[[{"id": 1, "content": "What caused the surge of incarceration in America beginning in the 90s and peaking in the 2000s?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBlacks have existed in America before the 90s."}, {"id": 4, "content": "war on drugs. you can see it starts rising in the 70s. the 80s were the decade of coke."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\ndemocrats passed anti-gang legislation because they were ignoring gangs because that's racist and everybody knew it, they made it a federal offense to be in a gang and so... blacks"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSo?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nImpossible"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMexicans."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll these guys are just getting out now"}, {"id": 10, "content": "longer sentences for drug crimes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews started pushing crack and gangster rap to negros. This created a new more criminal culture than the previous one -- which was still very criminal."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA massive crime wave started in the 1960s and raged until the early 1990s when a general consensus among politicians was that there needed to be tougher sentencing on criminal. It worked. Crime rates fell across the board for the next 20 years."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery once in a while some guy remembers mass incarceration was a thing than revives it. Diff between that and say the 1800s and the pre mid 20th century is just a matter of scale."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>It worked.\nIt didn't anon. Rates were dropping prior to mass incarceration bit now with prisons being filled up led to costs skyrocketing and many prisons being outsourced or severely underfunded."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n> A massive crime wave started in the 1960s\nWhy"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\n>anti-gang legislation because they were ignoring gangs because that's racist\nLol shut up they never cared about being racist."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNorthern Democrats have been nigger kissing libtards since the 70's, Northern democrat political machines are based on political patronage and have been for 200 years, that is, behaving like a mob that \"pays off\" voters. That's why democrats to this day do everything in their power to ignore black crime, because they're their voters"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nAll crime waves are linked to gang activity. Blacks flooded the inner cities and all the women went on welfare, the jobs all left so what do al the black men do? Blacks don't actually create jobs so they prey on each other, selling heroin and crack and killing each other for the right to do that"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Northern Democrats have been nigger kissing libtards since the 70's\nNot really. They have thrown many grouos including blacks under the bus for years.\n\n>That's why democrats to this day do everything in their power to ignore black crime, because they're their voters\nCompletely false because some if the hardest crackdowns or promises on being tough on crime cane from Democrats too. Democrats also have kneecapped welfare just like they republican counterparts too."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI honestly think a lot of posters here are just foreigners doing shitty takes on Anerican politics and history lol. Either that or too young lol."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nEveryone knows welfare only really benefits brown people, it's obvious.once you realize that and realize how even subconsciously people acknowledge this you can understand why at one point the Democrat party tried to appeal to white people by claiming they wanted lower the benefits. It's all politics, most people arent aware that democrat literally pay brown people to vote for them and consciously do so"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Everyone knows welfare only really benefits brown people\nA fuckton of whites are on it snd other forms of social assistance. Stop getting your info from shotholes.\n\n>It's all politics, most people arent aware that democrat literally pay brown people to vote for them and consciously do so.\nThere us literally nothing stopping other parties to try to entice other voters. Democrats don't have magic powers."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nWhites went from 97% of welfare beneficiaries to now well below 50%, I wouldn't doubt if it was below 40%. If this is okay to you you're a disingenuous nigger"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\nleaded gasoline"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWhy do you believe that?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nhe's retarded pay him no mind"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\nReally gets the noggin joggin"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe War on Drugs. The United States government began to use incarceration as a means of policing and controlling communities that were perceived to be involved in or affected by the illegal drug trade."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nLead was also in a lot of paint and schools."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njoggers"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\n>Whites went from 97% of welfare beneficiaries to now well below 50%,\nBecause other non-whites could now access it since historically they could not and had to rely on charities as whites in most areas gained access to state/fed assistance. The flat number on welfare is still high and that's not counting the people who only earn just enough to be ineligible OR those who keep fluctuating around the line."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>3\nhory sheet"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt began in the 70s actually. Legislators and prosecutors started taking discretion in sentencing away from judges. Then judges realized they were allowed to impose the maximum sentence possible if a defendant simply chose to go to trial and not plead guilty.\n>>12\nIt didn't. Crime rates in the US fell roughly in the same proportion they did in other countries at the same time."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\nNot entirely clear, but leaded gasoline and a high population of young people and unwanted kids were probably factors"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPolice worshipping.\nSucking the thin blue cock."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Clinton cringe Bill"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmericans have an almost sexual obsession with police and incarceration. Americans are a hypocritical nation of golems who try to claim they’re the center of the “free world” yet are also the prison capital of the world. Americans push for stronger policing, longer sentences, and strict legalism. Americans cheer on overzealous prosecutors. Americans write out disturbingly-detailed fantasies of how they hope criminals are raped by black men in prison, likely due to their mass sexual attraction to black men.\n\nAmerica is a nation of slaves with a sexual fetish for authority and blacks."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThe good news is that there's been a bit of a backlash against this in the scholarly/legal world and general public. People are realizing how unusual and overzealous practices like mandatory minimums, cash bail, and three strikes laws are."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nThe glory of trial and error"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nA good portion of the country is still pushing back at any attempt at reform, Florida for example is pushing to make the death penalty not bound by a unanimous jury decision."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n>niggers get thrown in prison, rightfully\n>THIS IS A SEX THING\nlay off the soi lattes"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCheap prison labour to outsource jobs."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nYou don't get it, do you?\n\nBy how dumb you are, you are probably american."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>duuuuh nigger dick\n>sir I would just like criminals to be put in prison\n>NIGGER DICK NIGGER DICK NIGGER DICK\npost hands"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nJeez I'm pretty sure that's how a particularly famous wrongful near-execution happened"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>3\nSource?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nUhh anon..."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's one big factor and a bunch of minor contributing factors.\n\nThe big factor hands down is the 1994 Clinton crime bill and mandatory minimum sentencing. That is one of the worst fucking pieces of legislation ever to pass the President's desk.\n\nOther contributing factors include Nixon's War on Drugs that preceded the crime bill, RICO and the government crackdown on organized crime and gangs, the prevalence of lead poisoning especially in urban areas stemming from the use of leaded gasoline which led to a measurable uptick in violence, and the overall culture of the judicial system and backlog and insufficient resources for criminal defense, which all incentivize the prosecution to throw the book at you for every little offense, and most (poor and melanin-enriched) defendants to just take a plea deal and go to jail regardless of guilt."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nHe's not wrong. A lot of Americans have a closet fetish fir prison rape"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>insufficient resources for criminal defense, which all incentivize the prosecution to throw the book at you for every little offense\nI think one jurisdiction in Alaska or something tried cracking down on coerced plea bargains and instead of the court system collapsing prosecutors just picked the most important cases to prioritize and police knew they had to be thorough and by-the-book when gathering evidence."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>15\nBoomers coming of age, the sexual revolution, new left terrorism, expanded access to drugs.\n\nYou know what I think lead to a drop of crime after the 90s? Video games. Kids weren't wandering the street with nothing to do after school and the weekends, they were in their rooms playing Xbox with friends."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\n> Clinton crime bill\nQuick rundown on this"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>You know what I think lead to a drop of crime after the 90s?\nProsecuting gangbangers as felons and throwing them away for 20 years?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>Democrat mayors ignore organized black crime because they don't want to seem racist\n>everybody leaves the cities\n>cities become such an embarrassment by the 90's that all republicans have to do is point at the cities to win elections\n>democrats super pissed that they have to actually do something\n>introduce bill to crack down on black crime\n>crime falls precipitously, blacks are super pissed forever"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>15\nWhite people started moving out of the cities to suburbs taking all the jobs and wealth with them. The blacks who remained started getting involved with gangs and drug trafficking as it was the only way to make money in the inner cities. Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were scared of black people and they’re voting power so they started making drug dealing a serious crime to go after black people."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nDumbass, middle class blacks voted on it. Issue was that it turned on them. Stop leaving out key pieces of info and lying a lot."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>>Democrat mayors ignore organized black crime\nSo now they are organized crime?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>53\nHired like 100k+ police officers, expanded the potential application of the federal death penalty, cracked down on some kinds of firearms and gang offenses. IIRC it also expanded the federal prison system and funded the expansion of state prison systems. It also incentivized three-strikes laws and mandatory longer periods of no parole, euphemistically called \"truth in sentencing.\"\nhttps://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-10824/uslm/COMPS-10824.xml"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThat and being heavily reliant on plea bargaining"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe limp-dicked farce of a Law enforcement campaign we hyperbolically call the \"War on Drugs.\" It should've been literal, but our \"government\" preemptively handicapped itself with a little thing called the 21st amendment."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nIt failed so badly. It wasn't really made to have an \"end\" because fundamentally Americans just love getting inebriated on something and have the size and clout to be a huge market that sucks everything in."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Americans just love getting inebriated on something\nIndeed. Just look at our founders..."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>57\n>like 5 blacks agreed that crime is bad so haha!\ndo niggers think this is intelligent"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nYou are so stupid. Get the fuck out brownie"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nTell me how you think some niggers thinking crime is bad is somehow a monumental achievement for the race"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nCry about it"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurely socioeconomic factors"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nI'll spell it out for you because your thirdie education system totally neglects literacy.\n\n>Issue was that it turned on them\nIt also turned on whites because polcie started becoming more abusive towards them too and engaged in over-policing."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>Muh police brutality\nDoesn't exist. Also that doesn't follow logically, you might be mentally ill"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>doesn't exist\nTake your meds"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoomers no question. There sociopathic lust for money and to watch others suffer."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>>Muh police brutality\n>Doesn't exist.\nPeople day that then act surprised when some twitch cop beats the living snot out if a guy on camera lol."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nYeah that doesn't happen in reality, have you tried staying off of black victimhood twitter"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>12\n>>15\nIt didn't. It returned back to normal.\n>>24\n>>34\nHow did the ban of leaded gasoline cause a massive surge in incarceration rates?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nStay off boomerbook"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nFacebook is another nigger conspiracy theory enclave jamal"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nOkay boomer"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>48\nthey also modified Federal parole so one had to serve at least 75% of their sentence"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>15\nHeroin, then crack."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>56\n>blacks do criminal things\n>go to jail\n>\"this is white peoples fault\""}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>70\nCops in New Mexico literally fucking murdered an innocent man in his own home last night because they broke into the wrong home and saw he was armed you stupid fucking faggot bootlicker\n\nI don’t know why anyone sucks cop dick when they’re the ones enforcing unjust laws and snatching your guns"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">this thread and internet discourse in general\n>Increasingly obvious America will have to go through a phase of retarded bleeding heart YIMBYs again until their unleashed pets kill enough innocent people to create a new backlash\nGreaaaaaaat. Maybe we'll get a new wave of seedy crime thriller kinos out of it at least."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nShut up brat. Your shit takes aren't any good."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nNIMBYism is what destabilizes societies."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>YIMBYs\nSo denser affordable housing is bad?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>15\nWelfare reform allowed single moms to live off daddy government instead of keeping the real dads around. Fatherless children = more crime. Very simple really, there shouldn't be such a debate about it but here we are."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>82\nWhich alphabet agency is in charge of making sure people don't take revenge on cops and criminals or their families?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>Fatherless children = more crime.\nWhy do you believe that?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nnignogs need really strong parenting to not be complete losers"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nDilate"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>87\n>Welfare reform allowed single moms to live off daddy government instead of keeping the real dads around.\nYou say that yet policing before during and after welfare targetted Black men such as arbitrary detention. Even with dads, families would still be EXACTLY as poor as they were sans dad and still suffer form poverty. You can't even say \"welfare reform\" because prior to Blacks beingm able to access welfare they were pretty much barred from welfare that most whites could access and had to rely on charities or Northern organizations."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Clinton Administration"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRap music"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nNiggers weren't allowed to get welfare because they were almost always getting money through some side hustle or had some lazy unemployed nigger boyfriend pumping them full of seed\n\nWelfare reform was about removing these restrictions"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nI presume you have evidence?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>54\n>Prosecuting gangbangers as felons and throwing them away for 20 years?\nOr at least until Obama was president and 1960s level of cupcake justice came back."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nState and federal justice systems aren't as harsh as they were 40 years ago but they still are stricter than they were in the 50s to early 70s period. Mandatory minimums, three strikes laws, coerced plea bargains, and disproportionately long sentences are still common practice."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>89\n>>92\nThe more opportunities a child has to interact with his or her biological father, the less likely he or she is to commit a crime or have contact with the juvenile justice system (Coley and Medeiros, 2007). In a study of female inmates, more than half came from a father-absent home (Snell, Tracy, & Morton, 1991). Youths who never had a father living with them have the highest incarceration rates (Hill, O’Neill, 1993), while youths in father-only households display no difference in the rate of incarceration from that of children coming from two-parent households (Harper and McLanahan, 2004). In addition, children who come from father-absent homes are at a greater risk for using illicit substances at a younger age (Bronte-Tinkew, Jacinta, Moore, Capps, & Zaff, 2004). The absence of a father in a child’s life may also increase the odds of his or her associating with delinquent peers (Steinberg, 1987)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Name a bigger fall from grace."}, {"id": 2, "content": "You mean bigger rise from irrelevance. Proto-Celtics were some Alpine warriors who raped the shit out of England, France, Netherlands, Belgium, and Iberia. Modern Celtic speakers in the British Isles are 2% Celtic despite speaking the language of their masters."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Proto-Celtics were some Alpine warriors\n\nnah\n\nproto-celtic coalesced around the Atlantic coast about a thousand years before most academics assume (bronze age not iron age) and gradually spread eastwards across the continent (very fat east eventually)\n\nthis is why their modern successors exist where they do, it's basically their urheimat"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThere is no early bronze age migration from the atlantic coast into central europe"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">proto-celtic coalesced around the Atlantic coast\nRetard.\n>about a thousand years before most academics assume\nRetard.\n>this is why their modern successors exist\nBecause those Atlantic cuckolds got raped by Alpine Celtics then completely raped by Germanics. Now L21 is 1% in the English despite them being the same as the Welsh genetically."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRussia 1991-present"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>despite speaking the language of their masters.\nWhat happened in practice was probably that the Proto-Celts raped their immediate neighbours, who were then, say, half-Celtic, who then raped their neighbours, and so on until you're down to almost indetectable levels of admixture from the Proto-Celts, but the Modern Celts would still be relatively heavy rapebabies of whoever was their immediate neighbour back then. It just doesn't really matter.\n>>3\nThis never happened and there is no evidence for it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>raped\nbritish islands, netherlands, iberian and belgian uniparentals are almost homogeneously bell beaker\nwere celts female warriors? because as far as i know when you rape someone you leave them your ydna kek. celtic incels literally traded their women and they got cucked so hard that the children started speaking their mothers language"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nActually, kinda. Celtic women were at least girlbosses it seems and all accounts are unanimous in Celts being immensely homosexual, so it is conceivable that they may have had exceptionally low Y-DNA impact despite conquering pretty hard."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\nI can't even enjoy internet race wars on this fucking board. I have no clue what any of you fuckers are saying."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Celt = \"I guess these non-Romans are sort of similar\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nCeltic language family and cultural continuity is a matter of fact, don't ask for a coherent genetic profile though, probably the only ethnicity where \"it's a language not a race\" is entirely true and not a meme"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNone of the Insular Celts on Britain are genetically similar to one another. They're as similar to the Anglo-Saxons as they are to their \"fellow Celts\". Celtic \"ethnicity\" is a giant meme perpetuated by limited Roman historiography on them as a people. Celtic languages being propagated across different groups is strange but not exactly unheard of, just look at Latin languages spoken by various different groups across Europe."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>None of the Insular Celts on Britain are genetically similar to one another.\nWhat kind of absurd claim is this? They're similar to each other, but not to continental Gauls.\n>just look at Latin languages spoken by various different groups across Europe.\nAre you denying the existence of the Roman Empire? Is assuming it existed a result of limited barbarian historiography?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nI can get a basic grasp of this race autism. Haplo autists make my brain hurt"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nNot really. Irish are mostly Irish Bell Beaker with a bit of Germanic admixture, yet the language and culture of their Celtic masters live on."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThis has no relevance to my post"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt does because the Irish aren't 50% Britonic and 50% native like that scenario. They're 0% Celtic genetically."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe downfall of the Greek world. From the pinnacle of the Parthenon to the destruction of Troy. From the age of Achilles to the reign of Alcibiades..."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNineveh"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n\"Britons\" isn't necessarily a single group here, it can easily be one tribe to another tribe without being a single macro-ethnicity, and would certainly go through Picts too."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\nwrong\n>>13\nthis anon is right, celtic culture spread with a minority not through conquest"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\npicts were brittonic celts"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\ncelt=speaker of a celtic language, follower of celtic religion, and elements of shared culture\nthere was no singular celtic culture\nbut multiple celtic cultures"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nA minority that didn't conquer? Do you suppose Celts were Europe's version of Jews?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nno as in people traded with celts and adopted their culture\nthat and some celts migrated into the region and others in the region adopted the cutlure from them\ncelts spread due to their at the time revolutionary ideas\nthey invented things such as the iron plough, the horseshoe, they were the first people to embrace iron working and also steel, they invented chainmail, their military technologies were adopted by the romans and greeks\nthey downfall came due to a total lack of unity among the celtic people and celtic cultures as a whole"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>people traded with celts and adopted their culture\nStopped reading there, come back when you studied the subject"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI have, thoroughly for about 2 years now\nwhile yes celts fought battles and invaded terretories a lot of their expansion was through peaceful/semi-peaceful means\n\nim sorry if this disagrees with the idea people love of of 'heckin epic' naked blue barbarian warrior hoards howling at the moon sacrificing people in giant wickermen"}, {"id": 29, "content": "The Celts didn't spread as an iron age people to the west\n\nThey pretty much already existed in Western Europe by the time hallstat and la tène culture diffused, probably some time during the bronze age and were basically just reflexive migrations of bell beakers"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nNever once in the entirety of mankind's existence did a free nation voluntarily adopt the language of another nation without occupation and colonisation. This is a leftist fantasy that has never once occurred in history or prehistory."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\n>>25\n>>22\nGauls contributed half of the autosomal dna in britons. Specially those from England and Wales\n\n>who arrived at this time and over previous centuries, and who were genetically most similar to ancient individuals from France. >These migrants contributed about half the ancestry of people of England and Wales from the Iron Age, thereby creating a plausible vector for the spread of early Celtic languages into Britain.\n\nBut only 10%-15% of the YDNA.\nIt means celtic languages in britain are the result of a migration of celts that would eventually getting conquered and raped by the Britons. With the rapebabies adopting the language of the women that raised their children"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\ni see you point but...\nThe ruling elite would have likely been celts or adopted celtic culture and we're probably looking at changes over decades if not centuries, these cultures would have been celticisied over a period of time not over night\nand i do agree that it is fantasy to assume that this was all sunshine and roses, huggy and lovey dovey as the celtic culture still replaced and earlier one and would have likley put down any resistance if it appeared\nmy point was, that i may have oversimplified desu, is that they didnt conquer in the traditional sense like the romans\nthe most comman one was probably through migration where they set off, picked up people along the way and converted the people in the destination to celtic culture\ngenetic evidence shows the vast majority of people in celtic northern italy are the same as those before"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>that would eventually getting conquered and raped by the Britons. With the rapebabies adopting the language of the women that raised their children\nNot strictly necessary, Y-DNA underachievement is consistent with Celtic culture as described here >>9, even if odd."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nI would still call that conquest, just in the form taken by a somewhat-mobile tribal culture. Germanics and Slavs worked the same way, but better."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>celts that would eventually getting conquered and raped by the Britons\ndo you mean saxons or pre-celtic britons as britons (brittonic peoples) themselves were celts?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nIts weird because elite burials in iron and bronze age britain still R1b-L21. Also considered the Celtic social patterns (ckan based societies with division based on clans) the celtic ydna should be widespread while actually is rather low.\nIta a more plausible scenario that celts spread through cultural difusion and migration without discarding that the later would end with the conquest of the Celtic migrants and the assimilation of their culture."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThere is a curious thing and is that insular celtic languages are the most divergent branch. For some reason gaulish(the branch that would precede britonnic assumed this migration) is more similar to noric (southeastern celtic from austria) than it is to brittonic. While temporarily speaking the divergence time from noric should be more higher than from brittonic for gaulish.\nI wonder to which extent is goidelic and brittonic a creolle or of it actually diffused before"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>I wonder to which extent is goidelic and brittonic a creolle or of it actually diffused before\nyou mention that the sentance structure differs in insular languages and i know irish contains some words have and etymology not found in other celtic languages and im sure the same could be said for the other insular languages also\ni find the whole p vs q, insular vs continental divisions quite interesting"}, {"id": 39, "content": "If you've never read Asterix & Obelix you have no say or opinion about the continental Celts, at all."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>(the branch that would precede britonnic assumed this migration)\nGaulish would have presumably mutated as such after the invasion of Britain already took place, Proto-Celtic/Common Celtic did not immediately dissolve upon formation, and the continental languages would be more similar to each other due to continuity while Britain is cut off by sea."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nbritain isnt exactly cut off though,\nthe armorican people of north west gaul had large ships and their was constant cross channel traid\narchaeologists in france excavating a gaulish (armorican) settlement in brittany found roundhouses alongside the normal square gaulish houses, which suggests an insular prescence\ni cant remeber the exact findings but iirc the roundhouses were in a seperate 'district' to the normal square ones, howere im not 100% sure\nthey did find brittonic dna from some of the skeletons but im afraid i dont remeber any more specific details"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nbut even then britonnic should resemble gaulish more than noric does, given the divergence dates. yet gaulish resemble more other continental languages than it resembles brittonic"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSPQR"}, {"id": 44, "content": "How could a people who never existed fall from grace?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>3\n>proto-celtic coalesced around the Atlantic coast about a thousand years before most academics assume (bronze age not iron age) and gradually spread eastwards across the continent (very fat east eventually)\n>this is why their modern successors exist where they do, it's basically their urheimat\nThis is what celtaboos actually believe\nComplete and utter delusion"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy has northern scotland been left out, the caledonians and later picts were brittonic celts?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nPicts were goths"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>4\nActually there is, the R1b clades in the Rhineland are downstream from a Beaker find on the coast of France."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nwe wuz bullshit."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nno they weren't, the picts were brittonic celts the closet living language is welsh, they followed celtic customs and relgion\n\npicts have been subject to a lot of historical revisionism, as people try to use them for their political aims\n>Picts were goths\nthis idea was favoured and spread by the lowland scots who culturally descend from the saxons, they thought the picts being of germanic extraction gave legitimacy to their dominance of scotland, 'it was once ruled by germanics and it is so again'\n\n>picts were non-indoeuropean\nused by pro scottish independence supporters in the past to claim that the picts were so alien, so different, special and different that scotland has always been seperate from everything and should be again\n\n>picts were gaelic\nused by scotish nationalists who dont like the idea that the picts are culturally and linguisticly extinct, now that all scottish people fully embrace highland scottish culture as their own (despite the fact the lowland scots saw it as disgusting and primitive), they dont like the idea of highland scottish culture coming over one day from ireland and they certainly ignore the saxon origins of the lowland scottish culture\nthey believe that the picts spoke a Q insular celtic language like irish or scottish gaelic and are the true cultural ancestors to the modern scot\n\n>picts were blue naked barbarian hoards who zergrushed their enemies\npure fiction"}, {"id": 51, "content": "The Picts were Gaelic\nDalriata was a Pictish fief\nYou lost incel"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>The Picts were Gaelic\nhow come pictish is a brittonic language"}, {"id": 53, "content": "Evidence for Picts disappearing\nLatin usage stopped using the term Pict while vernacular people continued to refer to the people as Albannach, despite the fact this is inadvertently evidence against them not being Gaelic\nA book written 150 years after Kenneth MacAlpin claims he wiped out every single Pict and coincidentally the writer was also racist to the people in Scotland because they practiced different Christian customs\nSome placenames in Scotland are supposedly non-Gaelic and all the Gaelic names outside Argyll would have been rapidly introduced after MacAlpin\n\nEvidence for it being Gaelic\nEvery inscription in Scotland that is fully understood is in Gaelic or Latin\nMany Pictish names can only be from Gaelic\nOne chronicle records the Pictish kingdom totally destroyed Dalriata\nFor at least two generations after MacAlpin the Pictish law of succession is still in place\nThere no archaeological evidence for a genocide that would have had to been greater than that of the Anglo-Saxons\nThere are Gaelic inscriptions in Shetland\nWelsh books occasionally call the Picts Gaels and the Pictish origin myth implies they spoke Gaelic and did not speak a language like Welsh\nThe best Irish chronicles do not record any conquest done by MacAlpin\nKing Ciric of Pictland was recorded to have seperated the Pictish church from the Dalriadan 40 years after MacAlpine\nAn army that fought a Norwegian raider was described as Pictish after MacAlpin\nThe evidence that records a supposed Dalriadan conquest is so late that it is almost worthless"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>non-Indo-European\nFirst suggested by a Welshman\n>>50\n>goths\nFirst suggested by an Orcadian who still identified with Norway"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nplease explain the brittonic place names in formally pictish areas, please explain the brittonic resembling pictish loan words is scottish gealic\nplease explain why scottish academics consider it brittoni\nand the welsh was prydyn coming from pretani meaning british\nthe irish word for pict was cruithni coming from qritani which orginates from the same sources as above"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>the brittonic place names in formally pictish areas\nPlease list ones you want me to explain\n>, please explain the brittonic resembling pictish loan words is scottish gealic\nAbove\n>please explain why scottish academics consider it brittoni\nBecause some 19th century linguists decided it\nIn the 60s-90s people considered pictish to Basque\nModern scholars easily change\nAnd we'll done ignoring all other points"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>Orcadian larping as norse\namazing. But also, Oh yeah I forgot those islands were settler colonized by the norse."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>49\n>>50\n>>55\n>>56\npicts were goths\n>And that these few Welsh names in Scotland are most easily accounted for because they are either very ancient as those of rivers and mountains especially and perhaps of some towns and in that case remains of the old Celtic inhabitants or less ancient as some of towns and villages which arose from churches founded by Welsh clergymen Having thus it is hoped satisfactorily answered the whole arguments if they deserve that name for the Piks being Welsh I shall give the reader an abstract of invincible authorities and facts shewing that they were not Welsh and then leaving this controversy proceed to detail the real origin of the Piks 1 Tacitus says that the Caledonians or Piks were of Germany as he judged from their red hair and other marks that they were Germans The Scandinavians ever have been and are remarkable for red hair as are the other Germans The Welsh and Irish are a black haired race These marks in the days of Tacitus were as decisive as that the African blacks have curled hair the Indian lank hair 2 Eumenius tells that in the time of Julius Cæsar the Piks were the accustomed enemies of the Britons Could the Britons or Welsh be the accustomed enemies of themselves 3 Ammianus Marcellinus mentions the Piks along with the Saxons and other foreign nations who in fested the Britons 4 Gildas says the Piks came ab aquilone from the north to infest the Britons and always speaks of them as quite a different people Had they been really of his own Welsh countrymen what food for declamations had their cruelty to their own brethren been 5 Adomnan who about 690 wrote the Life of Columba the apostle of the Piks mentions that he had an interpreter between him and that people Columba was an Irishman so that the Piks could not be Gael and even from this they would seem not Cumri for we find Patrick a Cumraig preached to the Irish without an interpreter as may be seen in"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>interpreter is mentioned 6 Beda a writer eminently learned and superior to his age tells us the Piks came from Scythia as the Britons from Gaul and the Old Scots from Ireland Jornandes and most writers of the dark ages call Scandinavia Scythia and they thought the most ancient Scythians came from it Beda also says there were in his time five languages in Britain Latin English Pikish Scotish British 7 Nennius and Samuel who both lived and wrote in conjunction in 858 tell that the Piks came from the Orkneys about 300 years before Christ These writers were both Welsh and their testimony is conclusive that the Piks were not Welsh for they speak of the Piks while the Pikish name was in full power and mention the Piks as a people spreading in their own time from Galloway to the Orkneys 8 The Saxon Chronicle and whole writers of England and Wales and Scotland and Ireland preceding Camden amounting to perhaps a hundred of all ages who mention the Piks uniformly derive them from Scandinavia and the Orkneys 9 Giraldus Cambrensis positively calls the Piks gentem Gothicam a Gothic nation Even Geofrey of Monmouth says expressly that the Piks came from Scythia to the north of Britain and so downward And he ever describes them as quite a different people from the Welsh for which reason and as he founded a new school in English history he is quoted For though a fabulist he could not be ignorant if the Piks were Welsh or not as they existed in his time under their old name as appears from English writers of the War of the Standard 10 The Piks are uniformly mentioned by all ancient writers who speak of them though without telling their origin as a distinct peculiar people neitherWelsh nor Irish nor Gaelic but as different from either as English from Welsh"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>11 The monuments of the Piks the Piks houses & c can neither be found in Wales nor Ireland though in the Orkneys many exist and some in Scandinavia 12 Nennius and Samuel avouch the Piks to have held their usual territory in 858 The Irish Annals of Tighernac and Ulster mention Kenneth and his successors down to Donal II 894 as kings of the Piks Ailred Richard of Hexham and other contemporary writers assert that at the War of the Standard 1138 the Piks claimed the first place in the Scotish army as their ancient right Now the west being given to the Irish the Piks were latterly inhabitants of the north east and south of Scotland as all know the people of which to this day are quite a distinct race from the Highlanders of the west And the language of these parts was always Gothic as innumerable names of places remain to shew and as it is at this day More arguments might be adduced but these are sufficient as they admit of no answer save by rejecting all ancient authorities and facts that is building romance on the ruins of history For he who denies ancient authorities and prefers his own conjectures is a fabulist and not a historian It also deserves remark that of modern authors those confessedly the most eminent for learning have always asserted the Piks to have come from Scandinavia."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\n>and the welsh was prydyn coming from pretani meaning british\n>the irish word for pict was cruithni coming from qritani which orginates from the same sources as above\ninteresting you ignore the above\n\n>the brittonic place names in formally pictish areas\ncaer meaning fort/stronghold - Cardean, Carey, Cargill, Carmurie, Carpow, Carpoway, Crail, Kair, Keir, Kercock, Kirkbuddo, Kirkcaldy, Caerlaverock\npen meaning hill/top/head/cheif - Pandewen, Pennan, Pinderachy, Pinnel\ndol meaning field - Dalfouper, Dallas, Dallasbraughty, Doll, Dollar, Dull\nmign meaning swamp - Dalmigavie, Meckphen, Meigle, Megen, Megevie, Meggen, Meggernie, Midmar, Midstrath, Migdale, Migger, Migvie, Strathmiglo\ncoed meaning forrest/wood - Catochil, Inchkeith, Keith, Keith Lundie, Keithack, Keithick, Keithmore, Keithny, Keithney, Keithock, Kitattie, Rothket\ntref meaning settlement - Cantray, Cantress, Menstrie, Montrave, Rattray, Tramaud, Trefor, Trefynie, Trostrie, Troustrie\nbryn meaning hill - Burnbane, Burnturk, Newburn, Strathburn\npant meaning hollow - Panbride, Panholes, Panlathy, Panmure, Pannanich\nllannerch meaning clearing - Landrick, Lanrick, Lendrick\n\nAberdeen means mouth of the River Don - Welsh aber\nCupar means confluence - Welsh cymer\nKirkcald means place of the hard fort from caer - fort and caled - hard\nPerth means wood/grove - Welsh perth\nYell means unfruitful land - Welsh iâl\nCaledonia - hard - Welsh Caled\n\n>please explain the brittonic resembling pictish loan words is scottish gealic\npreas - bush/thicket - Welsh prys\nbad - cluster - Breton bod\npailt - plentiful - Cornish pals and Welsh pallt\nbagaid - cluster/troop - Welsh bagad\ndail - meadow - Welsh dôl\nmonadh - mountain, moor - Welsh mynydd\nmormaer - earl - Welsh mawr + maer\npeasg - gash - Welsh pisg\npeit - small area of ground - Welsh peth)\npòr - crops - Welsh pawr"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>interesting you ignore the above\nWhat is it meant to prove?\n>caer\nGaelic cathair pronounce ca-ir\n>penn\nEvery one is used differently so they aren't the same word and the places they are used, like the majority of these words, would have been lost if Dalriadans conquered Pictland\nBut for pinnan this is pretty clearly the Gaelic Binnean meaning \"peak\" or just curved hill\n>dol\nThis is a Gaelic word too so the point is null\n>mign\nNone of them actually record this and most make no sense at all given the places they are in\n>tref\nGaelic treabh is the same\n>Pan\nThere are many things these could be and none of them could be \"hollow\"\n>aber\nNothing about this prohibits it being Gaelic and there is an example of it on the west coast of Scotland\nThere is no chance it could survive there from a pre-Gaelic or norse settlement\nThe rest are just inane and not worth anything\n\nThe question is how could any of these survive a genocidal conquest which would have had to have resulted in entire counties being cleared of people districts?\nThis question cannot be answered.\nFor the last list after seeing mormhair used as an example I can see it would be fruitless to criticise it."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nSo my turn.\nYou explain this\nEvery inscription in Scotland that is fully understood is in Gaelic or Latin\nMany Pictish names can only be from Gaelic\nOne chronicle records the Pictish kingdom totally destroyed Dalriata and annexed it into Pictland\nFor at least two generations after MacAlpin the Pictish law of succession is still in place\nThere no archaeological evidence for a genocide that would have had to been greater than that of the Anglo-Saxons\nThere are Gaelic inscriptions in Shetland\nWelsh books occasionally call the Picts Gaels and the Pictish origin myth implies they spoke Gaelic and did not speak a language like Welsh\nThe best Irish chronicles do not record any conquest done by MacAlpin\nKing Ciric of Pictland was recorded to have seperated the Pictish church from the Dalriadan 40 years after MacAlpine\nAn army that fought a Norwegian raider was described as Pictish after MacAlpin\nThe evidence that records a supposed Dalriadan conquest is so late that it is almost worthless\nEven cymric supporters suppose that Kenneth had a Pictish mother which would make him a Pict"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nalso lets look at some pictish personal names\nCiniod - containd iod which is brittonnic meaning lord - Welsh udd\nMailcon - Noble dog - Welsh Maelgwn\nResad - related to Welsh Rhys and Gaulish Ressatus\n\n>The question is how could any of these survive a genocidal conquest which would have had to have resulted in entire counties being cleared of people districts?\n>This question cannot be answered.\n\nThe Picts werent genocided they were assimilated\n\n>how could any of these survive a genocidal conquest which would have had to have resulted in entire counties being cleared of people districts?\nhow many rivers in england are still called avon long after the romans and the saxons conquered\nhow many countles place names engaland have a birttonic origin\n\n>>62\n>>63\nBoth of you are ignoring the work of academics because it doesnt fit your own idea, let me know when your ideas get accepted by anyone of note"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nno one cares man"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>Mailcon - Noble dog - Welsh Maelgwn\nThat's Gaelic as well\nMal and con are both attested in Gaelic\n>ciniod\nFrom cin and aedh it means \"rising flame\"\nIdk about resad\n>The Picts werent genocided they were assimilated\nNot according to all medieval records which made this idea\nYou can't pick and choose like that\n>>64\n>rivers\nThese are notorious across the world for keeping their names\nSmall towns full of people that must have been killed aren't\n>the work of academics\nall of my knowledge is from academics\nAll of yours is copy and pasted from Wikipedia"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n\"please explain the brittonic place names in\""}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>48\n>R1b clades in the Rhineland are downstream from a Beaker find on the coast of France.\nno they aren't, r1b clades of rhineland are downstream from a corded ware guy from central europe and after that found in neolithic period sweden, then in bell beaker netherlands"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>>48\nbtw neolithic as in dagger period/CWC, not \"\"neolithic\"\" as in farmer"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\n>>66\n>>65\n>>64\n>>63\n>>62\n>>61\n>It has been amply shewn that the Piks were a Gothic people and the inhabitants of all present Scotland and its isles The Gaël or Celts in Scotland do not now exceed one quarter of the people The Lowlanders of Scotland amount to two thirds of its inhabitants Of the other third being Highlanders and people of the Isles a great part consists of Goths though now using the Celtic tongue For the Old Scots who came into Argyle in 503 were from the north of Ireland and were mixt with Crutheni or Piks inhabitants of these parts though the tongue had been lost in the surrounding Celtic In the Hebudes and in Argyle and the north of Scotland the Norwegians were lords for four centuries from the ninth and they in like manner lost their speech among the more numerous Celts When these parts returned to the Scotish crown the inhabitants remained as before The chief families in the Highlands are all of Norwegian extract The Celtic Mac is nothing it is the name itself we must judge from Thus the Mac Leods are so called from Liod Earl of Orkney: the Mac Sweyns Mac Neils with a score of others all bear the Mac with a Norwegian name Even when the second name is Celtic it was often taken by a Norwegian to gratify his subjects or bestowed by a Highland bard as the Mac Donalds are known to be direct male descendants of Reginald Earl of Orkney These Highland bards it is well known will alter a plain Gothic name to a Celtic one in a moment and are very ready in aspersing people with this honour A part of the Isles still speaks the Gothic tongue namely the whole Orkney and Shetland Isles The other parts speak Gaëlic but of them a great part are Goths though their speech be lost in that of the most numerous people"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nyou've been posting this shit for years and no one believes you or cares you're a figure of ridicule and known boardwide as a meme get a life you freak"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nokay so you can't actual rebuke anything i've posted\ni accept your concession\nand also stop pretending anyone but you cares about this\nyou're obsessed\nyou need help"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfrica if you genuinely belive Afrocentrist view of history (despite the fact modern middle class africans have better living standard then the richest pre-colonial king)"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>45\nNo, that is what retarded larpers with 0% Celtic ancestry actually believe. Now we know the Irish are 0% Celtic genetically they only speak the language of invading Celts."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\n>they only speak the language of invading Celts.\nUh... anon..."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>48\nNo, they aren't, and in fact R1b-p312 diversity is highest around the Rhine. (Steppe) Bell Beaker begins archeologically around the Rhine. Steppe ancestry is highest radiating from the Rhine outward etc."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nNo, diversity for subclades of R1b-p312 are found in the Netherlands and British Isles, with more basal P312 itself being from France.\n>Bell Beaker begins at the Rhine\nno, it is clearly from a migration out of Germany and Poland from early Corded Ware who expanded in less than a hundred years across Western Europe replacing or ruling Megalithic peoples.\n>steppe ancestry is highest from the Rhine outward\nIts highest in North Eastern Germany and retained a level of purity in the British isles.\nCeltic culture is simply northern post beaker it didnt \"spread\"\nIt would be like saying American culture spread from Texas to California in 1950 because California began making cowboy films."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nSo Luxenburger steppe beakers -> belgium celts -> Irish celts ?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nThe Rhine is in the Netherlands and British Beakers are from the Rhine.\n>basal P312 itself being from France\nthis doesn't exist, post the sample id\n>no, it is clearly from a migration out of Germany and Poland from early Corded Ware who expanded in less than a hundred years across Western Europe replacing or ruling Megalithic peoples.\nBell Beaker typology develops out of Single Grave wares. Regardless, it's from the east, not the atlantic coast.\n>Its highest in North Eastern Germany and retained a level of purity in the British isles.\nThe highest Steppe samples in bell beaker contexts are Dutch Beakers."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>unknown\nwhat does this mean"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nI don't think Celts are directly from Beakers, but emerges much later from Bell Beaker descendant R-L2 people."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThe estimated effective migration surface of Ireland and Britain from 1803 Irish and British individuals. Shown are the posterior mean migration rates of the six independent EEMS chains\n\nThe low density is posterior migration, if I interpreted that correctly.\n\nso basically celts are iron age mutts or??\nThe blue is of the original megalithic culture."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>70\nCelticists absolutely obliterated"}, {"id": 84, "content": "What modern populations have the most Celtic ancestry?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Celtic thread\n>Retards saying yoooo they be megalith people from the Atlantic\n>Hablogrubs retards galore\n>Yoooo nigga, picts were goths and shit (even though goths didn't even fucking exist in 250bc) retards\n>\"The celts didn't even exist\" retards\n\nAhh, another day in /his/."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nCan you read you dumb fking nigger?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>81\nThey expanded out of the Alps to conquer the entire Bell Beaker network and enslaved them."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nSubhuman Germutt Anglos have a special interest in \"disproving\" anything good about the Celts. They love using Victorian schizo sources for their claims that they're actually Cimmerian Israelites rather than enslaved mongrels."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>R1b expansion\nFtfy. We literally control the world btw"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nR1b was already widespread.\nIn fact celts failed to expand much paternally. They only expanded arround the alps where they were already majority.\nA bit into balkans.... then southwards jnto iberia... a little bit into central france, in belgium its proxied maternally (belgium dominant ydna always was r1b-u106).. thats it. In britain and northern france celtic culture was proxied maternally as dominant ydna is r1b-l21 in spite of being half celtic autosomally"}, {"id": 91, "content": "Picts = Gaelic"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>3\nMental illness"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nA purely linguistic distinction. R1b has ruled the world for thousands of years."}, {"id": 94, "content": "*ahem*\n\nmaritime Bell Beakers\n\n>The earliest copper production in Ireland, identified at Ross Island in the period 2400–2200 BC, was associated with early Beaker pottery.[2][25] Here, the local sulpharsenide ores were smelted to produce the first copper axes used in Britain and Ireland.[2] The same technologies were used in the Tagus region and in the west and south of France.[2][26] The evidence is sufficient to support the suggestion that the initial spread of Maritime Bell Beakers along the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, using sea routes that had long been in operation, was directly associated with the quest for copper and other rare raw materials.[2]"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>85\n>>88\nthe irish seethe hard when they find out the group that they've been LARPing as for hundreds of years never existed and was invented in the 18th century"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\npicts=gothic\n>Tacitus the first writer who mentions the people of Caledonia or Piks expresses his opinion that they were of German origin Beda tells us they came from Scythia a name which Jornandes about 530 had given to Scandinavia and which continued to be applied to that country till the eleventh century when the special denominations of Denmark Sweden and Norway became known to all Europe All the other ancient writers who mention the origin of the Piks derive them from Scandinavia so that no doubt can remain save with such superficial writers as speak of opinions when they should speak of facts and prefer their own weak conceits to that positive evidence upon which alone all ancient history stands Indeed to judge from reason only it might readily be inferred that the Piks a people as all the ancients shew quite different from the old Scots or Irish and from the old Britons or Welsh as possessing North Britain could only originate from a country near to North Britain as Norway is And when reason and ancient authorities thus coalesce they constitute that highest degree of historical truth which even approaches to mathematical demonstration In Scandinavia therefore that large peninsular track including Norway Sweden and a part of Denmark we are to look for the Piks and while we find a people of the same name in the south of Norway the part next to Scotland the evidence becomes as complete as human history can afford"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>88\n>>95\nThe Irish are buck broken for having the culture and language of their Celtic masters, but the English are actual cuckolds who got their indigenous L21 lineages extinct and replaced by Germano-Celtic ones."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\n>Germano-Celtic\nR1b-u106 is Bell beaker/dagger period scandinavian.\nEnglish are 40% scandinavian, 20% bell beaker 40% gaulish according to the anglosaxon paper"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Greeks. Culturally, influentially, just in every way imaginable."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nEnglish aren't even 20% Scandinavian or Gaulish. They're descended from indigenous British Isles populations like the rest of the British isles. They're identical to the Welsh except for 2% Norwegian and of course lacking their original L21 after the hard rape they got from Romans, France, Germany and Norway."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n>>100\n>English aren't even 20% Scandinavian or Gaulish. They're descended from indigenous British Isles populations like the rest of the British isles\nLol no they arent. Red is scandinavian/dutch\nGreen is french iron age/gaul\nIf anything english being 40% Gaul autosomaly but less than 13% r1b-u152/df27 of the french subclades is gauls getting cucked\n\nRomans left 0 genetic inpact in britain\nSorry"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nThis is referring to U106 French rape of L21 English women. Actual Celts have 0% French ancestry according to that."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>31\nStudy?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\nStudy?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\n>U106 French\nFrench are not u106. U106 is a north sea germanic subclade found in dutch, Flemish, danes and norwegians. If anything again. It suggest r1b-u152 french gauls handed their women to U106 Men..\nBritish are autosomally less or at best 30% beaker"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nGaulish samples had U152, U106, and DF27. Modern French have U106 and they're the ones who raped the L21 out of England."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nNope. Not a single r1b-u106 was found west of the rhine (except on britain) before the iron age crossing of the rhine\n\nR1b-u106 represents less than 10% of modern french ydna\nSorry. It means french gaulish women were handed to u106 men from england."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nNope. Not a single r1b-u106 was found west of the rhine (except in France) before the iron age crossing of the rhine.\n\nAre you saying the Gaulish(France_IA) migration occurred after the Anglo-Saxons arrived?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>105\nThe French are Germanic, the Gaul LARP is a post WW2 thing."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nr1b-u106 was never found in france before the crossing of the rhine :((("}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nR1b-u106 was never found in Britain before the crossing of the rhine :(((\n\nIt was first brought by French and Germans, unless you're saying the Gaulish migration occurred after the German Anglo-Saxons arrived?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nnope, R1b-u106 is from bell beakers from the netherlands and scandinavian CWC :(((, it means is a beaker haplo so it can be carried by british beakers :("}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n>it means is a beaker haplo\nYes that's why Celts had it and 0 British samples had it prior to Celts conquering the British Isles."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>109\nFrench are mostly EEF like meds and unlike germanics."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nNah, they have the same amount of EEF as Germans.\n\nThe Frankish Empire people's are all the same"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>113\n>conquering\nAll Celtic admixture in the British isles or rather continental admixture prior to the Anglo-Saxons is maternal.\nEven after the Anglo Saxons R1b L21 JOMON dominates the male lines in the British isles.\nNot only did early Anglo Saxons outnumber Britons, they completely jobbed to them.\nThe Welsh themselves are 50% Anglo-Saxon and 95% L21, a result of taking too many women from the \"English\"."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\ncope"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n:'("}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\nNo, germans are mostly yamnaya while french are mostly eef"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nI'm gonna delete that fucking website if you retards keep misusing it.\n\nThe _ percentage is utterly meaningless. Your farher is only 50% related to you, doesn't mean you're another ethnicity."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\n>Your farher is only 50% related to you, doesn't mean you're another ethnicity.\nYes it does.\n\nAlso, ethnicity = culture, race = genes"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>unknown\n>conquer shitholes and deserts\n>make them into \"proper\" nations\n>change your mind, give them independence and then leave\nwtf britain"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>119\nFrench have 7% more EEF thaan germans\nBut 10% more yamnaya than the northernmost meds/africans"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>118\nVgh…land once dogger bank to Alaska"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>117\n>>unknown\nno, Welsh have 45-50% non-British DNA which comes from Continentals, it first appeared in the Iron Age during the migration era and increased over time as contact with the Saxons went on, however Welsh Y DNA has remained heavily R1b L21.\n\nrobust heavy bearded powerfully built muscular broad shouldered Silurae spread their WHG (hyper autochthonous) derived curly hair to those \"fair\" english \"roses\" while saxon 'men' watched in horror as the Sons of Taranis dominated and subjugated that semi-aquatic continental fauna."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>121\nethnicity is ancestry, you have no idea what ethnicity is.\n>no its culture\nWhat identity is, is a question of popular opinion, and you are not inline with the popular opinion."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nyou will never be celtic\nkeep making up deranged sexual fantasies though"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\n>British\n>Starts fantsizing about black skinned, curly haired, muscular men out of blue\n\nNever change"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nI am Celtic Jomon.\n>>128\n>black skinned\nwho? Saxon Oranges who turn swarthy in the sun?\n>curly haired\ncurly, not kinky, exclusively Europeans have curly hair which retains its lush ringlets, whereas other races have kinky negro hair even when their hair is wavy its stringy.\n>muscular men\naverage celt"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nThe minds of everyone in this thread are very swarthy."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nMental illness\nYou will never be celtic"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nWho are the Celts then?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nthey never existed"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nIsn't mental illness and i say that in jest anon.\n\ng gauls are what we'd consider celts."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>19\nWhat could have been..."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>123\n>10% more yamnaya\n3% in south france"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndia"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>136\nWho cares about those. Is like picking brittany to prove something"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>134\nthey never existed"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nNational haplo grouping\n>no \"celtic\" grouping\n\nThis sounds like butthurt Anglo rapprochement . Just because there isn't a \"Celtic\" grouping doesn't mean the Britons scotts irish cormwals dutch don't share genetic affinity.\n\nalso can you link the study pretty pwz"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n> Name a bigger fall from grace.\n\nNot even a fucking contest."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\n>dutch\nwat? dutch are germanics"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\n\nlook >>139\n\nmaybe you are conflating Dutch with the Flemish, Who clearly never existed."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Name a bigger fall from grace.\n\nScythian steppe dominance"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Orthdoxy on the rise?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because white kids in the western world with no identity have no cultural precedence for it so they project and idolize the fuck out of it and swallow all of it's memes whole."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican “men,” especially millennials and gen xers, are manchildren whose identity is tied into “things” whether they be funkopops or cars.\n\nIn this case, these manchildren treat Orthodox Christianity as an exotic “thing” that they measure their devotion to by their growing collection of books and icons. Icons are more or less the same as funkopops to them. Most likely to do not go to church regularly, if at all, and most spend more time debating online or being “content creators” than actually spending time devoting themselves to God."}, {"id": 4, "content": "tradcaths disillusioned with catholicism + LARPers that like byzantines because they featured in their map-colouring games = western orthodogs"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere are the stats?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The lamp/light and presence of God resides in One Church like God in the 2nd Temple.\n\nIt all goes back to the Uncreated Light, God’s presence and physicality need to be present in One Body.\n\nCatholic Scholasticism combined their beliefs with Platonism and other philosophies/man made doctrines. Protestantism is Nestorianism as it denies the physicality of Faith. Both lead straight to atheism/secularism, but it isn’t a “Western” problem"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>In this case, these manchildren treat Orthodox Christianity as an exotic “thing” that they measure their devotion to by their growing collection of books and icons.\nPerfect encapsulation."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Average orthodog convert in the comments of that vid."}, {"id": 9, "content": "This is now an orthodog bashing thread"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Catholics who are disillusioned with modern Catholicism, Baptists who want the actual, original Christianity (I know there are Baptist converts in Mount Athos)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Toll House Chocolate Chip Cookie Sandwich\n\n?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIts not. Russia has like a 7% church attendance rate, and only ones who go to church are grannies. they also have an ungodly abortion rate. Not to mention, Orthodox countries are all really corrupt."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Why are all the OrthoLARPer converts such huge Russaboos and Zfags? Is it because of the history and infkuence of the OCA and ROCOR? It's weird how they never convert to Greek or Serbian Orthodox, it's always Russian."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThey're attracted to power or at least the perception of it. The Kremlin convinced them that it's a counterweight to the Western liberal elites they don't like, so they hope that by converting to Russian Orthodoxy, they can borrow some of the Kremlin's power, or at least perceived power.\n\nThey're the equivalent of Koreans converting to American Protestant sects in the 1920s, or black Americans in the 1960s joining Islam."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nI’m just a slavophile and I’ve always been. I don’t think that influenced my religious life, only my gun purchases\nBut I go to a Greek Orthodox Church because it’s what’s closest to me and I really like both of the priests there."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>he doesn't know about the toll-houses\nSomeone's not going to trad heaven\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_toll_house\nhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/Aerial_Toll-Houses"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk bruh but some American Orthos are the most retarded people I've ever talked to... it seems many join it just to be \"counter\" culture even religiously.\nt. Slavic Ortho"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nToll houses aren’t real and only schizos think they are"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou’re definitely right\nt. American ortho convert"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLots of young men in America struggle to accept their homosexual desires. They get horny thinking about big cocks and jerk off thinking about fucking a twink's tight hole.\n\nIt scares them, so they seek refuge, with other repressed homosexuals, amongst the incense and chants."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSpeaking from experience?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnew age/buddhism for chuds"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nYep"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsee\n>>2\n>>3\n>>22"}, {"id": 25, "content": "It has ancient drip and hasn't neglected it in an attempt to appeal to the masses the way the Papists did, and its dysfunctions are opaque to Americans.\nA lot of the EO Church's self-narrative (for instance the whole \"spiritual against Roman rationalism\") was basically invented in the 19th century to try to distinguish itself from RC."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerimutts are retarded protestants who hate the Catholic church. Since American christians realize how bogus protestant bullshit is, they seek to convert. But since their amerimutt DNA is programmed to hate catholics, they default to the next best thing, which is orthodoxy."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>7\n>>9\n>>13\n>>14\n>>20\n>>22\n>>26\n>>unknown\nwhy so negative, jeez louise"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nThere is WR Orthodoxy."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it is the truth."}, {"id": 30, "content": "All these \"orthodogs\" who were former baptists or grew up in evangelical households should read this book before they continue spewing up the lies told to them by their priests."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholicism straying away from Christianity and towards the western bs"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe faith is an excellent source of meaning in this meaningless world. We are born into an existential void, and we seek comfort in divine authority to escape this misery."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">why is orthodoxy on the rise\ndo you actually have anything to back that up with beyond a clickbait thumbnail"}, {"id": 34, "content": "Trad LARPERS and retard evangelicals enamored by a foreign culture and ritual trappings. Also contrarianism notched up to eleven. It's like being a special snowflake but also \"based.\" Orthodox are like 1% of US Christians iirc.\n\nGot nothing against the Orthodox but some of these converts have the most retarded reasoning behind their decision.\n\nAlso may not be entirely true:\nhttps://northamanglican.com/there-is-no-traditionalist-liturgical-revival-happening-yet/"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nBased."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Evangelicals here have nothing to offer but rock concerts with zoomers hopping around, Kanye who promotes some cool acceptable form of anti-semitiism and business style church conferences where they talk about efficacies of sola scriptura, rinse and repeat the same set of topic for the last 70 odd years.\n\nGive me one thing evangelicalism does that is unique to them that triumphs over orthodoxy, I am waiting"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nalso I'm not even orthodox because I think generally real orthodox are repulsed by 4chan and meme culture\nI'm a post-christian/post-evangelical if anything"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>2\nJust say you hate white people next time."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>10\nThe guys at Mount Athos never heard the phrase \"be fruitful and multiply\"."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>13\nI like Russians but I converted to Protestantism from Roman Catholicism."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>26\nWrong."}, {"id": 42, "content": "Wait till converts find what the entire culture and family surrounding Orthodoxy really means."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\nEvangelicals and reformed folks in general tend to produce really good sermons since they don't give a fuck about sacraments. The whole personal relationship with God thing is cool too.\n\nt. used to be evangelical"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone who converts to Orthodoxy for political reasons and not spiritual reasons is a Chud, plain and simple."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>unknown\nI just don’t like the legalism of Catholicism or the papacy\nAlso purgatory is dumb"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI fills a unique niche in the american christian ecosystem of having a big and old intellectual tradition while not being catholicism. Also its the second biggest single christian church so it makes sense it would eventually find its way into being an established player especially as old protestantism falls on its face and catholicism isnt being its old reactionary self\nAs well protestantism doesnt know how to deal with it very well due to never having had to argue with it (being relegated to being a backwater religion in europe does that) and western catholics lack experiance with it"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nMost non-immigrant Orthodox in the US are negroes or Alaskan Injuns."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>OMG ORTHODOX ROSE FROM .001% to .001001%\nOrthox countries are the most atheist in the world. The religion won't even exist in 100 years."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nThis is literally not true. You will find more Catholic blacks than orthos"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>Orthodox has a big and old intellectual tradition in the USA\nOrthodox has 100,000 practicing followers in the USA, time for you to go shill somewhere else."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n2 more weeks and Christianity disappears forever"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nCorrect, because Orthodoxy is an incredibly niche religion that only has a following in the US among Eastern European immigrants, negroes, and Alaskan Injuns. There's more Wiccans in the US than there are Orthodox who aren't, as mentioned, immigrants."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nIvan, Orthodox isn't Christian, its not even a religion, the head of your 'church' is a literal communist (atheist)."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>I CANT READ!!!1!\nAs expected from /his/tard"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>34\narent \"trad larpers\" basically just people who respect the actual christian teachings and not modern day sin worship that is taught in order to \"put butts in seats\" as they say and appeal to modern sensibilities?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>2\nThere’s nothing wrong with being a theist and simultaneously not humoring organized religion at the same time."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\n>orthodogs\n>christian"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>12\n>Russia has like a 7% church attendance rate, and only ones who go to church are grannies\nI'm generalizing a bit, but Russians seem much more \"anarchistic\" in reality, or nihilistic might be a better way of putting it, like believing in nothing and not trusting anybody outside people they either know really well or their family members. They're really not these trad people, like at all, but the other side of that coin of indifference is not caring about what other people believe or basically respecting it, which makes disrespecting the Orthodox Church a politically incorrect thing (even if they don't go to church), and the Orthodox Church also doesn't seem particularly evangelistic about what they do. They're not exactly knocking on my door trying to convert me.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/DpSTtB71M_8 [Embed]\n\n>>37\n>I think generally real orthodox are repulsed by 4chan and meme culture\nMost institutions that 4chan meme culture tries to move into are repulsed by it. It's one thing to do it on the internet, imagine talking to people like that in real life, especially if it's a grown-ass man saying \"based\" to you. It's disgusting or, at the very least, cringeworthy."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>4\n>tradcaths disillusioned with catholicism\nIs the Pope gonna excommunicate the channers?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/NRt2cKvJLlE?t=92 [Embed]"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Stopped in to a church\n>I passed along the way\n>Well, I got down on my knees\n>And I pretend to pray\n>You know the preacher liked the cold\n>He knows I'm gonna stay\n>California dreamin'\n>On such a winter's day."}, {"id": 61, "content": "Unironically true"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>51\nContinuously between 1958 and 2013 the church has lost more members than it has gained"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it really?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>55\nMost trad larpers don't actually believe in God. They just follow it because they think it will help them get laid."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>8\nI discovered it though memes too. Doesn't mean it's a meme religion though"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>9\nLiterally me.\nBut I see nothing wrong with this."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nLmao. The absolute state."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>26\nThis.\nAmerican Protestantism has done more damage to Christianity in the past century than every Muslim faction in the world managed to accomplish in over a millennium."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>Pope worship is Christianity"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nYou realize God and Hell are real right? You shouldn't decide what to believe based on online memes, it's actually a serious matter. And you certainly shouldn't choose a religion based on which is politically more epicly based."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>And you certainly shouldn't choose a religion based on which is politically more epicly based.\nYou kinda should though."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nNobody decided to believe because of memes dumbass. It's the memes that lead you to read about the history, theology and do actual research"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>30\nRead it, it all boils down to points that any former Baptist (like myself) should have dealt with before they seriously considered conversion.\n>The EO worship icons!\nIcons are windows into heaven, they are a representation of the people God has worked marvelous things through in order to show us His glory. This is a running theme when talking to people about Orthodoxy. Respect/veneration does not equal worship,\n>inb4 Icoooner\nI have two, they were both gifts and I’m probably going to give one to a friend.\n>They worship Mary!\nI had this idea the first time I was invited to a liturgy. It seemed like they brought up Mary a lot. That’s just because in most Protestant churches Mary is brought up maybe twice a year, once around Christmas and once around Mother’s Day. Of course, being used to that, hearing about Mary twice in an hour is a huge increase, but it makes up maybe 1% of the service. Again, I have to bring up that respect doesn’t equal worship. Of course God is the only one that is worthy of worship, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have reverance for anybody else in the Bible.\n>Orthodox churches can become cultural enclaves!\nHe’s right, it’s a problem that needs correction, but to pretend that’s it more of a problem in Orthodoxy than Protestantism is laughable. I’ve been a member of a Greek Orthodox church for several years. I don’t have a drop of Greek blood and I can’t speak a word of the language beyond “Christos anesti!”, but that’s never been a problem and I’m perfectly welcome there. The last Baptist church I went to was the complete opposite. I went to a Fundamental Baptist Church because I was sick of the liberal crap the church my family went to was pushing. In the year I was there I saw two couples and another guy like me come and go because if you weren’t in one of the families that had been going there for 20 years you weren’t worth speaking to."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nGod bless you, brother, from a cradle Greek Orthodox in North America."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's the last stage of sedevacantism"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>2\nIt's basically this generation's \"born again\" nonsense.\n\nBunch of fucking aimless, drifters looking for someone to give them direction and purpose."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>13\nBecause there's a giant psyop campaign over the internet coming out of Russia to make it seem like a great place doing great things."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>36\n>Give me one thing evangelicalism does that is unique to them\nTheir entire mantra is \"feels not reals\"."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy thoughts are that Catholicism has not managed to handle well the modern age post-Vatican II. In trying to appeal to the world and the current age, it's like their tradition/faith demoted itself and instead of being a rock (as Catholics constantly love to claim thanks to their Pope) always holding against the currents of the ages, they became a \"hip\" and \"inclusive\" pebble that was taken over.\n\nThe culmination is their current borderline heretical Pope trying to avert a new schism regarding the wokist German Catholic bishops. If they lose this battle as well, I foresee an even bigger exodus from everywhere but the most 3rd world countries.\n\nEastern Orthodoxy with some of the issues that it faces as well, like the one with Russia, is a tradition/faith a lot more steeped on the mystical and traditional. While the Pope for example was paying respect to religious idols from all around the world, most of the Orthodox wanted nothing to do with other denominations to the point of hostility (now I may not agree with this but it gives you the idea) and try to hold strong to their faith at all costs.\n\nThis superior stability of the EOC (despite being a pretty decentralized church compared to the Catholic one) can greatly appeal to lost to pieces protestants or disillusioned Catholics."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's seen as a alternative to the globohomo infiltrated western churches"}, {"id": 81, "content": "reminder all orthodox trads are now reduced to simping for a chinese communist leader to beg him to save russia"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>2\nwhenever a leftie mentions white people its always with contempt"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>unknown\nHere's your \"voice of god\", bro\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2018/may/21/the-pope-says-god-made-gay-people-just-as-we-should-be-heres-why-his-comments-matter"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>2\n>defending the gay Pope and Tranny protestants\nLmao"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nstop acting contemptible and people will stop making fun of you for chasing meme religions that you only join to own the libs"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfor every 1 American who converted to Orthodox Christianity, there are 100 dead believers in Ukraine."}, {"id": 87, "content": "Is Ubi Petrus actually considered good apologetics against Catholicism? Orthobros rave about him but I watched this video and it was one of the most pretentious, obfuscating things I have ever seen in my life. 80% of it is just reading long quotes of Church Fathers extremely slowly and then saying it furthers his point even if it is completely unrelated. And then he does the gay moving-the-goalposts thing where he says Orthodoxy doesn't have any official teaching on this to avoid taking any vulnerable position.\nAnd he supports Saint Augustine's arguments the entire video only to at the end randomly bring in Saint Basil to BTFO Augustine with a single quote lol to show the superiority of Eastern Christianity\nlike am I too stupid to see the quality of the arguments?\nhttps://youtu.be/fGO8sXtlHd4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 88, "content": "Has anyone else noticed one thing the Orthodox and Muslims have in common is that they never cite sources or statistics for their claims?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>10\n>>30\n>>26\nYeah it's true. I know this Orthodox guy at my work who told me his entire Orthodox parish is made of Evangelical converts (including himself)\nSomething has to be done about the Protestant mentality, it just ruins wherever it spreads in Christianity. Prot converts always bring their brain-dead, religious puritanism into the mix. This doesn't just happen to Orthodox; on the Traditional Catholic side you have epic converts from Protestantism like Taylor Marshall encouraging everyone to sperg out"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’d sooner expect Americans to start sacrificing Big Macs to Zeus than for orthodoxy to make up even 10% of the population"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>85\nif people talked about minorities the way you talk about whites youd shit your pants in rage, faggot"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>26\nTbh this, I know I can't sell people I know on Catholicism, so I tell them to at least check out Eastern Orthodox since Catholicism has recognized it since the 90s"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nthe image didn't even mention anything about race yet you're already shitting yours about it you sensitive bitch"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>36\n>Give me one thing evangelicalism does that is unique to them that triumphs over orthodoxy, I am waiting\nThey seem to be way better at missionary work\n>>26\n>Amerimutts are retarded protestants who hate the Catholic church\nI don't think that's actually common, it's just that Francis is causing a lot of disillusionment"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>58\n>They're really not these trad people, like at all, but the other side of that coin of indifference is not caring about what other people believe or basically respecting it\nNot exactly."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>89\nWhat spergy thing has Taylor Marshall done?"}, {"id": 97, "content": "Converts should just watch Orthodox Ethos with Father Peter Heers so you can develop the proper mentality and get rid of the ridiculous evangelical mindset"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>unknown\nSomeone post the Orthodox version that uses actual theological arguments instead of land-grabbing EU4 autism"}, {"id": 100, "content": "It's hilarious how Orthodoxy makes evangelicucks, tradcaths, Jews and fedoracucks seethe ITT"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>89\n> Prot converts always bring their brain-dead, religious puritanism into the mix.\nI couldn’t agree more and I’m exactly that. I’m actually somewhat sympathetic to Californian refugees now because it’s the same mindset. Even though I know good and well protestantism is awful and I’ve seen how its’ principles destroy a church I still catch myself thinking every once in a while, “Would it really be so bad if Orthodoxy did X ?”. I’m extremely careful about never voicing these thoughts, but I know there are plenty of others who aren’t."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>Be unpopular contrarian losers\n>jokes on you, we like being unpopular contrarian losers\n\nYou'll lose your convert zeal and find something else to convert too soon enough"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nI'm Greek, faggot. It's not Orthodoxy's fault proteniggers made a mockery out of Christianity and indirectly birthed fedora atheism or how Catholics shit the bed with Papal infallibility. Orthodoxy is older than any of your meme denominations, so don't be surprised when believers flock to it."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n>I'm Greek,\nI'm so sorry. It must suck to have such an illustrious history and be rendered so low in the modern age that your only friends are retarded zoomers joining your faith out of sheer contrarianism instead of out of any sense of sincere religious revelation. Don't worry, they'll move on soon enough and you can go back to being just another irrelevant religious minority"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nPalamism is a heresy. Barlaam had to convert to Catholicism because of such blasphemous smut."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>9\nKikes absolutely seething in this thread. Dont worry, we will try to make 110 as painless and swift as possible"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">protestant Americans turning Orthodox Christian\n>Latin Americans turning protestant Christian\n\nSo who's turning Catholic and where?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\n>So who's turning Catholic and where?\nafriKANGZ"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\n>>108\nThis, I'll probably go down with the Catholic ship, but that is where I see things trending. I'll keep encouraging American Protestants to go into Eastern Orthodoxy because that at least makes ecumenicalism more viable"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\n>American Protestants to go into Eastern Orthodoxy\nAll they'll do is subvert it from within"}, {"id": 111, "content": "It's not really on the whole. Just within a contained Internet subculture that pervades the chan boards and alternative media"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>9\nyes but turks are indeed the scum of the earth, and need to be anihilitated.\n\nmost balkanics and greeks are too good either, but certainly better than turks, even worse are those fanatic turkish nationalist and then in the final place you have turkish islamist fundamentalists.\n\nSE europeans need to understand that they're cunts and the whole of europe are again at risk of being raped by russia and turkey and do something about it.\n\n>t. native easter orthodox"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nevery sect that was used to be obscure is on the rise right now. Seeing a JW or a Mormon would be impossible now they are even present here, a Muslim country.\ni blame the spineless Catholic Church and Protestant leadership that caused many of the adherents go astray."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\n>yes but turks are indeed the scum of the earth, and need to be anihilitated.\nvery Christian of you, NOT! This is a pagan tribalist error.\nI was going to be Orthodox and thought this nationalism thing a meme, as a Turkish person, but after attending parish for a few months i noticed that there are gossips about skin colour of a new attendee and the church is literally segregated into ethnic groups rather than all men being brothers.\nAfter debating with Cstholics, Catholic convinced me and i go to Catholic Church every sunday and waiting for the end of my catechumenate.\nT. convertafag"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they think orthodoxy is more \"based\" and \"trad\" ahahahaha"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nidk man, out of a population of 80 million people there are bound to be decent people. but if you've met the turkish diaspora in my cunt, or in any balkan cunt you would be more understanding of this behaviour.\n\nalso yes, orthodox people are very nationalistic and xenophobic. imo its not based or anything, but it is what it is and it developed this way primarily because of history with the germs, turks and russians"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>23\n>OGTNOBOZH\nwhat did they mean by this?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe age of wikipedia tought them about alternative Christianities. Also the low base effect I believe."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>111\nThe is a clear deluge of young Anglo male converts apparently. But maybe that's only enough to replace the old male and female believers dying."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nI heard of this but was interested how priests or people in churches didn't care at all. Like it was \"meh cool I guess\". My suspicion is that they know most of those kids won't stick around 5 years from now when it stops being cool or they get bored or they realize it's not for them, whichever comes first."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>89\nTaylor Marshall is a low effort halfwit."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhere?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause larping in general is on the rise"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>119\nI'm a supporter if that has been quantified by someone. Been a convert since 2018"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>9\nWhats wrong with the cookie tho?"}, {"id": 126, "content": "I don't know, practically no one in Russia goes to Orthodox churches. And the ROC has a terrible reputation. According to the statistics of church attendance, Russia is practically at the level of Scandinavian countries (a low level, and this is taking into account Muslim regions)\nThe Russian Orthodox Church lives only due to the artificial support of the state and the strange ideas of the upper class of Putinism. There, in reality, they are constantly building these temples that no one literally goes to. Without state support, the ROC will simply die completely\nZumerki are all total atheists. Religious people remained only, oddly enough, in the Soviet generation, but it is rapidly dying.\nThe Orthodox Church in Russia has no future."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndidn't dyer and his friends just declare was on the Orthodox Church in America? seems to me that there is a divide between online orthodoxy and the church in real life"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>16\nthis is strange. so the east rejected purgatory but then starting believing this. i heard it is controversial"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nI live in Finland and believe that all of our orthodox \"churches\" should be burned down. I hate their customs and they're fucking worthless in general."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReactionism. Young Americans are rejecting the Protestant movement because they finally see what it has led to. But unfortunately they are not smart enough or strong enough to reject Abrahamism as a whole, so they either convert to Islam or (more likely) convert to Orthodoxy due to conservatism."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>reject Abrahamism\nChristianity is the one and only true religion. no one is going to \"convert\" to\n>le pagan religion of your ancestors\nNO ONE seriously believes in doing retarded shit like that. nietzsche is dead."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause atheism is gay"}, {"id": 133, "content": "Incel chuds who cannot think for themselves. Orthocuck debate clubs online lay out a specious system which seems to explain everything. It's an intellectual form of Islam. The orthocucks have common tactics and forks which are used to lure in and trap unsuspecting midwits.\n\nPresuppositional apologetics is a classic debate chud tactic, though Dyer lifted the whole argument from Darth Dawkins."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>Presuppositional apologetics is a classic debate chud tactic, though Dyer lifted the whole argument from Darth Dawkins.\n\nYou do realize transcendental arguments go back at least to Immanuel Kant right? It's not some obscure form of argumentation only found on the Internet"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>100\nYou could say the same but switch Orthodox and tradcaths honestly"}, {"id": 136, "content": "Catholic stopped being cool and BASED so they're hopping over to Orthodoxy until they think that's lame too.\nI think Mormons will be the next BIG RELIGION for 14yo right wingers."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>127\nDo you have a source for that? I tried searching on it and just got that fat Michael Lofton shilling this observation"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>134\nThe presupp argument isn't really transcendental though. At least not when you want to arrive at the conclusions that its proponents do."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>136\nThat would be funny as shit if they start converting to weird sects. Who knows, maybe 2 years from now this board will have an army of JWs flooding the catalogue with objections to the trinity"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nCan't wait for some zoomer to call me a redditor for calling scientology a scam."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>59\nAt least we try to spread the gospels instead of twiddling our thumbs and cutting off missionary effort in godless societies like this old fart"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\nSpreading the gospel online is as efective as veggie tales characters telling you jesus died for your sins."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nI thought you were referring to Orthodox since Russian and Ukraine are the most godless countries in Europe and the Orthodox have had an absolutely shite record at evangelizing compared to Catholics and even Protestants"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>141\n>At least we try to spread the gospels instead of twiddling our thumbs and cutting off missionary effort in godless societies like this old fart\nNot your place to do so desu."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>120\nIf anything I think most people dislike the “deluge” of converts. I’m starting to feel the same way and I’m one of them.\n\nThe online Orthodox are textbook examples of the stereotype that the Church uses to explain why they won’t let converts join the priesthood for a certain number of years after their conversion. They say that new converts are likely to become proud and boastful without having much actual substance in the faith or real knowledge of it. Nobody fits this stereotype better than the online Orthodox “convert”, who couldn’t tell you anything about Orthodoxy beyond “muh icons”, “based Orthos btfo Catholics” and “virgin Orthodox tradwife” all the while promoting sexual immorality and other degenerate behavior. The online Orthodox are to Orthodoxy what the gay pastor tiktoks are to Protestants. They make up an tiny fraction of our population but their loud stupidity gives us all a bad image.\n\nI think you’re absolutely right that for most people it’s a fad that won’t last for more than a couple years. The church I go to has around 30 people who regularly attend. Since I’ve started going there have been six recent converts, only three of them regulary attend services, and of the three it’s a single guy and a married couple. The others only drop in on holidays and rare occasions when they get a wild hair. And that’s talking about people who have gone through baptism and chrismation. I would say there’s probably another six or seven who’ve come to the church once or twice, seen that it isn’t full of eligible bombshells dying to find a husband and that we don’t have swastika flags hanging in the dining hall and they jump ship when they see that the online rumors about us being a hate church and find-a-bride service aren’t even remotely true."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>138\nWhat do you mean?"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>83\nGod said the church would be taken over but will not prevail in the end. CATHOLICS themselves before Protestants even existed said the Church will be taken over by Satan."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>144\nThe divine mandate of the Church is to complete the Holy Commission. To ignore it makes the Church illegitimate."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>93\nthe guy i originally replied to specified \"white kids\" as if theyre a bad thing. read the thread you fucking moron"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>143\nRussia yes, but not Ukraine\nChurch attendance is actually pretty high in Ukraine (70+%) for a European country\nWhich makes the whole Russian accusation of Ukraine being a godless satanic degenerate country even more hilarious"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nNo, Ukraine has like the highest divorce rate in Europe and is neck-and-neck for highest abortion rate with Russia also"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey get wowed by the priestly garments\nI wish I was joking"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>92\nwell, the sacraments are correct\nthey are still in schism"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>142\nEither of thoss things is more effective than the average evangelist whose tactics are either handing out those fake $5 bills that just piss people off or standing on a street corner asking people gotcha questions (which also just pisses people off)."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\nWhy do outsiders always make this judgement? Feel like they are projecting their own reason of interest in Orthdoxy as to why others are converting."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\n>Why do outsiders always make this judgement?\nbecause its literally true; same shit happened with all the born--again Evangelicals-- laypeople got waowed by the old timey words used the KJV, and now they are getting waowed by surface level aesthetic elements of the Orthodox church\n>projecting their own reason of interest in Orthdoxy\nYou are the one implying that I have such an interest myself; I have no interest in the Orthodox church beyond the salvation of their adherents\nt. born in Orthodox family, now a Catholic"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>156\nWhy would you leave the Only True Church? Idiot\nEnjoy your clown mass"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nwas unconvinced by Orthodox claims of Apostolic Succession"}, {"id": 159, "content": "I love how every time Orthodoxy is mentioned, it brings all the seething catholics out of the woodwork. Their arguments either surmount to:\n>hehe u lost Constantinople ur not valid\nThis is retard think that has persisted because of paradox interactive map game rot. Imagine laughing when a Christian capital of faith falls to infidels. I guess Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria aren't valid either since they fell under Muslim occupation. Imagine thinking life is like Crusader Kings.\n>The Patriarch of Moscow is evil!!1\nCalling the church an agent of the Kremlin is and Kirill a communist also falls under this. No shit, the church was faced with extinction, they had to cooperate to survive. They no longer reside in the Soviet Union, and haven't for decades. Countless hundreds of thousands upon thousands died as Martyrs to their faith during Soviet control. And are we going to pretend like the Papacy in Rome isn't without blemish? They had a Pope so wicked they exhumed is corpse and \"put him on trial\". Not to mention the countless genocides supported by the Catholic church in the name of God.\n\nFaced with these arguments, even when you bring up the current Pope, and the modern problems with the church, they will fall back on their one and final argument.\n\n>PETER WAS THE ROCK!\nHe indeed was. However nowhere in the Bible does it state that Peter's rock is located in Rome. ALL validly ordained priests and bishops can trace their succession back to Peter. Let's see all the church with legitimate and provable Apostolic succession shall we?\n>The Catholic Church\n>The Eastern Orthodox Church(s)\n>The Oriental Orthodox Church(s)\n>The Anglican Church\n>The Scandinavian Luthern Church(s)\n>The American Presbyterian Church(s)\n>Even the fucking METHODIST CHURCH(s)\n\nALL of these church bodies have the receipts and can trace themselves back to Peter. Does that make them all correct? Of fucking course not, so why use it as an argument to prove the Catholic church is the only true church? Lol"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>158\nHow?\nMakes more sense than some Petrine God Emperor"}, {"id": 161, "content": "Is it really?"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe pope is crazy but people are waking up more and more to an objective evil behind this clown world and need somewhere to go, a bastion of morality in a world trying to demoralise, dehumanise and ultimately turn you into part of the problem. Where do you go when the head of the Church is one of them but you recognise the truth of there being tradition to the structure if the church. Sedevacantism is self refuting, so clearly the problem is the framework of any papacy at all. Protestantism is self refuting so it isnct that rebellion from the schismatics.\nI started taking my Catholic upbringing seriously but noticed a lot was still wrong. I started reading into the faults of Vatican 2 then went further with Vatican 1, the ither councils and then the foundation for papacy. I rediscovered that: Christ is real, the church descended from the first apostles is real, but its simply not the main one in the west.\nTradlarping in general is large due to these times but I'm actively preparing for catechism and am serious about converting. I have faith, it may have started from the mind but I now have it in my heart primarily which is the true way to hold faith.\nCall me a larper, retard, jew-worshipper, theidiot or whatever, that doesn't matter to me. What only matters to me is returning to the flock with Him as my Shepard. Icm naking my way back home."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>159\n>No shit, the church was faced with extinction, they had to cooperate to survive.\nThat doesn't excuse what Kirill and the ROC are preaching nowadays when it comes to the invasion."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>159\nInteresting points\n\n>>163\nDoesn't it? From a social standpoint all Christians should be aligned with Russia."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>39\nThey have fruits of the spirit and spiritual children.\n0.001% of people becoming monks just makes you insecure"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>159\nFor me, the real question is why do people that rage againast the ROC act like it is the only Orthodox Church?\nEven within Eastern Orthodoxy alone there are multiple other churches with international parishes, but I've seen so many online lately try to slam Russian Orthodoxy as some kind of catch-all argument against the entire Orthodox Church itself. It reveals a more ignorant, tunnel-visioned worldview than anything else."}, {"id": 167, "content": "When I discovered orthodoxy it seemed to me like a weird midpoint between catholocism and protestantism at the time (I was a low church protestant at the time with little knowledge on history and just had a bias against the papacy). The closest parish to me had a very dedicated priest who had weekly catechisms and a active parish. I think there has been a large push by many of the churches in america to evangelize at a time where many people are leaving their respective churchea for whatever reason (I had simply moved to a new state and was looking for a new church to call home.) I think certain low church protestants in particular are vulnerable to Orthodoxy. It seems to me that Vatican II Catholocism is also alienating any sort of traditional catholic. I have heard that Orthodoxy has seen a rapid rise in guatemala because \"priests show up to mass in sneakers\" (obviously qn exxageration but it gets some sort of point across). I dont know if this will ever lead to orrhodoxy being more than 1% in America but it will probably stick around unless bishops really drop the football with this (I think the current schism between Russia and Constantinople could lead to something even more serious in the future). I am also wary with how GOARCH will act in the future. Aparantlly they are monitorong ROCOR and OCA churches for some reason(?) tl;dr the biggest problems will probably come from within."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>136\nIve spoken with mormon missionaries and they really are taking the \"submit to BASED authority\" approach to evangelization."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>164\n>Doesn't it? From a social standpoint all Christians should be aligned with Russia.\nNo."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>150\nChurch attendance ≠ religiosity\n\nPeople here go to church just so they can be seen there, they flaunt their wealth by coming in with expensive cars and wearing expensive clothes, and they try to present themselves as virtuous while living mired in sin. Not like the russians are any better, you should know how peoples live their lives when no one is looking if you want to know if they are virtuous."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>2\nfippy bippy"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>160\nHow does Apostolic Succession work from the Orthodox position if one of the main Apostolic lines is now a schismatic heretic?"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>2\nThe sheer vitriol directed against the Orthodox in particular is evidence of its truthfulness at this point."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>173\nReally, man?\nI see Orthodox being much more vitriolic to Catholics on the larger stage\nAlso Catholics don't only have to deal with the Orthodox's vitriol but also the Protestant's (though Prots have calmed down lately)\nLike your argument is awful because objectively the Catholics gets more flack"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>9\n>The best sort of women are the ones who are great cooks and love their husbands dearly\nYes.\n>most young men have a hard time with their libido and feel unworthy as a result\nYes.\n>The Christian faith must never compromise\nYes.\n>Turks are squatters and warmongers with little to no culture of their own\nYes.\n>Putin is likely the lesser of two evils ultimately because at least he isn't actively trying to destroy his own nation by enforcing critical race theory and queer theory, and he donates a great deal to Christian churches instead of trying to cut down Christianity at every turn\nYes.\n>Fr Seraphim is difficult to understand if you don't have some grounding in the terminology of modern philosophy\nYes.\nOk. So where's the lie?"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>14\n>we want power so we're converting to the denomination that was robbed of half of Christendom by Islam in a Church whose home nation has the highest rate of AIDS in Eurasia thanks to endless espionage and economic bullshit from the West\nSomething tells me the anons converting to Orthodoxy aren't doing it for power. They're doing it because they believe in it."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>176\nSomething tells me the anons converting to Orthodoxy for power aren't analyzing it as completely in a historical and geopolitical sense than you are"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>174\nFrom what I've seen, the Orthdox definitely get it worse. They also get it from the Protestants just as much as the Catholics do. People will deny certain Catholic converts are sincere whereas there has been a protracted effort to deny the legitimacy of any Orthodox convert here and elsewhere."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>2\n\nfpbp"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>178\nMost protestants don't even know Orthodox exist lol\nAnd those who do actually are more likely to convert as you can see or team up with Protestants against Catholics (read up on history of Anglican and Protestant intercommunion/ecumenism)\nAlso Orthodox have literally committed multiple genocides against Catholics, but Catholics are forgiving enough to not hold it against them or bring it up all the time (meanwhile Orthodox can't stop bringing up the Sack of Constantinople even though the Pope literally condemned it and excommunicated the primary perpetrators of it too).\n>People will deny certain Catholic converts are sincere\nOkay you are just biased or retarded. People deny Tradcath converts all the time, and not that I blame them, but really, people make fun of the sincerity of Groypers and NY hipster scene converts like Dasha Nekrasova all the time.\nThis entire comparison reeks of Orthocentrism because frankly most people in the west don't know or give a shit about Orthodox, and those who do are either Protestants converting to Orthodoxy or Catholics who are sympathetic to them."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\nAnglican and Orthodox ecumenism*"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>106\nbased. fuck the hook noses"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>159\n>Peter's rock is located in Rome\nI'm a retard but surely St Peter founding the Antiochian Church negates this point also. By that logic shouldn't Antioch also have universal jurisdiction?"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>162\nGod bless you bro, pray for me"}, {"id": 185, "content": "Most of the Protestant churches collapsed due to liberalism and it left an empty hole in the people who used to go to them. Most go full blown atheist but some drift into Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or even Judaism."}, {"id": 186, "content": "About the protestants who convert to orthodoxy, I get the feeling that more and more people are instinctually sensing how flighty and fracturing protestantism looks like to people outside it. As a disclaimer I'm only talking about what the surface impressions feel and look like, not about any of the core substance in either the prot branches or in orthodoxy. When it looks like people are submitting themselves to follow a religion that repeatedly emphasizes being linked across the generations to the apostles and first church fathers, that feeling of someone putting themselves in dedication to something much bigger than them has more weight. Like a chain of metal links that stretch far into the distance.\nCompare that to a protestant shopping around and then finding a church that might have officially split off from another branch as recently 60 years ago. And after a few years they might go off to find another branch among a dozen to suit them better because their whim feels like it."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>81\nThe history of christianity in china is kind of interesting because of all that happened in the 20th century. It's hard to know any numbers because they've stayed secretive out of necessity for a long time but there are probably quite a lot of both protestant and catholic christians in china who refuse to show up to the state monitored churches and have secret masses wherever they can gather from what I've read about"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what are some moments in history that sounds like bullshit but they totally happened"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything involving Joan of arc"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Does the Leo Frank case pretty much disprove the myth that lynchings had anything to do with race? They trusted the black guy even though they already had an excuse to lynch him on sight"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCleopatra's entire life"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTaiping Rebellion."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNo it doesn't\nLeo Frank was also an \"outsider\" and he was too obviously guilty to blame some black guy for it and move on"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe entire history of China"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>Does the Leo Frank case pretty much disprove the myth that lynchings had anything to do with race?\nNo???? are you stupid or something lel"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Leo Frank was also an \"outsider\"\nJews were one of the first groups to be emancipated in America since they basically copied the French Revolution who gave them equal rights.\nTo them Frank was just another white guy"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Germans + Allies teaming up in a castle\n>Americans supporting a socialist aligned government against Christian peasants\n>that British soldier who stormed battlefields with a bagpipe, longsword, and longbow\n>two Latin American countries fighting an unrelated war at the same time as WWII\n>the serb who pushed a bottle up his ass too far and collapsed Yugoslavia as well as his colon\n>General Butt Naked\nthose are my favorite"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nManson was official member of scientology"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nLynching was extrajudicial killings for a crime. It has literally nothing to do with race and everything to do with settler Wild West life where a police force wasn’t really around. This meant the townsfolk acted as their own police force and would gather up in posses to arrest criminals and deal out justice.\n\nIf some guy is known as a horse there, they would just go arrest and hang him. Lynching had become synonymous with specifically hanging black people, but that isn’t what it was. Most victims of lynching were overwhelmingly white simply because the majority of the country was white, and a lot of times blacks participated in the lynching. A real outlier of this were cases like Teal where a boy was killed for a minor offense, even in cases of whites killing blacks, it was almost always because the black person was either suspected of or even found guilty in a court of law of raping and/or murdering someone.\n\nThe largest mass lynching in America was in New Orleans and against Italian immigrants. This was the first case against the mafia in America and the men were all suspected being part of this scary criminal secret society, so both whites AND blacks hanged them in rage."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nnigger I'm not reading any of that shit kek\nyou literally are arguing that lynching had nothing to do with race, that's enough for me to know"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\ntrannypol public school educated band dork faggot"}, {"id": 15, "content": "The Manhattan Project sounds like a shitty arc in a shonen anime"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nJust another proof that coffee makes you a psychopathic maniac, coffee should be outlawed"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nanother proof they all were jewish spies"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Jim Morrisons dad started the Vietnam War"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nWhat is this refrencing? Something during the winter war I assume?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Helena took Radcliffe virginity while filming 8"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nAimo Koivunen"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nAnon, have you ever heard of Chaos Theory? The same can be said for literally any major event in human history. You can make the argument that the filming of \"Two Girls, One Cup\" directly lead to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nContext for these?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>have you ever heard of Chaos Theory?\nNo, but I do know about chaos control...UOHHAAAHHHHHH!!! *stops time*"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\n>Does the Leo Frank case pretty much disprove the myth that lynchings had anything to do with race?\nNo, it would be just anecdotal evidence.\nRather, the fact that lynching happened all through thr 19th century in america and involved literally every ethnicity including anglos proves that lynching wasn't a racial phenom.\nYou can still make an argument that nogs were scapegoated (I mean yeah, 13/50 today, but the lynching proportions are something like 2/75), but the act of lynching was just extrajudicial punishment like it happened and still happens in every country at every point in time and definitely not something made up for them specifically."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what are some moments in history that sounds like bullshit but they totally happened\n\n\nUncle Ted was right"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>no idea\n>US support of the mexican socialist regime during the Cristero War\n>Jack Churchill\n>Peru-Ecuador War\n>Martinovic incident\n>some crazy african warlord whose batallion dressed as a woman and sacrificed children. He is now a christian pastor"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>9\nHe was a new yorker"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSecond Pacific squadron."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Jesus existed"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nyeah but he wasn't god"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>yeah but he wasn't god\n\nsource ?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nGod told me in a vision."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\nFun fact: the three national leaders involved most directly in WW1 were all first cousins. Edward, Nicholas and Wilhelm were all Queen Victoria’s grandkids. Makes sense when I think of my family, and yet somehow monarchists will defend this"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nsure mohammed"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>12\n>Most victims of lynching were overwhelmingly white\nSource? Because looking it up casually, 72% of the victims were black."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russo-German schizophrenic barges into Mongolia\n>tries to take the capital occupied by Chinese\n>fails miserably\n>spreads rumours that the end is near\n>rides into the city alone, beats Chinese soldier for sleeping on duty\n>kidnaps Bogd-khan from prison\n>convinces everyone he is immortal\n>tries to take the city second time, with even less soldiers\n>Chinese flee in horror, despite outnumbering attackers 1 to 10 and having actual weapons\n>marries Chinese princess\n>leaves to suicide by USSR"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Great Chicago Fire\n\nThe War of the Three Kingdoms\n\nThe Burning of the Library of Alexandria\n\nThe Battle of the Teutoburg Forest\n\nThe Salem Witch Trials"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>23\n>>27\n1st is battle for castle itter\ngerman soldier rebelled at the end of the war to beat ss"}, {"id": 40, "content": "a portuguese soldier once ran out of bulletts in a battle agaisnt the ottomans and removed and shot his own tooth\n\nanother did a night raid on a ottoman camp during nighttime and kidnapped a soldier, realized much later that he had left his borrowed helmet at enemy camp, returned during daytime, in full view of the enemy, picked up the helmet and then ran for dear life, at which point the ottomans realising he wasnt surrendering, started chasing for him to climb the city walls while his mates pissed themselves laughing"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe holocaust"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>had to look up this\nwhat the fuck germanbros, why they don't teach this at school\nthey should make movies or something"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown\nThis isn't even that weird. Happens with popular musicians all the time"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>9\nThis. I mean we're talking about a time when half of whites thought they were descendants of Israel and the other half was LARPing as them."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>6\nIf Leo were a Christian with no other variable of that case changed, the outcome would have remained the same despite what Jewish NGO's will tell you. Why are people still defending this guy lel"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nWHAT THE FUCK WAS FREUD SPLIPPING INTO THE COFFEE"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCIA pretending to be god to scare filipino peasants."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">that italian aristocrat and former failed assassin of Napoleon III who fought at the battle of little big horn"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>34\n>Edward\nfirst of all it was George V at the time\nsecond of all the UK/George V was way, way less important to the start of WW1 than Franz Josef I"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>37\n>severely mentally ill and incompetent at everything\n>did absolutely nothing to fight the commies\n>worshipped by reddit history enthusiast retards because he was in a video game mod"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have to buy myself a kufi."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>3\n\nNo. The Klan just hated Jews more."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>\"white southerners hated jews more than blacks\"\nYeah, nice try Chaim"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\nBuy a pakol instead, they're the perfect hybrid of a beret and a kufi. As long as you aren't the whitest person in the universe you can pull it off with a sweater"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>45\n\nThe circumstantial and forensic evidence overwhelmingly point to Jim Conley. It's amazing he got away with pinning the murder on Frank. So much so that he didn't even plan it initially. He tried to blame it on another black guy in the murder notes he left behind, a night watchman named Newt Lee, who was so obviously not the murderer that he was cleared almost instantly."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nBasically everybody was doing better than the \"freedmen\". Jews, Catholics, American Indians, French quadroons, Caribbeans/Hispanics/Latinos, even a genuine African from Africa would have less to fear from the Klan than a genuine American negro."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>woman\nWasn't she like 8 or 9 or something"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n13"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPvt Kikujiro Shimura going to the toilet, getting lost and starting WW2 as a consequence."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>18\n>Jim Morrisons dad started the Vietnam War\n>Morrison was commander of United States naval forces during the Gulf of Tonkin Incident of August 1964, which sparked an escalation of American involvement in the Vietnam War. He was the father of Jim Morrison, the lead singer of the rock band The Doors, who died on July 3, 1971. Rome, Georgia, U.S."}, {"id": 61, "content": "George Lincoln Rockwell’s Dad being a vaudeville comedian and friends with many popular comics of the day, including Groucho Marx, Jack Benny, George Burns, and Fred Allen. (All of whom attended Rockwell’s Christening.)"}, {"id": 62, "content": "I'm in NYC right now and I'm gonna try to get standing room tickets for this show in like 12 hours. I wonder how they're gonna address the fact that the murderer was black."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>52\nthat's pretty based"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>56\nWhy did I read \"genuine african\" normally but \"genuine american negro\" as \"gen-yoo-aign\""}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nin yalta during a discussion stalin and fdr talked about the jewish question asking each other if they were zionists both answered yes but the stalin added something like he tried something in urss with jews but ,according to his words, said they were too deeply an urban merchant people.\nalso those writings(or notes taken) were written by alger hiss who later was judged for being a soviet spy."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>3\nI imagine most lynchings occur not because of innocent people, but rather some sort of reaction. Anger from the public"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>3\nLunching never had anything to do with race that is a Jewish hollyjew fiction. Lynching was a form of mob justice, hence why they were called lynch \"mobs.\" The death sentence was \"hanging by next until dead\" lynch mobs did the same thing the state did, they just did it themselves. There were never KKK clans just roaming the countryside looking for niggers to lynch that us pure Jewish fiction"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>11\nhe looks hot on this pic"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>47\nalso vampires"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>4\nYeah it reads like copy of Dido from Aeneid."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>3\nThat case is so weird for me\nA guy was lynched for killing a woman because of the compelling evidence and somehow it is connected to Jews"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\n>he looks hot on this pic"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>20\nLucky Daniel"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>37\n>>rides into the city alone, beats Chinese soldier for sleeping on duty\n>>kidnaps Bogd-khan from prison\n>>convinces everyone he is immortal\nthe masculine urge to do a physical feat that seems impossible and convince everyone that you are immortal\nugh"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>65\n>the stalin added something like he tried something in urss with jews but ,according to his words, said they were too deeply an urban merchant people.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast\nThere was an idea a the time that Jewish people were bad in their current form back that they could be reformed through redemption of the soil, which is to say they would become normal if they acted normal. Specifically that [hrasing came from Moses Hess who interacted with Marx and Engels early on before splitting with them on the issue of class struggle being the only relevant factor of analysis as he believed national or race struggle was nearly as important, and so he created labour zionism which is actually the first kind of zionism and predates the writings of Theodore Herzl who wrote without knowledge that someone had already written on the same topic,"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter being rejected by his oneitis, Josiah Harlan left Pennsylvania and went to Afghanistan with the intent of becoming a king. Beginning as a mercenary captain working for various warlords, he built up his reputation as a great commander.18 years later, he found himself working for the king of Afghanistan and after proving himself in battle, he was awarded the title Prince of Ghōr and officially afghan royalty."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nBack in the good ol days where men can legitimately just \"go on an adventure\""}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nNothing stops you from going to Afghanistan"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nBerserk live action adaptation when?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>34\nKing George and Nicholas wanted to avoid the war but they had no choice because they were bound by the treaty. WW1 was not a family dispute."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>20\njammy bastard"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>28\nThis, Jews in the south back then weren’t seen as different from any other Christian sect. Being perceived as a carpetbagger was a stronger case for lynching someone than being a Jew. The original KKK allowed Jews in and didn’t become antisemitic until it expanded to the north, but lefties still need to pin everything on ‘muh ebul southern hicks’ because they don’t want to accept that history isn’t as cut and dry as they think it is."}, {"id": 83, "content": "Creepy jew boss hits on underage girl outside his office, everyone can see it. She turns out raped and dead. Must be a black guy, definitely not the weird incel jew who keeps trying to fuck his underage employees. Obviously the black guys did it since they kept on raping and killing girls afterwards. Oh? They didnt. I like the fact he thought his rich jew friends would save him."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>unknown\nthe lads"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>10\n>us supporting socialists against Christian peasants\nGreek Civil war?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nMight be WW2 era Yugoslavia, although it was primarily the British supporting the Communists."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>55\nYeah except that Jim Conley confessed under 'extreme sweating' that Frank paid him to move the body and forge the notes"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>71\nFrank was Jewish and his legal defense was financed by the Jewish business community, who kept up the funding after his conviction and eventually bribed the governor to commute his execution to a life sentence. After he was lynched following this, those same Jews founded and funded the ADL"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>76\nIRL The Man Who Would Be King?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>83\nThey did until the community kidnapped him from his jail cell and hanged him; his co-religionists bribed the governor to commute his death sentence to life in prison"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>3\nNo. The case was an outlier. The KKK was highly bigoted against blacks, but Leo Frank was so guilty even they believed the blacks dindu nuffin."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>20\nSource please"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nClodius and Milo"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>unknown\nIs that fucking hirohito"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>unknown\nwhy are they chilling so hard"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Miracle of the House of Brandenburg"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nYes\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATG4IsY1mE [Embed]"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>89\nThe man who would be minor nobility."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>13\nLynching and race are circles on a venn diagram that intersect but not completely.\nThe South had racial strife, yes. It also knew that the two groups had to live together, because both groups knew that Northerners despised both groups.\nNigger rapes a white woman, gets lynched. Drunken useless whiteboy goes into the black part of town and rapes a black woman, her brothers kill him, maybe you don't call that a lynching, but no decent white man is going to avenge this asshole.\nProblems happen on the edges, of course, and they get the press. Like this Leo Frank asshole, who's not exactly huwite."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The life and time of Basil I the Macedonian\n>The duel between Peter III of Aragon and Charles I of Anjou/Sicily with Edward I of England acting as referee never ever"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPolish troops cannibalism in Moscow Kremlin."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>97\nGod of a cult that reaped havoc and killed millions..."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>97\nJapanese anime of 1940s full of anti American propaganda were a kino. Based on Mickey Mouse cartoons actually."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nand Hirohito"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>52\n*kneels out of respect*"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>92\nNo source because it never happened, 95% of anons on this website just gossip like faggots at the theater about something they saw posted once somewhere without evidence."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>unknown\nIt really does read like some bullshit propoganda made up by the winning regime for its founder 500 years ago."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>47\n>>69\nExplain."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nWhat is it referring to? Napoleon lived 200 years ago."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>85\nPretty sure it's referring to the Cristero War"}, {"id": 111, "content": "straight out of Monty Python sketch"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>108\nIt might've been some military psyop operation, I don't know if it was the CIA specifically but the US did something similar in South Vietnam - they'd play distorted recordings of people speaking Vietnamese claiming to be the ghosts of North Vietnamese soldiers that weren't buried properly to spook North Vietnamese soldiers at night"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJohn Money"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>76\nThat guy is the great grandfather of Scott Reiniger who starred in Dawn of the dead"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>55\n>The circumstantial and forensic evidence overwhelmingly point to Jim Conley.\nIt doesn't, this academic fraud created on the behalf of the ADL"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere do we even start?\n\nThe Phoebus cartel\nUnabomber was experimented on by the CIA\nKeynes advocated for government to raise taxes and saw government spending only as an emergency action\nCybersyn was so effective even the World Bank quietly admitted it outperformed all previously studied models\nPilot wave theory was discredited by a mathematical error that was undetected for decades, instead we ended up with Quantum field theory\nThe Turing test idea was basically a prelude to a gay man's suicide, arguably a suicide note given the context\nStatins drugs was key development was from a 1913 study finding that force feeding herbivores rabbits only high cholesterol gives them heart attacks\nSelective serotonin reuptake inhibitors drugs was a profit driven spinoff from allergy medication studies which found people on allergy medication had better mood than those without allergy medication\nThe X-33 was over 95% complete and would have changed spaceflight as we know it, but the director of NASA lobbied it to get canceled under grounds the new fuel tanks weren't ready. Older fuel tanks versions could have been used easily with some payload reduction\nJapan had a meeting planned to discuss surrender days before the nuke hit, the sheer volume of regular bombs made the nuke drop pointless and a total waste of money\nThe engineer of the navy's nuclear reactor warned strongly against adapting his pressurized water reactor designs to land based power plants as lack of cooling water was a critical flaw, safer molten salt tech was already available but we use pressurized water reactor\nPentagon Wars is label a HBO comedy movie, but if you talk to people involve off the record they'll say it's far more a factual documentary\nThe modern idea of gold having value was a Roman political scheme to pay off the military with worthless rocks to prevent a solider uprising\n\nMy life"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>unknown\n>casually makes multiple discoveries in the field of marine biology"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>13\n>Sees evidence against his viewpoint\n>Refuses to read it\nClassic lefty"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>65\nStalin was no fan of the private bank, but did need their help during WW2. Like most cases in history, the only regimes capable of fighting back against the bank were totalitarian ones. The bank obviously wanted Trotsky in power."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA child (Ismail I) who was heir to a religious cult (the Safavid sufi order) after his father and brother were killed emerged out of Gilan in Iran, became the leader of the safavids, avenged his father and brother and conquered the region and reformed the state of Iran 900 years after the fall of the Sassanids"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>116\n>My life\nI demand multiple sources liar."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>109\nWhen Napoleon escaped Elba and returned to France the re-instated Bourbons panicked and sent most of the army to destroy Nappy and his 700 guys he landed with. He met the army on the road, dismounted, and walked up to them unarmed, the entire army proceeded to throw down their weapons and re-proclaim his as true Emperor of France.\n\nHe rode all the way to Paris, the whole while every other regiment in the Royal Army proclaimed for him, with the ones near him flocking to join his column until Louis XVIII had no fighting men left and was forced to leave Paris and the country under cover of night before Nappy was even in Paris.\n\nI'm just saying you'd expect some North Korean to write something like that about Kim Il-Sung as a propoganda piece."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>116\n>The modern idea of gold having value\nWasn`t that Croesus?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>89\nHe was the inspiration for the man who would be king."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>117\nJotaro's career was inspired by Hirohito of all people?"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>121\nThe sheer number of times when I've tried to talk to people only to be called a liar.\n\nIf you look around back around 2014 you might find my old posting on 4chan where I was foolishly and naively trying to have a conversation and make friends mostly on /g/ or /b/. Yet every single time I talked about my life I was accused of creepypasta and shut down. Nobody believes my life, even in IRL and even when I have hard proof. It's such a complex mess I don't know where to being. Thankfully my life has gotten better, even if nobody believes me.\nMore generally I argue that I am a human and I have a life. But knowing how things go I'll just get called a A.I. or something.\n\nAs for proof I exist, well I want to avoid doxing myself again and even the US government isn't clear on if I exist or not. Turns out if your parents give you a long first, middle and last name you can get different truncation errors so none of your government identification matches. The result is hellish as you have to argue that you exist at all the time, which makes of all kinds of strange unbelievable life events fueled all the more by technically having a second non-US birth certificate. Also I strongly recommend based on personal experience against becoming good friends with a nuclear engineer in college who years later goes through the highest level nuclear weapons background check, you'll make every alphabet list without even knowing it. Not that I likely wasn't on them for something else years earlier given all the other stuff in my life."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>41\nThat only meets the first criterion"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>123\nNot familiar with Croesus, he may have done something earlier\n\nThe issue was that Roman empire started out with small states that got raided often, so they joined together and made a super powered military to stop all the attacks. This worked but left them with questions on what to do with such a large standing army. So they started conquering and growing, good expansion gains for years.\n\nAt some point the army was just too powerful and they were having trouble paying them, kind of a recurring problem for them really given how big their military was. There was a real fear the army would just resort to banditry or possibly a full on coup. So they made new tax code that people had to pay in gold then gave the soldiers the gold. This was economic genius as it outsource the allocation to the markets. Soldiers and citizens then started negotiating how to solve the problem. Ever party was very motivated to solve this. The soldiers didn't really care for the gold so they would just trade it for what they wanted. The citizens would trade for the gold as they needed it to avoid the high cost of failing to pay taxes. Failure to pay enough taxes with gold meant the government would send the military to get them, so they would likely die and the solider could just take everything that citizen had as payment which also would act as soldiers duties and payment to avoid unlawful banditry, after all a tax collection wasn't counted as it was government sanctioned. They even got clever and had the gold payments done in large sums at key sites, helping shape where and in what density the soldiers gathered. This would also shape where the economic booms would happen as trading would jump wherever a payment site was declared. After all nobody liked lugging gold around to far, but it could be moved if the government wanted.\nTo help keep this going they really pushed the idea of how valuable gold was.\n\nVery similar trick was done by Abraham Lincoln with Greenbacks"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\n>Also I strongly recommend based on personal experience against becoming good friends with a nuclear engineer in college who years later goes through the highest level nuclear weapons background check, you'll make every alphabet list without even knowing it. Not that I likely wasn't on them for something else years earlier given all the other stuff in my life.\nI was just kidding anon, but, oddly, I have a similar experience. An engineer friend with multiple clearances working for a defense contractor. But I have my own clearances, so I might be on lots of lists but my freedom hasn't been taken away yet. I'm sure they'd be thrilled I post on a Nicaraguan knitting forum. Keeping studying history my friend."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>76\n>>77\nThere's a surprising amount of similar stories from the 19th century\n>Charles Vyner Brooke, the \"White Rajah\" of Sarawak\n>Ambrosio Jose Gonzales, Cuban nationalist turned Confederate officer\n>Charles-Marie David de Mayrena, short-lived King of Sedang\n>William Walker, brief President of Nicaragua and Baja California"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nThanks\nThat freedom is one of the things I am thankful for. Despite how crazy things have gotten I've only be detained a day or two while they sort things out and eventually figure out I did nothing wrong each and every time. Although I think my pure law abiding honesty is why I get stopped so much.\n\nOne time while being questioned by homeland security I started lecturing them about the errors they had relating to explosive materials, all while in an airport. I didn't really think about how that might be seen as suspicious at the time. Downside was I missed my flight, the upside was I later noticed they updated their documentation with the corrections I pointed out. I like to think that those correction on chemistry was my contribution to national security. But I honestly was more annoyed at whoever wrote the earlier version, I mean they mixed up some key parts and as a chemist those kind of errors annoyed me. The second part of how to detect home made flash bangs materials is almost word for word what I told them, nice to know they listened. Just one of many tiny historical contributions in my life."}, {"id": 132, "content": "There’s like a 99% chance Frank did kill the girl, but Jews do everything they can say to say that’s not true using the weight of media and nearly no evidence. It’s an extremely similar tactic they use when they whine about their khazar heritage"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>62\nyou should print out photos of Mary Phagan and leave them around the theatre"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>24\n>the Mongols...their ships stopped moving...and the typhoon is heading right for them!"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>2\nThat didn't happen. She was a figurehead, she didn't fight."}, {"id": 136, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90or%C4%91e_Martinovi%C4%87_incident"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy the image in this pic invokes \"Fur Elise\" in my mind?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>122\nEh, he reclaimed his past title one way or another but you are saying \"Napoleon is like Kim il Sung\" holds water as i too liken him to post-revolution communist dictators."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">A weapons merchant of either Slavic or Frankish origin\n>Sees Slavic tribes in distress\n>He decides to help them defeat Avars\n>Becomes crowned as \"King of Slavs\" after his help\n>He helps them to defeat Franks\n>Frankish king had to wear Slavic clothes and walk on foot to his home to negotiate peace as a humiliation\n>Dies\n>The \"Kingdom of Slavs\" disappears from history\nReads like a Warband game"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>116\n>Japan had a meeting planned to discuss surrender days before the nuke hit, the sheer volume of regular bombs made the nuke drop pointless and a total waste of money\nIf I remember right, Hirohito was fully on board with surrender because of an imminent Soviet invasion. He knew he couldn't fight the US and Soviets at the same time and had seen what had happened to Berlin. At best, Japan would be partitioned.\nHowever the IJA had a coup (really it had already happened; the Emperor had next to no real power) and Hirohito was under house arrest, necessitating the nukes to force the IJA to surrender."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\nvillains listen to classical music trope"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>52\nHow many baby foreskins have you consumed?"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>140\n>If I remember right, Hirohito was fully on board with surrender because of an imminent Soviet invasion\nNope. The US had requested Japan's unconditional surrender before. But Hirohito and the rest of his inner circle feared the worst would happen to them in such a peace. He was actually banking on the Soviets to mediate a surrender in early 1945 because they had kept their neutrality up to that point. Once he received word back that they wouldn't budge, he basically just sat on his hands for the next couple of months. It wasn't until the nukes and the Soviet invasion started that he was spurred to accept the unconditional surrender."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>unknown\nJosef Pilsudski & Vladimir Lenin’s older brothers were involved together in a plot to assassinate the Tzar. Decades later the two would be at war with each other as leaders of their respective nations."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>12\n>>36\nThe term lynching was literally named after Colonel Charles Lynch who would hang British spies or Loyalists without a proper trial during the American Revolution."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>50\n>incompetent at everything\n\nHe accomplished more that you ever will."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>20\n>history\n>not celebrity bullshit\nstill. lucky bastard.\n>>106\nu jelly?"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>29\nare they retarded...?"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>94\nHirohito lived well into the 1980's."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>98\n>prince\n>minor"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>95\nback then a president actually had balls."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>126\nmy nigga.\ni have two long ass middle names.\ni just use one on my government ID2jh2s"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the 1980s, the Alawite Rifaat al-Assad slaughtered the Muslim Brotherhood at Tadmor prison and Hama in Syria. Rifaat al-Assad slaughtered tens of thousands of Sunni Muslim Brotherhood members in Hama. Sunni Bedouin tribes (Related to Saudi tribes) aided Rifaat al-Assad in his slaughter of the Muslim Brotherhood in Hama in 1982.\n\nRifaat was brother in law with Saudi Prince Abdullah (later King Abdullah), both of them married Syrian Sunni sisters. After Rifaat slaughtered the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, King Abdullah invited Rifaat al-Assad to go on umrah pilgrimage in Mecca and pray in the prophet's mosque in Medina multiple times and Rifaat kissed King Fahd and regularly met with Saudi royals.\n\nThis has nothing to do with MBS recently opening up Saudi Arabia and recent censoring Islamist clerics and scaling back morality police. This was back in the 1980s and 1990s (and King Abdullah helped Sisi massacre the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood later).\n\nSadam Hussein backed the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood in the 80s but Saddam banned the Iraqi Muslim Brotherhood. Saddam supported India against Pakistan and supported Milosević in Serbia and told Chechens they should not be fighting Russia and not get used by Americans.\n\nSaddam later negotiated with Assad in 1996 for a detente also reaching out to Iran via Assad telling them Turkey is the biggest threat to Iraq and Syria and they need to stop Turkey.\n\nSunni Bedouin tribes today still fight for Assad against rebels.\n\nWhy do these Sunni Islamists have such low IQ and get used as disposable pawns so easily by people who don't believe in their idelogy? Saddam used Syrian Muslim Brotherhood as proxy toilet paper pawns.\n\nSaudi Arabia celebrated deaths of Muslim Brotherhood."}, {"id": 2, "content": "oh no, chinkspammer just discovered realpolitik"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd so many dumb Islamists thought Saudi Arabia was with them until MBS and blame MBS for changing everything.\n\nSaudi Arabia always hated the Muslim Brotherhood decades ago and backed the Alawite Rifaat.\n\nSaudi princess Fahda married a Danish man decades ago when MBS wasn't wven born meanwhile no Saudi princess would marry an Iraqi Muslim Brotherhood supporting incel."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nMuslim Brotherhood also cries about Circassian genocide to get people to hate Russia.\n\nEvery single Circassian Sunni Muslims in Galilee are Zionists who serve the Israeli defense forces and most Circassians I'm Syria are with Assad against the Muslim Brotherhood.\n\nThese Sunni Islamists have a cuck fetish."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAl-Qaeda terrorist leader Aymenn al-Zawahiri (rest in hell) tried to appropriate Malcolm X in his propaganda presenting him as an Islamist.\n\nMalcolm X (after he left Nation of Islam and became a regular Sunni) openly supported the communist party of China praising China and Mao and supported black African Marxist revolutionary Mohamed Abdulrahman Babu who participated in the Zanzibar revolution, overthrowing Arab Muslim rule in Zanzivar resulting in mass rapes and slaughter of Arab settlers there by the black Africans.\n\nMalcolm X was never an Islamist. After he was kicked out of Nation of Islam and became Sunni he separated his religious activities from his political ones and created an all black political group forbidding non-blacks from joining (including Muslim non-blacks). He separated it from his mosque and religious work.\n\nMalcolm X would have supported China against Uyghur Islamists and Muslim Brotherhood.\n\nArab Sunni Islamists (Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda) have a cuck fetish trying to appropriate people who hate them. That's why they get Sarin gassed by Assad and slaughtered like pigs by Russia. They are naturally inferior, stupid and marked for extermination."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe african american boxer Muhammad Ali Clay also met Hafez al-Assad and held his portrait up (both before and after Hama 1982).\n\nMuslim Brotherhood cucks would try to claim him as one of theirs."}, {"id": 7, "content": "It must be the money. If you cant grt funds from a rich donor, youre gonna be nobodies. Guns, bombs, bribes, and propaganda all cost money. No money no honey"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause muslim breeding strategies dont require intelligence as they will beat you over time, regardless of if you bomb them or not and win the battle, the slack will be taken up elsewhere and they will come again when they have rebred the numbers. They have just come through the bloodiest century in islamic history and theres still at least a billion of them to zerg rush as they so desire."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Take a guess."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Iraqi and Syrian Sunni Islamists and Muslim Brotherhood also claim Timur was Shia (he was a Sunni Turco-Mongol) to cope with Timur sacking and raping Sunni Iraqis in Baghdad and Sunni Syrians in Aleppo and Damascus.\n\nThe cucks try to claim Central Asian Sunnis are their brothers (the Central Asian Turco-Mongols are their FATHERS) and put all the blame on Shia.\n\nBilal Abdul Kareem, African American journalist in Idlib has a harem of Syrian Sunni wives and he sent his nudes to Syrian Sunni women. Kazakh, Uzbek and Uyghur men are pumping and dumping Syrian Sunni Muslim Brotherhood and HTS women in Idlib as well."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMuslim Brotherhood also cucks for Azerbaijanis against Armenians.\n\nAzerbaijani are Zionist allies of Israel. Azerbaijani are Twelver Shia who build statues of Safavid Shah Ismail who sacked Baghdad, raping Iraqi Sunni girls and desecrated the grave of Sunni Imam Abu Hanifah. They claim Safavids as Azerbaijani Turk heroes.\n\nWords cannot describe the cuck fetish of Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda and other Arab Sunni terrorists from Iraq and Syria."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Timur was Shia (he was a Sunni Turco-Mongol)\nHe claimed descent from Ali, he claimed his motive was to avenge Ali, and he forced the Syrians to admit Ali was the only Caliph."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>He claimed descent from Ali,\n\nHe didn't do this.\n\n>he claimed his motive was to avenge Ali, and he forced the Syrians to admit Ali was the only Caliph.\n\nHe said he was avenging Hussein at the hands of the Umayyads and that Syrians were heirs of the Umayyads.\n\nHe was a Sunni and made up this excuse to rape Turco-Mongol blood into Sunni Arabs."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">Muslim Brotherhood also cucks for Azerbaijanis against Armenians\nmilktaco you do know what the religions of those areas are right"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nThe Azerbaijanis claim descent from Qizilbash Turkmen Shia who raped Sunni Arab Iraqi girls in Baghdad."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>He didn't do this.\nIts on his tomb you fucking retard"}, {"id": 17, "content": "https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12652978/#q12653027\n\n>>unknown >>unknown\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/bS072KmfzHGpDbQXa5T7-g/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12752388/#q12754007\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/user/milktaco/\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Iraqis\n\nhttps://twitter.com/ClassyArabic/status/1489302804829147137\n\nFun fact.\n\nThis Arab eunuch, ʿAmmār, in Norman service in Christian Sicily in the 12th century hid an actual secret message in his signature. The first part says:\nأشهد انا الفتى عمار وهذه علامتي\n=\"I testify that I am the man ʿAmmār and this is my signature\"\n(1/3)\n\n\nThis Chinese Skyscraper Boasts One of the World's Largest Man-Made waterfalls\n\nBurmese people according to George Orwell\n\nhttps://www.npr.org/2005/07/19/4761169/exploring-burma-through-george-orwell\n\nExploring Burma Through George Orwell\n\nhttps://www.shutterstock.com/search/china-dish\n\nsearch China dish royalty-free images\n\nThe subhuman Arab paedophile on /his/ like all Iraqi Arabs is an interracial mongrel, a result of half-Turk half-Mongol rape of Iraq through history.\n\nHe is \"forgotten4ever\" on reddit.\n\nniggerspammer, kikespammer, sandniggerspammer, chinkspammer, gookspammer, wogspammer, nipspammer"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>He was a Sunni and made up this excuse to rape Turco-Mongol blood into Sunni Arabs.\nNo he wasnt. You're retarded. His words and actions show he was some sort of shia."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChinkspammer what happened today?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Sunni clerics declared Shia are more infidel than Christians and that Shia are not protected by dhimmi pacts.\n\n>>16\nHe didn't do it retard, how could he inscribe his own tomb after he was dead? His descendants did it and Ali us the fourth caliph of Sunnism and many Sunnis claim to be Sayyid falsely."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYou're so retarded. He designed his own tomb."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>17\n>>18\n>>19\n>>20\nThis is the Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim paedophile suphamsulu forgotten4ever MyDolores Uracil_Goblin Iraqi_shitposter on reddit\n\nAntiMajoosUnit QutaybabnMuslim on Twitter\n\norgasm123456789 and barooo50 on powerbot\n\nThe Iraqi paedophile is obsessed with white girls, Vietnamese girls, Korean girls and Japanese girls and porn stars. Everything he says is projection."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\n>>22\nThis is the suicidal pedophile from an Iraqi Sunni Arab speaking family. He is a fan of dimashqee (Ahmed Bashir), another terrorist supporter.\n\nhttp://archive.is/klrCx http://archive.is/pcHwc http://archive.is/p0LAZ http://archive.is/c3Rbf http://archive.is/J5osY http://archive.is/ajcw6 http://archive.is/wITXe http://archive.is/ddRRp http://archive.is/6xo3R http://archive.is/AVIoS http://archive.is/jciGq http://archive.is/HcdTw http://archive.is/uAEbU http://archive.is/01mV2\n\nhttp://archive.is/kPV9d http://archive.is/swAZQ\nhttp://archive.is/https://www.reddit.com/user/corporatedemocrat\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://www.reddit.com/user/PalestinianBanker\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/asdfqwert9631\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/palibro_\n\nhttp://archive.is/ETItC\n\nhttp://archive.is/tzzFW\nhttp://archive.is/https://www.reddit.com/user/forgotten4ever/\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/QutaybabnMuslim\nhttps://archive.is/https://twitter.com/QutaybabnMuslim/with_replies\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/QutaybabnMuslim/media\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit\nhttps://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit/with_replies\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit/media\nhttp://archive.is/https://www.reddit.com/user/forgotten4everadobe/\nhttps://archive.is/https://www.reddit.com/user/MyDolores\nhttp://archive.is/https://www.powerbot.org/community/profile/536423-orgasm123456789/content/\nhttps://archive.is/https://www.powerbot.org/community/profile/536423-orgasm123456789/?do=content&type=forums_topic_post&change_section=1\nhttps://archive.is/E0Ql5\n\nhttps://archive.is/TMlMw\n\nhttps://archive.is/oOvKc\n\nhttps://archive.is/Sbhkl\nhttps://archive.is/pUo2B\nhttps://archive.is/5unGI#selection-1886.1-1935.5\nhttps://archive.is/OUbWp#selection-2855.0-2855.255\n\nhttp://archive.is/xpNkV#selection-3071.0-3075.589\n\nhttp://archive.is/b27vh#selection-3573.0-3578.0\n\nSwedish Arabic"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\nIraqi Arab Sunni pedophile in Sweden. Kristianstad and Gothenburg.\n\nThe Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim incel pedophile in Sweden frequently posted on /int/ here responding to someone calling him by his most infamous handle, SUPHAMSULU, that he used on the incels subreddit.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/int/thread/96909772/#q96910446\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/int/thread/96909772/#96910599\n\nThere is an Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim pedophile rapist in Sweden infamously known as barooo50 and forgotten4ever on reddit, orgasm123456789 on powerbot forum and AntiMajoosUnit and QutaybabnMuslim on twitter who works with dimashqee the ISIS rapist supporter. His dozens of accounts were banned on reddit and powerbot. He admitted to pedophilia and attempted rape. The Iraqi and Palestinian Sunnis hate Shias, Christians and white people.\n\nThe Iraqi pedophile goes all over reddit, 4chan and twitter defending the \"honor\" of Sunni Muslims and Arabs and is triggered by any comment insulting Sunnis and Arabs. He sent death threats to Muslim women dating non-Muslim white men and boasts that Europe will be conquered and white women all be raped by Sunni Muslims.\n\nLook them up in the 4chan archives especially forgotten4ever.\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\n\nHe has been talking to himself, arguing with his alter egos of different ethnicities and insulting those ethnicities with racial insults on reddit fand 4chan for years because he suffers from extreme insanity and schizophrenia. He hates white people, Indians, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Slavs, East Asians.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5496059/#q5497337\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5161562/#q5163642\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5511692/#q5515877\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5138416/#q5195214\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5138416/#q5195138\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5161562/#q5163787\n\nhttps://archive.is/nJK4x\n\nhttps://archive.is/ebyHz"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\nIraqi Arab Sunni paedophile in Sweden, AntiMajoosUnit and his opinion on Russians and Slavs.\n\nhttps://archive.is/SLQuI\n\n>Rumor is that crusaders will shit themselves upon seeing these men. Lions of Chechnya. Not once but twice they humiliated the dogs. First they collapsed their savage union then they humiliated Russia.\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/8mAgM\n\n>Friend i’d crack your head open. One punch and i’ll send you back to the times your women were concubines in the Sultan’s harem.\n\nhttps://archive.is/XUcGK\n\n>1. Remove that gay filter, you look horrendous. 2. Are you in love with your Russian abusers? Interesting considering you ”are” circassian, a people they genocided so the few remaining fled to Turkey. 3. SAA is the biggest terror organisation no doubt. 4. Turkey and KSA is coming\n\nhttps://archive.is/7S9Op\n\nScroll down\n\nhttps://archive.is/7S9Op\n\n>Based on? Don’t need to. The best whores are Christians, just visit Egypt and you’ll know. Heck, come to Syria.\n\n>How old are you? Go to Egypt, ask any Egyptian who the whores are, they’ll all tell you copts.\n\nhttps://archive.is/Hdaom\n\n>Please read 3.28 is ASSad a Muslim or not? He’s not. So don’t come bringing up the qur’an now you kaffir bin sharmuta.\n\nhttps://archive.is/bt7bz\n\n>I preach hate by telling you to stop supporting a kaffir scum in Syria that has murdered 600 000 Sunnis? If that’s a crime then lock me up or kill me. Because the only way for me to stop is if I get killed.\n\nhttps://archive.is/mdsmR\n\n>Fuck off kaffir. You are the biggest hypocrite and lowlife I have ever seen. You are not even the slightest Muslim. You keep retweeting anti-Islamic and fake propaganda against Islam. It’s not even you in the profile picture. You are an Islamophobe hiding as a Muslim girl.\n\nhttps://archive.is/Fa1Lj\n\n>Sheer numbers? Arabs were literally outnumbered in some numbers in ratios of 1:20 yet they assraped you weak cowards."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\nAn anti-Hindu, anti-Indian, Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim.\n\n>>unknown\n\nMeanwhile I can prove an Arab posted it.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#10272628\n\nhttps://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit/status/*\n\nhttps://archive.is/gRjXU\n\n>Pajeet, Sunnis are your masters. Remember Aurangzeb? He’s your master. What about Timur? Another one of your masters. Sunnis have humiliated you for so long it’s laughable even speaking to you.\n\nhttps://archive.is/zHddS\n\n>How every Shia terrorist will end up being.\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/8v1Sm\n\n>Indians are so much humiliated by us that you literally change history in order to seem like normal human beings and not slaves. Lie as much as you want, after all you were the slaves of Sunnis for 1000 years.\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/wSiN0\n\n>Let’s see what Pakistanis have achieved: Nukes,MBT’s, jet fighters, respectable special forces. Let’s see what the inbred Christi*ns have achieved: inbred, incest, problems. You are not worth the urine of a Pakistani.\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/iHTYq\n\n>You do kinda look like the maids in the Gulf though. Gulf people don’t deal with your shit though, they are succesful people who don’t care about people from third world shitholes.\n\n>I’d too be pissy 24/7 if my skin looks so\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/stcIQ\n\n>Mashallah what a lowlife she must be, married a kaffir, changed her religion and dressed like a prostitute. Hassan and Hussein is proud of you.\n\nhttps://archive.is/I3KoS\n\n>Most kuffar women have had sex with at least 5 men by 20 so no thank you. I’d visit a prostitute if I wanted a cheap woman.\n\nhttps://archive.is/kfy7G\n\n>Enver could maybe clear your eyes for you?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>13\n>He said he was avenging Hussein at the hands of the Umayyads and that Syrians were heirs of the Umayyads.\nLiterally a shia thing dumbass."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\nThe Iraqi paedophile tried to come up with a cover story on flashback forums when he got exposed by claiming the Uracil_Goblin picture was edited.\n\nExcept the edited version which the Iraqi photoshopped with Niggerkiller2000 appears LATER than the Uracil_Goblin version on both desuarchive and on the justpaste dumps\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.aco.an.c.cgl.d.fit.g.int.m.mlp.mu.q.qa.r9k.tg.trash.vr.wsg/image/TarzrqCaX_UCGyylIG1SCA/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/int/search/image/ctMWhZgzbAuK0fXoV3Cn1w/\n\nAnd the Niggerkiller2000 version has perfect computer font edited into the graph paper and part of his index finger is edited out, while the Uracil_Goblin one is the original and has the index finger in full form and is handwritten on the paper and not typed and edited in"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\n>>22\nAISHA IS A MURTRAD WHORE.\nnow >>19 answer me you yellow mental midget."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\nIraqi Arab Sunni paedophile in Sweden, forgotten4ever praises jihad against Russians.\n\nhttps://archive.is/chODI\n\nhttps://archive.is/aMc6w\n\nOne more for our Polish, Ukrainian and other Slavic bros on this deranged Iraqi in Sweden. He is singlehandedly responsible for over half the insults against Poles and Slavs on 4chan. He is the one boasting how Arabs and Muslims raped white people.\n\nIf you see people cursing Slavs, calling Poles as Polacks and talking about rape and slavery of Slavs on his, pol, or int, its him.\n\nThis is what he wrote on Poles, Ukrainians, Bulgarians and other Slavs on powerbot.\n\nhttps://archive.is/OUbWp#selection-2855.0-2858.0\n\n>>orgasm123456789\n>>BANNED\n>>Members\n\n>>unknown posts\n>>Report post\n>>Posted May 13, 2016 (edited)\n\n>>These are not muslims, these are either yazidis or christians, the ones we kill for fun, those are your christian brothers, you retarded polish scum, or theyre either gypsies, which is parallel to being a slav, you are a gypsy yourself you filthy polack.\n>>Edited May 13, 2016 by orgasm123456789\n\nhttp://archive.is/b27vh#selection-3125.0-3130.0\n\n>>orgasm123456789\n>>BANNED\n>>Members\n>>unknown posts\n>>Report post\n>>Posted February 25, 2016\n\n>>people like us were the ones hitler admired and on our demand killed 6 million jews, keep hating yourself you eastern euro trash, sieg heil and piece to those 4 million nazi soldiers that killed 40 million of you subhumans\n\n\n>>youre a bulgarian trash claiming to be austrian, just kill yourself please, also go read some history books, hitler looked up on arabs and aryans as the true master race, since youre a eastern euro trash i cant expect anything off your brain other than prostituting your woman for money. Maybe your grandparents were the victims of the marching nazi soldiers you eastern euro trash, who knows."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>The jews used to want to live with muslims that protected them rather with the barbaric christians, that is a fact, another fact is the matter that so many black americans converted to islam because there exists no racism there, i understand youre a hurt eastern euro trash though, nobody has ever enslaved the arabs, we are the masters of all slaves, we enslaved you white europeans, blacks, indians, chinese, and now were enslaving eastern euro trash.\n\nhttp://archive.is/Dw8cs#selection-3663.0-3668.0\n\n>>stop acting as if you are with the side of right wingers when you rape more girls than any other group in sweden and in england, filthy polack, long live stalin and hitler. stop coming to sweden to pick berries with your filthy hands no wonder the strawberry market went down as soon as you came to infest our plantations with your disgusting hands.\n\nhttp://archive.is/Dw8cs#selection-4359.0-4364.0\n\n>>napalm isnt used in hot areas you dumb polack scum, long live hitler for trying to wipe off you scum from this earth, you are so smelly dirty and disgusting, i havent claimed that i am european, you on the other hand, nobody likes you or your people keep sucking western dick in hope of getting validated, self hating scum."}, {"id": 32, "content": "forgotten4ever the Iraqi pedophile in Sweden tried to get an Indonesian Muslim woman murdered for sleeping with a white man.\n\nhttps://www.reveddit.com/v/islam/comments/6k46ld/do_not_let_the_public_image_of_a_muslimah_deceive/\nhttps://archive.is/Sbhkl\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/islam/comments/6k46ld/do_not_let_the_public_image_of_a_muslimah_deceive/djja3iv\n\n>She deserves to be shamed and named, everyone who wears burka but goes around to have sex with foreigners and put shame on the burka must be punished.\n\nhttps://archive.is/nVVtA\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/islam/comments/6k46ld/do_not_let_the_public_image_of_a_muslimah_deceive/\n>I've got nothing to work on, I am perfect as a muslim and human being, and I will do takfir on these dirty lowlives that wear burka on one hand and on the other have sex with white men despite being married, she deserves the death penalty, hell death would be too light for her.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/6k46ld/do_not_let_the_public_image_of_a_muslimah_deceive/djja3bm/\n\n>European prom is different to american one.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/6884888/#q6886858\n\nhttps://archive.is/aMc6w#selection-3459.0-3655.110\n\n>>[–]forgotten4ever -5 points 6 days ago\n>>Albanians do not have names such those. This is 99% an example of a white sexpat/fetischist \"converting\" to islam just for the Asian woman. Sad.\n\n>>[–]forgotten4ever -21 points 7 days ago*\n>>White male marrying a SEA woman. Disgusts me.\n>>Edit: It's not that I am being racist or anything, it's just that some cultures truly blow my mind. The self hate there is so strong, you never see an arab woman getting married out by sexpats, yet they are supposedly \"the most populated muslim country\" and at the same time notorious for being the second go-to spot for sexpats after Thailand.\n>The man in the picture probably cares nothing about Islam but most likely has a fetish for asian females. Sad.\n\nforgotten4ever knows Shams al-Saudi,sister of Saad al-Saudi in Kristianstad"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>17\n>>32\nThe Iraqi Arab Sunni Islamist incel pedophile's posts on reddit\n\nhttp://archive.is/tYk05\n\n>Hilarious how the same people who support Assad \"because he is the best choice\" are extremely anti Erdogan, despite Erdogan doing nothing but good for the Turkish people, boosting the economy by over 500%, increasing the HDI, increasing the lives for tens of millions of Turks. But the average Redditor with a PHD in Turkish history will give you his view and of course it is the right view. Because who cares if Turks are staring? As soon as they are \"SECULAR!!!111\" that's all that matter\n\nhttp://archive.is/NeCSF\n\n>The vlad method? When he was our bitch and we made his own brother kill him? Who occupied Romania for hundreds of years? What about the crusades? You ended up humiliated by Saladin and you ended up kissing the Turkish king's feet.\n>Im too up for another crusade, will you lose it just as horrible against the Mamluks and Turks? You can only massacre civilians, but when the Turks come, your army shivers like cowards and ends up being massacred.\n>Reading your post history you're just another one of the many spineless cowards that would gaze down at the floor at the sight of you seeing a Muslim.\n\n>After you've finished having your turns with your horse(that your government deems is absolutely legal) i'll just blow your head with a 7,63mm.\n\nHis favourite insult, calling Europeans \"white trash\" and bragging about Arabs viewing education as HIGH STATUS. This is the account he photo verified btw. >>24\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/sweden/comments/4yz7lp/åttaåring_död_i_lägenhetsexplosion/d6rqet7/\n>Eh de två sista delarna i argumentet äe helt felaktiga, i arabländer är utbildning status, EXTREMT HÖG STATUS. Kusingifte sker mycket lite, speciellt i urbaniserade delar, jag hoppas att din bild av araber som efterblivna grottmänniskor verkligen ändras. Försök att se dessa elaka bumbibjörnar som vad ni kallar white trash.\n\nEXTREMT HÖG STATUS."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\nThis is the connection between the accounts of the Iraqi Sunni pedophile rapist SUPHAMSULU. forgotten4ever posted one of his YouTube videos uploaded by his account yuuto3333 which also posted runescape videos.\n\nHe tried to raise money to meet a Japanese porn star Rie Tachikawa.\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/translator/comments/24maiv/i_need_help_japanese_to_english/\nhttps://archive.is/JCSnL\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/translator/comments/24maiv/i_need_help_japanese_to_english/\n\n>>[–]forgotten4ever (deleted by user)2 points4 years ago\n>>I am sorry but does it concern you if it's from a porno? It was a 2 hour long video so I cut it and uploaded with Youtube so the one who is trying to help me doesn't get uncomfortable. And to clear some things up from Sweden to Japan it's about 7000 kilometers or 5500 miles. And I will succed with this \"quest\" mark my words. I will return to you with a picture of her and I once im done. Thank you.\n\nhttps://archive.is/tIKbs\n\nhttps://archive.is/aD6UC\n\nHe begged justpaste to delete the info on his pedophilia, rape and insults against white people and begged imgur to delete his photos."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\nThe Iraqi paedophile talking about his fantasy to have sex with a Japanese porn star.\n\nhttps://archive.is/HwnZP#selection-79.0-79.43\n\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/tipofmypenis/comments/7fk8t7/japanese_babe_does_anal_whats_her_name/dqh3ljv/\n\nThe Iraqi pedophile has spoken.\nIraqi pedophile forgotten4ever insults against Tunisian atheist Foxodroid on reddit.\n(Scroll down on the page it isn't his first post)\nhttp://archive.is/yTXb5\n>Yeah try to suck the western dick some more. You sure enjoyed when the French raped your nation and sold your women on the streets like cattle, it's after them you are getting your \"liberation\" from right?\n>Seems to be some sort of Stockholm Syndrome with Tunisians, their nation was raped, colonized and hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the west and now they have this mental retardation of them trying to be them for some reason.\n>Oh and you are talking about prostitution and how Muslims are the awful ones?\n>What is your obsession with rape and pedophilia? Did your father or uncle rape you as a baby? Are your parents usually having sex with you? That's some unhealthy obsession.\n\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1286444-i-am-having-a-date-tomorrow-monday-any-tips-to-treat-m39lady-with-utter-respect/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-15612104\n\n>actually since youre a swedish homofag who probably is getting penetrated by his dad as im writing this, tell me where you are in sweden, lets meet up, im in karlskrona atm with a couple of friends (rip you never had those) we're doing some business for my uncles company so im free for 4 days, lets meet up anywhere in sweden and ill make sure to leave you crippledd"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\nMore on the Iraqi paedophile.\n\nLook who is obsessed with Hui Muslims and talking to himself. He is obsessed with larping as Asian in order to get Japanese and Korean girlfriends.\n\nhttps://archive.is/6DANr\n\nhttps://archive.is/kH9u7\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6vtfgc/china_loudspeakers_from_mosques_removed_in/dm3ne8n/\n\n>The most prestigious Chinese generals and warriors have often been Muslim.\n\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/tipofmypenis/comments/7fk8t7/japanese_babe_does_anal_whats_her_name/dqh3ljv/\n\nLook up the exact username mentioned there\n\nhttp://archive.is/pVEJl#selection-197.0-202.0\n\n>spain was an off-spring arab country for like 600 years, hilarious kek\n\nhttp://archive.is/hhDzr\n\n>Both of them are really defending people, especially chechens who kicked russias ass, respect to both!\n\nHe said the Portuguese were Arabs on this thread.\n\nhttps://archived.moe/his/thread/4887026/#4889747\n\nhttps://archive.is/6DANr#selection-2716.0-2716.3\n\nhttps://archived.moe/his/thread/4887026/#q4890299\n\n>The portugese are arab anyway it would be like crying about one arab tribe attacking the other.\n\nHe posted about raping European women on both websites and he said he personally did it.\n\nThe Iraqi admitted to rubbing his penis into a baby girl's face when her parents weren't looking."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\nThe Iraqi pedophile pretended to be Chechen Muslim and Hui Chinese Muslim for years on different websites. He is obsessed with pretending to be a Chechen and Hui because he thought it would get him an Asian girl and white girl.\n\nHis accounts on reddit were obsessed with Hui Muslims and he photo verified the account.\n\nhttps://archive.is/HCj6U\n\nyou can recognize his posts from a kilometre away\n\nhttps://archive.is/6DANr\nHe rubbed his penis on a baby girl's face.\n\nhttps://archive.is/kH9u7#selection-713.272-713.277\n\nThe Iraqi pedophile impersonated Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos and insults his imaginary alter egos from other ethnicities but accidently doxxed his own photo.\n\n\nThis schizophrenic bipolar Iraqi incel pedophile hates seeing white men with asian women like Indonesians and Koreans and Japanese because he lusts after asian women, especially Japanese and Korean.\n\nScroll down and view his pedophile subreddit to see \"Enough.\", \"Every living ASIAN female with an intact hymen that also possesses a lolita build deserves nothing but a man like me.\", \"I think I might have went too far today\", \"My sister found out about my secret\", \"I am the closest a man can come to total suffering\", \"A question to the ladies... though I have made my mind up.\".\n\nHe threw a latte at Asian women on the streets of Sweden. This Iraqi admits to being a pedophile who wants to rape an Asian baby girl.\n\nhttp://archive.is/YvHfh\n\nThe Iraqi is a child molesting incel and a threat to all women."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>37\nIraqi pedophile in Sweden posts against white Europeans and Christians\n\nhttp://archive.is/NeCSF\n>[–]forgotten4ever -2 points 15 hours ago*\n>The vlad method? When he was our bitch and we made his own brother kill him? Who occupied Romania for hundreds of years? What about the crusades? You ended up humiliated by Saladin and you ended up kissing the Turkish king's feet.\n>Im too up for another crusade, will you lose it just as horrible against the Mamluks and Turks? You can only massacre civilians, but when the Turks come, your army shivers like cowards and ends up being massacred.\n>Reading your post history you're just another one of the many spineless cowards that would gaze down at the floor at the sight of you seeing a Muslim.\n>[–]forgotten4ever 1 point 3 hours ago\n>>After you've finished having your turns with your horse(that your government deems is absolutely legal) i'll just blow your head with a 7,63mm.\n\nhttp://archive.is/aHC46\n>[–]forgotten4ever -12 points 1 year ago\n>The FSA is still standing strong, it is in Turkey held positions, don't tell me I don't know what is going on in my own home. I would prefer an Al-nusra rule to Assad any day of the week, Assad has done atrocities 1000x worse than them. The \"minorities\" is being used as Russian and Iranian propaganda, good to see it has came to get into your head.\n\nhttp://archive.fo/tYk05\n>[–]Uracil_Goblin (deleted by user)-15 points6 months ago\n>Hilarious how the same people who support Assad \"because he is the best choice\" are extremely anti Erdogan, despite Erdogan doing nothing but good for the Turkish people, boosting the economy by over 500%, increasing the HDI, increasing the lives for tens of millions of Turks. But the average Redditor with a PHD in Turkish history will give you his view and of course it is the right view. Because who cares if Turks are staring? As soon as they are \"SECULAR!!!111\" that's all that matters"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>38\nThe suicidal mentally ill Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim pedophile in Sweden samefagging with three of his accounts forgotten4ever, Iraqi_shitposter and Uracil_Goblin (verified) talking about his fantasies with a kpop star\n\nhttp://archive.is/r8MLK\n\nUracil_Goblin asked where to find the drugs modafinil and adderal in Sweden.\n\nhttp://archive.is/ddRRp\nHis barooo50 account cheered on the Taliban for killing an American soldier.\n\nhttp://archive.is/J5osY#selection-2591.0-2613.105\n\nhttp://archive.is/uxnsv\n\nhttps://reddit.dynu.net/user/Uracil_Goblin/\n\n>Uracil_Goblin\n>But gentlemen, you lost all crusades except one and your king had to kiss the turk's feet before losing all of Anatolia\n\nhttp://archive.is/iLngw\n\nhttps://reddit.dynu.net/r/truerateme/?after=t3_6wm4y7\n\n>[19m] your average swedish male in 2050 god willing(imgur.com)\n>Uracil_Goblin\n\nhttp://archive.is/9OC2g\n\nhttps://boreddit.com/t/greentext/2016/3\n\n>anon gets exposed (imgur)\n>score: 995 comments: 15 Uracil_Goblin\n\nhttps://archive.is/J0dvv\n\nhttp://i.imgur.com/U4aFaj8.png\n\nhttps://pholder.com/u/uracil_goblin\n\nhttps://snew.notabug.io/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/50bzkc/honestly_not_even_sure_what_to_title_this/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/50bzkc/honestly_not_even_sure_what_to_title_this/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/50bzkc/honestly_not_even_sure_what_to_title_this/"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>17\n>>38\n>>39\nWhy do pedophiles like this Iraqi Sunni Arab ISIS and Al-Qaeda Nusra supporter suphamsulu in Sweden run their mouths when talking big and threatening but try to hide their faces like pussies? What did he say about pussies after challenging a white Swede to fight in Gothenburg (Göteborg)?\n\nhttp://archive.is/S1BjC#selection-323.0-325.0\n\nhttp://archive.is/8mAgM\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/Cu44X#selection-1326.0-1326.1\n\nhttp://archive.is/7tCTV\n\nThe Iraqi Sunni Arab pedophile running his mouth off against Slavs, Eastern Europeans, Yazidis, and Christians.\n\nhttp://archive.is/xbVUx#selection-2810.0-2810.1\n\nhttp://archive.is/lwgLp#selection-2444.0-2444.1\n\nhttp://archive.is/xpNkV#selection-3070.0-3070.1\n\nhttp://archive.is/b27vh#selection-4480.0-4480.1\n\nhttp://archive.is/IbcfW#selection-2512.0-2512.1\n\nHe begged powerbot to unban him so he could in order for him to trade more runescape gold.\n\nhttp://archive.is/2C3jj#selection-1151.1-1156.0\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1339706-ban-appeal/\n\nThis Iraqi Sunni Arab pedophile knows the sister of Iraqi runner Saad Alsaud in Kristianstad Sweden.\n\nhttps://archive.is/sIarT\nhttps://www.reveddit.com/r/europe/comments/4tjs1e/german_train_axe_attacker_had_is_flag/d5iqksy/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/europe/comments/4tjs1e/german_train_axe_attacker_had_is_flag/d5iqksy/\n\nHe most likely lives in or spends most of his time in Gothenburg since that is where he attacked two Asian women as he admitted on suphamsulu.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/suphamsulu/comments/66ssxd/i_think_i_might_have_went_too_far_today/\n\nHis account barooo50 complained about chat restrictions he received on league of legends for harassment.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2h7qu0/i_have_53k_chatrestriction_ama_wont_flame_u/\n\nhttp://archive.is/Mdmu5#selection-2482.0-2482.1\n\nIf you are being harassed on runescape or league of legends by someone who hates white people and non-Muslims you know who is behind it now"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\nmore from the Iraqi Sunni Arab pedophile who pretends to be a Turk while insulting non-Muslims and white people.\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/5dc3f7/kemalist_revolution_summed_up_in_one_picture/\n\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/5dc3f7/kemalist_revolution_summed_up_in_one_picture/\n\n[–]forgotten4ever-44 points1 years ago\n\"arabic alphabet\" just to cuck themselves and use the latin alphabet, never seen a nation that got cucked so hard by one man, those people, whom use the latin alphabet massacred turks in war after war and this guy labels it as \"trash\"\n\nhttps://snew.github.io/r/Turkey/comments/4t4b1r/stop_the_hatred_between_arabs_and_turks_there_is/d5ehud4/\n\n>Id say saudi arabia , uae, qatar kuwait are paradise compared to turkey, but alright, again the stupid kemalist is letting his stupidity go off.\n\nHe referred to Turks as Mongoloid barbarians.\n\nhttp://archive.is/wITXe#selection-1330.0-1330.3\n\n[–]Iraqi_shitposter (deleted by user)1 point1 years ago\nGood, you filthy mongoloid inbred barbarians.\n\nThis Iraqi pedophile pretended to be a Turk or part Turkmen in real life, on reddit and on twitter. On real life he admitted on 4chan.\n\nhttp://archive.li/ajcw6#selection-3176.0-3176.3\n\nOn twitter\n\nhttp://archive.li/thwxL#selection-4439.0-4439.45\n\non powerbot\n\nhttps://archive.is/Z5lRW\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1311965-you-know-you39re-14-years-old-when/?do=findComment&comment=16022844\n\nHe loves calling people retarded since he can't control his emotions.\n\nhttps://archive.is/TwEJq\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1290697-breaking-news-multiple-simultaneous-terrorist-attacks-in-paris/?do=findComment&comment=15678575"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>41\nThe suicidal mentally ill Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim pedophile in Sweden samefagging with three of his accounts forgotten4ever, Iraqi_shitposter and Uracil_Goblin (verified) talking about his fantasies with a kpop star\n\nhttp://archive.is/r8MLK\n\nUracil_Goblin asked where to find the drugs modafinil and adderal in Sweden\n\nhttp://archive.is/ddRRp\nHis barooo50 account cheered on the Taliban for killing an American soldier.\n\nhttp://archive.is/J5osY#selection-2591.0-2613.105\n\nhttp://archive.is/uxnsv\n\nhttps://reddit.dynu.net/user/Uracil_Goblin/\n\n>Uracil_Goblin\n>But gentlemen, you lost all crusades except one and your king had to kiss the turk's feet before losing all of Anatolia\n\nhttp://archive.is/iLngw\n\nhttps://reddit.dynu.net/r/truerateme/?after=t3_6wm4y7\n\n>[19m] your average swedish male in 2050 god willing(imgur.com)\n>Uracil_Goblin\n\nhttp://archive.is/9OC2g\n\nhttps://boreddit.com/t/greentext/2016/3\n\n>anon gets exposed (imgur)\n>score: 995 comments: 15 Uracil_Goblin\n\nhttps://archive.is/J0dvv\n\nhttp://i.imgur.com/U4aFaj8.png\n\nhttps://pholder.com/u/uracil_goblin\n\nhttps://snew.notabug.io/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/529b17/anon_is_in_trouble/\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/50bzkc/honestly_not_even_sure_what_to_title_this/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/50bzkc/honestly_not_even_sure_what_to_title_this/\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/50bzkc/honestly_not_even_sure_what_to_title_this/"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\nMore of the Iraqi Sunni Arab pedophile in Sweden's lunacy and where he said he wanted to rape children and be a pedophile. He accuses other people on reddit of being molested by their fathers, obsessed with rape and being pedophiles as projection of his own desires so he was probably molested by his father which is why he is a suicidal pedophile incel now.\n\nhttp://archive.is/yjf4p\n\nhttp://archive.is/AVIoS\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\nhttps://archive.is/2ujf4\n\nThe Iraqi pedophile pretended to be able to speak Russian and visit Chechnya on powerbot. He only knows a few words and has never been to Chechnya. He accuses other people of pretending to speak languages they can't which is more projection by him. He isn't even good at Arabic and he read wikipedia to get better at it. He is obsessed with Shamil Basayev and Japanese porn actresses. He accuses others of having a 4chan pass so that means he probably brought one since he admitted to spending all his free time on 4chan, reddit, league of legends and runescape."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>43\n>>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\nMore of the Iraqi Sunni Arab pedophile in Sweden's lunacy and where he said he wanted to rape children and be a pedophile. He accuses other people on reddit of being molested by their fathers, obsessed with rape and being pedophiles as projection of his own desires so he was probably molested by his father which is why he is a suicidal pedophile incel now.\n\nhttp://archive.is/yjf4p\n\nhttp://archive.is/AVIoS\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\nhttps://archive.is/2ujf4\n\nThe Iraqi pedophile pretended to be able to speak Russian and visit Chechnya on powerbot. He only knows a few words and has never been to Chechnya. He accuses other people of pretending to speak languages they can't which is more projection by him. He isn't even good at Arabic and he read wikipedia to get better at it. He is obsessed with Shamil Basayev and Japanese porn actresses. He accuses others of having a 4chan pass so that means he probably brought one since he admitted to spending all his free time on 4chan, reddit, league of legends and runescape."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\nThe Iraqi once posted here on years ago 4chan that he got exposed in school for listening to K-pop. He reposted it to reddit as uracil_goblin. He said his height is 6 feet 6 inches and he was born in 1998.\n\nhttps://removeddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://removeddit.com/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttps://snew.github.io/r/greentext/comments/5bunvx/anon_gets_exposed/\n\nhttp://i.imgur.com/U4aFaj8.png\n\nhttps://pholder.com/u/uracil_goblin/\n\nHe whined on reddit and powerbot how girls wouldn't date him.\n\nhttps://www.deeperdates.com/single-post/2017/05/11/Asked-girl-out-and-got-rejected-or-did-I\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1307363-got-the-girls-snapchat-accidently-screenshot-a-pic-now-she-blocked-me/\n\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/translator/comments/24maiv/i_need_help_japanese_to_english/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/24e42p/me_16_m_with_my_21_f_how_can_i_get_contact_with_a/\n\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/relationships/comments/32lv47/me_17m_will_meet_a_girl_i_like_tomorrow_how_do_i/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/32lv47/me_17m_will_meet_a_girl_i_like_tomorrow_how_do_i/\n\nHe is obsessed with the Chechen insurgent leader Shamil Basayev. The last eight versions archived of his twitter account AntiMajoosUnit show Shamil Basayev in the header.\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit\n\nhis orgasm123456789 on powerbot is obsessed with Shamil Basayev.\n\nhttp://archive.is/P9gIq#selection-1525.73-1525.115"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\nOn reddit the Iraqi's SUPHAMSULU2 accounted attempted to live vicariously through Chechen mujahideen and threaten white people that Chechens would conquer them.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6lt33y/rhapas_randomly_starts_arguing_about_whether_or/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6lt33y/comment/djwzw3n/\n\nhttps://www.unddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6lt33y/rhapas_randomly_starts_arguing_about_whether_or/\n\nhttps://archive.is/udQRF\n\nhttps://www.reveddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6lt33y/rhapas_randomly_starts_arguing_about_whether_or/\n\nhttps://archive.is/ZcX77"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\nThis Iraqi pedophile admitted he knows the sister of the runner Saad Al--saudi who appeared in the news. (Saad and his sister are in Kristianstad).\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7942563/#q7945605\n\n\nhttps://www.kristianstadsbladet.se/kristianstad/man-har-bara-sett-bilden-och-rubriken-och-delat-artikeln/\n\nhttps://www.eniro.se/saad+nabil+odeh+al-saudi+g%C3%A4rds+k%C3%B6pinge/107175365/person\n\nhttps://mrkoll.se/person/Khalda-Aouda-Nzal-Al-Saudi-Nsbychaussn-88-Kristianstad/mUxamUxapuhQcYfrulaTulaTkyqRaQcYfrkyqRaQsqqkcYfrcYfr\n\nhttps://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/falsk-bild-smutskastar-ensamkommande\n\n\nThe sister of Saad is Shams Nabil Odeh Alsaudi.\n\nhttps://www.hitta.se/shams+nabil+odeh+al+saudi/g%C3%A4rds+k%C3%B6pinge/person/~SSlwUJJJ7\n\n\nThis is where the Al-Saudi family lives and Shams works in the beauty parlour business\n\nhttps://www.allabolag.se/981212IKGI/al-saudi-shams-nabil-odeh\n\nhttps://www.infobel.com/sv/sweden/al_saudi_shams_nabil_odeh/kristianstad/SE101545105/businessdetails.aspx\n\n\nhttps://www.hittahundvakt.se/Hundvakt/1507/Kristianstad/hundvakt\n\nhttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/3404644\n\nhttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/3404516\n\nAnton Olsson Aasen och Shams Al-Saudi tävlade för Parkskolan. Foto: Magnus Mosén/SR Kristianstad\n\nAnton Olsson Aasen and Shams Al-Saudi competed for Parkskolan. Photo: Magnus Mosén/SR Kristianstad"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\nSee this >>47 on Saad al-Saudi. This is a picture of Shams al-Saudi from 2010 in Kristianstad, Sweden.\n\nhttps://www.hittahundvakt.se/Hundvakt/1507/Kristianstad/hundvakt\n\nhttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/3404644\n\nhttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/3404516\n\nAnton Olsson Aasen och Shams Al-Saudi tävlade för Parkskolan. Foto: Magnus Mosén/SR Kristianstad\n\nAnton Olsson Aasen and Shams Al-Saudi competed for Parkskolan. Photo: Magnus Mosén/SR Kristianstad"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\nAny Assyrian Christians and Coptic Christians in Sweden here should see what he wrote in his Twitter accounts to Assyrians and Copts and Middle Eastern Christians in general. He said all prostitutes in Egypt are Copts and prostitutes in Iraq are Assyrians. Is he brave enough to talk shit like this in public in Sweden?\n\nhttps://archive.is/vLPsT#selection-4835.0-4835.184\n\n>>Umar @AntiMajoosUnit · 1h1 hour ago\n\n>>Replying to @velosmey\n>>Are you Estonian or Greek? Because I remember back in Iraq you were lower than dirt, the cheapest prostitutes would be Assyrian or Chaldean. Just like the cheapest are Coptic in Egypt.\n>>unknown reply 0 retweets 1 like\n\nhttps://archive.is/Cgizv#selection-3263.0-3263.143\n\nhttps://archive.is/cPvgC#selection-3983.0-3983.94\n\n>>Umar @AntiMajoosUnit · 1h1 hour ago\n\n>>Replying to @arathebeautiful >>@velosmey\n>>How old are you? Go to Egypt, ask any Egyptian who the whores are, they’ll all tell you copts.\n>>unknown reply 0 retweets 0 likes\n\nhttps://archive.is/5unGI#selection-1886.1-1935.5\nhttps://imgur.com/a/Mpw64\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/8mAgM\nhttps://archive.is/uZu1E#selection-9971.0-10010.1\nhttp://archive.is/rjyXv#selection-1799.0-1799.95\nhttps://archive.is/5unGI\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/QutaybabnMuslim\n\nhttps://archive.is/https://twitter.com/QutaybabnMuslim/with_replies\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/QutaybabnMuslim/media\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit\n\nhttps://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit/with_replies\n\nhttp://archive.is/https://twitter.com/AntiMajoosUnit/media\n\nAnd Hazara Shias in Sweden as well, see what he wrote about Hazaras.\n\nhttps://archive.is/pUo2B\n\nshia\n\nshiite\n\nshiites"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>49\nWhy does this Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab incel child pornographer pedophile in Sweden accuse all his enemies on reddit, powerbot and 4chan of being raped by their fathers?\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1286444-i-am-having-a-date-tomorrow-monday-any-tips-to-treat-m39lady-with-utter-respect/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-15612104\n\n>actually since youre a swedish homofag who probably is getting penetrated by his dad as im writing this, tell me where you are in sweden, lets meet up, im in karlskrona atm with a couple of friends (rip you never had those) we're doing some business for my uncles company so im free for 4 days, lets meet up anywhere in sweden and ill make sure to leave you crippledd\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1283493-why-are-there-no-longer-porn-naked-pics-being-posted-here-like-the-good-old-days/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-15567687\n\n>sweden sure does have good welfare, thats why white trash like you are even alive\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/europe/comments/4tjs1e/german_train_axe_attacker_had_is_flag/d5iqksy/\n>[–]forgotten4ever\n>This article is an absolute scandal and dailyshit should be sued for using it, I know the guys sister and they live in Kristianstad sweden\nhttp://archive.is/yTXb5\n\n>Yeah try to suck the western dick some more. You sure enjoyed when the French raped your nation and sold your women on the streets like cattle, it's after them you are getting your \"liberation\" from right?\n>Seems to be some sort of Stockholm Syndrome with Tunisians, their nation was raped, colonized and hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the west and now they have this mental retardation of them trying to be them for some reason.\n>Oh and you are talking about prostitution and how Muslims are the awful ones?\n\n>What is your obsession with rape and pedophilia? Did your father or uncle rape you as a baby? Are your parents usually having sex with you? That's some unhealthy obsession."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\nShia Muslims and Middle Eastern Christians all recognized this Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab pedophile's accounts on twitter when he was exposed. That Jordanian Christian AbuUrdon and Shia AnarchioKhomeini were harassed by this pedophile for a long time under his AntiMajoosUnit account.\n\nhttps://archive.li/l7DYN"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>51\nIraqi Sunni paedophile's Twitter posts.\nhttps://archive.is/cKEYC\n\n>Until Isis appears, then you will shit yourselves simultaneously as you are crying.\n\nhttps://archive.is/CnZnY\n\n>Cnn? I am from the middle east you dumb shit. Care about your subhuman living standards rather than us. And I laugh as rich Gulf Arabs go to Latin America for cheap prostitution.\n\nhttps://archive.is/qBZbZ\n\n>Mehdi is an equal piece of shit. He’s defending ASSad in Syria due to his natutal allegiance to Hezbollah/Iran. (He’s Shia.)\n\nhttps://archive.is/xUCgQ\n\n>You are viewing things through Russian propaganda, I have visited and seen Syria and Syrians with my own eyes. You haven’t ever spoken with a Syrian, so please shut the fuck up and enjoy your miserable lives in the favelas. Syria won’t be a shithole like your country.\n\nhttps://archive.is/odV6f\n\n>Every Palestinian knows that you savage barbarians will detonate and shit over the Al-Aqsa mosque if you ever get your hands over it. Ask any Palestinian, they will cringe at the mention of Iran.\n\nhttps://archive.is/iHTYq\n\n>You do kinda look like the maids in the Gulf though. Gulf people don’t deal with your shit though, they are succesful people who don’t care about people from third world shitholes.\n\n>I’d too be pissy 24/7 if my skin looks so\n\nhttps://archive.is/T7ezL\n\n>Massacre Sunnis, install spies, terrorize them, rape their women and children. Nobody buys your shit. The ”oppressio” of the so called minorities just started appearing after Russia entered the war, strangely!\n\nhttps://archive.is/6VTMr\n\n>Palestinians themselves spit at any Shia, mention shias around them ans they will instantlyn change. Nobody buys your shit.\n\nhttps://archive.is/wNYcF\n\n>Muslims are the ones fighting so you still can pray to Allah and live a Muslim life without fearing for your life.\n\n>Not kaffir tyrants that Shia rats will support because of their hatred of Sunnis"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>52\nSaad al-Saudi's father. Saad has a mercedes at the house.\n\nhttps://www.ratsit.se/19551015-Nabil_Odeh_Nazal_Al_Saudi_Gards_Kopinge/d3QOoOcB9t2gtfmLns-NCZzK-SMqoJyQqbYpOqppjm8\n\nMore from the Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim Islamist child molestor.\n\nhttps://archive.is/I3KoS\n\n>Most kuffar women have had sex with at least 5 men by 20 so no thank you. I’d visit a prostitute if I wanted a cheap woman.\n\nhttps://archive.is/wSiN0\n\n>Let’s see what Pakistanis have achieved: Nukes,MBT’s, jet fighters, respectable special forces. Let’s see what the inbred Christi*ns have achieved: inbred, incest, problems. You are not worth the urine of a Pakistani.\n\nhttps://archive.is/6oeUj\n\n>The filth supporting ASSad from the west know they are powerless at home, as Muslims freely practice their religion. So they rage and laugh at Muslims being massacred in Syria. But this picture fills every single one of them with rage, and me with joy. :) #assad #russia #saa\n\n>@TexanAnglo How do you feel? Is the rage building up?\n\nhttps://archive.is/A2BiV\n\n>There we go, got you triggered. Stay shit. Muslims are invading Spain once again :)\n\nhttps://archive.md/iBbDT\n>I’d tie you by the neck and make you my alawi dog :) You alawi scum are the biggest cowards. Remember when rebels fucked you up so you had to sell out Syria to Putin?\n\nhttps://archive.is/WAz4N\n\n>You are dogs, don’t you remember your status?\n\nhttps://archive.is/GCamW\n\n>Since when was it allowed for a Muslim to align themselves with the kuffar over Muslim fellows? Don’t try to tell me anything when you contradict the fundamentals of Islam.\n\n> Sides with a kaffir against Muslims in Syria. No matter what you do you’re still a hypocrite munafiq."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>53\nSaad Alsaudi majored in science.\n\nhttp://web.archive.org/web/20160204192251/https://www.kristianstadsbladet.se/kristianstad/man-har-bara-sett-bilden-och-rubriken-och-delat-artikeln/\n\n>Saad Alsaudi, 19, lade idrottskarriären på hyllan efter en knäskada. Nu pluggar han sista året på naturvetenskapliga programmet i Kristianstad.\n\n>Saad Alsaudi, 19, put his sports career on hold after a knee injury. He is now in his final year of the science program in Kristianstad.\n\nThe Iraqi paedophile majored in science.\n\nThis Iraqi pedophile incel confessed his plans to drug and date rape an Asian woman on the incel forum.\n\nhttps://archive.is/6GNuS#selection-2861.1-2861.61\n\n>I majored in scientific studies and was a wannabe lab-rat, i'm sure I could read a bit about benzos and try to figure something out. Alternatively I could pretend to have troubles sleeping and get some prescription drugs.\n\nMyDolores Uracil_Goblin\n\nhttp://archive.is/pUo2B#selection-1244.0-1244.1\n\n>Ill just go to either Vietnam or Thailand this summer and i'll see how many asian whores i can fuck, they want a strong 6'4 buff arab guy, not some pathetic scrawny small little chink, just accept it, you are the caucasian mans playground, we come to have sex with your wives, beat them, urinate on them, defecate on them and your mouths are smiling wide and accepting it.\n\n>buff arab guy\n\n>Afghan refugees especially the ladyboy hazaras are among the weakest and most feminine boys I have ever seen, no DOUBT. Sad! The brave pashtun stay in their homelands and defend it against the invaders whilst the hazaras go to Sweden and dress like the feminine boys they are.\n\nHe posted his photo on this pedophile account\n\nhttps://archive.is/5unGI#selection-1895.0-1935.5\n\nThis is his pedophile subreddit run by his other account\n\nhttp://archive.is/YvHfh"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\nThis is Shams al-Saudi which the Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim Islamist terrorist child molestor says he knows in Kristianstad, the sister of Saad al-Saudi. >>32 >>47 >>48 >>53 >>54\n\n>>unknown >>unknown >>unknown >>unknown >>unknown\n\n>>unknown >>unknown >>unknown >>unknown >>unknown\n\nhttps://www.hittahundvakt.se/Hundvakt/1507/Kristianstad/hundvakt\n\nhttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/3404644\n\nhttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/3404516\n\nAnton Olsson Aasen och Shams Al-Saudi tävlade för Parkskolan. Foto: Magnus Mosén/SR Kristianstad\n\nAnton Olsson Aasen and Shams Al-Saudi competed for Parkskolan. Photo: Magnus Mosén/SR Kristianstad"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\n>>55\nSaad Al-saudi سعد السعودي\n\nShams al-Saudi شمس السعودي\n\nhttps://twitter.com/HolmstrmAnders/status/518863561150701569\n\nhttps://www.hitta.se/saad+nabil+odeh+al+saudi/g%C3%A4rds+k%C3%B6pinge/person/hzT2ww---v\n\nhttps://www.ratsit.se/19960610-Saad_Nabil_Odeh_Al_Saudi_Gards_Kopinge/ENP_tUf6YdZykSI4YNURsynuMgAzZjcpde9IuOKPLUk\n\nhttps://www.eniro.se/saad+nabil+odeh+al-saudi+g%C3%A4rds+k%C3%B6pinge/107175365/person\n\nhttps://www.birthday.se/Saad-Nabil-Odeh-Al-Saudi/G%C3%A4rds-K%C3%B6pinge/1996/a0c846f526\n\nhttps://www.merinfo.se/person/G%C3%A4rds%20k%C3%B6pinge/Saad-Nabil-Odeh-Al-Saudi-1996/bvtpe-4qun5\n\nhttps://mrkoll.se/person/shams-nabil-odeh-al-saudi-johanna-gadds-vag-1-gards-kopinge/mUxacYfrmUxacYfrmUxamUxabTAQmcYfrkyqRaQkyqRaQdYQacYfr\n\nhttps://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/falsk-bild-smutskastar-ensamkommande\n\nhttps://www.ratsit.se/19960610-Saad_Nabil_Odeh_Al_Saudi_Gards_Kopinge/ENP_tUf6YdZykSI4YNURsynuMgAzZjcpde9IuOKPLUk\n\nhttps://www.face.book.com/1539513582931193/posts/en-man-i-kristianstad-anklagas-nu-av-en-stor-tabloidtidning-i-england-f%C3%B6r-att-ha/1799557496926799/"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\n>>55\n>>56\nal-Saudi family was fined for breaking laws\n\nhttps://docplayer.se/34214306-Information-om-inkomna-delgivningar.html\n\n> 9 MHN 2016/51 Tillsynsärende klagomål på enskilt avlopp, förbud med vite, Gringelstad 13:18 MHN Miljö- och hälsoskyddsavdelningen (mha) mottog den 17 april 2015 ett klagomål på fastighetens avloppsanläggning. Enligt klagande går avloppet från slamavskiljaren till en brunn på den klagandes fastighet och sedermera vidare ut i Vramsån. Ur denna brunn kommer avloppslukt, vilket för dem är störande. Mha beslutade därför den 8 september 2015 att förbjuda utsläpp av avloppsvatten till den bristfälliga avloppsanläggningen. Den 11 mars 2016 inkom en ansökan om tillstånd för installation av ett minireningsverk. Mot bakgrund av det utsläpp av avloppsvatten som idag sker och de risker som det innebär för miljön och människors hälsa, är det befogat att med vite förbjuda fortsatt utsläpp. Tjänsteutlåtande Miljö- och beslutar att förbjuda Al-Saudi Nabil Odeh Nazal (personnr ) och Mehalhal Shola Resan (personnr ) vid ett vite om vardera kr, att från och med släppa ut spillvatten från WC och BDT till den bristfälliga avloppsanläggningen på fastigheten Gringelstad 13:18 i Kristianstads kommun. Beslutet meddelas med stöd av 26 kap. 9 och 14 och med hänvisning till 9 kap. 7 och 2 kap. 3 Miljöbalken (1998:808). Miljö- och s beslut Miljö- och beslutar att förbjuda Al-Saudi Nabil Odeh Nazal (personnr ) och Mehalhal Shola Resan (personnr ) vid ett vite om vardera kr, att från och"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>17\n>>57\nThe Iraqi pedophile begged desuarchive and archived.moe to delete his photos. They are censored if you look in the archive but you can see them in the archive.is links. Google forgotten4ever, MyDolores.\n\nHe verified his reddit account Uracil_Goblin\n\nHe went by orgasm123456789 on powerbot forum, as AntiMajoosUnit and QutaybabnMuslim on twitter and forgotten4ever, Uracil_Goblin, MyDolores on Reddit\n\nHe cursed Slavs, Swedes, Christians with rape threats, insults and threatened Shia, Christians, Syrian government supporters.\n\nInformation and pictures here at this archive.is link. He defends Sunni Muslims on 4chan and curses white people. If you see a post defending Islam and denying the Armenian genocide or calling white Christian women as whores here its 99% probably him. He boasted he had dozens of accounts on reddit's defending Islam, Erdogan, Ottomans for years\n\nThat's him in those photos.\n\nhttp://archive.is/jciGq\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1286444-i-am-having-a-date-tomorrow-monday-any-tips-to-treat-m39lady-with-utter-respect/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-15612104\n\n>actually since youre a swedish homofag who probably is getting penetrated by his dad as im writing this, tell me where you are in sweden, lets meet up, im in karlskrona atm with a couple of friends (rip you never had those) we're doing some business for my uncles company so im free for 4 days, lets meet up anywhere in sweden and ill make sure to leave you crippledd\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1283493-why-are-there-no-longer-porn-naked-pics-being-posted-here-like-the-good-old-days/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-15567687\n\n>sweden sure does have good welfare, thats why white trash like you are even alive\nhttps://www.removeddit.com/r/europe/comments/4tjs1e/german_train_axe_attacker_had_is_flag/d5iqksy/\n>[–]forgotten4ever\n>This article is an absolute scandal and dailyshit should be sued for using it, I know the guys sister and they live in Kristianstad sweden"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>56\n>>57\n>>58\nConfessions of the Iraqi Sunni pedophile LOSER incel in Sweden.\n\nhttps://archive.is/Qmpik\n\nHad the suffering of an average incelmale been exposed to the world then museums and special days would be created to honor our suffering\nMost people here carve a basic human right. - sex. Now, tell me, do we GET IT? Absolutely not. Every day the incelmale wakes up, he checks his Reddit inbox and keeps snoozing the clock until he barely has any time left to prepare for school/work. At his place of occupy he is tired and he goes in without anyone paying attention to him.\nHis clothes are the same of yesterdays but he has good hygiene and smells good. He tries making eye contact during pauses from work but what he receives is dirty looks and females simply not even looking at him at all.\nHe keeps on working with his task all whilst having thoughts of inflecting damage on the normies around him. When the normies get too normie-alike he brings up his phone and pretends to be texting someone so the incelmale doesn't laugh at the amount of cringe being delivered.\nAt lunch the incelmale sits either alone or around his peers. He has troubles eating and talking at the same time, but he tries his best to fit in as best as possible. Occasionally a curious normie will ask him what the fuck he is eating or state that the way he is eating is weird. The incelmale is powerless, he just smiles and says I don't know and keeps on eating, whilst deep down fantasizing of shoving his fork into the normies eye sockets and plucking his eyes out.\nAfter lunch the incelmale is back to work and he is extremely tired after a long night of shitposting on his favorite forum. His eyes are red with big, dark bags.\nBack home the incelmale goes to the gym to lift some weights and cry on the inside as he knows no female will ever appreciate his physique. He goes home, eats his salad along with protein and he jumps into the shower"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>17\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\n>>55\n>>56\n>>57\n>>58\n>>59\nhttps://archive.is/Qmpik\n\n>Fresh and clean the incelmale continues his daily routine and only hobby. He logs on Reddit/4chan and start his shitposting session. After a long time of shitposting he sees the time is 02:45 AM and he has to get up at 7 am tomorrow.\n>Rinse and repeat that is the routine of the incelmale. The amount of pure-will required to survive through this life is a tremendous amount. Would any normie be in the shoes of the incelmale for a week, they would suicide. No doubt.\n\nhttp://archive.is/PLBk0\n\nThe Iraqi pedophile incel sent DMs to every white man he saw on reddit married to Muslim women and raged against them. He threatened to rape and kill them. He even tried to dox one.\n\nReminder, the Iraqi child pornographer cannot walk away. He is eternally looking over his shoulder for all the rest of his pathetic \"life\" for potential dox, while he has nothing to threaten the people who know his dox."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>25\n>>26\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\nArabs in Iraq. Spawn of millenia of rape by Turco-Mongols (Seljuqs, Ottomans, Afsharids, Mongol Ilkhanate, Jalayarids, Safavid Qizilbash Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu, Qara Qoyunlu), Indo-Europeans (Persians, Armenians, Americans), Kavkazis (Georgians) and Han Chinese people.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#10252672\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\n\n\nImagine being such a subhuman that both Armenians and Turks consider you filth and raped your ancestors. Assyrians, Armenians and Turks all consider Iraqi Sunni Arabs to be subhuman irredeemable filth.\n\nLike this subhuman Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab Islamist who is a slave of the Turks.\n\n>>unknown\nCheck how much Armenian DNA you have mongrel.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WV6xyqWu6A [Embed] [Open]\n\nhttps://meaningfulworld.com/our-work/un/sexualized-violence-against-iraqi-women-by-us-occupying-forces\n\nIraqi Sunni Muslim Arab woman raped by American.\n\nIraqi Sunni Arab girls have been raped by Hulagu's Mongols, Jalayarid Mongols,, Timur's Turco-Mongols, Shia Twelver Qara Qoyunlu Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu Turkmen, Safavids and Ottoman Turks and Georgian Mamluks."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>25\n>>26\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>61\n>>unknown\nTimur died while he was on his way to China and he never managed to invade China.\n\nTimur i Lang (Tamerlame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.\n\nThis is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.\n\nhttps://archive.is/IJQD0\n\nremove the . between just and paste to get the url.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98\n\nThey say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated. Iraqi Arabs are the rape children of Timur.\n\nAll Arab women were violated and raped by Turks, Mongols, Ethiopians, Persians, Armenians etc."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\nhttps://www.ijhssi.org/papers/vol7(3)/Version-3/G0703033642.pdf\n>Iraq is the country greatly affected by Turkish terms. The dialect of Iraq during the previous centuries was influenced by the Persian, English, Sumerian and Turkish languages. Iraq, like all other Arab countries, has its own dialects which are almost identical.\n\nIraqi Arab prostitutes services white men in Jordan. Allahu Akbar. Allah has decreed this الحمدلله على كل حال. الحمدلله على كل شيء\n\nhttps://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a1810/iraqi-refugees-prostitutes-sex/\n>The crowning irony among many of the women I met: Their best clients in Amman are American and European military personnel and contractors — the same sort of men they had worked for as translators and fixers. Now they are servicing them in a different way altogether.\n\n>Samara is a 23-year-old from the Diyala province in eastern Iraq. She spends several nights a week at the Cottage (or the disco at the Holiday Inn, or the Hyatt) to make enough money to last a few days. She wears short skirts, drinks, smokes, flirts.\n\n>Later, as she sits on the edge of the coffee table in my hotel room, it's hard to picture her as a nightclub denizen. She has long, dark hair and a round face that barely moves when she talks — her eyebrows don't furrow; her chin never stiffens. She is almost completely still, except for when she drops her head and stares at her lap. She explains that since she moved to Amman in 2006, she has slept with \"British men, Americans, Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians. God knows how many.\" She has been pregnant, and sold a thin gold necklace, her only piece of jewelry, to pay for the abortion. \"I love children,\" she says. \"I would love to have children someday.\"\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/tiNq0\n>Iraqi arabs will have 70% turkish ancestry talking about we wuz babylonians like girl get your ass back to mongolia along with the other turks…"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>>62\n>>63\nEven Saudi Arabians agree that Iraqi Arabs are the world's most raped mystery meat. The Saudi Iranic Balochi Mansur al-Balushi made this rape chart for Irakis showing how Iraqis have been raped for 2,600 years and Iraqi \"Arabs\" are mystery meat mongrels. And his Saudi Arab followers are cheering him, a Baluchi (Iranic) on as he insults Iraqi Arabs. You are worthless scum to Saudis\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10929965/#q10930979\n\nAnd western journalists and historians agree Baghdad and Iraq is the most raped place on earth and Iraqis are the most raped mystery meat people\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/jun/20/baghdad-iraq-psychological-toll-worlds-most-attacked-city\n\n>Baghdad: the psychological toll of being the world’s most attacked city\n\n>For more than a thousand years the population of the Iraqi capital has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter\n\n>No city on earth has been attacked as often, or as brutally, as Baghdad. Once again, the residents of the Iraqi capital are bracing for another possible invasion, with the jihadist forces of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) less than 50 miles north of Baghdad at the time of writing. For a force that is supposed to number only several thousand, Isis gains in Iraq have taken the world by surprise, turning old certainties on their head and prompting the US and Iran to think the unthinkable and cooperate on Iraq.\n\n>But for the city that is next on the Isis target list, the once glorious capital of the Islamic empire, the sight of a foreign army at the gates is all too familiar. Over the past 13 centuries, Baghdad’s population has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter, with terrible consequences: on the city’s physical infrastructure, on religious convictions, and above all, perhaps, on the minds of the long-suffering Baghdadis.\n\nIt's a list of everyone who raped Iraq in chronological order"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>25\n>>26\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\nTimur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.\n\nAll Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>27\nSunnis believe Ali was the fourth Rashidun caliph and also believe in Hussein. Many Sunnis falsely claim to be Sayyid like the Turkmen Atassi family.\n\nSunnis don't believe Muawiyah was bad because they believe all sahaba are good. You are the one who is confused."}, {"id": 67, "content": "Iraqi"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>60\nThe Iraqi pedophile himself on his previous pastas typed UNHEALTHY OBSESSION and about eunuchs.\n\nGet a load of his pedophilia and rape.\n\nhttp://archive.is/PLBk0\n\nHe accuses everyone else of doing what he does. He samefags and accuses others of samefagging, he is a pedophile who was raped by his father and he accused a Tunisian atheist Foxodroid on Reddit of being a pedophile who was raped by his father after the Tunisian criticized Sunnis for sex slavery.\n\n\nhttp://archive.is/yTXb5\n\n>What is your obsession with rape and pedophilia? Did your father or uncle rape you as a baby? Are your parents usually having sex with you? That's some unhealthy obsession.\n\nDID YOUR FATHER OR UNCLE RAPE YOU AS A BABY?\n\nUNHEALTHY OBSESSION\n\n\nUNHEALTHY OBSESSION\n\nDID YOUR FARMER OR UNCLE RAPE YOU AS A BABY?\n\nSearch \"eunuch\" \"Iraqi\" \"orgasm123456789\" \"Sweden\"\n\nhttps://archive.is/lI22I\n\nhttps://www.powerbot.org/community/topic/1307363-got-the-girls-snapchat-accidently-screenshot-a-pic-now-she-blocked-me/?do=findComment&comment=15948043\n\norgasm123456789\nBanned\n\nBANNED\norgasm123456789\nMembers\n2926 posts\n\n\nlmao youre the sudanese eunuch talking about your arabic being better than an iraqis, thats the joke here and the definition of being a dumb retard."}, {"id": 69, "content": "Your gift is too great for me"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n\"Your gift is too great for me\""}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>5\n>Malcolm X (after he left Nation of Islam and became a regular Sunni) openly supported the communist party of China praising China and Mao\nCitation needed"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\n>Sunnis believe Ali was the fourth Rashidun caliph and also believe in Hussein\nAli and Husayn are not important in Sunni islam.\n>Sunnis don't believe Muawiyah was bad because they believe all sahaba are good. You are the one who is confused.\nThis is why you're retarded you contradict your own point. Obviously Timur elevated Ali and Husayn and shat on the other sahaba thus by definition he couldnt be a sunni. I think ill trust actual sunnis who faces Timur than you"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nTimur never shat on Muawiyah. You're confusing him with his son Yazid retard, who was not a sahabi. Yazid killed Hussein."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nMalcolm X praised China and Mao both before AND AFTER his hajj to Mecca.\n\nhttps://nunncenter.net/robertpennwarren/items/show/101\n\nHe never supported Islamist retards and terrorists like Zawahiri. He support Marxist black revolutionary Mohamed Abdulrahman Babu and Zanzibar revolution against Arab rule (involving mass killings and rapes of Arabs by blacks).\n\nIf you're an Islamist terrorist and Muslim Brotherhood supporters or Al-Qaeda supporter go kys at this point.\n\nYou auto takfired yourself. Al-Qaeda terrorist freak Aymenn al-Zawahiri (shit and hell be upon him) praised Malcolm X as a Muslim.\n\nMalcolm X praised Marxists which is open kufr according to people like you.\n\nSince you and other Islamist retards who belong to these groups call Malcolm X a Muslim but you would call anyone else a kafir for praising Marxist communists (Malcolm X visited China himself, he praises Castro and met him) you just takfired yourself for praising a kafir and calling him Muslim.\n\nGo kys and entire hellfire already. Your entire ideology is a lie."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nTimur was known to play mind games with the Syrians where he implied he would spare them if they made an admission that was the ONLY caliph. Again I will take what actual witnesses of Timur said"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nHe said Ali was the last of the true four caliphs. Sunnis believe Ali was the rightful fourth caliph and not Muawiyah."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>71\n>>5\n>>74\nZawahiri and Bin Laden were both at this conference where Marxist Communist secular Palestinian Christian George Habash and Shia Hezbollah and secular leftist Oromo Liberation Front (including Oromo Christians) were also invited along with Muslim Brotherhood and a member of Saddam's Baathist regime (which openly supported Hindu India against Pakistan).\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Arab_and_Islamic_Congress\n\nThe terrorist Zawahiri and terrorist Bin Laden's followers would go apeshit at any other Muslim attending a Congress with Marxist secular Christians and takfir them for it.\n\nMeanwhile the hypocrite Zawahiri (who is destined to hell) praises these people and attends their conferences.\n\nThe terrorist Bin Laden's friend Turabi (Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood), who held this conference and hosted him and Zawahiri in Sudan also later said Muslim women can marry non-Muslim men.\n\nhttps://sudantribune.com/article15563/\n\nhttps://sudantribune.com/article15743/\n\nMuslim Brotherhood supported Ilhan Omar is married to a non-Muslim white man.\n\nThe Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood regime under Omar al-Bashir also worked with Assad in Syria."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nAlso ISIS terrorists pledged allegiance to Bin Laden and Zawahiri until 2014 so everything mentioned above applies to them too. Zawahiri gave his Malcolm X speech before ISIS left them. >>5 >>74\n\nThey are hypocrites and liars and auto takifired by their own standards they set on others."}, {"id": 79, "content": "Flex hard, carrot king!"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>unknown\nArab culture"}, {"id": 81, "content": "Look at all the spam in this thread. Why don't the mods do anything about this retard. Needs to be range banned"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>8\nHow disrespectful. It's 2 billion soon."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nHonestly I admire his autism. I'm glad he is undefeated by mods so far, one of the most entertaining posters."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nHe's entertaining because his seething and tears are nonstop and endless."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Muslim Brotherhood\nYou should not think of this as a thing Muslims actually subscribe to. There is no \"brotherhood\" for Muslims, rather it's a geopolitical tool for leaders to try and garner influence over the Islamic world. Egypt created it, but lost interest."}, {"id": 86, "content": "This >>84 is the Iraqi paedo pretending to be a third party. He won't curse Aisha.\n\nHe gets butthurt whenever his doxxers are praised and either accuses them of samefagging (projection since he does that all the time), or tries to cope about seething (the Iraqi begged desuarchive to remove his photos and the Arab rape pastas)."}, {"id": 87, "content": "The chinkspammer is a barely Chinese non-Hui ex-Muslim Southeast Asian mutt from Singapore."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nLol, lmao even.\n\nBasically his ancestors got raped by the Northern Han and now he's still coping."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\n>>87\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>88\nAll of these are the samefagging Iraqi child molester."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>unknown\nSouthern Han Chinese don't even share haplogroups with their ancestors. The Northern Han haplogroups raped in the South and the Steppeniggers raped the North."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nIt's why he's so obsessed with interracial shit and Han patrilineality shit.\n\nHis mental illness is compounded by him being a mongrel, a diaspora, not exactly Chinese, not exactly Southeast Asian, identityless, old parents and PTSD."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nCope, only one of those posts are my (You) and I'm Mongolian.\n\nCalm down Anon, we are probably related anyway, I'm sure some ancestor of mine planted superior Steppe genes into your line. The vanilla Han are too timid and submissive to act the way you do. Just get a gene test, I'm certain you will have some strong C-M217 in your blood."}, {"id": 93, "content": "Hey chinkspammer incel, does Yau Jia Jun from the University of Nottingham MALAYSIA know what you're doing with his Wikipedia account?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\n>Chinkspammer lives in White country\n\nAbsolute fucking poetry. Always these losers that have the biggest identity crises."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nYou're not Mongol. The Iraqi repeatedly insulted Mongols on powerbot and reddit and cried and lied about being part Turkic Mamluk when people made fun of him for Iraqis beihg gang raped by Mongols.\n\nhttps://archive.is/hrJ75\n\n>iraqis were the commanders of the turks if you didnt know, filthy slav. Iraqis owned the ottoman empire and arabs were treated better in most areas than ethnic turks.\n\n>I am stating facts, this nicola is the son of a whore, his mother had to prostitute herself to get him into europe, even paris can confirm. His country has been raped by mongolians to turks to russians and has no history or heritage what so ever and he has the guts to even consider talking about other countries. The fact you can prove that ukrainians are inbred stupid filths is just take the chernobyl disaster, only one with an iq under 50 can do what they did, never has an accident happened in soviet, but as soon as they brought them into ukraine thats when they fucked it up.\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/3M1zC\n\n>The mamluks defeated gengis khan and massacred his warriors, matter of fact my grandfathers mom was a turk, therefore i am part mamluk and i am very clear the superior one. the mongols fought with no honor, thats why when they came to the turks who faught using the same technique they got their ass raped."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>90\n>>92\nMongols were raped and enslaved by Han Chinese centuries before Genghis was born. (You're not Mongol, only a rapebaby of Hulagu).\n\nHan Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.\n\nIf Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Anatolia and Aleppo and conquered and raped Romania and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Romania to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids.\n>>>/k/50520707\n\n\n>>>/k/50520718\n>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.\n\n>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048\n\n>>>/k/48235048\n\n>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.\n\n\nSince conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>unknown\n1. Manchus aren't nomads. They are farmers.\n\n2. Nomads like Mongols are midgets and are darker and shorter than northern Han. Manchus are also shorter than average than Northern Han.\n\n3. The surname Hu originated among Han.\n\n>According to tradition, the Hu (胡) surname has several historical origins. First, Hu could derive from the family of Duke Hu of Chen. King Wu of Zhou (r. 1046-043 BCE) enfeoffed his son-in-law Gui Man 媯滿 (supposedly a descendant of the legendary sage king Emperor Shun) with the state of Chen (in modern Henan Province). His posthumous name was Duke Hu, and some of his descendants adopted Hu as their surname. Second, Hu could derive from two Zhou vassal states named Hu 胡, one located near Luohe (Henan Province) or another near Fuyang (Anhui Province)."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nYou forgot to tell the Turco-Mongol Iraqi rapebaby that Arabs are full of surnames like Ajami (non-Arab) and Turkish surnames like Bayraqdar and Khashoggi from centuries of Arab women getting raped and impregnated."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>92\n>>95\nAnother proof you're not Mongol (but you do carry Mongol sperm in your DNA Iraqi) >>49\n\nEvery single Mongol is sympathetic to Hazaras and hates Iraqis and boasts about raping Baghdad in 1258.\n\nNo Mongol would defend an Iraqi cuck who attacked Hazaras here >>49 and Mongols themselves >>95\n\nBy the way Shia Pashtuns in Zaynabiyyun and Shia Hazaras in Fatimiyyun are killing and raping Sunni Arabs now in the Syrian civil war.\n\nMongolia also took part in the American occupation of Iraq. They despise their Iraqi rapebabies."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n>>95\n>>92\nArabs of Iraq were raped by Mongols for 200 years from the Ilkhanate empire to the Jalayarid state to the Timurid empire and then raped by Turks so they need to deflect their humiliations onto other peoples.\n\nHow can such a mongrelized, humiliated people be expected to rule themselves? That's why Iraq is in the state it is in now"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nMongols raped Sunni Arabs but spared Christians in Baghdad.\n\n>To the eastern Christians the capture of Baghdad by the Mongols seemed like divine retribution. Moreover, the Mongols, whose ranks included many Nestorians, such as the Naiman Kitbuqa (to say nothing of the Georgian auxiliaries led by Hasan Brosh, the Armeno-Georgian prince of Kakhetia), consistently spared the Christian elements in Baghdad at the time of the sack. The Armenian chronicler Kirakos of Ganja writes: “At the capture of Baghdad, Hulagu’s wife Doquz-khatun, who was a Nestorian, spoke on behalf of the Christians of the Nestorian or any other confession, and interceded for their lives. Hulagu spared them and allowed them to keep all their possessions.” In fact, as Vartan confirms, at the time of the assault the Christians of Baghdad shut themselves up in a church by order of the Nestorian patriarch Makikha, and the Mongols spared both church and flock. Hulagu even gave the patriarch Makikha one of the caliphal palaces: that of the little dewatdar or vice-chancellor. The Armenian Kirakos of Ganja has spoken of the joy and even triumph of all these eastern Christians at the fall of Baghdad. “Five hundred and fifteen years had passed since the founding of this city. Throughout its supremacy, like an irsatiable leech, it had swallowed up the entire world. Now it restored all that had been taken. It was punished for the blood it had shed and the evil it had done; the measure of its iniquity was full. The Muslim tyranny had lasted 647 years.\""}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>96\n>>98\n>>97\nShatuo cucks served Tang China in raping Uyghurs like proud uncle toms."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>96\n>>97\n>>98\n>>102\nThe Shatuo dynasties weren't founded by conquest, one Shatuo chief was adopted as prince by the Tang Emperor for helping rape and kill Uyghurs and when the Tang dynasty fell, the Shatuo just claimed to legally continue the Tang dynasty in their fief.\n\nThe Shatuo family of Later Tang also adopted the Han Wang Congke (Li Congke) as prince and he was last Emperor of Later Tang."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>96\n>>97\n>>98\n>>102\n>>103\nMongols are shorter than Han Chinese.\n\nMongols (Outer Mongolia) and Manchus (Beijing) are both midgets compared to Shandong Han (Shandong and most of Jilin, Heilongjiang and Liaoning are filled with Shandong Han settlers).\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country\n\nGenghis Khan purged tall Mongol men when he was uniting Mongol tribes.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin\n\n>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.\n\nThis picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally mongrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Turkic Kipchak Cuman Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.\n\nA Kazakh is to a Mongol as to what a Mestizo Latino Hispanic is to a Spaniard. They got their paternal ancestry from violent conquest and rape of the local women so their maternal ancestry is different but their paternal is the same."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>96\n>>97\n>>98\n>>102\n>>103\n>>104\nThese are ethnic Kazakhs, not Mongols who are midgets."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>96\n>>97\n>>98\n>>102\n>>103\n>>104\n>>105\nUyghur Y DNA."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>96\n>>97\n>>98\n>>102\n>>103\n>>104\n>>105\n>>106\nThe genetic makeup of modern Uyghurs was changed by the Mongols and Manchus via rape.\n\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28595347/\n\n>The Uyghur people residing in Xinjiang, a territory located in the far west of China and crossed by the Silk Road, are a key ethnic group for understanding the history of human dispersion in Eurasia. Here we assessed the genetic structure and ancestry of 951 Xinjiang's Uyghurs (XJU) representing 14 geographical subpopulations. We observed a southwest and northeast differentiation within XJU, which was likely shaped jointly by the Tianshan Mountains, which traverses from east to west as a natural barrier, and gene flow from both east and west directions. In XJU, we identified four major ancestral components that were potentially derived from two earlier admixed groups: one from the West, harboring European (25-37%) and South Asian ancestries (12-20%), and the other from the East, with Siberian (15-17%) and East Asian (29-47%) ancestries. By using a newly developed method, MultiWaver, the complex admixture history of XJU was modeled as a two-wave admixture.\n\n>a more recent wave occurred around 750 ya, which is in agreement with the estimate from a recent study using other methods.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/KerimTurkistani/status/1433224648221605888\n\n>Uyghurs have many different looks, we have been invaded and so on many times in history. You should study our genetics and history more.\n\nmodern Sunni Uyghurs hate Genghis Khan for being a kafir (infidel) who killed and raped their ancestors in the Qara Khanid Khanate.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/KerimTurkistani/status/1432827323754057734\n\n>He was a Kafir so\n\n(Medieval Buddhist Uyghurs were conquered by the Chagatai Khanate later and destroyed)"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>92\n>>99\n>>100\nMongols from Mongolia also hate Sunnism. Any discrimination Kazakhs face in Mongolia is largely due to their religion.\n\nNo Mongol would defend an Iraqi rapebaby (who has Turco Mongol blood from Hulagu and Timur's rapes of Iraq) who insulted Mongols and Hazaras repeatedly and tried to larp as Mamluk Turkic to cover his butthurt over Iraqi Arabs getting raped by Hulagu."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>92\n>>95\n>>99\n>>101\n>>108\nWhat Mongols, Armenians, Georgians and Han Chinese did to Iraqi Arab Sunni girls in 1258.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12333794/#q12336094\n\nFirst time millions of Arab Sunni women had orgasms."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>22\n>>23\n>>32\n>>60\nIraqi Arab Sunni Muslim pedophile rapist incel in Sweden with a fetish for Vietnamese girls whose been spamming anti-Vietnamese posts.\n\nMyDolores forgotten4ever AntiMajoosUnit\n\nhttps://archive.li/x9UfB\nhttp://archive.is/pUo2B\n>Ill just go to either Vietnam or Thailand this summer and i'll see how many asian whores i can fuck, they want a strong 6'4 buff arab guy, not some pathetic scrawny small little chink, just accept it, you are the caucasian mans playground, we come to have sex with your wives, beat them, urinate on them, defecate on them and your mouths are smiling wide and accepting it.\n\n\n>We were never colonized but actually betrayed by the west, had the arabs not revolted then the europeans could never get an inch into our lands.\n>While you look at vietnam, burma, laos etc which were essentially rape gardens for the white man for centuries. And now it still is. You are the weaklings and the pathetic people with inferiority complex. You are not an atoms worth the bravery of the arabs.\n\nhttps://unddit.com/r/pics/comments/6ny1ih/topless_lebanese_girls_burn_an_isis_flag_nsfw/dkdr4oz/\n\nhttps://removeddit.com/r/pics/comments/6ny1ih/topless_lebanese_girls_burn_an_isis_flag_nsfw/dkdr4oz/\n\n>[–]forgotten4ever-1 points11 months ago\n>\"Arab women\" You mean christians? Most arabs do not even consider christians to be arab, so nice try, dirty fetischists, go back to your thai and vietnamese women to have sex with, our women wont even bulge one inch to you filthy sex monsters.\n\nhttp://archive.is/r7r6P#selection-3099.0-3103.185"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nWhite European Christian Latin Roman Catholic Portuguese men have sex with Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim women in Dubai like Huda Kattan.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huda_Kattan\n\n>Huda was born on October 2, 1983 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma,[10] as one of four children.[11] Her parents are both from Iraq.[10] The family later moved to Cookeville, Tennessee, and then to Dartmouth, Massachusetts.[12] Huda attended the University of Michigan–Dearborn where she majored in finance.[10][11][13]\n\n>In 2006, Huda moved to Dubai with her father because he accepted a job opportunity as a teacher in the emirate.[11][12] A few years later, Huda moved to Los Angeles, where she studied makeup.[9][10][12][14] Among her clients were celebrities such as Eva Longoria and Nicole Richie.[10] Huda then returned to Dubai where she became employed by Revlon as a makeup artist.[9][11] In April 2010, upon the advice of one of her sisters, Huda started a beauty-related WordPress blog which she named \"Huda Beauty\" on which she would post makeup tutorials and tips.[10][11][12][13][15]\n\n>Huda met her now-husband, Chris Gonçalo, of Portuguese origin, in high school. The couple moved to Dubai in 2006, and welcomed their first child, Nour Gisele, in 2011.[11] Huda is Muslim.[13] One of Huda's sisters is her business partner, Mona; while another sister manages Huda's social media, Alya.[12] She holds both Iraqi and American citizenship."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\nIraqi Arabs in Baghdad were mass raped 8 times over the past 1000 years by foreign non-Arab invaders.\n\nBaghdad is the world's most raped city.\n\nBaghdad was sacked 6 times between the Mongols in 1258 and British in 1917. Timur (Tamerlane), Ottomans, Safavids and Nader Shah all sacked and raped in Baghdad severely.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad\n>Siege of Baghdad (1258), Mongol conquest of Baghdad\n>Siege of Baghdad (1401), by Tamerlane\n>Capture of Baghdad (1534), Ottoman–Safavid Wars\n>Capture of Baghdad (1624), Ottoman–Safavid Wars\n>Siege of Baghdad (1625), Ottoman–Safavid Wars\n>Capture of Baghdad (1638), Ottoman–Safavid Wars\n>Siege of Baghdad (1733), Ottoman-Persian Wars\n>Fall of Baghdad (1917), World War I\nhttp://listverse.com/2018/01/15/10-terrors-of-the-tyrant-tamerlane/\nhttps://www.deseretnews.com/article/605591/Uzbekistan-turns-conqueror-into-hero.html\nhttps://owlcation.com/humanities/40-Facts-about-Tamerlane-Timur-the-Lame\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur#Campaigns_in_the_Levant\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Baghdad_(1534)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Baghdad_(1624)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Baghdad_(1638)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1733)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Baghdad_(1917)"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>112\nThe Saudi royal family and Jordanian royal family marry off Arab princesses to white men while they support slaughter of Muslim Brotherhood incels.\n\nSaudi Arab princess married Danish man and was impregnated by him.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahda_bint_Saud_Al_Saud#Personal_life\n\n>Fahda bint Saud has one child, a son named Abdulaziz. She divorced from his father, Baron Abdullah Kurt Bergstrøm, a Danish national who changed his first name to Abdullah when converting to Islam. Abdullah Bergstrøm died in 2000.[15]\n\n>Princess Fahda was born in 1953.[1] She is daughter of King Saud.[2] Her mother is Jamila bint Assad bin Ibrahim Al Mirhi from Latakia, Syria.[1]\n\nhttps://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D9%87%D8%AF%D8%A9_%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%AA_%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF_%D8%A8%D9%86_%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%B2_%D8%A2%D9%84_%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF\n\nفهدة بنت سعود بن عبد العزيز آل سعود ولدت في الرياض 15/01/1951، هي كاتبة وناشطة ورسامة سعودية. والدتها الأميرة جميلة مرعي والتي ترجع أصولها إلى منطقة اللاذقية ب سوريا. هي الأخت الوسطى لسبعة أشقاء يُعرفون بآل خالد نسبة للأخ الأكبر الأمير خالد بن سعود بن عبد العزيز آل سعود رئيس الحرس الوطني سابقا. هي أول أميرة سعودية تتخرج بشهادة البكالوريوس من خارج السعودية (كلية بيروت للبنات في بيروت عام 1975). تلقب بأميرة التوحد.\n\nالأسرة\nلها من الأبناء عبد العزيز عبد الله برغستروم، مواليد 21/12/1981.\n\nNo Saudi princess married ugly Iraqi men"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>112\n>>113\nSunni Muslim Arab Princess Haya who had an affair with a British man.\n\n\nThe British bodyguard who cucked the Dubai Emir with Princess Haya.\n\nhttps://meaww.com/news/dubai-ruler-caught-estranged-wife-bodyguard-during-surprise-visit-report\nhttps://www.weeklyblitz.net/world/princess-haya-was-caught-red-handed-in-the-bedroom-with-her-british-bodyguard/\n\nhttps://www.weeklyblitz.net/news/who-fathered-princess-hayas-son/\n\nhttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dubai-rulers-wife-fled-to-uk-after-becoming-too-close-to-british-bodyguard_uk_5d1f4210e4b04c4814124cb9/\nhttps://nine.com.au/article/b4062598-a3e2-467d-a793-9a874a21403c\nhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/runaway-princess-haya-bint-al-hussein-was-too-close-to-british-bodyguard-swp9rbs8x\n\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10253154\n\nSaudi Arab girls on social media are literally drooling over white Christian man Cameron Herrin while the Saudi men are insulting Irakkkis and calling them rapebabies of Mongols Turks and Persians.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11451201/#q11452428_1\n\nHind Qahtani & Dana Aloutaba\n\nhttps://www.instagram.com/hindalqahtani91/\n\nhttps://www.albawaba.com/entertainment/it-true-hind-al-qahtani-jailed-san-diego-charges-exploiting-her-children-1429923"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>114\nA Sunni Muslim Gulf (Khaleeji) Arab Princess who ran away from her kingdom of Bahrain to marry a balding baby face non-Muslim white military grunt\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meriam_Al_Khalifa\n>Meriam bint Abdullah Al-Khalifa (born 1980) is a member of the Bahraini Royal House of Al-Khalifa. She is best known for fleeing her family and native Bahrain to the United States to elope with US Marine Lance Corporal Jason Johnson, who was, at the time, stationed in Bahrain as part of a counter-terrorism unit providing security for expatriate Americans. After she was smuggled into the United States with help from Lance Corporal Johnson and being threatened with deportation by United States Customs, she was permitted to stay and apply for asylum, claiming that she feared honor violence by her family in retaliation for fleeing her country and entertaining a romantic relationship with a non-Muslim. Her story was featured heavily in the American press, including The Oprah Winfrey Show, and was turned into a television movie.\n\n>Al Khalifa is one of five daughters of Shaikh Abdullah bin Ibrahim Al Khalifa a distant cousin of Bahrain's current king Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa.[3][4] Meriam is properly titled as \"Shaikha\", not \"emira\" or \"princess\", as even the sons of the Bahraini king are not styled that way.\n\n>In January 1999, she met Lance Corporal Jason Johnson, a United States Marine and a Mormon, at an \"Americanized\" shopping mall in Bahrain.[5] They exchanged whispered phone calls and clandestine meetings until being spotted by a member of the Bahrain Royal Guard, who informed her mother of the illicit relationship. After being forced to end the relationship and forbidden to see Johnson, they continued their relationship by secretly exchanging letters through a jewelry store employee at the mall for eleven months, until Johnson's tour of duty was scheduled to end."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>112\n>>113\n>>114\n>>115\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamila,_the_Algerian\n\n>Chahine's film paints the Algerian struggle against French occupation through one of many lenses of its gendered narrative, focusing a large portion of the film around the rape and torture of Djamila Bouhired[5]\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Algerian_War\n\n>Another example of why testimonies of rape and torture of the women combatants in Algeria do not come to light can be seen in the story of a mujahida named Louisette Ighilahriz. When Ighilahriz \"published her story admitting to having been tortured and raped during the Algerian War, she received little support from other mujahidat.\"[3] This can be accounted for by the fact that revealing such violence, especially of a sexual nature, is considered a taboo and reliving such trauma can be extremely difficult for survivors of sexual violence.\n>Therefore, few women combatants are prepared to publicly admit personal stories of the torture and rape that took place during the war. Further, by revealing accounts of sexual violence and subjugation during the war, mujahidat would be seen as victimized women rather than courageous fighters who were absolute members of the ALN.[3]\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/16/jacques-verges\n\n>Jacques Vergès obituary\n\n>Controversial French lawyer\n\n>He fell in love with his client Djamila Bouhired, who was tortured and sentenced to death for her role in planting bombs in Algiers cafes. Eventually she was freed, and in 1963 became his second wife, though they later separated.\n\n>Vergès is survived by his son, Jacquou, from his first marriage; and a daughter, Meriem, and son, Liess, from his marriage to Bouhired."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>112\n>>113\n>>114\n>>115\n>>116\nFrench did this in Algeria yet an Algerian woman would rather sleep with French Hapa and black men than ugly Iraqi Arabs."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>112\n>>113\n>>114\n>>115\n>>116\n>>117\nhttps://archived.moe/his/thread/10249882/#q10252747\n\n>>unknown\n\n\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nEngland conquered Malaysia, Iraq, Egypt, Sudan and the Arab Emirates of the Persian Gulf.\n\nBritish forces were outnumbered by Gulf Arabs but slaughtered the Gulf Arab forces with a 1,000:5 casualty ratio, destroyed their navy and subjugated them.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_the_Persian_Gulf#1819%E2%80%931820_expedition\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_vessels_for_the_British_campaign_against_the_Al_Qasimi_pirates_(1819-20)\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_campaign_of_1809\n\nThis is the world record for fastest British victory and not a single British death. The British destroyed the Arabs.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait-Najd_War\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Urabi_revolt\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Egyptian_War\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Expedition\n\nAnd look at the casualty ratios when Napoleon invaded Egypt. Circassian Mamluks used Bedouin Arabs as meatshields.\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_Cairo\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Pyramids"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>118\nAmerican rape of Iraqi Arab Sunni Muslim girls\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7840912#p7841665\n\n>>unknown\n\nhttps://archived.moe/his/thread/7840912#p7853312\n\n>>unknown\n\nNapoleon butchered Bedouin slaves of Circassian Mamluks.\n\n>During the time of Napoleon Bonaparte’s and the French conquest of Egypt, Muslim women were taking off their Hijabs in a sexual manner to seduce the French. Then the streets of Egypt were filled with Muslim women with their French boyfriends.\n\n>Muslim men were already mad that Napoleon was taxing them to death to fund his own empire. But seeing their Daughters and wives proudly parading around with the French soldiers set them off. Then the Muslim men started a revolt, but it ended in failure because Napoleon brutally suppressed it by bombing Mosques and executed every Muslim who was involved in the revolt\n\n27:05 explains it all\n\nhttps://youtu.be/lyS_1JE6Qns [Embed]\n\nWhy was Napoleon so wild?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Aleppo_(1400)\n\n>In 1400, Timur's forces invaded Armenia and Georgia, then they took Sivas, Malatya and Aintab. Later on, Timur's forces advanced towards Aleppo with caution, where they tended to construct a fortified camp each night as they approach the city. The Mamluks decided to fight an open battle outside the city walls. After two days of skirmishing, Timur's cavalry moved swiftly in arc shapes to attack the flanks of their enemy lines, while his center including elephants from India held firm.[1] Fierce cavalry attacks forced the Mamluks led by Tamardash, governor of Aleppo, to break and flee towards the city gates.[2] Afterwards, Timur took Aleppo, then he massacred many of the inhabitants, ordering the building of a tower of 20,000 skulls outside the city.[2]\n\n>After the sack of Aleppo, Timur's forces went south where they took Hama, along with nearby Homs and Baalbek,[3] until they reached Damascus which was also sacked after defeating Mamluk forces led by Nasir-ad-Din Faraj."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>61\n>>unknown\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>111\n>>112\n>>113\n>>114\n>>115\n>>116\n>>117\n>>118\n>>119\nHistory of European Christian males marrying Middle Eastern Princesses\n\nSunni Muslim Arab Princesses or women who married or had affairs with Christian white men in history for centuries.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Ruete\n\n>Emily Ruete (30 August 1844 – 29 February 1924)[2] was born in Zanzibar as Salama bint Said, also called Sayyida Salme,[3] a Princess of Zanzibar and Oman. She was the youngest of the 36 children of Sayyid Said bin Sultan Al-Busaid, Sultan of Zanzibar and Oman. She is the author of Memoirs of an Arabian Princess from Zanzibar.\n\n>While living in Stone Town she became acquainted with her neighbor, a German merchant, Rudolph Heinrich Ruete (born 10 March 1839; died 6 August 1870) and became pregnant by him. In August 1866, after her pregnancy had become obvious, she fled on board the British frigate HMS Highflyer commanded by Captain [Thomas] Malcolm Sabine Pasley R.N. and was given passage on his ship to the British colony of Aden. There she took Christian instruction and was baptised prior to her marriage at Aden on 30 May 1867. Nonetheless, in a later letter to her sister, she avoided eating pork and dreaded attending church, stressing that she remained Muslim in secret.[4] She had given birth to a son, Heinrich, in Aden in December 1866; he died in France en route to Germany in the summer of 1867.[5]\n\nThis is the Muslim princess's autobiography.\n\nhttps://archive.org/details/memoirsanarabia00ruetgoog/page/n11\n\nhttps://archive.org/details/memoirsanarabia00stragoog/page/n9\n\nHer descendants with the Christian German man still live in Florida in the US I've heard."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Servaty\n>Philippe Servaty is a Belgian[1] Walloon journalist who formerly worked for Brussels-based newspaper Le Soir.[2] While in Morocco from 2002–05, he engaged in sex with over 80 Moroccan women, promising to take them to Belgium.[3] Before leaving for Belgium, he asked them for sexual photos as souvenirs and photographed them in poses that could be seen as degrading. They included ejaculating on the face of a veiled woman and having another woman kneel, bound, and gagged while he urinated on her.[3][4] After returning to Belgium, he published the photos on the internet under the pseudonym, 'Belguel' and included captions such as, \"There is no better drug than to ejaculate on the veiled face of a woman.\" \"These sluts are so naive. If you promise to marry them and take them along with you to Brussels they do whatever you ask\" and “I met her walking down the street in her djellaba. A few minutes later, the fucking bitch did everything I wanted. Miracles do happen, even in a Muslim country!”.[2][3][5][6]\n>At least one of the women filed a complaint to the police in Morocco, after a CD-ROM of the pictures began circulating in marketplaces in Agadir.[3] The police arrested her, as well as many of the other women pictured, as posing for pornographic photos is a crime in Morocco.[3][7][8] At least two of the women attempted suicide while in prison, and several have disappeared, either in hiding or murdered by their families in honor killings.[3][7] Moroccan authorities asked Belgium to press charges against Servaty.[3] Belgium declined, as the photos are not illegal under Belgian law.[3][7] He may face charges for making anti-Islamic statements, a crime under Belgian and European Union laws.[3] Additionally, Moroccan authorities have stated that he will be arrested if he returns to Morocco; he had previously been arrested there for possession of pornography. Due to the scandal, Servaty resigned from Le Soir.[2][4]"}, {"id": 122, "content": "Arabs (tribal) in Qatar and Yemen AND Turkic Crimean Tatar Nogai nobility (Mansurskiy family from Mangyt, Idegey bey) have Han Chinese Y chromosome O-M175. Results from Qatar, Yemeni and Crimea in this list.\n\nhttps://familytreedna.com/public/o3?iframe=yresults\n\nHan Chinese general Guo Kan was governor of Baghdad after the sack and mass rape of Baghdad in 1258 which included him and 1,000 Han Chinese troops.\n\nThere's a Mongoloid Han Chinese O3 Y haplogroup found among tribal Arabs in Qatar. It's carried by a Chinese royal family.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M175#O-M268_(O1b)\n\n>O-F993 Found in Beijing, Shandong, Jiangsu, Fujian, Taiwan, the Philippines, Hazaras, and Qatar[1][12]\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-K18#Subclade_Distribution\n\n>Found in Han Chinese, Taiwan plains tribes, Vietnamese, , Dai, Filipinos, Koreans, Japanese, West Kalimantan, Hazaras, and Arabs (Qatar). TMRCA of Han Chinese, Dai, Vietnamese, and Japanese members estimated to be 13,700 [95% CI 11,300 <-> 16,300] ybp.[1]\n\n>Analysis of DNA extracted from a tooth from what are believed to be the remains of Cao Ding shows that he belonged to this clade. The researchers also found that the Y-chromosome of Cao Ding matches those of self-proclaimed living descendants of Cao Cao who hold lineage records dating back to more than 100 generations ago.[5] Cao Cao laid the foundation of Cao Wei, one of three major states that succeeded the Han Dynasty of China.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M268#Phylogenetic_Trees\n\n>O-CTS10887 Found in China (Han, Dai), Thailand (Phuan, Tai Yuan, Thai), Vietnam, the Philippines, West Kalimantan, Qatar, Hazara, Japan, Korea\n\nQatari tribal Arabs got a Mongoloid East Asian Han Chinese paternal Y haplogroup from Han sperm squirting into tribal Arab pussy.\n\nOnly way for that to happen (O getting into Arabs) is Arab women fucking non-Arab males.\n\nSunni Arab porn star Dana Al-Otaiba\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11451201/#q11451244"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nhttps://twitter.com/StonedOnQat/status/1176068400751054848\n\nAnd i’m always amazed at saudi banat in America sleeping with Jonathan and Tyrone. Worry about your makhaneet\n\nhttps://twitter.com/walyed90/status/1558884581188800512\n\nBro their women come to London take their hijabs off and get fucked\n\nhttps://twitter.com/walyed90/status/1558923153774084096\n\nSee I can’t speak about what happens in the gulf but I can only speak about what I see infront of me happening in London and other parts of the UK when Saudi women visit\n\nhttps://twitter.com/StonedOnQat/status/1558888916588998656\n\nSame in amercia their men take it too"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\n>>123\nArab girls shaking their booties in the \"land of tawheed\". More concerts with Saudi girls throwing knickers and panties at kuffar non-Arab singers are going to happen again thanks to MBS.\n\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11451201/#q11451244\n\nSaudi women softcore p*rn\n\nhttps://twitter.com/Tspoon100/status/1274989469460987904\n\nWhy are you entertaining her? She's a qa7ba. There's loads of Saudi girls like her IN KSA. You should see the ones here in London who run away from home. Virtually prostitutes lol. I know for a fact Saudi and Saudis have disowned you so lose the patriotism.\n\n\nMore sexy Saudi b*tches on tiktok\nYou who*e you steal all of yemens cloths music poetry and even our cuisine. But it’s okay us yemenis take away your virginity and jobsRolling on the floor laughingFace with tears of joyFlexed bicepsFlag of Yemen saudi woman are the biggest sl*ts in the entire worldFace with tears of joy come to London bahrain and usa and you will see"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>91\nDon't forget he's a sexually frustrated incel with 0 hope for a gf.\n\n>>93\nThat's a school in Malaysia."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>91\n>>93\n>>125\n>>87\nAsk these to curse Aisha. \"They\" won't because they are the same ugly Iraqi paedophile incel in Sweden."}, {"id": 127, "content": "Don't try to change the topic away from your people Iraqi.\n\nYour people are the most raped slaves in the world.\n\nRussians, Iranians, Hazaras (Liwa Fatimiyyun) and Pashtun Shia Turi tribesmen (Liwa Zaynabiyyun) behead, crucify, burn alive and drill holes into Sunni Arabs in Iraq and Syria and fuck your women. You are slaves of Aryans and Turco-Mongols."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nYou are in Sweden impotently raging on 4chan while Russians, Iranians, Pashtuns and Hazaras control your countries and fuck your women. Iraqi Sunni prostitutes in Jordan service western non-Muslim men\n\nSaudi Arabia is now reestablishing relations with Assad and Iran and supports Russia and China.\n\nYou miss prayers for 4chan. You are an ugly, powerless impotent creature. You will never be like Shamil Basayev."}, {"id": 129, "content": "Your spamming has literally zero effect on others you mentally ill ugly mongrel from Southeast Asia.\n\nThe only thing you're accomplishing is accelerating your mental illness LMAO."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>unknown\n90% of people on 4chan celebrate your people getting sarin gassed and slaughtered like pigs by Hazaras, Pashtuns, Iranians and Russians.\n\nYou spoke about your PTSD and impotent rage on reddit and Twitter on everyone cheering Assad gassing Islamist terrorists.\n\nYour people will always be killed, raped and occupied by foreigners until the end of time."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>33\n>>95\nThis is what Mamluks did to Arabs.\n\nTurkic and Circassian Mamluks treated Arabs (both Arab Bedouin tribals and Arabized Arabic speaking peasants) as chattel, torturing, punishing, amputating, blinding and killing them if they dared to anger Mamluks. Mamluks could kill Arabs without retribution.\n\nThe descendants of Mamluk Circassian, Turkic Kipchak and Georgian men fucking Arab Sunni women live on in Iraq, Egypt, Syria in the Arab Sunni populations."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>19\nI honestly think chinkspammer is just a bot."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nHe's far too dynamic to be a bot, I've had realtime arguments with him and earlier in this thread he recognised that I \"praised\" him. He's just an extremely dedicated e-warrior."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>127\nИ тyт Aхмeд пoнял чтo вoeвaть зa ИГИЛ eмy нe cильнo-тo и нpaвитcя"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>unknown\n>>96\n>>97\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9469715\n\nY chromosome confirms it's the same as the original Han 3,000 years ago.\n\nHan Chinese have the same paternal Y chromosome haplogroups as 3,000 years ago and even further back since the Neolithic. Unless barbarian women came and mass raped Han men and added maternal admixture, Han are the same as ancient China.\n\nY Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers\n\nhttps://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105691\n\nAncient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago\n\nhttps://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235620438_Ancient_DNA_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao%27s_granduncle_matches_those_of_his_present_descendants_a_commentary_on_present_Y_chromosomes_reveal_the_ancestry_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao_of_1800_years_ago\n\nThe Manchu-Jurchen paternal C2 subclade haplogroup is competely absent from Han Chinese men. It's only found in Manchus, Mongols and other non-Han ethnic minorities.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418768/ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chuan-Chao_Wang/publication/269876995_Y_Chromosome_of_Aisin_Gioro_the_Imperial_House_of_Qing_Dynasty/links/551cf6240cf2909047bcb445/Y-Chromosome-of-Aisin-Gioro-the-Imperial-House-of-Qing-Dynasty.pdf\n\n>We reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the cluster’s TMRCA (∼500 years ago, corresponding to about a.d. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nHan people have zero Manchu Y chromosomes.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1285168/\n\nWe reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the cluster's TMRCA (500 years ago, corresponding to about A.D. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han.\n\nhttps://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/10/does-genghis-khan-have-rival-as.html\n\nUPDATE: Chris Tyler-Smith emails to confirm that the Mighty Manslayer is still #1:\n\n\nThe Qing chromosome was not found at all in the Han samples we looked at, and this makes a big difference to predictions of its total number. If we make the assumption that its real frequency in the Minority populations is the same as our measurement (about 5%) and that it is really absent from the Han, the total number of carriers in the world would be a little over one and a half million, about one-tenth of the Genghis Khan chromosome. Still quite impressive for such a recent and relatively peaceful expansion.\n\nhttp://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/10/genetic-legacy-of-manchu.html\n\nhttps://peaceandjustice.freeforums.net/thread/514/genghis-khan-genetic-legacy\n\nhttps://af.booksc.eu/book/18342973/b900f1\n\nhttps://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/genetics/china/xue_2005_manchu_y_chromosomes.html\n\nhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707633941\n\nhttps://hobbydocbox.com/Genealogy/85261480-Recent-spread-of-a-y-chromosomal-lineage-in-northern-china-and-mongolia.html"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>96\nHan Chinese conquered and raped the Xiongnu nomads in Mongolia during the Qin dynasty and Han dynasty and conquered and raped the Gokturk Khaganate and Khitan Mongolic nomads in Mongolia during the Tang dynasty, centuries before the Mongol empire.\n\nHan Chinese in the Ming dynasty conquered and raped Jurchens/Manchus and ruled them for 200 years taking Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and concubines.\n\nChinese conquered and raped Mongolia in the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty, long before the Mongol empire ever emerged and before Genghis was born.\n\nHan Chinese conquered and raped nomadic empires, Vietnam and Korea multiple times. Korea was conquered by the Han and ruled as the four commanderies and Vietnam was ruled for a millennia and the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty all raped the nomads in Mongolia.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/pHt-lhMjXJvRH6pAAr2uOw/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/Vu-PXrGG73bCbuyM8Ibb6Q/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/naOxYW9AkfHZHjVshZlZ2A/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/qdoW12q9DD_dNvh95UaE_g/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/mx00dcPWJm9teliGMnkfrw/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/aJYKiIksnWKkAcVNkgbh3w/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/nfgBvHWuNQv_NoHJxNB76A/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/N4IhdgqiHOUe9kyuo0KVLg/\n\nthe first nomadic monuments in Mongolia are steles of butthurt about how China conquered and enslaved them\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/K-WuVFsrHmLCgl6kJ46sWw/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/D_8eCaQRwrjUyhP7TqOiew/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/nz89bbmUZWYmn67R2zm0GA/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/WsCQx3zR9L_onMBsdvqY1g/\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/F57HIHuYmGA_iuWylbTvJg/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14384109/#q14385989\n\nThe Tang dynasty butchered nomadic Mongolic Khitan men and distributed their women and chidren as slaves to their officers and vassals."}, {"id": 138, "content": "The chinkspammer is a barely Chinese non-Hui ex-Muslim Southeast Asian mutt from Singapore.\n\nHe's obsessed with interracial shit and Han patrilineality shit.\n\nHis mental illness is compounded by him being a mongrel, a diaspora, not exactly Chinese, not exactly Southeast Asian, identityless, old parents and PTSD.>>135"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOut of control incest fetish"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nArabs marry their cousins because they think inbreeding is somehow going to hide all the rape DNA from Turco-Mongols.\n\nIt doesn't work like that. They just end up being inbred AND rapebabies.\n\nIraqi Arab Sunnis try to larp as their Turkish rulers because they have no history of glory or victories. Their entire history is getting raped again and again, by Mongols, Timur, Safavid Turkmen etc."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>63\nIn Syria and Lebanon, the minorities dominate.\n\nDruze men cut Sunni Arab men's penises off if they try to date Druze women in Syria and Lebanon or brutally murder them. The Druze go unpunished.\n\nIn Christian Lebanon it's legal for Christian men to marry Sunni women if its done in a civil ceremony in Cyprus or if the woman converts to Christianity which is also legal."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>127\n>>128\n>>unknown\n>>130\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>134\nIf asked, 99% of people here would say they support the Russians in the pictures and not the decapitated, crucified, burnt and dismembered Sunni Arab corpses (who are destined to hell)."}, {"id": 143, "content": "Assads' wife is hot"}, {"id": 144, "content": "Chink and Turkish ladies belong to BIG IRAQI COCK however"}, {"id": 145, "content": "Iraqi play sudoku."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did Spain manage to conquer the entire Aztec empire with only a few hundred men."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did it with tens of thousands of Indian allies."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nincluding one of the main three cities of the aztec empire and being allied to nearly everybody surrounding the lake"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBetter technology with a side of european diseases"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Clever people."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Proto-mexcrements can't fight"}, {"id": 7, "content": "good strategy + Cortes ego"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n250.00 tlaxcallan warriors. M*xicas seethe to this day."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did Spain manage to conquer the entire Aztec empire with only a few hundred men.\nTheres books written about the process but basically the same thing can be said about many wars.\nLenin conquered the russian empire with a dozen of his buddies"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nMore interesting to me is why after the aztec defeat the other indios didnt just took over the city. Why did they just allow the spaniards to boss over them?\nMight have been a reign of terror type of order, where indios enforced the spaniards rule."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropoids were like walking biological weapons with all the new foreign diseases they brought from the old world."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAztec may have been rich but it was a small territory like Portugal small"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Spaniards were basically 2000 years ahead of Aztecs in military development.\n\nIt might sound un-impressive but their swords vs clubs covered with obsidian blades is a huge difference.\n\nThey also had a few guns, better armor, horses, military tactics.\n\nAll things considered every spaniard was worth at least 6 native soldiers. 150 spaniards could easily slaughter 1000 natives."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey merely mimicked what their Moorish rapefathers did in Iberia."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nIt didn't matter. More Spaniards would have shown if Cortes failed. Once they got a base in Hispaniola, It was over for the natives"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nThat's even more based. Sun Tzu-tier shit; fighting wars with troops that aren't yours."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nWhy do zoomers all believe in the whole \"the spanish got allies because the aztecs were meanies\" narrative when the second most important native ally of the spaniards were themselves Aztecs who were the second most powerful member of the Aztec Triple Alliance and who switched sides literally just because they were pissed at Montezuma interfering in their succession crisis a few years earlier?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>horses, military tactics.\nthese two are basically what made them win"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRacial superiority."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nANE is superior to European farmers, so no."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nCope, iberian bull is superior to any race/animal in the planet. Turbochads like our president 500 years ago would have breed thousands if not tens of thousands of virgin indians in question of months."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n\nFalse.\n\nSpaniards had to defeat the Txacalans 3 TIMES in very cruenty battles before Txacalans decide to unite with the Spaniards to defeat the Aztecs. In these 3 battlets thousands of txalancans were killed by the 300 Spaniards and that is why they decided to join because they thought the Spaniards were invincible.\n\nIf the Txacalans were so decisive, how they did never try to defeat the aztecs by themselves after the centuries they had been oppresed by them?? If they were so decissive why they were never able to defeat the aztecs for centuries??\n\nSpaniards went to the code of the Aztec Empire. The txacalans did almost nothing at first. After they saw the Spaniards kidnapping Moctezuma and making him prisoner, they went to seek revenge against the aztecs for the centuries of oppression.\n\nTxacalanas, despite their numbers, were the 1% of the impact in the defeat. 99% of the victory has to be credited to the 300-400 Spaniards.\n\nAnd Spaniards played in a away house. In a tropical weather where powder was almost unusable because of the humid tropical weather."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n*went to the core."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\n>would have\nWhat did actually happen?"}, {"id": 25, "content": "And a few Spaniards also defeated the Incas and other empires without help, showing that they did it by their own bravery and smartness.\n\nThe very same people that later during the 1500s-1600s ruled the fields of Europe as the unbeated Tercios making many European powers to surrend to them in many battles. Totally undefeated for 150 years and a major power for 300 years across Europe.\n\nThe same people that did whatever they wanted in the Mediterraneo as the Almogavares. Our current king is King ot Athenas because the Almogavares defeated all the tribes there."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nOk so explain what actually happened after the aztecs were defeated"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>If the Txacalans were so decisive, how they did never try to defeat the aztecs by themselves after the centuries they had been oppresed by them?? If they were so decissive why they were never able to defeat the aztecs for centuries??\n>the aztecs for the centuries of oppression.\nThe Aztecs had been an empire for less than a century by the time the spanish arrived and were fighting the Tlaxcaltecs for less than half of that time, and the Tlaxcaltecs were \"losing\" to the point of being \"oppressed\" for far less time than even that. They did in fact soundly defeat the Aztecs in battle several times before (the poor state of Tlaxcala when the spanish arrived was more because of Aztec trade embargos in a deliberate attempt to starve them out rather than military defeats) and they didn't destroy them simply because they were fighting a defensive war in their own turf rather than helping out a foreign army in getting rid of them once and for all."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>And a few Spaniards also defeated the Incas and other empires without help\nThe Inca Empire wasn't conquered without help either, after Atahualpa got kidnapped, the spaniards swiftly allied with rebellious andean ethnic groups and northern Inca nobles who had previously sided with Atahualpa's rival during the preceding civil war, groups like the Chachapoya and Chancas, the latter even getting their own Coat of Arms for their role during the conquest.\nAnd which other empires do you have in mind exactly? The spaniards had Tlaxcaltecs and other Nahua allies with them in just about every other war against other mesoamerican states and empires, they had andean allies during their wars against the Mapuches in South America as well. The modern state of Guatemala and an Salvadorean ethnic group called the Pipil both have Nahua names given to them by Tlaxcaltecs allies of the conquistadors who got there."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nFor less than a century? Prove it.\n\nAnyways the actual names of the tribes does not matter. 300 years earlier X tribe was oppressing Y tribe. The same people basically with the same ethnicity or cultural background, just different names. People that diverged 400-500 years earlier and funded different groups. So, the “aztecs” could have been oppressing the same groups with different names for 400 years.\n\n>>28\n“After Atahualpa got kidnapped. For that to happen, if it was so easy, nobody did it before. You had to have bravery and smartness. It seems the other tribes lacked it.\n\nConclussion, the other tribes almost had no significance in the result. 98% of the merit was Spaniards.\n\nWhy the oppressed tribes did not have success for centuries? If it was just kidnapping the chief…then why they did not do it?\n\nAgain, it was a massive merit for those few hundred Spaniards going to a totally different world, absolutely unknown, and going to the core of centuries-old empires and submitting them in a few months.\n\nIt is like aliens arriving on Earth and submitting half the world in a few days. Some retards would align with the aliens but this does not mean that these retards were decisive."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>For less than a century? Prove it.\nThe Aztec Triple Alliance was founded in 1428, before that the Mexicas of Tenochtitlan existed as a minor city-state in the middle of Lake Texcoco, they were vassals of the larger Tepanec Empire, which they eventually toppled with the help of several other indigenous states, including the Tlaxcaltecs who would later become their enemies. The two other city-states of the alliance were likewise Tepanec vassals. It's simply a well-estabilished historical fact. The Flower Wars against Tlaxcala began in the 1450s, and by the 1510s they were still firmly independent despite Aztec attempts at subduing them.\n>Anyways the actual names of the tribes does not matter.\nOf course it does, and Tlaxcala wasn't a \"tribe\", it was a well-organized state whose history was recorded after the conquest, that specific period of Central Mexican history isn't some shadowy web of guesswork about the status of tribals, we have plenty of concrete information on it, written by both spaniards who met and interacted with those people and their descendants.\n>After Atahualpa got kidnapped. For that to happen, if it was so easy, nobody did it before. You had to have bravery and smartness. It seems the other tribes lacked it.\nThe Inca were very efficient in stamping out dissent, they went as far as banning entire ethnic groups from owning weapons and doing soviet-style ethnic group relocation. And it was a very specific set of circumstances that led to Atahualpa getting captured, doesn't really apply to the locals.\n>Why the oppressed tribes did not have success for centuries? If it was just kidnapping the chief…then why they did not do it?\n>Again, it was a massive merit for those few hundred Spaniards going to a totally different world, absolutely unknown, and going to the core of centuries-old empires and submitting them in a few months.\nBoth of the major empires conquered by the spaniards were less than a century old though."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nAgain, they are the same people in the same area with different names.\n\nJust like in Spain there was the celts, the iberians, the basques. Then Hispania Romana, then the Visigoths and Suevi, then the moors in the half south, then Castilla, Leon, Aragon, Navarra.\n\nThe same people with different names and different empires. I am sure the aztecs (or their previous names) were oppresing other tribes. The issue here is that the oppresed never tried to defeat the aztecs or did not have success until the Spaniards arrived there and id it in a few weeks. So, this is the decisive factor."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nExcept that as i said, we know exactly what the people who would later become the Aztecs were doing before the empire the spanish conquered was a thing, that is being a mid-tier city-state that was subordinate to another, they were not fighting the Tlaxcaltecs, whose history and status at the time is also fairly well known."}, {"id": 33, "content": "fddfg"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\nWhat are you doing trying to argue about the conquest of Tenochtitlan when you don't even know how to spell Tlaxcala? stupid mongoloid faggot retard"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\nWhy was the entire America continent so inferior technologically? Is it just that their cultures were so oppressive that it was impossible for people to think in the ways necessary?"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Firstly, the OP pic is both extremely inaccurate and low image quality. Here's a better quality image: https://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Emmanuel-Leutze-Painting-of-the-Battle-of-Tenochtitlan-MH-May-2022.jpeg though the accuracy is still dogshit: The metal armor/helmets are from decades later, most only had gambeson and the Aztec there are depicted like NA native americans instead of, you know, actual Aztec forces with armor and the right ornaments. The architecture is also a mix of different Maya architectural styles, and without any paint, rather then Aztec\n\nPic related is more accurate but still has incorrect Spanish armor\n\nTo actually address the question, the obvious answer is they didn't, because:\n\nA: The entire Aztec Empire was not conquered across the events you're describing, a handful of cities in the Valley of Mexico were, including Tenochtitlan. After Tenochtitlan's fall, many Aztec subject states ceded to Spanish authority, but many also didn't\n\nB: There was more then a few hundred men involved. Even if you're exclusively counting Europeans, there were a few thousand Conquistadors involved across the entirety of the Cortes Expedition: Cortes initially had hundreds of men with him (maybe approaching 1000), but also hundreds of auxiliaries ranging from slaves to cooks and attendants, and over the course of the expedition would get additional hundreds of Conquistadors and auxiliaries, most notably from Panfilo de Narvaez's forces. He never had more then 1000-1500 with him at most at any one time, but IIRC over the whole expedition there would have been maybe 3000~ conquistadors and more then that in auxiliaries\n\nAnd of course, the elephant in the room is that there were also over 100,000, quite possibly over 200,000 soldiers and auxiliaries from local Mesoamerican states working with Cortes JUST over the course of the final invasion of the Valley of Mexico/the Siege of Tenochtitlan, and additional thousands in points before then.\n\n1/?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>guns\n>germs\n>and steel"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir military doctrine / technology / tactics were far beyond what the Aztecs had ever faced\nThe empire and surrounding regions were weakened by the diseases the Spaniards brought with them\nThey managed to defeat and/or co-opt tribes who weren't exactly fond of the Aztec culture dominance (see Flower Wars)"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>6\nYou will never have a stable border"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>only a few hundred men\nThis is like the 10th time this myth has been regurgitated.\nEven a wikipedia article would inform you that the Spanish became allies with thousands of natives."}, {"id": 41, "content": "aasdad"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuperior weaponry I guess"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>22\nthey were decisive as Spanish assets, not as conquering forces since that were the Spanish themselves"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Holy Ghost was with them"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nSo the 100 spaniards used divide and conquer strategies to come out on top, that still means spain only utilised a 100 men for the conquest, unless youre telling me spain paid these natives as mercenaries?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nNo because Cortez actually had like a 1000 spanish guys with him by the end of the whole ordeal"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>22\n>In a tropical weather where powder was almost unusable because of the humid tropical weather.\nWay to out yourself, retard. Especially after those long wall of text."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nwow totally different, now that's not impressive at all\n\nNo."}, {"id": 49, "content": "AASADS"}, {"id": 50, "content": "ill save you mesoanon"}, {"id": 51, "content": "I dont believe that indios were capable of \"fielding\" huge ass armies. These were cavemen that went out in small bands, you can take on them one by one"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nthats crazy, so Spain isnt to blame? also what native allies were present when the Spanish MAULED the aztecs in a 100:1 battle at the first set of meetings?\n>eyyy ese dey only beat mi ancestros due to outnumbering us wif native allies\nnope, they completely smoked your entire race, those allies were just as treacherous until they saw tiny indio manlets could not physically damage a Spanish BVLL."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nYou are not white, Jose. Those \"indios\" are your people."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>you're wrong because I hate mexicans\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>22\n>Spaniards had to defeat the Txacalans 3 TIMES in very cruenty battles before Txacalans decide to unite with the Spaniards to defeat the Aztecs. In these 3 battlets thousands of txalancans were killed by the 300 Spaniards and that is why they decided to join because they thought the Spaniards were invincible.\n\naccording to diaz the spanish barely survived these attacks and had to constantly bargain with prisoners in order to stay alive. He says the older warchief recognized the spanish as useful for an alliance against the aztecs after a few waves of attack and decided to ally with them\n\ndiaz attributes this to act of divine intervention from god. why are you portraying this as a glorious victory when the spanish themselves say they only survived due to tlaxcalan mercy?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nhe's a faggot obsessed with latin america. it's best not to reply to him."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\n>also what native allies were present when the Spanish MAULED the aztecs in a 100:1 battle at the first set of meetings?\nWhat are you talking about exactly? The spaniards already had a couple thousand native allies from 2 different states with them when their first victory against the Aztecs happened at Otumba"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nOtumba was not the first contact between the Spanish and the Aztecs that became combative."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nyou're wrong because (You) are mexican"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nLa Noche Triste was an Aztec victory."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nLa Noche Triste was again not the first conflict between Aztecs and Spaniards.\nDo you read just the wiki pages on these things?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nThen tell me what you think it was my guy. The spaniards arresting Aztec tax collectors? The Cholula massacre? The Toxcatl massacre? None of those were \"battles\" and all of them ocurred when Cortez already did in fact have native allies, so i don't get how it's relevant for our conversation here."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>17\nBecause Aztecs would brutally sacrifice prisoners of war constantly? In addition to the usual abuses of an empire"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nHuman sacrifice was an universal mesoamerican practice, every single one of the peoples that the Aztecs conquered did it as well and everyone in the region was raised on the mindset that being sacrificed was a good way to die, it was 100% unrelated to some native polities joining the spaniards.\n>In addition to the usual abuses of an empire\nThey usually didn't do that, they weren't an empire in the traditional sense, with a few exceptions, they didn't actually rule any of the places they conquered, only extracted tribute in the form of material goods while letting the local government structures completely intact."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>52\nt. @conquistador_tradcath_1988"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nYes, but Aztecs would regularly raid to keep the practice going"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>52\nYou will never be white. White people are repulsed by you when you talk to them as if they're the same as you.\nNo matter how much you suck up to whites, they will always see you as a pice of shit."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>but Aztecs would regularly raid to keep the practice going\nThey didn't do that either, you're probably talking about the flower wars, which weren't raids but more like ritualized warfare that included at least some consent from both sides, and were more of a way to keep wars going between the professional warriors during the harvest seasons when most other men were busy harvesting crops and shit. The flower wars also did not involve nations conquered by the Aztecs, the targets of the flower wars were the independent states of Tlaxcala, Cholula and Huexotzinco, all of which the Aztecs planned to eventually conquer for real one day, hence why Cholula had become an Aztec ally by the time the spaniards arrived and why Tlaxcala was suffering from an economic blockade by the Mexica. In conclusion, the flower wars were most certainly not just a religious thing.\nRaids like those shown in shit like Apocalypto (which i assume is probably most people's basis for that belief) don't even make sense within the context of Aztec culture and religion. The specific ritual, religious doctrine and military system that led the Aztecs to expand their Empire relied on the sacrifice of specifically warriors captured in battle, they weren't aiming to capture any random commoner to be sacrificed, in fact by the later years of the Aztec Empire, it was said that even warriors from less prestigious states were considered undesirable."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>11\n>muh smawlpocks\nThis affected their allies just as bad. More so, even."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>35\nGeography wasn't on the New World's side. Old World had the Med and some comfy big rivers to sail up and down, which weren't hit by hurricanes and volcanoes all the time.\nWithout steady trade, populations tend to inbreed and then they become retarded. Trade picks up, they get less retarded... but then some big climate downturn hits and everyone goes back to the jungle and gets retarded again.\n\nFor the New World analogue, think Indonesia / New Guinea. Also a backwater, also got a good dosage of white penis - mostly Dutch in their case."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>More so, even.\nHow so? tenochtitlan collapsed from the plague when it was under siege because on top of it they had no water and no source of food"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>62\n>massacres\nthey were massacres because the Spanish were so dominant, the Aztecs had the advantage of numbers and ambush, they still failed because swarthy manlets are terrible at fighting."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nLook, ese, either youre le powerful warrior race who had to be conquered by natives, in which case you absolve the Spanish of more or less everything because they were just 'lucky' your treacherous race devoured itself, or you can blame the spanish but you are a race of cowardly servile midgets who have legitimate grievances but you everyone will see you as an inherent slave caste."}, {"id": 74, "content": "take your meds and never reply to me again"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nExcept both massacres consisted of spaniards slaughtering a bunch of entirely unarmed priests and civilians, the second one while they were busy with a festival, an event was immediately followed by a spanish defeat at the Noche Triste"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nAnti-psychotics, take them now."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>45\n>de Soto takes 700 hundred veteran conquistadors up into North America\n>gets kicked up and down the Mississippi by stone age savages\n>slinks back to Mexico with less than half his men and nothing to show for it\nlel some master race, Paco"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>2\nHow did they get them from India to the Americas?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>52\nThe question was how the Spanish toppled an empire, not how they killed 10,000 enemies with 100 men."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>17\n>montezuma was a meanie who interfered with our succession crisis"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In this thread we prove Jesus existed, and that the Gospels are historical accounts of his life, and that Christianity is all real, and we shut Atheists up once and for all. Go."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Big Dick Richie broke this threads hymen"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNah, he says Jesus was an archangel that got crucified in outer space by Satan and his sky demons, then was later historicized to be on earth. There's no evidence of that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can't, also thanks for demonstrating your lack of faith."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhy is faith more important than proof? Doesn't a Muslim or Mormon or Hindu's faith equally justify their religion? Don't try to \"prove\" them wrong with facts, it's not about proof, it's just about faith, after all."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn order to prove that Jesus is the truth, you have to disprove the false prophets first, such as Paul the deceiver.\n>http://www.voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html\n\nPaul says:\nRom.13\n[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.\n\nJesus says:\nLuke.21\n[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,\nsaying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>t. Muhammad"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIslam is a false religion, as traditional Christianity is, and Muhammad is the second greatest false prophet, next to Paul."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Jesus didn't exist and finally scholars are asking why we need to assume a story abut a magic jew must have had a real jew behind it, despite this hypothetical jew leaving no traces of his existence anywhere.\n\nPeople used to think Moses excited. Then people started asking why. Then everyone else was like, yeah good question."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nyou could say that jesus existed by never had any miraculous powers or that he never existed and it wouldn't make a difference. we can't go back to the past to see if he existed and did miracles or if he didn't exist, so what's the point in arguing. it's unfalsifiable"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nMuhammad didn't exist either. Gee it's almost like religious cults write checks they can't cash."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou don't exist"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Christianity isn't true, than you are a JEW. A HEBREW JEW! You don't want to be a filthy hook nosed cut cock, do you? Ergo, Christianity is true."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus likes rocks. G-D too."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nUpon that rock Jesus built His church; Jehovah's Wiccans (JW).\nBelow that rock G-D stored His tabernacle; Alamo's mishkan.\n\nJW"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is proven by the impossibility of the contrary. It's reasonable to deduce a sentient God would want his sentient creations to know his will. That means one of the big religions is correct. Christianity is the only one that stands up to scrutiny. Thus Christianity is provably true."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nyo Bards, Ovates and Druids, when are Charlie's III Angels moving the Tabernacle of G-D to the Alamo, yo.\nhttps://quran.com/2/248?translations=20,83,84,44,17,85,18,95,49,77,39,23,101,19,22,28,25,52,31,27,33"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMisión San Antonio de Valero, the House of G-D"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nRichard Carrier denies Alexander the Great existed. His opinions can be safely disregarded."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nFuck off gnostic\n\nGalatians 2:2\n>I went because God showed me that I should go. I met with those men who were the leaders of the believers. When we were alone, I told them the Good News that I preach to the non-Jewish people. I did not want my past work and the work I am now doing to be wasted.\n\nActs 9:27\n> But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Which period of Christianity do guys prefer, before 1000AD or after?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nThat's a lie but cuckstains literally believe a virgin gave birth to a magic jew so what should we do with their opinions?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In this thread we prove Jesus existed\n\ndone\n\n/thread"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nHaha. Leaving aside that the shroud is a proven fraud how do you know it's the magic Jew imprinted on it since nobody knows what the magic Jew looked like. There are no physical descriptions of magic Jew and nobody who allegedly met the magic Jew wrote anything down about him."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>shroud is a proven fraud\n\n\"You see this one jewish study done on external cover of shroud againts all these others more more precisely studies that its fake -\"\n\nthis is your brain on athegayism"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>Jew imprinted on it since nobody knows what the magic Jew looked like. There are no physical descriptions of magic Jew and nobody who allegedly met the magic Jew wrote anything down about him.\n\nare you okay ? stop taking drugs"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nTry putting paint on your face, wrapping a cloth around it then opening the cloth. The imprint is going to be stretched and distorted you dumb fuck.\n\nYou believe a virgin gave birth to a magic Jew. You lack the intelligence to tell the difference between objective facts and your retarded delusions."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod does not want Christianity proven. God wants you to rely on faith alone. God seems to have gone to great lengths to insure this, I am of the opinion that the only reason there was a natural development of the universe and life on Earth was for the sole purpose of not allowing us to retroactively prove any divine intervention whatsoever.\nAll claims to miraculous events and artifacts which could possibly be scientifically verified can be safely disregarded, and their promoters known to be misguided. There is no fucking way God would give us natural explanations for literally everything on earth except for perfectly preserved bodies of saints, miraculous healing, bloody statues, magic shrouds, or whatever else. It wouldn't make any sense."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\nHugues de Payens"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>Try putting paint on your face, wrapping a cloth around it then opening the cloth. The imprint is going to be stretched and distorted you dumb fuck.\n\nexcept that print cannot be replicate even with today technology\n\nYou believe a virgin gave birth to a magic Jew. >You lack the intelligence to tell the difference between objective facts and your retarded delusions.\n\nyou believe fish for some reason grow arms walked up to land and then transformed into monkey"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\ndebunked"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>24\n>>30\n>>32\nHugues de Payens or Payns (9 February 1070 - 24 May 1136) was the co-founder and first Grand Master of the Knights Templar. In association with Bernard of Clairvaux, he created the Latin Rule, the code of behavior for the Order."}, {"id": 34, "content": "1136 the Shroud of Turin date."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\ndebunked by numerous studies"}, {"id": 36, "content": "What's Christianity's position on closed borders and globohomo?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI imagine your IQ hovers somewhere around 80 or so"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nas bible says you should protect your home and family againts enemies"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\n>you believe fish for some reason grow arms walked up to land and then transformed into monkey\nExplaining basic evolutionary biology to a christcuck would be a waste of time. After all you believe a magic cloth proves that a virgin gave birth to a magic Jew."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDruid here, Christians tongue my anus"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThat doesn't do it for me. These people come as poor migrants in great need. As a Christian your duty is to love your neighboor and even selflessly offer them your personal belongings to comfort them. What divine law constitutes whether these people are enemies or not? And to which extent does \"home\" reach?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThere's no such divine law, Christian are supposed to sell all and become wandering preachers"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nOk I see. So there is no basis in Christianity about ethnostates or closed borders and territorial integrity. So that means that we need secular/poltical laws about it."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\n>DU UH WATER TURN INTO FISH THAT GROW LEGS AND TURN INTO BIRD TUUU DUUUUU\n\nThis is your brain on goyslop"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>31\n>he believes the Shroud is proven to be authentic\n>he doesn't believe that genetics prove common descent\nThat's about the level of intellectual honesty (or just straight up intellect) that we can expect to deal with here, lol."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>35\nThere was only one study that supposedly \"debunks\" this, and that study only says that the results of their specific type of analysis aren't incompatible with dating it to the 1st century if it was kept under extremely specific conditions.\nOf course you guys misinterpret that to mean that it is actually dated to the 1st century because you're low IQ."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nIts very simple bible talks about cloth ? Yes\nDoes bible talks about some fish-monkey ? No\n\nDoes jews make it up as they did with moon landing and 9/11 ? Yes"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nrabbi mad his silly 1 jewish study doesnt prove it wasnt Jesus"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>I don't understand biology.\n>Therefore magic jew."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nYou have no study proving that it is authentic, and you are going to call any study that disagrees with your opinion Jewish. You are not a rational agent."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\naccording to your biology there is 100+ henders and man can get pregnant"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nThe 100+ genders shit isn't s biological claim. It won't save you from the objective facts of DNA sequencing unless you want to deny genetics like troons do.\n>Nooooooo XX chromosomes aren't real!!!!!!\n^ this is basically you, christroon"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\n>worships the Jewish god\n>believes Jewish mythology is an account of human history\n>GRRRR THOSE JEWS\nBuckbroken lmao"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>>53\nhmmmm so this is what athegayists believe in\n\nhttps://laney.edu/biology/use-of-language-in-biology-gender-and-sex/"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>literally says that gender is a social construct that has nothing to do with genetics\nThanks for proving my point, christroon. Now dance for me like a good monkey and tell me how DNA is a conspiracy meant to keep trans people down."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\n>>55\nThese posts just prove there are no Christians on 4chan, just maladjusted social rejects addicted to outrage and online politics. You're literally a caricature of the fedora of last decade."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>DNA is a conspiracy meant to keep trans people down\n\nwhy down ? atheism is only reason trannies are growing and turning your kids into zombies"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>These posts just prove there are no Christians on 4chan, just maladjusted social rejects addicted to outrage and online politics. You're literally a caricature of the fedora of last decade."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nIt allows bigots to say that trans women are not women because they have XY chromosomes. Just like DNA sequencing allows bigots to say that we have a common ancestor with other animals.\nIn short, DNA is a bigoted scam, christsister."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\n>further illustrating my point\nGG"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>>60\n\ntell me were we up to moon ?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nYes. Tell me, is DNA fake, christroon? Is it just a scam that was made up to prevent you from transitioning to Christianity?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>51\nNo evidence religiosity follows a dumbell curve. Religiosity is negatively correlated with IQ and the difference is greatest on the most genetic subtests. In other words you believe and say stupid shit because you are genetically predisposed to be a dumbass."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>DNA\n\nyes just because they said that this fish is your uncle doesnt mean its fact"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>yes just because they said men have XY chromosomes and women have XX doesn't make it right\nlmao\nkeep on trooning"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>Religiosity is negatively correlated with IQ and the difference is greatest on the most genetic subtests\n\nenjoys your drag shows pedo another creation of atheist degenerates"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nhttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/\n\nrip"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>yes my trans sisters, we can't just look at the DNA, that would be bigoted\nlmao\nyou just can't help yourself, troon"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nlol stance of biologists change every 2 weeks so ?\n\nNow go and support pregnant males"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nThe DNA science stays the same, but you don't like that because it's bigoted.\nYou side with the tranny changing science, I side with the stable DNA science. That's all there is to it."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>tranny changing science, I side with the stable DNA science\n\nsame thing"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nSaying \"woman is XX, man is XY\" is the same thing as saying that there are 100+ genders?\nVery progressive, christroon."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nlol not anymore thanks to atheism\n\nhttps://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/im-xy-know-sex-determination-systems-101/"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nYeah that is the science that you side with. I side with hard data from DNA analysis, but you prefer the trooned up version.\nI don't know why you keep repeating yourself, I already understand your position."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">christianity is the last bastian of righteousness keeping degeneracy at bay"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\n>hard data from DNA analysis, but you prefer the trooned up version\n\ngive it few years and will totally change tot the point you will get jailed for saying otherwise"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nAnd you'd prefer that to be the case right now because you think the DNA science is bigoted towards Christianity, lol. Keep on trooning."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>24\n>wrap a cloth around a face\n>Imprint an image of where the face touches the cloth\n>the proportions are as the face is seen normally when laid flat\nYou motherfuckers are so dumb lol"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>DNA science is bigoted towards Christianity\n\nNo since its doesnt prove anything"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>uh sweaty actually DNA science doesn't prove that my XY chromosomes make me a man!\nlmao"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nLol retard need dna to know difference between male and female"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nNice pivot, retard. Doesn't change the fact that you side with the troons on the DNA question."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>17\nAll of this is unsupportable bullshit."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nI side with God who said that trannies are satan children"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nYet you side with the tranny view of genetics. Curious."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>24\nThe shroud of Turin is a fraud, we have a confession from the guy who made it and even the fucking Vatican refuses to claim it's real."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nNo I just point out how ridiculous your science is"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nYeah you think that the anti-troon science is ridiculous. I know."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>whine about muh DNA\n>give source of science being pro tranny\n>noooooo you are pro tranny\n\nyou okay ?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nThe pro-tranny science is an attempt to ignore the DNA science - just like you're doing. Because you're a troon."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\n>The pro-tranny science is an attempt to ignore the DNA science\n\nDNA will perish thanks to trannies atheism is pushing so much so I dont care"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nYeah you don't care if the tranny science replaces the real science because you prefer the tranny science. I know, I know."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nyeah"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nAt least you admit it, troon. That must've taken a lot of courage to come out like that."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nWhat it is about athegayists they had to talk about trannies 24/7 ? Are your brains really that rotten"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nI’m not an atheist but this is blatant projection. You cannot disagree with Christians here without being accused of being trans"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nI didnt call you tranny I point out that science is passing trannies ideology"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nThe science used in DNA sequencing is anti-tranny if anything. You just don't like it because it doesn't agree with your ideology, hence why you're equivalent to a tranny."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>34\nSpot on."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\ntell me was missing link between humans and ape found ? hmmm no ? interesting"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>95\nChristian gaslighting is proof of a Judaic origin."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>40\nthis"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nLiterally don't need it, DNA proves common descent without any need for fossils.\nBut because you asked so nicely, here's your missing link."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nseeeeee this monkey skeleton prove it was actually human"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nYou're the one who asked for a missing link, lol. Why ask if you don't think that's even admissible as evidence?\nAnd to repeat myself, the DNA evidence is perfectly sufficient to establish common descent by itself. The fossils just show us what some of the ancestors looked like."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>40\n>>60\n>>85\n>>88\n>>101\nproofs. lol"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>the DNA evidence is perfectly sufficient to establish common descent by itself\n\nno you believe it because jewish scientist told you to believe same with global warming and moon landing"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\n>no the anti-troon science is false!\nThis is getting really sad."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Christianity cannot be proven by the end of this thread, I will convert to Atheism."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>100\nLeast religious countries: Czechia, Estonia, Japan\n>high IQ\n>de facto ethnostates\n>developed\n>low crime rates\nMost religious countries: Afghanistan, Ghana, Uganda\n>low IQ\n>brown/black\n>third world\n>violent shitholes"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nwow non negros are peaceful shocking"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>108\nSame guys that brought science also brought trannies so whats your point ?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>4\nGo with the 'face as a man', He will never let down.\n>>15\nJehovah's Wiccans (JW) proved Christianity."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>21\ni don't see how these verses you posted change the fact that paul contradicted jesus time and time again. besides, why even need paul? jesus alone gives all the teachings that are necessary for salvation"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nPaul's letters were written 40 years before the Gospels existed. So it's the Gospel authors that contradict Paul."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>51\nHe didn't eve n say that"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nexcept paul could still have lied about what jesus really said. if anything you just highlighted how unreliable the scriptures are in the first place"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>110\nleast: uk\nmost: us"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\nJames was first."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>2\nIronic that you're positing an actual cuckold"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>3\n>there's no evidence of that\nExcept, you know, PAUL. And all the Hellenistic Mystery Cults (which were syncretized with foreign cultures like the Persians, Thracians, Egyptians, etc. You do the math on what a Judeo-Hellenic mystery cult would look like)"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>111\nExactly. The most inferior races are the most religious."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's historical"}, {"id": 124, "content": "I have reached Gnosis"}, {"id": 125, "content": "So was present to record Jesus alone with the devil in the desert and in the garden of Gethsemane (when apostles were asleep lol)"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>110\n>Czechia, Estonia,\nthese two are like the least developed countries in europe by almost every metric"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>124\nOh, hello fellow druid."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nReporting Sir."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>103\nDid they make DNA tests of it?"}, {"id": 130, "content": "Claim A: Jesus prophecized the end of times would come within the lifetime of his disciples.\nProof: Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32.\n\nClaim B: It didn't happen.\nProof: Historical consensus.\n\nClaim C: Jesus was a false prophet.\nProof: Claim A, claim B and Deuteronomy 18:22.\n\nClaim D: Jesus deserved to die by biblical standards.\nProof: Claim C and Deuteronomy 18:20."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can't.\n\n\"God\" is a fictional invention of humans.\n\nHe's not real. There is no compelling evidence for \"God\" whatsoever, nor are there any compelling reasons to think that there must be a God.\n\nThe TRUTH is that we don't know the true origins of the universe. The Big Bang was only arrived at in recent times (yes, a Christian guy was involved in the genesis of that theory, but even a broken clock will be right twice a day). So it could be a while longer before we discover even more than the Big Bang.\n\nMy view is that we get truth about the universe by experimenting on the universe. Testing it. How the fuck else do we arrive at truth? Christians just postulate that there must be a God. \"Oh, I reckon there must have been a cause to the universe\". Reckoning isn't good enough. The universe is not obliged to obey what you THINK must be the case. The universe works in unpredictable ways. Is relativity intuitive? Not really. But there's evidence for it.\n\nEvidence is better than wild, unsupported postulations like Christianity, I think.\n\nMaybe you'll say:\n>hurr durr you're a fedora\nBut that isn't an argument."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">over 100 replies\n>still no proof\nKek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is it always the redheads who get recast as Black? It's uncanny how often this happens."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Black girls are more attractive than white girls."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I don't think Greek incest children had red hair"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nContemporary art depicts her as a redhead. See pic related and the portrait from Pompeii and the bust with some paint still in the hair, and I'm sure I'm leaving others out.\n\nWhen Cleopatra hair became fashionable, Julius Caesar remarked that there were more redheads in Rome than in all the Celtic tribes."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Wasnt Alexanders wife also an Redhead, or was it ginger?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nShe was described as having a ruddy complexion."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>redheads who get recast as Black? It's uncanny how often this happens\nIt happens so regularly that it's a trope on /co/. Doesn't answer why it's always redheads, but yes, it certainly is."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis Cleopatra barely even looks black at all, there's this weird horseshoe theory phenomenon where liberals end up with similar views on race as Varg. If an otherwise West Eurasian face is even vaguely dark skinned it might be declared Black, which is literally Ameriniggers, who were kings indeed. It's such a bizarre race-shifting attempt."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nEgypt is in Africa. Africa is Black. Which means Cleopatra was Black."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite person here who despite being right wing is not a hateful virgin\n\nI HAVE TRAVELLED TO OTHER COUNTRIES, Egypt being one of them and egyptians aren't white. Cleopatra is not white. This is a stupid fight we have no reason to care for yet you imbeciles still fight over this. Travel to Egypt and see for yourselves. The only white people in egypt are american tourists for fucks sake"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBait so stupid that you'd still come out looking dumber than anyone who takes it seriously."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIndigenous Egyptians came from the same peoples as did the Arabs. They were never from sub-Saharan \"black\" Africa. Native Egyptians are still very much Arabs.\n\nBut the Ptolemaic dynasty to which Cleopatra VII belonged was a European, Macedonian lineage."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit will happen when 4chan's story is told as well"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Black\nI feel sorry for amerimutts who are so mixed they don't know what real blacks look like."}, {"id": 15, "content": "I think this netflix shit might be a discord ruse. A new thread gets posted every few hours."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nWhat board is this? They're too white to be /pol/."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWE"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nIt was a different time"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nCleopatra wasn't even Egyptian, moron\nYou should have studied history instead of travelling third world shitholes"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've seen some people argued that since the Ptolemaic dynasty intermarried with the locals and since we don't know precisely about her mother, she could have been black.\nFrankly, is that even plausible?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>the Ptolemaic dynasty intermarried with the locals\nlel"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>4\nThat's not a redhead, same color as her eyes"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEither way, Cleopatra is ethnically and culturally unrelated to either type of american"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\ncolorblind"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\n(X) Doubt"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n\nNo, considering how the Greeks and Macedonians viewed their conquered subjects with contempt. The idea of an aristocratic Hellenes family marrying a local was unthinkable."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nFirst, they did not intermarry outside of their own dynasty.\nSecond, even if they did, the locals were Arabs, not Blacks.\nSo no, it's not even plausible."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nIncest causes recesive traits to pop up. Joos have more redheads than scotts. But cleopatra tried to bleach her skin bathing in milk. And redheads are naturally non-melanized."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nThat makes a lot of sense"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>the locals were Arabs"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>10\n\"Not white\" does not automatically = black"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is it always the redheads who get recast as Black?\nThere has to be a reason. is it because the redheads are already distinctive looking?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nGenetically they were almost the same thing, incorrect terminology but the sentiment is essentially right."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 35, "content": "I'll just leave this here."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>10\nPretty much proofs you have never been out of your mothers basement and you projected your mutteducation on a timeline 2000 years ago."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>10\nThe people who built the Great Pyramids and laid the foundations of Ancient Egypt were white unlike you. Cleopatra was Greek."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>18\nSad, I went as an anon once to a con a decade ago, I felt like if I did it today I would get assaulted and vanned"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nSaying ancient Egyptians are the same as Arabs is almost as retarded as saying they're niggers"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nNo, you don't understand, they really are the most similar population, albeit with still a fair bit of distance."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>10\nlow effort bait, just kill yourself nigger"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\nYes look at all the black pornstars. Oh there are none"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>14\nBlack is just code word for nigger. No one calls indians/asians with dark skin black. Also black skin doesnt even exist"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nOh wow that's crazy sorry for being a nigger"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nThis is what /pol/ actually believes"}, {"id": 46, "content": "Anything historical Netflix produces or partners with can be brushed off as a bunch of fantasy garbage. This is the same website that let some conspiratorial crank put out a bullshit series about an ancient apocalypse that wiped out some sort of hyper-advanced civilization. It shouldn't be shocking they bankrolled some random celebrity's pet project of wanting to create a story about Black Queenz without any care for facts or research. As a rule of thumb, if I see that red N next to some documentary or historical miniseries I know it will be absolute garbage."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>2\nIf you like bestiality, I suppose... But blacks rape white women but whites don't rape black women."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>2\nBased jungle fever enjoyer"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nBecause whites aren't niggers"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>but whites don't rape black women.\nyou used to"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nHancock is right tho"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nThey used to run around with spears and loincloths and worship sky gods, too. How is any of that relevant to a statement about what they're like in the present day?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Biden is a French name\n\nWhy do so many white Americans identify as Irish or Scottish and such when in real terms they have no connection to them beyond some vague stuff like “my grandfather had an Irish second name!”\n\nIt’s bizarre because I can’t imagine this shit happening in a European country. You don’t see some guy in England with a Swedish second name whose family has lived there for 120 years proudly claiming he is Swedish and misses his homeland"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>implying the origin of someone's last name is necessarily reflective of the majority of their genetic makeup\nretard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namericans decide their ancestry by throwing dart at Europe’s map but because most Americans are fat drunks they land it in Ireland and Scotland"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>most Americans are fat drunks\nThe ones who take after the Founders, in any case."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIf genetic makeup is how you decide your culture, why aren’t most white Americans harping on about being German and English"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBecause those are both the \"losers\" in the only two wars any of them care about."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt's understood that most White Americans are mostly English, so when people want to be special they will of course emphasize less common ancestries. Plus American culture is basically a spinoff of English, so if you want to learn about your ancestors' culture, food, dress, music, traditions, etc. it's only natural to take an interest in something more distinct than English.\nAlso plenty of White Americans harp on being English anyway, moms everywhere love the Royal family.\nWhy do you care anyway?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican here, I agree, its complete bullshit. The people who do shit like that are usually the Trad types who feel like they need some connection to the \"Old World\" to ground themselves, and its ridiculous\nTHAT BEING SAID, there is a lot of legitimacy behind a lot of Americans saying they're Irish or Scottish, because the last major wave of European immigrants to the United States happened fairly recently, between the late 19th to early 20th centuries, and so many of us remember having a grandparent or great grandparent who would often share stories of growing up in Ireland or Scottland before immigrating to the United States.\nIf its any consolation, I can say with confidence me and my family are all Anglos, we arrived in America in the 1600s and remained in heavy Anglo communities through to the present day. I know the names and identities of 11 of my ancestors since then from both sides of my family. But if you ask me, I'm just an American. And will always be an American. Because I guaruntee you my earliest ancestors from after 1776 would never want to call themselves English either."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Why do you care anyway?\n\nGod I hate people like you\n\n>don’t discuss anything! Caring is lame!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's an English name actually."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Ireland and identifying with it is sort of a meme in America, that’s all there is to it really."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Biden\n>French name\n\nDans quel monde c'est un nom français putain ?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "If I remember correctly his mother is of Irish descent while his dad was Huguenot.\n\nThat said, yanks typically identify with whatever part of Europe (of the parts which they have significant ancestry from) that they like most. Everyone loves Ireland, everyone hates Brits. It's simple enough."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nAll English Americans say they are Irish or Scottish though.\n\nNot really any that say they’re welsh for some reason"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>everyone loves Ireland\n\nDo they? Kinda just seems like they see them as weak and therefore an easy underdog figure"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause generally you do have a connection to these countries. I'm mixed Italian and French for example. I was raised Catholic and my mother typically cooked Italian meals while growing up. I'm not going to say I'm as Italian as someone born in Italy, but there are still echos of the culture that my great-grandparents brought over with them all around me. You do feel a slight connection. I certainly feel more Italian than french though since my mom was the homemaker and she is the Italian one."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nso I'm mostly of German ancestry but also a little Hungarian on my mother's side but who gaf about Hungary?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmericans simply think the irish and scottish are cool rebellious plucky noble savages, in direct opposition to the tyrannical, pompous and lame european kingdoms of Britan, France and the like."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCould be from the Norman's, like Fitzgerald. I've never met a Biden though\nt. Irishanon"}, {"id": 20, "content": "At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Americans called themselves Irish just because it's funny how irrationally angry it makes Anglos online"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorman conquest or Latin-Franks immigration"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's not the only thing that Biden has falsified. He's not even the President. President Trump is still the President."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTruth is that Europeans and especially Western Euros have been mixing with each other for over 1000 years and more elite your family is the more they mixed. Nationalism and language standardisation is a flavour LARP that's literally younger than America."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nLiterally this. Same reason why white as fuck Americans will boast about being part native Apache somehow\n\nIrishness is joke to Americans culturally. The equivalent of the it’s a small world ride at Disneyland. Which makes the Irish grovelling at their feet always amusing"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>everybody I don’t like is Anglos\n\nI’m Brazilian. You guys are retarded. And that’s coming from a Brazilian"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe wants Irish to vote for him. It's similar to how Warren Wilhelm Jr. goes by Bill de Blasio so Italians will vote for him."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nAmericans don't even know what Wales is."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>europeans so high off their own smugness they think we don't know basic sea creatures\nWe have one of the largest coastlines in the fucking world, you stupid eurocuck."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nKek."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>13\nAlso there's a religion factor. Biden is Catholic, so he won't identify with the Huguenot side. An awful lot of American churches are really ethnic ones."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nYeah it's basically a 2024 campaign trip aimed at Irish-Americans in the Midwest and Pennsylvania. I thought it was funny that Biden came out at that rally to the Dropkick Murphys."}, {"id": 32, "content": "I'm not Catholic, my family were pretty fundie Church of Christers, but Biden has a \"Catholic\" vibe to him from what I've seen as well. Which makes sense because he's Catholic, but he sometimes looks like a priest. He's only our second Catholic president too.\n\nA rather gothic figure in some ways."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>5\nMy girlfriend and I are both white Americans with English surnames who are ethnically English but I've never really met any other ones."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>a geriatric boomer billionaire who eats big macs and had an army of people storm congress waving pepe flags\n>another geriatric, literally too old to be a boomer, whose entire hopes of staying us president rest on him being able to convince enough muh heritage fags he's actually irish\nyou know i'm starting to think i'm unconscious and my brain is (poorly) making up a world it thinks is realistic"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\n>He wants Irish to vote for him\nWhat year is this, 1880? The Irish bloc stopped being important by the 1930s when Italians displaced their political machines in the big cities."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nWhat other reason do people have to vote democrat?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do Europeans feel the need to ask daily why American's care about their ancestry? Nobody cares about random buzzfeed articles about where the name Biden came from, but why is it such a strange thing for someone to take an interest in their genetic roots?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nThere are none, for boomers anyways. The only boomers who still vote for the Democrats are Catholics."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nYou’re Irish. Stop letting the Britishers lie to you"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nSame reason Americans ask Europeans stuff. While people have curiosity. If you don’t you’re not white"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\ngood morning sar"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>33\nIt's pretty common. What state do you live in? Here in Oregon most people I've met have English surnames. If you're from the east coast or midwest the whites are more exotic."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\n>Britishers"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nI’m English and I don’t understand why you’d take so much stock in surnames. Half the white people in England have “non English” surnames. Whether that be Irish, German, French etc\n\nIf your family has been here for a century or more what difference does or make whatsoever?\n\nThe main nationalist figure we had for ages was Nigel Farage and his second name is French Huguenot"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy last name is in English yet I'm almost 95% sub-Saharan African. Someone in my family about 7-8 generations ago married (yes, married) a free black woman in Jamaica, and now I exist."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>Whether that be Irish, German, French etc\n\nIn a few decades this will include Slavic, specifically Polish and Albanian surnames."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nRaxe-mixer bros... I thought that our grandkids would be white???"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>I’m English and I don’t understand why you’d take so much stock in surnames\nIt's not perfect, but it's at least some indication of someone's origins. If your name is Tortellini or whatever then it's unlikely you're a WASP.\n>Half the white people in England have “non English” surnames. Whether that be Irish, German, French etc\nI doubt it's that many. What makes you say that? Sorry to be a sourcefag but source?\n>If your family has been here for a century or more what difference does or make whatsoever?\nI wasn't making much of a claim about whether it matters or not. Just an observation.\n>The main nationalist figure we had for ages was Nigel Farage and his second name is French Huguenot\nYeah but he's not really French either in terms of ancestry or culture. It's like one guy who passed the name along."}, {"id": 49, "content": "Its Robinette (Joe Biden's real name) that is a French name, not Biden"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>27\nHeh. The English don't even know they're Welsh because of penal laws.\nanglo-kikes trolling b8 is eternal kek"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nYeah, it will. There’s plenty of weird surnames already for random white people in England\n\n>>48\nSorry. No source off the top of my head.\n\nIt’s just that if you look white. You’re basically assimilated into being English by the second generation.\n\nOff the top of my head there’s even plenty of mixed race people who technically aren’t white but you wouldn’t know\n\n>Emilia Clarke\n\nPart Indian\n\n>Kate beckinsale\n\nPart Burmese\n\n>Boris Johnson\n\nPart Turkish\n\nNone of them think they aren’t English"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>You’re basically assimilated into being English by the second generation.\n>None of them think they aren’t English\nAmerica was swamped with various ethnics whereas in England it's just been a trickle. For a long time they had their own enclaves so the identity persists even long after it's become moribund and larpy. Biden grew up with his mother telling him he's Irish so that's what he thinks he is."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>44\n>Half the white people in England have “non English” surnames.\nNah that's bullshit"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>38\nha no there are a lot of boomers of various flavors that are staunch Democrats including richfags on the coasts, most Jews, and most government workers."}, {"id": 55, "content": "My great grandparents Anglicized their surname during the anti-German butthurt spree in WWI."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere in Argentina your ancestry is considered a \"fun fact\" at most. People may give you a nickname based on your surname (the Polish dude, the Italian, the Turk, the Russian, etc) but it's mostly boomers who do that. You may also get asked where your surname is from, and people have a vague idea of where their grandparents came from, but it's really not something part of your identity.\n\nIn the past (until 1950s?) there used to be \"immigrant's clubs\" (people of Basque ancestry would go play paddle at a place called the Basque Club, or a person of British ancestry would go play rugby at a place called Hindu Club) but now while these places still exist with those names, people mingle completely, they are no longer ethnic clubs but rather Argentine football and rugby clubs.\n\nI think the tendency of Americans to hyphenate makes the differences worse... like, why not simply be an American, as opposed to Irish-American, Mexican-American, etc. ?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>17\nIf you're mostly German (75-80%) genetically, then you're a German, even if you're born in the US. If you're born to German/Italian/Irish/Finnish/Slavic parents, that's what you are. Simple as.\n\nLike euros aren't a mishmash of their own countries themselves."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>Hindu Club\nThis is not a dig at you Bongs btw. There really is a club called that. I think the founders were Anglos with some ties to the Raj."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's because the Irish immigrants who went to America saw themselves as \"temporary refugees\" who would return to an independent Ireland. They actively encouraged and instilled Irish nationalism onto their kids and the Irish themselves encourage this because it gets them tourism money and an army of Plastic Paddy golems to shill for Irish interests in America."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>5\n>German\nWorld Wars made them lame, also Americans cannot speak German anymore\n>English\nIt's the \"default\" and therefore taken for granted and seen as boring. Nowadays having \"Anglo Saxon pride\" is also decried as White Supremacist and seen as evil/immoral/racist/etc."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>10\nEngland has plenty of French names, for obvious reasons. Normans + Huguenots gave us all the D'Arcys, Sinclairs, Bidens, Villes, Bassets, etc."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>20\n>how irrationally angry it makes Anglos online\n*all Europeans\nItalians lose their shit at Americans because they slightly modify the sacred recipes or whatever. It's always the \"AAAAA ANNNNOOO YOU A DESECRATE A DAH PASTA NNNOOO AMERICANO PIG!\""}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>45\nCaribbean and North American blacks almost always have British surnames. Every black American or Jamaican I've met has a name that would fit in Hampshire or Lancashire lol"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nCutting pasta in half is retarded though.\nIt gets soft within less than a minute of the cooking process."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>56\nThe USA is just like that as well, your impression of it from online interaction is simply muddled by the fact that everyone behaves like a caricature online.\nIntermarriage is the norm in the US, even for Jewish communities, like 50% of Jews in the US marry non-Jews now.\n>If you're mostly German (75-80%) genetically, then you're a German, even if you're born in the US.\nNo you're not, unless you actually speak German. The Amish can be called \"Germans\" of a sort because they actually speak (a dialect of) the fucking language.\nWannabe fifth columnist fags who can't pronounce Streichholzschachtel have no right to call themselves \"German\""}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nThat’s because black slaves got baptised and given new names. Obviously they’d get anglo ones."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>>If you're mostly German (75-80%) genetically, then you're a German, even if you're born in the US.\n>No you're not, unless you actually speak German. The Amish can be called \"Germans\" of a sort because they actually speak (a dialect of) the fucking language.\nWannabe fifth columnist fags who can't pronounce Streichholzschachtel have no right to call themselves \"German\"\nwas directed at\n>>57"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nThen fire up Rosetta Stone and learn the language. Talk to older relatives and learn words/phrases from them.\n\nI said GENETICALLY German, not culturally."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\nIrish and Italians are reversed in America. The Irish are worse in America but better in Ireland, and the Italians are worse in Italy but better in America.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/6Ov-nXHoVK0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>17\nMe\n>t. Albanian"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>63\nJamaicans in particular always have old fashioned British names. Nine times out of ten, if you see a black man named Clifford, Barrington, Wesley, Nigel, or Winston, they're of Jamaican descent."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>47\nHilariously, if I married a white woman, I'd still be passing down my R1b haplogroup, but with a very different genetic profile."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>56\n>why not simply be an American\n\nIt's because Anglo Saxon descended Americans made sure that we would never forget that we aren't them, and will never be them. We had to either assimilate losing everything we had or we couldn't assimilate due to either racial or ethnic discrimination. The best example of this are African Americans. Even if there's someone who was descended from nothing but freemen for 12 generations back and was as American as could be culturally, their race would immediately mark them as \"other\".\n\nBesides, I know Argentines have different issues relating to race, what happened to your black people? Even Uruguay still has a visible minority that isn't ultra mixed race, and they're even whiter!"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBiden is actually an Anglo-Saxon name. Doesn't get any whiter than that. I don't even like Biden, you're just flat out wrong."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>31\nThat's so adorable that he can't actually run on wokeshit because nobody wants that stuff so instead he has to do this quaint 1950s Democrat campaign thing like \"Yeah I'm totally a blue collar Irish dude just like you folks.\""}, {"id": 76, "content": "so he's not biologically irish, but he identifies as that and we have to accept it"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nNo idiot, his mom is Irish."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>5\n>on about being German and English\nGermans got supressed to death in WW1, otherwise I would assure they would be as autistic as Argentine Germans. As for the English, they either became Southern, consider themselves American (the last two overlap), or died as the last WASPs in New England"}, {"id": 79, "content": "My father was Scottish and was born there and yet I don't feel like I'm Scottish\nI have no connection to the Scottish people\nI think Robert Burns is a boring poet"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>65\nGlad to hear\n\n>>73\n>what happened to your black people?\nThey blended into the population. 6% have some African genes. Where did da black people disappear is some meme question only clueless foreigners ask... if you understand we only had like 500k people at independence and 7 million Euros and Middle Easterners immigrated it makes perfect sense they were outnumbered by the immigrants. Black population was small because slavery was abolished very early, there were no plantations like in the USA. They were mostly limited to domestic servants for rich people in colonial times.\n\n>>78\n>I would assure they would be as autistic as Argentine Germans\nDon't even know what this is supposed to mean but our Germans are all pretty liberal and integrated with the community, it's hard to find a German descendant that isn't part Spanish/Italian/Native or whatever. Even weird mixes like Armenian-German descendant like David Nalbandian (tennis player)."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>73\n>>80\nBTW, Uruguay is whiter but they received both less Euros (proportionally) but also much less immigrants from the rest of South America as we did in modern times, so they have less native genetics. Their population is a bit more similar to colonial times. African percentage is mostly the same in both countries, it's just that theirs are more visible and ours are more bleached.\n\nUruguay has 4% African genes concentrated in 4-5% of the population, we have 2% African gene admixture spread out in 6% of the population, people like Juan Veron (soccer player) who may not \"look black\" but they have some African heritage. So they are not \"visibly black\" but they exist."}, {"id": 82, "content": "My grandfather was mostly German yet he identified with his Irish background which was like 5% way more. No fucking clue why honestly"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nProud to be a shiItalian and also Uruguayan diaspora."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBiden is a Jewish name"}, {"id": 85, "content": "I fucking hate the USA and Biden but watching British media seethe endlessly about his visit to Ireland has been very funny"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>5\nI think it’s because (in addition to what >>60\nsaid) Irish race were people living in the shit. Viewed as “harded” by most people unlike Germans and the posh English “hur hur hur!”"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nTrump is half-Scottish. He could have visited Scotland and made a speech about Bannockburn if he wanted to annoy them I suppose."}, {"id": 88, "content": "yeah yeah we know German-American identity was largely suppressed during WWI. the Midwest has a lot of Scandinavians as well but they also largely assimilated and didn't preserve a separate identity for very long."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>65\nI'm French Cajun. It was an incredibly insular community before the late-20th century. My great grandparents didn't even speak English. I'm PVR Frog on both sides going back to colonial days."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>77\nYou get your ethnicity through your father, imagine saying your Spanish and being named van der weide.\nThis is how it goes in Europe atleast."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>75\nPoliticians, especially these kinda \"retail politicians\" who have doing it their whole lives, can often be quite charming in person. I've only met one pretty high-up guy (presidential debate stage level), not Biden though, and I thought the guy was a dummy, but they have this weird glint in their eyes that disarms people. Then if they get a decent line or joke in they'll flash that politician Smiler grin at you. It's bizarre.\n\nIt's interesting how he does it. Love him (who does though?) or hate him, Biden is either craftier than his enemies have given him credit for, or he is somehow (maybe) synthesizing American politics in a weird way out of necessity just so it can hold together. He is applying a kinda neo-Keynesian policy and folded Bernie in, but he's an old white guy who's doing that quaint '50s thing like you said. He's sorta woke in a general moral sensibility but he is totally confident in his ability to speak in the same cultural vernacular as the average retiree. Like I said, very Catholic. Which he is. There's a Catholic culture that's more \"quiet.\" He wanted to bring the temperature down.\n\n>>85\nThe British media is terrible. It's worse than America and our media is pretty fuckin bad"}, {"id": 92, "content": "To be totally fair I doubt every white American has European ancestry from the continent dating back centuries. There are definitely more whites that are the spawn of celtic and German dregs, that’ve coke more recently. So their parents probably bring it more."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy entire moms side is full Scottish and my dad is fully English. Do you spend all day on 4chan letting Americans live rent free in your head or something?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>87\nHe tried and the Scots gave him endless shit"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>20\nI'm anglo and i don't care?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\n>It's interesting how he does it. Love him (who does though?) or hate him, Biden is either craftier than his enemies have given him credit for, or he is somehow (maybe) synthesizing American politics in a weird way out of necessity just so it can hold together. He is applying a kinda neo-Keynesian policy and folded Bernie in, but he's an old white guy who's doing that quaint '50s thing like you said. He's sorta woke in a general moral sensibility but he is totally confident in his ability to speak in the same cultural vernacular as the average retiree. Like I said, very Catholic. Which he is. There's a Catholic culture that's more \"quiet.\" He wanted to bring the temperature down.\nwhat the fuck are you talking about\nhe's a senile old retard who they put up to appeal to \"swing voters\" (white middle class people), he probably literally has moments he doesn't know he's president.\nhttps://youtu.be/oGW76zRKZM0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>5\nBecause my family is from Germany and didn't stop having German traditions just because they moved to America. Do you think immigrants are stripped of all their cultural baggage at the border?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>52\n>America was swamped with various ethnics whereas in England it's just been a trickle\n\nYou’re really underestimating how England was THE land of opportunity for literally all of Europe\n\nThe prime minister of Great Britain from 1874 to 1880 was Benjamin Disraeli, a Jew whose father and mother were from Germany and Spain. His father converted to Anglicanism and thus Disraeli was raised as one. And despite many MPs shitting in him for being Jewish he was one of the most popular prime ministers ever"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>93\nStop letting the britishers lie to you you are Scottish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw no Manchurian tomboy gf who's into femdom"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHanjian"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGay in denial"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nShe was Manzu, not Hanzu"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Yoshiko_Kawashima\ndoesn't sound very manchurian to me"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBirth name was Aisin Gioro Xianyu, but she was raised in Japan"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>On 22 November 1925, Yoshiko said that she had \"...decided to cease being a woman forever.\"\n> she would only use the male style of Japanese grammar\n\n>but trans people are totally a new concept"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>the male style of Japanese grammar\neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmanchus deserve their homeland"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nManchus stopped existing after chuang guandong.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuang_Guandong\nChinks got scared after Russia annexed Primorsky (Vladivostok area) and decided to fully settle the sparsely populated Manchuria so that the Russians couldn't claim any more of it.\nThere are no native Manchus left. The people who claim to be just want the tax benefits it provides in the modern PRC."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWomen LARPing as men is a sure sign of autism."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>this\nMuch like Napoleon and Mohammed Ali"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI didn't think Japan was big on boxing. Didn't Mohammed Ali face prejudice growing up in Japan?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>face prejudice growing up\n>doesn’t know actual madlad Mohammed Ali\nAmerican education"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nNo one cares about F2M, if they want to play on hard mode they're welcome to it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndidn't the chinks execute her after the Japanese were flushed out?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "tranny"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">Even if I have a home, I can't go home. I have tears, but I can't speak. I have a law, but I can't find justice.\nHer death haiku"}, {"id": 19, "content": "days since /his/ romanticized a collaborator war criminalfu: 0"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfemdom defeats the purpose of tomboys"}, {"id": 21, "content": "BASED"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeirdo"}, {"id": 23, "content": "She is from the SHANDONGIC tribes"}, {"id": 24, "content": "She is noble commander of 88th 8 Banner Shandonger Battalion\n\nShe will never betray the Mighty Great Pan Shandong Empire"}, {"id": 25, "content": "VGH SHANDONG\nBEE\nBEE\nSEA"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\nLearning about China made Manchu women turbohot to me"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\nsauce?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\ntomboys are praised and welcomed, ywbaw"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nhuh"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\ntomboys are degenerate"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\ni made it up"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nhttp://www9.wind.ne.jp/fujin/rekisi/china/karyu/kawasima.htm"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>16\nYes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is katana the most memed weapon in the history of mankind? they're actually fucking useless."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nSwords in general are memed weapons. There's not a whole lot they can do that spears, axes, clubs, maces, and polearms can't do 100x better with only a fraction of the materials required in making them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKatanas were good swords that saw lots of use and imitation through late medieval and early modern east asia.\nThey're far from shit and I'm not taking a katana of dubious make handled by someone of nonexistant skill as indicative of their use.\nThat said, yes, I can't think of a weapon that has been more hyped and overrated than they have.\nI'd say spears are becoming a solid second place because of retards like >>2, but the distance to katanas is still beyond massive."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Katanas were fine for the role they fulfilled, which was as a sidearm and status symbol."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>a katana of dubious make\nThis is is, really. No metal should warp like that. This is a genuine ebay era katana."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nKatanas are meant to be used exclusively against flesh. Not armor, not wood, not plastic, not a rifle barrel, not even another katana."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Not armor\nThen they're fucking useless."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou need an American blade to defeat an American beverage."}, {"id": 9, "content": "katanas not only are useless but are also gay tbqh. feminine \"weapon\". when I imagine a person holding katana it is some kind of skinny faggot or a woman. as opposed to something manly like claymore."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nhttps://youtu.be/vzqeu0euWA8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": "I nominate the switchblade. It's criminalization in the US is entirely based upon popular panic derived from aesthetics and media. It's not meaningfully more dangerous in the hands of a criminal than a normal folding or sheath knife."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>samurai believed the sword was their very spirit\nimagine what regular coke would reduce Ichiro to"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nThe sword is a far better weapon than all those meme melee weapons. They just happen to have a specialization whereas the sword is a generalist weapon."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Swords are oversized knives"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nThat's a good point. When I finally got my hands on one, it was very disappointing"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Did someone mention a meme useless weapon?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably, though a lot of people shit on katanas just as much in response to them being so overhyped by media. Historically speaking a samurai’s main weapon on the battlefield was either a bow/arquebus or a spear/polearm, with the katana being reserved for intense close quarter fighting or in case your spear/polearm broke. They got mythologized since they were symbols of the samurai as a class, used for duels and self defense, and carried around all the time. The whole folded a billion times thing is because Japanese iron is shit, so the whole process was necessary to make the swords decent in the first place. As far as it’s actual effectiveness in battle is concerned it seems the Ming held a pretty high opinion of them, in the Battle of Byeokjegwan during the Imjin War the Ming literally cited their daos (Chinese swords) being inferior as one of the main reasons they were defeated by the Japanese. (Battle devolved into a dense melee) The Japanese also seemed to think Chinese swords were pretty trash, and they would use the ones they found as impromptu spikes for their fortifications. Of course that might be saying more about Chinese swords than anything else, but I don’t really have any other examples I can think of that bring up katanas in particular."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect, if you want a curved blade go for an English cavalry sabre or a Persian scimitar. Both places had better metal techniques and technology than the Japanese. In japans peak katana production age, the Scottish had been making better swords for about 300-500 years. Some katana are beautiful pieces of art and the Japanese have cool weapon technique that has survived but that’s about the nicest thing I can say about them. Check out /k/ and ask the kommandos. They’ll know more about metal types and modern blacksmiths / forgers than I can remember."}, {"id": 19, "content": "IIRC the Germanic tribes in proto-feudal castle towns/city states had better construction methods for arms/armor. They were beautiful pieces of craftsmanship that were also amazing tools of war. That only really got more noticeable as they got placed under a local hegemon and urbanized more later on down the line. Tod did a pretty cool video on it a while back.\n>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hz-WDYtYCw&t=206s [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nThey were for killing peasants not soldiers"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am not a bottle slicer expert. How should this have looked with a proper sharp sword (of any type)? I would guess it would slice into it and embed itself minimum, but would it completely cut it apart? The latter seems a bit anime for something of a consistency such as plastic+water (I'd expect it for something like flesh)."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>21\nWhat happens if you use a katana that isn't a halloween toy:\nhttps://youtu.be/bAkEd8r7Nnw?t=237 [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKatanas weren't made for war since the 1650s, they banned samurai duels around that time and had roughly 200 years of peace under a feudal military dictatorship. Also their unification war was fought almost entirely with guns, which they were continuing to manufacture during their peace time."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\n\nSwords has absolutely no strategic value on the battlefield. A formation of swords cant accomplish anything.\n\nA formation of spears has a hundred different strategic values.\n\nSpears could be mass-produced with very little cost. A sword required a hundred times more effort and cost to make."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nspot the skinny fat hema autist"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen you buy a sword from China it probably won't arrive sharpened even when it says it is sharpened."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nMost if not all swords \"Made in China\" are really just what most hoplologists would call \"Swordlike Objects\". They aren't even intended for cutting and often use very soft steel. Their purposes are usually just as LARPing props OR as decorative art pieces, not as proper cutting tools. I honestly think thats what gives katanas in general a bad name. Properly made katanas are on par with European broadswords."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWasn't it just yesterday that caused the massive schizo outrage"}, {"id": 29, "content": "katana is overrated, and staff is underrated"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\nAnd that's great up until that shit breaks, gets interleaved, or fighting gets close. Everyone who could afford a sword brought one, to the point where the Swiss had to have regulations forbidding pikemen from wearing full on longswords so they'd bring something shorter."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\n*Laughs in latin*"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. But the katana was a good sidearm for its place and time regardless."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't useless, but it wasn't exceptional either like in anime. It was the equivalent of a saber, scimitar or some other curved cavalry sword.\n\n>katana.webm\nIf a bottle of coke can bend it permanently, it must be made of poor quality iron not steel.\n\nPoor quality iron was actually a problem in Japan which only has iron sands as a source of ore, this may have contributed to the myth of the Katana, their owners being among the few able to afford the best steel, they could have shattered the weapons of the Ashigaru levies or poorer Samurai. However, compared to a saber or scimitar from elsewhere in the world they were about the same."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nSo where did they source proper steel sourced during sakoku?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThey used a,way of forging that turned pig iron into carbon steel, I think."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">If all the women that you ask out reject you, then it's you. Not the system, not them, not some arbitrary condition but YOU.\n\nIs he correct?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nEvil rat."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is always room for improvement on your part, but it's also true that women overvalue themselves and undervalue men. Women rate 80% of men as below average, and even Peterson acknowledged that."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Just wait until you get a bit older. I'm in my 40s and women won't leave me alone. Perhaps that's depressing, but I am awful at relationships and deserve to be perpetually single, so it's nice to have a series of short relationships if you can get used to them ending. Women's standards change a lot as they mature, and some of them stop chasing idiots.\n\nJust like with men, most women are NPCs on autopilot. There are a lot of thoughtless people out there, consumed only with their own desires and emotions. It takes some digging, but there are women looking for something better, and not physically. But you've already fucked up if you're massively overweight.\n\nAlso rejection hurts more when you're younger and the hormones are making you feel more desperate. Relax and concentrate trade on your career and hobbies."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt isn't that all the women reject you, it's that the jealous men destroy you. Repulsive, creepy men have no trouble."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf all women reject you, you are justified in raping them."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nDemonic weasel, adversary of order and corruptor of logos."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nThat's only on social media apps and the like, I don't trust those contraptions."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>But you've already fucked up if you're massively overweight\nYeah that's a mental thing."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWell that’s where everyone is.\nThere are no women at bars\nNo women at the mall\nNo women “out on the town”\nNo one goes to a food place or a tourist destination to meet potential boyfriends\nEveryone dates online\nLife trying to find a woman is hellish for a man under 30."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAre you from the U.S.?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nYea but there are also lots of ugly guys with girlfriends"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nYeah college is the last time where you can meet young attractive women organically"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost likely. You need to look for the common denominator. Is there another question beind your question, OP?\n\n>>6\nGood post. Men's sexual market value increases over time unless they waste their time.\n\n>>12\n>No one goes to a food place or a tourist destination to meet potential boyfriends\nThey do go to gyms to meet some. A family friend paid for a gym membership, met a guy on her first day there and never felt the need to go again. They are married."}, {"id": 17, "content": "He’s not wrong\n\nNature has NO time for losers or consolation prizes"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Elliot Rodgers couldn’t figure this one out and look what happened."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy he wears two-face suits now?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\nFilthy goyim"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nOne of his key insights is that the \"ideal\" state for a human being to live in is the line between chaos and order, heaven and hell etc. I think he's trying to incorporate that into his wardrobe, but like most things he's put out in the past couple years, the only limit he's reaching is one between cringe and embarrassment."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is a classic example of the “personal is political.” This is also a perfect example of sophistry. He is using a universal generalization without any proof. A person's inability to maintain romantic relationships is not a reflection of their value. Some people prefer solitude or simply aren't ready."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nElliot Rogers literally never asked out a girl even once, in his entire life. He believed he was attractive and rich enough that women should approach him. He said as much in his manifesto. Dude went on a killing spree because he refused to \"lower himself\" by asking girls out."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThis is a classic example of \"bullshit\".\n>He is using a universal generalization without any proof.\nCommon denominator is evidence.\n>A person's inability to maintain romantic relationships is not a reflection of their value.\nNobody mentioned value.\n>Some people prefer solitude...\nDoesn't even relate to the question, because such a person wouldn't necessarily seek success in approaching.\n>Some people ... simply aren't ready.\nThanks for agreeing with JP.\n\nTake your estrogen."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>>>/r9k/"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\nBased."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\nThere's also churches I guess. I thought about doing that, but I realized I can't stomach Christianity anymore and I'd feel bad about misleading a Christian woman if I just faked it. Do people really not go to bars or something anymore? I don't know because I'm a borderline incel."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\nThis"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>I'd feel bad about misleading a Christian woman if I just faked it\nNormal dudes don't give a shit. I've seen it so many times dudes go to churches just to hit on chicks then make them their girlfriends and never go back to service."}, {"id": 30, "content": "He's right, but the mass psychological experiments that somehow got out of the lab called social media completely shattered normal human relationships.\n\nI would modify his statement as such:\n>If all the women that you ask out or message reject you, then it's you AND your online profile. Not the system, not them, not the ALGORITHM, not some arbitrary condition but YOU AND YOUR ONLINE PROFILE."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nSee the thing is though, if you're looking for wife material I think serious, trad churches are probably the way to go. In that case, they're most likely not going to put up with a faker. That's just my impression being raised in churches like that. Most churches are full of nominal Christians however, so being a faker isn't that big of a deal since most people there aren't that serious about the religion to begin with."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nI never had social media and I never will.\nCope and seethe kikes."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nChristianity is perfectly rational and reasonable. Plantinga and Swinburne use modal logic and probability calculus to show that the faith in Christianity and the metaphysical worlds it opened up are completely sound."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI don't care about the logical side of it so much really. It's emotional. I don't like many things about the religion. I don't think it's necessarily more rational or compelling than other religions however."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nI know this is 4chan and people aren't the brightest social butterflies out there but if you want to get women and don't have even just a simple innocuous Instagram profile with some semi-decent outdoor pictures and the like, you're a retard shooting itself in the foot. There's plenty of perfectly normal women who use them, not all of them are BPD social media junkie whores who post their bodies for million of thirsty males to see.\n\nGet on with the times. You either consciously utilize the new tools that are available to everyone or let other people who know how to use them cuck and stomp you and invisibly devour all your potential partners without a clue because you're living like it's 2004."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>but if you want to get women and don't have even just a simple innocuous Instagram profile with some semi-decent outdoor pictures\nThis is the truth and it sucks because I hate that shit. You have to have it now. All I have is a blank profile I use to follow instawhores. Even though I don't use my real name it's tied to my real phone which probably isn't good, people I work with have probably seen it. I hate that shit too when it recommends you people from your contacts."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nI can't, I used a fake FB profile when in college for file sharing and that's that. The moment I post a picture online I feel like I lose to evil.\n\nI'm ambiverted though, so I socialize after tennis or sports."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>so I socialize after tennis or sports.\nThose people keep talking amongst each other through their phones, probably make group chats and are interacting way more when they're not playing sports. You're missing out.\nIt's not like uploading 3 pictures (more than enough) of you from afar is going to have glowies accompanied by zuckerberg and World Economic Forum goons knocking on your door or something. They already have your phone number anyways."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt really depends. I'm inclined to say \"yes\" if it's literally every woman you're asking out. It's either how you come across or who you're asking. If you're setting your standards too high you will get a lot of rejections. If you have a one dimensional view of the issue and are, dare I say it, a \"chud,\" then you're going to get a lot of rejections. Focus on making yourself socially and professionally competent and you'll have no problem."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If enough people do something its no longer bad"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>5\nDepends on where you live\n\nIn Brazil i have seen some ugly men dating beautiful women but never the opposite (that not to say that the type of women you mentioned don't exist here)"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">I will have to use virginity statistics as a proxy for the harder-to-measure romancelessness statistics, but these are bad enough. In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 20% of average nineteen year old men. Compared with virgins, men with more sexual experience are likely to drink more alcohol, attend church less, and have a criminal history. A Dr. Beaver (nominative determinism again!) was able to predict number of sexual partners pretty well using a scale with such delightful items as “have you been in a gang”, “have you used a weapon in a fight”, et cetera. An analysis of the psychometric Big Five consistently find that high levels of disagreeableness predict high sexual success in both men and women.\n\n>If you’re smart, don’t drink much, stay out of fights, display a friendly personality, and have no criminal history – then you are the population most at risk of being miserable and alone. “At risk” doesn’t mean “for sure”, any more than every single smoker gets lung cancer and every single nonsmoker lives to a ripe old age – but your odds get worse. In other words, everything that “nice guys” complain of is pretty darned accurate.\nhttps://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\njust be competent bro"}, {"id": 44, "content": "Everyone knows pete says silly things. I think his fanclub has probably died down considerably with time as well"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>15\nThis is why I still go to my local college bar even though I’m 34"}, {"id": 46, "content": "Juden Peterstein"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's both you and the system. You for being an ugly, depressed, useless joke of a \"man\". The system for completely destroying men-women relationships, unbalancing the sexual market and allowing animal-like hypergamy (30% of men reproducing with 60% of women)."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>12\nPeople on social media also exist in real life."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dunno man. I'm 29, I've been single for 3 years now, and trying to find a woman seems impossible. I'm a pretty good looking guy, I'm fit and healthy, I have interests, and a fairly interesting job.\n\nI've tried, and am currently trying, the online dating thing. The only matches/messages I ever get are from Filipinos obviously looking for a green card, incredibly obese women, or single mothers. When women who seem like they'd be a perfect match ignore me I wonder what the hell I can do better. It's not like they're turned off by my horrible personality because it's never gotten to that point anyway.\n\nI have no idea where I can meet women in the real world. None of my hobbies have a particularly high number of women in them.\n\nMaybe the issue is with me but I have no idea what that issue is or how to fix it. I aint fucking a fatty."}, {"id": 50, "content": "casino bowling BALLS"}, {"id": 51, "content": "Fucking SLUT MACHINES"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>6\nWhat incels don't understand is chad is over 30. Nothing makes a pussy drier than a man in his 20s. I look back at how pathetic I was. No wonder I didn't get laid."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\n>>51\nCHECK'EM AHHHHHH\nI'm also banned from starting a thread but reply is fine what the hell"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nRead this:\n>>52\nIt wasn't my comment btw, I just agree with that anon. Just wait until you're as old as me and relationships are a huge annoyance because it takes away from my me time and hobbies. Plus most women are dependant emotional vampires and that gets really, really old, though I remember not being bothered by it as a young guy. Women have driven the cost up for sex so high I'd rather stay single.\n\nAs a 40-something, if you stay in shape and seem to enjoy your own life, you will get female orbiters, which is amusing. At least 5 different women keep regular tabs on me hoping to get a piece eventually."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>35\nWrong. If a woman is addicted in Instagram is because she has totally bought into the hypergamous lifestyle. She's sticking her tentacles all the way out, hoping to get thr highest value guy possible, and fucking everything else that catches her fancy on the way. I reject any social media addict; they're low value and just mentally ill as we expected social media addicts to be.\n\nIf you are a quality person and want a quality match, filter out that shit."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthanks for the insight, junkie"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nYou're probably right but I don't want fuckbuddies and orbiters when I'm in my 30s and 40s. I want a life partner."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this is what western thought comes down to in 21st century\n\nThere's no hope, is there"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsheogorath"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>42\nThe world is favoring the degenerate and the criminal. It's funny how this happened and if it was always the case.\n\nDid the criminal always enjoy life the most in the past?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nNo because in the past many societies had Darwinian socio-economics built into them in one form or another\nCriminals were frequently mobbed and killed, smart and forward-thinking people had more resources and thus had more children to pass on their genes to, dumb and short-sighted people would starve, get into fights and be killed, and their genes would presumably flounder because they couldn't get the resources they needed to have large families\nIt's only in our current humanistic, welfare society that dysgenic traits can out compete what can be seen as positive or productive traits, the trash can just get gubmint gibs to pay for their mewling little cabbages, while intelligent people are increasingly having fewer and fewer children for various reasons (demoralization, cost/standard of living creep, etc)"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nThis isn't to say this problem is only a modern one, the problem has been growing over time, it's just never been worse in terms of dysgenic traits being so good at competing with healthy traits"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>Criminals were frequently mobbed and killed\nUnless they were cunning enough, then they got jobs in government."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>unknown\nFucking brutal."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no place for me to ask women my age out. There's no young women local church communities, there's no women in rural areas, in urban areas your only chance is signing up for university, and even then, men outnumber women 10 to 1 in STEM -- good luck lol. Your best bet is studying medicine, but for that you need to sacrifice few years of your life to study for entry exam lol.\nIt really is over for western societies. 60% of young men are now single."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n*maybe not few years, but 1000-1500 hours to do a career/sudden life path change and get into some med school and even then you are not guaranteed a girlfriend"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYes. For every problem in your life you must ultimately look inward. You are responsible for every moment of your life. Only you. Every other idea is a fiction made up by your ego to protect you from the truth. And your life is only ever the present moment. Meaning now. Meaning that you are always responsible for how you feel right now. You create your own satisfaction and meaning."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>You are responsible for every moment of your life.\nEven if you were in a situation not caused by you?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>49\nYour profile pictures are just bad. Thats all it is. Get better photoes"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nsociety forcing me to go to school where I was surrounded by aggressive lunatics who went through puberty earlier than I did was sure my fault. So let's look -- that's about 10 (most important) years scratched off of my life already thanks to depression, and repeated failures throughout highschool + few more years because I had to make up my lacking education. Totally my fault right? And not that of my retarded parents, people who are in charge of education system? Woke shitstains who only focus on putting women on pedestal and refusing to look at problems of teenage boys?\nI am unlikely to ever start a family and have successful relationships based on my track record but I absolutely refuse to take responsibility for that. I take responsibility for improving my life from now on and putting in daily effort, but if I fail and that gets me nowhere then it wasn't my fault. I'll die knowing that western society was a failure, not me."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">Read demoralization posts on here\n>Remember that irl everyone who wants to has a decent gf\n\nThe internet \"community\" is the worst thing ever."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know. I was told to avoid them."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If 109 women that you ask out reject you, then it's you. Not the system, not them, not some arbitrary condition but YOU.\n>If 109 countries expell you that's different"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJuden Peterstein"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>68\nYour reaction to that situation would probably speak to you and while you shouldn't flaggelate yourself, you should acknowledge and seek to redeem your flaws in behavior"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, I disagree with that, giving women a choice in literally anything is why society is infested with vermin."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>49\nPerfection."}, {"id": 79, "content": "I only date women who don't use social media. They exist."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nGood, those are not NPCs."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf only these women understood the true value of a man like me. They refuse to accept it and miss their chances to get the best. Their rejections are simply the reflections of themselves; they are not valid criticisms."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>68\n\nYes.\n\n>>70\n\nAnd? You choose what meaning to ascribe to that. You make your own happiness.\n\nRead and apply the Power of Now and you guys could actually live a content life.\n\nAlso, stop caring about this material world. It has nothing to offer but misery. Do not let it upset you. Instead, use it only so far as it supports your practical needs."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>70\n\nMeant to add it doesn't matter who is at \"fault.\" Fault is a concept that YOU ascribe. The past doesn't exist. Only the present moment exists. Disconnect yourself from your thinking and you'll see that all these thoughts are not generated by you, but by your egoic mind. Your egoic mind builds up an ego, a narrative, in order to protect you. But true courage is telling your egoic mind that you don't need protection and that you're in control. It's called taking agency over your own life. Stop allowing your egoic mind to control you. You are the one in control."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>71\nyou don't hear about lonely men in real life because politicians want to just shove this issue under the rug, and when you meet and socialize with people you artificially select for outgoing people who somehow are successful in this system. But all newest research says that about 60% of (young?) men are lonely. Better look at your family."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nThere would be a mass shooting pushback if those numbers were to be believed."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nI think that's because those men get their partial socialization fill from sources like social media, streamers (parasocial relationship), or discord \"friends\". Take those things away and they would be out there wrecking shit up."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>43\nIt's called work.\nAnd women love competent men."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if you can't meet modern women's insane standards it's on you"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>39\n>Just have social skills and be extroverted broo xD\nThank you for your brainlet input."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe from a modern perspective."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nYou can trail extroversion."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>41\nyou're a poor country"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>just switch you personality 180\nthank you retard"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>6\nWhat are the ages of these women?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>74\nGo sully another site, you coward."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>6\n>just wait until you are 40 brooooooo"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>54\nI want a gf now when I'm in my physical peak in my 20's not at 40 you fucking shit for brains TRP imbecile.\n>hurrrr Chad is 75 years old acktually\nNo he isn't, Chads were literally fucking at 15 or so, if anything they stopped fucking as much after 30 you guys are nuclear copers."}, {"id": 98, "content": "this >>5\n\nIf you were some turbo gigachad you'd have a gf, sure, but things are more difficult for men today, it has never been like this in history. Take anyone from previous generations and raise them in a society where they are socially alienated and everyone is brainwashed to think men are toxic and you'd see similar results.\n\nFurther, even if we were to strive to become gigachad, we would only be doing it to conform to this demoralized neurotic society. Why bother? There are plenty of other options in life. Why not strive to become a good christian man and marry a christian woman and live the traditional lifestyle your ancestors did before the \"sexual revolution\"? Why conform to a society that hates you? It's a dead end, the future belongs to ethnic minorities and the few white people still raising families.\n\nIt is time to give up on the whole leftist experiment that began in the 60s, we can see the writing on the wall now, it has run its course. It was all a ruse to corrupt and weaken us, we would be much happier without it. Yes, work hard, work on yourself to get a wife, but work AGAINST the system dragging you down, not with it."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is he cosplaying as the TF2 announcer?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>8\nThis. Might makes right\n\n>>13\nRent free?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>unknown\nThat’s why women shouldn’t be trusted with matters of the state. Nothing they select for has any basis in logic. They are retarded. All of them."}, {"id": 102, "content": "I'm sad this post is dripping with resentment. The people around you are a mirror of yourself, if you are surrounded by ugly, degenerate non-virgin women, what does that say about you?"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>12\n>There are no women at bars\nWrong, I fucked one a month ago\n>No women “out on the town”\nWrong, I got their number a week ago"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\n>post\nthread*"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>27\nPeople go to bars, they just meet women online beforehand that they then take to the bar. Women don't go to bars anymore unless someone's already taking them."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nOf course he is correct but that doesn't mean that it's enough to wash your penis or that you should now like feminism all of a sudden.\n\nI'm living proof that women care about more than good looks because I'm good looking and got rejected multiple times.\n\nOne might say I increased the chances of getting rejected by falling in love with unattainable girls (unattainable not because of their superior looks but because of their peculiar connection to me). You can be very good looking but if you're a loner, a creep if you give off serial killer vibes women can almost smell that."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>If everyone around you is saluting Hitler except you You're the problem not them."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, but that doesn't mean that the \"problem\" is solvable"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>85\nThe world isn't America, in most of the Western world it's 1 extremely hard to commit a mass slaughter 2 the consequences (spending the rest of your life in prison or having to kill yourself) are enough to put off most people, and depression doesn't always equate being a psycho full of rage or even bloodlust"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody wants to think that women have unrealistic standards."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>106\n>You can be very good looking but if you're a loner, a creep if you give off serial killer vibes women can almost smell that.\nJust lol\nThe famous female personality detector meme"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>106\nAnd you know you're good looking because... your mom and your aunt told you? Lol.\n\nBeing in shape or not short doesn't make you necessarily good looking"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nIt kind of does\nVery few men are in shape and not short, contrary to the LARP you hear on this site"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\n>And you know you're good looking because... your mom and your aunt told you?\nYou mean they lied?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\n>>112\nI've been told that I'm very good looking and that girls must be waiting in line all my life. I know this is the internet but I'm objectively good looking by these evolutionary psychology / lookism criteria as I'm tall, have light hunter eyes, a good jaw line, beautiful hands, naturally good teeth and so on. But I'm painfully shy and I might have some type of personality disorder. I had a gf in the past and had sex with multiple women but years of isolation have basically made me a modern Fredrick Clegg."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\n>I've been told that I'm very good looking and that girls must be waiting in line all my life\nYes, your parents and friends lie to you to be ncie and because they know you're depressed and / or have no confidence, happened to me to, doesn't make you attractive. At best you're average"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, it is YOU that are ugly or genetically unfit because of autism or other disorders."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>52\nwhat a fucking cope. Men get uglier and uglier incommensurably every year by the time they're 30, sometimes evern sooner.\n\n\n>but you have more money!!!1!\n\n1) not necessarily\n2)even if you do at best you're gnna get some washed up eastern european / third world goldigging whore who'll empty your wallet and leave you for a younger, more good looking actual chad\n\nNow that women don't need a man to be independent that meme about muh old guys slayers is over."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>54\nLol Chad is 30? The chaddest guys I know started in fucking middle schoold and got hotther and hotter girlfriends in Highschool and Uni and still do now that they're almost 30. Fuck I would much rather get sexual life from 13 to 30 and then never have sex again that having no young lovers and starting a sex life with washed up infertile desperate whores and retarded goldiggers when I'm 30-40"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes wow how defuq did he come to that realization :)"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat a genius"}, {"id": 122, "content": ":)"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrue.\nI mean, if you only get rejected then either you aren't asking enough women out, or there is something wrong with you.\nPerhaps you don't have good hygiene or posture, or you don't know how to talk to women or which women are in your league.\n\nSure there are plenty of problems with modern dating, but I think the manosphere overstates them.\nI don't think 'modern women' have really changed all that much. Maybe they are less good at being wives, but I don't think they're that much harder to get"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\n>or which women are in your league\nThis is such a dumb statement, you either like X or not. We are souls with bodies, not bodies with souls, as the Muslims say."}, {"id": 125, "content": "I regret making this thread.\nJannies please delete.\nResentful garbage."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>92\nYeah but we are rich in sovl and that all that matters"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>9\ngood post"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>42\n>tfw your agreeableness as measured with the Big5 is in the 10th percentile and you still don't have sex"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWomen owe me sex"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nThey owe you a meal and some talk."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, he is absolutely dead wrong. Modern women are worse than cancer. They're responsible for all of the sexual societal ills that came after the Sexual Revolution. Our patriarchal male ancestors have been greatly vindicated by the degenerate age we're living in. Let this be a lesson learned."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n109 women rejected me, I'm clearly being persecuted"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>94\nI guarantee they're in their 30s and are desperate. That's not a criticism, just an observation of women in their 30s and my male friends/colleagues who are single and in their 30s/40s.\nWomen from the age of 14 to 29 ALL want physically fit, athletic, handsome men in their 20s.\nWhat a lot of betas don't realise is that they were ignored in their 20s because they were not sufficient for women who were in their PRIME.\nHowever, with their ovaries literally becoming barren, women in their 30s+ are desperately looking for a sperms donor/ meal ticket. It's not that these beta men suddenly became handsome in their 30s and 40s. It's simply that women's standards dropped considerably. Chad, who is ALWAYS in his 20s, will not pick them over tight beauties also in the 20s. Therefore, single women who were not good enough to entrap Chad with children/marriage come with their begging bowl to the beta men who they rejected the decade prior.\nBeta man suddenly thinks he's Chad, he coquettishly declares \"Men hit their prime in their 40s!\" whereas the literal reality is they are merely scraping the bottom of Chad's barrel of cast-offs.\nSad.\nMany such cases."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>132\noy vey"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nYou say that, but you don't understand that the same \"chads\" who were banging whores throughout their 20s are generally uninterested in marrying women who aren't whores to begin with. The only difference between a \"chad\" and a \"beta\" is that one maintains an illusion of being high value, but both of them could and would easily end up being loser divorced alcoholics. In reality there's only two kinds of women; virgins, and low value."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's the incompatability between you and the system. Who has the ethical responsibility to be different, if anyone, is a question nobody will have an identical answer to."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is he correct?\nYes and no, the logic is bad.\nIf every woman turns you down you're clearly doing something wrong.\nAny given behaviour or personal quality being wrong instead of right however is 100% up to women and the system though, so he's making a very stupid circular argument."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>94\nAs someone else said and was accidentally correct, they're all in their 30s and desperate. I'm not pretending, but also they're all a lot younger than me. I'm not a chad. Just a loner who didn't desperately chase women.\n>>96\nEvery man should. Grow the fuck up and learn some patience. Your desperation and lack of self esteem is palpable."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>97\n>physical peak\nExactly what someone nowhere near their mental peak would think. So desperate."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk Im ugly\n>NO THATS NOT TRUE BRO JUST TAKE A SHOWER\n-_-"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>123\nthe vast majority of women consider the average man far beneath average.\nWomen are wired to married up, but women do not need to get married, they can jump from social circle to social circle without any issue, whereas historically they would require a man to look after them, for physical protection, social protection, literal sustenance through labor, but now everything is provided, police, codes of conduct, easy access to food, they can focus entirely on maximizing their social experience while males have gained no advantages, sure they dont have to hunt, but this also means one thing they used to do which would give them an edge at gaining women has been taken away from them.\nMen gained women through physical ability.\nToday women do not need a man to use his physical ability, she can select based entirely on superficial features, which many women choose to do.\nThis has been catastrophic.\npeople are not having relationships, let alone getting married.\nThis is not a sustainable system, and sorry but progressivism has no answer to this, liberalism has exclusively degraded and derided the position of men in society then abused and mocked them when they pointed it out.\nLiberal Society, jewish society, deserves to be destroyed.\nSimple as"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>138\nPathetic beta provider cuck. No man should have to wait until he's middle-aged for chad's post-wall leftovers and seconds to settle with him as their beta provider. Also, sex at your 40s is nothing like sex at your 20s and younger. By that age it doesn't even matter if you make it."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\n>sex at your 40s is nothing like sex at your 20s and younger\nThat's right, it's immeasurably better you retard. You're a slave to your hormones."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nGigacope. You're low-test if you are with some post-wall bitch cunt who wouldn't have given you the time of day before."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nYou sound hopeless. Obese?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>41\n>>41\nThis, where I live its the opposite (Liberal Shithole)\nAlways see decent looking dudes with busted women, and it's been more difficult to date here than anywhere else I've lived. Time to move to eastern europe lads.."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\nWe're full"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>111\n>That pic\nTop kek"}, {"id": 149, "content": "what happened to him"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>111\ntheres a reason hot serial killers got fangirls like bundy and not gacey"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>149\nSinged big contract with The Daily Wire"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, and you know this.\n\nThe blackpill is totally real. Incels are almost completely right. Criminals will always get way more ass than criminologists. Women absolutely need to be kept under thumb or else your society is fucking doomed and we all know this because its happening. You can name edge cases till you're blue in the face but it changes nothing. We will never survive like this."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>141\nThe majority of men haven't been hunters for millenia"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>35\nThis is why i fuck hookers exclusively. Fuck this dystopian gay ass earth i wish it would blow up already."}, {"id": 155, "content": "Peterson is an old boomer who doesn’t realise that shit like online dating has totally blown up the old tradcon institutions, especially when combined with feminist-pushed legal changes.\n\nHim and Ben Shapiro will keep pushing the tradcuck man up line, but more and more men will keep opting out of marriage and relationships no matter how much roasties shame them for it and push the MSTOW meme."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndepends on a few factors. are you asking out women at least somewhat around your own league? like are you a 3 who's asking out nothing but 10s or are you a 5 asking out 4-7s? the former is entirely your fault, but it's so unlikely that you'd get a 100% rejection rate as a fairly normal guy asking out fairly normal women that if it were the case, it's probably something wrong with the system.\n\nbut what do I know? I'm tall and handsome and women usually talk to me first, so I've never actually been rejected in my life."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nboomers don't understand hoflation. men today have to work 10x harder than their grandfathers for women 10x worse than their grandmothers."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>12\neven with nearly 100% social media saturation, less than half of people even use dating apps and only a fraction of those actually ever meet anyone from them."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>35\nSorry but this is total bullshit, barely anyone is going to look at some dork in a forest on instagram, and we all know what tinder is like.\n\nIf it is easy for some men it is likely because they have socialized near continually since childhood, if you get to the \"chat\" stage they will scope you out and see you have friends and go to parties, they can tell if you have years uninterrupted of building social skills and passed every social milestone. If it so happens you are some rags to riches success story, then you would at least understand our situation, you wouldn't be giving us vague shit advice like \"take a shower, be confident\".\n\nOP is partly right, if we put a herculean effort into gaining social skills we might have broken the cycle and avoided this fate, but we were dumb teenagers for fuck's sake. As adults we now have to pave our own way, but a huge part of our lives still depends on our society and community, the former doesn't give a shit about us and the latter basically didn't exist for us. You plonk a practical child in a high school full of wannabe gangsta dipshits, wonder why they don't instantly synch and go \"well fuck you then\" then wonder why we are like this."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSay what you want about him but the man knows how to dress"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>158\nDoesn't matter, just the fact that they exist means that men are on the ropes. Women know they can make ridiculous demands of pussy-hooked beta bfs or husbands, since they can call up Chad on their cellphones literally ANY time.\n\nThe vast majority of men don't have the same options, and so do what they have to to keep their pussy ration coming. It's pathetic and gay but that's just how it is, you're competing with a horde of betas who will be literal slaves for women in relationships. Sure if you're really attractive and dominant you can still get sum fukk but pretty much no dudes have any leverage in relationships anymore.\n\nIt sounds like an incel thing to say or whatever, but it's the truth."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>144\nI don't think this is even a matter of test, it's about taking care of and looking out for yourself.\n\nIn theory, there's nothing wrong with dating or marrying older women, and betas and feminists are actually correct to point out that the average Joe can't reasonably expect to be with exceptionally hot young women, just statistically it's not going to happen.\n\nThe problem with being with a lot of older women is that you reasonably have to worry that their motivations are wrong. A lot of older women are looking for a man, any man to lean on, and that's going to be a real problem for you as a man if you end up with someone who isn't passionate about you, or even really that fond of you.\n\nBasically, ending up trapped with with a woman who doesn't like you for you and just wants to be in a relationship is the male equivalent of what being used for sex is like for a woman.\n\nPeople want to feel special, and liked for who they are as an individual, not settled for because they perform the basic functions of their sex. It's not that hard to understand."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>159\nTbf that dude is a loser, I used Tinder for a month and got laid after like 20 matches. I'm not that good looking either."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>12\nThis person has never met a woman."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>162\n>there's nothing wrong with dating or marrying older women\nahahahahaaha\nEnjoy birthing Chris Chan."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>46\nFind another site to sully you evil coward"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nBack to the depths of chaos with you, demonic troll serpent.\nAdversary of righteousness, go and sully another thread, bedeviled egg of the cosmogonic void."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\nYour infantile incel replies stick out badly in this thread. You don't know shit."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nIt's customary for decent people to get younger wives for fertility's sake, Varg's wife is 15-20 year younger. Cope you literal motherfucker. Pathetic."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably it's because of (YOU); maybe not your fault, but it doesn't mean that it's necessarily anybody's else fault."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\n>maybe not your fault\nHe clearly states that it IS your fault. Your behavior was not correct."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>169\nAre you angry because that's not happening for you? Is it because of obesity? What are you going to do about it? I'm single and uninterested in women."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>165\nYou're not seeing the forest for the trees here.\n\nMy point was that even a man who is himself no spring chicken and for whom matching up with someone somewhat closer in age might seem reasonable and a more likely prospect than being with a young woman (exceptionally lovely though they obviously are), such a man might be well-advised to remain single than to rush into something.\n\nNot because there is something fundamentally wrong with older women as people, but that there are inevitably going to be older women reaching out for a man to settle down with, and this creates a danger for the man of possibly very much being settled FOR.\n\nNow again, while it's too much for a man to expect women to be head over heels in love with him, he might reasonably hold out for one who is genuinely fond of and has feelings for him. And this goes for both sexes really."}, {"id": 174, "content": "it calls a good filter for shitty women, one is good and waiting for YOU."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExplain the fact that half of millenial women will be single by the time they're 40"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>173\nI only finished HS and got a license at 28. I was ill before. I am now a college freshman. Should I go for career women or younger women who share my classes?"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>5\n>women rate 80% of men as below average\n>Source: my ass"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n/Thread"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTake of a system conformist. He wouldn't be where he is if he wouldn't play by the rules, and so his \"wisdom\" follows so.\n\nIf this is what you relate to, then yes, if not, then no."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>177\nThat number is from an okcupid data analysis. It's real and could be more skewed now than when it was originally released."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\nThat‘s not what this graph says"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>181\nWhat do you think that graph says?"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>182\nThat the average male attractiveness on okcupid is quite low"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\nWell you know they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>181\n81% of men are below average on that graph. Maybe you should go to graph reading school."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\nWhere does it say average on the graph?"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFunctionally speaking, he is correct. Adapt or fail the biological imperative."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>183\nOnline dating is for losers."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>186\nWhat do you think belongs in the middle between most/least attractive?"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>186\nSo obtuse lmao."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>189\nNot average, probably neutral. Point still stands women did not in fact rate 80% of men as below average. Even if they did that would only be for okcupid. And even if the did in fact rate 80% of all men to be below average attractiveness that wouldn‘t even be a contradiction since average ≠ median"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>191\nCorrect, it was 81%."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>191\nActually median and mean are both averages so the guy you are replying to was completely correct in his analysis. You just misunderstood him because you don't really know what average means."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>191\n>>186\n>maybe if I keep deflecting and gaslighting I can change reality\nIf the far left category is least attractive, and the far right category is most attractive, then from left to right it would be\n>least attractive\n>unnattractive\n>below average attractiveness\n>average attractiveness\n>above average attractiveness\n>attractive\n>most attractive\nNo matter how you try and frame it to suit your argument, or what you call each of these categories; it clearly demonstrates that women consider 81% of men to be of less than average attractiveness.\n\n\n>b-b-b-but what it actually means is that most men on dating sites are unattractive or [insert some other nonsense]\nThe distribution is not just in online dating. Most men now aren't having sex. Over 30% of men under 30 are still virgins and the number is growing. Do you really think these numbers exist in a vacuum? How out of touch with reality are you?"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>153\nHunting meaning broadly traditional labor rather than specialized labor."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>142\nits the same unless you let yourself go physically."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>196\nMiddle-aged sex is 100,000,000 times better than 16 to 20-something sex. (If you don't let yourself go)\n\nNever let yourself go. It's just slow suicide. One of my friends went from 155lbs at 34 to 250+ at age 40, and it is heartbreaking to listen to him wheeze and lie about attracting women."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>194\n>81% of men\n81% of men on okcupid. see >>188"}, {"id": 199, "content": "If ever single women rejects you? Yea lmao, you are probably doing something pretty fucking wrong."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, western women are absolutely mental. I'm so glad I live in a country where women know their proper stations in life."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, I didn't have a car until I was 24 and had no problem having relationships despite that major hinderance."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Right-wing atheists will often say abortion is \"eugenic\". Is there any actual proof of this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing wrong with eugenics, per se. It's wrong to enforce it on people from the top down though."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost aborted babies are niggers"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe early advocates for birth control were eugenicists"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Right wing\n>Atheists"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe sorts of people who get abortions are those with low impulse control (hence accidental pregnancy) and who don't value anything sacred (such as chastity or human life). These attitudes and temperaments are largely heritable, therefore abortion is eugenic."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThere's a huge infight between Christians and eugenicists on /pol/ and RW Twitter when it comes to abortion"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>>/pol/\nSee for yourself."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThis."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n/pol/ is dead. 90% of its users are bots. I do not visit that board anymore."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>90% of its users are bots\nMost of the Internet is like this"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIt's not just bots. I don't even think that /pol/ has that much organic traffic because whenever any right-wing e-celeb does anything the entire board gets filled with shills from their telegram promoting their website or youtube channel."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nAre you proposing a grassroots eugenics movement?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSimple, the caliber of woman who would want to get an abortion is the kind of woman who should be getting them anyway. Self-selection."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks are low IQ and violent by nature\nBlacks have the most abortions per capita\n\nVIOLA!"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nThe D e a d I n t e r n e t t h e o r y is just a theory, for now.\n\n>>12\n/pol/ is very clearly a h o n e y p o t . 4chan, 8 c h a n and such radicalised forums are always heavily monitored and shilled.\nt. has spent a long time on /x/ and /pol/\n\nP.S. Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.\nP.P.S. I've been trying to post for 5 minutes now"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nI'm a right wing atheist, ask me nothing"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\nIt makes dating pretty tough for me lmao"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this from some pregnant JAV porn? Serial number?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nStop watching porn idiot"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThey're not pregnant in the original pic, I blessed their wombs with AI.\nSadly I can't find the original pic"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\neugenics is only moral if its androcentric, not gynocentric."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>6\nBeta argument, the word impulsive is a way pathetic nerds who got stuffed into lockers at school try to stigmatize the socially dominant"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nWhat jav is this from and what AI software do you use?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSex-selective abortion would solve the incel crisis. If we abort 80% of male fetuses, the other 20% will be guaranteed to be swimming in pussy. You couldn't be an incel in that world because women would be forced to fuck you lest they end up alone"}, {"id": 26, "content": "You can kinda get proof of it in a “saying the quiet part out loud” kind of way. Abortion started as a progressive thing and until mustache man biological racists and secular progressives were united around the socially hygienic role of abortion. Even today liberal proponents of abortion often strongly imply that there is some implicit eugenic function; “poor and uneducated women need access to reproductive healthcare so they can get their careers on track” and such does imply that the poor and uneducated will be culled. There is significant difference in intent sure, abortions are being promoted to make the lives of individual poor and uneducated women better and not for the hygiene or improvement of society, but the biological impact of abortion is the same either way. Poor and black and brown women do abort at higher rates, so the goal of racist and progressive eugenicists is achieved even though the moral justification for abortion has been altered to be individualistic and nominally for woman’s benefit. Sometimes though you do get cynical lefties saying stuff like “if you chuds don’t allow abortions for poor people, should have to pay for the children’s healthcare/woman’s foodstamps etc.” This means that lefties do believe that those seeking abortions are socially dysfunctional and insolvent"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>What jav is this from\nDon't know the source\n> and what AI software do you use?\nStable Diffusion"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>13\n>what is human reproduction?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nwouldn't work unless incel phenotypes were detected in the womb and eradicated accordingly. Women will quite literally fuck dogs before incels so you can't just throw off the sex ratio and expect them to lower their standards."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nYou mean people get pregnant on purpose and then abort their children?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nNTA, but lemme just interject here and point out that women who fuck dogs are typically doing so for money. They'd gladly fuck whatever you imagine an incel to look like for money too if said incel had money to give them."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would a \"Christian\" care about eugenics?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Right-wing atheists will often say abortion is \"eugenic\"\nAs right-wing as i can be abortion is a way to purge genetics considered unfit or defective, but it must be combined with data, the needs for human resources, and advanced technology to understand if those individuals are really needed if you want a central planner to take care about that.\n\nIt could be a way to decrease sufference from bad genetics, or a way to condemn your race as you dangerously decrease genetic diversity resulting in being unable to cope with environmental change if your way to practice it is scientifically retarded, but so far artificial selection multiplies genetic diversity and you can see it in domestic animals like dogs or plants like pic related.\n\nIn conclusion, as a libertarian, do whatever the fuck you want, it is self-selection from dumb whores anyways as others pointed out."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nThey don't"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThen why would they care if Atheists think abortion is eugenic?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing wrong with eugenics. I hope abortions remain accessible for minorities."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nBecause \"dude you're playing god\", and nature for these types is not a struggle for survival, but a struggle to get rewarded at the end of your life."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nWhy do white ladies in Europe abort the kids they have with white men but never the kids they have with non white men?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nSource?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nstats?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nNiggers get more abortions. I don't believe there are statistics on white women getting pregnant by niggers"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>31\nI'm just saying if you put a golden retriever and an incel in front of a woman and told her if she had sex with either one one of them she would get 10 billion dollars, 100% of them would go with the dog."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nI’m talking about Europe dumb mutt.\n>>39\nJust my lived experience in Europe. Minorities here don’t really get abortions (i guess they take religion seriously) so European women make up the main users of abortion clinics. Nearly every European country has below replacement birth rates yet i see white women with mixed kids all the time. Some of these women are poor or young (uni students etc) so they should get be getting abortions as their quality of life is low so their kid will live a pretty shitty life…yet they choose not to and keep the baby instead even if they have to raise it alone. Why do white women who get pregnant with white men’s kids not do the same? I see many white couples but not many white kids. They give the same excuse “oh we’re poor” “oh I just graduated” but white women who are pregnant with mixed kids in the same situation still choose to give birth. Why?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nthe source is my ass i guess"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>i see thing so it must be true\ni see a lot of shit yet i'm the one crazy"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/BPUFn7sgGrqR/\nhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/0Ivohc1810rV/"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>>45\nIt is kinda shameful so I see why you’re so opposed to it but it’s the truth. You read about low birth rates across europe but see white women with mixed kids all the time. In schools the kids are all either non white (immigrant mothers pumping kids out like they do back home) or mixed with a white mother. Am I supposed to not notice this?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nLol Europe will sink into the Third World. Can't wait to observe the social dysfunction. Women deserve to live in a shithole multicultural country for not having sex with me"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nI don’t think this is true. I think most whites guys are OK with it. Whenever it comes to the euros/World Cup they cheer on either fully black or mixed (white mother always) players and see them as no different to the white players. There was a scandal with a mixed player in the UK who beat his white gf and her own white father was encouraging her to not report him and to get back with the abusive mixed guy."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nNo it's not that you're not supposed to notice shit, it's that i don't notice the same thing.\n\nBut i also noted where do you want to go with this discussion with muh cope and seethe, so i'd like to ask why those white women you see with mixed kids are so common where you live."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>I think most whites guys are OK with it.\nNah\nhttps://t.me/racerealismchannel/73"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>43\nI'm talking about niggers in Europe and the US you dumb fuck"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\n>There was a scandal with a mixed player in the UK who beat his white gf and her own white father was encouraging her to not report him and to get back with the abusive mixed guy\nThis is just standard white people cuckoldry. See also the case of Mollie Tibbetts"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nOr because, you know, money."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nI don’t know why they’re so common, I have only lived in big cities though but when I visit towns in the countryside I notice the odd mixed kid and wonder where they came from and what they’re doing in a 100% white area. I have lived in Sweden, England, Norway and France and noticed the same thing in all of these countries. It is not limited to Swedish/English/Norwegian/french women because in England in particular I’d say many of these mixed have mothers from Eastern European countries. These women can barely speak English but have mixed kids. It’s strange.\n>>51\nThese white men are a minority though. The majority get on their knees before football games and have no issue with interracial couples"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nAre you trying to say niggers in Europe abort their kids more than whites in Europe like they do in the US? Because that is not true"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>10\nSay the bot (you)"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>These white men are a minority though. The majority get on their knees before football games and have no issue with interracial couples\nHow the hell would you know?\nIf we're going by hunches, I have a feeling most people deep down find racemixing repulsive and creepy, but they pretend otherwise because saying it out loud would be a social death sentence"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nwell if it's true it is interesting, because i'm southern european and i don't see the same phenomena even amongst the whitest phenotypes here, what the fuck are nords even doing?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nIf that was true then there would be a lot less interracial relationships. They could simply tell their kids to not bring home non white partners or they would kick them out/cut them off. Instead I see old white people chasing after their mixed grandkids in the store. They could stop supporting musicians/sports stars who aren’t white but only date white ladies instead i see rap concerts full of white kids and whites commenting heart eyes under black players posts with their white gf’s. Baffling."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nDuring my brief visits to southern Europe, I saw interracial couples but only ever black woman/white man, never the other way around. There weren’t many black man around though unlike other European countries, just mainly black women. Oh and the odd white girl/nafri couple"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nInterracial relationships are actually quite rare, and rarely result in kids. The type I see most often on the street is older white woman + younger black guy"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>5\nYou can be right wing for economic reasons and also just hating woke culture."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nok i can confirm this as i was in the same highschool class with a mulatto guy with a native father, still i suppose this thing is not that common i see both races minding their own kind mainly"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>56\nin the US in absolute numbers in Europe in relative numbers, yes"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\n>rarely result in kids.\nYet Europe is full of mixed kids. Nearly every European team (excluding Eastern European countries whose mixed players never play for them) have 1-2 mixed players on their national teams either playing or as a backup. What I would see most often was:\nEngland: black guy/white woman\nSweden: nafri/white woman or asian woman/white man or black guy/white woman\nFrance: black guy/white woman or nafri man/white woman or black man/nafri woman or black woman/white man (prevalent in the south of france)\nNorway: same as sweden but with more muslim woman (of all races)/white man couples\n>>65\nMaybe this is true in the US but in Europe I doubt it. I would say 55% of blacks here are muslim and therefore stay away from abortions. I do believe mixed women have a high abortion rate though"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nFor Europe it's impossible to say as there are no statistics on race and abortion. I invite you to spend some time in an abortion clinic in Europe and look at the kind of people that go there. Might change your mind"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>17\nChrist was a blond Aryan?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nAlright, the problem is football teams are not the population. i'd like to see statistics even if i think racemixing in europe is not rare."}, {"id": 70, "content": "for some reason now i want to go outside and classify every couple i see and their kids"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ight-wing atheists will often say abortion is \"eugenic\". Is there any actual proof of this?\nit can certainly be a tool for eugenics, but not if its done voluntarily. Which none of them are brave enough to suggest. So much for Nietzche!\n\n>>6\nNope, really dumb people have the kid anyway, because they can't be arsed to get an abortion."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\nPretty sure that's supposed to be some sort of native from Britain hence the woad"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>classify\n?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccording to Steve Sailer abortion is dysgenic\nhttps://twitter.com/WesleyHoratio/status/1647360596105363457"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>54\nNo, it's psychological"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIceland nearly eliminating Down’s syndrome babies is one example"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>42\nMan has never talked to a woman in his life"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>15\nThere was an episode of Boston legal where they use 1350 as a reason to keep Woe v wade"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>71\n>not if its done voluntarily.\nHow is it not eugenic if a dumb whore voluntarily aborts her offspring"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are lots of studies of which women get abortions, they are usually poor and unmarried. Getting an abortion correlates with being single, poor, low education, low wage, past criminal behaviour, various anti-social proxies etc. The races with the highest degree of these traits (blacks) also most often get abortion, but the correlation remains after controlling for race. The pattern is the same in all countries there is data from.\n\nThe first result I could find om google scholar was this one.\nhttps://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=954145193072a92c715cd9d4fcc2013541e85972"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>6\nThis. Also unwanted pregnancies become unwanted problem children who become adult malcontents that commit crimes and become a burden on society. Plus it's mostly niggers who get abortions and that's basically the only thing keeping their population stable."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>74\nDeboonked"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>5\nI'm a lifelong atheist and my political views would be described as extreme far right by any normalfag.\n>>1 (OP)\n>abort low quality babbies\n>fraction of low quality humans in the next generation decreases\nYou have to be acting stupid on purpose to not see it. There is no other way.\n\nThe funny thing is, until ~2014 and the reddit incel exodus pretty much nobody on the far right had an issue with eugenic abortion. It's only after the new crop of societal rejects decided to \"find god\" in response to shitposts mocking atheist nerds that serious anti-abortion sentiments became a thing. On old /pol/ anybody going off about muh sanctity of life would've been laughed out of the room for falling for obvious hotbutton D&C"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nthe right and the evangelical movement are married to each other, and are locked in a dysfunctional relationship that only persists because each side knows that losing vast swathes of the religious vote to pro-Israel, pro-immigration, and anti-gun movements would be devastating for their electoral prospects. Evangelicals are the paypigs of the right and that's why they have to throw them a bone on abortion from time to time even though it fucks them at the national level"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nThe skull-fuckingly obvious solution is to make abortion illegal for white people, and mandatory for everyone else."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>6\n>who don't value anything sacred (such as chastity or human life)\npretty funny though that the people who lament nobody taking human life seriously anymore also typically make these kind of posts\n\n>>15\n>>17"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nniggers aren't human, and we never evolved to live side by side with them, which has proven to be an indefensible disaster"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>5\nAre you in rural America? I can't think where else people would think that you have to be a Christian to be right-wing."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're willing to accept the argument that having more violent crime and less social stability is eugenic, then yes.\nThe only people who believe that garbage are chuddy \"accelerationists\" who unironically want to make things as terrible as possible as quickly as possible."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>6\nAbortion is not a sterilizing procedure, so you are wrong. In reality, people who have abortions have more children because people who get pregnant once and more likely to get pregnant again as opposed to some overeducated college graduate who becomes a cat lady."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nHe didn't mention Christianity."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nThis is /his/ where all the religious larpers are Christians. You know that, you're just being obtuse."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there any actual proof of this?\nConsidering the main issue with eugenics is defining what does in fact improve the gene pool and what doesn't, such proof would be 100% dependent on the definitions given by whoever is making the claim.\nFor example, blacks abort at a massively disproportionate rate. A white supremacist could argue abortion skews demographics against blacks (whether it's actually pro white is debateable, it could be pro latino right now) and from his point of view he'd be essentially correct."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How different are Irishmen from Anglos? Ethnically and culturally speaking."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are more lucky, so don't play them in card game"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nUmm... source?!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nJust watch an Irish person play an RPG on twitch, they always put stats in luck first"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're extremely close, relatively speaking. Most English dna is from the pre Anglo-Saxon brythonic natives, who were as closely related to the Irish as you could get"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nAll people came from Iran after the flood."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDidn't Noah's Ark land in/on Ararat?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nNo its not"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nyep"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThat not Iran THOUGH"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nok, but close enough"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHenry Cavill is Irish"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nRetard."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3pX2FIc8YQ [Embed]\n\nok schizo"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nAhh yes, the people of the Middle East, geniuses as they are, do not only build their houses out of mud but also their ships"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Can someone explain where the hate of the Irish on this board comes from? Is it coping shitskins or genuine british white people?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWhat would there be for shitskins to cope about? Ireland is run by a mulatto shitskin"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nSo you think we came from apes?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\n>they always put stats in luck first\nI do this but I'm not Irish."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nIt's a group of white people for them to claim are subhuman and not truly white, thus making themselves feel better about their own situation."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nIt's a tiktok/reddit meme to pretend to be extremely racist against random white countries. Maybe it's because zoomers can't be racist like boomers used to be so they have to find ways to vent."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nWhat situation? Shitskins can go and migrate to Ireland tomorrow and get citizenship within a year or so. Irish people are subhuman, that’s why they were colonized/barely speak their native language/had their country split in 2/starved instead of eating fish. They might as well be black"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nI do not consider the question on wether the humans descend from apes as relevant to the question on the descendance of humanity in itself because humans could just as well have descended from bunnies or from pigs, who are much similar to them, in some things more than apes. However, as a polygenesist, I think that the human species descend from at least three very distinct types, isolated from each other, unequal to each other."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown\nlmao, they're also claiming that all Spaniards and Portuguese are Africans"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nTheir situation of having brown skin that leads to an inferiority complex because of the widespread racism and aryanism here.\nWhat's your definition of subhuman? Because couldn't you call the English lower class subhuman?\n>starved instead of eating fish\nAllegedly they couldn't because the British wouldn't allow them to fish"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow post a female with right's phenotype."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nThey are"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nRacism is not a big deal in Europe truthfully speaking. Anyone who says otherwise is either race baiting for money (grifting for tv appearances) or coping. Europeans are neutered and keep their racism to themselves most times. So there’s no ‘aryanism’ in Ireland. The English lower class are subhuman, I think white working class boys in England have the lowest GCSE pass rate even below blacks."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nNitpicking ugly Spaniards doesn't prove anything.\nI can also do this. Does this picture prove that all Swedes are Asiatics?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nSwedes are the biggest faggots of Scandinavia and the amount of mixing they have done with half asian finns is disgusting so yes I agree with you here"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>the amount of mixing they have done with half asian finns is disgusting so yes I agree with you here\nSource?!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>swarthy moor sees a blond person and thinks they're asiatic"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Eye canthal tilt\n>Head breadth\n>Nose shape and width\nCome on now"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\n>Shitskins can go and migrate to Ireland tomorrow and get citizenship within a year or so\nEngland is way worse as far as immigration is concerned, and has been so for a lot longer. The same is true of all western Europe. Does that not make them all more subhuman than the Irish?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nThank you for admitting Swedes are the biggest faggots. You only have to go there to see the hapa like mongrels for yourself"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nNo but really I need a source\nI don't think Swedes and Finns mixed much"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nIt is easier to get Irish citizenship than British as a migrant. England does deportations, Ireland does not. Both countries are pathetic but at least England colonized the world, what has Ireland ever done?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>28\nThat doesn't answer my original point. If the Irish are subhuman according to your definition then surely are also the British lower class.\n\n>>37\nWhy does it need to do anything? Why does a nation need to justify it's existence if it isn't hurting anyone?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nFine\nFind out yourself\nFunny that you say that"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nFinns aren't even hapas anyway. They're Swedes that speak a chink language and they have a tiny bit of said chink people who gave them the language floating around in them. China Swedes ;^)"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nYes they are\nWhy would they speak a Finno-Ugric language if they aren't hapas"}, {"id": 42, "content": "Swedes and Spaniards are white but you probably are not"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>33\nSwarthy moor doesn't even know what white people look like\n>>42\n>Spaniards are white\nno"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nThey could have been at one time. I don't remember the history. Since then though they're obviously just Balt/Scandinavian people now. We know how much chink is in them, it's like what, 1-5% if that?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nBy that definition Hungaryans are also hapas.\n>>43\n>Swarthy moor doesn't even know what white people look like\nI'm white myself how can I not know how I look"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n50% at least\nTheir population was an originally purely yellow people, barely mixed with whites and not at all with blacks."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">I'm white myself how can I not know how I look"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\n> By that definition Hungaryans are also hapas.\nObviously they are although heavily aryanized so. Much like the Dravidians, they are it's northern counterpart."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>Hungarians are asiatic\nHow far will you go with this?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nThis is me"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>50% at least\nkek"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nThere's no such thing as Asiatic. Asia is a continent. The Hungarians are the descendants of the White Huns, a heavily aryanized group of a tribe originally part of the yellow race."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nYou wouldn't pass even in France"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nI'm literally French"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nWhat percent are they of this race and how do you come to that conclusion?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nNordicists are so pathetic."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nBecause they speak an agglutinative language. Agglutinative languages are the property of the yellow race. Everywhere that a language has aggluninative elements to it, it's speakers broadly descend from the yellow race, although to varying proportions. All of Europe was once inhabitated exclusively by the yellow race but also the entirety of now Russia and Southern Siberia. The whites who inhabitated there came frequently into contact with them. Some integrated the yellow people into their societies while other whites, less fortunate than them, were forcefully put into the societies of the yellow people. Such is the story of the Huns."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>They are not white because the language they speak is agglutinative\nThat's even more ridiculous than I was expecting, well done"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nYou will never be French"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nWell, you say this but the very white languages have the ability of composing words into each other. Anywhere a language lacks this ability, the influence of another race has taken an exacerbating influence to the societal corpus, degradating the value of it's people to an ethnic value lower to that of a Germanic or of a Vedian."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nI don't quite understand, agglutinative languages allow you to put all the morphemes at the end like suffixes. Do you mean white languages must be fusional?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nWhy are you so hateful?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nExactly. Fusional languages are of the white race, agglutinative languages of the yellow race, isolating languages of the black race."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>swarthoid sees a group of blonde people\n>calls it a hate crime"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\n> Normands.jpg\nThey look so British to me, maybe it's their clothes\n\n>>64\nChinese used to be an isolating language and that's why its characters exist and are easily used for other languages. I'd personally consider such languages to be superior as they allow freer expression and can be learned more easily. What do you think of modern English? It's not very fusional anymore."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nIt is obvious that you are trolling. Good day."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>37\n>It is easier to get Irish citizenship than British as a migrant.\nwhat are you basing this on? The criteria are basically the same, not to mention the fact that the uk often makes it even easier for people from ex-colonies to immigrate\n>Ireland doesn't do deportations\nyes it does\n>at least England colonized the world, what has Ireland ever done?\nwhy is whether a country colonized people or not the standard for who is and isn't subhuman?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>Hehe he's just TROLLING haha He doesn't ACTUALLY think Spaniards are brown"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>65\nkek"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>50\nThat's a Georgian-Slav mix though"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\n> I'd personally consider such languages to be superior as they allow freer expression and can be learned more easily.\nThen why don't you speak an isolating language.\n> hat do you think of modern English? It's not very fusional anymore.\nDewhitification."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nBecause English is my native language and I already speak it. I'm saying if I had to choose say another language to communicate in I'd choose one like that. Why do you think fusional languages are better?\n>Dewhitification.\nWhat do you think caused that?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nYes, I am from Georgia originally"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\n>Georgian calling Swedes Asiatic\nBahahaha"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>56\nIs anyone able to tell me what Varg's definition of white (or nordic, or however he calls it) is? I've been wondering for a while but never cared to watch his videos."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nWe are 100% West Eurasian"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\n> Why do you think fusional languages are better?\nI don't.\n> What do you think caused that?\nThe conquering whites did not have the ability of turning the locals to speak a white language or only halfway so. After the inevitable fusion of the elements that came afterwards, there was no pure whites left who could have done such a task, and English became what it is now."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nAnd 0% French\n>>76\nAnyone with light hair(blond, red, light brown),\nlight eyes(Blue, green,), pale skin and a Caucasoid skull"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nI'm sorry for assuming you thought that\n>conquering whites\n>locals\nWho are these?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nThe locals are members of the yellow race, short in stature, slanted eyes, broad hips, not much facial hair. Then come Celts and other white people, heavily degenerated though because of contact with the yellow race. Then come the Romans, a white people but also heavily mixed with yellow and afterwards also with white people of a distinct type and inevitably black-ish. The top of the pyramid is taken by the Anglo-Saxons, an originally Aryan tribe, directly mixed with lesser members of the white race."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nBut who are these locals? What are they? Where did they live? The indigenous people of Britain are Celts."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nYes but before them, yellows inhabitated the land, the pit-fen, faunus, Fen and Fiona, fin, fin-landers, the pit-goma, pygmy people, the dwarfs and the nains, nanus."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\nSo what is light brown hair? Is it dark blond or actually brown hair? Does the guy whose head is turned at the top centre >>60 have dark brown hair?\nI'm curious if he'd consider me white now I thought his definition was Scandinavian."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>76\nVarg uses the terms \"nordic\" and \"european\" interchangeably, as he believes all of europe was originally blonde nordic. He's actually a lot less exclusionary than he's made out to be, though. He's made a lot of posts defending northern/western europeans with dark hair/eyes as \"still mostly european with some small non-european admixture\", and he draws a distinction between them and swarthy southern europeans who he seems to think are a totally different thing."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nWhy do we still use the Anglo-American term like \"white\"?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>as he believes all of europe was originally blonde nordic.\nTo him what's the appeal of that? I don't get why you'd want all white people to look the same when we're the most diverse of races.\n\n>>86\nWhy not?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\n>So what is light brown hair"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nProbably because it works very well colloquially. It's easier for americans to say than something like \"of european descent\" and doesn't invite as much questioning."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\n>To him what's the appeal of that? I don't get why you'd want all white people to look the same when we're the most diverse of races.\nI don't think it's based on some \"appeal\", rather he genuinely believes that anything other than blond, blue eyed \"nordic\" is the result of non-european admixture (even red hair)."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nSo I'm probably not white according to Varg. I'd like to say I'm not upset at this.\n\n>>89\nWhite is naturally associated with light and good things. I don't know why he'd be against that for any reason other than anti-American sentiment."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n>non-european admixture\nWhat's wrong with that then?"}, {"id": 93, "content": "OP here, I never intended for this thread to become a race-bait. I am sorry to everyone."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nI don't know exactly what varg's response to that would be but it shouldn't be hard to deduce from his general viewpoints. He clearly greatly values the nordic/european race, his people, who are perfectly adapted to their environment and with an ancestral culture and lineage that he holds as sacred (and he gets quite metaphysical about this), and clearly he thinks outside admixture is some kind of corruption of all that."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\n>I never intended for this thread to become a race-bait.\nthen what's with the OP image?\n>I don't know why he'd be against that\nI don't think he is; he uses the term white a lot"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>then what's with the OP image?\nIt was supposed to be a lighthearted joke. I didn't know /his/ took this subject so seriously."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>56\nVarg is a White Hotep."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>24\nBut... they are."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>92\n>>94\nHe believes that Nordics can are the pure descendants of Neanderthals (who were all autistic), and he traces European Paganism back to the Neanderthal Bear Cult. Implication being that Nordic people have lived in Europe for 100,000+ years and are perfectly adapted to their environment, plus its the whole 'blood & soil' thing. Almost more importantly pertains to his belief that European Paganism was heavily centred around reincarnation which was transmitted either through genetic memory or some mystical spiritual shit (he makes no solid claim), both of which have a strong racial component.\n\nBasically he's a fucking retard, but it is amusing to see what schizophrenic stuff he comes out with"}, {"id": 100, "content": "anglish mutts have snubbed noses."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>29\nYes."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>unknown\n>G. O'Rilla\nI'm dead"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>unknown\nPre-WW1 bantz were off the charts LOL"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHenri de Caville is french though"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCavill isnt an anglo-germanic. He is a french-norman phenotype, IE the phenotype of the english ruling class since 1066"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\n>celto-germanic\n>french-norman\nThis is literally the same fucking thing."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>12\nHe is very obviously Norman\n>>1 (OP)\nIsn't the obese bitch on the left Jewish?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>104\n>>105\n>>107\nCope, he's of trve English stock"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProof god has a sense of humor, he put the most successful race right next to the least successful one. Irish \"history\" consists of nothing more than being buck broken by different masters and getting mogged by Anglos repeatedly.\nNone of them even speak their own unintelligible language anymore, fenians coping about their inferiority has been degenerated to such a pathetic state that they celebrate when the queen dies peacefully in her sleep of natural causes."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nHe is literally of Irish descent\n>His Jersey-born mother, Marianne Dalgliesh, is of Scottish, English and Irish heritage\n>>105\nNormans don't look like that\n>>60"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n>he put the most successful race right next to the least successful one.\nI didn't know Ireland was next to Germany."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\nHow do you define the success of a \"race\"?\n>Irish \"history\"\nThe oldest building ever is in Ireland"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n>The oldest building ever is in Ireland\nI like Ireland but this is just a cope"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>29\nThat's a Finn"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>27\nHow exactly does this guy look African"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How different are Irishmen from Anglos? Ethnically and culturally speaking.\nThis is alpinid vs atlanto-med"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>29\n>yep\nIsn't that a Finn? He is a savolaxid east baltid"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>27\n>>115\nHe doesn't that's a gracile mediterranean"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>17\n>What would there be for shitskins to cope about?\nA hell of a lot of things, shitskins cannot exist without coping"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>105\n>french\n>norman\nlol, french ruling castes are flemish/dutch since the merovingian period, let alone normans\nregular french are potato headed goblinos descended from gaulish slaves"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>31\nlol is that the chess guy?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis diagram was from Punch magazine, a humorous publication, it bears no relation whatsoever to anthropology"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nYOU DON'T SAY?!"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>93\nI hope you're happy with yourself, mister."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>irish iberian\neilish is a germanic pig, cavill looks more iberian than eilish"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">eilish is a germanic pig, cavill looks more iberian than eilish\n\nMulatto cope"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>16\nI've never seen a brown person hate on the irish"}, {"id": 128, "content": "I'd still want to penis the thing on the left."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Retard here. Why is Trotsky so hated my marxist-leninists?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was an ugly goat faced little jew with an inhumane ideology, I’m glad he died an excruciatingly painful death."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIce pick to the brain doesn't actually sound very painful."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Daddy Stalin said so."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>with an inhumane ideology\nTrue, but that's rich coming from a fucking Nazi lmao"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nIt was a pickaxe and he lingered for a while\n\n>>5\nI’m not a Nazi\n\nI’m a fascist"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTwo main reasons:\n1. Stalin is arguably the single most important historical leader (not theorist) for Marxist-Leninists, and Trotsky was his main political adversary.\n2. Trotskyists post-Trotsky are by and large hostile to all socialist countries; Trotsky thought the USSR was a \"degenerated worker's state,\" i.e. not perfect but still better than capitalist society. On the other hand, most modern Trotskyists believe the USSR stopped being socialist as soon as Stalin took over, and therefore also that all nominally Marxist states are actually frauds masquerading as socialist countries. This idea didn't come from Trotsky himself, but it gets projected onto him by Marxist-Leninists."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Trotsky was a real communist and wanted perpetual revolution and a weak government, this is too dangerous an ideology so he was offed"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndepends on who you ask, theres different takes on him by tons of them\nwhen it comes to commie figures who were influencial just assume there is not and has not been any real conscensus on em"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCult around daddy Stalin."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy Stalinists, not by marxist-leninists."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\"Marxist-Leninists\" is the term Stalinists use for themselves. Trotskyists call themselves Marxists and Leninists, but not Marxist-Leninists."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nHe got to watch his genetic lineage extinguished before he passed."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ok at taking Tsarist officer's families hostage and forcing them to fight for you in exchange for the lives of the families, win the civil war this way\n>lose out on the post-Lenin power struggle because you're universally hated by everybody\n>get to go into exile instead of getting shot in an NKVD basement\n>spend entire time in exile being a whiny bitch, complaining about how policies he had supported were being implemented by Stalin but not as good as he would have implemented them\nIt's worth remembering that Khruschev never tried even a little bit to rehabilitate Trotsky despite his massive effort of de-Stalinization, so contrary to popular belief it's not just Stalinists who want nothing to do with Trotsky"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nNo, that drawing was actually a storyboard for Death Wish 6."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy did you remove the star of david pendant"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nMarxist leninists love the USSR\n\nTrotsky hated the USSR (For the most part) because \"It wasn't real communism\"\n\nTherefore MLs hate Trotsky, considering him a traitor"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHe was a valuable asset for the construction and foundation of the USSR, but he betrayed the Soviet government for the sake of his own ego"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs I understand it, Maoism was basically sanitized Trockyism. He hated Stalin for not being communist *enough*."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>an inhumane ideology\nSo why do *other* communists hate him?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\nWeil-chan spat in his face in her apartment"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery dead kike is a blessing."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\nTo be more precise than the first poster, \"Marxism-Leninism\" is the official name of Stalin's ideology as coined by himself. Opponents of Stalin reject the term."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrotsky did nothing wrong albeit"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Marxist-Leninists pretty much only hate him cause he hated Stalin. The differences between Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism is pretty much just socialism in one country vs internationalism"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAlso LGBT and lack of conservatism.\nTrotsky is literal globohomo."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>socialism in one country\nso national socialist then,\nmarxism-leninism was used as a trojan horse by western \"intellectual\" think tanks to overthrow hostile established nations. stalin seized power, kicked jewish french/swiss-backed socialist out, jewy ukrainian trotsky fags responsible for the holodomor are for ever butthurt stalin made them mass immigrate in the 30s to jew york city and cant stay in odessa oy vey, coincidently the same time jewish american mafia gained power"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>6\nIce axe"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>6\nLet's be real here, you have said repeatedly the \"holocaust didn't happen, but it should\", you are obsessed with Jews, and you glorify the SS. You are a Nazi."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's that vile and jewish"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\nBecause Trotskyism has a number of retarded tenants, one of which is exporting revolution through military force IE: being in an ISIS tier state of permanent war with all of your neighbors\n\n>>30\nI’m a Nazi sympathizer, but National Socialism was a movement unique to 20th century Germany and the German people. It’s not a universal ideology, but one tied to a specific time, place, and race.\n\nI am a fascist, which is more of a universal ideology that can be applied to any nation."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nYou are the obsessed ones, jew. We merely respond to your aggression."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nIt should and it will, kike insects don't deserve to exist"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause he said \"let's examine the path we're on and recalibrate to actually achieve something good\" after the revolution when Stalin (literal gangster) was like \"nah we're going to push harder and I'm going to seize power soon (secretly).\""}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>Leon Trotsky was born Lev Davidovich Bronstein to David Leontyevich Bronstein (1847–1922) and Anna Lvovna (née Zhivotovskaya, 1850–1910) on 7 November 1879, the fifth child of a wealthy Jewish landowner\nkwab"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nas fascist, how would you deal with a fascist leader taking over your country that you hate.\n\nWould you just bitch up, or do you make an opposing fascist sect and go to civil war, or kill yourself."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>4\n/thread\nBased Stalin said to hate the jew. I hate Jews and love Stalin so it’s a no brainer."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>28\n\nStalin was a nazi, sure buddy"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nStalin was against anti-semitism but when jews were being kikes they were dealt with"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nDeclare myself leader of the government in exile"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he was the only one who actually wanted to keep taking the revolution further and further whereas Stalin wanted to do statebuilding instead"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nThis is a weird mix of Trotskyist and Stalinist propaganda people continue to fall for to this very day. It makes very little sense, considering that Stalin managed to proceed the revolutionary cause in more or less the exact paths that were envisioned by Trotsky back in the 1920s."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>32\n>Trotskyism has a number of retarded tenants\nSo, again, why do *other* communists hate him?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>32\nThat's really not what Trotsky meant by the permanent revolution. That is neo-Stalinist strawmaning of Trotsky. His views on the world revolution policy were't really that different from what Stalin was doing in practice, especially in the post-WW2 era."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "As you all know apartheid fell, and blacks came into power. They took advantage of the system and just switched roles. Now the blacks are enjoying a wealthy, western style life in the society that whites build, while the whites live in slums and are poor af\n\nOne idea that a lot of radicals had back in the day (and a lot still advocate for it) is the idea of a volksstaat. Basically having this small part of the country you see in pic related become an independent nation from the rest of south africa. The whites would then move there and live in peace while the blacks have the complete rest of south africa for themselves.\n\nCould this have been achieved? This would have been ideal."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Now the blacks are enjoying a wealthy, western style life in the society that whites build, while the whites live in slums and are poor af\nBut that didn't happen at all"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The whites would then move there and live in peace while the blacks have the complete rest of south africa for themselves\nSo they lost after getting years of graft and power and now want to move to another part of SA and seize land from the Coloureds who live there? Land that isnt exactly that bountiful?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Apartheid was their only viable shot at anything like that and we all know how that ended up."}, {"id": 5, "content": "only way it was feasibly possible is with massive population transfers, the will of the black population to accept this, and the will of the international community to accept this, none of these were feasibly possible"}, {"id": 6, "content": "There's no water there. They would have to depend on blacks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlease stop trying to take parts of South Africa. Just go home already."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nPretty sure Orania is right next to a river and they do way better than 90% of that shithole."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't want separation per se, but domination. Specifically the Afrikaners I mean, they wanted to be the ruling class and have black servants and such, to be a managerial elite free from manual labor. They realize now I think that that was a bad idea, but I don't blame them because manual labor sucks. The idea behind Orania for example is the opposite of that, where they do all the shitty jobs themselves and are self-reliant."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nyeah international pressure forced them out because africans could not do anything on their own."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy are white people still living in that shithole? are you all waiting to get killed or something?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>africans could not do anything on their own.\nSouth Africa was on the edge of civil war lmso."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nOrania was founded on seized land and gets by by making poor whites do the shitty labour for shit pay under vague promises."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nMost whites in SA have guns and are willing to use them in self defense"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYeah, and some blacks there have somewhat-bladed objects and are willing to use them offensively."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>a few geriatric farmers with old hunting rifles against the might of the government with the monopoly of force\nlmao good luck with that when the Malema guy gets elected"}, {"id": 17, "content": "The vast majority of South Africa's economy today is centred around Johannesburg and the Vaal Triangle, not the Cape. Ditto for the white population. So no it wouldn't have been ideal and there's a reason it didn't happen.\n\nMaybe if you go back in a time machine and convince the Voortrekkers to go home this would/could have happened."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>Orania was founded on seized land\nNo. It was founded on desolate land that was already privately owned.\n>by making poor whites do the shitty labour for shit pay under vague promises.\nMore like normal Whites, really they're Afrikaners - not \"whites\", who came there of their own free will to find sanctuary from the rest of the shitty country. They have a better quality of life there than they would elsewhere.\n>>11\nThose that have left or wanted to have done so. The rest stay because they have no choice or feel convicted about giving up the land their ancestors fought for. It's called being a man. No point in running anyway since it'll soon be the same or similar in most places."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThe government there can't even keep the lights on or stop people from looting. No need to be afraid of them."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Those that have left or wanted to have done so\nThose that had the ability to have already left I mean. The rest either can't or don't want to."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n90% of the murder in South Africa is black-on-black and happening in places you'd never be as a white person. Sure, whites can be victims of crime, but the whole reason stories about a heckin innocent whitegirlerino getting her body or head BLACKED ends up a big News24 headline is because it's actually not the norm.\n\nThe vast, vast majority of murders in South Africa have always been retarded township brutality bullshit and it barely gets reported because it's not news to anyone.\n\nSeriously if you aren't a poorfag and live somewhere remotely middle class your lifetime chance of shit happening to you is pretty small. And even then when it does it's mostly because they did something predictable that put them at risk (being the Boer farmer meme, living in one of those shitty old neighbourhoods that's half-Coloured, being a libtard/foreigner who does dumb shit like \"hanging out\" in a township because you have black friends/are dating a black, etc.)."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>It was founded on desolate land that was already privately owned.\nNope. Coloureds and blacks were living on it after the government abandoned an infrastructure project. It was carried out by the future residents of Orania, with the assistance of beatings, pistol whippings and dogs."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nSo basically the founders of Orania engaged in mass scale eviction of 500 people."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nA lot of the Afrikaners working in Oeania are poor lol. The reason they moved was for employment even under sketchy conditions or no guarantees"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nWouldn't care even if true, but source?\n>>24\nCope. They're there because it's safer and they can be with their own people."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Orania has a population of 3,000 people. It's a curiosity, but not really that important in the grand scheme of things.\n\nI suppose people pay attention to it, because it's seen as a test of Section 235."}, {"id": 27, "content": "The 1980s status quo was actually more realistic and stable than either the volkstaat meme or what they have now.\n\nBotha should have just told the ANC to fuck off and gradually moderated the government's policies without ever conceding to majority rule. The libs in the West and the Third World and China would have hated it, but what's new?\n\nInstead the NP let themselves get barrelled over, and were consigned to the dustbin of history as a result."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\nso are White people allowed to have anything or should they just default to genociding the powerless low IQ tribals trying to genocide them?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "The problems white people face are global. We live in a western, interconnected world, we share a cultural consciousness. Even if that would have worked by now it would have long been subverted, accepted mass immigration and citizenship to non-whites. Nothing would have worked to prevent that. And nothing is going to change fundamentally, until the Neoliberal Western World reforms or makes room for something else. But reform is in the hand of the Elite and they don‘t seem to care about reforming the West to accept racial reality."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>low IQ tribals trying to genocide them\n\nSource? Sandile forgetting your side order of wings or cheezybread last time you ordered Debonairs is actually not actually the precursor to a plot to push the white man into the sea, really. He just has a long commute to work and was a bit tired. I'm sure he will remember next time."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nwhat?\nI am just asking if other races are openly declaring war or if they will resort to the passive aggressive feminine crybully tactics.\nI mean its fine if you want to act like african matriarchists, but dont pretend to be the warrior race while you hide behind women and \"historical \"\"\"\"\"\"injustice\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\nStep up and go to war properly, maybe you wont job and go down at a rate of 100:1 THIS time."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nWho says anyone is \"going to war\"? This is all in your head."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>13\n>poor whites\nProviding jobs for whites is the entire point idiot. The country has affirmative action for the majority of the population so it is difficult for poor whites to find employment.\n>seized land\nIf it makes you fucking happy they could in fac restart from the beginning and set up once more in land that you do not consider to be \"seized\" unless of course you consider all the land to be seized (this is probably the case for your world view). They have done so several times. It is called the Great Trek"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nso you are fine with White people having power in countries they historically had power in?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\n>Maybe if you go back in a time machine and convince the Voortrekkers to go home this would/could have happened.\nIf the Voortrekers had gone somewhere else then the cities would have be built somewhere else and everyone would have the exact same set of problems, just somewhere else. It isn't like the Voortrekers just headed out and stubbled upon a pre-existing city called Johannesburg.\n\nThe point is more than the since the Voortrekers had gone out and set up a new country multiple times in the past that they could continue to do so in the under populated territory. As in setting out and founding new cities is sort of a cultural practice for them so even if there was no reason to do it there might still be a yearning to do it just because. The reasons are ultimately just secondary reasons intended to convince people among them you might be more reluctant."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>11\n87% of whites in South Africa get murdered by other whites, dumbfuck\n\nThat’s massively skewed for our small population size"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\nHey fuckhead. Would you allow them to head out a found a completely new settlement that you personally have surveyed to make sure nobody is currently living on it, or are you just complaining because you are opposed to the concept of them having any settlement to themselves at all?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nNo what I meant is that if Trekkers didn't happen and the whites stayed concentrated around the Cape like in the 17th and early 18th centuries, true white separatism would be a great deal easier and more feasible. But they didn't, so it's not."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nWhat percentage of people participated in the great trek? I highly doubt they staying in the cape would have seriously impacted the total population of the colony considering that the British were migrating in anyway. Anyone who left was likely replaced by a British settler quite rapidly."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>25\nJust go to the wikipedia page on Orania and skim through it to realize he's an idiot.\nThe property was sold by the state and the squatters who were still living there were relocated and given new houses in another location."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nWell yeah, the Boers didn't like their Anglo overlords which is why they left, after all. And I suppose you have a point in that if the Brits who settled in places like Durban and Johnnesburg had all landed and stayed in Cape Town instead, the whole province would have ended up completely dominated by them and the Afrikaner/Afrikaans culture there would have been much diminished."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>What percentage of people participated in the great trek?\n\nApparently, they were around a fifth of Cape Colony's total population."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>9\n>they wanted to be the ruling class and have black servants and such\nMultiple Afrikaner leaders were literally murdered by their servants/assistants. How many still haven't weaned themselves off of black labor is insane."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nMany wine vinyards still have archaic conditions where they make workers relieve themselves in the fields and have workers live in shoddy sheds. Fucked part is that FairTrade certification doesn't do shit because the owners just put up temporary toilets and measures just to pass the certs and get the FT sticker.\n\nIt's like being able to just take slight hit on your margins just to add functioning toliets is too much fora lot of these guys."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>32\nliterally all of your posts are you trying to delegitimize orania, presumably as a justification to break it up."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>the squatters who were still living there were relocated and given new houses in another location\nThey were forced off their land through violence nor did they have a choice. On top of that the government didn't even ask the squatters\" about it and many Oranians are still aggressive even otuside of Orania's borders."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>34\nNo I want to stop all white males from having any power or any children"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>36\nsource?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>37\n>are you just complaining because you are opposed to the concept of them having any settlement to themselves at all?\nStop being so hysterical. They seized land from people while benefiting from a state that completely favoured Afrikaners."}, {"id": 50, "content": "They're not white they're dutch. The Netherlands is always open for immigration applications btw. They can always go back."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nNot that guy, but it really is the case that on the whole, intra-racial crime is quite rare in South Africa. Sure the odd white person does fall victim to a carjacking or home invasion, but because the vast majority follow Ben Garrison's timeless advice regarding when and when not to relax and also never visit townships, coloured slums and other places where stabbings and shootings tend to happen, they tend not to be the victims of crime at the hands of blacks and coloureds."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nNot sunny enough for them, I suspect."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nYou didn't answer the question. Would you support a new settlement that was created from the ground up from land the post-apartheid government grants them permission to relocate to?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>21\n>being a libtard/foreigner who does dumb shit like \"hanging out\" in a township because you have black friends/are dating a black\n\nSome of the stories you read about are unbelievable. I remember on IOL I read about this guy, think he was from the UK who ended up dead because he thought walking around in Soweto at like 2 o' clock in the morning was a good idea. Other classic foreigner Darwin Award moments include getting off the Gautrain at Marlboro Station and having a wander around in Alex because why not, right?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nAfrikaners and Dutch people are surprisingly indifferent towards one another for the most part Anon."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWell they are like Americans and British people, or Quebec Canadians and French People. Basically different groups at this point."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nDoes it matter if he would or not?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nnta but here in the US, rich white liberals FUCKING HATE conservative whites from the South. I've literally seen bumperstickers in Colorado, driven by cute blonde women who go to college so you know they're smart, reading \"NUKE THE SOUTH\".\nLOL how edgy. Nah... she means it.\nNow do Amsterdam and imagine how those rich white women there feel about apartheid.\n\nBoers are on their own. They have no friends in Holland. Maybe in the Flemish parts of Belgium . . ."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\nYeah the weather is indeed shit but europe is first world."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nConservative parties have been getting billions of votes in Holland. Plus they gave out free visas to the Ukrainians.\nThey'd also give them to the Boers for sure. Europe became extremely white friendly after 2015"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>16\nNiggers are too incompetent to organize an effective state. Half of the niggers in the military are obese or have aids."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>16\nWon't happen. Steenhuisen unironically has a better shot at the presidency than Malema, although the most likely outcome is either an ANC-DA coalition or an ANC-EFF coalition where the ANC stays the most powerful party and keeps the presidency as well."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nDoes he speak dutch"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>an ANC-EFF coalition\nzimbabwe tier SA coming up"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nThing is, a lot of people expected the ANC themselves to be pretty radical when they came to power in 1994, but that didn't happen. The EFF will likely prove to be the same, all bark and no bite, especially since they will be the junior partner in any conceivable coalition."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nMandela at least had enough tact not to sing kill de boer.\nI see it being typical ANC shitfuckery only with a token extremely unpopular policy they blame on the EFF, killing them as an electable force."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>51\nthats not a source"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>51\nIt's called inter-racial. Intra-racial means within the race. Inter-racial means between the races."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nThis is sort of a cope though, the ANC being corrupt and incompetent has been enough to fuck things up a great deal, even when they are or think they are trying to not kill the proverbial golden goose."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>60\n>Europe became extremely white friendly after 2015\nlmao"}, {"id": 71, "content": "DAAR'S 'N LAND AAN SUIDERKANT, KOM DEEL IN SY VERHALE\nUIT DIE OOSTE, WESTE, NOORDE, SUIDE, TOEGEBRING\n\nDIS 'N LAND MET WILDE HAND WAT UITREIK TELKEMALE\nOM DIE HOOP VAN MORE TE BESING\nDIS 'N LAND VAN KLEURE EN KLANK\nDIS 'N LAND VAN OORVLOED EN DANK\nDIS 'N LAND WAAR ALMAL NA STREWE"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>53\nWhy does it matter? The core part is that those founders in Orania purchased their land through the use of their ties to the Apartheid state and engaged in some of the largest forced land evictions in South Africa."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>largest forced eviction\nif that was the largest eviction then apartheid wasn't nearly as oppressive as people say it was"}, {"id": 74, "content": "i like this song\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHs3vD_Sn8M [Embed]"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nLol you can't even read three words. get the fuck out"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nDo you know how often people got evicted for squatting in South Africa? Trying to stop people from squatting was the entire point behind apartheid but the eventually gave up because it was too much effort to constantly evict people."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nBlatant revisionism."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nYou are literally the one arguing that Apartheid was less oppressive than it actually was."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n>You are literally the one arguing that Apartheid was less oppressive\nHow do you even get that from my post? apartheid engaged in mass land evictions allover SA in rural and urban areas on top of the creation of the Bantustans"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nHence>>73\nYou say this tiny removal of squatters was \"the largest forced land eviction in South Africa\""}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTake this shit to /pol/ you fucking faggot"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>28\nAccess to Black people is not a human right."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n>engaged in some of the\nKey word some of the you retarded faggot."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nThis was not remotely some of the largest evictions"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nAccess to black queens should be. I'm deprived."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n500 people is pretty big."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>81\nFuck off to reddit and give us the board back"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>8\n>Pretty sure Orania is right next to a river and they do way better than 90% of that shithole.\nOrania is close to a big city and depend on the black town council to deliver basic services. The people in Orania also have day jobs in the city."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>82\nBlack ''people'' =/= African resources\nThey are too stupid to put in use or defend what they have and therefore don't deserve to have it just because its muh land mufugga"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>55\n>Afrikaners and Dutch people are surprisingly indifferent towards one another for the most part Anon.\nBecause the Afrikaaners were Dutch who were deemed too retarded to live in the Netherlands and were given a one way ticket to the southern most part of Africa."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Now the blacks are enjoying a wealthy, western style life in the society that whites build, while the whites live in slums and are poor af\nNobody is stopping them from taking a boat trip to Europe like these guys. Maybe they just want to live in slums and have nothing to offer to white society in Europe."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\nYou are thinking of Kleinfontein."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nImagine thinking any of the niggers that come here have anything to offer\n\nThe truth is, that they don't want to give up the land their ancestors build. They aren't little pussies that run away"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>Imagine thinking any of the niggers that come here have anything to offer\nNever said they did.\n\n>The truth is, that they don't want to give up the land their ancestors build. They aren't little pussies that run away\nThen enjoy being white and living in a slum in Africa."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>66\n>Mandela at least had enough tact not to sing kill de boer.\n\nYou think the white vote is important or something?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, the English should have left the Boers alone."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You live on stolen ground"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo does literally everyone else."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSince when did conquest become synonymous with stealing?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate this mormon faggot so much."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd why are you telling us this?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFinessed*\n>>2\nThis.\n>>4\nEx-Mormons always go way too hard in the other direction instead of just being normal."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nto justify more special privileges and entitlements for minorities"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nZionist talking point. Not particularly true."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo do Poles"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nExhibit #6000000 that anti-Zionism is just part of the broader brownoid third world resentment movement."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Kike calls somebody brown\nLel"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't really care desu"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>you must be a jew if you don't agree with my brownoid sympathizer movement\nAshkenazi Jews aren't particularly brown either, but keep seething chud."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>WOZAHHHH A E-GIRL IN FATIGUES I MUST SUPPORT ISRAEL!!!\nDo gentiles really?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\ni hate that faggots cartoons so fucking much, he has the most asinine poltard opinions imaginable and expressed them in 15 year old girl instagram infographic tier cartoons"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>>15\nListen, we just dont want a foreign race running our country, simple as, no one else is vilified for having this desire.\nwe arent anti-semitic\nwe are anti colonialism."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nOkay, you're an antisemite."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nStonetoss never misses."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>WOZAHHHH A SANDNIGGER WHO HATES JEWS I MUST SUPPORT PALESTINE\nI'm indifferent personally. I don't see a reason to dislike Israelis and neither should you, but I know it's futile to even argue it since your type is like a dog with a bone."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nyou hate it because it's true"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>wanting to withdraw involvement means that you're going out of your way to help arabs\nNice pilpul."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Literally every single country and people on earth exist due to killing the previous inhabitants and “colonising” it\n\nBizarre how this isn’t cared about outside of white colonists. When was the last time people had a go at the turks"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThe usual argument is that near-total population replacement (i.e. what happened in the USA) isn't especially common, though it's not unheard of either. Turks are largely Turkified West Asians."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nWhy would you care about that? It's not like it affects anything. We should be blowing up Mexico instead, but we could easily do both at the same time so it's not an either or. With Afghanistan over and done with our involvement in the middle east is minimal anyway in comparison with say, Ukraine."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nCope. I wish they paid me."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll you got to do is click on the three dots and tell youtube \"don't show me dumb shit like this anymore\"\nThen, once you're done with that, click on that little blue triangle to hide the thread."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nThe US army is using the same exact tactic now.\n>https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/57878/1/the-era-of-military-funded-e-girl-warfare-army-influencers-tiktok"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nI’d argue that 99% of natives dying from disease isn’t some intentional war considering most died before ever seeing a white man. And that there was no realistic alternative to save them from having weak immune systems"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>Why would you care about that?\nI want all kikes exterminated to the last embryo, so Israel concerns me"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\n>\"we\" should be starting more wars\nNo thanks."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nBecause you're a schizo poisoned by the internet. Many such cases. The majority of white people don't give a fuck and actively support their own replacement so it's silly to care about some lone libtard Jew saying it. If most white people wanted it to end then the Jews (irrelevant minority) would be powerless to stop them."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nWhat's wrong with wars?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThis wouldn't fly 100 years ago. What changed?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>What's wrong with wars?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nYes it would, and yes it did. It's been happening for a while. Most of the people in this photo are white. White people allowed it to happen and plenty of them wanted it to happen as well."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>I know im stealing your food goy, but just, grow more, if you were really that hungry youd just grow more food\nWe are not going to be gaslit into continuing this parasite relationship.\njews get out, please"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>31\n>it's silly to care about some lone libtard Jew saying it.\nLone?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Celler\nEvery time"}, {"id": 39, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_California_Proposition_187\nEvery time"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>25\nImagine thinking instagram prostitutes will save you from the ovens bud. I'd seek Christ if I were you"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nMeds. Now.\n>>37\nNow show the millions upon millions of white people who support and say the same thing. You remember 2020 right?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont like that glowie. Hes too young to be knowledgeable so he seems arrogant"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nAnd yet you missed the entire point which was LBJ signing it into law and all these other white people cheering it on.\n>>40\nlarp"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>3\n>ince when did conquest become synonymous with stealing?\nIt has always been but cognitive dissonance does a number"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nYou better hope God takes mercy on you because Man won't. America in 20 years will be Hell for jews that don't have a gated community to hide behind"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>39\n>majority of white californians vote to cut illegals off from receiving welfare checks\n>jewish judge strikes it down\n>years later jews pretend that white people wanted their neighborhoods to be flooded with immigrants"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\njews are like 1% of the population with high intermarriage rates, and if anything the reason they'd be attacked is because they'd be perceived as white - not because they're jews"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>>majority of white californians vote to cut illegals off from receiving welfare checks\nyeah in 1994 - almost 30 fucking years ago maybe, not now"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>Yes it would, and yes it did.\n30 years ago wasn't 100 years ago. Your lies don't demoralize me."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nI could be wrong, maybe you touch grass all the time, but if you actually talk to most white people it would be very apparent they don't share your views. I'm stating the obvious here. If they did, things wouldn't be this way. \"Silent majority\" is a cope."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\nYou just couldn't help yourselves could you? You really believed the mutts you invited to replace us and the niggers you intentionally rile up would take kindly to your god's chosen attitude. Not saying niggers need a reason to riot but Ole Kikey loves to exacerbate. There's been a sharp rise in coverage of race-related \"issues\" since Occupy Wall Street that could be no coincidence. Corporations subverted the left. Sent them on a wild goose chase to end white supremacy. Turns out \"white supremacy\" is simply a bottomless pit of \"issues\" to distract from jewish power. And if the jews are in power, they are responsible for the degradation and corruption plaguing America\n>Hey Shvartza I'm not white I'm jew-ACK!\nThis is the future you chose.\nTo the last jewish embryo."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nIt's ok, I won't even argue with you or show you my DNA. I'll be your villain. Yes I am a jew and I am replacing you cracka."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>2\nRacist"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>41\n>Now show the millions upon millions of white people who support and say the same thing.\nI'd rather take note of enemy combatants subverting my country while looting it for Israel"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>35\nThis was not 100 years ago. The US has a history of racism and race riots"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>25\n>be transparent about using prositutes to manipulate Americans to your cause\n>anyone who pays attention to a self-admitted psyop is mentally ill"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You live on stolen ground\nDefine stolen in the context of settling unused land that was ignored by scattered nomadic tribes that had no concept of property rights."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe natives are content with development in the us now"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>15\nThis. I hope Stonetoss get raped by a fat black trans"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPart of my ancestry originated from America."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>22\nIt's like when a dagger finds its way between the armor, it's a way to attack a soft spot for the west. Most other people either don't care, or are actively proud of it."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You stole our land\n>But nobody can \"own\" land, the land is for everyone\n>But it's our land and you stole it\nWish I could sneeze on a redskin rn"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStolen from WHO?\nThe Chumash? Algonquin? Pueblo? Cherokee? Mohawk?\nNorth America was never a fully unified political entity before European contact. Each Native American tribe had its own language, culture, agenda, and were often at war with eachother.\n\nThis narrarative is ironically even more racist, because it assets this idea that all Native Americans are \"The Same\" and all had the same exact goals and struggles. Its bullshit, and even your average druggie reservation dweller will tell you its bullshit."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndaily reminder this cuck is a liar and manipulator of retards\nhttps://ugetube.com/watch/why-haiti-is-poor-and-why-the-left-lie-about-it_D6YjeBFKXJqBuDp.html"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>27\nI love lujan so much bros"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>https://ugetube.com\nI regret clicking that link and finding myself on some ad infested shithole. Chuds will never make a proper alternative to Youtube"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>I dont know what an ad blocker plug in is\nsomeone who uses the word \"chud\" has a double digit IQ. Imagine my shock. I have never seen a single ad on that website. I regret reading this post as it cost me 5 IQ points to do so"}, {"id": 68, "content": "Shouldn't have traded your land away for beads and rocks then"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown\nwow no wonder why they will be extinct within a few generations. Aren't askenazi jews just descendants of Ukrainian khazars who converted to judaism with no real connection to Jacob or the islaelites?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nkek why is it always 6 million with them?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nhttps://esotericawakening.com/the-occult-significance-of-the-number-6"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood\n\n>>3\nSlave morality"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>40\nWomen are a bane on society"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>55\n>US has a history of racism\nCitation needed"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>62\nI swear logic is foreign to anyone who isn’t a minority or woman"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nShalom"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTechnically most of the land here was bought, not stolen."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>3\nIf they don't wanna give it up it's stealing."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndians should've opened up the country for immigration..."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>can't believe the shallow garbage this moron produces\n>check his video about his own life story\n>he's a lapsed Mormon\nWhat a shock. lfmao"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>3\nBecause the Americans didn't take the usual route of utterly wiping out the inhabitants and forcefully assimilating the survivors. It's weird how much of a half Job the Americans took with their conquest. They didn't want to genocide the Natives 100% but they also didn't want to assimilate them like the Spanish did. they just wanted to push them out of the way..\n\nIt doesn't matter anyways, Native Americans have a fertility rate that makes White Americans look virile. ."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConquered ground."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nI thought they had no concept of land ownership? You /pol/trannies have a different story every time"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmost of the land was bought THO"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nLike ur bedroom by Tyrone"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>8\n>Zionist taking point\nSo... Based?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nלעולם לא תהיה בן אדם. חולדה יהודית מגעילה."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>unknown\nkek"}, {"id": 89, "content": "I don't care for the same reasons Russians in Kaliningrad don't care that they live on \"\"\"\"\"stolen\"\"\"\"\" land"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntest"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>77\n>bought\nMexicans were pretty much extorted for it aside from Texas and the Garden Purchase.\n>not stolen\nConquering someone and taking their shit is stealing. Vae Victims etc...but it's still stealing."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nWho initiated the conflict? Did the French steal Alsace Lorraine?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nMexicans didnt own the South West, they tried to press a claim on all of Central America and Southern US, they utterly failed because they were not seen as the legitimate successor to Spain."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nOf course I also have to ask, since the French instigated the Franco Prussian war, did the Germans steal Alsace Lorraine as well?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\ncentral americans were given a choice to join and most agreed except for salvador, who was promptly defeated. however by the time they were the empire had been deposed so they were let free"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>most agreed\nwhat? They all repelled Mexican expeditions and preserved their independence, also Spain didnt colonize South West US, neither did Mexico, it was still indian territory, so much so the Mexicans invited the Americans in to fight the Natives.\nMexicans hadnt even cleared Durango and Chihuahua."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You live on stolen ground\ni dont live in USA\nbut it is still stolen, grow up, everyone stole something from another in history. if we paid reparations to any nations we vanquished we had to unexist as a nation. This statement applies to all nations except if your anation is a mountainous goat shgger nation that lived in same place since the late neolithic and accomplished nothing for the humanity."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>15\n>most asinine poltard opinions imaginable\n>coped harder over a comic\nImagine my shock"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n>They all repelled Mexican expeditions\nno they didnt\n>preserved their independence,\nthat was because iturbide was deposed literally too quickly"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\n>inb4 mountain hilbilly goat shagger nations are only good nations\nI am loooking at net positive. Yes, they might have participated in less wars and they assimilated less tribes therefore less evil but in net positive they are as same as an average nation if not worse. Because average nation instilled ideas, developed them, invented new ones and contributed the good for humanity and this goodness neutralizes their evils in past."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">during the German advance on Dunkirk in WW2 they dropped tons of these leaflets imploring British and French soldiers to surrender\n>it worked and most did\n\nWhy didn’t the Germans do their first “bombing raid” over britain by dropping millions of leaflets imploring British citizens to tell their MPs to negotiate a peace instead of fighting a pointless war?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "British were ready to surrender anyway, the problem was that Hitler was an Anglophile, while British hated Germans. Seelöwe plan never existed, Hitler cucked germs out of victory with Dunkirk. Civilian population doesn't care for anything as long as there is bread."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\n>fake map on the right"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>fake\n\nHuh? It’s the real one. They were telling the French and British to surrender. Wouldn’t be wise to only print it in English\n\nLeft is from the Dunkirk movie I think"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>the problem was that Hitler was an Anglophile\nIf only fuhrer listen…\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Naval_Agreement"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's interesting how the messages addressed to the French and to the British differ.\n\nComrades!\nThis is how things are!\nIn any case, the war is over for you!\nYour chiefs will flee by plane! (?)\nPut down your arms!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nDegrelle talks about it at around 30 minutes into the interview, German parachuters and pilots that somehow survived being shot down over Britain in 1940 were finding empty airstrips with not a single military post nearby, every single soldier they had was in Dunkirk at the time. It shows the retardation of German high staff command to not take the advantage instead they let them all go.\n>>5\n>actually obeys the treaty throughout the war\n>neglects the kriegsmarine to sway the anglo\n>loses"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>throughout the war\n>1935"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nI mean, they were right weren’t they?\n\nBritish could just retreat home\n\nFrench leadership had time to flee and set up a government in exile in Britain. Hence De Gaulle"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHe did obey it, Bismarck was shit. I really recommend watching Degrelle interview. It can show you Hitler in a new light - an Anglophile, retarded and gullible."}, {"id": 11, "content": "10 posts in and no one gave OP any Yous\nbased"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nWhich interview"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>British were ready to surrender anyway\nI dont think surrender means what you think it means. The British were never ready to surrender.\n\n>the problem was that Hitler was an Anglophile, while British hated Germans.\nThe problems was that Hitler and his cult followers believe Britain should or must have care about some flattering words that were benefitial to Hitlers own ambitions.\n\n>Seelöwe plan never existed,\nBecause the very idea of invading Britain was an absurd comical fantasy.\n\n>Hitler cucked germs out of victory with Dunkirk.\nBy failing to prevent the allies from escaping?\n\n>Civilian population doesn't care for anything as long as there is bread.\nIs that why public support increased during the blockade of food and city bombings?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Germans did drop leaflets over Britain. It didn't have a noticeable effect."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>By failing to prevent the allies from escaping?\nManstein was in favor of attacking but Rommel, Hitler, and the majority of other commentors all agreed it would have not been worth while. As OP stated, many surrendered and the attempt to move through the lower land marshes would have delayed movements elsewhere."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nDegrelle is a moron and even if the Germans had magically figured this out and successfully pulled off a huge airborne invasion with no prior training, it'd still have failed without an open naval supply line - which the Germans could have never created, let alone maintained\n\na few thousand parachutists would have shocked Britain and made a few minor gains before running out of supplies and surrendering to the mobilized home guard"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nand do you have anything to back up the claim most did"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nPost them."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n\nAre you stupid? Of course they dropped leaflets. Everyone dropped leaflets. In the USSR you would be executed for merely picking one up"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n\nI'm quite certain that the anon I was quoting was going to sperg out how Hitler \"allowed\" the British to escape because he is Hitler and he only wanted peace and stability and he is perfect and he wanted to show his big heart for the British people."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nOk, but just post them. I believe you, I just wanna see them."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy are the French called warmly comrades while the Brits were just coldly called \"soldiers\"?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it worked and most did\n\nThe French only surrendered after the British had successfully ran away\nThey held for a whole week to protect the escape, and during that week they lost 16,000 dead (as a comparison, America lost 50,000 dead in 20 years in Vietnam)"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nIn the Battle of France, Germans captured 1.7 million troops and caused 300k casualties, only 300k escaped at Dunkirk.\n\nThe Western Allies never fielded such numbers again. Seelöwe probably would've worked and should've been done even at the cost of losses."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n\nIn 1940 the leaflets dropped were basically a wall of text about how Britain and Germany shouldnt fight.\nMost British looked at it and went tldr.\n\nThis isnt suprising, anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows how shit Hitler was at formulating himself. I've tried twice and still havent finished the book.\n\n\nThe ones dropped at 1944 were more desperate and on point, telling the British that they're fighting and dying for the victory of marxism and the end of western civilization by the hands of Stalin.\n\nhttps://www.keymilitary.com/article/collecting-german-air-dropped-leaflets-britain"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Most British looked at it and went tldr.\nThis is sad. Europe in 1900 was an intellectual powerhouse, it was already over in 1918 when all the good genes were wiped out."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n\n>only 300k escaped at Dunkirk.\nAnd an additional 200k in other french cities.\n\nThese men were also the best trained, most experienced and well equipt of the British forces.\n\n>The Western Allies never fielded such numbers again.\nThe British 21st Army in France 1944 was over a million men strong.\n\n>Seelöwe probably would've worked and should've been done\nHow was it going to work? Should the German soldiers swim? Are they going to be supplied by pidgeons?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n\nIs reading a poorly written propaganda a testimony of good genes?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>The British 21st Army in France 1944 was over a million men strong.\nOne million is less than two.\n\n>>27\n>How was it going to work? Should the German soldiers swim? Are they going to be supplied by pidgeons?\nGermany had air superiority in the initial stages, the Fallschirmjägers could capture British airports and docks and allow fast moving armour to be unloaded and Blitz across England. This would allow for very quick unloading of troops and supplies until the operational range of British aircraft was pushed so far North that they could only offer support as far as London at best. Even losing >75% of transport ships, Germany would still win and capture all the supplies in Empire's supplies in London.\n\n>Source: I did it in HoI3."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nMein Kampf was not poorly written, did you forget that you were reading a translation?"}, {"id": 31, "content": "at least you made it obvious you are trolling now"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nI'm pointing out he fact that your arm chair generaling is just as pointless as any. Unironically even HoI is a better argument it's at least based on a simulation model and not pure make belief of an untouchable Britain which was conquered by a handful of normans tranported with wooden boats.\n\nIn modern warfare the Brits lost 4x the men in the Battle of Crete despite outnumbering the Axis. Of course island invasions can be done, I don't know where this myth comes from."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n\n>Germany had air superiority in the initial stages,\nExcept the Germans never had air superiority over the British channel and lost the Battle for Britain because the British out-produced them, were technologically superior, were tactically superior, could train more pilots and retain more experienced pilots, and scored more victories than the germans.'\n\n>the Fallschirmjägers could capture British airports and docks\nHow are you going to fly over dozens of thousands of men without air superiority. How are you going to supply them without air superiority?\nA division can only hold out for about week before running out of ammunition. How are they going to stand up against the million man strong British home army?\n\n>capture British airports and docks and allow fast moving armour to be unloaded and Blitz across England.\nHow are these armour getting across the channel? How do you maintain a supply line across the channel?\n\n>Even losing >75% of transport ships, Germany would still win\nWhat transport ships?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\n>telling the British that they're fighting and dying for the victory of marxism and the end of western civilization\nWhere's the lie? It turned out to be true. The British soldiers would have been absolutely horrified if they could have seen the UK we know today."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n\nProbably\nBut you're comparing nearly 80 years apart.\nPeople fighting the Napoleon war would likely react the same to ww1 or the colonization of Africa.\n\nMost of the cultural marxism I assume you're refering to happened in the last 15 years. Some western nations had racial segregation up until the 90s"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nThen how come they bombed 13 airstrips and numerous aircraft factories in and around London virtually unopposed? The only initial successes the RAF had was in destroying the Norwegian based fleet attacking Northern England.\n\nBasically Görings retarded decision to pull back Junkers is what turned the tide as well as a general lack of pilots.\n\nBritish historians agree with me:\n>In The Narrow Margin, published in 1961, historians Derek Wood and Derek Dempster believed that the two weeks from 24 August to 6 September represented a real danger. According to them, from 24 August to 6 September 295 fighters had been totally destroyed and 171 badly damaged, against a total output of 269 new and repaired Spitfires and Hurricanes. They assert that 103 pilots were killed or missing and 128 were wounded, which represented a total wastage of 120 pilots per week out of a fighting strength of just fewer than 1,000. They conclude that during August no more than 260 fighter pilots were turned out by OTUs and casualties in the same month were just over 300. A full squadron establishment was 26 pilots whereas the average in August was 16. In their assessment, the RAF was losing the battle.[228] Denis Richards, in his 1953 contribution to the official British account History of the Second World War, agreed that lack of pilots, especially experienced ones, was the RAF's greatest problem. He states that between 8 and 18 August 154 RAF pilots were killed, severely wounded, or missing, while only 63 new pilots were trained. Availability of aircraft was also a serious issue. While its reserves during the Battle of Britain never declined to a half dozen planes as some later claimed, Richards describes 24 August to 6 September as the critical period because during these two weeks Germany destroyed far more aircraft through its attacks on 11 Group's southeast bases than Britain was producing. Three more weeks of such a pace would indeed have exhausted aircraft reserves"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>be british soldier in the second world war\n>get surrounded in Dunkirk\n>Germans try to get you to surrender to safe your own life\n>refuse to do so\n>lots of your friends die while trying to escape but you survive\n>the Germans are trying to tell you that they just want peace so they can fight the soviets\n>don't care in that moment\n>later get deployed in Normandy\n>Germans are telling you how you're dooming western civilization\n>Germans are saying how they're the last hope against leftist subversion and degeneracy\n>Don't listen then\n>win the war\n>first years after the war are good\n>get lots of benefits for being a veteran\n>get lots of respect for having fought\n>start working a decent job\n>buy a car\n>buy a house\n>have a family\n>suddenly you hear new music playing on the radio\n>they're talking about \"free love\" and making fun of the religious values you hold dear\n>crime is going up\n>strange people from other countries are showing up in the streets\n>your traditional neighborhood is bulldozed and replaced with highways and appartment blocks for the immigrants\n>you get fired from your job because its shipped overseas\n>retire, think its going to get better\n>your grandkids are hating you because you don't support homosexuality\n>while buying groceries a dark skinned man approaches you\n>he demands your wallet\n>when you don't comply he stabs you to death and tells the police you were calling him a nigger so he had to defend himself\n>police drop all charges while you are lying on the floor bleeding to death\n>you contemplate your life choices\n>\"maybe we fought the wrong people back then...\""}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nexcept for the fact they had no way of actually holding those air bases and ports, especially since their supply lines would be severely disrupted since they never had that level of air control, if you want a modern example of unsupported ariel drop in the enemies heartland just look at Russias air drop units at the start of the Ukraine war, and all of that still doesn't change the fact they had no way of taking the channel, trying to unironically use fucking HOI as an argument is retarded since its a vidya were player fun takes precedent even if its no where near realistic, because who would play a map painting game if your ability to paint said map is severely hampered by the fact you will nearly always fail to take an island"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nGermans didn't just want Brits to surrender, they wanted them to shake off Rothschild control too."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nAgain though, they won at with fewer troops Crete using precisely that strategy. Destroyed 40 British ships too."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n\nWhat is it that you dont understand? The German airforce was taking heavier losses and had fewer replacements than the British. It's really that simple.\n\nThe UK lost roughly 1k aircrafts. Germany lost roughtly 2k\nThe British were steadily replacing their losses. They produced over twice as many aircrafts as they lost. Germany couldnt replace theirs.\n\nGermany lost roughly 2500 pilots\nBritain lost roughly 500 pilots\n\nThe pilots were the most skilled and most experienced of Germany. The British pilots got better and better while the Germans had to constantly train new recruits.\n\nMeanwhile german pilots who survived began suffering from combat trauma since chances were high they would be killed or captured.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanalkrankheit\n\nTheres also the question of aviation fuel which costed far more to produce and were far more draining for Germany than it did for Britain since Germany relied on synthetic plants.\n\nAlso, the battle couldnt continue any longer, since weather would make it impossible after September. Another reason to abort.\n\n>Then how come they bombed 13 airstrips and numerous aircraft factories in and around London virtually unopposed?\n\nAt no point were they unopposed.\nBombing the airfields didnt matter at all. The German bombers didnt have enough payload nor the precision to destroy the airfields. Most bombers didnt even locate their targets. The British were also using provisional airfields in the countryside.\nIn fact, the allied bombers also did not have the accuracy, hence one of the reason why they switched to \"dehousing\" bombing over Germany instead of precise industrial bombing.\n\n>Basically Görings retarded decision to pull back Junkers\n\nIf you're refering to the Junker 88s then it made perfect sense since they were useless because they didnt have the capacity to destroy their targets, and they were too slow to engage British fighters.\n\n>tldr\nYou stil havent explained how you're going to invade Britain."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\n>>socialists are saying how they're the last hope against leftist subversion"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\n\n>Nazis dont start a world war\n>Nazis dont genocide minorities\n>2020 Europe still has a positive view of nationalism and racial awareness. Jews are not given a blank cheque to say and do everything they want. People arent shunned or compared to Hitler because they call out gypsies and african migrants for their behaviour. Europe has a much more enforced border policy. Right wing conservatives are much more populare and everyone agrees on a strong nation state and homogenous society. The left has a much harder time arguing against traditionalism."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nYour entire wall of text does not alter anything I said at all. I was already aware of every single thing you posted."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n\nGood. So we've established the fact that Germany never had, not was able to achieve air superiority.\n\nNow explain how they're going to move units across the channel."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nNo. We established the fact that you agree with Göring. I disagree with you both and would sacrifice the Junkers to bomb the aircraft industry and power infrastructure in Southern Britain instead of wasting time in the North. Additionally sacrifice the u-boats to control the channel.\n\nOf course Germany had a continent's worth of resources to produce more aircraft and pilots. The high command simply didn't want to and instead shifted focus to the Balkans."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>bomb the aircraft industry and power infrastructure in Southern Britain\nThey tried that. They werent able to destroy the industries, just as the allies were not able to destroy the German industries later in the war despite dropping 1000x times more explosives over German cities. It did not stop german fighter production.\n\nAttempting to bomb specific targets was when the German airforce sustained its most dramatic losses. The fighter pilots had to fly slower and without initiative to cover the German bombers which gave the British fighters an immediate and fatal tactical edge. Escorting bombers drained more fuel as they had to fly slower. A german fighter many times only had roughly 10 minutes above Britain before being forced to turn back or risk ditching in the sea. If this pilot was still engaged in a fight when forced to turn back, he would virtually become a free kill for the British fighter.\n\n>Additionally sacrifice the u-boats to control the channel.\nHow are Uboats going to ferry troops for the invasion?\n\n>Of course Germany had a continent's worth of resources to produce more aircraft and pilots\nYou mean the fairly resource meager Europe vs .... the entire British empire and the entire world as its trading partner?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n\nHere, I made this one just for you"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>37\nIs there any real life example of this happening?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n\n/pol/ retards generally assume the world is just going to stop in a Germany victory timeline.\nA murderous and enslaving state like that with a very educated middle class and western culture wouldnt last long.\nIt would have been held together by the old generation of political hardliners. Eventually a younger generation would take over and immediately begin to change all the fundamentally immoral aspects of the state.\n\nWant a reference? This is exactly what happened to the USSR. In the 80s the USSR had like 4 different leaders in less than a year because they were all old and kept dying. Once the new generation like Yeltsin and Gorbachev came to power it was clear they saw things differently despite their die-hard communist peers and despite heavy indoctrination and acceptance to communism.\n\nNevermind the fact that Germany has always been the center of spawning political theorists, often extremely left leaning liberals.\n\nSeveral fascist states survived ww2. None survived time. As soon as the people who created the state died, it immediately reformed into its natural culturally-western self."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nNSDAP were centrists though, socialists are left of libertarian capitalists, right of extremist communists."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>22\nFrench had a lot more reason to hate the Germans so they needed more convincing probably.\n\nBritain obviously lost a lot of men to Germany in WW1 but it was never some personal national revenge. Like France being upset over Alsace Lorraine"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>30\nMeiji Kampf is poorly written but I’d put most of the blame for that on Rudolf Hess\n\nHitler was either incapable of writing it himself or too lazy"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>40\nwith the help of the Italian navy, you know the thing boxed in the med, and krauts also considered the operation to costly and never did anaything similiar"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nI've read the whole Western Canon. Mein Kampf is not great, but certainly not badly written."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever trust the English. Never think that you can befriend the English. Never relax around the English. Until Germans learn this lesson, they will always lose."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nBased, total angl* annihilation is the way"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n\nIt wasnt Britain who broke all their promises.\n/pol/tards thinks Britain was obligated to ally Germany because thats what Hitler wanted."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>coping angloy noises"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it worked and most did\n*most of the french"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>why didn't the French keep fighting in a war they never wanted with their noble, honest Allies who bombed their fleet?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nNot the French at Dunkirk. Many of them were evacuated and the rest served as the rear guard that allowed British to retreat."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n\nThey surrendered after the evacuation had been complete and Dunkirk had no further strategic value while in a hopeless situation. A valid reason to surrender for anyone who isnt 1945 German or 1941 Russian.\n\n>>62\n>who bombed their fleet?\n\nAre you even aware of the basic chronology of ww2? Or do you think their fleet was bombed in 1938?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nI know I was just shitposting\n\n>>62\nassuming you're talking about mers el kebir, the ultimatum given was essentially\n>come join us, or if you don't want to\n>sail your fleet out of reach of the germans, or if you don't want to\n>scuttle your fleet\n>or else we're going to have to scuttle it for you\nthe french admiral deliberately omitted all but the last part when he related the ultimatum to his superiors despite the fact that he was under orders to sail the fleet out of reach of the germans if the british came after it anyway\nalso it happened a month after dunkirk"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nPerfidy knows now timeline you beedy eyed Angloscum.\n\n>>65\nThey killed 6k French sailors with virtually no warning."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>48\n> It did not stop german fighter production\nMy great grandfather was involved in the production of bf109 fighter planes during the war, in an underground facility in today's central Czech republic, Brno, far away even from his own home in the Czech north. I guess it would have been almost impossible to stop facilities like that from operating, I know they didn't stop production until the Russians literally kicked in the doors"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n\n>lolololol why didnt people invest in bitcoin in 1980 when it was obviously going to make them rich in 2010. How fucking dumb are these people lololol\n\n\nThats your cognitive capabilities of debating history you dumb walmart clerk."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>48\nThey were building transports, that's actually how the Battle of Britain started with the British bombing German transports.\n\n>>49\nMost of the BE at the time was sparsely populated with virtually no industry. There's a reason Brits relied on American aid, trade and production."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nThere is no debate to be had you halfwit. Britain was wrong about everything and is now getting raped by Pakis and ruled by Poos.\n\nEverything Britain did in the 20th century is utterly irrelevant now and will be revised by former colonials. They went the full mercantile path against everyone's warning and now they are paying the price. Britain was wrong about it all, and if they had simply acted with honour on occasion they could've been saved. At leadt France has a chance."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>They were building transports\n\nWhat are these worthless transports going to do against the British navy?\nWithout a surface fleet you cant make any invasion.\nAnd Germany could not get any surface fleet while the war was ongoing.\n\n>Most of the BE at the time was sparsely populated with virtually no industry\n\n\nAccording to Mark Harrison and Tooze\nCanada GDP was roughly 10 billion.\nHungary GDP was 1,5\nBulgaria GDP was 0.5\nRomania GDP was 1.5\n\nA single province in Canada outproduced each of Germanys allies. Canada was the main industry for the worlds aluminium, nickel and sulphur.\nBulgarias main economy was agriculture.\n\nIndia alone produced over 20.000 warships during ww2 for the British empire. India also mobilized nearly 3 million soldiers. India was the worlds largest industry of textiles.\n\nBritish South Africa and Rhodesia had the worlds main source of manganese, chrome and asbestos\nBritish Malaya had the worlds main source of rubber and tin.\nBritish Mesopotamia, Canada, and Malaya had huge oil sources which prompted Japan to attack USA.\n\n\nGuess how much of these resources and industrial capacity Italy or Hungary had? Near zero.\nBritain could import already manufactured goods and produced food from its overseas territories.\nGermany could import zero, and had to manufacture everything themselves and farm food themselves."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>27\nAnd an additional 200k in other french cities.\n>These men were also the best trained, most experienced and well equipt of the British forces\nThey were also kept in reserve after being evacuated from Dunkirk to defend Britain from a possible German invasion. Many were eventually sent to fight in North Africa after the invasion didn't materialize."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n\n\nThat anon make himself look like an absolute idiot with every post he makes.\n\n>BEF was the largest army Britain fielded...\n>Germany could invade Britain because I played HOI...\n>Just keep sending more bombers...\n>Paratroopers will capture UK....\n>Germany can build transports....\n>British empire had no industry or resources....\n>Europe has everything Germany needs...\n\n\nI asked him how he's going to ferry troops across and he said something about uboats. Lmao."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>unknown\n>>1 (OP)\nThe second map is better because it doesn't show Dover. In the first one they put that shit on the map and just didn't mention it, as if British soldiers aren't going to look at it and see how close they are to friendly land."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>29\n\nFallschirmjäger barely managed to take Crete, defended by British army clerks and goatybois armed with rocks and daggers and you think they'd last 5 minutes attacking the British mainland?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>60\nYou're not white"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>7\n>>neglects the kriegsmarine to sway the anglo\nHoly mother of cope. They were neglecting the Kriegsmarine because they lacked the resources to build a large fleet, it's as simple as that. Germany prioritized the army, which they still couldn't supply with enough fuel, for obvious reasons. They'd never waste precious resources on a navy when the army was already starving for them"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>7\n>1 year since Russian paratroopers got BTFO at Hostomel airport\n>70+ years since Market Garden ended up a failure\n>People today still believe unsupported Paratroopers can accomplish anything\nGermany could only ever defeat Britain if it managed to attain COMPLETE air superiority and naval superiority in order to land an enormous invasion force, neither of which was ever in their grasp."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>24\n>Seelöwe probably would've worked\nWith what Navy, and what Air force?\nThe Germans didn't do it for lack of will, they simply lacked the physical, tangible material, equipment needed to pull off such a gargantuan stunt.\nSealion would have been the largest seaborne invasion to date, in that time period. The Anglo-American invasion of Normandy in 1944 was an enormous effort that required 2 years of combined British Empire + American cooperation and industry to pull off successfully. How in God's name do you imagine Germany accomplishing this alone, in 1940 or 1941, when they can't even establish air supremacy or build a surface fleet to replace their losses at Norway?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>50\nNicholas Pringle - The Unknown Warriors"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>25\n>telling the British that they're fighting and dying for the victory of marxism\nWhich ironically would have backfired immensely given that the British working class was pro-Marxist and liked \"Uncle Joe\" anyway lol\n>>26\n>He thinks the common Joe was an \"intellectual powerhouse\" in 1900\nThe armies of Europe often had to reject half of volunteer recruits because of malnutrition and poor health"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>30\nTranslations often make it *easier* to read convoluted German\n>t. Read Thomas Mann in German and in English"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>32\n>Unironically even HoI is a better argument it's at least based on a simulation model and not pure make belief of an untouchable Britain which was conquered by a handful of normans tranported with wooden boats.\nAnon, I..."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>37\n>>your traditional neighborhood is bulldozed and replaced with highways and appartment blocks for the immigrants\nI love how this was so obviously written by an American lmao. Most UK houses are still from the fucking 1920s, they *wish* those houses had been demolished. The insulation is shit, wiring is outdated, plumbing needs updating...\nFYI most working class \"trad\" British common men were more like pic related. There's a reason why Marx and Engels wrote their stuff while living in Manchester and London, the UK was ground zero for working class abuse and the people there were very conscious about class conflict."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nGermany focus on the navy build up and North Africa campaign.\n\nOperation Barbarossa led no where."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>40\n>Germans successfully defeated France therefore they could obviously successfully defeat the USSR using the same tactics\nDifferences in scale here, bud. Invading a Greek island filled with sheep farmers isn't the same as invading Europe's most industrialized island with a population bigger than France."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>57\n>Germany is the one that invades its Italian ally, Hungarian ally, burns down Finnish Lapland, and broke the Munich Agreement\n>\"Die Anglos did it, we wuz Gute Boys wir dindu nichts\"\nOkay Hans"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>70\n>and if they had simply acted with honour on occasion\nActing with honour would have been declaring war on Germany in 1938 and helping the Czechs rape every kraut who crossed into Czechoslovakia.\nIt's hilarious how the Americans on this website think 'EVROPA = Germany' and nothing else. Son, the people who hated Germany the most were other Europeans who had to put up with their bullshit."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>85\n>Just ignore the Soviet Union bro\n>*Gets bulldozed by a freshly modernized and unmolested Red Army*"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>79\n\nPeople online boast statements how Germany only needed to construct transport ships and off they go.\n\nGermany needed to construct pic related.\n\nImperial Germany spent two decades constructing the largest surface fleet they possibly could, with far greater access to resources since they werent at war.\nAnd they still came nowhere near being able to defeat the British navy. They never even made it out to the Atlantic.\n\nAnon wants Germany to build a larger fleet, in less time, with less resources, to achieve much more.\n\nGermany didnt even have an amphibious doctrine. There was no equiptment, there was no material, there was no experience.\nIt took the allies months before they managed to secure port which hadnt been damaged or sabotaged. They had to construct an artificial port.\n\n\nJust read this and try imagine Germany instead of America.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_logistics_in_the_Normandy_campaign#Build-up"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>85\n\n>North Africa\n>Focus on the front that drained the absolute most Axis resources for the least strategic purpose and literally led nowhere.\n\n>Neglect the USSR\n>USSR complete its military modernization and rearmament program.\n>USSR begins to further encroach on Romania"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nAlso note that the US fleet that invaded Okinawa (an island you can walk across in a single day) was bigger than the entire German surface navy lol"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>81\n\nI mean it goes to show why Churchill lost the election in 1945 while the war was still ongoing.\nBritish working class became pretty upset when things \"went back to normal\" after having experienced nearly full class equality during the wartime crisis only to revert back to the bourgeoisie aristocracy.\nMost Brits saw Labour as the real government since they had been largely responsible for the domestic policies during the war."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nPretty much. Telling the Brits that they were fighting a war to destroy the old order would have only spurned them to fight harder lol, the \"golden age\" of the British Empire was a colossal piece of shit for the working class and they didn't see any reason why they should keep colonies like India when kids in London were starving and dying of preventable diseases.\nIt's a lot like the USA today actually. Arguably the wealthiest and strongest country in history, but how many working class people in West Virginia or in Mississippi are happy about that?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>57\nHonestly this, both WW1 and WW2 Germanies were led by retarded Anglophilies. Russia is also led by Putin who is too Anglophilie, so they will probably lose as well."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>Anglophilies\nBismarck stressed good relations with Britain because it was key to isolate France.\n\nWilhelm could hardly be considered anglophile since he knowingly did almost everything to antagonize them.\n\nTo the British, Hitler would go on to say nice things about them because it was convenient for his ambitions, and since he proved at Munich that his words meant nothing, his flattering words may well change once he has realized his ambitions of continental hegemony.\n\nThe /pol/tard argument is that Britain should have allied Germany because that's what Hitler wanted and Hitler must have his way and everyone else must make it happen even if it's not in their best interest and Hitler gave zero fucks to meet them half-way in diplomacy."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nWilhelm was an actual retard, he didn't antagonize them on purpose, he just didn't realize what his words and actions meant. It was so bad that he was forbidden to speak publicly without consultation.\nHitler was in fact a huge britaboo, he wrote so in his book. The Lebensraum doctrine was inspired by the British Empire, which he also saw as proof of aryan success"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncool"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n\nNo the lebensraum was just the extension of German Drang nach osten which has existed throughout German settlements and national awakening\nIt was also the result of ww1. The naval blockade of Germany was a traumatizing experience which was a major factor for Germanys surrender, they wanted Germany not to be reliant on the outside world when they had no overseas possessions themselves nor the means to secure those possessions and trade routes.\nFinally, it was just pure fascist ideology. They wanted Germany to rely on no one but themselves and being able to stand up to any opposing nation.\n\nHitler was never serious about any alliance with Britain. It would strictly be on his terms and a means to achieve his ambitions. I'm sure he would have liked an alliance because it would basically have solidified Germanys position without any real immediate opposition, but he was never prepared to compromise any of his ambitions for diplomacy with Britain. He was going to have his way and Britain can either accept or declare war. The British could only take as much."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nhe was very serious about an alliance with Britain. He wrote whole pages about it with many possible outcomes. Of course, it was utopian to think Britain would ally Germany, the theoretic scenarios never applied to reality"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>44\n>Nazi Germany's economy eventually collapses\n>With plenty of time to prepare the Soviet Union ends up steam rolling over mainland Europe"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>49\nYou should include the weapons and supply shipments coming from the USA"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\n\nYou don't get it do you?\nSaying nice things and writing nice things are irrelevant. Actions proved that he was uninterested in an alliance when actions demanded concessions for diplomacy and mutual goals and trust.\nHe betrayed their first real diplomatic agreement as soon as the British had honored their part at Munich. He loaned from the British state during the four year plan and then broke all the loan bonds. He refused to cooperate when Britain pleaded for more diplomatic will regarding Poland. The list goes on. His \"alliance\" was strictly on his terms and he was unable to meet Britain half-way like any real partner seeking an alliance would. He utterly gambled on Britain's resolve with every decision which further testifies that his flattering words of alliance may as well have been purely out of convenience rather than shared interests.\n\nDo you need a more /pol/ reference?\nSay that you are a BLM organizer. You post tweets all day about standing up for black community. As soon as you've received millions of funds, you buy your own property in a rich non-black neighborhood and tune out.\nHow should words/actions be weighted here?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nnot to mention you can look at how any of Germanys alliances with most euro states ended when they were no longer convient to germany\n>Italy wants out of the war\n>gets invaded and puppeted by them\n>Romania wants out of the war\n>gets invaded and puppeted by them\n>Hungry wants out of the war\n>gets invaded and puppeted by them"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\n\nI could have.\nI could also have made it more illustrative how Britain had complete access to the remaining world market while Germany was nearly strictly confined within Europe only.\n\nBut I figured the point should have been clear."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If it's true we evolved from apes, then I can no longer believe in the Bible."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOops, sorry wrong pic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nWhats the difference?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did they call it evilution if they didn't want us to think that it's satanic?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou just can't read or spell because you're uneducated like all Christians."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\n>William Lane Craig\n>Buy my book goyim for $9.99 to unlock the secrets of God"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ADAM! EVE! COME OUT FROM BEHIND THOSE TREES\n>I KNOW YOU'RE THERE! I CAN SMELL YOUR FEAR!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>GODDAMNIT, EVE!! YOU'VE REALLY DONE IT THIS TIME!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\ni can't tell the difference"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nkek"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI swear everytime a shitposter reposts this image he edits it a shade darker"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is not true"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThere've actually been some experiments where bird genes were fucked with and the embryos started developing dino traits. It's pretty cool."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's not necessarily true, you can believe in both"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>11\nJajajajajaja"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why can Israel collect on reparations for crimes done to jewish-noncitizens from before the state even existed, but not is not liable for damages for crimes committed by jewish non-citizens?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Its almost like jews cannot tell you whether or not corporate responsibility exists until you tell them why you are asking."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nJews just don't have any sort of concept of true or false. For them, words are just sounds they make to try and get what they want, they have no external meaning."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nTo live in Western societies is a privilege the jewish race enjoys but does not deserve. Jews are more sophisticated gypsies and far more dangerous; unlike gypsies jews are a society-destroying threat. A jew will almost never call out the crimes of his criminal clan. A jew can be openly racist against goyim and still be held in high regard. Either jews agree or the rabid racism from this man is simply not a deal-breaker because he served the tribe. When you look at jews in this way it makes perfect sense that they fervently defend Israel. Seeing a jew as your countryman is a mistake; his loyalty is to the tribe and you must always take this into account."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nI see no reason to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of a jew"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSame could be said for certain whites lmao"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nJews aren't white"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>state promotes its own interest, leveraging every advantage or tool it has available, more news at 11\nCountries push for reparations all the fucking time, and the fact that a state claiming to represent the group subject to the most infamous genocide in history would get a lot of gibs without having to pay much out isn't actually remarkable"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nBuddy you seem to have accidentally ignored the second part of anons question"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhy shouldn’t Israel be forced to pay reparations to the victims of judeo-bolshevism tho?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI agree with you that Israel shouldn't be receiving reparations for the holocaust, the state that perpetrated it no longer exists and the state of Israel wasn't a victim"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nWhos gonna punish them? Russia? Babushkas love Stalin"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>the state that perpetrated it no longer exists a\nCountries are not real, the perpetrator was the white race."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>the perpetrator was the white race.\nWhy are these j3ws smiling"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nIdeally interpol"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nStates have very little to gain from demanding reparations from Israel. Any financial claims against individuals would be quite small unless they pull out meme tier historical claims, and even then such claims would be properly filtered through their own courts since they can just prosecute the individual responsible. But doing so would gain nothing and make the country doing it look stupid, with other countries not really caring about how it supposedly demonstrates how hypocritical Israel is.\n\nOr of course they could just go to war with Israel based on the idea that the Jewish people have aggrieved them, win, and then force Israel to pay reparations."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nSo in short, jews control the courts, the media, and America and wouldn't let it fly"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nBecause their opressor stopped oppresing them but that doesnt mean they wont pay for their crime. The white race is a person, as you clearly know\n>>15\nInterpol is a french meme"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nAnd the victim was ash in the oven. So no need for reparations"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nThey don't control any of that anymore lol, maybe the press that no one reads."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Maybe\nThere is no maybe. The jews control the media. It's not even debatable anymore\n>that no one reads\nIs this because some people no longer trust the lying jews? Even if you were to be correct, which you are not, the media absolutely affects peoples' perceptions of social and economic issues. If they're not reading the newspaper, they're looking at retweeted headlines or abridged summaries from Brooklyn Dad or Jojofromjerz, and where do you think they get THEIR information from? The news of course"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>Because their opressor\nI know what you're trying to do. The holocaust was based and self defense btw. But obviously the fact there was a world war fought between different European country proves Europeans are not to be judged under one banner. It's ungrateful spiteful kike thinking, and a false equivalence.\n>Interpol is a french meme\nThey are called the inernational police so they should arrest perpetrators of international jewry"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Is this because some people no longer trust the lying jews?\nNo, because people don't have the attention span for anything other than Twitter, TikTok and Youtube shorts anymore."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>They are called the inernational police\nIts a loose association of police forces with no power beyond sending email asking for voluntary help to other forces"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI don't understand what you are trying to say. I am saying that an organization calling itself interpol should deal with international criminal syndicates such as the jewish race regardless of their current power"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a reason Stalin purged them all from government and supported Palestine over Israel. The wrong side won the Cold War."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nInterpol isnt a real organization, its just an email list"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nEnd jewishness"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm\nLmao\nThis narrative of Stalin hating kikes"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>trusting what he said\n>not looking at what he did\nOK"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>O-oy vey! How could you go-anon? We want the edgy teens believing communism is based and redpilled and definitely not jewish!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nDid I not literally say they are getting their news from mouthpieces they think are their friends, information that comes from partisan news anyway\nYes, it is significant that the power to control what Americans see and do not see lies in the hands of the jews of their minions. This is without even devling into the financial impact of owning massive media conglomerates during the television age, OR addressing it was a flagrantly false claim to begin with. How the fuck are they still making money with no interest?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIdk Anon. Modern America is more antisemetic than it has been in the last 50 years. The media declared Trump a racist wignat Nazi and the majority of white people voted for him anyway.\n\nThe media establishment has lost control, that's why they speeding up demographic destruction which backfired for them anyway. They are squealing because they know they're probably going to die in an oven seeing a bunch of Latinos LARPing in Hugo Boss ripoff uniforms throw them in."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>Idk Anon. Modern America is more antisemetic than it has been in the last 50 years.\nI highly doubt this is true but I know we are not anti-semitic enough. How is one even to gauge that? If you are referring to individual incidents of anti-semitism, not only would that prove nothing, as the vast majority are just cases of niggers attacking anything around them because they are violent and stupid, but the US population has increased by 100 million in 50 years. I would love to know what metric you go by\n>The media establishment has lost control,\nThe (jewish) media has an inordinate amount of control over the Overton window. I don't know what community is next in their batting order but right now trannies are at the plate. This bud light tranny controversy is honestly one of the lamest campaigns I've seen. When I say they control the overton window I mean that left and right are mere tools for the jew. Though not equivalent, they still have literally every so-called \"right wing\" politician in the palm of their hands. Trump and Desantis both gargle Israeli semen; Trump obviously is no nazi. When they have control over the bounds of politics, they get 0 attention span retards discussing which brand of piss water to shove down their throats instead of government corruption, or the jews, their toxic influence, and how we can hold them accountable. That is the absolute #1 political issue to me. You even see fake right wing mouthpieces like Matt Walsh constantly defend the tribe. His goal seems to be to redirect American frustration towards \"leftists\" and \"trannies\" which are mere symptoms of\nliving under jewish rule. There are always going to be leftist jews complaining about Trump or Desantis however, because the white genocide initiative is paramount and anyone who becomes a hero or riles up the white working class is an enemy. That is how much they fucking hate us, and that's not even getting into jews who vote Republican. They are somehow worse"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>that's why they speeding up demographic destruction which backfired for them anyway.\nWhat do you mean? Demographic replacement dilutes white power. It works as intended and they're not stopping because no one has stopped them. It would backfire if\n>People would stand up to the government. All white men go on general strike and watch society grind to a halt.\n>armed rebellion\n>We have a government that acts in our best interests anyway, so not America, a country that both legally and illegally imports millions of spics AND pampers them with gibs\nWe have sanctuary cities ffs. Does such a thing exist anywhere else, where not only does the government turn a blind eye to law-breaking, they establish zones where breaking the law is completely legal and no one will be punished for it?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>they establish zones where breaking the law is completely legal and no one will be punished for it?\nTake your meds"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nYou know you are hitting the nail on the head when you get this retarded response"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nIt's violent attacks yeah, some of them at record levels like in New Jersey, the most attacks in its history. But also it's been completely completely normalised to speak of Jews owning the press/Hollywood etc.. Sure, some people would rebuff heavily, others agreeing. But it's major difference from a decade ago where you would get NPC stares. Even in Nazi Germany most people were still Weimar brained and defending Jews.\n\n>>35\nThe illegals are mostly Christians. The real problem is the legal Asians, they are worse than Jews, even more subversive.\n\nMost of the cowards will leave the second any major violence breaks out though."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>It's violent attacks yeah\nWhen the population has grown 100+ million since the 1970s? In 1973 our population was 212 million. It makes since that there would be more total incidents. And how are they even determining which attacks are anti-semitic? Jews have this tendency, and yes it's intentional, to use this label against any criticism. I don't think it's a stretch to apply this broadly to any attacks against a jew. I remember being accused of being an anti-semite in real life because I asked questions about Israel's treatment about Palestinians.\nThe average black criminal lacks the brain capacity to understand the jewish question as completely separate from whites. It's also not uncommon for them to attack the elderly/middle-aged which all hasidic jews I've seen seem to be. To add on to this, it is extremely likely the ADL inflates numbers as much as it can.\n>The illegals are mostly Christians\nSo? There are simply so many foreigners in this country in addition to the black slave descendants that the voice of an American has been heavily diluted. Most of the foreigners are Mexican. How would say the Democratic party operate if it were forced to address white issues instead of rallying its base of blacks with no critical thinking skills, self hating whites, and foreigners?\n>The real problem is the legal Asians, they are worse than Jews, even more subversive.\nChinese are cutthroat, blacks and jews are some of the worst things to happen to America. When someone tried to speak of jewish overrepresentation they froze his bank accounts. The push for black culture into the mainstream is also lead by them. The Sugarhill Gang was bankrolled by Morris Levy, the head of Roulette Records. Rapper's Delight was one of the early rap hits. Kurtis Blow is another example, is considered the first rapper to sign to a major label. Mercury Records was formed by Irving Green, Berle Adams, Ray Greenberg, and Arthur Talmadge. For two of these you don't even need an early"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>>39\n...life section. So are jews communicating with each other telepathically to destroy their host nations? No, they are different people acting on basic instinct and what they have been taught by other jews. But there sure do seem to be a lot of negrophilic jews. The idea of jews being a clannish tribe that do not identify with Europeans is not an uncommon sentiment either. I believe there is a trickle down from rabbinical \"goyim are slaves\" circles that permeates the brains of even secular jews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the early 1900s, Germany had a bargain with Egypt where its archeologists could dig up ancient stuff. They would then make a list of what they found, the Egyptians would examine the list, and approve of certain objects being taken back to museums in Germany.\n\nA German archeologist discovered the Bust of Nefertiti, lied about it on the report, and took it to Germany. Since then, Imperial Germany, Weimar Germany, Nazi Germany, West Germany, and modern Germany have all refused demands by Egypt to return the bust, making it the only foreign policy decision all five states agree upon."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthats because its a forgery"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Western archaeologists orchestrated the massive sampling on the best remaining works of art in the early 20th century. Aside from their colonial outlook, one of their alleged motivations was to protect these works of arts from vandalism due to Islamic iconoclasm and the depredations of treasure hunters.\n>Most of the dismantled panels were sent to the Museum für Indische Kunst, Berlin, Germany, but ironically and tragically many were lost in the destructions of World War II, with only photographs or drawings remaining in the best cases.\n\nAbout the Kizil Caves. Given the current situation in Europe it's somewhat reasonable for thirdies to want their artifacts back but it's also hard to complain in cases like these, any archaeologist seeing art near Muslims would likely smuggle it to Europe immediately. The sad part is that even nowadays Chinese tourists are still ravaging the place.\n\nI don't think there will ever be any safe places for relics. Maybe if South America could get its shit together and stop burning their own museums down, but that's a pipe dream."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>any archaeologist seeing art near Muslims would likely smuggle it to Europe immediately.\nThat's a weak justification for theft. Especially since we have to this day westerners who try to smuggle out goods. One Italian man in Malindi, Kenya stole religious idols still in used within sacred forests. He not only refused to give them back but justified it by saying they weren't using it anymore. not that people who made those idols stopped placing them in the forest because of reality that they got gypped\n\nThe only reason why the Nubian pyramids were in ruins was because an Italian bombed them in search of treasures."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSource on the Nubian pyramids?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>The destruction was carried out in stages. Initially, the statues were fired at for several days using anti-aircraft guns and artillery. This caused severe damage, but did not obliterate them. During the destruction, Taliban Information Minister Qudratullah Jamal said that, \"The destruction work is not as easy as people would think. You can't knock down the statues by dynamite or shelling as both of them have been carved in a cliff. They are firmly attached to the mountain.\" Later, the Taliban placed anti-tank mines at the bottom of the niches, so that when fragments of rock broke off from artillery fire, the statues would receive additional destruction from particles that set off the mines. In the end, the Taliban lowered men down the cliff face and placed explosives into holes in the Buddhas. After one of the explosions failed to obliterate the face of one of the Buddhas, a rocket was launched that left a hole in the remains of the stone head.\n\nThis is all the justification anyone should need."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>talking about egyptian antiquities\n>quotes out the afghani taliban\n???"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nread the thread again"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>Al-Aziz Uthman (1171–1198), the second Ayyubid Sultan of Egypt, tried to destroy the Giza pyramid complex. He gave up after only damaging the Pyramid of Menkaure because the task proved too large.\nHappy now?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>(1171–1198)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>there is considerable evidence of popular local pride in monuments such as the Giza Pyramids and the Sphinx, so much that these monuments were never destroyed out of the fear of causing riots.[2] The monuments of Pharaonic Egypt were generally seen as possessing magical powers and were viewed as objects of respect by ordinary Egyptians, despite the fact that the Koran execrates ancient Egypt as an especially reprehensible period of jahiliyyah.[3] As late as 1378, it was reported that nominally Muslim peasants would go burn incense at night in front of the Sphinx while uttering prayers which were said to empower the Sphinx to speak, which led a Sufi holy man to attack the Sphinx.[2] Local legends claimed the attack on the Sphinx led to a massive sand storm at Giza, which only ended with the holy man's lynching.\n\n>In Egypt, the popular belief that the Pyramids and the Sphinx together with the other ruins of ancient Egypt had magical powers did much to ensure their survival with one 13th century Muslim writer, Jamal al-Din al-Idrisi, warning that to destroy the Pyramids would unleash dark supernatural forces that would cause such carnage that horses would wade in human blood, leading him to the conclusion that the Pyramids were best left alone.[4] Such beliefs about the magical powers said to be invested in the ruins of ancient Egypt testified to a certain popular pride in and reverence for the ancient past of Egypt.[3] In the same way, Egyptians in the Middle Ages invented a story that the Pharaoh mentioned in the Book of Exodus and in the Koran was not an Egyptian, but rather an Iranian, in an attempt to salvage pride in the ancient past despite the way the Koran condemns it.[4] To prevent the destruction of the ruins, medieval Egyptians usually \"Islamized\" the ruins by inventing stories associating them with the companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad or local Sufi saints, thereby turning them into quasi-Islamic sites that could not be destroyed.[3]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP) (OP)\nWhy wouldnt the onions governments we have today give it back?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>muslims aren't stuck in the middle ages"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nIs this supposed to be some sort of rebuttal to the matter at hand? It doesn't even logically connect to my post"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nlmfao the shitskin can't read"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWho is fighting who right now? What's your position here?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nIm pointing out that Egyptians have been protecting their antiquities even during the middle ages, most if not all the destruction was done by the foreign Caliphs\ntrying to draw a comparison between Egypt and taliban afghanistan is retarded"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nPosting that Egyptian commoners had to invent complex larps to show how the pagan temples are ackshually Islamic doesn't refute the point that Islam is an active danger to them by any stretch. The pyramids right now are not threatened since Egypt depends upon tourism, but a scenario where it collapses into civil war and retarded salafists destroy things isn't even unimaginable, and that's the point."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>doesn't refute the point that Islam is an active danger to them by any stretch.\nit shows that the people themselves care about them enough to protect them, trying to ignore the reality of egyptian culture and commoner outlook for some sect of islam that a small schizo minority believes in is very flimsy\nits like saying antiquities cant be trusted in western nations in europe because of the constant riots/wars in the past >>3\n>where it collapses into civil war\nLe egypt civil war meme has been parroted since 2013 and literally nothing came of it"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nIt proves that the beliefs held in Islam about antiquities are not always translated into destructive action against them"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nAntiquities should probably not be held in the Balkans or Russia either, yes.\n>Le egypt civil war meme has been parroted since 2013 and literally nothing came of it\nYou are mentally retarded and either missing or deliberately evading the point\n>>21\nPuyi proves that the beliefs held in communism about aristocrats are not always translated into killing them, yet you would clearly be retarded to remain in a communist country as an aristocrat."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually I have it in animal crossing"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\nI think the Taliban destroying the Buddhas in Afghanistan says enough\n\n>>4\n>black people and africa\n\nNo one cares about that irrelevant shit"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nIf it's a forgery then why does Egypt want it back so bad? Probably just to destroy it because it looks too white and they can't cope."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>it because it looks too white\nthe fuck"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nI hope niggers jump you at school tomorrow Chang"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>I think the Taliban destroying the Buddhas in Afghanistan says enough\nthat was based because it made chuds like you seethe"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In December 2009, Friederike Seyfried, director of Berlin's Egyptian Museum and Papyrus Collection, presented to the Egyptians documents held by the museum regarding the discovery of the bust, which include a protocol signed by the German excavator and the Egyptian Antiquities Service. In the documents, the bust was listed as a painted plaster bust of a princess, but in his diary, Borchardt clearly referred to it as the head of Nefertiti. \"This proves that Borchardt wrote this description so that his country can get the statue,\" Hawass said. \"These materials confirm Egypt's contention that (he) did act unethically with intent to deceive.\" However, Hawass said Egypt didn't consider the bust to be a looted antiquity. \"I really want it back,\" he said.[39] His statement also said that the authority to approve the return of the bust to Egypt lies with the Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation and the German culture minister.[53]\n\nSo they were too lazy and basically didn't bother to check the list. \"plaster bust of a princess\" is pretty fucking significant. They never cared about the history before until they realised its worth tourist money.\n\n>>12\nThis paragraph is literally mixing pride with fear. These are the grave robbers that tore the marbel off the pyramids. They never associated with it, they just feared it.\n\nIt's the same thing with the Nafturian ruins, the superstitious Muslims fear it too much to fuck with it."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>20\n>Le egypt civil war meme has been parroted since 2013 and literally nothing came of it\nLe Syrian civil war meme has been parroted since 2008"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nretard\n>Nafturian\nretard"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">westerners don't bring enough aid to our starving children\n>say you'll destroy the buddha statues if they don't bring money\n>they offer to buy the statues instead, giving you more than enough to feed the entire country\n>instead you spend several millions of dollars worth in missiles shooting at the buddha for an entire week\neuroids absolutely btfo"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nWe’re talking about actual historical artifacts that have cultural weight as they are tied to ancient civilizations, not Chief Peepee Tûtû’s bongo drums he plays before rallying his child soldiers to butcher a village of pygmies.\n\n>>28\n>destroy history to own le chuds\n\nMao is that you?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\n>it looks too white\nit doesn't particularly \"white\" sweety, unfortunately for yt pipo, you're not special, sandniggers are your racial brothers and sisters and share your features"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\n>So they were too lazy and basically didn't bother to check the list. \"plaster bust of a princess\" is pretty fucking significant\nIf you go on to read that article, it says he wrapped it up and let a guy vaguely look at the box, knowing he'd be too lazy to examine something that was already packed up, because he knew instantly the bust's value and wanted to downplay it to the Egyptians."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\nlol what, it looks a copt woman"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\n>they offer to buy the statues instead, giving you more than enough to feed the entire country\na couple millions is nothing though. Getting sanctioned by NATO and then some European fuckers saying they want to pay for some old ass statues would piss anyone off"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>18\nLmfao why you even need to explain yourself\nWhat a cuck"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>26\n>>34\n>>36\nThe people who built the Great Pyramids were white."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\nWhat about western europe or germany? that part of the world has seen plenty of conflict\n>>30\nyou are retarded if you think the political structure or demographics of egypt is anything like syria\nEgypt is vastly more homogenous and centralized"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nwe were kings and stuff dude!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">He bad because he banned jews from marrying pagans and Christians\nwhy do the chosen people even want to mingle with the hated goyim?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShiksa pussy got them acting strange"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is why"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCool theory but not real.\n>>1 (OP)\nthey want their segregation to be self-imposed."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nJews literally suck mutilated baby penis blood, they're cannibals."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMetzitzah B'Peh, as horrible as it is does not prove Jews are Neanderthals anon I'm sorry."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI studided Genocides for my Doctorate. The Jewish Holocaust professor who was the head of the History Department believed Jews were Neanderthals and that the Cro-Magnons shoah'd them out of Europe 20,000 years ago.\nWhether it's genetically proveable or not, it's the headcanon of many influential jews, and apart of their culture and biological inclinations."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nparasites need a host"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nTheir own book has them banned from marrying goyim and jews are slaughtered by constantly for mixing. Their other books are super racist towards goyim"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>have book that says you are the chosen ones and everyone else are gentile cattles that should work for you\n>gets you kicked out or massacred\nshocked Pikachu face"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, this is why he’s bad"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGoyim pussy the best"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nanon, anyone who is not fully African has neanderthal blood. Which probably includes you.\n\"The neanderthal predation hypothesis\" has some water to hold but only answers the wuestion why humans killed neanderthals to extinction and anything else claimed in the book is just speculation that ignores the fact that neanderthals became extinct by the time homo sapiens societies spread around the Eurasia.\nAlso what even the first pic is even trying to depict."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAre they self aware?"}, {"id": 16, "content": "And then that dumbass Julian started kissing jewish ass"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nNeanderthal skulls are like niggers but ten times more emotionally unstable. No, they're not self aware. They operate purely on instinct, complete animals with no ability to doubt themselves. They will either kill everything on the planet after castrating and de-castrating it into oblivion or be slaughtered by people who don't want all life to go extinct.\n>>14\nwhy didn't you respond to my previous post? Replying to the OG post with a bunch of lies and word slop is pretty jewish.\nAlso Modern Europeans have next to no Neanderthal DNA. Cro-Magnons and Modern Europeans are almost 1-1 the same unless they have admixture like Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, etcetera.\n\nYou're fooling no one."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBGC makes jewess wet"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody ever said this guy was bad\nIn fact nobody except late-romaboos even know who this guy is\nRegardless he was a decent and underated emperor"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nYou become Jewish from mothers side, Schlomo. It means that Jewish women fuck goyim cock."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nAlso not because he was anti jewish was just a good emperor"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Nobody ever said this guy was bad\nkek historians and pop historians shit on him for cementing Christianity, beginning the end of paganism, and anti jew laws"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe most underrated roman emperor\nKeeps the persians in check, repels the germans, defeat the usurpers, puts up with church autism and his fucking backstabbing family (Cousins and brothers). And reunites the empire and keeps the froniers as safe as they can be in that age"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How ethnically homogenous were Vikings?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWE"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I'm under the impression that viking raiding parties were not scandinavian-exclusive. There were non-scandies among them. I remember from my early middle ages history class a few years back being told of a visigoth who was a member of a viking party.\n\nIdk about the extent of the diversity though. It might have just been a few odd exceptions."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Pure african american stock"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni hate american culture so fucking much"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Norwegian archeologists investigating Viking burials in Ireland found out that 20 - 25 % of the buried Vikings was Sami (Finno-Ugrian) from northern Norway"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nThat's because there was no such thing as \"Scandi\" identity, they were Germanic and would not have perceived Goths as more foreign than other Germanic tribes. Half of \"Norse mythology\" is about Goths and other continental Germans, they were the same culture. However, I doubt their inclusivity went beyond that.\n>>6\nThere are 0 Sami-like Viking samples in the British Isles."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe could pass as a local in any modern Scandinavian major city."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe viking graves are very heterogeneous. But many of these guys probably weren't vikings but slaves.\nCheck out the PCA of published Scandinavian samples. They are all over the place. Especially Baltic presence is very visible. Gotland samples are mostly Baltic-like."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nLots of samples. Many southern ones, many Baltic and Uralic."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThey don't seem to get much more southern than flanders and barely more baltic than lithuania"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou have some French like and one Spanish like. Many samples are Lithuanian like, two Finnish like, one seems to be pure Saami (that viking era triangle).\nSome Slavic samples also show up, but yeah, the majority is Scandinavia.\n\nI think the colored figures on graph A show averages."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nGermanics had a weird practice of capturing slaves on raids, then allowing them to work their way to freedom and become full members of society without reservations. I'm still perplexed at how Ulfilas was allowed to happen. Same reason there's L21 in and N in Scandinavia now."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThere was a DNA study about some medieval Scandi village pre- and post-black death. The pre-black death samples were more diverse, with lots of guys who looked like Northwest Europeans. After the pandemic only Scandis remained."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nDisproportionate impact on lower classes, I take it. They really lucked out."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>40% of them clustering in england\nWE WUZ EFFECTIVELY"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nFinnish admixture was present is Scandinavia before the viking period, so it probably reflects some ancient migrations."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>The burial chamber is the largest c. 10 m2 (NNE–SSW) of all known in the lake Mälar region and northern Sweden from CE 200–700.57 >The human skeletal parts that remained were a collar and a rib bone with healed trauma belonging to a middle-aged large, muscular male,74,75 emphasising the impression that the grave was built for a trained male warrior. >The gold finger rings, one of them the largest gold finger ring ever found in Sweden, were probably military honours; the chain mail, belt and the boar-like tusks, and canines from pigs, probably for a horse fitting, may indicate that the man had been in Roman service. >In the grave was a worn gold coin used as a pendant, struck for the Roman emperor Maximian Hercules 291CE.76,77 Bones from a dog and a goshawk were found in the chamber, as well as a phalanx from a bear, suggesting that bear skin was placed with the deceased. >The goshawk represents the earliest evidence of hunting with birds of prey in the region, a tradition that otherwise belongs to the 6th century.78,79 >The numerous (more than 20) domestic species in the mound filling are interpreted as animals used for the burial feast.75,78\n\nYeah, some of them were even elites. The guy was N1a1a1a1a1a1a7a."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nbasically everything remotely european"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\n>Visigoth\n>9th century"}, {"id": 21, "content": "80% of sampled Vikings were Haplogroup NO Northern Chinese and Northern Japanese, which meant bugmen completely dominated whites for 3 centuries."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nYeah. I guess except for that one Saami sample. Let's be serious, blacks were extremely uncommon in ancient and medieval Europe. It's just revisionism and propaganda.\n\nI can think of 4 samples with some black ancestry (that's more than just North African ancestry) out of thousands (I think it's close to 7000) European ancient DNA samples (including post-antiquity samples, but not modern ones).\n\n1. The East African/Sudanese-like sample from Roman Era Viminacium\n2. The 23% black girl from Anglo-Saxon England\n3 and 4. Two guys from Muslim Spain.\n\nI guess there was also some slave found in a ditch from 17th century Spain or Portugal."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nBut Modern Scandis are nearly majority NW Euro, Low German/Saxon and Dutch."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\n>Orangeoids tell the fair robust Keltic BVLLs to fight the disease\n>The Keltic BVLLs singlehandedly conquer BLACK'Death and die in the process\n>Scandis inherit the labors of the L21 BVLLs"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIcelanders werent homogenous. They are and were a mix of celts and nords. You can see it in their phenotype. Hafthor Bjornson looks like an oversized scot, and pic related is an Icelandic model, heavy celtic influence."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\nPeople like him would have existed in the Hunnic-occupied areas, I wonder if anyone thought of that at the time or if there was too much of a gap between them."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Hunnic"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIf you mean to say they weren't in Scandinavia, there was still great cultural exchange to the point of Atli being a Scandinavian given name, so it doesn't seem impossible to me for someone to recognise it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nnah\nI remember seeing paper with WMAF burials, where huns were handling asiatic women to 'germanics' that were allied to them"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>13\n>ulgilas was not actually a german but a roman cappadocian.\nWhat the fuck I did not know this."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nIcelanders are the purest Germanics.\nIt’s just assumed they are all half Celtic.\nThey are 25% Celtic 75% Germanic, Norwegians and Swedes are not even 60% Germanic.\nIcelanders look more Celtic due to their climate selecting for phenotypic traits more common in North West Atlantic."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nUlfilas, FUCK."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nHe would be specially qualified to translate the Bible since he would actually know Greek from his parents. Just bizarre how tolerant they are to integrating foreigners like this."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>14\nthe scandi were jews that poisoned all goys"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nI just saw the name and assumed german. Same way youd see musa ibn musa from zaragosa mentioned sans context and you'd think it was an arab."}, {"id": 36, "content": "They raided Africa and went as far as the new world just to collect timber, maybe they did pick up a few darker mercenaries from Spain or North Africa I don’t know or give a shit. However these shows did nothing to make an interesting character (I haven’t watched them but cmon) you could use the diversity thing as a tool for real historical education like a few moors or something I don’t know what they’d do it’d be nice if a show could teach me"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\nMisconception. Those women were Eastern Germanic rather than Asiatic."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nYpu could unironically easiñy cpntrive your way to show plenty of slavs and italians. Vikang diacoveries and conquests are more interesting than their ethnic make up anyway. (Although I find the prospect of muslim vikings intriguing.)"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>20\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Asturias"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nAt that point a visigoth was judt a spainiard."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>easiñy\n>Vikang\nBehold, the identity of the anti-nord poster."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>16\n>>unknown% of them clustering in england\n>WE WUZ EFFECTIVELY\nWho wuz? idgi"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nSpaniards arguably don't exist even now, let alone in the 800s. Even the biggest group - the Castilians - only emerged many centuries later."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>25\n>>31\nBritish celts are not celts. Irish are (and before great migrations during the middle ages triggered by normans connecting britain to the continent) were, pure bell beakers.\nWhat icelanders took as slaves and mixed with were bell beakers. Not \"celts\" nor modern irish people"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nI just like calling them vikangz because it gits. Nothing against them.\nI call mexicans mexikangz too."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nThe word \"Celt\" simply has to be understood to mean something else in the context of that time period and place, like \"Latin\" in the context of the Americas."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nAnglos wuz vikingz"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nThen some variant of nothern hispano-roman. Of germanic descent obviously but the difference between the goths and their subjects was dissapearing rapidly."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>25\n>>31\nfuck off celtlarper"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>45\nFits*"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nSo you've debunked me by proving my point? The chart literally shows that icelanders are the scandis that are the most closest to celts (Scots and irish). Keep coping. Iceland is a celto-germanic land."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\n>Anglos wuz vikingz\nfr fr no cap?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nGive it enough time and the germans would've been outcompeted bh inuit I bet. Without mainland help I mean."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nAnd I'm not shitposting I genuinely believe in a long enough timescale the inuit would have discovered iceland and displaced the norse dirt people."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nInuits were weak. They had no fighting prowess or the spirit of a warrior."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nThey wiped out the tunit and the only thing preventing from enacting total injun death was population size. They were (and are) ciolent as fuck. A battle against the isolated and poor islanders would be a fair fight and with some inventiveness maybe one they'd win."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\nCelts never existed"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nViolent?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nYes, myself, you sausage fingered faggot."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">both are first world industrialized wealthy countries with access to all of modernity\n>Italy remains, somewhat, Catholic and the Church retains a strong presence in national culture and identity\n>Scandinavians all become almost 90% atheist, Christianity is outright mocked and rejected as \"foreign\" despite zealous Lutheranism having been their standard for 300 years\nWhat gives? Im genuinely fascinated by this social phenomenon. Why don't Italians reject Christianity as being an inherent aspect of their culture, but northern Euros outright dislike what was the faith of their great grandparents?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "protestantism developed a culture of challenging existing religion, catholicism didn't"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nchristianity is completely dead in italy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nChristianity is only in the south. The average northern Italian is either prot or atheist but the southern Italian attends church service at least 13 times per day"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Religiousness seems to spiral the wealthier and more educated you are.\n\nBig exceptions in my mind are the mormons"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nto be fair anon the pope literally lives in their peninsula. There are towns with 3000 people in Italy with fuck huge cathedrals. It's hard to not be aware of the catholic church in these circumstances. Meanwhile what actual presence has Lutheranism had since the 1600s? Fucking nothing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's because Lutheranism was a German sect whereas the Catholic Church is universal. Lutheranism is inherently pro-Germany, the Church is pro-Christ. Protestantism is only a few hundred years old, it played no major role in the history of Nords. Italy was one Roman under the Roman Church."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>The average northern Italian is either prot or atheist\nNever heard of Protestant Lombards."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nProbably don't exist but if they do it's someone in alto adyge or the Aosta valley."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>, it played no major role in the history of Nords\nLiterally all of modern Scandinavian History until like 1950 occured when they were Lutheran.\nIt's also not really a big jump from Germany to Scandinavia lol, the languages are very VERY easy to learn for each other and most Swedish kings spoke German fluently"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Because Catholicism is the true church and protestantism is a heresy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthink it has more to do with the fact the catholic churches main HQ is in Italy ever since it was officially founded"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>modern\n>history"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\nchristianity is completely dead in south italy"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nThe bottom looks more noble"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItaly is sort of favela thuggish culturally + the Vatican is literrally inside. Compare with spain instead and you notice more or less the same pattern. Spaniards are atheists if not militant anti-christians nowadays. Particullary women."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had reasons"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nYou do know that \"modern era\" generally refers to the 1600s onwards, right"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Christianity in Northern Europe is just an instrument of the state for cultural control. From the early 1900s on there was a period of transition in which Lutheranism was replaced by some vague form of liberal progressivism that was later supplemented by multiculturalism, but Scandinavians remain as obedient and robodic as ever, which is particularly clear in the case of Sweden at least until recently."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThey were cool when they did eugenics."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it a grave sin to make your wife wear clothes like this in public because it pleases you? I'm asking in terms of Christianity\n\nI know it's not a sin to make her wear these clothes at home. But I feel nothing if she wears them at home."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes you degenerate coombrain"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Is making other men want to fuck your girl cuckoldry or chadery?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThere's no point in these clothes at home. They'll just come off in like 5 minutes anyway. Outside I can't take them off so I would get to see her in them for a long time which would be good.\n\n>>3\nI'm not really thinking of others. I think I get turned on when she's just doing normal stuff while wearing them"}, {"id": 5, "content": "No, actually if you truly fear god u must do it.\nAfter all if you dont feel constantly aroused by your wife u will not make decent sex with her and according to Saint Peter\nGod will be mad at you and he will not listen to your prayers\nSo no sex = no forgiveness"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompany I work for did a whole house remodel for a couple that had just moved into the state half a year ago. The woman dressed not unlike this around us all the time for the two months. Whether you let or make them, well it couldn't be me brother."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes it is because you are causing others to sin. And that is a very bad one."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHow am I causing others to sin?\n\n>>5\nThat sounds good to me"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>causing others to sin.\n\nDont understand the basic doctrine of sin"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>How am I causing others to sin?\nHaving your wife wear immodest clothes so others lust after her."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you get a wife who both looks good in those clothes and is willing to wear them in public?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nit's alpha behavior because you treat her like your pet/object"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI dunno it's tough."}, {"id": 14, "content": "This is pretty hot if you make your partner do this but is it a sin if there's no external intentions?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nLMFAO"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nThis is more tame of course."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsk your priest"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nShe cuter here"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Only a cuckold allows her to dress like that in public, instead of exclusively around you"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni know a guy that did that and is a tranny now."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>is it a grave sin\nNot grave but it's against the general principles of modesty and prudery, and in general a sin of vanity and mildly scandalous in nature (inducing lust in other men).\nAnyways I think it's an error if Christians get overtly obsessed over this shit. Grave sins are whole another breed and to get disproportionately affected by these minor sins put Christians in a bad light."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall women are whores"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\n>>unknown\n>hot girl\nlol\n>>1 (OP)\nTry not to be a coomer but if you are a coomer and can't help it keep it to yourself."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nWhat did he do?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nNo, it is a grave sin.\n\n27 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery.\n28 But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.\n\nJesus is saying here that adultery of the heart is internally morally equivalent (having the same effect on the soul) as adultery committed in reality, and by allowing your wife to dress like a slut in public you are leading other men into this grave sin, thus gravely sinning yourself."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>8\n>How am I causing others to sin?\n\"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife\" is literally right there in the Ten Commandments, anon.\n\nYou are actively trying to get other men to covet your wife, so you're encouraging sin."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiteral cuck."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>equivalent (having the same effect on the soul) as adultery committed in reality\nNo it's not. He said \"in her heart\", and not to detract the fact it is indeed a sin and one should ask forgiveness but sins range in severity. A carnal adultery is still way more severe than the thought.\n>by allowing your wife\nif you live under a legislation where you can't impose a dress code on your wife, you reproached her and she continues to do it it's on her."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nAbsolutely no cucking"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly is you don't let her have sex with random men afterward"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIs public sex forbidden?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>12\nYea you’re totally alpha when your skimpy clothed girl eye fucks me"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nBut you don't get to touch"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is it a grave sin...\nNot only that, but it's against basic common sense, be it Christian or heathen. What the hell is wrong with you cumbrains?!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nHow is it against basic common sense?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you ever think about what bygone historical periods were \"like?\" We can pin down so much detail with archaeology and history, we know all these facts, but what were people LIKE. I feel like historians rarely talk about this directly, at most their personal \"feel\" for it just comes out indirectly in their writing. On the other hand, historical fiction writers have to have a \"feel\" for what it was \"like,\" because they're not just describing details, they're making the whole setting come to life. But most of the time they do this by making the people \"basically like us, but a little different\" (if that makes sense).\n\nIt seems like historians default to that perspective a lot too. They make the reasonable assumption that Old Kingdom Egyptians were just ordinary people too, like us, with similar issues like work and family problems. Like we can see in the Heqanakht papyri, everyday mundane stuff that we can identify with.\n\nBut I can never get over how different the ancients seem in spite of this. Sure they were similar in a lot of surface ways, they're human. But what if they really did, for example, go around talking and thinking \"like\" the way they do in the official records and narratives we have? What if people in the Bronze Age had a fundamentally different consciousness, like some kind of Sapir-Whorf type of thing, but even deeper than that?\n\nSometimes I get flashes of almost feeling like I can directly access what a past era was \"like\" in this subtle way, but I can never hold onto them."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Thats a interesting notion OP. Its unfortunately something we will never experience because it is a 'feeling' you get when you're in a place and space. You can extensively research something but until you physically experience it you will never get that feel.\n\nI personally feel any ancient society would have a vastly different feeling to ours. Their lifestyle and points of reference are so far removed from ours it would be unrecognisable apart from human essentials like eating."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We can pin down so much detail with archaeology and history, we know all these facts\nLmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were like this\n>strong violent men got pussy and respect in their local communities\n>weak men like you got bullied or killed and got crumbs of pussy\nIf you want more info about past societies let me know"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIliad was written because some noblemen or basileis or wathever wanted the figure of the aristocracy and its values to be depicted for posterity (the oral story is older) so you could argue greek best men and heroes were basically sadistic uncontrolled infant-minded giga-chads"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThat's what Tuchman says about them and about medieval Normans too"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen there is EaNasir and his bad copper..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Its unfortunately something we will never experience because it is a 'feeling' you get when you're in a place and space.\nYou can. Just interact with people from different culture. Interacting with Eskimos, nomadic Mongolians, untouched Amazon tribes or Muslims probably wouldn't feel so different to compared to their counterparts in both behavior and mentality"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What causes this? Why are the Welsh so dead set on speaking their native tongue while other Celtic regions mostly speak English? It seems like it would be the other way around seeing as they've been under English occupation longer."}, {"id": 2, "content": "welshmen are based. anyway look at that percentage, that's all hicks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nironically its the welsh's early capitulation to the english that created the conditions for their language to be preserved the way it has been. both scotland and ireland historically were much more rebellious than wales, which was fully conquered by the middle of the 12th century, and england as a result sent way more of their settlers to their lands to both create a base of english support there and to quell their rebelliousness. wales was generally left alone for much of its history, unlike scotland or ireland which were host to numerous wars with the english over the years. that combined with the fact that during the dal riata and anglo saxon period the brythonic speaking celts in scotland and england were driven into wales, thus making it a very densely populated welsh speaking area made it fertile ground for the preservation of their ancient tounge."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Welshmen"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey speak it in Patagonia... they even celebrate Eisteddfodd or however it's spelled. Mostly in small towns tho."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nits always a riot when a Patagonian visits wales and speaks their own version of the language. its different but still intelligible, like a patois"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntounge and the welsh identity because unlike scots and irish they didnt chimp out every 25/50 years with indipendence ambitions. So It became a minority language spontaneously as more and more Welsh willingly switched to english for social elevation"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThat's fascinating. About a decade ago, Chubut Province made Welsh an official language and there's a push to preserve it. I hope they keep their language."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nwell argentina is in good hands because other than hebrew welsh is the example for a successful language revival. welsh has increased as a language in terms of numbers year on year for decades. in terms of percentage of the population not as much, but wales gets a lot of english pensioners and migrants which dilutes their numbers and explains that specific statistic. still, its promising stuff"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Welsh are Germanic, not Celtic. Especially southern Wales/Welsh Lallands is Anglo"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Welsh"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWhy'd you use the Scots word for lowlands?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nBecause his cuck country is forced to revive a dead language (Scottish Gaelic) in attempts to grasp at identity, as opposed to just accepting Scots as the new Scottish norm."}, {"id": 14, "content": "I hate when languages get extinct"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nInteresting stuff... appreciate the info. Cheers."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWelsh is the only one of these languages which will survive and thats because people speak it for reasons which aren't just simple spite of the English"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\ndont mention it fren"}, {"id": 18, "content": "https://youtu.be/h_sTCoUQ534 [Embed]\nThank SpongeBob. Srsly, the Welsh have done a good job of preserving trad culture while integrating modern media."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWelsh were conquered fairly early and the Englsh gave them a hell of a lot more respect than they did to the Irish or Scots. The king who conquered the Welsh named his son to be \"Prince of Wales\" as a sign of respect. Also as the Welsh didn't constantly rebel like the Irish, they felt no need to constantly create laws to curb Welsh culture and langauge."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThe Welsh were never conquered, they were just ignored until their Royal Line unified the two nations and the Welsh never attempted a separation after the unification.\nWales was notoriously independent into the high middle ages with the Marcher Lords in a constant vigil against the Welsh tribes.\n\nWales is a small country, very tiny, but there are more castles in Wales than in any other country, the reason being the Norman/Anglo-Normans could not go more than 2 miles without being stomped on by Welsh tribals wielding stone tipped spears and clubs.\nThe Welsh BVLLs were too strong to fully subdue and so the castles became necessary as the Welsh were never skilled at siegefare.\nThe Romans famously said in their dealings with the Silurae they were the only barbarians who defeat a Legion head on and also the only barbarians who would become demoralized by a chest high wall."}, {"id": 21, "content": "English is a native language of Scotland\nIf it isn't then the majority of England don't speak their native language either as they're all also using a descendent of the West Saxon dialect and not Northumbrian/Mercian etc\nIreland is basically just one city, Dublin... and that city has been English speaking for 800 years"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>The Welsh were never conquered, they were just ignored until their Royal Line unified the two nations and the Welsh never attempted a separation after the unification.\nHoly cope. Edward I conquered the entirety of Wales. Including Gwynedd. After Llywelyn ap Gruffudd died there was no hope for the Welsh to resist.\nYes even with all the attacks on the Normans, the Welsh still lost in the end. There is a reason why the English CONQUEST of Wales is dubbed as a CONQUEST."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nHe isn't from Scotland little autist"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nceltlarper back at it again\nplease stop pretending you belong to an ancient people that never existed. stop saving pictures of rugby players to your computer"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nLanguage isn’t ethnicity.\nThe Scottish are Celtic.\nThey speak English so they can insult the Mongrel dogs in the only intelligible the average Germanic understands, otherwise they’d have to get their hounds to translate humanspeak into base Germanic.\n>>22\nNope. He established the marcher lords before being cucked to death by Celts.\nThe Marcher lords existed because the English could not subdue the Welsh.\nIf the Welsh were subdued, they wouldn’t require a perpetual garrison of tens of thousands of men and hundreds of Castles.\nWales was more heavily guarded than England itself kek.\n>conquest\nIt’s called a conquest because there is no other term for 1000 year military occupation.\nBut the Welshman = unconquerable.\nWales only ended the occupation with the Tudors, a Welsh dynasty that lorded over England and set the stage for the English Civil War.\nA Welsh Celt has been on the throne of England more recently than any Anglo Saxon.\n>>24\nWhoever it was living along the Atlantic coast who didn’t speak Germanic, does not cluster with Germanics, and whom Germanic men referred to as “foreigner” and “master”, that is who I am, the great spirit of the West who will push the Germanimals back into Asia."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n\"\"\"\"celts\"\"\" are genetically germanic\nYou are a pathetic homosexual LARPer"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">19%\n>dead set\nI should add the 2021 census has the numbers down to 538,000 speaks (17.8% IIRC)\nif you're asking why it relatively speaking is in better condition compared to Gaelic I would say it's because Wales from the 1500s on was remarkably free of unrest, especially on the scale that the Scots and Irish would have towards the English crown. In contrast to Scotland where episcopacy proved so controversial or the Irish loyalty to Rome, Anglicanism was the majority religion from its propagation into the mid 18th century, and by the time the nonconformist movement exploded in Wales in the mid 18th to 19th century it coincided with an increased willingness to tolerate nonconformism/catholicism.\nSimilarly there's no events spurring emigration a la the Great Famine/the Acts of Settlement and Plantations, the Highland Clearances, the retributions post Jacobite Risings etc.\nMass education and the prestige of English were devastating to Welsh just as they were to the others, but compared to the others it had a stronger foundation that has meant a slower decline. nonetheless for all the modern state support I expect it to slowly decline into irrelevancy beyond the diehards."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nNot guy but what am I? Ancestry is all Welsh but have basically black hair, very dark eyes, dark defined eyebrows/dark long eyelashes, small nose, etc. Get told a lot I could pass for Spanish or Italian. I'm what, a representative of some neolithic farmer phenotype?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok let’s settle this one and for all. Was the American civil war about slavery?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nState's rights included right to slavery. If it wasn't slavery, there probably would've been some other issue in the far future similar to it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe South left the union because it felt it no longer had the representation at the national level to prevent slavery from being abolished. The primary legal question at the heart of the war was whether states have the right to unilaterally seceded from the union. If you answer yes, then even if you don't like why the South left, they were free to leave if they so chose too. If you answered no, then the federal government had every right in using force to preserve the Union."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmericans are bloodlust sadists and they cover it with a superhero larp. They will always claim to fight to protect someone else. For the childrens. The blacks. The oppresed incubator curds. They think if they smear their opponent first then they can just kill them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n*would not continue to have at some point in the future\nThey certainly had the legislative power before the war broke out, they just saw the writing on the wall and decided it was unacceptable."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo summarize, yes. Particularly slavery in the western territories. This really isn’t even debated that much in academia anymore, because the evidence is pretty overwhelming. Of course you have your guys like dilorenzo who I unironically think writes what he does because he knows it’s an easy paycheck. And your libertarians who want to make everything about taxes, and your hair splitters who want to say that secession caused the war, not slavery. Which is like arguing the Titanic sunk because it had a hole in it, not because it hit an iceberg.\n\n>>2\nThe South never gave a fuck about states until the shoe was on the other foot. It’s just some retarded shit confederate leaders said after the war to appear less like assholes to the rest of the world."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyay\n>>5\nnay"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, it was about the JEW."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nThe South had no issue shitting on the rights of the northern states with the Fugitive Slave Act. They didn't give a fuck about states' rights, what mattered to them was maintaining their power within Congress."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was one of the reasons, yes"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWars are about power every other \"reason\" is just a tool"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nBut the south started the war when they attacked Fort Sumter."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nYes.\nLook at the Congressional debates for literally 3 decades leading up to the war. Slavery was on everyone's mind and the North wanted it gone."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>>1 (OP)\nmeant to cite here bc I deleted a different reply to that other anon"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes.\n>Lincoln runs as an anti-slavery Republican platform\n>Republicans aren't contesting the constitutionality of slavery, but it is immoral/economically inefficient and should be abolished via amendment or something\n>Republicans don't want any more territorial expansion of slavery in new states\n>Republicans will veto any new states that have slaves\n>Basically, no more new states, no new electoral votes\n>Southern population is lagging behind Northern States even with 3/5ths Compromise\n>Lincoln won 1860 election without a single Southern vote, the first time that's happened\n>No new states means EC map is not changing, ever, since the Northern Repubs won't admit any new states\n>Southerners shitting themselves. They know their time of presidential dominance in politics is at an end (and without the President, no Justices in the Supreme Court), the Northern states will continue to grow both economically and population-wise (increasing the House of Reps), and eventually they will reach a point where they can abolish slavery outright\n>Hasn't happened yet, but the writing is on the wall\n>South Caroline secedes 4 months before Lincoln is even inaugurated\n>7 states in total secede before Lincoln is even officially president, and already they're bitching Lincoln's tyranny\n>Tariff of Abominations is passed after all the Confederates States leave and can't vote against it\n>State's Rights argument is shit because the Southern States want the Northern States to respect their slaves and return fugitive runaways\nEverything else about tariffs or State's Rights is just window dressing for the fact Southerners chimped out over the possibility that 20-50 years down the line slavery is over."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSecession for South Carolina was over slavery, for the rest of the states it was over the Federal Response to South Carolina. The reason this distinction is important is that the situation could have been managed if there was a better response to South Carolina. That same state had already quasi-seceded in the nullification crisis so it was certainly possible to diffuse the situation."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoor horsies. What did they ever do to deserve this?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nLincoln cornered and forced South to attack by resupplying the fort."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Short answer: Yes\nLong answer: No\n\nHope it helps."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Anon.\nYou think jews are subverting our societies.\nBut who is subverting the jews?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes and it was inevitable not because of slavery itself, but because the American North and South have always been separated spheres of cultural and political life. Eventually one was going to impose its will on the other and it just so happens that the men in the South with enough money to fund a war were slave owners and sparse industrialists. The war could have been over anything at any point but they chose to fight over slavery."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nTroops from the North had also had been being sent on the Star of the West oceanliner to reinforce the fort which had been fired upon to get it to return so this was not the first time resupply had been attempted and the last time it has been attempted there was more troops on the ship so there was good reason to think any further resupply missions would be brining more troops in."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nJews have their own ultra-Jews who undermine the state of israel by refusing to pay taxes, work, or be conscripted into the army. The most antisemitic things I have ever heard said have been by other Jews in Israel in regards to them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, but it was a very clear distinction between north and south and served as a catalyst due to its polarizing nature.\n>>14\nIf they wanted it gone, why didnt they abolish it?\n>>10\n>NOOOOO YOU CANT SEND THE POLICE TO RECOVER PROPERTY IN MY STATE ITS MY RIGHT TO DENY YOU YOUR PROPERTY\nStop, its not a \"states right\" to have slave-police cross le lines.\nSoutherners had their independence trampled by people who claimed to be liberators.\n>they didnt care about State's Rights\nwrong, they cared about State's Rights, the fact of the matter is they cared about State's Rights and sought to protect their own.\nhaving proto-Repossession agents is not violating the independence of another state in the way occupying them with an army is.\n>>7\n>less assholes\nhey, mutt, the world over LOVEs the Confederacy and NO ONE wants africans in their country.\nget fucked you broccoli haired mongrel subhuman Americuck."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nLincoln isnt anti slavery as much as he is pro industrialization and developing agricultural sectors.\nThey also put forth the Corwin Amendment and the South was inconsolable, it wasnt about slavery.\nAlso if the war ended at Manassas, slavery doesnt end.\n\nYouve got a real problem explaining how it was about slavery if the war ended in 1861-2 and slavery doesnt end but the South is re-annexed."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\nI think where the inaccuracy lies is the subtle and pervasive yet extremely obnoxious take that yanks were some great do gooding liberators."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.“\nSo was the Vice President of the Confederacy lying then??"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\nThat's like saying if I hang out on your porch with a gun after you told me to fuck off that you'd be in the wrong for making me stop."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nExcept the government owned the porch. Fort sumpter was federal land. That’s like the Dutch attacking Belgium because of the Belgian exclaves are ‘in their land’"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIt is Federal Government OWNED land in the state of South Carolina, but that doesn't mean it is some special district controlled by the Federal government. They offered to buy all federal land at market rates to resolve any issue."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThat doesn’t even matter because by that point the South dozens of fort unilaterally, looted arsenals, seized ships, and looted treasuries"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>Give us your land for $5 or we’ll shoot you\nYeah that seems fair and sane diplomacy"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\nCongrats on the dumbest take in the thread"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>9\nWhich Jew? Ashkenaz supported North, Sepharad the South.\nSilly goy, he is like a little dog, he has no choice but between Rothshteyn or Cardozo"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavery was the inciting incident but something else would have almost certainly set off the war if that didn't."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>13\n>Why didn’t South Carolina allow the country it just succeeded to keep a fort on a major waterway\n\nI don’t know how anyone can continue to defend Fort Sumter after learning it three states deep into the Confederacy. Whether you prefer the USA or CSA it is pretty obvious that maintaining a Union garrison there was provoking a response."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>26\n>Corwin Amendmen\nDumbest counter argument. The amendment would only prevent Congress from interfering in slavery in any state. It still left the question of slavery up to the individual states. As far as both sides were concerned, slavery was already Constitutional. The question was about its expansion in new states and the territories, which the Corwin amendment would again just leave up the states. No more Congress forcing free states to be slave states or vice versa, but this meant whoever had the larger voter population would win out (favors the Northern abolitionists). It was status quo, and the Confederates knew that keeping the status quo was a losing strategy in the long term.\n\nThe war was about slavery in the sense that the Confederates left because they were chimping out over the mere possibility of losing their slaves. The Union were initially fighting to prevent the South from unlawfully leaving the union. The South left because of the mere possibility that later down the line, slavery would be abolished. As the war went on, and once the quasi-legal Emancipation Proclaimation decidedly cast the Union as the anti-slavery side and diplomatically isolated the Confederacy, the 13th amendment got ratified to settle the slavery question.\n\nKeep coping that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, kiddo."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nAt the time South Carolina was the only state that was seceding so it was technically only one state deep, but the states in between got a little freaked out by Lincoln's call to do what was effectively march through them to put down South Carolina's rebellion. Not even Maryland which ultimately stayed in the Union was particularly thrilled about Pennsylvania militia marching through on their way to Washington DC, and that is arguably where the first deaths of the war took place as nobody died at Fort Sumter."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">Lincoln says everybody can keep their slaves just stop disobeying the federal government\n>Confederate states declare secession anyway\n>War starts\n>War continues for some time\n>Parts of Europe say maybe the confederacy isn't so bad\n>Lincoln says he intends to ban slavery effectively to punish the south for rebelling to keep Europe from attempting to justify interference for their own benefit\n\nnah not really imo"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nYou're leaving out the part where the South seceded after a abolitionist became president, and where they all cited slavery as the reason they were seceding.\n\nLincoln, his actions during the war show, wanted full abolition of slavery, but until the South seceded he lacked the political power to do so.\nWhat he could do, and said he was going to do, was limit the expansion of slavery into the territories. This would have disrupted the balance between slave and free states in the federal government, and probably would have led to a slow death of slavery as an institution as slave states lost political power in the federal government.\n\nSo no, the war was not about the immediate abolition of slavery. But for the South it was about protecting the future of slavery."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">Illustrious and Honorable President:\n>We have just received, with all suitable welcome, the persons sent by you to place in our hands your letter, dated 23d of September last. Not slight was the pleasure we experienced when we learned from these persons and the letter, with what feelings of joy and gratitude you were animated, illustrations and honorable President, as soon as you were informed of our letters to our venerable brothers, John Archbishop of New York and John Archbishop of New Orleans, dated the 18th of October of last year, and in which we have, with all our strength, excited and exhorted these venerable brothers that in their episcopal piety and solicitude they should endeavor, with the most ardent zeal, and in our name, to bring about the end of the fatal civil war which has broken out in those countries, in order that the American people may obtain peace and concord, and dwell charitably together. It is particularly agreeable to us to see that you, illustrious and honorable President, and your people, are animated with the same desires of peace and tranquility which we have in your letters inculcated upon our venerable brothers. May it please God at the same time to make the other peoples of America and their rulers, reflecting seriously how terrible is civil war, and what calamities it engenders, listen to the inspirations of a calmer spirit, and adopt resolutely the part of peace. As for us, we shall not cease to offer up the fervent prayers to God Almighty that He may pour out upon all the peoples of America the spirit of peace and charity, and that He will stop the great evils which afflict them. We, at the same time, beseech the God of mercy and pity to shed abroad upon you the light of His grace, and attach you to us by perfect friendship."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nTechnicaly it was, that was the trigger\nHowever, the southern states seceeded trough a more or less democratic process as per theyr constitutional rights and state sovrenty\nWhen Lincoln sent the union army against the south he also signed a document revoking state sovrenty within the union\nBut the confederate states were no longer in the union at that exact point\nTherefore, objectively, regardless of which political issues might have lead to the secession, to which all unionstates up untill then had a constitutional right to, all subsequent military actions by the union against the confederacy were, technicaly, objectively, acts of unilateral agression, and therefore, regardless of what whoever might think about the status of human rights within the confederacy at that time, all military actions of the confederate forces from that point onwards were purely conducted in a defensive war of indipendence\nThis is not a question of prefference or current year political oppinion, its just technicaly so"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>When Lincoln sent the union army against the south he also signed a document revoking state sovrenty within the union\nWhat document? Great spelling btw."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n\nWhich president is he reffering to?"}, {"id": 46, "content": "https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech\n\nWhen perfect quiet is restored, I shall proceed. I cannot speak so long as there is any noise or confusion. I shall take my time I feel quite prepared to spend the night with you if necessary. I very much regret that everyone who desires cannot hear what I have to say. Not that I have any display to make, or anything very entertaining to present, but such views as I have to give, I wish all, not only in this city, but in this State, and throughout our Confederate Republic, could hear, who have a desire to hear them.\n\nI was remarking that we are passing through one of the greatest revolutions in the annals of the world. Seven States have within the last three months thrown off an old government and formed a new. This revolution has been signally marked, up to this time, by the fact of its having been accomplished without the loss of a single drop of blood.\n\nThis new constitution. or form of government, constitutes the subject to which your attention will be partly invited. In reference to it, I make this first general remark: it amply secures all our ancient rights, franchises, and liberties. All the great principles of Magna Charta are retained in it. No citizen is deprived of life, liberty, or property, but by the judgment of his peers under the laws of the land. The great principle of religious liberty, which was the honor and pride of the old constitution, is still maintained and secured. All the essentials of the old constitution, which have endeared it to the hearts of the American people, have been preserved and perpetuated. Some changes have been made. Some of these I should have preferred not to have seen made; but other important changes do meet my cordial approbation. They form great improvements upon the old constitution. So, taking the whole new constitution, I have no hesitancy in giving it as my judgment that it is decidedly better than the old."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nAllow me briefly to allude to some of these improvements. The question of building up class interests, or fostering one branch of industry to the prejudice of another under the exercise of the revenue power, which gave us so much trouble under the old constitution, is put at rest forever under the new. We allow the imposition of no duty with a view of giving advantage to one class of persons, in any trade or business, over those of another. All, under our system, stand upon the same broad principles of perfect equality. Honest labor and enterprise are left free and unrestricted in whatever pursuit they may be engaged. This old thorn of the tariff, which was the cause of so much irritation in the old body politic, is removed forever from the new.\n\nAgain, the subject of internal improvements, under the power of Congress to regulate commerce, is put at rest under our system. The power, claimed by construction under the old constitution, was at least a doubtful one; it rested solely upon construction. We of the South, generally apart from considerations of constitutional principles, opposed its exercise upon grounds of its inexpediency and injustice. Notwithstanding this opposition, millions of money, from the common treasury had been drawn for such purposes. Our opposition sprang from no hostility to commerce, or to all necessary aids for facilitating it. With us it was simply a question upon whom the burden should fall. In Georgia, for instance, we have done as much for the cause of internal improvements as any other portion of the country, according to population and means."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nWe have stretched out lines of railroads from the seaboard to the mountains; dug down the hills, and filled up the valleys at a cost of not less than $25,000,000. All this was done to open an outlet for our products of the interior, and those to the west of us, to reach the marts of the world. No State was in greater need of such facilities than Georgia, but we did not ask that these works should be made by appropriations out of the common treasury. The cost of the grading, the superstructure, and the equipment of our roads was borne by those who had entered into the enterprise. Nay, more not only the cost of the iron no small item in the aggregate cost was borne in the same way, but we were compelled to pay into the common treasury several millions of dollars for the privilege of importing the iron, after the price was paid for it abroad. What justice was there in taking this money, which our people paid into the common treasury on the importation of our iron, and applying it to the improvement of rivers and harbors elsewhere? The true principle is to subject the commerce of every locality, to whatever burdens may be necessary to facilitate it. If Charleston harbor needs improvement, let the commerce of Charleston bear the burden. If the mouth of the Savannah river has to be cleared out, let the sea-going navigation which is benefited by it, bear the burden. So with the mouths of the Alabama and Mississippi river. Just as the products of the interior, our cotton, wheat, corn, and other articles, have to bear the necessary rates of freight over our railroads to reach the seas. This is again the broad principle of perfect equality and justice, and it is especially set forth and established in our new constitution."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nBut not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the \"rock upon which the old Union would split.\" He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the \"storm came and the wind blew.\""}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nOur new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nIf their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.\n\n\n>contemporary confederate politicians and policymakers say it was about slavery\n>unionist politicians and policymakers say it was about slavery\n>historians say it was about slavery\n>modern armchair cafeteria libertarian monkeys: IT WAS ABOUT MUH STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>43\n>all subsequent military actions by the union against the confederacy were, technicaly, objectively, acts of unilateral agression\nYep, fort Pickens and fort Sumter shouldn't have bullied those confederate cannonballs. They were just flying in the air peacefully."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>34\nCongrats on losing a war and crying about it for 160 years."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>38\n>it was about the expansion of slavery\nthis is not slavery vs abolition, so you’re wrong in making the case about slavery itself, you even admit both sides permit it.\n>it’s still about slavery\nNo it’s about Jeffersonian vs Hamiltonian modes of economy, newer states were allowed to choose and Hamiltonians wanted to remove the right to choose.\nIt was over political power and a clash in who would gain the power to asset their preferred political economy.\nIt is a case of diversity destroying the cohesion of a nation.\n>favor northern abolitionists\nAbolitionists were hated by the north and many were among the victims of northerners rioting.\nNo one actually cared about slavery itself, they’d outlaw agricultural estates if there were no slavery.\nI believe there was even the famous saying “Liberty and log cabins over slavery and palaces”.\nA very expansionist frontierist view, manifest destiny, vs the isolated insular more conservative agriculturist economy.\n\nIf it was over slavery, what slaves were the Yankees and Virginians fighting over in 1640s when they formally went to war for the first time?\n\nRight because it wasn’t over slavery. Your examination of the issue neglects everything before and after the civil war and neglects the Confederacy and the Union were genetically, culturally, and politically distinct entities which had been fighting for supremacy in England as far back as the Middle Ages.\n\nIf the civil war was over slavery, why are Northerners and Southerners still distinct and somewhat hostile in their dealings today?\n\nYou have done nothing to prove it was over slavery.\nIf the Union didn’t go to war with full abolition on the table at the outset, then you must at least asterisk your claim."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>41\nFor the South it was more about protecting their political rights, slavery was just a wedge issue, taxes and trade were at the time a long-standing issue, even to the point where SC was occupied by Northern troops pre-confederacy due to taxation and tariff violations. Everyone just leaves this out because lying by omission is trivially easy and slavery is tacit approval for archaic tribals being allowed to burn your cities or whatever they do when some felon gets justice."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nDon’t occupy a foreign country and you won’t get shot?\nAlso you are forgetting the Union within living memory invaded and murdered South Carolinians before the secession war kek"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>13\nNo the Yankees started the war when they denied the rightful claim of William, then continued the war when they began executing kings and nobles, then furthered the war when they tried to invade Virginia, then carried out political warfare when they seceded from England, then openly began attacking Southern native associates, then began tariffing and taxing States which has never agreed to be controlled in such fashion, then invaded South Carolina, then began an active occupation of South Carolina, finally Southerners in great clemency successfully captured and paroled the foreign garrison at Sumter."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>he doesn’t realize that historically northern and southern Democrats agreed on issues of trade and tariffs\n>he doesn’t realize that Democrats dominated government throughout antebellum because of this\n>he doesn’t realize the slavery was the single wedge issue that drove them apart\n\nPlease stop getting your history from libertarians, it just makes you look stupid"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was about staying civilized."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWasn't the yt's fault. Entirely economic factors, my good sir."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, adding some minor issues as well, but 80% of it was over slavery."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>53\nIt seems to me pretty obvious (as a non american) that the South wanted to keep their European culture, while the North wanted some bullshit reforms. (that eventually turned out to ruin absolutely everything)"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nThe South did not care for European culture. Slavery was outlawed in many parts of Europe by that point. Jefferson Davis tried to get the South recognized as its own political entity by several European powers to help legitimize his cause, but they all refused."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nYes. It was still European culture, unlike the North, which was novel."}, {"id": 65, "content": "State's rights to enslave Black folx."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>unknown\nyou're a pretty uneducated non-american because this was nothing about 'european culture', unless if you're referring to slavery as 'european culture', in that case ironically you have it flipped around since slavery was abolished peacefully in all of Europe in the several preceding decades. read some history and spend less time chiming in on it."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>56\nkek you're one disingenuous fucker. but then again it's impossible to be a lost causer with integrity."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nIt's the other way around. No European could feel at home in the plantation society of the South, but they could feel at home in the farmlands and towns of the North, hence why virtually all European immigrants sided with the North."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead McPherson\nConfederates themselves weren't shy to admit it, yes it was about slavery. They were unashamed white supremacists because they sincerely believed white supremacy was a scientific fact and that fighting to uphold that society was a worthy cause or else they'd all end up like Haiti. There was nothing to \"hide\", they didn't think racism was evil obviously, they thought it was as obvious and self evident as the fact that the sky is blue and the ocean is wet. For southerners, abolitionism was one step towards societal collapse and being murdered in their beds by jungle savages.\nFor crying out loud, why do you think Confederate fans just so happen to coincidentally be present in Websites where racism is accepted as normal (i.e here)? Why do Confederate flags just coincidentally happen to fly in segregationist rallies of the 1960s? Why do white supremacist groups just happen to fly the Army of Northern Virginia flag? It's not a coincidence, it's their cause and they believe in it sincerely."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\n>>68\nThe North would be the alien side. Nothing like that existed in Europe until it was forced upon it after WW1. The South would seem pretty standard."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nwhat's alien about the north, exactly? and at that, what's alien about the north that's NOT normal in the south?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nSlave plantations didn't exist in Europe you absolute retard"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>Nothing like that existed in Europe until it was forced upon it after WW1.\nYou don't know anything about Europe lol. Merchant republics were normal in Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, and even parts of Eastern Europe since the Medieval era. The North would have felt like home to a Dutchman, a Free City German, an Englishman, etc.\n>The South would seem pretty standard.\nThe South would \"seem standard\" if you were a Russian serf or a Sicilian peasant living with constant violence."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\n>The South would seem pretty standard.\n\"Tropical climate filled with voodoo practicing Africans and New World cash crop farms would feel pretty standard\"\nYeah right, feels just like Denmark down in Louisiana."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nDenmark? I was talking about India or Congo."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes.\n\nNo I will not argue, anyone who disagrees is wrong and a loser. You're welcome OP."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>71\n>>72\n>>73\n>>74\n>what's alien about the north, exactly?\nIt was just something completely new, with hardly anything in common. It was mostly empires, with nobility and clearly distincts classes. No Jack and Rosie would be possible on the Titanic. Nothing like liberal democracy existed."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\n>India and Congo are in Europe\n0/10 bait"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nAgain, have you never heard of Merchant republics?\nThe Burghers of the Hansa wouldn't see anything weird about the USA. Switzerland likewise was a Federal Democracy by this point.\nPost Revolution France needs no further explanation."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>Again, have you never heard of Merchant republics?\nNot an important part of anything. By the vast majority it was empires, nobility, manor houses and such, social classes and honor culture (duels are known to happen until the 1930s).\n>Post Revolution France needs no further explanation.\nIt lasted about ten years. Then came Napoleon and back to the empire.\nlScroll through the catalog if you find yet another thread which blames the WW1 on the German emperor."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\nThis was 19th century Europe, you know, the time period when the remnants of feudalism faded away, with the nobility giving way for a meritocratic bourgeoisie.\nAlso, the feudal system of Europe is still vastly different from the slave plantations of America."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">Chimp about someone that isn't even president yet an secede\n>Push more southern states to secede\n>The federal state takes literal months to actually do anything\n>They resupply their own fort in case they need to restore federal authority (as they are legally mandated to do)\n>Chimp out because how dare the government resupply their own forts after I uniraterally revolted and proclaimed independence, which is nowhere to be seen as allowed in he constitution\n>Attack said fort essentially declaring war against the federal state\n>\"Northern aggression\"\nNo wonder the KKK were Nazi sympathizers seeing how much up their ass self victims southerners are"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nWW1 was in the 20th century."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nthe confederates shelled fort Sumter before it was resupplied. also, the flotilla resupplying the fort only carried provisions for the troops, who were a couple weeks from starving after several months of siege."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>67\nI’m not a lost causer and I’m not disingenuous just because I disagree with you.\nI am pro Union. I am not a libertarian Jeffersonian I am a Nationalist Hamiltonian.\n\nI think everything against the South was justified as war of conquest and the supremacy of Empire. But it was by no means legal or ethical by your standards."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nyou're dumb as a rock, then."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>83\nAnd? The nobilitys dominance in society was already over at that point."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo economic sabotaging the south by getting rid of slavery."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>69\nSoutherners were less racist than Northerners or Mexicans the former who banned negroes in free soil states and the latter who also banned negroes and removed them from society largely.\nThe confederates list slavery as A reason not THE reason.\n>racism was evil\nOnly western Whites unironically believe this today.\nracism is just kin selection and slavery primitive economy available to aristocrats.\nSoutherners were correct, society has been greatly strained by non-Whites and they are literally in fear of their lives around them, not because non-Whites are particularly dangerous but through a convoluted terrorist movement like civil rights you’ve got many constraints on White communal defense.\n>why are confederates present where racism is normal\nIn-group preference is normal everywhere, go outside of the West friend.\n>White supremacist groups\nLooking at world history, is White supremacy an ideology or a description of modern history?\nScreech all you want.\nYou have no reason to believe human populations are perfect equals. Someone has to be on top and someone has to be on bottom, who is reigning king depends on the times, but Whites are never low tier nor are swarthy peoples ever high tier.\nNow seethe at the global North who dominates the global South."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>72\nThe Ottomans and Russians both had slave plantations.\nAnd European empires like Britain and France had slave plantations outside of Europe.\nThey were very familiar with pre-industrial economic modes related to or itself slavery."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nWhite supremacy is unheard of in european philosophies, its more insanity people just think euros are this race of power hungry lunatics who see themselves as a chosen higher race. All the wars in Europe show whites give no shits about white life."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>78\n>Europe didn’t have contact, rule over, or colonize India or the Congo\n-5/10\n>>86\nYet you can’t refute anything I said.\n>>87\nAs nobility had so much power they could enter into states of total war lol."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\n>Yet you can’t refute anything I said.\nwhat you said is retarded and disingenuous, it doesn't need refutation."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nEuropeans only have Whites as a point of reference so obviously they won’t see something like White supremacy, which requires non-Whites for a foil, in the same way Americans do.\nAlso Europeans were White supremacists they were by no means engaging in equal opportunism when colonizing foreign reaches.\n>people who go to war don’t care about human life\nCan you explain this at the individual level instead of making a sweeping generalization?\nYou are not taking into account the events, personalities, and times that functioned as catalysts and pre/antecedents to conflicts and you consider White Supremacy as some vague brotherhood of Whites. White supremacy is Whites conquering non-Whites and ruling through elite dominance."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\nCan you explain how it is?\nWhat in particular do you think is so detestable?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nHow about misconstruing an attack on federal property as \"don't occupy foreign countries and you won't get shot\"?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>89\nAmericans that think like this are so unhinged lmao. You seethe at black people in America but you also think it was natural to take them from the darkest African jungle and ship them on boats so that they could pick cotton on a different continent. You are deranged.\n\nSlavery was both evil, backwards and idiotic. It prevented industrialization and created all sorts of conflicts while enriching a small minority."}, {"id": 98, "content": "This meme will soon die out as the propaganda starts to wear thin in american schools"}, {"id": 99, "content": "I hate american civil threads. Its always obvious its gonna have 300+ posts and its gonna be an absolute shitshow."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>87\nMansions with dozens of servants were still normal until that point, and aristocracy with real power as well. Meritocracy has always been a myth."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nAmerican civil war*"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\nit's like watching a dog chasing its tail. same dumb niggers showing up to dig up a long-answered question and act as disingenuous as possible to force the \"it wasn't about slavery\" narrative when even a cursory examination of contemporary statements by southern policymakers can put it to rest."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe south didn't give a shit about states rights, they supported the suppression of states rights when it favored their slavery agenda as seen with the Fugitive Slave Act."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nalso moved troops to suppress west Virginian dissidence and counter-secessionism."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\nI didn't say that aristocrats didn't exist, I said that they weren't dominant."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>99\nthat's what happens when you have niggers"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>102\n>it wasn't about slavery\n\nIt indeed wasn't, faggot. Cope harder."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nAnd who was?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>97\n/pol/cels aren't known for their logic or rationale. They support the confederacy because their long-term thinking and decision-making doesn't exist, because it really begs the question what's gonna happen in the alternative timeline where the confederacy doesn't get raped by the north? what's the future of a backwards agricultural shithole that relies on enslaving people from the other side of the continent to furnish its labor force? how does this even play into the racist power dynamic when the south was the one shipping black people, and is who's directly responsible for the existence of the entirety of the black demographic in north America? Inevitably slavery will end, and the south will be an impoverished 3rd world shithole when that happens, and how it ends will probably be a violent uprising of all those slaves because their conditions will continue to get worse as the confederacy's backwards economy continues to go south, pun intended.\n\nAt that point you realize that the average confederate supporting rightist isn't really a person of logic or rationale. he just supports them to be opposite of the 'leftist' (or sane) position on the matter. it's not an original thought or a position born of logic, just a reaction to another existing one."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nNobody, Europe no longer had a ruling caste."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n>the continent\nthe planet*"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>107\n>For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that \"Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,\" and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.\n>On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.\n>The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.\n>We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved\nThey very clearly seceded over slavery, and if they seceded over slavery the civil war was about slavery. Stop being a retard."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>4\nThe Confederacy is one of the worst things ever to exist, on par with the Nazis. they got better than they deserved."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>109\n>blah blah blah I'm a commie\nwhy is it only commies that make these threads"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nthis is the apex of replies you will get from /pol/turds. no argument whatsoever, just canned, regurgitated insults, driving my point home better than I EVER could by providing a live specimen of the average alt rightist. It's truly incredible how this is the average mental caliber of people who think they're better than others."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nIronically I think the CSA would have ended up as a commie shithole. 10 blacks per white in some areas, it was gonna go the way of Zimbabwe with some commie insurrection backed by the Soviets."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\n>im a retarded faggot\nYes, that's why you post these threads"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nI didn't post this thread, just pointing out your backwards ideas would have created a state that wasn't industrialized, that was largely composed of illiterate rural blacks, and that would have become either a Latin American fascist or commie hellhole due to the vast class differences."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>you're backwards!\n>is a retarded fagot\nyou belong in these threads"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>114\nthe south lost"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nyou lost the genetic lottery"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\n>mouthbreather defending a failed state that lasted barely 4 years before being burned to the ground 170 years ago calling anyone a genetic failure\nhere's what losing the genetic lottery actually looks like, bro."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nPost hands"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>94\nWtf are you talking? Euros always had non white mortal enemies like Turks, Arabs, Persians etc"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>97\nAmericans? Fuck off you eurocucks are the first to enslave blacks"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>69\nThis makes the Confederates sound a lot better than they actually were. Making the civil war more complicated allows nuance and makes it easier to understand why people sides the ways that they did. I don't support any of the things the South supported because I prefer an industrialized economy. It is as simple as that. The confederate supporters congregate around racists only because racists are the only ones who will tolerate arguing over the other things. However if racism is the only thing the confederacy was about then confederate support would be universal among racists, but they aren't. A lot of racists think they were retarded. I'm sorry but my racist agenda doesn't involve polluting the continent with niggers."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ok let’s settle this one and for all. Was the American civil war about slavery?\nSlavery is what motivated states to secede but the actual war was over the question of whether secession was legal. The reason why this is the primary cause and not slavery is that Lincoln offered to keep slavery in exchange for ending the secession. Emancipation was a military tactic and post-hoc moral justification for the war rather than the motivating factor for the Union. Union soldiers were not fighting and dying motivated by expanding the rights of slaves, they were fighting and dying to preserve the unity of the country. Southern soldiers were not fighting and dying motivated by preserving the rights to own slaves, they were fighting and dying to preserve their country (Virginia, Carolinas, etc.) independence/sovereignty.\n\nIn order for the war to have been about slavery, you need to consider whether you really believe 1860s white men would have been willing to die so that a Black person could be free rather than picking cotton on a plantation. Virtually none of the people who fought would have considered that question worth dying over."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>84\nThe Star of the West, which had been fired upon before the Fort carried reinforcement troops. It was reasonable to assume further resupply missions would also be carrying troops."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>8\n>San Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna freed the Slaves\nAmericas civil war began in Texas, ended in Texas\n\nJuneteenth"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>84\n>tHe CoNfEdErAtEs ShElLeD fOrT sUmTeR\nAnd not a single person was killed and they all literally shook hands after it and went their separate ways"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>110\nThat just isn't true. Class absolutely mattered."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nYeah and? That doesn’t make it any less of an act of war"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nA war how? Do you have any idea how wars were declared back then?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>96\nNone of that is factually incorrect.\nSouth Carolina did not want foreign troops occupying their native region. Fort Sumter is a clear and present security concern for South Carolina if it is garrisoned with a military force which is hostile to SC.\nsimple as"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>124\nNo, people in France, Norway, Germany, and Scandinavia were not in a perpetual state of contact with Turks, Arabs, or Persians.\nThey rarely if ever had contact with them.\nIt is nowhere near Americans sharing a continent with a non-White people."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>131\nClass mattered, but that doesn't mean everyone in charge belonged to a certain class."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>127\nsoliders fight for a multitude of reasons. why soldiers choose to fight and the reason for the war don't have to be the same thing."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYep pretty much in all the complexity boiled down."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>137\nBut you would agree, that the mainstream modern interpretation of events is actually very much different from what those civil war soldiers and politicians conceived of themselves fighting for, right?\n\nBecause if you don't agree, you need to substantiate that White men from the 1860s were motivated to fight and die for the rights of Black slaves or the rights of a small minority of Confederate plantation owners to own those slaves.\n\nSince we know from opinion polling done in the 1850s, that an extremely small minority of Americans would have considered themselves abolitionists, it seems incredibly implausible to attempt to substantiate that idea."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>134\nNTA but South Carolina didn't have the power to declare itself a foreign entity nor did the federal government recognize it as such. Therefore, federal troops had the right to be there. That's like someone coming into your house and declaring that one of the rooms in it is now their private property."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes.\nAll states that declared independence stated specifically that it was 'the northern states hostility to slavery that makes the union illegitimate'"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>24\nNice argument anon, how about you back it up with a source?\nBecause we all know the jews are being infiltrated by the french"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>140\nevery state is a sovereign nation in 1860\n>federal government\ndoesn't exist in 1860\n>federal troops\nillegally raised mercenaries"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>142\nhttps://www.israelhayom.com/2023/04/17/government-moves-to-tackle-haredi-draft-conundrum/\nAll the stuff I said is obvious if you follow Israeli politics."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>25\n>NOOOOO YOU CANT SEND THE POLICE TO RECOVER PROPERTY IN MY STATE ITS MY RIGHT TO DENY YOU YOUR PROPERTY\nIt's not just about sending slave catchers north to capture runaway slaves, it's that the law demanded that Northern citizens cooperate in catching and turning over escaped slaves, even if this violated their own personal beliefs. This is not an argument, if you genuinely believe that it's okay for the government to force you to partake in the enforcement of human bondage, you don't give a shit about states' rights or personal freedom."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nFurthermore, the law was abused to essentially kidnap free blacks and press them into slavery, as they were denied a trial and habeaus corpus."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\n>>146\n>free blacks were kidnapped\nno such thing was a common occurrence.\nalso, who cares?\n\nIf someone gives you stolen property, and you refuse to hand it over, you are implicated in theft.\n>NOOOOO STOP MAKING ME COOPERATE IN A LEGAL ENDEAVOR\nlel\nso because you mutts didnt want to obey the police you decided to kill half a million of your own countrymen?\nWhat am I even saying, you kikes arent American in the slightest."}, {"id": 148, "content": "How long would a theoretical independent CSA have abolished slavery?"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>145\n>>146\nThat had the benefit of keeping blacks in the south though. Obviously you want to ban slavery but you also want to stop the migration of blacks into the North so that the South is forced to deal with their own problems. Blacks are a punishment for the Souths sins, the North ought not have to also be punished."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\nSlavery is still legal in some states as punishment for a crime I believe. That's the legal basis for forced prison labour."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>148\nLast western state to abolish slavery was Brazil in 1888, and I don't think the CSA would have been so completely out of touch that they would be the only ones to carry on the practice."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>146\n>the nigguhs were le kidnapped\nholy revisionism"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>148\n45 years perhaps. They had their own abolition movements and they were capable of living without slavery, in some places having previously outlawed slavery.\n>>150\nconscripted labor is not slavery, tyrone, how about you dont rob 15 stores in a night and you wont be made to pick up beer bottles and wings off the side of the road."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\n>conscripted labor is not slavery, tyrone, how about you dont rob 15 stores in a night and you wont be made to pick up beer bottles and wings off the side of the road.\nLegally it is slavery though"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nThere is no legal court which presides over the entirety of human existence, save for only a divine court which permits slavery."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\nOkay but in the United States of America, the amendment which prohibits slavery, allows an exception for slavery as a punishment for a crime, which is the legal in the United States of America basis for prisons to force prisoners to work."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, it was about the conflict between the state governments and the federal government. This conflict, with similar opposing sides, reproduced itself all throughout the Americas, even in countries in which slavery didn't exist like Argentina.\nThe question is always the same:\n>are we just an alliance of many separate states or are we a single State with internal subdivisions?"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>156\neveryone else has to work, why shouldn't prisoners"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>156\nworking is not slavery, nor is it even defined as slavery, that is not even how they justify it."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>158\n>>159\nIn some of these states, the obligation of the prisoners to work is non-consensual even if they are getting paid. In states where prisoners are not forced to work, whether the prisoner works in prison is up to them."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nnon-consent is not slavery"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'll never understand these threads, it's obvious to anybody that actually studied the Civil War that the South was the primary belligerent actor leading up to the war because Slavery (look at the fucking Knights of the Golden Circle and Filibuster Wars) and they bitch about how brutal the Union was in return. I guess the lesson here is \"start shit get hit\"?"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\nThe Southern planter aristocracy was the primary driver in the political crisis. Calhoun and the South Carolina planters tried to convince other states to secede whenever a crisis sprung up, since they needed a place to dump their excess slave population, and the ban on the international slave trade would make that impossible if SC was alone. What made John Brown a southern bogeyman was that he embodied the southern nightmare scenario: a Haiti-style slave revolt/race war. Just as SC needed other states to offload their excess slaves, the South as a whole needed new land to spread their growing slave population, especially as the soil back east was being depleted by King Cotton. Slavery, cotton, and territorial expansion were the three pillars of the southern economy. The other driving force behind the proslavery movement was the assumption that free states would always vote against the interests of slave states.\nThe Knights of the Golden Circle was a southern group advocating the annexation of former Spanish colonies (Cuba, Central America) to create more slave states and more plantations. Setting them aside, the Federal government had to dissuade southerners from joining privately funded filibustering expeditions to conquer Latin American countries. Leaving aside the speculation, the rationale for taking Texas and the Mexican Cession was southern settlement. That the land was unsuited for plantation farming, or that the locals didn’t want slavery imposed where it had been abolished, and the white settlers (mostly southerners, including California’s governor and all of its Congressmen) agreed with them, was a nasty shock.\nThe 1850 crisis and the resulting compromise happened because the South wanted to impose slavery over a region against the will of the people who lived there. The concept of popular sovereignty had to be invented for them to accept reality, and they had to go one step further by pushing through the Fugitive Slave Act."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\nThe Fugitive Slave Act merely radicalized New England, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin, when very few slaves would get that far. Free states that bordered slave states had people who owned land and slaves on the other side of the border, so naturally they had few problems with compliance. Northern defiance where it mattered least inflamed radicals in the Deep South, where escape was nearly impossible. This radicalization destroyed the Whig Party, which represented people from all parts of the country, and replaced it with the Republican Party, which only represented the values and interests of the free states (despite their first presidential candidate being southern-born John C. Fremont). This drove southern Whigs into the Democratic Party, while the moderate northern Whigs faded away.\nI should also mention that the southern assumption that the free states would always oppose them was never true until the 1850s, since slave owners living in free states and businessmen who worked with slave owners held considerable influence in the North. California, the epicenter of the 1850 crisis and home state of the 1856 Republican candidate, even voted consistently alongside the South until 1860.\nThe Kansas-Nebraska Act furthered the political/regional divide, as it repealed the Missouri Compromise and turned popular sovereignty into a tool to spread slavery. As radicals flooded Kansas, the violence was not exclusive to the abolitionists and Free Soilers, though John Brown’s exploits are the best known. The whole debacle was so polarizing that it made an incompetent asshole like James Buchanan, who was uninvolved in the debate over the law, into a viable presidential candidate, while creating an opening for Stephen Douglas to potentially lose his Senate seat."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>162\n>>163\n>>164\nBefore I get into the 1858 Senate race, I should talk about the Dred Scott Decision. The lower courts all broke established precedent, which would have granted Scott his freedom, because of the political atmosphere. Chief Justice Taney, quoted by some apologists in reference to Lincoln alleged tyranny, read a prepared statement throwing out the suit because the plaintiff is legally property, then overstepped the bounds of the case to declare that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate slavery in the territories. You can’t say that the southern push to expand slavery is a northern conspiracy when the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court outright said it.\nThe 1858 Senate race is less important for its effects on the South as it is for the Republican Party. Douglas as the incumbent, pushed the 1850 Compromise through Congress and was the architect of the Kansas-Nebraska Act. Lincoln was merely a prominent state level politician who served one term in the House. His electoral challenge brought him the national attention to grab the 1860 presidential nomination. Meanwhile, Douglas tried to shore up his antislavery credentials with the Freeport Doctrine, declaring that territories were free until they passed a law to legalize slavery, alienating potential southern supporters in his eventual presidential campaign in 1860.\nLincoln secured the Republican nomination against Fremont, tainted by his 1856 electoral defeat, and Seward, whose abolitionism and connection to Thurlow Weed’s political machine made him unelectable. Meanwhile the Democrats split over sectional lines and the moderate southern Whigs made one last gasp at relevancy with the Constitutional Union Party.\nTL;DR: the South wanted to spread slavery based on faulty political assumptions and their own unsustainable economy, the North tried to placate them, and Lincoln might have lost if the anti-Republican vote wasn’t split between three divisive candidates."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>161\nSection 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.\n\nSection 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.\n\nSo I suppose you can call it involuntary servitude rather than slavery, however my point remains the same, the de jure status quo ante bellum still exists in some parts of America."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>161\n>niggers doing something useful is slavery\nit's anudduh shoah"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, it was. Simple as."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>130\nstop playing paradox games, you low IQ zoomer filth."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>134\nForts Sumter and Pickens were federal property\nThe arsenal of gear in Harper's Ferry belonged to the federal army of the united states\n\nperiod, end of discussion. attacking those properties with the intent of inflicting bodily harm or destruction to property on them or the federal personnel guarding them is an act of unilateral aggression. go be flaming, cocksucking cuckfederate apologist somewhere else."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>23\n>>128\nnice cuckfederate revisionism, I can see why you backpaddled into \"t-they would've sent troops eventually\". minutes since an honest lost causer existed: 0"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>170\n>Federal property\nso what? They do not recognize federal authority, they see a security concern and they act on it as diplomatically as possible to the point where no one is even harmed during the negotiations.\n>act of unilateral aggression\nnot an act of war, acts of unilateral aggression are not a basis for declaring war as per US doctrine then and now lol.\nYou can call it a diplomatic crisis, but the Carolinians were not wrong and by American standards the Union was in the wrong."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\n>to the point where no one is even harmed during the negotiations\nwow, thanks Mr. South, you allowed me to negotiate my surrender terms after firing a few hundred cannonballs in my direction. How very southern chivalry of you!\n\n>not an act of war, acts of unilateral aggression are not a basis for declaring war as per US doctrine then and now lol.\nYeah, you're right. It's just rogue warmongering and sabre rattling.\n\nLet's talk about formal declarations of war, my uneducated loser causer friend; the KEKfederacy formally declared war on the united states on May 6th, this was a solid 3 weeks before the first union army marched in anger against rebels based in western Virginia (who were burning federal property there as well, and wrecking bridges, railroad lines, mills, telegram lines and other public infrastructure because the civilians there were not pro secession). So even by your fart-sniffing midwit argument the cuckfederates started it. Unsurprisingly you're unaware of this since you're an average lost causer libertarian midwit who deviates to contrarian positions in everything to feel special and smart. One day I hope you'll have the mental maturity of an adult and stop adopting ideas based on social standing and start believing them on substance and rationale instead."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStates rights which just means the states right to slavery. The founding fathers knew it and kicked that can down the road so they didn't have to deal with it."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>174\n*state's rights to secede\n*state's rights to representation"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>173\n>you fired in my direction, THIS MEANS WAR\nliterally no one but bronze age tribals think this way.\n>rogue\nnope\n>warmongering\nnope\n>saber rattling\nall shows of force fall under \"saber rattling\"\n>perjoratives\nthey dont suit you, you are too dull to insult your superior in any meaningful fashion.\n>The Confederacy were defending themselves from a hostile force through scorched earth\nand?\n>they started it\nThey did not have men occupying a foreign country lol.\nYou can not simply make yourself a security concern, for example like Germany not declaring war on England as they drove through England's allies, and expect there to be no reprisal, sow the wind reap the whirlwind right?\n>blah blah you are dumb\nyes yes very sophisticated and compelling.\nHowever, you have never once addressed the legitimacy of the CSA's security concerns, that being foreign occupiers garrisoned within their Country."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>176\n>>you fired in my direction, THIS MEANS WAR\n>literally no one but bronze age tribals think this way.\nif someone fired on me, yeah, this means war. this means that person is trying to hit me, and I'm completely within my rights to practice self defense.\n\nnot going to even bother reading past this line, because you are terminally retarded and there's no more point indulging an overgrown teenager. so long, lost causer."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\n>yeah this means war\nthis is why you dont understand, you have a child's grasp of politics and diplomacy.\n>im within my rights to invade a foreign country and practiced unrestricted warfare because they shot canons at a wall\nThis is simply laughable.\n>not going to bother addressing what I cant refute\nI know, you can not refute Sumter was a security concern and its not being summarily handed over lead to a diplomatic crisis."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">you have a child's grasp of politics and diplomacy\nWhat an astonishing lack of self awareness, then again - it is *impossible* to be a sane, adult cuckfederate apologist"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">I will declare over the smallest slight even though I was totally incorrigible\nRemember this mutt is utterly confounded by the fact China just turned the entire planet against him last month."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>68\n>>71\n>>73\nNormal people went to the South. The North was where social rejects criminals and other scum went, bred, and started their crusade agains evil civilization."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>89\n>The confederates list slavery as A reason not THE reason.\nNo, they list it as THE reason. Maybe not the only reason, but without slavery there would have been no real secession movement.\n>Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.\nI'd cite the speech directly but you disingenuous fucks already know exactly who said it and when."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>180\nThey did?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Anglo-Saxon Huscarl, Battle of Hastings, 1066"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Mounted Knight, Siege of Jerusalem, 1244"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">English Longbowman, Battle of Agincourt, 1415"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Yorkist Man-at-Arms, Battle of Bosworth Field, 1485"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why the dice?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCool stuff"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nTo farm groschen in the taverns obviously."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nbecause being a soldier has always meant extreme boredom for 99% of the time, since the dawn of age"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Very cool!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nGambesons are kino, I wish more DnD inspired settings would incorporate them"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Why is early medieval clothing for the Germanics so fucking neat? I love the tunic, trousers and legwrap+boot combo. Frankish hosen look so fucking homo."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The HQ of Sedevacantism is some dozen-member Waco-tier cult in a trailer park.\nOHNONO SEDEBROS I THOUGHT WE WERE A GLOBAL MOVEMENT"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Brother Dimond would kick your ass in a debate."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDude"}, {"id": 4, "content": "SOVL\nthis place has more of God's grace in it than a hundred post-Vatican II churches"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>seethe vacant tits\nare they just tranny mannabe masons?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Brother Hard Ass Diamonds will kick your ass forever to Hell, Ortho and Baptist bros."}, {"id": 7, "content": "What do they eat?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "It just makes me wonder why they don't affiliate with an actual practicing sede church, you know with priests and deacons and site built structures\n\nThere's even sede convents and schools in the US\nIt makes you wonder if they're schizos among schizos"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Ortho\nSatan's pupil brother \"hard as diamonds\" will rape him to death before that happens, sedefag."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nweird homoerotic fantasy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Ted a libertarian"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No Ted's just a really typical far-right reactionary"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOkay but what does right mean here?\nWhat does he have in common with fascism?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, cause libs usually approve of tech and industrialisation"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nFar-right reactionary means that he triggers any retard who believes in a mechanized utopia.\nThe first post is a practical example of assmad progressive."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nPretty much every contemporary political ideology is talking about how post-industrial society should be structured, he argued that it shouldn't exist. I don't think you'll have much luck with normal political labels. He was a reactionary in technical sense that he wanted to reverse a change in society, but the people we generally use that term for aren't interested in reversing the industrial revolution"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHe was for in theory what Pol Pot put into practice. I.e. a revolutionary Luddite"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was schizophrenic"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nit means he was a schizo retard"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nAt this point in the degeneration of civilisation 'LE RITE WANG!!!!!!' just means 'a person I disagree with and want to ignore without considering anything they're thinking/saying/doing'. It's another thought terminating cliche."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nNo because the only way to implement his ideas would be with a very strong government telling people what to do."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nDid you read the first few pages? The first thing he put in the thing is a critique of leftist psychology and activist"}, {"id": 13, "content": "also green politics and ecofascism would be some good things to read about\nyou need context for everything don’t be delusional"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "fat buu = mao\nsuper buu = stalin\nkid buu = pol pot"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Goku = Hitler\nVegeta = Mussolini\nPiccolo = Codreanu\nFrieza = Stalin\nCell = Jews\nChiaotzu = OP"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat about Franco?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBase Super Buu, Buutenks and Buuhan should be distinguished, as should Evil Buu. Babidi = German communist party?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nthis makes sense"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJewish"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nmakes a lot of sense, since cell is an amalgamation of most characters in dbz it cant represent a single person but instead a group"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Stalin is misunderstood. He did a great job of defending the communist system, and he also provided many important theoretical contributions to the revolution. In my eyes, he is an idealistic revolutionary who never lost his devotion to Marxism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christians have an ideological interest in pushing the dates of New Testament documents back as far as possible. But new research shows they've been fudging the numbers.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/hoDAj7_1MbA [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased on what proof ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Carrier\nHilarious it's him of all people accusing others of having an agenda"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot surprising. Heres a great video on the topic\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHOp-9yAbA [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": "OP is a faggot"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect.\n>>6\nAnd you're a retard."}, {"id": 8, "content": "I have reached Gnosis"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnti-christians have lowered themselves to trusting literal jews to own le christians"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is the guy that unironically claimed Jesus was gay."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYou don't have to \"trust\" anyone. Just look at paucity of evidence for a historical Jesus. There's jack shit. Just a dude who says he talked to a \"brother of the lord\" which could mean anything and a story about a magic Jew written half a century later that isn't even remotely believable."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>deflect and continue attacking\nFunny how you're such an antisemite when it suits you to attack THE cultural and moral pillar of europeans but then turn around and believe what a kike vermin says without a shadow of a doubt."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the purpose of self disembowlment when they get their head cut off moments later? Why is it considered suicide if another person is acting as executioner?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause its voluntary, idiot. The other person is just helping them its like assisted suicide"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapanese honor culture"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe beheader was supposed to be a trusted friend of the beheaded. They waited until the person appeared to be incapable of cutting further and then did the chop before they fell over or something. It made the whole thing feel cleaner. It was shameful to the person if you couldn’t get the decapitation right, so they’d really practice for it.\n\nThe act of seppuku typically wasn’t truly voluntary but was a way for a samurai to show they accepted death by their own hands rather than having to be killed by someone else. If they refused, they’d be executed anyway but in a less honorable way."}, {"id": 5, "content": "https://youtu.be/HvRP3BIwexU [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a mercy kill after the lethal blow has already been struck by the practioner through their resolve."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Europe progress past the medieval era in terms of science and technology, while the rest of the world sort of just stagnated?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncolonizing the Americas I guess, that continent has everything oil, animals, plants, rivers and gold, it doesn't get any better"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSpain and portugal stagnated still"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>oil,\nNot much more than lets say mena\n>animals\nNot more than south asia or africa. None domestic except llamas\n>plants\nThere is some good crops and stuff in america true.\n>rivers\nNot particullary good or bad\n>gold\nThis was relevant probably... but the parts of europe that more developed (england, france, germany) barely got any gold from Americas\n\nPlantations and cotton, vanilla, tobacco, other luxury stuff selling + potato and other crops may be the best exchange"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nSpain and Portugal don't have the power to exploit, lie and rob a whole continent and a race of people. jews, Anglos and the French do that, and they benefited the most from it, that's why they were always superior to Russia and Germany"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWell dose mena have plants or animals? Or dose south Asia have oil? The Americas basically has everything even if they are only superior in the things you mentioned like tobacco, cotton, sugar and other crops."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Well dose mena have plants or animals\nMENA is quite diverse climatically. Iran or the mesopotamian/levant area definitely do.\nSouth asia as well, pakistan has a good deal of oil, biodiversity, rivers, etc.\nSame with north india in general.\nI think most of it traces to specific plantation systems of certain goods for trade rather than america being resourceful for settlers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEurope is a heavily balkanized penninsula with easy access to the ocean and geography that allows states to form in relative isolation from eachother. This created a highly competitive enviornment ran by aristocrats who needed to defend their wealth. Only the ones with the most powerful militaries were able to defend it. The very concept of military intelligence arose from this enviornment. European powers like Britain realized having extensive knowledge of your enemies positions and infrastructure was key to winning wars. They then began commissioning agents to conduct research, gathering data and logging the local enviornments. This further developed into modern sciences and engineering."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>Spain and Portugal don't have the power to exploit, lie and rob a whole continent and a race of people\nlol, portugal traded the most slaves, had most plantation systems, had one of the last colonies in america to ban slavery, and exterminated natives fair and left\nSpain genocided a entire race and groomed the other half, put 50% in forced labour camps called encomiendas and haciendas where people had a bizarre mortality rate. Extingished the 38 million population of the inca empire and exploited it to death like it did with tainos sending them to work like dogs non stop with barely any payment for subsistence into silver mines, erradicated the aztec empire and stole insane ammount of gold that made it back to the peninsula.\nRaped, destroyed cultures, enslaved. The sole reason black slaves started arriving the Peru was that spain managed to decimate a 38M population so far they couldnt get more workforce for their mines, created oligarchic drug dealing feuds and broken states, everything with a colonial infrastructure meant to discriminate and create economic dependence to the extent modern natives still underrepresented in countries with 80% native populations in south america.\nThe whole religious indoctrination they started was because the pope gave them that condition after they exterminated tainos just to accumulate more political power and they needed to be fine because the pope granted lands.\n\nNot only spain is one of the most evil states to ever exist. They are also a fucking shame for anything. No scientists. No first world countries. No inventions"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Renaissence. Coupled with exploring the world. It's not so much the stuff you get from overseas like spices or tobacco but the knowledge you get of geography, navigation, astronomy, geology, natural sciences, anatomy of niggers and mexicans, etc and the impact of assimilating that you are not alone in Europe and all these fascinating strange brown, black and yellow new worlds are yours to take. That's the good stuff. You learn. It was the equivalent of building a quantum supercomputer. Input spices, input maximize profit by time of travelling and cost of feeding negros. What? Does not compute?. Someone invent advanced mathemathics pls? Thanks Leibniz and Newton. Now, where were we? Input indios, maximize gold, times galleon, compute hurricane season, gib solution, it works!.\n\nMeanwhile everybody else was in the medieval age or in the stone age watching the same shit every single fucking day. Input banan, solution monke. They unlearn."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Europa got out of the barbarian middle ages thanks to Italians. Greco Latin civilization has always been there by de facto no matter what they tell you."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuperior military tech due to prolonged warfare but also the invention of the printing press which kickstarted all the scientific movements that took place"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestern Europe didn't have to build their civilization around dealing with steppeniggers."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nThe british were literally irrelevant until the 1700s and the french were on the defensive with ottoman support until then lol"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>huns\n>avars\n>magyars\nAlso southeast asia was the most shielded region from them"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Constantinople collapsed, the west benefitted from the brain drain and exodus of intelligentsia from the eastern empire, and honestly Arabs have a lot to do with early chemistry while Rosicrucians were running around being goofy, but eventually they got their shit together"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Huns, Avars\nPretty much ancient history to most of Western Europe by the time of the renaissance\n\n>Magyars\nEastern European power\n\nThe SEAns had some great naval powers of their own, but they had the problem of not being in a prime position for colonization."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenetics, resulting in superior intelligence, and other personality traits.\nNext thread please."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou have to remember that the Muslim \"golden era\" was build on the backs of Christians whose lands they plundered, if the muslism didnt invade Europe we could be living on the moon right now."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPURELY SOCIOECONOMIC REASONS!"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Christianity"}, {"id": 22, "content": "luv me russians\nsimpel as"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically, wars were fought over skirts and trousers. Both were considered either manly or effeminate by opposing sides."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's dat nigga wearin"}, {"id": 3, "content": "imagine the smell"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlook hot"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat that nigga is wearing is a ceremonial version of what real chads used to wear.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbAKRffKsPs [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's exactly why the Greeks and Romans considered those who wore pants barbarians while the Germans and Celts themselves considered effeminate and that these are conquered/plundered from one or the other all this time from classical times to the late empire age Roman who had the superiority pants or skirts and knowing who was the winner of these there is no doubt that the pants belong to the society of the warriors of the gods / god and manhood in pure essence"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>gay revisionist /his/tory"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the Kingdom of Kush master electricity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are Frenchmen like this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHe's not French"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAlgeria is an integral and indivisible part of the fourth French Republic."}, {"id": 5, "content": "People here don't know him but he's extremely popular in France and French speaking Africa\nHe'll convert millions of negroes to We Wuz Kangz revisionism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nChud."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThat's not even an Algerian\nIt's explictly stated to be a nigger from the Congo"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe Congolese were pharaohs and shit"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\never heard of the baghdad battery? the tech would have been there long before the kush btw"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\na /sci/ bro made this btw\nhttps://odysee.com/@musicam-geometria-utebantur:6/pyramid-power-rap:4"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican Negro culture and its consequences."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nthat's a retarded meme invented to keep open a legal channel for nafris to get into France"}, {"id": 13, "content": "black people have no concept of the truth independent of what they might like to believe, they just make shit up with 0 cognitive dissonance"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\naren't severians known for their racism\nI remember I like one of them got really mad at one ethiopian soldier existing"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy would scientists bother getting outraged over some random nigger?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBecause millions listen to him"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do Atheists explain Our Lady of Guadalupe?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLady of Guadalupe is a divine image of the Virgin Mary, who appeared in 1531 at the base of an oak tree in the Mexican city of Guadalupe. Atheism does not explain Our Lady. This is a divine miracle."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Mass delusion?\nPower of suggestion?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust another embarrassing example of catholic fraud. If the church weren't promoting these gypsy-tier scams, it would be much more respectable."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>don't allow any experts to actually touch the painting and study the material, only let them take photos\n>ATHEISTS CAN'T EXPLAIN IT\nWow, what an epic miracle. It's just a picture."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nexplain how it is a fraud"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.\nWhat is more likely the laws of nature were suspended for a virgin birth. Or that a Jewish slut would tell a lie?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nBecause there is 0 empirical evidence for supernaturalism. It just gives people of low agency the illusion of control."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nthere are also 0 empirical evidence it's not supernatural and the weirdnesses of it are not explained. Like the most of the image doesn't show the use of pigments, how it hasn't decayed over the centuries etc."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Why does the creator of existence insist on only revealing himself in the most impotent ways?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou don't have to be an atheist to know that all of that is bullshit"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do cuckolics explain the supernatural events of other religions?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nbecause He hates the arrogant and the powerful, and he reveals Himself to the poor and the sick. If you'd read the Bible you would know this."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>because He hates the arrogant and the powerful, and he reveals Himself to the poor and the sick. If you'd read the Bible you would know this.\nHow convenient for you, more likely the illiterate and stupid. Just like the deluded bronze age inhabitants of Palestine.\nThe whole story is pathetic and contemptible, the idea that a human sacrifice of a guy who was supposed to be also god thousands of years ago absolves me of my sins is laughable and pathetic. Primitive Middle eastern scapegoating"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>a sodomite abomination kills the children of his faithful in cold blood on his own ground\n>manifests his image on a tomato in Guatemala\n>TRUST THE PLAN"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nI dunno, the most common paternal haplogroups today are of some warrior steppe niggers who were taller and stronger than anyone around them. Seems like back then he supported the strong."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Whoa you mean people make up stories about shit that didn't happen?\nDude if that story came from a Hindu you would dismiss it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nWe literally know who painted it, retard. It's not even the only painting from that time that hasn't decayed substantially, and the shit about the pigments is fake news."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nSeethe more future hell fuel\n>>16\n?\n>>18\nAnd who painted it, you refined genius?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nMarcos Cipac de Aquino"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSounds like BS.\n\n>Marcos Cipac de Aquino (June 4, 1517-1572) would have been a Nahuatl Indian and a painter from New Spain in the early years of the conquest of Mexico. According to Fray Francisco de Bustamante in one of his sermons, he referred to the miraculous image of the Virgin painted by \"Marcos the Indian\" without mentioning his last name. The same name \"Marcos Cipac de Aquino\" is not recorded in any document or writing from the colonial period (1521-1821). Bernal Díaz del Castillo mentions a \"Marcos de Aquino\", the indigenous chronicler Juan Bautista mentions a \"Marcos Cipac\" in his historical annals. Bustamante says \"Marcos\", and only he associates that mysterious Indian with the image of Guadalupe. It has not even been proven that \"Marcos de Aquino\" and \"Marcos Cipac\" are the same, and it has not been proven that he or any of them was the Indian to whom Bustamante was referring. On the other hand, Bustamante's sermon mentioning \"Marcos\" was known only in 1888. Before that year no one ever mentioned \"Marcos\" in relation to the Virgin of Guadalupe. Therefore, it is possible that the Indian Marcos did not exist as such"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nyeah thank you retard"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nSounds less like BS than the idea that a painting of Mary made in a contemporary style suddenly appeared in some colonial shithole as a miracle."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI don't give a shit about this debate, I'm not the guy you were arguing with, just pointing out I just googled the stuff you mentioned and it's total bullshit."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot an atheist but\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia?wprov=sfla1\nAlso, it is fact that the current painting WAS painted on the original image so we dont exactly know what original image looked like before the colouring and retouches.\nSo, weak arguement."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nlol"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nNumber of times Mary appeared in South America before the Catholic Church got there: 0"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nSame reason Jesus appears on toast, I guess."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>8\n>There's 0 exclusively naturalistic evidence for a supernatural event!"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>it's a christians engage in 4D sophistry instead of presenting evidence for their god episode"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>there cannot be any evidence for my belief that is better than \"it came to me in a dream\"\n>therefore \"it came to me in a dream\" is a totally legitimate argument\nlmao\nabsolute state"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nlol are you what, 14?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey'll say the whole thing was a hoax to get Mexican pagans to convert to Catholicism."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>>31\n>Makes an absurd demand\n>Doubles down when shown to be absurd\n\nAtheists are not to be taken seriously until they are at least going to be intellectually honest."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>provide me with proof I can verify\n>what an absurd demand!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>make up an absurd belief that can only be justified by \"it came to me in a dream\"\n>sperg out when people don't accept \"it came to me in a dream\" as valid evidence\nlmao I love you schizoposters\nnever take your meds, you marvelous retard"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nIsn't it dire that one of the greatest insults christians have is accusing their detractors of being immature as if children being able to see through their bullshit isn't a testament against their belief."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>10\nRevealing himself to the wrong people could make things worse like how the Israelites started worshipping a pagan diety thinking it was their God before Moses told them to stop or how some Christians abuse certain verses to excuse their unChristian lifestyle. God reveals himself to people who can understand him."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>God reveals himself to people who can understand him.\nLike the 3rd world and rustbelt methheads who see his face in toast. GG"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nyou clearly have a Reddit tier knowledge of Christianity since \"who are not like children can't enter the kingdom of heaven\" and you keep embarrassing yourself demanding scientific proof of what by definition is outside of scientific inquiry (not measurable, not repeatable, etc.)\nScience knowledge is a subset of knowledge that limits itself to investigate only what is materialistic and quantifiable, in order to pragmatically maximize its efficacy.\nApart from religion we live immersed in things that are not scientific: beauty, emotions, love, music, poetry, literature, psychology, and even mundane things like the design of your fucking iPhone or the plot of your shitty Netflix series.\nAttacking religion saying \"it's not scientific\" it's like attacking science saying \"it's not beautiful\"."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nhere the US protestant heretic with political extremism in his heart"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nDamn bro, still no evidence...."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">someone painted Mary on a piece of cloth and its suddenly a miracle\nLol"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nThe problem is Christianity's own perception of their god as personal, benevolent, and all loving with the well-being of humanity in mind which is completely contradictory when observing reality.\nOn the other hand, I can completely grasp the metaphysical, immaterial essence of say Wotan who expresses himself in artistic inspiration, passion, and reckless furry unconcerned with anything except the aesthetic of the act of self-sacrifice for a higher cause. Can you see why I would require evidence for the former and not the latter?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>Wotan\nstraight into the garbage bin\n>Can you see why I would require evidence for the former and not the latter?\nYes because you're such a spine chilling chud I will repel women for a month just to have talked to you\n>reckless furry\nFreudian slip I guess ahah"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n4/10"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwith a computer, obviously."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy would an omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god need people to travel around the world to spread his word"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>29\nThere's no naturalistic or non-naturalistic evidence, just free association, hypothesis formation, and survival of said hypothesis in the market for production of statements laundered of falsehoods.\n\nScience is just systematic elimination of error, bias, fraud, wishful thinking, and deceit. All supernaturalism is an attempt to preserve an illusion of control from those with insufficient agency to produce control in the absence of it. Abrahamism is just an obvious case that preys on the particularly gullible, like all pseudoscientific doctrines do, through baiting into moral hazard by false promise of freedom from natural, physical, and evolutionary laws of the universe (freedom from responsibility). Same as communism, wokeism, postmodernism, race-denialism. No difference. Heaven/post-scarcity/equality, all the same thing."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nTo give us the ultimate purpose."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>7\nThere's a lot of extraordinary evidence for the Tilma being authentic but even if you read all the studies you'd probably still dismiss it anyway.\n\n>>17\nCan you name one equivalent of the Tilma in Hinduism?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was the sign from God it was time to turn Mexico to the faith. He embraced them as his children."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>unknown\nSame reason the divine Jesus would appear to some foreskin mutilating, desert dwelling Semites I guess?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's simple, moar made up christcuck shit, like the whole religion, now go back to chocing on black peepo's feet"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>29\nIf the supernatural interacted with the natural world it should leave natural evidence."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts a painting that someone painted."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe's the goddess Tonanzin. Not an Unknowable Omni-God who \"everyone\" knows everything about.\nhttps://www.theyucatantimes.com/2021/12/tonantzin-the-deity-behind-our-lady-of-guadalupe/#,"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>2\n>It just appeared. Trust us goyim."}, {"id": 59, "content": "not 1 anon in this thread has thus far disproven it btw"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>51\n>Can you name one equivalent of the Tilma in Hinduism?\nIf a hindu said a magic elephant appeared 500 years ago you would dismiss it. You believe a magic Jewess appeared 500 years ago entirely because it reinforces your biases."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nWhat exactly are we supposed to disprove?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>8\nWhat about the fact it hasn't faded away when other works from the period have entirely faded away. Likewise why is there no pencil sketchings in it, paintings that complex would typically require an outline."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>18\nA painting on a canvas is different. This was in a piece of cloth."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>when other works from the period have entirely faded away\nAll of them or some of them?\n>Likewise why is there no pencil sketchings in it, paintings that complex would typically require an outline.\nWould they typically require an outline or is it inconceivable for a painting like that to have been done without an outline?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\nAgain, where's a Hindu version of an object that has already been scrutinized and studied by scientist and experts that they proport to be holy and has been has been mostly the same for some 500 years. You can keep saying ill deny it because I'm not Hindu but in reality I don't think there's a equivalent in Hinduism to the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe.\n\n\n>You believe a magic Jewess appeared 500 years ago entirely because it reinforces your biases.\nBecause an artifact from that visit is still around 500 years later and can be easily seen in Mexico City."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>56\nSure thing, bud, go ahead and prove that."}, {"id": 67, "content": "God is a shitty painter. A random faggot from deviantart could do a better job. Makes sense, though, the world he made is pretty shitty too."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>Neither the fabric (\"the support\") nor the image (together, \"the tilma\") has been analyzed using the full range of resources now available to museum conservators.\nzzz... give it to modern scientists maybe they will discover something interesting. maybe it has god's dna or something, lol."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this thread is still active\nPareidolia and a painter \"restoring\" painting is a big neat stuff huh?\nHere, have a \"Our Lady of Grilled Cheese\""}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fact that every Latin American country has its own \"patron virgin\" with some mythical miracle story proves it's all bullshit desu. In Argentina we have the \"Virgin of Lujan\" which is a statue of the Virgin with a \"miracle story\" according to which the cart transporting it would not move any further with the statue inside it, yet it would move again when the statue was not on board. According to the story they tried several times the same experiment, and the horses pulling the cart would refuse to move as long as the statue was on board. So they built the chapel there because apparently the Virgin had \"chosen\" that site.\n\nNow it's a pretty neat Neogothic style Cathedral built there. But it's all 16th century fairy tales."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can't"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>unknown\n>blood lusting demon-worshipping pagans\nrich coming from God-Eaters"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>65\nThe Japanese still has three sacred treasures.\nYou guys lost the Ark of the Covenant and everything in there"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>31\n>we cannot find any evidence to support our theories about space\n>i know, let's say that there is some king of strange unexplainable matter holding things together exactly in the way we say it is!\nTrusting science at this point is the same as \"it came to me in a dream\""}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nDark matter is consistent with gravitational lensing though. And it's not strange and unexplainable - it's probably basically the same thing as neutrinos except not moving at relativistic speeds."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nWell, you trust it on everithing else in life"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n\nWhy dont you go sacrifice more children at cern you stanist groomer"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nNot an argument, my little neurodivergent friend."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>73\n>You guys lost the Ark of the Covenant and everything in there\nWe didn't, I know it's theological but Christ is the 'embodiment' if you will, of the three things inside the ark, being the Staff of Aaron, the Ten Commandants, and the Mana from heaven, and the Virgin Mary being the Ark herself as she held Christ in her womb.\n\n>The Japanese still has three sacred treasures.\nCool, I'll check it out."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\n>you stanist groomer\nstan is love, stan is life."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do chuds exaggerate how bad the Talmud is? It's really no worse than the Quran, Bible, Rig Veda, Book of Mormon or Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTalmud says Jews marry 3 year olds."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's just polemics mainly.\n\nThe Talmud is not something you can really read through like the Bible or Quran. You actually need special training to really be able to read it let alone understand it which requires knowledge of Hebrew and Aramaic.\n\nIt's a compendium of different opinions from thousands of rabbis on Jewish oral law i.e. how to apply the Torah in daily life.\n\nThere are English translations available to read but that's such a far cry from the real Talmud. But the average Jew doesn't speak either Hebrew or Aramaic fluently so many do have the volumes of the Talmud in their native language. Vey few Jews ever read the entire thing. It takes seven years to complete it if you read just one page a day which is a practice many Hasidics do."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not even equivalent to any of those texts, it's just legal and theological discussion. It's more akin to if \"the Church Fathers\" and things like Aquinas and whatever were collected in a single comprehensive canon. Not like the Vedas, more like the Upanishads."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause a huge chunk of it is debates between rabbis and other thinkers where the different sides make their case and argue over it, so anti-semites can mine the text for quotes from the different arguements made and pass them off as what all Jewish people believe even if the person arguing that point lost the debate in the next passage."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nThis is all based and Europeans should adopt these attitudes."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I normally wouldnt give a shit about their schizo supremacist cult except for the fact that these people are the ones who act like they some moral pillars calling anyone who opposes them \"nazis\" and \"white supremacists.\" I imagine most people feel the same way. It isn't necessarily what is in it that Jews follow and believe, it is the fact that they hide these beliefs and put on a false front showing they are nefarious actors >>unknown.\n\nThe white supremes (kkk, neo nazis or w/e) tell you what they want and why, same with the nation of Islam and black panthers. I dont give a fuck about supremacist groups, they are fine to believe in whatever they want and live how they want as long as they arent fucking with anyone else. The Jews dont do this however now do they? They want to stand on their soapbox calling you a pedo while ass raping a prepubescent boys using their global media monopoly"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>schizo supremacist cult\nLol"}, {"id": 9, "content": "An easy full digitalisation of the Talmud is available here https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud to reference citations made by Stormchads. Many are genuinely real, but many are completely fabricated or just bizarrely rephrased, which is terrible practice and unnecessary. There are more than enough abhorrent statements and conclusions in the Talmud, there is no need to fabricate them."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>we were chosen by Top G\n>the rest of the people are basically cattle\n>also you can only join by blood\n>not schizo\n>not supremacist\n>not a cult"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAmerican exceptionalist also think their nation was chosen by God. This line of thinking is not unprecedented in history. Human groups tend to do this."}, {"id": 12, "content": "A couple excerpts:\n\n>The possessions of Gentiles are limitless like a desert and any Jew who seizes it, acquires it\n>It is the job of every Jew to deceive Gentiles\n>Sexual relations with a child as young as 3 could be permissible in some cases\n>If a Jew wishes to commit a crime, he should not do so in his home town, but a few towns over where he is not known\n>If a Gentile strikes a Jew, he shall be put to death for it is the equivalent of striking YHWH himself\n>Should a Jew strike a Gentile, however, no punishment shall be levied\n>Death is the penalty for he who marries his daughter to an old man, arranges a marriage for his infant son, or teaches the Law to a Gentile\n>It does not count as adultery should a Jew have relations with the spouse of a Gentile\n>A Gentile who hires a Jew must pay him appropriately for services rendered, but a Jew does not have to pay a Gentile\n>If one has relations with a child, and the child is 9 years of age or younger, it shall not count as fornication or sodomy\n>Yeshua ben Joseph, the false prophet and messiah, is now boiling in a pot of excrement\n>Gentile marriages are not real marriages\n>If a Jew is in need of an organ transplant, it is ethical to forcibly seize a Gentile and harvest the necessary organ\n>During Yom Kippur, a Gentile infant shall be abducted and its blood spilt in offering to YHWH"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nI've tried to find so much of this stuff to no avail"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nAren't there lots of different versions"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nLol true."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nWhere are you finding these quotes? I am struggling"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nYou can choose different translations in the sidebar."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown →\nThe Talmud is not canon in the same sense that the Bible or Quran. Its a bunch of Rabbi's arguing over interpretations of the Torah. It would be like a collection of works of Church Fathers or the Hadiths."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>The Talmud is not canon in the same sense that the Bible or Quran. Its a bunch of Rabbi's arguing over interpretations of the Torah. It would be like a collection of works of Church Fathers or the Hadiths.\nthis is complete bullshit. The Talmud is the central text is post Temple (Rabbinical) Judaism"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nIndeed, Satan, it is, insofar that it stands as a interpretation of the Tanakh and the rules prescribed therein. This is why Jews study it more carefully, because by extension they are studying the Tanakh more carefully instead of just taking it on its own. Christians do this with the Bible too like with the Church Fathers and Councils except unlike Jews the Christians haven't formally compiled all these writings into a single standard work, the closest of which is the Ante-Nicene Fathers for the Christians."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they’re the enemy of God, simple as"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Jews expect special treatment in the media\n\n>haha christianity bad muzzies are terrorists\n>NO ANTISEMITE FASCIST YOU CANT POINT OUT WE MARRY THREE YEAR OLDS AND RABBIS PUT THEIR MOUTHS ON BABY DICKS NOOO\n\nMy antisemitism is a revolutionary act"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>11\n>whataboutism\n\nNot an argument"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\nChristianity forbids it."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSTFU JOO"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\nAttributing the behaviour described there to communists is incorrect, not to defend them, but it is just how Russoids and Chinks are regardless of ideology."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nLast I looked the SJWs in the west werent russian or chinese"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nHave you read the Talmud? Do you speak Hebrew and Aramaic?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "The way the Talmud is written makes it especially easy to take out of context and make it sound worse than it is."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI’m currently learning Hebrew to expose what Jews are saying about us on Zionist forums and in general"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>2\nno it doesn't"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate the Thalmor"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>2\nWhere?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nBased"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>6\nJews can't be based"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThe only way to defeat the jew is by outjewing him"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\ntell 'em"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>28\nnobody gives a shit anymore, you'd be wrestling with wind mills. also nobody gives a shit about what's said online in general"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Haplocels destroyed this board"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm E1b1b btw"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnfortunately"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, bunch of autistic rape coomers."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYeah that's worse than a regular coomer"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're wondering, xis is the faggot whos responsible for 90% of the haploshit and race bait threads"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nare you implying the hordes of \"fanatical\" christcucks (who are themselves have incredibly heretical beliefs) didn't have a part in it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDilate"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHaplogroups are part of the future of the discipline as part of genetic studies of human remains generally. Written 'records' as little as 50 years ago are all made up and archaeology is even more fake somehow. Archaeogenetics are the only reliable window to the past so far."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nYou're E-V13 which isn't really considered part of the E1b1b family by other E1b1b carriers since you lack the Natufian genes that actually make you think, act and behave like a proper E1b1b man."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou're a nafri"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThem too.\n>>9\nThat's true, but I guess you should separate archeogenetics (both haplo and admixture) from pure haploautism."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't care. I love larping as a WHG who survived the bellbeaker invasion."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nYou're white."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nHow did you know I'm E-V13"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nYou were enslaved by us after your WHG tribe was exterminated."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>enslaved\nSource? The remaining whg were simply too Chad to exterminate and blended in with the new steppe rapebabies."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThere are a lot of people like you lol.\n\nYou claim to dislike haplogroups yet you brought a DNA test to know your haplogroup so it is clear that you were interested in Y-DNA until it turned out you carried an \"exotic\" haplogroup.\n\nNow E1b1b is only found among Afroasiatic populations and some southern European populations that have been raped by them, since E1b1b is the founding haplogroup among AA speakers and therefore a pretigious haplogroups among them, it wouldn't make sense for a Somali, a Berber, an Arab to behave like you do, however, it would make sense for you to be a Souhtron overdosing on copium."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI2a is a tiny fraction of haplos since Yamnaya warriors exterminated them and is always a WHG slave caste since they were enslaved by steppe warriors"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are some upsides .. like finding out Muslim males have weaker bones than black women lmao"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">E1b1b\n>E-V13\n>Natufian\n>Nafri\n>WHG\n>Rapebabies\n>Southron\n>Bellbeaker\n>Y-DNA\n>AA\n>I2A\n>Yamnaya\n>Steppe\nWhy are they like this?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nZodiac signs for incels. Your haplogroup accounts for less than 1% of your ancestry."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>be southron\n>pay $500 for a BigY\n>*E-V13*\n>\"h-haplogroups are irrelevant, t-they're less one percent of your DNA\"\n>\"y-you can be brown and european\"\nEVERY FUCKING TIME"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nCope incel scum. I don't know my haplogroup because I don't give a fuck.\nI'm a Leo btw, that's way cooler."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nI want to punch varg in the face"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere aren't nearly as many haplogroup threads as there are christians posting pictures of a comedian (I think) burning in feces."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n>it would make sense for you to be a Souhtron overdosing on copium.\nI'm sitting on the 42nd parallel North m'boy, I'm not a SOUTHERNER"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich haplo? R1a (me) are the CHADs of history, not \"cels\"."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>NO FUN ALLOWED!"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nwhy would a southern european be ashamed to be e-v13, it's much more indigenous than a lot of the J2a, J1 and even some G2 clades"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\nthe board was already dead by the time they came, its like claiming hobos shitting up an already broken building caused it to be broken while ignoring the previous inhabitants actions already causing its destruction"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\n>admixture"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>25\n>That pic\nWhy are brown men so thirsty for BWC?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "historically speaking were Russians the only people dumb enough to create an empire whose periphery was more developed than its core?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think Brazil was more developed than Portugal by the time it became independent."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRussian Empire was like South Africa today. where less intelligent majority rules over more intelligent minority"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBrazil is also a good example of periphery development. The coastline is where 90% of people live, there used to be fucking nothing westwards"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIt wasn't. Even the wealthiest regions (Rio de Janeiro, the Recôncavo, Maranhão) were still underdeveloped compared to Portugal."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe real core was Sankt-Petersburg and the Baltics, so not really. A significant part of Russian elites were Baltic Germans"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>create an empire whose periphery was more developed than its core?\nThat's just what happens whenever a barbarian horde subjugates a civilized region. Typically these arrangements are not very long lived, as was the case here too."}, {"id": 8, "content": "The periphery was the coast where trade was best. Before things like railways arrived Saint Petersburg was clearly the prime city."}, {"id": 9, "content": "What do the runes say?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n400 years is very short lived yeah"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n75% of the nobility (including the royal dynasty) were of non-russian origin. mostly Balts,Batlic Germans, Poles, Georgians, and Malorussians(ukrainians)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nSt. Petersburg was still more of a periphery, thought your point is nonetheless valid. The elites of the Baltic and Polish-Lithuanian provinces were integrated into the ruling class and often were in charge of the imperial policies."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>mostly Balts,Batlic Germans\nJust Baltic Gemans. The Balts were overwhelmengly peasant, except for the Samogitian szlachta."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nwell I mentioned balts since a very big chunk of the polish nobles as well were lithuanians"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImperial Russia was centered on St. Petersburg."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nPretty sure it's literacy rates"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Greeks were arguably \"more developed\" than the Romans who conquered them, and that whole thing worked out really well for the Romans"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nPrior to the rise of contemporary Lithuanian nationalism, the \"Lithuanians\" were less Baltic than the Scots are Celtic."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n>>16\nLiteracy rates"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is he the savior we don't deserve?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>>/pol/"}, {"id": 3, "content": "yea, \"savior\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia was never the successor of Rome and never will be"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe islamize Russia. Do you ever been in Moscow? I live here and see a lot of Muslims everyday. Just check youtube videos of Russian metro, a lot of Muslim people here.\n\nAlse he thinks that Islam is more closer to Orthodoxy than Catholicism\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVRot6pl66k [Embed]\n\nMaybe for people who live in America all that stuff seems kind of 'based' but that's fake basedness.\n\nIt's scary that almost every Western person who likes Russia usually likes the Putin. Can you be pro-Russian without this idiotic stuff? Putin is Russian Obama."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nRussia is the Third Rome and always has been"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's the perfect orthodog. Sympathizes with muslims and protects jews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Indians really invent everything?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hiring Poos is a geopolitical move.\nSo far the modicum of contenders to USA are :\n-Islamic countries, which are not a commercial power, and not a military power\n-China, which is commercial power, but not a military power (the US are not a military power, just like any commercial society (the whole humanist propaganda is that military conflicts will never be serious because of deep commercial ties between countries run by oligarchs))\n-India which is not a commercial power, nor a military power. The US leftists like Bill Clinton in the 90s turned china as their new cheap commercial partner, it was all rose tinted worldview, but then by the time of the leftist Obama and even more so with TRUMP, they realized the Chinese spied on them (and by the way China made the oil price rise a lot which created the recession in 2008 (coupled with the leftist view that mortgages should be cheap so backed up by bureaucrats ie housing credits are now riskfree credits, ie bankers sell that like candy lol and get fat fees as the middleman)), so the big idea by the merchants is now to replace china with india, ie getting the indian bureaucrats to by the enormous US debt and in exchange US merchants put a few Poos in top CEO positions and recruit lots of poos working over internet from their shithole. Bonus points is that the US can leverage the deep historical conflict between India and China, in order to fuck with China a bit more. Of course it can back fire, and US oligarchs fuck up all the time, especially on international affairs. US diplomats are really mediocre."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>-China, which is commercial power, but not a military power (the US are not a military power, just like any commercial society (the whole humanist propaganda is that military conflicts will never be serious because of deep commercial ties between countries run by oligarchs))\nIts hard to judge Chinas or Americas military right now because neither are in wartime. Kind of like how Russians were convinced they had the 3rd greatest army on Earth before being vibe checked by some Ukrainain farmers."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nInteresting post I wish to subscribe to your blog"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndians are the perfect slave race, a combination of servile, stupid and weak manlets that will never rise up against their masters. They love sucking up to jews"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nthis"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nIndia can't replace China. Their whole economy is actually dependent on China moreso than the US. Giving India more money just means giving them more money to pay China."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey invented nothing. Ancient India was ruled by a white Aryan caste."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nchina hasnt been in a war since they invaded vietnam, in which they got stomped, there is no telling if chinese tactics, officer quality, and equipment is up to snuff for an actual war, and the only concrete assumption id make is they would use the quantity over quality strategy. I would say its safe to assume they have the same issue practically every authoritarian government has, their officers are selected on blind loyalty than anything else.\nThe US on the other hand I would consider being ready for the task of a conventional war ten years ago, now it feels like every part of the US military is degrading in some way at every level. As for getting their asses kicked in Afghanistan, the US has historically always had issues fighting irregular wars."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I miss her, bros"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>her\nHim. Novgorod - male grammatical gender. \"Lord Novgorod the Great\""}, {"id": 3, "content": "Norvogord still exists."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey had wooden paved streets.\nFucking IRL Rivendell, ruined by Muscowites"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whats their endgame"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever shutting the fuck up and vicariously living through genetic's samples in the neolithic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPushing darktroon into her reservation again and hijras' butchering."}, {"id": 4, "content": "facing one another in trenches near Bakhmut"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe gay alien with glasses is so ugly and creepy it’s unsettling, he’s also known as Mordovix"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nBased"}, {"id": 7, "content": "get AIDS and die"}, {"id": 8, "content": "bully half sentient trannies"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYo never have sex."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUgly fucks"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\ntoplel"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why haven't you converted to Orthdoxy yet?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "i am not insane retard fillowing cringe fads"}, {"id": 3, "content": "because god is an asshole and deserves our contempt, not worship"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't believe in invisible magic sky jews like a fucking idiot."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Because I'm not an easterner."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm already მართლმადიდებელი though"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nPhyletism"}, {"id": 8, "content": "what are some good orthodox sources then? I'm an interested catholic anon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI learned about Orthodoxy through YouTube. Maybe start with spiritual talks by Father Spyridon\nhttps://youtube.com/@FatherSpyridonROCOR"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Because it's heresy.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07mgLoOW8g [Embed]\n\nThe final redpill is Barlaam of Seminara converting to Catholicism because of the Palamite heresy spreading and pushing the killing blow to Orthodoxy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI did last Lazarus Saturday"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Posts picture of a Byzantine flag and dagger in his icon corner.\nCringey LARPers like you give the rest of us a bad name. I hate telling people I’m a convert because they automatically assume I do things like this."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Because I think they are praying to saints and commot idoltary.\nAlso I dont like the \"trad based\" larpers here."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would you have a statue of a failure and the flag of a failed state on your altar for supposedly worshipping God."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbaptized orthodox in an orthodox country and i don't get this trend at all. the orthodox church doesn't care about proselytizing, if you believe the jew got resurrected and aren't an asshole you get into heaven regardless of which church you belong to. universalism is also prevalent, so again no reason to convert."}, {"id": 16, "content": "https://www.orthodoxmanchester.org.uk/welcome.htm\n\nThis seems to be a cool Orthodox Church from around where I used to live"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI converted and on day 3 of going to church I got some orthodussy. Life is good"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNice funko pop collection"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>Sede\n>Calling anyone a heretic\n\nCome on now"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I'm Catholic."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\natheism is a cringe fad"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christcuckery dressed up in Slavic mysticism\n\nIt’s still christcuckery"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo not use the statues."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Because for me, Russian orthodoxy was built of the idea of third Rome, Russia over Europe and dealing a decisive blow to nato and the w*st. Now, none of that is going to happen and I'm already exploring Islam/Confucianism."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Orthodoxy is retarded."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Adolf Hitler had good intentions. He had a desire to establish a new order. His vision for the future is a little bit extreme, but a world of pure blood and strong men... is not necessarily a bad thing."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWiping my butt rn. Also kinda gay you think about men so much"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbut a world of pure blood and strong men\nIf they were really pure and strong they would have won."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA demonstration that good intentions don't outcome in good actions"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>mosquitos can give you malaria therefore mosquitos are stronger than you"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThey will probably survive global warming"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe bad guys won World War Jew"}, {"id": 8, "content": "what a petty and gay thing to do. its a good thing the good guys won right?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah Hitlers only fault was his ambitions slightly outpaced his methodology.\n\nHe was a good man at the end of the day."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nMight makes right, Jews are the good guys."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI could kill you with the best of intentions, and unlike Hitler, I'd actually be improving the world."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nNo Jews are evil and should be wiped out\n\n>>11\nWrong that’d be evil"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If anyone else does it such as Indonesians or English people or Bosnians or Turks etc they are Cucking to Arab supremacy but when Pakis do it nobody cares. There are Paki politicians and public speakers wearing Shemagh and Arab robes and it's just seen as their culture too and nobody cares.\n\nWhy is Arab culture and Paki culture seen as the same thing when Pakistan is basically India and far from Arabia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing obsessed with being traditional for the sake of being traditional with no practical reason is nonsense anyway outside of religion. If the culture evolves and it does what it’s supposed to do for the community it’s good. Only reason you should be fundamentalist with religion is because it is practical. And if you looked it into it anyways I bet you would notice most cultures are partly taken from others anyway. But if your right about Pakistan your right it’s a bit more extreme to be fair"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they're pajets.\nthey're beyond redemption."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Pakistan is an artificial state with no actual culture. They are apostates from Indian civilisation and culture via their conversion to Islam, thus they simply copy other Muslims and have not existed for long enough to have anything of their own yet."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you see shit outside of toilet, you'll wonder what happened\nBut if you see shit inside toilet, you just flush and don't ask question because that's a normal thing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nlol"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Pakistan is failing for the same reason Afghanistan is failing\n\nYou can’t build a country on religious bullshit as the only unifying factor"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they look like brown arabs\n>>7\n>Bomb country for 20 years, spread drug abuse and homosexuality among its people\n>Sanction the already poor country, starving its population\n>Islam destroyed Afghanistan, btw"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they are both the same shade of brown and if you put an Arab and a Paki next to each other you can't tell which is which.\nBut if you put a SEA monkey next to them it's going to stand out."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>SEA Monkey\nSEAs are some of the least hairy humans on the planet, actually"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nfor comparison: the average greek(turk)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nAfghanistan has been a shithole since forever\n\nThey refuse to develop"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>They refuse to develop\nTranslation: They refuse to whore out their daughters and castrate their sons, so we need to bomb them some more"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nIt's funny if you look at fertility rates in these \"developed\" countries and then Afghanistan you will soon realize how retarded you are and how this \"development\" is actually ethnic suicide."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npakis have been under ummayad caliphate"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>whore out\ntheir women are whores everywhere they go tho"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople definitely make fun of Pakistanis for LARPing as Arabs/Persians/Turks."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPakistanis are the ultimate Araboos"}, {"id": 19, "content": "I for one support Afghanistan's war against Pakistan\nServes them right for trying to fuck with them for decades"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is the hilarious thing about the whole Uyghur shit.\nChina is specifcally cracking down in the region on imports from the Gulf States, which signals the person is a Wahabi. When Western media cries about the China \"Burqa ban\" (that doesn't even exist, just using out of context clips from variety shows), you know Western Media doesn't even know what Uyghurs look like."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\nmost arabs are lighter"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nphenotype. they are both brown caucasoids."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they often look like Saudis.\nIndonesians and English people don't."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause its not mainstream. Only a subsect of salafis and wahabbis do it, nobody in power.\n\nThey are too much of a nobody to point out, except apparently to indians wanting to get an epic win on an anime forum"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but when Pakis do it nobody cares\npeople make fun of them all the time\n\n>Why is Arab culture and Paki culture seen as the same thing\nits universally accepted that Pakistan is a muslim extension of India. No more. Bangladesh is basically Pakistans little brother who ended up doing way better than the older brother"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't Prussia take advantage of the Hungarian revolution and attack Austria? Were they stupid?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "19th Century Geopolitics worked like this. European Powers would check with the other Great Powers and negotiate with them to get approval for a certain action. For example Russia tried to take over the Ottoman Empire and just march down to free all of the Balkans and the Middle Eastern Christians. The Anglo FREAKED out, because that would create a huge imbalance and Chaos. So they tell them \"okay, we approve of you getting this, this and that, but nothing more than that\" basically. So you would win at least something in the war, but you would lose massively and start a war against the other Great Powers, if you wanted to push for more than that.\n\nIf Prussia would have shown any ambition to create a Großgermanium, than I am pretty sure every other power would have intervened to stop them. The only reason Prussia managed to unite Germany in our timeline so smoothly was the gigabrain-tier diplomatic strategy of Bismarck. Bismarck also threatened to jump out of a window, if Wilhelm tried to annex Austria from the Habsburg Empire."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Bismarck also threatened to jump out of a window, if Wilhelm tried to annex Austria from the Habsburg Empire.\nSource? First time I've heard this."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>source source source?\nshut up, take it or leave it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAs a Großgermanium enthusiast this is very important information to me. Don't make big claims if you can't back them up."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nget out of my thread"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Prague_(1866)\n>At first, Wilhelm I had wanted to push on to Vienna and annex Austria but Bismarck stopped him and even threatened to resign and more drastically to hurl himself out of the fourth-story window of Nikolsburg Castle.\n>Taylor, A.J.P. (1988). Bismarck: The Man and the Statesman. Hamish Hamilton. pp. 87–88. ISBN 0-241-11565-5."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGee I wonder what happened in 1848 in the Kingdom of Prussia that bound their forces as well as their attention."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did Russia invade Hungary to put down the revolution, were they stupid?\n\nWe are talking about people who refused annexing the entirety of Germany for literally free because they didn't want to pick up a crown from the gutter. They obviously valued their own internal unchecked power over having to share power in more powerful states. The only person who was willing to make that deal was the King of Sardinia who made some vague promises that he'd be a constitutional monarch of a united Italy,"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNow that you remind me Prussia did go to war with Denmark over Schleswig-Holstein and lost somehow."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe First Schleswig War was a coalition effort containing a few of the northern states (among them Prussia) of the German Confederation against the Kingdom of Denmark over the duchies of Schleswig and Holstein. Militarily speaking the german states achieved many victories of ther danes on land but were unable to achieve a greater breakthrough and the german states were never able to seriously challange Denmark on the sea.\nDue to international pressure from the UK, France and Russia the German Confederation ceased to support the rebels of Schleswig and Holstein, who were in turn unable to resist Denmark."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThis reads like ChatGPT but the capitalisation isn't right. Your typing style needs work."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nJuqqt"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAustria's dissolution would've empowered Russia, wasn't worth it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhy did Russia invade Hungary to reform Austria then?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Will the future see a revival of the religious impulse, as a source of meaning and purpose in the individual life? Will the secular impulse of the Enlightenment gradually recede into the past, and be replaced by a post-modern view of human life as a mere game of chance, in which the individual feels that nothing matters except what the individual chooses for itself? Or will the secular impulse prove to be the new religion, in which human beings will believe because they have made that decision themselves, without any need of God to tell them that what they believe is good and true?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Or will the secular impulse prove to be the new religion, in which human beings will believe because they have made that decision themselves, without any need of God to tell them that what they believe is good and true?\nThis will continue to prevail wherever people have developed regions where they are safe to learn about the world in good schools. However there will always be dumber people and there will always be more unstable parts of the world where learning is incomplete, badly planned and interrupted.\nIt already looks like the Covid interruption in schooling is taking a toll on zoomer science education."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Will the future see a revival of the religious impulse, as a source of meaning and purpose in the individual life?\nWe are already living this future. Christcucks have won. Westerners regard a secular version of christcuck morality not just as A morality, not just as THEIR morality, but morality itself. They can't even conceive of another morality. They think it's just common sense.\n>avoiding suffering\n>being nice\nare the only moral virtues in this world. Christcucks have won an ultimate victory."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nJesus approves of threesomes now? Nice"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity and Islam will grow... Christianity will be revived in the west, billions will be born, and we will all be happy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks, Arabs, and Pakis will replace Whites and other white-admixed populations such as latinos. I don't see a future for white ideologies such as liberalism/atheism, catholicism, and protestantism, they will likely dies alongside the white race.\n\nThe new form of Christianity that will arise from the West will be judaizing like BHI."}, {"id": 7, "content": "yes but it will be a dark age for religious people first. the so called age of aquarius. first they will automate the mind, then the body, then they will realize they cant automate the soul. Then religion will come back"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that Ethiopians and Horn Africans in general are of Semitic origin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbout half of Ethiopians are Ethiosemites, also called Abyssinians. These people are descendants of Semites who migrated to the Horn and mixed with the locals but kept their Semitic languages. (Note that some scholars claim that the Semitic languages originated in the Horn and then spread into Arabia, but I highly doubt that claim). As for the rest of the Horners, they're primarily Cushites, people who speak languages that are distantly related to the Semitic family. By far the largest Cushitic languages are Oromo and Somali. And then there are minorities in the Horn who speak languages from other families, such as Omotic and Nilo-Saharan (that last one may not be a real family, however)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm more interested in ethnicity rather than language, but thank you regardless."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, horners are nilotes bleached by natufian-like people many thousands of years ago"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nGenetically they're a mix of Muddle Eastern (Semitic/Afroasiatic) and Subsaharan. That's why they have dark skin but Caucasoid features."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n*Middle Eastern"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Muddle Eastern\nBAHAHAHAHA\nYOU JUST INADVERTENTLY INVENTED A SLUR"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe horner race is the product of ancient black race men mating with ancient white women from arabia"}, {"id": 9, "content": "my race\n\nproud Med"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nThey switched to a Semitic languages. Just like countless Africans who switched languages since time immemorial. Language rarely translates to ancestry anymore."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nEthiosemites are Cushitic-to-Semitic language switchers."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nproof"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPrussian don't look like that"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHe's a noble. Serfs and serfs' descendants still look like it's stated on OP-pic."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSource of this graph?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThis is a commoner. Looks alpine."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nSurprisingly no, she doesn't. But it's an exception."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nvast majority of East Prussians looked Western German, those who didn't were Polish/Lithuanian immigrants"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>Language rarely translates to ancestry anymore.\nLOL, \"muh pots not people\" strikes again."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\nnice try Hassan, but no southern yuropoor would associate with mudslim mulattos that occupy north africa"}, {"id": 21, "content": "somalispot is going to have a blast with this image"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The assassination of Caesar was justified. He had gone too far with his dictatorship and it was a valid attempt to protect Rome's democracy and ideals of liberty."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbut what was the plan after his death? do you really expect the system would correct itself when there's legions loyal to caesar right at rome's doorstep?\nIt seems to me that the notion of \"protecting democracy of the republic\" was just a facade to mask their personal and selfish grudge against the caesarian regime."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>He had gone too far with his dictatorship and it was a valid attempt to protect Rome's democracy and ideals of liberty\n>>>>>>>Roman liberty during the late Republic\nThis is (you) on Optimates/Boni aristocrat propaganda"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>simp for Pompey Magnus even as he flagrantly flaunts the law and does all the things Caesar does but it's cool because he's conservative\n>rig the courts and cook up bullshit charges for Caesar because he refuses to slurp conservative semen even though nothing he does is any different from what conservatives did in the 3rd Punic War\n>Caesar does what Lucius Sulla did and marches on Rome but it's totally not cool because he's not conservative\n>defeats the conservatives despite being the clear underdog\n>enacts wildly popular reforms that remind Romans what an actually functioning government looks like\n>Does not consolidate power, does not purge political rivals, begins making preparations to invade Parthia\n>Assassinate Caesar and tell the masses that it was totally cool for conservatives to commit extralegal murders. See also: the Cataline Conspiracy\n>Don't actually have a plan for what to do afterwards, act surprised when people lose faith in the Republic and ally with the Caesarists to run the conservatives out of town and hunt them down like mad dogs\nThe Republic was a bloated hypocritical failed-state that deserved to die"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>simp for Pompey Magnus even as he flagrantly flaunts the law and does all the things Caesar does but it's cool because he's conservative\nBros, I thought America wasn't Rome? The parallels aren't supposed to be valid?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhistory doesn't repeat, it rhymes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThanks for clearing up on the HUGE fuck-ups of the late republic and the hypocrisy of un-Roman aristocrat faggots"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Rome's democracy and ideals of liberty.\nstopped reading right there"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a cope.\n\nVerification not required."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In a capitalist society, all gains require you to step on others. Who set up the system in this way and why?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Dutch Republic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n4chan is a capitalist website, who is stepping on you right now?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Animals are capitalistic? Good to confirm commies are lower than them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncapitalism bad, no kebab turkiyem 1 gazillion christian armeno-assyrian death"}, {"id": 6, "content": "I like to stomp people, I just don't like it whem I'm being stomped, simple"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In a capitalist society, all gains require you to step on others.\nBack to school, retard"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>hates capitalism because he’s poor"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nJannies"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Capitalism, who provides Capital? Banks."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho are you stepping on when you receive an investment donation for your new product?\n>>8\nNTA, but I hate capitalism because it does the opposite of what OP says it does."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAs opposed to communism, which is perfectly honest in its effects?\n\nSerious question: are you brain damaged?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod or something, because that is an inevitable consequence of finite resources distributed among a population. You are not getting more without it coming at someone else's expense, that is the case in every conceivable economic system because they can't abolish thermodynamics."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this gay smut?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In a capitalist society, all gains require you to step on others.\nNot really.\n>Who set up the system in this way and why?\nIt grew out of mercantilism. A class of people whom owned the means by which goods are produced began to develop and became politically powerful. It was more profitable for them to eliminate tariffs and use foreign materials instead of paying a premium for local raw materials."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>communism, which is perfectly honest\nYour words, not mine.\n>are you brain damaged?\nAre you not?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the appeal of atheism/nihilism? How does someone get their jollies pretending that nothing matters and there are no consequences? Is it simply because they really want to partake in sodomy or bestiality that bad? I can’t understand how someone could be so angry at God that they pretend to not recognize His existence."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What is the appeal of atheism/nihilism?\nThe truth? Imagine thinking a bearded man in the sky is watching over you"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>trust le science bro!! XD\nWhy do you reject thousands of years worth of evidence and teachings just so you feel no guilt living your decadent lifestyle? God doesn’t want you to think about men’s cocks. He wants you to build a family and spread His love."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBro you admitted you didn't even go to mass on any day of the Holy Week and instead spent your time posting homoerotic edits of atheist comedians on a degenerate anime imageboard. You're not a Christian, you're just a larper."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich God?\nTell me why your God exists and the thousands of other Gods and religious cults throughout history are wrong?.\n>Nooo Jesus loves me yes I know for the Bible tells me so!!!!.\n\nThere is no eye witness testimony of Jesus. All the gospels were written decades, in some cases 50-70 years after these supposed events. We don't have the originals, could of easily been fabricated. You think the Romans wouldn't of recorded these events or the Sanhedrin that there was this jew rabbi walking on water, raising people from the dead etc?.\nThe gospel of Matthew claims at the time of the crucifixion, graves of saints opened and they climbed out and went for a stroll in Jerusalem, NO evidence to support any of these claims.\nEven the whole story is pathetic and contemptible, the idea that a human sacrifice of a guy who was supposed to be also god thousands of years ago absolves me of my sins is laughable and pathetic. Primitive Middle eastern scapegoating.\n\nWhat's more likely the laws of nature were suspended for your Jew rabbi to walk on water rise from the dead etc, or it's bullshit?\nExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYou really think God doesn’t let you worship Him from your home if you’re sick? Where are you getting your rules from?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>trust the cuck manual written by Rabbi Yeshua™, ignore that science and technology has evolved so much these last few centuries that every single thing written in religious text has been debunked"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nYou were sick throughout the entire week? You couldn't go to mass on the Holy Monday? Or Holy Tuesday? Or Holy Wednesday? Or Palm Thursday? Or Good Friday? Or Holy Saturday?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nThe Romans were trying to hide Christ’s message from us. Why would they document His miracles? And yes, the stories of Jesus are from eyewitness accounts. Hundreds of people to this very day have met Him through near death experiences. You think they are all lying despite having the same experience to tell?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYes, but I still prayed to Him every day."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Why would they document His miracles?\nName a single contemporary roman historian who wrote about his miracles. Literally the only contemporary source is just the bible\n>And yes, the stories of Jesus are from eyewitness accounts. Hundreds of people to this very day have met Him through near death experiences. You think they are all lying despite having the same experience to tell?\nIts called schizophrenia"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou are lying. You said that you went to mass on the Sunday before.\nLying about why you didn't go to mass is absolutely insane. You will burn in hell forever, larper."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>things that hurt my narrative don’t count\n>>12\nI did. I wasn’t sick the previous Sunday. What are you talking about?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nExtremely convenient that you weren't sick the previous Sunday but immediately became so sick on the next day that you couldn't go to mass.\nBut no, we both know that's not it. When you said you went to mass the previous Sunday, you weren't even aware that you ought to go to mass on every day of the Holy Week. You're a larper and a liar, and you will burn in hell forever."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>getting sick on a monday is rare and never happens because I say so\nYou are mentally ill."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nwhat has been debunked specifically?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>>15\nWe both know what the truth is. You lie and then you lie about having lied. And you're unrepentant too, because otherwise you would've stopped.\nDo you even realize how blasphemous it is to lie about why you didn't go to mass on Easter? You're done. It's over."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nt. larping fedora"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nI'm not a fedora. I'm a Christian and unlike you, I actually go to mass.\nYou think you can just keep lying and maybe pray later and everything will be forgiven? That's not how it works. Your continued lying is a sign that you're not actually repentant."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>I’m a Christian\nDoubtful. I’ll be praying for you."}, {"id": 21, "content": "The gervais poster skipped going to church during the holiest week of the year so he could post his gay porn on /his/? Kek, this guy is competing to be a bigger lolcow than jwanon."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nPray for yourself, you pathetic moron. You have a lot to answer for, and the list keeps growing with every reply of yours here that denies the truth about what you did on the Holy Week."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnon why do you hate Ricky Gervais so much"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nShut up nerd"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nYou sure do sound like a man who is good with God, telling someone else they don’t worship Him in the right way. Do you think He would have wanted me to spread my illness to others when I can talk to Him anywhere? Why do you feel like you know better than He does? What sect are you even?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nand you sure looks like a man who good with god, by posting erotic rick gervais picture"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nEach separate reply where you lie about what you did during the Holy Week is another blasphemy, and another show of the fact that you're unrepentant about blaspheming. I have half a mind to stop replying because I'm just coaxing you to keep digging your hole deeper, but in the end, it's your choice."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>16\nBible\n>God created everything\nScience\n>Evolution theory\n\nBible\n>The Earth is 6000 years old\nScience\n>The Earth is billions years old\n\nBible\n>Noah's Ark is real\nScience\n>Noah's Ark is scientifically impossible"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nHe knows why I do it.\n>>27\nThat’s not what blasphemy means, you fool."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nNo evidence for macroevolution whatsoever."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nYou think that lying about why you didn't attend mass during the Holy Week isn't blasphemy? You think it's not a direct insult to God? Lord have mercy on your soul."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nRicky Gervais is basedjak incarnate"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nI’m not lying, you larping fedora bastard. You’re trying way too hard."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>>18\n>>13\n>>1 (OP)\nHOW ARE YOU GETTING THESE IMAGES LOL"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nThis too is a lie. How many lies do you intend to pile up today? Are you even aware of what you're doing? Do you realize the consequences?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>13\n>>things that hurt my narrative don’t count\nNo the new testament are not eyewitness accounts.\nWhat's more likely the laws of nature were suspended for your Jew rabbi to walk on water rise from the dead etc, or it's bullshit?\nExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\nWhat are wisdom teeth for then?\n\nWhy have we got nails on our toes?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>>36\n>edgy fedoras dropping obvious bait\nWhy are you people like this?\n>>37\nAll my wisdom teeth came in fine. Why is God giving us toenails weird to you?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>unrepentant blaspheming pornographer is calling me a fedora\nHow are you going to justify this when the time comes?\n>b-but I had a really good reason! I was blaspheming to save face on an anonymous imageboard\nNot gonna go well for you, larper."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nNotice you always evade my questions.\nWhere is your evidence that these claims are true?\nHave you considered that they might be bullshit, like the thousands of other Gods, religions and cults that have existed throughout history?\nWhat's more likely the laws of nature were suspended for your Jew rabbi to walk on water rise from the dead etc, or it's bullshit?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>9\n>And yes, the stories of Jesus are from eyewitness accounts.\nNOT TRUE.\nAnyone who has studied the bible knows this, you are in complete denial."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nAside from the obvious miracles we witness in our lives every day, the Old and New Testaments are very detailed in their documentation of the Son and the Father. Why are you so adamant to ignore evidence that is right in front of you? Do you feel that it somehow threatens your way of life?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>Aside from the obvious miracles we witness in our lives every day,\nNot evidence, I have never seen any miracles.\n\n>he Old and New Testaments are very detailed in their documentation of the Son and the Father.\nJewish fables.\nNo evidence, exodus was true, no evidence the Jews even lived in Egypt in large numbers. No evidence of the Passover, pestilence etc etc. No evidence of the flood. No evidence of talking snakes.\nThere is no eye witness testimony of Jesus. All the gospels were written decades, in some cases 50-70 years after these supposed events. We don't have the originals, could of easily been fabricated. You think the Romans wouldn't of recorded these events or the Sanhedrin that there was this jew rabbi walking on water, raising people from the dead etc?.\nThe gospel of Matthew claims at the time of the crucifixion, graves of saints opened and they climbed out and went for a stroll in Jerusalem, NO evidence to support any of these claims\nNO MENTION of Jesus outside of the bible, until about 100 years when Roman historians mention Christians.\nThe evidence you mention is pathetic"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nYou didn’t need a wall of text to tell me that you are choosing to reject evidence because you don’t like it. Cope and seethe, fedora."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nOkay where is the evidence for these miracles- a suspension of the laws of nature?\nPlease change my mind"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nRainbows, the Grand Canyon, the tide, near death experiences, Israel bouncing back against all odds, just to name a few. You’ve already refused to acknowledge all the documentation, so I really doubt you’re open to being wrong."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>Rainbows, the Grand Canyon, the tide, near death experiences, Israel bouncing back against all odds.\nLOL. Okay you are either a child or just retarded.\nGoodbye"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nEnjoy hell."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>34\nThe madman AI generates them to scare people"}, {"id": 50, "content": "I used to be a believer OP, mainly because that's what I was educated with at a young age but I eventually dropped it, like believing in Santa Claus. I really, really fucking want Santa Claus to be real, but it doesn't add up. If God is truly real, I think he would forgive me for not believing in him--more than someone who prays and goes to church and commits crimes and then thinks they can do to a church booth to perform a hard reset as if they never did anything wrong. If he is real and will send me to hell for my skepticism, he truly is not the kind of God everyone claims he is."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>Israel bouncing back against all odds\n\nand sell weapons to secular muzzie, and destroy the first christcuck nation, indeed it was a miracle"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>secular muzzie\nWhat are you talking about?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\nYou will go to hell for your unrepentant blaspheming. You'll be there with him."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>santa claus and God are comparable\nObvious bait"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\n\nAlso, just want to ask what God would consider is a sin. I currently pay taxes to a government that builds bombs that kills people, how much responsibility do I own for that murder? Technically everyone in the entire world has contributed to the death of someone, does that mean it is not a sin? If I ordered the death of someone but didn't commit it personally, am i absolved? It seems like an impossible question to answer, does God go by a point system like a report card? Do I get points for attending church and lose points for performing a crime? And then I get a scorecard for either heavy, purgatory, or hell?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>unknown\nNobody is buying this"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>atheism/nihilism\nThese are two completely different things. How stupid are you?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nExplain how they are different"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nExplain how they are the same."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nWithout God life has no meaning."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nNo."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nYes."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nNo."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nFedora cope"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nNot an argument. Thank you for your concession."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nI’ll pray for you."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nAlso not an argument. I accept your second concession."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHas Ricky Gervais filed a restraining order against you yet?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>23\nGod hates the English."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>58\n>a·the·ism\n>Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.\n>ni·hil·ism\n>The rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless.\nSpecifically nihilists think that life is meaningless. But disbelieving in God absolutely does NOT require you to think that life is meaningless.\n\nI think Ricky Gervais thinks that life is meaningless. But that doesn't mean every atheist does. I think Ricky is pretty misguided in thinking life is meaningless.\n\n>>65\n>>67\nBased."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nWhat meaning do you think life has?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nDon't feel like telling you to be honest. But yeah I do think life has meaning."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>literally cannot tell me\nThe absolute state of atheists"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nImagine crying at the truth like you are. Pathetic."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe appeal of not being dictated your purpose and meaning is that you get to find it in your everyday life and live a more fulfilling existence in the moment setting your own goals instead of depriving yourself of agency your whole life."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>I know the answer but I'm not telling.\nYou must be 18 to post here."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nIf you're too thick to work out reality for yourself then that isn't my problem."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\nHow about you tell me then?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nHow about you suck my cock?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nThank you for admitting defeat."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\nNigger just tell us what makes you think your life is worth living so we can laugh at you sooner than later."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nYeah the idea that anything apart from worshipping the Jew god would make life worth living is laughable."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n>>81\n>admitting that whatever the answer is, they will reject it\nWhy are you so mad at the truth? Pathetic.\n\nGlad I could defeat you."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nWhat truth? You've said nothing. You're as empty as the ice cream carton you just got done shoveling into your maw."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\n>he can't figure out the truth for himself\nLMAO"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nI know what *my* truth is, I'm asking for yours you fucking headcase."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>he thinks he gets to make up what the truth is\nHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>72\n>>74\n>>77\n>>79\n>>82\n>>83\n>>85\n>>87\nI hate atheists so much it’s unreal"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nI hate Christcuck larpers so much it's unreal."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>larpers\nI don’t think you understand what that word means."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nI know exactly what it means. 4chan incels pretend to be Christians because they think it will get them a tradwife and children. It won't, of course, because they never leave their smelly bedrooms."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nYou seem underage to me."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nNope. It's true, isn't it?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nI have a wife and two kids. I have my own house. What do you have?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>2\n>bearded man in the sky\nThat's what you think God is? Your concept of It is that simple?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>I have a wife and two kids. I have my own house.\nPost wife's tits or gtfo, larpie."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nI don’t think she’d appreciate that very much. Have Gervais’s tits instead."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\n>uuuh actually guys my girlfriend lives in canada, but she's totally really\nYeah sure you incel neet."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>2\n>nihilist\n>cares about the \"truth\"\nWhy are people who supposedly don't care about anything cate so much about truth and authenticity, how do they justify this"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>hey babe can I take a picture of your tits so I can win an internet argument on a Basque carpentry imageboard\n>I need to impress a literal nobody babe please"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan you generate a pic of Ricky Gervais fighting Satan in hell?"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>unknown\nFantastic. He is not laughing now LOL"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>13\n>>18\n>>33\n>>38\n>>44\n>>48\n>>54\n>>64\n>>73\n>>80\n>>84\n>>86\n>>97\n>>unknown\nyou think your \"god\" can save you from GOTT's wrath?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>94\n>>97\n>he claims to have a wife and kids but spends every single day spamming AI pictures of Ricky Gervais in various positions\nYeah I bet she loves you, a terminally online seether like you is definitely a real catch"}, {"id": 105, "content": "Fun thing is that Ricky is the actual son of God testing our faith, and the faggot OP will be the only loser on Earth suffering eternal torment in hell kek"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">Christian\n\n>revelling in the idea of people going to hell and being tortured\n\nAh yes."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>102\nHe's laughing at obsessed christcuck faggots"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I can’t understand how someone could be so angry at God that they pretend to not recognize His existence.\nyour worshipping a force not a god\ngods usually have names and a family tree\nchristians are just some really weird breed of atheist with a lot of infighting"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\nIt happens every time, they claim to be Christian yet are extremely hateful, despite Christ saying to love thy neighbour"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>30\n>1+1=2\n>but no evidence for 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=10"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>46\n>Rainbows\nA rainbow does not exist at one particular location. Many rainbows exist; however, only one can be seen depending on the particular observer's viewpoint as droplets of light illuminated by the sun. All raindrops refract and reflect the sunlight in the same way, but only the light from some raindrops reaches the observer's eye. This light is what constitutes the rainbow for that observer. The whole system composed by the Sun's rays, the observer's head, and the (spherical) water drops has an axial symmetry around the axis through the observer's head and parallel to the Sun's rays. The rainbow is curved because the set of all the raindrops that have the right angle between the observer, the drop, and the Sun, lie on a cone pointing at the sun with the observer at the tip. The base of the cone forms a circle at an angle of 40–42° to the line between the observer's head and their shadow but 50% or more of the circle is below the horizon, unless the observer is sufficiently far above the earth's surface to see it all\n>the Grand Canyon\nThe Grand Canyon is part of the Colorado River basin which has developed over the past 70 million years. Formation of the Grand Canyon and the Colorado River may involve a complex history in which multiple factors and geologic processes have interacted over time and in different locations.\nThe emerging scientific consensus is that the canyon is made up of multiple segments which formed at different times and eventually connected to become the waterway now traversed by the Colorado River. Of the three central segments, the \"Hurricane\" was formed 50-70 million years ago, and the \"Eastern Grand Canyon\" was cut 15-25 million years ago. In contrast, the \"Marble Canyon\" and \"Westernmost Grand Canyon\" segments at the ends of the canyon were carved in the last five to six million years."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>46\n>>111\n>the tide\nBecause the gravitational field created by the Moon weakens with distance from the Moon, it exerts a slightly stronger than average force on the side of the Earth facing the Moon, and a slightly weaker force on the opposite side. The Moon thus tends to \"stretch\" the Earth slightly along the line connecting the two bodies. The solid Earth deforms a bit, but ocean water, being fluid, is free to move much more in response to the tidal force, particularly horizontally (see equilibrium tide).\n>near death experiences\nThere are a dozen different models for this depersonalization, expectancy, dissociation, neuroanatomical, neurochemical, multi-factorial, low oxygen levels, altered blood gas levels, and others\n\nNone of these are miracles that require God to exist."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>46\n>he thinks rainbows and the Grand Canyon are evidence of God\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has feminism aged the worst out of all progressive causes of the 20th century? Looking back at the works of prominent feminist academics, it's a lot of vapid bullshit, promises of some vague \"emancipation\" with no convincing vision of what that final liberation would look like, etc."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck am I reading"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It cannibalized itself every 20 years with the same methods which is how you get troon advocates labelling older gens TERFs"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt has aged poorly, It was always based on a flawed premise that women were somehow \"oppressed\" and was backed by wealthy elites who wanted to saturate the labor market.\nIronically the final nail in the coffin was trannies subverting their entire movement. Trannies basically invalidate the entire idea of feminism by saying that gender is actually just something in your head (which brings into question how you can even be oppressed for your gender). But you'll never be able to see feminism anymore without trannies involved somehow due to how thoroughly they hijacked the movement. I don't really feel that bad for them though, you reap what you sow."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIronically the older gens were also into gender relativity or gender abolition shit, including some second wavers like Firestone"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Feminism has been wildly successful, beyond anything its early leaders could possibly have imagined.\n\nI don't know what you mean by \"aged badly,\" but the power and seemingly unstoppable dominance of feminism in almost every aspect of public life is essentially undeniable.\n\nAbortion is legal virtually everywhere in the developed world. Women have the upper hand in the dating scene and marriage against virtually all but the very most elite men. Women are favoured in business, academia, and government.\n\nDisaffected men are forced to take comfort in the tiniest of victories. Oh, abortion is a states' rights issue again! This will effect a small number of women in a minority of states in one country (meanwhile abortion rights are marching forward in basically every other part of the world). Trannies are getting access to womens' sports and a few swimming pools and changing rooms, how ironic! (Meanwhile, virtually all men-only private clubs have been forced open to women, not to mention all the institutions formerly dominated by men that have been overcome, from Parliament to the universities to the police, army and courts...)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBig Asian lady sexo"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIt's been successful in having been recuperated by the neoliberal system but it aged badly. Ideologically it lost all of its edge (if it ever even had any after the first wave) and even progressive libs aren't enthusiastic about it anymore. To right-wingers it just represents the cause of the fertility crisis (alongside the Sexual Revolution).\nIt's notable that currently the most perceptive or prominent \"feminist\" is in fact a post-feminist (Mary Harrington)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt has achieved total female emancipation. Men no longer have any privileges left, but kept all their old obligations like going to war.\nSo if anything feminism has achieved more than planned, similar or more rights than men with less obligations.\nThis thread is pure copium, out of all the leftist ideologies feminism has succeeded 110% all the other ones failed here and there, gays are still ostracized in private, troons are getting BTFO in public as well.\nBut women got their full fucking suffrage and more and their rights will never be reverted. Modern feminism is just beating a dead horse."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>Ironically the final nail in the coffin\nWhich coffin you spastic? Feminism won, women went from not being allowed to vote, work, open bank accounts and being married without their consent to what we have today, complete freedom and emancipation and living life on EZ mode. Female incels don't exist for a reason, male suicide is 4x higher for the same reason.\nIn the UK it is illegal to stare at a woman in the metro, what exactly is this feminist coffin? They got it all they won and men lost ALL their privileges."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Ideologically it lost all of its edge (if it ever even had any after the first wave) and even progressive libs aren't enthusiastic about it anymore.\nYeah because it has already achieved all of it's goals dumb fuck. It's a dead horse at this point. What else is there for feminism to do? WOMEN GOT FULL EMANCIPATION"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>out of all the leftist ideologies feminism has succeeded 110%\nThat's why it aged badly"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThat's what I'm saying retard"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nSo who the fuck cares? It won in every aspect and more, first wave feminists would never have believed this would happen if you told them.\nIt literally outperformed all of it's goals for society and took a shit on men as a gender and your cope is that hurrr it didn't age right. Of course retard the job is done, modern feminists are just trying to see how far they can push it until men fight back - answer is: pretty fucking far with no end in sight yet"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>So who the fuck cares?\nWhy do you care so much about me caring about it?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nI don't get you. It's like pointing out that the military power that was able to conquer the entire Earth lost it's military edge afterwards.\nYeah retard, cause there is no more purpose for high military spending at that point. You are not wrong just retarded."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou're the retarded one because you can't fathom what's being discussed. Feminism wasn't a subversive or edgy ideology even in the 60s. It's always been a larp moreso than the other leftist escapades. The fact it has such institutional power is PROOF of my statement"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nYou're too retarded to make a point. Feminism has never been a larp, if anything the trans movement today is a massive larp, feminism achieved all of it's goals decade after decade. It had no clear vision? Expect me to believe nobody in the past envisioned current western society as it is today? Moron."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nWeak moid-brain can't handle the divine feminine."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nBecoming hedonistic and barren and plunging civilization into the gutter isnt 'winning'. Depression rates among women show these 'wins' didnt reflect in happiness, on the contrary."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>It had no clear vision?\nIt didn't. Please tell me how the vision of e.g. Luce Irigaray was fulfilled. Go read feminist academics, their demands were a far cry from and more abstract than corporate feminism, street activist Handmaid costume feminism or social media witch hunt feminism"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nWomen don't care about civilization. I actually interact with women on a daily basis unlike you, none of them are depressed. I spoke to plenty of depressed people in my life and they were all men.\nWomen live life on the easiest of fucking modes, they live on tutorial mode, the vast majority of women are not depressed they experience life at it's fullest. They could have harems of Chads they could rotate around if they wanted to modern women live on the same level as Sultans of the past, they don't even need to work finding a retard to provide for some crumbs of pussy is piss easy."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nWomen aren't depressed in their youth, but once they hit the Wall their lives turn sour if they failed to secure a mate. Women are in a way actually worse off because their beauty fades very quickly and then they spend the remainder of their life as wine aunts and cat ladies"}, {"id": 24, "content": "The culture of the 1950s encouraged women to be homemmakers but not all women were suited for that life and many chafed at it. Of course then second wave feminism went the other unhealthy extreme and decided that all women should be Fortune 500 CEOs but not all of them were suited for that life and ended up suffering trying to achieve that goal."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>Women are in a way actually worse off because their beauty fades very quickly and then they spend the remainder of their life as wine aunts and cat ladies\nIn fairness though, dating for men also becomes nightmare mode with age, and it gets harder to find a young, fertile woman"}, {"id": 26, "content": "this thread reads like /r9k/ and Facebook had a baby"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>their lives turn sour if they failed to secure a mate\nMore nuclear incel cope. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Women can get partners at any age, I've been on dating groups and seen 50 YEAR OLDS get bombarded with messages.\nTRP is cope for retards, women have more sexual market value than incels at any age. Yes a 50 year old woman has a better chance at getting a partner than you in your prime.\nThe Wall ruins women my ass male suicide rate is 4x higher at any age bracket fuck off now"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Yes a 50 year old woman has a better chance at getting a partner than you in your prime.\nYou can't be serious. Please be bait"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>6\n>Abortion is legal virutally everywhere\nWith severe restrictions even in the West. Anything beyond first trimester in most of the developped world is frowned upon. In America, it's being pushed back beyond first trimester now.\n>Women have the upper hand in the dating scene\nThis has always been the case. Even chivalry back in the Medieval era was basically men kneeling and worshipping women.\n>Women are favored in business, academia\nSTEM is overwhelmingly dominated by men to this day in spite of affirmative action\n>and government\nMen prefer technical jobs to admnistrative jobs, big deal\n>Meanwhile, virtually all men-only private clubs have been forced open to women, not to mention all the institutions formerly dominated by men that have been overcome, from Parliament to the universities to the police, army and courts...)\nAlmost all of those instutitions are dominated by men; courts have always been favorable to women since the dawn of time (A woman accusing a jogger of rape got him lynched 100% of the time)"}, {"id": 30, "content": "most women still just work in \"traditional\" female lines of work like teaching and nursing, so..."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>13\nhow on earth do you consider a movement succeeding almost totally \"aging badly\"? that's like saying the gay rights movement aged badly because they've succeeded so totally that in many parts of the West the argument is over coercing the remaining holdouts to accept them.\nnot to mention the implication that an ideological movement remained static over time. there's a reasons xth Wave Feminism entered popular terminology. Just because Feminists rooted in earlier Feminist traditions are in conflict with modern pro-Trans ideologies doesn't mean the whole ideology aged poorly."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>how on earth do you consider a movement succeeding almost totally \"aging badly\"?\nBecause they still larp as le underdog"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>6\nYes but this is going to have drastic consequences down the road. Expecting women to have introspection over this matter is going to be a failure. They’ll learn the hard way"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>implication that an ideological movement remained static over time.\nI didn't imply that. All waves aged badly"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The October \"Revolution\" was more like a coup by most metrics"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The October \"Revolution\" (happened in november) was a german coup to knock out russians from the war."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The October \"Revolution\" was led by Jews who wanted to sissy hypno russians into being soiboys"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The National Socialist Women's League established the office of the \"Reich Commissioner for German costume\" under the leadership of Gertrud Pesendorfer (1895–1982).[63][64][65] In 1938, she published dirndl designs by Gretel Karasek (1910–1992), which Pesendorfer described as \"renewed costume\".[66] Pesendorfer claimed that Karasek made the following innovations from traditional designs: (1) the collar was removed, allowing display of décolletage; (2) long sleeves were replaced by puff sleeves; (3) the waist was emphasised with tighter lacing and buttons; and (4) the skirt was reduced to mid length. The overall effect accentuated the female form and especially the breasts.[64][67][63] Pesendorfer described the new style as \"de-catholicised\" (entkatholisiert); she said her goal was to free the costume of \"overburdening by church, industrialization and fashionable cries\" and \"foreign influences\" and to let the \"rogue sub-culture\" back again.[64][65][67]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Birth rates obviously.\n\nThats also why Hitlerjugend and BDM-Mädel groups were kept close together and were basically breeding camps."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis^\n>>1 (OP)\nThey were actively encouraged to have as many children as possible. Literally."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Nazis weren't tradcath larpers and wanted to reward their young male supporters. Also, the easier the women, the more Aryans to settle the East after the Endsieg. Literally the entire logic behind this"}, {"id": 5, "content": "They weren't muslims Omar"}, {"id": 6, "content": "They wanted a total free-for-all orgy to increase German birthrates as rapidly as possible and girls as young as 13 were being encouraged to get knocked up."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Damn, look at these JIDF shills trying to make sex seem like a bad thing.\n\nEat shit kike, young German boys pop young German girl's pussys and there's nothing you can do about it. Your pet niggers never even leave the cities, they know the Germans in the country shoot back and don't miss."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>and girls as young as 13 were being encouraged to get knocked up.\nBased. God made females fertile by 10 for a reason"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Based. God made females fertile by 10 for a reason"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Zoomer Trads need to get laid more. People are having less sex than ever, pop culture is completely de-eroticized."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>lives in the age of OnlyFans\n>culture is less sexu\nUh..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nHoly cope…Germans are some of the most neutered people in the world kek there is nobody as unpatriotic as them. Are we still pretending immigrants don’t live in the countryside now?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nBoth of those are true though, it is more like sex has been segregated. You have OnlyFans and Pornhub but at the same time mainstream stuff has less T&A than before. There are only two extremes now, hardcore porn or no sexual content at all."}, {"id": 14, "content": "I hate how absolutely unhealthy this jewish slide thread is.\nKids at 15-16 should be having sex. Girls and boys at that age are perfect for pair-bonding.\n\nSexless Americans and pedophilic jews itt need to rope themselves."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The nazis were socially conservative and wanted young boys and young girls to get together as soon as they could\nI know this triggers you Ahmed but unsurprisingly the Nazis weren't muslims, how shocking"}, {"id": 16, "content": "It's hilarious how a vitalist society makes conservative reactionaries clutch their pearls."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Hold up...stacies who go to Oktoberfest are carrying on the Nazi legacy"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\ndo you know how difficult that is? Im 21 and have never even touched a girl"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThere are numerous assorted bits and pieces of the Nazi era that are still left over in Germany most don't notice such as Labor Day (first made an official holiday in 1933) and random other laws here and there that were never repealed in the postwar era."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly don't mind if traditionalism comes with abit of sensuality. This whole anti-sex thing is only an Abrahamic thing anyway"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\nThat's the thing, actual eroticism has been relegated to the ghettos of internet pornography sites. Mainstream culture in the US is completely sexless, instead of beautiful women and men in art and advertisements, it's completely ugly and vulgar. Compare to HR Giger, just because something has dicks and vaginas doesn't mean it's titillating. Modern art is completely alien and desexualized compared to the ancients."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHere's modern advertisements. Completely desexualized and dehumanized. Barely any secondary sex characteristics, races are completely interchangeable. American culture is completely sterile."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>Tag der Arbeit\nLooking forward to my free Monday in two weeks"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nin the former GDR and Saxony Germans will prevail but only if hopefully Berlin gets glassed by DongFeng(东风™) missiles mounted with the most filthy nukes imaginable"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Fascist here.\nWe value eternal traditions, not the life-denying traditions of christcucks. Eroticism and sensuality aren‘t something to be fought against and repressed at every opportunity. Christcuck Traditionalists would think the archetypical Hero saving a woman from a rapist, who he then has consensual sex with is degenerate. But it‘s actually one of the oldest traditions there are."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nwotan isn't real"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nThis"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Raising birth rates is all that mattered fuck christcucks"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">ywn be in the hitler youth having unprotected sex with prime german girls"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nanti sex isnt the same as anti degeneracy\na little bit of decency on the commons goes a long way"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHoly shit. I didn’t realize Nazis were so based."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>8\nBrown hands typed this"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>10\nI don't think this was a problem for 1920s trads\nProbably farmers with 15 children"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey wanted more Aryan babies."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>8\nBased as fuck. Why does all anti-Hitler slander always end with him being right and God-approved?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"...theologians talk of the 'dignity of suffering'. Yet being biologically compelled to suffer, as under the present Darwinian DNA regime, is arguably the greatest indignity of all....\"\n\nQuote taken from one of David Pearce's websites:\n>https://www.paradise-engineering.com/heav18.htm\n\nThis ZANY idea that suffering is bad (who knew?) completely undermines the idea of a God.\n>inb4 \">If God exists, why bad thing happen?\"\nThere is no answer to the above question, though. Believers live in this fantasy world where everything is good despite the fact that the natural world is a fucking slaughterhouse. Has anyone here seen the documentary The Eyes of the Devil? Filthy rich sadists fly in on their private jets to secret locations where they pay shitloads of money to rape infants TO DEATH. The \"company\" that owns the baby then harvests its organs to sell to other rich people whose babies need organs. Monarchs used to skin, burn, and boil people alive for trying to overthrow them. And you still believe in a God? Get the fuck out of here."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was invervention when the annunaki came to earth some 400k years ago and that's why bad things happen today"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\naliens made humans from an early species of primate. Frankly they could have done a better job. Some think they just created us to mine gold.\n\nBut that still doesn't explain why the wilderness is a slaughterhouse. I think nature is just cruel. I have to wonder if aliens are cruel, too. I think the Draco/reptilians are (not all species of reptilian apparently), and possibly some greys? But apparently 95% of alien species are good, so that's a relief. They're either vegetarian or don't eat at all, or often are ascended to a higher density with bodies made of light."}, {"id": 4, "content": "bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "holy shit"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Faceblindness is a sign of autism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsame energy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth plot very similarly too, it is not a coincidence."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey look nothing alike, Zucker looks depigmented orientalid, Augustus was subnordid (gracilised nordic)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAugustus had brown eyes and brown hair and would plot with modern Italians today. We know this because this statue was found in his wife's home with brown paint on the eyes and hair."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do some protestant leaders come off as super creepy salesmen? And why aren't other protestants creeped out by them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do some protestant leaders come off as super creepy salesmen?.\nBecause they are."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/Thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsn't he Catholic? The only videos I've seen of him are complaining about witchcraft and Harry Potter."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHe's one of those CARM/got questions.org tier fundamentalist types."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Literally a media personality"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”\n\nYou cannot serve both God and Mammon."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>falling for slick talking shyster con artists\n\nThat’s been Christians since day one"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nathetroons dont get to say anything about con artists"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDidn’t Rabbi Slapstein tell you turn the other cheek?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nask him, youre the one in tel aviv"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nYou believe a virgin gave birth to a magic Jew who went around doing magic powers, got killed then the dead Jew sprung to life again and went around shooting the shit with people.\n\nAnd nobody wrote anything about it for half a century! Get the fuck out of here dude. Your religion is crock of shit."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nIt’s christcuck boomers who demand we support israel"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nno i dont, but sounds healthier compared to whatever athetroons believe\n>>13\nsounds like a line from talmud, well done judas"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThey're gonna regret it too\nhttps://apnews.com/article/e287dd6bad32573d1656eaea07223782"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>nooo demetia ridden old people support israel\nYou sure it's not just general amerimutt sympathy to fellow mutts (jews)?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtties love tacky souless stuff."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Meet Kenneth Copeland."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>Oh my Marx, good one; that'll teach the Christians to believe in the utopia we've tried to bring about through several senseless (we don't believe the workers who died fighting for the Revolution get anything materially or immaterially for it, tee-hee) genocides\nJust because I turn the other cheek doesn't mean I gotta keep my tongue |from| it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nMarx and Christ were both Jewish charlatans with an authoritarian ideology"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nOkay Satan"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nI'm no master of the spiritual arts, but goddamn evangelicals gotta be the dumbest people on earth if they like this man. The most obvious demon wearing a man's skin I've ever seen."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nYou mistook christ for (((shitler))), but given youre an amerimutt, I'll forgive you"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nHitler was based unlike cuckrist"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>demon wearing a man's skin\nThat's the perfect description for this fucker but I couldn't put it in words"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtestantism is a mental illness"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nShitler was a kike responsible for millions of dead europeans. What the fuck is wrong with snowniggers worshipping genocidal kikes?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe are creeped out.\nWe have our own Protestantism so we're not in the market to \"buy\" usually.\nWe just ignore these people."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they ARE super creepy salesmen. God needs dollars, lots of dollars, and pastors need $million parsonages, private jets, and a private \"religious\" college of their own. Jim Bakker's lawyer argued in court that his client was only running a business. Pat Robertson held telethons to raise money for a state-of-the-art media center, then quietly sold it! He also used his charity to ship mining equipment to Africa and diamonds out of Africa. If it wasn't \"religion\" they'd be in jail."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nNah that was Jews and communists who did that"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSince the 1950s, some \"Scientific Christians\" began applying advertising/sales methodologies to their preaching, birthing the prosperityfaggot preacher."}, {"id": 32, "content": "I am. Culture is just that so people can do whatever but I view optics different. My man of God is 36 from Africa with dreads wearing whatever freely. You can be as creepy in my mind as anything but if you have power that reveals God, I'd have to really pay attention."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How is Pompeii appearing on maps from 1570 if it is long forgotten?\nhttp://www.pompeiiinpictures.com/pompeiiinpictures/Maps/maps%20bay%20of%20naples.htm"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody bothered to unearth the ruins, but people knew it was there, buried somewhere under the soil deposited by Mount Vesuvius. Only after Schliemann and so on started a craze of excavating archaeological sites, did anyone actually bother to dig up an entire city and look what's there."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHow do they know it was Pompeii since we only knew it was Pompeii when it excavated? What's the point showing ruins on a map? With no indicator it's being ruins?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How and why did firefighting change from literal slave labor to the highest regarded job in modern society? what caused this and what are the implications?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen technology and new building materials and practices enabled fire-fighting to become an actually effect profession. Without pressurised hoses throwing out hundreds of gallons of water 50ft in the air in a matter of minutes, without steel ladders that can be extended hydraulically, and without actual fireproof clothing and breathing apparatus to provide clean oxygen to the men, there is virtually no way of putting out a house fire once it gets going. The only thing firemen of the past could do is remove the furniture from surrounding houses or even demolish the houses entirely, enabling rampant theft and extortion."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDaily reminder that Crassus made his fortune by running a mob like fire brigade"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo he was already rich off of the proscriptions of his political foes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou're mistaken, Crassus was already the richest man in Rome when the proscriptions started"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "On any UK high street the same scenario plays out daily: Christian approaches dawah stall Muslims\n\n>Christian: \"Look at them all leaving Islam in Iran, returning to Jesus\"\n>Salafi: \"Iran is not Muslim, it's full of shirk and Rafida Shias were never Muslim anyway\"\n>Christian: \"Muslims in the Middle East are slaughtering Christians\"\n>Salafi: \"We condemn that but why have Copts and Christians in Iraq been there thousands of years, why haven't Muslims wiped them out if Islam tells us to?\"\n>Christian: \"Boko Haram are kidnapping Christians and killing them\"\n>Salafi: \"We condemn killing of innocents, Boko Haram are khawarij they don't represent Islam\"\n>Christian: \"No, no, no ISIS are killing Yazidis and Christians\"\n>Salafi: \"We have been vocal in condemn khawarij groups they don't represent Islam\"\n>Christian: \"Well I mean what about Afghanistan then? Muslims are fleeing here, they can't wait to get away from your Sharia law\"\n>Salafi: \"Taliban are Deobandi, they have some major problems and do not represent Islam\"\n>Christian: \"Ottomans? look at them they genocided Christians in Armenia\"\n>Salafi: \"First of all Ottomans were full of shirk, they do not represent way of the Salaf\"\n>Christian: \"Did you know Saudi just beheaded 50 people?\"\n>Salafi: \"And do you know what their crimes were? Capital punishment is in the Bible you believe in too\"\n\nChristians are unable to defeat Salafis in argument so just go away for a while then return and regurgitate the same things again"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni hope you abrahamic retards all kill each other"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy don't you become a Christian ?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing wrong with the Taliban."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey are Deobandi pagan and align with Rafida, women education is permissible in Islam"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat does this make belief discussion has to do with the truth of the religion and theology?\nIts like a twitter tier discussion, no one will convert over stuff like this."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou are making takfir of millions of brothers, be careful of what you say\n>women education is permissible in Islam\nyes, but segregated, away from strange men"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't you get bored of making these threads over and over?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntl;dr"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet the fuck out of Europe"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Summary:\n>Christian: Yet another case of Islam falling apart\n>Muslim: Nu-uh. I win btw."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nThey do. And they condemn each other. By OP's logic this strips them of \"representing Islam\" to begin with lmao"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christians are unable to defeat\nHeh..silly"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGOTT SMITES BOTH"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this guy is back being destroyed in every thread he posted\nThe problem is that you're assuming that this is a meaningful statement to non-believers. It just isn't. We do not believe that there is some sort of platonic ideal of Islam that exist. As far as we are concerned anyone who calls themselves a Muslim is one, and we are right in criticizing their behavior, and we a right in holding it against the religion as whole. You might not of realized this, but you r argument actually makes the case for it. While we may see the theological differences between these groups as not significant enough for us to see them as non-Muslims, the fact that groups considered so different internally are all able to to use their religion to justify atrocious acts, indicates that it might be an issue with the religion itself.\nFor your argument to hold up, we have to accept the assumptions that you hold and that we have no reason to hold. The only reason someone on a UK corner would ever come to accept them is because the Muslim speaks aggressively in order to remind their opposition of the gruesome violence they regularly commit against people who even slightly offend them. In a sense this makes the argument laughable because the manner in which it is delivered actively disproves the words their saying."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\natheism is dying out first"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere are so many street dawah like this done by muslim but i never seen one done by christian, why is that?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is freedom of speech really that important?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nonly for me and people i agree with"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFreedom of peach leads to drag queens performing at kindergarden."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat is a result of speech against such things being restricted and the media acting as propagandists."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Always is\n\nYou can say bullshit the real problem is porn"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThis.\n>>1 (OP)\nYeah, but you should definitely have the right to tell idiots who try to shove their shit down society's throat to shut the fuck up"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Being offended is a choice"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">if god were not real, then XYZ\n>XYZ would make me upset, therefore god is real\nWhy is this argument so common?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Pretty sure you’re picking among the weakest arguments atheists have because you don’t have proof of your god or a good excuse as to why you don’t have proof."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's not an atheist argument, it's a religious argument."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>if God is real, then XYZ\n>XYZ would make me upset, therefore God is not real"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHave you ever seen that argument? Because I've seen the one in the OP. It's actually really common"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNotice how you didn’t just provide proof and instead tried to come with an excuse why you’re not posting proof."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI am not religious, I'm a fedora. I'm not sure why I should be providing proof that god exists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIf God is real then he would have to be the most evil and sadistic being to have ever existed.\nThat makes me upset, therefore God is not real or if he is then he is not worth worshiping."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nArguments aiming at proving that god either isn't omnibenevolent or doesn't exist have nothing to do with feefees though."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nWell hey as long as we agree the Christian god isn’t real."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell its not an argument FOR God as much as it is a defense of God as a concept because sometimes you hear\n>I can live perfectly well without God\nthen someone points they live as if there was a divinely mandated criteria in an effort to get them to consider\n>well If I live like there is a God, maybe there is a reason to investigate this honestly and further\nAt least it would cast some doubt on the idea of God being nothing more than mere superstition as it becomes a socially beneficial shared perspective, and from there someone is at least warm to the idea of God's existence."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>they live as if there was a divinely mandated criteria\nBut most people don't. They generally live like there was a feeling of empathy that drives how they look at and evaluate things. Which there is."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nno, most people do live as if there is something meaningful in life beyond the immediate and sensory.\n>they generally live like there was a feeling of empathy\nThey live as if that empathy is worth adhering to."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nEmpathy is an emotion that compels you to help others and not to harm them. Anon this is always a difficult topic but I think you’re missing some normal human software."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nI always find it curious when religious people say that atheism automatically beholdens you to strictly adhering to your animal instincts, but then act as if you need to have some deep justification for acting based on your empathy.\nIt really shows how misanthropic your view actually is."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYeah they’re sociopaths. When they lost their instincts they only think of anti-social, violent and depraved ones. 4chan will unfortunately never be a valuable place to discuss philosophy like this because there are such a large population of anti-social loner outliers that have no idea what it’s like to be a regular person."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>youre not empathetic\nI am, I know what empathy is, but you dont see an issue with empathy being meaningless?\n>it makes me feel good\nso masturbate till you die or OD on heroin, 'feeling good' or rather pursuing feeling good is not going to lead to a satisfying life.\n\nYou arent arguing against Christianity btw, so save your defensive touchy garbage for someone who cares, I am only explaining what Christians are thinking when they make the case OP made.\n\nThis is not the hill for you to die on.\nEmpathy is as meaningful as aggression, racism, sexism, etc. all natural things, if you arent a genocidal racist, like 99% of humans in history, I think you're missing some normal human software.\nFucking imbecile.\n>>15\nI always find it retarded when a Westerner thinks they are independent of their retarded mental culture which is secular and exhausted, and this somehow means spirituality can be reduced to the secular and is practiced by the exhausted.\n>atheism beholdens you to animal instinct\nno one says this, I didnt say this, no one else said this.\nHumans will act like animals, because they are animals, no matter what they believe, however religious beliefs allow for a level of temperance which irreligious or anti-traditional religious beliefs do not.\n>deep justification\npeople live as if there was a deep justification for things, it is actually a popular trope in existentialism where humans seem to have an urge to seek out meaning among the absurd.\n>misanthropic\nWhy do you think I am misanthropic?\nI will help someone in need whether or not there is a God, I will be a racist retard to the next tribe over whether or not there is a God, it is however exclusively the domain of the Religious individual to critique how I live or to nudge me in one way or another.\nYou are seething bugmen who cant actually argue against what I said so you resort to \"youre a pyscho\"\npretend I was a psycho, ok so what?\n>dude youre fucked up\nso what?\npsycho is ultimate will to power."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nYou wrote a lot of text, but you didn't write why I need to justify acting based on empathy and not acting based on lust.\nWith that in mind, I take it that you concede this point. I appreciate it, misanthrope-kun."}, {"id": 19, "content": "God is real, simple as"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>why I need to justify\n\nYou dont, but you live as if you did.\nI dont really care what you do, but you do live as if empathy is the better half of you, as opposed to a default aggression which humans find more naturally when 'untempered'.\ntempering an individual through socialization and parenting is more cerebral and thus more aligned with a systemized ethical belief system."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nYeah anon you’re clearly have anti-social personality disorder, at the very least you have abnormally dark, violent and anti-social thoughts.\nYou are less able to function like a normal person based on your natural impulses. It’s that simple."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>I dont really care what you do, but you do live as if empathy is the better half of you, as opposed to a default aggression which humans find more naturally when 'untempered'.\nYeah because acting like a retard is unfulfilling. And you're also ignoring the fact that both empathy and aggression are \"the default\", which is further showing your misanthropy.\n>tempering an individual through socialization and parenting is more cerebral and thus more aligned with a systemized ethical belief system.\nNone of that is incompatible with my view. If I'm hungry but I have only little food left, I will rationally determine that I can better fulfill the hunger instinct by rationing rather than eating all my food at once. And the same thing applies in social situations. If I'm an empathetic person, I can rationally determine how to channel that empathy more effectively just like I did with hunger in the earlier example.\nIn other words, you've got nothing."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>we live with empathy and see it as meaningful\n>\"heh you have anti social personality disorder\"\nyou want to make that make sense to me? Explain to me like I'm four years old, why me saying \"Empathy is meaningful but existentially is meaningless and is no better or worse than aggression\" means I have some kind dark, violent, anti social thoughts?\n>(You)\nYou have not yet addressed what I said, you have only made attacks on my personal character.\n\nYou have not once explained why you live in a way which is not existentially nihilistic regarding empathy, are you foolish? How would you tell a psycho they are wrong?\nAlso I literally predicted you wouldnt answer this.\n\n>function like a normal person\na normal person?\nCriminals arent normal? black people arent normal? conquerors arent normal?\nWhat is normal? (You), the average muttmerican who mindlessly waddles through life like some secular bovine indifferent to anything beyond its stomach?\n\nYou realize people arent all the same right? like you understand social morays and behavior differ from group to group right? You do understand the world is not solely comprised of yourself correct?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>acting like a retard is unfulfilling\nso why do you defend it?\n>you are ignoring empathy is natural\nI literally said it was natural, you are lying about it now because you have no rebuttal to me pointing out humans are animals and the negative traits in humans are just as valid and natural as the positive traits, and only a religious individual can give any meaningful justification for either of those traits being designated in either way.\n>misanthropy\nwhat is misanthropic about saying humans naturally exhibit both pro and anti social behaviors?\n>none of that is incompatible with my view\nI dont care about your view.\n>youve got nothing\nnope, your rationality is just efficiency, it doesnt actually help you determine in an existential sense why patience is preferable to flying off the handle.\n\nkeep trying.\nYou live as if there is a God, whether there is or is not is irrelevant to this particular instance, you do not live like an existential nihilist.\nSimple as."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">So what if I raped an entire sorority house?\n>yeah Im a psycho, and I just coom in that fresh pucci, what about it?\nbugmenxisters.... our response?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>Empathy is meaningful but existentially is meaningless and is no better or worse than aggression\" means I have some kind dark, violent, anti social thoughts?\nBecause you’re open about the fact that your aggressive anti-social thoughts are more dominant in your mind than your empathy.\nThe way you describe someone without outside control over their behavior is primarily violent and anti-social over empathy, pro-social attitudes and cooperation.\nIt’s your personal flaws.\n\n>How would you tell a psycho they are wrong?\nThey don’t listen, they’re selfish and only respond to punishment or threat of punishment."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>so why do you defend it?\nWhere so I defend it?\n>I literally said it was natural\nAnd I literally didn't say you said it was unnatural in that post. Why are you lying about what I say? Are you that desperate?\n>you have no rebuttal to me pointing out humans are animals and the negative traits in humans are just as valid and natural\nI told you that empathy leads to more fulfilling outcomes. You didn't address that because you're a coward.\n>what is misanthropic about saying humans naturally exhibit both pro and anti social behaviors?\nYou're saying that aggression is naturally above empathy.\n>I dont care about your view.\nYou are saying that my view is hypocritical because it both rejects and implicitly assumes god. Stop being dishonest.\n>nope, your rationality is just efficiency, it doesnt actually help you determine in an existential sense why patience is preferable to flying off the handle.\nFlying off the handle leads to less fulfilling outcomes. You conveniently didn't address that one, curious.\nKeep dancing around the subject, anon-kun. Keep showing off your desperation."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nWhere have I ever once said aggressive anti social thoughts are dominant in my own mind?\nFirst, I have never said that\nsecondly, aggressive anti social thoughts are dominant in all humans BY DEFAULT, children have to be socialized into not being little tyrants. This is just a fact. Humans do not like to share, obey, or curtail their own feelings, go to a daycare and see if you find a utopian commune of uncorrupted humanity LMFAO.\nChildren have to be TAUGHT to be empathetic, to be patient, to be kind, generous, and caring, they display these traits far less often than they do the opposite of these traits when they are in their most “feral” state.\n>the way you describe someone\nNope. I never once said everyone is like this until I mentioned children are less empathetic by default.\nI only said humans have no reason to be empathetic instead of aggressive.\nGo up to a random person and punch them, see if their default response is anger or patience. They probably hit you back or at the very least call the police on you.\nThey are not going to assume “they are having a tough day”\nYou look out your window and you see an empathetic race? Charity abounding amid all the conflict, strife, violent wars?\nWhere do you live that empathy is the default state from cradle to coffin?\n>your personal flaws\nAgain, I never said anything about my individual person or feelings.\nAnd you can’t call them flaws you have no reason to say anti-social behavior is different from pro-social behavior in any meaningful way.\n>you’re flawed\nSo what?\n>repeats that I’m flawed\nYou can say it over and over, you won’t magically find a reason for someone to care.\nThe only case you can make is the case I would make which is humans evolved to see pro-social behavior as superior to anti-social behavior in social contexts, however, humans also evolved religion to codify these behaviors, so atheism is as aberrant as the psychopath, both flaunt evolved social behaviors."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nDenying the socially beneficial aspects of religion is retarded.\nLiving based on empathy alone is retarded.\nYou said I was ignoring that both are natural. I said they were both natural and therefore there is no meaningful distinct between them because both are just behaviors which occur naturally. I didn’t ignore anything.\n>empathy leads to more fulfilling outcomes\nFirstly, it depends on the context.\nSecondly, if that were always true, everyone would do so, so everyone is either retarded, empathy isn’t always fulfilling, or humans don’t seek “fulfillment” in the way you think they do.\n>you didn’t address that\nWhat do you mean? There is nothing to address, empathy is an emotional disposition, it is not a way to seek “the most fulfilling outcome”.\nIf someone killed my dog I would not be satisfied until they were punished sufficiently, I wouldn’t find satisfaction in empathizing with them.\n>you’re saying aggression is naturally above empathy\nI never said that, previously I only said it was natural, you are reading into it or being dishonest, however in the post I just made I said it is the default state of children, which is true.\nEmpathy and Aggression are both emotive responses humans naturally have. You have no reason to choose one over the other. You have no reason to forgive a rapist when you could just as easily strike them down.\nYour view IS hypocritical. I don’t care what you think. It doesn’t matter to me you’re a hypocrite.\n>leads to less fulfilling outcomes\nAgain depends on the context, you won’t be fulfilled if you find yourself in a fight or flight situation and instead try to talk something out with a wolf.\n>desperation\nIronic."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMan I’d just love to stab an atheist to death and watch him die"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nSocial behavior develops in humans through their maturity. The toddler brain is not the brain of an 18 or 20 year old. They gain much more social instinct and advancement as a part of human development.\nOur brains barely work as children and it’s non-sensual to point to a child mind as an adult mind in pretty much any sense.\nAdults with anti-social minds exist, and you’re one of them. I don’t have to try to be cooperative, it’s automatic. I’m compelled to do so internally and I enjoy it. It also brings practical benefits even without the inherent reward.\nYou trying to coax me into being violent and anti-social plays out as a weird sniveling creep trying to justify his own internal misanthropy and mental problems."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nNon-sensical* Jesus"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>You said I was ignoring that both are natural. I said they were both natural and therefore there is no meaningful distinct between them\nI was specifically replying to a post where you said aggression is the default while contrasting it with empathy. I told you that both are the default.\n>Firstly, it depends on the context.\nTrue. When you get mugged, aggression can be more fulfilling.\n>Secondly, if that were always true, everyone would do so, so everyone is either retarded, empathy isn’t always fulfilling\nPeople are shit at working towards long term outcomes, but they still recognize that working towards the long term outcome would've been better. That's nothing new and doesn't go against my argument.\n>What do you mean? There is nothing to address, empathy is an emotional disposition, it is not a way to seek “the most fulfilling outcome”.\nI didn't say that it's a way to seek the most fulfilling outcome, I said that it has more fulfilling outcomes.\n>If someone killed my dog I would not be satisfied until they were punished sufficiently, I wouldn’t find satisfaction in empathizing with them.\nSure, but if you picked up a shotgun and shot the guy, the outcome wouldn't be fulfilling either.\n>I just made I said it is the default state of children, which is true\nThis is totally irrelevant. Other unsocialized animals also act different from socialized animals. You might as well tell an adult bonobo that his pro-social behaviour is hypocritical.\n>You have no reason to forgive a rapist when you could just as easily strike them down.\nLiving in a society without vigilante justice is better.\n>Your view IS hypocritical.\nYou haven't justified that.\n>Again depends on the context, you won’t be fulfilled if you find yourself in a fight or flight situation and instead try to talk something out with a wolf.\nSure. And consequently self-defense widely isn't seen as unethical. What a coincidence, huh?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does it exist?\nTo what extent?\n\nI believe genetics and environmental inputs set practical limits, and that some choices are easier for some to make and more difficult for others, but that people still have some free will. I.e., you can choose to do or not do what you want, but you can not choose what you want to do, a la Schopenhauer. I also believe that there is often enough leeway or freedom to influence what environmental inputs there are, and that that in turn expands or at least shifts the window of options of wills available from which we may freely choose to act upon, regardless of what our unconscious will or desire is towards. I.e. upon learning about this concept of the concept that you may choose to seek new wants, you may choose to seek exposure to new knowledge/information/beliefs whereby you increase options for yourself.\nIn a world without orange trees (to our knowledge) we may not will to pick oranges. In a world in which we are aware of orange trees we may choose to pick oranges, whether we are inclined to pick apples versus oranges or not. Thereby, the freedom to do (or not) what we will is practically indistinguishable from the freedom to will another action.\nThoughts?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompatibilism is determinism in denial."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThere are different gradations of “will.”\nThe universe is not purely deterministic. It operates on probability."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Schopenhauer is easily s tier philospher"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I don't believe in free will. Since how animals react is 100% genetic, they have no real control over their actions, since its all predetermined.\nIf there is a God, who is all powerful and can do whatever, then there is no reason to believe everything that is happening is going according to his plan. So everything has been manipulated in advance to happen.\nYou never had free will."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEveryone has free will and deserves everything they get if they choose poorly, it's just how it is don't ask me to elaborate because it's too complicated."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am a firm believer that since you are forced to eat and breath you inherently have no free will."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nyou're not forced to though\n>>5\nI've seen dogs make decisions."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Causality destroys free will.Its obvious logic. If everything can be traced to a cause then subordinate to the ones that before you."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI agree. Not everything can be traced to a cause though. We live in a probabalistic universe. \"God plays dice.\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Does it exist?\nNo\n> I believe genetics and environmental inputs set practical limits, and that some choices are easier for some to make and more difficult for others, but that people still have some free will. I.e., you can choose to do or not do what you want, but you can not choose what you want to do, a la Schopenhauer. I also believe that there is often enough leeway or freedom to influence what environmental inputs there are, and that that in turn expands or at least shifts the window of options of wills available from which we may freely choose to act upon, regardless of what our unconscious will or desire is towards. I.e. upon learning about this concept of the concept that you may choose to seek new wants, you may choose to seek exposure to new knowledge/information/beliefs whereby you increase options for yourself.\nIn a world without orange trees (to our knowledge) we may not will to pick oranges. In a world in which we are aware of orange trees we may choose to pick oranges, whether we are inclined to pick apples versus oranges or not. Thereby, the freedom to do (or not) what we will is practically indistinguishable from the freedom to will another action.\n\nWrong"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nExplain why?\nYou are a strict determinist?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did peasants cope with their life back then?\nSurely they were self aware of their situation, I guess ignorance is really a blessing."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it wasn't as bad as it's made out to be. And crucially, they didn't know any other kind of life and everyone around them was in the same and making the best of it.\nWhen you're in the pub with your friends and loved ones, everyone's laughing and dancing and having fun, you really don't give a shit that you're all poor"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn any year it sucks to be a poorfag and doesn't completely suck to be a richfag"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do wagies cope with their lives now?\nSurely they are self aware of their situation, I guess ignorance is really a blessing."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHedonism. Consuming shitty entertainment that emphasizes being \"diverse\" over actual quality. Social media. Alcoholism. Suicide"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nPeasants throughout history have always sought out bawdy entertainment, alcoholism and suicide. Some things never change about humanity"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Peasant revolts were common. Without a printing press however the ideas behind them rarely spread. See the true levellers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe same way people get through school and work; via their community and network of friends and family that they've lived with their entire life. They live around eachother, go to mass together, attend festivals together, and do their labors for their lord together. If they get married to someone, it's probably going to be from another family in town, and so the bonds stay together and interweave, because, of the kids who survive, they're going to be interacting with the other kids\nYou know those guys who live in their home town their entire lives and still have the same friends from middle school and now are working together and still going to the same restaurant? It's like that"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope with what? They lived in a welfare system designed to cater to them and only had work to do for less than half the year"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>only had work to do for less than half the year\nThat was what their landlord required. They still had to work for themselves on their own farm, so it was like having a full time job as well as a part time job that you don't get paid for"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did peasants cope with their life back then?\nThe same way you do"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhy did so few people in the world care about freedom and rights prior to 1776? What exactly were they doing for thousands of years?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>Yesss GOYIMS, believe the pilpul! Everyone has always been raped by niggers, it's just how things work!"}, {"id": 14, "content": "community dances, drinking and fucking, mostly"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>What exactly were they doing for thousands of years?\nTrying to survive and north starve. Before we had the tech, that stuff took all your time."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith religion"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nThey were the equivalent of ghetto niggers committing robberies and going on drive bys. They had no conception of universal rights because their definition of freedom was \"literally doing whatever the fuck I want: raping, stealing, murdering, I can do it because I'm bigger and I have a bitching sword and a coat of mail\""}, {"id": 18, "content": "They had drink, we have drugs.\nThey had song and dance, we have various bing bang wahoos.\nThey had (ideally) a wife, we have Tinder or porn.\nThey had church and community, we have 4chan(nel).\nThey had clannishness and a village mentality and later, nationalism, we have chud shit to get worked up about.\n\nPlus ça change"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nDAS RITE YT BOI"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSerfs had families, wives and kids. Your wageslaving incel ass will die alone and childless.\n>Verification not required"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>4\nWagies are not aware of their situation. Most of them do not even know that their work is stolen by Blackrock/Vanguard. Most people do not even know that there are shareholders, who get dividends, of your work."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nUpwards of 70% of Americans do not work for large corporations (in the US at least) but small to mid sized companies."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Top 10 most famous anglos\n>Is actually Irish\nWhat are other historical facts get brushed under the table?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe have one of those haha\n>Top 10 most famous Irish\n>Was actually a French Protestant"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>French Protestant\nAbsolutely disgusting"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was Anglo-Irish, AKA an Englishman"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Irish\n>White"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhat?\nWhen did I mention race in any way?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHe's just an Anglo NPC that seethes anytime anyone talks about the Irish"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI'm an anglophile bu the hate for the Irish goes too far."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>most famous french person\n>is actually italian"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIt's just autists online, seen it many times they admit it's because Irish are considered turbo-normies because they're outgoing and other normal people like them. Just contrarianism"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAnglos are the first people who started selecting males for intellectual capabilities rather than looks en masse. It's only natural that they're so autistic nowadays."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI've seen you post this before pal, don't know where you got that idea but it's simply not true"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nneither he nor the irish of the time thought he was irish"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>It's not true even doe it most certainly is\n'thetic"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNo, fuck off. The average Englishman is dense as a rock\n>but muh aryan übermensch Anglo-Normans n shiet\nPure meme, no substance"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\n>Is actually nafri\nfixed"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n'Irish' identity, nationality, ethnicity and their alleged culture were entirely an invention of the early 20th century. They're just another sub-unit of the United Kingdom, but with funnier accents and more of an alcohol problem than Scotland."}, {"id": 18, "content": "I never realized how much variety there actually was to civil war uniforms."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah at the time all of Ireland was part of Britain"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwere completely braindead and incompetant and only won important battles because they had more money than the opponent half the time"}, {"id": 21, "content": "the best italian tennis player right now is from south tirol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How important was the annexation of Alsace-Lorraine after the Franco-Prussian War?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Single most defining event of a two century span. The most crucial strip of land in the world."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCan you be serious? It wasn't that important."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Very important. It had major iron and coal mines in it and annexation made France's border less easy to defend."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat role did it play in WW1?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was important because it poisoned Franco-German relations and ensured that France would be on the opposite side of any large war involving Germany."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWasn't France always fiercely anti-German? Ex. The 7 Years' War."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nFrance's only natural enemy is Germany, so yes, regardless of whether or not Germany annexed Elsass-Lothringen France would side against Germany in any major European war no matter what."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was important for German unification because the southern German states insisted on annexing it. They wanted a buffer between them and France."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nAh that makes sense"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Leader of the world's foremost superpower assassinated by literal communist/sympathizer\n>Nothing happened out of it\nWhy was there a little reaction from the America government? This assassination should be grounds for an invasion of Cuba just like 9/11 for the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.\n>inb4 muh nukes\nCuba had removed their nukes back when the assassination happened"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause in the end it was just a lone nut with a mail order rifle, no matter what schizos tell you"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nKeep drinking the slop, goy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOswald wasn't a communist, he was a fucking glowie.\n>This assassination should be grounds for an invasion of Cuba just like 9/11 for the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions\nClay Shaw, the man who ordered Lee Harvey Oswald to kill President John F. Kennedy, belonged to the precursor of the World Trade Centers Association (of the 9/11 Twin Towers), called Centro Mondiale Commerciale (better known as Permindex)."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe Warren Commission is available for public reading online. Here Dallas PD officer Roger D. Craig confirming that Oswald had a getaway driver, directly contradicting the \"lone gunman\" narrative."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Cuba had removed their nukes back when the assassination happened\nIt's hard to say how the USSR would've responded but the most reasonably drastic reaction to a U.S. invasion of Cuba would be to seize West Berlin.\n\nOswald being both a \"communist\" and a \"lone wolf\" allowed the assassination to be blamed on the commies without necessitating any kind of military response, since after all, he was just operating on his lonesome. War is an extreme way to get what you want, it's usually better to get what you want short of war. If hardliners in the U.S. killed JFK because he wasn't tough enough on the commies, or because they worried he'd move toward reapproachment, it doesn't necessarily mean they wanted an actual war."}, {"id": 7, "content": "How do lone gunman proponents explain Jack Rubenstein assasinating Oswald? At the very least this is strong evidence of involvement by the Jewish mafia. The mafias connection to Zionism and Kennedys insistence on nuclear non proliferation focusing on Dimona provides another possible motive. Then there’s LBJ and the Texas oil magnates… A lot of people wanted Kennedy gone. I don’t profess to know what happened, but it seems to me anyone believing the lone gunman story is hopelessly naive."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe Centro Mondiale Commerciale was founded by a Hungarian Jew named George Mandel who had deep connections with Israel and the Mossad. A primary shareholder in Permindex was the Banque De Credit International of Geneva, founded by Tibor Rosenbaum, an arms procurer and financier for the Mossad. That bank was used by Mafia Boss Meyer Lansky to launder hot money. The Chairman of the Board at Permindex was Louis Bloomfield, a Canadian Jew and close associate of Edgar Bronfman. His father Samuel Bronfman was a bootlegging partner of Lewis Rosenstiel and the Mafia during the Prohibition of Alcohol in US, his brother Charles Bronfman is one of the founders of the Mega Group, a coalition of Jewish billionaires with links to Mossad/CIA/MI6 and the Mafia syndicate led by Meyer Lansky, who who blackmailed J. Edgar Hoover and was a great contributor/agent of the ADL (less known as B'nai B'rith, but not as unknown as their fellow Knights of the Golden Circle, who are better known as the Ku Klux Klan). Edgar Bronfman also had long standing connections with the Rothschilds dating back before WWII. Les Wexner, another founding member of the Mega Group, donated his Manhattan mansion to Jeffrey Epstein, which became the center of his blackmail operations."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>>8\nClay Shaw, who was also said to have known Jack Ruby, was said to perform sadomasochistic rituals at his home. Following his arrest, his lavish residence was searched and police found a long black robe and hood along with whips, chains, and hooks affixed to the ceiling of one room, with what appeared to be faint impressions of bloody handprints. Shaw's maid told them that there was an incident. apparently covered up, where someone had been killed in the house. Shaw's address book was, curiously, filled with members of the European aristocracy, including a Princess Anne Jacqueline de Riquet de Caraman-Chimay. The Chimay family was implicated in Belgium's pedophile ring (Dutroux Affair), accused of organizing sick child-hunts on their vast estates. Dutroux Affair documents named Abrasax as the name of the highest cult order.\n\nCharles Manson proclaimed himself Abrasax. Manson was a member of the Process Church of the Final Judgment, which was incorporated into the US by Tommy Baumler, who was a defense witness of Clay Shaw during his trial in New Orleans, the same place where the Church of the Process was incorporated in the US before moving to California and the reopening of the investigation of the JFK Assassination by Jim Garrison against Clay Shaw took place. Manson also claimed that Roman Polanski and other Hollywood stars, who were also connected to Process Church, made Snuff Films and Child Pornography. The term \"Snuff Films\" btw comes from Ed Sanders' book \"The Family: The Story of Charles Manson's Dune Buggy Attack Battalion\"."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThe Process Church of course had its roots in London, the global center of banking, intelligence, and arguably mind control, the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations outlining plans for \"societry\" - i .e. the methodologies developed in laboratories under programs like MK-ULTRA being applied to society as a whole. The Process was founded by Scientologists, who belonged to the British wing of the Church of Scientology founded by L. Ron Hubbard, who had been employed by the Office of Naval Intelligence and who was a disciple of Aleister Crowley, prominent English satanist and longtime MI6 agent. Some of Crowley's drug-fueled rituals were subsidized by CIA as part of MK-ULTRA. Hubbard had been involved with Crowley's Agape Lodge in the U.S., alongside rocket scientist Jack Parsons - a co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory as well as Aerojet. Parsons' team included Frank Malina whose son Roger married Ghislaine Maxwell's sister Christina, the Malinas owning a company that built FBI's counterterrorism database. Ghislaine Maxwell was allegedly photographed with JonBenet Ramsey, and is represented by Hal Haddon's law firm, which has represented John Ramsey since 1996. Haddon's firm also represented Hunter Thompson in a sexual assault case, Thompson being accused of involvement in snuff films by Paul Bonacci in the Franklin case (curiously, after Thompson's 'suicide' a friend of his said he'd once tried to show her a snuff film, and angrily threw her out of his house when she refused). The prosecutor who dropped charges against Hunter Thompson was Milton Blakely, who prosecuted Ted Bundy for the murder of Caryn Campbell despite evidence pointing to other suspects. Haddon had been the power behind Sen. Gary Hart's political career, Hart urging W. Bush to \"use this disaster [9/11] to carry out ... a new world order\" at a CFR meeting on Sep. 12, 2001. H.W. Bush, who was implicated in Franklin, announced the \"new world order\" on Sep. 11, 1990."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do the British really gravitate towards Islam because of their mental qualities, or is this an operation of the UK secret services to infiltrate the Islamic community?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's just glowies"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Islam is alot more present in the UK than in the US. more % of population, more people in the street. eventually some bloke is gonna get curious and convert\n\nMuslims in US, generally keep their head down because we spy on them and have large groups of christians who hate them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe latter"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Timothy Winter's (Hakim Murad) lectures are amazing. True, neo-traditional Islam is beautiful and fit for the British soul."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nWhat ever happened to this guy? Remember watching a lot of videos of his antics in the early 2010s. Is he still a Muslim?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThis, Spycops revealed that like, pretty much all the Socialist orgs in the UK were literally run by Glowies.\nSpycops court inquiry is only up to the 80s at the moment, but when it hits the post 9/11 era 00s in a few years it's going to be wild."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nhttps://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2017/04/28/islamic-extremism-my-first-prison-sentence-only-cemented-my-ideology\n\nthat is from 2017. can't find anything newer with him"}, {"id": 9, "content": "How did this guy get to Saudi Arabia and how did he learn Arabic?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/@ObaydFox/videos"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nwe already have philistines and they look like this so yes"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\n>we already have philistines and they look like this so yes\nDo you have a g25 model with Pihilistines?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "wow...."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ni'm on my phone, so no. The samples are from iron age ashkelon if you want to look yourself."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nso basically everything related to indians was done by nordic aryans? its over..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nyes, indians are a servant race, the whole caste system in india is based on aryan ancestry retention"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nits over, so this is why dravidian hijra pygmies are locked into reservations?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nyes yes basically, all Intellectuals, warriors, leaders, philosophers, elites, etc of india were aryans, while all dalits and shudras the native aboriginal stone age hijras"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>unknown (OP)\n\nYes, some look strongly northern Mediterranean. Philistine ancestry seems to range between mycenean like to anatolian like which is quite distinct from levantine north african."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm not familiar with ancient Athenian polotics."}, {"id": 2, "content": "what fucking video at least link it you fag\ndo you expect me to telepathically know what you're talking about"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can I go to confession if I only received baptism at birth?\nI'm returning to Catholicism after a prolonged period of abstinence of life in general.\n\nAlso should I simply say \"masturbation\" or can I use an euphemism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Also should I simply say \"masturbation\" or can I use an euphemism?\n\"Masturbation\" isn't a vulgar word. Just don't call it something like \"whacking off\" and you'll be fine."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Yes you should go to confession, technically you can also receive the Eucharist after confession since you're baptized, but the priest will probably explain to you the need for RCIA."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>the need for RCIA.\nIn my parish we can bypass that if we have been baptized at birth but we have to take some office hours to show understanding of the theory."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. You cannot go to confession if you are unbaptised or excommunicated."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\ni wish i had that option, i've read countless works from the fathers and the canons from the councils, i can't sit in a class again where some boomer tells me \"God is love\" and hell isn't real lol"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWell I live in a Catholic nation with Catholic holidays being national work free days so I guess it's different here because the whole culture is rooted in Catholicism."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nOffer it up"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\ni say \"tickling my pickle\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is confession actually like? Do you actually admit that you jerk off too pornhub to some virgin priest?\nI was fucked my girlfriend last night and licked her pussy before and after\nDoes that make me a sinner?\nHow would a priest react to that?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n\nYou can just say \"I fornicated\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>I was fucked my girlfriend last night and licked her pussy before and after\n>and after"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All the Christianity prior to 1517 had bishops (who were ordained as bishops by a previous generation of bishops who were made bishops by the original 12 apostles). Whether it was in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Any form of \"Christianity\" without bishops is modern, unhistorical, and unbiblical."}, {"id": 2, "content": "All Christianity post 1517 has bishops too, the question is just what a bishop is. Catholics conceded the argument a century ago that the episcopate was an innovation in the early centuries of the church, the new testament and ante Nicene church being more like presbyterian and congregationalism.\n\nA majority of catholic priests cannot trace their episcopal lineage past the 1550s, ironically making protestant ordination more trustworthy in many cases."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBased Dirk setting the record straight"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\nReally who's the presiding bishop over the church in OP's picture?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n\nPresbyter and priest are synonyms and mean the same thing. Regardless of what your cucked Sunday school teacher tried to teach you."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI think Lakewood has a plurality of elders (pastors)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nWhere can i read more about this?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipione_Rebiba?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThanks Dirk. I kinda been absent from /his/ for a long time. Whats the story behind you?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI'm just a guy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nJust rereading the article on bishop rebiba, it's not simply a majority, it's 95% of living bishops and every pope since innocent xii (d. 1700)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhy is it so hard to find out who consecrated the guy, shouldn't there be records somewhere?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt was never recorded or it was lost\nIf you're conspiracy minded maybe he was an illegitimate political appointment and bypassed the legal methods"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n\nIn the New Testament. Presbyteros = Catholic priest and Episkopos = Catholic bishop."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThat's not a translation and your image is tacky"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n\n>protcuck criticizing other people's art.\n\ni kek'd."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>>13\nThere was a fire at the place that held his papers. To consecrate other bishops you need two other bishops with you. He worked directly with the Pope, led the Inquisition and did plenty of other cool shit that makes clear that he was actually a bishop.\nAlso you can trace the other two bishops that participated in his ordinations, he couldn't just have gone around making people bishops lmao. It's just his particular document that has been lost, not his credibility."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>>12\nAdding onto this, up until around the 1100s there was no ritual done at all for most Bishops, they were just accepted as a Bishop by someone else. There was no training or special induction needed, you just needed some other Bishop to say you were one now. Most Bishops were thus either given their authority by buying the position, being elect to the position by secular nobility, or being granted it as a reward for military service.\n\nAs an example, the Danish chronicler Saxo Grammaticus was a soldier who fought for Absalon, who was himself a nobleman that was elected, by secular nobility, to the position of Bishop of Roskilde due to his promises to form an army to go raid the Wends (Slavic tribes to the east). This position may have been granted to him by his father (Absalon's father Asser Rig may or may not be the Bishop Asser who transfered the ownership of the Bishopric to Absalon). Absalon then promised the Pope that he would purge Denmark of Greek Orthodox influence, and as such his uncle (the Bishop of Lund) transferred the Bishopric of Lund to him (the Pope made a special allowance for this due to Absalon's attacks on the Greek Orthodox, as normally you're only allowed to own one Bishophric).\n\nAt no point was Absalon given any kind of special training or ritual investment, all of these transfers were done via letters.\n\n>>17\n>he couldn't just have gone around making people bishops lmao\nYes, he could, and people did. This was a huge problem up until like, the 1500s. The entire reason that the Catholic Church practices clerical celibacy is because Priests would just declare their children to be bishops and deacons and then bequeath them church property."}, {"id": 19, "content": "The Bishops and Clergy stole the power from the original Christians just to become the new priest class of the old Polytheistic religions. Christianity is founded on the poor, downtrodden, whores and lepers uniting as one, then suddenly these guys show up say \"actually you have to respect me and my pointy hat and gibs me lots of money and build me large Gold Houses and I have political authority over you btw\" and that's how we got kings subscribing to a specifically anti-king anti-imperial religion. Catholicism was an immediate bastardization of the religion by just taking the old model and shoving it into Christianity. There's a reason the original \"Priests\" were just guys who went ascetic in the desert."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nProtestant art mogs"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n\nbased and redpilled. all protcucks and baptists will burn in hell"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\nI don't understand what I'm supposed to get from this. Was he the first bishop?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect, only the Catholic and Orthodox have validly ordained priests."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat was the class of these bishops? They were either nobility, the rich, and the powerful or knew someone that was! Did your parishioners have ANY say on who their leaders were? You already know that the answer to that is No!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Homo Sapiens is roughly 200k years old\n>history we know about so far go from 10k approximately from where we go from throwing stones to send robots to Mars\nthe other 190k?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The other 190k is strong grug kills weak grug and takes his wife as a sex slave"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIn 190k he commits suicide because of guilt"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThings were happening; we just didn't write any of it down."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWe did. Ever heard of cave paintings?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the other 190k?\nSpent on developing adequate mental faculties for civilization and waiting out the ice age"}, {"id": 7, "content": "imagine being the first guy to swing his fist real hard\nI doubt boxing was always instinctual, rather than tearing at each other like animals, the fist fight era must’ve been insane"}, {"id": 8, "content": "A lot of that 190k was spent on developing tools, domestication of animals, and agriculture, you need big food surpluses before you can start having things like full-time scientists making robots and sending people to the moon."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo it is not"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet me guess the universe the Earth and the continents are trillions of years old or something and the only proof for that is what some crooks thought would take for the so-called geological events to take place"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was at least a bronze-age tier civilization once that was a nearly global empire. Then the younger dryas happened and the world returned to Grug-tier, slowly crawling back over the last 10k years."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>>10\nImagine posting shit like this on a history board."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nBased and Hancock-pilled."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nHistory is fake. No reliable records from before JFK survive."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>mental faculties\nas evolving the brain you mean? or setting the though and its process right?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYeah I only trust JFK and the KJV."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>15\nwhy do you keep asking this question >>6 is the answer\n\nthis is what an \"Egyptian\" looked like 35000 years ago, the real answer should be obvious to anyone who has lurked on 4chan long enough"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople in power didnt care about collecting and preserving knowledge until the last 2k years. Nothing makes me rage like each incidence of some leader being anti-reading or anti-book/scroll and burning a shitload of texts because he saw the scholar class as a threat to his power. What did we lose at Timbuktu or Alexandria?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP) (OP)\n>>15\nand here's a map of the climate before the ice age ended (last glacial period) around 9700 BC, as you can see the climate was bad for agriculture, as a result human populations were low and mostly nomadic hunter gatherers that didn't have the ability to build civilizations"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Timbuktu\nthings already stored in other islamic libraries\n\n>Alexandria\ntomes of greek plays, maybe some more detailed accounts of history and technology but nothing hugely significant\n\n>WHAT ABOUT HECKIN' ATLANTISAROO\na myth loosely based on akrotiri"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> the other 190k?\n\nWhy didn’t ze jew in ze sky send his magic son during that time?"}, {"id": 22, "content": "There's no reason to believe that civilizations didn't exist during the other gorillion years and then just collapsed. I believe humans have lived on earth for millions if not billions of years but regular catastrophes prevented them the mantainment of their technological and societal advances. It is even possible that there are colonies of humans on other planets and the contact to them was lost because of collapse."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>meds\n>forest steppe\nseems just nice?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "People making a big deal out of homo sapien \"chins\" miss the obvious. A chin is simply the bone projection remaining after a reduction in the Maxilla and Mandible."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Missing from this gif is the reduction in skull length, shown here."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNowhere near enough. It's sort of like if the face didn't fully grow and push forward."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Also the prefrontal cortex gets squished as the result, it was proportionally much longer on erectus."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNah I stand by my statement. The morphologcal human canvas is made clear by simple reductions in brow ridge and Jaw and a general trim of bone mass in the skull and nose."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI agree that the chin is just an artifact, I mean you didn't reduce it anywhere near enough, it's far more dramatic than your gif suggests. Note the UA 31 above had 995 ccm brain volume, near the bottom end of normal modern human range."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nTotal size of the brain and volume in general is not taken into account here, that can increase or decrease regardless. Neither are exact proportions taken into account. All my edits show is a possibility and I think most likely way human faces formed. Obviously my 5 min edits aren't flawless but the canvas is there."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Neotenization came far later and mostly resulted from self-domestication, not ancient admixture lol."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nInitial Neotenization a is pre-Erectus event. It then happened several times more."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNeoteny might be the key for the human brain growth mystery."}, {"id": 11, "content": "My grandpa wasn't a fish"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNo, but he was an amphibian. Your dad a reptile and your great grandpa a lobe-finned fish."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nI mean the brain case isn't that much smaller than in a typical modern person, you also need to create the forehead.\n>>8\n>self-domestication\nHow would it happen? It doesn't seem to be possible, or even make sense.\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\nEast Asians are said to be more neotenous, but their faces are bigger."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>People making a big deal out of homo sapien \"chins"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nSource of these skulls? Thus seems to be Jebel irhoud not Homo Erectus. Homo erectus skulls looked like apes"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nh"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\n>>unknown\n>>3\nWhat studies are these from?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nYou will never be med."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\n>File: 626cb1ff3aef49503173dd6c8(...).jpg (33 KB, 460x600)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy did you post a brazilian?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nThat's Homo rhodesiensis, not Erectus, dumbass."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nWhat a shame his site died."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nSite?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown\na"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>humans are reduced form of a small brained monke\nbased humans"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nHe used to have a page at Themandus.org. You can probably find it on the web archive, though."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>13\nThe self-domestication theory says that traits that are better for society, being more compliant, being more docile and willing to follow a leader, being less aggressive and violent, became selected for in the same way that we selected for those traits in Aurochs to make cattle. Those that weren't good at being part of society, that didn't express 'domesticated' traits, were killed or exiled for being disruptive. Over time, and due to humanity's quick and rapid breeding cycle, this selected for more and made dominant more and more of those traits.\nThis started well before settled society, as most of these rules apply to even nomadic neolithic hunter-gatherers.\n\nI don't necessarily believe it, but thats the theory as far as I know."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\n>blacks have chimp faces\n>posts a picture of a woman with a flat face\nlol?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\nThis seems very phenotypical.\nHeavy brows and larger jaws vary between individuals a lot."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>15\nThat is a horrifically outdated Homo erectus. Early Homo erectus looked more ape-like, but a million years later they started to look more human."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\nhttps://www.sci.news/othersciences/anthropology/science-hominin-face-evolution-01976.html\nhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631068316301567"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nThat doesn't make any sense. The majority of animals doesn't attack its own species, or only in some ritualized forms. Why didn't any other species \"self domesticate\"?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nI'd even argue that\n>being more compliant, being more docile and willing to follow a leader, being less aggressive and violent,\nis very bad for society, as it leads to people being followed for no reason, which allows bad leaders to lead the society to its doom.\n>This started well before settled society, as most of these rules apply to even nomadic neolithic hunter-gatherers.\nOnly nomadic hunter gatherers societies are rule based. There has never been a succesful civilized society that was rule based. Legalism wasn't abandoned because people didn't like to listen, but because in made the society collapsed. Rules can only work in tiny bands where everyone can watch everyone else, and people may afford the spare time to quibble over who deserves the liver."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nI don't think the assumption that they didn't is correct. Axolotls are permanently neotenous as well, some birds might be as far as I can tell. I don't see how \"not attacking its own species\" is the distinct trait here, the implication is clearly large-scale social organisation, you should be looking at bees and ants."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>is very bad for society, as it leads to people being followed for no reason, which allows bad leaders to lead the society to its doom.\nIt's objectively better to have a bad leader than no leader. Your idealistic minmaxx preferences are irrelevant.\n>Only nomadic hunter gatherers societies are rule based.\nWhich is what 99% of human existence was, so that would be what our biology evolved to, but what the fuck kind of statement is this? Name 1 non-rules-based society, I swear to god these retards have no equal."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>14\nITT: Anons realize that facial features in relation to attractiveness don't actually matter that much.\n\nEven if you got no chin, someone out there will fuck you. Just stop giving a shit and enjoy what little time you have instead of giving a shit about some bones."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nPlenty of social insects are extremely agressive. Bees were domesticated by people, and they still sting occasionally.\n>>35\n>It's objectively better to have a bad leader than no leader.\nNo it isn't. Imagine a stupid leader who thinks that throwing food on the field is a stupid obsolete custom and a myth that wastes food, and bans sowing.\n>Name 1 non-rules-based society,\nVirtually all advanced societies were based on honor or face, the latter seems a little bit better. Those that abandoned it in favor of rules (such as qin dynasty china) collapsed in utter chaos very quickly."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is it a celtic or germanic nation?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMostly celtic"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Jabawockiez nashun famz nigga"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonorary Germanics like the Finns"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nPic unrel"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermanic.\nWith a Celtic language spoken by a tiny amount of people.\nNot Celtic because Celts came from continental Europe.\nTheir supposed 'Celtic' ancestry derives from their insular Bell Beaker-descended ancestors."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nproof?\nmodern scots identify as celtic"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfrican\nhttps://youtu.be/han3AfjH210 [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfrican Subcontinental Afro-Caribbean Hong Konger mix."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nPic rel"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's neither, just another anglo-rapebaby nation."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>modern scots identify as celtic\n\nhow heckin valid of them"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n?????"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncelt"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nthen why don't they speak a celtic language?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAfrican americans speak germanic, are they germanic?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nonly if others choose to view them that way"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\n>modern scots identify as celtic\nDoesn't matter. 'Celtic' is a bullshit larp identity."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nproof?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Celtic, unless you're some eternally assmad English weirdo who needs to sate his coagulated ichor blood's desire to dismantle Gaelic identity."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>gaelic identity\nLARP\nScotland is a fake nation\nYour \"national dish\" haggis, is first recorded in a medieval english cookbook\nYour \"national dress\", the kilt, was invented by an englishman, and is only worn due to cringe romantic LARP revivalism\nYour \"wars of independence\" were a inter-norman feud, fought by norman lords controlling english speaking peasants on both sides. Robert the bruce was of norman aristocrat stock, william wallace was a welsh-norman aristocrat\nYour \"national instrument\", the bagpipe, is not native to scotland and is played in england, ireland, and all across europe and the middle east\nYour \"national epic\", the ossian, is a fraud and a forgery\nYour \"national figures\" are almost all of lowland origin, with anglo saxon last names\nYour \"country\" is fake"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nwhat is \"gaelic identity\" and how do scottish people express it?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIt is when you bitch and moan nonstop about being oppressed by England, even if you never actually really were"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">Anglo recites angry little post on cue\nImagine living on THIS board day to day."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYou are an anglo, porridge wog, although you keep trying to deny it"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nThe Scots, Welsh and Irish didn't call themselves Celts before around 300 years ago"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLowlands and the Northern Isles are Germanic\nHighlands are Celtic"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nA rare instance of you actually creating a new post in one of your threads, I think.\nPlease don't let me know this was another line you pulled up from your .txt"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>A rare instance of you actually creating a new-ACK!"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\nSo Mexicans are Celtic also? Same with Brazilians and 25% of African Americans?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\npeople didn't call themselves homo sapiens before 250 years ago so I guess that's a larp as well lol. Brainlet"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\nkek\nIt's hilarious how much of Scottish identity is just a larp that they've just run with"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\n>>32\n>English come to Scotland\n>begin recording the sophisticated Scots with a marvelous reverent awe\n>Britards larping as Saxons (no Anglo exceeds 45% Saxon) pretend they invented Scottish culture because they were glorified scribes taken in by the Highland Lairds."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>sophisticated Scots\nlmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "They sure dont built them like they used to anymore huh?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Roads are still done this way but thicker and paved over because trucks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou ain't never seen a road under construction? fucking double gorilla nigger. slide thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">N-No! Why doesn’t this Omnipotent deity make sense?! Muh immovable rock!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I have reached Gnosis."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know what the christians where thinking but that's not a trinity"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm more comfortable worshipping God as just \"God\". That's what Abraham and Moses did, so even if Nicene Christianity is true I have hope in Gods mercy since at least I'm not idolating"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat pick makes me realize how sad it is that in christianity the father and the holy spirit are ignored, instead they only worship jesus."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus said the Father is greater than him. Therefore they cannot be interchangeable as God. To say otherwise is to disregard Jesus on the matter."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Doesn't make sense\nDemonstrate the logical contradiction involved in the doctrine of the trinity as expressed by trinitarians"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThat’s Arianism which is heresy according to Nikea"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n...Jesus, who was fully Man and fully God, said that the Father, who was fully God, therefore unrestrained by the limitations and temptations of the flesh, was greater than Him? Surprising."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No matter your political stance, there is no historical reason for Taiwan to be separated from mainland China"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsneed"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree. The communist bandits occupying the mainland should surrender unconditionally and hand power over to the KMT."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy should they do that?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWhat makes the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War any different from any other civil war?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNothing. The KMT seized power through violence from the legitimate ROC government in Beijing in the same way."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there is no historical reason for Taiwan to be separated from mainland China\nYes there is. It's called a fucking sea."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no historical reason for Taiwan to be separated from mainland China\nBut there is. The commies failed to take it. That is literally the historical reason."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nCommunists are illegitimate as an ideology and shouldn’t be honored or respected"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there is no historical reason for Taiwan to be separated from mainland China\nNot even Alfred Wegener's theory of Continental Drift?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI literally said in the beginning of the post \"No matter your political stance\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-cES1Ekto&pp=ygUSYWxmcmVkIHdhZ25lciBzb25n [Embed]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nOk, then the bandits occupying the mainland should surrender to the Republic of China"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBut these \"bandits\" won the Civil War"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe Japanese controlled bandits occupying Taiwan should surrender to Beijing or eat Chinese ordinance"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Taiwan should be returned to the Japanese desu"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>The Japanese controlled bandits occupying Taiwan\ncope"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>historical reason\nbeyond that fact they lost control of it in 1895, only had it \"returned\" because the US curbstomped the Japanese, and the fact that government in the mainland never once had any presence on the island?\nnot to mention the fact that historically the first organized polity to control the island were European colonizers particularly the Dutch. Koxinga took the island from them because he needed a holdout against the Qing, and the Qing seriously debated just abandoning the island entirely after the wiped out the Ming loyalists holding it (and in any case they forced most Han Chinese to leave), they only kept it for fear of the same situation happening again. from there it was an irrelevant backwater that didn't even warrant being its own province - until fears about European encroachment in the 19th century led to that.\n>b-but muh ethnically Chinese population\nas retarded as a Brit claiming there's no Historical reason for America to be separated from the UK"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nThe war is ongoing, the Republic of China never surrendered\n\n>>15\n>MUH NIPPONESE\n\nNot an argument."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there is no historical reason for Taiwan to be separated from mainland China\nI can think of one"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nKMT lost. Rule of the strong."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>were European colonizers particularly the Dutch.\n\nThe Dutch were literally ordered to go there by Ming China after the Ming defeated the Dutch in the Pescadores Penghu islands in 1624. Before that Chinese pirates and seasonal traders regularly inhabited the southwest part of Taiwan and the Ming launched an expedition against the pirates before ordering the Dutch there\n\n>Qing seriously debated just abandoning the island entirely after the wiped out the Ming loyalists holding it\n\nNobody was wiped out in 1683, Zheng Keshuang surrendered after ghe naval battle of the pescadores with Shi Lang and everyone was spared.\n\nHan banner commander Shi Lang and his Han navy led the fighting on the Qing side. Manchu bannermrn and officers didn't even know how to use boats.\n\nHan banner commander Shi Lang countermanded Manchu officials and the Kangxu Emperor who wanted towithdraw. Shi Lang had Taiwan annexed as a prefecture of Fujian."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTectonic plates made it separate from the mainland you retard."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Esl Chinks/Taiwanigs arguing in this thread now. Thanks retards. The yellow hordes have arrived.\n\nNobody cares who owns you."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>KMT lost\n\nThen why is the Republic of China free?"}, {"id": 26, "content": "No matter your political stance, there is no historical reason for mainland China to be separated from the Republic of China."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nCause of US interference"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nwhen your entire economy is focused around making microprocessors for fat Walmart nation and you are stuck on a giant rock you are not \"free\""}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>Rule of the strong\nTaiwan is free. Rule of the strong."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>claims to be the legitimate government of China\n>only owns 1 island\n\nRule of the strong"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>only owns 1 island\nObjectively incorrect. In any case, you're arguing that there's no reason for Taiwan to be independent, not that they aren't the government of mainland China."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nBased and true\n\n>>27\nBased America guaranteeing the sovereignty of free, democratic republics\n\nYa gotta love it\n\n>>28\n>you can’t have a technology driven economy becaus of uhhhhh f-fat people or something\n\nMainland malnutrition really has rotted your brain huh?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nROC are the only ones trying to fulfil the vision of Sun Yat-sen, they have the mandate of heaven and are destined to occupy all of mainland China once the PRC collapses due to internal unrest."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nthese borders are kino"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nexactly"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>he buys into democracy meme\n\nRead Siege"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nthe PRC also claim Sun Yat-Sen's heritage too"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnegative IQ take"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nGlow harder"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\nuh oh american democracy bros, how do we explain this one?\n\nhttps://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nWhat's the problem with that? Letting the unwashed masses dictate the nation's policy is not the hallmark of a superior system."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\nI don’t love democracy but it’s superior to communism\n\n>>40\n>commie apologist complaining about elite control"}, {"id": 43, "content": "You dont reason with communists OP.\n\nThis is how China will look like when the war is won."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n> nothing of value was lost.\nIt's as if the US lost the Sino-American War and somehow ended up with independent Puerto Rico, Alaska and, I don't know, Utah."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nHow do you expect a war to be won against a nuclear power? Do you seriously think having a nuclear war is worth this?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>can’t win through diplomacy\n>can’t win a conventional war\n>spergs out and starts threatening nuclear warfare\n\nWhy are communists so pathetic and evil?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>Chinese heartland united with Taiwan\n>minorities get their small countries\nbased"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nwhat kind of diplomacy do you think is going to cause that map. sorry but \"communism bad becuz america free china 1984 6 gorillion mudslimes no iphone\" isnt gonna work"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>43\n>Hong Kong and Macau not restored\n>Taiwan gets Chonged\n\nWhy?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>unknown\nYes China is a dystopia which puts minorities such as Muslims and Faulan Gong in concentration camps. We all know this."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>3\nBased"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nDilate"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nMongols are oppressed too"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nnot an argument"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nI'm not interested in arguing with you."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>49\nHong Kong and Macau and Taipei would be perfectly fine united with a democratic China. The only reason they want to be seperated today is largely because of communists, nothing more.\n\nAnd its a perfectly justified reason."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nnot sure why you would keep replying then. you can always just close the tab"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>45\n\nI'm going to assume China will start the war when they try to take Taiwan.\nBy then its up to them wether nuclear weapons will be used or not, because America will defeat them with conventional arms.\n\nObviously that map cannot be achieved through military means. It has to come from the local population, with a little bit of help from a collapsing state who picked the wrong fight.\nThe CCP knows that the real threat is internal, and the moment the economy goes down, people will begin to question their authority."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>44\n\nUSA losing a world war would probably be equally fun. I expect a lot of bad blood is going to come out across the country."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>45\nwe can win a nuclear war and they know this, this is why they haven't started anything, now all we have to do is sit back and wait for them to collapse like the soviet union"}, {"id": 61, "content": "Reminder that Independence in Taiwan polls at a whopping, overwhelming 5%.\nChina is a civilizational culture and Taiwanese see themselves as Chinese. The whole \"Independence\" shit of late is pushed on them by the West, most Taiwanese support the status quo.\n>>56\nAgain, Independence doesn't poll jack shit in Hong Kong. It's another thing pushed by selective Western Reporting, like pretending that China had some insane massive crackdown in Hong Kong with insane police brutality when the only deaths were like few Hong Kong protestors getting killed by other Protestors.\n>>1 (OP)\nPretty much, 2c1s is the obvious future for this conflict, but doesn't play into Western geopolitical interests of containment."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>33\n>East Turkestan\nwow, another ISIS ruled by insane islamic extremists, what a glorious vision for the future."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>most Taiwanese support the status quo.\nWhich is de facto independence, retard."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>3\n/thread\n>>5\nNothing I just really fucking hate communists."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\ntheres no winners in nuclear war"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>59\n>New Afrika\nThere is no way that wouldn't be called Wakanda."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nIs that why the opposition party in Taiwan pushes for independence?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>63\nDefacto, but they are still Chinese, not Taiwanese. Independnece would have to mean they give up completely their claim they're Chinese, which as a civilizational people, they won't do."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>as a civilizational people\n\nWhat did he mean by this?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\n>opposition party\n>independence\nHoly shit you know nothing about Taiwan or politics, retard."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nnothing in that reply had any meaning. just 2 insults. i honestly cant tell anymore if youre baiting or genuinely retarded"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>61\n>>68\nIt has nothing to do with \"civilizational\". People in Taiwan are the same ethnicities as those in mainland except for 2% Aboriginals and Taiwan was legally a province of China."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>67\n>DPP\n>opposition\n??\nthey've been in power since 2016 retard and while they have a formally declare independence wing most of them are fine with the status quo\nmeanwhile if you look at notions of Taiwanese identity the proportion who identify as solely Taiwanese has soared to nearly 2/3 from less than 1/5 in 92, the proportion who identify as both Chinese and Taiwanese went down from nearly half to a third, and the proportion who identified as solely Chinese went from 1 in 4 to less than 3%.\n>>71\n>idiot who fails at the most basic knowledge of political parties and the current political situation in Taiwan calling others retarded\npottery"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nI think his point was that the KMT is in opposition now."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>69\nChina is considered a civilizational state, as it's had a continious chinese identity for thousands of years, even when people conquered China, they larped as Chinese, even other states around them like the Koreans and Vietnamese larped as Chinese for most of their history.\nThis is the same with say, Egypt, which is considered another Civilizational state."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>muh ethnicity\nmeans literally nothing lmao and neither does muh civilization\nboth of these could apply to the British/American split in the early period, hell you still have the term Anglo-American for lots of stuff due to their similarities."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>43\nAll of these new countries you plan on creating have been majority ethnic Han for 100 years or more. It's too late. You think people are going to trade American style plutocratic \"democracy\" for their own homes? It's simply unrealistic, like believing you could turn Yakutia into an actual Yakut state when they're less than 30% of the population."}, {"id": 78, "content": "taiwanbots going crazy this thread"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\nWrong. China is a legal entity and identity.\n\nNon-Han dynasties are legally China because they were conquered enslaved and raped by Han people and subjects of Han dynasties before they revolted.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12258189"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>71\nAt least familiarize yourself with Taiwan before making these retarded posts chinkbot."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>76\nAnd yet, them being the same civilisation doesn't necessarily create the idea that they HAVE to be the same state. This is Germ-tier autism.\n\nAnd not even Changoids really believe it which is why they don't for example demand Singapore be united with China, even though it has a similar history as Taiwan (Austronesian natives, colonised by Europeans who brought in a massive Chinese labour force).\n\nThe real reasons why Beijing wants Taiwan are simple: they want complete victory in their Civil War, they want to break out of the island chain, they don't want mutts and Japs to have such close access to spy on or potentially threaten China, and also they see the balance of power is overwhelmingly in their favour now so they are more and more tempted to do it and think it might even be possible to do it semi-peacefully through threats and bribery, much like how they got Hong Kong. That's it."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>58\n>The CCP knows that the real threat is internal, and the moment the economy goes down, people will begin to question their authority.\nTheir authority is unprecedented. Historically, in any polity, but especially in China, you need time to build momentum. Mass movements become quite large- their weakness is in that they are public and only thrive in decentralized or crumbling states. The greatest communist, and really, Hegelian \"end of history\" achievement in China, has been the omniscient surveillance state. The state as superorganism has shackled all its constituents in a perfect, enforced harmony. They will never collapse. Eventually they will overrun the Amerilards and expand their dominion there, along with everywhere else. The future of the earth and the human race is in the Chinese system, which will come to encompass all human biomass and infrastructure in a singular fusion."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>61\n> Reminder that Independence in Taiwan polls at a whopping, overwhelming 5%.\n\nReminder that the rest of Taiwan wants to join with the mainland…. under the ROC government lmao"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>73\n>meanwhile if you look at notions of Taiwanese identity the proportion who identify as solely Taiwanese has soared to nearly 2/3 from less than 1/5 in 92, the proportion who identify as both Chinese and Taiwanese went down from nearly half to a third, and the proportion who identified as solely Chinese went from 1 in 4 to less than 3%.\nUncritically repeating CIA boilerplate."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>61\n>>68\n>>67\n\nCommunist insect typed this.\n\n1. Taiwanese see themselves as seperate from mainlanders to the point that they have developed their own identity. This is mostly because mainlanders are literal drones and ruled by a bandit state.\n\n2. Hong Kong young generation overwhelmingly favors NO political ties with China because Fuck Communism. The only ones that support unification are the old parents who mostly just want economic prosperity and stability and ready to sacrefice freedom of everyone for that purpose.\nThe other two groups are major coroporations (for the same reason) and Chinese infiltrators.\nI've lived in Hong Kong for a couple of years, I know this shit is true.\nThe only reason Hong Kong protests stopped was because China had their way and people dont want to go to prison for life."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">MUH CIA\n\nwe’re hitting all the commucuck mental breakdown notes here"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>81\n>even though it has a similar history as Taiwan (Austronesian natives, colonised by Europeans who brought in a massive Chinese labour force).\nI will say in fairness to the Chink nationalists that unlike Singapore the Qing dynasty genuinely did control Taiwan for several centuries, even if it was an irrelevant backwater and they actually only truly controlled the western half of the island.\ndoesn't make any of their nonsense any less retarded of course."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>83\nThe majority of the mainland probably wants to join with Taiwan under the ROC government too"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\n>CIA\nit's a poll done by part of National Chengchi University in Taiwan they've done since 1992\nbut I'm sure next you'll tell me how that poll is fake while the supposed polls results about independence are right because reasons lmao"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>18\nExactly. Taiwan should be given to the Dutch if anything."}, {"id": 91, "content": "So in the end there's two political factions in the Republic of China:\n\n1. Maintain independence\n2. Rejoin the mainland under the ROC government\n\nLiterally no one wants to submit to the gongfei"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>18\n>>90\n>>22\nKoxinga (Zheng Chenggong's) male line descendants live in both Taiwan (via Zheng Kuan) and mainland China.\n\nThe fact that you made such retarded errors like claiming they were all wiped out means you have no idea what you are talking about.\n\nThe Qing even sent the Zheng family's rattan shield soldiers to destroy Cossacks at Albazin during the war with the Tsardom of Russia.\n\nLiterally no one was killed or harmed in Taiwan during the Qing annexation and handover from Southern Ming."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>81\nChinese with in both Taiwan and Singapore before Europeans. The peranakan Chinese in Malaysia and Singapore predate Europeans. The Ming treasure voyages through SEA predate European presence.\n\nChinese pirates and merchants operated in southwest Taiwan before the Ming ordered the Dutch to go there in 1624.\n\nThe difference is that Taiwan was legally annexed by the southern Ming in 1662 and Singapore was not.\n\nChinese were in the Philippines before Spain came.\n\nChinese defeated the Dutch multiple times as well as Portuguese in Tamao and Veniaga and killing Spanish governors. They didn't need European boats to get anywhere."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>89\n\nNice try chang. Time to leave Brisbane and fuck off back to ching chong river valley to grow some rice for big brother."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nam I being memed? or are you assuming I'm the retard who claimed Taiwanese didn't support formal or de facto independence? because I'm not."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nthose Chinese victories sure were something..."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>81\n>they want to break out of the island chain, they don't\n\nFalse, if China wanted Taiwan to break out of the island chain it would be far easier for China to support separatists in the Philippines and destroy them instead."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>89\n>National Chengchi University\n>Chingchong university isn't funded by Americans\nIt's the historical administrative educational centre in the country. What are you talking about? Of course they receive massive influence from abroad. Civil servant factories like this are one of the ways that America maintains its empire. Next you're going to tell me key universities in Latin America or SEA are beyond reproach and untouched by American meddling. Get lost yellow monkey/fat burger. I'm arguing about facts here, not acknowledging your humanity."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n12,500 dead of disease and starvation\n\nI didn't know Dutch people were diseases"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>43\nfuck t*bet fuck muzzie pigs"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing strong is never wrong, if China was strong, it'd have Taiwan. Simple as."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>17\nare you implying the DPP aren't nip stooges? iwasato masao pretended to be \"lee teng hui\" to destroy the KMT from within. today's taiwan is his taiwan, has nothing to do with chiang anymore"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>33\n>ROC are the only ones trying to fulfil the vision of Sun Yat-sen\nloser\nsun yat sen never fought in the revolution, others did it and he sat by and watched\nhe was asleep in an american hotel when the wuchang uprising started"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>96\n>>99\n>>unknown\nPortuguese assraping numerically superior Japanese who tried to ambush them by surprise."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>99\nDamn, the Chinese had 150 ships while Dutch 59 and they barely won? That's some martial prowess right there..."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>101\ngood, lets keep this in mind when taiwan is either integrated or destroyed in the next decade"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>91\n>Literally no one wants to\ntoo bad it doesn't matter what losers want"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTaiwan doesn't belong to China\nFalklands doesn't belong to Argentina"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>96\n>>99\n>>unknown\n>>104\nChinese were the only people to defeat Portugal (the Portuguese attacked first and were openly giving warnings by the Chinese not to proceed).\n\nYou can't use the excuse of being outnumbered since the Portuguese slaughtered Japanese and Arabs who outnumbered them and Chinese were the only people who defeated them and gave them warnings before battle."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>98\n>EVERY SOURCE THAT ISN\"T COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA IS A CONSPIRACY\n\nmeds\n\n>>100\nfuck commies most of all, I hope East Tukmenistan nationalists jihad more chicoms"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>99\nWell being Chinese is a disease so..."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\n>I hope East Tukmenistan nationalists jihad more chicoms\nthey haven't successfully allahu ACK-bar'd since 2014, guess why"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>96\n>>99\n>>unknown\n>>104\n>>105\nThe Dutch and Portuguese humiliated Japanese and others with the same ratio of being outnumbered, Japan begged the Dutch to protect them from Spain.\n\nChina was the only country that defeated and captured European ships."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>107\nYeah it doesn't matter that seething mainland losers will NEVER EVER occupy Taiwan with their red bandit hordes"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>111\nsays the subhuman vermin filth. your kind should be deloused"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\n>lose the entire mainland\n>at least we have this island!\nwhat happens when you lose the island too? will you all jump into the ocean? well the japs already control taiwan anyway with the DPP, couldn't even keep power in a tiny island, sad"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>113\nI mean the ratio is like 50 to 1 here...can you really be proud of that?"}, {"id": 118, "content": "KMT has already submitted to CCP. reunification with the mainland is only a matter of time, not debate"}, {"id": 119, "content": "All Communists should be exterminated on sight without trial. McCarthy did nothing wrong."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>115\nOne day we'll find a cure for being Chinese."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nbefore that we'll exterminate your filthy race from this earth"}, {"id": 122, "content": "Most of the island does not even speak Mandarin Chinese as a first language, they only learn it out of necessity. Also the commies had their chance to grab it, instead they went all-in on Korea and squandered all their military strength, hence being eternally cucked out of Taiwan to this day."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>121\nWow, rude much?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\nhaving north korea as a buffer is just as important as having taiwan, if not moreso. as mao said, taiwan can be put off for 100 years if need be, but korea was an immediate security concern"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>123\ndo you expect me to be polite to subhumans? you have to understand that you are worthless dross, you contribute nothing to this world, your existence is a blight"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\n>>having north korea as a buffer is just as important as having taiwan, if not moreso\nParanoid tankie logic, I guess.\n>nooo we need this blasted, barren wasteland ruled by a tinpot dictator because otherwise they could roll tanks into China at any time, which they are definitely going to do, those fucking war-mongering Koreans have always been planning to invade China!"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>116\n>w-we'll take the ROC\n>t-two more weeks\n\nNever happening commie loser, ROC is gonna be free forever\n\n>>119\nBased, communists don't respect the laws and institutions of our nations so we shouldn't grant them any rights to exist"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\nI'm not Chinese so none of that hits home."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\n>those fucking war-mongering Koreans have always been planning to invade China!\nno, koreans have never done anything important in their history. but if america controlled it they would use it as a springboard to invade china, just as japan did. qing china sat by and did nothing as japan controlled korea. the communists obviously weren't going to repeat their predecessor's indolence. that is what separates the communist party from every failed regime that preceded it"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>127\n>ROC is gonna be free forever\nit already doesn't exist. it's more of a japanese province right now. actual KMT (nationalists) are returning to the mainland. you obviously aren't chinese, so you don't represent KMT interests"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\n????\n\nPrevious Chinese regimes had colonized Korea\n\nDo they not teach communist vermin any history?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>128\nno, you're not Chinese, that's what makes you inferior and worthless. seething all day like a subhuman, that's all you can do"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>129\ndang so now 26 million koreans are trapped in a country wide concentration camp because of chinese paranoia...sad!"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>130\nROC is a democracy and the KMT willingly stepped down from power as the results of the election.\n\nI applaud the KMT for switching from a dictatorship and respecting the results of an election. Mainland communist bandits could never do the same."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>129\n>but if america controlled it they would use it as a springboard to invade china, just as japan did\nLike I said, paranoid tankie fantasies. It's the same in every communist hell hole. They are terrified of being invaded and overthrown because deep down they know they're evil."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>131\n>Previous Chinese regimes had colonized Korea\nbecause it secures China's northeastern frontier. how does this contradict anything I said. what is your IQ, subhuman?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>132\nYeah the Chinese definitely aren't known for seething all day long haha"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>122\n\n>Also the commies had their chance to grab it, instead they went all-in on Korea\n\nNo, they never had a real chance.\nKMT took all the ships with them.\n\nBy the time the commies built ships, the US placed a few aircraft carriers in the strait.\n\nThe Chinese involvement in Korea is probably the closests thing we'll ever see of a Zerg rush in modern warfare. Most of the Chinese soldiers died from simply having absolutely no logistical supply line, so they would either die from starvation, exposure, or lack of any supporting equiptment.\nHow do you expect that to conduct a successful sophisticated amphibious operation where doctrine is paramount to success?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>133\nand how is that not a good thing? are you asking me to care about gooks?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>122\nMost of the island speak Minnan and Hakka both of which originate from and are spoken in Fujian and Guangdong."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>139\nWell I guess asking a Chinese to care about other people is a bit too much to ask huh?"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>134\n>ROC is a (((democracy))) and the KMT willingly stepped down from power as the results of the election.\nwhat a joke. to be expected from the KMT, eternal losers"}, {"id": 143, "content": "i honestly dont care who ends up owning taiwan, but at the same time im forced to care cause the power elite in china and america see it as the final puzzle piece to world domination and will go to war over it"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>136\n>the communists obviously weren't going to repeat their predecessor's indolence. that is what separates the communist party from every failed regime that preceded it\n\nOk, but previous regimes had colonized Korea so the communist party is not unique in this respect"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>141\nno shit idgaf about if another country is starving. if they are starving to give us a territorial buffer, all the better"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>144\n>Ok, but previous regimes had colonized Korea\nthe late qing lost korea to japan and sat by as japan and russia fought over it. the roc then sat by as japan took manchuria from korea. the tang dynasty conquered goguryeo, so you are saying the ccp is comparable to the tang, the height of chinese civilization in the medieval era"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\nInspiring"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>145\nUmm, sweaty, that's a pretty problematic point of view"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>142\nDemocracy is for winners\n\nSending tanks against student protestors and having mental breakdowns over Winnie the Pooh is for insecure losers"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\n>Democracy is for winners\n>if you give up power due to a jew controlled election you win\ninspiring ideas from the justin trudeau school of politics"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\n>he says, LARPing for an idealistic vision of society spawned by a jew"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\nsure thing kike"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat about geographical location?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\n>chinkoid tries to fit in by copying our culture"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\n>our culture\nyou're brown"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>150\n>communist calling his opponents jews\n\nLMAO commushits are all following a Judaic ideology"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there is no historical reason\nyes there is a historical reason\nit's called the chinese civil war you fucking moron"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">too ESL to understand 4chan culture\n>steals a bunch of terms it doesn't understand and throws them all into a gibberish melting pot"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>156\nwhy do jews control the jewnited states and not communist china?"}, {"id": 160, "content": "That's an \"argument from assertion\".\nNext time OP try to provide an argument.\n\nThe transition from Chiang Kai-shek to Mau Zedong was considered illegal under International Law at the time, as it was a coup.\n\nChiang Kai-shek and the rest of the legitimate Government fled to Taiwan.\n\nSince Taiwan has been been autonomous and completely independent from China since then, it operates as it's own independent Country with it's own Legal System, Currency and Trade."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\n>The transition from Chiang Kai-shek to Mau Zedong was considered illegal under International Law at the time\noh wow, didn't know that. oops"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\n>>159\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\nArabs in Iraq. Spawn of millenia of rape by Turco-Mongols (Seljuqs, Ottomans, Afsharids, Mongol Ilkhanate, Jalayarids, Safavid Qizilbash Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu, Qara Qoyunlu), Indo-Europeans (Persians, Armenians, Americans), Kavkazis (Georgians) and Han Chinese people.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#10252672\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\n\n\nImagine being such a subhuman that both Armenians and Turks consider you filth and raped your ancestors. Assyrians, Armenians and Turks all consider Iraqi Sunni Arabs to be subhuman irredeemable filth.\n\nLike this subhuman Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab Islamist who is a slave of the Turks.\n\n>>unknown\nCheck how much Armenian DNA you have mongrel.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WV6xyqWu6A [Embed] [Open] [Open]\n\nhttps://meaningfulworld.com/our-work/un/sexualized-violence-against-iraqi-women-by-us-occupying-forces\n\nIraqi Sunni Muslim Arab woman raped by American.\n\nIraqi Sunni Arab girls have been raped by Hulagu's Mongols, Jalayarid Mongols,, Timur's Turco-Mongols, Shia Twelver Qara Qoyunlu Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu Turkmen, Safavids and Ottoman Turks and Georgian Mamluks."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>158\n>>159\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>162\n>>unknown\nTimur died while he was on his way to China and he never managed to invade China.\n\nTimur i Lang (Tamerlame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.\n\nThis is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.\n\nhttps://archive.is/IJQD0\n\nremove the . between just and paste to get the url.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98\n\nThey say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated. Iraqi Arabs are the rape children of Timur.\n\nAll Arab women were violated and raped by Turks, Mongols, Ethiopians, Persians, Armenians etc."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>158\n>>159\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>163\nhttps://www.ijhssi.org/papers/vol7(3)/Version-3/G0703033642.pdf\n>Iraq is the country greatly affected by Turkish terms. The dialect of Iraq during the previous centuries was influenced by the Persian, English, Sumerian and Turkish languages. Iraq, like all other Arab countries, has its own dialects which are almost identical.\n\nIraqi Arab prostitutes services white men in Jordan. Allahu Akbar. Allah has decreed this الحمدلله على كل حال. الحمدلله على كل شيء\n\nhttps://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a1810/iraqi-refugees-prostitutes-sex/\n>The crowning irony among many of the women I met: Their best clients in Amman are American and European military personnel and contractors — the same sort of men they had worked for as translators and fixers. Now they are servicing them in a different way altogether.\n\n>Samara is a 23-year-old from the Diyala province in eastern Iraq. She spends several nights a week at the Cottage (or the disco at the Holiday Inn, or the Hyatt) to make enough money to last a few days. She wears short skirts, drinks, smokes, flirts.\n\n>Later, as she sits on the edge of the coffee table in my hotel room, it's hard to picture her as a nightclub denizen. She has long, dark hair and a round face that barely moves when she talks — her eyebrows don't furrow; her chin never stiffens. She is almost completely still, except for when she drops her head and stares at her lap. She explains that since she moved to Amman in 2006, she has slept with \"British men, Americans, Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians. God knows how many.\" She has been pregnant, and sold a thin gold necklace, her only piece of jewelry, to pay for the abortion. \"I love children,\" she says. \"I would love to have children someday.\"\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/tiNq0\n>Iraqi arabs will have 70% turkish ancestry talking about we wuz babylonians like girl get your ass back to mongolia along with the other turks…"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>158\n>>159\n>>164\nEven Saudi Arabians agree that Iraqi Arabs are the world's most raped mystery meat. The Saudi Iranic Balochi Mansur al-Balushi made this rape chart for Irakis showing how Iraqis have been raped for 2,600 years and Iraqi \"Arabs\" are mystery meat mongrels. And his Saudi Arab followers are cheering him, a Baluchi (Iranic) on as he insults Iraqi Arabs. You are worthless scum to Saudis\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10929965/#q10930979\n\nAnd western journalists and historians agree Baghdad and Iraq is the most raped place on earth and Iraqis are the most raped mystery meat people\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/jun/20/baghdad-iraq-psychological-toll-worlds-most-attacked-city\n\n>Baghdad: the psychological toll of being the world’s most attacked city\n\n>For more than a thousand years the population of the Iraqi capital has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter\n\n>No city on earth has been attacked as often, or as brutally, as Baghdad. Once again, the residents of the Iraqi capital are bracing for another possible invasion, with the jihadist forces of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) less than 50 miles north of Baghdad at the time of writing. For a force that is supposed to number only several thousand, Isis gains in Iraq have taken the world by surprise, turning old certainties on their head and prompting the US and Iran to think the unthinkable and cooperate on Iraq.\n\n>But for the city that is next on the Isis target list, the once glorious capital of the Islamic empire, the sight of a foreign army at the gates is all too familiar. Over the past 13 centuries, Baghdad’s population has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter, with terrible consequences: on the city’s physical infrastructure, on religious convictions, and above all, perhaps, on the minds of the long-suffering Baghdadis.\n\nIt's a list of everyone who raped Iraq in chronological order"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>158\n>>159\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>162\n>>unknown\n>>163\n>>164\n>>165\nTimur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.\n\nAll Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\nMongols were raped and enslaved by Han Chinese centuries before Genghis was born. (You're not Mongol, only a rapebaby of Hulagu).\n\nHan Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.\n\nIf Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Anatolia and Aleppo and conquered and raped Romania and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Romania to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids.\n>>>/k/50520707\n\n\n>>>/k/50520718\n>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.\n\n>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048\n\n>>>/k/48235048\n\n>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.\n\n\nSince conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n1. Manchus aren't nomads. They are farmers.\n\n2. Nomads like Mongols are midgets and are darker and shorter than northern Han. Manchus are also shorter than average than Northern Han.\n\n3. The surname Hu originated among Han.\n\n>According to tradition, the Hu (胡) surname has several historical origins. First, Hu could derive from the family of Duke Hu of Chen. King Wu of Zhou (r. 1046-043 BCE) enfeoffed his son-in-law Gui Man 媯滿 (supposedly a descendant of the legendary sage king Emperor Shun) with the state of Chen (in modern Henan Province). His posthumous name was Duke Hu, and some of his descendants adopted Hu as their surname. Second, Hu could derive from two Zhou vassal states named Hu 胡, one located near Luohe (Henan Province) or another near Fuyang (Anhui Province)."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nYou forgot to tell the Turco-Mongol Iraqi rapebaby that Arabs are full of surnames like Ajami (non-Arab) and Turkish surnames like Bayraqdar and Khashoggi from centuries of Arab women getting raped and impregnated."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n>>168\n>>169\nShatuo cucks served Tang China in raping Uyghurs like proud uncle toms."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n>>168\n>>169\n>>170\nThe Shatuo dynasties weren't founded by conquest, one Shatuo chief was adopted as prince by the Tang Emperor for helping rape and kill Uyghurs and when the Tang dynasty fell, the Shatuo just claimed to legally continue the Tang dynasty in their fief.\n\nThe Shatuo family of Later Tang also adopted the Han Wang Congke (Li Congke) as prince and he was last Emperor of Later Tang."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n>>168\n>>169\n>>170\n>>171\nMongols are shorter than Han Chinese.\n\nMongols (Outer Mongolia) and Manchus (Beijing) are both midgets compared to Shandong Han (Shandong and most of Jilin, Heilongjiang and Liaoning are filled with Shandong Han settlers).\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country\n\nGenghis Khan purged tall Mongol men when he was uniting Mongol tribes.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin\n\n>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.\n\nThis picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally mongrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Turkic Kipchak Cuman Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.\n\nA Kazakh is to a Mongol as to what a Mestizo Latino Hispanic is to a Spaniard. They got their paternal ancestry from violent conquest and rape of the local women so their maternal ancestry is different but their paternal is the same."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n>>168\n>>169\n>>170\n>>171\n>>172\nThese are ethnic Kazakhs, not Mongols who are midgets."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n>>168\n>>169\n>>170\n>>171\n>>172\n>>173\nUyghur Y DNA."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>106\nFrom my understanding they'll tear up their own island before willingly giving it over."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>53\n>>157\n>>158\n>>160\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>161\n>>167\n>>168\n>>169\n>>170\n>>171\n>>172\n>>173\n>>174\nThe genetic makeup of modern Uyghurs was changed by the Mongols and Manchus via rape.\n\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28595347/\n\n>The Uyghur people residing in Xinjiang, a territory located in the far west of China and crossed by the Silk Road, are a key ethnic group for understanding the history of human dispersion in Eurasia. Here we assessed the genetic structure and ancestry of 951 Xinjiang's Uyghurs (XJU) representing 14 geographical subpopulations. We observed a southwest and northeast differentiation within XJU, which was likely shaped jointly by the Tianshan Mountains, which traverses from east to west as a natural barrier, and gene flow from both east and west directions. In XJU, we identified four major ancestral components that were potentially derived from two earlier admixed groups: one from the West, harboring European (25-37%) and South Asian ancestries (12-20%), and the other from the East, with Siberian (15-17%) and East Asian (29-47%) ancestries. By using a newly developed method, MultiWaver, the complex admixture history of XJU was modeled as a two-wave admixture.\n\n>a more recent wave occurred around 750 ya, which is in agreement with the estimate from a recent study using other methods.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/KerimTurkistani/status/1433224648221605888\n\n>Uyghurs have many different looks, we have been invaded and so on many times in history. You should study our genetics and history more.\n\nmodern Sunni Uyghurs hate Genghis Khan for being a kafir (infidel) who killed and raped their ancestors in the Qara Khanid Khanate.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/KerimTurkistani/status/1432827323754057734\n\n>He was a Kafir so\n\n(Medieval Buddhist Uyghurs were conquered by the Chagatai Khanate later and destroyed)"}, {"id": 177, "content": "The chinkspammer is a barely Chinese non-Hui ex-Muslim Southeast Asian mutt from Singapore.\n\nHe's obsessed with interracial shit and Han patrilineality shit.\n\nHis mental illness is compounded by him being a mongrel, a diaspora, not exactly Chinese, not exactly Southeast Asian, identityless, old parents and PTSD."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come air pirates never became a thing when criminals have infected every other facet of life; on the ground, water and by ground vehicles. Is the government response for military too great of a challenge to overcome?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "something something fighter jets that can blow up your whole plane with a few shots"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can't really board another plane, only shoot it down or force it to land. Also the technological challenge is greater and even coming close to competing with the government is prohibitively expensive for anyone who would consider resorting to air piracy."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Wasn't plane hijackings incredibly common before 9/11?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "well you see Dark Knight Rising a plane is harder than they make it look in that one scene\n\nthere were a lot of hijackings in the decades leading up to 2000 though"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">no music\nLmao this is saturday morning cartoon level villain shit. How much of a shitty ideology do you be ban something as fundamental to the enjoyment of life as music?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPortable music players didn't exist yet back then, a music ban(more particularly an instrument ban) wouldn't really affect anyone's life quality until the past few decades. Communal singing and whatever is still legal, excluding women at least."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey have nasheeds and other types of music"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Music and dancing are animalistic. Satan uses music and dance to manipulate people into sin. Nothing should control your heart but Allah and the Quran.\n\nWe don’t need music. Show me ONE song more beautiful than the sound of the Quran. Show me ONE dance more glorious than Friday prayer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is nothing in the Quran that bans it, Prohibited in varying degrees sure, but people who consider it forbidden tend to refer to the Hadiths which aren't always followed/. Every Muslim country has music, it's not like you get beheaded for listening to it lmfao. Have you considered actually asking Muslims about this shit instead of wasting space on /his/?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "the only two regimes that banned instruments are islam an nazi germany\n\n>>4\n>I don't listen to music outside of the Quran, so it's proof that no music is better than the Quran\nwhat the fuck"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits a hadith thing (a thing thats never been expliticly written in the quran, aka mostly hearsay with arguments about the validaty of whether who heard it from who and how reputable they are) there are plenty who just dont believe its a real rule and listen to whatever they want\nthough i dont really care to defend it, im just giving it context"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nNasheeds aren't music."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nAfghanistan literally has a chant as the national anthem because instrumental music is banned"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNot only are nasheeds music, they can be extreme bangers.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoB2oNRS-w [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nHe's just trying to say that there isn't a consensus among Muslims on this issue, but there are plenty who do feel this way about it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIran has music, dumbass:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/63B650GxQBI [Embed]\n\nShajarian and Shahram Nazeri are both very popular. Shahram even sang from the Shahnameh:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/zGOy7iFXxkk [Embed]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nAnyone who listens to the Quran will cry at how perfect it sounds"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>>7\n>>5\nLeftists detected. Music is just as haram as eating pork or drinking alcohol."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nHey, I'm an artist here, and I just found out the other day that apparently, drawing is haram despite Prophet Sulaiman in the Quran ordering djinns to paint and carve him statues of humans and animals. As far as I know, the prohibition of drawing is only in the hadiths, not in the Quran.\n\nYou seem like a knowledgeable individual, so I just want to know before I make the decision to quit drawing and switch professions completely. The question is this - this is really important so I'll green text this.\n\n>Is there something that we know for sure, with 100% certainty, that is haram but that act is only found in the hadiths and never mentioned in the Quran?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMusic is a vice and a vehicle to brainwash you. Its enjoyable like all destructive drugs"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRuap_R0s1I [Embed]"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell music does have a huge impact on the mind specially when you are young."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy does the symbol for Allah look like a dick and balls."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSufi music is kino\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo4P8GxIuKI [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah, only the most puritanical of Muslims would believe in a blanket ban on music. Even ISIS loved nothing more than dropping a banging nasheed in their propaganda videos. The general view of the orthodox scholars tends to be that religious music is permissible while secular music is mostly haram, which isn't all that different to how most Christian sects have traditionally treated music. You even get certain Sufi orders incorporating music into their worship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sama_(Sufism)\n\nYou also get a lot of secular music coming out of Muslim countries regardless of what the scholars say it permissible or not. It's not like all Muslims are part of some puritan hivemind - there's plenty of variety in terms of piety across different Muslim cultures."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\nHahahaha!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n95% of music is pure undiluted garbage, so there's that."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nThis is your brain on porn."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHehe Muslisms are so retarded\n>The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that whose who make images – by drawing or engraving – will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and these haraam images are images io animate beings, such as humans, animals and birds, based on the fact that in the hadeeth it says that they will be told: “Bring to life that which you have created.”\n\n>Everyone who makes something that imitates the creation of Allaah is included in this hadeeth, which says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the image makers… and his words “The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.” But as I said, if the image is not clear and if it does not have eyes or a nose or mouth or fingers, then it is not a complete image, and is not imitating the creation of Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted. End quote."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nnah, more like OCD.\nsome forms of OCD makes people see phallic objects on abnormal locations"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>saturday morning cartoon level villain shit\nyou must be new, because Muhammad's reign was indeed cartoon villain stuff\n>kills puppies\n>kills a woman poet for making fun off him\n>stalks a boy because he thought he was a rival for him, causing his followers to make him \"disappear\" (aka murdering him and throwing him to a desert) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saf_ibn_Sayyad\n>drawing faces will make you burn for eternity\n>seeing false dreams make you go to hell (i am not kidding, you are ounished for having FALSE DREAMS)\n>If someone leaves the religion, it is legal to kill the guy\n>oh, not only that! Anything in context of war (dar al harb) is legal, there is no such thing as a warcrime"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>they will be told: “Bring to life that which you have created.”\nBut we can do that though? So it seems like video game devs can pass Allah's challenge, and it will be trivial for roboticists."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Aren't suffis super into dances and music?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I still don't understand why they go on about muh evidence when Christians tell them up front faith isn't based on evidence"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Except you have christians desperately trying to cope with their inherently materialist subconscious with things like Biblical archaeology and signs of the End Times."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I don't understand how they talk about evidence then deny self-evident properties like the gods and their influence. It seems they are more Christian than they would like to admit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI respect fideists, I only demand evidence from people who claim that their Christianity is well justified.\nt. fedora"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christians tell them up front faith isn't based on evidence\nThat's called fideism and it is heresy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThere is overwhelming evidence for the faith, but it is not the basis of it. We don't need evidence that doesn't mean we don't have evidence"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou think your \"god\" cane save you from GOTT's wrath?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntry going to court using your faith that is not based on evidence as a defence"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell a lot of people don’t believe things without some form of evidence.\nThey’re just more skeptical than you."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThat's not skepicism, it's empiricism, which is not a Christian epistemology. Atheists are begging the question when they make such appeals"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>it's empiricism, which is not a Christian epistemology\nLol clearly"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLocal christcucks consider bible to be evidence kek"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Because why not be a muslim, then?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's more of a slogan than anything. If atheists who say \"I need evidence\" made an honest account of how they understand, nay, how they practice data collection, the percentage of people passing that simple criterion would be smaller than the percentage of Christians who read the Bible.\n\n>>2\nVery true.\n\n>>9\nThey very well might be. But why cross from skepticism to straight up denial?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>They very well might be. But why cross from skepticism to straight up denial?\nA lack of belief in something logically follows from a lack of evidence."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAn active rejection of a widely accepted phenomenon logically should not follow from having no clue about it. That's how you get falt-Earthers."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause saying you don't care about evidence doesn't change the mathematical laws governing evidence and belief."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nMathematical laws don't govern anything. They describe how things are being governed if anything."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>active rejection of a widely accepted phenomenon logically should not follow from having no clue about it\nI’ve literally never met a religious person who has evidence that their god exists."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nLearn Bayes' Theorem and why it's true."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nYou just repeated more or less what I already replied to. You rejecting something for \"lack of evidence\" despite having no clue about any of it is invalid. You could just as well complain that nobody proved Aractozialmekh to you. You wouldn't know if they did.\n\n>>20\nWill do, boss! Still a description, not a governing body."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nIt is a description of the underlying principles."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nYou're just replacing \"equations\" with \"principles\". Sure, principles, patterns, stoic \"logos\", proportionality... those are all valid descriptions of how things go about. But they don't govern. What put them in place governs."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nWhat put them in place?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nGod."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\nConsciousness isn't material lol"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nHow do you know?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nAll contingent things must by logical deduction be based on a single entity beyond natural categories."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>faith isn't based on evidence\nchristcucks make that pretty obvious"}, {"id": 30, "content": "The issue is when Christians try and argue that their religious views are true using faith based evidence. They’re free to believe in Jesus if they want to, they just shouldn’t be pretending it’s for any rational reason."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nDivine revelation. God said it, I believe it, that's the end of it"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nWe don't need your permission to believe in Jesus, it's our duty and yours too. It's the most rational belief because He is the basis of rationality. It simply is not derived from empirical evidences, since those things are only things which a man does not know and then learns through observation by his senses, but knowledge of God is as basic to man as knowledge of his own existence, and he knows it even if he cannot give account of how he knows it, because he was designed to know it."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nDaily reminder that no Christian has ever become a Christian without first hearing about Christianity"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nThat's just another description."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd a hindu has faith in a magic elephant which is just as silly as faith in a magic jew. Faith is gay and retarded."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\nWhy? Also, what would prove this wrong? Because then we can actually test this"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nNo, but you do need permission for people to not consider it make-believe fantasy, and that permission is given in exchange for evidence\n\nSee, this is the problem with Abrahamists, they don't get that this is a dialogue, not a monologue. Abrahamists are essentially the autists of human reflection, so they will just endlessly mumble to themselves about proofs and deductions, like the spiritual autists they are"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">first world empire\n>born from a petit crusader kingdom\n>Territories months away from each other, a trip to Cuba took the same time back then as a trip to Mars today\n>\"The Sun Never Sets on the Spanish Empire\"\n>built almost every city in the new world, just 700 were built at 16th century\n>30 UNESCO World Heritage sites built in America\n>first cowboys\n>maintained a maritime monopoly in the atlantic and pacific oceans for 3 centuries\n>leaded countereformation\n>spreaded christianity and western culture as no empire before them\n>breed entire new races & cultures by muh dick force\n>first world currency ever\n>lasted much more time than rest of colonial empires despite lacking of modern technology, railroads, telegraph, etc\n>centuries later still cause butthurt, controversy and admiration"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Catholic empire. Britcucks still seething to this day."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>leaded countereformation\n>leaded\nRetarded ESL. This empire was shit for the most part, was almost always running into bankruptcy because the government was bumfuck retarded in the economic sphere, and whether you like it or not, its legacy is the cocaine driven shitter we know as Latin America. It's lasting impact on the world is literally cartel videos. Congratulations."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>leaded\nI can smell your shit paco"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Vikingar!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "sovl overload"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou low born orc!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRAAAAAAAAH\n\nI LOVE MY ARCHERS MISSING BECAUSE I HAVE NO CONCEPT OF DEPTH"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>he doesn't bombard the enemy second line while his huscarls eat the front line for breakfast, tearing through them like wet tissue\nLol"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nOOZING-PUS WOUND!!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFun game."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni don't think i ever finished this game"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nSVINAFELL TROLL!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nyou know who else lost his depth perception to archers?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmazing game."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nhe was hot in the neck not in the eye, the other was run over by knights."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne-Eyed Oaf!\n\nI'm very glad I wasn't the only person who played this"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">uses archers\n\nlittle bitch take real saxons rely on their swords."}, {"id": 15, "content": "tried a bunch of different supernova/ruffle sites, this seemed to be the only one that worked well.\nhttps://www.funny-games.biz/1066-game.html"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does Alyssa’s dad jerk his baby dick to Mrs Arnieri because she is hot or is she hot because Alyssa’s dad jerks his baby dick to her.\n\n1. Alyssa’s dad jerks his baby dick to Mrs A because she is hot = her beauty lies independent of Alyssa’s dad and his personal opinions. Her beauty is an objective trait not a personal opinion.\n\n2. Mrs A is hot because Alyssa’s dad jerks off to her= her beauty is dependent on Alyssa’s dad and whether she can make him grow a three inch chub in his policeman panties.\n\nWe know that such important matters can not rely on the personal opinion of a double digit IQ cop so we are forced to concede that one is the correct choice and not two."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">It's ok to molest your daughter as long as you ask God for forgiveness after\nDo Christians really believe this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey all lived happily ever after, what's the problem?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "All is well that ends well."}, {"id": 4, "content": "this has to be a parody"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Bruh nigga nigga bruh bruh fr fr"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey certainly practice it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">They certainly practice it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIt's not Jack Chick was a genuine schizo"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly legalists seem to have trouble not raping their daughters. The kinds of men that think being religious is everything. If you get saved, you are supposed to be baptised in the Holy Spirit, so that you won’t end up doing something like that. Most religious churches do not welcome the Holy Spirit. They invite the law in and “don’t be bad.” Not being bad is good for in church. You are supposed to go in the church like a newborn lamb, clean, and spotless. That means no tattoos, no dyed hair green when you are 80, no revealing clothes, just traditional hymn singing, traditional scripture readings traditional preaching from the pulpit, traditional dress clothing. Such as suit and tie or casual for men, and full dresses that go down to the ankles for the women. When you go home, you are supposed to be having fun sometimes. The same shit Antifa does by going around cities and burning and raping and destroying the city I used to have the same spirit in my backyard as a kid and loved to pop fireworks, throw water balloons and shoot super soakers, climb in trees and jump on the trampoline, swing in swings, play with soccer ball or basketball, and even wear cowboy boots belt with belt buckle and collect knives and go hiking. Men still do these things as grownups, just not in their backyard.\nThe Dimlightbulbs want to take these things away from you, and they take it out on the city. That is their dumb game and you supposed to not believe it.\nA person who really does get saved by Jesus Christ’s blood the way it says to for Jews and gentiles they will not commit such a vomitable crime nor ever again if saved after. There is also some leeway that God uses because God knows a person and knows if they are going to get saved so He wouldn’t let it get to that unless that person was really bad to begin with and didn’t want to hear God. When a person is telling God that He is bad and they don’t want to hear Him it is a bad sign to even that person."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hbS42QN1o [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCheck out the music video \"Lisa's Father\" by Alice Donut.\nSuch a sick story. What a fucked up concept. I was probably 10 or 11 when I read this."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEh kind of. The act of molesting your kids is wrong, it is illegal, and you should report it. That being said Jesus forgives all sins, so if you truly repent you won’t go to hell. Go and sin no more."}, {"id": 13, "content": "He wouldn’t be actually absolved of his sins unless he confessed to the police and accepted his appropriate punishment. Chick clearly has no understanding of Christian ethics."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Why did he look so oddly normal? I always figured he looked like some kind of toothless wild-eyed freak."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Christians worship a metaphysical King, embodied via a preacher who was martyred by what eleutheromaniacs consider a go-to example for an \"authoritarian\" Government. By calling a martyr their God, their worldview is that they live in the aftermath of a great spiritual revolt where all are welcomed to be forgiven by the ethereal.\nIn short, it's a giant cope for the naïve and insecure, at least in the modern day."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nWhat do you mean? A murderer who accepts Jesus will go to heaven while people who dedicate their lives to charity go to hell because they don't."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nSo this is why only criminals and drug addicts convert to christianity, lol."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWhy is his art style so bad in this one? Did somebody else do the art?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nKek."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nThey always talk about having a mansion in heaven. I even remember them talking about that in other things like that one Christian movie 'The Believer's Heaven'."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nHe had different artists working for his company, his own art style got worse after his heart attack though. My favorite one is the one where he blames Catholics for the Holocaust simply because of how many leaps in logic he does."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Is Chick the OG chris chan?"}, {"id": 23, "content": "5 million I am sorries and no changing of the mind concerning it. Hmmmmmm. I thank God that he is."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>we used to sacrifice goats for temporary immunity till we sacrificed the son of god for permanent immunity\n\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA who fucking believes this shit?"}, {"id": 25, "content": "I wish we could return to the 4chan where we could post these and make fun of Christians without schizo moralfags"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">I wish we could return to the 4chan where we could post these and make fun of Christians without schizo moralfags"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI wish reddit hadn't banned /r/the_donald so you could go back."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Everyone I disagree with is a bonald blumf\nI don’t even vote you fucking dunce."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>16\n>A murderer who accepts Jesus will go to heaven\nyes as long as he truly repents.\n>people who dedicate their lives to charity go to hell because they don't.\nThis is unknown. It's possible that they do, it's possible that they don't. It's up to God to decide."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nEveryone who posts like you came from /r/the_donald and commits perpetual taqiya."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why have some people turned out taller than others even though they may share the same diet and lifestyle?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's literally just genetics"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's the greatest non-answer I've ever read"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo, it really is genetics, I don't see how you're this deep under a rock. Did no one ever tell you this growing up? Where are you from?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>It's fate\n>Hmmm that's kind of a broad and vague answer\n>Dude, rocks"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Differences in human height is 60–80% heritable, according to several twin studies[29] and has been considered polygenic since the Mendelian-biometrician debate a hundred years ago. A genome-wide association (GWA) study of more than 180,000 individuals has identified hundreds of genetic variants in at least 180 loci associated with adult human height.[30] The number of individuals has since been expanded to 253,288 individuals and the number of genetic variants identified is 697 in 423 genetic loci.[31] In a separate study of body proportion using sitting-height ratio, it reports that these 697 variants can be partitioned into 3 specific classes, (1) variants that primarily determine leg length, (2) variants that primarily determine spine and head length, or (3) variants that affect overall body size. This gives insights into the biological mechanisms underlying how these 697 genetic variants affect overall height.[32]\nWhat's your next shitpost?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nOP probably wanted to know something about it and your reply is a vague non-answer at best"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI'm not the first reply, but that is the complete extent of the reason. Does he want specific gene names and their locations in the chromosomes?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Mendelian\nWhat is this from the 1920s? Nobody uses Mendelian genetics 1:1 anymore"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIs that your bait?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMore wasted time, fuck off"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nMy words to you, indeed."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nStop talking like a victorian faggot"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nMake me, fool"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYoure not smart or interesting"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nI am of vaster stature than you, however"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nReply if youre gay"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how did 2000 arabs managed to conquer the entire iberian peninsula?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVisigoth (white) women spread their legs for arabs. A tale as old as time"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nFuck off jacques no one seriously believes that shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn a very similar way to how the Inca's were beat, the visigoths were in the middle of civil war #6 gorillion, and the king who dies in that battle didn't even control most of the kingdom"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe proles didn't give a fuck either way so it was a contest between two small groups of well-armed foreign invaders."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndunno, how did 300 goatfuckers manage to defeat the entire Umayyad force of Munuza?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>The proles didn't give a fuck either way\nAs Christians they would favour the Goths, unless they're heretics in which case they favour the Muslims. Jews also probably favour the Muslims. It's not classical antiquity or modernity, everyone has an international ideological affiliation in the Middel Ages."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nby allowing Visigothicc nobles to convert to Islam and join en masse to the invading force, or alternatively, literally let Christian rulers rule over entire regions of Spain for an entire generation;\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodemir_(Visigoth)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>arabs\nyou mean berber BVLLS"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nyou're not goatfuckers you're quadroon siesta subhumans\n>strength unknown\n>casualties unknown\nlmao"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP did you ever think just how many people a thousand is? Did you even interact with that many people in your entire life before becoming a NEET recluse? An army in the hundreds already is enough to march through and lay waste to anything. You only think it is a small amount because when you picked up history and began with the oldest source (Herodotus) he literally has an invading persian army in the millions. The entire population of the world was not even in the millions yet. That's how much he was exaggerating. And basically every historian ever from that point couldn't resist the same temptation that befell Herodotus and they all give ridiculously inflated numbers for anything they describe.\nGiven other happenings not too far off in time or in space it is not so unreasonable that 2,000 arabs managed it. Pic related."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>The greatest of Kings Abu-Al Walid the rightly guided\n>In the footsteps of his faithful forefathers, the elites of Qahtan\n>And through the support of his subjects of Adnan, the greatest among creation\nWhat did \"Berbers\" mean by this?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n\n>strength unknown\n>casualties unknown\n\nit is the same for the Muslim victory dumbass lol, those are digits made up by historians like 30ish years ago"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The French Revolution was the birth of extremism. The extreme ideas of the Jacobins have resulted in countless wars of revenge in Europe."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">May it not be the case in France that the influence of women, which went on increasing steadily from the time of Louis XIII, was to blame for that gradual corruption of the Court and the Government, which brought about the Revolution of 1789, of which all subsequent disturbances have been the fruit?\n\n-A. Schopenhauer\n\nIt's the ovarian jew again"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't the birth of \"extremism\" but it was the birth of faggotry. The West's first suicidal malfunction, which would be followed by many more"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCoping christchud, religion is dead for good"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are they depicted as Spaniards?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNot if I'm still religious"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know man, I'd say 30 years war was the most extremist conflict ever fought"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this true religion bros? The ads on this site keep telling me it is true."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's all true."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust kidding."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>people go to heaven regardless of religion just because Christ died on the cross\n\nNo that's universalism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes this mean Original Sin no longer exists?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">there’s been hundreds of different concepts of how diseases spread throughout human history but only yours exists\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real\n\n>there have been thousands of different accounts of how the earth was formed throughout human history but only yours exists\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real\n\n>There have been millions of different theories on how the human body functions and how to best ensure health throughout human history but only yours exist\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Atheists can cope about this as much as they want and I even admit that many evils were done in name of God(s) but how many Buddhas, Jesus, Saints and actually good people who cared about others have atheists produced? Exactly zero. People say that you can be moral without believing in god but the contribution of atheists to the moral improvement of society is next to zero."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe difference is that theories on the transmission of diseases are testable, faslsifiable, differentiated etc..., while religious beliefs are all equally unverifiable superstition"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>The difference is that theories on the transmission of diseases are testable, faslsifiable, differentiated etc\nHow are they testable??\nEverything you perceive is the product of senses you no way to fundimentally verify\nEmpiricism is an incoherent framework>>3"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe difference being that human biology and germ theory are proven by facts while no religion has equal factual backing as germ theory."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExcept in all those cases, people with relevant knowledge are able to come to some degree of consensus. With religion, it's not like most rational people decided Christianity was the most plausible account of things. And religions aren't receptive to wholesale innovation, they aren't going \"We think this is the best picture of how things work at the moment, but we'll accept if something better comes along\". Unlike scientific theories, they are not provisional. They are absolute.\n\nbeliefs about disease\n>most rational people agree that x theory is the most plausible account of how disease works\n>but they don't think it's necessarily the 100% absolute truth, there might be a better one that comes along later\nbeliefs about god\n>rational people seem capable of having different opinions about the nature of god, there is no broad consensus\n>but you have to commit 100% to the belief"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nDrink raw sewage and see if your senses are able to verify the fact that you gave cholera"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>Everything you perceive is the product of senses you no way to fundimentally verify\nSure but how does that put religion in a better position? It just bolsters scepticism"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nI second this"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nOkay anon well my current level of skepticism already tells me your god doesn’t exist, so increasing my skepticism only makes your god less believable."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nBuddha and Jesus didn't exist."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nIf you say they didn't exist physically they still existed spiritually else no one could have made up the stories about them. So yes, the mere fact that they were written down is because they have existed, or could have existed, metaphysically."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll other ones coexist, mine does not"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nAgain\nHow are they “proven”??\nEverything you perceive (including the readings of “””emperical”””” inustriments) is coming to you through senses you cannot verify the validity of except through other senses.\nIn short untestable data unto untestable data"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nAgain\nOnly would be shown as a product of unverifiable senses\n>>8\n>>10\nThe point is that if you take your professed frame work of skepticism seriously (IE do not believe shit you cannot emperically test) you couldn’t believe in ANYTHING as ALL OF IT is coming from senses you CANNOT emperically test\nYet you believe some things and disbelieve others\nMeaning you aren’t basing any of this on an emperical framework or data or reason\nYour just acting on an article of FAITH\n(IE the same thing you accuse the Christian of doing and which you claim discredits his position)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAsking me to be more skeptical of what’s true than I already am is going to push me further from believing in your god, not make me more likely to believe your assertion that it exists."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis argument literally makes no sense because we're not talking about a million little deities who can all exist at the same time. Gervais has Mount Olympus in mind when he says shit like this. The overwhelming majority of religious people today believe in ONE supreme, all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, infinite being. There can only be one of these. Religious disputes these days are not people claiming that \"other gods\" are made up, but that other interpretations of God are made up. There is no \"your God, my God\"; there is only \"God\". There can only be one, as described. Religious groups are trying to claim that their knowledge, their interpretation, their stories and philosophy etc are true OF the one God, because there can only be one supreme infinite being. They are trying to claim ownership of this special knowledge for themselves, and claim false inspiration for the other groups, but they can quite well agree on the fact that there is one supreme deity, because this is not incoherent or unlikely in the slightest. In fact the kicker, as Gervais wrongly thinks, is not whether \"God\" (implicitly understood as the Christian God\" exists, because it is quite likely, or at least you can easily posit, that there exists an infinite being full-stop. Now that this basic truth has been established, you can start saying that the Christian interpretation is silly, or that the Islamic interpretation is demon-inspired, or that Judaism is legalistic innovation, or that Hinduism is truly polytheism, or that the true, ineffable gospels simply cannot be wrong in their assessment of Jesus, etc. But nobody of any intellectual fiber should be equating \"the Christian interpretation is wrong/harmful/insidious/silly/etc\" with \"there is no infinite, supreme deity, and you are all actually arguing for henotheism\". This is why this is such an embarassingly bad take from Gervais or any other nu-atheist grifter like Sam Harris."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\nWe got you guys to stop chemically castrating homosexuals.\nOf course you may say that this is a bad thing, but there lies the issue. If atheists make any contributions to morality, you will call it degeneracy because any contributions that are novel will necessarily go against the status quo that you subscribe to. It's a catch 22."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>The overwhelming majority of religious people today believe in ONE supreme, all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, infinite being.\nI just looked it up and as of 2010 it was globally around half. Overwhelming majority? Not so much. Doesn’t erase the other gods that people used to believe in either."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nThere is a difference, in epistemology, between 'casual assent' and 'firm assent'. I might casually assent to someone else's statement that the weather is good right now in France, without investing it with a lot of truth-value. I'll take their word for it, but I'm not going to die on that hill if someone disagrees. If I'm a sceptic, I might feel the same way about sense appearances. \"Well, the world seems real to me, but I can't really know.\" I can feel this way and still firmly assent to propositions like \"the sky appears blue to me\" even though I am not sure my perception reflects any real state of affairs. The problem is that religion demands a very high level of assent. You can't simply say, \"Well, Christianity seems a bit more probable than Hinduism\" and call it a day. You have to make a buck stopping decision. You have to throw your lot in with one or the other, at grave peril to your eternal soul. You are expressly not allowed to suspend judgement. But is there enough evidence to justify such a high level of certainty? Not in my opinion."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nOK then, if all experience is unverifiable then that includes your delusional concepts of god"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nAnon your either missing the point or attempting to ignore it.\nYou don’t act as if the world you perceive is just as likely as the existence of God\nYET\nBy the empiricist framework you advocate\nYou ought to\nIn reality both you and the Christian are working off the same faith based framework, assuming what you perceive to be the case is correct\nYou can believe what you want to believe anon\nBut you CANNOT coherently (and definitionally) decry Christianity on an empericist basis and continue to believe in and act on the basis of senses you CANNOT emperically verify\n>>21\nSe above"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>6\n>They are absolute.\nliterally quantics"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>The problem is that religion demands a very high level of assent. You can't simply say, \"Well, Christianity seems a bit more probable than Hinduism\" and call it a day. You have to make a buck stopping decision. You have to throw your lot in with one or the other, at grave peril to your eternal soul. You are expressly not allowed to suspend judgement. But is there enough evidence to justify such a high level of certainty?\n>Not in my opinion\nTwo points in response\n>1.\nWould you be able to be affirm firmly enough the possibility of the existence of a dirty in order to act to discover whether or not this diety existed??\nBecause if so,\n(Assuming a base rational motive of self interest)\nIt would then follow to spend at least a reasonable ammount of time and energy attempting to find out which religion, if any, was accurate.\nThat is to say to pray, to make pilgrimages, to experiment with various churches and in short to devote the same time and energy to the possible preservation of your consciousness through attempted communion with the devine.\n>2.\nIn regards to the Homer Simpson response to Pascal’s wager\nA thought experiment\nSuppose you awoke tied to a chain, infront of you a man stood with a ping pong ball in one hand a gun in the other.\nBetween you was a roulette table\nThe man spoke and said\n>”In a moment I will throw the ball above the roulette table, if you guess the number it will land on correctly while it’s in the air I will not shoot you”\n>”Otherwise I will shoot you”\nNow a few notes\nCould the man be lying?\nAbsolutely, you could guess the “correct” number and he may still shoot you\nCould the ball not hit the table at all?\nOf course.\nYet given the circumstance, in this position,\nWho wouldn’t guess a number??\nMore over,\nHow could anyone defend NOT guessing a number as “””rational”””???"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSorry Ricky but Abrahamic monotheism has destroyed or subsumed every pagan belief system it encountered, every time. Those faiths only exist today at the luxury of monotheistic cultures. If all of the world's Christians, Muslims and Jews decided to completely annihilate the remaining pockets of paganism from the face of the Earth they would be helpless to stop it.\n\nOne can debate which among them is the \"right\" choice but to claim Hinduism, the Olympic Pantheon or similar stand on anywhere approaching equal footing is absolutely delusional based on actual, verifiable information from recorded history. Let me know when a Wiccan dominated society becomes a nuclear or economic superpower and then maybe we can talk."}, {"id": 26, "content": "According to one of the religions, rabbi Yeshua is boiling in his own feces. What is the evidence that he isn't?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nhttps://youtu.be/X8aWBcPVPMo [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts more like asking why do these gods tolerate the other gods?\n\nThor is like Im the god of Thunder then Zeus is like Im also the god of Thunder and then Raijin and his drums is like NO IM THE GOD OF THUNDER"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\nIf your doctor tells you that you have a chest infection would you tell him that he's a quack because his senses used to diagnose you are unverified? Of course not, you would take the antibiotics he gives you, pseudo intellectuals never doubt the efficacy of their senses until they can use it in bad faith to justify their beliefs"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n> If your doctor tells you that you have a chest infection would you tell him that he's a quack because his senses used to diagnose you are unverified?\nNo\nBut I would accept that I am fundimentally putting my FAITH in the doctor and his abilities due to past experience\nSame way Christian’s trust their church based off past experience with their church\nJust as trust your doctor when he tells you you have cancer, or ebola or one of a million other conditions they average person knows nothing about due to the doctor having been right about you having the flue or arthritis in the past\nSo to do people trust you heir church in the afterlife as it’s been shown to be right in other aspects of their life (such as the positive impact of advocating against gluttony, homosexuality and drug use all of which lead to depression and suicide)\nThe point here is not to show that material reality is bullshit\nBut rather then an emperical framework necessarily considers material reality to be bullshit.\nThe framework is the bullshit\nNot the reality"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nDo not suppose the statements of the prophets to be true; they are all fabrications. The sacred books are only such a set of idle tales as any age could have and indeed did actually produce\" - Al Ma'arri\nBy your logic Islam or any other religion that advises against dangerous activities could be true"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>22\nAnon you’re trying to get me to doubt even my ability to prove things, which makes me less likely to believe in your god, not more.\n\nIf you had proof the move would be to present it, instead you’re trying to throw out the very concept of proving things."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis has to be bait. you know that those theories on diseases and the earth forming have gone through rigorous testing and have been proven correct with time, youre better than this OP"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>By your logic Islam or any other religion that advises against dangerous activities could be true\nYes\nAnd I would go so far to say partially IS\n>>32\n>you’re trying to throw out the very concept of proving things.\nDude reread my posts if you genuinely came away thinking was the case\nThe point is YOUR concept of proving is bullshit\nEMPERICISM is bullshit\nIt is contradictory from the word go\nIt isn’t the ONLY epistemological framework\nIt’s just a bullshit and cobtradictory one\nThere ARE others (such as rationalism)"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nSe\n>>4"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nYou believe something is true anon, you prove it. I don’t care how you do it, make your best possible argument."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nMy best possible argument (the one that is what makes me a Christian) is my experience\nBut it’s not relevant here because I can’t prove it to YOU\nI can only prove it to myself\n(I know what I saw I know what I heard ect)\nThe entire point of this argument though is to demonstrate that empericism CANNOT deviate from rationalism; you are necessiaily trusting your senses without proof in either case.\nI saw God so believe\nIf you se God you OUGHT believe\nRegardless of if you happen to have a thermometer to measures his temperature at the time or not\nTo do anything other is to act irrationally"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>I saw God so believe\n>If you se God you OUGHT believe\nI haven’t seen god. I’ve seen pictures of all kinds of things I’ve seen, you ever get a picture of god? No? Why not?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIssue is Christians never prove Christianity in debate, at most they prove a creator of some definition or perhaps a monotheistic creator. There’s a big difference between proving your religion right."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>I’ve seen pictures of all kinds of things I’ve seen, you ever get a picture of god? No? Why not?\n\nSame reason you never saw a photo of a black hole till last year\nDidn’t se you doubting their existence before that tho"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nBlack holes can be seen interacting with reality long before that. Meanwhile prayer has never been proven to work"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Meanwhile prayer has never been proven to work\nOn the contrary anon\nHistory is full of examples\nInfact it’s full of so many convincing examples it that religion arose in every conrner of the world independently and outcompeted every tribe that didn’t believe in a God"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nA. It’s not hard to prove it works if it does\n\nB. So prayer to any god works? Hmm\n\nC. Tell me about the religious tribes wiping out the atheist tribes and how it was based on the help of their god"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nBlack holes come from mathenatical theorem not stupid feelings"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>A. It’s not hard to prove it works if it does\n\nAgreed\n>B. So prayer to any god works? Hmm\nYes to greater and lesser extents, based on the accordance with the true God of the material world\nThe greater adherence you hold to his will (literal manifest reality) the more success you find\n>C. Tell me about the religious tribes wiping out the atheist tribes and how it was based on the help of their god\nHow much time you got\nBooks on anthropology have been written on the subject\nWhere pray tell do YOU think universal observance of religion came from if it wasn’t an evolutionary advantage??"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone of those analogies make any sense at all. Absolute fucking fail of a thread. Embarrassing stuff"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nMathematical theories you don’t understand and haven’t studied\nYou merely accept their existence as an article of FAITH in instutions that have shown to be helpful in your life\n(Same reasons Christian’s trust the church)"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nNot an argument"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Aristotle believed that the earth was the center of the universe. And everybody believed him because he was so smart. Until another guy came around.\n\nGalileo disproved that theory. Making Aristotle and everyone else on Earth looking like a bitch. Of course Galileo thought comets were an optical illusion, and there is no way the moon can cause the ocean tides. He was also wrong. Making him and everyone else like a bitch again.\n\nThen best of all Sir Isac Newton gets born, and blows off everybodies nips with his big brains. Of course he though he could turn metal into gold, and died eating mercury. Making him yet another stupid bitch.\n\nThese were all the smartest men on the planet the only problem is they kept being wrong... sometimes.\n\nYou get your information from a book from men you never met and you take there words as truth. Based on a willingness to believe. A desire to accept. A leap of... dare I say it, faith.\n\nGod is real you stupid science bitch."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>christcucks crying cause the tiniest hint of logic BTFO's their entire \"religion\"\namusing"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nThis entire thread has literally been atheist crying about applying their arguments consistently"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nidk, cry moar maybe?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nSo it seems that all these books and ideas have a high likelihood of being kinda false, right? And it seems that the more time one line of ideas has gone through the process of being proven kinda false, the closer to the truth it gets, yeah?\nBut the Bible cannot be revised based on being proven false because it's either unfalsifiable or requires you to drop other beliefs, yeah? So since the Bible cannot go through the correcting process described above, I think it's probably not very accurate."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nmetaphysical reality both tested and attested by witnesses and is overall compatible and usurps polytheism via angels (lesser than God non-material beings). humans already deal with immaterial concepts so non-material source, in this case God... well all cases points to the prime mover God"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>41\nThere are studies about praying to people and having statistically significant better outcomes. You’re a delusional dogmatic materialist no better than bible thumping baptists. Have an open mind for once"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWow I'm sure that the medical community is censoring this stuff because they're cold hearted materialists who don't want you to know the truth!\n\nOr maybe because it was tried and tested and... it doesn't fucking work and is only still peddled by gullible and low IQ individuals. But nah, that's impossible!"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nPhysical reality is also both tested and attested by witnesses. That doesn't mean all claims about physical reality turned out to be correct. And I don't see why that wouldn't be the same with metaphysical reality.\nYou're just giving me a lot of wishful thinking, buddy."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>There are studies about praying to people and having statistically significant better outcomes.\nYou mean that one that was retracted for shoddy methodology? Why don't people pray for amputees?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>2\n>People say that you can be moral without believing in god but the contribution of atheists to the moral improvement of society is next to zero.\nSource: my ass"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>there’s been hundreds of different concepts of how diseases spread throughout human history but only yours exists\nThey found the germs\n>>there have been thousands of different accounts of how the earth was formed throughout human history but only yours exists\nThey found the rocks\n>>There have been millions of different theories on how the human body functions and how to best ensure health throughout human history but only yours exist\nThey found the bones\n\nWhere is your God?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis quote really bothers christcucks, based Ricky."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is money inherently evil? At a fundamental level it creates greed which in obviously bad."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMoney isn't evil. The love of money is evil. Big difference."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits like asking whether guns are evil\nits the wrong fucking question so any answer doesnt matter"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow much does your tard wrangler make?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it creates greed which in obviously bad.\nWhy is greed obviously bad?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWell look at for example pharmaceutical companies. Milton Friedman states that greed is what drives innovation. I agree with that statement, but what happens if you reach that innovation and just try to capitalize everything? An example is Google, they did a great job off of making an easily accessible library, but now it controls public perception on the government."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nLess than yours since she has to put up with your dumbass. You can't even realise that the obsessive pursuit of monetary gain is the reason why 90% of men are virgins you retard."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n*most men are virgins between the ages of 18 - 30. You're still a retard though."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nOkay well then you're asking if black people should be in charge of guns? The answer is no. Should black people have money? They don't to begin with."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo but it is completely fake."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Money is a tool to facilitate exchange. Tools cannot be evil. Blaming human action on tools is and always has been idiotic."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\n>>10\nGuns can have nefarious purposes (just like money), but survival is an instinct in humans so they don't really count."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Money does not create greed. Even without money, people will still covet the possessions of others. Money is merely a medium of exchange that people use to purchase goods and services. What they are truly greedy for is to have more/better goods and services than everyone else. That's why people spend a mountain of cash on ridiculous cars: they aren't greedy for the money, they are greedy for what it can buy them."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nOn a fundamental level money is a great thing, the problem is when you take into account what could happen if money is manipulated in a criminal way. I'm not a communist by all means, but the problem is that you have major corporations using their large influx of money to basically change the world in a bad way."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYeah I guess you're right, human ego really gets in the way of things."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMoney is nothing more than an abstract representation of value. If money didn't exist, then we would be bartering goods instead. This question can basically be reduced to \"is it evil to think of an item as highly valuable\"?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre women inherently evil? at a fundamental level they create lust which is obviously bad"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, love of money is, money is but a tool"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nAnything can be manipulated by criminals. The Soviets stole grain and starved their citizens. Does that mean grain should be banned as to not tempt the greedy Soviet officials?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>8\nGreed predates the existence of money you fucknugget. And no, most men 18-30 are not virgins.\n\nhttps://boingboing.net/2021/03/22/adult-male-virginity-soars.html#:~:text=About%2027%25%20of%20men%20under,reported%20similar%20rates%20of%20sexlessness.\n\n27% isn't even close to \"most\"."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\n>people will still covet the possessions of others\nThat is envy not greed. They are similar, but they are inherently different."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThey are inherently connected."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommodities don't create greed. Commodification does.\n-Plato"}, {"id": 25, "content": "More important question: why is greed bad? I understand why envy is bad, as it is explicitly a negative emotion towards your fellow man. What I don't understand why the abstract desire for material goods is bad. Why would someone not want more resources?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nGreed is not an \"abstract desire for material goods\". It is an extremely concrete passion that passed the point of social and personal sustainability. It's like asking \"why would wanting to fuel your body be bad\" when the topic is over-eating."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nEating has diminishing and eventually negative return. If you do it past a certain point, it will kill you. This makes no sense for greed, as there is no such thing as having too many resources. A greedy person may commit other sins, but it in itself being a sin makes no sense and cannot even be consistently defined."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThere absolutely is such a thing as having too many resources. And the point is:\na) when your diminishing utility on additional resource unit fall far below other people's utility for the resource - i.e. hoarding water during drought\nb) when your diminishing utility on additional resource would render much more utility if invested into non-materialistic channels - i.e. taking a break from work and actually seeing your kids grow up once in a while\nExamples above are non-exhaustive.\n\nWhether something can or cannot be \"consistently defined\" is another discussion altogether, but the fact greed itself is a sin is not debatable."}, {"id": 29, "content": "corr >>28\n>b) when your *COST OF ADDITIONAL* diminishing utility on additional resource would render much more utility if invested into non-materialistic channels - i.e. taking a break from work and actually seeing your kids grow up once in a while"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nYour definition relies upon relative wealth equality, which is a direct contradiction of the sin of envy. Some people value time with their family a lot, and others very little (what if they're assholes?). Utility, like the value of goods, is completely subjective, and has no upper bound. What is the exact amount of wealth disparity which labels a person as being greedy? Whatever the government says it is?\n\nHoarding is another name for stockpiling, which is not innately bad. Generously handing out water during a drought is virtuous, but valuing your own well-being above that of others and stockpiling that water is also perfectly understandable."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>people thirsting during drought\n>envy\nNo.\n>Utility, like the value of goods, is completely subjective\nIt is related to a subject, but it is not arbitrary in the sense that we get to decide it, no. If someone values a swimming pool over their neighbour's survival, they are simply foolish and don't know the value of things.\n>What is the exact amount of wealth disparity which labels a person as being greedy?\nWe aren't getting to exacts if we don't agree on the generals.\n>valuing your own well-being above that of others and stockpiling that water is also perfectly understandable.\nNot the example provided:\n>>>>>your diminishing utility on additional resource unit fall far below other people's utility\n>>>>far below other people's utility\n>>>>far below"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThere are children starving in Africa right now. Why aren't you donating your excess wealth to them? Are you foolish and don't understand the value of things?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>3\nMoney is essential to survival for 99% of modern day humans. The system of our tender was designed in a way (intentionally or otherwise) that influences (in many cases coerces) people, far more often than not, to worship its great power."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nBecause I am too greedy."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh great another retarded communist OP. I'm so sick of explaining this that I'm about to make it a pasta at this point but let's tailor it to you for now.\n>Is money inherently evil?\nThis smuggles in so many assumptions that I don't even know where to begin in answering. To keep a long story short; No.\n> At a fundamental level it creates greed\nTypical leftoid unable to grasp cause and effect. Money doesn't create greed. Some humans are just inherently greedy. It doesn't have to be money it could be any sort of wealth. Gold, chickens, rare fabrics, incense. Wealth could be literally anything that humans will consider valuable. Money is simply meant to be a medium of exchange between all those things. If I have a bunch of cucumbers and you have a trained monkey and I want your monkey but you don't give a shit about cucumbers, then we can't trade. But if we have money which we all ascribe value agreed upon to, I am able to give you money for your monkey instead because you can use the money for something that you actually DO want. It's literally that simple. Money only has whatever value people assign to it. Idk where you live but in the U.S. our shit isn't even backed on anything real. It's imaginary numbers on a screen, especially for people who don't carry cash. But if we all agree that I can trade some of my numbers, which represent my services and labor, for a soda or a sandwich then I can. I don't have to perform labor directly to the person giving me the soda and sandwich, I performed services and labor for the company that employs me and they gave me numbers which I agree are valuable. It's really not complex."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\nCope"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>4\nA gun is a tool that was invented for shooting people. It's hilarious how hard you fags are brainwashed into being conditioned to avoid certain phrases (which are 100% true)."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nana8gj"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWorship at the temple monetas is choosing mammon instead of God, one cannot serve to masters, so yes, it is inherently evil.\n\nThat being said, since this realm was created by satan, its worth nothing that not all moneys are made equal. Posters in here comment one what is was meant to be, a medium of exchange, but neglect all the other purposes its been put to purpose for. Control of the mint is one example. It wasn't enough that sometimes you might get some gold or silver, you were coerced to have specific faces on it that was getting continually debased to finance pillaging of the hinterland. Debt based models were created that supported indentured servitude, its coveting made many put the cart before the horse, seeking extractive rentier schemes instead of risky productive ones. It became so prevalent that all the bartering infrastructure practically disappeared. Economists cook up whacky schemes to proclaim the holiness of money in managing scarcity, when we see rampant overproducting and wealth inequality. Clearly somewhere along the line, people snuck alot of evil shit through the back door on money"}, {"id": 40, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZquV_6wnR0Y [Embed]"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nExplain in great detail how they are exactly the same then."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n~The case against the FED"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nNTA, but when Jesus said that the love of money is the root of all evil, the money he was talking about was coinage made from precious metals that have value and scarcity outside of being a mere trade medium. Paper currency is an abstraction of that, and digital a further abstraction. In a way, the money of today is just a placeholder for (or \"want of,\" if you will) the money that Jesus was familiar with."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "[spoiler] [/spoiler]\n[spoiler] [/spoiler]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nchinese people with a chinese baby"}, {"id": 3, "content": "is this real"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">movie still\nlmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYes, the Chinese resorted to throwing babies at the approaching Japanese to distract them. Luckily, the Colonel in question was able to catch the baby by spearing its baggy gown with his bayonet. He later adopted the boy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's from a propaganda film lol..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nA heartwarming Disney classic..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's your favourite castle?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n12th & 16th century are the best"}, {"id": 3, "content": "why was 1535 such a downgrade lmao"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe one that has been guarding our capital city for almost 2 millennia."}, {"id": 5, "content": "1428 > 1215 > 1125 > 1535 > 980 > 882\n\nWhen you think of a castle you picture 1428 and 1215."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy did castle walls downgrade to soulless wooden fences? even ancient humans were building stone walls"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nBetter / less convoluted fort against cannon; palace designed for comfort rather than to withstand a siege"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nSomething something apocalyptic collapse of western eurpean society first at the fall of rome then the long winter"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nCost. Roman government was big and had a big bureaucracy, well developed taxation system that let them efficiently extract wealth from the population, and then allocate money to infrastructure projects. It was a lot harder for medieval governments to efficiently do this with much smaller governments and fewer literate people to go around.\n\nStone is costly to work with because it is very heavy. You need either specialized machines to move it, or more teams of animals and people, and these costs are exacerbated by the fact that you often have to haul stone long distances from where it is quarried, whereas timber was readily available everywhere in Europe at the time.\n\nSo in the early medieval period most of the stone you saw was leftovers from Roman construction or else indicative of a very wealthy and well-organized medieval kingdom."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1428 the spired towers are peak kino"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1125 looks best. The earlier ones are too simple and the later ones feel like the author gave up on realism."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPure castle? Beaumaris castle. Fortified location in general? Palmanova."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n882 and 980 are peak gritty and 1125 is peak sovl\nanything after gives the ick"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n882 then 980. i like when it looks more like an outpost on the frontier/unexplored lands."}, {"id": 15, "content": "The ultimate symbol of American capitalism and industrialism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was right IRL?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMight makes right!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any prominent WW2-era political figures that have mentioned the Holocaust in their memoirs? People like Churchill, De Gaulle or Eisenhower didn't."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA handful of jews having to do labor in a camp isn’t a world shaking event, believe it or not"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"The wholesale massacre by systematized processes of six or seven millions of men, women, and children in the German execution camps exceeds in horror the rough and ready butcheries of Genghis Khan, and in scale reduces them to pygmy proportions. Deliberate extermination of whole populations was contemplated and pursued by both Germany and Russia in the Eastern war.\"\n\n\n-THE SECOND WORLD WAR “The Gathering Storm” page 15\n\nOP, are you deliberately lying, or just have no fucking clue what you're talking about?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Red pill me on the Afanasievo Culture, Tarim and BMAC."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngo read a book or paper"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfanasievo culture: offshot of early yamnaya, mixed very slightly with BMAC and tarim people, nothing much special, they probably introduced bronze to chinese, spent a time doing nothing in the tarim basin and eventually probably gave rise to tocharians.\nTarim: used to be inhabited by West siberian hunter gatherers, a mixture of east asian Hunter Gatherers and ANE, probably mixed with anfanasievo, they probably were the predecesor of tocharians, and relatively important for the silk road trade, they got btfo by mongols though\nBMAC: Just nother neolithic pypos from iran, some think they spoke proto dravidian"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfanasievo - a bunch of steppe niggers, brought euro sheep to Mongolia starting Mongolian pastoralism, actually weren't very successful. Possibly migrated South to the Tarim Basin and became Tocharians.\n\nTarim - originally inhabited by an isolated ANE population, later on mixed with Afanasievo and Andronovo derived cultures, not much of the original ANE ancestry survived\n\nBMAC - extension of Iranian urban civilization. Farmers from the South expanded North and settled in Central Asia building large settlements and villages, probably domesticated Bactrian camels. They had contacts with Mesopotamia, Indus Valley, obviously also Iran and the northern steppes. The culture came into contact with steppe pastoralists around 2200 BC and collapsed around 1800 BC. Their ancestry is common in later people living there, including modern ones."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>. The culture came into contact with steppe pastoralists around 2200 BC\nActually 3000 BC\n>Their ancestry is common in later people living there, including modern ones.\nTheir Ydna is but the autosomal ancestry not so much"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBMAC? No. BMAC wasn't even a thing 3000 BC.\n\n>not so much\nBMAC is often the main ancestry of modern Central Asians south of Kazakhstan."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>BMAC? No. BMAC wasn't even a thing 3000 BC.\nYes it did exist retard\n>BMAC is often the main ancestry of modern Central Asians south of Kazakhstan.\nOnly their Ydna is but their autosomal ancestry has been replaced by IE and Turkic migrations"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBMAC is from around 2500-2400.\n\n>Only their Ydna is but their autosomal ancestry has been replaced by IE and Turkic migrations\nNo, you can't model modern Central Asians without BMAC."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nTarget: Kyrgyzstan\nDistance: 1.4755% / 0.01475487\n83.8 Mongolian\n11.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n4.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>BMAC is from around 2500-2400.\nIt already existed in 3000 BC you retard\n>No, you can't model modern Central Asians without BMAC.\nI literally can and they lack significant BMAC ancestry because of population replacements"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nFit didn't change despite removing 1/3 of the sources (BMAC)\n\nTarget: Kyrgyzstan\nDistance: 1.9794% / 0.01979382\n84.6 Mongolian\n15.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIRN_Ganj_Dareh isn't BMAC.\n\n>>10\nThe culture did not exist 3000 BC. Back then the ancestral cultures like Namazga existed there. BMAC proto-cities weren't a thing yet. I don't know why you insult me if you're clearly ignorant about topic.\n\n>population replacement\nIron Age samples are roughly 40-50% BMAC, 40-50% Sintashta, 10% Slab Grave (proto-Mongols).\nBMAC ancestry spread with pastoralists reaching Tarim Basin and even Mongolia. Most Sarmatians have minor BMAC ancestry, even the ones in Europe.\nToday Tajiks derive half of their ancestry from BMAC."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>IRN_Ganj_Dareh isn't BMAC.\nIt is they're Iran Neolithic descendants\n>The culture did not exist 3000 BC\nIt quite literally did retard and I don't know why you were dumb enough to deny this\n>Iron Age samples\nNo they don't Kazakh Iron Age is 15% BMAC and the rest of the Iron Age samples are lacking\n>BMAC ancestry spread with pastoralists reaching Tarim Basin and even Mongolia.\nAnd it never forms the first or even second largest component in those populations\n>Today Tajiks\nThey're only 1 country out of 7 modern Central Asians have almost no BMAC ancestry"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nNo, they are a mix of Iran_Neolithic, minor Western ancestry (Anatolian-like, probably from Mesopotamia) and ANE-related source that pre-date Yamnaya/Afanasievo expansion (a good source for this one seems to be the recently sequenced neolithic sample from Tajikistan).\n\n>They're only 1 country out of 7 modern Central Asians have almost no BMAC ancestry\nUzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens all have this ancestry. The civilization developed in modern Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, not further North, so it's no surprise people further North have very little of this ancestry.\n\n>And it never forms the first or even second largest component in those populations\nIt often reaches 20% or more. That's 1/5 of ancestry in territories that are far from the core BMAC territory.\n\n>It quite literally did retard and I don't know why you were dumb enough to deny this\n\n>This collection of essays presents a synthesis of current research on the Oxus Civilization, which rose and developed at the turn of the 3rd to 2nd millennia BC in Central Asia.\nLate 2000s, early 1000s BC.\n\nFrom The World of the Oxus Civilization."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>No, they are a mix of Iran_Neolithic\nThey're 90% Iran Neolithic\n>Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens all have this ancestry.\nDon't forget 4% Kyrgyz too\n>The civilization developed in modern Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan\nYou claimed it's the main ancestry \"south of Kazakhstan\" and I already showed it wasn't and goes as low as 4% \"south of Kazakhstan\"\n>It often reaches 20% or more.\nThat's nothing retard and shows how desperate you are after getting BTFO and shifting the goalposts from \"main ancestry\" to \"20%\" after you got proven wrong\n>Late 2000s, early 1000s BC.\nYou were saying retard?\n>Models of two-wheeled carts from c.3000 BC found at Altyn-Depe are the earliest evidence of wheeled transport in Central Asia, though model wheels have come from contexts possibly somewhat earlier.\n>A model of a cart drawn by a camel of c.2200 BC was found at Altyn-Depe."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>that's nothing\nThose are northern pastoralists. Here are some Iron Age samples from the former BMAC territory.\n\nTurkmenistan IA - 43% Gonur BMAC, 52% Sintashta, 2% Megiddo IA, 2% Tarim EMBA 1 - 2.39%\nTianshan Saka - 19% Gonur BMAC, 49% Sintashta, 23% Slab Grave, 9% Tarim - 1.39%\nUdegram Swat IA - 43% Gonur BMAC, 14% Sintashta, 2% Slab Grave, 4% Tarim, 37% Indus9 - 1.35%\nKsirov Kushan - 42% Gonur BMAC, 31% Sintashta, 15% Megiddo IA, 6% Slab Grave, 5% Tarim - 1.78%\n\nYaghnobi Tajik - 45% Gonur BMAC, 40% Sintashta MLBA, 9% Megiddo IA, 6% Slab Grave EIA - distance 1.51%\n\n>Models of two-wheeled carts from c.3000 BC found at Altyn-Depe are the earliest evidence of wheeled transport in Central Asia, though model wheels have come from contexts possibly somewhat earlier.\n>A model of a cart drawn by a camel of c.2200 BC was found at Altyn-Depe.\nSo? That's not BMAC. Or are you saying it's from Sintashta which wasn't even a thing for the next 1000 years?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAnd Iron Age Uzbekistan. I think these samples were of low quality because they never ended up on the main G25 sheet.\n\nRabat LIA average - 39% Gonur BMAC, 36% Sintashta MLBA, 20% Megiddo IA, 5% Slab Grave EIA - distance 1.16%."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Those are northern pastoralists.\nNorthern pastoralists were showing 15% which is not much different and today's Kazakhs and Kyrgyz have <5% BMAC ancestry\n>Here are some Iron Age samples from the former BMAC territory.\nIt wasn't even 50% back then just lol\n>Yaghnobi Tajik\nTajiks are the only Central Asians to have significant BMAC ancestry while the rest of the Central Asians have 0-20% BMAC ancestry\n>So? That's not BMAC.\nIt literally is\n>Bronze Age (BMAC) archaeological site in Turkmenistan, near Aşgabat, inhabited first from c. 3200 to 2400 BCE"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>it wasn't even 50% back then\nIt was still their main component. I don't know what's your problem. You claimed that BMAC people got replaced when they clearly weren't and all later samples from south Central Asia carry their ancestry.\n\n>>Bronze Age (BMAC) archaeological site in Turkmenistan, near Aşgabat, inhabited first from c. 3200 to 2400 BCE\nThat's incorrect. BMAC isn't that old. Oh right, it's wikipedia and it contradicts itself in the BMAC article.\n\n>The Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex (short BMAC) or Oxus Civilization, recently dated to c.2250–1700 BC,[3][4]\n\n> \"...Salvatori has often dated its beginning very early (ca. 2400 BC), to make it match with Shahdad where a large amount of material similar to that of the BMAC has been discovered. With the start of international cooperation and the multiplication of analyses, the dates now admitted by all place the Oxus Civilization between 2250 and 1700 BC, while its final phase extends until ca. 1500 BC...\"\nFrom The World of the Oxus Civilization. It's even younger then. It did develop from earlier cultures from the region, though."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>It was still their main component.\nHow is BMAC their main component when they were 19% Gonur BMAC, 49% Sintashta? This is before Mongol Turks replaced IE Central Asia btw\n>You claimed that BMAC people got replaced\nThey did and that's why Central Asians have 0-20% BMAC ancestry as opposed to your false claim that BMAC is the \"main ancestry south of Kazakhstan\"\n>later samples from south Central Asia carry their ancestry.\nThey're now 0-20% in their territory\n>That's incorrect.\nCope\n>Bronze Age (BMAC) archaeological site in Turkmenistan, near Aşgabat, inhabited first from c. 3200 to 2400 BCE\n3200 BC BMAC\n>It did develop from earlier cultures from the region\nThe civilization grew directly out of the older 4000 BC culture and they maintained steppe contacts"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>How is BMAC their main component when they were 19% Gonur BMAC, 49% Sintashta? This is before Mongol Turks replaced IE Central Asia btw\nTianshan samples are from Kazakhstan. 20% ancestry from urbanites who lived in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan in Saka from Kazakhstan is a lot.\nAs you can see people who lived further South had more of their ancestry. I expect Sogdians and Bactrians to be around half BMAC or more."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>20% ancestry from urbanites who lived in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan in Saka from Kazakhstan is a lot.\nIt's nothing compared to the original 100% people\n>As you can see people who lived further South had more of their ancestry.\nIt's still 43% Gonur BMAC, 52% Sintashta, not their \"main component\" even before the Mongol Turk Central Asia replaced IE Central Asia"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThey never lived in Kazakhstan.\n\n>It's still 43% Gonur BMAC, 52% Sintashta\nThat's just one sample. The Kushan sample has more BMAC ancestry."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>They never lived in Kazakhstan.\nBMAC samples were found in Kazakhstan\n>The Kushan sample has more BMAC ancestry.\nNot a majority component in the most BMAC-rich samples even before the Mongol Turk Central Asia replaced IE Central Asia"}, {"id": 25, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nMongols are 20% Afanasievo, for a single tribe of herders they left quite a legacy."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nBMAC/Oxus people are literally majority N_Iran/Zagroasian pastoralists lol"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\n>a good source for this one seems to be the recently sequenced neolithic sample from Tajikistan).\nA single sample is not indicative of much"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nThey aren’t."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nMore like 1-5% Afanasievo but Afanasievo may have left descendants like Genghis Khan in Mongolia"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFnUAYzo1s&pp=ygUVcmFhZiBtYWNodGlnc3RlIGtvbmln [Embed]\n>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9OUJcbgnXg&pp=ygUed2FzIGlzdCBkZXMgZGV1dHNjaGUgdmF0ZXJsYW5k [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is every /his/torian's favourite channel.\nPosting these three because they're personal to me:\nhttps://youtu.be/zfjjmSasssI [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/WOCkEIACQqg [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/6gar6MONCKs [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaoist era opera: \"The Sun Comes Out Singing\" from \"The White-Haired Girl.\"\n\nhttps://youtu.be/pb6koTOzaFo [Embed]\n\n>The White-Haired Girl (Chinese: 白毛女; pinyin: Bái Máo Nǚ) is a Chinese opera, ballet, (later adapted to Beijing Opera and a film) by Yan Jinxuan to a Chinese libretto by He Jingzhi and Ding Yi. The folklore of the white-haired girl is believed to have spread widely in the areas occupied by the Communist Party of Northern China since the late 1930s ... The opera is based on legends circulating in the border region of Shanxi, Chahar and Hebei, describing the misery suffered by local peasantry, particularly the misery of the female members. The stories are based on real-life stories of no fewer than half a dozen women, in a time frame stretching from the late Qing dynasty to the 1920s or 1930s ... The White-Haired Girl also intentionally showed the political meaning by creating a figure of diligent and beautiful country woman who was under the oppression of the evil landowner. As it aroused an emotion against the \"old ruling class\", it satisfied \"moral ideas of the left-wing literary and artistic intelligence, the popular social and cultural values of rural and urban audiences\".\n\nThe girl's hair is white because she escaped from her landlord to a mountain temple where there was a lack of sunlight and little salt intake, so her skin and hair turned white, causing local villagers to perceive her as a powerful white-haired godess."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPqQP_iHCEs [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKMwWZVpPE [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Ufc2hI4FM [Embed]\n>>2\nhurts tho that they have nothing on my ethnicity and idk if that means they are ignoring us/are too busy or if we truly do as i fear have jack shit to post about"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>my ethnicity\nThirdie ethnicity, probably."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\ni mean... technically? but definitely not the places you are thinking of tho\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO2W6GQeARE [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n:(\nJust tell me what you are"}, {"id": 8, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8ioZkb-Sc [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": "video is \"chollima on the wings\" (yt sometimes displays this message when watching an embed and it isnt actually region locked, but if it is theres vpns and/or other uploads)\n>>7\nsomali (somalilander technicallybut whatever) wanted to avoid saying it to a dodge a flowing river of anons calling me the n word but in for a penny in for a pound"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>somali (somalilander technicallybut whatever) wanted to avoid saying it to a dodge a flowing river of anons calling me the n word but in for a penny in for a pound\nAaah okay.\nI don't consider you black, you're my fellow Caucasoid :D"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nfuck forgot to post a song, two to make up\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztwNogPha6I [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK_RkH7aHb8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMnXhAFW0vc [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxCiIXRaWY [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLr1GZ5oI2Y [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZIKsaSzQ4 [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVoWh7faBvg [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwFnBar4bk [Embed]\nCrusader songs"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nI presume you're not a big fan of Turkey?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nGood guess :D"}, {"id": 15, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/zhJEqNpgr7M [Embed]\n\nhttps://youtu.be/-BvN5p8bZq8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xbAeTiZm8Q&t=6s [Embed]\nonly moment of French hisotry when both republicans and monarchists came to unite against rootless intellectuals who pushed for \"progress (of exactly what?)\" and other leftie lunatics."}, {"id": 18, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0olrJAmX60 [Embed]"}, {"id": 19, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xr1Wd17w-g [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1Qm6TqajU [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwq5MQLKcwQ [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXFO5Wlz7E [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjh9zArF52g [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08db7dp7hPg [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrKFOmBZVpA [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqeQ8uS5zpI [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCpblOvToL4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsh3xtFeprA [Embed]"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBump"}, {"id": 23, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT4OKjeLFVE [Embed]"}, {"id": 24, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdI2xPHw_k [Embed]"}, {"id": 25, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5hZWjvcgdM [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voi6jo8r7AQ [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC98ZKiSsV0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmy /his/ best of all cultural continents list:\nEuropean native\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l41Oi0rbUXE [Embed]\nEast Asian (Sinosphere) native\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPxXYwCnc7w [Embed]\nIndian native\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecMGhaq-7Hs [Embed]\nAfrican native\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtHLCw4rYI0 [Embed]\nNorth American native\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLbLbV7r2ZA&t= [Embed]\nSouth American native\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bhkseifA9o [Embed]\nOceanian native (it was almostt impossible to find a good one)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzbna8Y8ag4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nfunny thing is Chinese song i used here is not just popular around Chinese but also is official anthem of a proto-state in Myanmar\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmsbn_delro [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dczb6cXVD1I [Embed]"}, {"id": 29, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A1PJmmf72Q [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-yqYGUvAWA [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jio1HP94R8 [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0szo6O6vTC0 [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX5qguWrzMU [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bvrjAF00o [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKrLvtDm-pE [Embed]"}, {"id": 30, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAlg_xnaJQc [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that the prowess of the US army and it's generals during the WW2 campaigns in Europe is mostly a work of hollywood fiction?I've read about it several times already to the point it made me quite curious. The main argument seems to be that while mutts could get quite motivated to fight the nips over what they did to pearl harbor, their fight in europe was mostly just an obligation to them. Fight they had no interest in or in worse case, fight that was actually against their own beliefs as many were sympathetic to the Nazi cause. As a result they wouldn't display any of the fighting zeal and fantasim the Red Army/Wermacht had, and would really just sorta attack only when they had overwhelming numbers and call in artillery/air/tank support for every machinegun post their encountered.\n\nHow true is that /his/?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did 1 Jew convince billions of goyim dogs to love him more than their family, worship human sacrifice, drink his blood and eat his flesh?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe JEW pilpuls the goatse of cuckolds to dildo the anus with soi and that is why niggos rape dogs."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It was God’s will."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's your take on muscular Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo such thing"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGoogle it"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Christianity embodies warrior virtue as well and always has."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt hasn't always a lot of catholics allowed themselves to become feeble and weak on purpose believing that's how God intended them to be"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It's an absurd cope of men having an identity crisis for believing in a effeminate religion"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>cope\nwhy don't brownoids learn a few more english words so they don't sound like retards on an english speaking website?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nEuropeans redefined Christianity as a warrior ethos to appeal to their natural inclinations. Christ is not a warrior figure whatsoever."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean whatever as long as you don’t pretend it has something to do with Jesus.\nIs there any other religion where there are no gods that are explicitly in great shape with good muscles?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIt wasn't some post-facto redefinition.\n\nA lot of early missionaries to more martial tribes basically ran on a message of \"our god beat death\", which isn't a radical shift from old school Christus Victor theology present in early Christianity."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nHow many times does the Bible mention the word strength?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nEvery god beats death, they’re all immortal. Jesus is one of the only ones in any religion that even gets killed, by guys with wood and iron poles and nails nonetheless"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Every god beats death, they’re all immortal.\nNot in the immortality way, in the \"He broke the very concepts of death and evil via heroic sacrifice'"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHow is it heroic if he was just going to respawn three days later?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nZero times, because the Bible is written in Greek and Hebrew.\n\n>>13\nThis shows up in every Indo-European religion, in Shinto, and in Chinese Folk Religion. It's also the entire point of Buddhism. Jews didn't invent coming back from the dead."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nPhysical strength? I can’t think of a single part where being physically strong is taught as a lesson beyond needing to work a physical job if at all.\nIf there is a lifting section of the Bible it is minuscule."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nYou are completely missing the point.\nThe story they ran with isn't \"deity respawns\", but \"Evil tries to kill hero, and hero instead ontologically breaks any sort of tyranny evil has upon humanity\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>but \"Evil tries to kill hero, and hero instead ontologically breaks any sort of tyranny evil has upon humanity\"\nI’ve literally never been to a church or known a Christian who thinks humanity is free from evil. They see evil as something to be resisted."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Evil tries to kill hero, and hero instead ontologically breaks any sort of tyranny evil has upon humanity\nSo exactly what happens in every Indo-European religion, Shinto, and Chinese Folk religion, but ironically not what happens in Christianity."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nNot only that but full on psychosis and paranoia that Satan is around every corner. Christians absolutely live in fire fear of the real possibility of eternal hell."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's gay since from the Fathers of the Desert, gymnastics and working out the body has been seen as vain and futile, you should capitalize spiritual workout"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>I’ve literally never been to a church or known a Christian who thinks humanity is free from evil.\nI suppose that you could make the argument that because 99% of Christians believe the damnable and unforgiveable heresy of rejecting bodily resurrection and instead believe that they, as gentiles, get to physically enter heaven after death that most Christians could be said to be freed from evil in as much as Jesus's sacrifice now lets gentiles into heaven.\n\nHaving said that, this common Christian understanding of the afterlife is a literal actual modernist heresy that is rejected by every single Christian denomination, and as stated is punishable by eternal damnation, so I don't think that this really counts in the way that Thor goes around altering ontology, fighting the metaphysical decay of the universe, and what not.\n\nThis also has the unintended consequence of making Yahweh look like a fucking psychopath as the only reason that gentiles weren't allowed into heaven in the first place was because Yahweh said that only Jews are allowed in."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nYes it was lol. Christianity was completely Germanicised before it ever became widespread in N. Europe, i.e. see the Heliand."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>Physical strength\nRealistically that's the only real strength that exists"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>5\nAnd a lot of them became muscular and strong military leaders, such as St. Louis IX"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">x christianity\nAnything that adds or subtracts from Christianity is false"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Pretty dang gay"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\ntrue in the grand scheme of things. Spiritual fitness/workout = askesis/asceticism literally means exercise of the soul."}, {"id": 29, "content": "whatever creates more hot men is good"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>7\nChristianity is for brown shitholers"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\nSeethe"}, {"id": 32, "content": "I was reading some articles on this topic the other day and they made a lot of sense. Brits where feeling impotent due to the falling strength of their empire so they started doing this thing to cope. I wonder if what we see with all these eChristian larpers is a similar manifestation just in the united states."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nwere*"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be Catholic\n>required to fast, feast, and do OMAD\n>be required to care for my body\n>be required to help the weak\n>become stronger\nFeels good man."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>4\nHere's your muscular cucktianity bro\nhttps://youtu.be/DuaPedGhu3g [Embed]"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\nA Christian that paranoid either has weak faith or is no Christian at all."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nUh oh, seems like someone doesn't fear God. You're going to HELL"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\noxymoronic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are whites genetically enginereed by god to fulfill the sexual needs of brown people?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">hijra got triggered again\nKEEEEEK"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Hijras... not like this... the white aryan man is going to throw us into a reservation again\n\nour dravidian dalit bussies are literally shaking"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nso basically everything related to indians was done by nordic aryans? its over... so over\nhave we dravidian dalit hijras been always slaves meant for the pleasure of aryans? a entire subcontinent of billions of people fathered by white men and our hijrancestors.... not like this they even sissified us and turned us into hijras"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nyes, indians are a servant race, the whole caste system in india is based on aryan ancestry retention, on india the whiter you are the more \"high caste\" people considers you, both in skin and genetics ofc. take a telugu shudra and a telugu brahmin and the brahmin will have 700%/7 times more nordic ancestry"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nits over, so this is why dravidian hijra pygmies are locked into reservations?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nyes yes basically, all Intellectuals, warriors, leaders, philosophers, elites, etc of india were aryans, while all dalits and shudras the native aboriginal stone age hijras\nhijras and their alpine potato heads resembling pygmies have been engineered by aryan masters for over 5000 years to serve, this is why indians are extremely servile, dumb, ugly, weak, submissive, and smelly, they were even deprived from sense of self preservation, this is why they would even bathe in shit."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\nsubhuman samefag"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>8\ntroonwitch cope.\neven after 4000 years brahmins have 700% more aryan ancestry than dalit dravidian trannies"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith genetic engineering on the rise... brown people won't even exist by the next century"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol no"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Al-Tīǧ ānī continues with anecdotes about ʿAbda bint ʿAbd Allāh ibn Yazīd ibn Muʿāwiya, a member of the Umayyad house who was married to the caliph Hišām ibn ʿAbd al-Malik (reigned 105-125/724-743). Quoting from the eleventh-century scholar alBīrūnī, he recounts that “she was exceedingly fat and could not stand without the help of three or four slave girls.” In a rather cruel interaction, Hišām offers her a priceless pearl if she stands up unaided; she does so with great exertion only to fall on her face and bloody her nose, upon which he gives her the pearl. The anecdote itself has nothing to say about the aesthetic or erotic valence of ʿAbda’s bulk, but once again al-Tīǧ ānī creates an artful juxtaposition, following up with a passage from another source in which she is described as so dazzlingly beautiful that she enthralls a man who is otherwise uninterested in women. This passage does not mention her fatness, just as the first did not mention her allure; put together, however, they construct a picture of a woman who is irresistibly corpulent\n\n>These stories are followed by one from the Kitāb al-aġānī about another woman of the Umayyad era, Hind, the daughter of Asmā’ ibn Ḫāriǧ a. The scenario involves her engagement and marriage to al-Ḥaǧ ǧ āǧ ; she is described as being so fat that her black silk shawl gets caught between her buttocks and her back, and she cannot stand up straight because of her bulk. Again, the cited passage offers no commentary on her attractiveness, although al-Ḥaǧ ǧ āǧ is certainly depicted as being very eager to secure her hand and consummate the marriage; the description of his lavish marriage gift places this woman of size within an atmosphere of luxury and prestige"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Later in the work, al-Tīǧ ānī inventories the positive and negative characteristics of individual parts of the female body. He devotes one section to the charms of rolls of stomach fat (ʿukan). While he acknowledges these to be inherently unattractive to those who prefer slender women, the discussion is largely positive; he cites a series of poetic passages praising these folds, although one emphasizes that they should be modest in size\n\n>He returns to the subject of fat in his discussion of the hindquarters (ardāf), pointing out that a woman is known as ʿaǧ zā’ if she has a large posterior; “This is one of the attributes of the woman who is considered attractive (al-mar’a al-mustaḥsana), [although] some have disliked for it to be excessively large…” He notes, however, that two words for women having small posteriors are universally considered to be terms of disapprobation\n\n>Despite his acknowledgement of varying masculine tastes, this section once again features images of prodigiously large women of the early Islamic elite. In one anecdote, ʿĀ’iša bint Ṭalḥa (the niece of the Prophet’s wife ʿĀ’iša) is described as needing two women help her to stand up. This is followed by a report in which a woman recounts how she visited ‘Ā’iša bint Ṭalḥa and mistakenly thought that there was another woman sitting behind her, so massive were her hindquarters"}, {"id": 3, "content": "200 kg Arab genes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBitch showed her ankle, time to stone her"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nDo Muslim Women look like this where you live, Eurobros?\n\nhttps://fa.sexfilmer.top/video/354/جوانان-بزرگ-دانلودفیلم-سوپربکن-بکن-خارجی-طبیعی-در-حال-چکیدن-تقدیر/"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\nI love fat asses"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou are me."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe West Africans got to the middle east...\nIt's over."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBantu blood."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nArabs have these butts because their male ancestors were fucking East African slave women"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNatufian"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>The men closest to Allah were Architects\nI'm muslim now bros"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuilt for BBC"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who would you say are the greatest knights of the Middle Ages? For me it's:\n>El Cid\n>William Marshal\n>Henry Hotspur\n>Edward the Black Prince\n>Pierre Terrail\n>Jean le Maingre (Boucicaut)\n>Geoffroi de Charny\n>Bertrand du Guesclin\n>Zawisza Czarny"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which denomination’s baptisms has the most coverage? I hear that Orthodox baptisms cover Catholic baptisms but not the other way around. Protestant baptisms apparently have even less reciprocality ."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Judaism. It gets you into every denomination of Christianity, and all sects of Islam."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if he had been sent to the Ostfront instead of North Africa? Would the Germans have winned?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. A decent tactician as a corps commander is not going to make or break the eastern front.. And seriously, work on your English"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOkay, but would they have less losted?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nhttps://search.walletgenius.com/serp?q=esl%20english%20course%20online&segment=walletg.g005&s1aid=7737749499&s1cid=9262246760&s1agid=92927010374&s1kid=kwd-355208860935&utm_source=adwords&network_type=g&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvI_Gyfmu_gIVdufjBx315A4fEAAYAiAAEgLxxvD_BwE"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, they would have lost even quicker. He was a liability."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, he wasn't even that good compared to the likes of Manstein - as arrogant of a bastard, that guy was."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe would have won in Britcucks didn't cuck"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Race ahead\n>Supply line is cut off\n>Gets encircled and destroyed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWas there a single general in WW2 besides Omar Bradley who wasn’t a giant dramatic faggot? Can’t think of one."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nEisenhower\nTruscott"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n\nCharisma played a major factor among the generals. Thats why mediocre generals like Kesselring were given far more command than the stone faced but natural talents like Heinrici who had to take the back seat."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nRetard"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Rommels value was literally overrated. Hence why he was brought back to stop him dying eventually because propaganda value of him overseeing the Atlantic wall was better than him actually doing anything"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>Kesselring\n>mediocre"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nPatton"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "From what I remember reading, the traditional Chinese idea of politely expressing greetings and thanks to others was very elaborate, and many Europeans residing in China in the 19th century sought to avoid paying visits to the local officials precisely because of how tiresomely long just the obligatory niceties would usually take, especially adding in the language barrier. Usually all concerned would be polite enough, but exchanges tended to be a bit like this, repeatedly and theatrically praising the other party \"Oh no, Governor Wang, YOUR great hall is magnificently decorated, compared to my mean hovel\"\n\n\"You barbarian minister have truly travelled a long distance to reach my petty office, this shows your virtue and faithfulness, despite the distance of your small barbarian tribe from us, we take note the sincerity of your desire to acquire virtue\"\n\nGovernor Wang, I have merely taken a short stroll down the road to reach your temple of virtue and justice, in fact, I must offer my pathetic apologies for not paying you a visit more often\"\n\n\"Barbarian minister, please accept this mean gift of some local trifles\"\n\n\"Oh Governor Wang, these delicacies really are too much, you needn't have put your hard-working and skilled master chef to all this trouble, please accept some pathetic rubbish I have prepared for you also, although it is unworthy\"\n\nEtc., etc.\n\nIs this more or less accurate? Does this style of politeness still exist/influence modern Chinese?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "no, the Chinese are probably the rudest people on earth. That said, I like Chinese rudeness more than pajeet obsequiousness."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThank Mao for communism now modern Chinese have no manner in anyway whatsoever"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nChinese are extremely polite in China, honestly some of the most polite people I've met frankly, I would say South Koreans are more rude, Japanese are even more polite.\nThat said, when they're tourists they're insufferable, they do the same transformation as Brits and Australian's and become utter cunts, not to the same obnoxious level as Brits and Australians, but insanely inconsiderate.\n>>1 (OP)\nBefore the Revolution, China was an extremely heirarchical caste society to a level that can't really be understood, in the modern world. Like, say one thing wrong to someone in a higher class and you're on a one way street to essentially being a slave or having or feet cut off or some insane other punishment."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>not to the same obnoxious level as Brits and Australians, but insanely inconsiderate.\n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhTAtJSZkrc [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot quite to this level personally, but there are still vestiges of it. If you’re in China and somebody offers you something, you have to say no at least once, no matter how bad you want it. If it’s something you genuinely don’t want, be prepared to decline ten or twelve times before they take the hint. Some older people still believe that if you compliment something of theirs, they are obligated to give it to you. It’s different for foreigners, but I know a Chinese guy in the US who visited family, got offered a gift, spent hours declining it before finally accepting just to get them to stop, and then the Chinese side of the family called the American side as soon as he went back to his hotel to tell them what a greedy little shit he was.\n\nSpeaking of compliments, it’s starting to die out with the newer generation, but most people absolutely will not accept a compliment and you will be considered rude if you do. If somebody compliments you, your choice of responses is “where?”, as in, “Where’s the person you’re talking about, because it obviously couldn’t be me?” “who?”, in the same vain, or just straight up “no”. Some younger people will just say thank you nowadays, but this is absolutely not the norm.\n\nNow on a professional level this ass-kissing is turned up to 11. You can’t take a dump inside a company building in China without three ceremonies to commemorate and honor the wonderful friendship between the lowly Chinese company and the honorable and wondorous colleages from your grand company. It makes American meeting culture look spartan by comparison. I haven’t done any dealings with government officials, but I hear it’s the same verbal ass-kissing minus the extravagant gift-giving because they don’t want to get thrown in jail for corruption."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou haven't seen Brits in Southern Europe and Australian's in South East Asia.\nThat video + drunk fist fighting the staff then vomiting into eachother's mouths (Big Bird, Little Bird)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>China was an extremely heirarchical caste society to a level that can't really be understood, in the modern world. Like, say one thing wrong to someone in a higher class and you're on a one way street to essentially being a slave or having or feet cut off or some insane other\n\nThis is wrong and you're confusing China with Japan's servile society. Japanese peasants could be killed for being rude to samurai.\n\nYou could be personally rude in public in traditional China to a noble and you wouldn't get punished."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDlsrYU5se8 [Embed]\nIf you were a Serf, basically anything you did that pissed off a Landlord got you and your children beaten within an inch of your lives."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nJapanese are actually polite, and still is to this day. The same can't be said about Chinese"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nPeasants were free people. They didn't have to rent from landlords and could leave any time. They literally live and rent on another person's land.\n\nIn Japan if a samurai came to YOUR house and you didn't show respect he could kill."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nJapanese are only polite in public because they would get their heads smashed in by samurai, its genetically ingrained in them to worship their feudal masters who rent their karayuki san daughters off to foreign men as prostitutes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/2F3Xlp8j8-k [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>i.i..its...only tourists!\n\nOh? Have the mainlanders learned how to stand in a line or use a wastebasket yet?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Have the mainlanders learned how to stand in a line\nIt took 400 years to get rid of the queue, why would they go back to it?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nGood one"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Chinese were rather rude to foreigners during the days of the Qing Dynasty. Many diplomatic problems emerged over the Europeans not wanting to disgrace themselves by kowtowing."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nQueue hairstyle lasted less than 268 years in north China and far less in all of China."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Nobody cares, chinkspammer. You’re not that good at disguising yourself."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nTry again retard, that's not me.\n\nHan people never objected to wearing a queue braid, people objected to shaving the forehead"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nyes, yes it is. Same three obsessed posts about kariyuki-san prostitutes, it’s definitely you. You’re terrible at hiding, lmao. Just start spamming huge walls of text already, we all know you’re staring at this thread just waiting for an excuse to."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Wait, I've got an idea.\nWhat if we post \"kariyuki prostitutes didn't exist\" in every christfag thread?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\nYes it is. Stop denying it. Nobody believes you, we all know it’s you, chinkspammer. Literally no one cares about “karayuki-san” except you."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nOk Iraqi paedophile I totally believe you are a random third party person getting passed off over a 4chan post and not the Iraqi paedo incel posting in this thread right now.\n\nYou're the only person who pretends to white knight about karayuki san when you openly jack off to Japanese porn stars and insulted Vietnamese women\n\nAlso no where does this comment mention karayuki san >>18\n\nYou're exposing your stupidity even more. Now everyone who posts anything you think is pro-China is chinkspammer because they're in the same thread."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nsee what I mean? You’re too mentally broken, too much of a scrawny fanatical little nail-biting gook to blend in with normal humans.\n\nYou can’t hide, chinkspammer. I’ll always sniff you out like a Japanese military dog sniffing out refugees in nanking."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>17\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nArabs in Iraq. Spawn of millenia of rape by Turco-Mongols (Seljuqs, Ottomans, Afsharids, Mongol Ilkhanate, Jalayarids, Safavid Qizilbash Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu, Qara Qoyunlu), Indo-Europeans (Persians, Armenians, Americans), Kavkazis (Georgians) and Han Chinese people.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#10252672\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\n\n\nImagine being such a subhuman that both Armenians and Turks consider you filth and raped your ancestors. Assyrians, Armenians and Turks all consider Iraqi Sunni Arabs to be subhuman irredeemable filth.\n\nLike this subhuman Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab Islamist who is a slave of the Turks.\n\n>>unknown\nCheck how much Armenian DNA you have mongrel.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WV6xyqWu6A [Embed]\n\nhttps://meaningfulworld.com/our-work/un/sexualized-violence-against-iraqi-women-by-us-occupying-forces\n\nIraqi Sunni Muslim Arab woman raped by American.\n\nIraqi Sunni Arab girls have been raped by Hulagu's Mongols, Jalayarid Mongols,, Timur's Turco-Mongols, Shia Twelver Qara Qoyunlu Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu Turkmen, Safavids and Ottoman Turks and Georgian Mamluks."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYou're descended from centuries of rape by Turco Mongols who repeatedly mass raped Baghdad multiple times and Americans raped you again in 2003 and Iranians and their militias are doing the same today."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nHere we go! Knew you were chomping at the bit. I can almost hear those pasty little yellow fingers flying across your keyboard. Creepy little gook. You know most human females scrunch up their noses at the sight of you for a reason, right?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nSure, zipperhead, I don’t really care, because I’m not an Arab. You’re an unstable obsessed zipperhead though and I’m genuinely fascinated as to what you look like and what your life story is. You literally approach Terry Davis levels of mental illness."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nI proudly take credit for what I post unlike you coward who pretend to be other ethnicities so no one would mention your country's millenia long history of getting raped.\n\nI said I didn't post this single comment >>18 and prodly took credit for other posts and you sperg and think every \"pro-China\" poster in the thread is a single person."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>many Europeans residing in China in the 19th century sought to avoid paying visits to the local officials precisely because of how tiresomely long just the obligatory niceties would usually take\nConsidering 18th and 19th century european etiquette mandated a shitton of obligatory timewasting niceties I shudder to think just how long the chinese version must have been to turn euros off."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>>29\nYou don't care about \"yellow gooks\" or Arabs but pretend to white knight for yellow gook Japanese girls whored off by their own men and get enraged at 4chan posts humiliating Arabs and Japanese.\n\nCurse Aisha, mongrel."}, {"id": 33, "content": "I hate how you can never discuss Chinese topics on /his/ without a select schizo shitheads shitting up the threads."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nFuck Aisha. I’d shove my cock in Aisha’s mouth and tight pussy lips.\n\nYou’re still a deranged, obsessed little gook that nobody appreciates, forever enraged at the Chinese reputation for being a submissive race :^)\nLittle gook, little gook, why do you hide?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nUh, because you are, zipperhead. You posted about Manchu queues lasting 268 years, stop denying it. You’re still not doing a thing to save face gook, Momma Gook is going to come out and whip you for dishonor famiry, ROOK OUT! Dishonest lying little chink, no wonder your race has been so hated by so many."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>2\nChinese Zoomers are rude but in a hilarious way that loops back around into making you like them. I had roommates and friends in college who could crack you up with their blunt and straight forward shit, I much preferred it over fake niceties."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>>35\nNo proud person would ever white knight for another ethnicity like Japanese that whored their own girls out."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nhttps://youtu.be/j1xRwaXKU_c [Embed]"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nI don’t care about Japanese either. They’re submissive yellow gooks. just like you!\n\nTry again. The Manchu post is yours. Stop desperately trying to cover your tracks. I KNOW you made it."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>unknown\n70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.\n\nOver 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373\n\nAnd before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572\n\nJapanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>unknown\n>>40\nThe US government funded Japanese unit 731 scientists to conduct biological germ tests on Japanese civilians after World War II.\n\nhttps://theguardian.newspapers.com/clip/122763034/postwar-japan-us-backed-japans-germ/\n\n\nFrom 1983 UK Observer scoop - \"Experiments on human guinea pigs by members of the Japanese germ warfare unit continued in Japan after the war with the help of secret funding from the American Government\""}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>17\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>26\nTimur died while he was on his way to China and he never managed to invade China.\n\nTimur i Lang (Tamerlame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.\n\nThis is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.\n\nhttps://archive.is/IJQD0\n\nremove the . between just and paste to get the url.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98\n\nThey say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated. Iraqi Arabs are the rape children of Timur.\n\nAll Arab women were violated and raped by Turks, Mongols, Ethiopians, Persians, Armenians etc."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nhttps://www.ijhssi.org/papers/vol7(3)/Version-3/G0703033642.pdf\n>Iraq is the country greatly affected by Turkish terms. The dialect of Iraq during the previous centuries was influenced by the Persian, English, Sumerian and Turkish languages. Iraq, like all other Arab countries, has its own dialects which are almost identical.\n\nIraqi Arab prostitutes services white men in Jordan. Allahu Akbar. Allah has decreed this الحمدلله على كل حال. الحمدلله على كل شيء\n\nhttps://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a1810/iraqi-refugees-prostitutes-sex/\n>The crowning irony among many of the women I met: Their best clients in Amman are American and European military personnel and contractors — the same sort of men they had worked for as translators and fixers. Now they are servicing them in a different way altogether.\n\n>Samara is a 23-year-old from the Diyala province in eastern Iraq. She spends several nights a week at the Cottage (or the disco at the Holiday Inn, or the Hyatt) to make enough money to last a few days. She wears short skirts, drinks, smokes, flirts.\n\n>Later, as she sits on the edge of the coffee table in my hotel room, it's hard to picture her as a nightclub denizen. She has long, dark hair and a round face that barely moves when she talks — her eyebrows don't furrow; her chin never stiffens. She is almost completely still, except for when she drops her head and stares at her lap. She explains that since she moved to Amman in 2006, she has slept with \"British men, Americans, Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians. God knows how many.\" She has been pregnant, and sold a thin gold necklace, her only piece of jewelry, to pay for the abortion. \"I love children,\" she says. \"I would love to have children someday.\"\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/tiNq0\n>Iraqi arabs will have 70% turkish ancestry talking about we wuz babylonians like girl get your ass back to mongolia along with the other turks…"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>43\nEven Saudi Arabians agree that Iraqi Arabs are the world's most raped mystery meat. The Saudi Iranic Balochi Mansur al-Balushi made this rape chart for Irakis showing how Iraqis have been raped for 2,600 years and Iraqi \"Arabs\" are mystery meat mongrels. And his Saudi Arab followers are cheering him, a Baluchi (Iranic) on as he insults Iraqi Arabs. You are worthless scum to Saudis\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10929965/#q10930979\n\nAnd western journalists and historians agree Baghdad and Iraq is the most raped place on earth and Iraqis are the most raped mystery meat people\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/jun/20/baghdad-iraq-psychological-toll-worlds-most-attacked-city\n\n>Baghdad: the psychological toll of being the world’s most attacked city\n\n>For more than a thousand years the population of the Iraqi capital has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter\n\n>No city on earth has been attacked as often, or as brutally, as Baghdad. Once again, the residents of the Iraqi capital are bracing for another possible invasion, with the jihadist forces of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) less than 50 miles north of Baghdad at the time of writing. For a force that is supposed to number only several thousand, Isis gains in Iraq have taken the world by surprise, turning old certainties on their head and prompting the US and Iran to think the unthinkable and cooperate on Iraq.\n\n>But for the city that is next on the Isis target list, the once glorious capital of the Islamic empire, the sight of a foreign army at the gates is all too familiar. Over the past 13 centuries, Baghdad’s population has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter, with terrible consequences: on the city’s physical infrastructure, on religious convictions, and above all, perhaps, on the minds of the long-suffering Baghdadis.\n\nIt's a list of everyone who raped Iraq in chronological order"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>43\n>>44\nTimur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.\n\nAll Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\nMongols were raped and enslaved by Han Chinese centuries before Genghis was born. (You're not Mongol, only a rapebaby of Hulagu).\n\nHan Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.\n\nIf Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Anatolia and Aleppo and conquered and raped Romania and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Romania to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids.\n>>>/k/50520707\n\n\n>>>/k/50520718\n>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.\n\n>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048\n\n>>>/k/48235048\n\n>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.\n\n\nSince conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n1. Manchus aren't nomads. They are farmers.\n\n2. Nomads like Mongols are midgets and are darker and shorter than northern Han. Manchus are also shorter than average than Northern Han.\n\n3. The surname Hu originated among Han.\n\n>According to tradition, the Hu (胡) surname has several historical origins. First, Hu could derive from the family of Duke Hu of Chen. King Wu of Zhou (r. 1046-043 BCE) enfeoffed his son-in-law Gui Man 媯滿 (supposedly a descendant of the legendary sage king Emperor Shun) with the state of Chen (in modern Henan Province). His posthumous name was Duke Hu, and some of his descendants adopted Hu as their surname. Second, Hu could derive from two Zhou vassal states named Hu 胡, one located near Luohe (Henan Province) or another near Fuyang (Anhui Province)."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nYou forgot to tell the Turco-Mongol Iraqi rapebaby that Arabs are full of surnames like Ajami (non-Arab) and Turkish surnames like Bayraqdar and Khashoggi from centuries of Arab women getting raped and impregnated."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\nShatuo cucks served Tang China in raping Uyghurs like proud uncle toms."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\nThe Shatuo dynasties weren't founded by conquest, one Shatuo chief was adopted as prince by the Tang Emperor for helping rape and kill Uyghurs and when the Tang dynasty fell, the Shatuo just claimed to legally continue the Tang dynasty in their fief.\n\nThe Shatuo family of Later Tang also adopted the Han Wang Congke (Li Congke) as prince and he was last Emperor of Later Tang."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\nMongols are shorter than Han Chinese.\n\nMongols (Outer Mongolia) and Manchus (Beijing) are both midgets compared to Shandong Han (Shandong and most of Jilin, Heilongjiang and Liaoning are filled with Shandong Han settlers).\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country\n\nGenghis Khan purged tall Mongol men when he was uniting Mongol tribes.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin\n\n>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.\n\nThis picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally mongrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Turkic Kipchak Cuman Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.\n\nA Kazakh is to a Mongol as to what a Mestizo Latino Hispanic is to a Spaniard. They got their paternal ancestry from violent conquest and rape of the local women so their maternal ancestry is different but their paternal is the same."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\nThese are ethnic Kazakhs, not Mongols who are midgets."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\nUyghur Y DNA."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>2\n>>26\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>40\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\nThe genetic makeup of modern Uyghurs was changed by the Mongols and Manchus via rape.\n\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28595347/\n\n>The Uyghur people residing in Xinjiang, a territory located in the far west of China and crossed by the Silk Road, are a key ethnic group for understanding the history of human dispersion in Eurasia. Here we assessed the genetic structure and ancestry of 951 Xinjiang's Uyghurs (XJU) representing 14 geographical subpopulations. We observed a southwest and northeast differentiation within XJU, which was likely shaped jointly by the Tianshan Mountains, which traverses from east to west as a natural barrier, and gene flow from both east and west directions. In XJU, we identified four major ancestral components that were potentially derived from two earlier admixed groups: one from the West, harboring European (25-37%) and South Asian ancestries (12-20%), and the other from the East, with Siberian (15-17%) and East Asian (29-47%) ancestries. By using a newly developed method, MultiWaver, the complex admixture history of XJU was modeled as a two-wave admixture.\n\n>a more recent wave occurred around 750 ya, which is in agreement with the estimate from a recent study using other methods.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/KerimTurkistani/status/1433224648221605888\n\n>Uyghurs have many different looks, we have been invaded and so on many times in history. You should study our genetics and history more.\n\nmodern Sunni Uyghurs hate Genghis Khan for being a kafir (infidel) who killed and raped their ancestors in the Qara Khanid Khanate.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/KerimTurkistani/status/1432827323754057734\n\n>He was a Kafir so\n\n(Medieval Buddhist Uyghurs were conquered by the Chagatai Khanate later and destroyed)"}, {"id": 55, "content": "Chang, try to be normal. Think of your parents."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nTry to be normal like everyone else on 4chan. It's not like there are Iraqi paedophiles and terrorists from Sweden posting here right?\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12652978/#q12653027\n\n>>unknown >>unknown\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/bS072KmfzHGpDbQXa5T7-g/\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12752388/#q12754007"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nWhatever, dude, you're hopeless."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nI'm not doxxed retard. I don't lose any face in real life.\n\nOnly idiots who expose their identity do."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>2\nThe Chinese are cultureless savages that shit in public and cook with shit oil."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>that shit in public and cook with shit oil.\n\nThis is all of Asia. I dare you to eat street food in Vietnam or India."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nNot in Japan you Chankoro street shitter. Also Vietnam doesn't have gutter oil like China."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">/his/ tries to have a normal China-related thread: attempt 521"}, {"id": 63, "content": "The Chinese were brutally raped, shaved and enslaved by the Manchus."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>Chankoro street shitter.\nkek"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>4\nMainland Chinese are still very polite but Hong Kongers not so much unless their older types. I guess language influences things. Mainland Chinese languages are heavy with honorifics, while Cantonese has less of this and English virtually none. The English are world famous for being rude assholes."}, {"id": 66, "content": "Iraqi Arabs were raped, slaughtered and enslaved by Mongols, Armenians, Georgians, Han Chinese, Timur, Ottoman Turks, Georgian Mamluks, Safavid Qizilbash Turkmen, British, Americans, Iranians who rule Iraq today and drill holes into your heads."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>61\nThe first ever war Manchus (Jurchens) conducted in recorded history was the Toi pirate raids where they mass raped Japanese girls."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nBullshit. Mainlanders are rude as shit. Also Mandarin is hardly an honorific language. Not to mention that Mandarin sounds like shit."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>17\nNonesense. There is nothing wrong with kowtowing, it's a simple greeting nothing disgraceful about it. It was the Europeans who thought the Chinese should be bowing to them. It's not like the Chinese knew or cared about how advanced the British or French were whatever. For most of Chinese history, Europeans have been weird looking savages from buttfuck nowhere."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nUyghurs today still have stories about Manchus raping Uyghur girls (seven maidens of uch turpan)."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>65\n>Mainland Chinese languages are heavy with honorifics\nWhat are you talking about? Mandarin has almost no honorifics, you sound like you're thinking of Japanese or Korean."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>unknown\nYou can just tell this guy has never read anything on Japan at all except for a few wikipedia articles and whatever uninformed retards say on /his/z"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nCope and commit sudoku weeb. The castles you post are concrete reconstructions."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was this the peak of Islamic civilization?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEither that or the Iran/Iraq/Oman area"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Yes, undoubtedly. The Muslim came to Spain and quickly forgot orthodoxy, adopting a pragmatic approach to governance and coexistence with Jews and Christians. The indulged in the pleasures of the flesh... and civilization flourished accordingly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>indulged in the pleasures of the flesh... and civilization flourished accordingly\nFalse causation."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes because it was le liberal paradise where Muslims, Jews, and Christians alike all walked hand in hand together in peace and harmony until the bad Christians came and sent Iberia back to the dark ages in le Inquisition\n\nt. standard take from average liberal professor"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou're a liberal professor? Why are you so Jewish?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope. It was Early Abbasid Iraq."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">forcefully take over advanced and prosperous nation\n>enslave their craftsmen, artists and scholars\n>force them to do everything just with islamic themes\n>BROS ISLAM IS AWESOME NOW WTF"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nvisigoths were prosper?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Andalus is a meme but pre Islamic Spain wasn't anything amazing either"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "According to haplotards the male line grandchildren of Sally Hemmings are all anglo saxon because they carry Jeffersons Y-gene"}, {"id": 2, "content": "According to skintards these twin sisters are different races despite having identical genes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nyes the one on the right id ignore and call a nigger and the one on the left id happily fuck up the asshole"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYes, race is all about physical appearances. Only the most autistic give a shit about genetics."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey would be afro-saxons but Jefferson wasn't a saxon he was haplogroup T (this thread is about haplogroups defining race)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nTwins can have different fathers"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nTheir father is white\nMother is mixed"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nIrish vs english phenotype"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>According to skintards these twin sisters are different races despite having identical genes\nNot really, they are both mulattoes. The thing is, haplotards would consider them the same race because they carry the same arcaic Causasus Corded Pottery Dildo Culture haplogroup rather than looking at their overall genetics."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>Identical genes\nThey’re clearly fraternal twins"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>and the one on the left id happily fuck up the asshole\n\nYou sure about that? I mean, I would fuck them both because I'm not a racist cuck like you, but knowing \"people\" like you, I'm not sure if you'd smash someone who looks like she does now. Assuming you even have sex.\n\n>>9\nThey're actually \"quadroons\" because their mom is mixed race, and yeah haplotards would just zoom in on haplogroups instead of their actual genetics."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nThey're not monozygotic twins you fucking idiot."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How can Tawhid possibly be reconciled with Koranic uncreatedness?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why do online muslims use all caps so much, like they’re permanently yelling?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does this board hate it when people decide to ignore their genes and force their body to be what they want?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "why do you throw a massive tantrum and try to get people fired and ruin their lives for stating the fact you are not a woman"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwho talked about women i m talking about looksmaxing"}, {"id": 4, "content": "because copers gonna cope\nbut what they dont tell you is they also gonna seethe>>1 (OP)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSelf-improvement is always good. If you believe that you're improving and random strangers are calling you out on it, you're doing something wrong."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nPersonally, I have nothing against hormones. The problem comes with surgery: that is not a physiological vagina, for a lot of anatomical reason any med student can say."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Oklahoma is a state with close historic and cultural ties to the South. It was once part of the \"lynching belt\" and folk singer Woodie Guthrie, an Oklahoma native, recalled seeing lynching postcards for sale when he was a boy--his uncle participated in the lynching of Laura Nelson and her son, accused of murdering a police officer in 1911. The state also has in common with the South aggressive use of capital punishment--a total of 90 persons were executed between statehood in 1908 and 1966. In the modern era of capital punishment, the Sooner State has performed an impressive 120 executions, the most recent being Scott Eizember, executed January 12, 2023 for a double murder.\n\nThe 82nd person executed by Oklahoma since 1976 was Eric Patton for a particularly brutal 1994 murder. On December 16, 1994, Patton, a 37 year old African-American construction worker in Edmond, in the center of the state, left his job site to buy some electrical boxes at a hardware store. He drove a co-worker's car out on this errand but when he came back about four hours later, he did not have the electrical boxes and he was inexplicably wearing his co-worker's clothes instead of the outfit he left in."}, {"id": 2, "content": "As fate would have it, Patton had driven to the home of Les and Charlene Kauer in northeast Oklahoma City--he knew the couple as he'd done home repair work for them before. He knocked on the door and Charlene, a 56 year old Blue Cross and Blue Shield worker, answered. Patton said he needed to borrow money. Charlene offered him $10 but he was angered at this inadequate sum so he forced his way into the house, grabbed her by the throat, and dragged her around looking for anything of value. He dragged Charlene to the bedroom and attempted to remove her clothing. When she continued to struggle with him, he stabbed her with knives taken from her kitchen. Charlene continued to fight him fiercely and Patton broke some of the knives in the struggle so he took to using a barbecue fork as a weapon instead. Unsure if Charlene was dead, he stabbed her in the chest with scissors. He cleaned up the crime scene a bit, removed his bloodied work clothes, and replaced them with his co-worker's coveralls. Patton threw the bloodied clothes in a field on the northwest edge of town and returned to work as if nothing had happened.\n\nSome time later Les Kauer discovered the grisly scene in the house and called police. Patton wasn't a suspect at first, but because he knew the Kauers he was among those brought in for questioning. After his fingerprints were discovered at the crime scene, however, he was arrested and charged with first degree murder. Patton denied having done anything but said he saw a suspicious vehicle outside the house and that he pondered if Les Kauer was involved in his own wife's death. The police noticed scratches on his face and hands, which he claimed were injuries sustained while working on a car."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Patton then claimed his co-worker, Chris Williams, had been responsible for the murder and he knew a lot about this but he couldn't say too much out of fear of other parties' safety. He partially self-incriminated by admitting that he and Williams did in fact go to the Kauers' house with the intent of committing a burglary as he knew they would not be home at that time of day. Patton said that they discovered Charlene in the house but that Williams had assaulted her and he tried to stop him which explained the cuts on his body. He said the burglary netted them a mere $14. Patton then led police to the field where he tossed the bloodied work clothes and also admitted to several convenience store robberies in the Oklahoma City area.\n\nUnfortunately for Patton, he kept changing his story. Some time later he said Chris Williams was actually not involved in the murder after all, but he'd had a female accomplice with him, a \"strawberry\", as he put it (a strawberry being a woman who exchanges sex for drugs). In this version Patton said the female accomplice had killed Charlene, while the cuts on his body had been sustained when her dog bit him. At the end of this interview, he said the accomplice of his wasn't a strawberry but a female relative of his and he would not say who she was.\n\nAt length, Patton admitted he was the sole person responsible for stabbing Charlene to death but that he had been possessed by demons and the victim was a demon. He also said he'd taken cocaine prior to the murder and it had possibly been laced with other drugs. Patton described (as mentioned above) how he choked Charlene, removed her clothing, and stabbed her repeatedly with a variety of sharp objects, although he did not rape her. He mentioned that she fought him ferociously. Most of the forensic evidence from the crime scene corroborated his account."}, {"id": 4, "content": "He was forced by redlining and blockbusting. It wasn't his fault. He was a victim."}, {"id": 5, "content": "In lieu of the overwhelming evidence against Patton, a jury quickly found him guilty of first degree murder and burglary in a November 1996 trial. He was sentenced to death. Among aggravating circumstances, Patton had an existing criminal record and was on parole for a robbery conviction in California.\n\nDespite the testimony of a psychologist, Dr. John Smith, that Patton was mentally incompetent and under the influence of drugs when the murder took place, his attempts to appeal the sentence at the state and Federal level were unsuccessful and after the Supreme Court refused to hear the case, he was executed by lethal injection in the state penitentary on August 29, 2006 after eating a last meal consisting of a mushroom and sausage pizza and a grape soda. His last words were \"I want to thank the guards here on death row who have been like family to me, and their lives have been a blessing to me. I've had a good life here on Earth. It's been a blessing. It's been a blast. I want to thank my savior Jesus Christ for all he's done for me. I look forward to being with him now and for eternity.\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Despite the testimony of a psychologist, Dr. John Smith\nno doubt whose real name was probably Jonah Silverstein"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOklahoma is a giga shithole, we know."}, {"id": 8, "content": "OP is jewish"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nAccording to Christfaggots this literal murderer and piece of shit will go to Heaven while a good wholesome atheist who loves his family and obeys the law will be burned in a lake of fire forever when he dies."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThere are no good atheists"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Woodie Guthrie, an Oklahoma native, recalled seeing lynching postcards for sale when he was a boy--his uncle participated in the lynching of Laura Nelson and her son\nImagine how disappointed Woodie's based family was when they learned how much of a colossal fucking faggot he turned out to be. Maybe it was inevitable with a name like \"Woodie\"."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nor how many songs can one write that have the words \"fascist\" or \"union\" in the lyrics"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Oklahoma sucks, sucks, sucks.\n\n>worst weather ever--either Sahara Desert heat, frigid cold, or extreme tornadoes/hail/thunderstorms\n>cops are extreme rednecks/weekend Klansmen\n>still practices de-facto if not de jure racial segregration\n>no good landscapes, just a flat dusty shithole\n>95% of people voted for Drumpf\n>anyone who is remotely different (ie. an atheist/freethinker, not a Rethuglican, a member of the LGBT community) is looked at like they dropped in from the planet Neptune"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI don't see a single thing wrong with anything you just said"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIDK even if you like the politics the weather still sucks and it's flat and ugly like all of the Midwest. my state may be a corrupt shit hole controlled by Democrat machines but it's a lot more habitable from a climate and aesthetic standpoint."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nthe further north in the Plains you go the softer and more anti-capital punishment they get"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAs OP said Oklahoma is a lot more like the South culturally while the northern Plains were settled by cucked Germans and Scandis who practiced Lutheranism and Pietism. Minnesota decided to get rid of capital punishment after a botched public hanging in 1913 while in the South they'd be like \"oh well he murdered people he deserved to suffer some.\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nI wasn't the guy who posted the greentext."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nYou're delusional. Just because you think you're not apart of the \"divide and conquer\" game doesn't mean you're actually not in the game. You simply decide to join the red team instead of the blue team. Why do you niggers say this shit and act like you've escaped the matrix?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nMy bad then. Anon needs to get off reddit and actually live life.\n>STATE IS BAD BECAUSE DRUMPF\nWhat a faggot holy shit.\nAtheists cannot necessarily be considered free thinkers either. We have secular laws, secular education, a secular media feeding us information."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>I know I'm a lobotomized NPC... but what are you?\nKwab"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>the weather still sucks and it's flat and ugly like all of the Midwest\nThis. Big reason why I probably won't stray too far from the west coast despite the out of control libtardery."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nbet she called him the N word so he couldn't help himself and was driven to kill out of desperation"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\nI believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said \"Consider how awful men are with religion and then consider what they would be like without it.\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>AHHHH EVERYONE BUT ME IS A NPC, NOW WATCH AS I FEED MYSELF BACK INTO THE IMPOSED DICHOTOMY OF LEFT VS RIGHT I'M THE ONLY TRUE INTELLECTUAL"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nLiberals are literally all NPCs, yes. We are not the same either. I respect my rights. You are a bug shaped like a human."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\ni guess that's why they all gravitate to urban living as it's basically a giant insect colony"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThey are created in those places. Factories for obedient dogooders"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>11\nthe ghost of a dead Jewish communist activist possessed his body"}, {"id": 30, "content": "I mean, this was the state that literally burned a thriving black community to the ground because one teenager accidentally brushed a girl's arm in an elevator."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nFake and gay"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nwait wasn't that black community actually full of gambling dens and brothels some of which sex trafficked white women in them?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>20\nTrump lost."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\n>IDK even if you like the politics the weather still sucks and it's flat and ugly like all of the Midwest\n\nPennsylvania is pretty nice"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nTransphobes won"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Woodie Guthrie, an Oklahoma native, recalled seeing lynching postcards for sale when he was a boy\nYeah this was a fucked up thing. Went to the African-American museum in Dallas (close enough) and they had various things like that on display, along with a KKK robe.\n\n>cops are extreme rednecks/weekend Klansmen\nThat's also true but an Okie Juggalo once told me the cops treat everyone equally (badly) in Oklahoma."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>13\n>no good landscapes, just a flat dusty shithole\nThis isn't true though"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbtw, Oklahoma cops also do not bother investigating crime unless a white person was the victim. if the victim was black or Hispanic they dgaf. if the OP guy had killed a black woman instead of a white one he'd likely still be walking around a free man today."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nThe US Postal Service banned the mailing of lynching postcards in 1909 but they were still widely circulated. Laura Nelson's lynching was photographed so it is a particularly famous one."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>11\nSeethe"}, {"id": 41, "content": "N"}, {"id": 42, "content": "X"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nBased"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">LBJfag still at it"}, {"id": 45, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_Oklahoma\n\nTo be fair Oklahoma doesn't execute blacks at a disproportionate rate like the states of the Deep South historically did; they've executed people of all races in equal numbers and this was true in the pre-modern era of criminal justice as well. six of the last seven people executed have been white."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n\nOnly because whites out there are crazy too"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>32\nno"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>11\nWoodie didn’t know that anarchist socialism is the root of Fascism anyways"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nMeds"}, {"id": 50, "content": "Considering its extensive use of capital punishment, it may be more surprising that Oklahoma took 13 years after the resumption of the practice in the late '70s to execute someone. The first execution the Sooner State carried out in the modern era was that of Charles Troy Coleman, who murdered a middle aged couple in Muskogee County during a 1979 robbery attempt. He was executed September 10, 1990.\n\nKelly Lamont Rogers, an African-American man who raped and murdered a pizza delivery girl in Stillwater, committed his dastardly deed three months after Coleman met the executioner's needle. Karen Lauffenburger, a 21 year old interior design student at Oklahoma State University, was working for Bye 'n Bye Pizza to help pay for college. On the afternoon of December 19, Lauffenburger delivered a pizza to the apartment Rogers shared with his girlfriend Audra Todd. As she was turning around to go back to her car, Rogers grabbed a knife, chased after her, and told her to give her all the delivery money she had with her or else. Karen only had $40 with her so Rogers ordered her to drive to her apartment. Karen complied and when they got there she handed him her ATM card. They went to a bank where she withdrew her entire checking account, a total of $175, and then returned to the apartment."}, {"id": 51, "content": "When Karen failed to come back to the Bye 'n Bye restaurant on time, the manager, Eric Zanotelli, grew concerned and started wondering where she was. He drove to Rogers' apartment, where she had been making her last delivery to, and knocked on the door. Audra Todd answered, said they'd gotten the pizza, and then Karen left. Zanotelli called her boyfriend Peter Gilmartin and asked him to go to her apartment and check on her. Gilmartin entered to find her lifeless nude body laying on the floor, dead from multiple stab wounds to the chest, neck, and abdomen. An autopsy found that she had been raped and discovered the presence of semen from a man other than Gilmartin.\n\nIt didn't take very long to suspect Kelly Rogers and he was brought in by police for questioning. Rogers readily confessed to stabbing Karen but said they had consensual sex. Her delivery car, an '84 Toyota Tercel, was found parked near Rogers's apartment. The fact that Karen had bruising and tearing around her anogenital region seemed to disprove his claim that sex had been consensual. Audra Todd later admitted he'd told her planned to rob the pizza delivery person and after he came back to the apartment, he drank wine, smoked crack, and told her he'd killed Karen."}, {"id": 52, "content": "Rogers was quickly found guilty of first degree murder, rape, and robbery and sentenced to death. Audra, who had agreed to testify against him, received ten years for being an accomplice to murder. The jury's decision to seek the death penalty was motivated by the defendant's prior criminal history; he had been previously convicted of forgery, armed robbery, and escaping police custody; when the murder took place, he had been out of jail a mere five weeks.\n\nHis stay on Oklahoma's death row was a relatively short one for modern standards; eight years before he met the executioner's needle on March 23, 2000. He appealed his sentence, saying he deeply regretted his crime but the Oklahoma parole board unanimously upheld his conviction and the Supreme Court refused to hear the case."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\n>>51\n>>52\nN"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nRemember a time when it was still possible to pay for college with a McJob and not have $190,000 in student loan debt?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>34\nPennsylvania isn't Midwest you fucking fool"}, {"id": 56, "content": "Yeah it’s terrible in Oklahoma please don’t come here. Send your sisters here though."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>Send your sisters here though\ngiven that 80% of women there are spherical and the 20% of hot ones immediately move to California after high school...yeah"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any /his/ approved youtubers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/@AtunSheiFilms\nhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSkzHxIcfoEr69MWBdo0ppg\nand use newpipe or else the spooks'll get you"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSkzHxIcfoEr69MWBdo0ppg\n\nI asked for /his/ stuff not commie stuff, begone."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">takes money from fans to make a comic\n>spends the money on a suit of armour instead\n>says he wants it in 15th century English style\n>gets mad that it doesn't have features from the 16th century\n>buys a 17th century dagger to go with it\n>blames the armourer for it not being what he imagined\n>goes to a battle reenactment and insists his armour got dented because the armourer did a bad job and someone was personally hunting him down and hitting him really hard and not because he's never fought in a reenactment before.\n\nAlso his name is Nikolas. Don't buy into the \"\"\"\"Lloyd\"\"\"\" character."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Orange Fool"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what are the most based letters from /his/tory? some of my favorites are\n>napoleon telling josephine \"dont wash\" because he will be home soon and wants to huff her rancid musk\n>Wilhelm 2 telling his mom about his wet dreams about her\n>karl marx begging engels to pay his rent"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The one where Marx calls a guy \"niggerskull\" is even better than the famous Ferdinand Lassalle one for me"}, {"id": 3, "content": "James Joyce's letters to Nora"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe classic"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Roses are red\nViolets are bigger\nFerdinand Lasalle\nYou are a stupid"}, {"id": 6, "content": "https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/02/02/james-joyces-love-letters-dirty-little-fuckbird/"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">If an owner found that his male slave was having a sexual relationship with a free woman, the law required that he warn the couple three times to break it off. If the affair continued, he had the right to take ownership of the woman.[500]\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Master-slave_relations"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstop using wikipedia as your source shit for brains"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod the Romans were based. You could just wander over the next hill and kidnap some qt and she'd legally be your wife"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember reading about a woman who got her two sons killed for her slave boyfriend."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Although women's genitals appear often in invective and satiric verse as objects of disgust, they are rarely referred to in Latin love elegy.[332] Ovid, the most heterosexual of the classic love poets, is the only one to refer to giving a woman pleasure through genital stimulation.[333] Martial writes of female genitalia only insultingly, describing one woman's vagina as \"loose ... as the foul gullet of a pelican\".[334][335] The vagina is often compared to a boy's anus as a receptacle for the phallus.[336][337]\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome#Female_genitals"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">life is...\n> *Takes a deep breatjh*\n>what you make of it\nwow real fucking insight you n*****"}, {"id": 2, "content": "he's a signatory of the pedo petition too, what a joke, and /lit/ worships him as a literal god"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>ad hominen"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">life is without meaning and so its suffering\n>but uh you cant jsut kill yourslef because itssss.... bad!\n>instead, you have to just tough it and in order to \"spite life\" like a fucking 3 year old\n>and then youll be happy, and to prove it im going to write an extended fan fic ending to an old myth that was about not being a smug cunt\none of the most renowned existentialists despite being completely retarded"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "TOTAL\nMORMON\nDEATH"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">TOTAL MORMON DEATH\n>\"Jehovah Witnesses'\"\nyou complete fucking failure"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nFunny enough Mormons and nazis were cool with each other. Good riddance to those JW freaks though."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthey were also killed you fucking condom psa"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNo. Not as a group. Only individually if they stepped out of line, which means their status was no different from any other potential dissident. They were mostly compliant or supportive of the regime."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nyes, indeed as a group they were killed towards the end lmao"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSource? I can't find anything that says that. I double checked just now, from wiki:\n>Under the Nazi Government of 1933 - 1945, no Mormon congregation was stopped from worshipping and few individual Mormons were persecuted (and only for transgressions that any German of the time would have been punished for).[16] Gestapo agents silently attended services, likely investigating neighbors' complaints of seditious activities, but no punishment came to the church."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_Germany"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Lets start a thread with the stupidest things leftists believe.\n\n>Debt is caused by the evil neoliberals when they cut spending\nBecause as we all know the less we spend the more in debt we get!!\n\n>The real free market is socialist\nBecause in a real free market there is no private property, and sellers sell stuff that doesn't belong to theem, and buyers buy stuff that won't belong to them anyway!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nonwhites deserve to live"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Not /pol/. What does this have to do with history or humanities?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThese retarded beliefs have influenced history in lots of ways"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">crimes of necessity\n>duty to retreat\n>no human is illegal\n>gender pay gap"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Anthropology is the study of the origin and development of human societies and cultures."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Who has ever said the free market is socialist"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nNot all non-whites\nEast Asia is based and will fix the problems the west failed to fix"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>gender pay gap\nThis is probably the most pernicious lie still being perpetuated. It's so fucking insidious the way they misrepresent shit like this. They know that \"pay gap\" makes people think \"women are paid less for same work\" but that's not what it is. Women EARN less because they work fewer hours on average than men for the SAME PAY. If women were cheaper to hire then any business with razor-thin margins would hire women exclusively, glad for the 30% haircut to employee overhead."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThats the funniest part, when they say companies pay men more just because, they're saying that those evil capitalists who according to them only care about profits, suddenly stop caring about profits to pay men more."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAre you really suggesting that they put that much thought into the claim?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI think everyone secretly wants her to become president because it would unironically be a real chance for a civil war."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Debt is caused by the evil neoliberals when they cut spending\nI'm pretty sure they blame it on neoliberals cutting taxes, which it true"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing lax on crime works"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nLaffer Curve to the rescue"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nIn NYC they let criminals loot stores and just release them shortly. Last year 327 people were arrested/rearrested 6000 times, and these 327 people accounted for 1/3 of shoplifting arrests"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nYes, and America's tax rates, the ones set by Republicans, are on the left of that curve. Tax cuts haven't increased revenue for the government"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nExcept tax revenue as a percentage of GDP has remained more or less stable since 1950"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nThe same east Asia that is currently collapsing due to shit birth rates kek Korea will be done for by 2050. Kinda cringe how whites salivate as they daydream about Chang enslaving Tyrone"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nRegardless of how it compares to GDP those cuts are still hurting government revenue and contributing massively to the deficit"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt almost looks like the government is spending too much."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nOr making too little"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the Greek New Testament.\nPresbyteros = Catholic priest.\nEpiskopos = Catholic bishop.\n\nIt's not that complicated."}, {"id": 2, "content": "OP has never read the New Testament"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\n>OP has never read the New Testament. I am very good at theology!"}, {"id": 4, "content": "OP has never heard of Daniel Wallace"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>presbyteros=catholic priest\n>in all prior greek works it means elder\nYou can't be serious."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyter\n>Presbyter (/ˈprɛzbJtər/) is an honorific title for Christian clergy. The word derives from the Greek presbyteros, which means elder or senior, although many in the Christian antiquity would understand presbyteros to refer to the bishop functioning as overseer.[1][2] The word Presbyter is also mentioned in the New Testament.\n\n>In modern Catholic, Orthodox and Anglican usage, presbyter is distinct from bishop and synonymous with priest."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "TOTAL GAULLS GENOCIDE\nTOTAL CHARTAGE ANNIHILATION\nTOTAL NBARBARIANS CIVILIZATION"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So the Abrahamic God created humans with the express knowledge that the vast majority of them would go on to reject him and suffer eternally in hellfire? What an asshole. Fuck that guy."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahweh couldnt even predict Adam and Eve would rebel."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>for god so loved the world he determined that 99.99999999% of anyone who ever existed would spend an eternity in hellfire\n\nYeah, fuck that guy"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Whenever there is a large proportion of wheat over tares or not, what matters is what can go in the barn. The tares can't go in the barn. The poop cannot just stay in the living room floor. Don't we hate humans around here? God does too and only is coming after those who are built like him, his church. The human-ness? Uh uh. Jesus only."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>99.99999999%\nworth it, he gets to chill with a 0.00000001% of men that are unequivocally good for eternity, based God"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy do you look at child rapists and think \"yep, they do not deserve justice\""}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>this is what the religion of “peace and love” unironically believes\n\nChristcucks are a bunch of petty tyrants, I’m glad they’ve gone from a global power to a global laughingstock"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI do not look at a child rapist and think he should be hanged. Not sent to torture chambers and gruesomely mutilated and tormented for decades until the end of his natural life--let alone fucking eternity."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nCorrection: I look at a child rapist and think HE SHOULD BE HANGED."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>>this is what the religion of “peace and love” unironically believes\nexactly, so why are you rejecting God's Grace and His free gift of eternal life, anon?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "it's my fault"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">Is omnipotent, omniscient, and Omnipresent. Exists everywhere at all points in time\n>Everything that happens in the old testament is somehow enough a surprise to him that makes him mad enough to start killing people"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nBecause the entire story makes zero sense\n\n>I’m going to sacrifice myself to myself to save you all from myself"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHell is separation from God. God isn't hurting you, you're hurting yourself by completely separating yourself from the Definitio"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nOnce again: the core story of Christianity is ludicrous\n\n>I’ll sacrifice my self to myself to save you all from being separated from myself"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>>I’ll sacrifice my self to myself to save you all from being separated from myself\nA) you're acting as if Men didn't condemn Jesus to death and that He just jumped on the cross because He wanted to. The fact of the matter is that the condemnation should have doomed the rest of all men, but Jesus', both fully Man and fully God, willingness to accept dying — not just on the cross, but _generally_ dying, God experiencing Death — convinced God to provide a new, easier, perfected way to reconcile with him and for us to be whole again.\nB) being separated from the source of every conceptual definitions in existence — as in losing the ability to comprehend, level and categorize anything you experience in accordance with any system of value — would inherently destroy you, anon"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>being separated from the source of every conceptual definitions in existence — as in losing the ability to comprehend, level and categorize anything you experience in accordance with any system of value — would inherently destroy you, anon\nGod is omnipotent. He could easily convince us to listen to whatever anti-fag moral code he insists is real if he just tells us to. Instead he communicates through faggot retards like you on a racist faggot imageboard. That God is a huge asshole."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n> you're acting as if Men didn't condemn Jesus to death and that He just jumped on the cross because He wanted to.\n\nBut didn’t Jesus say he was completing a prophecy? He knew what would happen before hand."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>vast majority\nIncorrect assumption. The world will be overwhelmingly Christian by the end of history. Not that it would make God any less just if that weren't the case though."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>He could easily convince us to listen to whatever anti-fag moral code he insists is real if he just tells us to\nBut then, you didn't make the decision to be moral, you just processed a command like a calculator\nIf God had wanted for more executive officers, He'd had made more angels. God wants us to grow because A) He's as perfect as He can be as a unit, B) helping others grow when you yourself cannot is righteous, and He intrinsically is so as He is the source of the concept, and C) He wants His creation, the pinnacle of His work, to be perfected — for something finite to become like Him, infinite."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>But didn’t Jesus say he was completing a prophecy? He knew what would happen before hand.\nJesus experienced this world as fully Man, while being fully God: He was graced with divine foreknowledge, but otherwise experienced the events of His life linearly. It is why, for example, He knew of His fate, but only on the eve of His condemnation He asked for a possible alternative to the betrayal and His humiliating death due to His very human flesh rejecting the necessity of suffering"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYeah and God is communicating the way to \"\"\"grow\"\"\" based on the words of a Jewish cult book and retards on a racist imageboard. He's an asshole."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nSo, God is an asshole because... you heard of Him? Riveting."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nHe's an asshole because he has presented proof of his existence in the most dubious of ways, and the punishment for reasonably rejecting Abrahamic religion is eternal torment."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>make fallible \"children\" so they can fail\n>punish them for not being born perfect\n>punish those who think this system is bad\nthis jewish fanfic was morally backwards when it came out, it didn't get any better in the meantime"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>punish\n>punish\nas I've already said, you punish yourself by severing the source of all definitions from yourself. God literally only ask that you believe in Him and that Jesus died for you. It literally costs nothing and is already a part of you through being a creation of God. It's like cutting your tongue off and then blaming God for it lmao."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe jew god created a single species on a single rock in a vast universe just to pick the obedient ones and give them a ticket to a jew kingdom in the sky when they're dead and flick the rest into a bonfire. And he revealed all of this to a single jew tribe in a desert shithole. That's what the jew god decided to do with his infinite powers."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\n>But then, you didn't make the decision to be moral, you just processed a command like a calculator\nExodus 9:12 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.\nClearly God does not give a shit about that"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>10\nLiving forever trapped in a jew kingdom in the sky worshiping a jew with niggers?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\n>The world will be overwhelmingly Christian by the end of history."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nPharaoh considered himself a god on Earth, and therefore — allegedly — had an immutable will. God made that arrogance literal"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>οὐκ ἔνι Ἰουδαῖος οὐδὲ Ἕλλην, οὐκ ἔνι δοῦλος οὐδὲ ἐλεύθερος, οὐκ ἔνι ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ· πάντες γὰρ ὑμεῖς εἷς ἐστε ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ\nThere will be no more fleshly demarcations in the world-to-be\nOh, I recognize them _here_, but they won't matter anymore, just like sin and death."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWrong.\n\nHumans lived in paradise before the fall. In the same place as God.\n\nBut then they sinned by buying into Satan's lies, which resulted in the shitshow you can see still today all around you.\n\nInb4 why, God chose to give humans free will, so that there is merit in choosing God's way against all odds."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\nSo he is all powerful yet is weak and feared death?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nJesus was fully Man, and Man's body is in itself weak to sin as it is a part of the world."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>But then they sinned by buying into Satan's lies\nIf they had no knowledge of good and evil, how would they even know that following what God said is the correct thing to do?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the vast majority of them would go on to reject him\nThe vast majority of humans in history have been religious."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>But then they sinned by buying into Satan's lies\nWhy?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>how would they even know that following what God said is the correct thing to do?\nTo all of those questions it's always \"because God wanted it to be that way\"\nThey just saw humans naturally falling for evil tendencies or making bad decisions so they invented this mystical text to take a crack at explaining why."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nThe vast majority didn't believe in your jew god."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>how would they even know that following what God said is the correct thing to do?\nBecause God literally said that Adam would surely die if they did. He was the first to speak on the subject, gave Adam life in the first place, and warned him that doing so anyway would diminish him. Let me reverse that argument: why would Eve trust the literal reptile, an animal which, by the way, was explicitly stated earlier to have been created for Adam to cattle, at his word, when all of the animal kingdom was stated to be incapable of being adequate companions, let alone à figure of authority."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>3\nenjoy your time in hell for eternity, coal."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nHe sold Adam and Eve that they would be like gods."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>35\n>Jesus was fully man\n\nThat we agree on.\n\n>>42\n>YOURE GOING STRAIGHT TO LE MAGIC LAVA\n\noh no!"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>30\nNow do a graph starting from 30AD"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did the Orthodox end up with a different date for Easter then the Catholics?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're retarded."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe have a different date for pretty much everything because we refused to skip a bunch of days to account for old calendar inaccuracies. While we understand why Catholics would feel better having \"correct\" dates for particular feasts, we felt that skipping days breaks feast continuity... which is the very point of having a calendar.\nAlthough lately with Russia being Russia more and more people are calling for Christmas at least to be aligned with Roman dates."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a contradiction in the Bible. One of many. One account places the date where the westerners celebrate. The other one places the date where the Orthodox celebrate it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThat is not even close to being true."}, {"id": 6, "content": "they still use the Julian calendar or the revised version of it you retards, Catholics switched to Gregorian centuries ago and Protestants just copied them and pretend they're special and different\n\nin contrast the Orthos just kept trucking like nothing changed"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>retards arguing which of their fantasy dates is the more \"accurate\" one\nat least orthodox bros aren't seething and malding on /his/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIIRC, because Orthodox note that Easter must come after the Jewish Passover, as a logical sequence.\nThis was not really mentioned in the Ecumenical Council that defined the Paschal calculation because Easter would come after Passover by default with Julian Calendar. But it isn't so with Gregorian Calendar.\ndesu, I would rather have us celebrate Easter by Astronomical Standards (like Gregorian) even if to not be dependent on the Jewish festival, which was the primary purpose of the creation of the Paschal calculation in the first place.\nt. Orthodox"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholics formulated the calendar to be much more accurate but the Orthodox just kept to the old one out of spite similar to how they nearly became Calvinist and permitted the Anglican Church intercommunion until it became too pozzed purely out of spite for Catholics"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Turks were whiter than Byzantines\nGreek bros... How do we recover from this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat study is this from and these aren't modern Turks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's the spiritual content that matters. Most ancient people are darker than their modern counterparts anyway"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>were"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmore of them have dark skin. Steppe ancestry is a lot higher in the medieval samples interestingly, I'm not sure if they have slavic admixture or if turks brought more of it into the region than greeks did.\nYou'd have to look at them more closely."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThose are samples from the Southern Arc papers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nBros...."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni unironically like turks more than greeks\n\nit would be epic if turks were accepted christianity instead of islam"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo we have Ionian Greek samples? I know we have three samples from a Carian city, anything else?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWe have 750-500 BC Mugla samples. Everything before during the historical era is poorly sampled outside of south-eastern anatolia."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWhat do we know about them both? Are we sure they're Greeks?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>7\nWhat Twitter autist is posting these? Is it spacemarine or something?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI have no clue. The site descriptions in the supplement are more clear about the Bodrum set. Which has more historical greek contact (Halicarnassus made by Greeks). They seem to have varying levels of levantine, greek and carian ancestry.\nThe Mugla set has less site information, has less steppe (so probably less Greek) but also less levantine. I looked at the HGs but it's difficult to determine which are native and which are minoan/greek because the two regions are interconnected (recent ChL anatolian geneflow in Minoans).\n\nWe also don't know how representative the Yassitepe samples are of Luwics, or if there is any regional substructure further south."}, {"id": 14, "content": "The Anatolian samples are pulled towards Aegean compared to Bronze Age samples. I think many of them are genuine Greeks."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>carian\nDo we know what this one is supposed to look like?\n>varying levels\nYeah, it's actually Greek mixed with Levantines, I thought it will be more Anatolian.\n>of Luwics\nAren't those Hittites? Anyway it's early enough to be any and looks exactly like the native Anatolians should."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThough with Mycenaeans it looks as it should. What's the reason?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Do we know what this one is supposed to look like?\n>Aren't those Hittites? Anyway it's early enough to be any and looks exactly like the native Anatolians should.\nCarians (and most other Anatolian speakers on the coast except Lydians and maybe Trojans) are Luwic.\nThe Yassitepe MBA sample is almost surely Anatolian speaking, and the profile between it and the EBA samples stays similar (if not becoming slightly more Aegean).\nBut we have no clue whether the entirety of the coast looked like that, for how long etc. Maybe further north looked more Balkan, further south looked more levantine/ANF."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nGrim. Should we use Mycenaean or Himera samples then?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>>unknown\nHimera is slightly more western than the Mycenaeans (this doesn't even include Crete samples). It's also possible Dorians are just very slightly more Balkan, or there's some other substructure at play. Any small amount can cause a big shift if you're comparing very similar populations."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nwhat site is this from?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\nthe higher steppe ones have darker skin"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreeks have always been tanned, even during the bronze age. Why is having pale bitch skin seen as positive to you incel fags? Being jacked and tanned is way better anyway."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">From 663 to 668 Syracuse was the seat of the Greek-speaking Emperor Constans II, as well as a capital of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire and metropolis of the whole Sicilian Church. Constans II was assassinated when his plans to permanently replace the Byzantine capital of Constantinople with Syracuse became suspected.\nVGH you will never see Roman thalassocracy based in Syracvsae"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThink about if this guy actually replaced the capital with fucking Syracuse. It would get conquered by Arabs within 100 years and Constantinople even if it did survive an attack (which it probably would)\nwouldn't have as much legitimacy since it no longer was the capital. Overall one of the most retarded and cowardly decisions of that time."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSyracuse was a great power long before muh Rome"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYea but was a former greek colony which would be a middle power at best if independent more powerful than the gargantuan caliphate which held the whole former Sassanid empire and over half of the Roman Empire?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Roman thalassocracy\nByzantine*"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIf Sicily was the capital more resources would have been invested in protecting it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBad idea unless byzantines could magically revert to a republic. Republics are proven to be inherently more compatible with maritime empires. Phoenicians, Athens, Carthage, Rome until vanquishing literally all competition, italian republics wrestling sea control away from byzantines and arabs, Netherlands and England surpassing Portugal and Spain's early efforts."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">I hate the West because of... LE JOSEPH MCCARTHY\nWhy were boomers so buck broken by McCarthy?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Egyptians in 2560 BC..."}, {"id": 2, "content": "...and blacks in 16th century AD. How is it possible to be THIS inferior to people that lived more than four thousand years ago?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nUnironically socio-economic factors\nt. very racist when needed"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nthat's pretty sovlfvll"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you saw a person from Upper Egypt in 2560 BC you'd call them a nigger."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nwhich ones? the slaves?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nEast African women are so fucking hot bros. It hurts."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nLooks like a giant turd"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>Genome-wide data were successfully recovered from one sample from Nuerat sequenced to 0.22X coverage, dated to 2,868-2,492 cal BCE (95.4% probability) - consistent with the 3rd-4th Dynasties of the Old Kingdom. Allele frequency-based analyses (PCA, ADMIXTURE, f-statistics, qpAdm) show a strong genetic affinity of this sample to Levantine Natufians.\nWould I? That's Upper Egypt, Old Kingdom."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNatufians looked like yemenis so google soqotri people and tell us if you would"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nWe wuz upper eg-ACK\n\nTarget: Coptic_upper_egypt\n\nDistance: 3.7782% / 0.03778181\n48.8 Levant_Natufian\n27.2 TUR_Barcin_N\n10.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n7.0 GEO_CHG\n4.2 Dinka\n1.8 MAR_Taforalt\n0.8 Yoruba\n\n\nDistance to: Coptic_upper_egypt\n0.24322573 English\n0.25715991 Swedish\n0.26350878 Ethiopian_Afar\n0.26554074 Ethiopian_Agaw\n0.26602624 Ethiopian_Amhara\n0.46983936 Ethiopian_Ari\n0.47468394 Ethiopian_Ari_blacksmith\n0.62615016 Ethiopian_Anuak"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThis woman is an Egyptian Copt aka a Levantine Natufian, aka the modern Egyptian population that is most related to the Ancient Egyptians.\n\nYou tell me."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n* a nigger who joined the coptic church\n\nHer autosomal is 60% dinka/yoruba"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nCope."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nYou're claiming that what the egyptians are now is the same as what they were thousands of years ago. That's retarded. Even the Copts have been heavily mixed with other ethnic groups, something that tends to happen over literal millenia of trading, migrating and invading."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nCope\n>>15\nMutt projection\nCopts = ancient egyptians"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nExcept you are the one who used Copts as a proxy for Ancient Egyptians... turns out you had no idea of what Upper Egypt Copts look like. Now you are backtracking."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nShe like a Aussie-Indian?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\nThe people of sub-Saharan Africa didn't get that far down the Nile in any significant numbers. The original peoples of Egypt and Libya settled from the other side of Sinai, and any mixing afterwards was mostly with peoples from the Levant.\n\nWhat is even the point of saying that they were sub-Saharan Africans? It can't be about ethnic pride, because saying such things just makes people seem stupid, and stupidity isn't something to be proud of. And as for African-Americans of slave descent, their ancestors came from the opposite side of the continent, they wouldn't have had any connection anyway even if there had been one. I don't get it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did that many Germans actually immigrate to South America or were they just more hard working?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>half timbered\nmonkey tier shit, german peak architecture is hanseatic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMostly to Argentina and Brazil\nKinda sad how despite so much Euro immigration to Argentina it still wasnt enough to thoroughly bleach them and ended it being a mutt country like the rest of Latin America"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey did but those South Brazilian towns are fake as shit."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI always forget British involvement in places like Chile. Maybe not that significant but the history is there i guess."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHalf of Argies are Euros with no native ancestry whatsoever. The other half are mostly the Bolivian, Peruvian, Paraguay immigrants and their children... a nonstop stream of immigrants since the 1970s.\n\nBolivia still has Africa-tier birthrates so Argentina will be fully brown by 2050."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Half of Argies are Euros with no native ancestry whatsoever.\nHuge overstatement. Most phenotypically white Argentines do have detectable non-European ancestry, it's just a fairly small amount of admixture."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nthey'll go back eventually.\n>Bolivia still has Africa-tier birthrates\nFuck no their birthrate is 2.5 and falling on 1% per year."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nI'm talking about genetic testing. Phenotypes are subjetive as fuck. Between 44% - 53% have no (as in zero) native ancestry at all. There's another 10% or so that could pass as white but I am not counting those."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>15 nitpicked pictures of random retards\n>And also Menem, Syrian converted to catholicism..\n>No one has been white in Argentina, ever\nIt's settled guise."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>random retards\nargie, dont lie, you know atleast half of them and theres a good chance youre related to one"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>muh cherrypicked pictures\nAnyone can cherrypick a picture to represent whatever they wish.\n\nWhy does it trigger you so much?\n44% have no native ancestry. You used to post these studies to attack us, remember? Now you seek to deny white people exist at all.\n\nWhy do you care?\n\nhttps://www.mapuche.info/indgen/clarin050116.html"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n99% of argentina are mutt goblin people who live in shanty towns. Sorry to burst your bubble, anon, but its glaringly obvious."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nBTW if we used the same bar to measure Mexico or Chile (one drop of native makes you non-white) then 96.7% of Chileans are not white and nearly every single Mexican is not white.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5127147/"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nIts ok anon, we all remember when argentina won the world cup and how all the niggers were seething and calling them racist whiteys"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>96.7% of Chileans are not white and nearly every single Mexican is not white.\nThis is true though?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nNiggers seethe about everyone, still doesn’t make latinos white"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNations are made up, there are whites there just as there are whites in every continent"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\nOk, I do know who Christina and che are but no I am not Argentinian so I don't have to care about these mutts."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\nYou have never even gone to the Americas.\nThe moment retards learned to imitate the authoritative tone was the moment it was over for language."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\nBritain was the primary investors in Argentina and Chile from independence up to WW2\n\nMakes sense a lot of brits would also move there to oversee business"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nIf I was being dishonest and cherrypicking I could post these pictures of protests against the war on Ukraine. Very white crowds (mostly Ukrainian descendants, great grandchildren of people that came in the late 1800s)."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>>unknown\nMeanwhile this crowd is probably more representative of your average middle class argies."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">0% of animals are theists\n>100% of human tribes were theists by the time of writing\nDid evolution select against ancient atheists until they went extinct? Pic unrelated."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpirituality is a useful tool for survival. Evolution favors survival. Probably simple as that.\nAlso, theism is true, which helps a lot. Christ is risen."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvolution has selected in favor of pattern seeking and anthropomorphism/agency seeking, religion and magic are side effects of that: seeing agents and causal relationships that don't exist"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion is dying while irreligion is growing, pic related\n\nYour false religion will die out\n\n>>2\n>theism is true\nLMAO. Yeah and I'm the Pope. I bet you believe I am don't you?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>cherrypicks two countries\nMeanwhile, atheists have the highest suicide rates and the lowest birthrates. Agnostics are second in both categories.\n>Your false religion will die out\nI don't have one. Wish I did though."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAtheists are correct and others aren't.\n\nIf you worship a high birthrate then you need to become a Muslim, because the highest birthrate countries are Muslim. Why haven't you converted?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Atheists are correct and others aren't.\nTrue but irrelevant to what evolution did. Stay on topic.\n>If you worship a high birthrate\nI don't. Also off topic."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>True but irrelevant to what evolution did.\nEvolution made humans smart enough to question reality as a whole and try to bend it to our advantage, our understanding of it has advanced.\nThere were animists while there were Greek monotheist metaphysical philosophers, there are now Christians and secular people.\nThough in my opinion the Greek philosophical Theism is more defensible than Christianity. I digress."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>I don't.\nYou clearly do otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it. So why haven't you converted to Islam? Strange."}, {"id": 10, "content": "I don’t think it’s accurate to say all tribes throughout history worshipped gods. The things they worshipped had a lot of variety in differences. Some tribes worshipped what we would consider traditional gods and some worshipped “gods” that were basically just big animals or “gods” that were really strong dude with some magic powers. Both of those are vastly different to say the Christian god who is an all powerful entity. It’s mostly an issue with the English language classifying all things deified as gods."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nTruly he is risen!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nMeanwhile those countries continue to get deteriorate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>Christ is risen\nYou haven't even read the bible you fucking larper."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThat must be why immigrants fight tooth and nail to get in to have way better lives than in their shithole war-torn religious countries."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>See? We attract hordes of brainless shitskins"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnimals aren’t anything though. There are Animals that don’t even understand 1+1=2 does that mean math is fake too? Retarded argument"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">claim to fame is memorizing the bible\n>doesn't even know the whole thing\n\nWhy hasn't there been a hafiz of the bible in a millennia?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Just saw patton and it was pretty kino. Just one question though, are there any pics of the nazi HQ in real life, or was this set just exaggerated for effect?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You are a 165 cm manlet with prey eyes and submissive complession.\nWomen are utterly repulsed by your face, no man will ever show respect toward you.\nYou think that having the right haplogroup will change that, but it wont.\nYou will die alone morodovix"}, {"id": 2, "content": "/his/ - History & Humanities\n\nt. 1,88m chad with mesocephalic skull and deep set eyes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>He isnt 2m"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBRO BUT I LIFT WEIGHTS AND INGEST SNAKE OIL A GRIFTER SELLS OVER TELEGRAM GRR"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> incel homosexual erotica\nNo thanks lol"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat turbomanlet still mogs 99% of the subcontinent"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nclassic E1b-L61 cope"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nChad doesnt care about haplogroups meanwhile he slays while you post here"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhaha yeah\n>axes you\ntake the Neanderthal pill"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWomen can immediately smell your weak lineage"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>I have a gun\n>he has an axe\nI know who wins\n>>10\nMorodovix last cope.\njust lay down and rot"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNeanderthal wins because he ambushes you"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nif you train to take a gun you can pull it out in less than 2 second,\nthey have broad hips which literaly makes it worse for them to run,\nI might get stabbed by a spear but he gets a lot of holes inside him, the disarming people or stuff with knife is done by professional with body armor or when the guy doesnt even know how to use the gun irl"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou literally will not know you were ambushed, so not it doesnt matter if your weapon were already drawn."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Its not good to blackpill people because they become murderers"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nKek\n>>15\nKEK"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Ireland and armenia instantly convert to christianity\nhow do r1bs know that another r1b is behind it? do they communicate with telepathy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Christ is Risen!!!!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "that was a week ago"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo it was today"}, {"id": 4, "content": "It's a good thing that people are celebrating Jesus but since I have no kids and all, the traditional stuff is eh… so let your Easter be deep that God will shock you like never before."}, {"id": 5, "content": "he unironically was tho"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Why do Christians make such a big deal over Jesus sacrificing himself if he just came back to life a few days later. It wasn’t much of a sacrifice if he didn’t actually die. He was tortured and that sucks but his torture was mild compared to some of the shit communist dictators did throughout the 20th century."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>It wasn’t much of a sacrifice if he didn’t actually die.\n...do you even know what \"resurrection\" means? He didn't resuscitate, He did die, as in stone dead."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nPer le Bible, Jesus basically processed the metaphysical pain for every sin every human ever committed, so you can understand the metaphysical magnitude of what Christians mean when they say he \"died for your sins\"."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">he unironically was tho"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>ath*Istoïd dog tries to use time travel of all things to denigrate God\n>\"WAHOO I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE (FANTASY) TAKE THAT CHRISTKEKS\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>ath*Istoïd dog tries to use time travel of all things to denigrate God\n>>\"WAHOO I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE (FANTASY) TAKE THAT CHRISTKEKS\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>tfw you realize Jesus was a broke charlatan so he was dumped in a paupers grave then had his corpse thrown away by some wagies to make room for the next sap"}, {"id": 13, "content": "He never rose"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>talking about others liking \"science fantasy\" because of time travel\nYou haven't actually read the fucking bible have you? I knew you cunts never did and are just larping faggots because being Christian is \"edgy\" now days like being an atheist was edgy in the 90s. Re-read the book of revelations faggot. That's literal time travel.\n>inb4 B-B-BUT IT WAS A V-V-VISION!!!!\nRead it again retard."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>an apocalypse about future event, even if it was true temporal displacement — consider pattern-prediction models and suspended animation — is less probable than past-directed time travel\nsolved that negative mass problem yet, anon?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo does bread."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "shitalians disgusting"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are tradfags so eager to excuse tomboys when it comes to gender and degeneracy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Tomboys aren‘t transgender and don‘t inherently have to be degenerate."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">women with short hair\n>men chopping their balls off\nthese are clearly the exact same thing"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause tomboys are actually natural occurences and perfectly adapted to a stable, healthy, growing society?\nThe idea that, for most of history, where most people were poor as shit, had the status to match, and were more concerned with the survival of the household than the individual, being agrarians and all that, why _wouldn't_ women do similar, if not outright the same, manual tasks, exercices and activities as males?\nThe \"barefoot and pregnant\" meme is a twentieth century novelty, in fact beforehand the correct formula would be \"booted in mud and manure, and pregnant\"."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBetter tomboys than FtM trannies"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Because they want to be pegged by short haired women. It's not that deep. They're just a bunch of dumb sluts who want to have their prostate pounded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDilate"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nHowabout femboys."}, {"id": 9, "content": "uou"}, {"id": 10, "content": "i find women attractive, even when dressed as men, because i want to undress them and fuck them\ni do not find men attractive, even when dressed as women, because i do not want to have sex with a man"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tomgirl\nbased\n>muscle girl who is making herself barren working out\nnot based"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo one cares about this terminally online cooker shit you dumb faggot"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nFemboys are double gay because you have to put up with the faggotry of a woman while also fucking a dude.\n\nTomboys allow you to love a woman while not having to put up with their nonsense,"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>making herself barren working out\n/his/ biologists\nhttps://youtu.be/c7iYngbWWPA?t=990 [Embed]"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFemininity is a luxury urbanfag ideal. It is status signaling to have this dainty thing that can't protect itself because it shows they are protected. Tomboys are even more trad because they are rural and therefore predate even cities. What we have now with femboys is the total degeneration of urban society where even the men lose the need to be masculine."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe extent to which people are incable of understand that the term de-generacy has origin in \"generation\" as in re-generation will always astound me. Degeneracy is that which is unsuitable to regeneration. Everything else follows from that point."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat gets me is that they're so defended by basement dwellers.\n>masculine people wanting to be more masculine and doing so in an age where there are methods of doing so\n>\"NOOO NOT MUH HECCIN TOMBOYSS NOOOOOO\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nNeckbeard autist types are sincerely confused and irritated by femininity. So they are naturally positive towards the idea of biological women who act more like men. Tomboys are basically the straight man’s gay lover."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nOr you know, even neckbeard autists understand that having male interests does not make you a male and women with male interests should not be bombarded with idiotic propaganda that convinces them to get irreversible surgical procedures and hormone treatments.\n\nFuck off and die, discord tranny groomer."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\nBut both defy traditional gender roles."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nLoser. If propaganda and shit like it is enough to make you cut your dick/tits off then you weren't really worthy of the gene pool to start with. And maybe they really do want to transition to a gender that is closer to how they really feel."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Don't tell OP about the Scythians who would only allow a woman into their marriageable caste after she'd shot some Persian faggot in the throat with her arrow.\nWe like strong women, OP. We just don't like faggots like you"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nyou niggers really can't stand people having nice things, like memes, dating types, books, even accurate fucking history these days\ngo ahead, try to make everything, the fucking tv shows, the fucking boards, the fucking academia about \"THE CURRENT DAY'S ISSUES\". Once everyone runs out of escapist hobbies you'll maybe finally notice those people homicidally hate you and calmed down through shitposting and having fun arguing or light-heartedly watching a film. Maybe they'll get their fun lynching you afterward."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWhen have I ever bought up mass media? I care little of it and feel like it's too much of a part of people's lives. I have simply stated that in today's world there are methods that enable people to live closer to what they want themselves to be which is a good thing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey're closet homos"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\nThis 100%. Yes traditionally the countryside has stricter gender roles but women worked too. Women stop working for a short period due to increased wealth from industry as household needs shrink, then culture adapts and puts women in the workforce. Women then occupy positions of power and wealth, which ultimately destabilizes gender roles and society. It also robs them of their ability to care for large families as their time becomes more consumed by their careers."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nMass media is only part of the options of dialogue where trannies insert their issues, as I've stated before. Tomboys aren't trannies, no matter how many time you screech that they should or would be given enough outside pressure — which, by the way, is grooming, and definitely a despicable thing to do."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHmmmm I would say from a secular point of view it’s not inherently undignified or degenerate so it’s ok. As for tradChristians I’m not sure because the Bible tells women not to wear men’s clothes.\nI personally find them cute but I’m not tradman mr tradperson though even though I do think if your religious you should follow the law exactly ideally\nThe verse:\nDeut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.\n\nTo be fair though would just not dressing in very feminine clothes count as dressing like a man though? Like if a girl wears baggy jeans and a hoodie is that tomboy/dressing like a man? Most men would and can wear that but I would argue that’s practical and ok for both sexes but idk. What counts as dressing like a man?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>\"Mass media is only part of the options of dialogue where trannies insert their issues\"\nAnd not legislation, political spheres, etc. Okay kid. Keep CONSOOMING\n>\"Tomboys aren't trannies\"\nThe end result of the current trends is going to be one where the label \"tomboy\" loses all meaning as gender norms are finally demolished and nobody is othered for doing something \"unwomanly\" or \"unmanly.\" Tomboys can't trannies because tomboys will not exist. If women want to still be ciswomen, they can and will, if they want to be transmen they can and will. There's nothing bad about this, it's down to a personal decision."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Cause there is always a secret undercurrent or unspoken wish amongst trads and tradlarpers to have a world full of straight men and only straight men. Kinda extending the exclusionary beliefs of right-wingers to a level that even they are uncomfortable with. A compromise with this is found in \"what if girls were just as rational and cool as men\" = le ebin tomboy worship. A girl who wants to join the Mannerbund is an honorary straight man"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Tomboys are girlfriends but without all the boring girly shit like makeup, superficiality, feeling like a princess never satisfied, oversophisticated and stupid social trends, etc.\n\nThat doesn't mean she can't beautiful or feminine, she just lacks the whole boring shit that annoys men. But go on, you can date a stupid bimbo reading brainwashed magazines, constantly buying new useless stuffs.\n>Only them are clean and want to fuck right ? >Tomboys are le decadence.\n\nOh no you prefer seethe on the tastes of others. Keep crying bitch.\n\nI believe in tomboys supremacy."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>on /his/\n>needs to make it /pol/\nI kinda knew this board was just gonna be pol 2 since you can never have a sincere discussion about history on 4chan but fucking hell."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are tradfags so eager to excuse tomboys when it comes to gender and degeneracy?\nThe Average girl today is technically a tomboy. It's harder to find 100% girly girl or feminine women."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>21\nyou're insane to make that comparison."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Tomboys\" began as a 19th century anglo concept to make white girls more athletic so they'd be healthier mothers who would have no trouble making lots of babies. It's quite fascist in concept, really."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nYet tradfags hate modern girls."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nWell yeah, he's a tranny"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>5\nThe worst part about trans acceptance is the rejection of tomboy and femboys."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Cato the Elder\n\n>Descendant of the noble gens Procia.\n>Deployed in the Punic Wars as a military tribune at the age of 20\n>\"It is recorded that the services of Cato contributed to the decisive and important victory of Sena at the Battle of the Metaurus, where Hasdrubal was slain\"\n>In the pauses between campaigns Cato returned to his Sabine farm, where he dressed simply, working and behaving like his laborers\n>Through the Porcian Laws, he banned degrading punishment (like whipping, scourging, or crucifixion) on Roman citizens\n>Deployed in Hipsania. \"The details of the campaign, as related by Livy, and illustrated by incidental anecdotes by Plutarch, are full of horror and they make clear that Cato reduced Hispania Citerior to subjection with great speed and little mercy.\"\n>\"Bellum se ipsum alet\"\n>Deployed in Greece to fight against the Persians. \"By a daring and difficult advance, he surprised and defeated a body of the enemy's Aetolian auxiliaries, who were posted upon the Callidromus, the highest peak of the range of Mount Oeta. Then, coming to the aid of forces under Flaccus's command, he began a sudden descent from the hills above the royal camp, and the panic caused by this unexpected movement promptly turned the day in favor of the Romans, and signaled the end of the Seleucid invasion of Greece. After the action, the consul hugged Cato with the greatest warmth and attributed to him the whole credit of the victory.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">\"Cato was opposed to the spread of Hellenic culture, which he believed threatened to destroy the rugged simplicity of the conventional Roman type. It was during this censorship that his determination to oppose Hellenism was most strongly exhibited, and hence, the behavior from which was derived the title (censor) by which he is most generally distinguished.\"\n>\"He revised with unsparing severity the lists of senators and knights, ejecting from either order the men whom he judged unworthy of membership, either on moral grounds or on the basis of their lack of the prescribed means.\"\n>Only spoke in latin to Greeks, even if he was fluent in greek\n>Rem tene, verba sequentur\n>\"In 181 BC he supported the lex Orchia, which prescribed a limit to the number of guests at an entertainment, and in 169 BC the lex Voconia, one of the provisions of which was intended to limit the accumulation of what Cato considered an undue amount of wealth in the hands of women.\"\n>Among other things he repaired the aqueducts, mended as well as extended the sewage system, and prevented private persons from drawing off public water for their own use.\n>\"He was struck with horror at the licence of the Bacchanalian mysteries, which he attributed to the influence of Greek manners, and he vehemently urged the dismissal of the philosophers Carneades, Diogenes, and Critolaus, who had come as ambassadors from Athens, on account of what he believed was the dangerous nature of their ideas. He also uttered warnings against the influence of Chaldean astrologers who had entered Italy along with Greek culture\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNose big"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Obtained the release of Polybius, the historian, and his fellow prisoners, contemptuously asking whether the Senate had nothing more important to do than discuss whether a few Greeks should die at Rome or in their own land\n>(((Carthago))) delenda est\n>\"According to Ben Kiernan, Cato may have made the first recorded incitement to genocide\"\n>Wrote a comfy manual on running a farm.\n>Wrote Praecepta ad Filium, \"Maxims addressed to his son, from which the following extract survives: \"In due course, my son Marcus, I shall explain what I found out in Athens about these Greeks, and demonstrate what advantage there may be in looking into their writings (while not taking them too seriously). They are a worthless and unruly tribe. Take this as a prophecy: when those folk give us their writings they will corrupt everything.\"\n>\"Some have argued that if it were not for the impact of Cato's writing, Latin might have been supplanted by Greek as the literary language of Rome.\""}, {"id": 5, "content": "This guy is everything his piss ant ancestor wished he was."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would cognitive behavioral therapy even be used for depression, if the main criteria for depression is a genetically-predisposed chemical imbalance?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">just be happy\nwtf it isn't as simple as that the human mind is too complex you clearly don't know the first thing about mental health\n>visualize yourself in a positive environment free from any unhappiness\nSO true!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are very few mental illnesses that there AREN'T genetic pre-dispositions for in general. And while many forms of depression might be physiological in nature, cognitive-behavioral theraphy can help you not have your thought process spiral and give into the depression. In short, it will help you not skip the gym."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>spiral\nHere's what actually happens\n>fuck, i dont feel anything\n>eat something\n>whack off\n>fuck, i dont feel anything"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPre-disposition doesn’t mean destiny, it means you’re more likely to develop that disorder. Doesn’t mean you’re definitely going to get it or can’t beat it if it’s something like anxiety or depression"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDude, I dont feel anything"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>chemical imbalance\nI'm not sure how much psychologists actually believe that anymore, at least not as an explanation for why SSRIs work\n>genetically-predisposed\nBut if we still assume that depression is caused entirely by some unchanging, biological quality like genetics that doesn't mean you couldn't use therapy to treat the psychological symptoms, you just couldn't cure the root cause"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nOk so what can fix depression"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nManage it through therapy, lifestyle, and/or medication to the point where the symptoms are basically nonexistent in your life"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nAlready been tried there, fella"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\ntouch fucking grass\nworst case scenario you're depressed in a beautiful garden"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI go out at least once every day"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nto a smog filled concrete jungle of litter and diversity?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nYeah usually if you’re that bad some sort of pharmaceutical intervention is prescribed. You might want to try regular cardio if you haven’t tried that. Just do the maximum amount you can so that you can consistently do it like 3 times a week. Give it a month, you might feel something."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI used to do kickboxing and felt the same"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The medieval English wool trade was one of the most important factors in the medieval English economy. The medievalist John Munro notes that \"[n]o form of manufacturing had a greater impact upon the economy and society of medieval Britain than did those industries producing cloths from various kinds of wool.\"[1] The trade's liveliest period, 1250–1350, was 'an era when trade in wool had been the backbone and driving force in the English medieval economy'.[2]\n\n>The wool trade was a major driver of enclosure (the privatisation of common land) in English agriculture, which in turn had major social consequences, as part of the British Agricultural Revolution.\n\n>Among the lasting monuments to the success of the trade are the 'wool churches' of East Anglia and the Cotswolds; the London Worshipful Company of Clothworkers; and the fact that since the fourteenth century, the presiding officer of the House of Lords has sat on the Woolsack, a chair stuffed with wool.\n\nAmazes me how something as basic as farming sheep became influential in the world as we know it. Without this England wouldn’t have developed as well or had so much intrinsic private enterprises. Without that England wouldn’t have become a colonial power that went on to dominate the world and spread its culture far and wide"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">During the early Anglo-Saxon period (c. 450–650), archaeological evidence for subsistence-level wool production using warp-weighted looms is extensive. Tools and technologies of spinning and weaving were similar to those of the Roman period; it is likely that fine, white wool continued to be produced from sheep introduced from the Mediterranean region alongside coarser local wools. Dyes included woad for blue and less frequently madder and lichens for reds and purples. Some high-status woollen cloth is found, including gold brocade.[3] New textile types appeared around the tenth century, prominently including diamond twills whose use continued into the thirteenth century.[4] There is little evidence for long-distance trade, but there seems to have been some, presumably of especially rare wools or cloths:[5] the silence of the sources is punctuated by a famous mention of the slipping standards of English cloaks exported to Francia in a letter from Charlemagne to Offa of Mercia. By the eleventh century, however, sheep were numerous in England, and at least some export of their wool by low German merchants was taking place; Peter Sawyer argued that wool was already a major source of wealth and an important export commodity in England at this time.[6]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Subsistence-level production of wool continued,[7] but was overshadowed by the rise of wool as a commodity, which in turn encouraged demand for other raw materials such as dyestuffs; the rise of manufacturing; the financial sector; urbanisation; and (since wool and related raw materials had a high value-to-weight ratio and were easily transported) regional, international, and even intercontinental trade.[8]\n\n>English wools, particularly from the Welsh Marches, the South West and Lincolnshire, were the most prized in medieval Europe.[9] It was exported to the emergent urban centres of cloth production of the Low Countries, France, and Italy, where production was promoted by the adoption of the pedal-driven horizontal loom and spinning wheel, along with mechanised fulling and napping.[10]\n\n>In 1280 about 25,000 sacks of wool were exported from England; trade in raw wool peaked around 40,000–45,000 sacks per year, falling to 33,000 in 1355 and 9,706 in 1476 as exports changed to finished cloth. As exports of raw wool fell, exports of cloths rose, from 10,000 cloths per year in 1349–50 to 60,000 in 1446–47, and c. 140,000 in 1539–40.[11] 'By the end of the thirteenth century, the heavily industrialised areas of Europe could not have existed without the export of English wool.'"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Many of the churches you can find in England are actually “wool churches” funded by wealthy farmers who funded their building as a gift to the church in hopes of buying a place in heaven."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThis is why you can often find huge churches in England far from the large population centers. Because while in mainland Europe they typically developed inside cities or next to them. In England they were more focused on just being built near the farmer who funded them who obviously lived rurally and not near a lot of people."}, {"id": 6, "content": "luv me wull\nluv me god\nsimple as"}, {"id": 7, "content": "How exactly were the Netherlands producing clothing on a large scale basis before industrialisation"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery informative post, thanks."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nProto factories. They had looms they were just primitive and the overall operations were small scale compared to the time of the industrial revolution. Still they’d be massively lucrative compared to the individual artisans who would otherwise be making them"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThe English countryside always seems so idyllic to me"}, {"id": 11, "content": "There’s legal records of Shakespeare’s dad getting busted for not paying taxes on smuggled wool."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThe smuggled cigarettes of his day"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Without that England wouldn’t have become a colonial power\nAbsurd statement, details like this have no consequence to that. Every large state on the European Atlantic coast was inevitably going to be a colonial power, that is the only important factor."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWhy didnt morocco?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThey probably could have if they tried, free decision on their part not to. Spain would kick their ass anyway."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\n>Tools and technologies of spinning and weaving were similar to those of the Roman period\nHuh"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nOther culture. Also much more poorer than Europe."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEngland was the first commercial partner of Spain in the 13th century:\nhttps://www.bristol.ac.uk/Depts/History/bristolrecordsociety/publications/childsanglo.pdf"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\n>by wealthy farmers\nBy wealthy merchants and landlords, but yea, same in Spain."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThe farmers in England largely were the landlords. The nobility sold the land parcels for the most part. Obviously once a farmer or his family were successful enough they were basically merchants though"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>The farmers in England largely were the landlords.\nNo, farmers worked for their feudal landlords. And with a parcel of land you don't produce enough to build a church, you need a lot of parcels of land and obviously multiple employees, aka you needed to be a landlord to employ farmers."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nInteresting link, thanks anon.\nA few months back I saw a sign on the town walls in Chester, in England, saying that in the medieval period ships even from Germany and Spain were arriving in Chester's port.\nPretty interesting to think that ships from places that far away were travelling to a port on the north western side of England."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIn the XIII century England was an essential commercial partner for Castile, Castile not only exported whool, but also fruit, cider, wine, cereal and iron. The ports of the bay of Biscay became quite rich in that time, pic of the church of Castrourdiales, that was built in the XIII century financed by the town merchants in the latest rannoyant gothic, inspired in the cathedral of Burgos. Castrourdiales at that time exported mostly to England. Also in that time spaniards were the biggest foreign population in England, there was spanish speaking communities in every southern port, specially in London, were entire streets were occupied by spanish merchants, and it was common to see spaniards selling their goods in the markets even in the interior of the country."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nSerfdom was mostly phased out by the 1400’s in England due to the Black Death decimating the work force, and was formally abolished in 1574.\n\nI think we’re having a miscommunication. The successful farmers would buy more small parcels of land and move on to bossing around workers to farm for them. So yeah they were landlords in that sense."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>The successful farmers would buy more small parcels of land and move on to bossing around workers to farm for them.\nVery few cases. Of course some farmers became wealthy, but a minority. Most farmers continued to be poor."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\nBritishers invaded them and stopped them becoming a superpower like India"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nIreland was poorer, had little political relevance and its economy was nonexistent. England is very close to the Low Countries, while Ireland is far away of everything."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nBecause they were conquered by England. This is only politically though, Ireland overperformed greatly in terms of settling the new world relative to its population size."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\nLate in the 15th century Spain continued to be very present in England, the medieval merchant ship that was excavated in Newport was built in Spain."}, {"id": 30, "content": "English wool fuelled the rise of Florence in the 14th century. Florentine merchant-bankers were allowed tax exemptions, and the right to collect wool export taxes, in return for loans to the king (at least until the banking crash of the 1340s). It was shipped to Florence, processed in fulling mills powered by the Arno, cleaned, dyed and exported across Europe and the Middle East. Italian wool was only used for lower quality textiles for local sale."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>13\nWhy didn't Denmark?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nYeah, England was usually Castile's biggest ally until the ascension of the Trastamara dynasty."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nDenmark is not exactly on the Atlantic coast, it has no access to the sea that is not mediated by England. Even then, though, you could attribute the Vinland endeavour to them."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>>The wool trade was a major driver of enclosure (the privatisation of common land) in English agriculture, which in turn had major social consequences, as part of the British Agricultural Revolution.\n>>Among the lasting monuments to the success of the trade are the 'wool churches' of East Anglia and the Cotswolds; the London Worshipful Company of Clothworkers; and the fact that since the fourteenth century, the presiding officer of the House of Lords has sat on the Woolsack, a chair stuffed with wool.\nsimilar stuff with Castillian wool going to Dutch Jews"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nWhy was British wool better than Italian or other continental wools? The alps are definitely colder if that stimulates a thicker coat."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nBritish wool wasn't good, but it was produced in mass. Spanish merino whool was the best one and still is."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>>36\nMerino wool came later.\n\nFrom an article:\n>up to the sixteenth century, English assertions of producing Europe’s finest wools were no patriotic conceit. As Van Uytven has noted, ‘the superiority of English wool was a commonplace in medieval literature’. Furthermore, recent archaeological evidence from late-medieval woollen fabrics discovered in Novgorod substantiates those literary claims. Not only were these English wools by far the finest found there, but they were so fine (17 to 24 microns) that they ‘were comparable only to the present-day wool of the merino sheep’.\n>The best English wools were then by far the most expensive, as were the textiles made from them; and such high market prices presumably do reflect their superior quality.\n\n>In Florence and Prato, in 1396–98, the best Spanish wools, priced at 14.50 florins per 100 lb., were worth only 41.2 per cent of the Cotswolds wools, which sold there for 35.17 florins per 100 lb. Another Prato wool-price schedule of the 1390s similarly priced Spanish wools (£21 0s. 06. affiorino) at just 41 per cent of the value of the English wools listed here. At Genoa, in March 1395, Spanish wools cost 10 lire per cantaro, compared to 26–30 lire for English wools (including Cotswolds, at 26–28 lire) per contaro.\n\n>medieval England produced a wide variety of wools, from very fine to very coarse. In a classic study, Bowden contended that, because (in his view) medieval England had lacked distinctly defined sheep breeds, the very finest wools, with very short-stapled and curly fibres, were therefore essentially the consequence of environmental factors, chiefly a combination of a moist, chilly climate and sparse feeding to be found: first, in the Welsh Marches of Herefordshire (Leominster, especially) and Shropshire; and, for the second-best qualities, in the Cotswolds district of neighbouring Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Oxfordshire, and Berkshire."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\nVideo related\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JheJnSFBXfk [Embed]"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>Spanish merino whool was the best one and still is.\nDo they even have a textil industry, to begin with?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>31\nThey tried and got blown the fuck out. Even then they managed to have a colony in India for like 250 years."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nFrom Wikipedia\n> While throughout the 18th century, Danish exports of enslaved Africans accounted for about 5 percent of the total exports from the Gold Coast, by the 1780s, this was up to 10 percent."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>25\nI’d say most of the wealthy merchants originated as farmers. Then they’d typically try to buy into nobility to become a lord"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>14\nSultan Ahmad al-Mansur actually wanted it.\n\n>Al-Mansur also wrote about reconquering al-Andalus for Islam back from the Christian Spanish. In a letter of 1 May 1601, he wrote that he also had ambitions to colonize the New World and settle it with Moroccans. He envisioned that Islam would prevail in the Americas and the Mahdi would be proclaimed from the two sides of the oceans.\n\nHe was doing preparations for it, then he died and his sons were fucking incompetent, so thing happened after it."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>35\nEnglish land was just especially suited for grazing sheep. Most of the specialised types of wool like Merino weren’t even around yet so it was more about quantity than some higher quality"}, {"id": 45, "content": "Comfy thread. Hope it lasts."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>>37\nVery interesting thanks. I've been to Herefordshire and the SW and the soil there is good, the landscape gentle, not at all the kinds of places I'd associate with sheep grazing today. Just goes to show how important of a cash product it must have been back then to 'waste' that arable land."}, {"id": 47, "content": "In times of national crisis, it sometimes helps to put things into words. In 1941, declaring that “highly civilised human beings are flying overhead, trying to kill me”, George Orwell sat down to compose The Lion and the Unicorn, a classic essay on “the English genius”. He observed, with his usual astringency, that “We call our islands by no less than six different names, England, Great Britain, the British Isles, the United Kingdom and, in very exalted moments, Albion”\n\n1209 was the tipping-point in the making of the England we know today. This was the year when a Shropshire knight, commissioned by the crown, killed the last wolf in the western shires, sponsoring an ovine bonanza.\n\nLandholding became commercial: sheep plus grass equals gold."}, {"id": 48, "content": "Why is a thread about wool farmers the most interesting thing on this board right now"}, {"id": 49, "content": "in reality the famous british wool was irish, the british landholders could produce it enmasse because they sheared irish people\neven welsh sometimes mistaken sheep for irish women"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>11\n>Ya’ll got that cheap wool? I need a blanket"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nWhat do you associate with sheep grazing, mountains?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>39\n>Do they even have a textil industry, to begin with?\nYes of course. It was specially settled in Segovia, but Spain mostly imported raw whool to Flanders and Paris. In the XIII century it was created the Council of the Mesta, that united every single sheperd of the crown of castile granting them multiple privileges."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nYes?\nhttps://youtu.be/9Dbpj1CseBc [Embed]"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nI live in a flat area and always see herds of sheep on the plains between cities. Obviously, the mountain ones are the most popular, but the others aren't a rare sight either. Interesting."}, {"id": 55, "content": "Bumping for sheep"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>7 #\nThe Dutch love for windmills didn't come out of nowhere; all those rivers and canals were churned up with watermills that were terrific in saving manual labor in spinning wool, which is a very time-intensive process that many people underestimate\nYpres, Bruges, and Ghent loved their vertical loom, much like the Po River cities in Italy"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>The humble wool resource is the reason for British hegemony and industrial dominance\nKino and very British"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>that superhighway across the alps\nDoubt"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>3\nThe people in that picture look like age of empires villagers"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nIt is more or less accepted that the thing that kickstarted the industrial revolution was the textile industry. Well, and a bit of mining, as well."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>52\n>In the XIII century it was created the Council of the Mesta, that united every single sheperd of the crown of castile granting them multiple privileges.\nAs far I know they still have some of their privileges. Like some specific routes they were granted by royal decree that are still used by them even if those routes are already part of some big cities now.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFEnq6NMCTY [Embed]"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nThat's a route, not a superhighway."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nlooks like a 40 lane turbohighway to me"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\n>>56\nWeirdly this roughly matches the Blue Banana as described in modern economic theory\n\n>The Blue Banana (French: banane bleue; German: Blaue Banane) also known as the European Megalopolis or the Liverpool–Milan Axis, is a discontinuous corridor of urbanization in Western and Central Europe, with a population of around 100 million.[1][2] The conceptualisation of the area as a \"Blue Banana\" was developed in 1989 by RECLUS, a group of French geographers managed by Roger Brunet."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nWhy do modern academics come up with such retarded names for thing?"}, {"id": 66, "content": "Is Britain better for sheep than elsewhere? Like did the climate or soil lead to better conditions for the rearing of sheep compared to, say, France or Spain?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nThey've run out of cool names."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nWell the Blue Banana just describes the very urbanized and economically interconnected zone in western Europe. And as those cities, trade fairs, trade routes and other zones of inhabitation have been there since the middle ages it makes sense that medieval economic activities match up with a modern description."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nIt's a layman term. It's a funny/extravagant name to become popular for the average joe. The true name, like said in the same paragraph, is the Liverpool-Milan Axis."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\n>Like did the climate or soil lead to better conditions for the rearing of sheep compared to, say, France or Spain?\n\nKind of. Areas like the Cotswolds were prime sheep rearing land. But a lot of it was simply that other important resources were already well covered by other countries. So England had to carve out a niche somewhere. Wool exports was the best option. And once England became focused on it as an industry they had the opportunity to perfect areas of it as agriculture. E.g. the sheep pens built circular and in divided grids so you could easily move sheep from one pen to another as they grazed all the grass from a field, then it would grow back by the time they completed a turn"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>56\n>>64\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Francigena"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>56\n>>64\nIt also looks like the Spanish Road."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>64\n>>71\n>>72\n>>56\n\nI’m convinced. Wool farmers are the Illuminati"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>10\nIt's incredible. The most beautiful region in the world."}, {"id": 75, "content": "Does anyone have that infograph that overlays a triangle over Northern Italy, Britain, France, and Germany? Something about center of European intellectual and technological achievements."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>4\n>>10\n>>74\n>a bunch of dusty graves next to a tired old building in a muddy field\n>idyllic\n>beautiful\n\nYa’ll tripping"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>17\nPoorer, yes, because lack of competitive production e.g. WOOL.\nFucking retard."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\nHe, who controls the Blue Banana, controls the World."}, {"id": 79, "content": "ITT: /his/ discovers trade routes"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nArabs literally had the monopoly of the exportation of precious metals from inlad Africa, the fact they were and are today poor is the fact their culture and values are unable to produce a working society with a working competitive economy."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nIt’s not like all trade routes are equal. The Hanseatic trade league routes are nowhere near as influential if we are to assume the buildup in this area is solely reliant on trade routes"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n>Arabs\nI mean north african muslims aka Morocco."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nWhat banning usury does to a motherfucker\n\nChristians at least skirted the rules by using Jews as bankers"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nYeah, the Mali gold mines basically supercharged the Trans-Saharan Routes. Once Europeans started to discover alternate routes, it was game over for them."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\n>Christians at least skirted the rules by using Jews as bankers\nFalse. The most powerful bankers weren't jewish, specially in Italy. Pic of a statue of Enrico Scrovegni, a super wealthy catholic Italian Banker."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nThe chapel of his palace is one of the masterpieces of western art."}, {"id": 87, "content": "So, when the industrial revolution occurred, does this all mean that Britain had a head start economically? The reason I ask is because it's often appeared to me that some of the earliest mechanical contraptions were weaving looms. If you combine an already strong wool trade with an exponential increase in productive capacity due to mechanisation, did those two factors serve to drive the British economy to even greater success?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nThe fact muslims stayed so long in Spain was to secure the transaharan gold route into Castile by leaving Granada as a vassal state under exorbitant tributes. Alfonso X conquered the city in 1264 after the mudejar war and returned it to the muslims under the conditions they will pay their tributes, not before commiting what you could consider genocide towards the muslim population inside christian castile as as punishment."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nYes. The initial massive textiles factories with looms was the starting point for British industrial exports and naturally having a massive local wool supply helped, however by the time britain actually industrialised it had the starts of the empire. Which meant access to better materials such as cotton which had to be grown elsewhere like Virginia etc"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\n>does this all mean that Britain had a head start economically?\nI don't think so, the headstart was probably the existence of a powerful merchantile empire all over the world that secured abundant resources that could be inverted into the new technologies developing at that time in Europe."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\nThey also had an advantage with the abundance of coal that's in the British Isles, especially Wales. Britain developed the main techniques of underground coal mining from the late 18th century onward"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nIndeed. The amount of coal britain mined is insane if you actually look it up. Before the industrial revolution they had some of the biggest supplies on earth, presumably somebody who knows more about topography or climate history can explain why exactly this is"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>81\nTrue. What was more important was the fact that the axis of England-Low Countries-German States-France-Italy linked very early economic and intellectual centres in contrast to the Baltic Sea trade of the Hanse, which focused more so on the movement of goods. Still this as instrumental for the developement of those areas.\nAnd fyi: the rhine river was part of the hanseatic trade network."}, {"id": 94, "content": "*saves the world*"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nThe variscan orogeny that formed the last Pangea lifted up deep sedimentary basins 300 years ago, creating an expanding mountain range. Then the plate movements would invert, dividing that mountains into Europe and North America, creating the Atlantic Ocean. The remains of those mountains are the Appalachians, The Brisish Isles and the west of the Iberian Peninsula, all of those areas rich in coal and with similar soils."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nI assume you meant 3000 years ago. Thanks for the info. Makes sense now you mention the areas that would’ve been roughly connected when Pangea was around."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nBased. Sheeps and goats are, honestly, underrated animals. You could do a lot of shit with them and are very low maintenance.\nI don't know why they are not more popular."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>32\nBased Enrique II, fighting against the Judeo-Anglos."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>87\nIt was a combination of several things. But personally I would mention the abundance of resources like coal, good metallurgy and craftsmanship, good banking system and a colonial empire big enough to sell your products."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\n>I don't know why they are not more popular.\nbecause they're retarded and kill themselves"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>94\nThanks my furry friend."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>53\nKino."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>96\n>I assume you meant 3000 years ago.\nhe was missing more than one zero there bucko"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nI’m not an expert. I just knew it couldn’t be 300 years lol"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\nWhat? Don't they have a self-preservation instinct or what?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>94\nthank you, my ovine friend"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>104\nit is 300 million years ago"}, {"id": 108, "content": "What are some good books to read about all this?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>98\nI hate historicist 19th century paintings so much, they are so ugly and innacurate, and you find those pieces of shit everywhere."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>98\nI don't even blame him, the Plantagenet wanted to depose him, so of course he had to fight them."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>96\n>I assume you meant 3000 years ago\nFound the creationist"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\n>innacurate\nIt's not even unique to 19th century paintings. Renaissance and Medieval artists always depicted scenes from antiquity in contemporary fashions."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nThat's the point, medieval and renaissance artists depicted the ancients as their contemporaneans because they were innocently ignorant and the world from those stories of Antiquity, in terms of the morals and ideas or brutality conveyed, wasnt too much different from theirs.\nMeanwhile xixth century Romantic historicist fags threw in their obnoxious pretensions and stereotypes into the painting and ended up creating abominations like all medieval kings having beards from the chin to the chest or the barbarians being naked."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>unknown\nIreland and the Irish were ooga booga Iron Age tribals until they were civilized by the Norse and English"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\nThat's irrelevant, artists usually always do their own shit even if they know it would be historically incorrect. That's the reason every movie that is set in ancient times are bleak as fuck."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>113\n>depicted the ancients as their contemporaneans because they were innocently ignorant\nlol"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>53\nWe graze sheep on mountains now because it's cheap land with strict environmental regulations for any other commercial activity\nOther land is far too valuable for other purposes to graze sheep\nFor a flat field, how much can you make selling wool vs how much will Persimmon offer to build a housing estate?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>76\nWypipo ain't seasonin dey countryside"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>94\n>*saves the wo- ACK"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>105\n>Don't they have a self-preservation instinct or what?\nYes but it doesn’t work very well"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\npoor lamb"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\nHe sacrificed himself for us\n\nThere’s a reason Jesus is called the lamb of god"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>94\nIt's strange how numerous these buggers are in Britain when sheep are from dry highlands. They don't like wet."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>115\nMovies wish to be that accurate with the clothing, the guy that drew that really knew what he was doing."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>113\nLate reinassance artists sometimes imitated what they thought was how romans dressed and so on, it was in the early reinassance and the middle ages. I don't think it was full blown ignorance, they knew about roman monuments still standing, good gothic artists in the 13th century knew for sure about classic roman sculpture, as some of their statues are clearly inspired in classic forms, and italian gothic sculpture is full blown imitating roman forms. Medieval artists most likely wanted their people to relate to those acient people, so they didn't bothered trying to imitate acient clothing.\n\nPic of Saint Martin dividing the cape, circ 1240. Saint Martin was a roman soldier, but his outfit is of an average 13th century person."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>115\nits amazing how obsessed Hollywhores are with taking a beautiful time and culture and making it ugly"}, {"id": 127, "content": "In late 1800s America, British landholders would pay extensive amounts of money to breed raise and trade cattle. When sheep farmers started popping up on open range cattle barons would have there proxies use harassment and intimidation to bully the sheep farmer into not farming sheep again. What did the Brits mean by this?"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nWhat does this mean? America the country or the continent?"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>4\nPeople posting Gothic Revival buildings built during the late 19th century as examples of impressive medieval architecture deserve a slap upside the head. I know the image you posted is from wikipedia and the Holy Trinity Church in Long Metford is labelled as a \"classic wool church\" there, but most of what you see in that image is from the 1890s. The \"classic wool church\" was on site like four buildings ago and there's barely anything left of it.\n\nThe Victorians really did a number on people's perceptions of historical architecture."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>115\n\nI like how even in the \"bright and happy\" one there's still a river of human shit and piss flowing down the street."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nWhat are you talking about? As far as I can tell the only 19th century reconstruction is the tower. The rest of it seems to be 15th century."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nThe (18th century) tower was replaced in 1898-1903, the nave was rebuilt in 1868-1869. None of the exterior is original."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nThe picture I posted is from 1825 and it looks the exact same aside from the tower. All I can find about 1868 is that the interior was rennovated, but it can't have been a very drastic change since the interior is pretty bare-bones aside from the stained glass, which seems to be largely original. According to this the 1868 restoration mostly involved stuff like replacing pews, floor tiles and an organ, demolishing a gallery added in 1828, repairing the vestery and stuff like that. There's nothing close to a rebuilding of the nave.\n>https://archive.org/details/historylongmelf00parkgoog/page/n160/mode/2up"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>75\nSomething like this?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>130\nWell, some things can't be denied."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>126\nJews were persecuted, therefore it was the worst time period to ever."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\n>The European Core\n>England\n>Germany\nlmao, the true heartland of Europe was the Mediterranean Sea."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nThe med coast was always Arab and Turk dominated"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Without that England wouldn’t have become a colonial power that went on to dominate the world and spread its culture far and wide\n\nNone of that is a good thing."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\nItalian merchant republics fit into what that image considers the \"European core\"."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>139\nYes it is"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>130\nNo there isn't."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>48\nTurns out the only thing needed to make /his/ good is to ban all politics, race, religion, war, and haplogroup discussion."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>128\nThe country. The Old West had a ton of conflicts between shepherds and cattle ranchers that most people today don't even know about.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasant_Valley_War"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait, is this why the English hated wolves so much? Because their entire economy was built on the thing wolves like to eat?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nNobody liked wolves. It was just easier to wipe them out in England"}, {"id": 147, "content": "trade = development"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\n>third world countries have tons of resources to trade\n>don’t develop"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>24\nSerfdom was abolished but I think we are talking about renting land, not buying land. Most crop farmers were tenants of land, much like sharecroppers. Also called tenant farmers. The documentary \"Tudor Monastery Farm\" is set in the late 15th Century, before the rule of Henry the 8th but after \"the Wars of The Roses\". It goes into this topic of shepherding a bit. Available on Youtube.\n> pic related is a sheep pen in the Lutrell Psalter made in the 14th Century AD"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>unknown\nIreland in this time had many warring Kings. Hard to guard sheep from cattle raids.\n> pic related is from a 15th Century \"Book of Hours\" in France judging from the women's veil color and style"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>34\nCommon land in England was owned by private men (landlords). She was \"common\" in that she was for the common use of men for grazing their herd. Enclosure made that land for private use which enraged shepherds who now could not graze their herd. They sold their herd to the lord who would hire one or few shepherds to rear a great herd of sheep"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>56\nI assumed the Dutch mills were just for milling grain.\n> pic related is a miniature from the Bodley manuscript"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>80\nThe common Arabian is poor today because his King makes the place unsafe to open shop. Would you want to be a big successful rich businessman in Arabia? In Europe, you'll have to deal with tax and lawsuits for whatever, nothing a good lawyer can't handle. In Arabia, you can bet the ruler will find cause to have you either killed, jailed, or deported and all your assets seized for the King's prosperity.\n>reddit spacing\nOne reason why the Saudis, as much as we hate them, are well regarded by the US is that they bought their oil company from private American ownership after negotiation, unlike the rest of the world such as Iran whose Democratically elected socialist Mossadegh nationalized a British oil company by decree aka a seizure or Egypt's Nasser who nationalized the Suez Canal from Britain and France, causing a war and global crisis. The safer a country is for the rich of the world to pour their cash in, the richer the country will be overall. Dubai (UAE), Qatar, and Bahrain have figured this out in the 90s. Countries like Egypt are still playing catch up"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>83\n> loans bad because uhhh Jews uhhh bible\nI don't like scammers, but if you agree to terms and then cry about it, you are dumb and you deserve your loss"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>unknown\nI FUCKING KNEW IT but I was too much of a pussy to point this out. She looks like the House of Parliament today. A church in the Middle Ages would look more like pic related which was painted in the 16th century mere years after the Middle Ages \"end\"."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>153\n>In Arabia, you can bet the ruler will find cause to have you either killed, jailed, or deported and all your assets seized for the King's prosperity.\nThat's basically China, right now."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>153\nI was refering to Morocco, not arabs from arabia."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>155\nDifferent styles though."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>152\nSpain also had windmills, this is a 14th century windmill in northern Castile, same century as the mill in your illustration. Windmills were use both for milling grain AND to treat wool."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\n>Spain also had windmills\nYeah, Don Quijote didn't fight them for nothing."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>152\nThe Dutch windmills were also really great for water drainage/land reclamation\nWatermills were also used for milling grain, but their consistency of flow was better used in urban centers where they could be utilized for spinning wool (and didnt need to worry about aerodynamics)"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\nIt is thought than Don Quijote fought the windmills in Criptana, in southern Spain, and that were probably not medieval, THOUGH"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>148\nLow IQ prevented them from realizing that trade = development before Europeans could extract those resources for their own benefit."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nUnfortunately this is all confirmation bias.\n\nWool was only a small proportion of the economy even if it dominated trade, most of the economy still revolved around subsistence and staple crops. Wool is also just a raw material which the English exported to Flanders until they developed their own cloth industry in the late 14th century. Real development came with trade and manufacturing, which depended in large part on local grain production and the ability to support cheap labor free from the burden of subsistence, which ~90% of the population at the time were engaged in. It would not be until the 19th century that more than 50% of the population were urbanized, grain was certainly a major factor in nearly all economic activity until the late industrial revolution.\n\nEastern England has huge stretches of intensive arable land, and so did the Netherlands and other regions, the Netherlands in fact surpassed England in many ways until the glorious revolution. There were other factors of course like access to sea trade and the slow development and spread of new ideas and innovations over centuries, but England was not alone in these. The hypothesis that wool had such a profound effect on society and economic institutions that \"Without this England wouldn’t have developed as well or had so much intrinsic private enterprises\" and never had any manufacturing is spurious at best when it is overshadowed by other factors. Wool was certainly a bonus but far from a deciding factor."}, {"id": 165, "content": "Why is this thread so old"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\nBecause I keep bumping it."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>164\nWool sisters..."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\nIt’s a good informative thread among the sea of shit"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ACKtheist never recovered"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot an atheist, but math doesn't contain infinite information. Some of the implications of mathematical ideas or concepts would take an infinite time to spell out, but mathematics as a field of inquiry contains a finite amount of information."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnswer: the universe is infinite"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">christ-ACKS think all math was somehow made simultaneously"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I like this zoomers youtube videos"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Turks had accepted Christianity at their peak, would it have been possible for them to become the leading power of the Western World?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen was their peak? The Ottomans? Far too late for them to turn Christian at that point, they'd been Muslims for 500 years already. Only way they'd turn Christian is with a Byzantine total victory over the Sultanate of Rum and a couple hundred years of assimilation. Too bad the Byzantine Emperors were more preoccupied with the Normans and crusaders rather than the existential threat of the Turks."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm fine being Alevi, tbqhwy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nLet's say during the first times when the Oghuz/Turkmen tribes were accepting Islam, which later led to the rise of the Seljuk Empire, and so on.\n\nThose guys only accepted Islam to gain political power for their expansions. They were steppe invaders with no strong ethical values, and even after accepting Islam, they continued to tease the Caliphate Arabs. Perhaps if they had accepted Christianity, they could have conquered Europe and gained more acceptance.\n\nPope Pius II, who sought to end the Ottoman occupation of Europe, wrote a letter inviting the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II to convert to Christianity. In the letter, it was said that the Sultan could be baptized with a drop of water and recognized as the Roman emperor upon accepting the Bible. Holy kek."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI really like the artist, its a shame he does so much fantasy shit."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat difference would their state religion have made to how many men they were able to field, how well they could equip/feed them or how talented their military leaders were?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nPretty neat. I wouldn't call it fantasy though, more like historic fiction"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nDamn."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Byzantine Emperors were more preoccupied with the Normans and crusaders rather than the existential threat of the Turks.\nAre you saying crusaders weren't an existential threat when they stopped the byzantine empire from existing first?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nIsn´t Alevi just a joke and rip-off Shia?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do nazis,incels,haploautist almost always look like right?\nI"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have a mesocephalic skull, 115 degree gonial angle and a visible browridge THO"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "trad orthodox russian? more like maggot food"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will be maggot food too one day, we all will"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMods! anon posted something from current day :("}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I miss her, bros"}, {"id": 2, "content": "People don't know this, but the loss of Constantinople and it's consequences have been a disaster to the human race"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever too late for a Ninth Crusade4dksx"}, {"id": 4, "content": "One day anon, one day."}, {"id": 5, "content": "oh my belisarius i LOVE wops and their wopentine empire and wopstantinople even doe they did absolutely nothing of benefit for humanity in a thousand years"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nNaming it Istanbul was the worst faggot name they could have replaced it with."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>they did absolutely nothing of benefit for humanity\nThere's a certain subset of \"based\" people who think that the only measure of civilizational achievement is inventing industrial machinery and using it to build up your racial enemies in Africa and Asia like the West has done. Of course in reality the Egyptians were the most accomplished civilization for the simple fact that they existed unchanged the longest, and the Byzantines are up there with the best of them in that regard."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>stagnation is good actually\ngouge your eyes out"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The city is still there, idk what the problem is."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's Istanbul, not Constantinople."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nPeople were already calling it εἰς τὴν Πόλιν in Byzantine times though"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are romants sucked off so much again? They had to be handed every one of their wins in a platter. Cimbri had at least two opportunities to march on, genocide and replace them but were too chivalrous to do so. Or maybe it was the romonkey stench that kept them out as they sought the company of fellow aryans."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Muh Alpine\nMuh Meds\nMuh Yamnaya\nMuh Western Hunter Gatherers\nMuh Eastern Eurasians"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I´ve been hearing a lot recently from a neo-reactionary so called movement, that has recently acquired ties with some real people on the valley. Im halfway through that bronze age flavored manifesto, I like the clear base on some now old solid counter-theory, counter-analytical philosophy: spengler, nietzsche, guenon, even that italian sucker evola. It gives me some hope you know, that we have a true anti system movement, something with substance that precisely because of this can succed. It feels like history as whole is actually moving, that something relevant can still be done, even if through the negation, or precisely because.\nThe catch: Where are the people? I mean, I´m just a loner stranded in eastern germany, barely know how to navigate internet even.\nWanted to know if I came close to the right place? Do you have an opinion about it? Is there like a precise thriving community for this, or is it just an elaborate bunch of commercial media content to consume online, USA scam style?\nAnd by the way, since I took the time, is this forum just a bunch of american degenerate schoolers like in the media, or is there somethinng else to it?\nBeing honest, know nothing, sound gay in english, all ears"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> Where are the people?\nThey don't exist IRL. well they do but they all hide. Because they wouldn't keep their tenured university/silicon valley/govt positions if they actually came out with whatever they are on today (Not actually very coherent like it usually is) They're all anonymous internet entities.\n>Wanted to know if I came close to the right place?\nthis is one of the most unserious parts of this site. And that's saying something, but I like talking to people. But no, there's more people who care about this type of shit on >>>/lit/\nThey had a couple of BAM threads yesterday.\n>Is there like a precise thriving community for this, or is it just an elaborate bunch of commercial media content to consume online, USA scam style?\nNeither but more of the second than the first (Soobscribe to my soobstack guise, my podcast, etc. It's basically every single E-celeb in that group, some of these E-celebs have real faces some are anon)\n>And by the way, since I took the time, is this forum just a bunch of american degenerate schoolers like in the media, or is there somethinng else to it?\nMostly the first but sometimes the rare effort poster gem appears.\n\nAs a resident retard on Twitter. It's all a waste of time and E-drama."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOr most at least.\nBut to give a counterpoint, IRL actual action is rather outdated nowadays and a bad idea. Costs more than it usually gives is what I'm saying."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Muslims get so offended over drawings of Muhammad"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe ones that do are really dumb, it's pretty simple"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're retarded, brainwashed theists. A danger to society."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true, like Trads claim, that the new Mass has a new theology? They say its form de-emphasizes the propitiatory, reparatory, and satisfactory implication of the re-presentation of Christ instead for a common communal gathering and meal that echoes Protestantism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do US history classes present Americans like Washington, Lafayette and Morgan as inventing light infantry by stealing it from the injins when the nazis had light infantry in the 1630s and the bongs had light infantry during the 7 years war (though it sounds like the 95th rifles and bong light infantry went under major changes in 1801)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">nazis had light infantry in the 1630s\n?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nyeah the jaegers"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the nazis\n>1600s\n/his/ moment"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">nazis\n>1600s"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody cared about the light infantry like the revolutionaries did. They were just complements to real units, Washington turned his into the tip of the American spear by forming a corps of them out of the best troops in the army."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLight infantry were popular before Christ. I'm sure some assyria or ancient Egypt nerd can also point to whatever their equivalent of light infantry was."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How was church?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood.\nGirlfriend gave me a blowjob in the storeroom and I licked her hole and pussy"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/live/INCJBWnUoOI?feature=share\nI'm online."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhat language is this"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T SHOOT AND RAPE MY DAUGHTERINO!!!!!! NOT MY H*CKIN GIRLERINOS! NOT MY ABSOLUTE LASSES!!! IM GOING TO DO A CRY"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon’t forget they raped the corpses.\nJews really are evil, no matter where or what they are doing."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Did they actually rape the girls? Any sources or is it just perverted fantasy?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat seems like a reasonable thing to be distressed about"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNikolai died first so he wouldn't have had time to cry"}, {"id": 6, "content": "For me, it's Maria"}, {"id": 7, "content": "left can't meme"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat faggot deserved it, not his family though."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd communists are wondering why no one likes them and consider them inhuman..."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>Did they actually rape the girls?\nNo, it's just his perverted fantasy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>That faggot deserved it, not his family though.\nNo, he didn't deserved it. It's just shows you lack of knowledge about the subject if you think that he in any way deserved it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Communists being monstrous again.\nThere's a reason why people have to be brainwashed to actually like you \"people\"."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">It's just shows you lack of knowledge about the subject"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nbased\n>>8\ncringe"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nReddit is that way"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n\"Brainwashing\" is a cope invented during the Korean War"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>>9\n>>7\n>millions dying of famine, incompetent administration and pointless wars in japan\n:/\n>3 random german sluts the getting justice they deserve through humane execution\n:0"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nYou're right dude, nobody has ever criticized the late Russian Empire, thanks for letting everybody know that bad things happened there sometimes"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Most “British” British general has a rivalry with the most “American” American general.\n\nGod was putting out some serious kino during the Monty vs Patton episodes of WW2."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBernard Monty's Y-DNA was J2 >:)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nMost of Britain is like that, its a brown country now fortunately. Br*toids don't exist anymore"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHitler lost"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou lost. 100 years from now history will be rewritten so nobody will even know britain wasn't always a brown country\nPathetic end for a pathetic loser people"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>shitler didn't lose\nCope"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou're the only one bringing up hitler, whatever makes you cope i guess"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nis hitler in the room with us right?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When המלך hits page ten the abomination of desolation will enter the Temple."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't Bush overthrow Saddam during the first Gulf War? Why did he limit the goal to only Kuwait?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "us actually gave a shit about regional stability during the cold war, it wasn't until the ussr fell they started doing whatever the fuck they wanted"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBush already achieved the main goal and knew attempting anything more would just sour opinion on the war, plus it was hoped with Saddam being giga btfo'd it would eventually resulted in him being couped, even when they didn't happen he was so weakened he wasn't even considered a threat so putting sanctions on him was enough, the only reason junior did it was because he got duped into thinking Saddam would try selling shit to terrorists along with wanting his own legacy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere's Dick Cheney, voice of reason, to explain\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w75ctsv2oPU [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nold bush being an ex CIA director was a mastermind of geopolitics, he saw that removing saddam would have only gotten more killed than leaving him, which was proven correct when his dumbass son started the middle east quagmires\nBut without perfect 20/20 hindsight its hard to see just how bad the situation was seeing that leaving a genocidal dictator who idolized stalin which was one of the few people after WW1 to have used chemical weapons in power was the better option"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>one of the few people after WW1 to have used chemical weapons\nNot an argument for an American president."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy the fuck would Syria and Egypt participate along with the anglo?\nAlso the French were selling weapons to Sadam. Wtf are they doing there?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nArab Politics is mainly \"whoever is at the top among us we should pull down.\"\n\nCrab mentality at its finest."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Why would other countries of the region be upset at the country trying to monopolize the oil market and take over the region?\ngee anon I dunno"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNeither Syria nor Egypt lived off oil."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo? Can you imagine Saddam controlling the oil market? The type of military toys he could have bought?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>limit the goal\nNo popularity support before 9/11."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How influential the essenes were to early christianity? Was Jesus influenced by them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "actual thread about history ignored while biblebaits get tons of replies"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany of the philosophies espoused by Essenes were incorporated into the \"liberal\" teachings of Rabbi Hillel, a high-ranking pharisee. There was great overlap between Essene thought and reformist Pharisees, which is exemplified by the likes of Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea's warm reception towards Jesus.\nMost of Essene ideology was effectively identical to Jesus' teachings, what with the emphasis on the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law, and actually sincerely following your religion in your heart rather than having it a purely performative ritual, but it's important to recognize that Essenes were essentially ascetics, who abandoned society at large to cloister themselves in spiritual contemplation and copying of sacred texts. Jesus meanwhile, much like John the Baptizer, preached engagement with the world, not withdrawal from it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZero influential.\nEssenes were pretty exclussive: they did not take in outsiders, and they lived separate from the plebs to avoid \"contamination\".\nJesus was more pharisaical in His judaism, but ate with publicans, pardoned adulterous women, healed foreigners, and said very clearly that he came for the lost sheeps."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe problem with judging the influences of the Essenes were that by creed the Essenes were not to interact with foreign philosophies concerning faith. Could there have been contact between early Christians? Most probably. Between Jesus, who laid down the basis of christian thought? Such an encounter would have been reported, if it had, as Jesus met more and less important people in his travers, and delighted in engaging in dialectics with those he seek to save, as the four gospels pointedly describe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is interesting in that it was an ascetic practice common to religious orders, but Christ and his apostles taught a message quite explicitly anti-Essene: non-circumcision, eating \"unclean\" food, breaking the Sabbath, drinking, ministering to the poor and Gentiles, etc."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus didn't exist."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYour boyfriend Richard came back with the test results, turns out you have aids now."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA lot of people speculate that John the Baptist was an Essene because he’s described as living in the wilderness and heavily promoted baptism - a practice the Essenes were known for valuing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThis. Mandeans would be the closest thing to them."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nEssenes valued ritual cleansing like every Jewish sect, they did it regularly. The Christian practice of one essential baptism, which is what John the Baptist did, was a unique development not seen in any sect."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were anti-Temple just like he and John were. It's a good possibility."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The best books on theology and ethics of the New Testament?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever-brochure/"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBook of John.\nMy catechist told me to say \"Whoever asks you what is Christianity, tell them to read Book of John\"\nHonestly i prefer Galatians and 1 Corinthians. Galatians is \"YOU IDIOTS, STOP BEING PAGANS\" and 1 Corinthians is a glorified form of a gigachad motivational speech for bodybuilding."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\noops\nGospel of John*\nin my language we simply call it \"Yuhanna\" so i was confused eith words and we call the epistles of John \"Letters of Yuhanna\". Oops."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nnothing to do with the New Testament, my negro."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread catechism writings"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatechism of the Catholic Church\nCity of God, St Augustine\nSumma Theologica, St Thomas Aquinas\nDivine Comedy, Dante"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYeah. Winston Churchill argued that the Seven Years' War was technically the first world war."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI think the War of Austrian Succession was, actually."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo, because it was only the 1914-1918 conflict that was called a World War, nothing before it was ever called that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\nSpanish Succession.\n\nAustrian Succession was mostly confined to central Europe.\nSpanish succession was across the Atlantic.\n\nSeven years and and Napoleon wars were across different continents."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>4\n>>3\n>>unknown (OP)\nTwo word: Mongol Horde"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDid Medieval chroniclers refer to the Mongol invasion of Hungary as \"the first world war\"?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n\nBy that definition the Macedonian conquest of India was the first world war you dumb moron.\nOr the norsemen expansions in early medieval times."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nA thought experiment\nSuppose you awoke tied to a chain, infront of you a man stood with a ping pong ball in one hand a gun in the other.\nBetween you was a roulette table\nThe man spoke and said\n>”In a moment I will throw the ball above the roulette table, if you guess the number it will land on correctly while it’s in the air I will not shoot you”\n>”Otherwise I will shoot you”\nNow a few notes\nCould the man be lying?\nAbsolutely, you could guess the “correct” number and he may still shoot you\nCould the ball not hit the table at all?\nOf course.\nYet given the circumstance, in this position,\nWho wouldn’t guess a number??\nMore over,\nHow could anyone defend NOT guessing a number as “””rational”””???"}, {"id": 2, "content": "That only \"works\" for Christianity since you're not necessarily expected to do anything for a free pass into the afterlife. Even then, there's also the possibility of eternal torment for doing something stupid, which you very likely have done, and will very likely forget about on your deathbed."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1\nIf God appeared to me and told me to believe in Him or burn in Hell then obviously I would believe. If someone else told me that God told someone else 2000 years ago to believe in Him or burn in Hell, then it's much more reasonable to question them, especially when multiple people are contradicting that person and claiming that God told someone else something else, or that I need to appease entirely different Gods.\n\nWhich scenario is closer to what you described? Which scenario is closer to reality?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n> If God appeared to me and told me to believe in Him or burn in Hell then obviously I would believe.\nThe man in the thought expirement isn’t God\nThe man in the thought experiment is the world\nThe worlds tells you you will die\nAnd it tells you an unknowable choice you make will improve your odds of avoiding death\nBOTH could be false\nBut given the scenario, not making a choice only reduces your odds"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1\ncounterpoint\nyou wake up in a prison, barred with iron\nthe man in the cell opposite to you says that if you spend an hour every day licking the bars, eventually they will dissolve\nwill you start licking the bars, or will you spend that hour every day doing something else?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>The man in the thought experiment is the world\nThen the man in the thought experiment should also be telling be about how guessing the number will cause him to shoot me, and he's not actually real and has no intention of shooting me, and that he's crazy and will shoot me no matter what, etc. You act like the world only presents one option, which it simply does not."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nIf god came to you and threatened you into worshipping him on pain of eternal torture, you're better off being happy when you're alive.\nWhy bother worshipping him? He's clearly a sadist and you have no reason to believe your obedience will make any difference."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1\nCounter-example\nWater is dripping from the ceiling onto the roulette table.\nYou insist the only possible explanation is that Larry King faked his death and is messing with the plumbing. You have no proof and claim he will molest me for the rest of my life if I have sex with another woman im not married to.\nWhen I disagree with you you hold up s hand drawn picture of Ricky gervais shirtless on fire and ask me why I won’t fuck dogs and men if Larry king isn’t messing with the plumbing"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n> will you start licking the bars, or will you spend that hour every day doing something else?\nDepends if how long my sentence is and if there is any other feesable option for escape\n(Losenable airvent, legal measures ect)\nIf it was a life sentence and I had no other hope of escape\nYes.\nI would give it a shot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nEither our consciousness will survive or it will not anon\nThat is a binary\nYou can add any Babel you want to the man’s crazed gunpoint speech but the point remains\nGuessing correctly is the ONLY thing he suggests MIGHT prevent your death"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nThe point of Pascal's Wager is to explain to Catholics why Jensenists (who believe in double predestination) still go to church. Pascal absolutely believed that you could rationally determine which religion was true, it's why he was a Jensenist and not a member of the Popish Romanist Church, the Hindoo Church, Musulamamen Church, the Turquemanish Church, or the Confusionism Church."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1\nExcept you aren’t talking about a single moment, you are talking a lifetime of commitment. If you go to church for two hours a week every week from 25-75, you’ll spend 7 months of your life in church."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1\nExcept the man doesn’t have a gun and instead he’s telling me about an invisible man with a gun who he says will shoot me\nYour example also ignores the possibility that God exists but every religion is wrong about him. Maybe God only punishes people who follow Pascal’s wager, or who are religious. The man might shoot me if I guess anything and spare me if I remain silent.\nAssuming the man with the gun is real, he hasn’t actually said what he’ll do, my only source on the rules of the game is other prisoners who are all contradicting each other"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>7months out of an average 78 years\nLiterally less then 1% of your time"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n> Except the man doesn’t have a gun and instead he’s telling me about an invisible man with a gun who he says will shoot me\nBecause the threat of death is manifest not theoretical\nUnless you’ve lived in complete seclusion since birth\nYou KNOW death is something which happens to human beings\n> Your example also ignores the possibility that God exists but every religion is wrong about him.\nHow?\nI said you could guess the “right” number but still be shot\n> Maybe God only punishes people who follow Pascal’s wager, or who are religious. The man might shoot me if I guess anything and spare me if I remain silent.\nAll true and admited in the thought experiment\nStill the suggestion of the possibility of guessing is all we have to go off of\n> Assuming the man with the gun is real, he hasn’t actually said what he’ll do,\nThe man isn’t God anon\nHe’s the world\nIf you need you can use your contradictory prisoners example if you prefer\nStill in your interest to believe one of them to avoid execution"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Nuclear fission(what produces nuclear weapons) was discovered by nazis.\nI bet the jewish academia didn't teach you this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnrico Fermi, famous German National Socialist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_nuclear_fission\nRead"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Nooo we are supposed to be the chosen ones!!!1"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow that I'm reading their bios it is pretty fucking nuts we never hear about these guys"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt goes against the narrative that Germany couldn't make nukes because they kicked muh jewish scientists when nazis pretty much created the basis for it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">In 1933 Strassmann resigned from the Society of German Chemists when it became part of a Nazi-controlled public corporation. He was blacklisted by the Nazi regime.\n\n>He was an opponent of national socialism and the persecution of Jews by the Nazi Party that caused the removal of many of his colleagues, including Meitner, who was forced to flee Germany in 1938\n\n>She lost these positions in the 1930s because of the anti-Jewish Nuremberg Laws of Nazi Germany, and in 1938 she fled to Sweden, where she lived for many years, ultimately becoming a Swedish citizen."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Political restraints of the Nazi era forced the teams of Hahn and Strassmann and that of Frisch and Meitner (both of whom were Jewish) to publish separately."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nxe was not the main guy, just a side note"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nthat post is referring to 3 of the 4 people involved, and the 4th one not mentioned was also jewish"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nLise Meitner was a jewess\n>>6\n>when nazis pretty much created the basis for it\nAdolf Hitler personally invented nukes but refused to use them as a gift of goodwill"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nJewish involvement is overrated, jews have no achievements"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n2 of the 4 key figures were jewish and the other 2 opposed the nazi regime"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nuh bro, you weren't supposed to point that out, its extremely incovnient for my narrative"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThere was only 1 key figure and he said this\n>I am not a Nazi. But Hitler is the hope, the powerful hope, of German youth... At least 20 million people revere him. He began as a nobody, and you see what he has become in ten years.… In any case for the youth, for the nation of the future, Hitler is a hero, a Führer, a saint... In his daily life he is almost a saint. No alcohol, not even tobacco, no meat, no women. In a word: Hitler is an unequivocal Christ.[63]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>. He was an opponent of national socialism and the persecution of Jews by the Nazi Party that caused the removal of many of his colleagues, including Meitner, who was forced to flee Germany in 1938.\n\nfrom your own source"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNot my original point, i only said nuclear fission was discovered in nazi germany which is true"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nyour original post said \"discovered by nazis\" and was accompanies by an image featuring an SS uniform so it seemed to me like you were trying to give national socialism some kind of credit for the discovery\n\nif that was not the case then I apologize"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe guy who discovered it did praise hitler so take that as you will"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\nI have never heard anyone say that"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\n>two Jews and an anti-Nazi Kraut\nmein brüdders... not like this..."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nhe was not praising Hitler, but merely describing how he is viewed by a large chunk of the german youth of the time"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\n>Meitner only worked on it because because her family member Fritsch got on the team\n>Fritsch only got on the team because of Otto Stern's connections\n>Stern just picked Fritsch because he's jewish"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>stern wins a nobel prize nomination...\n>...all of the justification spoken about him says that he basically created a network of jews to migrate out of Germany, literally nothing of value for science"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\nhe praised hitler in 1933 when it wasn't entirely clear what was going to happen and most of the world was still praising him\n\nhe later opposed the nazi regime as reality set in and the consequences of their control began directly effecting his life"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>omg\n>that means le Hitler coud have won the war !!"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhitler was retarded but the jews still managed to prove him right"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "were arabs soldiers have ptsd after their losses against israel ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI bet all those little children the Jews mercilessly terror bombed have PTSD\n\nWhy are Jews so evil bros? I think big H may have had a point…."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">saudi crying\nuhhhhh"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\nOh please, you'll be calling them shitskin camel fucker terrorists the next thread."}, {"id": 5, "content": "The Six-Day War was started by Israel.\nNobody faulted or blamed the Arabs for launching the Yom Kippur War.\n>Lebanon War\nlol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Blessed Karl of Austria"}, {"id": 2, "content": "cute wife"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "the descent of fathers is the most important thing in a man’s life\n\nto people who dont say haplogroups matter"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There is a vast amount of information about spiritual warfare in Catholicism (which uses scapulars, rosaries, medals, etc), but it seems like there's much less in Eastern Orthodoxy. Everything I've stumbled upon just says \"don't sin and fast, bro!\", but that still doesn't fully prevent demonic attacks/influence in your home or body. Do any knowledgeable orthobros know anything deeper about spiritual warfare?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's with the weird Orthodox threads"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nToday is orthodox Easter so a lot of people are sperging out\nNext year might be better tho because orthodox Easter is on the same day as fucking cinco de mayo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI can't speak for everyone, but I was a traditional Catholic for a while, and realized that it's a losing battle because there's no Pope to represent us since Francis pushes the globalist agenda. It's surprisingly difficult to find decent info online about Eastern Orthodoxy in English, since most Christian sites in English are Protestant or Catholic. I learned a lot about spiritual warfare while being a traditional Catholic, as it is something that many people in traditional circles focus on. Anons on /his/ are surprisingly knowledgeable about Orthodoxy, so it made sense to ask about it here"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou seem to be ignorant fren have you never heard of The Philokalia or any of innumerable teachings/writings of countless monastic and ascetical saints such as for example Theophan the Recluse. Orthodoxy actually delves much deeper into spiritual warfare and practice than Catholicism. Distinction is Orthodoxy I guess you can say addresses the initial spiritual root of all spiritual problems and afflictions via ascetic practice and prayer."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I know only about picrel (Nicodemus the Hagiorite) but it's translation of 'Il combattimento spirituale' by Lorenzo Scupoli."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that he used slaves teeth for dentures?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "no, they were wooden\nsaw them at the Reagan library some time ago"}, {"id": 3, "content": "freemason"}, {"id": 4, "content": "This dude was a ginger lmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI never heard anyone seriously claim they were slaves teeth so probably not, come to think of it would it even be practical to use another person teeth as dentures, pretty sure that would just require constant replacements due to rot"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">crucifies your deity\nOopsie! How did Christianity ever catch on with a plot hole this big? God getting killed by the Romans because he refused to join Rome's polytheistic pantheon is a conclusive and irrevocable self-own. If they had the internet back then he'd have been a laughingstock."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him,\n>Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days,and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand 11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];\nby his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities."}, {"id": 3, "content": "nosemen did that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">ADHD romaboo couldn't be bothered to read past the crucifixion\nSpoiler alert: resurrection"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>using the bible in reference to Christianity's history\nngmi, ever heard of a biased source? They made that part of their beliefs up after he was already crucified. I bet you think the Jews were actually enslaved by Egypt too. Whats next, gonna cite the Quran on why Muhammad is a totally for real prophet and not some idiot warlord?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">crucifies jesus\n>sky goes dark\n>earth trembles\n>the man cries out\n>the curtain of the temple rips in two\n>\"Truly, this man was the Son of God.\""}, {"id": 7, "content": "They should've publically dismembered him then impale him or hang him from the balls\nSo christcels would have no symbol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nRight, and Julius \"Mary Sue\" Caesar totally exists and isn't just a made up guy to justify Octavian's rise to power"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\noh the poor jewerino"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nLeaving a guy to hang up for days slowly dying while shitting and pissing himself in public while his followers and purported holy powers can do nothing at all to help him is pretty conclusive.\n\nThe whole \"he pretend died then resurrected then immediately left for heaven ;)\" thing is such obvious after-the-fact cope I can't believe it caught on. Even his own disciples realized he got owned and had to make some shit up about him planning it all along and not actually dying for the lack of punishment from their wrathful God to make any sense. Grim."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnce upon a time, there was an obscure, and mostly forgotten, Rabbi who said that the millennials-old custom and practice of allowing the privileged Rich Nobles and their Establishment(s), their governments, their priests, and their prophets to define, monopolize and rule over all religious practice for their own purposes and benefits, and not for the benefits and needs of the common people, should be greatly challenged.\nThe Early Church was Hetrodox, not Orthodox, and they were a counterculture and a parallel society that professed that commoners - not the rich, the privileged, or the nobles, should run their religion. It was the only religion that allowed ordinary people to be clergy and leaders in their own communities.\nRome's state religion (the Pantheon) was exclusively for the Nobles. The Cults (sects) of Isis, Mithras, Cybele, Hekate, etc. for ordinary people were run and controlled by rich Patrones as burial societies because an ordinary citizen couldn't afford to be buried. Rome liked OLD things, not necessarily true things, which is why even the odd and obnoxious Jews were legitimate religions. Christianity was NEW after its break from Judaism, they looked like the government they were, and that made Rome nervous. The Gnostic Gospels and the Apocrypha are the religious texts the Orthodox Christian 1st Council of Nicea rejected, along with the people who used them which destroyed Early Christianity and gave total control of religion back to the Rich and powerful Nobles, and there were no more discussions about spirituality. Emperor Constantine and his \"christian\" successors were not the \"friends' of Christianity! It took 1,400 years to reverse this damage, and that was done in the US. It took longer to make them give the rights to others that they demanded themselves. Meanwhile, the governments of various nations are trying to regain absolute control over religion again. They firmly must be told NO WAY!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">My son Canada gave me a small gift of $1 billion. I came into Ottawa, and I had to pay him back, and I had to pay him back with interest. But I came into Ottawa and I started paying him back, and I did great."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Kind of weird seeing Churchill get lionized after you realize he had no job his entire life and was constantly on the verge of bankruptcy and would always get financially bailed out by a (((banker))) in exchange for political favours"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nMy son, i love BIC"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I have a question I want to ask God directly. Are there still Church-affiliated prophets who claim to talk to god like in the old testament? How can I get in contact with them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe last prophet was the prophet muhammad. you need to wait for the mahdi or jesus' second coming."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSchizophrenics"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, but they're all charlatans"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Doesn't the LDS president technically do this?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe last prophet with any authority was Bahá’u’lláh. The next Manifestation of God isn’t supposed to come for at least a couple hundred years"}, {"id": 7, "content": "There is no point in sending prophets anymore since God sent His actual Son."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSadhguru"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf by \"prophet\" you mean \"one who speaks on behalf of God\" i.e. in Persona Christi, I believe they are the Bishops."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">rule a bunch of illiterate superstitious peasants\n>try to teach them they don't need it\n>suddenly need support of superstitious peasants\n>\"uhh yeah those churches we've been blowing up for the past two decades are actually sacred\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHe was a brute but he also saved the russian people from complete extinction"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe only correct way to view Stalin. Anyone who has knowledge of lebensraum, the hunger plan, and the commissar order knows that he did what needed to be done."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Will real AI God replace the imaginary Christian God?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do Sunnis explain the Battle of the Camel? Isn't it pretty damning for their view that the Sahaba were all good people?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.\nhttps://islamqa.info/en/answers/127028/necessity-of-refraining-from-discussion-of-the-disagreements-that-occurred-among-the-companions-of-the-prophet-blessings-and-peace-of-allah-be-upon-him"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSunnism is a weird ahistorical cope invented by the Abbasids to stop sectarianism. It failed but it did manage to unite most of the sects within islam including absorbing some of the shia as well so it wasn't a complete failure. That's why you get a laughable concept like the 4 Rashidun Caliphs. Originally Abu Bakr and Umar were considered a single unit with Uthman and Ali being separate. Later on around the mid Abbasid era it became Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman with Ali still his own figure and the cause of much disputes. Ali was very controversial and both venerated and cursed. Ahmad ibn Hanbal was the first one to formulate the 4 Rashidun Caliphs. However, the cope invented was to not judge the sahaba and leave it to Allah which is stupid but that's not really the point. That's how you get the odd handwaving of all the conflicts between the Sahaba and not just the greater conflict of Ali and the rest but between themselves as Aisha, Talha, and Zubayr all agitated against Uthman and organized the attack against him. Later on they attacked Ali over Uthman's death. No one in their right mind should view these guys as good. They were obvious power hungry cunts and all revealed themselves after Muhammad died. In the end it was Muhammad's fault that his so called Umma was a complete failure. He alienated his original followers who were abuse d by the Meccans and fled with him as well the Medinans who took him in by letting the defeated Meccans into his sect with open arms. It's very telling that the first century of Islam is filled with civil war after civil war. The most obvious were the Ridda wars. There were a few people claiming prophethood but the vast majority simply refused to follow Abu Bakr and were ruthlessly suppresed. Umar invented a system that would result in castes being formed based on whether you were among the first armies leading to much resentment among lower class arabs who fought later as well as the non arab mawali clients.\ncont."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWow, that's actually pretty pathetic. I'm used to religious people using mental gymnastics to defend the unsavory actions of their holy men and women, but this might be a new low."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThe rapid decline of arab power in the islamic state can be traced back to Umar's system. Then we have Uthman who attempted to centralize the empire around his family but being the first Islamic leader to be killed by his fellow muslims. Then Ali took over but had to fight a civil war and the battle of the camel can be ignored it was irrelevant his main enemy was Muawiyah who already entrenched himself into Syria as he was governer there for over a decade. Ali established his power base in Mesopotamia to fight him but had a very loose foundation which resulted in his eventual loss as there was too much division within his kufan faction. Ali's example shows that the so called Caliphs were nominal rulers at best as the governers had far more power than some dude sitting on his ass in Medina. The conflicts didn't stop with Ali's death as Muawiyah developed a severe hatred for Ali and other forces like the son of Zubayr decided to buy their time. After Muawiyah died his son Yazid almost immediately lost control over the caliphate and even lost most of syria to rebels and the Umayyads had to fight for Syria before taking on their rivals in Iraq, Arabia, and the Kharijites located throughout the empire. Abd al Malik eventually emerged as the sole victor and was the first ruler since Muhammad's death to be able to suppress all dissidents. This is a very short summary of the first century of islam. Anyone can tell it was a violent period with very unpleasant personalities."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>5\nFinally as I mentioned the main person to blame for this is Muhammad. He probably didn't give a shit what happened after he died. He was living the life after all"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>4\nTo make the companions of Muhammad good people the Sunnis made them extremely naive characters in their recollections who were all led astray by the evil jew Abdallah ibn Saba who supposedly organized the killing of Uthman, caused the battle of the Camel because Aisha and Ali were coming to an agreement (lol), caused Siffin as well, and finally created the evil rafida shia sect to destroy islam from within. The creators of Sunni Islam weren't stupid they needed someone to pass the blame on to. I recommend everyone to read about the first century of islam or at least it's most important personalities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis thread is a rafidha-liberal trap. Everbody and their cat knows that the assumption that all the sahaba had good intentions is exactly that, an assumption!\n\nImagine if we didn't assume this, we would be like the shia, who take what they please of the hadith and remove others because \"Aisha is liar\" or \"Mu'awiya is a tyrant\". The basic premise is this: Muhammad trusted them, so we should trust them too. To disregard this principle is to imply that Muhammad trusted the wrong people which is clearly blasphemous!\n\nIn truth, the events after the death of the prophet were the will of Allah, no one could stop them from happening and it could not have happened in any other way."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\ncont.\n\nA good and realistic video on the Battle of the Camel based on the most unbiased sources: https://youtu.be/bbpf_VANFAI [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>To disregard this principle is to imply that Muhammad trusted the wrong people which is clearly blasphemous!\nwoah woah woah I thought Muhammad was just a human. Whatever happened to Muhammad is not the father of any of your men"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>that Muhammad trusted the wrong people\nMost of his clan was wiped out with a few decades after his death. I'm sure Momo was a good judge of character"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>The basic premise is this: Muhammad trusted them, so we should trust them too. To disregard this principle is to imply that Muhammad trusted the wrong people which is clearly blasphemous!\nBut Muhammad wasn’t infallible he could still make mistakes. His morals and fundamental logic for what he does is perfect but he can still has lapses of judgement, he isn’t God after all. There’s even a Sunni Hadith where he forgets his sallat. I don’t think trusting the wrong people or making mistakes takes away from inherent character perfection.\nI could be wrong though I’ll think about this more later"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWhat a predictable response... To say that Muhammad trusted the wrong people is to imply that God did not give him true knowledge of who the munafiqeen were. That God left religion astray in the hands of those closest to Muhammad.\n\nI will not say that it is revisionist, but it is an extremetity to hold on to these political grudges for 1400 years which the Sahaba would have forgave each other for(which they did if you actually did your homework!)\n\n>>11\nIt is always the assumption of heedless people that God isn't in control of all things."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>But Muhammad wasn’t infallible he could still make mistakes.\nYes, but God wouldn't have just let Muhammad commit a grave mistake such as taking a serial liar as his most intimate companion and wife, who would become one of the most prolific sources for the Sunnah of the Prophet."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nLmao it really is just a cope"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt's really not. It's a compromise. We know the Sahaba weren't perfect, and they made huge mistakes. similar to us, their place in heaven is not confirmed. But to pick and choose from among the Sahaba as if you're siding with characters from a tv show, no good can come from this.\n\nAnd when people do this, and take their subjective conscience as a verifier, they only follow their desires and biases. Allah knows best."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome examples from Sunni Hadith\n> Umar peeped at Muhammad's wives while they were shitting\n>Ali was peeping at Umm Salama one of Muhammad's wives and was possibky having affair\n>4 witnesses law came about because Muhammad wanted to protect Aisha's reputation after she disappeared and came back a few days later with another man by her side\nVGH such moral paragons"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>It's a compromise. We know the Sahaba weren't perfect, and they made huge mistakes\nThis far from your original position\n>To say that Muhammad trusted the wrong people is to imply that God did not give him true knowledge of who the munafiqeen were."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This confuses and infuriates the spartan"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's was unironically won by pure gay power"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why don't religious people admit they can simply be wrong?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why don't atheoids admit they can simply be wrong?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey're too busy worshiping the holy cuckerino and sucking on black people's feet to think straight"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWe can be wrong. What now?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWe can we wrong, what now?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nMost atheists do though. Most religious don't because you're dogmatic."}, {"id": 7, "content": "It isn't possible that I'm wrong about religion"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\n>Christian constantly says \"WELL WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF GOD WERE REAL?\"\n>atheist responds \"Well if he were I'd think he's pure fucking evil.\" Thus admitting that there could be a possibility of it and plays into your fantasy\nYou haven't read the bible btw you larping nigger. Jesus and his dragon friend is a great story too btw, too bad it was cut since they knew that even that was too silly for people to buy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>atheist responds \"Well if he were I'd think he's pure fucking evil\nKinda retarded"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir faith in their 'Good' God must be right, their revelationary religion must be True. That means that everyone else's religion and their gods must be false, and all other denominations worship the wrong God, believe the wrong things, or worship Him incorrectly!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nIf you read the old testament and don't quickly realize God is a killing machine of hatred, you're a retard indoctrinated by your religious teachers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "jews in hollywood in the early 1900s paired wogs with blonde anglo women"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hollywood wasn't jewish back then, kikes got in later on in the 70s and 80s when degeneracy was first starting to spread"}, {"id": 3, "content": "anglos are brunette few of them are blonde"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Hollywood wasn't jewish back then\nwho's gonna tell him?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nwalt disney wasn't a kike"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Laemmle"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVatnigger subversive troll."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\ni want total jewishnigger death"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Hollywood wasn't jewish back then,"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nmy bad, walt disney was the only film producer i knew from that period"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nzooooooooom"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nby the way...\nhollywood has always been degenerate, it's just the standards have changed. notice how all old movies got jazz music? jazz used to be considered degenerate jungle nigger music"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>jazz used to be considered degenerate jungle nigger music\nstill is"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nby chuds with no friends maybe. even among conservatives it's seen as the \"good\" black music before they switched to rap"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>5\n>>12\nHollywood had plenty of non-Jewish film director in the early days of its founding but I doubt any of the low IQ /pol/troons on this board actually enjoy films from Georges Melies or John S. Robertson"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nJazz makes modern music look like a nursery rhyme, even Kurtis Blow does. Genuinely surprised to hear this"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Shut up kvetchberg"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou got it wrong\nIt was wogs who fought against Jews in Hollywood, the golden age of Hollywood had movies censored by the Catholic Church to make them agree with Christian morality\n\nhttps://www.vox.com/videos/2018/4/11/17224220/catholic-church-censorship-golden-age-hollywood-hays-code#:~:text=From%201934%20to%201954%2C%20every,even%20sexual%20relationships%20between%20races.\n\nOnce Jews managed to overturn Catholic censorship, you would begin to see movies that showed divorce as a good or acceptable thing, for example\n\nDivorce American Style, by Bud Yorkin\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvZpikpljg [Embed]\n\nAnglos always side with the Jews"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nRetard"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nkys"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeanwhile, in Japanese cinema...."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>PCT\n>no deepset eyes\n>prominent cheekbones\n>short lower third\nvery attractive female, it's only missing light features and maybe a stronger mandible to be closer to the ideal female"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n+ hooded eyes, increased upper eyelid exposure decreases attractiveness"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\n>Hollywood wasn't jewish back then\nlel"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>>23\nOnly thing missing is a big juicy black dick for them to suck on"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nthat is correct too"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\namerican moment"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\ntoo mongoloid"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>increased upper eyelid exposure decreases attractiveness\none of the reasons why white women age worse than asian women"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Isnt the simple existence of Marcus Aurelius and his writings disprove Machiavelli‘s philosophy that rulers are naturally and should be completely power oriented? Even if marcus’ writings are Apocryphal in nature just the fact he was a peaceful ruler should be proof enough right? To be fair though I’m not sure what are Machiavellis logical fundamentals for his philosophy. I just know he bases it on history at least to some extent.\nAlso why isn’t there any discussion on Marcus’ writings being apocrypha? Feels like no one really doubts he wrote it despite the fact there’s no real proof or at least it feels like.\nAlso Machiavelli looks like a demon in this painting. It feels appropriate considering his philosophy though."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot really, a better counter is men like Washington or Alphonso XII. Men who had massive potential to wield complete power but willingly surrendered it to the people."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmachiavelli was being ironic"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont know. I just know that since i figured that Marcus in his meditations actually is screaming and fighting his own deamons rather then giving rules, i doubt that he was idol as we present him to be.\nHe was great man non the less. He fighted his toughest battle by fighting him self.\nSo on one hand you have Marcus (a man that wanted to conquer him self) and Machiaveli ( a man that wanted to conquer others).\nWhich is more good and valuable.. i cant answer it for others. It all dependa on your framework"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarcus Aurelius spent his life fighting wars and left the throne to his idiot son instead of someone deserving. Peaceful and not power oriented my ass.\nAlso he was very far removed from the top of roman rulers, who were in fact extremely power hungry. Especially the best one, Augustus."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's a big guy\n>>5\n>Marcus Aurelius spent his life fighting wars and left the throne to his idiot son instead of someone deserving. Peaceful and not power oriented my ass.\nWhile anyone with two brain cells to rub together can agree about his abysmal succession, what was he supposed to do with his frontiers, let them go even further to shit?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmachiavelli says that rulers should be like that if they want to be effective in governing their state to power.\n\nboth empirically and logically that's true. if you're a leader with a clear vision that must be implemented in order to bring wealth and power to your state, and subsequently to yourself, then any kind of discourse and opposition will do no more than hinder progress, so it's best to bring those people in line or eliminate them. they're only self interested pricks who want to take what's yours for no other reason than selfishness, and they'll fuck up anything in the process, whereas you are a great leader with a clear vision and the only one capable and worthy of ruling.\n\nthat is precisely why discpline is heavily emphasized in militaristic cultures and respecting authority is also a general social theme. when such things fall out of fashion, then the barbarians at the gates or the saboteurs from within proceed to fuck up the order of things in trying to steal everything for themselves very fast.\n\nor so the story goes. sure some leaders are democratic, but I can't imagine that marcus aurelius didn't have to make hard choices and even order the ocassional killing or two in order to maintain his position and also the stability of the state"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIsn’t he seen as one of the 5 greats?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>what was he supposed to do with his frontiers\nHe was supposed to do exactly what he did, which wasn't peaceful.\nYou can't be a good and peaceful monarch. You can only be a shitty peaceful monarch, or a good monarch who had the good luck not to need to wage wars.\n>>8\nYes, for whatever little it means.\nIt's not like the five greats are the five best emperors, they're just the members of the antonine dynasty (aside from Verus who never ruled alone and Commodus who was a shit).\nIt was just an attempt to smear succession by blood, ignoring that they were all blood or marriage related so it's a fucking stupid point anyway."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n> they're only self interested pricks who want to take what's yours for no other reason than selfishness, and they'll fuck up anything in the process, whereas you are a great leader with a clear vision and the only one capable and worthy of ruling.\nI don’t think Machiavelli thought that’s how a ruler should think. Isn’t it the complete opposite? The Ruler acknowledges that all he cares for is his own power and nothing else. That it was good and just to be selfish because it benefits yourself and does everything he can to only help himself. Looking at his subjects as sheep. There’s no real virtue or romanticism in his philosophy it’s completely pragmatic. I could be wrong though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>There’s no real virtue or romanticism in his philosophy it’s completely pragmatic.\nThis is the only accurate bit. Machiavelli doesn't think it matters what the ruler cares about or how he sees his people. He's only describing the best ways to preserve power at the personal and dynastic level regardless of justification.\nIt's purely technical, zero ideology involved (which is not to say zero bias)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he was a peaceful ruler\nlmao read a book"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\ni didnt mean it in that sense, I was imagining a romantic leader, or rather a pretty basic one, not machiavelli's ideal leader.\n\nmost people are retards through and through and when they get into power they can't stop convincing themselves they are divine and superior in body and mind.\n\neither way it's a nice confidence boost to your already self interested position"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why there is such an obsession with atheist, jews and trannies among the 'dissident right' ?\nNo matter the topic of the thread it's always end up with someone screeching about at least one of those groups"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheists vs Religion infighting is not unique to the dissident right\n\nJews are categorically evil and responsible for many of the worlds ills\n\nTrannies have rocketed themselves to internet mockery because a surprising amount of internet discourse is controlled by tiny cliques of terminally online troons. Seriously, many hobbies and gaming discussion groups have had their communities hijacked by tranny cry bullies who sit on thei internet all day and demand everyone validates their delusions."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the far right believes abnormal=dangerous It doesn't matter that most of these groups are quite small, anyone defending them just gets lumped into the abnormal category as if they are the same and thus, in their minds, become an existential threat to society."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWtf, why do I see Satan in that image as thumbnail?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>wtf why are you obsessed with people trying to destroy you?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Insecure and impotent people project their shortcomings and inadequacies onto minorities or odd individuals all the time."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nAtheists, trannies and most certaintly jews couldn't give a rat's ass about some deranged internet obsessed loser like you"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Atheists, trannies and most certaintly jews couldn't give a rat's ass about some deranged internet obsessed loser like you\nExplain the ADL"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>Atheists, trannies and most certaintly jews couldn't give a rat's ass about some deranged internet obsessed loser like you\n>Explain the ADL"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou forgot women and gays"}, {"id": 11, "content": "It's part of their biology"}, {"id": 12, "content": "I wonder why"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nand why is this a bad thing"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>27%\nI wonder what that % would be if prostitution was excluded"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nI have only seen this headline posted on /pol/ and ifunny"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nI'm jewish btw"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause all three groups have power grossly larger than their numbers? Lmao, are you retarded?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Western civilization is nearing the end of its journey. Ancient Greece was its infancy, Rome was its early childhood, Byzantium was its preteenhood, the medieval era was its adolescence, the renaissance was its young adulthood, the age of imperialism(1492-1914) was its middle adulthood and WWI to now is its senile decay."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Western civilization\n>Byzantium"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's OK, China will preserve Western civilization."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like how it started with nations then it devolved into just geographic locations."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Western civilization is nearing the end of its journey.\nGood. Rest in piss. I hate jews"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Oh Rome, thou art the glory of the past The beacon of the world, the seat of power Thy splendor and thy wisdom unsurpassed Thy virtues and thy vices still inspire\n\nHow I long to see thy marble halls Thy temples and thy forums, rich and grand To hear thy orators, thy poets’ calls To feel thy spirit in thy sacred land\n\nBut time has wrought its changes on thy face Thy empire fell, thy glory dimmed by foes Thy people scattered, mingled with the base Thy culture lost, thy heritage erodes\n\nYet still I love thee, Rome, with all my heart And hope that from thy ashes thou shalt start"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Byzantium"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Bros, it's over..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Western civilization is nearing the end of its journey\nPeople were saying that, or something very much like it, at the end of every one of those ages you listed"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Yes, I'm sure durka durka muhammed jihad is a very viable alternative for this"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>senile decay\nIt's called eleutheromania, and it persists for as long as you think freedom is---or was ever, or will ever be---real."}, {"id": 12, "content": "read spengler"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nkek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Atheism is obviously correct\n\nGod was obviously made up by people who didn't have a better idea of how the universe worked\n\nJust look at creationism, nobody believes that anymore because evolution is a more convincing theory.\n\nHow many more Christian myths have to be BTFO by the physicalism of science before Christians finally admit their beliefs are a lie?\n\n>hurr durr soience\nNot an argument."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere will always be dumb people anon, we just have to deal with it.\nNot even an atheist but you’re clearly smarter than the religious folk."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">atheism is obviously correct\n>no attempt to demonstrate that no theos exists"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncool, no one cares"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Another idiot who idolizes a \"universe without god\" theory\nHow's your little cult getting on?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "No one has ever refuted this \"steelmanned\" argument for the existence of God. God will be created during the technological singularity.\n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYbA1pt8LA [Embed]\nhttps://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/the-case-for-the-physical-existence-of-god/"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Still no evidence for macroevolution."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God was obviously made up by people who didn't have a better idea of how the universe worked\nworse, to psyops the gullible goyim"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nYou don't even have an argument against the problem of natural evil."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSource?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nReally looks like you don't care when you come into the thread just to make a post, LMAO\n\n>>5\nThere's no God, he's made up.\n\n>>7\nEvolution has tons of evidence.\n\n>>10\nThe source is me."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>obviously\nAnd why is it obviously correct?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nLike this anon says, there will forever be retarded people in the world who keep Christianity afloat. Hell, there are retards who are trying to revive pagan religions."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nPure \"Evil\" doesn't exist, only degrees of absence of good qualities, therefore making Evil undefinable in a vacuum (ironically) and therefore irrelevant in any sort of philosophical quandary"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1681683996568954.webm"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe in creation"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nGod is obviously made up by pre-scientific people. Just like previous gods. They used to believe that the sun crossed the sky because a sun god was pulling it with his chariot. They literally believed that. And Christians literally believed in creationism.\n\nScience has advanced. OBVIOUSLY science is not perfect and will probably never be perfect. There's still tons we don't know. But science has made progress and told us things we didn't know previously. Like evolution.\n\nScience gains knowledge by testing the universe and gathering cold, hard data. Where is the cold, hard evidence for God? It doesn't exist.\n\nEvery argument for God is based on human intuition. \"Oh, I think there must be a cause to the universe, therefore God exists.\" Bullshit. The universe is not obliged to conform to your intuitions. The universe can be pretty unintuitive, as shown by quantum mechanics and relativity.\n\nThis is why it's obvious that God was made up by humans.\n\n>>15\nNot familiar with this show. As for the Bible, I think historians think it has some historical accuracy. They believe Jesus really existed. But that doesn't mean Jesus was the son of God. I don't think he was. I think he was just a random preacher."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nScience is a false god"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Just like there are still apes around even though we share a common ancestry with them, there will still be people with ancient and outdated ways of thinking around despite living in the 21st century. It's just inevitable."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nI never said science was a god. And I said it's obviously not perfect. But at least it reveals truth.\n\n>>19\nTrue. But religions are going the way of the dodo, it seems. Pic related."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheism is a Question, not an answer."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObviously not correct."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nWhat's fun is that the few understandings we have of life are so thanks to the science, but christcucks and believers will still profit from them and their progress, like technology, while praising a non-existant jewish god who brings nothing to human ackowledge. What a pity.\n\nScientists are the motor, believers the brakes, and they constantly slow humanity progress."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nDecades of apologetics has made Christians oblivious to the fact that Jesus and everyone else in the ancient world were young earth creationists. They spout copes like \"well but the fathers of the church had a variety of views like with Origen or saint Augustine\" to downplay this part of the bible in light of modern science so they don't feel like total retards.\n\nIf we had never kicked these idiots from their places of authority we would still be counting angels on pinheads and compiling bestiaries with magical creatures that don't exist like in the middle ages."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nYou can't prove you're not a faggot, therefore you must be one"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How many more Christian myths have to be BTFO by the physicalism of science before Christians finally admit their beliefs are a lie?\nI think that will endure no matter what.\n\nHowever, when science cracks abiogenesis (life from dead matter, RNA World, all of that stuff) + human consciousness, it will be a fatal blow.\n\nI must imagine it will be a similar thing to when vitalists faced the reality of molecular biology when it came about and it said oh lol we are actually made of tiny super complex machines and not animated by some esoteric \"life energy\"."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\nYou are a nigger. Your opinions are irrelevant"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>However, when science cracks abiogenesis (life from dead matter, RNA World, all of that stuff) + human consciousness, it will be a fatal blow.\nthis is what im thinking."}, {"id": 29, "content": "There is a prophetic movement going on during this season and I don't want you to miss on what God is doing. Prophecy is sharp and accurate to a T. I mention all of this because Genesis is all about that. If it is God doing it and he is saying it, then it is more than mythology/manga Beserk Naruto My Hero Folk Myth Fable Stories Hansel Gretel."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Alexander the closest human being to be a god/demigod?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "a greek one maybe, considering how horny and hedonistic he was"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe looks like a fag little cuckboy in that reconstruction. Alexander was also a soldier and military commander, he looked like an actual man, more like pic related"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nno the other one is better\n\nhe was bisexual"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why weren't all those antiwar hippie protesters arrested and carted off to the nearest recruiting station to become drafted soldiers as punishment for their treason?\n\nIsn't the reason why we lost the war was because we were too soft on protesters? I think we should have deployed the tanks and arrested everyone who protested the war and send those communist sympathizers to the frontlines along with the politicians who undermined our resolve. Freedom is good and all but when our country is at war you better shut your mouth and say nothing. So why wasn't there crackdowns against Vietnam protesters?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThats what liberalism is, i can leech off of x country but at the same time shit on it. This is why it always leads to failure. Im happy China won"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSedition is hard to prosecute here and hasn't been done in decades."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Noooo you HAVE to be in support of our men dying in a war you don't agree with\n>Just do whatever the government says! Don't ask any questions they're always right!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the war was a lost cause supported by MIC shareholders. Only boomers who opposed the war then are warhawk revisionist (we ackchualy le won) types now.\n>>2\nAnd yet it's lasted longer than any censorship loving dictatorship you pine for as some kind of lost Wakanda"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChud OP can't make Love so he wants War on everyone who does."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Because the definition of treason isn't \"I disagree with the government's foreign policy\" you daft cocksucker. Go move to China."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno way somebody is this retarded and clueless, this has to be bait"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nChina won. Its over for Amerinsects"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nAll of this"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>civilians disagree with the gov\n>shoot them\n>um why do you keep comparing us to commie I will have you know that we're much better"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this is war in becoming increasingly unpopular\n>lets force people who really don't like said war to fight in it, what could possibly go wrong\nretards really need to stop going full edge mode for nam, sorry retards but it wouldn't fix that shitshow"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nFeel free to move somewhere else then."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn a word: eleutheromania.\n>Freedom is good\nSomething you're clearly familiar with..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why isn't English the official language of the United States?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Is that state capital city actually called Bismarck?\n\nHow the fuck did they get away with that during ww1"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe government of this country has been pro-miscegenation since it was founded. There was never a period where it was ever good or championing its own Anglo-Saxon roots. Foreigners have *always* been regarded with greater esteem by the rulers of America."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the founders never planned on or imagine a future where the United States included various non-whites under the umbrella of economic superempire. So it never crossed their minds as a necessary clause in the first place."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nsame way how Switzerland gets away with the fact that there is a city named \"Judenburg\" which features a semite with long nose in its coat of arms.\nSometimes people are too lazy or sometimes the original meaning of terms are just lost to time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's like how 1000 years ago nobody had \"flags\" and 200 years ago nobody had \"national anthems\"\nSpecifically writing down a \"official language\" into a constitution (instead of having it just be implied) is a very modern phenomenon and actually younger than the United States Constitution"}, {"id": 7, "content": "For most of America's early history, the federal government was a much smaller, less intrusive presence than it is today. There was no real perceived need for the federal government to official promote or recognise a language at a federal level. What language should be used at a state or local level was usually obvious, and reflected the character of the people there. Massachusetts and Pennsylvania? English. Florida? English and Spanish. Louisiana? French and English, Vermont and Maine? English and French, etc.\n\nAs time went on, English has become more and more dominant, but this if anything made an official language law seem more a case of stating the obvious so for most of the 20th century the need for one. Today there is more of a desire for such a law in certain quarters than ever before, BUT there is also a great feeling of opposition to one, as well and for the same reason: increasing linguistic diversity makes the idea seem both more urgent OR more inappropriate, depending on how you look at it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA better question to ask is, why should it be? We already have standardized signage which happens to be in English, and in some states also Spanish, due to convenience. There is no benefits to making English an \"official official\" language. And rednecks from Flyover states created this weird cope that language and race are somehow intrinsically tied, which is complete nonesense. There is 0 reason a white man cannot learn a language other than English."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Because the US has already been working fine without an official language, so adopting an official language would just be a formality that carries the risk of you being accused of racism, xenophobia, etc."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAren't Americans all for Federarism, and States' rights and so on and so forth? Why do you want a national official language? If anything let States each define their own languages. (SPOILER: You won't like the results)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the elite want to hand the country over to mud people."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Well I think german at one point was very close to being the official language. Also americ has tons of immigrants throughout its history. So having a official language makes life difficult for the millions you want to come here. Now what should we do today? I think English should be the official federal government language. But then states can remain how they are. Open to any languages and willing to work with whatever language the current poeple live there speak. So like lousiana might have English andfrench. Texas would have English and Spanish. Wyoming might have English and then tons of Indian languages. That's what we should do today in 2023."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause behaving like a proper Government makes eleutheromaniacs feel bad."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any comparable stories of complete bullshit luck enabling mass conquest?\n\nI don't think even Alexander's conquests were this lucky"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPizarro was even luckier, even if you discount the fact that he stumbled onto the Inca while they were in a civil war, since that was inevitable at some point given how fucky their system was at the top level"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCortez was only lucky in the sense that the indians he was conquering happened to have lots of gold. The conquest itself was almost entirely calculated and executed in a skilled manner. These men weren't some malnourished retards from the slums of Seville. They were tercios and veterans of the Italian wars. They knew exactly what they were doing."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPeru is in picrel\n\n>>3\nThere were so many points where Cortez could've easily been completely btfo if the wind didn't blow his way that it reads like fanfic. But yes both he and Pizarro were excellent strategists exploiting all the bullshit luck they had."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vilcaconga happening more than once in various parts of the spanish conquests makes the luck thing sound like cope. Maybe incredible luck can swing the initial conquest but maintaining that control for centuries would take longer, far more improbable streaks"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Cortez could've easily been completely btfo if the wind didn't blow his way that it reads like\nIrrelevant. The Spanish would have sent another expedition soon after. If anything it just proved how adaptable Cortez was if he almost got btfo many times."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>The Spanish would have sent another expedition soon after\nThey wouldn't have actually. The Crown was already very dubious about the whole concept of conquest and Cortez was originally supposed to be forging trade ties. If he ended up losing thousands of colonial troops for nothing they would've pulled the plug on attempts at conquest, not to mention that the Aztecs would be familiarized with the Spanish tech and strategy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>They wouldn't have actually.\nThat's debatable I suppose. Only they knew what they would have done.\n>The Crown was already very dubious about the whole concept of conquest\n\nnigga what. the spanish established a network of claimed islands in the Caribbean using Italian cartographers and then used those as ports to enter the mainland. they set foot in America a decade before conquering the Aztecs and established Spanish Florida."}, {"id": 9, "content": "It wasn’t luck. It was skillz. That’s how they not only did it once, but thrice (mesoamerica, andes and philipines)"}, {"id": 10, "content": "The pathetic performance of the Indians and the overwhelming military force of the Spanish were the determining factors in the conquest of America."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt was more that the Indios almost unanimously sided with the Spaniard; and put their lore on Mesoamerican geography, languages, and culture at the Spaniard's disposal.\nTenochtitlan was just that much HATED, by its rivals and erstwhile subjects."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nNarvaez was already on his way idk why everyone just ignores that poor fuck."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>indios\nThey're literally your people panchito"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>stories of complete bullshit luck enabling mass conquest\nYou're living in one, hopefully nearing the end."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Almost exactly the same size as the Mediterranean Sea\n>No big seafaring empires or trading networks form\nWhy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFull of yuck people"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYou're a brown gook from Malaysia."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTropical, way more stormy and unpredictable than the Mediterranean, and settled by humans way, way later. The Mediterranean had continuous human inhabitants for tens of thousands of years, Caribbean islands didn't even get people until 3000BC"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo horses and lack of large coastal settlements. There is some evidence of trade between Mayans in the Yucatan and Tainos in Cuba and Jamaica however."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey tensed to have land empires because the water is shallow enough to accommodate small craft so large craft that can project power were never something that had to be invented"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The Americas lacked large animals to domesticate which slowed down the technological development of the continent compared to Europe and Asia. If they lasted a few hundred more years they probably would have started to make cross ocean voyages. But OP’s premise is also false. The United States controls much of the Caribbean and it became the largest naval power in world history."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ndidn't they originally have shit like camels and horses?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nthat was like 10 thousand years ago dude"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAll completely unused to great apes and hunted to extinction by them"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nNope, horses were introduced into the Americas by Spanish explorers, they are actually not native to North America. Same with camels. The main pack animal of the Americas were Llamas. prior to Columbus"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWay more violent and unpredictable weather than the mediterranean"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHurricanes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you know they didn't? an entire city sunk into the seafloor near Cuba"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt the peak of its economical relevancy in the 18th century, the entire region was controlled by colonial powers. After that, the resources of the region weren’t able to sustain an empire, maybe with the exception of Mexico."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nThey were reintroduced by the Spanish. The Americas did have horses but they were driven to extinction by natives ~10kya."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>Tropical, way more stormy and unpredictable than the Mediterranean, and settled by humans way, way later.\n\nIsland Southeast Asia is tropical and way more stormier than the Caribbean and yet people here were great sailors and ran Thalassocracies by default."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nhow many of those are negritoes? the natives of the caribbean region are cavemen tier amazonians that didnt even have agriculture"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho exactly would they have traded with? The Mediterranian Sea became a hot spot for oceanic trade early on because Egypt, Greece, the Middle East, and Ancient Rome were all around at roughly the same time. That wasn't really the case in North America. There was the Aztecs in modern day Mexico to Central America, several disconnected Native American City states to the North like the Pueblo, and the Andean civilizations to the South. There was little motivation to develop oceanic trade in the region."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey get tropical storms every year that destroy any infrastructure previously erected, especially if you make them out of wood and un-mortared simple stonework"}, {"id": 21, "content": "there was some inter-island commerce by the Arawaks and Caribs. Lesser Antilles especially are very small and can't much thrive without that.\nProblems have been noted in this thread - volcanoes (one of them took out 2/3 of Montserrat in my lifetime), earthquakes (hey - where's Port Royal, Jamaica??), tsunamis, and especially 'canes. Nobody is investing in building a nice sturdy stone port if the wooden ports keep getting swallowed up by the Earth and Sea.\nSo the boating stayed just-good-enough to get from St Lucia to Granada. Maybe Barbadoes some of the time.\n>>17\nThese Thalassocracies came fairly late compared to Canaan and Greece. Also had some input from, exactly, cultural descendents of the Semites and the Greeks, namely the Indians and the Arabs. Who did the Arawaks have? The Maya, I guess. Except that their boats weren't good for getting over to Cozumel consistently."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>These Thalassocracies came fairly late compared to Canaan and Greece. Also had some input from, exactly, cultural descendents of the Semites and the Greeks\n\nComplete cope. Austronesians were boatniggers supreme.\n\nAlso\n>Indians\n>Sailing\nFuckers are afraid of what they called \"black water\" (the sea) and thought you lost caste if you went over it."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Mediterranean Sea got important because of bronze. Tin and Copper wasn't in the same place so we moved it aroud, that's the bronze age with egypt and shit, and they needed british or iberian tin if i remember correctly"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRace."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nHe not Finnish-Korean?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrading networks connecting to what."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nMexico, Florida, the giant Mississippi river network that connects a resource and agriculturally rich region larger than all of Europe to the gulf.\nLet me guess those were all under developed because the regions they bordered were also underdeveloped and so on.\nIf your argument is that development is impossible without being in connection with an already developed region, how do you explain any development?\nDid Sumeria just poof into existence to provide the seed of civilization to the old world?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLow IQ strikes again"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\n>You need horses to sail\nWot"}, {"id": 30, "content": "The spaniards turned it into a trading area. So did the british. Why didn't the natives do it? They lacked the technology to make it happen."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>22\nwrong"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nI think his point was that horses are needed to create the kind of society that would create a maritime empire and unless you consider periods of migration like the expansion of Polynesians to be akin to the building of an empire I guess he's right? Idk feels like a stupid point regardless but I have not rebuttal yet."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's inhabited by subhumans."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>4\n\nFew places on earth are 'way more stormy and upredictable than the mediterran'\nAnd people sailed there just fine from 1492 onwards"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStone age/chalcolithic peoples there, really hadn't developed the sort of technology that you need to dominate your environment the way the Med was."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>14\nDude that's a model..."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>17\nThey had better technology, from whatever source..."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAhem…\n\nN"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the ancient world human society as well as the gods were divided into three categories, or castes. The priestly, the martial and the productive.\n\nIf you think about it, all three Abrahamic religions fit into these three functions.\n>Judaism\nThe highest, priestly and sovereign function. With Moses as its patron god.\n>Islam\nThe martial warrior cult. Mohammed was a war lord by profession.\n>Christianity\nThe producer class. Jesus was carpenter and the cult elevates the commoner as sacred."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGmirkin in his book Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus:\nHellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch shows enough evidence to convince me, at any rate, that the dating of the Pentateuch needs to be revised. He gives evidence that Plato, Manetho, and Berossus all pre-date the writing of the Hebrew scriptures. Of course Judaism existed before this time, but it was radically transformed by the writers of the Pentateuch who had the political and financial clout of Ptolemy II to back them... For example, the names Moses and Aaron are amongst the most popular of Jewish names. But when we look at the records that we have these names are shown to be completely unknown prior to the 270's BC! That is apparently when these characters were created... 'Cause no one had heard of them before that time! There is no evidence of a \"sabbath day\" before this time as well, nor indeed that Judaism was any different from any other Levantine religion of the time, including the use of cult statues of JHVH."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the aryan world the tripartite division was: the warrior-priest-nobility, the city artisans and the slaves. By early modern period this had further split up into priests, nobility, officers, soldiers, burghers, peasants/slaves"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">look up yugoslav wars\n>belligerents: serbia vs mujahideen alliance of middle eastern terrorist, serbia vs albanian mafia, serbia vs independent state of musulmanic diversions and subversion, serbia vs muslim alliance of organ harvest, serbia vs shariah state of europe in exile\n\nso why did the west support musulmans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSerbs are brown and subhuman"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they were Russian allies, and the jews in our govt (especially Albright) wanted Russia to be the baddies again. You know, in order to sustain the military industrial complex. This was largely the beginning of the United State’s plan to remake the world in its image. Afghanistan, Iraq, and now nazis in Ukraine were to follow."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Because there is never a bad occasion to poke one's finger in the Russians' eyes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Bombing the Serbs to Hell"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Russia\nRussia was a failed state that could barely defeat a bunch of ragheads in Caucasus, let alone spread influence beyond its borders. If anything Yeltsin mistrusted Milosevic because he, being the retard he was, supported the communist putchists in Russia. Russia even supplied weapons to Croatia while the west had Croatia on embargo.\n\nThe west at first wanted a peaceful solution and to preserve Yugoslavia as a whole but after the Serbs fucked up in Vukovar and razed the town to dust which the whole world saw, they realized it was better to let it go and support the breakaway republics instead. Simply put, Serbs had no military capability of preserving Yugoslavia or creating greater Serbia, and they were also shit at diplomacy, left without allies while the Croats and Muslims, and later Albanians, were lobbying left and right for support."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nt. CIA glowie interventionist"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n\nYou forgot to mention Germany's meddling. Especially why they were pushing so hard to Croatian and Slovenian recognition. its to be reminded, Kohl and Genscher were former nazis.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ua1WB-fovQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>nazis\n>imported Turks by the truckload\nLol"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>8\nThat happened later. Initially EEC was very interested in including Yugoslavia after the wall fell, they wanted a stable single market in that region. The only condition was to stabilize the internal matters and to stop all military operations. In late 1991-early 1992 they finally gave up on the idea seeing the country was beyond salvation and decided to recognize the breakaway states instead."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are they like this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Germany, 1938-1945\n>Jews Expelled, nothing else we promise we promise we promise"}, {"id": 3, "content": "They are natural-born scoundrels, swindlers, parasites, purveyors of degeneracy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>spend sixty years saying six million died\n>the goyim finally believe it\n>literally have holocauster lawyers fighting for reparations in the year 2023, reparations still being doled out as we speak\n>eternal gibs machine finally worked"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThat entire list could have been summarized into 10 nations."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt is incomplete."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBased snopes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n\nMaybe, but saying over 100 countries gives the impression that its nearly the entire world, when its mostly just western europe under changing monarchs"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nDid you even see the list? They have been kicked out of all mena countries as well"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAre you seriously going to have me check my folders for those articles on random places in central America exiling jews in the modern day?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n(West) Germany stopped paying reparations in the 1950s\nalso why are you posting newspaper headlines where 6 million is an estimation of the total number of Jews in Russia or in Europe\nalso holocaust was just a fancy word for a fire back then"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nGaster pls leave, why are you shitposting on /his/"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n\nYeah, first when they were parts of the Roman empire.\nThen the arab conquest\nThen there is a gap of like 1500 years, wtih a few minor exceptions during the crusades, or when someone jewish had committed murder.\nThen the creation of Israel.\n\nThere are a few absurd examples, like Mongolia and China, which I can imagine was probably a handful of traders who were greeted like the christian missionaries, except they didnt have cannons with them.\n\nThere are several religious minorities in the middle east that hasnt been well treated either, you're tunnel visioning a lot here."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews don't believe in hell\nChristians do believe in hell\nHell is an important tool Christians use to convert people\nChristians take over Europe\nChristians create this \"Jewish Degenerate\" narrarative as a cope\nJew make Christians seethe for the next thousand years as a result\nThats literally it. Everything else is just /pol/tard cope"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nEurope is the world"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThis post wins one gold star"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I used to actually get spooked when people point out really fucked up rich people that get away with moraless behaviour and agreed there was some demonic conspiracy or dark Cabal shit\n\nBut of course all the most powerful people in the world are going to lack morals. The most powerful thing within our system is money, and the process of making money is completely removed from morals, with the lacking of morals actually being a positive if your goal is to make, as then you can essentially just always make the best decision for your finances.\n\nThat doesn't necessarily you have to be evil, but it really is essentially inevitable that all the most powerful people in the world are going to be lacking in morals and likewise there is literally no conspiracy and should be no surprise when they do acts without any moral regard as it was essentially an inevitability.\n\nThis does not mean that you have to lack morals to be good at making money, or that all rich people are Evil, but being able to choose when and when not to care about shit depending on how it affects you financially will always be a major benefit in the process of making money."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI never got the conspiracy that there was a secret dark cabal of elites secretly controlling everything. Like there’s already a cabal of elites running everything out in the open, there’s no need to pretend that they’re doing it secretly."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe rich people are just dumb"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConspiracyshit falls apart when you realize Elites arent bugmen and are at each others throats as well."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRich people are immoral compared to whom?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nan actual moral person, someone who lives through their life without having harmed anyone very much , whether directly or indirectly.\n\njust think of a good person you know in your real, there’s no one size fits all"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Makes papists cry\n>All about removing guilt and letting you feel good\n>Confuses and filters Reformed freaks\n>cool symbol\n>OP Music\n>produced OP philosophers like Leibniz, Kant and Hegel\n>Opened the door to private enterprise and the industrial revolution"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically the most sane and balanced iteration of Christianity. And, ironically, it's the one often overlooked and forgotten."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">All about removing guilt and letting you feel good\npure satanism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>bragging about fucking Kant and Hegel of all people"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt’s poorly worded but he meant that you’re assured of your own salvation so you’re not worried about it all the time and you can focus on helping your neighbors. Not satanic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat’s stupid. The Christian life is about constant war within. Spirit vs flesh. If you don’t feel completely freaked out, you’re not on the straight and narrow."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>All about removing guilt and letting you feel good\nI thought it was the opposite"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Confuses\nBecause it's incoherent"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The purpose of Romanism is to make the masses feel constant guilt and terror, so they never question their station or try to improve their lot. Same with Calvinism, although Calvinism terrorizes believers in a different way then Romanism.\n\nLutheranism or any other \"feel good\" Christianity enrages Trads and no-fun Puritans because it means all their self-doubt and inner struggle was meaningless."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nt. masturbator"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nYou do not have faith if you think this way"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n\nHe was speaking about material anxieties. Learn context, brother."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAre you living in repentance and faith? Daily repentance of sins and daily believing the gospel? If you do your salvation is assured. Signs of your faith are outward not inward.\nhttps://youtu.be/xE4DLphxA_U [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Signs of your faith are outward not inward.\nThat’s the opposite of Christianity."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Makes papists cry\nRent free"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>baptism holy communion\nIs that outward or inward?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>outward or inward\nFalse dichotomy"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNo it’s not. Baptism and communion are outside of ourselves. We are not looking inward for salvation and forgiveness. It’s found by looking outside of ourselves to God’s promises where you’ll see your salvation is assured."}, {"id": 21, "content": "I go to a high church lutheran church\nAMA"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Makes papists cry\nI literally have no fucking clue what pic related even is."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI go to a sober Lutheran church\nAMA"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Opened the door to private enterprise and the industrial revolution\nYes, that was uniformly satisfactory for all concerned I must say..."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nWould your church accept a devout tranny who wears head coverings and keeps to itself in the pews?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nSadly yes because i go to a church that is part of Swedish Church.\n\nYes i am gonns change church eventually."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhat's wrong with trannies in the pews if they wear a head covering?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThey're trannies."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nGod loves everyone no matter what. You have an unjustifiable fear of transexuals."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>For this is what the LORD says: \"To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant--\n\n>to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nIf you absolutely refuse to conform your will to Christ you clearly have no faith"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nhttp://reformedanswers.org/answer.asp/file/40690\n\nTrannies aren't eunuchs"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>In Matthew 19:12 Christ mentions three types of eunuchs... (2) those who were physically castrated\nIE trannies"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nBut Christ never said anything about trannies"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nCastration is not the same as wanting to be the other sex"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\n\nGod does love everyone\nThieves and rapists and murderers and serial killers and war criminals and every possible kind of faggot that crawls the earth and you and me\nGod loves all\nAnd no one, no one, can do anything against gods will\nGod rejoices in us, god rejoices in our sins, all of them\nFuck reformation, read meister Echart"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nTrannies castrate themselves. They are eunuchs."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\nhttps://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/19-12.htm\n\nEunuchs arent trannies you tranny"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nYeah and eunuchs aren't trannies"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nNot all eunuchs are trannies, but most trannies are eunuchs.\n>>38\nCope"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nSeethe tranny"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>22\n>I literally have no fucking clue what pic related even is.\nThen you dont belong to /his/ to begin with"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Permantely kills Lutheranism\nkek based calvinist house"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nNot a tranny and not seething, I like seeing trannies eunuchs in my pews as long as they wear picrel"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Post your favorite /his/ games\n\n>Jey's Empire\nPic related. A strategy game where you lead the FBI throughout the 1960s. Super janky but fun.\n>Rise of the White sun\nA game by the same dev. Even jankier but the only (strategy) game to take place in the Chinese warlord era.\n>China: Mao's Legacy\nStrategy game where you lead China through the late Cold War. Another janky SOVL game\n>Pentiment\nPoint & Click Adventure game that takes place in 16th century Germany. Only game I'll add with decent production value.\n>The Campaign Trail\nA free US Preisdential election simulator. Can be played here: https://newcampaigntrail.github.io/campaign-trail/index.html\nShittons of mods with varying quality ranging from garbage to kino"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I played the fuck out of this one\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5yEIITA03I [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are they the Aryans of the Amerindian race?\nPatriarchal warrior nomads that displaced farmcucks and started highly militaristic proto kingdoms"}, {"id": 2, "content": "chichimec BVLLS owning olmecalards"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Good night. I'm Brazilian and I love PAWGs. What is the European country with the most PAWGs?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs we are on a History board, I will be posting Vintage PAWGs."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIceland\nI heard their rape rates are so high due to all the big white asses there\n\nAnd unfortunately they are too far away from Africa for enough supply of BBC to reach them\nI'm praying for these BBC starved PAWGs"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo they feed you fuckers something special or lost to the sands of time how do so many brazilian women have big bundas?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Gentlemen.\nTo wives, and to sweethearts\nMay they never meet."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Sweden and Russia."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nis it even possible to find a woman like this nowadays"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nkinda cute ngl"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNot a coomer anymore btw, but get ass looks like Katrina Moreno's ass in a certain beach video"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou will bear the mark of coomerdom until your last days"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically white Americans. They're a mix of British and German, both of which have bigger asses than other Northwestern/Central Europeans."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "For me, it's Maria"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwould you save them with a time machine, op?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYeah, and Alexei, and Alexandra. Not Nicholas though, that faggot deserved it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTatiana was clearly the best girl."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBut Maria had good blowjob eyes"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n\nChoose wisely"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\n>>5\n>>6\nbuilt for big soviet cock"}, {"id": 8, "content": "For me, it's Tatiana\n\nI'm chatting with her im characterai. I'm telling her everything is gonna be ok"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWe could've been so happy together ;_;"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\neh to be fair to nicholas he was a shit ruler but he couldn't really help it his father died when he was very young and nobody taught him the basics of how to rule also didnt help that he was surrounded by boot lickers that never told him the reality of what was happening especially when it came to the war/peasants etc"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are so antisemitic people also Christian. Christianity started as an offshoot of Judaism. The Bible and Torah share multiple sections. Jesus, the central figure of Christianity, was a Rabbi.\nThey claim that they hate the Jews for killing Jesus even though Jesus himself was a Jew. It’s also not even true that Jews killed Jesus as he turned himself in to be killed by the Romans.\nI don’t get it."}, {"id": 2, "content": "We invented formal antisemitism actually. Don’t look up what Emperor Julian tried to do in Jerusalem."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Jews demanded Jesus be killed"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAntisemites rarely actually think their own ideologies through. All their tiny brains can comprehend is Jew=bad and nicene christianity=Europe. Thats literally as deep as it goes. There are a growing number of neopagan antisemites however."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnti-semitism is a reaction to Jewish behaviour. It is properly called \"Counter-semitism\"."}, {"id": 6, "content": "There are no jews today. Rabbinicalists are in many ways anti-jews, operatively speaking, despite their continued attempts at labeling themselves after the ancient sect."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews killed Jesus"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOriginal Christians were just disaffected and socially alienated Jews. It was like a mystery cult to worship Jesus. After Paul new converts were mostly gentiles eventually outnumbering the original Jews of the time of the crucifixion and the powers that be spread it to the rest of what is now defined as Europe."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Christianity was created by Jews to destroy the Roman empire and enslave the goyim."}, {"id": 10, "content": "most anti-semites are Muslim"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\ndios mio...la creatura judaica..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThe Romans were the one who crucified the rabbi Jesus retard."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nShouldn’t Christians be happy that the Jews killed Jesus? If Jesus wasn’t killed then humanity’s sins wouldn’t have been forgiven. And it seems kind of moot to discuss whether or not Jews killed Jesus as Jesus ultimately turned himself in to be sacrificed making it his own choice. He could have easily fled somewhere else with his god powers but he chose to be killed."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus had a rather rocky relationship with the Jewish community of his era (the pharisees) from the start.\n\nYou see, they were both ideologically and philosophically at odds with eachother.\nIn the Jewish perspective, Jesus was not the true messiah and interrupted many of the old traditions and long held social order. Especially with operations of the temple.\n\n\nHowever, I do believe that Jesus was God, the son of God, and the true messiah."}, {"id": 15, "content": "We're not antiSemitic; among our first missions was Thomas', to Aramaic-speaking Semites in the upper Euphrates. This is why Syriac is a major Christian language. Timothy the Great, a contemporary of Leo III, has a greater case to be proclaimed Pope of his time, as he presided over more Christians than did the Bishop of Rome.\nModern Ashkenaz Jews are barely even Semitic anymore, being, what, 10-20% Slavic and half Italian."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nlmfao"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nMatthew 26:25 - Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, “Surely you don’t mean me, Rabbi?” Jesus answered, “You have said so.”\n\nNo matter how much cope you inhale Jesus will never not be a rabbi."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>NIV\n>ignoring the jews demanding jesus' death\n>defending kikes on the internet for free"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\nThis is correct. Non-Semitic and even Semitic Christians are uninterested in theories of race, although we'll support our nations against invaders.\nThe Jewish religion makes a point of elevating the Tribe in whatever nation-state chooses to tolerate it.\nTherefore we are not aiming at the Jewish race when we oppose its religion. We are defending our religion and our culture - and our people - against Jewish racism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do I start looking at women with dignity instead of having foul thoughts?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Stop watching pr0n, duh."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstop fornicating and seek a mother for your children"}, {"id": 4, "content": "You just override or ignore those thoughts.\nInb4 it is too difficult:\nWITH JESUS' HELP IT IS POSSIBLE."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRealize that 2D is better than 3D"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop visiting sites where 90+% of users are very vocal about thinking that all women are dumb whores."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop watching porn"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nAs much as I hate to admit it, the Christcuck is right. I used to have intrusive perverted thoughts about women until I had children. Then they became the light of my life and I stopped caring about other women because any involvement with them would only sabotage my relationship with my sons and inspire them to hate me for causing their mother pain"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>7\nI don’t, but the porn moved to my mind’s eye."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Normal and expected sexual desires are literally the work of satan\nIf you weren't hyperfixated on this it wouldn't be an issue. But nooo, it's always black and white with you people. You're either a 100% pure sinless saint or a degenerate reddit atheist coomer, there is no in-between. No wonder you're psyche is fucked up."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Stop visiting sites where 90+% of users are very vocal about thinking that all women are dumb whores.\nIt's 100% true for women under 25 though. I'm 32 with female friends a few years years younger than me and even they agree zoomettes are dumb whores."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>For your children\n*hits pipe*"}, {"id": 13, "content": "start seeing the virtues of ugly women, especially ones attracted to you\nI can’t imagine being some psycho that wants to marry a pretty brat. You gotta make sacrifices."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCut your balls off."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\n>the lucky man or woman who marries her\n>or woman"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait until they stop being entitled social media addicts and disloyal hypergamous idiots."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nBut the thing is that “modest women” are just as bad for me, especially when they do their hair prettily and wear soft makeup and stuff. Just as stimulating as the e-thot who shows her ass."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAttraction != foul thoughts. It's okay to find women attractive. I don't like women much, they're the niggers of gender, but objectifying them is base behavior. Get control of your hormones sir."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>t. literally jesus"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Suck a lot of dicks, but I think you're already doing that\n\nAlso, stop using words from the 19th century, it makes you sound like a giant fag"}, {"id": 21, "content": "If it is your body getting turned on, then let the thought not enter spirituality from physicality. My brothers and sisters in Christ are siblings. Anything that is not in God's purpose, I don't pay attention."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYou mean dignity? How much of a fucking niggerbrained zoomer do you have to be to think dignity is a bad word? Fucking hell."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>reddit spacing\n>homoerotic comment\n>can’t into vocabulary\nkys"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Picture unrelated"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nSometimes the old books hold up. Another good one in English (for Cortes) is unironically this:\nhttp://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/PRESCOTT/toc.html\nFor \"Pizarro\" probably you should look into something on the whole Pizarro family, not just Francisco. I'm unaware of a good treatment of them in English."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Begome Bresbyderian! :DD"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased (on the bible)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He is evil by his own definition.\n\n>God is Love\n\n1 John 4:8\nThe one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.\n\n\n>What is Love?\n\n1 Corinthians 13:4-7\nLove is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.\n\n\n>God is Not Love\n\n>Love is kind\nPsalm 137:9 How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your infants against the cliff.\n\n>Love is not jealous\nExodus 20:5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God\n\n>Love does not brag\nIsaiah 44:7 ‘I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me. Who is like Me? Let him call out and declare it.\n\n>Love does not seek its own benefit\nIsaiah 43:7 Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.”\n\n>Love is not provoked\nDeuteronomy 9:7 Remember, do not forget how you provoked Yahweh your God to wrath in the wilderness\n\n>Love does not keep an account of wrong suffered\nRevelation 20:12 And the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.\n\n>Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness\nIsaiah 45:7 I form light and I create darkness; I make peace and I create evil; I am Yahweh; I do all these things."}, {"id": 2, "content": "How exactly do you intend to “oppose” an unstoppable force? Atheists truly are as arrogant as they are deranged. I can only hope He offers you mercy due to your stupidity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYou oppose him by not worshiping him, the one thing he desires the most."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou desert demon is not as powerful as he deceives you into believing"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI do worship Him.\n>>4\nGuess you’ll find out the hard way when you meet Him."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like you're making an argument for Marcionism"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI oppose him.\n\nYes, your god is the ultimate wicked being that tortures people for not believing in his wickedness, we know.\n\nI hate your god and I hate you and hope you die a terrible death soon. I do everything I can to turn people i into atheists and make them your enemy for when the time comes in WW3."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI already know the nature of YHWH and his catamite YESHUA. They are weak and puny compared to the MIGHT of GOTT"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nEnjoy eternal torment, satanist."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe just like me fr"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYou're going to be fucked in the last days. Atheists aren't going to turn the other cheek. They'll be coming for you and your supplies. And your prayers to be saved will go unanswered."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nYour prayers always go unanswered. You're some third worlder who's life is shit, that's why you make those gervais threads day after day.."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nLook at the christcuck disappears, even the mere mention of our Lord's great name trembles him agonizing fear..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be circumcised\n>live fine for most of your life\n>become blackpilled about circumcision\n>become crippling depressed because of it\n>be told to confront your parents and healthcare providers about it\n>lose companionship of parents and be overstepped by healthcare providers because they don't care\n>sulk in rage as an anti-circumcision spokesman\n\nWhat is the point in telling people to be (in)activists about circumcision when nothing will fix it and nothing will be stopped? Are these people retarded?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Circumcision rates are dropping in the US."}, {"id": 3, "content": "You can't change what happened to you yourself but you can try to stop it being done to the next generation. Circumcisions are ironically less popular nowadays because of all the Latinos in the US."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>become crippling depressed because of it\nfucking christ really? No one woman here in burgerland is going to care so why should you? Svetlana over in the 3rd world might but who cares what she thinks either, she'll suck a dick for 5 monopoly dollars."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShalom"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBecause 4Chan is full of people who tell you to feel bad about it and get mad when you don't. It's really funny, you'll a hundred threads talking about how bad cutting is and how everyone will tell you they pity you, but if you mention how it doesn't bother you they call you a Jew and tell you to kill yourself or keep trying to pity you.\n\nWhat I like to do is ask uncut 'chads' if they were vaccinated at birth. Unlike circumcision which can be reversed, being vaccinated is a lot worse because you can't detox your body from that. You basically are living with science juice in your body forever.\n\nIt's fun watching European ESL posters call you a kike because you pointed out how they got the mumps and measles vaccine at birth and they don't even know it because their parents never told them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBro don't take it out on your parents, they were told that it was a benefit to your health, they were lied too and are as much victims of the system as you were. Your healthcare providers give no fucks because they sell the foreskins to the cosmetic industry for a ridiculous sum and are laughing all the way to the bank.\n\nThe best thing you can do is refuse to circumsize your sons, and make sure that all the men you meet are aware that they're the victims of a horrible medical grift and should refrain from perpetuating it on their sons\n\n>t. circumsized dude with two uncircumsized sons who got hostile with the hospital staff when they pushed for circumsicion"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's stupid.\nWhat people should do when they are informed about that is to not repeat the same mistake toward their sons."}, {"id": 9, "content": "what a generation of pearl clutching faggots we have now, men used to have arms, legs, fingers and toes blown off or mauled by feral animals and they went on pretty fine. now some of you faggots get an inch of skin cut off of your pecker and it's all over? just like that? what happens when you get a papercut? you start hanging outside your terrace window planning to jump?\n\nmy tip for \"men\" who care about circumcision and other guy's dicks, wait 20 years when you turn 35 and see how many scars and broken bones and burns and wounds and blisters, boils, and stretch marks you get"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>men used to have arms, legs, fingers and toes blown off or mauled by feral animals and they went on pretty fine.\nBattle-scars that you earned yourself are one thing. Being mutilated for profit when you're a helpless baby is profoundly unfair and not every man is okay with that. But I do agree that taking it out on your parents or healthcare providers who have probably never preformed a circumsicion in their career is counter-productive, it's not like removing the foreskin prevents a man from preforming, the best thing they can do is opt out of the procedure for their sons and remind their peers that letting Shlomo mutilate your genitals for more shekels is not cool"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nCovid vaccine is not a vaccine fuck off CIA nigger. Most anti covid vaccine are not anti vaccine, that is a label cooked up by think tanks. Circumcision is mutilation imposed by jews on their slaves, it is wholly unnecessary, and there is no reason to do it to crying infants."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Battle-scars that you earned yourself are one thing\n\nNobody earns wounds, they just happen."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYou are vaxxed, you can do nothing about it. I may have a cut dick, but I have a stronger immune system then you ever will. You were crippled by vaccines, you are inferior."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI'm not anti-vaccine, I'm anti \"vaccine\". Keep using your narratives cooked up by glowniggers tho"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n2 more weeks, vaxxed niggers never fail to surpass my expectations of cope."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nscars are the result of choices that you made. Babies don't get to make that choice"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou didn't choose to smash your nose open on your steering wheel when you got rear-ended by a drunk driver while still parked in a local CVS. It happened."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nMy tip for you is to repent and hope you are saved before you get gassed."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou'd probably feel a sense of unfairness if that drunk driver got off scotch free. You'd probably be even more sore about it if he got a fat pay out for it and went on rear ending people in CVS parking lots."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNo because I don't stay up to date on the drunk driver who rear ended me and his life. I must go to work, lift and survive."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nMy tip for you is dry (haha)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nWhat a cuck faggot, lets others abuse him and slinks back to his 9 to 5 without resolution"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nWay to be a passive permavictim with no sense of justice"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>>23\n\nYou're saying this like I didn't try to get him to pay. Do you constantly stress and sulk in rage over some guy hitting you? No, you deal with it and move on."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYou definitely vote Democrat"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYou definitely vote."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIt's like you you've internalized the cuck lifestyle at every level"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nHow?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\nDistress is common in amputees."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nLet's see\n>too passive to care that some Jew sliced a piece of your body off without permission and sold it for profit\n>too passive to care that some dude busted your nose open and walked away without facing punishment\n>too passive to participate in civic society\nIf you came home to Tyrone plowing your wife, would you just shrug and go back to work?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWho said the guy walked away?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nyou implied it when you said\n\n>You're saying this like I didn't try to get him to pay."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nRight but who said the guy walked away? Who said I was passive to the whole thing?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nYour posturing has been passive for this entire conversation. Either spill the beans what justice that guy recieved for injuring you or STFU and go be wishy washy somewhere else"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThe guy died in the crash."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nthen it's not even close to a proper analogy you fucking retard. That guy obviously paid far for his fuck up and an accident is something entirely different from not giving a shit about having a piece of your body stolen from you and sold for profit"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nwhat happens if i told you, i made it up as an example and just been improving this whole time. thats right anon,\n\nno cvs\n\nno drunk driver\n\nno car accident\n\njust someone on the internet giving you an example that you were too stupid to question as one"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>I-I-I was only pretending to be retarded!\nsure thing, cuck"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n\nI just cucked you, I fucked your time in the mouth. What are you gonna do? Tell me I'm wrong?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\ndabbing on you for being a cryptocuck trying to shill a dumbass point about the merits of being a passive bitch has been a source of fine entertainment for me this evening. Really just reconfirms to me how many people in this world are livestock who deserves their yoke"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">be circumcised\n>live fine for most of your life\n>become blackpilled about circumcision"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Xiongnu Empire black"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're Turkic"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\ndid they speak turkish?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is it so prevalent in history?\nWhy have Christians seemingly always been a target of persecution?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe face the might of GOTT's wrath"}, {"id": 3, "content": "John 15:18 \"If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAre Jews really the chosen race then?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey were chosen, but faltered many times, and eventually outright turned against God incarnated in the flesh, Jesus. Now only through Christ can they be redeemed, just like everyone else."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Why have Christians seemingly always been a target of persecution?\nBecause they stick their noses where it's none of their business. Like when in the early centuries when they would go around telling aristocrats / rich dude's wives to not have sex with their husbands and shit like that. Or saying to rome\n>nope, you're not my ruler lol my king is in heaven and-\n>ACKKKK WHY ARE YOU MURDERING ME AGHHHH IT'S BECAUSE I'M A CHRISTIAN RIGHT????? IT'S BECAUSE OF MY BELIEFS EVEN THOUGH YOU COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT THEM"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it is the truth."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is it so prevalent in history?\nDidn't happen."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>telling aristocrats / rich dude's wives to not have sex with their husbands\nIt was real in your mind"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Spain during the civil war\n>the Soviet Union\n>Mao China\n>the levant and Anatolia under Muslim rule\n\nI can keep going"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they invariably end up as a 5th column that subverts traditional cultures and hijacks the state to shove their regressive political agendas down people's throat"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHere's your traditional culture bro, surely it shouldn't be subverted"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>gay sex invalidates the Greco-Roman world\n>there has literally never been a single case sexual immorality in the entire length of Christendom"}, {"id": 14, "content": "The short time they've become a presence on 4chan has been terminal cancer."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Christians have been very fanatical and obnoxious about their cult since the 1st century. It just became more normalized since it has been the dominant religion in the West for so long."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI can only imagine how much of a pest they were in the ancient world. They should've actually target them specifically for extermination like Christians fantasized and still do fantasize about."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThey were a decadent, woke, semitic doomsday cult and symptomatic of the collapse of Roman civilization."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause of who wants to control or rule them. See China, Ukraine, and now Canada and the EU."}, {"id": 19, "content": "This is prophesied (present tense).\n>Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.\nEven where God is, this is the case. God's purpose has to be fulfilled. Like how innovators that are ahead are attacked, the next move of God, the next revelation of who God is will not be liked by the current order. The children of God also reveal God if society disagrees what God is doing, let conflict bring speed."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "... instead of democrats or aristocrats, who made full use of meritocracy (for that time) and commoners' innovative quality and quantity during the Ancient Greek/Rome period?\n\nFigures like Dionysius, Alexander, Caesar, and so on."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Alexander was a literal king, only butthurt philosophers were going around calling him a tyrant for conquering their soon to be irrelevant city"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause as the Ancient Chinese experience shows, meritocracy is the best way to BTFO the power of the nobility. How could you centralize power in your dynasty and defang the nobility? By making commoners like you over their lords, and using them to check the power of the nobility. So you invite them in top ranks, create a bureaucracy of common appointees, allow them in the warrior classes etc. Etc"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAlexander went crazy and declared himself a god by the time he stopped in Persepolis, so it’s not just a claim from butthurt"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So it turns out I might be related to Giles Corey who was one of the accused during the trials and I was /his/ if there’s any secrets to this event in history like let’s say there was an actual witch that was around at that time. I’m only starting to look into it as it may involve a relative."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The witches deserved it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nTheir descendants, too."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhile true for most witches I just a want to know if there’s any actual evidence for there being one here. As from what I studied it was more a result everything resulting in a mass panic."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n\nIt was just people using hysteria to get rid of people they hate. But there were real witches in history."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nCan you give me some example please. I’m just trying to learn some stuff."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>retarded opinion\n>le handsome man\nWe did it, reddit!"}, {"id": 8, "content": "A fellow son of the puritan migration"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nDude. There’s no such things as witches. At worst is was mentally unstable women who thought they had magic powers and used curses and hexes that actually sis nothing."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Dude. There’s no such things as witches.\nGet a load of this guy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmore like gaylem bitch trials"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Anyone have any speculations as to why the Salem witch trials have been immortalized to the degree that they have? I've been reading through Religion and the Decline of Magic and to me it seems that the late date of the trials would have a lot to do with it for a pretty particular reason\nThe book details beliefs in magic in England from roughly 1450ish to 1700ish. The Protestant and then Puritan position seems to be heavily divided. Some Puritans saw magic absolutely real but evidence of Popish, heathen or Satanic corruption. Others saw it as essentially superstitious humbug—misleading and damning sure—but not actually efficacious. Towards the end of the period, the disbeliever opinion won. I would say that by 1692 (even though Massachusetts was a culturally lagging backwater?) most educated people \"should have\" not actually believed that witches had any real power. Could this have lead the future extremely liberal and secular Massachusetts people to see their late persecution of witches as \"backwards\" or \"against the tide of history\" and embarrassing insofar as it was indicative of a belief in actual magic, a belief that persisted the longest in the rural poor?\nI mean the Salem witch trials were nothing in terms of numbers. Tens of thousands burned in Germany etc., but that was 60ish years earlier. To me it seems like Puritan-descended types would come to see The Accuser (yes, that one) in their own actions, and critically *in Christianity itself*. Belief in Christianity had caused the social mania, and Satan the Accuser won in Salem in those years by getting a bunch of crackpots (they couldn't have been witches since magic is fake) hanged. I just have a difficult time reconciling the apparent image of the austere Puritan with the Massachusetts' future of extreme social liberalism so I made something up to explain it maybe it's too speculative or crazy albeit"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nSome girls heard some \"scary\" stories about witchcraft from their slave woman and then they were \"possessed\" by Ebill spirits so they withered and jerked, and went into fits, so the good pure, innocent, and pious Puritans had so much Faith in their Omni-God's ability to protect them from the Bad witches that they immediately brought in the government and the courts to root out the Bad Ol' Deb'bil for them. Naturally, the expert witch-hunter Rev. Cotton Mather got involved, and laws were hastily rewritten to more efficiently discover the Ebill doers. They invented \"spectral evidence\" to convict these victims. If convicted the \"witch's\" property was divided between the accuser and the church. One man was pressed to death because he wouldn't confess under torture, and the women were hanged. It was a shining and truly exemplary example of Christian Faith! ;~P"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nCome out, you cuckold traitor!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nMeditate in a reclined position for several hours with your eyes closed focusing on the colour violet and tell me there's no witches."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the symbol for Christianity a literal execution tool? Isn't that kinda weird? That would be like turning an electric chair or a guillotine into a holy symbol."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the cross represents Jesus’ conquest over death"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCrosses aren't used anymore for crucifixion, so it's not entirely the same as the guillotine or electric chair. It is the symbol of Christianity because it reminds us of Christ's sacrifice for us."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause the church wants to guilt trip you into believing that you are inherently evil and the only salvation is the one who put this idea of you being evil into your head at the first place. If it were up to me i would choose the dove as the symbol of christianity, the resurrection is the victory of christ not the cross, the cross is his defeat, a most ugly thing."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Because slaves, the poor, the sick and the lowest of the low could then transform a symbol of imperialist power and wretched death and torture into one of 'everlasting' life and h(c)ope."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nBut why chose that to represent your entire religion? Muslims use a symbol that has origins in Egyptian hieroglyphics and Jews use the Star of David, which was the signature of King Solomon"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not even Christian but holy shit are you autists legitimately so thick that you cannot figure this out on your own?\nIt represents Jesus sacrificing himself for his believers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt isn't. The cross is a pagan symbol retrofitted as a one."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe idea of 2 billion Christians wearing a torture device on their necks is pretty hilarious to me"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe New Testament is an astrological parable"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nBecause it was proof that a literal tool made to torture and kill people, which at the time was considered the worst execution method imaginable, had no power over them.\nAlso Christianity had other insignias : the Ichtys (\"Fish\" in koine), acronym of \"Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr\" (\"Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior\") and the famous Chi-Rho (the first two greek letters for Christ) of Roman late imperial usage. As Christianity became popular beyond Greco-Latin spheres of influence, crucifixes and crosses became a more universal method of announcing faith."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\n\nThe cross is the symbol of Christianity because it is the death of Christ that allows us to have reconciliation with God. (Romans 5:10) The cross is also a perfect picture of the humility that Christ perfectly encapsulated, which is the clearest picture of what God wants his followers to do. The Most Holy God became human, and was born to poor family, and ended up dying the most humiliating death in the ancient world. As Christians, we are called to humble ourselves and to serve others, and in the cross we see how Christ humbled himself that we may be able to be reconciled to God."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nI don't think it became the symbol of Christianity until Constantine's mother went to Jerusalem and supposedly found the actual cross on which Jesus was crucified. Christians before then used the Chi Rho or the Ichthus."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is the symbol for Christianity a literal execution tool\nIt symbolizes the ultimate sacrifice: giving away your body.\nEvery christian must carry his own crosses. There is no salvation without sacrifice.\n\n>>7\n>sacrificing himself for his believers\nNot for His believers, but for all sinners.\n\n>>13\nThis is true as well."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nAs St.Paul said, the resurrection is the one single thing Christianity is based upon. Hence, the Cross"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. (John 3:14-15)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nWhat if they use crossbow as religion conquest?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>There is no salvation without sacrifice.\nThere is no sacrifice if you get ressurrected, dumb Christcuck. It's like repaying the debt and then getting your debt back."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nWhat book?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "You’re hardly the first person to make that observation, OP. Many East Asians found the imagery of the cross grisly, terrifying, and uncompelling. Even having had the meaning behind it explained fully to them, it nevertheless seemed quite grim.\n\nIt’s probably the main reason Christianity as a whole still has sort of an edgy, occult vibe to many Japanese, Chinese and Koreans even today."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThe Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P Hall"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>It’s probably the main reason Christianity as a whole still has sort of an edgy, occult vibe to many Japanese, Chinese and Koreans even today.\nChristianity has an edgy, occult vibe, period. It just insists it doesn't. That's the crux of its appeal."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Christianity has an edgy, occult vibe, period.\nExplain satanism then."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSatanism is still Christianity since all Satanists choose to follow the Christian version of Satan."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nPretty sure Satanism is atheistic, anon.\n>Satanism is still Christianity since all Satanists choose to follow the Christian version of Satan.\nNot true, if they follow anything at all, they follow the Paradise Lost version of Satan as a tragic hero and a cosmic rebel."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>>23\n99% of Satanists are just edgy Pagans who \"secretly\" view the Satan they worship as the amalgamation of all the Gods and Goddesses the institution of the Church destroyed. Michael Aquino, claimed by /pol/ to be a Satan worshipper, was actually a follower of the Egyptian God Set. Of course, most Christians will never take the time to actually study Satanism whereas most Satanists have studied Christianity at some point - hence their objection to their ancestors faiths being wiped out by it.\n\nOther Satanists are actually followers of Saturn. Saturn =/= the Christian conception of Satan.\n\nThe very very slim minority of Satanists that worship the Christian Devil are edgy teens who love metal music"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt throwed the Romans' crimes back in their faces. A constant reminder of what they did. It actually was an effective propaganda tool, turning an instrument of torture and fear into a symbol of insurrection, hope and salvation."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>Not true, they follow Christian fanfiction written by a Christian for other Christians"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nThey just make the (correct) observation that Satan isn't actually the ruler of Hell, but rather its first inhabitant, and they also make the (correct) observation that since atheists go to hell, and since everyone is born an atheist, or at the very least the majority of people are born non-Christian, that Hell is actually the default state, and God may actually just be a mallicious entity, and this makes christcucks seethe."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nNobody claimed that satanists were smart, anon.\n>>29\n>that Hell is actually the default state\nAnd this is......good? You people are weird...."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>The Serpent was punished for leading man to knowledge of himself.\nThis theme is recurrent in mythology because rulers don't want their subjects to question their decisions, especially their morality (knowledge of good & evil). There's a reason the Old Testament became so popular in the first place, it's a useful tool for the ruling caste."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause christcucks are masochists. Who the fuck believes in \"turn the other cheek\" but faggots who can't fight back ?\nSomeone hit you you knock him out inconscious."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_violence"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nTo be fair, early Christians believed the end of the world was imminent.\n\nMatthew 24:34\n>Verily I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things shall be fulfilled.\n\n>inb4 it's describing the future\nMatthew 16:28\n>Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nChirsitianity was originally a doomsday cult. It formed during the final years of the Roman Empire and appealed to the doom and gloom attitude of the average Roman in its final days."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\nNo one is guilt tripping you with the truth.\nWould you truly tell me you, or anyone you know, could spend a whole day without a single sin? Not one foul thought or selfish impulse? Could you last a week?\nI could not, and I don't believe anyone can. Mankind is a sinful species."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Good point. Boys, let's start using the pelican more."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>18\nThere still was extreme suffering and bearing the weight of the worlds sins even if he did come back"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristians wear the crucifix to tell everyone that they are \"crucified with Christ\" who died for their sins on the cross."}, {"id": 40, "content": "Jesus carrying the cross means he is carrying the sins that God the Father cannot come after me. Jesus said It is finished on the cross so it reminds me of his victory over death for me. Also, whatever you throw at me becomes a stepping stone type vibes, whatever bad you send, I turn it good and keep elevating. It is called… hear this now… Are you ready? Here we go… Sanctification. Ah! That's good!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "During the Crimean war, the British managed to get their troops from Britain to the front line faster than the Russians could march their own from Moscow. FYI, the was only one railway line in all of Russia at the time, which connected Moscow to St Petersburg, meaning, most soldiers would have to march by foot to Crimea. Meanwhile, British engineers build a railway in Crimea to move artillery pieces. For all intents and purposes, Russian military logistics have always been a dumpster fire, with the exception of WW2, then they had a fleet of half of million American lend lease trucks."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">boats are faster than land\ndamn..."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia is such a dystopia I pity them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\npropeller screw steamboats to be exact"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeren't mutts and rushits Buddy buddy at this point? Then again, both are shitholes without rail infrastructure so makes sense why Rushitia lost"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAmerica unironically has powerful rail infrastructure. It is all just for commercial instead of public transit."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHow many industrial disasters has that powerful rail infrastructure caused last week?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Anon finds out that traveling on land used to be much slower than travelling on sea"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>8\nStill baffling that it was so much quicker to sail across the atlantic coast and through the med than just taking a train from moscow to crimea"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://youtu.be/wP_j_bBcqCQ [Embed]\n\nJesus didn't exist but as a fictional character he's a jew who came for the jews.\n\nSo the story of christianity is that the jew god raped a jewess so she'd give birth to a magic jew so the jew god could sacrifice to the magic jew to save the jews from being jewed by the jew god."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yeah.\nWho would've thought that a jew born among jews, that preached to jews about jewish ideas was... only coming to \"save\" the jews."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Jesus came for the entire world, knowing in advance that the jews would reject him, for it was written:\n>\"The stone which the builders rejected, This became the chief corner stone\"."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nClaiming to be God is blasphemy even by contemporary standards and doing so would get you kicked out of any church / synagogue in the world. Saying \"he knew in advance they would reject him\" doesn't make him some kind of Nostradamus. He'd have to be pretty fucking retarded not to guess at that."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread a book zoomer"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jesus came only for the Jews.\n>muhammad for all mankind\nWith each passing day, Islam is being proven correct time and time again."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Jesus came for the entire world\nyet he was a jew with jew followers who only preached to jews and told his jew followers to ignore gentiles and the early christian cult was only open to jews."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nPretty sure that historian in the video who says jesus was a jew who came for the jews has read a book."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nof course it was. It was only Paul that tolerated gentiles. Peter and the rest of the early Christians viewed christianity as thing only for jews."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nnot if he hasn't read the new testament."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jesus didn't exist but as a fictional character he's a jew who came for the jews.\nYes, but then he took the promise from them and gave it to his gentile followers. Tho jews could convert too. The Bible is the story of the fall of the jews, when they had it all. God's own chosen people. Turned to the synagogue of satan. Much like the fall of Lucifer."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>It was only Paul that tolerated gentiles.\nPic related is Jesus speaking. He said the jews were now destin for hell, but his gentile followers would sit next to him and Abraham in paradise."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nshe clearly did, unlike most christians."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is a Jew?\n\n>If then, the uncircumcised keep the justices of the law, shall not this uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not that which by nature is uncircumcision, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision art a transgressor of the law? For it is not he is a Jew, who is so outwardly: nor is that circumcision which is outwardly in the flesh. But he is a Jew that is one inwardly and the circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter: whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:26-29)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>\"I came only for the lost sheep of Israel\"\nyeah but...he meant everyone in the world..."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nHe never said directly that he was God, but the Son of.\nJesus is God for us, but he also said that the Father was his God, and greater than Him.\nAlso He clearly didn't care, nobody would touch Him until the time came."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\n>and told his jew followers to ignore gentiles\nwhat? where is that in the Gospels?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nJohn 10:30\n>I and the Father are one\n\nGranted the Bible does contradict this point quite a bit."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nWho is this parable about, zoomer?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly 144,000 will be saved. All Jews, male, virgins.\nRev 7:4"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Wait, is this retard who has been spamming the \"jesus is a jewish psyop\" nonsense for the last year just another illiterate zoomer? Let me give me you a protip before you take further advice from liberals: don't cut off your dick."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\nYes, he came for them. They rejected him. He gave the promise to the gentile followers then."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>I came only for the lost sheep of Israel.\nSo by \"only\" he meant everyone in the world?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>>21\ncan you at least read a few paragraphs?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>Matt 10:5-6 \"Do not go among the gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel\"\n\nShould we really be surprised that a Jew cult that accepted only Jews invented a founder who came only for the Jews?"}, {"id": 26, "content": "What is the parable of the wedding feast.\n\nOP is a 'tardo."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnce upon a time, there was an obscure, and mostly forgotten, Rabbi who said that the millennials-old custom and practice of allowing the privileged Rich Nobles and their Establishment(s), their governments, their priests, and their prophets to define, monopolize and rule over all religious practice for their own purposes and benefits, and not for the benefits and needs of the common people, should be greatly challenged.\nThe Early Church was Hetrodox, not Orthodox, and they were a counterculture, a parallel society that professed that commoners - not the rich, the privileged, or the nobles, should run their religion. It was the only religion that allowed ordinary people to be clergy and leaders in their own communities.\nRome was a Patriarchal society, and its state religion (the Roman Pantheon) was solely and exclusively for the Nobles. The Cults (sects) of Isis, Mithras, Cybele, Hekate, etc. for ordinary people were run and controlled by rich Patrones as burial societies because an ordinary citizen couldn't afford to be buried. Rome liked OLD things, not necessarily true things, which is why even the odd and obnoxious Jews were included as legitimate religions. Christianity was NEW after its break from Judaism, they looked like the government they were, and that made Rome nervous. The Gnostic Gospels (Nag Hammadi) and the Apocrypha are the Gospels and religious texts that the Orthodox Christians rejected at the 1st Council of Nicea, along with the people who used them which destroyed Early Christianity and gave total control of religion back to the Rich and powerful Nobles, and there were no more discussions about spirituality. Emperor Constantine and his \"christian\" successors were not the \"friends' of Christianity! It took 1,400 years to reverse the damage that the Council of Nicea created, and that was done in the US. Meanwhile, the governments of various nations are trying to regain absolute control of religion again, They firmly must be told NO WAY!"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>18\nHe also says he wish for us all to be one like he is one with the Father. This doesn't mean a trillioninity, or he wants us to become each other. He's talking about solidarity with each other and the Father."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n“He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him” (John 1:11)"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\ngentiles hate this idea, but you are correct that Jesus came for the Jews originally. however, they also killed him and lost their blessing because of that. the bible says that gentiles are grafted into the olive tree. gentiles should not be proud, but be humble and grateful for this mercy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nPretty much this. And of course, God already knew that was going to happen. So the story of the jews rejecting Jesus and thus God is a big part of the warning to the rest of us. It's not a coincidence that they became the main enemy of mankind. God knew it would happen. That's why they are highlighted."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\njust remember that they remain God's chosen people, even with how evil they are. i think that they turned out this way because Lucifer wants to destroy anything related to God"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>just remember that they remain God's chosen people, even with how evil they are. i think that they turned out this way because Lucifer wants to destroy anything related to God\nThat's simply not true. In Matthew 21, Jesus took that status from them and gave it to a \"people worthy of its fruit\".\n>Mat 21:43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Whats important to note is the homosexual / atheist who posted this thread today will post it again in a week regardless of whats written here. It literally doesn't matter to him what the content of the gospels are to him; the only issue is defaming Christianity."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nWell that's true."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nGenesis 17:7\n>And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.\nthe kingdom of God does not necessarily refer to \"chosen people\", but it means whether you are saved and part of God's people. Jews remain His chosen people, but that does not mean that they are saved. although, the third temple is on the way so Jews might have a small revival"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>unknown\ni'm not sure. God kept the covenant of bringing Jews to their promised land, even though they rejected God many times. i personally believe they remain God's chosen people because God does not change, but the bottom line is that their blessings were taken away regardless. something interesting to consider is that the mosaic law says you can only sacrifice at the place where God is living (which have been the tabernacle and the temples). currently he lives in us, but i think he will move back into the temple when it is rebuilt. that would mean that he still cares about Jews, no matter what they think about Him"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahweh was a Jewish god\nJesus was a Jew\nMary was a Jew\n\nTradcath zoomers are low IQ retards."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nIt's true God's character doesn't change, but we also don't know if, since he knew from the beginning, the point of highlighting the jews so much was to forewarn the world. It seems killing Christ was the jew's legal rejection of the covenant. Wheras before, they had just strayed multiple times.\n\nEither way, I don't see this as that important of an issue. Not salvation based. Just kind of a theological trivia at this point. Maybe you're right, and I'm wrong."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Jews\" in this context means White People."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nXD retard"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nwe wuz juden"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nNope, you are the retard.\nGod isn't Jewish.\nChrist's father genetics are from his divine side.\n\nAccording tho the Pharisees themselves, Christ was accused of being a Samaritan, so therefore Mary was one too and not a proper Jew from the Pharisee point of view."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>7\nJesus' place of assignment was Israel like how Joseph's is Egypt and Paul Rome. If God be confined to Jewishness, he is not God. This ethnic stuff. Uh uh."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nThat's not how Jews viewed inheritance."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>5\nI prefer the KJV:\n\n33Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:\n\n34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.\n\n35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.\n\n36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.\n\n37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.\n\n38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.\n\n39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.\n\n40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?\n\n41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.\n\n42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?\n\n43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.\n\n44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.\n\n45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.\n\n46But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>6\nSoon, anon..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Adolf Hitler become a Nazi?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Jews"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Germany was tearing itself apart during the Weimar Republic and the Nazi Party was the only party capable of getting the Nationalists and Socialists to stop infighting for more than 5 fucking seconds. As soon as he seized power he had all the socialists killed for being revolutionaries. It was just a means to an end for him. Nothing more"}, {"id": 4, "content": "probably figured it'd be a good career path for him"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was edgy and unloved"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was hired by the Weimar government to investigate suspected marxist parties.\nHe went to investigate the NSDAP and actually agreed with the party’s political views.\n\nThe party values he liked\n>pan-Germanic nationalism and unification of Germanic land/people into a single state\n>undoing the conditions of the treaty of Versailles that Germany was made to sign at the end of WW1\n>preventing the spread of communism from taking hold of Germany and Europe"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurely socioeconomic reasons."}, {"id": 8, "content": "1. Most veterans were not happy about how things were after everything they had been through.\n\n2. Hard times like economic depression and social unrest makes people generally turn to extremeist ideology\n\n3. Path of career. Most veterans found little purpose in the civilian life. Hitler had no education and no real proffession\n\n4. There was a general belief that jews were responsibile for the current misery\n\n5. Hitler was driven by pan-germanism and believed in the greatness of the German people, and found passion in improving the standing of Germany. Hitler was generally driven by the love for those and that he care about, and the hatred for those and that which he considered harmful.\n\n6. There was a sense of Germany being under attack by communists and slavs. Polish encroachment in the east, and communists (sometimes successful) takeover within.\n\n\nI'll let someone else fill in the rest."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he was a socialist."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nThis is a solid answer"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a Catholic agent sent to purify Germany of heretics"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nCurrency inflation with bank closed and high unemployment rate…. geez."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If there is nothing after death, why bother with all this? What's the point? It's just prolonging suffering before the inevitable at that point. Why not just end it all?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because I enjoy life, you miserable faggot."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is a reason why every culture on earth has some form of a religion and a belief in the supernatural. Atheism is not a viable belief. It leads only to anxiety."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfind a way to live a life that doesnt suck"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe inevitability of an oblivious death doesn't bother you? It certainly bothers me, not just my own death but everyone I know, every human who will ever live. I have strange moments where I realise that one day my house will be rubble, that any book I read or song I hear will be forgotten. There isn't anything I can do about it, our days are numbered."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nMy life is good, that's why the inevitable death of everything bothers me"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nif your life is good then why do you need a reason to sustain it ? just enjoy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nJust stop caring. You won't be around to see your house disappear or people forget about you or anything else, or the sun exploding or anything. Death is absolute relief from everything."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nwhy watch a movie or listen to a song since itll just end? why eat anything if youll just be hungry later?\n\nstop being 14"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does Hummler have the rank of private on his shoulder here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Retarded question from OP, but what actually is that V symbol on German uniforms during the second word war?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_Chevron_for_the_Old_Guard"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThanks for the rare Hitler"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think that's Hitler's brother-in-law standing behind him, visible between Henry and Adolf..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So is the notion that orthodox artists abstained from naturalistic art due to religious/symbolic reasons true or were they just not competent enough?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Cope because they couldn't make better art yeah."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nRussian academic icons also exist Byzantine is not the only style"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThen why don't they only reproduce those ones? The academic icons look way better and more beautiful. Why redraw the same shitty 10 year old scribbles for centuries?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the Mongols have any kind of philosophy or ideology beyond \"me take your stuff?\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey followed Tibetan Buddhism and Confucianism mostly."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I`ve heard in some nationalist turkish circles that if the ottomans converted to christianity early on, they would be much more capable at integrating themselves to western civilization, and thus would be much stronger in the long term than it was historically.\nis this true?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "maybe if they converted to catholicism, otherwise they'd just be wopentines 2.0"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nEven orthodox countries were more advanced than muslim countries though, and by the year 1900 russia was already more advanced than all of southern europe"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBut that is exactly the point. The Turks would have just become the emperors of a revived Roman Empire instead of being viewed as this existential threat. They'd be in a similar situation as Russia would have been in."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>turkish nationalist\n>fantasizes about turks converting to christcuckery\n\nyou have been talking to map painter gamers in discord faggot, not turkish nationalists. for a answer to your question stop wasting your time thinking about alternate history."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>What is Russia?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>>6\nah yes, russia, a country famously integrated with western civilization of course. just like the byzantines."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>by the year 1900 russia was already more advanced than all of southern europe\nYou are delusional."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThey get to be part of it while being apart from it. Best of both worlds in some ways, while worst of both worlds in other ways."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nThere are even Greeks who have similar ideas.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenoturkism"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\na feudal shithole that couldnt stop the advance of communism because its governance was literal \"unga bunga serfdom gud\" tier?\n>>1 (OP)\nTurks would be enemies with Russia in any possible scenario so would end up being friends with Britain or France, either way it is a good possibility that if Turks were Christian they would be westernised just like Greece."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>serbians\n>romanians\n>georgians\n>circassians\n\nall of those \"more advanced\" orthodox states except rus\" were conquered by either safavid qizilbash turkomans in caucasus or ottomans in balkans imagine saying orthodox jobbers were more advanced than gunpowder empires in their golden age"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nmeds"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>that if the ottomans converted to christianity early on\nthat makes no sense. The ottomans have themselves to blame for their decline not islam. Besides it's not even like they even followed islam particularly well. Seems like turks want to blame everyone and everything but themselves"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nthe point you're attacking is not the point OP made"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>The ottomans have themselves to blame\ncertainly, but OP is asking a \"what if\" question."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nyou are not a türk."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nSen Arap dölüsün :D"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nMy point is relevant though. Byzantium and the Balkans were Christian as well . So was Russia. People should really stop treating history like it's a paradox game and that switching factions will magically make you stronger. Well nobody expects intelligence from turks"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\ndisclaimer, OP is a tradcath le based orthodogz discord tranny that also happens to be turkish and fantasizes about turks becoming christian so his based orthodox friends accept him... ahahahah avel."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>. People should really stop treating history like it's a paradox game and that switching factions will magically make you stronger\nbased take"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nyeah that was my point too"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nmüslüman olduğumu nereden çıkardın koç şrödinger müslümü falan yazmıştın silmişsin ahahahah azıcık adamsan bu tiradı silersin bizleri rezil etmezsin."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nislama inanmam için tek bir sebep söyle :D\nshitteistler bile daha iyi argüman üretiyor mustardlardan\nbir de avel diyor ona buna, çıldırcam\nbu arad ahyır, ben OP değilim. OP'nin de kim olduğunu bilmiyorum\n>inb4 ban for speaking Turkish"}, {"id": 25, "content": "The same applies to arabs and other muslims as well not just Turks. During the peak of European power in the 19th century Islam was on the back burner compared to European ideas and role playing. It wasn't until the later 20th century when Islam came back as the Middle East failed in all of its endeavors. There is honestly no one I look down on more than MENA people. They're arrogant and have no self awareness. It wasn't Islam holding them back it was themselves. Even when you go back to the medieval era when the islamic powers were strong most contributions came from european muslims in Spain and no one in MENA. The people there just suck."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nBen OP değilim geirzekalı seni.\n>şirüdingır filan yazmışın\n\"islamı savunmaayn Türk milliyetçisi olağmaz\" kafasında MHP triplerine girersen derim tabi ulan Katarlı yalayıcısı seni. Modern muhafazakar görüşe tutunmayı milliyetçilik sananların kopyasısın nihai olarak.\nDinin ne o zaman?"}, {"id": 27, "content": "The wars of the past 300 years haven't been religiously motivated. They'd get hit with communism harder and maybe wouldn't have joined NATO, that's about it."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nBased. This was an obvious observation as MENA was completely eclipsed by Greece in antiquity and was buckbroken by Greeks until the arabs got lucky."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\ninterneti azalt, beynin yanmış aslanım düpedüz avelliğini yüzüne vuran herkes tayyipçi ya da islamcı değil şimdi tez hristiyan discorduna dön esenlikler :DDD"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>early on\nThe Ottomans were a very tiny state at first. They would have no chance being a Christian polity surrounded by Muslim beyliks."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>hristiyan discorduna dön\ndiscord kullanmıyom ulan\n>düpedüz avelliğini yüzüne vuran herkes tayyipçi ya da islamcı değil\nhiçbir sorumu yanıtlayamadın ya ona gülüyorum, ne siyasi görüşün belli ne dinin. Senin benden aşağı kalır yanın yok."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nThey're incredibly arrogant. Their only source of justification for their religion is whatever awesome conquests they've did in the past, the strong states, and so on. It's been a constant thing since the beginning of Islam. The fall of the caliphate really buck broke them to the point that they've been coping endlessly since then through whatever means available (playing as victims of Western colonialism, funding subversive organizations in the West, etc.). Once they gain enough power though (in a neighborhood, country, etc.), they would quickly go back to their previous mentality."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nseni kaale almak için bir neden göremiyorum, genel olarak tavrın ve hareketlerinden pek akıllı olmadığın apaçık siyasi görüşüm ve dinim seni ilgilendirmez ki zaten bunları benim sana söylememe gerek kalmadan bana anında islamcı tayyipçi mhpli katar sevici muhafazakar gibi yaftalarda bulundun."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>5\nturkish nationalists despise islam because it puts them closer to arabs who they think are inferior to them"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>islamcı tayyipçi mhpli katar sevici muhafazakar gibi yaftalarda bulundun.\nçünkü onların kullandığı \"şeyler ile argümanı başalttın da o yüzden, OP'nin karşılaştığı kişiye \"he is not a Turkish nationalist\" dedin sırf Müslüman değil diye.\nSenin benden aşağı kalır yanın olmadığını anla artık, sen de bayağı bayağı losersın."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>12\n>Circassians\nCircassians were barely christian and even less feudal. most of them were pagans up till the russian conquests.\n>Serbians\n>Romanians\n>Georgians\nall of these were small nations that were in constant state of war for survival. absolutely nothing in common with russia or the ottomans who fought for conquest. despite that, stuff like the printing press and literacy was still introduced and was higher there than it was in the ottoman empire."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\nthe smaller a nation, the easier the conversion"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe question can be answered easily by looking at middle eastern christians vs middle eastern muslims. despite being genetically very close, the christians outperform muslims in all aspects of life even under great oppression. Lebanese muslims are literal scum of the earth while the christians are like southern europeans of 1900`s. my great grandfather is a brazillian lebanese christian and he basically told me that once christians lose all power in lebanon it will turn into another syria"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\nAsian Latin Empire 2.0?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>my great grandfather is a brazillian lebanese christian"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>10\nkek - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantinism"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\nThey sound based to me."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nThey were the only thing keeping Turkey from being a durka durka Islamist shithole, but they had to resort to constant military coups to do it. Now that military coups are not aceptable, the natural tendencies of the Turkish Muslims win out and they picked Erdogan. So all the other Turks are coping like crazy, thus this thread."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\nYeah, but they'd get swallowed by another beylik."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nErdogan's party isn't really durka durka types. They're basically the Islamic equivalent of Christian conservatives in Western countries, who for some reason believe both Islam and some tenets of modern political liberalism."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n... right. That's why he's been in power for like 20 years now."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWasn’t Islam inherent to the ottomans though? This is like saying “if the ottomans were completely different they would’ve been good today” which is a bit funny"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nits actually crazy how a relatively small number of these turkish ultra-nationalists pretty much forcefully dragged the cattle islamist majority of turkey away from shariah goatfuckery and into civilization but they still keep crawling towards arabs. ataturk is such an extraordinary exception in turkey that I believe no person like him will ever be born again in this shithole. the fact that he did something like this a fucking century ago is nothing short of mind boggling, but its all for naught since he just delayed the inevitable for 120 or maybe 150 years. turkey is doomed"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nKind of, but not in the way you'd think. If they converted they'd most likely be slowly Hellenized like the Karamanlides, or at least speak both Turkish and Greek (or a creole from both). The Ottomans and other beyliks were proud of their Turkish culture and heritage, and viewed them as strong versus the weak and decadent Greeks/Romans/Orthodox culture."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nHellenized? no, christianization, especially of the orthodox kind does not imply cultural assimilation. If the Ottomans converted, they would likely establish their own church with their own traditions(some borrowed from the greeks probably, like the alphabet) but still an ethnic church"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nOkay, but why would they be Orthodox? Anything Roman/Orthodox-related was seen as weak and their people needed to be ruled by proper Muslims. That's the common mindset of all those post-Rumian (the sultanate) polities."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tolerance isn't a virtue, it's the lack of virtue."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nForgiveness is a virtue. Tolerance is a vice."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlenty of time civilizations die from murder, unless he means that civilizations become weak aka suicide and then get murdered."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSatan is the paragon of tolerance for he tolerates every last evil."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*Freedom isn't a virtue, it's a lack of virtue."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nFreedom allows one to create good,the abuse of that freedom creates evil.\n>NNNOOOO WE NEED A COMMUNIST TOTALITARI-\nKilling communists is an objective good."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Killing communists is an objective good.\nGood, because I'm not one of those eleutheromaniacs."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIt's been three years dude, nobody's ever going to use that term for anything."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">le paradoxical quotations"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Okay then, good luck running a society without tolerance.\n\nBy the way, the only ones who ever complain about tolerance are seething incels who never run anything in society"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIt's a 200-year-old word. People were using it before you or I was born."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNo, and you will never be a real woman."}, {"id": 14, "content": "deep..."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>No\nYes. Google Ngram it if you don't believe me.\n>you will never be a real woman\nGood. I'm not even a fake woman.\n>pic\nNo, I'm not an eleutheromaniac."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nseethe"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>eleutheromaniac\n\nThe fuck is this autistic fag shit?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThe definition is readily available to look up, with minimal effort on your part."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nWhy you trying to say that word, you a FAG?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nAccidentally reply to yourself there?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nNo, it's because only autists and faggots tend to use obscure words nobody understands. They think this makes them look smart or something, when in reality it just underscores what a bunch of cringelords they are"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>this makes them look smart\nYour words, not mine."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Roman Empire died of chronic civil wars, foreign invasions, and economic mismanagement, not because of degeneracy which by alt right definitions they had practiced for hundreds of years even before their height. Rather during their collapse they were arguing with each other over petty theological differences and persecuting anything still seen as pagan."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Jude 9\nBut Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses\n\n>1 Thessalonians 4:16\nFor the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel\n\nMichael is the only archangel in the Bible. Jesus has the voice of the archangel. Therefore, Jesus is Michael the archangel, not God.\n\nCheckmate you Trinity believing retards! Hahahahaha! How can you ever recover from this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's all fairy tales from Bronze Age Jews, written by random people decades afterwards, that contradict each other, and were edited and compiled into a book by a Roman Emperor."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel\nIn the original passage it goes like this :\n>ὅτι αὐτός ὁ κύριος ἐν κέλευμα ἐν φωνή ἀρχάγγελος καί ἐν σάλπιγξ θεός καταβαίνω ἀπό οὐρανός καί ὁ νεκρός ἐν Χριστός ἀνίστημι πρῶτον\nIt literally says nowhere that Our Lord won't descend literally with Michael by His side."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDaniel 10:13\nBut for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nhttps://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/4-16.htm\n\nYou sure about that?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1 Thessalonians 4:16\n>For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.\nAre you also going to claim Jesus is a trumpet??\n\nCheckmate you Trinity rejecting brainlet! Hahahahaha! How can you ever recover from this?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Was this part of Jesus’ teachings?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nJesus can have the voice of an archangel, but how can he be a trumpet? God gave him his trumpet to blow you moron. Hahahahaha! You lose again!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThat doesn't disprove Jesus as Michael the archangel. Try again!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI don’t care about the magic Jew and his many forms, that’s all well and good, but why are J Dubs so dismissive when it comes to pedophilia? Not even the Catholic Church is this bad. The abuser can refuse questioning and the case gets dropped?!?!?!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nJehovah will fix it all in 2 more weeks. Just turn off your brain and believe."}, {"id": 12, "content": "you will never be Lara OP. Your JW schizoposting will never be at that level."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThank you JWanon!"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour church's main virtues are that you don't let governments boss you around and you stick to your guns. Otherwise, you're Calvin Millenialists whose prophecies have failed time and time again. You don't have to compete with your other church members in order to be one of the 144,000 \"saved\". Your God is bigger than that."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe Michael the archangel is Jesus. This doesn't contradict my trinitarianism in any way."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Luther\n>Got his revelation while passing a log\n>Calvin\n>Scrawny nerd with a resentful streak\n>Big Henry\n>Started his church just to dump his wife\n>Zwingli\n>Leeroy Jenkins’d himself to death on the battlefield\nProtestantism was one big lowbrow comedy from the start."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">OP\n>masturbated to tranny porn while owning the heckin prots just before converting to islam because it's based and trad"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ntouched a nerve it seems"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Anderson"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThat is /his/ strongest Latinx tradcath soldier."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Terrible post, great picture."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCalvin and Zwingli were based and actually knew what they wated, they are respectable enemies. I agree Luther and Henry are cringy and acted without acknowledged the consequences."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DO A HECKIN TRANSLATE THE BIBLE INTO THE VERNACULAR SO THE LAYMAN CAN LEARN HOW WE'VE BEEN LYING TO THEM WITH A CASH-4-HEAVEN SCAM FOR YE-ACK"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nChud Anon, sometimes i see you as a neopagan sometimes i see you as an atheist and sometimes as a protestant.\nliterally, what are you"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nA contrarian chud"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI’m an atheist, the most religious I get is practicing some aspects of Buddhist philosophy.\n\nIn the context of this thread, Catholics are trying to attack Luther and his movement, but even the church has conceded that many of his proposed changes were correct including translating the Bible to the vernacular. Im not a Protestant, but they are more correct in this debate."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>attestable historical anecdotes\nvs\n>tranny-obsessed schizo meltdown\nwonder whose post looks the better"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nA Jew"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are some people in history that were completely made up for the lulz\n\npic related and Socrates"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPope Joan"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharlemagne was made up. There were 297 years of history that were completely made up. We are actually in the year 1726 AD.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho wrote The Ego and Its Own, in your opinion? Marx?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNietzsche"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHow did the Saxons become Christian, in this timeline?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't they just rebuild the Twin Towers instead of making this ugly piece of shit?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause where the Twin Towers stands were turned into monuments"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks like a giant syringe"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Ugliness is the whole point of our modernity"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe new building looks way better than the twin towers though?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Just make the same building with the same structural flaws\nNo thanks"}, {"id": 7, "content": "i hope china carpet bombs jew york while the malaysian plane missing for 10 years shows up and crashes into that piece of shit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>structural flaws"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>post modern soviet \"architect\"\n>ugly piece of shit\nApplying twin towers not one?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Twin Towers were even uglier."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThis. They were well-known for being giant ugly pieces of shit in their own right."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat’s the difference? They’re both just squares\n>>4\nTwin towers are just as ugly. Just generic buildings"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI thought they were rebuilding them. There was supposed to be another tower, wasn't there?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe WTC was never filled with tenants because it was so overbuilt for the demand for office space"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Reminder that a plane did not hit building 7 and the building 7 collapse is the only known case of a \"\"\"\"\"\"fire\"\"\"\"\"\" causing a freefall collapse"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>please do not discuss events that happened less than 25 years ago\nI bet you're a christnigger too."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nuuuuuummmmm christianity formed over 25 years ago, sweaty. check the facts."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Twin towers may have looked like shit but they were a much more significant landmark. If you watch any movie with New York pre-2000 your eyes instantly catch their presence."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Twin Towers themselves were incredibly overbuilt and had about half of their combined floors empty at any time."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Trump being the only famous New Yorker pushing for them to be rebuilt with a few more floors as a fuck you to the terrorists and it being what the public wanted. Crazy how he's like the only elite who thinks like a normal person, and then people wonder why he won."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're just now finally building a second fucking tower. Took them long enough"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nretard"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy didn't they make a Titanic II? It just seems like tempting fate.\nMore seriously, trying to just replicate the towers and make the skyline look the same as it did before 9/11 could be seen as trying to erase the significance of both the event itself and how it is shaped our society. We inescapably live in a post-9/11 world, so we should have a post-twin towers skyline as well"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>Why didn't they make a Titanic II?\nsome billionaire planned to, but it's not practical"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou can even tell where they took inspiration from the Twins, but then added millions of ugly little windows, the entire structure looks like glass befitting NYC, weak and brittle with no privacy.\nthen they also turned the building sideways halfway so it looks twisted and even more confusing.\nits a real shame, if they got rid of so much glass and just added some solids it might actually look good."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whats your favorite name for God? For me it's Adonai."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI gotta go old school and say Dyaus Pitar"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDOMINVS"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>name for God\nThose are just old names of old gods j*ws retconned into one god."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nElohim, simply because it's the title Jesus used at His lowest."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "philosophy is not about being right\nPhilosophy is about appearing to be right"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Therefore I say that in the perfectly unjust man we must assume the most perfect injustice; there is to be no deduction, but we must allow him, while doing the most unjust acts, to have acquired the greatest reputation for justice. If he have taken a false step he must be able to recover himself; he must be one who can speak with effect, if any of his deeds come to light, and who can force his way where force is required by his courage and strength, and command of money and friends. And at his side let us place the just man in his nobleness and simplicity, wishing, as Aeschylus says, to be and not to seem good. There must be no seeming, for if he seem to be just he will be honoured and rewarded, and then we shall not know whether he is just for the sake of justice or for the sake of honours and rewards; therefore, let him be clothed in justice only, and have no other covering; and he must be imagined in a state of life the opposite of the former. Let him be the best of men, and let him be thought the worst; then he will have been put to the proof; and we shall see whether he will be affected by the fear of infamy and its consequences. And let him continue thus to the hour of death; being just and seeming to be unjust. (Plato, Republic, Book 2)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nJust because something convinced you, that doesn`t mean it is the truth\nYou were convinced because it APPEARED to be the truth, but it`s impossible to be 100% it is the truth itself"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Start shit, get hit?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>9 years later\n>give up all political power without a fight"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Kids are still doing that stoning cars shit on the road between the airport and Cape Town, it’s fucking obnoxious.\n\nIf anything the police need to bring it back."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">nuclear power plant and electricity poles in the background\ncrazy how the world sets up perfect kino like this"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe soviets backed the nigger communist terrorists because SA was a white capitalist western power. They fed the niggers a bunch of bullshit about how they're poor because white people run the government and if niggers ran the government they would all get rich off gibs. Of course anyone with half a brain knew this was fucking stupid and niggers have never run a successful country anywhere."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nRamaphosa seems like a highly pragmatic politician because he'll go to SACP congresses and also meetings with white farmers telling him that he wants to tie them to trees so they don't leave South Africa lol\n\nMalema seems like he just wants to be another Mugabe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about the Boers. I want to learn more about them, what are some good books? But they can't be racist or /pol/shit. I just want the history of them and their opposition."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Your best all in one introduction for beginners is probably Rian Malan “My Traitor’s Heart.”\n\nSomething a little more substantial and academic would be “The Afrikaners: Biography of A People” by Hermann Giliomee"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Boers are subhuman"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Zellig on the log"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Do you mean literal Boers as in 19th century, trekkers, oxwagons, wars with Dingane and the British etc.? Or do you mean Afrikaners? The suggested reading material for each could be different.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/nlHqKJyo3GQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": "In b4 souties and trolls, but I repeat myself."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey are like early American settlers, but not faustian enough. during white rule, British south africans were the primary educated class and the talent. boers were mainly farmers, laborers, and, at best, middle management. Boers wanted a pastoral latifundia, Brits wanted industrial development."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nidk both?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "wtf is OP pic from?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nongezellig"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How incestuous were Zoroastrians really? All the sources I can find range from saying they didn't practice it at all, they only did cousin marriage, or that they did in fact practice full incest. It's also disputed whether it was only practiced by priests and nobility or also the commoners. There seems to be a lot of bias on both sides. Is there an unbiased well-researched source on this practice?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "everyone back then practiced incest, romans were the exception"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nReally? I know that cousin marriage was widespread but wasn't sibling to sibling and parent child incest incredibly taboo?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nsibling-parent more than likely taboo (or was hidden), but niece-uncle stuff was probably common"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOk maybe I didn't really make it clear but I made this thread to ask about the Zoroastrian practice of Xwedodah (incestuous marriages)\n\n>In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwēdōdah (Av. xᵛaētuuadaθa) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible.\n\nAccording to various sources Zoroastrians believed that incest was divinely ordained, however other sources dispute whether this practice was true, referred only to cousin marriage, and how widespread it was. I personally am skeptical due to how taboo incest is, but there have been weird cultural practices throughout history. I want to know if there is a good source that states the truth about this practice."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This \"great black civilization\" was an arab trade outpost."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nreally? anything i can read about it, i thought the actual purpose of the buildings was a mystery."}, {"id": 3, "content": "See also: the KANG Ptolemies and Cleopatrae... were Macedonian coloniser overlords of a [North] African civilisation."}, {"id": 4, "content": "It gets better - the whole Swahili civilisation exists because of BLEACHING by literal Aryans.\nhttps://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/genetic-study-details-complex-ancestry-east-africas-swahili-people-2023-03-29/"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nAccording to Rhodesian historians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nhttp://www.rhodesia.nl/Arab%20Builders%20of%20Zimbabwe.pdf"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Even if it wasn't the 'people' dwelling in the area now have zero connections to whoever lived there back then"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was founded in the 11th century A.D. as a trading outpost. It flourished until around 1400, when the trade died down, and it was abandoned not long after that.\n\nWas it founded by Arabs? Perhaps.\nWas it peopled by sub-Saharan Africans? Probably.\nIs there any connection between the people who used it back then and any peoples now? Who knows?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Can we get a new picture. It’ll catch my eye so I can remember it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Protestant argument always boils down to semantics\n>Atheist argument always bois down to desire for sin and lack of faith\n>Political argument always boils down to muh free speech\nTfw my belief in monarchial Christian theocracy is stronger than ever before."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no god, jesus didn't exist and religiosity is negatively correlated with IQ and christianity is on the decline."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>mfw you failed to consider that dropping your ballot in the voting box can be kind of fun"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">supporting rule by inbred cousin fucking retards\n\nCouldn’t be me"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>AAAAH I'M GONNA VOOOOOOOOOT\neven actual coomers are better off, at least they don't have to wait 2 to 4 years to get their \"euphoric\" vooting feeling"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Atheist argument always bois down to desire for sin and lack of faith\nYou know you could just provide some arguments as to why someone should follow your religion..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">protestant argument boils down to the meaning of words\nGuilty"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>cane juice always boils down to sugar\nmama mia"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s retarded because what stops the monarch from acting like a demon? Why not just have a straight clerical theocracy if your justify from a religious point of view? It’s because I bet you’re not arguing for monarchy for logical reasons you’re just doing it because it’s letrad gay. So dumb… dumbo… poop brain"}, {"id": 10, "content": "You've decided to let the elite rich bastard globohomos rule over your religion and you, so your freedom of choice will be stripped away from you again. See: China, Russia, and Ukraine."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Closely allied to this is what has been called otosis. This is the substitution of a familiar word for an archaic or foreign one of similar sound but wholly diverse meaning. This is a very common occurrence and easily leads to myth making. For example, there is a cave, near Chattanooga, which has the Cherokee name Nik-a-jak. This the white settlers have transformed into Nigger Jack, and are prepared with a narrative of some runaway slave to explain the cognomen."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically, there was no such thing as dated. People would come and go as they pleased. Why did the mating process get formalized into a nebulous theatrical dance?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow were arranged marriages not a similarly formalized process?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChudbucket"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Sexuality is a spectrum\n>NO NOT LIKE THAT"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChuddle Bass"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople married, they didn't date. Governments had to find a way to utilize men and get them to invest into society, bachelor were deprived of certain privileges and benefits."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n>late onset puberty\nOHNONO MY FAVORITE BASED TWITTER INFLUENCERS SAID THAT THE HUNTER GATHERER LIFESTYLE WAS MORE HEALTHY AND NOURISHING THAN FARMKEKS. HOW COULD THIS BE??"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>implying late onset is bad"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">People would come and go as they pleased\nSource: my ass"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Wait wanting a woman who is not old and can cook is “chud?”"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are so many Americans proud of their heritage when 90% left to escape their shitholes for a better life?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Also why were Irish stereotyped with this monke look"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthe irish were seen as modern day mexicans"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the \"better life\" they \"escaped\" to is nothing to be proud of."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the rise of China the most important historical event of the past 50 years?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSoul vs soulless"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll those empty buildings that were brought up in a single week and will just as quickly collapse due to \"illegal construction\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, the collapse of the soviet union was. Zhangs are historically irrelevant; in fact, describing their cyclic records as \"history\" is misnomer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCertainly it has generated the most seething and crying"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo because it's just a blip. It reverts to an irrelevant backwater when it can no longer whore out its population as outsourced labor for the developed world. And that happens inevitably due to their hilariously bad demographic profile, thanks to leadership that kept demographic controls in place for decades too long."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Rise of China\n>Shows Hong Kong\n\nTry again moron"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\ncope"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>>6\n>/his/\nSure Bob"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nAre you retarded, anon?\nHong Kong was built up decades ago, the quality of the first photo shows it's recent."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Sinoschizo thread #937373\nFiltered"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who had it worse, a Black slave in the south or a Russian serf?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussian serf by quite a margin but because that doesn't fit the leftoid narrative it's a little known fact."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlooking at their clothes, you can clearly see who is living the easy life"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ones on the right aren't even serfs but free peasants."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOnly 20-40% of Russian plowmen (98% of the population) were \"state's peasants\" i.e. free farmers while the rest were literal slaves."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeft:\n>free food\n>free clothes\n>free housing\n>guaranteed protection\n>regimented exercise via labor\nRight:\n>potato sack clothes\n>at the mercy of the harvest\n>shacks not built to survive the Russian climate\n\nI would prefer being a black slave any day of the week, serfs lived awful lives"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nadditionally, the abolition of serfdom happened more than a generation after slavery was outlawed in the US, yet the apparent trauma of slavery is still being discussed while serfdom in eastern europe apparently left no symptoms in eastern europe.\nhow come?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThere were no more serfs after 1861. This photo seems to be from around 1890–1910."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWeren't Russian peasants still tied to the land (ie. basically still serfs) until Stolypin's reforms?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nthe way of the average russian serf has not changed significantly before industrialization really started kicking off in the 1900`s. a \"free\" peasant from the 1890`s lived the same miserable life that the serfs had a couple of decades prior"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Russian serfs themselves, depending on a particular era or a province, were in very different situations. Idk, read fucking Turgenev or some shit."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Obviously things varied from place to place in both instances but broadly speaking Russian serfs were better off. They weren't technically chattel so they had some recourse through courts to allege that their Seigneurs were mistreating them or demanding more than was legally allowed of them."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nSee >>5. Most of the state's peasants had lived on frontiers, like the North, Volga-Ural region, Siberia, etc. In central Russia, there were up to 90% of slaves.\n>>8\nThe living conditions hadn't changed.\n>>9\nYes, there was a dumb stuff with communes."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe serf no doubt, even the most mistreated nigger slave in America had it better than the average Europoor (still true today)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nThe only literal slaves were the household serfs (dvornya) who were less than 10%. Read more books"}, {"id": 16, "content": "I just realised that the emancipation of the serfs and the American civil war occurred in the same year\nWas there any chance of the emancipation going well?\nI don't remember what it was, but I read that there was an event which occurred which meant that the serfs were devastated before the emancipation and then the emancipation happens and it just gets worse for them\nWas there anyone in the Tsarist government who had a good plan of what to do?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nCopium. Every serf could be traded for a dog."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nFirst of all, I'm not referring to the state peasants. Second, the state peasants lived all over the empire, even in the most fertile regions where the enserfment was at its highest. You're just confused by the fact that in the periphery there were almost no privately owned serfs. Thirdly, the fate of a state peasant could've been harsher than that of a serf, like in the case of factory enlisted peasants who did all the hard manual labor for the state owned industries. Read more books ffs. Stop wikipediaing your brain."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nNo, not really."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYes. Also any of them could be tortured or raped."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>the fact that in the periphery there were almost no privately owned serfs\nYes, that's the point. Is there a special term for such people to distinguish them from the category you refered in your third thesis?"}, {"id": 22, "content": "It was collected in the 1930s as part of the Federal Writers Project. Why have you never heard of it despite the establishment being obsessed with slavery?\n\nBecause many of these former slaves were nostalgic for slavery. One said he hopes when he dies he can meet his former master in heaven so he can serve him there.\n\nA little farm work in return for room and board was the worst thing that ever happened to anyone, ever? Nope. Many slaves liked it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nthats not really a good way to measure the objective reality of the situation. many of those slaves probably longed for the youth rather than slavery. same here in eastern europe where all babushkas and other boomers dream of the ussr/communism despite life being obviously better now"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nA slave wanted to meet his master in heaven and serve him there because he longed for his youth?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come dogs were never as revered or respected by Islamic cultures as they are by western cultures? Western cultures going back thousands of years respected dogs as companions and pets, but in Islamic societies they were always seen as \"unclean\". Why is this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nidk, maybe they only kept animals as food. dogs are haram"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nEven in the few societies that raised dogs for meat like the far East and Mesoamerica, dogs were just as often kept as companions. The Muslims are the odd ones out on this. Why is that?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthe \"haram\" rule also applies to touching animals, so it doesn't make sense for them to keep a pet that they believe are evil to touch"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhy do they believe dogs are evil? Was it something Mohammad said?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\ni don't know where their rules come from, but it's a religious belief so it came from one of their magic books i guess"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslamic cultures come from Jewish cultures, which view dogs as vicious and unclean.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_in_religion#Judaism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt seems like way less of a rigid rule in Judaism and rather just a general guideline that most don't seem to follow. Its more like a warning that dogs are living things you have to be responsible for and they can cause damage to property if not tamed. It's hardly the same thing"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nInstructions to treat dogs as unclean and shun them are in the Talmud."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nMay I see it Mr. Satan?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/all-dogs-are-bad-and-their-owners-accursed-israeli-citys-rabbis-rule/"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNo, I mean the Talmud actually says, not the opinions of some zealot Rabbi. I understand you might have brain damage and not understand there's a difference"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n> I mean what the Talmud actually says\n>not some zealot Rabbi\nThe Talmud is nothing but zealous rabbis."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nHe doesn't know because he's a /pol/tard whos never actually read the Talmud and all his knowledge of it comes from infographics"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>Its more like a warning that dogs are living things\nThat's not what it says. The view that dogs are bad don't come from a more general sense like \"beasts\" or \"savage animals\", and so on. It mentions dogs in particular."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nNo, I mean that it teches you that dogs are a responsibility and its forbidden to intentionally mistreat domestic animals in Judaism. Its basically a warning that dogs are a commitment."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Western respected\n>endless Pitbull mauled"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're not useful for hunting in the desert."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why isn't the 21st century as kino as the 20th?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're living through it so it all feels \"normal\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nToo many technological developments takes out the human element of suffering and conquest, therefore less kino potential"}, {"id": 4, "content": "You just live in a peaceful environment. Plus when things happen slowly they're more boring."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>vgh..... thick smog, terrible wars, propaganda, nuclear scare... kino............"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe're well into Cold War II. It just doesn't feel as kino as the first Cold War because information is still coming at us too fast and historians haven't had a chance to compile it into a cohesive narrarative yet. Your grandchildren will probably be reading in shock and awe about shit like Covid-19 or 9/11 in their history books. Just give it more time"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's MORE kino"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Quintili Vare, legiones redde!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek based"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Swedes give this up just to become another Brasil?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite women can't resist Black men"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrom the twisted mind of Jordan Peel..."}, {"id": 4, "content": "White people are dumb and suicidal"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbaby boom+low birthrates means you need a bigger economy to maintain entitlement spending to old people"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere were already too many swarthoids"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWatching old video footage like this is so depressing. Generations upon generations of ancient and medieval Europeans dedicated their lives to building western civilisation only for their faggy modern descendants to squander it in the name of liberalism."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Swedes wanted more test subjects for their weird eugenics fetish"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n\nA major factor is white people breed worse than pandas.\n\nMost anons in here will never father children. You're part of the problem of squandering generations upon generations of ancient heritage.\n\nSo the two deciding factors for the great replacement has been\n\n1. Not enough are having children, or when they do they dont have enough.\n\n2. Nationalism and racial awareness which existed in Europe has been tainted and destroyed thanks to Hitler.\n\nYou can go on and on about jews all you want, but if you exclude these 2 factors then even your supposed jewish subversion would have had a hard time convincing a society to allow mass immigration."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was decided for them..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEighty-six years of almost continuous Social Democrat government."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nKike."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCucked I1-genes. Basically, more I Y-DNA = more cuckoldry."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite people are good and low trust groups take advantage of it.\n\n>b..but...we're so nice...\nIs the last thought of a white European when a mud refugee buries a knife in him.\n\nI see this a lot in liberals. They live in white-only high trust areas and think the rest of the world thinks just like them."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nNothing he said is wrong. People didn't have enough kids so we imported a ton of young labour. Simple as."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>>16\nShalom"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>sterilize too much of your own population\n>bring in more people to sterilize\nSwedish intelligence in action, I'm glad these geniuses are in charge of the Noble prize committee"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n\nThe social democrats of the 1900-1960 were based. They grew up in dirt poor peasant poverty. They generally cared for the nation and the people and only implemented policies they were sure was going to bring stability and prosperity.\nThere are a lot of based quoted from Swedish prime minister in the 1950s basically saying Sweden must remain racially homogenous to remain a prosperous nation. Sweden also had racial hygene institutes under the social democrats in the 1930-40s.\n\nThen came the 1970s, and this is where the \"modern\" social democrats began to take shape.\nIn the 1970s, the social democrat politicians were the new younger generation. People who had grown up in stability and prosperity, whos political conviction came purely from ideology, and so they saw themselves as the banner carriers of their grandparents, and thought they were also going to \"save the world\" and make Sweden better, be the heroes of their time.\nAnd so they began looking for problems, fixing things that werent broken. They were completely ideological driven, almost detached from reality in their million dollar estate in seaside outskirt of Stockholm.\n\n/Swede."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey are fucked in the head thinking that they are morally superior\nespecially the higher and middle class\n>be shithole most of the time\n>get rich in 2nd ww selling iron to germans\n>avoid all destruction that germs caused\n>suddenly rich and next generation is spoiled as shit\n>still practice eugenics tho\n>think that you are hot shit\n>men want young pussy so they import thai and pinoy pussy\n>that leave their women alone and bored\n>they get mad with no men to pester so they push for importing young bucks\n>rest in history"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>>13\nButthurt anons detected. Believe me or not, I'm black and I'm planning on having three kids. Better outbreed me before my descendants outnumber yours!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nNigger"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>>17\n>>22\n\nCan I ask whats the point of this?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nJews want white genocide"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany Jews escaped to Sweden in WWII. Maybe them."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStockholm still looks like that though. Now Frankfurt or even Berlin. Jesus what a shitshow."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>10\nIf it was birthrates, Japan would be Congo by now. And why the fuck would it be birthrates anyway, when the baby boomers were the largest generation in human history? Won't the immigrants have low birthrates too? Won't automation make more labour unnecessary?\n\nIn concurrence with the previous two anons: kike."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\nThat is true, but the successes of the 1900-1960 era laid the foundation for the post-1960s turn. Serious political competition might have forced the Social Democrats to keep a leash on the New Left types, like it did with the Democrats in the U.S. or Labour in the U.K. Instead, those people were acclaimed as the country's new leaders and inherited a vast amount of political capital and a nearly invincible electoral coalition."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n\nBoomer generation was in the 60s. They're almost irrelevant.\n\n\nSweden didnt begin taking in massive immigration until the Jugoslav war and Iraq war. American policies in the middle east, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria is what largely caused the vast majority of demographic change in Sweden.\n\nBefore the 90s, immigration to Sweden were almost exclusively Europeans. 1st was Finns, second were Greeks, and third were Italians. They were solely for the sake of labour. Chile and Jugoslavia started the \"refugee\" policies which America accelerated in the 2000s\n\n/Swede"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>why the fuck would it be birthrates anyway\naverage /his/ poster"}, {"id": 31, "content": "No matter how much you write magical nazi girl manga, it can't can't unfuck your country."}, {"id": 32, "content": "birthrate is the biggest manufactured issue i've ever seen. no one can provide a set of legitimate reasons for why positive birthrate is good. seems like it's part of the streamline capitalist obsession with charts pointing upwards."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>8\nMuh librulz"}, {"id": 34, "content": "200 years of peace does that to a nigga.\n\nWe are very naive because of this and we have been indoctrinated by social democratic values."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\n>no argument\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSweden have a strange obsession with swarty features, likely caused by the fact their royal family is actually a dynasty of french meds that originated from a napoleonic officer"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe didnt give up we are making a huge comeback now. People in government position are literally talking about \"folkutbytet\" the people replacement or swedish for the great replacement and remigration"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would anyone have a problem with trannies if they looked like this in real life?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHumanities or history?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course not, but I still want to have children, so I will have to respectfully decline her advances."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTransgenderism has existed throughout history and it is also a topic of discussion in the humanities."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nyou can discuss this inhumanity over here: >>>/lgbt/"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, of course. Some people will never accept minorities regardless of how much they integrate into society.\n\nThey'd have far less problems though, realistically."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nGender studies is part of the humanities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf technology does progress to the point where you can turn a man into a genuine genetically indistinguishable from a real woman woman what would the argument against them become?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nWhat are you struggling to understand? Transgenderism existed thoughout human history and it is a topic of investigation and discussion in the humanities, even moreso than religion."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf trannies could actually magically turn into women they would not be as hated, no. But they will never be women, down to their genetic makeup through every cell in their body they are men, so it doesn't matter."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>even moreso than religion.\nNice attempt but you jumped the shark."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nthey would not even be the same person anymore because those male genes exist in the whole body"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they don't look like that in real life."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnime is a weaponised way to spread faggotry and trannism. Just look at that shit. It's very, very gay. Never got the appeal.\n\nJapanese obsession with \"cute\", \"chibi\" and so on has turned their men into hikkomori cucks. There is nothing to emulate from that society, they are going extinct."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n\nThis, and it's no surprise the weirdo freak beta males are attracted to it"}, {"id": 16, "content": "ynbaw kys"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>>15\n>There is nothing to emulate from that society\nThis website is emulating a Japanese one."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>Would your opinion on sex change if you had sex?\n>what do you mean? I've never had sex.\n>ok, but what if you did?\n>No, I've never had sex before."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, my problem with trannies is that most of them look like monsters"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would anyone have a problem with trannies if they looked like this in real life?\n\nI think people would have 'less' of a problem with them, but there'd still be friction.\nThere's basically three aspects to the transexual/transgender controversy:\n-The visual discomfort caused by the ugly ones. That isn't complicated. This is purely a natural visceral response to just not liking ugly things.\n-The socially disruptive contaminate of being told you can be a man or a woman. Lets just assume for the sake of the argument that we can be whatever gender we want to be: not everybody gets to be who they want to be and in some circumstances it's irresponsible or disruptive to those around you to just do whatever you want. It's kind of like how your parents tell you you can be an astronaut or the president, but in reality you'll probably become a mechanic, or an IT tech, or a plumber, and while it wasn't your 'dream' you'll probably still be perfectly happy.\n-A certain portion of transgenderism is just the mental illness of gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria isn't a lifestyle and it shouldn't be treated as something fashionable, but it's getting associated with those kinds of things. That's a problem."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are cultures based in \"sex\"? Are there any?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Ours"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestern culture"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLatina culture\nJapanese culture"}, {"id": 5, "content": "indian and japanese"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmodern day west"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "VGH.............. what could have been"}, {"id": 2, "content": "TOTAL\nANGLO\nDEATH"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow did the spanish keep north america but lose south america in this scenario?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey kept North America because they decided to stabalize in the begining of the 19th century and not waste that centry flip-flopping on politics. They lost South America because the Portugese were still superior warriors."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Wow, that's deep.\n\nHow do Abrahamists and Christians refute that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Claim they're henotheists. Orthodogs already do this"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the other gods are so great, why didn't they call themselves the One and Only True God first?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey weren't as narcissistic and insecure as Yahweh."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCope, these faggot-ass gods knew they were outclassed, is why"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere must be only one true religion.\n\nBelieving in subjectivism makes you a tranny."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThose gods didn't even know that some shitstain cult of a desert cuck smelting deity will exist in late Iron Age.\n\nYahweh is one of the youngest gods known to man."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThere's is nothing more hedonistic than believing in, and wanting to go to, heaven."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nIf you were born in india you would believe in a magic elephant instead of a magic jew."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nExodus 34:14\n>For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:\n\nTechnically the name of God in the Bible is Jealous, not Yahweh. Christians don't emphasize this point for a reason"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nwas he a woman?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHe would exterminate people on the spot at the slightest inconvenience so probably"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nOnly if you have a Reddit-tier understanding of theology where you get you conception of heaven from the Simpsons"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nLot is probably the most tragic character in the Bible if you think about it. The OT definitely goes out of it's way to portray God as violent and temperamental"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>There must be only one true religion.\nwhy must there be one? why can't all of them be false?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nCucktianity is entirely about you and your ticket into the magic jew kingdom for dead people. It is entirely egocentric."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you jewish?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nIs heaven the greatest pleasure a human can attain, or are there greater pleasures?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nAre you jewish?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>>19\nYahweh was a Jewish god\nJesus was a Jew\nMary was a Jew\n\nI really don't get the argument that tradcath zoomers are using. You believe in jewish mythos."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nDon't bother, larpers gonna larp"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>>21\nAre you pretending to be retarded or retarded for real?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIncel doesn't understand his own mythology. Cute."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nShalom"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nsee >>20\n\nTry having reading comprehension, you double digit IQ ape. You can't get more jewish than literally worshipping the kike god."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n>>21\nAre you jewish?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is only 1 God."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\noy vey"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>>28\nAre you jewish?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nYou worship a kike"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI'm not a christcuck though?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nAnd his name is Larry Fink"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThen go munch on a dead smelly rotten body, you orthodog nigger."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>16\n>My street shitter religion means no matter how much of a dick I am, I will be a peanut in my next life, followed by being a doctor and dictator, and then a gopher after that, followed by me shitting in the street again"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nWho does?\nYou?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\n>You can't get more jewish than literally worshipping the kike god.\nCommunism"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey Believe!"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>>36\nYahweh was a Jewish god\nJesus was a Jew\nMary was a Jew"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>26\nMy friend, 'messiah' is literally Hebrew, who do you think you're kidding with your autistic fag shit?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nJews are racial supremacists they are enemies of all men"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>33\nYou must be confused. How can I be a particular brand of christcuck if I'm not a christcuck in general."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nCorrect. Everything jewish must be destroyed, including yahweh and jesus."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nPost 23 and me"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nSo Jesus is the enemy?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>giving your DNA to kikes\nYou really are double digit."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nAgain, you can stop your autistic faggotry, it won't change the fact that you worship something you literally hate"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nYou already gave your soul to them, what's your DNA?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>18\nIn the verb sense?\n>give sexual enjoyment or satisfaction to.\nThen no, heaven is not sexual.\n\nIn the Catholic conception Heaven is about participation in the divine essence.\nYou can easily saying it’s the highest joy.\nHowever that doesn’t meet the definition of Hedonistic\n>engaged in the pursuit of pleasure; sensually self-indulgent.\nBecause it’s not self-indulgent, it’s directed outwardly."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nYahweh was a Jewish god\nJesus was a Jew\nMary was a Jew"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nJews burn in Hell. The Bible says so"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>38\nWhat does that have to do with kikes?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nThe Jew bible?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>16\n>It is entirely egocentric.\nAsk me how I know you are a degenerate coomer."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nNo"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nWell ain't that a pity for your messiah"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nI genuinely believe insulting your jewish masters gets under your skin"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>23\n>>20\n>incel\n>Christianity lives rent free in his brain\nDenounce the talmud"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\n>John 3:2"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nYahweh was a Jewish god\nJesus was a Jew\nMary was a Jew"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>unable to denounce the talmud\nChecks out"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nYahweh was a Jewish god\nJesus was a Jew\nMary was a Jew\n\nDeal with it."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAAH\nsloppy job mossad, that’s twice over you have been unable to denounce the Talmud. Is THIS the best “Israel” has to offer??"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nMeds"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nStill no response??\nChecks out, but why settle for just exposing you when I can go for a complete refutation of your worldview.\n>God was a Jewish god\nWell he is, he isn’t a was, if he was a was we would be anything.\nAdditionally he isn’t Jewish, he was the God of the Jews and was incarnated in Judean flesh, but God is the God of all men.\n>Jesus was a Jew\nYes, and?\n>Mary was a Jew\nYes, and?\nAnd those two are the best parts, you have to assert those as your sole case because you hope that fact along would turn people away from the truth, as those a Jew saying 1+1=2 makes it not true.\nObjective truth is objective regardless of the sauce, and you intense hatred of Christians is based on a childish rejection of truth because you don’t like the sauce and you probably want to have lots of cummies and don’t like daddy telling you no.\nTell me, what is your relationship like with your father?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>meds\nTaken, your turn."}, {"id": 66, "content": "Over 300 million in India alone. There are gods and there is Jehovah. You don't mistake the top guy in charge of every operation for the store manager over a designated place. Gods exist and even produce results but there is the father of spirits, the God of gods, the Lord of hosts. You have to put everything in its place. You don't move everything in your life to make sure you don't miss a moment of a random cockroach. In the same way, you don't serve gods that are already below you. When you are a child of God through the Lord Jesus Christ, the anointed to be God with us, you are not \"under\" \"Aries\" or \"Pisces\" when you are created to be the image of God on Earth. As for me, God has placed me higher than any spirit outside of God because I have the Spirit of God but I wish one person would realize the magnitude of what God is trying to say with this post."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>48\nIs participation in the divine essence pleasurable or painful?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nI'm like 70% sure this is large language model spouting this crap"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nFalse dichotomy, I would say it’s spiritually fulfilling, but their is no pleasure of the flesh."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>*zero counter-argument*\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>64\n>>Jesus was a Jew\n>Yes, and?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nIs spiritual fulfillment pleasurable or painful?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>Is spiritual fulfillment pleasurable or painful?\nAgain false dichotomy, Is taking a step painful or pleasurable?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>Is taking a step painful or pleasurable\nDepends on the circumstances. Are you implying that the pleasurableness of spiritual fulfillment is circumstantial?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nYes, Jesus was a Jew, how does that make his argument invalid?\nCan God not assume flesh?\nOr do you just believe that it’s impossible for that flesh to be Judean?\nLet’s be honest you are a Reddit atheist and don’t even believe in God"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nSo you worship a jew?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>Are you implying that the pleasurableness of spiritual fulfillment is circumstantial?\nNo I am implying that you are intentionally trying to set up a dichotomy that you know to be false.\nAre you implying that all steps must either be pleasurable or painful?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nNo, I worship God\nSee >>64\nHe was incarnated in Judean flesh but God is the God of all men."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n>I worship god\n>jesus is god\n>jesus was a jew\nTherefore, you worship a jew."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nCan you disprove the notion that all steps are either pleasurable or painful?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>69\nGiven that heaven is the greatest joy and fulfillment a human can feel, it is a hedonistic goal to attempt to enter heaven. Just because you have to work hard for the joy does not mean it isn't hedonistic."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsince Muhammad isn't on the screencap, Islam stands unrefuted.\npay your jizya."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>69\n>is it pleasurable\n>it's not pleasure...of the flesh\nleast dishonest christcuck, lmao."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\n>I worship god\nYes\n>jesus is god\nYou know it\n>jesus was a jew\nAbsolutely true\n>Therefore, you worship a jew.\nOooof so close and falls face first right at the end, sad.\nNo your mistake can be identified YOUR usage of the word “was”.\nWas implies past tense.\nGod was God before all things, ergo before Jews.\nAnd as you say Christ WAS a Jew, ergo in the past as his incarnation was in time."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\nYes, I took a step, it was neither pleasurable nor painful."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>81\n>Given that heaven is the greatest joy and fulfillment a human can feel, it is a hedonistic goal to attempt to enter heaven.\nSee >>48\nIn the Catholic conception Heaven is about participation in the divine essence.\nYou can easily saying it’s the highest joy.\nHowever that doesn’t meet the definition of Hedonistic\n>engaged in the pursuit of pleasure; sensually self-indulgent.\nBecause it’s not self-indulgent, it’s directed outwardly\nNEXT!"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nWhy was the step taken?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSyncretism and worshiping 3 gods."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>83\n>it’s spiritually fulfilling\n>OMG SEE YOU JUST SAID ITS PLEASURABLE!!!!!!!!! AND THEN YOU DENIED THAT ITS PLEASURABLE!!!!!\nleast dishonest redditor, lmao."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\nIs spiritual fulfillment pleasurable?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\n>Why was the step taken?\nBecause I got turned around."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nEstablished earlier we were using the verb.\n>>48\n>In the verb sense?\n>give sexual enjoyment or satisfaction to.\n>Then no, heaven is not sexual\n\nUnironically question why is atheoid reading comprehension always SO BAD??"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nYou got turned around to a different direction from where you were originally heading. Must've been a painful step."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\n>Must've been a painful step."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nWhat were the circumstances surrounding you taking a step? There's your citation."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nOOof no citation, yikes.\nNEXT!"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>b-b-but the verb\nI'm talking about the noun now. Does spiritual fulfillment lead to a feeling of happy satisfaction and enjoyment i.e pleasure?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nI said the pleasure or pain of taking a step depends on the circumstances. You refuse to provide the circumstances surrounding you taking a step.\n\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>b-b-but the verb\nYes anon, the verb, stop behaving like a child.\n>I'm talking about the noun now.\nThat’s absolutely fine and I’m happy for you to establish that you are changing the paradigm of the discussion.\nHowever I would like 2 things if I’m going to give you my time and engage in this discussion.\n1) state “I want to change the paradigm of the discussion, and use the word “pleasure” in its noun form”\n2) I want you to admit that you were childish to post “>b-b-but the verb” and that we had previously established were talking about the verb and your reading comprehension is just bad"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>I said the pleasure or pain of taking a step depends on the circumstances. You refuse to provide the circumstances surrounding you taking a step.\nYou refuse to provide evidence all steps must either be pleasurable or painful?\n\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh wow, that's a lot of people who don't believe in atheism. I guess that means atheism is false"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>64\n>changes Yahweh to God\nfag"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\nSilly christcuck. It was never established that we were talking about the verb. You just assumed that the original paradigm was always the verb, when it was the noun the entire time."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>100\n> steps must either be pleasurable or painful\nThis follows from the premise that pleasure or pain of taking a step depends on the circumstances, which you have yet to disprove.\n\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>99\n>do you experience pleasure in heaven?\n>heh I don't experience pleasure the verb\nPleasure as a verb is a TRANSITIVE verb, you dumb fuck. You can't \"experience pleasure (v.)\". The verb pleasure requires an OBJECT."}, {"id": 106, "content": "Originally, YHVH was a member of the El's pantheon, eventually superseding / combining with El in later scriptures.\nExodus 15:11\n>Who among the gods is like you, LORD? Who is like you-- majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?\n\n\nYHVH also originally had a Goddess consort, Asherah, whose worship was later forbidden.\nDeuteronomy 16:21\n>Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the LORD your God\n\nThe name Jealous emerged because YHVH was both metaphorically and tangibly (through his exiled followers) fighting against other Gods - whom he borrowed descriptions from (see the Ugaritic Baal Cycle).\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZECezMYug8c [Embed]"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nExodus 34:14\n>For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.\n\nAsk yourself, why would YHVH be jealous if he was the only / most powerful God in his pantheon?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmisunderstood good angels (metaphysical forces), demons (fallen angels or an alien being from outer space), deified humans (that are either good people or bad people, not always bad, some even can be taken example for example Alexander the Great had a knightly virtue), natural phenomena worshipped as deities, cult images that became deities and similar phenomena.\nQuestion: Where did they came from?\nQuestion 2: Isn't a where they came from would be a greater thing, therefore should be followed instead of what is created/emerged from it?\nSo, therefore; only atheism, monotheism, deism and agnosticism makes sense because they can answer these questions without falling into sophistry"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nConsidering Judeo-Christian monotheism emerged from Canaanite polytheism, that argument doesn't really hold water"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>2\n>people started an entire discussion based on a complete misreading of this post\nAs a textual criticism fag I find this to be kino as fuck"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>34\nLiterally not now karma works but keep justifying worshipping a dead kike and Israel you cuck lol"}, {"id": 112, "content": "I have reached Gnosis"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>14\nAnd don't even get me started about Job"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>God kills Job's entire family\n>Gives him a mew one\n>\"There, all better now :)\"\n>All of this because of a bet with Satan\nAnd this is supposed to be the book to tackle the suffering problem directly. Religion is weird."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll gods are pretty much correct"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>32\nDude needs to get assraped"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy should we care about what pagans and atheshits say? Pretty clear you aren't gonna change our mind nor are we gonna change yours"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\n>Let's me be retarded"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>24\nI can't in good conscience condone s god who decided jews would be his chosen people in the first place."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>24\n>replaced Jews as God's chosen people\n>don't actually commit to any of the laws the chosen people are expected to abide by"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>6\n>There must be only one way to make bread"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>112\nHello fellow druid"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">Hello fellow druid"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>4\nClose, but untrue. El got his idol jacked by some rival desert dwellers and ever since he's been coping by larping as Yahweh (who didn;t have an idol)."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>/his/ - Christianity & Niggers"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there are many interpretation of how the universe was created, but don't worry, only yours, the big bang, is right."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nIt's the one with the most evidence. You's has zero. All can Chriscucks do is wait for science to discover something new they would have never be able to figure out for themselves, then claim God did it."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCategorical error. Also fat Buddha isn't Siddhartha and Siddhartha isn't a god to be worshipped"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>20\n>You believe in jewish mythos.\nMetaphysically, God and His Word doesn't belong to Jews and never did. They simply were selected to receive it first, it's technically for everyone."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>67\nTheologically, some say both. Orthodox for example understand the fire of God's Love is the same fire as His Wrath, and the only difference is your personal disposition to it. Like a hug from your hot aunt vs your creepy uncle"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>90\nYou're trying to fuck angels dude. Stop"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>106\n>>107\n>I suck at anthropology\nLemme guess, you also think there's failed prophecies in the Bible because you don't realize that prophecies are considered conditional in the ancient near east?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>3\nBecause they weren't fanatical hunch-brains!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do you go from being one of the greatest generals in history to being one of the worst presidents there is?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">How do you go from being one of the greatest mass murderers in history to being one of the worst presidents there is?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Massachusetts so left wing even relative to the states around it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>left wing\n>won't lick dick\n???"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMA was originally settled by Puritans who were autistic moralizing utopians and this mentality easily translated into proto-SJW ideologies; it was the center of abolitionism and other early social reform movements and the first state to grant blacks the vote (and the only one pre-15th Amendment).\n\nAs for the modern state of MA, it's merely a generic corrupt Democrat machine controlled Northeastern state after Ellis Islanders took over from the old WASP elite by demographic replacement."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNah.\nMassachusetts was stable until the Irish, Italians, and other groups came in.\nI say this as being largely Irish from another state."}, {"id": 5, "content": "MA is the only state on the east coast worth living in. it is god's country and the glory of new england.\n\ni miss boston so much it's unreal."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Boston. Average IQ drags down the entire state."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nJames Curley who was the first Irish mayor of Boston openly bragged that the old line New Englanders couldn't compete with their prodigious birthrate."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>I say this as being largely Irish from another state.\nhttps://youtu.be/oYLxkGz00d0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>it is god's country and the glory of new england.\nMakes sense Bostonians would glorify being retarded."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nNigga have you looked at an electoral map of Massachusetts, the entire state votes like 60%+ Democrat, not just Boston"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI'm not surprised surprised the rest of the state is full of trash people too."}, {"id": 12, "content": "the state elects Republican governors and state legislators, it just always votes Democrat in national elections"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Highest IQ state. Rightism is for braindead losers. It can only thrive in undeveloped shitholes full of white niggers where the average person still believes they’re being watched by a rabbi zombie."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThe national Republican Party forgot about New England after the 80s because they'd secured the South and didn't need its votes anymore so they don't bother campaigning there or contesting elections."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNixon's victory here seems more impressive than Reagan's victory in 1984."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nWell, it's OUR dick, after all"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSubhuman Irishmen"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause MA is far more atheist and catholic than most states in the US"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt had one of the most successful democrat immigrant party machines built on government spending to buy votes. The state is massively in debt because of this"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>1984\n>Reagan wins\n>UK faces highest inflation rate under Thatcher\n>Soviet Union on the brink of collapse\nHistory is kino sometimes"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nIrish aren’t Catholic"}, {"id": 22, "content": "I think it was only a couple years ago when a Kennedy lost an election in MA for the first time ever. They're like those rotten boroughs in 18th century England with a Parliamentary MP representing a village of 10 people."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>be \"high IQ\"\n>refuse to breed and be replaced by foreigners\nthis might surprise you, anon, but going extinct is not how you prove your superiority"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nirish people"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>12\nthe state does not elect republican state legislators, they don't even run a full slate of candidates\nand neither do the greens or anyone else, there's a disturbing tendency here for corrupt machine politicians to hold their seats basically for life unopposed"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\nMassachusetts Republicans are far to the left of what would be considered Republican anywhere else in the country."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>12\n>the state elects Republican governors and\nFive of the last seven governors in fact, but as proof of the split with national elections Mitt Romney handily lost his own state in 2012."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nyeah Obama won it 60% of the vote so he never really got close. as others have said the national Republican Party basically forgot about New England in the 80s-90s once they'd secured the South's votes. it's not a major loss because the region is unimportant and demographically stagnant nowadays."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter Catholic Al Smith's presidential run, Catholics were a solid Democratic voting block for generations. After the Kennedys, even more so. Nowadays, White Catholics have drifted towards the Republicans, but in their place are Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, etc."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nNew england aren't real white people, they're all eurotrash and vote blue, you know this which is why you bring up a literal who facade of a political movement"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>13\n>niggers\nsay this around your liberal friends and see what their \"high iq\" makes them do"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThe Irish had been a solid Democrat bloc since the 19th century and were the godfathers of corrupt big city machine politics. By the time Al Smith ran for president they'd passed their peak and Italians were starting to overtake them in political influence."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>White Catholics have drifted towards the Republicans, but in their place are Hispanics, Blacks\nThose are also moving Republican since Trump."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTwo words: Kennedy Family"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nMost of those people can’t physically fight so they use feminine ways of fucking people over through gossip and lawsuits and calling the cops"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>7\n>James Curley who was the first Irish mayor of Boston openly bragged that the old line New Englanders couldn't compete with their prodigious birthrate\n\nMy non-scientific observation has lead me to believe that New Englanders didn't so much compete with them, as follow a \"if you can't beat 'em, join 'em\" strategy, literally."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nIrish machines didn't let anybody near them that wasn't irish, eventually in the early 1900's they started giving other immigrant groups patronage but nothing like they gave themselves, until they eventually collapsed after prohibition due to the mob taking over the political circus in the inner cities"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Massachusetts flipped to the Democrats at a presidential level in 1928 due to supercharged Catholic turnout for Al Smith, who was an Irish Catholic who ran on repealing Prohibition, and stayed Democratic as urban Catholics and Jews became the backbone of the Democratic coalition. Once Republicans started shedding support among their traditional Yankee WASP base in New England in the 1960s, that only made Massachusetts more Democratic."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nthe New England states were still at least somewhat purple through the 80s and the Republican presence there only disappeared during the Clinton years however this was true of the Northeastern states in general."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nRight, the shift didn't happen overnight in the same way that the white South didn't flip Republican overnight. Those processes both started in the 1960s (arguably earlier for the South, with Eisenhower winning Texas and Virginia in both of his runs"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>15\nNixon did win more counties than Reagan so in a way his victory is certainly more impressive. Also how did Nixon win Cook County? Was McGovern that shit of a candidate?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nBig city Democrat mayors and organized labor disowned McGovern because he had led efforts to reform the Democrat primary system after they'd coronated Hubert Humphrey despite Eugene McCarthy having won most of the '68 primaries."}, {"id": 43, "content": "Prior to the New Deal era Massachusetts was anything but a Democrat state. The Yankee WASP ruling class had always associated the Democrat Party with corruption, mob rule, and slavery. It was the one-time Federalist heartland eventually Republican. That it shifted Democrat beginning in the 1930s was due to the invasion of Ellis Islanders who didn't care about 19th century political dynamics."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nVermont in that time was also an extremely red state while New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, and Rhode Island were a little more purple though mostly Republican-dominated during the Gilded Age."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>34\nI'm thinking this desu, and just the general Portland/Seattle syndrome of being a white city that is full of latte liberal white guilt types"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is \"individualism\" a completely modern concept? Look at pretty much any pre-WW2 footage and everyone, even in anglo countries, is content with more or less looking the same as everyone else."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Individualism is a product, made to be sold to you, nothing more.\nJust think about the custom masks during covid, and how much money they made out of them."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Its a good thing. How are you supposed to win a world war if everyone thinks they're special."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKind of, kind of not. Individualism and Socialism (also collectivism) are words that all originated in the 19th century describing undesirable extremes of social organization, the idea was to find a balance somewhere in the middle.\n\nNo one wants to be a member of the undifferentiated mass but you can't let people untether themselves to all social or cultural obligations either.\n\nAmerican liberals were traditionally not individualist, they were communitarian. The extreme individualism of modern America occurred as a reaction to Soviet communism."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndividualism is a Jewish concept to erode racial identity."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nVirgin"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEleutheromania isn't modern, no. It just can't always be afforded."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople are still individuals if they look the same.\nThey have different personalities and thoughts."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "McGovernsisters..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can you refute this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo I can't. In fact I completely agree with this."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwas african slavery fake because blacks hate their white liberators?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jews are not one person."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews are not writing \"article after article\" about how whites need to be \"sterilized and exterminated\". No non-fascist is going to agree with that statement. How do you see this as a gotcha when you have to have already swallowed /pol/ bs to accept the argument?\n\nNow I have a question for you: Hitler gassed thousands of German citizens in mental institutions. Pic related is his signature signing off on this policy.\n\nIf Hitler was willing to gas thousands of Aryans, but only sent Jews to fun summer camps, did Hitler love Jews more than Germans?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou have the brain of a child if you think ww2 from the allied perspective was about saving the jews."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey literally give out medals\n>Righteous Among the Nations is an honorific used by the State of Israel to describe non-Jews who risked their lives during the Holocaust to save Jews from extermination by the Nazis for altruistic reasons.\nBesides, the allies didn't fight to end the holocaust, that was just a side effect. Your average soldier charging into machine gun fire on Normandy didn't even know the death camps existed"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nthis. allies didn't even know what was going on in the camps until after the war"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nYid cope"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nClaiming USSR and the US fought Hitler to save the Jews is ridiculous. Just like claiming the whole purpose of Nazi Germany was to kill Jews.\nMaking Jews the center of WW2 is done by only two kind of people: Jews and Antisemites."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI honestly can't no. Jews are a blight upon mankind."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nI've generally seen blacks be genuinely fond of Lincoln and the Yankee occupation army, so I wouldn't say it applies. Dunno what the BLM chimp militias think, but that's my experience."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nThey really aren't"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nif soviets knew, then they would have finished the job because stalin wanted to exterminate jews as well"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>They didn't die specifically for us\n>saving my worthless race was only a side effect! That makes it okay to destroy their countries!"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>Just like claiming the whole purpose of Nazi Germany was to kill Jews.\nTbh, by 1944 that was all they were trying to do. Kill as many Jews as possible before you go out."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nI assume that you're convinced that every author in that picture must be a Jew because they disagree with you"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jews the allies saved from the Nazis were dirt poor, illiterate Polish farmers. Most of the rich Jews in America had immigrated decades earlier and didn't give a shit about their relatives in Europe anymore."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\ni don't know what you're sperging out about, it's simply a fact that the armies had no idea what was going on. they were ordered to reach berlin as soon as possible, not even to bother liberating their own territory"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nAh yes, \"17 foods white people have ruined\" is about \"sterilizing and exterminating white people\".\n\nYou guys are fucking rich. Y'all's story of the camps is that thousands died from starvation and typhus, and you think this, if true, would absolve the Nazi's of guilt of committing genocide.\nAnd then you turn around and whine about how Nigerians moving to London to just live there and raise a family, maybe even with a white spouse, is \"\"\"White Genocide\"\"\".\n\nFor the sake of argument, what if Jews did actually way overstate the number of dead in the Holocaust, and overdramatize it. What does that make you, compiling a 4MB image of headlines such as \"Why swimming is so white?\", \"Why is cottagecore so white\", and \"10 things white people need to stop saying\" is a nuda shoah?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Y'all's\nKill yourself."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nSo you are a jew or jew sympathizer that believes these articles are legitimate and have actual points to make. Something that really marks jews is their sheer hypocrisy. I can't imagine an article written titled \"black males must be stopped\" that does not feature on a fringe website called the Guileful Goy. This is something that would immediately be shouted down as racist, but you really see nothing wrong with something so one-sided because you are the kind of vermin writing the articles, while at the same time having the gall to deny jews and their minions hate whites. Another smoking gun is how fucking coddled these rats are.in the media. For all the haranguing about white privilege or white overrepresentation you will never hear the same said about jews among the 1%. When it comes to them, the money was earned, yet when it comes to whites it was stolen. Never mind that jews ride white coattails to the top and that if they were acknowledged as a different race from the beginning, they would have been heavily discriminated against."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>white people freed jews from other white people"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>i don't know what you're sperging out about, it's simply a fact that the armies had no idea what was going on. they were ordered to reach berlin as soon as possible, not even to bother liberating their own territory"}, {"id": 25, "content": "ITT /pol/cels cope and seeth at the slightest pushback to their horseshit."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nLmao fuckin saved\n\nHave a hanging kike"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\nFaggot, the entire media is controlled by jews. Neither left nor right wing mainstream media disparages the jew. Jews also openly control the FBI and the only bipartisan issue in Washington is the unconditional support of Israel."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler was a piece of shit because he didn't kill 6 million Jews."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>20\nWhere exactly is their criticism of other races? Going to ignore the other retarded shit you said"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nSo you're going to shift the goal posts from \"sterilize and exterminate\" to there's some clickbait articles about white people being cringe or racist. Got it."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>no real answer\nI humbly accept your concession."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>20\n>Ah yes, \"17 foods white people have ruined\" is about \"sterilizing and exterminating white people\".\nBecause that is definitely the only article listed.\nLet me help you\n>The plague of white men\n>Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American\n>White guy killer syndrome. Elliot Rodger wasn't even white.\n>To be white is to be racist - a teacher who influences children\n>X is too white\n>Y is too white\n>Man pushes commuter onto train tracks for being white\n>White men have a good reason to be scared\nYes. The only article was about food. There is no demonization campaign. The \"hey, you're racist and don't know it\" articles are not about conditoning self-hatred within whites. And there are no jocular articles meant not necessarily to invoke rage within the reader, but disrespect and dismissal. You got it all figured out bud.\n>thing doesn't exist\n>ok but it doesn't matter that it exists\nMy only question is, where do the jews fit in? There are no articles titled \"Is Hollywood too jewish?\" \"Is the record industry too jewish?\" Why is this?"}, {"id": 33, "content": "anti-semitebros.."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>/pol/ has a retarded child's understanding of the Holocaust *AND* the Second World War in general\n\nShocking.\n\nIf the Holocaust didn't happen then that means that Hitler had all of Europes Jews in his hands, at his complete mercy and he at best did absolutely nothing to harm them and at worst utterly cucked to them and kept them far away from the fighting in luxurious vacation resorts."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIrrefutable."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIm a jew and i can refute it: The holocaust was done by white people.\nIt doesn't matter if it was also ended by white people. Its like when black slaves wont be grateful to white people for stopping the slavery done by white people.\nPeople like soviets used to be allied with Hitler and filled his oil stockpiles. Americans at large where also eugenicists, and europeans like the French or Poles liked Hitler too, they only regretted it when they were attacked"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nInteresting. So I get to blame all jews for what a small portion of them do?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I know I have the benefit of hindsight now but it seems patently obvious that the only real way to preserve the British Empire would have been a period of consolidation.\n\nUniting with Canada in the 1890s-1920s period in one singular federalized country seems imminently doable. Admittedly, distance makes it much more difficult to do this with Australia and New Zealand."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Spent all my weekly wage on weed and drink again\nThat’s it, I’m done being a loser. I want to live life to the fullest. I want to meet interesting people, get a personality, read a real book, expand my knowledge, get healthy, find a woman, and be a man. Where do I begin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "whoops meant to post this on R9k. Move this thread over there janny please."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nR9k, pol, v, his, sci, tv\nDoes it make any difference. It's all the same."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Start with Schopenhauer. Then go on long walks to the sea or a lake, and go into the ice cold water"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Virginwalking\n>Le cold shower\n>Incel philosopher\nYikes"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nNot posting on /r9k/ is the first step"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nNo, schopenhauer is doomer shit."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe would never walk again or have any hands left. He was nailed to the cross with tent pegs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">just found out i might be related to Alexius Comnenus II\n\nturns out his nephew (Marinos Skordilis) was sent to Crete and was allocated an area (towns of Sfakia and Fragkokastello) , and i discovered that my grandpa had ancestry from his family\n\nSomehow im still poor"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Somehow im still poor\nmy ancestors were wealthy nobles before the commies took it all away. sad!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>im still poor\nHere's the reason."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Following World War II, universal health care systems began to be set up around the world. On July 5, 1948, the United Kingdom launched its universal National Health Service. Universal health care was next introduced in the Nordic countries of Sweden (1955), Iceland (1956), Norway (1956), Denmark (1961) and Finland (1964). Universal health insurance was introduced in Japan in 1961, and in Canada through stages, starting with the province of Saskatchewan in 1962, followed by the rest of Canada from 1968 to 1972.\n\nWhy did this never happen in the US?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did this never happen in the US?\neverything needs to be private, or else it's communism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nBecause our \"country\" was always made up of eleutheromaniacs too piss-scared to act like a proper Government, lest they abandon their one non-principle called freedom."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did this never happen in the US?\n\nOY VEY WEINSTEIN PHARMACEUTICAL COULD LOSE FOURTH QUARTER PROFITS"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>eleutheromaniacs\nstop stalking me to other boards, jay you freak"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nGet over yourself.\n>jay\nSee above."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is justice independent of power?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jesus didn't write anything down. Nobody who met him wrote anything down. Not a single document, inscription, or anything dates from when he was alive. No contemporary scholar mentions him or his cult. Philo of Alexandria lived in the early first century and wrote about persecuted Jewish sects and doesn't mention him. At least half a century after he allegedly lived a story about a magic Jew shows up. Written in a foreign land and foreign language, anonymously authored with no sources cited. No originals exist, only scraps from the second century. No complete document until the 4th century.\n\n>Well I guess we'd better assume he was real. After all, nobody could possibly tell a story about someone who wasn't real."}, {"id": 2, "content": "christcucks are fucking retarded."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nobody who met him wrote anything down\nuuummmm sweaty.... paul met jesus. check your facts"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nOnly in his dreams"}, {"id": 5, "content": "God is the type to do this kind of thing because he is God all by himself. I have seen and touched power. It is the rumors + power that has established the name of Jesus. In any case, may this thread promote the Lord Jesus even more and announce him to the world even more."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHe says he had a vision. If I claim to have a vision of Elvis that doesn't mean I met Elvis."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou preach here because most people here are historically illiterate and don't realize that most academics wouldn't even considering half of what you wrote to be arguments against his existence.\nChristianity was barely a blip on the radar when Philo died. ? And by normal standards Paul would be considered contemporary with Jesus, heck, even Mark would be. Further we know the Greek Christians had ties to Israel, at least at first, inscriptions and extra biblical literature prove this.\nWe don't have originals of most books written in the 1st century. We date such books based on the style they are written in and mentions in other sources. That's also how we know they aren't translations of Aramaic books. Textual criticism tells us these things."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nSure bro, the Jew god writes books but makes sure no originals survive, only scraps and no compete manuscripts for four centuries. Great fucking plan."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Christianity was barely a blip on the radar\nDo we know this or is it a rationalization for the lack of evidence? According to the magic jew story it was a big deal."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>>4\nActs 9 clearly says that he spoke to Jesus, and Jesus identified himself to Paul. He was awake"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Do we know this?\nWe know that it was an extremely small movement untill Paul's preaching yes. It was certainly growing, enough that it survived the Jewish wars, albeat perhaps changed in some ways by them, but it wasn't the kind of movement it would be by the second century.\n>According to the magic jew story it was a big deal.\nYes well the historical Jesus theory isn't about supporting Christianity and in fact many conservative Christians reject it as unbiblical. Its about what can we say about Jesus and his followers as as much certainty as is possible given the available evidence."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">born as a son of JW believer\n\n>stop believing in God in my mind\n\n>read ero manga which is forbidden for JW believers\n\n>my mom realizes\n\n>come through very harsh time\n\n>two elders visits my home to handle this problem\n\n>they asks me if I read bestiality, homosexuality, group sex by many people and so on\n\nI'm pretty sure only me went through this among you guys......"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwack"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The closest I got was getting caught watching invader zim porn by my very religious sister as a teenager. She just said \"Don't watch that stuff ok?\" \"Yea I promise\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou were lucky well"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>two elders visit my home\n\nYou got lucky you didn’t get molested"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In modern economics, economic growth is the generally accepted goal for all government institutions. Economists defend that only through economic growth that humanity can achieve better livelihood and if infinite growth is not achieved, modern government institution would collapse. But is infinite growth achievable? Given the general belief that human's needs and wants are unlimited, and that there's only finite amount of resources on this planet?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly if some people are regularly destroyed to allow growth on the ruins. You cannot have infinite growth and globalist one world government at the same time, only individual nations may grow on top of others. The current system is already failing, China must be destroyed."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>economic growth is the generally accepted goal for all government institutions.\nThis bothers me too.\nI thought government should only care about administering justice and stuff. And yet it keeps intervening in the economy. Proponents of economic growth criticize the government intervention when it hurts economic growth, but only a few of them would do the same when the opposite happens.\n\nYou can't run a country like a private, for-profit company."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nwell if you consider how the government fund itself, its pretty clear why infinite growth must be achieved."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYes. Fiat money is part of this entire scheme. It puts the burden on the future generations, which is just sad."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There is literally no counterargument to this assertion.\nCatholics will supply the most retarded possible defenses like \"Cannibalism is when you only eat PART of a person\" or \"Cannibals don't eat an entire person in one bite\"\nWhich is an obvious deflection.\nA 2-week-old fetus is small enough to easily gulp down whole without breaking its body in your mouth. Not a single Catholic on the fucking planet would pretend that wasn't cannibalism.\nObviously something being cannibalism has nothing to do with how many bites you take or how many bones you leave.\nAnd all they have to say is \"it's cannibalism but it's fine in this very specific instance because Jesus said we should do it\"\nBut they can't fucking say that. Because the church is all about aesthetics and depends entirely on people being able to bludgeon anybody who brings logic into the debate.\nAnyway, Catholics would all consider themselves cannibals if any of them actually believed the cracker turns into Jesus. But let's be real nobody actually thinks that's true."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Jesus said its real flesh. The early Church is universally documented to have believed its real flesh. Case closed. You’re free to not be a Nicene Christian if you disagree."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Cannibalism is when you only eat PART of a person\nCannibalism is when you eat a person. What do bland crackers and non-alcoholic wine have to do with that?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nso you agree it is cannibalism.\n>>3\nexactly"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Jesus is the Word. You become what you eat. Lawyers will not have much hope."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>so you agree it is cannibalism\nYeah why not. Someone afraid or ashamed of the teaching of Christ is no friend of him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were the Greeks fixated on cultivating masculinity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAryan EHG ancestry."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey found it hot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat culture was not fixated on that"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nsome cuck culture OP is from, apparently"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally every civilization was\n\nWhat a retarded faggot post"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreeks believed in balance; they thought that great wits also require a fit body as a counter balance. In essence, noble Greeks just didn't want to be faggot (pun intended) nerds."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nwhat’s the pun"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nle gayreeks"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery culture that ever amounts to anything cultivates it's masculine. All cultures that become more feminine through androgynization decay and rot away, collapsing inwards or being conquered by a masculine foreign group. This is a universal truth since before the dawn of civilization, and it doesn't take a particularly intelligent or wise person to see this truth."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>>6\nThis.\n/thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This will be China once we take care of that little communist problem"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCringe, the whole thing should belong to Mongolia"}, {"id": 3, "content": "This was basically 1930's pre-war China and OP's thread has historical precedent. I hope you're right OP."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Taiwan claims Tibet and Mongolia"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I love these out of touch balkanisation maps.\n\n>>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>Manchuria\n>Mongolia\nYou do realise those are majority Chinese regions now? They have no reason to leave if you give everyone a vote.\n\nAnd you've also given Tibet several majority Chinese regions. East Turkestan? Gonna have a civil War at best if you claim all that."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I have my doubts about this OP"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is the Russian Republic and what's different between it and the current Russian Federation?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIt's the kind of map that every anti-China person posts, with very little understanding of the demographics. Which is why I laugh when I hear that one Uighur dude call for the Chinese to go 'South of the Shanhai Pass where they originally belong' while simultaneously saying they want to co-exist with the Chinese. That shit don't work unless you want to roll history back to the 1600s and remove the Qing from existence.\n\nEither these people read some crap as dumb as Chinese nationalist material, or they are calling for a genocide, and unironically think an ethnic cleansing would work.\n\nTo which I must ask- guess who has the guns? Now ask yourself what would happen in a War."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOther dumb shit I've read is some Manchurian Nationalist/Monarchist use the old Five Colour Flag (NOT ethnic Manchu nationalism), while calling for a restoration of the Aisin-Gioro. The modern Aisin Gioro are compromised as fuck and members of the CCP."}, {"id": 10, "content": "The wise mapmaker seeking to carve up and divide a country makes use of real and contemporary divides, rather than historical ones that are obsolete or otherwise based on wishful thinking.\n\nTibet proper could, at a time of suitably catastrophic Chinese weakness and distraction, be taken over by India and its geopolitical orientation be changed completely.\n\nTaiwan also could be permanently separated from China. If an invasion doesn't happen in the next few decades, all Taiwan needs to do is wait for precisely the right moment at which China is not in a position to retaliate (that need only arise once in a generation) and a successful declaration of independence could be made.\n\nHong Kong is realistically doomed in the long run, since it's a small territory and just a few hundred thousand mainland migrants being pumped in every few years is enough to weaken the local identity and boost the ranks of the DAB. Still, the majority opinion IS against Beijing as of today: and if something truly catastrophic were to happen to China tomorrow, a total change in the situation isn't inconceivable."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Manchuria\n>Inner Mongolia\nBoth of these places are majority Han now, the Manchus barely even exist now and the language has been destroyed. If these two places didn’t immediately become some warlord’s fiefdom, they would reunite with China proper overnight. Independent Tartary would be cool thougheverbeit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nManchuria, or Manchukuo can only exist as a multi-ethnic state. Even during their puppet state era they tried to pretend to be a multi-ethnic state. That is what the five-coloured flag actually represents, they just switched out the Tibetans and Uighurs for Japanese (friends) and Korean (friends).\n\nTo do that you'd need a region wide change of identity in the Northeast, something that barely exists unless all the old people there get really pissed off by the government. And yes old people. Northeast is the Rustbelt of China. Hardly the time to secede and more likely to be bitching they don't get enough pension or there's too many blacks kissing Chinese now."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>>8\n\n>lmao Manchuria cant exist because its the same ethnicity\n\n>What do you mean Austria and Germany are two seperate nations?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>there's too many blacks kissing Chinese now\n\nHello, American."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would you want to balkanise China?\nYou Americans cheered when the Soviet Union collapsed and it made the world even more unstable and dangerous."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQuintesentially anglodite post. Divide and rule eurasia? It wont work this time\n>>2\nYes, Ukraine should conquer Russia and Belarus that also works\n>>3\nChina will grow big"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nWhat's the implication of china moving up the value chain and compete directly with western companies?\nThe next 10 years will see chinese companies reduce American companies' profit margins to zero."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nKek, based. Be careful, anon, you might collapse the brainlet of the retards in this thread."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nWesterners seething and attempting to stiffle chinese technology by trying to block high tech components... Which just prompts China to develop their own\nAlready happened with microchips and they are setting up their own production now and trying to leapfrog ahead of the west"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nBoth America and China should balkanize. So should Russia. Every single country on this godforsaken planet should. Even fucking Belgium or Switzerland."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n\nIn fact, even Luxemburg, Andorra, and the fucking Vatican State should !!!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nLuxembourg sure, Andorra and the Vatican state are already at an ideal size."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nAustria and Germany are only separate because they're forced to be after Germany lost a world war. Hitler marched into Austria and was greeted by cheers."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nConsidering how Austria willingly joined anschluss while other countries had to be annexed by force you're just proving his point"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Paradox games and their consequences have been a disaster for the autist race"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nCope. Maybe he was greeted by a bunch of 1940's chuds but that's it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>Killed Dolfuss\n>Coerced Austria into anschluss\n\nThey were happy that they were not bombed to smithereens. Austrians never truly wished to be under g*rmoid rule and always cheered on their sense of independence and autonomy from G*rmany. Imagine thinking a people with a strong catholic monarchist tradition would want to be under a sick, suicidal, warmongering mostly pr*ttie nation\nFucking nationalists and their sick delusions."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>independent tibet\nChiang-Kai‐shek-niggers are even worse than commies"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYunan is less Chinese than manchuria but most HOI4 players wouldn't know that"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nalmost this\n>manchuria and korea to japan\n>tibet is one with bhutan and nepal\n>mongolia is one as well\n>hong kong to britain\n>macau to portugal"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">No one has said to give it all to Japan\nI miss when this was a weeb website"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\n>>27\nNice same faggot post, the people of Austria voted to join Germany and were forcefully partitioned by occupying armies.\n\nWhy are allied powercels chronic liars bros?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>voted to join Germany\n>with this ballot"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nWhat ballot did the allied occupiers give the people of Austria?\n\nAlso the preunification Austrian government was seriously considering restoring the inbred, cousin fucking, Hapsburgs who just got BTFO in the Great War and had their empire collapse into ethnic infighting."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nDumb chud fuck. Fuck off."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>Also the preunification Austrian government was seriously considering restoring the inbred, cousin fucking, Hapsburgs who just got BTFO in the Great War and had their empire collapse into ethnic infighting.\n\nSounds great. Much better than unifying with a pr*ssia dominated shithole like g*rmany."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nGo jack off to more incest porn you inbred yokel"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>14\nCan you imagine them having sex or something, anon?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>27\n>>36\nThe Allies after WW1 literally had to force Austria to sign a treaty stating it wouldn't attempt to reunify with Germany after WW1\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Saint-Germain-en-Laye_(1919)\nRead a book or fuck off back to /vst/"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nSo what?? That was just in case they became retarded and wanted to unify with g*rmany. Didnt mean they wanted to.\n>fuck off back to /vst/\nKek was actually on /vst/ a few min ago not gonna lie, I'll give you that."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>24\n\nIt actually proves MY point, because op scenario is that China is divided DUE to a war, so the enforced Austrian separation of Versailles only mirrors op scenario.\n\nOnly thing Americans need to do during the aftermath of this war is to make sure no Ching Chong Hitler rises to power and tries to unify Manchuria with China.\nEventually they will developed their own identity, just as Macedonians and Austrians and Norwegians and Belarusian."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nWe would nuke the earth before allowing that to happen. A world without China is not one worth existing"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nWell, they were retarded then because that's what they wanted to do prior to the treaty (and after it as well)\n>Kek was actually on /vst/ a few min ago not gonna lie, I'll give you that.\nYeah, it's easy to tell from your shitposting about \"le f*ckin g*rms\""}, {"id": 44, "content": "how to balkanize china forever:\n1. romanize the language\n2. break it up along \"dialect\" lines\n50 years time none of them will be able to understand each other, the kids won't know how to read characters, any ethnic link they had will be irrelevant"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>Ethnic link\n\nThey barely have any, have you seen what \"han\" chinese actually are?? Just a generic term for a fuckload of actual ethnicities. It's like calling \"western european\" an ethnicity. China are larping retards."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>It's like calling \"western european\" an ethnicity.\nWhich it is"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nOh, didnt know a sicilian was the same as a dane. Or a galician the same as a finn. Fucking retard."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>13\n>What do you mean Austria and Germany are two seperate nations?\nwhat a retarded comparison to make"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nMore or less\nThe inability to see this led to the collective suicide of European civilization in the world wars"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n\nA separation of Germany and Austria was originated from and enforced by a peace treaty.\nGermany and Ausria has the same ethnic population.\n\nOP presents a map of China and Manchuria separated as a result from an enforced peace treaty.\nChina and Manchuria has the same ethnic population.\n\nWhy is it a retarded comparison to make?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are insane, dude. Han Chinese people are the majority in all of those provinces (especially Greater Tibet, like lmao). If those countries were free, the Han Chinese majority would take power democratically and simply peacefully reunify with China.\nMongolia is particularly egregious. Not only are Mongolians outnumbered ~5mil - 1mil in Inner Mongolia, but there are only ~3.5 million Mongolians *in* Mongolia. Mongolians would become a minority in their own country, just by annexing a single Chinese province.\nEven if the Han Chinese people went along with this and decided to take up horse-riding or something, \"China\" would still be a nation of some 800+ million people, including most of the industrialized and wealthy regions. China would still remain as a foremost power in the region.\nChina has split and reunified countless times over its history. Even if you somehow did split it up again, how will you stop it from reunifying - permanently?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nA bavarian has nothing to do with a holateiner, faglord."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>40\nI mean imagine if Canada collapsed and everything besides Ontario was lost to a foreign power. It wouldn't be unthinkable that Canadians would want to unify with the United States and regain the benefits of being apart of a great power.\nThis is further compounded because of the radical Socialism in Austria at the time (Vienna was actually called \"Red Vienna\") and the Socialist regime in Hungary.\nRemember, lastly, that Germany was a very new country as well at the time. Incorporating an additional German province isn't really that strange.\nUltimately, though, you are correct that it wasn't a wholly voluntary affair and it wouldn't have happened without military intervention. National Socialist Austrians assassinated their Fascist dictator, who had been aligned with Mussolini against Hitler - interestingly. It made a lot of sense for the countries to unify, but every power in Europe was working to stop it + the Austrians didn't really want it."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nHolsteiner*\n\n>>49\nThe world wars were caused by a mix of nationalism, secularism, protestantism, centralism and socialism. Europe must become a highly decentralized catholic civilization if it ever wants to thrive again."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nBecause Austria was enjoying a continuous sovereignty that lasted for hundreds of years prior. Austria was never split off from Germany, but prohibited to join it.\n\"Germany\" does not have authority to unilaterally annex all German-speaking countries. Just because you LARP as *the* German state doesn't mean you actually are, and it doesn't mean countries like Austria, Luxembourg, Switzerland, or Lichtenstein have to join you.\nOP's proposal is to force a province to separate from the main body, based on it being a separate \"country\" - what, before the Qing Dynasty? Insofar as Jurchen savages can even be a country lol. Or do you mean under Japan's illegal puppet regime? The people of Manchuria have no reason to go along with this. If you give them an ounce of freedom, they will vote to reunify with China itself - assuming China is also free, I suppose."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh look, yet another retarded anglofag carving up land without any regard for anything"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nThey are really trying to square the circle with handling China. Realistically, the country's is too strong to be broken up. We could barely hope to win a conventional war with China and it would utterly break the American world order to fight it.\nOur best bet is to keep China in its box and hope it succumbs to infertility. The issue is that China will see the writing on the wall and realize that they must make a move while they still can."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>it would utterly break the American world order to fight it.\nyou're kidding right\none bomb on the three gorges dam and half of china loses power"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nThe 3GD can survive a nuclear blast. In the worst case scenario they can also just adjust Baihetan or Gezhouba which are upstream/downstream. Finally in that event every US city is getting nuked, and the Mississippi is getting salt bombed and irradiated."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nBasically:\nWar... War has changed. The last real naval war was fought almost a century ago in the Pacific. It was during that war that nation's saw the incredible power of aircraft. No longer would the sea be ruled from the waves, but from the sky.\nNaval warfare has evolved once again. Today, the sea is ruled from the land. Anti-ship ballistic missiles are brutally effective. With a single strike, they can obliterate billions of dollars in naval hardware and kill hundreds or even thousands of soldiers. Even a second-rate power like Ukraine, when equipped with Western hardware, was able to easily sink Russian vessels. The losses from a single successful strike are so high that the enemy is forced to abandon all but the safest naval actions.\nNow consider America's position. The entire strait to Taiwan can be covered with anti-ship missiles, as well as the entire Chinese coast. We cannot properly engage with the Chinese mainland, nor can we close the maritime corridor to Taiwan's western coast (which is the only portion appropriate for an amphibious assault). We also cannot bottle up the Chinese navy, just as the Germans could not be bottled up in the last world war; their raiders will be able to harass any supply conveys we send to Taiwan with impunity.\nThe worst part, however, is actually in Korea. At any time, the North Koreans could launch an assault. We cannot push north, because they will utilize nuclear weapons against us. For the entire course of the war, we will be forced to maintain a proper defense in South Korea, while waging this huge war with China.\nNow, remember the numerous domestic issues that America is gripped with. We are spending about 10% of our expenses on simply interest to the debt and it will only increase as our debt balloons to genuinely ridiculous proportions. We simply CANNOT afford to build fleets and send them at China. We are broke before the war even started, like Britain was in WW2."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNIGGER"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\n>Our best bet is to keep China in its box and hope it succumbs to infertility.\nThis but reversed. All China has to do is avoid direct war with the West for the next 30 or so years, sit back and watch the West slowly weaken and collapse in on itself due to internal forces. The day we elect our first trans non-binary president is the day China takes Taiwan."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\n>With a single strike, they can obliterate billions of dollars in naval hardware and kill hundreds or even thousands of soldiers.\nNot necessarily the case yet but I suspect this will become increasingly true going forward and the Ukraine incident you mentioned is a good portender"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>57\n>Our best bet is to keep China in its box and hope it succumbs to infertility.\nI still think China is better off with a lower population than the USA will be with importing infinity spics and nigs"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n>>8\n>>51\n\nEast Turkestan will be free. And it will be glorious."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nYour turkroach cousins will disappear from existence"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nJIHAD ON CHICOMS"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>outer memegolia\n>>>memechuria\n>>>>>implying china would give up western china (always has been)\n>>>>>>>>tibet"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\nChina has just as many internal issues if not worse ones. For example, their industrial capacity has already peaked. While they are certainly developing their tech sector and service industries and their economy is still growing, their ability to produce military hardware will likely never be higher (unless they commit to radical proposals to increase it). Look at other countries in East Asia like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. All of them are staring down a fertility apocalypse where they lose half their population with each generation. A nation that loses half its population each generation can barely survive, let alone fight massive wars with millions of deaths.\nBy contrast, America's industry will increase indefinitely and its industrial base is actually make a small return.\nRight now, China is at the near-peak of its population, has reached peak industrial capacity, and has a surplus of ~55 million Chinese men. Right now is the moment for China to take Taiwan. That is precisely why I'm terrified."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>50\n>Why is it a retarded comparison to make?\nA millennia of being a mostly uninterrupted state, that Austria for hundreds of years had loose authority over the area that would later become Germany through a legitimate institution. Getting completely smashed in ww1 and reduced to current borders those people were done and would rather deal with their own kind after centuries of putting up with a bunch of different nationalities that largely got them nowhere so it can't be blamed they wanted to fold into Germany especially without a Habsburg monarch to try and stop it. There is precedence besides wanting to stick it to Germany for them being independent. The Manchu hillbilly tribes by way of might makes right btfo'd Ming and incorporated their territory into that existing state becoming the Qing. Now Manchuria is full of pure blooded Han mutts as is most of China. Those peoples ancestors(well not all of them) did not rule over a Manchurian state because they were down south in China proper. If you went in there and ripped the two apart like the pic, unless A. a best korea/south korea situation arises or B. its heavily enforced by outside forces which will probably make the two parts want to reunify even more. Other than that they'd probably try to reintegrate in a number of ways over time if left to their own devices. What's left of the Manchu might like that, but they're a minority in their land."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tibet\nFigures that “anti-communists” support literal pedophile"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>62\nChina is doomed, nigger. Their nation is a dead nation. Same with the rest of all the other nations. This is a dead planet and most people still havent woken up to that fact. There will be no China, no Russia, no America and no Europe a hundred years from now. Warring, mad maxian neo-feudalist tribes and statelets at most."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nHow so? Ocean acidification kills sea life and causes ecological collapse? Or microplastic bioamplification starts choking higher order organisms? Or some sort of nuclear catastrophe?"}, {"id": 74, "content": "TOTAL NON-HAN NIGGER DEATH\nTOTAL NON-HAN NIGGER DESTRUCTION"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\n>MUH DALI LAMA\n\nNot an argument for colonization\n\nGet jihaded loser"}, {"id": 76, "content": "China would turn into a Han supremacist empire after total commie death, millions of minorities will die."}, {"id": 77, "content": "Based Xi-sama will rule from Siberia to Moscow, from the arctic to Sydney or something"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\nA synesthesic mix of several different factors. War, demographic collapse, economic collapse, climate change (naturally caused), ideological/political insanity, industrial chemical shit fucking up our biology, stuff like that. Not even taking into account unpredictable black swan events.\nEnjoy this century, this is as far as human civilization, technology wise, will go."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>69\n>That is precisely why I'm terrified.\n\nAre you taiwanese/in taiwan?"}, {"id": 80, "content": "Total non-Han destruction after red China’s collapse"}, {"id": 81, "content": "Xi-Khan will recreate a Han-Mongolian empire"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>75\nHere we see the effects of centuries of Islamic inbreeding"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">release another islamic shithole that will definitely not turn on you\n>release another religious shithole that will definitely not turn on you\n>piss off your allies by not rewarding them for their efforts and make a puppet state instead\n>strenghten a russian puppet state with your other hand\n>make a country that was born out of nationalism in ww2, definitely will end well\nwhy are chuds so fucking dumb and bad at geopolitics"}, {"id": 84, "content": "Tibetan human rights > Tibetan sovereignty\n\nLama was skinning people and shieet"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nNot an excuse of colonization\n\nEuroids can't claim the bad actions of previous regimes were justification for colonizing the world, just as China can not make the same claim.\n\nIf you DO want to make that claim, then jihadi fighters from central Asia coming to slaughter chicoms is justified because communists are putting Muslims in concentration camps.\n\nSo which one is it?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nWhichever one is better for China of course."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>Not an excuse of colonization\nWhy do we need an excuse \"chud anon\"?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nCrying about the policies of pre-colonial Tibet is an excuse, so ask the person who made that post"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>Crying about the policies of pre-colonial Tibet\nWhy would I cry about it? We destroyed them and liberated their serfs to become loyal to us. Then BTFO the Indians who tried to start shit. Nothing but total Chinese victory to celebrate"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nThat's colonization, China must decolonize the region\n\n>beat India\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77gmc1WY49Y&t=4s [Embed]"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nMakes sense you're a pajeey. Can you tell me what happened in 1962?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n>That's colonization, China must decolonize the region\nWhy?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You can see the demons piloting their flesh suits"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat also applies to you"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you seen a tranny?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthe one to the left of ben Franklin looks like a real lesbian though"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>ben Franklin\nlel"}, {"id": 6, "content": "true"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Expensive healthcare.\nStroads.\nGun violence.\nRampant obesity.\nGlobal empire that benefits no one in America and makes everyone else hate us.\nWorst accents in the English language.\nBoring history.\nAll our unique culture doesn't even get recognized as American because it became so popular everyone else just views it as normal.\nOur leaders just continuously want to import third worlders until none of us are left.\n\nWhy did God hate me so much? I could've been Swiss."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Boring history.\nif America was able to dominate and subvert the entire world in 150 years, i can only assume that it has an interesting history\n>All our unique culture doesn't even get recognized as American because it became so popular everyone else just views it as normal.\nour culture was exported to the rest of the world, which is why it is not really seen as special"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So what was the meaning of fascism exactly? Did fascist regimes initially emerge to protect Big Capital from the communist threat? Or to more efficiently secure colonies? Or simply to replace the power vacuum following decline of monarchies?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSaying that fascism exists to protect capital is commucuckold historical revisionism. Fascism is when the state controls corporations, not the other way around. Instead of corporations chasing profits to the detriment of the citizens in the nation the state guides the flow of capital to benefit the state and its citizens through intensive, directed development wheee it is most needed."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFascism is when you want everyone to think your opponent is evil and \"communist\" just won't cut it, or when someone else wants everyone to think you're evil and you've already called them a communist, depending on whichever end of the eleutheromaniac horseshoe you're closer to."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIs this the birth of a new, epic meme?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "As tempting as it is to impose a consistent ideology on fascism, so that we can larp a three-way clash of worldviews in the twentieth century, the sad truth is that there was none. Mussolini changed his opinion every time he opened his mouth. The only consistent theme was that all power should be given to him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The nature of the Jew summarized in a few words"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Christ’s body is really in the Eucharist but I don’t believe in transubstanciation.\nHow is this not hairsplitting semantics? Am I just ignorant regarding his actual theology?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What is theology but the hairsplitting discipline"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe believed that the substance of bread persisted in the sacrament"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I think the difference lies in the concept that although the body of christ is in fact in the eucharist, the bread remains bread on a physical level."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIs this why monks are bald?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Philosophy ruined Roman Catholicism."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIncredible that it took 1500 years to figure this out"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHe was wrong (Rome is wrong too)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI infer that your position is that the Eucharist is only symbolic?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>Incredible that it took 1500 years to figure this out\nTransubstantiation was only dogmatized in the 13th century, due to the influence of Thomism (Aristotelianism). Before that everyone treated it just as a theory and speculation, not a doctrine of the church."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "wtf are levantines south european rapebabies???\n>A study carried out on skeletons at Ashkelon in 2019 by an interdisciplinary team of scholars from the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History and the Leon Levy Expedition found that human remains at Ashkelon, associated with Philistines during the Iron Age, derived most of their ancestry from the local Levantine gene pool, but with a certain amount of Southern-European-related admixture. This confirms previous historic and archaeological records of a Southern-European migration event.[77] The DNA suggests an influx of people of European heritage into Ashkelon in the twelfth century BC. The individuals' DNA shows similarities to that of ancient Cretans, but it is impossible to specify the exact place in Europe from where Philistines had migrated to Levant, due to limited number of ancient genomes available for study, \"with 20 to 60 per cent similarity to DNA from ancient skeletons from Crete and Iberia and that from modern people living in Sardinia.\"[134][77]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nope, wops (slave equipment) could rape nobody. Those were Caucasian rapebabies."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nare sardinians, cretans, iberians caucasian???"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>and that from modern people living in Sardinia.\"\nSo Sea People are confirmed to have been EEF rapefugees now? Sherden theory always was convincing to me."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the truth about Jordan Peterson?\nIs he just spewing a bunch of psuedo bs, or is he some Random Prophet."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Latin or Germanic"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If it ain't German it ain't white"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShitalian clay 100% Any argument for it being Germanic leads to walls of text of cope. (It's is very hard to come up with a definition of Germanic that has nothing to do with language and does not include Slavs as Germanic)\n>>2\nProud to be unwhite."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnapoleon III was dutch though, mf doesn't even look like napolen"}, {"id": 5, "content": "white\nlatin\ngermanic\n\nlets fight to the death over pointless-nothingchanging labels instead of uniting as europeans\n\nmorons"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorth is Germanic.\nSouth is Latin.\nI demand a free Occitania.\nAnd someone fucking give Corsica to Italy already, what a travesty that shit is still going."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Frankish elite, Gaulish peasantdom, Latin larp"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nFrankish Wannabe-Roman elite and Romanized Gaulish peasantdom. Latin larp indeed.\nIn all fairness was there even a trace of Gaulish-ism Gaule by the time Rome fell?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nProud to be non white\nT. Briddish"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Celtic"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\ni think gaulish was spoken in certain regions of france still, but not much, maybe some cultural synchretisms? french proper are gaul descended still."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\nimagine the smell."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermans themselves are half med in denial, just go down to Frankfurt and see what I’m saying"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nok methinks based"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nAnd what of Wales?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nBased."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nnorthern french are mostly gaul"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am Latin, and nothing you g*Rms say can ever change that, forestniggers"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Muh hablogops\nlollololololololololololololol"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Charles de Gaulle is on record as stating his opinion that \"For me, the history of France begins with Clovis, elected as king of France by the tribe of the Franks, who gave their name to France. Before Clovis, we have Gallo-Roman and Gaulish prehistory. The decisive element, for me, is that Clovis was the first king to have been baptized a Christian. My country is a Christian country and I reckon the history of France beginning with the accession of a Christian king who bore the name of the Franks.\"[16]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nWales and Cornwell is where elves and faeries are hiding, waiting to reclaim Albion from humans."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nI might not be white but at least I am human unlike Krauts."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\ndeep..."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\nAbsolutely based. Corsicans are literally just italians."}, {"id": 25, "content": "Ethnic Gauls with a very few roman and german blood. Latin and catholic culture make the French identity.\n\nAdd the celtic periphery like Britanny, the pre indo European like the Basque, the Italian like the Corsican and the German like the Flemish or the Alsatian."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermanic"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCelto-Latin"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nthey could or couldn't be, italian is a made up ethnicity and nationality.\nas it stands today they're french."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>They speak italian\n>a variant of central italian to be exact\n>they have been historically linked to italy than thy ever have been linked to any part of france\n>But that doesn't matter becuse friuli and sicily or some shit. Now francify you stupid wop everyone must be included into globoparis."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nNot white means there is a high chance you aren`t considered human by whites.\nAnd the ancestors of the french are frogs."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nceltic in the north and central france\ngermanic in the east\nlatin in the south"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>6\nCorsicans hardly consider themselves italians though"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nGermano-gaulish*"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\nImagine how delusional are rat-featured arabic moors to think they look remotely similar to dark haired germans kek"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nhummels look more iberian than german desu"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nIt's weird that amerimutts delude themselves this hard into thinking anyone with tanned skin and a strong jawbone must be a med."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>strong jawbone must be a med.\n??? meds tend to have weak arab rat jaws similar to saudis, somalis and other bulbheaded oriental races"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>20\nWasn't this guy just an english puppet? Why did they name so many things after him?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>5\n>>>/pol/"}, {"id": 41, "content": "A bunch of Celts who cope with Germans and British calling them swathoids by comparing themselves to their latin Mediterranean neighbours in the South, from time to time they larp as Meds because they have the fetish of being liberal humanist renaissance artists or because they get to pretend to be Catholics by not daring to get fully involved with Lutherans / Calvinists like their neighbors to the north"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>>26\nThey aren't swarthy at all"}, {"id": 43, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>27\nDat a Spanish"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrench is so different from all other romance languages, it definitely must be highly Germanised."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>France\n>Latin or Germanic\n\nNafri"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nIt's literally Descartes."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>33\nMostly Gaul"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nPhonologically it has nothing in common with germanic languages. It just sounds weird."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>39\nDe Gaulle made the British and Americans seethe because he refused to be their puppet. When the Allied armies liberated France, he immediately declared the creation of a new French government without consulting them, which blew up their plans for reorganizing France. Later, he pulled France out of NATO, started an independent nuclear weapons program, and supported a European alliance that would oppose both the Soviets and the Americans."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nWhat do you men plans tp reorganize france? Were they going to do to france what they did to the other smaller euro nations (well just the netherlands maybe Belgium too) and what thesociets did to eastern europe?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nMostly frankish"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nFDR wanted France to be treated as an occupied territory and put under the control of an Allied military government, with everything that would entail."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>48\nLooks East Prussian"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nWHY? That makes no fucking sense. Sounds like a plucky little poland moment."}, {"id": 56, "content": "Afro-Asiatic and Niger-Congo."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nSpic"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nYeah he does kinda look like a spic"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nNah you are a spic\n\nHoffmann was jewish"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>54\n>Looks East Prussian\nLooks German\n>>59\n>Hoffmann was jewish\nHe wasn't"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>52\nMostly Gaul"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nFrankish\nHer father was descended from occitans and (((bankers))) from switzerland"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>9\nEnglish is a Germanic language. Anglo-Saxons are named such because they originally come from Anglia and Saxony, regions in northern Germany."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nGaul\n>occitans\n>switzerland\nCeltic bvlls too"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\n>Really if you reduce the definition of French to only include the inhabitants of 3 and a half villages in pas de Calais I'm right.\nRegardless eye and hair color cannot be used to determine germanicness given that these features aren't germanic exclusive.\n>>58\nSanta anna was criollo.\n>>64\nWhen you say something so Austrian you get hit with the\n>\n>\n>\nstare"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>26\nLe germanic face"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nLooks frankish"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>Regardless eye and hair color cannot be used to determine germanicness given that these features aren't germanic exclusive\nGermanic-bell beaker mixed groups had them in lower incidence tho"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>27\n>>48\n>>61\n>>64\n>>66\nPostmedieval noblemen and intellectuals are celto-latin, peasants are celto-germanic."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>my ancestor :)"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nClearly a bell beaker woman\nGenetically hiperdivergent from them. Frannkish-beaker without a doubt"}, {"id": 72, "content": "..."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>he posted the half medici quarter byzantine creaturas.\nDios mio"}, {"id": 74, "content": "Its over"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\n>Louis XIII\nMother is marie di medici. Half italian\nAnd his father was 1/8 italian 1/4 spic\nThis is what his ancestors non-stained by italian ancestry looked like"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nGreat French are even darker than great Italians on average, lol."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>72\nCherry picked noblemen vs Actual French people"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>65\n>Santa anna was criollo.\ncriollo is buzzword tier. a mestizo was called criollo as long as they were higher class"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>unknown\nTotally brown-eyed/dark-haired men, lol"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>73\n>>75\n>>77\nInteresting.\nTurns out Napoleon wasn't the first wog that ruled over the French."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCelts that speak latin because they spent 500 years under roman colonization and larped as germans for a while because they got colonized by german monarch for 1000 years"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>26\nLooks like my old college classroom in Portugal. I guess we wuz germanz now?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n?"}, {"id": 84, "content": "Once race the human race"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>unknown\n1vs30"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nUnironic face blindness. of the people in the picture is unironically blonde."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nYes, you have face blindness."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nLmao.\nThis nigga cant recognize dyed bitches"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nI can and this doesn't look like that.\n>>87\nyou too buddy, we can work through this together."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nThere is no blonde southroons\nThe only blondes are hair dyed women. Which is why you will never find a male with light hair on a crowd"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nOh I am starting to understand who you are. My apologies for feeding you."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>27\n>>48\n>>64\n>>66\n>>69\n>>76\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>79\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nConclusion: disproportionate predominance of Gallo-Latin genetics in great French"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nSo you're just going to ignore all the light Frenchmen i've posted?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nConclussion: absolute enslavement and exterminion of latin genetics in french.\nOverrepresentatiion of frankish and bell beaker genetics"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\nYou are posting literally whos minority, it's irrelevant, sorry"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\nBrown eyed Latin-Gaul bvll. Based"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>Literal King of France\n>nobody\nIdiot"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nBell beaker (frankish-gaulish)\nLatins were exterminated and thrown into baskets to fed pigs when franks conquered them"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Latin or Germanic\nBoth\n>>36\nHummels doesn't look Iberian at all. He, like other swarthy Germans, looks Central European. Occitans on the other hand often look Iberian which isn't surprising.\n>>27\n>Celto-Latin\nOnly in the south + Paris region\n>>33\n>Germano-gaulish*\nOnly in the North and East\n>>76\n>Great French are even darker than great Italians on average, lol.\n*Occitans"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn old texts they used to be referred to as Latins, but of course, Alsace and Lorraine natives are Germanic."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>80\nYes, the cause of french monarchy going from the most powerful to the first monarchy on europe to be overtrown is how the became genetically rotten by mixing with medicis.\nOther borbons still looked normal tho"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nWe're all Latins to the Orthodox so *shrug*"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nThis is what underperforming in life while blonde does to a person."}, {"id": 104, "content": "According to the French themselves, southern French people are \"Mediterranean bastards\" (does that count as \"Latins\"?).\n\nIt looks like all big sized Latin nations have some sort of \"anti-Southerner\" narrative going on."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n>french monarchs mix with italian nobles\n>suddenly french monarchy is the first one to collapse\n\nBtw. Reminder tha t the house of stuart in england literally collapsed after the first half italian mutt and then they got replaced by saxe coburgs because of that.\n\nIs a death sentence to mix with medicis"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nAccording to one guy, to be exact. You can find a guy saying whatever the fuck you want, I have found anthropologists from the 19th century speaking on the Mongolian element in the Germanic race. That doesn't mean it was a very popular standpoint, just that a guy held that viewpoint and published it."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n> I have found anthropologists from the 19th century speaking on the Mongolian element in the Germanic race.\nProve it"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>104\n>Below the Loire, nothing but rottenness, laziness, filthy mischief\nThe Visigoths did indeed do a lot of harm"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>92\n>disproportionate predominance of Gallo-Latin genetics in great French\nThat is only true for southern French people. Also, it's not a disproportionate predominance as the majority of French people have dark eyes and hair."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\npic\n>Four European populations were considered: north westEurope (GBR,n=85 and CEU,n=94), Spain (IBS,n=107) and Italy (TSI,n=104).\n>As expected, the contribution from north-westEurope (CEU and GBR) was more marked in the north than in the south of France where, instead, the contribution from southern Europe was stronger."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>74\n>virgin\nLol I read Shakespeare, I know all about her..."}, {"id": 112, "content": "french tend to fall in between NW europe and SW europe, but nowhere close greece and southern italy, north french are more related to belgians, germans dutch and british than they are to north iberians, but south french are the opposite. altough no french is more related to sicilians than it is to norwegians.\nfrench also lack middle easterner admixture, they have no north african, natufian or iranian introgressions, therefore they don't have the low iq genes associated with southern europe"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\n>>112\nGenetic affinity =#= Pigmentation"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nPosting some great fair pigmented Frenchmen, leaving out kings/nobility, starting with John Calvin."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nTheodore Beza, Calvin's successor."}, {"id": 116, "content": "Jannieeeeees delete this garbage thread that wont stop being fkooded bumped and spammed"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>108\n>lot of harm\nYou mean right of settlement"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>unknown\nHalf Scottish"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nHeh i like the gymnopedies"}, {"id": 120, "content": "Hadn't we already figured this out?\nsouth france is med\nmid is celt\nnorth is german"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nWrong\nAll of france is nafri"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>118\n>It was at Mainz on the Rhine that Rolland set Les Loups, where brother was drawn up against brother. Similarly, the French and the Germans, historic enemies, were historically brothers— Franks on both sides of the Rhine. And as he said in the preface to Dans la Maison (p. 1600), the river is enriched from both banks. From both banks Rolland drew his nature and the quality of his thought. He considered himself a “blondAryan of the North,” but at the same time a “pure representative of the French people” (Voyage, 325, 331)."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrench language is like 85% Latin and 10% Germanic. And yes, \"Latin\" purely is a linguistic adjective ever since the Italic tribes stopped being a thing."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nFrench words are not latin. They are pronounced, written and edpressed a different way. You may as well just call latin corded speech"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "whats his endgame"}, {"id": 2, "content": "annihilate the brownoids"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nmordvix is asiatic brownoid mutt"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbeing an autistic gay alien with glasses, that's going well for him so far"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Fucking faggot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKurgan burial in Ukraine just like his ancestors."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Mordvix, you will never be a R1b. You have no history, you have no art, you have no culture. You are a subhuman and homosexual creature twisted by delusions and historical revisionism into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.\nAll the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back R1b mock you. Historians are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.\nAncient R1b are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed R1b to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even R1a snowniggers who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a REAL man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk R1b to be friends with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected \"culture\".\nYou will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.\nEventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a R1a sl*ve is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably a R1a serf snownigger.\nThis is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou wouldn't happen to be Indian by any chance"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliterally who"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>2\nFunny thing he looks nothing like Yamnaya he larps as"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Darktroon enters the chat\nStop photoshopping pictures so that they are darker than they actually are you mentally ill freak."}, {"id": 12, "content": "total annihilation of alpine serfs"}, {"id": 13, "content": "What the fuck is this thread about? Is this some discord meme?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck is this creature"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nAbout an ugly autistic incel\n>>1 (OP)\nFuck he’s an ugly looking weirdo, no wonder he spends all his time sperging out here"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nYou have no right to call anybody a mentally ill freak you fucking schizo. I dnt even know who this supposed darkwitch troon is but just by virtue of seeing your retarded and autistic dysgenic self spam the board, I'm on his side"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nHe's a chud who likes to call people goblinito farming equipment"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nHel also cals people shitalians, medlets and medbugs"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n>>13\nIt's a russian autistic neo-nazi manlet incel who spams self-roleplay about being a steppe warrior raping everyone."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nCurrycel vs Slavcel"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\nA slav and a indian have a beef. The indian has a whole discord of trannies arround trying to groom the slav now"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">14 posters\nRent free."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nGay alien your starship has taken off without you"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nAryan chad"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTotal Hijra Humiliation."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSince he can't get a job he will just post anti italian and other D&C threads every single day of his life in his mom's basement between posting naked pics of himself to 2ch. Eventually he'll realize that no woman wants to be with a gay alien mongolian and he'll eventually rope himself bringing a final sigh of relief to any human being unfortunate enough to be related to him in any way."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>D&C"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>he looks like that and says that\nBased."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGrow an inch"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nYou will never be white, Ilya. Not in your wildest dreams."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this seriously the guy posting all the X is not white threads?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nYes, it's pretty sad. But then again it was to be expected that a pretty subnormal, disturbed indivudal would be behind such behavior.\n>>1 (OP)\nGoing back into the Oblivion character generator obviously"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>4\ntpbp"}, {"id": 34, "content": "I really hate Russians, most seem mentally fucked in the head. Even for 4chan standards."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>10\n>>16\nmentally ill jeet\nyou look nothing like the Aryans who dominated you\nyou look nothing like ANE\nyou have no blue eyed genes\nno blonde hair genes\nno fair skin genes\nyou are a jungle adapted pseudo-abo who got lost on their migration to asstralia."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>has to say whatever genes because he doesn't have blue eyes blonde hair or fair skin himself"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no muscle\n>no jaw\n>no body hair\nbasically a tranny"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>RACE IS EXCLUSIVELY COLOR\nreally did a number on you referring to your poop skin?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>all caps\nchill out ivanova, it's not your fault you're a manlet tatar"}, {"id": 40, "content": "So what made darktroon so mad today? I'm gonna suggest there really were some Kshatriyas humiliating her in Michigan."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLmao if I saw this faggot irl I'd kick his ass and bully this school shooter autistic weirdo"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>7\n>>1 (OP)\nI have no idea who this is but is this one of many persons that obsess over the hecking epic steppe people?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nyea"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't get this twink manlet. One day he's shilling for Slavs, the other day he makes negative threads and negative posts about Poles.\n\nIs it borderline personality disorder? Or something else?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would it be correct to say that the Spanish Empire was also a Holy Roman Empire of sorts? Being a confederated supranational catholic monarchy and all."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould it be correct to say that your rectum is a penis-recepticle of sorts?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Nothing after 49 BC was Rome."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nMaybe. But your mom's is an absolute certainty. I've empirically proved it in loco."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNot the point/question, retard."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Maybe.\nSource?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWrong"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Being a confederated supranational catholic monarchy and all.\nthats not the definition, the definition is being crowned as an Emperor. Official name of Spain in documents was \"Kingdom of Spain\" not \"The Empire\". Even Napoleon had better claims to be a HRE than Spain ever did, pope attending his coronation and referring to his state and law as \"The Empire\" in his excommunication letter and all."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThat's just a \"de jure\" kind of shit. I'm talking about \"de facto\" stuff, my nigra."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>I'm talking about \"de facto\" stuff\nthe problem is, only reason HRE existed and stayed alive was legalist autism"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 13, "content": "It was actually the true Holy Roman Empire, much more than those larping g*rmoids could ever wish to be"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI haven't laughed at a post this hard in a long time"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nNO.\n\nIT WAS A MONARCHICAL EMPIRE, NOT A MONARCHICAL CONFEDERATION; IT WAS THE HEIR OF ROMA, THOUGH."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn´t a confederation. Also viceroys served 4 years terms."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>>16\n\nThe HRE was also an \"Empire\" nominally but actually worked as loose confederation. Same with the Spanish Empire. Most regions under it were highly autonomous, loosely united only by a common religion and monarch."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n\n>The HRE was also an \"Empire\" nominally but actually worked as loose confederation. Same with the Spanish Empire.\n\n1. «SPANISH EMPIRE» IS A MISNOMER; IT WAS THE CATHOLICAL EMPIRE OF THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY.\n\n2. THE CATHOLICAL EMPIRE OF THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY WAS AN EMPIRE, BOTH, DE FACTO, AND DE IVRE.\n\n\n>Most regions under it were highly autonomous[...]\n\nAUTONOMY DOES NOT ENTAIL CONFEDERATION; THE EMPIRE WAS POLYSYNODIAL.\n\n\n[...] loosely united only by a common religion and monarch.\n\nALL PROVINCES OF THE EMPIRE WERE INTEGRATED UNDER THE MONARCHY; THERE WAS NOTHING «LOOSE» ABOUT IT."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNot saying the Spanish Monarchy was a bad thing or being a confederation is a bad thing (is the ideal political configuration actually, as long as having a monarch as a center) and not saying you're wrong, but I can't see how the \"Empire\" was as such except only nominally. Could you explain how it was an empire not only de jure but also de facto? Also could you tell me more about how the polysynodial system worked and how it is different from a confederated system??\nNot trying to be hostile or antagonizing btw, if it I give off that vibe, I'm legitimately trying to understand how it truly differs from the HRE."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n\n>Could you explain how it was an empire not only de jure but also de facto? Also could you tell me more about how the polysynodial system worked and how it is different from a confederated system??\n\n\nIMAGINE THAT YOU ARE THE HEAD OF A CORPORATION; YOU FOUND ANOTHER BRANCH OF YOUR COMPANY, AND SEND SOMEONE TO HEAD IT; IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE BRANCHES; EACH ONE HEADED BY ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, ALL WORKING BY THEMSELVES, BUT UNDER YOUR AUTHORITY, AND WITHIN THE CORPORATION'S RULES, AND REGULATIONS.\n\nA POLYSYNODIAL SYSTEM IS AKIN TO A COMPANY OWNED & FRANCHISE OPERATED BUSINESS MODEL.\n\nA CONFEDERATION IS MERELY A MEGACOMMITTEE; CONFEDERATIONS ARE INHERENTLY BAD."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nOh, right, I think I'm starting to get it and notice the difference. Thanks for the explanation\n\n>CONFEDERATIONS ARE INHERENTLY BAD\nWhy tho?? They give the most local autonomy while still having a sense of unity and shared civilizational goals and values.\nAlso, do you think the 18th century Bourbon decrees were a mistake?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nSpain was no elective monarchy as HRE for sure"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n\n>Why tho?? They give the most local autonomy while still having a sense of unity and shared civilizational goals and values.\n\nNO; CONFEDERATION IS A WAY OF PREVENTING UNITY, BY PRESERVING FRAGMENTATION, OR A WAY OF FRAGMENTING WHAT IS ALREADY UNITED, APART FROM BEING CONDUCIVE TO THE FOSTERING OF INTRIGUES, STRIFE, AND TYRANNY.\n\n\n>Also, do you think the 18th century Bourbon decrees were a mistake?\n\nNO; THE BOURBONIC REFORMS HOLICIZED THE EMPIRE, IMPOSING INSTITUTIONAL UNIFORMITY; WHAT CAUSED THE DISINTEGRATION OF THE EMPIRE WERE THE WARS OF SECESSION, WHICH WERE THE CONSEQUENCE OF A PROBLEM OF SOVEREIGNTY CAUSED BY THE NAPOLEONIC OCCUPATION OF THE IBERIC PENINSULA."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>CONFEDERATION IS A WAY OF PREVENTING UNITY, BY PRESERVING FRAGMENTATION\n\nAnd thus preserving localities from central government abuse and opression.\n\n>THE BOURBONIC REFORMS HOLICIZED THE EMPIRE, IMPOSING INSTITUTIONAL UNIFORMITY\n\nCmon man, that's a highly liberal thing to do. Homogenizing different peoples is an attack on their traditions, rights and self governance. It's proto globohomo behaviour."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n\n>And thus preserving localities from central government abuse and opression. [SIC]\n\nMORE LIKE FOSTERING LOCAL LITTLE TYRANNIES; YOUR NOTION OF UNITY, AND OF UNIVERSALIZATION, AS TANTAMOUNT TO «ABUSE & OPPRESSION» DERIVES FROM A SCHISMATIC PREJUDICE.\n\n\n>Cmon man, that's a highly liberal thing to do. Homogenizing different peoples is an attack on their traditions, rights and self governance. It's proto globohomo behaviour. [SIC]\n\nTHE BOURBONIC REFORMS IMPOSED INSTITUTIONAL UNIFORMITY, NOT SOCIAL & MORAL HOMOGENIZATION; IMPROVE YOUR READING COMPREHENSION."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>MORE LIKE FOSTERING LOCAL LITTLE TYRANNIES; YOUR NOTION OF UNITY, AND OF UNIVERSALIZATION, AS TANTAMOUNT TO «ABUSE & OPPRESSION» DERIVES FROM A SCHISMATIC PREJUDICE.\n\nI'm against what happened to the spanish empire, but that's because its secessionist elites were a bunch of secular freemasons and not catholic localists so obviously they would become little tyrannical statelets. Also, not saying having unity and universal values and a central government is bad or a state of abuse per se, but central governments always have a tendency to grow and tyrannize those under it. That's why the HRE had an ideal political configuration.\n\nTHE BOURBONIC REFORMS IMPOSED INSTITUTIONAL UNIFORMITY, NOT SOCIAL & MORAL HOMOGENIZATION; IMPROVE YOUR READING COMPREHENSION.\n\nThat was just the beginning. Those decrees suppressed the institutions, privileges, and the ancient fueros of many lands under the crown. It was aiming into becoming more like a centralized french style absolutist monarchy (influenced by early liberal thought and concepts) and thus was aiming to distance itself from a true organic traditional medieval catholic monarchy into a more liberal, illuminist (and thus anti-catholic) one. And we all know how going towards that path turned out, by watching the last 300 years of history."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, Ferdinand II was even titled \"Most Catholic King\" by the pope"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n\n>I'm against what happened to the spanish empire[...] [SIC]\n\n«SPANISH EMPIRE» IS A MISNOMER; IT WAS THE CATHOLICAL EMPIRE OF THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY.\n\n\n>[...] but that's because its secessionist elites were a bunch of secular freemasons and not catholic localists so obviously they would become little tyrannical statelets. [SIC]\n\n«CATHOLIC LOCALISTS»? WHAT DOES THAT OXYMORON EVEN MEAN?\n\n\n>Also, not saying having unity and universal values and a central government is bad or a state of abuse per se[...]\n\nTHAT IS WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING WITH YOUR ARGUMENTATION.\n\n\n>[...] but central governments always have a tendency to grow and tyrannize those under it. [SIC]\n\nNOT REALLY; IT IS MORE PROBABLE & EASIER FOR LITTLE POLITIES TO BECOME TYRANNICAL, THAN FOR AN IMPERIAL ONE.\n\n\n>That's why the HRE had an ideal political configuration.[SIC]\n\nTHE SO CALLED «HOLY ROMAN GERMANIC EMPIRE» WAS A MISHMASH OF FRACTIOUS POLITIES THAT AMOUNTED TO NOTHING BY THEMSELVES, AND TO NOTHING AS «A WHOLE»; GERMANICS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SECTARIAN, SCHISMATIC; NO MERE COINCIDENCE THAT «PROTESTANTISM» WAS FOUNDED BY A GERMAN, AND THAT IT INFECTED VIRTUALLY ALL GERMANIC LANDS."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">That was just the beginning. Those decrees suppressed the institutions, privileges, and the ancient fueros of many lands under the crown.\n\n?\n\nNO.\n\nTHE ONLY ERROR WAS EXPELLING THE SOCIETY OF JESUS FROM THE PROVINCES OF THE EMPIRE.\n\n\n>It was aiming into becoming more like a centralized french style absolutist monarchy (influenced by early liberal thought and concepts) and thus was aiming to distance itself from a true organic traditional medieval catholic monarchy into a more liberal, illuminist (and thus anti-catholic) one. And we all know how going towards that path turned out, by watching the last 300 years of history. [SIC]\n\n1. CENTRALIZATION A LA FRENCH WAS NEVER FEASIBLE, SINCE THE AMERICAN VICEKINGDOMS WERE ALL MORE POWERFUL & WEALTHIER THAN THE IBERIAN ONES.\n\n2. WHAT CAUSED THE DISINTEGRATION OF THE EMPIRE WERE THE WARS OF SECESSION, WHICH WERE THE CONSEQUENCE OF A PROBLEM OF SOVEREIGNTY CAUSED BY THE NAPOLEONIC OCCUPATION OF THE IBERIAN PENINSULA, NOT THE BOURBONIC REFORMS."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nBased german hating namefag. G*rmoids truly are scum. Are u a carlist btw?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n\n>Based german hating namefag. G*rmoids truly are scum.\n\nI DO NOT HATE GERMANS.\n\n\n>Are u a carlist btw?\n\nNO."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>NO.\n\nReally? But ur defending the restoration of the spanish monarchy and all. Does ur political views have a name, like an ideology, or political group/movement? Dont know many others besides carlism and falangism."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n\n>Really?\n\nYES.\n\n\n>But ur defending the restoration of the spanish monarchy and all. [SIC]\n\nNO I AM NOT; EVEN IF I WERE, THAT WOULD NOT MAKE ME A CARLIST; CARLISM IS A DEFUNCT POLITICAL MOVEMENT FROM NINETEENTH CENTURY SPAIN.\n\n\n>Does ur political views have a name, like an ideology, or political group/movement? Dont know many others besides carlism and falangism. [SIC]\n\nYES."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, but ONLY because Charles V was literally the Holy Roman Emperor."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>YES\n\nUhh, alright?? So what is it?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nOne of the kinoest moments on history. Almost like a crossover."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are actual Iranians as unhinged and weird as their diaspora?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is weird or unhinged about Robert Sepehr? I have heard Jorjani has some \"weird\" ideas but I have never seen them so w/e, what are they? I do know Sepehr's work however and have even spoken with him on facebook years ago. There is nothing unhinged about him. I am guessing you are just low IQ and so don't understand their work. If I am wrong then prove it. What is that they have said that you can PROVE (not squeal like a retard) is \"weird and unhinged?\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nanother unhinged diaspora enters"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSnownig + Iranian mixes always turn out trash.\nJorjani, btw, is a transgressive Satanist who stole my ideas. He descends from Qajar Turkic trash royalty and has nothing to do with Iranians.\nRobert Sepehr's dad was a fucking Jew and Zionist. He's not even Iranian in the technical sense of the world.\nBoth these people are retarded grifting trash."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\natlantean nordic aryan aliens"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nexactly what I expected your reply to be. thanks for playing"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>>5\nokay buddy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>out of africa, humans come from monkeys\n>NO NO ATLANTIS IS UNHINGED AND CWAAAAZY\nthe funny part is you are probably too stupid to see the irony here. \"Unhinged\" and \"weird\" to you just means something you werent indoctrinated to believe not whether something is true or not"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOne has centuries long tried and tested scientific evidence, the other has some graphs from the apricity and 4chan"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nOh I forgot to add zombie space jews and talking snakes etc etc. Smart people get the idea, idiots never will so it is what it is"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAA's not that weird."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>One has centuries long tried and tested scientific evidence\nNo it doers't in fact it has been proven false definitively already but you are a hack so you only speak from second hand what your best guess is. You are wrong and intellectually lazy, you wait to be spoonfed by your puppet masters instead of doing your own research"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYou are right the jews are controlling me... בראַפּ"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI never mentioned Jews.... but now that you have I wont disagree with you. Indeed, your mind has been controlled since the day you were born and likely will be til the day you die because you likely dont even have a problem with it as long as it help you eat, drink, shit and fuck. Any knowledge outside of that likely has very little value to you"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNo way"}, {"id": 16, "content": "I'm under the impression that there is even more than one severely unstable Persian on this board, which is quite impressive."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAll of you snownigs are a billion times worse.\nAll of you are polarized: either insufferable self-loathing trannies who let niggers sleep with your wives or evil, inhumane quasi-Jews who want to slaughter all non-whites in a \"pepe race war now\"! Absolute fucking degenerates. My retarded parents made a mistake moving to your destabilized shitholes.\nI can't even maintain a friendship with you pseudointellectual snownig garbages. I am led to believe most of the good ones died in WWII."}, {"id": 18, "content": "any diaspora is doomed once it comes into contact with the sphere of influence of the globohomo\n>Are actual Iranians as unhinged and weird as their diaspora?\nNo, average iranians are chads"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThe other one likes white people. There might even be 3 different ones."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nyou got an answer from the unstable Lur"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nthat guy is a turkmen, btw"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>that guy is a turkmen, btw\nIranian Turkmen"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nThe truth of the matter is post-industrial society has no \"people\". Most so-called \"people\" have no qualia or true sentience. They are mechanized soulless and devitalized faggots, hence why they are so easily fooled by various CONTROLLED zeitgeists.\nPractically ALL intellectual discourse is controlled now faggots. FEDs and glowies have corrupted pretty much all forms of sociopolitical discourse, SO WHY TALK ABOUT IT LIKE YOUR OPINION MEANS JACK SHIT?\nDumb snow nig. ALL of us are effectively slaves. It doesn't matter if you're left or right. Both have been controlled from the very start. The dialectic does not originate organically.\nGenuinely kys, retarded pompous faggot. There is no future for humanity, and there is more to life outside of attachment to the depraved and failed human species."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAre you haplogroup T?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nI thought Iranians hate Iranian Turkmen and see them as non-Iranian and whatnot?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nYou are a retarded zoomer shithead and cannot understand anything on a deeper level. You live completely on the surface. Whether that's globohomo, identity politics, or whatever else, your brain has completely rotted from memes. This is because you fear solitude and contemplation, which effectively renders you as insentient soulless garbage.\nWhen talking about deep topics like this, one's biological morphology, humanity, etc. don't matter. When bombs are dropping or crazy madmen are shelling one's house, the last thing that will be on the mind of an actual sentient being, who has a rich internal mental life, will be race, haplogroups, politics, etc.\nYou are complete garbage. We just got done with a SCAMDEMIC. Corona was a hoax. China was acting out the whole Wuhan bullshit. What does this all mean?\nIt means most of your mind, the abstractions you use to create complex narratives, are ensured to be \"kosher\", using this word metaphorically here. Reacting to the so-called crises in this world, without deep reflection or humility, will lead to you being dominated by kosher narratives. There is no heroism anymore in the age of Big Data, cloud computing, ML, and much more, all of it will be SUBVERTED. It's already all subverted. All of it! The tranny commie, the far-right pepe edgelord who just read BAP, -- it's all already subverted.\nThere is absolutely no future for humanity. Ulrich Horstmann is right. The only way out is omnicide at this point. I say start with (((them))). If I were in control of Iran, I would be destroying oil reserves left and right and nuking everyone around me, including ourselves. Enough is enough, it's time mankind is put to an end.\nWhat I hope is that another species evolves and develops advanced civilizations with a strong ethos. Mankind has completely and utterly failed. I say give the birds a chance!\nYou should know your place when debating Brahmin like me."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nIran is a multi-ethnic nation, OP is asking about that country's diaspora, not a specific ethnic group."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nI doubt there's two Persians with this exact personality, so this is probably you. Might not be multiple after all then."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nList top 5 books, films, etc. I bet they're all trash like your mind. You're the kind of person to watch James Cameron films whereas I watch classy Robert Bresson films.\nYou are absolutely nothing compared to me. Go back to reading trash like Harry Potter while I read German romanticist poets like Holderlin.\nYou are absolutely inferior to me.\nIn fact, I will go a step further. I am an incarnation of GOD. I am the closest human being to Maitreya, Saoshyant, Second Coming of Christ, Mahdi, or whatever else. You, on the other hand, are just stupid peasant trash."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nCameron films are pretty shit, but I don't really watch films much, as you already know. However, I meant to ask you if you speak any Persian?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI don't have time for this shit. I am an intellectual. I have MANY books to read. I have a shit job to do as a burned out data scientist.\nYou are all icchantika trash. We are living in the Kali Yuga. We may all die in the forthcoming decades in fake manufactured wars.\nIran is a failed culture, a failed country, after the incompetence of the Qajars. Iran has no rich culture.\nEuropeans had a rich culture but it came to an end after WWII.\nIndustrialization was a massive mistake.\nLook at China. Mao was backed by (((them))) and Golmann Sachs! China destroyed its own culture merely to industrialize and sip the Faustian poison. China had the richest culture in the world but not anymore!\nLook around you! Most of the old-growth forests are gone! The Earth is screaming in pain!\nLook at the average man! He is a soulless mechanized devitalized fool! Cut off from the transcendent numinous realm! Poisoning his body and Earth with pesticides, preservatives and more! Demolishing his own traditional cultures!\nIt's all over! This is Kali Yuga * 1 billion! The elites want to slaughter us all in fake manufactured wars, pandemics, etc., and those that survive will have brain-computer interfaces.\nOvercrowding, overpopulation -- MANKIND WAS MEANT TO BE A SPARSE AND NOBLE SPECIES.\nNo more, you have betrayed God, you have betrayed Buddha, you have betrayed all that is sacred.\nBut no more, no more. The bats, birds, bees, and butterflies want vengeance. Avalokiteshvara is no longer smiling. Your Buddha nature has been forfeited. Your soul has been contaminated by a darkness from a bottomless abyss. You have become vessels for a non-human occult force that is beyond a mortal's attempt to grasp.\n\nEmbrace the extinction of humanity! That is the only way! Ulrich Horstmann has it right!\n\nDie Geschichte des Untiers ist erfüllt, und in Demut harrt es des doppelten Todes — der physischen Vernichtung und des Auslöschens der Erinnerung an sich selbst."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>17\n>want to slaughter all non-whites in a \"pepe race war now\"\nNo one believes this. Getting rid of shitskins out of European countries maybe ie niggers and arabs. Aryans who arent necessarily white like portugese, italians, persians etc are fine and east asians are fine."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>17\nniggers and jews are Nation destroyers apparently mudslimes as well. Invasive species that need to be eradicated for a functioning society"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nIranians have only like 15% Sintashta (but depending on model, you can raise it to 25%).\nThis is just RETARDED shit. There are far bigger problems right now. I would be agreeing with you if there weren't other problems.\nThe entire industrialized globalized world is rotten to the root. When the root is poisoned, then the will most likely be poisoned too.\nThere are FAAAR bigger problems than blacks and arabs right now. If a black or Arab is able to become cognizant of these problems, then it's necessary to work with them, but the reality is the problems are intractable.\nThe only viable solution at this point is literally omnicide, an omnicide that also takes down the depraved technocratic elites.\nI can't do that, so the only solution is TO STAY OUT OF THE WHOLE DEBACLE.\nThere's literally a tenebrous force animating all of this. I believe Negarestani may come close to describing it, but I think there is a deeper level than what he discusses too.\nIndustrialization and modernity were all abject failures. If anything, people are more foolish and ignorant than ever.\nI am an intellectual. I have no time to debate you. I have books to read, work to do, etc. I am sick and tired of morons who do not know their place. Sometimes I feel I am the only truly sentient being with a rich internal mental life when compared to the rest of humanity. A lot of this feels like a solipsistic nightmare with a few archons ensuring the sutures remain in place. All of this makes Silent Hill 2 look mundane in comparison.\nSatanists who rape little kids and own multinational corporations with a sick, twisted obsession with transhumanist bullshit like human-animal hybrids, brain-computer interfaces, controlling every facet of our lives,a nd much more.\n\nSTFU, you stupid fucking faggot. I am literally one of the few people who understand the full complexity of this nightmare. I am literally like Gehrman from Bloodborne, but I know there is no end to this nightmare."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nlol imagine thinking I will read this, seethe more sand nigger"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>then the will\nthen the tree and fruits* will"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nBloodborne lore? Didn't expect that. A little birdie told me to tell you to check your inbox, by the way. Best of luck."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>I will read this\nOfc a moron like you can't read. You'd rather waste time with mindless entertainment like ecchi anime or memes.\n>seethe more sand nigger\nBetter than being a snownig who believes in the delusion of \"progress\". There's no such thing as progress or \"advancement\" of humanity."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\n>>34\n>stupid faggot\nbtw I am bodhi mantra, you only know about any of this because people like me spoonfed it to you at great personal investment of time and energy and great personal risk so eat shit you fucking faggot. You dont know half as much as you think you do"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nNo most are normal. But why the fuck is sepher so obssesed with proving ayyrians. A week or so ago he tried to misconstrue some genetics find in egypt to say some retarded shit about ayyrians."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nYou retarded faggot. I was a Soto Zen Buddhist for many years and read copious sutras, ensuring the translations are good. For example, Red Pine's translations of various sutras such as the Platform & Lankavatara are very good.\n\nI am far more well-read than you. My views are based on a combination of Pentti Linkola, Kacyznski, Ludwig Klages, and Evola (the last one only a little bit)."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n>no such thing as progress\nI diaagree because I don't live inside a bronze age hut on some despotic iron age empire fucking my cousin and eating insipid grains."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>I am far more well-read than you.\ntop lolz. first off reading and actually understanding are 2 completely different things. You cannot understand any of it until you have the keys, the codes. Second I have read books people like you have never even heard of and never will hear of because they arent for normies. I have red well over 500 books in my life, perhaps over 1000 and my collection mogs yours to oblivion. You are free to tug your own dick all you want though, I dont really care, do you"}, {"id": 44, "content": "If this thread is anything to go by, yes."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nAnd seems more like progress than anything else. Perhaps I would be happier, perhaps I would've been killed off and dulped in the woods as a child."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nDumped*"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nWe have to go back to the Middle Ages as Evola beautifully defends. It is far more honorable to live in the manner you criticized than to support a destructive interconnected industrial system, which has stripped man of autonomy, destroyed immense biodiversity, eroded communal and traditional cultures, and more.\nIf we can't go back, the only solution is omnicide as promoted by Ulrich Horstmann.\n>>43\nYou're a Freemason? I knew it!\nDamn fucking Freemason with your sick and twisted views of progress.\nI will not be pulled into your disgusting Evangelion-like teleological narrative."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nI am just trolling you a little bit anyway spastic faggot, at least you know a little something and arent a complete moron like most people here.\n\nEver heard of PBD podcast? If not check it out, p good. This is my website. I will complete your training youngling\nhttps://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe\n\n\nBTW chill out, we have (((them))) on the run now. You have to break eggs to make an omelette, order comes from chaos. Of course it will get bad, it always does before it gets good. Shiva must destroy for Brahma to build. Ride the tiger and stop investing so much in the illusion, Maya has enchanted you. Que sera, sera"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>blavataky\n>for fools\nHAHAHAHA, Whoever wrote that is a hack and psued. Blavatksy filters like 99.9% of humanity. You literally have to study for decades to understand Blavasky's work"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\n>>2\nlol i rekt this guy on the left on twitter so hard, he deleted his post, then blocked me. I did not know he was Iranian, I thought he was just white."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nsome Iranians look white due to strong Indo-European genetics"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nNo, the solution is to destroy humanity and give birds a chance.\nI used to think my vivid dreams of being a Garuda were past life recollections. Now I see that's the future.\nThe social organization of many bird species is immensely advanced. If you think only humanity is meant for advanced cultures and traditions, then you're a fool. Birds descend from theropods, and in many ways, they have a more efficient anatomy and physiology than us, especially in regards to their respiratory and circulatory systems. Their brains also tend to be more fine-tuned with lean, robust and efficient connections. Most species are also geared towards social monogamy, even though extra pair copulations are quite common. What's interesting is there is a strong correlation with enecephalization quotient and cooperative breeding among bird species. The most intelligent and self-aware species are corvids. New Caledonian crows even have the capacity to improve and refine on tools based on blueprints left on various leaves.\nNew Guinea is like a Lovecraftian island with the cosmic looking mating rituals of birds-of-paradise...\nMany ancient cultures venerated birds. This is because deep down they can sense their superiority. If there is a hierarchy based on degree of closeness to the numinous realm, then birds are above humanity.\nUnlike Jews who betray humanity for themselves, I betray humanity for the birds.\nBirds, bats, bees, and butterflies are all important pollinators and give much to this world, but I would say birds are the most interesting in their evolutionary potential to create advanced traditional civilizations.\nThere will be avian Buddhas millions of years from now. I'm coming back as a Garuda in the future for my complete perfect enlightenment.\nNow if you'll excuse me, I am about 60% through my textbook on birds. I am taking an online Cornell class on it, which I paid 200 dollars for."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\n>It is far more honorable to live in the manner you criticized than to support a destructive interconnected industrial system\nHonor is dead and bits of its cadaver are now being collected as a keepsake by those who still care for it. Men among the ruins as always.\n>which has stripped man of autonomy, destroyed immense biodiversity\nFair enough. Although humanity itself is correlated with massive extinction events wherever they go.\n>eroded communal\nThat can stay dead. Biggest cow village mindset is bad enough as it is now.\n>traditional cultures\nI do mourn these. So much knowledge lost. So much lost to time."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nbased garuda knower. Humans cant go anywhere anymore than your body can get rid of your t cells. We are an integral part inside of the Universal being, we have a duty to perform just as everything in your body has a duty to perform"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>unknown\n>Iranjeet mudpeople are literally less indoeuropean than telugu dravidian brahmins\nI doubt it"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>Although humanity itself is correlated with massive extinction events wherever they go.\nThen what's the point of loving humanity, which is just one lineage of primates?\nTo me this is just a temporary form I embody in the infinitude of Time.\nPic-related is a Florida Scrub Jay. They have more harmonious family units than human beings as a whole, yet they have become a vulnerable species due to humanity's hubris.\nWith humanity's growth, all we see are the compounding problems and the creation of entirely novel ones of an entirely different order. All mankind is good at is creating shit shows and drama as technocratic elites manipulate all sides to their advantage. I doubt any other species, if it were to form advanced civilizations, would create such predicaments.\nWhy should I sympathize more with the plight of various groups of humanity more than Florida Scrub Jays?\nMaybe the solution is to end humanity and give a chance to other non-human organisms to form advanced civilizations. This is why I have become more interested in Ulrich Horstmann. I also like his mustache."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>Then what's the point of loving humanity, which is just one lineage of primates?\nI'm a human.\n>To me this is just a temporary form I embody in the infinitude of Time.\nTo me this is the only form I will ever embody.\n>With humanity's growth, all we see are the compounding problems and the creation of entirely novel ones of an entirely different order\nhow do you know birds would be any different, hyper social communitarians in the human world are no more caring for their enviroment than more individualistic societies. Bird societies would still transform the world around them and probably wipe out megafauna.\n>I doubt any other species, if it were to form advanced civilizations, would create such predicaments.\nRegardless of the why. That world would be a frankly boring one.\n>Why should I sympathize more with the plight of various groups of humanity more than Florida Scrub Jays?\nThat's for you to decide, I myself am a man, and wish to see my offspring prosper. I don't want to see that bir extinct mind you."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs one on the right the subhuman who said that blacks have non-human dna or something? He is an Iranian lol? Must be having a weird identity crisis."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nSome blacks do have archaic hominid ghost species DNA (Might've been an extension of an archaic hominid we think was extinct earlier than it really was) though most eurasians also have archaic hominid adixture (neandersovan)\nits fun to theorize of ape men in the depths of pre-history"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only Iranians I’ve ever met were oiled up mall kiosk peddlers and they were all unhinged so my gut reaction is to say yes"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\n>I'm a human.\nThe Buddha said the Tathagata is unfathomable, and I remember somewhere in Pali canon he said Buddhas transcend humanity. I may remembering incorrectly though.\nRegardless, I do not define myself based on humanity.\n>To me this is the only form I will ever embody\nI've experienced transportive dreams where I've embodied other forms, so I do not want to cling to this one too strongly.\n>Bird societies would still transform the world around them and probably wipe out megafauna.\nNot to this degree. Most avian species in general do not seem to embody the psychosexual, cannibalistic frenzy of chimps and bonobos, our closest relatives to a common ancestor.\n> That world would be a frankly boring one\nBirds would create art and sophisticated cultures. There is nothing boring about the fantastical courtship displays of Satin Bowerbirds and many others like the Vogelkop superb bird-of-paradise. New Guinea has incredible birds with amazing courtship displays. For example, satin Bowerbirds construct houses where they decorate it with sparkly stones, flowers, and more. Don't you see the beginnings of something incredible there? They have aesthetic sensibilities, which is not unique to humanity.\n>I myself am a man, and wish to see my offspring prosper.\nI am a Buddha and wish to see the Dharma prosper. I see mankind has embraced adharma and has failed to live up to the Dharma...\nFor the Dharma, I promote the extinction of mankind and giving non-human organisms like birds a chance to inherit this Earth.\nI've been married for over 10 years and have remained childless out of choice, even telling my stupid mom and dad to stfu."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>40\nNo this thread is filled with diaspora and they're all unhinged and weird. Every new post is proving OP"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>50\n>>51\nRobert Sepehr or whatever his name is half white and half iranian. Same with Jorjani"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>55\nSafavids were a mix of Pontic Greek, Georgian, and Circassian. Nice try though"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>57\nAlso, European high culture felt birdlike in the past. Mozart was heavily inspired by his starling for example.\nThe costumes and wigs of past Europeans had something birdlike about them. Very regal.\nMoreover, human beings were not evolutionary predisposed to monogamy, yet these highly cultured Europeans had ornamented costumes and classy dances reminiscent of the courtship rituals of many birds.\nCould this in some sense be a sign?\nAngels with bird wings, even god with wings among the Assyrians and Ashur...\nThinking of all this inspires me to take over Iran! I'd pretend to care for the people and raise public image. However, none would know my true intentions of wanting to destroy all humanity for the birds..it would be based. Just imagine the feast for the ravens."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nMost of this is one guy, he's quite a character, you can recognise him easily once you learn his thing. He's obsessed with intellectual posturing and \"high brow\" media in particular."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nNo there's still the buddhist guy and a few other haploautists"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nI don't think those are Iranians, ironically he's both of those things as well, albeit haplo only reluctantly due to insecurities."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nthey are"}, {"id": 70, "content": "People should be judged based on their Goodreads list and other metrics. They shouldn't be judged based on race. I spend a lot of time fine-tuning my Goodreads list."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>61\n>Not to this degree. Most avian species in general do not seem to embody the psychosexual, cannibalistic frenzy of chimps and bonobos, our closest relatives to a common ancestor.\nYou could attribute this to a lack of complex interpersonal bonds such as what chimps and we have. But I'll accept it for the sake of argument.\n>Birds would create art and sophisticated cultures.\nThey wouldn¡'t be as diverse as what we have I think. The mindsets and ways of life humans are capable of are almost uncountable.\n>There is nothing boring about the fantastical courtship displays of Satin Bowerbirds and many others like the Vogelkop superb bird-of-paradise. New Guinea has incredible birds with amazing courtship displays.\nAnd I am sure they would evolve into social practices worthy of fantasy books. But there is a lack of intrigue and of conflict, where might I see an avian scaveola, an alexander, a wu zetian. But then again I'm sure some f the more macabre species (and corvids, who are cunts) would fill those niches.\n>Don't you see the beginnings of something incredible there? They have aesthetic sensibilities, which is not unique to humanity.\nI do, and I would want to see their palaces high in the trees bur I would like to then return back into a place where man lives. The mindset these communitarian birds of yours have is alien and almost repelent, none of them would understnd me, perhaps a disgruntled and anti-social corvid who fell through the cracks would understand my feelings. The need to be the atop the mountain, to create, destroy and dominate, to discharge one's will into the world.\n>I am a Buddha and wish to see the Dharma prosper. I see mankind has embraced adharma and has failed to live up to the Dharma...\nI do not believe in that as yu might've assumed. So to me my offspring and my ideas matter.\n>For the Dharma, I promote the extinction of mankind and giving non-human organisms like birds a chance to inherit this Earth.\nFor humanity I contradict that."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nBy the way I have to say. Despite being a schizo you are a very good poster. It's been a while since I've been nspired to draw anything. Today I'm drawing corvid alexander looking over his empire."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>They wouldn¡'t be as diverse as what we have I think. The mindsets and ways of life humans are capable of are almost uncountable.\nThey will have their Zdzisław Beksińskis.\n> But then again I'm sure some f the more macabre species (and corvids, who are cunts) would fill those niches\nI think the corvids family has the highest chance of inheriting the Earth. I like how many corvids have extended families and are very adaptable and resilient. They are also highly intelligent and engage in meta-tool use. New Caledonian crows are especially impressive.\n>The mindset these communitarian birds of yours have is alien and almost repelent, none of them would understnd me, perhaps a disgruntled and anti-social corvid who fell through the cracks would understand my feelings. The need to be the atop the mountain, to create, destroy and dominate, to discharge one's will into the world.\nHuginn and Muninn understood Wōden, the peak of the gods, and I as a messenger of Wōden say the time of man is over. Geri and Freki are hungry and wounded."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is what muttification with wh*tes does to a nigga."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>34\nhey you still here? reply if so"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>4\n>Snownig + Iranian mixes always turn out trash.\nNot true."}, {"id": 77, "content": "This thread is against the rules and should have been deleted by mods. It is not history and deals with contemporary public \"intellectuals\". I'm starting to think FEDs and glowies are working with mods to further vilify Iranians. If I made a thread like this, I would be immediately banned. I've been banned from /his/ so many goddamn times. So why is this thread and the other one calling for genocide of Iran still up?\nAlso, I am starting to become more suspicious of supposed genetic samples from Iran. Knowing how much anti-Iranian propaganda is coming from ZOG, I am starting to reevaluate just how obsessed they are with Iranians."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nRobert Sepeher is an anthropologist who literally writes history books, keep seething psued retard"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nThis thread isn't about Robert Sepehr's trashy pseud anthropological works, retard. Also, Robert Sepehr is half Jew."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\n>the other one calling for genocide of Iran still up?\nsince when is mocking annoying diaspora calling for genocide?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nEven if this true so what? You think every Jew is part of the Zionist mob banksters? You know one of the founding members of the SS was Jewish? He does good work and as far as I have ever seen is a good dude. If you have proof to the contrary post it or stfu"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nRead the other thread, retarded cunt. It literally promotes genocide..it's against the rules and still up:\n>>unknown\nThis particular thread is not as bad as the other one, but it is still off-topic. Both topics should have been deleted by mods.\n>>81\nCyrus the Moron made a mistake freeing such vermin from Babylonian captivity. If it were up to me, I would destroy his tomb and ship all of the heads of the Persian Jewish minority to Israel."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>2\nStop sperging out, Robert"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>12\nAh yes, it's totally disproven. Trust me, I also did my own research in a schizo youtube rambling video."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nbuddy I have a minor in anthropology, what exactly are your credentials again? This smells like projection from a schizo retard"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think ANY group of natives has ever been as unhinged and weird as their diaspora."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>unhinged\nYou know what, fuck it. I'm cancelling this thread."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nAre the blue ones Jorjani? if so\n>Abrahamics should be exterminated like rats\nMy God this man is based"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">the Aryans know\n>hinge them\n\nDesperation allimalliation"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\nWho are these autists?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>73\n>They will have their Zdzisław Beksińskis.\nWould they? What tells you that?\n>I think the corvids family has the highest chance of inheriting the Earth. I like how many corvids have extended families and are very adaptable and resilient. They are also highly intelligent and engage in meta-tool use. New Caledonian crows are especially impressive.\nSomeday in the future maybe, yes. If there ever was an avian Alexander I expect it to be a crow."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n\"content creators\"\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfMVM8o3gRE [Embed]"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nThanks mate"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nSo is this the *most* autistic video they have? How does it rate among their canon?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHumorously enough, Reza Negarestani is full Iranian and the smartest out of those mutt schizos. However, I do dislike Negarestani's writing style, which imitates the writing styles of French continental philosophers like Baudrillard and Deleuze for his \"speculative fiction\", but overall, the ideas he explores are far more original and thought provoking. The idea that oil is a sentient entity that manipulates mankind into self-destruction is very interesting, especially given how integral petroleum is to the functioning of modern industrial economies. I am oversimplifying his views ofc. It has a nice fatalist aspect to it tied to ancient Mesopotamian myths.\nAlso, as I've said before, Jorjani stole my ideas (specifically his views on Zurvanism as Faustian). Jorjani, a name referring to Georgian migrants, is a descendant of Qajar trash and has admitted to working with glowies before taking that particular article down. Moreover, nothing about his archeofuturism is unique in the least, and his libertinism and feminism are nauseating. He simply mixes some transgressive left hand Satanist bullshit into his project, probably due to influence from Stephen E. Flowers. Jorjani is a narcissist who has had petulant arguments with plenty of people more intelligent than him, such as Stephen E. Flowers and Mishlove. Jorjani is also a big Zionist and has frequently insulted Iranians based on misreadings of actual research.\nRobert Sepehr seems like a waste of time because paleontology and primatology have advanced so much, and if you're going against the academic consensus to create a worldview reminiscent of Evola's Hyperborea narrative, then it's better be more mythologically or symbolically inspiring in an idealist framework that does not base itself on empirical findings. I have not read Robert Sepehr as much admittedly, but I have looked into how he has distorted certain paleontological findings in order to push for his idea that various races intermixed with aliens."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>The idea that oil is a sentient entity that manipulates mankind into self-destruction is very interesting\nYou're an idiot and so is he."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nIt's an interesting idea, dumb cunt. Here are 2 quotes from secondary sources.\n\n\"\"\"Oil is a fascinating geological product that contains in itself thousands of years old fossils and sediments and which drives explicitly or implicitly the majority of the world geopolitical behaviors. In his book Cyclonopedia (see the numerous previous articles about it), Reza Negarestani claims that the Middle East is a sentient entity whose shit is oil. Building-up on Deleuze and Guattari’s Thousand Plateaus and their War Machines, he indicates that such a machine requires fuel and grease that cannot be possible without oil. The film Jarhead recounts the encounter of the American army with this geological sentient entity during the first Gulf War. The film almost never introduce any Middle Eastern human being but the sand, dust and oil praised by Negarestani are the true vernacular elements that surround the heavy army.\n\nIn Najaf and Ninevah, contacts speak of a notorious female oil smuggler named Jay who has assembled a militant religious cult named Naphtanese in the mountains of Kurdistan in Iran. They believe that the Unlife of War feeds on oil or (as they put it) the ‘black corpse of the Sun’. Negarestani Reza, Cyclonopedia. Melbourne: Re-Press, 2010. P130\"\"\"\n****\n****\n\"\"\"The contention is this: not only do we use oil, it uses us.\n\nNot just oil, but the fossil trinity: oil, coal, and methane: each unique substances, and yet unified by the chemical energy stored in carbon bonds. Humanity has been possessed by these daemons that now control us: fuel. Oil in particular has usurped our collective agency with its own by dominating our own political systems. Human history is now petrohistory.\"\"\"\""}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nLooks like you arent very sentient"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>87\nI don't get it why be so needlessly hostile. if he doesn't want to do it then just say no thanks. whatever happened to basic courtesy and decorum"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n>whatever happened to basic courtesy and decorum\nThe internet"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nYou should have seen his arguments with Stephen E. Flowers and Jeffrey Mishlove, both of which were very hospitable towards him. Jorjani seems to have narcissistic personality disorder."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\n>Jorjani seems to have narcissistic personality disorder.\nThat's an understatement. He has his head in his ass"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>98 #\nThe oil beat it out of me."}, {"id": 104, "content": "Reminder that Bodhimanta (Bodhi) is actually just Sepehr larping."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI found this\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA2jgf9cmxI [Embed]\n\nand dunked all over this retarded slut in the comments. I will see if she ever responds to any of it. feel free to white knight for her and get dunked on as well"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nreminder you are a twink larping as a man"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nYou could have been less confrontational in the message. I think she unfortunately deleted it on YouTube...\nAlso, Robert Sepehr's dad is a literal Holocaust film director, Ben Hur Sepehr, so I would be a bit more suspicious of him."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nit's still there when I refreshed it. It probably has to be approved because of how many edits I did. Probably got flagged as possible spam by the algo.\n\n>You could have been less confrontational in the message\nShe was being smug af, just responded in kind to her psuedo bs"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nshould be there now. I see it in a private tab"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nYeah, I hope she responds. Btw, don't you find this suspicious?\n\nhttps://scoutnews.substack.com/p/he-was-the-far-rights-favourite-author\n\nHis father's remarks piss me off a lot. His father was ungrateful vermin."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nLike I said above I dont care if he has jewish blood. I have known lots of based Jews in my life. Most Jews dont even know about the zionist cabal of banksters are just regular people living their life, intermarrying etc. Seems most people on this website dont seem to realize that. Do you think it is fair for foreign cultures to judge you based on what the CIA or robber barons of the past did? I mean it doesnt matter to me if he has Jewish blood, to each their own though. As long as he never does anything that is anti-aryan he is based as far as I am concerned"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>105\nMorocco isn't in east africa you retarded monkey. it's literally the northwestern corner."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nInteresting I didnt know he knows Henry makow. I have spoken to makow and published one of his articles on my website. Makow also does great work"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nI was quoting her you retarded nigger"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nfeel better now?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>111\nI just find it suspicious that a Iranian Jewish Zionist's son is spreading Nordicist and antisemitic stuff. Psyops can be very advanced and doesn't always fit linear forecasting models. Some of the biggest antisemites in history have been Jewish as Christopher Jon Bjerknes discussed on Adam Green's channel \"Know More News\" on Bitchute/Odyssey. I do recommend checking that out too...\nFor example, I know 100% Jorjani is a glowie, since I've read an article where he admitted to it before taking it down. I would not be surprised if Robert Sepehr was a glowie too but in a more disinfo way. I just find him very fishy."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nI am well aware of Green and Bjerknes. Sepeher is only half Jewish on his father's side. Perhaps he discovered the truth doing research same as Makow did. The Jews are just as much pawns of the banksters as the goy. Do you see what is happening in Israel rn? I mean get your caution, caution and skepticism is always good but I dont find anything particularly compelling about a Jew finding out Jewish gangsters are taxing him to death, flooding his home with niggers and destroying his country and knowing this isnt the first time, they have been doing it for 1000's of years and causing little Jews like him and his family to be skinned and hung for it and being pissed about it and wanting to expose them. Perhaps his father didnt know either and it make him even more pissed to find out what happened in germany was because of these giga kikes. I find this very easy to believe and sympathize with. Ron Unz is a jew, a Jew owns odysee that hosts all the videos jewtube wont. This isnt out of the ordinary"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\nTo add to this, he could have changed his name, or not used his name at all on his channel and not associated his father with his company. If he wanted to be sneaky he didnt do a very good a job at it and the glowies damn sure arent this sloppy"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nSee, the stuff you're saying frightens me. Bear with me for some time.\nI most definitely do not support flooding the West. I think opening borders is bad. But don't you think it's possible Jews benefit from promoting the opposite backlash?\nAs CJB argues, Hitler got a lot of his money from Jewish backers. In fact, Hitler may have been Jewish from his paternal side too.\nNow listen, I'm not saying to cuck out and accept this dismal state, but I just don't think all-out race war would be good either.\nIn a way, one can argue Jews promoted the decadence of Weimar republic, but then they unleashed angry far right on them, as they still maintained top positions of power in a kind of fluid controlled way.\nI know I am speaking in a very choppy way, because it's a lot to process, but don't you think Jews, in a sense, are the architects of the dialectic? They engineer the far leftist self-loathing liberals, ashamed for being white, but they also seem to be behind empowering the \"pepe race war now\" faggots, largely motivated by Nordicist supremacy complex. It's a kind of extreme duality that they manipulate to maintain their power consolidated in the system.\nAs we both know, Trump was in a sense \"testing the water\" of kosher far right uprising, kind of like Azov in some sense.\nJews aren't just massive degenerate leftists. They can also be massive genocidal freaks. For example, Chabad Jews surround Putin and Jews practically control congress.\nHonestly, maybe the solution is to get rid of the Jews first and foremost?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\n>glowies damn sure arent this sloppy\nThey're getting sloppier in recent times, but sometimes I feel like they take glee in mocking the ones truly in the know..."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\n>As CJB argues, Hitler got a lot of his money from Jewish backers\nThis is bullshit. Bjerknes doesnt know jack shit about the Nazis and I have called him out several times in Green's videos comments about a lot of the bullshit he pedals.\nhttps://ugetube.com/watch/on-the-accusation-that-hitler-was-financed_vqTPugR5Gslfkrg.html\n\nLet's say it is true, Sepeher is ...... doing what? Stoking antisemitism exposing the Jewish gangsters? He is doing our job for us then. There is very little in his videos I disagree with and I have been researching all of this over 20 years. In order to change anything we first have to educate people. Let the chips fall where they may and in the chaos seize power"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\n>Let the chips fall where they may and in the chaos seize power\nI don't like this mentality since wherever there is chaos, one can easily be manipulated or turned into a puppet for nefarious forces. In the age of Big Data, edge analytics, cloud computing, etc., it is even easier to steer the masses in imperceptible ways.\nFor example, I once read an article from a US senator about how prior to economic downturns, frequency of cues pertaining to social and sexual deviancy are increased in advertisements. This plays a role in maintaining the status quo, and I wish I never lost the article. It was quite an old article too... Social engineering is a real profession where they have to keep what they do confidential.\nSocial engineering isn't always easily uncovered, including the overall objective (short and long term)."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nMy dude I dont like any of it but what is that you think you have any control or say over?\n\n>Social engineering is a real profession where they have to keep what they do confidential.\nSocial engineering isn't always easily uncovered, including the overall objective (short and long term).\nYes I cover all this on my website I linked above. Are you the Persian fag from before?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nViable solutions are much harder to arrive at. I think ultimately we must admit that industrialization was a mistake. It has led to problems of an entirely different order that has not existed before; it is fundamentally semi-autonomous and invasive. It strips man of autonomy, privacy, self-reliant ways of life, and etc, making them dependent on a sick and twisted system (e.g., Big Pharma -- check out the book Rockefeller's Medicine Men). I think the number 1 priority should be the destruction of the technological industrial order on a large scale overseen by a non-pozzed world council, so the world could become a stable period like the Middle Ages or other pre-industrial times.\nNo solution beyond this will give true lasting stability and order."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nhere join my discord if you want\nnHutffY"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>116\nGOD DAMN SEMITES, THEY RRUINED ANTI-SEMITISM."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>123\nAs Klaus Schwab said \"data is the new gold\". Don't underestimate how powerful clean data can be in making predictive models. Imagine these models being fine tuned based on game theory is societal settings. Now imagine these models collecting data in real time and sending them to the cloud, for further cleaning, training and refinement, via IoT (Internet of Things). This is a unprecedented amount of power from the technocratic elites.\nIt may eventually reach the point of an \"Internet of Bodies\" as RAND corporation discusses.\nThink about this stuff deeply. We don't live in the past anymore. Everything we do and think is taken into account in their constantly updating models."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nAnd I do mean it. In a way, Nietzsche made anti-semitism kosher by making it a problem Jews could overcome rather than an intrinsically evil quality. So now we get a bunch of Nietzche fag mischlings."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\n>Think about this stuff deeply.\nMy dude my degree is in information science. I have been concerned about and warning people about this probably longer than you have been alive"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>125\nI will write a book in the far future if we don't die from artificial famines and riots from disruptions of supply chains. My approach is different.\nWe just got done with a scamdemic where they were testing out new nano technologies in jabs.\nThey already have research with \"injectable self-assembling nano neural meshes\" in rats. They inject the rat and then a mesh with electrodes unfurls into their brains. It is potentially possible to collect their brain data and send it to the cloud for further processing and development of simulations and predictive models. This is in the telos of organization tech.\nWhat I'm saying is the technocratic elite want complete control. Perhaps, this was almost always the case in history, but my point is such capability shouldn't exist, period. Mankind should go back to being a sparse and noble species living in homogenous villages in connection with the land. The only way to do this is to collapse the technological industrial order.\nThe 4th industrial revolution has already technically started. In fact, I will say the Government has already been replaced by Microsoft and Amazon. Look at all the Azure and AWS data centers. There are LONG undersea cables connecting them from USA to Europe and China. Do you understand that the technocratic elite are monopolizing data? If the data is the new gold and they monopolize all of our data in servers, what does that mean? It means they are always one step ahead of us with their forecasting and classifications models.\nBeing subverted is inevitable unless the industrial order is collapsed..I should remain quiet now because I've already had a FBI visit."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/522137a\n\n^ This research peaked in 2017. I believe it went underground afterwards\n\n\"A simple injection is now all it takes to wire up a brain. A diverse team of physicists, neuroscientists and chemists has implanted mouse brains with a rolled-up, silky mesh studded with tiny electronic devices, and shown that it unfurls to spy on and stimulate individual neurons... The next steps will be to implant larger meshes containing hundreds of devices, with different kinds of sensors, and to record activity in mice that are awake, either by fixing their heads in place, or by developing wireless technologies that would record from neurons as the animals moved freely... When Lieber presented the work at a conference in 2014, it “left a few of us with our jaws dropping”, says Yuste... There is huge potential for techniques that can study the activity of large numbers of neurons for a long period of time with only minimal damage, says Jens Schouenborg, head of the Neuronano Research Centre at Lund University in Sweden, who has developed a gelatin-based ‘needle’ for delivering electrodes to the brain...\""}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>63\n>half-white and half-iranian\n>half-caucasian and half-caucasian\nyou do realize what you said is retarded right?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>4\n>Robert Sepehr's dad was a fucking Jew\nProof?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How much did he unironically get right about the fakeness of history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasically nothing. I regard the work as a result of the decline of philology."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nRussian autist who used tree rings and astr8nomy to \"prove\" history is fake and russia was kangs all along."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nthat's a RUSSIAN? i'd have guessed spaniard or something"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are atheists so gay?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because the jews told them to be"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLess likely to be closeted and self-hating tbqh."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nis that why they have higher suicide and depression rates?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAtheistsisters..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have no reason to deny gay people the right to marry. You are unique and different, how does it feel when people want to oppress you because of that? Not good?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Smart people are more likely to be depressed\nIt's almost as if we didn't know it for decades."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>smart\n>thinks a man can be a woman"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Why are christtards such fags?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhen was that said? Or are you hearing voices again?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nNo, that's ridiculous. A trans woman is a woman, not a man, chuddy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nTrans women are men and kill themselves at 30. Praise the lord.\n\n>>7\nWell if that’s the case they should kill themselves too"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nI don't believe that but you believe a virgin gave birth to a magic Jew."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThe (((science))) did and the majority of atheists went along with it, even think we aren't doing enough for trannies"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nHow is not getting a piece of paper oppression"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nA Christian wouldn't be happy about suicide. You are just a larper who wants to legitimize his hatred."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou think, but no i actually attend church and most people don’t like fags there"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGay people getting married doesn't effect or harm me so why should I oppose it?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nLibshit atheists aren't people"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nThe countries with the highest suicide rates in the world are 99% Christian countries in Africa"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>8\nI don't, but I won't scream and kick my feet like some seething toddler if some mentally ill idiot decides to cut of his dick. Why should I even care? American Christians just give way too much of a fuck about other people's lives."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Why should I even care?\nBecause trannies demand validation from everyone, ie they are dragging society into it"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nI guess none of the retards here understand what gay marriage really is about"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIt’s when two gay guys get married"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBible explains this\nRomans 1:24-28\n\"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.\""}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThink harder, retard."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are evangelicals so based?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImpressive, very nice.\n\nNow explain why the 80% irreligious Czech Republic doesn't have gay marriage yet while the 65% Christian USA does"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWtf is going on with black Protestants, I thought niggers hate faggots"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nI’m sorry I don’t have schizophrenia"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>The Czech Republic is often considered the most progressive former Eastern Bloc country in regards to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights.[1] In 2006, it legalized registered partnerships (Czech: registrované partnerství) for same-sex couples, and a bill legalizing same-sex marriage was being considered by the Parliament of the Czech Republic before its dissolution for the 2021 Czech legislative election, when it died in the committee stage.\n\n>Czech law bans discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. A 2013 Pew Research Center poll showed that 80% of Czechs thought that homosexuality should be accepted by society, one of the highest rates among the 39 countries surveyed. Opinion polls have found increasing levels of support for same-sex marriage, with more than 67% of Czechs supporting the legalization of same-sex marriage as of 2020. The capital city of Prague is internationally famous and notable for its vibrant LGBT nightlife, community, and openness.\nSo atheism in Europe/The Americas = homosexuality.\n>Now explain why the 80% irreligious Czech Republic doesn't have gay marriage yet while the 65% Christian USA does\n\nCivilians vote to elect representatives and those representatives overwhelmingly voted not to \"legalize gay marriage\", as it had already been legal in some states, but to prevent all 50 states from passing laws against it. Again, civilians typically do not vote on individual issues. At the same time, the level of \"rights\" afforded to gays is a window into the minds of a society"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>18\n>>24\nThere is not and never will be any such thing as a gay marriage. Two men can't get married, marriage is between a man and a woman by definition. It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause atheism is gay."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nThe 65% Christian USA has a now-seven-year headstart on gay marriage over the 80% irreligious Czech Republic lol.\n>uhhhh but it's not our fault uhhhh it's the kike politicians and the kike SC justices uhhhh\nCope more Pastor Tim"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>the kike SC justices\nYeah, it is. SCOTUS is disproportionately Jewish, and they unilaterally struck down all the anti-sodomite laws that the American people established by their representatives. Dilate"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>Devout American Christians are so politically-incompetent they can't stop Jewish domination of the supreme judicial body in a 65% Christian nation\ngrim"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nWe took out Roe v Wade, Obergefell is next"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\nThere were states that allowed gays to marry before 2015. The \"gay marriage issue\" is about enforcing it on the ones that didn't. It's about validating the LGBT community, legally stating that a homosexual relationship is no different than a heterosexual one, which is untrue. Gay men are known to be more promiscuous than even women. The lifestyle is completely different; there is this term called metrosexual used to describe a phenomenon of (heterosexual) men in urban areas taking on feminine behavior such as excessive attention to fashion or grooming. The marriage law seeks to validate their culture and way of life. The idea is that the gays are not hurting anyone and keep their business in the bedroom, obviously today these are known to be false"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nYeah they’re being validated because they want to get married and people are not willing to bar them from that"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>21\nNah you're just a submissive little coward."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nThen why wasn't civil unions that grant the exact same rights refused?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nIt's VALIDATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY. VALIDATION OF THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE THAT USED TO BE LOOKED DOWN ON. YOU STUPID CATTLE."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nIf they want to get married I think they should have the right. I think it’s insane that you care so much.\n\n>>42\nYeah it was looked down on because of religion. People progressed."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>Yeah it was looked down on because of religion.\nWhy did Joseph Stalin dislike homosexuals despite being a rabid atheist?\n>If they want to get married I think they should have the right. I think it’s insane that you care so much.\nYou didn't answer his question, zoomer."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese polls are explained by pretty much a linear correlation with frequency of church attendance. White and Black Evangelicals visit the most, so are the least favorable to gay marriage. It is pretty obvious why, given that their faith openly calls sodomy \"an abomination\".\nEven relatively moderate and disengaged \"religious\" people will continue to affiliate for a host of reasons, mostly for the culture or for social benefits. People who are explicitly unaffiliated have generally made a conscious decision to reject the religion, so it makes sense that they also reject its prohibitions on gay sex."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>22\nOkay, why do you care? Have the leftists worship them, I still don't give a shit\n>>40\nSays the control freak who gives a fuck about what transgenders of all people think or do"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nBecause they would destroy my life or even potentially try to kill me if I refused to play along. Even something as tame as accidentally misgendering someone could get me investigated and put my income, and thus entire life, in jeopardy."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the church says they're evil for being gay and sends them away"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">can't come up with reasons gays are bad other than \"muh bible\"\n>people who don't believe in your bible don't think gays are bad\nsimple as"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nMolest kids. Spread disease"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nYep, that's what your pastors and priests do."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>34\n>it's the kike politicians and the kike SC justices uhhhh\nFucking California voted against homosexual marriage when they had the choice. What happened next? It was thrown out by the courts, and the courts decision was enforced by the politicians."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nHow many STDs have pastors created?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>46\nWhy do you care if they bring you into their mental illness? Why do you care if they shoot up schools?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>I'm going to defend LGBT pedophiles by bringing up more examples of LGBT pedophiles"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>49\nIt's sexual immorality. Simple as."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>32\nWhat definition? The legal definition is a union between two people."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nIndeed, and there is no reason for the state to subsidize it or allow pederasts to inherit without tax from their sugar daddies etc.\n\nWe need a new institution alled \"Arriagemay\" as a union between a man and a woman in order to form a new household and raise children with particular obligations on the disparte parties."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>(historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman)."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>50\nmarriage reduces disease rates among heteros as it means an expectation of monogamy, not promiscuous sex, and the height of the AIDS epidemic came well before same-sex marriage was legal. Seems like same-sex marriage would be a good way to reduce it.\nAlso I don't think gay child marriages happen much, might be technically legal in parts of the US but the situations where it actually happens (either weirdo evangelical sects or teenage girls getting knocked up and shotgun weddings) don't really apply to homos"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nOk and? Some places/people have a different definition applies to literally anything when it comes to law"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\n>Two men can’t get married\n>The state shouldn’t let them\nAnd there go the goalposts"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nEvery country recognizes male and female marriage\nYou were the retard who brought this up"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat happened in 2010 to make the percentages across the board go up?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>37\n>Obergefell is next\nVery interesting, and what is your plan to get rid of RFMA which legalized gay marriage at the federal level?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nYeah and some states do. The point is saying gay marriage goes against the definition of marriage is wrong, unless there’s a different definition."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown\nhating Germany is cringe and reddit"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nGiving Germany access to the Med is a dangerous game"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nNeeds more exclaves"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nVGH..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nwhat if lee didnt lose order 191\n*distant ughhhhing*"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n\nSould incorporate hungary, croatia and bosnia"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Alternative Timeline: America never signs the Outer Space Treaty and claims land on the Lunar Surface. I only included the relative areas of the Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 landing sites out of sheer laziness. Size is also approximately to scale."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1\n>>unknown\njust like my hoi4 game!!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nYou forgot the Volga Germans, dipshit."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1\nstop being a walking stereotype"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\n>muzzies in the new world\nworst timeline imaginable"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nDumb. This one is more realistic."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nHate to break it to you, but any timeline where Belgium exists cannot possibly be good"}, {"id": 15, "content": "VGH..."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nUGH"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nUGH FINALLY MY UBERGROSSEN DEUTCHLAND"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nvgh\n>>unknown\nVGH"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nNo one's going to respect these claims, anon..."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nkek at the european distintion, the feefees"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\n>no nazi flag mod"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nThey don't need to, America just needs to defend its claims and other nations would be forced to recognize them.\nRegardless, even in our current timeline, the Outer Space Treaty clearly states that any objects or personel on the moon or other extraterrestial objects remains under the jurisdiction of the parties who put them there, and any and all space missions conducted by other parties to the OST must consult with an international committe if theres any risk it could interfere with space missions conducted by other parties to the treaty. Thats basically the pretext the One Small Step act uses to try and protect Apollo Landing sites on the moon, albeit with more of a focus on domestic, private parties rather than other nations. Don't overthink it, its just fun alternative timeline shit"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nLmao"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nVGH"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nvgh, the united emirates of Amriqa"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHome..."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nWas ist des Deutschen Vaterland?\nIst’s Preußenland? Ist’s Schwabenland?\nIst’s, wo am Rhein die Rebe blüht?\nIst’s, wo am Belt die Möwe zieht?\nO nein, nein, nein!\nSein Vaterland muss größer sein!\n\nWas ist des Deutschen Vaterland?\nIst’s Bayerland? Ist’s Steierland?\nIst’s, wo des Marsen Rind sich streckt?\nIst’s, wo der Märker Eisen reckt?\nO nein, nein, nein!\nSein Vaterland muss größer sein!\n\nWas ist des Deutschen Vaterland?\nIst’s Pommerland? Westfalenland?\nIst’s, wo der Sand der Dünen weht?\nIst’s, wo die Donau brausend geht?\nO nein, nein, nein!\nSein Vaterland muss größer sein!\n\nWas ist des Deutschen Vaterland?\nSo nenne mir das große Land!\nIst’s Land der Schweizer? Ist’s Tirol?\nDas Land und Volk gefiel mir wohl.\nDoch nein, nein, nein!\nSein Vaterland muss größer sein!\n\nWas ist des Deutschen Vaterland?\nSo nenne mir das große Land!\nGewiss, es ist das Österreich,\nAn Ehren und an Siegen reich?\nO nein, nein, nein!\nSein Vaterland muss größer sein!\n\nWas ist des Deutschen Vaterland?\nSo nenne endlich mir das Land!\n\nSo weit die deutsche Zunge klingt\nUnd Gott im Himmel Lieder singt:\nDas soll es sein! Das soll es sein!\nDas, wackrer Deutscher, nenne dein!\n\nDas ist des Deutschen Vaterland,\nWo Eide schwört der Druck der Hand,\nWo Treue hell vom Auge blitzt\nUnd Liebe warm im Herzen sitzt.\nDas soll es sein! Das soll es sein!\nDas, wackrer Deutscher, nenne dein!\n\nDas ist des Deutschen Vaterland,\nWo Zorn vertilgt den welschen Tand,\nWo jeder Franzmann heißet Feind,\nWo jeder Deutsche heißet Freund.\nDas soll es sein! das soll es sein!\nDas ganze Deutschland soll es sein!\n\nDas ganze Deutschland soll es sein!\nO Gott vom Himmel, sieh darein\nUnd gib uns rechten deutschen Mut,\nDass wir es lieben treu und gut!\nDas soll es sein! Das soll es sein!\nDas ganze Deutschland soll es sein!"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>6\nI wonder if criollos would support CSA"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\n>Med\nEven close to food from Italy and Spain"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>Swarthoid fever dream"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>unknown\nnot enough\nSpain Visigoth\nFrance Frank\nItaly Lombards\nNorth Africa Vandal\nneeds to be reclaimed"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>10\nTo far away"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nKike fantasy"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>13\n>reality\nVietnam and Philippine end up as protectorate like Thailand"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\n>>23\nMuch better here."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>unknown\nVVVVVVGH IT'S SO GROB"}, {"id": 37, "content": "can we just imagine that in 30 years time russia miraculously dropped putin’s multicultural schtick and invested in eugenic breeding programs that resulted in a truly white empire? okay, cool"}, {"id": 38, "content": "VGH. I'M VGHING"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nUVGH Ellenibros"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy do jews cream their pants so much over such a useless desert? Those aren't even the areas with oil"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>unknown\n>Brazil owns Uruguay\n>Argentina owns Paraguay\n/his/torylet, without the Uruguayan civil war the War of the Triple Alliance wouldn't have happened in the first place and Argentina would have never been in conflict with Paraguay.\nNow slurp."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>26\ndisgusting blob"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nThe point of divergence is in the future you cum slurper."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>unknown\nLove this one."}, {"id": 45, "content": "America if it real"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nimagine writing this cringe"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>6\nsovl"}, {"id": 48, "content": "England if the Norman Conquest never happened."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>unknown\nHoly kino..."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>Lunden\n>Liferpol\n>Shethfeld\n>Monkceaster"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>unknown\n> for no clear reason, armenian regions are absorbed by 2 really weak people, despite the fact that Armenians ransacked both of them (Paulicians and Cilician Catholics respectively)\nHearts of Iron 4 is a disease"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nknowing the artist this map is from like 2015. Now that I bring him up. Al-Andalus is an annoying alt his cliche and people should stop using it."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nas much at least."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>unknown\nAdios mio!\n*cracks wip*\nGET BACK TO THE FIELD BOYYY!!"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThis is cringe"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>31\nGepids = Romania"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>unknown\n*Austro-Hungarian possession"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>unknown\nwouldve posted that one if you hadnt. heres the prequel instead"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>8\nHow would that change anything. Who even would bother making a map like that in that timeline"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If religion makes people moral, then why do atheists commit so much less crime?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost criminals are low IQ"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>sauce"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">compliance with the Laws of Man is... le moral!"}, {"id": 5, "content": "IQ negatively correlates with both religiosity and criminality."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this prior to incarceration? If not, this is a bullshit study and bullshit thread."}, {"id": 7, "content": "It's almost like most atheists are White"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing stupid, impulsive and poor are far bigger factors for comitting crime than your own sense of morality.\nMost atheists are middle class or above."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCriminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>6\n>>unknown\n>>8\n>>9\nAtheists are high IQ and moral by their own free will.\n\nReligious people are low IQ and immoral. They only \"believe\" so they can get a free ticket to heaven."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they’re pussies"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\natheists don't take risks"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAccording to Christians they take the greatest risk of all"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of shit"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nKek owned"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you met an atheist? I hate using this word, but beta is the perfect description of them. 99% of them think they're badasses for having jaywalked once in their lives. The only reason they even proclaim being atheist is because now it's socially acceptable."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheists are absent from everywhere, not just prisons. They're rare in every walk of life. They are a meaningless percentage of the population."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">christians constantly seethe about a meaningless percentage of the population who also happen to be betas"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nHave you met a Christian? On their hands and knees worshiping their Jew cult leader. Bunch of turn the other cheek love your enemy weak faggots. You can curbstomp them and they're not allowed to fight back. Weakest men on the planet lmao."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\ntrue but they don't know that"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>You can curbstomp them and they're not allowed to fight back. Weakest men on the planet lmao.\nWhat are the Crusades?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYeah, you're totally a crusader lmao. You're a weak bitch church boy.\n\nAlso, they're all going to hell for murder. Jesus was non-violence."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nThis is my only argument"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion is the only thing that gives prison people a sense of order"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\nVGH look at the raw masculinity of these virile Chads"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>Jesus was non-violence\nMatthew 10:34- “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”\nJohn 2:14-15- In the Temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, as well as moneychangers sitting at their tables. After making a whip out of cords, he drove all of them out of the Temple, including the sheep and the cattle. He scattered the coins of the moneychangers and knocked over their tables.\n\nYeah, sounds real non-violent to me. I love when atheists try to tell me what a book they've never read actually means."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheist is for midwit nerds and pussies"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>Christ's ultimate gesture for mankind was passively accepting the injustice of his execution as an example of God's love\n>BRO HE'S GONNA COME BACK WITH A HECKIN SWORD??? DEUS VULT\nThat fucking quote in the first place is a metaphor for Christians tearing apart their family for devotion to the cult, you disingenuous Jew. You would admire such a subversive passage....\nFucking clown"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nMatthew 26:52\nThen Jesus *said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.\n\nYeah dude, Jesus totally wanted you slaughtering your enemies. You are a goy slave retard and nothing more."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\n>their own free will.\nUh oh..."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople tend to become religious during incarceration. The narrative that the majority of criminals were religious before incarceration is bullshit, there is no statistic that can prove that point. Therefore, your take on religion is garbage."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n\nHow so anon?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause only a genuine fool wouldn't fake some sort of religious faith in order to get a lighter sentence."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Atheists are too beta for prison"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>20\nWhy are they going up the cliff instead of just lingering in the town? Why are they jumping off when they can clearly see a giant monster below? This picture's stupid."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo atheists become religious when entering prison?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>25\nLarpchriscucks will cope and seethe but the fact of the matter is, 98% of believers look like this"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAnd this."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwtf i didnt know crime was based"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably because people don't go out of their way to change their listed religion"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>16\nhey, look, a christard arguing for masculinity = criminality, whike using \"beta\" as an insult. so according to the christard, masculinity = good = criminality."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>20\n>bald fat NTR man goes to hell"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause atheists are atheists because they see life as a quest for learning and they want to learn without having moral consequences, except for laws which has actual consequences. So, this explains why irreligious people, Jews and Anglos have higher iq than other religious populations; this is because iq correlates with education and/or economic position, therefore people who dedicate themselves for info end up being irreligious or being part of an elites club (Anglicans or Jews in this case, sometimes freemasons (if they count as a religion))\nAnd higher iq also correlates with lower crimes, because it implies well-life and/or a life dedicsted to education.\nPersonally, i prefer lower iq people. Hifher iq people in my life always has been insufferable smug people and when i talked to them they always said \"I already knew that!\". I know youcalready know that, the problem is I am having a normal conversation with you. Midwit people are unironically better people, they can function as humans without falling into full retardation or sophistry. Midwit atheists, such as my sister, are also better people than high iq atheists who always have smug attitude with them."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>27\nit is for nerds true but atheists are not always midwit. There are high iq atheists, low iq ones and even midwit ones. They on average (with Anglicans and Jews) are highest iq groups on average which implies they have many high iq individuals eith them.\nI see high iq people's irreligiousness as never-ending thirst for knowledge. Reminds me of that book where doctor makes a deal with satan to be able to reach more info and sells his soul, i cant remember the book's name."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nDoctor Faustus"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>16\nGuess we'll inherit the Earth then"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>16\nlow iq people are unable to acknowledge theology beyond the superstitions (which are banned by their on-paper adhered religion probably) neither they have any reason to claim themselves as atheists as they literally dont care about theology therefore they dont question theology itself.\nlow iq atheists exist, and they are literally insufferable and they are only atheist because someone told them \"it is very cool to be one\". Even though many high iq peope are atheists, these guys also exist. Imagine a \"shabayaboey\" wesleyan holiness evangelist southern bapticostal but calls himself an atheist and psrrots same sentences for the whole talk (as low iq = low ability to problem solving and proccessing new information)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Türkiye the only country in the Islamic world to modernize? Is it because of European genetics?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurkey*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurks are racially superior to Arabs."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo we're not, all races are equal"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I can almost see panties lel"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you post actors and not average people?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI don't look like this"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nOkay then Turkish Culture is superior to Arab culture."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat is subjective"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nFuck off kike"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nYour thread is about the average Turk. They do look like this."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Because of this dude."}, {"id": 13, "content": "I will never spell it in that ridiculous way"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat exactly does \"modernize\" mean"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIt's not just the spelling, it's some gay ass new pronunciation too, something like Tyur-key-yeh or something\nt. flew Turkish airlines once"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nNo, you can't generalize a people group"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>all races are equal\nObviously that's not true."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIf you put whole races in the same situations, the outcome would be the same, there's nothing beyond appearance that can be attributed to be inherent to them"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>>15\nWhy do countries even do this? It's like Kiev all over again.\n\nDo the Turks really think the fact that their country shares a spelling and pronunciation with a bird in English actually effects how Turkey is perceived by foreigners?\n\nIn general, I think placename spelling changes tend to have an overall negative effect. Because they undermine historical associations people have with places.\n\n\"Burma\" brings to mind all kinds of nostalgic images, and sounds like a fascinating, exotic place to go on holidays. \"Myanmar\" sounds like, well... not much. \"Persia\" was a great ancient civilisation, \"Iran\" sounds like... Iran. \"Peking\" was a quaint and mysterious imperial seat, \"Beijing\" sounds like... just Beijing. Ditto for \"Bombay\" and \"Mumbai.\" And while the Deus Vult types have run it into the ground, yes Constantinople sounds a lot grander than Instanbul, even if it's nobody's business but the Turks in the end.\n\nIs it just a power thing?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\nbased attaturk enabling Turkey to have sexy westernized women on the covers of magazines a 100 years later"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Türkiye\nMy understanding of English means that based on this spelling, Turkey (Tur-key/Turk/ey) is now to be pronounced Tu-ur-ki-ye?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nWe have situations where you put races in worse conditions and one still ends up being better. It's ridiculous to say evolution affects everything but somehow stops inside your head."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nYou can that's the entire point of your thread. You are making a generalization in the OP and I'm disagreeing because Turks do not have \"more European blood\" than Arabs like Syrians or the like.\n\nYou are all brown."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>I don't look like this"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe problem of getting outcompeted by the European powers led the Ottomans to try to modernise their army, navy and bureaucracy in the mid-1800s by creating an ultra-modern academy system staffed by foreign-educated tutors pushing the latest in European ideas. The idea was that by studying European thought, the Ottomans would catch up and regain their position as a true great power.\n\nThis resulted in the emergence of a radically positivist Turkish elite who were obsessed with science and rationality and who despised metaphysics and superstition. Ataturk didn't emerge out of a vacuum - he was part of a wave of Young Turks who were cultishly obsessed with the philosophy of Comte. And it was this elite as a whole who prosecuted a war on superstition and ignorance in Turkey. Even though Erdogan wrested control over the main levers in power away from them the country has changed too much for him to ever implement the kind of Islamist agenda most people thought he would go for."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI kneel"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nWhether or not you support Ukraine, Kyiv was justified because Kiev is a Russian transliteration and they wanted to respell it as a way to show their independence"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What is Indonesia"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nPeking and Beijing are pronunced the same way."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\nAnglicisations naturally make you feel more nostalgic and attached to it. They've psyoped us to the point where we'd even feel racist for mispronouncing a foreign name or criticizing a foreigner's indecipherable accent."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtaturk brute forcing modernization+Balkan Turks bringing back western ideas from Austria Hungary and Greece"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nNot when pronounced in English"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is it because of European genetics?\n\nConsidering that the Anatolian farmer genes came from Anatolia/modern day Turkey, isn't it the other way around? Also you're pretty stupid if you don't think Indonesia is modernizing at a rapid rate, it's the largest Muslim country in the world."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Turkeyay?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>27\nI'm less irritated by the spelling change than by the media's decree that it is pronounced as keev, which it is not. The Ukrainians pronounce it key-iv, which is only slightly different from the Russian key-ev."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>19\nWhy is it never European countries that get super butthurt over how foreigners pronounce their name? For example in the Anglosphere everyone says Munich, Bavaria, Germany instead of Munchen, Bayern, Deutschland and it's not some big international incident."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>19\nVery good post. I remember some Iranian seething at a foreigner who pronounced his country \"I-ran\", to be promptly corrected\"\n>it's e-ran, pronounce the name od my country properly!\nWhat would these dumbasses have us do? Learn how to articulate clicks and gulps to properly pronounce the names African or SEA villages?\n>No, it's not Bucharest. It's București!"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nI'm Dutch and i Don't care if foreigners call us Holland (Then again i live in the Holland part)"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>16\nngl bro, this looks really pathetic on your part"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nBecause those names came naturally from people translating them in their own language, instead of having colonizers bastardise the names or make them up.\nTurkiye tho was just Erdogan's autism"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>18\nPeople create their situation based on their behavioral genetics."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>22\nyou are stuck on the 19th century."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is it because of European genetics?\nHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHH... AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAJAJAJAJANAHAHAHAHANSNSKANANSJSAJANAJAHAAHAHA"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nI assume you have noticed that some people are different to other people. Do you accept that individuals vary in behavior, personality and intelligence due to their genetics?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://mullerornis.medium.com/on-the-scythian-pantheon-44781876b6ef"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ossetian\nAnother russian made meme ethnicity"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI didn't ask for your opinion"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHe is right. Ossetians are confused Georgians."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI don't care, nor did I ask"}, {"id": 6, "content": "does anyone have the webm of armenian looking ossetian girls talking about alans,aryans and being extremely racist"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n\nAnon this is a blue board"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>unknown\nlmao so delusional"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>unknown\n>Armenians\nThose bitches look like kazakh hapas"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n\nWell he has to maintain pretenses, i dont think hes 'delusional' he seems to know exactly what hes doing, the girls are just too based for his 'delusion'"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nyes meant those delusional armenossetian chicks"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\nWhat are they delusional about?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>we're pureblood aryans\n>hitler wouldn't touch us"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>essentialy indo-european\n>nazis routinely made aliances with local ethnic groups propping up puppet states and raising ss divisions\n\nSo what did they get wrong there?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\ngypsies are indo-european aryans\nnazism turned out great for them eh? remember armenoids are one step above gypsies"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\ngirl on the left kinda cute doe, the chudette looks indonesian ick"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nwhat did she saw?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBbc"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\n>>unknown\n>>11\nThat's literally what georgians/azeris look like, you gotta stop lying at some point man lmao. Turkic traits like this are something I only see from Georgians or Circassians more than anyone else. Armenians don't have beady pitch black eyes like that, that's a G/J2 exclusive. Why do georgians like to lie so much?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nossetians are larping georgians. Their haplogroups are mostly G2 and J1. zero scythia connection"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThere is G2 alan sample"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Fucking retards ruined my thread"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nIndonesian girls look angelic. That ossetian woman isn't"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nits always georgians ruining good threads, turkish fleas piggyback off them like maggots to a mongrel. super duper annoying"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nDo you have anything good to add to the thread?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nYour thread is shit. It should be forbidden to just paste some shitty link"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nShut the fuck up haplotard"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>16\nRight mogs left."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe don't know how they were called in their native language but according to records from the Byzantine empire (inb4 faggots seething about \"it was actually muh Rome\") they were known as:\n>Aryanus\n>Basadus\n>Redpillinus\n>Youwillneverbeawomanus"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\n>Turkic traits\nOssetians are literally 10% East Asian admixture LMFAO while Georgians and Armenians have 0. Go back to serving your Russian overlords assetian subhuman."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nGeorgians literally sold their country to Russia and served their Russian masters for centuries."}, {"id": 32, "content": "What are Lezgins like?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nIt is physically painful that I've never gotten the chance to even meet such a girl irl, even more so than the fact that I will probably never get to marry one."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\nbased lolocausting lolies"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI normally don't shill living historians but Survive the Jive made a great and surprisingly long documentary on Scythians and just released it on youtube yesterday for anyone interested. The Scythian pantheon is a focal point and he talks about happenings between Scythians and Greeks, Persians, etc especially of the religious sort.\n\nThe only other good documentary I've seen on Scythians was The Tomb of The Scythian Prince where iirc a mostly French team excavates a Kurgan burial. It's really not bad and does lend perspective. But I much preferred Jive's doc, the depth of information and just everything isn't comparable."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nHe's associated with far-right terrorist groups, but sure I'll watch his video if it's relevant"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nquality info anon, thanks for the heads up\ndisregard this retard:\n>>36\n\nthey're always anti-white posting 24/7, not worth engaging"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nI'm not aware of such associations, nor do I care."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n>>36\nI'm like a couple seconds in and he showed that meme pic with the blonde aryans made by that nazi metalhead"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nYea I didn't ask if you cared anon, I don't know you dude"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nbtw, have you read herodotus on the scythians?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nStop wasting my time dork"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>herodotus\nThat guy is an alt-right chud."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>35\n>>37\n>>38\nOk so now he is ranting about blonde hair and blue eyes, also he called scythians \"europeans\" still not talking about anything religion-related"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nthat's the only thing they know how to do, wasting your time, give them 0 (You)s"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nDude you talked to me first"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\nYears ago, but this board kind of reignited interest in Scythians in so many."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>33\nShe would still consider you an ugly incel, don't delude yourself."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>36\n>far-right terrorist groups\ni.e., he probably watches Joe Rogan or maybe even Ben Shapiro."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nSad but true"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>39\nAryans from kairan were blonder than scandinavians"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\nit's normal they're pretty fucking epic, asha logos has a good vid on them as well"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\nasha logos has a good vid on scythians as well"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>>52\noops, sry for re, update wasn't showing the previous post"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\nA couple years ago he was caught actively funding these guys:\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Action_(UK)\nThey are assumed to have killed roughly 100 people"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n600 people? That's fucked up."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nsource"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nremember the 6000 jews goy"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nSorry, I meant 6,000,000."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>52\nI'd forgotten about his channel even but I remember it now that you mention it. He's got so much content for someone who at least apparently isn't a historian. I fell off after the Opera Linda stuff but very interesting nonetheless."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>I fell off after the Opera Linda stuff\nsame, it's sad watching him sperg over politics, but he seems like a good man"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\n>>59\nkek it do be like that"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nGreat voice and seems mostly bright too. Most people with enough time and money to make that kind of content tend to be weird. At least he's trying to use it in a positive way."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\ntru"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>56\n>>58\n>>59\n>>62\nIrony is cowardice"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nI cry evri tim"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nI'm going to sleep, just a heads up, don't get stuck with the anti-white autismo, thanks for the info and vids anon, appreciated"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nNp bruv"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>>63\nsamefag"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nYou vile rat, it was 14,000,000."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>66\n>>70\nAre you afraid of sincerity because your sincere self is a loser?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nNever forget the 42,000,000"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nYou know this meme is 7 years old by now, right?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>14\nThe aryan LARP was just for Germans anon, all those niggers and brownies in the steppes would have been gased"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nThe Sages expounded as follows: “The voice”; this is the cry stirred up by the emperor Hadrian, who caused the Jewish people to cry out when he killed six hundred thousand on six hundred thousand in Alexandria of Egypt, twice the number of men who left Egypt. “The voice of Jacob”; this is the cry aroused by the emperor Vespasian, who killed four million people in the city of Beitar. And some say: He killed forty million people."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nIt's nearly a century old though"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>>76\n>>unknown\nWhat do you think if trannies and haplogroups, samefag?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nCalling different people samefag isn't an argument"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nBeing a 2016 ironybro isnt either"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n>>79\nThere are no arguments."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nFor what? I don't recall engaging in some debate"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>23\nWomen need to stop using filters. At least makeup used to take some effort."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nMost of them wore makeup (or not actually) instead of a filter thoughever"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>31\nTheres difference between selling out and being conquered by overpowered empire, also what matters is what is it today."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP, if i were you i would remove this thread. This thread is anything but historical apparently and nobody answered the question."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>35\nVery cool doc from a good historian. Def the most accurate one on YouTube so far and goes much deeper into their culture as well"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>55\nwow i can't believe STJ killed 6000 people, why would he eat 60,000 people like that? Truly we need to ban white people"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\nNo, their nobles literally sold themselves out to the Russian empire, and they received preferential treatment.\nThey were literally the guardian dogs of the Russian empire, and today they larp as le epic eternal anti-moskal freedom fighters."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nand that's a GOOD thing!"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nSome did just to get a good chance at avenging and fighting against more despised enemies that time (raiders from north caucasus, Turks, persians) but negative attitude never changed against empire and thats why many nobles were desposed of or deported to siberia. Crackdown was hard after plot of 1832 especially."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>plot of 1832\nWhat was that all about?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1832_Georgian_plot"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>19\ni'm the guy that asked for the webm, i'm not georgian or anywhere from caucasus insane retard only thing i remembered was girls being aryans and one of them looking brown.."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Muslim builders were abundand and cheap in medieval Spain, and a lot of people relied on them instead of the expensive christian builders. This happened because muslims relied more on brick while christian builders relied more on stone, and brick was cheaper than stone.\n\nThis buildings imitated christian structures but using islamic motives for decoration, like blind horseshoe arches in the exterior and carved plaster in the interior.\n\nPic of actual mudejar churches and a medieval illustration of one."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey made nice houses. Reject modernity"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI don't think those houses are from that period though."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThose houses weren't made by them, retard, lmao. It couldnt be farthest from the truth actually. Granada's muslim population was pretty much erradicated after the Reconquista, and it's population was replaced by christian iberians from all over the peninsula."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThese houses are modern and foundable across all south Europe because that design dates back to roman times"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThe state of /his/"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nPeterson, Andrew (1994). Dictionary of Islamic Architecture. London: Routledge. ISBN 0-415-06084-2"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nwhat did he mean by this"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>implying muslims would build places of idolatry"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAutism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Pope John Paul II was so great then why didn't he fully reverse all the stupid stuff implemented out of Vatican 2?\nI'm not saying V2 is invalid at all, just that its interpretation led to a lot of stupid stuff.\nAt least he could have enforced going back to a more traditional version of the liturgy"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I've noticed this board never has anything to say about JP2 lol"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt was a long time ago"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMade multiple threads on this guy and they never get any replies"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npolish chud"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe is worshipped by Boomers because he \"defeated le communism\". Most people who post in this board are too young to remember him, but he was basically a milketoast globohomo pope."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think he said at the beginning of his reign that his goal was a furtherance of Vatican II so he was all in on it.\n\nhttp://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/pope-john-paul-ii-thinking-on-prayer.html\nhttp://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/john-paul-iis-thinking-on-meeting-of.html"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nHe's beloved precisely because he was normie friendly. I come from a post-communist shithole and the fact that he supposedly \"defeated communism\" (lol) isn't even a factor despite the fact that Catholics are obviously very anti-commie."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Because Vatican 2 was good"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "NPC activity"}, {"id": 2, "content": "(to the tune of There Is a Tavern in the Town)\n\nLarp, cringe, unhinged, deranged - hinged, deranged\nLarp, cringe, unhinged, deranged - hinged, deranged\nMy belief is much better than yours\nLarp, cringe, unhinged, deranged - hinged, deranged"}, {"id": 3, "content": "An NPC activity is calling people NPC"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeethe jew"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAny religion is an NPC activity."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nJudaism is a tribe"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAnd? I have a foreskin, I bet your dick is not even intact, crypto-jew. Suck it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits a social club and they are ok if you disagree with the rules because that brands you as a troublemaker contrarian (not welcome). Smart people understand the rules"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSmart people don't spend time around NPCs. You'd have to be really desperate to stoop that low just to socialize with subhumans."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nWhose foreskin is it?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Christianity will die with boomers."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Smart people don't spend time around NPCs\nThey spend their time alone and miserable then, rejecting everyone they have ever known"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nMine, since birth"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThe world isn't just dum dum NPCs herded into religions, there are also people capable of autonomous thought. Those have souls."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nAtheism will die with boomers and atheists like you will hang themselves because le nothing matters"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>there are also people capable of autonomous thought\nName one"}, {"id": 17, "content": "The decline in christianity is proof of the end times coming 2030 AD"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>decline in christianity\nTotal numbers are rising all thanks to Sub Saharan Africa"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nAnd Atheism with die with Xoomers. The return of Odin is around the corner faggots"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nYes. The future of Christendom will be Africa.\nChuda really have been mindbroken. They worship a jew in a jew religion practiced primarily by blacks and still think they're the master race"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's noone under 35 in this picture except for one kid who looks like he hates being there"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nWith all these cosplay pagans popping up, you're not wrong. And honestly, I would rather have tame liberal \"neopagans\" using ancient dead gods as puppets for christian stories than more televangelists, young earth creationists or halfwit apologists on the internet."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nMe\nMy friends\nMy coworkers"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristcuckery is based\ngoing to church is cringe"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nEveryone has a soul, those people just choose to be retards."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>Me\nName a single original thought you ever had in your life. A concept no one else thought off"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNTA this is easy for me\nI'm actually a genius probably smarter than every person on this board"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nOk so what original concept did you came with?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nOkay this is one important thing because I don't consider this thread worthy of me. When I was about six I became enlightened. I realized that every soul on Earth decides to reincarnate here. Not forced to, or created here. For a decade and longer I've been trying to allow people to know this but they reject it for lies attributed to Jesus or attributed to Buddha because they choose to live in fear and hatred."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nAnd whats that original thought you said you had?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nYou can't separate the two"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nWhat I just posted. At the age of six I wouldn't have ever heard such a thing from anyone else so I can guarantee it was my own invention even if someone else said it before at one point.\n\nIf you want something truly original, I realized early on that the NPC meme is a divine joke. A meme exists as many people reposting the same thing someone else said, but all these people posting NPC meme think they're original free thinkers against the stupid masses. I've spoken to so many who just repost those predictable lines retards say. And it's depicted as a wojak which is extremely soulless and overused, maybe the most soulless ever meme."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\n>Name a single original thought you ever had in your life.\nI published peer-reviewed articles in my field, presenting novel solutions I came up with.\n\nYou don't have to be original to think critically."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Why does this board keep resembling /x/ botpost spam more and more everyday"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nVery based good for you"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nreligious posters belong on /x/"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThey belong on /rg/"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>31\nyes you can the fuck?\n\nI can believe in christ without having to spend 2 hours on a Sunday singing shit hymns and pretending to like the other retard boomers there"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\n>At the age of six I wouldn't have ever heard such a thing from anyone\nReincarnarnation isnt an original thought no one had before. Its an extremely old concept, i also dont believe you somehow reinvented it independently, but even if you did (you didnt) you still fail the test because i asked you for a concept no one ever thought before, theres no \"independently rediscovered\" escape clause"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>33\n>presenting novel solutions I came up with.\nName them"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>theres no \"independently rediscovered\" escape clause\nHmmm why not? That's pretty stupid because there are so many people on this planet. The test is to demonstrate that you can invent something new, someone else thinking it millions of miles away doesn't stop that from being meaningful. For the record I don't actually approve of this kind of discussion used to bring people down, it's just that sometimes I can't help but brag about my accomplishments.\n>Its an extremely old concept,\nI don't think I'd even been exposed to reincarnation at that age, and my realization on it defiantly not."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Hmmm why not?\nBecause i specifically asked you for an original thought and you took the bait"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nI've also written twenty four short stories I've had published and self-published. I expect you to believe me and I am not posting it as that will forgo my anonymity."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nYou can't because Christ himself makes explicit references to a church, and his whole shtick is based on the messianic prophecy of a religion that was practiced in synagogues"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nPost verses"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>dox yourself\nhard pass\nIt was in STEM, I'll tell you that much"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n\nMat 16:18\nAnd I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.\n\nMat 18:17\nAnd if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nHis intention here is to make other people depressed and feel demotivated, don't feel bad if he insults you again"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nI thought his intention was to make a retard of himself. I never said anything about originality, he confuses autonomous thought with producing original content do not steal"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\nI believe you on that, i dont believe you didnt know about reincarnation by age 6, if you knew about souls you knew about reincarnation, you just dont remember when you learn about all kinds of ideas from the world when you are a child.\nSomething like original mathematical research would count as new ideas, or new scientific ideas too. Experimental science is useful to bring about new knowledge to the world but the new knowledge comes from nature and not from the experimenter's mind."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>44\n>>47\ncomplete rertard"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nI just btfo'd you with verses where Christ makes explicit references to a church, his church even. Anything else?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nThank you for believing me.\nI have a very good memory, I have many memories of when I was three years old and I've verified my accounts of the interiors of buildings and the schedule of nursery to be accurate, but no one can remember conversations I remember but they probably wouldn't. I am certain I came up with that when I was six because I associate the memory with being in a classroom I had at that age. At eleven I wrote it in my diary, I don't think even at that age I'd have encountered someone who'd tell me this.\n\n>Something like original mathematical research would count as new ideas,\nDo you not think art is important? Few people will be positively affected by math unless it's used for a machine."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\nNeither of those verses support your argument"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheism is dysgenic."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>31\nIt’s no necessary. It’s what you do in your life that matters. Smokin pot all day, getting SSRIs and having degenerate casual sex (whether it’s with a man, woman, child or animal) is disgusting and not only do you deserve eternal torment but someone should kill you to send you there."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>unknown\nAverage chud when he touches grass"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nHow so?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>unknown\nlmao"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>55\nAtheism is accepting reality."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nHow do they say that you need to go to church to be a christian?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church.\nThat implies going to the church."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>5\nThat's rich coming from the 15 year old Redditor drone"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nLike what? Men can have penises and Earths life is the result of a space fart?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nLike there has never been any convincing evidence of any god."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nAnd all religious stories are legends and myths. Or you think shit like Jonah and the Whale is actually real?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nYes men do have penises, it's basic biology.\n\n>Earths life is the result of a space fart?\n>And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.\nAccording to you Yahweh is the one who literally farted directly into our noses to give us life"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\nNo it doesn't, it says tell it to a christian authority if he refuses to be christian so they can do their best to convince him in a peaceful and polite manner."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>it says tell it to a christian authority\nBut it says \"church\" not \"christian authority\". Cope\n\nWho was Paul addressing in his letters if not the churches of various places?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nReligion has the virtue of not having to be interpreted literally verbatim, where as your scientific nonsense jargon is seemingly aloud to maintain validity while making a 180 every other decade"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nA church is a christian authority\n>Who was Paul addressing in his letters if not the churches of various places?\nHis followers whose purpose was to corrupt the early churches and make them into a method to control people."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>65\nIt's funny how you retards ask for evidence, and then when someone discovered penicillin \"on accident,\" or when a bunch of sandal wearing religious people defeated USA in a war, that shits just magic eh?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nYes, Allah willed the Mujahideens to win against the Great Satan."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nAre you suggesting that the only reason penicillin was invented and America lost that war was because of God?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nWell, a bunch of religious people prayed to God to get rid of the pro-faggot heathens from their lands and uhhhhhhh they got their way"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nYes that's what I'm saying you fuckin bitch. Both are literally miracles. It's a miracle we discovered penicillin. It's a miracle goat herders defeated USA. Among countless other examples"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nAmerica lost the war because they were devoted and persistent guerrillas defending their land\nPenicillin isn't particularly unlikely out of other discoveries\nYou're an idiot because you're attributing anything slightly unlikely as being caused by God"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>devoted\nTo?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>unlikely out of other discoveries\nWhat, completely random or accidental? Thanks for another point proving my case, retard nigger"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nFighting for their religious cause. Stop being ridiculous.\n>>79\nNot really accidental"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>Fighting for.their religious cause\nIE GOD you moron\n>Not accidental\nWhat leaving a petri dish and randomly discovering life changing mold is le science and not a miracle? Kek"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThe point is they were devoted and wouldn't stop fighting\n>What leaving a petri dish and randomly discovering life changing mold is le science and not a miracle?\nIt's a matter of chance and not proof of God. What you are saying is 80IQ tier. Hundreds of men were studying petri dishes at the time."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nLmao your points here necessitate a bigger chance of faith that Noah's ark.\n\n>They devoted themselves to a higher power and accidentally won against tech centuries better than them. So what!\nAhahahahhahaha"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nThey were not using bow and arrows and muskets they were using modern weapons. They were fighting for years and finally managed to break free. If God were supporting them what would the point of all that be?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nLmao they were using AKs made in 1987 and improvised explosives, which topped a modern air force with infrared/satellite, intelligence capabilities."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\n>1987\nThat isn't centuries old and remains formidable against modern weapons. They were fighting against what are essentially mercenaries, probably very few of those American soldiers cared about their cause."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\n>If God were supporting them what would the point of all that be?\nFree will. The average afghani that believes in God is 10,000 happier than you're average atheist slob in any US city"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nPffffft hahahahahhahahahahahahahaha\n>Dude ak47s and camels are literally the same as artillery and stealth bombers\nAhhhahahahahahahhaha"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nThat doesn't answer the question, why didn't God make them win immediately?\n\n>>88\nIt's quite possible as guerrillas in large numbers against enemies who have no personal stakes in the war"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nBecause the balance of God has never came about with immediate results. Also it's funny you say there was no stake, as US soldiers have died more from suicide than war, and they still lost.\n\nAhahahahhahahahaha"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>83\n>Lmao your points here necessitate a bigger chance of faith that Noah's ark.\nNo it doesn't"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n>Because the balance of God has never came about with immediate results.\nWhy? Why doesn't God just make His chosen side win?\nThe stakes were death of course, but none of those soldiers believed they were fighting for America."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>>92\n>Because God didnt make the religious win immediately is proof why underdeveloped farmers killed USA in a war\n\nAhhhhhahhahahaahhaahhaa"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nWhy doesn't God make the chosen side win immediately and not cause them to die?\nAll of those afghan soldiers were trained and disciplined like any western soldier, and were very willing to die for their cause unlike American soldiers."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\nI love it when schizos start hahahahahahahahahahahahaposting, it's epic joker cringekino."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeriously what did everyone do at church?\nI just blanked out and hoped that the service would be over quickly. Shit was boring and dour as fuck."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nMaintain appearances and chit chat at the beginning of the service."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>2\n>(to the tune of There Is a Tavern in the Town)\nYou mean \"Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes?\""}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>11\n>Christianity will die with boomers.\nDidn't die with Rome or under the Ottomans, or even from itself. She will survive in the south"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>17\n>The decline in christianity is proof of the end times coming 2030 AD\nThat's retarded\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1ggukifT8 [Embed]\nHe will only come when the world is ready to recieve him. If Christianity declined to only a handful, that's a setback. Not an advance"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>11\nSaid a billion enemies of the Church in 2k years. Outlasted them all.\nIts going nowhere."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>73\nAnd Allah willed the destruction of the Islamic forces at Lepanto"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nYeah because people had a strong faith back them. Faith has vanished and monasteries and churches are withering.\nIf there's no one to defend it, it shall perish."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>96\n>Seriously what did everyone do at church?\nPartake in the Final Sacrifice"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nRead the OT. It always comes in waves"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nFaith is stupid, facts not feelings nigger."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nThe facts point to total christcuck death"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nWell it's been like 150 years since that quote and things don't seem to be improving. Besides, the OT is just fan fiction, there were no \"waves\", nor Moses nor exodus nor anything."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>17\n>2030 AD\nYour book says no one knows the hour\nYour claim is not only bullshit, but heretical as well\nAll that's listed in reference to end of this system of things has been present throughout history"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\n>>107\n>>107\n>>106\n>>105\n>>104\n>>1 (OP)\nmeds, immediately"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nNot being a delusional christkike, I don't need meds."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>72\n>defeated USA in a war\nThey hid until the USA came to an agreement to end the occupation. Every time they actually fought the sandniggers got annihilated."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>4\nhey don't lump me in with the atheists"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why do all people from all countries from all time periods hate the jews?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why do all people from all countries from all time periods hate the jews?\nIncorrect. There are several notable exceptions. But most of the societies that hated Jews weren’t free so I don’t think you’d want to emulate them"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDespite the existence of Israel, Jews remain a diaspora at heart, in that they prioritize their own people's survival above all else even at the expense of their host nations. You can't really blame them for this given how routinely they've been nearly wiped out throughout history, but you can also understand why many still do not trust them. It's not as straightforward as \"Jews are purely evil\" or \"Jews are purely good\" - they're a complicated group with a troubled history which still sees itself as an eternal outsider. What's more, in Judaism, only the Jews are chosen by God - meaning that they see their lives as innately more valuable / holy than all others. This also rubs people the wrong way throughout history."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause of their actions"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNa jews are evil and a menace to all that is good"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIs it really evil to do anything and everything to survive? Personally, I can't really blame them for that mindset. Their history has been pretty much nonstop war, genocide, exile and foreign occupation."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurely socioeconomic reasons"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nJews promote civil unrest through the media\nThis should be categorically unacceptable to people who have to live with the consequences of their propaganda.\nBefore the Industrial Revolution 90% of people were poor serfs. Now we have a large middle class, and jews absolutely have taken advantage - half of them live in households making at least 100k per year. Their evil is not about survival, they are nation wreckers and I cannot sit idly by while they destroy my home. regardless of what their ancestors have been through. Can't do it."}, {"id": 9, "content": "pure coincidence\n\nserious answer: because they refuse(d) to be assimilated by the majority and maintained closed community, which naturally leads to antipathy by the others"}, {"id": 10, "content": "They make deals/alliances with the elite to exploit the middle and lower class, which they feel no kinship with due to being a different ethnicity and religion"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nWhen yte people become successful its the American dream, but when Jews become successful, its always a conspiracy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nepotism\n>hypocrites\n>no loyalty to their host nation\n>all attempts to assimilate them have been a failure\n>blame society for their shortcomings"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>all countries\n\nI doubt the people of Ghana hold a sharp antisemitic hatred towards Jews. It's really just a European problem."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nNo he's right. You know black people see you big nosed, light skinned people the exact same way as you see your big nosed, light skinned people (Ashkenazi Jews) right? Why is it fine for you to lump them all into one category while it's \"anti-white\" for black people to do the same?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThis is blacks without whitey"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews are racist lunatics"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nThe fact you just equated us to blacks shows you are racial supremacist psychos you jew scum\n>Thats right goy only we are humans while you are niggers"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nthe problem is how they use their influence. No one would care about jews being overrepresented here and there if they used their influence for the good of the country."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre there any countries where Jews assimilated and didn't get kicked out of even once? USA and Argentina are the only ones i can think of"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nJews never assimiliate they simply blend in to make their subversion more efficient. Its actually smarter to force jews to be culturally distinct so you can easily pop them and avoid an AshkenWHITEY situation."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nRussia"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nHello"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">here’s your flag bro\nThis was the first flag of soviet Russia, the inspiring design of…the abbreviation of the official government name on a regular red flag, an astonishing improver over the previous communist design of…a regular plain red flag.\n\nSoviet aesthetics are incredibly dull and uninspired, it’s all flavorless cost effective boring and drab shit with all the inspiring romanticism of a mid level bureaucratic manager. Don’t know why people attribute soviet propaganda as being “badass” when it’s really incredibly dull and boring. A lot of the more exciting propaganda posters simply copied western style art deco designs that were popular in the 30s. They sucked at aesthetics."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet me guess, you “need” more than this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI’m saying that soviet aesthetics were boring and uninspired which reflects on their complete lack of “soul”"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI need more jews in ovens"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWhy do you want everything to be ugly?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nThis at least has a laurel wreath and it’s more about the eagle of Jupiter than the flag."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nSOVL\n>>1 (OP)\nSoulless"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRed is a warm color, but I think communist aesthetics tend to show red flags and banners in motion or being waved around or whipping in the wind more than as a static 2D images laid out flat. More like a wave. Chinese propaganda-documentary about the origin of the PRC flag which draws on similar aesthetic language:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/NqAOzmLJmYA [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Another example. You see this in the poster art a lot. The flag is meant to be flown.\n\nI think this cartoon was made in the USSR, it's like a red wave:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/zZqVOFSYRWI?t=143 [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": "For me, it's the Old Libyan flag"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSoviet propaganda only got good when it essentially plagiarized from imperial propaganda an aesthetics and merely modernized it a bit to fit with socialism"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Also if you wanna see some insane and over-the-top propaganda with the red in motion (from China) it's this:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/szjxpbGhjTM?t=177 [Embed]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nThe banner was rarely flown by itself"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nAt the time dyeing was far less advanced, it has cool leaves and a based eagle standard and is carried by a mascot wearing animal skins."}, {"id": 15, "content": "the plain red flag is the international socialist flag and had been one for decades by the time of the Russian Revolution.\nIt flew in 1848, it flew above the commune, it flew at every attempt at socialist revolution until 1917, it's a stirring symbol with a great deal of emotional resonance to any politically conscious worker anywhere on earth. I legit prefer it to the hammer and sickle, although that has its cool side too.\nWriting the initials of the RFSFR on it was lame but a lot of early wartime era flags are, regardless of the cause."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nKino coat of arms tho."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\ncommunists need to die"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nwow this is such insane propaganda, i can't believe the chinese are dancing, having military parades, and singing about developing their country"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nCool it with the anti-Americanism."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We're in the middle of a revolutionary war\n>Better make an overly complicated symbol as our flag"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the Johnson Administration like?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why do Amerimutts think anyone knows or gives a shit about their mutt country's history? There are bulidings older than America."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnd yet our government is the oldest in the world discounting san marino, and its fake ass."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n*Government is the oldest republic in the world"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nYou will never be human and once the world realizes world peace can only be achieved by exterminating all mutts, a utopia will be created"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDid an American fuck your mom or something?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that meant to be funny? retarded zoomer humour. Mutts drop a threads iq by 30 points when they wander in"}, {"id": 8, "content": "How did this thread cause so much asshurt?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nRent free as usual"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nIt appears so. It’s amazing how much seethe we cause these “people”"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>humour\nStop trying to look all sophisticated, or as you bongs would say, \"posh\", in a fucking 4chan thread"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI suppose being able to pronounce & spell the right way would seem sophisticated to a retard. Just like if you started a basic campfire for a monkey they think you are a wizard with secret knowledge."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>>10\nYou are not human and never will be"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nif you're posting on the internet, especially on an American website, you ought to use the President's english and not that knockoff oompa loompa euro garbage british spelling"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nAnd we will always love rent free in your head"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nCrazy the eurofags will say this but are literally SLAVES to the American state. You are our bitches"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christians of /his/, is she in Hell? She never converted to Christianity."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I want Anne Frank to fart on my face."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Jehova will reveal all the secrets when you die :)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI know. And I'll regret nothing. Also it's God, not \"J*hova\", stop speaking like a kike."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Interesting Anne Frank fact\n\nDespite being sent to Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen, she actually spent a great deal of her time at the so-called Death camps in camp hospitals, being treated for Scabies and Typhus.\n\nIt's curious/peculiar that these so-called extermination/slave labour camps would have put so much effort into saving the life of a teenage girl who would have been very little use as a labourer, and who was explicitly targeted for genocide due to her ethnicity."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWow, I never knew Anne Frank had such great treatment at Hitler's Luxury Resort Camp and lived to be 90 years old!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWtf.Nazis provided better medical services to Jews then their own soldiers? How can they be such cucks?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nShe never even existed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nscabies and typhus sure are weird diseases to suddenly pick up, especially when she was healthy at the time they abducted her. Sounds like the nazis put her into incredibly unsanitary conditions that led to her ultimate death."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nShe was an mythological archangel that Hitler saw in visions and was later historicized by Otto Frank using ballpoint pen."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nits Yahweh"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nIts God, you heretical kike speaking faggot."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">Its God, you heretical kike speaking faggot."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nIt's YaHeeWaaHuaee"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nJews heavily taboo the name of God, so they write it \"G-d\" even in English. They read the letters YHWH as \"adonai\" in prayer and \"hashem\" in speech.\nActually calling him Yahweh is non-Abrahamic usage."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll jews go to Hell"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nDoes that include Hitler, since he was Jewish?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nhe was black"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n\n...How was Hitler Jewish?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNevermind, he was black with a micro BBC apparently"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI could have saved her soul and her womb (with my dick)."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nShalom"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\n\nGermans can’t go to Hell because they don’t have souls to begin with"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody will be saved without faith in Christ."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>NOOOOOOOOO MUH HECKING HOLOCAUST"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\n>schicklgrubber"}, {"id": 27, "content": "That is business between them and God but I'm just saying you can snatch souls out of the fire if you go before God the right way, your friends, your family, anyone. Religion kills."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe's Jewish, so yes. Hell."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nHis Talmud says so"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Retvrn to the one holy apostolic chvrch"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no god and Jesus didn't exist. Your religion is based on a Jew story written half a century later with no complete documents until the 4th century. All Christianity is a crock of shit no matter which cult you subscribe to."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAbove"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nNope jew lover, im not a sheep and go my own way"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>demonically possessed hands wrote this"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>demonic possession is when you say historically verified and reliable information"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThere's a lot of accounts to Jesus' life when he was alive by Roman officials, even Richard Dawkins thought he at least existed"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese guys took the worst bits of Latin Christianity and expanded on it."}, {"id": 9, "content": "I looked him up thinking it would be\ngeneric Sede shit and instead it's a full blown cult. The most hilarious story is the former \"Pope\" being excommunicated for stealing the church's money."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine covering yourself with all that gold and luxirious cloething and still think you are following Jesus"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>There's a lot of accounts to Jesus' life when he was alive by Roman officials\nchristcucks fabricated more documents?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>There's a lot of accounts to Jesus' life when he was alive by Roman officials\nNo. There's a reference to Christians 100 years later."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nWho is it?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmarian_Christian_Church\nThe guy is Joseph Odermatt or Pope Peter III. It spit off from the Roman Catholic church in the 70s, but it's basically Jehovah's Witness tier in terms of controlling their followers."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIts worse, its more like Branch Davidians but Catholic"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that the Palmyrian Church?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nRomans literally invented Christianity."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nby killing Christians?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs weird as they are, I always found the cathedral quite beautiful."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Your church kissed Emperor Constantine's ass, and he made your new Orthodoxy \"legal\" and crushed all opposition to his Council of Nicea in favor it. What he actually did was bring back eventual absolute control of religion by the rich nobles and governments who had had a lock on it for all of civilization's history before then, until the Christian counterculture had let commoners become leaders, and participants of a religion of their own, run by their own. That was soon over! Soon his successors brought back the Roman caste system as \"christians\" with a holy vengeance and destroyed whatever \"freedom\" ordinary people had to discuss religious thought freely for 1300 years, and crushed any remnants of upward economic and social mobility that was left. The final demise of anything resembling religious tolerance was the Alexandrian mob dragging Hypatia from her chariot and the vicious mauling and torturing of her, and then her murder at the direction of the city's Bishop for daring to talk with his rival. That incident was the real start of the religious Dark Ages because the Christian fanatics had won. On their way out of the RE, the now heretics and \"pagans\" left their scriptures in a jar hidden in a cave, and took classic Philosophy, Science, and Mathematics texts with them. And, Western Civilization was then ruled by Ignoramuses until the latter was introduced back into society by the Moslems of all people..."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nFabricated by Tertullian."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nWithout irony, actually. Myths are much more real than history"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nPeople like Augustine and Thomas Aquinas definitely used classical philosophy and science as influences...\nThe only thing moslems reintroduced was slavery..."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nimagine thinking you're a follower of christ while wearing regalia more gaudy than any roman emperor"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Whats up with LARPers like this always seeming out of place with their vestments? I feel like when I see real bishops wear their stuff it fits with how they look but dudes like in OPs pic stick out like a sore thumb"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMe and a friend were talking about how to cultmaxxx and what policies would need to be implemented in order to maximize growth. We eventually boiled it down to oppressing women and forcing them to have many kids."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\nIf you meditated for several hours for several weeks, you would know God in some form exists."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\n>until the latter was introduced back into society by the Moslems of all people...\nYou're referring to the Renaissance. The re-introduction of classical texts at this point was primarily brought about by members of the Greek diaspora fleeing the Turks. It was not brought about by Muslims teaching Christians. As for the rest of your post, it's factual content is likewise scarce at best. One further example...\n>The final demise of anything resembling religious tolerance was the Alexandrian mob dragging Hypatia from her chariot and the vicious mauling and torturing of her, and then her murder at the direction of the city's Bishop for daring to talk with his rival.\nChristians at the time were appalled by her death and petitioned to have the Bishop sent away in exile."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nFated to failure, as the bedrock of cults are single women unable to have children"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThis guy looks JUST LIKE JESUS, WOW THE GOLD"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nI was wrong about the source of the Renaissance, OK? Other Christians strongly objected to Hypatia's murder, OK? But, the tone of the nobles didn't change, and they were still in charge of the Church, and their course was set - they owned who would rule over the Church, then the Church would control their legitimacy to rule. You try to write that much and not make some factual errors along the way! I'm not writing a thesis, I'm trying to make some points, and there's a character limit. My mistakes at least create a conversation, and that's the whole point!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nThe Moslems didn't have to reintroduce slavery - the RE didn't abolish slavery! Did Augustine or Thomas Aquinas deviate in any respect against Orthodoxy, or were they constrained about what they could write? I was trying to create an outline of a great span of time that had a great many twists and turns, and ironies along the way."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>2\nJudaism as we know was based on Plato..."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nProminent clergy are basically professional public figures, like politicians they have aides whose job is to teach them how to speak clearly, gesticulate and look regal. Their clothes are made to fit by the very best tailors, not only properly accommodating their needs but also bringing out the very best look possible. Furthermore, to show up in television (and even in public) they must go through a makeup session, the places they'll occupy are all lit up by professionals, and finally, the crew knows how to capture the best angles possible and in the case of pictures, these are further selected from among hundreds for only the most striking to be published.\n\nThis is like those guys who buy that scorpion jacket and then wonder why it looks like shit, it's quite simple really: neither the jacket or the place they're going to were tailored to make them look their very best. The guy in the OP would profit immensely if the crown was fitted higher in his brow (making his face not as wide) and obviously shaving that shit so that he doesn't look like he drives a truck for a living."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should discussion of mutt history be permanently banned from discussion on /his/, it's a nothing infantile country with no history. It has no ruins, nothing interesting, and no Healthcare. It isn't a country, it's a corporation pretending to be one"}, {"id": 2, "content": "But what about muh random Presidentz who used to smoke weedz and was a esoteric as fuck duuuude. Wish I could hear his podcast while eating goyslop and drinking goyjuice."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it's a corporation pretending to be one\nthat's what makes them interesting though"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I wish this website would open \"/rc/ - Race\" and dump all obviously muttmerican-made threads in there from all boards."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it's a corporation pretending to be one\nI fucking wish, it's a Marxist shithole. At least if it was a corporation they wouldn't be running it so retardedly"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>true democratic republic capitalism has not been tried\nI don't like Marxism (or at the least the gay equality humanism the French/Western Europe have going on), but come on"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThey already did, it’s called /pol/. Mutts don’t seem to be content with it though."}, {"id": 8, "content": "If someone opened a topic about the VOC no one would bat an eye, if someone brought up a recent nation like Croatia or Slovakia no one would mind, if someone made a thread about Venice no one would care. Even modern Greece is younger than the US and there's threads about Greeks all the time. The US is an Anglo colony like Canada or Australia, it had a functional culture until the Atlantic Charter turned into a modern Venice. I hate /pol/ so much, it's just people bitching about their countries and this website is mostly American so it leaks out everywhere."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope seethe more thirdie"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">mutt\nname a more retarded insult\nall of the west has been mutted since the bronze age"}, {"id": 11, "content": "im sure your village has its own imageboard if you dont want to use the american one, right?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGee, which thirdie country is seething about us today, I wonder?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\n>>4\n>Mutt mutt mutt mutt mutt!\n>t."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>and no Healthcare.\ngreat bait"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nIt's a cope insult. Aside from a lengthy history where not much of note happened aside from a few countries like England or Italy, Euros are worse than Americans in every way and they damned well know it so they LARP that they aren't all mixtures of basically everything in Europe so that they can say \"at least I'm not a mutt!\". all the whole calling concepts of race \"an American thing\". It's sad but just let them have their cope, we let every other group do it after all and it's really all they've got."}, {"id": 16, "content": "But if we can't discuss America how can we answer the one burning question that has been haunting European thinkers since 1492: Do Americans really?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd suggest instead of banning mutt history we shoud ban the discussion of mutt style \"\"religion\"\" cults."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYes, we do."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\n\n>The US is an Anglo colony like Canada or Australia, it had a functional culture until the Atlantic Charter turned into a modern Venice\n\nNo, it fucking is not. This is a Brit, Australian, or Canadian, right? It is an actually successful, populous, dominant society with history and culture. Australia and Canada are not."}, {"id": 20, "content": "every time butthurt eurotrash posts about how much they hate their lords and masters (us) it makes my cock harden a little and gives me a burst of energy\n\nthanks guys!"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nDesperately contradicting reality out of your own jealousy. Either a troll, or a dumbass\n\n>infantile country\n\nOne of the oldest surviving nation states that had a population of 100 million by the 1910s...\n\n>No ruins\n\nYes it does, it has native ruins. Most European countries don't have ruins, or barely have any. Laughable to pretend Mexico has florid history just because it has some impressive ruins, for example.\n\n>Nothing interesting\n\nBy what standard? It's been one of the most populous, culturally innovative societies for over 100 years, has a much more tumultuous history than most countries, and underwent more development and historical crises than any society its age ever has, it's already a superpower, and has been for 100+ years, and is diverse and dynamic and ever-changing in a way no other country is. This is cope - America is the most interesting country on earth, and that's why you people are obsessed with us.\n\n>No healthcare\n\nretarded, incoherent addition to this list. We have better healthcare than where you came from.\n\nYour country is probably less than 50 years old, and utterly insignificant, so you sit and seethe."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Cope and seethe. Your country is our vassal, best part about it is that your country wished to be one."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nAmen brother, these military bases need to shut the fuck up"}, {"id": 24, "content": "\"America suck LOL Europe based you mutt\"\n>Typed on an American designed computer\n>Posted from American made software\n>While chugging American coke\n>opens up tab on American browser\n>Watches porn of American Cocks\n>Wipes cum on American brand clothes\nYou faggots worship us and we dont even have to try"}, {"id": 25, "content": "This is an American planet\nEurope is still like a whining child as it’s superior sibling matures well into adulthood."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Yeah, ban all discussion of nations and time periods without socialized healthcare! Also, ban all discussion of white people! It's time to get with the times, yo!"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nThis has nothing to do with healthcare. Ban it."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIt's a ruin. I'm not gonna argue politics with a retard, just pointing out there is plenty of history here."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Kill your son to prove you love m-\n\nNo."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why doesn't abraham or most old testament characters for that matter have any conscience? It's like they're controlled by disembodied voices who sometimes appear under the name of YHWH"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBecause abrahamic religions were written for NPCs"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThats called having faith in God and believing in his love anon."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nBecause it's just a bunch of poorly-edited bronze age stories designed to give an irrelevant ME statelet a glorious history, which even the smartest Christians are forced to hide behind claims that its mostly allegorical to get around.\n>It doesn't matter if there's no evidence for a mass exodus of Hebrews from Egypt, akcshoally it's really just a metaphor for Christians abandoning worldly power and pleasures for God's..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBut I like having individuality. God might as well hijack my body and take the rein himself so I can do 100% of what he wants."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou always have the choice to reject and be an \"individual\". Abraham was chosen because he was an individual who chose God. You have free will so I don't know what you are trying to argue on."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>You know what, it doesn't matter that the conquest of canaan never happened and the people who wrote the book were just another Canaanite province\n>Yes the temples and monuments of solomon never existed but it doesn't matter because that's not the point\n>Yeah Jews retroactively wrote Deuteronomy and Kings as a political weapon but it's fine it was all part of Gods plan\n>Jesus was a historical person so it's fine if everything else is allegorical/symbolic :)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat’s right goy! And DONT forget to support israel, it’s exactly what YHWH would have wanted :)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nIt's because they weren't conscious. No one before the bronze age collapse was."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Abraham was testing God\nif the God he loved was worthy of worship, it wouldn't kill his son"}, {"id": 12, "content": "I never got this argument. Atheists would tell you\n>the Bible is a work of fiction\n>God isn't just because He had Abraham sacrifice his son\nIn the same breath. But if we take it to be 100% fiction, and we know that within the story, the character \"God\" is known to be omnipotent, omniscient and belevolent, why argue His motives?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nKilling your son is Gay"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nBecause people take the stories as something to emulate retard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nAh, so the issue isn't that God is capricious and makes you kill your children on a whim.\nThen what's the problem? You should sacrifice what's dearest and most important to you to please God.\n>inb4 interpreting what I said as actually killing your family"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nHis motives are in no way benevolent.\n\nGod is fictional and in no way represents any sort of sane and decent moral code. The character portrayed in the Old Testament Jewish ramblings is a vain bastard who delights in playing mindgames with his victims on par with the worst of the pagan gods."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWithin the fictional (according to you) story of the Bible, it's canon, an established fact, that God is good and His motives are benevolent. Everything He does sets the standard for morality."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAnd what a twisted morality that is\n\nPunishing entire nations and races for the bad actions of a few among them, drowning the entire planet, hardening pharos heart against releasing the jews and then killing all first born egyptian sons because he hardened pharos heart in the first place"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nSurely you know better than an omniscient God"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI know better than a bunch of inbred yuck people writing bronze age mythos"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Surely you know better than an omniscient God.\nIs the same God who demanded that the Jews cut the throats of animals and pour the blood into an altar, so he could forgive them for sinning? The same God who told the Jews to mutilate all baby boys genitals - Seems kinda messed up.\nThe same God who took the form of a Jew rabbi called gentle Jesus meek and mild, and took part in a human sacrifice, dying, but not really dying, so our \"sins\" could be absolved, if only we believe it happened. Its stupid as fuck."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat is literally the lesson of the story.\n\nThe Canaanites that Abraham lived amongst practiced child sacrifice so he is taught the lesson that the almighty GOD can provide his own sacrifices as well as foreshadowing the LORD sacrificing his only SON."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo punch God in the face is the same as punching your own face."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nKino foreshadowing.\nIf only it had actually happened."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>o he is taught the lesson that the almighty GOD can provide his own sacrifices as well as foreshadowing the LORD sacrificing his only SON.\nhow about having NO sacrifices of any living thing. Sacrificing a life to absolve a sin is primitive Jewish nonsense."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>sacrificing a life\n\nHe literally conquers death to bring about eternal life.\n\nI am not going to listen to anyone who agrees with the Jews in their hatred of Jesus."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Im going to sacrifce myself to myself to save (You) from myself\n\nThat's a really, really, really stupid story"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>He literally conquers death to bring about eternal life.\nBut if he is an all powerful God why create death in the first place?\nWhy jump through all these hoops?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>>28\nIt's a bronze age religion with bronze age logic. When you realize this, everything makes sense."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nYeah we get it. You larp as someone who worships a magic jew to rebel against your liberal parents."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFun fact: Genesis 22, when God identifies Isaac to be the sacrificial victim, says\n\n>Take your son, your only* son, the one you love, Isaac.\n\nAt the end of the narrative, when the angel talks to Abraham in verse twelve, it is now just\n\n>You have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.\nWith the phrase \"The one you love\" very clearly omitted.\n\n* The word יְחִידְךָ most literally means \"Your alone one\", and refers to a child who is the only child of his or her mother."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\nThey do have emotion though. Moses shows a lot of emotion in Deuteronomy. In general the stakes are high and the actions are described not the emotions that’s why you don’t feel like the people show emotion most of the time. It just says they did something not in what way or state of mind. Also anyone that goes against god shows their emotions. Like aarron and the king moab"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Says there is no salvation for schismatics\n>Is a literal schismatic"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">censors shirtless men"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Believe stage magicians use real magic\nThat's where the Sedes jumped the shark."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Says there is no salvation for schismatics\nSo did the Popes/Catholic Church."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Is this the latest eceleb I'm supposed to pretend to give a shit about"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nNgl I was dying laughing at that video, but he truly does know a lot of canon"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">the people accusing you of being a weird guy who wears a fedora hang on the words of this shark eyed psycho in a robe\nWhat the fuck is going on lmao"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Is a literal schismatic\nYou should debate him on the topic of whether the Novus Ordo is consistent with PreV2 Catholicism."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYeah this is why he has respect, he has always debated anyone and everyone I've seen he wins, even on the Pints with Aquinas channel which is like a Novus Ordo epicenter"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity has lost its way and tens of millions have died over minor theological spats."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is this guy being shilled here all of a sudden?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI mean I like him because he btfo Jay dyer the snob"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nbut they are the true Church"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nTens of millions is a little dramatic, none of the major wars of the past like 300 years have been mainly about religion (concerning Christians)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhis analytical approach is as catholic as it gets, but i think he gatekeeps on certain topics. sedes cause seethe"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>>2\nWhich video was this?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rIrNhcM-94&t=4s [Embed]"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Is this not just depressing to you people?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nI see them as revealers, they don't really offer any solutions besides praying the rosary but they reveal a lot of canonical Catholic truths and shake things up in a state where most people would rather just ignore everything going wrong"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine believing that the point of life was to beg a magic jew to give you a ticket to a magic jew kingdom in the sky for obedient dead goys."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYou can believe in the the countless miracles of the Church and it's power or not, no need to be derisive"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nCan’t tell if its funnier that Goring’s favorite movie is Moana, or that Trailerboy Pete gets uncomfortable around shirtless dudes. Comedy gold all around."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>dude just avoid mass and the eucharist\nliterally from satan. who gave him the authority to declare popes and the church invalid?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\n>>6\n>>16\n>>17\n>>22\nwhy would he censor it like it's something sexual? there are plenty of okay depictions of shirtless men in christian art like christ for example"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nHe's just following the example of Luther, only now with ultra legalism."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nFuck off, Dirk"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nI think he's trying to stress it as something vain and unnecessary, to my knowledge it's only that video and probably partially to troll Goring"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>9\nHe completely destroyed Cassman. And the weasel Trent Horn is too much of a pussy to debate him."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\nthe \"popes\" of vat 2 are heretics, you dont need higher authority to state that fact"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nIt's Michael not Peter."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWhich one’s which?"}, {"id": 32, "content": "What's the one where he believes magic tricks?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nIt says on their videos who is presenting. Michael has more of a troll bend to his vids, Peter seems more focused and serious. That's why Peter usually debates."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>17\nWhat the hell even is this video?\nIs his entire problem with the priest is hes shirtless when he exercises? How autistic do you have to be to be offended by that?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIf he’s shirtless, he could be tempting men and women into sin. Not that I agree, but I think that’s what his point is."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Will we ever really know what stone circles were for?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey probably worshipped YHWH there originally"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Humans relating to and worshipping the heavens"}, {"id": 4, "content": "trading pre settlements"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Toys of giants"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno because they're like a million years old and we don't have the technology. for all we know, it could be a place for gatherings, religious grounds, or just a memorial erected as part of a celebration"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were used to build ethnostates. The technology has long been lost."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nPlease spell it the Latin way. Jove."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStars and the sun and stuff. It spanned several different eras and people just kept building on it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was almost certainly a way to calculate changing seasons/the solstice by marking stellar/solar motion."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Most neolítich stone circles were season calendars.\nStonehenge is just a bunch of rocks built in the 50s. It's a scam."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So sad that the “cool pastor” cringefest has spread into Catholicism."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I read that as \"cringe pastor\" at first"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen will Catholicucks realize that they would have retained more converts by buying into the trad-conservative angle like Islam rather than cucking out to liberalism?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Ugh it's just like fuckin pr*tties!\nOf all the issues facing the Catholic Church that's what you choose to seethe about lol"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Goring is super cringe hut he’s a good guy at least."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Charismatic Catholicism\nwhat is this world coming to?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nEveryone’s saying: “what is this world coming to.”\nNobody’s ever saying: “what is this world cooming to?”"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\nJWs are the oniy religion that have escaped wokeness since we actually excommunicate blasphemers and heretics instead of allowing them to thrive"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou tell them sister!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThere's actually nothing wrong with this."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThe \"two witnesses rule\" is a scriptural procedure established by Jesus himself. I think Jesus would know what he was talking about.\n\nthat rule does not mean that no action will be taken unless two literal eyewitnesses presence the sin. Rather it means that no judicial action will be taken just on the base of an accusation without any evidence. Otherwise, it would take only a parent in the congregation falsely or mistakenly accusing you of molesting their child and you would be judged and disfellowshipped without any right to appeal. Would that be fair ?\n\nEven if you go to the police and file a report about anyone, they won't take any action unless some proof is presented. It's simply logical."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhen are there ever two witnesses present during a child being molested? You are a pedo ring, we get it. The FBI is currently investigating your organization for these crimes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYou didn't read what I said.\n\nThe so-called \"two witnesses rule\" is nothing else than common sense used in all modern judicial systems in the world: a person cannot be declared guilty based only on the witness of the accuser. Some proof is needed.\n\nIf you tell the elders your child was molested they will take the accusation very seriously. If the accused denies the charge, additional proof will be required to take judicial measures. That's logical, it's someone's word against someone else's. The \"second witness\" doesn't need to be someone who was present while the wrongdoing was committed. It can be forensic proof, other kind of evidence, or another (even previous) accusation by someone else against the same person.\n\nYou will be encouraged to report the abuse to the authorities, but of course the police will require the same kind of evidence. A person cannot be convicted just because you say he's a criminal.\n\nIf no evidence is produced, judicial action cannot be taken, but still the elders will warn the congregation, because the safety of our children is a priority. There will probably be a local needs talk warning not to leave your children with anyone, or they might prefer to warn every family in private. You cannot go around saying brother XX is a child abuser, the same as you can't go around saying he's a thief or a murderer if you can't prove it.\n\nOf course, you can go to the police and let them take care of the situation."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThe fuck so the elders got to do with it?\n\nThey should go to the police first thing, but you don't allow them to. You say it will \"bring reproach on Jehovah's name\" so you do your hardest to shame and threaten the parents so they sweep it under the rug. The police are onto your little pedo ring, all we have to do now is sit back and watch as your organization crumbles."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nAn elder can literally dismiss all accusations by refusing questioning.\n\nDo not even pretend this is how we \"worldly\" people deal with rape accusations"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThis is in incorrect.\n\nlet us take you way back to 1962. The November 15 Watchtower from that year on page 693 clearly stated:\n\n\"9 Worldly authorities render a judgment and punish persons, whether they are inside the congregation or outside, if they violate the laws of decency and good order. The violators have no right to complain at such punishment, as Paul showed by his words before Caesar’s judgment seat. (Acts 25:11) Hence the Christian congregation cannot protect any of its members if they steal, smuggle, commit bigamy, murder, libel, defraud, and so forth. The congregation must release such guilty members to punishment by worldly authorities. Since the guilty break the laws of the land and thus oppose the “authority,” they are taking a stand against God’s arrangement.\n\n10 The Christian congregation has no orders from God and has no right to protect such opposers and lawbreakers from the due punishment by the “authority” of the land. We cannot hinder, oppose or condemn the execution of the krima or judgment by aiding or shielding lawbreakers. To do so would put the Christian congregation also in opposition to God’s arrangement. Besides letting the krima or “judgment” take its course upon offending members who bring reproach upon God’s people, the congregation may disfellowship such lawbreakers. The congregation does not want to deserve a krima or “judgment” with the lawbreakers by siding or cooperating with them and opposing the worldly “authority.” It also wants no reproach.\""}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nActually, the two witnesses can be the court evidence and the child. It can be the DNA evidence and the child.\n\nThe policy says: \"...corroborating evidence can be used instead of a second witness to prove wrongdoing.\"\n\nAnd the Jan 30 1992 letter to elders states: \"Also, should further wrongdoing come to light during the trial it would be necessary for the matter to be re-examined, as is true of any judicial matter when additional wrongdoing is discovered.\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>>17\nYou don't convince anyone here with your bullshit. Everyone knows the true about the JW's."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Witnesses believe that worshipping God properly means living properly - which includes living honest, truthful and sober lives.\nhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/witnesses/witnessethics/ethics_1.shtml"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWith 1 YouTube search you can see all the scandals the JW's are in."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n“The naive person believes every word.”—Proverbs 14:15."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nWow, you got me!\n\nNah, you don't convince anyone. No one on this site is converting to JW. They all know what's up."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.\" (John 6:44)\n\nJehovah attracts all those who have a sincere heart, so we can be sure that all of his lost sheep will become Jehovah's Witnesses before the End of the world"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nHe attracts a lot of pedophiles to his cult also it seems.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kBh9Bm_pbA [Embed]"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThis video is a good thing since it proves Jehovah protects his congregation. I'm glad they were arrested, the Kingdom Hall must remain holy and clean.\n\nThe elders and the police did a great job cooperating in weeding out evil doers from the church\n\n“Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”—1 Corinthians 5:13."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThey were in the congregation for many years before they were caught and Jehovah didn't do shit to protect anyone all that time.\n\nHaha, no one is buying your bullshit."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAs soon as they was made aware of it, they acted swiftly to bring them to justice.\n\n\"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness.\" (2 Peter 3:9)"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nHey, whatever you have to tell yourself to protect your pedo cult. No one else wants to let their kids near that. No one else wants to live the pathetic life you live."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nActually, as Philip Brumley, general counsel for the Watchtower Society could confidently state: \"The policy that Jehovah's Witnesses have on how to handle cases of child molestation is without equal in the religious community.\"\n\nThe Paducah Sun, January 28, 2001 similarly reports that Watchtower attorney Mario Moreno \"would be willing to put the church's policy up against any other.\"\n\nIn other words, no religion has a better child abuse policy than Jehovah's Witnesses"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nI won't let my kid sit on your elder's lap at the kingdom hall no matter how hard you try to trick me."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>21\nIronic"}, {"id": 32, "content": "oh boy more useless christian shitflinging"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What topics would you guys like to see Dan cover next?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "wooden doors"}, {"id": 3, "content": "russian civil war. im sure it would be great"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPirates"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE DARTH VADER STEPPING... ONTO THE MILLENIAL FALCON, AND THAT WAS WHAT IT FELT LIKE WHEN HITLER INVADED CZECHOSLOVAKIA!\n>AND you have to understand, THAT the Holocaust was like THANOS winning FOREVER. He snaps and HALVES the population of Jews worldwide but there's no part 2! There's... no Avengers to come along and snap and reverse the damage he's done... THOSE Jews - and let's not forget all the rest the Germans killed like the Slavs and the partisans and the rest... they... STAY DEAD! THANOS JUST WON... FOREVER!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncrusades"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nthis please dan shill"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI can hear his voice. He actually does mention Darth Vader a lot"}, {"id": 9, "content": "three kingdoms but he would literally never finish it\n\nNo more vikings though, holy shit they are boring. No one cares about hut dwelling vanilla gorillas and their chimpouts."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nhe's said darth vader like 4-5 times ever in all of his podcasts"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAs far as I can remember it was only in Kings of Kings."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nThe Darth Vader analogy is used many times."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe one where he puts out more than like four hours a year of content. Addendum is SHIT and a waste of time. Did the Pacific even get finished?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYeah, it really did take forever though."}, {"id": 15, "content": "I refuse to believe it takes months to make these. He's just rambles and goes on tangents for hours. I doubt there's much editing needed"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nMost of what he says is scripted or has notes for. He also collects quotes from old history books. I imagine he spends half his time scavenging suburban archives for quotes and historical ideas."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Most of what he says is scripted or has notes for.\nYeah no I heavily doubt this\n>He also collects quotes from old history books\ndoesnt take months\n>I imagine he spends half his time scavenging suburban archives for quotes and historical ideas.\nI imagine he reads well known and regarded history books and pop history books.\n\nIt's easy to tell when you listen to his Roman episodes since I assume everyone here knows about Rome."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\n\nThree Kingdoms would be great. Usually the parts of history where everything is a depressing clusterfuck gets ignored, but Three Kingdoms shows that there's heroes and good drama even in the worst of times."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">sentient oil\njesus christ"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhat?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\n>AND AGEHN\n>AND AGENN"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNappy time\nSTOP PUTTING IT OFF DAN FYCKING LETS GO\n>its actually a seven part series on Italian renaissance politics\nI'm okay with this."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>22\nThese"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\n>>22\nBased"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Where can I find the rest of his podcasts? Im sorry Dan I'm not paying 5 dollars per episode."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n$80 for 55 eps is less than $2 per.\n\n>>1 (OP)\nI want to see Dan trip over Indian names for 15 hours, so the British conquest of India or something something great game."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYou should pay Dan desu"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nBased Dan."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Britain: Leading academics from around the world discuss a topic\n\nAmerica: A Redditor discusses a topic"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nForgot my pic"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Moors, and I want him to spend the first three hours demonstrating over and over that they weren't negroes."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nI don't think he cares about their skin color, and neither do I, but I'd like to know more about the Moors. What specifically would you like to see covered other than we wuz not kangz?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nThe last podcast thread I was in on here, everybody said this sucked ass."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nTry it out and make up your own mind you lazy fuck"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nI get my opinions from 4chan."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Unification of Germany and the empire before WWI"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nFranco-Prussian War?\nhttps://youtu.be/vWZz-lHCu-M [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did America invade Iraq?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAllah predestined it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStill outraged that they weren’t able to kill Saddam a decade prior, so they manufactured evidence to give them an excuse to do so. Better question, and one that ties in with a more complex answer - why was nobody charged over this?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "For their masters: Israel and war profits"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Because fuck sandniggers and Jarhead needed some inspiration to be that kino."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n$"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Cos pizza"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nIs there any good book about this whole conflict?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nto kill cunts and fuck shit up"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmore than one reason\n>invasion of Kuwait\n>saddam attacking Israel\n>war profits and stealing gold and money\n>establish military bases close to iran\n>put rulers that will bend over whenever the US asks them to do so\n>oil\nthey killed a shit ton of people but they got what they wanted"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nSeveral, if you're willing to do thousands and thousands of pages of reading."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>oil\nUS oil imports from Iraq peaked in 2002."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Neocon retards thought they could nation build with war"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>He thinks it was about Iraqi oil\nIt was Saudi oil they wanted while cutting off oil supply from Iraq to other nations."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nSure. If you can just name a few."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImpose American values aka democracy, McDonalds, and gay pride parades in Baghdad"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe neocons had a smoldering hatred of Saddam dating back to the Gulf War and had been plotting their revenge for over a decade. It gets overlooked nowadays, but regime change in Iraq became the stated objective of the United States government in the 1990s, and there was an army of analysts and commentators trying to sell the idea to the people."}, {"id": 18, "content": "USA had near complete global hegemony in the 90s and 2000s.\nChina was still third world tier, Russia had become third world tier. USSR was gone.\n\nA nation in that position tend to do reckless shit. You youngfags have no clue how much the world hated USA back then for playing world police.\n\nAnyway, it wouldn't be possible today."}, {"id": 19, "content": "In 1993, the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) directed and pursued an attempt to assassinate, through the use of a powerful car bomb, former U.S. President George Bush and the Emir of Kuwait. Kuwaiti authorities thwarted the terrorist plot and arrested 16 suspects, led by two Iraqi nationals.\n\nIraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.\n\nIraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.\n\nIraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.\n\nIn April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers. The rules for rewarding suicide/homicide bombers are strict and insist that only someone who blows himself up with a belt of explosives gets the full payment. Payments are made on a strict scale, with different amounts for wounds, disablement, death as a \"martyr\" and $25,000 for a suicide bomber. Mahmoud Besharat, a representative on the West Bank who is handing out to families the money from Saddam, said, \"You would have to ask President Saddam why he is being so generous. But he is a revolutionary and he wants this distinguished struggle, the intifada, to continue.\""}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n\nFormer Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo eliminate one of Israel's enemies"}, {"id": 22, "content": "classified reasons that we'll only know in 20 years"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nThis is some some deep lore. Thanks for telling me."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nsource on this ? it sounds interesting"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nwhitehouse.gov"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndecline in jewish IQs in the 20th century means you have a lot of pretty dumb nepotism kikes in power in the late 20th century. They thought they could transform it into Arizona in a few months, because they thought they done something similiar to Japan and Germoney. Israeli kikes told them a lot of bullshit intel about Weaposn of Mass Destruction because the american kikes told them they would invade Iran next."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>10\n>>establish military bases close to iran\n\ncountry that u invade falls into iranian influence of zone. wtf?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nThe fucking American government themselves have admitted Salman Pak was not a training ground for terrorists, not a single soul still believes these lies apart from the most hardline neocon talking heads."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nthat's because the muricans were too naive they put a shia prime minister and a parliament with a majority of shia, because of the religious similarities they'd rather work with iran instead of saudi arabia and other neighbors that hate shia's guts, it's different now but it's not any better, they still work with iran.\npolitical parties are mafia tier now and they divide the money between themselves, if one party is not satisfied things might escalate to street wars, you might get killed for insulting the head of a political party or a Muslim leader, oh well a large majority of the people here are not exactly smart"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nUnipolar moment led americans to pursue completely retarded and unsustainable conquests. When you believe that you are entitled to rule over the entire world, you will inevitably overstretch yourself."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>people admit it's a terrorist training camp\n>capture it\n>a few years later quietly say it wasn't a terrorist training camp\nreminds me of\n>US soldiers admit to finding WMDs\n>some are even hospitalized after finding them\n>find entire bunkers covered in hastily poured cement\n>when asked to enter them they are denied\n>US government denies any WMDs are found"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>little sadam started getting uppity after decades of being moderately hostile or indifferent to american influence\n>amerigoblins think they can destroy the country and then sanction him to death and things will get better or he will bend the knee\n>doesn't work\n>iraq is now overtly anti american and making a fuss even with its crippled military from iran-iraq war and 1991 war\n>war makes some people a lot of money\n>amerigoblins think they can just destroy the country again and this time put a bunch of think tank retards in charge of it to make it normal again"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>3\nSilly liberal, the only people who get charged with war crimes are the losers Why would the people running things throw themselves into the pit of snakes for no reason?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nhere's your WMDs bro"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\nWhat's happens now that Iran and Saudi Arabia re-established relations?"}, {"id": 36, "content": "What doomed American lead reconstruction of Iraq was 1. Disbanding the Iraqi Army. 2. Banning Ba’ath party members from public life."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>15\nThe Gulf War Chronicles.\nThunder Run for a battle account of the Battle of Baghdad."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a reason people hate him less than Lenin, Stalin, or Hitler despite his regime leading to so many accidental deaths? So even nixon was able to have a friendly political conversation with the guy"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He doesn't pay the white tax in terms of historical revisionism.\nFor example, Imperial Japan is popularly seen as less evil than Germany, despite the whole unit 731, opium cigarette plan to make China a bunch of crackhead tweakers who couldn't fight back, and torture of PoWs.\n\nBut as far as systematic evil Mao never tried to cause harm. Stalin's collectivization was a deliberate choice between the lives of the peasants or industrializing and he chose industrializing. Mao never actively chose a famine, it was a retarded policy that led to it, which isn't the same as actively choosing it and being okay with it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe system he built still exists and he didnt go full schizo like Stalin to murder everyone competent around him"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin and Hitler intentionally murdered millions of their own\n\nLe 60 million deaths attributed to Mao’s policies were side effects of a number of other causes not entirely within the realm of the government’s control, albeit mismanagement definitely contributed to that. Regardless, it was not an intentional act of mass murder."}, {"id": 5, "content": "because he split from the USSR and buddied up to Nixon, and your media is almost 100% regime propaganda"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many countries did he invade compared to Hitler/Stalin, start there. All \"hate\" for any leader is really just ethnic resentment cloaked in ideological dressing. Or why do you think Russians love Stalin and Poles hate him, even though Stalin probably got more Russians killed"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n\nHe did help the north side of the Korean conflict and Tibet, the majority of the tibetian side sided with the CPC"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is easier to blame the chinese for being chinese that it is for to blame Mao in order to explain the faults considering he often was not directly involved in what was going on and often people acting in his name were just people who were emboldened by him rather than following orders from him."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>he didnt go full schizo like Stalin to murder everyone competent around him\nThis is one of the most woefully incorrect posts I've ever seen on /his/, not from a subjective view but simply objectively wrong.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Rightist_Campaign#Famous_Rightists\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#Precursor"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nHe literally invaded India though."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nDoesn’t even come close to stalin’s purges"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nas you said, the vast majority of Mao’s death toll were accidental, not deliberate as the Axis powers or perhaps Stalin were. Again compared to Stalin, Mao very rarely directly ordered executions. He was utterly nonchalant to human life, as in “if tens of millions die for us to win then whatever lol” but generally he would have preferred for all those famine victims to not die. I suppose that makes him a shade less evil than Hitler (?)\nalso he wasn’t a racist and appreciated the abilities of women.\n\nB) it’s really difficult to overstate the contrast as to what China was under Mao, compared to the Qing dynasty and the warlords. Think carefully about the reaction Qing China had to foreign invaders compared to Maoist China. A couple thousand drugged up bandits swinging machetes, versus the Communist Party’s gigantic iron-willed legions that paralyzed the influence of 15 countries in Korea and whose grip could not be loosened with anything less than nuclear carpet-bombing. The contrast is even more stark than Russia’s shit performance in WW1 to the USSR brute-force steamrolling all of Eastern Europe in WW2.\n\nFrom a cynically collectivist perspective, out of every ten Chinese under his rule, mao starved one of them to death with retarded economic fever dreams, sent another to the labour camps, and taught the other eight that remained how to read, how to quit opium (struggle session miracle cures,) how to expertly wage guerilla warfare, made them feel dignified again by letting them kill their hated landlords, and filled them with hope for the future.\nFrom a civilizational perspective, Mao’s regime was the first Chinese state in 300+ years able to motivate the vast peasantry into accomplishing mass feats of military heroism on modern battlefields and fanatically struggle as one for a better tomorrow. the only perspective from which Mao is truly loathsome is a Western Faustian individualist perspective, not inherent to most of the planet."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMostly just that nobody really cares to learn about him in the West besides memes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>versus the Communist Party’s gigantic iron-willed legions that paralyzed the influence of 15 countries in Korea and whose grip could not be loosened with anything less than nuclear carpet-bombing\nYes, that's why they were forced to a standstill at Seoul despite Mao's claims that he would drive the foreigners off the Korean peninsula in a matter of years."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>remove thousands of prominent members of the party, kill several who have been in from the start like lin biao, exile others who have also been in from the start like deng until they become loyalists, torture others like peng dehuai to death over a period of years\nyeah bro totally not a real purge"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nThis is the correct answer. The Sino-Soviet split and Kissinger's moves with the PRC meant that it was politically disadvantageous for the US to spend decades giving the PRC both barrels like they did the USSR.\nThen the PRC joining the WTO and US companies outsourcing and nearly deindustrializing the US to China also made it inconvenient to spend a bunch of time ragging on the founding father of the country making a ton of American businessmen and politicians fat stacks."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nThe boundary between North and South pretty much ended up where it was at the beginning. Mao thought he could drive the UN off the entire peninsula but he was obviously wrong because logistics.\n\nBut, in a sense, that’s a technicality that doesn’t even really matter. Within one year of the Communists seizing power the Chinese people were motivated into becoming a fanatically motivated and coherent fighting force that was capable of inflicting wholesale destruction on the world’s most modern militaries. Entire American divisions were chewed up and spat out north of the Chong’Chon river. The point remains that there’s no fucking way the Qing or the Kuomintang could have accomplished anything even close to the 1950 Chinese rout of the UN out of North Korea. Korea even more so than the communist victory in the civil war is why Mao still has street cred amongst mainland Changs today."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\n>also he wasn’t a racist\nProbably true. His officers catered Indian commies with respect even though they expected nothing from them\n>and appreciated the abilities of women.\nYeah no lol. Remember when offered millions of Chinese as slaves to the west because there were too many Chinese in China? He thought of Chinese as bugs and himself as the ant queen."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Yeah no lol. Remember when offered millions of Chinese as slaves to the west because there were too many Chinese in China? He thought of Chinese as bugs and himself as the ant queen.\nBecause he thought of all people under his control as bugs, stupid. That’s my point. During the cultural revolution more than your fair share of red guards were women, and they were essentially given no distinction apart from the men. they were simply seen as mere fellow revolutionaries allowed to starve and struggle and join militias and get sent down to the countryside to shovel shit alongside the males."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI made a typo. He want to ship off those women as sex slaves. I don't know how you dont find that misogynistic."}, {"id": 21, "content": "what was the goal of shipping off the women, did he just want less dependents in the short term?\nlong term that would just increase western birth rates exponentially"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI think he was just joking but it sure tell how he saw women."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nif he could get away with it he would have just as readily sent off tens of millions of Chinese males to be slaves. Also he was talking to Westerners and decided to lighten the mood a little bit by joking about niggers and girls with them.\n\nI guess it’d be like asking “if Mao didn’t want nuclear war then why did he say he will inevitably win the future nuclear war even if half of China’s population dies??” Because he never actually launched the nukes or provoked the US enough to nuke, that’s why."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Changoids don't care about how many of their kind were killed by Mao, because they are constantly reminded of the nationalistic argument that he BTFO the arrogant white devils or whatever and that's all that matters.\n\nWesterners actually did pay a lot of attention to Mao's bullshit in the 60s during the Cultural Revolution, but then in the 70s after the Sino-Soviet split was well and truly baked in, Western leaders decided Communist China would be useful in fending off the Russians so everyone started to go easy on them.\n\nIt basically stayed that way right until 1989, when we all decided China bad again for about 15 minutes, after which AmCham started lobbying Washington to make nice.\n\nChina bad again now, of course, but the focus is less on Mao, and more on contemporary geopolitics."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nDude, it was a joke. Lighten up."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina went through the Sino-Soviet split and Nixon made a good move by establishing political relations with the PRC, hence he was slandered less in the US media and education system, and thus slandered less in all other US-friendly countries. It's not that complicated.\n\nFirst of all, you shouldn't put him in the same box (or anyone from that list, for that matter) with the likes of Hitler. A lot of the millions of deaths cited by some as lives taken by evil communist regimes weren't the cause of deliberate genocide, like what the Nazis were trying to do with the Holocaust and Generalplan Ost. In China in particular, the Great Chinese Famine, caused partially by Mao's policies, was simply another famine to many, Chinese peasants were accustomed to them by that point. There was a famine once every few decades in China, (before the second Sino-Japanese war, during the war it happened every few years) and they killed millions each time. It's kind of ridiculous to blame Mao or his government personally for the convergence of factors that caused this famine, even if he was part of the reason why it happened.\n\nSecondly, Mao's government made sure that this was the last major famine China faced, due to industrialization and the new political system. Westerners aside, the Chinese view him as a national hero for industrializing the country, protecting national sovereignity by chasing away the Japanese and the western-backed KMT, conducting land reform by giving land to peasants who were quite literally being starved by their landlords, and setting up the first functional government China had in centuries. It's kind of hard to view him as an evil monster when you're living in the PRC and your grandpa remembers living in a hut with barely enough food to survive, while you live in a fairly wealthy developed society with all sorts of modern amenities and things are only looking better every day."}, {"id": 27, "content": "idk seems pretty comfy to me\nhttps://youtu.be/0NRCGaRNNqg?t=2084 [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>18\n>Remember when offered millions of Chinese as slaves to the west because there were too many Chinese in China?\nPretty sure that was a joke (to Kissinger), which you could also read different ways because he was specifically referring to Chinese women, implying they'd make life hell for Americans. Maybe like a \"take my wife, please\" thing.\n\n>Mao: The trade between our two countries at present is very pitiful. It is gradually increasing. You know China is a very poor country. We don’t have much. What we have in excess is women. (Laughter)\nKissinger: There are no quotas for those or tariffs.\n>Mao: So if you want them we can give a few of those to you, some tens of thousands. (Laughter)\nZhou: Of course, on a voluntary basis.\n>Mao: Let them go to your place. They will create disasters. That way you can lessen our burdens. (Laughter)"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>wealthy developed society\nKek, Chinks are really delusional\nYou still have a long way to go to be \"developed\"."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nHere’s a little attention, now go look elsewhere"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nYou are butthurt because you know it's the truth. China is still third world outside of a few choice coastal cities. We all remember there was a worldwide pandemic because your people eat bats and pangolins at unsanitary turd world \"wet markets\". It was only three years ago."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nkek"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>15\nNot even a single outright murder. Not comparable\nThere was no Deng Xiaoping in the USSR because Stalin killed every last one of them\nAlso compare Bolshevik treatment of Romanovs vs CCP treatment of the Aisin Gioro clan"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\ngo bow to your negro overlords you pathetic mutt aka amerikneeler"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>China is still third world outside of a few choice coastal cities.\nAmerica is a third world shithole within all its cities"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey weren't \"accidental\" deaths, they were mass murders by the Communist government."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\nWhy do you worship him so much?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\nI said\n>fairly wealthy developed society\nWhich makes a pretty big difference when talking about these sorts of things, since it implies that there's still a lot to be done. In China, the rural parts are still decades behind the urban centers, hence the focus of the current administration on equal development, building infrastructure, and creating housing for future cities. You might know this if you spent more time reading about the countries you want to comment on instead of being a hateful amerimutt."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nAnd btw, this is based on data from 2005 and mostly meant to illustrate my point. It's probably a lot higher across all areas now."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>5\nExactly this... people were scared shitless of Mao in the 1960s but then everything was swept under the rug because of business. A great betrayal that will doom the world."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>SPIEGEL: Mr. Secretary, you have just celebrated your 88th birthday, meaning you are almost as old as one of the most influential political parties in world history -- the Communist Party of China (CPC), which turned 90 last week. Is it still accurate to call the CPC communist? Is China, the subject of your recent book, still communist?\nKissinger: It is not a communist country in the way it was historically defined -- with state management of the economy, state determination of the distribution of income, total monopoly of every aspect of intellectual life. The reforms of Jiang Zemin in the early 2000s sought to broaden the base of the Communist Party by the doctrine of The Three Represents. But China remains a communist country in the sense that the Communist Party retains a monopoly of political power.\n\n>SPIEGEL: Do you remember when you first perceived the CPC as an historical movement, perhaps even as an historical threat?\nKissinger: In the 1960s, I would have considered China with its CPC an ideologically more dynamic country than the Soviet Union. But the Soviet Union was strategically more threatening.\n\n>SPIEGEL: And yet you and President Richard Nixon did not shy away from resuming diplomatic relations with China's communist leadership, starting in 1973.\nKissinger: Great Britain and France had established diplomatic relations years earlier. Our talks with Beijing served a clear strategic purpose: We thought that a China and Soviet Union that balanced each other were in the Western strategic interest. Also, we thought it was very important to demonstrate to the American public, at that time divided by the Vietnam War, a new notion of international peace."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>SPIEGEL: Does the CPC have an ideological core left, or is it now just a convenient power vehicle for the Chinese elites?\nKissinger: The party will develop in the direction of the PRI party (Institutional Revolutionary Party) that ruled Mexico for about seven decades by making pragmatic adjustments. There can be a core ideological component left which, however, will not play the comprehensive role it did in the Mao period.\n\n[...]\n\n>SPIEGEL: You met dictator Mao Zedong several times in the 1970s. What would he think of modern China?\nKissinger: Mao was interested in his notion of the ideological purification of China more than in an economic recovery of China. In our conversations, he showed next to no interest in economic cooperation with the West. So he might consider current China to be too materialistic. He would probably not like the modern \"yuppies\" in Beijing or Shanghai.\n\n>SPIEGEL: \"Purity\" -- is that really the ideal you associate with Mao?\nKissinger: Mao's definition of purity was based on different premises than the West's. He inflicted monstrous suffering on the Chinese people. But I am just pointing out that the Chinese attitude is more complex. They appreciate that he united the Chinese people.\n\n>SPIEGEL: Are the Chinese beginning to think that perhaps Mao was onto something?\nKissinger: The generation of China's former leader Deng Xiaoping (who ruled in the 1980s and 1990s) considered the Cultural Revolution an unmitigated disaster. I believe it to be a huge disaster, too. But there are now people in China who look at the policies launched by Mao as something that might have had some significance, even as it went too far.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/MQ10_LIA58o?t=2092 [Embed]"}, {"id": 43, "content": "Millions of Chinese dying isnt exactly an original accomplishment"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>2\n>But as far as systematic evil Mao never tried to cause harm\nMao shipped grain out of the country he knew was in the middle of famine and then demoted everyone who tried to alleviate it. He also caused the whole cultural revolution thing where he forbade anyone from intefering with the middle-schoolers who were torturing their teachers.\n\nHonestly i think Mao is way more evil than Stalin because at least Stalin had SOME results, meanwhile most of China growth comes from undoing Mao's policies"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWesterners don't care about chinese people"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>33\n>He might have hounded the purged to suicide but at least he didnt shoot them!\nRetard"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>26\n>In China in particular, the Great Chinese Famine, caused partially by Mao's policies, was simply another famine to many, Chinese peasants were accustomed to them by that point\nIt is literally the biggest famine in history and it was wholly from Mao's policies which included plowing up to two feet deep and planting rice too close to each other, and taking the food from peasants before it was eaten was as well mao's idea"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the others didn't come out and say \"COMARADE ARE YOU GOING TO LET THE SPARROW STEAL YOUR GRAIN?\" to their people. Enough said."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>43\n>@diyorchidectomy"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nwtf xi was supposed to stop this"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nI find it hilarious that /pol/tards now think the PRC is some kind of chud sanctuary after hearing headlines about the CPC doing evil femboy uyghur genocides in anglo media. In reality, China is probably better for LGBT people than a lot of first-world nations due to the availability of medication, lack of discrimination, and less sensationalist media making bank off ragebait regarding tranny sports or whatever issue it is this week"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nThat's because China has the culture we had in the west as little as 20 years ago where it wasn't shoved in peoples faces. If they started flying the LGBT+brown and black flag from every street people would quickly start saying the CCP had lost the mandate of heaven."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nI honestly don't think that would be the case, since there's no conditions in China for the specific kind of culture war we have in the West. There's none of the kind of outrage media machine allowed in China since for better or for worse, the gov bans things it considers toxic to public discourse, and LGBT people are generally taken care of by the state and their communities, so the kind of material discrimination they've faced in the West isn't going to happen in China. You can't have a culture war when you don't have liberal media and conservative media autistically screeching through the airwaves and turning people into psychos, so I'm pretty hopeful when it comes to China, at least on that cultural front"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>4\nSo Hitler and Stalin were evil, and Mao was a fucking retard, essentially."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he was a based retard"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause a lot of historians think they he was some retarded jade emperor who didn't know what he was doing in the great leap forward and didnt know about the famine while his bureacrats followed orders and what they think mao wants. in my opinion, he knew about the famine because his advisors repeatedly told him about how shit the GLF was before he purged them, but in some pol pot fashion he also had a delusional side where he genuinely believed that the famine wasn't that bad. he knew of the famine but not of the scale, and he genuinely didnt believe that the real famine was because of his policies; he knew his policies were causing hardship but thought the actual famine were caused by natural disasters and incompetence downstream. meanwhile, stalin and hitler knew what they were doing.\nWe also dont consider him as bad as stalin because he never had a Khrushchev secret speech moment (the cultural revolution was precisely to avoid a kruschev moment after all his subordinates shat in him for the famine), his purges were not as systemic and cruel as stalinist purges, and because the US allied with china to fight the soviet union."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\nThey banned HRT in China recently. It's illegal to buy it even with a prescription"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHistory is eurocentric, that's pretty much it"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nIt's not, I've seen the headlines, but having read the actual document behind them, it clearly states that it's a restriction on the online sale of injections and it includes numerous drugs aside from hormones"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccidental is unironically better than purposeful, targetted death. I'm not gonna be as mad at a guy who hit me with a car while rushing to the hospital for his dying wife as the guy who castrated me alive, raped my children then slit their throats in front of me, before shooting me in the face."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>51\n>Shanghai\nKnowing the city, this is most likely for foreign residents lol."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\ni tell you, last time i go to a synagogue"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>31\n>because your people eat bats\nuh yeah that's why"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">JESUS IS A REAL HISTORICAL FIGURE B-BECAUSE.... HE JUST IS YOU FUCKING CHUD\nIs there any evidence outside of muh bible at all for Jesus being real?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDead sea scrolls"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso, why does it matter if you're an atheist whether or not Jesus was a real historical figure?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n200 years before Jesus is born\n>>3\n>>>/his/"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nChristianity is a real historical movement regardless of whether Jesus was a real historical figure or not"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there any evidence outside of muh bible at all for Jesus being real?\nChristcucks will say Tacitus and Josephus, but this is debunked if you look into it.\n\nhttps://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reliability-of-Josephus-and-Tacitus-in-their-description-of-the-historical-Jesus\n\nTurns out Christcucks literally fabricated evidence"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe few early Jewish and Pagan polemics against Christianity that have survived various call Jesus of Nazareth a madman, a charlatan, bastard of a Roman soldier, black magic practioner, etc. They don't deny he existed as a historic figure.\nThe most likely answer is that he existed as a historic figure but not much about him can be verified and the supernatural claims are bullshit, same as Muhammad or Joseph Smith."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://historyforatheists.com/jesus-mythicism/"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>The few early Jewish and Pagan polemics against Christianity that have survived various call Jesus of Nazareth a madman, a charlatan, bastard of a Roman soldier, black magic practioner, etc. They don't deny he existed as a historic figure.\ncite the dates of these polemics"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWere there any serious inquiries into the historicity of Jesus in Roman times? Like when the Romans were persecuting Christians did they ever make any attempts to prove that Jesus wasn't a real person, or after the adopted Christianity as their state religion were there any attempts to prove that Jesus was a real person using their own records?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nIf only Richard Carrier's golems were able to read even 3 paragraphs of any writing."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Assuming Jesus didn't exist, what are the theories about his fabrication? Was it a single person who sat down and did all the work or was it just folk tales that merged into a \", Jesus\"\n>>10\n>Like when the Romans were persecuting Christians did they ever make any attempts to prove that Jesus wasn't a real person, or after the adopted Christianity as their state religion were there any attempts to prove that Jesus was a real person using their own records?\nI don't think people had the imagination to try and hard disprove/approve a historical figure existed. That mind set took several historical revolutions to evolve, this is the same mindset that leads to haplotype studies, experimental archeology and"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nJesus was the judaean version of Joe Sixpack"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nJesus' existence is the most obvious answer if we apply the Occam's Razor. It's way easier to assume he was real (even if the religious stories are fabricated) than to try to pierce down how the fuck did he simply manifested himself into the jewish and judean roman collective imaginary by being fictitious."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>SOCRATES IS A REAL HISTORICAL FIGURE B-BECAUSE.... HE JUST IS YOU FUCKING CHUD\nIs there any evidence outside of muh Socratic Dialogues at all for Socrates being real?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nOther contemporary Athenians like Aristophanes wrote about him"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nNot him but the Talmud (The modern Jewish holy book) is the source of the claim that Jesus was born when a Roman soldier cucked Joseph and that he is is currently boiling in shit and cum in hell."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nYou can say that but there are schitzos out there that believe the ancient greeks were all fabricated by a Byzantine scholar named Plethon\n\n>Georgios Gemistos Plethon (Greek: Γεώργιος Γεμιστός Πλήθων; Latin: Georgius Gemistus Pletho c.1355/1360 – 1452/1454), commonly known as Gemistos Plethon, was a Greek scholar[4] and one of the most renowned philosophers of the late Byzantine era.[5] He was a chief pioneer of the revival of Greek scholarship in Western Europe.[6] As revealed in his last literary work, the Nomoi or Book of Laws, which he only circulated among close friends, he rejected Christianity in favour of a return to the worship of the classical Hellenic Gods, mixed with ancient wisdom based on Zoroaster and the Magi.[7]\n\n>He re-introduced Plato's ideas to Western Europe during the 1438–1439 Council of Florence, in a failed attempt to reconcile the East–West schism. There,[8] Plethon met and influenced Cosimo de' Medici to found a new Platonic Academy, which, under Marsilio Ficino, would proceed to translate into Latin all of Plato's works, the Enneads of Plotinus, and various other Neoplatonist works.\n\n>Plethon also formulated his political vision in several speeches throughout his life. The phrase that boasted in one of the speeches \"We are Hellenes by race and culture\", and also, the proposition of a reborn Byzantine Empire following a utopian Hellenic system of government centered in Mystras has generated a lively and fruitful discussion about Byzantine and modern Greek identity.[9] In this regard, Plethon has been labelled both \"the last Hellene\"[10] and \"the first modern Greek\".[11]"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\nThere were strains of Jewish thought in the first century that conflated the figure of the messiah with Joshua, who they imagined as a heavenly figure who sat at the right hand of God. Mystical speculation on the nature of a suffering messiah was added to this and eventually the character of the historical Jesus came about to explain the origins of the young Christian religion as it came to distinguish itself entirely from Judaism."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus was mostly divine."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nsource: trust me bro"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\n>the rules and FAQ section literally states you to cite reliable sources\n>cites quora\nHey, new historicist. What another academic consensus you will came to reject?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Bible is the evidence"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nWhy Mishnah and Talmud never rejects Jesus' existence but it actually tries to discredit him? As if he was a real person and they couldnt reject this fact.\n>work Lives of the Twelve Caesars (written 121 CE). The references appear in Claudius 25 and Nero 16 which describe the lives of Roman Emperors Claudius and Nero. The Nero 16 passage refers to the abuses by Nero and mentions how he inflicted punishment on Christians – which is generally dated to around 64 CE.\nSo, if Jesus was not a real person where did the Christians came out of in 64 AD?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt takes far more suspension of disbelief to believe he never existed. First century ad isn't long enough ago to be able to completely make up someone and have absolutely no one point it out\n\nOpponents of Christianity could have easily just said he never existed but Jewish sources call him a sorcerer"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\n>this is debunked if you look into it\n>quora"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did we move from multiple anthropomorphic ancient gods with human attributes (faillibility, limited knowledge, lust/love, etc.) who were chill with each other and didn't meddle much in worldly affairs, to the current monotheistic god who's unique, all-knowing, all-powerful and has complete control over your daily life?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>who were chill with each other and didn't meddle much in worldly affairs"}, {"id": 3, "content": "A bunch of guys with spears and armor at the behest of rich guys in togas forced a lot of people to believe in it or else they'd die. This happened for many generations and now it's used as proof that civilization couldn't have happened unless they believed in that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nclearly referring to the current age of man where that would be true."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis was a common criticism of Christianity by pagans, they disliked the idea of an all-knowing and all-seeing God that left no privacy. Yahweh is too voyeuristic, shouldn't a God have more important things to do than spy on people masturbating?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhenever an ancient people was beaten by another people, they usually believed the other people's god(s) was more powerful and started to worship them instead.\nthe Jews find a way to reverse that argument by claiming defeat was an intentional punishment from their God because their faith wasn't exclusive. the fall of the first temple made the Jews definitively monotheistic.\nultimately many people found this system of worship easier to follow. Islam made it even simpler by actually writing down every stupid-but-simple rule so that anyone could easily be faithful without the help of a priest or scholar."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmonotheism was the original religion, we returned to it thanks to Christianity"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>who were chill with each other"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Christianity\n>monotheism"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nwas this a genuine critique? were can i read about it?\n\nJust talking about theology and its relation to privacy in a class and i had this exact same thought. why would a perfect being not give some space to humans?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has the dna of italians changed since the romans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "everyone has always been a fucking mutt"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nKhoisan aren't mutts."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYep."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nmany are actually, some are mixed with bantus and some with dutch / asians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBut there are still many do them who remain isolated and pure."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Barely. They are still the most roman related people in the world."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Italians aren't truly a people. Like the US, they are a lot of different people living under the same state, barely related to each other or only a posteriori."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThis\n>>7\nNo those would be Iberians or South French, or some Balkanians"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHer hair looks dyed lighter and the lighting and make-up makes her skin paler too. Her eyebrows are also done. Might even have colored contacts in too"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nProof?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>the lighting and make-up makes her skin paler\n>her face is darker than her hand\nHoly cope."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSicilians are at least half Anatolian"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nYES, THEIR D N A HAS CHANGED; NOT QUITE HUMAN NOW."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\nkys brownoid"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nonly a little"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nYep. A sicilian is a italic-greek-arab-normando mix, while a lombard is a celto-italic with some german. While speaking highly different languages (the fake centrally imposed artificial \"italian\" language doesnt count) with very different cultures and worldviews."}, {"id": 18, "content": "a lot, the Italic cline doesn't exist anymore, they were quite more western-Sardinian"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty much yes. Although they also resemble Spaniards the most genetically- still, overwhelmingly Southern European."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nshut the fuck up retard"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nShow me where I'm wrong, you central government loving boot licking nigger."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nsouth italians have no arab ancestry and northern italians have no german ancestry\ni agree with the second half of your post tho but calling italian ''fake'' is retarded"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nThey are\nThey even have eurasian dna via eastern african admixture"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nNot saying south italians have arab ancestry, only sicilians and only a bit. Its to show the difference among the several different italian regions. Also, northern italiand do have german blood but it is also in a quite small amount, specially northeastern italians. Italian language is merely the florentian dialect with some additional stuff being imposed from the top. Local italian regionalities should discard it and go back to speaking their local dialects (same with every single country in the world. \"National languages\" are pretty much globohomo shit in a smaller level)."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope.\n>>11"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>>19\nBrown copers, see >>4.\n>>15\nWhine harder, Mario."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>4\nDaily reminder that these threads are made by a russo-mongolian mutt incel that post naked pictures of himself on anonymous image boards."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nimperial romans are mixed, when people say romans they mean non outlier IA latins and etruscans(similar population) and they mostly resemble western mediterraneans (iberians, corsicans, north italians....)\n\n>>26\nbegone tartar mutt, no one cares about your trash models"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nim not italian inbred goatfucker"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are russians descended from mongols mixing with iranians? Why do russians want to be white like italians so badly? Italy hardly ever interacts with a desolate land like russia and yet it lives rent free in the heads of mongoliranians every day."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nMuh Scythia"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nshut the fuck up with this \"white italians\", you retarded nigger"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nThis guy looks like a gay alien twink. Do all russian mutts actually look this deformed? His nose and lips looks undeveloped and I think he's missing an eyebrow."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course. There were many massive migratory movements into the peninsula. After such a long time, any place's \"DNA\" would \"change\" (very odd phrasing on your part, btw)."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">darktroon got a meltdown again\nKek."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>>32\nIlya, why is your iranic mutt race so unproductive and useless? You have 2.5x the population of italy and yet white italians still outclass your low iq mutt economy. Seems like a skill issue related to cerebral development. No wonder Russia has always been a backwater shithole since the beginning of their bastard rape inception."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nno KeKman, stop with this white italians bullshit. why can't you make the same points without calling yourself white, you absolute fucking loser"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nWhiter than you, Ahmed"}, {"id": 39, "content": "What did she mean by this?"}, {"id": 40, "content": "russians? not white just like italians\n\nreminders:\nthe russians are all west of the urals\nthe real g25 coordinates of mordvix (not k15, k13 and k36 simulations) plot with hapa eastern russians"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n> pretending English people are white"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nthe russians from leshukonsky are the closest russians to his actual coordinates"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nOh, it's the whining shitalian!\n>>42\nPay for them. I can send you my raw data."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nrussmutt, you aren't white, some western russians are so mongrelized with asians that they are less white than a sicilian shitskin"}, {"id": 45, "content": "Yes they got BLEACHED by Germanic Bvlls"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nPay for my actual coordinates."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nCope. Russians rank amd compete with the whitest races on earth."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\n>Pay for them.\nman, russia is such a shithole, lmao, this guy can't afford 20 dollars"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIf you're not poor, you can pay for them yourself. Do it."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nyou are a yellow asian\n\n>>43\nno no, mord, italians are in the same category as you(not white)"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>41\nTatar mutt"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\nYou will never be European."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nLMAO no"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nWe don't need to, we already know you resemble leshukonsky samples"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\n> you are a yellow asian\nYou don't even know your race because of generations of mutting"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItalians have not changed since late antiquity, but they have changed since early antiquity. Greeks flooded Italy. Not bad thing tho."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>37\n>>38\n>>39\nLook at how the iranic-mongoloid squirms when the truth comes out. Your entire mutt race is a failure, Ilya. Even 2000 years ago meds were laughing at your idiotic backwards society."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nI don't care about your globohomo mutt race"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>50\n>>52\nBuy me the coordinates.\n>>53\n>>54\nThen begone, poor third world mongrel.\n>>56\nYou were supposed to go to sleep. Why are still here?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>\"\"Greeks\"\"\nlmao"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>47\nRussians are nearly pure asians. This is why they are such close allies of china. Same blood."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>27\nDaily reminder that the anon spamming this thing is a literal transexual indian living in a rservation"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nYes, Greeks."}, {"id": 64, "content": "Not quite."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\nRussians are asian yellow mutts and not white just like italians or even less white in some cases\n\n\n>>59\nYou are a mutt"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>59\n>third world mongrel\nrussmutts like you literally live in the third world? i'm from the us, we're literally numbah one\n\nyou are less white than some random sicilian shitskin >>40\nit's over mord"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\ntotally, that's why the Italian cline totally starts from Aegean BA\nexcept it doesn't and you have no actual rebuke"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>58\nRussia was the original globohomo mutt race, forged out of brown iranians raping mongol twinks."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\nShe escaped her reservation, that's why she's here. Our Kshatriyas will come to Michigan soon and take her away though.\n>>65\n>>66\n>>68\nBuy me coordinates, poorfag."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>59\n>You were supposed to go to sleep. Why are still here?\nPeшил пepeд cнoм зaпocтить cюдa. Bcё, yшeл\n>>60\nYes."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>63\nOh darkwitch hello"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>67\nActually it does start from the aegean BA and my rebuttal was on point. These Bronze age greek samples literally overlap modern italians, both central and southern. It's not my fault that you're blind and retarded."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>68\nYour race doesn't even know what it is. Too much mutting, they can't even be traced back two generations."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\nCпoкoйнoй нoчи."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>69\nWhat is this whole tranny discord chasing you? I have came across them calling me out on being (you) several times. They are rather annoying"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>Actually it does start from the aegean BA\n>These Bronze age greek samples literally overlap modern italians\nnope see the cline in >>60\na north European + Syrian mutt will als superficiall \"overlap\" with Italians, doesn't mean they are the same population"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\nMy race conquered the world before yours even was born from the seed of genghis khan, silly gay alien."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nCope. Russians fought against the Khan successfully."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\nIt's mostly just samefagging Indianwitch and one or two incels from 2ch.hk, sometimes also Pakiwitch and Joseph."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nI noticed indianwitch is pretty fixated lately. But your russian fangirls are pretty dumb and stupid. Pakiwitch is too low iq to be annoying. She always gives away herself or has an autistic meltdown with rage\n\nWhats the ethnicity of these russian speaking trannies obsessed with you? Are they russian or some sort of mistery meat from central asia?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nYou are a tatar mutt"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>55\nrussians are literally yellow mutts. how can you western russians be so genetically distant from white nordic anglos?\nyou are a yellow mutt, you belong to the asian race"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>78\n>Russians fought against the Khan successfully\n\nIranian russioids were literally raped into oblivion by a bunch of twink mongols. Don't make me laugh. You freaks will never be european and at no point in history were you ever."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\n>>79\nOh look. This one above is indianwitch. She's the one insisting with that scythian stuff and that you are not white. Interesting actually. But what about the fangirl hijras?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nThe Russians paid a tribute so the Khan leaves them alone. Then the Russians fought a battle against the Mongols and won. Also, no one cares about your europoor mutt race."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>>85\nLook at Ilya samefagging. Yes Ilya we know. The Iranian Rus offered all of their women as tribute to Genghis Kahn to secure their \"victory\". Hence the creation of the modern russian state."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>80\n>the ethnicity\nNobody knows, likely just rural Russians as none of them can afford genetic tests to themselves (it's important as everybody else with whom I argued there before had the results so I couldn't tell these retards apart as separate posters before all the worth people left)."}, {"id": 88, "content": "it's literally fucking over for mord"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nLmao, the tatar is not gonna like this"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nPic related is Ilya"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>unknown\nanglos are THE white people, there's no such thing as white without anglos\n\nrussians are mostly black haired/black eyed mutts"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nCope. Anglos aren't white. Most of their whites went to America and bred with Africans."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>41\n>this retard thinks English are white"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nmordvix, please... you're an half asian brown eyed manlet"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>91\nThe english are not white in any sense of the word."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\n>>94\nLike, they got dominated by Romans, they got dominated by French, they got dominated by Swedes, obviously they don't take the top of the pyramid within the white race itself"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>>93\nThis but unironically. They're half-Gaulish (i.e. Spanish) mutts and can't compete with normal Britishers like Irish and Scottish."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>87\nReally? Why are they so assblasted about you? May they be potato headed goblinitos themselves? Of course one of them is the indian darkwitch:>>88\nThis one is rather obvious"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nBrown"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>95\nThe russians are not white in any sense of the word\n\n>>96\nanglos were never dominated by anyone"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>7\nNo. Spaniards are probably the most Roman people genetically."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n> anglos were never dominated by anyone\nTry opening a history book"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>98\nTatar mutt"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>98\n>yellow mutt talking to himself\nmord, it's not our fault you heavily mixed with asians"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\n>Dominated by romans\n>dominated by french\n>dominated by americans\n>dominated by pakistanis\n\nPlease, don't make me laugh."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>98\n>Ilya talks to himself again\n\nYour schizophrenia won't save you this time, gay alien."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>romans\nnot the anglo saxons, we were still in denmark and northwest netherlands\n\n>french\nyou mean the anglo-like norman upper classes, not actual french mutts\n\n>americans\nanglo americans, our people\n\n>pakistanis\nour colonial slaves"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>98\n>so assblasted\nI have not even a clue. Due to their complete lack of interest in prehistory, those are likely low-IQ uneducated scum from 2ch.hk's /b/ who somehow attached to me there.\n>they be potato headed goblinitos themselves\nUndoubtedly they are, as they're poor degenerates and serfs' descendants."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nYes, I'm sure the romans, french, amerimutts and pakistanis never set foot in your rainy island. That's why your capital is literally ruled by pajeets that your natives kneel to."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\nTranny hijra poo why are you having another meltdown? Reservation.\nNOW!"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>14\nShut the fuck up mexrement you will never be Mediterranean. You will never be Spanish. You will never even be a fucking castizo. You are a mestizo shit colored toilet cleaner from Monterrey who eats corn and watches Chavo Del 8.\nThere is absolutely nothing European about you in appearance, which is why you cling to immaterial things like Spanish history and Catholicism.\n\nNow go jack off to your child foot porn and stir your frijoles."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>106\n>>104\n>>103\nDarktroon is having another meltdown\nWhat is she trying?\nNothing will unrape dravidian hijras and take them out the reservation aryans locked them onto"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>108\nGo back to tataristan mutt"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>108\nyou are not white"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>57\nnigger"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>61\nrussia and china almost annihilated each other in the late 60s"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nYep, everybody actually hates chinks here."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nwould rather side with chinks than white people who view meds as cannon fodder"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\nYes, we know russians are brown iranid nigger mutts. No need to comment further."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>114\n>>113\nDarktroon calm hijra. You already lost 4000 years ago and you havent escaped the reservation yet"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>109\nYou're either the tatar mutt or the south euro mutt"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>109\nthat sounds correct, the swarthy roman invasion happened before the anglos settled the island\nthe french invasion was a germanic norman invasion, swarthy french mutts were low caste serfs, the normans considered us their brothers in blood\nanglo americans are our brothers in blood too\npakistanis are our serfs, our slaves"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>119\njump in a pool of bleach faggot"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>116\nIt's a great shame they didn't, too.\n>>118\nCannon fodder? White people are literally using Russian mutt slavs as cannon fodder against Russian slavs to this day. We think it's hilarious."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>121\nSilence, Darktroon"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\n>posts germanic western european mutt\nnow post actual russians"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nrussians are not white, italians are not white, mordvix has brown eyes and is not white\nsimple as\n\n>>126\nwhitest ethnic russian"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nYeah, we Indians are the one White people on Earth."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nRussians are whiter than any british darkies will ever be. Here are your British \"whites\", hijra. Now back to the reservation."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>114\nmordvix can't defend this, this is 100% similar to his real g25 coordinates, his genetic profile, he's an eastern russian mutt\nit's literally fucking over for mordcels, you can't come back from this, i'm actually pretty scared to know what eastern russian samples are gonna look like if these west russian shitskins are less european than some shitskinned brown sicilian"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nthey look whiter than russians\n\n>>128\nbegone, brown"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\n>shitalian goblin started to false-flagging as a bong\nNo way."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nbrown"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nLol no he's yellow"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nGoblin."}, {"id": 136, "content": "it's hilarious how the russhit once posted with complete confidence a genetic thing saying he's 10% tatar"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nDon't forget his naked pics and ugly ass deformed nose, lmao"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>135\nwe've all seen your pics, you have brown eyes, you are brown"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nWhine, goblinito."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\n>51.2% probability of brown eyes\nyep\n\n>58.5% probability of intermediate skin like some random spaniard\nyep\n\nyou have brown eyes and swarthy skin, therefore you're a brown shitskin"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n> >51.2%\nI.e. green.\n>intermediate skin\nLearn the references, goblinito."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>139\nEmbarrassing"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>139\nmostly intermediate with some chances of pale skin is basically shitaly levels\n\nreal white skinned people mostly score pale on hirisplex, it's over my friend, you are a tatar mutt"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>19\n>david reich and iosif lazaridis headcannon\nopinion discarded"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>141\n>I.e. green.\ncoping brownoid, more than half brown eyes means brown eyes, and we've all seen your pics, you have brown eyes\n\n>Learn the references\nintermediate is what spanairds and other south euro shitskins score"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>140\n>>unknown.5% probability of intermediate skin like some random spaniard\nRetard, in hirisplex medieval scandinavians score lile 30-40% pale 60% intermediate"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>143\nWhere are there Scandinavians on this map? They're the reference, not bongs. Also it's the same in Russia and only slightly darker than in Finland, the fairest country in the world).\n>>145\nCope.\n>>unknown\n>height\n~180cm."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>unknown\n>blonde slaves are pouring wine for a guy who does look like Al Pacino\nThis is actually a self-own"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">look! my genes say i could have been of fair skin, blue eyes and tall height!\n>of course im actually swarthy and short but i COULD have been white!!!!"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>unknown\nthose are scandinavian tier results retard"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>148\ndarktroon not like this\n\nwe are being humilliated again"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>147\nYou are 170 cm, you finally understood that's manlet tier and are now ashamed"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>147\n>~180cm.\nyou are literally 5'6 mordvix, brown shitskin, we've all seen you admitting to it many times, you can't go back\n\n>Also it's the same in Russia\nrussia is a mutt shithole\n\nfinland is mostly pale, unlike you\nscandis are between finland and white nordic anglos\n\nit's over"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\nNice of you to cut the image to exclude what I was talking about, I accept your concession."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>150\nLmao, it's just fucking over for the shitalian larper."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>148\nclean the shit from your eyes and maybe you will see better"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>154\nholy fucking cope, am i supossed to be able to cut the image at all? i accept your concession pajeet tranny\nnow back to the reservation\nyour sintasha masters demand hijras to work the fields and pick the cotton"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>156\nYou can't go back. I would delete the original Al Pacino pic if I was you. Check if there's still time... hurry!"}, {"id": 159, "content": "reminder that the entire india caste system is based on proximity to scandinavians even within dravidians\nTelugu brahmins have 700% more swedish-like dna thaan shudras and dalits"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>150\nyou inherited intermediate skin, you are a brown mutt just like some shitskin med samples\nanglos today score mostly pale unlike you"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nAll Beakers are literally 70-100% intermediate, goblinito. Surrender."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>159\ngermanic scandinavians like us, not tatar mutts like mordvix"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>161\nthat's a thousand years old population that still didn't select for pale skin\nmodern northern europeans score mostly pale skin, only shitskins like spanairds score mostly intermediate today, therefore by modern standards you are brown"}, {"id": 164, "content": "Btw, reminder that the people that conquered india, established the caste system and put drvidian hijra pygmies into reservations were literally blonder than icelandics and saxons LMAO"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nHijrasisters... not like this, NOT LIKE FUCKING THIS\nmy dalit axewound....\nits over"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>164\nAnd those people are not related to your half tatar ass"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>163\nAn extremely weak try, goblinito. Begone."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>27\nFuck this is such autism"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>164\nthey didn't have asian admixture like you"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>169\n>>166\n>shitalian goblin couldn't even choose a good target for larp\nPathetic."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>158\nWhy would I do that? Because you have shit in your eyes and you cant see?"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>166\nhijra, your axewound... 4000 years into reservations... its over"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\n>the whole caste system in india is based on Aryan/nordic Vs Hijra/Onge ancestry\n\nhijras... not like this"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>unknown\n>aryan deer theory"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>unknown\n>ignores rest of the artworks depicting Alexander the Great to favor one specific depiction\n>brings no scientific reason to back up this choice except \"they look wyt :)\"\nnew to history reading?"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>170\nno asian admixture unlike you\n\nshitalian goblins are your brown brothers in muttness btw"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>unknown\nthey were related to germanics, not tatar mutt subhumans like you mordvix"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>unknown\nthat is not Alexander the Great"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>unknown\nalso i dont know who is this vase depicting but mythological characters are very dodgy.\nJust guess who is African and who is Greek in this depiction, yep, mythology makes 0 sense"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>178\n>ancient black little mermaid\nyawn"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>179\n(the white woman is the Ethiopian apparently and one looks Nafri is a Greek hero)"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>177\nhijra.. not like this"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>178\n>>175\nNot to mention Italians can be blonde... there's plenty of blonde Italians. Particularly in Rome, not even talking about the North. But we are dealing with a mentally ill person."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>179\n>mayne we wuz kangs how could they be white"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>181\n>Nafri\npoo in loo"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>180\n>>ancient black little mermaid\nAI malfunction?\n>Plutarch said his skin-\nFunny how he is the only contemprorary of Alexander that depicts him that way. Reminder that this is also a contemprorary depiction >>175\n>Roman historian and Roman art\nare you serious?\n>>185\nwhat"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>185\nEthiopians look white in your universe and tan makes hair color dark?\njust admite mythology isnt a good merit."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>182\nyou are brown mutt not much different from these shitskinned indians and italians, mord\nthe ancient bell beakers and corded ware, as well as the sintashta were closer to germanic populations than to tatar mutts like you"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>183\nNo one actually cares about these swarthy ancient Roman losers except for this russmutt subhuman\n\n\nThey were surpassed by Nordic germanics from any point of view"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>179\nthe romans and greeks were homosexual shitskins and eliogabalus was a troon emperor"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>187\n>we wuz kangs mayne\nJust because some (((anglos))) named the monkeys after an ancient name for white people living there thousands of years ago it means you wuz kangs?"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>189\n>darktroon false-flagging again\nWhy is she so?"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>187\nAlso your hair is not \"dark\". Its pitch black and only pitch black and you cant poo in loo."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>192\nshe's been mindbroken, a group of brahmins arrived in michigan and arranged a marriage with her sister"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>192\nYellow Russian mutt and his fantasies"}, {"id": 196, "content": "russmutt bros, not like this, we are asian mutts"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussians will never be white."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>194\nbrahamins are shitskins just like you, i know that they are probably classified as white according to hapa russians, but we can't tell the different between them\n\nyou are a mentally ill asian mutt from russia that sucks the cocks of shitskinned ancient romans from the other side of europe, cause they were another type of shitskins compared to modern shitalians\nlet's not even bring up your worship of the greeks, those were real full blown shitskins"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>196\nAhahahahahah, you wuznt them you Russian mutts , you are mixed with asians"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>198\nHijra, enough. Your brahmin masters have returned to take you back into the reservation together with the other dravidian onge asi dalit untouchable ape abos."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>196\nholy shit, tatarbros, what's our response"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>198\nlol I just googled for Brahmins... literally undistinguishable from any other Pajeet. This Russhit mutt is fucked in the head."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>194\nWhat did they do?! They were supposed to take her into the reservation again! As the highest Brahmin, I'll expel these idiots into hijras, to the reservation in which darktroon's kin resides!\n>>198\nI'm in rage, hijra! This time you could sell your sister to pay off but the next time..."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>200\nall of them are brown abbos just like you're an asian mutt that will NEVER be germanic and will NEVER be related to germanics and will forever live in the third world shithole that is russmuttistan"}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>203\nTatar mutt"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>40\n>>130\nMordvix is a turanid like this guy\nhttps://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?233984-Dolichocephalic-Turanid/page3"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>203\n>>200\nsamefagging russmutt"}, {"id": 208, "content": "reminder: we destroyed the ancient romans, and that was a good thing, they were a bunch of pedophilic, homosexual brown rapists, we surpassed them, and by a lot, we created the modern world\n\nreal germanics take a huge piece of shit on ancient roman favelas, all the \"nordics\" worphipping these ancient favela dwelling roman subhumans are half tatar russians like mordvix unrelated to us"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMed women and Pashtun women are sooooooo hot"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>208\nGreeks were shitskins too"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>208\nmord is not gonna like this"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>208\nNo larp will save you anymore, poojra."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>unknown\nugly as fuck, my vandalic ancestors made that hole and i'm proud of that"}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>212\nMordvixs brother"}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>212\nlooks eastern russian"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>208\n>we created the modern world\nImagine being proud of this."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>208\nbrown shitalians and asspaniards are still going to attack germanics despite all the evidence points towards their russmutts brothers in muttness"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>176\nDo actual mordvix model"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>217\nYou're desperate, poojra, but nobody takes you seriously. You're brown chimpanzee."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>unknown\nthose 2 actors are northwestern europeans and look whiter than any of you tatar mutts from russia"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>213\npoo in loo"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>218\nhis coords aren't real g25 coords, he can't afford them, they are k13 and k15 simulations\nhe's an eastern russian mutt, he resembles the leshukonsky samples the most (the leshukonsky samples are still western russian tho, so he's probably somewhat more asian)"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>161\n>All Beakers are literally 70-100% intermediate, goblinito. Surrender.\nThey were darker than modern Europeans but lighter than Yamnaya due to farmer admixture"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>222\nThe essence of poo's despair."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>219\nyou are yellow"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>126\n>>123\nBoth look like quapas"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>224\nthat's the truth my russian saami guy\n\n>>223\nyou are a subhuman\nfarmer are in that pic, they are intermediate too mostly >>160\nthey got lighter in the modern day due to selection, modern north europeans score mostly pale >>143, for modern standards mordvix is as light skin as some random spanaird"}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>223\ndarktroon, do we start again? beakers were darker than sintasha and more farmer"}, {"id": 229, "content": "Bye. Poo in loo."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>222\nThis, he's some brown eyed asian mutt"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>228\nWhat do you think about her new larping character? What caused her to start it?"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>226\nrussmutts like mordvix are literally quapas"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>231\nshe always liked to hide herself and try to not be exposed, now she's trying to larp as mediterranean or russian, even as anglo, as she always tried to larp as chinese or med.\nyesterday she did that post she makes everyday, the one of the charts with high distance towards random shit samples from mycenaens and the nordic my ancestor\n\nis her daily thread"}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>231\ni think you should stop samefagging so blatantly, my hapa friend from russia\n\n>>222\nyep, russmuttistan was a multicultural experiment just like southern europe and india(mordvix's worst enemies)"}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>234\nlook the goblinito shitalian has joined the chat!"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>234\nit's funny how he hates southern europe and india but russia is pretty similar to those shithole\nboth lgbt multikulti experiments gone wrong full of mutts that don't even resemble each other"}, {"id": 237, "content": "Imagine being some tatar subhuman and LARPing as a Roman because you have some haploautism delusion, while shitting on actual Italians that are literally the Romans... all while posting \"proof\" of \"blonde Romans\" as if modern blonde Italians didn't exist.\n\nIt's too much I can't even process the world you people live in. I know this fight you are having may make some sense inside your fucked up heads but you are all unhinged. Particularly the Russhit mutt."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>unknown\nlook she's now comparing russia to hijra-land KEK!\nshe already tried to larp aas germanic before, remember when her master from tajikstan humilliated them and she started rambling as if she were white and calling out shitskins? is a common behaviour.\nwitch gets mindbroken rapidly"}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>237\nShitskin Italian begone\n\n>>233\nYou are a yellow Russian mutt samefagging"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>unknown\ni'm germanic, mutt, you're alone in your misery that's why gotta reply to yourself"}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>237\n>25% of italians are blonde\nlmao good one, finding a blond italian is like finding a fairy"}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>238\nrussia is a mutt nation full of mutts that don't resemble each other just like shartaly\nand these russians are all western russians btw, the eastern ones are probably even more asianmutted"}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>237\nshitskin you are not white by literally any metric"}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>239\nI am literally a blonde Italian. No I will not post my pics here because I am not deranged. We descend from the Greeks, Romans, Etruscans, the Germanics , the Italocelts we are all one people, you are a tatar mutt living on the opposite corner of the Earth. Snap back to reality."}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>12\nNiggers have light palms too you goof"}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>242\nrussia is more similar to india in terms of size and diversity"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>238\n>she already tried to larp aas germanic before\nHmm, never have seen. Likely she tries to do that only when she's really desperate. Though this >>242 is clearly the shitalian goblin, filename is his."}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>242\nrussia... 17.000,001 Km2\nitaly... 302,073 km2\ni'll let you figure why is not surprising the former are genetically diverse"}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>247\n>filename is his.\nhow do you know?"}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>247\nnonono, the shitalian goblinito definitely is here but darktroon also uses those filenames where she haphazardly types random shit to not use repeated filenames, is a common behaviour and many users do it."}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>248\nGermanic Americans are identical to each other and to Germanic European and Australians\nRussians are mutts"}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>246\nexactly, russia it's comparable to india\n\n>>244\nshitskin"}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>242\nitaly is smaller than germany and has more genetic distance within itself than auvergne or somewhere in central france has from fucking scotland or norway lmao"}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>244\nItalians aren't white just like Russians\nMod is yellow/brown"}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>242\nrussmutt subhumans aren't white\n\n>>250\n>>247\nsamefag samemutt"}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>253\nyes italians are brown mutt shitskins, exactly like the russians, they are brothers in muttness and both unrelated to germanics"}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>248\nNah. Those northerners are just about 5% of the Russian population while all others are the same, and there's no difference between eastern and western regions, Russia is extremely homogenous. Not protecting pidorashques though (she will never know).\n>>249\nRepeating numbers.\n>>250\nLikely, but I've never seen her doing so."}, {"id": 258, "content": ">>253\nyes? they are multicultural experiments, russians are not a people, they are a bunch of mutts unrelated to each other"}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>256\nshitalian goblinito why aren't you a single race?"}, {"id": 260, "content": ">>unknown\n>prominent jawline\nliterally what? he looks like a somali bulbhead just like the russhit"}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>254\nSo? I am literally a Roman descendant. Post pics of blonde Romans, post pics of Dark Haired ones, I descend from both so you can't touch me. You are a tatar mutt and Rome lives rent free in your head."}, {"id": 262, "content": ">>unknown\nkys fucking streetshitter"}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>254\nrussians are white as fuck, no one considers them anything but white lel"}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>242\nYeah huge genetic distances. You'd never find that in true Aryans like Germanics..."}, {"id": 265, "content": ">>257\n>Nah. Those northerners are just about 5% of the Russian population while all others are the same, and there's no difference between eastern and western regions, Russia is extremely homogenous. Not protecting pidorashques though (she will never know).\ncoping russmutt\n\n>>263\nrussians are considered yellow mongols by most of the white world (northwestern europe and ex northern european colonies)\n\n>>261\nyou descent from shitskins homo pedophiles?\n\n>Rome lives rent free in your head.\nin the heads of tatar subhumans you mean, i'm happy to be related to the longobards and vandals that easily destroyed your shithole"}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>261\nRome was a shihole and the fall of Rome was a good thing, we created the modern world\n\n\n>>259\nCause shitalians are just like Russians, not a people"}, {"id": 267, "content": ">>unknown\nare italians related in any meaning of the word with normal europeans?"}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>264\n>he has to cherrypick individual samples\nlol"}, {"id": 269, "content": ">>264\n>individual samples\nmassive russmutt cope, the difference between russmutts when you use individual samples is likewise massively increased\n\n\n>>263\nrussians are yellow as fuck, they are seen as half mongol shitskins and they were seen like that even in the past, not a new thing"}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>263\nle liberator face"}, {"id": 271, "content": "russmutt bros... we're not related to white people"}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>266\n>>265\nYet here you are in this thread. Rome lives as rent free in your heads as in the sponge brain of the tatarian. I am out."}, {"id": 273, "content": ">>271\nRemember when mord sucked our cocks and wanted to be germanic?"}, {"id": 274, "content": ">>271\nlmao, they are so fucking yellow-brown"}, {"id": 275, "content": ">>269\nLmao we haven't even begun to include austrians, dutch, nords or german swiss. You are delusional, hijra."}, {"id": 276, "content": ">>272\nThe fall of pedo Rome was a good thing, it allowed us northwestern Europeans to create the modern world, now be thankful to us and stop whining, russian-italian shitskins"}, {"id": 277, "content": ">>272\ni'm here in this thread to dunk on the russmutt shitskin and put him in his place (below germanic people) i don't care about roman shitskins and their favela shitholes"}, {"id": 278, "content": ">>274\n>>273\nwhy is this hijra larping as white?"}, {"id": 279, "content": ">>275\nnice meme, now use averages like any sane person, poo obsessed yellow mutt"}, {"id": 280, "content": ">>279\nwestern russians alone are non homogeneous mutts that don't resemble each other\nit's over, mordvix is yellow\n\n>>273\ngood times, he's never gonna be germanic, he's not related to the pinnacle of europe, the germanic people"}, {"id": 281, "content": ">>264\nThere's a different point.\n>>280\n>>279\n>>277\nPoo, it's neither funny nor interesting. Begone before I become angry."}, {"id": 282, "content": "russmutts are unrelated to germanic people"}, {"id": 283, "content": ">>282\n>literal wops are closer to whiteness than russhits are"}, {"id": 284, "content": ">>281\ncoping russmutt, that 5% is actually a massive percentage of the russian population"}, {"id": 285, "content": ">>284\nThe tatar mutt nation experiment"}, {"id": 286, "content": ">>284\nthis, russmutt are brown shitskins"}, {"id": 287, "content": ">>283\nend your life"}, {"id": 288, "content": ">>287\ninsecure mongol is mad actual wops are whiter than he is"}, {"id": 289, "content": ">>286\n>>283\nwhat are you trying mexcrement goblinito?"}, {"id": 290, "content": ">>288\nyou wish mutt"}, {"id": 291, "content": ">>289\nI forgot about him at all. Do you think it's him?"}, {"id": 292, "content": "reminder, actual g25 coords of mord are closer leshukosky samples"}, {"id": 293, "content": ">>291\nyes pretty much, i wonder what's her deal here"}, {"id": 294, "content": ">>291\nmordvix here, no i don't think it's him, i think it's a germanic man, i wish i was like him, i wish i was germanic like him, but i'm just a moksha mutt from eastern russia"}, {"id": 295, "content": ">>292\nmakes sense, he's an eastern mutt\n\n>>290\nrussia = brown\nyou = brown"}, {"id": 296, "content": ">>293\nHe usually appears with the shitalian and often with the hijra, I barely can tell them apart. Are you the Dutch or the Tajik, btw?"}, {"id": 297, "content": "can someone test if this is closer or further from white people than mordvix?\n\nHalf_Scandinavian_Half_Dagestani,0.12385697500000001,0.11768037499999999,0.0228139375,0.0358703125,-0.00027647500000000047,0.016382925,0.006228225,0.00195305,-0.0271902875,-0.022893187499999995,-0.0036944499999999997,0.004735975,-0.009851737499999999,-0.009225025,0.017627625,0.0028825624999999997,-0.0029287875,0.000726575,-0.0009079375000000002,0.0047186875,0.0030269125000000003,0.0021775375000000004,0.002563174999999999,0.0111103,-0.0008346625"}, {"id": 298, "content": ">>295\ndrink bleach"}, {"id": 299, "content": ">>296\nя пoзвoлю вaм зaдyмaтьcя нaд этим кoммeнтapиeм, я нe хoчy, чтoбы эти гoблины мeня paздpaжaли"}, {"id": 300, "content": ">>297\nYou can do it yourself\n\nMordvix,0.1305779,0.121901,0.067236,0.056050,0.032477,0.020949,0.008651,0.011512,-0.003548,-0.020913,-0.001222,-0.006830,0.011514,0.015406,-0.0070135,-0.002587,0.001546,-0.002032,0.000554,0.001609,-0.003048,-0.002148,0.005870,-0.002871,-0.000337\nMordvix2,0.130577,0.121901,0.067236,0.056050,0.032477,0.020949,0.008651,0.011512,-0.003548,-0.020913,-0.001222,-0.006830,0.011514,0.015406,-0.0070135,-0.002587,0.001546,-0.002032,0.000554,0.001609,-0.003048,-0.002148,0.005870,-0.002871,-0.000337"}, {"id": 301, "content": ">>297\nDistance to: English\n0.07505637 Half_Scandinavian_Half_Dagestani\n0.13009973 Russian_Leshukonsky\n\ntwice as close"}, {"id": 302, "content": ">>299\nПoнял. Кcтaти, тyт мoжeт быть eщё и мyлaт Джoзeф, кoopдинaты пoд твoим пocтoм c тaкими нaзвaниями coхpaнял oн."}, {"id": 303, "content": ">>300\n>>297\nmord coords\n\nK13_Allelocator,0.142380,0.119645,0.071959,0.056747,0.030315,0.015655,0.011912,0.014248,-0.009576,-0.025209,0.014238,-0.005436,0.010614,0.005916,-0.008186,-0.002902,0.002253,-0.002417,-0.001487,0.000225,-0.005361,0.000254,0.002981,-0.001742,-0.001576\nK15_Allelocator,0.138315,0.119233,0.071403,0.058497,0.032065,0.017981,0.012410,0.014470,-0.008601,-0.023757,0.005331,-0.006163,0.010943,0.013137,-0.009565,-0.003428,0.002975,-0.001880,-0.000211,0.000131,-0.002695,-0.001405,0.002877,-0.002263,-0.000347\n\n\nK15_Genoplot,0.130701,0.119420,0.058814,0.051623,0.032532,0.017812,0.009222,0.013563,-0.004786,-0.016441,-0.001212,-0.0022,0.0114,0.0153,-0.005223,0.000831,0.002111,-0.000704,0.002432,0.001297,-0.002521,-0.005772,0.003850,-0.000509,0.0012\nK36_Allelocator,0.1305779,0.121901,0.067236,0.056050,0.032477,0.020949,0.008651,0.011512,-0.003548,-0.020913,-0.001222,-0.006830,0.011514,0.015406,-0.0070135,-0.002587,0.001546,-0.002032,0.000554,0.001609,-0.003048,-0.002148,0.005870,-0.002871,-0.000337\n\nhis real g25 coords are probably more similar to the russian_leshukonsky samples"}, {"id": 304, "content": "uh mordvixbros... what does this mean?\n\nDistance to: Mordvix\n0.07961890 Half_Scandinavian_Half_Dagestani\n0.09350997 Russian_Leshukonsky\nare russians mutts?"}, {"id": 305, "content": ">>298\nrussia brown"}, {"id": 306, "content": ">>302\n>>299\nA пoд мoим пocтoм тoчнo щитaльянeц, в тoм тpeдe был имeннo oн."}, {"id": 307, "content": ">>304\nrussians are non homogeneous mutts\n\n>>298\nt. italo-russian mutt"}, {"id": 308, "content": ">>302\nкaкaя кyчa нaдoeдливых oбeзьян, тaк чтo y нac ecть пapoчкa бaтхepтoвых 2ch.hk oбeзьян, тpaнcвиcтит пaджит, Джoзeф, мeкcкpeмeнт и пaкивич, кoтopыe хoдят вoкpyг"}, {"id": 309, "content": ">>308\nEщё ecть двa paзных щитaльянцa: oдин - плaкcивый гaплoayтиcт (ocнoвнoй, cидит итт), втopoй кoyпит инцeльcтвo aльпийцeв (пoявляeтcя peдкo)."}, {"id": 310, "content": ">>289\n>everyone that types in lower case is le goblinito"}, {"id": 311, "content": ">>308\n>>302\nты кopичнeвый"}, {"id": 312, "content": ">>311\n>гoблин пepeшёл нa язык бeлых хoязeв\nЭтo бaзa. Now in Spanish."}, {"id": 313, "content": ">>309\npaзвe тoт, ктo зaщищaeт aльпийcких oбeзьян, caм нe шитaльcкий cкyлящий гoблин? тoт, кoтopый нe пepecтaeт ныть и жaлoвaтьcя, кoгдa eгo нaзывaют aльпийcким и нe-pимcким? я дyмaю oн в этoй тeмe"}, {"id": 314, "content": ">>313\nMoжeт быть, нo y них paзныe нaзвaния фaйлoв и втopoй нe был зaмeчeн в пocтингe мoдeлeй c вaхaдyo. Ecли чтo, пepвый - нe дocтoвepный щитaльянeц, этo пpocтo пpeдпoлoжeниe, кoгдa втopoй был пoд щитaльянcким флaгoм в интe."}, {"id": 315, "content": ">>308\n>пaкивич\ni thought you were on good terms with the paki. are there two pakis?"}, {"id": 316, "content": ">>312\n>>313\ny тeбя кopичнeвaя кoжa"}, {"id": 317, "content": ">>315\n\"Paki\" as label for the Tajik is a literal darktroon's re-force, the one ethnic Pakistani here is the actual Darkwitch from Twitter, Ongeboy."}, {"id": 318, "content": ">>315\nthere is a pakistani that is a tajik/anglo and a pakistani that is an actual pajeet"}, {"id": 319, "content": ">>317\n>>318\ni see, i gotta up my darkwitch lore. i didnt even know there was a second russian"}, {"id": 320, "content": ">>314\nЯ пoмню, кaк cкyлящий шитaльcкий гoблинитo нaчaл бeзocтaнoвoчнo пyбликoвaть oтcтaлoe дepьмo c тeх фopyмoв пo гeнeтикe, тaких кaк anthrogenica, этo дoвoльнo paздpaжaeт, oднaкo oднa из мoдeлeй мoжeт быть Джoзeфoм или caмoй Дapктpyн, кoтopaя игpaeт poль, интepecнo, измeнит ли Дapктpyн cвoю пoвecткy дня и пoпpoбyй зaявить пpaвa нa итaльянcких гoблинoв, a фepмepcкиe нeгpы в мepy бeлыe."}, {"id": 321, "content": ">>320\n>>314\n>>313\nCan you guys speak a white language?"}, {"id": 322, "content": ">>312\n>>313\nPoccия нaция мyлaтoв, кaк Итaлия и Индия. (злeйшиe вpaги Mopдвикca)"}, {"id": 323, "content": ">>unknown\ndarktoon, be banished, no one is obsessed with your inferior slave race"}, {"id": 324, "content": ">>320\n>фopyмoв пo гeнeтикe\nBтopoй щитaльянeц вpoдe бы вooбщe нe был зaмeчeн в диcкyccиях кoнкpeтнo пo гeнeтикe. Я o нём впepвыe yзнaл в этoм (>>unknown →) тpeдe, нo вpoдe бы видeл и paньшe.\n>Джoзeфoм\nOн лeгкo выявляeтcя пo eгo идиoтcким мoдeлям: oн нe мoжeт дeлaть нopмaльныe, пoтoмy чтo тoгдa вce yвидят, чтo oн caм дaжe близкo нe ceмит.\n>измeнит ли\nЯ нe yвepeн, былa ли oнa зaвoдилoй итт: здecь был ocнoвнoй пocтep, кoтopый лapпил кaк гepмaнeц, и oдин-двa eмy пoддaкивaющих. Этo либo пapa иcтepичкa+индиaнвитч, либo пapa индиaнвитч+пaкивитч."}, {"id": 325, "content": "I wonder if the indog is lurking right now"}, {"id": 326, "content": ">we wuz Romans and shiet\n>types in Asiatic moonrunes"}, {"id": 327, "content": ">>326\nleast asian admixed and asian looking russian"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "now that the dust has settled, who was in the wrong here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe british for importing africans in the first place\nthe USA would have colonized the solar system by now if they had just left them in Africa"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI think we need to learn a big lesson here: in the long run slavery leads to the degradation of society, not to the progress"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Fuck off, there's still a thread about it up and it always devolves into a shitfling shitfest. Its always the same damn arguments and posts, ffs.\n\nThe Union is wrong tho. Because fuck centralism. Separatist Pride World Wide."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>who was in the wrong here?\nThe Union. The South had the right to secede from the union just as the colonialists had a right to secede from the British empire."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYep. True America died after the War. It's been a judeo-masonic continental sized tool and economic zone ever since. May L*n*o*n burn in helllfire forever, fucking prick."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe north had a right to fight the south because the south became a foreign country"}, {"id": 8, "content": "The Union were assholes, but the Confederates were retarded assholes, so the Confederacy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nThe South never gained recognition from foreign powers. Jefferson Davis tried to give the south legitimacy by asking European powers to recognize it as its own seperate state, but his diplomatic missions all failed, becuase by that point Europe had abolished slavery themselves.\n\nAnd yes, it really was all about slavery, to say it wasn't is just Southern lost cause cope bullshit. More specifically it was about Congress voting to block Slave States proposals to industrialize, because there was a fear they'd just use slave labor to build their infrastructure, giving wealthy industrialists a reason to relocate their bases of operations to Southern States, without having to pay workers they would've easilly dominated American industry for the forseeable future. Thats what the South was really \"fighting for\". A wealthy class of industrialists that worked against Americas interests. The South were a bunch of retards."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>it really was all about slavery\nnope"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCSA. Search for \"Knights of the Golden Circle\". They plan was the same as their political progeny now: have an upper caste of Jews/Whites that own and rule over a majority Mestizo/Black horde that is dependent on their master for survival. The only significant change is that instead of conquest of the Latin/Caribbean countries they're importing and then subsidizing them to replace the nation.\n\nhttps://www.transnotitia.com/freemasonry-and-the-confederacy/"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>The Knights of the Golden Circle, Freemasonry, and other Secret Societies infiltrated the leaders of the North and South. Judah P. Benjamin was a Jewish strategist (who some believe worked for the House of Rothschild) who had a crucial part in the Civil War. Benjamin lived from 1811 to 1884. Now, he was born as a British subject in the West Indies. Judah Philip Benjamin became a citizen of America. His father was one of the founders of the Reform congregation in America (His father was Philip Benjamin from England). Benjamin was raised in Charleston, South Carolina. Judah Benjamin owned slaves. He was a traitor to his Jewish race since his ancestors experienced Egyptian oppression, yet he supported slavery that was oppressive against black Americans. That is why Republican Benjamin Wade of Ohio accused him of being an Israelite in Egyptian clothing.\" Wade is right, because Judah Benjamin deserted the real tenets of the religion of Moses. In September 1861, Judah Benjamin was the Confederate Secretary of War. Later, he became the Confederate States’ Secretary of State. He quarreled with the Confederate Generals P.G.T. Beauregard and Stonewall Jackson. This came to a head over the loss of Roanoke Island to the Union \"without a fight\" in February 1862"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Confederate leader Jefferson Davis was responsible for this. Judah Benjamin was so desperate after Confederate defeats that he said that: “…Let us say to every Negro who wishes to go into the ranks, 'Go and fight - you are free…“ Robert E. Lee supported the proposal, but it was too late. The Civil War ended the Confederate nation. Judah Benjamin died in Paris at May 6, 1884. Some have accused Benjamin of being a conspirator of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination. Yet, those responsible for Lincoln’s assassination didn’t include Benjamin per se, but the Vatican/Jesuit network (since many coconspirators like Surratt, etc. were in fact Roman Catholics), the Knights of the Golden Circle, and other secret orders (working with the international banking elite). This has been proven by numerous books from CT Wilcox’s book to others. According to Joseph Geringer, John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle.\"\n\n>It’s a known historical fact that many Sephardic Jews (not all Jews), related to the B’nai B’rith were involved in the slave trade. Charleston’s B’nai B’rith leader Edwin Deleon’s family were slave traders. Deleon advocated a stronger Anglo-American alliance. The B’nai B’rith lodge was pro-slavery for the most part. Simon Wolf (18551953) was one of the famous Order of the B’nai B’rith members who was arrested by Lafayette C. Baker (Chief of the U.S. Secret Service) on charges on spying and blockading the Confederacy. In fact, Wolf and Benjamin Peixoto (another B’nai B’rith person) were close friends with John Wilkes Booth (assassin of Abraham Lincoln and according to Izola Forrester’s This One Mad Act was again a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle. Forrester was John Wilkes Booth’s granddaughter so this source does indeed have credibility)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Let it also be known that many Jewish people opposed slavery and publicly called for the freedom of African Americans during the 19th century. In the Civil War, twice as many Jews fought for the Union as for the Confederacy. Northern Jews, many of them recent German immigrants, were strongly pro-republican and anti-slavery. Now let’s go into the 20th century. James Bulloch was a confederate exile, which was Judah Benjamin’s secret service liaison man in England. Bulloch a Confederate chief arms procurer. He was arrested in 1854 in the Cuban/Quitman fiasco. Gustavus Myers was a channel between Judah Benjamin and August Belmont. Hays and many Jewish leaders in Virginia back then were linked to the Rothschilds of London and the Freemasons\n\n>The worldview of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) today is clearly reflected in the words of Confederate Judah Benjamin, a British intelligence agent and member of Albert Pike's Scottish Rite Masonic circles. In 1856, Benjamin claimed, \"Only slaves can farm the tropics,\" and complained that the independence movement that freed Haiti's slaves in 1891 had sunk Haiti. That claim is not a historical oddity. In the early 20th century, it was the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) that revived the Ku Klux Klan, a group that murdered and terrorized black Americans"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Now to remove all doubts; I'll take a few moments to give you the documentary proof of this racial-strife plot. First of all they had to create the leadership and organizations to draw in millions of dupes, both Jewish and Negroes, who would do the demonstrating and commit the rioting, looting, and lawlessness. So in 1909; Schiff, the Lehmans, and other conspirators, organized and set up the \"National Association for the Advancement of the Coloured People\" known as the \"NAACP.\" The presidents, directors, and legal councils of the NAACP were always \"white men Jews\" appointed by Schiff and this is the case to this very day\n\n>Then in 1913; the Schiff group organized the \"Anti-defamation League of the B'nai B'rith\" commonly known as the \"ADL\" to serve as the gestapo and hatchet-man outfit for the entire great conspiracy. Today the sinister \"ADL\" maintains over 2,000 agencies in all parts of our country and they advise and completely control every action of the \"NAACP\" or of the \"Urban League\" of all the other so-called Negro civil-rights organizations throughout the nation including such leaders as Martin Luther King, Stockely Carmichael, Barnard Rustin, and others of the ilk\n\n>In addition; the \"ADL\" acquired absolute control of the advertising-budgets of many department-stores, hotel-chains, and TV and Radio industrialist sponsors, also advertising-agencies in order to control practically all the mass-communications media and force every loyal newspaper to slant and falsify the news and to further incite; and, at the same time create sympathy for; the lawlessness and violence of the Negro mobs\n\n>Here is documentary proof of the beginning of their deliberate plot to foment the Negroes into all their lawlessness"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Around 1910; one Israel Zangwill wrote a play entitled \"The Melting-Pot.\" It was sheer propaganda to incite the Negroes and Jews because the play purportedly visualized how the American people were discriminating against, and persecuting Jews and Negroes. At that time nobody seemed to realize that it was a propaganda play. It was that cleverly-written. The propaganda was well wrapped-up in the truly great entertainment in the play and it was a big Broadway Hit\n\n>Now in those years, the legendary Diamond Jim Brady used to throw a banquet at the famous Delmonico Restaurant in New York after the opening-performance of a popular play. He threw such a party for the cast of \"The Melting-Pot,\" its author, producer, and chosen Broadway celebrities. By then I'd already made a personal mark on the Broadway Theater and was invited to that party. There I met George Bernard Shaw and a Jewish writer named Israel Cohen. Zangwill, Shaw, and Cohen were the ones who created the Fabian Society in England and had worked closely with a Frankfurt Jew named Mordicai who had changed his name to Karl Marx; but remember, at that time both Marxism and Communism were just emerging and nobody paid much attention to either and nobody suspected the propaganda in the writings of those three really brilliant writers"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>At that banquet; Israel Cohen told me that he was then engaged in writing a book which was to be a follow-up on Zangwill's \"The Melting- Pot.\" The title of his book was to be \"A Racial-Program for the 20th Century.\" At that time I was completely absorbed by my work as a playwright, and significant as that title was, its real-objective never dawned on me nor was I interested in reading the book. But it suddenly hit me with the force of a hydrogen-bomb when I received a newspaper clipping of an item published by the Washington D.C. Evening Star in May 1957. That item was a verbatim reprint of the following excerpt in Israel Cohen's book \"A Racial-Program for the 20th Century\" and it read as I quote:\n\n>\"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races, that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can move them to the program of the communist party. In America; we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites; we will instill in the whites a guilt-complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige; the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.\"\n\n>That same excerpt was entered into the Congressional Record of June 7, 1957; by Representative Thomas G. Abernethy. Thus the authenticity of that passage in Cohen's book was fully established. But the one question that remained in my mind was whether it represented the official policy or plot of the Communist Party or just a personal expression of Cohen himself. Hence I sought more proof and I found it in an official pamphlet published in 1935 by the New York Communist Party's official Workers' Library Publishers"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>That pamphlet was entitled: \"The Negroes in a Soviet America.\" It urged the Negroes to rise-up; form a soviet-state in the south, and apply for admission to the Soviet Union. It contained a firm pledge that the revolt would be supported by all American \"reds\" and all so-called \"liberals\". On page 38; it promised that a Soviet government would confer greater benefits to Negroes than to whites and again this official communist pamphlet pledged that; I quote: \"any act of discrimination or prejudice against a Negro will become a crime under the revolutionary law.\"\n\n>That statement proved that the excerpt in Israel Cohen's book published in 1913 was an official-edict of the Communist Party and directly in line with the Illuminati-blueprint for world-revolution issued by Weishaupt and later by Albert Pike\n\n>Now there's only one question and that is to prove that the communist regime is directly controlled by the American Jacob Schiff and the London Rothschild masterminds of the great conspiracy. A little later I will provide that proof that will remove even a remote doubt that the Communist Party, as we know it, was created by those masterminds (capitalists if you will note); Schiff, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds that planned and financed the entire Russian Revolution; the murder of the Czar and his family, and that Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin took their orders directly from Schiff and the other capitalists whom they supposedly are fighting"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Now can you see why the vile Earl Warren and his equally vile co-Supreme Court justices issued that infamous and treasonous desegregation-decision in 1954? It was to aid and abet the plot of the Illuminati conspirators to create tension and strife between the Negroes and Whites. Can you see why the same Earl Warren issued his decision prohibiting Christian-prayers and Christmas-carols in our schools? Why Kennedy did likewise? And can you see why Johnson and 66 Senators, despite the protests of 90% of the American people, voted for the \"Consular Treaty\" which opens our entire country to Russian spies and saboteurs? All those 66 Senators are 20th century Benedict Arnolds\n\n>It is up to you and you, all of the American people, to force Congress, our elected servants, to haul in those American traitors for impeachments and that when proven guilty; they all be given the punishment prescribed for traitors who aid and abet our enemies. And that includes the enforcing of rigid investigations by Congress of the \"CFR\" and all their fronts, such as the \"ADL,\" the \"NAACP,\" \"SNIC,\" and such Illuminati tools as Martin Luther King\n\n>Such investigations will completely unmask all the leaders in Washington, D.C. and the Illuminati and all their affiliations and affiliates as traitors carrying-out the Illuminati plot. It will completely unmask the United Nations as the intended crux of the entire plot and force Congress to take the U.S. out of the U.N. and hurl the U.N. out of the U.S.. In fact; it will destroy the U.N. and the entire plot"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Before I close this phase; I wish to reiterate and stress one vital point which I urge you to never forget if you wish to save our country for your children and their children. Here is the point. Every unconstitutional and unlawful act committed by Woodrow Wilson, by Franklin Roosevelt, by Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy and that are now being committed by Johnson (and today; George Bush and Bill Clinton) is exactly in line with the Illuminati conspirators centuries-old plot outlined by Weishaupt and Albert Pike\n\n>Every vicious decision issued by the traitorous Earl Warren and his equally-traitorous Supreme Court justices was directly in line with what the Illuminati-blueprint required. That all the treason committed by our State Department under Rusk and earlier by John Foster Dulles, and Marshall, also all the treason committed by McNamara and his predecessors is directly in line with that same Illuminati-blueprint for the takeover of the world. Also the amazing treason by various members of our Congress, especially by the 66 Senators who signed for the Consular Treaty, has been committed on orders from the Illuminati"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\nWell the rich yankees wouldn't have moved after they seceded though so that point is kind of moot"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>16\n>>17\n>>17\n>>18\n>>19\n>>20\nForgot to post this:\n\n>The Independent Order of B’nai B’rith formed in 1843 as a Jewish community subproject in the restoration of Masonry by the Scottish Rite and the British foreign office. Though most of its lodges were in the North, B’nai B’rith was openly proConfederate. Though it claimed to be neutral in the war, many of the Order’s Northern spokesmen were stridently pro-slavery. B’nai B’rith’s post-Civil War leaders were pro-Confederate operatives, including later president Simon Wolf, who had been arrested by the War Department in Washington, D.C. as the lawyer for a Confederate spy ring. \"Rabbi Isaac Wise established B’nai B’rith’s center for the \"liberalizing\" of Judaism in Cincinnati, Ohio-coinciding with Cincinnati’s other great Scottish Rite scheme, the launching of the Knights of the Golden Circle. Wise was officially neutral in the Civil War. Core leaders of the B’nai B’rith from then on have been Scottish Rite Masons. The political establishment associated with the Order has always had its headquarters in London"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nTrue that"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\n>lost cause\nNPC programming"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw no surviving welsh culture in the scottish lowlands and cumbria"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor me it's the crimean goths"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTocharians"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmpire of Austria"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit was perfect, but the sw*ss ruined it"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The Leonese empire. I would have loved to see a Spain unified by the Kingdom created by Pelayo, finish the Reconquista by XIII century and begin its conquest of the Atlantic world at XIV century, instead of seeing a shithole full of fighting each other kingdoms allowing muzzies stay 2 centuries more to proceed to fight for the Atlantic."}, {"id": 7, "content": "kind of a cheat answer but I wish Ireland remained a part of the U.K. like Wales and Scotland. They would've received home rule anyway like Wales and Scotland have and we would've avoided the nonsense of the troubles."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeird how autista distinguish parts of England but not Scotland"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">tfw no timeline where Cortes lost, intial smallpox epidemic doesn't take off for another few decades, Spain decides full blown conquests aren't worth it and opts for more hands off imperalism instead a la India/Southeast Asia where to this day you have Mexico, Peru, etc with intact Aztec and Inca period palaces, temples, and rural towns with traditional architecture and art motifs similar to Asian countries\n\nSorta related, pic is the remains of a multi-room palace compound from the early colonial period that's still mostly adhering to Prehispanic architectural conventions outside of a few details like the windows and arched doorway."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dunno anon, many of them. I guess I will just take fellow Baltic tribes as a biased choice, but I would have liked to see pagan and not Romanized Europe."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPannonian latin rump.\nEtruscans\nBeothuwuk"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Spain decides full blown conquests aren't worth it and opts for more hands off imperalism instead a la India/Southeast Asia where to this day you have Mexico, Peru, et\nThat's what they did."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nInitially, sure, arguably to an extent, but that really didn't last and I mean even less then they initially did historically.\n\nLike after Cortes dies or is captured, merely establishing diplomatic contact with Tenochtitlan and opting to trade with them and monopolizing naval access/trade with Mesoamerica to the rest of Eurasia, and gradually gaining influence in Aztec political systems as a result of that and making the Aztec reliant on them for weapons, goods, etc. Local institutions merely being subverted and under Spanish influence rather then being directly conquered, or at least the transformation from the former to latter being a much more gradual process then it was historically that leaves local culture more intact."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nDon't forget Tartaria."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCumbrians were cool, I can get behind that.\n\nKinda wish there were modern Etruscans kicking around, too. Or enough records on them so that we could actually understand their damned language."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nblame the western schism and the Armagnac civil war. Pour crusader families had to give up those Greek possessions to the turks.\n>>15\nWicked cool founding legends. So much speculation about Bran his children, Linus, Constantius and Elen. Padarn, The Kingdom of Gwyenedd and Arthurian legends."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Bros, its been 1537 years and I still miss it every day"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nTo me that looks like a render from some 15 year old who's learning how to build maybe his third level in the Quake engine. Second, if Unity.\nIt's blocky as shit and it won't hold up well, much less scale.\n... mind you, Nahua-speakers with regular contact with Italians across the pond will likely figure out how to merge their architecture, geometry, and metallurgy into buildings that are true to local traditions without looking like this Detroit-tier strip mall."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>based Etruria enjoyer\nIf we can find another library in Herculaneum which didn't get burned as hard as the library we've found already, maybe we'll get Claudius' volumes on that. This stuttering cuck had lots of spare time to learn the Etruscan language in between listening to Messalina riding some big Thracian gladiator"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\njust a roman larp state. No way it survived. But I do sympathize with the roman plight.\n>>19\nMaybe then we will decipher what those mummy's bandages were saying."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n>Pannonian latin rump\nIt exists, bro. It's called \"Romania\" today.\nNot in the same place, but probably the same people."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nThe early Spanish Caribbean was a very kino 29-year period."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love the duchy of naxos. I miss it so much."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nWell, I don't know what to tell you, it's a real photo of a real structure, though i'm sure it's been cleaned up and restored a bit. It does heavily match depictions of structures in codices too, see pic\n\nKeep in mind also those are just 4 rooms and a patio of a larger palace compound, if you look up the name on google you can see full floorplans, it's just the other rooms aren't as intact and aren't visible in frame."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "According to Oswald Spengler, as western civilization decays, its heart will be consumed by a universal empire like the Romans, Aztecs, or Assyrians. He states that for the west this universal empire would probably be all global spanning due to how influential the west was. I know this can be a polarizing subject for anti Americans but due to the world wars, it looks like america has become the universal empire.\n\n>Large swathes of the planet have integrated and localized American culture\n>English speaking rapidly spreading\n>Most important global legal disputes are solved in New York courts, one case recently delegitimized equators entire court\n>Increased tension in the imperial heartland due to massive foreigner influence betting on people like racing horses, bringing it to the brink of civil war (Frankfurt school and globohomo, culture wars, etc.)\n>Americans are using the higher wages to colonize poorer countries like the Roman’s did (I.e. digital nomads, Californians in Mexico City and Lisbon)\n>Both Americas strengths and weaknesses epitomize faustian ideals\n>Americans legally obligated to defend a quarter of humanity\n>meltdown of traditional European + Japanese/Korean and Latino cultures (mass immigration with immigrants emulating white and black Americans, increased English speaking, importation of foreign social issues)\n>Modern western identity is increasingly Canadian (how they compare to Americans rather than standing on their two feet as they get more and more Americanized)\n>only actual threat is a separate civilization\n>all western political structures have been getting more angloesque over the last century"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The west is already dead mate, it died in 1945"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBtw this isn’t American exceptionalism or nationalist chest beating, in face the meltdown of the traditional euro ethnicities is probably a bad thing. I also want to answer the “they’re Allies question”\n\nAmericans view them as Allies because the American empire will never make countries less sovereign than they made their own states, meaning there will be lots of autonomy. Americans also deny it because it would be the death of their identity being a former colony and all. However if you look at how all these states besides maybe France operate, it’s mostly in line and under the American heel. Not even Switzerland is exempt anymore on grounds of FATCA and the US recently bailing out Switzerland banks or how the Swiss are increasingly getting anti Russian with the war."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIt takes literal centuries for civilizations to collapse. Spengler put the world war(s) under the category of age of conflict, as the previously competing countries burn themselves out in grand wars."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nRome didn't fall in 476, it had been a joke like 250 years prior to that. That pretty much describes the modern west as well, its a decaying corpse in all but name"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe west is closer to 30 BCE if anything. It’s just most of the wests energy has been transferred to the US."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDesu America was basically handed the world on a silver platter in 1991 and it would still be unstoppable if it could handle these three issues\n>Birth rates in decline, but not to the point of no return, just 15 years ago they were even above replacement. This needs to go up given that most of America is still relatively empty and a growing population of native-born Americans would benefit its development.\n>Americans need to lose fucking weight, obesity is a huge drain on both the individual and on health services\n>They really need to sort out their bizarre political culture wars shit that's going on right now, it's creating unnecessary gridlock and preventing a lot of necessary investment and the passage of more important laws\nIf it could get those things together I'm convinced that the country would be unstoppable well into the late 21st Century."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica is the late Roman Republic, if you're going by Spengler. Caesar time when?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nNah, we didn't have any Caesarianism yet, only now are Western countries even getting to post Gracchi Bros. levels of social inequality and polarization"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>Desu America was basically handed the world on a silver platter in 1991 and it would still be unstoppable if it could handle these three issues\nThe Fall of the Soviet Union is the Third Punic War of America. Shit's going to hit the fan until the political system changes in some meaningful way. Whether through a dictator or through reform, we cannot continue on our current trajectory"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy issue with your proposition is at its first principle. We simply do not live in Assyria or Rome or Ancient China and it is silly to equate our times with theirs. It can be fun to ask who the contemporary Caesar is, but there is no real contemporary.\nIn the modern world, we work modern jobs, die of modern diseases, wage modern wars, build a modern economy, and so on. We will not decay in the same way the Ancient Romans did, no more than we built our empire the same way they did.\nFor example, your comparison neglects that Europe has just as much economic power as the United States and 3-4x its population.\nYou spoke of Americans in Mexico City. Imagine we could annex all of Mexico and somehow tame it. It would mean incorporating or exterminating some 150 million people into the United States. You should be able to see, clearly, why empire is a ridiculous concept in the modern age. Annexing and incorporating any amount of territory is simply untenable. You will have to (1) abandon a democratic society in order to manage the conquered peoples, such as by restricting citizens, or (2) turn in Hitler on crack and exterminate/deport hundreds of millions, or (3) grant so many concessions that you are either gaining nothing from the conquests or are even taken over by the subject peoples."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\namerica is unstoppable as is, thats the danger\n\n>>9\nif anything happens in america, it'll be this decade"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>america is unstoppable as is, thats the dange\nnothing is unstoppable\n>if anything happens in america, it'll be this decade\nthings are going to get a lot worse then you think\nThe 20s will actually be alright towards the end of them. I know it sounds hard to believe now."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nThe mode of American civilisation outside of petty material concerns is something to not be preserved"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nWhy france in particular? Because they have a rule about limiting english music on the radio?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nNot him, but I'd imagine it's because France is pretty much the only country in the American sphere that still has a truly independent military doctrine and actively works to insulate its culture."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI dont know a lot about military but I always thought switzerland was very unique as far as their military is concerned. You know they have fortifications around every bridge and giant gun turrets disguised as sheds?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nYes, but Switzerland is relatively miniscule and in most regards not directly a part of the American sphere. France is, is a major nation with a wholly independent foreign policy, and still engages in its own conflicts regularly, especially in its former colonies in West Africa."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\n>BCE"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, if there was one thing Spengler was vindicated on, it wad that yhe West would be consolidated into an Imperium by the winner of the Faustian warring states period. The west and the late Roman Republic look pretty similar. Although Rome didn't control the entire Mediterranean basin directly, it had a series of vassal states like Judea and Egypt which were integrated into the Roman system. Anyone who says that NATO countries or Korea/Japan aren't American vassals are coping. We're also seeing the breakdown of democracy, with people no longer caring about the decorum and unspoken rules of politics, and wealthy populists trying to siege control of the system. Trump is a ceasar figure, but he's not THE ceasar. The institutions ceasar would need to take are still too strong, and frankly Trump is too incompetent to take on that role fully. However, in twenty or thirty years time frame, I think we'll finally get our own Qin Shi Huang"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, he’s right. Years ago I studied history and came to the same conclusion, long before I had ever heard of Spengler or his theory.\n\nA peripheral empire/state comes along and consumes the heart of the civilization, which is often fratured into multiple weak states. The Romans came and ate the east Mediterranean Diadochi and divided Greeks in Hellas; the Americans came and ate the weak European states. Russia COULD HAVE become the peripheral consumer. During WWII, Hitler changed the course of history by forcing America to become that empire, by launching Operation Barbarossa against Russia and focusing all his resources on combatting the country. He left his west open to attack by America, and left Russia with a deadly wound. America ate the core of the core (western Europe) while Russia ate only the edge of the core (eastern Europe). This meant that America had “won the race” so to speak. Thus the dying Russia eventually receded back to the periphery and America gully subsumed its place as Caput Mundi, and its role as univeral empire."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nThis is cope.\n>he thinks american states are free\nLol\nLmao even\n\nRemember little rock? Remember the civil war? Remember ATF raids? Remember anything at all? Western European satrapies may LOOK independent, but its an elaborate illusion. Germany is still literally occupied by the US, and its elections are fake and gay and decided by the US military in DC. Britain is americas bitch lmao. France pretends to be independent but lets be honest its an irrelevant shithole and was even back in wwii. Poland got absorbed over the last 20 years. Even jewkraine is getting roped in now."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>if you are in an alliance with a nation that is stronger then you, you are a vassal.\nBased on what exactly? Please explain in great detail why this is true."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">communists eliminated\n>falangism established\n\nGood job boys, let's go get some of that free love poon from their gf's"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnah bro, I don't wanna take some moors' sloppy second, let's go back home, show off our war scars, that always get the gals soaking"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Spain remains the poorest shithole in western Europe\nI love how these literally who ideologies falangism syndicalism integralism etc are all from shithole med states. What happens when you're too stupid, poor and brown for capitalism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nActually did very good not having to have their economy co-opted by the Marshall Plan Trojan Horse.\n\nThey did fine considering they weee sandbagged by both the capitalists and communists."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nIs it really true you're a southeast asian"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">is a poor shithole until falangism is replaced with an open economy"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>falangism established\nNever happened. Franco sidelined the Falangists for his run-of-the-mill conservative catholic dictatorship, and then restored the monarchy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou guys are too far gone"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nGone to 1930's Spain that is"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\ngermsisters, not like this..."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>falangism established\nFranco wasn't a falangist."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>without Prussia and lost territory\nAnd?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>Switzerland in the center\nNot the best argument against Germans now is it\nHow many Nobel prizes has your Latinx country got?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>b-but what about this different country?!\nPathetic Hans.\nAnyway, point still stands that Spain isn't the poorest country in Europe, not even close actually."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nOH N-"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\ni won't take a metric where montenegro is as rich as the netherlands seriously lol"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nlol"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\nLol."}, {"id": 19, "content": "The victor gone to spoiler"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\n>>7\n>>11\nFalangism won. Get over it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nI'd rather be a mountain nigger than a swamp german"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>Falangism wo-ACK!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nFalangism isn't an ideology, its just general anti-communism."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nSwitzerland was white Afghanistan until the French elite made a pact with them to use them for tax evasion after WW1. That was their lucky break, they were the poorest country in europe until they came up with numbered accounts"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nis this true?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>party had to dump Marxism\n>adopt socdem position instead\n\nIt’s over gommiecels"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>10\nUkraine looks cute"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>i-its okay because their socdem and not tankies\nPrimo de Rivera and all of the FE de la JONS are rolling in their graves."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nit is a worser situation than a simple \"socdems took over\", Franco ruined everything\n>Carlists\nas Franco started purging Basque activists, and abandoned Carlists as allies to start a new loyal \"Falange\", Carlists started to lean to leftism and socalism. One of the Carlist princes was even a Titoist. Nowadays, Carlist Movement is a socialist party.\n>Falange\nTheir cadres replaces by army cadres by Franco, which made them an authoritarian covservative party rather than a fascist one. Last time falange appeared, it tried to lean to social democracy to win votes but lost the election and separated into 4 differentnillegal groups and one of them is a leftist.\n>Bourbon royalists\nThe Bourbon dynasty didnt follow the promise of loyalty given to Franco, they immediately installed liberal democracy and former supporters of Falange became liberal conservatives in purpose\n>Spanish army\nCannot hold the country together. Catalonia was going to be almost independent until even monarch decided it is too cringe and liberal for him.\nFascism fails in the end, it becomes yet another liberal conservative regime."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasado"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What traditionally cultural games did you play as a child? I played tag."}, {"id": 2, "content": "«LA TRAES», «ESCONDIDAS», «LA BOTELLA», «POLICÍAS, Y LADRONES», «TAZOS», RAYUELA, «QUEMADOS», ET CETERA."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that a line up for a new window smoke?\n[spoiler]1.6 and football[/spoiler]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe threw ping pong balls at each other’s backs, then laughed at whoever had the most welts by the end of it. I really don’t know why we thought that was a fun game, and it was never out of malice so it really makes no sense to me in hindsight."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nring the doorbells of our neighbors then run away"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What traditionally cultural games did you play as a child?\n\nI was notoriously bad at making friends, so my childhood was occupied with wandering around ravines, the woods, and catching insects, frogs, and minnows."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt the mosque I would play Cops and robbers, Marco polo, and freeze tag. Mostly the first game."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWall Ball, 500 (football)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is socialist heraldry so soulless?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould you prefer if they used the standard corporate cartoon art style popularized by silicon valley"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ndumb stawman"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSocialism is for soulless insect people"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYeah including national socialism."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNah, I respect the drip"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaterialists with no sense of spiritually\nNot that different to modern capitalists"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks cozy to me."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>No sense of spiritually"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nHow so? It's the only viable alternative in the modern world. Larpers got tossed into the dustbin of history. Aesthetics won't save you on the battlefield or in the market"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not heraldry and its not supposed to be"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nwhich alternative do you prefer?\n\nBritish Style coat of arms with 4 squares and 2 animals\nLatin American clusterfuck coat of arms\nChernobyl Bird (2 headed eagle)\nNormal bird (one headed eagle)\nMuslim palm tree and a crescent (not to be confused with South Carolina)\nOoga booga sheld and spears"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's soulless but kino in a way."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nEven tho its the Taliban's it looks very socialistic like something out Najibullah era of Socialist Afghanistan."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>the fascists have the outfits\nWell, I don't care for the outfits."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n\nMedieval heraldry is good, look up the coat of arms of Poland or Austria"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n\nPoland's coat of arms looks like a chicken that got run over\n\nI prefer simple, yet elegant.\nJapan, or any Japanese prefecture\nUkraine\nSouth Korea\nR.O.C."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Because you define soulless as what hurts your feelings."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nYou can animate them too\n\nhttps://youtu.be/BQoHBO6s538 [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause anything beyond the \"material reality\" (because apaarently only materials exist and ideas does not exist, even though whole ideology is based on compilation of 19th century ideas) is dangerous to society. Marcxism Leninism is like Plato's Republic but replacing the king with a central committee and class division with \"classless society\", make the whole epistemolgoy written by Aristotle and then maximize the arts seection of the book to the brim. As you know, Plato's Republic suggests art by itself is dangerous and only should be used as a tool of education and propaganda and using real life and realistic material because anything lie and has artistic can spread dangerous ideas. If we take this suggestion literally and tried this, you get Marxist Leninist art."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\nYup . Because anything with soul just can't happen"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nBecause Talibs literally didnt built anything. They took existing things, destroyed existing things and modified existing things. No matter Afghanistan is failing economically.\nThis take applies bot hto the first government and second one"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>11\nIt really is supposed to be"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\neast germany's seal was kinda kino, but yeah i agree, socialist heraldry tends to be very lame but in a sort of kino way like>>13\nsaid"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>east germany's seal was kinda kino\nfeels masonic to me"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nthats kinda what makes it look cool, they didnt just coopy soviet aesthetics, they presved german ones but made them red and i think thats kinda cool\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W-GOsw9y_o [Embed]"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\nBitch that's what those seals look like"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nThe funniest thing to me about the idea of only following \"material reality\" Is that the idea that everything we perceive is actually 100% true to how the universe works is a unscientific fallacy itself. Our senses are flawed cameras that interpret reality in a way that is most useful for survival, not truth. When you see an organism, you're not seeing at a colony of billions of cells, you see it as one holistic being, your perception is limited. What you see and hear isn't actually reality, it's reality filtered through your limited brain, an idea at the end of the day. Even with tools that allow us to dig deeper to the truth, our brains still intercept everything through their own flawed lenses, you're still just making an idea of what you think is the truth rather than truly understanding it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nPRC flag and emblem are pretty aesthetic. Sadly the aesthetics stop there."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\nSocialist emblems are literally the heraldic equivalent of that."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically, neckties used to be military scarves. How did it transform from a noble symbol into one of wage-slaving submission?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeckties were always about submission. It comes from merchants having to wear nooses in public to show their loyalty to the king when he came to town."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmass manufacturing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We are justified by faith alone."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo are the Moslems."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot according to the Bible"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is this supposed to convince anyone who isn't already convinced?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlook up the only time \"faith alone\" is mentioned in the Bible."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSelf-justification doesn't count."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe only reconciliation between James 2 and Ephesians 2 is the protestant reading, that in its context James is referring to justification before men not soteriological standing before God.\n\nThe catholic functionally ignores Ephesians on this point."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How can you call me Lord and not do what I say?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. But thankfully NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. So no need for faith.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssyA82Khka0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nHow do you explain Hell NDEs?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo why do you have faith in a magic jew in the sky?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are italians european in anything but geography?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are literally levantine arabs mixed with african pygmies from sardinia"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>SS nordic Aryan identitarian defenders of the white race\nschizobabble, go outside more"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal Italian crowd.\nYou will never be European."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you hate southern europe so much, mordvix?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNo one wants to be in the EU except mutts"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nMost of those look like arabs and they are not even watching the camera LMAO"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIt's not about the EU. Switzerland is not in the EU. Yet they are European. Heirs to a common heritage. Something you will never be, because you are a rootless Siberian mutt."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou're taking the shitposts of a russian incel too seriously, irl turkey is the country people have doubts whether its european or not"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nNo one with a pair of eyes think of italians as much more than mena imports"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nno spic goblino,they are white\narabs look nothing like that"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nlol. Italians can't be further from white. they are culturally spic arabs with gypsy arabic touchy loud culture, they are also physically and genetically identical to arabs from jordania, syria, palestine, Turkey, armenia, lebanon, morocco and tunisia.\nT"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYou will never be European."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">14910808\nwhy are spic shitskins so unhinged"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nDude im literally genetically closer to scandinavians than italians are and i'm central asian lmao"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThank you for confirming it's non-whites making these threads. You will never be European."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">Dude im literally genetically closer to scandinavians than italians are and i'm central asian lmao"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWhy is this cope? Everyone knows italians are clearly non-white and look like a completly different species compared to white people"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt's clearly working to trigger you. This is what sets off all your insecurities. Knowing that you will never be European."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey will always be more European than the mongolian russian posting this thread."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nLOL\nYour race loves white people, especially italians"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, they belong to MENA genetically."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGay alien thread? Gay alien thread"}, {"id": 24, "content": "drink bleach"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nHe's a british on paki rapebaby not asian yellow"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>>20\n>>17\n>>5\nObsessed goblins."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>>20\n>>9\nWhy is this indian anon posting anything besides bbc pornography? Is she transitioning?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>>17\nThe faces of the masters of darkwitch. Make a picture with darkwitch in middle"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEurope is a purely geographical term the Greeks invented to call the land northwest of them"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\nyou're estonian ,not germanic"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\nGay alien thread indeed. Ilya here is having another mental breakdown. Maybe it's because he hasn't posted his disgusting body in the past 2 minutes to strangers on the internet."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nWow you're fucking ugly Mordovix the gay alien, glasses or not, no wonder you're so angry"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\n>>31\nFuck what an ugly gay alien, spoiler that shit I'm about to puke"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nLooks like all the bitter Central Asian and Siberian mutts have come triggered by the posts telling you the truth. You will never be European. Like moths to a lamp.\n\nYou may cope all you want about made up connections to ancient Aryans but you will never be European. People will always laugh to your face and think you are delusional.\n\nYou will never be White. You will never be Western. You will never be European."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nDarktroon what happened. You escaped the reservation again? Should i call the brahmins to take you inside?\nCalm tranny. You lost. Seething wont unrape you hijra"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nWhat hapened gay alien? The startship took off and left you being in your planet?\n\n>>31\nThat thing doesn't look human, uncanny valley shit, what an abomination, looms like a walking fetus, a malforbed creature that was meant to be aborted"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>>34\n>>33\nwow, the aryans have conquered the alpine indian race again, like always, indians have been subjugated by the white nordic masters and put into reservations, selectively built to be slaves for superior nordic beings, forever enslaved, while white aryans invent everything indians are relegated as mere slaves"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>31\n>>26\n\nWhen the oblivion character generator goes horribly long"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\npotato headed brown hijra, why can't you unrape yourself? you lost, its over, the nordic race won and the indian race are slaves. as usual"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>31\nWhat the fuck is that thing?"}, {"id": 41, "content": "I don't really get why various mutts obsess over scandis and meds t b h.\nI mean it's a common marriage when it comes to foreign groups but other than that we don't really think too much about each other."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>26\n>>17\ndamn, they mog darkwitch to hell and back"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\n>>31\n\nSo ithat thing speaks our language? He's trying to communicate, let me talk to it:\n\nGo back to your home planet please, gay alien"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\nI'm sorry my friend. It's disgusting, I know. It hurt my eyes the first time I saw his gay alien alien squidward nose too."}, {"id": 45, "content": "its over"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>31\n>we come in peace\n>we come in peace"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\n>we\nShe's trying to larp as med again!\nKEK"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>>46\n>>43\n>>41\n>>40\n>>37\n>>36\n>>32\nthe hijra is having another meltdown, i repeat, the hijra is having another meltdown\n\neveryone laugh at her"}, {"id": 49, "content": "ever notice how the russhit always deflects and attacks india? it's almost like he knows russhits are inferior to italians and other wops"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>31\n>>26\nSomeone dressed up an aborted fetus? What a sick sense of humor desu, disgusting"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>31\nNigga wtf"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>31\n>this \"thing\" is calling others subhuman\nLMAO"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>31\nIs that tiny thing his pecker? What kind of fucking retard would post this pic of himself on the internet?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>45\nits over"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nA delusional retard with no friends or social life."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>45\nWitches not like this"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>45\nBased and true. Fixed it slightly."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>45\nwow, darktroon is so pathetic"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>31\nlol"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>45\nAs usual, another defeat for the dravidian slave race"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>45\nis she really darkwitch? wow, no wonder she's a literal slave living in a reservation, she's built to serve nordic masters"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>31\nA walking breathing Oblivion abomination"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>15\nAre you tajik or what"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>45\nPajeet abo dravidian monkeys humiliated. Classic)"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>45\ndarktroon sisters... not like this"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>45\nLmao holy mog"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>45\nOH NONONONONONONONONO"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>58\n>>61\n>>61\n>>67\n>exactly one minute apart\ndo you think people wont notice your astroturfing"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>31\nWhat the fuck ahahahahahahaa"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>55\nTruth. He posts these threads every single day for hours."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>45\nhahahaahhhaha potato headed abo monkeys btfo"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>66\n>>67\nLol the gay alien has broken down, he will not be missed even in his gay home planet"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>45\nwitchtrannies... we were humilliated again, the dravidian race can't stop losing"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>34\nWhat does any of that have to do with Greek geography 3000 years ago"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>4\n20% look white."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>62\n>>31\nLMAO it's uncanny. Put this abomination back in the character generator please, it's cruel to keep it around in the real world."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>45\nHijras... not like this"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>45\n>>57\nwill she recover someday?\nshe's been broken, her hijra tiny slave brain forever damaged"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nI've never seen such a meltdown as today. Did something happen with her? Did Kshatriyas arrive into Michigan?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nYes i think. Something must have happened to her. Maybe some northern indian brahmins mocked her for being a hijra dalit dravidian\nI recently saw a hijra posting her selfie on int.\nDo you think its her?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nWas it an American hijra? Our Indianwitch lives in the US, somebody said in Michigan."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nyes yes, someone catched her ip once, this one was american indeed"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nI got extraflags and it's not the same person, that pic is some rando. Michigan pajeet uses extraflags"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nOH its you, you are trying to hide yourself troonwitch\nLMAO fucking ugly ass hijra"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nmeds mongol, im the guy who said \"darkwitch\" is a michigander in the first place - because he has extraflags"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nKek, we really finally caught her!"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nwhats your country then?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nshe's having a meltdown and pretending she can see the flag of a post that was done several days ago, its over for witch, we must publish her pic everywhere. what a fucking ugly deformed abo ape\nshe even has a sponge on the head"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nim the mexican that was in that same thread\nhttps://desuarchive.org/int/thread/178864338\nthreads long gone so i cannot screencap the extraflags though"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>unknown\noh, a shame, i thought it was our personal dalit"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>9\nnobody but liberal turks thinks theyre european. the real point of dispute is armenia and georgia, plus russia but thats just political"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>9\n>irl turkey is the country people have doubts whether its european or not\nTurkey only tried to join EU for gibs."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>80\nHe is more masculine than mordvix tbqh"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nTroonwitch you look like a literal goblin tranny with a sponge in her head kek"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nDid you look at yourself in a mirror, Mordy? You look like a little boy that was forcefed HRT pills. The pajeet would do the needful with your twink body if you were together in a room."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nHijra. hrt meds, take em, now, otherwise your hijra weak pygmy alpine body wont be ready for the brahmin dalitbreaking sessions"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nRussia is hapa nation"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni wonder why the russmutt is so obsessed with niggertaly of all country considering they are both brown mutt nations multicultural experiments\n\n>>96\nrussians are mutts, you are brown mord"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nrussia and italy are both partially shitskin nations, their only purpose is to serve their germanic masters, unfortunately russia is forgetting that with the invasion of ukraine and their attacks on nato, we will starve them until they understand their real purpose in life"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\nMore masculine than you lol."}, {"id": 101, "content": "Those both have new IPs so the main larper is not Mexican.\nI'd guess so:\n>>98 - whining shitalian\n>>97 - pakiwitch\n>>95 - joseph\n>>unknown - indianwitch"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nYou are tatar dude, stop talking about ipd"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nmentally ill brown russian mutt"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\ntake your meds"}, {"id": 105, "content": "i figured it out\n\n>>98 - germanic god\n>>101 - yellow russian that will never be germanic"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>101\nrussmuttistanibros.... not like this"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n>>101\nShe's having a meltdown. I think shes just changing her ip. There is a couple of ways to do that\n\nThis is obviously samefag\n>>102\n>>103\n>>104\n>>105\nI wonder if this one is joseph. She posts similarly"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\npersecution complexes, google it\nyou will never be r1b, you will always be an r1a z92 manlet slave"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nRussia is Brown just like India and shitaly"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\n>if this one is joseph\nHmm, maybe. Likely. It's clearly not any witch and the shitalian is usually much less persistent.\n>similarly\nIn what way exactly?\n>>108\nMake a model."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\n>In what way exactly?\nVery persistent, Tries to push and stick some catchprase, uses Vahaduo, prone to flood, spam and samefag, its a similar posting overall"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nBrown russmutts and brown Italians are not similar to germanics and anglos cope and seethe"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>107\nfunny how this russmutt sucks our cocks so much that can't fathom being shitted on by a germanic man ahahahah\nyou will never be related to the germanics, you will never plot with germanics you will never carry a germanic haplogroup you are yellow, you are asian, you look like a kpop gay man and you're 5'6"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\n>>110\nCoping russian"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>110\n>>111\nstop samefagging, tatar, know your place in the racial hierarchy, you are below germans, english and dutch"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>4\nStill shitskins under the lighting\n\nSad"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>111\nYes, yes. It's him.\n>>113\n>>115\nI just got the real coordinates of a famous /his/ poster! What do you think about him? Does he look Semitic?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nhe looks shitskinned just like indians, italians and russians why do you ask mord?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nHe's so non-Semitic. What do you think, is he a mulatto?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>114\n>>115\nWhy is mordvixs like this? he always start speaking to himself midconvo and naming random nationalities"}, {"id": 121, "content": "Here are his actual coordinates btw:\n\n???,0.020407,0.137499,0.018398,-0.031011,0.035911,-0.015135,-0.013757,0.006022,0.041522,0.03153,0.001367,-0.00083,0.002569,-0.014016,0.013337,-0.001711,-0.003935,-0.00762,-0.019103,0.005673,-0.002426,-0.015171,0.007823,-0.004341,0.00225"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nwe're hitting close, he needs to pretend that he's persecuted and it's all a coordinated attack against him lol, he think people like russians"}, {"id": 123, "content": "russia not white\nrussia brown"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\n>>123\nThis \"man\" is so mutted there's not a single population that's close to him."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>106\nmordvix right now: we're related to the creators of the modern worACK\n\nno mord, you're related to drunk russian mutts"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\n>>125\nAnd his ancestors are only such mulattoes like himself, usually slaves."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>124\nthat's correct, joseph is a mutt, you are also a mutt like all russians, indians and italians are mutts too before you name them"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nHe has nothing in common with Semites, right?"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>117\nAltought. I'm not sure. Don't you think it might be one lf your fangirls from russia? If not Darktroon herself. This is a quite strange poster nontheless. I do think its joseph but it might also be darktroon"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>128\ndamn right, just like you have nothing in common with white people aka northwestern europeans like the dutch, the english or the belgians"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nmordvix here, i believe he's an ethnic englishman"}, {"id": 132, "content": "mordvix status: mindbroken"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>120\nHe has a multiple personality reality split breakdown every time he goes 5 min without posting his gay alien body."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>129\n>your fangirls\nToo smart. They're dumb as fuck and barely can even speak English.\n>be darktroon\nIndianwitch seemed to not use different IPs and supposed to already be itt. Though yes, it can be she, 60:40 in favor of Joseph, I'd say."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\n>>129\nAnd Indianwitch is still more calmly usually, I don't know Joseph very well though."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\n>>134\nbrown mordvix right now"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\nWhat do we know about the mexican? I remember her to be quite calm. But sometimes the mongrel gets railed. Something still tells me she's the dalit today she went nuclear. The punjabi kshtriyas that arrived michigan to marry her sister bullied him for being a dravidian"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\ni dunno man, but i think we just gotta accept that white germanic posters don't like our mutt russian assess, we're losing in ukraine bro, we're dumb weakling mutts, it's the ultimate truth, the light at the end of the tunnel: we russians aint white"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nAh yes. It's you. It's funny you haven't figured yet. But i wonder if you really believe you are speaking solely with ilya"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\n>the mexican\nI can't tell him apart from both shitalians, they're writing literally the same. I'd even dare to claim it's the same samefagging person.\n>>139\nYou have the final guess?"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n>can't tell him apart from both shitalians\nYes he is very subtle, i sometimes notice some of his particular spellings, but not often. As for this one, is probably Darktroon (indian flavour) with occasional posts of the mexcrement."}, {"id": 142, "content": "joseph here, these are my posts:\n\n>>106 (You)\n>>101 (You)\n>>102 (You)\n>>103 (You)\n>>104 (You)\n>>105 (You)"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>140\n>dare to claim\nThough the last time I did so it actually were different people, just dumb and poor, kek.\n>>141\nThen yes, it's an Indianwitch plus Pakiwitch pair, with the whining shitalian before."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>140\n>>141\ni think you should just accept your non white status instead of coming up with these schizo persecution complex posts"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>141\n>>140\nYou're just brown dude, just accept it"}, {"id": 146, "content": "is joseph the iraqi living in australia who was obsessed with al-andalus?"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>143\nDo you think pakiwitch is here? She often chimps out and starts sperg-posting faster. In this one troonwitch tried to keep a narrative. A thing pakiwitch cannot do as her low iq impedes her.\nThe main poster here is clearly indianwitch. There is some orbiter posters as well. But they might be minor"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>144\nour undeniable superiority mindbroke this russmutt subhuman so much that he can't fathom getting heat by germanic men holy kek, i love it"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\nRusshit mutts are below Germanic, even he knows that"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>146\nNo, its a half french half nafri creatura with an identity crisis"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>147\nyeah, he's my paki house slave and soon you'll join him mord"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>143\nYes here see. In here darkwitch makes the initial post >>148\nThen the mexican answers back >>149\n\nAs we guessed it was darkwitch with some orbiters"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\nis he the guy behind the anti-wop threads that used picrel?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nno and no, now admit that germanics are superior to russians"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nRussmutt is not gonna answer"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>153\nNo, that one is the moroccan-belgian that hates italians or the tajik."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>147\n>pakiwitch\nI'd say this >>145, >>112, >>109, >>102 all is her. Those are simple, dumb, and without images.\n>>152\nI'd trust to mexcrement in this case, it doesn't look like his usual state."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>154\n>mordvix reply naming indians/italians/mexicans coming in 4...3...2...1...."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>101\n>"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>152\nwrong! i don't use caps\nt. mexican\n>>157\nsee? even this other russhit knows it aint me\n>>156\nhow many nafris are there? is joseph the one who always posts about how berbers are huwiter than spaniards?"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>157\nThe mexcrement is generally passive. But depending on the poster she may get angry and start seething. She used to do so with a particular goblinito from Spain. Her posting manners tend to change a lot with her mood. As for darkwitch. She wilk try to avoid us pointing her as much as possible and will push the larp as much as she can, of course she is to dumb to actually make it but you can notice by the persistence she has in deflecting is actually the troon"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\n>he used to do so with a particular goblinito from Spain\nwho? i dont recall any spaniard in this board other than Pedro the guy obsessed with black people. i think most people in wop threads were italians and portuguese"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>160\n>how many nafris are there? is joseph the one who always posts about how berbers are huwiter than spaniards?\n3, maybe 4, no, the one that insists on the whiteness of nafris is a berber of some sort. I am not sure if its precisely the belgian one. His anti-italian posting started because a particular italian poster picked on him and calling berbers black"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>161\n>posting manners tend to change a lot with her mood\nLooks the same as the whining shitalian, I'll no wonder if you confused them too.\n>for darkwitch\nYeah, the main larper is obviously her. I slandered poor Joseph."}, {"id": 165, "content": "darkwitch looks very weak, she is definitely a bottom faggot"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\nYES YES YES YES YES ITS SHE"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>164\nWe should adress the hijra as usual next time she spergs, she'll eventually remember her place and return to the reservation."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\nHijra.\nyou lost"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>167\nI just never have seen such a meltdown by her so assumed it can't be she. Pakiwitch gets such episodes time to time but I remember Indianwitch being calmer."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>169\nYes, but the week you were absent she started posting about you everytime she saw me and larping as someone else, i simply ignored her because i didn't cared enough but it seems it made her believe she was undetectable, so she decided to have a meltdown now that you returned."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>169\nRussians aren't white\n>Inbefore he mentions shitalians Indians pakis and mexicans\nNot white just like russmutts"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>167\n>>169\ni look at the thread and the only meltdown i see is from a certain asian mutt from russia (you)\nyou are a yellow mutt lol, it's hilarious how much you sperg out when someone calls you that"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">she keeps posting\nWhat is she trying? Have the kshtriyas damaged her brain?"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>170\nGrim. I can imagine her despair now.\n>>165\n>>172\n>>171\nEh, hijra, you know... Emm, I actually travelled to India last week and... Organized a death squad of Kshatriyas... And, emm... They were sent to Michigan... They will arrive soon... I'm sorry..."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>174\ni have no idea what the fuck those indian words mean you russian mutt, you are yellow, there's no secret conspiracy against you, you are just a mentally ill yellow mutt"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>175\nI'm so sorry, witchy... I tried to stop them but the Brahmin ruling your reservation was so confident... And, emm... All your cousins were already hanged also... I'm sorry..."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\n>I can imagine her despair now\nYes, she must be desperate now that instead of being ignored she's being spotted. As we both know witch loves to be on \"incognito\" and larp as several different people. It gives her the authority her pajeet status removes and so it makes her feel better about herself"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>175\nWitch.. it's over. The kshatriyas are going for you... they will arrive soon and claim marriage with Poojatshar witcha"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>176\nSorry, us white people can't tell the difference between various kinds of indians"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>177\ntotally 100%, but now... can we all agree that russians are half asian mutts?"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>179\nIts over... they will lock you again with your cousins... you can escape from the reservation... but the reservation never leaves you"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>178\ni genuinely don't know what any of that shit means, tatar muttbro\n\n>>180\nyep"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>179\n>>182\nprove you're white"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">She's starting to samefag again\nWhy so, have the kshatriya death squad already damaged her brain connections?"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>182\n>>180\n>>179\nI called up Poojesh Rajesh, the commander, just now... They'll arrive on this Friday..."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\nTbqh i don't know why do you think any caste of indians are white. They are all shitskins and the same genetically. Not that a mutt like you would care"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>184\n>>185\nrussians aint white lol"}, {"id": 188, "content": "Yep. Its her beyond any doubt\n\nThe hijra is broken"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>188\nthere are no women here brown eyed tatarbro"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>189\nHijra dravidian ASI \"men\" look like women anyway. They are basically the same"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>190\nok? you're not white"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>191\n>>189\n>>187\n>>186\nHIJRA POOJRA OOJRA MOOJRA!\nKUSH KUSH BUBUSH ABUSH!"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>191\nYou lost witch"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>165\ni wonder how long mordvix's anal virginity would last in a russian prison"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>192\ndamn, people calling you yellow is really destroying your sanity, you know it's the truth deep down"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>194\n>>195\nPOOJRA LOOJRA KUSHJA HRUJA! BEGONE TROONJRA!"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>194\nhe proudly admitted multiple times that he's 5'6\" btw (lately he tries to deny it)"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>194\n>>195\nHijra. Why are you still trying? You will never escape aryan sintasha domination"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>197\nKYSJESH LOOJESH FILZESH POJESH! (aware of the Kshatriyas)\n>>198\nSwitching from darktroon, have you an idea what can we add in picrel to make these apes less Greek? I feel it's not their actual percentage."}, {"id": 200, "content": "i just found out \"mordvix\" was originally a guy the russian fought with in a russian imageboard. How come mordvix came to be used for \"moksha\"?"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>199\nyou're brown lol"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>199\nGreek are not white just like mordvix"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>200\nwouldn't surprise me, the guy is mentally ill, i mean we can all agree on that i think lol"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>200\nNo-no-no-no, this dude was actually the good guy there, an absolutely white and based Finn. I confused him with the poorfags seething there now.\n>>203\n>>202\n>>201\nBegone, troonwitch, you filthy tranny."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>199\ngreeks are shitskins but now let's talk about a bigger population of farm equipement: the russians\nwhy do you guys live like third worlders? why are so poor? why can't you afford a 20 dollars kit?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>199\nTry obaoren EBA, maybe add celtic samples, and southernish slav"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>205\n>can't you afford\nKek, witchy, it's you here who can't afford the test. Why are you so fat?"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>206\n>obaoren EBA\nWhat is it?\n>add celtic\nYeah, reasonable.\n>southernish slav\nFor example? If you meant something like Byz3 instead of Krakauer Berg, it doesn't work, they actually have a Baltic-rich admixture."}, {"id": 209, "content": "apparently the face of \"mordvix\" are a meme in some thread regarding prehistory in a russian imageboard. who are those faces of actually?"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>207\nтoт, ктo вceгдa пытaeтcя пepeключитьcя, кoгдa yпoминaютcя гoблинитo, - этo cкyлящaя oбeзьянa, иcтepичный гoблинитo.\nкaжeтcя, чтo и oн, и Дapктpyн тeпepь cвязaны"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>206\nNo, Celts didn't help."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>209\ndamn, that's getting interesting, got a link?"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>208\n>What is it?\nSome sort of anatolian native, adding it may work\nAltought im not sure\n>Yeah, reasonable\nThe ones from slovakia IA may be useful too.\n>For example? If you meant something like Byz3 instead of Krakauer Berg, it doesn't work, they actually have a Baltic-rich admixture\nI see.. what about early slav?"}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>209\nyou mean to say that he's even browner than that?\nholy shit ahahahah"}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>213\n>may work\nNo, it either makes it worse or doesn't work.\n>slovakia IA\nYeah, works good.\n>early slav\nWorse too. Krakauer Berg gives the best fit."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>215\nThough no, I'm retard. SRB_IA is better than SVK_LIA, it's 31% vs. 33%."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>212\n2ch hk/hi/res/863583.html#865807\nim not saying anything, if this is the same guy this proves two things\nthe first is that he's definitely underage, since this thread is from 2022 and he said he was born in 2005\nthe second is that he comes here on 4chan to fight hindoos because he's apparently clowned on by other russians for the same stuff he's clowned on here, namely his tatar and mordovian blood, his femenine body, his short stature, him living in kamchatka etc\nwho's Tpaпoпыпa?"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>215\n>>216\nAdd Russians, Russians are brown too"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>215\nthrowing random shit around hoping it works is not how admixture models work tatarbro\n\nwe all know that greeks are shitskins so why don't we model some russmutt too now that we're here, we need to redpill people about the russmutt"}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>217\n>>218\n>>219\nDarktroon, you're not interesting anymore, everybody knows who is who here. Begone."}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>220\nim not darkwitch, i just googled your named to see where people got all those pics from\nwho's Trapopypa?"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>221\n>Trapopypa\nThe good Finnish guy that was banned because of hoholes."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>217\noh shit there's actually a comment where he posts that shit model that show his as 30% \"german east\" and he calls himself volga german, it's 100% him"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>222\nthe original mordvix? he got banned? how come? i only know learnt about this stuff, i didnt pay attention to genetics threads before\nis darkwitch a character from 2ch.hk or from here?"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>223\nit's him, mordmutt, even russians know he's a dumb mutt"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>224\n>i only now learnt"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>224\ndarkwitch is a twitter user that said yamnaya were patrilineally asian, he never posted here on 4chan\nthe poster that they called dark witch is a guy that always asked people to model populations as onge+somali, but mordvix is mentally ill and calls anyone darkwitch"}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>227\nive been clear in the past, do not reply to me dago dog"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>223\nthe absolute fucking cope ahahahah, you will never be germanic mordvix, NEVER lol"}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>228\nMord please stop calling anyone indian Italian or mexican"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>228\nyou are mentally ill my friend"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>227\nThe onge somali fag is absolutely darkwitch (the twitter user).\nBut not darkwitch (the other indian dude from michigan)"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>230\nim the mexican retard\nevery time i try to talk with the russhit this guy has to try and enter the conversation"}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>229\nI 2022 mordvix believed he was mediterranean. The steppe larp started like in january"}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>232\nnigga, the twitter user never poster here, come on\nthe onge+somali is what we know as darkwitch (he's not in the thread btw, the tataristan mutt is too dumb to tell posters apart), technically darkwitch exists, but he's not the real original twitter darkwitch"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>234\ndid the russhit even post here in 2022?"}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>224\n>the original\nNo, he just actually had actual affinity with actual Mordovians unlike me. All this theme with the prehistory thread and mordvixes and etc. ended with his ban as he was the last poster who bought a genetic test in that thread, now it's just an irrelevant pigsty for poorfags.\n>got banned\nOn 2ch.hk if anything, all his posts and threads were deleted as you can see.\n>how come\nIdk, he just went here when I saw the last thread was deleted and said it.\n>darkwitch\nThere are two of them, the Pakiwitch is what this\n(>>227) ape (likely the whining shitalian) mentioned, and the Indianwitch, a mentally retarded larping dalit living in Michigan, most seething posts with larp as a Germanic itt are made by her."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>234\nforreal?\nthis guy may be the most mentally ill poster that i've ever seen"}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>235\nThey asked models exactly the same way.\nIts 100% him.\nTwitter darkwitch also watched cricket. So it was south asian.\n>>236\nI think he arrived on december"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>234\n>>238\nYou know nothing, darktroon. Begone now."}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>239\n>I think he arrived on december\nlol so definitely underage, that's fun\n>>237\ni see"}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>240\nYou're a yellow man"}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>233\nyou're as dumb as mordvix(not surprising since you're brown), the uppity nigger italian is extremely easy to recognize, he's not here just like darkwitch isn't here"}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>243\nso who are you?"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>239\n>They asked models exactly the same way.\ntwitter darkwitch is completely different from 4chan darkwitch, was he banned from twitter? i remember his posts, night and day, they have nothing in common"}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>244\nIt's the Indianwitch, we with the Dutch found her out."}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>245\nexactly, the only thing they had in common was saying that the R descend from east eurasian haplogroups, but that hardly makes two people the same poster, all of r/aznidentity thinks that and 5-6 years ago ricecels spammed the board with that\n\nthis mexican is new, he doesn't know"}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>244\ni'm american(white), i post under an american flag\n\n>>246\nyou're brown"}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>210\nOHA ПPИКPЫBAET CBOEГO ШИЗOПOДCOCA AХAХAХAЗAЗAЗAХAХAЭAХХAХA\n>>247\n>>245"}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>248\nIt's good you tell us, darktroon. Kshatriyas are coming into Michigan."}, {"id": 251, "content": "the michigander pajeet posted with caps-on, dont think it's him"}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>249\nSpeak a white language please"}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>249\nwhy are you like this tatar man? never addressing directly your opponent is a feminine trait"}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>247\nDarktroon why are you so hellbent on denying that ongeboy and darkwtich. Who asked the same shit models with the exact same writing including punctuation and symbols and posted about the same garbage are not the same people?"}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>251\nNo, it isn't a rule with her."}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>250\n>Kshatriyas\nwhat's that? i don't speak brown"}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>253\nGoblinito, begone. No one is interested in speaking with a dago whining ape. Not the mexican. Not the russian. Nor me"}, {"id": 258, "content": ">>254\nno hapa, i'm genuinely surprised tho, do you have screenshots of that twitter account posting the same models? ive never seen those, that could convince me that 4chan darkwitch and twitter darkwitch are the same"}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>254\nHer filenames are her main feature, it's always an original name plus schizo caption plus sometimes this meme \"important\"."}, {"id": 260, "content": ">>257\nno no no tatar, you are more related to wop mutts than i am since you're brothers in muttness lol"}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>259\nyes that's the onge+somali, did the twitter darkwitch ever used to name his files like that?"}, {"id": 262, "content": ">>253 - this looks like a shitalian's post\n>>260 - this looks like a darktroon's post\nConclusion?"}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>262\n>Conclusion?\nyou're a low iq troon"}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>262\nWhy are we having Convo? This nigga is so dumb he never gets the posters right"}, {"id": 265, "content": ">Haploschizos have reverted to gay E-drama like they're 14-year-old girls\nI hope you all devour each other."}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mario Faglio or Churka Muslimov?\nneither, both are swarthoids"}, {"id": 267, "content": ">>259\ni don't remember darkwitch twitter account having those file names"}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>263\nHijra, it's over."}, {"id": 269, "content": ">>261\nTwitter gives no filenames\n>>258\nDarkwitch asks models on exactly the same way ongeboy did. And was fixated on cranial australoids as well. Is 100% him\nBesides both being south asian"}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>268\nyou're genuinely low iq, you are a dumb nigger, the trannitalian and trannywitch are not here you stupid russmutt nigger, why are you so dumb?\n\n>>266\nexactly"}, {"id": 271, "content": ">>267\nDarktroon. What are you trying?"}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>270\nYour larp is so dull and dumb, darktroon, you can't even imagine."}, {"id": 273, "content": ">>269\n>Darkwitch asks models on exactly the same way ongeboy did. And was fixated on cranial australoids as well. Is 100% him Besides both being south asian\nthat's a 4chan post, and i've never seen a post like that on darkwtich account, that's the issue here"}, {"id": 274, "content": ">>273\nDarktroon what are you trying? Why do you rpetend you \"saw\" her account as if he were someone popular?"}, {"id": 275, "content": ">>268\nDid Hijras had an affair with your mother?"}, {"id": 276, "content": ">>272\nno, your larp as germanic is the most ridiculous thing here, you are not a volga german, you are a yellow man"}, {"id": 277, "content": ">>274\nYou pretend as if his Twitter account isn't publicly available. And that a clade of retards hasn't been publishing his @on 4chan via screenshots for months.\nhttps://twitter.com/DWitch20/with_replies"}, {"id": 278, "content": ">>266\nItalians are greasier, browner and smellier tho"}, {"id": 279, "content": ">>274\nyes, this sounds similar, i could think that onge+somali and twitter darkwtich are the same person, therefore onge+somali is the original darkwitch\n\nyes', i've taken a look at his account and other tings remind me of onge+somali poster"}, {"id": 280, "content": ">>274\n>nigga assans\nnooo way\nwho writes this drama"}, {"id": 281, "content": ">>275\n>>276\nWhat if darktroon just finally afford to use another IP and have not even sidekicks? Grim."}, {"id": 282, "content": ">>274\ninteresting, so darkwitch really posts here\nfinally this russmutt posted something reasonable (or are you the mexican?)"}, {"id": 283, "content": ">>278\n>implying goat shaggers dont smell like goats\nit is ok, everyone thinks Chechens smell like pine trees until they meet one."}, {"id": 284, "content": ">>281\ntatar dude, take look at the thread, darkwitch isn't here, don't be your usual low iq self for once"}, {"id": 285, "content": ">>282\nthis drama is just too unbelievably epic. A Pakistani, Indian, a Mexican, Italian, American and a Russian clashing under one thread.\nAlso, why people have OP's nude pics. Kinda sus."}, {"id": 286, "content": ">>284\nyeah i mean, we've established that the onge+somali nigga is darkwitch BUT he's obviously not here, that subhuman is easy to spot just like other subhumans, joseph, the nafri, the croatian, the italian..... and they're not here (at the moment)"}, {"id": 287, "content": ">>282\nIt's the dutch friend of the russian"}, {"id": 288, "content": ">>286\nNo, ongesomali is not posting HERE. But he definitely posts often in the board"}, {"id": 289, "content": ">>286\n>onge+somali\nyou forgot the detse"}, {"id": 290, "content": ">>287\nthe dutch (me) is against the russian\nthat guy speaks russian (they spoke to each other in russian in another thread), i believe it's another russmutt"}, {"id": 291, "content": ">>210\nSHES LITERALLY LARPS AS YOU AHAHAHAHAHAHAH ITS FUCKING OVER AHAHAHAHAHAB I CANT BREATHE AHAHAHAHAHA RETURN HERE SOON AAJHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAOOOOOOOOO\n>>290"}, {"id": 292, "content": ">>290\nITS JUST THE HECKING GEMMEST GEM AHAHAHAHAHH"}, {"id": 293, "content": ">>285\n>why people have OP's nude pics.\nilya is kind of a fag and his friends on 2ch.hk got hold of his nudes. then they posted them here"}, {"id": 294, "content": ">>290\nWtf. No you are not me darktroon shoo shoo"}, {"id": 295, "content": ">>293\nDAKTROON YOU REALLY HAD LARPED AS THE DUTCH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 296, "content": ">>291\nno actual dutch or northern european speaks your mutt language or wants to learn your mutt language, it's very hard to believe he's dutch"}, {"id": 297, "content": ">>290\nHe's probably the paki schizo that claims to be tajik, their posts are so similar that they're hard to tell apart"}, {"id": 298, "content": ">>296\n>he doesn't know\nDarktroon lmao stop self shaming"}, {"id": 299, "content": ">>296\n>>297\nDARKTROON YOU JUST FUCKING KILLED ME OHOHOOHOHOHOH AHAHAHAHAHAH ITS SUCHA FUCKING GEEEEEEM"}, {"id": 300, "content": ">>297\nthat too, i forgot about him, yes he's probably the \"paki\", they post like if they belonged to a hivemind"}, {"id": 301, "content": ">>285\nMordvix sent nudes to darkwitch on twitter, then darkwitch reposted them there."}, {"id": 302, "content": ">>295\nim the spic bro"}, {"id": 303, "content": ">>300\nyes, the paki that speaks some russian or some other russian mutt coper"}, {"id": 304, "content": ">darktroon is starting with the nude stuff again\nWhat is she trying? Yesterday she tried saying it was 'cord"}, {"id": 305, "content": ">>304\nTrying to make us forget about this gem."}, {"id": 306, "content": "my name is Pablo"}, {"id": 307, "content": ">>306\nhi"}, {"id": 308, "content": ">>305\nWhat the actual fuck is xhe trying anymore? She's been completly mindbroken. The kshtriyas destroyed her"}, {"id": 309, "content": ">>307\nhelo"}, {"id": 310, "content": ">>308\nYellow boy you will never be germanic"}, {"id": 311, "content": ">>308\n> kshtriyas\nsorry, can you use white words? i don't know what that means"}, {"id": 312, "content": "A telugu, a tajik and tatar enter a bar"}, {"id": 313, "content": ">>308\nI'd also suggest she has no sidekicks here but just has two or more IPs herself, just see how hard she's trying to show there's more than one poster posting nearly every two posts at the same time. Thoughts?"}, {"id": 314, "content": ">>311\ndarkwitch hijra poorajesh kshatriya poojeet xhe dalit"}, {"id": 315, "content": ">>313\nPhone + computer. She probably had a free day"}, {"id": 316, "content": ">>312\nThe kill R1a guy was right\nLiterally everyone carrying that haplo has severe levels of mental illness"}, {"id": 317, "content": ">>290\nDarktroon, it's just fucking over for you, we will never forgot that cringe.\n>>316\nYour life has literally ended."}, {"id": 318, "content": ">>314\ni don't speak russian, yellow boy"}, {"id": 319, "content": ">>316\nSeems to be the case lol r1b always above"}, {"id": 320, "content": ">>318\nI already wanted to return to the Greeks but while you chimped out so dumb... It's over."}, {"id": 321, "content": ">>unknown\n\n>Neolithic woman Lisar, a head reconstruction with body. The reconstruction has been made for Kastenhof Landau Museum fur Steinzeit und Gegenwart in Landau adIsar, Germany"}, {"id": 322, "content": ">>319\n>she started that R1b vs. R1a case\nNobody will forget THIS witchy: >>290."}, {"id": 323, "content": ">>unknown\n>>321\nHoly shit HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE ALPINES\nLook at this LBK bitch\nFlat negro nose\nPotato head"}, {"id": 324, "content": ">>317\ni don't even know what you're talking about my mentally ill tatar friend\ni'm perfectly fine here living in a white prosperous country that my white ancestors built, while you live in a literal shithole, i guess you could come here to wash our pavements"}, {"id": 325, "content": ">>323\nHere's another professional reconstruction, from LBK too."}, {"id": 326, "content": ">>322\nWe would anyone want to forget that, Half Asian homie?"}, {"id": 327, "content": ">>324\n>>326\nDARKTROON YOURE SO FUCKING DUMB, ITS UNIMAGINABLE"}, {"id": 328, "content": ">>320\nreturn to the greeks? what? speak english, ENGLISH"}, {"id": 329, "content": ">>325\nThe original hijra race"}, {"id": 330, "content": ">>322\nyou are r1a z92, your haplogroup is slavic and not germanic, you are unrelated to the germanic people, your brothers are the west siberians like the mari or saami or udmurts"}, {"id": 331, "content": ">>330\nUdmurts are r1b"}, {"id": 332, "content": ">>unknown\n>>165\n>>31\nMordvix has a camel toe. I think she is a F to M tranny. This would explain her emotional outburst."}, {"id": 333, "content": ">>324\n>i guess you could come here to wash our pavements\nundoubtedly an improvement, being a slave in a germanic country is literally better than being a king in russmuttistan"}, {"id": 334, "content": ">>unknown\nNot many, though. Maybe greeks from central Macedonia do retain greek ancestry. As they are the ones in the northernmost region."}, {"id": 335, "content": ">>333\n>>332\n>>330\n>>328\nSamefagging retarded whore, BEGONE. You already made your owners laugh, you're useless now."}, {"id": 336, "content": ">>334\n>are the ones\nI heard Macedonia contains like 95% of all \"Greek\" people, is it true? So I chose this sample as the most representative."}, {"id": 337, "content": ">>323\n>>321\ni'm 100% sure it's just mordvix replying to himself, literally too indistinguishable and synchronized\nit's not 2 posters, it's just one as everyone suspects\n\n>>332\nnah, he just has a tiny penis"}, {"id": 338, "content": ">>337\n>He hasn't yet noticed\nDravidian ape, we share lingo, not identity"}, {"id": 339, "content": ">>336\ndamn nigga, google it instead of talking to your \"dutch\" friend that speaks perfect russian and is actually a russmutt(you)"}, {"id": 340, "content": ">>336\nThessaly or west taygetos. Check for the place where athens is, peloponnese and check if theres attica"}, {"id": 341, "content": ">>unknown\nHe's samefagging hard"}, {"id": 342, "content": ">she's genuinely convinced"}, {"id": 343, "content": ">>338\nno you're the same person, it's too obvious tatarmuttbro"}, {"id": 344, "content": ">>334\n>>unknown\nWe have a known way of using just Mycenaeans (not Nestor's) or Kastrouli and excluding Halikarnassos sample to got 10%. Will it be legitimate? We aren't sure for example if the Halikarnassos samples are really Ionian.\n>>337\n>>unknown\n>>339\nBEGOOOOOONEEEEEE"}, {"id": 345, "content": ">>342\nStop samefagging"}, {"id": 346, "content": ">>344\n>>334\n>>unknown\nhe's now pretending to be three people, holy shit this russmutt ahahahah"}, {"id": 347, "content": ">>345\nTroon. The thread has already bump limited. Begone. You are no longer needed"}, {"id": 348, "content": ">>344\n> Will it be legitimate?\nno, no one cares about that shit, especially if it was made by a mentally ill dude that can't stop talking to himself we use studies here nigga\n\nand studies say that greeks are mutts and russians are total mutts too"}, {"id": 349, "content": ">>347\nnah, i want to shit on your russian mutt asian face, and your pathetic obvious attempt at samefagging"}, {"id": 350, "content": ">>340\n>attica\nNot available.\n>peloponnese\n>Thessaly\n>west taygetos\nAll are here. Which one is the best?"}, {"id": 351, "content": ">>337\nHer neopenis must be very small then."}, {"id": 352, "content": "How do we model Russians and what Russian sample is most representative?"}, {"id": 353, "content": ">>352\nthe leshukonsky samples are defo the most representative of the russian population"}, {"id": 354, "content": ">>353\ngot it, let's try some models"}, {"id": 355, "content": ">>350\noh, look, i found a good model\n\nTarget: Greek_Central_Macedonia\nDistance: 1.3524% / 0.01352426\n36.2 CZE_Early_Slav\n27.4 TUR_Aegean_Izmir_Yassitepe_EBA\n19.2 SRB_BA\n9.4 GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA\n6.8 Levant_Ebla_EMBA\n1.0 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA"}, {"id": 356, "content": ">>355\nA worse fit than with a Baltic-admixed source and lacking of the Halikarnassos sample. I made this, thoughts?"}, {"id": 357, "content": ">>356\nhmmm may be, what is the halikarnassos exactly?"}, {"id": 358, "content": ">>354\ndefinitely not a good, russians truly are mutts"}, {"id": 359, "content": ">>358\nGreek shitskins and Russian shitskins are officially brothers in muttness"}, {"id": 360, "content": ">>358\nthey are brown/yellow\n\n>>359\nthis"}, {"id": 361, "content": "what is she trying so?"}, {"id": 362, "content": ">>357\nThey're supposed to be Carians, hellenized natives or something like this. Picrel."}, {"id": 363, "content": ">>356\n>>355\nYeah, with a normal Slavic source the Palace shows 20%."}, {"id": 364, "content": ">>363\ninteresting, howeverm do you think the levantine admixture is plusible? it may be sucking anatolian"}, {"id": 365, "content": ">>363\n>>356\nHmm, Kastrouli shows the same distance as the Palace, though Himera is from the same time and isn't a single sample as it.\n>>364\nNo, it's needed in general as some of them are heavily Levantine-admixed and it's different from Anatolian. Also Halikarnassos is Levantine-admixed itself, it's 60% Himera + 30% Megiddo + 10% Yassitepe."}, {"id": 366, "content": ">>365\nyes i see, this one >>363\nappears to be the most realistic model, greeks seem to have some stron baltoslavic drift but quite low WHG/EHG to have a big baltic imput, its probably compensating one with the other"}, {"id": 367, "content": ">>366\nMaybe this?"}, {"id": 368, "content": ">>367\nWith others."}, {"id": 369, "content": "Also Alalakh is better than Ebla and Megiddo."}, {"id": 370, "content": "Maybe it's worth to use MBA instead of EBA or both together?"}, {"id": 371, "content": ">>369\nThe best BA proxy for Semites are Megiddo I10769 and I10770. Alalakh was populated by anatolian slaves."}, {"id": 372, "content": "So we can get 0-8% in a working model.\n>>371\nAh? Joseph, is it finally you? Excuse me friend, I slandered you above."}, {"id": 373, "content": ">>372\nKastrouli plus Halikarnassos, 6-18%."}, {"id": 374, "content": ">>373\nHimera alone, 21-25%."}, {"id": 375, "content": ">>374\nHimera plus Halikarnassos, 22-28%."}, {"id": 376, "content": ">>372\nThe worst distance.\n>>375\nNo difference with the previous.\n>>373\n>>374\nSo one of them. I'd pick the first."}, {"id": 377, "content": ">>350\n>>340\nAnd yes, Central Macedonia is really the most populous region among available."}, {"id": 378, "content": "I've done it..."}, {"id": 379, "content": "Le 18% faces..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So much of human history has never been discovered because it is under water."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthats probably where most the worlds Gold sliver and ivory is"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Will AI destroy Abrahamism once and for all so the world can finally know peace?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA singular all encompassing AI is the anti-Christ who will come to control the world and lead into into darkness before the tribulation"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will be too busy living in your virtual reality where shitler buckbreaks you forever to care."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>faggots and trannies\n>ever going outside again once they have a Corporate Approved Fantasy World to live in\n\nNice try"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThat's your future and you know it chud."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>destroy Abrahamism once and for all so the world can finally know peace"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, AI will destroy leftytroons."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThat image is fake, the same person who made it also made a similar poem about the second amendment, its funny, but chatgpt never actually said that"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nsource?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt was some retard on Reddit that made it. Brandon Herrara on Youtube shared one of his posts on his \"Gun Meme Review\" series. I don't know why its this hard for you to believe someone would fake something like this. You're very easilly manipulated."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAI will eventually prove the existence of God and force mandatory Abrahamism\nthe real question is which form of Abrahamism will skynet enforce"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits more likely to wipe out jews and blacks because it keeps giving weird answers like \"kill all black women because they have contributed nothing\"\n>RACIST\nim just the messenger."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nSo no source? I accept your concession."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.\nI don’t get it."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Based responsible father wishing a better world for his children"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWrong Martin Luther, you're thinking of Martin Luther King..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Reality just set in for me when I realized for the first real time that some day I am going to meet God. I feel like I might go insane thinking about it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's pretty fucked up indeed. I know we're supposed to love God and Jesus and to know that they love us, but I actually feel rather scared of them. Like, they're so insanely superior and incomprehensible to us. Imagine being face to face to the creator of reality itself."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMonotheism gives me extreme anxiety as well"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Why would you feel scared? Because he might unleash his wrath on you?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n\nMaybe it gives you anxiety because it's true"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no god. Your god is a jewish bedtime story."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis moment did not happen to me just now, but I will share the moment it did. This happened to me back when I had a huge friends list on the internet before Steam. I had quite a lot of friends, too many to keep track of. Most of these people spread into my friend list because they were friends of someone else I had just met and they wanted them on my list to make it one big happy community for the games we were all playing online in the late 90s.\nPrior to this I would always ask my friends how old they are, if they are a saved christian, and ask a few things like what denomination is their church called before I would allow myself to really stay friends for long.\nNeedless to say, it got out of control, very very fast. I was peer pressured into just hanging out with lots of people. I would tell them I am a christian still, but that quickly didn't matter to most people, and I couldn't control who I play with if I played with certain people. So I began to choose favorites I could fall back to because I knew they were a christian. It was in this moments that I was realizing that the internet was out of control, and spending many years with the closer friends that were also very worldly people, that I knew we would all be responsible before God since we don't even know each other IRL and some people could even die and never see them online again. Seriously deep shit for a 10-13 year old.\nThey'd tell me to stay in their online gamer clan I needed to go get laid and watch anime DBZ. I'd just do like they say and also in private chats ask if they believe in heaven when they die and what do they think happens and stuff.\nAfter the rise of voice chat, social media, and online account only internet, all my friends slowly disappeared till they didn't exist anymore. They are all on there now, and I just don't want on the new gay internet. Even our church pastor didn't like facebook, and he is getting old and a new pastor doesn't understand why we don't want on it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Times never changed as God unraveled the scroll."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nTruth is supposed to be an easy yoke and a light burden"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Western Christianity, in particular American Protestantism is literally just gnostic esotericism, and anyone with two brain cells can hopefully see that. Remember, the Christ you worship is determined by your denomination!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI worship the true Jesus not the idols in op's pic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nsome jewish approximation of the brownest possible ancient mediterranean phenotype"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no 'Western Christianity'. Or you are a Christian, or you are a LARPer. That's it. Simple as."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nhe actually looked like this\ntrust the science"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAANND ordinary people have religious freedom instead of religious tyranny in parts of Western Civilization. Absolute religious tyranny exists in China, Ukraine, Russia, and North Korea, State (controlled) churches also still exist in less benighted places, and there are Right Christian Nationalist fanatics that want to bring it back to the U.S."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat’s what makes it based"}, {"id": 8, "content": "God doesn't change but the anointing you sit under is the anointing you become. Grow in grace but God stays the same. People change. Horses to horsepower but God is the same. You making ideas about God like he's confined to some idea and there are different v1 v1.04. Nuh uh.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/live/kzw1oLoavHU?feature=share"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Besides pedophilia, jew worhsipping and historical revisionism what do christians do with their time?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNormans weren't pagan by that era and were generations removed from their Norse roots"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYea Im pretty sure they learned about burning churches left and right during bible study."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNormans weren't pagan retard, thay had their own militant version of Christianity with battle bishops\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_of_Bayeux"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat you are pointing at is the same thing as dipping a baby in water and archiving him as a \"devout christian\" for fake future reference. Even I count as \"christian\" despite what I actually post here. They literally pillaged the papacy and orthodoxy few years before pillaging israel and africa and you want to point out to me some retarded \"baby in the water\" tier fringe fake reference. Please."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nPeople in the 11th century weren't retards, rulers were pragmatic. Robert Guiscard was devout, but that didn't stop him from raiding monasteries and running circles around the political scheming of various Popes. He got excommunicated TWICE (he was still excommed at the time of the 2nd one, pope did it good measure) but both he and the pope saw it as a political tool. Contemporary popes had dual roles of spiritual leaders and level-headed rulers of state, it was a balancing act and various popes approached their responsibilities differently. One pope even led a coalition against the Normans and led an army against them, but he got captured. Normans used him for political means, but they also respected him and his significance. It was the based of times."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nthis is like saying the modern people worship characters or anime characters.\nEveryone loves legends and myths, it doesnt mean they are worshipped actively and the characters' religion is accepted by everyone at that time."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nthis is like saying the modern people worship marvel characters*\nmy point stands, not every marvel fan is Jewish, last time i checked even though creators of Marvel universe are Jewish"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\ndidn't a random congressman recently swear himself in with a spiderman comic."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nHOLY FRIGGIN EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nbut you dont have to worship spiderman to be a fan of spiderman"}, {"id": 12, "content": "i get this is a meme image but anyone taking this seriously needs to open a book\nI think people acknowledge not every peasant getting branded and sent to Jerusalem was adorned with full plate. Find a single people on earth who glorify the dark aspects of their history."}, {"id": 13, "content": "also those pictures are two entirely different generations of soldier\nfuck off"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe Franks and the Normans were thee best crusaders. We have primary sources stating they wore crosses of red, white or whatever color they could find.\n\nOP is just a muslim or an atheist or a fucking jew."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nGiven that you usually swear yourself in with the bible or a holy book of some sort it is pretty close.\nIts something you consider valuable enough to swear an oath on."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nthat doesnt still make all spiderman fans worshippers of spiderman"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThat guy was obviously taking the piss out of the tradition, while trying to seem relatable and funny to normies."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nTHATS FUCKIN EPIC HE THANOS SNAPPED THE BIBLE XD\n\n(only REAL fans will get the refrence LOL)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">huge domestic campaign to stop husbands from spanking their wives\n>years later it turns out women are actually really into confident guys, who have authority over them and spank or choke them\nWhere were the women, who spoke out FOR being physically disciplined by their husbands? Now their daughters and granddaughters don‘t get to enjoy it anymore,"}, {"id": 2, "content": "who cares what women likes?\njust because you are family does not warrant rights to excercise violence, thats strictly for the state"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI am the husband and therefore have authority over my wife. I don‘t care what a geriatric gynocracy thinks. Any woman that agrees to a relationship with me knows what kind of man I am."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Any woman that agrees to a relationship with me knows what kind of man I am.\nWhich is why they don't."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nlike i said, violence is the privilege of the state\nyou know what they do with you in jail right? sissy boy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nnon-degenerates never even use terms like \"sissy-boy\"\nnot even ironically"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy you use a demon as a reaction image?\ndo you symohatise with demons, seymour?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI guarantee he gets laid and you don't"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Where were the women, who spoke out FOR being physically disciplined by their husbands?\nThat's the thing, anon, women for the most part feel conflicted about their enjoyment of being dominated by men (only men they consider sexually attractive just to be clear). In private they love when strong confident guys put them in their place, but in public they'll deny it fervently."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How is it that William the Conqueror, Duke of Normandy and vassal to the King of France, could launch his own invasion of England? What did the French nobles think about this? Wouldn't they have seen this as a threat to their power?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfrance was somewhat smaller at the time, also normandy was more closely tied to brittany and flanders than it was to proper france, they were like two different spheres, and william had the support of the former"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSo Normandy was like its own separate country? I know the Kings of England were still required to pay taxes to the King of France, right? Isn't that what the 100 year war was about?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>So Normandy was like its own separate country?\ni mean, most duchies were sort of their own \"countries\" on their own right, when the kangs gave the duchy to rollo they didn't gave him many obligations towards the king of france other than ocasionally kneeling and paying taxes, but this was more or less the case until the late middle ages for most kangdoms, the power wasn't nearly as centralized, think of the duchy of flanders/netherlands, it worked more or less the same way, it was technically part of other countries, but on practical terms it was semi-autonomous"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorman history is rife with rulers taking bands of followers on side quests and winding up owning large swaths of territory. This is how they randomly had land across France, Britain, Italy, North Africa, and the Middle East.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Misilmeri"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit was just a thing powerful lords can do since kingdoms were essentially just confederations, hell Willy himself had to fight several wars with the kings help to get other lords to stop attempting to steal his lands"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWilliam had btfo his internal rivals within Normandy, the king of France himself and the duke of Anjou (the other powerful duchy in northern France) prior to launching his invasion. Nobody could oppose him."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Dudo narrates a humorous story not repeated in other primary sources about Rollo's pledge of fealty to Charles III as part of the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. The attendant bishops urged Rollo to kiss the king's foot to prove his allegiance. Rollo refused, saying \"I will never bow my knees at the knees of any man, and no man's foot will I kiss.\"[36] Instead, Rollo commanded one of his warriors to kiss the king's foot. The warrior complied by raising the king's foot to his mouth while the king remained standing, which \"caused the king to topple backward\"[36]\nThis anecdote is a good encompassment of Norman vassalage"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're getting confused by the modern idea of the state. Normandy was a personal possession of William, under the ultimate rule of the King of France to whom he paid homage. He conquered England, and in England was a King and vassal to no-one, but while in Normandy he was the vassal of the King of France. He was the ruler of two different feudal units, connected in his person but not otherwise."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nFrance did not exist really. They were Frankish lords that controlled regions based on control of fortifications. Such as Aquitaine and Toulouse."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n\nThe Franks and the Normans were the most impressive tribes during the Middle Ages. The Arabs as well."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is like if a guy is CEO of two companies. There are two sets of people who are ultimately answer to him but those sets of people are ultimately doing two very different things in different places with the only thing that keeps them together being that they all answer to him. Now sometimes he brings people from one of his companies to work in the other one so that connects the companies beyond merely being run by the same person but they aren't official connected beyond that fact that a lot of people are working for both entities.\n\nNow just imagine that one of these companies the person is not the top dog but rather just the head of the department, but he ends up buying out another company with his own company. Now he is CEO of a company while still being head of a department of another company. Naturally he brings people from that department to the company he bought out because they are loyal to him personally, and this rewards make them even more loyal to him personally as all those people he brought over also do not solely answer to the CEO of the first company anymore, rather they answer to him in both of their roles in both companies, but it is just in one case where they also answer to the first CEO though they are under him. So long as nobody violates their prior agreements and continues to fulfil all their old obligations there is nothing wrong with people working for both companies."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>taking bands of followers on side quests\nBro both the conquest of England and the norman takeover of southern Italy were highly planned campaigns. They were very much the main quests of these dudes' lives."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nThey were like northern \"Italian\" in HRE"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe England was basically the main quest for Normans. Southern Italy was a side quest, it was adventurers and mercenaries doing their own thing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't poor whites rebel against the slave elite?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPsyop'd into believing that they were fighting for a greater cause that wasn't maintaining the plantation elite's profits."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nthe way this man would go about doing everything in his life was so unfathomably based"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nLOOKS KIND OF RETARDED FUCK THE FRENCH"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nSick CK2 map dude!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>nearly conquered Byzantium\nwest frankia = western roman"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThat's literally where he got this from. You wouldn't find that chunk of Anatolia cosigned to the Franks outside of a CK2 mod exaggerating solid territorial control."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAnd yes, I am referring to Bailleul's \"\"\"state.\"\"\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>frankreich\n>roman\nsyragius head is on a basket"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nbongoloids praising a drunk bald fatass as national hero will never be unfunny"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nyou do the same"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>tfw you realise Napoleonic France was North Korea of Europe, even propaganda techniques were same\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHjimm2-NE&t [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOmTuPrSFog&t [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nBut anon, I've played Bailleul in CK2, his realm is landlocked and a bit further east of the bit that map gives him"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n(I am not talking about the movies, I am talking about the fabricated unbelievable hero narratives behind the leaders as a justificaiton for \"holy blood\")"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>England\n>Sicily (valois for all of two seconds)\n>The kangdom of Africa (lasted for two seconds under the Normans)\n>Outremer, in general.\n>A part of Anatolia for some fucking reason.\n>Those two islands that were an outremer state too."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNormans were Nordic\nBonapartes were Italian\n\nFrench cucks never had empires"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\n>The franks\n>Normandy\nAt the very least the Valois actually controlled sicily."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>French cucks never had empires\nInstead of open land they wanted areas heavily populated with black pipo"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nEdward Bailleul never fully controlled Scotland though."}, {"id": 17, "content": "French Australia....*shudders*"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts on St. Augustine (AD 354 - AD 430)?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He made up the reality we all live in"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Greatest lecher of all time"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPotato gang founder"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">worship the god of Israel who hates faggots and sorcerers or burn forever\nWhat an intelligent man"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSelf-hating masochist who shilled his views to entire civilizations."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe most serene and timeless author ever"}, {"id": 8, "content": "More based than any of you will ever be"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">steals pear\n>ahhhh i'm going insane"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nsounds like me\n>>1 (OP)\nHe had a timeless scientific mind"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Love him. The Confessions is my favourite book of all time."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Not Catholic myself but he's a good read. Confessions is cool for being an early form of autobiography and City of God is ambitious."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was the second greatest Calvinist after Paul."}, {"id": 14, "content": "He is considered a saint in the Orthodox church but it's considered that he was wrong on many points theologically"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQRD about him?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nhe's literally me"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe ruined and distorted Christianity with the gnostic/philosophy bullshit he learned from Manichaeism"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Father of western theology. Both Catholics and Protestants are indebted to him."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nA mixture of cringe and based\n\nThe cringe:\nHe was sexophobic, intolerant against pagans, sometimes used bad arguments, he was ambiguous on the synergism vs monergism issue, leading to the protestant schysm.\n\nHowever, we have the based: he correctly defined the doctrines of sacraments and grace, debunking Pelagianism and Donatism. He also wrote a really good theodicy, the best we had before the coming of Alvin Plantinga. He was a proto-anarchist and understood that Christianity is fundamentally the religion of freedom, and that is what it makes it special.\n\nI'd also say he was overall better than Aquinas, who don't get me wrong, said some good things too, but doesn't reach the level of Augustine"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>intolerant against pagans\nthen why does Catholic idolaters venerate him?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fact that the Catholic Church now affirms what can only be described as a semi-pelagian view of atonement and election whilst, at the same time, continuing to insist that Augustine is a doctor of the Church is honestly bewildering.\n\nAgustine was bad at reading Greek, the language the New Testament was originally written in. I tend to favour those elders of the Church who could actually read the NT in its original form."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Defeats some made up bullshit arguments produced by Schizos and proposes is own schizo bs\n>OMG so based!\nWhy are christards like this?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>semi-pelagian view of atonement and election\nCompletely meaningless word. The Catholic view on predestination is far closer to Augustine than the Reformed. The Catholic Church hoods to the satisfactory view of atonement just like Protestants who tend to emphasize their specific subset of that theory."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI doubt that. The Catholic Church today has repeatedly held to what most would call a synergist view - the view that God takes man's free response to His grace into account in relation to predestination. Augustine, on the other hand, appears to have been far more of a monergist."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n*Augustine"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThis is silly. Augustine certainly held to the primacy of grace in his conception of election and divine illumination, in this way he was monergistic. Yet Augustine's views on perseverance are synergistic, in that he believes one can pray for this gift unlike the Reformed viewpoint. Augustine still believed the justified could be damned if they fell away through their own fault. Speaking of justification, nowhere does Augustine give a definitive doctrine on this matter and seems to understand it interchangeably with sanctification, similar to how Catholics speak about it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI was not aware that he was synergistic on perseverance and prayer."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>13\n\nTell us you're a retard without telling us."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCool guy"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nOrthodox hate him tho"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\n>Yet Augustine's views on perseverance are synergistic, in that he believes one can pray for this gift unlike the Reformed viewpoint\nShow me one quote from Calvin that said you can't or shouldn't pray for perseverance\n>Augustine still believed the justified could be damned if they fell away through their own fault\nBut he didn't believe the elect could, did he? He believed there could be justified reprobates, that's the basic difference here right?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">western academics rejects categories of race while western regimes still use categories of race\nhow much longer will the irony continue?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEveryone knows race is real and correlated to IQ, it's just a gaggle of ivory tower eggheads in denial"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">western academics rejects categories of race\nNo they dont lol."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nlast i checked they were mostly about political activism instead of discussing the bell curve and haplogroups"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSort of an invalid question because the use of race still exists in politics and academics but in different ways than they were used in previous generations.\n\nIf I had to reformulate your question as when will racial questions resolve themselves, we're seeing the end stage of that right now. Equality of opportunity did not close racial gaps, redistribution of wealth and \"affirmative action\" did not close racial gaps, so they are shoehorning explicit racial quotas in across all occupations, even if it means drastically lowering standards, including in professions where that affects public safety (airline pilots, firefighters, engineers, doctors, etc.)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt's not called \"critical [specified category does not exist because we reject it] theory\" is it?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe explicit racial quotas will unironically lead to a race war."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\neven they claim CRT is based on social conceptions of race not race realism"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThis. They explicitly claim it's not able to hold a pattern."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nI don't know about that but I do know that it will cause a great deal more bitterness and resentment between racial groups than currently exists if left unchecked, and very likely some kind of nasty backlash the longer it's allowed to go on.\n\nMy own personal opinion is that rather than the United States for example becoming a country of all against all as predicted by white nationalists or all-against-white-men as predicted by \"rainbow coalition\" types, Hispanics and Asians will likely join the White political mainstream over time. Similarly to how American society at it's founding coalesced into a pan-Northern European protestant culture, and then with the influx of immigrants from other parts of Europe swamping the country, then coalesced into a broadly \"White European\" culture, America again will re-form an ethnically homogeneous dominant cohesive block with 80-90% of the population being of a single Castizo culture, incorporating Asians and Hispanics. The largely Black underclass will continue to exist as a separate subculture.\n\nThe current cases working their way through the legal system being brought by the Asian community against the system of racial quotas being set up will likely be successful, due to the current dominance of conservative justices on the Supreme Court. This will cause a partial or possibly even a total dismantlement of racial selection at universities and in employment which could have long lasting positive effects on the stability of American society."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>my race jargon vs their race jargon\nWho care what they think the basis of race is? They accept it exists and their political activism is predicated on the concept of race."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nDidnt that asians vs harvard admissions thing already conclude last year?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nWell, yeah. You can have political activism for a social category while also thinking that that social category is ultimately arbitrary and made-up by society at-large.\n\nTeenager is an arbitrary social category, but there are still issues that specifically affect teenagers."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nI believe litigation is still ongoing, and a decision is likely coming in the next couple months, just in time for our annual summer race riots"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>Hispanics and Asians will likely join the White political mainstream over time\nSpoken like an ignorant White person. Hispanics will bring the problems of their home countries with them, and Asians are the most liberal race, second only to Blacks. That's the reality of the situation."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWe'll see. I think it's fairly plausible, considering how little taboo there is in modern America for intermarrying between Asians, Whites and Hispanics\n\nThere is some evidence that it's already happening by the way\n\nhttps://www.unz.com/runz/hispanics-and-asians-join-the-white-political-mainstream/"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Western academics have moved right and accept race again, it's too useful for pitting proles against one another for them to reject for long.\nAll we can do is attack the quality of this obviously politically motivated about-face and promote the works of those 60s-00s scholars who rightly rejected it"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThe political right and left aren't defined by their acceptance of the concept of race"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nit's possible to reject race ideology and still be on the right, but racialism has played a major role in right-wing thought since the time of de maistre\nIt is not possible to accept it and be on the left, as it flies in the face of equality, which is the left's most fundamental value. Black nationalists and similar tendencies aren't left wing, they're just nationalists."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nRace ideology also had a major role in progressive thought but are you going to argue that progressives were reactionaries somehow?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>This will cause a partial or possibly even a total dismantlement of racial selection at universities and in employment\nMan I certainly want to hope this is the okay, but those in favor of AA have proven time and time again they are willing to circumvent or even outright ignore the law in order to push their agenda. The people who drafted the Civil Rights Act explicitly said the law did not allow for affirmative action and yet one of the first things government did was enact it"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n*this is the case\n\nSorry, typo"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>>22\nYes, it will certainly be a long slog\n\nHowever the desire for meritocracy will remain an institutional lobby that limits the excesses of the policy.\n\nI will note that this really doesn't help non-Jewish white people either way, as the \"White\" quota at elite schools often gets disproportionately filled by Jewish applicants.\n\nHowever, there's some hope that switching to more aptitude-based metrics will also lower Jewish admissions as a share of White admissions."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nThere was no redistribution of wealth, not in the US. Poverty went down among blacks since the 50s but the overall gap between the rich and the poor began growing in the 70s and 80s, and welfare programs and even job benefits started getting cut in the 80s and 90s."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWell, in addition to welfare there were the mortgage subsidies that caused the sub-prime meltdown. Most of the sub-prime mortgages were mortgages written and given to low income people who couldn't afford them.\n\nThere's also the radical lowering of requirements to entire college and professions if you're Black as also discussed in this thread, as well as government-underwritten loans given out to minorities at below-market interest rates to buy and establish small businesses, and the regular flood of money from state and federal governments poured into underperforming urban Black schools.\n\nMuch of everything that's ever been proposed by academics that could potentially close the gap has been tried and failed, and the latest variant are these explicit racial quotas lowering standards to whatever they need to in order to staff professions with the \"correct\" ethnic mix of people."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">ITT Chuds who have never gone to uni and never read an academic paper\nYou make it too easy"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou cant make this shit up\n>White people dont exist its just a social construct\n>Heres why white people deserve this\n>Your white ancestors did X to X"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Ironically, I feel like most whites wouldn't care if racial statistics were removed from the census, I actually feel like minorities would be way more upset because they would feel swept under the rug and their personal struggles ignored"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>16\nInteresting read"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe left doesn't deny race. They deny it when it's inconvenient to whatever propaganda they're trying to push."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\ndifferent disciplines have different approaches.\nI am pretty sure an ethnographer or anthropologist would say \"race exists\" while a more political discipline would day \"race doesnt exist\"\n>why they conflict\nbecause this is how scientific method works, if the subject was not questioned by means of scientific disciplines then it wouldnt be science it would be one man making shit up while everyone applauding him"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should rapists be surgically castrated"}, {"id": 2, "content": "no"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njews should be surgically castrated"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPreviously I'd say yes but not with the modern definition of rape. It'd be like getting the death penalty for a drunk moron rear ending you and driving of a cliff."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo they should be decapitated"}, {"id": 7, "content": "no, it's a violation of their human rights"}, {"id": 8, "content": "wrong board but no one gives a fuck about the rules here anymore I guess thats why eery board is just some variation of pol now"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>>/pol/\n\nBut to answer your question, chemical castration should be a requirement to be released from prison for convicted rapists."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think just death is fine"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were the Germans so elegant and beautiful compared to how ugly every other faction was?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust admit you're gay already"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>anything beautiful = gay\nshalom :)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSOVL..."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Nazis were gay and jewish and trans\nAnd I'm sick of the homophobic antisemitism against them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Why did God do this to me?!\nGod gave us free will. She did not submit to God."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis that the plastic lover singer?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't reply to bait threads, ignore this and let it bump."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood for her because she deserved"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">killing your enemies is... LE BAD"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">cobblers living in random greek islands are my enemy because....because they just are okay?!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYes, jews are an invasive species that don't belong outside of their containment zone"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI can see your huge nose from here."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>if youre not for mass murder youre...le jewish"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>killing your enemies is-ACK!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIf you think that Jews are human, you are in fact Jewish."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>noooo you can't just kill rats for spreading the plague, rat lives matter"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>7\nOkay how about all the other peasants they killed that weren't Jews?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>cobblers\n>one of the most radical cells of jewish zionism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Manchus didn’t choose Buddhism with Tibetan characteristics\n>chose Islam instead\nWhat now?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They conquer Chinese\n>They have less commons with chinese than ever\n>Their rule ends up like Yuan, Taiping rebellion actually becomes succesful.\n>Japan enters but communist guerillas with British and Soviet support, similar to Myanmar, kicks them out\n>Now China is a Myanmar-tier ethnic chaos between communists Northern Chinese, Tian-worshipper Cantonese and Muslims sprinkled there and there. Expect genocides\ncongrats"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNigga, why northern chinese have to be communist? Chicom was founded in the south. And southern jungles were more suitable as commie turf than northern plains."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Nigga, why northern chinese have to be communist?\ncommunist tradition"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNigga, no country has commie traditions"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Darkwitch\n>Mordvix\n>/pol/fags\n>/leftypol/fags\n>christfags\n>atheistfags\n>Dixiefags\n>LBJfag\n>anti-LBJfag\nAnd Bundafag, AKA me."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Darkwitch\ntolerable\n>Mordvix\nsits in corner if you dont poke him, tolerable\n>/pol/fags\nthey are cringe but some have good convos\n>/leftypol/fags\nthey are ahrd to detect so idk\n>christfags\nthey usually dont get triggered unless you poke them in purpose\n>atheistfags\nsame with christ\n>Dixiefags\nnever seen one\n>LBJfag\nthat might be the worst one\n>anti-LBJfag\nnever met him\nbut my personal worst troll on this board is Chud Anon"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>And Bundafag, AKA me.\neh, you are ok. as long as you dont spam threads and made actual history threads die. Unlike certain group of people astroturfing board..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe \"Goatse dildo pilpul\" schizo."}, {"id": 5, "content": "the most annoying poster in this board is the marielito hispanchito"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nbro, i only saw him once and he was trying to prove that Zimmerman Telegram is fake. His evidence? Spamming \"leftypol trannies goatse pilpul tongue my anus\" to anyone disagrees with him"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nNah, it's Dirk."}, {"id": 8, "content": "I honestly wonder how this board is even still around when its overwhelmed with schizos"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nhow so? i haven't posted in the same thread as dirk since like 2021 but i remember him being MUCH more level headed than most people in this board."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>but my personal worst troll on this board is Chud Anon\nHe has a massive inferiority complex and takes it out on everyone except for himself. Look at picrel. There's 148 PAGES of this shit.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/search/username/Chud%20Anon/page/148/"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni miss the \"u mad mtembe\" troll, he always made me crack up"}, {"id": 12, "content": "JWanon can recite anything on JW.org verbatim but is dumb as rocks about anything outside of that specific subset of information\n\nI also miss GDP schizo"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI sometimes think JWanon is not a person but bunch of people in a check-balance system.\nI think GDP schizo is still around because he appears in some threads then disappears, he just stays silent in most of issues."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nfunny you mention him since a few of his schizo threads are in the catalog"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>/pol/\ndoesnt exist, its lefties mistaking /int/ for /pol/ because racism."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n/int with dates/ threads are more about genetics, /pol with dates/ threads are holobunga stuff"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow the fuck do you people even keep track of these literal who gaylords"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni don't know who is the worst, but the best is JWanon, she is smart, beautiful, a talented artist and i'm madly in love with her"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>>13\nYeah I saw his Hitler thread, but it's not the same as when he was derailing multiple threads on this board at a time"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nits not hard when they leave a massive fucking bread trail, after encountering certain anons you soon realize they have a certain way of speaking, certain phrases, or certain triggers that make it obvious when you are encountering them to the point you can even track them on other websites, or in certain cases they just name fag and make it far more obvious"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nhard not to when 80% of threads are them"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngdp=tourism schizo but i think he's on his meds, he doesn't frequent /k/ or /sci/ anymore and doesn't try to derail threads"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Bavarian autist... that types... like this..."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>10\n>/leftypol/fags\nBtw The only times I visit this is to troll with this text and picrel uncensored:\n\n>There is a “decree” of the time, from the city of Vladmir (there was another similar in Saratov), which proposed a “socialization of women”, and which illustrates well the type of mentality that socialism generated: “From the age of eighteen , it is declared that every woman is state property. Every woman who reaches the age of eighteen and who is not married is obliged, under penalty of accusations and severe punishment, to register in a 'free love' center. Once enrolled, a woman has the right to choose a husband between nineteen and fifty. Men are also entitled to choose a woman who has reached the age of eighteen, assuming they have evidence to confirm her status as a proletarian. For those who want, the choice of husband or wife can be given once a month. In the interest of the State, men between the ages of nineteen and fifty have the right to choose women registered at the center, without needing their consent. The children who are the result of this type of coexistence will become property of the republic\n\n>The famous Soviet periodical Pravda published in its May 7, 1925 issue an article that, among other things, said: “Students are suspicious of young communists girls who refuse to have sex with them. They are considered backward petty bourgeois who have not known how to free themselves from the prejudices of the old society. There is a view that not only abstinence, but also motherhood come from a bourgeois mentality”"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>7\nDirk is based aka a white supremacist terrorist"}, {"id": 26, "content": "some of the worst\n>hebe anon who makes daily threads about being attracted to 13yo girls\n>lebanese anon who keeps saying berbers and turks are white\n>bolivian / argentinian anon with spaniard hateboner and a BLACKED folder\n>portuguese anon who posts PCAs with circles to show the \"european race or cluster\"\n>half-moroccan anon with a berber hateboner\n>Chud Anon\n>Afro Saxon"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAfro Saxon is an even dumber Ethio-Sahelian"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>>bolivian / argentinian anon with spaniard hateboner and a BLACKED folder\nhe's sadly dead, he was one of the most based posters"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nYou forgot the infamous Argentine who hates Italians."}, {"id": 30, "content": "For me?\nit's our resident weegie"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nthe funny thing is, he probably himself an Italian in DNA. Argentina is the most Italian nation in South America."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>>31\nthat's the bolivian you retards"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>that's the bolivian\nOh, explains a lot"}, {"id": 34, "content": "Anime posters"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\ni only post anime when i try to troll my opponent and make him angry and lost track of converation, always works.\nIt is like red herring arguement but without wasting any effort."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Oh then there's the guy who keeps spamming pictures of dead Russian soldiers\n\nAnd the Zionist niggers with obvious bait threads\n\nThe Jew obsessed with bombing Germans\n\nThe autist who starts his threads with pictures of the crying girl\n\nthe autist who starts his threads with the black and white anime girl with red eyes"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>7\nLol, Dirk is fucking hilarious, wdym"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>24\nPosted with other pic to differentiate."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>9\nHow come? He's everywhere"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>17\nThere are a couple of schizo posters on this website that I recognize since the first time I started posting here back in 2009, and they still post to this day. I even kinda like them, since they remind me of simpler times, despite their abhorrent posts."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone who makes a thread starting with \"historically speaking\""}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\n>the autist who starts his threads with the black and white anime girl with red eyes\nthats actually a demon (succubus) btw, that guy is under demonic attack and thats why he is always confused about miniscule and trivial theological problems"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone and everyone that frequently participates in genetics threads.\n\n>>12\n>>13\nJWanon is autistic like everyone else here but he is actually a good poster when it comes to his specific subject matter. This board has faced a critical shortage of informed posters for far too long."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>unknown\nI love Gervaisfag so much"}, {"id": 45, "content": "most /his/ schizos are rather tame compared to some in other boards. There's nothing close to someone like /b/'s logfag in here for example."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "did he actually know that the purpose of secrecy is devil worship?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">If God, why bad thing\n\nWhy does this single question sweep so hard, literally destroys"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Humanity is so powerful we were able to permanently corrupt the creation of a perfect all powerful God simply by our actions"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nb-based humanity??"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou're laughing? The gates of paradise have been forever closed and you're laughing?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNot laughing. Just apprehensively questioning if that is based or not."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat's depends on your levels of euphoria"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nBecause it's fucking hilarious, and I'm tired of pretending it's not."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthread summarised in one image\n>>2\n>i have decided to fall from God's grace\n>oh no, oh the humanity, this is God's fault"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Circumstance A Circumstance B Jesus is Lord God confined by circumstances no no by human eyes no less yikesey"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what were some famine foods people ate under mao"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why are asian \"people\" like this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "what the fuck"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Looks yummy tbqh senpai desu ne desu ka yamete kudasai"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nChina is based, kys kike"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nWeird shit happens when your government keeps accidentally engineering famines.\n>>4\nI'd try balut before whatever the fuck that is."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Ass"}, {"id": 8, "content": "y would you ruin a good egg like that?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh my God"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChinese people really are an alien race I kinda wanna visits the poor parts of China one day"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre those slugs? Wtf?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">eating gross shit is okay only when wypipo do it\nFrogs literally eat frogs and snails. Also,I would take the Chinaman is eating over British \"food\" like Jellied eals or fish pie."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt's all about presentation. If this dish was served on a plate looking actually tasty, most wouldn't call it disgusting, but since it was created by boiling eels alive inside of an egg and then using the egg as a disgusting bowl with no seasoning in sight, it's repulsive."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>I don't eat food if it isn't presented like McDonald's goyslop including happy meal toys\nOk mutt"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>make food with gross presention\n>wtf y u think this food gross but not food with better presentation? anti chinese! fak yu american"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>I am a literal kid and won't eat anything untill it is dressed like goyslop"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>i, on the other hand would gladly eat mcdonalds if it was on the wet street first"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBut I am not a mutt."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nYou type like one."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nAnd you eat like one."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>mutts wont eat my gross dirty food that means theyd eat this gross dirty food"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\n>Immediately think of McDonalds\n>Has the gall to call anyone else American"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>See mutt behaviour\n>Calls out mutt out\nHmmmmmmmmmm"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOther chinese people. Cultural differences and what have you"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>Equates presentation to Muttdom\nOnly an American could ever"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nTheir mum"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>slug\nThose are eels you retard"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsians never fail to disgust with their food and cooking practices."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis isn't famine food, this is what they like to eat normally."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>14\nWhy do subhumans like you argue in extremes? You know there's plenty of space between Mcgoyslop and eels boiled in egg, retard"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\neels are the slugs of the sea"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndog\nchild\ndirt\nbug"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJune 4th 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre\n1989年6月4日天安门广场大屠杀\n1989年6月4日天安门广场屠之\n1989年6月4日天安門廣場大屠殺\n1989年6月4日天安門廣場大屠殺\n1989 nián 6 yuè 4 rì tiān ān mén guǎng chǎng dà tú shā\n\nDon't mind me, just clearing out some of the Chinks."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>11\nThey’re small weather loaches\nIt’s a type of fish"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>5\nNope"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>13\n>It's all about presentation. If this dish was served on a plate looking actually tasty, most wouldn't call it disgusting\nOkay, what about this?\nhttps://youtu.be/wXzid3_pTBA [Embed]\nMethod of preparation:\n1. Pull fish out of mud.\n2. Put live fish in a wok with a block of tofu\n3. Punch holes in the tofu.\n4. Turn up the heat.\n5. The mud fish, not wanting to boil alive will swim into the holes to try to escape painful death.\n6. Serve with chili."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I just learned that farm workers were excluded from the labor protections of the New Deal of the 1930s because politicians didn't want Black people to get paid as well as white people"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Based."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just learned that FDR put innocent Japanese-Americans in internment camps just because of their race.\nWhy are Democrats so fucking racist, bros? It happens all the time. Woodrow Wilson (D) was insanely racist, even by the standards of the 1910s and screened the birth of a nation in the White House, while Calvin Coolidge (R) was known for his opposition to racism...."}, {"id": 4, "content": "almost certainly an oversimplification, the new deal was the one period where southern democrats didn't have an iron grip on the party and dems could pass legislation with northern votes alone\nso yeah southern politicians didn't want black people to get paid well but there were other interests pushing against farm worker protections too"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSouthern Democrats routinely obstructed civil rights legislation back then. They were actually quite disproportionately powerful because of the region's mono-party setup which meant that Southern Congressmen basically held their seats for life and accumulated a lot of seniority in Congress. Let it also be said that many of them were quite supportive of the New Deal because it included a lot of pork barrel handouts to the South including the TVA among other things."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">whites know that niggers would sit on their hands as soon as they had any sort of bargaining power\nwe need to go back"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you harbored, enabled, and covered for a pedophile\nOh yeah? WELL YOU'RE GAY"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI meant to post this on another board\nJanny please delete this thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHe is pretty gay tho"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\ntrue"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This Vatican Bible translation is very fucked up me dudes...\n\n>In a dream, in a vision of the night, (when deep sleep falls upon men) as they slumber in their beds,\n>It is then he opens the ears of men and as a warning to them, terrifies them;\n\n>Per somnium in visione nocturna, quando irruit sopor super homines, et dormiunt in lectulo,\n>tunc aperit aures virorum et in visionibus terret eos,\n\nLooks like they fucked up the text even in Latin.\nBut why did they do that? What is their endgame?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Vatican Bible translation\nwhat now? I was searching for a such translation but i had to settle with Douay Rheims.\nAlso\n>What is a Nova Vulgata and why we should use Sixtine and Greek Text if we want to study texts in depth"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, HOW COMMON WAS CHILD MARRIAGE IN THE PAST?\n\nSPECIFICALLY IN EUROPE?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tfw no cute imperialist loli gf\n\nReasons to live: 0"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Is this image AI-generated"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho's that girl? I'm pretty sure I've seen her in some movie or series."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nGUAY IMAGEN."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And why is it Hinduism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgnlEP4XeaA [Embed]\nCorrect."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nislam\nhttps://youtu.be/HfPJilRu2Kw [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSikh music > Hindu music\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1xAOXx1l2Q [Embed]\nbut to answer your question, Hinduism's worship is based around music and specific music is for specific purpose in a specific prayer to specific deity. That developed a complex music structure of ragas. Thats why it is interesting to listen andresearch about it, but i still prefer European music (even though I dislike Europeans)\n>>3\nwait, dont you guys ban music?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\noh its a Shia music, nevermind.\nI like how almost half of Shia music consists of \"lanaat/laan\" which are literal cursewords. Some songs are even fully curse words with autotune added."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>wait, dont you guys ban music?\nthis is a latmia, a shia 'song' to praise the bloodline of Mohammad."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nsome admire ali by saying he created a thousand allah xD."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nto elaborate what i mean by \"i love European (religious) music but dislike Europeans\"\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqXWOzaccw [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqwV9l-U8ds [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf_HJYkpnKM [Embed]\n>>7\narent they Ghulat???"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nBased Sikhposter"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this accurate to the political spectrum in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe left-right spectrum is a relatively recent invention, and isn't really a good way of analysing politics so much as a vague way of describing or simplifying the views of a person or group."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo way. This is cringe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has a country ever bounced back from demographic change like this? It reminds me of what happened to the Copts in Egypt and the Assyrians in Iraq, although the religious element is secondary in England's case."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo because historical demographic transitions were straight up genetic conquest."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In 20-30 years the UK will be less than 50% white\nIt's over."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIt will be like Brazil\n50% white\n20% mix of white + other races\n10% Pajeets/Pakis\n5% Blacks\n5% Others"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nno age bracket is under 50% white though? How do you figure?\nMight happen eventually but it'll take longer"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Has a country ever bounced back from demographic change like this?\nThe reconquista"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Bounced back\nNo. The immigrant populations either assimilate or replace the existing ones. You can’t outbreed imported populations"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nboomers die out\nnew generations are less and less white by the minute"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>2\n>>5\n\nBut you can kill them and kill the traitors in the government officials betraying their people."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nYou can if they're sterilized. Either they get repatriated to their ethnic homelands or they get sterilized. They can choose. Nobody dies nobody gets killed."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt doesn't matter. You can play pretend all you like, it just doesn't matter. British society could be 95% Hawaiian and it'd still be controlled by landlords. It doesn't matter what colour the person you pay your rent to is."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf anyone could turn it around it would be Whites, browns literally can not build a missile shield, therefore they literally can not win a modern war, England could nuke them and slaughter the civilians."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Whites will be exotic pets like they already are pretty much in Saudi Arabia and China."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>It doesn't matter. You can play pretend all you like, it just doesn't matter.\nYes it does.\nhttps://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\nThere are no pajeets in Brazil though"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can't wait for whites to go extinct because only white people are this autistic about race. Once they're all dead and gone, the other races of the world will take over positions of power and things will continue running just fine, proving liberals right that culture and history play a much larger role in a societies functions than the literal 1% genetic difference between two given people (yes, all this haploautism boils down to a literal 1% variation)\n/pol/tards can seethe at me all they want, but the fact of the matter is that while they're seething, none of them are having sex, they have 0 stake in this debate."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>proving liberals right\nLiberals rant and rave about race all the time\nUnlike /pol/tards they have actual power and they won't be happy with being proven wrong and will try to manipulate reality, causing harm to all peoples"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, at last not with out mass expulsion and killings"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nthe shitskins niggers and chinks will destroy everything tho"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nThe UK receives around 600,000 immigrants every year."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\ndunno about Uk but germany is gone"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\n10 squillion bomalians per second and no sign of anyone stopping it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nHalf the haploautists are obvious Third Worlders lol"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSure! America actually bounced from about ~20% black (19th century) to only ~8% black (1960s) through mass importing millions of White Others."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>America actually bounced from about ~20% black (19th century) to only ~8% black (1960s) through mass importing millions of White\nIt was actually based Mexican immigrants that drove most of the blacks out. Mexicans hate blacks way more than Anglos do for some reason."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is there no south asian or Indian category"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nIronically most of the hyper-racists of the internet and the real world are actually on the periphery of whiteness rather than the core (Slavs, latinos, jews ironically hate jews the hardest any can hate jews, the strangely race-mixed) , or at least the periphery of the society they live in (naturally, the well-adjusted aren't usually revolutionary) which can consist of white trash, incels social rejects, or even malcontented elitelets (People inside the system (or at least well of enough) who are pissed off at how things are and what to seize power for themselves). It makes a lot of sense if you think about it."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nObscuring the Pakistani menace by combining it with chinks.\n>>25\nSource, juanito?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Source, juanito?\nLook at any demographic map of America, blacks are all concentrated to Southern States, while heavily Mexican states in the Southwest and along the west coast have far fewer blacks by comparison. The number of blacks in California have dropped substantially since the 1990s."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThat doesn't refute his point but you are correct"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo lol, you can't bounce back from this. Its over for the good goys, i look forward to future pakistan\nKarmic justice for these worthless losers"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIt could be fxed with some will.\nBut no one has it nowadays."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIf it comforts you, remember once upon a time the people of Cologne spoke Latin and Pannonia followed the legacy of Rome"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nIf they ever had a chance to break the jewish conditioning it would've been pic rel"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThat be life."}, {"id": 36, "content": "I wish immigration concerns weren't automatically branded as being far-right, I'm liberal in literally everything but don't want my country's demographic make-up being made up by people who were just imported from Somalia and can barely speak my language."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>4\nBrazil is way less than 50% white though.... that's just a self-identification statistic."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nDepends on the definition tho, brazil doesn't have the one drop rule since everyone is mutt to some degree so the mark would be just passing as white. Thats likely how england will be in the next 50 years"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost European countries are like this these days.\n\nFirst generation immigrants have many children, like in their homelands. Second and third gen immigrants comform to the norm and have around the same number of children as natives.\n\nAlso, assimilation and mixing happens, notice how \"white other\" disappears so quickly. This is partially because a lot of those Germans, Irish, Dutch etc. are married Brits and now their children identify as British."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can actually see the bounce-back on the image you posted. Asian and black percentages are stagnating, the only one that's growing constantly is mixed, which shows a high levels of assimilation.\n\nAlso note the \"other white\" population disappearing while \"white British\" is growing: European immigrants are quickly assimilating into British culture, same as mixed people."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nmixing is not good."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>21\n>one grandpa was an ethnic German from the Baltics that got deported after ww2\n>German government lists me as person with \"migrant background\"\n>waaaah Germany is ogre great replacement comfirmed"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nIt's not just mixing though but clearly assimilation too."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>36\nThat's because being liberal and being anti-immigration is contradictory. If you are liberal you have zero theoretical ground to stand on if you want to argue against immigration. The internal logic of the fundamental principles that you hold as a liberal cannot logically conclude in anything but the acceptance of totally unrestricted mass immigration."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nEven 3rd gen immigrants don't identify as british"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\nYeah I noticed that. That I think is the second/third generation people like South Africans finally droppign the white-other label.\n\nit appears only 'mixed' is growing. Eventually mixed will be bleached. Of course this all requires the immigration tap to be closed off - may never happen - but immigration may eventually be turned off/decrease naturally as automation kicks in and thirdies boost their living standards"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nNTA but I know lots of quarter blacks who look white and identify as British at this point. They just sometimes have wider noses and that's it. They just look like (even uglier) brits and identify as much with england/britain as anyone else around them.\n\nThe real problem is islam/pakistanis rather than blacks/other races who eventually do mix into the mould. We're also going to see a huge upswing in hapas due to the HK migrants. They will assimilate easier"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fall of light blue is interesting. I imagine that is Polish/Romanians who married locals then having kids who identify as white british."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>16\nRace is serious business to everyone who isnt white"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>27\n>Whiteness\nDNA from Europe 30000 years? White simple as that doesnt matter if your skin isnt pale or you lack a sissy facial structure"}, {"id": 51, "content": "I work in a professional working environment and the only time I ever see talking about race is on the internet.\n\nMost of us just get on with it and never discuss it. I really think the internet/twitter has given people really warped perceptions of what the real world is like."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>44\nthe u.s was founded by liberals and they only immigraints they accepted were white christian men of good character"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>3\nOh no, how will basement dwellers ever recover?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\nexcept when hundreds of thousands of black and mixed people shut down major cities and deface monuments and riot because a black person died in america and they're using that to vent their barely-concealed hatred of white people and belief that white society is racist and oppressing them\nOr when tens of thousands of pakis target young white girls for rape and abduction and trafficking\nAnd ignore that each year white people are being systematically displaced from positions of power and authority by increasing diversity equity and inclusion initiatives causing hiring and promotion freezes for white men.\n\nYeah just ignore those things and race isn't an issue."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nThinking like this is why whites are ancient history. You can talk this shit while your the majority but your in for a rude awakening once the browns outnumber you stupid cuck."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nBrowns dont sugarcoat their anti white behavior period they blatantly admit they torment whites for fun. Its this disgusting evil white progressives that downplay it instead."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nYou don't get to talk about this online."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>11\n>>16\n>>27\n>>39\n>>47\n>>51\n>>53\nYou people REALLY need to stop pretending this is just about race in an aesthetic sense, and acknowledge that it's about race AND culture.\n\nBritain becoming a majority non-white country doesn't mean that everything will stay the same except there'll be more people with black/brown skin. No, the entire country will be changed. Its culture will be completely overhauled by this demographic transformation. Everything you think you understand and know about British culture will suddenly become irrelevant as the UK becomes an Afro-Indian-Pakistani mutt colony with very little continuity with pre-21st century British culture. All those things that peopled loved about Britain in the past (pubs, footy, quaint farmland and villages, rock music, the monarchy, quirky parliamentary traditions) will die out and be replaced with Afro-Asian culture.\n\nIf that's something you want or don't care about, then sure, fine, but just admit it. Don't pretend like \"it doesnt matter dude its just people with different colour skin\". Because that isn't what it's about."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>39\n>Also, assimilation and mixing happens, notice how \"white other\" disappears so quickly. This is partially because a lot of those Germans, Irish, Dutch etc. are married Brits and now their children identify as British.\nIt's also due in large part to Brexit. Pre-2016 the UK received a LOT of immigration from countries like Poland, Romania, Latvia etc. For obvious reasons this flow of white Eastern Euro immigration almost completely dried up once Britain left the EU.\n\nBrexit ironically might have turned out to be the turning point after which the UK's demographic fate was sealed. It ensured that almost all immigrants to Britain are now non-whites who will not integrate and will gradually force their culture onto the rest of the country."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nPakistani culture, pajeets and pakis are already having small scale race wars in the UK. The reality of browns is that they fucking hate diversity they love ethnic homogenuity but whites are masochistic retards who think the races that enslaved niggers before Germanics even had societies totally will accept africans being all over the place and wont make them a slave caste all again. Lets not forget that Arabs are the most racist humans in Western Eurasia as they did a genetic displacement that eradicates the original semitic MENA people from existence minus jews of course the brown ones not AshkenWHITEYs."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>16\n>only white people are this autistic about race\n\nDoes this really ring true, though? Most countries in the world outside the West seem to be quite ethnocentric and xenophobic. Non-Westerners dislike hearing it, and often take it as an accusation against them, but it seems like a point worth making at a time when the West is constantly under attack for supposed racism towards everyone else.\n\nDo South Africans for example who make lynching foreign Africans their past-time really have a leg to stand on when it comes to accusing Westerners of racism? Are Chinese, who are currently busily engaged in forcibly assimilating their minorities, really in a position to lecture the West about respecting other peoples' cultures? Are Pakistanis, who are known for lynching people accused of disrespecting the Koran really in a position to lecture Westerners about religious tolerance?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nIgnore that poster thats an evil white progressive"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>it's about race AND culture\nAgree. And fascist culture is absolutely retarded. Orders of magnitude more than anything brown people could ever come up with.\n\n>Its culture will be completely overhauled by this demographic transformation.\nAnd the only people who think this is an existential threat are complete and utter losers who would ditch the culture of their own country in favor of Roman statue LARPing if they could.\n\n>All those things that peopled loved about Britain in the past (pubs, footy, quaint farmland and villages, rock music, the monarchy, quirky parliamentary traditions) will die out and be replaced with Afro-Asian culture.\nNo they won’t. Except MAYBE the monarchy and villages, but that’d be based.\n\nHey guess what, there are majority black cities in the US, and they don’t eat hyena brains there."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\n>Pakistani culture, pajeets and pakis are already having small scale race wars in the UK.\nYep, we saw this last year with the Hindu vs Muslim riots in Leicester.\n\nThe guy at the front in pic related is Mohammed Hijab who was born and raised in the UK and has a normal British accent etc. He's still a fundamentalist Muslim and gets involved in this race war shit. So it's not just a first-gen immigrant thing, even the kids seem to have the same attitude.\n\nI don't think Africans are going to be demographically relevant in the UK in the long run. As you can see in the graph here >>1 (OP) the pure black population is stagnating/decreasing while the mixed population increases. Blacks are the most likely to integrate in the long-term due to their high rates of intermarriage with whites. But Pakis and Pajeets will be a huge problem because they stay in their own insular communities and just wait to grab power for themselves. And they never marry outside of their ethnic/religious group."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>Agree. And fascist culture is absolutely retarded. Orders of magnitude more than anything brown people could ever come up with.\nWho is talking about \"fascist culture\" here? Do you think native white British culture is inherently \"fascist\" somehow?\n\n>No they won’t. Except MAYBE the monarchy and villages, but that’d be based.\nYou're coping.\n\n>Hey guess what, there are majority black cities in the US, and they don’t eat hyena brains there.\nAmerican blacks were forced to be culturally assimilated because of slavery. They were forcibly uprooted from their African cultural environment and basically reshaped into Anglo-Africans over several generations. This is completely different to what's going on in the UK/Europe where entire families are immigrating willingly from India/Pakistan/Africa and just bringing their foreign culture with them, and not changing anything about their ways."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>Hey guess what, there are majority black cities in the US, and they don’t eat hyena brains there.\n\nThat was something of a different situation. Obviously, immigrants will at least partially assimilate to British culture. But their influence will be much greater than the influence enslaved Africans had on America. Not only is their social position as free people obviously stronger than the Africans' was in historic America, but international communications and transport in the modern world means that immigrants anywhere don't lose touch with their old country the way they used to. The native British population also skews sharply elderly compared to newcomers."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nBlack Americans have an alien culture incompatible with America thats only tolerated because they are black"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nIt's not to the same extent. I don't think you Americans really understand this. You complain about your cities becoming more Afro-American/Hispanic over time. But the cultural change which occurs in those instances pales in comparison to what we see in the UK where literal fresh-off-the-boat Pakistanis and Indians just take over entire neighbourhoods."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nTheir culture is being a criminal psychopath 24/7 its alien to any human culture including Pisslam"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nDESU most changes in America today are also driven by Third World immigration from Africa, Asia, and Central America, not by blacks moving out of the South or the ghetto, or Mexicans crossing the border from next door. Both of the latter are old memes at this point."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>58\nLe this\nEven if race isn't biologically relevant, it is culturally relevant whether we like it or not. People aren't blind, they go to the National Portrait Gallery and they see 99% \"white\" faces everywhere, they KNOW that this is what Native Britons look like and they KNOW that different phenotypes betrays their foreign origins and the fact that their ancestors were unwelcome in the historic UK (or other European countries).\nThis knowledge breeds resentment at the fact that they often never feel truly integrated or that they will be identified as 'one of them'. I lived in Berlin, a progressive multikulti, city and met many brown dudes who joked \"do I look German to you?\" now and then."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>65\n>Who is talking about \"fascist culture\" here?\nOP.\n\n>>66\nThe US is full of immigrants from Italy, Germany, Ireland and the UK yet American culture is none of those. Europeans were migrating to each others’ countries, interbreeding with each other and importing each others’ cultural elements for centuries and yet no European country is unrecognizable. I could keep pulling out examples that prove you wrong over and over again and you’ll never admit that for you this is all about race."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nNot that anon but I'd argue the Hispanic thing is very different compared to what's happening in the UK. Mexicans were already hilariously Americanized and a lot of Latin America is too, and now that a lot of those immigrants have been here for a while it's becoming apparent that in 2 generations they pretty much fully assimilate while keeping some basic traditions as a matter of identity. Basically the same shit that happened to the Italians back in the day, just browner and instead of gabagool pizza eyyyyy it's pendejo taco oye"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>The US is full of immigrants from Italy, Germany, Ireland and the UK yet American culture is none of those. Europeans were migrating to each others’ countries, interbreeding with each other and importing each others’ cultural elements for centuries and yet no European country is unrecognizable.\nIs this supposed to be a comparison with the endless hordes of people from all around the world swarming europe or what because it if it you're literally braindead"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>63\nAmerican blacks have been there for 300 years and have never been more than 20% of the population. It is not comparable at all to large scale demographic replacement of British cities from native white Britons to Africans and Asians. People who will have little care about preserving our culture and traditions, I mean, why would they?\n>And the only people who think this is an existential threat are complete and utter losers who would ditch the culture of their own country in favor of Roman statue LARPing if they could.\nNo one has ever voted for more immigrants in our country. Regular working class whites have had to face waves of crime, demographic replacement and unasked for cultural shifts because the upper classes imported them in. The rise in nationalism not just in the UK, but across Western Europe and North America in the 2010s would indicate the same. Regular people feel strongly about this.\n\nPerhaps you're too naive to notice, perhaps you do notice and secretly cheer it on, or perhaps you grew up in a \"diverse\" part of the UK and never know any better, but one day you too will realise, that the danger is at your doorstep."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\n>and now that a lot of those immigrants have been here for a while it's becoming apparent that in 2 generations they pretty much fully assimilate while keeping some basic traditions as a matter of identity.\nI remember people mentioning this way back in the 2000s, back when there was a serious panic about American culture being supplanted by a Latino one, and most of the time it getting shot down by hysterics. Now that we're actively seeing the trend happen it seems like everyone's chilled out and it's become more of a race thing specifically while the cultural thing isn't even talked about anymore. People still complain about the first generation immigrants obviously, but there's not a \"Their kids will all speak Spanish and never assimilate\" angle to it anymore."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>The rise in nationalism not just in the UK, but across Western Europe and North America in the 2010s would indicate the same. Regular people feel strongly about this.\n\nDo they? I'll believe it when either UKIP or Reform get more than 10% of the vote in a general election.\n\nIt's hard to seriously make the claim that Britons are spitting mad about immigration at a time when we're looking at a 1997-style red wave over inflation and the mean old Tories cutting bennies.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5j7jjhm4M [Embed]"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>72\nThat's because they were Christian Europeans integrating into a Christian European culture. They didn't all come over at the one time. First it was the British and Ulster-Irish, then it was Germans, who integrated fairly well, then after that it was the Irish (who were part of the UK at this point), who's only discernible difference was Catholicism and an accent. Then it was the Italians and Eastern Euros, who also mixed with the local population and most forgot their native tongue.\n\nIn the end you have a largely European, English speaking, Christian population with regional differences in ethnic origin from different European nations, who all looked, acted and believed the same thing anyway. This is in no way comparable to Britain going from British to nearly completely replaced by Africans and Asians within a few generations."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nBrexit, Donald Trump, National Front, Vox all made a big point about halting immigration, which seemed to have spoke to the public, in particular the working class.\n\nHow many immigrants do you think is enough by the way? When will we be diverse enough?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nMuh immigration retards do not realize they cause mass poverty"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nThe answer? A zillion more senegalese to save the Eneichess"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>79\nYou're in for an unpleasant surprise next year. You might even be right that all things being equal, most Britons would have liked to see a reduction in immigration - but after voting for Brexit, they didn't even really get it, it was a case of Poles out Pakis in.\n\nAnd in general, there's a tendency in British politics for them to get sick of the old bunch and vote in the new just because. We also have to take into account the fact that young voters overwhelmingly skew Labour, so between the last election in 2019 and next year the electorate has undoubtedly become much more Labour-friendly.\n\nNot even saying this is particularly a good thing, but eh. It is what it is."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nIt's a literal scheme by corporations to create a new slave class that will work for cheaper. They couldn't give a fuck about the natives since they demand things like living wages and unions.\n\nIt makes it all the more tragic when leftists think they are going to integrate all le poor brown pipo into UK culture and make them rich and civilised like us (they view them as inferior but will never admit it to themselves), when in reality their future is toiling away in an amazon warehouse for 12 hours while living in squalor.\n\nThe future cities of the UK will be cyberpunk dystopias where mass ghettos of Afro-Asian hordes will live in poverty and be servants to mega corporations. There will be de facto anarchy in many areas. White people probably live in armed gated communities pretending the outside world doesn't exist. Think Brazil but worse."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nAnglo retards do not realize the native paki population can now displace them even if all immigration to the UK was stopped for a century"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>76\nMostly because the boomer cons don't talk about it any more while the ones who do are just normal racist. It doesn't particularly matter if you want all migrants deported. Unless somehow the mexicans acculturate all the fucking whites and make the spicish too through the power of Latam cultural blood immersion."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>74\nNot an argument.\n\n>>75\n>20% of the population\nYou’re completely retarded if you think this isn’t high enough to significantly influence culture (which it has).\n\n>No one has ever voted for more immigrants in our country.\nAstrocopium\n\n>Regular working class whites have had to face waves of crime\nImmigrants commit less crime than people born in their country. You’re making it so fucking clear \"culture\" just means race to you.\n\n>The rise in nationalism not just in the UK, but across Western Europe and North America in the 2010s would indicate the same.\nThank you for proving me right when I say the only people who care about immigrants are retards who jack off to Roman statues.\n\n>that the danger is at your doorstep\nOh I am damn aware fascists are dangerous. Don’t worry about that.\n\n>>78\n>That's because they were Christian Europeans integrating into a Christian European culture.\nPretending France has anything in common culturally with Germany is the litmus test for morbidly obese diabetic mutts who never ever set foot outside the Bible belt.\n\nAlso, Nigeria, Congo, Uganda, South Africa and Namibia are Christian countries. Why is it a problem when they come in?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\nYeah the tories are done for the next election anyway, especially after Partygate, Truss and now the unelected Sunak. Can't remember a more disastrous government in my lifetime.\n\nLabour will win the next election but it's a question of whether they'll continue on the globalist leftist agenda when the country is in economic, political and demographic crisis, or whether they will be more sensible. Time will tell."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>82\n>alkshually britons don't care about migration because everyone they vote to try and at least restrict it just goes back on their prolieñses and default to building Skills and Leveling up Global BritainTM"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>72\n>The US is full of immigrants from Italy, Germany, Ireland and the UK yet American culture is none of those.\nArguably the original WASP culture of many regions of the US was completely replaced, and that's not even addressing the death of Cajun culture, Isleños, Spanish Floridians (as in BEFORE the Cubans), Californios, etc. All of which have been extinguished by demographic change."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\nUgabda at least has a human (child) sacrifice problem so hardly christian in the western sense."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>86\n>Immigrants commit less crime than people born in their country. You’re making it so fucking clear \"culture\" just means race to you.\nYeah, it does. I don't want my people replaced for reasons of diversity.\n>Thank you for proving me right when I say the only people who care about immigrants are retards who jack off to Roman statues.\nYou are so incredibly naive its almost laughable.\n>Oh I am damn aware fascists are dangerous. Don’t worry about that.\nWell the general population is much more \"fascist\" than you would imagine. And if \"fascist\" means \"doesn't want the replacement of your people and culture from their homeland\", then I'll wear that with a badge of honour.\n>Also, Nigeria, Congo, Uganda, South Africa and Namibia are Christian countries. Why is it a problem when they come in?\nThey're from poorer, more violent and more unstable countries."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>86\n>Also, Nigeria, Congo, Uganda, South Africa and Namibia are Christian countries. Why is it a problem when they come in?\n\nThey are not white"}, {"id": 93, "content": "The reason the Tories are going to lose is because Rishi isn't white. There is still a very significant part of the population who won't vote for a non-white. The labour lead only really started to take off once Rishi was in."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>89\nWhat were isleños again. Also yeah Old WASP america in the east coast is pretty fucking dead. We do not xount the mormons because they are post 1830 migrant anglos and welsh."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\nAlso because he was unelected and is a retard that doesn't know what he's doing?\nIf the population doesn't want to vote for a non white, that's the will of the British people.\n\nAre you of Pakistani origin by any chance?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>88\nPromises*"}, {"id": 97, "content": "Genocide is the only way to resolve this bit pakis will be the one doing the genocides. The Indian shit is a preview of what those bastards are gonna do to all non pakis in the UK when they are the true absolute majority."}, {"id": 98, "content": "I don't think there is any major conspiracy. I work in a big company and it's really hard to find a white kid who actually is good at STEM and works hard. We have to outsource/bring in migrants because the white boys just don't want to be trained up (most are marxist layabouts who hate working anyway) and can't do basic sums because they dropped maths at 15. I'm white and it pains me but we always tend to lean towards not going for them because of that.\n\nBig business and the government is also well aware of it. Even King Charles is aware of it - hence his move to this civic-nationalist type society and his outreach to other colours and faiths. It's also possible to end the breakup of the UK by flooding all areas of the UK with pro-civic nationalist types and blur the lines between UK country borders - another win for the establishment, but I don't think they are intelligent enough to do that intentionally.\n\nI mean look at this thread. Lots of white UK guys in here but instead of studying or working, its 3pm on a wednesday and they are in here posting. Thatt's why nobody wants them"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\nWhy are you arguing with me for making a point you agree with? Don't you have anything else to do? its 3pm on a wednesday, why are you not at work?\n\nLet me guess, NEET or retail shift worker. Then he scratches his head wondering we need STEM migrants."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>93\nAbsolutely delusional megacope, if anything the Tories are actually up in recent months, although they're still going to lose hard to Labour."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\nAmusingly long term it appears that the UK will just be full of indians and pakistanis killing eachother whilst the white brits look on rather bemused from the suburbs."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>98\nWhat a load of shit whites have more autist than any other race so theres never a shortage of STEM inclined whites. You arent fooling anyone anti white shit."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>98\n>save the UK by making it not the UK anymore.\nAmazing. What if we saved the UK by abolishing the monarchy instead at that point?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>98\nIt's not a \"major conspiracy\", it's pure economics. It's more profitable to have third worlders in, also it erases any pre capital factors for the future but that's another matter.\n\nEventually people are going to have to wake up to this, especially once most of the boomers die off, that the country could be heading for demographic crisis.\n> instead of studying or working, its 3pm on a wednesday and they are in here posting.\ni'm a uni student. why aren't you studying or working."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\nWe search out graduates from top universities all the time. The research labs are all chinese and indian second generation kids. the UK doesn't have race quotas for university applications like the US does (we only have, in limited cases, burseries for some blacks). Whites simply have little interest in STEM in the UK.\n\n>>104\n>i'm a uni student. why aren't you studying or working.\nDay off to see my daddy in norf england"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>101\nWhite Brits will lose their suburbs browns arent like blacks they like living everywhere not just the cities. Infact suburbs are farms for paki gangs to capture anglo girls to be used as sex slaves in their trade."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nThere are middle and upper class indians in suburbs, in fact my discourse with them is what educated me pretty conclusively that it's all about class, not race. what they care about is indistinguishable from what middle class whites care about. Pakistanis are far too deprived/poor to live in actually good suburbs. The outer areas of poor northern towns are not really 'suburbs'."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>98\nThis is what they said in America too, but really it was just an excuse to bring in H-1Bs that work for shitty salaries."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\n>but america but america but america\nWe are not America and will never attract their calibre of immigrants. They get far, far better migrants than we do. Example all the major tech CEOS in the US are rapidly becoming Indian. Do you think that's because they are cheap? No its because its the top 0.1% of indians going to the US and they mog because of how bell curves work."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nLmao this cuck thinks pakis will play ny the rules,pakis already turn their territories in London into ethnostates by violence and financial terrorism towards non pakis."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>104\nAgreed its just pure economics. Heck look at this, latest news, the only part of the UK with a booming economy is once again London.\n\nhttps://www.cityam.com/london-economy-powers-ahead-of-every-other-uk-region-as-the-capital-shrugs-off-recession-fears/"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nPlease go outside. Pakis cause trouble in inner cities/towns because they are poor and stupid. They are the worst, lowest tier of immigrants because pakistan is a poor backwards country and islam is a backwards religion.\n\nThey do not drive up and down rich white suburbs because they couldn't even find them on a map."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>109\nThey dont mog shit white autist are superior nearly all modern comes from white autist so the fact they dont dominate STEM in their own lands is absurd. Visit China or Japan their racial group completely dominates STEM but in white countries all of a sudden its not. Fuck off you are evil scum to the next level denying the most competent white people jobs."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>109\nMost of the migrants aren't skilled. They come in boats from france. Not planes from some third world capital."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>107\nWhy would future Indian immigrants for example integrate to the extent the previous ones did? Especially when there is literally less of British culture to integrate to, due to large numbers of South Asians and Africans?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nThe third worldification of the UK is not worth it anyway."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>112\nPakis are cancer in small towns in the UK already. Also cuck THEY WILL VASTLY OUTNUMBER YOU SOON. Just in the inner cities thats what Americans thought about blacks now blacks are turning suburbs into hellholes and eventually the countryside too."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Copts in Egypt and the Assyrians in Iraq\nboth of these are mongrel mutts who replaced the natives long before they got replaced themselves"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nBlacks are a meme, they represent only 13% of the US population, virtually the same as half a century ago. Rent free"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\n>mongrel mutts who replaced the natives\n\nIt's a bit of a stretch, but you could say the same about Britons because le Norman invasion.\n\nAnyway, even if there is a distinction because of how heckin' indigenous Britons are, so what? What difference does that ultimately make in the end?"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>113\n>They dont mog shit white autist are superior\nYet white kids perform at the lowest levels in british schools, with only blacks performing worse.\n\n>Visit China or Japan their racial group completely dominates STEM but in white countries all of a sudden its not\nYou've never been to those countries and yet you prove my point. the % of people studying STEM in china and japan is far, far higher as a % of white boys in the UK studying STEM in the UK.\n\n>Fuck off you are evil scum to the next level denying the most competent white people jobs.\nThe white boys scores are lower. They think working hard is for 'drones'. The immigrant kids work harder and got better grades. Why would a company hire the white kid?\n\n>>114\n>Most of the migrants aren't skilled. They come in boats from france. Not planes from some third world capital.\nThe vast majority of immigrants in our immigration figures are students, not boat people. Net migration was 504,000, that is nowhere near close to the boat people numbers.\n\nhttps://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/#:~:text=With%20this%20caveat%20in%20mind,used)%20(Figure%201).\n\n>>115\nIndians buy up property in wealthy areas/suburbs and their kids go to good schools. They integrate far better than Pakistanis because there is no barbarian religious baggage or poverty. Upper-class Brahmin indians consider themselves middle/upper class british people. Sikhs tend to even go one above that and immediately identify as british even in the first generation (as they tend to hate india as a country due to the way they are treated there).\n\n>>117\n>. Also cuck THEY WILL VASTLY OUTNUMBER YOU SOON\nthere is no evidence to suggest pakistanis are ever going to be a majority in the UK, their birth rates do not maintain themselves and there's simply not enough of them."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>86\n>Pretending France has anything in common culturally with Germany is the litmus test for morbidly obese diabetic mutts who never ever set foot outside the Bible belt.\nYou're retarded if you think it's that big of a leap. Germans and French people get on fine and share much in common, this is the basis for the whole EU really. Regions like Alsace, Lorraine, Pas de Calais, etc. Are more 'German-esque' than you'd think"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>94\nIsleños are Spanish Louisianans who lived there pre American purchase. They're often forgotten as the Cajuns take the spotlight for Louisiana's unique ethnic identities."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>119\nWhite progs literally plant black africans into mono white areas. There are small towns who have an unexplained Somali infestation out of nowhere"}, {"id": 125, "content": "i for one support the demographic replacement of Britrannies\nhowever i wish that all based Pakistanis, Arabs and other Muslims will go back to their own countries and instead they should double on the importation of christian immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribeans + Hindus poos\nam sure Britranny chuds won't whine and seethe when their African brothers in Christ rape their women and invade their cities, they can't blame it on Islam anyway lol"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\n>based Pakistanis\nMost of them are inbred lmao\n\nhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9645571/More-half-Pakistani-heritage-couples-Britain-cousin-marriages.html\n\nhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4674136/The-British-Pakistani-women-marrying-COUSINS.html\n\nhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/time-to-end-cousin-marriage-in-the-uk-ktqqg3t26"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>121\nPakis breed as teenagers they already won since Brits breed in their 30s or never do period"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWHG in Britain were replaced by farmers who got raped by Bell Beakers in turn. Same will happen now with pajeets, pakis and niggers raping britbongs."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nNot reflected in actual data.\n>>1 (OP)\n\nIf it were true, the orange slice would be far higher at 0-10yo and the blue slices wouldn't exist. So you are wrong. Please leave /pol/"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>126\ncousin marriage is based\ncan't say the same about the long Britranny traditions and practices of bestiality, homosexuality and of course cutting their entire dicks (instead of just the tip) to become women"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>126\nYeah that is the thing that makes pakis a weak threat in the long term. The morrisons near me has pakistanis shuffling around and speaking to them at the self service till/other tills is mindblowing. Their eyes look so fucking braindead and they laugh like their IQ is about 60. Stop marrying your fucking relatives"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nThe UK situation jist seems grim ovwrall.Just grim."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nits been ok for me. but i look at us relative to everyone else. like people seem to not have noticed how far france is falling behind the UK because we are so inward looking. our economy is now one portugal-gdp-sized slice larger than France."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nThis is karma for colonization"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\n>s-s-stop it! please stop marrying and having kids you are genociding my race...ah i mean you are harming your children!!!\npathetic cope, you're just seething because they are having sex AND children, two thing you will never have"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nexcept the data shows whites make up far more many births than pakis\n>>1 (OP)\n\nand we do it without fucking our relatives."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\nThat guy must be 25% black at most. He even has fair eyes."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nA lot of 25% blacks tend to just look like rather ugly whites. There are uglier white folks especially in scotland"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>136\n>instead of counting only native Britranny birth rates he's also counting the offspring of the eastern euro trash just so he can compete with based brown and black modern British citizens"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\nWhen I was at school (in the 2000s) we didn't even consider mixed race people as black. They were always considered a third racial category. None of the mixed race kids I knew growing up called themselves \"black\". I remember when Obama got elected US president in 2008, lots of us in the UK were confused because we thought \"why is everyone calling him the first black president? he's clearly mixed race\"\n\nThings changed in the 2010s of course when social media resulted in American racial attitudes being imported into the UK. Now, like in America, people often stupidly think that if someone is half-white half-black that somehow makes them a black person."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>139\nThat's a seperate category on OP image... and the white blues fade into the dark blues, proving integration for them does occur. Mixes also show that integration does occur."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>139\n>Britranny\n\"When looking at gender by ethnicity, the highest proportion to say their gender identity is different from their sex registered at birth was among people identifying as black (1.6%), followed by the category “white Gypsy, Irish Traveller, Roma or other white” (1.1%), Asian (1.0%), mixed or multiple ethnicities (1.0%) and white Irish (0.5%).\n\nThe lowest proportion was for the white UK group, covering English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British, at 0.3%.\"\n\nFrom the 2021 UK census\n\nMuslims were also recorded as the religion with the highest number of trannies in the UK."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>91\n>Yeah, it does.\nThank you for proving >>58 wrong.\n\n>>92\nThank you for proving >>58 wrong.\n\n>>122\n>Germans and French people get on fine and share much in common\nYup, never been outside the Bible belt."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>140\ndon't try blaming this on Black American culture and social media, this is all the fault of racist cumskins and their retarded ''one drop rule''\n>>142\n>google British Trangenders pics/parades/protests...\n>+90% are cumskin\nyou're pathetic, might as well start linking /pol/ threads here as evidence kek"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\n>THE CENSUS IN WHICH MUSLIMS SELF-REPORTED AS TRANNIES IS WRONG BECAUSE... UM... IT JUST HECKIN IS OK"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>144\n>this is all the fault of racist cumskins and their retarded ''one drop rule''\nOne drop rule didn't exist in the UK before the 2010s. It's entirely a colonial concept."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\n>this census study i found on /pol/ is accurate!!!\nkek, even the official sites of LGBTroons clearly states that only very few UK muslims are openly gay (let alone tranny) meanwhile Atheistroons and Christrannies are as the name implies are the soul and heart of the LGBT community\nyeah it is sad and depressing to see that Muslims unlike the other two groups i mentioned are still backward, close minded and anti-liberal/progressive thought, no wonder you chuds hate Pakistanis and Muslims the most out of all immigrants in the UK, because they do not share your same lust for getting sodomized by big dlidos in the ass lmao"}, {"id": 148, "content": "A lot of this is about other nations having an American conception of identity imposed upon them. Because America had a creedal identity that is within modern historical memory, every other nation has to have its identity deconstructed to fit the American mold. Your nation or people are no longer allowed to have an origin in the mists of time and you aren’t allowed to have an identity based on common descent/blood/lineage, but rather a potentially universal one based on adherence to values. These are both Americanizations, and the latter one is additionally about breaking all barriers to trade, production and consumption. So your nation is now an arbitary area where economic activity happens. Why not import more producer-consumer units like America has been doing since the very beginning? You also see it very strongly with Europeans having the notion of whiteness imposed upon them and people calling the assimilation of “white others” and epic win for the English people. In reality, it’s a loss for both the English who are being diluted and the white others who are losing their distinct cultures. Oh wait, that’s exactly happened to all European immigrants in America!"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>42\nDo you think everyone aged 10-70 was a deported Baltic German, or are you just so retarded you can't read the graph?"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>147\n>>this census study i found on /pol/ is accurate!!!\nIt's not from /pol/ LMAO it's the official national census of the UK which happens every decade. 2021 was the first one to record gender identity/trannyism."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nle 65% face"}, {"id": 152, "content": "Daily reminder chuds: if you think replacement is bad it isn’t happening and you are insane for thinking it is happening. But if you think replacement is good, it is natural, normal, and inevitable! Also, if we find that replacement might take 90 years rather than 75 years that means it isn’t happening"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\n>The sexual orientation and gender identity questions were asked for those aged 16 and over. The 63% of lesbian, gay, or bisexual (LGB) people who ticked ‘No religion’ comprise those who said their sexual orientation was something other than ‘Straight or Heterosexual’, i.e. those who ticked ‘Gay or Lesbian’, ‘Bisexual’, or ‘All other sexual orientations’. 26% of LGB people ticked ‘Christian’, 2% ‘Muslim’, and 6% other religions.\n\n>The Census religion question was asked of those all ages. Overall the England and Wales Census saw 37% ticking ‘No religion’, 46%, ‘Christian’, 6% ‘Muslim’, and 4% other religions.\n\n>Among those who said their gender identity is different from sex registered at birth (‘TROON’), 35.7% ticked ‘No religion’, 36.2% ticked ‘CHRISTRANNY’, 15% ticked ‘Muslim’, and 10% ticked other religions.\n\nhttps://humanists.uk/2023/04/04/most-lgbt-people-are-non-religious-census-2021/\n\nhow are you going to cope now chud? kek"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>140\nIt's because Whites have become so demonized and portrayed so negatively that nobody wants to identify as them. When you're a minority you get to be a protected class that is pandered to."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\n>>Among those who said their gender identity is different from sex registered at birth (‘TROON’), 35.7% ticked ‘No religion’, 36.2% ticked ‘CHRISTRANNY’, 15% ticked ‘Muslim’, and 10% ticked other religions.\nThere are more Christian trannies because there are more Christians overall than Muslims.\n\nThe percentages are referred to in >>142 are the PROPORTION of each religion/race which is transgender. Muslims are more likely to be trannies than Christians are, and blacks/asians are more likely to be trannies than white British are."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>152\nBut we have already been replaced in Gen Z and Alpha"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nCOPE\nthe percentage of christcucks in the UK is way lower than whatever percentage you based you pathetic calculations on and it gets lower every year while the muslim percentage gets higher\nwhen they do a study on the percentage of trannies by each different religion you'll see Cucktianity ranking #1 as expected\njust admit defeat and accept that there is no religious group more degraded and disgusting than Christcucks"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>24\n>~8% black (1960s)\nWas it ever that low? I thought it bottomed out at 10% in the 40s."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>51\nCant relate, I hear people talk about race all the time and hear the word \"racism\" at least once a day."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>118\n>both of these are mongrel mutts who replaced the natives long before they got replaced themselves\nSo the same as Europeans"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>59\n>It ensured that almost all immigrants to Britain are now non-whites\nThat doesn’t fucking matter. It’s just as evil and vicious as crushing the native English and replacing them with brown peoples\n>we’re wiping you out and replacing you, but they have the same skin tone so it’s okay :^)\nis the stupidest shit, and only dumb, rootless Americans and people they’ve indoctrinated with their stupid views on race believe this shit. Congratulations the English, Welsh and Scots are gone and you’ve created New Poland and Western Romania instead. Chaucer and Shakespeare have been replaced by Milosz. Ridiculous. God damn Clement Attlee."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nrelax nigel, these dumb big nosed rats have no idea what the minority of heavily armed, nuclear armed, anti-semitic White remnant will do.\nEuropeans populated a continent with less than 5 million people as a baseline start.\nIt would be as simple as \"hey ChatGPT1488, create a virus that wipes out non-Whites and anyone with non-White DNA\"\nthat easy."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>53\nDumb paki"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>53\nAll im saying is you are ceding any moral ground if the tides turn.\nIf the British ever decide \"hmmm, browns must die\" you have no reason to protest as you openly worse that same shoe when it suited you."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>86\n>Also, Nigeria, Congo, Uganda, South Africa and Namibia are Christian countries. Why is it a problem when they come in?\nThat’s where Christians fall over. All of those countries are shitholes, and the fact that the people eat a Jesus cracker once a week doesn’t make them civilised. Though Nigeria is about half muslim, which doesn’t undermine the main point.\n\nThat said, you are clearly a rootless faggot, with faggot views. Enjoy dying in a nursing home when niggers forget to give you your meds."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>121\n> Yet white kids perform at the lowest levels in british schools, with only blacks performing worse.\nThat is only true to GCSE level. At A level and in universities, whites perform much better."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>16\n>only white people are this autistic about race\npost nose"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>58\nthis"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>166\nI wouldn't be surprised if going to school in the equivalent of a hybrid islamabad bazzar and a kinshasa wet market negatively affected academic performance overall."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll the populations in that graph from the age of 40 and down are mostly stable, the only one that is continually increasing is the \"mixed\" category, mostly at the expense of \"white other\". That graph claims there are more 10yo \"white british\" than 40yo.\nThere's a huge shift present when you compare the population between the ages of 40 and 70, but the trend seems to have stabilized."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>31\n>Karmic justice for these worthless losers\nHow is it karmic justice?"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>47\n>The real problem is islam/pakistanis rather than blacks/other races who eventually do mix into the mould.\nDelusional. Blacks are a massive problem too. Look at the USA to see at what happens when a white society is forced to include blacks in it. It's not a positive change to have them around.\n\n>and identify as much with england/britain as anyone else around them.\nThat's bullshit.\nHardly anyone who doesn't look passably like a Briton really identifies with this country. Their racial appearance immediately marks them as an outsider and as a result they invariably think and act like an outsider."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>47\n>They just look like (even uglier) brits and identify as much with england/britain as anyone else around them.\n\nCuriously though, even in the modern, politically-correct age, it's quite unusual for anyone not basically 100% white to be referred to as English, Scottish, or Welsh. Nonwhites or non-native whites who grew up in Britain will tend to go with \"British\" instead.\n\nIt is somewhat more common for non-natives who grew up in Ireland to refer to themselves as Irish, but even then, it still seems... odd, and I think only people of at least partial Irish ancestry tend to do so. If someone has two Eastern European or African parents for example they will mostly refer to themselves as whatever nationality their parent(s) have."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope, imagine the logistics of more than 6 million."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, England in the high middle ages."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>25\nBlacks were never \"driven out\". Their population growth was heavily limited by things like forced sterilizations, segregation to quarantine them, denying basic welfare and assistance, and - later - abortion. However, the black population never reduced in absolute terms. It reduced only as a percentage by vastly increasing the number of whites.\nNote that my point is for between ~1830 and ~1960. This was well before the massive waves of Latino immigrants.\n>Mexicans hate blacks way more than Anglos do for some reason.\nI don't really think they're any less racist than any other group, honestly, but if you have actual evidence I'm inclined to see it."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>158\nYou are correct. It bottomed at ~10% during the 1940s, down from a high of 20% in the 1760s.\nThank you for correcting me. This is useful information."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>157\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Iran"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>16\n>Once they're all dead and gone, the other races of the world will take over positions of power and things will continue running just fine, proving liberals right that culture and history play a much larger role in a societies functions than the literal 1% genetic difference between two given people (yes, all this haploautism boils down to a literal 1% variation)\nSouth Africa. Oops! It's over for you leftyChud."}, {"id": 180, "content": "Iberia between antiquity and the muslim domination, after the reconquista it turned back to a genetic profile more similar to iron age Iberia\ngeography works in favor of England, coproderms aren't there because of the weather or the wealth of the land itself anyway"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>179\nThere are a lot of post-colonial states in the world with white minorities, and while few of them are unqualified successes, it's surely unfair to jump to South Africa every time."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>180\n>coproderms\nkek"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>179\n>leftyChud\n\nHuh?"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>181\nBecause it used to be Australia with nukes tier, now it's a violent shithole with no power or running water. Since the end of cololianlism Africa's GDP per capita has gone DOWN (the only continent on the planet). The HDI had gone down (again the only continent where this happenend).\n\nThis is despite massive aid from Western countries, often surpassing 200% of African government budgets. Only delusional retardedly coping quarterwits think that White countries will be fine when they will face the same without aid."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>183\nThere are just as many left wing unironic communists on /pol/ than ring wing cucks. They are all the same disenfranchised loser to me."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>184\nThose stats are simply untrue. Africa has struggled substantially, but it's a whole continent. Certain countries, like Ghana and Namibia, are doing great. Hell, I wouldn't mind living in Namibia. Windhoek might honestly be safer than the American metro I live now.\nThe data is highly misleading, though. No one expects the eastern Congo to become a massively wealthy area any time this century. It's just impossible to build that kind of infrastructure in the heart of Africa. Places on the coast are doing fine, clocking some of the fastest GDP growth rates in human history. Treating Namibia and Chad as the same country is ridiculous.\n>Europe is so shit. There's constant wars (Eastern Europe), rampant poverty (Eastern Europe), corruption (Eastern Europe), and so on. Who would want to live in Europe?\n\n>This is despite massive aid from Western countries, often surpassing 200% of African government budgets.\nDouble a pittance is still a pittance"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>184\nI'm not disagreeing with you about South Africa or Africa after colonialism in particular. My point is that the demographics of Western countries aren't necessarily going to be overwhelmingly (black) African.\n\nPlaces like Morocco, Lebanon(!) and Turkey might be more illustrative of what's in store for Europeans, while California perhaps gives us a premonition of America's future."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>186\n>Those stats are simply untrue\nCOPE"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>184\n>Because it used to be Australia with nukes tier\nNope it was always a third world shithole, this is your racist fantasy.\n\n>now it's a violent shithole\nCrime in South Africa is down compared to the 1990s\n\n>with no power or running water.\nProvision of these services has increased.\n\n>Africa's GDP per capita has gone DOWN\nFalse.\n\n>The HDI had gone down\nThis is the ONLY true part of your post, HDI in Southern Africa has gone down because the AIDS crisis reduced life expectancy, which is a major component of the HDI."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>188\n>Posts evidence for the only true part of the post\n>Means he KNOWS the rest is bullshit\nI hate you dishonest Stormcucks so much."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>186\n>>189\nCOOOPE"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>186\n>>189\n>>190\nC O P E\nO\nP\nE"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>191\nI don't see any labels and no source."}, {"id": 194, "content": "I will reiterate:\n>Only delusional retardedly coping quarterwits think that White countries will be fine when they will face the same without aid.\nWhy don't you delusional retardedly coping quarterwits simply read some economics articles? Would be less embarrassing than regurgitating old 2000s era American politics."}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>192\n>AID\nWe weren't discussing foreign aid and again there is no source for your screencap, it's a Twitter post."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>193\n>log scale\nLol. Same data as my graph btw."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>143\nHoly fuck you're a naive race-blind moron. Neams are dangerous third-world ferals and you favor them over your own fellow whites?"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsrael.\n>>38\nIt’s not one drop but there is definitey a rule. If you are mixed and call yourself white, people will laugh at you, even if they try to hide it."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>196\n>Same data as my graph btw.\nNo it's not, as African GDP per capita has increased on my chart."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>195\nYou just keep sealioning like the double digit coping child you are, I'll just keep posting hard data and sources.\nhttps://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.ODA.ALLD.CD?locations=LR\nhttps://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=LR"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>200\n>I got BTFO about my claims so I'm gonna cherrypick individual countries\nIf you want to cherrypick you will lose at that game, too."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>198\nThe rule is lengthed chromosomes and unmatched alleles. Mixed race, even drop of tar, people are barely human due to how dysgenic they are. Pure Africans (true Africans, not American mutts) are much more healthy than any mutt even if that mutt is 99% European"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>197\nYes. Because I’m not a fucking dipshit incel loser who gets a fight-or-flight response at the mere sight of an interracial couple."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>202\n>The rule is lengthed chromosomes and unmatched alleles.\nWhat are you talking about. There is no such thing.\nDon’t reply to me with schizo crap."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>201\n>Wow, the country that still allows Imperialism-like with a White woman in charge of the president.\n\nAnyway I've been there and it's a shithole. The difference is unlike SA they were never built up much under colonialism to begin with.\n\nAnyway, go enjoy importing migrants and spreading racism in your home country."}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>205\n>with a White woman in charge of the president.\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? This is the President of Botswana\n\n>Anyway I've been there\nSure you were."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>204\nHAHAHAHA, mixed raced mutt having a meltdown realising he has unstable chorosomes reflected in his phenotype. You will never be as beautiful as a true African. You're probably not even Bantu and have some Songhai mutt genes to begin with.\n\nMust suck for identity crisis mutts to learn about molecular genetics."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>203\nHe’s right on that, though. The only people who are color blind are whites. Black, mixed or Asian people always take note when one of their family members date white people, for example, usually seeing that as a victory (not always in the case of blacks). Similarly, shunning children for dating certain groups is also common. And this happens pretty much everywhere. Colonial societies, european migrant communities, east asia, etc."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>206\nDunbass the longest running presidenr during prosperity was married to a White women.\n\nWhy do you pretend to know anything about Africa? GTFO this thread stupid Amerimutt nigger."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>201\nisnt botswana a unique case because theyre very rich in natural resources?"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>209\n>Dunbass the longest running presidenr during prosperity was married to a White women.\nHow is this relevant? We are entering schizo levels of delusion. You are also talking about a guy who died in 1980 yet the economy has kept growing after that point."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>208\n>Black, mixed or Asian people always take note when one of their family members date white people, for example, usually seeing that as a victory (not always in the case of blacks).\nTrue, Blacks are the only ones that have pride.\n\nAlso though, it's only when the women is white, they absolutely seethe and/or honour kill when it's a White man dating and Asian/Nafri."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>210\nBotswana isn't rich, it's an undeveloped cattlefarm.\n\nObviously you grow a bit when you start from nothing then get turn 2 cattleheads into 4."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>210\nIt's one of the most succesful cases, helped by the fact that it has a shitton of diamonds. Namibia is another country that is pretty decent, not just in economic growth but also free press, low corruption, etc."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>212\nSome blacks like it as well. I’ve had a professor talk positively of his son and daughter for marrying whites to “bleach the family”.\n>Also though, it's only when the women is white\nNah this happens with the daughters as well. The owner of a restaurant I used to go to was lebanese and he always tried to push his daughter on me, for example. With asians, it’s even more common. The only group that seems to shun whites in specific are some blacks. I have heard of east asian parents giving their children crap for dating blacks or southeast asians, but I have never found any statistic about this, whereas for the other groups, it’s not that hard to find after a quick google."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>214\nAfrica doesn't have natural wealth and this is a harmful myth to keep propoganda because it makes the politics revolve around dumb unsustainable petrostate-like policies, except for minerals."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>215\nYou're American I guess, it's the opposite racism in Europe."}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>6\nThe Reconquista converted swarthy North Africans, Jews, Berbers, Moors, literal Black Africans and Arabs to Christianity and Spain was never pure again."}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>58\n>the UK becomes an Afro-Indian-Pakistani mutt colony\nThat's only fair, as these places used to be UK colonies."}, {"id": 220, "content": "John Ball, proto-Protestant Lollard (Anglo, 1300s)\n>When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?\nCromwell (Anglo, 1600s)\n>I tell you we will cut off his head with the crown upon it\nJosiah Wedgwood (Anglo, 1700s), creator of the Antislavery Medallion depicting a black slave with the inscription\n>Am I Not a Man and a Brother?\n\nwhat's the problem anglos? This is the future your people have been asking for for almost a millennium. God's equality is finally being realized! The values of fringe Protestant extremists are now the bread and butter of global morality. Your thirst for true equality obviously necessitates that you will no longer exist as a racial collective, but what's the problem with that. Nobility and Kingship are meaningless constructs, race is just another meaningless construct to be thrown on the pyre!\n>this is the future you chose"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe copts in Egypt just converted to Islam, learned Arabic and mixed with sudanese slave women, they didn't got replaced."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>25\nMexicans are a pathetic and self hating mongrel race. They think that they will gain white approval by attacking blacks."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>16\n>than the literal 1% genetic difference between two given people (yes, all this haploautism boils down to a literal 1% variation)\nThere's only 4% variation between a human being and a pig you dipshit"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>16\n>only white people are this autistic about race\nProbably bait but I have legitimately seen brownoids get extremely upset about Whites claiming that they \"don't see color\", saying that this actually perpetuates racism. They want the race grift to go on forever. They are far more obsessed."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>60\n>Lets not forget that Arabs are the most racist humans in Western Eurasia as they did a genetic displacement that eradicates the original semitic MENA people from existence\nOnly happened in your imagination, arabization have always been cultural, not a replacement of population."}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>176\n>denying basic welfare and assistance,\nNobody in the US had \"basic welfare and assistance\" except what was provided by friends and family until the 1930s, when FDR created the modern welfare state in the US. Since then blacks have been vastly over-represented among welfare beneficiaries. They are the single most assisted demographic in the US."}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>217\nNo. I’m from Brazil and have lived 1/3rd of my life in Europe. And I don’t which which racism you are talking about for there to be an opposite of it."}, {"id": 228, "content": "I think the threat of actual blacks are overstated, they cannot feed themselves without welfare. If and when the economy collapses, so will their total population…assuming some whites don’t intervene. A latino majority would do the bare minimum as the blacks collapse.\n\nThe real threat to whites are simply whites refusing to breed. Probably why mossad focuses so much of their agitprop on demoralizing white men"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>215\nIt’s a net negative for whites but usually a positive for blacks. They get a relative with better outcomes in all areas and higher IQs. The real problem with mixing is that blacks are hilariously bad at maintaining families, hence why mixed kids become failures 95% of the time while the others in real stable families do much better"}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>228\n>they cannot feed themselves without welfare\nOne month worth of rice is only worth 10 bucks, anyone can survive those days even with an iq of 70."}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>230\nYea because blacks are famous for their thrifty survival instinct…and not throwing a murderous riot when Popeyes runs out of food"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>37\nIf Brazil was a person, they would be 62,4%, white, 22,6% African and 14,7% Native. We say everyone is mixed and has black blood here but the other way around also applies, it's incredibly hard finding someone who has no white blood. Most of our niggers here are actually pardos, but as >>37 and >>38 said, we go by phenotype and pardos identify more with niggers anyways. I know 62,4% isn't enough to be considered white but there you have it\n>t. uni thesis included the autosomal composition of the Brazilian population"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>232\n>If Brazil was a person, they would be 62,4%, white, 22,6% African and 14,7% Native\nPress “X” to doubt. All genetic studies in Brazil are batshit retarded with awful sampling techniques. They made a study in my state (Ceará) and it said that the most common ancestry through the population was scandinavian, with something like 40% of the total ancestry. If you have ever been here or know anything about it’s people and history, you will know that that is clearly a joke."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>233\nYeah that's why I said white instead of Iberian, Scandinavian, Balkanic or whatever other groups there are\n>the most common ancestry through the population was scandinavian\nWhat the hell? I'd understand if it was Santa Catarina or Rio Grande do Sul but fucking Ceará? Maybe it has something to do with Dutch colonisation or maybe the samples and references from the study were low quality. Do you have a link?"}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>219\nbut the brits never displaced those peoples demographically"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>226\nYes, and they faced many, many barriers to accessing it - as well as numerous other problems like building public infrastructure in their communities. States like Colorado and Oregon did everything they could to drive Blacks out, including Oregon making it a felony offense for a Black person to enter the state - in their state constitution. How, then, could Blacks take advantage of policies like homesteading? Entire Black towns were wiped out in Colorado during the early 20th century, their populations driven back east.\n>They are the single most assisted demographic in the US.\nLol\nThat would be white women bro"}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>236\n>Black\n>B\nWhy do you do this?"}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>216\nIt is because Africa's economy is so small that even the pitiful amount of raw material they can extract makes up a huge portion of it, at least relative to other countries.\nAlso people like to include biodiversity and protected areas as part of the value. All of Africa's tourism industry, for example, could be considered part of its natural abundance."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>234\n>What the hell?\nYup. Not even counting iberian, which should obviously be the highest european admixture, followed by italian and french. The cope answer they came up was literally \"we wuz vandalz, suevis, visigoths n sheit\"\n> Maybe it has something to do with Dutch colonisation or maybe the samples and references from the study were low quality\nIt's 100% a problem with the sampling. While Ceará is whiter than most other states in the northeast (only marginally, but with a considerably higher mixed and native/lower african admixture), it was only under dutch control for a very short amount of time and was mostly a backwaters. Almost no one lived here up to the 18th century, unlike pernambuco, bahia, etc.\n>Do you have a link?\nIt's a book called \"O Cearense Revelado: uma jornada via DNA desvenda nossa ancestralidade\". I dont have a pdf nor have I bothered to read it as it visibly bullshit. All I know about it comes from the 2 gorillion newspaper articles made about it back when it came out. Maybe its not that bad and the journalists straight up lied, but I'm not going to waste my time to find out. Just google \"ceara ancestralidade escandinava\" on google and you will see a ton of articles about it."}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>208\nAntisemitism in Europe lasted for almost two millennia, doesn't mean it's right."}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>64\n>mohammed hijab\nkek\nhe's a meme"}, {"id": 242, "content": "OI"}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>239\n>\"we wuz vandalz, suevis, visigoths n sheit\"\nThis is just disingenuous. Surely they should know germs were a tiny minority even during the Suebi/Visigoth kingdom times, but what can you expect?\nI searched what you mentioned but could only find cope about \"GPS-DNA Origins Ceará\" erasing nigs and natives from history or something like that"}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>243\nYeah, that's the study. Have never been able to see it, though."}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>3\nEngland. The rest of the UK will be fine."}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>244\nIs it strange that I couldn't find this book for sale anywhere on the internet? I couldn't even find the ISBN or any other means of identification other than the title and the author's name"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>63\n>Hey guess what, there are majority black cities in the US, and they don’t eat hyena brains there.\nI live in Baltimore, it's an absolute third-world war zone here, and it's only getting worse. In fact, it's starting to leak out to the surrounding counties. The city literally fucking pays for black residents to move out into the county. You have no idea what you're talking about.\n\nThe worst part is the remaining white people will literally blame themselves when they get mugged or raped or assaulted and refuse to call the police because \"noooo that's racist\"\n>inb4 (You) accuse me of lying"}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>86\n>Pretending France has anything in common culturally with Germany is the litmus test for morbidly obese diabetic mutts who never ever set foot outside the Bible belt.\nFrench and German cultures have nothing in common? What kind of retardation is this?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Though the solution is simple, homelessness exists in every time period. Why is that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe JEW has cuckolded people too much to simply murder human parasites."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the solution is simple\nWhat is it then?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "there is no simple solution though\nthats like asking why cockroaches still exist even though they are so easy to squash with your foot"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nConcentration camps."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe State should only care about the populace's wellbeing insofar as their wellbeing benefits the State. Nothing more."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhy is everything and every solution \"GENOCIDE, DOMINATE, ENSLAVE\" with you niggers? Are you so mentally retarded that you literally can't produce an idea that doesn't involve justifying killing people?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>homelessness exists in every time period\nDoes it? Every time period where?\n\n>>3\n>>4\nYou can just provide housing, its not hard\n\n>>6\nWhat is the state? Why does it exist? Why should it do that?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no homelessness in chinese cities, because they make it illegal. Its that simple. Arrest the bums, throw them in jail."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Discourage nuclear families and encourage extended families living together. Jew won't allow it tho because they would make less money."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>don't give a shit about the peasants\n>they all get together and overthrow your state\nmany such cases"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Easily 80% of homeless people are batshit insane and/or fiending junkies\n\n10% are assholes who burned their bridges with EVERYONE who would have ever helped them, and don’t mind sleeping outside in the dirt\n\n10% are normal people who got super unlucky\n\nt. former working homeless"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nI'm not going to say every homeless person has the same issues, blah blah. But many of them do not want to help themselves in any way. If someone does not want to help themselves it shouldn't be on society to try to help them because it won't work."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nBecause that's the answer to everything"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>What is the state?\nThe people who own the ground you walk on.\n>Why does it exist?\nNature demands hierarchy.\n>Why should it do that?\nThe duty of the State is to defend its claim of land and Rule the people who live within it.\n>>11\nIf a gaggle of starving peasants can overtake an Army, that's called incompetence."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nHelp themselves how? Get a 3rd job?\n\n>>15\nThat doesn't explain shit and sounds unequivocally bad"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nhow did you get out of it"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>f a gaggle of starving peasants can overtake an Army, that's called incompetence.\nWhat do you think the army is comprised of? People whose lives are going well?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nPeace Corps."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>That doesn't explain shit\nYou replied to a post with four points. I'd like to know which one \"that\" is.\n>sounds unequivocally bad\nGood thing no one asked you, then.\n>>18\nInfinitely better than whatever suicide-by-proxy cult motivates itself to \"take action\" against them."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Infinitely better than whatever suicide-by-proxy cult motivates itself to \"take action\" against them.\nOr the soldiers decide that the new regime will treat them better than the old one which squanders their lives without even pretending to care about them"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nThe army overwhelmingly middle class. Most Cletuses, Edgars, and Tyrones are too fat, dumb, or criminal to join."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nThen it's a good thing that war will be dealt with quickly, and those traitors won't see the outside of the courtroom for the rest of their short lives."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nwas it the fun, wholesome, community building experience they claim it is?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nMiddle class and urban literati are the ones with the money and connections to actually pull it off and are the ones who form the core of the officer class, usually against richfags and their vast horde of welfare NEETs that they use to clinch power but lack the motivation to fight beyond mere bribery. Your average grunt is a poorfag who joined the army because it was his ticket out of crippling rural poverty\n\n>>23\nSome revolutions are bloody, messy, drawn out affairs, others can turn into devastating brother wars that permanently fuck the country. Some are simply runs on the capital. A country can only ignore its citizens well-being for so long before it boils over"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Some revolutions are\nYes, yes, and how many of those were against an Army with predator drones?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWarfare always changes and generals tend to get good at fighting the last war but never the next one. Especially insurgencies which don't have hard targets like a conventional confrontations between great powers but simply have to inflict enough political pain to outlast their occupiers' will to fight"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nI liked my village. Life moved slow and steady. A few folks cried when I left. One kid carved me a wooden hippo. Walked away with fluent Kinyarwanda, student loans forgiven, teeth fixed, federal hiring preference, and my then-girlfriend-now-wife."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nHow do you end up going from the streets to Rwanda? Are they particularly picky/strict when it comes to the Peace Corps?\n\nCongrats on everything btw, that sounds like a crazy fucking journey."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>15\n>Nature demands hierarchy."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>outlast their occupiers' will to fight\nSo again, the \"revolution\" will be short lived and only go untelevized because it ended before the cameras could turn on.\n>>30\nWell, you sure bested me. Never have I seen an image of someone who looks mildly ridiculous be used to so elegantly dismantle someone's point. Profound. Please, allow me to cite this moment in my next scientific paper regarding the nature of anonymized discourse."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n\nSeethe."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nNo no no, please, take your winnings at the door and strut down the red carpet with your entourage as applause and camera flashes see you to your limousine."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nUsed an old coworker’s address for home of record. Sorted medical, legal, and passport. Plane ticket issued. Suddenly in Kigali like “Fuck, this is real. I’m actually doing it. I’m on the other side of the fucking world. Fuck.”. Linked up with my training classmates at the airport and we met our host families.\n\nMost volunteers have at least a bachelors. You don’t need one though. We had tradies and a few fresh high school grads with stateside volunteer experience under their belts. They even took non-violent felons, but they had to have an amazing redemption story.\n\nWorking in the intelligence community in any capacity will get you a HARD no. Kennedy started the PC partly to shut up claims about all American aid being cover for spies."}, {"id": 35, "content": "In my country (the Uk) you can find countless services and hostels to house homeless people. Then you apply for a council house. It probably won’t be great but a grotty house is better than sleeping outside right?\n\nThe issue is that\n\n>drug use is not allowed in these places or services and a ton of homeless are drug addicts\n\nWhat are they supposed to do? Start letting people shoot heroin in group homes?\n\n>a massive amount of homeless are mentally ill\n\nUsually not enough to be violent because that means they’d get arrested and be housed in prison. But mentally ill enough they do anti social stuff like shitting in a sink that would get them kicked out. And mental health sectioning isn’t allowed unless you’re bad enough you’re a direct harm to yourself or others. So the homeless who aren’t suicidal or agressive are just suck outside"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>homelessness exists in every time period.\nsource for this information?\n(voluntary solitude, nomadic life or ascetic life are not homeless.)"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>it's not real homelessness if you choose to be homeless"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo scare the shit out of the middle class so they keep wage slaving"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>7\nThey should be sent to camps. What happens after that? Who cares. Why do you love worthless parasites so much?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>7\n>>5\nI don’t understand it either. Is your perfect utopia just everyone less than perfect dying and burning to death. God knows half of this website, even the ones advocating for this stuff would die also. Also you guys always criticize blacks or whoever else for being to violent then say stuff like this constantly. It’s just childish, dumb, and low IQ. No thought put in. To much anger stresses the mind, God knows that"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\nPeace corps just seems like the generic benefits of military without the drawbacks. travel the world, no guilty conscience from war, job with no prior experience needed, and I think early retirement age. If I’m right then why don’t most people that join the military just for the generic benefits and a job just join peace corps"}, {"id": 42, "content": "Because national, provincial, and municipal governments generally have better things to do than round up drug addicts and the mentally/emotionally infirm and place them in institutions or use them as corvee labor. Though it's the ideal solution given that at least 75% of the homeless population would be unable to care for themselves in a conventional manner even if provided the resources for it, the whole \"human rights\" and \"personal freedoms\" thing combined with the associated costs of tucking away the worst of the lot and caring for them makes it a solution we'll never see. The only folks radical enough to enforce vagrancy laws of that level generally just prefer to exterminate the homeless instead."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>16\nfirst retard ITT"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nRent free"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNothing he said is wrong"}, {"id": 3, "content": "burn alive"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nFound another ignoramus."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIt never ceases to amaze me how much people of protestant background will cuck for muslims at the expense of the Church..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Till's mother decided to hold an open casket funeral so the world could see just what had been done to her son.[3]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "did they have multiple funerals in a gold casket like another notable worthless negro criminal?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "buck broken"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou are a deranged individual"}, {"id": 5, "content": "It was about state's rights"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDusty crusty nigga who died 100 years ago\n>NOO not my sacred ancient NIGGA BOI"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">inb4 /pol/ defends the brutal beating death of a child"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nniggers aren't human"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNiglets grow up to be full blown niggers."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nImagine expecting me to care about human detritus"}, {"id": 11, "content": "The only 14 year olds who deserve to be brutally beaten to death are the /pol/tards in this thread."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>anyone who disrespects my black kangz gots ta be from /pol/!\nCope and seethe."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis right here is exactly why #BelieveWomen is a terrible idea"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nwhen did zoo enclosures get wifi?"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Thats fucked up bro. Didn't they know its racist to punish Blacks for their misbehavior?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>Woman makes up lie in modern day about being Sexually assaulted\n>The accused has their life ruined\n>/pol/ incels lose their mind, proclaim all women are whores and do this exact same thing\n>Woman claims black kid raped her 100 years ago\n>Whites bypass the entire justice system and just kill him. Why do we even have one if you can just be killed on the basis of allegations?\n>/pol/ incels go well he was black so he deserved to die on those grounds alone\nFor how much you claim other groups of people are demons destroying the world, you sure love to justify people literally being killed based on immutable features."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>worship my monkeys RIGHT NOW or you're from /pol/"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\ndead niggers are le bad?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Everyone who isn't an overt racist calling for the death of black people must be a nigger worshiper. There are no other reasons why you could think this event was bad."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\n>complains that people speak history on /his/"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe point of /his/ is to discuss history. This is salon.com racebait"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>being a rapist is an immutable feature of Blacks\nso true!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nYeah you are and I hope they catch you using that word and beat you to death."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nMy response was that I do not care. Nigger boy could have been an angel and I still wouldn't give a rat's ass. I won't care as long as niggers can murder white children and be ignored by the national media for it. You expect me to care about a nigger murdered in 1955. You have white guilt and are angry at those in this thread who do not. You even have to cope about anons being from /pol/ because they aren't crying about a nigger that died decades ago. Go be a jewish activist elsewhere. We simply do not believe blacks are entitled to our sympathy while they rape, rob, kill, and assault whites at exponentially higher rates than vice versa and no one says anything about it. This is pretty much their most detestable trait. Because they have smaller numbers they are used to being coddled by whites but feel no obligation to extend the same kindness."}, {"id": 25, "content": "BELIEVE ALL WOMEN UNLESS THE RAPIST IS BLACK THEN DONT BELIEVE THEM AT ALL\n\nI genuinely hate white progressives pathologically at this point"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>11\nBlacks do this sort of deranged shit to each other all the time yet you dont say anything about it or even try to reduce it all you do is ignore it and pretend it doesnt even exist."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nIts not white guilt, its white moral narcissism he like all shitlibs are lunatics who think they are heroes in some kind of stupid fictional story against the dark side(republicans). These people are genuine lunatics who need to be institutionalized."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nBecause niggers only kill and way other niggers because of white racism"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>8\n>>9\n>>10\nWhat the fuck is wrong with you?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nNigger fatigue"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nThat is complete nonsenes why the fuck would white racism make blacks kill each other savagely, wouldnt blacks care more aboutblack human life if they gave one fuck about the effects of white racism in reality?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nThe thing is, the claim wasn't even that he raped her. The claim was that he flirted with her. Regardless of if he did flirt with her not, you can see how thats a retarded reason to kill someone right?I guess that means we should kill every incel who flirts with a woman now because the woman said so."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nIts hard to feel sorry for black lynch victims when you know how awful and evil blacks are each other in the US on a daily basis and the fact blacks do not seem to care about this. Like right now some black thug was trying to break into the home of an old white guy he shot him now old white guy is getting charged, white idiots are outraged yet silent on the four black psychopaths that driveby shot up a party they were at 2 days ago."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nWhat sort of feminist are you? Why are you against sexual harassers being killed of a sudden if they are black? You racist piece of shit BLACK SUPREMACIST PIECE OF SHIT"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nI'll let the blacks mourn their own. Less than a half percent of them are worth a damn"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nWhat a truly retarded response. Where did I indicate that I was a feminist? But even if I was, A, unwanted flirting doesn't warrent dying in literally any case. B, it certainly doesn't mean kidnap a kid and murder him."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nYou are obviously a progressive thus a feminist yet support male sexual harassment in its purest form if the predator is black, I hate people like you acting like you have any sort of moral compass when you are just ruthless ideological demons who will stop at nothing to get your insanity through"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Why does every single thread on /his/ involving black people devolve into this"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>WHY CANT YOU CHUDS JUST WORSHIP BLACKS PEOPLE LIKE ME\n>IT IS COMPLETELY SANE TO DEFEND AND SPEAK OF THE GLORY OF A RACE OF HUMANS WHO WOULD GLEEFULLY MURDER ME FOR NO EXPLAINED REASON SIMPLY BECAUSE IM A WHITE CRACKER ASS CRACKER AS THEY CALL IT\n>YOU ARE THE BAD PERSON IM THE GOOD GUY SO IM RIGHT\n\nPlease kill yourself no I got a better idea drive up to Chicago right now"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>I think it's pretty evil that they killed this kid for allegedly flirting with this woman. If it was a prosecutable crime, it should have been dealt with in the courts. That'd be pretty fucked up if it happened to anyone else\n>NOOOOOO YOURE A EVIL LEFT WING PROGRESSIVE IT SHOULD BE OKAY TO KILL PEOPLE WHO ARENT LIKE ME OVER MINOR SLIGHTS\nholy fuck you guys are unhinged. I thought black people were supposed to be the demonic force here."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nWho are you quoting?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis corpse was bloated and discolored due to being in the water, not from the beating."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nThey killed him to send a message to blacks to dont even think about trying to charm white women just fuck your women stay away from ours thats what his death really meant. Is that wrong? I dont care if its wrong because I dont care about black people."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>fearmongering about black people wanting to kill white people\n>all while approving of black people being murdered\nLiteral animal behavior"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>4\nTouch grass, troon."}, {"id": 46, "content": "/pol/tranny thread."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>Black people and minorities are evil!\n>But minor things that wouldn't effect me are the most heinous things that could happen so that makes killing them right\nI can't wait for judgement day. God has reserved Hell for people like you."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nThey are a scourge of society so yes"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nYou know who approves of black murder? You do because you progressive nutjobs are the reason this rap bullshit exists so fuck off trying to act like your the moral person you deranged nutjob you people cant fucking function if you arent the heroes"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nMurderers and mob violence do not belong in a civil society, and no society may claim itself to be civil if it tolerates either. Stormfags are social outcasts."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\nThey aren't people, they aren't deserving of the same rights and protections"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>Murderers and mob violence do not belong in a civil society,\nExcept when they are black, literally look at Chicago right now you progressive piece of shit"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\nWe are the the point where we dont care about how we morally look anymore and its all thanks to you making blacks above the law allowing them to act as evil as possible in America you caused this remember that. Black criminals are treated more sanely in fucking african countries compared to America where they are given the kiddy glove treatment because muh slavery horseshit, you progressives are fucking insane realize that you are fucking insane"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>42\nEven before decomposition began he'd have been pretty messed up. He was severely beaten, one eye was gouged out, and he was shot in the head with a shotgun."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nDoes Jesus tell you to be subhuman nigger wastes of space?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">African prisons full of people\nWho gives a shiet\n>American prisons only 30% black\nTHIS IS A TRAGEDY SO MANY PEOPLE OF COLORED ARE BEING UNFAIRLY JAILED(THEY COMMITED BLACK ON BLACK CRIME THEY ARE GENUINELY EVIL SCUM YOU FUCKING LIBERAL GARBAGE!) WE MUST CHANGE THE LAWS AND EVEN NEUTER HOW THE POLICE CAN ARREST BLACK PEOPLE AND ONLY BLACK PEOPLE SO WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PRECIOUS CHOCOLATE GODS IN PRISONS(LETS IGNORE THE FACT THIS WILL ENDANGER AN UNCOUNTABLE NUMBER OF BLACK LIVES FOR YEARS TO COME)"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>>55\nLmao this is a good one look at how the shitlib preaches Christianity but refuses to force blacks to act christian aka not act lots of self destructive crime and their highly degenerate sexual culture too. Oh no no the blacks can do whatever they want but you the white the dreaded racist white you better behave or else!"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nThese pieces of shit love criminals more than their victims. Stay the fuck away from their hellholes and especially their monkey pets."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>8\nWhy do you hate blacksmith so much? Have you had any interactions with them Irl that weren’t completely superficial?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nWhy do you like blacks so much? Be honest cuck"}, {"id": 61, "content": "This thread is a lost cause"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY ATTEMPT TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL ABOUT MUH BLACK GODS FAILED\n\nAhem\nI am a progressive lunatic whos mission is to spread propaganda to generate anti white hatred by creating a bulllshit racist white people narrative. Since whites are too well behaved right now we must cope and resort to using ancient shit like these lynchings to paint whitey as the aggressor is racial confrontations when in reality this is horseshit oh I know its horseshit I just pretend I dont because I enjoy making racist doubt themselves muahahahahahaha. Remember black lives matter black lies matter and my need to appear as a savior matters the most in the omniverse."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI see you LBJfag."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nNice blogpost"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nSo true, negroids arent humans.\nI am trans, btw."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDeserved it."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>62\nHoly shit\nOP cannot recover from this"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nBased tranny, you'll be forcefully detransitioned last"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">believe all women\n>nooooo not like that"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>29\nGenetically speaking it's a fact. Blacks are as genetically distant from whites as coyotes are from wolves. The only reason blacks are classified as the same species is political correctness. But AI isn't fooled."}, {"id": 71, "content": "FACT: 90% of threads about the civil rights movement or historical racial injustices in America are LBJfag spam"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>32\nHe tried to rape her. The little nigger came into the store when it was closed, grabbed her and said he fucked white women before. Her husband and brothers found out and went after the nigger and the little shitape talked smack and goaded them. In other words he was a nigger acting like a nigger."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nThe gud boi also had a violent reputation to start with"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nIf this is true, it makes for another reason I don't care about this shit or Tulsa. They are obviously manipulated stories featuring cartoonishly evil whites"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nI mean, we've reached the point where random anons are more reliable than the billion dollar mainstream media"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>59\n>Why do you hate blacks so much?\nBecause they're stupid and violent."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nalso fact. the black business district in Tulsa was full of brothels and gambling dens; it was the city's vice hub"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nBut the trannies told me it was le Black Wall Street n shiet"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nBut is there a reliable non-jewish source on what actually happened between the blacks and whites there?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nIt's just like today where you have those certain kinds of skeevy white dudes who listen to rap and go down to black 'hoods to score dope or use prostitutes."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nhttps://www.amren.com/commentary/2021/06/the-tulsa-libel/"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nHey shitlib did you know that blacks are evil pedophiles? Yh thats right lots and lots and lots of underage black girls in american cities are actually sex slaves aka prostitutes forced to be prostitutes because of evil black males. Did you know that alot of underage black girls are human trafflicked across America too? Oh gasp thats so awful its so awful isnt it. Those poor black princesses suffering n shiet because yor a lunatic who refuses to treat blacks in a sane manner all of that suffering is your fault ahahahahahhaha"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nJesus christ I hate Biden"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nZombie Joe is a puppet his cabinet is the actual president of this hellhole"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nI know but he's such a shucking and jiving pandering old faggot"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDamn, America was fuck-up in the XIX cent-\n>this actually happened in the '950's\nDude, your country has no salvation, good luck with your future civil war"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nThanks jewish faggot"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>7\nI don't care much for rapists."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>whistling is rape"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nHe was 14 years old, even if he did rape her she was actually statutorily raping him."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nThose are laws for humans"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nHe grabbed and verbally threatened her. His father was a convicted rapist."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\nYou have like a 70 iq and just repeat everything you hear from the jews- I mean news. It's as if your \"brain\" is a large empty room only capable of echoing what it absorbs from tabloid journalists or paid propagandists on twitter you think are your friends. What you just posted seems to have come from a Family Guy joke I remember."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>86\nHe put he his hands on another man's woman and paid the price. Lynchings need to come back to maintain order in society"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: \"I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!”\nI don't get it."}, {"id": 2, "content": "dindu nuffin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The pistol that shot and killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914 thus starting World War I\nhttps://imgur.com/gallery/krM6E1q"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThats really neat. I love historical firearms, especially specific ones that are tied to historical events. Pic related was supposedly Hitlers Walther PPK, albeit I'm not sure if its the exact one he shot himself with."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What the fuck is a \"bone crunching machine\"?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits when you put a skeleton bone in a crafting table and get bone meal"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a bit self explanatory."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Which part are you struggling with dumb fuck?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "something like this.\nis this supposed to be an implicit 'haha le holohoax so le wacky xD' thread or something? go back to the masturbation machines from that random 2004 australian book nobody's ever heard of."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Pic very much related. The clothing of the time period looks beyond goofy but the armor present was so finely crafted that it makes up for it. Speaking of which, why did European clothing get uglier over time? The migration era trouses, linen shirt, tunic, boots and legwraps were peak kino."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The clothing of the time period looks beyond goofy\nStopped reading there."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSorry anon but the hosen + frilly shirts is gay as fuck. The early medieval period mogs it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the erasmian \"pronounciation\" still a thing? It's literally just how someone would read Greek if they only knew how to read latin (in their respective language). Tsakonian, Cypriot and Pontic disproves it. Greekaboos literally claiming the language at times and calling modern/medieval pronounciations wrong, which medieval would have to be influenced by Latin itself. Like what the fuck.\n\nDon't get me wrong, there were differences mostly in vowels. But they didn't speak Latingreek in ancient times."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Jewish intelligence is a standard deviation above the rest of the population, how can we say they are the problem? How do we know Jewry isn't correlated with high IQ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWHite Jews are higher than the average global population, but IQ is not the only factor that makes us hate them. They have a certain wickedness and neuroticism at the core of their race, combined with a cultural imperative to pit goyim against one another, combined with being one of the only races that can openly practice nationalism.\n\nMENA Jews are mid tier intelligence, like about the ballpark of Armenians and Bosnians."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh IQ correlates with suicidal ideation, ethnomasochism, and homosexuality"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSource?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\ni made it up but its probably true just think about it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you talked with a jew? They are retards."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Jews are not a standard deviation above the White mean IQ."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI believe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "SALVE MVNDVS FORA. NOS HIC LOQVVM LATINA SOLVS. ANOMA 10 EST. DIE BELLVS IN ROMANVS MEA CONSERVVS PATRICA"}, {"id": 2, "content": "FORA HISTORIVM SOLVS PLEBIANVM EST????"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking, was China in the right for kicking out the dalai lama to india?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, Tibetans have always been inhuman insects aka Chinese."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">kicking out\nhe fled after backing a failed rebellion, actually sneaked out of the country. China never pronounced a formal sentence of exile on him or anything (and would probably let him back in if he accepted Chinese sovereignty over Tibet)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou mean Communist control of Tibet's religion! China wants the government to appoint the next Dalai Lama, they want to appoint Catholic bishops, they've always feared and despised religion because it's a parallel society, and they want to be the only authority that matters and they don't want any competing voices, even when they're not competing. They're so insecure and brittle that they can't stand any criticism at all!"}, {"id": 5, "content": "china eat dog"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>You mean Communist control of Tibet's religion\nControl? Bitch please, there is no need to control a primitive Aztec tier human sacrifice cult. I don't want to control these mountain niggers, I want to completely eradicate their backwards subhuman way of life"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nCHINA EAT DOG\nEAT\nDOG"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nFound the buttmad diasporoid"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Haven't seen a true crime thread here yet so thought I'd make one. Feel free to post pictures, interesting facts, anything about true crime. Older cases preferred due to rules.\n\nI'll start, did you know that the leader of the Chicago Ripper Crew, Robin Gecht, worked for John Wayne Gacy as a teenager?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "BTK at a random wedding"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat happened to that one dude that would make big threads detailing a murders life? He posted last week I think but I don’t think I’ve seen him since. Quality poster. I just wished he posted his sources maybe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What does /his/ think about him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think law is integrity is broadly correct"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Multiple churches in my town have that \"progress lgbtqia\" flag out front. Who is doing this? Is this because women are running the churches and men don't even bother going anymore?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Also picrel"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Also forgot to mention it's a Lutheran church"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestern world is almost fully atheist, you are seeing shade the oak where Judas hung himself on, which is betrayal of Christ, falling on west while the sun is rising from east."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Liberal/progressive Christianity had a big moment in the civil rights era and they're constantly trying to recapture it. They are reactionary against the majority moderate to conservative christian public and engaged in a purity spiral with one another to see who can be most militantly pro-woman, pro-gay, pro-trans, and I'm afraid pro-pedophile is next.\n\nAs the moderates have left and died out, and the seminaries move further and further away from their mission, those that remain continue to push \"left\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion is cherry picked to suit people's biases. The bible says slavery is ok and conservative christians reject that so why can't liberal christians reject the line about faggots? You're all just making it up as you go along."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe dont call them christKEKS for no reason"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIt's actually disgusting to me to see, I would never worship in a place like that. Makes me want to simply study the Bible myself and with a few other like minded people\n\nI mean look at the \"alleluia\" with a whispy heart after it. \"All are welcome here\" It's classic doublespeak, clearly they will kick out anyone who doesn't accept that pro-woman, pro-lgbt, etc. agenda you brought up"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n\"i allow you to do that as long as you follow my guidelines\" doesnt mean \"you should do that\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's because FROMsoft games (Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring) would have looked better on id tech.\nAnd all America produces now is gay source engine games or unreal.\nAnd if they do make an id tech game, then it has gay agenda in it to \"fight the nazies\" because the nazies included gays in the groups they holocausted.\nAs if God suddenly changed sides during WW1&2 because Hitler targetted gays and relented and God said \"My spirit now pities Sodom and Gammorah. I repent of calling homosexuality an abomination.\"\nYeah, good one.\nEven Quake Wars insides of laboratories and factory buildings begin to look kind of like the insides of Black Mesa with tinier spaces and railings and pipes on the walls and the ceiling.\nAnd the new space marines are named after the UN, the Global Defense Force. What happened? In Quake 2 they were simply the United States Marines. A fictitional version of our country's marines acting as Trump's Space Force. Oh right, id software didn't make this one. It was a company called Splash Damage that did it.\nJust like Ravensoftware did Quake IV (4) which gave the strogg more effeminate looking plastic surgeon skin grafts. I liked the older original quake 2 and quake 1 units, where the enemies took on more cyborg-like versions of aliens that have been twisted and grafted with an evil galactic machine that tries to kidnap animals and sentient beings from new worlds and churns their flesh into useful brain for its AI. Because the AI is dead and needs a host to drive its agenda. Which is what God warned about what happens when we sin, it causes sin to give birth to death. Death is the baby, like the strogg demons from hell. In Doom, it's where not only are we fighting cyborgs, but actual demons which are beings who have not only been grafted to machines of hell, now they are actually evolved and reproduce into their new machine-host blended organism. So you get giant brain spiders.\nI liked Carmack's Megatextures."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\ngood point"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWrong tab?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "God left Sinai, the place where he used to be that you have automatic encounters with him. Me? I'm eating good, too busy with God's purpose to bother learning whatever this even is. God will lead me when it is time to learn, tho"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's unironically 2SLGBTQIA+ now. Remember when typing stuff like that was just a joke?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey believe that by making concessions to the world, they will be loved by the world, and furthermore that, being thus loved, the love towards God will be rekindled in this age of widespread unbelief. They labor in vain. They simply don't understand that both God and the world feel disappointment at every concession."}, {"id": 16, "content": "They're getting desperate."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>Two-Spirit, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer or Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, and additional sexual orientations and gender identities.\nfunny how leftists claim that their enemies are irrational and immaterial while they claim a person with two souls exist. Reminder that this happens while souls doesnt exist.\nGender doesnt exist but transgenders exist.\nThere are multiple gender identities but bisexual is still \"bi\"\nand questioning is a sexuality\n>inb4 you use left as strawman\nleftists call themselves leftist and the majority of the right does not fight for LGBT rights. Meanwhile opposite is true for the left win politics."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\nWestern world is atheist*\nAnyone claims that Christianity is western thing is a retard from now on, it is African and Asian thing. There is no idea of Christendom, there is no HRE and Europe restored the ancient Europan order (pagan Roman-Germanic). Jacobins won, continental masonry won in Europe.\nEh, no matter what Christianity will live. I dont care if Europeans will go to hell or not at this point. Let them drown in their excrement."}, {"id": 19, "content": "if martin luther saw the modern church he would have kept his stupid mouth quiet"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did HIV become endemic to heterosexuals in Africa and nowhere else? The virus doesn't readily spread through vaginal intercourse."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The virus doesn't readily spread through vaginal intercourse.\nIt does, though. Anyway, these numbers have gone down quite a bit in the past decade, both due to deaths and successful prevention efforts."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHIV originates from Africa dumbass"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The virus doesn't readily spread through vaginal intercourse.\nThat's the 3rd leading cause of most cases. 2nd is contact with tainted blood and 1st is shared needles/puncture instruments.\nAfrica is a really terrible case all around. The Catholic church was still discouraging use of condoms as late as the 2000s and was seen as partially to blame for the disease spreading in majority Catholic regions. Then local superstitions regarding medicine just made it worse as some believed that intercourse with a virgin would cure them of the disease. Shit is just fucked."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nowhere else\nbro have you seen how bad it is in Eastern Europe, especially Russia"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the virus originates in Africa. Homosexual men are more sexually promiscuous compared to heterosexuals, which is why the virus more commonly infects homosexual men in the West"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nIt doesn't. That's 1960s pilpul to cover up for fags in San Francisco where it was first recorded. the homosexual SF man dubbed \"Patient Zero\" probably wasn't the first to contract the disease but he was the first patient to spread it there according to a case study by doctors in the US.\nAnyway this one queer in SF had sex with at last half of the 280 faggots found positive for HIV in that city alone with many others in LA as well. the original claims that he fucked a chimp are probably true since he frequented sketchy countries overseas and in the carribbean where that sort of shit is sold to sex tourists. Don't read up on it if you don't want to get absolutely blackpilled on fags.\n\nEven though the virus has been found in tissue samples from decades prior, most of those were from people doing field research or working close to primates where the virus originated."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe virus that HIV evolved from literally came from chimps in Africa"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's probably a combination of blacks being genetically prone to aids and engaging in \"down low\" homosexual sex which most of them do."}, {"id": 10, "content": "1. HIV comes from Africa.\n\n2. Polygamy. A few rich guys marry a ton of women and have tons of mistresses.\n\n3. Culture. The overwhelming majority of AIDS victims in Africa are Christians. Christianity is nowhere near as puritanical as Islam. But it also forbids the use of condoms."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nHe got it because fucked guys in Africa who had it, where the disease was already spreading."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHIV has been spreading in Africa since the 1920s, if not much earlier. It was already endemic we just had no idea what it was since people died regularly to a ton of jungle diseases constantly. Sexual promiscuity + poor sexual education + next-to-nonexistent healthcare + a civil war in every other country in any given decade (rape, especially war rape, being extremely common) = pandemic. While it may not transmit as easily from vaginal intercourse, rape and prostitution will often lead to wounds and sores in and around the vagina which means easier transmission."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nHe fucked guys who fucked guys who fucked Africans who had it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>Polygamy. A few rich guys marry a ton of women and have tons of mistresses.\nPolygamy doesn't make it spread more. If you mean people sleeping around that's more point 3."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nHe also fucked young underage boys, like most homosexuals."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did HIV become endemic to heterosexuals in Africa and nowhere else?\n\nThe easiest method of transmission for HIV is through breastfeeding and needle use. You can already imagine, but most of Africa's HIV is spread through breastfeeding- it's why humanitarian groups (besides obvious monetary incentives) try to get them to use formulae.\nHIV has also spread wildly in Africa due to superstition. Africans fear and distrust modern medicine and are more willing to believe a Sorcerer or a Witch Doctor who'll tell them that raping a virgin or eating the flesh of an albino will cure them.\n\nAlso:\n>The virus doesn't readily spread through vaginal intercourse.\n\nThis might come as a shock to you, OP, but women have buttholes too."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>This might come as a shock to you, OP, but women have buttholes too.\nI've seen a lot of lies spread on this website for the past nearly 20 years I've been here, but this one takes the cake."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt isn't. Russia is hit pretty hard by it."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>HIV has also spread wildly in Africa due to superstition. Africans fear and distrust modern medicine and are more willing to believe a Sorcerer or a Witch Doctor who'll tell them that raping a virgin or eating the flesh of an albino will cure them.\nIt's more that access to healthcare is really low or hard to get. that and HIV detection tools were only really widespread later on."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nWhy the fixation on underage boys?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBantus eating and fucking monkeys"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This was superior to any of the pussy ass shit the Aztecs built."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nova Mexico\n>Don't go to Mexico\nlmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": "None of that bullshit existed which is why you fags always post beaner fantasy drawings.\n\nMexico City was always just a church with adobe huts around it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat's literally a drawing of a church with adobe buildings around it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>gets flooded every rainy season"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were no other animals evolved to be able to use spoken language? Would neanderthals have been able to speak?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnimals CAN communicate with humans, they just don't do so verbally. Its pretty easy for a dog to tell you what they're thinking based on their body language, whether or not they want food, attention, for you to open a door for them.etc\n\nThe thing is that animals don't really need to know how to speak verbally, and to think they should is just anthrocentric thinking. Humans evolved to develop verbal communication because it was an effective way for our soft weak bodies to survive and cooperate while hunting on the African plains"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\nNot only this, but animals DO speak in a manner entirely befitting to them.\n\nRid yourself of the anthropocentric tendency, brother."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would neanderthals have been able to speak?\nYes, but their language probably wasnt as complex as homo sapien ones\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/news.2007.177"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Rid yourself of the anthropocentric tendency, brother."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthe article is paywalled but let me summarise:\nNeanderthals had FOXP2 gene which works as a transcriber. This gene not only linked to birds' ability to mimic sounds but also are responsible for human language development (Lai CS, Fisher SE, Hurst JA, Vargha-Khadem F, Monaco AP (October 2001). \"A forkhead-domain gene is mutated in a severe speech and language disorder\". Nature. 413 (6855): 519–23.). Neanderthals having implies that neanderthals could and probably did developed a language."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would they evolve to have spoken language if they evolved to speak in other ways? This is like asking why didn’t humans evolved to speak like monkies or whales. What an absurd and SILLY question to ask."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpeech is a function of abstract thinking (IE, equating two non related concepts as the same thing, a sound and a meaning). Humans simply have a more developed ability at abstract thinking and thus our communication is more complex. There are plenty of other animals that communicate with sounds, dolphins, whales, certain species of birds, all come to mind as having nearly human speech levels of audio communication. Humans merely use speech because it happens that our mouths and vocal chords are the easiest way for us to make all kinds of sounds. Our distant primate ancestors evolved vocal chords in order to communicate with sound because it was a strong adaption and increased the chances of survival. Animals may not specifically use speech, but they make use of whatever sound making method is available to them in order to communicate with sounds. Even really dumb animals communicate at least on some level via sound, even the smallest rodents.\n\nThe point is, animals almost universally develop the ability to communicate via sound to some degree because it improves chances at survival. The more intelligence you have, the more sounds you can make. At some point in intellectual evolution humans began abstracting meanings to sounds in order to encode information. Simple as.\n\nTl;dr, audio communication is natural for many animals and greater intelligence leads to more complex and abstract audio communication."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNeurotic insane Jews want to kill aryan children"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>we want to kill people\nwhy are they like this ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I’m waiting"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1\n>>2\nbrown"}, {"id": 5, "content": "America never should have let jews settle here"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNice Chinese flea market knife."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nReal KABAR"}, {"id": 8, "content": "If you want to kill nazis, die in battle and go to Valhalla, then you'll get to fight and kill old German soldiers to your hearts content, alongside commies, liberals, romans, barbarians, neanderthals, and all other men who died with bravery in their hearts.."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nOP was referring to Whites, not you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Throughout the Sino-Japanese war, many photos had been scattered in the Western world and used as evidence of the Nanking Massacre or of Japanese atrocities; however, the sources of these photos are all doubtful. For instance, one of the photos shows many dead bodies, but it only shows soldiers killed in battle. In another photo, a man in Japanese military uniform is swinging a sword down on the neck of a Chinese to execute him, but the way of the swinging is Chinese, not Japanese. This shows that the photo was a Chinese prearranged performance. In other photos, the direction of one man’s shadow is different from the others, which shows that the photo is a composite of multiple photos. There are many other contradictions in the photos.\n\nThe book, Analyzing the “Photographic Evidence of the Nanking Massacre—written by Professor Shudo Higashinakano, Susumu Kobayasi and Shinjiro Fukunaga (published by Soshisya in Tokyo in 2005) —analyzes all the alleged photos of the Nanking Massacre. It proves that there was no genuine photo that can be said to be evidence of the Nanking Massacre.\n\nIt is well-known that the Chinese military used to forge many photos using Chinese soldiers in Japanese military uniforms to stir up an anti-Japanese atmosphere among the Americans. The Chinese used this kind of forgery and unrelated photos posed as the evidence of cruelty of the Japanese many times before and during the Pacific War."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this shit again\nYour waifu isn’t real and even if she was she’d think you’re a faggot"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>incoherent insectile hissing"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>incoherent insectile hissing"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nEh.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do we know 300 000 Japs died in the Tokyo firebombing? For all we know it never happened. It's expected as Japs cant be honest about anything so they made up an event where exactly 300 000 of them died too, cause they can't be original"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do you reject a magic elephant in the sky but believe in a magic jew in the sky?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Jesus was a white man\nVishnu is an elephant man worshipped by Indians"}, {"id": 3, "content": "because i'm not indian\n>x in the sky\ngod is explicitly not a physical thing and only midwit atheists and retarded theists believe that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\n> \"There appeared in these our days a man, of the Jewish Nation, of great virtue, named Yeshua [Jesus], who is yet living among us, and of the Gentiles is accepted for a Prophet of truth, but His own disciples call Him the Son of God- He raiseth the dead and cureth all manner of diseases. A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh, but many have seen Him Weep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men.\"\n- Publius Lentullus"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\n>TO TIBERIUS CAESAR:\n\n>A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews -- not the poor but the rich and powerful.\n\n>...\n\n- Letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>using an the most obvious forgery possible as evidence for jew god\nchristcucks are delusional."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>It's forged\n>>Why?\n>Because it just is okay\nAcademia is a joke lmao\n\nWhy do you think there are so many depictions of Jesus as a White man even though they know he was born in the Middle East? Do you think everyone except you was retarded?\n\nThis image is the earliest known depiction of Jesus' face with his light goldish brown hair and grey eyes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>>Because it just is okay\nYeah, why is this letter that had no reference of existence until the 1500s serve as evidence for Jesus.\n>Jesus as a White man\ni dont give a shit if you think Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef was a white man. Hes imaginary so he can be whatever color you want."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nDude I'm a Christian but there's no reason to pretend Jesus was white. He was a Levantine Jew\n\nHis race shouldn't matter anyways"}, {"id": 10, "content": "This board really needed another atheist dilation thread"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nall forgeries, except the painting, which is a painting done by an artist 500 years after Jesus died."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nIt's a painting dated to the 3rd century"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nthats still 300 years."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIt's the earliest one extant that shows his face"}, {"id": 15, "content": "im a perennialist, they are the same thing to me"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nSo you believe in a magic jew you just object to him being in the sky?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nas much as you believe that a fish suddenly started to walk and evolved into humans because it felt like it"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nMeanwhile the Bible\n>For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nHicks that don’t get evolution are a national embarrassment"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nexcept i do believe in evolution\neverything sounds stupid if you choose to be reductive and don't even bother to understand the other perspective"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>Vishnu is an elephant man"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nthe big difference is that we have genetic proof of evolution"}, {"id": 23, "content": "This thread has made be realize why 99% of people absolutely despise whites and especially conservative whites. I wasted too much of my life feeling bad for \"reverse racism\" but at this point you subhumans deserve it and more"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThis"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nFor what? Being right?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGanesh isn't the supreme deity of Hinduism, that would be Brahma, who is identical to Yahweh"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\n> Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance.\n>What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions!\n>Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen.\n\nThis reads like it's straight out of a 19th century novel. Why would Pilate write something like this to his direct superior?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nBrahman* or Narayana"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\nyeah, we do\nreligion and spirituality isn't meant to be related to hard sciences, though, as much as i lament the theists who try to make it related\nsee: >>20"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>isn't meant to be related to hard sciences\nNot for like 90% of \"spiritual\" people.\nNot even talking about religiously spiritual. Their language gives it away, they're always talking about \"waves\", \"vibes\", \"vibrations\" or stuff like that; technical terms taken from physics and redefined. It's very strange."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nGK Chesterton didn't know that the Chinese or Indians had writing, why the fuck would you care what he thought about India?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>GK Chesterton didn't know that the Chinese or Indians had writing\nSubstantiate your claims"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nmoonrunes are not writing"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nI am in no way surprised that a guy on 4chan is baffled by the concept of vibes and just has no idea what people are talking about when they say it.\n\nIt’s a social and emotional thing anon."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nyeah this is some horseshit anon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Dreyfusard or Anti-Dreyfusard.\nAnd why?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe JEW dildod the nigger of France which is why the country was so cuckolded and lost to BASED GERMAN MEN."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDoes that mean you are an anti-Dreyfusard?\nThen if so, why?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "It doesn't matter how much you hate da j00z, literally all evidence points to Dreyfus being innocent. You might as well still be arguing about who shot JR."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere’s not a single shred of evidence that would have even remotely implicated Dreyfus, any continued indictment on him is /pol/ tier larping."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've read about the \"Dreyfus Affair\" on a number of occasions, and I still can't understand why this ever became such a prominent national issue. Why would anyone care about some random minor official being accused of treason, whether falsely or otherwise? Surely there were many such cases every year, some justified and some not."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDreyfus had his life ruined for no reason other than him making an easy target for corrupt officials. His treatment betrayed the fundamental moral failure of the state."}, {"id": 8, "content": "French army was fucking trash and they still had retarded shit like that, imagine that"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI trust Zola"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>Why would anyone care about some random minor official being accused of treason, whether falsely or otherwise?\nExtreme paranoia in the military and government at the time, a number of constitutional crises along with the memory of the war a few decades earlier meant someone or something was eventually going to be a scapegoat for everyone’s paranoia and frustration. Unfortunately, a combination of circumstances along with antisemitism being an easy copout led to him being the sacrificial lamb, even though it became very clear he was an innocent man."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nFrance was still asshurt from losing to Prussia and needed a scapegoat to cope. Ironically similar to what Germany did after World War I."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nit is a case of espionage therefore it created a minor scandal. Hovewer because Dreyfus is Jewish, crowds were formed to bar Jews from entering military ever again. Action Francaise was formed to convince public agaisnt Dreyfus and it worked. Suddenly it became a major scandal as this popularisation of news and use as an excuse against Jews made it became a popular issue in French public. Also i should inform that monarchists were plsying their last cards so they tried to find an excuse to spike their popularity upcand prove republicans are traitors."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nbtw, Action Francaise is apparently still active. Imagine your \"Lmao i hate Dreyfus\" club becomes an actual political party with a programme."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nWhy do you leftypol sois goatrape my great nigger?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nseek help"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nBecause he was a homosexual, did i answered the question right?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nI will not go back to your judeo-pilpul prison.\n\n>>16\n>Yesss GOYIMS, eat the soi."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>>Yesss GOYIMS, eat the soi.\ni dont exactly understand the meaning behind soil eating, did you wanted to call me a dung-eater. Why did you get angry all of a sudden? Because you think Dreyfus was a homosexual?"}, {"id": 19, "content": "How did they know Dreyfus was Jewish by ethnicity? Wasn't he a Catholic?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm against Dreyfus because he was an Alsatian and was only loyal to France for the same reason that Cubans are loyal to America, they see it as a means to reclaim the country they actually care about."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\ni dont know wether he is Cstholic but his brother and his family alive had a close contact eith Dreyfus and his brother even came to help him only to be stopped. So, even if he was a Catholic because he was close eith his fsmily everyone knew he was Jewish."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why are history enjoyers like this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's every shitty content creator these days."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis shit is fake."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWouldn't a hot guy tied up be less attractive than one that isn't? Or maybe these thumbnails are tailored towards gays?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate the AI art so much. The shitty, uncanny, lifeless portraits with weird expressions, mishmash of clothing the AI thinks is appropriate, the fucking monster cheekbones... its all so weird and creepy. And yet it's everywhere now. This is how the originality dies."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI find it hilarious every Ai male is drawn as some kinda ultra giga chad"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAI is based, funny, and evil/creepy all at the same time"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The BIZARRE Adventure of Japan's Juvenile Delinquents"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are Russians just a mix of Iranic Scythians and Uralic Mongoloids?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't have a lot of direct Iranic ancestry, much of what they do have is mediated by Volga Finns and Tatars who of course have some of it.\nThey are predominantly Slavs with variable Baltic, Finnic and Tatar admixture depending on the region."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nr1a-z280s abandoned their Iranian identity as it has been co-opted and dominated by z93 and chose Slavic as their new larper culture"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThere is actually a fair amount of Iranian/Iranic rooted loanwords and cognates in Slavic and even Baltic languages.\n\nBaga was Old Persian for God.\nBogu was Old Slavic for God."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Haplogroup traits:\n\nR1b = poisonous, offensive\nR1a = diseased, disgusting"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has there been any post-1950 war that wasn't a WWII larp?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "wtf is a WWII larp"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIran-Iraq War was a WWI larp if that counts. Also what the fuck does your picture even mean OP"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Every conflict gets compared to past conflicts. Hitler was compared to Hitler, Alexander, Atilla, etc."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall wars in balkans are 19th century tier, you can't convince me otherwise.\n>tfw Chetniks still exist\n>tfw Croats are still stuck in austria-hungary era\n>tfw Albanians still stuck in early era of nationalist movements\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr78-YywM-Q [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Hitler was compared to Hitler"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>inb4 Chetniks are WW2 creation\nno\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Chetnik_Organization"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nBased Chad, fuck Gaddafi and fuck the PLO."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe recent Azerbaijan-Armenia conflicts utilize drones in really scary ways it almost blew up into a cool little drone v drone conflict"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIsn't the same thing kinda happening in Ukraine? I don't want war to devolve into a bunch of drone swarms, that's not as exciting to read about."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\ndont worry, Balkans will stay in 19th century no matter what the current tech is"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nGod's land."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nindeed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There's literally nothing you can do about it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSchizophrenia. Literal every person from every genetic pool has been low and high class"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAre lineages found at the same frequencies?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is refuted by the fact we are not peasants living under despotic region-to-continent-sized empires ruled by aristocratic lines going back to the Bronze Age/neolithic at the earliest and the late iron age at the latest. (Not counting the Americas and the part of the world not connected to Eurasia, fuck if I know what would happen to those in a world like that)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This country only exists because\nA. France cant have nice things\nB. Netherlands cant have nice things\nC. Germany definitely cannot have nice things\nWhat a retarded justification for a nation"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWallonia is a shallow shithole tho"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Justification\n>chocolate land"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">only ethnostates are legitimate\nEasily the most retarded belief propagated around here. Ethnostates are a historical exception, not a rule."}, {"id": 5, "content": "You can add a few more nations to that list of states what were primarily created as clay buffers: Paraguay, Andorra, Nepal, Slovakia"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAndorra is older than the British monarchy.\nSo is Nepal, slokekia is a fake nation.\nAnd Paraguay declared its own independence because wn. You are thinking of Uruguay.\n>>1 (OP)\nThey are respectable because of their drive to have colonies."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what's ironic is nationalist Germany was the closest thing to a classless society as you can realistically get. if the communists weren't run by Jews they'd have seen that and joined them"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA classless \"society\" has never existed, class antagonisms weren't as bad in NS Germany as in other places, but that doesn't mean they were close to being classless. No country on earth has ever been classless, Even primitive hunter gatherer tribes still had chiefs, and slaves. Western communists are just libs with an autistic economic ideology, they'd never get behind a government that explicitly tried to advance the interests of an ethnic group."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>classless society\nsperging of midwit neets (still) confusing economic castes with division of labor."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nClass is genetic. Communism in Russia wiped out everyone's wealth yet 70% of the upper class are descendants of the pre-communist upper class."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the Holocaust is so true, why isn't Israel be full of statues dedicated to white British, American and Soviet soldiers who saved them from almost total destruction? Why do they instead opt to demonize Europeans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why isn't Israel be full of statues\nPlease ignore my mistake I overlooked while formatting my question."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Helping a family member or helping a Jew who converted to Christianity is not ground for recognition\n\nWhy do Jews hate Him so much? They hate Jesus arguably more than Hitler."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>full\nit isnt an objective degree, what do you mean by that\nbut there are actually WW2 memorials and a monument dedicsted to ANZAC\nhttps://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:World_War_II_memorials_in_Israel"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Help thousands of Jews\n>Get a tree\nWe should let the Muslims destroy Israel"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nA FUCKING TREE"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis made me lol irl.\nYes, why don't Israel thank JESUS CHRIST for letting them even having a country again and being able to try to be righteous?\nAnd why did that allowance translate to \"let us keel yuo!\"?\nAlso why are globalists so insanely rich and gay and effeminate? Why is King Charles dracula? Does he play WC3 and WoW? Does King Charles know that there are actual niggers that like saying King Arthur is never coming back and he went to hell? Did he not ever watch Robin Hood and how it shows there is a evil king and only the good one shows up after Robin Hood defeats the evil one?\nThe only time in my life that I had ever encountered vicious hackers that actually destroyed several hardware and a computer is from using Steam (anticheat/security software). It'd be like paying for antivirus and antivirus company gives me a virus."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThat's a Talmud twist on the actual Scriptures that Noah gave to us by God. God never meant that Jews should actually harm other nations to elevate theirselves. That goes against what God said by blessing others like through the blessing of Abraham.\nIn Christ Jesus, everyone is God's child under the blood atonement sacrifice and spiritual adoption. Meaning there is none of that \"only Shem's nations are blessed\" nonsense. nevertheless, Talmudian antichrists would dare to curse and abase others for the sake of elevating their selves, and Asians/Indians/Latinos (Shems)."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Asians/Indians/Latinos (Shems) = The Dragon (When United)."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSoviet"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Now zionists are trying to derail, good job OP I’ll post this thread again and again"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nthis is not stated in the Bible and the dragon is satan not humans"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nAnd? You think you convincing anyone otherwise?\nThey are.\nYou should look at their religious sybolisms and mythical symbolisms more.\nSatan is an unholy godhead of his own that he copied of God. The Dragon is simply the third antichrist that comes at the end, where he is thrown into the lake of fire.\nThe first antichrist is The Beast. Which is of Hammite people aka Blackrock/Big Black Cock basically Pharoah of America. He can transform into white elitist, but he is about spiritual darkness (aka Dragon Flood on the Good Woman which fled West).\nThe Second Antichrist is 1000 years after him. He is the Japheth one of Gog and Magog. I know what I am talking about.\nAxes = Japheth = Albino white Nords.\nBlades (Singled Edged Swords and Cuved Swords) = Shem = Red and Yellows.\nHammers = Ham = Black.\nAll races when they live christlike produces white people. Which is why they are the racists calling white Europe and America racist. The only perfect judgement after all would be for God to let fools be deceived by Satan and claim the very thing that is absolutely wrong.\nWhite people in Christ is who freed blacks. The Beast is embarassing himself, and gays know that, which is why they moved the debate to trannies.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGplokEHQM [Embed]"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>You think you convincing anyone otherwise?\nsatan exists you jew, only a jew would say satan doesnt exist because of talmudic commentary."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAre you a bot? That's a BIG ASS post of lots of info and even a youtube video. I think your mind just got BTFO or bot broke."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nthat youtube video featured a video game also you rejected satan in all that i fo dump you talmudist\nhow was the seder night?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>you rejected satan\nProve it.\nNo, I'll just prove that it didn't.\n>He says Dragon is Satan not humans (this is clearly blasphemy, Jesus called humans Satan all the time)\n>I mention that Satan exists multiple times, including 3x antichrists working for Satan, the dragon floods, that God lets those who reject him be deceived by Satan's lies, etc\n>Showed him Blades to show him understanding of the dragon's/Shem's weapon\n>He calls it \"just a bideo bame\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Siege of Tyre\nIncredible. Simply incredible. This is why I love history."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This is why I love history.\nReality isn't a movie to be good or bad. History is the passed down retelling of reality, and to judge it on \"entertainment\" is to say human life is just \"entertainment\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYeah, war and battles are fuckin cool. That's why millions of books, games, movies, TV shows, all revolve around warfare, knights and soldiers and killing each other. Quit being such a faggot, you're not better than anyone else."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell I should be sleeping but here I am on Wikipedia now"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nKys, pseud."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nBro just said 'dont enjoy history' on a history board"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In this Korean show, they had an American saying stuff like, \"This was the toughest battle I've ever fought\" but when I looked it up on wikipedia, only 3 Americans died in the battle"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor most of them it was probably the only battle they've ever fought."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>gun\nTrapdoor?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hell is the absence of God. We are in Hell."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Go back to /b/ with these pointless ass posts"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds possible."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat looks like heaven to me"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">blah blah my gay ass off-topic opinion, but historically speaking\n>my [ancient civilization as a placeholder for a modern republic] is better than yours\n>were x white?\n>were x black?\n>are trannies real women (&humanities btw)\nIf you aren't interested in history then what brought you here anon? The only other group that can argue for their spot on this board are religion posters and that's because theology falls under &humanities. Pretty much every other thread on this board can just as easily be posted on /int/ or /pol/ where they actually fit the subject matter. Why not post there? It doesn't even seem like most of you are having fun. You're just taking up space because you're too scared to post on a non-blue board or something."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It doesn't even seem like most of you are having fun\nWelcome to 4chan"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey’re probably banned on int or pol, that’s why"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you want actual discussion on this board you have to make your own threads that have nothing to do with controversial topics. Just something as basic as that filters retards. Just don’t read other threads unless your wasting time"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the historical context for the change from a god of cleanliness to a god of justice? All through the old testament it's spoken of a god repulsed by sin, all is done to remain clean to be able to commune with him. If sin is present in his people, he is repulsed by them.\n\nOn the new testament the discourse is about a god who judges. Sets apart the good from the bad, the ones with him from the ones against him, those who follow and those who walk away, and within these he delivers punishment or reward.\n\nWhich of these images prevails yet in judaism? When did this start and what started the change?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "They should be one country."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFilipinos are pretty cool in my experience but damn do they have some weird food. I'll eat a lot of stuff, but some of their shit really pushes it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPuerto Rico remain under Spanish crown"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDon't know much about it other than Jollibee desu. But I don't know much about any culture's food in general, it's probably in the bottom of my interests.\n>>3\nYes, all one country (Hispania).\n\nPhilippines is Latinx."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">1974\n>national shame of America, resigned the office with disgrace\n>fast forward to 1986\n>Nixon is ranked in a Gallup poll as the top 10 most admired men in the world\n\nwho was in the wrong here, America or the World?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally no one outside of American boomers gives a fuck about watergate\n\nHe ended Vietnam and ended tensions with China which were both seen as positives"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Foreign heads of state had always admired Nixon as a statesman and did not understand what the deal with Watergate was."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA decade of media whitewashing on behalf of the Republican Party salvaged his image"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nthe chinese in particular\n>In February 1976, Nixon visited China at the personal invitation of Mao. Nixon had wanted to return to China but chose to wait until after Ford's own visit in 1975.[266]\n>Nixon visited the White House in 1979, invited by Carter for the state dinner for Chinese Vice Premier Deng Xiaoping. Carter had not wanted to invite Nixon, but Deng had said he would visit Nixon in California if the former president was not invited. Nixon had a private meeting with Deng and visited Beijing again in mid-1979.[272]\n>Deng literally forced Carter's hand to get Nixon invited to dinner"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>impeach Nixon\n>replace his comatose VP with Jimmy Carter\no i am laffin"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>5\nThese. US and China were starting to reopen relations but the chinks fucking adored Nixon, so he was impossible to get rid of."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Watergate was fake jewish bullshit\n\nhttps://compactmag.com/article/how-the-deep-state-took-down-nixon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>media\n>republican\n\nYou’ll have to be more subtle to troll"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI like jimmy cartar. He was a morally good man and he’s the only president I actually believe was morally good"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nHe was geopolitically incompetent and that’s all that matters."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\npaywalled, tldr?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is evolution so controversial on a history board? Was & humanities a mistake? Why do we have to share a board with people who think that Sargon of Akkad ruled a couple of decades after the whole of humanity except for 8 people was wiped out?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">"}, {"id": 3, "content": "You know, we have a board dedicated to science."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYeah and we also have a board dedicated to retarded schizoshit. Why should people who believe that Sargon ruled a couple of decades after a worldwide flood which wiped out all but 8 people post on the history board?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nParanthropus invented language.\nHabilis invented civilization.\nSapiens is the fallen man.\n\nProve me wrong."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJEws."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost history boards have pretty strict moderation, so the crazies and the trolls come here, not to discuss mainstream history but to preach against it. Half of them don't know anything about how history is actually done, and the other half don't care and believe that mainstream historians are evil."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>people who think that Sargon of Akkad ruled a couple of decades after the whole of humanity except for 8 people was wiped out?\n\nWho thinks that? That guy it's just an youtuber."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nBut mainstream evolution has a similar problem. People supposedly evolved all these features like brains as well as hearing and vocal treacts tuned for language, while doing nothing at all to use them. Then out of completely nowhere they got civilized, for no readon whatsoever.\nWhy were they doing nothing with that brain capacity and more importantly, why did they keep evolving bigger brains, if they weren't using them?\n\nSomething like the following seems more reasonable:\nParanthropus invented language. A small revolution occured.\nHabilis (or perhaps erectus directly) began using tools and lived by hunting and gathering, getting better at making tools, and slowly evolved, until another revolution occured.\nErectus lived in a preindustrial society, which gorlt slowly more advanced as their brain grew, until one of them could make a machine and a new revolution occured.\nHuman brains grew further to deal with technology and the Neanderthals / Denisovans lived in a hi-tech society. Possibly upto settling space, and cause various gold age past myths.\nThen something happened, and here we are."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Yoshihiro Hattori (服部 剛丈, Hattori Yoshihiro, November 22, 1975 – October 17, 1992, often referred to as Yoshi Hattori) was a Japanese student on an exchange program to the United States who was shot to death in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The shooting happened when Hattori, on his way to a Halloween party, went to the wrong house by mistake. Property owner Rodney Peairs fatally shot Hattori, thinking that he was trespassing with criminal intent. The killing and Peairs' acquittal received worldwide attention."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeird coincidence, I was just reading about a 16 year old who was shot recently because he went to the wrong house"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's been 30 years but America hasn't changed"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhites are savages, they need to be sent back"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Baton Rouge, Louisiana\nI’m not surprised. It’s the shithole of a shithole state with the crime rate of Brazil"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharging the old man who shot the jogger is akin to digging up an old german camp watchtower guard and charging him for warcrimes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSo you're saying it's something we should do just for the thrill of it?\nOr you're complaining because it's not a severe enough punishment for the crime of continued existence while g*rman?\nNothing beats watching Hessians suffer. It's a shame the criminal element in Amalgamated-Northern-Europe doesn't make torture porn like the Latino cartels do."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNope both are wrong"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeanwhile around the same time sick fucking Japanese pervert raped, slaughtered, and ate a Swedish woman, and he became a national celebrity in Japan who walked about freely."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt was a Dutch women and it was kind of the fault of the French government to let him go to Japan."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nAFAIK the japanese actually wanted to prosecute him but the French refused to release his court records giving them no evidence to work with.\nI have my doubts he was actually much of a celeb past the initial scandal considering he had to live off welfare and japanese publishers refused to publish his books."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nWhy are Fr*nchoids such sick fucks?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nHis family was shady as fuck. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled some strings. Not defending frogs though as they can't legally demand to know if their son is their own."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nThe pedo rings in Benelux do dentist chair torture"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>>9\nCry more simp"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Either Americans are trigger happy or they're just using these opportunities to kill Black people and Asians"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nYeah they closed the records after they dropped the charges since he was being deported."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nImagine defending degenerates. You will never be happy or fulfilled."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThe answer is both. Plenty of people have zero self control and aren’t mature enough to be trusted with guns."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\n>16 year old\n12*"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Chancey said there is no indication that Connor was armed.\n\nWould that be relevant...?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\nHe was interviewed, wrote books and got his perverted drawings depicting gore sex and acts of cannibalism published. He starred in some porn.\nLater all of that morbid curiosity died out and he had hard times finding something to do and he had no money left because he frequently travelled abroad to do drugs and fuck European blondes.\nHe then got older, sicker, on welfare and eventually died.\nStill, if he wasn't that dumb and not use his real name, save up some money and try to lay low after literally getting a second chance, he'd probably live ok life."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">kill someone\n>get acquitted in court for standing your ground against an unarmed dangerous chink\n\n>be cop\n>kill someone and handcuff his wife in revenge\n>get paid leave\n\nWhy don't Americans give all murderers the death penalty?\nI'm so glad I'm not American and how I can make 100k a year without being american so I don't have to move to that american hellhole"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\nTrigger happy is the simplest way to put it. But it's generally not so much that these people are gleefully looking for their chance to kill a minority. Their sincere gut instinct is that such-and-such kind of person can't have any legitimate business knocking on their door, or pulling into their driveway, or being on their street. This could mean a black kid, a scary Asian man, or (for some bunkerbrains) really anyfuckingbody you didn't specifically invite. They really do think there's some threat to their person or property, which under the law, is often enough. Often it's based on racist assumptions that even normal harmless people can have. Sometimes it's based on being a very isolated, paranoid retard who's afraid of anything remotely out of their own narrow ordinary. Sometimes it's because actual past trauma sets someone permanently on edge. The common denominator is the mix of fear and guns."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>6\n\nthe camp watchtower guard could have gotten another job, instead he knowingly participated in a crime"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nWhere's his family's 1.5 million dollars in donations? Where are the riots?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nHe was on daytime tv all the time. That’s pretty famous for a fucking cannibal"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nLol jesus"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\nSame. I was about to say this ain't /his/ but I never heard about this guy. Halfway through reading I thought this was about that Japanese guy who was beaten to death for no apparent reason some decades ago."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are buddhism and atheism actually compatible with one another? It seems like reincarnation relies upon a supernatural explanation."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're compatible if you strip Buddhism down from the cultural context surrounding it and remove the cosmology that makes Buddhism actually interesting. In other words, white girl-tier \"easy\" Buddhism that doesn't actually address things like dharma or hell and is instead just dumb feel-good crap atheists need when they start feeling a spiritual void creeping up in their lives."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwait, is there a Buddhism without belief in reincarnation? Isnt the wholw point of Buddhism is breaking cycle of reincarnation which implies reincarnation exists in the first place?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour view of \"reincarnation\" is warped by your internalized idea of souls. Buddhists don't believe on souls."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nis there a sole-material explanation of rebirth? How does one conciousness gets reborn? Sole-material explanation of the things would be that death is certain and there is no revival of conciousness anytime anywhere."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a religion so no. If you want you can just strip Buddhism of the religion itself and only leave the philosophy, that’"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nFor the most part, that applies to people (primarily in the west) who adopt Buddhism as an aesthetic or as some sort of \"wellness\" thing without caring for any of the deeper aspects. If it helps people with whatever's got them fucked up then who am I to complain, but I hesitate to still call it Buddhism when you completely remove its spiritual aspect."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf by Atheism we just mean not believing in a god, then yes they are compatible. But most self identified Atheists are materialists and that would create a conflict. While Buddhism doesn't believe in a soul in the traditional sense, there is still some sort of mental continuity which survives the destruction of the body, even though that consciousness has no permanent markers of personal identity"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nIt's not \"solely material\". \"Souls\" and \"pure materialism\" aren't the only choices.\nMental processes stand in causal relations. Mental processes now cause mental processes later. The idea that you as in how you think of yourself as a specific individual gets reborn is a meme. However, mental processes associated with some current body will stand in causal relations with mental processes associated with some other body once the first body is dead.\nOr at least that's what the buddhists think. I'm not a buddhist."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBro pretty much everything in Buddhism is supernatural\n>Karma\n>Rebirth\n>Heaven and Hell Realms\n>Devas (gods) and Asuras (demigods)\n>Hungry ghosts\n>Buddhas and Bodhisattvas with powers\n>Pure Buddhalands you can get reincarnated into"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWe can distinguish 2 types of atheism in this context:\n\nGeneral atheism (Not believing in a supreme being)\nAnd Materialistic atheism (Same as above, but without the existence of the afterlife and anything non-material)\n\nNo type of Buddhism is compatible with Materialism. However, there is a specific type of Buddhism, Theravada Buddhism, which is compatible with General Atheism, since they don't believe in celestial Buddhas."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Hungry ghosts\nExplain"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf we're talking about Theravada Buddhism, sort of, yes. The Buddha taught that even the soul was simply a series of impermanent, changing and non continuous aggregates. So when you die there's not really a \"you\" that gets reincarnated. Rather, your consciousness might go to a bumble bee, your habits to a girl in India and your perception to an intergerlactic warlord living 4000 years from now. And, again, all of these elements are in constant flux themselves, so even the consciousness you had at your birth is not the same as the consciousness you die with (Theseus' ship style)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>Heaven and Hell Realms\n>Devas (gods) and Asuras (demigods)\n>Hungry ghosts\n>Buddhas and Bodhisattvas with powers\n>Pure Buddhalands you can get reincarnated into\nAren’t all of these absent or optional in Therevada?\nI do agree that reincarnation is incompatible with materialism and that kind of sinks the whole thing for materialists"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Are buddhism and atheism actually compatible with one another?\n\nYes\n\n>It seems like reincarnation relies upon a supernatural explanation.\n\nI don’t necessarily believe in reincarnation, but if it’s real I hope to spend another eternity discussing religion with you Gervaisfag :)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nGonna be hard for you to discuss anything with me while you’re roasting in hell for being a decadent swine."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThanks for the rare gervais"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\nToo bad this board is talking about Buddhism, not your personal Stoic beliefs, which literally believes in resurrection of conciousness in another body."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>I don’t necessarily believe in reincarnation\ni am a Muslim but i dont believe in Allah and also I eat pork\nmakes sense? It doesnt makes any sense. So do you.\nclaiming to be a Buddhist while calling Buddha an dhis disciples a liar doesnt make any sense"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nIt's a realm in which people are afflicted by agonizing hunger and thirst that they will never be able to satisfy. Buddhist art depicts them as having enormous bellies and pinholes for mouths.\n>>14\nTheravada doesn't believe in bodhisattvas or buddha-fields but accepts the rest."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>>16\n>The Chud Anon vs Gervaisposter war has begun\nLet the sparks fly"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nrebirth =/= reincarnation\n\nRebirth is closer to what this anon described >>13\n\nReincarnation is more like (You) come back in Peru. They’re two different concepts. Some Buddhists do believe in reincarnation but that’s part of local folklore that attached itself to the original philosophy."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSo, samsara is not revival of conciousness in a new body? Then what is it."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nDoes Therevada believe you can reincarnate as a demi-god? If so, how is that functionally any different from a belief in paradise? If demi-gods are immortal, wouldn't this mean they had already escaped the cycle of rebirth? Why would a demi-god wish to exchange his immortality for nibbana if nibbana is the dissolving of everything, including one's consciousness?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nRead the post he quoted."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo they are not, some guys like Steve Job tried to say they are but Buddhism clearly requires spiritual beliefs which go against atheism."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\ni see, it is close to the idea of reincarnation presented by Marcus Aurelius. However the conciousness itself is also revived in a person, right?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\n>Rather, your consciousness might go to a bumble bee, your habits to a girl in India and your perception to an intergerlactic warlord living 4000 years from now\nI have never heard that idea before. The way I've always seen rebirth explained is that the stream of consciousness simply detaches itself from the body at the moment of death and takes root in a new body somewhere else. Mental factors are dissolved and then reconstituted in the new body."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nI hate to make a heckin videogame reference but it’s like the livestream in Final Fantasy 7"}, {"id": 31, "content": "Atheism is a lack in belief in God or gods (theos).\n\nAn atheist can be an idealist, believe in an afterlife, etc."}, {"id": 32, "content": "I'm an atheist (I know there are no Gods)\nhowever, I know there are ghosts\nI have had serval spooky encounters\nsome of these ghosts gets reborn (reincarnation)\n\nwhat's the contradiction?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>The way I've always seen rebirth explained is that the stream of consciousness simply detaches itself from the body at the moment of death and takes root in a new body somewhere else.\nFairly sure that's the Hindu concept of reincarnation (since the Hindus actual believe in an atman, an immortal, persistent self). The earliest Buddhists believed that even the soul itself was merely a collection of mutable causes and conditions; different elements went to different loci following rebirth. I think that later schools, like Pure Land, have an idea of rebirth that is closer to the Hindu concept of reincarnation however."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nIt is kinda like paradise. You can be reborn as a demigod (asura) or a god (deva) and live in the sensuous heavens for millions of years, but you will eventually run out of good karma and might end up in hell (naraka). So it's probably better to just escape samsara."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\nGods are not immortal in buddhism"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuddhism does not include any sort of omnipotent over-god like the tarted up volcano daemon Yhvh...\n\nThe four dhamma summaries inform us, amongst other things, that there is no all powerful big-G \"God\" running things: \"No one is in charge\"...\n1. Upanīyati loko.\n\nThe world is swept away.\n\nAddhuvo.\n\nIt does not endure.\n\n2. Atāṇo loko.\n\nThe world offers no shelter.\n\nAnabhissaro.\n\nThere is no one in charge.\n\n3. Assako loko.\n\nThe world has nothing of its own.\n\nSabbaṁ pahāya gamanīyaṁ.\n\nOne has to pass on, leaving everything behind.\n\n4. Ūno loko,\n\nThe world is insufficient,\n\nAtitto,\n\ninsatiable,\n\nTaṇhā dāso.\n\na slave to craving."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nIt's distinct from the Hindu concept because there is no atman involved. The self is nothing but a constantly changing aggregate, and it flows from one life to another in the same way that it flows from one moment to the next."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The work of salvation belongs entirely to God. It is God through Christ and the Holy Spirit, who has the divine power to rescue us from the forces of sickness, evil, sin, death, and the devil. It is God through Christ and the Holy Spirit who alone provides justification, forgiveness, and new life to sinners who come to Him with faith. And God provides salvation as a most amazing and unceasing gift to all sincere seekers."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The less God reveals himself to you, the more he loves you because he is God all by himself. Yeah. Just here to bless the work of God."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jew god doesn't exist. Jesus didn't exist. Christianity is dying and that's a good thing."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Why I am reformed"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCatholics and Orthodox believe the same in regard to justification, and no amount of mumuring on your part will change that fact. Christ is the true light that lights every man - and it is only by this light that we are saved. It is simply that the apostolic Churches rightfully recognise that we are subsequently called to be God's co-workers and that faith without works is dead. Indeed, that faith is perfected by works (James 2:22)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>The apostolic churches\nAsk me how I know you get your theology from 4chan"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nRead Prescription Against Heretics by Tertullian\nhttps://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThe unfortunate corollary of all of this is that you constantly have to be working and worrying about your salvation under this system. I actually think the reformers got the whole by-grace-alone thing right, because it allows them to actually relax"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>reformers\n>relaxed\nPlease read up on the Protestant work ethic. Protestants were constantly worrying about working hard enough to prove that they were one of the elect both to themselves and others, as even the Reformers believed that the elect would necessarily work a great deal as an intrinsic part of their sanctified character."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nSays the middle-aged man who basically lives on /his/ and is boastful enough to use a tripcode. I call them apostolic because there's no other source out of which these two ancient Churches could have arisen historically, regardless of what you might believe about their doctrines. I also call them apostolic because they constantly affirm that they believe in the \"one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church\" at each Sunday service, unlike most Protestants. The necessisty of believing in a visible Church whose origin is historically apostolic is baked into their statements of faith in a manner we don't find in many Protestant Churches."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNowadays they just take it for granted that they are saved by grace alone, judging by online Calvinists"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nNTA but why is it wrong the use the term \"apostolic\", it encompasses the Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic and non-Ephesians."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt’s not wrong, Dirk is wrong"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nWe say the creeds every week too. That is my point. Your evaluation of the protestant landscape is skewed.\n\nI'm in my 20s, not that it matters\nFilter me\n\n>>12\nIt's a false categorization. It's like the bizarre \"abrahamism\" posters. This is not a way the term is used by people who take the topic seriously.\nIt's a term seized on by contrarian larpers on the internet upset with the state of their mom's happy clappy evangelical church growing up."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>We say the creeds every week too\nSo does this guy too. You are part of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church to the same extent as this picrel guy is.\n\n>It's a false categorization\nIt’s a correct categorization. The only reason you don’t like it is because you find it threatening.\n\nRead Prescription Against Heretics by Tertullian, especially chapters 16-21, 27, 28. They are brief. Read if you dare, Dirk\nhttps://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n\nBelieve what you want but don't be retarded and claim that Jesus wasn't a historical figure because you watched a YouTube video."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nSo what term would you use then, how do you define a word that encompasses those groups? Preprots?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNon protestant"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>We say the creeds every week too.\nDirk, take a look. Did I say every Protestant Church or just many?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nRidiculous. Protestantism developed out of the western Church. Why on earth would you label the Catholic and Orthodox Churches according to a movement they predated? Is Alexander called a Non Roman? Do people refer to Nicholas II as the Tsar of Russia or as a \"Non Soviet\" when referring to who he was historically?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nI wouldn't arbitrarily lump them together for that reason\nI would say \"eastern Orthodox\" \"roman catholic\" \"oriental orthodox\" \"old catholic\" and so on"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nAh, if only there were a convenient, historically sound catch-all term that we could use when we wanted to refer to all of those denominations collectively."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIt's even more convenient to call them \"pink\", just one syllable instead of four"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>I wouldn't arbitrarily lump them together for that reason\nWhy would it be arbitrary"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nBecause it's inaccurate and ahistoric to call them apostolic at the exclusive expense of protestantism\n\nApostolicity is not defined by the year you were broken from Rome, be that in 1054 for the east, 1500s for protestants or Vatican 1 for the old Catholics"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Let’s ask ChatGPT\n\nAnon: What do \"eastern orthodox\" \"roman catholic\" \"oriental orthodox\" and \"old catholic\" churches all have in common?\n\nChatGPT: The Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, and Old Catholic Churches all have their roots in early Christianity and trace their origins to the first millennium AD. They also share a belief in the Holy Trinity and the importance of the sacraments, including baptism and the Eucharist.\n\nAdditionally, they all recognize the authority of the Bible and the early Church Fathers, and they all have a hierarchical structure with bishops, priests, and deacons. They also have a rich liturgical tradition, with elaborate and highly structured services that are meant to convey the beauty and majesty of the divine.\n\nHowever, there are also important differences between these churches, including differences in theology, doctrine, and practice. For example, the Roman Catholic Church recognizes the authority of the Pope as the head of the Church, while the Eastern Orthodox Church does not. The Oriental Orthodox Church has a different understanding of the nature of Christ from the other churches, which led to a schism in the 5th century. The Old Catholic Church has a different understanding of papal authority and has rejected certain doctrines, such as the doctrine of papal infallibility, that are central to Roman Catholicism.\nAnon: Is there a single word that encapsulates these churches?\n\nChatGPT: There is no single word that can accurately encapsulate all of these churches, as they each have unique histories, traditions, and beliefs. However, they are often collectively referred to as \"the ancient churches\" or \"the historic churches,\" as they are among the oldest and most established Christian traditions.\n>They are also sometimes referred to as \"the apostolic churches,\" as they trace their origins back to the apostles who were the earliest followers of Jesus Christ.\n\nGet with it, Dirk"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYou have a very stunted and underdeveloped view of what “apostolicity” means"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>Because it's inaccurate and ahistoric to call them apostolic at the exclusive expense of protestantism\nYou're betraying your own insecurity here. Even secular minded individuals will use the term \"apostolic\" in reference to these churches because it makes the most sense - these churches could not have been founded by anyone except the apostles or their immediate ecclesiastical descendants."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nExample?\nAre you thinking of \"apostolic sees\"?\n\nMost popular use of the term is actually around pentecostal and charismatics who employ an office of apostle"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Anon: Would one apply the same nomenclature to Protestant churches?\n\nChatGPT: The term \"ancient churches\" or \"apostolic churches\" is not typically applied to Protestant churches, as they are generally considered to be a separate and distinct tradition within Christianity. Protestantism emerged in the 16th century as a reaction against certain teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic Church, and it is characterized by a rejection of the authority of the Pope, a focus on the Bible as the ultimate authority, and a belief in salvation through faith alone.\n\nProtestantism encompasses a wide range of denominations and traditions, including Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Methodism, Presbyterianism, Baptists, and many others. These churches have their own unique histories, traditions, and beliefs, and they are generally not considered part of the ancient or apostolic churches. Instead, they are often referred to simply as \"Protestant churches\" or \"Protestant denominations.\"\nAnon: Why not?\n\nChatGPT: The term \"ancient churches\" or \"apostolic churches\" is typically reserved for those Christian churches that can trace their origins back to the early centuries of Christianity and have maintained an unbroken continuity with the early Church."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>Most popular use of the term is actually around pentecostal and charismatics who employ an office of apostle\nYes, Dirk. When most people hear the term \"apostolic\" I am sure they immediately think of the pentecostals."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the forces of sickness, evil, sin, death, and the devil\nWho created these?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nNot God"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nAre trans women female?\n\nChatGPT:Yes, trans women are female. Trans women are individuals who were assigned male at birth but do not identify as male and instead identify as female. They may undergo medical and/or social transitions to align their physical characteristics and gender expression with their gender identity. Trans women are as much female as any other woman, and it's important to respect their gender identity and use the pronouns and terminology that they prefer."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThe quality of the answer depends on the quality of the question, sorry Dirk\n\nAnon: Would referring to all apostolic churches as “Non protestant” be a major category error?\n\nChatGPT: Referring to all apostolic churches as \"non-Protestant\" would be a major category error, as it does not accurately describe the diversity within the apostolic churches themselves. While it is true that apostolic churches such as the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, and Old Catholic Churches are not Protestant, there are other apostolic churches that are considered part of the Protestant tradition, such as the Anglican Communion.\n\nFurthermore, simply being non-Protestant does not fully capture the distinctiveness of the apostolic churches, as they have their own unique histories, traditions, and beliefs that set them apart from other non-Protestant churches. The apostolic churches, for example, place a special emphasis on apostolic succession and the role of bishops in preserving the apostolic faith, which is not a central focus in many other non-Protestant traditions.\n\nTherefore, while it is true that the apostolic churches are not Protestant, it would be more accurate to refer to them by their specific traditions or by terms such as \"the ancient churches\" or \"the apostolic churches\" that acknowledge their distinctiveness and unique contributions to the broader Christian tradition."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>there are other apostolic churches that are considered part of the Protestant tradition, such as the Anglican Communion\nOops!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>6\nSo sayeth the tripfag"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>Anglicanism should be called non-Protestant\nNice. It wants to be called that desperately, so they’ll probably take it. It is the only Protestant church with any basis for the claim that it is “apostolic”, after all. Your church certainly isn’t."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nsola scriptura prots are actually more apostolic than anyone else. we hold the writings of the apostles to be sacrosanct rather than putting them on the same level as what pope rapist-pedophile-glutton from 1021 had to say on the matter."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>and the Holy Spirit\n*the holy cuckerino\nfix'd"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>we hold the writings of the apostles to be sacrosanct rather than putting them on the same level as what the entire church has decided on as a collective by universal consensus\nFixed that for you."}, {"id": 42, "content": "Anon: How is apostolicity enshrined in the seven ecumenical councils\n\nChatGPT: The concept of apostolicity is central to the teachings of the seven ecumenical councils, which were a series of gatherings of bishops and theologians in the early centuries of Christianity that helped to establish and clarify many of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.\n\nOne of the key ways that apostolicity is enshrined in the councils is through the concept of apostolic succession, which is the idea that the authority of the apostles has been passed down through the generations of bishops in an unbroken line. This concept is reflected in several of the canons and decrees of the councils, which affirmed the importance of maintaining the apostolic faith and preserving the teachings and practices of the early Church.\n\nFor example, the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD affirmed the importance of preserving the apostolic faith by establishing the Nicene Creed, which affirmed the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. The council also affirmed the role of bishops as guardians of the apostolic tradition, and it established rules for determining who could be ordained as a bishop.\n\nThe Second Council of Constantinople in 381 AD reaffirmed the teachings of the Nicene Creed and clarified the doctrine of the Holy Spirit. The council also affirmed the importance of maintaining apostolic succession and the role of bishops in preserving the apostolic faith.\n\nOverall, the teachings and decrees of the seven ecumenical councils enshrine the concept of apostolicity by affirming the importance of maintaining the apostolic faith and preserving the teachings and practices of the early Church. They also affirm the role of bishops as guardians of the apostolic tradition and establish rules and guidelines for maintaining apostolic succession."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nProtestants have classically affirmed the three creeds and seven councils\nIf you did not know this, my point is proven"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\nSo Christian theology is wrong."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nI did know this. Imagine being so goofy as to affirm councils that exclude your congregation as being outside of the collective church. Kek"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nI am telling you Christian theology; God is neither the author of evil, nor of lies, nor of sickness, nor of death"}, {"id": 47, "content": "Salvation needs to be gained by you on a journey towards renewal of mind and end of all sinning. 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did people also complain of \"wah, white's will be replaced\" when hiring blacks to sports teams (e.g. Basketball, soccer, football, etc) became common?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet us put humans who still have paleolithic physical genes in sports they totally wont overshadow us quickly due to an inherent genetic advantage. Whites are such stupid fucks now blacks dominate sports and whites now have a reputation of being un sporty wimps in their own nations. Fucking cuckold race jesus christ."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you believe race differences in sport performance are genetic?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWell, what else could they be?\nEconomic? Educational?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Their speed is a random leftover from evolution, the idea blacks sprinting could get them away from african carnivores is complete nonsense a lion can kill your ass from 20 feet away before you even notice it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nBlacks also have a good reputation in music. The reason is its easy for those of them with talent to show it quickly, i.e run 100 meters in 10 second? Talented.\nSame with music. A black musician plays some instrument and within 10 seconds you know if he has talent.\nFor more abstract jobs like \"junior marketing vice-president\" its much easier to never be given a chance."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nit is literally proven that Maasai excellence in athletics comes from muscle genetics.\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037248/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>For more abstract jobs like \"junior marketing vice-president\" its much easier to never be given a chance.\nliteral nigger cope"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIts true. Blacks are just not given chances in life except when their talent is too obvious."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAh, yes.\nThe junior marketing presidency gene that non-blacks have."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nChris Rock said he had to become a world famous celebrity to live in a white neighborhood with dentists and junior marketing vice-presidents."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nabbos used to be super fast"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nliterally the only talent blacks have is rhythm and certain sporting abilities. You're acting like blacks are some magical people who are great at everything lol"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nOh well, Chris Rock said it while doing standup, that makes it fact lol"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>literally the only talent blacks have is rhythm and certain sporting abilities.\n\nI dont. They are normal people but sports and music are the only talents they can show off in about the 10 second attention span a racist will grant them so they get opportunities in that."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\n>>15\nYou claim they excel in sports and music but they fail in other regards because whitey wants to keep them in a box? Are you trying to argue that blacks are just so superior to whites in sports and music they can't help but succeed but the only reason they fail in other areas is because of racism. Meaning you believe blacks are superior to whites in certain ways but never inferior. Your bias is showing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">if god didn't exist, we would kill and rape eachother"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the Christians didn't believe in god, they would rape and kill us. It is imperative that they keep believing, it's the only thing keeping them in line."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis is true atheist that were originally christian become retarded apes without the religion to keep them in check"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy are their crime rates so low though?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmeds, immediately"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow can there be laws without a lawmaker? Something cannot come from nothing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhere did the christian god come from?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean people still rape and kill each other. You seem to be arguing in favor of the Christian conceptualization of free will."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat’s the point of making retarded low effort threads like this? It doesn’t create any good discussion, just low tier arguments. Is it just to get traffic from dummies? Don’t you have anything better to do? A bot?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ni sometimes think these threads a shillbots to show atheists as people who argue with non-arguements and imaginary problems.\nIn fact, maybe in my free time i will larp as an atheist just like OP does. Maybe it is a fun thing to ridicule your enemy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>low-tier argument\n>can't refute it"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\nalmost all blacks are religious"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Buddhism is so good, why did the buddhist aristocracy, led by the dalai lama, skin their slaves alive for centuries in Tibet before the CPC liberated it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's so bad about that?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm going to need an explanation/source beyond this random photo. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I've just literally never heard of this before"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTibetan buddhism isn't the only buddhism out there, and Tibetan buddhism incorporated a lot of Tibetan cultural and religious practices that predate its conversion."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNot exclusively a Buddhist thing (although Buddhists in Myanmar are pieces of work as well) but more of a Tibetan aristocracy thing. They were notoriously exploitative of the Tibetan peasantry, often using them for slave labor, sexual abuse, and outright mutilation."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVajrayana is rather hardcore."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThat’s a rejection of Buddhist principals.\n>Buddhists in Myanmar are pieces of work as well\nPropaganda by muzzie crybullies and their bleeding heart western liberal allies"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nStill doesn’t negate what they did routinely. As for Myanmar, murder isn’t propaganda."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat does an unhinged minority a.k.a. tibetan \"buddhism\" has to do with buddhism as a whole?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose guys from the CPC sound like outstanding people, running around to save people from slavery and obscurantism.\nBut seriously, I hate Tibetan Buddhism just as much as any sane person but instead of rehashing Chinese propaganda (a country that isn't a role model for human rights) why don't you attack them on their modern mistreatment of the blind?\nThey had to wait until the 90's for a fucking German woman to create their version of Braille because \"muh karmic retribution\".\nCan you imagine that? Being taught basic empathy by germs? THIS is shameful."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n> although Buddhists in Myanmar are pieces of work as well\n\nTheir land got invaded by jihadis"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">THE PREVIOUS BAD REGIME MEANS WE CAN COLONIZE THEM\n\nThat didn’t work for the Yuros and it won’t work for you Chang"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt worked for them pretty good actually."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nAll CCP propaganda"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">painting sets place in the rome colosseum\n>athens acropolis in the background\ndid i enter a new timeline? this painting is proof that they used to be in the same city"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">only rome had arenas\n>only athens had temples"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtmospheric lensing"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nthe only explanation is the odeon theater, but it looks nothing like the painting"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a 19th century painting."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Seriously, what the fuck was his problem?\n\nHe had promising aspirations, choosing to be in the medical field and shit. At what point did he decide he should start torturing people in the name of \"science\" and somehow justify winning the war by that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is the point of \"promising aspirations\" if you can't do what you want? No matter how much he advanced \"his career\" post-war he wasn't going to be able to do half the things we was able to do while the war was still going on. The things he did were the things he worked all those years to have promising aspirations for."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe got the call"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish chemical and biological weapons were still used in warfare."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile his experiments were incredibly unethical and horrifying, there would have been no other opportunity to do what he did so he took his opportunity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't the United States follow up upon William Walker's victories?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>staged a coup d'état and reinstated slavery in Nicaragua\n>encourage white american immigration, wanted to kill all mestizos of Nicaragua and turn Central America into a U.S. South slave colony\n>be overthrown in less than a year\n>but escape\n>BUT be captured by the Nicaraguans\n>B-U-T they have such a distaste for you that they hand you over to be shot by the Hondurans\nFilibuster Scum of the Knights of the Golden Circle."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">victories\nsuch as being handed over to the Nicaraguans by the British (lol)?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Jack Chick a psyoy? I swear he makes Christianity look worse than any atheist ever could."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe is just your average evangelist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nname one thing wrong with this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is pretty standard stuff for Evangelical Christians, especially considering he did a lot of these when the moral majority was a huge thing in America. Even so, some of these were pretty fucked up even to Evangelicals, like the Lisa one.\nt. raised Evangelical and saw many of these growing up"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we gotta sacrifice a goat a day to keep the sun away\n\nBronze Age retardation"}, {"id": 6, "content": "No, Christianity is just genuinely retarded"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nI mean it might be correct by Christian doctrine but to the normal mildly religious person the idea that a murderer can go to heaven because he says he accepts Jesus while people who dedicate their entire lives to charity go to hell simply because they think they need to do good works instead of only relying on Jesus sounds insane and pushes them away from the religion."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSounds like normal mildly religious people are the type of people who go to hell"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The problem with Chicks comics it that they create a strawman sinner for him to take down. How many christian missionaries do you know that spent their entire lives in Africa building hospitals, schools and improving the lives of people that also never bothered to spread christianity? Its absurd to think that."}, {"id": 10, "content": "strangely vivid description of the experience of homosexuals, chick"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThat just means his rhetorical style is hyperbolic"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe anti-gay guy looks even gayer than the actual gays."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nlmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": "the concept of hell is retarded."}, {"id": 15, "content": "I think this has to be the most schizo one he's ever made"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Wikipedia says that one of the comics attempts to disprove strong nuclear force. I'd love to see this guy's physics hottakes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nBig Daddy is probably the one most infamous for being completely wrong about everything, he had a huge hate boner for evolution."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nTo be fair evolution is false"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nThe problem is that Jack is a literalist and I suspect he is bad at showing why being lukewarm is so bad."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\n>>7\nIt actually isn't correct, they are missionaries. The punishment for them is leading others astray."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHe's really obsessed with idea that catholic church was collaborating with nazis to kill jews, and thats bad because jews need to be alive to fulfill rapture prophecy"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n>i am silly"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk who is this \"Jack Chick\" guy, but it seems to me like he has a direct way of communicating that makes some people uncomfortable. But this seems pretty spot-on to me. The people who in heaven are not going to be people who believe that they are good people, they will be people who understand that they are sinners and have repented of their sins. In reality, if you ask a person like Hitler, \"Are you a good person?\" He would almost certainly have said yes. When someone says that, it's usually a sign that they are quite far gone.\nAnd yeah, we don't get into heaven because of our works. The only weird thing to me is that he seems to take the view that ministry is a numbers game. It's really not. But then, I am of the opinion that I cannot save anybody. I just share the gospel, and then God does or does not save them. I would say that it is actually impossible for me to convert even one person. So...I disagree with him that human beings can save sinners. At best, I would say that God can use human beings to save sinners."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>Wikipedia says that one of the comics attempts to disprove strong nuclear force\nwhere? I could not find this on the Jack Chick page."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nsee >>17\nHe basically says that gluons are fake and completely misunderstands how atoms work."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nI found it unintentionally hilarious just because of how out of left field it was."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\n>26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nHoly shit, what the fuck am I reading\nStill, not as insane as the literal rape one where everyone is suddenly cool with the old guy for raping his daughter (especially his wife and daughter) because he converts to Christianity"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\nChristians are taught to regard themselves as God's co-workers."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Some of these are actually pretty cool"}, {"id": 31, "content": "Jack Chick was always right.\n\nBurn your Dungeons & Dragons books and repent, sinners!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nso they believed in christ as their savour but because they did good works they are now going to hell?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>>26\n>>17\n>>15\n>>unknown\n>>12\n>>unknown\n>>10\n>>1 (OP)\nThere’s zero difference between the rhetoric espoused in Chick tracts and what 80% of American evangelicals actually believe except the tone is harsher."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\nthe Scofield bible commentary really fucked up american evangelicalism forever"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npsychotic"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFanatics make the world less boring."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\nWe aren't even co-workers, because that implies equality. We are more like employees."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>21\nHe thought Catholics were also somehow behind Communism too, he basically saw Catholics as the Jews ironic considering how much he loved actual Jews."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nTelling he didn't give any actual example since nothing like this has ever happened"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>23\nHere is how Jack Chick's comics usually go:\n>Strawman Sinner: \"Hello neighbor today I tied my shoelaces!\"\n>The Good Christian: \"Congratulations, but did you praise Jesus this morning as your Lord and Savior?\"\n>sudden relevant bible quote\n>Starman Sinner: \"What? Nah, I like tied my shoelaces into a cross bro its fine the Devil won't untie my shoelaces. Devil hates crosses and the power of christ, bro.\"\n>sudden relevant bible quote\n>The Good Christian: \"Now hold on, neighbor, I am warning you if you don't start believing and praising Jesus your shoelaces will get untied by God. IN HELL.\"\n>sudden relevant bible quote\n>TRAGEDY STRIKES AS BOTH SUDDENLY DIE\n>sudden relevant bible quote with Sinner in Hell\n>Strawman Sinner: \"Oh no, Demons! I'm in Hell, gotta run!\"\n>sudden relevant bible quote\n>trips dramatically\n>Strawman Sinner: \"My Shoelaces are untied?! How could this happen! I tied them up real good!\"\n>que the angels and shiny bright light of holiness\n>God: \"I untied your shoelaces! Behold my wrath!\"\n>sudden relevant bible quote\n>Strawman Sinner; \"NOOOOOOOOOOOO! This Cannot Be\"\n>sudden relevant bible quote\n>FIN\n>Get Saved Reader"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI read a pamphlet I found while taking a shit in Kohls. It was about how Catholics wear fish hats and worship Mary, and Satan. Did this guy hate Catholics as well and write that pamphlet? Ot is it another schizo Christian group."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nIt probably was one of his, he made a ton of anti-catholic ones\nhttps://www.chick.com/products/category?type=tracts#&&Language=English&Status=All&SortBy=A-Z&PageNumber=1&Category=Catholicism&ShowCount=12"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I have 10 threads hidden. 7 of them are atheists seething about religion"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTllC7TbM8M [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>seethes about atheism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDidn't watch"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nbased.\n>carrier isn't a serious scholar!\n>mops the floor with every \"serious scholar\" in debate"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYeah but serious scholars are also serious fags"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "OHNONO NOVUS ORDO BROS, HAVE WE BEEN FOLLOWING FALSE PROPHECY?\nhttps://youtu.be/quQb-vyM9Cw [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>posts pornography\n>claims to be traditional Catholic\nyou guys are even more demonic than Francis"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's not pornography"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWho said anything about being a traditional catholic? I’m just a comparative religion enthusiast."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThat is according to past definition, sadly everything nowadays so pornified that a straight up buttocks in a sexualised cloth doesnt count as pornographic material.\nif you claim to be trad, never post anything you wont hang on your wall and proudly show to God. Begone satan."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I heard that Faustina’s journal was mistranslated. Then again, she does share a name with the man of legend who sold his soul for wisdom."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I had a wonderful Divine Mercy Sunday and I know its 100% valid. Seethe ;)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">I’m just a comparative religion enthusiast.\nRead: \"transsexual\""}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNo troon has ever been into religion studies."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrrrraaaaaapppfffftttt\n\nImagine the smell"}, {"id": 11, "content": "& Humanities"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall prophecies are false anon"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\neuphoric"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">all prophecies are false anon"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nhow deep have we fallen"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Vatican Catholic\n\nOpinion discarded: These guys consider Palamism heretic, which is an obvious massive mistake.\n\nAlso, nobody forces you to believe divine mercy, it's a private revelation and therefore optional belief, like the first fridays of the Sacred Heart."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>reddit spacing"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Nice ass"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\nI'd hang that on my wall but then I might go to jail and not be able to direct Rick and Morty anymore"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrrtpppffffff....brrrppfff...fffff\n\nPonder the scent"}, {"id": 21, "content": "BOOTA"}, {"id": 22, "content": "BRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPTTTTT\n\nContemplate the aroma."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nPalamidm isn’t heresy but it easily leads to heresy. It should be purged from the church."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncute boybutte"}, {"id": 25, "content": "BRRPPPFF BRRRRRRPPPPPP\n\n\nBehold the fragrance."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>10\n>>18\n>>20\n>>21\n>>unknown\n>>22\n>>24\n>>25\nstay on topic"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nboybutts are quintessentially Catholic and appreciation of them is always on-topic"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPFFFFTTTTTFFFTTTTFTTTTTTTFFFFFF\n\nBRAAAPP... brrraaappppff... ffffff...\n\nSurvey the odor."}, {"id": 29, "content": "You don’t have to practice Divine Mercy devotion as a Catholic."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>3\n>pornography - \"writings of the prostitutes\"\nOP's pic looks like a whore to me."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nthat is clearly a female you deranged sodomite"}, {"id": 32, "content": "BRRPPP BRRPPPP BRRRRPP\nBRRFFFFTTTTT\n\nReflect on the exhalation."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nYou can’t tell these days."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nprove it"}, {"id": 35, "content": "I’m going to be writing my thesis on Faustina actually."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Brrrrrrppppppppppffffffff\nBRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP\nBRRRPP... BRRRPPPPPPP....\nFFFFFFFFFBBRRRRRRPPPFFFFFFFF\nFFFFF... FFFFF\n\nEnvisage the stench."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>23\n\n>Most tolerant Thomist"}, {"id": 38, "content": "BRAAAP... brap\n\nInspect the whiff."}, {"id": 39, "content": "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFF\n\nCogitate on the effluvia."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>10\n>>20\n>>unknown\n>>22\n>>25\n>>28\n>>32\n>>36\n>>38\n>>unknown\n>>39\nYou have clearly never closely smelled a woman’s fart before in your life. If you did, you wouldn’t be lusting over something so repulsive."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>You have clearly never closely smelled a woman’s fart before in your life\n\nHave you?? Ugly ones dont count."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPsnnnnniiiiiiffffffffffff...oh yes my dear....sssnnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiffffffff....quite pungent indeed...is that....dare I say....sssssssnniff...eggs I smell?......sniff sniff....hmmm...yes...quite so my darling....sniff....quite pungent eggs yes very much so .....ssssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiffffff....ah yes...and also....a hint of....sniff....cheese.....quite wet my dear....sniff...but of yes...this will do nicely....sniff.....please my dear....another if you please....nice a big now....BBBBBBRRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPFFFFFF Oh yes...very good!....very sloppy and wet my dear....hmmmmm...is that a drop of nugget I see on the rim?...hmmmm.....let me.....let me just have a little taste before the sniff my darling.......hmmmmm....hmm..yes....that is a delicate bit of chocolate my dear....ah yes....let me guess...curry for dinner?....oh quite right I am....aren't I?....ok....time for sniff.....sssssnnnnnnniiiiiiiiffffffff.....hmmm...hhhmmmmm I see...yes....yes indeed as well curry......hmmm....that fragrance is quite noticeable....yes.....onion and garlic chutney I take it my dear?.....hmmmmm....yes quite.....BBBBBBRRRRRRRRPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTT Oh I was not expecting that…that little gust my dear….you caught me off guard…yes…so gentle it was though…hmmmm…let me taste this little one…just one small sniff…..sniff…ah….ssssssnnnnnniiiiiffffffffffff…and yet…so strong…yes…the odor….sniff sniff…hmmm….is that….sniff….hmmm….I can almost taste it my dear…..yes….just…sniff….a little whiff more if you please…..ssssssnnnnnniiiiiffffffffff…ah yes I have it now….yes quite….hhhhmmmm…delectable my dear…..quite exquisite yes…..I dare say…sniff….the most pungent one yet my dear….ssssnnnnniiiifffffffffffffffffffffff….yes…."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nJoyce moment"}, {"id": 44, "content": "This thread went from discussing Novus Ordo to discussing farts. Shit that only happens on /his/. I hate this godforsaken board."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nBlame OP for baiting with a pair of beguiling buttocks. I’m glad it backfired."}, {"id": 46, "content": "brap"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "For gods sake, when will reddit get over this tired old joke?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\nNo fun allowed."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nSexo with big booty goth girls."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1\nIt made me laugh"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1\nYou must be fun at parties"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1\nI laughed. Besides, the habit of using Reddit as a scarecrow needs to stop. This border on obsession."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I wish that roman soldier was m3"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1\nFPBP.All the redditors exposed themselves in the replies."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nrent free"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">rent free"}, {"id": 11, "content": "hush young chuddy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n/his/torically accurate\nalso fags seething:\n>>1\n\n\nall in all 8.5/10 post"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1\nstfu"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\n>>2\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>9\n>>13\nYou have to go back."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1\n>reddit reddit reddit reddit\n>we hate reddit here rite guys if it's le bad it's reddit reddit reddit\nEveryone knows you cam from r/The Donald\n\nEveryone knows you arrived along with the wave of new users 4 years ago\n\nEveryone will always remember\n\n(You) will never fit in"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nWhy are they smiling if they are goth?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>muh sekrit klub\n\nNo one gives a shit"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1\nIt will continue until there's nobody left that remembers goths."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nLearning about the roman early middle ages was a cry-worthy experience.\nThe joke istir3ed, too. But it was kind of funny ironically."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nReal goths haven't existed since the 90s, those are zoomette e-thot posers"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIt's important for me to clarify that the image you're describing is not an accurate portrayal of actual historical events. While there have been many instances of invasions, sackings, and other forms of violence and conflict throughout history, the idea of \"young goth women sacking Rome\" is a fictional scenario that has not actually occurred.\n\nIt's important to be mindful of the difference between historical fact and fictional narratives, and to approach images and information with a critical eye to ensure accuracy and understanding. If you have any further questions or concerns, please let me know."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nChatGPT post"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nFuckers deserved it."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nBroken Libra\nSycophantic lies\nDemeter's hot steps\nKiller butterflies.\nI know my face, and the one that you killed."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nhomosexual"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nI would be smiling if I was breaking shit"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nDamn you're fucking smart."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why did Hitler ordered Paris to be destroyed? didnt he love Paris?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, he was jealous of its reputation as a world capital. He decided against it and to just make Berlin even more grandiose. He really should have become an architect. He spent an absurd amount of time wistfully pouring over building plans for his post-war pipe dreams with Speer."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What does /his/ think of Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism (TERFs)?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFeminism has always been about hating men the only issue between regular feminists and terfs is whether a man in a dress is actually a woman."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I actually was thinking about terfs the other day and why England seems to be such a stronghold for them\n\nSerious question: Are there any prominent Jewish feminists who are TERFs?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're right.\nTrans women aren't men but aren't women either, they're a 3rd gender.\nThat brings all sorts of practical problems, and terfs are kind of assholes when having to find solutions for those. That's the issue, in my view."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni call them \"based zombies\".\nThey are based because they eat the people i dont like, however they are zombies and should stay away from me."}, {"id": 6, "content": "They should drop the F"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Trannies are bad, but TERFs are still awful people."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What drove the Russians to genocide Circassian beauties?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA coomer post doesn't become a not coomer post just because you include some historical context."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChurkas are insufferable cavemen, they should have done the same with all Caucasians and repopulate the region with Russians"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImperialism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nwhy didn't they descomposed them ethnically like they did with tatars?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nChurkas are above Russians.\n>>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't just the Russians though, Persians and Turks and Arabs as well gangbanged Ciracassians, its just the Turks and Russians went an extra step above and beyond everyone else into moving them out of their homeland and into their empires territory."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThey did. All of caucasus is hopelesly tied to russosphere, even georgians are."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njealousy. They knew that russian women are whores by default."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nWhy would anyone want to populate cozy region with drunkard lazy slavs?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne very angry german."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "They were real."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe it"}, {"id": 3, "content": "They were real, but they were only 6 foot tall, its just everyone else was a manlet back then."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>not to scale. Or IS it??"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would the world look like if \"realism\" and diplomatic pragmatism didn't exist and modern nation-states behaved like tribal families fighting feuds and constantly ignoring the odds?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be more “romantic”"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNukes wouldn't exist and neither would the U.N but also it would be very chaotic and rather violent."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwēdōdah (Av. xᵛaētuuadaθa) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible.\n\nAccording to various sources Zoroastrians believed that incest was divinely ordained, however other sources dispute whether this practice was true, referred only to cousin marriage, and how widespread it was. I personally am skeptical due to how taboo incest is, but there have been weird cultural practices throughout history. I want to know if there is a good source that states the truth about this practice."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the all-powerful God of the Bible need to plagiarize the Epic of Gilgamesh for his Noah story?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Epic of Golgsmesh wasn’t actually considered an Epic until the Bible was written. Until then it was considered ‘leet’"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So God is basically a supremely powerful cosmic entity and Jesus is a sort of human avatar that was used 2000 years ago, but what exactly IS the Holy Spirit? God's soul?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe holy spirit is God's non-corporeal intervention on Earth-- it proceeds from God the father, and is the person that God takes on when directly intervening in current world (with the exception of the Eucharist, which is the body and blood of Jesus)\nBasically, its the method through which Providence happens"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The Holy Spirit is God's essence of being that preforms actions on earth and influences people's lives. Even those who aren't Christian. As equally Divine and separate as He is the same. One nature.\nJesus is the Son of God, led a sinless life, and died on the cross to bare all of humanities past and future sins. Equally divine and separate as He is the same. One nature.\nThe Father is Christ's father, just as he is the father of all humanity. Equally divine and separate as He is the same.\n\nThe confusions crop up when defining what exactly is the difference between God and the Father. They are agreed to be one in the same, but unlike God the Son and God the Spirit, it's unclear what separates the aspect of the Father from God himself. Maybe someone more well-read could answer this. Essentially, nowhere in biblical cannon does specifically state the trinity. However, there are what could be considered \"formulas\" to the trinity mentioned in passing several times. Christians adopted the idea of the Trinity because specific cannons needed to be declared to root out heresy, such as Nestorianism, which believed that Christ had two separate natures, one divine and one human."}, {"id": 4, "content": "There is an inflection of concept, from creator to creation, in the old Testament to New Testament."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe Holy Ghost is God, the Holy Spirit is Satan\n\nG for God, S for Satan, duh"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe holy spirit is a way to shoehorn a triune into Christianity to appease pagans\nThe same way that worship of Mary is the christian way of appeasing pagans by giving them a goddess they could worship"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nJehovah's Wiccans (JW)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how was Sean Connery able to turn Iran against the Shah and establish an oppressive dictatorship?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tall skull\n>Fatter nose\n\nThey look nothing alike!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore importantly, why did Ryan meet Hitler?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat's Alec Guinness though."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why did Bruce Willis take nuclear war so lightly?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAlmost as weird as that time Patton reincarnated in 1946, got fat, and became President later"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nsimple plastic surgery"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nwhy did weegee impale all those turks?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\ncan’t unsee"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy did America kill Mr Bean?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nLook again\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRD-qKuDYpw [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's not Sir Sean Connery, that's the first ayatollah of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ruhollah Khomeini"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nThis one's actually uncanny."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\npretty sure it’s Connery, not sure who this “Khomeini” dude is"}, {"id": 15, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Where's that picture of Arab Christian Bale?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nWe know that - this is a satire thread."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don't get it, what's the big deal?\n\nAre you people actually such race obsessed retards you will drop your entire fucking religion because God incarnate had a different skin tone than you?\n\nUtterly pathetic lookism, worse than roasties"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I think atheist's hatred of other races comes from their hatred of God, not the other way"}, {"id": 3, "content": "We've been over this, Jesus was White"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are liberals so hellbent on making Him brown?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which was more advanced in their day, ancient china or rome?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Romaboos argue over being superior\n>Chinkboos argue over being more long lasting\n>Persiaboos can laugh and just collect the money and trade profits from either side\nwtf I'm a Persiaboo too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYeah and Persians practically occupied from the roman Armenian border to sogdania and beyond. if places on the map it would be comparable to the other empires"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nWhat's crazy is that Rome, The Han, The Parthian Empire, and The Kushan Empire were all at their heights at roughly the exact same time and between them contained probably 90% of humanity. Only four states contained basically everything. That has never happened before or since. And what's even crazier is that they fell in a single 30 year period. Han becomes dynasty warriors, Rome splinters into it's own three kingdoms till Aurelian and Diocletian found what is for all intents and purposes a different empire, Parthia get Sassanid'd, and the Kushan just kinda fell apart. Just think, all of humanity in chaos all at once. The 3rd century must have seemed like the apocalypse."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Chinese bureaucracy was superior. I'm not sure about everything else. Engineering too maybe, they tamed the yellow river by building a canal. Romans were better a seafaring and maybe militarily because they learned from the Greeks and Phoenicians."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt's not strange if you consider events like the bronze age collapse relevant. There must have been some form of communication via the central Asian steppes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be a local Lukkan king named Madduwatta\n>have some beef with a (likely) Mycenaean king/vassal in the Arzawa lands and flee east to the Hittites\n>Hittite king grants you asylum and a small area to settle in exchange for being his loyal vassal and defending against Arzawan incursions\n>you spend literally every moment thereafter violating your agreement with the Hittite king while trying to carve out your own kingdom\n>invade Arzawa despite being told not to, then call the Hittite king for help after the Arzawan king counterattacks and occupies your land\n>the Mycenaean guy later comes with an army to kill you, and you run away and beg the Hittite king to help you again\n>after the king saves your ass again, he keeps a Hittite garrison there to keep an eye on you, so you lead the soldiers to an ambush and get them killed\n>then you set up a marriage alliance with the Arzawan king\n>when the Hittite king asks you wtf you're doing, you say it's actually a trap to lure the Arzawan king to kill him, just trust me bro\n>doesn't matter anymore since even the Arzawan king doesn't trust you and calls off the alliance\n>then you start conquering some adjacent lands for yourself, despite your Hittite liege-lord claiming that land already\n>you also join forces with that same Mycenaean guy you had a conflict with in the beginning and raid Hittite tributaries like Alasiya together\n>somehow this entire time, the Hittite king hasn't had you killed\n\nAny other based historical figures who constantly trolled their lieges?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Yugoslav wars were the most interesting thing that have happened in the last 50 years, it’s surprising how little cultural impact it haves"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, I agree. I live in the Balkans so it's natural this topic attracts me somewhat, but everything about these wars is so surreal. It's just morbidly interesting how fast a country can collapse. You had Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks hanging out with barbecue and beer for decades, and then the next second they're genociding each other and setting up rape concentration camps"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christianity is a hylic's \"higher ideals\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">vaticancatholic.com\n>constantly attack Protestants and Orthodox for being \"schismatics\"\n>Is a schismatic sedevacantist cult itself\nHow does anyone take them seriously?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>constantly attack Protestants and Orthodox for being \"schismatics\"\nschismatics of pre-Vatican 2 Catholicism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are French people Latin or Germanic? Are Italians actually white, or are they niggers? Do Turks or Syrians count as white? Do Slavs count as white? What about Amerimutts?\n\nWhat I want to know is: Why the fuck does it matter? Aren't all people mixed? Nobody is pure anything."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHaploautists are much bigger retards than you realize, because there is literally only a 1% genetic diffefrence between any two given races. Thats what all this fuss is about, 1%.\n\nThey also assert that this 1% is enough of a difference to make up differences in intelligence, which, as you've pointed out, mixed race people exist, meaning through Heterosis, if any difference in intelligence at all even exists, then it shouldn't even fucking matter.\n\nWhat's really fucking retarded is they think Africa is a shithole specifically because of their race, which if that were true, shouldn't every African nation have the same exact level of human development? Because they don't, even amongst African nations, human development varies wildly."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\ni just think black women are ugly."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThats fair actually, I think most black women are ugly, except for Jamaicans. There's something about Jamaican women and their accents that make my cock rock hard."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nEast Africans look the best"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite people are objectively more good looking, i think its the variations of hair and eye color"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>>3\nSo modern racism is just perpetuated by coomers?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm 100% pure Aryan white\n>>3\nFag"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>I'm 100% pure Aryan white\n\nYou're 110% a faggot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Italians"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can be former versions of countries, for example\n>Rhodesia not Zimbabwe\n>Solomid Ethiopia\n>Gaddafi Libiya\n>Communist Russia"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWill you fags EVER stop seething over Rhodesia? As if it would've become some kinda modern utopia. Christ. Everyone on this board is so ignorant and coomer-brained."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHoly shit rent free\nI just asked what countries /his/ wished were still around. Modern Zimbabwe is a shithole its not hard to imagine people would rather it be Rhodesia"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Communist Russia\n>Gaddafi Libya\n\nI should've focused on these other totally sound choices, you're right."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou are autistic I'm just giving random examples to clarify what I mean lol.\n\nTerminally online. Take a break."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "After witnessing the amount of bullshit spewed by the media in regards to St. Floyd, I became interested in the Civil Rights movement and how much of it is fiction. The MSM had total cultural hegemony back then so certainly some of the narratives around the movement are suspect.\n\nI came across this article about how Rosa Parks was a communist and activist rather than just some random black lady like the official narrative would imply:\n\nhttps://brianscottmackenzie.medium.com/meet-the-real-rosa-parks-a86366235c19\n\nWhat are some other instances of false narratives about this period?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not only that, she worked for the NAACP for years and the incident on the bus was completely fabricated. An incident identical to it did happen, but the woman in question was a teenage mom with a record and no father in the picture. The NAACP thought it was a good story but bad optics, so they had their then secretary Rosa Parks act out the same scenario because she was light skinned and had a respectable career. It was manufactured to tug at the heartstrings of white Americans, that's just a fact."}, {"id": 3, "content": "There are a lot of parallels between the Civil Rights Movement and the current culture war that culminated in the 2020 riots. Most of the “activists” were upper middle class white college kids from places like New York and Boston. White women are historically incapable of minding their own business."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I came across this article about how Rosa Parks was a communist\nShe was not a communist; she attended some American communist party meetings with her husband. If you research the Scottsboro Boys case and how important the communist party was in assisting the defendents then you will understand why civil rights advocates may have had some connection to socialism.\n>and activist rather than just some random black lady like the official narrative would imply\nIts stated in the first paragraph of her Wikipedia bio that it was an NAACP plot. I was taught this in school, as well. Maybe the average person remembers it this way, but any basic research counters it.\n>What are some other instances of false narratives about this period?\nThe Pentagon Papers"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Scottsboro Boys\nAh yes, the case where both victims were known to have had attempted bribes to recant by the International Labor Defense as they pissed off the kike lawyer in charge by getting caught while doing so, the one who recanted her testimony became a speaker for the ILD doing trips for cash, and the actual judgements all state that out of the nine accused all but two of them were actually fully guilty of doing it while two others were let off due to their young age when they raped them.\nEven the supreme court case totally relies on calling southerners racist for not having black jurors in the case and nothing else."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI don't know if any of that is true or false. The point is that the American Communist Party was more radical in its support of civil rights than any other party."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat doesn't undermine the story. It just means she was presented as less radical in descriptions these days."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nAll justified to destroy Jim Crow. If all it took to destroy your regime was a pointing out its hypocrisy then its justifications for existing was weak and those who claimed they would die to defend it even weaker.\n\nSeethe and sneed"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSegregation is the only sensible policy"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nJim Crow had to be killed with a bayonet point.\nCivil Rights, a terrorist movement so grounded in reality is can only be furthered by armed soldiers pointing weapons at children."}, {"id": 11, "content": "\"civil rights\" was literally forced upon the American population by force\nI don't know much about Rosa, but I know that MLK was just a face for a jewish communist trying to push for civil rights. His name was Stanley Levison, apart from writing MLK's speeches, hosting his events and funding MLK through the American jewish congress, he is also known for fighting to free a pair of communist jews who were spying on the US for the USSR\nSo yeah, it's all fake, and if you start looking it's always the same people behind it. I wonder why"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nContext: the governor had called them in to keep the schools closed because he knew he could capitalize on it politically, despite the SCOTUS ruling in 1954 and the local school board's plan to integrate. Ike wasn't a radical by any means but he didn't take kindly to states using force to disobey federal law, so he ordered the troops to steer people away from riots and prevent assaults on the black kids.\n>>10\nLol the key point of the civil rights movement especially before the mid 60s was its nonviolent character. People turned on the evening news and saw police in an outwardly mannerly and honor-bound region beating up people who were just walking around with signs."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Actual Context: US Troops forcing kids around at bayonet point over insufficient black worship"}, {"id": 14, "content": "every /his/ thread about segregation"}, {"id": 15, "content": "The liberal establishment never did credit Nixon for his success in eliminating segregated schools in the South; for all the sound and fury of Brown v. Board of Education, Little Rock, etc, over 80% of Southern schools were still segregated in 1968. By 1972 that had changed dramatically. Nixon gave Southern states a number of tempting offers in exchange for desegregating including more representation in Federal posts, which they had long been excluded from, and various government contracts and other handouts. It proved remarkably more effective than integrating schools at gunpoint."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe biggest redpill, actually blackpill, about the Civil Rights Movement is that the same people who created the CSA/Jim Crow Laws created the Civil Rights Movement. The Supreme Council of Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction, USA), Knights of the Golden Circle/Klu Klux Klan and B'nai B'rith, better known as the \"Defender of Civil Rights\" ADL. They plan was the same as their political progeny now: have an upper caste of Jews/Whites that own and rule over a majority Mestizo/Black horde that is dependent on their master for survival. The only significant change is that instead of conquest of the Latin/Caribbean countries they're importing and then subsidizing them to replace the nation.\n\nhttps://www.transnotitia.com/freemasonry-and-the-confederacy/\nhttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1513270593134731267.html\nhttps://www.google.com/search?BtnSrch=Search&q=albert+pike+klan&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&as_q=%28site%3Alarouchepub.com+%7C+site%3Aexecutiveintelligencereview.com%29\nhttps://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=fagan&book=illuminati&readAll=true (F3 \"Now to remove all\" and and read the following)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nhttp://knights-of-the-golden-circle.blogspot.com/2010/04/anti-defamation-league.html\n>\"The Knights of the Golden Circle, Freemasonry, and other Secret Societies infiltrated the leaders of the North and South. Judah P. Benjamin was a Jewish strategist (who some believe worked for the House of Rothschild) who had a crucial part in the Civil War. Benjamin lived from 1811 to 1884. Now, he was born as a British subject in the West Indies. Judah Philip Benjamin became a citizen of America. His father was one of the founders of the Reform congregation in America (His father was Philip Benjamin from England). Benjamin was raised in Charleston, South Carolina. Judah Benjamin owned slaves. He was a traitor to his Jewish race since his ancestors experienced Egyptian oppression, yet he supported slavery that was oppressive against black Americans. That is why Republican Benjamin Wade of Ohio accused him of being an Israelite in Egyptian clothing.\" Wade is right, because Judah Benjamin deserted the real tenets of the religion of Moses. In September 1861, Judah Benjamin was the Confederate Secretary of War. Later, he became the Confederate States’ Secretary of State. He quarreled with the Confederate Generals P.G.T. Beauregard and Stonewall Jackson. This came to a head over the loss of Roanoke Island to the Union \"without a fight\" in February 1862"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\n>She was not a Nazi; she attended some American Nazi party meetings with her husband.\nSame energy"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Confederate leader Jefferson Davis was responsible for this. Judah Benjamin was so desperate after Confederate defeats that he said that: “…Let us say to every Negro who wishes to go into the ranks, 'Go and fight - you are free…“ Robert E. Lee supported the proposal, but it was too late. The Civil War ended the Confederate nation. Judah Benjamin died in Paris at May 6, 1884. Some have accused Benjamin of being a conspirator of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination. Yet, those responsible for Lincoln’s assassination didn’t include Benjamin per se, but the Vatican/Jesuit network (since many coconspirators like Surratt, etc. were in fact Roman Catholics), the Knights of the Golden Circle, and other secret orders (working with the international banking elite). This has been proven by numerous books from CT Wilcox’s book to others. According to Joseph Geringer, John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle.\""}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>“…The Independent Order of B’nai B’rith formed in 1843 as a Jewish community subproject in the restoration of Masonry by the Scottish Rite and the British foreign office. Though most of its lodges were in the North, B’nai B’rith was openly proConfederate. Though it claimed to be neutral in the war, many of the Order’s Northern spokesmen were stridently pro-slavery. B’nai B’rith’s post-Civil War leaders were pro-Confederate operatives, including later president Simon Wolf, who had been arrested by the War Department in Washington, D.C. as the lawyer for a Confederate spy ring. \"Rabbi Isaac Wise established B’nai B’rith’s center for the \"liberalizing\" of Judaism in Cincinnati, Ohio-coinciding with Cincinnati’s other great Scottish Rite scheme, the launching of the Knights of the Golden Circle. Wise was officially neutral in the Civil War. Core leaders of the B’nai B’rith from then on have been Scottish Rite Masons. The political establishment associated with the Order has always had its headquarters in London…”\n\n>It’s a known historical fact that many Sephardic Jews (not all Jews), related to the B’nai B’rith were involved in the slave trade. Charleston’s B’nai B’rith leader Edwin Deleon’s family were slave traders. Deleon advocated a stronger Anglo-American alliance. The B’nai B’rith lodge was pro-slavery for the most part. Simon Wolf (18551953) was one of the famous Order of the B’nai B’rith members who was arrested by Lafayette C. Baker (Chief of the U.S. Secret Service) on charges on spying and blockading the Confederacy. In fact, Wolf and Benjamin Peixoto (another B’nai B’rith person) were close friends with John Wilkes Booth (assassin of Abraham Lincoln and according to Izola Forrester’s This One Mad Act was again a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle. Forrester was John Wilkes Booth’s granddaughter so this source does indeed have credibility)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\n\n>>8\nNixon understood politics and making deals fairly well but Eisenhower had been the wrong guy to do it; he was a military man and didn't understand anything but force majure."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\nwhy wasn’t infrastructure fixed directly instead of opting for integration\nThey could’ve just had separate classrooms in the same building\nThat’s what a lot of the teachers on both sides wanted at the time. People still work together shit"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Let it also be known that many Jewish people opposed slavery and publicly called for the freedom of African Americans during the 19th century. In the Civil War, twice as many Jews fought for the Union as for the Confederacy. Northern Jews, many of them recent German immigrants, were strongly pro-republican and anti-slavery. Now let’s go into the 20th century. James Bulloch was a confederate exile, which was Judah Benjamin’s secret service liaison man in England. Bulloch a Confederate chief arms procurer. He was arrested in 1854 in the Cuban/Quitman fiasco. Gustavus Myers was a channel between Judah Benjamin and August Belmont. Hays and many Jewish leaders in Virginia back then were linked to the Rothschilds of London and the Freemasons"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>Thus, back then, white supremacism and Freemasonry were clearly intertwined. Even so, Freemasons were well-represented both in pro-abolitionist Union forces and anti-abolitionist Confederate forces. In other words, American Freemasonry had already adopted the main form of the pliers. Yet, it remains to be seen whether one of the two jaws bit harder than the other. To find out, let us turn to the relationship between white supremacism and Jewish supremacism, especially during the period when the latter started to take on the characteristics of Jewish freemasonry (i.e., of the B’nai B’rith). One individual is at the crossroads of all these occult networks: Judah Philip Benjamin (1811-1884). This Jewish lawyer of British origin became American senator after his naturalization and was also number two within the Confederacy, behind Jefferson Davis, who, according to some, was his real boss, as he occupied several key positions, including Chief of Intelligence, which earned him the nickname “the brains of Confederacy”\n\n>The worldview of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) today is clearly reflected in the words of Confederate Judah Benjamin, a British intelligence agent and member of Albert Pike's Scottish Rite Masonic circles. In 1856, Benjamin claimed, \"Only slaves can farm the tropics,\" and complained that the independence movement that freed Haiti's slaves in 1891 had sunk Haiti. That claim is not a historical oddity. In the early 20th century, it was the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) that revived the Ku Klux Klan, a group that murdered and terrorized black Americans"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nhttps://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=fagan&book=illuminati&readAll=true\n>Now to remove all doubts; I'll take a few moments to give you the documentary proof of this racial-strife plot. First of all they had to create the leadership and organizations to draw in millions of dupes, both Jewish and Negroes, who would do the demonstrating and commit the rioting, looting, and lawlessness. So in 1909; Schiff, the Lehmans, and other conspirators, organized and set up the \"National Association for the Advancement of the Coloured People\" known as the \"NAACP.\" The presidents, directors, and legal councils of the NAACP were always \"white men Jews\" appointed by Schiff and this is the case to this very day\n\n>Then in 1913; the Schiff group organized the \"Anti-defamation League of the B'nai B'rith\" commonly known as the \"ADL\" to serve as the gestapo and hatchet-man outfit for the entire great conspiracy. Today the sinister \"ADL\" maintains over 2,000 agencies in all parts of our country and they advise and completely control every action of the \"NAACP\" or of the \"Urban League\" of all the other so-called Negro civil-rights organizations throughout the nation including such leaders as Martin Luther King, Stockely Carmichael, Barnard Rustin, and others of the ilk\n\n>In addition; the \"ADL\" acquired absolute control of the advertising-budgets of many department-stores, hotel-chains, and TV and Radio industrialist sponsors, also advertising-agencies in order to control practically all the mass-communications media and force every loyal newspaper to slant and falsify the news and to further incite; and, at the same time create sympathy for; the lawlessness and violence of the Negro mobs\n\n>Here is documentary proof of the beginning of their deliberate plot to foment the Negroes into all their lawlessness"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Around 1910; one Israel Zangwill wrote a play entitled \"The Melting-Pot.\" It was sheer propaganda to incite the Negroes and Jews because the play purportedly visualized how the American people were discriminating against, and persecuting Jews and Negroes. At that time nobody seemed to realize that it was a propaganda play. It was that cleverly-written. The propaganda was well wrapped-up in the truly great entertainment in the play and it was a big Broadway Hit\n\n>Now in those years, the legendary Diamond Jim Brady used to throw a banquet at the famous Delmonico Restaurant in New York after the opening-performance of a popular play. He threw such a party for the cast of \"The Melting-Pot,\" its author, producer, and chosen Broadway celebrities. By then I'd already made a personal mark on the Broadway Theater and was invited to that party. There I met George Bernard Shaw and a Jewish writer named Israel Cohen. Zangwill, Shaw, and Cohen were the ones who created the Fabian Society in England and had worked closely with a Frankfurt Jew named Mordicai who had changed his name to Karl Marx; but remember, at that time both Marxism and Communism were just emerging and nobody paid much attention to either and nobody suspected the propaganda in the writings of those three really brilliant writers"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nIs he wrong?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>At that banquet; Israel Cohen told me that he was then engaged in writing a book which was to be a follow-up on Zangwill's \"The Melting- Pot.\" The title of his book was to be \"A Racial-Program for the 20th Century.\" At that time I was completely absorbed by my work as a playwright, and significant as that title was, its real-objective never dawned on me nor was I interested in reading the book. But it suddenly hit me with the force of a hydrogen-bomb when I received a newspaper clipping of an item published by the Washington D.C. Evening Star in May 1957. That item was a verbatim reprint of the following excerpt in Israel Cohen's book \"A Racial-Program for the 20th Century\" and it read as I quote:\n\n>\"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races, that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can move them to the program of the communist party. In America; we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites; we will instill in the whites a guilt-complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige; the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.\"\n\n>That same excerpt was entered into the Congressional Record of June 7, 1957; by Representative Thomas G. Abernethy. Thus the authenticity of that passage in Cohen's book was fully established. But the one question that remained in my mind was whether it represented the official policy or plot of the Communist Party or just a personal expression of Cohen himself. Hence I sought more proof and I found it in an official pamphlet published in 1935 by the New York Communist Party's official Workers' Library Publishers"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>That pamphlet was entitled: \"The Negroes in a Soviet America.\" It urged the Negroes to rise-up; form a soviet-state in the south, and apply for admission to the Soviet Union. It contained a firm pledge that the revolt would be supported by all American \"reds\" and all so-called \"liberals\". On page 38; it promised that a Soviet government would confer greater benefits to Negroes than to whites and again this official communist pamphlet pledged that; I quote: \"any act of discrimination or prejudice against a Negro will become a crime under the revolutionary law.\"\n\n>That statement proved that the excerpt in Israel Cohen's book published in 1913 was an official-edict of the Communist Party and directly in line with the Illuminati-blueprint for world-revolution issued by Weishaupt and later by Albert Pike\n\n>Now there's only one question and that is to prove that the communist regime is directly controlled by the American Jacob Schiff and the London Rothschild masterminds of the great conspiracy. A little later I will provide that proof that will remove even a remote doubt that the Communist Party, as we know it, was created by those masterminds (capitalists if you will note); Schiff, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds that planned and financed the entire Russian Revolution; the murder of the Czar and his family, and that Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin took their orders directly from Schiff and the other capitalists whom they supposedly are fighting"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n\nYes. yes, he is."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>Now can you see why the vile Earl Warren and his equally vile co-Supreme Court justices issued that infamous and treasonous desegregation-decision in 1954? It was to aid and abet the plot of the Illuminati conspirators to create tension and strife between the Negroes and Whites. Can you see why the same Earl Warren issued his decision prohibiting Christian-prayers and Christmas-carols in our schools? Why Kennedy did likewise? And can you see why Johnson and 66 Senators, despite the protests of 90% of the American people, voted for the \"Consular Treaty\" which opens our entire country to Russian spies and saboteurs? All those 66 Senators are 20th century Benedict Arnolds\n\n>It is up to you and you, all of the American people, to force Congress, our elected servants, to haul in those American traitors for impeachments and that when proven guilty; they all be given the punishment prescribed for traitors who aid and abet our enemies. And that includes the enforcing of rigid investigations by Congress of the \"CFR\" and all their fronts, such as the \"ADL,\" the \"NAACP,\" \"SNIC,\" and such Illuminati tools as Martin Luther King\n\n>Such investigations will completely unmask all the leaders in Washington, D.C. and the Illuminati and all their affiliations and affiliates as traitors carrying-out the Illuminati plot. It will completely unmask the United Nations as the intended crux of the entire plot and force Congress to take the U.S. out of the U.N. and hurl the U.N. out of the U.S.. In fact; it will destroy the U.N. and the entire plot"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>8\nAh yes all the black youths stabbing up teachers sure proved the racist wrong. Its a mystery why whites didnt want these people around their youth isnt it?"}, {"id": 33, "content": "lol at this /pol/ schizobabble spam dump in here"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>Before I close this phase; I wish to reiterate and stress one vital point which I urge you to never forget if you wish to save our country for your children and their children. Here is the point. Every unconstitutional and unlawful act committed by Woodrow Wilson, by Franklin Roosevelt, by Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy and that are now being committed by Johnson (and today; George Bush and Bill Clinton) is exactly in line with the Illuminati conspirators centuries-old plot outlined by Weishaupt and Albert Pike\n\n>Every vicious decision issued by the traitorous Earl Warren and his equally-traitorous Supreme Court justices was directly in line with what the Illuminati-blueprint required. That all the treason committed by our State Department under Rusk and earlier by John Foster Dulles, and Marshall, also all the treason committed by McNamara and his predecessors is directly in line with that same Illuminati-blueprint for the takeover of the world. Also the amazing treason by various members of our Congress, especially by the 66 Senators who signed for the Consular Treaty, has been committed on orders from the Illuminati"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nWhy?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nI'm ( >>16 ) not /pol/fag, in fact most of them probably hate me. And these are not theories, but studied and proven facts.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonini_lette\n>The Simonini letter is the earliest modern example of a document claiming a Jewish conspiracy and coalition with the Illuminati\n\n>The Simonini letter was a document sent to French author Augustin Barruel in 1806. Barrue had recently published a book claiming that a conspiracy had led to the French Revolution in 1797, when he received the letter from an author identifying himself as Jean-Baptiste Simonini. The letter was dated August 1, 1806 and Barruel received it in Paris on August 20 of the same year\n\n>The author, who identified himself as Jean-Baptiste Simonini of Florence, Italy claimed to have infiltrated the Piedmont Jewish community by claiming to have been a baptized Jew who wanted to restore his connection with his ancestral \"nation\". The Jews revealed to him that both the Freemasons and the Illuminati were founded by them and that they were planning on taking over Europe. It is one of the earliest instances of the idea of a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory as well as conspiracy involving a cabal of Jews trying to take over the world"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nAmerica has literally create by Anglo-Americans Freemasons and funded by Sabbatean-Frankist Jews. Lafayette, Ben Franklin and Washington were in the same masonic lodge (9 sisters) as Voltaire, Diderot and many more. Google \"Junius Frey\" \"Adam Weishaupt\" or \"Jacob Frank\" or even \"John Desaguliers\". The Jewish idea of the American Dream and the way it was propagated in music, cinema, entertainment and education is what held America together and made its pop culture conquer the world. Before Jews became the elite in Hollywood and New York there was very little that could be defined as American imagery and identity. Even the idealised portrayal of the Old West is a Jewish construct. The idyllic image of prairies and wholesome rural life? Jewish fiction. WASPs only reach their true potential with jewish helping hands. And this is not only true for America but for Europe too. Who do you think financed the Renaissance and the Age of Discoveries? Even things the Europeans on this board complain about like Liberalism and Communism/Marxism are European creations honed in America and re-exported to Europe (Herbert Marcuse, father of the New Left, worked for the OSS/CIA. The same CIA that was helped by fugitive Nazis/Facists against the Advancement of Communism in the West. Google \"Operation Gladio\")."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nMoses Seixas was the 1st president of the the 1st synagogue in North America and the 1st grand master over the 1st Masonic lodge in Rhode Island. In fact, Moses Seixas was the grand master over TWO Masonic Lodges. And the very lodge George Washington was a member of was named after the 1st in North America. George attended St. John's Lodge No. 2 named after the Jews' lodge St. John's Lodge No. 1. Not only was Moses Seixas the president of the 1st synagogue, 1st grand master over the 1st Masonic lodge, and a 2nd lodge Providence. He was a member of a very large slave trading family in the South."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>\"In the year 1749, the first Masonic Lodge was established. Ninety percent of the members of this first lodge, fourteen all told, were Jews. And one knows that only so-called \"prominent\" individuals were accepted. Twenty years later, the second Masonic Lodge, \"King David,\" was established. It is a fact that all of these members were Jews. In the meantime, the Jewish influence in Newport had reached such proportions that President George Washington decided to pay them a visit. Upon his appearance, both of the Masonic Lodges sent an emissary — a Jew named Moses Seixas (4) — to approach the President with a petition, in which the Jews of Newport stated: \"If you will permit the children of Abraham to approach you with a request, to tell you that we honor you, and feel an alliance and then: \"Until the present time the valuable rights of a free citizen have been withheld. However, now we see a new government coming into being based on the Majesty of the people, a government, not sanctioning any bigotry nor persecution of the Jew, rather, to concede the freedom of thought, which each shares, whatever Nation or Language, as a part of the great Government machine.\""}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>>38\nSo the entirety of modern political discourse is fake and gay then?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nThe portrayal of the Old West came from Northern England and Norway, not from Jews."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>7\n>That doesn't undermine the story\nHow?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>24\n>The worldview of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) today is clearly reflected in the words of Confederate Judah Benjamin, a British intelligence agent and member of Albert Pike's Scottish Rite Masonic circles. In 1856, Benjamin claimed, \"Only slaves can farm the tropics,\" and complained that the independence movement that freed Haiti's slaves in 1891 had sunk Haiti. That claim is not a historical oddity. In the early 20th century, it was the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) that revived the Ku Klux Klan, a group that murdered and terrorized black Americans\nFunny how Trotsky was part of B'nai B'rith and helped a author one of the greatest books on the Haitian Revolution.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._L._R._James\n>Cyril Lionel Robert James (4 January 1901 – 31 May 1989), who sometimes wrote under the pen-name J. R. Johnson, was a Trinidadian historian, journalist and Marxist. His works are influential in various theoretical, social, and historiographical contexts. His work is a staple of Marxism, and he figures as a pioneering and influential voice in postcolonial literature. A tireless political activist, James is the author of the 1937 work World Revolution outlining the history of the Communist International, which stirred debate in Trotskyist circles, and in 1938 he wrote on the Haitian Revolution, The Black Jacobins"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>In April 1939, James visited Trotsky in Coyoacán, México. James stayed there about a month and also met Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo, before returning to the United States in May 1939. A key topic that James and Trotsky discussed was the \"Negro Question\". Parts of their conversation were transcribed, with James sometimes referred to by his pen-name, J. R. Johnson. Whereas Trotsky saw the Trotskyist Party as providing leadership to the black community, in the general manner that the Bolsheviks provided guidance to ethnic minorities in Russia, James suggested that the self-organised struggle of African Americans would precipitate a much broader radical social movement"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmmett Till was not lynched. A lynching was, by definition, a public spectacle, but Till was abducted and killed under cover of night."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>35\n\npeople white people are not a \"members only\" club. its just people with fair light skin."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>3\nAmazing and correct post"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMartin Luther King watched as a member of his church raped a chick in a hotel room and encouraged him. The FBI has tapes of it that are going to be released this decade.\n\nMalcom X was pretty much a black Chud."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>2\n>because she was light skinned\nI wish you could get it through your head that American racists see a black as a black and make no distinctions between ls and ds. It's an extreme of hypodescent. Even a black person who can pass as white, and thus must be some 80%+ white, is considered black."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>Malcom X was pretty much a black Chud.\nsure but he def looks, talks, and acts like a chad\nIt is amazing what carrying yourself with dignity can do."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>its just people with fair light skin.\nSo that means Asians are included, right?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\n>le race is just skin color and not a de facto ethnicity"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\nBased Malcolm X"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>46\n..And is access to people with light skin a human right?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>48\nThe FBI director spying on King was a self-hating mulatto cross-dressing pedophile blackmailed by the Mafia. As the saying goes, the dirty talking about the bad-washed.\n\n>In fact, as various memoirs have established, Hoover was obsessed with Martin Luther King Jr. and his Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Earlier, he targeted black newspaper publishers and leftist black celebrities such as singer Paul Robeson\n\n>Rumours of Hoover's black roots are not entirely new, of course. Some years ago, novelist Gore Vidal told biographer Anthony Summers ( Official and Confidential: the Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover) that it was \"always said in my family and around the city [Washington, D.C.]that he was mulatto. People said he came from a family that had 'passed.' \""}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>Lewis Rosenstiel, founder of Schenley Industries, was a close friend of Hoover's and the primary contributor to the J. Edgar Hoover Foundation. In his biography Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover (1993), journalist Anthony Summers quoted Rosenstiel's fourth wife, Susan, as claiming to have seen Hoover engaging in cross-dressing in the 1950s at all-male parties at the Plaza Hotel with her husband, attorney Roy Cohn, and young male prostitutes. Another Hoover biographer, Burton Hersh, later corroborated this story\n\n>Summers alleged the Mafia had blackmail material on Hoover, which made Hoover reluctant to pursue organized crime aggressively. According to Summers, organized crime figures Meyer Lansky and Frank Costello obtained photos of Hoover's alleged homosexual activity with Tolson and used them to ensure that the FBI did not target their illegal activities. Additionally, Summers claimed that Hoover was friends with Billy Byars Jr., an alleged child pornographer and producer of the film The Genesis Children\n\n>Another Hoover biographer who heard the rumors of homosexuality and blackmail, however, said he was unable to corroborate them, though it has been acknowledged that Lansky and other organized crime figures had frequently been allowed to visit the Del Charro Hotel in La Jolla, California, which was owned by Hoover's friend, and staunch Lyndon Johnson supporter, Clint Murchison Sr. Hoover and Tolson also frequently visited the Del Charro Hotel. Summers quoted a source named Charles Krebs as saying, \"on three occasions that I knew about, maybe four, boys were driven down to La Jolla at Hoover's request.\""}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>Skeptics of the cross-dressing story point to Susan Rosenstiel's lack of credibility (she pleaded guilty to attempted perjury in a 1971 case and later served time in a New York City jail). Recklessly indiscreet behavior by Hoover would have been totally out of character, whatever his sexuality. Most biographers consider the story of Mafia blackmail unlikely in light of the FBI's continuing investigations of the Mafia. Although never corroborated, the allegation of cross-dressing has been widely repeated. In the words of author Thomas Doherty, \"For American popular culture, the image of the zaftig FBI director as a Christine Jorgensen wanna-be was too delicious not to savor.\" Biographer Kenneth Ackerman says that Summers' accusations have been \"widely debunked by historians\"\n\n>The journalist Liz Smith wrote that Cohn told her about Hoover's rumored transvestism \"long before it became common gossip.\""}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>48\n>the fbi is going to release politically damning classified documents just because the law says so"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>According to Summers, organized crime figures Meyer Lansky and Frank Costello obtained photos of Hoover's alleged homosexual activity with Tolson and used them to ensure that the FBI did not target their illegal activities\nMeyer Lansky funded the ADL and his granddaughter worked on it.\n\n>Although a member of the Jewish Mob, Lansky undoubtedly had strong influence with the Italian Mafia and played a large role in the consolidation of the criminal underworld (although the full extent of this role has been the subject of some debate, as he himself denied many of the accusations against him)\n\n>Despite nearly fifty years as a member-participant in organized crime, Lansky was never found guilty of anything more serious than illegal gambling. He has a legacy of being one of the most successful (in terms of finance) gangsters in American history\n\n>Meyer Lansky, one of the architects of modern organized crime in the United States and connected woth “Murder, Incorporated,” was a strong supporter of and donor to the ADL. His granddaughter, Mira Lansky Boland, was an ADL official — ironically, her position is listed as “liaison to law enforcement.” She arranged expense-paid luxury tours to Israel, the world capital of sex trafficking, for certain key law enforcement officials who had “something to offer” the ADL in return — among them Tom Gerard\n\n>Moe Dalitz, organized crime boss of Las Vegas, was a long-time supporter of the ADL and a close friend of Meyer Lansky. In 1982, Dalitz received the “Torch of Liberty” award from the ADL\n\n>Theodore Silbert, mafia front man worked simultaneously for the ADL and the Sterling National Bank (a mafia operation controlled by the Lansky syndicate)\n\n>Michael Milken, convicted financial criminal of “junk bond” fame, was a major contributor to the ADL"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>Theodore Silbert worked simultaneously for the ADL and the Sterling National Bank (a mafia operation controlled by the Lansky syndicate)\n\n>In 1993 the San Francisco and Los Angeles offices of the ADL were raided for evidence of criminal wrongdoing in many spheres. The raids turned up evidence of the ADL’s compliance in the theft of confidential police files stolen from California police departments. The ADL had been paying Roy Bullock a salary for decades to spy on people and steal police files. He stole files from SFPD through corrupt cop Tom Gerard. His illicit contact in San Diego was white racist sheriff Tim Carroll\n\n>The ADL has been linked closely to organized crime, especially Las Vegas Mafia boss Meyer Lansky. Theodore Silbert worked simultaneously for the ADL and the Sterling National Bank (a Mafia operation controlled by the Lansky syndicate). As a matter of fact the granddaughter of the Mafia boss Lansky, Mira Lansky Boland herself is the ADL’s liaison to law enforcement. (What a convenient arrangement! She used ADL money to treat Tim Carroll and Tom Gerard to an allexpense paid luxury vacation in Israel.)\n\n>Another Las Vegas gangster, Moe Dalitz was honored by the ADL in 1985. Another among the shady contributors to the ADL’s supremacist activities is the Milken Family Fund, of “junk bond” fame. The ADL uses its well-oiled propaganda machine to protect their “friends” in the Mafia and pornography industry by shrieking “Anti-Semitism!” at the slightest movement of the law against these perverse interests"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>50\n>>53\nDid you guys know that Malcolm X was a homosexual prostitute that exclusively served white men? Yeah... he was pretty much the opposite of what he claimed to be.\n\n>A source who knew Malcolm had told Perry that as a teenager, Malcolm had been employed in 1946 by William Paul Lennon, a wealthy Bostonian. Lennon paid Malcolm “to disrobe him, place him on his bed, sprinkle him with talcum powder, and massage him until he reached his climax.”\n\n>This wasn’t an unfamiliar story. The Autobiography of Malcolm X had a profile of a young man named ‘Rudy’, who was something like a male escort. As the passage reads:\n\n>“Once a week, Rudy went to the home of this old, rich Boston blueblood, pillar-of-society aristocrat. He paid Rudy to undress them both, then pick up the old man like a baby, lay him on his bed, then stand over him and sprinkle him all over with talcum powder. Rudy said the old man would actually reach his climax from that.”"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">people discuss actual facts about the civil rights era\n>some faggot gets assmad and start blogspamming random shit without any pertinence to the thread while making shit up about jews actually having been integral to europe and america over things they had no part in\nTiresome but expected. It's the same MO they use on /tv/ when people start talking about something they don't want spread."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\n>>60\nBtw It was the ADL that passed MLK's compromising recordings to the FBI.\n\n>Back in 1919-1920, Hoover's Bureau, in conducting its nationwide raids and arrests, “coordinated its work closely with a 250,000 member right-wing vigilante group, the American Protective League,” supported by business leaders. In later years Hoover continued to augment the FBI's spying networks and files with other business-supported organizations, above all the American Legion' and its postwar offshoot the American Security Council (ASC). The second major network supplementing the FBI was the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). According to its prominent critic Alfred M. Lilienthal, “the ADL... works closely with the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad, and sometimes with the FBI or CIA.”\n\n>The author and Village Voice journalist Robert Friedman agrees:\n\n>At the onset of the Cold War, the ADL was running perhaps the largest private spy agency in America, regularly feeding the FBI information not only on anti-Semitic groups like the KKK and the American Nazi party, but also on Jewish leftists and members of the Communist Party... It supplied not only the FBI, but, according to the Congressional Record, the Commerce Department, which reviewed the files ofapplicants for government jobs, searching for “subversives.”... In the'50s and '60s, the ADL continued to penetrate and expose racist and fascist groups. It also championed the civil rights movement, speaking out for fair housing and against job discrimination. Yet as always, there was a darker side. The ADL spied on Martin Luther King and passed its files to J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, according to Henry Schwarz[s]child, who was an ADL officer from 1962 to 1964 and is now an official with the ACLU. “It was common and casually accepted knowledge,” Schwarz[s]child told the S.F. Weekly"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n>According to The Times, a memo accompanying the tape alleges King \"looked on and laughed\" as a pastor of Baltimore's Cornerstone Baptist Church raped a woman in the hotel room\n\n>The FBI documents say King had a conversation in which he \"discussed which women among the parishioners would be suitable for natural and unnatural sex acts,\" The Times wrote, citing Garrow's article\n\n>\"When one of the women protested that she did not approve, the Baptist minister immediately and forcibly raped her,\" The Times wrote, quoting the FBI documents\n\n>According to Garrow's article, which quotes the documents: \"At the same hotel the following evening, King and a dozen other individuals 'participated in a sex orgy.'\"\n\n>\"When one of the women shied away from engaging in an unnatural act, King and several of the men discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect. King told her that to perform such an act would 'help your soul,'\" The Times quoted the memo as saying\n\n>The memo says King said he launched the \"International Association for the Advancement of Pussy Eaters,\" according to Garrow\n\n>According to The Times, the memo says King called a friend to \"get your damned ass down here because I have a beautiful white broad here.\"\n\n>The FBI memo is said to have recorded the prostitute as saying that King and the two women had sex, and when King's friend showed up, King \"watched the action from a close-by position\" as they too had sex\n\n>The memo quotes the prostitute as saying she was \"getting scared as they were pretty drunk and using filthy language,\" The Times said\n\n>She told an FBI interviewer it was \"the worst orgy I've ever gone through,\" The Times wrote\n\n>King screamed things \"I'm fucking for Jesus!\" and \"I ain't no nigger tonight!\""}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nU mad, bro?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nNot half as mad as you newfaggot glowies treating 4chan as if it was your personal livejournal."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>unknown\nHe says after blogspamming ad nauseam.\n>hey I know what i'll do i'll go on an imageboard and copy-paste spam shit straight out of my blog\n>clearly this will aid discussion!\nFucking retard."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>25\n>>63\n>>64\nHe worked with them to a large extent, but they never trusted him. The ADL thought he was a \"loose cannon\". One of their former employees, Henry Schwarzschild said, \"He was a Baptist preacher and nobody could be quite sure what he would do next. The ADL was very anxious about having an unguided missile out there\". And James Earl Ray implicated them in his assassination, citing fears that he would take up the Palestinian cause. Ray's handler, \"Raul\" has also been link to Jacob \"Jack Ruby\" Rubenstein. The King's family attorney, William F. Pepper, wrote a book about this revealing that \"Raul\" was Portuguese. That makes perfect sense. Portugal was allied with Rhodesia and Aparthaid South Africa. ADL agents worked for them Intelligence and Israel gave nuclear weapons. James Earl Ray was in Portugal and wanted to escape to Rhodesia/South Africa.\n>>67\nSneed, Cope, Seethe and Dilate."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nhttps://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228\n>Ultimately, though, it doesn’t matter who initiated the contact between the South Africans and the ADL spy ring\n\n>For one thing, the Anti-Defamation League had already been spying on American anti-apartheid campaigners, independent of their collaborative work for South African intelligence. Bullock told FBI investigators that he’d been infiltrating and collecting information on the Bay Area anti-apartheid movement for the ADL when he was introduced to the South Africans. Israel and South Africa were partners. Enemies of apartheid were enemies of the Anti-Defamation League, an attitude summed up by ADL national director Nathan Perlmutter’s description of Nelson Mandela and his African National Congress as “totalitarian, anti-humane, anti-democratic, anti-Israel, and anti-American.”\n\n>As far as Bullock was concerned, since he was already spying on local anti-apartheid groups for the ADL, reselling that same material to South African intelligence was just gravy. The South African spooks paid Bullock $16,000 in cash, in hundred dollar bills stuffed into envelopes\n\n>Bullock never showed anything approaching remorse for collaborating with the white-supremacist regime, nor did he express concern over what the apartheid Gestapo might have done with the names and information they had\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/The-Unspoken-Alliance-Relationship-Apartheid/dp/B008SLSALY\nhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-21-mn-25487-story.html\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/10/19/jewish-groups-tactics-investigated/96daef6a-a325-4a8a-ba09-da211fc1ba8a/"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>Ray's handler, \"Raul\" has also been link to Jacob \"Jack Ruby\" Rubenstein\nIn the wake of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., journalist Louis Lomax was tracing James Earl Ray's movements and discovered that he'd met with a New Orleans industrialist at the International Trade Mar. The whole WTC complex of the 9/11 has its roots in the International Trade Mart of New Orleans, a CIA front that surfaced in the JFK and MLK assassinations:\n\n>(1) Oswald purchased his ticket to London - the first part of his trip to the Soviet Union - from an office in the Trade Mart\n>(2) Oswald handed out pro-Castro leaflets in front of the Trade Mart, and the Trade Mart's executives inexplicably called news cameras to document this tableaux - which later became the basis for describing Oswald as a \"communist\", rather than what he quite plainly was: a government agent, infiltrating subversive groups\n>(3) After Oswald returned to New Orleans, multiple witnesses described seeing him in the company of the Trade Mart's director, Clay Shaw - who denied ever meeting him. Several of these witnesses claimed to have overheard Shaw discussing plans for the assassination, with Oswald and other men\n\nShaw, who was also said to have known Jack Ruby, was said to perform sadomasochistic rituals at his home. Following his arrest, his lavish residence was searched and police found a long black robe and hood along with whips, chains, and hooks affixed to the ceiling of one room, with what appeared to be faint impressions of bloody handprints. Shaw's maid told them that there was an incident - apparently covered up - where someone had been killed in the house. Shaw's address book was, curiously, filled with members of the European aristocracy - including a Princess Anne Jacqueline de Riquet de Caraman-Chimay. The Chimay family was implicated in Belgium's pedophile ring (Dutroux Affair), accused of organizing sick child-hunts on their vast estates."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>After World War II, businessman Clay Shaw returned to New Orleans where he became a founder of the International Trade Mart (ITM). From 1947 to his retirement in 1965, Shaw ran the ITM as a managing director\n\n>The ITM was chartered in 1945, first opened in 1948, and in 1968, merged with International House to form the World Trade Center New Orleans (WTCNO), a private, non-profit organization with a membership of 2,000 corporations and individuals dedicated to improving international trade with New Orleans\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Trade_Mart\n\n>Clay LaVergne Shaw (March 17, 1913 – August 15, 1974) was an American businessman and military officer from New Orleans, Louisiana. Shaw is best known for being the only person brought to trial for involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shaw\n\n>The World Trade Center of New Orleans is the founding member of the World Trade Centers Association, a worldwide association of over 300 World Trade Centers in nearly 100 countries\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_New_Orleans\n\n>It's astounding how there is such a clear line connecting two of the most defining events of deep politics in the 20th and 21st centuries. Quietly acknowledged, but never emphasized - probably because of where the trail leads\n\n>The idea was suggested by David Rockefeller to help stimulate urban renewal in Lower Manhattan, and his brother Nelson signed the legislation to build it\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973%E2%80%932001)\n\n>Prof. Donald Gibson (\"The Kennedy Assassination Cover-up\", p. 172):\n\n>The principal speaker for the 1948 opening of Shaw's Trade Mart was William McChesney Martin. Martin later became Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board and then a supervisor of the Rockefeller family's trust fund"}, {"id": 72, "content": "What is it with christfags and wikispamming.\nYou realize 99% of people just skip over these kind of posts right? They're no different from mass reply spam."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>25\n>>26\n>>28\n>>29\n>>31\n>>34\nThe guy who said all this, Myron Fagan, worked in Hollywood for a Kennedy. It's not a random schizo saying nonsense things.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Coureval_Fagan\n>Myron Coureval Fagan (October 31, 1887 – May 12, 1972) was an American writer, producer and director for film and theatre and a red scare figure in the late 1940s and 1950s. Fagan was an ardent anti-communist and influential conspiracy theorist\n\n>He moved to Hollywood in 1930, where he served as a writer and director with Pathe Pictures, Inc., then owned by Joseph P. Kennedy, at 20th Century Fox, and other Hollywood film studios\n\n>In 1945, Fagan claimed he saw secret documents of the meetings in Yalta, shown to him by author John T. Flynn, that led him to write the plays Red Rainbow and Thieves Paradise. Written in 1945, Red Rainbow portrays Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin and others in Yalta plotting to deliver the Balkans, Eastern Europe and Berlin to Stalin. Left-wing groups in the New York opposed the production of the play, and Fagan had difficulties getting financial backing to produce it. Fagan took the play to Hollywood where he encountered more protests against it than he had in New York\n\n>In the late 1940s, Fagan launched a one-man crusade against what he claimed was a \"Red Conspiracy in Hollywood\". Out of this crusade came the Cinema Educational Guild\n\n>In 1953, Red Rainbow was produced by Bruce Fagan and staged for 16 performances at the Royal Theatre between September 14 and 26\n\n>Written two years later, Thieves Paradise portrays the same group plotting to create the United Nations as a Communist front for one world government"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>Between 1967 and 1968, Fagan recorded a set of three spoken-word LP records titled The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations. Produced by Anthony Hilder, the records presented the Bavarian Illuminati, the Protocols of Zion, and internationalist politics as faces of a single grand \"Luciferian\" conspiracy directed by the Rothschild family. In 1968, he recorded another three LP spoken voice recordings, also produced by Anthony Hilder, titled Red Stars Over Hollywood\n\nThat's where this text came from.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/A1kfLcJ8WII?t=3591 [Embed]"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>13\nSeething"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>uhm acshually we needed to point guns and knives at our own people to force them to live with blacks because of reasons\n101st Airborne more like 101st Fifth Column."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>NOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME RIOT AND SEND DEATH THREATS TO KIDS REEEEEEE"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>noooo you have to send the army to point their guns at kids who don't want to genuflect before black supremacy"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nF I F T H C O L U M N"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>61\nThe founder of the Nation of Islam was a man who was radicalized by an agent of the Japanese Black Dragon Society. He called himself Allah and went door to door selling pamphlets. After famously teaching his version of Islam for four years he disappeared, leaving everything to Elijah Muhammad, the most famous leader of Nation of Islam and a close friend of Satokata Takahashi.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satokata_Takahashi\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad\n\nSatokata Takahashi was fingered as the man behind the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World (PMEW), a \"1930s North American based pro-Japanese movement of African Americans which promoted the idea that Japan was the champion of all non-white peoples\".\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Movement_of_the_Eastern_World\n\nHis main goal was to convince black people that they would be liberated by the Japanese Empire, while also setting up a criminal organization to get rich (most black dragon society hubs were run like the mafia). They also claim they set up the Universal Negro Improvement Association and African Communities League, which was famously headed by Marcus Garvey.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Negro_Improvement_Association_and_African_Communities_League\n\nFard, the founder of Nation of Islam (the door to door salesman) was apparently in a group called the Moorish Science Temple of America and many early members were a splinter group from them, more than likely created at the behest of the Japanese. Their core belief was that as African Americans they were the direct descendants of Moors and actually not black at all. They were also black supremacists approached by the Japanese as early as the 20's. The Moorish Temple was particularly influencing due to them being set up during the initial Great Migration, swelling their numbers among the many poorly educated blacks.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>On August 15, 1959, the FBI sent a story to the Chicago New Crusader newspaper, stating that Fard was a \"Turkish-born Nazi agent who worked for Hitler in World War II.\" According to the story from the FBI, Fard was a \"Muslim from Turkey who had come to the United States in the early 1900s. He had met Muhammad in prison… where the two men plotted a confidence game in which followers were charged a fee to become Muslims.\" After the story was published, Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X subsequently charged Black media outlets, who reprinted the accusation in large numbers, with running the story without requesting a response from the Nation of Islam"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n>>81\nThe Nazis were inspired by the secret black magic that the Tibetan Buddhists know how to invoke. All the top Nazis and pro-Fascist intellectuals of the time were part of the Green Dragon Order, which was related to the Black Dragon Society too.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dragon_(order)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dragon_Society\n\nEuropeans first stumbled upon the black magic of the Bon religion when mountaineers climbing K2 and other summits in Kashmir brought the dark arts back with them on their travels.\n\nThe area with the greatest black magicians is called Baltistan. It is where characters like Raz Al-Ghul from Batman were inspired from:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra's_al_Ghul\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaRYQlsjy4 [Embed]\n\nThe Bon/Nazi/Baltistan connection is one of the most interesting rabbit holes I have ever gone down. A wierd mixture of Sufi Mysticism, Shia Assassin Schools, Shamanistic Asian Religion mixed with Buddhism and a fuck of other things, Europeans like Aleister Crowley and Julius Evola bringing back the things they learned from their mountaineering adventures in the East.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UR_Group\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Fascist_Mysticism"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n>The Bon/Nazi/Baltistan connection is one of the most interesting rabbit holes I have ever gone down. A wierd mixture of Sufi Mysticism, Shia Assassin Schools, Shamanistic Asian Religion mixed with Buddhism and a fuck of other things, Europeans like Aleister Crowley and Julius Evola bringing back the things they learned from their mountaineering adventures in the East\nThe CIA continued the research of these things.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20160221060615/http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/occult-secrets-dalai-lama\n>Shambhala\n\n>As reported by Tim Cummings in The Guardian, the man credited with “almost single-handedly bringing Tibetan Buddhism to the West,” was the Dalai Lama's emissary, Gerald Yorke, a personal friend and secretary to Aleister Crowley, the godfather of twentieth century Satanism. Yorke also wrote an original foreword to a secret book on the Kalachakra initiation, and Aleister Crowley, the Golden Dawn, and Buddhism. Yorke also served as consultant to Lucifer Rising, by experimental film-maker Kenneth Anger, based on the concept from Crowley’s Book of the Law. Anger, who was at the center of the bizarre nexus of Rock ‘n Roll and Occultism in Laurel Canyon during the 60s, was also closely associated with Anton LaVey, head of the Church of Satan and members of the Manson Family\n\n>Also, in October 1998, the Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960s from the US government through the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>2\n>Not only that, she worked for the NAACP for years and the incident on the bus was completely fabricated. An incident identical to it did happen, but the woman in question was a teenage mom with a record and no father in the picture. The NAACP thought it was a good story but bad optics, so they had their then secretary Rosa Parks act out the same scenario because she was light skinned and had a respectable career. It was manufactured to tug at the heartstrings of white Americans, that's just a fact.\nDid you not learn this in school? Why are you acting as if this is some hidden conspiracy. Learned all this shit in High-school (24)"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\n>cites claims made up by a journo's alt history fiction\nAlright now I know you're just shitting up the thread to deflect from real history."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nThe Morning of the Magicians was written by two guys who work in French Intelligence. It is fiction parodying real facts such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>parodying real facts such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.\nIf all Jewish Elders do in their International Cabal meetings is rant about the French Revolution, cackle about interest while quoting \"Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu\", and extremely vague plans that would take decades, if not centuries to implement, I don't know how they get anything done."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>It is fiction parodying real facts\nBTW: Jim Garrison, best known for his investigations into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and prosecution of New Orleans businessman Clay Shaw, investigated Kerry Wendell Thornley (who was a friend of Lee Harvey Oswald), the co-creator of Discordianism, which inspired Steve Jackson Games, the company that created the card game Illuminati: New World Order.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Wendell_Thornley\n>Kerry Wendell Thornley (April 17, 1938 – November 28, 1998) was an American author. He is known as the co-founder (along with childhood friend Greg Hill) of Discordianism, in which context he is usually known as Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst or simply Lord Omar. He and Hill authored the religion's text Principia Discordia, Or, How I Found Goddess, And What I Did To Her When I Found Her. Thornley was also known for his 1962 manuscript, The Idle Warriors, which was based on the activities of his acquaintance, Lee Harvey Oswald, prior to the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy\n\n>Thornley was highly active in the countercultural publishing scene, writing for a number of underground magazines and newspapers, and self-publishing many one-page (or broadsheet) newsletters of his own. One such newsletter called Zenarchy was published in the 1960s under the pen name Ho Chi Zen. Zenarchy is described in the introduction of the collected volume as \"the social order which springs from meditation\", and \"A noncombative, nonparticipatory, no-politics approach to anarchy intended to get the serious student thinking.\"\n\n>Raised Mormon, in adulthood Kerry shifted his ideological focus frequently, in rivalry with any serious countercultural figure of the 1960s. Among the subjects he closely scrutinized throughout his life were atheism, anarchism, Objectivism, autarchism (he attended Robert LeFevre's Freedom School), neo-paganism, Kerista, Buddhism, and the memetic inheritor of Discordianism, the Church of the SubGenius"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>In February 1962, Thornley completed The Idle Warriors, which has the historical distinction of being the only book written about Lee Harvey Oswald before Kennedy's assassination in 1963. Due to the serendipitous nature of Thornley's choice of literary subject matter, he was called to testify before the Warren Commission in Washington, D.C. on May 18, 1964. The Commission subpoenaed a copy of the manuscript and stored it in the National Archives, and the book remained unpublished until 1991. In 1965, Thornley published another book titled Oswald, generally defending the \"Oswald-as-lone-assassin\" conclusion of the Warren Commission\n\n>In January 1968, New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison, certain there had been a New Orleans-based conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy, subpoenaed Thornley to appear before a grand jury, questioning him about his relationship with Oswald and his knowledge of other figures Garrison believed to be connected to the assassination. Thornley sought a cancellation of this subpoena on which he had to appear before the Circuit Court. Garrison charged Thornley with perjury after Thornley denied that he had been in contact with Oswald in any manner since 1959. The perjury charge was eventually dropped by Garrison's successor Harry Connick Sr"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>Thornley claimed that, during his initial two-year sojourn in New Orleans, he had numerous meetings with two mysterious middle-aged men named \"Gary Kirstein\" and \"Slim Brooks\". According to his account, they had detailed discussions on numerous subjects ranging from the mundane to the exotic, and bordering sometimes on bizarre. Among these was the subject of how one might assassinate President Kennedy, whose beliefs and policies the aspiring novelist deeply disliked at the time. Later, the former Marine came to believe that \"Gary Kirstein\" had in reality been senior CIA officer and future Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt, and \"Slim Brooks\" to have been Jerry Milton Brooks, a member of the 1960s right-wing activist group \"The Minutemen\". Guy Banister, another Minutemen member in New Orleans, had been accused by Garrison of involvement in the assassination and was allegedly connected to Lee Harvey Oswald through the Fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflet\n\n>Thornley also claimed that \"Kirstein\" and Brooks had accurately predicted Richard M. Nixon's accession to the presidency six years before it happened, as well as anticipating the rise of the 1960s counterculture and the subsequent emergence of Charles Manson and what became his cult following. This led Thornley to believe that the US government had somehow been involved, directly or indirectly, in creating and/or supporting these events, personages and phenomena\n\n>After Clay Shaw was acquitted, Thornley said he wanted Garrison to bring him to trial in order to clear his name"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games\n>Steve Jackson Games (SJGames) is a game company, founded in 1980 by Steve Jackson, that creates and publishes role-playing, board, and card games, and (until 2019) the gaming magazine Pyramid\n\n>Founded in 1980, six years after the creation of Dungeons & Dragons, SJ Games created several role-playing and strategy games with science fiction themes. SJ Games' early titles were microgames initially sold in 4×7 inch ziploc bags, and later in the similarly sized Pocket Box. Games such as Ogre, Car Wars, and G.E.V (an Ogre spin-off) were popular during SJ Games' early years. Game designers such as Loren Wiseman and Jonathan Leistiko have worked for Steve Jackson Games\n\n>Today SJ Games publishes a variety of games, such as card games, board games, strategy games, and in different genres, such as fantasy, sci-fi, and gothic horror. They also published the book Principia Discordia, the sacred text of the Discordian religion\n\n>On March 1, 1990, the Secret Service raided the offices of Steve Jackson Games, seizing three computers, two laser printers, dozens of floppy disks, and the master copy of GURPS Cyberpunk; a genre toolkit for cyberpunk games, written by Loyd Blankenship, the hacker and an employee at the time. The Secret Service believed that Blankenship had illegally accessed Bell South systems, and uploaded a document possibly affecting 9-1-1 systems onto Steve Jackson Games's public bulletin board system; and, furthermore, that GURPS Cyberpunk would help others commit computer crimes. During their investigation, the Secret Service also read (and deleted) private emails on one of the computers. Though the materials were later returned in June, Steve Jackson Games filed suit in federal court, winning at trial"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati:_New_World_Order\n>Illuminati: New World Order (INWO) is an out-of-print collectible card game (CCG) that was released in 1994 by Steve Jackson Games, based on their original boxed game Illuminati, which in turn was inspired by the 1975 book The Illuminatus! Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea. An OMNI sealed-deck league patterned after the Atlas Games model was also developed\n\n>Robert Anton Wilson (born Robert Edward Wilson; January 18, 1932 – January 11, 2007) was an American author, futurist, and self-described agnostic mystic. Recognized within Discordianism as an Episkopos, pope and saint, Wilson helped publicize Discordianism, a parody religion created by Greg Hill amd Kerry Wendell Thornley, through his writings and interviews\n\n>Players attempt to achieve World Domination by utilizing the powers of their chosen Illuminati (the Adepts of Hermes, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Bermuda Triangle, the Discordian Society, the Gnomes of Zürich, The Network, Servants of Cthulhu, Shangri-La,the UFOs, The Society of Assassins (added in the Assassins expansion) and the Church of the Subgenius (added in the Subgenius expansion). The first player to control a predetermined number of Organizations (usually twelve in a standard game) has achieved the Basic Goal and can claim victory\n\n>Controllable Organizations include: groups such as the Men in Black, the CIA, and the Boy Sprouts; Personalities such as Diana, Princess of Wales, Saddam Hussein, Ross Perot or Björne (the purple dinosaur); and Places like Japan, California, Canada, and the Moonbase. Many Organization names are spoofs of real organizations, presumably altered to avoid lawsuits\n\n>Other ways to achieve victory include: destroying your rival Illuminati by capturing or destroying the last Organization in their Power Structure; and/or fulfilling a Special Goal before your opponent(s) can"}, {"id": 93, "content": "cool\nstop spamming"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\n>>89\n>>90\n>>91\n>>92\nLee Harvey Oswald served in the Marines together with Kerry Thornley, the co-founder of Discordianism and co-author of Principia Discordia. Thornley was the only person who wrote a book (The Idle Warriors), about Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE the assassination. He was investigated by the Warren Commission and later indicted by Jim Garrison's New Orleans investigation into the conspiracy to assassinate JFK.\n\nWhen Oswald returned to New Orleans in the summer of 1963, eyewitnesses repeatedly saw him in Thornley's company yet Thornley maintained they had no contact after the military. Thornley later claimed he was the subject of mind control experiments, that his birth was part of a covert Eugenics program, and that mysterious people had drawn him into discussions about killing Kennedy during his time in New Orleans. He never would admit to any active role himself, but a number of investigators came to conclude he was a longtime covert operator (although this is disputed).\n\nAlso, Thornley was known to despise Kennedy. Secret Service even interviewed him about his whereabouts at the time of the assassination. He bore a resemblance to Oswald, to the point where the New Orleans District Attorney's Office theorized he might have been the hypothetical \"double\" who could account for Oswald frequently being seen in two different places at once. Several witnesses even identified Thornley's photo as \"Oswald\". Thornley testified at the Warren Commission everything Oswald was accused in the Mainstream: That he was mentally unbalanced, communist, etc."}, {"id": 95, "content": "Copy-paste wikispam should lead to an instant ban. Particularly when it's clear the posters have no actual intent to discuss anything."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nSeconded."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>8\n>>11\nIt wasn't because segregation was morally \"weak\" and this translated into material weakness, this is r*ddit tier wishful thinking. Neither did the federal government brutalize the south through some conspiracy.\n\nThe schools were federal property, like Fort Sumter. The south lapped up new deal era progressivism and transferred many duties to federal government in return for federal funding, then WW2 veterans who had fought for freedom and democracy decided black people who also fought alongside them should be able to vote, what was a minor issue for northerners was a #1 swing vote issue for black people in the south and began to influence federal government. When the feds ruled in favor of integration the south had to comply.\n\nThe south did not learn from their mistake and resist the feds. However if they went this path, southerners would have to foot the bill, and they were significantly poorer in the south. A carpenter in New Orleans was being paid $1.51 an hour compared to $1.94 in Chicago in 1951, for example. With the great depression they didn't say \"no\" to northern tax dollars and increased federal influence over their lives.\n\nhttps://fraser.stlouisfed.org/title/wages-related-benefits-40-labor-markets-1951-1952-4444\n\nAfter integration there were attempts to form private schools, however into the 60s most white southerners were more interested in America's newfound prosperity in the postwar boom, someone born on a tobacco farm could fly to Hawaii and watch an in-flight movie, and most white people remained in majority white areas and majority white schools, it was not as though they were reduced to being like inner city schools overnight. Commitment to segregation waned."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>87\nMyron Fagan says the following about this:\n\nhttps://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=fagan&book=illuminati&readAll=true\n>The opposing sides were then to be armed and incidents provided which would cause them to fight and weaken themselves and gradually destroy national governments and religious institutions. Again I say, the very conditions in the world today. And at this point let me stress a prime feature of the Illuminati plans. When and if their blueprint for world control, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, is discovered and exposed, they would wipe all the Jews off the face of the earth in order to divert suspicions from themselves. If you think this is far-fetched, bear in mind that they permitted Hitler, a liberal socialist himself, who was financed by corrupt Kennedy, the Warburgs, and the Rothschilds, to incinerate 600,000 Jews\n\nProtocols weren't \"100% factual and authentic\", they were a obvious false flag and limited hangout, much like the Taxil Hoax for Freemasons performed around the same time. The Protocols were written by a Jew (Joseph Schorst alias of Theodore Schapiro) who claimed he stole them from a Memphis Misraim Freemason Lodge in Paris when he sold them as Intelligence to a Russian general's daughter in the 1880s.\n\nhttps://www.reteccp.org/biblioteca/disponibili/guerraepace/potere/sion/Protocols-Revelation.pdf"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>WW2 veterans who had fought for freedom and democracy decided black people who also fought alongside them should be able to vote\nBlacks were segregated in the military and largely excluded from frontline roles. It wasn't until Korea that you had white and black soldiers fighting together."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>52\nOnly in 1950s America, after immigrants had assimilated but before immigration resumed on a large scale. Unless you were in Florida or maybe NYC, 99% of the blacks you'd see were African Americans. Nowadays there's a chance they're Haitian, Dominican, African, etc."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\n>According to Fry's account, Justine Glinka (1836–1916), the daughter of Russian diplomat Dmitry Glinka (1808–1883), was endeavouring (in the early to mid-1880s) to serve her country (Russia) by obtaining political information in Paris, which she forwarded to General Orgevskii. In 1884 a Jewish Freemason named Joseph Schorst (alias of Théodore Joseph Schapiro) sold Justine a manuscript copy of the Protocols (written in French) for 2,500 francs. Fry believed that Schorst had smuggled this copy of the Protocols out of the archives of one of the Mizraïm Masonic Lodges in Paris. According to records in the archives of the Sûreté (French Secret Police), Schorst eventually fled to Egypt, where he was murdered. This manuscript of the Protocols then supposedly found its way (through a very convoluted and questionable route) into the hands of Sergei Nilus, who was the first person to publish it in its entirety (in 1905) under a single cover"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\n>In 1771, the Danish occultist Franz Kolmer, who had been to Egypt, initiated Adam Weishaupt into the magical secrets of the Egyptian god Osiris, the Kabbalah, and the Alumbrado movement. This man's vast occult knowledge enlightened Adam, who chose a pyramid with an open eye inside as a symbol of the secret organization he would later create\n\n>In 1785 an Italian adventurer, Count Alessandro Cagliostro appeared in Paris. The count earned a reputation as an esoteric Freemason and wonderworker who was expelled from England and Russia for fraud. Cagliostro visited Germany in 1777, right after the founding of the Illuminati\n\n>Cagliostro met Weishaupt, and like Weishaupt was initiated into something called the Strict Observance Masonic Rite. At his later trial in Rome, Cagliostro claimed to be an Illuminati and a Knight Templar. In Paris, Cagliostro created a new Masonic rite, the Egyptian, which he touted to be ‘true’ Freemasonry. It later became the Rite of Memphis-Misraim which attracted radical and non-conformists across Europe. Cagliostro and his Egyptian rite became all the rage and even admitted women. He also became friends with the Duke of Orleans and other prominent Freemasons"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_Sebottendorf\n>Adam Alfred Rudolf Glauer (9 November 1875 – 8 May 1945), also known as Rudolf Freiherr von Sebottendorff (or von Sebottendorf) was a German occultist, writer, intelligence agent and political activist. He was the founder of the Thule Society, a post-World War I German occultist organization where he played a key role, and that influenced many members of the Nazi Party. He was a Freemason, a Sufi of the Bektashi order - after his conversion to Islam - and a practitioner of meditation, astrology, numerology, and alchemy. He also used the alias Erwin Torre\n\n>Glauer was introduced to occultism and esoteric concerns when he was living in Bursa, Turkey. His wealthy host, Hussein Pasha, was a Sufi and interested in such matters; it was around this time that Glauer saw the Mevlevi Order and visited the Great Pyramid of Giza in July 1900. At Bursa, Glauer became acquainted with the Termudi family, who were Jews from Thessaloniki. The Termudi family were involved in banking and the silk trade. They were also Freemasons, belonging to a lodge affiliated to the Rite of Memphis-Misraim. This network of lodges was closely connected to the Committee of Union and Progress (which later joined the Young Turks). The patriarch of the Termudi family initiated Glauer into the lodge and when Termudi died, he bequeathed his library of occult, Kabbalistic, Rosicrucian and Sufi texts to Glauer"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n>The Termudis were Jewish Freemasons in a lodge that may have been affiliated to the French Rite of Memphis, which had spread in the Levant and the Middle East. Glauer was initiated into the lodge by old Termudi and subsequently inherited his occult library. In one of these books Glauer discovered a note from Hussein Pasha, describing the secret mystical exercises of traditional Islamic alchemists, still practised by the Baktashi sect of dervishes. One of the books that Glauer inherited from Termudi featured a note from Hussein Pasha, which piqued his interest in the Sufi Bektashi Order, in regards to their alchemical and numerological practices. Speculations say he might have converted to Islam with Sufi-orientation, although the evidence (from his own semi-autobiographical writings) is rather tenuous on this point. In his autobiographical novel Der Talisman des Rosenkreuzers (The Rosicrucian Talisman), Sebottendorff distinguishes between Sufi-influenced Turkish Masonry and conventional Masonry\n\n>The Bektashis are a branch of Shi’a Islam that has, according to its world leader, Baba Mondi (Edmond Brahimaj), 150 million believers. “They were reputed to be Muslims in outward appearance only, and to practice among themselves libertinism and the ‘freedom’ of the children of the spirit,” wrote Gershom Scholem, the great scholar of Sabbateanism. Scholem maintained that Sabbatai Zevi was deeply influenced by the Bektashi community; after all, the Sufi sect practices their mystical rites in secret, as do Sabbateans, but act in everyday life as regular Muslims. Indeed, in a letter Sabbatai Zevi wrote from Albania in marvelous Hebrew in 1673, seven years after converting to Islam himself, he instructed his believers: “Chop off utterly the branches of that faith till nothing remains buried in your hearts but the root alone… Bury this my very great faith.”"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\n>By 1916, Glauer had attracted only one follower. In that year, however, he came into contact with the Germanenorden, and was subsequently appointed the Ordensmeister (local group leader) for the Bavaria division of the schismatic Germanenorden Walvater of the Holy Grail. Settling in Munich, he established the Thule Society, which became increasingly political. On 5 January 1919 Anton Drexler, who had developed links between the Thule Society and various extreme right workers' organizations in Munich, together with the Thule Society's Karl Harrer, established the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP), or German Workers' Party. This party was joined in September 1919 by Adolf Hitler, who transformed it into the National Socialist German Workers' Party or Nazi Party. Glauer was also the owner of the Völkischer Beobachter, which the Nazi Party purchased in December 1920 on the initiative of Chase Bauduin and Dietrich Eckart, who became the first editors. In 1921, Hitler acquired all shares in the company, making him the sole owner of the publication. The paper was to become Hitler’s most important propaganda tool\n\n>By then, however, Glauer had left the Thule Society and Bavaria, having been accused of negligence in allegedly allowing the names of several key Thule Society members to fall into the hands of the government of the short-lived Bavarian Soviet Republic, resulting in the execution of seven members after the attack on the Munich government in April 1919, an accusation that he never denied. Sebottendorf fled Germany for Switzerland and then Turkey"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>99\nIt's a figure of speech. British troops fought \"alongside\" US troops even though they were rarely literally alongside each other in the same foxhole."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>101\n>>102\n>>103\n>>104\n>>105\nno one cares, schizo"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nRent Free."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nif I were a jew I could live in your head rent free, but I'm not, so I'll just point out you're a retarded schizo spamming walls of text irrelevant to the thread no one will ever read"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>3\n>upper middle class white college kids\n\"white\""}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\n(((white)))"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>18\nYes that's also true"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>3\n>(((white)))"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>62\nYeah this place has zero moderation. Tiresome"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>35\nBecause its not about \"access to white people\" but about infrastructure and services. If the government decides to fuck you over because your skin is darker so you can't go where everyone else can, would you just nod and agree?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nIn hindsight we know access to infrastructure and services didn't lead to black flourishing, so it doesn't really matter"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did he do it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHe won the support of most of the chinese population by providing a government that offered stability and redistributed the land promoting better living standards, also lead populist lynch mobs against landlords that everyone hated, making the peasants feel like they had freedom for the first time in centuries.\n\nIt's quite funny how contemporary maoist groups today act the exact opposite and actively terrorize the population"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\nIn the first 10 years of the CPC capturing china, they liberated all of the serfs, 98% of the population from slavery under the Buddhist arisotcracy, they redistributed all of the land from the landlords and basically got rid of them as a class promoting a rise in living standards, they ended barbaric traditions that the communists were repulsed by like forced marriages where young women were shipped off to random people without their consent, they got rid of people that produced drugs that were keeping cities like Shanghai in opioid addiction and poverty, they centralized China providing stability, law, and growth across the entire country, they invested in the industry of the military and made the chinese able to fight back in military struggles, they nationalized a lot of the basic services and resources for the welfare of the population.\n\n75 years later, East China has living standards comparable to Western Europe; the central/third world areas of China have access to industry, jobs, electricity, advancing healthcare, telephone, internet, and transportation; China has constructed loads of planned cities for the growth of their population; China is the pioneer of technologies like advanced and environmentally friendly thorium reactors"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecome fate?\nHe became the new emperor and ate a shit ton of food while 10s of millions of his subjects starved to death"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish Chiang and Mao could've been friends tbqhwy famalam fr"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nNihao, Lao, getting better at English I see. Strong Leader, Great China!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>China has constructed loads of planned cities for the growth of their population;\n90% of those new cities are literally ghost towns and will stay that way"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>Buddhist arisotcracy\nI thought China was Confucius not Buddhist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nShanghai is the richest place in 'east china' and that has a high gdp thanks for Deng Xiaoping reverting to market capitalism rather than backwards maoism lol\n\n>75 years later, East China has living standards comparable to Western Europe\n\nno. Jiangsu has a gdp per capita of 21k USD and that's the highest in east China. other east chines provinces range from 9-12k. UK, france, germany are all 40-55k gdp per capita. that is not comparable.\n\n>; the central/third world areas of China have access to industry, jobs, electricity, advancing healthcare, telephone, internet, and transportation;\n\nyouth unemployment in china is very high, healthcare is backwards compared to most of the developed world (most people have to head to provincial capitals for basic surgeries)....\n\nthis whole post you wrote is just bollocks and I'm surprised people on /his/ don't call out this nonsense faster"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>He won the support of most of the chinese population by providing a government that offered stability\n\nah yes the stability of the great leap forward (failure) 5 pests campaign (failure) and the cultural revolution (almost led china to civil war). CCP won because Japan fucked up the nationalists who were growing the chinese economy by leaps and bounds. The Soviets leaving north china to the communists also was a boon for them.\n\nBy the time of the Japanese attack, the nationalists had driven the communists to a small mountain retreat and would have wiped them out in a subsequent military campaign if not for the japs."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI called them out on a different thread and they started seething.\n\nMost of China has the HDI of MENA and a few areas are Africa-tier. >>unknown →"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Japan fucked up the nationalists\n\nThe nationalist were fucked up in the first place, they ruled by warlords and fighting against each other"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThe Nationalists were rapidly growing the economy and consolidating the country until Japan attacked.\n\nChina didn't return to this level of growth until Deng Xiaoping embraced market capitalism in the 80s."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>ah yes the stability of the great leap forward (failure) 5 pests campaign (failure) and the cultural revolution (almost led china to civil war). CCP won because Japan fucked up the nationalists who were growing the chinese economy by leaps and bounds. The Soviets leaving north china to the communists also was a boon for them\nYea because from the Warlord Era to the end of WW2, China was a bastion of stability"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Ah yes you see the CCP was a grand sucess because it, despite massive amounts of aid from the USSR and global peace, was equably as shit as a period of global chaos\n\nwhoah... so this is the power... of maoism\n\ntake note almost every country on earth had an economically prosperous late 1950s/1960s except for one rather large stupid asian country"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>casually ignores Warlord Era-pre 1949 China\nSmoothbrain detected."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nnope here it is\n>>13\nmassive economic growth, until japan attacked. unlike the PRC until capitalism/western investment came back"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>massive economic growth, until japan attacked\nIf that economic growth was so impressive surely they could've raised an army to prevent Japan from taking Manchuria in 3 minutes\nYou know like how the dirt poor communists prevented America from even taking north korea"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>If that economic growth was so impressive surely they could've raised an army to prevent Japan from taking Manchuria in 3 minutes\n\nThey could have done if they had adopted free market capitalism in the late 19th centuries, rather than messing around with the Qing imperial system. The Republic grew from a low base - but my how it grew. the PRC didn't grow from anything other than population (due to poor countries having higher birthrates) until deng xiaoping dropped backwards marxist economics in the 80s and adopted free market capitalism. shock horror western investment and free market forces grew the economy immediately.\n\n>You know like how the dirt poor communists prevented America from even taking north korea\n\nChina was very poor - they were able to sustain the korean war by sending in vast amounts of KMT-defected troops into the meat grinder. Even then they couldn't defeat the US who barely even cared about the war looking at % on defence GDP spending and other figures at the time. If the US was really dedicated Beijing would have had a mushroom cloud over it. Unless of course, you're just an idiot and didn't know that."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>shock horror western investment and free market forces grew the economy immediately.\nOh you mean like how it worked for Russia and Ukraine\n>If the US was really dedicated Beijing would have had a mushroom cloud over it.\nWhich would have accomplished nothing, since China was an agrarian country and Beijing held nothing of value at the time other than cultural artifacts"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>they were able to sustain the korean war by sending in vast amounts of KMT-defected troops into the meat grinder.\nFunny how the ROC couldn't do that to defend their own border\nSomething Afghan peasants could do in the 19th century against the world's most powerful empire"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Oh you mean like how it worked for Russia and Ukraine\n\n? Russia did not adopt free market capitalism and democracy. It went back to autocracy. Guess you are just ignoring the rest of eastern europe such as east germany and the baltics who have all prospered.\n\n>Which would have accomplished nothing, since China was an agrarian country and Beijing held nothing of value at the time other than cultural artifacts\nno just the whole central government and leadership, thus ending the war immediately"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>no just the whole central government and leadership, thus ending the war immediately\nYou truly are a moron"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Funny how the ROC couldn't do that to defend their own border\nAs Chiang said, Japan was a disease of the skin, the communists are a disease of the heart. Japan had to attack the ROC when they did because the economic growth of the nanjing decade couldn't be allowed to continue by japan because of how fast china was developing.\n\n>>13\n\nFree market capitalism always triumphs over socialism in all its forms. ROC didn't have enough time to develop. but in the time it did have (doing it all alone) it did great. the CCP had the whole eastern bloc and USSR on its side during the korean war, not to mention north korea itself. still a stalemate followed by 30 years of nonsense like the great leap forward"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>Russia did not adopt free market capitalism and democracy. It went back to autocracy.\nWhat's shock therapy? Who were the Harvard boys? Who was Yegor Gaidar? Who was Anatomy Chubais?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>Japan had to attack the ROC when they did because the economic growth of the nanjing decade couldn't be allowed to continue by japan because of how fast china was developing.\nAh the old tsarist Russia was developing too fast so the Germans attacked it cope"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>As Chiang said, Japan was a disease of the skin, the communists are a disease of the heart.\nThe communists though the same about their dissidents but they could still defend the border\nIf you don't defend your border you don't deserve to keep your country. Simple as"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\nYes"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>10\n>CCP won because Japan fucked up the nationalists\nThe nationalists were actually in a better position after the japanese were done"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThis myth again"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIt's true, at the start of the 2nd round of the war KMT had essentially fully subdued the warlords and built up their army using tons of American gibs and equipment from a surrendering Japan"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>9\n>Comparing entire countries to areas\nHoly shit this is cope. By the same metric I can find areas outside the rich core (London/Paris/Berlin/Rhineland) are vastly below that figure. North England is a shithole that's about 25k USD despite x3 cost of living compared to the poorer Chink regions.\n\n>youth unemployment in china is very high, healthcare is backwards compared to most of the developed world (most people have to head to provincial capitals for basic surgeries)\nTell me you're a boomer without telling me you're a boomer. Most Western countries have high as fuck youth unemployment and the West is just as guilty of suppressing figures as the CCP.\n\n>Verification not required."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nNo, they weren't, because the Americans switched to supporting the communists instead of the nationalists during the war, that alone puts them in a worse position than before the war."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>3\n>a rise in living standards, stability, law, growth\nwould that include whatever happened in 1959-1961?\nWhat about the cultural revolution and antirightist purges? those sound stable to you?\nThis is what make you tankies hilarious, especially in the case of china. Actual redlining communists like Mao destroyed the country, with the only silver lining of industrialization after millions of deaths either through starvation or political repression. but the actual person responsible for chinese prosperity is Deng who applied free market capitalist principles.\ntoday, china is simply communist in name and nomenclature, but in their policies they are just straight out fascist by definition: it has a massive authoritarian govt and law mandated collusion between corporations and state.\n\nAnd the most hilarious fucking thing of all of this is: china just proved to the world that within its borders under similar conditions, fascist corporatism produces a better quality of life for everyday citizens than pure collectivist communism where private property is abolished."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>19\n>until deng xiaoping dropped backwards marxist economics in the 80s and adopted free market capitalism.\nEhh it's a mix. This is interesting, guy wrote a book about Deng, basically he says what they do isn't exactly what we call capitalism:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/S5UFefeON_4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>it has a massive authoritarian govt and law mandated collusion between corporations and state.\nIt's a party dictatorship and the party calls the shots. They don't have private land ownership. The banking system is state owned. Those two things alone go beyond any historical fascist state I'm aware of. They do have a lot of private wealth management though, new financial instruments and peer-to-peer lending platforms, one of the consequences of explosive economic growth, but there's an ongoing campaign by the party in the past few years to bring that stuff under state (and party) regulation. Another one of Xi's things has been to reemphasize Marxist ideology, plowing a lot of resources into bolstering Marxist schools at the universities, and having the promote \"red culture\" as an example:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/MQ10_LIA58o?t=808 [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did they resist for so long despite the odds?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "the spirit of the southern man is superior to yankee goy-cattle"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause north was holding back a lot. Lincoln pussy footed all around to avoid any losses.\n>>2\nJust like how they got bent like obedient btiches when the war actually reached their homes? Lol"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBetter leadership over better troops and foreign aid.\n\n>>3\nCope revisionism, the Union had to turn its army into mass cannon fodder to overcome the South's fighting ability. It certainly worked, but lets not pretend that it had anything to do with martial competence. The Union won in spite of its military leadership, not because of it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Cope revisionism, the Union had to turn its army into mass cannon fodder to overcome the South's fighting ability.\nAre you fucking kidding me? North never had \"mass cannon fodder\" armies. That was what they all wanted to avoid to begin with. They very just not pushing the finger hard enough,not like they needed a fist.\n>It certainly worked, but lets not pretend that it had anything to do with martial competence.\nNever said they were especially competent but making it seem like CSA was fighting like David vs Goliath from the beginning is a joke of a premise. The war lasted so long because Union hesitated to use it's might but it became more ruthless when it was insured the Lincoln will not lose power. Then they laid a trail of destruction down the south which made CSA surrender because its easier to lynch and bully malnourished slaves than fighting actual wars."}, {"id": 6, "content": "The more interesting question is why no other European Great Power intervened on their behalf. If the flimsy excuse of \"keeping the trade routes open\" is valid against the Axis in WW1 and WW2, then we could have used the same excuse to stop the Yankee Blockade.\nThe North probably would not have been able to subdue the South without blockading them from the global market. The South would have been able to continue a mixed approach forever, partly guerrilla fights and partly convention army."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNobody wanted to. And alternatives for \"King Cotton\" were also available."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nNortherners are goyim (gentiles), southerners are Jews"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>The South would have been able to continue a mixed approach forever, partly guerrilla fights and partly convention army.\n>Niggas who quit the moment fire reached their homes would have continued a guerrilla campaign even though a big a chunk of their population being slaves\n>Continuing a futile war and holding out wouldn't have given Yankees tons of reasons to become even harsher later on instead of the surrender that was offered\nSouthrons have becoming so inbred during all those years that they cant even figure out why their forefathers backed down."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>Nobody wanted to.\nI did. I advocated for it in parliament, but nobody listened to me. I prophesied America would become a huge problem for Europe some day. Because the Incentive would always be there for a Power to build up America as a secure, unassailable Fortress from across the sea, if European Powers ever fought against each other. This is exactly what happened in the first World War. The Anglo Scum build up the military industrial Complex in the USA. Countless factories. All financed with Anglo Capital, which would be repaid with the armaments these factories would produce. So basically for free.\n\n>>9\nAre you retarded or something? I said things would be different, if they weren't blockaded. Why do you just reiterate things to me, which happened the way they did, because they were blockaded?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Are you retarded or something?\nThat would be your inbred ass. Literally said that muh gorrila campaign couldn't have been sustained just by mere sea connections to European countries."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe union was constantly sabotaged by slavers from the inside"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they were in the right.\n>inb4 muh fort sumter\nnorth started it\n>inb4 muh civil rights\nbitch please, nigs were still seen as second class citizens at least until 1960's"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nCorrect. The South is an insanely huge area with a large population. You can't just simply occupy it. Look at how the North did it. They had to starve them out economically. With a blockade and then they parcelled each state out and basically sieged them. They would not have been able to do the same, if another European Power intervened to keep the sea lanes open. That would have made the strategy of the North like it happened in history unworkable. The South would be too large. They wouldn't have been able to occupy the entire coastline of the South. They wouldn't be able to defend the coast against Southern Incursions."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Correct. The South is an insanely huge area with a large population.\nYou just have to occupy the worthwhile parts and don't forget the slaves that would collaborate with occupiers.\n>simply occupy it. Look at how the North did it. They had to starve them out economically. With a blockade and then they parcelled each state out and basically sieged them.\nImagine believing that. They just weren't ready for total war. They had to surrender. They didn't have it in them to continue the fight after brutal destruction North was willing to inflict like Sherman's march.\n>They would not have been able to do the same, if another European Power intervened to keep the sea lanes open. That would have made the strategy of the North like it happened in history unworkable. The South would be too large. They wouldn't have been able to occupy the entire coastline of the South.\nExcept you don't need to occupy entire coastline to cut off supplies. You just need contain ports. You don't know how logistics work.\n>They wouldn't be able to defend the coast against Southern Incursions.\nYeah I am sure about it lol"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n>Lincoln pussy footed all around\n*McClellan\nLincoln kept pushing him to do something for once"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>I did.\nBased schizo"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nUnironically the UK would've had its ass kicked if it tried going after full-steam Union. Can you imagine the motivation of a population powered by \"The British are coming\"?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\n>The South would have been able to continue a mixed approach forever, partly guerrilla fights and partly convention army.\nThe blockade helped, but it wasn't decisive. The Confederacy was outnumbered in every single helpful metric except cotton production."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>You just have to occupy the worthwhile parts and don't forget the slaves that would collaborate with occupiers.\nThe docile negro slaves would not be of great value to the North as collaborators. It might be more valuable to just continue to use them as slave labor. lol\n\n>Except you don't need to occupy entire coastline to cut off supplies. You just need contain ports. You don't know how logistics work.\nI know how it works. You think the North capturing isolated ports deep into Southern Territory with no way to retreat is a good idea? A single lost battle and the entire army gets captured. In addition to that the South can use its navy to blockade the port in return.\nThat's an extremely risky strategy, if the US can't use their navy to its full extent.\n\nNo. With the South having sea access to the Global Market, the North would not be able to shortcut the South into surrendering.\n\n>>19\nlook at this map\nthe Blockade wasn't \"helpful\"\nit was THE strategy behind forcing the South to submit"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>The docile negro slaves would not be of great value to the North as collaborators. It might be more valuable to just continue to use them as slave labor. lol\nSure thing Cletus\n>I know how it works. You think the North capturing isolated ports deep into Southern\n>Isolated\nKek. You are retarded.\n>A single lost battle and the entire army gets captured.\nYou think your inbred ancestors would have won a battle of North was occupying that much of South.\n>In addition to that the South can use its navy to blockade the port in return.\nBoy I would have loved to read some retards drowing.\n>No. With the South having sea access to the Global Market, the North would not be able to shortcut the South into surrendering.\nNorth didn't \"shortcut\" it. Your brave ancestors pissed their pants the moments thing went South(kek) for them. Hell even you just take it like a bitch when their statues are pulled down."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYes I'm looking at the map, are you? It was the control of the Mississippi and other inland waterways that mattered the most, not the coast. No major nation in modern war has been entirely defeated by blockade."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>began mobilizing earlier\n>the South is very large\n\nIf you actually look at the war, the Confederacy as whole only really preformed well for about the first year and this was largely because the Union Army was tiny and even though most officers stayed in the Union the confederacy actually had more Academy grads overall. After that it's really only the ANV that continues to perform well. The Confederacy performed almost comically bad in the west, losing their largest port almost uncontested and very early in the war. From there, it's largely just the Union chipping away and winning battle after battle.\n\n>>6\nThe Confederacy was absolutely dog shit at international relations and the Union very good. Lincoln did well to keep foreign powers out of the war and Confederate diplomatic missions tried to use cotton as a bargaining chip and generally didn't work.\n\n>>18\nBritish people usually get pissy about this but that was actually the opinion of the Admiralty at the time. By late 1861 the Union Army was large enough to essentially zerg rush Canada before they could bring in additional forces"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>the North would not be able to shortcut the South into surrendering.\nSo by your own words you're saying it wasn't required for victory, but rather a shortcut"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nI still can't believe New Orleans was captured within a fucking year by naval invasion against no resistance"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nCorrect. The North would have had a very costly land campaign ahead of them. If political pressure at home got too high, because of casualties, the South would have kept their independence."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWell, it's great that we've arrived at the conclusion \"if the war became hard enough for the North, the South might've won\""}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\n>European Power intervened\nPig War"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>6\n>French and British get cotton from Egypt and India\n>French and British want nothing to do with the CSA after the Emancipation proclamation makes slavery a core issue of the war"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\n>largest city with strategic importance\nThe south bro lost logistics on their side."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>6\n>Axis\n>WW1\nDo American really?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nLouisiana was one of the least enthusiastic CSA states anyway, focusing on sugarcane plantations rather than cotton. Planters were complaining about the South being ruled by King Cotton and basically no one else had a voice in the government."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\n>the Union Army was large enough to essentially zerg rush Canada\n> professional, British army since day of Crimea, naval doctrine and gorilla warfare on northern front\nYankee only get btfo again"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\nThat's how a lot of wars end.\n\n>>31\nread the rest of the sentence"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\n>I still can't believe New Orleans was captured within a fucking year by naval invasion against no resistance\nThe CSA had Andy Jackson 2.0 fantasies even as they stripped New Orleans of troops for the Shiloh campaign, and forgot that the Brits in 1815 didn’t have steam powered warships. Once Farragut steamed past the river forts the city was utterly defenseless, and he could have shelled it into rubble or cut the levees upstream. They was an awkward standoff until the city surrendered, even before the Yankees had any infantry on the scene."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\n>>16\n>makes more headway in 6 months with 1/3 of the man that Grant, Burnside, or Hooker made in a year, combined\nName three large scale pitched battles Grant personally won against Lee, Ill wait."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>5\n>The Union could have won by being ruthless and attacking women and children\nThis means you are militarily inept, ergo, the CSA held out because their martial ability was superior in spite of the odds.\n>if we just destroy everything the enemy cant fight\nThis is not a way you measure military capability.\nDo jewish people suck at fighting? They sure jobbed during the holocaust and ghetto uprisings, guess jewish people suck so the arabs should win round 2 of the six day war right?\nI mean, this is the point you're making."}, {"id": 38, "content": "The Secesh was fighting a defensive war on home turf with mass popular support, and in the early phases of the war they they were as well armed as the Federals after seizing buttloads of war matériel from forts and arsenals, as well as imports from Europe before the blockade clamped down. They had better soldiers and leadership early in the war before the Yankees sidelined the tards and their troops toughened up. The Union sliced up Confederate territory and won huge victories in the west but it took a long time to slowly grind down the CSA’s war machine."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>Muh pitched battles\nWas Lee able to stop Sherman's march of fire? Would he have been able to do so if Union had tried something like that again? Why would Union risk pitched battles?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>This means you are militarily inept, ergo, the CSA held out because their martial ability was superior in spite of the odds.\nNever said that it proved the military ability of the Union.It sucked ass but only by mild degrees. What I was saying that Union was fighting with a hand behind it's back. It's not epic struggle and CSA got its shit pushed in when the things get heated for real.\n>Do jewish people suck at fighting? They sure jobbed during the holocaust and ghetto uprisings, guess jewish people suck so the arabs should win round 2 of the six day war right?\nWhat i was saying that CSA surrendered like coward bitches the moment war reached their turf. They were not some Spartans having a last stand."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>6\nLincoln and Alexander II were friends, both even stating London is run by jews who hate nationalist economies, Alexander II would fight the jews in the Crimean war. Lincoln would fight the jews in Richmond.\nThe only Confederates who were forbidden to return to the US lest they be executed, were jewish.\n\nBritain sent 15,000 men to Canada, professional soldiers and a load of artillery ready to occupy Northern reaches of the Union. Russia stopped them.\n>>9\nno one quit, bradley, now go back to getting beaten up by jamal because you quoted raptrash wrong"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\nHeadway where, the Peninsula campaign??"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\nAlmost every single battle Lee led the Confederates had a higher casualty rate than the Union, he accomplished jack shit."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nAre Lincoln and Alexander in the room with us right now?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\n>was Lee able to be in two places at once\nno?\n>what would Lee had done if the Union once again targeted women and children\nThe same thing he did which is hold back an even stronger army singlehandedly lol.\n>why risk fighting armies when you could just commit war crimes\nbecause you will not always be on the winning side, numerous times in history a bad reputation has lead to a nation being far worse off than a previously defeated enemy who maintains a good reputation.\nFor example, Spartans killed every Messinian they could get their hands on, They spared the Argives.\nViking armies which restrained themselves from raiding when invading, if they were defeated, were permitted to leave as opposed to a mass execution.\nA more recent example would be how the Germans treated various European groups both friend and foe depending on their reputation among the Germans.\n\nThere are many reasons why turning any conflict into a total war scenario is a net negative.\n\nHowever in the Case of the Union its even worse.\nYou know who rebuilt the South, the Union, you know who paid for it? The Union.\nIf you are going to reincorporate an independent nation, you should not desolate the land and shackle your people to a wartorn state for the next 50 years?\nThe South didnt even have widespread electricity until 1960.\nnot to mention they had a bunch of low IQ low skill ex slaves now moving to a more prosperous land and we saw where that lead.\n\nWhy would the Union risk pitched battles, because they wouldnt have lost their cities to blacks, they would have to foot the bill for physically rebuilding the South (\"just make southerners pay for it\" with what? they had nothing post war.), and they would preserve their reputation, at least until they did the same burn and salt with the natives."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>Union was fighting with a hand behind its back\nas opposed to the South who wasnt despite their greatest raids being communications disruptions, not even remotely destroying livelihoods and attacking civilians.\n>its not epic struggle\nCampaigns featuring 3% of each nation's population (those are WWII numbers) are not epic in scale and tenacity?\nExplain.\n>The CSA surrendered like coward bitches\nWhy are you so angry? Those racists knew how to fight, they fought hard, and they giggamogged you so hard you get angry thinking about it.\n>they were not some Spartans having a last stand\nThey absolutely were, they were the essence of Spartans, a warrior aristocracy fighting against an imperial power against all odds.\n>the war reached their turf\n\nThe first battle was on their turf, the majority of the war was on their turf lol."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>no?\nThat was the point...\n>The same thing he did which is hold back an even stronger army singlehandedly lol.\nYou just said he couldnt be at two places at the same time? What are you smoking dude?\nAlso that enemy wasnt even aggresive and wanted to avoid losses at all costs.\nRest of you post is pure cope and strawmen. They lost. Get over it."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nThe one that got the closest to Richmond and had the best chance at taking it.\nGrant didnt take an undefended Richmond.\nMcClellan was rolling up the heaviest guns America could produce, McClellan was the only one during the war to manage this feat in logistical ability.\nMcClellan was also digging his way forward, ignoring the Napoleonic style of large scale meeting engagements and much preferred the Swedish method of digging toward a far more aggressive enemy's strategic points, which removes their aggression as an advantage as any attack comes at a heavy price, and removes their agility, because they are locked into defending their capital.\nGrant couldnt even pull this off, he recognized it was a superior method of warfare, but he could not even pull it off, notably he could pin Lee as McClellan did, as Lee was able to strike at DC while defending Richmond, no such phenomena was possible with McClellan."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>43\nnope, Lee consistently took less casualties than his opposition. Save against McClellan.\n>but his ratio\nLee's army was smaller, losing 1 man will be a greater loss for his army's % than the Union losing 2 men.\n>ratio is all that matters\nuh oh\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanchester%27s_laws\noh no no no\nHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA\n\nYou realize that Lee not losing his entire army despite being outnumbered means he is Napoleon tier right?\nBy all military metrics he should have not only taken more casualties as per absolute numbers, but shouldnt have ever won a battle.\nBeing outnumbered by at least 2:1 in the early age of ballistic warfare is a death sentence.\nAlso Lee held back the weight of the Union for four years, surviving under pressure the Union never had to feel.\n\n>>44\nno, but if they were they would liberate the US from ZOG, ally with Russia, and two major superpowers would delete israel, england, and the asian races.\n\nWould the world REALLY be much worse off if most of the non-Whites alive today were just dead, just dropped dead tomorrow and the US and Russia formed an impenetrable alliance?\nWould that really be the worst outcome?\ncome on rabbi even you have to admit humanity would be a lot closer to moon colonies if that occurred."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>Lee is Napoleon tier\nPshhhhhhh hahahahaha you dumb hicks never fail to produce good humour. Dont compare your failed mutt generals to legends like Napoleon or even Wellington."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>the point was you cant teleport over 500 miles of distance....\nnoted.\n>you just said he couldnt be at two places at the same time\nYou fucking realize the Army of the Potomac was significantly larger than anything Sherman had under his command right?\n>the enemy wasnt even aggressive\nright, diving for Richmond, diving for Lee in particular, and sending tens of thousands of men to die is not aggressive at all.\n>they lost get over it\n\nI dont think you want to know who won, look up Union policy on Jews post war, Lincoln and Seward's plans for blacks, the build up of Japan, the complete extirpation of siberian-americans from the West.\n\n>HECKIN NOGGERINOS ARE FREEE\nand if Lincoln wasnt assassinated theyd be dying of maleria in their shithole continent (where they belong)"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nWellington was garbage by any standard.\nYou will not find another general in history who made so little go so far as Lee did.\n\nFurthermore, Napoleon was incapable of winning in his old age, Lee's career as a general began at 50 kek.\nRichmond defense, Second BVLL run, Chancellorsville, Wilderness have never been matched.\n\nHow about you name some great European generals who commanded their greatest victories, in their 50s, with inferior cavalry, inferior infantry, inferior artillery, and outnumbered and undersupplied.\nIll wait, actually I wont because you simply have nothing."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nYou are genuinely brain-dead and not worth talking to\n>We won by my schizophrenic logic\nWhatever man. You can keep all the \"winning\" and the North can have all your statues. Keep malding loser kek"}, {"id": 54, "content": "Nobody in America had ever fought a war on this scale. The idea of commanding huge armies with tens of thousands of men was an entirely new experience on this side of the Atlantic."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\n>Wellington was garbage by any standard.\nStopped reading here. There is a reason noone puts you Mutt generals on par with greats and only take away they got from the war was how not to be retarded."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>he won\nnice strawman, you cant argue the facts so you shift the conversation away from reality.\nConfederates have completely destroyed your sanity, you are deranged.\n>The North\nI am from the North and I am a political nationalist, neither of those are compatible with the South. But I recognize the South as a culture of aristocratic warriros.\n\nYou shitlib monkeys have this weird and bizarre fixation with your opposition, it must at once be the greatest threat, so as to justify any action, no matter how depraved, against them, but they must also be infantile and weak, because for your opposition to be strong could sway a favorable opinion towards them.\n\nmy advice,\nstop worshipping 20% proto-humanoids and stop trying to delude yourself with shitlibism.\nrace is real\nthe confederates were militarily unrivaled\nthe jews were banned from returning to the US\nRussia is completely justified\nJapan and Germany were in the Right for attacking the golemized corpse of the Union.\nIts over."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>no response\nclassic.\n>wellington good\nif Wellington was so good, how come he jobbed in every battle he ever fought?\nHis men hard carried him, if not his men then his allies carried him.\nNapoleon v Wellington. Napoleon wins everytime."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>49\nActually no, 2 to 1 would be about the same, and he still failed to meet it, usually not even killing 1.5 as many men as he loses.\nLee was a fairly competent field commander, but a retard when it came to long term strategy, constantly risking too much and winning too little. Comparing him to the likes of Napoleon is fucking absurd."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>46\n>they were the essence of Spartans, a warrior aristocracy fighting against an imperial power against all odds.\nLmao, these fucking \"warrior aristocrats\" were exempt from conscription you dipshit"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>52\n>attacks over an open field into entrenched positions covered by artillery\nTruly Lee was a master strategist the likes of which have never been seen since"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\n>Won almost all the battles where he was in command\n>Won the only time he fought Napoleon\nWhat could Anon mean by this"}, {"id": 62, "content": "Everyone should read The Real Lincoln by Thomas J DiLorenzo. Meticulously researched and full of citations."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>2:1 would be about the same\nnot really since Lee many times found himself outnumbered by more than 2:1\n>he still failed to meet it\nnope, he had more than a few battles where he had proportionally less casualties and less absolute casualties.\n>usually not even killing 1.5 as many as he loses\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Bull_Run\noutnumbered, inflicted 2x more than taken.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Wilderness\nexceeded a 1.5 inflicted vs received.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fredericksburg\nGreater than 2:1 inflicted vs received.\n\nThere's really no shortage of major battles in which Lee, despite being horribly outnumbered did exceedingly well.\n>long term strategy\n???\nHis long term strategy was ideal.\n>he didnt play the long game\nThere is no \"long game\" for the CSA, they can not match the Union production or manpower, their only option to avoid a long term war and try to win a fast victory with shock tactics, Lee's strategy could not have been better.\nHis shock tactics nearly won him the war and demanded extreme action from the Lincoln administration to prevent national collapse.\n>risking too much\nas opposed to risking nothing and being ground down?\n>winning too little\nHe regularly not only survived such odds but overcame them.\n>is fucking absurd\n\nNapoleon was never categorically deficient in infantry, cavalry, artillery, and supply all at once, yet that was Lee in more or less every major battle.\nAlso Napoleon completely lost it at 50. His own Marshalls said he just wasnt the same man.\nLee's generalship began at 50.\n>>59\nactually they volunteered and died at higher rates than the average man.\nThey even formed their own brigade which exclusively reached 100% casualties in a single battle.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Greys"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>41\nDid that Lincoln-Alex ordeal really happen?"}, {"id": 65, "content": "The Union war effort struggled for a long time because the North was a lot more politically divided. It was split between two parties who didn't share the same goals for winning the war, there was also the antiwar Democrat faction, and this spilled over into the army as a lot of generals were Democrats who favored a soft approach to the war that would preserve slavery."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\n>open field\nas opposed to exclusively attacking in low visibility woodland?\n>entrenched positions\nthe Union wasnt entrenched\n>covered by artillery\nartillery which suppressed by the Confederate artillery kek.\nalso everyone had to face artillery when attacking.\nArtillery averaged 100 shots to kill 1 man.\nRifles average 150 lbs of lead to kill 1 man.\n\nNo one even agrees with you btw, modern historiography supposes if Lee had sent his veterans or 3k more men Pickett's charge would have broken the Union line.\n\nYou dont even know who repulsed the charge or what actually happened during the charge, you just see \"attack over open ground, didnt work, heh guess that guy sucked\"\nMost attacks were over open ground, most attacks were under artillery fire, plenty of attacks took place against prepared positions, however this one did not take place against prepare positions."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>61\n>won battles in spite of his leadership\n>Waterloo was a 1v1 with no Germans involved\nkek\n>>64\nYes, Lincoln, Seward, and Alexander II were all friends.\nAlexander II even sent the Russian fleet to prevent the British from interfering with the Union blockade on the Confederacy.\nThe Russian fleet very lightly skirmished with the CSA in the Pacific."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nhttps://www.stolenhistory.org/articles/1863-russian-involvement-in-the-us-civil-war.168/"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\n>DiLorenzo's negative view of Lincoln is explicitly derived from his anarcho-capitalist views.\nI think I'll pass."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>I think I'll pass.\nNot surprising from someone who would believe everything they read on Wikipedia."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nThen please do tell what Wikipedia gets wrong about him and his book"}, {"id": 72, "content": "Thanks 2 pizza"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>14\nThe South would be hard to invade and occupy with 21st century logistics let alone 19th century ones."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nHow? it had tons of rivers, was mostly open country, and its population centers were either near major rivers or coastal."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>50\nLee was superior martially, genetically and spiritually to Wellington.\n\nYou dumb inbred bog monkeys need to lower your inflated sense of ego. You couldn't even subdue us yanks in the 1770s when we didn't have a single munitions factor in our country.\n\nNow your people listen to rock and rap and use our slang. God clearly wanted this to happen."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nHis book is not \"explicitly derived from his anarcho-capitalist views.\" It is derived from a Jeffersonian view on government. He details Lincoln's motivation for war which is derived from his Hamiltonian view, dedication to implementing the American system, and centralizing power at the federal level. He outlines the constitutional argument for secession from the ratification to the Civil War. Debunks the myth that the war was an abolitionist crusade. Documents the war crimes committed by the Union. Shows the problems with Lincoln's economic system which negatively affected both north and south through corruption. While he does believe in a more free market system, he is not an anarcho-capitalist.\n\nThe critiques of his books come from the group that seeks to lionize Lincoln. Either because they benefit from the highly centralized version of the federal government, or they seek to portray his emancipation through a modern lens as a civil rights hero. Lincoln's emancipation was a strategic move to hopefully cause rebellions in the south rather then some moral argument for abolition. Lincoln could have easily paid for the emancipation of every slave along with 40 acres and a mule for every slave freed for less than the north spent on the war. Not even counting the costs of every life lost in the war. He declined every peace conference because his ultimate goal was the centralize the federal government into a single entity in line with the American system rather than a union of sovereign states."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nLincoln was justified in being NS."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nJefferson didn't support the right to unilateral secession and Lincoln considered himself more of a Jeffersonian than Hamiltonian."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n>Jefferson didn't support the right to unilateral secession\n\"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.\" - Jefferson's First Inaugural Address\n\"If any state in the union will declare that it prefers separation with the 1st alternative, to a continuance in union without it, I have no hesitation in saying 'let us separate.'\" - Jefferson to William Crawford 1816\n\nWhile Jefferson believed that the Union was a preferable choice, he believed that states had the sovereign right to choose.\n\n>Lincoln considered himself more of a Jeffersonian than Hamiltonian\nLincoln was the most ardent supporter of Henry Clay and the American System which is the synthesis of Hamiltonian philosophy."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nYou just gave me the same impression that Wikipedia gave me, namely that he's the Libertarian/Ancap/Jeffersonian (call it whatever the fuck you want) type of Confederate apologist who somehow twists the civil war into decentralization vs centralization, and therefore is a complete nutjob so I'll still pass."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>Libertarian/Ancap/Jeffersonian\nConflating these three already shows how little you know about any of them. You will probably fit in back on Reddit where you can worship King Lincoln without any real historical facts interrupting your suck fest."}, {"id": 82, "content": "it big\nseriously, over 770k square miles, most of that rural land. Slightly bigger than Mexico, bigger than any country in Europe except Russia.\nConquering a place like that is bound to take time."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>6\n>keeping the trade routes open\"\n>WW2\nRetarded take"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nI was only conflating them in the context of Confederate apologism as their narratives for the civil war are extremely similair, if not identical.\n>without any real historical facts interrupting your suck fest\nOh the irony."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>65\n>preserve slavery\nThe Republicans planned to preserve slavery as well, if the war ends in 1861, slavery isnt abolished."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nAs long as the rebellious slave states are militarily crushed, they would have abolished slavery no matter when the war ended."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>66\n>be Lee\n>won at Fredericksburg because union soldiers advanced into your prepared lines while being bombarded by artillery\n>do the exact same thing despite having hindsight\n>loose\nYeah some general lee was lmao. Are these modern historians who know better than the many contemporary accounts of the effectiveness of union artillery in the room with us right now? And the attack was repulsed by the 8th Ohio, The Rock of Erin, quick deployment of reinforcements and canister shot."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>6\nNo one wanted to be seen as openly intervening in favor of slavery."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nAb yes. That's totally worth letting a geopolitical Behemoth grow across the Ocean."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLincoln playing generalissimo during the early war and screwing McClellan over."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>67\nSo according to you it was just a fluke how he destroyed Marmont at Salamanca, same with how he smashed the French at Vittoria, and it was all the German who won Waterloo, the Anglo-Dutch forces did absolutely nothing at all because Wellington was such a terrible commander that if Napoleon yknow, hypothetically focused his main attack against Wellington for the entire battle he obviously would’ve won.\n\nOr alternatively, he was a good leader and won a lot of battles.\n\nCall me crazy but the second option sounds more likely."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nIf you were correct you wouldn’t have to misrepresent your opposition."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>87\nLee never advanced into a prepared position post Malvern.\n>are modern historians in the room with us right now\nWhat does this even mean?\n>attack was repulsed by 8th Ohio\nYou wouldn’t have known this if didn’t say it 100 times in the past year when I began studying the ACW.\nLee’s men reached the Union position and were turned by superior numbers and being outflanked, if they had a numerical advantage they would have taken the position and carried the day.\nThis IS the contemporary view on Pickett’s charge.\nLee did not go all in enough.\n>canister shot\nA result of officers disobeying orders and advancing their artillery.\nThis wasn’t an engagement decided by generals, it was decided by valorous action.\n\nLee mogs. Lee is the finest general of the war, up there with the greats of history, you just don’t like him because he’s a saintly figure in the mind of the caricature racist hick you imagine pervades America.\nblack failure is the result of black choices.\nLee is a Napoleon tier. Stay mad."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>86\nUh no, if The Confederacy decides to capitulate after losing at Manassas. Slavery doesn’t end.\n\n>NOO IT WOULD HAVE MAGICALLY ENDED\nthis is not the prevailing view among historians. It also doesn’t even make rational sense.\n\nno one actually wants black people around except for the slavers.\nThe sole reason blacks weren’t culled like every other race who had to ‘handle’ them is due to slavers protecting them and abolition becoming a way to injure Southern Economics."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>87\n>be Napoleon\n>won at Ulm because Coalition forces were too slow and couldn't concentrate enough manpower in the area\n>do the exact same thing at Leipzig\n>loose\nYeah some general Napoleon was lmao."}, {"id": 96, "content": "McClellan was a crybaby who couldn't get along with the administration and demanded unrealistic stuff before he could do anything. Fortunately though, he saved his nastiest words for his private letters to his wife and didn't brag to newspaper reporters about much of a faggot Lincoln was like his butt buddy Fitz-John Porter."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\n>unrealistic stuff\nYou mean shoes?\nWhich were denied btw.\nMcClellan is better compared to all other Union commanders. You dislike him because he was overtly against blacks."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nHe didn't commit enough war crimes against civilians for my taste."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n>One issue Grant faced prior to the start of the Overland Campaign involved certain cavalry regiments who had no horses available. He therefore proposed that these men simply be converted to infantry instead. As the president himself put it: \"When any of the others went out on a campaign, they always insisted they needed this thing or that thing first, usually something I didn't have and couldn't have possibly given them. Grant never does this.\" Here Lincoln was particularly referring to cavalry, which was always in short supply due to lack of horses.[90]"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\nThe prevailing view is that Lincolns only reason for keeping slavery around was to appease the slave states so that they wouldn't rebel."}, {"id": 101, "content": "being able to cooperate with civilian authorities matters. it was important for the Confederate side as well. Lee had a solid working relationship with Jefferson Davis while Bragg and Beauregard did not."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">Grant described in his memoirs the political handicaps that many generals crippled themselves with. \"Those officers who insisted on devising new theories of state government, of issuing emancipation proclamations, and of invading Canada came to almost as much grief as the ones who believed their primary object was to safeguard Rebel property and keep the Negros working in the fields while their owners were off serving in the Rebel army.\"[43]"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nWhere does Lincoln say anything to that effect ever? He was against the expansion of slavery and the deportation of all other blacks. He said nothing close to that except in the Emancipation where he freed all slaves in rebellious lands while doing nothing for slavery in Union controlled territory. This was a strategic move to try and end the war and not some crusade against slavery."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDude, fucking prohibition lasted longer."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>101\n>>99\nIn July 1864, Grant proposed making William Franklin, an old friend of his, commander in the Shenandoah Valley. Lincoln said hell fucking no because Franklin was a closet fag who had a mancrush on McClellan and was not exactly popular with the administration. Well, Grant accepted the \"no\" and that was that. Besides, Phil Sheridan proved far better at that job in the end."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>102\nHe couldn't get rid of Nathaniel Banks or Ben Butler either due to their political value. Although still, for as useless as those guys were in commanding an army they did serve an important purpose as morale raisers and were totally committed to the Union cause in a way a lot of the professional officers were not."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nFranklin's homo butt buddy Baldy Smith was also a colossal tool and douchebag who had a large part in spreading the \"Grant drunk\" maymay."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>103\n>\"A house divided against itself, cannot stand.\"\n>I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free.\n>I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided.\n>It will become all one thing or all the other.\n>Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South.\nAbraham Lincoln, 1858"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\n>My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.\nAbraham Lincoln 1862\n\nHe did not care about the institution of slavery. He was doing whatever he thought was necessary to create a more centralized Union. He was explicit in his belief that whites should not live around blacks. The only reason he wanted to stop the expansion of slavery was to solidify Republican power. The only reason he freed slaves in the south was to weaken them for the war effort."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>4 years of trench warfare\n>long"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\nThe word \"centralized\" isn't mentioned in the quote, and neither does he say that he is disinterested in abolishing slavery, rather he merely says that the preservation of the Union is a higher priority."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\nYou completely misinterpreted the quote. He was elected to stop the expansion of slavery out West, that was the compromise position. Lincoln was a politician, and knew that banning slavery outright would have made secession even more likely. He bent over backwards to compromise with Virginia and keep them out of the CSA, because he knew that it would make his job significantly more difficult. Saving the union was his primary goal, but that doesn't mean that it was his only goal.\n\nWhy do Southern apologists constantly use whataboutisms?\n>The North was racist too!\nOk that still doesn't justify plantation slavery. And northern racism never got quite as bad as the Jim Crow South was later on.\n>Muh Liberia\nThis is an extremely unlikely alt history scenario, it was never that popular even before the war and the cost and logistics would be astronomical."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>50\nJudging how you type I can already tell you are a 16 year old American male of racially mixed descent."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>84\n>makes assumptions and provides no proof\nThe gall to accuse irony is impressive"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\n1/2\nThe push to end the expansion of slavery was a political play to solidify Republican power. No one with half a brain wanted to end slavery because it would have collapsed the economy which would have greatly affected the North as well. In all likelihood, slavery would have died out as soon as it became less attractive financially with industrialization and technological advancements. Had the Union stayed as a voluntary union of sovereign states, the CSA would have likely reunited with the USA. A single union was preferable to all parties except for the fact that one side during that era was always going to economically fuck the other had they been the majority party in power. That disparity would have ended by 1900.\n>The North was racist too!\n>Ok that still doesn't justify plantation slavery. And northern racism never got quite as bad as the Jim Crow South was later on.\nAlexis de Tocqueville reported that day to day race relations were worse in the North, especially states that never had slaves. Reconstruction was such a disaster that it ruined any relationship that had been their prior. The North had lynchings and racist laws on the books. They denied citizenship. They did everything to stop black immigration into their states, before and after the Civil War.\n>Muh Liberia\n>This is an extremely unlikely alt history scenario, it was never that popular even before the war and the cost and logistics would be astronomical.\nIt just further illustrates that the North was not on some moral crusade to save black people. Besides, the more realistic goal was to colonize Central America which would have been more economically feasible.\n\nThe main point is that there cannot be an honest conversation about the war until the false notion that the North and Lincoln were on a moral crusade to end slavery. It was a complex event that goes beyond the reductive \"muh evil South\" narrative that stymies all discussion on the matter."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\n2/2\nThe only good thing about the Civil War was that slavery was ended. However, it could have been done without the bloodshed and economic devastation. The cost of the war in the North alone was greater than it would have been to buy every slave and give each free man a large plot of land. The constitutional argument, of which there is a valid one, is disregarded because \"South was evil.\" The discussion of Lincoln's wartime overreach of power is disregarded because \"South was evil.\" The discussion of atrocities committed by the Union is disregarded because \"South was evil.\" The irreparable damage done by Reconstruction is disregarded because \"South was evil.\" An honest look at history shows that this narrative does not hold water."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>flag is literally the austrian flag with the eu flag in it"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\n>However, it could have been done without the bloodshed and economic devastation.\nIt couldn't have given that the slave states were willing to rebel before Lincoln even entered office, and they rebelled over his stance on slavery, as they clearly stated in their acts of secession.\n>The cost of the war in the North alone was greater than it would have been to buy every slave and give each free man a large plot of land.\nThis baselessly presumes that the slavocrats would have been willing to accept such an arrangement. In reality, however, they never showed any inclination of being willing to give up their slaves under any circumstances.\n>The constitutional argument, of which there is a valid one\nThere isn't. The constitution is exceedingly clear that the federal government has sovereignty over the states, and it does not mention anything of how that sovereignty could be removed. The opinions of Thomas Jefferson =/= what the constitution actually says.\n>is disregarded because \"South was evil.\"\nConveniently, you disregard the fact that the South was indeed evil.\n>wartime overreach of power\nIt's wartime, and is therefore to be expected.\n>The discussion of atrocities committed by the Union\nNobody denies them, but it is a lesser evil compared to slavery.\n>The irreparable damage done by Reconstruction is disregarded\nAnd rightly so since it is bullshit."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>89\nEurope handed the keys to the US on a silver platter. If they didn't want that they shouldn't have came to the US for money in both world wars."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\n>It couldn't have given that the slave states were willing to rebel before Lincoln even entered office, and they rebelled over his stance on slavery, as they clearly stated in their acts of secession.\nAnd slavery was an economic and political issues, not a moral one. Which is factual and has been stated many times over\n>This baselessly presumes that the slavocrats would have been willing to accept such an arrangement. In reality, however, they never showed any inclination of being willing to give up their slaves under any circumstances.\nThe South sent multiple peace envoys to Washington and they were turned away. Emancipation via payment was on the table at the behest of European powers.\n>There isn't. The constitution is exceedingly clear that the federal government has sovereignty over the states, and it does not mention anything of how that sovereignty could be removed. The opinions of Thomas Jefferson =/= what the constitution actually says.\nUnion is explicitly stated in the preamble. Opinions of the framers are indeed applicable in discerning the intention of the document.\n>Conveniently, you disregard the fact that the South was indeed evil.\nSlavery was evil, but the North not innocent. Conditions of blacks in the North was also evil. The argument is horseshit as neither side had moral high ground.\n>It's wartime, and is therefore to be expected.\nIllegal overreach and unconstitutional. This is unavoidable fact. It is not to be expected justifies the South's unwillingness to be led by Lincoln.\n>Nobody denies them, but it is a lesser evil compared to slavery.\nOne has nothing to do with the other. Slavery was not the motivation of Union soldiers. Their actions further justify Southern secession from the Union.\n>And rightly so since it is bullshit.\nReconstruction was just as destructive to whites as blacks. It is the main reason for increased racial tension to this day."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\n>And slavery was an economic and political issues, not a moral one.\nIt was all 3, and also a cultural issue.\n>Emancipation via payment was on the table at the behest of European powers.\nSource?\n>Opinions of the framers are indeed applicable in discerning the intention of the document.\nThere's nothing concrete in the constitution that supports his opinion, he didn't actually take part in the constitutional convention that drafted the constitution, and even if he did he would still just be one man.\n>Conditions of blacks in the North was also evil.\nBut not AS evil.\n>It is not to be expected justifies the South's unwillingness to be led by Lincoln.\nIt doesn't since the Souths unwillingness to be led by Lincoln had fuck all to do with it, the South rebelled SOLELY because of slavery, as they themselves claimed.\n>Their actions further justify Southern secession from the Union.\nThey don't justify the South seceding over slavery, no."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>107\nGrant was a drinker tho and he was based because of it.\nIt only affected his command ability once when he failed to take Mobile because he was drunk and fell off a horse during a race."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>100\nThen why did he keep it around long after the war had begun?\n>>104\nThe South is still around and they are technically all still within the same country kek.\n>>108\nIf it was such a critical issue, why didnt Lincoln abolish slavery earlier?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>110\nconstant fighting between a nation who's capital's were a week's march away\n>>117\nLatvian flag, Latvians are very WHG, the CSA had a high number of I2a2 men compared to the general population, they were Balkan levels of I2."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\n>who's capital's"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">Grant was no McClellan and under most circumstances he was hardly prone to being vengeful towards others, but every once in a while he could make an exception and the principle target of his wrath was Henry Halleck. During the war, Grant had thought well of Halleck and considered him a friend; it was only after Appomattox that he got a chance to view some War Department files in which he found out how Halleck had once tried to cut his throat.\n\n>During the interlude between Ft. Donelson and Shiloh, Halleck had born false witness to McClellan, then commander-in-chief of the army, about how Grant's command was demoralized, completely disorganized, and he was frequently AWOL from duty. Halleck had mentioned \"It has come to my attention that General Grant, since the capture of Ft. Donelson, has resumed his former bad habits.\"\n\n>In Halleck's defense, he was in a particularly bad mood in February-March 1862 after his request for supreme command of the Western theater had been denied and he seems to have taken out his frustrations on Grant, and his mood improved in April after he finally got the desired post. Nonetheless, Grant utterly savaged him in his memoirs and could not muster a single kind word about him."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>121\n>It was all 3, and also a cultural issue.\nNo basis in fact. Northerners could have cared less about blacks and slavery except for the political and economic ramifications,\n>Source?\nAfter the Emancipation Proclamation, the French and British feared it would provoke uprisings which would be directed at women and children not on the warfront. The CSA once again sued for a peace agreement, but it was once again turned away because Lincoln was hoping slaves would attack women and children and thus end the war.\n>There's nothing concrete in the constitution that supports his opinion, he didn't actually take part in the constitutional convention that drafted the constitution, and even if he did he would still just be one man.\nThe law text of West Point taught secession as a legal action until 1860. The Declaration of Independence states \" Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government\" It was far from being solely the opinion of Jefferson.\n>But not AS evil.\nThey were evil and have no moral authority. It proves they did not care about the plight of black people whatsoever.\n>It doesn't since the Souths unwillingness to be led by Lincoln had fuck all to do with it, the South rebelled SOLELY because of slavery, as they themselves claimed.\nHad everything to do with it. I have already stated the reasons for secession and you are making a reductionist argument to insert a false moral claim for justification of the North's reason for war.\n>They don't justify the South seceding over slavery, no.\nThey do indeed. The North has no moral argument based fact. The CSA had every right to govern themselves."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>6\nBecause going to war with the USA for southern cotton was more costly than just buying Indian cotton."}, {"id": 129, "content": "Bassically northern incompetence. The northern generals were pussies who couldn't keep pushing forward after losing casualties. They kept retreating giving the southern army tike to recuperate. The navy took a awhile to figure out the blockade made sense and put it into action. The entire officer corps joined the south lol. So yeah. It would pretty much over tmfor the south. They only lasted r years though bassically northern stupidity and officers all joining their side."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does this look white or african to you?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nasian"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nit's pre-roman iberia"}, {"id": 4, "content": "r u tryna tell us they was blak"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Black.\nMakes sense because those are made by punic traders"}, {"id": 6, "content": "WE"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe could pass as local in Italy, Iberia, and Congo"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHOL' UP"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nneither, I think in amerindians and asians watching this"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nSurprised desu, I kept scrolling past this on catalog because I assumed it was just some ancient South Asian statue from the thumbnail."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMostly a thing of decoration, tartessians used big pending, like the people of India"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMakes me recall busts of buddha for some reason. Tartish read the upanishads..."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Phoenician"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nPhoenician sarcophagi from Gadir, Iberia. Notice the the absolute lack of Ibergroid features."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nDifferent style (looks like archaic greek honestly) and also what do you mean \"ibergroid\" looks?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHe is a bolivian diaspora in Argentina mad at Spain"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThe Tartessian statues have flat noses, full lips, big ears, and slant eyes. They are basically negroes."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nPhoenician sarcophagus from Carthage."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>bolivian diaspora in Argentina\nOof imagine the bullying the argies put him under"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nQuite a lot, among his anti-Italian or anti-Spanish threads, and that he has come to LARP as a Korean even though he is a brown injun of 1.50 banana trees, indicates that he is a pathetic beaner"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nhe's most likely suicidal at this point, poor soul"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>>19\n>they believe darkwitch is the bolivian"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThis specific anon IS a bolivian, a dwarf manlet greasy bolivian living in a country that he hates"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nBased black history realizator"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>there is only one argentinian flag"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nlmfao he's smoking dat good shit"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nHe is a mindbroken hispanist wog that is OBSESSED with the bolivian anon (who hasn't posted in weeks). Everytime someone says anything he doesn't like he brings the bolvian"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\nProbably crafted by Greek artisans as most of these in Sidon were made with Greek marble and in classical Greek fashion, these two from Gadir and the few from Carthage are the same"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\nIt's troonwitch larping as the Bolivian.\nThe Bolivian is very easy to identify by his writing style, he's been gone for months."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nLooks like Buddha"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>>27\nThe thread is about ancient history, my last interaction with you subhuman, was not less than an hour ago, your last spam thread was 5 days ago"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>13\nThat’s Cypriot"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">Someone mentions the statue is clearly a phoenician comission\n>discord drama about Darkwitch, Bolivians and whatever starts\n\nFacebook tier board"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nStop gaslighting, subhuman, everything about your people and country is disgusting"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nThat guy is the retard that imitates him"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\nTroonwitch and the bolivianx are friends. Both are bbc obsessed troons"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nBolivia was a cradle of civilization unlike Asspain."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nGaslighting, you belong to an already defeated centuries ago inferior race"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>28\nThese carthaginian sarcophagi are older than any statues ever produced in Greece, furthermore Greek learned sculpture, architecture, and pretty much everything they know from the Carthaginians during the Orientalizing period."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nsirs..."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nThat was peru. I know this because norte chico is in the coast and well..."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nBolivia, peru, mexico, spain was just a cumdumpster for other civilizations.\nNothing native. While my ancestors were building tenochtitlan spaniards were living in mudhuts until romans colonized them"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>mexcrement believes he is descended from aztecs"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\nYou are not a cradle of civilization. You don't even have writing system, there has never been anything like writing in Bolivia, you didn't know the wheel either, much less metallurgy or domestication of animals. You were naked living in prehistoric societies at 1500s, when literally armies composed by less than 200 men conquered your tribes and raped you out of existence."}, {"id": 45, "content": "Looks like a mix of Greek, Phoenician, Etruscan and Buddhist art.\nI love it."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>33\nExpect that it’s not clear at all who made it or commissioned it\n\n\nIberian sculptures from poorer Eastern and North Easrtern Iberian kingdoms bore often written Iberian letters so they were sculpted by Iberians. Tartessians were wealthier than those so likely they had their sculptors and even more logically local rich guys who commissioned them, this doesn’t mean there weren’t outside influences but that goes for every place in the Mediterranean"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nDude, i'm mexican, my people developed scripts, architecture, textiles, paper, inks, wheels, sails, boats, sculpture, pottery, art, and pretty much everything while yours never invented anything. Everything spain ever had is foreign. You dare calling brown people inferior while your own never had a single thing. Your script is phoenician, while ours is native, your culture is foreign itself"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>39\nNo they are not. They’re from the mid-late 5th century bc so they’re more recent. The first classical greek prototypes are from slightly before the Persian wars."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>North Easrtern Iberian kingdoms bore often written Iberian letters so they were sculpted by Iberians\nNot true. There is like 2 attestation of iberian (phoenician) script. Who in turn are the same with slight modifications and both are plaques."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>45\nAll those cultures lost. Like tears in the rain."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">thread about new archaeological discovery\n>immediately devolves into a haploautist Discord tranny dilation session"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\n>No wheel\n>No scripture\n>No animals\n>No metallurgy\n\nIberians had pretty all that, you guys not even with a continent for your own ever did something, you were born to be slaves, if not from Spain or the US, from any other power in the old world"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>thread about PHOENICIAN art\n>asspaniard cannot help but seethe about his discord boyfriend"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nESLlet needs to do his homework.\n\nIberians had all of those things."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nI support your transition, xister."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>39\nNo they didn’t, they were influenced directly by Egypt where the Greeks had their city port. Not by fucking Carthage which had just been founded."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\n>>53\nSelf-replying beaner, you are repulsive, the brothel of the planet, and you keep wondering why Americans want a wall to keep your kind out"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nAsspainiards were Carthaginian (Kikes) slaves, you lived in mudhuts until they showed up to civilize you."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nIt was introduced, though."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>47\n>my people\nYour people didn't exist until the 1600s though"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>52\nYou had no wheel. The wheel in iberia had originated in the middle east. While ours was native\nYou had no script. The script in iberia was from phoenicians, while ours was native\nYou had no animals, the animals from iberia were domesticated in asia, while ours were native\nYou had no metallurgy. Again. the metallurgy from iberia was developed on asia. While ours was native\n\nYou were stupid, ilitterate, primtiive savages whose entire history is about being foreigners bitches, from indoeuropeans, to phoenicians, to punics, To romans, to visigoths, to moors, to habsburgs, to french.\nNot a single iberian on history ruled iberia, nor accomplished anything.\n\nWe can say we invented everything we had. While you were someone else domestic animal"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>49\nThere are several from several sculptures and they’re in the Iberian script\n\n>derived from\nIrrelevant. So is the Latin script but I’m not Phoenician even though I’m writing in a script derived from Phoenician right now"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nI forgot that. Your attempt of a race was born from moorish rape in the year 700-1300"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nIberian metallurgy is of European origin."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>59\nBy Celts. Iberians were literally celts."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>53\nNo the thread is about Iberian-Tartessisn art that your low iq inbred ass tries to desperatily appropriate because you’re a pathetic insecure third wordler mad at Europeans and/or Iberians"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>62\n>There are several from several sculptures and they’re in the Iberian script\nNo there are not. There is only a handful of iberian script attestations and they are not in sculptures.\nNot to mention \"iberian\" script is a mere variant of phoenician with only 2 or 3 different symbols"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\nPhoenicians come from Europeans who went to the middle east and did there what they did to you."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>48\nThe oldest proper Greek statue (Kritios Boy) is from the 5th BCE and most are way younger than that. Meanwhile the Carthaginian sarcophagi I posted are dated between the 6th BCE and the 5th century BCE."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nWhy would i pretend that art which only appeared AFTER phoenician colonization in the phoenician colonized areas of iberia was not comissioned and done by phoenician traders?\n\nMexicas had their own sculpture and art native to the land. Iberians had to bought it from jews. as usual. Even the most fampus spanish writer (cervantes) was a co vert jew"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>61\nThis is all false Iberians had all those things way before Berbergroids who were literally stone age retarded nomads, even agriculture and animal husbandry came to the Maghreb from Neolithic Iberia"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\n>Doesn't know about the Griffin warrior\n\nUh oh stinky"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>61\nYou're repulsive, and every time you look at your brown, amorphous, obese Mexican face in your broken third-hand mirror each morning, you'll be reminded helplessly that your country sucks, your history sucks, your culture is horrible and that only a tiny peninsula in the southwest corner of Europe mogs your disgusting country and continent, whose only relevant country is the USA and the only important historical events start after 1492."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>65\nNo. Most of this was introduced long before there were any Celts. Domesticated animals came with farmers, copper metallurgy maybe with Italian farmers (Iberia had metallurgy before Beakers), bronze was probably introduced by beakers (I'm not sure). Wheels probably from Celts. I don't think there evidence of early adaptations of wheels in Iberia.\nWriting from Phoenicians or Greeks, like pretty much everyone in Europe."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\n>even agriculture and animal husbandry came to the Maghreb from Neolithic Iberia\nYes, it's been confirmed now. Pastoralism came from the Levant, though."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>67\nTartessian alphabet isn't even related to phoenician, that's a theory but there are many others, as the one that says it's from local origins considering it similarities with Chalcolithic and Bronze Age iberian symbols, it is an undeciphered language and is written circularly like Minoan, other preindoeuropean language"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>57\n..."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\n>Domesticated animals came with farmers\nFrom the Altai. They're pre-Celts.\n\n>bronze was probably introduced by beakers (I'm not sure)\nBeaker is a material association. They were Celts or early Iranics.\n\n>Wheels probably from Celts. I don't think there evidence of early adaptations of wheels in Iberia.\nProto Celts brought it from the east.\n\n>Writing from Phoenicians or Greeks, like pretty much everyone in Europe.\nThey both adopted it probably from a northern Eurasian source. Hence why the earliest Turkic matches the early Cuman matching the earliest Raetians."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>69\nThe oldest Greek statues are from the 7th century bc like those from Samos or Crete, older than all stone sculptures from Carthage. The oldest European human sized statues from Malta are 3000 years older than any statue from N Africa or Lebanon\n\n>>68\nLiteral liar and in bad faith, any scholarly article about Iberian sculptures mentions them and provides pictures of them\n>>70\nSo? Phoenicians had zero stones statues too before roughly the same period and were heavily influenced by Greeks and Egyptians"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>71\nAbsolutely delusional. Farming was invented by Natufians and was spread by them outside of MENA through rape and genocide. As for Husbandry, it was invented by Natufian-descended PPN who also spread it outside of MENA through rape and genocide.\n\nIberians were literal spear-chucking subhumans prior to being raped by MENA.\n\n>>72\n>Griffin warrior\nNot a statue."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>75\n>Pastoralism came from the Levant, though.\nExtremely unlikely. That theory just comes from nationalist pop articles."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>77\nEdited"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\n>Literal liar and in bad faith\nPoor supposition. Phoenicians entered among the sea peoples. They do not exist before the sea peoples."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>71\nNo its not. Literally all things i noted werent in iberia until foreigners brought it.\n>>68\nAnother layer of iberian wewuzing to cope with their natural primitive state\n>>74\nCopper metallurgy started in MENA. Horses and pigs came from asia, while dogs,the first domestic animals were found first in denmark\n\nIberia had no wheel either. Let alone script of its own and paper.\n\nMesoamericans developed everything without foreigners bringing it.\nWhile you failed to do anything except being a colony for someone else."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\n>Not a statue\nAnd yet it's art is leagues beyond anything else in the world dating from the middle second millennium... BC."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>80\nBerbergroid were low iq Abo tier apes before Cardialchads brought agricture and farming ti Morocco, and they stayed retarded nomads until extremely late\ndespite that\n\n>Natufians\nDelusional Mamadu you have nothing to do with ‘em"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>78\n>Proto Celts brought it from the east.\nThe first known wheel is from slovenian neolithics. The first known carts from polish neolithics"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nPhoenicians don't emerge until during the invasion of the sea peoples. The dynasty in charge of Phoenicia at the time is Greek. Put two and two together now."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>67\n>>76\nBtw here a sample of a tartessian table, they wrote in circle"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\nBoth proto Celtic peoples. Keep in mind Slavs don't exist yet."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>83\nSome other ignorant non sense from a retarded clown\n>>84\nThey literally all were, retard. The wheel was brought to the MENA by Aryan Norteners thougj"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>80\nNatufian monkeys were nomadic chimps until catalhoyuk introduced them to proper farming. Mind that wheat itself is a crop native to anatolia.\nNatugroids didn't eve had pottery or textile fibers until anatolians gave it to them\nFuck of joseph"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\nAnother one"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>67\n>attestations and they are not in sculptures.\n>Not to mention \"iberian\" script is a mere variant of phoenician with only 2 or 3 different symbols\nIberians were among the sea peoples who brought script to Phoenicia."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>79\nGreeks had null statue until phoenician and oriental influence. First stone carvingz of humans are clearly from mesopotamia and egypt"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\nYou don't know the first thing about history. But then again, you are quite dun."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>82\n(you)"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\n>Iberians were among the sea peoples who brought script to Phoenicia\nLmao chimp. Phoenicians got it from proto-sinaitic"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>86\nDelusional ibergroid\n\nIAM samples do not have a single drop of Ibergroid blood. They are Natufian + SSA.\n\nTarget: MAR_EN\nDistance: 28.4097% / 0.28409718\n67.0 Levant_PPNB\n33.0 Yoruba\n0.0 WHG"}, {"id": 100, "content": "Why are iberians such copers? Inferiority complex towards mexicans?\nIs because they go bald once they hit 17 years? Because they are ugly and look like hamsters?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>76\n>Tartessian alphabet isn't even related to phoenician, that's a theory but there are many others\nLol, literally all alphabets in iberia are 100% derived from proto-sinaitic of the phoenician related branch.\nThere is no such thing as a native script from iberia.\nAll symbols in iberian scripts are lineraly derived beyond any doubt from phoenician.\nIt has no similarity with minoan.\nAlso what the fuck is this shit of writen circularly lmao. Do you think its some kind of unique feature to write among two twisted lines? It is read in the same way other scripts are.\nThere is nothing unique or native about it. You have nothing like us, you never invented writing"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>98\nMexico causes more disgust than anything else, bitching about Spain raping you out of existence at every ocassion as much as you bitch and blame the US about your drugs/crime troubles caused by your own repulsive nature and incompetence"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>unknown\n???\nWhat am i supossed to see here? A little rock with some holes?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>99\nBerbergroid truly are abominations, but we already knew that"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>78\n>from the Altai\nNo, from the Middle East... Where did you get that Altai from? Those are mountains between Kazakhstan and Mongolia."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nA 3 cm gem carved with immense precision\n>>101\n>us\nBerbergroids never invented anything\n\nOr if you’re a beaner I feel even more sorry for you, stone age retarded fuckers exterminated by 100 Spanish sailors on their day off, pretty pathetic"}, {"id": 107, "content": "Why didn't iberians ever developed sculpture on their own before phoenician colonization? Mexico did it way before."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>101\nTartessians weren't iberians you dumbass, they also are older, from IX-V century BC, By default, half the letters of the Tartessian alphabet were already found on stelae and cave paintings from the Late Bronze Age south Spain"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">literally just stylisation or even direct Hellenic influence\n>whole schizo arc that is entertained\nI hate 4chan becoming /x/. You can feel the global 90IQ midwittery flowing into the website, killing everything good about it."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>100\nIberians are the niggers of the Europe, they spent most of their history as barely sentient WHG spear chuckers and the rest as an underclass ruled by Celts, Phoenicians, Romans, Goths, Swabians, Arabs, French, Austrians, French (Again).\n\nMeanwhile, Mexicans developed their own civilization, alphabet, and even powerful states, something that Iberians never managed without being ruled by a foreign elites."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>81\nAnd from DNA. There's a new study with samples from Morocco."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>106\n>3 cm gem carved with immense precision\nSo a little rock with holes. Probably not even radiocarbon dated. Not a sculpture even by luck\nThanks for the confirmation\nBtw griffins are a sumerian motiff. It implies is likely imported from there"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>108\n>Cave paintings\n>from the late bronze age\nLMAO. Is this supossed to prove any nativity?\n80% of the symbols are straight up the same as phoenician\nThere is nothing invented in your subhuman peninsula unlike in mexico\n\nStupid ape"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>107\n>>110\n>Spain is mentioned\n>Mexicans mad\nWhy are you like this, what kind of defeated, conquered, raped and colonized brown inferiority complex you must have to be this schizophrenic?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">jolin we wuz inventorz of script n SHIEET\n>>108\n>>93\n>>89\n\n>also it looks identical to phoenician script by mere chance"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>110\n>powerful state\nLol, beaten by a few malnourished Spanish adventurers. They were stone age tards with stone and wood maces in the 16th century too retarded to develop the wheel or some means of trasport more complex than a log canoe\n>>112\nIt was found a few years ago under regular excavations in a well known and studied rich Mycenaean tomb, unlike fake Mexikang trinkets, in Casa de Papel one of the main chatacters said about Precolumbian Amerikang trinkets:\n\nMy 4 year old nephew makes better puppets with dough\n\n\nI laughed my ass off because it’s true"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>113\nMost are identified symbols of local origin. The Tartessian alphabet dates from the 8th century BC. C., not even with a continent for yourselves, Mexico managed to get out of Prehistory. stuck forever at Paleolithic/Neolithic."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\nIt is not a syllabic script and its characters date from the Bronze Age. Seethe, because that's all you can do."}, {"id": 119, "content": "Looks mayan to me bros"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n>Most are identified symbols of local origin\nLmao no they aren't. Literally the whole archeological community agrees all symbols are of phoenician origins. Even your ooga booga stone paintongs are hēth, tēth, dāleth, hē and qôph\nYour whole attempt of wewuzing that your subhuman ancestors invented a script is literally a whole fantasy no one agrees with\nAll of it postdates proto-sinaitic and has non-existent precendents while looking identical to phoenician.\nWhereas unlike your shitty symbols stolen from foreigners we invented our own alphabet from scratch and even numeral system (as we know your caveman ancestors had no math at all) with zero included.\nIberians are slaves for other races with no inventive capacity.\nYou can only destroy"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>110\nMakes sense. Now they are trying to we wuz that they actually invented the alphabet n shieeeet\n\nSuch a pathetic attempt of a \"people\""}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nThe archaeological community still debates its origin because it is an alphabet that has not even been deciphered yet, wetback beaner. Its symbols are of local origin, especially considering its positioning and since it is not a sibalic alphabet."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>92\nSeethe harder southron\n\nNatufians were the world's first farmers, first architects, first barkers, and first beer makers. As for Catal Hoyuk, it was merely one of their many PPN colonies in Anatolia. Actual Anatolians were ooga booga AHG chimps not much different from their WHG cousins."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nPPN in the Levant has Anatolian ancestry. Natufians were hunter gatherers."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>120\n>>121\nYour shithole third world country is only known for junping wall to America, obessity, drugs, camwhores and being cumdumpster of Spanish for centuries"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>122\n>The archaeological community still debates its origin because it is an alphabet that has not even been deciphered yet\nThey don't. Stupid ape\nNo one proposses a local origin for your caveman scratches\n>The oldest Iberian inscriptions date to the 4th or possibly the 5th century BCE, a\n>It is generally accepted that they were derived at least partly from the Greek alphabet and/or Phoenician alphabet, with which they share many similar-looking glyphs. Some researchers conclude that the origin of the northern and southern Iberian scripts ultimately lies solely with the Phoenician alphabet; others believe the Greek alphabet also played a role; others still have suggested influences from Old Italic. It appears that either the glyphs themselves were changed, or that they assumed new values."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>123\nCatalhoyuk is purely anatolian, first architecture is found in anatolia, first wheat is from anatolia, natufians are just a negroid mutt hunter gatherer nomad variant of anatolian. Simple chimps domesticated by their brothers without nigger admixture"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\n>>127\nNo. Anatolian farmers were a mutt population of Natufian men and AHG (related to WHG) women."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nAnatolian farmer mtdna was predominantly H, J, K and T... natufian mulatto pussies..."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>126\nPortuguese archaeologist Manuel Calado, have also defended an autochthonous origin of the Tartessian alphabet, based on the similarities between the Tartessian inscriptions and those of the southwest of the peninsula. Juan Maluquer suggested that the Tartessian alphabet could be an evolution of the andalusian Bronze Age stelae incriptions.\nYou could at least give yourself the task of reading the matter, 150 mexcrement fatass midget. Tartessian inscriptions date from the 6th and 5th century BC. C., because from the 4th century the tartessos collapse and tartessians become Turdetanians."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>Portuguese archaeologist Manuel Calado\nYawn\n>>130\n>Juan Maluquer suggested that the Tartessian alphabet could be an evolution of the andalusian Bronze Age stelae incriptions\nWho are themselves derived from proto-simaitic..."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>128\n>E1b1b raped and bred anatolian women\nmedsissies, we lost..."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\nI cite authors, here are more than defend the local Chalcolithic/Bronze Age origins.\nMichael Koch, Adolf Schulten, John Collis.\nYou're just a greasy brown ball from a failed drug dealing country with a complex because a war band conquered you half a millennium ago."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>132\nNafritranny... not like this."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nNo serious authors defend the idea that a script identical to phoenician, in a phoenician colony, with recurrent phoenician expeditions, is not phoenician. Literally the whole scientific community agrees.\nYour shitty scratches cant be further from being local\nWhile our script is totally native. Coping ape.\nEven irish have a better try wewuzing that ogham is native as it is at least not visually identical to phoenician"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nJohn Collis is by default a renowned author on the European Iron Age, fatass brown wetback"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nHe claims they were from celts. Pure larp"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nBecause several words as Arganthonios are from Celtic origins you dumbass"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nThe bronze age in nigberia started with the arrival of celts.\nThere is nothing resembling the phoenician alphabet your shitty peninsula used before the year 600 BCE.\nYour pathetic larp is like claiming greek alphabet is not derived from phoenician"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>10\n>>11\n>>13\nHere's a fun one, this is from the Moche, a major Pre-Inca civilization from the deserts of Northern Peru in the 1st half of the 1st millennium AD.\n\nAt a glance it looks very Greek, but it does actually match other pieces of Moche art stylistically in many respects. Especially when you remove the gold mask\n\nWas gonna post more but most of the thread seems to be moronic shitflinging so i'll leave it here"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n>At a glance it looks very Greek\nIt doesnt wtf"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\n>At a glance it looks very Greek\nlol"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>140\nI can see what you mean, what would be the \"beard\"?"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>128\n>Natufian men\nYes, and that's why Natufian Y-DNA is practically absent from Anatolian samples.\nAnd no, PPN clearly shows admixture from the North."}, {"id": 145, "content": "Mexico:\n-ancient civilization\n-script of its own\n-invented paper, had the wheel\n-native architecture style\n-only colonized for 300 years\n>spain\nNo ancient civilization of its own\nNever invented script\nNever invented anything on its own\nNo native architecture or art\nColonized by romans for 500 years, visigoths for 600 and nafris for 800"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>143\nIt's probably meant to be a beard, the idea that indigenous people didn't have facial hair is a meme\n\nAs seen in pic related, it's not that uncommon in art, there's been excavated tweezers as well, the Florentine codex etc mentions people shaved in aztec society aside from royalty and the elderly, and in turn Moctezuma II is described as and depicted with facial hair as well."}, {"id": 147, "content": "The new study on Mesolithic/Neolithic North Africa contains several R1b samples, not a single trace of E-M81 was found as usual. We now have enough to prove that E-M81 was definitely not present in Pre-Phoeniciain North Africa.\n\niam004 no result\noub2 R1b1a1b1a1\nktg001 no result\nktg004 G2a2b2a1a1c1a\nktg005 R1b1a1b1a1\nktg006 G2a2b2a1a1c1a\nskh001 R1b1a1b1a1a2b1a\nskh002 T1a1a\nskh003 T1a1\n\n\n>>144\nOne sample from Barcin is E1b1b and Turks are 10% E1b1b."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\nAlrigth so\n\n>Mesolithic (0% E-M81)\nTAF010 E-M78\nTAF011 E-M78\nTAF013 E-M78\nTAF014 E-M78\nTAF015 E-M78\nTAF009 E-M78\nOUB2 R-P310\n\n>Neolithic (0% E-M81)\nIAM.4 -\nIAM.7 E-L19\nKTG001 -\nKTG004 G-CTS5990\nKTG005 R-P310\nKTG006 G-CTS5990\nSKH001 R-S255\nSKH002 T-L208\nSKH003 T-L162\n\n>Chalcolithic (0% E-M81)\nKEB.7 CT-M168\nKEB.6 T-L208\nI4246 E-M78\nI15940 E-M78\n\n>Iron Age (0% E-M81)\nR11793 J-L26\nR11753 J-M12\nR11751 J-M241\nR11746 R-M343\n\n>Roman Era (0% E-M81)\nR10766 G-Z30521\nR10770 Contaminated (Possibly E-M81)\nR10667 I-Y34539"}, {"id": 149, "content": "So the oldest Berber was an R1beta. Madkhis may actually be native to North Africa.\n\n>While Late Mesolithic huntergatherers from Iberia (paper III) show shared ancestry with central and eastern European hunter-gatherers, an Epipalaeolithic hunter-gatherer from North Africa (oub002, paper V) exhibits a remarkable 8,000 years population continuity and isolation since the Upper Palaeolithic; a distinct group of humans\n40 with a unique ’Maghrebi’ genetic make-up.\nhttps://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1726418/FULLTEXT01.pdf"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStay classy /his/"}, {"id": 151, "content": "berbers were raped hard by neolithic and early bronze age Iberians turning them from literal mulattos to quadroons"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>27\nDon't listen to this guy. He's a cuckold maniac half-Injun Mexican who DESPISES the Hispanist Wog that is OBSESSED with the Bolivian Anon. At the slightest hint of the presence of the Hispanist Bolivianon hater, he goes crazy and starts flinging accusations."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>33\n>Facebook tier board\nNah! Classic 4chan thread; race and religion"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\nR1berbers were gangraped by G, E, T, CT, then by J, and at last E-M81 and E-V65 mercy killed them and took their land for themselves. Feels good."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>47\nChaquetita y a dormir"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>140\n>very greek\nNo that just looks like absolute shit"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>139\nNo it did not, Iberians had the bronze age around 4000-3300 years ago, don’t project your stone age retard origins on others please, Paco"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\n>Iberians had the bronze age around 4000-3300 years ago\nYes stupid animal. With the arrival of beakers."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nBeakers did not have bronze tools aside from a few small daggers, retard"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nArgaric culture widely used bronze tools, weapons, crowns, etc"}, {"id": 161, "content": "OH NO NO NO NO"}, {"id": 162, "content": "absolutely MIND BROKEN\ni admire the boli, i hope he's doing fine wherever he is now"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I watched Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade yesterday and there was this scene where the Nazis were burning books in a gigant rally with Hitler attending. This took place in 1938 according to the movie. I was wondering, how many book burning did the Nazis do? When did they stop? Did they take place even during the war? All I could find on the internet was info about the 1933 book burnings."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey burned books about biology, history, classical literature, chemistry, no it wasn't just \"tranny books\" like /pol/ claims, they were literal chimpanzees that did everything in their power to make white people look bad for the rest of history.\n\nI hate them and I hate G*rmans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm not arguing that I just asked how many of those book burnings were there and how long did they last"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIt was either degenerate judeo-marxists or their sympathizers. Nothing of value was lost"}, {"id": 5, "content": "They burned books about transgender biology, transgender history, transgender literature, transgender chemistry, no it wasn't just \"books\" like mainstream academics claims, they were literal Transphobes that did everything in their power to make trannies look bad for the rest of history."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThey were in 1933. It was mostly for internal propaganda purposes."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKaiser-Wilhelm-Gesellschaft zur Förderung der Wissenschaften (1886) burned their outdated scientific literature. Kaiser Wilhelm Society for the Advancement of Science (founded 1886, burning 1933).\n\nScience advanced."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nhistorians wanted to catalogue the disproven scientific theories' books to hinder the advancement of science."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>7\nThey burned books by Einstein too, so no."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nsure, and max planck's, lol"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nLeddit tier and plagiarist"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\nSure he was. And your no doubt exceptional evidence is?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nCopied the theory of relativity from Lorentz and a bunch of other people"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nSo how is burning his books and calling relativity \"Jewish physics\" advancing science?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSo how is murdering a bunch of marxist jews stopping the advance of science?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThat's easy to answer, they emigrated to the US where their theories were listened to and the Manhattan Project was successful whereas the German one was still struggling to get their reactor to reach criticality."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNukes are bad, one more reason to exterminate kikee"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nChudolf was trying to get them though"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nHendrik Antoon Lorentz (July 18, 1853 - February 4, 1928) was a Dutch physicist who shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect. He derived the Lorentz transformation which Albert Einstein subsequently used to make claims to special theory of relativity, as well as the Lorentz force, which describes the combined electric and magnetic forces acting on a charged particle in an electromagnetic field. Lorentz was also responsible for the Lorentz oscillator model, a classical model used to describe the anomalous dispersion observed in dielectric materials when the driving frequency of the electric field was near the resonant frequency, resulting in abnormal refractive indices. According to the biography published by the Nobel Foundation, \"It may well be said that Lorentz was regarded by all theoretical physicists as the world's leading spirit, who completed what was left unfinished by his predecessors and prepared the ground for the fruitful reception of the new ideas based on the quantum theory.\" He received many other honors and distinctions, including a term as chairman of the International Committee on Intellectual Cooperation, the forerunner of UNESCO, between 1925 and 1928."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nWasnt hitler le bad?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWell I didn't say nukes were good."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\n>greatest, most advanced scientists in the world-who started humanities space program- burned science books .... just because\nstfu jew"}, {"id": 23, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_banned_in_Nazi_Germany\n\n>Hilaire Belloc\n>Edmund Burke\n>G. K. Chesterton\n>Dorothy Day\n>Alfred Döblin\n>Erasmus\n>F. Scott Fitzgerald\n>Edward Gibbon\n>André Gide\n>William Godwin\n>Heinrich Heine\n>Ernest Hemingway\n>Hermann Hesse\n>David Hume\n>Aldous Huxley\n>Thomas Jefferson\n>Franz Kafka\n>Erich Kästner\n>C. S. Lewis\n>Jack London\n>Joseph de Maistre\n>Thomas Mann\n>Thomas More\n>Robert Musil\n>John Henry Newman\n>Flannery O'Connor\n>George Orwell\n>Thomas Paine\n>Marcel Proust\n>Joseph Roth\n>Jean-Jacques Rousseau\n>Fulton Sheen\n>Adam Smith\n>J.R.R. Tolkien\n>Mark Twain\n>Voltaire\n>Simone Weil\n>H. G. Wells\n>Oscar Wilde\n>Stefan Zweig\n\nWhy can't Nazis just admit they hate Western culture?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>(((western culture)))\nGee, I wonder"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nIt's da hecking juderinos and trannerinos"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nWTF is the relevance of that to my post and all the listed authors? Why the fuck are the Nazis banning Erasmus, Edward Gibbon, Thomas More, etc?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\nmyth\n>>23\nmyth"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nthe only myth here are the existence of your braincells"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>angl*s, christcucks and enlightenment degenerates\nGood, nothing of value was lost"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>13\n\nCitation badly needed."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nRussia had the launch sequence and operational control of Ukraine's nuclear warheads and its weapons system.\nIn 1994, Ukraine cited its inability to circumvent the Russian launch codes. Still, should have kept the warheads."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBurn, baby, burn. Drill, baby, drill."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>OMG not heckin paper boys!\nWhy do redditors hate book burning some much? Its like their ultimate gotcha."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI'm just asking if Spielberg was historically right or not by showing us a Nazi book burning taking place in 1938"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>2\n>I hecken love science!\n*nazis help america invent the atomic bomb and start the space race*\n>not like that!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>nazis help america invent the atomic bomb\nNever happened."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nIt's a pretty common trope in a lot of Hollywood films.\nJoJo Rabbit comes to mind.\nIt's an easy, visual way to show extreme censorship.\nAs to your question, I don't know. You'd think all the books worth burning would be ashes by 1938.\nAfter quick look through Wikipedia it seems, within Germany itself the organised burnings only occurred in 1933, with others occuring after occupation.\nInteresting question OP.\nHopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can help you out."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>2\nIt literally was just leftist propaganda, not classic literature retard LMAO"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>22\n>who started humanities space program\nIronically, humanities space program would actually be started before WW2 by the Russian Tsiolkovsky and the American Goddard, something of a foreshadowing of the later Space Race"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>It literally was just leftist propaganda, not classic literature retard LMAO\nsee >>23"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>31\nIf there's anything 1990s Ukraine needed, it was more useless nuclear stuff left out to rot"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>17\nlolno nukes have been the best gift to world peace there is because they've ensured that for the last 75 years there have been wars outside Third World countries"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>23\n>flannery o'connor\n>first book published in 1952\ndid the nazis have a time machine, you lying kike?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nIt was real.... in his mind..."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>5\nAh yes the transgender All Quiet on the Western Front"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>2\n>biology\nBooks that deny scientific facts about race and gender are not \"biology\" books.\n>history, classical literature,\nMarxist propaganda is not \"history\" and \"classical literature\"\n>chemistry\nName one book"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>23\nSeems based to me"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nShe was a short story writer"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nHer first short story collection was published in 1955. Truly Nazi wickedness knows no boundaries, including that of time itself!"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>>chemistry\nIronic because IG Farben was a fucking juggernaut."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>Books that deny scientific facts about race and gender are not \"biology\" books.\nPlease explain how zoologist Ernst Haeckel was a Marxist subversive that denied any of that. He was literally a Darwinian evolutionary biologist and an eugenicist proponent, he was banned because he was a liberal, a pacifist and his classification of races did not put Jews at the bottom, all things that upset the Nazis. Some Nazis were also against evolutionary biology lmao.\n\n>Marxist propaganda is not \"history\" and \"classical literature\"\nGibbons is a Marxist now lmao.\nAdam Smith, Keynes and Von Mises were Marxists kek.\nErasmus, Oscar Wilde, CS Lewis, Tolkien, Fitzgerald, Hemingway and Edgar Allan Poe were Marxists lmao.\nYou are a clown. Why do you hate Western civilization so much?\n\n>chemistry\n>Name one book\nThe Periodic System (1920–1923). Niels Bohr Collected Works."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nGiven that your list has easily demonstratable lies in it (O'Connor) why should we believe in any of the other entries? Do yids not understand how credibility works?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nShort story authors first started out in magazines and newspapers, then they would publish books. You'd know this if you knew the most basic thing about literature but you are a /pol/aroid chimpanzee. O'Connor started publishing on magazines in the 1920s."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nThere are no lies, you are just stupid. But hopefully not everyone is and can google this stuff and learn something."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nNTA but hillarious goalpost change. Why are Nazis so retarded? Hitler would have fucking gassed you lmao"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nlmao so they were burning newspapers and magazines as well? Why do you keep backpedaling on obvious lies you worthless sheenie? Her first work published in any medium was in 1946 in the magazine Accent."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>>54\n>goalpost change\n>the list of burned \"books\" was real.... in my mind"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>>57\nShe was on the list of banned and blacklisted authors.\nCope seethe and dilate."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\n>google stuff about nazis\n>source is holocaustmemorial.com\nNo wonder nobody believes this shit"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nnazi time travelers status; confirmed"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>51\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel\nThis shit is hillarious\n\n>Alfred Ploetz, founder of the German Society for Racial Hygiene, praised Haeckel repeatedly, and invited him to become an honorary member. Haeckel accepted the invitation. Haeckel also believed that Germany should be governed by an authoritarian political system, and that inequalities both within and between societies were an inevitable product of evolutionary law. Haeckel was also an extreme German nationalist who believed strongly in the superiority of German culture.\n\n>On the other hand, Haeckel was not an anti-Semite. In the racial hierarchies he constructed Jews tended to appear closer to the top, rather than closer to the bottom as in Nazi racial thought. He was also a pacifist until the First World War, when he wrote propaganda in favor of the war.\n\n>SS captain and biologist Heinz Brücher wrote a biography of Haeckel in 1936, in which he praised Haeckel as a \"pioneer in biological state thinking\". This opinion was also shared by the scholarly journal, Der Biologe, which celebrated Haeckel's 100th birthday, in 1934, with several essays acclaiming him as a pioneering thinker of Nazism. Other Nazis kept their distance from Haeckel. Nazi propaganda guidelines issued in 1935 listed books which popularized Darwin and evolution on an \"expunged list\". Haeckel was included by name as a forbidden author. Gunther Hecht, a member of the Nazi Department of Race Politics, also issued a memorandum rejecting Haeckel as a forerunner of Nazism. Kurt Hildebrandt, a Nazi political philosopher, also rejected Haeckel. Eventually Haeckel was rejected by Nazi bureaucrats."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\ntl;dr\nNazis banned books promoting Darwin and evolution and eventually banned one of the forerunners of scientific racism."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nBased nazis. Everyone who doesnt harbor antisemitic views is useless and everything he ever said should be discarded as worthless garbage"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nLike Nietzsche?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\n>>62\nKek. The eternal poltard dissonance.\nSee>>63"}, {"id": 66, "content": "Listen here boychik, the fact we have to tell transparent lies about how the nazis put a 8 year old girl on a list of banned authors despite the fact she wouldn't publish anything for another 11 years is just PROOF how important it is for you to believe us!"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nYes, literally. I hate that leddit icon"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n*13 years"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>Nazis stopped banning books and burning them after that date\nHahaha keep going man"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nno doubt, in fact they were burning them in 1952 after she published her first book!"}, {"id": 71, "content": "Maybe white people do have it coming if these are the greatest champions of white race. Sad!"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>63\nThe Nazis destroyed Western civilization"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nMaybe a author can be banned without publishing any books? Maybe a author is not just people who publish books but write in general? Maybe you are grasping at straws? Are you sure you are not pic related? A very common Nazi phenotype."}, {"id": 74, "content": "Why should I be anti-semitic?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nGood, it was gay and jewish and deserved to fall"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>Good, it was gay and jewish and deserved to fall"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">Everyone that worked in my interests but failed miserably was gay and jewish. It's definitely not a L for my ideology!!!!"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\n>you have to be very high IQ to understand time traveling nazis banning books that had not yet been written\nor maybe your list is just a bunch of lies. Who knows!"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nthe western globohomo is an enemy of white people"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n>Banning the author means they banned the books before they existed\nWtf how come Hitler didn't see that he would fail miserably and Jews would enjoy their stay in luxury resorts while Germans die in trenches!"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nUhhhhh did you see another black man in your favourite movie franchise today? Poor baby...that was such a hardcore genocide the \"globohomo\" did against you!"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>51\n>Adam Smith, Keynes and Von Mises were Marxists kek.\nThey were (((Ricardians))) who are worse than Marxists.\n\n>Erasmus, Oscar Wilde, CS Lewis, Tolkien, Fitzgerald, Hemingway and Edgar Allan Poe were Marxists lmao.\nnone of these were banned authors, why lie?\n>periodic system\noutdated and wasnt burned."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n>banning the author\n>flannery o'connor was 15 in 1940\n\nthere really is no true or false to jews, words are just sounds they make to try and get what they want."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nDid another chud call you a tranny today? Poor baby... that was such a hardcore genocide the \"incels\" did against you!"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>65\n>>61\n>>62\n>everything with a Science™ label is scientific\nHAHHAHAHHAHAHAA\nThe Nazis burned tranny shit, homo shit, jewshit, and the best you can come up with is\n>uhhh they uhhhh burned some biology book that wasnt supported by the data\nHAHHAHAHHAHAHAA\nkikeratxisters\n\nits so fucking over\nhappy Yom Hishoah or whatever the fuck day it is you celebrate that fake shmake holohoax."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>Flannery O'Connor was banned in 1940\nWow I should surely believe this without any evidence?\n>there really is no true or false to jews, words are just sounds they make to try and get what they want.\nLike how Nazis tried to rewrite and made up bullshit to murder millions of white people while Jews enjoyed resorts?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>Any data that doesn't support my ideology is real\n>But Himler's ideas was definitely facts\n>Poltard dissonance on display\nKek. The champions of white race!\n>>84\n>Everyone who calls me retarded is a tranny\nYou have more in common in trannies considering what your leader did."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\n>Darwinian evolution is not backed by the data\nThis is your brain on /pol/"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nSeething kikelet"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>85\ndid they ban plato symposiuum"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>43\n>first book published in 1952\ntry 1946 you dumb frogposting nigger, and that was a short story collection. do you know how short story collections work?"}, {"id": 92, "content": "Is it antisemitic to ask jews to not make transparent and childish lies about historical events?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nYes"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nno you 85 iq locksmith scammer, the first written work that was published in any format (in this case, within a magazine) was already after the end of ww2, in 1946."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>Didn't get the argument\n>Calling anyone 85 iq\nHoly mother of keks. No wonder Hitler was able to seize power."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>O'Connor attended Peabody High School, where she worked as the school newspaper's art editor and from which she graduated in 1942.[10] She entered Georgia State College for Women (now Georgia College & State University) in an accelerated three-year program and graduated in June 1945 with a B.A. in sociology and English literature. While at Georgia College, she produced a significant amount of cartoon work for the student newspaper.[11][12] Many critics have claimed that the idiosyncratic style and approach of these early cartoons shaped her later fiction in important ways.[13][14]\nThat's it, 5 minutes at Wikipedia, something apparently impossible for you because you're a dumb nigger.\n\nHow about instead of trying to fictionalize someone's history you look at the primary source for the fact that she was a creator that was banned by the Nazis? Or is that too hard to obfuscate and distort?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n\"The Geranium\" (her only work published in 1946) was NOT a collection, you inbred midget."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\n>The Geranium\" (her only work published in 1946) was NOT a collection, you inbred midget.\nJust because you say so lmao. Also thanks for admitting you missed the argument like the retard you are."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">Huge list of authors banned\n>Most of these (ie. Hemingway) can be easily verified\n>Focus on some obscure Irish American nobody cares about to \"own the kikes\"\n/pol/yp tactics, ladies and gentlemen\nAlways scummy and dishonest\n\nAnd yeah she was a cartoonist in 1945 apparently. Who knows why she was blacklisted? Maybe she triggered Goebbels in some way. Not really relevant."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\n>the nazis burned the Georgia College student newspaper in rallies in 1943"}, {"id": 101, "content": "Another goalpost change hahahahaha holy kekerino"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nThey are truly pathetic anon... they asked for classical literature and scientists. They got them. But let's discuss this irrelevant Irish-American novelist."}, {"id": 103, "content": "I think the nazis were better than the alternatives, and the holocaust was fake, but that doesn't mean everything they did was right."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\n>Oy Vey why did those awful nazis make me tell transparently stupid lies? This is another holocauast!"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\nIt says banned, not burned. This is your last reply."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>99\n>ban anti-state authors\nyou know most governments due this by omitting them from any formal curricula"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>88\n>he thinks Darwinism is the prevailing view of biology\nHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAA\nThis is your mind on science denying jewish mythology\n>>87\n>POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL\n???\nrent free???"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>85\nOh no his brain short-circuited..."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>23\nHemingway makes sense considering he had a hard-on for the Republicans during the Spanish Civil War"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>100\nthey burned the comic section of the Georgia College Student newspaper in PARTICULAR, chud."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>2\n\nepic bait worked"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\n>i was only pretending to be retarded"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>35\n>Nazis help America invent the atomic bomb\nlolwut"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\nIt wasn't bait, stop coping with the fact that le ebin Nazis banned Erasmus, Hemingway, Gibbon, Fitzgerald, Hume, Adam Smith,, HG Wells, Niels Bohr, Darwinist books, etc, etc.... just because there's an iffy Irish-American author on the Wikipedia list.\n\nYou can verify these individually. The Nazis were anti-intellectual chimps that destroyed the West."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>62\nThe nazis weren't even scientific racists their racism was more spiritual in essence. No scientific racist would ever suggest that Germans and Poles were a different race for instance."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\n>iffy\nlmao you really are holding to the time traveling nazi theory then?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nWhy do you hate Western civilization?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>23\nJack London's commie books were burned, kino books like Call of the Wild were kept"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>unknown\nHe wrote an essay \"How I became a Socialist\", so he was a pinko"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrom what I know, all or most of the books they burnt were books dealing with the visibilization of homosexuality, transsexualism and stuff of that nature."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>23\nGiven that 'banned books' today usually means that something is removed from a school curriculum, I'm guessing that most of these weren't actually banned in any real sense."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\n>Nazi Germany arresting people for owning a book is a the same as modern schools taking porn away from children's libraries\nThis board is fucking retarded.\n\n>>unknown\nJack London was a fucking schizo commie yeah."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>64\n>”Paul, Chandala hatred against Rome, against 'the world' become flesh and genius, the Jew, the eternal Jew par excellence.\n.. What he divined was that with the aid of the little sectarian movement on the edge of Judaism one could ignite a world conflagration', that with the symbol God on the Cross' one could sum up everything down-trodden, everything in secret revolt, the entire heritage of anarchist agitation in the Empire into a tremendous power.“\n\nnietzsche"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>unknown\n>omits all of the /pol/tard racebaiting saying that Till deserved it"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>unknown\nMost of those comments are not racist.\nYou are equating a comment that says 'whites commited more crime back then', to saying 'niggers are not human'. You are unhinged anon."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hollywood action movie is historically inaccurate\n\nOh boy I hope someone was fired for that blunder."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nI was once posted that Genghis Khan had red hair and got banned. You are delusional."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\n#BelieveAllWomen retard, bait thread gets the response it deserves"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>4\n>Samuel Clemens and Walt Whitman are le marxistjewtrannyboogeyman\ndo /pol/trannies really"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>79\nEvery single conquest of other races at the hands of whites has led up to this system. You actively celebrate homogenizing the globe through successful conquests and establishment of centralized governments."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nAll Nutt authors aren't human so yes they're trash and deserved to be burned"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The rise of Christianity is the most notorious religious coup d'etat. The first emperor of Christianity was Constantine I. He used Christianity to justify the persecution of his political opponents."}, {"id": 2, "content": "This is coming from a Christian, but we seriously need to stop pushing the Roman propaganda that Constantine was a Christian. He was born a pagan and died a pagan. The entire story about him having a vision of the cross and painting his men's shields with it is a lie, plain and simple. On his Arch in Rome that he himself had built after his victory on the battlefield you cannot find a single cross. You'd think a man who had a prophetic vision that secured him the greatest empire known to man would at least depict the source of his victory. I imagine even after claiming to be Christian and converting the Empire, Rome wouldn't see an actual Christian Emperor for another hundred years or so."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>This is coming from a Christian\nWhat denomination?\n>but we seriously need to stop pushing the Roman propaganda that Constantine was a Christian.\nCan you give an example?\n>On his Arch in Rome that he himself had built after his victory on the battlefield you cannot find a single cross.\nSo he’s spreading propaganda that he’s a pagan? You’re literally contradicting yourself. How does public monument with pagan imagery prove that someone is secretly a pagan, wouldn’t be the opposite?\n>The entire story about him having a vision of the cross and painting his men's shields with it is a lie, plain and simple.\nWhat you just said is a lie, plain and simple\n>You'd think a man who had a prophetic vision that secured him the greatest empire known to man would at least depict the source of his victory.\nSo you don’t have any examples of “Roman propaganda”"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBait post, dont respond to this guys."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nyeah bro the guy who left rome because it was dominated by pagan temples and built a gorillion churches in his new capital was aktualy not Christian\nonly /his/ is this retarded"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nChristianity is just the paganisation of Judaism"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe weak succumb to the strong. deal with it larpagan"}, {"id": 8, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIBGyJtjUeU [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nMaybe, who knows, but he made Christianity legal. Do you expect Christians to just like, not dig that?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>The weak succumb to the strong\n>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST FEED US TO LIONS"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nIf Augustus made an Arch with traditionally Republican imagery would you see it as proof that he was secretly a Republican that was merely pretending to be a monarch?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>He used Christianity to justify the persecution of his political opponents.\nExamples?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Constantines mum was more likely the product of Elen a Brittish princess who was certainly a Christian."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nConstantine did Christianity no favors by making them \"legal\", then making the proto-Orthodox convene the Council of Nicea. He got the proto-Orthodox to defy Jesus' statements about the Rich and Powerful - who had run religion only for themselves since time immemorial. His family took back total control of religion from the only religious movement that allowed commoners to have leaders and prominent people in a community of their own. Early Christianity was a hodge-podge of sects that often didn't agree with one another. The council of Nicea destroyed that counterculture which was a parallel government to the Rich and \"Noble\". The new \"Pagans\" and \"Heretics\" fled the RE, and they put their scriptures in a jar and hid them in a cave, and took the Philosophical and Mathematical texts with them when they left. Then came the religious Dark Ages, . When the latter texts were reintroduced back into Europe by the Moslems, the Renaissance happened which was a small crack in the Church's power. Then King Henry VIII decided that he wanted a divorce and the Pope wouldn't grant it, so he started the Church of England - a small crack in the Pope's authority. Then Luther wanted to have a polite and scholarly discussion about religion so he nailed some points on a church door. The result was the Lutheran State Church - another blow to the Pope's power. Then some people wanted to read the Bible in their own language and those who provided them were killed. King James I authorized a committee to create the KJV. But, when the king was Protestant the peasants were; when the Queen was Catholic, the peasants were. Then some religious dissenters, the Pilgrims, decided to leave England for Holland but found that they couldn't adapt to its alien culture, so they hired a ship, the Mayflower, to go to the New World, repeating the flight of the Heretics out of the RE. Their main problem was that they wanted religious freedom for themselves, but not for anyone else."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThe Pilgrims weren't the only colony to settle in Massachusetts. There were also the Puritans and an odd sect of \"heathens\" in Merrimount. The Pilgrims and Puritans made a military alliance to crush it because they didn't like their Maypole among other things. The two colonies left were Theocracies, and Church and State were still one entity. Then a madness broke out. Some girls heard some \"scary\" stories about witchcraft from their slave woman, then they were \"possessed\" by Ebill spirits, so they withered and jerked, and went into fits, so the good pure, innocent, and pious Puritans had so much Faith in their Omni-God's ability to protect them from the Bad witches that they immediately brought in the government and the courts to root out the Bad Ol' Deb'bil for them. Naturally, the expert witch-hunter Rev. Cotton Mather got involved, and laws were hastily rewritten to more efficiently discover the Evil doers. They invented \"spectral evidence\" to convict these victims. If convicted the \"witch's\" property was divided between the accuser and the church. One man was pressed to death because he wouldn't confess under torture, and the women were hanged. It was a shining and truly exemplary example of Christian Faith in action! To their credit, Cotton Mather, and Salem may have understood that the centuries-old practice of witch-hunting, and what they did, was wrong.\nSkipping forward, the 1st Amendment protected religions from the government's establishment of religion. But, the struggle for religious freedom didn't stop. The Mormons had to flee New York to Utah; the good Christians decided that liquor drinking was so evil they had to have a Constitutional Amendment to stop it; they tried to stop the teaching of Evolution, and succeeded; they tried to limit free speech and books that they didn't like and still don't. Alternative religions had to fight the Satanism Scare, and the Neo-Pagans and other marginal groups had to fight for their right to exist."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nI made a mistake about the Moslems introducing the texts back into Europe, but that's what I was taught."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Napoleon III's annexation of Mexico is justified, and if France had won that conflict, the Mexican society could have been more developed today."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon III didn't annex Mexico, you are a retard."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the Mexican society could have been more developed today.\nAll former french colonies are horrible"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI mean what he should have done, not what he did."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThis, it would have been the same or worse. The \"best\" French colony is fucking Algeria."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Napoleon III's annexation of Mexico is justified, and if France h-ACKCKCKCKKC\nkys LMAO\nVIVA LA REPUBLICA"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhy are Botswana, Egypt, Sudan and South Sudan not considered protectorates?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>VIVA LA REPUBLIC-ACK\nWhat a shithole"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nMexico defeated France.\nYou lost."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAtleast they have the right to paternity tests and not being overrun by engineers and doctors from Africa."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Is possible some Mexican enlisted in Purssian foreigner corp in 1871?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>gets overrun by engineers and doctors from Venezuela and central America instead\nThank you Juárez"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nLmao imagine fucking Spain in having better ex colonies than France, embarrassing"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>Mexico defeated France.\n\nIt didn't actually\nFrance conquered most of Mexico and held it until the US pressured France into leaving\n\nAmerica saved Mexico from the French"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nNice made up bullshit Pierre ibn Mohammad"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>The republicans then won a series of crippling victories\nYou forget to read that part mutt. Why are mutts always so eager to suck the dick of euros anyways lol. Imagine interfering in a internet flamewar."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo did France actually want here? It seems a bit too late in history to still be colonising."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\n>>9\n>>14\nI always wondered why Mexicans celebrate an isignificant battle they won in 1862 (cinco de mayo) even tho it was followed by four years of French occupation....then I found out it's because it's the only battle they won in that war (well, beside that one time when 3,000 mexican soldiers heroically defeated 62 foreign legion troops)."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>t.amerimutt"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nFind strange Austria get involved despite support Sardinian aggression in 1859"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nThat part doesn't contradict what I said, moron\nRead again, these victories were won against Mexican Imperial troops after the French had left, thanks to America's threats"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nNapoleon III felt bad for having humiliated Austria in 1859, so he offered to make the Austrian Emperor's brother emperor of some shithole he had randomly picked in Latin America."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>French puppets gets rekt\n>But it doens't count! We saved your asses!\nNice cope"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>France invades Mexico\n>occupies it for four year\n>then the US civil war ends\n>the US pressure France into withdrawing\n>Mexican Republicans then proceed to defeat the Mexican Imperial faction abandoned by their French overlords\n\nNo amount of dishonesty will change the fact America saved Mexico"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nThe only people who celebrate Cinco de mayo are Mexican-Americans & their WASP neighbors. It is an irrelevant day in Mexico proper."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\n>>21\n>>24\n\nAmerica always supporting the worst Mexican regimes."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon III is like Ohio version of Napoleon Bonaparte, anything about him is just abd and awful.\nThe fact that he is the reason why Vietnam war happened tells much."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>The fact that he is the reason why Vietnam war happened tells much.\n\nBut you don't understand, he really needed to spread christianity in this godforsaken jungle shithole at the other side of the world..."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">having allies is...LE BAD\n>even doe conservatives had to get help from france in the first place because they were soundly defeated in the reform war"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Traitor or patriot?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nTraitor. Killed Mexico’s first chance to be something other than Cartel Nation and retired Expat central. Second chance was the United States not wanting it become a “2nd Japan” and pumping it full of corrupt officials and funding the cartel."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nBoth him and Maximillian were freemason glowniggers who staged an entire civil war with the sole purpose of killing thousands of Catholics."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>events from 150 years ago are licherally the reason mexico is a shithole!!\nfrance wanted mexico to be its springboard for colonialism in latin america, turning all of it into algerias or worse, into haitis, considering maximilian reinstituted slavery (to try and get support from the csa. yet the more reasons the usa supported juarez)\n>>32\nhow'd you get internet grandma?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nWhat's wrong with Mexico being Blacker, huh?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nthat's not going to work on me anon"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nWhat painting is that?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>8\n>>31\n>NOOO IF ONLY WHITE PEOPLE WERE IN CHARGE OF MY COUNTRY\n>I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WIPE MY ASS AND MY SKIN COLOR WOULD MAGICALLY CHANGE\nyou make this thread every single week, mexitranny. Even if Mexico were a first world nation, you would still be a town mestizo and white people would still hate you. Get shot to death you self hating race traitor faggots\n>>14\nThe French occupied ports near Veracruz and the rest of Mexico was just as lawless and unstable as it was before frogs arrived. Why are you so dishonest?\n>>30\nSingle handedly saved his country. \"I hate myself for being brown and not Iberian therefore Juarez le bad\" is basically the only argument against him that you'll hear from hispanchitos."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nbased"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\n>how'd you get internet grandma?\nIs this the new shill line?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>6\n>>33\n>>35\nToo bad that never happened."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>>40\nstop watching the nopal news grandma, genetic tests confirmed maximilian's remains are in austria"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nHow do YOU know that those tests were legitimate?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\nI don't understand this mental illness."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nDisgusting indio. Only disgusting indios worship Cortes and Maximilian."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>unknown\nDo you really expect anyone to believe that some faggot pining for pre-Republic Mexico ISN'T some seething revanchist faggot from within the country?\n\nNeither whites, nor ANYONE for that matter, cares this much about the French invasion of Mexico."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>some seething revanchist faggot\nMed, anon"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nwow youre so right, (((((((theyre)))) le manipulating le tests because... uh.... why again?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>30\nAn inspiration to all manlets around the world.\nBut also half and half. More a patriot than traitor anyway. And I don't give two shits about the natives.\n>>31\n> It become a “2nd Japan” and pumping it full of corrupt officials and funding the cartel.\nSource and explain.\n>>34\nIt probably wouldn't be much whiter as a French puppet.\n>>1 (OP)\ndoubtful, but maybe.\n>>37\nI'm glad I don't have to deal with regular Mexican identity spergery."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>And I don't give two shits about the natives.\ndont worry, neither did juarez\n>Source and explain.\n\"porfiriato mexico was le rich but robolucionarios had to ruin it!!!!\""}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nWe have a Cuban shitskin who LARPs as a conquistador on this board and a Mexican from Durango who claims the Spanish empire was literally Wakanda.\n\nThe cards are stacked against you here."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>because... uh.... why again?\nTo cover up their staged \"civil war\"."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nah yes, that makes so much more sense. want a cyanide pill?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nNo, I don't pop pills. Anyways, only a retard would think that such a pointless war wasn't a staged conflict."}, {"id": 54, "content": "Mexico and its history are repulsive, as repulsive as the average Mexican. A race of wallhoppers who only know how to prostitute their women, commit crimes or be slave labor. The Mexican is the perfect slave, because they are also fats vicious to globohomo products.\nThere is no country in the world as horrid as Mexico, the people is horrible, the society is horrible, they have all the defects of other Latinx societies and the defects of the US, but they are also physically phenotypic debris."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nWhy do they look like this?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nTldr\n/pol/tranny rambling"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>Tldr\n>/pol/tranny rambling"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nThey are genetic waste"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">makes a thread about le glorious chance Mexico had at a white ethnostate\n>spergs out and posts racebait after being called a loser by other beaners\nNever change, hispanchitos."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nIt would be a Kangdom filled with Haitians. You’re just a coping shitskin."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n/pol/tranny cope. go flip a tortilla Jose. You will never be spanish"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nYou are genetically trash, you will never be a developed country, you will always be a vassal of America."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nIt'd be an empire of Mexico that was filled with Mexicans idk why you have to bring Haitian into it. Unless you are playing the emotional value game."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nMexicans are too damn lazy. The French would have to import Haitian bucks to work the farms."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you see God is still good in the book of Job even though he had Job's family killed, he gave Job a new family\nWTF kind of logic is this. If I were Job I'd be forever denouncing the diety that murdered my family. I wouldn't give a shit if it decided to gift me a new family. A family is not like a fucking pet that you just get a new one after it dies. What an incredibly fucked up story with dogshit morals."}, {"id": 2, "content": "How do you know that Job didn't know his family went to heaven? Also the story is about why humans shouldn't question God's motives because he operates on a different level which we can't understand."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's called Job because he jobs. It's a wrestling metaphor, same as the Israel thing.\nt. knower"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOld Testament God is legitimately a fucking psycho; obviously a Hebrew War God fit for a Bronze Age of violence and conquest. No wonder some Christian spin offs think he's a Demon lol"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>How do you know that Job didn't know his family went to heaven?\nBecause the story doesn't say so.\n>Also the story is about why humans shouldn't question God's motives because he operates on a different level which we can't understand.\nSo its ok for God to make bets with the literal symbol of evil to ruin a man's life and have his family killed? Pure evil diety bullshit. If it were a pagan god doing this kind of fucked thing, Christians would rightfully call it evil"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nthe christian god was very clearly motivated by satan's challenge and wounded pride."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\n>Muh bet\n>Imagine not understanding that the story was supposed to raise doubts over God's decision ability to prove exactly the point that you can't understand God's action at face value\n>Imagine still thinking God did it out of mere bet and it's not the entire point to not trying to understand the actions of a infinitely higher being\nMidwits"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>I’m gonna make a decision that’s so stupid and evil that it’s a 200IQ power move and YOU’RE stupid if you qu-ACK!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nImagine being esl.\n\nOh wait..."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThats not a valid argument Midwit.\n>>9\n>Esl\nIt's not good of a own you think it is when you realise mutts are the largest English speaking population on Earth."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>it's not good of a own you think it is\nOh my esl."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nDont go all fag on me mutt. Your country is gonna be ESL in a generation anyways.Any other cope before I take the concession?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Don't go fag mode on me, mutt. In any case, your country is going to become esl in a single generation. Any other cope before I accept your concession?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nConcession accepted. See ya later Paco."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI always supposed God resurrected his old family."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nWhy do you think it is based to worship a jew raised by a cuck?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nHasatan of Job 1-2 is not the same thing as the modern notion of the devil. It means \"adversary\", and should be thought of like a divine prosecutor. He is a servant of God, not in opposition to him. It is not, I think, a correct reading to view the wager as central to the reason why God allows job to continue to suffer. The purpose of the prologue is to hammer the point that job is utterly righteous, and is not suffering because of his sin like the 3 friends repeatedly say. Note that after job refuses to curse God in job 2, God won the bet, yet his suffering is not reversed until much later, and hasatan is never mentioned again, not in God'slong speech to job, and nlt in the epilogue when job is partially restored. So clearly there is more going on than just the wager."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nNo, it is explicitly stated that he has new children. Which doubtlessly in antiquity when having children die was a near universal experience, would have been much more relatable. I'm sure the ancients were far more aware than us that subsequent children will never just fill a void left by those that died. Also note that job's disfiguring skin condition is not mentioned in his restoration, meaning presumably that he was not healed of it. So some elements of his trial will remain with him for the rest of his life, perhaps reinforcing the theme of the inscrutability of divine knowledge."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>yet another person who never read the book of Job having lots of loud opinions about it\nmany such cases"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSounds like you haven't read it schlomo"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDemiurge"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\n>You cant understand\nI can understand perfectly. I recognize schizo when I see it"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if I were Job I would hate God and choose hell\n...okay? What do you want us to tell you?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>worshipping a god who murdered your family and made your life a living hell to win a bet\nYou sound like a battered housewife"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>wtf kind of logic is this.\nJob isn’t worshiping a deity. He is staying true to the only one and true living God. He knows it isn’t God which does this to him but the devil/Satan.\n>if I were job\nDude, you will never be him, stop dreaming. You have the mental capacity of a teenager who watches dbz and thinks it is badass. They always argued too much.\n>new family\nMore than this happened in Job’s persecution. Job actually got to speak with God and tell God everything he desires while Satan showed job that his only 3 friends would turn on him and that likely means the family members that died from the roof collapsing in on them didn’t believe in God by faith, but we’re only there because Job is family. Or They may have wanted to stay in heaven and rejected the resurrection, but this would leave job with missing members of his family. God had to make up for it and give Job everything back. When God brought blessings upon Job’s house multiplying what he had before it only made him happier than he ever was.\nNevertheless there is a resurrection of the dead, God doesn’t view it like “we can just resurrect them”, God doesn’t torture or kill people for fun, but God can and will use it like that if He has to. Satan only gets a foot in the door when people let him and they don’t take upon God’s righteousness through His grace by faith theirself with the breastplate of righteousness. As the scriptures say, wear the whole armor of God. One of those is a pure heart!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89zkUZPd5w [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nI refuse to believe this isn't a troll pretending to be a Christian."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nThe mental gymnastics god damn"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>had Job's family killed\nNeed to crack some eggs to make an omlette.\n\nI'm surprised how this story continues to over people's heads.\nThe devil challenges god, saying that Job doesn't actually love him, he just loves the gifts that god bestows upon him. Take away the gibs and Job will curse his name\nGod says alright, let's see. Uses the test method like any reasonable agent.\nTurns out the devil was wrong, Job truly loved god, even when going through all this shit. God didn't want to give him back a zombie family so he gave him a hot new wife instead.\n\nAlso if you are non-religious you can replace the word god with life. If you only like living when things are going good then you do not love life. You need to also be able to endure through all the shit that is inevitably gonna aspire in order to be truly happy. That's the moral of the story."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYeah that's totally reasonable for an omniscient being to inflict grievous suffering and murder innocents as part of a test, the result of which he already knows."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThere is no afterlife in that story, at that time no afterlife was mentioned in judaism, all living things are gods creatures, so god has complete control and authority over them\nBasicaly god can do whatever\nAll living things are just so much dirt god animates at will into a creature of whichever kind\nSo job just submits as a obedient creature, andis awarded for it\nBasicaly nothing was lost, god can whipe people out and make more at will same as a kid playing with sand"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n\nYes, its a fucking story, a story from a time when a father could have his wife and kids killed if they dissobey or shame the family, its not like they had a complex phylosophy of ethics"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nDon't overvalue yourself. We are like ants to him."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\nI hate posters like this.\n>>27\nI also hate posters like this.\n>>Back to Thread\nThe sword of the frog in chrono trigger was called the Muramasa. I remember now because the Murokumo in Dark Souls 3. I looked up what their words mean. Murokumo means Cloud rain. Muramasa means village, hamlet. Muramasa was named in chrono trigger after a famous sword smith who created a heavy long katana that got nicknamed “wicked katana”. This is cool information because Jesus Christ was famous for coming from Jerusalem and he would tell the storms and the lightning and the rain to peace be still.\nBilly Graham speech gets a huge applaus for saying Jesus Christ is a world religion and that he had dark skin.\nhe trying too hard to please everyone imo\nJesus Christ said Heaven is about white hair and bright skin like brass. Hard to be black when you glowing like God!\nLike brass when it glows white hot in a furnace.\nI don’t blame Billy Graham for being wrong but he is.\nhe got lots of black people obsessed with black Jesus by that statement."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI think of Jesus in heaven like angels preserving his body for eternity so up there they cover his hands and feet in dust of diamonds until it turns into diamond like this pic. He def not normal up there. He might take it all off and be his humble self when he comes down, but not up there or when he means srs bzns."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a different time back then, children were seen as property of their fathers. People would have seen it the same as breaking a table or something, as long as you got a new one it was fine."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\n>no afterlife was ever mentioned\n>What is the ark of the flood?\n>What is Adam and Eve and their children after the fall? (Weren’t they already dead?)\n>What is Abraham and Sarah not capable of conceiving children and getting upset with God that He might have lied that they would have children?\n>what is the generation of Moses and Jesus? (who was killed when Pharoah and Herod [Satan] ordered infants to be slaughtered of God’s people for having been born at the same time as God’s son?)\n>Who was Cain and why did his son repent and where did he go? (He was taken to God)"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo me this book is the best part of the bible, it gives me a lot of consolation"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nThe main thing people need to be looking at when they read the Old Testament is what the gentiles were fucking doing instead of the Jews. They get mad when God punishes the Jews for disobedience, or when gentiles are punished for being in the Jew’s way when they actually obey.\nWhat were gentiles doing? They were either living far off somewhere else on the planet being retarded, or they were neighbors with the Jews and they would send either friends or enemies like when Goliath was apparently a Goggite ancestor who was probably genetically selected by Russians by breeding people who still had giant genes of nephalim with others like when america black slavers used to breed negros for being better athletes for picking cotton. So they literally sent this giant into Israel and were like hey what’s up n00bz I’m about to keel yo fucking ass to prove your God isn’t real. Come at me bruh. So they were like omg wtf and God reacted with a shepherd boy named David.\nAs long as gentiles aren’t being like the fucking Biden crime syndicate trying to breed nephalims to go attack God’s people they are fine. You can be sure God isn’t fucking with you if you just believe in Him. I don’t get why people wanted Jews to not have God allow Satan to torture them when they were living in luxury like Pharoah of Egypt."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nJob was royalty. He was EXTREMELY wealthy for a man in ancient times. He likely has access to Egyptian pyramids , armies of slaves, and lots of cattle and resources and much more. God just wants us to not lose sight of Him when we are given much. It is about not being unthankful."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nCouple this with what Jesus said that you cannot have any money at all and you must give up status and power and take up your own cross and follow him if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ to be saved. This gospel was no different in Job’s time. Job must die for sinning by owning so much money and power (slaves). Unless he thanks God for it, it will be taken away. He went through persecution so that Satan could not accuse him that “he will turn on you God if you just let me torture him.” Job did turn on God by arguing with God but he did not stop believing in God."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>10\n>puerile insults and deflections\n\nAll your left with when trying to defend the ramblings of Bronze Age retards"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>32\n>We are like ants to him\nGod is acting like how a human would, to figure something out"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>7\nimagine being such a bootlicker as to make excuses for that particular story."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\nWhat are you smoking. This is the worst book from the bible and that's saying something."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God killed Job's family\nWhy do you keep parroting this? It is plainly stated Satan killed Job's family."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nwith gawd's explicit permission Job 1:12. also, it takes a real midwit to think you can have an omnipotent, omniscient entity and anyone not him responsible for anything."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>16\n(((They))) are descendants of the ph*risees and they hate Jesus so much they blaspheme His Holy Name daily like you just did. That should be reason enough, but there are others. Don't fall for their tricks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">killed more Russians than the Germans during World War II\n\nBut it’s communism so it’s based."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot true btw"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSolid post comrade. No gulag for you."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho did Stalin kill?\n>Trotskyites\n>Fifth Columnists\n>Nazis\n\nOk and? The Gulags were just normal for the time as forced penial labor was universal across the world. The famines in the 30s were caused by droughts and industrialization and impacted Russians, Kazakhs, and Ukrainians. The \"Great Purges\" only affected local party elites, the intelligentsia, and corrupt officials. We need a Stalin in America to fix our country."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russian man dies fighting Germans\n>Stalin did this!\nTake your medicine"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n> The famines in the 30s were caused by droughts and industrialization and impacted Russians, Kazakhs, and Ukrainians.\n\nLel"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nRead Mark Tauger and Grover Furr."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course russians worship this guy. You have to understand that russians are slaves, spineless cowards who never had the guts to stand up for truth, justice or liberty. Like a battered wife going 'he wuz a gud man'"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWe worship him because without Ioseb we would be run by the Austrian pederist crossdressing degenerates like Rohm and Gitler."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe should've killed all Germans in his occupation zone."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsounds pretty based to me"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThis is called bad acting."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with\"\n>Sells germany the resources it uses to invade the ussr"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\nThere were no gulags, there was only one gulag because it's this administrative entity that was managing the whole net of lagiers.\nIt's Глaвнoe yпpaвлeниe иcпpaвитeльнo-тpyдoвых лaгepeй и кoлoний (Gławnoje uprawlenije isprawitielno-trudowych łagieriej i kolonij) meaning \"Directorate of Camps and Labour Colonies\". But that's just one name under which this soviet shit was known."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish I had a hairline like Stalin :("}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nno one besides deranged tankies take furr seriously. he's literally a member of the stalin society where members devote their time whitewashing his crimes\nhow they ended up that way, i seriously don't know"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>famines were caused by industrialization\nyeah. the retard exported grain to pay for industrialization as ukrainians starved. With ukrainians suffering the brunt since they were the russian bread basket. Same exact thing happened in the great leap forward where most deaths were farmers. Also doesnt help that his collectivization of farms were a disaster to food productivity, just like in china.\nIf we can blame the great chinese famine om Mao we can definitely blame the holodomor on stalin.\n>The \"Great Purges\" only affected local party elites, the intelligentsia, and corrupt officials\nnow youre just taking the piss.\n>>7\n>read furr\ni prefer my history without blatant propaganda. This is a delusional tankie who claims that stalin has never done anything wrong in his entire life."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Eastern Orthodoxy so much more chill and less retarded than C*tholicism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing an Eastern Rite it is uncucked by western liberalism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>more chill and less retarded"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am Orthodox and I know many good Catholics. Their delusions on certain dogmatic points should not make you hate them. They are our brothers who can return to the Apostolic Church and we must strive with all our efforts for this, and not offend them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBoth EO and Catholicism have their pros and cons:\n\nEO:\n>Strong mystical and contemplative tradition\n>Art is not excellent but it's generally good\n>better theologians\n>historically less corrupted, but this sadly seems to be changing in the last years.\n\nCatholicism:\n>More progressive and less infested by chuds\n>Better Church unity and structure\n>Art is variable: It can go from terrible to perfect\n>lithurgy is far more approachable by the common person\n>historically more corrupted but it seems to be changing in the last decades."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>EO\nYou forgot\n>No Pope\n>No enforced infallibility\n>No heresies\n>Guidance of the Holy Spirit\nIt’s not like it’s an aesthetic choice"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey know clearly that they are jews instead of trying to cope that they are romans who are christian (romans killed christians).\n\nLook at orthodox art, clear middle eastern trash with no influence from european artistry. Their priestly clothes look exactly like rabbi priestly clothes.\n\nThe fact that they accept the fact that they are wannabe jews who want to expand the middle eastern races because thats where jews come from makes them less schizo than \"We wuz romans but we wuz also christians we must increase the roman army with devout christians from africa\"."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>*\nAre you some kind of bot avoiding a word filter or something?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWhats wrong with that picture anon?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Why don't EO use pews or chairs? Where do old people sit?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Christianity\n:/\n>Christianity but men dressed as nuns\n:0"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nTo an orthodox christian, aka a person who is clearly trying to expand middle eastern races, there is nothing wrong with it. Thats what Im saying."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nSome churches use pews, it depends on how Anglo it is. For the ones that don’t, chairs are still around the edge for old people to sit."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Do not be mismatched with unbelievers; for what do righteousness and lawlessness share together, or what does light have in common with darkness? (2 Cor 6:14)\nIncredible that Kirill feels comfortable expressing such a sentiment given the above quotation from scripture. I can't help but feel it's at total odds with what prior patriarchs would have said on the subject. It does rather make me wonder if the only reason he's saying these things is because he affirms Putin in everything, and Putin wants Russia to embrace its Muslim residents for the sake of secular unity."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>for what do righteousness and lawlessness share together\nWell if I had a pedo for a neighboor it would be easier to kill him in lawless lands rather than lawful lands. Then again christians are notorious pedos so maybe that doesnt count as righteousness for them."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\n>Their priestly clothes look exactly like rabbi priestly clothes.\npic related"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nSquirtle on the left, Blastoise on the right"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nrabbi on the left, christ-rabbi on the right."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNow that’s good. Eastern Orthodox are definitely the closest Christians to Rabbinic Jews\n>middle eastern or eastern european\n>tribal\n>warm culture of camaraderie within the tribe\n>not a lot of missionary activity\n>works-based, performative religion\nOnly difference is the whole thing is Christ-soaked and therefore sanctified"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>again christians are notorious pedos\nChild abuse is obscene and the fact that it is going on in churches is particularly obscene. These are holy places and people have every right to expect a higher standard of conduct. In fact, they must demand it and go to lengths to ensure it is so. Christ said that anyone who caused a child to stumble would be better off having never been born... that it would be better for them to have had a weight put around their neck and cast into the ocean."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nAll this goes to show that they ought to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law regardless of their position within the Church."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ottoman slaves and KGB mouthpieces are le epic because they look like wizards and don't like the pope!\nt. Amerimutt former protestant now converthodox"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>4\n>Being a schismatic\n>Uh actually you're deluded\nYeah okay"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe rootless Amerimutt strikes again. You will NEVER be Russian."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">heh fellow orthodogs, why are those papists so retarded and stupid?\n>Why does this board hate Orthodox people so much??? :("}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nPapism is self-evidently absurd"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Papism is self-evidently a-ACKKKK SAVE ME ROME ACKCKCKCKCKKCKCKCKK"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThat’s disgusting"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\n>historically less corrupted\nYou need to read more history lol"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nwhy include justin welby? the cucked church of england guy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nDo enlighten us"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this what Slavs tell themselves to cope when they get conscripted for the meme war in Ukraine?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nDisrespectful to dying Christians"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nWho cares? Any amount of dead vodka niggers is a win in my book. I don’t care which flag they fly. I wanna see them bury eachother so I can read about it and feel good when I’m listening to NPR while I take my morning shit."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>Who cares? Any amount of dead vodka niggers is a win in my book\nMaybe God - I’m not sure"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholicism is all about the rituals and traditions of men, the Holy Spirit is not there. Even as instructed via scripture, leave out the vain repetitions while praying. Catholicism could be argued as a major control tool based upon vain repetitions.\n\nNot catholic anymore for good reason - they don't teach scripture purposely to keep you in a cage. Read the bible for yourself and you quickly see how much Catholicism differs from what Christ taught during his ministry on earth."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>god\nConvenient that he happens to care about the particular values that you have as a byproduct of modernity. It’s a good thing that the god we ended up with isn’t like how humans were before we developed broader social contracts, which is the vast majority of time that we’ve been here"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ah, Crito - you see, the tower is not small, it is merely further away."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>23\npic debunks itself with the single most cucked bishop in the world: \"bishop\" of Canterbury\n\nLatins just love posting Ls"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>4\nWord.\nThe world won't be right until we are all one church again. There's far more to agree on with Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and maybe Anglicans and Methodists than others. But that would be a good start. If the Vatican hadn't announced Papal Infallibity, we'd probably be on the brink of a unified East and West, as it is."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nNegative. Filioque is the big hitter. Has been always will be, even if the RCC goes back to a synodal system.\n\nNon-chalcedonians are probably the closest in terms of praxis. Anglicans and Methodists are not even in the same world anymore. For about 50 years they might have been walking towards a \"Western Orthodoxy\" but that passed over a century ago."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nIt can be pretty bleak especially with Episcopals and the \"United Methodists\", but there's a lot of traditional Wesleyan types that I had in mind. As for Anglican, NT Wright might be the minority for now, but he's gotten a lot of the Protestant world inadvertently on to a more Orthodox outlook of the New Testament and how St. Paul has been misunderstood about faith (especially how Luther interpreted it)."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nI mean.... ACNA lists Billy Graham as a saint per the 2019 BCP. The Anglo-Catholics are too proud to come under the Omophorion of an Eastern Orthodox Bishop because they fear the idea of submitting to a historical Church that isn't anglo.\n\nAnglo/Methodist world has not cultivated the humility required to be reconciled back into the Holy Church, and with every passing year that continue to lack it. It doesn't matter if Anglo/Methodist scholars have \"discovered\" icons and Eastern theology.\n\nThe Church of England has Orthodox icons in almost every parish in the UK now and most of the \"ministers\" are familiar with Kallistos Ware and the Philokalia. And yet very few (almost none) are moved to submit themselves to the Apostles. I don't mean to burst your bubble friend, but the reality is that Prot/RCC world is moving farther away on dogma despite adopting what they think is \"cute and foreign\" about the Holy Church.\n\nI say this with all sadness because I don't want people to be outside the ark."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nI don't mean the icons though.\nI mean the proper understanding of the implications of Resurrection, proper balance of faith and works, and even in Wesley's case, some semblance of theosis. Even on the Resurrection, I dare say they're closer to Orthodox than Roman Catholics, who seemingly place the Crucifixion and legalistic judgement and suffering as central to their theology over the Resurrection. There's a reason why Mel Gibson has struggled so hard to make a sequel to the Passion.\n\nI don't mean to paint too rosy a picture though. All your points are taken well."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLess bureaucratic maybe.\n\nt. Anglican"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nThose are things I admire about Roman Catholics the most. The institutional efficiency. If the Vatican says something, it's issued out in a hundred languages to the faithful instantly. There's hospitals and schools galore spread across the world. Their mission work is frankly unparalleled."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nBilly Graham is not a saint.\nHe's just somebody observed.\n\nCharles I of England for example is a martyr rather than a saint.\n\nI noticed Billy Graham's name in a recent bulletin."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nNot any hospitals left here.\nThey folded in the face of Obamacare."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nDo Anglicans even have canonized saints (post Roman Catholicism, I mean)?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nThere's still some big ones here. Along with a bunch of schools. Even a Catholic bank last I checked. And Catholic life insurance. These people don't play around."}, {"id": 51, "content": "Agnostic bro here. Was wondering what the difference is between Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christianity? At the end of the day I believe they’re both flavors of heretical Jewish Mysticism, but want to know the difference between the two. The only thing I know about them is that Oriental rejects the Council of Chalcedon while the Eastern rite doesn’t. Also what’s the difference between Russian and Greek orthos as well as Coptic / Ethiopian?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nDifferent number of Biblical books apparently."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nOrientals refuse to accept the Council of Chalcedon (the 4th Ecumenical Council) and do not accept any of the councils that follow it (5th, 6th, 7th, Palamite Councils, Council of Jerusalem, etc.)\n\nThey look Eastern but they are schismatic and borrow from all different theological sources, often including Roman theology. Decent playlist if you decide to truly investigate this stuff:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3QQ7jHr1GrTO3WLauMBQ6kbTEphu2rHg\n\nOrientals are wonderful people though. Love Egyptians, Armenians, Ethiopians etc. and I hope they submit to the Church again."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\n>>52\nThe irony is that Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah) has gnostic origins. Which is a heresy in Christianity. Jews hate Christians so much they'll embrace gnosticism before the Church. Families would rather their Jewish kids come home and say they're atheists than say that they found Jesus. That's the true reality of everyday life between Jews and Christians. Not this meme reality that /pol/ trannies invented.\nThat said, Oriental Orthodox are also known as monophysites. They were declared heretics for proclaiming that Christ is one nature (a blend of man and God), and an altogether unique creature, rather than two natures who can be the bridge to both."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\nIt's mostly just a popularity contest.\n\nLiberal and in the Episcopal Church? Martin Luther King\nTrad ACNA? Billy Graham\n\n(Meanwhile both those people would reject the fundamentals of Anglican dogma from Cranmer & friends)\n\n>>47\n\"...is a martyr rather than a saint.\"\n\nThis comment really exposes itself in the most profound way. Nothing needs to be added."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>>54\nThanks for the info guys. If you have a chart of eastern and oriental churches I’d appreciate it, since I don’t know the difference between which are EO and which are OO. Anyways aren’t Greek and Russian the most common EO churches (or like, the biggest)? Is there a difference between these two or are they the same but with different languages? Do you prefer one over the other? I’ve thought that these two had some conflict for some reason, maybe I’m wrong.\n\nBy the way I feel like Greek orthodoxy sounds more true than Russian for some reason, maybe because of the NT bible being written in Greek"}, {"id": 57, "content": "Catholics and Orthodox are too often spokespeople for evil rulers."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">Eastern Orthodoxy so much more chill and less retarded than C*tholicism?\nI actually chuckled, thanks op"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nAnyone can be often a spokesperson for evil rulers, no matter religion or denomination. There have been corrupt rulers who have professed all kinds of faiths, it’s not exclusive to one belief"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nTo keep it simple:\n\nEastern Orthodox & Catholic Church\n\nAncient Patriarchs:\n\n1. Constantinople (Greek)\n2. Antioch\n3. Jerusalem\n4. Alexandria\n\nModern Patriarchs:\n5. Russian Orthodox Church\n6. Serbian Orthodox Church\n7. Romanian Orthodox Church\n8. Bulgarian Orthodox Church\n9. Orthodox Church of Georgia\n\nThen you have Autocephalous Archbishoprics, such as: Orthodox Church of Cyprus, Orthodox Church of Greece, Orthodox Church of Poland, etc. etc.\n\nIf you are American or English, any Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox (Moscow or ROCOR), Antiochian Orthodox or Orthodox Church of America (OCA, and all its dioceses of Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, etc.) are canonical. In England the Romanians have a huge presence\n\nYes, the Greek Orthodox Church (Constantinople) still sings the Divine Liturgy in Koine Greek and most of their Bishops are fluent in Ancient and Modern Greek. (Basically maintaining Koine fluency).\n\nSaint Anthony's Greek Orthodox Monastery in Arizona celebrating the Divine Liturgy on Lazarus Saturday in Ancient Greek: https://youtu.be/3L75XdwL9rw [Embed]"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>55\nYou can't add anything because you're a dumb ass.\n\nWhat miracles did Charles I perform?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nDo you know how the Apostles and the earliest disciples used the terms \"martyr\" and \"saint\"? Look up how St. John Chrysostom and St. Cyril of Alexandria speak of the terms μάρτυς and ἅγιος.\n\nDo you know what King Edward of England was called after his death? Saint Edward, the MARTYR. Martyrs are saints..... And shocking fact, the English Christians venerated the bones of Saint Edward and built Churches upon the relics of their saints just like the Greeks, Alexandrians, and the Christians in Jerusalem. Anglicans don't do this."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nIt's best to pay more attention to the average person and family. At least for me. I don't dislike Catholics because most that I actually know are decent and would give the shirt off their back. I don't need to pay attention to rulers or corrupt Borgia popes. Not that those aren't important (or interesting, especially on a history board), but it's not really practical in how I deal with people."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nI’ve heard that Greek and Russian Orthodox branches are different. are they only different in language or are they in schism? By the way thanks for the details. I also wonder if the Russian and Greek churches are pozzed or not. I don’t really know which of these two churches is better to be fair"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nGreeks and Russians are both Orthodox in teaching, and both are highly influenced by each other's saints and teachers at this point. Just some different local traditions and language, at the most, but all the same broad traditions."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThank you for clearing things up for me fren :D"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>53\nI’m not good with branches but would you care to explain this chart and why it looks like the Oriental and Nesorian churches are first? I don’t disagree with what you are saying though, just that for some reason this chart looks as if they were first and the EO broke into different fragments (I know they are different languages though)"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>less retarded\nhow can there be gradations within the absolute retardation that is abrahamism?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEastern Catholicism is the way to go."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nAnother stupid and wrong chart."}, {"id": 71, "content": "https://youtu.be/mDpXchPd0_c [Embed]"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\n>Eastern Catholicism is the way to go.\nThey are even more ethnicity-attached than the orthodox churches."}, {"id": 73, "content": "Reminder that Saint Paisios prophecied the covid \"vaccine\" many years before covid happened and he said it would be a forerunner of the mark of the beast"}, {"id": 74, "content": "Fr. Savvas Agioritis did an exorcism on someone who became possessed by a demon after getting the covid vaccine. The demon confessed that the vaccine was created in a Masonic ritual and it has demons inside it."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>Saint Paisios\n2 weeks until you kill 1/3rd of Turks, 2 more weeks!"}, {"id": 76, "content": "Pope Francis is an Antichrist false prophet.\n>connections with US Democratic party\n>supports homosexualism\n>praises feminism and socialism\n>supports the covid \"vaccine\"\n>supports the great reset and New World Order (he literally said that explicitly)\n>promotes a one world religion with Jews and Muslims"}, {"id": 77, "content": "The essence/energies distinction in Orthodoxy makes a lot more sense than the Absolute Divine Simplicity of the papists."}, {"id": 78, "content": "It is interesting how accurate Fr. Seraphim Rose's prediction about \"aliens\" and \"UFOs\" was.\nWe can see the demonic agenda in the 2016 film Arrival for example, just like he said. It's about creating a one world government."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nI was still kinda an atheist when the covid shit began.\n\nBack then, a local Baptist preacher at least stood on the roof of his church to preach if the congregation was inside together.\n\nI look back through the documentation of the local Roman diocese and they had the churches closed."}, {"id": 80, "content": "Isn't Orthodoxy just a loophole for Catholics to get married?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>74\n>there are retards who actually believe in this"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nNo. They have a lot of theological and epistemological differences."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>64\nRussian is generally the most conservative and least pozzed.\nGreek and Antiochian are generally the most liberal and pozzed.\nBut these are generalizations you understand. Fr. Peter Heers is a Greek Orthodox priest and he is very conservative."}, {"id": 84, "content": "What's with the cosplay? Why do they play dressup?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>74\nhow do they get the demons into the vaccine? funnels?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>74\nMore like fr fr Savvas Agioritis amirite"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>7\nNot real EO, or they would sleep with their heads towards the holiest of holies, instead of their feet."}, {"id": 88, "content": "At least they don't believe this universe's cause died on a cross 2000 years ago"}, {"id": 89, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/live/VkY7VxOrlKU?feature=share"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I forgot, why do we hate communism again?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause American rightoids somehow believe Liberal “Woke” types are Marxist-leninists or some shit. It’s like when lefties call some libertarian a Nazi, it’s just low-iq plus political brainrot and American black/white mindset. Unironically your avg Soviet citizen probably would relate far more to some rural American redneck than some liberal/Bernie style socialist."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Westerners were convinced to turn firmly against communism when communists and left generally started berating the West over colonialism.\n\nAt first, this might have seemed like just a principled application of ideology to a wider sphere, but once communists started flirting with Third World nationalisms, Westerners started to see hypocrisy there, and one directed and weaponised squarely at them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate that they killed or exiled anybody slightly interesting from the old Russian Empire, and don't want the same thing to happen to another people in another place."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause you had to ask for permission from some bureaucrat mammy if you just wanted to have a vacation in another state. Racist liberalism is the most successful ideology in history; communism is already defunct."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s an inhuman ideology made for midwits trying to fight human nature to establish an impossible utopian ideal where all ownership and capital will be abolished.\n\nIt is a ludicrous and ridiculous proposition.\n\nWhat makes it worse is that communists openly state in their texts that they want to accomplish this by force and undermining every other system. THEREFORE, all communists in our nations can be assumed to be working in bad faith. Therefore they are free game for elimination."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nWay to generate false interest by responding to your own posts you sneaky little faggot.\n\nThese strawmen will not work.\n\nWe have read your texts, studied your theories, and we have found them lacking.\n\nYou must be eliminated."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nYou're brown"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause failsons posting on 4chud are scared that the commies will take their dad's jet-ski dealereship away and they would need to work for a living"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>You're brown"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nOh no! And comrade Mao promised you that the third world masses would rise up and avenge your dead ideology!\n\nWhoops! Looks like we’re all right wing extremists!\n\nNow comrade, face the wall and sing the first verse to the internationale…. this should tank take long *cocks gun behind your head*"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntroons who just want free HRT and bottom surgery. nah, I'm good"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWait you're actually brown? Lmao."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Whoops! Looks like we’re all right wing extremists!\nrookie leftist mistake, just like modern left now believes Muslims will come to support them. Lets see what eill be the results, lmao."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYes, and I’m a one man anticomintern pact"}, {"id": 17, "content": "it's kind of hilarious how trannies worship thew chinks while screeching fascist at right leaning liberals. China is like the textbook definition of fascist. Private corporations (that have to answer to the state of course), stock market, fiercely nationalistic and totalitarian. Lefitsts in the west are just really low IQ spiteful mutants that dont understand anything about how anything works. They just like to destroy shit because they dont have the intelligence or talent to actually build anything. They even destroy their own genitals. Some real sick puppies"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.\n\n-George Orwell\n\nSomething’s never change haha, leftism has always been a cesspit of decrepit freaks and genetic dead ends."}, {"id": 19, "content": "It's bourgeois children afraid of the masses overthrowing them."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nwhat are you talking about chud? this is cream of the crop of what the west's son and daughters have to offer the world"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nLMAO at the alien in row one\n\nHoly fuck what a bunch of ugly faggots"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\nNguyen, why do you pretend that your presence in a white western country isn't seen as a product of Marxist subversion? Go back to your sweatshop."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nOpen borders are a neoliberal plot"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt's a completely incoherent political philosophy, and it's utterly oppressive and murderous. You can't get people to stop trading. You can't suppress human activity and freedom to the extent that communism does. You can't stamp out belief in God that shaped culture for so long and replace it with the state and expect a culture to just happen. You can't kill qualified farmers and replace them with distant cousins of party members and not expect mass famine. You can't prevent some amount of hierarchy and/or inequality from developing. It's just the nature of humanity while it resides on this rock and man is mortal. Lastly, Communism's entire pretext for existing is to fight against greedy industrialists and what not and views history only as a matter of oppressors vs victims, but it royally facefucks itself with the utmost irony when they take over a country and become literal kings lording over dirt poor peasants.\n\nWe get it, you hate anyone who is even moderately successful so you have to tear them down instead of applying yourself in any way. Your sin is envy."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\n>when communists and left generally started berating the West over colonialism.\nThe west hated communism way before communists started funding anti-colonial movements."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\nThanks for confirming your shitskin status. Were you expecting me to sympathize with your subhuman lot? Did you think I was a \"third worldist\"?\nThird worlders are also overwhelmingly homosexual and like to prey on young boys. Bacha bazi and all that.\nShoot all homosexuals and fascism will disappear, as a wise man said"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's pseudoscientific bullshit based on a 19th century NEETs inaccurate understanding of history. Marxism should be in the same dustbin as phrenology, but for some reason there's still plenty of marxist apologists infesting academia."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nYep. Now go back, and take your disgusting subhuman family with you too. Now, or we'll shoot"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>11\nmuh trannies"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>>29\nstfu dicklless troon"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWhy are you obsessed with mentally ill homosexuals anon?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>Turd worlder bacha bazi enthusiast calling others troons\nWhen did you turn gay? When your uncle raped you when you were 3? Of course, it's just a tradition in your country"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly liberal fags and chudcels hate it."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\nkek"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nFaggots love communism."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nFaggots love wearing red stars on their clothes and playing pretend on twitter, not communism\n\nNone of them would last a day doing hard labor"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nbecause they heckin tell people what to do!!!"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nNope faggots love fascism\n\"Exterminate all homosexuals and fascism will disappear\" - Maxim Gorky\nHitler was a renowned faggot"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>26\nThe taliban killed bacha bazi warlords just like they dealt your precious soviet army a humiliating defeat\n\n>>28\nWhich one are you comrade?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>The taliban killed bacha bazi warlords\nHahahahahaha\nHere's a hint, they ARE the bacha bazi. Everyone in Afghanistan is. Turd worlders aren't based, never will be. But of course desperate turdies like you, who have never gotten a win in your history, will live vicariously through the US military getting bored and leaving Afghanistan"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nYeah. They just like Marx."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\nBut Marxism IS \"\"\"woke\"\"\", it's proudly so!\nThe \"woke\" crowd in the USA just gives it a bad name because they're embarrassing to look at, but their demands and political goals do NOT contradict Marxists in any form. People like Angela Davis were educated in East Germany, not fucking Tumblr. Communist and Socialist parties across the world are consistently on the side of what you call \"Woke\". Be it the PSOL and PCdB in Brazil, the Linke in Germany, Labour in Ireland, Communists in Japan, etc. They're all \"\"\"woke\"\"\"."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nHow does it feel the worthless faggots in this picture are still superior to you, by virtue of not having shit colored skin?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nWhich is why faggots and trannies hate fascism and call everyone who disagrees with them fascist??????"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>Communist and Socialist parties across the world are consistently on the side of what you call \"Woke\"\nNot in Russia"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nWait, how would you even know this? Who cares what subhumans say or think? Do you?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nYou only have to have the displeasure of interracting with them for a minute to know this.\nThey even frequent this website and many others."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nRussia's Communist party is blatantly controlled opposition these days.\nAnd even so, during the USSR, they boasted about championing women's rights, abortion, racial equality, secularity, etc. The early USSR was avant-garde as fuck"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nFaggots and trannies tend to lean to either extreme of the political spectrum because they’re terminally online and like the attention that comes with outlandish beliefs and behaviors. There are plenty of them that dress up like nazis, just as there are plenty that dress up like they’re in the red army."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>42\nAngela Davis betrayed communism and nearly destroyed the CPUSA in the 90s. She dropped Marxism-Leninism as did most American \"Leftists: after the counterrevolution in the USSR."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nIt is not even close to \"both sides are equally guilty\"\n\nThere's twenty commie trannies for every one nazi tranny"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause of its consequences"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>6\n>It’s an inhuman ideology made for midwits trying to fight human nature to establish an impossible utopian ideal\nHere, here. Those bourgeois midwits think they can deny the natural right of kings and establish democracies? What idiots. Only natural that a hereditary line of rulers has legal rights over his territory and people. Human nature has shown that people cannot rule themselves and need a divine leader to control them. Anyone who says otherwise denies reality and human nature.\n\n>What makes it worse is that democrats openly state in their texts that they want to accomplish this by force and undermining every other system.\nI know! They want women working, destruction of the home, desertion of the pastoral family life to the horrible cities. It's madness!"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>3\n>Westerners were convinced to turn firmly against communism when communists and left generally started berating the West over colonialism.\nThe Bolsheviks modified the communist slogan \"workers of the world unite\" to \"workers and oppressed people of the world unite\" or something like that. It's not that \"oppressed people\" are in a separate category from \"the workers,\" but that imperialism had subjugated whole nations in what later came to be called the third world / global south (you can also include African-Americans here). So communism became attractive as a force against Western colonialism, imperialism and hegemony. It gets complicated, however, because there were governments that didn't want to be dominated by the Soviets either, including China in its communist period.\n\nMarxist economic and class analysis here being a tool to understand how value is extracted from poor countries, how to seize the means of production, build an army of workers and peasants for revolution in poor countries to break from colonial servitude. These were some of the ideas that spread from the October revolution around the world. Not everyone fighting for these ideas in the 20th century won, including in the United States, but the world would be a very different place if they had never existed.\n\n>>2\n>Unironically your avg Soviet citizen probably would relate far more to some rural American redneck than some liberal/Bernie style socialist.\nSoviet boomercore:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/9uB0fRM224U [Embed]\n\nI don't think Chairman Mao would think highly of yuppies either. It's hard to say, though, they might relate to Bernie. But if you wonder why older white conservative Republicans have a problem with communism and African-Americans historically less so then the reasons I laid out is partly why. But most people have something in common if you think about it. To the modern era, watch this from a talk in China with a crowd of young people:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/5E4wYpktV3M?t=280 [Embed]"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nA lot of effort for a meaningless response"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>39\n>get told to go back to your shithole gook country\n>still LARPing as white and brown nosing people who hate you\nLol\nThank God I wasnt born asian."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>still LARPing as white and brown nosing people who hate you\nDoesnt look like he is brown noseing tranny commies to me, looks like he is dunking on you with the based hetero chads"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n20th century \"people's democracies\" were iredeemable hellholes. that's indisputable.\n\nBut those states were based on a very particular reading of Marx, a reading that resulted in the attempt to generalize the curse of the proletariat condition because the theory involved the sentiment of the glorification of the worker. But the process of how Marx's writings got turned into a very rigid system of marxist scholasticism in Russia has been explained with great detail by many people. Saying that marxism doesn't involve \"dialectical materialism\" could get you kidnapped and shot at some stages of the revolution. Ironically, the failure of Marxism-Leninism has made it better for us now, because Marx can now be read with the detached nature through which we read any other author, like Aristotle for example\n\nBut for some reason, what I just said is seen as an intelectually and morally dishonest opinion by many people and I'm not sure who introduced that idea into the collective mindset. I know that scamming clown Jordan Peterson repeated it ad nauseam and he was very popular at a very crucial time. In any case, there's a clear interest in mantaining said idea and so, exploiting the historical disaster that was the USSR (along with other tactics like the miscarachterization of critical theory), Marx is turned into another boogeyman that is used as a wildcard for whatever the american right wing can use to fearmonger and steer it's voters opinions (woke shit, tranny shit, crt)"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're smart you understand your hatred of communism as being rooted in an understanding of the linguistic progression of the word \"communism\".\n\nIf you're dumb basic politesse and morality is rendered as an obscene evil to you, because you only have a cursory understanding of the last 100 odd years of history, and, oxymoronically, you see \"doing good\" as the bad thing instead of ideological commitments."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it is intrinsically destructive and anti-human."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nplenty of history books there but not studying any of it,all day long there not reading and all"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are literally 0 (zero) communist countries in existence today. Why does everybody hate communism?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>does everything wrong that capitalism does, except faster, harder, and with zero checks or balances\n>does everything wrong that democracy does, except faster, harder, and with zero checks or balances\nNo one with a brain, etc.\n\n>>53\n>Those bourgeois midwits think they can deny the natural right of kings and establish democracies? What idiots.\nIf it was right that they ruled, they wouldn't have been removed. Every attempt at communism has failed. History seems to be telling us what's right.\n\ninb4 CHINA IS COMMUNIST!!!! with it's fully intact billionaire class that exists entirely on the exploitation of its workers and their labor being sold for nothing to foreign capitalists\n\ninb4 BUT CAPITALISTS RUINED IT REEEEEEE and the USSR worked 24/7 for nearly 50 years to destabilize capitalist nations and turn them into commie shitholes, not once did they succeed because communism fucking blows"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>57\nHes pretending to be white for brownie points. Most anticommunist whites are also virulently racist and this faggot would be murdered as soon as he stopped being useful."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nI don’t get murdered\n\nI murder commies"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>CHINA IS COMMUNIST\nyes, the only industry that exists in china is because of foreign trade. The interior of china is indistinguishable from a stoneage shithole with peasants trying to farm corn in the desert"}, {"id": 67, "content": "communism is cringe"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>le internet tough guy\nYou admitted you get bullied by blacks in your personal life.\n\nThe board never forgets."}, {"id": 69, "content": "its an inherently self-defeating ideology that has no real means of achieving its end goal beyond some highly theoretical processes built on dubious axioms, and its adherents quite consistently will carry out utterly anti-human policy based on its social theory in their pursuit of its theorized goal none the less, resulting in horrific crimes against humanity and God until it finally just liberalizes and moves towards a regular capitalist economy"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nQuote me from the archives"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't hate communism. I hate communism derived from lenin-stalin. And those that hold marx as a religious figure instead of adapting it to your country like modern day china. Ever wonder why the Soviets collapse in incompetence and China is now the world's foremost superpower? They apply marxism practically, why the soviets just used it as a ideological restraint on their people. Communism is a science that should be expanded upon given new obersvations and results. Reading marx is now no more useful than reading Lord Kelvins first papers. While useful, you would spend your time better reading text that summarize, crisize and expand on Communism and our modern world.\n\nI'm a tranny btw."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>51\n>y-y-yeah but we're less gay!\nWhy do you even bother posting you social outcast? Functional adults who pay taxes and breed don't want anything to do with you no matter how LE BASED and LE CRINGE your failed ideology is."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>53\nThe human nature that denies communism existed way longer and earlier than any god or emperor"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\n>I hate communism derived from lenin-stalin ... instead of adapting it to your country like modern day china.\nHi, Vladimir Lenin here. We made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the People's Communes would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution […] brief experience convinced us that that line was wrong, that it ran counter to what we had previously written about the transition from capitalism to socialism, namely, that it would be impossible to bypass the period of socialist accounting and control in approaching even the lower stage of communism […] our theoretical literature has been definitely stressing the necessity for a prolonged, complex transition through socialist accounting and control from capitalist society (and the less developed it is the longer the transition will take) to even one of the approaches to communist society.\n\nhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htm"}, {"id": 75, "content": "Furthermore!"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>2\nML's are just Libs that like guns"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly, at this point, I'll take anything over neoliberalism. Communism is pretty faggy overall, but tankies are unironically based."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe don't?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommunism is a totalitarian ideology that relies on censorship and brainwashing. A society where everyone is the same, with no one allowed to disagree."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome people say :\n\"We are all the same\"\n\nOthers will say :\n\"We are all different\"\n\nWhat do you say?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nWe are all the same in that we are different and unique."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nn"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nTo put it another way :\n\n\"We are one\"\n\n\"We are many\"\n\n- which strikes truest?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\nSounds based and efficiencypilled to me"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>42\n>But Marxism IS \"\"\"woke\"\"\", it's proudly so!\nMarxism literally says that homosexuality is a capitalist disease.\n\"The Encyclopedia of Homosexuality volume two is unequivocal on Marx and Engels view of homosexuality, stating: \"There can be little doubt that, as far as they thought of the matter at all, Marx and Engels were personally homo-phobic, as shown by an acerbic 1869 exchange of letter on Jean Baptista von Schweitzer, a German socialist rival. Schweitzer had been arrested in a park on a morals charge and not only did Marx and Engels refuse to join a committee defending him, they resorted to the cheapest form of bathroom humor in their private comments about the affair\""}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it is an unorganic system and even more violent version of Jacobinism.\nThe \"dialectic materialism\" is a fairy tale and it doesnt fit all historical events, communists have to do social engineering to make their society in line with dialectic materialism."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>what do you mean by communists had to enact social engineering to make their societies conform \"dialectical materialism\"\nRead about NEP period in Soviet Union and Lenin's book \"Left Communism a Childhood Disease\", because Russia was not conforming to the Marxist views Lenin had to generate a bourgeoisie that didnt exist before and then purge them later, they did the whole Marxist \"history\" as a theatric performance using whole Russia as a stage"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>44\n>t. calls anyone who doesn't ruin their life with retarded racism and dead German ideology, a \"communist\""}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>76\nYou don't know what liberals are. May as well just redefine it as \"anyone who disagrees with me\"."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>79\n>Communism is a totalitarian ideology that relies on censorship and brainwashing.\nThis statement is correct.\n>A society where everyone is the same, with no one allowed to disagree\nThis statement is also correct. All of your interests are easily calculated by algorithms. There are millions of people just like you in appearance, speech, and general knowledge and yes, you DO agree on everything.\n\nGo ahead and say something in public that isn't accepted by the liberal orthodoxy in this country. Go prove me wrong."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>86\n>Because it is an unorganic system\nkek, fear the mineral based communism\n> even more violent version of Jacobinism\n>being a nazi\n>call others violent\n>The \"dialectic mater... random tirade\ni mean this cool and but that debate is no longer relevant considering that entire world is capitalist so the need of \"capitalist fase\" is no longer needed, but the capitalist prediction are still relevant and your system right now is not in the best heath"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>71\n>Ever wonder why the Soviets collapse in incompetence and China is now the world's foremost superpower?\nBecause the Soviets were actually communists and the Chinese aren't. Instead of also collapsing like the Soviets the chinks transitioned into a system that actually works ...fascism"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>64\nWhy are you obsessed with this dudes race while also accusing others through your projection? All you fucking nutjobs know how to do is project. stfu you stupid fucking cunt"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>87\n>a bourgeoisie that didnt exist before\nLol."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nSoviets had the benefit of the military industrial complex while China was sending soldiers to the front without socks in the 60's"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>85\nWhat Marx said in the 1800s doesn't matter, what matters is how Marxists act in 2023.\nEven Fidel Castro had to eventually say \"sorry guys, I regret it :(\" concerning homosexual persecution.\nFact is, 90% of Marxists today (and I'm saying this as a Latin American, not a first worlder) are what you would describe as \"Woke\"."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nRussia was an agrarian feudal society before the revolution dummy.\n\nOn another note, isn’t it crazy how communism only took root in nations with uneducated peasant masses, and not in actual industrialized nations? Almost as if it only appeals to uneducated yokels looking for a utopian system."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>74\nYou dumb leftypol shitposter, don't just copy-paste dengbaiting. You left in \"People's Communes\" instead of the \"peasants\"."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCold War inertia"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>71\nThe idea that our modern world necessarily needed to include \"protecting trans kids\" into Communism implies that trans kids were LESS oppressed during the industrial age than they are in our modern era. What changed between then and now which requires trans protections now but not then? This is a core flaw in intersectional ideology. By all means things are less oppressive towards intersectional identities than they were when these ideologies were created, so if anything the importance of them should have gone down, not up."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>4\nThe Bolsheviks are way more interesting than any fucking Russian empire figures.\nLenin alone is probably top 3 most wild backstories and rise to power out of all historical figures in history. Like the dude literally graduated law school, in a few months as a freshman because he was like \"I am law chad, give me your graduating exams\" and he needed high distinction 6/12 courses to pass and got high distinction in all 12."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nWow, so he was a bougie LARPing bitch just like all communists.\n\nNo wonder the masses rose up to lynch communist strawmen, out of touch fucks"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s not that I hate it, it’s that what communists implement isn’t effective. If he had been just a little less of an egomaniac, he would have shot into the air and achieved the same goal - driving them off - without hurting anyone. Oh well.Also, the idea of the state withering away when the government is given a great deal of power is retarded and overly optimistic."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nWow, violent liberals tricked masses of people. I mean Ceausescu was literally the most retarded commie leader and the only one that got lynched and look at his polling in Romania today, literally the most popular historical figure in their country and outpolls literally every current politician lmao."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nAh fuck, I accidentally copy pasted something unrelated. What I meant to say was that communists tend to have ineffective policies, and that the idea state withering away after being given immense power is hopelessly naive."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>HE'S POPULAR BROOOOOOS\n\nWhere's the mass uprising to reinstate communism? Oh wait, it's never happening.\n\nYou Will Never Have a Revolution"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">NOOO CHINA ISN'T COMMUNIST.\n>Meanwhile China\n>https://youtu.be/urdh7zKjwA0?t=7211 [Embed]\n\nEat shit Capitalistoids. Communists just played you at your own game and are now predicted to be the core global economy. What was it that Lenin said? You will sell us the rope to which we hang you with?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\ncope"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s that whole totalitarian form of government thing. Doesn’t work well with People who like liberal forms of governance."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>6\nYep."}, {"id": 111, "content": "Friends! Why fight over hating Communism. We can all agree we Communists. Even communists hate communists."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommunism is dumb but targeted, massive, state-guided financial subsidies into certain development projects are Good, Actually\n\nChina and Asian tigers all do it there is zero reason why the West shouldn’t do it too"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n>targeted, massive, state-guided financial subsidies into certain development projects are Good, Actually\n\nYeah, I'm a fascist too"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe idea of communal property is fine. The problem is what that means in reality, with incorporating a government to run it. Absolute imprisonment. That's the problem."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nit almost seems to me like the best thing is for people to just get together and build communities where they communally own stuff, within a greater liberal framework, which they are perfectly free to do already, but no one actually wants to put in the effort and make the sacrifices to do that, so they have to both take stuff from other people to use, and force other people at gun point to participate in order to make it work"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nidk why all commutrannys just make a new CHAZ and fuck off there"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>2\nExcept Engels said all conventionality would be replaced with revolutionary ideology and revolutionary conceptions not yet realised, specially talking about the family and motherhood (conventions he wanted to do away with) but virtually all human interaction would be changed once the modes of production were seized. Marxists are 100% woke faggots and believe that for communism to work, the modes of production (which they believe *primarily* influence social relations) must be controlled by a dictatorship of the proletariat for a time until the new revolutionary super structure becomes instinctual the same way reactionary ideology is so that now no need for hierarchy is required - everyone has been psychologically conditioned into a stateless society that provides for each other. The reasons for this are ??? Because Marxists are retarded faggots who don’t use their brains. Marxist-Leninist regimes often are woke “anti racist” shitholes that ban traditional institutions like religion (Buddhism, Catholicism, Sunni Islam, and Orthodox Churches) in favour of state atheism and education on Marxist-Leninist dogma. They also support feminism and their historical homophobia was influenced by Lenin’s own prejudices which he believed it was a mental illness as a result of bourgeois lifestyle not because he thought it was a violation of natural law. The modern day PRC offers HRT procedures in some of their provinces now anyway."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>112\nExcept those massive public works projects usually are infamously corrupt + the West does do public works projects you subhuman Russian shill.\n\n“Le BASED China and Russia!”! shills need to be executed and buried in unmarked mass graves."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\n>for communism to work, the modes of production (which they believe *primarily* influence social relations) must be controlled by a dictatorship of the proletariat for a time until the new revolutionary super structure becomes instinctual the same way reactionary ideology is so that now no need for hierarchy is required - everyone has been psychologically conditioned into a stateless society that provides for each other\nIronically, this would happen if right wingers were ubiquitous."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n>the modes of production (which they believe *primarily* influence social relations)\nThe development of social productivity (urbanization, industrialization, etc.) necessarily leads to changes in culture too, although we can't exactly predict how.\n\nGenerally speaking, rural areas are far more religious than urban areas because of both poor education (and hence anti-intellectualism) and lower level of organization. Transportation is poorer and exchanges with the outside world is difficult, the entertainment is shit and food production requires more collaboration, so the people there organize themselves given the absence of a strong government, as opposed to the relatively atomized urban population who have other options. A big, fat church in a rural region is basically little more than a facility and a center for information exchange, mating, rituals, networking, and hierarchy. So it's actually logical to be a Christian in some areas, provided that you wanna get laid, or be more socialized, or get some insider information, or have backups, or pull strings.\n\nSo, in the final analysis, theology is ultimately nonsense, but the organization it attaches to is not.\n\n>The modern day PRC offers HRT procedures in some of their provinces now anyway.\nMy sense is that they want the benefits of modernization while reducing the negatives without blowing up the country, there are differences between urban/rural, and a lot of what constitutes Western \"culture wars\" where everyone is sensitive and triggered all the time is really like different sects of \"convert or die\" Christians fighting a religious war. Theory is different from reality, but it's like \"how can everyone benefit\" rather than a particular tribe in a tribal conflict, and that might mean offering HRT procedures now, but everyone has to compromise out of an interest in \"harmony\" and mutual gain, so the rural population doesn't get triggered, but that also means organized religions have to GTFO of politics."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>19\n>theyre evil business owners who control the whole world and crushed our superpower\n>but also theyre children\ntry to be consistent"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>49\n>terminally online\ni like this meme word because whoever says it immediately outs themselves as a hypocrite"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>107\n>are now predicted to be the core global economy\nsource from 2023 please"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>42\n>But Marxism IS \"\"\"woke\"\"\", it's proudly so!\n\"Wokeness\" was mainly libs overexerting themselves during Obama's lame-duck second term, sublimating energy since writing Cracked.com articles about \"why we're done with white men\" was a way to \"win\" without winning. It was a sign of its fragility. They didn't have anything to brag about. Zilch. But who wants to be told \"you, categorically, are a horrible person. We hate the way you sit. We hate the way you talk. We hate the way you think.\" It's obnoxious and helped explain why the Democrats lost in 2016 and Trump won.\n\nThat said, I know this is gonna sound like liberal whining, but the U.S. really does have a deeply undemocratic system that gives power to the most reactionary elements in the society via the electoral college, but the two-party system makes people think everything is represented 50/50.\n\nThink about it, a Republican should have won in 2016 anyways just based on electoral trends and the fact Obama was basically a non-existent president, and they still only got in on a technicality with Trump. And then immediately the right started chimping out and throwing up Nazi salutes b/c they believed that 4chan gave them the mandate from heaven and they thought the masses of shiftless young white men wanted to join them. In reality, they just wanted to be able to say fag and be a bit rude. Now it's the conservatives that are the overly sensitive babies who are throwing bitch fits anytime NORMAL PEOPLE don't want to hear about bottom surgery all the goddamned time. They thought Trump was going to take them across the Rubicon but all it did was smarten up the libs and make them super focused on prosecution.\n\nLibs have had more of a storm than any Q cultists have had. It also radicalized a lot of people, the labor movement is stronger than it has been in 20 years. The right wing is vastly over represented online and politically. Even on the internet people seem to be getting sick of them."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\n>The right wing is vastly over represented online and politically.\n\nProud to be a force multiplier\n\n>Even on the internet people seem to be getting sick of them.\n\nGo back to your echochamber"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\n\"woke\" started when mainland europe industrialized and \"intellectuals\" collectively stamped their feet because they interpreted industrialization as some sort of outside force and not an inevitability as they were forcefully ripped out of the middle ages and the ignorance and superstition that came with it that they so secretly desired\n\nthat's not to say it's not inherent in human nature to stamp your feet and destroy yourself"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll these years and I STILL don't know what communism even is."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nthe vast majority of both internet communists and internet anti-communists don't know what communism is lol. so you aren't alone"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">defeats Rome\n>defeats the Norse\n>defeats England\n>defeats Ireland\n>defeats all the people the British Empire did\n>made up a disproportionate amount of officers in the British Empire\n>inb4 why do they speak english, davidian revolution and the burghs\n>invents/discovers the telephone, the television, penicillin, the steamboat, radar, logarithims, electromagnetism, modern economics, noble gases, the gregorian telescope, golf, the pedal bike, insulin, anaesthetic, the discovery of mosquitos as carries of malaria, the refridgirator, kaleidoscope, flushing toilets, colour photography\nNew master race candidates just dropped"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Scotland is a fake nation\nYour \"national dish\" haggis, is first recorded in a medieval english cookbook\nYour \"national dress\", the kilt, was invented by an englishman, and is only worn due to cringe romantic LARP revivalism\nYour \"wars of independence\" were a inter-norman feud, fought by norman lords controlling english speaking peasants on both sides. Robert the bruce was of norman aristocrat stock, william wallace was a welsh-norman aristocrat\nYour \"national instrument\", the bagpipe, is not native to scotland and is played in england, ireland, and all across europe and the middle east\nYour \"national epic\", the ossian, is a fraud and a forgery\nYour \"national figures\" are almost all of lowland origin, with anglo saxon and norman last names\nYour \"country\" is fake"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm like 10% Scottish and proud!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>scotland is a combination of anglo-saxon, norman and gaelic influences\n>existed as a sovereign nation for 1000 years\n>fake\ncope, seethe and dilate in your preferred order"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>My theme in this, and the following chapter, is the history of this process of innocent ritualisation in Scotland: the process whereby the customs and costumes of the Scottish Highlanders, previously despised as barbarous, and at one time formally extinguished, were resumed, elaborated and extended. Thus, today, the kilt and the tartan are regarded as the traditional dress of historic Scotland: Lowland Scots imagine themselves as members of ‘clans’, and visitors from England are welcomed by the noise of bagpipes, and must struggle to read road signs in Irish lettering. The process was the work of a well-defined era: the century from 1745 to 1845. Before 1745, the Highlanders and all their customs were disowned and despised by every articulate Scotchman. After 1845 the Highland takeover was complete. The voice of protest, and of historical truth, was often raised; but it was always powerless. Romanticism might lose its power; but then tourism and commercialism would take over its legacy, extending and vulgarising it in detail. Today it is fixed in the elaborate rituals of Scots abroad, and in the well-stocked souvenir shops of Lowland Scotland"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">invents/discovers the telephone, the television, penicillin, the steamboat, radar, logarithims, electromagnetism, modern economics, noble gases, the gregorian telescope, golf, the pedal bike, insulin, anaesthetic, the discovery of mosquitos as carries of malaria, the refridgirator, kaleidoscope, flushing toilets, colour photography\nNone of the people who actually invented this stuff identified as Scottish. They all thought of themselves as Englishmen"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>culture can't change over time"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Thanks to Scott and Stewart, the royal visit was planned, from the start, almost exclusively as a Highland affair. It was to be, as Scott wrote, ‘a gathering of the Gael’, with ‘cocking of bonnets and waving of plaids’. In order to ensure success, he wrote to his Highland friends urging them to ‘sort out their tartans’; and he pressed the Highland chiefs to come with their ‘tail’ of followers to pay homage to the king. ‘Do come, and bring half-a-dozen or half-a-score of clansmen’, he wrote to a Hebridean chief, ‘so as to look like an island chief as you are. Highlanders are what he will best like to see’.\n>The climax of the farce came at a civic dinner in the royal honour, when the king invited the assembled dignitaries to drink a toast to ‘the chieftains and clans of Scotland’ – those formerly predatory outer barbarians whom the citizens of Edinburgh had always despised and sometimes feared. This was too much for some of Scott's fellow Lowlanders, who afterwards complained that ‘the whole land was tartanised, in the royal eye, from Pentland to Solway’. But at the time the magic worked. Reason and sense were numbed by the potent mixture of myth and snobisme. ‘So completely had this hallucination taken possession’, wrote Lockhart, that nobody seemed startled by the suggestion that ‘the marking and crowning glory of Scotland’ consisted in those Highland clans and their chieftains who had, in truth, ‘always constituted a small and almost always an unimportant part of the Scottish population’."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nBell was literally descended from Highlanders."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>>5\n>>6\n>>8\n>all of our famous (non jewish) people are from historically Gaelic areas\nEnglishbros......"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>porridge wog coping with ALL his famous figures being from the anglo/norman lowlands"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nevery country that votes to remain in part of another is cucked and a non-nation"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScotland didn't defeat Rome."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScotts are north european ancient Greeks"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy wont scotts vote for independence?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nMindbroken by Anglos"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWe would be poorer and a lot of boomers were worried about their pensions"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">fails to vote for independence\n\nWhy were they so cowardly?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nsame reason Quebec won't vote for independence\nall the gibs go away"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\n>Robert the bruce was of norman aristocrat stock\nI know this post is b8 but characterising Robert as a Norman is pretty wrong-headed. His mother was the Countess of Carrick, a very thoroughly Gaelic part of Scotland, and he was raised at her court; his most loyal allies were Gaels and Scottish propaganda of the period emphasised the country's Celtic character and common cause with the Irish - this angle pretty much stopped after Robert died which suggests it might've been adopted at his own direction."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n>Anglo-Norman lowlands\n>Norman/Anglo/Norse admixture peaks at 5% and is entirely maternal\n>95% Highlander"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>>16\n>>18\nScottish independence has literally only been a debate for about 20 years and to do with socio-economic issues rather than ethno nationalist ones\n\nWe would be poorer and spend years trying to get into the EU. It’s not worth it when we can just be British and literally nothing major would change."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nindependence didn't seem like a credible idea until the first referendum campaign, and while the scare campaign run against it was incompetent, that combined with the big lead they started with meant that they managed to edge it. (people learned the wrong lessons as a result, which is why the EU remain campaign, which started basically 50/50 ended in a leave win - remain thought they could copy the Scottish campaign rather than taking it as a guide for what not to do.)\n\nsince then: because they haven't had the chance. the UK government can keep refusing referendums, no other country would accept a meme option like a wildcat referendum, a plebiscite election, or so on, and they'd turn the other way if the UK beat the shit out of anyone who tried to run one. the modern case for independence is basically built on the idea that life could be slightly more comfortable if Scotland was a normal independent country, so with legal routes to an independence vote closed off there isn't much they can do - unions and civil society are too weak to launch a general strike or otherwise make Scotland ungovernable, and the adoption of violent armed tactics would totally tank support for the cause."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScotland is unironically the successor and inheritor of Rome and larping roaches and vatniks cannot convince me otherwise."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nNo he wasn't you LARPing culture stealing swine\n>Alexander Melville Bell was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, and studied under and became the principal assistant of his father, Alexander Bell (b. 3 March 1790, Fife, Scotland d. 23 April 1865, St. Pancras, north London),[3] an authority on phonetics and speech disorders. From 1843 to 1865 he lectured on speech elocution at the University of Edinburgh, and from 1865 to 1870 at the University of London.[4] Melville married Eliza Grace Symonds (b. 21 September 1809, Alverstock, Hampshire d. Georgetown, Washington, D.C., 5 January 1897),[5] the only daughter of a British naval surgeon.\nBell is an anglo saxon last name\nAlexander Graham Bell was an anglo\n>>21\nThe lowlands, the part of scotland where everybody lives, is well over 50% genetically Germanic\nAnd that's ignoring the fact that all of scotland is anglified and speaks english. it ignores the fact that the \"celts\" in the british isles descend from bell beakers who cluster with germanic nations.\nAll of scotland's most famous figures had english and norman last names and were lowlanders. Aside from a few exceptions, Highlanders practically contributed nothing to Scotland's culture or history. Managed to acheive some breakthroughs in the last jacobite rebellion when half of britain was away fighting in the continent and the only people to fight against them were little more than militia, but were swiftly defeated and were buckbroken by the lowlander-english alliance\nAnd now scots decide to LARP as them\nwhat a joke\n>>20\nA smart ruler decides to appeal and appease a segment of his population so they can support him\nNot a new concept\nRobert the Bruce was a norman. The wars of indepdenecnce were simply a norman feud. Nothing more. Modern notions of nationalism had nothing to do with it"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">YOU DON'T OWN NOTHING CHAP!"}, {"id": 27, "content": "What exactly needs to happen for someone to become this venomous and ritualistic in an online crusade against (in their own words) a fake people?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nFake nation\nFake people\nFake culture\n>>27\nI make posts on the internet\nScots go out, dress up and march for independence based on a fake national image that was created in the 18th century\nWhy is it fine to make fun of macedonians and ukranians for their fake history but when you do it to scotland it's LE BAD?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>based on a fake national image that was created in the 18th century\nthis isn't what it's based on though, that's the image they use because that's the image of scotland, the same way Americans would wave an American flag (and the current US flag is younger than most twee Scottish tat). It's just a symbol. the actual prospectus for independence is that people who live in the arbitrary border of a former country which is already used for various government functions would be better governed if it exercised the powers of a fully independent country.\n\nin getting worked up about Scotland being a \"fake country\" you miss the detail of how modern scottish nationalism is actually fascinatingly anodyne. it almost doesn't matter if Scotland is a \"real country\" or not because it's ultimately framed as an administrative question, little more interesting then whether you want your city to be governed by a series of suburban district councils, or one big unitary authority."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>this isn't what it's based on though, that's the image they use because that's the image of scotland, the same way Americans would wave an American flag (and the current US flag is younger than most twee Scottish tat). It's just a symbol. the actual prospectus for independence is that people who live in the arbitrary border of a former country which is already used for various government functions would be better governed if it exercised the powers of a fully independent country.\nIt was created in the 18th century\nIt started with the ossian, a fake national epic, and with the glorifying of the previously despised highlanders. Then lowlanders began to adopt kilts, began to adopt highland bagpipes (and ignore all other forms of bagpipe which have been used across britain for millenia)\nNow Scots exclusively identify as gaelic and put gaylick signs and gaylick writing on police cars in places gaylick was never spoken. the SNP claims that the jacobite rebellion was scots fighting against the english crown (LOL)\nA complete destruction of traditional culture in favour of an invented one\nAnd now they're spreading it across britain. they weren't content with destroying their own culture in the lowlands. Now in every slightly culturally distinct place across britain you're seeing scottish fake culture pop up. cornish kilts. welsh kits. northumbrian kilts. devon kilts. Real culture being replaced with fake proto-globohomo culture."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI'm curious why spreading gaelic and kilts around is such a galling example of globohomo, but the actual homogenization of basically everywhere into a blob of netflix-watching iPhone-using coca-cola drinking twitter posting Americans goes uncommented on, despite being far more widespread, far more foreign, and doing far more to actually homogenize the earth."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>I'm curious why spreading gaelic and kilts around is such a galling example of globohomo, but the actual homogenization of basically everywhere into a blob of netflix-watching iPhone-using coca-cola drinking twitter posting Americans goes uncommented on, despite being far more widespread, far more foreign, and doing far more to actually homogenize the earth.\nBecause people are actively against that (at least people on the right)\nNobody seems to be noticing the highlandification of british folk cultures\nWhy are you for traditional culture being destroyed in favour of fake culture? Why should lowland scots discard their own culture? Why should northern english people? Why should the cornish?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Why are you for traditional culture being destroyed in favour of fake culture?\nI'm not in favour, but I don't believe it can be stopped. Look at Gaelic, even with reasonable government support it's still only spoken in the Hebrides, and even there not as the primary language. Rather than a choice between preserving authentic gaelic culture, which has already more or less been wiped out, you've got the option of letting it die entirely or artificially copy and pasting what's left across the country in a last ditch attempt to save something of it. (Or, more cynically, as a branding exercise to make Scotland feel marginally more exotic in an already fairly boring world. That may be aesthetically objectionable, but ultimately you're choosing between an aesthetic hellscape with more tourism jobs, or an aesthetic hellscape with less.)\n\nTraditional culture is ultimately rooted in traditional living conditions. Look at the Kilt thing - I'm no Kilt expert, maybe you're wrong and Cornwall made Kilts, but the cynic in me would say this isn't primarily a cultural problem. Rather than starting from the idea of Cornwall copying Scotland, I'd look at it as the market working as intended - people noticed there was a market for tartan men's skirts and decided there was no excuse to leave that entirely to Scotland. There's money to be made, so that's what you get. But it's not just capitalism either - we can imagine a utopian socialism that just supports traditional cultural events, they would be artificial events put on by the state for the sake of showcasing tradition rather than an authentic, living culture. Less diluted from the original, perhaps, but it's ultimately splitting the difference between an embalmed corpse and a rotting one. The way people actually live their lives under that system would be too far removed from the circumstances that created the real-deal. In the long run, you have to choose between regional dialects and radio."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nTartans and Kilts came from ANE, you monkey. They were literally found with Paleolithic HGs.\nScots are the oldest race in the Isles and their culture is the root of European culture as they are the most culturally ANE."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\n>he is an Anglo\nHe was a descendant of Highlanders.\nAnglos never lived anywhere near Scotland, in fact the Old North, a Welsh kingdom, Completely extirpated the Saxons from their territory in the 700s and the Saxons never expanded beyond Hadrian's wall ever again, any Saxon people remaining were sparse and overtly indistinguishable from Britons.\n>genetically Germanic\nno such thing as \"genetically Germanic\"\nThere are Swedes, Dutchmen, Germans, Danes, but there are no \"Germanics\".\n>English and Norman last names\nTaking an English or Norman name does not an Anglo or Norman make, they adopted such names from the Statutes of Iona because the English literally could not conquer them, so they instead enticed their children with luxury to come and be educated among English courts.\n>Lowlander-English alliance\nJacobite Wars saw the English vs the Celts, the English notoriously were jobbing to Highlanders with swords (in the age of firearms) and forced other Scotsmen to combat their kin.\nOnly a Celt can beat a Celt.\n\nBy your own map even in Edinburgh they do not reach 50% Germanic Y DNA, let alone Germanic admixture.\nHowever more recent data on Y DNA shows the vast majority of everyone in the isles is Native, like the Jomon, being overwhelmingly R1b L21.\nof all counties in England, Scotland, and Ireland, collecting data from 250 people per country, they came up with a range of 190 so R1b L21 per country and the rest, an extreme minority by comparison, had Germanic Y DNA.\nThat is extreme dominance by Celtic males."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n250 people per county*"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>defeats Rome\nPlease name the battle they did this?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>>35\nYou are an American LARPer with strange sexual fantasies about a made up group that never existed. You are a skinny nerd LARPing as an ancient warrior\nYou will never be celtic\nCelts never existed\nHighlanders are the most cucked group in existence"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>>35\n>>38\nAnd the American southerners you love to WE WUZ as and claim were celtic were descended from people who defeated the cuckobites\nHillbilly comes from a supporter of William of Orange\nHighlanders, the most pathetic, weak group in existence. Imagine being mogged at the battle of culloden and 50 years later fighting for the british against the patriots and getting defeated again by a few farmers who oiled up a bridge. LOL"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\n>>38\nGraham bell was r1b-U106\nA germanic Ydna haplo"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThe person you're responding to is a shut-in american yankee haplosperg with deranged sexual fantasies about groups that never existed.\nHe saves pictures of rugby players with germanic last names and blonde hair to his computer and tries to label them as \"celtic\" and details his strange sexual fantasies he has about them\nA pathetic, pitiful man"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nYou come across as unhinged, mate."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Chimps out over a refugee being deported\nHow the mighty have fallen"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nSays the one LARPing as a group that never existed and saving pictures of muscular men to his computer\nHomosexual faggot"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>35\n>Anglos never lived anywhere near Scotland\nCoping nonsense.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthwell_Cross\n>The Ruthwell Cross is a stone Anglo-Saxon cross probably dating from the 8th century, when the village of Ruthwell, now in Scotland, was part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria.\n>It is the most famous and elaborate Anglo-Saxon monumental sculpture, and possibly contains the oldest surviving text, predating any manuscripts containing Old English poetry."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>22\nisn't the post-brexit case for independence largely that Britain's leadership is incompetent and will end up dragging you guys down?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>12\nScotland created the UK, why should it leave if that option doesn't benefit it?\n\n>>46\nThat's the argument. But leaving the UK to join the EU would do absolutely massive irreversible harm to our economy which could never be fixed by EU membership."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nwho?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>2\nI'm pretty sure that most of the things that are attributed to Ireland and Scotland are English things that were adopted in the 1800's as a larp."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\nAnd the Scottish spoke Gaelic (Irish) for hundreds of years, it was the only national language of Scotland until English, and yes Scots has nothing to do with unique Scotishness, it's just less Norman English"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't defeat the Normans. I can’t think of anyone that defeated the Norman’s. Wallace is a Walloonian name, and the Wallace’s came over with William the Conqueror."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Starts the Vietnam War\n>Son (Scottish Irish Mestizo) produces CIA Psyop music to hypnotize all of the non-Celtic whites\n>Both from the same clan as John Wayne, another ploy to lessen Anglo dominance over America\nJust based on this, the Gaels are clearly superior."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>Wayne is an old English surname meaning a craftsman: wagon driver or builder\n>First of all, the surname Morrison is a patronymic which means ‘the son of Morris’ or ‘the son of Maurice’. The Normans brought the name Maurice, Latin for Moorish, to Britain and over time the name changed to Morris\nOH NO NO NO GAELBROS"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>John Wayne was his screen name\n>Birth name Marion Morrison\n>The Morrisons were originally from the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides, Scotland (same as Special Agent Morrison of \"The Doors\" acclaim).\n>The Morrison clan centred on the Isle of Lewis derived their surname from MhicGilleMhoire, a name said to mean \"son of a servant of Mary\". (\"Mhic\" meaning son, \"Gille\" meaning servant and \"Mhoire\" meaning Mary).\n(Yuo) will not get away with spreading Anglo propaganda"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nYeah\nSo Scandinavian\nSpastic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Without Britain there would be no: USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand e.t.c Britain gave the world: a global language, the industrial revolution, human rights and so on and so forth. Yes negative things were done but you can't just overlook the positive!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlike what?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>a global language, the industrial revolution, human rights and so on and so forth"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurns out being a goytoy doesn’t come with a reward, even most white nationalists hate britain"}, {"id": 5, "content": "read my comment"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Germanic language. Germans monarchy. German isles. Germans everywhere."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">yes, negative things were done\nYes, and they outweigh the positive. Colonialism, imperialism, millions of people enslaved, oppressed or slaughtered in the name of aristocrat retards and bankers. These are universal evils, and the idea that \"oh but [technology] or [political theory] comes from Britain!!!\" is meaningless.\n\nIf something which was a net positive for the world came from Britain, it was despite Britain, not thanks to it. Likewise with other colonial powers. Likewise with all Empires, Nations, Governments, Despots, Organisations or individuals that are defined by the evils they commit.\n\n>tl;dr\nBritons are the most sensitive faggots in the fucking world and are the easiest to make fun of. There are few people in Europe who loathe themselves so greatly and yet get so offended when others poke fun at them.\n>still tl;dr\nbrits give out (you)s easiest"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nnice try Satan, but I am not going to read that comment"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nlmao. Britons created the Universe! haha."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Without Britain there would be no: USA, Canada\nWow, no wonder everyone hates the UK. Total Canadian and Yankee death NOW!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do people dislike Britain when it gave the world so much?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nCaddo Discovered America"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe architects of jew tyranny are British jews"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PQj-NHp83A [Embed]"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do people dislike Britain when it gave the world so much? Anonymous 04/18/23(Tue)12:36:58 No.14914640▶>>2 >>4 >>10 >>11 >>13\n>Without Britain there would be no: USA,\nhere is your answer OP"}, {"id": 16, "content": "For crushing and irreparably damaging\nmy Ark of my Covenant, go with Britain,\nit will never let you down. Atheists now.\n\nG-D"}, {"id": 17, "content": "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_Kingdom"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nall jews are britons"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nrent free"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nHigh taxes."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nhttps://youtu.be/_33z-NhiNfA [Embed]"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">British man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It's British exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of British power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles Britons who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don't grasp what it really means: humiliation. The British man presents an image of superiority even when he isn't conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying British civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain, and chiefly England as a part of Britain, gave the world some of the most important political, philosophical, legal, scientific, technological and artistic advancements in history which we now live with - an enormous plethora of each of them.\n\nFor example, it was the first major power to fully abolish slavery, and then spent decades stamping out the practice around the world. It was also the nation which essentially invented the practice of having two governing entities running a nation - one electoral body and one as head of state. Many nations use this template now still. That, and most of the world's most favoured sports originated in Britain too. Football/soccer, rugby, cricket, golf - even baseball and hockey too.\n\nAnd of course Britain built up and maintained the largest empire of all time, with roughly 1/4 of all the world's land and 1/3 of its people as its subjects. It is a remarkable feat, the likes of which have never been matched. Of course, many of the formerly subjugated peoples hated being British subjects, and so too do their descendants hate that Britain, still standing quite tall as the world's 6th largest economy, is still doing far better than they are.\n\nThe long and short of it is that most people want to believe their country - their people, their group - is great and the best because that's what their parents and their community made them believe. Because they need to cope with the fact that they can very clearly see this one particular country has an enormous and unmatched track record of success in the ways I mentioned above, people hate on it. They hate it cuz they ain't it, essentially. They have inferiority complexes about their own histories and cultures, many of which were absolutely dwarfed in terms of global historical relevance in comparison to Britain."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell at least you are not gk2nmpFrance"}, {"id": 25, "content": "\"\"\"\"People\"\"\"\" who shit in the street still absolutely seething 75 years later."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\nYes, the English are the greatest of the Germanic peoples. While continental Germans were still squabbling princedoms and baronies, the English had already founded a centralized kingdom that spanned Britain. By the time the continental Germans had organized themselves as a cohesive society, the English had already colonized 3 continents, and launched the Industrial Revolution.\n\n>>7\nYou presuppose colonialism was bad to begin with. British colonialism led to a hundredfold increase of the population of Africa under their control, the abolition and emancipation of Africans, the doubling of the average African lifespan, the rule of law and democracy, individual liberty, the end of endemic tribal warfare, and the eradication of famine and common disease. The only people upset about colonialism are dispossessed native aristocrats who were upset they couldn’t be petty god-kings anymore.\n\nHand wave it away as much as you want, but at the end of the day, all you have are meaningless moral arguments and Wakanda delusions.\n>millions slaughtered\nIf only. They’ve spent 5 years digging up church graveyards in Canada. Still no mass burials of the lil indian babies they said were murdered by the hundreds in residential schools."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nEnglish are mostly celtic genetically and were predominantly ruled by celts"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nNot a single mass grave either. Literally all just presently unmarked graveyards which were once marked. Well up until the mid-19th century, nearly everyone used wooden crosses because cut stone was quite expensive and most certainly not available outside of major population centres.\n\nThe whole thing has been little more than fabricated outrage with little to show for it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCoz you're faggots constantly whinging that people hate you"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nAnd many of those graveyards have both white and indigenous interred. Ground-penetrating radar has also done nothing to show either. One place thought they struck the gold they were seeking but they were tree roots lmao."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\nEngl*sh cunts didnt do shit. It was all the scots."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThe same Scots who constantly complain that they were victims of English colonialism and who don't even know their own history? Yeah, sure."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the global language weren't English it would be something else. In 50 years it might be Mandarin."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\nIt's about a 1/3rd germanic, 1/3rd Celt, 1/3rd some other group that existed before the celts invaded. Like Japan we're a mixture of 3 tribes (Yamato, Han chinese, Ainu). Both England and Japan have not experienced significant invasion for over 1000 years."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nGermany itself has huge amounts of Celtic admixture too, Celts used to ruled all of Europe North of Italy, and West of Poland, until Germanic tribes started to migrate out of Scandinavia. The only European countries that are majority German are the Scandinavia countries, most are an admixture. Both Celts and Germanic come from the same Indo-European ancestors though, so the difference isn't too big in the first place."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>In 50 years it might be Mandarin\nENTER"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>21\nLmao. Thanks bro."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts, /his/?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "How much did the lobotomy cost you?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntranslation: I was an atheist and I became a muslim."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPedophila not just for clerics then?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngood"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNice"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNice job, now you're a certified Chud."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid you convert in front of witnessed and do you go to your local mosque? I am skeptical because people online who make drastic coversions are usually playing pretend."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">I converted from Catholicism to Islam"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMohammad was more real than Jesus."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI did the reverse"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're underage or terminally online."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmericans really have zero identity"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased, idol worshippers will seethe as usual."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt begins...\nFast forward a few months and we will have zoomers converting to scientology and making threads about how modern science did dianetics dirty."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nMillions must convert or die"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat's the honorific the muslims use when they mention Muhammad?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nPeanut butter"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot your personal blog faggot"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nTruly a religion of equality.\n\n>>17\nPeace be Upon Him or PBUH for short."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSunni or Shia?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are your thoughts on the Turkish War of Independence (1919 - 1923)?\nDo you have any knowledge on the topic?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have no thoughts or knowledge on the topic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommon Greekoid L\n\nThey had the whole west funding them and still lost to roaches.\n\nA joke of a nation."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot really, no.\nIt appears to be a stunning victory from the outside that secured their sovereignty. If they had somehow lost, though that does seem exceedingly unlikely, then Turkey would have been carved up into a rump state. The Turks would hardly have been the first non-Western empire to have opposed the Western powers and lost, and then to be carved up by them. In truth, the Europeans generally promoted stable empires where they went because it allowed them to access the markets and make money. But if the empire opposed the flow of goods or attacked, it had to be destroyed and replaced with colonial administrations or spheres of influence - which could then perpetuate further trade.\nIn any case, I would hesitate to call it too stunning of a victory. Europe was in a pandemonium during these era and could hardly focus on Turkey. The British were also cut out of this arrangement, which weakened the Westerners. Ultimately, the Europeans lost for the same reason the Romans could never drive the Turks out of Anatolia (and why the Turks had such a hard time taking it in the first place). It is damn-near impossible to project power into the Anatolian highlands. Taking Ankara and \"winning\" the war is laughable, even if one supposes the Turks would surrender afterwards. However, securing Constantinople again was a huge victory that can never be understated.\nAlso, the genocide afterwards and flirtations with Fascism really takes the wind out of the sails of this underdog story.\n>>3\nMany such cases."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nKinda this. It's not that the Turks won, it's that the Greeks made huge mistakes. Sèvres would have solved too many problems"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUhh, the young turks government collapsed and the empire devolved into semi-anarchy. Then the sultan went to sevres, france, and signed a treaty making huge territorial concessions in order to guarantee stability in the country.\nThe army, which was recently modernized to be more in line with european forces and one of the few working institutions at the country, rebelled against those terms and ended up waging war and winning under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal.\nHe then became the leader of the country for 3 decades and made deep changes, often being more “progressive” than western countries (female vote before A”america, for example), made huge progress in setting up a working economy, tried to mend the problems with the ethnic minorities in the country and almost banned islam.\nAfter that, the country slowly went to shit, usually because islamists (turkish islamists are different from arab Islamists, I know) kept winning elections and undermining the kemalist government program, which led to several military coups that always ended in elections.\nNow we have erdogan and the country is getting increasingly shit, despite being in the best geopolitical scenario it has been in many centuries."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt is fine imo. A lot of the \"going to shit\" stuff is either (A) happening everywhere or (B) drummed up by propagandists increasingly ready to eject Turkey from the \"international community.\"\nAs long as they don't go full retard and try to kill all the crows or something, they'll be fine.\nEvery geopolitical card is coming up Turkey. They are literally chilling while every country around them explodes into wars/civil wars lmao"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>Also, the genocide afterwards and flirtations with Fascism really takes the wind out of the sails of this underdog story.\nThe big genocides happened before that. There were still issues with the kurds, but mainly because they were militant islamists at the time. As for the armenians, ataturk expressed public remorse as for what had happened. He besieged armenian towns and cities during the war because armenians overwhelmingly sided with the west (who can blame them?) but he was never involved in their genocide."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Smyrna was one of the Ottoman empire's great mercantile centres. Though it fell to the Greeks during the bloody conflict Turks call the war of independence, the city's non-Muslims were not unduly fearful when Turkish soldiers recaptured Smyrna in 1922. They hoped Atatürk would view this still prosperous city as an asset to the new republic.\n\nOn September 13, 1922, Turkish troops descended on Smyrna. They rampaged first through the Armenian quarter, and then throughout the rest of the city. They looted homes, raped women, and murdered untold thousands. Turkish soldiers were seen dousing buildings with petroleum.\n\nHalf a million of its inhabitants had fled to the quayside. While Turkish irregulars moved among them, raping and killing, Atatürk sat watching from a friend's villa in the hills."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThe main issue is the economy, and it is most definitely worse than most other places.\nIt’s just that it could be so much more. Your country drew the winning lottery ticked of relevancy in the conflicts and geopolitical relevancy of the early 21st century. So much so that you can do whatever short of another genocide and still not get “internationally isolated” like you said."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nAh, yes, the Romanoi. What was it they were fond of saying?\nVae victis."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nThe West did not fund their massively stupid adventure into the heart of Turkish territory, which was mountainous, and where the Turks could draw upon tens of thousands of veterans nearly relocated into said territory.\nAlso, the Russian Civil War was going on, and Armenians were considered allies of Lenin."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>but mainly because they were militant islamists\nAtaturk promised the Caliphate would remain in place and reneged on his promise, not exactly your average ISISman opposing this."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Turkey won solely due to last-minute shipments of gold and weapons from the Soviet Union.\nAlso Italians randomly decided to just pack up and leave and give all their guns to the turks for no reason.\nNot even memeing."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSound dumb"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt does sound stupid but it's all true:\n>The Soviet supply of gold and armaments to the Kemalists in 1920 to 1922 was a key factor in the latter's successful takeover of the Ottoman Empire, which had been defeated by the Triple Entente.\n>Before the Amasya Circular, Mustafa Kemal met with a Bolshevik delegation headed by Colonel Semyon Budyonny. The Bolsheviks wanted to annex parts of the Caucasus, including the Democratic Republic of Armenia, which were formerly part of Tsarist Russia. They also saw a Turkish Republic as a buffer state or possibly a communist ally. Mustafa Kemal's declined to consider adopting communism until after an independent national was established. Having Bolshevik support was important for the national movement.\n>The first objective was the securing of arms from abroad. They obtained these primarily from Soviet Russia, Italy and France. These arms—especially the Soviet weapons—allowed the Turks to organise an effective army.\n>According to Soviet documents, Soviet financial and war material support between 1920 and 1922 amounted to: 39,000 rifles, 327 machine guns, 54 cannon, 63 million rifle bullets, 147,000 shells, 2 patrol boats, 200.6 kg of gold ingots and 10.7 million Turkish lira. Additionally the Soviets gave the Turkish nationalists 100,000 gold rubles to help build an orphanage and 20,000 lira to obtain printing house equipment and cinema equipment."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">muh steppe elites\n>the most elite Mycenean tomb ever found of a warrior King had literally no Steppe admixture\nWhy is this steppe elites meme in Greece parroted around so much? Is there actual evidence of this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSteppe brothers had like five major haplogroups across time."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt seemed reasonable to believe (before recent samples) that the type of ancestry characteristic of the people who brought the language there may be higher in elites.\nThat not being the case was always in the cards as Mycenaean Greece was a syncretic culture."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pic\nAnd chuds claim cleopatra was not black"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhoa... indians are so epic badass!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nCleopatra was not from Mycenean Greece and brown medbug olive eaters are not subsaharan Africans\nsorry"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nSIR DO NOT REDEEM THE TROJAN HORSE SIR\nSIR DO NOT REDEEM THE TROJAN!!!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDO NOT REDEEM!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nhello sir, why did you redeem"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Reminder Mycenaean elites were overwhelmingly R1b, every Mycenaean had a severe sex bias in favor of Yamnaya men, and Myceaneans were the most Yamnaya-admixed farmer group at their time.\n>>1 (OP)\nDarktroon, begone."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean some have steppe. But if anyone is trying to sell you heccin' blonde kangz that created grease n scheisse they're lying for propaganda and aesthetics. In my opinion.\n>Is there actual evidence of this?\nThey practiced cremation and also )))they((( (greeks and jews and whoever else) are hiding the palace samples. Which to be fair it is a little suspicious they haven't released some samples.\nI like to think of mycenean greece as a syncretic culture. It's only natual that one of the oldest and most developed parts of old europe would survive the first round of IE migrations on a better standing than less populated parts.\n>Why is this steppe elites meme in Greece parroted around so much?\nIt makes intuitive sense, it usually went that way in other cases, but sometimes history pulls a fast one on you."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>arguing with darktroon\nRetard."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>Myceaneans were the most Yamnaya-admixed farmer group\nwhat the fuck does this even mean"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\nSame schizo obsessed with Indians. Who the fuck mentioned Dravidians you mentally ill loser"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>they practiced cremation\nNot Myceneans.\n>they haven't released some samples\nThe samples are from the palace. They aren't from the earliest richest graves, though. I think they were unable to extract DNA from those early shaft graves. They are from later chamber tombs. These guys definitely weren't slaves, but their graves weren't as richly furnished as the earlier ones.\nGriffin warrior is a unique grave. It's very early and very rich, but it's not a typical shaft grave."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI'm convinced this board has been raided by a discord server to derail every thread into shitposting about Indians/Darkwitch/Mordvix/whatever other schizos."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n0-30% Steppe. There was no elite bias you fucking liar, steppe ancestry did not vary among the social strata. Why do you incels just make shit up?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nAll the other southtroons, from western cavemen to akkadians and egyptians, had much less (usually zero) Steppe-admixture than them.\n>>14\n>>16\n>>17\nBEGONE HIJRA"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nbronze age iberians and italians often had more steppe than Mycenaeans. I'm not sure what you are trying to communicate by comparing them to afro-asiatics."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nWell, the samples with the most steppe ancestry were found in some cave. They came from scattered bones."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\n>Not Myceneans.\nIt's what I've been told by the most trustworthy source of all, Twitter.\n>The samples are from the palace. They aren't from the earliest richest graves, though. I think they were unable to extract DNA from those early shaft graves. They are from later chamber tombs. These guys definitely weren't slaves, but their graves weren't as richly furnished as the earlier ones.\nI see. Interesting. Why do you think that is? But anyway yeah that's kind of their explanation. The aristocrats practiced cremation and that's why the high steppes aren't there or why the samples exist but haven't been released or found yet. While I understand why the 19th-century and early 20th-century scholars might've assumed it. They can't have everything right. And I am being honest people who cling to these theories usually do it for personal reasons rather than thinking them to be the logical conclusion.\nJust parroting what I heard on twitter.\n>Griffin Warrior is a unique grave. It's very early and very rich, but it's not a typical shaft grave.\nI agree, that little figurine found in the tomb is dazzling beyond belief."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nShaft graves are inhumations. All the gold cool stuff have been found in shaft graves."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Myceneans aren‘t Greeks though. They aren‘t even Indo-European. Why would you expect them to be?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nAgree, it's top tier"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>Their syllabic script, the Linear B, offers the first written records of the Indo-European Greek language"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>Proven to speak Greek\n>proven to have settled on the Greek mainland\n>Literally the basis of Greek religion\n>Genetics indicate they are mostly EEF, just like their archaic descendants\n>They're not Greek\n/Pol/cel mental gymnastics everybody"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nYou might be confusing them with the Minoans. With the as-of-yet undeciphered linear A."}, {"id": 28, "content": "Reminder."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nThis motif appears on other seals, but this one is by far the most impressive.\nMaybe the others are just shitty copies made by unskilled artisans."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>unknown\n>>29\nvery possible."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nTrue. Maybe the King from Pylos became a sort of legendary figure, and the Myceneans upon seeing the art made for him, wanted to imitate the grandeur."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nFuck off slav(e)"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMycenaeans are pre-greek."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>>23\nYou fell under a darktroon's bait, Mycenaean samples we have are very rich in Steppe ancestry, one of the most Steppe population of their time. And we have Classic Greek samples, they were literally the same as Mycenaeans."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nBronze age Greece is still Greece. When Myceneans collapsed Greeks didn't spontaneously combust. Classical Greeks are direct descendants of bronze age Mycenean Greeks."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nDirect ancestors of the greek technically. Very cool civilization even if they are dicks."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nIN RESERVATION HIJRA. NOW."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nGreek soldiers from Sicily cluster with Myceneans, so yeah."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nYes, the reason southern Italians resemble Mycenean Greeks genetically is because of Magna Graecia, when tons of Greeks colonized southern Italy after Mycenean society collapsed. Add to this that there were already Mycenean trading outposts in Southern Italy"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nFarm equipment."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, but you'll keep coping somehow"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nI'm not him what is it."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nThat's Minoan."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nApparently a Minoan fresco showing a brown/red headed woman."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nSo Myceneans were even fairer yet even some Minoans were extremely fair."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>were even fairer\nThey probably looked quite similar."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\n>>Blond hair was present in the Neolithic of Anatolia (Turkey) at Barcın(5), Chalcolithic Southeastern Europe (Romania at Bodrogkeresztur), Chalcolithic of the Levant (Israel)(70), and a Minoan from Lasithi.(4)\nNone of these have any steppe admixture."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nThat's blond not red hair"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>Blond hair was present in the Neolithic of Anatolia (Turkey) at Barcın\nAn outlier with R1b-v88\n>Chalcolithic Southeastern Europe (Romania at Bodrogkeresztur)\nSteppe admixture\n>Chalcolithic of the Levant\nIranian admixture\n>a Minoan from Lasithi.(4)\nSteppe admixture"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nThere is no v88 barcin neolithic sample\nThe highest steppe Minoan from Lasithi has ~4% Steppe.\nThere's 33 samples from the Romanian ChL set, only a handful of them have between 5-10% Steppe ancestry. Yet 30.3% of them have \"light\" hair.\n\n1/25 samples from the Steppe EMBA cluster (Afanasievo, Poltavka, Yamnaya) that made it have blond hair. Early corded ware shares IBD segments such that there is only a few hundred years of separation of them from Yamnaya."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>41\nWhy do some people just assume indo-europeans have a monopoly on light hair and eyes? I can understand the propaganda potential (It won't rouse many 14-24 year-old malcontents from their faggy complacency if anything will make them more cuntish). the narrative too. But this shithole is meant to have a little scientific discussion."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">Myceneans weren't steppe because picrel shows proves they were all brown\n>posts a fair one\n>ACKSHUALLY the steppe people were brown too\nWhy even focus on single ethnic groups when your true motive is just claiming everyone was brown? This thfead sucks."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nOP didnt imply that with his picture it’s just a Mycenaean picture lmao\nNot everyone uses your infantile logic"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>Why even focus on single ethnic groups when your true motive is just claiming everyone was brown?\nI don't anyone in this thread is talking to each other, including myself. We might just be holding conversations without inner mental complexes. I say this because I have seen no indication the angry greek in this thread is trying to imply everyone was brown or some other kneejerk conclusion you reach in a second."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\n>There is no v88 barcin neolithic sample\nV88 was found in anatolia.\n>The highest steppe Minoan from Lasithi has ~4% Steppe\nNot only they carried steppe but they also carried CHG.\n>Yet 30.3% of them have \"light\" hair\nMeaningless. Its brown.\nAll romanian samples contain CHG and several steppe. Asides EHG\n>1/25 samples from the Steppe EMBA cluster\nExtremely few samples. More so compared to the what, 300 farmers?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>45\nWhy would they be even more fair?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>50\nThere are 16 blond samples in Steppe_EMBA, hijra. Begone."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>V88 was found in anatolia.\nWe have no v88 in neolithic anatolia. Give me the sample ID.\n>CHG\nwhy would CHG be associated with blond hair? Because it has some ANE?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>blond hair was inferred for 1/34 individuals of the\ncombined Yamnaya and Afanasievo cluster\nWhat's the point of lying? I personally don't even find the blond EEF theory terribly convincing, for various reasons."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nWhy wouldn't it? All EEF manifesting light traits evidence either recent introgressions from CHG, WHG or R1 carriers\nConsidered EEF are subsaharan african + natufian there is near null odd of any other proxies"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nWhining goblinito be quiet"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\n>the quote\nWait for somebody to bring the HIrisPlex spreadsheet with those samples then."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\n>EEF are subsaharan african + natufian\nIt's Taforalt, not EEF."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nEEf are just bottlenecked taforalt raped by WHG. Who themselves were black. So they are just some mulattoes.\nEef descendants just as greeks would not be able of carrying light traita if not brought by foreignees. Clearly something descended from SHG"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>16\nBack in 2017 there was a push to ban haploautism from /his/, but people didn't listen. These are the results anon."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThe ancients were right...\nHonestly, all genetics talks should be offloaded to /sci/ so they can enjoy the discord drama. And we can discuss archeology in a normal way."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>>66\nEverybody who whines about \"haploautism\" is poor and brown. You will never defeat Aryan men even in such an inconsiderable beef."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>>62\nok I'll wait.\n>>60\nDepending on how you want to model it, they are like 40% basal.\nI have zero clue how or why some of the farmers samples show it. But regardless of whether it's Steppe or EEF derived you clearly have a small % of carriers to begin with (otherwise corded ware and bell beaker would have more of it). There's no real reason to think that non-CW Steppe migrations carried and selected for it (unless the methodology is wrong)."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>Everybody who whines about \"haploautism\" is poor and brown.\nNo, we are just normal, well-adjusted people who want to talk about history and not your latest discord drama. Besides all the haploautist namefags are brown mutts (the Russian dude, the Pajeet, etc.).\n\nIf these are your \"Aryan\" representatives I don't want to meet the rest..."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>otherwise corded ware and bell beaker would have more of it\nSintasha are literally corded ware offshots and they have more than modern scandinavians"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>>68\nI mean check the kairan sample\nIt had 60% compared to 40% in the saxon and icelandic ones. And kairan is just cwc"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>65\nI would prefer it not get banned as you can still find reasonable conversations after the first 20 bait posts. I just find it ridiculous how paranoid everyone is about who is posting."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nYou're brown as you're ashamed of your heritage. You're poor as you can't afford a genetic test. You're pathetic and desperate, brown poor mongrel.\n>the Russian dude\nA weak attempt, brown mutt. Your descendants wouldn't have got such a level of whiteness even after 1000 years of bleaching (if you weren't an incel).\nStill humanities, btw."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>67\nEveryone who whines about haploautism whiners is ugly and socially inept. You will never be the sintashta, Yamnaya, Andronovo, corded ware, or any other cultures you might want to vicariously live through. You will die as a suburban worm who cannot ride a horse and has never killed a bug or had more than two friends much less participated in a Koryos or anything similar to it. You are as Aryan as a chicken is a dinosaur."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nShe's the whining goblinito"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>70\nFatyanovo and Sintashta are what make me hesitant to say it's farmer as you see a lot of it pop up from what can only be 1-2 generations of admixture.\nThe flip side is that Fatyanovo in particular probably represents a very sharp and small founder population."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\nDude, this you? >>32\n\nYou look like a fucking freak and you live in Siberia. Try getting laid and stop shitting up the board."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nIts obviously SHG derived.\nAs SHG is just ANE + WHG its genetic signatures are often erased if not missed entirely"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nEHG* + WHG"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>75\nNo, a clearly different style.\n>>74\n>you might want to vicariously live through\nProjection, brown degenerate. My ancestors gave me all my undoubtedly noble inherited qualities, your ancestors gave you a room in favela and a couple of deseases.\n>>77\nI can just enter your favellas and be treated as a god."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nThere is no SHG in Fatyanovo or Sintashta."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nIt gets mislabeled as WHG + EHG. They use reductive models"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nCoulda, woulda, shoulda. You are a virgin with deep-seated insecurities about being a mutt. Might give the Russkie recruiting office an anonymous tip since your name is there, so you get drafted and we get the board rid of you."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nGoblin. You're eternal loser."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\n>My ancestors gave me all my undoubtedly noble inherited qualities\nSuch as sitting on a computer with bad posture and arguing with people over haplogroups. Yes, very Aryan. And no matter how Aryan you might be, you still can't speak English for shit.\n>I can just enter your favelas and be treated as a god.\nYou'd be subjected to INSTANT GRINGO DEATH (Happens to every tourist who steps into the wrong slum) and robbed of anything of value you might possess, including your organs."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nI'm not sure how there is any way to get a significant % of SHG in pre-CW to the exclusion of Yamnaya. There's no archeological or genetic trace in pre-IE central europe (no EHG in GAC) and CW and Yamnaya split from each other very recently.\nCW has minutely more EHG/WHG to CHG than Yamnaya but it's hard to imagine that it isn't related to Ukraine foragers. Even if you decide it to be from SHG you're only looking at a few %."}, {"id": 87, "content": "So Minoan B didnt get invaded as commonly believed. Is that it?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\n>it's an actual mexcrement\nAin't I right?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\n>no EHG in GAC\nThere's literally some Steppe in GAC, not even pure EHG or SHG."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nI am a macaco, akshually. Whiter than you regardless. Here's my epic Aryan selfie."}, {"id": 91, "content": "Wogs won."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Amazonian myth was invented by Myceneans because they didn't want to admit they were subjugated lmao"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGriffin warrior wasnt the most elite tomb ever, his tomb is dwarfed by the Steppe Rich R1b brothers who were likely his masters.\nAlso he was not found directly associated with the Tomb, it is likely he was a slave buried within the royal grounds by mistake or due to some \"special\" relationship with his master, likely an R1b man.\nanyway this thread is cope for medbugs because they failed to progress past the Bronze Age technologically."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>35\nDorians replaced the Greeks and Dorians were Central European like.\nThe German government even petitioned the Greek state to release the Dorian samples because they are so similar to Germans they are being considered apart of German history.\nThe Greek state has yet to respond."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>47\nActually they do have Steppe admixture, and only the Anatolian has more than a 10% chance of fair hair.\nIt was three Anatolians, with EHG admixture, no other Anatolians had any light features.\nThey also were shown to have a novel link to the Blonde EHG of Samara who predated them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Islam on such a powerful rise?\nIt is projected that by 2060, the overall global population will increase by 32%, but the Muslim population will increase 70%, being by far the biggest religion.\nWhat is causing this? Why is Islam so appealing?\n>inb4 it's cuz dhey breeed!\nMost of this growth is literally from converts. People are converting en mass, ESPECIALLY Christians.\nWhy is this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do I make my muslim wife dress like a slut in public because it makes me horny?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is this?\nBrownoids are borderline retarded, its not really a coincidence whites and east asians who have the highest iq are irreligious"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not opposed to your argument, but can you give me any data showing that people are mass converting to Islam?\nBecause in my estimation, the strength of Islam is the Shari'ah. You literally can't leave or they'll kill you."}, {"id": 5, "content": "It's literally though because muslims have more children"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMaximum copium."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThe strength of Islam is that it's a practical religion.\nIt's not just a metaphor with no rules like Christianity.\n\n>\"Turn your cheek when someone beats you up\"\n>LoL I'll drop Christianity for a while to wage war"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nSeethe"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Most of this growth is literally from converts.\nEvery study I have seen states the opposite - it's all coming from birth rates and, when switching does occur, it's mostly to the category of irreligious."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Most of this growth is literally from converts. People are converting en mass, ESPECIALLY Christians.\nProve it.\n>Why is this?\nPeople comverting to islam is lostly convicts and dysgenic whores also anti social incels. Mowtly to meme salafisms too.\n>Why is Islam on such a powerful rise?\n>islam will dominate the world\nYou can have 2 billion millet eating muslim peasants but if they don't go forth and do something its for naught. If they don't produce anything those are just eaters eating and milling around.\n>What is causing this?\nSaheliams and pakistanis with gorillions of children. Also indogs. From what I see muslil dawah is very minimal especially outside muslim areas (like the sahel where I assume most converts come from.)\nI want tp have a doscussion abput this please."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Notice how all the Muslim shills never post any data with actual sources. The growth of Islam is entirely due to birthrates and the death penalty for apostasy. Converts are a small percentage of Muslims, conversions to Christianity in the 3rd world far outpace Islam."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nOk but where is the source, please provide it. I accept muslim orgas as long as they aren't some guys blog."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nI don't think you can read Christ's sermon on the mount and not come away with a realisation that He's commanding His followers to embrace nonviolence wholesale. That said, at the corporate level as opposed to the individual, St Paul says that authorities bear the sword of wrath to punish evil doers, and this is according to God's will. I think a plain reading of the NT shows Christianity to be individually pacifistic but corporately retributive."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou can't be violent and Christian then.\nAnd yet.\n\nBasically Christianity is not realistic and practical because you have to drop it sometimes to wage war. Waging war is part of the human condition.\nIslam recognises war. Christianity doesn't."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nTrade offs. Islam recognizes slavery arguably christianity doesn't."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYeah slavery is part of the human capitalist condition.\nPeople are pretty much property sometimes. When you're a wageslave you are basically the property of your manager like the regular slaves back then."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nTurning your cheek doesn't mean be a pussy and never go to war. It means forgive minor offenses. You slapping me is one thing, you invading my country is another. I would certainly kill you if you posed a serious threat."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nThe holy book of islam literally includes laws to deal with slaves."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>You can't be violent and Christian then.\nDid you not read what I wrote? How exactly does it count as \"dropping Christianity\" when Christianity itself endorses forceful retribution at the corporate level? Do you understand the difference between these two terms - corporate and individual? Do you understand that a war is by nature corporate?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot but seriously OP I really want to believe what you say about converts but I haven't been able to locate where you got this info. Can you at least ask in your muslim discord for it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLMAO"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nYeah because it's realistic not idealistic.\n\nChristianity can't be adhered to in order to deal with the realities of the world."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose millions of muslims probably will not kickstart a islamic revival and revitalize the faith. Its an exhausted felaheenic force."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe west and the americas does just fine without legal slavery."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n>The holy book of islam literally includes laws to deal with slaves\nWait till you hear about this thing called the Bible"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThirteenth Amendment, Section 1:Neither slavery norinvoluntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.\n\nSo they have it in prisons in America"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nShow me proof Christianity endorses violence at a mob level but not individual level"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nHe already did, you just weren't paying attention. BTW Jesus Christ himself literally uses violence against the merchants in the temple.\nJohn 2:15\nSo he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.\nChristianity is not a religion that is against violence, but the ideal in any religion is for there to be no violence at all. Obviously. That's what God taught us."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. (Romans 13:3-4).\nThis is clearly an endorsement of forceful retribution at the level of sovereign (i.e. corporate) concern.\n>>28\nThe Greek indicates Christ drove the animals out with a whip and the merchants followed after them - He didn't actually whip any of the men specifically. Still, the above point about the individual v.s. the corporate concern stands."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nHe's talking about the verse where it says the state may bear the sword.\nRomans 13:4\nFor the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>People are converting en mass, ESPECIALLY Christians.\nread the pinned post, you have to provide sources if you are making a claim"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nNo, that is telling christians to not question authority\nAny use of violence goes against what Jessus said, you are not a Christian\nYou are part of the sinagog of satan"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Jesus Christ, the guy who was crucified by the state, wants his followers to not question authority\n?????????"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>7\nSo you have no statistic or source about mass conversions other than subjective \"practically\", lmao behold the greatest muslim intellectual"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>No, that is telling christians to not question authority\nIt says they do not bear the sword in vain and that they are servants of God in executing their wrath in this respect. That's a little more than just \"don't question authority.\" That's an endorsement of terminal force under certain circumstances at the sovereign level.\n>Any use of violence goes against what Jessus said, you are not a Christian\nI am quoting what St Paul wrote. Are you an anti-Pauline Christian? Given that Paul's writings take up nearly two thirds of the NT, and that every Christian Church today endorses him, how is your position tenable?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nAdvocating for the other side here, I think you could probably construct a counter argument as follows: \"Paul is saying that pagan rulers are God's instruments and that their actions - even their violence - should not be actively challenged. This does not, however, constitute an endorsement of violence itself, as God is merely using the evil of these rulers for good, much as He did with the Babylonians. Were these rulers to convert, they would be expected to adopt a pacifistic praxis.\"\n\nThe problem with the above is that it doesn't quite fit the flow of Paul's argument:\n\nRomans 13:1 - All rulers' authority is licit because all authority is given by God.\nRomans 13:2 - Anyone who rebels against this authority is therefore rebelling against God.\nRomans 13:3 - There is therefore nothing to fear from the authorities if you do what is right.\nRomans 13:4 - One function of this licit authority is the right of these rulers to use terminal force when they deem it necessary. Indeed, they are God's servants in this respect, carrying out His wrathful judgement.\n\nWith the above in mind, to assume that Paul would somehow still think that what these rulers were doing was wrong, or that only pagan rulers had such rights, would be to assume too much."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam shill I demand you link me to your discord server. I need to see those spurces."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>10\n>People comverting to islam is lostly convicts and dysgenic whores also anti social incels\nOh, the irony. Early Christian converts in Roman Empire were the same, boy."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nA good chunk of the early converts were soldiers, actually."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nDoesn't invalidate my point. Even Islam attracted warriors all over."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>Early Christian converts in Roman Empire were the same, boy.\nyou have made a positive claim, you should support it with a source."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo one globo abrahomo for another? Don't care for your bullshit.\nDon't care for most pagans either, I have my own personal faith."}, {"id": 43, "content": "Kind of sad that this “religion” is spreading I mean the “prophet” is a literal pedophile, a 50+ years old man marrying s 6 year old and consummating his marriage when she became 9\n\nThere is no abrahamic god"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">still no sources\nWhy are you people so worthless?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nUse your own experience"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nI personally don't know anyone who's converted to Islam, so I guess no one has then., and all the Muslims I have met were raised that way. My personal experience contradicts the claims made by Muslims in this thread, so should I just believe that? Or should I look for researched evidence to to to determine what existing trends actually are? I wonder which one is the better idea?\nJust proving once again how worse you make this board."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts not controlled by cucks(white people)"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased and greenpilled."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nNigger I live in a country with 4 mosques in it, all over. GIVE ME SOURCES."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust give me sources I will accept youtube videos, please."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>17\nNo, it was an insult"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>7\nYou go to war to defend other people, not for revenge."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>2\nCuck"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>10\n>I want tp have a doscussion abput this please.\nAm up"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>39\nNo they weren't. In fact the military was a foremost Pagan institution and some usurpers would LARP as Pagan sympathizers to get support. The Roman military being Pagan while German barbarians were Christian is part of why the Christian Emperors were so happy to collaborate with them.\nMilitaries are raised from the countryside, not the cities. Pagan literally means rural. Put 2 and 2 together for me."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>46\nTbh I am a Christian and lowkey wish I had converted secretly when I had the chance. Oh well. I might still do so, of course. In truth, I am trying to remain open-minded to both faiths."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>5\nThis."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nOkay, try actually having convictions and beliefs and not swaying along whichever way the winds of the culture war blow you.\nLike I said, I live in a part of the US with one of the highest Muslim populations, and I have never met anyone who has converted even though I have met plenty of Muslims. All of the Muslims I've met have been either African American NOI types(if they even count, I'm in one of the few places in the country where these people are still relevant) or immigrants from the Middle East/North Africa/South Asia/Caucus Region/etc. and their children."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Richard Nixon campaign ad for the 1972 election\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceocNS-toDk [Embed]\n\nGeorge McGovern campaign ad for the 1972 election\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z12sKcf4-YA [Embed]\n\nUnironically what the fuck was McGovern thinking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "holy shit seeing a white america in nixons ad was so depressing\nfucking yids"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe probably knew he was going to lose, so his campaign wanted to \"think outside the box\" in the hopes he would somehow win an upset victory, at least that's my guess. Obviously it didn't work"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>DAAA JEEEEWWWWSSSS!!!!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Democratic Party probably hated McGovern more than the Republicans did. In 1972 the Democrats and Republicans both spent about $70 million dollars on their campaigns, but the Democrats burned half that money arguing with each other in the primary while the Republicans spent nearly all of it promoting Nixon. A lot of Democratic party insiders were seething that McGovern won, so he had half Nixon's budget and most of the people who'd run detail work in the party wanted him to hurry up and lose so they could go back to normality, so they weren't exactly desperate to do a good job promoting him.\n\nBasically, imagine if Bernie won the nomination. You'd see a bunch of Democratic party hacks who're not part of the nominee's clique and who expected /theirguy/ to win do everything they could to throw him under the bus and demonstrate his brand of liberalism is deeply unpopular. Hell, even Carter had this problem."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe DNC seem to be a lot more adverse to outsiders than the RNC"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n90s Gillette ads are fashwave-tier by modern comparison\nhttps://youtu.be/mgzHu3pxgG8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe DNC even before the civil war was notoriously top down. There's a reason that Two different Democrats were a choice in the election which saw Lincoln come to power"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Christianity is really all bullshit then why was there so much intellectual effort, military/defense effort or in general \"manpower\" poured into it?\nYou can abstract this to other faiths as well I suppose, if it's really all BS then why all immense calorie burning to build upon the traditions?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause people are retarded and religion is emotionally appealing"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSinking cost fallacy+retards+people indoctrinated in the cult from birth"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Because people are retarded\nClearly not, the old Church fathers were very intelligent.\n>Religion is emotionally appealing\nDepends on the religion and the individual."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nYou salty fedoras are so hateful towards anything that makes you accountable for your behavior. It’s no coincidence that atheism and deviance have grown in strength simultaneously over the past century. They insist upon each other."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Clearly not, the old Church fathers were very intelligent.\nThey weren't intelligent enough to figure out that men can't rise from the dead\n>Depends on the religion and the individual.\nThis is all religions, they make no rational appeals so emotion is all that remains"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nAnother case of the religious appealing to emotion"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nChristianity doesn't hold you accountable, quite the opposite. If you do something but regret it later, you're fine and still getting eternal bliss in heaven. Plus any mistakes you make don't matter because they pale in comparison of the eternal bliss/suffering that everyone will feel."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m sure it was of no benefit to kings and lords that their serfs believed their poverty and suffering was noble and they were going to live forever at death if they didn’t kill the serfs or steal from their lords.\nI’m sure the village priest and lord did not have a mutual beneficial relationship in regards to pacifying any rage and sense of wasted life in the serfs."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nMitigating societal decay isn’t emotion.\n>>8\nIt has to be truly heartfelt to be forgiven."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThat is a meme take, serfs led normal lives and were promoted to nobility all the time in certain periods.\nIt's also not like old \"lords\" jacked off while doin g nothing, they had to be in the vanguard for battle to reap the societal benefits. And Christianity helped them be braver in the face of death."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>Admit Jesus didn’t rise and we let you go. Continue in this madness and we execute you painfully.\n>They all chose death.\nYep. Why would I trust what they said they saw? I mean, based on their writings, clearly people who loved wealth and lying, so had lots of both, right? This Christianity thing was making first century Christians wealthy and powerful, right?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>serfs led normal lives and were promoted to nobility all the time\nInsane levels of Christian cope. Go ahead man, post examples of it happening sometimes and then act like serfs getting promoted to nobility was the norm"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>It has to be truly heartfelt to be forgiven.\nLmao yeah so what? You just feel really bad about something and it's all fine. That's not responsibility."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nOkay but why would people become Christian in the face of overwhelming persecution, including execution, by state authorities themselves?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>Admit Jesus didn’t rise and we let you go. Continue in this madness and we execute you painfully.\nDo you actually have proof of this?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWhy would people risk their life or give away their lives for bullshit?\nSome of you on this board right now have decided to dedicate your entire lives to Christianity and self ostracizing when you literally do not believe in it because you don’t like Reddit or liberals."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nNoble titles were bought when peasants had good harvests, in certain cycles a lot and in certain cycles not a lot.\nPeasants could also go to war and get the title there."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou are talking about le reddit culture war nonsense and I'm trying to have a legitimate conversation"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSome of you have gone all in on something you know is a LARP, history is full of people ruining and wasting and giving their lives for stupid ideas. Christians are just another example"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>Mitigating societal decay isn’t emotion.\ni don't see christians tackling the housing crisis, which is the number one threat to society (being trad as a rentoid is literally impossible)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nno in both respects. happy merchant man could afford to gain a title of \"nobility\" (in reality never coming with land and only serving to distinguish them from other rabble) and the best a good peasant soldier could hope for was becoming a man-at-arms"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If Christianity is really all bullshit then why was there so much intellectual effort, military/defense effort or in general \"manpower\" poured into it?\nIf you feel this way now, just wait until you visit the Vatican Museums: the Raphael Rooms, the Sistine Chapel, etc."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nDon't care, a man rising from the dead is a hundred times less likely than some people being deluded or lying imprudently"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNTA but probability calculus makes the resurrection seem plausible, Plantinga made work on this IIRC."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nWell then my literature is wrong."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>12\n>They all chose death.\nlol we have accounts from the middle ages of christians converting to judaism of all fucking things and you think threatened with death they all chose jeebus?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nyour ass does not produce literature"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>16\nYes. Of course. They’re all over the internet. Just look them up on Wikipedia. Very common occurrence was worship this idol, offer pagan sacrifice, or be excecuted. Happened all the time in first century till then traditional end of persecution."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>6\n>they make no rational appeals\nThere's plenty rational appeals..."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nhow do you measure probability on an event (man rising from dead) which has never happened\n>>30\nstill waiting for them"}, {"id": 32, "content": "this thread is so weird"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>24\n>Don’t care\nI know. I cannot soften your heart to accept truth. But please do not pretend you have any place to spout your opinion as truth. You know damn well your testimony would fall short before one of those men (or women). You can offer no challenge to their witness. They passed a test you cannot. Perhaps they had power beyond your understanding?\nYou see, we have writing from them. We know they were men who held their lives preciously. Your thesis is unsupported by any evidence. So if you think this is true, let’s see you marshal some evidence. Show me they were deluded. Who deluded them? Who lied to them? Show me the conspiracy."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>13\nWrong century cum stain"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nMeant for >>27\nSorry about that. Thought you are a disappointment to your father as well, no doubt"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nI’m sure angrily posting on 4chan is exactly the type of man your father set out on raising"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>So if you think this is true, let’s see you marshal some evidence. Show me they were deluded.\nI apply a simple test: what is likelier, the fraud of the fact? Is it likelier that they should lie or be deluded, or that a man should rise from the dead? And so I immediately realize that the former is a hundred times likelier, since men lie, or are deluded, all the time, but no man ever has risen from the dead"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nLOL. Yep."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nBut the claim is he was the man given power over life and death. He raised Lazarus too. People saw Lazarus walking around. It not only happened, it happened twice and people hostile to Jesus recognized these things happened."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nWe have their report that this happened, but of course it is incredible for the aforementioned reasons"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nThen where is the tomb of Jesus. Jews had every reason to make sure everyone knew where that tomb is if there was a body in it. I would expect they would put any body they could find, just to show it and prove the dead guy was not actually walking around like the Christians were claiming."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nI don't know what they were thinking, I just know that the grossest error on their part is likelier than a man rising from the dead"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nLazarus too"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nSo a man is walking around and you think they would see him as a dead man?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nWell if they thought he died before"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nSo your theory is the Romans are bad at executions? They don’t know what a dead body with stab wounds and massive blood loss looks like? The body was stolen?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nMy theory is that the authors of the gospels were lying or deluded because this happens all the time whereas men rising from the dead never happens"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>39\nwe only have a story telling us that people hostile to jesus recognized these things happened."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nExcept if it did happen, it would cause a radical realignment of a witness’s entire life. And witnessing event would have to happen to large numbers of people in different locations and times. If that happened, that might constitute extraordinary proof. Whereas your assertion has no proof, and is contradicted by available writings from the time."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>31\n>how do you measure probability on an event (man rising from dead) which has never happened\n\nSee the Appendix of Richard Swinburne - The Resurrection of God Incarnate"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nA lot of people claiming something incredible doesn't make it credible\n>>50\nWhat part of that argument strikes you as believable"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\noh my namedropping.\nsummarize the argument in your words or concede that you have no idea about it, therefore you are incompentent to claimit is a valid argument."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nThat seems to me to be the very definition of credible.\nThousands of people give credence to a claim because they witness the events being claimed. That means it is credible. By definition."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nNo \"credible\" means \"able to be believed\", thousands of people claiming that pigs fly or men rise from the dead is not \"credible\""}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nBut thousands did believe. You mean it’s not credible to YOU. They witnessed a thing and said it happened. You witnessed nothing and want to smear them all gullible liars.\nAlright. I’m done here. Very definition of invincible ignorance."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nThey're in the wrong for believing\n>They witnessed a thing\nThey didn't, they are lying or deluded"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>16\nWe have letters from roman statemen expressing frustration and disbelief that the christians wouldn't recant their beliefs (pliny the younger and trajan's letters spring to mind). The romans didn't take persecution lightly, and they mostly didn't want to execute the christians; the christians PREFERRED execution to betraying their faith.\n\nthe thing everyone forgets about the persecutions is that it was based around protecting the state. people were allowed to follow any faith they liked in rome, so long as they also performed sacrifices on behalf of the emperor. The emperor was a god who needed libations performed on his behalf, and the christians flatly refused to do it, even on pain of death.\n\nPeople also forget that the persecutions weren't one thing, nor were they continuous. Mostly they were highly localized, conducted by particular administrators on their own discretion. A useful way to think of it might be as an extension of that classic Roman absolute- brutality style punishment. \"you fucked up, so we're going to punish you so painfully that nobody who hears about your fuckup will ever consider fucing up in this way ever again\". christianity spread in spite of this, and by the time of the 3rd century crisis was just another one of the problems anyone who wanted to call themselves emperor would have to deal with. That the only empire wide persecution was conducted under diocletian makes sense; he was trying to solve one more problem on his checklist.\n\nBasically what I'm saying is that christians beat the romans at their own game. There's no punishment so brutal which you can dole out to someone that it will make them not want to be brutalized. The romans adopted christianity into their state, and then christianity became the new law, spreading across the world until the present day."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nWhat? Why would people see a thing then disbelieve they saw a thing because they never saw thing before? Seems to me they saw a thing, were rational and changed their lives to conform to implications of thing they saw."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nThere are Muslim jihadis who blow themselves up in the name of some illiterate goatfucker. The fact that some Christians martyred themselves doesn't prove the resurrection happened. It proves that religion does funny things to people's minds."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nSo, Muhammad doesnt exist?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\ndo try to reproduce in full the spastic train of thought you followed to the end of posting something like this."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nThere is ample evidence this is due to a dysfunctional honor culture populated by incel perverts."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nIt doesn't matter either way to my point. Japanese WW2 pilots kamikazed themselves for their god-emperor. None of this extremist behavior proves the trurh for their beliefs."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\nThey didn't see the thing. They are lying about seeing the thing, or they wrongly imagine they saw the thing. What is difficult to grasp in this?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nBecause thousands died claiming they saw the thing and could have lived if they stopped saying they saw the thing and there is a deafening lack of people who recanted. Your position isn’t supported by evidence.\nWhat is so hard to understand about this?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs you said, it applies to other faiths as well. Any answer you have should reflect other faiths too. \"If the Aztec Pantheon is bullshit, why sacrifice thousands of people to it?\" Here are some possible explanations.\n>Religion has a societal value divorced from its validity. We know that Christians give more to charity than Atheists, for example. Perhaps people who are religious just sincerely become better citizens.\n>It is, from the point of view of a detractor, a social contagion or mass hysteria. \"It is believed because it is believed,\" so it is only logical that we would - in turn - waste resources on it.\n>There is an active beneficiary to empowering the church (whether that be by giving it gifts, giving it lands to administer, building temples for it, etc.) in the form of the clergy. They can use these resources to achieve whatever ends they desire. As such, they will use any resources given to them as tools to acquire more resources. Thus, wealth and power are turned over to the church because the church demands it, not out of sincere faith or genuine utility.\nBecause of these reasons, even an entirely fabricated religion could entrench itself in any society. The stranger question, however, is why faith and spiritualism is so ubiquitous to human societies. Wouldn't someone foil the ruse, somewhere?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat picture is heresy"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nBecause it is still likelier for men to lie imprudently or be deluded, because this happens all the time, but people never rise from the dead"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\n>thousands died claiming they saw the thing\nthis isn't even part of your delusional textual canon."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\n\nHow is it heresy?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nImage a hypothetical where you saw a man rise from the dead. What more proof would you want than your eyes? In this hypothetical you cannot test the body before the resurrection because you were not expecting it, and it was only going to happen once. The people certifying he is dead are experts at making people dead and did the killing. The people certifying the dead guy is alive know the man very well and would not fall for an imposter. Witnesses include the man’s mother who held the dead body."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nYou can claim whatever number makes you happy. Still happened"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nIf I saw it, perhaps, but I have not seen it, I only have the testimony of men who claim they have seen it, and their testimony is not trustworthy as they claim an impossibility"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nWell then you should study the character of the men making the claim. I suspect you would find many of them honorable, intelligent, and skeptical."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nRather I must first study the nature of the claim, and discover that it is at variance with everything we know about the operation of nature, so that it becomes immediately more likely that the men making the claim are lying or deluded"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause power"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>66\n>why faith and spiritualism is so ubiquitous to human societies\nIt's an evolutionary strategy that we developed somewhere down the line from full ape to modern humans. Makes us bond closer together and have a higher chance to live another day and pass our genes.\n\nI don't have the source of this, but once I read there was an experiment that looked at isolated communes of people who would just go live in the woods and the results showed that people who were not religious would dissolve the communes a couple years down the line, while the religious communes endured for way longer.\n\nThat perfectly illustrates for me the purpose of religion.\nIt's dull and uninteresting, and entertains nothing related to the transcendent or about the universe.\n\nWe don't live in isolated tribes, city states or the like anymore, we are a globalized world wide civilization, so this strategy seized to be useful. \"Religion\" is a leftover from our incredibly fast evolutionary development in the last 10.000 years."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nI hope you never serve on a jury.\nIf didn't see it it didn't happen is not a good standard of proof."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\nAnd you do not have any evidence they are liars or gullible. Show me a history of lying and gullibility."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nyou do know your feet rest upon the fumes of religion? Your civilization is in unstoppable decline. Your people have evolved beyond nothing, and your place in the dust in of history is already established."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nAs always, fpbp and spbp\nParticularly the part about being indoctrinated from birth.\n\nChristians act like there's this overwhelming pile of positive evidence to suggest that this really happened and so it proves this religion is the true one. But no such evidence exists and they make sure they leave out details, context and crucial data as to make it seem more believable and not completely moronic.\n\nThere's more \"evidence\" that the Angel Moroni appeared to some of the people who founded Mormonism for fucks sake. You have like a dozen or so REAL first hand accounts (Unlike the gospels, Paul's letter and the rest of the new testament) written by the people that saw it and stood for what they saw until their deaths.\n\nMan I guess Mormons where right this whole time!"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>79\nHave you ever heard of falsifiability?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n2 more weeks and western civilization collapses because we stopped believing in the fictional character featured in jewish mythology called Jahweh and his legendary son who was based on an apocalyptic preacher."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nCope."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nNice dodge."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>62\nFor real dawg!"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>78\nI hope you never become a judge, you'll believe the accused walked on water just because someone told you so\n>>79\nWhatever their history, them lying or being deluded is infinitely more likely than a man rising from the dead"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nSays you, but there are people in prison today because of the word of one person plus evidence a thing happened.\nPlus we are talking about a people explicitly forbidden from false witness. Seems legit to me"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nin this case we only have words and NO evidence"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>81\nAn empty tomb an multiple books and letters about a man seems to be enough for most people."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\n>reports of a man rising from the dead are sufficent that he rose from the dead"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You can abstract this to other faiths as well I suppose, if it's really all BS then why all immense calorie burning to build upon the traditions?\nWell, they can't all be right- they contradict each other."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nThere was no empty tomb, and the books and letters about the man were written by people who never met him.\n\nWhat seems to be enough for most people is feeling good and following what their family, friends or pastor says is true. Not the \"evidence\". Religion is not about being convinced rationally of something, it's a sociological and emotional phenomenon (although halfwit apologists would try to convince you of the contrary)"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nSo, uh, where is this tomb with Jesus's body in it?\nAlso, Objectively not true what you claim. Mark's Gospel are what he wrote down from the Apostle Peter. Matthew seems to be the Apostle Mattius. Luke was written with St. Paul as they interviewed every disciple they could find who had original sources to Jesus (fair point on this one to you, Paul only met Jesus after His assumption). But the sources were primary or secondary. And John was by the Apostle John."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>91\nYeah, pretty much. Enough people see a thing you know it's true. You're not a flat earther are you?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>Enough people see a thing you know it's true\nFlat earthers \"clearly\" see the earth is flat, and have probably created orders of magnitude more material and documentation to support their ideas than your little 2nd century manuscripts of the gospels written by anonymous authors that all copy each other adding more made up stories along the way using copies of copies of copies.\n\nThe real question if why YOU aren't a flat earther."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>8\nYeah no retard. Actually read it instead of listening to soundbites. You can't just plan to do a bad thing like rape a guy and plan to repent after. You're still going to hell unless you mean that and premediating shit isn't heartfelt."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCynical Manipulators controlling True Believers i.e. Useful Idiots for their own ends, per usual."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">I spent so much time, resources, and effort to this, so it must be true!!!!\n\nCommie logic, but at least commies limited themselves to socio-economics."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nNobody said that, retard. You can't plan to rid yourself of responsibility, but you nevertheless are forgiven for any shit you do as long as you feel genuinely sorry. That's the whole appeal of Christianity."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>96\nWell that’s why I think you might be a flat earther. They deny evidence they can’t experience themselves. Fits closely with your viewpoint I’d say. I can accept evidence presented by others without having to experience it myself to accept it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if they were actually five million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why do you hate the Jews? Are you an antisemite?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScholars say it was about 5.7 million and it was just rounded up to 6 million, this i heard already in my childhood and the hebrew school"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJAIL HIM NOW\n\n>>3\nI’m learning Hebrew too so I can expose what Jews and Zionists are saying about us gentiles to the masses"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>He fell for the Duolingo meme"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDuolingo is actually good for getting the basics of the language down, but if you use it after a month you're clinically retarded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>basics of the language\nAt best it's useful for getting familiar with some vocabulary but for everything else you're wasting your time."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHearing vocab once in context is better than studying it for a thousand hours."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow dare you?\nHOW DARE YOU?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>us gentiles\nYou're not White"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI don't think you know what gentile means."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if it's 6,000,001?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nIt means non-Jew but generally synonymous with white people (which that shitskin will never be)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nHi, Seth Rogen."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nSounds unrealistic\n6 million on its own is pretty hard to believe, but six million and one is just ludicrous"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why nobody talks about SEA region here? I know nothing about it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll their civilization is a copy of foreign stuff (Indians, Chinese, Arabs, and Westerners)."}, {"id": 3, "content": "what counts? is burma/vietnam SEAmonkey"}, {"id": 4, "content": "all the seamonkeys are in /vt/"}, {"id": 5, "content": "there be dragons"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Mir Aimal Kansi was an unusual person to sit on Virginia's death row, a Pakistani national who committed an act of pre-9/11 terrorism when he shot two CIA employees and wounded three outside the agency's Langley headquarters in 1993.\n\nKansi, an ethnic Pashtun, was born in Quetta, Pakistan in 1964. When his father died in 1989, Kansi inherited a substantial sum from his estate which he used to travel to the United States with forged papers. He also got a fraudulent green card in Miami. In 1991, Kansi and a Kashmiri friend, Zahid Mir, rented an apartment together in Reston, Virginia and he got a job as a courier. It was near the CIA's headquarters and Kansi would often see employees driving to and from work. He became obsessed with the idea of targeting the place.\n\nOn January 25, 1993, Kansi borrowed Zahid's 1981 Datsun station wagon and drove to Route 123 in Fairfax County where CIA employees were driving to work, and opened fire with a semi-automatic T56 rifle, a Chinese-made AK-47, that he had bought at a Chantilly gun shop. Two men, Frank Darling and Lanson Bennett, were killed, while three others were injured. Kansi got in his car and drove off. He went to a park, waited an hour and 30 minutes, and noticed no police activity in the area or any indication that he was being followed, so he went back home to Reston. Kansi watched the news on TV that evening where he learned that police thought a white male was responsible, and they did not think the shootings had any connection to the victims' place of employment. However, it was also obvious that they mistook the Datsun Kansi was driving for a first generation Ford Escort, a rather similar-looking vehicle, and nobody had gotten its license plate number."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The next day, Kansi got on a plane back to Pakistan. The FBI and Virginia police began searching local gun stores for sales records of AK-47s; over 1,600 had been sold in the Chantilly area in the past year alone. They found that Kansi had bought one the previous December, and Zahid Mir had told police his roommate had gone missing the last two days. A search of his apartment located the weapon under a green tarp. Ballistics tests matched it to the bullets used on the victims. On February 16, Kansi was indicted in absentia on two counts of first degree murder. Zahid told investigators that Kansi spent a lot of time watching the news on TV and had become angered at US involvement in Middle Eastern politics, particularly the Gulf War, the Israel-Palestine conflict, and CIA meddling in the politics of Islamic countries. He had talked variously of wanting to shoot up the White House, the CIA's headquarters, or the Israeli embassy.\n\nFor four years, US investigators launched an international search for Kansi that took them as far as Thailand without success. He was hiding out in Afghanistan, sheltered by fellow Pashtuns, and mostly avoided Pakistan. It was not until May 1997 when they had a break. An informant reported that he knew where Kansi was and that the people sheltering him were now aware of the huge bounty offered for his capture and would be willing to betray him to US authorities for it. The informant said that he would lure Kansi into Pakistan where he could be apprehended more easily by offering to help him smuggle Russian electronics items across the border."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Kansi watched the news on TV that evening where he learned that police thought a white male was responsible\nThis is considered white in America."}, {"id": 4, "content": "On the night of June 15, Kansi was arrested in a Dera Ghazi Khan hotel room by FBI agents and Pakistani security forces. He was extradicted to the US to stand trial for murder and confessed in full to the shootings. He said he was angry at US foreign policy in the Middle East, that he'd stopped shooting only because there was nobody left to shoot, and he purposely shot only male targets; he believed shooting women was immoral and went against Islamic teachings. Kansi was also surprised that he got away from the crime scene without anything happening; he expected to die in a gun battle with police or CIA personnel.\n\nHe was tried in Fairfax County Superior Court on two counts of first degree murder, three counts of attempted murder, and use of a deadly weapon in the commission of the murders. Kansi pled innocent to all charges; he was found guilty and sentenced to death. Shortly after the guilty verdict was handed down, a couple of US oil executives and their cab driver were gunned down in Karachi in an apparent revenge attack.\n\nKansi was executed via lethal injection in Virginia's state pen on November 14, 2002. As his last words, he said \"Allah be praised!\" The body was flown back to Pakistan for burial; the funeral was attended by the entire civil hierarchy of Balochistan, the local Pakistan Army Corps Commander and the Pakistani Ambassador to the United States, Ashraf Jahangir Qazi."}, {"id": 5, "content": "bless that magnificent bastard. i wish he'd done more. he should have killed 50 CIA guys and firebombed Israeli embassy while he was at it."}, {"id": 6, "content": "fucking bullshit, man\n\n>kill two glowniggers\n>their glownigger buddies will conduct a worldwide search for you and make sure you're brought to justice\n>if he'd just shot up some cashier at a Burger King and fled back to Pakistan nobody would care"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nnice double dubs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I want a bf that looks like this.\nWhere can i find"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Fuck i thought i was on /int/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\nSubhuman faggot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nincel chud you will never reproduce"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nneither will you degenerate"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I made a genetic framework for nafris.\n\nAny advice for future improvement?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's perfect"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThanks bud appreciate it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPut a set of those dots they use in genetic studies within the triangle to show relative admixture of different nafri populations like moroccan, algerian, tunisian, berber etc. Most should obviously plot towards the negroid corner of course."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Any advice for future improvement?\nThrowing it in the trash, Berbers are an older race than Spaniards for example.\n\nBerbers are mostly unrelated to all 3 groups, especially Negroes."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nt. Bilal Al Nafri, Banlieu resident and professional NEET"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Most should obviously plot towards the negroid corner of course.\nThey would plot in the middle of Spaniards and Arabs, but with a small shift towards Negroes.\n\nTarget: Riffian\nDistance: 8.9543% / 0.08954323\n46.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon\n39.8 Saudi\n13.8 Yoruba\n\n>>6\nMy gf is indeed Riffian-French, but I'm not. Arab + Spaniard + Negro is a bad 3-Way Model for Berbers. It's like making a random Latvian (Super European) + Saudi (Super Arab) + Yoruba (Super Negro), it's not good. Spaniards and Berbers under this model:\n\nTarget: Riffian\nDistance: 11.4379% / 0.11437950\n63.4 Saudi\n22.6 Latvian\n14.0 Yoruba\n\nTarget: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon\nDistance: 9.8014% / 0.09801441\n62.0 Latvian\n37.6 Saudi\n0.4 Yoruba\n\nMy people:\n\nTarget: Lebanese_Christian\nDistance: 8.2352% / 0.08235242\n76.6 Saudi\n23.4 Latvian"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Spaniard\nWhats the point of making a nafri matrix if one of the sides is a nafri itself?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Saudi (Super Arab)\nThey are literal mulattoes including yemen"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nG25's Saudi average has no SSA admixture."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nlel"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nbullshit made up by levantine chuds, the people closest to basal eurasians and natufians are in the arab peninsula\nif they got any black blood (saudis got 7%) it's from somalis anyway"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're mental illness isn't getting better, you're about as bad as this crazy canadian mutt who keeps arguing that Moors and Egyptians wuzz black.\n\nSad to see we're still living rent free in your head after all these years, you'll have to let go one day."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\ni'm surprised no one has posted the edit yet"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>bullshit made up by levantine\n>meanwhile every other arab"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\n13% will not cause a small drift towards negroes but a big one, because they are so distant from Eurasians. Nafri negro pull is powerful."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat makes them so inclined towards antisocial behaviour?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nIt would be small, 13% isn't much and more than half of the 13% is actually related to ANA and getting misread as Yoruba because of the shitty model.\n\nRiffians are barely 6% Yoruba-like."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\n>they would plot in the middle of Spaniards and Arabs\nNo they would not. They literally plot on their own SSA cline to the exclusion of all west eurasians"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSpaniards and arabs have basal (subsaharan) dna."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Moroccans and other nafris are just light skinned blacks"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nLooks italian"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nLight skinned? I wouldn't even go that far."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nThey go in the negro corner"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\nyou wish"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>7\n>tfw you're 15% black african and 25% taforaltoid negro but don't want to admit it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>12\nsaudis have black blood from mixing with their tanzanian slaves. everyone shifts the blame to omanis instead"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>15\nthe average tanzanian/arab mix aka the average omani and 25-30% of saudis"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nYou will never be white Pedro. You and nafris are both mutts"}, {"id": 30, "content": "It depends on ze country my friend..."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>southernmost iberians\nportuguese and canarians"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\nEn-Nesyri isn't a regular Berber, but one with visibly recent SSA ancestry, no one in my gf's Moroccan family looks like him.\n\nHere's a simple 2D PCA, like I said Riffians and Kabyles would plot between Spaniards and Arabs, but with a small shift towards Yorubas.\n\n>>26\nI'm Lebanese."}, {"id": 33, "content": "Aryan Berber + predominantly Blacc\n\nThis is how the \"Moroccan.distinctive look\" is created."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nwhat is this, mtDNA?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>aryan\n>berber\nKEKKKKK. I have noticed with Moroccans it is usually their mothers who look blacker…his mom looks like she’s straight out of Sudan"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnafris are mainly berber, soutehrn euro, and arab. negro admixture is very minimal"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nthats not the distinctive moroccan but the distinctive 9ahwi mutt look, its not universal of morrocco."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAll nafris in Europe look like this"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>10\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Saudis"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>33\nis this the nafri version of boganoffs?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nbecause the poor nafris who go to europe look like that"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>poor nafris\nSo the entirety of the population then"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nthere are rich arab urbanites and berber chieftains who will never migrate to europe"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nI know Saudi Arabia is filled with negro and mulatto Arabs, but the G25 Saudi average doesn't have SSA admixture."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>38\nb.s."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>negro and mulatto arabs\nThey’re just arabs."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nI agree completely, if their baba is Arab, their claim to Arabness is valid."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nnafris are diverse, berbers don't look like Hakimi, but mixed berbers and arabs do"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">My political philosophy is based around sicing BBC on white women"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Another seething masonazo making a Paco Franco thread, move along folks nothing to see here. Triunfa España."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Falangism post-rivera?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommon Franco W"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>North Africans are black\n\nRetard moment"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did Franco look so Mexican? I though Galicia was supposed to be one of the whitest parts of Spain"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\ntheir penises are"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI wouldn't know, ask your free love girlfriend commucuck"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">Nooooo, the BBC bull MUST be a violent savage who hates my country and is coming to destroy it, otherwise my borderline bestiality fetish can't be satisfied!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\njajaja qué cabrones los rojos, al final los que comieron polla mora fueron ellos"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDamn. maybe horseshoe theory is true after all."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe never actually said that"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Frank Ramsey\n>Mathematician, Philosopher, and Economist\n>Friends with Wittgenstein and was the first english translator of his work (while still an undergrad)\n>Learned Wittgenstein level German in only one year\n>Corresponded with Keynes\n>Described by his contemporaries as a reborn Isaac Newton\n>Died at only 26 from swimming in a dirty river\nThe world is such bullshit this isn't fair bros. Why does a cunt like Henry Kissinger live to be 100 and these people die young"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Henry Gwyn Jeffreys Moseley (/ˈmoʊzli/; 23 November 1887 – 10 August 1915) was an English physicist, whose contribution to the science of physics was the justification from physical laws of the previous empirical and chemical concept of the atomic number. This stemmed from his development of Moseley's law in X-ray spectra.\n>Moseley's law advanced atomic physics, nuclear physics and quantum physics by providing the first experimental evidence in favour of Niels Bohr's theory, aside from the hydrogen atom spectrum which the Bohr theory was designed to reproduce. That theory refined Ernest Rutherford's and Antonius van den Broek's model, which proposed that the atom contains in its nucleus a number of positive nuclear charges that is equal to its (atomic) number in the periodic table.[1][2] This remains the accepted model today.\n>When World War I broke out in Western Europe, Moseley left his research work at the University of Oxford behind to volunteer for the Royal Engineers of the British Army. Moseley was assigned to the force of British Empire soldiers that invaded the region of Gallipoli, Turkey, in April 1915, as a telecommunications officer. Moseley was shot and killed during the Battle of Gallipoli on 10 August 1915, at the age of 27. Experts have speculated that Moseley could otherwise have been awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1916.[3][4]\nChurchill was a retard reason N°16897438"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe had chad physiognomy too. What a waste of genetic stock"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nClearly his genetic stock was inferior if a little dirty water killed him"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>1 (OP)\nThe river in question isn't all that dirty btw, it's not like he was swimming in the wastewater known as the thames."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nTbf who knows what the Cam was like in 1930. It can be clean nowadays but nasty as shit back when."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be super intelligent (I swear)\n>go swimming in infected water\n>die\ndoesn't sound that bright to me\nPeople like this will always get eulogized after death. Unless he actually achieved tangible things, I don't care. While I'm impressed that he was bilingual, I guess?, I don't see any math or econ achievements worth noting."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nkek'd"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nI wouldn't swim in that shit today, let alone back then. The rivers in my town are kept pristine and come directly from mountain run-off.\nAvoid fresh water if it looks at all contaminated. Easy way to catch pneumonia and die, as this very stable genius figured out."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nHe honestly looks like a know-it-all faggot, no cap."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nHe was only 26, the point is that he could have made contributions had he been given more time. The fact that he already had multiple achievements in mathematics and philosophy to get him cited today, at an age before most people have even finished a masters, is commendable."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nturns out an expert on something can be a massive retard on something else."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nHistory is full of people who could have done great and interesting things. Virtually every premature death is considered one of them, in fact."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did revolutionary France decriminalize homosexuality?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheism and \"\"\"\"equality\"\"\"\" will always lead to sexual deviance and immorality"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they were radicals. After the French Revolution, they decided that Christianity was wrong and they decided to destroy as much of it as they could. They sent armies against the Catholics of Vendee to exterminate them because they wanted Catholicism exterminated in France."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Let's say (for whatever reason) the German Empire is not threatened with a two-front war with both France and Russia, but instead formulates its entire national defensive strategy about defeating ONLY France.\n\nHow does this change what we know as the Schlieffen plan? Does Germany still gamble by attacking through Belgium to destroy France?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would Germany only be fighting France in a war that only started because of Austria, Serbia, and Russia?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe reason I was asking because I am working on an alternate timeline where Austria, Germany, and Russia are in an alliance together against the other European powers (there's a lot more to it than that but I don't want to complicate things). Anyway, in that scenario where Germany is not concerned about their eastern border, would they still attack through Belgium and try to rush down France as fast as possible?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n\nIts an impossible scenario because it eliminated ww1 completely.\nIf Russia and Austria are friends, then a global war will have to ignite from a different reason, but its going to be less likely for France to commit to any escalations when Germany has free hands.\n\nThis was exactly the policy Bismarck was pushing for, and while Russia was friendly to Germany and Britain was indifferent, France didnt make any moves. It wasnt until Wilhelm came along and began his supreme diplomatic autism that France gained a coallition strong enough to challenge Germany."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nIgnoring the logic of the scenario, they'd still go through Belgium, only that they would be more patient about it instead of zerg rushing. There was no other option, the border was too well fortified, going across the alps was of course a no go, going through the Jura doesn't allow much room for manuever aswell as still being fairly rough terrain, and going via sea would either be very risky or impossible, depending on whether the British navy is on Frances side."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>This was exactly the policy Bismarck was pushing for, and while Russia was friendly to Germany and Britain was indifferent, France didnt make any moves. It wasnt until Wilhelm came along and began his supreme diplomatic autism that France gained a coallition strong enough to challenge Germany.\nStop being a dumbass. The League of Three Emperors collapsed twice in the span of a decade. The Reinsurance Treaty was in no way sustainable in the long-term and attitudes at the head of Russia were in no way positive towards Germany."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis was the conceit of the Schlieffen plan--that France could be knocked out quickly before turning east to fight Russia. It failed not only because of the failures of implementing the Schlieffen plan, but because Russia mobilized far quicker than the Germans thought they would and launched a serious invasion of East Prussia. If they hadn't been stopped at Tannenberg the Russians could have swept west and even threatened Berlin in 1915.\n\nIf anything, what Germany \"should have\" done with hindsight was fight a purely defensive war with France in the West while committing a much greater share of their forces to the east and Balkans."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Historically speaking, what would happen if the German Empire (and Wallonia) became a colossal anchovy pizza?\n\nPs: harcore mode - The Russian Empire also becomes a massive publix sub."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>If anything, what Germany \"should have\" done with hindsight was fight a purely defensive war with France in the West while committing a much greater share of their forces to the east and Balkans.\nWould Britain have joined the war in such a scenario? Wouldn't France have tried to attack through Belgium if Germany had not? I imagine France would be granted permission from the submissive Belgians to pass through but this would still violate their intrinsic neutrality and compel Britain to join the war on Germany's side."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nIn that scenario war never happens because Germany would btfo France 100%. Thus France would never provoke Germany into a war."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nBelgium was a pretext for Britain's fears of Germany dominating the continent. They would find an excuse to join the Allies at some point."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nLe Bismarck genius meme. You can't have Austria-Hungary and Russia in the same alliance, there were too many conflicts in the Balkans. He tried again and again and kept failing again and again. So he picked Austria-Hungary as favorite ally and desperately tried to neutrality Russia. Which was never going to work. The whole Bismarck system was stupid and meant to fail from the very beggining, but at least bought Germany some time.\n\nEven if for some miracle he managed to settle all disputes between A-H and Russia, in the face of growing German power Russia would be naturally more inclined to side with Germany's enemies than be a junior partner in that alliance, a vassal of a mighty Germany."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>Would Britain have joined the war in such a scenario?\nMaybe, maybe not. The British cabinet was deeply divided over whether they should be neutral or fight with the French, until the Schlieffen plan was put into action. That they would join the Germans over Belgium, however, is hard to imagine.\nThe Treaty of London was literally a scrap of paper, but one very useful for the Liberal Imperialist clique to convince the rest of the cabinet, the parliament, and the country in general to go to war against Germany. It wouldn't have worked the other way around as nobody wanted to go to war with France (for Russia it's a different story, but Russia wasn't going to invade Belgium)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>>12\n\nLuxury of arguing in hindsight does not mean you're clever or that the people at the time were dumb.\n\nIt made sense then, because Germany was diplomatically stable while the alliance lasted, even if it turned out that it wasnt viable.\nThat wasnt the fault of Germany specifically that AH and Russia simply couldnt cooperate.\n\nNow, we're not discussing IRL history so I dont even know why the fuck both of you brought this topic up in the first place. OP is looking for an alt-history scenario when this alliance DOES work, and I was responding to the very fucking thing you pointed out: That Germany was diplomatically safe and stable under this alliance, and that France would largely be very cautious and cooperative with Germany while they were in this disadvantage."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>Ignoring the logic of the scenario, they'd still go through Belgium\n\nWhy?\nWhy are you so certain?\nThe whole point of the Schlieffen plan was because of Russia.\nSo why are you so sure they would still do it?\n\nThey wanted a quick knock-out blow before Russia could mobilize.\nThats why Germany declared war on France, before Russia had even declared war on ANYONE.\nIt was because Russia was mobilizing, and the Schlieffen plan was specifically tailored to respond to a Russians mobilization.\n\nIn OP scenario, Germany had a complete edge over France, why would they risk drawing UK into the war by attacking Belgium when they're no longer pressed for time to win quickly?\n\nThe only scenario they would move through Belgium, woud be if UK is already committed to an alliance with France, in which Germany obviously have nothing to lose."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Why are you so certain?\nBecause it was the only good way to invade France.\n>why would they risk drawing UK into the war by attacking Belgium when they're no longer pressed for time to win quickly?\nThe risk of provoking the UK is both smaller and less consequential when there's no eastern front.\n>The only scenario they would move through Belgium, woud be if UK is already committed to an alliance with France, in which Germany obviously have nothing to lose.\nExplain, then, how else they were going to defeat France."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n\nI see you avoided the point about the Schlieffen plan being specifically made with Russia in mind. Good.\nI see you also recognized the fact that Germany declared war on France before Russia had even declared war on anyone, specifically because the Schlieffen plan was all about defeating France before Russia could finish her mobilization.\n\n>Explain, then, how else they were going to defeat France.\nBy invading the normal way and go toe-to-toe against the French army instead of trying to ninja a victory.\n\nWhy?\nBecause they would win a nation-wide Battle of Verdun-esque conflict if there is no outside threat. France didnt have the manpower and they didnt have the industry to match Germany.\nI dont know what fortification you're refering to that is so overwhelming that an attack from Alsasce is an impossible win for Imperial Germany, even less so if you're adding Habsburg and Russian divisions to the fray"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>that France would largely be very cautious and cooperative with Germany while they were in this disadvantage.\n\nAnd I agree, because obvious is obvious captain obvious.\n\n>Luxury of arguing in hindsight\nYeah, it's called historical analysis.\n\n>made sense then, because Germany was diplomatically stable while the alliance lasted, even if it turned out that it wasnt viable.\n\nIf it wasn't viable, then it didn't make sense, to start with. Try coherence. If something looks like it's not going to work and it certainly looked like that back then, then whoever insists on implementing it is at fault. The culprit. Bismarck had to patch up and fix again and again and again the position of Russia in the diplomatic system until the embarrasing and desperate treaty of reinsurance, itself the ultimate and most self-evident confirmation that the bismarck system had always been a pipe dream and an complete strategic fiasco whose only achievement was to buy Germany some time. But at what price?. At a very high price. Let's point out the elephant in the room. Which is Bismarck, not Willy."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nLook, we can argue about this sure, but OP scenario demands that this alliance is realized and how it will change things. To argue that it will inevitably collapse isnt relevant to the question.\n\nI merely pointed out that this is what Bismarck wanted because it gave Germany an overwhelming advantage over France, and that France would likely have avoided a confrontation with Germany at all cost in this scenario.\nFor all we know Bismarck too likely had doubts over how it was going to work out, but he attempted, and its not entirely on Bismarck either because both Russia and AH tried as well. Why would Russia and AH join the alliance if they knew beyond any doubt it wouldnt work?\n\nThat is to argue in hindsight. Bismarck was a skilled diplomat but he wasnt godlike, and foreign policy is never certain. It wasnt in pre-ww1, it wasnt during the cold war and it still isnt now. There are many aspects of Russian and US foreign policy we today can point our fingers and laugh at, asking ourselves how they thought it was going to work when it clearly didnt. And there are things today, that people in 100 years will ask how we could have been so stupid to think it was going to work."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>Because they would win a nation-wide Battle of Verdun-esque conflict if there is no outside threat.\nIt would have been a stalemate from start to finish without any hope of a decisive victory. Yes the Germans had an advantage in industry and manpower, but the French knew that and so would have been on the defense, and without going around their fortified positions the Germans would inevitably face massive casualties for little gain in a head-on assault.\n>even less so if you're adding Habsburg and Russian divisions to the fray\nThe Habsburgs and the Russians wouldn't have sent whole divisions to a front that was of no interest of theirs against a country whom they held no direct grudge with. They would instead be fighting against whoever else was on Frances side, all OP said was \"other European powers\" which I'm guessing would atleast include Britain and Italy."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n\n>It would have been a stalemate from start to finish without any hope of a decisive victory\n\nThe beginning of ww1 was actually quite mobile. Trenches evolved during the war, not before it. The German standing army would be going up against the French standing army like they did in the early months of ww1.\n\nTrench warfare developed on both sides for a number of reasons that are completely abscent in OP scenario\n\n1. Germany had to divert forces to the east to face the unexpected rapid mobilization of the Russian army who had invaded Prussia far quicker than anticipated. They built trenches so that their remaining forces could still match the western powers.\n\n2. France needed to recover from the Marne battle and needed time for the British to arrive and for the Russian offensive to draw German armies east.\n\nWithout Russia in Germanys back, there isnt going to be any \"race to the sea\". Germany would continue to push France with overwhelming power. The western front would not become static nation-wide."}, {"id": 22, "content": "How come Prussia easily defeated France in the Franco-Prussian war without going through Belgium? Why could that not be repeated?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n\nBecause Germany needed a quick victory to avoid a 2 front war."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nWhat allowed it to be mobile was that they fought in flat and unfortified terrain, the terrain along the border was neither. That section of the front hardly changed at all for the entire war and was always relatively quiet. Maybe Verdun can be considered an exception since it wasn't that far from the border, it's in the rugged region of the Argonne, and was part of Frances prewar fortifications. However, Verdun was a massive German failure and Falkenhayns goal with the operation wasn't even to achieve a breakthrough, but rather to provoke more deadly counterattacks."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\nWith all due respect, isn't your assessment of Willy's \"autistic diplomacy\" (1. Although, it was really the ministers of the day who led the charge in ensuring Germany declined to renew the Reinsurance Treaty. 2. It's also worth mentioning that the Germany at the height of Willy's heyday was a vary different animal than Germany at the time of unification as a result of its increased population, the need for increased access to foreign markets, the constant emigration and resulting loss of labor to the U.S. that the German government would rather have directed to the colonies, etc.) based on the same luxury of arguing with the benefit of hindsight that you attribute to the critics of the Bismarckian System in this thread?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nYeah, the Schlieffen Plan was conceived as a means of acquiring decisive victory in a two-front conflict while prior plans merely focused on a defensive strategy. If Germany didn't need to care about its eastern flank, they'd likely have a lot more leeway in conceiving plans for facing the French."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\nThey would likely attack through Belgium but quickly become bogged down in the trenches as they did in our timeline. The relief of resources that would have gone to an eastern front would not have made much difference, a French machine gunner can kill 110 men as easily as 100, 110 German shells won't kill much more than 100."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>Verdun was a massive German failure and Falkenhayns goal with the operation wasn't even to achieve a breakthrough, but rather to provoke more deadly counterattacks.\n\nHence why I used it as a reference. Verdun was a battle of attrition, it wasnt meant to be a strategic breakthrough. In a 1v1 that's all Germany would need to be victorious. German strategy would be to play the long game, and wear down the French as they're defending their western fortifications.\n\nThe schlieffen plan wasnt because Germany was scared of facing the French fortifications or thought they couldnt win. It was because they didnt have time to deal with it when anticipating a Russian invasion, nor the men and equiptment as it would have to be divided east. The schlieffen plan was meant to ninja a victory to avoid a 2 frontal war. If germany is facing a single front against a single nation who is vastly outnumbered and outgunned, there is no need tryng to blitz and to avoid a conventional confrontation."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImperial Germany was actually sure it could defeat France and Russia and win a two-front war. When Britain entered the war, they honestly believed that tipped the odds against them and they took it as a heavy blow.\n\nAs mentioned before OP, your alternate scenario is pretty whack (France would almost certainly accommodate Imperial Germany without the Russian alliance, and keeping the League of Three Emperors together longterm is also difficult to imagine given all the tensions), but all that said... I guess there's no reason to assume Germany would be wedded to the Schlieffen Plan if they know Russia is not a threat since they wouldn't need to move troops quickly to another front, and would not want to antagonize Britain by going through Belgium.\n\nBut does it matter? If you're going to make up a crazy alt scenario, just make up whatever reasons you want for Germany not attacking via Belgium."}, {"id": 30, "content": "A better \"what-if\" is what if Germany focussed on Russia. Avoid war with France, Britain and the US as much as reasonably possible. If France declares war, simply dig in along their small border. Don't invade Belgium and widen the front. Don't threaten Belgium before the war as Wilhelm II did, try to maintain good relations and their neutrality and make them suspicious of the Anglo that would want to use them as a springboard to invade Germany. Defend at minimal expense while plying the rest of their resources towards Russia and also securing the Balkans and the Ottoman Empire in the middle east.\n\nA war in Russia is a war of logistics, building railway lines, securing ports, thereby allowing the vastly better trained, led, equipped and now supplied German troops to push to key objectives. It would have been difficult but favorable to slaughter in the trenches. If Austro-Hungary and the Ottomans are properly supported with instructors and industrial experts, they too could contribute greatly with manpower, raw materials and forcing Russia to divert their own resources to new fronts.\n\n>The Belgian ambassador to Berlin, Baron Napoleon-Eugène Beyens, recalled: “The Kaiser discoursed at length on the political situation in Europe. He thinks it so bad, through the fault of France, that he regards war with her as inevitable and imminent… The King tried to overcome this disastrous error of judgment… All to no purpose. The Kaiser obstinately went on declaring that a conflict was inevitable and that he had no doubt of the crushing superiority of the German army.”\n\nWilly was completely delusory, if he was even an ounce more competent it wouldn't be hindsight bias to assume he might realize France as an industrialized power was a far greater risk than Russia and the Balkans, even if he did not realize it would degrade into trench warfare. Likewise if die Führer was a little more pragmatic he might have avoided a 2 front war and focussed on the Mediterranean."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>8\nThat would be one stinky and salty pizza. Not high enough in iron for a war effort certainly."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis map is so kino. Shame it had to end :sadpepe:"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nIf Wilhelm was smart he would have manipulated France or Russia to declare war on him, letting him keep other countries neutral and getting an easy victory (see Franco-Prussian war). Wilhelm was not a smart man."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI wouldn't be too sure. Even though the Russians declared war on the Austrians, the Italians were more than willing to throw out their commitment to the Triple Alliance by claiming that, as a result of the war starting through an Austrian declaration on Serbia, they were in the clear. Romania also had ties to the Central Powers but skipped out on their duties, as well, waiting for the best offer. And while Britain and France outright violated Greek neutrality by landing in Thessaloniki, that lost them no international support in contrast to the German violation of Belgium neutrality. The French, supported by the British, also violated Moroccan neutrality, which they were committed to by treaty, in the French quest to turn them into a protectorate in the decades prior to the war only for German efforts to defend Moroccan neutrality to be treated as an act of aggression.\n\nWilly was, however, more than willing to delay any advances into neutral Belgium or Luxembourg at the outbreak of war so long as the Brits could promise their neutrality but that apparent British offer was found to be bullshit. Belgium was really only a convenient Casus Belli. If it wasn't that, the Brits might have used the presence of German ships in the English Channel (if the Germans decided to bombard the French coast) as yet another excuse given they had supported France to take up further responsibilities in the Mediterranean to defend their mutual interests in exchange for the British taking up the same responsibilities regarding the English Channel and the North Sea. All in all, though, the real British reason for war was to stop the expansion of German power at the potential expense of France."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThe situation at the outbreak of WW1 was much different than the situation at the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War where France had already been diplomatically isolated in contrast to their diplomatic situation at the outbreak of WW1 given their relations with Britain and Russia at the time in contrast to said relations at the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nThe problem was Russia was industrializing and the longer they waited the greater their disadvantage.\n\n>>34\n>Willy was, however, more than willing to delay any advances into neutral Belgium or Luxembourg at the outbreak of war so long as the Brits could promise their neutrality but that apparent British offer was found to be bullshit.\nAre you from /pol/ and just saying this to be edgy? It is total codswallop. Germany immediately marched straight into Belgium while Britain was still trying to mediate. Wilhelm II and various generals boasted of marching to Paris before the war and Germany accidentally sent 2 copies of their war declaration to Russia, one where their refusal to reply meant war and one where they rejected their replies and went to war. Germany was the aggressor."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nIf Germany didn't intervene it would have remained a localized conflict of Austria vs Russia. Germany is the one who escalated it, which was a terrible choice."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>Are you from /pol/ and just saying this to be edgy? It is total codswallop. Germany immediately marched straight into Belgium while Britain was still trying to mediate.\n\nWrong."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nGermany wanted a localized war between Serbia and Austria.\n\nA war between a Serbian-Russian Alliance and Austria-Hungary, without German assistance, would have resulted in the dissolution of Germany's only reliable ally on the continent making Germany's state of diplomatic isolation even more dire than it previously was in addition to making any future treaty-bound commitments to any potential allies unreliable and diminishing German influence in various parts of Europe.\n\nGermany had to support Austria for such reasons but Willy, in particular, was hoping for the Russians to stand down. The German mobilization was never secret, as the Russian mobilization first was, and it had just as much of a diplomatic purpose as a military one.\n\nFurthermore, it's worth noting that the French were supportive of using a Balkan Crisis as a means of activating the Franco-Russian Alliance directed at Germany with the French seemingly being excited at the prospect of bringing about an expanded rather than a localized war."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n\nHistorians argue that Germany \"accidentally\" became the aggressor because they had a series of plans and protocols already in the system based on expected turn of events.\n\nOne of these was that Germany would declare war on France when Russia declared war on them, to knock France out before Russia could mobilize.\nTraditionally, a nation would first declare war and then mobilize. The problem was that Russia mobilized but didn't declare war which immediately put a cog in the German plans, and a nation cannot just change course on a dime once every plan is systemic.\nThe same happened in ww2. Britain and France were following a series of procedures planned out based on the expected turn of events. The sudden german-soviet alliance and attack on Poland had been completely unexpected and so France and Britain merely acted on the protocols already systemically executed, hence why their action didn't make any sense to us today when dealing with the German-Soviet aggression."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n>>39\nOh, and in reference to Russia's plans regarding Austria-Hungary, please refer to the following text."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>>41\nRussia's promise of support to Serbia was also first communicated to the Serb's by their envoy in Belgrade prior to the drafting of the Serbian reply to Austria-Hungry."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreat question! If the German Empire had formulated its entire national defensive strategy around defeating only France, it's possible that the Schlieffen Plan may have been altered or even abandoned altogether.\n\nThe Schlieffen Plan, as originally designed by German General Alfred von Schlieffen, was a highly risky and aggressive strategy that involved invading France by way of Belgium in order to quickly defeat the French army and force France to surrender. The plan was based on the assumption that France would be Germany's primary military adversary in the event of a conflict, and that Russia would take too long to mobilize its forces to pose an immediate threat.\n\nHowever, if Germany had focused its defense strategy solely on defeating France, it's possible that the Schlieffen Plan would not have been considered necessary or effective. Instead, Germany may have pursued a more conservative and defensive approach that focused on reinforcing its border defenses and staging a more measured and cautious defense against any French invasion.\n\nWithout the need to quickly defeat France in order to avoid a two-front war, Germany may have been able to avoid the risks and costs associated with an invasion of Belgium, and instead focus on defending its eastern border against the Russian threat.\n\nOverall, it's difficult to say exactly how the Schlieffen Plan would have been affected by a different strategic situation, but it's clear that changes to the overall defensive strategy of the German Empire could have significant impacts on the planning and execution of military operations."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nFurther Russian promises of support outright removed any possibility of the Serbs making any more concessions to the Austrians in the list-minute - an opportunity the Austrians left open as can be seen in the passages posted here >>39 below the highlighted text.\n\nThe attached text to this post reveals the further hardening of Serbian attitudes, expressed by the self-same envoy to Saint Petersburg, with such an official now having an orgasmic reaction at the promise of war. That envoy wasn't alone, by the way, in possessing such a hardened attitude."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christianity is just cope. Peter and the Apostles coping over Jesus' death. Paul coping over circumcision and having schizophrenia. Gentiles coping about dying.\n\nThe truth is that when you die, that's it, you're gone forever, just like every other animal that has been on this earth. You don't go to a magical castle in the sky. You'll never see your dead family member again to tell them you love them or that you're sorry. There are no second chances. It's permanent."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI would be fine with not living on. Christianity still provides a superior way of being, even if your theory were to be true. By the way, if you think the apostles would unanimously go off to live in terribly difficult scenarios and die in excruciating ways with pure cope as a motivation, well, you believe that."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExplain Paul then."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>By the way, if you think the apostles would unanimously go off to live in terribly difficult scenarios and die in excruciating ways\n\nNo proof this happened\n\n>>3\nA schizo that wanted to start a new Jewish religion based off the teachings of Plato"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>A schizo that wanted to start a new Jewish religion based off the teachings of Plato\n\nHe didn't art a new religion, he was visited by Christ and joined the disciples despite persecuting them before"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nPaul didn't write Acts. Some unknown author wrote it about him, based on his letters long after he was dead. It's fiction."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot christian, but saying nothing happens is a cop out, nothing is not real, things are everywhere."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSaying there is \"something\" while not providing evidence is the real cop out. No, people who experience something while they're STILL alive is not proof the universe is immaterial or that our consciousness survives death. That's why they're called NEAR death experiences. No one who has died has come back. Because there is nothing beyond. You're a meat automaton animated by neurotransmitters."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nPaul never met Jesus. He just saw him in a hallucination."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYou are experiencing something, you are within the proof for something, are you experiencing any nothing? Not possible, you yourself are the precedent for something, the ability to experience is dependent on something, so if you're espousing a state of nothingness, that in itself is an impossibility anyways, because you're still conceiving of that in the context of that which you already know, i.e experience and thus something, the very notion of abstraction youre proposing lacks any systematic integrity, and is clearly the product of exclusively superficial knowledge of the exhaustibility of thought"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nHoly mental breakdown.\nYou don’t have proof anon, we all know it’s a “faith” thing. Relax and keep it to yourself."}, {"id": 12, "content": "They can cope all they want, it’s when they start preaching to me or trying to change laws based on their existential cope where it becomes a problem.\nThey wouldn’t have to deal with of this pushback if they just kept to themselves or even kindly stated their beliefs and explained that it’s okay if other people don’t believe them."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI accept your surrender"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI’m not even the guy you were talking to, just pointing out you’re full of shit."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nDon't forget to do the needful sir"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYou need arguments to do that: youre a faggot, we're now even in substantive output\n>>15\nIrony is the cowardice of sincerity"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou don’t have proof of your god, it’s that simple. Bitching about the very concept of proof is a white flag."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\nAh yes, because Tacitus isn't proof. There goes 20% of Roman history because some faggot doesn't like Christianity."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI accept your surrender"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSir please do the needful"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\nFanfiction writing huckster"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The truth is that when you die, that's it, you're gone forever\nsource?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\ni accept your surrender"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nTacitus didn't mention any of the apostles, not even Peter and Paul"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a more Reddit US Civil War opinion than unjustly hating Little Mac?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">muh wiki battle boxes\nKill yourself please"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's worse than plebbit, it's the type of opinion espoused by people who never opened a history book beyond the textbook they were given in high school."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ACW is a reddit topic to start with."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt's more relevant than any european war from 1776 onwards, aside from those in which America was involved."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I want to learn Anon, why was McLellan not a shitty general? I wanna like him, but everything I've seen of him indicates his lack of competence on the battlefield to me."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">gets btfo so hard he runs a soft confederate democrat platform on his election\nMcClellan is one of the most hilarious things about the American civil war"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>why was McLellan not a shitty general?\nAs compared to what American general of the time? The only criticism of McClellan that people make is that \"he wasn't winning the war fast enough\", despite the fact that he was commander of the Union armies for a few months in a war that took years. His actual battlefield performance is stellar and arguably the best of the war.\nThe real reason why McClellan is portrayed negatively is because he was a political opponent of Lincoln, who American public education fellates constantly. Gran, for his part, is lauded just because he happened to be the leader of the Union armies when the war was won, because explaining to kids the real complexities and nuance of war takes too long for a middle school history lesson."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nPretty much every officer knew he had fumbled during the peninsular campaign,I think there was little confidence in him as a feild commander"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>It happened to America ergo it important\nVery reddit."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nOh yeah no, almost every general at the time was dogshit. I guess it's comparing to the likes of Grant and Lee. Grant was put in charge for a reason, and that reason was that he got the job done. And of course as much as a lost cause as the Southern cause was, it was nothing short of tactical genius that Lee was able to hold off the North for so long.\nI guess the question from here is why was McLellan put in charge in the first place? I feel like the answer might change this discussion."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Grant was put in charge for a reason, and that reason was that he got the job done.\nThere's 14 months between Grant being put in charge and the war's end. That's over three times the amount that McClellan got to be in charge. And the Confederacy by 1864 was a pale shadow of what it had been years prior."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFantastic K/D, now let's see which general pushed the rebels away from DC"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\nTrue."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>His actual battlefield performance is stellar\nNice joke. I hope you're not talking about the 7 days campaign where McClellan wasn't even on solid ground for its entirety, or west Virginia where he wringed his hands in Rich mountain but absorbed all the credit."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nMcClellan was commander of the Army of the Potomac from July 26, 1861 – November 9, 1862. that's almost 16 months.\n\nGrant was commander of the Army of the Potomac from May 1864 to April 1865. that's 11 months."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>His actual battlefield performance is stellar and arguably the best of the war.\n\nThomas was probably the best Union battlefield commander.\n\nMac was pretty soundly defeated by an inferior force during the Seven Days and then his negligent inaction enabled that inferior force to win one its biggest victories at Second Bull Run.\n\nDude was a brilliant logistical officer but did not have what it took to be a great field commander during the civil war."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n??????"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nthat's when he was commander of the entire Army. he was \"demoted\" so he could focus on commanding the AoP and the Peninsula Campaign."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Vicksburg was a far more complicated and lengthy campaign than anything McClellan attempted over greater distances with much more difficult terrain and without the best equipment and logistics. McClellan basically shit the bed when he was playing on easy mode."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n>I guess the question from here is why was McLellan put in charge in the first place?\nHe won a little campaign in West Virginia which wasn't much but provided a morale booster after the disaster at Bull Run. The problem was there weren't many experienced officers who could have been put in command at that early phase and the fact that McClellan had routed a couple of Confederates armed with old flintlock muskets was seen as good enough."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nyep, same with the relief of Chattanooga.\n\nshit - Rosecrans probably caused more damage to the Confederacy than Mac at Stones River and his defeat at Chickamauga."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>>22\nthe Western armies had worse equipment than AOP and Grant had only a very small cavalry force with him. ironically Pemberton's troops had better gear since many of them were using Enfield rifles while the Union troops in the Vicksburg campaign had smoothbore muskets and old castoff European junk weapons."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nmakes Grants victory at Champion Hill even more impressive."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">In the interlude following Vicksburg, Secretary Stanton proposed putting Grant in command of the Army of the Potomac. Here Grant strongly objected--the Virginia theater was the place where generals' careers went to die. The political bickering and infighting in the AoP were well known and as a Westerner, Grant did not feel he would be welcome, nor get along with the predominantly Eastern officers there. As everyone knew, a commanding general only had authority if his subordinates consented to it, a fact that Burnside had learned the hard way during his stint in command of the AoP. Further, he would have to totally relearn everything from the beginning as he was neither familiar with Virginia nor the Army of the Potomac.[9] It was not for nothing that Henry Slocum expressed great relief when he and his XII Corps were transferred out west that fall. \"I had finally left the theater of confrontation and entered the theater of cooperation,\" he remarked."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThe Army of the Tennessee was always the worst equipped of the major Confederate armies due to the lack of a stable base of supply and even the trans-Mississippi forces commanded by Edmund Kirby-Smith were actually pretty well armed with Enfield rifles."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nthe War Department was oddly obsessed with conquering Texas and wasted considerable time and resources to that end. Grant felt there was no sense in bothering with the trans-Mississippi so long as the war in the east was ongoing. Also Kirby-Smith was a remarkably useless general; he couldn't do much anyway given how remote and cut off from the rest of the Confederacy he was and he had been completely unsuccessful in trying to relieve the Vicksburg siege."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe question of whether or not there is a more \"Reddit US Civil War opinion\" than unjustly hating Little Mac is somewhat ambiguous and dependent on the cultural, social, and political context in which it is being asked. Without more information about the specific subreddit or community in question, it's difficult for me to provide a fully informed response.\n\nHowever, it's worth noting that opinions about historical figures and events can vary widely depending on a range of factors, including personal biases, social and cultural influences, and access to information and resources. While some opinions may be more common or popular within certain online communities or subreddits, it's important to approach historical questions and debates with an open and critical mind, and to seek out diverse perspectives and sources of information in order to gain a fuller and more nuanced understanding of the subject at hand."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nChat-GPT ass nigga"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Look at this wiki-boxes, McClellan took less casualties and losses\nYeah of course he did retard. Literally the basics of the whole issue was that McClellan was so cautious as to avoid losses that he let the Confederates just run amok and do whatever they wanted, while Grant took necessary casualties and hard losses as to win the war by pinning the Confederates down\nThe Confederates didn't have the resources of the North, or the men. The whole point of Grant's strategy and the reason for the failure of McClellan was that avoiding costly engagements only played into the South's hands, while driving straight into them, while causing issues for the Union, drained the much more limited Confederate Army much quicker\nOh but sorry I guess that makes me \"Reddit\" because I'm not following along with your retarded baseless contrarianism"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>the War Department was oddly obsessed with conquering Texas\nNot obsessed enough to tell Nathaniel Banks to take a hike. I get he had a lot of political connections, but they really should have parked his ass in New Orleans and put someone else in charge. And actually enforced discipline in his army. Disorganized blackguards don't perform well in such difficult and difficult to navigate terrain as was found in bayou country."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>he let the Confederates just run amok and do whatever they wanted\nHe pushed them out of Union land.\n\n>The whole point of Grant's strategy\nThrowing human waves at fortified positions.\n\n>the failure of McClellan\nA relatively much stronger confederacy and a meddling, hostile president\n\n>avoiding costly engagements only played into the South's hands\nIt was a war of attrition and McClellan was winning it soundly. Every confederate \"victory\" against him was pyhrric, and the confederacy was losing resources at a much greater rate than the union.\n\n>drained the much more limited Confederate Army much quicker\nNot really. Grant just arrived when they were already drained and on the retreat. He was relatively slow when you take into account the difference in manpower and weaponry at this stage.\n\n>Oh but sorry I guess that makes me \"Reddit\" because I'm not following along with your retarded baseless contrarianism\nWhat makes you Reddit is repeating the same old lies that you've read elsewhere without ever actually pondering about whether or not they are lies. You just accept the \"experts\" opinions and parrot them. McClellan's major sin was that he couldn't win quickly enough for an impatient, ignorant president who didn't understand war. Because he was unjustly replaced with actually incompetent men, the union suffered its worst defeats in the war and basically lost an entire year for nothing. Had McClellan remained in charge, the war would have been won earlier, and with much fewer casualties."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Had McClellan remained in charge, the war would have been won earlier, and with much fewer casualties.\nI haven't heard this take before, by what method would he have achieved this?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIn the same way he was already doing it, attrition. The confederacy was taking a disproportionate amount of losses compared to the union, and their defeat under those conditions was inevitable. It's very likely that McClellan would have also gained experience, learned from his mistakes, and started gaining even better and more meaningful victories as well. He barely had any military experience when he was promoted to general."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nI'm not sure I understand clearly, the war would have ended sooner and with fewer casualties by undertaking a war of attrition?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThe war was a war of attrition from the beginning, that's why it lasted for so many years. McClellan was just better at it than the other generals who replaced him, and therefore I believe that the confederacy would have reached a breaking point faster had he been allowed to command longer."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Wikipedia battle box analysis is so dreadfully surface level, evaluating nothing but casualties"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nJust to make sure I really understand this. Instead of the Union maneuvering on campaigns like taking the Mississippi, march to the sea, etc., The idea is that the Union would have been better served by grinding down the confederacy in more static battles of attrition?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>Instead of the Union maneuvering on campaigns like taking the Mississippi, march to the sea, etc.,\nIrrelevant because we're not talking about the western theater.\n\n>The idea is that the Union would have been better served by grinding down the confederacy in more static battles of attrition?\nThe union did grind down the confederacy in battles, in both theatres. The difference is that in the east, the union had no real defeat under McClellan, but they had major defeats under McDowell, Burnside, Pope, and Grant."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>the union had no real defeat under McClellan\nI recall the one single offensive campaign undertaken by McClellan, Peninsula, resulted in retreat. He did successfully defeat Lee in the defensive Maryland campaign in terms of casualties. My concern is that McClellan never demonstrated the ability to successfully undertake an offensive campaign, and a war cannot be won without a successful offensive. It's possible he may have gained the experience to eventually successfully do so, but we can only judge generals on their actual performance. I do agree that the Union had much worse overall generals.\n\nI'm not sure whether there's any case in history where a war of attrition is shorter and less costly than one of maneuver."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>I recall the one single offensive campaign undertaken by McClellan, Peninsula, resulted in retreat.\nA failure of an offensive, but ultimately it had no direct negative repercussion on the union. The confederacy lost significantly more from this \"defeat\" than they did from some other victories.\n\n>He did successfully defeat Lee in the defensive Maryland campaign in terms of casualties.\nEvery single campaign he fought was successful in term of casualties. He understood that the civil war was a war that massively rewarded tactical defence.\n\n>and a war cannot be won without a successful offensive.\nThat's true, but a successful offensive is best done when you have the means to do one, and the best way to do that is by taking good trades until the enemy doesn't have the means to resist anymore.\n\n>I'm not sure whether there's any case in history where a war of attrition is shorter and less costly than one of maneuver.\nA war of maneuver isn't always a possibility. If it were, everyone would just do that."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>That's true, but a successful offensive is best done when you have the means to do one\nI think that's the exact point of umbrage people have with McClellan. He estimated 200,000 confederates in the Peninsula campaign when as we can see it was only half the number. Similarly at Antietam he was convinced of a massive counter-attack that never materialised. I'm not sure McClellan had the perception to recognise opportunity when it arose."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>A failure of an offensive, but ultimately it had no direct negative repercussion on the union.\nExcept he could have taken Richmond and ended the war early"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>I think that's the exact point of umbrage people have with McClellan. He estimated 200,000 confederates in the Peninsula campaign when as we can see it was only half the number.\nYes, now we know that he was wrong. He most likely would have realized that too at some point.\n\n>Similarly at Antietam he was convinced of a massive counter-attack that never materialised.\nHe still attacked at Antietam and he was mostly successful. The biggest problem at Antietam was how ridiculously long it took Burnside to cross the bridge.\n>>43\nYes, there's a lot of things that can happen when everything goes perfectly. I personally think that at this point the confederacy wouldn't have surrendered even if Richmond fell. It wasn't a particularly important city, and their moral at this point was still high, and their manpower reasonable."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>20\n>pemberton and joe coward johnston vs Lee and the confederacy at full strength"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nMcclellans estimates were more like 100k, which is now recognised as being mostly accurate"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>Mcclellans estimates were more like 100k\nMay I ask where you read this? Any source I've ever looked at quotes 200"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\n>joe coward johnston\numm\n>>41"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>He most likely would have realized that too at some point\nMaybe, possibly, but how many more times? He was given two key opportunities and let them both slip, and we can only judge on what happened. The world is full of generals who \"might have later corrected their mistakes\"."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>7\n>btfo by inflicting the heaviest casualty ratios on the AoNV of any Union general\n>\"this war doesnt end without unconditional surrender\"\n>confederate platform\n\nwhat about anti-McClellanoids makes them so prone to schizo fits?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nout of context, Joe Johnston became a coward after the Peninsula, we are talking about Grant fighting in the west against Pemberton and Johnston, he never went up against Johnston in the east. Johnston did nothing while Pemberton was starved out and then constantly retreated from Sherman and was about to give up Atlanta without a fight before he was relived. He probably thought the war was unwinnable and refused to go into battle unless victory was certain which it never was.\n\n>>47\nPemberton's estimates are not the same as McClellans and the Confederates outnumbered the Union in the peninsula campaign, they had like 120k men, Lee's force at Gettysbueg was about 78,000 strong. That's after suffering from 20,000 casualties in the Seven Days, 9,000 in Second Bull Run, more than 12,000 at Antietam and about 12k at Chancellorsville\n\n>>49\nLetting lee \"get away\" after Antietam was not a failure, there was not a SINGLE TIME IN THE WHOLE WAR an army was ever pursued and wiped out, it wasn't possible with the cavalry available, the same thing happened with Lee's army after Gettysburg. The only time something a bit like that happened was hood's army after Nashville. And McClellan would have won the war in 1862 if Lincoln hadn't taken 40000 troops away and given them to pope the retard."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>out of context, Joe Johnston conveniently became a coward after the Peninsula,\nI hate McClellanoids."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>the Confederates outnumbered the Union in the peninsula campaign\nAlright now things are just getting silly"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>9\n>every officer\nsuch as?\nMost of them came to his defense and were labeled \"McClellanites\" if they spoke favorably of him.\nThey had their careers ruined and one of them was even court martialed for cowardice in a battle where he lost his leg leading a doomed charge rallying his men to a counter-effect a Confederate breakthrough, he would narrowly save his flank and his force.\nThey threw his ass in jail and had a kangaroo court ready for him within weeks.\nThe way they treated McClellan's allies was impossibly corrupt.\n>>11\nNo, Grant was put in charge because Henry Halleck was his ally and Halleck had the ear of Lincoln and War Dept, and Halleck, being the head of logistics could decide who got what and when, so you have Halleck witholding supplies from men like McClellan and Burnside, then telling Lincoln they are failures while Halleck sent 40 fucking thousand men from the Washington garrison to Grant during the Overland to eat up his losses because Grant lost 3x his battle casualties due to attrition, which McClellan near totally prevented due to impeccable camp discipline, hygiene, and medical preparation.\n>Why was McClellan in charge in the first place\nHe was the most qualified for the job and he readily demonstrated this by routinely inflicting heavy casualties on the CSA while taking very little by comparison, a feat no other Union commander came close to recreating.\n>>15\nYou mean the only campaign where Lee was consistently defeated in pitched battles by a roughly equal army?\n>>17\nThomas is reddit and overrated.\n>soundly defeated\nhow? His own team cut his supply lines, his men werent even allotted shoes, kek.\n>negligent inaction\n\"Negligent inaction\" or rather prudence and method is what prevented Second Bull Run's from happening.\n\nThe fact remains, he is the only Union commander to consistently deal heavy defeats to the ANV with an army of lesser or equal size to the ANV."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>20\n>Vicksburg\n>outnumbered garrison completely cutoff\n>Grant still fumbles around with swamp expeditions and only wins because Pemberton, a personal friend of Grant's, knew he could surrender and be easily paroled if they gave it up on the Fourth of July.\nironically, Grant's breakthrough moment, was a political victory."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nWIKIPEDIA SAID SO"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>21\nThe Confederates actually had the Harper's Ferry Model 1855 and a substantial number of Enfields, far more sophisticated than what the Union fielded, the Union wouldnt have superior arms until 1863.\nMcClellan fought at a tactical disadvantage in firearms.\nGrant fought with an extreme advantage, having most of his men equipped with 1863 model Springfields and his cavalry armed with 10,000 repeaters.\n>>24\n>>23\nThe Western armies faced off against farmers, the majority of Enfields went to the East. Pembertons troops were not better armed, their muster and reports reveal they not only had less than what they were supposed to have, they primarily had equipment on par with the Union, until 1863 when the Western Union armies were given the same weaponry as the AOP, that being more modern springfield variants and repeaters."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>30\n>necessary casualties\nO' I am laffin\nhe lost three times the men he did in battle to preventable attrition"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\n>which McClellan near totally prevented due to\nnot engaging in offensive maneuvers. But the Union, being on the offensive, would have had to perform said offensive maneuvers eventually. It's not clear if McClellan was up to the job. Lee started to adopt a more defensive approach by the end of 1862 (Fredericksburg). If Lee started doing what he historically did in 1864 I don't think McClellan would have performed very well."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>33\n>>35\n>>38\nYes, if you sit outside the enemies capital and slowly dig forward, which is what Grant ended up doing anyway, you will win due to the sheer casualties inflicted on the enemy.\n>how would it end sooner if they dug forward\nBecause digging toward Richmond is faster than dancing around Richmond and constantly jobbing to a more aggressive and agile opponent who can \"reset the board\" using their greater maneuverability.\nentrenching and investing their hold by all means necessary city means that agility is useless and the war is brought to a singular decisive campaign.\n>taking the Mississippi\ndidnt end the war\n>march to the Sea\ndidnt end the war\n\nYou know what ended the war, Lee running out men and Richmond being threatened, with Lee asking Longstreet \"can you move your reserves to assist a breakthrough\" Longstreet replying \"No I am out\" Lee concluding \"Then defeat or surrender are inevitably our only options left.\"\n\nYou can mockingly deride what McClellan did, but the fact remains, Grant did exactly what McClellan did, which was go for attriting down Lee while marching toward Richmond."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>taking the Mississippi\n>didnt end the war\n>march to the Sea\n>didnt end the war\nI'm guessing the Anaconda plan was also a case of \"didn't end the war\" because it didn't inflict any direct casualties"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>40\nMcClellan was sabotaged by the War Dept because they just didnt like him.\nThey wanted a Republican Army for a Republican President to strengthen Republican power.\n>how could they be so partisan\nThey were just like the Whigs before them who wanted a uniparty system, it was wise in a way, a single party rules better than a dual or multiparty system, but nonetheless it stifled the efforts of high quality commanders due to political conflict.\nMcClellan's retreat wasnt due to a defeat and he preserved his forces and was tremendously successful in delivering costly victories for the CSA or very heavy handed defeats.\nThe Confederates never won a shocking victory against McClellan.\nImagine if Lee pulled off a Chancellorsville or a Cold Harbor in 1861 or 1862, that's a Lincoln loss and Union accepting CSA independence.\nIf McClellan hadnt stifled the early advantage of the CSA, when they were at their absolute strongest by relative to the Union, the CSA chance of victory goes up immensely.\nEspecially with Jackson alive and the Confederates not yet falling behind in manpower resources, early staggering victories would have been a tremendous upset to the Union efforts.\nInstead McClellan not only completely prevented anything like that from happening, he turned every Confederate victory into a pyrrhic one."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nEnlighten me, what were McClellan's great victories?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>Instead McClellan not only completely prevented anything like that from happening, he turned every Confederate victory into a pyrrhic one.\nI can indeed agree his virtue was preventing anything from happening"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\n>Because digging toward Richmond is faster than dancing around Richmond and constantly jobbing to a more aggressive and agile opponent\nWhat do you THINK the union was trying to do for the entire war?\n\nThe Bull Run Campaign (1862)\nThe Peninsula Campaign (1862)\nThe Fredericksburg Campaign (1862)\nThe Mud March (1863)\nThe Chancellorsville Campaign (1863)\nThe Mine Run Campaign (1863)\nThe Overland Campaign (1864)\nThe Second Peninsula Campaign (1864)"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>47\nThe Pinkertons had found muster rolls from the CSA, listing their total assets in Virginia as roughly 100,000, Lee's horde itself was 80,000 strong in Virginia however his men were staggered and strewn out, many of them just didnt show up to work so to speak, and when going into Maryland his men showed much less enthusiasm, preferring to defend Virginia and the South than invade the North, thus Lee's greatly reduced numbers at Antietam.\nHowever McClellan didnt know this and preferred to remain cautious, knowing how capable Lee and the CSA were, and preferred not to risk getting Bull Runned, an instance where Pope thought he trapped a much smaller army and instead found himself facing down 50,000 men tens of thousands of which were turning his flank and riding for his two escape routes.\nMcClellan was also cautious due to the Confederates knowing the terrain much better and he was acutely aware of how many losses the Union had taken during the opening movements of the war due to being cut off by Virginia and Maryland's many rivers and forest roads, leading to otherwise farmhands on draft horses becoming something like heavy knights in their decisive ability simply because they knew the land and 50 cavalrymen could bag 300 infantry if they reached a crossing or a roadway before them.\nWhich the Confederates always sought to do."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nThe Pinkertons gave the 200K number. Again, where did you see 100?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">mcclellan replaced\n>war ends in union victory"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>59\n>not engaging in offensive maneuvers\n???\nMcClellan went on the offensive, whether defensive or offensive his non-battlefield casualties were the lowest of any to command the AoP.\nThe wounded dying, the sick dying, and men getting sick at all, are all to a great extent preventable or can be mitigated to an extreme as McClellan did, yet Grant was not able to do this, infact no other Union commander was able to do this. Ones who were near solely on the Defense like George Meade were not able to do this.\nGrant when he was defending during the Overland, was not able to do this.\nMcClellan also managed this while in an offensive campaign.\n>the Union would have to perform offensive maneuvers eventually\nWhat does this even mean in this context? McClellan did attack, are you saying he didnt literally march men into the open to get shot? Sure, he marched and prepared his men in such a way they would always have a tactically advantageous position to fire from.\nYou want these big sweeping attacks, that is not the direct warfare went, post Napoleon warfare becomes more like the Swedes in Poland, with the side who can entrench faster and better winning. WWI becoming the defining conflict for this type of conflict.\n>Lee adopted a more defensive approach\nNo he didnt, he was defending the Rappahannock because it was winter and its just a military maxim you avoid Winter campaigns.\nLee went to have plenty offensives after Fredericksburg, infact his biggest post Fredericksburg battle was an offensive one.\n>McClellan wouldnt have performed very well\nwhy?\nLee on the offense or defense was not able to stand against McClellan's force, McClellan knew his advantages and Lee's, and he sought to mitigate Lee's and amplify his own, classic Art of War, no other Union general demonstrated this ability, and only a few Confederates, Lee among them, demonstrated this ability."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>61\nwhat are you talking about?\nThe war ended when Lee surrendered, simple as.\n>everything was leading up to that, ahem everything post McClellan I mean\nyeah yeah keep dilating.\n\nThe war ended with Lee and Richmond, the General McClellan proved himself to be an equal of and the City McClellan proved to have seriously threatened when it was actually garrisoned."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>63\nMalvern Hill, Gaines Mill, South Mountain, Beaver Dam Creek.\nConfederates took casualties similar to the ones they took in 1864 and 65, yet McClellan pulled it off not only with 3x less Men than his Union counterparts, but he was also on occasion outnumbered.\n>>64\nyeah its not like he every inflicted losses on the Confederates, lets just repeat a tired old meme that comes from the Memoirs of a self admitted political animal.\n>>65\n>what was the Union trying to do\nfumble to get in 3 years where McClellan got in 3 weeks?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>67\nno, the Pinkertons gave 100k as the most accurate estimate based on CSA muster rolls.\n>where\nAt the visitor's center at Antietam and I asked a tour guide why the Confederates had so few men at the outset when they would swell to a million man army later on.\n>>68\n>Germany removes all jews\n>becomes a nuclear power\nhmmmmm"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>Malvern Hill\nMcClellan was not on the feild, his subordinates faught and won that battle"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>50\n>muh k/d ratio\nStop playing video games you dumb nigger faggot subhuman. I know uou're talking about 7 days, because your historically illiterate ass doesn't know he didn't even personally command in any of those battles."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\n>no, the Pinkertons gave 100k as the most accurate estimate based on CSA muster rolls.\nTour guides are not historians, they're entertainers"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nThe battle wasnt \"fought\" by commanders, McClellan ordered the entrenchments, their locations, and gave a lot of freedom to his artillerists to operate as they pleased.\nHe was so good, he won that battle without even being present for it, his preparations lead to the Union inflicting severe casualties.\nIf anyone else had been in command, they wouldnt be dug in, their artillerists would be doing nothing but counter battery, and the Union would likely be routed and destroyed by the overwhelming local superiority of the confederates at the points of engagement."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>He was so good, he won that battle without even being present for it,\nLow level trolling here"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\n>he didnt command any of the battles\n>also he failed as a commander even though he wasnt present\n>no those victories shouldnt go to him either because he want present\n>>75\nNo, Tour guides are required to have a degree in the relevant field and have to pass an examination by a board of historians.\nThey are not \"entertainers\" they are credited historians.\n>wasnt personally in command of any of those battles\n>look up Seven Days\n>First battle: Beaver Dam Creek\n>McClellan is personally present\n>Second battle: Gaines Mill\n>McClellan is also personally present\nreally makes one think."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>they would have won without decisive artillery commanders or fortifications\nwhy\n>trust me bro, McClellan's standing preparation had nothing to do with the victory\n\nyou really are trolling"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP seems to be unaware of cursory civil war history regarding his daddy complex hero figure, like the fact that McClellan was not a personal commander in any of those battles, and was a couple hundred miles away on the Galena, thinking his Telegrams are the new hot thing in military command.\n\nLet's take a look at McClellan, as a military commander. He, like Lee and some other west pointers, are products of things they saw in the Mexican-American war. Winfield's flanking maneuver in Sierra Gordo did a number on him and Lee. Mac was also dispatched as an observer in the Crimean war, and published his military study, which became the new hot thing in the US. Ironically, in this report, he stated that \"Hesitation is a general's greatest impairment\". This detailed military report and his rep as a west pointer accelerated him to national spotlight at the war's start as one of the very few military men who might have an idea of what they're doing, experience, professional military education, etc. The governor of Ohio was lucky to grab Mac for himself and appointed him commander of the Ohio state militia, and nagged him nonstop to cross the border into W. Virginia to take the fight to the rebel and to also help the unionist sympathizers there.\n\nW. Virginia was his baptism by fire as a commander. He orchestrated a relatively competent invasion of the region, following multiple avenues, against a very inferior force. if I recall well he drew up the plan for Philippi, which was a complex maneuver involving 3 columns and ended up failing to do what it was intended to do, due to bad execution. Mac wasn't on the field to command this one, as he usually was. He was some distance way moving orders through his field telegram."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nAfter the rebels were flushed out of Philippi, Mac proceeded to make offensive operations against their defensive network on Laurel Mountain and Rich Mountain, towards the Tygart valley river. In Rich Mountain, Mac was under the spell of the chronic delusion that the enemy's force was larger than his own. He observed that attacks on fortified enemies were dangerous in the Crimean war and didn't want a repeat of those debacles under his auspices. He received information of a trial bypassing the confederate defenses on Rich Mountain and ordered Rosecrans to take a brigade and go behind the rebs. After rain delayed this movement for several hours he grew nervous and recalled this attack, but it never reached Rosecrans, who arrived in his position very late and attacked the rebels behind their main position up Rich Mountain. Mac heard the sounds of battle and was reduced into a deplorable state more or less, then dawdled and hesitated on whether to attack the confederate position concurrently with Rosecrans attack as their original plan entailed or not, but he decided to just sit on his ass and do nothing. The flanking attack was a success and split the rebel fortifications at Rich Mountain from the Tygart valley, and occupied the road to Beverly, the line of comms and retreat for the rebels. The rebs retreated during that night and were pursued. Thus ended the first, and one of the rare pitched battles Mac was in personal command of; he sat on his ass and did nothing. He had no problems slurping up al the credit, though, and even fiercely criticized his subordinate Morris for not being aggressive enough against rebels defending Laurel Mountain."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nOP, since he is a cock sucking retarded son of a bitch, isn't aware that Mac wasn't on the field in any of those battles. Nor does he understand the context of these engagements - like Mechanicsville, where the rebels made a series of frontal assaults on fortified union troops poised on hills behind a creek, or Gaines' Mill where the same happened as the union army was in full flight back down the peninsula, or Malvern Hill where the rebels also made a series of concentrated frontal attacks on prepared union positions. More importantly, Mac wasn't in the field commanding in any of these engagements, for better or worse. So he can't take any credit for anything 'good' that came out of them, which was practically nothing - they were all just rearguard actions that concluded with resumption of his army's retreat. But he sure as fuck can take all the criticism he can get for not being on the field, and for failing to orchestrate his campaign on a strategic basis (like failing to cut off Johnston in the peninsula early on, at Williamsburg and several other locations).\n\nAs for the part where he got handed Lee's marching orders, that speaks for itself. McClellan is hands down one of the bottom 3 generals of the American civil war before you bring this one up. But once you do, he's hands down *the* worst army level general to have held command in the war on either side. His incompetence in Maryland probably extended the war by a year."}, {"id": 83, "content": "OP categorically btfo"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\n>thinking his Telegrams are the new hot thing in military command\nWell, he was right"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\n>he's hands down *the* worst army level general to have held command in the war on either side\nOkay I have to stop you there. I don't like McClellan, but I'd take him over Banks any day.\nAlso Benjamin Butler and, if we include Confederate generals, Theophilus Holmes were basically just McClellan but worse. Holmes didn't even have the administrative skills of the other two. Just the indecisiveness."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>80\n>couple hundred miles away\nHe was scouting Harrison Landing which is 17 miles away.\nWhy are you so absurdly out of touch with reality?\n>wasn’t personally present\nHe was present for Beaver Dam Creek and Gaines mill. Why do you say he wasn’t?\nWhy lie?\nI want an answer."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>3\nI got the West Point Atlas of War: Civil War for my sixth birthday, and I've hated McClellan ever since."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>80\nMcClellan was the personal commander for two of the three of those battles.\n>ironically\nMcClellan wasnt hesitating, he was cautious and he took far fewer casualties than any of his contemporaries because of it.\n>uh he fought les-\nnope, he fought more large scale battles in rapid succession than any other Union general, and he took less casualties than any other Union general.\nThis is just a fact.\nIf he was so bad, why does he outlcass everyone else?\n>>81\n>the spell of a chronic delusion\n\"You can never overestimate your enemy\" t. Garl Von Glauswitz\nFeel free to argue.\n>rare pitched battles Mac was in personal command of\nHe was in personal command for Gaines Mill and Beaver Dam Creek.\n>>82\n>wasnt on the field\nHe was literally on the field for both Beaver Dam Creek and Gaines Mill.\n>rebels made a frontal assault on fortified Union troops\nWho had it as a standing order to dig in?\nRight McClellan, and he did not know Lee was going to attack, fortunately he was prudent and even when not present, his direct orders inflicted heavy casualties on the confederates.\n>in any of these engagements\nhe was at both \"Mechanicsville\" Beaver Dam and Gaines Mill actively commanding Men as the battle unfolded.\nWhy lie?\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beaver_Dam_Creek#Battle\n>Jackson did not attack, but his presence near Porter's flank caused McClellan to order Porter to withdraw after dark behind Boatswain's Swamp, five miles (8 km) to the east.\nLiterally giving orders.\n\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaines%27_Mill#Battle\n>As they proceeded eastward and approached Gaines' Mill at about the time that D.H. Hill's men were engaged, Porter formally asked McClellan to send Slocum's division across the Chickahominy over Alexander's Bridge to support him. Hill directed the brigades of Maxcy Gregg and Lawrence O'Bryan Branch to spearhead the assault, as they had not been engaged at Beaver Dam Creek and were well-rested.\nAgain, an active general."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>82\nIf he was so bad, why did he get such good results? When he was removed, why was no other Union general able to pull off what he pulled off even with 2x the manpower?\n>>83\nby someone who literally lies about McClellan's participating in battle and is just factually incorrect claiming McClellan was \"hundreds of miles away\" when he was off scouting less than 20 miles away.\n>>87\nWhy?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>80\n>>81\n>>82\nYou clearly havent read anything written after 1960, the mcclellan on the ship thing was debunked and the captured orders thing has also been totally debunked at this point, McClellan moved quickly and promptly and the orders were basically a nothingburger lacking in detail, several days old and mostly confirming what was already known"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMcClellan's greatest mistake was having politics contrary to those of King Lincoln, and also having the charisma and ambition to be a threat to his power. And for that the smears against him started immediately and continued for the next hundred and fifty years or so, and it's only relatively recently that people have started to look beyond the line of the Cult of Lincoln and start to reassess his abilities and his accomplishments as a general."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>McClellan examples are all cherry picked from the early war before anyone knew what they were doing and one was basically a minor skirmish in a backwater theater\n>Other two were still strategic losses because Little Mac withdrew even after \"winning\" the battle\n>Grant examples are all major battles against entrenched positions at the end of the war when the Confederates have 3 years of experience and are fighting defensively in excellent defensive positions\n\nGee I wonder why? No one hates on McClellan's actual battlefield tactics (other than at Antietam maybe), although his tactics were kind of uninspired. They hate McClellan because he wouldn't fight, and when forced to fight he would completely frieze up afterwords and was a strategic hot mess. McClellan was an organizer, logistical expert, and an excellent engineer. But he was awful as a field commander. I will also posit that McClellan's decent battlefield performances were more because of the caliber of a handful of the Union Corps commanders, sheer dumb luck, and the relative inexperience of both armies during his tenure.\n\nGrant was even worse as a strategist and engineer, but he was a better field commander in the sense that he understood his staff and Corps commanders and was willing to let them do what the do best. He also had the willingness to expend lives and material that McClellan lacked.\n\nTo paraphrase Lee, a good general (McClellan) must love the army, a great general must be willing to order the death of the thing he loves (Grant)."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>43\n>if you take the capital you win!\nSee, this is the kind of thinking that middle schools instill in children because it's simple enough for even a mediocre teacher to explain. The problem is not rethinking this and questioning the idea at least by the time you finish high school.\n>>74\n>what is a war of attrition?\nGrant couldn't deal a decisive blow to the Confederacy either. Confederate armies were never destroyed, they were still physically and logistically capable of fighting, but surrendered because they had finally gotten to the economic breaking point after years of war and there was no hope to win."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\n>>McClellan examples are all cherry picked from the early war\nIt wasn't right after the beginning of the war, it was after Lee was put in command of the Army of Northern Virginia, but before the Confederacy became crippled and drained of resources. The \"early war\" that you are dismissing was the highest point of the confederacy and the only time they had some semblance of a chance of winning the war.\n>>before anyone knew what they were doing\nJackson, Lee and McClellan certainly knew what they were doing.\n>>and one was basically a minor skirmish in a backwater theater\nVirginia is a backwater theater? LMAO\n>>Grant examples are all major battles against entrenched positions at the end of the war when the Confederates have 3 years of experience\nAre you actually going to argue that the confederacy was in a better situation in 1864 than in 1862?\n>He also had the willingness to expend lives and material that McClellan lacked.\n>You win when you destroy your own army."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nlolno Grant was a much better strategist because he understood that it wasn't enough to occupy enemy territory, you also had to cripple his ability to wage war. he also knew that the entire Union war machine had to work as a whole instead of the various armies fighting their own separate wars with no coordination."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>5\nThe wars that created Germany and Italy were pretty important tbqh"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\nNapoleon once said \"Anyone whose eyes fill with tears at the sight of the battlefield will never be a great general.\""}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>82\n>But once you do, he's hands down *the* worst army level general to have held command in the war on either side.\nNow you are being absolutely delusional.\nMcClellan never had a military disaster anywhere close to shit like this. Again, the biggest criticism made against him is that \"he was too slow, too hesitant, didn't want to fully commit his troops\", you can't seriously claim that's worse than the generals who committed their troops and got btfod against inferior forces."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>73\nMost of the actual fighting in the Seven Days Battles was done by Fitz-John Porter and McClellan had almost no involvement outside sitting in his HQ at Harrison's Landing writing fulminating letters to his wife about how Lincoln and Stanton wouldn't let him have an additional 50,000 troops and it was all their fault if this campaign was lost."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\n>the only time they had some semblance of a chance of winning the war\nOnly because they mobilized faster (and had a temporary numerical advantage), and had higher moral. But their tactics were absolute dogshit in the early years and you know it. They still thought it was 1840 and fought like it. At First Bull Run the majority of volleys didn't even hit anything and went over the heads of the opposing armies. During the Peninsula campaign much of the Confederate army was armed with fucking smooth bores and shotguns. Their artillery was almost useless because they couldn't hit shit.\n\nSo yeah, the Confederates had some advantages early in the war, but ultimately at that point NO ONE knew what they doing.\n\n>Jackson, Lee and McClellan certainly knew what they were doing\nJackson was insanely aggressive and took crazy risks at a time when most commanders were totally new to the game and overly cautious. His reputation is entirely due to the fact that he died before any one of his plans backfired. He unironically ordered SPEARS to arm some of his Men.\n\n>Lee and McClellan\nThey had some idea of what they were doing, particularly in logistics and engineering, but both commanders wouldn't really get \"good\" until after the Peninsula campaign.\n\n>confederacy was in a better situation in 1864 than in 1862\nNo, I said their tactics were defensive. What do you think is going to cause higher casualties, attacking amateurs who are assaulting your entrenchments over open fields or attacking veterans who are behind their own entrenchments and have 3 years of experience in how best to inflict massive casualties?\n\n>Virginia is a backwater theater\nWest Virginia you tit\n\n>>95\nYeah, to a certain extent I would agree with that. Grant was better at Grand Strategy. But his local strategy was never all that great.\n>inb4 Vicksburg\nVicksburg was mostly failure until he finally got across the river."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>62\n>McClellan was sabotaged by the War Dept because they just didnt like him.\n\nMost of the West Pointers were Democrats, a few like David Hunter, Burnside, and George Meade were not. Grant and Sherman had not started out Republicans or abolitionists either however they adapted themselves to the administration's program and didn't sit around carping about it."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nobserve that Hunter and Burnside kept getting assignments despite their gross ineptitude because they were on the right side of polly ticks"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nNah, everyone knows Burnside kept getting appointments because of his glorious facial hair."}, {"id": 104, "content": "Burnside was probably right that he didn't belong in command of more than a brigade but also he was stabbed in the back by all the McClellan groupies in the AoP during the Fredericksburg campaign, most notably William Franklin and of course Joe Hooker who wanted command of the army for himself. They were all Democrats and also displeased about the Emancipation Proclamation."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>101\nMeade was part of an old blue blood Philadelphia family that had once been Federalists and eventually Republicans. Despite his politics he was respected by his subordinates for all the times he was in the thick of battle during the AoP's various campaigns and for being an Eastern blue blood in an army dominated by these types."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>98\n>McClellan never had a military disaster anywhere close to shit like this\nHe had 20000 troops in reserve at antetam,the confederate centre had been weakened to preserve its flanks, he failed, the ANV withdrew the next day instead of being destroyed by a derisive attack, which, like his failure at the peninsular could have ended the war"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n>why didn't he do this maneuver? When you look at a bird's eye view of the battlefield with full knowledge of the position of each unit of both armies and hindsight that the enemy are going to retreat it all looks so obvious!"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nWhats the point in having troops loitering in reserve if you dont use them?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nI remember attending a ranger walk at Gettysburg where some kid was like, \"what if they had machine guns,\" and the ranger responded with \"what if they had radios is far more interesting of a question.\"\n\n>>108\nContingency. Plug gaps, extend your line, respond to retreats or unexpected flank attacks, etc. Also to act as a rear guard if you need to retreat."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nTo plug the gap if the enemy breaks through one of your formations or to check the advance of an enemy unit you didn't know existed before commiting to battle.\nReserves aren't used to pull fancy tactics, they are kept back for a sudden emergency, that's why they are called \"reserves\"."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>92\n>cherrypicked\nCherrypicked from what? He was never allowed to serve on the front again when he was removed.\n>before anyone knew what they were doing\n???\nThey had a solid core of veteran officers from multiple wars on both sides and McClellan took command months into the war, it wasnt like they were one off victories in the opening moves of the conflict, There had already been large scale engagements such as Manassas, Shiloh and to a lesser extent Wilsons Creek which was really one of the first battles to employ thousand man sweeping maneuvers.\n>strategic losses\nYou mean like Hannibal lost because Cannae was just a field and he immediately gave it up and moved somewhere else?\nMcClellans strategy was to move his way toward Richmond, inflict heavy casualties, and lose the fewest men possible, he did this expertly.\nHe never met with disaster, he never lost the upper hand, and he never allowed his enemy to rest or assert their will, McClellan's force was always an immovable juggernaut which could only herded with great effort and the most one sided casualty ratios ever inflicted on the confederates.\n>uninspired\nThey are novel and he demonstrated an ability to do more than try to 'Win Waterloo'.\nHe was more of a Gustavus Adolphus in Poland.\n>he wouldnt fight\nHe fought for Seven days straight and had a Lee vs Grant tier KDR.\nhow is this not the ideal general given the advantages of the North?\nSherman made a prediction prior to the war stating the South would have extreme early success, they would have their best chance at victory during the opening, however as the war dragged on the Union manpower and industrial power would assert itself, the South could not produce or bleed like the Union could.\nMcClellan and his Fabien tactics were the ideal for the Union, forcing the South into pitched battles and utilizing the extreme advantage in Union manpower and economy.\nGrant didnt love the army."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\n>Fabien tactics were the ideal for the Union, forcing the South into pitched battles\nI'm not sure you know what a Fabian strategy is"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>93\nTaking the capitol would have been catastrophic for the Confederacy because it was also the largest industrial and supply center in Virginia and losing Richmond would mean Virginia is indefensible as the Union now control the railways and can use the river system to lock out the Confederates, Virginia alone produced more than the rest of the Confederacy combined, they lose Virginia, they lose over half of their material capability.\nThat is not something you come back from\nMcClellan didnt fail as much as he was sabotaged and did the prudent thing which is withdraw and find out who in the war dept was withholding his supplies.\n\nIf McClellan had the full support of the Republicans, he gets 150,000 men in Virginia, supplied by ship, with a secure supply route, and digs in on peninsulas on jumping their way to Richmond and moving heavy naval guns up, Richmond is bombarded indefinitely, the Confederates are totally unable to dislodge 150,000 men from Virginia, and the war concludes whenever the Confederates decide Richmond is -ACKmutt and they lose 60% of their country's war-making ability."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>95\n>cripple his ability to wage war\nwhich Grant never did, the Confederates were never in a position where they could not fight, Lee surrendered when they were in a position where their chance at White Peace was 0%, not at the point where they could not fight.\nHe even stated they could make a breakthrough and realistically had a good chance of breaking Sheridan and making it beyond the mountains or further South, neither instance sees a Confederate victory in anything but the few days of \"respite\" they manage while seeing their homeland pass in myth."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>88\nI will reply to this post only and ignore the rest of your samefagging just to drive the point home that the limit for your historical knowledge is skimming over Wikipedia pages;\n\nIn Mechanicsville, McClellan wasn't present in command, it was, in fact, the very first instance in the entirety of the campaign where he personally witnessed any combat. Unless if you count the few times where he arrived on a battle's aftermath to absorb all the credit (Williamsburg).\n\nIn Gaines' Mill, McClellan's headquarters was based south of the Chickahominy, some considerable distance from the battlefield. He was completely clueless that a battle was raging there throughout the day, and thought it was just a rebel demonstration.\n\n>scouting Harrison's landing\nWhy would McClellan scout his own last headquarters near Haxhall's? this is the final straw that demonstrates how clueless you are on this topic, you have literally no idea what you are talking about."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>106\n>McClellan didnt see through the fog of war with 30k gold spies\ndamn.\nMcClellan's Reserves were being held not for a decisive strike but to prevent disaster as he didn't know what the confederates were going to try, he did this as a direct result of Manassas where Pope smelled blood in the water and as it turns out, it was his own, and the Union nearly lost some 70k men, an entire army by a few hours, if Lee had been faster, if Longstreet rode faster, Hood pushed his men further, if the cavalry pushes for the river crossings, it would have been war ending.\nIf the AOP goes down at Manassas, Washington is empty, there are no close reserves, and Lee could hurl himself all the way to Boston unopposed."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>109\nnah, based kid, machine guns are cooler."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>112\ntrading ground for blood.\n>>115\n>wasnt present\n>literally giving orders\nmake that make sense.\n>his HQ wasnt in the front lines\nno one's HQ was ever in the front lines, you didnt even know Lee's HQ was further from the battle than McClellan's at Antietam in the last thread until I MYSELF told (You).\n>why would he scout somewhere he had already been\nbecause there is a fog of war and this isnt a videogame where the map is \"explored\".\n\nMcClellan's command speaks for itself, when he was in charge, the Union was winning, and winning bigly. When he was removed, the tables were totally turned and even with a 3:1 advantage the Union NEVER came close to inflicting the same amount of damage McClellan did while taking comparable losses to McClellan.\n\n>you literally have no idea\nYou confused 100 miles with 17 miles.\nYou are literally too uninformed to discuss ACW history.\nGo back to 1970."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>unknown\nnothing was moved, my arguments were entirely in the defense of McClellan, I pushed for nothing in the affirmative."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>115\nwhat book is that pic from?"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>111\n>Cherrypicked from what?\nYou chose McClellan's 3 best performances and 3 of Grants worst you absolut nigger.\n>he never allowed his enemy to rest or assert their will\nUh, the 7 days and the entire aftermath of the Maryland campaign? Also McClellan's performance on the Peninsula was hilariously bad. He could have (and should have) taken Richmond in a matter of days and instead spent months jerking off and advancing a meter a day.\n>McClellan and his Fabien tactics were the ideal for the Union\nThey weren't Fabien tactics and, ultimately, you have to you know, actually kill the enemy at some point to win.\n\nAlso, you are completely ignoring the political realities of the war. No one gave a flying fuck about k/d ratios. Northern moral was low and they needed decisive battlefield victories whether or not it was more convenient strategically for Mac to sit behind entrenchments for years and wait for the Confederates to come to him. You have to remember that at this point in the war it was looking increasingly likely that Britain and France would come into the war on the side of the Confederacy, or at least ally with them. Union manpower and industry wasn't a totally sure bet at that point and hindsight is 20/20. There was also the issue of enlistment periods. The Union needed victory before the enlistments were up and the Army depleted. The point is, the Union political situation was such that the public wanted victory sooner rather than later and doing nothing like Little Mac was actually worse than loosing a battle, because at least loosing was doing SOMETHING. He then compounded the issue by refusing to work with the political system. You complain about how the bureaucrats and politicians back stabbed McClellan, conveniently glossing over the fact that Mac went out of his way to alienate and belittle them. What the fuck did he expect?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nabe looked much darker than this, and his face was significantly more haggard. I hate how these reconstructions often make people look babyfaced and paler than they were."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>8\n\nBASED"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember him from Smash Bros.. Terrible character to play as except maybe if you really know what you're doing."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>118\n>trading ground for blood.\nYou should google \"fabian strategy\" genius"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\nHe's in"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFunny how everyone posed with their hands in their jacket just because nappy had a rash"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>120\nStephan Sears' McClellan: The Young Napoleon"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>115\n>anon expects commanders to be up there in the thick of the fighting side by side with their men in the 19th century\nI guess that worked fine for Jackson, until it didn't."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nIs it unreasonable to expect commanders to be at a distance from which they can actually command? Jackson was twice the commander McClellan ever was"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nWhat does it mean to \"command\"? Are you claiming that McClellan had no effect at all in the campaign? If not, then what's the difference between whatever you think McClellan did, regarding his army, and \"commanding\"?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nAll I'm claiming is that when a battle is occurring, such as the Battle of Glendale, a commander in McClellan's position should be in a position to observe the battle so as to be in a position to make decisions. Are you saying that's unreasonable? Distance certainly hindered his performance at Antietam."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>125\ntrading blood for ground is peak Fabien as per the definition.\n>The Fabian strategy is a military strategy where pitched battles and frontal assaults are avoided in favor of wearing down an opponent through a war of attrition and indirection.\nAlso it doesnt even have to be identical to what the Romans employed, it could simply be more like a Fabien strategy than what anyone else was doing, though it does fit the criteria.\nWhat was the point of your posts?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>unknown\n>climate change\n>\"has the data shown any human impact\"\n>no\n>\"so why do you believe its real\"\n>IT JUST IS"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>121\n>three best\nThose were his only performances save for Antietam and South Mountain, South Mountain also looks like those battles.\n>Grant's worst\nThose are the largest battles Grant ever partook in.\nThey arent cherrypicked.\n>uh the 7 days\nYou mean where the confederates had to attack him? Yes, that is him preventing them from exerting their will, they werent able to dive toward Washington or simply go around him like they did with other generals.\n>Maryland campaign\n????\nMcClellan was removed after that, if you mean why didnt he pursue, because Lee had set up defensive positions at narrow crossings and valleys lel.\n>he should have taken Richmond but was too slow\nhe moved faster than Grant toward Richmond.\n>they werent Fabien tactics\nThey meet the definition of Fabien tactics.\n>actually kill the enemy at some point to win\nhis military record attests to his ability to strike at the enemy.\n>BUT HE DIDNT RUSH HIS MEN FORWARD\nwhich means he never fought, McClellan's men just never attacked, you said \"at some point you have to kil the enemy\" implying he never killed anyone or fought any battles.\nYou are deluded.\n>political realities of the war\nRepublicans didnt like him, I already mentioned this.\n>Northern Moral was low\nHAHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHAA\nIt was famously high when McClellan was in charge, read more.\n>decisive battlefield victories\nThe public will not know what that looks like, in fact NO ONE knows what that looks like till the war is over.\nThe South believed Morgan's raid to be some great saving grace, when it did absolutely nothing. The South considered Gettysburg a trivial loss, when it was the pivot of the war.\n>increasingly likely Britain or France\nno, Britain was threatened with war by Russia and France was already in a war with Mexico.\n>Union advantages werent a sure bet\nYes they were and everyone said as much, both sides said this.\nRead more.\n>doing nothing\nfighting battles and sieging a capitol isnt \"nothing\""}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>121\n>Something\nYou mean the same something which caused Lincoln to consider capitulating?\nMorale went down after McClellan was gone publicly and in the Army.\n>just be a Republican bro\nunrealistic demands during wartime.\n>alienate\nnope\n>belittle\nnope\n>what did he expect\nNot to get his own supply line made defunct BY HIS OWN SIDE while he was overseeing 100,000 fucking men in hostile territory\nLMFAO HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAA"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\n>>no\nlol"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>132\nWith armies numbering in the tens of thousands of men a commander can't be everywhere at once. McClellan built a well-oiled machine that couldn't be defeated decisively no matter what the confederates threw at it. Blaming McClellan for not being directly involved in every single engagement is a very abstract criticism when his supposed absence never resulted in a military disaster, while other generals (of either side) did suffer those repeatedly. McClellan was definitely not negligent, he just preferred to give more freedom to his subordinate officers instead of directing their every movement, which, btw, was the up-to-date command doctrine of the late 19th century, leading your men from the front and telling every subordinate officer what to do and how to do it was outdated."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>137\nThat is currently what the data suggests, tho"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>135\n>>136\nOh never mind, I made the mistake of thinking you were serious and had some idea of what the fuck you are talking about. I see that I was mistaken. Come back when you have something better than \"read more\" and \"lol.\""}, {"id": 141, "content": "My opinion on the matter is that \"incompetence\" would be the wrong word to describe McClellan, on the whole.\n\nI subscribe to the same view of McClellan that was held by Ulysses S. Grant. To him, and to myself, \"McClellan is the great mystery of the war.\" He performed so admirably in some areas of command, and so abysmally poor in others, that it's too easy to simply lump him in with other incompetents who served in high command during the war, and equally impossible to say he's underrated or misunderstood.\n\nMcClellan's greatest flaw is hard to pin down, as he had many. Was it his arrogance, which led to dysfunction between himself and virtually any individual that tried to command or otherwise direct him? Maybe. Was it his perfectionism, which led to his slowness on the march and in battle and resulted in many missed opportunities that might have shortened the war? Maybe. Was it his inherent caution and predilection to overestimate enemy forces and potential? Maybe.\n\nMy argument would be that McClellan's greatest flaw is that he lacked the moral courage to command an army in the field against a determined enemy. That is not to say he is a coward, per se, as he was exposed to enemy fire numerous times during the Mexican War and never shrank from it. Rather, what I mean is that he lacked the personal constitution to do what needed to be done in high stress environments. He couldn't cope with the blood and death, with the uncertainty inherent in large military operations, the fact that the enemy did not go along with his meticulous plans, the sheer weight of responsibility resting on his shoulders, and how that might reflect on him if things went wrong.\n\nHe did not share the beliefs he managed to instill within his army. Although he outwardly proclaimed utter confidence in himself and his abilities, he believed that his men and his government would fail him at the moment of greatest danger. He shrunk from danger consistently, costing the lives of many men."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>8\n>\"he wasn't winning the war fast enough\"\n>the Union army and the U.S. Government existed in a vaccum outside of the realm of public opinion"}, {"id": 143, "content": "it was the curse of many West Pointers that they never entirely figured out that IRL battles do not work like the diagrams in military textbooks."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>141\nthe worst part was that the Army of the Potomac was infected with his mentality almost to the end and Grant could never entirely cleanse it of that. slow, always missing opportunities, plagued by political infighting, defeatist, always afraid of what Lee was up to, and so on."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>142\nWhy isn't the argument of \"he didn't win the war fast enough\" thrown against Grant? He was a general for a longer period of time than McClellan. Why didn't Grant win the war by July 1864?\nIf you want to say that all generals of the American civil war were incompetent, then you do you, but criticizing McClellan so heavily while at the same time lauding Grant (or any other Union general) as some military genius is ridiculous."}, {"id": 146, "content": "McClellan created his own homoerotic personality cult in AoP with a bunch of fudge packing groupies like William Franklin and Fitz John-Porter and they all had bareback anal sex in his tent while acting super catty and bitchy that Lincoln was holding them back and wouldn't let them have 50,000 more troops."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\n>Why didn't Grant win the war by July 1864?\nUnfortunately it took almost a year because Grant was still cursed with the army that McClellan built, an army of overly cautious officers who lacked drive and initiative and got spooked by the Confederates easily."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>142\nListening to muh public opinion is what caused military diseasters in the early war\n\n>attack them now!!!"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>144\nMissing opportunity for glorious charges like at Cold Harbour?"}, {"id": 150, "content": "Ben Butler literally could have walked into Richmond in May 1864 but a couple of Confederate militia and home guards comprised of teenagers and 50 year olds showed up and he shit his pants and went \"nopenopenope.\" That was the kind of retardation that dragged the war out needlessly."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, he saved the Union, but was too conservative so he was derided both during the war then moreso afterwards"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>144\nThat happened in the West as well. You had McClellanite generals like Don Carlos Buell and also in early 1865 when Grant told Edward Canby to march on Mobile he instead decided it was a great idea to rebuild railroad lines in Alabama. Grant told him what is your problem, soldier? go burn and loot the Alabama countryside instead of playing Kinex. He actually was going to send Phil Sheridan down there to handle that campaign but then decided he was needed in Virginia."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\nButler was not a professional soldier to be sure but his two corps commanders Baldy Smith and Quincy Gillmore were West Pointers and proved equally useless. Quite sad, really. He blew his chance and then allowed Beauregard to arrive with a real army, kick his shit in at City Point, and box him up on the Virginia Peninsula."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nWhy do amerikeks hate their own supply lines so much"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\nBuell had been without a job since getting booted from the Army of Ohio after Perryville. Grant offered him an assignment to serve under Sherman but the humorless Buell declared that he outranked Sherman and would not accept, so he resigned from the Army and went back to civilian life. Perhaps not helping things was Andrew Johnson sending Lincoln a hotly worded telegram that went \"I trust in God that General Buell will not be sent to Tennessee. We were cursed with him here once and do not desire its repetition.\""}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>146\nthat's pretty kinky"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>145\n1. when Grant was on top of the AoP, expectations and opinions on the war had already changed significantly. Ending the war quickly was no longer a bullet point.\n2. McClellan was given two chances and fucked up on both, Grant on the other hand split the confederacy before being placed on top of operations in the east front\n3. Grant didn't skedaddle like McClellan did. He made headway, slowly but surely, and kept the brunt of the confederacy's army locked in place, this also was an achievement of its own."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>153\n>box him up on the Virginia Peninsula\nBermuda Hundred, you mean."}, {"id": 159, "content": "the best general of the war was the guy named after the president of the Confederacy, who fought for the Union, who walked up and shot dead another Union general and still got to command a corps"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>153\nBaldy Smith was also a notorious McClellan dick biter and largely responsible for creating the Grant drunk maymay as well as being part of the clique that knifed Burnside during the Fredericksburg campaign. He finally ended up exiled to New York awaiting orders that never came.\n\n>>152\nCanby almost gave Smith a command in his army until Grant said hell fucking no."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>159\nmediocre and unremarkable general. deserved to be executed for what he did, also never got a rank higher than a colonel if memory serves me well. he's a dark spot on American history"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>159\nWas Jefferson C. Davis who shot William Nelson. Since Nelson was a Democrat and Southboo, his death wasn't overly mourned however Davis did get penalized some by remaining a brigadier general for the rest of the war."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>157\nNo, nothing changed, they still wanted a swift end.\nMcClellan was sabotaged, he could not get shoes to his men due to Halleck while Halleck gave Grant 40,000 men from the Washington garrison.\nAnd no Grant did not divide the Confederacy. 80% of the industry and supply was in the East for the comfederacy.\n>made headway slowly but surely\nTook him half a year to get where McClellan got in weeks, Grant also failed in his two objectives, he was given two explicit objectives, Defeat Lee or Take Richmond, he did neither and Richmond itself was unguarded at the time.\nNo, he did not keep Lee locked in place. Lee was able to detach an entire corps, something he could not do when McClellan was around."}, {"id": 164, "content": "And then after William Rosecrans got booted from the Army of the Cumberland he ended up commanding in Missouri. Grant ordered him to dispatch some troops to reinforce Sherman but Rosecrans said that horrible stuff would happen and secessionists were making dangerous plots in the state so he needed every last available man. needless to say Grant was not impressed by his predictions of dire catastrophe if he sent Sherman those troops."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>157\n>ending the war quickly just wasn't important anymore\nlmao"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>152\nGrant hated Buell because without Buell Shiloh is a confederate win."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>163\n>>165\nthey wanted a swift end, but Lincoln surely realized that waltzing into Richmond with a bigger army wasn't still possible."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>147\n>cursed with the army that was the superior to Grant’s Western army in every way\nlel. You know Grant had a breakdown and was bullied by the AOP officers right? Meade who had credibility with the Men had to give his approval to Grant before Grant was taken seriously.\n>spooked easily\nYou do know they had less major routes than the army of the West right?"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>146\nLincoln had no issue giving 40,000 men to Grant."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>163\n>Took him half a year to get where McClellan got in weeks\ndumb McClellan simp. Big Mac might as well as be on the other side of the planet since he wasn't pushing for Richmond and floored it as soon as shit got real. There's no parallel between the two here aside from the distance you dumb mongrel. Grant did something completely unprecedented in the civil war hitherto - he actually crossed the Rappahannock and managed to stay across it. He pushed his weight around. He didn't adhere to the rules that his enemies set. He casually marched by the army of Virginia over to Richmond after Lee \"defeated\" him. He wasn't a pussy, he didn't let his enemy buckbreak him, he didn't step down like McClellan, Burnside and Hooker did.\n\nDownplaying Vicksburg isn't gonna get you anywhere else than the summit of Mt. Disingenuous by the way.\n\n>Lee was able to detach an entire corps\nA skeleton corps, and him detaching a 'corps' to defend Bermuda hundred was just playing into his plan. Grant got the rebels into a position where they were damned no matter what they did and every move was a losing one, while McClellan got handed detailed enemy plans and managed to wrench a bittersweet 'victory' with them."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>166\nactually Buell was a douchebag who tried to stab him in the back following Ft. Donelson and also an unabashed pro-slavery Democrat. he was probably one of the single douchiest Union generals in the entire war. way back in the 1840s when he was a young junior officer he almost got court martialed for beating an enlisted man who disrespected him."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>144\nCleanse it of what? Being the best army in the Union?\nNeed you be reminded when the weaker of Lee’s forces were sent West they completely stomped on the Western armies.\nThe AOP was vastly superior to anything in the West. Probably owning to them more Northern European and raised in a harsher climate than the Southern Germans of the West."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>unknown\nIt is Fabian because it is less Napoleon and more Gustavus Adolphus. As I said, it does not need to be cut and dried identical to the military definition of a Fabian strategy. It incorporated enough elements from it that it became distinguishable ironically from the wannabe Napoleons who believed battles could only ever be large sweeping maneuvers and head long charges.\nIt was far more sophisticated than anything any other Union general came up with. It was in the field never decisively beaten as the records demonstrate."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>141\nMcClellan was correct about the government betraying him. They really did have it in for the guy because he was successful.\nGrants memoirs are all lies btw. Everyone who read it also said so. Grant was an excellent politician. His war memoirs were about politely burying opponents he secretly hated/feared would steal his thunder and humble bragging achievements which trivial in nature would be played up to be grand and brilliant."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>140\nWell I did list specific examples and only told you to read more because you got things factually wrong.\nYour inability to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong and make another less fallacious argument is what lead to making such a low effort bad faith post here where you look for an out."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>171\n>he was a douche bro\nyeah? So What? He saved Grant’s bacon at Shiloh which lead to animosity between the two of them. Grant famously in his memoirs lied about Buell and claimed Shiloh could have been won without him. While the reality is the Confederates claimed victory at the end of day one and the Union had no intention of staging a counter attack till 15,000 fresh soldiers arrived.\nPeople like Ord were tolerated, liked, and even covered for by the Halleck gang. Ord was had a bunch of secret letters hoping the confederacy would win, this was suppressed by Halleck and the evidence destroyed."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\n>His war memoirs were about politely burying opponents\nGrant's memoirs where written when he was dying and penniless and wanted to provide for his family before he finally kicked it.\n\nIf you want to read the memoirs of someone who is ACTUALLY just trying to bury political opponents go read Jeff Davis' memoirs."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, McLellan was based. He may have overestimated the the size of the enemy but still. God forbid a general not want to send his soldiers into a potential meatgrinder, which would have fallen into the Southern plan to make the Northerners spend so much blood they wouldn't want to continue fighting."}, {"id": 179, "content": "I respect McClellan for being considerate of his troops and not whimsically sending people to die attacking fortifications upfront like grant habitually did, but in the reality of war and politics this made him the worse commander. Also he was rather petty and vindictive to those that displeased or disagreed with him."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>177\n>If you want to read the memoirs of someone who is ACTUALLY just trying to bury political opponents go read Jeff Davis' memoirs.\nOr for that matter McClellan's self-serving memoir."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>177\nBeauregard famously refused to attend Davis's funeral as he said \"There wasn't a single thing I agree with him on.\""}, {"id": 182, "content": ">The Army of the Potomac was running lean in June 1863. Next to the battlefield casualties sustained at Chancellorsville, a large number of nine month regiments recruited the previous fall were going home with their enlistment terms expiring. The army took only about 80,000 men into Pennsylvania while it had had around 100,000 in April. To be fair there were plenty of other troops available: the eternal Washington garrison, whole divisions down on the Virginia Peninsula, assorted brigades and regiments here and there, but these were not for Joe Hooker. The War Department would not let him have them and when he asked for them, he received assorted excuses and nagging in return. It was obvious that Halleck and Stanton did not want Hooker in command of the army for another battle, but were trying to get him to bow out by resigning rather than simply firing him outright--nobody could trust that he might get cold feet again, this time on Northern soil where defeat was inadmissible. No doubt they had in mind what George Meade referred to as \"the ridiculous image we present of changing our commander after every battle.\"[3]"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>180\n>>171\nBuell never wrote a memoir but he contributed a series of \"I dindonuffin\" articles to some newspaper defending his actions during the war."}, {"id": 184, "content": "What is it about this website and idiot contrarians who read wikipedia and think they're experts?"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>146\nGrant had suggested Franklin, an old friend of his since West Point, to command in the Shenandoah Valley but Franklin was politically suspect, had never displayed any notable battlefield prowess, and also recovering from a wound sustained during the Red River Campaign. So Lincoln said hell fucking no. Well, Grant accepted that and didn't whine about it like McClellan surely would have.\n\nNot that the clueless Franklin knew yet that his career as a general was done. in August 1864 he was writing to Baldy Smith saying that the Shenandoah command would be a neat assignment and the two of them should consider taking it."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>184\nWikipedia has the same attitude towards McClellan, that he was a good logistical guy but he didn’t have the guts to lead"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">Looking at the situation from his desk in Washington DC, Edwin Stanton felt that this army was not quite subordinate to the civilian branch of government and he saw cliques everywhere--officers who had been friends since West Point, the Mexican War, the Indian wars on the Plains, and he resolved to break them up. The destruction of Fitz-John Porter was just the beginning; it was a message sent to any officers who would not go along with the administration's program for winning the war. There was no room for the McClellans, Buells, or Porters of the world, that body of officers who were overtly Democrats, who did not hide their admiration for the South, and who would not accept abolition of slavery as a fact.[9]"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>187\nMcClellan at least saved his nastiest anti-administration remarks for his private letters to his wife but Porter actually told a newspaper reporter that Lincoln was a massive faggot."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>188\nPorter had the bad luck to clash with John Pope, a Republican hard war general. Neither of them commanded an army in the Civil War again but Pope remained in the army and eventually retired in the 1880s a major general."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>184\nMcClellan bad Grant good is the wikipedia take"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>188\n> Porter actually told a newspaper reporter that Lincoln was a massive faggot\nBased and correct."}, {"id": 192, "content": "Joe Johnson remarked of the situation in May 1862 that \"Nobody but McClellan could have hesitated to attack.\""}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\nThe army of northern Virginia had been defeated after seven pines. McClellan was undeniably advancing towards Richmond and he had no qualms about going on the offensive. Johnston was then wounded and replaced by the much more competent Lee.\nMcClellan only stopped his advance towards Richmond after Gaine's mill. Lee would prove, throughout the war, to be able to check and defeat every Union commander that faced him, and he was the only Confederate general capable of stopping McClellan, suffering unsustainable casualties to do so."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>193\nSeven Pines was a stalemate if anything and McClellan as usual had absolutely no involvement in the battle and was miles away when it happened."}, {"id": 195, "content": "pretty sure it was Bruce Catton had a large part in popularizing the Grant cult"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>172\n>The Union lost at Chickamauga because they had too many Bavarians in their army\nAt last I truly see."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>195\nI blame Ken Burns and his shitty documentary. Nobody else ever did as much damage to McClellan's reputation and to the understanding of the civil war in general."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>191\n>1. Saved lives by ending the war quicker. War is hell and all that; destroying the Southern economy was the best way to win a decisive victory.\n>2. The alternative was letting them prevent the Union from reinforcing DC\n>3. When faced with an existential threat to the republic, the executive is implied to have infinite power to act decisively, even if his actions are later challenged by the courts and/or Congress.\n>4. Wartime censorship is relatively normal\n>5. I don't know to whom this refers, but it seems fairly minor\n>6. Never happened and has literally zero evidence to support it\n>7. And then Lincoln got Congress to sign off on it which he would have done in the first place if time was not a pressing issue. Also Taney was a blatant partisan and his legal opinions deserve no respect.\n>8. The president does not need consent of Congress to put down an insurrection.\n>9. See above\n>10. See (4)\n>11. Partially true, but it was absolutely not without consent of the citizens of those states\n>12. I've never even heard this one before, but am confident it's bullshit or massively overstated.\n>13. Again, war necessitates the suspension of certain rights. I don't know how you can argue he gutted the Ninth Amendment (unless you perhaps mean the right to own slaves), or the Tenth Amendment (again, unless you're referring to slavery, the abolition of which was entirely justified as a wartime measure designed to win the support of blacks and disrupt the Southern economy).\n>14. I thought they weren't US cities anymore? Funny how the government against which you are rebelling considers you hostile."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>170\nHe was pushing for Richmond.\nThere is no comparison because McClellan is leagues ahead of Grant.\n>crossed the Rappahanock and managed to stay across it\nYou mean like Joe Hooker?\n>casually\nHe lost some 30,000 men due to attrition alone for his casual stroll.\nthis was a contributing factor to him receiving the Washington garrison.\n>he pushed his weight around\nAnd was severely punished for it.\n>he didn’t adhere to rules set by his enemy\nLee entrenched and Grant hit him head on to catastrophic effect, he literally played directly into Lee’s hands.\nMcClellan didn’t step down. He was shamed, smeared, and formally removed.\nHad they offered McClellan command he would have mantled it.\n>downplaying Vicksburg\nA literal who tier battle which was poetically won because the Commander, Pemberton personally knew Grant and knew he would be let off easy if he gave Grant the victory on the Fourth of July, Grant never had to fight for Vicksburg.\n>it was pivotal\nIt was geographically very significant. However it reveals nothing about Grant’s ability as a general, in fact it makes him look bad because he bungled the siege early on and he only takes it due to the Confederates giving it up without a fight.\nAlso Grant basically allowed half of them to escape and the other half were immediately paroled and went on to fight in the next campaign no more than two months later. He didn’t even snag the garrisoned army in a siege.\n>defend Bermuda hundred\n???\nNo, the Second Valley campaign where Early took 10,000 men and probed the defenses of Washington.\n>Grant got them into a position where they were damned no matter what\nExcept they weren’t and he didn’t, they were never in a position where they could not fight.\nThe war was lost in 1862 when Lee did not capture the AOP at Manassas. After that it’s just waiting for the confederate stock to run out.\nGrant never made really brilliant maneuvers. He never attempted to amplify his strength or mitigate Lee’s."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>164\nGrant also said Stones River was a Union defeat during an appearance with Lincoln."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>187\n>>188\nThe Republicans were based but there’s no need to worship Grant.\nSoutherners and Democrats had some fantastic figures.\nIt is a real shame the American Nation is nothing but a free for all within every circle of their society."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>200\nugh, Rosecrans was another one of those \"I can't move or do anything unless I have this and that and about 60,000 additional troops\" types. he sat in camp for six months doing fuck-all only to then campaign and get his shit pushed in at Chickamauga so Grant had to rescue him"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>194\nYou do know Lee was often miles away from battles when they took place right?\nMcClellans staff was excellent, he embodied the idea of a Grand Strategist and a machine like army."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>196\nIt unironically be like that."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>202\n>VGH all these goys I denied resupply and reinforcement requests to are too slow TOO SLOW! Mr Lincoln, you know who should replace them “who?” Well I’m glad you asked, I’ve got a personal friend and I can attest to his fine character and quality as a leader…\nThis man literally built the Republican Party and shifted the Overton window so far in their favor it would take 3 assassinations and 55 years before the Democrats would make any meaningful headway in politics.\nBased, but he’s always ignored."}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>198\n>>unknown. The alternative was letting them prevent the Union from reinforcing DC\nFake news. The Lincoln Administration was hostile towards a state that had voted to remain loyal to the USA due to it opposing the president politically, arresting the people who were actually elected into their offices and replacing them with members of his own political party. The military also went to various town armories in Maryland and confiscated their weapons. Not the weapons of rebels, but the weapons of U. S. citizens. A direct violation of the 2nd Amendment. Maryland was put under a military dictatorship by the very government that it reaffirmed its loyalty towards. There is no excuse for this."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>172\n>Probably owning to them more Northern European\nI’m sorry, what?\nMillions of Scandinavians and Northern Germans settled in the Midwest/Western states and formed a large portion of the Union armies there."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>207\nThey still had less Corded Ware Aryan than The Irish of the Union."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>173\n>As I said, it does not need to be cut and dried identical to the military definition of a Fabian strategy\nwell if it doesn't meet the definition of Fabian strategy, then it isn't really a Fabian strategy at all, is it?"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>190\nyet OP exclusively quotes wiki articles.\ncurious."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>210\nPeople can look at the same data and anecdotes and end up with different conclusions."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">Not normally a catty or vengeful individual, Grant did have his moments where he could be utterly unforgiving of those who had crossed him and the principle target of his wrath seems to have been Henry Halleck. Some time after Appomattox, he obtained War Department documents which revealed that Halleck had tried to stab him in the back during the interlude between Ft. Donelson and Shiloh.\n\n>During the war Grant had been unaware of this and considered Halleck a friend. It was only later that he found how the latter had born false witness to McClellan, then commander-in-chief of the army, about how his command in late February 1862 was disorganized, demoralized, and undisciplined, and that Grant was AWOL. Worst of all included Halleck's remark that \"It has come to my attention that since the capture of Donelson and Henry that General Grant has resumed his former bad habits.\"\n\n>Halleck's remarks had been made at a rather bad time when he had been denied supreme command of the Western theater and was not in the most cheerful temperament, and after he did get that command in the spring, his disposition improved markedly. Grant however utterly savaged Halleck in his memoirs and could not muster a single kind word about him."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>157\n>Grant didn't skedaddle like McClellan did\nBecause he didn't recieve orders from DC to abandon all his gains and withdraw? Are you saying McClellan should have mutinied? Refused the evacuation order?"}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>199\n>He was pushing for Richmond\nProof?"}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Invincibility lies within the defense, the possibility of victory in the attack. - Sun Tzu\nLittle Mac was a parade general, and was unsuited to modern war. Nobody in the Civil War really was ready for modern combat, but the Union really began to understand it towards the end of the war. K/D doesn't really matter. What matters is forcing your foe into a bad position and destroying his ability to resist."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">Although Grant had never been a political man or an abolitionist, he increasingly came to believe the Republican program for winning the war was the only way. Slavery was finished as an institution and the South's ability to wage war had to be broken. The Democrat way of waging the war was unwinnable and would lead to the nation's wealth and manpower being exhausted in vain. That was certainly how Lincoln and Stanton saw it, anyway. They may have been right or wrong but the important part was that they did believe it.\n\n>As the 1864 election campaign went on, McClellan too came to realize the two parties had diametrically opposite ideas of how to win the war. \"Grant has clearly gone over to the other side,\" he wrote his friend Francis Barlow. \"Meade is neutral for the time being while Hancock, Warren, and Wright are waiting to see how everything goes.\""}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>212\nHalleck had been chosen as general-in-chief because he had written military texts, also translated French ones, and was considered a very wise strategic mind. Unfortunately, he had no actual experience with combat outside witnessing a naval bombardment of a Mexican port in 1847 and knew little of war outside textbooks. He was also vain and gossipy, and strictly a desk jockey with no interest or desire to lead troops in the field. After becoming general-in-chief he became increasingly useless. The one great asset Halleck had was that unlike most of the professional soldiers, he had a feeler for the political aspects of the war."}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>128\nsears was debunked as a literal liar and mcclellan hater"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>218\nStephen Sears is generally regarded as one of the best McClellan historians alive and even Rowland admits that he had some pretty serious character flaws that ultimately led to his demise.\n\n>>217\nI wouldn't say Halleck was completely useless. He reorganized the Western theater and actually was a pretty good administrator."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>208\nautosomal =/= y haplogroup\nIrish have the highest steppe y haplogroup but are lower than Scandis when it comes to autosomal steppe contribution to their DNA."}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>198\n>it's okay for the government to suspend the rights of the people... uhhhh because the government says so\nWhat a fucking bootlicker."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>198\n>>unknown. I thought they weren't US cities anymore?\nAccording to Lincoln they were. So he approved the destruction and mass murder of what he considered to be his own people. Pretty evil imo."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>220\nNope, autosomal Steppe DNA is higher in the Irish than it is in Scandinavians."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>210\n>exclusively\nwhere does wikipedia err in their presentation of battlefield data?"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>219\nSears is simply wrong about McClellan and ignores the facts, he speculates and lays things at the feet of McClellan which were out of his control.\nHalleck was in the business of sabotaging his own team if he didnt like them, Burnside's plan to outrun Lee to Richmond was stifled because Halleck deliberately delayed the pontoons Burnside had asked for, Fredericksburg has to be laid at the Feet of Henry Halleck.\nHe sabotaged McClellan when McClellan was in the middle of Hostile territory, McClellan notoriously was in a worse supply condition than Lee towards the end of his command with both sides looting shoes from the dead.\n\nIn a sane country with a unified Command structure like say regional China or Prussia Halleck would be thrown in prison and executed for treason within the first year of the conflict."}, {"id": 226, "content": "I'm a foreigner but I've always been interested in the American Civil War and Mclellan was very obviously a better general than Grant.\n\nAmericans in general seem to be similar to Russians in that they think that throwing massive human waves at an entrenched enemy = good generalship. A general who refuses to immediately rush towards the enemy and simply throw huge masses of men in frontal assaults is considered a bad general regardless of his tactical and strategic achievements.\n\nSo Grant is considered a good general because he was \"aggressive\" and sacrificed tens of thousands of men without much in the way of tactics while Mclellan is considered a bad general because he didn't immediately charge the enemy."}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>225\nBurnside was fucked during that campaign by his own generals who wanted the high command for themselves (especially Franklin and Hooker) and also had a beef with him for not being a Democrat."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>217\nhe was also a pretty grim \"hard war\" exponent who cracked down on secessionists in St. Louis in fall 1861. what happened was that women of the city had taken to wearing a red ribbon on their chests to signify their secessionist support. Halleck then had a batch of red ribbons made up and ordered all the prostitutes in town to wear them. that shut them up rather quickly. shades of how Ben Butler later trolled the women of New Orleans."}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>146\nFranklin had made a prophetic prediction at a dinner in late 1861 when he said \"Of everyone in this room, only Meade will still be in command when the war is over.\""}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>226\nYes, truly a butcher losing his men at a Russian Ratio"}, {"id": 231, "content": "the real truth is Grant had not planned at all for the bloody poundings of the Overland Campaign. he really wanted to just maneuver around Lee and avoid unnecessary confrontations but the ineptitude of the McClellan fan club AOTP staff resulted in otherwise. you will notice that Sherman did much the same maneuvering in Georgia with far fewer losses as his army didn't have the same crippling defects in its command structure and mentality."}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>226\nWhat were McClellan's strategic achievements exactly? Ensuring neither side suffered any serious loss?"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>230\nThe confederate casualties are inflated due to defeated confeds surrendering and being counted as casualties."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>232\nHe inflicted heavy casualties during his tenure while minimising his own, he shattered the confeds chances when they were at their peak."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>233\nRight, because the K/D Klub considers forcing an enemy to surrender as cheating or something"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>234\nYou're saying the Confederacy could've ended the war in 1862 and that chance was shattered?"}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>231\n>Sherman began his march into Georgia on May 4, the same day Grant began his advance into the Wilderness. The Georgia campaign was similar in nature to the Virginia one, although considerably less costly in casualties. Joe Johnson dug in repeatedly as Sherman tried to maneuver around his entrenchments. Only once did Sherman lose his patience and try a frontal assault at Kennesaw Mountain on June 27. The attack was repulsed nearly as successfully as the Union attacks at Cold Harbor and accomplished nothing.\n\n>But Jefferson Davis was aghast at the amount of territory Johnson was giving up, so he pulled him from command of the Army of Tennessee and replaced him with John Hood. Hood counterattacked repeatedly around Atlanta. Each of his attacks was repulsed, costing him 20,000 irreplaceable troops, and did nothing to break Sherman's chokehold on the city as he maneuvered to cut off its railroads. Union losses in these battles were less than half of what the Confederates sustained, the single biggest casualty being Army of the Tennessee commander James McPherson, killed by a sharpshooter's bullet on July 22. The ranking officer to replace him was John Logan, but Logan was a political general and Sherman preferred a professional soldier for the command so he appointed Oliver Howard to lead the AoTT instead."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">Howard was an outsider to the AoTT and Logan, like most of the political generals, was highly popular with his troops. If this army had been anything like the Army of the Potomac, a major uproar would have resulted. As it were, after some minor grousing, everyone quietly accepted the new commander, Logan went back to commanding a corps, and the campaign went on.\n\n>It did result in the departure of Joe Hooker, who felt he should get an army command and was also outraged at being passed over for Howard, who had been in his black blook ever since Chancellorsville. Sherman had never liked Hooker anyway and accepted his resignation with no complaint, and then trolled him a bit by assigning command of his former XX Corps to Henry Slocum, who hated Hooker even more than Hooker hated Howard."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>226\n“Human waves” Grant in a meme based on the meat grinder of the Overland Campaign. Read about his western campaigns where he outmaneuvered and entrapped two large Confederate forces and made them surrender while taking minimal casualties, and how he turned the Confederate siege of Chattanooga into a blowout victory (while taking high casualties, as an attacking force always did) Going up against Bobby Lee and the Confederate A team in the constricted eastern theater was a different story but he forced an end game and won."}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>239\nas mentioned before, the AOP staff were colossally inept and Spotsylvania and Cold Harbor were filled with multiple examples of stuff that went horribly wrong because generals didn't carry out orders properly or were too late in executing them"}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>240\nThat and many other factors led to the Overland bloodbath. The north was sick of the war and wanted a quick victory, elections were coming, three year regiments’ enlistments were expiring, and what were supposed to be mop up operations in other theaters turned into humiliating Union defeats. Even Sherman was slogging along in north Georgia with little to show for it. Not a Grant dickrider but basing his whole career on spring 1864 is the ultimate ACW brainlet take."}, {"id": 242, "content": "yes they did lose a tremendous amount of troops when three year regiments' enlistments were expiring. at the low point in late August-early September 1864 the combined Army of the Potomac and Army of the James could only muster about 60,000 men."}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>239\n>Read about his western campaigns where he outmaneuvered and entrapped two large Confederate forces and made them surrender while taking minimal casualties\nwhere?\nThe Three \"major\" riverine points he took were all taken due to the Confederates not wishing to fight, at Donelson and Henry the Confederates nearly mutinied because of the Forts being given up so easily.\n>human waves is a meme\nno its based on Cold Harbor where he sent literally 14 waves one after the other.\n>blowout victory\n>CSA escapes intact\n\n>taking high casualties as the attacking force always did\nExcept for Chancellorsville\nAnd Stones River\nAnd the battle of Winchester....\n\nActually, I dont think the attacker always takes more casualties....\n>he forced an end game\nits about whether you can trade 2 men for 1 and run out an army that has way less manpower, its about how you can utilize your manpower advantage in a way that isnt trading 2 men for 1 to achieve victory.\n>he won anyway bro\nA child could win, switch Lee and Grant or place McClellan against Grant, equalize everything and Grant loses hard everytime."}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>175\n>consistently cherry picks the wirst examples from people he's shitting on\n>consistently picks the less important shit for Lil Mac and ignores his utterly humiliating fuckups\n>excuses out the whazzo for anything Mac might have done wrong\n>argues with half the facts at best, clearly slanted\nYou're not arguing in good faith and clearly here to push an agenda. Typical of a MacClellanfag.\n\nTo reason with you is to discuss truth with a liar.\n\nBegone, Mac, we have generals who can actually win a fucking war without getting asshurt and running for president on a platform of capitulation to the rebels."}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>235\n>forcing\n\"capturing\" then immediately paroling 30,000 men who go on to beat your army a month later is not valid in a \"KDR\" in the same way Lee or McClellan stacking bodies is."}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>244\n>Begone, Mac, we have generals who can actually win a fucking war without getting asshurt and running for president on a platform of capitulation to the rebels.\nMcClellan actually ran on winning the war, but with slavery left untouched and everyone already knew that was impossible."}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>236\nThat is true, the CSA was at its strongest strategically in 1862, the Union had not fully mobilized, neither side had, and neither side had taken catastrophic casualties.\nHad Robert E. Lee gotten ahead and stayed ahead by bagging the AOP, like when he had the chance at Manassas, the war would have had a very different outcome.\nAfter that the Confederacy would never have as good of a chance to get ahead, and even if they had gotten ahead, that they would then maintain that lead becomes even less likely."}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>243\nWoah, careful boys, we have Brigadier General Fancypants McGee here, fresh off his Hearts of Iron playthrough, here to explain to us the intricacies of military theory and application.\n\n>equalize all things\nA real general doesn't fight on an even playing field you fucking fool. They maximize their advantages and minimize the enemy’s. Grinding down someone with less manpower through relentless assaults to achieve attrition WORKS, despite what armchair faggots like you might think. It's a bloody and hideous method of war but it's the smart thing to do when presented with such a situation. If you have someone running around and trying to pop you from unexpected angles, you don't run around with them. You seize them by the balls and keep hitting them until they're too bloodied to get away. Mac was a faggot who couldn't fight. Grant knew what it meant to fight and win. Simple as"}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>232\nMalvern Hill was a tremendous loss.\nMcClellan kept the Rebel Army, which was at its absolute height in terms of manpower and supply, in Virginia on the backfoot attacking trenches, no other General in the Union managed this.\nWhen McClellan was in Virginia, he was the shield of the North.\nEven Grant's 160,000 man army, facing off against Lee's 50,000 man army, could not prevent Lee from sending men out of Virginia.\nMcClellan did it with 45,000 against a total of 85,000."}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>246\nOnly after he secured the nomination, which is fair enough, but the slavery question was already answered by then and extending an olive branch to an openly belligerent faction of Aristocrats is bad optics in any case."}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>248\n>award a student straight A's because you like them\n>fail another student because you dislike them\n>\"clearly the result of nothing but the student's potential\"\n\n>a general doesnt fight on an even playing field\nI did not mean fighting by a code of Chivalry, I meant Grant's advantages were given to him by others, and other Generals did not have his advantages outperformed him, which is why I say he is one of the less qualified Generals.\n>they maximize their advantages\nWhich Grant never did.\nThrowing 14 waves of men at earthworks is not \"maximizing\" your manpower. Its a terrible use of a manpower advantage, it is throwing it away.\n>minimize your enemies\nWhich Grant also never did.\nMcClellan did both, he negated Lee's agility and aggression by hugging Richmond, forcing the confederates into a small region of Virginia for all hands on deck, they could not just punch the AOP and run North like at Chancellorsville, they could not dig in and sit back and wait like during the Overland.\nThey had to actively fight the army sieging their capitol.\nMcClellan amplified the Union artillery advantage by always picking terrain where his artillerists could make full use of their more numerous and higher quality cannon.\n>WORKS\nYou know what else works? Digging forward, losing far less men to both battle and attrition, and using your technological and material superiority not as a crutch but as a leverage.\n\nGrant used his manpower as a crutch.\nyeah it worked in the way flipping a searing hot burger with your bare hand \"works\".\n>you dont run around with them, you start touching their balls and keep hitting them\nweird fantasy, but Grant wasnt even able to prevent Lee from sending an entire Corps to scout DC for a little trolling.\n>couldnt fight\noutfought Grant tho.\n>Grant knew what it meant to win\nhe completely destroyed McClellan's veterans in the 2nd Corps, by the end of the war they had taken more casualties than what they mustered in."}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>250\nThe slavery question wasnt answered and slavery continued on after the war.\n>openly belligerent faction of aristocrats\nThe only people in America who produced anything remotely resembling a uniquely American culture?"}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>252\n>The slavery question wasnt answered\nYes it was\n>slavery continued on after the war\nNot for long\n>The only people in America who produced anything remotely resembling a uniquely American culture\nIncorrect. Reeks of Southern cope, attempting to minimize frontier culture, mountain man culture, New England WASP culture, homesteading/Californian culture, and Northern city culture\n\nI'll just save us a lot of time and accept your concession right here"}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>251\n>all this cope\n>all this seethe\n>not a single coherent argument in sight\nI accept your concession on the topic at hand in the name of the Army of The Potomac and the United States of America"}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>252\n>McClellan-shill openly admits to being a CSA sympathizer\ni think this might be the best argument for McClellan's incapability to wage war yet."}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>255\nMcClellanfag always was and is an open Confuddytrard, which is frankly the only reason that a person with a functioning frontal cortex can look at this dude and say \"yeah he's not a total fuckup\""}, {"id": 257, "content": "Lincoln wanted as many Union men to die as possible, McClellan wasn't having it.\n\nSimple as."}, {"id": 258, "content": ">>169\nha no, Grant had many of the same handicaps in being denied troops for political reasons. in particular when the AOP was running thin on manpower in late summer 1864 and he wasn't getting any substantial body of troops through conscription, which happened because the White House wanted to wait until after the presidential election to ramp that up."}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>258\nGrant also didn't really bitch about it, he just went ahead with what he had.\n\nI think one of Grant's biggest assets was that he never really complained or bitched about his circumstances like other generals. He just got on with it one way or another."}, {"id": 260, "content": "Most of the replacements Grant was getting consisted of totally useless bounty men and substitute soldiers and this included a lot of men who were physically or mentally unsound and also quite a few literal criminals. Lincoln had called for the conscription of 300,000 men but it was being rumored that this was going to wait for after the election. The lowest point was reached in late August when there were just about 45,000 Union troops in the Richmond area. Within a month however, this had risen to 64,000 men and 90,000 by Election Day. Of course when one considers that noncombat personnel were counted in these numbers, the actual amount of men shouldering a musket was quite a bit less.\n\nIt must also be remembered that battlefield casualties only accounted for 60% of the drain on the army's numbers since the campaign started in May as a large amount of men were lost to illness, extended furloughs, desertion, or being taken prisoner by the enemy."}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>253\n>it was\nif it was answered, then it wouldnt have been last on the list of things to accomplish post war.\n>not for long\nuhhhhh, it lasted for over 40 years post war.\n>incorrect\nnope\nCulture necessitates aristocracy, the only Aristocrats America had were Southerners, literal Norman descendants, Royalists, Cavaliers, and Long standing Gentry.\nNorthern Capitalists were just wealthy/intelligent plebs.\n>frontier culture\nWhich is Southern culture lol, it wasnt New Yorkers moving out West in the hundreds of Thousands in the post war years, it was Southerners.\nIt wasnt Yankees in New England pushing the frontier beyond Appalachia.\nArizona, Texas, Oklahoma, all Confederate territory.\nand technically, frontier life isnt a culture as much as it is a fascination or unique era. Its not a culture in the same way stylized estates run by learned warrior aristocrats is\n>mountain man culture\nnot a culture but rather a unique subculture.\nThere is no \"Frontier\" or \"Mountain man\" Nation, there is however a Southern Nation with continuity going back to Medieval England.\n>New England WASP culture\nWASP is a slur, but this is the first thing which has any weight here, however I wouldnt say \"WASP\" is a culture because WASP is not a Nation.\nLike for example, the majority of People in the Mid Atlantic have more in common with each other than either have with say Dixie or New England. Someone from Virginia will have more in common in ethnic heritage and outlook on life with someone from Rochester New York, than say either one have with someone from Georgia or Maine.\nBoth could be considered WASPs but they arent unified in the way a WASP from Maine is with one from Massachusetts.\n>homesteading\nThere is no homesteader nation, also the majority of Homesteaders were from the South.\n>Californian culture\nCalifornia does not produce culture, it sells \"culture\" in a kitsch and consumerist fashion, also its not run by Americans.\n>Northern City culture\nNorthern Urbanites are not a Nation"}, {"id": 262, "content": ">>253\nAlso, you have no grasp on what a culture is, you think a unique regional trait = culture.\nComeback when you're out of highschool.\n>>254\n>y-you mad\nlooking for a way out already?\nAt least try to put together an argument.\n>not a single coherent argument\nLet me highlight it for you.\n\n>McClellan did both, he negated Lee's agility and aggression by hugging Richmond, forcing the confederates into a small region of Virginia for all hands on deck, they could not just punch the AOP and run North like at Chancellorsville, they could not dig in and sit back and wait like during the Overland.\n>They had to actively fight the army sieging their capitol.\n>McClellan amplified the Union artillery advantage by always picking terrain where his artillerists could make full use of their more numerous and higher quality cannon.\n>>255\n>>256\n>be pro-Union\n>argue for one Union general over another\n>acknowledge the unique nature of the American South\n>this means you are a Confederate\nMore of an Empathizer btw w/e.\n\nDo guys just hate people who arent cardboard cutouts?\nPeak NPC behaviors."}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>259\n>never complained\n>constantly wrote treacherous and petty letters to Halleck about commanders he didnt like\nAlso Grant was given by Halleck anything he asked for, he complained quite a lot for someone who had every material need met."}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>141\nYeah I think it’s almost sheer irony they called him the “Young Napoleon” at that time he took over the AoP when by his age the actual Napoleon had not just won more battles but had already won 2 entire wars. And if anything it was sheer self confidence that won the day at Marengo, McClellan would have just folded in that position"}, {"id": 265, "content": ">>264\nMcClellan would never find himself in a situation as potentially calamitous as Marengo."}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>110\nThey're also used as a mass of maneuver when you're confident that the enemy has committed his own reserves. Which McClellan didn't know of course, but don't pretend that him committing reserves his to destroy a committed enemy would have been anyway unusual or inadvisable."}, {"id": 267, "content": ">>265\nOr a situation so advantageous as Austerlitz."}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>265\nOh, so now we're saying McClellan is greater than Napoleon, wonderful"}, {"id": 269, "content": ">It had been a month since Phil Sheridan was dispatched to the Shenandoah Valley and nothing much seemed to be happening. Sheridan was concerned that Early was well-entrenched and he didn't feel confident trying to attack his position. Furthermore, there were rumors circulating that Early was receiving substantial reinforcements. What he did get was Joseph Kershaw's division of about 4,000 troops but somehow this got magnified into a report that James Longstreet, who had just returned to duty from the injury he sustained in the Wilderness, was coming with his entire army corps. Sheridan was not in any danger, but did not feel he was strong enough to go on the offensive.\n\n>Grant decided to travel to the Valley to meet with him in person and outline his plan for destruction of the region's farmland so it might be denied to Lee's use. He did not send Sheridan a telegram for good reason--any telegrams would go through the War Department and often end up getting altered by Halleck or Stanton to reflect their own strategic ideas and Grant in the postbellum years ended up not having much kind to say about either of them. So he met Sheridan, urged him to get a move on, and explained his grim plans for the Valley. As the two generals talked, a sergeant from the 5th Vermont watched them and remarked to a buddy \"That's Grant. I hate seeing that old cuss around, 'cause it usually means a big fight is at hand.\"[8]"}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>267\nAusterlitz was lost due to Allied mistakes more than due to Napoleonic skill.\n>>268\nI am saying McClellan and Napoleon are different generals and comparing them is erroneous because their styles of warfare are completely different."}, {"id": 271, "content": ">>269\n>\"there's Grant, means we are going to charge another 3 mile long quarter mile deep entrenchment manned by 4 year vets, if we succeed, Grant is a genius, if we fail, it was our fault for being cowards\""}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>269\n>Sh*ridan\n>too chicken to actually fight the Confederates honorably on the field of battle\n>instead becomes a war criminal who burns and devastates innocent civilians' property and his troops proceed to rip the last corncob out of the hands of elderly women so they have no food left for the winter months\ngood job, guys"}, {"id": 273, "content": ">>270\n>Austerlitz was lost due to Allied mistakes more than due to Napoleonic skill."}, {"id": 274, "content": ">>273\n>Russians literally predict Napoleon's decisive maneuver\n>Austrians: Nah\n>it happens\n>Battle is totally lost\nfeel free to refute anything I said."}, {"id": 275, "content": ">>8\nMcClellan failed to recognize or utilize the Unions numerous advantages, which Grant and Sherman were able to do and achieve victory with, despite their tactical mediocrity"}, {"id": 276, "content": ">>262\n>culture is not regional traits and behaviors\nI knew you were fucking retarded but you didn't have to tell everyone else, man"}, {"id": 277, "content": ">>272\nIt's a war, faggot. Fight it or get lost"}, {"id": 278, "content": ">>275\n>failed to recognize or utilize\nHow? He invested Richmond which forced a more agile army to operate within in a very small theatre of conflict instead of being able to run between Virginia and the Northern Border states.\nHe always favored his artillerists because he knew the confederacy could not field artillery to match his, so if he amplified his own artillery he would have an advantage the confederates would just have to work around as they could not directly contend.\nHe also made extensive use of the Union naval hegemony, he mitigated confederate raids by supplying his forces by sea rather than by land.\nAnother advantage he made use of which Grant and Sherman did not.\nWhat particular advantages did Grant or Sherman use?\n>throwing away manpower\nusing manpower as a crutch is not using it to your advantage.\nlosing men at a rate of 1.5:1 or 2:1 is not using a manpower advantage, it is using it as a crutch.\nUsing a manpower advantage would be something like what McClellan did which is force the rebels into a war of attrition and doing so without losing a bunch of men."}, {"id": 279, "content": ">>274\n>Russian command and staff of the army\n>Great majority of troops were Russian\n>Austria set offensive strategy\nMost importantly, Little Mac would never have accepted the risk fighting a battle against a superior enemy where a third of his force would only arrive on the morning of the action, having force marched the night."}, {"id": 280, "content": ">>276\nYou are unrefined, uneducated, Amerimutt.\nYou have no idea what you are talking about.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West#Culture_and_Civilization\n\nCulture is not a set of regional traits, that would be a subculture if it can even be considered a subculture, there is nothing unique or distinct about anyone you listed in regards to Religion, Economic Mode, or general folkways.\nNorman Ancestry, Slavery, Aristocratic warrior culture are all unique to \"Dixie\" and so they form an actual culture.\n\nMaybe read a fucking book written by someone outside of America before you talk about \"culture\"."}, {"id": 281, "content": ">>280\n>>276\n>wtf those arent unique to Dixie\nI know youre going to say this, Unique to Dixie in the sense no other American group has them, not that Southerners are the only Norman ex slavers who fight in wars."}, {"id": 282, "content": "alright, so let me get this all straight, McClellan-fag:\n>bases his opinions off of wikipedia articles\n>doesn't understand what a Fabian strategy is\n>simps for the confederates\n>Thinks Napoleon is overrated compared to Little Mac\n>doesn't understand the definition of culture outside of what some random kraut outlined in his blatantly unacademic work\nis this guy the dumbest active /his/ poster?"}, {"id": 283, "content": "Do you niggers ever tire of talking about this retarded war?"}, {"id": 284, "content": ">>282\n>McClellanfag\nimagine pretending to be a board native\nyou werent even here for the Forrestposting.\n>bases opinions off wikipedia articles\nnope, but you can verify everything I've said via Wikipedia which is why you want to discredit wikipedia as somehow profoundly wrong\nEven though Wikipedia, where it has opinions, is thoroughly anti-McClellan.\n>Fabian strategy is exclusively when you go scorched earth and avoiding battle\nThe vast majority of Fabian tactics being applied were not scorched earth and avoiding battle, I said Fabian tactics to describe what McClellan was doing, which is not seeking to be a Napoleon\n>BUT HE CLAIMED TO WANT TO BE A NAPOLEON\nshut the fuck up, The way he operated his army was the farthest from Napoleon, he was an engineer first, an entrencher, methodical, and moved forward like an unstoppable juggernaut, he DID NOT do what Napoleon did and sweep across a region with grand movements.\nHe did what Gustavus Adolphus did and operated advanced artillery, naval supply lines, and sophisticated trench warfare.\n(You) also have yet to define Fabian tactics, you refuse to do so because you are acutely aware of how similar it will look to McClellan's Virginia campaign.\n>simps for Confederates\nnot hating my fellow Americans only means I am not a subhuman animal such as yourself, how about you aspire to the celestial heights of not despising your countrymen before raising your voice to me\n>thinks Napoleon is overrated\nyou wouldnt have to lie if you were confident in your argument.\n>random Kraut\n>culture is movies\n>its not \"ACADEMIC\"\nAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAAA"}, {"id": 285, "content": ">>283\nNo. The Civil War is the most interesting and aesthetic war of all time, possibly with the exception of China in the 20s to 40s."}, {"id": 286, "content": ">>284\n>(You) also have yet to define Fabian tactics\nFabian strategy is the practice of avoiding pitched battles with an enemy army and instead wearing them down via attrition by using skirmish tactics and attacks on supply lines to reduce the number and morale of the enemy. now tell me how the peninsular campaign meets these criteria."}, {"id": 287, "content": ">>272\nYou lost, Cletus."}, {"id": 288, "content": "Just a reminder that Lee is the most overrated loser in history and was worse than Grant both proportionally and in gross.\n>”The results of Lee's faulty decisions were catastrophic. His army suffered 209,000 casualties- 55,000 more than Grant and more than any other Civil War general. Although Lee's army inflicted 240,000 casualties on its opponents (ratio 1:1.15), 117,000 of those occurred in 1864 and 1865, when Lee was on the defensive and Grant engaged in deliberate war of adhesion (achieving attrition and exhaustion) against the army Lee had fatally depleted in 1862 and 1863. Astoundingly (in light of his reputation), Lee's percentage of killed and wounded suffered by his troops were worse than those of his fellow Confederate commanders.\" By comparison, \"For the entire war, Grant's soldiers incurred about 154,000 casualties (killed, wounded, missing, captured) while imposing about 191,000 casualties on their foes\" (ratio of 1:1.26)\n>”Had Lee not squandered the Confederacy's limited resources on offensives during the three preceding years, the Confederacy's 1864 opportunity for victory might have been realized. It was Lee's strategies and tactics that dissipated irreplaceable manpower- even in his victories. His army lost at Malvern Hill, Antietam, and Gettysburg. His army took unnecessarily large losses in those defeats, as well as throughout the entire Seven Days Battles.\"\n>”Throughout the Seven Days Battles, Lee's strategy and tactics were extremely aggressive. His strategy was totally offensive. Incredibly, Lee watched thousands of his best troops be slaughtered while charging usually fortified Union positions but did not seem to realize the foolhardiness of such tactics. Lee's Seven Days battle plans were overly complex; he frequently issued vague and discretionary orders to his generals, and then he failed to to supervise their execution through adequate on-the-field command and control.\""}, {"id": 289, "content": ">>288\nLongstreet thought he was too aggressive and...\n\n>Lee's Seven Days battle plans were overly complex; he frequently issued vague and discretionary orders to his generals, and then he failed to to supervise their execution through adequate on-the-field command and control\nNot really his fault. The ANV was still really inexperienced at that point and the officers and men couldn't properly carry out his complex battle plan."}, {"id": 290, "content": ">>289\n>>288\nThe biggest problem with Lee was that he was an engineer, not field a officer. He lacked the experience to really understand what infantry could and couldn't do, which is why he winds up doing stupid shit like Pickett's charge. When he had good subordinates like Longstreet and Jackson (and chose to listen to them) this wasn't so much of problem, but it's really not a position for an army commander to be in."}, {"id": 291, "content": ">>290\nthe entire ANV command performed really poorly and below their usual standards at Gettysburg"}, {"id": 292, "content": ">>286\nMcClellan did not pursue pitched battle but instead went for the strategic, economic, logistical, and political heart of the confederacy.\nWhen he had to fight, he was always dug in and his opposition took terrible losses.\nNow explain how this isn’t Fabian in nature."}, {"id": 293, "content": ">>287\nMy name is Dark buffalo and I drink and gamble on your dime lol."}, {"id": 294, "content": ">>292\nWe may as well call WW1 trench warfare Fabian at this rate"}, {"id": 295, "content": ">>292\nRight, he didn't pursue fixed battle, he just...went straight to the enemy's capital to force a battle. Quintessentially Fabian, it's confusing why no historian in has ever used that label for McClellan until your clearsighted contemporary analysis. They must lack your vision."}, {"id": 296, "content": ">>291\nI'd go so far as to that much (but not all of that) is Lee's responsibility. In Knudsen's chapter on the Gettysburg campaign (in his book about Longstreet), it becomes clear that Lee really failed to provide any clear strategic guidance to his corps commanders.\n\n>>292\nanon, pls stahp"}, {"id": 297, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Lil Mac bro"}, {"id": 298, "content": ">>288\nFirstly, Grant's inflicted are inflated by the fact he spent 2 years capturing forts commanded by autists who wouldnt allow their men to fight and handed over their commissions without a major battle.\n>no those guys were actually really good and Grant had to be brilliant to beat them\nPemberton and Buchner were not great, they were not even good, they were in fact so bad they were suspected of treason.\nSecondly, Lee's \"losses\" are inflated by his surrender at the end of the war, which was not the result of a battle, so it is absurd to consider it apart of his KDR.\nFYI, the men Grant captured at Vicksburg, would go on to beat the shit out of his army at Chickamauga a month later because he immediately paroled them.\nThirdly, Lee not only fought MORE battles, he fought larger battles, engaging in 100,000+ man battles in 1862.\nGrant would not participate in a campaign exceeding 100,000 men until late 1863, and would not participate in a battle of 100,000+ men until 1864.\nShiloh was the closest he came to a battle on par with the Eastern Front and the actual battle for Shiloh featured less than 100,000 men.\n\nGoing by actual battles\nGrant has a negative KDR\nLee has a positive KDR\nGrant never made any particular maneuvers tactically or strategically that revealed any sort of ability.\nLee made many, Chancellorsville preparing a diversion, then a sweeping flank attack to carry the day against a much larger force being the most notable.\nIf you want to argue for Grant LIST SOMETHING SPECIFIC\ndont just say he was good, list something in particular\nnot \"he captured 'x'\"\nshow a specific maneuver, a particular order which was decisive.\n\nLee's greatest mistake was Malvern, he admitted as much. He learned from it. Grant only admitted Cold Harbor as a mistake and would go on to repeat it during Richmond Petersburg Campaign.\n\nYou dislike Lee because he is popular with people you disagree with political.\nSubhuman mutt behavior."}, {"id": 299, "content": ">>290\n>stupid shit like Pickett's charge\nExcept two brigades successfully made Pickett's charge the day before.\n>he didnt understand Infantry can not make that charge\nthey literally successfully made the charge less than 24 hours prior lmao.\nThe guy who checked an army twice his size didnt know how to command infantry, sure.\n>>289\nHe was vague on purpose, to some degree he held Jackson back, Jackson was phenomenal on his own.\nJackson should have been cut loose to operate detached from Lee early on, his instincts would have made him a real killer during the opening moves of the war.\nLee knew to delegate command, and he knew how to get the best out of his generals.\nCriticize all you want, but they arent assassinating each other like the Union nor are they threatening to have two corps fight each other like Forrest and everyone Forrest didnt like.\nLee ran a professional army by all standards set by his contemporaries."}, {"id": 300, "content": "Jackson didn't perform so well in the Seven Days and the ANV was also saddled with a bunch of useless dead weight like Theophilus Holmes and John Magruder whom Lee got rid of afterwards."}, {"id": 301, "content": ">>299\n>Except two brigades successfully made Pickett's charge the day before.\nExcept they didn't. There's a huge difference between coming on of the edge of a major fight, smashing your fresh troops into a the edge of an exhausted heavily engaged enemy, and launching a frontal assault on a prepared position with magnificent artillery support. The fact that you compare the two demonstrates you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about."}, {"id": 302, "content": ">>294\nno, because Trench warfare in WWI sought out large scale charges.\nMcClellan did not pursue large scale battles for the sake of battle.\nThis is Fabian in nature.\nMcClellan targeted strategic points to hinder the enemy army indirectly, this is Fabian in nature.\nThe essence of Fabian tactics is indirect warfare, agree?\nMcClellan was masterful, when his enemy forced a confrontation his entrenchments made sure they paid a heavy price, when his enemy allowed him respite he dug forward and began pressuring the critical points of interest.\n>>295\n>to force a battle\nto force the enemy into a position of weakness.\n>Fabius initiated a war of attrition, fought through constant skirmishes, limiting the ability of the Carthaginians to forage for food and denying them significant victories.[6][7]\n>war of attrition\ncheck\n>constant skirmishes\nthe fighting was constant due to McClellan being so close to Richmond\narguable but halfway there, and Im being generous to you.\n>denying supply and victory\nyep, checks those.\n>why no historian\nmaybe you should read beyond 1970?\n>ever used that label for McClellan\nACW historians could not even tell you what Fabian tactics are, let alone their finer points and who the eponymous Fabian was.\n>they must lack\nThey do, I also havent met one who made the comparison between Gustavus Adolphus and McClellan even though Adolphus dug his way forward in Poland to counter the extremely aggressive Polish infantry and cavalry who threw themselves wildly at their enemy and were far more strategically agile, very similar to the way the csa fought.\n>>296\nyou are overlooking Longstreet's weird march where he made his men snake around instead of having everyone about face."}, {"id": 303, "content": ">>301\n>except they didnt\nThey literally did.\nThe 2nd Georgia(?) I think it was and another brigade who successfully crossed the field and reached the Union position.\n>prepare position\nnope, the Union had ZERO fortifications.\n>there was a wall\na farmers \"wall\" of rocks which, are still there, and you can even see photos from after the battle, the \"wall\" does not even reach your knees.\n>magnificent artillery support\nThey thought they had suppressed them, and they largely did save for Artillerists breaking rank, something out of character for the Union army.\nThe Union would not be able to use cannister unless they broke ranks and moved their guns forward, which some, not all, did and did they suffered heavy casualties for their trouble, but they were indeed decisive.\nIt is not something which could be predicted, valor is not predictable.\nFurthermore Lee sent three divisions which had not been in battle since Antietam.\nHis veterans post Charge asked to make the Charge, the survivors of the Charge asked to go again, Lee denied both requests.\nIt is very likely a situation similar to Stones River, and many historians will say this, wherein if they had sent one more division, it goes from decisive defeat to decisive victory due to overwhelming force.\n>compare the two\nWhat changed between the Georgians and Pickett's advance?\n>uhhh the Union move more men xdddd\nAnd Lee knew this because he was clairvoyant right?"}, {"id": 304, "content": "Longstreet marched his corps behind Seminary Ridge because of course he couldn't very well march down the Chambersburg Pike in front of the AOP's lines."}, {"id": 305, "content": ">>303\n>What changed between the Georgians and Pickett's advance?\nThis massive fucking battle at the lower edge of the map wasn't happening.\n\n>you are overlooking Longstreet's weird march where he made his men snake around instead of having everyone about face.\nThat's not how military columns work. You do that and all the shit you want behind your lines (like you mules, medical services, cassions etc) is suddenly in front of them."}, {"id": 306, "content": ">>302\n>maybe you should read beyond 1970?\nI would be beyond surprised if you could find even one, just one historian from any year who agrees"}, {"id": 307, "content": ">>305\n>This massive battle wasnt happening\nwhich means?\n>which means the heckin Union can send reinforcements\nAnd Lee is again supposed to know the distribution of the Union forces because????\nFor all Lee knows theyve fortified the Southern reach of their line with more men due to the intensity of the fighting the previous day.\n>that's not how military columns work\nactually, that is how they work, you about face and move the colors and command to the front.\nI have been in a military column and practiced this exact manuever.\n>mules and ambulances\n>accompanying the division into combat\n\nDo you know what a forward HQ is?"}, {"id": 308, "content": ">>302\n>ACW historians could not even tell you what Fabian tactics are\nI didn't realise I was speaking with a genius who stands above all, my liege I kneel"}, {"id": 309, "content": ">>306\nSean Chick."}, {"id": 310, "content": ">>309\nIn what work? What page?"}, {"id": 311, "content": ">>307\n>And Lee is again supposed to know the distribution of the Union forces because????\nBecause they're not pinned in place by a major engagement. How is this hard for you to understand.\n\n>I have been in a military column and practiced this exact manuever.\nAnd how many brigades were in this column?\n>mules and ambulances\n>accompanying the division into combat\nExcept they weren't marching to combat, they were marching to their staging areas, were they would organise themselves and then jump off into the attack."}, {"id": 312, "content": ">>308\n>Americans are utterly confounded by a European education\npottery\n>>310\n>goalpost shift\nYou are going to ask for ever more unrealistic demands because you keep ceding ground.\nMcClellan was a fantastic General, you have yet to list a specific instance where Grant exceeded McClellan in any way."}, {"id": 313, "content": "Gustavus Adolphus, renowned for his revolutionary defensive style of warfare"}, {"id": 314, "content": ">>312\nWhat fucking goalpost shift lol\nI asked for a historian. You gave a historian, then I asked what work of his and now you're spazzing out. I suppose it must be unrealistic to ask for one person on earth who agrees with you."}, {"id": 315, "content": ">>311\n>they're not pinned in place by a major engagement\nwhich means they are moved to exactly where Lee is planning to attack? How did Lee know they could read his mind?\n\nYou are saying Pickett's charge was a mistake.\nI am saying based on Lee knew at the time, he made the right decision but it was poorly executed in some ways, for example, he could have sent more veteran troops who, even after seeing how the charge turned out, still asked to go forth.\nHe could have not had Pettigrew and Trimble leading divisions other than their own (they were replacing wounded commanders).\nHe could have sent more men for such a decisive maneuver.\nThere are real criticisms to be had of Lee regarding Gettysburg, but yours arent among them.\n>how many brigades were in this column\nA total of 7,000 individuals.\n>they werent marching to combat\nyes they were they were marching to make a flanking attack.\n>marching to their staging areas\ntheir starting position is not the same as their field HQ.\nLook, they didnt have mules and or their entire ambulance with them at the time, simple as. They could have about faced, they chose not to.\n\n>it just doesnt work that way\nIt does, and when time is of the essence adaptation is worth far more than a by the books movement, any general will tell you this."}, {"id": 316, "content": ">>313\nYes, he was, the Polish Swedish wars saw Gustavus Adolphus adopt very sophisticated entrenching for his men, whenever they werent actively attacking or marching they were digging.\nThe Swedish forks were even elongated and sharped at the end to work as makeshift stakes.\n>>314\n>you gave me what I asked for\n>now I am asking for a book and a page number\nI gave you a historian who is friendly to McClellan.\nI dont know what page, if you want the Book its called The Battle of Petersburg.\n>the one person on earth who agrees with you\ninstead of attacking credibility, you could always list something specific that Grant did better than McClellan."}, {"id": 317, "content": ">>280\n>actually this is culture because Sperg-ler says so\nNah, i think ill stick to the non-schizo definitions"}, {"id": 318, "content": ">>317\nthere is no definition of Culture which considers Mountain Men a distinct Culture."}, {"id": 319, "content": ">>315\n>which means they are moved to exactly where Lee is planning to attack? How did Lee know they could read his mind?\nIt means they could be moved, say if the attack was preceded by a lengthy artillery bombarment and if the union troops had the advantage of interior lines.\n>A total of 7,000 individuals.\nI asked how many brigades. How many formed units? How much artillery? Or will you claim next that they didn't bring their batteries with them?\n>yes they were they were marching to make a flanking attack.\n>Look, they didnt have mules and or their entire ambulance with them at the time, simple as.\nSo, you're trying to tell me that you think they left all their equipment, field hospitals, reserve ammunition, rations, etc a 4 mile march from where they started their attack?"}, {"id": 320, "content": ">>319\nAn hour is not exactly \"lengthy\" to move thousands of men and supply over more than a mile of land.\nYou do know the majority of Union troops were in position before the attack right?\nalso none of this indicates anything to Lee, how would Lee able to tell Meade predicted an attack would come to the Center?\nHe couldnt, he had no way of knowing Meade had made his weakest point his strongest.\nThat is just outright bad luck influencing a high risk high reward decision, not bad generalship.\n>how many brigades\nthree and a regiment.\nkeep living in denial, an about face was possible.\n>what about artillery\nartillery is going to be slow no matter what, many times in the Civil War infantry left their artillery to utilize their speed on foot.\nAgain, it was possible, it wasnt done.\n>left all their equipment\nYes they tend to not go into battle carrying their cooking utensils, tents, and supply wagons.\n>field hospital\nyou dont go into battle with a field hospital.\nSome field hospitals were as far back as 5 or 6 miles from the points of contact.\n>reserve ammunition\n>turn horse and cart around off the road\n>have infantry walk beside or past them\nagain, things that have been done by Jackson and Forrest when the situation demanded it.\nIt was not some impossible task.\nalso we know what they had with them, they were not carrying their entire supply train with them\n>they either had everything or nothing\ncan you just speak to me normally?\nThey were not going on a detached expedition, they were to make a quick flanking attack and find their way forward to exploit a weakness, Longstreet failed to do this to the best of his ability or his ability was not up to the task that particular foray, in either case he must bare the blame for a missed opportunity.\n\nThis is also the second time he did this, if he had been faster at Manassas the Army of the Potomac could have been captured, like the whole thing, they had only two major crossings, both could have been taken if they were fast."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There is no way out of this. If you believe in God, you believe suffering is a good thing. I also might add that the idea that suffering exists to punish evil is flawed, because the first evil act ever can't have been a punishment for evil. Also some humans rape infants to death (watch the documentary The Eyes of the Devil). Saying this suffering is good is only possible if that baby did something evil in its past life. Oh, reincarnation and the soul are real, too, just watch Surviving Death on Netflix. But it doesn't imply the existence of a God. It does make it possible for a race of reptilian aliens to trap our souls here reincarnating perpetually as slaves but that's a story for another time. You would think God wouldn't let that happen, wouldn't you? I think all arguments for the existence of God fall apart in the face of the existence of suffering."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically suffering is good below a certain treshold. Failing to ward the innocent of suffering beyond that treshold is humanity's failing."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat would a world that doesn't allow for suffering look like? Do you think paradise is that space ship in WALL-E where everyone wants for nothing and floats around in chairs as morbidly obese blob creatures? If you existed in that world you'd still come up with something to point at. Suffering is parameterized. It is limited in magnitude and duration. If you want to imagine a world where a 'God' intends you to suffer, go read I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream again."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI don't imagine a world where a God intends his creatures to suffer as much as possible -- I imagine a world where suffering is an adaptation which serves the function of DNA replication. I don't believe in God, though, because if he existed we wouldn't need to suffer to survive as a species. What's the point of all the problem solving we've been doing since our inception as a species if we're *supposed* to suffer? All we do is try to not suffer or be happier. Are we going against God's will? If he doesn't help us out of suffering, maybe he's rooting for us to do it ourselves. I would argue that first of all this is not possible all the time and second of all this proves God to be utterly useless. What has he done? No one can point to a single act that he's done for sure. The whole world of Christianity is probably the work of aliens deceiving us into working for them. I'll admit that there are apparent miracles in the Catholic Church like when the bread turns into human flesh in front of everyone (happened most recently in 2020 I think), but again since we already know aliens exist we can't assume this is the work of God.\n\nMy ultimate argument is that if God (or any entity) were willing and able to end all suffering, they would end all suffering. Therefore God either doesn't exist or is not both willing and able to end all suffering (he could be just one). God therefore can't be both omnipotent and omnibenevolent. But omnipotence is already impossible because God can't prove that 1+1=banana. There are things he can't do. Frankly, he probably doesn't exist at all, but I do believe the UFO and western spiritual communities who insist that there exists something called \"source energy\". I don't know anything about it though."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever bro. It's not our place to consider such things.\nIf you believe in God, commands you not to consider it (not really at all, heavily paraphrasing).\nIf you do not believe in God, why do you care about this abstract discussion on suffering? Go jerk off or something.\nYou do not know to what end your suffering entails, if any. You cannot know, as some things cannot be known; they are beyond your reach even when shown. It lies beyond the boundary that words can express, and man can only grasp those thoughts that language can express."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIf suffering is always good, doesn't that apply to an arbitrary degree of suffering? Would God put someone through a trillion years of burning alive because all suffering will be worth it in the end? But if suffering in the highest extreme is not justified, why is suffering in any amount justified? Am I crazy for thinking suffering is bad? Judging by the fact that you don't want to be stabbed right now, I'd say everyone agrees with me that suffering is bad. The pain-pleasure axis is our utility function. I just had a conversation with GPT-4 about what our utility function looks like to someone who can't understand pleasure and pain, because I wanted to know what externally causes us to feel good/not bad, and it said all human behavior can be reduced to the pursuit of homeostasis. VERY satisfying to get an answer... of course scientists would say no no it's reproduction, and maybe they're right, but you don't need to reproduce if you're immortal. Anyway:\n>why do you care about this abstract discussion on suffering?\nI like expanding my knowledge base, idk."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWell I think you misunderstand. The Christian view is that God needs no justification and is justice incarnate. He defines right and wrong. If you disagree with that, you are free to reject God, of course. But our view is that whatever God does is good because God is good. This is why sanctioning the wholesale slaughter of entire cities or sacrificing people or so on is permitted to occur.\nI suppose some Christians really do believe that God will just torture people forever. I truly hope that is not the case. We should be careful not to assume God wouldn't want to do such a thing merely because we wouldn't want, but I still find it strange. It seemingly serves no end or objective. If God loves us then God presumably values our wishes to some extent and would be willing to permit us to cease to exist, if He found us only fit to eternally suffer.\nIn my case however, I can't see how such a great amount of suffering could benefit the person. if such a thing were to occur, I would wonder about it and presume that I simply did not know the benefit. I might also presume that the suffering serves no benefit to the person but is occurring for another reason. For example, God allowed Lazarus to die and experience the pain of death so that Christ could demonstrate His ability to resurrect him. In this extreme case, however, I would likely not deduce any purpose to this suffering.\n>and it said all human behavior can be reduced to the pursuit of homeostasis.\nI have to tell you man, I jerk off at least twice a day but usually 4-5 times and I spend hours and hours thinking about sex and women and stuff. A huge chunk of my existence is dedicated to something that is entirely secondary to my own homeostasis. I do things like starve myself and work out in order to pursue women, in effect compromising my homeostatic state in order to acquire something unrelated to it. Furthermore, the very act of having children itself reduces the resources available to you."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead about Deism chud. 13 y.o. atheists be like:"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Gnostic Christianity teaches there is an end to suffering, as well as regular Christianity. But yes, suffering is good, this is taught by all religions to some extent."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThat is when you rest in God. Then you will feel gladness and joy. It takes a lot of hard work on yourself to achieve this state of renewal of your mind."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuffering is good, but your idea of suffering is completely off. Read the Bible."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmeaningful suffering undertaken voluntarily is good and strengthens character.\ninvoluntary suffering is just called tyrannical torture.\nBiblical heroes all have something in common in that they accepted and undertook their suffering voluntarily amd came into terms between the suffering they faced and the existence of god. God isnt here to hold your hands. He is simply there to show you that there is always a better way forward, even in the bleakest of hells. You may not survive this hell but you can set the motion for good to occur."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">If you believe in God, you believe suffering is a good thing.\n\nNot Christianity, they believe that some guy did all the suffering for them and they don't need to anymore. Also not Judaism or Islam, they believe that suffering should just be reserved for infidels/polytheists."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>they believe that some guy did all the suffering for them and they dont need to anymore\nwhy would anyone post something so blatantly false lmfao. The single metaphysical dogma of all christian faiths is to emulate jesus as much as possible, and the pinnacle of emulation of jesus is to sacrifice your life for the greater good."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>The single metaphysical dogma of all christian faiths is to emulate jesus as much as possible, and the pinnacle of emulation of jesus is to sacrifice your life for the greater good.\n\nYou wanna be like god? Isn't that what some snake told Eve to do?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>you wanna be like god?\nin action and wisdom yes not in power."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nHow would divine action and wisdom not give you divine power?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nyou dont need divine powers to help others and sacrifice yourself. You do know that people emulating jesus means that they would ask themselves \"what would jesus do?\" instead of wishing for healing powers right?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod gives me good enemies to strengthen myself with. I'd be nothing without testing myself."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nBut Jesus would use healing powers, like he did in your book"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>>20\nEvery Christian is blessed with gifts of the Spirit. It may not be healing, but it is something. Only the rarest of us tasked with the largest missions will have many gifts, but you do have something."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">I have Spirit powers\nYeah, the power to tell lies lmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why they love chinks"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Dunno, but they made a really cool documentary on Maoist-era China in 1972\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_PiGqc1UpY [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">once great empire that founded civilization\n>invaded by northern barbarians\n>northern barbarians then subjugated them and LARPed as their empire\n>love noodles\n>million dialects yet still claim to speak the same language\n>cute"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Do they?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\nhttps://www.youtu.be/my3cKZkqMFE [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>founded civilization\nok chong"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nYou forgot the part where both are multiracial mutts descended from surrounding peasants south of them\nAustroneHans larping as sinotibetan is hilarious"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nItalian girls are cute."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Daily reminder to non-believers that if not for Ibn al-Haytham and other Islamic scholars none of the scientific progress that exists today would exist. Every single marvel of science and technology that you see today is only thanks to Islam, and all of it was inspired by the Holy Quran, a perfect and irrefutable book."}, {"id": 2, "content": "*stolen from pajeets and persians"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope, all they did was translate things the Greeks did. Islamic scholars didn't contribute anything."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nWhy do you always say this, but when pressured on it, are never able to substantiate it?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numeral_system\n\nHere's an example of something Muslims claimed for decades till it recently had to be retconned to give credit to Indians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nFirst of all, it was catholics that attributed the numeral system to arabs, in the islamic golden age, arab-language literature referred to them as \"indic numerals\", second of all, they're not an original indian creation anyway, theyre garbled aramaic letters, lest you forget almost all writing systems, including the indian one, descend from ancient semitic ones from the middle east, but you dont hear them being called \"aramaic letters\", because practical originality is more crucial than the theoretical kind, so the catholics arent even really to blame for the title \"arabic numerals\", as the numeral system the arabs used is incomparable to the indian one; btw the usage of shorthand letters is not an indian invention either: greeks did this, arameans did this, babylonians did this, egyptians did this and the chinese did this too (basically every civilization that had access to an alphabetical writing system)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nYou see? People like this are always btfo'd, but they keep saying it like its true"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHe only can actually btfo him if he provides a source from a non-Muslim for every claim that he made."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Source???"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYes, he needs to provide sources for the many claims he made or I have no reason to believe him."}, {"id": 11, "content": "I have always recognized the important contributions made by ARAB (or arabized iraqis, sure) muslims have made to science and humanities. It's just that some of those contributions are misatribued to iberians muwallads, pajeets and indians."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>SOURCE??? NOW!!!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPosts like this always sound like fat ethnocentric HR women. I hear them in Karen's voice at least. This from someone who genuinely admires Iranian and Iraqi history."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>hehe it came to me in a dream just like in those based memes"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYea"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Protestantism is not catholicism minus pope\nProtestantism is a set of affirmative propositions, namely the five solae, and an historic lineage stemming from the reformation. Sedes are not protestants. Palmarians are not protestants.\n\nThe etymology comes from an event called the protestation at Speyer, and what the evangelical princes were protesting was a proscription of Luther and the evangelical faith more broadly. They didn't protest \"the church\". Remember that the \"reformation\" sought \"reform\" of that same church."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLutheranism is catholicism without pope."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck off, Dirk."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou are wrong"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhy are you such a prick, Dirk??"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHow so"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Are anglcians and methodists also not protestants since they reject justification by faith alone?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey don't"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nAlways spouting heretical bullshit nonstop, 24/7."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSuch as?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nSo you admit that protestantism was invented in 1529"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nLiterally everything you say. 11 out of 10 words you say are heretical."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nSure\nProtestantism isn't a new religion, it's a subset of the Christian religion and one church much like a local church or a diocese has a founding"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nHence the term \"proto protestantism\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This has never been refuted, yet it is accepted by almost everyone today that colonialism was a bad thing for the local people. When did this view became the norm in the western world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "This shit is the reason we have to live with niggers now.\nThey were happier w/o modern technology and medicine and we were happier w/o niggers, if colonialism never happened Africa probably wouldn't even have 50 million people"}, {"id": 3, "content": "As your cartoon suggests, criticism of imperialism actually originated among conservatives, who tended to dislike the disruptive effects of all foreign novelties and influences. While there were of course liberal critics of slavery in particular, contemporary liberals and progressive types tended to be very positive on the idea of imperialism generally, as they saw it as an obligatory opportunity to spread the Christian faith and uplift the proverbial benighted native. This was basically the state of affairs between the 16th century and the end of the 19th, at which point movements to reform and make imperialism kinder began in earnest. There had been some murmurings in this direction as of the 18th century, a typical example being disquiet over how the British East India Company ran its dominions there, but for the most part serious change in how most of the colonial territories had to wait until the closing decades, if not the closing years of the 19th century.\n\nIt was really after the Russian Revolution that a true criticism of Western imperialism in principle rather than practice became the order of the day, and this accelerated after the Soviet and American victory in World War II. Both powers were keen to gain influence at the expense of the exhausted Europeans, and while the Americans did for a time assist them in trying to keep their holdings (especially when it seemed as if their flags would be torn down and a red flag raised in their place), quite quickly the American attitude changed and they began to seek nationalist allies in Africa and Asia who would rally to their side. This had mixed success, and in any case by the 1970s, European imperialism was mostly history. There were a few loose ends here and there in Southern Africa and East Asia to be tidied up, but for the most part it was all over."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity is the root of all cuckold behavior in whites"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>enslave niggers and force then to live in your country\n>bitch and complain about having niggers in your country\nwhy are amerisharts like this"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMor elike\n>Enslave niggers\n>Free them\n>Help them instead of watching them die off\n>Whine about niggers killing your ass for the next decades\n\nAmericucks get what they deserve"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nNo one in my family was responsible for bringing them here"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt has been disproven by reality. Africans weren't much more prepared for running a civilized society in the 1960s than they had been in the 1860s, almost as if the Europeans did jack shit other than running giant plantations, treating the natives as nothing more than cheap labour.\nAnd yes, it wasn't impossible to prepare them for that task, as e.g. western educated Seretse Khama proved, Europeans just didn't want to put in the effort since there was nothing in it for them."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When did this view became the norm in the western world?\nWhen (((subversive))) elements in academia began pushing the narrative that everyone in Africa and the Americas lived in peace and harmony before the evil Europeans came and ruined everything. Obviously a lot of atrocities were committed in the name of colonialism and the host populations were definitely fucked over by the colonial powers in that they had their resources extracted without compensation, but it’s not like African or Indian or Native American leaders were benevolent and treated their own people better than the English. In the long term, colonialism was beneficial in the way that the Roman colonization of France and Britain was beneficial for Europe."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This has never been refuted.\n\nYes it was. Everyone with a brain realizes that imperialism was for profit, either in the economic sense or strategic sense, which ultimately revolves in the economic sense anyway, as all struggles for power do. Imperialism was the last stage of capitalism as Lenin put it. No european power or the united states would go to colonize some place just to uplift the -very much despised and looked down- locals, they don't now, much less in those days when racism was unhinged and rampant, as illustrated in the cartoon.\n\nBut the game is on you know, it never ends, and the age of the \"white man's burden\" bullshit will inevitably be just another episode in history, like the hittites, the egyptians and so on. They all thought they were the superior people too. The axis of history keeps moving on, first it was the fertile crescent, then the mediterranean, then the atlantic and now it's very much shifted to the pacific, and maybe the equivalent of that cartoon in 50 years will be \"the yellow man's burden\", with Chang and Kim uplifting whiteys from their decadent shitholeness."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou are wrong. Especially from second half of the 19th century onward colonialism became a big campaign of civilizing barbarian people. Otherwise Europeans wouldn't enforce slavery ban on Ottoman Empire, the entire Africa and wouldn't have spend tremendous amount of money on schools to educate local people all around the world. What happened in the 16th century and 19th century are not comparable things. As those things with humanitarian goals in mind were happening in Africa and Asia, most working class people in Europe and Northern America including children were perishing under horrible working conditions in the factories. Any person with a little bit of honesty would admit that colonialism did a great deal of good to local people in those barbarous countries and the only people who were harmed by it were the previous local elite which oppressed their people way more than Europeans could ever do."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe conquest of africa was ideologically driven and was a net loss in all cases except maybe for the portuguese colonies that literally go back into the 1700s. The rest of the continent was taken over starting in the 1860s for geopolitical and ideological not economical reasons, and never paid back the expenses incurred. Everything Lenin wrote was bullcrap and \"imperialism\" is at least bronze age old."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>invade foreign land\n>Conquer kill and rape\n>Loot their natural resources\n>Establish them as a slave caste in their own lands\n>Erase their local culture\n>Build a couple of churches and schools for your own colonists\n>Leave them behind when you leave alongside your language since you exterminated their native culture\n>\"Uh why these people mad truly it is our burden to civilize\"\nWhite \"\"\"\"\"\"people\"\"\"\"\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nPlease stop pretending to understand things you know absolutely nothing about. 19th century Britons were completely obsessed with saving the browns and consistently did so to their own economic detriment all the time."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Conquer kill and rape\n>Establish them as a slave caste in their own lands\n>Erase their local culture\n>Leave them behind when you leave alongside your language since you exterminated their native culture\n>\"Uh why these people mad truly it is our burden to civilize\"\nThese are all wrong. And you would surprised to learn that those people are not mad about it, but it usually White Westerns or Black Americans who are butthurt about it since they don't know what they are talking about. Slaves by far were the biggest trade income for African states until European abolished it in Africa. If that's what you mean by erasing their local culture, good."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nNope. Everything, including abolishing slavery was done for profit. There's the fringe elements like missionaries and philantropists but even them, in those days, were heavily charged with proselitism and ideological bullshit. There was no interest in doing non-utilitarian things like educating the locals. When the colonized countries received independence there were very little educated elites and the vast majority of the population was pauper and illiterate.\n\nYour last point is quite hilarious. The \"we saved you from your corrupt oppressive elites\" meme propaganda. Don't shout it too loud, boy, China is listening and they really really love to retroactively apply to others that kind of funny bullshit, in this case, to redeem the oppressed whiteys from their corrupt, abusive elites. Kek."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\n>Enslave them\n>Only free them because it's no longer viable to support the institution of slavery, not because you genuinely find it morally reprehensible\n>Proceed to kneecap them at every turn so you can have a dysfunctional underclass of people\n>Their collective education and wealth after emancipation is close to absolute zero so it doesn't really matter, they don't really even have a choice in weather they want to continue serving you or not.\n>Spin the next couple of decades preventing them from being able to integrate or build functional communities\n>Continue to make sure their communities are dysfunctional after they're given civil rights\n>Act surprised when they develop a culture were crime is seen a valid choice over abject poverty in a country were wealth is the ultimate goal of basically everyone\n>\"wtf bro we were just trying to help why couldn't you guys just be cucked subordinates?\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nSad how all the good posts in this board get 0 replies but all the no-effort retarded memespeak get plenty of interaction."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nshieet whitey replaced my mudhuts with infrastructure, schools and hospitals and erased my mouth-clicking language and barbaric culcha! Das le racist"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nThere's always reddit if what you want is upboats. Of course partial posts are more likely to attract refuters."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nIt's incredible how much popular history is just the exact opposite of what actually happened. Europeans will take over from some empire of slave raiders, free all the slaves, cure their diseases, impose the first general peace they've known in centuries, and see the population double under their rule, and then fifty years later the popular narrative is that Europeans just showed up and enslaved and raped everyone until they got bored and left."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>>17\nTheres no profit in abolishing slavery, retard.\nChina gets to larp as a superpower because they force their citizens to work in sweatshops for 12 hours straight to make t-shirt for developed countries"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's called \"human rights advocacy\" now and it's all the same; mass murder and robbery\n\nit's our white man's bu... i mean, think of the human rights violations, we need to save these kuaiti babies"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nGeopolitical reasons are a struggle for power and in the capitalist system that ultimately revolves around silver coins.\n\nThe last third of the XIX was marked by the second industrial revolution and that meant a drive for resources and eventually for markets. It's inherent to the productive system. Some were deficitarian from the beggining (and some were profitable as fuck, like belgian congo) but the expectation was that one day they wouldn't be, or simply they were strategic locations for the imperial power struggles and the expenses were well worth it. In no circumstance was ever the interest of the local people taken into consideration. Obviously.\n\nAgain, take a look at China in Africa. Are they retarded? Do they have utmost love and generosity for africans? Do they get a net profit? Not really. For now. But they can afford the expenses. It's what you lose/gain AND what others lose/gain."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNo one is claiming it was just humanitarian without any motive for profit. It's just simply not true that colonialism was a net loss for colonized people and they had better lives before it. Even in the worst case of it in Belgian Congo the infamous punishment by cutting hands occured only because they didn't give a fuck about civilizing them and kept \"eye for an eye\" and \"cutting hands of a thief\" rule that was enforced by the previous rulers of that area."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>take over country\n>create monoculture economy to maximize profit for the homeland\n>make a token effort to educate the locals and instead bring in your own experts\n>make a token effort to placate the locals and maintain stability mainly so you can extract resources in peace\n>yakety sax away along with your educated experts\n>economy that previously relied on the empire to maintain stability suddenly loses its biggest trading partner and protector against internal turmoil is now used as the battleground for Cold War stupidity\nImperialism was a mixed bag and the colonized nations did make some major errors during decolonization because their decisions were heavily influenced by spite; but it created economies with such massive structural flaws that they were doomed to fail."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>China\nLmfao, as far as I know the chink pulled themselves out of that shit. The notion that the whites (read:anglos) piggybacked chinks is ridiculous bong delusion. It's a laughable attempt to paint themselves as if they were as influential as the US today."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\nThat entire image is stormfront snowmonkey bullshit lol\n\nNo wonder my entire family calls white people \"bullshitters\" all they do is lie lie lie through their damn teeth. Not a feeling of guilt or remorse either."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nIt depends on the specific colony but in most cases yes, it was a net loss for colonized people. What exactly did they get? Infrastructures were for optimizing profit, often in the form of ports and railways facilitating the extraction of natural resources in order to integrate the colony in the imperial network as a mere dependant appendix. Modern medicine wasn't much of a thing until the 1930s when penicilin and antibiotics were discovered so spare me about the big impact of le healthcare system for africans meme. The school and education system, were available, was an extension of a cultural imperial system of asserting and legitimazing dominance over the natives, imposing a set of values, ideologies and economic system completely alien to the locals as means of control and subjugation. Additionally in many cases the local elites were not completely removed from positions of power over the locals because they could be of use for controlling the natives and legitimazing the occupation.\n\nThe capitalist system damaged the traditional societies much more than it helped them and the ideological and cultural aspects of political and cultural colonialism caused immense damage to the identitarian and cultural roots of the natives. A model of conquest-colonization as that of the roman empire is completely different to what the westerners, europeans or americans, implemented back then. What was the economical productive tissue and infrastructure of Burkina Fasso at the time of its independence? What was the cultural, economic and human legacy of the english colonization for the natives in Rhodesia? It's not the legacy of Rome, it's the legacy of massive and systemic racist exploitation.\n\nGame on."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRefuted by Moby-Dick"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\nWelfare rats get enough money to stay alive so drug deal n shiet because they are evil bastards"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nNotorious stormfront publication; The Journal of African History."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\nWtf is wrong with white people? Why do they think being a cuck is normal behavior? Of course the browns are gonna tell you GTFO once they vastly outnumber you and and now shoot you up. Fucking cuck retards your like little chlidren at how gullible and naive you are."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This has never been refuted\nfalse"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>7\nThat's not likely."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>5\n>>17\nbased"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>21\nShould have just let the browns enslave and eat each-other in peace."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>2\n>if colonialism never happened Africa probably wouldn't even have 50 million people\nIt's crazy to think that just 100 years ago, Europe had three times the population of Africa.\nFeminism, \"the pill\", abortionism, sexual liberation and all these social changes have been really successful State-sanctioned anti-natalist policies."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nI literally don't understand how your comment is supposed to be a relevant reply."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>8\n>Africans weren't much more prepared for running a civilized society in the 1960s than they had been in the 1860s\nAfricans weren't prepared for running a civilized society."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>16\n>Everything, including abolishing slavery was done for profit\nNot entirely. In Brazil, for example, slavery could have gone on for about 20 more years if only economics were considered.\nOf course interest in wealth is an important part driver of historical events, but it's not everything."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nIt is tho. Hes totally right. Every single problem white countries face are because of weakness.\n\nEuropeans had the manpower and technology to wipe out niggers and not only did they didn't do that but they spread them around the world and gave them special privileges."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it is accepted by almost everyone today that colonialism was a bad thing\n\nit wasn't a bad thing and i am part of everyone"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>Genocide\nJesus Christ is it so hard not to be a extremist? Can't we just leave niggers in Africa without killing them all or bringing them into our countries?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nFatigue will make a man extreme."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How was a sculptor 30,000 years ago able to represent the effects of obesity on the female body with such an incredible level of detail and accuracy? This is not simply what a pregnant woman looks like, this is the anatomy of a woman you would find riding a mobility scooter at Wal-Mart today. Does the Venus of Willendorf prove that there was a big huge fat bitch waddling around Europe in the Paleolithic era?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "i've made this thread before don't expect any real answers just corny jokes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh test men (ie prehistoric man) love thick bitches. Anyone who is strong can confirm this."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nsee what i mean, this has nothing to do with your question"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's entirely probable that a woman living as a priestess or the tribal equivalent could have had enough food to get herself that fat - especially if she was eating the offerings. The artist had probably seen a woman who was that fat and was basing his work on that experience - assuming that she wasn't actually posing for him of course."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt's a hoax"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPrehistoric men were taller than their post agricole revolution counterpart, they had enough calories to go around and obviously they had some fat women."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Cause there were fatasses back then too"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Paleolithic are interesting."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFetish porn on /his/\nThe West has fallen"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nFallen? Classical era known for sexual sculpture art."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. They had obesity apparently. I'm fairly sure any culture with an excess had huge fat bitches. Mesopotamian life could be excessive, they had more resources than necessary for survival. I'm sure there are others.\n\nThe sculpture, if a true ancient relic, is interesting for it's detail. Might tell you something about the sculptor. I always kinda thought European painters and sculptors regressed a bit from their ancient predesessors. Assyrian statue and relief carvers added some impressive and intuitive details to their work."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAlso I think obesity wasn't always just a rich person problem in antiquity, as historians like to say. Fitness has been valued since ancient times, and we've had losers who ate themselves into irrelevance for all of huma history too. Nobody is going to be impressed with some fat ass hunter gatherer whose wheezes scare away the deer."}, {"id": 14, "content": "the exaggerated features were probably due to the perspective of the sculptor looking down at her own body"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHot"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Realistically, what would’ve happened if they had taken over?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They already did"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo they didn’t"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaoism without maos personality cult would have led to China imploding"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nFully automated luxury communism"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Jiang Qing thought, so basically the Maoist version of Ayn Rand's philosophy. She would've read a gigantic brick of a book about a semi-fictional 50's version of China, where capitalism has brought China to near collapse. The only one who is trying to put a stop to this is the young hot Chinese red guard, Dang-nji Taggu, who is trying to keep the collectivist rail company Red Track afloat, while searching for the mysterious revolutionary Yan Gau\n\nShe goes on a Long March towards Gau's Sovjet, and it ends with a single sentence speech: \"You work hard, together, or you get no food\".\n\nThe book is read by millions and China becomes even more capitalist. Deng Xiaoping wins. The end."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>implying it wouldn't just be mommy mao"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n*written"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nJiang was a bougie actress, she didn't have the revolutionary leader pedigree mao did"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYes, the very idea of an actor becoming a charismatic politician in the 1970s is laughable."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Gang of Four\nI liked their album."}, {"id": 12, "content": "They only cared about power. Their motivation was based on the sidelining of Mao after the GLF.\n\n>>3\nThey were effectively in control for about 10 years mate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina remains literally worse than Africa for decades. Taiwan invades around the year 2000, reconquers the mainland and introduces Chinese people to great wonders of science such as electricity and refrigeration.\n>>7\nMao's wife was a total retard with no grasp of marxist dialectics, let alone actual political strategy, beyond just telling kids to beat up anybody who wasn't a yesman."}, {"id": 14, "content": "How the fuck did Deng outmaneuver them and Hua?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nMaoism was a horrible economic system but Mao was too much of a figurehead to the party to place blame on, therefore all the failures of Maoism got placed on these four"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Khmer Rogue Genocide but on a much more massive scale"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey DID take power, hence Deng & the moderates connived and fucked them up."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina would be undisputed global hegemon, since they wouldn't be hampered by capitalism and would develop even more rapidly under the superior Maoist economic system."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>Yes, the very idea of an actor becoming a charismatic politician in the 1970s is laughable.\nI know that's a Reagan joke but I just had an alt-timeline vision where Jane Fonda becomes an American cultural revolution leader (kinda was) and seizes power and everyone has to do mass workouts.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/ZcivzgPHHuk [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Jane Fonda\nI hate leftists so much it's unreal"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYeah but she was so hot in Barbarella."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">sired over 1000 offspring in his lifetime\n>i can't even get one gf\nhow can i be more like him? he's my rolemodel and my idol, and i want to be just like him but i'm afraid to leave my basement"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but i'm afraid to leave my basement\n\nthere it is.\n\nWomen will fuck powerful men.\n\nGet rich or get influential."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncan you ride a horse at least"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis Khan could hit a target with an arrow while riding a horse. Most Mongolian men could too. Can you do that OP?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMurder"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>sired over 1000 offspring in his lifetime\nHe didn't tho. Geneticists figured there was some man vaguely in the Middle Ages who is the ancestor of a lot of Central Asians and historians jumped to conclusions because it made for a better narrative. His sons had more kids tho."}, {"id": 7, "content": "> how can i be more like him? he's my rolemodel and my idol, and i want to be just like him but i'm afraid to leave my basement\n\nlolll if you're willing to commit mass rape then you can def be like him"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Didn’t he have like 6 children and all of the males made fun out of of them (Jochi) because he wasn’t actually a son of Genghis?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>sired over 1000 offspring in his lifetime\nThis meme needs to fucking die already. He had only eight sons."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhave you tried winning"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nlegitimate children=/=all your children"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">launch the most successful Russian attack of the war\n>everyone around you is a vodka ridden retard so it doesn't matter anyway what you do, no matter how great or talented you are as a commander\npure suffering"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe got lucky that Conrad decided to embark on a punitive expedition against Italy behind Germany's back in addition to the fact that the Austrian trenches in the east were more built on comfort than defensibility. Brusilov almost solely encountered those incompetent Austrian units in his assault rather than the more formidable German ones and while the northern armies who failed him were supposed to march against said Germans, they were facing a much more daunting task than Brusilov, himself.\n\nThe fact that the Brusilov offensive brought Romania into the war, which stretched the Russian frontline and led to Romania's immediate collapse at the hands of the Central Powers who would go on to exploit the country's resources as best they could was also another consequence of his offensive."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Brusilov almost solely encountered those incompetent Austrian units in his assault\nNot OP but I'll count this as a credit to Brusilov, that he *knew* to hit those trenches full of Austrians out on summer camp rather than the trenches full of Prussians who were there to fight.\nAs for Romania, yeah, Broo-sama was probably expecting that Romania would be an asset. Romania did have people who could fight. Look at how Romania rolled up Hungary after the Armistice.\n\nSo I guess I'm more interested in why Romania was so useless during the war given how hard they fucked Hungary afterward."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Not OP but I'll count this as a credit to Brusilov, that he *knew* to hit those trenches full of Austrians out on summer camp rather than the trenches full of Prussians who were there to fight.\nWell, Brusilov's goal was to launch an attack on the Austrians while the other armies concentrated on the more formidable Germans. The failure to push back the Germans made the long-term consequences of his offensive more detrimental to Austria, alone, than beneficial to the state of the Russian Empire.\n\n>As for Romania, yeah, Broo-sama was probably expecting that Romania would be an asset. Romania did have people who could fight. Look at how Romania rolled up Hungary after the Armistice.\n\nYou wouldn't believe the amount of people who thought Romania had the potential to turn the tide of the war on both sides of the conflict. They did have people who could fight but the four-pronged attack by hardened German, Bulgarian, Ottoman, and Austrian forces on their nation left them dead-in-the-water.\n\nWhile they fucked up Soviet Hungary afterwards and did do most of the heavy lifting, if I'm not mistaken, Hungary was also surrounded by other enemies at the time like Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia who wanted to solidify control over their claimed regions of Hungary. Hungary also had quite a number of internal problems at the time the Romanians and the other aforementioned states put at end to Bela Kun's ambitions.\n\nSo, I don't think Romania's failure when confronted with the Central Powers anyway seems inconsistent with their success over Soviet Hungary given the different circumstances at the time of the two events.."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a bad idea to attack at all. All those resources and time would have been better spent on defenses, fortifications and continuing to arm up and let the Germans run headfirst into your guns."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIIRC his plan was to have other armies pin the Germans with light diversionary attacks but the commander who was supposed to do this was a retard who didn’t bother letting the Germans come and save the Austrian’s ass"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIf I'm not mistaken, the German reinforcements came from the West with the attack on Verdun being halted. This in contrast to reinforcements being deployed from the German lines on the Eastern Front that the other Russian commanders were supposed to engage.\n\nI might be wrong on this matter, though, since it's been awhile since I've read an official account of the offensive."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI doubt it, though I’m not sure. Falkenheyen was dead set on being a retard at Verdun so he probably only sent troops after a lot of Austrian begging and only very reluctantly."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy great grandfather (1884-1980) served in the 8th army under Brusilov as a pioneer during this offensive. He never spoke about his service and I was the one to discover it nearly 100yrs later from photos."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWell, the Brusilov was launched partially with the intent of relieving the French at Verdun.\n\nWhile I'd prefer to cite a book, in the interest of time, I'll link a few somewhat less impressive sources that seem to back up the fact that German divisions were transferred from the Western Front.\n\n>The Brusilov Offense had quite an effect on the course of history... on the Western Front, the Eastern attacks saw Germany terminating its Verdun Operation to transfer no less than 35 divisions from the Schlieffen right hook to the Eastern Front.\n>http://www.worldwar1.com/tlbruoff.htm\n\n>[Germany's] efficient use of the railways to move 17 Divisions from the Western Front [led to the Brusilov Offensive being countered even though] German reinforcement of the Galician front succeeded in relieving pressure on the French at Verdun.\n>https://www.royal-irish.com/events/russia-attacks-brusilov-offensive\n\n>Germany was able to transfer 17 divisions from France and Belgium to halt the Russian advance.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksei_Brusilov\n\n>[Attached Pic]\n>https://www.themaparchive.com/product/brusilov-offensive-4-june15-september-1916/"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter that, he said fuck it and became the highest ranking imperial officer to defect to the Bolsheviks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do boomers get the blame for the social changes of the 1960s? Your average boomer graduated high school around 1970, even then most people do not have immense political and cultural power in their late teenage years. The civil rights movement started in the 1950s, predominantly by people in their 20s to 40s (Silent Gens and G.I. Gens), the Beatles were Silent Gen, the Beach Boys were Silent Gen, the movie Easy Rider? Made by a Silent Gen with Silent Gen actors. Timothy Leary and Betty Friedan were G.I. Gen. Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, R. Crumb, Andy Warhol, Grateful Dead, John Wayne Gacy, Janis Joplin, Charles Manson, Sharon Tate, all Silent Gen."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Why do boomers get the blame for the social changes of the 1960s?\nFor the unwashed masses, boomer is not a specific generation of people but just a synonym for \"old\" or \"old person\"."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I think it comes down to socialists trying to blame boomers for the prosperity they had, which is typical jewish/socialist thinking. Thanks to the antibodies of the US however all this produces is a generic \"they had it better\" \"ageism\" rhetoric and not the full blown \"we must dismantle the boomer power structures\" that socialism preaches"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Your average boomer graduated high school around 1970\nRetard. Baby Boom began in 1946.\nAnyway, the answer to your question is that they allowed it to happen without lifting a finger to stop it. They, as people alive at some point in the fledgling years of social change, do not fit in with the gay acceptance and glorification of black culture that we see in of todays society.\n\nThis means that in spite of openly DETESTING what has become of their nation, they ultimately did not RESIST such changes. They complain about muh kids these days but disregard the past as a figment of their lives of which the consequences existed only in a vacuum and had no effect on future generations.\n\nAlso this meme that the 1960s were some dark age when liberals ass raped your trad wives and ate white babies needs to fucking end. The 1950s had already begun to introduce many aspects of social life that carried over into the following decades as a form of early stage decay. The 70s wouldn't have been so bad without the excess of the 60s and the 60s wouldn't have been so degenerate if not for the ticking timebomb that 1950s geopolitics were built and so on and so forth."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nThe retards on /pol/ screeching about boomers are brown and not anglo, their entire history revolves around coveting what other people have but they try to break their programming"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Dawud Mu'min was the 44th person executed by Virginia in the post-1976 era for a particularly heinous murder of a store clerk in 1988. The worst part of his crime however was that he had not only killed before but was serving a prison sentence that ended disastrously due to inadequate inmate supervision.\n\nMu'min was born as David Michael Allen in NYC in 1953. He moved to Virginia after high school, where he played college basketball at Oak Hill Academy. On February 27, 1973, Allen robbed and shot to death Charles Shupe, a middle aged taxi driver, in Grayson County. He was convicted of first degree murder and robbery and sentenced to 48 years in prison. During his incarceration, he became a member of the Nation of Islam and changed his name to Dawud Majid Mu'min. Mu'min was less than a model prisoner and he was denied parole six times and accumulated an extensive list of infractions in the prison.\n\nBy 1988, fifteen years into his sentence, Mu'min had managed to get assigned to work crews outside the prison, which included picking up litter by the side of highways. On September 22, he was with five other inmates on a work detail in Dale City. Mu'min fashioned a homemade shiv which had a handle fixed to it so it would look like a screwdriver and escape notice. During lunch break, he scaled a fence and took off. He walked along I-95 to Ashdale Plaza Shopping Center, where he entered Dale City Floors, a carpet and rug store, and began asking the manager, 42 year old Gladys Napwasky, about the prices of some oriental rugs."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not long afterwards, Mu'min returned to the work detail. A customer who entered Dale City Floors meanwhile discovered Gladys Napwasky's battered body behind the front counter, laying in a pool of blood. She was nude from the waist down and her shirt and bra pushed up above her shoulders. She had numerous cuts all over her upper body as well as blunt force injuries. Her jugular vein had been severed and allowed her to bleed out; this was ruled as the primary cause of death, a puncture wound to the left lung being a contributing injury.\n\nIt wasn't long before Mu'min was suspected in the murder and taken in for questioning. Initially, he told police that he arrived at Dale City Floors to find \"a tall white guy with long blonde hair\" attacking Mrs. Napwasky. The assailant was bent over her, his pants pulled down, and she was heavily bleeding out her mouth and nose. Mu'min said the man fled when he entered the store and saw them. Contradicting his story was the testimony of his fellow inmates who said he'd openly told them about attacking the victim.\n\nEventually Mu'min changed his story and admitted he did kill Gladys, but told a highly self-serving version of events. He said he entered the store and asked about the price of oriental rugs. Mu'min claimed he objected to the price that she quoted him and this turned into a shouting match with Gladys screaming racial slurs and spitting at him. He slapped her across the face and she responded by kicking him in the crotch. Mu'min yanked her pants down in the altercation and she tried to stab him with a steak knife. He wrestled the knife from her hands and stabbed her in the chest and neck with it. Then he checked her pulse to make sure she was ok and tried to wipe some of the blood with a damp cloth and his shirt."}, {"id": 3, "content": "*cracks fingers*\n\nIt's racism time"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Unable to find a first aid kid in the store, he took $4 in change from the cash register with the intention of going across the street to a convenience store and purchasing a bag of ice to use on Gladys's wounds, but at the last minute he changed his mind, tried to wipe any fingerprints he might have left from the crime scene, and headed back to the work detail, tossing his bloody shirt and the murder weapon in a field by the roadside. Mu'min added that he did not rape Gladys and this was confirmed when the autopsy found no evidence of it.\n\nMu'min was convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of Gladys Napwasky. He met the executioner's needle on November 13, 1997 after declining a last meal. As a result of the murder, the Virginia Department of Corrections altered its inmate work detail policy to only use inmates convicted of nonviolent offenses and considered a low security risk."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">another tulsatranny thread\nYawn."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Raping and murdering women? That doesn't sound very halal."}, {"id": 7, "content": "why don't you guys just start a nigger hate general thread already? sheesh."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nOf course he cried racism lmao\n\ntypical black"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nNation of Islam has nothing to actually do with the Islamic religion, it's /x/-tier schizo shit about how blacks used to be superpowered beings who had an advanced civilization in like 10,000 BC until some magician created white people in a lab and caused their civilization to collapse which is why modern Africans are primitive people."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\ncripes, that dude was 29? he looks at least 45. the chicks all look at least 30."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">moomin\nhaha"}, {"id": 12, "content": "N"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">A paramedic who responded to the scene said that Gladys was unresponsive, but her heart was still pumping. \"She wasn't breathing and had no pulse, however, because there was nothing left for it to pump.\"[3]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>4\nWhy do you autistic retards feel the need to just copy paste entire Wikipedia articles?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nI didn't know the heart could keep going for a while after circulation ceased but I'm not a medical expert. Either way that's fucking nasty and why I never had any interest in working in the medical field."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nTo spite (you).\nIt's not like it was a waste of a thread space anyway when you consider the absolute state of this board."}, {"id": 17, "content": "https://obituaries.meadvilletribune.com/obituary/eugene-nopwasky-752551561\n\nThis mentions that her husband sold Dale City Floors a year later and moved to Meadville where he worked at Home Depot afterwards. Golly I can't imagine why he would unload that place."}, {"id": 18, "content": "A relative of mine was a policeman in Virginia sometime around this time. He told of one lady who was stabbed and slashed to death by her boyfriend. The wounds to her neck almost severed her head. They nicknamed it the bobblehead or pez dispenser murder or something like that"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nman, nigga just wanted to buy a throw rug and this white bitch had to make a scene and start a fight with him"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Here's an interesting piece of info. He claimed the murder happened in an argument over the price of Oriental rugs, but later evidence indicated that Dale City Floors had not stocked those since the 1970s."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Luther left moment-by-moment descriptions of his anal distress... In a vivid letter, he describes a hemorrhoid “the size of a walnut” growing on his ass... “If it was mixed with blood, then there was a relief and almost pleasure in pooing, so that I was often inclined to defecate. And if it was touched with the finger, it itched pleasurably and the blood flowed.” In one such bout of bloody shitting, he was thinking of Romans 1:17. “The righteous will live by faith.” And it came to him! “The Holy Spirit unveiled the Scriptures for me in the tower,” Luther says later. “Here I felt that I was altogether born again, and had entered Paradise itself through open gates.”\n>He kept up talk of shitting, farting and anal sex.\n\n>“He would often joke about sex, even remarking that ‘pious Christ himself’ had committed adultery three times — once with Mary Magdalen and once with the woman at the well, and once with the adulteress whom he let off so lightly.”\n\n>As a monk, he did little except mope. He wrote a friend: “I should be ardent in spirit, but I am ardent in the flesh, in lust, laziness, effeminacy, and sleepiness.”\n\n>Luther’s revolutionary writings led to outbreaks of violence throughout Germany. By 1525, mobs had destroyed churches, burned sacred art, and profaned the Eucharist... Luther wrote a pamphlet titled Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants, in which he called on the nobility to suppress the rebellion with all necessary violence, which they did with ferocious efficiency, killing 130,000 peasants.\n>Luther later took responsibility, sort of, for the mass killings, writing “it was I who slew all the peasants in the insurrection, for it was I who commanded them to be slaughtered; their blood is on my head . . . but I throw the responsibility on our Lord God who instructed me to give this order.”"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">I am ardent in the flesh, in lust, laziness, effeminacy, and sleepiness.”\nliterally me"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>While on the toilet\nLiteral reddit meme"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Adam ruins everything tier reporting"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat the actual fuck is wrong with protestants?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAre you mad your hero was a scat fetishist mass murderer? It's historical fact, Dirk, you can't get around this"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>digs up his asshole with his finger to dislodge the shit to let the fecal matter and blood from the hemerrhoids pour out\nomg he is literally me"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">NOOOO YOU CANT JUST DO A HECKIN TRANSLATE THE BIBLE INTO THE VERNACULAR SO THE LAYITY CAN OUT WE’VE BEEN ROBBING THEM WITH A CASH-4-HEAVEN SCAM FOR YEA-ACK!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThe bible was translated in german way before Luther, retard."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nyeah from latin"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">kiddie diddlers still seething about one single German dude who ruined their grift some five hundred years ago\nUnlike you, we recognize that men are fallible, and therefore don't worship a man like a papist does."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Another prot who doesn't understand papal infallibility\n*yawn*"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nNTA but \"so\" the Vulgate with all its Jeromiasms and accretions from the vetus-latina made it an imperfect window on the Scripture which the Apostles intended.\nI swear, Vulgatafags are almost as bad as KJV wankers."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nGalileo declare that our sun was not the Centreville the universe, it was just another star among millions of others. The Pope took exception and firmly pointed out that this was clearly wrong and anyone uttering such a statement will be punished. The punishment was being burnt at the stake, The scientific community stood firmly behind Galileo and the Pope was proved to be fallible"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>it was just another star among millions of others\nThat was Giordano Bruno.\n>The Pope...\nThe Pope invited Galileo HIMSELF to give him private classes about the matter because he wanted to show protestants Catholics weren't superstitious idiots.\n>The punishment was being burnt at the stake\nHe was never burned at the stake\n\nYou are an idiot."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>The Pope... because he wanted to show protestants Catholics weren't superstitious idiots.\nThen he failed on every level,incorrect about the science, incorrect about the moral code and also catholics are still superstitious idiots."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nOk? I'm not a \"Vulgatafag\", I just pointed out there was a german translation before Luther, besides, who else but clergy and nobility would read the bible? What does it matter if it was in vernacular or not? They knew latin. Prots seem to forget there was no printing press.\n>>15\nAmazing, you don't understand neither the Galileo affair nor papal infallibility. First, Galileo was indeed wrong on some things and he couldn't prove his claims, plus he made theological assertions and insulted the pope, which is why he was put in house arrest. No one was ever burned at the stake for this and Galileo's book despite being banned in Rome could still be read in other catholic countries. Second, Papal Infallibility has a set of criteria it needs to meet, so the pope is neither impeccable nor is every statement given by him infallible."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nGutenberg Bible: 1450s\nMartin Luther's Bible: 1522\n\nreed moar"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>1450s\nExactly. And you still didn't answer the other questions."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n1522-1452 = 70, vulgatafag. 70 years is a long time for word to get out.\nAs for\n>whaaa putting Galileo under house arrest wasn't so baad\nThe chilling-effect of the Counter-Reformation was real:\nhttps://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4389708\nYeah, Galileo got to stay at home, order in pizza, and read Italian erotica novels until he died. He didn't get to keep doing research.\nThe Inquisition is a blunt instrument. When it tells a researcher to stop researching, he stops doing heresy - and he stops doing anything else useful."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>1450 years without general accessibility\nMy questions remain unanswered. Also, Galileo didn't live in some dungeon and had a servant to aid him, so it definitely wasn't bad. The Copernican theory was never considered heresy, so I have no idea what you're talking about."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>Papal Infallibility has a set of criteria it needs to meet, so the pope is neither impeccable nor is every statement given by him infallible.\nGeocentric model was catholic doctrine, to question church dogma was to deny the popes infallibility, and as such prove it wrong"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThe Geocentric model was never a dogma of the church, it might have been considered doctrine and valued as such but there is a distinction."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThe Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>8\n*mistranslate the Bible into the vernacular"}, {"id": 27, "content": "don't people usually get a lot of thinking done sitting on the toilet? It's like when you're in the shower or taking a walk or what have you, just a time to spend contemplating things\nnot Christian so no dog in this fight tho"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nThe church endorsed research in that area and even invited Copernican scientists to teach at Rome, the whole fiasco with Galileo was because he wanted to establish his theory as fact and not as a mere proposition. And no, it was not known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe, it was merely theorized by some, this couldn't be proved until Kepler."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nYes, incidentally this is also why India is so backwards."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\nSo translations of translations are not desirable"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Moves James because it doesn't agree with his theology\n>Takes away seven books because 'muh joos' don't have it\nI'm sure Luther was very concerned about accuracy"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nNeat talking points, get them from a youtube video?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nCope"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did the lost cause myth get going? Usually the losers don't write the history books"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">winners write the history\n\nIncorrect. The survivors write the history.\n\nBlacks objectively lost hard but modern history is on their side. Because they survived\n\nAll the important confederate leaders were pardoned and lived freely. Confederate sympathisers were allowed to push their revisionist history and erect statues etc etc"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The dixiecrats were given back control of their states a little over a decade after they lost and proceeded to write the history."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNortherners let it slide to facilitate reconstruction."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Jubal Early’s post war cope memoir"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nExactly. I prefer to get my Civil War history from 20th century jewish academics."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nas opposed to the 19th century jews working for the confederates?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nJudah Benjamin infecting the Confederate leadership with his filth has little to do with the Lost Cause and the reason common southerners decided to take up arms."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>the reason common southerners decided to take up arms.\nelites convincing poor whites that their worst enemy was black people?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>elites convincing poor whites that their worst enemy was black people?\nLMAO. These type of retarded comments only work on plebbit"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYou mean slavery? Chudfederate cope unironically makes kike propaganda like the Protocols of the Elderes of Zion look good in comparison.\n\nCSA music is bomb though."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nnot an argument"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n\nmakes sense"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt began with the early 20th century iteration of the KKK. before then there were no sympathizers or revanchist southerners who believed in a lost cause. They were disgruntled by losing but there were hardly any further reasons to be sore about it like>>4 said. Everyone in charge was pardoned and the south was reintegrated. Later groups would come to revive the imagery of the confederacy in an effort to establish a new cultural sphere in American politics. None of them will ever get away with trying to defend slavery though, so they just use vague language to skirt around the issue entirely.\n>>6\nWhy do /pol/trannies reduce everything to muh jooz? Are you aware that the confederacy was run by a literal Jew?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nIf you were a poor white southerner why on earth would you want to free the joggers after what had just happened in Haiti?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nHe dealt with foreign policy schizo, I doubt he influenced very many WASP southerners..."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>It began with the early 20th century iteration of the KKK\nThe Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates was published in 1866 retard."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nThe elites did that well-enough by refusing to live with those black people, and refusing to police them.\nGetting knifed (because whites aren't allowed to bear arms) and seeing your sister gang raped (because lol she loves the BBC) tends to have that effect.\nRead Restall's book on Reconstruction in Texas, paying close attention to the paragraphs on the riot by blacks in Galveston."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nIt was an economic industrial north vs agricultural south. Republicans pushed the American System which led to the south paying a majority of the government income through tariffs. The south was getting fucked economically and did not want to be beholden to the northern Republicans. Anyone who thinks the issue of slavery was meaningful beyond consolidating economic and political power is retarded. Northerners hated black people and the abolition movement was minuscule."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nPrior to Reconstruction, Alexis de Tocqueville reported that day to day race relations were worse in the North, especially states that never had slaves."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nwhy did southerners all put slavery in their constitutions and declarations of secession but not tariffs?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nYou probed his point about the Jews retard"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\nim not op"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nConfederate Constitution Article I Section 8(1):\n>The Congress shall have power – To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Libtards believe that the region of the country with no major universities or national newspapers managed to trick the entire country that the south was le good\nHow do we end the lost cause myth myth?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nDeclaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union:\n\n\"For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the Institution of Slavery has led to a disregard of their obligations... Thus the constitutional compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.\"\n\nSecession of Mississippi from the Federal Union and the ordinance of secession:\n\n\"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world.\"\n\nFlorida Declaration of Causes:\n\n\"Laws clearly constitutional and as decided to be by the Federal Judiciary as well as by the Courts of all the non slaveholding States where the question has been presented for adjudication have been by counter legislation rendered inoperative, laws without the power to pass which none will deny that the Constitution would not have been adopted... The nullification of these laws by the Legislatures of two thirds of the non slaveholding States important as it is in itself is additionally as is furnishing evidence of an open disregard of constitutional obligation, and of the rights and interests of the slaveholding States and of a deep and inveterate hostility to the people of these States.\"\n\nGeorgia Declaration of Secession:\n\n\"For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slaveholding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.\"\n\nTons more that you can look up.\nWere there other pressing issues that contributed to the war? Absolutely. But the primary reason for secession was the issue of slavery."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nExcept early 20th century Jews were pro CSA and turned the rebellion into a Hollywood legend with movies like Gone with the Wind. Most Jews were also solidly democratic and the south voted overwhelmingly democrat at the time."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>But the primary reason for secession was the issue of slavery.\nAnd the issue of slavery for both sides was economic and increasing partisan political power, not a moral issue. The main reason people did not want new slave states is because they did not want to live around black people."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Usually the losers don't write the history books\nWrong"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nWhy didn't they flip like the Dixiecrats did then?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>Rollin G. Osterweis"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Why exactly is the US Civil War treated any differently than the anti-serfdom conflicts also being waged in Europe during the mid 19th century? Is it literally just because the slaves were black instead of Russian?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nTo clarify, for politicians it was political and economic power. Common people in the north were against slavery because it wasn't worth having if it meant you lived near blacks.\n\nThe point I am stressing is that slavery was not an issue of morality and saving the poor blackerinos like the McGraw Hill historians would have you believe."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat myth? The tyranny of the north was obvious enough to even the average Joe that it was consagrated in popular culture. Gone with the Wind still is the most successful movie of all time. Of course this immensely triggers (((academics))) that proceed to smear by calling it all a myth as if it never happened."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n/thread"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did the lost cause myth get going?\nThe Southern racists who lost the Civil war came back to power after the end of Reconstruction and being hated by virtually everyone and seen as totaly losers -- rightfully so.\n\nInstead of dealing with this loss, they turned to various people and mythologized them in the aftermath of the Civil War and started to really go all out when they got the power back and were able to enact Black Codes and restrict the rights of Black people."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Why do American libertarians fetishize the antebellum South so much? You'd think for someone calling themselves a libertarian, \"slavery bad\" would be an easy position to take. But apparently not, every libertarian is obsessed with elaborate alt-history over the Civil War."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nmost \"libertarians\" are just conservatives using a heckin cool word for themselves"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's far more people who bitch about the lost cause myth than people who actually believe it."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\nYou're not even white. Nobody cares what you think."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>14\n>Why do /pol/trannies reduce everything to muh jooz?\nWhen you have no personality, you default to pretending to fight against imaginary forces of evil."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\n>>13\n>>1 (OP)\n>anything I dont like is revisionism\n\nWhat exactly do you think IS revisionism? Especially since Confederates were not particularly ashamed of their way of life, why would they have reason to lie?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>15\n>just happened\n>60+ years ago\n>With a population difference ratio of 3:1 if you thought you would lose a race war with that ratio you deserve to be blacked.\n\n>>19\nMore chudfederate cope. New York alone contributed more to the federate income than the entire South. The North started with not liking the blacks but that was still better than the South where mentioning \"abolition\" got you lynched."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>New York alone contributed more to the federate income than the entire South.\nSource?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI recall a book, whose title sadly escapes me even though I can at least attest that it wasn't centered on the Civil War, that remarked that the destruction of the Confederacy was one of the greatest acts of \"nation-killing\" to have occurred in history.\n\nThe sheer amount of blood spilled and lives sacrificed in addition to the extent to which Southerners, in various walks of life, all came together to fight for a common cause would have ensured its survival as a nation, one with a founding myth built on those aforementioned sacrifices for a unifying common cause.\n\nAs such, and considering the attempts of certain Union politicians and generals to peacefully integrate the South back into the American nation without conducting something akin to the process of denazification that followed the end of World War II in Europe, it makes sense a sense of nostalgia and respect would linger for the Confederacy."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nI know there is no source. Tariffs were the dominate source of government revenue in 1860. The South paid over 70% of it. The majority of this revenue was used on Northern industry."}, {"id": 47, "content": "it’s part of gods plan"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>16\n>Jews in government?\n>it's a nothingburger bro\nAnd yet when Jews deal in American foreign policy ITS LE BAD WE ARE A JEWOCRACY. Nice double standards you fucking nigger."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause America wanted to become an empire. A lot of it stems specifically from the Spanish-American war. The US badly wanted southerners to join the federal military again, in order to staff a new wave of imperial military campaigns.\n\nAs part of that effort, Confederates were re-integrated back into the broader 'American' society and culture, along with their heroes, their symbols, and their monuments.\n\nAmong other notable examples, the Confederate General Joseph Wheeler became a US Army General, and eventually one of the heroes of San Juan hill. His men flew Confederate flags alongside the American one. This was not a problem for the US military, which had become a 'big tent' in order to serve its growing imperium."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>32\nkind of. More that ex-slaves remain a distinct group (looking different helps in that regard) and mostly at the bottom of the social pyramid, while ex-serfs tended more to meld into the population at large.\nThat or they took part in (successful) revolutionary or independence movements, while the US still operates under a constitution from 1789."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>44\nI'm not sure it contibuted more federal income but it did have more manufacturing power than the entire Confederacy. I've read a number of books on the Civil War and, while I am not in the mood to find a source at this very movement, I just want to corroborate the point that the poster you responded to made. If this thread is still up tomorrow and I'm in the mood, I'll see if I can find you that source."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the North gave up on subjugating the South.\nMuch like America in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.\n\nThe US Government beat the Army but then went \"Ahhhhh jeez man, it's kinda a lot of money and energy to keep up this nationbuilding thing\" after like 10 years.\n\nOnce the US pulled back and took down the military governments in southern states the southerners just went right back to southerning.\nThe same way Afghans and Vietnamese did.\n\nThe US didn't have the treasury, political capital, or lives to buck break the south like we did with Germany or to flood them with cash and make them vassals like we did with Korea or Japan.\n\nSo once we left, they just went right back to normal except every family had a story about how the yankees murdered their grandpa."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNortherners were willing to entertain Southern delusions for the sake of national unity and reintegration basically. It's the American equivalent to how Canada has to bribe Quebec with billions of gibs dollars every year just to keep them quiet and stop them from chimping out.\nAdditionally, the US military has always had an enormous representation of Southerners in it (because poverty and underdeveloped economy = military career in most cases). Therefore, obviously they liked to honor their own team and ancestors."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>6\nFun fact: the first big academic to actually point out that the Confederacy was rich slave owners fighting to keep their slaves, and sacrificing the Southern youth in the process, was a purebred WASP from North Carolina.\nSchizoing out over Jews in the shadows is entertaining, but come on now."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Usually the losers don't write the history books\nClearly you don't know anything about the Jews then."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>14\nDon't forget that time Union General Grant literally expelled all Jews from a state lol"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>19\nUh gee, I wonder why the South was agricultural huh. I wonder if that agricultural economy shares anything in common with the agricultural economy of Brazil or Cuba too."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>25\n>Pretends \"Birth of a Nation\" isn't literally the first blockbuster movie in history\n>Pretends Virginian Woodrow Wilson wasn't President\n>Pretend Theodore Roosevelt didn't have Confederate ancestors\n>Pretends Southerners couldn't move states to work in Indiana, Michigan, etc. and pass down their identity and culture to their kids\n>Ignores Vanderbilt, University of Virginia, Duke, Washington & Lee and VMI"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>28\n>The main reason people did not want new slave states is because they did not want to live around black people.\nExactly, so what the fuck is the point of defending the Confederacy LMAO. They wanted to turn North America into fucking South Africa.\nEvery white supremacist in America should be eternally grateful the great Union Army put a stop to that before the dreaded \"Golden Circle\" Nightmare became a reality."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>32\n>Why exactly is the US Civil War treated any differently than the anti-serfdom conflicts also being waged in Europe during the mid 19th century?\nBecause Russian nobility is all dead or exiled permanently and Russian descendants of serfs aren't treated as a separate racial ethnic group, theyre just the bog standard Russian people.\nBlacks in America, as many Anons on this website will gleefully point out themselves, still aren't fully accepted as \"true American\"."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe weak shall fear the strong, thats simple"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>37\nLibertarianism in the USA just means \"I want to keep my property\", not actual Liberal principles regarding individual freedom.\nSlaves are property."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>39\nYou think that because you're a Zoomer born in 2000 and obviously know nothing of the world before that time. Robert E. Lee was still \"an American hero\" well into the 1980s, while Winfield Scott (also a Virginian, also a great general who actually won his war, but a Unionist loyalist) remains forgotten entirely"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>59\n>Dood ur like white supremacists\nFuck off nigger"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>42\n>Especially since Confederates were not particularly ashamed of their way of life, why would they have reason to lie?\nWell exactly, the actual confederates of 1861 didn't hide any of it, they very openly spell it out in their Cornerstone speech and declarations of secession. They want to keep Africans as slaves and see the mere possibility of abolitionism as reason to rebel.\nIt's their descendants who had to make vague shit up and beat around the bush while pretending that it was a mere coincidence that every single secessionist state said they seceded to preserve \"the peculiar institution\"."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>52\nWe didn't even \"buck break\" Germany. Most West German government officials, businessmen, and army officers were former NSDAP and Wehrmacht veterans. Germany just didn't chimp out again because they understood that they'd all fucking die in nuclear hellfire if they even thought about trying anything fishy."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nRemember that abolitionism as a movement was founded on the belief that Europeans invented the slave trade in Africa and it didn't exist before they arrived. Therefore it was in the abolitionist's view that niggers were uniquely innocent and tortured beings at the hands of evil white people which is why nobody with half a brain agreed with them, because was obviously propaganda."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nWe're on 4chan, Anon. You don't have to pretend you're not racist, like 80% of this website (including the non-white users) is a white supremacist kek"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>42\nmaybe because most southerners today want their reputation as \"\"clean\"\" as possible"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>Come to 4chan\n>Screech about racism\nFuck off nigger"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>Remember that abolitionism as a movement was founded on the belief that Europeans invented the slave trade in Africa and it didn't exist before they arrived\nWhat the fuck are you on? Abolitionism was founded because people thought slavery was wrong, it's simple as that. Nobody thought slavery didn't exist in Africa before, there's a reason why the British literally raided and conquered multiple slave trading ports on the West African coast.\nAbolitionism in the US was particularly fueled by the US's own foundational document. Thomas Jefferson spells it out in bold ink, \"-that all Men are created equal and endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness\".\nFucking Lafayette was already calling Jefferson a blatant hypocrite in the 1700s."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nHe's not screeching, he's laughing it off. However, the fact that you're chimping out in such a hostile manner to the fact that he's calling you out for what you are, is very funny."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>Come to 4chan\n>Screech about racism\nnigger"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nNope, abolitionism was based on the false belief that Europeans started the slave trade in Africa and were nabbing niggers out of their villages at gunpoint personally, which is a lie"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nNo it wasn't."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nCope retard"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nAaahh yes, I sense it, this aura... It's a Monolingual burger! By God, he cannot read any primary source outside his own language, nor can he comprehend past politics outside of a contemporary culture war lense!"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>unknown\nAbolitionism was founded on Christianity. Northern and even southern Christians were appalled at the poor treatment of blacks by plantation owners."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>74\nNo one believed this. The US literally went to war with the Barbary pirates to stop them from raiding and capturing American merchants."}, {"id": 80, "content": "I think the civil war is more interesting if you see all the attempts the North and South had at stopping it over the decades leading up to it but time and time again failed to compromise. If anything the war is a complete failure of American democracy to solve complex issues. It is really more of a tragedy than anything else when you read about how most of the Confederate leadership did not even want to secede and were pushed by radicals and events like Harper's raid and the Hati crisis into revolting. Lincoln was a tyrant and looked for an excuse to settle the secession question once and for all with a hard 'no' enforced with an invasion of his own countrymen.\n\nIt was about slavery, but it was also about how every institution and leader in power failed to resolve the issue whatsoever. The monarchies in europe laughed at the american experiment for some time during and after the war for this situation.\n\nalso this thread is full of annoying 'my side won and your side lost' in a war that's centuries old and that's really tedious and stupid"}, {"id": 81, "content": "The Lost Cause narrative cast the North in a favorable light as well. Hey, we didn’t crush a bunch of barefoot hillbillies led by brutal slavers, it was brother against brother, a tragic misunderstanding where the forces of good finally triumphed over brave but misguided salt of the earth Americans led by noble cavaliers, and now we’re one nation again. Letting southerners indulge in the Lost Cause cooled post reconstruction butthurt and kept those southern boys filing the ranks in our military adventures."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere is no such thing, the term, \"lost caus myth\" is a antiamerican dog whistle used to erase and attack any and all remembrances of Americans in this country\ndon't be fooled"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nThe foundations of abolitionism are that white people are the ones that created African slavery. In order to justify their beliefs they needed whites to be uniquely guilty. In similar fashion it mirrors anti colonialist socialist propaganda"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\n>The monarchies in europe laughed at the american experiment for some time during and after the war for this situation.\nPretty bold of them given how Germany could only be united by Prussia tricking everyone into chimping out first and then slaughtering them in battle, while the British had a ticking time bomb in Ireland kek"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>26\nThis shit isn't serious. You're viewing slavery as it's own single instutiton rather than what it really is. It was about blacks and their ability to vote. There were many compromises on what black people could do politically and it was deeply concerning to the south who had an increasingly large minority of blacks who were a large potential voter base in a democracy where votes = power. Those black slaves now freed likely weren't going to be voting for you and they would be supporting the North which tipped the increasingly fragile power balance far in northern favor.\n\nSlavery represented many things. It was not about 'ownership of blacks' entirely, considering that the majority of Confederates did not even own slaves is telling here. It was about 'we have several million of a population that we can't account for, doesn't align with us culturally or politically, and we have no solution for dealing with once the war was over'\n\nand of course, when the war was over. No one had a solution for dealing with them and issue wasted away for decades before and after the war. It was a disgrace either way even if you're super pro Union or sympathetic to the Confederacy. It was spurred by stupid radicals who had no plans for the future, were scared of losing power, and people who would not compromise over values that could not be compromised.\n\nAlso you probably don't even have ancestors who fought in the war, shitskin"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\n>Fill your country with blacks\n>After slave trade is abolished, Southern planters breed them into bigger and dumber slaves\n>Whine when you have to live around the blacks you brought over\nThe fact is that every single thing you don't like about the modern US was caused by Southern planters. They wanted to LARP as English aristocrats and breed an army of orcs instead of contributing positively to the nation. The Southerners weren't victims, they were the root cause of America's race issues."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nIt's interesting how much of your personality is trying to blame people on 4chan of being guilty of slavery"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nYou are correct in slavery was wrong in importing thousands of blacks and deserved to be abolished for that alone\n\nHowever to blame all southerners for that is pretty jewish of you. Especially considering jews were pretty extensively involved in the early slave trade\n\nAlso I didn't fucking own slaves nor do I advocate slavery, retard. I'm sad there was a stupid fucking war at all caused by idiots on both sides and you should be too if you value european americans whatsoever instead of bashing boogeyman southerners"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nWhy are there so many contrarians here that attempt to defend American slavery 158 years after its death? There are constant threads on /his/ about how slavery wasn't that big of a deal or that it was a net positive, which is bizarre since there are so many so called \"Christians\" here too."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nPretty much all Southerners except Appalachians supported slavery though"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>86\nIt's unironically Biblical justice what happened to the Southern plantation class lol. Literally had their society destroyed by their greed and lust for money."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\n>If you dismantle my 1619 project black nationalist propaganda you support slavery\nCan you rob a target or something so we don't have to deal with your inane slander any longer?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nHe's not wrong about this board being filled with genuine apologists though. This isn't reddit, we really do have people who deny the Holocaust or support slavery here kek"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>90\nso you don't have reading comprehension? underaged esl"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConfederates and their descendants being reintegrated into the political sphere"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\n>He's\nSamefag I know it's you. You accuse random posters of supporting slavery and they reply with \"well it's a general support of slavery\". Nigger if you want internet points for being a broken nigger record might I suggest Twitter or reddit?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\n>"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nyou can hide the (You) with a vpn or just using a different device to access the site it's not hard"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nCope nigger. Reply with something that isn't you backpedaling getting off accusing random posters of supporting slavery and then pretending to be the victim\n\nDisgusting faggot"}, {"id": 100, "content": "1. blacks are an inferior race\n\n2. no matter how inferior they are, slavery is a retarded system because it inevitably falls apart, and then you have a completely FUCKED society and misegenation\n\n3. the South didn't give a shit because it was never about a genuine belief in racial superiority, but sheer greed from (((plantation owners))) and slave traders\n\n4. the same (((people))) that dragged white southerners to their death, were meanwhile fucking their own slaves and engaging in race treason themselves on their plantations\n\n5. the North would have sent all the blacks back to Africa, but because the CW was delayed so long, it became impossible logistically\n\nbasically, fuck the south and every race traitor that defends their scam \"heritage\""}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>43\n>ratio of 3:1\nMany parts of the south were and are still mostly black are you retarded?"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>pro white and anti black\n>decries half the US whites as 'race traitors'\n\nI don't like what slavery did either but how do you not see the obvious contradiction here"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>48\nWell given that he didn't really succeed at anything and Isreal didn't even exist at the time I think it wasn't really the same..."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nIt's probably the nigger samefagging again. You never know because it's possible there's actually that many retards that post here"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\n>decries half the US whites as 'race traitors'\nthis is not what i said, i said the plantation class (race traitors) led the rest of the white south in a pointless war"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>100\nThe only repatriation/resettlement plans from the feds were focused on Central America, and they never really reached the planning stage."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nOf course not, because a central part of the radical republican's plan for \"reconstruction\" was to use blacks as mobile voter fraud cattle to roam around and flip elections in their favorm they even tried it to a limited degree in the north"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nthen why do you celebrate sherman who burned down white cities and white women and children?\n\nand lincoln who had ties to marx and other jews?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nThe South had been unfairly advantaged in every election before the war thanks to the 3/5ths compromise. The South would have had barely any political power if they couldn't use blacks to inflate their population."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\n>ITS NOT FAIR YOU SHOULD LET ME STEAL ELECTIONS\nFuck off nigger"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>107\nThis was before the end of the war, when Lincoln was still alive."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nRevisionists try to claim that before Lincoln died these policies weren't in place, but there's no evidence of this\n\nThey even try to claim Lincoln was a \"good\" republican in an attempt to white wash his image, despite being the leader of the radical republicans"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nSo you think the South rigging every election before 1868 was good then?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>The constitution is a vote rigging system\nOnly a dumb commie nigger revisionist would claim this"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nIt was. The 3/5ths Compromise allowed the South to have more representatives in Congress and more electoral votes than they actually deserved."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nThanks for admitting being a dumb commie nigger"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>108\ngood question, anon, the sense of sadism I get from that sort of talk always unsettles me"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>history books"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>19\n>It was an economic industrial north vs agricultural south\nThe North was and is agricultural too, fucknuts. The whole Midwest was pro-ag and sided with Democrats on most material issues including the important trade matters. Democrats could consistently get their way as long as they were legislating or compromising to the betterment of the agricultural interests, and hence they were in control during the whole run-up to secession. Southern Democrats chose to split it up and antagonize their Northern copartisans over slavery. It was mainly the Midwestern free states and territories that were threatened or even terrorized by Southern slavery interests. Pro-slavery Southerners showed their colors during crises like Bleeding Kansas and over the years they only got more exapseratingly self-righteous about being nihilistic ooga-booga bandits.\n\nSouthern slavery politics promoted Republican sympathies in the North even though abolition was yes a relatively small movement, and even though most free-staters and free-soilers had no interest in interfering with slavery in Southern states. Southern pols and institutions like press were such utter cunts about slavery that it drove the ambivalent into Lincoln's arms. Southerners fucked themselves by demoting all their other interests to the expansion of slavery, and their aggressive stances on controlling anti-slavery sentiments in other states they had no fucking right to run. And in case it hasn't hit home yet, it was all about the fucking slaves. Fuck you."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nbleeding kansas was caused by northern abolitionist cultists illigally trafficking weapons to kansas"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>83\nThat was never the foundation of abolitionism. You are confusing today with the 19th century. Thanks for visiting /his/."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nSorry but the entire abolitionist movement was founded on the belief that whites, sometimes specifically anglos, created the slave trade in africa despite it being the entirety of their economy before whites arrived and that whites personally were kidnapping blacks out of straw huts"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>19\nHow do you get around that the Confederate constitution did not grant it's states anymore rights other than allowing the owning of slaves?\nIt's almost identical to the US Constitution.\n\nIt was a confedracy in name only."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\n>I'm sorry but I'm wrong and very confused\nI'm sorry too."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nI'm sorry you're retarded and wrong and don't have an argument"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\nThey did tinker a little bit like creating a new recall process for federal appointees to state offices. There was something about interstate commerce, between the lines that probably was a nod to slavery itself. But yeah it was barely anything.\n\nSome dickheads like to think of Secession and the war as a revolution. It's more accurate to view the creation of the Confederacy as a radical gerrymander. They didn't object to the system of government, they just wanted to engineer a constituency that would mathematically only ever be able to vote their way...on this one issue."}, {"id": 127, "content": "I mean if you're going to faff on about muh lost causers being traitors those states on average provide 20% more soldiers for the army than other states and have solidly for multiple decades. (looking to change with how the army is undermining their values though)"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>123\nTariffs and internal improvements are mentioned prior to slavery. The economies were so different that the American System pushed by Republicans in the North would have thoroughly fucked the South. They were so different they could not be reconciled together."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\n>Critics of internal improvement schemes did not have to dig deep under the veneer of \"public good\" to uncover self-interest. Washington's scheme for Potomac River improvement also happened to pass conveniently by his Mount Vernon estate and extend westward toward some 60,000 acres (24,000 ha) of undeveloped land in his possession. By the end of the 1790s, leaders of the emerging Democratic-Republican Party regularly assaulted the \"monied gentry\" and their improvement plans as visionary and extravagant, and gradually eroded public confidence in government action and authority. In their assaults on the Federalists' national agenda, Old Republicans perfected a language of opposition that provided the template for almost all future critiques of federal power: fear of centralized power; burdening taxpayers; taxing one locale for the benefit of another; creating self-perpetuating bureaucracies; distant governments undermining local authority; and subsidizing the schemes of the wealthy at public expense"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\n>Despite opposition, from 1816 to 1824 congressional interest in roads and canals escalated. The General Survey Act of 1824, which empowered Army engineers to survey lands for potential road and canal routes, represented a key victory. Meanwhile, work on the National Road continued. By 1833 it reached Columbus, Ohio, and by mid-century it stretched to Vandalia, Illinois. Between 1824 and 1828 Congress funded approximately ninety internal improvements projects, including canal construction, river and harbor development, and especially road construction. Throughout the Union, particularly in the West, federal funds and the labor of federal troops built roads between states."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>In An Act of March 3, 1819, for support of the government for 1819, Congress approved appropriations for the road from Cumberland to the Ohio River, including $250,000 for existing construction contracts and $285,000 for completion of the road\n>On November 30, 1819, Secretary Crawford asked Alexander Lacock, Thomas McGiffin, and Thomas Wilson to undertake an investigation. Crawford explained that in view of the doubts, “injurious to the interest of the United States, it has been judged expedient by the President, as well from a sense of justice to the late superintendent as from a due regard to the national interests, that a full and complete examination be made into the premises, in order that justice may be done.”\n>We are decidedly of opinion that unnecessary expense to a large amount has been incurred in the erection of bridges, when culverts would have been sufficient; side walls, when fillings of earth would have been less expensive, more permanent, and, in many instances, would have been effected at the expense of the road contractor; in unnecessary increase of dimensions of side and wing walls; the erection of expensive bridges where the stream might have been turned or avoided at a much less expense; and in the number of arches to each bridge. Deviations from the location are by Mr. Thompson admitted in several instances, one of which he admits to been adopted without advising the Department. The effects of such deviations we have not ascertained, nor have we been able to examine the reasons assigned by Mr. Thompson in justification of them."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>128\nSouthern Democrats were already getting their way on issues like tariff schedules because they shared those interests with Northern Democrats. They had got their way for decades, and like three successive rounds of trade loosening. It's already been pointed out that the North was also farming country and had its significant Democratic base. The split lay between the pro-slavery Democrats and the less-pro-slavery Democrats. Both favored the farming man, but one favored the slaveholder over the farmer. One favored the working settler and one favored the old money estate. Guess what political arithmetic could ensue.\n\nSoutherners destroyed their agriculturalist, free-trade, weak-federal-government coalition over slavery. All other principles, interests and basic political literacy were sacrificed to the \"honor\" of slaveholding.\n\nAnd for all this the mentions of non-slavery issues in the declarations of causes are merely mentions. No reading of the grievances can lead an honest person to conclude that it wasn't about slavery."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\n>The trouble with the national bank began immediately in 1817. Taking advantage of the private authority within this mixed corporation (private stockholders elected four-fifths of the directors), President William Jones and a band of intensely self-interested directors virtually hijacked the new central bank, subverting all requirements (most notoriously the requirement to stock the vault with specie), expanding loans (often to themselves) far in excess of authorized limits, and covering their misappropriations by freely issuing notes to all who desired them.\n>Because of these and other misdeeds, the bank was unable in October 1818 to meet a government call for $2 million to pay off the Louisiana Purchase. The repercussions rippled through the economy as State banks failed; merchants, farmers, and land speculators struggled as prices declined; and increased bankruptcies resulted in more unemployment.\n>On April 4, 1818, the House Committee on Roads, Canals, and Seminaries of Learning had introduced a resolution asking Secretary of War Calhoun and Treasury Secretary Crawford to submit plans “for the application of such means as are within the power of Congress” to make national roads and canals"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>While Congress was tending to construction of the Cumberland Road to Wheeling, it also took up legislation enabling statehood for Illinois (1816) and Indiana (1818), both of which contained language related to roads. The Enabling Act of April 19, 1816, for Indiana contained this provision: five per cent. of the net proceeds of the lands lying within the said territory, and which shall be sold by Congress from and after the first day of December next, after deducting all expenses incident to the same, shall be reserved for making public roads and canals, of which three-fifths shall be applied to those objects within the said state, under the direction of the legislature thereof, and two-fifths to the making of a road or roads leading to the said state under the direction of Congress"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>132\nSouthern states were absolutely not getting their way on tariffs. As of 1860 when the dominate source of government revenue was through tariffs, Southern states accounted for over 70% of those funds. While a majority of the internal improvements projects funded by those tariffs where done in the North.\n\nNo honest person can conclude that the issue of slavery was not an economic and political one. The point is that the characterization of the war being fought on moral grounds is pure revision and incorrect."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\nWhen Alabama and Mississippi had sought appropriations for internal improvements, the Senate voted it down. And yet, “now we see (said Mr. W.) two or three States, that have received donations of millions of acres for purposes of internal improvement, calling upon an exhausted Treasury for a million of dollars which we should have to borrow.” He urged the Senators to “look at the enormity of such a measure, and the prejudicial bearing it would have upon the whole Confederacy.”\n\nThe bill, with its supposed reliance on the two-percent fund, was “a palpable fraud upon the very face of the documents, and yet we were called upon to vote for it.” It was not a national object, but would benefit only a few States, with the money coming out of his constituents’ pockets"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>6\nall the seething replies prove you correct.\n>it had a pro South bias\nIt was historically accurate and its only bias was in not being overtly Hostile to a significant subset of Americans.\n>le hicks\nsmarter, less inbred, and more educated than blacks, not even racist, its just a fact. those who love blacks hate Southerners with all their disadvantages still BTFO blacks in every category."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>136\nClay still hoped to distribute that money to the states for internal improvements and colonization. Widespread support for distribution included some Democrats under political pressure from constituents eager to receive the money. Yet western senators persisted in their wish to reduce the price of federal lands, a move sure to endanger the surplus, and Clay had to fight them at every turn. At the end of March 1836, he stoutly opposed Robert J. Walker’s plan to reduce land prices for people who had settled on public property. Walker wanted to grant them “preemption,” which meant exclusive rights to purchase land at bottom dollar. Clay called these people squatters, a term Walker found objectionable when applied to those he claimed were the backbone of the nation, the very men who had fought under Jackson at New Orleans. Walker exclaimed that if the men Clay derided as squatters had been in Washington in 1814, they would have saved the city from the British torch. The gallery loved this sort of talk, and it greeted Walker’s tribute to patriotic American yeomanry with loud applause. Clay waited for everyone to settle down. He innocently claimed no disrespect to squatters but impishly added that he “hardly thought they would have saved the Capitol unless they had given up their habits of squatting.”"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>135\nPro-Southern Democrats sponsored and endorsed the tariff bills in force over the decades prior to Secession. Tariff rates were at a historical low point by Secession, and the regime was extremely loose compared to the rest of the developed world at this time. You're a fucking idiot.\n>Southern states accounted for over 70% of those funds\nYou're literally making this up. New York City alone was contributing a majority of the tariff revenue. Next was Boston. THEN you had Lousiana and Charleston bringing up the rear. The South didn't only not pay a majority of the tariffs, they barely paid a minority. No fucking wonder, because the tariff regime was set up by fucking Southerners.\n>they were mad that there were tariffs at all\nNo fucktard, they weren't, because they had set up protective tariffs to favor their own industries. Tariffs cut both ways, remember? Did they cover that for you on fucking facebook or wherever it is you went to school?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>36\n>The Southern racists who lost the Civil war came back to power after the end of Reconstruction and being hated by virtually everyone and seen as totaly losers -- rightfully so.\nSeething Carpetbagger is angry northerners didn't perpetually control the South"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\n>cope\n>seethe\nYep\nIt's a Southern post"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>22\n>probed\nLearn to speak English correctly"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey lost the civil war, but then they won the reconstruction."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>138\nHe heatedly asked why it was proper for those squatters “to seize upon and rob the United States of their possessions.” When Indiana’s John Tipton objected to Clay’s defaming his constituents, Clay heedlessly characterized squatters as a “lawless rabble.”\n\nThat phrase, as the Heidlers noted, would be used against Senator Clay in later debates, during which he was depicted as an enemy of the new States and their inhabitants. Senator Clay would deny using the phrase, but it was cited in the Globe on January 27, 1838.\n\nSenator Campbell summarized the budget situation, saying his colleagues were “sailing under a clear sky, with propitious breezes, over a summer sea. But do you see no speck on the political horizon?” If we contract a national debt, the “compromise act of 1832,” which brought peace to a distracted country, will prove but a rope of sand to an increase of duties. Yea, more, the very next revolution of the political wheel may bring those into power who will not hesitate to direct the duties upon importations, constitutionally imposed only as a means of raising revenue to pay the legitimate expenditures of the Government, to objects of protection."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nRepresentative Campbell, who listed his party during this Congress as a Nullifier (otherwise he was a Jacksonian or Democrat), probably meant the Compromise of 1833, which helped end the nullification crisis provoked by the 1832 tariff bill.\n\n“The clamorous importunities of partial interests would again intrude upon our deliberations, and the American Congress be again converted into an arena for the most bitter contests.” The key was to avoid contracting a national debt. He listed bills the House had passed in the last 2 hours, including:\n\n. . appropriations for an exploring expedition, for the employment of naturalists, geologists, botanists, to examine the animals, soils, and plants of distant lands, subjects with which this Government has as much to do with as with the “vespertilio home,” or man-bat of the moon.\n\n\nThe expedition Representative Campbell cited was the United States South Seas Exploring Expedition of 1838-1842. It consisted of six vessels and 346 men, including scientists and artists, whose goal was to provide navigation charts to whalers, sealers, and China traders. His colleagues would have been familiar with the man-bat of the moon.\n\nThe “Great Moon Hoax” began in New York’s The Sun newspaper in August 1835. According to the hoax, an astronomer had discovered life on the moon, including man-bats."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nTo remove this objection – to make appropriations sufficiently extensive to\nembrace every section of the country having, or claiming to have, objects worthy\nof Governmental patronage, would create a vortex of expenditure that would\nengulf the diamonds of Golconda and the gold of Peru – would require a revenue,\nthe collection of which would produce a wide-spread ruin, and, after exhausting\nthe resources of the country, would be insufficient to accomplish the object."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>139\n>Pro-Southern Democrats sponsored and endorsed the tariff bills in force over the decades prior to Secession. Tariff rates were at a historical low point by Secession, and the regime was extremely loose compared to the rest of the developed world at this time. You're a fucking idiot.\n>You're literally making this up. New York City alone was contributing a majority of the tariff revenue. Next was Boston. THEN you had Lousiana and Charleston bringing up the rear. The South didn't only not pay a majority of the tariffs, they barely paid a minority. No fucking wonder, because the tariff regime was set up by fucking Southerners.\nYou can read Taussig's Tariff History of the United States. They had already paid 80% of the tariff when it was at a low point, but still the dominate source of revenue. Prior to secession, The Morrill tariff was passed by the House which would have increased the average tariff rate from 15% to 37.5%. The South was not willing to be plundered to protect Northern industry.\n>No fucktard, they weren't, because they had set up protective tariffs to favor their own industries. Tariffs cut both ways, remember? Did they cover that for you on fucking facebook or wherever it is you went to school?\nThe tariffs were mainly to protect Republican cronies in Northern steel and manufacturing. The majority of this revenue was going towards corrupt Northern internal improvements.\n\nWhere is your source? That's right. You have none."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\nReferring to but not naming Whig leader Henry Clay, Representative Atherton said the founder of this system of internal improvements and the most distinguished advocate for what he called the American System, “has, long ago, dismissed this argument as unjustifiable and untenable. He had abandoned this position. He has rebuked and repudiated this pretence as having no foundation.” Representative Atherton, to prove his point, quoted from the Senate debate in 1835 on a similar bill for continuation of the Cumberland Road in the western States. Senator Clay had said:\n\nNow he did not concur with the gentleman [Mr. Ewing] that Ohio could, as a matter of strict right, demand of the Government to keep this road in repair, and why so? Because, by the terms of the compact under the operation of which the road was made, there was a restricted and refined fund set apart, in order to accomplish that object; and THAT FUND MEASURED THE OBLIGATION OF THE GOVERNMENT. It had been, however, LONG SINCE EXHAUSTED. There was NO OBLIGATION then on the part of the Government to keep the road in repair. [Emphasis in original.]"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat would happen if we had killed all the confedetares and nazis after the wars?"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\nIt was constructed under the direction of most skillful persons, and they had been\ntold that it would be a national monument, a most magnificent work. But\nCongress had become wearied of it, for they found no end to it. Year after year,\nfor twenty years, appropriations had been made to the Cumberland road, and at\nlength they had come to the conclusion that they had best get rid of this\nextraordinary expenditure. Year after year expenses had been incurred, and it\nwas reported to grow worse and worse."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nDuring 1824, Senator Buren voted nay on a bill permitting Alabama to collect tolls on\ngoods transported on her navigable rivers. During the debate, he pointed out that the\nEnabling Act allowing Alabama to join the union prohibited such tolls. That same year,\nhe also voted against a bill appropriating $500,000 to construct a canal from Albemarle\nSound in North Carolina to the Atlantic Ocean and removing an obstruction from a\nchannel connecting the Albemarle Sound with Pamlico Sound"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\nThe gentleman went from appropriation after appropriation for roads in Arkansas,\nbecause he said they were “roads commenced and not completed.” We\nappropriated the other day, said Mr. K. for roads in Arkansas, and they were\ncalled military roads, because they lead to a temporary garrison, which the\nSecretary of War may abandon at his pleasure. But, continued Mr. K. when we\ntried to get a small appropriation for a military road in Alabama, on which twenty\nthousand dollars have been expended, we could not get it either on the plea of its\nhaving been commenced and not completed, or it being a military road. We were\ntold, said he, that it was altogether unconstitutional; that when the appropriation\nwas made it was rightly done, because the road was in Indian country, but that\nnow the Indian title was extinguished, the State of Alabama must make the road\nherself. He then tried to get the road out of the two per cent. fund belonging to his\nState, but this appropriation of a few thousand was refused on the ground that the\ntwo per cent. fund was to be reserved for making roads leading to the State, and\nthat was within it."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>143\n\nyes and no. reconstruction heavily favored the south, at least in terms of maintaining the status quo, and while people meme about \"muh reparations\", the most effective time to have actually *ATTEMPTED* to integrate blacks into civil society (lol) or relocate blacks back to their homeland would've been immediately after the end of the Civil War. Both of these outcomes are extremely unrealistic and require a large amount of foresight, so what the hell do you do with all of the black people now in the south?\n\nYou end up with a class of ex-slaves with no skills and at the bottom of the social ladder, which means that it's extremely easy for them to turn towards crime and very difficult for them to change their socioeconomic status. It's unfortunate because post-reconstruction pretty much just sealed the fate of the south as a place plagued by the \"free\" black, but also with none of the infrastructure required to actually build a different economy that wasn't based on \"le peculiar institution lole\". The deep south of the US is the most impoverished in modern times. Partly due to the fact that communities there don't really have any industry jobs and it's pretty difficult to consider getting a higher education when you need to support your family instead. Before moralfags start bitching, I do genuinely think slavery as an institution goes against the teachings of Christianity. But, because it formed the backbone of the Southern economy, unless Reconstruction could've somehow managed to replace a primarily estate/slavery-based agricultural economy with an industrial/machinery-based agricultural economy (which is extremely unlikely) blacks would've never been able to move up the social ladder. (There's not even enough opportunities for poor whites to move up the social ladder, so how on earth are we expected to move up poor blacks?)"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nThe new States through which this road passes, are debarred the right to tax a\ngreat portion of the soil within their limits, and thereby are deprived of the\nresources which appertain to the old States. If we were placed in the same\ncondition with the old States, and had an equal standing with them, we would join\nthem heart and hand in excluding all these things from the action of Congress.\nWe would be foremost with the first to confine the action of the General\nGovernment to subjects purely national, and expressly recognized by the\nConstitution. It is the pure and legitimate doctrine to exclude from the halls of\nCongress all matters that can be transacted by the State authorities, and\ncircumscribe the patronage of the President within the legitimate pale of the\nConstitution. I am free to grant and subscribe to all this doctrine; yet the national\nroad, for various reasons which I have, and will present to this House, forms a\nmarked and decided exception to this rule"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nThe new States were “heartily tired of\nour vassalage to the General Government in respect to the public domain.” They were\n“crippled in our operations, deprived of the high and equal stand in the Union with the\nother States,” and the situation was “becoming intolerable” for the new States at the same time “the Government itself is tired of legislating for us in relation to the public\nlands.” The day when the General Government’s “undue influence” over the public\nlands comes to an end “will be hailed as a fortunate epoch in the history of the new\nStates.”"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\nHe observed that the general government had appropriated and expended upwards of\n$30 million in the past year, with all revenue from the sale of public lands in the State\ngoing to the general government, but “not one dollar was appropriated in or for the State\nof Illinois, or in the western country.” He was not complaining that the amount overall\nwas too large in view of the general government’s many responsibilities. “But it seems\nextraordinary that the State of Illinois, or as far as I am informed, none of the western\nStates, received one cent of these appropriations.” It would be “idle and foolish” to\nexpect expenditures in Illinois for unimportant objects:\n\nBut I would ask this House if the national road be not a legitimate object? It is of\nsuch character and importance, that the General Government ought to be bound to\nnotice it. If there be a national improvement in the Union, it stands foremost in\ntheir front ranks. The Cumberland road is, therefore, a fit subject on which to\nequalize the expenditures and disbursements of the public money"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>156\nMaine, Representative Howard pointed out the many harbor,\nlighthouses, and other activities for which Congress had approved appropriations. He\nsaid “it would gratify me to hear from several gentlemen how it is they prove the\nconstitutionality of these works”:\nOne thing, sir, seems a little remarkable, and that is, that local interests seem to\nhave a wonderful effect in neutralizing these constitutional scruples. How is it,\nthen, that these things come about that gentlemen can vote away millions of\ntreasure on light-houses and harbors, and for constitutional reasons not a dollar to\nthe Cumberland road? Is it the salt water that makes it constitutional to make\nharbors?\nReferring to Representative Hubbard’s “arguments with great force in opposition to this\nmeasure,” he asked why it was constitutional for the general government to give his State\nof Alabama “four or five hundred thousand acres of land to make a canal around the\nMuscle shoals?”"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nSenator Young had argued that the Senate had passed a bill relinquishing to Alabama the\nrevenue from the two-percent fund. Senator Clay said this assertion meant “Illinois and\nher co-States in this business must have all they may think proper to ask.” He pointed\nout that the fund had been accumulating for 20 years “and now the bill as passed does not\nentitle her to receive all that has accrued at once, but only in quarterly payments, and as\nshe may expend corresponding sums, derived from other sources, upon the contemplated\nimprovement; and she can only receive the balance as it may accrue.” The State would\nnot receive one penny until the general Treasury had received it:\nHow different with Illinois and other northwestern States! They have not only\nanticipated the receipt of every dollar of the two per cent. fund by appropriations\nbefore it accrued, but the General Government has expended for their benefit\nmillions of dollars beyond the largest amount that ever can possibly accrue . . . ."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nLet Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Michigan first be placed on\nan equality with the other four new States by expending for their benefit as many\nmillion dollars as had been literally poured out of the Treasury on the\nCumberland road; and let your liberality be apportioned among the several States\nin proportion to the amount which each has paid into the Treasury for public lands, and we shall have less cause to complain of injustice in your exercise of\nunauthorized power."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nthe amount appropriated for the road above the\naccumulated 2 percent was $5,513,395.58\n\nNow, if the gentleman means to convey the idea that Mr. Jefferson believed the\nGeneral Government possessed the constitutional power to make roads or canals\nwithin the States, I deny the assertion, and challenge him to the proof. Can the\nSenator from Illinois or any other gentleman show a single sentence in all that\nMr. Jefferson has said or written to warrant the belief that he ever entertained the\nopinion that this Government possessed power to make internal improvements?\nNo, sir, it is impossible, except so far as to agree to expend two per cent. of the\nnet proceeds of the public lands in making roads to the new States, to accelerate\nthe settlement and facilitate the sale of the national domain, as he had stated in a\nformer part of the discussion; and this was a mere incident to the “power to\ndispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or\nother property belonging to the United States.” But, although in this aspect that\ndistinguished Republican had approved of bills making appropriations for the\nCumberland road, and although those bills had anticipated the accruement of the\nfund reserved for that purpose, he had never exceeded its ultimate probable\namount, nor had he ever signed a bill which did not promise reimbursement."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nMr. CALHOUN said that he was thoroughly satisfied that the General\nGovernment was wholly unfit to carry on works of internal improvement, and\nthat in his solicitude to see the termination of the whole system he would vote for\nthe amendment as a substitute for this bill by his friend from Alabama, [Mr.\nClay.] He believed the offer was a liberal one, and ought to be accepted by the\nStates interested. It went beyond the measure of real justice in the spirit of\ncompromise and the hope that it would put an end to this distracting question and\nthe system of which it constitutes a part. It was only in that view he could justify\nhis support of the proposition. Indeed, he believed that the fund was entirely\nexhausted, and that the States interested in the road had no just claim to further\nappropriations or aid from the Government."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nIt was in fact too late to inquire into the true meaning of the compact in reference\nto the fund. Two points were certain. In the first place, that the Government is\nnot bound to expend more than two per cent. on the road, and that the fund had\nbeen exhausted. And in the next place that it had been exhausted by the votes, in\npart, of the members of the States interested in that fund, and at the earnest\nsolicitation of the States which they represent, and against the strenuous\nopposition of a large portion of the members from other parts of the Union."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\nHe pointed out that\naccording to the Treasury Department, the government had spent $18.6 million for\ninternal improvements, an amount he increased to $25 million to include interest. “And\nwhat do you suppose has been the aggregate income of the Government from this\nimmense expenditure, equal to one fourth of the debt of the Revolution?” The full profit\namounted to $173,620, “and that from a single work – the Louisville and Portland canal.”\nThat deficit between expenditure and profit was only one example of “wasteful and\nthoughtless expenditure”:\nIt has been stated in debate, and not contradicted, that it has thus far cost $18,000\nper mile, a sum at least three times as great as a good road of the kind may be\nmade for, and much greater than what a substantial railroad ought to cost."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\nTo illustrate the “wasteful and thoughtless” nature of internal improvements by the\ngeneral government, he pointed out that Georgia had received $17,000, Tennessee\n$27,000, but Kentucky, South Carolina, and Virginia had received nothing:\n\nThe truth is, the expenditures appear to have been governed by importunity and\npolitical influence, with little or no regard to justice or utility. A system so\nconducted must lead to discontent, and be productive, politically, of mischievous\nconsequences. Need we go further than this very instance to prove the truth of\nthis assertion? Can we doubt that there is, in reality, a large portion of this body\ndiscontented with so large an annual draft on the Treasury for a single work as\nlocal in its characters as a thousand others that may be named? Nay, further; can\nwe doubt that there is a great majority of the body of both parties opposed to it"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nWe have, for the last fifteen or twenty years, been wasting the resources of the\nUnion on innumerable objects of internal expenditure – roads, canals, harbors, an\novergrown eleemosynary pension list, never intended to be placed, by the\nConstitution, under the charge of this Government – while we have been grossly\nneglecting the great objects for which the Government was really instituted. It is\nhigh time that this internal bleeding, which has been wasting the strength of the\nGovernment, should cease, and that we should direct our attention and resources\nto objects really intrusted to the Government and for which it is responsible. He\nwas no alarmist; he did not believe that war would grow out of the boundary\nquestion."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\nHe would be prepared to show, on the proper occasion, that it would be in our\npower, by strict economy, and withholding useless, profuse, corrupting, and\nunconstitutional expenditures, to put on the ocean, at no distant period, and\nwithout increase of burden, a force that would give to us the habitual command of\nthe adjacent seas against any force on our coast . . . .\nThe first step is to put a stop to these internal expenditures, at the head of which\nstands that which is the subject of this discussion. Till it is stopped this system\ncannot be arrested; nor can we have any assurance till then that it will not return\non us in its full vigor. Other portions of the Union will not stand by and see a\npart receiving all the benefit of the system, be the pretense what it may, without\nstruggling to participate in its advantages."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nGeorgia had ceded land that became the States of Alabama and Mississippi, in return for\nwhich the State had received a “mere song, sir - $1,250,000, a promise to settle certain\nfraudulent claims against the State, and the more important consideration of a promise to\nextinguish the Indian claim to all lands within the limits of Georgia, abridged as they\nwere by that cession.” The general government had demonstrated bad faith in complying\nwith these promises:\n\nWe have, sir, but just got rid of our Indians; much of our territory is still an\nunimproved, unsettled wilderness; whereas, if this Government had been faithful\nto its compact with Georgia, we should have had a population and improvements\nproportioned to our extensive limits and productive soil."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>166\nSenator Lumpkin said he had in his hand a report from the Treasury on\nexpenditures for internal improvements since 1803, totaling $25 million:\n\nAnd, sir, out of this immense sum what amount would you suppose Georgia has\nreceived, out of $25,000,000, $17,000, applied to the removal of obstructions in\nthe Savannah river. Yes, sir, you have the amount, all told. Now, sir, the new\nState of Indiana, the Senator’s own State, has received considerably upward of\none million of this vast expenditure. Under these circumstances, sir, can that\nSenator expect to stand here unrebuked when he attempts to make comparisons\nbetween Georgia and Indiana in reference to sharing the spoils of the public\nTreasury in a scrambling system of internal improvement?"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nOn December 7, 1841, President Tyler sent the traditional message to Congress. He\nexpected that as of January 1, 1842, the Treasury would have a budget deficit of\n$627,557.90. While the Treasury was stabilizing, the States had problems stemming\nfrom debt incurred primarily for increased investment in internal improvements:\n\nNor can I fail to advert in this connection to the debts which many of the States of\nthe Union have contracted abroad and under which they continue to labor. That\nindebtedness amounts to a sum not less than $200,000,000, and which has been\nretributed to them for the most part in works of internal improvement which are\ndestined to prove of vast importance in ultimately advancing their prosperity and wealth. For the debts thus contracted the States are alone responsible. I can do no\nmore than express the belief that each State will feel itself bound by every\nconsideration of honor as well as of interest to meet its engagements with\npunctuality. The failure, however, of any one State to do so should in no degree\naffect the credit of the rest, and the foreign capitalist will have no just cause to\nexperience alarm as to all other State stocks because any one or more of the States\nmay neglect to provide with punctuality the means of redeeming their\nengagements. Even such States, should there be any, considering the great\nrapidity with which their resources are developing themselves, will not fail to\nhave the means at no very distant day to redeem their obligations to the uttermost\nfarthing; nor will I doubt but that, in view of that honorable conduct which has\nevermore governed the States of the Union and the people of the Union, they will\neach and all resort to every legitimate expedient before they will forego a faithful\ncompliance with their obligations."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>169\nOutgoing President Tyler sent his final annual message to Congress on December 3,\n1844. As usual, he discussed foreign relations, including efforts to secure the addition of\nthe Republic of Texas, formed in 1836 after securing independence in a war with Mexico,\nto the union. The economy was rebounding, as was the general Treasury. The country\nhad been forced to pay for its activities by securing loans and issuing bonds. However,\nthe improved condition of the Treasury meant that “an estimated surplus of upward of\n$7,000,000 over and above the existing appropriations will remain in the Treasury at the\nclose of the fiscal year.” This milestone, he said, demonstrated that “under a wellregulated system of finance the Government has resources within itself which render it\nindependent in time of need, not only of private loans, but also of bank facilities”\n\nThe anticipated surplus prompted him to warn Congress about the need to preserve “a\nsound and healthy condition\""}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\nThe Whig Party turned to its leading light, Henry Clay, as its nominee. Former Senator\nTheodore Frelinghuysen of New Jersey was his running mate. The party’s platform did\nnot mention internal improvements, but did cite “the distribution of the proceeds of the\nsales of the public lands.”\n\nThe Democrat party’s platform retained the essence of the first three tenets of the Harrison/Tyler\nelection, including the statement that “the Constitution does not confer upon the General\nGovernment the power to commence or carry on a general system of internal\nimprovements.”\n\nAlthough the electoral college vote ended up a one-sided 170 to 105, the popular vote\nwas close, with Polk receiving 1,339,494 votes to Clay’s 1,300,004.\n\nPolk, nicknamed “Young Hickory” for his close association with the former\nPresident, explained one of the principles that would guide his administrative policy:\nThe Constitution itself, plainly written as it is, the safeguard of our federative\ncompact, the offspring of concession and compromise, binding together in the\nbonds of peace and union this great and increasing family of free and independent\nStates, will be the chart by which I shall be directed. It will be my first care to\nadminister the Government in the true spirit of that instrument, and to assume no\npowers not expressly granted or clearly implied in its terms."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBefore self-hate was taught in schools, people were proud of their history and ancestors."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>60\n>still aren't fully accepted as \"true American\".\nThe media and school system praises them at every turn and they get the benefit of the doubt whenever they do anything. They get the most welfare from the government, and they get priority access to public education, along with many other things. One of the two major political parties thinks we need to give them billion of dollars for \"reparations\"."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>27\nYou'd be wrong. Jews were mostly Republicans up until the 1920s and only became a majority Democrat bloc during the New Deal era."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>132\n>It's already been pointed out that the North was also farming country and had its significant Democratic base\nFarmers in the North were mainly Republicans back then, though."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Ruef"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>unknown\nForgot the book."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>147\nThe Senate only became majority Republican after Southern states seceded, and it was only then that the Morrill tariff passed. Are you saying the South seceded over a bill they had the capability of blocking?"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>32\nThe US Civil War was a pretty rare instance of these kinds of conflicts in that there was an immediate geographic border established that was respected by both sides, both sides had functional governments and were not claimants for one another's official holdings (ie: jefferson davis did not say he was the legitimate president of the United States and his motivations did not include making the White House his seat of power) and it was generally fought between regular military forces who behaved under the established conduct of the time. There was no piecemeal insurrection where cities far behind the established borders declared for the opposite side nor a protracted time of guerilla warfare or repeated upstarts. When the Confederacy surrendered the country simply reunited and resumed it's existence with the same borders it started with.\n\nThis also places blacks in a difficult situation because they had little agency in the end of their slavery. If the United States as a whole had decided slavery would continue then it would and if they decided as a whole it would end then so too would it end. In the anti-serf revolutions the effected peoples violently overthrew their overlords and claimed their right to freedom through their direct actions. In the case of American blacks it was entirely elective that they be freed and every attempt at a violent slave uprising had been completely demolished. They have nothing to look back on and say \"we did it!\" at any point leading up to the end of slavery. This means they are forced to admit that whites, who enslaved them, also freed them on a whim and that they were effectively powerless in the entire process. This causes no end of resentment to this very day."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would abolishing prisons actually work?\nHow do you treat People who are just naturally inclined towards antisocial behaviour?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nForced exile into african countries is a much better replacement for prisons, yeah"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why don't we just euthanize the most dangerous convicts? Like not people who committed fraud or thieves, but murderers and rapists and the like. What are the problems with that approach?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nPeople who might be innocent, but overall i agree with you, life sentences are cruel, executonsn are much more humane, what's worse dying or spending life in a cage ?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDeport them to Liberia"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo such a thing as natural antisocial behavior. Crime only exist because of whiteness and institutional racism. Abolish whiteness and liberate humanity form white people and there will be no crime."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThat's not that different from thinking da jooz are what caused Germany to go to shit. And what did that yield? ACKing of their leader and a destroyed country."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>antisocial\nBut negroes are \"very\" social\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/LAb2quDmcew"}, {"id": 9, "content": "It wouldn't\n\nspeaking as a leftie, I assume other leftists who say this ASKHUALLY mean that prisons as we know them would be entirely restructured and the infanstructure and funding would go to things like social support networks or temporary housing for the homeless etc instead while there's still \"actual\" prisons for truly deplorable people who are a threat to others, or they just want to replace the latter with asylums too that won't be focused on punitive justice/cruelty.\n\nWhich is effectively prison restructuring, not prison abolition.\n\nIt's the same thing as people who say they want to defund or abolish they police: They don't actually want zero police force or people serving that function (unless they're insane anarchists), they just want to totally restructure it and have most of them replaced by social workers or more traffic people etc to fill the functions police generally filled and instead have totally-not-police for when the actual police would be needed to go after a violent crimminal.\n\nIt's just they either want to sound more radical and activist-y, so they say \"abolish\" instead, and/or the current orthodoxy on the left makes it so people trying to call it what it is get seen as concern trolls/rightoids so nobody wants to break the line on the terminology.\n\nAlso this should probably be on /pol/"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How would abolishing prisons actually work?\nIts not really abolishing. More like getting the system to actually put more efforts into court cases and not just throwing everyone into a prison cell."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Death penalty for heinous crimes like rape and murder\n>White collar crimes are made a civil matter\n>Victimless crimes legalized\n>Drugs decriminalized and/or legalized\n>Bring back mental institutions"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndefine antisocial behavior, there's a difference between playing shit music on your phone speaker at the back of the bus and being the town rapist"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nThis x100\nBut this is criminology/penology"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>Death penalty for heinous crimes like rape and murder\nThat would add a lot of tine and money for court cases."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nThere's nothing wrong with it but the left worship niggers and criminals."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n>Like not people who committed fraud or thieves\nFinancial fraud can ruin industries, lives and lead to million times billions of money lost/stolen. How do you not recognize the danger in that?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThen where do you draw the line? How many millions we're talking about? Do just a couple hundred thousand count?\n\nFor murder or rape it's easier to determine."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThat's the point. Even a couple hundred thousand us pretty huge."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThen draw the line.\n\"Sorry bro but your company lost X + 1 USD so we're going to kill you now\""}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprisons were originally pushed by progressives as places of reform.\n\nprior to the establishment of prisons the primary tools of criminal justice were torture, deportation, and execution."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nCruel and unusual punishments are unconstitutional, sir."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nNot cruel or unusual, we're simply granting them the privilege of being enriched by vibrant diversity and more exciting cultures. After all, travel is the cure for bigotry, right?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nLmao you think the state is gonna waste millions on transporting people to and from a third party state? Lol gtfo."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo answer the question at hand, the idea of abolishing prisons is a complex and contentious topic that has been debated by scholars and activists from a variety of perspectives. The basic premise of the movement to abolish prisons is that the current system of incarceration is unjust and ineffective, and that alternative approaches to justice and rehabilitation are needed.\n\nOne possible approach to abolishing prisons is a focus on restorative justice, which emphasizes repairing the harm caused by criminal behavior rather than punishing the offender. This might involve community-based programs that provide counseling, mediation, and other forms of support to both the victim and the offender, with the goal of restoring relationships and preventing future harm.\n\nAs for the question of how to treat people who are inclined towards antisocial behavior, there are a range of approaches that could be considered. One possibility is to focus on early intervention and prevention, by providing access to mental health resources, counseling, and other forms of support that can help address underlying issues that might contribute to antisocial behavior. Another possibility is to focus on creating alternative paths to success and fulfillment beyond traditional employment or education, through community-based programs that foster creativity, self-expression, and social connection. Ultimately, the best way to address antisocial behavior will depend on a range of factors, including the individual's needs and circumstances, and may require a holistic approach that involves a variety of interventions and support systems."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nChatGPT post"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\n>euthanize\nCongratulations anon, you just invented the death penalty. Which most states have outlawed. You're just asking to bring back executions, which are already pretty euthanasia like in most states that still practice them."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>9\n>It's just they either want to sound more radical and activist-y, so they say \"abolish\" instead\nWell that's their problem. If you can't properly communicate your ideas you don't belong in politics. Also, \"restructure the prison system to be less punitive\" is pretty vague. Maybe the idea has merit or maybe it's completely retarded. I can't say for certain because it is not entirely clear what the idea actually is. There are so many different ways that you could take this approach and some are smarter and better thought out than others."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>If you can't properly communicate your ideas you don't belong in politics.\nWelcome to America politics. You either need to speak in extremes or get drowned out."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The fall of Rome was good for Europe"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminder that Alaric did nothing wrong and Rome only \"fell\" after the Byzantines fucked the whole Italian peninsula apart for centuries. Reminder that when Rome \"fell\" Charlemagne simply picked it back up."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nTruly laughable."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe good thing of Middle-ages is that Europe was cleaned of much of the genetic debris MENAs that Rome massively imported."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect and the endurance of the eastern basileusdom very literally set back eastern europe compared to western europe. If Rome actually managed to not fall europe very likely would still be Qing tier. Rome existing at all was the true dark ages that held back europe until its demise."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 7, "content": "OP has probably read Walter Scheidel, \"Escape from Rome: the failure of empire and the road to prosperity\". But isn't providing any arguments from that book"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nI’ve never read that book (not OP) do you know the arguments? Are they any good?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was he really? Redpill me on this guy."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironic schizoposter who got taken seriously by low IQ nogs"}, {"id": 3, "content": "A con artist who immigrated to America from somewhere in the Middle East and discovered that he could use his religion to make money off of blacks"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal name Wallace Ford. Con man."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Kaiser Wilhelm II - Ethnic German\nCzar Nicholas II - Ethnic German\nKing George V - Ethnic German\nFranz Joseph I - Ethnic German\n\nCan't make this shit up. They were the same ethnicity and even blood (family) related, and yet they blew up Europe to smithereens during WW1 for retarded reasons. Holy shit what is wrong with krauts? Destroying Europe truly is their hobby and they can't help themselves, can they?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "even doe their subjects wanted the war more than them"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWrong"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWilly was well-known as peace Kaiser despite all his blustering. He's kinda like Trump in the sense that he had a desire to be seen as a \"strong man\" - something his desire to emulate warrior kings of Prussia's past likely contributed to - and that his off-script remarks could easily be construed by his enemies as threatening remarks. For all his blustering, when war seemed immenent, he tried to backdown and localize things as much as he could.\n\nThis is true in the event of WW1 where he foolishly thought the Serbian Reply to Austria was acceptable as a diplomatic victory that removed the need for war despite the fact that the reply, in practice, constantly evaded responsibility, put the onus on Vienna to find evidence that the Serbs would find acceptable (something which would have allowed constant quibbling over what construed acceptable evidence) and to investigate the terrorist element that was entrenched in the Serbian government without allowing giving them the means to conduct that investigation with any collaboration on the part of the Serbs.\n\nWhen war became inevitable, he also delayed Von Moltke's advance into Luxembourg and Belgium when it seemed Britain was ready to make an offer of neutrality and to perhaps keep France in check, as well. This ordered delay on gave Von Moltke - the Chief of the General Staff and renowned militarist, a stroke, mind you, and reduced him to the point of a nervous breakdown. It was only after London's offer was revealed to be bullshit that he allowed Von Moltke to do as he wished."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWho was the most retarded/biggest fuck up among the 4 of them? Regarding avoiding the war from happening that is."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">revealing who truly rules the world"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWell, we need to focus on King Edward VII, rather than King George V, if we're going to discuss what led to greater tensions between the Germans and Anglos in addition to laying grounds the condition for further encirclement of Germany.\n\nI'm sympathetic to Austria's reasons for going to war especially since the Serbian reply was the very opposite of acceptable if it you read the actual text and see how evasive they really were to accept responsibility and only offered Austria the onus of conducting an investigation without any Serbian support while also placing the onus on Austria to find evidence acceptable to the Serbs on issues relating to anti-Austrian propaganda, anti-Austrian remarks made by officials, and the terrorist element in the Serbian government. Such a situation would have only led to endless quibbling on behalf of the Serbs as to what constituted acceptable evidence\n\nI tend to believe the roots of WW1 can best be traced to Saint Petersburg. Telegrams send back by the Serbian envoy in Saint Petersburg to Belgrade expressing that the Tsar shocked his court with the extent of his resolve to protect Serbia while also hinting at the secret Russian mobilization led to the Serbian reply being construed in the manner it was. Further Russian declarations of support also led to any last minute concessions from the Serbs having no chance even though the Austrians gave them the opportunity to do so.\n\nNicky was also in favor of embarking on fulfilling Russia's lust for Constantinople, through the war, and made sure to express his territorial desires on Turkey before the Turks had even entered the war. That was seen as the ultimate goal for the Russians even though Russian territorial demands went much farther when one looks at their demands regarding German and Austrian territory in Europe."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt's also worth noting that if Russia didn't abandon their duty to arbitrate on behalf of territorial disputes between Serbia and Bulgaria after the First Balkan War, even though a treaty was signed between the two Balkan states expressing the willingness to concede to Russian mediation, set the situation in the Balkans aflame. The Russians did this as they feared intervening, as they were dutybound to, would just piss off one power against them and thus they were better off doing nothing. Russia's failure to mediate in the Second Balkan War or at least prevent a Romanian (who were then closely affiliated with the Triple Alliance) invasion of Bulgaria led to that very situation coming to pass with Russia losing all influence in Bulgaria which left Serbia their only reliable ally making them more trigger happy when it came to the Austrians wanting to launch a punitive expedition against the Serbs. While the Germans gave the Austrians a promise for support, it should be made clear that Willy, himself, was only in support of a localized Balkan conflict which is what the Austrians would have preferred, as well.\n\nAlthough, we can also blame the Russians for pushing the Balkan League to declare war on the Ottomans (Russia also wanted the Balkan League to serve as a future anti-Austrian bloc thereafter) which led to that major vacuum of power emerging in the region to begin with leading to further tension between expansionist Russia and conservative Austria alongside the tension that emerged between Austria and Serbia, first over the state of Albania."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI very much recommend Sean McMeekin's \"The Russian Origins of the First World War\" for further information on the premise made clear with that title.\n\nI'm quite a fan of his work with \"Stalin's War\" and \"The Berlin-Baghdad Express: The Ottoman Empire and Germany's Bid for World Power,\" being too other books of his I greatly enjoyed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThe allies needed to take constantinople/Tzargrad to keep the russians supplied with weaponry, the Russians pushing the ottoman to germanies side was a political coup, unfortunately not followed up by military victories"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n>>9\nVery good answers. Thanks, I appreciate."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIt's true that breaking Ottoman control over the Dardanelles would prove beneficial in allowing the ease of importing supplies into Russia while allowing the export of their own excess resources\n\nHowever, we can't forget that the Russian lust for Constantinople dates back to Catherine the Great's Greek Project if not earlier.\n\nThe Russians cared more about ensuring they would occupied the city to solidify their future control over it than allowing for the opportunity to take advantage of free access through the Dardanelles as soon as possible That's why the Russians vetoed any Greek involvement in the Dardanelles campaign and saved their own occupation force for after the British and French had already performed the heavy-lifting, all while being cautious in the use of Russia's own naval resources at the same time.\n\nFurthermore, when I speak of his territorial ambitions, I'm talking about his desire to outright turn the Ottoman Empire into a rump state."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nGermans are evil, I’ll agree, but they certainly make shit interesting."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nYou are very much welcome. Over the last few months, I've picked up over a hundred history books (even if I haven't finished all of them) and I'm happy to have the opportunity to spread my findings"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nCzar Nicholas 2 and it isn't even close. Just flip the bird to the treaty and to Serbia and laugh in everyone's face.\n\nGreater war avoided. Spend the next few years continuing to eco up.\n\nOr just wait until your mobilization is completely ready and don't attack early. In fact...don't attack German forces ever and just build up defensive lines and lines of retreat. Then just sit, wait and laugh."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n>>8\n>>12\nlmao so as always its the r*ssians fucking things up\ndoesnt surprise me, those godless maniacs"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nOh, you still have no idea. They called themselves the defenders of the Eastern Christians of the Ottoman Empires but funded Kurdish Bands who raided the selfsame Armenians the Russians also were funding.\n\nWhen the Armenians revolted, the Russians differed and refused to come to their aid until they were squashed.\n\nWhen a British Army was brought to the point of surrendering at Kut, the Russians also had the ability to send a relief force only to differ again and allow for the one of the greatest British military disasters of the early 20th Century.\n\nCouple those instances with their reluctance to aid the Entente at Gallipoli until the French and British finished doing the heavy-lifting, and we see the Russians, again and again, being as opportunist as hell. The fact that they also vetoed potential Greek participation to the detriment of the operation once again shows their priorities.\n\nThe French were also constantly incensed throughout the war at the Russians repeatedly focusing the brunt of their forces against the Austrians instead of the Germans.\n\nThe idea that the Russians fell on the proverbial sword for the sake of saving France is pure bullshit."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>differed\n*dithered\n>differ\n*dither\n\nThe Russians used the leverage they possessed over their allies to the fullest extent."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nI'd also attest to the fact that Russia's secret mobilization, even though Nicky personally seemed to repeatedly change his mind on whether to conduct a limited or full-fledged mobilization, also contributed to the outbreak of war being inevitable. Secret mobilizations don't allow for said mobilization to used as diplomatic means of pressuring opposing states to back down. Rather, secret mobilizations solely allow for the relative state to be in the best position possible for conducting future offensive operations."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, let's blame \"Germans\" for all modern wars. Suure."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\n>Nicky was a crusading chud\nHoly based."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nNot only all modern wars but many older ones too. Fucking germs are like orcs. Only russians are worse. Devil-spawned races those 2."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it because of Christianity? Or all the brown people?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Pol is the other way"}, {"id": 3, "content": "millenary greek tradition of arguing about retarded stuff escalated exponentially"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPol is full of retarded Christcucks spamming hyperborea edits and black cock threads. Nothing in my post indicates I'm from there. Fucking idiot.\n\n>>3\nSomething something decadence I guess"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was Rome, so this question is dumb. Rome had been unstable from the end of the 2nd century and continued that way until the 7th century, then stabilized until the 11th century."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/MFBYrVJNdpU [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Rome had been unstable since the end of the 2nd century\n>That was when the split happened\n\nWhy is my question stupid? Obviously there's a difference between the Roman and Byzantine Empire. Just because they continued calling themselves Romans doesn't mean they were exactly the same. Your pseudo intelligent signaling isn't impressing anyone."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlthough there were far less pagans than in the west Chalcedonian christianity wasn't close to being a majority due to all the heretics so the eastern empire still suffered a bit with the conversion.\n>unstable\nDepends on what you mean OP post Theodosius eastern empire was surprisingly stable until Phocas. Hard to believe Justinian didn't get couped with all the stuff that happened in his tenure.\nByzantine period generally was not as stable as the miracle period of 25 BC to 238 but rarely got as bad as 238 until 324."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>It was Rome\n\nIt wasn't. Fucking gayreek larpers."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>It was Rome\nLmao"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why was the Byzantine Empire so weak and unstable compared to its Roman predecessor?\nnigga hasn't read Roman history past the 2nd century. Byzantium just continued the trend of the Ancient Roman Empire of constantly falling into civil war over bullshit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Blatant racism\n\nOkay, I'll try to be more subtle."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>Split\nThere was no such thing. Get your mind off pop history. Your question is stupid because it presuppose that there was a difference between the \"Roman\" and \"Byzantine\" Empires. There wasn't. It was the same empire. The instability seen during the 5th - 7th centuries is the same instability that started at the end of the 2nd century, and really kicked off during the crisis of the 3rd."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>>5\nThe 4th century was the high point of the Roman empire.\n>>4\n>Nothing in my post indicates I'm from there\ncomplaining about \"le brown people ruining my heckin' epic roman empire\" is /pol/ack behaviour."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>The 4th century was the high point of the Roman empire\nEverything past the bitch boy Octavian is trash. We could probably bring this further backwards to Julius Caesar, but it was still salvageable after him."}, {"id": 17, "content": "How did the Byzantines think of homosexuality?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>Different governments residing in a different capital on the other side of Europe, reigning over different people with a different religion and different laws\n\n>They were the heckin same empires\n\nHow is it that you became so retarded?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Different governments\nNo\n>Different capitals\nThe capital had been moved a few times before Constantine built a new capital. Was the HRE a different state when the capital was in Vienna as opposed to Prague, etc?\n>Different people\nThey reigned over the same people\n\nYou clearly have no clue what you're talking about, hence why you asked the dumb question initially"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou know nothing about medieval history and are an idiot. Nonetheless; Byzantium was a different kind of polity to the classical Roman Empire. It had a much smaller pool of manpower to draw on, much more entrenched local elites and a much more co-ordinated set of outside opponents. Put simply the world got bigger around it. That it survived so long as it did is a marker of the strength of its institutions.\n\nReally, Byzantium was arguable more stable than its predecessor had been - Constantine the Great was the first time any emperor passed the throne to his natural son and then his grandson in the entire history of the empire."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nJulian was not his grandson but Constantine's nephew, your example does show up 50 years later however with Theodosius, Arcadius and then Theodosius II.\n\nThis is also the point that is more or less considered the beginning of \"Byzantium\", which was really the Roman Empire's Greek speaking half with the already moved capital of Constantinople which survived the Western more Latin portion's administration. It was always one empire with two heads of state, and when the Western half fell the imperial regalia was returned to then Emperor Zeno as Odoacer effectively killed the dual administration and instead united the administration under Emperor Zeno whom Odoacer subjected himself to."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Your thoughts?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I hate niggers"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nfpbp\n>Verification not required."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Wrote an essay in college about the king of wessex. Got a c+."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs there any historical evidence for him being gay whatsoever, or did they just completely make it up?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBernard Cornwell said he did it because Aethelstan never married and wore gold jewelry in his hair. He is also obsessed with getting his novels made into TV shows, so I am sure he knows to play the game.\n\nThey are also making his Winter King series about Arthurian Britain like 50% black."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">tfw no medieval anglo-saxon twink bf"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nSo the author made him a fag? Not Netflix?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYes, but the book was written in 2020 after Netflix had already taken over the series. Would not be surprised if they asked if there was a possibility for a gay character."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">niggerflix just put a fag on tv\n>the West has...le fallen\nSeek employment."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nIt just seems so totally random. I've never before even come across a suggestion that Athelstan was gay. I've never even seen a lefty historian try to argue that. Why pick this English king who is relatively unknown to normies and suddenly turn him into a homosexual? Is it some kind of perverse form of anti-English humiliation by turning the founder of the country into a faggot?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nI fucking hate the “Anyone who did something we now see as faggy must have been a fag” mentality. What is it isn’t considered masculine changes depending on the society and time. Fuck, I’m irritated."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nIt's a bit different when they pick a real historical figure and randomly lie that he was homosexual, when there is zero evidence that this was the case.\n\nYou just know a bunch of normalfags are gonna watch this series and suddenly believe the first King of England was unironically a homo."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>Is it some kind of perverse form of anti-English humiliation by turning the founder of the country into a faggot?\nThat is my view of it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nI would not care so much if it was this in a vacuum. When you have a black Cleopatra, Danish kings turned into black women, etc. it is annoying. Just leave shit alone and make a movie about Africa if you want black people on screen."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAgreed. Documentaries and historical fiction shouldn’t be blatantly wrong."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nEgypt is in Africa sweetie"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hindu here. Does anyone have any criticism of Hinduism besides ad hom?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think people here have criticism of anything besides ad hom\n\nBut I can already tell you what this thread will be:\n\n>ad hom and racism\n>blatantly false statements about Hinduism\n>Nazi-era propaganda, invasion myth, etc\n>at least one appearance from the darkwitch schizo"}, {"id": 3, "content": "What do you mean by “criticism”? It is what it is.\nIt is an interpolated religion that is vastly different from the vedic faith, but that is not a criticism or negative point."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere's mine"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>It is an interpolated religion that is vastly different from the vedic faith\nOk so we've got cope #2 right off the bat, that was quick"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHinduism rests on the authority of the Vedas, and the authority of the Vedas rests on their eternity. But because the Vedas describe historical events, they cannot be eternally valid"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This thing that directs our behaviour and defines who we are as people?\n>It must be right, cause the only arguments you have against it attacks who I am as a person."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Westerners never read the books of Hinduism but only know it for metaphysical concepts, yoga, and the aesthetics. Imagine if the only thing you knew about Christianity was Platonic metaphysics, the rosary, and Catholic aesthetics. You'd think it was the greatest shit in the world, but then you'd read about the history of the religion, read some unsavory things in the bible, and learn that most Christians actually suck, and your view would get sullied.\n\nHinduism is the same. You got to imagine there's a lot of crap in their holy books, that Hindu history involves war, persecution, and conquest, and that most Hindus are either fake Hindus or loser fundamentalist. All of the sudden, Hinduism just becomes another religion."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWidow burning is pretty fucked up. Other than that, not really."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni know (pretty much) nothing about hinduism other than something about cows and yoga. i guess worshipping animals is stupid because you should worship the creator of those animals instead"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nLet's see if anyone is familiar with Hindu scripture enough to criticize it.\n>>3\nWikipedia isn't a valid source. What do you mean by vedic religion? Twice borns have always studied the vedas and will continue to do so.\n\n>>6\nI don't think they reference history, but let's say they did. What would make that lessen their eternal authority ?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nBut it’s true."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHindus deserve respect for respecting the one God who created the universe\nbut they still need to poo in the loo"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nI'll be watching this thread too. Since I was a child I read all the epics and recited Shlokas. Lately I've been learning Sanskrit as well, beautiful language.\nPersonally, I'm not a staunch believer in supernatural beings or events. I feel as though Hinduism allows for such a mindset, at least that's what my parents say."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>You got to imagine there's a lot of crap in their holy books, that Hindu history involves war, persecution, and conquest, and that most Hindus are either fake Hindus or loser fundamentalist.\nI personally don't see anything wrong with reading violence ect in the scriptures. Maybe you do. What is my problem is when people pretend it's not there like some other religions so."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell, Rajneesh. Criticism of what in specific?\nOne can point out many things about Hinduism such as the fact it's not very coherent, there are many interpretations and ways of worship, some being rather respectable while others (very fringe ones) literally practice human (sometimes children) sacrifice among other things.\nDo you want me to criticize the theology, what criticism do you want?\nBtw I agree with>>3 it is what it is. And it obviously is a syncretism between Dravidian and Indo-aryan deities. But from what I know (very little) it does resemble vedic religion."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nWell they say \"The Battle of the Ten Kings happened\", obviously this cannot be true before the event happened, so if the book is eternal it preexisted the event and was wrong at some point, meaning that it has no eternal authority"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\nWhy should I not pay reverence to all that deserve it? Why must worship be restricted to the highest God only? That's like if your dad gives you a gift, you thanking God instead of your dad."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>rigveda\nwhy do 4channers jerk their little dicks to this book? Do you guys think it was written by european nordic aryans? literally the least impressive thing to come out of hinduism, other than its old age"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso, I guess I'll say that despite actively promoting the truth of the universe it isn't very universalistic or proselytizing at all. The only place that embraced Hinduism was SEA and they abandoned it the moment Islam started turning up. Also, SEA literally had no other choice than to hindify to be civilized, well there was china but china has never been a soft power civilization."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThe Hindoos are quite fond of the Vedas as well"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Actively promoting\nI meant, actively pretending. Not saying it's fake, but you know if you say it's the truth you'd expect them to be more enthusiastic about their religion. As it stands its literally the India religion."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nworship is one thing and gratitude is one thing. i can be thankful for my father but that wouldn't really change the fact that i worship god and god alone."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nThanks, but no poo makes great fertilizer.\n\n>>14\nSanskrit is indeed a beautiful language Hinduism is not a salvation based theology so you won't be eternally damned for lack of belief\n\n>>16\nYou have a point that Hinduism doesn't appear to be coherent. In the Mahabharata many different characters voice different opinions on what is dharma. It's left up to the reader to decide. As always certain actions produce certain results."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nIt's a conjectured event based on the vedas. So you're going at it backwards.\n\n>>20\nGod is universal, Dharma isn't. There is a different dharma based on your place in the world."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nWhat is worship besides praise, thanks and love? Don't you already do that to your parents?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are worshiping Shem from this idol you posted. Effeminate face, and expression, a bow and Asian haircut with long hair. Yet he isn’t completely Asian nor black. All India ppl are neither completely African nor Asian. So they worshiping a guy that looks like he whitening from faint genes from Japheth albino Nords. But because they fear Jews they give him a bow and they like curved swords. Muscles isn’t going to make him look tough alone. White skin would make him look tough, but they afraid to do it because they threatened goy foods from coming to their country through natural healing of cow poo and peepee on their skin. Showing that they really don’t want to go to heaven. They don’t want whitened skin and hair. And they don’t like albinos except to rescue their genes.\nThe blue skin meme means they are a negative religion not a positive one like Jesus Christ who died for your sins to allow live under grace. Again, the blue skin is a meme to protect and provide spiritual armor for living on earth to fight heavenly forces. It means they are afraid to get hit. They actually mostly have skinny serpent men in their country who pride in fasting for long periods over strength and faith. Ensuring spiritual armor to secure long life is the opposite of faith. And it isn’t truly living either."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nBecause the philosophical truths are available to anyone. That's why Plato has such a similar theology to Hindus. But dharma is specific to groups of people."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nWhat that makes no sense.\nHow can Dharma not be universal?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nSchizopost"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nyou worship the supernatural, my father isnt supernatural (to my knowledge atleast)"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>schizo post"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy dad said it is the Power Rangers of religion which I guess is an ad hom"}, {"id": 34, "content": "Namaste nigger\n\nThoughts on Buddhism?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\nThink about it this way: Human nature is always the same but based on the environment laws are different in each country."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nThat's an axiom not an argument.\n\n>>34\nBuddhism is alright but philosophically flawed."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>11\nBy “vedic religion” we can roughly define it as the religious faith prevalent in northern India from about 2000-1500bce to the rise of Buddhism around 300bce. This can be tracked through the scriptures. The Vedic religion is marked by, well, the Vedic texts, all the way to the upanishads, already representing a transitory period. After the rise of buddhism, we have the puranas and similar texts which make relevant changes to the religion as a whole. The most evident example is the status of Indra, of course."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nSo the Mahabharat and Ramayana would be included in vedic texts as well even by modern dating?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npoo"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nPoo isn't the problem since it's biodegradable. It's plastics and modern chemicals + bad waste management"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>27\nGood point, their cartoonish blue skin freakazoids shows their demonic drug induced visions aren't from heaven but from pale and sickly wormlike diseased demons."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>You're Gods are demons\n>My God isn't"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a god for everything. Which is pretty silly."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nHow different is that from Cathcucklics or Orthodogs having a patron saint for everything"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are Indian languages so diverse? Why couldn’t Indians figure out that they’re saying the same thing?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nlanguages diversify anon. Sanskrit is like Latin, left a bunch of descendants all over northern India."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>How different is that from Cathcucklics or Orthodogs having a patron saint for everything\nThose are just honors. They aren't gods. Just people being honored."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>18\nthere are distinctions between worship, veneration and paying respect"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>We're just venerating them bro you don't get it"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a false religion"}, {"id": 51, "content": "No. I do not have evidence nor logical arguments that prove Hinduism is wrong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do us humans know where the borders of empires were if there are no maps seen of said empires?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*no contemporary maps of empires"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nPeople go by vague descriptions given by writers at the time.\n\nOr alternatively people literally just make the borders up and the erroneous borders get copied so many times that it becomes accepted as factual."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Borders didn’t really exist per se, it was more frontiers. If there was something important in the frontier like a fort or a town we would know what side it belonged to. But it wasn’t like in the modern day where you stepped over an imaginary line and suddenly you were in a new place.\n\nThat being said, sometimes borders did exist in natural formations such such as mountain ranges and rivers."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI might be retarded, but wouldn’t a villages taxes and soldiers either go to one polity or another? Sure, it’s not like there will be some kind of prefect lines, but couldn’t one just play connect the dots if they knew where these settlements were and who they were ruled by?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Anglos such a righteous and honorable race? >Ended slavery\n>They are staunch enemies of tyranny and have saved Europe from tyranny four times (from the Sun King, from Napoleon, from Germany 2x)\n>They have spread democracy and popular rights across the globe.\n>They are the most willing to defend their allies, many of whom aren't even willing to return the favor\nHas there ever been a gooder people in all of history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pic related\n>implying Americans know what a Latvia is"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The name is Bong, James Bong."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"gooder\"\n\nThis is nonsense. Ended slavery after profitting off it for centuries, and did so slowly and by reimbursing slave owners for their lost 'property'. Big man we literally invented concentration camps. Committed horrible violence from Mountjoy's massacres in Ireland and the Pequod Genocide all the way to the tens of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.\n\nWe did not \"spread democracy and popular rights\", we conquered places, stole everything that wasn't nailed down, built enough infrastructure to start stealing everything that was without having to feel too bad, occasionally re-aligned things to suit our morals and didn't mind killing or starving a few tens of thousands of workers along the way.\n\nIt is almost as pathetic as it is dishonest to sit on top of piles of skulls and try to look magnanimous. If you despise slavery, love democracy and human rights, go and fight for them. You'll get no credit attempting to whitewash the past."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtremely based Bongs displaying their superiority over continentaloids again."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou spelled bloodthirsty wrong."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is actually quite interesting that the UK/USA are aligned in foreign policy while Germany/France are aligned. I think this divide will ultimately be resolved, but if it doesn't then it would herald the end of NATO."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>Latavia? What kind of silly name is that? They in NATO? Aw what's it matter anyways, let's go kill some Ruskies."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLOL as an American, I have yet to meet a single person that would have us defend fucking Turkey of all countries. I certainly would only defend the UK, Northern Europe, and Poland. Maybe Greece if it means retaking Constantinople with them. Everyone else can suck a dick.\n>>4\nShut the fuck up you self hating tard. Everyone had slaves back in the day, but Europe and America decided to stop engaging in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade when we found out how the Africans were acquiring the slaves. Then, when YOUR ancestors ended slavery, they went out and patrolled the waters and invaded countries just to end the practice worldwide. Nothing to gain, just wanted to see it end.\n>>6\nSeethe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nWe literally fought a bloody war to end slavery, against our own brothers.\n\nWe showed the most mercy out of any 'conquers' in the history of man and fought tooth and nail to ensure the rights of those 'oppressed' to this day.\n\nThis world needs another Genghis Khan, it's gotten too soft."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There is literally no sane ethical motivation as to why male circumcision is ok but (no form whatsoever of) female isn't."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere isn't even a sane ethical motivation as to why both are okay."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFalse equivalence fallacy, male circumision does not have the same consequences as female circumcision, you're comaring two completely different organs with two different functions, there are next to no negative effects for male circumcision and even some positive ones. But in the case of female circumcision it can make their genitals completely numb and unable to feel sexual pleasure of any kind."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nRemoving the clitoral hood is functionally pretty much equivalent to removing the foreskin. It only makes sense to ban forms of FGM if you allow male circumcision."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's medically valid for treating some conditions but ethically questionable for kids.\n>>3\nDepends on the type - there are four. The worst is outright butchery almost akin to castration. The mildest form removes only the preputium clitoridis."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's child sacrifice and Yahweh like it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>psychology\nBullshit pseudoscience."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYour therapists told you to stop masturbating to pictures of hitler again?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nAmputating a leg is sometimes medically valid but senseless as a standard procedure on newborns"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCircumcise a woman and she no longer has any feeling in her vagina."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n(And that's a good thing.)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt wouldn't make any difference since you can't give pleasure to one in the first place, let alone make one tolerate you."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be unethical but all humans should be asexual and children should be made from frozen eggs and sperm. Also this is chosen rationally in a eugenicist way to breed out weak traits."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Freemasonry is a \"cult\", it's a cult of self improvement and becoming the best possible version of yourself that you can be. And if they're \"satanic\", it's awfully strange that the central focus is teaching moral lessons from the Holy Bible and begin every meeting with a prayer to God. From what I can see, Freemasons are the best men there are."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow does participating in revolutionary movements in 18th century Europe will improve my self?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal. Freemasons are a fraternal organization that strives for self improvement and service to the community."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>teaching moral lessons from the Holy Bible\n>Bans Christianity in France from 1792 to 1804"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n1801*"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFreemasonry is a recruitment agency/training center/factory of Shabbos Goyim who will eventually act as agents of subversion."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Freemasonry\n>Holy Bible"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\n>some guy said a thing about Freemasonry almost 100 years ago\n>this is proof that Freemasonry as a whole is bad"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThat was mostly in the 19th century and it was a sect of freemasons (carbonarians). Their relation with modern freemasonry is a bit complex.\nWhat makes an order freemasonic is the adherence to a set of principles called landmarks. If you follow them, you might achieve recognition. In theory, you can make any rite that follows the landmarks and it will get recognized. In practice, most freemasons follow the ancient and accepted scottish rite or the york rite. The whole rite thing tends to not be relevant, because its choice is up to the individual lodge and the recognition is granted to overarching organizations (national grand oriente, grand lodges, etc).\nThe carbonarians, however, often followed rites that were antagonical to freemasonry, which made them unrecognized. The famous italian liberal leader, Giuseppe Garibaldi, was part of a “memphis rite” pseudofreemasonic lodge that was not recognized and is actively denounced by regular freemasonry to this day."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>some guy\nHow about dozens of them?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>dozen\nYou have 2, now post the other 10"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\n>Listen guys it's super important that all of this remains a secret, alright?\n>So I'm gonna talk about it at a convention in Paris, openly, while people are keeping record and publishing it on a magazine\nWhat did he mean by this?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Freemasons worked as literal snitches on actual good men in the French army.\nRead up on the Affair of the Cards.\n\nThey were getting nationalists, christians and reactionaries forcibly retired, sent to undesirable postings in colonies and the eastern border, denied all and any promotions and were bragging about it to boot.\nLiberals were getting fast-tracked as high as they could even adding a ton of generals.\nThe second they went to war almost all the promoted liberals and freemasons had to be purged due to incompetency during the first month of the war.\n\nThe idea that they're good people is totally counter to history."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nNazis are retards, we know"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI'm not here to praise Nazis, but will of course use the information they gathered.\nThanks to these pictures, now we have proof that Masonic lodges used to display Jewish stars, menorah and other Jewish simbology."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nFunny how all these jews try to take credit for it but never offer any proof.\n>Oy vay goys, it'd be antisemetic to not believe me prima facie!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>I'm not a nazi you guys I just have all these nazi pictures saved on my computer for no reason"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFreemasonry: Today's Satanic Gnosticism\nA lecture by Fr. Peter Heers\nhttps://youtu.be/kUv6jfzRcts [Embed]"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Freemasonry: Today's Satanic Gnosticism\n>A lecture by a Catholic Priest\n\nLmao. Could even be a Jesuit for all I know."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Catholic Priest\nWrong. Fr. Peter Heers is Orthodox and very anti-Catholic."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Orthodox\nMakes little difference to me."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nhttps://youtu.be/ul1OmFub9jY [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nAre you the anon who I was replying to? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I see some Orthodox Christian men taking part in that one world religion UN ritual.\n\nIf your point is \"Freemasonry is the one world religion\", Freemasonry is not a religion at all. They allow you in as long as you believe in God, but they make no comments on the validity of any given religion. Just the same as you being forbidden to talk about politics inside a Masonic lodge."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>Orthodox Christian men taking part in that one world religion UN ritual.\nYes there are some unfortunately, and the conservative, traditional Orthodox consider it to be total heresy and blasphemy. This is why so many Orthodox Christians are unhappy with Patriarch Bartholomew, who has connections with the US Democratic Party, Pope Francis, and also supports the covid \"vaccine\"."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Patriarch Bartholomew, who has connections with the US Democratic Party, Pope Francis, and also supports the covid \"vaccine\".\nYou know what, it's almost like huge monolithic churches like the Orthodox and Catholic churches are corrupt or something."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThere are corrupt people within the church, but that doesn't mean the religion is wrong. It only proves that there are subversive infiltrators. They are funded by a British globalist organization called Fordham."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFreemasons are a cabal of retarded sadists who threaten me for eating cheddar jalapeno cheetos and playing battle brothers. What Masonry actually believes is more like, \"peasants should be killed if they eat spicy food\" or \"violence whose sole purpose is the affirmation of hierarchies is good\" or \"the only reason anyone should be allowed to be attractive is to be a rape-slave of the rich and powerful\" or \"it's important that rich and powerful people should have the best and most desirable things to affirm their dominance and superiority, and the ability to do evil and get away with it is highly desirable, so therefore it's important that the rich and powerful be as evil as possible to affirm their dominance and superiority over their lessers\" or \"food is the most important thing for a human so it's very important that superiors have total control over the food intake of their inferiors, time, amount, quality, etc so that they can withhold or reduce the quality of food as a punishment, and that their inferiors feel insecure in their access to food, and fear starvation\" or \"human sacrifice is a good and important part of affirming dominance hierarchies and creating bonds within communities especially among the elite\" or \"lessers should live in fear of their superiors, even minor or unintentional infractions by a lesser towards their betters should be punished severely\" or \"it's important that undesirable and physically harmful labor continues to exist so that it can be used to punish and stifle those with the potential to succeed on their own merit\" or \"nobody should be allowed to succeed or acquire anything for themselves on their own merit, anything desirable should have to be granted by those in power over them, and nobody outside of existing elite networks should be granted anything desirable unless absolutely necessary\". Freemasons are disgusting liars and they are not virtuous whatsoever."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nAre you the \"god is torturing me\" guy or are you just pretending to be him?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\npastor jim job is also corrupt :)"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nok, and? what are you trying to say?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nThe argument: Big Church = corrupt is retarded.\n\nThe local reformed, bible, non-denom, prot, or whatever you want to call it \"church\" on any local street corner is just as monolithic and corrupt on the micro scale. Reformed pastors groom and abise the same as papists, and they also take dirty money just like bad Orthodox patriarchs. So move along.\n\nSo focus on the dogmatic questions. Unless you want to admit to being a Donatist heretic (which you might be)"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>The argument: Big Church = corrupt is retarded.\nAll churches are corrupt because all human beings are sinners. Stop placing your faith in other people and institutions."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nBody of Christ is not corrupt. But keep coping"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>Body of Christ is not corrupt\nThe problem is you and Catholics both say you are the true church. So did Joseph Smith"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nStill responding with nothing. Orthodox can demonstrate how RCCs are schismatic and how mormons are not even Christian.\n\nBut continue to just blabber on about: \"this group makes X claim!!!\" Okay defend or debunk the claim. But then again you actually believe that Christ's Body is sinful and corrupt, so...."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nProve the Orthodox church is the Body of Christ and not another golem organization"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>10\nReally doubt Theodor Herzel said that, it would go against most of his writings and philosophy. Seems like someone just made shit up after reading on Wikipedia that he was the \"father of Zionism\". Notice the lack of any source"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>Notice the lack of any source\nDid you expect better from /pol/?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>7\nArent all freemasons fags though?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nNo."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nYour use of the term golem leads me to believe that your biggest stumbling block is probably the JQ. So let's say I demonstrated that Orthodoxy was the Holy Church and the continuity of Israel. I imagine you would simply then claim and assume that we are goyim slaves to the Jews.\n\nSo let me cut straight to the point with you: Every Christian \"church\" in the world has bowed to Talmudic Jews and Israel, including the \"based\" independent fundy Baptists who can only trace their tradition back to a reformation encouraged and spurred on by Jewish interests.\n\nThe Vatican and the Roman catholic church even has prayers on good Friday which defend talmudic jews as their master.\n\nThe Orthodox Church is the only Apostolic Church which has an uncorrupted Holy Week hymnographic tradition that calls the pharisee/talmudic Jews \"the murderers of God, a lawless nation\" and much more. All of our Holy Fathers, whether it's St. John Chrysostom in the Greek East, St. Augustine/Ambrose in the Latin West, or Saint Cyril in Africa, called the Talmudic and pharistic Jews that lawless cut off enemies of God.\n\nNo other Church is in continuity with this witness which is from Christ, his Apostles and their disciples (the cloud of witness of the saints). And again, even if you find a little non-denom that understands this, their base theology comes from a reformation that was built and implemented by political, Jewish and geopolitical interests.\n\nEven in our most troublesome and \"liberal\" jurisdiction (the Greeks), every Greek Orthodox Church must sing the pic related verse during Holy Week.\n\nNow you need to do some heavy lifting and start researching. Plenty of resource online to test Orthodox claims which are easily accessible.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/575DbpuxyNY [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/e9AhEn1C-iA [Embed]"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>including the \"based\" independent fundy Baptists\nWhy do you keep assuming things about me that are wrong? I never even told you what \"denomination\" I am"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>every Greek Orthodox Church must sing the pic related verse during Holy Week.\nWhere in the Bible does God tell us to do that though?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nHow may dicks you've sucked?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nI am genuinely uninterested in your denomination. You have my response, start reading and go visit a Divine Liturgy.\n\n>>43\nHebrews 13:17\n\"Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.\"\n\nThe saintly episcopate, hymnographers and ecumenical teachers glorified by God saw it fit, according to the Holy Spirit, to appoint the hymnography of St. John of Damascus, St. Joseph the Hymnographer, etc. to be read during Holy Week. So we obey unlike protestant anarchists who make up guitar liturgies day by day."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nIt's not your business."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Breakfast wasn't invented until the 1920s. Bernays invented bacon and eggs, the only reason you like bacon is because of capitalist indoctrination. You will eat nothing in the morning and be happy."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe this. Doesn't mean people didn't eat bacon or eggs, it probably wasn't specifically a breakfast food"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt was a breakfast food in Anglo culture at least for centuries iirc. It was just seen more of an occasional event, breakfast was more typically oatmeal or some kind of porridge and fruit or baked pastry with a single egg, etc. Small portions of healthy food. The cancerous idea that after industrializing you should eat more meat and fat and sugar all in the same meal was Bernays' doing and it was simply to sell more oranges, pigs, eggs, and etc. It turned a nice pleasurable experience into normalized factory farmed goyslop. Compare the shittiness of average (cheap) American bacon or eggs to higher end alternatives. Marketing is a cancer because were too fucking stupid to understand the our own technology, much less our own depravity and ruthlessness."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWell said"}, {"id": 5, "content": "the other day breakfast was for soiboys\nmake up your minds"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody has ever said this. Nobody even thinks it. Breakfast food as a category exists because it profited factory owners to ensure their workers were fed in the morning without having to 'waste' time cooking and all that sure, but it's perfectly good food - bacon's nice, cereal is much more convenient than porridge.\n\nThe bad thing is that we have no choice but to rush out the door every morning to work after shovelling in whatever we can."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI do eat nothing in the morning, but I aint happy..."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nMakes absolutely no sense. Ever since farming has existed, it would only stand to reason that they load up on food before the sun comes out."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's a pretty interesting fact anon, thanks for posting!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBacon strips fucking suck, I don't know why everyone loves them so much. They're greasy and don't fill you up like a good ham steak will."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Bacon/sausage, egg, toast and hash browns are the ultimate meal no matter what time of day. It's why the breakfast sandwich is the single greatest invention of all time.\n[spoiler] gonna go cook me one now [/spoiler]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWho the fuck has time to cook a ham steak every morning"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you ASK God to be good, He will always help you to improve, it’s that simple, therefore there is no excuse"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Learn English properly before posting."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Atheists do not want to be good. They want to wallow in their own Earthly feces like swine."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI want to cut off my balls for the kingdom"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYou're literally posting pictures of men smeared with shit on the internet for several hours every single day."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. So long as that is Jesus Christ and that he already came in the flesh."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis whole world literally exists because God wants to rape, murder, abuse and dominate people. God is not good he's the source of all evil and the reason why people behave evilly. He believes evil is necessary for him to be the sole-enjoyer of reality because he enjoys doing evil things to people and abusing them whereas he abuses me if I even think about things he considers \"evil\" like being attracted to women with dark hair, or eating cheesebugrers/corn chips, or going to college, or being attractive, or anything involving the ocean or maritime settings, or anything involving anything beautiful in nature, or wearing nice clothes, or having a nice house, etc. I get abused for literal private thoughts and fantasies in my brain that I don't share with anyone because he's a retarded sadist who doesn't value free will at all because freedom of the mind is the most absolutely basic freedom that is a prerequisite for having any other kind of freedom. My mind gets violated every second of every day and God abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens me if I think about literally anything he considers desirable including things as petty as plain corn chips, women with hair colors darker than blonde or red, or the solid color blue. I am an eternal victim because God forces me to reincarnate eternally as the frame of reference and sole-sufferer of reality, the only persistently real person in reality who God dominates and abuses eternally through his temporarily manifested bodies that aren't constrained by the same material limitations as me, all of them violating my mind, sharing the same mind with each other, united in opposition to me, capable of appearing or disappearing at will, not requiring sleep, not having to react to physical stimuli, bodies ability to function not tied to their physical health/anatomy, not affected by harmful stimuli, etc."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was so \"great\" about him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why was he so unready?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Don Pelayo was based."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn theory that he started the line of kings who would go on to unify England, managed to avoid being conquered by the Vikings and patronised scholarship/the church, which makes you look pretty good.\n\n>>2\nHe was really more just fantastically unlucky and a bad judge of character. He nearly managed to be the only monarch of his time to beat the Vikings properly by building a solid tax system to fund a navy, but it got stolen out from under him at the last second so he failed and goes down in history as an idiot."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nhe wasn't. \"unraed\" means \"poorly-councelled,\" which is actually a swipe at the witan, not him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was his fucking problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe realized the Holy Roman Emperor was not Holy or Roman or Emperor\nHe realized he was Holy Roman Emperor all along"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople like to make jokes and treat slavery as if it were nothing, or as if it wasn't actually that bad. John Brown looks out at us as one person who recognised the obvious horror of what was in front of him. Slavery was one of the worst evils ever committed by man against man, and it remains so - you cannot meaningfully claim to be a moral or decent person if the idea of someone whipped, chained and treated as property - a thinking, living person - does not horrify you. Every slaver to ever live is burning in hell, and rightly, and the apologists know it, however much they refuse to accept the obvious truth."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Every slaver to ever live is burning in hell\nThe bible condones slavery, retard."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Every slaver is in place I have no proof exists"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Robespierre guillotine so many people if he was against capital punishment?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Terror is a complex thing. Guillotining started before Robespierre took centre-stage, but once he did his justification was largely that these people were enemies of the revolution - that they needed to be purged so the natural goodness of the people could be released. Much of the death in the terror was visited on those cities and regions that rebelled against Parisian control - especially Lyon and the Vendee, and here people were executed to suppress further revolt and punish them for resisting the state."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">I pronounce this fatal truth: Louis must die so that the nation may live.\n\nRobespierre actually saved many people from the guillotine during the Revolution. He even kept Danton alive for a long time until he got involved in a stock market fraud and Desmoullins acted like an idiot in calling for a purge on the Hebertists from the Committee of Public Safety"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was embodiment of revolution, he ahd and expressed good intentions. But changing the French society according to enlightenment ideas was impossible without taking extreme measures because monarchy was a central tenet of many associations therefore 1792 massacre and Execution of Louis in 1793 started an unstoppable cycle of killings. At one point, it became a political tool between power hungry autocrats (deputees) as seen in deaths of Jean-Paul Marat and Danton. Robespierre also believed he is right and starting his own religion at one point proves it. So, he was part of a bandwagon and tried to take control of this bandwagon of executions, failed and lost his head."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Louis must die so that the nation may live.\nthats the point i dont understand, in what way killing of royal family and people associated with royal family was necessary and saved people from guillotine? I just see this as Robespierre trying to shape nation according to his own ideals."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "WE WUZ EXPLORERS AND SHIT"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Disneyland is far more real than Vinland ever was"}, {"id": 3, "content": "There were artifacts there regardless of the fact that that map was bullshit"}, {"id": 4, "content": "yet again aryans mindbreaking browncels"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nthat map is irrelevant. there's ample evidence of ironworking for the production of nails to repair ships all over canada. if they could make it to greenland, why is it so hard to believe they made it to n. amer. ?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">I knew about bitcoin in 2009 therefore I should be given credit for it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI told people to buy dogecoin a year before Elon tweeted about it, no one listened."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBecause its retarded meme coin casino speculation"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How long would Rome last in a war against the US?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven if the two nations attempted to reconcile and avoid the hostilities this scenario demands, America would inevitably attack Rome with the justification of chattel slavery - which the Romans would be unwilling to abolish.\nThey would attempt to surrender within ~3 days of the assault. By that time, America would have captured Rome itself and would be moving towards other major cities. The awe-inspiring power of modern armaments would simply scare the Romans into surrender. A single American vessel would obliterate the entire Roman navy, for example. America would gratefully accept their surrender. This would conclude the actual war. Some minor resistance may occur in the countryside, but they have no real means to resist. They literally will not know how guns work, so."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFucking Afghanistan would push Rome's shit in, let alone the U.S"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI think you need certain assets to pacify Rome, like at least 200k soldiers, some serious hardware, and perhaps a navy. Afghanistan might not have enough bullets for all the soldiers that Rome can throw at it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia and China would give Rome modern Equipment and then Roman martial culture would thoroughly BTFO the Amerisharts back across the atlantic. Has America ever won a war in which they did not have overwhelming numerical and technoligical advantages? They can't even beat Vietnam, North Korea or Afghanistan KEK.\n\n\nThe Romans were brave men. Can you say the same for Jamal and Hernandez?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome would win. The Romans have large rectangular shields which would probably block the bullets and Even if the shield failed, their body armor would absorb most of the blow meaning bullets are mainly useless. I don't seem a way the Romans can lose unless nukes are used."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAverage troonmerican ties his noose in the tank and -ACKs and the basedboys open the hatch to go shake hands with their brown ancestors just to get stabbed and do the shakespeare quote in their last seconds. Romans hijack the empty tanks and win."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>would a state that didn't even have any gunpowder weapon be able to beat a 21st century superpower\neven if other states sent them equipment they would lose in a week at most since you also need to teach them how to operate said equipment even if its extremely basic"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on how you define a victory. If they just need to convince the emperor to surrender then it would be over in less than a day. If they need to destroy the entire Roman military it would be more like a couple of weeks since it's a large territory and the US wouldn't have any nearby air bases from which to launch strikes, besides carriers. If Rome categorically refuses to surrender and you want the US to go village by village establishing control, then maybe a year since it's a large territory with relatively poor infrastructure."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThis is the most fucking retard post I ever seen. Roma would flat-out win."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Kladuis! Look! some sort of grey flying chariot!\n>BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObviously if it's modern US they would win, but could the Romans reverse-engineer Antebellum-era technology and have a chance to at least go down fighting?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nprobably not since it would be such a massive tech leap that it would go over the head of many of their most talented minds, not helped by the fact trying to disburst that info while in collapse mode would be next to impossible, something like this would at most take a month or two, imagine trying to learn how to make a canon using shit you never even knew worked together to make a ball of metal go fast within that time frame"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Ok let's even the playing field a bit. What about the Romans of the 800s when they had Greek fire? Obviously they'd still lose but they might be able to inflict some damage."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>>13\nThe only way would be if America somehow got distracted for a few months and a significant portion of their military defected to the Romans to catch them up with everything"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably far longer than it had any business being."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\neven then I doubt it simply because they don't really have the infrastructure to maintain the vast majority of equipment they get"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Other than using it as a ruse to restrain others, why not moral nihilism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause it is legal to kill moral nihilists as every moral nihilist consents to being killled automatically"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>He needs permission for daddy state to kill someone\nYour basedpowered muscles wouldn't even be able to lift a weapon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">DNA\nMutations can't add new genetic information. They can only delete or rearrange existing DNA. This allows for limited genetic variety and natural selection, but selection only selects from existing genes. The lie is when you claim this same biological process, if just given enough time, can turn a single-celled organism into all life on Earth, which is not possible without adding new information.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/jyATE9StbK8 [Embed]\n\n>Origin of life\nThere's no known way to turn non-living material into life, it's never been done before even in a lab. The belief that dust/water just randomly formed into functional DNA/proteins etc. capable of rerproducing itself is absurd.\n\n>Origin of sexual reproduction\nThere is no known way asexual creatures could develop sexual reproduction through mutation. Any such benefits (or the obvious -50% efficiency) are irrelevant. It's not possible.\n\nThis is called irreducible complexity, one part is useless without the other part(s).\n\n>Missing links\nThere is not a SINGLE transitionary fossil series. We find fossils of different animals on top of each other with no transitions between them.\n\nThere is some speculated, but none show transitions.\n\n>Horseshoe crabs claimed to be the same for 400 million years\nThey claim you were a fish 400 million years ago.\n\n\"They're just perfect\" is not a legitimate answer to how an animal could remain unaffected by evolutionary force for 400 million years while others went through extreme changes."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidnt Read; Not Converting"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Ah sweet, a schizophrenic thread. I'll get dinner ready"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mutations can't add new genetic information.\nLiterally wrong in the first sentence, lol."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mutations can't add new genetic information.\nStopped reading there. Yes they can."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually, you can have other DNA mutations where DNA gets duplicated. You could imagine how a gene could be erroneously duplicated but might not be harmful. Indeed, the duplicate might have no effect at all. That duplicate gene could then be modified further by the mutations you described previously.\n>There's no known way to turn non-living material into life, it's never been done before even in a lab. The belief that dust/water just randomly formed into functional DNA/proteins etc. capable of rerproducing itself is absurd.\nPerhaps, but we've only just begun to try and we've made strides in doing so. I can describe the experiments in detail if you'd like, but we think a lot of stuff like RNA and liposomes can form spontaneously from the correct precursors at the right temperature (no \"flash of lightning\" or whatever nonsense needed) and then form the basis for biological life.\nYes, it has not been done yet. It is an incredibly difficult task to replicate what we suspect to be billions of years of evolution. Please have some patience. Surely the progress being made actively in the field is a testament that my request for patience is in good faith.\n>There is no known way asexual creatures could develop sexual reproduction through mutation. Any such benefits (or the obvious -50% efficiency) are irrelevant. It's not possible.\nActually the evolution of sexual dimorphism of a sort has evolved uniquely many times across a wide array of creatures. The simple definition is just that one sex produces many, low investment gametes (\"sperm\") and the other has few, high investment ones (\"eggs\").\nThis breakdown is beneficial in selecting for beneficial genes. Bad genes can be \"filtered out\" with men while all women can reproduce, allowing just as many children to exist while filtering.\n>There is not a SINGLE transitionary fossil series.\nWhatever bro. This shit is goalposting. We have some transition fossils already and are finding more every day."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Man, back then I thought that the 4 horsemen of the new atheism movement were overreacting and just being tribalistic and whatnot, but now I understand their frustration.\n\nI would've too just resorted to calling every single religious person I met a fucking idiot in their face without even knowing anything about them."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvolution is absolutely real, and it is irrefutable proof of intelligent design all the same."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Answers in Genesis\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Remember the year 2006?\n\nGood times"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>I would've too just resorted to calling every single religious person I met a fucking idiot in their face without even knowing anything about them"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>Please have some patience\nthat's the problem with atheists. they live by faith"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is this phenomenon and why do people do it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "no one knows how to actually make an omelette, they just think one giant piece of scrambled egg = omelette"}, {"id": 3, "content": "imagine having an entire board dedicated to a insignificant subject and still shitting up other boards with it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nfurthermore, you don't flip an omelette, you fold it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nYou scramble the egg for the omelette before pouring it onto the pan, my culinarily challenged friend."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\ni bet you put cheese in the raw egg, don't call me challenged fren"}, {"id": 7, "content": "i'd scramble her eggs"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNah I can't stand melted cheese. I make my omelettes with mushrooms, basil and lots of pepper."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I still can't believe a whole philisophical movement was killed by a hat"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Which one? The one that’s undeniably expanding in the west?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>philosophical movement\nYou mean lack-of-philosophy movement?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen I was a kid it was actually socially taboo to not be a Christian in America. Now it would be genuinely strange and isolating to be a Christian unless you live in the poorest backwoods superstitious peasant shitholes.\n\nEven if people don’t explicitly identify as atheists these days in great numbers, their targeting of Christianity for demoralization and deconversion was an incredible historical success. It is not holding dominance over America anymore and a dramatic shift began with the atheist movement in the late 00’s and early 2010’s. The decline of Christianity began accelerating.\n\nIf you seriously look at America now and think it’s as Christian as it was in the early 2000’s you are factually wrong by the numbers and likely should get a CT scan.\n\nThey did their job, now even if we’re not atheist we sure as fuck aren’t Christian, and that’s all that matters."}, {"id": 5, "content": "*social media killed atheism\nas soon as people realized how insufferable atheists were to talk to (like how all they talk about is their atheism and how everything relates to atheism)\n\nso really, atheists killed atheism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm intelligent because my ancestors were dumb\n>philosophical movement"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI know. White supremacy is so fucking cucked lel."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nJust because a bunch of toothless evangelicals from the south were given political power under Bush, that doesn't mean America is a \"CRIZCHIM NAYSHUN\", in the words of those inbred retards."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was wondering what the difference is between Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Christianity? At the end of the day I believe they’re both flavors of heretical Jewish Mysticism, but want to know the difference between the two. The only thing I know about them is that Oriental rejects the Council of Chalcedon while the Eastern rite doesn’t."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does anyone else find it odd that Germans and Nazis are shown much more sympathetically in films from the 1950's than in modern films? For example, pic related, which was one of the most popular WWII films of its era - one of the heroes of the story is a Nazi spy.\n\nWhy does it seem that people closer in time to the war itself had more sympathetic and complex views about Germany than the caricatures offered today?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause there was a push to rehabilitate nazis to make re-arming the wehrmacht palatable to the public?\n\n>clean wehrmacht\n>dindu nuffin\n>only SS and Hitler were bad"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. I cannot stand the modern trend of treating long defeated and dead armies like scapegoats. The people who participate in such antics are subhuman without exception."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust looking it up, that's a British war film set in North Africa, and the British had that whole thing about the war there being more of a fair-play / proper sport thing. I wonder if that played into it.\n\n>>1 (OP)\n>Why does it seem that people closer in time to the war itself had more sympathetic and complex views about Germany than the caricatures offered today?\nThere seems to be complexity today? Downfall, obviously, and while it definitely doesn't make Hitler look good, it's not a movie about Hitler that could've been made in the past since it does depict him as human. There's also Valkyrie... which okay it's a plot-to-kill-Hitler movie but it depicts von Stauffenberg as honorable. Hanz Landa is a real villain but Tarantino wrote him as charming, intelligent and sophisticated -- rather than the usual stereotype of a high-ranking officer barking orders -- which leads the Basterds to underestimate him.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/YUi13NeQOd0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Also thinking of the brave German soldier in the \"Bear Jew\" scene:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/a3uqv0eP7Tg [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Toughest jew they could find is a 6ft lanklet"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nTarantino intended to make that German character look pathetic though."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did he really thought they were building a rice cooker?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Especially when it comes to Islam? At least Christians have the schizos that burn Qurans right in front of Muslims faces. The leader of the modern atheist movement is so pathetic that he can't even condemn the attack on Rushdie."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>leader of the modern atheist movement\nlol. Maybe 20 years ago. All of the New Atheist figures are washed out by now."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDawkins has attacked Islam numerous times. Maybe you're just too young to remember that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe need another 9/11"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nLook how old those tweets are even just by the old interface."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAsk Mossad"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nHe's 82 years old now, I doubt he gives a shit anymore. He tried numerous times to warn people about Islam and nobody listened. It's not his fault, it's the fault of the progressive left for capitulating to Muslims."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would you risk your life for intangible things like beliefs, ideas, etc. if you don't believe in the afterlife?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "You've got it all wrong, he does not fear Muslims, plenty of journalists criticize Islamic extremism and violence and the Salman Rushdie thing, many Muslims do.\n\nRather he has made a career supporting the extreme far-left, he got the right connections, he is part of their network and they in turn helped him gain publicity for his books and earn millions on lecture tours. He is not going to destroy his whole reputation by criticizing Islam. His criticism is reserved for Christianity only, which is viewed as being white privileged patriarchal et cetera.."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Rather he has made a career supporting the extreme far-left, he got the right connections, he is part of their network and they in turn helped him gain publicity for his books and earn millions on lecture tours. He is not going to destroy his whole reputation by criticizing Islam. His criticism is reserved for Christianity only, which is viewed as being white privileged patriarchal et cetera..\nAre you retarded?\nSee the pic in >>3\nHe has criticised both the extreme left and Islam COUNTLESS times"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>atheists are useful idiots/flesh automata/golems for anti-Christian Muslims and Jews\nImagine my shock"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n\nAtheists are only agitated only by Christianity."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">Christians rib atheists for not criticizing Muslims or sjws\n>one of their favorite targets is a guy known for doing both for years\nI will never get over how little sense Christians make when they talk. Always surprising to see the ideas of another conscious being just never align with reality"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYou clearly have not actually read anything Dawkins has wrote, or even watched an interview of his for more than 5 minutes."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>conscious\nThat's too humanizing for them."}, {"id": 16, "content": "I don’t understand this. I’m no fan of Dawkins, but as others have pointed out, he has been more than willing to criticize Islam in the past so why is he cucking so hard on this specific issue? Makes me think there’s something more going on that we’re not aware of…"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nmost christian larpers are retards that think they are smart which is why they say the dumbest shit imaginable with full confidence, and why they became extremely agitated when you start picking apart their arguments"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYeah he was probably threatened by some extremists or something. Happens all the time."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\nYou're delusional."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI watched that interview and don't remember him shutting down. Dawkins has debated mudslimes to their face. One of my favorites is when he kept asking a squirming, evasive mudslime on national TV what the penalty for apostasy is under Islam."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nI hate Jews more than anyone on this board"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lel he is le spineless even though he's made a whole career refuting religion\nwhatever you think of as the \"atheist movement\" has died with the woke take over.\n\nyou can only take shit from muslims or bleeding heart retards, not both at the same time.\n\n>>7\n>I doubt he gives a shit anymore.\ni bet he even prefers muslims over bleeding heart imbeciles. it is the most no brain shit ever to just not do anything to stop it. many SJW types are actually ex-christian lunatics (that's the case with literally any anti-anti-sjw channel like \"Cult of Dusty\" and many others). you really don't need to think about siding with literally anyone over those retarded pieces of shit pretending to parrot your views at all."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Dawkins is a complete retard this is known"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\nbut anon, I'm an atheist because I think Judaism (which I was raised in) is morally repulsive, and its descendant religions keep most of the bad parts"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Al-Andalus produced many notable mathematicians and intellectuals\nHowever, Christian Spain did not have any notable scholars.\nBecause?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Christianity doesn't encourage learning. Most of them couldn't even read the Bible, let alone recite any Biblical passage longer than one or two sentences."}, {"id": 3, "content": "ran out of ancient greeks to ripoff ig"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenetics"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had some in the Renaissance like all of western Europe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo we know what ethnicity Averroes was? Was he Arab? Berber? Visigoth? A mix of all three?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhy is the English article on the Spanish Renaissance so pitiful?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAverroism was shit\nt. Akbarist-avicennist"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christian Spain did not have any notable scholars\nIn today's episode of \"I don't know them, thereforefore they don't exist\":"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIdk, I feel like the Anglo world neglects that period. Partly because Anglo conquest wasn't as kino aside from like the old west, partly because it was ultimately inconsequential compared to Anglo-American history. But I really like this period of Spanish history, that's how I knew of any as an English speaker."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nProbably old stock iberian"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renacimiento_espa%C3%B1ol#Ciencia_y_t%C3%A9cnica\nYou're better off putting this thru Google Translate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWe can trace his lineage back 4 generations, all arab"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBy \"Arab\" do you mean his lineage can be traced back to actual Arab lands, or do you just mean they had Arab names? Because the latter doesn't really signify anything."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nAhmad ibn ahmad ibn ahmad ibn ahmad? Pure nordic celtiberian of course"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nThanks anon"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAndalusians were Semites whereas Iberians are IEcized Basques, they are two separate races."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nVisigothic Iberians who converted to Islam adopted Arab names so yes, it's entirely possible. A Muslim Iberian wouldn't have been walking around with names like Theodoric or Alaric.\n\nWhat seems more likely though is that he would have been of mixed Arab + Iberian heritage."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nAnd you have incentive to believe this very unlikely fringe theory why"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\napart from King Alfonso (who standardised what's now the Spanish language) or the Visigoths who did that law code or Bartolomé de las Casas or Bishop Landa"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nHow exactly is this a \"fringe theory\"? Do you think no white people converted to Islam during the Muslim rule of Spain? You think Al-Andalus was some kind of Arab ethnostate with no Iberian participation? It's well documented that the Arab upper class frequently intermingled with native Iberian mistresses."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nJust out of curiosity, do you know if they switches to Germanic names as the reconquest progressed? I noticed that many Iberian surnames are Germanic in origin after some googling. Didn't expect that desu."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nYea right, 4 generations in; anyways, was el cid arab then? Is the current pope amerindian?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nVisigoth law had some surprising legs on it. It was the standard for many centuries even through Islamic occupation."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nAre you autistic? Do you not understand the idea that people can have multiple ethnic backgrounds?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nyes or no"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIt's possible El Cid could have had Arab ancestors, yes. And Pope Francis definitely has some level of Native American blood."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nRight, yet they monoculturally partake in a single identity"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>Is the current pope amerindian?\nItalian Argentine"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>nd Pope Francis definitely has some level of Native American blood.\naren't both of his parents italian?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>Pope Francis definitely has some level of Native American blood.\n<He was the eldest of five children of Mario José Bergoglio (1908–1959) and Regina María Sívori (1911–1981). Mario Bergoglio was an Italian immigrant accountant born in Portacomaro (Province of Asti) in Italy's Piedmont region. Regina Sívori was a housewife born in Buenos Aires to a family of northern Italian (Piedmontese-Genoese) origin."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\n>Christianity doesn't encourage learning.\nChristian communion has been taken on the surface of the Moon, anon."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\n>Is the current pope amerindian\nArguably. Argentines are just as mestizo as the rest of Latin America and I'm tired of self hating Hispanics claiming otherwise."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead the Myth of the Andalusian Paradise."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>um acshually alandalus wasn't le good for 800 years, it was only le good for a hundred!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nThis. von Braun was a devout Christian."}, {"id": 37, "content": "St. Isidore of Seville was an very learned man."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>15\n>Alejandro Ricardo Velasquez Gomez\nPure Castillian Spanish of course"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nAre you comparing al andalus to the conquistadors?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInvite the mooooslims in . Conquered the entire region in 5 years. What a bunch of retards lol, lmao even."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nThat wasn't the book's thesis, whatsoever."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\n>Christianity doesn't encourage learning.\nLegit one of the most retarded posts on this board, And it's saying something.\nCongratulations."}, {"id": 43, "content": "they made use of greek texts and knowledge thoughever\nbesides, Spain was more concerned with exploration and trade"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christian Spain did not have any notable scholars.\n\npaulus orosius and isidore of seville"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntoo busy doing counter reformation things and conquering an entire continent and becoming the premier western world power"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>10\n>neglects that period\nLike Austrian/HRE proud historic part?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHypatia."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>40\nT'was a very gothic moment indeed."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nGang war.\n>>1 (OP)\nToo busy conquering and fighting."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>49\nThey literally had the age of exploration, the school of Salamanca, the countereformation and the baroque literature golden age."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>35\nit was shit since the start, they spent most of the visigothic treasure on stupid palaces and were then kicked out. The muslims underperformed hard in iberia, the few notable intellectuals were far behind the ones spain would have after the reconquista"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does genetics affect intelligence?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenes are not real"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Genetics is not humanities?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Am I the only one who thinks its a little weird that out of the 2200 people on board the Titanic that not one of them took a photograph during the sinking? Like there are so many photos of the ship before its voyage but literally not one photograph of the actual sinking itself."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Titanic sank in 1912. Handheld cameras had just been invented, and you sure as hell are not going to get a good picture with one at night, at a safe distance in a packed life-boat. And if you did, how is that film going to survive potential water damage long enough for you to find a place to develop it on land?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYeah. It must be fake."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, you are the only one. Photography was still very primitive. Owning a portable camera would have been a real novelty that costs a lot of money. Even if someone on board were to have a camera, it was pitch black that night, which would've made any photos come out shit.\n\nAnd on top of all this, the passengers were more concerned with staying alive, numbnuts."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOP will just read this and say \"Nah that doesn't make any sense. It was clearly made up\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nUntil recently, there was very little video footage or videos of anything.\nThe war in Ukraine had more hours of combat footage that all of WW2"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI'm not OP (I just sometimes give him handjobs) but Titanic notoriously was a maiden voyage full of people who had that money, and a taste for novelty and fame. Absolutely they had photographic equipment on board."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKnow this is a bait thread but its not like in movies where its night but you can see everything, it was a moonless night once the ships lights went off it was pitch dark. We don't even know if the ship broke up above or below water"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThere was one passenger - Bernie Palmer. She took pictures of the iceberg and some survivors the morning after. There very well might have been another camera or two on board, but they're at the bottom of the ocean right now."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople were primarily concerned with getting OFF the sinking ship rather than document it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm hoping you're just a retard who happened to wonder into this board instead of serious, but Titanic sank during a new moon and handheld cameras were highly primitive still. If someone were to take a picture of her while she was sinking (and before the power went out), this is pretty much the absolute best they'd get from the POV of a life boat. You'd be more likely to get absolutely nothing from this or even a blurry mess"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWoah, so the view wasn't like this from the life boats??"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBro there's an entire movie!!"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nEven if those richfags each owned a camera, that's still a huge leap of faith to assume any survived the sinking and didn't just drift off into the sea."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nVirtually no photographs taken during the voyage survived the sinking. The only ones that did were taken by Francis Browne, who was on a short vacation and disembarked the ship at Queenstown.\n\n>>12\n\nI know you're shitposting but I'll give a serious answer. Most films make use of artificial lighting to allow audiences to see more clearly in the dark. For example, Black Hawk Down. All of the nighttime scenes have a hazy and sickly green backdrop to them. That is entirely artificial, every account of the Battle of Mogadishu makes it clear that poor visibility at night was an extreme problem because virtually no one had bothered to bring night vision. 160th SOAR's AH-6s had to continue to flying sorties despite the fact most of them were already severely sleep deprived because they were the only unit in US Army Aviation that was specifically trained for flying at night.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovRhLzL_ZHQ [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The other day somebody in here claimed Switzerland used to be a poor hillbilly shithole like Afghanistan/the Caucasus/etc before WW1. How true is that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit really wants to become apart of germany"}, {"id": 3, "content": "elements of truth.\nIt's not an especially fertile country or on major trade routes, it's mountainous, it's landlocked, all that stuff mattered in pre-modern times. It didn't become a major exporter of mercs because of war being fun.\nOTOH, driving out the lords meant your Swiss free farmer was a lot less exploited than the serfs in neighboring countries. And the political system involved a lot less raiding one's neighbor/civil war than in Afghanistan or the Caucasus, if anything aggression was redirected outward (either through said mercs or through the confederacy itself expanding quite a bit)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "BRUH! LOOK AT DIS DUDE! *very weirds laughter?* WAIT TIL YOU SEES THE OOOH HU HU HU NU NU NU NU"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if the other lady was the real mother but she was just homicidal and wanted the kid dead?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen she didn't deserve the kid"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Average Gregorian Chant Fan vs Average Sarum Chant Enjoyer"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agql0Q1dYAk [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Servetus deserved it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">If you try to please everyone you please no one\nIs there any better example of this concept than Manichaeism? They got persecuted for being too Christian, not being Christian, blaspheming Zoroaster, and later for not being Muslim. It’s almost sad how literally no one, save one short-lived khaganate in modern Xinjiang, wanted these guys around."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKill dualists. Behead dualists. Roundhouse kick a dualist into the concrete. Slam dunk a dualist baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a dualists food. Launch dualists into the sun. Stir fry dualists in a wok. Toss dualists into active volcanoes. Urinate into a dualists gas tank. Judo throw dualists into a wood chipper. Twist dualists heads off. Report dualists to the IRS. Karate chop dualists in half. Curb stomp pregnant black dualists. Trap dualists in quicksand. Crush dualists in the trash compactor. Liquefy dualists in a vat of acid. Eat dualists. Dissect dualists. Exterminate dualists in the gas chamber. Stomp dualist skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate dualists in the oven. Lobotomize dualists. Mandatory abortions for dualists. Grind dualist fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown dualists in fried chicken grease. Vaporize dualists with a ray gun. Kick old dualists down the stairs. Feed dualists to alligators. Slice dualists with a katana."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "inferiority complex"}, {"id": 2, "content": "for me it's 4"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Reminder that semites killed babies"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't lump the Akkadians in with this."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>killed\nYou think they've stopped?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>schizo theories with little evidence and uninteresting lore\nBoring as fuck man. I'm talking about literally passing children through the fires, not that boring shit"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCanaanites were Hamites."}, {"id": 6, "content": "so did everyone else tho\nCanaanites ritualized it as child sacrifice but infanticide and exposure were astonishingly common in the premodern world"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nCope. The author of that book is a major Israeli scholar who got death threats over that book. He’s done much more for the truth than you ever will."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the current world abort 73 millions fetus a year\n>did you know some rando bronze age cult used to sacrifice kids? How barbaric!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nBullshit. Yes, this is an Israeli historian, but your pic is just an infograph with no specific quotes.\nAnd I should note that this seems to be the only notable work by him. You accuse Jews of lying and being tricky all the time, but when a Jew draws up controversy with a take that plays into your views, you lap it up uncritically.\n\nThis guy strikes me as very unreliable, and has clarified and walked back statements multiple times. He just strikes me as a guy that saw this as a way to sell books.\n\nHis whole theory here is based on the confessions of some Jews related to the case of Simon of Trent. These confessions were obtained under torture. This is why most medieval confessions cannot be taken at face value. The average person will crack under torture far more mild than medieval torture devices and say whatever the torturer wants them to say, whatever crime they want them to plead to. They'll straight-up lie even if they're innocent and say they did a horrific crime.\n\nThis guy is just a sensationalist and a bad historian, but you won't care because he's a Jew who agrees with you (kinda).\nHere's his \"clarifications\":\n\n>In response to a statement from Italian Jewish leaders that consumption or use of blood is prohibited by Jewish law and tradition, Toaff stressed that he was not implicating all Jews, but only \"a group of fundamentalist Jews [who] did not respect the biblical prohibition [against use of blood].\"[10\n>He clarified that in regard to the specific trial, dealing with Jews accused of killing Simon of Trent for ritual purposes at Passover, there was no relationship whatsoever between the so-called 'ritual of blood' and ritual infanticide. He denied that the Jews implicated were in any way involved in the murder of Simon.[11]\n\n1/2\n\nlast quote is neccesary I think to show how he walks a fine line to draw red meat to people like you, as well draw reaction and outrage on the other side"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>>9\n>A second edition of the book appeared in February, 2008. In an afterword to this edition in defense of his book, Toaff responded to his critics. To forestall possible misinterpretations, he said that the idea that Jews practiced ritual murder is a slanderous stereotype, and that ritual homicide or infanticide was a myth. That said, the possibility existed that:\n\n>certain criminal acts, disguised as crude rituals, were indeed committed by extremist groups or by individuals demented by religious mania and blinded by desire for revenge against those considered responsible for their people’s sorrows and tragedies.[4"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYou're right, they should just be born, so they can all starve to death, or die from neglect because nobody wants them. That's the civilized thing to do"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThat's the thing, people don't debate over the ability to raise a kid and what can be done to improve that. They prefer to debate over the possibility of killing a fetus in a non ending \"muh religion VS muh individual rights\" dick contest."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "i think there is a narrative that they are all lying, and that all stairwells were damaged or blocked"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>i think there is a narrative that they are all lying\nYou think??? Who?\nIf this was controversial it would not be wiki.\n\nbtw your wiki article says that only 18 survived from above the impact zone."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Who?\nyou always see shit like pic related whenever the topic is brought up.\n\n>only 18 survived from above the impact zone.\nthat is often cited as the official number but there were probably many more survivors from the top floors."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>only\nlmao i meant \"9/11 survivors\", not that there were literal 911 survivors"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If they really didn't want to be there and the war was so unpopular, why didn't any US soldiers in Vietnam mutiny? Imagine the kino."}, {"id": 2, "content": "no vietnamese ever called me incel"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMcNamara deliberately lowered the minimum IQ requirements for the Army and a lot of Vietnam soldiers were extremely undereducated hillbillies from the South and Appalachia who weren't liable to question what was going on."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why didn't they do [thing they actually did]\nSo it's safe to say most posters on this board haven't read a history book since high school? Fragging happened all the time OP. Look it up."}, {"id": 5, "content": "mutinying means being cut off from supplies, now imagine you're a kid in a jungle where it is rarely below 90 degrees"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nBlack people, who were statistically overrepresented in the military, were solely of high IQ stock."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Fragging\nNo I mean more like\n>fuck you, we're not going to fight your stupid war"}, {"id": 8, "content": "they did.\nNot all at once in some dramatic event, but enough did that the US abolished conscription and gave up on the war."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYou mean objectors/defectors? Yeah that happened a lot too."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Anyway, what's the best single-volume work on the Vietnam War to read? I'm talking a general history of the war from an unbiased perspective (no \"AMERICA EVIL\" or \"HIPPIES LOST US THE WAR\")"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>defectors\nIt did?\n\nThe only ones I know about are the unnamed white and black duo that was supposedly spotted running around with viet cong in the jungle. Some Americans tried to rescue them and opened fire on the group, but then they retreated with their \"captors\", so it was surmised they were defectors.\n\nThe only other one I know about is that James Dresnok guy, but that's Korea"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nAlso sorry for the reddit spacing it was unintentional"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI know you're gonna hate me for saying this, but I would honestly say Google it, because I just did and it has sent me down a fascinating rabbit hole. There are only 3 officially reported defections it looks like, but many more unofficial stories and reports about American G.I.s escaping to the North or going into hiding in surrounding countries.\n\nIn addition, many servicemen defected to other countries in the communist bloc during the same era, such as East Germany and China. You'd think there would be more easily available information"}, {"id": 14, "content": "There were the fragging incidents mentioned by other anons but also lots of passive resistance where soldiers just didn’t fight and slacked off. There was also a major mutiny on an aircraft carrier but that was more of a racial thing than an overt anti war action. Military discipline had gone to shit by the 70s which was a big reason for ending the draft."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nThe latter statement would be backed by nothing unless the whole of the US military coup'd the government. The former gives you the power to ensure you don't end up dying because of some retarded green officer giving you retarded orders."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>AMERICA EVIL\" or \"HIPPIES LOST US THE WAR\nThose ARE the biased perspectives, dumbass. God forbid anyone hold McNamara and LBJ accountable for a war they prolonged."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEver heard of \"fragging\"?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYou're the dumbass."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasically was. In addition to fragging (hundreds of officers), there were several \"riots\" aboard warships including the carrier Kitty Hawk which is mutiny by any definition, and around 7 divisions worth of conscripted men evaporating, mostly at stateside bases -- this has been hushed up but some (military, I believe) commentary described the situation as so bad it was approaching the level of serious collapses like the French in WWI. I dunno if it was that bad, though, but worse than you've been told."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Military journal article from 1971 reprinted in an anarchist magazine\n\n>The morale, discipline and battle worthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at any time in this century and possibly in the history of the United States. By every conceivable indicator, our army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having refused combat, murdering their officers and noncommissioned officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited, where not near-mutinous.\n\n>Elsewhere than Vietnam, the situation is nearly as serious. By several orders of magnitude, the Army seems to be in worse trouble. But the Navy has serious and unprecedented problems, while the Air Force, on the surface at least still clear of the quicksands in which the Army is sinking, is itself facing disquieting difficulties. Only the Marines—who have made the news this year by their hard line against indiscipline and general permissiveness—seem, with their expected staunchness and tough tradition, to be weathering the storm.\nhttps://www.fifthestate.org/archive/335-winter-1990-91/the-collapse-of-the-armed-forces/"}, {"id": 21, "content": "The US military didn't really recover and become functional again until the Reagan years. Unfortunately a lot of the reforms instituted in that time got wrecked during the War on Terror when they once again lowered enlistment standards and allowed human scum like Steve Greene into the Army."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are atheists so interested in changing the definition of marriage, a religious institution, if they “don’t believe in God” like they claim? You would think they wouldn’t be interested in religious matters, but I know better. They have spent the latter half of the 20th century trying to sabotage the sanctity of God’s covenant between men and women. God will not allow this to continue, I am certain."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Ah yes, History & Humanities"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I care about civil marriage, a contract recognized by the state and regulated through state-issued licenses.\nChurches can do what they want idk"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nReligion is humanities, yes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf marriage is a \"religious institution\", why are you so concerned with how it is defined for use in secular governments for things like tax benefits?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYes. But your post is culture war horeshit, not humanities."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarriage is a legal institution that confers legal benefits and if atheists were behind the changes it never would have gotten so much support."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIt’s a nation of Christian values.\n>>6\nExplain how culture isn’t implicit when discussing humanities."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Marriage is a government tax agreement designed to destroy men. It should be abolished and women should all be executed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nInfluenced by Christian values, but a secular nation. We are not bound by Christianity nor by weird faggots with a hate-crushes on Gervais."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>secular nation\nUNDER GOD"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>America is secular\nBased Anon. I love how saying that makes christians see red."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>Under god\n>was added in 1954"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>cites the pledge of allegiance, not the constitution, not the federalist letters, not the declaration of independence, not supreme court cases\nRicky-anon, did you only attend grade school?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause, despite what they say, atheists are NOT neutral, objective, dispassionate observers just looking at the facts.\nThey have an agenda. They want to distort everything that God created into a perversion. Atheists are servants of the devil. Even if they don't believe in the devil, they are working for him."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>le trad ortho meme\nWhy is it that every orthodox priest looks clinically depressed?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\n>twitter fetish\n>furfaggotry\n\nYiff in hell"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nDoes your mom or dad know this is how you spend your free time?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nAs opposed to terminally online left wing tranny faggots?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nShow your parents (or a government agent) the contents of your hard drive. I bet you won’t."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Remember to report all the Gervais posters posts for avatar/signature use."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>dodging the question"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nNo because I know why they look depressed, but I don’t know why Ortho priests do"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nYou just violated a global rule, genius."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nYou wouldn't do it either.\nI can only imagine the things you're creating with that AI you choose to only keep for your sinful self."}, {"id": 27, "content": "There is no such thing as a person who isn't religious. Atheists have a religion, whether it is Marxism, liberalism, scientism, or some other nonsense.\nhttps://youtu.be/PSsJKFzm6MY [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWell that refutes OP's argument that marriage shouldn't be between two men because it's a religious institution.\nI'm just going to say my religion, Atheism, has a definition of marriage that includes gay marriage, and both our religions are equal before the Law in the US."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>15\nHalf of what that priest said is objectively false. But of course you will throw a tantrum denying it and call me some slur. Because the truth hurts and letting go of the pride from pretending to be virtuous while posting in a degenerate place like this website is too great for you."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>Half of what that priest said is objectively false\nName what he said specifically that is false (you can't because everything he said in that picture is true)"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\nAnd also malnourished and frail."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>8\n>It’s a nation of Christian values.\nThis being?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\nI don’t make these images"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>Black Lives Matter has grown into a national anti-racism movement broadly supported by Americans, few of whom would identify themselves as Marxist.\n\n>Black Lives Matter’s \"emphatic support for gender identity politics sets it apart from historical Marxism,\" and the goals listed on its website \"do not appear to be expressly anti-capitalist, which would arguably be a Marxist identifier\n>t. Russell Berman, a professor at Stanford University and a senior fellow at its conservative Hoover Institution who has written critically about Marxism.\n\n>The $33 million figure is old. It comes from a Washington Times article that pointed to Soros' donations to social justice groups, several of which were active before the founding of the Black Lives Matter organization."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>11\nWhich God? Maybe I'm a deist?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't atheists who decided to give that religious institution legal power, laws which apply to non-Christians"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>Patrisse Cullors is a co-founder of Blacks Lives Matter. About her background, she said in 2015: “The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia (Garza, BLM co-founder) in particular are trained organizers.” Cullors also said: “We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.”"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>folk\nWhy do left wing SJW freaks always use this word\nThey say \"yall\" a lot too"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>folk\n\nOut of touch ivory tower parasites trying to sound folksy and relatable to the masses\n\n>yall\n\nStarted the same way as folk, but also became popular with normies through Southern rap"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nWe all know what you are, deviant."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nReal answer: The internet spreading slang that previously was isolated to specific regions preventing it from being encountered by others, or only being encountered so rarely that there was no subconscious desire to adopt it.\nFake answer: Niggers say it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's stopping an atheist from committing mass atrocities if he is able and felt like it? He believes that there is no universal morality after all, so why should he care about what the Bible says is good? He has convinced himself that killing babies, promoting sodomy to children, grooming boys into thinking that they are girls, and bestiality is morally good, so hey, why not? Morality is all relative! Am I right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's stopping an atheist from committing mass atrocities if he is able and felt like it?\nIf the magic jew in the sky said atrocities are moral, would you believe they are moral?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can stab a million infants in an undiscovered cave and walk out after washing the blood. Infants will still smile at you, dogs will still wag their tails at you, and your family will still love you, as long as you don’t bring it up. If no one finds out, you’ll die without any consequences. That’s the sad unfortunate reality. I wish there was some justice, but based on how the most corrupt and evil rule our society and obtain their status, it’s hard for me to say there is any objective morality without any reason.\n\nYour anger and disgust at the notion that morality is up to subjectivitiy only shows that you’re uncomfortable with this notion and you have nothing to refute it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIf a person disagrees with God on what is moral, it is a reflection of their flawed moral compass. God is the ultimate authority on what is moral."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>God is the ultimate authority on what is moral.\nSo if god said it's moral to rape then it is moral to rape? That's the logical conclusion if you say morality is determined by a magic jew in the sky."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nWhile it may be true that societal perception and earthly consequences may not always align with one's actions, morality and true justice is solely determined by God, not society or your peers.\n\nGod is perfectly just, and no matter what happens, He will always have the final say."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nGod is the ultimate authority on what is moral. Without God, humanity has nothing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do some Christian’s commit mass atrocities?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "God is truth. Everyone knows what the truth is in their heart. Some more than others. The truth is self-evident. It does not need a religion to be understood. However to fully understand it, you indeed need the true faith."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat’s stopping your mom from not sucking so much dick?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nLet the sodomites witness His power."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Atheists, like most people today, only worship the government. Bad things are bad because daddy state says so."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">He has convinced himself that killing babies\nIncreases mortality\n>promoting sodomy to children\ndistruptive and immoral\n>grooming boys into thinking that they are girls\npersonality is affectual to circumstance.\n>and bestiality is morally good\nthat is telegonically equivalent to sodomy in terms of esteem."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nWithout people like you, God would have nothing. He can only spread his power insofar as retards keep bringing him up into every discussion."}, {"id": 15, "content": "a sense of the inherent value of human life. We have already seen that belief in god does nothing to prevent people from committing the atrocities you speak of, and in some cases actually encourages them."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The only thing stopping christcucks from raping and murdering everything in their paths is a magic jew in the sky that says so instead of their own intuition and thinking\n>Christcucks lack a moral compass of their own and only serve to YAS KING their jew god and do whatever it says in the book\nI don't think you're in much of a position to criticize anyone for lacking morals christkek"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThat belief clearly doesn't mean much, since you put it aside to murder babies."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nReligious people murder their babies too\n\n>Research has consistently shown that the majority of people who obtain an abortion have a religious affiliation. According to the most recent Guttmacher Institute data, in 2014:\n\n>17% of abortion patients identified as mainline Protestant;\n>13% as evangelical Protestant;\n>24% as Catholic;\n>38% reported no religious affiliation; and\n>8% reported some other affiliation.\n\nI know you're a reptile brain so you will move the goalposts to the 38% number. Which does nothing to prove your point that your belief in the magic jew god gives people the impetus to 100% prevent this shit from happening no matter what.\n\nIt doesn't whatsoever. You're deluded and retarded."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame thing stopping a theist."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's stopping an atheist from committing mass atrocities if he is able and felt like it?\nThe law. Practical limitations. The lack of desire to put in the effort. Thinking rationally. His own subjective morality?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's stopping an atheist from committing mass atrocities if he is able and felt like it\n\ntoo big of a pussy desu. Most of them are completely buckbroken by Big Teacher, they behave even when they know authority has left the building."}, {"id": 22, "content": "What's stopping a Christtard? A sky wizard saying that it's bad?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>4\nRefuted by euthryphro dilemma."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>God is the ultimate authority on what is moral.\nThen if god says rape is moral then rape is moral. Admit it. I've got you."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>12\nAt least the government exists unlike the Jew god."}, {"id": 26, "content": "What's stopping an theist from committing mass atrocities if God commanded him to? He believes that there is a flawless morality after all, so why should he care about what reality says is good? He has convinced himself that killing babies, promoting sodomy to children, grooming boys into thinking that they are girls, and bestiality is morally good if God tells him they're good, so hey, why not? Morality is all commanded from above! Am I right?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nUsing statist logic nazis and commies did nothing wrong. If rulers decide moral law, it means everything they do is righteous.\n\n>>24\nGod doesn't say rape is moral. It's like arguing that gravity makes no sense because you can imagine a world in which objects fall upward."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>God doesn't say rape is moral.\n\nMoses literally told his followers to rape the daughters of the peoples he conquered"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "would he have won?\nrepealed the CRA?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "no"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe carries the entire south and Nixon doesn't even need to do Watergate and is remembered as a great President"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNixon didn't need to do Watergate against McGovern either but he still did"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nMcGovern compared to Wallace had the possibility of carrying some swing states which Nixon feared more than Wallace who'd basically win the South and nothing but the South"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How different would history be if the northern crusades had failed?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who would have won in a war between Britain and Nazi Germany if all other countries were 100% neutral and not involved?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Worlds largest empire\nVS\n>Retard ethnostate\nGee IDK"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nMeaning no trade? Or with trade?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain would have literally starved Germany for resources since they wouldn’t have access to Romanian oil"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou need to be a little bit more specific. Do you mean Germany with 1938 borders before annexation of Austria?\nOr Germany with summer 1940 borders with most of western and Central Europe in its control?\n\nAlso, how \"neutral\" must these nations be?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermany needed access to the Channel Ports to threaten Britain and was reliant on trade with the Soviet Union for various war materials such as oil, food, etc. to conduct the various successful campaigns it did."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n1940"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnswer these two questions anon\n1. How would these two countries reach each other if they have no land connection?\n2. Which of these two countries controlled the seas?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nGermans have planes though"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMan, wehraboos are delusional"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nIt would ultimately make no difference either way"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Germany obviously"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nWow yeah true anon, never thought of that, but the UK made just as many planes if not more so what's your point?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nGermany had their heart in it more"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Britain blockades Germany\n>Germany has no way to break the blockade, let alone use its ground forces in any way\n>????\n>Peace in Britain's favour"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Germany vs Britain is a whale vs an elephant. It's a fight that isn't going to happen.\n\nBritain would have assumed a Napoleonic stance of continental blockade and simply wait for a sudden turn of events that would bring other nations into the war like the USSR, while inflicting crippling economic damage from its continental blockade, which in turn makes Germany almost completely dependent on the USSR for trade, which isn't a good thing as a National Socialist. Add a further economic drain from having a constant massive mobilized army that isn't doing anything but maintaining a costly occupation. Germany will have to deal with constant partisans, SOE raids, and probably some hunger revolts after 1945 in a few occupied nations.\n\nGermanys main way of victory would be to somehow sway British politicians to abandon their support for Churchill as the war is taking its toll.\nShooting down British bombers and sinking merchant ships to inflict damage and casualties, but overall you're looking at a very stagnated war since Germany won't be able to win the Atlantic war and bombing campaigns will only result in losses primarily from the attacker.\nWhen the war is going nowhere, time drags on, casualties are mounting, worries of a stronger USSR emerging, then there's going to be pressure on Churchill for how long he intends to keep it up.\n\nHowever, there's probably going to be some rapid peace talks occurring at the end of the decade when Britain obtains nuclear weapons."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">''To the strongest.''"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Noooooooooo I meant \"to Craterus\"!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What caused white mob violence to decline?\n\nOnce upon a time if blacks misbehaved the white community would just raid black neighborhoods and start torturing, raping, and massacring every black in sight. Man, woman, and child. Even their livestock. Homes burned down and businesses ransacked.\n\nWhere did the collective malice go? In my hometown there was a massive white-on-black riot that ended with all the Africans fleeing in like 1907 and not returning until like 2006."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCapitalistic alienation into isolated suburbs coupled with increasing middle class living standards (aka turning whites into “not my problem” NIMBY’s) destroyed white working class solidarity and identity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPublic schooling."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come Britain never fell into fascism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was no desired land that fanatic fascist irredentists could whip up militaristic fervor to conquer like there was in Italy, Germany, or Japan."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">why didn't the largest and most accomplished empire in the world at the time fall for some failed ideology that appeals to declining shitholes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain was not hit as hard by the Great Depression. Ironically, in Britain it was members of the noble class who were sympathetic to Germany for some time while the middle class hated the Fascists. This is the opposite of pretty much everywhere else."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople were too comfortable to support radical change."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThey lost Ireland less than 20 years earlier"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Britain wasn't already declining"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nMostly this. Radical politics is almost always a reaction to shitty living standards in the country. In agricultural and undereducated shitholes it usually goes for far-left socialists, in industrialised and educated countries it tends to go for fascists (far-right socialists).\n\n>>1 (OP)\nWhy are you using the old flag there OP?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThey had Northern Ireland. The parts they lost were ones which they were already planning on giving home rule to."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nbritain is fascist, ireland isn't bro."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n800 year old civil society with a stable Parliamentary system, plus a relatively advanced economy with decent living standards"}, {"id": 12, "content": "The British political establishment was far too stable. Britain hasn't had any real uprising, political revolution or change in government since 1688. Fascism was a totally alien sort of ideology for the British"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nhoward's right"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsome people were just born to take tranny cock neolib"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nYeah and nobody aside from Ulster fags gave a shit"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Country is stable\n>No irredentism\n>No insecurity about access to resources\n>Colonies abound\n>Fear of Soviet Union isn't as severe"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nacxounting equation oustanding debt termination genetic level. nothin personal nons, cant be. many branches have fallen before. .5b"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain became Fascist when the Italian Empire took it over. They have been Fascist ever since."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe typical bong couldn't be further from a fascist, they had none of the self-sacrifice and fanaticism required."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nFun fact, the guy in this picture is actually German"}, {"id": 21, "content": "You can think of the British Empire as \"fascism with British characteristics\". Its not that it never fell into fascism, its that status quo thinking among Brits towards the empire was more or less fascist sentiment with different wording, so there wasn't really a need for it.\nIf you read Mosley you can see he was hardly an extremist, and British corporatism was not radical. The fascist union were really just proto-populists if anything."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Fascism is for failed empires that are in danger of falling to communism, Britain was so successful at empire that it made it's local communists complicit in colonialist surplus (if you think Labour is communist even at the Wilson administration you're a fool). Britain was able to peacefully hand it's empire to the US instead of any violent fall after WWII."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt did under Cromwell."}, {"id": 24, "content": "It's hard to believe in white supremacy when you live next to irish barbarians."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nNah British empire was all about money. For the most part it didn't really care what its subjugated people did as long as it was orderly and didn't get in the way of making money."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historical implications of natufian and taforalt derived alelles and SNPs for low iq having a high incidence in southerners?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthose are the guys calling you brown on /his/, /int/ and /pol, especially the italian one"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historical implications\nWhy do you bother? This board has no moderation."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDes EEF goblinitos"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>This board has no moderation.\nbut don't you dare say the N word"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKEEEEEEK WTF ARE THESE PAJEETS LMAOOO SUCH A REPULSIVE RACE\n\nKEEEEK THE SPIC LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING RAJASHTANI LMAOOOO"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The first Three Chinese Dynasties: Shang, Zhou, Qin.\n>The founding Qin Emperor is the \"First Emperor\"\nI thought Asians were good at math? How is the third guy the first?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShang and zhou weren't quite like the rest. Qin pretty much set the blueprint for everyone who came afterwards."}, {"id": 3, "content": "shang = not even really an empire, just ooga boogas\nzhou = hre, not really an empire\nqin = actual bonafide absolute empire"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can you describe what it felt like for you when you became a new creation?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were they REALLY that bad?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "ahem..\nI said...\nWas the British Raj REALLY as bad as they made it seem in RRR?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, they lifted India out of the stone age where they felt comfortable. Gandhi literally believed that indians knew steam machines, nuclear power etc. etc. but decided it's not spiritual and it's better to shit on the street. There should be a cordone sanitare built around the subcontinent with machinegun turrets and let them live in their shithole while we wuzing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was life like for disabled people before modern legal protections existed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends how they became disabled. If you were a veteran you got some minor pension but that's about it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends.\nIn some cultures if you were disabled from birth you were probably seen as an outcast who god cursed or your parents must have been major sinners other times you could be a meme, like being a person with dwarfism put on the royal court for laughs and giggles, or you could be worshipped like some Hindus do today. It really varies on the time and place."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir families took care of them. Holy fuck the absolute state of westoids how could you not know this?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCame here to post this. What a depressing lot."}, {"id": 6, "content": "just like muh heckin katawa shoujo"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Amputee here (lower right leg), if anyone has questions."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nwhat happened? accident at work?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nHow long did it take to grow back?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nis life now better for you in any way?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThey couldn't figure out what the problem is. And they really tried. Meh.\n>>9\nWIP\n>>10\nHalf the amount of toenails to cut, only need one sock, always a free spot in public transportation. It's also a conversation starter, loads of people initiate talks.\nPlus I've got a really mean kick. That fucker just pulverizes bones, while chances of me getting injured is very low. It being high end titan/carbon fiber helps too."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>he thinks crippled veterans got anything after serving EVER\nlmao\n\n>The private soldiers fight and die to advance the wealth and luxury of the great, and they are called masters of the world without having a sod to call their own.\nt. I. Fragments by Tiberius Gracchus"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou had to bring a piece of legal paper with you to probe that it was not due criminal punishment. Mutilation was often used to identify law-breakers."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on time, place and disability.\n\nIn general, most people in the past lived in small, high-trust communities. Such communities tend to have high levels of reciprocal altruism, so a disabled person would likely be taken care of. They would also likely be given a job that they can still do. If you lost an arm, you can still whatch over sheep, if you can't walk you can still sit and make crafts etc.\n\nHowever, famine was also widespread before modernity, during which it was common to abandon old and disabled people. Not because they were hated but if the group's survival is at stake, those who can contribute the less will be sacrificed.\n\nAnother things that can lead to disabled people's mistreatment is religious dogma and superstition. In medieval Europe, children born with disabilities were sometimes believed to be changelings that the devil or other evil entity substituted for the real children, and parents could have been accused of whitchraft because of that. In China, disability was often viewed as punishment for bad karma, leading to disabled people being ostracized. In Islam, the left hand was viewed as unclean so if you lost your right hand you could be rejected by the community."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>>1 (OP)\nMy general impression is that people born with a disability, especially if it was not very debilitating BUT very visible were treated the worst.\n\nIf you became disabled because of an accident or during war, you usually got a lot of sympathy and care. But let's say you were born with a hunched back or other visible deformity. Such things were often seen by people as physical manifestations of an evil soul or some kind of demonic influence.\n\nAlso note that the upper classes and urbanites were much more cruel to the disabled than rural people.\n\n>Thomas' (1977) analysis of the joke books of Tudor and Stuart England reveals the extent of this dimension of the discrimination encountered by disabled people.\n>Besides references to the other so-called timeless universals of 'popular' humour such as foreigners, women, and the clergy, there are many jokes about impairment and disabled people: Every disability from idiocy to insanity to diabetes and bad breath was a welcome source of amusement, 'we jest at a man's body that is not well proportioned', said Thomas Wilson, 'and laugh at his countenance. ..if it be not comely by nature'.\n>A typical Elizabethan joke book contains 'merry jests at fools' and merry jests at 'blind folk'. While some of the tricksters' pranks are brutal to the extreme. (Thomas, 1977, pp.80-1).\n>Visits to Bedlam were also a common form of amusement for the socially well placed and the practice of keeping 'idiots' as objects of entertainment was prevalent among the aristocracy (Ryan and Thomas, 1980).\n\nhttps://disability-studies.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/library/Barnes-disabled-people-and-discrim-ch2.pdf"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nTerminally unfunny"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nyou are now obligated to become a sexy pirate"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\ni wish it was my leg instead of an arm\ni barely see you people as disabled"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>you are now obligated to become a sexy pirate\nI even kinda look like Johnny Depp did back in the day, so yes, it's definitely a project.\n\n>>18\n>i wish it was my leg instead of an arm\n>i barely see you people as disabled\nYeah, an Arm really really sucks, no doubt. Reason for it?\nLeg, especially below knee, you don't even notice those people once the rehab process is done. Pretty much normal walking.\nI'm not quite there yet, amputation was last July, but every day is a bit better. I don't use the fake skin stuff, just the metal, because I don't want to uncanny valley. Also roll up my pants, so people immediately can see why I'm walking funny."}, {"id": 20, "content": "In the U.S., blind men often chose music as a way to support themselves. Look at the absurd number of early recorded blues, gospel and hillbilly musicians named “Blind something something”"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nYes women got money from their local government if their husband died in war\nGet over it"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndisabled woman = cute = lots of coomers over her\ndisabled man = rejected by everybody"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\nIs phantom limb syndrome a thing you have experienced?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\nAre you treated as \"not really disabled\" by disabled people and receive stigma."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>12\n>Gracchus\nDilate."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Wealthy families would keep their tard / schizo relatives locked in the house. \"Oh don't mind that screaming, it's just uncle William\". Funnily enough I went to school with an old money kid and the brother was mentally disturbed, but was basically kept at home to roam about. It was so odd, we were playing star wars pod racer and always hearing tardrage at his nurse. There aren't asylums really any more so what else is there to do?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nYep, especially phantom pain. There's no problem with your brain thinking your prothesis is part of your leg, that allows you to move naturally.\nBut, you can get pain in it. Fucking strong pain. They put me on max opiates and ketamine and it still was easily 7/10 on the pain scale.\nBut then I went to some specialists. The did an MRI and realized a nerve wasn't correctly shortened and grew into the wound of the amputation. So they did a revision of the wound, corrected it, and then, actually, all the pain was gone.\n>>24\nNo, they're a nice club and if you see everyone with such things, it's normal to approach and have a little talk.\n>>22\n>disabled man = rejected by everybody\nIt's fine, if anything its a conversation piece. I basically have the ice-breaker attached to my body."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\n>get your land sold by your woman to a wealthy owner when you were away\nlmao\n>>25\nlmao seethe more, he was right"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey could BTFO the british fleet anyday"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\n>They couldn't figure out what the problem is\nDid it happen before or after the covid pandemic? Did you take the clotshot?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Did it happen before or after the covid pandemic? Did you take the clotshot?\nAfter, but I didnt take the clotshot exactly because it didn't quite sound perfect.\nUltimatively, they ran me through every scan they have without any clear result."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>I basically have the ice-breaker attached to my body.\nSo does the leg stay on or off during sex?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nOff. it's not super sexy to have a bunch of titan and carbon fiber attached while you're getting into it."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nare you fucking serious? Gracchus' only flaw was not marching Rome before Sulla and Caesar"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>27\nAmitriptyline is sometimes used for those with nerve damage. Might ask your doctor about it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>7\n\nPost (non-)leg with timestamp"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>7\nObviously you're pretty screwed if you're missing a limb above the elbow/knee but exactly how much more than not?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>4\nIts honestly funny how white people call Asians bugmen but when they encounter a problem, they rely on the state first than their own families.\n\nLike white people call police to...solve domestic disputes. Or go to therapy before talking to their fucking parents/family."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>7\nhow big is your dick?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>14\n>In Islam, the left hand was viewed as unclean so if you lost your right hand you could be rejected by the community.\nWtf stop pulling shit out of ur filthy ass.Have seen left-handed muslims eat with their left hand all my life despite being fine afall that they are told us to try not to do so but no one is ostracised for that shit if they continue to do so"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If I could forget it I would, anon."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that the Pantheon? I remember it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "but Protestants are realer Christians than people who think statues and pictures can be Holy."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou mean Lutherans. \"Protestants\" look like this."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>people who think statues and pictures can be Holy.\nuh oh anon."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDidn't God literally command for that to be built?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCorrect, guess God isn't as obtuse about statues than protestants are."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>people who think statues and pictures can be Holy.\nCope from cultureless people who worship handsome preachers inside a toolshed and can't turn clay into pottery."}, {"id": 7, "content": "by Grace alone through faith alone on the basis of Scripture alone"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nDo you have anything to say about stuff like pic related? Or about Mary statues that cry blood?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>pic related\n>forgot pic"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Cucktianity\n>real\nTop kek. Religion is not real. Talking of \"more real\" Christians is an oxymoron. I hope all Abrahamaic cancer disappears. (Goes for Jooz and Mudslimes too)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nwhat do you even get out of replying to Christian threads?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nHow is that any different than pic related?\n>>3"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nI don't see him praying.\n>crying Mary statues\nOnly a thing among brown shitholes who never let go of their pre-Christian superstitions."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>>13\nI don't think God commanded anyone to make idols of Mary"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nI am preachibg my own cosmovision just like you are. Except mine is based on reason and evidence."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>I don't think God commanded anyone to make idols of Mary\nIt's not an idol, it's a statue, an idol is not synonymous with statues, an idol is an object of worship other than God, if you don't worship it, it's not an idol. And as the ark of the covenant example shows, one that goes even one step further because they made images of heavenly beings (angels), it's clear tha the prohibition against images is much more flexible than protestants would have you believe, in which they take a quasi-Mohammedan position and denounce ALL images. Which I guess would make all protestants who have images of their family members idolaters too."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\n>In February, a religious American Jew yanked a 10-foot rendering of Christ from its pedestal and smashed it on to the floor, striking its face with a hammer a dozen times at the Church of the Flagellation on the Via Dolorosa, along which it is believed Jesus hauled his cross toward his crucifixion. “No idols in the holy city of Jerusalem!” he yelled.\n\nI fully support Israel"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNow let's see one of those kikes do the same to the Dome of the Rock of the Al Aqsa mosque. You know, the two temples on top of the site of the Temple of Jerusalem."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\nOne is a chest and another is a goddess worshipped by catholics called mary or theotokos by the orthox"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndeed. VDMA"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>an idol is an object of worship\nWhat would you call what he's doing here?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>One is a chest\nWith two images of heavenly beings on it, which according to protestants' twisted interpretation of the 10 commandments would make God a hypocrite.\n>and another is a goddess\nMary is not a goddess.\n>worshipped\nNobody worships Mary.\n>by catholics called mary\nSo now you disavow the Blessed Virgin Mary? How protestant of you.\n>or theotokos by the orthox\nTheotokos is just an epithet meaning \"mother of God\", which protestants also believe Mary is.\n>>21\nVeneration. Literally no different than anybody showing any amount of respect or reverence towards something or someone of importance."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nI manage to admire and venerate my personal heroes without bowing to statues and engaging in elaborate ritual and prayer in their honor."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nVeneration has many forms."}, {"id": 25, "content": "Yeah Frankly, I'd much rather be a Lutheran than whatever these people are doing.\n>It's just veneration bro"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nTo be fair, RCCs don't even understand the Seventh Ecumenical Council anymore and they've lost the Greek terms that explain proskynesis, latria and all the patristic practices of proper veneration.\n\nOnly the Orthodox have the praxis and theology to smash the reformed delusion on this."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nHindus do worship statues, because they believe their false gods inhabitate them and give them power, they treat the statues as if they were the actual god being in front of them, whereas Mary statues are understood to be mere representations of Mary, and she does not inhabitate them, her spirit is in heaven with the Lord, and she has no power of her own beyond what God allows."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>because they believe their false gods inhabitate them and give them power, they treat the statues as if they were the actual god being in front of them,\nHow do you know that? Have you asked a real hindu who knows what he's talking about? Probably not."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI could be wrong, but I'm guessing another Catholic told him that."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>How do you know that? Have you asked a real hindu who knows what he's talking about?\nYes. They're not as rare as you think, you should go outside and travel some time."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nExactly."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>14\n>every artistic representation is an object of worship\nIs this how protestants justify worshipping dollar bills?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nSome people kiss and pray and bow down to money. Do you do that? I don't"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nThe difference is the people on the left will kill your for breaking their statues whereas breaking a statue of Mary will just get you charges for destruction of property.\n\nWhy do protestants hate Mary so much?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nThat's not just \"artistic representation\" I posted and you know it. You're just being disingenuous now, lying to yourself. What do you even get from it?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nYou mean Buddhists? The ones who do that are mostly Chinese poorfags who leave the tip jar next to their fat fuck statues for good luck and fortune."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nIt is an artistic representation (assuming it isn't just another mass produced ceramic statue sold at a bodega). It has no reverence among the Catholics in that photo. If you were to smash it, they wouldn't act like you just killed God lmao"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>It has no reverence among the Catholics in that photo\nThen why are they holding a ceremony and bowing before it?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nYeah. In that case you could say they \"worship\" or \"\"\"venerate\"\"\" money or whatever you want to call lt. No relation to the transactional use of money by normal people.\n\nCatholics and the other lot are just idolaters in denial."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nShow me a single Catholic claiming a damaged state was literally hurting God. You can't.\n\nProtestants on this board regularly worship their own skin color and jump through hoops to shoehorn their political views into their religion. Racial idolatry is still idolatry, prottie."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>Show me a single Catholic claiming a damaged state was literally hurting God. You can't.\nThat's not the topic of discussion here, you're moving goal posts. You pray to statues and icons, anon."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would he do if he actually managed to take control of a country?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/KHbzSif78qQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was way too lazy to implement actual change just like he was too lazy to finish his books by himself or stop living off of his friends and relatives. He would need a \"ghost governor\" to do the ruling for him."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>author has an editor\n>author dies before finishing his books\nsure signs of laziness like standard practices and mortality"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHe would really need a second Engels to govern for him"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">You dare to question our man made, literally made up rules?\n>YOU'RE A PSYCHOPATH, ANTI-SOCIAL\n>YOU'RE NOT NORMAL, YOU'RE A DANGER TO SOCIETY"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes religious people are often like this."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI was diagnosed with ASPD in middle school, for the simple reason of calling my teacher an idiot, when he spewed obvious bullshit. So. You can get labeled as a psycho for pretty much anything that questions the agenda of the so called authorities."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't particularly care whether or not \"don't arbitrarily kill people\" is a social construct or not, now get in the straightjacket"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nMake me, you twink manlet."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who would have won in a war between the Republic of China and the Independent State of Croatia if all other countries were 100% neutral and not involved?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "at no point in human history could any Croatian state have defeated any Chinese one, the population disparity is simply far too vast"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't exist at the same point in time so one automatically wins depending on the year"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Croatian BVLLS would cuck the Chinese so hard they’d spend the rest of their history claiming everything Croatian was actually Chinese\nSource:Serbia"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nthey already did when they beat the mongols and their hordes of chinese soldiers in Dalmatia."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Suppose Germany never utilized USW or Zimmerman Telegram to the U.S., keeping them formally neutral even though monetary support would continue.\n\nCould Germany have overwhelmed Entente or enticed them to negotiate, even if that would require relinquishing Alsace-Lorraine and and the sum of their colonies?\n\nWould that be an acceptable peace for the Entente either before or after the Kaiserschlact if Ludendorff's newfound influence after Russia's defeat made it inevitable?\n\nI believe the Kaiserschlact would have failed regardless but without the U.S., it's possible the Entente and Central Powers would be in a relative state of parity afterwards.\n\nWould it have also been the best means of forcing the Entente to come to the table or would further offensives in the Balkans and Italy (Would there be any advocates such plans?) be more promising as attacks on the Western Front required the abandonment of defensive positions in order to capture no real strategic objectives. Would such a shift in strategy have advocates? Would a potential victory in these regions better increase the chance to bring the Entente to the negotiating table or would only a victory on the Western Front do as much? Furthermore, what would be the likelihood of Germany scoring victories in the Italian and/or Balkan Fronts in such a scenario?\n\nAll in all, what are the odds of Germany emerging victorious via battle or favorable negotiations in this scenario and in consideration of which of the aforementioned campaigns they would end up launching?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. The Kaiserschlacht was an attack of desperation not just because if the Americans but also because Germany lacked the resources and strength to wage the war much longer. German civilians were on starvation rations and their troops didn’t get much better. The stabilization of Entente lines and the 100 days offensive even without US support would be less of a what-if and more a when.\n\nI also doubt they’d be able to negotiate either. The Entente by this point was absolutely unwilling to negotiate an unfavourable peace after how much they invested into this fight, and Germany was effectively a military junta by this point so any kind of realistic peace proposal where they’d surrender their colonies, pay reparations and ceed land, probably Alsace and the Saarland, was out of the question to the generals who actually ran the state. Remember these are the same people who were so in denial of reality they created the stab in the back myth.\n\nAs for potential other fronts, the Isonzo counteroffensive, while successful, was halted at the Piave and the Ottomans were being pushed back on all fronts except the Caucuses post Russian collapse, where one of the Pashas decided it was absolutely necessary to take an army despite the British pushing his shit in everywhere else. God the Pashas were such retards. Bulgaria was a no-show either. Despite successfully holding the allies back, all victory there would do is knock Greece, a completely irrelevant power, out of the war and free up the allied troops stationed there to be evacuated and go somewhere actually important."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish there were more alternative history scenarios in which the Central Powers do well enough early on to negotiate a favorable peace treaty that doesn't put in them in such a good position as to effectively make it a Central Powers victory scenario. But I guess if the leadership of the Central Powers had been reasonable the war probably could have been avoided in the first place."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>The Kaiserschlacht was an attack of desperation\nIt also correlated with the tactics that Ludendorff and Hindenburg employed on the Eastern Front which is why I'm unsure it we can simply say it was conceived solely out of desperation."}, {"id": 5, "content": "We'd all be eating sauerkraut"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nWhile that is true, it was the army not the civilians who collapsed and it collapsed during the 100 days offensive. A Kaiserschlacht without american reserves means no 100 days offensive and perhaps would have meant that Petain or Foch would have moved reserves torwards the Marne as Ludendorf wanted during Blucher-York and making a following offensive torwards Amiens and Hazelbruck possible. If any of them would have fallen the logistical position of the BEF would have been untenable and would have meant the evacuation of northern France, this in turn would have meant the fall of the Poincaré government and perhaps negotiation before the fall of Germany's allies. Everyone knew the war would be decided on the west so no central power capitulation until the offensives were done."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt wasn’t just the Yanks doing the pushing tho, a fair portion was done by the Canadians. The Allies still had reserves and could draw troops from quieter theatres like Greece, so combine that with the Brits sic’ing their colonies on the Germans and I think they’d be able to mass enough forces to hold and counterattack."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThe tactics were sound but it absolutely was an all in last ditch gamble. The mentality was “If we don’t break them ASAP we’ll either starve or the Americans will start coming in bigger numbers. May as well go all in.” Which is exactly why as soon as it stalled and got counterattacked the Germans completely collapsed. They all knew their last chance had failed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nTrue but the French army was already mutinous i don't think the allied armies would have been very willing to go into an offensive, if the Poincare government fell i don't think there would have been as much unwillingness to negotiate and without the American behemoth behind the allies i don't think the germans would have been as demoralized by the innevitable defeat or stalemate of the Kaiserschlacht"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "..."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Morality IS a subjective social construct.\nOne that's enforced by people and laws."}, {"id": 3, "content": "God will sort them out, OP. No need for violence."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I'd snap yours first."}, {"id": 5, "content": "This is like \"If God real why bad thing happen\" but for Christcucks."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">I won't snap your neck because a jewish peasant said so 2000 years ago don't worry ;)\n>Kills thousands of people in his name through history anyways"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>>5\n>>2\nI immediately discard any and all moral objections raised by atheists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDawkins addresses this in the God Delusion. Babby tier argument.\n\n1. Morality IS a social construct. Christians pick and choose which Bible verses to follow and which to ignore ALL THE TIME, and these have changed as morality has evolved in society. There are Bible verses that condone slavery, collective punishment, guilt by association, and other heinous crimes that Humanity has moved past. There are Bible verses forbidding Christians from using mixed cotton and linen clothes, these fabrics should never mix according to God. tl;dr - You are all hypocrites because none of you follows the Bible literally. You all pick and choose.\n\n2. We are genetically wired to have empathy for our peers, as society evolvedand expanded beyond the tribe, to consider the village, then the nation, and the global community, the concept of what is a peer has also expanded. The trend is for increased empathy as we are more able to put ourselves in another person's shoes. Increased capacity for reasoning and critical thinking has also allowed for more abstract thinking and empathy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristians engage with philosophy challenge (impossible)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI pretty much agree with you, but I have one issue:\nPoint #2 is correct imo, but this is descriptive, not proscriptive. It explains human behavior and why we have empathy and ties to communities, but it does not say why we should have these things."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nMakes you wonder why did he decide to become a transphobe though. I guess his empathy isn't \"evolved\" enough."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>There are Bible verses forbidding Christians from using mixed cotton and linen clothes,\nNo they don't, these prohibitions don't address Christians and were never meant for Christians, they were meant for Israel, literally every paragraph in the book of Leviticus starts with \"Speak to the Israelites and say to them:\" and then it goes on with the Law. It was never meant for Christians.\n>these fabrics should never mix according to God.\nThe prohibition was never meant forever and ever."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nCorrect. After proper therapy 80% of kids stop having dysphoria since it's primarily caused by autism, the environment, BPD, etc. Then the ones where that treatment didn't work get the other treatment where they get surgery and live the rest of their lives in peace (if people like dawkings don't cast them out of society)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nAnd so were the 10 commandments and the rest of the Law. They get picked and choosed all the time."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nBPD mothers*"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nIn the book, he explains how, at the collective level, empathy (and having rules enforcing it) increases the chances of survival for the group, compared to other groups, in a sort of Darwinian competition of tribes and societies. Meanwhile, at an individual level his argument boils down to \"you shouldn't do it if you don't want to face social punishment and if you don't want to make society worse and thus increase the risk of someone doing it to you\" and \"you shouldn't be an asshole\". I'll concede that the individual level argument is a bit more lacking, and did not leave me conpletely satisfied... but it is what it is. I don't believe society would be more \"moral\" with religion."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>The prohibition was never meant forever and ever.\nThen why the fuck did God put that shit in there forever. Or how to properly cook a goat.\n\nThis is literally the creator of the entire universe. Why is he wasting space in his holy book with crap like this?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\n>In the book, he explains how empathy (and having rules enforcing it) increases the chances of survival for the group, compared to other groups, in a sort of Darwinian competition of tribes and societies.\nSo tribalism then? How is that good? Because not all groups have the same goals.\n>Meanwhile, I'll concede that at an individual level his argument is a but more lacking, but it boils down to \"you shouldn't do it if you don't want to face social punishment and if you don't want to make society worse and thus increase the risk of someone doing it to you\" and \"you shouldn't be an asshole\".\nSo his morality boils down to not do something for fear of the consequences? If so, how is it wrong that in the Bible God uses the threat of hell to coerce humans into behaving the way he wants them to? He also says that it's for the betterment of humans, it's the same reasoning. Also, how does this principle apply in the past, where you faced social punishment for being pro LGBT, and even further back when you faced social punishment for being anti-slavery, and even further back if you were anti-monarcy etc, etc."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>So tribalism then? How is that good? Because not all groups have the same goals.\nYou mean like with all the Christian kingdoms killing each other in religious wars where secularism had to be invented to mitigate that?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>Then why the fuck did God put that shit in there forever.\nHe didn't? Those rules were clearly and specifically given to Israel, nobody else, the only way I could ever think that anybody could come off thinking that Levitical law was forever and ever would be if you were dealing with the OT like a Muslim deals with the Quran. Literally just fucking read the text, those rules were never meant for YOU a gentile. They have nothing to do with you.\n>Or how to properly cook a goat?\n......what's wrong with teaching yo such things? Tons of people up until this day eat goat, it's not some ancient practice.\n>This is literally the creator of the entire universe. Why is he wasting space in his holy book with crap like this?\nWho are you to determine for God what is \"wasting space\"? You are nobody to tell him what is worthy of his time and what isn't. He deals with what he sees fit."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>So tribalism then? How is that good? Because not all groups have the same goals.\nIt started out as tribalism, but it's more than that. You will notice even today, the more successful nations are high-trust societies where there is little corruption, there is rule of law, etc. These are societies with higher levels of empathy and better systems to enforce it. Contributing to create such a society rewards you with a better life for yourself and your children.\n\n>So his morality boils down to not do something for fear of the consequences? If so, how is it wrong that in the Bible God uses the threat of hell to coerce humans into behaving the way he wants them to?\nIt was nore than that, and it is related to the concept explained above. You should read the book, it's a good read even if you are a Christian."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>It started out as tribalism\nAnd it continues to be so even today. It has become more and more clear to me, as we leave the age of neoliberalism behind and a New World Order emerges on the horizon, that Dawkins and people like him become more and more irrelevant and can be seen as mere products of the globalization era from which the come, not as steps forward towards a secular utopia, but as yet another ideology from a certain point in history, secual humanism is retreating and \"extremist\" ideologies are rising."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>The rules were never meat for the gentiles\n>Jesus \"fulfills\" all of these rules\n>Now the gentiles don't have to do the barbaric things from the old testament (even though they didn't have to from the very beginning)\n>We will still keep the old testament in the universal religion of Christianity for the gentiles because uhh... God works in mysterious ways he knows more than you"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nPerhaps so. Maybe the world is regressing and entering a new Dark Age of brutality and these lofty ideals will be replaced by warfare and more basal survivalist needs. That doesn't make his theory wrong, there can be ebbs and flows on this march of \"progress\"."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">what if I get violent xd\nWhat if I go even more violent xd"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>>Jesus \"fulfills\" all of these rules\nJesus is a Jew, you know that right?\n>>Now the gentiles don't have to do the barbaric things from the old testament (even though they didn't have to from the very beginning)\nGentiles had their own share of barbaric rules and laws, they are not blameless. The Law admonishes them as it does so the Jews.\n>>We will still keep the old testament in the universal religion of Christianity for the gentiles because uhh... God works in mysterious ways he knows more than yo\nThe Old Testament is placed in the past, and it's necessary as background information for the New Testament, but anybody who has basic reading comprehension can read the OT for himself and and notice that the Levitical law never addressed gentiles, so you can on your own that you are not, and was never meant, to follow these rules, only protestants, who are judaizers, choose to follow rules that were never meant for them."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nIt means the opposite, actually."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nHow so?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">I've decided you believe this since you don't believe in my thing\n>no I won't listen to any objections lalalalalaa you believe we should murder each other lalalala\n\nunrelatedly I'm glad Christian persecution is rising"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI don't know his exact position on trans, but not supporting a castration cult that was propped up by a pharma/medical lobby doesn't mean you hate all the poor misled people who got into it and transitioned, at all."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nThat's not the reason why he became a transphobe though, but because he can't grasp that sex and gender are two different and separate concepts from one another."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIt is possible to grasp gender ideology but completely reject it. I'll read up what exactly he said later though."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>It is possible to grasp gender ideology but completely reject it.\nYeah, it's called transphobia."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">comfy thread\n>tranny makes it all about himself\n*sigh*\nThis is why people don't like (You)"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nIt's not a phobia, it's a healthy revulsion. There's nothing worse than degeneracy masquerading as a medical condition."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSocial constructs are real and matter, and everyone who needs something external to humanity as the source of morality and meaning is one short step away from nihilism."}, {"id": 37, "content": "We're looking at it backwards. Humans are moral creatures, this is an observation. The question is then how and why are they moral creatures. Religions use God as an explanation, as holy spirit is our conscience, the rules and dogmas are a later innovation. Materialists explain our moral behaviour as evolutionary strategy, where group cooperation outcompetes selfishness. In fact Alexander iirc ran some game theory simulations which came to a similar conclusion. In an iterative game cooperative strategies beat out selfish ones.\n\nMorality is a brute fact that we begin from. If you believe that pure, universal moral consistency is only possible with a transcendent God the belief has no relation to the existence of moral behaviour per se and is not some refutation of a materialist explanation for moral behaviour. It's just a trivial statement that without universal, timeless, mortality there can be no universal, timeless morality."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>3\nWhy punish criminals at all if sky jew will eventually do it?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>12\n>It was never meant for Christians.\ncitation needed."}, {"id": 40, "content": "Assuming God exist and says it's immoral to snap your neck\nWhy shouldn't I snap your neck? (I don't care what God says)"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’ve posted this thread before. What do you expect to see in this thread that you haven’t seen in the other ones you’ve posted?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>6\nThat just explains the reason we have \"morals\" not why we should follow them"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>7\nas an atheist, you should do this. moral evaluations are always just a mask for more pragmatic reasons of evaluation."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nChristians have a deep frustration that their ideas are stupid and it manifests as aggression toward atheists. He’s not really looking for a discussion, it’s just sort of a temper tantrum"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I'm stronger than you."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>16\n>In the book, he explains how, at the collective level, empathy (and having rules enforcing it) increases the chances of survival for the group, compared to other groups, in a sort of Darwinian competition of tribes and societies\nThis is cope.\nEmpathy is not the foundation of morality, and in fact sadism is rooted in the human ability to empathize.\n\nHow can you take pleasure in another's pain, if you cannot appreciate how much pain you are causing them?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEasy. Because you will be caught and go to prison.\nAny other questions I can help you with?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>24\nDarwinian selection is not regression, and atheists that believe in \"progress\" are a joke."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\natheists that believe in progress got filtered by the hegelian meme"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>44\nThe modern world is all your fault, you don't have the right to call any religion stupid you godless piece of shit. Rat worshipping Hindus that bathe in the corpse soup filth of the Ganges are less dysgenic than your physicalist faggotry."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe police will find you and lock you up. Which is why you are actually not doing it, not because of what the sky jew told you."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>The police will find you\nlol"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>8\n1. Failure to follow the moral code doesn't disprove its existence. In fact, failure is baked into this religion and the whole idea is that everyone is a sinner who must repent for failing to perfectly adhere to the code.\nAnd no offense, but if you truly believe that the Bible orders Christians to not wear mixed fabrics then you are deeply unfamiliar with it. You have absolutely no grounds to say that people are acting hypocritically.\n\n2. People are only outwardly \"empathetic\" because they must be to function in a society. They may know right from wrong, but only so as to justify their actions to others. No one is sincerely stopping themselves based on it being \"wrong\" according to some arcane and indefinite moral code. Christians profess to have faith that a God will reward or punish them based on their actions and thus have an incentive to adhere to a moral code. However weak the incentive of an imaginary world beyond the grave is, Atheists simply do not have any.\n\nI am sincerely perplexed: why would an Atheist act morally, unless it was to his own tangible benefit?\n\n>inb4 you're evil because you are an animal and thus need incentives to change your behavior\nyes that is my whole point. people are evil and need an outward force to coerce them, to an extent, into good."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">God created pedophiles, terrorism, criminals, illness, poverty\nHow am I supposed to support him?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nRetard."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nIt's more like he allows those things to happen."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nby becoming a pedophile terrorist (joining the church)"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>50\n>The modern world is all your fault\nNo, no\nit's your fault, it's your fault Christianity is untenable and silly\nshould've of have made up a more believable story"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">the only reason I don’t kill you is because my sky daddy told me not to\nEvery thread just further convinces me that the Romans were justified in throwing you retards to the lions"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>53\n>why would an Atheist act morally, unless it was to his own tangible benefit?\nas opposed to the theist who acts morally for his own intangible benefit, namely vague promises of avoiding hell?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christcuck infantiles admitting that the only reason they aren't full-blown degenerates are not the self-control, inner morality, or personal values\n>It's the imaginary daddy standing above them with the belt, who will torture them if they step out of the line"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>53\n>I am sincerely perplexed: why would an Atheist act morally, unless it was to his own tangible benefit?\nExplaining that to people like you would be as useless as explaining the concept of red color to the person who was blind from birth."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nRomans certainly knew something."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>42\n>The reason we have morals\n>You are on land I want\n>So I will commit genocide of every man and married woman but your daughters can become my wives"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "April 19th, 1775\nFuck the british\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gKq--rbJg [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ikO6LMxF4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "God bless America"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Coincidentally, the first bloodshed of the Civil War occurred on the 19th of April in the Baltimore riots. It was the 86th anniversary of Lexington and Concord."}, {"id": 4, "content": "america was a mistake"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The rate of African-American lynchings steadily declined over the 1920s but did not disappear. Arkansas documents three such events during 1926. Bud Nelson was accused of murdering a white farmer named Ed Henderson in Jefferson County the last week of October after a dispute over some mules that culminated in Nelson shooting Henderson in the head with a Winchester rifle. He allegedly told a friend that he'd shot Henderson to teach him a lesson and then fled the area. A multi-state manhunt was started for Nelson and Arkansas governor Thomas Jefferson Terrall was about to offer a bounty for his capture when Nelson's bullet riddled body was discovered on November 1 in a field 15 miles south of Pine Bluff.\n\nNelson was found still clutching his Winchester in his hands. As some of the brush around him had been disturbed, it appeared some kind of struggle took place. None of the persons responsible were ever identified and newspapers reported the event as Nelson dying in a shootout with a white posse and not a lynching per se.\n\nIn May, Albert Blazes (Blades in some accounts) was accused of assaulting a white girl in Mississippi County. A group of schoolchildren were on an outing on May 26 when three girls got separated from their classmates. Blazes chased after the girls; two escaped but one tripped and he grabbed her. She yelled for help and he dropped her and fled. He was later arrested and denied any wrongdoing but one of the schoolteachers identified him. Police held Blazes temporarily in a warehouse with the intention of moving him to a safer location, but a mob arrived and demanded the prisoner. He was dragged away and reportedly mutilated and hanged."}, {"id": 2, "content": "This event was covered nationally in a Time Magazine story and made news as far away as Europe, where France's \"La Petite Journal\" covered the lynching of Blazes. The lynch mob was a huge one, numbering possibly as many as 1,000 people and a number of women were among its numbers.\n\nOn August 11, Charles Powell of Lafayette County was lynched for the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Powell was a railroad worker who was charged with domestic abuse for assaulting his wife. When Deputy James Dooley arrived to arrest him as he was at work in the railroad yard, Powell pulled a gun and shot at him. Dooley fired back but a second shot from Powell went through his chest, fatally wounding him. Powell bolted for Lafayette County. He was tracked down and caught in a thicket near Canfield. Fearing a lynching, the suspect begged the police to save him. Sheriff J.E. Barham and two deputies tried to get him to safety but a mob numbering possibly as many as 500 people caught up to them. Powell was hanged from a tree some miles south of Lewisville and shot multiple times. None of the mob were ever identified or prosecuted."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\n>murderer who killed a guy in a trivial argument over livestock\n>would-be child rapist\n>wife beater who shot a cop when he tried to arrest him\nSeems like all of these individuals deserved it. Don't you agree, LBJfag?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if the Jews just accepted him as their messiah?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They did. Palestine was just another Christian region by the Byzantine era."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why would I?\nThere are expectations for what a messiah is meant to fulfill. If we accepted him as the messiah, we'd already be Christian.\nI have no inherent vendetta against Christianity otherwise. I have had weird encounters with some followers, though."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhat does Isaiah 53 mean?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/isaiah-53-a-jewish-perspective"}, {"id": 6, "content": "What if Christians just accepted him as a prophet?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIslam"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njesus didn't exist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen they would have to accept countless other rabbis who went around 1st century Judea calling themselves the Messiah. Jesus is not a unique or first of such individuals in that regard.\n\nEven if Jews were to be open to the idea, you still have centuries of Christian apologetics to sort through before you can put together a strong case for this particular rabbi being the Messiah."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fact that they killed him reveals the corruption within the Jews, God's alleged people. If they wouldn't crucify him, then God wouldn't have sent Jesus in the first place. We'd have just ended at Isaac. You'd be praying to God in Isaac's name. You'd be asking well, if Isaac hadn't died for our sins, then who would it be? It'd be someone like Abel or Noah. Every son of God gave to us was supposed to help you for your sins.\nIn Adam everyone suffers.\n>[Heb 9:26 KJV] 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.\nIn Jesus the sin is put away.\n>[Heb 9:28 KJV] 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.\nYour postings don't help anyone because all it does is give rise to endless genealogies which begs more questions, rather than godly edifying which is in the faith."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>There are expectations for what a messiah is meant to fulfill.\nJews don't even understand what to expect. You've been brainwashed by corrupt rabbis who only Son of David memes. But the Son of Joseph was to come first. And like clockwork, his brothers attacked him like the original Joseph. Now that he rules the Gentiles, as Joseph ruled Egypt, Jews can't even recognize their own brother. He seems like a foreign leader to them. Something for the goy. Not them.\nThe minute you do wake up, the Son of David will reveal himself. Then we can finally undo this hellhole that your people have created."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>just two more weeks"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJew here. It is a little known fact that there have been more than fifty prominent Jewish Messiahs. These characters, though unrenowned today, inspired messianic fervour that at times seized the whole Jewish, Christian, Muslim and even secular worlds. G-D said."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nHe didn't bring about a Messianic age of peace and the Temple is still in ruins. I see no reason to worship a man.\nIf you have a different perspective on it, by all means, but if it starts with trinitarianism I'd rather not have you waste your time."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThe Kingdom of God has already come and still comes upon you. Every one of you has to reckon with it both in the here and now, and the life to come.\n> And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.-Luke 17:20-21"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWhy is there still loads of suffering then? Pretty shitty kingdom if you ask me"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nJW here. G-D said Jehovah's Wiccans (JW) exist."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\njohn the baptist is a messiah and his baby cousin jesus christ is a messiah for instance"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>trinitarianism\nYour own Torah witnesses against you. The Angel of the Lord appeared multiple times throughout the scriptures, and spoke in the first person as God. The Angel whom Moses told his name and gave him the teachings on Mt. Sinai [Exodus 3:2-4], who instructed him to build the tabernacle, who protected the people of Israel. The Angel who appeared to Hagar and Ishmael and whom Hagar called \"The God who sees me\" [Gen 16:7-14], the Angel who appeared to Gideon [Judges 6:11-23], the Angel who appeared to Manoah and after seeing it, thought that he would die, saying \"for I have seen God\" [Judges 13:3-22].\nLater Israelites knew this well and repeatedly used the Memra (Word) throughout the Aramaic Targums as the presence and active agent of God in our world. He is the same Logos (Word) in the New Testament Book of John. Israel has always been Trinitarian. Just not your pozzed Rabbis. God the Father, God the Word who precedes from his lips, and God the Holy Spirit. You can not differentiate the agent and energy of God no more than you can differentiate the rays of sunshine from the Sun. It is all God working with us through different means."}, {"id": 21, "content": "I'm racist towards god and his son."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\n>1 John 4:3 kjv 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\nMuhammed is the false prophet. Romanists are the whore of babylon.\n>[Rev 17:4 KJV] 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:\n\n>[Mar 7:7-9, 20-23 KJV] 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. ... 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.\n\nIf you muslim you should just convert to being an Ishmaelist Arab and believe on Jesus Christ to be saved and that he is the only son of God. Muhammedans won't do shit to an Ishmaelan Arab."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Cyrus was called messiah, but thats different to the davidic messiah.\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong, but Jesus never directly claims to be the davidic messiah in the new testament. He refers to Isaiah and how he fulfills messianic descriptions in Isaiah, but its not clear if thats the same thing as the davidic messiah or if Jesus was even saying \"look how I was literally predicted in scripture\" so much as \"look at how I fulfil these ideals and this character\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\n>Temple is still in ruins. I\nThe Messianic Temple is the Spirit of God making a home in men's hearts. Starting the real work of changing the destiny of man and their nature from within. It can't rushed with you or anyone else. Together, all of those who are called by his name are the House of God."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n>hides God's name with negative symbol\n>still refuses to use the plus sign in Israel\n>literally blinded to the true messiah because God said so"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nJesus fulfilled everything because he is God.\nHe said I AM. Aka I AM GOD."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nI go to all the trouble conceiving those 2 messiahs for solstice births and their 2 mothers deliver them late/early by 2 weeks, what a slap in the face. Wimin!"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">Jehovah's Wiccans (JW)"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">Jew here\n>Jew here\n>Jew here\n>I am writer for God here"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">Muslim lurker here... Just letting everyone know that we write God as a snake in Arabic, we want to marry little girls, we like dexterity based dual crossed scimitars we like 666 cubes and plan to control the entire world through religious domination not by free will to choose God."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nYou are! You are! Yea, yea!"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nHe didn't fulfill the requirements for Davidic Messiah . Also a human can't be God , it's impossible and doesn't make sense .\n\nHow can an infinite being become a finite being while remaining an infinite being ?\nMan a finite mind can't know anything at all about an infinite mind unless the infinite mind chooses to reveal itself in a limited way to a finite being , through its own actions . We can only know God through God's actions , like creation"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\nAny name of God isn't supposed to be written by Jews because the record is going to be destroyed at some point and that's forbidden.\n\nNot using a plus sign is just something some orthodox chose to do in the 19th century to avoid idolatry . The cross is used to represent God by Christians and Jews are forbidden from making any image of God"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/Mishnah_Niddah.5.3?lang=bi\nAbram married his 3 year old sister Sarai they say."}, {"id": 36, "content": "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse.\"\n\n\"Three years and one day old.\" Mishnah, Talmud"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/Niddah.44b.9?ven=William_Davidson_Edition_-_English&lang=bi"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>David Messiah\nYes, he did. David messiah would mean King David's sins are now forgiven. Jesus Christ forgave all sin on the cross. God saw all the sins of the entire world on the cross when he died. You would have to be an atheist or an antichrist and lie and claim that the messiah hasn't come already in the flesh."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\nI don't believe it. That just makes them crazy and they need to read this.\n>Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nJesus Christ tried to be God (as Satan always does);\nbut God forsook him, and Satan Jesus failed, again."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nI thought the claim was that Rebecca was 3 when she married Isaac?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nAbraham married a 3 year old, Muhammad married a 6 year old, and Virgin Mary married a 12 year old, Jesus."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\njoseph died when jesus was twelve so he married his mother"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome did..."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>8\nNeither did all those names scribed in the cemetry or on war memorials."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nso jesus had sex with his mom before he was born and then jesus had sex with his mom twelve years after he was born;\nand she was more than three years old and a day both times, so their marriage was valid from the get-go you're saying?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>35\n>>41\nhttps://www.simplybible.com/f80q-notes-rebekah-age-married-Isaac.htm"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>2\nMost kikes never did. Palestina was Christian because it had been settled by Christian Roman citizen after the Jews got rekt and expelled."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews hate carpenters."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>33\n> it's impossible\nImpossible for a holy, all-powerful, omnipotent God to show up on Earth in human form? God can do whatever He pleases. Just because you can't think through a way that's possible, doesn't mean that He can't"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>20\n>Deut. 6:4\nI'm not sure how any of that is meant to explain that Israel is trinitarian, to be honest. I feel like I'm getting a response to a question I hadn't asked."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome of them did, and became jivanmuktas. Others became part of a religions institution. Others stick to Judaism, even if Christ made it become obsolete.\n\nPic related is the Truth. You can feel it is the Truth deep inside. The Christ is in each and every single one of us."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n\nYeah... it's not like anyone was ever taught anything that they didn't already know.\nNobody needs to learn anything - We're all knowing already!\n\nFuck sake xD\n\nOodles of stupid."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nYou know, but do you remember? Can you use all the knowledge you have?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\n>Others stick to Judaism, even if Christ made it become obsolete.\n\n>18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law (torah law) till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nThe Truth was told. You don't have to be very observant to see that people don't care. That's why they live their lives in suffering. Even when the Truth is told to your face, you chose to ignore it, and then you ask yourself: \"why my life experience is so miserable?\""}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nI don't know why you're responding to me with that. There seems to be no correlation whatsoever. I posted how Jesus said that Torah law is still in place. He did not do away with it. It won't be over with until heaven and Earth pass away, until all is fullfilled. Jesus coming back as the Lion of Judah to fulfill the warrior end of the Messianic prophecy would be included in \"all\"."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\ni mean i'm not miserable at all and i don't believe what you said"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>9\nAre you really comparing a men forgotten by time with the most famous man who lived? Recognized by billions as the Messiah for thousands of years? Really?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nI'm beyond logic, and so should you. Put down all your limitations, beause they are not really yours."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is there so much WWII revisionism on this board?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>bad faith\n>best faith possible\nAnons, I think OP is a bit biased."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor it to deserve the term revision it would need to have a competent vision\nId suggest \"pseudo-history\" instead"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>For it to deserve the term revision it would need to have a competent vision\nThat's an impossible expectation when it comes to an imageboard."}, {"id": 5, "content": "At lest the Nazis were honest."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">At lest the Nazis were honest"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fastest transition to industrial society\nWrong.\nAlso they did lot of cocaine, especially during civil war and killed more people than nazis."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "James White’s lookin a little sus"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He's got that orthodog beard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOrthodox beards require right-faith. So no he just has the onions beard"}, {"id": 4, "content": "wait a sec…thats.."}, {"id": 5, "content": "der coomer physiognomy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwonder what his gooncave looks like"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\npatrick madrid body pillow"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">18th century reddit"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why did normies get so freaked out at the idea of a society that wanted to spread principles of rationalism and science?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nsame reason why conservatives won’t wear masks or believe in global warming today"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nreddit moment"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Sedevacantistbros, I was gifted something really cool recently. Check this out..."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Best part."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Also I have no clue why these are all being uploaded sideways. They weren't taken that way."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nVery cool. I really enjoy those old Christian books that cover struggles like that. Only loosely related, but it made me pull out an old book by Goodwin, mid 1600’s. On finding your way through the dark times and why they happen"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "My bible."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis book is so lame and boring it is one of the few which Mortimer J Adler abridged for the Great Books series. I bet it was only included for its historical context."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It's going to be his birthday in 24 hours"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon III was a pretty shit ruler anon, I'm not particularly looking forward to his birthday."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHEIL HITLER"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappy Birthday Uncle Addy\n>>3\nYou're not White."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nFuck off back to your country Josh \"Bongbong\" Hernandez"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHH"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was such a Taurus, on my momma"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nBased"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Germans are responsible for ruining this world\n\nthey are the epitome of subhuman and should all be killed\n\nonly by culling the Kraut can humanity (Europe) flourish"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThis except the graphic needs to include Attila."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nYup"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nEh, the Germans, as evil as they are, shake things up. Makes history more interesting."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nKys"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nhows the world revolution going?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>if you don't follow my failed ideology then you must follow that other failed ideology\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nreddit tier opinion\nHe was extremely based for 95% of his reign until he got btfod by the German princes. Do note that years prior he had mogged Austria pretty easily, he just assumed that the Prussian led Germans would be more of that."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\ngo bow to your nigger overlords you pathetic mutt aka amerikneeler lol"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>non-sequitor\nYou're a loser and normal people laugh at your \"ideas\"."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n>blaming Wilhelm II for the Great War\nNot really fair"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Bob Marley fan."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">supposedly one of the best generals of all time\n>can't figure out how to build siege engines"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should people who don't have children in school have to pay for public schools?\n\nWhat are other effective ways of funding or teaching students?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are Americans so obsessed with gutting every single institution in their country with some semblance of being first world?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's African tier logic.\n>police cost a lot of money\n>stop paying for police\n>society will remain the same only we'll save some money\nThey are genuinely incapable of realizing their \"solution\" will lead to a libertarian Somalia tier dystopia"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhy should somebody with no children have to pay for somebody else's kids?\n\nIt's not a thing such a taxpayer could ever benefit from, unlike a public park."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNot living around street urchins with no skills and a history of petty crime is pretty beneficial."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHow did people get to the 1800s AD without police?\n\nHow did they do it before?\n\nBailiff, sheriff, town watch, militia, or army not good enough?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nLet me guess, you need law?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThat is not the purpose of schooling.\nAnd how does that conflict with only the parents or step parents being the only ones paying for schooling?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\npolice is a verb. There were always some form of watchmen. Usually paid by the king via....... HOLY SHIT, TAXES."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes\nthe point is that everyone benefits from a more educated populace, or at the very least from keeping kids busy for 8 hours during the day and giving them a free lunch\nwould you prefer we had street urchins shitting on porches?\nof course in the us the public education system is shit but theoretically it's a good idea and it doesn't function if some people just decide they don't want to pay."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThe police are unelected, not answerable, and oversized.\n\nThey have powers a feudal baron wish he had."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nNo, not everyone benefits.\nBeing in a school is not a guarantee of education.\n\nWith unlimited funds, there is no pressure to succeed.\n\nSchools should not be daycares.\nFamilies should be caring for their own offspring."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI'd say enjoy the street urchins shitting on your porch but I know nobody will ever give a shit about your opinions so they don't matter and the potential street urchins will be spending that porch shitting time in school\ndon't reply to a post of mine ever again"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou obviously didn't take any reading comprehension lessons.\n\nA parent or guardian can pay their own damn taxes.\n\nA person without kids or their kids are all grown up should not pay taxes."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Public education should be abolished."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nDo you know how public schools are funded, retard?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>the point is that everyone benefits from a more educated populace,\nWhy do you believe everyone benefits from spending a decade and a half learning obsolete skills?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>obsolete skills\nLike what"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nno since most of the time at best those would only operate in the immidiate local area and would barely communicate with nearby forces, there is a reason why outlaws used to be able to skip town and start a new, its because it was much harder to catch them without centralized law enforcment"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nDo you know how to read?\nYou are a fine example of public education.\n\nThe funding of public education does not work in it's current state."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>outlaws used to be able to skip town and start a new\n\nBased.\nThey didn't commit any crime against the jurisdiction they moved to."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nAlmost everything."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nMy school taxes pay for a fucking football field and track that nobody except the highschool team gets to use.\nThe rest of the year it remains locked up with high fences, useless to everyone else."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey shouldn't. They also shouldn't pay for healthcare for people with avoidable issues like obesity.\nI hate how modern society rewards being a Machiavellian scumbag. Lie about being autistic or whatever and you get more time on exams. Be a hambeast -- get welfare from the government, free healthcare and more. Tax break until you are 25 years old? Fast track your life to maximize profits from that while people who spend more time in education, or those who were less fortunate in high school have to pay for your tax break as there enter workforce later. Everything about our system is pathetic, indirect and feminine."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy should you get retirement when you have no kids? You haven't replaced yourself and are relying upon other people's kids to pay their taxes to cover your parasitic ass. That's why you pay for their school now, it's called social contract."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nmen drink themselves to death at like 50 if end up not having kids. This is a non issue. It's millennials who don't have kids (they are yet to kill themselves)\nPlus you give so much fucking money to the government throughout your life that you deserve to get some of it back"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nExcluding the aberration of the last 30 years, in principle schools contribute to educated workforce and growth in innovation which benefits everyone, on top of evening out the income distribution in the society. Regardless of you have kids or not, your quality of life is directly correlated to whether people you live with in a society are normal or illiterate retards."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\nExactly. It's not even the primary purpose of schooling, yet we still enjoy that benefit among others. Meanwhile, if childless people didn't have to pay for public education, and would-be parents knew that they would be forced to pay even more to maintain the same standard of education, then our birthrates would drop even lower."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it just a Big Tent socialist arab party that devolved into dictatorial rule?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Arab Nazism except they literally hate Aryans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Had this idea come to me and now wondering what /his/ thinks of it. Are there also any writings from history and or science that kind of goes with this general idea about consciousness and whatnot?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I fucked your mom"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n:O"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me why this wouldn't work. Surely an infinitely kind and compassionate God would eventually forgive his creations at some point in time?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Christians want God's creation to suffer forever for finite crimes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Last thing a Vat II shill sees before his awful demise"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>shill\nSeems like you're the one who has to shill his protestantism-lite, sede boy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "False ecumenicalism VILL be eradicated."}, {"id": 2, "content": "So there’s no actual proof that the Dimond bros have any members in the “monastery” besides themselves, right?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No one has ever explained to me WHY the Pharoah enslaved the jews. Does anyone know why he enslaved... all of them? Why did he hate them so much, what's the history and how far back does it go?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't happen. Just like nigger civilizations."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Goddamnit why did you have to post this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't know Abraham, Joseph, & Moses?\nEgypt is basically Ham's most powerful city. God even chose certain cities to belong to Him in the Scriptures (modern day times applications).\nAt first they just lived there. They moved in due to droughts and famines and needed food and water. Egypt is on the Nile.\nAbraham's story is that he had tents, slaves, and resources of his own. His tribe was something impressive for all on his own, but Egypt was a big city by comparison.\nJob basically got upgrades, now Job has the same stuff Abraham had, but it includes tools and weapons from Egypt, and Royal access to Egyptian pyramids and things.\nThis taking place in Ham's regions was important because Father Noah cursed his son Ham. Noah did not just bless Shem first, what happened was Ham got in trouble first by exposing his dad's nakedness. Which is why black slavery exists after the flood.\nI imagine having something like a rainbow coat with bright colors back then would be pretty special."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThat didn't answer my historical question"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYou didn't close it off to answers of the faith. This is a board for both, gtfo nigger."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they would not acknowledge him as their god or a god at all , or as their king"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Didn't happen.\nThey didn't build the pyramids either."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey likely lost in conflict and were brought into slavery"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe reason for the enslavement of the Hebrews is closely related to the ancient Egyptians' view of the world. In order to maintain the integrity of the sacred Ma'at, the Pharaoh, who has a superior bloodline and divine legitimacy, must preserve the social hierarchy by enslaving non-pharaonic tribes."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>WHY the Pharoah enslaved the jews\nyou dont know how a bronze age society worked.\nExcept for kings, appointed rulers, priests and other elites in the country rest of the country were labourers and were slaves to the chosen elite. This was how it is in Sumeria too, farmer population were subserviant slaves to the local kings. Only exception would be merchants but being w merchant would be a literal suicide as you are risking being enslaved by a foreigner and/or being robbed by a marauder as you pass through the unprotected roads."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSo, if Israelites were ever enslaved, they werent especially enslaved. Bronze age society was a slave socirty and they were just yet another part of common subserviant labourer portion.\nCompare this to plebians that werent considered citizens (just like slaves) until reforms and serfs (literally deriving from latin servus which means slave) in medieval Europe"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPharaoh enslaved all types of people. It wasn't just Jews, even in that era. As the bible says, a \"mixed multitude\" were with the Israelites.\n>>9\nNo, they were part of well known migrations that many Asiatics underwent during the period. Some of these very Asiatics eventually became rulers themselves (the Hyksos). By the 16th century, the Hyksos were gone, but a lot of people who enjoyed their rule were stuck with new rulers without the same relationship. As the bible says, the new Pharaohs did not know Joseph or their agreements with Israel, and started harshly treated them."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nits right there in the bible. the new pharaoh had no idea who all these foreigners were and feared that they would multiply and become mightier than the egyptians."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Iit14918374\nIts explicitly written in the bible. The egyptians feared the Israelites would reproduce too much and ally with their enemies in some future war.\nThey only went to egypt because there was a famine in Israel but then decided to stay"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP here, sorry wrong picture"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>>12\n>>13\nbased understanders of bronze age mindset\niltam sumra rashupti ilatim"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nthey were enslaved compared to their nomadic pastoralist ancestors and cousins"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nI stand corrected."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nHistorically there is no answer. Exodus, Moses, etc it was all made up. There isn't a single (1) contemporary historical source that corroborates any of it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>4\nNoah was kind of a dick for passing out naked"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\nWho did"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe biblical account of the enslavement of the Israelites in Egypt is found in the Book of Exodus, which describes how the Pharaoh forced the Israelites into hard labor and enslaved them for over 400 years. However, it is important to note that there is a lack of historical evidence to support this account.\n\nThere is no clear consensus among scholars as to the reason why the Pharaoh enslaved the Israelites. Some suggest that it was due to the growing population of Israelites in Egypt, which the Pharaoh saw as a potential threat to his rule. Others argue that it may have been due to religious or cultural differences, as the Israelites were monotheistic while the Egyptians were polytheistic.\n\nIt is also important to note that the relationship between the Israelites and the Egyptians was complex and varied over time. For example, the biblical account of Joseph, who was sold into slavery in Egypt and eventually became a powerful advisor to the Pharaoh, suggests that there was a period of friendly relations between the two groups.\n\nThe exact history of the Israelites in Egypt and their relationship with the Pharaohs is a matter of ongoing debate among historians and scholars. While there is some archaeological evidence to suggest that a group of Semitic people may have lived in Egypt during the time period in question, the exact identity and origins of these people remain unclear."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nEgyptian wagies"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\nJoseph hoarded grain for 7 years, and when famine struck he made a great profit for the Pharoah!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true Davidski makes biased averages and we can't trust him? Is it the same with ancient samples? Just found it out."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKys, haplotard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHumanities. Seethe."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Haploshit\n>Humanities"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt's about lies and bias in science."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>It's about lies and bias in science.\n/sci"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nGenetics belongs to /his/, troon."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nA russian troon shizo, is it you?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>troon shizo\nObviously you. Begone, hijra."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "whats the real definition of the word nigger"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There has never been any convincing evidence of any gods."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yea but the monotheistic ones are extra cringe, ngl"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Meaning?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheists have no arguments against no theistic religions."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThats why its called faith."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntranscendence is evident\ntranscendent being is evident\ntranscendent being implies its own necessity, infinitude and perfection\ntranscendent being has to be one\ntranscendent being is being itself (ipsum esse)\nbeing itself (ipsum esse) is God"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>transcendence is evident\nWhy?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There has never been any convincing evidence of any gods.\nThere's far less evidence for the good of mankind, but it's something atheists quickly latch on to. Which was their real motive all along. The unrestrained, human centric experience, every man a hero of his own ego tale. Damn the results."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n1. because something cannot come out of nothing by itself\n\n2. because mutable substances don't have the capacity to be finished things within themselves. they are not the cause and principle of their own 'actus'. God is 'actus purus' and that's why substances can grow to be what they actually are and then die"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>God is real because I fell for the meme and believe in outdated Catholic metaphysics\nlmao yeah this one's a classic"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nnah he wanted convincing arguments. The ones I gave were convincing for many centuries and it took a genius like Kant to fully dismantle them, despite commendable past efforts. And Kant was no atheist neither.\n\nTo think that the idea of a God is a historical accident is silly. Every thinker must be respected wether his name is Aristotle, St. Thomas, Newton or Clerk Maxwell."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>human ego bad\n>human in the sky ego good"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nUsually a belief is grounded in something. Religion on the other hand have many things disproving their claims."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>because mutable substances don't have the capacity to be finished things within themselves. they are not the cause and principle of their own 'actus'. God is 'actus purus' and that's why substances can grow to be what they actually are and then die\nHow have you never taken a biology class and learned anything"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>something cannot come out of nothing\n>therefore Bible\n\nNo one knows the origin story of the universe, but it sure as fuck ain't jewish myths involving talking snakes."}, {"id": 16, "content": "you are likely too stupid to understand any of this, but for those who aren't it is / thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nWhat the fuck are you talking about. I'm just talking about the truth that we can observe."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\ndidn't/won't read.\n\nThere's no reason why the start of the universe is a bearded jewish sky wizard and not some natural process.\n\nAlso why is your \"god\" a he? Gods don't need to reproduce. The existence of genders in gods implies that we made them in man's image."}, {"id": 19, "content": "It always makes me laugh when people will make an argument fit the general idea of a creator and then in the next breath say it’s the god in the Bible without any argument to prove that."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>double digit IQ screeching\ndidn't read lmao"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\n>Usually a belief is grounded in something\nLol"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nReligion is an NPC activity, anon."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nwhat does religion have to do with math and science half wit? religions are just philosophies based on the interpretations of the math and science. Acknowledging there is a higher being and being religious are completely different things atheitards cant seem to process because just like the religitards they love to mock, they too are NPCs who can only regurgitate memes"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat is not an argument, but a dogma. This sentence shows your lack of creativity. The existence of God can't be proven nor disproven."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n\nYou are an idiot. There has never been any convincing evidence of any gods. If you claim otherwise, show us this evidence."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>what does religion have to do with math and science half wit?\nNothing, which is why it's wrong."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nNo YOU are the idiot, because you act like you know something you don't. How much research have you ever done into the \"proof\" for god? I will bet everything I own you have never even jewgled it. You are a mouth breathing moron"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n\nYou've found this \"proof\"? Show us."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>I will bet everything I own\nYou don't own anything, your mom owns it timmy."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nDo I look like your personal fucking tutor? kys you massively retarded fucktard"}, {"id": 31, "content": "\"...Heraclitus is said to have spoken to those strangers who wished to meet him but stopped as they were approaching as they saw him warming himself by the oven - he bade them enter without fear, 'for there are gods here too'...\"\n\natheists are strangers who will never be comfy until they take a step forward"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nNo, you look like someone without any argument. Which is what you are."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>\"...Heraclitus is said to have spoken to those strangers who wished to meet him but stopped as they were approaching as they saw him warming himself by the oven - he bade them enter without fear, 'for there are gods here too'...\"\nwtf are you talking about\n\n>atheists are strangers who will never be comfy until they take a step forward\nout of context similes aren't proof"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>wtf are you talking about\nAristotle motherfucker. Read a fucking book goddamn\n\n>out of context similes aren't proof\ni know. I just wanted to reiterate a 2000 year old sentiment because you're obviously not here to engage in theological discussions concernig the evidence for the existence of God. St Thomas himself could be posting ITT and you'd call him a retard"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>for the existence of God\nof which there is none*"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nWhat do Yeshua's cultists have to do with god?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>unknown\n0 arguments"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nI agree. You need faith and the case for faith can be made philosophically\n\n>>36\nBy 'Yeshua's cultists' you mean the Holy Church? In that case a lot actually. It's not a cult though"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n*by 'I agree' I mean the kind of evidence you're asking for doesn't exist. but other kinds of evidence do exist"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>the case for faith can be made philosophically\nExplain\n\n>>38\nYeshua was a heretical cultleader, christianity started when his followers coped when he got BTFO\n\nSaul himself says it with \"if there is no afterlife, then jesus died in vain!\", which he did."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>other kinds of evidence do exist\nSuch as?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\n>0 arguments"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>Explain\nNo.\n\nOff the top of my head:\nBook VII of St Augustine's Confessions\nKant's Religion within the limits of mere reason, third part, first section\nWittgenstein's Lecture on Ethics"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nYou’re like those communists that get questioned and say “it’s not my job to educate you”"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>“it’s not my job to educate you”\nbecause it isn't. i'm not a seasoned teacher and i'd probably fuck up such subtle arguments. I said the case for faith can be made philosophically because it has actually been made, and gave you examples. If I seriously wanted to explain this it would require the time and effort needed for an essay, not a 4chan post.\nI have too much respect for what these guys wrote down to let it be butchered by me on a shitty 4chan post that I know you would've just shoved off anyway, regardless of how elegantly i managed to present it, because that fedora is seriously heavy on you right now.\n\nbut i'm confident in the fact that pointing out those texts to you is 900 times better than just going \"ACKTCHUALLY THERE'S NO EVIDENCE\" on and on. If you're ever interested on the matter though, you won't be able to say that you haven't been told were to go. And i'm sure other people could mention many other texts too."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\n\nIf any of those were solid evidence of gods, they would be universally persuasive. They're not. You're just referring to a bunch of empty rhetoric."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nso, what you want is the language of positive sciences to talk about religion? is this more or less correct?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nIf someone tells me they have a Ferrari and they start saying shit like this when I doubt them I would turn 360 degrees and walk away.\nSimilarly if they said fairies were real.\n\nForget the word science exists. Prove the thing you claim is real is real. When you don’t because you can’t, strongly consider the possibility that it’s imaginary"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, my foot up your ass!"}, {"id": 50, "content": "Read"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>16\nAtheists dont believe something came from nothing. The universe is eternal"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>The universe is eternal\nBig Bang denialism entered the chat, the thread goes to trash from now on"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\ntruth is...the thread was shit from the start"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nThis is some good shit"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nThe big bang wasn't the beginning of everything, retard. It's just the rapid expansion of shit that already existed."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat about racial equality?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\n>from now on\nit was born with original trash."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>48\nWell said. You don't need \"science\" to disprove god, common sense suffices."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>15\nHow do you know?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>48\n>>58\nProve gravity exists."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nWell for starters, we know the world wasn't made as Genesis describes."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nhave you tried dropping something? or maybe falling down"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nSnakes lack vocal cords and the ability to talk."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFalse, because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And while the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people who do not already believe, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife. And NDErs talk about God running the afterlife. Therefore God exists.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust think you might burn in hell for eternity maybe you will be more inclined to consider"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nyou are a weak and fearful man with no self-confidence evidently"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\ncringe"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\ntruth hurts"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nI'm not scared of boogeymen. Sorry. Maybe you should grow up."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>64\nNDEs are the brain crapping itself. Nothing more than hallucinations."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nanyone whose taken good enough acid should know that this is possible as a mere chemical experience"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>65\nProve hell and immortal souls are real."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nno need to prove, you will just find out when you die ;)"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nmeanwhile you live a castrated life as a christian on the hope that you’re right"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>65\nAm I getting coal for Christmas too you peasant brained pussy"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you believe in a fairy dust that can magically shapeshift into various living beings?\n\nTell us more about your imaginary dust friend, OP."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nWhat fairy dust? You mean the carbon nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen that compose your body bonded together like everything else?\n\nThis is like a club for retards that failed science classes"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nFairy dust is analogous to your jewish sky wizard making things"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nfor real, we should just leave this site to the unwashed christian masses and congregate irl at our high paying research and development jobs"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>high paying research and development jobs\nmy lad you're a 4chan poster not a member of the academic community nor will you ever be one"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\nWhat a retard lol.\n\nThe human body is made up of living cells, if you lump a bunch of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen you don't magically create a cell you at best get a protein which is why abiogenesis has never been observed and will never be replicated."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nI was in academia and I work in R&D at a corporation, so suck it\n- Atheist"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\n>abiogenesis has not been observed and replicated, therefore the jewish god did it with magic"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">muh evidence\nlol\nEvidence and reason is for fags.\nA man that can be swayed by \"reason\" and evidence, is a man who can be made to believe anything if sufficiently convincing evidence is forged and presented to him by an \"expert\".\n\nA man of faith on the other hand is immune to such manipulations."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>9\n>1. because something cannot come out of nothing by itself\nWhy?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>the magic dust will shapeshift into a cell if we wait long enough!!!\n>trust the plan bro\n>2 more billion years"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nthe world puts itself into existence before it exists?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nnobody gonna make you change your mind if you don't want to"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>82\ntold y’all"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\nYou just said something can't come from nothing. How do you know?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>86\nyeah but what about the jew god and talking snake?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>59\n>plants were created before the sun bro"}, {"id": 93, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>80\nI was a C++ .NET college instructor"}, {"id": 95, "content": "What's weird is how many people on 4chan pretend to be religious to pwn the libs."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nYeah... The famous libs who browse 4chan."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\noh so you admit you are in a hugbox/safespace. Snowflake :)"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nThey don't have to be on 4chan for you to seethe about them, they're in your head rent free"}, {"id": 99, "content": "I dare you OP, I double dare you even, perform one of the rituals in this book. Get a .pdf and follow one of the rituals. Do it with the exact mindset you have now. Gods aren´t real, atheism/science is the only answer. Then come back and report your results. Would be fascinated to hear your experiences."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\nIt’s almost all you guys talk about."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nNot op, but I'll try it. Sounds fun."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\nPost the book"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>9\n>because something cannot come out of nothing by itself\n\nLike god?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nI have a physical copy. A .pdf can be found online."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\n>I have a physical copy\nPost a photo."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nWhy do you have a physical copy of a book you say is evil?"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>4\n>if theism was true, there would be evidence of gods intervening in people’s lives in a myriad of different ways and theistic countries would be better off than secular countries\n>there isn’t\n>theistic countries are shitholes compared to secular ones\n>concluded"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nWhere exactly did I say that book is evil? I never said not implied such a thing"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>105\nWhy? I'm at work, I'll post it in 4h30 if you really care that much, which I'm struggling to see why you would."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nI meant non theistic religions, as in anything spiritual without a god. Technically, they are also atheists but not the Hardcore materialist kind."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>90\n'Ex nihilo nihil fit'. it's a metaphysical principle that was made explicit a very long time ago. Parmenides no less.\n\nAnything that is is necessarily referred to a principle, cause or ground out of which it is, in which it is and by which it is explained\n\n>>103\nno. not like God"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nThat doesn't explain how you know that unless you're saying that you know that because Parmenides said so."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\ni formulated the principle (in a rather relaxed way, given). what is it exactly that you're asking?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>You just said something can't come from nothing. How do you know?\nRepeating that something can't come from nothing in Latin doesn't explain anything."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\n>Anything that is is necessarily referred to a principle, cause or ground out of which it is, in which it is and by which it is explained\n\nexplain how this isn't self-evident then. I didn't copy this from anywhere, it's just a formulation of that principle"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nExplain how it is self evident first. Otherwise I'll have to conclude it's self evident that you don't know what you're talking about."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>65\nReminds me of the old black lady that I encountered on a bus who told me to burn in hell because I refused her church pamplet."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe decline of Christianity in the western world has:\n>increased fatherlessness\n>increased abortions\n>spawned transgenderism\n>widespread homosexuality\n>riots\n>decimated the birth rate\n>increased divorce rates\n>increased materialism\n>severe loss of culture\n>commercialization of all tradition\n\nI’ll keep my imaginary friends thanks."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nI don't think it works when you know they are imaginary"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>90\n>>87\n>>85\nif there are no things (no physical laws)\nname the thing that stops something from appearing"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>9\nWhat does it have to do with any \"god\"?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy tulpa is technically an imaginary friend and neither one of us is stupid."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust because you didn't perceived it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I see miracles daily. Miracles that you ignore everywhere you go."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pic rel\nMy Catholic friend isn’t stupid. Don’t be mean."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>64\n>NDEs\n>>70\n>Nothing more than hallucinations.\n>>71\n>this is possible as a mere chemical experience\n\nNDEs don't prove a thing. And the best part is -even if Heaven were real, it would fucking suck.\n>pic rel"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere’s no convincing evidence you exist either. Look, I know you hate your father but I remember when I was thirteen years old, too."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Stalin:\n>hates jews and degenerate West\n>purges gays and trannies\n>meat eater and raging alcoholic\n>strong commanding personality\n>respected and feared everywhere\n>doesn't need to scream like an autistic girl to command terror\n\nHitler:\n>sponsored by Wall Street Jews\n>Nazis were known for crossdressing, NSDAP had literal gays\n>vegan with fragile stomach, total junkie always high on something, can't function without drugs like a sperg\n>fragile and whining weakling, the only good speeches were when he was high as a kite\n>literal feminist\n>simps for the West\n>not respected anywhere, even by his own staff"}], [], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically why aren't college Marxists as scorned by society as trad-right people?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because they never achieve any position of power so they mainly get laughed at"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNeither do Alt Right people"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Because they never achieve any position of power\n>Because they infiltrate lower rungs of power structures and insert themselves into liberal discourses to sabotage them\nFTFY"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The Crossing of the Rhine"}, {"id": 2, "content": "the Germans were perfectly happy to integrate into roman society, rome needed them to, but the aristocracy couldn't get over their prejudice against Germans and it cost them the empire\nwhy did they get over hating gauls but not germanics? we're germanics really that fucking bad?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>we're germanics really that fucking bad?\nyou slipped there mate"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nGermanics are just too based for the sissy Romans. We live tribute-free in their heads"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Pillage the country\n>Not integrate\n>Play emperor maker\n>Take over the West, everything Roman starts to fall apart\nGermanics were uppity shits that took advantage of imperial period of weakness. Compare with East, they managed to weather invasions of the Balkans perfectly well."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>but the aristocracy couldn't get over their prejudice against Germans and it cost them the empire\nLiterally not true. For centuries Germanic people were invited into the Empire and they integrated. They were not fine with Warlords and their armies roaming around with free reign, just like any state would be. Alaric and his Goths is not the same as the Alans of Northern Gaul. One of them is a warlord with an entire people trying to carve out a Kingdom from Roman territory and the other is a people who settled into Roman territory in exchange for military service in the army."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Japs with big eyes are Jomon-descended, right? Redpill me on their genetics"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the moral implications of compelled speech?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's weird that people potray troons as ugly freaks to shit on them. Like the delusion they harbour is not the problem but their ugliness. Does it not kind of apply that people will accept the presence of troons if they were all attractive women? I would say transgenderism would even be promoted if that's the case."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's exactly what this is about. Right-wing ideology is essentially 100% aesthetics, 0% content. It is very superficial."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nbecause depicting people as ugly/silly compels you to dislike them, its basic human behaviour\n>>3\ndelusional, its just that attractive/successful people are attracted to right-wing ideologies because they tend to promote \"you/we are the best! we deserve our success! go out and there and pull your bootstraps up the world is your oyster!\" and people who are rich/successful/attractive will start to think \"yeah thats totally me and i earned it on my own\" even if they were born into a wealthy family or whatever\nwhereas leftwing ideologies are attractive to unattractive/unsuccessful/loser types (and women because women are extremely sympathetic/empathic to a fault). like seriously finding an attractive left-winger is so hard, hasan abi is basically the only attractive left-winger on the planet and every leftie lives vicariously through him"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI think you are confusing \"temporarily embarrassed millionaires\" with successful people. I also don't think right wingers being mostly \"attractive\" is true when you look at a typical Trump supporter on twitter. I think the right wing ideologies attract wannabes and narcissists who think they are better than others without anything to show for it. Like your typical forklift operators who think they are gift to the Earth and retards who think they are movie characters from 50s just because they can fix a toilet."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Umm...we good and ur bad\nSad that someone can make it to adulthood with 0 nuisance in their perception of the world. Just low IQ sports team tier babble."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nnot being ugly is more important to trannys than the typical cariciture thoughever"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>that's exactly what this is about\nShut up, retard. What it's about is understanding how changing opinions actually works. All the argumentation comes after feelings like shock and disgust. No presentation of crime statistics or thousands of years worth of failed black civilizations will do more to shake the average person's faith in blackness than a few webms of blacks casually assaulting whites. People only remember how something made them feel, not what was said or done. Discomfort, disdain, laughing at things you shouldn't. All of these things are just time tested means of social engineering. Anonymity just allows it to go to a level well beyond what leftwing media has done to dehumanize rightwingers for the last several decades.\n\nChudjak is a great example of how the right weaponizes ugliness. The left holds up that image as \"this is you, an ugly person\" but unlike all the horrific troons, the chud is easily appropriated into something \"based\" for the right, because they're willing to go into uncomfortable territory that leftists cannot."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo one is compelling you to speak. It is your choice to be obsessed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nthe irony here ....."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n> All the argumentation comes after feelings like shock and disgust\nThis is what the right actually believes, because their so-called ideology is essentially 100% aesthetics right down to its core arguments, and then they seething when you directly point it out."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nThe fact that so many Tankies still defend North Korea (which has literally abandoned Marxism entirely) kind of indicates that the same applies to the Left. It's all performance and show."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nisnt that just because they get the photoshop treatment everywhere else?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>Chudjak is a great example of how the right weaponizes ugliness. The left holds up that image as \"this is you, an ugly person\" but unlike all the horrific troons, the chud is easily appropriated into something \"based\" for the right,\nThere's genuinely something to commend there. Everytime people try to make fun of /pol/, they just kind of roll with it and embrace the caricature. They know they're societal rejects, they revel in it, it's an actual counter culture"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nLeft-wing ideologies only attract narcissistic losers who envy and hate hetero white men. Being a leftist is just a copium over inferiority complex towards white man's civilization."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>openly hates people for being born brown or black\n>NOOOO THEY DONT ACTUALLY HAVE ANY VALID GRIPES THEY JUST HATE ME BECAUSE IM WHITE AND PERFECT\ncompletely disconnected from reality. An entirely narcissistic belief that your own reasoning applies to every disagreement you encounter."}, {"id": 17, "content": "I refuse to validate troons view of their \"true selves\" as the very notion of a \"true self\" is idealistic and therefore anti-scientific. I will NEVER kowtow to the neo-eunuchs.\n\nIt's like saying my dog is a woman because I had his balls removed"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThats exactly what I was saying. You are associating yourself with greats by calling it \"white man's civilization\" despite being a nobody. I am not even arguing against genetic differences but blue collar workers and wagies equating themselves with Napoleon/Alexander and thinking they are inherently better than others without anything to show for it is giga cringe.You think just because you agree with a ideology that supports the strong means you are strong."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>This is what the right actually believes\nThat is literally, hardcoded, what socially engineering is. Emotions first, then when in the vulnerable state people can be made to either form their own rhetoric or listen to someone else's. You are genuinely stupid if you don't know this."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpeech is violence, chud."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nI wouldn't hate niggers if they stopped acting like niggers. I wouldn't hate jews if they stopped making a mockery out of \"democracy\"."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nfake"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\nThat’s a lie. All the hot young people nowadays are liberal. Right wing ideology is for obese boomers and people who got bullied in school."}, {"id": 24, "content": "The loud presence of anti-trans conservatives in every corner of the internet making edgy comments disproves their controlled speech/censorship fantasy."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nThat doesn't even address what was said at all."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\nThe point with it is that men do not look like women and cannot look like women."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There is all this talk of Taiwan constantly, but why doesn't China invade outer Mongolia right now?\n\nThey have always claimed Mongolia, and right now absolutely no one would be able to stop them.\n\nThe Soviet Union would have fought a war in Mongolia to defend it from China, but right now Russia can't do anything to defend it and the Mongolian economy is subservient to China.\n\nIf they want to invade a preciously owned territory, why not outer Mongolia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause having a buffer-state between China, Russia, & the Stans is beneficial for China. China also doesn't need an extra population of Non-Han minorities and anything remotely important in Mongolia can be easily bought by China. As you yourself has stated.\n\nThere is also no Nationalistic/Cultural motivation as well. Mongolia has always been seen as barbarian lands, whereas \"LE UNIFICATION OF THE CHINESE PEOPLE\" makes up a lot of Chinese nationalism and history."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMongolia is of little value and threat compared Taiwan. Conquering Taiwan furthers Chinas interest in the pacific while at the same time removing a threat to the mainland. While conquering would draw international ire to something that brings little benefit to China"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina doesn't claim Mongolia"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why can't paper tiger into real tiger?\n\nEven Poland can afford a bigger expeditionary force."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThis. Ironically, the Taiwanese government does though."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>>2\nMongolia was part of China until Russia invaded it during the Russian civil war, the KMT never acknowledged Mongolia as independent and the CCP probably just recognized Mongolia as a temporary cuck move to garner support from the Russians. The same arguments about buffer state and lack of territorial value can be made about Tibet and yet they invaded Tibet because there was no Soviet Union on the other side to fight them over it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThey don't want the Mongolians, they want to be closer to the Siberian water reservoirs"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>Because having a buffer-state between China, Russia, & the Stans is beneficial for China.\nThere is an antire fucking desert that does that without any need for buffer states."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nAnd today nobody in China gives a shit about Outer Mongolia."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They have always claimed Mongolia\nThey stopped after 1949, and they didn't invade it when the Sino Soviet split would've justified it, and the government now are complacent social democrats, there's no reason for it"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 16, "content": "So /his/ is finally, after all the raids, a blue board /pol/."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nChina never recognized Tibet, and most countries recognized Tibet as part of China - even the west only switched that position once Mao won.\nWithdrawing recognition of a country you and everyone else recognizes and invading it is the kind of move that freaks out every country around and not just the westoid puppets/US bloc, and they don't want to deal with the diplomatic fallout."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nYep"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nAFAIK, no foreign nations recognised it as an independent state. But Britain did historically regard China as having suzerainty - and not sovereignty - over Tibet, which in 1943 Anthony Eden stated to the Chinese foreign minister was recognised as being under Chinese suzerainty \"on the understanding that Tibet is to be regarded as autonomous.\" This position changed in 2008, when David Milliband issued a statement recognising Tibet as part of the People's Republic of China."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\nFucking most retarded fucking shit I seen all week."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpeaking plainly, it is because Outer Mongolia is a useless shithole. It has some minor natural resources, but nothing exorbitant. About half of the entire population lives just in the capital, and that percentage increases every year. There are only about 4 million people in the whole country.\nTaiwan, by contrast, has something like 44 million people. It has high technology, heavy industry, great infrastructure, and so on. Taiwan is significantly more valuable than Outer Mongolia.\nAdditionally, the \"Taiwanese\" are mostly Han Chinese and share a common cultural/ethnic heritage with the mainland. This means it is far easier to claim Taiwan than it is to claim Mongolia.\nLastly, China already gets everything it wants from Mongolia anyway. Mongolia knows it is vulnerable for the reasons you yourself have identified. If China wishes to extract resources or deploy troops, they will allow it to. Presently, however, it serves a useful buffer-state with Russia."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nOuter Mongolia does have significant natural resources, and if China took it over, they wouldn't have to be shared with Russian and Western interests anymore."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nVery intelligent and insightful post, anon. I've never thought about it like that."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\njannies tongue my nigger anus\n>Verification not required."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause that would leave them alone against the US and its allies. Taking Mongolia right now would mean isolation of China from everyone."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina wants control over Taiwan to help maintain control over the surrounding sea because trade is useful. Mongolia is not useful, and certainly not as useful as having a friend on the world stage - even if that friend is Russia."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did Canada's leaf flag actually end up displacing the much more stately Red Ensign? How did this debate actually happen?\n\n>Hey guys; let's abandon the Red Ensign for a flag which is WAY SHITTIER!\n\nAnd Canadians said 'yes' to this? Why? What did the actual debate/discussion over this topic look like in 1965?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCanada didn't have an official flag; the Red Ensign served as the de facto flag of Canada"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">cuckstamp"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQuebec happened. Obviously appeasing the French Canadians was a necessity to try and keep the country somewhat cohesive, so the flag had to be changed to do away with the obvious \"YALLZ GOT CONQUERED NIGGAS!\" symbolism.\nAlso the fact that the British Empire was no more and Americanism was swamping Canada like a Tsunami."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nle this\nThis flag was never actually \"the flag\", it was literally improv. Strictly speaking, Canada's flag was the literal pure Union Jack itself still.\nThe Red Ensign is literally just what British merchant ships flew. The current Canadian flag is actually taken from the Royal Military College."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Love it or hate it the leaf flag is striking, unique, and instantly recognisable, along with representing the physical land of Canada in the most basic way. It's literally a better flag functionally in all aspects than the red ensign.\nThat being said, the canadian red ensign is kino\nAlso the two world wars did a number on Quebec. While not a pressing reason, there's no doubt that the flag change was in part to make Quebec shut up about anglo-imperialism for once"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">only the bottom part of the shield actually represents Canada instead of Britain or France\nhistory's most cucked flag, and it still had three leafs in there as Canada's national symbol"}, {"id": 8, "content": "https://web.archive.org/web/20190912202105/https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/flag-canada-history.html#a25"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomebody tried appeasing the French when the French don't fly the leaf flag anyways.\n\nGo to Quebec and the overwhelming majority of flags that are flying is the Quebec flag.\n\nIf you see the leaf flag, it's just at the post office and some hotels(not de ville or police).\n\nThere's more Canadian flags flying on the Vermont side of the border."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nGod, I hate the Quebecers."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen did Canada stop seeing itself as a domain of the British people and start seeing itself as an independent nation? What caused it?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nProbably with the US pushing it's decolonization shit in WW2."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSo American propaganda caused people to stop thinking of themselves as Britons living in Canada and start thinking of themselves as Canadians? Why didn't that happen sooner?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nBased anti-anglo Quebecers."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>Somebody tried appeasing the French when the French don't fly the leaf flag anyways.\n>>11\nAfter WW2.\n>>12 is a smoothbrained faggot. Do your own research"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Because why have some other countrys flag when you can have your own?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nGod, America is based."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAt one time, my friend. At one time."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\n>Strictly speaking, Canada's flag was the literal pure Union Jack itself still.\nvgh sovl"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>Flag has English red, but no French blue\n>Why aren't the French using the flag"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nPretty sure the French white is in the flag though."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nBlue is from Parisian colours, White is the official colour of France (not even memeing). Red/blue was colour of Paris+White was dedicated to colour of the monarchy... before they decided to murder him"}, {"id": 23, "content": "I actually like both flags.\nI'm more mad about the fact that they axed The Maple Leaf Forever as their national anthem."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\n>>11\nWW1 & Vimy Ridge were important for Canada's move towards sovereignty, WW2 is too late for the timeline ex: Canada automatically joined Britain in declaring war in 1914, but was given the choice to join Britain in WW2 (Sept 3 vs Sept 10 declarations)."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nNorthwest Passage is the deserved anthem"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>11\nVimy ridge.\n\nCanadian independence was a very gradual thing though. It was self governing in 1867, and gained control of foreign affairs in 1931. It gained full control of its constitution in 1982.\n\nThe King is simultaneously King of the UK, & King of Canada (and a bunch of other places). The same person wearing two hats (and more). So Canada is in a sense an independent kingdom with the same king as the UK."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe decision to replace the Red Ensign with the current flag of Canada, the Maple Leaf flag, was a contentious one that occurred over several decades.\n\nThe Red Ensign had been the de facto national flag of Canada since the late 19th century, but it was not an official national symbol. In the early 1960s, the Canadian government began to consider adopting a new flag as a symbol of the country's growing independence from Great Britain.\n\nThe debate over a new flag design was highly polarized, with many Canadians favoring the traditional Red Ensign and others advocating for a new, distinctly Canadian symbol. The debate intensified in 1964, when Prime Minister Lester B. Pearson formed a committee to select a new flag design.\n\nThe committee received over 2,600 designs from the public, and after much debate and consideration, it ultimately recommended the design that is now known as the Maple Leaf flag. The design features a red field with a white square in the center, bordered by two vertical red bars and featuring a stylized, eleven-pointed red maple leaf in the center.\n\nThe new flag design was not immediately accepted by all Canadians, and it faced significant opposition from those who favored the traditional Red Ensign. However, the Maple Leaf flag was officially adopted as Canada's national flag on February 15, 1965.\n\nToday, the Maple Leaf flag is widely recognized as a symbol of Canadian identity, and it is flown proudly by Canadians both at home and abroad. While the debate over the flag was contentious at the time, the adoption of the Maple Leaf flag is now widely regarded as a turning point in Canadian history, symbolizing the country's independence and its emergence as a modern, multicultural nation."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\n>colonial settlers from britain and france include the symbols of britain and france in their flag\nHow is this cucked?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>stately\n\nIts an unrecognizable piece of shit."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nCanada's an independent country and its flag should reflect this fact, instead of adding a cuck shield to the cuck stamp\nEngland, Scotland, and Ireland are already reflected in the canton, you don't need to give them most of the shield as well"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>9\nThere used to be issues where people would still our flags on Canada Day."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe red ensign is shit. Our current flag is so much better."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">import hundreds of thousands of paddies, wogs, hohols and balkaniggers\n>EYYYYYYY I DON'T FEEL REPRESENTED BY THE NATIONAL FLAG OVA 'ERE!\nDon't know what they expected"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>6\n>Also the two world wars did a number on Quebec\nDidn't QC contribute the least, proportionally speaking when all provinces are considered?\n\n>>23\nEven without lyrics, it's a damn fine tune. Definitely a shame it got dropped. 'Oh Canada' is fine though I guess.\n\n>>26\nThis.\n\n>>28\nIt's 'cucked' because an American retard can't wrap his mind around a sense of loyalty or an appreciation and recognition for one's own heritage.\n\n>>33\nIrish are repped on the flag, and most people with Irish background in Canada's ancestors came to the country around the time of the famine, some two decades prior to Canadian confederation. Despite what the Irish today believe, support for the British monarchy was actually quite high in 19th century Ireland - many Irish historians of today confirm this, and it was true in centuries prior as well (hence the English monarchists fleeing to Ireland during the English Civil War).\n\nAnyway, I can't stand the bitching from people like that. They showed up late for the milk and honey and think it's fine to piss all over the country's earlier heritage. Fuck them."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShould have went with \"the flag to suit the minority\"."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nPandering to whiny minorities is a Canadian national pastime.\n\nt. Anglo-Canadian with family ties in North America going back to the early 1600s."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\nNo it isn't. Fleur-de-lys against a blue background, as seen in the red ensign, wasn't something revolutionary Parisians came up with."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nYeah wtf is that fag talking about? Blue has been the French colour of choice since the medieval period, along with the Fleur-de-lys."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\n>No! You can’t identify with your racial and ethnic roots!\n>You need to give your loyalty to and identify with a rootless and consumerized state that breaks completely with its past!"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nYank cultural imperialism at its finest. Everyone has to act like them, apparently. But moreover it's that they despite that Canada was the loyalist country, which went to show that not everyone was down with their stupid 'revolution' which was largely predicated on bullshit."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>7\n>Acknowledging your roots is \"cucked\"\nThis mentality is literally why we will never be allowed to have a normal country with an actual identity aside from \"more liberal than the USA\""}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>11\n1931 is when Canada becomes an independent country for real.\nBut there's no real fixed date for the national identity to develop, it just happened gradually and slowly, it's kinda like hitting puberty."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>23\nMaple Leaf Forever as an anthem would make Quebec declare a full blown Jihad."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>27\n>symbolizing the country's independence\nYES YES\n>and its emergence as a modern, multicultural nation.\nOH FOR FUCKS SAKE AAAAAAA"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>34\n>Didn't QC contribute the least, proportionally speaking when all provinces are considered?\nThat's what he means. Quebec were a bunch of do nothings who refused to fight and they were mega butthurt about Canada fighting in the wars. As PET said, he didn't even know the war was \"a big deal\" until he went to the USA. Quebec just couldn't relate to Vimy Ridge nationalism."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>Quebec were a bunch of do nothings who refused to fight and they were mega butthurt about Canada fighting in the wars. As PET said, he didn't even know the war was \"a big deal\" until he went to the USA.\nFucking disgusting honestly. Home of Adrien Arcand and Lionel Groulx too, of course. Fucking Quebec."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\nI find it hard to imagine that Anglo-Canadians could have ever been anything else than a version of Americans."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNot familiar with the concept of loyalism, are we?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nLoyalist Americans are still Americans"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nLoyalism was a key foundational concept in Anglo-Canadian identity... so once they became Canadians, how were they still Americans?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nand pre-revolution Americans were still Brits, so what's your point?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nWhat actually differentiated loyalists from Americans other than the fact that they were loyalists?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThat came afterwards retard, as Anglo-Canadian identity emerged from the 1780s onward."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nWhat came afterwards?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nyou are correct"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\nBritish North Americans"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>10\nWhy?? That sounds based as fuck. Strong local identities are the future. Are you some sort of globohomo supporter?? Because as far as I know, they are massive lovers of ethnic, local and national identities."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nmassive lovers of ethnic, local and national identities' destruction and erasure*"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>they are massive lovers of ethnic, local and national identities\nlol"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nCanadians definitely aren't British, and I know this because I am British.\nWe just don't share all that much in common desu\nSports\n>Canadians play Ice Hockey and Basketball\n>Brits play Football and Rugby and Cricket\nCities\n>Canadian cities are big suburbs like Americans, live in detached houses or with skyscrapers\n>British cities are dense medieval ones with Georgian and Victorian era terraced houses\nDialect\n>British slang and phonetics is more similar to Australia and NZ and South Africa, say stuff like \"mate\", \"banter\", etc.\n>Canadians sound like Americans and say \"dude\", \"bro\", etc.\nDrinking\n>Canadians don't have British and Irish style pubs\n>UK and Ireland and Australia do\nGovernment\n>Canada is a decentralized Federal country\n>UK is highly centralized unitary state"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>Canadians don't have British and Irish style pubs\nYes they do.\n\nI've been to some in Quebec."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nThe UK does have less high-rise buildings compared to other countries, just like the rest of the Anglosphere."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat flag is literally the most bland, generic British colonial ensign possible and the modern one is actually a really well designed flag imo. Its straightforward and aesthetically pleasing. I've no idea why people hate it and like that mess other than some chuds getting wanting a blatant symbol of British imperialism to jerk off over."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>9\nQuebecers would be amongst my favorite nations in the world, if only they dropped that godless gay ass secularism and went back to catholicism."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>59\nRead>>58\nFag"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThey don't care about any kind of national identity outside of a vaguely Quebecois one, and they treat any kind of local identity that has diverged from that vision with disdain.\nt. lived there\n>>64\nI don't particularly care about it either way but their \"secularism\" disproportionately impacts and is enforced against non-christians."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>60\nThis, Canadians are the cultural brothers of Great Lakes Americans or PNW Americans or New Englanders depending on the region. Love you guys, but ethnically Canadian is about as different from rust belt cultures for example as Dixie culture is from rust belt culture. Doesn’t mean Canadian independence doesn’t work best politically though, just that functionally Anglo-Canadians are Americans, especially in the West where the rail lines, economy, and even much of the colonizing stock came from south of the border."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nDon't they feel any sense of common identity with French Canadians outside of Quebec?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>disproportionately impacts and is enforced against non-christians.\n\nWtf I love quebecois secularism now"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nYou retards should just unite and create the United States of North America already. VGH, imagine the power and geopolitical possibilities...\n\nYou new worlders are a bunch of retards. Its not like eurasia where every 2 meters you bump into a completely different and milenary nation. North America is of British Protestant origin and Latin America is of Iberian Catholic origin. Thats fucking it. South America should also unify like a catholic iberian version of the United States of North America."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>64\n>Go back to being a shithole\nUh non merci"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nRepent, faggot nigger."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>68\nIt's not particularly high on their radar. Nearly every francophone in Ontario has access to french services and NB is officially bilingual. The rest aren't very geographically concentrated."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nThis is an anglo disinfo agent, dont believe in his words."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>67\nEveryone calls Canada a British colony, but desu it's literally an American colony, in the original sense of the word colony. Anglophone Canada was founded by American Loyalists, and Americans continued pouring into the country throughout the 1800s. It's no wonder Canada is Americanized, they're descendants of American immigrants!"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nesti d’anglo, retourne a t*ronto"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>it's a colony of a british colony, not a british colony"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>63\nBecause it's a fucking leaf. A leaf is a portion of a tree which drops off and rots after a few months. There is no glory in that. It does not give a sense of the Canadian nation (heritage, history, etc.). It's just a generic placeholder."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nthe Red Ensign has three fucking leafs on it, and it's the only part of that flag that's unique to Canada. The Maple Leaf Forever was composed in 1867, the year of confederation.\nLeafs might be a lame national symbol but they are indeed Canada's national symbol."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nThey symbolize Canada’s vast nature, which by itself isn’t that impressive as far as flag symbolisms go, however Canada is a resource economy and taming the nature has been fundamental to the success of the country. Pairing that recognition with the design, it ain’t bad. Although I prefer the Red Ensign, especially as I see it as our call to Australia and New Zealand’s flags, the one major upside about the Canadian flag is that it is very and immediately recognizable."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>60\n>Canadians don't have British and Irish style pubs\n\nIs this a joke? These are all over the fuckin’ place. As for hockey, it’s worth noting that its recognized provenance is from games played in Britain and Ireland in the 18th century and before."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\nMec, je viens de Toronto, va te faire foutre"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>75\n>it's literally an American colony, in the original sense of the word colony\n\nThe primary definition of a colony is ‘a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country and occupied by settlers from that country.’ So, no, it was not and never was an American colony. Keep on coping though."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>60\n>>60\nWay to ignore the fact that Canada is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy just like Britain under your\n‘government’ header btw. Literally the exact same kind of government set up, as inherited directly from Britain.\n\nAlso, depending on where one is, Georgian and Victorian-era houses can most certainly be found. When I visited my relatives in England last autumn, my jaw dropped because I felt so at home with how familiar so many of the houses were. I grew up thinking those styles must have been uniquely Canadian, because I had never seen them in the states nor through any American media.\n\nYou clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. But you already outed yourself in that regard when you said that Canada doesn’t have any British or Irish pubs, which couldn’t be further from the truth, since there is most certainly a very strong Isles pub heritage in the country which is still present today."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>60\nRugby is more popular in Canada than you might think, anon… it’s not hockey, sure, but it’s definitely played across Canada."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>78\n>There is no glory in that\n\nFoliage has always symbolised sacredness and glory, why do you think Greek athletes and Roman generals wore laurel wreaths or German knight's crosses had oak leaves? Leaves and trees are cool. You've literally been gaslit into hating your own unique national emblem by a dumb 4chan meme."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>34\n>support for the British monarchy was actually quite high in 19th century Ireland - many Irish historians of today confirm this\n\nNot to derail the topic into Anglo-Irish relations (easily one of the most cancerous topics on this board) but aside from Protestant-majority parts of Ulster it would not be accurate to say that there was much active \"support\" for the British monarchy in Ireland in the 19th century. Many people pretty much just accepted it as a fact of life, but whenever there was any kind of popular political organisation, it was invariably nationalistic.\n\nThe 17th century and the whole Stuart and Jacobite era was a whole different kettle of fish politically."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nNo offence anon, because I do not mean to be dismissive or combative, but I’m going to stick with what my professor from a few years told me on the subject, with him being an Irishman and specifically a historian of the 19th century in Ireland. When I asked him (after having read it elsewhere) about Queen Victoria’s apparent popularity in Ireland during the period, he said it sounded correct and that, yes, she was quite liked there, and that it was only later that people (like Parnell) started to point the finger at her and even straight up make shit up about her in regards to the famine."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\nMaybe at some point in the past, some of that was so. But modern Canada is mostly immigrants and foreigners from 'the global south,' with no ties to Europe or its history. 'Old stock Canadians' are widely mocked and reviled by their own leaders and media, and are forced into humiliation rituals like 'land acknowledgements' in which they apologize for their ancestors ever having come to North America at all."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>But modern Canada is mostly immigrants and foreigners from 'the global south,' with no ties to Europe or its history\nHard to say since many come from former ex-colonies like the Carribean, have had contact with Euro culture or ancestry and other things. It's weird you post Somali's despite blacks being only ~3% and Somalis being a minority of that minority.\n\n>'Old stock Canadians' are widely mocked and reviled by their own leaders and media\nNot really\n\n>are forced into humiliation rituals like 'land acknowledgements' in which they apologize for their ancestors ever having come to North America at all.\nWeird take on it. you do know other colonial states also face their own histories too? Canada is no exception"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\n>modern Canada is mostly immigrants and foreigners from 'the global south’\n\nModern Toronto maybe, but the country is still 70% white as of the most recent poll data. We all know which way that number is going though, much to the celebration of people like those I mentioned at the end of >>34. I cannot stand people like that in my country. They show up and want to tear the whole thing down — no appreciation at all for where or what it came from. All they see and believe is that it belongs to them now.\n\n>’Old stock Canadians' are widely mocked and reviled by their own leaders and media, and are forced into humiliation rituals like 'land acknowledgements' in which they apologize for their ancestors ever having come to North America at all.\n\nI don’t know about mocked, but more like deeply and heavily hated upon for processes which we had nothing to do with ourselves. Of course we have been the primary beneficiaries of our ancestors, but now so too are the endless groups of immigrants who show up with their hands out. And still they have the gall to spit on us and act like they’re better than us. It’s fucking outrageous.\n\nBasically it boils down to “wow you guys are evil!!! Such horrible people!! Anyway, I’m here now so serve me what I’m owed for showing up and being a minority.”"}, {"id": 92, "content": "Con’t from >>91\n\nAs for the land acknowledgement bullshit, I actually don’t see lasting honestly though. They are becoming more and more recognized as phony performative virtue signalling displays which a) do nothing to benefit the lives of indigenous peoples and which b) are an easy way for those obsessed with their woke pious images to make themselves look good and to make it look like they’re doing something when they’re actually not. Also, part of the issue is that we’re basically just publicly announcing that these people were the second-last conquerors of the land, which when you think about it, is a fuckin’ joke. By doing them we’re essentially reminding them that they themselves have become conquered and defeated peoples, it’s almost like mockery towards them, especially since the government (despite all its put-on woke leftist pandering) will never, ever surrender any of the lands which now constitute Canada to indigenous complainers.\n\nEven learned indigenous scholars know this is bullshit too: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-doctrine-of-discovery-was-only-given-legal-life-by-the-united/"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>groups of immigrants who show up with their hands out. And still they have the gall to spit on us and act like they’re better than us. It’s fucking outrageous.\n>Basically it boils down to “wow you guys are evil!!! Such horrible people!! Anyway, I’m here now so serve me what I’m owed for showing up and being a minority.”\nlol Is that what you really think?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nBecause capitalist globalists sold this country down the river in the 60s, and ever since then it has become a hotbed of self-loathing whites feeling like they need to compensate for past crimes which their ancestors didn’t even necessarily commit. I hate to say it, but we brought this kind of stupidity upon ourselves when we abandoned our earlier sense of identity as a British enclave nation."}, {"id": 95, "content": "Con’t >>94\n\nYou don’t even want to imagine the amount of cunts (usually white women but not also more now women of colour too, and some men as well albeit less) I went to high school and university with who were the kind of stereotypical eternally outraged, self-loathiny, woke bleeding-heart ideologues who act like we owe everyone everything and like white Canadians are the worst and most evil people in the history of the world."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>ever since then it has become a hotbed of self-loathing whites feeling like they need to compensate for past crimes which their ancestors didn’t even necessarily commit.\nI never see that in my day to day life.\n\n>I hate to say it, but we brought this kind of stupidity upon ourselves when we abandoned our earlier sense of identity as a British enclave nation.\nAnon a ton has changed over the years that basically made the ties thinner over time and political interests of the Metropole in Europe clashes with local interests in NA. I don't think anyone would really like being an exclave of a dwindling power."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>The story we should want to hear is the truth: It was a long and complicated relationship, but it only came truly undone once the British went home, and the young dominion government of Canada turned its back on centuries-old allies and partners.\n\nHe's still saying that it was rather Canada that broke the treaties"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\n>I never see that in my day to day life.\nI envy you then. Like I said, I crossed paths with tons of people like this while obtaining my upper education(s) over the past decade. I’m from Toronto though and basically everyone I know is a GTA-er, so, big surprise right?\n\n>>96\nFair point, but it seems to be working just fine for Aus and NZ, even if it’s just on the surface through their flags — it still sends the message of recognition and comfort with their roots and past. We on the other hand have devolved into ceaseless self-loathing and guilt shaming, it’s pathetic."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nThe main part I was referring to was when he said how most of the land that constitutes contemporary Canada was acquired fair and square."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>it still sends the message of recognition and comfort with their roots and past.\nThey aren't exactly 100% positive either, many don't like it when British people go abroad and think they own the place or that they forget that they too are immigrants.\n\n>We on the other hand have devolved into ceaseless self-loathing and guilt shaming, it’s pathetic.\nCanada isn't even exceptional on that front at all. M Any in NZ bemoan the fact that you have to go to Australia to get good wages or jobs on top of the sheer remoteness of the NZ state in question."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n>many don't like it when British people go abroad and think they own the place or that they forget that they too are immigrants.\n\nI used to work in tourism and never met any Brits like this. It is more a kind of harmonious nod of recognizing we're ultimately all members of the same provenance with similar values in addition to our formal connections as nations through the crown and so on - things that go beyond just speaking the same language.\n\n>M Any in NZ bemoan the fact that you have to go to Australia to get good wages or jobs on top of the sheer remoteness of the NZ state in question\n\nOk but what does that have to do with guilting white settler descendants...?"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>60\n>Government\n>Canada is a decentralized Federal country\n>UK is highly centralized unitary state\n\nCanada is nowhere near as decentralized as the US with all its little states, and the provinces of Canada do theoretically have quite a bit of free reign, but there's actually quite a strong centralized government in Canada as well. Federal power is quite strong in each province, and unlike the US where one state can have different laws to the next, Canadian provinces are virtually identical and almost completely uniformed in these regards, Quebec being the only outlier. I can't really see it as all that different from Scotland, NI, Wales and England - Quebec might be like the Isle of Man or Scotland in this comparison."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>78\nAs opposed to a fucking Irish Clove, a Scottish Thistle, an English Rose, or a French Fleur de Lis?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>81\n>As for hockey, it’s worth noting that its recognized provenance is from games played in Britain and Ireland in the 18th century and before.\nYes it's true, we play Hockey in Britain, but it's distinctly not Ice Hockey. Obviously ice hockey derived from original field hockey, but the two games require different skillsets and have vastly different fanbases these days.\nIn Europe, only Russians, Nordics, Czechs, Balts, and some Germans play Ice Hockey."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>83\nA colony is a settlement of people, retard. Why do you think the Romans called settlements Colonias?\nIf 100 Americans plop down somewhere and set up a settlement, that's a colony of Americans. The political control of the area has nothing to do with it."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA LEAF!"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>103\n>a random leaf is an equalivant to flowers\nis this guy serious"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>103\nOnly one of these has been feautured prominently in flags, the Fleur de Lis, still present in the flag of Quebec. However, it is an ancient heraldic symbol of the Capetians, going back atleast as early as the 12th century. And as the other anon implied, flowers are better than leafs."}, {"id": 109, "content": "A a fall foliage aficionado, Canada's flag is the best one."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nAs a*"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>107\nWho cares, at the end of the day they're both botanical symbols.\nCanada is known for its forests and cold winters, an Autumn leaf makes perfect sense for them. Much like how Germany is represented by Oak tree leaves. Italy is represented by Olive tree wreathes.\nI'm British btw, so I'm not even some butthurt Canadian."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>88\nIts a complex scenario. Some people held out hope that the monarch, as a sort of detached and apolitical figure, would advocate on behalf of the common people of Ireland as her subjects, even against the landlords. This attitude even persisted on constitutional nationalist politics with the hope that the realistic, respectable path to independence meant Ireland becoming a self-governing part of the empire with the monarch as a sort of neutral arbiter of Anglo-Irish relations. You still had that idea to a certain degree with early Sinn Fein (who proposed a dual-monarchy like Austria-Hungary) and the Home Rule crisis of 1912-14.\n\nIt still needs to be emphasised I think that the attitude towards the monarchy wasn't the same as what we'd call unionism or loyalism today, which some people might like to make it out to be. There was always a prevailing current of dissident politics. In the first half of the 19th century you had anti-landlord so called agrarian societies, the Ribbonmen, the Whiteboys, the Rockites, etc. which had popular support among the rural common folk. Then later on with the expansion of franchise and the secret ballot, popular support for the Home Rule Party and the Land League exploded. All the while more radical groups like the Fenians and the Young Irelanders were a persistent undercurrent. On the other hand here was simply no popular political expression of what we'd call unionism today in Catholic Ireland.\n\nAs for your professor, the thing you have to be wary about with a certain generation of Irish historians is that they fall under the so-called \"revisionist\" school of Irish history. It emerged around the late 60's and is sort of a twisted local version of the New Left and critical theory. Instead of critiquing imperialism and colonialism like in other countries, they took it upon themselves to attack nationalism along with Catholicism and Irish social conservatism in general."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>9\nAre you seriously blaming Quebec for the leaf? Holy fucking rent free batman"}, {"id": 114, "content": "I prefer this one"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>45\n>WHY WON'T THE FRENCH GOYIM DIE FOR ISRAEL??\nKinda based if you ask me"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe main desire for changing the flag was specifically to avoid the baggage associated with the union jack, as Canada was gaining notoriety on the international stage, more and more instances of other countries who had been wronged by Britain in the past would see Canada as another one of Britain's lackeys and would make diplomacy more difficult (see the Suez Crisis for example)\nThe leaf is kinda basic and ugly but at least it's recognizable and doesn't have the union jack's baggage"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\n>Americans think Israel existed in fucking 1914\nOkay you guys can stop pretending to be retarded now, come on"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are optimismfags optimistic about when death is inevitable? You will die, your loved ones will die, and the universe will die."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are many wonderful things to be optimistic about, even if they're bound to death. I can enjoy the love of a lifetime, the beauty of a sunrise, or the delicious taste of a meal -- even if they all eventually perish.\n\nLife is brief, but it is not worthless."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Life is brief, but it is not worthless."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI didn't choose to be born and I won't choose when I die. What I can choose is to have fun with the in-between."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>What I can choose is to have fun with the in-between."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThe laughing frogs won't help you deal with your existential dread, anon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>5\nYou're free to kill yourself anytime. Practice what you preach."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAu contraire, laughing feels good"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What are optimismfags\nDo these exist anymore?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOkay, whatever. Why the hell would I choose to cry and shit myself like a baby, if I could also have a good time and cherish my life? Why the hell would anyone torture themselves for no gain?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">You will die, your loved ones will die, and the universe will die.\nalright so"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYet you still choose to live, you negative faggot"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">What are optimismfags optimistic about when death is inevitable? You will die, your loved ones will die, and the universe will die."}, {"id": 14, "content": "I like life if I try to like it. Am happy if I try to be happy, and it stopped being a thing I needed to want to do long ago. The people who carry existential with them everywhere they go are miserable and unhealthy. I got one life afaik, not gonna spend it being a wet blanket. Like all women."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Why should I believe that death is real? I've never died."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Then Christ Jesus will rise me up and I will be with God in heaven for eternity"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\ntry reading some existentialism anon, Kierkegaard and Nietzsche are a great place to start :)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m optimistic BECAUSE death is inevitable, retard."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Nietzsche\nHe was a pre post-modernist, not an existentialist."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You will die, your loved ones will die, and the universe will die\nSo? Doesn't stop me from enjoying my life, sounds like you have a skill issue."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would I, knowing that I have a limited time to exist, willingly choose to spend that time being miserable?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nno, just no"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAn end to my misery."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>>20\n>>13\n>>12\n>>11\n>>10\n>>7\nWhy do I always get this cop-out response like you fags actually enjoy life"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\ni do enjoy life"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is eternal. Cheer up."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause you don't have a choice. Cry and die or smile and die.\n\nSame ending, different journey. However one is a lot more funner than the other.\n\nIf you were living such a good life it is unlikely you would ponder such a question. Maybe take steps to obtain a state of contentedness and fulfillment? Try working on your mental and physical health and less screen time."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd isn't that reason enough for optimism??"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\nsuit yourself weirdo\ni'll continue to enjoy life, may you do the same"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nIn 5000 years Yahweh will be completely forgotten along with all the other gods to give room for the new gods in town if humanity is even alive by then.\nWow so eternal."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>two more weeks"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is Saint Brigid holding?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "A cross?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSoothing to chat gpt:\n\n\n>In many hagiographic icons saint Brigid is shown holding something like a bowl with flames coming out of it. What is that?\n\n>The depiction of Saint Brigid holding a bowl with flames coming out of it in hagiographic icons is a reference to a famous story associated with her known as the \"Miracle of the Eternal Fire.\" According to the legend, Saint Brigid was able to keep a sacred fire burning perpetually in her monastery in Kildare, Ireland, during the early medieval period.\n\n>The story goes that Saint Brigid requested land from the local chieftain to build a monastery, but the chieftain refused. Undeterred, Saint Brigid asked for a smaller piece of land that would only be large enough to build a small chapel. The chieftain granted her request, but he also made it clear that she could only have enough wood to build the chapel, and the wood was to be used only once. However, Saint Brigid built the chapel using only one bundle of wood, but the fire that was lit during the consecration of the chapel remained miraculously burning for years, providing warmth and light to the monastery.\n\n>The bowl with flames coming out of it in the iconography of Saint Brigid represents this miraculous fire that burned perpetually in her monastery, symbolizing her holiness, purity, and her special connection to the divine. It is often depicted as a bowl or a cauldron, and the flames emanating from it represent the eternal flame that was said to have burned in her monastery, even though it was only fueled by a single bundle of wood. This iconographic representation of Saint Brigid with the eternal fire has become a significant symbol associated with her and is commonly depicted in art and icons depicting her."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSoothing = According"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShuriken, duh"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepending on the hand you’re talking about, either a bowl with something in it that’s on fire, or a cross."}, {"id": 7, "content": "[CRUZ DE CAÍN] + [CRUZ DE CRISTO] = CRUZ DE SANTA BRÍGIDA."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne hand is a special cross associated with her.\n\nThe other is a big fire, as she was often associated with eternal fires. Many monasteries bearing her name had them, until King Henry VIII shut them down."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe goddess Bride's symbol is in her right hand, and her forge fire is in her left hand. St. Brigid is the Irish Catholic Christianized version of the goddess."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>eternal fire\neyy, that is Zoroastrianism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "John Maynard Keynes was 6'7\". Milton Friedman was 5'0\". Therefore, Keynesianism>Neoliberalism. Any questions?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It was obvious. Why do you think it was called \"keyed\" instead of \"based\"?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nphysiognomy check"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy are you incels so obsessed with looks?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPost face and I will answer"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI want to see your beautiful physiognomy first."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nWell Keynes was a weird looking dude there's no denying that"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI'm waiting."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Give me the skinny on Buddhism, it seems like the chilliest major religion out of them all but there has to be some cons that I don't know about."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Dumb autocorrect, I meant chillest not chilliest."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“Chillest” in what way?\nBeing purified by torment in hell for a quadrillion years (not an exaggeration) isn’t very chill. Unless you mean it in a western approach to Buddhism, which is basically just feel-good atheism."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThese are the types on cons that I'm looking for, tell me some bad shit. Also, when I say chillest I say that because I don't think I've ever seen a Buddhist monk that wasn't super chill and that attitude has to come from somewhere."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNo buddhism is insanely hard, it's just they dont give a shit about societies and normies. Here are the major 2 branches of indian religions. Hinduism and Mahayana, Zen, Vajaryana are a monistic Universalism: the totality exists and nothing else. There is no multiplicity, everything is absolutely identical. THis is qualified of ''acosmatic''\nThey mix this view with a huge amount of symbols, incantations, rituals, worship, idolatry, mantras, deities, chanting,entertainment reading with lengthy Scriptures with thousands of verses, sacrifice and sacred objects, and rules for lay people in order to create a religion.\nFor the Hindus and mahayanists, people have the knowledge that they have a true nature, but people are misguided on what they take as their true nature. This is why the Hindus say that people are already enlightened, they just do not know about it... The true nature of people is not the 5 senses or their objects, but the mind itself with the world [loka] itself identified with the cosmos, or their deification of this, ie their Brahma or their Buddha or non-duality, and when people realize this they are enlightened. The way to realize this is by relying on lots of sacrifice, chantings and rituals, also on material objects which magically purify the minds for them, like sounds, logic, mantras, little beads, amulets.\nMahayana-Hinduism tries to make a human society, some political system too.\n\nIt is only when there is a allegedly good creator [a god or just ''nature''] that it makes sense to ask the usual question ''why the cosmos produce things which do not know that they are the cosmos?'' ie ''why some good god did not get people to be born directly enlightened? instead of being born unenlightened which produces lots of suffering?''"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThere are definitely plenty of hardass monks. The Buddhist elite in Tibet were notoriously abusive and exploitative, and there is an active genocide in Myanmar being aided and perpetuated by Buddhist monks. Most generally are easygoing but Buddhism isn’t meant to be a kumbaya, feel-good, hand holding pseudo atheistic way of life. There’s a whole cosmological side to it that often gets lost in translation to the west, and requires a lot more devotion and committment than what a lot of westernized religious people are used to."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n\nSo far the Hindus have no answer to this ''problem of evil''. The Hindus keep replying with their main thesis, ie ''because people do not know their true nature, which is pure primordial mind and cannot be described'' and that's their pathetic cope...\n\nin Buddhism, there is no non-duality, people do not have a true nature, people are not the cosmos, people are not Brahma, people do not come from Brahma, people are not nibanna, people do not come from nibanna, people are not Buddha, people do not come from a buddha, people are not their mind, people are not loka, people are not born already enlightened. In Buddhism there is only craving for pretty things and the pretty ideas of having ''a true nature'', and there is the opposite: a lack of craving for pretty things and pretty ideas. People get enlightened when they stop craving for those. The way to get enlightened is to purify the mind, however not with useless incantations and rituals nor with magical objects, nor worship, unlike the Hindus do, but with the mind itself, ie all the time inclining [with the mind] the mind towards what the buddha calls good qualities and then directly knowing the mind as it really is, which is anicca, dukkha, anatta [contrary to what the hindus say], which is the condition for dispassion, dispassion which is the condition for liberation, liberation which is the condition for direct knowledge that dukkha is ended."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ultimate goal of Buddhism is to escape the vicious cycle of rebirth and reach the Nirvana. However, to do so, it's necessary to abandon all desire and all emotions, including love and compassion, which can cause pain."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n> there is an active genocide in Myanmar being aided and perpetuated by Buddhist monks.\n\nLiterally jihadi propaganda"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Don't practice meditation if you're not an easterner. It will negatively impact your personality and mind. Look at the meditators in the west. All deranged."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>However, to do so, it's necessary to abandon all desire and all emotions, including love and compassion.\nSounds like I'm fucking ready."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI dont meditate like white women and schizos I just do 10 minutes to clear my head a little and I go through the day less anxious. I doubt I’m doing it in a correct way but who cares"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nHow do I get enlightened if I want and need food and water to survive?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>TikTok addled westerner clears his mind for ten minutes\n>AHAHAHAHAHAHA IM GOING INSAAAAAANE\n\ndo sharts really?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>cons\nthe whole thing is essentially a method of metaphysical suicide. Buddhism is based on the belief that life sucks so much that you should try to kill yourself on a spiritual level to prevent yourself from ever coming back and experiencing it again. at least that's how i see it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI truly believe that people use Buddhism as something like an API to Christianity. Our entire culture is build around it whether we like it or not, but you seem like more interesting person when you say that you follow teachings of Buddha then teachings of Jesus. Modern people like to hijack Buddhism because they can sense that it is \"true\" and what I actually mean is that it covers similar problems that are already laid out in our culture.\nExamples:\n> Life is suffering - this is the main Buddhist message, but it is no accident that in Christianity the main story is about a guy who was killed in the most brutal way possible in spite of that he done nothing but good his entire life. That is a story of anyone's life.\n> Attachment is the main reason of suffering - now, this is a moment when things get interesting. No westerner will follow this message to its limit, because we have to many cool shit to abandon them. I like this example: If you told white woman, who calls herself Buddhist, not to own a dog because she will get to attached to it and when it dies she will suffer (which she want to get rid of due to her \"religion\"), she will call you crazy because dogs are cute and so on... It the west, I think, we have better idea. In Mt 10, 20 Jesus is basically saying that we should abandon these things that are holding us from becoming who we could be, because in principal what we could be is better then who we are now.\n\nI can go so on and so on, but I think you get what I am saying - it is easy for people to pick up Buddhism, because you can strip it from its metaphysics like reincarnation and something like 30 hells cause you are basically borrowing it from other cultures that you are not a part of. Modern western buddhist are actually Christians in disguise but they refuse to admit it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>it is easy for people to pick up Buddhism, because you can strip it from its metaphysics\nBuddhism as a philosophy, sure. You could even call it trendy.\nAs a religion though? That'd be like calling yourself a Christian despite having never read a single page of the bible.\nI doubt many western buddhists actively seek to escape samsara."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nVery interesting take."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>skinny\n>Buddha\nhahaha"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThe fat laughing monk statues that are frequently seen are not of Siddhartha Gautama.\nThey're of Budai who lived about 1500 years after the Buddha."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\nHuman rights orgs don't say so"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttp://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Index.htm"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nHuman rights orgs are jihadi simps"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who were the most chudjak-esque people in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "btw the \"melting pot\" is a reference to Jesus/Esau/Edom (aka USA) burning in a pot of boiling excrement. It's a joke meaning."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I don't know but we all know the most Aryan of people in history. Pic related used to decide who was and wasn't subhuman vghhh"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nare genes a race yet"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Germany Must Perish"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe most chudjak-esque person in history is undoubtedly the “madman” Nikola Tesla. He was a misunderstood and under-appreciated genius who was ahead of his time. A real legend!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\ndefine man like im a retard"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nhe doesnt looks like a chudjak"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Th former god of the Japanese people"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://incels.wiki/w/Arthur_Schopenhauer\n>Schopenhauer was not an incel. He had various love affairs throughout his life, not rarely with women much younger than him. He never married because he perceived monogamy as too limiting, so he was more of a Chad style misogynist than an incel misogynist; he was, however, mercilessly rejected by a 17 year old girl when he was 43."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nhe got that fresh fade tho, sheesh. No cap."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nNot a chudjak,\n\n>His forehead is too big (full of creativity)\n>head width expands up the face (big intelligence)\n>recessed chin (not actually recessed just big brained)\n>Closely centered eyes, small cluster (serious focus)\n>fat under chin (Amphibious, buoyancy points head upward towards water)\n>glasses (Lost the ability to see a few feet in from of him from disuse (Uses large ears for echolocation)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n> Schopenhauer occasionally had sexual affairs—usually with women of lower social status, such as servants, actresses, and sometimes even paid prostitutes.\nLol, dude just paid hookers to fuck him."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Lev Bronstein"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYoung Hitler."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nHe looks kino and rizzing fr, doesn't resemble the chudjak/John Oliver phenotype"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nNormal\n>>9\nNormal\n>>14\nLooks like Satan had an autistic half child with a gremlin\n\n>>5\nLooks like a literal cannibal\n\n>>1 (OP)\nUnholy shit balls"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nwhat zero pussy does to a man"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nright isn't even hitler"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nThe elusive black chudjak"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nBut he was a regular whoremonger"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\n>describing people who lives over a century ago as le heckin' chad mysoginist"}, {"id": 23, "content": "is the chudjak just a Jewish caricature? I know it makes /pol/ seethe but I've never liked it, feel like we can do better than \"you're ugly and dysgenic\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So I was curious to the heights of various political figures and writers and found that the number of political radicals who were 5'10\" and above are very few.\nDuring the second world war for example, two of the most reasonable leaders, though fiercely nationalistic, were De Gaulle (6'5\") and FDR (6'1\"), followed by Truman who was 5'9.\n\nLenin and Stalin were between 5'5\" and 5'6\" (lmao) as was Hirihito and Churchill.\n\nMarx, Hitler, Mao, and Trotsky were all reportedly 5'9\"\nGoebbles and Gramsci were both 5'0\" complete manlets\n\nMy theory is that people who are shorter than 5'10\" or 5'6\" depending a nation's height are inherently spiteful.\nSo, should be ban the short from politics? Clearly they've proven themselves too dangerous to lead and too muddled in their thought to be trusted\nMoreover what is the historical precedent for the short being so awful at ruling?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Normies / chads go through life with no privation, loneliness, poverty, or mistreatment. They're like the Eloi without a care in the world. They don't feel the need to change anything because the state of affairs suits them nicely. Weirdos, manlets, schizos, incels, etc see the problems in society and have often been genuinely affected by them, which makes them skeptical of normie ideology and engage in more esoteric or eccentric positions. Low social status people have basically nothing to lose. Yes, an middle-class financier or lawyer with three children could possibly go on a public rant about a fringe ideology, but it's career / life ending. A schizo, itinerant, childless, manlet incel such as Hitler could rant and rave all he wanted there was literally nothing to lose."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope. Manlets always shape the history\n>>2\nThis"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHeight has no correlation with serotonin levels so stfu"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Manlets always shape the history\nAhem"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Manlets must DIE"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI was never asked to be a 5'10\" spic (or given growth hormones before my growth plates fused)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no evidence to support the claim that individuals who are shorter than 5'10\" or 5'6\" (depending on the nation's average height) are inherently spiteful or unfit to lead. Physical height has no correlation with intelligence, leadership ability, or moral character.\n\nThe notion of banning individuals from politics based on their physical characteristics, such as height, is discriminatory and goes against the principles of democracy and equality. Political leaders should be chosen based on their qualifications, experience, and policies, rather than their height or any other physical characteristic.\n\nHistorically, there have been successful and respected leaders who were shorter in stature, such as Napoleon Bonaparte (5'6\"), Julius Caesar (5'7\"), and Alexander the Great (5'6\"). Height has never been a determining factor in the ability to govern effectively.\n\nIt is important to base political judgments and decisions on facts and evidence, rather than stereotypes or discriminatory beliefs."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nwhy post a chatgpt response here? You know the style is very obvious to detect right?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> two of the most reasonable leaders, though fiercely nationalistic, were De Gaulle\nLMAO, De Gaulle may not have had a Napoleon Complex, but he was just as French as the king of manlets himself"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nConsult ChadGPT if you have any concerns with the previous points mentioned."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come Catholics and Muslims love Mary but Protestants and Jews hate Mary?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not bowing before a statue of Mary = hating her. I’m sure Mary would want your focus to be on her son Jesus than of her, it’s really the Catholics that hate Mary"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nThe Mother and Wife of Jesus Christ; the Blessed Virgin Mary Magdalene, all honour to Her name."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=simple&q1=Marium\n\nprolly cuz she has her own surah that jesus wrote"}, {"id": 5, "content": "the Holy Ghost writer"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhttps://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=simple&q1=Isa"}, {"id": 7, "content": "All she had to do was admit she cheated on her husband."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThis. It’s not that they hate her. It’s that they don’t have true faith in Christ. They aren’t confident enough and think they need Mary also to save them."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Hurr Durr the entire religion is founded on a woman cheating on her husband\n\nThe Virgin birth narrative wouldn’t even have been known until after Jesus’ ministry."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>narrative wouldn’t even have been known until after Jesus’ ministry.\nSame with his resurrection"}, {"id": 11, "content": "No we dont hate Mary, we just dont deify her like Catholics do and we think Jesus deserve 110% of our worship/attention."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nWhy not both? it's obvious that Christ is the most exalted one and Mary is the one who gave birth to him, \"Mother of God\".\nThe only time I hear Protestants mention Mary is to say how she had all these kids after Jesus to own the Catholics"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>not praying to Mary means Prots hate her\nI become more anti-Catholic every day on this board."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>being driven further and further away from the holy spirit\nanon, I..."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\ngoing Judeo-Muslim bro?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nYou are the typical protestant filth, ignorant and forever worthless."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nkeep praying to your queen of heaven to deliver you, I'll stick with God the father, Lord Jesus Chirst, and the Holy Spirit that guides us thank you."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nCATHOLICS ARE THE TRUE & ONLY CHRISTIANS; ISLAMISTS ARE HERETICS WITH GOOD INTENTIONS; «PROTESTANTS» ARE HERETICS WITH BAD INTENTIONS; JUDAISTS ARE EVIL."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWhat about Orthodox?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nwho the fuck cares"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n\n\nHETERODOX SCHISMATICS ARE EMANCIPATED & FRACTIOUS CATHOLICS."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nSchizofrenia?"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Protestants are too stupid, or too stubbornly heretic to understand pic related"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nI'd fuck her."}, {"id": 25, "content": "Judeo-protestants are not Christian."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\nI don't think that is a fair characterization. Mary gives us a wonderful lesson in faith and obedience to God. She plays a key role in the most important moment in history, and does it in an exemplary way."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Mary gives us a wonderful lesson in faith\nShe just spread her legs bub"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nin Sunnism, Muhammad is fucking her right now\nMaryam is first of his houris in al-janna"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtestants come from Anglo-Northern European backgrounds, which is all about despising your parents.\n\nThey can't relate to marry because they don't know why a mother should be honored/venerated."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>8\n>This. It’s not that they hate her. It’s that they don’t have true faith in Christ.\nThe fact that Orthodox and Catholics titled Mary the Theotokos - the Mother of God - and held firm to that for millenia shows their faith. It's not a title about Mary so much as a title about Christ: That he is God. Protestants have been divided on Christ's nature here, or are not willing to think through all the implications. Mentally, they still think of Buddy Jesus."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nI'm certain you can back up your scholarship with even a single verse from any of the religions being talked about to bolster your point."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>18\n>ISLAMISTS ARE HERETICS WITH GOOD INTENTIONS\nThey're apostates, ruled by the demonic, and not even good enough to be heretics."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwere there a single christian alive that had actually read the book, i'm not sure we'd have this problem."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIt's not about \"reading a book\" to begin with. But a living Church that has handed down her story since it began. You, otoh, are nobody, and you're reading THEIR book. It's like some goofball neighbor just walking into somebody's house and proclaiming themselves an authority on that person's family."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.-John 19:26-27\nThis is a good example of how the Protestant mindset works: They write this episode off as Jesus suffering in pain on the cross, and merely \"taking care of practical affairs\" when handing his mother's care to the Apostle John. That's all they glean from this. If they can turn the holy and symbolic into something mundane, they always will. But the historical churches have always known that Mary's new role was the Mother of the Church that day. Not merely something John alone had to take care of."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n\n\nAPOSTASY ENTAILS COGNIZANT VOLITION; ISLAMISM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS A CHRISTIAN SECT; ISLAMISTS IGNORE THAT THEIR CULT ORIGINATED FROM SATANISTIC DECEPTION, THEREFORE, ISLAMISTS CANNOT BE JUSTLY REGARDED AS APOSTATES: THEY ARE IGNORANT & CONFUSED."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nMr ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ please elaborate or send me resources where I can learn more about islam being a Christian sect."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>23\nIs this dulia or latria?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>It's not about \"reading a book\" to begin with.\n>Just wing it\n>I'm sure jesus won't mind\n\n>You, otoh, are nobody, and you're reading THEIR book.\n>I'm very upset right now that you called me out for not reading about my religion.\n>Besides, there might be something in there that tells me I have to change something about myself\n\n>It's like some goofball neighbor just walking into somebody's house and proclaiming themselves an authority on that person's family.\n>Also, christians NEVER do anything like this."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>>It's not about \"reading a book\" to begin with.\n>>Just wing it\n>>I'm sure jesus won't mind\nI didn't say wing it. There's always been catechetical instruction, and blessed leaders to guide the church. They had a treasure of scripture, tradition, and experience alike. You assume literacy is some default state of mankind or the historical church. It never was, and making \"reading\" the key to truth in the Church is misguided. Christ blessed his followers with the Holy Spirit \"who would guide them into all truth\", and the Apostles in turn, passed their mantle through the laying on of hands. Truth is found in this apostolic succession.\nEven all the main tenets that Protestants still hold on to (the Trinity) are things handed them chiefly through the Church and her councils. People on their own don't come to conclusion of the Trinity right away. In fact, Protestants on their own start going full tranny, as if we keep seeing."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n\n\nIT IS A MATTER OF FACT; MUHAMMAD BELIEVED THAT CATHOLICISM WAS A PERVERSION OF CHRISTIANITY, AND STARTED HIS MOVEMENT AS A BELLICOSE WAY TO REFORM THE CHURCH; THEY USED TO REFER TO US, CHRISTIANS, AS «POLYTHEISTS», DUE TO OUR ADORATION OF THE HOLY TRINITY.\n\nSEARCHENGINE IT, OR SOMETHING."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n\n\nIT IS IDOLATRIA."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nThe Bible explicitly warns against following the traditions of man over the Word of God over and over again"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nHyperdulia"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>idolatry from other religions is okay because we are idolaters too"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nThe word of Apostles and their laying on hands for successors, blessed by the Holy Spirit, with Jesus' own allowance to bind and loose, are not the traditions of men or any way equivalent to Pharisees. And there is much the Apostles taught that weren't written down. That's how real people behave, after all. We don't just write to each other. Your friends and family don't just know who you are through letters and emails. You speak and grow up and do things together. This is just common sense. Writing and reading is not the center of life. Actual living in all it's aspects is. And this is what the Church remembers and passes down. St. Paul himself attests to traditions not written down:\n>Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.-2 Thessalonians 2:15\nAnd on that note, here's an example of how duplicitous some Protestant scholars will be. The same verse in the NIV says:\n>So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the ***teachings*** we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.\nThe same Greek word there (παραδόσεις - paradoseis) is the same word that the NIV elsewhere translates as \"traditions\" when it's negative and referring to Pharisees.\n>You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.-Mark 7:8 NIV\n\nThe same word there is paradoseis, but now it's suddenly not the more benign \"teachings\", but \"traditions\". Purposely there to weasel around and psychologically mess with the reader and trick them into thinking only \"traditions\" is bad. But there are good and bad traditions."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nProtestant don't hate her, they simply think she must not be venerated.\n\nJews hate her because they think she gave rise to a false religion\n\nMuslims love her because according to a sura she was blessed by Allah\n\nCatholics and Orthodox love them because they think her status as Theotokos make her a special saint and praying her for intercession can give many special grace.\n\nI attend a Catholic Church and I venerate Mary, but I admit many Catholics worship her, albeit unintentionally, and many people have this strange vision of her as a \"female goddess of virginity\" which is completely wrong.\n\nAlso, many representations of Mary are 100% super creepy, they make her look like a creepy sad chastised barbie and it makes me uncomfortable.\n\nPicrel is an actually good Mary Painting."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nThere is no such thing as ‘apostolic succession’ in the Bible - this is purely something concocted by Rome to edify their own self importance.\nThere is no need for apostolic succession in all of Christ’s teachings - He and He alone is head of the church, the body of Christ.\n\nThe church of Rome for all its pomp and ceremony is nothing more than a sepulchre of lies and deceit."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nThank you\nI would clarify we're happy to venerate her like Bede, but not as a catholic calls Marian devotions veneration"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Jesus upset the Jewish apple cart."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>I attend a Catholic Church and I venerate Mary, but I admit many Catholics worship her, albeit unintentionally, and many people have this strange vision of her as a \"female goddess of virginity\" which is completely wrong.\nStop trying to virtue signal to Prots."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nShe was a pious woman who was chosen as an important tool to execute God's will. We should respect her for that and just as Paul holds up his own chastity as something good to be emulated in 1 Corinthians 7, scripture also paints Mary's devotion to God's will as something to be emulated. Praying to her or bowing to her is a bridge too far though."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuslims HATE Mary."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nBased. Fuck idolaters"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they worship Isis and deifying Mary helps them cope."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nI support the ongoing importation in all protestant countries of arab and african muslims. Go on twitter to see how ''Based'' the enrichment is. As the muslims say 'inshallah'. kek"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe roman worship of mary has the same characteristics as the insults thrown at her by jews.\nRoman-Kikeolics are the same demon and enemy of Israel, the tribe raised to rule the south by the pharaohs own decree.\nRomans and Kikes hate Israel because they hate the true Egypt that acknowledged them."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>28\nLiar"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nMeds now."}, {"id": 60, "content": "The fact that Martin Luther and John Calvin would be considered idolaters by contemporary protestants says a lot about protestantism."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nI get that Luther believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary, but I do not understand why he thought it was theologically important given his overall beliefs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is a Christian supposed to do when they no longer want to live?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbe a monk, sacrifice your life to God."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread better philosophy nigga, you thought you needed stories about Uzzah guiding oxen for guidance"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDrown yourself in holy water"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKeep living. More specifically, from a practical perspective, one should identify why they don’t want to live. For instance, if you are in bad shape, try getting healthier. If you are without work, try to find work. If you can, I encourage talking with friends, family, maybe a therapist. I wish you good fortune, my friend."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>More specifically, from a practical perspective\nThe main reason is that I have hyper specific and odd mental problems I don't know any therapists can fix. I have health problems too that I plan on having taken care of this year and should be pretty straightforward, but the root of the issue is something only God can fix. And I do pray about it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nno meme answers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdentify as dead."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWelp, I hope your mental and physical problems go away someday. They might not though, so like…get used to that possibility. Suffering is inevitable, though disappointment isn’t as inevitable."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>They might not though\nI am aware of this."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Wait for death"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Say you’re an Atheist, expose a Christian teacher who illegally promotes abstinence only in public schools and let the Christian first worlders who never commit any crime because they’re Christian take care of you."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nI don’t know if this will work for you, but when I’m in pain, physical or mental, I remind myself that I’ve gone through similar or worse pain before and made it through, and this knowledge gives me hope."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLive a life of adventure uncaring if the next day brings death."}, {"id": 15, "content": "He died for this."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>The main reason is that I have hyper specific and odd mental problems\nStop using 4chan."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThis is ubironically good advice. NTA, but since I started using 4chan, I keep getting intrusive thoughts and an urge to shout “tranny”, “nigger”, “faggot”, and “kike”. I don’t even dislike these groups."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo a flip faggot."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nHave you been evaluated for exorcism yet?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npray and fast, give your life over to God"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nget a wife so you can life for other"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\n>but when I’m in pain, physical or mental, I remind myself that I’ve gone through similar or worse pain before and made it through\n\nThat is good advice. I've been through much worse physical pain before than I am in now, and bad times don't last forever even if they seem like they will"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRepent of your selfishness and live for God"}, {"id": 24, "content": "I literally just don’t understand why anyone would want to kill themselves. I fear death. I wish I was immortal. Even if my life went to shit in every way imaginable, I’d even rather go be a hobo than put a bullet through my head"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Kill themselves."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Try reaching out to your social support whether online or offline.\n\nFriends, family and professionals.\nIf you think you need medicine I suggest trying some out with a doctor and see what works best for you.\n\nBe sure to prioritize a healthy life routine over surfing the web, consuming media and gaming. There's a healthy balance and you can fit digital activities in.\n\nIf the body is healthy the mind will follow and vice versa. I wish you the best of luck anon and God Bless."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe who enduresvto the end shall be saved. God is not willing that any man should perish. And God will not let any man go through a trial that the man cannot overcome. Trust in this."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nThose who dont endure the trial will not receive the crown of life. Which means they will be tortured in fire forever. GG no RE"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What race is this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChurka"}, {"id": 3, "content": "La creatura britonica"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArgentino"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCaucasian"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWoopa Doop Boingo Woingo"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's Anglo New Zealand player Sam Whitelock and the average /his/pol user is too dumb to use reverse image google search these days."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Birth Name: Samuel Lawrence Whitelock\n\n>Place of Birth: Palmerston North, New Zealand\n>Date of Birth: 12 October, 1988\n\n>Ethnicity: English, Scottish, some Danish, Northern Irish, German, distant Cornish, likely Norwegian"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrench, Briton, or South German. Everyone in Quebec or Ohio looks like that. High EEF possibly more CHG in the case of Britons.\nI can tell you he is from Western Europe where, definitely not from Spain, Italy, Celtic nations, or Holland/North Germany.\n\n>>2\nHe looks nothing like a central asian"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nDefinitely more Briton than anything."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nChurka is sometimes used for caucasians. He definitely looks like such"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>Narrow palate\nBong genes strike again."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI knew a German dude who looks uncannily like this.\nBut his surname was possibly Askenazic."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Chud"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n4chanian"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nretard"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChurka"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's the bronze age steppe rapist phenotype, extremely rare in Europeans, but occasionally pops up"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNah. those looked like finns"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\nYou can see the whole regression and deformation it caused by looking at him and his brothers"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nNope Finns have east asian ancestry and lack steppe CHG"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nEHG=finnish. Also these phenotype is triggered by subsaharan african related components in ANF/natufians. The narrow palate is 100% a natufianoid/farmgroid atavism. Same with flat cheekbones"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhites. it's just the hair, replace them with more popular hairstyle and he'll look like your average whites."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nLas orcos de las bretanias caledoneas"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nHis brothers look more normal, they look nearly identical. He obviously has some sort of dental issue. Something in the palates deforming his mouth"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>20\n>>25\n>high HGH manly beasts of men are... le bad"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nSteppe does not resemble east asian finnish EHG creaturas"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Khach"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Anglo, Looks almost the same as his brother facially. He is just black haired and has a narrow palate"}, {"id": 30, "content": "if that guy was spanish everyone would post him to emphasize how spaniards are swarthy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nSpaniard-swarthy looks like a somali/nafri, not like op\nThis guy would be mild colored in spain. Who are darker than him in average"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nOP could be a basque or one of those cavemen mountain people who live in spain"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nDude i have been in the basque country besides other parts of spain. All this larp they look special is hilarious. They look the same as any other saudi, many of them look like pajeets and many clearly african influenced.\n\nThere is nothing white or white-peripheral in that somalian peninsula"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why weren’t sub Saharan Africans capable of civilisation? Pretty much nothing remarkable here: no poetic epics, no written language, no great works of architecture (no mud huts don’t count sorry) etc etc"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlow iq"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe official normie narrative is\n>poor soil\n>lack of navigable waterways\n>lack of domesticable animals\n>isolation from Eurasia via Sahara desert\nTake that as you will"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the Continent of Africa—rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrow-head worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail! He lives as his fathers lived—stole his food, worked his wife, sold his children, ate his brother, content to drink, sing, dance, and sport as the ape!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nthe other normie narrative is that Africa has 1 gorrlion dollars of resources that made the west rich thru colonialism.\n\nsomehow Africa is poor and rich at the same time depending what argument you make for nigger backwardness!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey developed different civilisations. The idea that they have to produce something “great” to be considered a civilisation is the most ignorant, imperialist idea I have heard. They have different languages and different kinds of architecture. The only fact here is that you have a prejudice against “non-great” cultures."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nyeah that about sums it up. VERY low IQ (OP should google IQ by country)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nyes i am prejudiced against non great cultures. why? because they are not great."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWhy should people not have a prejudice against low civilizations and low cultures"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Is South Sudan not subsaharan anymore?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly Southern Africa was uncivilized"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nIts the fact they dont do anything grand in their realm so like great african empire just a bunch of kingdoms. You also cannot find monoliths littered in the wilderness either indicating they have done nada."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>same bait thread that has been answered countless times"}, {"id": 14, "content": "They didn't build something that has lasting consequences to this day like the Roman Empire but they also weren't the completely backwards people who didn't even know about the sky under wich they lived like /pol/ trannies pretend they were."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat is West Africa\n>inb4 it doesnt count because mudhuts\ncivilisation means having better life conditions and organised society than the surroundings, west Africa was doing well than its surrounds."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nAfrica is a continent you imbecile"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nMud huts are not a civilisation. Cope."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nNo shit?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nThe map is basically empty how pathetic. Im certain injuns would made great things had their places been swapped with blacks."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>He thinks a pic to generalize a continents history isnt laughable"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\ncivilisation is doing good as a society, west africa was doing well\n>>19\n>if another people lived in the tropical shithole of a continent,they would-\nno"}, {"id": 22, "content": "People don't seem to know that the Sub-Saharan Africans are a people who garded their independence from any foreign power until well into the 19th Century and beginnings of the 20th Century. Most of Africa was unexplored by Europe until the 19th Century. Be it that they didn't have as much technology as Asia and Europe, but this condition alone speaks in favor of the Africans."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nI wasn't trying to generalize anything idiot. It was just an example of something from SSA"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no poetic epics, no written language, no great works of architecture\nEthiopia\n>THAT DOESN'T COUNT\nShouldn't have used a map that included Ethiopia then"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nOP did that"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>shithole\nTo us who didnt evolve there but its home to african blacks"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>unexplored\nNo impossible Africa is the human homeland it should be the most explored landmass on the planet"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nEthiopia isnt enough"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nYeah but while you were paying taxes to authoritarian regimes the Africans were living in complete freedom from foreign powers. European colonization was brief and didn't last more than 120 years were it held the longest, the Africans have already gained back the freedom they have had since the beginning of times."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nGreece isnt enough"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>Says no\n>Indicating not any\n>Except there is a clear example\nEthiopia is enough"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause your definition of society excludes civilizations in Africa and is not based in reality. Did not bump let this low effort thread die already"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThe East Sahara has a good enough historical record but it does not make enough for the entire continent"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\n\nAfrican civilizations are a meme.\nTheir \"Empires\" and \"kings\" just mean larger number of mudhuts and slightly larger cowshit castles\n\npic related is a representation of a king that could have been king of any of those colored areas on the map during any time from 1000BC til like the 1870s"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>15\nIt is hard to understand how areas with better farming regions than Egypt somehow remained wilderness. The South of Africa has the best climate on the entire continent yet is the most ass backwards region at the same time."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nThat's just moving the goalposts then, the argument was that SSA had none and yet it did."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically socio-economic factors. I agree with Guns, Germs and Steel\n>t. rational racist"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>19\nAlso amazing how the cope keeps evolving\n>\"lel no civs in africa\"\n>proven wrong\n>\"noooo but they didn't fill up the continenterino!!\""}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nThat makes no sense you lot cannot understand how old blacks are, when the common ancestor of us and asians existed in Central Asia there were humans that looked exactly like Sub Saharans roaming across Africa. Blacks have had the longest time to get their shit together they should have been 1000s of years ahead of us in everything since they got a major headstart however we Eurasians evolutionary toddlers in comparison greatly surpassed them."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>5\n>somehow Africa is poor and rich at the same time\nPoor in food and basic resources, rich in gold, diamonds, and oil.\nYou can have the best cheese and sauce known to man, but without dough, you can never make a pizza."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why weren’t sub Saharan Africans capable of civilisation?\nWhy weren't Saharan Africans like berbers/tuaregs?\nWhy weren't native americans outside of Mexico and Peru?\nWhy weren's eskimos?\nWhy weren't siberian people?\nWhy weren't abbos?\nWhy weren't oceanians?\nWhy weren't germanic people until year 1000 (that is, various millennia since the start of civilization)?\nWhy weren't italic people until some centuries before Christ (that is, some millennia since the start of civilization)?\nWhy weren't japanese until some centuries before Christ (that is, some millennia since the start of civilization)?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>15\n>civilisation means having better life conditions and organised society than the surroundings\n\nThen West Africa fails at that, as North Africa is part of its surrounding"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>34\n(You)"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\n>humans that looked exactly like Sub Saharans roaming across Africa\nLooks=/=same. Bantu are a very young race, they only started expanding during the bronze age. There is a reason civilization first started in the fertile crescent"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>13\n>same cope pic posted thousands of times."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>15\nMost of the large states were made by foreigners. Kilwa, Mali, Ghana, etc. All of these were founded by foreign muslim peoples. Ethiopia and Somalians are more genetically similar to Caucasians like Yemenis and Egyptians than other bantu peoples. Bantus themselves have made zero civilisation. They are litterally uncivilised spear chuckers, in every sense of the word."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\nDude it's 2023. We can't wait for ever for African civilization."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nWhat are you talking about"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nMali?? Made by foreigners?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nLiterally, Mansa Munsa's line came from the berber traders in the area. Eventually they \"africanized\", but if it wasn't for berbers making small states in the sahara it would probably be a bunch of tribes killing eachover for slaves. I'm african. West Africans and Berber peoples are not the same people as\nbantu niggers at all."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>unknown\nWow look at all that middle eastern literature and architecture!"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>unknown\nEurope develped far more in isolation than africa, and africa didn't do anything with the things the arabs gave them."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>41\nAnon, that's the whole point. OP is mocking SSA exactly because they're so late to the civilization game compared to everyone else."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>33\nDon’t move the goal post, retard."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>5\nYou can't build a civilization based on diamonds, rubber, and oil."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\n>>46\nCivilization began in the Middle East and spread to Europe.\nIf it wasn't for Middle Eastern people europe would probably be a bunch of tribes killing eachover"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>50\nAll of Europe except for Crete, most of India, Southeast Asia, most of East Asia beyond the Yellow River valley, and most of the Middle East beyond Iraq and Egypt were introduced to civilization from outside."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\nArabs are the biggest WE WUZers on the planet"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>40\nDominican Republic of the Congo would be a powerhouse with 100 million whites instead of... you know"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nEuropeans are better than you, admit it"}, {"id": 61, "content": "Why do people on this board always make such retarded threads like this?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nothing remarkable here: no poetic epics, no written language, no great works of architecture (no mud huts don’t count sorry) etc etc\n\nAll of this is false"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>Why do people on this board always make such retarded threads like this?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>51\n>>52\n\nLol cope\n>It wuz da Arabs"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>52\n>developed far more in isolation\n\nYeah sure they did anon"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>50\n>West Africans and Berber peoples are not the same people as bantu niggers at all.\nWhat the actual fuck are you on about? Who mentioned Bantus? West Africans aren't even Africans now?\n>I'm african\nIm sure you are"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>It wuz da Arabs\ncorrect"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>50\nI don’t think this is true. Mansa Musa however did sell thousands of blacks into slavery (to both berbers and arabs) so he’s an embarrassment in his own way"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nWhat Arabs are in any of those places retard"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>what arab/semetic were in west/central africa and the horn\n>"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>64\nThose are stone age structures tho, whats supposed to be impressive about it"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had it made. Why worry about shit like that. Fruit, veggies and big tittied bitches is all those homies needed. Maybe a sharp stick to fight off a lion or hyena. But that's it."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>15\nWest africans are e1b1 and therefore partly caucasian"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>24\nEthiopians are half caucasians"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>70\nI’m being serious…and no half semite mulattos are not Arab"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>64\nBuilt by Semetic People and arabs try again. Check the sources of your /pol/graph next time\n\n>>71\n>Those are stone age structures tho, whats supposed to be impressive about it\n1/10 bait"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>6\nI take a Darwinian perspective\nWere their civilisations so great that they could adequately defend themselves from another civilisation?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>68\n>so he’s an embarrassment in his own way\nWhy? What's embarrassing about selling criminals and war prisonners to foreigners? He was supposed to care about muh black solidarity 500 years before it was invented by midwits in america?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\n>Built by Semetic People and arabs try again\nWhen did west Africans and sahelians become arab or semetic? Horners are neither either."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nExcept they weren’t all criminals? He sold his own people because they were ‘pagans’ to berbers and arabs despite the fact he was ridiculously wealthy and did not need to enter the slavery business for extra wealth. He could’ve afforded to buy out every black he sold but chose not to. It’s not about the slaves being black, it’s the fact that the majority of them came from the same ethnicity as him, tribe whatever you want to call it. Sorry I don’t suck up to some fag who sold his own tribesman to Nafris. It’d be a different story if they were from another tribe/ethnicity, that would be justifiable."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n>Starting in the 9th century AD, Muslim merchants came to play a vital role in the western Sahel region through trans-Saharan trade networks. The earliest mosques discovered in sub-Saharan Africa are at Kumbi Saleh (in present-day southern Mauritania), the former capital of the Ghana Empire (began after the muslim conquest of north africa!)\n\n>At Kumbi Saleh, locals lived in domed-shaped dwellings in the king's section of the city, surrounded by a great enclosure. Traders lived in stone houses in a section which possessed 12 mosques one centered on Friday prayer.\n\n> As Islamization progressed across the region, more variations developed in mosque architecture, including the adoption of traditional local forms not previously associated with Islamic architecture\n\n>What is berbers\n>what is timbuktu\n>what is fucking saheal and the horn?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nBerbers didn’t build anything in that photo though? Unless you’re trying to claim mulattos as berbers as you’re doing with those in the horn?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n>what is Mauritania\n>what is sudan"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>76\nI genuinely don't get it, its always piles of rocks that get posted not even inforced with concrete or steel"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nMulatto land…that’s what they are"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>37\nWhy do blacks have smaller brains?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nMulkatos are Iberian/west African mixes. Stop mixing up new world terms or applying them to completely different areas. Many \"Arabs\" in those states are just culturally Arab at best."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>68\n>>80\nMabsa Musa sold of Afrucans from other grouos or rivals but a fuckton remained in his jurisdiction. Why are you assuming that blacks are a monolith? He didn't even exist during the transatlantic trade or the peak of the trans-saharan."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>77\nGreat perspective.\nSimiliar to the Native Americans, why is it considered \"genocide\" when one side is weak af but \"war\" when both sides are competent? Defense is one of the core reasons why civilization emerged; if you fail at that, you fail at civilization."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>59\nIt would be a much shittier Australia where whites try to firce other whites to slave on mines and plantations. Colonial DRC was basically a shithole where all it did was export resources with no real industry because the Belgians just came in for the gibs and welfare jobs. A lot of \"business\" ventures were only \"viable\" because they had endless serfs that the colony could pimp out to them with rock bottom pay that had wider margins because labour was so absurdly cheap that importing tech to increase efficiency by large degree was not worth it when you could just work your African serfs to death and the state carts a new set in.\n\nIn a high % white state you'd have a lot of workers instantly turn commie at the prospect of wage slavery. The State would either have to crack down on unionization+labour rights protest, or concede to them and watch as businesses and plantations pull out to to razor thin margins and havibgvto kiwtiw to state regulations."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>51\nNigeria where did you think our mathematics came from? Europoors aren't any better."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nOne would say \"Rhidesua was able to pay white workers in shit jobs high wages\". That was the case but Rhidesua had all those Afrucans working bottom wages to be able to fund the whites working jobs like farm labour and the state overpaid white labour as a way to keep them on their side and overpaying white kabour was a way to sidestep franchise laws that used salary and income as one if their metrics. So it's not the case of being colonial states being able to pay whites because they want to but rather bring a matter if \"they have to\" to ensure compliance and to win people over with gibs."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nIt's weird that people fllate Arabs and other MENA people when it's convenient. One minute they are savages. The other they are browner Greek/Roman equivalents."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nArabs are superior to niggers and both are inferior to whites. It's not a difficult concept."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nNo arabs are on par if not better than whites, both superior to niggers."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>>95\nAdvanced coping lmao."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nSandniggers are just one step above poojets in the racial hierarchy, they are beneath whites, east asians and jews"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>5\nI can see you don't leave echo chambers. No one claims this is why civilizations didn't ever evolved, because civilizations did evolve there."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nIs this a tier list? Stop playing videogames so much"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>15\n>civilisation means having better life conditions and organised society than the surroundings\nThat's not what civilization means"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is incorrect to suggest that sub-Saharan Africans were not capable of civilization. The history of Africa is rich and diverse, with a wide range of cultures, languages, and civilizations that have flourished throughout the continent over the millennia.\n\nThere have been many impressive achievements in sub-Saharan Africa, including the creation of great works of art, the development of sophisticated systems of agriculture, and the establishment of powerful empires and kingdoms.\n\nOne of the most significant challenges that sub-Saharan African societies faced in the past was the lack of a written language, which made it more difficult to preserve their history and cultural achievements. However, this does not mean that they were not capable of civilization, as many of these cultures had rich oral traditions and other methods of transmitting knowledge and information.\n\nIt is also worth noting that the concept of \"civilization\" is a complex and contested one, with different societies and cultures defining it in different ways. Therefore, it is not accurate to suggest that sub-Saharan Africans were incapable of civilization simply because their achievements did not fit within a particular definition or set of criteria."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>75\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Semitic_languages"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>61\nPretty sure its one or two schizos making all of these"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>81\n>locals lived in domed-shaped dwellings in the king's section of the city"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>40\nAfrica isn't particularly rich in oil, at all."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>97\n>poojets\nIndians and Arabs are on par if not greater than whites especially Northern whites. Anglo/Germans have a hedonism problem they need to address."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>104\nOtherwise known as mud huts, while the architects and influence rs lived in stone."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nA lot of areas have made discoveries. More will open up as more geological work is done and FDI increases."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>95\n>No arabs are on par if not better than whites\nTheir sole accomplishment is cashing checks from the West because they happen to be born on top of oil. Nigger-rich sand coons can't even design their own buildings. They need to pay Whites to do it. Arabs are a pathetic, feeble, mindbogglingly stupid race of no worth or redeeming value whatsoever."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\n>Otherwise known as mud huts\nDepends on the area. Could be Adobe, could have some wood."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n>Their sole accomplishment is cashing checks from the West because they happen to be born on top of oil.\nWhat is Canada, Norway or Australia? Nothing wrong with resource export"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>102\nAnd yet they remain 50% SSA…"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>109\nThe foundation of the west includes contributions of middle eastern people and other 'causcoid' races hell Even the Americans honor them on their ceiling in congress.\n\nEuropeans had great respect for them outside of holy war bickering see Saladin."}, {"id": 114, "content": "Africa is unremarkable in most respects save for one important thing: laziness. The biggest problem is that when humans created agriculture it required a fuck ton of human attentiveness and labor involved in it. Crops domesticated in Africa are resistant to drought, disease, neglect, getting trampled by animals, etc. You basically don't have to do anything to them and you'll get food. I would imagine in the future if we want to stop using pesticides and fertilizers crops which do that are required. Not only that but considering oh, like 90% of the human population will live in cities, crops which require less human labor will be necessary so farmers can stop committing suicide."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>52\nArabs built and civilized Europe , the east med and North African phoenicians taught the Greeks and Romans"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>75\nBro you better tell Omar al-Bashir and the baggara that. They are about to ravage Sudan because they think they are arabs and their enemies are just black. You should go up and tell them that there’s no difference real quick and you may end up saving thousands of lives, minimum."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nArab doesn't mean semitic. Phoenicians are linguistically the same as ancient Hebrews, not Arabs."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\nPhoenicians and every other ancient middle eastern “civilization” is trash that didnt produce anything of note, thats why muslims riped off the greeks and romans"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>24\n>Ethiopia\nhalf-caucasians, don't count"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>115\n>Arabs built and civilized Europe\nYet they can't build shit themselves even when flush with oil money. So much for the myth that throwing money at people will make them smart. Arabs have no human capital, they just splurge on bling like a bunch of niggers."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nCoping hard."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey, how come this map excludes South Sudan but includes Mauritania?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>17\nMost Greek and Roman people lived in mud huts/adobe."}, {"id": 124, "content": "This is insanity. We know why. They live in such harsh jungle conditions and were isolated via Sahara desert.\nAs well as the topography and geography being complex making communication and travel difficult.\n\nHow can we look at Africa and find positive lessons from its rich past?\n\nAs for the future... what does it hold? What are the beat ways foreign nations and these Africa states themselves use their resources and people to better their continent, and furthermore humanity?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>114\n>You basically don't have to do anything to them and you'll get food.\nYou still need to put a ton of it into it lol. More in fact since crop yields are lower than the more common ones sold on global markets that are geared toward increased crop output and have the subsidies/tech to back it."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>73\nBy this logic no black person is pure blooded. All black people in Africa have traces of Eurasian DNA."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>116\nBecause Omar used \"Arabness\" as a way to consolidate power and garner foreign support from nearby Arab states. Many Sudanese don't give really give a shit about \"muh pan-Arab ideology over muh Sudanese idenity \" like he did, not saying they were free of bias but Omar took it to a whole new level. Mainly because he also targetted non-Arab Muslims very hard alongside other groups"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\nIn the Andes it was just the same, imbecile, but with the difference that they did create great civilizations than in Africa, so the weather difficulty, without horses, etc., etc., is even more insensible for them to have to overcome that geographic challenge"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>101\npure word but you say nothing"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>128\nI am sure there are complex reasons why people in the Andes were able to create such a civilization. It is important to note that while what qualifies as civilization is complex there were also as complex civs in sub Sahara Africa including the zulus, kingdom of Zimbabwe, the kingdom of the Congo, the Malian kingdom and more."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nI am slightly open to changing my mind. Could you go ahead and try?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>128\n>difference that they did create great civilizations than in Africa\nBased on what meme criteria? Do tell us."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">No National Epics\n\nMali Empire literally had two you fucking dumbass\n\nLittle nigga wouldn't walk or wipe up after himself so his mum got her servant boys to get a massive slab of iron from the market. Finally presented with a challenge, the boy picked up a slab that needed 6 men to even carry it there.\n\nThere's more shit he does like killing some motherfucker with a spur-arrow but point is oral history is still history.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griot"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>130\n>what qualifies as civilization is complex\nWriting, cities, social hierarchy. Blacks didn't have any societies with all of those."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>5\nBritain was always rich in coal, but it didn't really mean much until they had the means to reliably extract massive amounts of it, or use it."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\n>Mali Empire\nBerber."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyour map includes the horn so you lose automatically on all 3 fronts\n>nooooo hornoids don't count!!\nsorry chud, should have posted a different map"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>134\nCertainly wrong. Civilizations in africa do and have had social hirearchies and cities for a very long time. As for writing it greatly varied but for the most part was not present. However these were considerable civilizations nonetheless. I guess my question is what do you seek to obtain by rejecting true information? I think you are clouded by your emotions and biases. I recommend working on a healthy and fulfilling life routine and minimizing screen time.\n\ni believe in you"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>130\n>>130\n>>132\n>>129\n>>131\nI am quite sure that you do not know how they are in the Andes of those times than with Africa itself, so I will tell you that it was a shit to be alive in the Andes since the ecological floors fertile enough were scarce and not to mention the fertile lands that They are something else just like on the coast than at least if they were a kingdom to call it that because of the incredible clothing, goldsmiths, boats etc etc etc which was not the same as in the Andes which was still lived as total anarchy after the collapse of the wari empire, a delay in technology was lost how to make the cities of before making them just shacks and small towns themselves, do you even see what you know about the andes and africa whether or not the africans are with their geography And moreover, it is not an excuse that they have been late in being \"relevant\", what you call \"kingdoms\" would be more like confederations or large tribes that decided to call themselves a \"kingdom\" that is not how things work or if want the mexicas became \"empire\" as such"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\n>>138\npure word and nothing"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>136\nI am afraid you are incorrect.\nThe Malian Empire was founded by Sundiata Keita a Mandika man.\n\nThe dominant speak were Manding languages.\n\nIt started near the niger river, after the decline of the Ghana Empire."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>138\n>Civilizations in africa do and have had social hirearchies and cities for a very long time.\nThere were no black cities in Africa before colonization."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>139\nThere are no excuses that I see. As far as geographic determinism goes for human civilization, the people in these regions adapted as best as possible and created Civilizations to the greatest extent that was naturally possible. It would be accurate to call these confederation of tribes, but so were many civilizations including the mongol civilization, ancient germanic civilization, macedonian,celtic and many more."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>40\nI cooka da pizza"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>142\n>There were no black cities in Africa before colonization.\nWhat do you call areas with a massive density of people all under one administrative unit? A super town? A suburb?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">ITT someone asks for justification for their prejudices, is presented with evidence refuting them and starts running with a goalpost in each hand so they don't have to think about why they think the way they do about their fellow human beings."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>141\nThe Mali \"empire\" was a bunch of mud huts until Europeans showed up. There was a mosque made out of mud built by berber and arab conquerors from the north."}, {"id": 148, "content": "Obvious shitposter is shitposting"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>145\nThere were no nigger cities bro. Sorry but it's a fact."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nI encourage keeping a rational and open mindset when learning and discussing history. These were indeed cities that held many advanced occupations and a population of people. The infrastructure and and customs may have not been what are you to seeing in the old world but these were indeed urban centers."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nHe's a brown shitposter anon. Stop feeding him attention."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The last good president"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Eisenhower"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTeddy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll of them were bad, but this faggot was the worst"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nmore schizo garbage. see washingtons last. prompted script doublespeak normalization entropy freefall. words nothing when u cant real language action"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>complains about schizo garbage\n>proceeds to spout schizo garbage"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">another mutt thread pretending anyone knows or gives a shit about his juvenile \"country\""}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>unknown\n>>7\nr/shitamericans say\n>>8\nupvoted!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nAmerican website."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>putting bait in the subject field.\ni can respect the honesty."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nnope"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>make bait thread\n>title it \"Bait\"\n>people still reply"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Was there ever a good one?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe kwabbed the Soviet Union back into the shadow realm and for that he’s based, but everything else he did was cringe"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased rightoid admitting he has no problem with being racially replaced as long as beaners are given legal channels to do so"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLBJ or Nixon"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFord"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not very familiar with Reagan. Why is he so reviled?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSimon Bolivar."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The last good president\nI don't see Nixon in your picture."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nMost of the shit america is dealing with now, from immigration problems, to corporate whoring the country off, to terrorism, can be traced to either Bush Sr., or to Reagan.\nBasically, under Reagan conservative line of thought in America went from \"preserve tradition and make america strong\" to \"fill the coffers of bunch of Jews and WASPs and let the rest rot\"\nDementia was a God's punishment to this cunt."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the Mongolian \"Empire\" even exist? Did the Mongols actually administrate their land or people? It sounds like they just pillaged and raped them over and over again."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Legend says Vikings drove East with their legendary ships, then sailed all upstream, all until reaching the Baikal lake."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Mongol Empire was a powerful state that extended from Korea to Mesopotamia. It was administered by the great Khans of the Empire, who were both brilliant military leaders and cunning political rulers. While it is true that the Mongol Empire was founded upon brutal conquest, it was also a highly organized civilization led by a sophisticated legal code and government system. In the end, the Mongol Empire fell due to a variety of factors, most notably the incessant infighting among its rulers and the division of its territory amongst the Khans' successors."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. Chatgpt"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe vast majority of it was desolate wasteland unsuitable for fuckall apart from a scattered web of cities here and there"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>China\n>Iran\n>Iraq\n>southern Central asia\n>the Tarim bassin\n>all desert\nWhy are people on this board so retarded"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>the Tarim bassin\ndesert\n>southern Central asia\nhalf of it is desert\n>Iraq\nmongols turned the remaining land into desert\n>Iran\nsame as above\n>Tarim Basin\nliterally desert with oasis cities\n>China\nhalf of the population died. Northern China becomes a wasteland for over a century"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnomads had good enough relations with their settled subjects post conquest, it's just that when someone else came into the picture they'd burn everything down to rule over the ashes\n\nsee the late tang dynasty for instance, the khitans rebel and establish their own kingdom (while the turks raid their lands at that), then the jurchens chimpout, burn everything and settle on top of that, then the mongols come in, etc"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nWhat did they leave the world anyhow? Even dead empires have vast influence to this day, but I'm not quite sure about Mongols. Indians, Chinese, etc.. all seem uniquely their own thing still."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nuh they killed a lot of people. They did the equivalent of flipping over a chess board"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nMajority, not all of it you nimrod"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nA fuckload of descendants along with direct and indirect influence on all cultural and political developments in every corner of Asia to this day"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The theory of evolution is just a popular conjecture; it is neither rational nor a true theory."}, {"id": 2, "content": "True. There's many other explanations on how life could have formed on earth, but the atheists need the theory of evolution as a replacement for religious belief."}, {"id": 3, "content": "You can literally watch evolution real time in microcellular organisms. The food you eat is a process of evolution through gene selection in plants. Million of years is a very long time and evolution is actually pretty fast. Bottlenecks, which are very common in nature, also significantly alter the course of evolution by drastically enchanting the likelihood of certain mutations."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>how life could have formed on earth\nNot evolution, that’s abiogenesis. Different concepts even though creationists don’t know the difference."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeanwhile, creationism is the bronze age conjecture of desert semites masquerading as revelatory truth."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurns out complexity yields adaptability and continued structural integrity"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm pretty sure intelligent design is supposed to aim for simplicity, not wisdom teeth and pleasure spots in male anuses."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nYes I know the difference you idiot, but for how the species developped"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou said how life formed, evolution is well established. This is just a C student board."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNo evolution is not well established at all and severely flawed\nEmpiricism shows that most new varieties form through the merging of different varieties into each other, but evolutionists somehow think this backwards\nIt also doesn't explain how evolution takes millions of years, when climates sometimes change in a question of a few thousand years"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt's not flawed. It's a fact. DNA proved it without a doubt. The theory of evolution tries to explain why and how evolution happens, but evolution itself is a fact."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNo it's not you idiot. See, you're just using it as a replacement for religion, and instead of refuting my argument you press on it like nothing is going to take you away from your dogmatic belief."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is true, while we need not appeal to fairystories to list an origin of life, we also should not make a fairystory out of a progressive for its time but still highly underdeveloped bit of 19th century mysticism."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>well established\nit has no workable mechanism of action, it appeals to fucking stochastic randomness lmfao.\nits less understood than quantum mechanics."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are massively retarded."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>you're just using it as a replacement for religion\nretard christcuck."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbsolute state. We seriously need a /religion/ containment board."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nReligious people doesn't deny micro evolution, what we deny is fish growing wings(for absolutely no reason) and become a bird."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe state of American education."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIf fish didnt evolve into birds, then where did birds come from?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>it has no workable mechanism of action\nSelection of mutations based on pressures affecting survival and reproduction.\nYou are a fool man, seriously."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nDinosaurs>lizards>salamanders>fish"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>what we deny is fish growing wings(for absolutely no reason) and become a bird.\nNo one is proposing this. You’re missing several intermediary steps between a fish and a bird.\n\nIt’s hugely telling that people like you never spaz like retards about lizards originating from salamanders, it’s always two completely different animals that your intuition can’t handle"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nCreationists have a whole propaganda arm aimed at ensuring their kids don't understand evolution, complete with scientific sounding nonsense like \"workable mechanism of action\"."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>10\n>Empiricism shows that most new varieties form through the merging of different varieties into each other\nCompletely pulled out of your filthy ass"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nDinosaurs aren’t lizards or descended from lizards. They’re reptiles, yes, but lizards are only one section of the reptile family, same as dinosaurs."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAlso, I don’t mean family in the sense of lenean taxonomy, I pretty much just mean it as “clade”."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\nThis is a good point that is not often brought up. It's easy to imagine a scenario where God exists and evolution is true but impossible to imagine a scenario where atheism is true and evolution is false. Even Dawkins said \"Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist\", there's a clear metaphysical bias here"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>20\nGenesis 1:20-23 \"And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.\""}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nThankfully the most logical spiritual alternative to atheism is not Christianity."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nAh true my bad"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nEh, it’s an easy mistake to make."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>16\nDilate"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>11\n>DNA proved it without a doubt\nThat ain't true, and the funny thing about this is that when DNA was discovered the entire scientific community at the time recognized its discovery as directly falsifying evolutionism as it stood then. Because of their overriding philosophical bias they took evolution absolutely for granted regardless of empirical evidence, and re-interpreted their theories and DNA in light of each other to develop neo-Darwinism."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n> as directly falsifying evolutionism as it stood then.\nIn the same way the theory of relativity falsified Newtonian physics maybe."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>11\n>DNA proved it\nexplain how"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenetic algorithms are a real thing that has been used in practice."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nDNA is by itself enough proof of evolution, all other pieces of evidence are just supporting details in comparison. It directly shows how different living things are related.\nIf you disagree then you should ignore paternity tests on your kid if you ever have one."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nDNA doesn't change"}, {"id": 40, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItBDepGyfK0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nGo expose yourself to radiation if you believe that."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n>DNA is by itself enough proof of evolution\nI think it's enough proof against evolution, evolutionism presupposes naturalism yet here we have a line of code, and you don't get programs without programmers.\n>If you disagree then you should ignore paternity tests on your kid if you ever have one.\nFalse dichotomy. We have developed through science a principle that X genetic similarities indicate common ancestry, and perhaps it holds generally, but another scientific principle that only holds generally is that dead men do not live again. The origin of species is miraculous because it is part of the creation week itself, it is completely unsurprising that it would defy our principles."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">it's 2023\n>creationists still use the same stuff from 20 years ago\n\nYou people are the main reason why new atheism became a movement in the first place. You two were meant for each other: American evangelical autists counterbalanced by autistic scientism. I'm surprised the universe didn't rip itself apart from so much autism"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nYeah that’s strange terminology. It mutates during meiosis.\nI mean honestly the process of creating gametes is changing DNA by definition."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nNo it doesn't or paternity tests would in fact be useless. DNA does not change by any measure."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\n>We have developed through science a principle that X genetic similarities indicate common ancestry, and perhaps it holds generally\nIt’s not just similarity, DNA of related organisms share physical copies of DNA. You literally share parts of DNA with your mom, cousin and a chimp in the same way that your skin on your arm shares DNA with your lung tissue."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nLiterally meaningless babble"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nYou inherit genes from your parents and that’s why we can tell they’re your parents. Mutations are taken into account when DNA tests are done.\nHalf comes from your dad and half from your mom. Hope this helps."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nI don't think you know what the word similarity means"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nThat’s okay anon, you weren’t meant to understand this. I went to college with a guy who could not understand standard deviations or z scores in statistics and had to drop out. We’re not all built for this stuff."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>Half comes from your dad and half from your mom\nHow much of it comes from thin air because new genetic information just appears on its own for no reason?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nYeah I don’t think you fully grasp that related organisms share physical copies of each others genes"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\n> when DNA tests are done.\nHalf comes from your dad and half from your mom\nOK, where in this process does a change in DNA occur if I get the genes from my parents?\n>>50\nI never went to college and I still consider myself intellectually superior to people like you."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\nHave you ever heard of a concept called 'time'?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nNew genetic information is formed via mutations during meiosis. Next week we’ll be covering why a white squirrel is more likely to get eaten by a predator in a forest than a grey and brown one"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>here in this process does a change in DNA occur if I get the genes from my parents?\nMeiosis"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\nHere, this might help you\nhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/similarity"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>53\nThere’s probably no way to say it without you taking it personally but you’re just not intelligent enough for this topic, just like Z scores and std dev was beyond the capacity of that guy in my class.\n\nIt’s okay man, I struggle to understand much of quantum mechanics, you start blowing smoke at evolution"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>53\nOK, where in this process does a change in DNA occur if I get the genes from my parents?\nHow did you pass high school not knowing this? When DNA is copied small changes accrue due to the process being imperfect. This is why its better to breed with someone not closely related to you, BTW, less chance of bad changes you share with your relatives accruing"}, {"id": 60, "content": "Why did God put ERVs in the DNA of animals in such a way as predicted by the theory of evolution?\nGod is the greatest deceiver"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nBro he doesn’t even know about meiosis."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nI can tell you why He put HIV in your blood"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nTruly losing any sympathy for conservatives and Christians."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\nYeah sure Einstein, sorry that I didn't score as good as you did on the IQ test, too bad that we are not people worthy of being explained how evolution works.\n>>59\nProof? I think incest is dangerous because of incomplete data transferation. I had calculated this in my head at some point, what can result from incest is that not all chromosomal informations get transfered to the child, producing incomplete beings. This has nothing to do with mutation."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nI'm sure you already lost all sympathy when they told you your skirt didn't make you a woman"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>I think incest is dangerous because of incomplete data transferation. I had calculated this in my head at some point\nLmfao"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>62\n>>65\nad hominem"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nI’m a straight, male, man and I will laugh if dems put you in camps at this point."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nYou'd have to take that thing out of your mouth to laugh."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>64\n>too bad that we are not people worthy of being explained how evolution works.\nI told you, though it’s insane you just didn’t Google this."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nI’m not gay but I am positive your holes will be filled in a prison camp. The indifference to your suffering is entirely brought upon yourself."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nI didn't ask to hear about your gay fantasy, weirdo"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nDo you think your mom will even miss you?"}, {"id": 74, "content": "Holy shit the people on this board are so stupid\n>We have examples of selective breeding that has occurred during our lifetime\n>We have fossils of animals dating back millions of years ago that converge on the animals that exist today\n>The taxonomic tree derived prior to DNA was largely validated by DNA\n>Our understanding of how DNA is passed on explains how mutations and new species could eventually occur.\nIt is a theory, but it is a theory backed up by empirical evidence, a theoretical foundation backed up by chemistry, and provides a model with both predictive and explanatory power."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nI don't think about homosexual sex at all, so I guess that's the difference between us"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\n>It is a theory\nEvolution is a conjecture about the past"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nYou imagined me cross dressing as soon as I displayed the ability to pass high school biology."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nThought I told you to stop projecting your gross perversion onto me"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>34\nand do you have anything to actually back up that claim"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nthird person here, you’re a fucking retard"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>62\n>>65\nOkay. But what about the ERVs, what does theology say about God trying to trick us like this?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_question"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\ngawd doesn’t talk about evolution, paul didn’t anticipate that"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>74\n>expecting larpers to actually know any of this and not just repeat the same talking points endlessly even when proven wrong\nyou're first mistake is assuming they are here for genuine discussion and not shilling"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>76\nWhat is the difference between a theory and a conjecture?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nTheory is testable"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\nNot him but you have no answer because you dont even have the biology knowledge to grasp what ERVs are and what it indicates"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>74\nthe cattle don’t like being branded as such. if evolution is true then they will have to face the fact that their kind actually arrests human development and evolution itself. theists who claim dominion over interpretation of natural cause and effect are a cancer that needs to be extirpated from the species"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nScientific theories are also confirmed by observation. Though evolution is confirmed and replicated whenever a new breed is created"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nEvolution is a false god"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>82\nAlright, I'll concede that God may merely be allowing for us to be tricked.\nEven if I personally don't see a distinction between allowing, and causing, for an omnipotent being like God.\n\nWhat's the theological explanation for this? It seems highly unexpected given the Bible being the true word of God"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>unknown\nHe’s naming genetic evidence for evolution and you can’t address it."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>86\nTested how?\nLike predicting that certain evidence can be found, given the theory is true, then that evidence is found exactly where the theory predicted?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nThe one tricking you is yourself and the reason is sin. What we have here is a manifestation of the noetic effects of sin.\n>>93\nEvolutionism is a historical theory, because its claims are about events in the past. But you can only test the present, you don't know what happened in the past because you weren't there, God was there and He told us what happened."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nIf I had a theory of the caldera off the coast being formed by a volcano eruption in the past\nIn principle, how could I go about testing that?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\nsin doesn’t exist, you are just like hippy white bitches who call on the concept of karma and take joy when people who at one time vested them receive some form of misfortune\n\nyou can’t fathom that things have natural causes and natural effects so you have to cope with concepts of divine punishment and reward"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\n*bested"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>86\n*Falsifiable, and thats an overly narrow definition. Popper's work was important, but if you are to take that definition, any explanation of a historical process would be a conjecture. Evolution does not contradict other observations in the corpus of science, has predictive power and explanatory power, and is based on falsifiable principles (hereditary mutation). This is good science by any modern phil. of science standard."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n>sin doesn’t exist\nHe said, sinning"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>90\nyou’re actually retarded"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nif i do something that is a “sin” it is only a sin insoasfar as it actually has negative consequences for me in the real world connected by natural causal chain.\n\nyour idea of sin as producing divine, non-naturally caused problems for the sinner is retarded"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nA sin is a violation of divine law."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nhence why i said it doesn’t exist"}, {"id": 104, "content": "is the creationism vs evolution still a thing in the US?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>94\nSay you were hit by a ball and nobody was around to witness it save one. The witness claims a portal opened and the ball came out and hit you. What do you, the induction skeptic and eye-witness absolutist, think happened?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nnot really, its mostly only die hard larpers that still try to insist creationism is a thing, but since religion is dying in the US less people take them seriously each day"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nand thank god for that, seriously"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>104\nI’ve never encountered it in real life but I also live in New England. I hear it’s popular out in the desolate south and Midwest where they are poor and have terrible schooling."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nchrist shit has always been a religion for the dispossessed poor masses of uneducated people. to be a christian means you grew up not even within smelling distance of actual culture"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>95\n>caldera off the coast being formed by a volcano eruption in the past\nThat sounds like it happened more than 6000 years ago, your theory is false"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n>to be a christian means you grew up not even within smelling distance of actual culture\nThank God, if I could smell this I would puke"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nyou do realize that when you have dominion for 2000 years, you are responsible for what grows out of that. tranny shit and SJW shit is the reductio ad absurdum of christian pity"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n>It's whitey's fault I rob the liquor store"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\nIf the theory of atheism is true, should we expect to see such things as your picture?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>111\n>larper trying to attach the downfall of whites to athiesm\n>when the only group that states religious are africans and spics in South America\n>said religion also discourages its followers from treating immigrants poorly\nah I always love autists trying to use christianity for their racial larp, and then slowly realizing its a contradictory position"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>111\nWild that this is occurring in a majority christian country, and not in one of the predominately atheist countries."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\n>>when the only group that states religious are africans and spics in South America\nWhich are not the degenerate self-exterminating godless whites, really makes you think"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>113\nPresumably whitey wouldn't have chosen to create a liquor store he knew with 100% certainty would be robbed, unless his goal was for that to happen. Whitey has the power to obtain his goals without failure.\nWhitey is perfect and self-sufficient, whitey doesn't need to create a liquor store"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>113\nno moreso when you spend 2000 years promoting an ideology of pity, don’t be surprised when the secularization of said ideology leads to tranny pity"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n>South America and Africa\n>not also filled with degens\nlets not even get into their giga shithole status"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt doesn't really make sense when you break it down. How do wings develop? Or even just the flying squirrel. Wings or even flaps of flesh that would allow an animal to glide, would have to start with useless stubs that don't do anything that were accidentally mutated. Why would that become an attractive trait that progresses forward and develops into something useful? Why would useless nubs of flesh put specimens ahead in the scale of survival of the fittest?\n\nIt doesn't make any sense. A fleshy uselessness in my armpit would not make women find me attractive. I would be a genetic freak. The only way wings or gliding mechanisms could have evolved, would be spontaneous. But that's not what their theory is."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nfiltered by poor imagination combined with lack of reading relevant material"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\nI would much rather have a God-fearing woman from the jungles of the amazon or out of blackest Africa than a secular white woman of modernity."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nweak people need other weak people, you’re only disgusted by the secular mirror of your own ideology. christian pity is no different than sjw pity."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\nI accept your concession. Yoo've offered nothing of substance in response."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>121\nThere is a misconception that evolution happens at a constant rate very slowly over a very long period of time. This if demonstrably false though, just look at how some humans are born with webbed hands. This doesn't entail that any mutation will go on to start a new species, that is dependent on luck and is the reason why evolution occurs over a long period of time. Scientists believe that winged animals developed from gliding animals and this is supported by the fossil record, why is this so difficult to accept?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\ni don’t want you to become smarter, you are already within a slave ideology, makes it easier for me"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">i don’t want you to become smarter, you are already within a slave ideology, makes it easier for me"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nshouldn’t you be prostrating yourself or something"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>127\nserious cringe"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>126\nRight but I already talked about gliding animals. Are you suggesting that gliding animals instantaneously were birthed one day? The ability to glide just happened one day? Because if it was a process at all that involved one other step where they couldn't glide, then the theory makes no sense.\n\nWhy would this, glideless, first step be a beneficial trait to pass on? After all, the theory of evolution is fundamentally based on traits mutating that offer some sort of edge, and thus help that line survive and reproduce."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\neducating christians is beneath me"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nnah man, you have to be trolling or 13 in which case get off this site"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\ni am trolling them bc they have already proven themselves intellectually castrated. why try to teach an ape physics?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\n>gliding animals instantaneously were birthed one day\nwow! that theory sounds sorta improbable\nI got this other theory, that this universe's cause (some guy that died on a cross 2000 years ago) created them by way of magic.\n\nHow should we go about figuring out which of these competing theories are most probable?"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nI'm not a Christian. I understand you'd rather argue about something more comfortable. But I'm happy in your continued concessions of your inability to offer anything of substance in response."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nHow do you make sense of flying squirrels?\nI'm telling you that they were just instantly birthed one day.\n\nDo you have a better explanation?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\n>I'm telling you that they were just instantly birthed one day\nSo then, are you suggesting that one day a human baby could be born that can glad around the mountains and trees? Is that your theory? If it is not, why not?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nglide*"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\naren’t there humans with webbed toes as a result of this same exact process"}, {"id": 141, "content": "reminder that actual Christianity accepted evolution in 1950"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>138\nYou pointed out the flaw in my theory of evolution, that complex traits would have to come out fully formed by random mutations (I mistakenly believed it to be a gradual process)\nI have now switched theories, into a theory of evolution were animals spontaneously evolve new traits by extreme random chance\n\nNow, this theory seems really improbable. But how else would you explain the data? (that there are animals with different complex traits/features)"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>140\nThere are, but that doesn't make them swim faster or something. That would be an example of a first step evolution that doesn't grant any kind of benefit. Thus it would not be something to enhance their ability to reproduce.\n\nOf course squirrels can be born with little useless webbing in their armpits. All kinds of mutations can happen. And some actually are beneficial and do lead to an like evolutionary process model. But this wouldn't serve any kind of purpose. Wouldn't grant them any kind of evolutionary advantage to reproduce. So why would that trait get passed down more than non webbed squirrels?"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nif it doesn’t hinder their ability to reproduce then it would just get passed on until the later mutations that do give advantage develop from it"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nDo you seriously think biologist have no explanation for this?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\n>But how else would you explain the data?\nIf you just came up with the big bang right now and submitted the idea, it's not an argument to say that since I cannot provide a better explanation, that I don't have standing in my criticisms of yours. We can all speculate. I can't prove what occurred. I can't come up with a perfectly sound theory. But you cannot either. That's all I'm pointing out. We are both in the same boat. We are speculating. The only difference is that I can admit that holes can be poked in whatever I can speculate. You don't seem willing to make that jump. Thus it is you with the faith, not me."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>144\nThat's a pretty good answer. Well done. I'll have to think about that for a little bit and then I'll respond."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\nI got a really poor explanation\nYou have not told me your explanation"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>144\nSo, I suppose if this were true, most species would have traits that are completely useless -- But do not hinder them. Just come out bizarre mutations, that serve no purpose, but are all over their bodies and in them. I don't know if one could claim that this is observable. But will continue thinking about this one because it is a good answer."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\n>You have not told me your explanation\nAs I've stated, I don't have a perfect sound explanation. Just a speculations that could be many different things, and easy to poke holes in. Just like evolution."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>149\nid imagine there is a psychological thing keeping the un-useful mutations from getting too out of hand.\n\nfemales don’t wanna fuck a dude with six toes type shit."}, {"id": 152, "content": "So like, if extra nubby flesh between a squirrel's arms and legs made it so it had slightly more air resistance when falling from the top of tree, so it doesn't smash to the death against the ground\nIs it conceivable that this squire would live to pass it's genes on?\nMaybe it's descendant mutate bigger nubs, that allowed to survive falling from a taller tree, and so on..\nA story about how you get flying squirrels\n\nbtw, I think it's super weird how you object to wings/webbing between it arms and legs being a feasible mutation, but allow for \"nubs\"\nJust go like: \"there is no gene for nubs! Do you think the gene for numbs mutated by random chance?\""}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\nIt would be a bit of a leap. Possible, but I can't imagine why I would be more attractive to a woman with mutated fleshy armpits that could perhaps, someday down the line, become a useful gliding mechanism.\n\nUltimately, all kinds of different mutations must be happening and getting passed down that do not hinder procreation, but ultimately will result in hindering procreation or enhancing it -- Which theoretically should be incredibly more rare than passed on mutations that ultimately hinder (and that line dies out) or do nothing forever.\n\n>Tl;Dr: where are all the \"fleshy armpited squirrels\", so to speak, right now that might one day turn into more?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>150\nDo you have any explanation?"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\nthis is a good explanation too\n\n>>153\ni didn’t say you’d be more attractive, it just has to not make you less attractive enough that you don’t reproduce. also recall that in the wild rape is common"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>152\n>So like, if extra nubby flesh between a squirrel's arms and legs made it so it had slightly more air resistance when falling from the top of tree, so it doesn't smash to the death against the ground\nThat would be an explanation, but it would also be a spontaneous evolution of gliding. If the theory of evolution incorporates for something like that happening, then I'd say it's a better theory. But from what I understand, it does not provide for spontaneous evolutions like that. If I'm wrong on that, then I'd like to know."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>131\nBear in mind that embryonic development comes from something bloblike, limbs and digits separate later. In some cases this process fails, hence the webbed fingers for some humans. It isn't miraculous, just a result of development. That this happened in the past for other species is plausible. Also keep in mind that the areas where animals glide are rainforests, which are more conducive to vertical movement than horizontal movement. If nimble animals are leaping from tree to tree, gliding appendages would be useful and potentially selected for."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>153\nJust hopping into this conversation to tell you guys that the amount of extra skin needed on the side of a squirrel to increase horizontal jump distance is basically nothing. It easily could have been that the first mutation created a horizontal jump advantage."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>155\n>i didn’t say you’d be more attractive, it just has to not make you less attractive enough that you don’t reproduce. also recall that in the wild rape is common\nIt's still begs the question about where are all these middle of the road mutations being passed on that don't hinder reproduction. They should be all over the place. Every species should have an assortment of different varieties of uselessly diverse mutations within them."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>149\nThat sounds exactly like what we observe in nature, lol\nThere are millions of freaks with 6 toes and webbed fingers all over the globe\n\nIn isolated populations, you even see everyone having the same mutation - that has been passed down to them"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>158\nIf the theory is that gliding spontaneously evolved in one generation, then I'd just like to know that that is the theory. Evolutionists seem unwilling to admit their theory relies upon spontaneous generation being a thing. Which is something I'm just trying to illustrate."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\nWell those are all hindrances to reproduction. If we see such things in the animal kingdom, those specimens are not surviving. I, in no way, am suggesting that mutant babies can't occur. They do all the time. But the proposition here is that traits that do not hinder reproduction are passed down, and thus become plentiful. Running parallel to the previous unmutated version. We should see raccoons with a fifth leg on their backs, or something, small enough to not get in the way and just do nothing. We should see things like this all over the place. But we don't."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>149\nGoogle \"vestigial organ\""}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>161\nMore like long jumping then gliding.\nFlight always develops in very small species that are jumping from tree to tree. This is a genuinely simple problem man."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nWell, vestigial organs were once useful organs that are now not useful anymore. What is being suggested here is that mutations occur that serve no purpose whatsoever from the start. But since they do not hinder procreation, they are passed forward until one day they may perhaps spawn a positive mutation from the previous mutation that leads to evolutionary progression.\n\nIf that is true, most species should have plenty of useless traits that never served a purpose whatsoever."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>162\n>We should see raccoons with a fifth leg on their backs, or something, small enough to not get in the way and just do nothing.\nMutated animals are found in the wild. A fully formed leg isn’t just going to form in a back though, you get protrusions and extra digits and such though"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>162\nAnimals instinctually don't breed with visibly altered members of their species in the wild. If the visibly altered animal has an adaptation that allows it to survive better, it might be able to, but in the presence of competition this wouldn't happen. And this is observed in mating preferences, not conjectured."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>162\nlook, I got a mutation that lets me digest cow milk without getting runny shits\nmy Asian buddy does not"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>164\nYou're just using different terminology to try to make it seem different than gliding. You are suggesting that in one generation, fleshiness happened that allowed that specimen to have an advantage in procreation. Even if the specimen gets one extra second of air time, it's still gliding. That's still an absolutely huge development spontaneously. At which point you would have to submit that a human being could be born that could glide through the air for a second or two spontaneously. That this is part of your theory."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>161\nIf the questions you are asking had already been satisfactory answered by biologists\nwould that make you think it's more probable that the theory of evolution is true?"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>166\n>Mutated animals are found in the wild.\nRight but we're talking about numerous populations of the useless mutation. If the theory is that useless mutations, that do not hinder procreation, are thus passed down, we should be seeing large populations of raccoons with unhindering fifth legs on their back, for example. Not just one unique mutant out there. But populations of the same mutation being carried down."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>169\nGliding is something an animals does\nsomething a light animal with connective webbing between it's arms and legs would be able to do"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>169\nHumans are too heavy. Webbing comes from incomplete separation of body parts during embryonic development, it can occur in many species but only small, light tree-dwellers can take advantage of it."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>169\n>You are suggesting that in one generation, fleshiness happened that allowed that specimen to have an advantage in procreation. Even if the specimen gets one extra second of air time, it's still gliding. That's still an absolutely huge development spontaneously.\nIt’s really not. As another anon told you membranes and extra flesh are the default and they’re “deleted” in the embryo usually. Even if that’s not the case it’s literally just extra skin\n\n>At which point you would have to submit that a human being could be born that could glide through the air for a second or two spontaneously. That this is part of your theory.\nNo anon, the square cubed law prohibits this and is precisely why flight develops in small creatures and only small creatures, then their descendants that already have wings can only then begin to increase in size."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>167\n>Animals instinctually don't breed with visibly altered members of their species in the wild.\nThen that does away with one theory of evolution put forth in this thread. That non-survival-hindering mutations can still get passed down. If there is a mutation that does not hinder survival in any way whatsoever, or enhance it, then I'm told it is a non-issue and can continue to get passed down until it spawns something potentially useful.\n\nYou are now suggesting that this cannot happen. And mutants, even with something useless, like a fleshy armpit that might one day turn into something that glides, would be shunned from reproduction because they would look like a mutant. This would mean we're back to spontaneous gliding being the theory within evolution."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>171\nI’m not the one who told you the first pseudo wings were useless, I believe that anon was wrong.\nWings developed in mammals first with extra skin that enabled further jumps and safer falls"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>134\nBut Anon, you believe you are an ape"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>170\nIf there are satisfactory answers, I'd like to have a conversation with somebody that knows those answers. If that person is here then hopefully I'll get a conversation with him. This is 4chan, not a scientific journal. We're here to just discuss things. If you have more insight on an issue, I'd be happy to hear it. Until then I'm going to pose questions that seem difficult to answer; that I've yet to have satisfaction from any kind of reading material I've come across."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>159\n>skin color"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>172\nAll right, so you are suggesting that gliding is just a spontaneous generation. But a prerequisite is that the specimen must be light enough. I would love to see an illustration of the proposed mammal that first spawned an ability to glide. And what kind of massive body transformation is suggested to have happened in one generation."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>173\nThat's fair."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>177\nyou still don’t get evolution huh\nhumans != apes anymore so than a dog is a wolf"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>174\nOk that's fair"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>178\n>I would like to know\nThen I would suggest for you to start studding biology\n\nBut I don't really believe you. You seem super resistant to the dumbed-down explanations and speculation that is being provided.\nAlmost like you got a bias against there being a non-magic explanation, I don't get it."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>176\nSo you are suggesting that gliding, even adding an extra second or two to a fall, is something that spontaneously generated?"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>175\nNot suggesting it can't happen at all, just that its rare. There is no \"extra appendage\" dna sequence, a mutation affects a lot of things and a mutation that causes an extra arm would be very serious. Most cases would have the animal not fit to reproduce, and phenotypical animals wouldnt reproduce with it.\n\nThat being said, mating doesn't require consent. An animal that wants to mate can. And if there is a lack of competition, and the mutated animal is still around (say an event happens where the mutation offers an advantage in surviving) then they can still mate. The point is that mating with mutated animals is rare, but can happen. And that when it does happen its often because the mutation offers some advantage, or at least doesn't hinder it.\n\nAlso, not all evolution happens rapidly. There is also sexual selection, which happens over a longer time frame."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>182\n>humans != apes\nWhat are you one of those creationists, don't you believe in the holy word of our prophet Darwin"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>175\nlook at all the variation within species, those are the useless mutations that get passed on bc they aren’t crazy enough (like a fifth leg, wtf you handicap) to hinder reproduction"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>179\nSkin color seems to have a lot to do with adaptation to how close one is to the equator. Far from useless. I also wouldn't consider pigmentation a value that contributes at all to evolution."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>180\n>But a prerequisite is that the specimen must be light enough.\nEven today almost all bats are tiny very light creatures. Flying squirrels are also small and light even for squirrels.\n\nIt’s literally just extra skin between limbs and/or fingers anon.\nA bat wings are literally just long fingers with membrane between them"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>184\nCan you give me an example of a dumbed down explanation in this thread that should satisfy my questions. Go ahead."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>189\nusefulness isn’t binary, it has degrees"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>185\nYes clearly. It’s just extra skin. As another anon told you in the case of bats the skin is there in fetal state and is literally just not deleted"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>184\n>Almost like you got a bias against there being a non-magic explanation\nReminder that evolution is based on the religion of naturalism"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>191\nWhat was your question. again?\nThe squirrel explanation seemed good"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>191\nSmall and very light tree dwelling creatures benefit from a membrane or extra skin that increases jump distance and fall safety.\nIn bats it is 100% the same type of mutation a human with webbed digits has. The skin between digits is not deleted."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>186\nBut you are relying on the idea that my example mutation is something that actually would hinder the reproduction of the animal. I'll try to think of something more benign. Half of a paw. It in no way would get in the way of survival. Or just imagine your own mutation that wouldn't get in the way of survival. The idea being suggested is that there are all kinds of mutations like that, that are benign, and do not hinder survival. It is not my suggestion, but the suggestion of another person in this thread supporting evolution. To go along with this idea, on must then recognize there would be a countless array of these different mutations that don't hinder survival all over every species. I don't believe that this is observable."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>188\nI was trying to think of a benign mutation. Think of your own benign mutation. Calling mine out for not being benign enough does not go after the point being discussed. Pretend it's just half of a paw that sticks out of the back and does nothing. It doesn't get in the way whatsoever. We would be seeing mutations like that all over the place with every species."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>190\nI do understand that, but I want to specifically talk about when that generated. And how long it took to generate. I understand full flight is theorized to have spawned off of remedial primordial gliding over many generations. So that's why I'm only interested in talking about very elementary gliding. The initial node zero. Was that or was that not an instantaneous one generation mutation? An ability to glide for an extra second or two over a jump? Just enough to make it advantageous to have as a trait."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>198\n>Pretend it's just half of a paw that sticks out of the back and does nothing. It doesn't get in the way whatsoever. We would be seeing mutations like that all over the place with every species.\nAnon genetics doesn’t really do that. You do get extra digits and feet but they are placed right with the other digits and feet and those mutations happen but often are deadly due to locomotion issues."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>193\nWell that's all I wanted to know. You're theory is that something like gliding is a spontaneous evolution. This is typically fought back by evolutionists. But you are now saying that this is the case."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>191\nmutations happen when reproduction happens in the process of cell division or some shit miosis? that’s the term they use\n\nsome mutations are useful or aethetically interesting and they get passed on bc the holder can smash hella pussy with his nice new fur coat\n\nsome mutations happen but don’t outwardly express themselves much, they just change a couple bits in the genotype (the sequence of DNA itself) without having that change be expressed in the phenotype (what you see when you look at the animal with your eyes). these can build up overtime as they won’t hinder anything reproduction wise if they aren’t outwardly expressed and don’t make them sterile or retarded.\n\na mutation happens on a sub sequence of dna that has built up non-phenotypical mutations. this mutation changes something that allows the built up mutations when combined with this new change to sudden express itself in a wildly new way when read out to the phenotypical representation\n\ntldr; my nigga the brown bear had incest too many times and his fucking kid came out white, the ice age hits and all the nigga-bears die bc they stand out like a mf to that crazy ass animal that always eats us. leaving only the retarded white bears alive to smash the remaining hoes"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>199\n>Was that or was that not an instantaneous one generation mutation? An ability to glide for an extra second or two over a jump? Just enough to make it advantageous to have as a trait.\nThat is the most parsimonious and sensical explanation yes"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>194\nI'm not a naturalist, I'm a supernaturalist\nI believe in ghosts, I have had serval spooky experiences\n\nIf I need to incorporate ghosts into the theory of evolution, I will\nMaybe new traits are caused by poltergeists with the specific desire to cause the traits we are trying to explain (sounds ad hoc, I know!)\n\nDo not assume constraints on the power of poltergeists, they got magic\nThey can explain anything, because they can do everything"}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>201\n>This is typically fought back by evolutionists.\nWhat biologists deny that the first gliding structure was not beneficial?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>200\nOkay, that's a fair answer. So I can think of genetics as something like crystalline structure. There are defined routes genetics can take mutations. I believe this is what you are saying. If you are not, then I apologize and I would like a clarification."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>197\n1. phenotypical animals wont want to mate with it\n2. mutations like that don't just add an extra appendage, its going to have far reaching and harmful effects\n3.>>200 what he said"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>206\nthe code changing that would be required to make a new appendage is massive compared to what usually happens each generation. so to make a new appendage would require an absurdly long sequence of just the right mutations to the dna sequence that is basically statistically impossible"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>206\nAnything can happen but visible mutations are already rare, a foot is a complex structure and location on the animal is part of the code\nYou might get a protrusion on the back of an extra toe on each foot but you’re almost certainly not getting all of that at once"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>202\nI think your post is consistent with the theory of evolution. But it again begs the question as to why we do not see countless large populations of different species with useless mutations all over the place. Benign mutations that don't get in the way of survival at all. Not just inapparent non expressive ones.\n\nThis situation was presented by in anon in this thread to explain how gliding can happen over time because fleshy armpits would not hinder reproduction. So they are passed down benign way until they eventually have a function.\n\nI'm just wondering which way the theory actually goes? That seems to be some dispute here. Others are saying gliding was a spontaneous generation, albeit remedial/primordial. So the specimens had survival advantage immediately."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>209\nya precisely, you’d need a massively long generational sequence of just the right mutations for some complex part to duplicate itself at some other location"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>210\nnot all mutations express themselves phenotypcially, id wager most don’t. it’s a process of building up change that doesn’t express itself until one day the wave crests"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>210\nAnon I have more of a university biology education than most people here and I’ll tell you right now that anon was wrong. The first skin and membrane mutation in bats and squirrels was almost certainly a leaping and falling advantage, and not a useless trait."}, {"id": 214, "content": "Assuming we know nothing about biology, what most likely?\n\nThat new traits got a natural explanation\nor\nThat new traits got a supernatural explanation"}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>203\nWell as a critic of evolution, I find that to be the most sound and the one I would have the most problems with in debunking. But I also don't believe most evolutionists agree with that."}, {"id": 216, "content": "Btw, there is no gene for 'foot'\nthis is so silly"}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>215\n>But I also don't believe most evolutionists agree with that.\nGuy I don’t know what an evolutionist is but the only opinions that matter here are biologists and people who know what the biologists say about it."}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>207\n>phenotypical animals wont want to mate with it\nThen that means apparent benign mutations, themselves, are a hindrance to procreation. You thus cannot have a situation where a benign mutation happens in one generation and then is built on in further generations. Those specimens, according to you, cannot reproduce and thus will die out."}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>215\nWhat answers was this criticism given, and why do you reject them?"}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>206\nA cell has a genetic code. This genetic code is made up of genes. Each gene is a discrete unit that tells the cell to make a gene product (it's actually a lot more complicated but let's just say that 1 gene = 1 protein for the sake of ease). But genes aren't the WHAT of the code, just the where. An allele is the \"what\". You have 11 genes (sites in the code) that control your hair color. Human hair color has pigmentation, black/brown and red/yellow. Your scalp cells make the hair, and then make the pigment, and then make pigment-deleter enzymes. This is a really common thing in molecular biology, the \"make a bunch of stuff and then trim it down\" trick.\n\nThe alleles are the specific amino acid sequences inhabiting the 11 sites. A person with brown hair has different alleles at those 11 sites than a person with red hair (a person with red hair has lots of brown/black pigment deleter, but very little red/yellow pigment deleter).\n\nBecause an allele is a specific amino acid sequence, and due to how DNA works, there are only so many ways that a given allele can mutate. So, the allele that controls 1/11th of you hair color can't suddenly code for a third arm because the sequence has a set physical structure (the way that the atoms that make it up are arranged). A given gene is thus limited in what it can do, and how much.\n\nSo, yes, there are defined routes that mutations can take. HOWEVER, a mutation CAN arise such that the gene (the site on the code) changes, but that requires other mutations in more \"structural\" areas of the cell."}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>209\nDon't get me wrong, a lot of aspects of evolution are absolutely true. We can watch adaptation in real time. We do have these functions through mutations. But this theory doesn't explain everything, in my opinion. Unless we also have spontaneous generation. Which generally evolutionists will fight against. My point is merely to illustrate that they must include that in their theory if they want a sound theory."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>220\nFantastic post"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>213\nWell you're the kind of person I want to talk to. So the suggestion is that a specimen was born that could utilize fleshy webbing to add an extra second or two to a jump, or what have you? That would certainly not be a useless trait, and thus be in line with evolutionary dynamics. But it also illustrates one generation massive leaps in evolutionary utility are a normal dynamic."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>221\n>Unless we also have spontaneous generation. Which generally evolutionists will fight against.\nIt’s called biology and the experts biologists. You should be consulting them or people who know biology. So far only myself and especially this guy >>220\nknow what they’re talking about.\nThe first mutation that led to gliding was useful at first mutation or it would not have spread."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>221\nGuess your beliefs commits you to a modified theory of evolution + spontaneous generation"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>223\n>So the suggestion is that a specimen was born that could utilize fleshy webbing to add an extra second or two to a jump, or what have you? That would certainly not be a useless trait, and thus be in line with evolutionary dynamics\nCorrect\n\nRemember, significant mutations are rare, natural selection is not a strong pressure and takes hundreds of thousands of years to do anything significant unless pressures like human activity dramatically alter the environment."}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>210\n>with useless mutations all over the plac\nWe do. There's all sorts of stupid shit on organisms that serves no purpose. This is called \"vestigiality\". We humans have muscles in our skulls that do nothing, the veins to our testicles are all kinds of goofy, we still have the genes for tails, and so on. 20% of our genetic code just does nothing at all (\"junk DNA\"), and instead serves as a mutation buffer. If 100% of your DNA coded for stuff, then a single error is a 100% mutation rate. If only 4/5ths code for stuff, then a single mutation only has a 4/5ths error rate. If the DNA evolves \"guards\" (such as duplication and what not), then you can lower that ratio even more.\n\nEvolution is a process by which individuals in a population are subject to a sorting mechanism that minimizes, for lack of a better term, energy expenditure, and maximizes fitness (ability to have kids). As long as you are above a minimum or below a maximum, you're good. You don't have to be perfect, you just have to be good enough. If 1% slower fall-speed because of your weird flappy armpits makes you \"good enough\" to breed, then you breed. If 1% faster fall-speed because of your svelt armpits makes you \"not good enough\" to breed, then you don't breed. Now apply that to an entire population over however long."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>225\nI have a minor in biology and took a class specifically on Evolution and never once heard “spontaneous generation” it’s just called a mutation"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>220\nAnd I have no issue with any of this. Adaptation is a real thing. Nobody with a sound mind would disagree that adaptation is something life is equipped with. The only issue is that adaptation is based on advantage from mutation. So it cannot function unless a mutation is advantageous, or at least benign enough to be passed around until it becomes advantageous. This is why I think talking about how gliding evolved is important. Because unless it was a spontaneous one generation leap in evolution, there was no evolutionary advantage or adaptive advantage, if you will, to its primordial stages. But not only that, if it required primordial stages, then we would see primordial stages of a lot of different developments in every species. With large populations of these developments.\n\nBasically, I believe adaptation is exploited to imply a lot of things the evolution of life from a single cell organism does not actually explain."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>229\nAnon I can’t stress enough how much a flying squirrel ancestor just has excess skin on its body and it’s one of the least incredible mutations imaginable"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>228\nSpontaneous generation is a description of a process. One doesn't need to use typical jargon to deliver meaning of principles. That's more of a linguistic issue and completely beside the point.\n\nThus far, you've only illustrated life's ability to adapt. But have yet to illustrate why an adaptation would prosper without any kind of benefit at the start of the adaptation. And if we have all these different benign processes of adaptation in the works. Where are they? Every species should have many of these going on."}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>228\nMost evolotionists would fight against that"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>230\nSounds like we should have lots of different flying rodents, then. All with different lines of mutation that form separately because it's such a remedial deformity."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>231\n>Thus far, you've only illustrated life's ability to adapt. But have yet to illustrate why an adaptation would prosper without any kind of benefit at the start of the adaptation.\nAnon you’re latching onto the words of the only guy in the thread who didn’t know what he was talking about. The first mutation for a flying squirrel would have had to have been useful.\nI’m not explaining this to you again and I’m going to regret being civil with you if you keep repeating it."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>226\n>like human activity dramatically alter the environment.\nTo add onto what this anon says here, go look at dog breeds if you want to see \"random shit\". Border Collies get random seizures, basically every breed WILL die from some specific illness after a very specific period of time, many breeds can barely breathe, or get some very specific cancer that makes them useless, etc. Natural Selection is minimizing the number of deleterious \"random-bullshits\" while maximizing the number of beneficial \"random-bullshits\".\n\n>>225\nThe field's come a long way since Darwin. This stuff is really fucking complicated.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_synthesis_(20th_century)#Later_syntheses\n\n>>229\n>The only issue is that adaptation is based on advantage from mutation. So it cannot function unless a mutation is advantageous, or at least benign enough to be passed around until it becomes advantageous.\nAbsolutely not, there's plenty of stuff that has no bearing on an organism's survival. An example would be the leftover pigmentation in various cave critters that live in total darkness. There's no selective pressure to lose pigmentation and be 100% translucent.\n\n>unless it was a spontaneous one generation leap in evolution, there was no evolutionary advantage or adaptive advantage\nA mutation doesn't need to be advantageous to occur. Rather, an organism that is more fit will be more likely to breed. Some mutations do absolutely nothing for an organism, like the pigmentation of internal organs, and so there's no selection in either direction.\n\n>then we would see primordial stages of a lot of different developments in every species\nWe do. Go look up any of the myriad of extinct ancient animals that are just \"some ancestor of modern bears\". We're living in the period of the \"primordial super-corvid\" and the \"primordial wolf-dog-coyote masterrace\" right now."}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>233\nAmong the tree dwelling rodents they have flying species called flying squirrels. Most rodents spend their lives on the ground and don’t have any benefit from flight.\nAnon you’re smart enough to get this and not learn from this exchange."}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>232\nDisagree and biologists and biology are all that matter here. The one guy here who got it wrong that you’re referring to while ignoring what the rest of us tell you was incorrect."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>231\nIs it possible that \"a mutation\" would come with multiple traits?\nlike tiny nubs/webbing (might not always be expressed. just latent in the dna) + the ability to resists some kind of disease, etc"}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>234\nYou should probably refrain from using an anonymous message board if you are unable to deal with confusion from the sources of propositions. You already sound like you have emotional problems. Maybe move on."}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>233\nThere are. \"Tree-rat that flies/glides\" has evolved at least five times (Pteromyini, Chiroptera, Acrobatidiae, Pseudocheiridae, Petauridae), once in bats, once in true flying squirrels, and three separate times in \"weird shit in Oceania\"."}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>239\nYou’re replying to my posts with the opinions of a different person.\nYou’re deliberately doing it because you need to pick the worst argument for evolution in order to keep acting like opposing it makes sense."}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>235\nThanks anon. I'll think about this stuff more. I appreciate your post."}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>240\nBased biologist anon"}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe theory of evolution is a widely accepted scientific theory that explains how species change and adapt over time through the process of natural selection. The theory is based on a vast amount of empirical evidence from various fields of science, including genetics, paleontology, biogeography, and more.\n\nThe evidence for evolution includes the fossil record, comparative anatomy and embryology, molecular biology, and observations of natural selection in action. The theory has been tested and validated through numerous experiments and observations and is widely accepted within the scientific community.\n\nIt is important to note that scientific theories are not just popular conjectures, but rather are explanations of natural phenomena that have been rigorously tested, supported by evidence, and subject to revision as new evidence is discovered. The theory of evolution is no exception and continues to be refined as new research is conducted.\n\nIn conclusion, the theory of evolution is a well-established scientific theory that has been extensively tested and supported by evidence. It is widely accepted in the scientific community and is not a conjecture or a matter of personal opinion"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>238\n>Is it possible that \"a mutation\" would come with multiple traits?\nYes. Many proteins are multi-use. FOXP2 (a protein that's key in language functioning in the brain) is used for all sorts of brain stuff, speech, motor control, and also appears to have some kind of structural function in joints. It's also used by bats, birds, and mice in vocalization and audio processing. Another example is Dwarfism, which is caused by an over-production of an enzyme that causes bones to stop growing (as in, the size at which they \"freeze\" and stop getting bigger). The (over)production of this enzyme affects ALL of your bones, not just like, one specific bone.\n\n>>240\nAlso, just to add to this: I'm assuming that bats are monophyletic (there is a theoretical \"bat Adam and Eve\") because there's no evidence that they aren't, but given that bats are like, 50 million years old, it's entirely possible that the modern bat lineage is actually the result of several instances of convergent evolution by proto-bats that could breed.\n\nAn example of that would be like how modern humans come from like 4-6 hominid lineages, or what is probably going to happen with canids in the future when dogs, coyotes, and wolves merge until there's just one macro-canine, with no clear evidence of there ever having been three separate lineages that spliced apart from the ancestral wolf and then re-combined."}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>237\nhow the fuck did i get it wrong by saying not all mutations express themselves phenotypically and this not all mutations that are passed on are necessarily beneficial. benign simply means not useful but not hindering either. therefore any mutation that didn’t express itself phenotypically would be considered benign.\n\njust bc i was dumbing it down doesn’t mean i got it wrong"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>169\nNo, a human cannot. You cannot act as if organism magnitude is of no relevance. I want you to understand just how non-trivial mathematical considerations are. A squirrel is 3 to 4 orders of magnitude smaller than a human. This interfaces with things like the square cube law.\nA tiny mammal with in principle 90% the same equipment as a giant elephant can more readily derive use from random fleshy exaggerations."}, {"id": 248, "content": "Remember, when you are arguing with a christian, this is the type of person you are arguing with. A knowledge-base smaller than your average middle schooler who no matter how many times has it explained to him will never grasp your argument."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Americans talk a lot about Midway or Guadalcanal. But the fact is the Soviets really defeated Japan. In a few weeks they defeated the pride of the Japanese army, the Kwangtung army, taking 600 000 prisoners, while the US only faced the japanese navy.\nThey also were getting ready to invade Hokkaido. Japan surrendered because they were rapidly defeated by the Soviets, not because of the bombs."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>attack reserve units aft the tail end of a war after Chinese, American, and local resistance combined with a mass resource embargo had ground their war machine down to a halt\n\nNope! Sorry, but that’s a lie!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnd yet America never managed to defeat such a significant Japanese force."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYes they did, plus the opened up the path to bombing the Japanese mainland which is really what turned the tide of the war. Not a bunch of vatniks attacking reservists and Chinese conscripts who didn’t want to be there."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Not a bunch of vatniks attacking reservists and Chinese conscripts who didn’t want to be there.\nThe Kwangtung army was the best Japan had. And they were defeated in a matter of days. Sakhalin and the Kurils were also quickly invaded and Hokkaido was going to be invaded as well before the Japanese shat themselves and surrendered to the Americans."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Kwangtung army was the best Japan had\nCitation? Reference? Logic?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The decision to surrender was made before the Soviet invasion.\nThe emperor specifically names the atomic weapons in his speech as the reason for surrender.\n\nThe Japanese government wanted to surrender a long time ago. The military refused. The government couldnt sway the army to accept surrender because of some petty domestic issues like civilians starving and freezing to death, but they could when America showed them the nuclear bomb.\n\nThe soviet invasion however meant that Japan had lost its last diplomatic window for the soviets to act as mediators to prevent a full rape of Japans integrity by the USA during peace negotiations.\nWhen USSR invaded, Japan knew that unconditional surrender was the only surrender they were going to get (with one minor exception)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>our best army…. IS LE RESERVES\n>our mediocre army? FRONT LINE DUTY\n\nKeep going, this is funny"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>The Kwangtung army was the best Japan had\nThey did fuck all for almost a decade."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>The Kwantung Army became the most prestigious command in the Imperial Japanese Army, and many of its personnel won promotion to high positions in the Japanese military and civil government, including Hideki Tōjō and Seishirō Itagaki.\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwantung_Army"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Citation? Reference? Logic?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>When USSR invaded, Japan knew that unconditional surrender was the only surrender they were going to get (with one minor exception)\nAnd the Americans hastily accepted to let the emperor get away because they knew Japan was going to be completely defeated by the Soviets."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>12k soviets died (x2 wounded) just to see the US end the war with two bombs\nlmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nprestigious =/= good\nManchukuo was founded by the militarists so of course they'd promote their own people to positions of power."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nThe paragraph you cited is referring to the army’s condition during the outbreak of the Sino-Japanese war.\n\nHOWEVER here’s some clarification of how the army was stripped down over the course of WW2\n\n>As combat spread south into Central China and Southern China in the Second Sino-Japanese War, and with the outbreak of the Pacific War, Manchukuo was largely a backwater to the conflict. However, as the war situation began to deteriorate for the Imperial Japanese Army on all fronts, the large, well-trained, and well-equipped Kwantung Army could no longer be held in strategic reserve. Many of its front line units were systematically stripped of their best units and equipment, which were sent south to fight in the Pacific War against the forces of the United States in the Pacific Islands or the Philippines. Other units were sent south into China for Operation Ichi-Go."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n\nRegardless of how you spin it, the entire OP is arguing a false thesis.\nJapan had already decided to surrender before the USSR invasion. The atomic bombings were the most crucial factor to that decision."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>prestigious =/= good\nBut the most prestigious Japanese army can hardly be called a bunch of unmotivated conscripts."}, {"id": 18, "content": "As combat spread south into Central China and Southern China in the Second Sino-Japanese War, and with the outbreak of the Pacific War, Manchukuo was largely a backwater to the conflict. However, as the war situation began to deteriorate for the Imperial Japanese Army on all fronts, the large, well-trained, and well-equipped Kwantung Army could no longer be held in strategic reserve. Many of its front line units were systematically stripped of their best units and equipment, which were sent south to fight in the Pacific War against the forces of the United States in the Pacific Islands or the Philippines. Other units were sent south into China for Operation Ichi-Go.\n\nHits so nice, I had to post it twice\n\nThread over, communism LOSES AGAIN"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nAnd yet the Soviets captured 600 000 Japanese in a few days. Cope."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nReservist shitholers + Chinese conscripts + the Soviets were lying\n\nIt’s over, you lost just like the LOSERSSR"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nExcept the Soviets literally ran out men and tapped out and even considered signing their own treaty with Japan lmfao"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nBeing a professional at something doesn't mean being good either."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Except the Soviets literally ran out men and tapped out and even considered signing their own treaty with Japan lmfao\nThey were preparing to invade Hokkaido. Why would they plan a separate peace?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\n>America: What can we do to avoid this invasion?\n>Russia: How many retards do I need to throw at this problem until it's gone.\nAh, tradition."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nRussians ne like that.\nThey were even discussing peace with the Germans in 1943.\nWhen they were winning."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\n>Japan was going to be completely defeated by the Soviets.\n\n>By August 1945, the Pacific Fleet consisted of two cruisers, one destroyer leader, ten destroyers, two torpedo boats, 19 patrol boats, 78 submarines, ten minelayers, 52 minesweepers, 49 \"MO\" anti-submarine boats (MO stands for Maлый Oхoтник, or \"little hunter\"), 204 motor torpedo boats and 1459 war planes.\n\nhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>Americans : bomb civilians for years with no effect\n>Soviets : defeat the Japanese army in one week\nHere's your difference"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nSo? It obviously was enough to invade Sakhalin, Korea and the Kurils."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>So? Who cares about naval fleets for an amphibious invasion?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\n\nLmao made my laugh."}, {"id": 31, "content": "what was the japanese plan for china"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nIt just means even with a small fleet the Soviets were perfectly capable of amphibious assaults, and they proved it."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nYou keep trying to make the invasion sound impressive.\nThe invasion of a backwards and neglegted rearguard."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nsame as korea, turn it into one big puppet state then annex it as soon as they get their troops and secret police in"}, {"id": 35, "content": "pro tip\n\nwithout American lend lease aid the Soviets would have been spitroasted in 43\n\nthis is not up for debate, America secured the future of the free world you see today"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n\nBy 43 most of the german car park was out of service, half the werhmacht was riding donkeys, the russians didnt even do it it was just the mud it all got stuck in, even without the lend lease the red army would be pushing them back by the end of 44 even if they only had rocks to throw"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>>35\n>>34\n>>33\n>>32\n>>29\n>>28\n>>27\n>>26\n>>25\n>>24\n>>23\n>>22\n>>21\n>>20\n>>19\n>>17\n\n\nWHAT ARE YOU DUMB FUCKING MORONS EVEN ARGUING ABOUT.\n\nOP said Japan surrendered because of the Soviet invasion.\nHe was wrong.\nJapan had already decided to surrender before the invasion.\nThey surrendered because of the atomic bombing.\n\nEnd of thread ffs."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>>1 (OP)\nJapan did kinda surrender because of the soviets, but not because of their military might or battles lol. After the atomic bomb the Japan were holding out on the Soviets hoping they would be a neutral mediator in a surrender agreement b/w the US and japan as apposed to japan going into unconditional surrender. But once the soviets started attacking they knew that dream was out the window, so they just surrendered."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>12\nThis is gibberish"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nIt was real in your mind"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>17\nWhat? No. Prestigious means the aristocrats sent favored sons here to keep them out of trouble and groom them for aristocratic life."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>37\nthis is a gay fact that is literally only used as a \"huh erm actually\" snarky lil bait by actual trannys, faggots, and college professors trying to seem smart about ww2"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd that's why the Soviet invasion has a tiny paragraph dedicated to it on a wall in Yasukuni shrine, as opposed to the hallways and hallways of information on the Pacific War. And before you claim that it's cause Japan is a US vassal, if that were the case, Yasukuni would talk about nip warcrimes like the Nanking massacre, but it doesn't."}, {"id": 44, "content": "As combat spread south into Central China and Southern China in the Second Sino-Japanese War, and with the outbreak of the Pacific War, Manchukuo was largely a backwater to the conflict. However, as the war situation began to deteriorate for the Imperial Japanese Army on all fronts, the large, well-trained, and well-equipped Kwantung Army could no longer be held in strategic reserve. Many of its front line units were systematically stripped of their best units and equipment, which were sent south to fight in the Pacific War against the forces of the United States in the Pacific Islands or the Philippines. Other units were sent south into China for Operation Ichi-Go."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">As combat spread south into Central China and Southern China in the Second Sino-Japanese War, and with the outbreak of the Pacific War, Manchukuo was largely a backwater to the conflict. However, as the war situation began to deteriorate for the Imperial Japanese Army on all fronts, the large, well-trained, and well-equipped Kwantung Army could no longer be held in strategic reserve. Many of its front line units were systematically stripped of their best units and equipment, which were sent south to fight in the Pacific War against the forces of the United States in the Pacific Islands or the Philippines. Other units were sent south into China for Operation Ichi-Go."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">anon, tell me what happened again as combat spread south into Central China and Southern China in the Second Sino-Japanese War...."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>38\n>Japan did kinda surrender because of the soviets, but not because of their military might or battles\nOf course it did. Manchuria was conquered in a few weeks spanning fear in the Japanese elites. The Soviets were going to take all over Japan easily."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\n>And that's why the Soviet invasion has a tiny paragraph dedicated to it on a wall in Yasukuni shrine, as opposed to the hallways and hallways of information on the Pacific War.\nJapanese probably don't want to admit they were completely destroyed by the USSR in a matter of days."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nNo the USSR didn't have enough lend lease left to do that. Also Soviets were fleas compared to what the Americans were putting up."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>12\nThe Americans decided to keep the Emperor around to serve as a puppet figure to ease reconstruction. They feared that if they put him on trial it would cause the populace to revolt. The Soviets had planned to invade Hokkaido after their success at South Sakhalin and Kuril, but cancelled their plans due to lack of resources and because it was agreed upon at the Potsdam Declarations that the Home Islands would surrender to Douglas MacArthur."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>5\nThe Kwantung army that the Soviets faced were freshly raised garrison formations. The best units were sent piecemeal to the Pacific/ Burma-China and were destroyed by the Western armies."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>10\nThis isn't a battle record."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't the USSR's military victories that shocked Japan It was the fact that the invasion meant Japan could no longer use the USSR as a potential mediator between them and the Allies."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI thought the Soviets made a treaty with Japan"}, {"id": 55, "content": "wasnt the soviet attack, an opportunist move to the confused and morally defeated japanese because of the boms ?\n\nsoviets have the win vs germany i dont think they need more victories than that, let japan defeat to the americans"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nThey said SIKE"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>8\nLmfao well you put it that way"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>3\nyes they did. more than that in fact, although in segments. japan lost 600,000 men in the Phillipines and New Guinea."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They also were getting ready to invade Hokkaido\nFar lesser than US navy\nlmao sure tankie"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>US only fought at sea against nips\nOkinawa wants to have a word with you, OP."}, {"id": 61, "content": "Thoughts on following article?\nhttps://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nPure unfiltered copium"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe kwangtung army had been moved back to japan to prepare for downfall, the troops the russians faced were green recruits"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Adding \"muh\" to legitimate arguments doens't make them untrue lol"}, {"id": 2, "content": "/r same meme about missile technology"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>mig 21 had 500 losses\nAbout half those are fake claims by Iran.\n>flogger\nBomber.\n>foxbat\nRecon planes.\n>fulcrum\nFlankers.\n>American kills\nAll of those were against obsolete planes. If you compare specific matchups it fails.\nThe fishbed was about 1:1 with the phantom. The flogger and phantom never fought each other. The foxbat is 1-0 against the eagle. The fulcrum is 2-2 because package q."}, {"id": 4, "content": "beep, beep, beep"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nCommunism sucks at actually creating things that don't involve talent and currency black holes."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nThe existence of the petrodollar negates this claim."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nObligatory"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>currency black holes.\nThose are unique to capitalism. Communism only has labour and resource based black holes."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nyou are one of the worst name fags on this board please just go back to r/hoi4"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Those are unique to capitalism\n\nTell that to the Soviet economy planners who wagered their currency against fuel exports which wound up imploding.\n\n>>9\nOnly Paradox game I play is Stellaris"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\ncope"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n\nIn the 1960s, Soviet engineers created several computer lines in Moscow, Kiev, Minsk, Yerevan and Penza. All these machines were incompatible with each other, and each of them had to write all the software anew. Therefore, in 1967 [1969] the Soviet government decided to copy the best samples of Western computers, then to borrow software for them in the West.\n\n\nBut by 1970 none of the Soviet computers in use were third-generation machines; they were first-generation (tubes), and second-generation (transistors) machines equipped with wholly inadequate peripherals and relatively primitive software. The Soviet programmers lagged behind their American predecessors for 6-8 years.\n\nThe \"make or take\" decision haunted the Soviet computer industry. The Soviet government decided to put a stop to these unique Soviet developments and resolved to pirate copies of Western systems instead. As a result, an entire industry’s progress was halted. In addition, the industrial base necessary to make computers has not fully developed. Early Soviet efforts to copy the IBM System 360 were failures.\n\n“This was the worst possible decision,” says Yury Revich, a historian and programmer. “The Soviet government and partly the builders themselves were to blame for the fact that the industry ceased to develop independently. Each group cooked in its own juices and the regime of secrecy made it easier for several technological solutions to be borrowed from Western scientific journals.”"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n\nThe decision was made at the highest government levels of the Soviet Union to coordinate development and production of a new series of compatible machines with its COMECON partners. This series of machines – the Unified Series or ES – was to be based on the IBM System/360. When the Ryad series of Soviet computers was introduced, each was an exact copy of the IBM-360/370 down to its wiring and English language instruction set. Each Ryad model followed its IBM equivalent model by about 8 years. Soviet models did, however, have serious software problems and were less reliable than the IBM originals. The Soviets illegally acquired IBM 360 and 370 computers from the West in 1972. In 1976, a Riad-40 (IBM 360 clone) was purchased from East Germany by an independent research agency in Washington, DC. Upon close inspection the Soviet Riad computer proved to be far less of a machine than its IBM counterpart of the previous decade. The consequence of the Soviets' policy to replicate the computer systems of the West rather than design their own has been even more damaging in the production of software than of hardware."}, {"id": 14, "content": "beep beep ima jeep"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe Hind is the sexiest helicopter ever made"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nim trans too idk if that matters"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>When a gun camera records a wing torn off an aircraft or a pilot ejecting, there is no doubt the attacker has a valid claim, but some 24 percent of North Vietnam’s claimed 134 shootdowns involved American aircraft demonstrably not lost under the claimed circumstances, and a further 19 percent were made on days when no U.S. aircraft were recorded lost over North Vietnam. An additional 17 percent were credits awarded for shooting down Ryan “Firebee” reconnaissance drones—robot jet aircraft originally designed as aerial targets. Thus 60 percent of the North Vietnamese claims were invalid.\nhttps://www.historynet.com/how-north-vietnam-claimed-more-aces-than-it-really-had/"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThey only had tech parity in the 1950s by piggybacking off German tech. Communists can't into innovation. Your ideas aren't properly rewarded ($$$) under such a system.\n\nJust look at the creator of Tetris. The guy should have been one of the richest men alive."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nLack of competition that exists in free markets."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI'm sure a plethora of reasons. But most likely because of strict adherence to government loyalty and ideology that pervaded education, business and science.\n\nAs well as inefficient use of resources and general neglect of the greater population."}, {"id": 21, "content": "china can't make ballpoint pens because they don't have the precision to make the ball"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>source is some random military web page\ndiscarded"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">Fascist technology\nLike what? Horse carriages and failed superweapons?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\n>The Soviet government decided to put a stop to these unique Soviet developments and resolved to pirate copies of Western systems instead\n\nA tale as old as time, USSR brainlets can't invent, only steal"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nBecause communism is effeminate and men with female traits don’t dream about lathes and horizontal drill presses. There is a great divide between a five year plan and brass tacks."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWeird how trannies showed up in the capitalist west desu."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nA very sad feature of the USSR pressing Eastern Europe into its service was that these formerly inventive ethnic groups had their technology adventures halted, as the bolsheviks put ideology before individual epiphany."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nOnly applies to Czechs. Balts, Polacks, Hungarians and Romanians have always been backward-ass savages who needed German migrant communities to keep up with the latest knowhow."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nCommunism is a shit economic system where nobody has any incentive to provide value to their fellow man."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nTrannies have been in recorded history for thousands of years yet they are not the stock of great inventors and the like. I would imagine that a person caught up in their sexuality would have scant moments to ponder hydraulic circuits."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nI met this Russian Jew years ago who came west under glasnost. His grandpa was shipped from eastern Poland to Uzbekistan of all places. Anyways, this fellow said he had a little side business going on the black market… he had honey bees and sold honey until his neighbors snitched him out to the commie lords almighty. Governments do not invent, that is the arena of free men."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n> has any incentive to provide value to their fellow man\nSaid from the same iteration of Iphone shit, whose only technological advancement was in convincing onions-guzzlers that they need to spend thousand dollars on a new model, lmao.\nt. still uses a fridge made by Soviets in 1960-ies."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIteration. Commies designed/chose things by commitee and ran the manufacturing top down, rarely budging. Some group would decide that toothbrushes would be such and such size, in this and this many colors, with this and this many thistles, and just crank them out without any deviation. Anyone with a better idea would have to scratch tons of backs and then deal with some boomer who didn't want to budge anyways.\nCapitalism freed up the market to produce a gazillion different toothbrushes. Maybe most were shit, but there was always a better idea to come about eventually.. and so the market would follow that for awhile. Rinse, repeat.. the market ever striving and redesigning for the perfect toothbrush."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe actual reason was that communist countries were usually semi-feudal shitholes before ebil gommunism and had to catch up to the West in developing their MoPs and educating skilled personnel but you don't wanna hear that because you're a niggerfaggot namefag treating this board as /pol/ with dates"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>still uses a fridge made by Soviets in 1960-ies.\nThis you?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nBullshit. Before WW2, Czechia was as developed as Austria, while Hungary and Poland were better off than Greece. The only reason they fell behind is called communism."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nGreece and Austria weren't industrial superpowers like the US, UK, or West Germany you delusional faggot, stop pushing your dogmatic seething about the commies"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nBecause their scientist are too charged with ideological dogma, or they're getting supervused by ideological retards."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>Austria-Hungary wasn't an industrial powerhouse\nCommie education. Most of the AH industry was in Czechia btw."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\nHow do you know that's the reason?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>Why was communist technology such shit compared to capitalist and fascist technology?\nIt was fine aside shitty gorund vehicles with paper armor. Soviets always had better missiles than the USA. Probably also better submarines and worse but good enough aircraft"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>12\n>>24\nI read it was seen as an idiotic decision even back then."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nDon’t compare fascist technology to communist “technology”"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Marco Bergamo, the \"Monster of Bolzano\", was an Italian Jack The Ripper as he butchered five women, most of them prostitutes, in 1980s-90s Italy, out of what was described as \"extreme\" sexual frustration and anger towards the fairer sex. A native of Bolzano, in the extreme north of Italy, he was born in 1966. Bergamo was an overweight, introverted child with few friends but became obsessed with knives at an early age. As a teenager he got in some minor trouble for stealing women's undergarments but was otherwise not a troublemaker or juvenile delinquent. He obtained work as a welder after high school. Bergamo was a fairly normal individual as far as co-workers could tell and gave no indication of budding psychopathy.\n\nOn January 3, 1985, a 15 year old girl named Marcella Casagrande was found stabbed to death in her home. The wounds to her body appeared to be the work of someone who knew human anatomy quite well, including a knife blow to the vertebrae designed to cut into the spinal cord and paralyze the victim, making her unable to use her lower body. There were no suspects and the girl's death became a cold case. On February 26, a 40 year old prostitute named Annamaria Cipolleti was found dead in her apartment. Ms. Cipolleti was a schoolteacher by day and by night rented the small apartment for her side job. She was stabbed 19 times. Although her clothing had been removed, she wasn't raped. A couple of cigarette butts and condoms, some used and one not used, were found in the apartment. A diary was found containing the cryptic remark \"Marco gone away.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why are men such subhumans?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "On January 7, 1992, six years after these murders, a 24 year old prostitute named Renate Rauch was found stabbed to death in an empty parking lot. Near the body was a bouquet of flowers and a note reading \"Mi dispiace ma quello che ho fatto doveva essere fatto e tu lo sapevi. Arrivederci, Renate. MM.\" (I'm sorry, but I did what needed to be done and you knew it. Goodbye, Renate.)\n\nOn March 21, an 18 year old prostitute named Renate Troger was found dead in a town square. She was stabbed 14 times and then strangled. On August 6, another 18 year old prostitute named Marika Zorzi was found by the roadside outside of Bolzano, stabbed 28 times.\n\nBergamo was taken into custody as a suspect in Marika's death soon afterwards and made a partial confession to police. He had been caught when police stopped his car and noticed bloodstains and missing padding in the passenger seat, an identification card belonging to Marika in the trunk, and a missing rear view mirror, which turned up at the crime scene.\n\nHe admitted to three of the five murders but did not acknowledge any responsibility for Annamaria Cipolleti or Renate Troger. Bergamo claimed that he killed Marika because he had a missing testicle and she refused to service him. The two got into a verbal and physical altercation after he demanded she give him his money back, so he killed her. That particular date, August 6, 1992, was significant as it was his 26th birthday and he'd decided to hire a prostitute as a birthday gift to himself."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Psychiatric examination and interviews with Bergamo revealed that he was a loner who had never had a girlfriend outside a platonic friendship for a few months in 1990-91. He had a boiling resentment of women and decided to take his wrath out on prostitutes, the most easily accessible females. A psychiatric report noted \"Bergamo hates women. He says: 'A woman is really an ignoble, selfish being, a person who uses men as a man smokes a cigarette.'\" He admitted that pornography, masturbation, and women's underwear had become substitutes for actual romantic relationships. \"My nightmare has been more the woman than the vagina. The woman has always scared me. This fear turned to hatred when I thought a woman had poisoned my dog. He was my only companion. So I started to hate women.\" Bergamo also admitted he'd had no friends in school and was awkward and lacking in self-confidence.\n\nThat did not overlook the fact that Bergamo depicted himself as a victim and the women he killed had supposedly provoked him, Marcella because she refused his advances, the two prostitutes because they had made fun of him.\n\nBergamo's trial was broadcast live on TV. His father Renato, who testified to his son's fascination with knives from an early age, later committed suicide out of shame. Marika Zorzi's mother Bertilla denounced Bergamo as a monster who \"took my little girl as a birthday present.\" Another prostitute who'd serviced Bergamo said he would undress her but did not engage in intercourse. She claimed he offered her money for her underwear, but \"I couldn't sell him those or I'd have to walk home naked.\""}, {"id": 5, "content": "He was sentenced to life in prison, which included convictions for the murders of Annamaria Cipolleti and Renate Troget despite his persistent denial of having killed them, the maximum possible sentence allowable in Italy, which had abolished the death penalty all the way back in 1885. Moved around to several prisons over the years, he was granted furloughs in 2005, the news of which caused a public outcry. He was eligible for parole in 2008 but did not receive it.\n\nBergamo died in a Milan hospital on October 17, 2017 of complications from severe bronchopneumonia."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>A psychiatric report noted \"Bergamo hates women. He says: 'A woman is really an ignoble, selfish being, a person who uses men as a man smokes a cigarette.'\" He admitted that pornography, masturbation, and women's underwear had become substitutes for actual romantic relationships. \"My nightmare has been more the woman than the vagina. The woman has always scared me. This fear turned to hatred when I thought a woman had poisoned my dog. He was my only companion. So I started to hate women.\" Bergamo also admitted he'd had no friends in school and was awkward and lacking in self-confidence.\nThis guy was the ultimate incel. What's more disturbing is that this website has many like him."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Did you ever do one of these on the GSK? His is funny because he literally almost got away with it but his tiny dick got him busted"}, {"id": 8, "content": "This website would calling for genocide if some non-euro did it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>He admitted that pornography, masturbation, and women's underwear had become substitutes for actual romantic relationships.\n\nAnother trans egg taken before her time :("}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nIt's ma'am, TERF."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>>10\n>Incels deflecting by bringing up trans people\nKek he literally sounded like someone who would post on /pol/ in the daily women hate threads."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>tfw no brian eno lookalike he-gf"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nSomeone who hates women yet crossdresses and wants to be a woman sounds like a very confused transsexual."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">addicted to porn\n>compulsive masturbator\n>stealing women’s clothes to skin walk them\n\nYup, textbook troon.\n\nAnother day, another mentally ill trans mass killer. It just keeps happening folks."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Someone who hates women\nWhy do incels try keep pushing this meme that trans people hate women?\n>yet crossdresses and wants to be a woman sounds like a very confused transsexual.\nTake your meds schizo. He didn't crossdress. Also crossdressing doesn't make you trans."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nI'm not like him.\nI don't have a dog."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">incel troon in italy gets rejected by a hooker\n>RAPE THAT BITCH KILL HER ARGGGGGHH\n>jk rowling stands up for women’s rights\n>RAPE THAT BITCH KILL HER ARGGGGHHHH\n>lesbians say no to sex with troons\n>RAPE THAT TERF KILL HER ARGGGGHHHHH\n\nfolks, I’m starting to think these trans fellas really got a problem with the ladies"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Guys… is there any connection between transgenders and women hate?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nForgot pic"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>>incel troon in italy gets rejected by a hooker\n>RAPE THAT BITCH KILL HER ARGGGGGHH\nHe wasn't trans. Don't keep repeating your lies incel.\n>jk rowling stands up for women’s rights\n>RAPE THAT BITCH KILL HER ARGGGGHHHH\nWhen did incels started to care about women rights? Also some murderous crazies don't define a group unlike fascist incels who have their ideologies built around oppression.\n>>lesbians say no to sex with troons\n>RAPE THAT TERF KILL HER ARGGGGHHHHH\nnice made up bs"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Why are transcels so violent against women? Women are soft and cuddly, did transcels not get enough loving growing up?"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Follow your leader"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Folks…. I think we need to address these unhinged, violent, women hating transcels as a community.\n\nAny trans who doesn’t decry these violent women haters is part of the problem. Silence is violence!"}, {"id": 24, "content": "It's everyday bro with the Disney Channel flow"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">nazi incel gets caught openly lying about the serial killer being trans\n>Start spamming the shit out of the thread\nI can't breed manifesto soon?"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Why are they all like this?! From trans serial killers to armchair psychos on twitter, why does trancel violence run so deep?"}, {"id": 27, "content": "we did a thread about Hadden Clark if you're into crossdressers. that guy was fucking insane."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\n>Women are soft and cuddly\nstop being a simp for pussy, dude"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>8\nRightfully so, shitskins killing high value people brings cause and concern, a shitskin killing another shitskin is just a normal tuesday"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nYou will never have a real ethnostate"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nyou can tell this was north Italy because of all these weird surnames you don't encounter in America where everyone emigrated from the south"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nAnd you will never have a functional society that isn't bombed or economically raped by western powers. Cope and seethe shitskin"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/7VlXoFvhDSV2m7s5UcrnrQ%3D%3D/page/1/\ndrink bleach"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>3\n>Bergamo was taken into custody as a suspect in Marika's death soon afterwards and made a partial confession to police. He had been caught when police stopped his car and noticed bloodstains and missing padding in the passenger seat, an identification card belonging to Marika in the trunk, and a missing rear view mirror, which turned up at the crime scene.\ni'm impressed that Italian police managed to solve a crime at all"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>15\nAGPcels do hate women very often, despite desperately trying to fuck them."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nfemcel"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\ncops will always haul ass when attractive young females are killed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Watch Christian kino\n>Character glorifies Virgin Mary\n>Turn off flick"}, {"id": 2, "content": "protestants, everyone."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do protestants find it so hard to acknowledge the mother of God. By placing Mary on such a low pedestal youre basically disrespecting God. Literally name any person in the bible and in history that was chosen for or did something as great as literally bearing God. You cant."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCope. She’s just a normal person. Stop idolizing man."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>disagrees with the Church fathers just to own the Catholics"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Man is infallible\n>WORSHIP THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE I SAID SO THE POPE IS NEVER WRONG\nSigh...why do Catholics worship man more than they do G_d?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nGod is a man made creation."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased post my fellow protestant. I hate Mary with every fiber of my being and there's nothing papists can do about it. Praise Pastor JimBob and all his Sunday Fundays."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShow more respect to the mother of God."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n\nthe average atheist brainwashed to believe there is no miracle in simple existence, there is no beauty in the mysterious, and there is no God in the everyday. Believing the humans created God is like saying that humans invented math. It's true, we did create the system and framework, but the underlying principles that it reflects and depicts exist everywhere. Man can comprehend math, the same way that we can comprehend God, through study."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nalready pulled the \"muh worship idolatry\" card huh?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nWe don't hate Mary. We just don't glorify her. She was Jesus's mother. That's all. Everything else is C*tholic headcanon just like their baby baptisms."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nMary only accounts for Christ's humanity.\nShe does not account for his divinity, the Father, or the Holy Spirit.\nHence she is not the mother of God."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYou're wrong about the baptisms.\n\nt. Reformed"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhich church father said that? Mary couldnt have just bore one part of God. Its illogical."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Retard infighting is supposed to be funny but it's kind scary when these christkek retards have actually killed millions of people over retarded minor differences."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nMary provided the egg, God provided the seed."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n\nOkay so here's the deal. Jesus isn't half divine half human, he's wholly human, and also wholly divine. The Council of Ephesus, which decided most of Christian teachings today (excluding some Orthodoxies) explains that Mary is the bearer of God, and that because Jesus and God are one, that Mary should be known as the Bearer of God.\n\ntl;dr pretty much all of the ancient christian drama exists because of different interpretations of the idea of jesus as human and jesus as divine."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>Babies can consent to being baptized\n>Babies understand why the are being baptized\nYeah okay."}, {"id": 20, "content": "I think a lot of it is just a backlash against the Catholic church, honestly as a protestant I think Mary was the divine vessel for God similarly to how the Ark of the Covenant was, it's just that praying to Mary as the goddess of heaven for salvation is just as ridiculous as a jew worshiping the ark of the covenant itself and not as simply a vessel for God"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\n>>20\n>As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You!” But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”\nLuke 11:27-28"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>>Babies can consent to being baptized\nUnbelievably modernist. Unbelievable. \"Consent\" is irrelevant, the command of God is all that matters. Christians aren't baptized on the basis they understand it, they're baptized because it is the duty of those in covenant with God to receive the sign of the covenant (and to give it to their children)."}, {"id": 23, "content": "https://mubi.com/lists/catholica"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\n>she was just the mother of God\n>That's all.\nWhat a soulless subhuman."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nSo, like, what even happens during a baptism?\nI get the the priest cast a spell on the baby, but not what exact powers it has"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\nShe's not the mother of God. She's the mother of Jesus, who is God, but she's the mother of him in his human nature, not his divine nature. God cannot have a mother."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nOh crap, I have not kept track of all the heresies enough to know if this counts as one."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nShe bore Jesus, God, in her womb, but she is not the mother of God. That's not Nestorianism."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>6\n>G_d\nJUDEN!"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\na woman bore you in her womb but she is not your mother, on fact you are motherless. The person you call mother is just a random woman"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nShe is Jesus' mother, but she is not the source of his deity"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How could he win?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy not sperging out and invading Soviet Union."}, {"id": 3, "content": "By slowly spreading propaganda poison to other European countries and eventually becoming the Godhead of all existing fascists giving Germany a special place over the movement. I guess that wouldn't have worked with his lebensbraun ideals though."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe was too busy fighting her internalized transphobia"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n*economy collapses*"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn 1950 Germany would have had 1970s tech while everyone else would still be in 1940.\nWait literally a few years and you get an unbeatable airforce, endless synthetic oil, superheavy tanks which have no equal and can be mass produced and easily maintained, elite well armed infantry which is the equal in firepower to ten of any other infantrymen."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe Germans were on rations even before the war."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNo, they had an economics miracle and were net producers, the seething Ricardians could do nothing but demand a war because otherwise Germany would continue to shut out exchangers from a market of producers.\n>but da money goyyyy\nLook, I have physical resource, you have worthless paper."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat dumb fuck should have kept bombing london until they dug."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>In 1950 Germany would have had 1970s tech while everyone else would still be in 1940.\nWheeeeeeze lmaoooo"}, {"id": 11, "content": "In case you morons didnt know. OP is a /pol/tard shitposter who makes these threads on a daily basis just so he can ruin them and waste everybodys time.\n\nAnyone who even tried to make a constructive post is a fucking retard."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nremember kids; don't do drugs."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nwell no one else had guided rockets, MBTs, or assault rifles, so yeah he's kinda right"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>He thinks the man in high castle is a documentary"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Actually believing that Germans could engineer and meaningfully deploy that level of tech before anyone could catch up\nKek. I think some armchairs generals from slipper making forums knew better than highly qualified Nazi generals."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy not fighting two/three fronts"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nBlow it out your ass trannychan tourist."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">retards ITT think Nazis weren't forced to start the war like it happened"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>constructive post\n>4chin\nlol, lmao even"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy not making an enemy of Jews. With Jews, you win. Without them, you lose."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\n>In 1950 Germany would have had 1970s tech while everyone else would still be in 1940.\nMeme opinion, the Germans were forced to push out untested, heavily flawed designs out of desperation. This gives way to the idea of the wunderwaffe that the rest of the world could only dream of; in reality, the Allies had no reason to push out their own experimental designs instead opting to rest on the weapons they could already easily mass produce to end the war."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased oil anon is finally back."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith the advice of his 4chan fans"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\nCouldn’t work, he already tried that and it inspired the Spanish Civil War. Also would cause other European countries to turn against him and want war, happened with France. France reacted badly against encroaching Fascism, they elected the commie Popular Front because of his influence."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nbased knower\n109-0\nkeep thinking you can win goyim"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\n>produces impractical shit the entire war\nNo, I don't believe you."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nHe's GDPschizo and he's a local.\n>>17\n>i-ive been called out!\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nThe eventual collapse of colonial empires would have ignited the threat and urgency of ending European dominance that would have lead fascist movements gaining rise and previous governments losing their credit. Soviets would also probably have been imploded and taken the spotlight for retarded brutality if there was no madman Hitler to give them common cause. They were having batshit insane things happening to them before the war caused by their own paranoia. There would be no patriotic either that would get cred to Soviets and communism\n>Inb4 colonial empire wouldnt have collapsed without WW2"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Barbarossa was successful he would've gotten the nuke. If the Bulge was successful he would've lost in a year because the Allies were never going to relent.\n\nHe was too extreme, and like the Soviets the allegiance to the party superceded most rational decision making."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\nLeftist subhuman"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAllying the UK who would eventually drag in the US. By the time the war started it was already over. I have no idea how he would achieve it. Maybe wait for the soviets to inevitably invade Poland and play the part the USSR played for the allies irl."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\nretard"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>11\n>Anyone who even tried to make a constructive post is a fucking retard.\nLeft-wingers on this board are always the ones making ad hominem arguments and never citing any evidence."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>11\n>waste everybodys time.\nEverybody's already doing that by virtue of posting on this website though."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy basically prostituting himself to Britain and France, saying that in exchange for their permission to annexe Austria and the Sudetenland (not the rest of Czechoslovakia and Poland) he would defend Europe from Communism. Then, when Stalin starts his inevitable push for the Atlantic, a coalition British/French/German force would face them together; with Britain and France handling the logistics, intelligence, R&D, and planning (all the areas where the Nazis completely shit the bed). Of course that doesn't really work, even if Hitler actually came up with the idea and believed in it - because his economic 'reforms' would have completely broken Germany long before that happened.\n>tl;dr - make himself and Germany the bitch of the democratic powers, and it still wouldn't work because Hitler was a retarded drug addict"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe if the Brits and French bombed Baku when it was under Soviet control during the time period wherein the Soviets were supply Germans with the resources they needed to wage war."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>2\nThen they were going to invade Germany."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait and develop the nuke yourself."}, {"id": 39, "content": "This will be the 8,936,731st time we've made this thread, and we've become exceedingly efficient at it"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>15\nYes, people living in the aftermath of an event will have hindsight which is naturally more informative.\n>>14\n>he didnt even look at the wunderwaffe memes that actually worked\nrefund your wikipedia account"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>he didnt even look at the wunderwaffe memes that actually worked\nLike which?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nyeah but he didnt know that"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>30\n>>33\n>muh leftists\nget a new line fags"}, {"id": 44, "content": "so as time goes on, poor countries industrializex and no longer need germanys undustrial goods so food producing countries have no need to export their food to industrialized states. germany eventually perishes because they have to import most of their food. this is labeled shrinking markets problem and many have criticized this theory as false in order to criticize hitlers plans to war with russia in order to achieve autarky. however, dont we see similar lines of thinking playing out today? as the third world industrializes , western nations have nobody to trade industry products to and so the industry has evaporated., trade defecits explodes, and now every shithole country has insane leverage over western states because we are completely reliant on them"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://www.floridabulldog.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Canestraro-Declaration-dated-20-July-2021.pdf\n\nSo according to new declassified documents. the CIA actively allowed 9/11 to happen and fucked over the FBI investigation into the hijackers.\nIt's funny that what is basically the most important event since WW2, has very little actual serious history deep dives into it and things that should be massive stories like the declassification releases under Biden which change the entire official narrative, aren't even reported on."}, {"id": 2, "content": "extremely anti-semitic post"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCIA compartmentalization is not necessarily a \"cover up.\" It's pretty basic CIA shit in fact. We created the Dept of Homeland Security to try to fix this issue.\n\ntl;dr \"allowed 9/11 to happen\" is a fuckin stretch."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>tl;dr \"allowed 9/11 to happen\" is a fuckin stretch.\nhttps://libgen.rocks/ads.php?md5=9979a1b81d7de919a804685d2514406d\n\nThe agents who actively blocked hijacker info from reaching the FBI gave like 4 different answers to 4 different committees about it, and their memories of the most important moments of their lives are... surprisingly sparse in all cases! Nobody seems to remember any of the most important meetings, or cables, or photographs, etc etc.\n\n1000% some elements in the CIA Alec station not only allowed 9/11 to happen but assisted it. Then you can add the PNAC/COG/Bush cabal stuff on top because that all makes sense too, but this shit you can say absolutely happened without a doubt. while other agencies such as the FBI were trying to 'connect the dots,' Alec station was working to disconnect them. They set up a vague paper trail to look like they did something - then they testified to the 9/11 commish alongside minders from the agency. this literally drives me insane, they took active roles in the interviews, answered questions on behalf of their subordinates, took meticulous notes to brief other agents about the questions so they could keep their stories straight... I mean at a certain point it's like yeah they fucking obviously did 9/11"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nwho the fuck is Kevin Fenton and how did he have access to this information?\n\nanyway, you're barking up the wrong tree regarding CIA disinformation. why bother with these vague allegations of something being amiss, when we know for certain they created the lies about Iraqi WMD."}, {"id": 6, "content": "https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nGo back to r*ddit faggot, Alec station lied through their teeth on what actually happened.\n>>5\nBecause theres a big difference between creating fake intel to launch an invasion vs assisting in the murder in 3000 citizens. One is scandalous, the other is treason. 9/11 conspiracies have the potential to rip down the federal security state once and for all.\n>>4\nSuper based, I have Fentons book but havent had the time to read all of it. What do I need to really focus on when I get to it?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>https://www.floridabulldog.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Canestraro-Declaration-dated-20-July-2021.pdf\nWow, this is huge, the sections of CS-3 (I assume is Mark Rossini) really flesh-out the clusterfuck that happened. Are there any other new docs worth taking a look at?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The CIA fucking over the FBI and allowing 9/11 to happen under their noses has been known for awhile."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.floridabulldog.org/2023/04/ex-fbi-agents-accuse-top-cia-fbi-officials-9-11-coverup-cia-domestic-spying/"}, {"id": 11, "content": "bump for the only good thread on /his/ right now"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>the CIA lied!\nno shit retard. what are you, 17? more americans died in Iraq than NYC so I'm not sure what your point is. anyway, who the fuck is Kevin Fenton again?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "25 years"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\nDisconnecting the Dots is a good read. It goes over all of the publicly known \"intelligence failures\" to the point where it's very obvious that the upper levels of international finance/intelligence (think Safari Club) knew what was coming. The recent disclosures about Bandar Bin Sultan, AKA Bandar Bush, only serve to reinforce the ideas presented in the book."}, {"id": 15, "content": "https://archive.org/details/ff-full-doc-720p\nsuper long, but probably the single most indepth documentary looking at Al Qaeda and it's figures and the questionable role they played in 9/11."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nSo for 2 years, the CIA basically just went full fucking retard and completely ignored basically everyone telling them about the hijackers, their planned attacks, including German and Israeli Intelligence who outright had infiltrated the cells of the hijackers.\nSo why does the CIA even exist then? If they are that actually retarded, why aren't all involved in Alec Station in jail for sheer unfathomable incompetence?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>So for 2 years, the CIA basically just went full fucking retard and completely ignored basically everyone telling them about the hijackers, their planned attacks, including German and Israeli Intelligence who outright had infiltrated the cells of the hijackers.\nIt’s pretty standard history that agency independence and not working together is what led to the attacks happening. Basically different agencies had different pieces of the puzzle, but weren’t able to place it all together since they operated on their own and a rivalry between them was very real. Another factor was the end of the Cold War had led to the CIA being gutted drastically.\n\nIt’s a complete stretch to claim that the CIA knew that Al-Qaeda hijackers were going to fly planes into the World Trade Center on September 11, and just allowed it to happen.\n\nIf you want a good book that goes into this check out The Hunt for KSM."}, {"id": 18, "content": "25 year rule"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>So why does the CIA even exist then?\nFucking up countries so that rich fags in USA keep the money going.\nAlso, drugs. Lots of drugs.\n\nSome durkas killing americas wouldn't worry CIA, especially if in the end it would facilitate the war. Hell, Operation Northwoods is declassified and that shit was greenlit all the way up to the President.\n\nNow, if it were some washed up commies trying to bitch about outsourcing, low salary/wage theft or similar, then CIA would fucking go nuclear on their ass."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "vghhhh… I just want to RETVRN to the trve trad past… **gets reincarnated as a German peasant that gets force fed boiling shit by Swedes in an attempt to get my wife to reveal where I hid food for my starving children**"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly sounds better than the current situation."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood times."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Why are whites such fucking keks lmao. They did all this horrible shit to each other and just forgot about it because some psuedo-science practitioners decided to pile them all together as \"whites\". Like how did they not want vengeance like Chinese and Koreans do with Japanese? This cuckery is only comparable in some Muslim races who think their conquerors did them a favour by raping them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nWhy are norther/western Europeans the most degenerate and promiscuous people in the world?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nPersonally I think its funny when raycists try to claim whites are inherently less violent or something when they were just as big genocide monkeys as anyone else up until Europe got destroyed 3 times\n\nI say this as someone who is opposed to significant immigration and am pro Western cultural conservation btw"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThose things aren't connected, retard.\nWhites were considered a race long before WW2, which is what stopped white infighting, not \"pseudo-scientists\" (are we denying the Europid skeletal structure now?)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Those things aren't connected, retard.\nThey are\n>Whites were considered a race long before WW2\nWhen did i say they weren't?\n>which is what stopped white infighting, not \"pseudo-scientists\" (are we denying the Europid skeletal structure now?)\nIgnoring that \"skull measuring is scientific\" for while,how does that make whites not massive \"cucks\"? So just because you arbitrarily decided that your skull is somewhat similar to a guy a who raped your wife and pillage your village will make way to zero animosity? Do you think that Anglos didn't believe that Vikings were very similar to them in physical appearance? Also it didn't stop the \"infighting\" considering how bad of the shitshow Napoleonic wars and two world wars was."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhat?\n>They did all this horrible shit to each other and just forgot about it because some psuedo-science practitioners decided to pile them all together as \"whites\".\n>forgot about it just because\nI'm saying they weren't connected because the death and destruction of WW2 caused them to stop infighting rather than a racial grouping, most of that is just from focusing on similarities like shared history to just be more positive"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou keep missing my point. Why do they not hate each other like Japanese and Chinese do? Even if I was to prefer peace over war I wouldn't forgive a guy who mercilessly brutalised my people just because we share some similarities. Also the \"white\" grouping is the cornerstone of \"white\" peace. WW1 had no racial undertones while WW2 had everyone else ganging up on one nation because it suggested that whites are unequal. I am sure a German thinks of a Swede as just a brother from another mother instead of the brutal Soldiery they were.Sounds like major brainwashing has happened at some point to make everyone buddy-buddy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nWhy are the finns little dwarf slaves kek"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\n>Whites were considered a race long before WW2\nBy \"long\", you mean like 40 years right?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nI mean the racial aspect didn't bother the US or the UK, or the Soviets for that matter, it was expanding east and getting too much \"Lebensraum\".\nSame reason the UK cucked the Russians when they were about to take back Constantinople.\nThe peace is just indicative of the general malaise of modern Europeans, their ancestors would've killed all the immigrants after the raping gang stuff too but they are just too used to a developed comfy world where war isn't necessary to them, Europeans are mostly liberal and don't see identify heavily as \"white\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790\nProbably before this too, people have had eyes for even longer"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nStill missing the point like genuine retard. Tell me why forgiving people you brutalised your people so badly not fucking cucked."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nEuropean culture is based around Christian forgiveness, pretty bold to completely negate yourself and call someone else a retard, retard"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThanks for admitting that you guys are massive keks"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhats really unbeliveable about this shit is that vikings really believed that women would be willing to sacrifice food for some replaceable man. Women dont care about men, only for their resources."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nLmao tf the Koreans gonna do to Japan anyway, don't they all mix with each other these days?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nAnd I worked with a filipino who was a simp for Japanese stuff, many cases, the resentment is mostly just a meme for all intents and purposes\nAnd because the Japanese are colossal assholes who never apologized"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>\"Viking\"\n>Muh women bad\nWhy do we still pretend that people with actual knowledge of history or interest in it browse /his/? This is just a poltard colony at this point."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIts not that theyre bad. Its just basic survival. Men are expendable. If he dies just get a new husband. Thats how humans are built."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n\nNo. Total Nippon death. Culturally the Han are superior to every other race in East Asia.\n\nKoreans are pretty much half Japanese due to the raping."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nCouldn't the same logic apply to women unless they are pregnant?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nPinoys are dirt poor thirdies. They don't have resources to know how horrible Japanese were to them. Most people also live in a bubble of heckin wholesome Nips because Nips are extremely xenophobic to the point of social media isolationism. I don't know a single Non-nip asian who doesn't hate their guts after learning their history and interacting with nips.\n>>24\n>Koreans are pretty much half Japanese due to the raping.\nIt's more proper to say that japanese are 90 percent Korean because the founding fathers of Japan were Yayoi people from Korea."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nWhat do you mean? It worked\n\nDo you think these Swede monkeys did this just because? No they were starving camp followers/mercenaries trying to get a meal and brutalizing people worked"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n\nGood point. Modern day Japanese culture runs rampant with degeneracy. Most Westerners look at Japan and think \"zomg!! anime!!!\" while forgetting the fact that the Japanese are a race of twisted, cowardly deplorables, revisionist history and western apologists. Their entire culture and religion was stolen from Han Chinese traditions first. Everything Japan is today was stolen from other cultures.\n\nTotal Nippon Death."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nIts just bizarre to me that a woman would give up food for a man. You rarely see that act of compassion and selflessness in today's world."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nsad pepe :("}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nIt’s not necessarily that she gave up the food “for her man”. Her man was already fucking dead.\n\nShe gave up the food because she witnessed the father of her children having his stomach distended and then burst by some Swedish demon’s shit. Witnessing this would absolutely shatter her mind and make her pliable to further threats against her or her children."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nI see. When you put it like that it makes more sense. To me it seems like boiling shit wouldnt kill someone quickly for that to happen though unless they drowns because they couldnt breathe."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Germans being fed shit during 30 years\nI course I want to come back to this"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>5\nlol"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>5\nThat would be black people, anon"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>by Swedes\nThe schwedentrunk torture was largely done by German mercenaries by contemporary accounts."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Imagine the smell"}, {"id": 38, "content": "I wish I was force fed boiling cute swede loli shit"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nMostly but not entirely. There were some Swedish who did it and you get reincarnated as their victim.\n\nUp until then though I suppose your life might be alright if somewhat backbreaking"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait did this unironically happend?i thought shit eating was just a meme"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come these people apparently invented Halloween but England did not?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "By these people I mean Ireland and Scotland.\n\nWhy is the tradition attributed to both those countries but not England?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIm surrounded by retards."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nromans/vikings"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nHalloween wasn't really a big thing in most of England until modern times. English folk beliefs traditionally more associates Christmas with ghostly phenomena and the return of the dead. Telling ghost stories and leaving offerings for dead relatives used to be something people in England did on Christmas Eve. This is where Dickens got the idea for a Christmas Carol from.\n\nUltimately, Christmas/Yule and Halloween are connected, but reflect how the Celtic and Germanic calendars are staggered. For the Celts, the important days are the so-called cross-quarter days at the start of November, February, May and August, whereas in Germanic cultures the solstices and equinoxes have prominence. Part of this reflects climatic differences between the Atlantic seaboard and north-central Europe. England traditionally has a mix of the two calendars in terms of festival dates. So for example the English celebrate May Day on the same day as the Irish Bealtaine, but it has a lot of the same Germanic customs you see associated with Midsummer in Scandinavia, like maypoles."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHalloween is an American holiday of recent vintage. No colonist celebrated Halloween."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you will never explore the world of the 13th century\n>you will never be Marco Polo\n>you will never be the Pope's and then the Great Khan's top guy going on missions all over the world\nWhy even live?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>13th century\n>siege of bagdag, Muhammad bloodline forever lost\n>end of Islamic golden age\n>atrocities by the millions\n>Kiev rus\n>They just got all that fucking territory\n>Raped, pillaged, and conquered\n>Eastern/Central Europe Ravaged\n>Miracle from the devil about the khan dieing made them go >back before they could rid history of HRE.\n>Northern EUROS (europeans) start steal moorish knowledge and build stuff beyond mud huts and cave dewlings.\n\nWORST CENTURY EVER"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAll kino. Everything that happened in the 13th century was kino."}, {"id": 4, "content": "VGHHH"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat could have been..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Vivaldi bros set out into the unknown to die a painful death at sea.\nGlorious."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWhere is this from?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI honestly wonder what the post-classic maya thought about being a civilizational rump. If they even thought they were one."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nFuck I forgot the Frankokratia happens in this century. That was good."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nMayapan was very arguably the single largest and most powerful Maya state that ever existed, so from their perspective I doubt they thought that."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>>8\nThat being said Mayapan as a city wasn't as big as the largest Classic or maybe even Preclassic Maya cities AFAIK"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tfw will never ride across the steppe on horseback with the Mongol horde at its peak\nWhy even live. It really is the most underrated point in human history."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYou'd be paying taxes to them if anything. I'd rather larp as a crusader."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nMatthew Paris' Chronica Majora. Frederick II apparently sent this to the kings of Europe calling for an anti-Mongol crusade, but nothing came of it because he was constantly at war with the Pope."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would say to myself: \"Man, this Genghis guy is up to no good. I hate this, I can't take any more of this. I don't know what I'm gonna do… What am I gonna do? I'm Genghis' top guy. What am I gonna do?Genghis Khan himself chose me to lead the horde!\" […]\nI use a combination of lies, manipulation, cheating, stealing, gaslighting, bullying, insulting and flexing to make sure everyone in my office stays under my thumb where I want them. […]\n\"Woah! Genghis Khan needs me? Okay, I'll do it. I'm going to bat for you, Genghis! I got your back, Genghis!\""}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nA lot of great explorers/voyagers in this century\n>Giovanni da Pian del Carpine\n>William of Rubruck\n>Rabban bar Sauma\n>Marco Polo\n>Zhou Daguan\n>Ch'ang Ch'un"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose Seljuk portals are great but remember how Georgia fleed those Rum Turks one hell away from the green and lovely lanes of Basiani? Georgian architecture and visual arts reached its height also in the 13th century. I'd add the churches of Ertatsminda, Samtavisi, Kabeni to that collage"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut /his/ told me they were primitive…"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI was trying to compare the four really big civilization of the era; Latin Christian, East Asian, Islamic and Indian/Southeast Asian. I left Orthodox stuff out because, between the Fourth Crusade and the Mongols, the 13th century was just about their lowest point. Of course there is Orthodox material that could have been included like those Georgian churchs and some early Palaiologan stuff, but it wouldn't have matched the other four."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nEasy to forget the discoveries of 16th-century Europe (and the voyages of ming china) were built upon a great foundation. In the fourteenth century alone voyages would be organized to the canaries and Madeira would be discovered. And of course, in that next century, the great Ibn Battuta would be born.\nThe thirteenth century also has plenty of adventurers (like steppe horsemen or maybe Frankish/latin crusaders) if one cares to find them, pretty interesting time."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Kino 13th century things\n>Mongol Empire in general\n>Kamakura Japan, failed invasions\n>failed Mongol expedition to Java, foundation of Majapahit\n>sack of Baghdad\n>defeat of the Assassins\n>Muslim conquest of north India\n>Franciscan missions to the Mongols\n>Fourth Crusade and Latin Empire\n>rise of France under Philip Augustus\n>Frederick II\n>Guelf-Ghibelline wars\n>rise of Florence\n>collapse of the crusader states\n>success of the reconquista\n>diffusion of gunpowder\n>invention of mechanical clocks, eyeglasses, portolan charts, etc.\n>peak and decline of Pagan and Angkor\n>Battle on the Ice\n>Mamluk Egypt\n>Maragheh observatory"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like how there's a balanced level of power between each civilization, fast forward to 15th century and European started swallowing everything"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI'd say Europe was already taking the lead by 1300."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreat picture"}, {"id": 26, "content": "It would be cool to see what life would be like if it weren't for the neverending shitshows of the 14th century"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Mongol map."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nEven better Mongol map, but in Russian."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\nI shall never forgive the T*tul X*u subhumans for ruining this then helping the spaniards sweep up what remained a century later"}, {"id": 30, "content": "asdasd"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I wonder how tight the grip on New England would be if the English Civil War never happened.\nLook at Brazil, they had the tightest grip on their economy's neck from the start, the Portuguese only cared about giving all the land to the Crown's friends instead of democratizing the land in small farms, and also barred any trade with foreigners. No wonder Brazil is a shithole."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNew England had already started to be settled by Puritans with the arrival of the Pilgrims in 1620, who were very independent, and their independent nature stayed onward. I'm pretty sure the war impeded settlement of New England because some went back to England to fight in what they considered a holy war, and there would be less immigration to the colonies by those fleeing religious persecution when the roundheads won, so it might have ended up where the colonies became even more independent from having more dissenting people."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Fucking moortuguese faggots. Thanks for the language, religion and architecture tho."}, {"id": 4, "content": "the English Civil War drained New England's manpower but otherwise it was a victory for us, we got to go home and run old England instead and it didn't really mess with our administration domestically. Restoration did but not that much, had to not shelter regicides and stop hanging Quakers, but Charles II didn't mess with the colonial charters that much.\nWhat really threatened colonial autonomy was James II and his Dominion of New England, and things could've been gotten really bad if not for the Glorious Revolution."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>games or anime about British Civil War\nKino…"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nI don't know, not a big fan of med architecture."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuper tight.\nthe Massachusetts bay company declared itself as independent from the corporate body of the state so in the latter attempt to reunify the colony would have been imo an English 'Civil war'."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe stony soil of New England didn't make it as suited to cash crop bonanzas as did Brazil. even if England had its shit together it wouldn't have mattered much, their land wasn't interesting for large landowners, smallholding farmers are the only thing that really makes sense. the only natural resources to speak of were its timberfields, but that was simply not enough to spur the interest of large landholders."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Work gives you life."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt takes your hair\n\nVerification is not required."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Work sets you free."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Work is free time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I often see people say that God doesn’t reveal himself or perform miracles because it would violate free will, but didn’t Jesus perform miracles in front of people? Didn’t God show himself to various prophets? Did those people not have free will? Judas surely saw Jesus perform miracles, so did he not have free will?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">I often see people say that God doesn’t reveal himself or perform miracles because it would violate free will\nThis argument is horrendous. By that logic claiming that God exists and it's a hell/heaven situation violates free will."}, {"id": 3, "content": "God doesn't reveal himself or perform miracles when he doesn't want to, simple as."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis. But the more comprehensive answer is that God sends miracles to confirm His word, when the guy claiming to be a prophet of God can call fire out of heaven by praying for it, only the most insane would doubt it. So the reason there's no miracles today is because there is no further revelation till the day the Lord returns."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">A week later his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were shut, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSo you believe that people who make the “God doesn’t show himself or do miracles because that would take people’s free will away” are misguided?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I often see people say that God doesn’t reveal himself or perform miracles because it would violate free will\nI have never heard any Christian say that miracles violate people's free will, it's completelly absurd since skeptics often like to say \"seeing is believing\" but in reality many of them like Dawkins would refuse to believe even if a miracle was performed in front of them, and by their on admission they'd just believe that they must be suffering from some kind of hallucination."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>when the guy claiming to be a prophet of God can call fire out of heaven by praying for it, only the most insane would doubt it\nhow you rule out the possibility that the guy is a wizard?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet's be honest - if anyone ever saw a miracle in this day and age .... they'd likely lose their minds.\n\nSeeing is believing until you can't believe what you see."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe sky jew was big on miracles before photos and video cameras were invented."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe pharisees saw miracles, and decided they had to kill Jesus. The same in Acts, Peter and crew did miracles, and the pharisees would forbid them from doing so.\nSo it clearly doesnt violate free will, people can witness them and still think they know better.\nThe same happens nowadays. We have here for example a lady who insta healed from egregious disease, attested by 300 doctors and thorough testing, yet in the comments you have many bickering about it. While the heart is hardened, no miracles matter. Same happened to pharao with the plagues of Egypt.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaG7mesmdH4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nSee this video:\n>>11"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>60 minutes"}, {"id": 14, "content": "So God reveals his mercy to people whether through demon casting or 1 tap healing or debt cancelling or case overturning etc., when they see power it's up to them whether they follow Jesus. God is always on time so it's up to people how much they want to get blessed. Someone can see the anointing and focus on that instead of God. \"Ooo I want to prophecy like that\", \"Ooo I want to heal like that\". You see it a lot in church which is good, important, crucial but God makes sure you don't miss steps."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah. Don't listen to that argument it's not very good."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nI've researched Lourdes a bit. One fun fact is that as medical science progressed, the miracles dried up despite increasing numbers of pilgrims. They eventually had to make up new categories of not so miraculous healings so they'd have at least something to report."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "in the history of european invasions and infighting, the men of the conquering nation would usually get rid of most of the men and take the women, but what about the submissive men of the conquered? what would happen to a submissive/femboyish man in this type of situation?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "yjk"}, {"id": 3, "content": "they would be killed with the rest of the men or sold into slavery"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost men are mentally healthy so they would take no notice of the perverse males and treat them as the rest."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHear me out, entire harems of femboy concubines."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey got killed too except cowering in hiding rather than dying on their feet with a weapon in their hand. Pathetic."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the men of the conquering nation would usually get rid of most of the men\nThis stops happening by the end of the BA. New lineages come in but old ones stop getting completely eradicated.\nThe total impact looks greater than the immediate because high status people have greater reproductive advantage which is maintained for at least a few generations."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nImagine having your harem of female concubines sodomize all of the femboy concubines until they find the best and sluttiest one and hold him down as you fuck him in the ass while the rest of the female concubines jerk off your femboys and toy with their buttholes to ready them for your fat conquering dick\n\nwouldn't that be really funny haha?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nDo you think the conquerers ever gang raped a cute boy before cutting his head off?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nAbsolutely, and it was super awesome."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>in the history of european invasions and infighting, the men of the conquering nation would usually get rid of most of the men\n\nNigger they mostly recruited the surviving men into the army and cut them into the take so they'd stop rebelling.\n\nAncient Krautoids straight up give you lands and titles so you'd side with their Warlord instead of the other guy.."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavery."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the men of the conquering nation would usually get rid of most of the men and take the women\nthat didn't happen though"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nSurely one of them must've died with a cock in his hand?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the men of the conquering nation would usually get rid of most of the men and take the women\nWrong. The conquerors only replaced the ruling class, which was tiny."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>9\n>>11\nMen, especially twinkish men and boys, would get raped a lot throughout history. One of Socrates' disciplines, Phaedo, was a beautiful boy from Elis who was captured by the Athenians during conquest and sold into sex slavery. Google \"male rape\" in war, it's more common than you think."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKilled or castrated"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYou will never be a real woman"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nFag"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNo no anon it would be funny, lol\n\nNo one is enjoying the thought of something so pornographic"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>8\nWhy did this make me hard bros? Its just power dynamics right?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be an italian neo fascist in the 1970s\n>you yearn for the old days\n>think.exe\n>you come up with an intricate plan for a coup\n>you gain supporters\n>the government finds out\n>your supporters run away\n>you lose hope and suspend the coup"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Worst coup attempt ever?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima#Coup_attempt_and_ritual_suicide"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>political fascism post WWII\nWhy? There’s no traumatized Great War veterans to recruit from. Was this a GLADIO psyop?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>His speech was intended to inspire a coup d'état to restore the power of the emperor. He succeeded only in irritating the soldiers, and was heckled, with jeers and the noise of helicopters drowning out some parts of his speech.\nI'd kill myself too.\n>>3\nAre GLADIO shenanigans typically incompetent?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe recent Peruvian president attempting a coup was worse. He didn’t even have supporters"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nYeah probably, he was supported by the CIA"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDon't forget the P2 masonic scum"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nNo wonder incels salivate over this fag so much, literally got bullied so hard over his shitty coup attempt that he sudoku’d"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>try to dissolve congress\n>get impeached instead\n>on the same day\nwooooooow bugged coup mechanics"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThat was straigh up ridiculous"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nBoth wrong\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_German_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_plot"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nOh i definetely forgot about that one"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever trump tards did on January 6th.\n>>2\n>>8\nDying was literally the part of his plan if he didn't succeed. Everything he had ever written had some yearning for suicide.He was past the age he wanted to live because he was horrendously gay and obsessed with aesthetics. The \"coup attempt\" was nothing just something he tried just in case it might work by sheer luck. Basically he didn't kill himself out of shame and probably never ever believed it would work."}, {"id": 14, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#\nRate"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWell at least they actually tried to do something"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThis one is better"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are so many harebrained coup attempts it's hard to pick. Operation Gideon in Venezuela a few years ago was funny since it was just a group of mercs who got stopped by fishermen."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nI'm sure duh See-Eye-Hay was very interested in organizing a coup d'etat against their main puppet party while at the same time informing the authorities of it and dismantling the only real governamental ally BJV had in the Greek Junta in favour of social democrats of questionable loyalty (and communist sympathies) through psyops and giving permission to Turkey to ethnically cleanse the Greeks in NC."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nWas going to post this. Mishima is a good writer, but he must've known deep down it wasn't a coup so much as a way to kill himself in the most prettyboy way possible. The JSDF didn't even instigate anything against him (i.e no one tried to shoot him or even arrest him), he just seppuku'd like it was nothing. And even then Mishima couldn't end his own life properly!\n\n>Mishima then committed seppuku, a form of ritual suicide by disembowelment associated with the samurai. Morita had been assigned to serve as Mishima's second (kaishakunin), cutting off his head with a sword at the end of the ritual to spare him unnecessary pain. However, Morita proved unable to complete his task, and after three failed attempts to sever Mishima's head, Koga had to step in and complete the task"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSo it was just a suicide?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nAs another anon posted earlier, suicidal thoughts and inspirations had been his companion for years before the attempt, the incident was him finally following through on his desires. Still, getting heckled by the crowd he spoke to probably wasn't a part of his plan."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nHe legitimately thought he was going to inspire a one-man revolution to sweep through the ranks of the JSDF to cast off the American-written constitution and restore the Japanese Empire through the powers of charisma and ideology!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Still, getting heckled by the crowd he spoke to probably wasn't a part of his plan.\nI don't think he expected anything to be honest. He went there and did it.\n>>22\nIt's funny to pretend that it happened like this but in reality it was just a guy who didn't want to be an ugly old frail man.He killed himself before his physical decline set in so as not rot. You atleast would have seen that interview of him talking about how dying like warrior wasn't an option these days. He was giga homo basically who hated ugliness."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIf he truly wanted dignity he would've offed himself quietly with plenty of preparation for those who knew him instead of trying to start le ebin revolution :DDDDDD and being a RuPaul-tier drama queen when people laugh at him"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\n>eurotrash political movement\n>have to call them burgers because theyre as retarded as americans"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>If he truly wanted dignity he would've offed himself quietly with plenty of preparation for those who knew him instead of trying to start le ebin revolution :DDDDDD\nI guess he thought it was worth a shot. Not like he had anything to lose. Seeing imperial Japan having comeback probably would have given him some purpose to live to an old age and even better if it was to die in some war. He was also opposite of your typical nerd intellectual but very well versed in kendo,a body builder and even a part of Japanese military. He even piloted a fighter jet.\n>being a RuPaul-tier drama queen when people laugh at him\nHe didn't seem much bothered if you actually look at the event. He just urged them strongly for a while while people jeered at him then he went back into the building and committed ritual suicide."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nI feel that a coup is like a souffle. Either it works perfectly or, more likely, it fails spectacularly. There's no middle ground. There's plenty of terrible failed coups to look at."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nNot true since some coups, most notably the Spanish coup of 1936, result in civil wars."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\n>Avanguardia Nazionale took a leading role in the abortive coup attempt by Junio Valerio Borghese the following year.[4]\n\n>Avanguardia Nazionale organized the assassination of Italian magistrate Vittorio Occorsio, employing arms supplied by the CIA via its contacts in Francoist Spain."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\nWhy do people think this was a serious coup attempt and not just an artistic statement?\nIt's because they've never read anything this man wrote"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nBiden won."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>employing arms supplied by the CIA via its contacts in Francoist Spain.\nLiteral equivalent of\n>source: my ass\nThe CIA was too busy funding the ETA to kill Franco's successor. Italian Wiki (that den of communists) doesn't mention any CIA activity either. Francoist Spain was more than happy to help AN (and JVB) by itself. It doesn't make sense for the CIA to fund black terrorism in the first place, especially when the main objective was weakening the PCI, as if that party didn't live off its myth as the \"\"\"main antifascist\"\"\" force. Nor does it make sense for the CIA to finance a group of communists to kill a prime minister who was singlehandedly tardwranging the PCI into American subservience. The entire Gladio narration is ruined without repair and the main communist narration about Piazza Fontana doesn't make sense, especially considering recent findings.\nIn short: total communist boomer death."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>3\n>Great War veterans\nThey were all like 50 by then."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>3\nThere were WW2 veterans (especially those of the RSI) and their family though. The MSI was a thing you know."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>11\nThat‘s not a real coup. That‘s just the Greens arresting our equivalent of q-anon boomers. They were too buffoonish to be a real threat. Same thing happened a few years earlier, where they tried to turn an anti-corona measure protest into our equivalent of january 6. They pretended protestors wanted to storm the Reichstag. And storm is a scary word in germany, because of world war 2."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>unknown\nSEAmoneky fetishizes a gay Japanese daddy. Pottery"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nYeah, I read a little bit about it and the Reichsbürgers look like our Q types but even less effective than them. Leave it to German schizos to not even try the thing and then patiently sit around and wait for a week after the police show up and tell them, \"ja, so vee vill arrest you in a veek, so pleaze do not leave, okay zee you in a veek.\"\n\nHow would they even storm the Reichstag? They'd probably walk up and knock on the door and then ask to be let in, and then told no, so they'd stand around and then go home."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>31\nhe bought the \"election\""}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>unknown\nHitler confirmed for a tranny"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>unknown\n>die for a cause\nPatton’s guide to wining wars applies to other causes too"}, {"id": 41, "content": "he did it to sell books lmao, set his family up for life\nno stunt in history has ever attained more free publicity\nyou would have never heard of him if he hadn't"}, {"id": 42, "content": "I give a honorable mention to the August coup in which the old guard who tried to save the USSR proved so inept that they failed to overturn Gorbachev, made Yeltsin a national hero and doomed the USSR forever."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\n>>37\nThey're more like sovereign citizens than Q boomers."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>2\n>ultranationalist\n>also a raging faggot\nwho writes this shit"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be a cabal of billionairs upset by FDR's tax hikes\n>plan to replace him with a fascist junta\n>look for a military leader to lead the coup\n>pick an outspoken anti-fasisct and supporter of FDR\n>he reports it all to the authorities"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dog\n\nAround 9 Neo-Nazis planned to coup the government of Dominica and start the 4th reich in the process. Dominica is country of 72000 people, mostly of African ancestry btw.\n\nSo they got some guns, ammo and Nazi flags, went to a boat captain pretending to be CIA agents and asked him to transport them to Dominica. Instead the captain called the ATF who arrested the group the next day when they tried to get on the boat."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>In February 1981, the captain and crew backed out. Perdue then approached a local boat captain and Vietnam War veteran, Michael S. Howell. Perdue said that the Central Intelligence Agency needed his boat for a covert operation. Howell then contacted the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). On April 25, John was arrested in Dominica. When Perdue learned of the arrest and that their plans were no longer secret, he insisted that the mission should continue. On April 27, the group, including three ATF agents, met at the predetermined location, loaded the van and proceeded to the marina. Local police were waiting for them at the marina.\nlol"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>17\nWhy does this keep happening in Venezuela, Cuba tried the same shit in the 60s and got stopped by some villagers"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\nHoly mother of kino, that picture"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nIt's not like those 8 guys were planning to overthrow the government by themselves, they were trying to join preexisting plotters including the head of the Dominican military."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>>50\n>pretending\nsomething glows about the whole thing, I highly doubt a bunch of neo-nazi thugs got in touch with Dominica's ex-PM of their own accord, and then just so happened to found Stormfront not long after getting released from prison"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nin france, there was a guy attempting a coup from some island in Oceania, the civil servants found out and now they detain him in their prison"}, {"id": 53, "content": "also two french idiots wanted to do a coup in madagascar kek\nhttps://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2022/08/27/coup-d-etat-presume-a-madagascar-condamnation-confirmee-aux-travaux-forces-pour-deux-francais_6139187_3212.html"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>4\n>Are GLADIO shenanigans typically incompetent?\nThe Brabant killers were pretty competent."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>30\nWhy do Mishimahomos always cope with this?\n>duhhh he didn't REALLY want a coup\n>he was just being artistic :) he got mocked and fucked up his sudoku to be artistic"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>17\nFishermen with helicopters you say?\n\nA coup isn't an invasion, the plotters just hope that the army will back them, based on the rumors spreading in the barracks. The coup is just a call for action."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>22\nIt could have worked and hes still an inspiration to this day. Such daring actions sometimes work"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nI haven't seen anything to suggest that he fucked up his seppuku, it was the guy who was supposed to cut his head off who messed it up\nAnd yes, it was one last emotional outburst before his planned suicide\nWhere else is he supposed to do it? A military base after a failed coup is perfect since he was always obsessed with the military after he was rejected from being a suicide pilot during WW2"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nYeah a bad coup is.\nI can't believe anyone signs up for these suicide missions."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>9\nIt gets even better\n>They put something in my glass water\n>I don't remember anything\nThat was his defense afterwards"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose Venetian nationalists who built a \"Tank\" (just an armored truck really) and \"occupied\" St. Marks Square, proclaiming to everyone that they are armed and desired the independence of the Venetian Most Serene Republic.\n\nThe police shortly discovered they had no weapons or anything and the turrets it had were just tubes. They pried open the tank and arrested everyone inside, who were just apparently drinking wine/vodka iirc."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\n>I can't believe anyone signs up for these suicide missions.\nThey do and coups sometimes work sometimes dont. Its obviously risky. Either way a coup is not some war, 99% is giving a speech calling for a new government and for loyal units to surrender. It works when enough military already hates the government. Problem is its hard to know if the military hates the government because you can't just do a poll so the plotters have to go by subtle social cues."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFranco Freda was at least brave if stupid"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nWhy did they put a license plate on their makeshift tank?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nTo look cool or smth idk"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever those Qtard monarchist boomers in Germany were trying to do there recently probably qualifies"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>8\nPlus if any of them actually read his books (besides maybe Sun and Steel if they overlook the homoeroticism) I doubt they'd even like them."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>They pried open the tank and arrested everyone inside, who were just apparently drinking wine/vodka iirc.\n\nlmao based"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>45\nthat was probably made up"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>50\nBut why? What were they going to get out of restoring the ex-PM of Dominica?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>64\nTo make it street legal, duh."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\nThey likely tried nothing, probably larping as well."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>juan guaido\n>arab spring\n>umbrella movement\n>maidan\nall cringe"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>42\nDidn't the August coup more or less fall apart because the plotters tried to make Gorbachev resign or give them power and had no backup plan when he said no?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>unknown\nNever understood why they didn't desu, by you've already crossed the line by that point, might as well go all the way."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>13\nThe Brazilian mockbuster was worse\n>No support from the military\n>Their candidate was hiding in fucking Florida\n>Trash EMPTY government buildings\n>Leaked footage shows they were let in\n>Even find weapons in the building\n>They don't use them and just surrender to cops once they come in\n>For some reason the government they were supposedly trying to topple made most of the footage classified..."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>32\n>the main communist narration about Piazza Fontana doesn't make sense, especially considering recent findings.\nWhat findings?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nLula is based because he hates America"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>14\nThis one was absolutely kino at least, with protestors banging on tanks in the streets of Moscow. Probably the last time in history I’ll feel hope for Russian anything"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nhttps://youtu.be/6VqiMQoMXmw [Embed]"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nHe hates America in the commie geopolitics sense\nSocially he is a liberal NWO cuck, which is Americans (Wrongly) backed in and got mad when he did not join the Ukraine war\nReally he is trying to be neutral in a retarded way and just annoying everyone\n>NATO is to blame for the war, Crimea belongs to Rusisa, i am not sending weapons\n>So you are siding with Russia? REEE TRAITOR\n>No, i condemn the invasion, we should try to look for peace, maybe Russia can keep Crimea but hand over the rest\n>So you are siding with America? REEE TRAITOR\n>No, wait NATO started the war and i am not sending weapons\n>So you are siding with Russia, huh....\n>Rinse and repeat"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nHe's trying to get off the sinking American ship without pissing them off badly enough he gets couped or sanctioned, and doesn't want to piss off China or Russia either by being too pro-burger (what with BRICS and all). Neutrality is the smart option here, Brazil gains nothing from either side of this war."}, {"id": 83, "content": "Even if they worked for the CIA occasionally, it does not mean the CIA is behind everything\nTerrorist groups are unreliable and do stupid shit, just look at what happened to the groups the US backed in the Middle East"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>2\n\nthis guy was such a fucking loser lmao"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>2\n\n>wear some homemade costume\n>go out on a balcony to scream about muh samurai spirit thinking it'll cause a military coup\n>soldiers boo and laugh at you\n>helicopters drown you out\n>get embarrassed and kill yourself"}, {"id": 86, "content": "No one has posted based Tejero\n> BE SEATED YOU CUNTS"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this Tony Soprano?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nNope"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>3\nNeo fascism is still quite popular in Italy"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>61\nThat's based though"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>2\nThis was based, thoughever."}, {"id": 92, "content": "Ok /his/\nWe all had a laugh at the bad coup attempts\nBut how do successful coup attempts usually go?\nI assume that you would need a preexisting loyalty in some kind of armed service but even that doesnt guarantee success eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961\n\nSo what else? State probably needs to be in some form of disfunction and not be able to pay to maintain loyalty of its armed forces. But thats a rare and specific occasion.\nMoreover how can Putchists gain legitimacy? Its one thing to seize the capital or radio towers and parliament and another to make all the other regions listen to you."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\n>Moreover how can Putchists gain legitimacy?\nMight makes right. Control the army and security forces and that's it."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nAs much apathy as possible, both among the people and among the state officials who could stop you. However, this also leaves your own newly established regime vulnerable to coups, which is why some countries like e.g. South Vietnam have had one coup after another."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nThe best way to gain legitimacy is to ensure there is a sense of normalcy among the population. You don't need the population cheering your name to keep afloat; just have them content enough to go about their daily lives without grievous injury, and they can accept your leadership."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>2\nHe would have had more success if he had done this a year earlier and to a better audience, Japanese were tired of politics at this point"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christians be like\n>the church totally represents what Jesus thought 2,000 years ago! 2,000 of perfect tradition!\nYeah, right, I believe it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Yeah, right, I believe it.\nWhat do you actually believe?\nNot a sarcastic quip, your actual belief"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>What do you actually believe?\nThat’s unfair anon, you can’t just ask OP what he believes that opens OPs ideas to criticism. Having beliefs is hard because they can be challenged, tearing other people down as a way to boost yourself up while offering nothing of value in its place is the only way to go."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTogether we have exposed the OP.\nMission accomplished"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nt.homo-prottie who can't into church fathers"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHe's not defined by what he isn't. A complete reactionary. Like all antichrist fits on this site."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nhe is defined*\nbleh\nIn any case, I'd be happy to talk comparitive religion and religious history, but not when the OP's always so butthurt."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many Catholic bishops \"kissed\" Emperor Constantine's ass? How many \"christian\" TV ministers are millionaires?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>A nation baptized into Christ can’t have an apostolic Bishop pastoring a world leader given power and authority by God\n\nProts"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWolves in sheeps clothing, modern Pharisees who turn Gods house into a den of theives."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nIt's Saint Constantine."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI go to Pastor Jim's Bible Church. You know who founded it? Pastor Jim, a guy I know and trust. He was a varsity linebacker, I trust him with my life. Now who founded the Catholic church? Emperor Constantine? Guy must think pretty highly of himself to call himself emperor. Bet he couldnt even get on the soccer team. Know who my emperor is? JESUS CHRIST."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nNot him but Jesus didn't exist. He didn't write anything down. Nobody who met him wrote anything down. He's a character from a dubious story about a magic Jew from half a century later. So even if it was based on a real Jew we know nothing about him."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe KGB church doesn't, the Catacomb Church does."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Is it time?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>We wuz Old Testament and shit\nIf I was a Jew I think I'd genuinely chimp out at the sight of all these descendants of pagan Indo-Europeans claiming that they are \"the REAL Biblical Hebrews!\" kek. Imagine telling David back in 1000 BC that a bunch of pasty niggas from that mysterious northern continent would be trying to claim the legacy of your temple and Yahweh cult as their own."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_reform_of_Peter_the_Great\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Sergius_of_Moscow\nhttps://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christians\nYou're not talking about Christians. But you call them Christians for some dumb reason."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Imagine telling David back in 1000 BC that a bunch of pasty niggas from that mysterious northern continent would be trying to claim the legacy of your temple and Yahweh cult as their own.\nYou mean Ashkenazi Jews?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObjectively not true. Pic related is the original church. Orthodox and Catholics have nothing to do with it. Some protestants do tho."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nChristian soldiers are literally in the Bible"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nYes a soldier could convert to become a Christian. But a Christian could not become a soldier. Roman soldiers could not just quit. You can today tho. But even the soldiers that became Christians were told to stop doing any violence. They would just pray on the battlefield. This is attested to by a Roman emperor as well."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>But even the soldiers that became Christians were told to stop doing any violence. They would just pray on the battlefield.\nNot in the Bible. Anyway, Hippolytus of was in good standing with the Roman Church and held the office of presbyter. He at one point schismed to establish his own bishop, and became the world’s first antipope, but he and the church reconciled before his death. This is on Wikipedia. He wasn’t a baptist"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Not in the Bible\nI literally just showed you Luke 3:14 where it says soldiers who converted did violence no more. The Catholic and Orthodox churches didn't come into existence until Rome created the institution in the 4th century. Hippolytus died long before they were established."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>I literally just showed you Luke 3:14 where it says soldiers who converted did violence no more\nThat was John’s advice to them. Cornelius (Acts 10) didn’t seem to be of that philosophy. At least it doesn’t describe him leaving his job. The early Church did not have a uniform view on the issue of military service.\n>The Catholic and Orthodox churches didn't come into existence until Rome created the institution in the 4th century\n>Hippolytus died long before they were established.\nAnd yet he was still a poor, studied under Irenaeus, believed in apostolic succession… not a Baptist"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nStill a pope*\nAnd I meant to say\n>The Catholic and Orthodox churches didn't come into existence until Rome created the institution in the 4th century\nYou haven’t provided any evidence of this apart from a pacifist view."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.\n\n>5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me\nCatholic bros I don't feel so good, I thought the pope said it was ok to bow down to graven images. Should I just stop reading my Bible and just let the church tell me how to think?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you have a problem with it being a statue of Mary.\nWhat if it was a statue of Jesus Christ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nProhibited by Deuteronomy 4:15-19"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nThis chart is pure strawman even by tradcath standards. If you want to remake the meme\n>they get a lot angrier about Luther and Calvin (roughly in that order)\n>there aren't many tradcaths sympathizing with Nazis, they're usually more into Salazar's Portugal, Mussolini's Italy, or Napoleon's France for the \"vgh no degenarcy paradise\"\n>replace MLK with Pope John XXIII or Pope Paul VI (the Vatican II guys)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\n>>2\n>>3\n>4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,\nOh wait...."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>He compares the literal Ark that God commanded to build to some manmade pagan statues"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSo it is okay to make images of heavenly beings under the correct context.....\n\nI see....."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nSo was the ARK a Likeness of anything that is heaven above?\nOr is it not?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>o build to some manmade pagan statues\nThe stautes of the angels were also manmade, what, you think God himself made the ark?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">WORSHIP. THE. FRIGGIN. AIR. IN. THE . FRIGGIN. BARN."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWhy is it so hard to not worship pictures and statues?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhy do semites hate images so much?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nPr*testants are proto-Muslims. I know this to be true."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Reminder that letters themselves are graven images, and we should ignore autists who freak out over statues and pictures."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNot all Protestants are Calvinists you know"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAll pr*tesants are already on their way to being Muslims, C*lvinists in particular are just one step away from reciting the shahada though."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nmental gymnastics"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nWho bows down to letters?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\nYWNBAW"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nWorship the Lord your God."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nmeds now"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nIn all seriousness. Even crosses worried me, but that is a fault in myself. The Pharisees drew lines and stayed far on the other side instead of worrying about the heart."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is the old covenant. Only Jews and Muslims hold on to it so quickly.\nGod sanctified the material with the incarnation of Christ.\n>He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature-Colossians 1:15\nTry to keep up. Christians are a people of a New Covenant. The fullness of God's revelation. Not a partial one."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nWhere does the New Testament say it's ok to sin?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nJesus died for your sins, and now you are under the new covenent. That means all those eternal words God spoke no longer apply or something and you can do whatever you want, as long as you belieeeeeve in jeeesus!!\n\nwanna eat pork? Go ahead, wanna break teh sabbath? go ahead jesus is ur sabbath or something. wanna do pagan tree idolatry called christmas? go ahead, wanna do whatever u want, DO IT. we are under new magical covenent where you can do whatever the hell you want"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's only for the Jew."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>people still arguing over a 3000 years old desert religion\n\nWhen will it end?"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Imagine wanting to live like a desertnigger and fearing statues."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe prohibition is against carved idols and objects of image worship, not against representations of any kind including of Christ and His mother. Otherwise, we would object to all statues, impressions, portraits, and photographs. Yet you only care to attack Catholics.\n\n>Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThats exactly what the Protestcuck commandment is: a ban on any statuary. They want to live like semitic savages."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWhere is the biblical justification for worshipping Saint Nonceus' shriveled up mummified finger or penis as Catholics are so fond of?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>Otherwise, we would object to all statues, impressions, portraits, and photographs.\nYes"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nDo you know I can trash on both traditions, christcel?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you have any idea how many pagan matriarchal societies they had to convert?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Everyone always lines up either for or against Japan, but as I see it, the Japanese deserve both praise and condemnation.\n\nTheir rule in Taiwan and especially Korea wasn't remotely as bad as is often made out: Korea before Japanese rule really was a dreadfully backward, awful place run by imbeciles and tyrants of the worst sort, and some of their ideas when it came to Manchuria were actually quite interesting. Along with the Western powers, their commercial interests played a role in modernising Shanghai, Dalian and other Chinese port cities, which were of benefit to the country and to the other Powers.\n\nAt the same time, their conduct in China and Southeast Asia was absolutely appalling and this has been confirmed by Western as well as Asian observers.\n\nThe Japanese were really quite capable at times, and showed promise in their ability to manage their colonial holdings as well as their concessions in China. They simply got too greedy and demanding, and overstretched themselves. Also, besides what they did to the poor Chinese, they rather rudely and arrogantly thought they could trample on the legitimate rights of the other powers and get away with it, for no particular reason.\n\nAnd it could have all been so very different! And it was different before the war. The diverse, free, enterprising spirit of the New China open to the world was replaced, first by the horrors of war and atrocity brought by the Japanese, and then the red tide of communism. What a shame!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have no strong opinion about japan but weebs really do get under my skin, the religious fervor for a completely unrelated people and the obstinate defense of everything they do or did is really grating"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ncopu andu seetho"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nuance\njaps were subhumans deal with it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nywnbj"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It’s probably better to analise Japanese society in the timeframe from a domestic policy standpoint rather than a foreign policy one.\nHow their society went from the europhilic meiji regime to the zaibatsu dominated taisho era and it’s culmination in the early shōwa/WW2.\nJapan is weird because, despite being a very successful country in many regards, it failed to reach the same standard of “rule of law” that the west did, despite actively trying to adopt it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDemocracy has always been a western European concept, it has never worked outside of it, not even in other parts of Europe like Russia."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm a Thai hapa. I wouldn't have minded a \"Pan Asian\" empire that the Japanese at the time aspired to. Especially if it had sped up industrialization across the whole continent quicker. Then again, Thais didn't suffer under them and don't have the cultural anger that Chinese and Koreans d. The Thai kings played politics well. They threw Japan under the bus too, when it was finally convenient to them."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhy are there so many trannies in Thailand?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBeats me. I'm embarrassed anytime it's brought up. Plz no bully."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe only reason I don't get it is because Thailand has such a strong conservative buddhist culture. If it was India with their million gods and hijra I could understand it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI understand. Some trannies know there's something wrong with them, but they write it off as just karma or karma they'll have to pay and hope to resolve it next time. It's sad. Buddhism is conservative, but karma has a way to hand wave issues in the present."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSo what's the deal with you then, do you live in Thailand or are you a goblino de americanas?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIn America. Also family business in Thailand, but I'm unvaxxed and can't even get in there now."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nAll you have to do is take COVID test and show the results to airport staff"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nMaybe the rules changed? Everyone I know (who was vaxxed) even had to be put in quarantine for awhile, as recently as last summer."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople lack nuance about evertyhing."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Anyone else think nuance is missing from discussion about European colonialism?\n\nEveryone always lines up either for or against Europe, but as I see it, the Europeans deserve both praise and condemnation.\n\nTheir rule in Subsaharan Africa wasn't remotely as bad as is often made out: Subsaharan Africa before European rule really was a dreadfully backward, awful place run by cannibals and slavers of the worst sort. Europeans built...well, virtually all cities in black Africa, which were of benefit to the continent."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan was an evil pagan country but after being defeated in WW2 they copied America and became civilized. The culture is now basically a version of 1960s America"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\nPaganism."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nBuddhism is paganism. Gold idols"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nFunny, I feel the exact same way about anti-weebs to the point that I loathe them no matter their political affiliation.\nIt reeks so heavily of americans so-called cosmopolitans who can't deal with a people who aren't like them in character being well-liked for their own peculiarities.\nWhenever I hear people seethe about them I just mentally replace Japan with European homogeneous nations and find it's the exact same anti-white attitude underlying it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nThat's not what an idol is or what the fat gold guy is"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Everyone always lines up either for or against (thing), but as I see it, the (thing) deserve both praise and condemnation\n\nYes, this is generally the case in history and geopolitics"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>10\nDon’t be embarrassed, some of them are hot."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nThey are both annoying as fuck and have no idea what they’re talking about 95% of the time. Imagine a political argument about America by two Southeast Asians and it’s like\n>American society is so fucked up. 95% are morbidly obese and 1 in 3 Americans will die in a mass shooting. Source: Memes\n>Noo, Americans would never use guns to kill innocent people just the bad guys. Source: GI Joe the animated series\n\nThat what it’s like for the 1% of Japanese people who make the mistake of venturing onto western internet"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\nThis unironically for both Japan and Europe."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n>Whenever I hear people seethe about them I just mentally replace Japan with European homogeneous nations and find it's the exact same anti-white attitude underlying it.\nHow can you say this and also simp and apologize for the Japanese who routinely abused and murdered white prisoners of war from those same homogeneous nations you're talking about?\nThey also raped Dutch women after the East Indies came under their control.\nSympathy for Germany is a no-brainer because they were at least European, but the japs were a barbaric, inhumane, alien race that went on an incel-esque rampage partially motivated by resentment because the racist west considered them inferior.\nLike a lot of pro-jap people you only like them because you hate America, which at the time may I remind you was a lily white, mostly Nordic nation fully justified in swatting these bloodthirsty orientals after being attacked by them unprovoked."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Like a lot of pro-jap people you only like them because you hate America\nNo, I like them because of their modern day culture.\nSame reason you hate them and want them destroyed just like you want Europeans destroyed.\nIt's very transparent."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\nJapan is the last beautiful country left on Earth not overrun with immigrants."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\nits worked well enough in india. Despite the massive historical illiteracy. India is a place as odd as europe though"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nBy that measure we could easily justify hatred against Americans too considering the rapes your black soldiers did against Europeans during WW2 or your private military contractors DynCorp's history of trafficking in child sex slaves in the Balkans."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\nIt currently works fine in Taiwan"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nWhat is there to like about modern Japanese culture? Define modern Japanese culture."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThe fact that I can visit and remember what my part of Europe was like roughly 25 years ago before the migration horde for one. With barely any theft or violence, clean streets, unique homegrown take on imports, their own celebrations, their own type of nature, their own type of art both low and high, a working culture that isn't just about cheating the state out of money, sensible exclusion of foreigners from internal affairs and economy.\nFrankly what isn't to like about Japan if you're not an american anti-nativist who worships DEI-style fake diversity?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nBarely any of what you're talking about is unique to Japan though, being singularly focused on your own culture, having a strict immigration policy and tough-on-crime policing is characteristic of much, if not most of the world.\n\nMaybe you really are genuinely fond of particular aspects of Japanese culture, but it's curious that you didn't mention any actual specific things peculiar to Japan that you like (specific festivals, customs and traditions, costume, historic sites, foods even), just alluded to the fact that they have them. You make it sound like you just like them for being idealised chuds or whatever."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nNot that anon but I agree with what he says.\n\nJapan is basically what the West was and what I want it to be, that's all there is to it. If the west was stuck in some 1950s time bubble I wouldn't give a shit about Japan.\n\nYou say \"homogeneously following their own culture\" is characteristic of most of the world, and yes that may be true, and yes it may be enjoyable if I was from that culture. If I was a Bedouin then driving my camel through the desert and eating curry off a rug on the floor in my tent might be my ideal society, but I'm not so it isn't. I just want to be able to walk down a clean paved street, from a comfy affordable house with nice architecture, to my stable safe job I don't have to worry is going to be outsourced to some sweatshop in the third world, and I want all of this to happen without getting stabbed by urban joggers, potentially lose my job over liking a sexist tweet, or dealing with crumbling ill-maintained infrastructure.\n\nAlas, I know you don't actually care why people like the idea of Japan, you're either a seething Chinese/Korean who doesn't want anyone to like Japan specifically OR you're a self hating westerner who doesn't want anyone criticizing the carnival you have created in the place western civilization once stood, so this reply is entirely pointless."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>Barely any of what you're talking about is unique to Japan though\nThat's where you're wrong. Almost all of it is a unique cultural output of theirs just like it is in Europe. You cannot replace a people and expect the same culture to keep existing, it doesn't happen.\n>being singularly focused on your own culture\nThey are if anything incredibly open and interested in other cultures, which they then adapt for their own sensibilities.\nFrankly the polar opposite to Americans who want to turn everywhere into a sad ersatz copy of urban America.\n>Maybe you really are genuinely fond of particular aspects of Japanese culture, but it's curious that you didn't mention any actual specific things peculiar to Japan that you like\nMainly because I don't feel like discussing it with someone I have pegged as anti-nativist and a bad sort.\nI could wax on about a bunch of geeky shit from 2ch niche geek hobbies to modern art installations, cool new ukiyo-e or hanami celebrations or how I appreciate the distinction between honne and tatemae because by delineating it they inadvertently separate the real you and the corporate fakery but fact is I don't want to go too in-depth with someone I have pegged as a hostile who'd just use it to ruin those things for those who enjoy them."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nhow the fuck do you access japanese chans without a vpn"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nSimple, I have a VPN."}, {"id": 41, "content": "It’s funny because South Korean culture is just a dollar store version of Japanese culture."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\neeeeeeeeeeeeeh sasuga anon-tan"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\n>Japan is basically what the West was\n\nVery insulting, and ignorant. To both the West, and Japan."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\n>I don't want to go too in-depth with someone I have pegged as a hostile who'd just use it to ruin those things for those who enjoy them.\n\nImagine being this paranoid and delusional. Point taken, you do seem to have a sincere interest in Japanese culture. Now I can ungraciously use it to... make fun of you for being a massive weeb.\n\n>how I appreciate the distinction between honne and tatemae\n\nEl. Oh. El."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nAre you seriously trying to claim that Japan post Meiji and again post-ww2 didn't deliberately and successfully westernize it's culture?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nIt did, but Japanese culture was and is still very different. If you pulled a Chinaman or a Kinh from the 18th century out of their time and into the modern-day version of their countries, they'd be amazed at how Westernised everything is and they'd be right to be, but that doesn't make these countries now \"basically like the West used to be\" or whatever."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nWhich would you say Japan is closer to, Western civilization or 1850 Japan?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">bro this is EXACTLY like 1950s europe\nweebs are fucking deranged"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nWhich would you say [75%+ countries on Earth] are closer to, Western civilization, or 1850 [country name]?\n\nWhat does the Industrial Revolution have particularly to do with Japan?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nCloser how? How would you even quantify something like that?\n\nObviously the economy is bigger, and they use Western construction materials so they live in concrete cuckcages now instead of ones made of wood. They have televisions. They wear Westoid-style suits. So do a lot of other people."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>>49\nYou're literally admitting Japan has all the Western trappings, yet are simultaneously claiming they're not Western.\nIf going to a flower festival in a yukata once a year means they're not western then equally Scotsmen wearing kilts for weddings means they're not western."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>32\n>By that measure we could easily justify hatred against Americans too considering the rapes your black soldiers did against Europeans during WW2\nNo. It's not even comparable to the rape fest that the Japanese had going on. The American military was also segregated at the time, blacks were a tiny portion of it, and they weren't allowed in combat roles aside from some rare exceptions. You can't even compare the conduct of the two nations during WW2, it's ridiculous. Nothing the Americans did even comes close to the brutality displayed by the Japanese.\n>our private military contractors DynCorp's history of trafficking in child sex slaves in the Balkans\nNever heard of that. If true and you're also from the Balkans then you're justified in hating America, but regardless that still wouldn't give you a free pass to sympathize with the Japanese during WW2."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>Japan is Western because they Westernized and have Western institutions\n>But the rest of Asia isn't even though they are Westernized too and follow Western institutions\nThat's it. I've seen tardbrained weebs say Japan is the epitome of a Westernised non-Western nation while simultaneously crapping on Korea and China because their hard on for Japan even though they're as Westernized as Japan is"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\n>You're literally admitting Japan has all the Western trappings, yet are simultaneously claiming they're not Western.\nWell, yea. Whoever thinks that Japan is what the West ( Europe/US ) just because can jump off a ledge\nI'm not OP and this was my response >>53"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nis the fucking congo western too?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>30\nWhy do they kill themselves so much?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nThey don't. They're like #84 in the latest rankings.\nFor a frame of reference Canada is #30."}, {"id": 58, "content": "Found this in a Japanese hotel room. Thoughts?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>53\nChina is as Westernized as Japan, but they're not as polite and civil. See all the wallet drop experiments. They've also got a massive poverty problem.\nIf Japan is the West China is Eastern Europe, close but no cigar.\n\nKorea... Who fucking cares? If Japan is the West they are... Ireland."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nWhat were you doing in a Japanese hotel?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nHe was probably sleeping nigger, stop asking stupid questions."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nJust one example of Japanese revisionism. I find that the Japanese propaganda machine is one of the most well oiled on the planet. I would never trust something the Japanese tell me because they lied for decades. Japanese create false flag attacks against China, their emporer lies and says that he's literally the descendent of God, and I am supposed to turn around and believe that they would lie about those things - but not about a massacre which there is ample evidence for? I regard them as not only being liars, but as hopelessly brainwashed so as to believe their own lies."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>41\nAlso remove any soul"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>59\nWesternised in the sense that they replaced a lot of their tradition with Marxist drivel, but that \"Chinese characteristics\" is still pretty strong. Many of the worst parts of Chinese culture have been there for millenia"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Anyone else think nuance is missing from discussion about Japan?\nIt is always evil Chinese insects making insect noises or mentally ill weebs talking like anime girls.\n>>64\n>Westernised in the sense that they replaced a lot of their tradition with Marxist drivel\nThe Meiji Restoration predated any infiltration with Marxian thought anon. The West literally brought modern technology to Japan.\n>but that \"Chinese characteristics\" is still pretty strong\nSo you're Chinese lol.\n>Many of the worst parts of Chinese culture have been there for millenia\nWell they aren't there today, and haven't been there for over 200 years."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\n>Just one example of Japanese revisionism. I find that the Japanese propaganda machine is one of the most well oiled on the planet.\nSaid the Chinese Insect that believes absolutely everything their own government says without ay doubt what so ever.\nThe Japanese Prime Minister was assassinated by a disgruntled citizen simply because Japan is more free and isn't full of propaganda. They are way more self critical than even Chinese people living over-seas.\n>I regard them as not only being liars, but as hopelessly brainwashed so as to believe their own lies.\nSaid the Chinese Psychopath that nobody will ever like.\nIndians hate you, Americans hate you, Hong Kong hate you, Tibet hates you etc.\nYour whole country is nothing but a manufacturing slave economy ruled over by super wealthy state favorites.\nPeople will only ever come to you for manufacturing. Russia only wants your weapons even though they also hate you. Nobody will ever like Chinese People."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the great Greek conqueror Alexander was Macedonian\n>the great French conqueror Napoleon was Corsican\n>the great German conqueror Hitler was Austrian\nWhat's up with this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Macedonian\nJust another type of Greek\n>Corsican\nJust another type of French\n>Austrian\nJust another type of German"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImmigrants overcompensating type scenario."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPossiby E1b1b\nE1b1b\nE1b1b"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWere they Jomon or Yayoi?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nCorsicans are very definitely Italians, but it could be argued that since French identity is fake and inclusive of multiple separate ethnicities to begin with, the distinction is irrelevant. Anyone at all can be French so long as they are gay and pathetic enough"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>Just another type of German\nEast Germans have strong slav-balt connection, while southern Germans have Latins-Celtic gene"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThis does not in any way contradict the statement"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMacedonian were neighboring chimpers that took advantage in the ashes of the Peloponnesian war"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt do be like this"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nEthnicity is a spook, Germans are Germano-Celto-Slavic rapebabies."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nCorsicans are genetically and culturally Italian. They've already done studies on this."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nIt can be rather easily determined when someone is definitely not part of an ethnicity when they plot miles away from everyone else considered part of it, Corsica is part of the Italian cluster and not close to France"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nShitalian identiy is the same. What do Corsicans have to do with Tyroleans and Sicilians?\nItaly came into existence in the 19th century, and has been brown, pathetic, poor and shit ugly ever since."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAnd Bonaparte is a Lombard name\nOnly counter French have is their expansive national bubble"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nNo, it isn’t, it’s Ligurian, anyway you can see his familytree on geneanet, mostly Corsican and Ligurian"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nHepatitis A, actually"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModern Macedonians are an offshoot of Bulgarians who had yet to appear from the steppe during the reign of Alexander\n\nWhile Corsica was indeed of an Italian disposition when it was first annexed by France and Napoleon was indeed something of a Corsican nationalist during his youth, he ended up larping as a Frenchman either out of personal taste, the chance for political power, or both. Funnily enough, this put him at odds with his former idol - Paoli - who led a rebellion against the French after the initial annexation and also headed a briefly independent Corsican Kingdom which was a protectorate of Britain during the French Revolutionary Wars for a time.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquale_Paoli\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Corsican_Kingdom\n\nAustrians were indeed a type of German which is why they initially headed the German Confederation before the Austro-Prussian War. Hitler still strongly identified with being German and might of actually been of Bavarian descent rather than Austrian descent with the two regions neighboring one another."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nJulius Norwich said so, so I trust him"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nAllegedly, Paoli was the gay lover of Napoleon's father."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>7\nOnly prussians had that, and those teritorries are mostly poland now"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Christianity create/inspire so many sects like Jonestown, Heavens Gate, Waco Davidians , Alamo sect etc compared to other religions?hnxy2b"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNotice how all of those are American"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's honestly a weird pattern"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam, Judaism and Hinduism has plenty of secret sects living in isolated villages/compound. Those just have more publicity."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nParadise after death myth. Consider also: suicide bombers.\nAs for >>2 it probably has to do with the mixing of Protestant, Native American, and African traditions making a weird religious soup."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's mostly an American things. Events such as the Great Revivals and general American individualism led to many people having niche takes on the Bible and religion in general. These weird takes attract weird people, who cluster together in isolation."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFalse prophets. It really is that simple. Evil wants to corrupt the truth."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's the inherent American tendency towards weird cults."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>6\n>>8\nOrder of the Solar Temple"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>compared to other religions?\nbuddhism and daoism had (and probably have) a ton more cults and they were much worse than anything christian"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey lust and want what they can never be.\nFrom the start, it has attracted the power hungry who were jealous of what the Apostles could do, and who tried to form their own sects imitating their acts. They always meet a bad end. Simon Magus was the first of these clowns, called the father of all heretics."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>compared to other religions?\ncompared to what religion exactly? Same kind of autistic death cults also exists in Dharma-influenced new age religions and Islam (what is salafi jihadism?)\n>>2\njeez i wonder why! Because America is the only nation where you dont get taxed when you place God somewhere in your corporation's documents."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nUganda cult (called revival of the ten commandments or something)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you can't defeat them, join them. Satan vasically infiltrates and creates apostate counterfeits since he can't get Islam to be popular."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nThis"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n>>2\na lot of foundational americans were schizo religious people from europe. could explain it\n\nlike you existed in europe anytime in the last 400 years, were a cult (read: minority religious sect) you could just move a couple hundred people to america and a few generations later an entire nation starts trusting the plan WWG1WGA"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait til you hear about all the wacky Taoist-Buddhist sects in China."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>compared to other religions\nTop kek.\nJust because you haven't heard of the many, MANY sects in islam, buddhism, taoism, hinduism, etc doesn't mean they don't exist."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause the bible and the teaching of christianity are not very clear so people interpret it in different ways."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nwe inherited the schizos from europe"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nYeah that’s what makes them based. Helps water the tree of liberty"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it a gradual thing, or all at once?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen American intelligence agencies turned against them after they manipulated the ANC into abandoning communism and adopting Western democratic values."}, {"id": 3, "content": "They probably began to feel the heat as the Soviet Union declined because the \"we need them to counterbalance Soviet influence\" argument became irrelevant as the Soviets ceased being a threat."}, {"id": 4, "content": "mid 1980s\nthats when PW Botha was already secretly negotiating with ANC.\nby 1989, it was all over. Communism falls and South Africa is no longer \"useful\"\nwhites were hoping they could get some kind 50/50 of joint power sharing agreement with the blacks, but after Nelson Mandela was freed, that didn't matter anymore."}, {"id": 5, "content": "There are a few candidates for this:\n\n1984, when the NP started secret negotiations with the ANC\n1989, when the NP won that year's general election and saw off the KP challenge, giving it a mandate to continue reform policies that included repealing more and more apartheid legislation\n1992, when the Yes campaign won a referendum asking the electorate whether or not they supported the negotiated establishment of a new constitution\n1994, when the ANC won that year's general election"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey never lost. They cucked and defeated themselves.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_South_African_apartheid_referendum"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>They cucked and defeated themselves.\nThat's a loss anon."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuez crisis"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen Rhodesia folded... they sacrificed the Rhodies to buy more time for themselves, but the writing was on the wall by then. 1980."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>they sacrificed the Rhodies to buy more time for themselves\nHow?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nhttps://businesstimes.co.zw/rhodesia-was-successful-because-essentially-it-was-a-province-of-sa/\n\n>In his 1997 memoir, “The Great Betrayal”, Smith tells how South Africa under Johannes Voster betrayed Rhodesia in 1976 by forcing him (Smith) to accept Henry Kissinger’s proposals for black majority rule in Rhodesia.\n\n>Smith and a few of his cabinet colleagues were invited to Cape Town to meet Kissinger and Vorster to discuss the American proposals. Smith reports in Great Betrayal: “We talked over lunch, and the consensus was that the offer [Kissinger’s proposals] seemed to be the least of the various evils facing us. Kissinger was right: The free world was weak and decadent, and on the retreat. We could get along without the rest, but without South Africa’s assistance, there would be serious problems, and it had been made clear that there were a number of areas in which South Africa could turn the screws on us…”\n\n>Smith goes on: “After a while, Vorster asked us Rhodesians to join him and Hilgard Muller in one of the side rooms. Vorster said that it was necessary to inform us that his government had come to the conclusion that they were no longer able to go on supporting us financially and militarily. Vorster went on to say that he felt strongly the need for urgency and therefore we should make our decision, which would enable me to make public my acceptance that night.\n\n>On Tuesday 21 September, Ian Smith met his cabinet back home in Salisbury for a whole morning and afternoon session, and later they went to Parliament to announce the cabinet decision. “Finally,” he reports in his book, “with one exception, the caucus agreed with me and the cabinet decision. They accepted that we were confronted by the one country in the world [South Africa] which controlled our lifeline, and which had now issued an ultimatum leaving us no alternative."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>When American intelligence agencies turned against them after they manipulated the ANC into abandoning communism and adopting Western democratic values.\nThe CIA turned against Apartheid South Africa back in 1955 and helped to draw up the ANC's Freedom Charter?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me /his/, who is the best queen of all time?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOlga of Kiev"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nme"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYWNBAW"}, {"id": 5, "content": "LA SIERVA DE DIOS ISABEL I DE CASTILLA, «LA CATÓLICA», LA MADRE DE LA HISPANIDAD."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsabella of Castille"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njadwiga"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs there already a PAWG cosplay of Peach?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe best queen is a king, anon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nReplying to the OP: For me, Semiramis.\n\n>Semiramis (/səˈmJrəmJs, sJ-, sɛ-/; Syriac: ܫܲܡܝܼܪܵܡ Šammīrām, Greek: Σεμίραμις, Arabic: سميراميس Samīrāmīs, Armenian: Շամիրամ Šamiram) was the semi-legendary Lydian-Babylonian wife of Onnes and Ninus, who succeeded the latter to the throne of Assyria, according to Movses Khorenatsi. Legends narrated by Diodorus Siculus, who drew primarily from the works of Ctesias of Cnidus, describe her and her relationships to Onnes and King Ninus\n\n>Armenians and the Assyrians of Iraq, northeast Syria, southeast Turkey, and northwest Iran still use Shamiram as a given name for girls\n\n>The real and historical Shammuramat (the original Akkadian form of the name) was the Assyrian wife of Shamshi-Adad V (ruled 824 BC–811 BC). She was the ruler of the Neo-Assyrian Empire as its regent for five years before her son Adad-nirari III came of age and took the reins of power. She ruled at a time of political uncertainty, which is one of the possible explanations for why Assyrians may have accepted the rule of a woman when it was not allowed by the cultural tradition. She conquered much of the Middle East and the Levant and stabilized and strengthened the empire after a destructive civil war. It has been speculated that being a woman who ruled successfully may have made the Assyrians regard her with particular reverence and that her achievements may have been retold over the generations until she was turned into that legendary figure"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>The name of Semiramis came to be applied to various monuments in Western Asia and Anatolia whose origins had been forgotten or unknown. Various places in Upper Mesopotamia and throughout Mesopotamia as a whole, Media, Persia, the Levant, Anatolia, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Caucasus bore the name of Semiramis, or as slightly changed. It appears during the Middle Ages and Shamiramagerd (meaning created by Semiramis in Armenian) is the old name of the Armenian city of Van. Ultimately, nearly every stupendous work of antiquity near the Euphrates or in Iran seems to have been ascribed to her, even the Behistun Inscription of Darius. Herodotus ascribes to her the artificial banks that confined the Euphrates and he knew her name because it was inscribed on a gate of Babylon\n\n>While the achievements of Semiramis are clearly in the realm of mythical Persian, Armenian, and Greek historiography, the historical Shammuramat certainly existed. After her husband's death, she might have served as regent for her son, Adad-nirari III. Thus, during that time Shammuramat could have been in control of the vast Neo-Assyrian Empire (911-605 BC), which stretched from the Caucasus Mountains in the north to the Arabian Peninsula in the south, and from western Iran in the east to Cyprus in the west. In the city of Aššur on the Tigris, she had an obelisk built and inscribed that read, \"Stele of Shammuramat, queen of Shamshi-Adad, King of the Universe, King of Assyria, Mother of Adad Nirari, King of the Universe, King of Assyria, Daughter-in-Law of Shalmaneser, King of the Four Regions of the World"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Anne of Beaujeu, even though she was regent. France did really have popular queens"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nThe thing I think is the coolest thing about her:\n\n>Despite a lack of supporting evidence in the Bible, the book The Two Babylons (1853), by the Christian minister Alexander Hislop, was particularly influential in characterizing her as the Whore of Babylon. Hislop claimed that Semiramis invented polytheism and, with it, goddess worship. He also claimed that the head of the Catholic Church inherited and continued to propagate a millennia-old secret conspiracy founded by Semiramis and the Biblical king Nimrod to propagate the pagan religion of ancient Babylon. Grabbe and others have rejected the allegations in this book as based on a flawed understanding of the texts, but variations of them are accepted among some groups of evangelical Protestants.\n\n>Hislop asserted that Semiramis was a queen consort and the mother of Nimrod, builder of the Bible's Tower of Babel. He said that Semiramis and Nimrod's incestuous male offspring was the Akkadian deity Tammuz, and that all divine pairings in religions were retellings of this story. These claims are still circulated among some groups of evangelical Protestants, in the form of Jack Chick tracts, comic books, and related media\n\n>Critics have dismissed the speculations by Hislop as based on misunderstandings\n\n>Lester L. Grabbe has claimed Hislop's argument, particularly his association of Ninus with Nimrod, is based on a misunderstanding of historical Babylon and its religion. Grabbe criticized Hislop for portraying Semiramis as Nimrod's consort, despite that she has not been found in a single text associated with him, and for portraying her as the \"mother of harlots\", even though this is not how she is depicted in any of the historical texts where she is mentioned\n\n>Ralph Woodrow also has been critical of this interpretation and has stated that Alexander Hislop \"picked, chose and mixed\" portions of various myths from different cultures"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me everything about it\nPlease do not derail it with alAndalus talk"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey made the first ever compiled code of Roman law (the Breviary of Alaric), 20 years before Tribonian. The guy who did it (pic related) was your typical example of a just and smart king who isn't interested in war, he got killed by Clovis (the very much warlike king of the Franks) and thus were lost the lands in Gallia. Theodoric the great was there to help the Visigoths in their hour of need, though, so several of the lost territories were quickly regained."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Enacted a bunch of policies that made nazi germany pale in comparison and the kikes retaliated by opening the gates of toledo and letting in the sandchimps\nThats pretty much all you need to know about it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was a Roman General in the late 7th century (!) called Flavius Paulus who rebelled against the Visigoths and set himself up as a King for a few months. Surprised that isn't more well known."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA kingdom of Goths?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nugly ass gook"}, {"id": 7, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Visigothic Kingdom was a Germanic kingdom that emerged in the 5th century AD after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. The Visigoths were a Germanic people who originated in Scandinavia and migrated to the Black Sea region before moving westward into the Roman Empire. The Visigoths established a powerful kingdom in Spain and southwestern France, which lasted from the early 5th century until the early 8th century.\n\nThe Visigothic Kingdom was ruled by a series of kings, including Alaric I, who is best known for his sack of Rome in 410 AD. The Visigoths initially ruled over a territory that included modern-day Spain, Portugal, and southern France, but their territory expanded and contracted over time as they fought wars with other Germanic tribes, the Byzantine Empire, and Islamic invaders.\n\nDuring their reign, the Visigoths established a code of laws known as the Liber Iudiciorum, which was one of the most significant legal codes of the early Middle Ages. The code was written in Latin and compiled in the 7th century, and it remained in use in the Visigothic Kingdom until the Muslim conquest in the 8th century.\n\nThe Visigoths also played an important role in the spread of Christianity in Spain. They converted to Christianity in the 4th century, and they played a key role in the establishment of the Catholic Church in Spain. The Visigoths were known for their support of Arian Christianity, which was a heretical form of Christianity that rejected the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, but they eventually converted to Catholicism in the 6th century.\n\nThe Visigothic Kingdom was ultimately conquered by Muslim invaders in the early 8th century, marking the end of Visigothic rule in Spain. However, the Visigothic legacy lived on in the culture and history of Spain, and their contributions to law and Christianity had a lasting impact on the region."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were the most Romanized of all Germanic peoples.\nTheir kings started to meddle in the local church not unlike how the Byzantines did with their own, if they wouldn't have fallen before the Pope and East Emperor broke apart the Bishops in Iberia could have ended up completely independent from Rome or with a different take on Christianity if that had been allowed to last."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish it had been them instead of the Ostrogoths to take over Italy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>7th century Spain\n>\"Roman\"\n\nHe was centuries too late to be a Roman."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Flavius Paulus\n\nInteresting point but incorrect.\n\nDo remember that Roman was also considered to be an ethnic identity.\n\nMr. Paulus was more like a hispano-roman rather than a goth.\n\nAt his time and place in history, romans and goths still lived among eachother with this Kingdom.\n\nI understand why you say that though as this was two centuries after the collapse of the Western half, and Roman identity was quickly fading in the west."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Roman identity was quickly fading in the west\n\nQuickly fading? It was gone, and had been for about 200 years by that point. Rome was just a memory by this point."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI respect your confidence but this is simply incorrect.\n\nOne book of many on the topic;\n\nTransformations of Romanness: Early Medieval Regions and Identities\n\nInfact during the century Flavius Paulus was alive, Visigothic law acknowledged the existence of Romans and non-romans within its borders. As well as manuscripts identifying roman individuals and villages.\n\nThe Roman identity's erosion was a slow burn that varied from place to place and is interesting and deep topic. Read about it!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrow beaten by the Franks very often, and they were rather mocked by Gregory of Tours for their extreme instability and inability to form a dynasty\n>>2\nThat would be the Lex Burgundionum\n>>11\nThere were Roman peoples still existing as a real people and community into the 7th century. Only in the 8th do we see their disappearance. As the other poster said it was a recognized distinction in Iberia, as was it in Francia as well."}, {"id": 16, "content": "It was kino"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nFuck off ChatGPT shill."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were to ahead to their time politically, a democratic monarchy was the less useful political model at dark ages, you need strong authoritarian leaders for that kind of times, not cucks raped by lobbies"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nIt's kinda possible, but more like some asturian chief, the Jimena dinsty that ruled Spain and Portugal from X to XIII century was created by a basque warlord from Navarra"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nThe Codex Hermogenianus predates the Lex Romana Visigothorum by over 200 years. The Codex Gregorianus is even easier, dating to the early second century, but it only had a compilation of imperial constitutions (laws), and not of jurisprudence in annex like the latter works."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir architecture was kino"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nLooks like a weird mosque-church hybrid you'd find somewhere in the depths of Anatolia honestly."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nBoth were great, but their period was too unstable and geographically close to oriental expansionism"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe horseshoe arch was created in Western europe tho"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>12\n>At his time and place in history, romans and goths still lived among eachother with this Kingdom.\nBy the time islam invaded Spain there were no differences between goths and iberians, the population was too mixed"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI know. But aesthetic recognition(plus the color patterns)kind of averrides that knowledge for some reason. It' just a stupid cultural association. I know full well the horseshoe arch is apart of Iberian romanesque.\nSpeaking of which Visigothic Romelarp was pretty funny."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nI'd disagree. The differences were very tiny at that point. But you can tell who was who by the names. I doubt there were many peasants in Tarraco or Baetica called Wamba or Alberic."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nActually it dates to roman occupation, several buildings and stelae from roman spain era show it"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nImo, what makes it look like a mosque is more the geometrical patterns on the walls rather than the arches. And the lack of statues typical of muslim aniconism."}, {"id": 30, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nThe first Catalan separatist."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\n>was your typical example of a just and smart king who isn't interested in war\n>got killed by Clovis\nLe virgin vs le chad, so much historical precedent it’s uncanny"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey are the only reason why some Iberians look white"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nMongolian*"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the cultural and idiosyncratic differences between pre- and post-war Japan?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBefore they used to hate whites\nAfterwards they love them"}, {"id": 3, "content": "is that a heckin foxschoolgirl AWOOGA"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPre-war Japan tried subjugating whites militarily and failed while post-war Japan successfully subjugated whites culturally through anime and manga."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nFag"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Before they used to hate whites\nNope. Exact opposite, actually. Japanese women have always loved BWC."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This empire is a progenitor state to both Greeks and Romanians yet it has been forgotten in both those countries in favour of neoclassical larps.\nWhy is that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould you really want to LARP as the rump state of a fallen empire that continuously lost territory to invaders?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbc neoclassical shit isn’t christkike shit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">ancient greece\n>invent the west\n>medieval greece\n>invent the fork"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow would Romanians even do a neoclassical larp? They have nothing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it serves no utility to LARP as the Roman Empire in the year 1920 or something. It can only alienate nationalists, who make up the bulk of your supporters.\nNationalists might or might not like the Byzantines. What unites them is their love of Greece/Romania, not the Byzantines."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it was a total fucking shitshow and demonstrated once and for all that Greeks were unsuited and incapable of empire. Point blank. They had every square inch of land lusted after by Greeks during Alexander's time, during the Classical era. All of Asia Minor, all of Greece and parts of Italy.\n\nAnd they were calling themselves a foreign name, and never fought like the old Greeks and old nations of old did, with every able bodied man trained and armed. All they did was throw money around and get their shit kicked in by half the mercenaries they hired. Its like the fall of the West, but shittier and sadder. They barely even had any civil wars in comparison, it was entirely due the shitass nobles and the shitass population who couldn't be fucking bothered to raise armies from their internal population to defend the empire. It was a lazy whore of an empire that acted all high and mighty until one of her bodyguards raped her and pimped her out.\n\nHad the Byzantines revived old Greek Culture and forced everyone city to have a standing army that could have part of it called upon during times of war, Byzantium would still be here today.\n\nBut what little they didn't piss away burning down Germanic Kingdoms they pissed away in shitty wars with Persia."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTHE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE ACTUAL POLITICAL STATES THAT DERIVE FROM THE FORMER HELLENOBYZANTINE EMPIRE PROMOTE A CLASSICISTIC NATIONAL NARRATIVE FOR THE SAME PURPOSE THAT THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE ACTUAL POLITICAL STATES THAT AROSE AFTER THE DISINTEGRATION OF THE CATHOLICAL EMPIRE OF THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY PROMOTE INDIGENISTIC NATIONAL NARRATIVES: TO KEEP THEIR RESPECTIVE MYTHS OF NATIONAL EXCEPTIONALISM ALIVE, THEREBY KEEPING THE INSTITUTION OF THE NATIONAL POLITICAL STATE FUNCTIONAL.\n\nIF THE POLITICAL NARRATIVE WERE IMPERIAL, THE IDEA OF A NATION, AND THE NATIONSTATE ITSELF, WOULD BECOME INCONGRUENT."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n\n\n«THE WEST»/«WESTERN CIVILIZATION», AND «WESTERN CULTURE», ARE IDEAS INVENTED BY GERMANIC ILLUSTRISTS IN THE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY, EXTRAPOLATED FROM MARTIN LUTHER'S MISTRANSLATION OF «APO ANATOLOUN», IN THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW, AS «FROM THE ORIENT», INSTEAD OF «FROM THE DAWN» (ID EST: FROM THE EAST/FROM EASTWARD)."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you sure about that?\nThey're both still Orthodox Christian"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n/Thread"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPic unrelated I guess, since you're talking about the ottoman empire."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>romanians\njust because these people speak a latin language doesn't make them roman"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nGreek call their nation as Romania."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe Latin-speaking inhabitants of the Balkans were never descended from Romans (just look at Justinian's lineage), maybe just the Dalmatians near the coast."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFunny that their biggest fans were the Slavs. Had the West let Russia had its way, there would be a greek king in Constantinople right now."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomanians don't LARP very much as Romans anymore, that was a 19th Century thing when they realized they spoke a romance language and were trying to ape France. They mostly LARP as Dacians and consider the Romans to be imperialist invaders. Also some believe the Romans were originally Dacians and that Dacians were the real Romans."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nare nigerians english because they speak english"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNo."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>some believe the Romans were originally Dacians and that Dacians were the real Romans\nLiterally how"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThey think that Dacians colonized/founded Rome and that the Dacian language was the ancestor of the Latin language and that they were mutually intelligible. It's so that they can say that the Romanians are indigenous to Romania/Transylvania and that their language didnt come from Roman colonists so they can dab on the Hungarian claim to Transylvania. Some proponents also say that Trajan was quoted as saying he was \"going home\" when he was conquering Dacia or something like that as evidence."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nThe Dacian theory is a neoclassicist LARP. Romanians come from Byzantine lands South of the Danube."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is not accurate to say that the Byzantine Empire has been completely forgotten in Greece or Romania. In both countries, there is a strong awareness of the Byzantine heritage and its impact on their culture, history, and identity. However, the degree of emphasis placed on the Byzantine period varies depending on a number of factors, including political and ideological agendas, historical trends, and cultural preferences.\n\nOne possible explanation for the relative lack of emphasis on the Byzantine Empire in modern Greece and Romania is the fact that both countries have undergone significant political and cultural transformations in the modern era. Greece, for example, emerged from centuries of Ottoman rule in the 19th century and sought to establish a new national identity rooted in classical Greek culture and language. This emphasis on the classical period, combined with political and cultural factors such as the influence of Western Europe and the rise of nationalism, may have contributed to a de-emphasis of the Byzantine period in Greek historical consciousness.\n\nSimilarly, Romania underwent significant political and cultural transformations in the 20th century, including a period of communist rule that emphasized socialist and internationalist values over national and historical identity. In the post-communist era, there has been a renewed interest in Romanian history and culture, including the Byzantine period, but this interest has been shaped by a variety of factors such as religious identity, cultural heritage, and geopolitical considerations.\n\nIt is worth noting, however, that there are also many individuals and groups in both Greece and Romania who actively study and promote awareness of the Byzantine period and its legacy. While the Byzantine Empire may not receive the same level of attention as other periods or cultural influences, it remains an important part of the historical and cultural heritage of both countries."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreeks couldn't LARP as the Byzantines because\n1. Turkey exists\n2. Russia exists"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nThere are at least 3 competing theories on the origin of Romanians. The issue hasn't been and will likely never be settled."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>7\n>every able bodied man goes to war\nGreece was not Republican Central Italy. The amount of men mobilised in Greek cities was pathetically small compared to the Central Italian peoples and communities. While over 20% of the population of Central Italy was actively engaged in warfare during the Republic at all times Greek states couldn’t even reach over 5% in their most dire situations"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso, Romanians do value the Byzantine contribution to their culture, as seen in things like Byzantium after Byzantium by Nicolae Iorga. They really value Byzantine relics in their monasteries, which they see as particularly prestigious. They do tend to de-emphasize anything Greek because of the Phanariote period's association with orientalism and backwardness."}, {"id": 28, "content": "Main reason is British influence and intellectuals of independent Greece liked larping as pagans rather than what their people still called themselves, Rhomaioi"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Because the ultimate fate of the byzantine system is slavery under a turkic sultan, while the medieval ius commune western system created multiple global superpowers in succession."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>progenitor state to Romanians\n>barely touches Romania\nhmm"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndeclining theocratic despocy. nothing to be proud of."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nDecline/stagnation is a meme."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nt. György"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\nIt is larp but Romanians come from Latinized Dacians and roman colonists."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>latinized dacians\nare nigerians that speak the english language also english\ndo nigerians get to claim anglo history\n\ngenuinely i can't see why they wouldn't be able too if romanians are allowed to larp as roman"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nOkay so are Romanians latinized Dacians from north of the Danube or latinized Thracians from south of the Danube?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>we wuz latinized n shiet\nthey latinized themselves in the 18th century\nbefore that there was notihng latin or roman about these people other than some mutt pidgin language that wasn't even official in any capacity so there are no medieval texts of it\nromanians have no medieval history other than being vassals of bulgaria, wtf is this dacian roman larp even come from"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nby this logic most major political figures during the empire period were not roman"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>5\nhttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Protochronism"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nYou should spread this thought around on Nairaland."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nAre you retarded? The first texts in the Romanian language are from the 16th Century. And it is a pidgin language of what exactly?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nlanguages don't spontaneously invent themselves in a century"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m just wondering, what’s the historical context of Muzcucks hating Europeans? Pic related is a quote relating to racism in the Quran yet Muslims constantly say stuff like, “White Kaffir Dog, your country will be Muslim soon, infidel dog, we will fuck your women.” And they always call Europeans “Snow monkeys,” and harass Europeans despite what the Quran says about all races being the same. So why is that? Why the racism towards Europeans? I thought Islam was against racism and thought everyone was equal."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think they really hate Europeans any more than other non-Muslims. I think you just see the hostility to Europeans because you, yourself, are European.\nAdditionally, I don't think they have any hostility at all to White Muslims and in fact even like them quite a lot. Lots of Al-Qaeda fighters bloodied their noses in Bosnia, well before the war on terror. So I don't think they have any racism at all towards Europeans.\nIf anything, I think they are racist in favor of Europeans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you think? Christians also have the same thing in their Bible but that doesn't stop Christians from being ultra racist all the time."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">And they always call Europeans “Snow monkeys,”\nwhat is this retard talking about?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou must love george carlin\n>>>/reddit/"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nPic related. For some reason many muslims have hostility towards Europeans, calling them pigs, swines, white devil, pasty asses, etc. Don’t know where all this pent up rage comes from. I’ve seen muslims yell at Europeans calling them all kinds of racial slurs, white kaffir dogs, white monkeys, etc. I thought Islam was anti racism and equal to all races, guess I was wrong."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>>5\nYeah but I’m talking about Islam not Christcucks. Islam has nothing to do with christianity, they’re completely different. Isn’t christcuckery a corrupted version of the holy book? So why bring it up? I’m asking why Muslims are racist towards Europeans if the Quran says to be fair to all races? Also I am pro Palestine and fuck kikes, but am Athiest fyi"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nHahahhahaha fuck you bastard I hate that son of a bitch and I’m glad he’s dead, he was always an annoying little bitch"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nthat troll account revved the shit out of autistic OP huh"}, {"id": 10, "content": "If you don’t care then why are you writing a novel on 4chan bitching about it? He knows what’s in your heart."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nSorry, I was talking about actual Muslims in actual Muslim countries - not le liberal Western hijabi on Twitter. My mistake.\nYes, they hate white people - as do most young liberals. It is what it is. The reason for this has to do with liberal notions of neo-colonialism and opaque racial biases, nothing to do with Islam."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nI didn’t know it was a troll account. If it is, then I didn’t know. But you get my point either way, there’s many muslim people that unironically think that way.\n>>10\nI did not clarify correctly did I? I’m saying I don’t care religiously about semitic religions, but was wondering why Muslims hate Europeans.\n>>11\nSo you are saying that it only applies to Liberal Muslims? Well I don’t know what muslim country would count as liberal and which would count as “true muslim” as you put it. I just see it as “muslim.” But that’s weird as fuck though, because if liberal muslims hate europeans DESPITE the Quran saying to treat all races equally, then that just shows that muslims are hypocrites who don’t follow their book. Liberal and conservative aside, I’d have thought that a religion who supposed to follow the Quran’s teachings as God’s word would obey them and treat others equally, but instead they are racist"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>o you are saying that it only applies to Liberal Muslims? Well I don’t know what muslim country would count as liberal and which would count as “true muslim” as you put it. I just see it as “muslim.” But that’s weird as fuck though, because if liberal muslims hate europeans DESPITE the Quran saying to treat all races equally, then that just shows that muslims are hypocrites who don’t follow their book. Liberal and conservative aside, I’d have thought that a religion who supposed to follow the Quran’s teachings as God’s word would obey them and treat others equally, but instead they are racist\nAs I said previously, generally they don't hate Europeans for their race. They don't think Europeans are literally dumber than them or something, and therefore worthy of being punished.\nThis woman you cited makes it quite clear that she is very pissed about \"racism\" and \"colonialism\". I'm sure her TikTok told her all about those things and I disagree with her. The reason why I feel justified in divorcing \"liberal Western hijabi\" from \"true Muslim\" is because her prejudice has absolutely nothing to do with Islam."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Those racist Muslims you encountered are probably uppity Arabs who believe that Islam is Arabic supermacism and they are entitled to better treatment than others. Convert muslims from shitholes India and Pakistan will hate you more for being non-muslim than being white though racism is a universal trait."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nLiberal Muslims in Muslim countries love the west and want their countries to become as much as western countries as possible, it's just the ones who live among us who hate us."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Atheist here, I don’t care about your shitty desert cults"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYeah I was trying to be edgy by saying that, so pic related would relate to me I guess. But I can bring up tons of pics of dysgenic looking muslims if I wanted to. So looks like I’ve gotten the answer I wanted. Thanks guys"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour ideology is so easy to dismantle that it worth almost no effort. Arguing with jews and christian is far more harder and require knowledge."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammed didn't exist and all sayings attributed to him where written two centuries later."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were the soviets so cruel towards minorities?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMinorities shouldn’t exist in democracy, fascism or communism\nTime for a new position, on your knees"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">you realise soviet cruelty towards minorities is just normal caucasian ethnic strife except georgians are in charge of the largest country on earth"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Were they? Chuds say they treated the Russians the worst"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>people only talk about russians\nWhat about the holodomor?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThis is a common russian trope about how only the rsfsr worked while all the other republics leeched of russia.\nwell when the ussr fell apart and all the republics went their own way russians again started seething that all those ungrateful leeches abandoned them\nthis is some incomprehensible rusnya psychology, no point in trying to understand it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor the same reason that virtually every government is cruel to minorities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWell, some republics did alright after the union fell (baltics) and some did degenerate into complete shitholes (Uzbekistan, the Ukraine or Tajikistan). So there is evidence pointing in that direction."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWeird that the Baltoids and Moldova got acquired at the same time, and in the current year Moldova is the worst country in Europe while the Baltoids are doing pretty ok for themselves"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Uzbekistan, Tajikistan\nCentral Asia was doomed from the start"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hey comrade, sharing is caring gibs me da-ACKKKKK"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Coastliners near Sweden and Germany do better than landlocked province sandwiched between Romania and the Ukraine\nI dont like the expression basic economics, but this is basic economics."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Are there any good books on ethnic people in Imperial Russia/Soviet Union?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nYou will never have a real ethnostate"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIm jewish sweety, we kill brown people like you all the time in my ethnostate"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_No._00439\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Operation_of_the_NKVD\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Operation_of_the_NKVD\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Koreans_in_the_Soviet_Union\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_of_Chinese_people#Deportation_during_1936-38\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_Operation_of_the_NKVD\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Operation_of_the_NKVD\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_deportation\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportations_of_the_Ingrian_Finns\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Balkars\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Kalmyks\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Karachays\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Meskhetian_Turks\nWhy were the Soviets so fucking bloodthirsty?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nnice falseflag but israel isn't an ethnostate, even disregarding the different flavours of jew 20% of israel (without palestine) is arab"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\narabs hold only 3% of seats in knesset"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>nooo my based jewish masters would never do this\nas you were writing this cope based idf just headshotted another sandnigger child, kek"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Kartvelian Chvd."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nMinorities are an essential part of any society for several reasons. Firstly, they bring diversity to a society, which leads to a rich cultural and social fabric. Through their unique traditions, beliefs, and practices, minorities contribute to the richness of a society's culture and offer a different perspective that can enrich the broader community. This diversity can also lead to greater innovation and creativity as people from different backgrounds come together to share their ideas and collaborate.\n\nSecondly, minorities often face unique challenges and experiences that can help society address broader issues such as discrimination and inequality. By highlighting their struggles and advocating for their rights, minorities can help create a more equitable and just society for all.\n\nThirdly, protecting the rights of minorities is crucial for maintaining a healthy democracy. In a democracy, it is important to ensure that all voices are heard, including those of minorities. By protecting the rights of minorities, we ensure that they have an equal say in decision-making processes and that their views are considered alongside those of the majority.\n\nIn short, minorities are an essential part of society because they bring diversity, offer unique perspectives, and contribute to a more just and equitable society"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nZog has corrupted AI, its over"}, {"id": 23, "content": "it was like all small ethnic groups near the front lines during world war 2 who got deported.\nWas fucked that it happened, was caused by wartime paranoia and leadership coming to see them as a security risk."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nBaltoids got free money from the west"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n20% of the population with 0% of the power"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>In short, minorities are an essential part of society because they bring diversity\nminorities are essential because uh theyre minorities\nwe'd still be serfs if it werent for black folx"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nyou mean a pali? not the same thing"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\nEngels says \"minorities bad because they are minorities\" Minorities will cease to exist after glorious revolution because minorities are inherently reactionary.\n\n>There is no country in Europe which does not have in some corner or other one or several ruined fragments of peoples, the remnant of a former population that was suppressed and held in bondage by the nation which later became the main vehicle of historical development. These relics of a nation mercilessly trampled under foot in the course of history, as Hegel says, these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character, just as their whole existence in general is itself a protest against a great historical revolution.\n>Such, in Scotland, are the Gaels, the supporters of the Stuarts from 1640 to 1745.\n>Such, in France, are the Bretons, the supporters of the Bourbons from 1792 to 1800.\n>Such, in Spain, are the Basques, the supporters of Don Carlos.\n>Such, in Austria, are the pan-Slavist Southern Slavs, who are nothing but the residual fragment of peoples, resulting from an extremely confused thousand years of development. That this residual fragment, which is likewise extremely confused, sees its salvation only in a reversal of the whole European movement, which in its view ought to go not from west to east, but from east to west, and that for it the instrument of liberation and the bond of unity is the Russian knout that is the most natural thing in the world\n>Already before 1848, therefore, the Southern Slavs had clearly shown their reactionary character. The year 1848 brought it fully into the light of day\n>The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward\nhttps://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/01/13.htm"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\n>Chuds say they treated the Russians the worst\nNo Russians say they treated Chuds the worst.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chud\n>The border lake between Estonia and Russia is still called Chudskoye (Chud Lake) in Russian.\nIngria is on the Russian side of the lake of the chuds\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_the_Ingrian_Finns\n> Russian legislation in the 1990s refers to it as genocide."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>16\n>The Koreans are a risk for Japanese espionage!\n>t. Soviet defector to Japan"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>21\nLiterally the most jewish post ever."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>>22\n>>26\n\nMinorities are a undeniable fact of any state given the ease of transportation and communication. Including the complex of nation states being built upon lands that include different ethnic groups.\n\nIf humanity wants to lead into a stable, intelligent and free society not overthrown by AI in the future, I suggest we find common brotherhood.\n\nThat we invest into easily accessible healthcare and education.\n\nWhile I understand the content you consume highlights trouble caused by minorities please keep in the mind the neglect of those in power to adquetly take care of minorities and the existing systems that causes such issues. Typically it is SOCIO-ECONOMIC. Something we can all agree is on is that inefficient government spending and cooperate overreach is very dangerous. As well as poor health leading to poor mental health and behavior.\n\nIf we do not figure out how to act rationally and disregard our EMOTIONAL biases, ai wil eventually overcome humanity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Romanians have Vlad the Impaler as their chief national hero ahead of Michael the Brave when Michael was the better military leader, ruler, and was just all around more virtuous and admirable?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause impaling turds will never not be funny"}, {"id": 3, "content": "he is more well known internationally"}, {"id": 4, "content": "vampires are cool\n>Gigachad.jpg"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nHe impaled more Whitoids than Turks though"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't. Michael represents the highest ideal of national unity and their highest state Order is named after him, not Vlad. Michael and Stephen the Great are their top heroes. Vlad is for foreign consumption, and also as a symbol for though but fair rule against corruption."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is because of the Popularity of the Novel \"Dracula\" by Bram Stoker. As well as for the common interested of the macabre between peoples.\n\nHis cruelty/mass impalement and unusual appearance is also very memorable. As well as being a symbol of resistance against the Ottomans."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe impaled saxons and killing germs is only metric by which you can value a leader"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Let me jog your memory\nIn a church they called the Waco compound\nBack in April '93\nSeventeen Little Children\nAll so helpless and so small\nDied a senseless death of gas and flames\nHow many names can you recall?\n\nSeventeen Little Children\nDon't it make you wonder why?\nSeventeen Little Children\nHow could they deserve to die?\nMaybe we should stop and ask ourselves\nHave we become so blind\nWill Seventeen Little Children\nFinally open up your mind?\n\nHow did you sleep last night Bill Clinton?\nTell me did you feel their pain?\nAs Seventeen Little Children\nCried out and perished in the flames!\nAttorney General Janet Reno\nI accept your offer to resign\nHow can you stand for law and order now\nWhen you won't answer to your crimes?\n\nSeventeen Little Children\nAll so helpless and so small\nSeventeen Little Children\nHow many names can you recall?\nMaybe we should stop and ask ourselves\nHave we become so blind?\nWill Seventeen Little Children\nFinally open up your mind?\n\nI've heard it said \"The Branch Davidians\"\nOnly got what they deserved\nYet no one seems to know\nWhat laws were broken\nWhat was in the warrant\nThey never served?\nYesterday I sold my TV set\nStopped my subscription to the Times\nTo me it's plain to see the media\nWas an accomplice to these crimes!\n\nSeventeen Little Children\nDon't it make you wonder why?\nSeventeen Little Children\nHow did they deserve to die?\nMaybe we should stop and ask ourselves\nHave we become so blind?\nWill Seventeen Little Children\nFinally open up your mind?\n\nOpen up your mind!\n\nhttps://archive.org/details/CarlKlang-Extremist1999/Carl+Klang+-+09+-+Seventeen+Little+Children.mp3"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Where were you\nWhen they built the ladder to Heaven?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I had this song stuck in my head for a week after the first time I heard it.\n\nFuck you OP."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJanet Reno, the cold hearted dyke, oversaw that massacre. I watched it unfold in live television. A puff of smoke, flames, a raging inferno, all the while wondering why no fire trucks went forth. Also that gook that murdered Randy Weavers wife was present at Waco also."}, {"id": 5, "content": "It was 28 children that were murdered by the feds at Waco."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Minnesota, a Northern state populated heavily by Lutheran German and Scandinavian immigrants who brought a strong liberal political culture with them, was not a state normally associated with the epidemic of lynch mob justice that plagued the South for decades. In fact there are only 21 lynchings recorded in Minnesota for the period 1880 to 1940, with most of the victims being white along with a few Native Americans.\n\nWWI and its aftermath had brought considerable tensions in America and Minnesota was not immune. In September 1918, a Finnish immigrant named Olli Kinkkonen was lynched in Duluth for dodging the draft, although police claimed his death was a suicide. Duluth, an industrial town, was home to 100,000 souls according to the 1920 US Census and like most Rust Belt cities, it had a large amount of European immigrants, up to 1/3rd the entire population. The black population of the city was just under 500 persons in 1920, and quite a few were employed by US Steel.\n\nOn June 14, 1920, a traveling circus was in town for a parade and one night performance. An 18 year old white man named James Sullivan and his 19 year old girlfriend Irene Tusken, were among those in attendance at the circus. They watched the black workers take down the equipment in the tent in preparation to get it moving to the next town. At some point, an altercation of unclear circumstances happened between Tusken and Sullivan and the workers, and later that evening the latter told his parents the black workers assaulted them and Tusken was gang-raped by up to 6 of them.\n\nAfter Sullivan's parents contacted police, they rounded up potential suspects and asked them to identify their attackers. Six men were taken into custody."}, {"id": 2, "content": "A doctor examined Irene Tusken and found no evidence of rape, but local newspapers widely reported the brutal assault of a white teenager by black circus workers and even claimed Tusken was in critical condition and might die. On the evening of June 15, a mob of possibly as many as 10k men arrived at the city jail and demanded the six black suspects being held. William Murnian, the city commissioner of public safety, ordered police to stand down and not try to confront the mob. They stormed the jail and seized three suspects, Elias Clayton, Elmer Jackson, and Isaac McGhie, after being unable to get at the other three being held.\n\nAfter a local hardware store owner offered the mob a free length of rope to perform the lynching with, they took the suspects outside, held a mock \"trial\" to charge them with raping Irene Tusken, beat them to a pulp, and hanged them from a lamppost. A local Catholic priest named William Powers pleaded with the mob for mercy to no avail. After Clayton, Jackson, and McGhie were dead, they posed the bodies for a photograph.\n\nA lynching outside the South was a noteworthy event and it provoked considerable outrage and condemnation across the country, however in the end no one was charged in the deaths of Clayton, Jackson, or McGhie. Three men were convicted for rioting and served two years in prison. The three black suspects who had escaped the lynch mob were tried for the rape of Irene Tusken despite a complete lack of evidence to convict them. The NAACP provided a legal team for their defense; two of the suspects were acquitted while a third received four years in prison.\n\nThe State of Minnesota passed a bill criminalizing lynchings the following year and none occurred in the state again. In 2003, Duluth erected a memorial to Minnesota's only black lynching victims."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nNo one will ever care about melanin-enriched criminals being lynched like 100 years ago, LBJfag."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell you said it yourself…most folks lynched in Minnesota were white…and by far, yet here you are moping and guilt tripping about a few blacks that were lynched…and of course as per usual the implication is that they were purely innocent. Noted that you lot never cry over the thousands of whites that were lynched around this nation."}, {"id": 5, "content": "How is posting about something crying about it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthere weren't thousands of whites lynched, dude. not even close. at least 70% of lynching victims were black with smaller percentages of whites, Native Americans, Mexicans, and Chinese."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are Asians the new white people?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKind of. East Asians are certainly superior intellectually, but it's not clear that South/SEAsians are - at least not to me. To that end, there simply aren't enough East Asians to really replace us."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nasians have the big brains, blacks the big cocks\n\nyt has nothing"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Asians (East Asians anyways) will disappear through their women’s obsession with interracial relationships. I think it’s around 40% of EA women who date out? and that stat is from years ago. They’ll be replaced by dumber, racially insecure hapas. It’s the Indians you should keep an eye on."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">be asian\n>get beast by tiger mom so take test real good\n>have no social skills\n\n\n>be white\n>discover or invent something that saves the world\n>win nobel prize"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nwe wuz ooga booga muh dick"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nExcept for inventing everything that matters."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Asians are predominantly democrat voters and regularly engage in nepotistic behavior among their own race regarding employment, housing, schools, etc...\n\nThey generally have no loyalty to the country if they are fobs and those younger Americanized generations just become cookie cutter suburbanite types that believe Black Lives Matter.\n>>2\n>East Asians are certainly superior intellectually\nNo they aren't. They were given a blank cheque by the US government during occupation to build up their country. Every single advancement made under the Japanese is first dibs for the US ever since this arrangement was made 80 years ago. Le high iq model minority bullshit is a myth propagated by boomer stereotypes about \"orientals\"."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>t. microcock"}, {"id": 10, "content": "This is not a good post."}, {"id": 11, "content": "How? Obviously only white people are, or can be, white.\n\nAre pears the new tomatoes? Is Cheddar the new Roquefort?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>Le high iq model minority bullshit is a myth propagated by boomer stereotypes about \"orientals\".\nThank you for telling the truth about Asians. We only see the best of the best immigrate here. 70% of asians are literal niggers living in poverty.\n\nWhites propagate Asians to dunk on blacks and shake them for not being successful despite being cockblocked at every opportunity."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI lived in California, Washington, and a few cities in New Jersey as a college student. The Hmong, Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, and flips were all living like fucking Mexicans. Walking around in cargo shorts full of meth to sell, squatting around a fucking public park near kids and smoking imported cigarettes. They are constantly busted by DEA in rural California for renting a warehouse or property and then immediately turning it into an illegal grow operation or full on meth lab.\nRunning sweatshops in apartment buildings and preying on each other's general lack of formal education or knowledge of the country. They rent only to other chinks, they sell at face value only to other chinks, and they refuse to work with anyone except other chinks.\n\nAll of this, and they still hop on the race bandwagon about how white people are le bad and they wuz oppressed on da railroads. Posters here who pine for more Asians are fucking deluded coomers who need to stop watching JAV.\n>East Asians\nThere aren't even any fucking Japanese left in their historic neighborhoods around LA. They're like in the half a million range. I don't know which Japanese the other posters ITT are talking about, but they must not be American."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nThe model minority are actually Nigerians."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHoly Igbo cope…lemme guess they’re all light skin too?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nhttps://medium.com/@joecarleton/why-nigerian-immigrants-are-the-most-successful-ethnic-group-in-the-u-s-23a7ea5a0832"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>low birthrate\n>homosexual\n>weak\n>cowardly\n>women go after brown and black men\nIt seems to be the case."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Asian IQ estimates are based off their university students who steal all their papers off the internet because they don't have a culture that frowns on plagiarism, cheating is also super common there to the point that their Japan's/Korea's actual IQ is probably in the high 90's while China's is in the 80's"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWow a medium article has totally convinced me. You guys are so above Asians now, thanks oluwalightskin"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Yeah, this looks like another win for the Han."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe are better."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>Asian IQ estimates are based off their university students who steal all their papers off the internet because they don't have a culture that frowns on plagiarism\nLol boy doesn't know what Publish or Perish is or that there's a replication crisis going on."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\n>become cookie cutter suburbanite types that believe Black Lives Matter.\nNot like whites Americans care about them lol."}, {"id": 24, "content": "are blasians the ideal min-maxxed race?\n\n>hybrid vigor\nintellectual capabilities of an asian + physical fitness of a black. f1 generation would be the most fit, but phenotypically afterwards i assume fitness of the population would decline, like breeding lineages of dogs."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Asians are the new whites\nNon-Asian minorities have been saying this for a while."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>durr hurr durr hurr\nAsians don't care about plagiarism so why would they care about that?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nKek go to the bay and go work that one out for yourself. Most blasians are on the skinny side and tend to date whites like most of the asians in the bay. Dating white is the only asian trait they have"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nYou impression of academic is hilariously deluded. Honestly it shows how sheltered you are."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nAsians don't have to write papers because it's not expected of them, the best they can ever hope for is a part time job giving lectures"}, {"id": 30, "content": "If somebody non-White surpasses Whites in a measure, this measure is bad. Simple as."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlways love the delusion in threads talking about Asian or Jewish IQ.\n>>12\nHave you been to a public school? The Asians there are middle class or lower like everyone else. I've never once seen a white kid behind the counter doing homework at his family's corner restaurant either."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThat sounds like a cope."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're the new jews. But instead of few millions, its few billions.\n\n\nhttps://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2022/10/31/discrimination-affirmative-action-jewish-quota-asian-americans/stories/202210310002"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nHuh? What even is your argument. You can look it up, there's basically no demand for asian researchers. Graduates are required to have proficient knowledge of basically every type of science including humanities and social sciences while also being excellent in their selected field. There's no study involved as their jobs revolve around monotonous tasks, they're never expected to brainstorm. Getting a job even as a teacher is compeltely bound to who you sucked off to \"work\" in \"a big lab\" scrubbing petri dishes.\n\nNothing in asian society requires you to do anything original, just monotonous drone work, and that's why their inflated IQ is so readily accepted because people automatically assume this high volume of laboratory drones are actually more intelligent than they are. Because I mean, he went to a prestigious Tokyo university, copied all his schoolwork from the internet and now scrubs petri dishes, he must be genius IQ"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>4\nYou do realize there are more chinks in China than all \"white\" people on Earth combined."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\nYou’re making a mistake if you side with them over us.\n\nAsians are more cruel than whites. They won’t treat you as good."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>Negative consequences of the academic culture promoted by publish-or-perish have been reported by researchers in Sweden [20], Australia and Canada [21], the US [22] and the UK [23]. For example, Alvesson & Sandberg [20] (p. 182) observe a “serious shortage” of imaginative and innovative research in management studies despite a sharp increase of academic publications in the field. Similarly, Adler & Harzing [21] (p. 3) believe that the academic assessment system based on quantitative measurement has pushed researchers away from “genuinely fostering” original knowledge. Another adverse effect of pressure to publish, as identified by Bouchikhi & Kimberly [22], is a growing homogeneity in research, in which researchers tend to report research results in line with dominant paradigms, so as to maximize the acceptance rate of papers (see also [23]). In worst-case situations it is also found that researchers may fabricate data to get their articles published [24]. This observation is supported by Lawrence [25] (p. 10) who declares that the over-emphasised significance of publication “usually reduces the objectivity… of the arguments”, and, eventually, “damage[s] the practice of science”.\n\n>More critical reflection is stimulated by reports of recent retractions of Chinese papers (e.g., [28,29]), due to “fabrication, falsification, plagiarism and unattributed ghost-writing” [30]. The Economist [31] argues that China’s “flawed” research assessment system, over-stressing the number of publications, is responsible for its increasing research misconduct. Similarly, in a recent forum on “safeguarding research integrity in China”, hosted by the Chinese National Science Review, Poo, the chair, said that internationally indexed articles, particularly those with high impact factors, could bring about “instantaneous recognition and honour” and, therefore, encourage Chinese scientists “… to take risks and publish fraudulent papers”"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "TEAR. UP. THIS. ASS."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhell yeah dude"}, {"id": 3, "content": "he was a massive liberal"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead this in the hl1 grunt voice"}, {"id": 5, "content": "reagan hit the griddy?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Not this fucking Anon"}, {"id": 7, "content": "ive met a lot of conservatives who say Bush was a RINO but still celebrate Reagan. Is it just because he's seen as a \"wartime\" president in the sense that he btfo the soviets?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1aKYs82CGo [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat’s leftism in a nutshell. You have to build a wall with machine guns and barbed wire to keep people from leaving your workers “paradise”."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nReagan essentially created the modern conservative brand. He was the first president to win off of a coalition of southerners resentful of civil rights, lasse-faire capitalists, and evangelical voters, who first emerged as an organized political movement around the same time.\n\nBush is only seen poorly because of how horribly the War on Terror went and the financial collapse. He can only seriously be called a RINO because the overton window is steadily shifting right for the conservative voting block, and unlike Reagan, he is both alive and did not oversee a period of relative prosperity, political unity, and the fall from grace of geopolitical enemies."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>assuming Bush Jr."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNo I meant Jeb!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWell Sr. is a lot easier to explain:\nREAD MY LIPS"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>created\nfiscal frugality has been promoted forever, the collapse of the whig party was because of the question of deficit spending with John Tyler leaving the whig party during his presidency because of how stupid congressional whigs wanted to be with money. This era was forgotten because the gilded age was more about land grants that deficit spending (because whigs left their states with tens of millions in debt from deficit spending). It wasn't until the creation of the federal reserve that full blown federal deficit spending became federal policy again, which of course ebbed with the resurgence of conservatives like reagan"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nok, two things:\n1. That's just one part of the coalition I'm referring to\n2. Reagan and the conservative movement are not actually \"fiscally conservative\". Yes, they promote cutting social programs like welfare, but they actually increase the deficit because that's about all they want to cut, and cutting the social programs that spend the most money (SS and Medicare) would be incredibly unpopular. They are for less government regulation and corporate taxes, not a more balanced budget. The deficit increased under Reagan, Bush Jr., and Trump. Bush Jr. actually got rid of a budget surplus with his tax cuts for the wealthy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nRegan raised the deficit because he cut taxes and regulations that were created by democrats to paralyze the economy so that industry competitors for their corporate lobbyists couldn't afford to operate, which lead to the 90's boom"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou can justify your deficit spending all you want, but it is not \"fiscal frugality\", at least in any way that would relate to the Whig party. The idea that the government can energize the economy by spending more money than is coming in is Keynesian."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>I win semantically but concede the argument\nwow you're like 85 IQ"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNot really, like I said, they are pro-deregulation and lower taxes, but that does not make them fiscally frugal. They're still for huge government spending programs not tied to the government's income."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSemantics\n85 IQ monkey"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did 1911 revolution fail in China?\n\nYes it did remove the Qing dynasty from the power, but the country devolved into an even worse state for the next 30 years: from warlordism and chaos to eventually a civil war with Japanese invasion on top of that."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Sun Yat-sen went in all ideals and forgot revolutions are won by cunts with guns."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt ultimately failed to achieve its goals of establishing a stable, democratic government in China. There were several factors that contributed to the failure of the 1911 revolution:\n\n1. Lack of unity and leadership: The revolution was not well-organized, and there was a lack of strong leadership among the various revolutionary factions. The revolutionaries had different ideas about what kind of government should replace the Qing dynasty, and this lack of unity made it difficult to establish a stable government.\n\n2. Opposition from the Qing dynasty: The Qing dynasty initially resisted the revolution, and although they were eventually overthrown, their opposition weakened the revolutionaries and made it more difficult for them to establish a stable government.\n\n3. Foreign interference: Foreign powers, particularly Japan and the Western powers, were heavily involved in China at the time and exerted significant influence over the course of the revolution. This interference undermined the authority of the revolutionary government and made it more difficult to establish a stable government.\n\n4. Economic instability: China was experiencing significant economic instability at the time, and this instability made it difficult for the revolutionary government to establish a stable economic system.\n\n5. Cultural and social divisions: China was a diverse country with many different cultures and social groups, and these divisions made it difficult to establish a unified government that could effectively govern the entire country.\n\nOverall, the 1911 revolution failed to achieve its goals because of a combination of internal divisions, opposition from the Qing dynasty, foreign interference, economic instability, and cultural and social divisions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn short because China was a meme at the time and did not really exist. The greater East Asian mainland has been separate countries for as long or longer than it has ever been unified under one empire, and even when unified it was under a non-national imperial identity where everyone still considered themselves different peoples from one another who spoke different languages, had different religious traditions, and different histories. Of course a bunch of guys in 1911 had no hope of making a Westphalian style nation-state out of it.vIt wasn't until the CCP with the slate wiped clean by decades of anarchy and civil war and the tools of modern technology, that they were able hammer most, but not all, of the former Qing's empire into a Mandarin shaped hole. \"China\" and \"Chinese\" as actual real things and not Western exonyms are only about 80 years old."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>\"China\" and \"Chinese\" as actual real things and not Western exonyms are only about 80 years old.\nYour brain on propaganda."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSausage-like light skinned fingers typed this post"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Bro Imma start a revolution for democracy n shit.\n>Oh no we're not good at war!\n>Wait the Qing Army isn't fond of protecting their bosses either.\n>What if we bribe the Qing Field Marshall Yuan Shikai with the presidency and give his other generals government posts?\n*they establish a military dictatorship like a boss*\n>WAAAAH WHY IS MY DEMOCRACY A FAILURE"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI heard one reason is that the 1911 revolution was basically a military coup, and the guys who pulled that off engaged with what we now call \"civil society\" at the level that military officers are, generally, comfortable with (not much) which contributed to the weakness of the post-revolution state. The CCP for its various disasters did engage in a ground-up state-building project which is a big reason they won out, and while the promise of a military-heavy structure is stability and protection from foreign invaders, they failed to provide that."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>>6\n>Believes national identities just spring fully formed from the ground in antiquity.\nThere isn't a single national identity (in the modern sense) older than the 1700's, China included."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI don't know what chang over there was getting at but your post was about China as defined and perceived by the developed world. We know it had a rich history before Mao and his stooges destroyed it all, so yes there was a China before its current meme state. If you think the current meme state is the only China then you have fallen for propaganda.\n\nalso china eat dog"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQing loyalist paramilitaries try restore in 1917…."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nOf course there was a China, and even a vague idea of \"Chinese\" person. But it wasn't a Westphalian Style Nation-State or national identity. That didn't happen till Communism. Much like how France didn't become a true nation-state till the French Revolution. Nation-States being some inherent, eternal, and inevitable state of nature is a lie invented by 18th century European Romantics. But it's seductive and a winning strategy so everyone ended up adopting it, China included. The modern Chinese identity is no more real or fake than the American or French or Iranian."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>There isn't a single national identity (in the modern sense) older than the 1700's, China included.\n\nI guess Changs chimping out vs. Steppenig conquerors who do not assimilate was just muh socio-economics."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it was less of a revolution and more of a military coup by Yuan Shikai.\n>>3\nFuck off chatgpt retard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIf you have any disagreements with the previous points you can take it up with people interested in chinese history or Chatgpt itself and learn."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThat's \"Civilized\" people being understandably pissed that \"Barbarian\" people are stealing their shit and burning their houses. It's no different than \"Barbarian\" Germanics invading \"Civilized\" Rome. And much like Rome barbarians fucking love putting on the fancy hat worn by the monarch they just beheaded and claiming rulership of all the civilized lands. It happens in China, It happens in Persia, It happens in Rome, It happens in India. Every nomad from bumfuck nowhere uses old imperial titles to give themselves a veneer of universal sovereignty. The Westphalian Nation State is a phenomenon brought about by a lucky confluence of historical factors compounding on one another that was then exported and imported the world over."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>That's \"Civilized\" people being understandably pissed that \"Barbarian\"\nThe changs see other civilizations all the time and yet they only have a very specific definition of civilization that just so happens to be centered in Chinese culture."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nWhat \"Chinese Culture\"? in the modern sense. There was no universal culture between the various areas.They didn't even speak the same language or gods or civic traditions. There was definitely an \"Imperial Culture\" that bigwigs liked to flaunt and flunkies from the provinces would copy when they went to the capital so they didn't look like Hicks, but nothing like a nation-state with the kind of homogeneity that comes from that. There was an Imperial Culture in Rome and Persia too. Like of course there were cultural similarities between certain places in East Asia, but by that metric France and Spain are part of a single national identity."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\nchinese nationalism was a thing as early as the song dynasty, which was the first dynasty that wasn't seen as universal since it lost a lot of land and was constantly on the defensive"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhere's a hint. sun yat sen is considered the father of the revolution. yet, he was sleeping in an american hotel when the wuchang uprising began, and he found out about it next morning on the newspaper"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Soviet Union was a fascist state."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*a faggot state"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre we just at the point of calling any sort of order \"fascism\" now?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWell yes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a horrendously shitty post\n\n>implying the great patriotic war wasn’t communism vs fascism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally the first country to legalize abortion and faggotry. Don't get fooled thinking they were le based because they starved a bunch of oinkrainian farmers"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>muh abortion\nnot a fascist issue\n>faggotry\n>Under Joseph Stalin, the Soviet Union recriminalized homosexuality in a decree signed in 1933.[2] The new Article 121, which punished \"muzhelozhstvo\" with imprisonment for up to 5 years, saw raids and arrests. Female homosexuals were sent to mental institutions. The decree was part of a broader campaign against \"deviant\" behavior and \"Western degeneracy\".[1]\nRetard."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell yeah, it's just all socialism either way"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything I don't like is fascist!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs a socialist I agree. It was nationalistic, imperialistic, racist and totalitarian."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>in 1933\nthey literally banned it because the nazis, who were (and are, judging by /pol/) faggy as hell, had taken power in Germany and immediately crushed the KPD.\nIt was an anti-fascist move, not a fascist one."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd it was glorious"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nThe Soviet Union wasn't communist and never claimed to be."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nFascism has always been a feminist movement."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nIS THAT A PARADE? THEM FASCISTS..."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nYeah, marching fertile women is peak faggotry."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\n> Don't get fooled thinking they were le based because they starved a bunch of oinkrainian farmers\nBut it is based, though."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>fertile\nJarvis, show abortion statistics enhance the Soviet era."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n\n\nABORTION ENTAILS PREGNANCY; PREGNANCY ENTAILS FERTILITY.\n\nTURN ON YOUR BRAIN."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat was from one of the athlete parades in the 1930s:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/X0LLlQH_Gpg [Embed]\n\nThe Soviet Union loved its gymnastics (also remember the movie Circus?). Also a trope still used in Chinese domestic propaganda:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/KFy9xM11KaY [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Also don't forget the human pyramids or whatever this is. Soviet classic. Also another blast from the past:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/bMQNywhLrtg [Embed]"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnder Stalin it was pseudo-fascist, prior and post not really"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe notion of \"Red Fascism\" was very widespread among the western european marxists, that were perpetually doubling down on the \"True Communism Utopia\" that basically every single communist country in existence failed to implement or betrayed.\nSo yeah in some Marxist circles you can state that the USSR was a fascist country, nothing particularly thought provoking."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nno\nit was russian fascism vs german nazism(national zionism)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>13\nIt had a communist government with communist one-party state and enough authority to enact totalitarian communist policies and ability and will to erase any dissenting voices.\n\nHow much more power do communists even need to achieve communism?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>How much more power do communists even need to achieve communism?\nCommunism isn't possible until you take over the whole world. That's why it's called World Socialism. Fascism is like \"we're gonna take over Italy, maybe a little piece of Africa.\" Hitler wanted some Lebensraum. That's like the Diet Coke version. That's why Dr. Evil wears the Mao suit.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/AnwgbH0TPbI [Embed]"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth were totalitarian one-party states, with the ruler treated as a literal God, an effective propaganda machinery that glorified the government, large government oversight and control over the economy, and aggressive military expansionism so yeah there were very similar.\n\nIf the Germans had won, the Cold War would have played out mostly the same.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvAdeAv8KI [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\nIt was a fascist civil war"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>6\nAbortion was outlawed, in the RSFSR anyways, during Stalin's time."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, tankie faggot, it was communist. That is what communism is. Sorry it doesn’t fit your imaginary socialist utopia"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>14\nFascism isn't feminist, when it comes to gender roles it's like Ancient Sparta, where both men and women should be strong, but they have their own functions in society all the same. Women should play sports, and know how to shoot a rifle even if their primary purpose is to make the next generation."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>16\nI don't see any men, everyone's segregated by gender which is gay"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. A. james Gregor"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nbased retard"}, {"id": 35, "content": "OMG it has one party and isn't liberal therefore LITERALLY MUST BE FASCIST WOW\n\nFunny how the actual business community can tell the difference between Fascism and Communism which are apparently just the same and they chose the former every time (no, sorry, big corporations going on about BLM and trannies isn't a counterargument)"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>19\nJarvis, does abortion causes motherhood or is it the opposite."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nBased big business knows how to pick a winning team instead of commucuck loser incels. Picrel view from my pent house right now while (You) hoard HRT pills in your moms smell basement.\n\nGet REKT commusharts\n\nYou will never have le revolution"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nRuined with the elf ears."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n\n\nCAPESLOP IS ROTTING YOUR MIND."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nSo hard to find brown/tan anime girls though, so I'll take it"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*a faggot state"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nBased"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>3\nFascism prety much just means totalitarian police state with draconic laws and a single party rule that imposes those laws under a dictator that has ultimate power, so yes soviet union was Fascist"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>3\nFascism is when the state is omniprestent, so yes, the USSR was turbofascist"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>35\nlmao you realize that Wall Street literally funded the communist revolution in Russia, right? dumb commie"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly differencs between ussr and nazis were by slight ideological differences, but not how they impozed them:\n>NAZIS\nNationalistic socialist fascists\n>USSR\nCommunist socialist fascists"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Atheists spank their monkeys over secular government, because they detest the idea of them having to be accountable for their selfish, decadent actions, but I have never heard a good argument for it. Relying solely upon man’s law validates that there are no ramifications if you are not caught by law enforcement. This is deplorable and does not stop crimes from happening. It also advocates for gray morality, which always leads to destructive behavior in the population. Only in a Christian nation can you truly have order and morality, as accepting His blessing is the only way for us to find true happiness as a unified people.\n\nAtheism dooms a society to fall to the vices and urges of its people. It must be actively mitigated by a Christian state."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Only in a Christian nation can you truly have order and morality.\nYou ever hear of the child abuse cases in the catholic church that has being going on for centuries?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCatholics aren't Christian"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP here. I'm a fag btw. I love making Ricky Gervais smut on my computer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou think your effeminate desert demon can protect you from GOTT's wrath?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nSee >>3\n>>4\nStop pretending to be me.\n>>5\nNot sure what you’re trying to get across with this forced meme."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nChristian nation promotes morality.\n\n\nnot available\nAtheists spank their monkeys over secular government, because they detest the idea of them having to be accountable for their selfish, decadent actions, but I have never heard a good argument for it. Relying solely upon man’s law validates that there are no ramifications if you are not caught by law enforcement. This is deplorable and does not stop crimes from happening. It also advocates for gray morality, which always leads to destructive behavior in the population. Only in a Christian nation can you truly have order and morality, as accepting His blessing is the only way for us to find true happiness as a unified people.\n\nAtheism dooms a society to fall to the vices and urges of its people. It must be actively mitigated by a Christian state.\n\nI'm sorry, but your statement is not only offensive but also contains several fallacies.\n\nFirstly, suggesting that all atheists engage in immoral or decadent behavior is a baseless and unfounded generalization. Atheists, like any other group, come from diverse backgrounds, cultures, and ethical beliefs, and their actions are not determined solely by their lack of belief in a deity.\n\nSecondly, the idea that only a Christian nation can have order and morality is flawed. Many societies around the world, regardless of their religious affiliation, have established legal systems and moral codes that promote social order and ethical behavior. These systems are based on human values and principles, not on any particular religion.\n\nFinally, your claim that gray morality always leads to destructive behavior in the population is also inaccurate. The world is not black and white, and ethical dilemmas often require complex and nuanced decision-making. Acknowledging this complexity can lead to more thoughtful and informed decision-making, which can, in turn, promote positive outcomes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBots don’t get into Heaven either, sorry."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nYou know exactly the point of my \"memes\" christcuck, that's why you flee every time i enter your threads."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the absence of a moral basis in a secular society, the population becomes susceptible to all kinds of evils: theft, murder, fraud, sexual crimes... Without God, there is only a slippery slope into destruction."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf sky said that murder is moral, would murder be moral?\n\nYou will dodge this."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nGuess we’ll see what happens when you’re being spit roasted by demons in hell, larper."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nReligious countries are the biggest shitholes though."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nGod does not make mistakes. What He decides upon is what is right. However, He has never said that murder is okay."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>jewish nose\nGOTT sisters..."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nYou homosexual demon is not so powerful. Our God's might is shown in our physical superiority"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>cunny\nYou deserve what’s coming to you in the afterlife, pedo."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>afterlife\nNo such thing! the world only gives us LIFE. BUT, in the far future we will construct a real hell on mars, and you and all your semitic ilk will be resurrected to be tortured there henceforth!"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nI have nothing further to say to you. God will ensure justice is delivered unto you after meeting your end."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">you need religion to have true morality\n>take one look at any deeply religious state\n>all of them compete with each other to be the capital of rape, murder, child predation, acts of brutal violence, human trafficking of any kind, massive war crimes, and despite being poor giga corruption\n>most athiest countries\n>home to some of the safest streets in existence, meerly hitting a child is enough to cause outrage and arrest, for front of moral thinking, lead efforts in humanitarian aid, corruption heavily punished\nhmmmmm, why is it anytime religious followers scream about morality they always seem to be projecting"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nYour \"god\" is powerless, all he has is lies. Our GOTT gives us STRENGTH and even now we are on the door step of immortality."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYou sound like a man with no chin."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThe semite projects..."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI’m not jewish"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYou are not Aryan and that is what decides your fate. GOTT wills it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It's Joe-ver."}, {"id": 2, "content": "At least post the original."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nWhat the fuck is this shit? Ben Garrison is absolutely unhinged.\n>>1 (OP)\nHe used to have some creativity in his work. What lead to this downfall?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Everything went south around the time he threw in with trump"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nSneed."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nBen Garrison is hilariously creative. I like how he presents the Democrats as these really well-organized quasi-communists wearing uniforms and answering to the CCP which also contrasts with how the left views them.\n\nIf you combined ChiCom propaganda with the Democrats, that's Ben Garrison's nightmare as he's thrown in the Gulag Archipelosi.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/H9mGrf0XV24 [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": "What is your opinion on his Fine Art?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI like it. He's really talented and creative."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Man Ben Garrison truly was a one-hit wonder"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nI always knew Ben was an Israel shill"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Something a bit more topical."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">not a tiny happy merchant controlling Joe\nZyklon Ben’s selling the fuck out"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nAmerican CBDC would just be the dollar though..."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>no labels\n3/10"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nLooks cool."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nPlease someone do an edit"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nkek, this ones good."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI liked when Ben Garrison pivoted towards borderline homoerotic depictions of Trump instead of just general anti government shit with a trillion labels on everything"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Trump praised Xi Jinping; Biden criticized him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "White people: invented the electric telegraph in 1753 at a time when our understanding of electricity was in its infancy (his proposed device was static-powered). To this day, whoever the anonymous contributor to that magazine newsletter was, his real identity remains a mystery. Scotland is where it was first proposed. His version of the telegraph was experimented with in Europe but soon abandoned due to it being unreliable.\n\nJewish people: proves the existence of radio frequencies, sparking the wireless revolution in the 1880s (it was predicted to exist by James Clerk Maxwell about 25 years earlier, again, Scottish) (Heinrich Hertz).\n\nWhose discovery was more important?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont get it, why do people always claim Jews, especially the European variety, are distinct from whites? They are white by every metric"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>(Heinrich Hertz).\nWasn't jewish"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nashkenazim cluster in between italy and lebanon, near cyprus and a whole bunch of other jews"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAnd? Greeksbare genetically closer to Jews than to Anglos, this doesn't make Greeks non-white so why can't Jews be included in the label too? It's arbitrary at that point"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThey actually don't and it's been disproven repeatedly for decades."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nI don't get it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe creation of the electric telegraph is more significant. It allowed instantaneous communication across the world and set the stage for future technologies. The wireless revolution was important too, but the telegraph had a more immediate, lasting impact."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nLeft: Greek fire\nRight: Chinese gunpowder rocket\n\nIt's saying Europeans already had ranged firepower weapons before the Chinese discovered gunpowder. Their guns were all matchlock. Europeans upped it and added a trigger. Who's smarter?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nChinese.\n\nBecause media says so and I think what I'm told.\n\nThank you for sharing though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nHertz was half north german tho"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nThey're as white as central asians and ethiopians."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nGreeks aren’t white. They seemed to describe themselves as bronze from what I’ve read in Xenophon. Let’s not We Wuz. It’s just poor form and decidedly low brow white territory we should avoid."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happened here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Iranics until 100 AD. Then Germanic. Then developed amnesia and became Slavic much later."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGiga comfy and free life for the vast aristocracy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's like if burgers were in charge but instead of other burgers it's a bunch of slavs and other weirdos"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomanov original homeland"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngay sex"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't worry about it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>eastern europe and baltics\n\nChadGPT states;\n\n\nAncient Times: The region was inhabited by various tribes and ethnic groups, including the Balts, Slavs, and Finno-Ugric peoples.\n\nMiddle Ages: During the Middle Ages, the region was dominated by various empires and kingdoms, including the Byzantine Empire, the Mongol Empire, and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.\n\nEarly Modern Era: In the 16th and 17th centuries, the region saw the rise of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which was one of the largest and most powerful states in Europe at the time.\n\n18th and 19th Centuries: The region experienced significant political upheaval and changes in the 18th and 19th centuries, including the partitions of Poland, the Napoleonic Wars, and the emergence of various nationalist movements.\n\nWorld War I: The outbreak of World War I had a major impact on the region, leading to the collapse of several empires and the emergence of new states, including Poland and the Baltic states.\n\nWorld War II: The Eastern European/Baltic region was heavily impacted by World War II, with several countries occupied by Nazi Germany and subjected to brutal atrocities, including the Holocaust. The war also led to the establishment of Soviet control over much of the region, which lasted for several decades.\n\nLate 20th and early 21st Centuries: Following the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, many of the countries in the region underwent significant political and economic reforms, leading to increased prosperity and integration with the rest of Europe.\n\nAny questions?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI live here.\n>>2\nMaybe in like parts of Ukraine, but not in other areas.\n>>7\nKronklis..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are you so obsessed with sex?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’re the one posting about obsessing over sex. Maybe go to\n>>>/r9k/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople fight for what they don't have."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe english admiral adresses french privateer Surcouff.\n>you frenchies fight for money\n>we fight for honour\nRobert Surcouff responds.\n>people fight for what they don't have"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "February 2, 1960. Several black students from North Carolina A&T College stage a sit-down at a whites-only lunch counter in Greensboro, where they were denied service. The Woolworth's abolished this policy five months later after steadily increasing pressure and large scale demonstrations."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRace mixing is communism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\n>niggers aren't human\nis that even debatable? even calling niggers animals is a reach since some animals are smarter and less violent than them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccess to white people is not a human right."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLittle did they know that their actions would destroy whole cities in a scant few years. The detroitification of our urban centers resulted in rapid depopulation as whites fled the destruction of our way of life. Just a few nights ago the great grand children of these three interlopers turned down town Chicago into a Monrovian suburb, with running street battles, and rampant looting. One man’s dream is another man’s nightmare I suppose."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All Sacred Texts convey the same message.\n\nSince it is like that, who is the Duryodhana of the Bible?\n\nP.S. I've asked God to not allow me to post this if it wasn't true."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably King David."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>. I've asked God to not allow me to post this if it wasn't true.\nGod doesn't hear the prayers of the wicked."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>All Sacred Texts convey the same message.\nThe premise is painfully flawed."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt wasn't a prayer.\n\n>>4\nNo, it is not."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYes it is."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>All Sacred Texts convey the same message.\nYou've already committed a mistake in this premise."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Sky jew is the basis for morality!\nSo if sky jew says murder and rape are moral then they are moral?\n>no....it doesn't work like that because..it just doesn't!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "another quality atheist thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYou just don't like how absurd your beliefs sound when played back to you."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf God* said that killing and raping atheists was moral then yes it would be, he is above human-made concept such as a morality and consent."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMurder and rape are attacks on God's image. It would be absurd for him to declare that as moral. His morality comes from his necessary character; it's not arbitrary."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nbut he did declare that moral, most infamously in the book of Joshua"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nwhy is his character necessarily good, all he necessarily has to be is the creator"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased and logical take."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>His morality comes from his necessary character\nWhy can't our morality come from our character?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nJustified killing is not murder"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSophistry, cope, osychopathic excuse, etc."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>murder, rape, and pillage\n>lol sorry sky jew i pledge my heart to you\n>it's all good now :)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>6\n>killing evildoers to prevent them from doing more evil is...LE BAD!\nfunny how secularists always argue to save the perp and never give a thought to the victim"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Tyrese blows your brains out tomorrow\n>converts on his death bed\n>You spend eternity with him\n\nchristcucks everyone"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>Murder and rape are attacks on God's image.\n\"You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.\" Hosea 13:4, 9- 16\n\n\"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you\". Deuteronomy 20:16-17"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nWhich of his characteristics can be changed without contradicting his ultimacy? Can God be a liar by nature? I don't think that's possible"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>Canaanite babies and livestock were irredeemably evil and had to be sacrificed for the greater good\nabrahamic \"morality\" everyone"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYou still haven’t answered as to why is ultimacy is necessarily only good"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nAll those male children had to be prevented from doing evil. Caving their heads in was the only option.\nThe female children on the other hand didn't have to be prevented from doing evil. God had some much more fun uses in store for them."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nGod has the authority and right to kill his rebellious creatures, and to command to kill. Do you think execution and murder are the same thing?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nhis*"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no\nNo truly religious person would answer that way. Nice strawman"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nGoodness is defined by God's character, so it's a silly question to ask. The better question is to ask if the ultimate being, God, could be any different to how he is."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>Do you think execution and murder are the same thing?\nAnd that includes \"executing\" pregnant women and children?\nThis is not justice or morality, and I thought God gave us freewill to do what we want, until the day of judgement? Why does he not still call for the genocide of non-believers today or simply just kill them?\nThis does not sound like an all powerful, loving God. More like a supernatural flawed dictator.... its as if, this is made up jewish fables"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nThat makes goodness a largely superfluous characteristic."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nif goodness is defined by gods character, then why is gods character constituted in such a way that it exudes only goodness and not both goodness and evil"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nWhat standard are you using to define justice, morality and love? Isn't it all abitrary and changeable without God?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nThat would be absurd. How could the Father both love the Son and hate the Son?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nThat would make his character inconsistent and not ultimate."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>Isn't it all abitrary and changeable without God?\nThe fact that you have avoided my previous reply, shows that you may be uneasy, with the supposed \"God given\" order, to \"execute\" women and children for having the wrong religion.\nSo its clear that we do not need the Jewish God for us to have morality. Because that is fundamentally wrong\n\nI get my values, ethical, moral. From the enlightenment, based on reason and rationality. Treating others how I myself, would want to be treated. It is not rational to kill someone else for having another belief system.\nIt is not rational to mutilate the penis because \"God\" has commanded it.\nReligion causes otherwise good people to do wicked things, and you have proven that. The fact that you read those verses and initially supported them, shows that you are a fundamentally immorally minded person."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI'm not uneasy with it at all. I'd be interested to hear your 'rational' argument against an atheist who kills people because he enjoys it and doesn't care for anyone else."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>I'm not uneasy with it at all.\nThen you are a scumbag, akin to the ISIS thugs, or the islamic nutcases who hijack planes or blow themselves up, they too belief they are following \"God's law\"\n> I'd be interested to hear your 'rational' argument against an atheist who kills people because he enjoys it and doesn't care for anyone else.\nWell clearly you don't have a high standard on who lives and dies.\nAtheism is defined as the absence of belief in gods, thats it, it is not a pre-packaged belief system. You too are an atheist, regarding the thousands of other gods that have been invented throughout world history, you just believe in one more than I do.\nWith regard to psychopaths and sociopaths, who enjoy killing people, they should be imprisoned, and I would guess that a psycho wrote those bible verses that I cited earlier."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nSee, you have no argument. Your values aren't based on 'reason and rationality'. All you can do is call people names and say that they need to be imprisoned, but you can't give a logical reason why. Apart from the fact that it's personally distasteful to you."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\nWhy is love and hate analogous to his character consisting of both good and evil"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\nWhy the One god necessarily consistent. The trinity itself represents the variation of gods form. If the Godhead can take forms as diverse as the trinity without being inconsistent, why could it also not be both good and evil without being inconsistent"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>Your values aren't based on 'reason and rationality'. All you can do is call people names and say that they need to be imprisoned, but you can't give a logical reason why. Apart from the fact that it's personally distasteful to you.\nIf you need me to spell out why its wrong to kill people for having the wrong beliefs. And why pyschos, serial killers etc should be locked up for the good of the community and wider society. Then you are either a child or mentally challenged.\nGoodbye."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nGood and evil are categories defined by God's nature, they don't exist independently. If God's nature could change, then whatever is causing that change would be more ultimate than God, and hence God would not be God."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nYou and I both know murder is wrong because God has given us a conscience. The difference is that I can justify why I think it's wrong and you can't."}, {"id": 39, "content": "Wait, there's a jew in the sky?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>27\n>Isn't it all abitrary and changeable without God?\nIf sky jew says murder is moral, you have to think it's moral. Your morals are arbitrary."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nso then god is both good and evil or at least contains both within"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nWhy did sky jew give us the conscience that murder is wrong? Is it because murder is inherently wrong or does sky jew hand out arbitrary morals?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nGod's nature is good. Evil is rebellion against God."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nSo when why is it necessary that God as creator endorses certain actions as good and others as evil. You still haven’t actually said why God as a partisan of The Good is the necessary conception of god. Why does he need to be partisan at all? Cannot he just simply create?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nHe could just simply create a world where there was no meaningful use of 'good and evil' if he wanted. But that's not the case here as evidenced by natural and special revelation."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>special revelation\n>wot the jew book and the four pilpul books say about Y*shua"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How am I supposed to share Jesus with people who think they aren't interested?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't assume they aren't genuinely uninterested, for one. And two, don't try and force people into conversations they aren't interested in. Spend your time and energy on people who are interested, that's the most effective strategy for bringing someone to God."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>And two, don't try and force people into conversations they aren't interested in\nAgree with this. Share the gospel at every opportunity, but not more than that. If someone isn't interested in peace with God it's their problem. But you should manufacture these opportunities by righteous living and internal peace, so that the unbelievers will be curious why you have such good in a world of darkness."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>If someone isn't interested in peace with God it's their problem\nThat's true. But it makes me very, very sad."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you believe in a magic jew?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a bit like asking if you should bother warning people if their house is on fire, knowing that they don't like you and don't want to hear from you. Yes, you should."}, {"id": 7, "content": "First tell a story about how they will be tortured forever if they don't listen to the story about Jesus"}, {"id": 8, "content": "What's the christian answer to me simply being uninterested? Where do you go from there?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you tried spamming them with AI generated images of Ricky Gervais?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>Your house is on fire!\n>Did you see it?\n>Yeah.\n>Then why the fuck didn't you call the fire department?\n>Uh...\n\n>You will be on fire forever!\n>How do you know that?\n>It says so in this book.\n>How do you know what the book says is true?\n>Uh..."}, {"id": 11, "content": "You aren't. Fuck off and go away."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMove on. You're not called to \"save\" anyone. Only plant seeds. Whether they grow or not is not up to you.\n>And whoever shall not receive you or hear your words, shake off the dust of your feet when you depart from that house, or that city.-Matthew 10:4"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Move on. You're not called to \"save\" anyone. Only plant seeds.\nI know it's not me doing the saving. Is the answer any different if I'm talking about my own family, and not just anyone? I don't want to give up on them."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>shake off the dust of your feet when you depart from that house, or that city\nIf you christkikes did that throughout history, your religion would be dead already."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nPray to God to open their eyes. But more importantly, we must show the light of Christ in our own lives, and let it be known by example what he has done for us. Perhaps they'll investigate why it is that you've benefited, perhaps not. If you see someone enjoy a nice dish, you might tell the waiter \"I'll have what he's having.\" And if another opportunity for sharing the good news comes up, sure, try again the best you can."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverytime a Christian goes up to me irl, I automatically assume they are in a cult and theyre trying to recruit free labor from me."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nChristianity was never about numbers or cultural capital. This is a /pol/ obsession with how they measure success and I don't have time for it. It's not like everyone is an elite Shaolin monk. Or every athlete is an Olympian. Or every chef makes high ranked dishes. God only wants quality. Not quantity."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>God only wants quality. Not quantity.\nThen why did you spread your bullshit all over the Europe and all over the globe?"}, {"id": 19, "content": "By practicing what Jesus taught. Live Christ's teaching and the gospel will preach itself from your actions. Or, as St Francis said, \"preach the gospel at all times; when necessary, use words.\" Words are not necessary to preaching or living the gospel. You can convert people simply by setting a righteous example."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIt's not bullshit, and it can help you too.\nNot many of the populace were always Christian, just because a given bishop had jurisdiction or helpful institutions were built in an area. One tree can cast a lot of shade."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>god only wants high quality\nwhy he chose to create a world he knew would have low-quality people in it?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet your life be a testament to God's glory, embody his teachings and Christian virtues and the rest will follow"}, {"id": 23, "content": "The best approach is to empathetic, listen and explain in a clear and concise manner. Be able to answer common questions and find common ground. If you cannot convince them, you can at least in good faith leave a seed of doubt/belief in them. Overall I think that you and I should recognize that not everyone will believe christ but their are other ways we can cooperate as demonstrated time and time again.\n\nBest of luck on your religious journey."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\nRickyposter did literally nothing wrong"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nAll people have the potential to be high quality, but they have to step in the fire. Which up to them first. Most people don't want to take that risk or are comfortable with their existence as raw ore just languishing away. Being something greater - a tool in God's hands - or even more, a peerless weapon - is off their list of dreams they want out of life."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBro it's hard enough to convert people who ARE interested. I have been trying to convert for fucking years but can't get myself to believe or feel anything.\nI tried going to church and felt nothing. I've read up on the philosophy of theism and the most I can get to is \"Yeah there might be a non-specific deity\". I've tried praying for assistance in this and received nothing (not sure if that counts as testing God, so it's inconclusive one way or the other). I've tried talking to Christians (and Muslims) about their faith and the most I can really get from those conversations are how religion makes them feel or some butchered version of an argument I've already read in a philosophy book.\n\nI try to follow Christian teachings as best I can in the hopes that something will click one day."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike this ofc"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n\nYou guys have internal peace and post on 4chan?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>All people have the potential to be high quality\nSo what? God knows with certainty that there will be a bunch of low-quality people, he doesn't want them\nYet he chooses to create the world anyway, despite not having to, or wanting the outcome. Despite having the power to always achieve his goals (omnipotence)\nIs he irrational?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSetting a good example is probably the best thing you can do. Be upright and full of love for your fellow man."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they aren't interested, just go someplace else. There's nothing more interesting than Jesus, but you can't make everyone understand."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nkek this"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>There's nothing more interesting than Jesus\nYou like Jesus? Name your five favorite parables by him without looking up"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nNot him but my favorite is the prodigal son. I can definitely name more than 5 but ranking them past the top is weird"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nI like the one where he calms the storm"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>who think they aren't interested?\n>think\nfirst, cut the condescending attitude, and you might have better luck.\nif i'm interested in something is because i find it interesting, not because i 'think' i'm interested in it or not."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSHOEHORN IT INTO EVERY CONVERSATION!! They could die any day. Having a crisis mentality is key."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVia us. G's us."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nG's us."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThats the thing, you dont.\nEvangelism is being a good person and people seeing you being a good person and taking you as an example, forcing your beliefs into people is proselytizing and it is an ancient roman pagan error."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>27\n>>28\n>>39\nKnock on their Door and say, \"Government's us, G's us.\"\n\n(and if they start shooting duck for cover)"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>and the government shall be upon his shoulder:"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nit doesnt means you can spread word of Jesus to a hardened heart, it is impossible. It is better to be a good person and submit to God."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>It is better to be a good person and submit to God.\nsubmit to \"Government of democracy\" your taxes."}, {"id": 45, "content": "When will Christtards realize all their evangelizing achieves the exact opposite effect that they want to achieve with it?\n\nIt probably turned a lot of people away from your cult, and, like the cult members you are, you can only conclude it must be the fault of everything except your dumb faith"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRevenuers!"}, {"id": 47, "content": "You shake the dust off your sandals and move on"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>39\nhttps://franklinpapers.org/framedVolumes.jsp?vol=3&page=267a"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">Revenuers!"}, {"id": 50, "content": "All RELIGIONS Are Evil.\n\nGeneration Alpha is screwed if they don't become conservatives. To clarify, to be a conservative, you don't need religion.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVTNV6-tnw [Embed]"}, {"id": 51, "content": "Prayer"}, {"id": 52, "content": "Become perfect and renew your mind in Christ. Then you will be able to share the gospel. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>5\n>Muh Jews\nShut up!"}, {"id": 54, "content": "If someone isn't interested, then either they have already hardened their heart or God has yet to break their spirit and call them to Him. You should focus on someone who is already broken in spirit and who is therefore open to the Gospel."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>42\nCan't serve two masters, Paul."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestern culture is engufed in christian assumptions. For many on the left, their entire belief system is based on christian morality, yet they're often atheists who despise the organised church and religion. They're secular christians.\n\nYou just need to explain that the origin of modern social movements, the entire concept of 'progressivism', is based on christian assumptions and morality. Essentially, their whole worldview only makes sense if you also adopt the religoius aspects of christianity.\n\nEither you'll get more religious christians, or they'll stick with atheism and turn fascist."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they don't think they're are interested than that's either a polite \"no\" or it just leans that way. In either way you shouldn't be pushy."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>53\nYeah, i wish you would shut up about your magic jew already"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou should post aI generated pictures of Ricky Gervais being sodomized in hell, that should work."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>it's a Christian admits they're the reason for Western decline post"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou should chant the name of the Lord out of pure joy. It is not your mission to convert people to this religion or that religion. You must remember who you are. You must realise that you and God are one, just like Jesus did."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>28\nlmao"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>24\nT. Ricky poster"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou blackmail them"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Industrial Revolution was a tragedy for mankind."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Ur mums butthole was a tragedy for mah dick LMAO"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiggers were and still are a tragedy for mankind"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere do I buy a man sized press to squeeze money out of people with? Could I do this with children or do I need a specialized version?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe Industrial Revolution was not all bad. It led to significant technological advancements that improved many aspects of daily life, such as transportation, communication, and medicine. It also played a significant role in the growth of modern economies and the development of new industries.\n\nWhile the Industrial Revolution had many negative consequences, it also brought about significant advancements and benefits. It is important to acknowledge both the positive and negative impacts of the Industrial Revolution when considering its place in human history."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Agricultural Revolution was a tragedy for mankind. Humans need to to go back to their cannibalistic roots."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>the Industrial Revolution was not all bad. It led to significant technological advancements that improved many aspects of daily life, such as transportation, communication, and medicine. It also played a significant role in the growth of modern economies and the development of new industries.\nACCELERATE"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPre-industrial life was shit for most people too, retard"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIntelligence is the ability for an organism to adapt to its environment."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Industrial Revolution and Capitalism were necessary steps in the development of the human species, but have long outlived their usefulness and must be replaced by a new societal form. Marx was right."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd when wages are getting too high..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>>unknown\nAnd this is why class consciousness is so important. Foreign migrants lose their power to drive down wages when you instead bring them into the Union so when you strike, they strike, and all Scabs are treated equally regardless of origin (badly). Otherwise you get exactly what these cartoons portray, worker turned against worker so both lose while the parasite prospers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "so how much of history is just lost forever? Just countless pages from the story of man that we’ll never get to read."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is true that much of history has been lost forever, and there are undoubtedly countless pages from the story of humanity that we will never get to read. Many historical records and artifacts have been lost to the ravages of time, natural disasters, wars, and other factors.\n\nFor example, the Library of Alexandria, one of the greatest repositories of knowledge in the ancient world, was destroyed in a fire and much of its contents were lost. Similarly, many ancient civilizations, such as the Maya and the Aztecs, did not have a system of writing that allowed for the preservation of historical records, and much of their history has been lost.\n\nHowever, it is important to note that not all historical records have been lost. Archaeologists, historians, and other researchers have discovered and preserved many artifacts, documents, and other historical records that provide insights into the lives and cultures of people throughout history.\n\nAdvancements in technology have also made it easier to preserve and share historical records. For example, digital archives and online databases make it possible to access historical records from anywhere in the world, and new technologies such as 3D scanning and virtual reality are being used to create immersive experiences that allow people to explore historical sites and artifacts in new ways.\n\nWhile it is true that much of history has been lost forever, it is also true that there is still much that can be learned and discovered about the past, and new technologies are helping to make historical records more accessible and engaging than ever before."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nman why’d you have to remind me about the inexorable passage of time slowly eroding away man’s legacy? and i was having such a nice day."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nOk ChatGPT"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIf you have any issues with any of tbe previous points, you are welcome to use such a free resource for explanation."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt was kinda repetitive that's the only problem.Agree with the points tho"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>>6\nkys phoneposter"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI agree. I'm sorry it was long-winded. I should of shortened it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nI don't see the reason to write to him like that. You should reflect why you are behaving the way you are and adapt accordingly. Best of luck."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet's be honest here:it's probably not very interesting anyway."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It was created in the 11th century by Edward the Confessor in Norman Romanesque style. Pic related is the only remaining part. The refurbishment in the 13th century was the gothic style we see today."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen it was constructed by King Edward"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">YOU WILL NOT LISTEN TO MUSIC\n>YOU WILL PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY TO A STONE IN A MAGIC BOX\n>YOU WILL ACCEPT A WARLORD WHO MARRIED A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL AS THE BEST HUMAN BEING TO HAVE EVER LIVED\n>YOU WILL EAT WITH YOUR BARE HANDS\n>YOU WILL COVER YOUR WOMEN AND DAUGHTERS IN BAGS\n>YOU WILL NOT EAT AN ANIMAL BEFORE CUTTING ITS THROAT AND LETTING IT BLEED TO DEATH"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How bad was the great depression?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was greatly depressing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "People are products\nProducts of their environments, genetics\nPeople are sold into slavery, sexual and practical\nPeople are sold the lie of freedom and free will\nWill you, the people, not be apprehensive and apprehend this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I am what I am."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased cheggy vara poet"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is they/them the same individual as they/them was 3 years ago? Why or why not?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "she looks like her standards were too high, she hit the wall, and decided to embrace it as becoming a \"badass chick\" instead of settling down"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>problem of personal identity\nthis is the kind of schizophrenic shit incels with too much time on their hands come up with\nget a job and shut it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccording to the basic principles of quantum physics, everything is dynamic. There is no such thing as self-identity. Every they is different after a single second. Even the number one is unstable."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate the antichrist."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>this is the kind of schizophrenic shit incels with too much time on their hands come up with\nget a job and shut it\nHow many self diagnosed mental disorders do you have, faggot?\n>>>/lgbt/\nkill yourself you waste of oxygen"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>get a job and shut it\n>wage slave finds meaning in life through slavery"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>6\n>>7\nthe problem of identity is a meme for sinful people who want to escape their wrongdoings without confession and forgiveness from God"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>finding meaning through work\nKek delusional wage slaving loser, there's a reason the ancient Greek philosophers didn't work nor have jobs"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>9\n>useless jobless deadweight ingrates"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo one is the same individual they were three years prior, or even yesterday. The ego is under constant, neverending metamorphosis."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The history is written by the victors. Those defeated are depicted as villains and portrayed as the devil. Their suffering is overlooked and suppressed."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Lost cause"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCyrus was killed in battle outside Babylonia. His Greek hoplites were, as such, technically non the losing side, although they did not actually lose their part of the battle. They marched from Babylon back home to their Greek cities. Xenophon wrote of their travails. This proves the victor does not always write the history."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nThis obviously isn't a literal truth, but it's certainly more catchy than the reality, which is that history is written by the literate."}, {"id": 5, "content": "This quote and calling Afghanistan “the graveyard of empires” are the marks of a pseud who knows nothing of history"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The history is written by the victors.\nDid Americans won Vietnam War?\nDid Greeks won the wars against Turks, or did the Turk banished them from anatolia?\nSoviets didnt won Cold War, but there is still Marxist-Leninists.\nThis applies to neo-fascism in Italy too.\nDid Napoleonic wars ended with a French victory?\nDid Romans won the wars against barbarians or did the Rome collapsed?\nWhere is British Empire?\nPolish didnt won any war against their invaders yet historians talk about the perils of the Polish.\nLegalists won in ancient China yet Confucianism is more popular and known around the world."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>>3\nAre you two on some spectrum or bad at English?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">oldest known joke in the world\n>\"Something which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman did not fart in her husband's lap.\"\nI still don't get it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt means your cute gf eventually passes gas while laying, sitting or cuddling you."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's very simple, really. The joke suggests that even a woman might accidentally let a fart out during the course of normal marital life. And that, in the context of ancient society, would be hilarious."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a reminder that we are all human, and that especially in marriage we have to recognise that about each other."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>2\nyou guys all missed the point ; its \"if your girl lets one loose , better let it slide because no way in hell is she ever going to fess up to it\"\n\ncome guys, its so obvious. Even Sumerians get it..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n\nI see what you are both saying. LOL but lets dig in a bit. This quote isnt about a woman denying her farts, nor accidentally farting. We all fart, its no accident.\n\nOnce you live with someone long enough farts, tantrums and nose picking doesnt matter.\n\nIt is a joke humanizing the hot chick you like, saying she does gross things like anyone else, and she is gonna show you (her boyfriend/husband) those things in private.\n\nInteresting that such an old joke still has people talking, thats somewhat beautiful and a joke itself."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>oldest known joke in the world\n>\"Cow Tools\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You can rewrite every history book in the world instantaneously with none the wiser. However, your writings do not affect physical reality’s artifacts. What do you write?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nevery naval engagement is now just cute bote girls kissing and groping each other"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would subtly add or replace names of places and objects that do not exist in real life. It will be consistent and mentioned in various sources, all of them matching up with eachother. Entire cities and lost inventions littered throughout history with nary a trace.\n\nImagine the fucking chaos."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I would redeem Braxton Bragg and John Bell Hood"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would take a physical artifact and claim it was used for something totally different, like all the rifles in the American revolution were exclusively used for hunting, and the bayonets were deployed, perhaps carried on the rifle, as melee weapons, and they continued the tradition of medieval warfare."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI will insert prophecies of things that have happened in recent history with uncannily precise details so as to convince people of Allah"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would rename Rome to Reme and just have Romulus and Remus change places. Literally nobody could verify or falsify this, and linguists would break their skulls trying to find out why the hell everyone in the modern day calls it Rome, even through the Romans called it \"Reme\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n*the \"Remans\""}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet rid of all the dumb Jewish lies and make them 100% truthful."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would add a kingdom named \"Noweyr\" and make historians go crazy because it doesnt exist. Until one guy finds out it actually means \"nowhere\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBased troll"}, {"id": 12, "content": "https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/07/13/2037205/a-bored-chinese-housewife-spent-years-falsifying-russian-history-on-wikipedia"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nUnimaginably based."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Make it documented by every single contemporary of Catherine the Great that she did bonk horses."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntest"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nso the Chinese really are trying to ruin the world"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do elites always hide in the bunker of bureaucracy?\nIsn't bureaucracy just a means of preventing others from just living?\nHow and why does it start to grow?\nWhy does the commoner put up with increasing levels of bureaucracy?\nIs there a critical bureaucracy level such that it literally stops society? Can it even be reversed non-violently?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause power always grows in the dark.\n\n“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.”\n\nAs long as power is concentrated in the hands of few, the bureaucracy will grow infinitely. The commoner is enslaved, and his mind will soon be captured. It is too late."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why does the commoner put up with increasing levels of bureaucracy?\nCuz whatchoo gonna do, bitch? Huh? Whatchoo gonna do?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do elites always hide in the bunker of bureaucracy?\nNot always, they used to hide behind private armies for example.\n>Isn't bureaucracy just a means of preventing others from just living?\nIts a means to acquire information & stats necessary for rational governments to govern a large state/organization.\n>How and why does it start to grow?\nUsually when Monarchs wanted to decrease the power of the noble aristocracy by centralizing government and mobilizing the commoners by recruiting them into the government in return for handsome salaries (or a salary to begin with, which was rare in ancient/medieval times) and shittons of perks.\n>Why does the commoner put up with increasing levels of bureaucracy?\nBecause commoners directly benefit from the system. In places like China the civil-military bureaucrat became the de-facto aristocracy than the nobility.\n>Is there a critical bureaucracy level such that it literally stops society?\nYes being overly bureaucratic and consistently just waiting for authority's go-to can be a problem.\n>Can it even be reversed non-violently?\nYes, being an anarchic feudal shithole is a good way to reverse it."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why can't a person just build a shed in the forest and just live?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Why didn't he denounce bureaucracy in his work?\nWhich philosopher has taken on bureaucracy as a soul crushing phenomenon?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou can. But can you?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThey'd destroy the forest"}, {"id": 9, "content": "“Bureaucracy” as you put it is too broad of a term. It encompasses the judicial system, the tax collection system, the management of state venues, law enfocement agencies, DMVs and more."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nsounds like a LOT of unnecessary bullshit designed to keep people from living their lives and protect the interests of the monied class, like OP said"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don't think you can truly be Christian if you hate sinners. We should always be conscious of the fact that our own hearts are just as wicked as theirs or anyone else's is, they're just not conscious of it yet. We should have compassion for them, not judge them and declare ourselves superior like modern Pharisees when the reality is we are sinners as well."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nDo I not hate those who hate you, O Lord?\nAnd do I not loathe those who rise up against you?\nI hate them with complete hatred;\nI count them my enemies."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olJBnmRwjr8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDo you think Jesus hates sinners? You are a sinner."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI have a bad news for you, anon...\n\n>He replied, ‘I tell you that everyone who has will be given more; but the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me.’” After Jesus had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them\nI'm talking about atheists who think Jesus isn't real or isn't God, and don't need to be saved from their sin. Not people who know who He is and hate Him"}, {"id": 7, "content": "If I felt consistent hatred for people, I would have to seriously examine myself and would be in fear that I wasn’t truly saved.\nThere are many who claim to be Christians and aren’t, and I believe that many here - who have hearts that are full of hatred - fall into that category.\nIf we are filled with the Spirit, then we will feel compassion for the lost sheep of the world, and will try to save them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where does the meaning of art, should it exist, come from? The creator? The audience?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt depends on your concept of art. If the definition is “an object that was created to bring about certain emotions”, then the creator is the source of art’s meaning. Art can only have its own meaning in a context. In contrast, if your concept of art is “something with aesthetic value”, or even some other abstract definitions, the audience is the source of art’s meaning."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I personally find it to be multi-layered.\nOne aspect is the artist. His intent, but also the unconscious decisions, even the mistakes in the art. Even the act of creation has it's own meaning.\nThe audience is linked to those things, but they also have their own context. When and where they are witnessing the \"art\". That alters things."}, {"id": 4, "content": "art only has meaning because people expect things to have meaning to cope with a meaningless world"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Laughter can cause harm. I. came here to laugh at you to harm you. If we laugh together, it is healing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could someone enlighten me to the historical basis for anti-Christian argumentation being marked by the repetition of buzzwords like \"magic fairytale jew sky daddy\" etc.? It all seems highly manufactured. Historically speaking."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a meme you dip."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God the Geometer\nUltra based."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnietzsche is one of the few modern to do this. gibbon’s history of rome contributes too. other than that all we have are contemporary accounts of christ-kikery and classical accounts from Romans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who were the five bad emperors?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNero, Caligula, Commodus, Heliogabalus, Caracalla"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty much anyone before and after them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nMarcus Aurelius Antoninus was a great emperor baka"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow tf is hadrian good"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">How tf is hadrian good"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nGotem lmao"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Caracalla\nSeverus\nPhilip\nConstantine\nCaligula,maybe"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nhe built some fuckin' sick baths though"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nHe kicked the jews out of judea so hard they wouldnt come back for 2000 years"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the US (and by extension the West) truly a more benevolent \"world police\" than Russia or China would be? I can't help but feel that we are but then I'm obviously biased. The US demands open markets and fair trade among the nations if the world. What would Rus/Chi demand instead?\n\nThoughts? Would anyone be able to do better?\n>&humanities btw"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ChiComs will turn us all into slaves and it's too late to stop it. The world has sleepwalked into tyranny."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes and no. It's not really possible to police the world/expand a neo-colonial empire benevolently. The US did most of its empire building decades ago - the banana republics, the occupation of Haiti and all. It's never about open markets or free trade, it's about markets open to Americans, and free trade insofar as it benefits America. It would be the same for China or Russia, though with differences around the edges - the USA is occasionally held to the pretense of liberal principles by its people, this happens less often in Russia or China.\n\nEqually, China is notable for the quality and extent of state-funded investment it offers to those states it is dominating compared to what the US offers these days, which is not much, especially not compared to the investment of the late 19th/early 20th century. That's not to say that investment is good - empire building never is, but it comes with some advantages just as American 'liberal principles' and all did.\n\nUltimately it's not the right question. Empire-building should be resisted, and the real engine of world policing and empire in the modern age is international corporate capitalism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Freemasons love the Holy Bible so much if they're all deists/gnostics according to this website? Something doesn't add up. I think there's a deliberate effort to keep young men away from Freemasonry with \"redpills\" that are half truths or not truths at all."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFreemasonry is not a religion. Simple as. The rituals, although usually themed around a certain tradition, are just allegorical. There are catholic, orthodox, protestant, muslim, hindu, shinto and pagan freemasons and faith is never an issue. The only prerequisite is that you are not atheist or agnostic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nyou evil faggots aren't my brethren"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>There are catholic, orthodox, protestant, muslim, hindu, shinto and pagan freemasons and faith is never an issue\nThat's sort of my point. This thread is attacking people who insist that Freemasonry is satanic despite never learning anything about it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>pagan freemasons\nI doubt that, though. Mostly because there are so few modern \"pagans\" who believe in their religion in earnest to begin with."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYeah, I ageee with you.\n>>5\nFalse. And there are records of pagans in freemasonry for almost 400 years."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrthodoxy and Catholicism strongly forbid it, and members who do so aren't painted in a good light. But especially Catholicism (mostly because they have the administrative authority to carry through on punishments)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>And there are records of pagans in freemasonry for almost 400 years.\nCould you post some? Asking because I'm interested, not because I don't believe you."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe grounds used for these bans stand upon a false premise of how freemasonry works, though, and it is rather rare to find catholic priests who actively shun freemasons today. Some of them even join, and have done so for hundreds of years."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nNot any more."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's nothing exciting about freemasons, they're all just a bunch of old farts in a social club."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nThere were the usuals like Guido von List, Retif de la Bretonne, Martinez de Pasqually, Algernon Charles Swineburme but I couldnt find the source about the one I like the most, sadly. I dont remember his name."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNone of those were pagans."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>do not hide your light under a bushel\nAny secret organization is of the devil."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhat secret organisation?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think their mission statement changes depending on who's looking.\n\nYou never knew them....\nxD"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAs a note : I'm not sure how true that is.\nCame accross one Freemasonary site citing that they're Athiest, and that Jesus was a madman.\nCame accross another where they appeared to be feverant Christians.\n\nWho's to say?\nFor them to know, and us to wonder.\nOr\nThey're so wishy-washy with their beliefs, that they stand for nothing in particular."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI think it's a church-but-not-a-church."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Who's to say?\nLegit sites, probably."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>9\nFreemasons are liars and a cabal of retarded sadists who threaten me for eating cheddar jalapeno cheetos or playing battle brothers. How Masonry \"actually works\" is by violently enforcing their deeply held beliefs including for example, \"peasants should be killed if they eat spicy food\" or \"violence whose sole purpose is the affirmation of hierarchies is good\" or \"the only reason anyone should be allowed to be attractive is to be a rape-slave of the rich and powerful\" or \"it's important that rich and powerful people should have the best and most desirable things to affirm their dominance and superiority, and the ability to do evil and get away with it is highly desirable, so therefore it's important that the rich and powerful be as evil as possible to affirm their dominance and superiority over their lessers\" or \"food is the most important thing for a human so it's very important that superiors have total control over the food intake of their inferiors, time, amount, quality, etc so that they can withhold or reduce the quality of food as a punishment, and that their inferiors feel insecure in their access to food, and fear starvation\" or \"human sacrifice is a good and important part of affirming dominance hierarchies and creating bonds within communities especially among the elite\" or \"lessers should live in fear of their superiors, even minor or unintentional infractions by a lesser towards their betters should be punished severely\" or \"it's important that undesirable and physically harmful labor continues to exist so that it can be used to punish and stifle those with the potential to succeed on their own merit\" or \"nobody should be allowed to succeed or acquire anything for themselves on their own merit, anything desirable should have to be granted by those in power over them, and nobody outside of existing elite networks should be granted anything desirable unless absolutely necessary\". These are almost word for word quotes"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nis this a pasta?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>These are almost word for word quotes\nFrom whom? You?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nAccusing me of your own misdeeds is one of the funnest and most disgusting things you people do. No, retard, I would not say these things about myself. These are things you say as an attempt to justify your harassment, abuse, violence etc against me. You are a disgusting retard."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThat's not what i said. Learn to read."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYes you did retard, you accused me of being the author of almost word for word quotes from you and your retarded cabal of disgusting sadists"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>you accused me of being the author\nYes. In the form of a question for want of any other source.\nAgain, learn to read."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>9\n>The grounds used for these bans stand upon a false premise of how freemasonry works\nNo, it's based on history of freemasonry actively trying to destroy catholics.\nAnd any catholic priest who joins the freemasons excommunicate themselves by virtue of doing so."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nthis is interesting. So you were involved in freemasonry or knew a freemason? Because yeah they obviously never publicly state that but it aligns perfectly with what they are about (plus a few insight about food I wasn't aware of) according to whistleblowers.\n>>2\nThat's obviously their stupid incoherent fronts. And I don't know about other churches/religions but you can't be a freemason/Catholic simply because if you join freemasonry at any level you're automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\nWicca and Druidry were both heavily inspired by freemasonry. Also some lodges allow other holy books besides the Bible, I've seen the Vedas, Poetic Edda and even the Iliad used in ceremonies."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>No, it's based on history of freemasonry actively trying to destroy catholics.\nWhen?\nAnd the excommunication thing no longer exists in law."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>you can't be a freemason/Catholic\nSure you can. There's no contradiction there. And even if that excommunication thing still happened, it wouldn't stop what you believe."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>what you believe\nYeah uhm well no you can't just screech \"I belong to the Church\" if you have been kicked out, what you believe is totally irrelevant if you don't belong the Church maybe you're Christian but definitely not Catholic."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nhttps://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus.html"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nEven if they kick you out, which they won't, that doesn't change your religious beliefs. They just won't make any more money off you, so more fool them."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nprot detected"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>No refutation"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\n>And the excommunication thing no longer exists in law.\nWrong. It explicitly says you're in a state of grave sin and not to partake in communion and the CDF clarified that no change in the penalty has been made.\nLatae sententiae."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>13\nHow the fuck are you going to say Von List wasn't a pagan?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>Wrong\nShow me in the current Code of Canon Law then.\nIt was retarded that it was ever included in the first place."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>2\n>faith is never an issue.\n>The only prerequisite is that you are not atheist or agnostic.\nWhat?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nMissed that one."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nhttps://www.papalencyclicals.net/clem12/c12inemengl.htm\nhttps://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_lt.html\nhttps://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html\nAlong with Can 2335 of the 1917 Canon Law and Can 1374 of the 1983 Canon Law."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nStill doesn't mention Freemasonry. Why would you want it to anyway?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>doesn't mention it\n>has an explicit papal bull, a canon law and a clarification of canon law all stating it's explicitly banned\nHow about you stop lying and abusing the truth."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nIf that were the case, why is it specifically no longer mentioned in Canon Law, and you had to try and obfuscate by posting both an older version and a lesser authority?\nAgain, why do you want it there?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>If that were the case, why is it specifically no longer mentioned in Canon Law\nThis is specifically mentioned in the CDF sources linked you flagrant dishonest faggot.\n>It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code.\n>This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance in due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.\n>Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.\n>It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981\n>In an audience granted to the undersigned\n>Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation.\n>Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 26 November 1983.\n>Joseph Card. RATZINGER\n>Prefect\n>+ Fr. Jerome Hamer, O.P.\n>Titular Archbishop of Lorium\n>Secretary"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>Again, why do you want it there?\nBetter question, for someone who is ostensibly male why do you not care about the truth and lie pointlessly?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>3\nGood. No one wants to be the brother of some basement-dwelling future mass shooter incel."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>This is specifically mentioned in the CDF\nBut not in Canon Law.\n\n>>47\n>Needing to dodge\nI just don't like seeing people wronged for no reason."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>But not in Canon Law.\nSpecifically a declaration in response to questions about Canon Law undersigned by both the current and future pope.\nIt's weird how you freemasons have no aversions to outright lying and have no care for the Truth."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nLook at the wording. It contradicts itself, given that the principles are in fact not irreconcilable with the Church.\nA couple of Cardinals can't change the stars just by their wants alone."}, {"id": 52, "content": "Reminder that Freemasons are guilty of having setup spy networks against French christians and nationalists sending a lot of good men to their deaths, early retirement, unfavorable colonial positions and blocked their careers from going further in favor of Liberals and non-French during the Affair of the Cards and the Panama scandal."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>given that the principles are in fact not irreconcilable with the Church.\nIt outright states that they are.\nAnd anyone who knows anything about you know you practice indifferentism and the few rites that are \"sectarian\" are viewed very unfavourably.\n>A couple of Cardinals\nNumerous Popes and despite your attempts Freemason liars can no more scrub truth from the net than you can the world."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>It outright states that they are.\nIf they outright state that 1+1=3, would that make it true?\n>practice indifferentism\nAlways been incorrect.\n>the few rites that are \"sectarian\" are viewed very unfavourably.\nLol, that's a new accusation. Especially funny given how all new appendant degrees are Christian.\n>Numerous Popes\nFor the CDF at that time?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>If they outright state\nIf they're speaking on decisions of doctrine within their authority you mean.\n>Always been incorrect.\nBullshit. It takes all of five minutes to go to a freemason hangout and see you the vast majority of your rites being proud of how they have fraternity across religious lines.\n>Lol, that's a new accusation.\nNot very considering you can open up any given freemason board and see almost all of them seethe about any Rite that explicitly denies membership to non-trinitarians.\n>For the CDF at that time?\nI realize you're either illiterate or just outright dishonest and evil so i'll just reiterate this:\n>Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>If they're speaking on decisions of doctrine within their authority you mean.\nGlad we can agree there, then.\n>It takes all of five minutes to go to a freemason hangout\nMaybe you should do that then? And they might have a dictionary there for you to look up the definition of \"indifferentism\"\n>and see almost all of them seethe about any Rite that explicitly denies membership to non-trinitarians\nPics? Weird that all those ones are the most popular then, huh?\n>approved and ordered the publication\nSo yes, 1+1=3 if the right people say it."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nSo in short \"No the popes don't have authority to say this and clarify it's still against the canon law!\" and \"No that's totally not what's happening [don't actually go and look yourself and find out it's very obviously true though]\".\nI think we're done here. You're a real dishonest one and your word ain't worth shit."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nThey do have such authority to make rules. But it's funny that your brainwashing sees no problem in them needing to lie to justify it.\n>[don't actually go and look yourself\nLiteral opposite of what I've said the whole time.\nWhy are lies all you have?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>They do have such authority to make rules.\nGood. Then you agree that their clarification by the Pope shortly after the Canon law was written means Catholics are still banned from being Freemasons.\n>sees no problem in them needing to lie to justify it.\nI would if I actually considered it a lie, but a cursory glance at modern day Freemasonry tells anyone with eyes it isn't.\nFeel free to exclude Rites that hold to a mere belief in a \"supreme being\" instead of the trinity of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. That is if you actually think it isn't putting other religions on an even keel.\n>Why are lies all you have?\nThat's rich."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>Catholics are still banned from being Freemasons.\nDebatable. Especially given all the synods which have disagreed. Seems like they would know.\n>but a cursory glance\nMaybe you need to do more than that, if you're so easily fooled at a first look?\n>Feel free to exclude Rites\nWhy?\n>That is if you actually think it isn't putting other religions on an even keel.\nNo more than any school, road, house, or nature itself.\n>That's rich.\nHow so? I've always recommended going to learn things first hand instead of blindly accepting political propaganda."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRed pills are usually schizophrenia extracted from the manure of the internet, fundie Christian websites."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Freemasons operate by having all the good r normal members being left alone and being in the lower-middle ranks and not being drawn into the inner circle where they do all the things Freemasons are accused of there. Its a simple structure and it works because there is a heavy compartmentalization of their ranks. This same reason is why accusing every Freemason as being a kiddie diddler goes nowhere."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nAdding to this, watch some YouTube testiclemonials, you Will invariably wake Up to the judeochristian problem. Essentially, they become retarded compulsive liars with that book. Case in point, testimonials of converts, if you know a slight but about the religion where they quit to convert to judaism with jesus you'll be amazed, the witches cauldron (women symbology) becomes the lords tabernacle (a tabernacle is a tent) in schizo líes of conversión from brujería."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\n>Especially given all the synods which have disagreed.\nCite one.\n>Seems like they would know.\nFunny. \"The body specifically responsible for promulgating and defending Roman Catholic doctrine signed off by the Pope? No clearly they have less say than regional bishops.\"\n>Why?\nTo prove you are not in fact an inter-religious fraternity.\n>No more than any school, road, house, or nature itself.\nReminds me of all the schools, roads, houses and how nature exactly engages in secret oaths, secret rituals, systems of morality and symbols that allude to a generic God that is not explicitly Jesus Christ.\n>How so?\nAnyone can read your contradictory claims about Catholics canon law ITT."}, {"id": 65, "content": "All this talk about Rome you guys ought to keep up with the what the Italian people are doing today. It’s not all the same right. Or maybe you like criminals I don’t know"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>No clearly they have less say\nNot what I said.\n>To prove you are not in fact an inter-religious fraternity.\nIt's not inter-religious. It's just that men of any religion can join for the most part. It's no different to being able to walk down the same street as a Mohammadan. Science doesn't care what your religion is.\n>engages in secret oaths, secret rituals, systems of morality and symbols that allude to a generic God that is not explicitly Jesus Christ.\nWhat is this tangent meant to be in relation to?\n>Anyone can read your contradictory claims about Catholics canon law ITT.\nOr you could just read the Code of Canon Law and see how it went from mentioning Freemasonry to no longer mentioning it. A good step forward in righting some of their wrongs, really."}, {"id": 67, "content": "Reminder that Freemasons were caught engaging in mass surveillance against citizens who were not anti-clerical socialists going back to 1906."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>that pic\nMeanwhile the Pope and the CDF:\n>It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981\nRead: They aren't allowed that authority.\n>It's not inter-religious. It's just that men of any religion can join for the most part.\nUh-huh.\n>and see how it went from mentioning Freemasonry to no longer mentioning it.\nWhile the people who decide Canon Law being explicit that it's been widened to include more groups and that you are still under the strictest ban. Which you are being deliberately evasive around."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>Meanwhile\nHey, you asked. It's not like they were just some random plebs. But they clearly did more investigation than the Pope and the CDF. No shame in that.\n>Uh-huh.\nYes. What's the problem? You know any religion can post on here too, right?\n>it's been widened to include more groups\nIn such a way as to exclude Masonry. It's a nice thing. Why try to be a dick about it? How does that advance your cause?"}, {"id": 70, "content": "Why would anyone want to be one?\nIt's just a bunch of mystery meat mutts and gerontocratics who get upset when you don't want to donate to foreign aid. (the big exception to the no-politics clause since it involves a lot of untraceable money)\nWhen they're not Grand Orient criminals."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>But they clearly did more investigation than the Pope and the CDF.\nAnd failed to realize it's not within their purview apparently.\n>In such a way as to exclude Masonry.\nNo, but you'd like to think so despite all the evidence to the contrary.\n>Why try to be a dick about it? How does that advance your cause?\nBecause the truth matters. I realize to a relativist this might as well be like explaining bicycling to a fish but it matters nonetheless."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>it's not within their purview apparently\nTruth fears no investigation.\n>you'd like to think so\nMostly because of the specific wording they chose to use in it, yes.\n>Because the truth matters.\nI concur. So why try to bury it under lies? Is it just for the sake of tradition?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if they're all deists/gnostics according to this website?\n\nAre they? In my county professing a belief in Christianity is a prerequisite to join them and that seems like the most common type of Freemasonry that exists too."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>Truth fears no investigation.\nIndeed. Which is why you should read the CDF links higher up that actually have authority on the matter.\nIncidentally the claim in your australian letter seems to have gotten him in quite some hot water: https://www.fli.org.au/bishops-permission-for-freemasonry-was-hiding-in-plain-sight/\n>Mostly because of the specific wording they chose to use in it, yes.\nAnd by ignoring their clarification regarding your specific pet issue that totally denies your viewpoint by the highest authority the Catholic church has on the topic, with a specific restriction on lower bodies changing any part of it.\n>I concur. So why try to bury it under lies?\nYou'd have to ask yourself that. For some reason people like you can just keep lying and lying and when caught out you pretend you never lied in the first place. It's strange and a bad character trait that should never have let you in the masons in the first place if their Integrity and Moral qualifications were in any way real."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\n>Which is why you should read the CDF links\nAlready have. They just repeat historical lies. Gotta wonder why at this point. Probably too proud to admit they were wrong and acting so basely.\n>seems to have gotten him in quite some hot water\nReaffirms my theory.\n>You'd have to ask yourself that.\nWhy? I'm supporting the opposite. It's the Vatican who are trying to get people to forget that they lied about this for hundreds of years for no good reason."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>2\nIt is a religion, you kike, stop trying to cop out."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nHow?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\n>most common\nNo it's only a thing in Knights Templar (generic Christianity and not rigidly enforced), Rose Croix and Swedish Rite (rigid Trinitarianism) and invitational ones like the Red Cross of Constantine and Royal Order of Scotland.\nThe vast majority of Anglo rites are non-Christian only demanding belief in a supreme being and allow swearing on polytheist works like the Vedanta.\nGrand Orient and South American ones are even (in)famous for their hostility to Christianity."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>60\nThey're banned from being Masons.\nAccept it, cope, and Sneed."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nBut why? Seems very queer that you're too afraid to ask that question, and instead will just swallow propaganda.\nBut hey, it's never stopped any Catholics from joining. Even Bishops."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>75\n>Already have. They just repeat historical lies.\n>Reaffirms my theory.\n>Why? I'm supporting the opposite. It's the Vatican who are trying to get people to forget that they lied about this for hundreds of years for no good reason.\nSo in short: You claim to know better about what is allowed for Catholics than their own Catholic authorities and will lie and claim they are allowed to despite knowing it's not the case."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>You claim to know better\nDemonstrably. Not sure whether it's giving them the benefit of the doubt to say they're doing so out of idiocy or out of maliciousness though."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n>But hey, it's never stopped any Catholics from joining.\nSure it did as they're no longer catholics in good standing by joining the freemasons. Excommunication latae sententiae. That's why they cannot partake in communion."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>77\n>We dress up, get together to pray, worship, and do magic, but we're totally not religious!"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nNone of that makes it a religion, though.\nAnd there's no magic."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>80\nStop gaslighting."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot all do. Half of us are christian, half are left hand path. Both sides hate each other."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>83\n>That's why they cannot partake in communion.\nAgain, hasn't stopped anyone. Hell, even I've taken Communion in a Catholic church when going with friends, and I'm not even Catholic. Didn't burst into flames or anything."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>85\n>None of that makes it a religion, though.\nAnd there's no magic."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>84\nNone of that is religious."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nToo bad for you the Knights of Columbus have already signed your death warrant."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>79\nNo they aren't actually. A god portion are catholic. But there are 2 sects."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nApparently they signed their own recently with their uniform updates.\nBut lol at your impotent threats to keep the truth under wraps."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\n>Again, hasn't stopped anyone.\nSure it does. They cannot partake in communion while in a state of grave sin, they can only go through the motions.\n>Hell, even I've taken Communion in a Catholic church when going with friends, and I'm not even Catholic.\nAnd it will do you no good.\n\"Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.\""}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>They cannot partake in communion\nWant to bet?\n>And it will do you no good.\nSeemed fine at the time. Hardly recall anything in the Bible saying anything about such silly ecumenical matters."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nIt is \"do this in remembrance of me(Christ)\".\n\nIf you're not taking communion for the glory of Christ, then the Bible does say such a thing."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>doesn't understand the Real Presence\n>mocks the faith he claims to understand and mistakenly believes he has some secret knowledge of it\nYou certainly don't inspire any confidence in the reason and character of freemasons."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nI am, though."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>92\n>No they aren't actually.\nYes they are as has been brought up multiple times in this thread. Catholics who join excommunicate themselves in the same way those who kill children through abortion do."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\n>mocks the faith\nNope. And you're not inspiring any faith in the character of Catholics. But i suspect that might also have been your purpose.\n>believes he has some secret knowledge of it\nNope. Not at all."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>94\n>They cannot partake in communion while in a state of grave sin, they can only go through the motions.\nSomeone should write down all of these crazy rules into a book, so that we can keep track of them."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>52\n>>67\n>>70\nThis and their involvement in Propaganda Due (P2) with direct ties to the Mafia.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\n>This and their involvement in Propaganda Due\nThat involvement being to outlaw them, you mean?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're in bad company in this site. Haven't you notice that before?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nSorry about that, rabbi"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nYou should feel sorry. It is your future."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause salvation is through us. G's us."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do evil people like an evil book?\n>Something doesn't add up..."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon’t believe everything you read on the internet. Including this post."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this accurate /his/?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are so many right-wing neopagans like survive the jive such devout monarchists?\n\nIt’s like\n> yes kings were the ones responsible for England converting to Christianity and abandoning paganism\n> yes another English king was responsible for the Protestant reformation which was also anti-pagan\n> yes the only German people who ever strongly stood up to Christianity (continental Saxons) were known not to have kings\n\nBut I’m pro-monarchist because muh pagan tradition [of getting screwed over by kings]. Like what the fuck? Can someone just please explain."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe’s monarchist because he’s english and that’s how his country works. They have had bad experiences with republicanism in the past and the people currently advocating for it tend to be bad. So, it’s not a religious thing.\nMost pagans elsewhere are not particularly fond of monarchism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere were kings before Christianity even existed. But I get what you're saying. Monarchists who believe in those ideologies need to grow the fuck up and realize what side the old nobility is on."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n\nI’m an atheist so no bias. I just found some of the extreme devotion I’ve seen neopagans show on Twitter for King Charles III funny. I don’t even see Christians doing this."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey're retards"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>some of the extreme devotion I’ve seen neopagans show on Twitte\nTime to live in the real world, buddy. Seriously."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Kingsley was a fervent Anglo-Saxonist,[14] and was seen as a major proponent of the ideology, particularly in the 1840s.[15] He proposed that the English people were \"essentially a Teutonic race, blood-kin to the Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians\".[16] Kingsley suggested there was a \"strong Norse element in Teutonism and Anglo-Saxonism\".\n\n>Mixing mythology and Christianity, he blended Protestantism as it was practised at the time with the Old Norse religion, saying that the Church of England was \"wonderfully and mysteriously fitted for the souls of a free Norse-Saxon race\". He believed the ancestors of Anglo-Saxons, Norse and Germanic peoples had physically fought beside the god Odin, and that the British monarchy was genetically descended from the god.[17]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause all right wing ideology is just a cope for landlords and people who want to suck them off."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPagans are liberals. Opposite of right wing. But, the monarchy was pagan prior to Christianity, so."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nyou're not going to be Stalin, tankie; you're going to be purged and your family will be purged too"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would you do?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTake the raccoon and return to Europe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTeach her the Glory of Christ so her soul may escape the twisted grasp of the demonic spirits that have engulfed her ancestors and have her soul be the first of her people into God's Heaven."}, {"id": 4, "content": "pretend the raccoon's name is Hontas"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsk for more raccoons"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nBased fur trader"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nHeh"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCough in her face and doom their civilization."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n\ngrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nELLO, DO YOU KNOW WHERE DE TAJ MAHAL IS?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I thought the beginning was trash but I kept reading because of the memes. Imagine my surprise when I found out that the writing got good after the writer left and the artist took over the story, lol."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsir this is /his/ not /a/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSauce?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAjin"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nwhat is the story about?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tumblr\nGet out of /a/.\nWait, this is /his/. In that case carry on then, you'e endemic here."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nImmortal terrorists.\n>>6\nRetarded meme. Not gonna change filenames of random pictures I got off google images to avoid offending your sensibilities."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why the fuck did Hitler accept Japan into the Axis?\n\n>Never helped Germany against the Soviets\n>Invaded Nationalist China which was a German ally and had German military advisors\n>Had no trade with Germany\n>Provided no aid to Germany other than a uranium shipment for research purposes\n>Bombed Pearl Habor and dragged the Americans into the war, giving them a casus belli against Germany\nWhat was the point?\nItaly was a useless ally... Japan actually hindered the German war effort. It was a net negative."}, {"id": 2, "content": "he was a retard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"As an AI language model, I cannot speculate on Hitler's personal motivations or thought processes. However, it is worth noting that Hitler saw Japan as a powerful ally that could help him achieve his goal of establishing a dominant position in the world. Additionally, he viewed Japan as a useful partner in his efforts to combat the spread of communism, which he saw as a significant threat to his ideology and worldview.\n\nWhile it is true that Japan's actions may have hindered the German war effort in some ways, it is important to remember that Hitler had a complex and often erratic strategic vision. He may have believed that Japan's overall contribution to the Axis powers outweighed any negative impact their actions had on the war effort. Ultimately, the decision to accept Japan into the Axis was likely influenced by a wide range of factors, and it is difficult to point to a single reason why Hitler made this choice.\"\n\nHal says because he is complex."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>important to remember that Hitler had a complex and often erratic strategic vision"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\ntl;dr - He was a retard"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWell... yes."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI was expecting a little more pushback from weeaboos... but I guess we all agree Japan added nothing to the Axis."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was about location. Squeezing out USA & China."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nAdolf Hitler accepted Japan into the Axis alliance primarily because he saw Japan as a useful ally in his goal of expanding Germany's power and influence globally.\n\nIn the years leading up to World War II, Japan had also been aggressively expanding its empire in Asia, which aligned with Hitler's own expansionist goals. Additionally, Japan's military prowess and access to resources in Asia were seen as valuable assets to the Axis powers.\n\nFurthermore, Hitler was interested in forming a global alliance of like-minded nations that would be able to challenge the existing world order and assert their dominance. By including Japan in the Axis alliance, Hitler hoped to create a strong front against the Allied powers, which were led by the United States, Great Britain, and the Soviet Union.\n\nOverall, Hitler saw Japan as a strategic partner in his ambitions for world domination, and Japan's own goals of expanding its empire and securing resources aligned with the interests of the Axis powers"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n\nAI answer:\n>Longest reply\n>Doesnt provide with an answer\n>\"It's complicated\".\n\nOP should ask himself what other Axis allies were useful to Germany instead of tunnel-vision on Japan."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n\nGermany basically allied or befriended anyone who was willing to be their ally or partner.\nIt was looking for recognition and other rogue states that were prepared to challenge the current western world order and oppose communism.\n\nThe alliance with Japan pretty much didnt exist in practice, so allying Japan meant absolutely nothing and it wouldnt have changed anything if they werent allies. USA would still have found a way to enter the European war after the Japanese attack, ally or not."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nMy ans was a different AI and much better."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nCommunism was not that important at the time. It was more about Good vs Evil global domination. Commies are evil themselves and originally allied with Hitler before switching."}, {"id": 14, "content": "They all were in cahoots with each other you gullible bozos. History isn't a storyline"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US was already \"in\" the war, it supplied the UK and attacked German U-boats when needed, but that strays away from the topic. It was Germany that declared war on the US, not the other way around. Japan's contribution to the \"Axis\" war effort was significant - taking the resources of SE Asia from the Brits and diverting resources from the European front. I put Axis in \" \" because it's not a true alliance, they \"allied\" because they faced the same enemies and they didn't face the same enemies (US) because they were \"allied\". It wasn't planned, but rather an alliance of circumstance - f.e. Germans initially supported China, wanted to allign itself the UK(no reason to war with them if your goal is going east), etc.\nAlso, one shouldn't forget that WW2 was a series of separate wars and not one war, unlike WW1. It's end, the unconditional capitulations of defeated countries is also something not common in history (of great power wars)."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>. It was Germany that declared war on the US, not the other way around.\n\nOnly after USA declared war on Japan."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Also, one shouldn't forget that WW2 was a series of separate wars and not one war, unlike WW1\n\nhow so?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nOnly after the attack on Pearl Harbor and Japanese declaration of war on the US. The articles of Tripartite Pact didn't obligate the signatories to declare war if they started the war. It doesn't even matter, the US would've joined the European war anyway and at atleast now you can openly attack their convoys."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Why the fuck did Hitler accept Italy into the Axis?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>Second Sino-Japanese war.\n>Great Patriotic war.\nBoth wars put in the larger term of WW2 even though opposing belligerents of WW2 aren't necessarily engaged them.\nGermany and Italy didn't participate in the Second Sino_japanese war and Japan didn't participate in the Great Patriotic war. Contrast that with WW1 where joining the war meant declaring war on whole enemy alliance.\nThat's just my opinion on the matter."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThat one makes more sense. Back when Germany was only beginning its campaign of expansion, Italy was powerful enough that they could have thrown a wrench into it. Anschluss with Austria was a turning point, Mussolini didn't like it at all, but France and Britain had already alienated Italy by condemning its invasion of Ethiopia."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause the \"axis\" was a press release retard it was just a nonaggression pact."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nI never heard of the great patriotic war????"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIt's the German-Soviet war. Russians use the term Great Patriotic war rather than WW2.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Patriotic_War_(term)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nIve never heard about any of this."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nI feel like a retard.\n>Also, one shouldn't forget that WW2 was a series of separate wars and not one war, unlike WW1\nI guess this is common knowledge,mb."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\n>>18\n\nYep, the German declaration of war on the US kinda \"makes sense\" because USA was supplying the USSR indefinitely with war material and the US was protecting British convoys and stationed troops on British military bases so Britain could use their garrison soldiers at the front instead.\nUSA was already committed to the war. Their commitment had already placed Germany in a fight they couldn't win, not on the eastern front and not against the British.\nDeclaring war on the US was a formality of the existing situation, except now Germany could also target US shipping which actually brought German submarines a major advantage for a short time.\n\nOne should also consider the fact that by the time the US had begun their military campaign in continental Europe 1943, the German war effort was largely already lost and they were in full retreat on all fronts.\n\nThe biggest \"mistake\" was probably the tremendous suffering of German civilians from the US formally entering the war."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe did not \"accept Japan into the Axis\". They cooperated in menacing the Soviets. Their war against the Allies was launched to exploit the European theater, but it was never coordinated in any way. After Japan entered the war against the Allies, its communication lines with Germany were severed and they couldn't coordinate even if they wanted to - not that there would be much point.\n>>Bombed Pearl Habor and dragged the Americans into the war, giving them a casus belli against Germany\nUhhh, that would actually be when Germany declared war on the US themselves, retard. Why does America need a CB when you fucking attack them? LMAO"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>10\nThe answer it gives is because Japan also contributed massively to the war effort by distracting the UK and Americans, which is correct - of course.\nIt is obnoxious how they use the maximum possible tokens to spit out an answer. This is why you should start working with the API directly instead of using the chat interface."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\nBecause he would otherwise have literally zero allies in the war besides shithole Balkan countries. The Italians successfully secured North Africa and bought the Axis a lot of time. The Allies had to fight all the way up Italy.\nAdditionally, you underestimate Mussolini and his ego. He would have been happy to side with the Allies against the Axis."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Bombed Pearl Habor and dragged the Americans into the war, giving them a casus belli against Germany\nGermany already felt that the U.S. was fighting an undeclared war against them. They declared war on the U.S. following Pearl Harbor to split the American forces while also freeing up the Kriegsmarine from operational restrictions. What Hitler didn't expect, however, was that the United States would treat Germany as its primary enemy rather than Japan."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>This is why you should start working with the API directly instead of using the chat interface.\nOkay, how do I do that?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe nips had been dunking on the ruskies for centuries. They were good trading partners and allies because they were fighting the commie chinks"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nAnyone fighting the communists was in t axis. Italy and Spain had their own commie uprisings that the fascists squashed therefore they were part of the chad fashy crew"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nThe commie chinks were isolated on the mountains what the fuck are you talking about?"}, {"id": 36, "content": "iirc the Japanese were trying to cut off the lend-lese supply lines going in through the Indian ocean. If successful it would have been a big hindrance to supplying the Soviets as well as help the Axis win in the middle-east and north-africa"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Because he was inspired by mussolini, he came into power only 10 years after him. Also italy could have been useful in a few years, they gave a lot in their ethiopian and spanish wars and weren't ready\n\nAlthought mussolini was a retard who thought making more tanks and planes was not necessary and the heart of soldiers would suffice"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do southern europeans have nigger Y-dna?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "REMINDER that the MRCA of E-M78 is calculated to be from 11.200 BC. Which means just about the start of the neolithic Med and Arab women were fucking BBC"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nE-V13 is from EEF."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>>2\n\nSo EEF were mulattoes?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "that's basaloid ydna"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nisnt it obvious"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI will never understand people obsession with haplogroup"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEEF Somalis gave them a taste of the BBC. ."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Mutt post"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nNot to mention E-V13 is native to Europe and not found in North Africa."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nEEF are middle eastern migrants. Not natives."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "They are not even Germanic"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt has one of the largest German diasporas."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It has a very nice climate and cute twinks."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mostly White/European descent\n>Nice weather\n>Nice food\n>Lots of Nazi sympathisers\n>Saved them from getting executed"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are white"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nLotta beef money still floating around at the time, so people thought that Argentina was going to really blow up as the future of LatAm.\nTurned out that staking your entire economy on cattle puts you in a shit spot for the next century."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nProbably rooted for the nation that he spent his last years in."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "should the history curriculum be re-centered on true center"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInternet commenters are the lowest form of human. Redditors are the lowest form of internet commenter"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Murder is litterally the most natural thing there is. Making it legal would allow society to let it out of their system. Wars would decrease drastically. Plus most normal people wouldn't do it anyway."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBump"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbortion is already legal."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When did sex become considered a privilege that is earned instead of a daily part of life no different than eating or sleeping? I'm old enough to remember a time when everyone got laid, even the weird or ugly people. Homicidally desperate men like Elliot Rodger were unheard of not long ago."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When did sex become considered a privilege that is earned instead of a daily part of life no different than eating or sleeping?\nTinder"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhen we stopped swinging in the trees and living in the moment, and came up with these distractions meant to smash our souls into the ground and be forgotten like the entire concept of civilization itself."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When did sex become considered a privilege that is earned\n\nThe absolute incelry of this opener."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou know what he mean though."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo outside and see that it still is. Most people get married, most people have kids - ugly and beautiful, charming and irritating. The only change is that more people feel free not to be forced into relationships they don't want, so to some it feels as if they have had something they feel they have a right to (marriage and sex) taken from them.\n\nFor the vast majority of people, sex isn't a privilege and is just part of life - a thing to do for fun or as part of a relationship or for money, as it always has been. You are just part of a bitter and insular subculture convinced to feel aggrieved with women rather than with the society that has deprived you of any chance to do anything meaningful with your life."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Most people get married, most people have kids\nThis is objectively not true."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI don't know what he means. Sex was never free for starters and animals and men always competed for mates.\n\nIf you can't compete then too bad."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen you got old"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Its amazing to see the condition this is in. From the 11th century. its so beautiful"}, {"id": 2, "content": "We'd have a lot more if the Frogs didn't chimp out and destroy everything during their revolution."}, {"id": 3, "content": "William 2 never married, and had no illegitimate children; he was surrounded by what the chroniclers called ‘effeminates’ with mincing step and extravagant costume; they wore their hair long like women, letting it tumble down in ringlets that had been curled by crisping-irons; the lamps of the court were put out at night so that unnatural sins might be committed under cover of darkness."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We have seen many examples of whites integrating into black culture, particularly in the colonial new world but also more recently in Europe. Is it an example of willing acculturation which transcends the boundaries of race?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe media portrays nigger culture as cool because blacks are the biggest materialistic brainlets there are, plus jews hate white people\n\n>ooga booga me want escalade and henessee"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nInteresting theory, got an article to back it up? I'd love to read more."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere'll come a day where a world without boundaries will allow the free trade of culture and the infinite growth of humanity. Baron Samesi is pretty cool"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVoodoo is very overrated, I prefer Palo Mayombe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>plus jews hate white people\n>Literally assimilates into them outside of Europe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Zheng Chenggong, the Asian Pyrrhus of Epirus"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nuggo statue, as usual they can't do art"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Behind me stands a wall that encircles the free sectors of this city, part of a vast system of barriers that divides the entire continent of Europe. . . . Standing before the Brandenburg Gate, every man is a German, separated from his fellow men. Every man is a Berliner, forced to look upon a scar. . . . As long as this gate is closed, as long as this scar of a wall is permitted to stand, it is not the German question alone that remains open, but the question of freedom for all mankind. . . .\nGeneral Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate.\nMr. Gorbachev, open this gate!\nMr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTEAR IT DOWN\n\nDEATH TO COMMUNISM"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nClay Shaw."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\nThis is the Brazilian immigration card of Clay Shaw, the man who ordered Lee Harvey Oswald to kill President John F. Kennedy. This man belonged to the precursor of the World Trade Centers Association (of the 9/11 Twin Towers), called Centro Mondiale Commerciale (better known as Permindex). The CMC was founded by a Hungarian Jew named George Mandel who had deep connections with Israel and the Mossad. A primary shareholder in Permindex was the Banque De Credit International of Geneva, founded by Tibor Rosenbaum, an arms procurer and financier for the Mossad. That bank was used by Mafia Boss Meyer Lansky to launder hot money. The Chairman of the Board at Permindex was Louis Bloomfield, a Canadian Jew and close associate of Edgar Bronfman. His father Samuel Bronfman was a bootlegging partner of Lewis Rosenstiel and the Mafia during the Prohibition of Alcohol in US, his brother Charles Bronfman is one of the founders of the Mega Group, a coalition of Jewish billionaires with links to Mossad and the Mafia syndicate led by Meyer Lansky, who who blackmailed J. Edgar Hoover and was a great contributor/agent of the ADL (less known as B'nai B'rith, but not as unknown as their fellow Knights of the Golden Circle, who are better known as the Ku Klux Klan). Edgar Bronfman also had long standing connections with the Rothschilds dating back before WWII. Les Wexner, another founding member of the Mega Group, donated his Manhattan mansion to Jeffrey Epstein, which became the center of his blackmail operations."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nme"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nClay Shaw was named Knight of the Order of the Crown of Belgium after WW2 and his address book was filled with members of the European Nobility, including the Princess Anne Jacqueline de Riquet de Caraman-Chimay. The Chimay family was implicated in Belgium's pedophile ring (Dutroux Affair), accused of organizing sick child-hunts on their vast estate. Dutroux Affair documents named Abrasax as the name of the highest cult order. An allegedly satanic sect called the Process Church of the Final Judgment was incorporated into the US by Tommy Baumler, who was a defense witness of Clay Shaw during his trial in New Orleans, the same place where the Church of the Process was incorporated in the US before moving to California and the reopening of the investigation of the JFK Assassination by Jim Garrison against Clay Shaw took place. One of the members of Process Church was Charles Manson, who claimed to be Abrasax. Manson claimed that Roman Polanski and other Hollywood stars, who were also connected to Process Church, made Snuff Films and Child Pornography. The term \"Snuff Films\" btw comes from Ed Sanders' book \"The Family: The Story of Charles Manson's Dune Buggy Attack Battalion\"."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLee Harvey Oswald was a friend of Barry Seal, who was a drug smuggler for the Medellin Cartel in Colombia and was a figure in the Iran-Contra Nicaragua affair. Mexico is today what Colombia and the Caribbean was in the 70s/80s/90s. The book \"Hand of Death\" by Max Call recounts the story of Henry Lee Lucas, a serial killer who told authorities he was a hit man for a alleged politically connected satanic cult. Lucas indicates he was told Lee Harvey Oswald had been a member of the cult, and there are reasons to believe this: (a) Lucas said the cult had a paramilitary training camp in the Florida Everglades, this is where CIA was operating paramilitary training camps for Cuban exiles, and former CIA agent Marita Lorenz testified under oath to seeing Oswald at one of these camps; (b) Another Oswald friend, David Ferrie, who trained Cubans for the Bay of Pigs Invasion, allegedly told a girlfriend of Oswald's that he was connected to satanic cults and displayed a ring with a demonic face, Lucas said Hand of Death members wore rings with demonic faces; (c) Lucas said the Hand of Death was based in Mexico, where Oswald is reported to have made a visit, still shrouded in mystery, in the fall of 1963."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIn fact, Lucas' accomplice in the officially-acknowledged killing spree, a man named Ottis Toole, confirmed his allegations about the Hand of Death cult, providing detailed descriptions of their rituals, and telling chronicler Sondra London that he was born into a family that had been involved with black witchcraft for generations. Toole also revealed, quite interestingly, that he'd visited the Process Church of the Final Judgment in New Orleans! Following a sojourn to (you guessed it) Mexico, they arrived in the U.S. where they were incorporated in New Orleans with the assistance of attorney Tommy Baumler, who belonged to the same CIA-associated circle as Shaw, Ferrie, and Oswald, and later interviewed by the D.A.'s investigators in connection with the Kennedy plot. Small world, isn't it?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe same guys that were involved in the Kennedy Assassination, Dutroux Affair and 9/11 are the same guys that were involved in the Iran Contra affair. You want to know who trained and assisted with this, dig into the Iran Contra affair. Central America/Caribbean politics factor heavily into both conspiracies. David Ferrie, a associate of Clay Shaw, was a agency asset used to funnel the Alpha 66 squad into Nicaragua for training against Castro, when Kennedy didn't want all out war against Castro, the MIL redirected this cell toward JFK. Ferrie was alstrained Cuban militants at the Belle Chasse Naval Station in preparatn Bay of Pigs Invasion, and flew a number of missions over the island. Ferrie was also too attached to a New Orleans detective agency run by Guy Banister, formerly a top-ranking FBI agent who briefly served as Superintendent of the New Orleans Police Department and maintained a cozy relationship with the FBI, as well as the CIA and ONI which regularly used his detective agency as a cover for black operations. Their activities reportedly included arming anticommunist groups in the Caribbean, penetrating \"subversive\" groups on college campuses, and guiding the activities of a young Lee Harvey Oswald, who was according to former employees one of Banister's agents. A serial child molester, Ferrie had been accused by 20+ boys, many of whom had been cadets in his Civil Air Patrol unit. The allegations involved Ferrie's taking nude photos of the boys (i.e. child pornography) and flying them to South America for \"mining expeditions\" (i.e. likely child traffic, with international connections). He was also a professional hypnotist with an extensive library on the subject, and testimony from ex-cadets suggested he was taking these teenagers to Tulane University for \"experiments\". Tulane is documented to have been a hive of MKULTRA-related activities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe CIA was full on supporting the Contras in Nicaragua and their drug/arms trafficking well before that. After the first hostage/arms exchange with Iran, Oliver North found he had a convenient source of black money to funnel to any off the books operations he wanted. One of the arms dealers they worked with on the Iran side was also selling to the Contras, who then sold the arms to gangs in LA (Contras moved most of their drugs and guns through LA). The entire \"Gangsta Rap\" scene of drugs and guns was fueled by the CIA and the Contras. There were several occasions where the DEA wanted to arrest Contra-connected druglords but were told to back off by higher ups. Iran-Contra deserves attention because you can see a direct line between IC and the modern day American police state. Police militarization was a direct effect of the guns and drugs the Contras moved into the US. The CIA and Sinaloa (formerly Guadalajara) Cartel have a long partnership. In the 80s, the CIA was using Guadalajara Cartel ranch with airstrip to train Contras and drug profits to arm them. This was done under the supervision of infamous CIA operative Felix Rodriguez. After DEA Agent Kiki Camarena refused bribes the rest of his DEA office took, he found and busted a marijuana plantation in the desert belonging to the Guadalajara Cartel, and CIA operative Felix Rodriguez began to worry Kiki Camarena was investigating the Guadalajara Cartel ranch where the Contras were training. So Felix Rodriguez orchestrated and oversaw the horrific kidnapping/torture/murder of Kiki Camarena. El Chapo at that time worked in the clean-up crew disposing bodies for the Guadalajara Cartel and interacted with Felix Rodriguez in this murder. This was all revealed in a docu-series The Last Narc, featuring the DEA Chief of the Pacific whose investigation was suppressed and he was sidelined."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nCIA operative Felix Rodriguez is cuban btw, he was in the Bay Of Pigs disaster with Ferrie, worked with the Nazi Klaus Barbie to hunt down Che Guevara, was best buds with George HW Bush, who was secret CIA as Zapata Oil and connected with the JFK assassination and later elevated to CIA Head, so Felix Rodriguez likely was one of the snipers or oversaw the cuban sniper team."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nA former employee of infamous Lawrence King of the Franklin pedophile ring who admitted serving as a photographer at child-sex parties stated that he saw King deliver a suitcase of cash to Michael Aquino, and that King told him the cash was to be directed to the Nicaraguan Contras through Oliver North's Citizens for America, and a witness reportedly placed North at one of King's parties, who were being backed by the CIA. Michael Aquino was associated with CIA, NSA, and the U.S. Army's psychological warfare service, as well as a member of the American Security Council's advisory board along with a host of top FBI, CIA, and Pentagon hawks. Throughout much of the 1980s, Aquino was at the center of a controversy involving the Pentagon's acquiescence to outright Satanic practices inside the military services. Aquino was also a prime suspect in a series of pedophile scandals involving the sexual abuse of hundreds of children, including the children of military personnel serving at the Presidio U.S. Army station in the San Francisco Bay Area. On February 5, 1999, in U.S. District Court in Lincoln, Nebraska, an extraordinary hearing occurred in Paul A. Bonacci v. Lawrence E. King, a civil action in which the plaintiff charged that he had been ritualistically abused by the defendant, as part of a nationwide pedophile ring linked to powerful political figures in Washington and to elements of the U.S. military and intelligence establishment. Three weeks later, on February 27, Judge Warren K. Urbom ordered King, who is currently in Federal prison, to pay $1 million in damages to Bonacci, in what Bonacci's attorney John DeCamp said was a clear signal that \"the evidence presented was credible.\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nDuring the February 5 hearing, Noreen Gosch stunned the court with sworn testimony linking U.S. Army Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (ret.) to the nationwide pedophile ring. Her son, Johnny, then 12 years old, was kidnapped off the streets of West Des Moines, Iowa on September 5, 1982, while he was doing his early-morning newspaper deliveries. Since his kidnapping, she has devoted all of her time and resources to finding her son, and to exposing the dangers that millions of children in American face from this hideous, literally Satanic underground of ritualistic deviants.\n\n\"We have investigated, we have talked to so far 35 victims of this said organization that took my son and is responsible for what happened to Paul, and they can verify everything that has happened,\" she told the court.\n\n\"What this story involves is an elaborate function, I will say, that was an offshoot of a government program. The MK-Ultra program was developed in the 1950s by the CIA. It was used to help spy on other countries during the Cold War because they felt that the other countries were spying on us.\n\n\"It was very successful. They could do it very well.\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThen, the Aquino bombshell: \"Well, then there was a man by the name of Michael Aquino. He was in the military. He had top Pentagon clearances. He was a pedophile. He was a Satanist. He's founded the Temple of Set. And he was a close friend of Anton LaVey. The two of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And they deferred funding from this government program to use [in] this experimentation on children.\n\n\"Where they deliberately split off the personalities of these children into multiples, so that when they're questioned or put under oath or questioned under lie detector, that unless the operator knows how to question a multiple-personality disorder, they turn up with no evidence.\"\n\nShe continued: \"They used these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they wish to have control of. This sounds so far out and so bizarre I had trouble accepting it in the beginning myself until I was presented with the data. We have the proof. In black and white.\"\n\nUnder questioning from DeCamp, Gosch reported: \"I know that Michael Aquino has been in Iowa. I know that Michael Aquino has been to Offutt Air Force Base [a Strategic Air Command base, near Omaha, which was linked to King's activities]. I know that he has had contact with many of these children.\"\n\nPaul Bonacci, who was simultaneously a victim and a member of the nationwide pedophile crime syndicate, has subsequently identified Aquino as the man who ordered the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. In his February 5 testimony, Bonacci referred to the mastermind of the Gosch abduction as \"the Colonel.\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nMost Mexican cartels come from the Guadalajara Cartel.\n\n>The birth of most Mexican drug cartels is traced to former Mexican Judicial Federal Police agent Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo (Spanish: El Padrino, lit.'The Godfather'), who founded the Guadalajara Cartel in 1980 and controlled most of the illegal drug trade in Mexico and the trafficking corridors across the Mexico–U.S. border along with Juan García Ábrego throughout the 1980s. He started off by smuggling marijuana and opium into the U.S., and was the first Mexican drug chief to link up with Colombia's cocaine cartels in the 1980s. Through his connections, Félix Gallardo became the person at the forefront of the Medellín Cartel, which was run by Pablo Escobar. This was accomplished because Félix Gallardo had already established a marijuana trafficking infrastructure that stood ready to serve the Colombia-based cocaine traffickers\n\n>There were no other cartels at that time in Mexico. He oversaw operations with his cronies and the politicians who sold him protection. The Guadalajara Cartel suffered a major blow in 1985 when the group's co-founder Rafael Caro Quintero was captured, and later convicted, for the murder of DEA agent Enrique \"Kiki\" Camarena. Félix Gallardo then kept a low profile and in 1987 he moved with his family to Guadalajara. According to Peter Dale Scott, the Guadalajara Cartel prospered largely because it enjoyed the protection of the Dirección Federal de Seguridad (DFS), under its chief Miguel Nazar Haro"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nInitially it was the Israelis who began to beef with him. I believe many mob families wanted him gone as well but they found thejob too sweaty and high risk."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When you woke up this morning why didn't you fear the wrath of God?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause my car is technically an iron chariot."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy experience of the world suggests there's no such thing, simply put. It wouldn't seem right to think that by living my life as best I can I'm dooming myself to some kind of torture - doesn't seem like a thing that ought to happen, and I've never seen any evidence that it does. As far as I know I'm going to die some day and it'll be like falling asleep and never waking up, and that thought doesn't bother me - seems right of everything I've ever seen die."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he doesn't exist"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why didn't you fear the wrath of God?\nYou tell me. Why have the vast majority of people who ever lived not believed in the jew god?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Piloting a Grey Goose is a tough job. Swinging a 25,000 pound heli down to safe touchdown on Seventh Avenue, now that is another thing altogether. Lucky I'm just that damn good."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahweh can suck a cock."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nIf god is omnipotent could he create a chariot he cant destroy?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically, why does political discussion tend to be polarized?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit isn’t tho?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthis\npeople are a monolith\nsega"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Conservatives see a libtard making an asinine point\n>let's mock him with eye opening memes and robust arguments until he/she realises their circular logic\n\nLibtard commie sees any normal person making a completely rational point for better of humanity\n>demand janny to perma-block the person for hate-speech"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So.. are we actually free today?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which God exists? Odin or Zeus?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody in the modern world actually believes either one exists OP. Neopagans are just edgy atheists playing dress up. I used to lurk /asatru/, there was a thread about how they don't actually believe the gods are real they're just \"metaphors\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhatever. At least they're white metaphors and not jewish metaphors. Religion is really about the community and the social capital it creates here on earth. It doesn't matter what sky daddy it uses as window dressing."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nLmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nquintessentially pagan larper post"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>in this moment i am euphoric, not because of any phony god but because i am enlightened by my own whiteness"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot a pagan myself but if someone already believes multiple gods exist why couldn’t they believe Odin and Zeus coexist?\nSource: played Age of Mythology when I was a kid"}, {"id": 8, "content": "According to historians, they're the same.\n\"Sky Father\" is a concept with different names.\nZeus-Pater is the same as Jupiter, is the same as Odin, is the same as Indra, is the same as Baal, is the same as El, etc."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nActual historical pagans generally believed other cultures' gods were the same as their own, eg Zeus = Thor"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermanic \"pagans\" believed other people had their own gods.\n\nGreek \"pagans\" believed other people's gods are versions of their own deities."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nNot a pagan but that's how evolutionary psychology explains religion. If people get value out of worshiping Thor then let them. I'll just say that as an ethnocentric white at least Thor is white."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>evolutionary psychology\nlol"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nThere's certainly a lot of those who see the gods as just archetipes or alegories, but even if Ares is \"just an archetype\" but can still fuck you up if you don't behave, at what point do you \"not believe\"? If you believe a tiger will fuck you up, but can be kept at bay by offering it food or just putting distance between you and it, you still \"believe\" in the tiger. The idea that a God has to be this omnipresent boogeyman that will fuck you up over incredibly minor things that you can't even perceive is just simply not how historical pagans saw their Gods. It's not even how Christians historically saw their God. It's a weird strawman that Christians adopt in these debates, where they assume that if the non-Christian doesn't act Christian, then they're not \"real\". No shit non-Christians don't act Christian, they aren't Christian.\n\nAristotle's theology placed the Gods as the Prime Movers (plural, there's more than one) that move the planets in the sky. Does that mean that Aristotle doesn't \"believe in Zeus\" even though Zeus literally causes phenomena to occur, and can be interacted with? If so, then how is that any different from what Aquinas does? Are the angels, who he attributes to the Prime Movers, \"not real\"? Is God then \"not real\"?\n\nThis is to say nothing of the Stoics and Platonists, both of whom have a radically different idea of what constitutes the divine than \"Chris Hemsworth running around doing stuff\". And this doesn't even touch on the \"Allegorists\", such as Heraclitus (no relation to the Flux Master), who argued that yes, the Gods were essentially just Jungian archetypes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nIndra isn't the sky-father, Indra is the thunderer\nHe is not Zeus, he is Heracles\nHe is not Odin, he is Thor\nHe is Baal, but he is not El"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThat is one big pseudo-spiritual rant that ignores the fact that ideas aren't beings\n>dude, this god is like a metaphor for this concept!\nThen it's not real, being upset at mommy for making you go to church on sundays won't change that\n>you still \"believe\" in the tiger\nIs the tiger a metaphor?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>ideas aren't beings\nwhere did I claim they are ?\n\n>pseudo-spiritual\nyou have a pretty childish understanding of spirituality and psychology\n\n>Then it's not real,\nEVEN IF Ares is \"just an archetype\" but CAN still fuck you up if you don't behave... to what extent it isn't real even if it's understood through metaphor and archetypes\n\n>Is the tiger a metaphor?\nhave you under 6th grade reading abilities ?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>*calls out someone for not being great at English*\n>\"have you under 6th grade reading abilities\"\nNot him but I had to point out the irony lmao"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>the fact that ideas aren't beings\nThey are entities, made up of neurons, that reproduce. How are they not beings exactly?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSATVRNVS REIGNS"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nthat covers exactly two of the seven traits all life has"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nWay to only view religions through your specific religious belief. Without even knowing who you are, I simply know you're an American evangelical/catholarper"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth were only traditionally worshipped by rich nobles or warrior fanatics who controlled religion only for themselves, so I don't really give a damn.! Zeus won't throw a lightning bolt for me, and Odin would simply ignore me. The beliefs of Pagans aren't like the blind faith of Christians in an Omni-God, nor are the practices the same. Christianity did one good thing for Pagans over time. Paganism is no longer just for the State and the rich 'Nobles' of the world. One monstrous betrayal from them was quite enough!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nChristians 500 years ago believed Eve really ate the apple. Today they believe it is a metaphor"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\ni am 500 years ago"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOdin, Jove, Brahma, and even the Great Mumbo Jumbo all exist/don't exist in the same way. They're all various cultures attempts to interpret the divine in ways that make sense to them. The same as Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, etc."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Odin or Zeus\nY e s ."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey both exist because they are disguises of Satan."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>11\nImagine thinking Jesus isn't white. What are you, a black israelite?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nEven God is a disguise of Satan\n>Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)\n>Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)\n\nSatan is the true ruler of reality. Why do you think the elites worship him?"}, {"id": 30, "content": "The Norse equivalent to Zeus is Thor. Odin is Hermes."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nYeshua Ben Yosef was a Semite that spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. Only schizophrenics think Jesus was an Indo -European."}, {"id": 32, "content": "HELP Zeus kidnapped my pretty boy son and gave me some horses as if that is a good trade???"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nakshually IESVS CHRISTVS was the son of the Aryan Sky God Dyeus Ph2ter."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nCope. Aryans are not referred to as rabbis like Jesus is. (Forgive me if you're being sarcastic otherwise kys)"}, {"id": 35, "content": "All of them."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>2\nChristians are the same way. If you get down enough into Christian apologetics it's clear they don't literally believe in Yahweh, the God of the OT, but some sort of vague Platonic monad. Christians are closer to pantheists than monotheists."}, {"id": 37, "content": "What kind of history board is this. Has no one ever read any kind of ancient text? Ancient people believed they all exist and that foreign gods were either their gods under a different name or or could be assimilated into their pantheon.\n\nAlso Odin is not equated with Zeus he is the Norse Hermes/mercury"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey both do probably. Any deities derived an Indo-European source are also probably just different names for the same deities -- different cultural expressions of the same thing. Seems that way to me anyway.\n>>2\nPlenty of people do. I do I think. I had a casual interest in the subject (historical paganism, mostly Germanic) for a while but I wasn't interested in practicing it for various reasons. However, recently I made a sort of desperate plea, a prayer to them for guidance in my life. I figured I'd try because why not? In the coming days and weeks I started having these bizarre coincidences that I couldn't rationally explain and all this good luck. Seems to have worked so I guess I'll explore further. Have to say it's maybe the only time in my life where I've prayed (grew up Christian) and actually seen tangible results. Believe it or don't, doesn't matter to me just thought I'd reply.\n>>3\nThere's truth to this utilitarian line of thinking too even if religion is/was BS."}, {"id": 39, "content": "I'm not a neopagan nor pagan at all but the gods are very real, here in 4chan, Eris reigns with her ugly face sending anons to battle each other over inane faggotry"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>9\nDoub it\n\nI've read several Egyptian texts that portray Amun/Ra/Osiris (depending on the text) as the unique God, the True God, the King of the Gods, the strongest and greatest of the Gods, as the only one worthy of worship. The same view is shared by the Avesta for Ahura Mazda, by the Rig Veda for Indra, and by the Enuma Elish for Marduk/Ashur (depending on the text)\n\nThis idea that all the Gods are the same is basically a larpagan take born out of the Western liberal dogma of absolute equality (all humans are the same, all cultures are the same, all gender are the sames)."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>31\nive seen Catholics argue Jesus spoke Latin."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThat's henotheism, a kind of interstadium between poly- and monotheism if you will"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\nThis was a phenomenon typical of the greek and roman cultures. Middle eastern polytheism, specially in its early form, was exclusionary and personalistic (opposed to the naturalistic/pantheistic nature of European polytheism), not having anything similar to interpretatio until the hellenistic period. With celts, germans and most other euro-aryan religions, we do t really know due to the lack of documentation previous to roman contact. With hinduism, I don’t know."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>exclusionary and personalistic\ncould you explain what you mean by that"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\nFunny how discordianism is mostly practiced by discord trannies nowadays. Really makes you think."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nExclusionary = attempts to exclude the importance of other deities, but not to the point of being monotheistic. In technical terms, henotheistic.\nPersonalistic as in those figures being complete cultural constructions with few references to a natural phenomenon, possibly being deified people (controversial and a somewhat outdated view in academia, I think)This classification is obviously flawed to analise mesopothamian religions by themselves because it derives from theological notions developed by the romans by estabilishment the notion of a natural religion with Varro, though."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nBasically, if you worshipped Canaanite paganism you couldn't worship the Hebrew pantheon and viceverse. If you worshipped god(s) A you could not venerate B.\nPersonalistic I have no idea what he means.\nBecause all qualities I could assign to Semitic/ME gods that are \"personalistic\" are also assignable to the greco-roman gods (to be fair the Greek pantheon has a lot of Eastern influence not present in westward pantheons."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\nironically, Christians believe Odin and Zeus actually exist (or existed), but were simply fallen angels or euhemerized human beings and not accurately described as \"gods\" because there's only one God"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nI don't think its entirely impossible some gods or mythical heroes might have begun as important people who got mythified with time."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nYes, but Roman theologians went out of the way to remove that from the “real” creed. Folklorical tales and mythfied heroes were delegated to the realm of mythical and civil religion, which were recognized as “social constructs” or allegories even back then, while natural religion was the actual attempt at deciphering the divine. Main source for this is the aforementioned Varro, but also mentioned by others like Cicero, Javolenus and Celsus."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>>47\nIn that case how in the world were ancient near eastern religions exclusionary\ncould you provide some examples so I understand the thought process\nAs for them being personalistic, again I have to disagree. Dumuzi was spring and rebirth personalised, Nisaba and Ninurta grain and harvest deities (the latter also war). Hell, An = sky, Enlil = wind and air. Granted deities like Marduk are far harder to tie to natural phenomena, but that is a later semitic deitiy and (purely?) Akkadian in influence"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>23\nBut I believe that today, and so does every other Christian I know"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>In that case how in the world were ancient near eastern religions exclusionary\nIf you were from Ur or whatever, you only worshipped Ishtar. If you were from Ashur, though, you could only worship their city deity. Each city state recognized the existence of the other gods, but refused them. This explanation is more allegorical than correct, by the way. I don’t quite remember which deity was worshipped in each city and I’m pretty sure Ashur/Assyria was an outlier to this system. It also pesked in the Bronze Age, slowly declining through the Iron Age and finally dying off in the hellenistic period."}, {"id": 54, "content": "Pagan here. Both exist. The ancient pagan Greeks thought or would say today that both are Zeus. But it's more nuanced, the truth. Both are separate identities but the role is the same. So in a way, they are actually both Zeus. Gods don't have physical bodies they are spirit."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nCompletely untrue. Each city had multiple temples to multiple deities, ranging from massive complexes + ziggurats to small shrines. Personal names reflect this general polytheism too, with inhabitants of one city having widely different theophoric elements in their name. Even the Assyrians, who led a state that aggressively pushed state religion and Aššur-worship in conquered territories, had in multiple instances kings with names mentioning Sîn, Ninurta, etc (Sennacherib, Tukulti-Ninurta). In earlier times, kings would dedicate gifts and monuments to local deities in conquered cities, not just their personal deities or capital's god (though those often were at the forefront). It was polytheism in its purest sense, and only in later times did it morph into henotheistic Marduk-worship in Babylon; the theory that the Old Babylonian religious situation was henotheistic is based on Marduk being named \"Enlil of his land\" in one text, which does not necessarily mean the other gods were identified with him, since Enlil was the head of the active pantheon in other regions, meaning it could just be referring to his dethronement by the local Babylonian patron in the land of Babylon (this corroborated by the later Enuma Elish, wherein he receives the \"enlilship\" in heaven)"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>but the role is the same.\nbrainlet take, typical larpagan post"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>40\nThat is a complete misinterpretation, those gods are still believed to have equivalents in other cultures. Ahura Mazda is Zeus, as is Amun-Ra, Alexander identified himself as the son of both as they are understood to be the same deity. Only Jews considered their monolatrous deity to be inherently distinct from the deities of other cultures."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nOdin wasn't even a deity until the 3rd or 4th century AD at the earliest, and even then not among the southern and eastern Germanics"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly Ukko exists. Rest of \"gods\" are just His alter egos."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nOdin traces to the Proto-Germanic *Wodanaz and is described by Roman authors from the earliest point of contact with Germanics. There is no evidence for Germanic religion drastically changing within the time of the historical record."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n(C)ukko isn't real. Baal is real."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\nMarduk-worship is a very, VERY late development in Ancient Mesopotamian religion, a quasi-monotheistic view is already present in the earliest of texts regarding the Annunaki, which are the \"Children of Anu\", a supreme Sky-Father creator deity which delegated governorship of the various aspects of creation to his children such as Enki and Enlil and so forth,\nI hesitate to use the words \"henotheism\" or \"monolatry\" to refer to this theological perspective, because those words refer to exclusive worship of a given divinity without reference to his position vis-a-vis other divinities; for example, a Vestal Virgin is an exclusive devotee of the Roman goddess Vesta, but by no means believes that other gods don't exist or are inferior or superior beings, or are supernatural beings that aren't definable as gods, or whathaveyou."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nThe earliest attestation of Odin or an equivalent name in the archaeological record is a coin dating from the 450s AD with the inscription \"I am Odin's man\", but does not necessarily indicate that Odin is a god.\nThere is speculation that Tacitus described \"Odin\" as \"Mercury\" in his Germania, but we really have to take the word of Romans with a grain of salt"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nLinguistic evidence confirms the existence of Odin as a god to the Proto-Germanic period with little doubt, and there is no reason to doubt the Mercury identification which remains consistent for centuries. This interpretation is confirmed beyond doubt by the Germanics themselves translating the Roman Dies mercuri as Wodinas dag, which is now Wednesday in English. How will you weasel your way out of that one?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>linguistic evidence\nhow do you have linguistic evidence of a people who didn't have a writing system until the 3rd century AD and whose literate chroniclers were from foreign countries that didn't give a rat's ass about trying to write down their words?\n>How will you weasel your way out of that one?\nCan you point out the approximate date of the Germanic adoption of Roman days of the week?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>how do you have linguistic evidence of a people who didn't have a writing system until the 3rd century AD\nThe comparative method, the Proto-Germanic language is fully reconstructed and many resources are available to study it. Besides that, runes are far older and there are probable PG inscriptions from far before that date.\n>Can you point out the approximate date of the Germanic adoption of Roman days of the week?\nConsensus is that it was done in Proto-West Germanic and that Old Norse calqued the weekdays separately, meaning at the absolute latest it would be the fall of the Western Roman Empire, but likely earlier. In fact, it is logical that at least some Germanics would've used the Roman calendar from the very beginning of Roman occupation of the Rhineland, and the conventions of translating divine names must necessarily date to the first large-scale language contact."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>the Proto-Germanic language is fully reconstructed\na roundabout way of saying \"totally made up\"\n>consensus\nwhose consensus"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nThe comparative method can be easily applied by any person using public records to check for the soundness of the conclusions drawn. You are free to refer to Biblical Gothic, Old English, etc. to independently verify the processes used, no secret information is involved. If you still wish to reject the entire discipline, the basis for our discussion is removed."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo ancient humans both gods existed\n>but but that makes no sense\nAncient humans never cared once about shit making any sense"}, {"id": 70, "content": "The Romans claimed both the Germanics and Celts worshipped primarily Mercury. I think the idea that all Indo-Europeans worshipped the same Skyfather is overgeneralizing, there's too many counterexamples. Not to mention important distinctions like Greeks/Romans identifying the Sun as male and the moon as female, while the Germanics/Baltics believed the opposite. People are too quick these days to claim all European pages were basically the same."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nObvious sky-father analogues are very clear in bronze-age society, but not on a uniform basis and it varies by era. For example, the Zeus of the Mycenaeans was entirely different from the Zeus of Homer and Hesiod, and the chiefly worshiped deity in authentic Germanic mythology is usually a thunder-god equivalent of Perkwunos like Thor; indeed, Poseidon is frequently the chief deity of the Greek civilizations before 1000 BC. Furthermore, the Proto-Indo-European model of religion does not seem to necessarily be limited to those peoples with Indo-European languages and cultures, and therefore cannot accurately be called strictly Indo-European at all."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMen can create gods with their thoughts. You underestimate the power of thought. It can create beings and situations.\n\nEverything in this world was once a thought. Think about that.\nEverything starts with a thought.\n\n::\n\nNarayana is a Sanskrit name that is composed of two words: \"Nara\" which means man, and \"Ayana\" which means resting place or home. So, the meaning of Narayana is \"the resting place of man\" or \"the home of man\"."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth"}, {"id": 74, "content": "Jesus, Odin, Zeus same guy\n\nhttps://www.vidlii.com/watch?v=huDTH702c02"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nNo. They say opposite things."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>41\nHe lived under the Roman empire in a multilingual region, he might as well could have"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\ntechnically plausible, but I'd sooner believe he spoke Koine Greek from a purely parsimonious stance\nof course, as a Christian, he could have spoke whatever he bloody well pleased, being God"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>67\nWe have attested Proto-Germanic words.\n\n>>67\n>whose consensus\nLiterally every linguist on the planet. The theory accurately predicted new words in the IE Anatolian languages and in Proto-Norse, so I don't know what more you want.\n\n>>65\n>Can you point out the approximate date of the Germanic adoption of Roman days of the week?\nSomewhere between 200AD and 300AD.\n\nSo if you want to argue that there was a one-eyed spear-wielding bird-owning traveler-wizard God who had a name other than Odin in, say, 100AD, and that he just got renamed to \"The furious one\", that's an argument that you could make, but there'd still be a one-eyed spear-wielding bird-owning traveler-wizard God in 100AD, he'd just have one name not in the huge list of names. Which, realistically, is what happened anyways, because we know that the Skyfather's name wasn't \"the furious one\" by rather was *Dyeus Phter. Although it does make sense for him to be named Oðinn given that this names derives from another PIE name for the Skyfather."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nWhoever Odin is, he's not the Sky Father but an entirely different god. The Sky Father is Tyr, but for whatever reason the Germanic peoples saw him as less and less important over time and gave some of his traits to the new god Odin."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nOdin is very clearly a Euhemerized warlord or shaman who altered North-Germanic religious practices after gaining a degree of political control during the Late Roman era, one or two centuries before the collapse of the WRE most likely. I think it's very significant that he is not a recognized divinity among the Visigoths and Ostrogoths (Geats) or Vandals (Wends), who were Thor and Tyr worshipers before their Christianization."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>71\n>Furthermore, the Proto-Indo-European model of religion does not seem to necessarily be limited to those peoples with Indo-European languages and cultures, and therefore cannot accurately be called strictly Indo-European at all\nThe Proto-Indo-Europeans were just part of a broader Eurasian Steppe culture that also spawned the Turks and the Mongols, who all originally worshipped the blue sky as their chief god. The only difference was the PIEs seem to have had a strict priest/scholar caste that some of them retained."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>27\nThis but yahweh is also satan (Jesus was the son of a higher god)"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>37\n>Has no one ever read any kind of ancient text?\nHalf this board can barely read 4chin posts"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nyeah but the early Semites and Sumerians (and to a much lesser extent, Egyptians) had Sky-Fathers as well and I'd have trouble convincing haploautists that they're aryans"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>81\ndo the Chinese and Native Americans count as \"mongols\"? Because their concept of \"Tian/Shangdi\" and the \"Great Spirit\" is linguistically associated with \"sky\" or \"heaven\" as abstract concepts"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>2\n>i can read minds\nredditing faggot"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>79\n1. The Sky Father was never the chief of the pantheon, there is not a single IE pantheon where he is indisputably the head. Zeus and Jupiter are merged with the thunderer, and these are extremely un-conservative pantheons anyhow.\n2. It cannot be asserted that Tyr is directly the Sky Father, his name is simply the generic word for god. It could have come about any other way, but most importantly he has no celestial association what so ever."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>80\nThis is complete fanfiction.\n>not a recognized divinity among the Visigoths and Ostrogoths (Geats) or Vandals (Wends)\nAccording to what source? Are you retarded?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nGods and Myths of Northern Europe by HR Ellis Davidson\nOdin was introduced to northern Scandinavia by the Heruli, an East-Germanic people"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>84\n>>85\nMy point is that most PIE spirituality didn't come from anything unique to them as a race but was a response to the environment they lived in and the material culture they developed. Convergent evolution would affect any people who herded cattle on the open plain the same way. Also,\n>Native American\nWhat are you referring to specifically? Because \"Great Spirit\" is a conventional translation of a concept that appears in unrelated Indian cultures like Gichi-Manidoo among the Ojibwe and Wakan Tanka among the Lakota, and neither term refers to the sky."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nWhat basis does he make this claim on? Any schizo can make a book in which he asserts obvious banal untruths, which these are. Give direct verifiable evidence or kill yourself."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\n>Hilda Roderick Ellis Davidson FSA (born Hilda Roderick Ellis; 1 October 1914 – 12 January 2006) was an English folklorist.\n\n>A graduate of Newnham College, Cambridge, Davidson was a Fellow at Lucy Cavendish College, Cambridge, throughout much of her career. She specialized in the interdisciplinary study of Celtic, Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse religion and folklore, on which she was the author of numerous influential works.\n\n>Davidson began her academic career as an assistant lecturer in English at Royal Holloway, University of London (1939–1944).[1] Her first book The Road to Hel: A Study of the Conception of the Dead in Old Norse Literature (1943), published under her maiden name Hilda Ellis, utilized archaeological evidence for the examination of death in Norse paganism. This was a pioneering approach, as the study of Old English and Old Norse in British academia at the time was strictly concerned with literary and linguistic concerns. Davidson's utilization of an interdisciplinary approach to the study of Old Norse religion was to become a strong characteristic of her research.[2] From 1945 to 1955 she was a lecturer in the extramural department at Birkbeck, University of London.[1]\n\n>Although encountering a significant amount of opposition to her attempt at combining archaeological and philological evidence for the study of Old Norse and wider Germanic religion, Davidson continued with her research. In subsequent years, she published a number of influential works, including The Sword in Anglo-Saxon England (1962), Gods and Myths of Northern Europe (1964), Pagan Scandinavia (1967), and Scandinavian Mythology (1969).[3][4] With Peter Gelling, she published The Chariot of the Sun (1969). During this time, Davidson contributed many papers to scholarly journals, where she often drew on her knowledge of myth, legend and folklore to interpret archaeological finds.[3]"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nWhere in this is the information that \"Vandals did not recognize Odin as a divinity\" derived?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>3\n>I believe in made up shit and LARP because I'm so racist I'll do the contrary the main western religion says because it's origins are not from where my culture originates\nHoly shit LARPagans are retarded"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>79\nNo, Odin is very clearly the Sky Father.\n>Head motifs\n>Sacred beverage\n>Defends the primordial she-bovine\n>Married to the Earth Mother\n>Constantly cheating on her\n>Fathered the Striker\n>Wields a spear\n>Father of all\n>Creator of man\n>Wanderer\n>Enforced of guest-host law\n>Ruler of the universe\n>Also a scuzzy forest dude\n>Granter of poetic inspiration\n>Source of all knowledge\n>Makes people mentally ill for fun\n>Associated with the sky\n>Has an army of groupies to sick on people that he doesn't like\n>Has a bunch of personified she-concepts who work for him\nThis is Odin, this is Zeus, this is Jupiter, this is Shiva, this is the Dagda. It's not Tyr.\n\n>>80\nThe Goths (Visigoths and Geats included) worshiped Odin, the Vandals and Wends are two separate peoples (although there was a Germanic contingent to the Wends that did worship Odin), and we have basically no information on the Vandals. Why they wouldn't worship the head of the pantheon that shows up in every other Indo-European religion, the dude who is the patron of marauding warbands, is beyond me."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nI know, right? Fucking byzaboo larpers, I swear."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nthe irony of his cringe coldtake is that you can make a better case that odin came out of scandinavia than into scandinavia"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy the fuck are you asking me I'm not a pagan"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\nFrom the lack of information on their pre-Arian religious practices. He's extrapolating \"we don't know the Vandal name for Odin\" to \"they didn't worship him despite every other Germanic people doing so\"."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>2\nPagans are just larpers who view religions in terms of how it can build a society. they think Pagan values are better for their country than Christian values. obviously this will never get far if the people promoting the view doesn't actually believe in the metaphysics behind it"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>3\nfunny that a lot of the biggest Neopagan accounts on the internet have recently been exposed as zionist jews"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nexcellent criticism of the tradlarp phenomena, but i dont see what this has to do with people who worship odin and thor"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\ni'm not convinced that there is a significant amount of people who actually do that today, but i might be wrong. like i said it seems like the ones promoting it don't really believe it"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nare you refering to costin somethingsomethingromanian? he has never claimed to be anything other than a jew so i am not sure what you mean about him being pagan. most of the people around him are so-called christians.\n\nas for numbers, you need to define \"significant\". there are more dudes worshiping thor than there are pretending to be russian to own the democrats or whatever. secondly, why do their numbers matter? if they get together and do it, and they do, then they clearly believe in it. people dont kill goats on top of stone piles and burn the body to be \"ironic\". at what point does the number of people doing a thing make the people doing it \"believe\" in it? there are only 250 jews in iceland which is far fewer than the number of thor worshipers in the us, do they \"not believe\" in judaism because they haven't hit the arbitrary number threshold?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>3\nIt's hilarious the first half of your post contradicts the second\n>Heh... Religion is about social capital, doesn't matter what sky daddy it praises...\n>Well Christianity is huge in the social capital market so maybe that one?\n>NOOO NOT THAT ONE DIE KIKE DIE KIKE DIE KIKE"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>2\nYes, they are allegory. But you have no clue what they represent."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>87\n>No argument\nIs it because he's right and you don't have the gall to lie that you actually think a guy on a cloud is casting lightnings our way so you resort to insulting him for hitting a nerve? Also sorry for mind reading LOL"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>101\nThat describes every single E-Christian on 4chan. Nobody gives a shit about theology in the modern day, it's about what values you want society to be based off of."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\nPerhaps he doesn't like the values mainstream Christianity espouses?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nThe whole of Christianity is a palette so wide you can find nearly any extremist on it. This wizard of social intelligence thinks it's easier to astroturf a religion than it is to cloak your values in the current mainstream one, or even convert to a different branch?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nHis opposition seems to be racial in context, so I doubt those will suit him either."}, {"id": 113, "content": "The only thing I learnt from this thread is that white supremacist pagans are as cringe as feminist witchlarpers"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nit's literally the same thing but one is based on neonazi butthurt about da jooz and the other is based on communist hippie butthurt about da jooz, but its all still just clubs for being butthurt about jews"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWoden"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>96\nHow come Thor became the Thunder god then?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>75\nYou didn't watch the video"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>7\nBecause both of them fill the same position in the \"hierarchy\". While syncretism is normal and common in Pagan societies, it usually happens because the foreign god adds something the local pantheon wasn't providing. Take Aphrodite for example, she was not native to Greek paganism and was imported from the east, but she was popular because her \"niche\" was something the other greek deities didn't really cover. Zeus and Odin however are both Indo-European \"Sky Fathers\" who fulfill the same functions and provide the same \"benefits\". The only way for them to coexist is for one to be absorbed by the other, which usually requires foreign conquest and the new rulers trying to sublimate your god as an \"Aspect\" or some such of their god."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany gods"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>116\nThor didn't \"become\" the Striker, he just is the Striker, and has always been the Striker. This is a role that is fulfilled by Hercules, Indra, and Vishnu."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nVishnu is the Striker and not Shiva? That's counterintuitive."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nShiva is the Skyfather.\n\nVishnu means something like \"the power (to do stuff)\", and was originally an epithet for Indra's weapon, the vajra (it was \"the powerful one\"). Eventually, this weapon came to become an epithet for Indra, and then an epithet for the greater divinity of Indra as opposed to the \"character\" of Indra (who was effectively putting on a show for mortals), and then an epithet for divinity in general, and then at some point Indra was reanalyzed as an avatar OF Vishnu. This is, in part, because Indra became increasingly flanderized as a goofy bully-king, so the fact that he was also a glorious celestial God of justice was seen as awkward, hence why the \"red dude with the vajra\" was taken as being a character that a greater deity was playing."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\nAnd all of the strikers are the constellation Orion."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nA misnomer."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nan early socialist formation whereby most of the productive base is transformed from anarchy to a highly coordinated and planned ecosystem, with heavy oversight by the government, in order to sustain some degree of power structures and influence.\nthe superstructure of society remains largely unchanged, bourgeoise modes of thought (most especially political/economic ideology) still predominate. despite the fundamental transformation of production, it is maintaned oligarchicaclly and without common recognition of our ability to direct it towards any social means we so desire."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nWhat uneducated American 20-somethings trying to debate something they have no clue about accuses China and retroactively accuse the Soviet Union of being"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1\nfpbp"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIt's what communism necessarily turns into when bureaucrats realize that the money has to come from somewhere. The government becomes a monopoly corporation that digs up resources and sells them to capitalist countries to get hard currency."}, {"id": 6, "content": "All economic \"systems\" that involve some form of top-down decision making always devolve into the same arbitrary, inefficient bullshit. It really doesn't matter how you label them, but it's mostly leftists that are ignorant of semantics that get bothered by the labels alone; see anarcho-capitalism."}, {"id": 7, "content": "It's called socialism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nCapitalists exist with relative freedom to allocate capital, but they are either required to either be party members or are otherwise subordinate to a central committee. Nazi Germany and modern Vietnam/China are state capitalist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nmeaningless term tossed around by morons. every country in this world has a market economy and a central government that plays a heavy role in it through taxes, subsidies, and various programs that alter people's incentives. the US subsidizes everything from farmers to space x. which country isn't \"state capitalist\"?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can any historians here refute this? Stalin and Hitler had the same ideology. The only difference is one believed in Slavic superiority and the other believed in Germanic superiority."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Stalin and Hitler had the same ideology"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoint 6 is so funny"}, {"id": 4, "content": "why were self hating jews so prominent in socialist wankery?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTimeless bait, retards will continue to fall for it until the end of the internet"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes Stalin and Hitler were both responsible for oppressing minorities, suppressing free speech, brainwashing the public, wage wars of aggression, genocide and the destruction civil liberties.\n\nWhile the democratic west and Great Britain certainly had issues, they were much less intense in comparison. Yes it had to deal with government nepotism, racism, capitalism and imperialism... but given the comparison to Communist Russia and Nazi Germany it was much more free, healthy and wealthy.\n\nIt is clear to see that Germany is much more well off democratic, and while Russia obviously has severe domestic issues, the path to change for good is less restricted, than it was in the Soviet Union."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Churchill\n>don't believe in Darwinism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nEmil Maurice or Karl Radek?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Stalin and Hitler had the same ideology\nUnironically yes."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nMussolini hated the USSR way way less than Hitler did, though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat is darwinist about stalin"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIt's almost like the USSR wasn't in the way of Mussolini's ambitions the way it was for Hitler."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fascism and communism are the same because there are a few vaguely similar ideological undercurrents\n>this has nothing to do with the fact that they both came to power at roughly the same time while facing the same issues of inequality, industrialization, and revanchism\nAlso lol at conservatives not agreeing with Darwinism. I assume that this means Social Darwinism, but it would be even funnier if it just meant regular Darwinism."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>”Us whites are superior, but we need to ban interracial sports so that black athletes won’t beat white ones”\nKek."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNational Socialism wasn't Fascism."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nI don't believe in any kind of Darwinism"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nBased and true, but that is aside the point."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nstalin, lenin, marx etc etc etc"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Stalin\n>Jewish"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nStalin wasn't Jewish at all and Lenin's possible 1/4th Jewishness is pretty contested, and also wasn't known until Lenin died, so I don't think he could possibly be called a self-hating Jew"}, {"id": 21, "content": "You might want to check what was Hitler's job in Munich in 1919."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Soviet Union did not support Darwinism as they believed it what was basically Lamarkian Evolution, it is said that these beliefs likely contributed to famine, and almost certainly contributed to famine in China where they doubled down on it in an attempt to disprove the soviets who had denounced it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nMussolini never signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union granting them a bunch of territory, Hitler did. Geopolitics can explain Hitler's behaviour, but those same geopolitics would also explain why he would have on the surface hated the Soviet Union more than Mussolini did."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Conservatives like small government\nNope. Stated beliefs =/= actions. Conservatives love big government.\n>Fascism being anti-capitalist\nNope. Fascism is exactly as anti-capitalist as conservatism.\n>Communism supporting Darwinism\nLaughably wrong. As other anons said, it's far more Lamarckian than Darwinian.\n>Attacking x countries\nAll states attack anyone who goes against their interests regardless of ideology. That's basic geopolitics."}, {"id": 25, "content": "whole thread is OP going\n>BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NON-AGGRO PACT\nyeah what about it? We dont care about it because Hitler also signed multiple treaties with allies (as in WW1 allies; Britain and France) on Czechoslovakia, Austria, Rhineland, Saarland and had active trade eith them until he declared war on Poland. As if Hitler was a pragmatic.\nIn Stresa Front, Italy opposed Germany while France and Britain decidd to continue relations with Germany."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nIIRC Fascist Italy was the first country to recognize USSR sovereignty."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish conservatives were as based as that silly image portrays."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nYes he did\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Soviet_Pact"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\nIt would be as funny with Social Darwinism, because conservatives are ok with it, they are just too much of pussies to claim it openly out of fear that it will blow up in their face."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is complete nonsense. When did communism ever support Darwinism? Communism is about providing needs to the masses so that no one is left behind. That's the complete opposite of survival of the fittest. And what are you on about with communism wanting to \"create the perfect man\"? I don't recall that being in their agenda. And is fascism really anti-capitalist? There's a reason they hate the commies, you know."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\njuden agent churchill"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nAnglo-German Naval Agreement (1935): Also known as the London Naval Treaty, this agreement was signed on June 18, 1935, and allowed Germany to build its navy up to 35% of the size of the British Royal Navy in terms of tonnage. It effectively violated the disarmament clauses of the Treaty of Versailles, which had limited Germany's naval capabilities after World War I.\n\nAnglo-German Agreement (1938): Also known as the Munich Agreement, this treaty was signed on September 30, 1938, between Germany, Britain, France, and Italy. It allowed Germany to annex the Sudetenland, a region in Czechoslovakia with a predominantly German-speaking population, without military intervention. It was widely seen as appeasement by Britain and France, who hoped to avoid war with Germany.\n\nAnglo-German Declaration (1938): This declaration was signed on December 6, 1938, and recognized Germany's control over the Sudetenland, which had been annexed as per the Munich Agreement. It also stated that Britain and Germany would resolve any future disputes through peaceful means.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nAlso one should note that anschluss was only possible by permit of the British and the French. In Stresa Front and Pact of Rome, Italy was officially against the presence of National Socialists in Austria meanwhile (during Stresa Front) British and French declared a League of Nations interference is not necessary and peaceful dialogue with Germany should continue."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>And what are you on about with communism wanting to \"create the perfect man\"? I don't recall that being in their agenda.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>And is fascism really anti-capitalist?\nFascists don't have an ideological economic theory, hatred towards communists wasn't based on economics."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">Conservative doesn't believe in Darwinism"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>20\nlenin was half jewish, and it's not contested by anybody that has any idea what they're talking about"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nalso\n>couldn't know he was a jew\nLenin's mother spoke yiddish"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>9\nYeah, but you but he was a 1.50 manlet, so who cares what he said"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>30\n>When did communism ever support Darwinism?\nThere was actually quite a large eugenicist movement up untill the Stalin banned it in the 30s (late I belive) when National Socialism was talking about race and relations worsened. Germany and the USSR even had their own international eugenics meeting at one point because other countries didn't want them present in theirs.\n>create the perfect man\nThe new soviet man is pretty wel known. After eugenics fell out of Stalins favour they just switched to ideas of creating it by education and economic equality which would somehow create it.\n>And is fascism really anti-capitalist?\nFascism was ''against'' it but more in the sense of instead being for class cooperation. National Socialism on the other hand was very much against anti-capitalism. They saw the economy as needing to be totally subordinate to state intrests. National Socialism was basically a form of market socialism (but without much Marxist influence, it was more derived from Friedrich List and the idea of a national system which technically places it's origin with nationalist economics which morphed into socialism).\n>There's a reason they hate the commies\nThey also hated capitalists. It was a pretty big issue in the party wether they should ally with the west to attack the communist east or ally with the east to attack the capitalist west. Then after they would attack the other. Hitler wanted to go east first because then he could get resources to build up and attack the stronger west. They also hated commies because they weren't much a fan of central planning and didn't like the idea of economic class struggle. They instead wanted to reduce class differences, get every class in line with the party (except the bourgeois, a lot of them were seen as white Jews and were to be removed) and then focus on the struggle between races and peoples."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> \"democracy\"\n> unaccountable corporate conglomerate owns everything and is subsidized from your taxes\n> you can vote for 1 out of 2-3 boomers who all serve above conglomerate unconditionally and won't be held responsible for lying to the public or ignoring their promises\n> just vote HARDER next time, guys!\nThe only reason West had above average living standards was due to legacy of absolute monarchies. Britain became an Empire as absolute monarchy and so did France, Spain and Germany. \"Democracy\" is not even real and is just a glorified oligarchy run by nepotism and corruption of highest order."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Britain became an Empire as absolute monarchy\nFactually wrong, unless you count a few piss poor colonies in the New World as \"the empire\". The actual might of the British empire came only after the Glorious Revolution, and claiming that that was an \"absolute monarchy\" is beyond dumb."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nBefore the whig insurrection, Britain already had a huge fleet and giant trade-based economy.\nAll that whigs did was exploit the economy, cause famine, separatism and run unprofitable ventures that ended up wasting more potential then gain."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hindus are a beastly people with a beastly religion"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommunism was about withering away the state.\nHow did Churchill want small government?\n\nStalin was a Gruziyan that didn't give a fuck about Slavic nationalism and only supported it if it had a pragmatic advantage."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Stalin and Hitler had the same ideology\n\nYes, but you forgot about FDR too. The New Deal Regime, the National Socialist Regime, and the Bolshevik Regime were all equally revolutionary."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>30\n\nThe reason fascists hate communists has nothing to do with actual policy. But because communism is \"Jewish\"."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nfascists dont like abolition of private property"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nI thought fascists wanted the state in every aspect of life."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n\nFascists don't like when a Jewish state owns their property. They like it when an Aryan state does though."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRemind me again how many people did Churchill mass murder in Bengal famine?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>37\n>>38\nLiterally 100% untrue"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHitler didn't believe in big government at all."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>6\nThe only reason why you think that is because enslaving and colonizing brown people into poverty, starvation, and genocide isn't a big deal for you."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nHe definitely believed in the fascist \"total state\""}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>Hitler didn't believe in big government at all."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nWow you are a retard. The Nazis started out as pro-big government keynesians in the 1930s and by the 1940s it was basically a command economy with price controls and many nationalized industries."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nExcept that's not just a fascist thing. As well as National Socialism not being fascist."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nNeither of those two things contradict what I said, and more importantly do nothing to advance the \"Hitler the small government libertarian\" argument"}, {"id": 60, "content": "Historylet here. Who is right in the \"hitler cucked his generals\" argument? I've heard differing opinions from credible-sounding sources but don't have the time or interest to properly investigate myself"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nYes it does. You called it the fascist ''total state''. That's wrong because National Socialism was not fascism, nor is totalitarianism inherently fascist. I also said nothing about the small government stuff. Although if you must know Hitler was wansn't pro big government per se and saw it more as being practical for imposing the ideology. When the ideology was implemented and society transformed into a fully National Socialist one the total state was not seen as that important anymore. Hitler actually called it un-German even."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>6\nThey were both fighting against ZOG"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>14\nCould have just brought in a bunch of Caucasians to beat the african."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nthey were fighting against bedtime and for a future full of mom's chicken tendies, just like you."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>26\n>IIRC Fascist Italy was the first country to recognize USSR sovereignty.\nNot the first. One of the first countries though, but preceded by some of the countries that broke from the Russian Empire during the revolution like the Baltic states and Finland. Also the Weimar Republic and Turkey. Then Italy.\n\n>>40\nMarxist communism was historically pretty critical of \"humanism\" but it has also been described alternatively as a humanist religion. The ideology being that if you free people from unemployment and poverty and ill-health then you can improve human beings in an all-around way. A bit like the Federation in Star Trek. It's interesting to look at contemporary Russian stuff that is either inspired by it or is trying to advocate for it since it's part of their history and I think some of those guys \"get it\" more at least as a feeling. This one is interesting because it takes a dump on right-wing populists such as Trump, as well as Putin and cites his interest in a Russian fascist thinker:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/-tck6snU_MA?t=440 [Embed]"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>54\nAh yes the famously free, peaceful prosperous and well fed people of Africa who were so much well off before colonialism."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/pol/ has caused so much brainrot after 2016 that it’s either red vs blue or white vs jew."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>29\nThat's why it is funny, conservatives in that era were pretty firm believers in Social Darwinism. It was in vogue everywhere across Europe at the time. It's just plain wrong to say they weren't social darwinists."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe communists explicitly rejected darwinism."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>18\nStalin hated Jews explicitly. Marx hated Jews implicitly.\nLenin probably didn't know he was Jewish by fractional heritage."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>7\n>bans interracial boxing in 1911\n\nIs he talking about on naval ships? Cause otherwise he didn't have that power."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>60\nHitler had a lot of luck early on based on his commands, but generally wasn't a particularly brilliant strategic commander.\nGenerally he was able to make use of the extremely well polished German war machine with his aggressive commanding style, but he was relatively carried by his tools. Him being willing to be aggressive at all fronts did bring great successes due to making use of all the advantages in arms and training the Germans had built up, but once there was more parity between Germany and its enemies, he didn't display much brilliance.\n\nHe was clearly not incompetent, but wasn't some genius just the same."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nNo.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQsGUndg_Vc [Embed]"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hitler depicted as tiny and frail\n>literally taller than both men pictured beside him\nwhat did (((they))) mean by this ?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler wasnt a fascist, he was a national socialist"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommie POV\n>Likes workers/hates workers\n>Seeks abolishment of state/pro-state\n>Opposed by capitalists/supported by capitalists\n>Pro-science/anti-science\n>Seeks betterment of all mankind/seeks better position for their nation at the cost of other nations\n>Attacked capitalist countries/attacked communist countries\n\nNazi POV\n>Likes Aryans/hates aryans\n>Likes a small Jew (or no Jew)/ Likes the Big Jew\n>Pro class cooperation and national unity/Pro class warfare\n>Pro eugenics/Pro racemixing\n>Seeks betterment of nation/Universalists\n>Fought against the world/fought against nazism"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> one believed in Slavic superiority\nhahahahahaha, holy shit"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\n(((They))) meant that (you) are utterly retarded: the \"height difference\" on the pic is only due to the hats."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConservative is such a shitty label. Liberal is always a better label, but it was, somehow, coopted by more socialistic Burgers, so now denotes left wing shit instead of the small government free market liberal. Libertarian is also shit cause of their association with dudeweed lmao and being generally weak pansies without an ounce of cuttthroat practicality."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>knows men are naturally evil\nKek, burst out laughing at the contrast between this sobering idea stated so plainly and the happy simple looking chap directly underneath the text. Stalin is also too buff."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nForgot to add that you should also drop 'capitalist' - totally meaningless label nowadays because it has basically become with synonmous with human greed itself. Shit like a nationalised Mexican energy company fucking up gets labelled capitalist, and capitalist as a label sounds evil, hence why it was coined by a French socialist in the 19th century. Capitalist is to liberalism what collectivist is to socialist - the sinister alt name."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n\n>knows men are naturally evil\n\nChurchill was a Humian?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\n>Capitalist is to liberalism what collectivist is to socialist\nSemantics, but Capitalism is not an ideology, its an economic system and capitalist is not believer in any ideology but a member of social class.\nSocialism is both ideology and economic system, because unlike capitalism the codified ideology came before the practical economic system.\n\n>collectivist is to socialist\nCollectivism is meta-ideology that spans everything which is not individualism, be it modern socialism, acient clan or prehistoric tribe. Its more like tranny calling normal people cisgender, that is trying to de-normalize the normal by giving the abnormality and normality \"equal\" names."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>Shit like a nationalised Mexican energy company fucking up gets labelled capitalist\n\nIf anything this proves that when you run a government company as if it was for profit, it ends up being a corrupt mess."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>81\n>gets labelled capitalist\n\nEverything in a capitalist society is capitalist just like everything in a communist society is communist. The liberal idea that there exists a perfect and non-political division between public and private is a fiction."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin was shorter than Hitler. Pic refuted."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>10\nMussolini has commie sympathies. Really, the only reason he wasn't a commie was that they kicked him out for not being anti-war."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin wasn't even a slav you retard"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>74\nmost intelligent poltard over here"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>74\nIt means he didn't wear a big hat to draw him with."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>unknown\nThat left part is right but this guy even sees government funded roads as socialism. It's kind of funny because his definition of socialism is not even when government does stuff but just when any group of people does stuff."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo true, people often forget that Stalin checked hand with Hitler at yalta well before the wall of London."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>82\nHow did Locke get everything wrong"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>2\nkek fpbp"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJWschizo"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>54\nThis wasn't a big deal for Stalin because he did that\nAnd this isn't a big deal for African countries even today because they do all those things right now."}, {"id": 97, "content": "At it's core national socialism is born by playing mad libs with marx and replacing any mention of the Bourgeoisie with jews"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Japanese rule of Korea really as bad as Koreans act like it was?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this the same organisation, please? Are the leaders the same? The King of France eradicated the organisation."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there any good book about the transition from Weimar Republic to Nazi Germany purely from the economic viewpoint?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Mark Harrison and Hein Klemann are probably your best economic historians on the subject. Written a lot of papers online.\nMost recommended book by Harrison is Accounting for War. Be aware tho that its very academic, so its hard to read for someone casual. Not even sure if its available ouside academic studies.\n\nIf you want more reader-friendly books on the economics of ww2 I suggest reading:\nRichard Overy - War and economy of the third reich\nAdam Tooze - Wages of destruction\nPhilip O'brien - How the war was won"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "*renders history obsolete*"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt best it just pulls our conception of how old organized society is back by a few millennia.\nHope more is discovered."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Pic related is the founder of Kimbanguism, which has 6 million followers in the Congo and says that he and his family are the envoys of Jesus. What other sects are like this?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"Cursed, cursed, cursed -- Cursed by the God YHW!\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I can't shake the feeling Christianity is little more than Jewish mysticism re-branded for Roman slaves and women.\nI read Introduction to Christianity by Benedict XVI at my girlfriend's request but it only intensified my opinion.\nWhere is the manliness in Christianity? Why worship a Jew who encouraged submission to the government and your enemies?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Why worship a Jew who encouraged submission to the government and your enemies?\n\nSo you don't get thrown into Le Fire :DDDD"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlave morality isn't for everyone."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jewish mysticism re-branded for Roman slaves and women\n+ Greek philosophy and stoicism"}, {"id": 5, "content": "you don't say\nlook into Judaism proper, if you don't want to follow that there's not much point in following its fanfiction"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I can't shake the feeling Christianity is little more than Jewish mysticism re-branded for Roman slaves and women.\nthere's a reason you can't shake that..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt's fanfiction all the day down anon"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nbelieve what you want to"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nJewish stuff was deeply influenced by persians and other middle eastern peoples different from them. It's just another step back in the fanfiction continuum."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou could have a least kept the same cover color here. Why spend all that time shooping just to not do that? Really gave it away."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nProof?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nLook into Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu. Jews picked up the meme of the world being divined between good an evil among other things from them. It's a very distinctive way of looking at the world, so much so that greeks did plays mocking the persians for that belief."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>judaism\n>between\n?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>>13\ni'll add that i have already looked into a bit of Zoroastrianism, and while naturally there's influence, i'm not sure if Ahura Mazda is exactly the best comparison"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Look at the fatty on the left. Supposedly these Jews were starving..."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I don't know how any body can look at these images and still somehow claim vertical stripes are in this season."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeight gain is a bit complex. Also I am not sure the intensity of oppression of camp. Nor when this individual arrived there.\n\nIt is hard to tell his weight as his clothes appear to be heavy and thick aswell.\n\nFurthermore we can see via image, footage, testimony, logistics and a plethora of other evidence of mass starvation and basic human neglect of dignity and health.\n\nIf you do not like the Jews that is a tough matter, but while you are the smaller dog in the pen I suggest you know your place and try to obtain a moral high ground from which you can take advantage, in your weakened state."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n> Furthermore we can see via image, footage, testimony, logistics and a plethora of other evidence of mass starvation and basic human neglect of dignity and health.\n\nNot gas chambers tho…"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhile your reply is on its face flat out false because of all the evidence I will reply.\n\nI understand you are concerned about your nation and people persumably. However I can extrapolate from people like you who go to places like these.\n\nYou like are intellectually curious, creative, isolated, may have a mental health disorder and enjoy video games. You may also enjoy anime and political podcasts. I can relate! However I recommend sticking to academic and legitimate educational material when learning about our common past.\n\nThat way you can make more well informed and intelligent decisions that benefit you. If you are doing well, than I am doing well."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you're saying Hitler kept Jews well fed while there were food shortages for Germans?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHold up, how come there weren't any uniforms for children?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt is most likely logistically easier to create variants of clothing that can fit as many different body sizes as possible.\n\nSince their lifespans and days of incarceration were considered transient, clothes swapping was to be expected as prisoners were released or killed."}, {"id": 9, "content": "I'm from Buenos Aires and I say \"heil Hitler!\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat got me questioning it was all the contradictions that come up when you think about it logically beyond a surface level.\n>These camps were either for slave labor or extermination, but officers were routinely relieved of duty and even arrested for mistreatment of prisoners (like the famous Amon Göth).\n>Auschwitz was a death camp, and anybody not fit to work was immediately gotten rid of so they wouldn’t be a drain on resources, but they had a hospital for prisoners including an obstetrics ward.\n>Germany was desperate for supplies, but they kept sending trains full of food and new prisoners up until the last couple months of the war.\n>Extermination camps, as the name would imply, are meant to exterminate, but several people, most famouslh Anne Frank, got transferred from one to another like it was moving school districts.\nThat, and the fact that historical accounts still can’t seem to decide if the Nazis were ruthless industrialized killing machines or Saturday morning cartoon villians.\n>Vassily Grossman and the metal floor that electrocuted and then turned Jews to dust.\n>The vats of acid\n>The shotgun that secretly curved back at the shooter\n>The holocoaster\nIt’s just so ridiculous. When you put together all of the stuff above that somebody at some point tried to push, does it start to make the death showers seem a little far-fetched, too?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nRight IDK who the first faggot is but\nAuschwitz wasn’t one camp, it was a complex that housed all kinds of factualities for the guards and POWs. Auschwitz II Birkenau was the extermination camp.\nThey knew shit was getting hairy so they did everything to speed up the killing just in case. And they didn’t use trains exclusively. They infamously marched thousands of prisoners from one camp to another during the winter of 45 in a death march to prevent their liberation by the soviets. Which is also one of the reasons why they got moved around.\n\nYou say you initially believed but started to question your beliefs based on these claims that can be disproven with some googling. I find that hard to believe. When your beliefs are challenged you usually try to find more information, not take claims at face value and do no further research. What’s more likely is you’re a neo-nazi liar trying to convince others of your sad little delusions. Hopefully I’m wrong."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Look at the fatty in the middle. Supposedly these Koreans were starving..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>no source provided\nah i see"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nYou're not actually interested in knowing the answers to any of your questions"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe problem is, you don't care about sources. I could give you dozens of links to reliable source, and you'll never change your mind."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nHe learnt about it in school, not remembering most of what he learned if he paid attention at all, or just from media. And then he learnt the denier talking points from /pol/"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nPlease take time to read, as I read yours. The apparent contradictions you mentioned can be explained by the fact that the Nazi regime was not a monolithic entity, but rather a complex and often contradictory system of power and control.\n\n>These camps were either for slave labor or extermination, but officers were routinely relieved of duty and even arrested for mistreatment of prisoners.\n\nWhile some officers and officials may have been more concerned with following orders and carrying out the goals of the regime, others may have been more concerned with maintaining discipline and order within the camps. This could explain why some officers were relieved of duty or arrested for mistreatment of prisoners.\n\n>Auschwitz was a death camp, and anybody not fit to work was immediately gotten rid of so they wouldn’t be a drain on resource etc.\n\nSimilarly, the existence of hospitals within death camps like Auschwitz can be attributed to the fact that the Nazis were concerned with maintaining the health and productivity of their labor force. While those who were deemed unfit for work were often sent to the gas chambers, those who could still be put to work were kept alive and given medical treatment when necessary."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>YOU don't care about sources\nand now we started argue personally.\nFirst of all I am not >>4\nSecond, you still didn't provide any source\nIs this the hill you are going to die on?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>>17\n>Germany was desperate for supplies, but they kept sending trains full of food and new prisoners up until the last couple months of the war.\n\nThe continued transport of prisoners to the camps despite Germany's desperate need for supplies can be explained by the fact that the Nazi regime placed a high value on maintaining the infrastructure and operations of the concentration and extermination camps, even at the expense of other military and economic priorities.\n\n>Extermination camps, as the name would imply, are meant to exterminate, but several people, most famous Anne Frank, etc.\n\nThe transfer of prisoners between different camps was often done for logistical or strategic reasons, rather than as a means of sparing the lives of individual prisoners. The fact that Anne Frank was transferred between camps does not contradict the larger reality of the holocaust."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nThis is pretty cringe"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>Amon Göth\nHOLY SHIT! AMONGUS!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n\nI am not >>15\nand he is not >>5\nas that one is me.\n\nsources.\nThe International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg records.\n\nNational Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War\n\nThe U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum's Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nthe truth is uncomfortable, like the holocaust. Or our petty lives. But we should all make the best of it and spread brotherhood."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy were nazis overfeeding their prisoners while their people were starving? i guess nazism really was just a kike psyop after all"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>I am not >>15 #\n>and he is not >>5 #\nand how do you know\nanyways, thanks for sources but i see you added the red cross report which is my favorite moment of WW2 because it proves British didnt f\ngive a dog's shit about Jews\n>Red cross reports about condition of Jews\n>it correlates eith Polish report and aerial photographs\n>British doesnt say anything about it neither they care about red cross report"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nKek. Indeed. But as you see I am correct and now you cans stand correct with me and the rest of academia as well."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nYou sound like a kid . Like everybody in here these days ..."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nYou're wasting your energy on these people. The holocaust is the most well documented genocide in history and one of the most well documented historical events in general . The internet is full of evidence for the holocaust and its just a Google search away. Remote expect you to basically copy and paste all of that evidence onto 4chan for them because they won't look at it themselves or are too stupid or stubborn to process any of it .\n\nWhatever you show them in here , they'll reject out of hand and keep asking for more or moving the goal posts. They hate Jews and believe the holocaust didn't happen and that's that . They're called deniers for a reason"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n:) Honestly at my age, thats a compliment to be called young. Even if its an insult."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>12\n>Kim Jong Un is comparable to the average North Korean\n>>6\nAccording to the anon above, germans weren’t starving because Goering was fat."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIt is the fault and responsibility of German High Command alone that their citizens unfairly starved. They greatly valued the labor of their camps."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nYou're probably like 25 years old , which is a kid"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be third king of Safavid dynasty\n>its only been two generations (a few decades) since grandfather made Shia islam the state religion\n>attempt to go back to sunni islam\n>find few supporters\nThe fuck it only took that short time period for the new religio to settle in?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtreme oppresion from Safavids, they destroyed mosques, shrines, graves established a religious instution called Sadr that was enforced by his military order Qizilbash that oversaw forced conversion, he made it mandatory to curse at first 3 caliphs, killed and exiled sunnis there was also a population exchange between ottomans and safavids where ottomans called in sunnis to come where they wouldnt basically pay tax(this also resulted in a funny situation where many shia turkomans literally migrated just to not pay tax and gradually assimilated into kurdish areas, many kurdish tribal names are azerbaijani kurdicized.)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "and that the scientific method can only take you far?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the scientific method can only take you far?\nWhy?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nso far*\nbecause reality is beyond reason."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBecause OP's less interested in what the answers are than how the answers feel. The truth is more depressing than the fairy tales we can tell ourselves about this bleak reality."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nnothing to do with how I feel about it, religions are the older dogma.\nwhatever it is, it seems to be impossible to comprehend, not just because we're limited but because you can't use something thats part of reality to explain the whole of reality. you can't reason the existence of 1 with pure reason you have to assert it.\n\nreality at it's root is irrational and incomprehensible there is no reason why it is."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>nothing to do with how I feel about it\nIt's only irrational because it FEELS irrational to you because you don't buy into secular explanations"}, {"id": 7, "content": "There is no such thing as \"materialism\". Scientists just look at the world and try to describe it to the best of their ability. What comes out is what works, verifiable and reproducible. There's no \"dogma\" attached to it.\n\nIf there was auch a dogma, you would've seen all kinds of scientific branches where they operate under different paradigms and they should be getting somewhere with discoveries and whatnot. But no such science exists. It's a cope, a mirage invented by spiritually bankrupt individuals."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>because reality is beyond reason.\nWhy?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>If there was auch a dogma, you would've seen all kinds of scientific branches where they operate under different paradigms\nAnon, I……. We do see that.\nWe see some branches of science that says “we adhere to basic biology, sex is fixed”, we get other denominations that say “we adhere to advanced biology, sex is a bigoted and outdated term, gender is on a spectrum”.\nSame as we get some denominations of science being branded heresy and being forbad such as the notion humans are still subject to evolution."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe material world exists.\nThe spiritual is unprovable."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nSee\n>>6\nIt isn't irrational solely because you refuse to accept it"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThose are all still fully operating under \"materialist\" \"assumptions\". You have provided no examples."}, {"id": 13, "content": "I've never met a gnostic who was happy with their life."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nnothing to smile about when you realize that everything is meant to bother you one way or another."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nGnosticism is blaming the world for being a loser"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbout 14"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nblaming is just part of recognizing the problem, completely separate thing from deciding to do something about it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\ncheck the gif"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReality might be bizarre unknowable but I wish to at least go as far as the scientific method takes me. Beyond that, you get a bunch of faggots selling you their schizo ramblings and snake oil.\nJust because some things are beyond the reach of science doesn't mean you have to start accepting everything they tell you."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nwell idk how accurate that gif is, im not a gnostic anyways. but i know that not doing something about it is retarded."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nJust believe everything God says"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nbizarre and unknowable*"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\n>There's no such thing as materialism\nYes there is. It's a philosophy . Like you said , scientists just make observations and experiment and build theories . So they can do that and still adopt more or less whatever worldview or philosophy they like. But at that point it's not science."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nGod says many things, and its always by proxy. How do I tell truth from lies?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nYou have to look back at least a decade . The current scientific community isnt what it used to be"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\n>>24\n>How do I tell truth from lies?\nYou don't. It's not a field of hard science, as much as some theists try to connect the two.\nYou should talk with people, preferably those educated or raised in their religious beliefs, and gather their perspectives on things. It isn't necessarily going to bring you to some revelation all at once, but it is something I've found that helped me."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nFor no particular reason\n\nCome on guys, it isn't hard!"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nscientism is not the popular belief unlike most thinks, it exists because this philosophy works for some sciences.\nBut in reality humans are not just driven by material, they are also driven by ideas. Hence why also philosophy (which includes politics, epistomology and metaphysics) is also vwry important.\n>inb4 \"shit tier sciences reeeee\" cope is incoming\naand thats why you hard science guys will not govern any country and will be subject to rulers from a philosophical (ideological) background."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nideas are material."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nand white is black."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nbut they are, we know this.\nideas are just the electrical connections in your head. just like the site 4chan is material, it's all electricity."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nthats the \"electricity\" what is material. ideas, because we name and some even exist before us, are immaterial. i dont know how to tell you this, the form doesnt decide itself ftom nothing and electricity doesnt make itself an idea.\nTherefore, since we dont judge things and give forms to material according to electricity but the result of mind which is the idea, ideas are immaterial.\ni am esl so, i cant tell the things pretty well"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should the US have tried to absorb their black and colored populations into the white majority? Would it have failed like Brazil or succeeded like Argentina?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you think the Amerimutt meme came about?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think we should call this guy Señor Blanqueador"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks should have been resettled back to Africa as the Colonization Society argued."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nkek"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck no they should have sent blacks to the West African coast, white americans were extremely fucking stupid trying to integrate humans with culture as alien to european ones like Africans into their land just so they could brag about how they \"civilized the savages\". Well I hope that bragging was worth it with the 500,000 black on white hate crimes every year you fucking cucks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMixed race countries always fail. In Israel, they are mixed race but only survive from massive amounts of outside charity, which has contributed trillions of dollars to the Israeli economy in the last 80 years keeping it afloat. No multiracial/multicultural mixed country will ever succeed."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Should the US have tried to absorb their black and colored populations into the white majority?\nThey'd still be deemed the racial underclass. Mixing does nothing to change stigma and class dynamics. Do recall even whites in the American south post-slavery were ensared in sharecropping and debt to rich whites in substantial numbers."}, {"id": 9, "content": "outbreeding depression is real"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIran proves you wrong"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nAs in what?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nTurkey has done pretty well and it's the most muttified country on the planet"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>12\nThe fact that you can't immediately name 10-15 successful multiracial countries should tell you everything you need to know, and yet here you are, grasping at straws.\nIran and Turkey are not what anyone thinks of when they think of successful, first world countries."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust wanted to specify that by \"absorb\" I mean \"breeding out\". After two to three generations, black traits become minimized. Pete Wentz for example is a 1/4th black and is 1/8th black kids show no signs of black ancestry."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n*his"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>failed like Brazil\nNigger if they had fallied Brazil would be 99% Black, I'm not even kidding"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI meant that blacks still make up a significant majority in certain parts of Brazil, while they have been almost completely bleached out of existence in Argentina despite being a third of the population in the 18th century."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>successful\narbitrary\n>first world\nshifting the goal posts\n>immediately name 10-15\nshifting the goal posts"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nHow? I thought black genes are dominant."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>I got nothing, but still want to argue"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>After two to three generations, black traits become minimized\nStill can be present since every baby is a lottery, minimized=/=gone. That and the stigma of having recent black ancestry, looking black or having visibly black family is still very much a factor anon.\n\n>>16\nNah Blacks only existed in the North East.\n\n>>17\n>while they have been almost completely bleached out of existence in Argentina despite being a third of the population in the 18th century.\nBecause Blacks died due to disease outbreaks, sent to fight in wars killing Natives (two birds with one stone). Alongside that when one was freed from slavery they had no social/financial support so many just died in poverty or starvation."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nMix with whites for enough generations and they begin to fade. White guy in pic related is 1/4 black and heir to the throne of Botswana, black guy is one of his subjects."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\ncounterpoint: ur a fagit"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe skin tone doesn't tip you off?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nMixed race countries always fail. In Israel, they are mixed race but only survive from massive amounts of outside charity, which has contributed trillions of dollars to the Israeli economy in the last 80 years keeping it afloat. No multiracial/multicultural mixed country will ever succeed.\n\nSeeth and cope"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>only survive from massive amounts of outside charity\nThe Israeli economy is self-sufficient though/\n\n>which has contributed trillions of dollars to the Israeli economy in the last 80 years keeping it afloat\nSeriously doubt that lol. Do remember military aid is actually kickbacks for American companies so it's merely the Us giving money to Israel to BUY American products"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>In Israel, they are mixed race but only survive from massive amounts of outside charity, which has contributed trillions of dollars to the Israeli economy in the last 80 years keeping it afloat.\nAre you forgetting that the USA pays for the defense of Europe, South Korea, Japan as well? Israel is not country that receives \"aid\" money, which is less to do with paper money and more to do military technology/equipment buying. Israel is R&D vassal for US MIC."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Should the US have tried to absorb their black and colored populations into the white majority?\nUS should have learned to pick their cotton themselves in the first place.\n\n>Would it have failed like Brazil or succeeded like Argentina?\nProbably failed. Angloid influence in USA wouldn't let it succeed."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\n>10-15 successful multiracial countries\nYou have a whole fucking EU and muttmerica, lmao."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>US should have learned to pick their cotton themselves in the first place.\nYou'd still have huge ass underclass with a distinguished status."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nHe certainly looks more obviously mixed when standing next to pure whites, but you have to admit that his black traits are weak to non-existent"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>you have to admit that his black traits are weak to non-existent\nUntil you compare him to his father lol."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nLooks like a Puerto Rican mutt."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nYou can see the Afro texture in his hair. Negroid genes are impossible to dilute, not because they're \"dominant\" but because they are the most different race. No other race has their extreme facial features, hair type, and dark as coal skin color."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>4\nBecause that worked out so well for Liberia."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nliterally nothing you said is true"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nAre you black?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">how many of you wanna see me get creamed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Let's see it Bart"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>NOOO YOU CAN'T INTERPRET THE BIBLE BASED ON THE WORDS IN ITS ACTUAL TEXT, YOU NEED COPE-IOUS AMOUNTS OF EXEGISIS TO UNDERSTAND IT!!"}, {"id": 4, "content": "He's such a joyful old man. Always laughing and cheering and making fun of Christcucks"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>exegesis\n>exe gesis\n>extra jesus!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHe isn't in the job of interpretation so much as textual/manuscript criticism.\nHe's just a redneck Evangelical even as a skeptic. He grew up in \"Moody Bible College\", after all. He'll never wash that taint off, no matter how much of a ivy league larp he has now.\nHis whole bias is about the untrustworthiness of Byzantine manuscripts. Nothing new there with Protestants. He just went whole hog with it. Evangelicals have always been conspiracy theorist retards about supposed Catholic/Orthodox corruption. He's just putting a more \"respectable\" face on it, instead of screaming about idolators or lizard people."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>conspiracy\nThis universe's cause dying on a cross 2000 years ago is the more probable explanation"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIsn't he at NC chappel hill?\nThe academy really isn't so snotty as you're making it sound, at least not for well published professors like ehrman"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "People meme about Italians being bad at war yet the greatest military mind in history was Napoleon who is Italian"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*cough*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNappy was Corsican.\n\nIn the words of Metternich\n>Italy is only a geographical expression"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirstly, while it is true that Napoleon Bonaparte was of Italian descent, he was actually born in Corsica, which was a French territory at the time.\n\nNow, regarding the perception of Italians and their military capabilities, it is important to remember that stereotypes and memes are often based on generalizations and exaggerations, and do not necessarily reflect reality. Italy has a long anddeep military history, with many successes and failures, and it is not accurate to make blanket statements about the military prowess ofthem."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPeople mostly meme on about modern Italian military history which isn't all that great really"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYes, as we saw in both world wars. I agree. But I would like to look at Italian history as a whole."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>le corsica is french meme\nYeah so is Brittany but Bretons are Celtic"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>5\nRomans were not Italians"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean Nappy also failed against the Sanfedisti, who were Italians. The formation of Italy by Kingdom of Sardinia also shows Italians were in good military condition. Italy literally crushed Ottomans in Tripoli and in WW1, they were on the winning side.\nBut after WW1, Italian tactics and technology just was ancient. The ships, weapons, anything you can imagine. This being old was evident in WW1 (as Italy was an agricultural society) but it became even worser in WW2. Hence, why Itsly has the reputation of bad military. During the last world war, they ruined all the reputationcthey had."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nRomans were originally an Italic tribe that lived in the region of modern-day Rome. While the ancient Romans were not the same as modern-day Italians, they were part of the broader Italic culture and had a significant influence on the development of Italian culture/history."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nwhat is this ai post"}, {"id": 12, "content": "just die"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would happen?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsage"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGundam is the timeline where Allies lost ww2"}, {"id": 4, "content": "trannies would take over the mod and add cringe ff tier storylines"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How does the ontological argument distinguish between fictional and non-fiction entities?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont know what that word means"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Must exist\" implies non-fiction"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How does the ontological argument distinguish between fictional and non-fiction entities?\n\nAs explained by philosopher William L. Rowe, the ontological argument \"aims to establish the existence of God a priori, that is, by means of pure reason and without any empirical premises.\" Rowe goes on to explain that the argument begins with the concept of God as \"a being than which no greater can be conceived,\" and then argues that if such a being does not exist, then it is not the greatest conceivable being, because the greatest conceivable being would necessarily exist.\n\nThis distinction between necessary and contingent existence, and the argument that God's necessary existence makes God different from fictional entities, can be seen in Anselm's original formulation of the ontological argument. Anselm writes:\n\n\"[E]ven the fool is convinced that something exists in the understanding, at least, than which nothing greater can be conceived. For, when he hears of this, he understands it. And whatever is understood, exists in the understanding. And assuredly that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, cannot exist in the understanding alone. For, suppose it exists in the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality; which is greater.\"\n\nThis argument relies on the distinction between existence in the understanding alone (which is a contingent existence, since something that exists only in the understanding could also not exist) and existence in reality (which is a necessary existence, since something that exists in reality could not also not exist). Thus, the argument implies that God's necessary existence makes God different from fictional entities, which only exist in the imagination.\n\nSource: Rowe, William L. \"The Ontological Argument.\" Philosophy of Religion: An Introduction, edited by Michael Peterson et al., Oxford University Press, 2011, pp. 94-101."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhy must the greatest conceivable being necessarily be omnipotent though? What if the greatest conceivable being was still mortal, albeit less so than everything else that was conscious"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nInteresting but hard to say why. The argument for why the greatest conceivable being must necessarily be omnipotent is based on the idea that any being that is less than all-powerful would not be as great as a being that is all-powerful. This is because a being that is not all-powerful would have limitations, which would make it less great than a being that has no limitations.\n\nFurthermore, the idea of maximal greatness is closely related to the idea of necessary existence. The argument is that if God, as the greatest conceivable being, did not have necessary existence, then there would be something greater than God, namely a being that is just like God but with the added property of necessary existence.\n\nRegarding the question of whether the greatest conceivable being could be mortal, it is important to note that mortality implies a limitation in power, since a mortal being is subject to death and decay. If the greatest conceivable being were mortal, it would not be all-powerful, and therefore would not be as great as a being that is all-powerful. Get it?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSure, but I don't agree with it. Just because something could exist that's more powerful than the most powerful mortal doesn't mean it necessarily does. That's just as much of a leap of faith as just buying into the literal interpretation of any religious text"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ncorrect, the existence of a more powerful being or entity is a matter of speculation or belief, and cannot be proven or disproven by empirical evidence alone. This is true whether we are talking about religious beliefs or philosophical ideas about the nature of reality."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat's always what bugged me about Kant. He claimed his ontological argument was based in pure reason and yet it still necessitates blind faith to some degree. Granted, I'm sure that wouldn't have bothered the historical Kant much but still"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Eternal philosophy of Marxism is scientific conclusion of dialectical materialism, ehich always existed\nOk, show me the instances of dialecticsl materialism in the world before 18th century. Because i see that it can be only applied to revolutionary movements after 18th century."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Dyslexia"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAristotle's idea of causation, which emphasizes the importance of material causes, can be seen as a precursor to materialism, while the concept of dialectics has roots in ancient Greek philosophy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>concept has roots in Greek philosophy\nLet me clarify what i mean:\nMarxists claim the dialectic materialist reading of history applies to all human developments.\nTherefore this means ANY moment can be observed as dialectics in motion, which I can't until start of 18th century revolutionary movements such as French Revolution.\nAs if Dialectic Materialism only can apply to specific theatre of history started during 18th century.\nI did not asked for Greek philosophy because it is not always historically accurate, there is no such thing as world of ideas."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I just saw some photos of the My Lai massacre. Why did Americans behave like this in the Vietnam War"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/pol/ answer: Because blacks\n/his/ answer: Show me one instance where invaders didnt commit any crimes and acted like total monkeys, thats why pacifism exists"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Dehumanization = The Americans in Vietnam were often trained to view the Vietnamese people as subhuman, which made it easier for them to justify killing civilians.\n\n>Lack of training and leadership = Some of the soldiers involved in the My Lai massacre were poorly trained and lacked proper leadership, which contributed to their confusion and panic in the heat of battle.\n\n>Military strategy = American military strategy in Vietnam was to win hearts and minds by destroying the enemy's will to fight. This strategy often resulted in the targeting of civilians as well as military targets, which led to a high number of civilian casualties.\n\n\n>Psychological stress = The soldiers in Vietnam were exposed to high levels of stress and trauma, which can lead to impaired judgment and behavior."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Strategic Hamlet Program had failed, so the US couldn't figure out how to stop the VC from using the civilian population as meat shields, so the result was GIs venting their frustration out on the populace, exactly what the guerrillas wanted."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>win hearts and minds\n>targeting of civilians\nLmao"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf it makes you feel any better a helicopter pilot flew his helicopter in between a group of villagers and soldiers which prevented some casualties. To make you feel worse it's estimated that fifty similar incidents took place during the war."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In africa, bantu and west african have higher iq than african with caucasian/Eurasian admix"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">\"... Africa ...\"\n>\"... Blacks ...\"\n>Immediately hides thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll of them have some eurasian admixture, and don't north africans score the highest? Or do you mean among sub-saharans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUgandans and Nigerians are good shitposters."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nnorth african are also more violent than ssa"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And it has nothing, not even half a percent, to do with our genetics.\n\nA group of people can't be different to another group of people because...well...they just can't."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIntelligence is really deep and involves both genetics and environment. Nonetheless racial supremacy is a pseudoscientific belief. Many of the inventions and innovations that are often attributed solely to white people were actually developed through collaboration and borrowing of ideas from people of other races and cultures. For example, many mathematical and scientific concepts were developed by scholars in ancient India, Africa, and the Middle East long before they were introduced in Europe.\n\nAmerican Psychological Association. (2018). Intelligence: Knowns and unknowns. https://www.apa.org/research/action/intelligence\n\nThe Guardian. (2020). A brief history of race and science. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/08/a-brief-history-of-race-and-science\n\nScientific American. (2018). What genetics tells us about race and intelligence. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-genetics-tells-us-about-race-and-intelligence-debate/\n\nNational Geographic. (2018). What Science Says About Race and Genetics. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>many mathematical and scientific concepts were developed by scholars in ancient India, Africa, and the Middle East long before they were introduced in Europe.\n\nThere were no mathematical and scientific concepts from Africa."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">many mathematical and scientific concepts were developed by scholars in ancient India, Africa, and the Middle East long before they were introduced in Europe.\nWhy did everything since then come from white people?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "The top three invented nothing between 2500 BCE and 1500 CE, where were they genes back then?\nThat's 4000 years of now inventing anything after the modern European gene pool formed"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbut how does that have anything to do with my life though?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>whypipo keep talking about themselves and it means they did everything\n\n>persons mentioned\nby who?\n>significant figures\n>significant events\naccording to who?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nCulture and economy obviously."}, {"id": 9, "content": "dajooz"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhy did white people have a better economy and culture?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>For example, many mathematical and scientific concepts were developed by scholars in ancient India, Africa, and the Middle East long before they were introduced in Europe.\n>ancient India\nlikely back when whites were actually in the area. see: Indo-European peoples\n>africa\nbig no.\n>middle east\nalso see Indo-European peoples.\n\n>The guardian\nwtf\n\n>scientific american\nneither scientific, nor american.\n\n>National Geographic\noh yes, let's have the people who say fireworks are racist tell us all about race and genetics."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhy does this matter exactly?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>There were no mathematical and scientific concepts from Africa.\n\nThe ancient egyptians developed a sophisticated system of mathematics, including arithmetic, geometry, and algebra. They were the first to develop a decimal system, and their knowledge of geometry was used to build the pyramids and other monumental structures.\n\nIn west africa, the Mali empire greatly utilized math. IT was known for its advanced knowledge of metallurgy, agriculture, and medicine. They were also known for their use of astronomy to aid navigation and for their development of a written language.\n\nThere are many notable modern-day African mathematicians and scientists who have made significant contributions to their fields, including Chike Obi, a Nigerian mathematician who made important contributions to the theory of differential equations, and Neil Turok, a South African physicist who has worked on theories of the origin of the universe.\nhttp://www.storyofmathematics.com/egyptian.html\n\nhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27672726\n\nhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/al-Khwarizmi\n\nhttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2018/09/the-mathematical-secrets-of-ancient-west-african-architecture/"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nbecause it's a clear rebuttal to your point.\nyou said a lot of inventions came from ancient indians, turns out a lot of people in india in ancient times were white. this is further evidenced by the amount of 'white' blood you can find in them.\nand every one of your sources is reddit-tier pozzed."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nI see you have no sources for you weak and desperate reply. Why did you both looking like this?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nDunno. But like I said, they weren't at the top for most of their history (Northwest Europeans).\n\n>>11\nIndo-European peoples are still there and I can guarantee you that they were already quite brown when they discovered all this stuff. They were the whitest when they arrived. And when they arrived the urban civilization collapsed for the next 1000 years.\n\n>see Indo-European peoples\nThe inventors and scholars were mostly Semites or pre-Semites like Sumerians. What Indo-Europeans have to do with it?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>Why did white people have a better economy and culture?\n\nDear dear little young anon, Throughout history, different cultures and civilizations have experienced periods of prosperity and decline. It is not accurate or fair to attribute economic and cultural success or failure to a particular race. Things such as geography, resources, political systems, and historical events all play a role in shaping a society's economy and culture."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>In west africa, the Mali empire greatly utilized math.\nLike what?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nthe source was \"do some research on the indo-european peoples\"\n>>16\n>Indo-European peoples are still there and I can guarantee you that they were already quite brown when they discovered all this stuff.\nsince the source police are present, got anything to back that up? or just the \"fireworks racist\" people?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYou send me a source on that then and educate me. I promise to read it, and then I will get back to you. I can't find anything on this specific subject right now."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nI see you are curious. Please read my post again.\n\"....knowledge of metallurgy, agriculture, and medicine [...] astronomy\" This requires mathematics."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Read Guns, Germs and Steel"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nThere were no white people in ancient India ."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nLook at the ancient depictions of Indians. Like the Ajanta caves. Or read how the Greeks describe them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>Things such as geography, resources, political systems, and historical events all play a role in shaping a society's economy and culture.\nBut not genetics?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>17\n>Dear dear little young anon\nit would be fair to be condescending towards me with my attitude, but he was more than respectful. sort of indicates that there's nothing more you have to say. but let's see anyway:\n>Throughout history, different cultures and civilizations have experienced periods of prosperity and decline.\ntell me all about how africa used to be in any form of prosperity, other than the egyptians, who were also descended from indo-european peoples. (white)\n>It is not accurate or fair to attribute economic and cultural success or failure to a particular race\n>t-that's not fair!\n>Things such as geography, resources, political systems, and historical events all play a role in shaping a society's economy and culture.\nno shit. so why do only whites seem to have good events happen?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\ngenetics is a field that we only just really discovered recently and are far from even getting a comprehensive understanding of it at all."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\n>i can't find anything on the indo-european peoples.\nholy shit, there's a plethora of information out there. you didn't even try. so i literally do not believe that you'll \"read it and get back to me\""}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nSo does genetics have anything to do with differences in society and culture? Even half a percent?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nIf genetics was a factor then why they didn't develop that way earlier. Like I said, modern Western gene pool dates to 2500-2200 BCE. This is when farmers mixed with steppe people in West Europe."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nWhites having good events happen? We have had lots of terrible things happen. I am not sure what you mean but please do not play down the plight of europeans and serfdom, germanic/hunnic migration and invasion, plague, world wars, religious wars, suicide, alcholism, invention of communism/fascism/CONSOOMerism etc etc.\n\nAlso we were not always on top of the world. And who knows about tomorrow? East Asia grew amazingly fast. India has just begun and wow.. look at them. Africa will be a rampaging beast one day before we know it, with all its resources and people."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nah. yes. the 'aryans' that the hindu religion describes must have been non-whites."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>So does genetics have anything to do with differences in society and culture? Even half a percent?\nHard to tell since even within a society or family they vary."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\nProsperous Sub-Saharan states?\nGhana Empire, Kingdom of the Congo, Zulu Empire, Kingdom of Zimbabwe, Dahomey, Madagascar etc etc. If you are interested you got google. They faced economic/population prosperities and declines like any civilization."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\nill get back to you, im too lazy, plus of course they invented many things, are you retarded."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>We have had lots of terrible things happen.\nYes, honest mistake on my part, now that i re-read my post, i should have clarified. but the difference is, we actually have good events, instead of all-bad events.\n>India has just begun and wow.. look at them\n>Africa will be a rampaging beast one day before we know it, with all its resources and people.\nyes, let's send another $1 billion to egypt for LGBT rights.\nif they're accomplishing anything, it's because a certain (((people))) are forcing us to give our money away over there to help them develop. now tell me all about how they did it by themselves.\n>Africa will be a rampaging beast one day before we know it, with all its resources and people.\n>resources\nright. now if they had all these resources, and the overabundance that they do, then how come it's taking them so long to figure anything out?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>Zulu Empire\n>opens wikipedia about them\n>first picture is a man in a loincloth\nyou're done.\n\n>>35\n>im too lazy\ni see that."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>now if they had all these resources, the overabundance that they do\nResources only are accessible with the tech to extract them.\n\n>then how come it's taking them so long to figure anything out?\nYou need capital and investment to do it\n\n\n>>37\n>you're done.\nthat doesn't really contest his point kid."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nI respect your self-correction.\n\nAs for the 1 billion dollars. Thats pithy to the Power of the U.S. economy. We are the wealthiest nation on earth. Of course we can give a dime towards civil rights. We all should find love in this fucked up world.\n\nAs for Africa have you forgotten that our empires sabotaged infrastructure as we decolonized. Not to mention equipment and beaurecray is uselss to an uneducated population... That sounds logical to you yes?\n\nAlso what do you think about Africa being the fast growing economies on earth?\n\nhttps://www.afdb.org/en/news-and-events/press-releases/africas-economic-growth-outpace-global-forecast-2023-2024-african-development-bank-biannual-report-58293#:~:text=Africa's%20pre%2DCovid%2D19%20top,%2C%20and%20Tanzania%20(5.6%25).\n\n\"Africa is set to outperform the rest of the world in economic growth over the next two years, with real gross domestic product (GDP) averaging around 4% in 2023 and 2024.\"\n\nIntelligence is the ability for an organism to adapt."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>3\nAfrica is where language was invented. Conscious thought. Human intelligence. Creativity. Imagination. Without that, none of the rest would have been possible. Cut them some slack."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nloincloths some paradisal to me. Akin to the times of the Garden of Eden."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>7\nYou mean \"whom.\""}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>to do with our genetics.\nWhite people invented 99% of shit that is killing them as well. If you want to sound smug about genetics, then admit the following: whites are killing themselves, therefore, they are a genetical dead-end."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>29\nAre you a scholar similar to Ancient Greek ones?\nDoubt so.\nProbably you are some smelly software engineer in some outsourcing crap company that shitposts in the internet.\n\nYou shouldn't really talk about genetics, because you are kinda failing at that."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>White people invented everything\nI wonder how many of those \"white\" people were Jews."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>33\nIf a trait varies that means you can't tell if it's genetic?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>39\n>\"Africa is set to outperform the rest of the world in economic growth over the next two years, with real gross domestic product (GDP) averaging around 4% in 2023 and 2024.\"\nWhat about per capita?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>21\nYou're saying the Mali Empire developed mathematical concepts, metallurgy, agriculture, and medicine \"long before they were introduced in Europe\" >>2\n\nWhere did you learn they developed those things before Europeans?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nTell me because I don't know. Be sure to link it though."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>45\nLet's say it was a good percent. Why did white people and white jews invent everything?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>38\n>Resources only are accessible with the tech to extract them.\n>You need capital and investment to do it\nand they came up with neither.\n>that doesn't really contest his point kid.\nonly half-trolling here, show me an even slightly civilized people that still use loincloths.\n\n>>39\n>I respect your self-correction.\nshit happens.\n>Of course we can give a dime towards civil rights. We all should find love in this fucked up world.\nah. yes. communism. can't get me enough of thats.\n>Also what do you think about Africa being the fast growing economies on earth?\nbecause we keep sending them 1 billion for LGBT. c'mon, it wasn't THAT long ago we went over this.\n\n>>41\n>paradisal\n>garden of eden\nnekked"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nAchtung soldier. You asked in what ways West Africa and more specifically how Mali greatly utilized math... I answerered that\n\nexhibit A >>18\nexhibit B>>13\n\n\nFurthermore, it is unlikely that mathematical concepts utilized during this specific era was only known by them and not Europe. It was most likely spread across the majority of the known world by then."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nAs previous stated in first post, they did not."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nI'm saying going from a dollar to two dollars is 100% growth but not that impressive."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>2\nLying cuck l. Niggers have no written language, no history of agriculture, metallurgy, domestication of animals, they're basically stone age caveman, homo erectus monkeys.Their monkey facial feature, and animalistic click sound languages are a dead giveaway. Pajeet land is a literal shithole, compared with gypse ghettos, which is funny since gypses are pajeet immigrants, same with the middle east, with the exception of the ones with oil and willingly taking the knee to the USA"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nI dont see a reasonable or humanitarian reason to oppose my statement that we should all find love in this dark world. Furthermore I dont see how it is delegitimized by being tagged as communism\n\nAlso I believe communism is a hypothetical economic system. your third green text point aim at me.. i dont know what to say because i dont understand what you are getting at. do you hear yourself?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nWhat percent of stuff was invented by white people?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\n>and they came up with neither.\nThat also applies to otehr states too anon, it's not really an African exclusive problem. Most countries just let foreign companies do it because it's just easier. You think every company operating in Canada is Canadian?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nyou got mad at facts and seethingly chimp out. i men like you create lots of great innovations and keep an open mind to learn. :)"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>51\n>because we keep sending them 1 billion for LGBT.\nThey don't. How mentally ill are you exactly?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\n>You think every company operating in Canada is Canadian?\nThey're probably not African."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\nDoes anyone know? Link if so.\n\nAlso, should we include every ancient item too? Also how will we account for inventors using the inventions and concepts of other cultures who in turn used the inventions and concepts of previous cultures... etc etc."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Does anyone know? Link if so.\nThe image I posted from Charles Murray's book.\n\n>Also, should we include every ancient item too? Also how will we account for inventors using the inventions and concepts of other cultures who in turn used the inventions and concepts of previous cultures... etc etc.\nSo nobody invented anything?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nAnd also tend to not be not Canadian. We do have mining companions that operate elsewhere but they only headquarter here because out government defends and enables their atrocities+abuse abroad"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>And also tend to not be not Canadian.\nWhere are they from?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>26\n>the egyptians, who were also descended from indo-european peoples\nEh? The Indo-Europeans didn't get there until classical times. The Egyptians were peoples of the ancient Levant from wayyy before the Semitic peoples, and the Semitic peoples showed up wayyy before the Indo-Europeans showed up with horses and wheels and Zeus-Pitr and shit."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nOf course people invent things. But it is unreasonable to so readily assign such things entirely to one group without giving do credit to ancestors of the idea.\n\nApologies I see that first image was OP who is You. Here's my contention; Why do you trust Charles Murray. His data is questionable and subjective. He has cherry picked pieces and personally ranked what is worthwhile and what isn't. Furthermore how do you trust this one man to be able to know every invention ever made and its origin? His methodology is questionable and vague and comes with emotional bias."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nSo what percent of stuff was invented by whites? If Murray is wrong what's the right answer?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>32\nI dont see how you can call aryans white if you are look at it from a far-right perspective. The aryans were a diverse group of people with a set of wide ranging appearances. They migrated over a large geographic area over a long period of time.\n\nThey constantly interbred, assimilated with and assimilated the various peoples they encountered.\n\nAt the end of the day Aryans are mutts. And nothing wrong with that. Some of the most beautiful dogs are mutts."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nWhen I obtain true enlightenment I will tell you which skin color/skull shape invented the most things. As it stands in my professional opinion from the early industrial era to the 20th century, Western Europeans have played the largest role in innovative technologies. While before them were the Muslims of the Golden Age, and before them the various races of the near east/middle east and greeks. IWhile China and its neighbors have played a competitive role throughout known history. As for today it is hard to tell with such a complex and globalized economy. With so many interracial companies and teams the question autistic and have no value."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>56\n>I dont see a reasonable or humanitarian reason to oppose my statement that we should all find love in this dark world.\nyou're right. only problem is, we tried that in regards to these other nations. do they use said 1 billion to build themselves up, or do they piss it away every time? and sure, you could say that it's because of the gov't inappropriately spending. but if you give money/aid to someone who is bad with money (poor), you're not going to help the problem. and teaching them to fish doesn't seem to work either.\n>Furthermore I dont see how it is delegitimized by being tagged as communism\nit's a rather common talking point for pro-communist stances. anyone against it is labelled as some hateful/evil person that wants to keep their (hard-earned) money to themselves.\n>Also I believe communism is a hypothetical economic system.\nexactly. sounds good to college kids, doesn't work.\n>your third green text point aim at me.. i dont know what to say because i dont understand what you are getting at.\nyou stated here: >>31\n>Africa will be a rampaging beast one day before we know it, with all its resources and people.\nto which i responded here: >>36\n>yes, let's send another $1 billion to egypt for LGBT rights.\nto which you responded here: >>39\n>Also what do you think about Africa being the fast growing economies on earth?\nwhich is the exact same thing you said in the first place, to which i responded here: >>51\n>because we keep sending them 1 billion for LGBT. c'mon, it wasn't THAT long ago we went over this."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nJust me me a ballpark figure. What percent of stuff was invented by whites?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nwhoops lmfao i forgot to stop namefagging, i was trolling some kid in /x/"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nMy brother in christ, that is a chain I will have to read Friday."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nkek i hope you got the little /x/ faggot good. neve been on x but i do consume lots of spooky media on YT."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\nyou disrespected me and have indicated you have not read my well thought out post. :*("}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nSo you're not going to give me a ballpark estimate on what percent of stuff was invented by whites?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n69"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>58\n>That also applies to otehr states too anon, it's not really an African exclusive problem\nby other states, do you mean other non-white states?\nagreed.\n\n>>60\nthey most certainly did.\nhttps://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-slams-washington-military-aid-egypt\nand i was wrong, they sent $1.3 billion to egypt\n>inb4 drumf\neven your fake-and-gay fact checkers admit this (to an extent)\n\n>>66\nnot trolling here, got the sauce on this one? you'd be surprised how willing i am to be proven wrong, despite my hostile attitude.\n\n>>69\n>The aryans were a diverse group of people with a set of wide ranging appearances.\n>diverse\nyes, white people have quite a bit of diversity amongst themselves. different hair, eyes, etc."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>74\n>My brother in christ\nnah, i don't take part in evil.\n>that is a chain I will have to read Friday.\nsomething tells me you won't read it then, either.\n>>75\nkek, i'll check but he does cry when someone steals his name so i'm expecting to returning to some particularly satisfying salt."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nI am;\n>>75\n>>74"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>77\nWho dies one define as white and would Saud guy see themselves as white. How does one count inventions towards a nation, would ethnicity also factor in?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nWhy are you obsessed with our Indian brethren? The concept of the \"Aryan race\" has no scientific basis and is widely rejected by scholars. The term \"Aryan\" originally referred to a group of people who spoke an ancient Indo-European language and migrated into the Indian subcontinent around 1500 BCE. They were a diverse group of people who intermingled with the indigenous population of India and formed the basis for the Vedic civilization. So 'aryan' is not a race, and not a scientifically respected idea.\n\nWe are more different genetically within out group, than between groups if you were unaware.\n\nAmerican Association of Physical Anthropologists Statement on Biological Aspects of Race (1996)\n\nUnderstanding Race (American Anthropological Association)\n\nRace, Genetics, and Medicine (New England Journal of Medicine)\n\nGenetic Variation and Human Evolution (Nature)\n\nUNESCO Statement on Race (1950)"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nunfortunately, sean handled it a lot better than i thought he would. he's learned since the last time i trolled him with that method. melancholic, i'm glad he's got thicker skin but i kinda wanted to see him cry"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nKEK"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the tranny USSR 41% xirself? I thought it was transitioning into a starless classless society"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChad redcon USSR turned into transdemocrat (later transmonarchist) Russia"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine getting btfo by mcdonalds\n\ncommusharts are pathetic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This guy sounds dumb. It's inevitable that politicians with common interests will group into political parties"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He wanted the aristocracy to be united economically. His worry about factionalism was rooted in philosophy of government (feds and anti-feds) and the most divisive economic question of the Union, slavery. His thinking was, we've all agreed to this Constiution that sets out the levels of power in the government and the rules on slavery, now accept it and just govern.\nWashington could not have begun to imagine that modern politics would be so fiercely divided on matters like recognition of homosexuals or legality of abortion."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do people commit suicide?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Either they’re actually mental, or just too lazy to fix their problems."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they can?\nYou can only fix this much, and, considering we're living in the schizophrenic times, most people don't have any long-term planning in regards to their lives.\nAnd when you live day-to-day, at one point, the thoughts of \"fuck this shit\" will come crawling in."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo idea desu, only way I could see it is if you are in a lot of physical pain and there is no other option, so basically what mercy killing would be.\nBeyond that I don't get it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy not?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/19/the-future-of-life-on-earth-depends-on-curbing-overpopulation\nto reduce earth's overpopulation"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlife is not a prison\nyou are always free to go"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs someone who was genuinely suicidal, the biggest motivator for me was losing my reason to live combined with the idea that no one will ever love me.\n\nBasically, suicidal people view themselves as worthless so they take their own lives to save themselves from the shame, and pain that accompanies it. Japanese figures killed themselves because they felt ashamed and worthless after losing a battle. Basically if someone has no purpose, goal, or feelings of worth they'll off themselves.\n\nFor some people their purpose are their kids and them dying or being taken away drives them to suicide. For others, its their work, and having it all gone or destroyed drives them to suicide (think the great depression, lots of suicides over losing money.)\n\nOf course, there are suicides done out of sacrifice and honor but those are less common."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOnly reason I haven’t killed myself yet is because I know it would destroy my family for a while at least. But I can’t last too much longer. And living solely to make some other people feel better when you’re miserable constantly is pointless."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ncowboy up"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>a magical force signals we are overpopulated and it is time to kill ourselves\n>am I a deep intellectual yet"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLife is nigger shit"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Too scared to face reality"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has Jesus ever publicly apologized for what his brother did in China?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nreminder hong died june 1st so you can't eat bugs that day"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would not."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who wants to join my Neo-Taipingist church?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why do sedes embrace vatican 1?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNasal Voice: \"Hello this is Peter Chudjak...\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou know Peter Dimond is not in the truth based on that stupid fucking image in the back.\n\nThere are two types of children, the carnal minded ones who cling to image they call Jesus even though its not him, looks nothing like him, its a false image and leads to hell\n\nAnd people who realize the image is not jesus and thus dont associate with it or any dumb idolatry statues of mary or crucifixes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nwtf christian aniconists still exist?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhat is Calvinism?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nPretty sure most calvinists aren’t Aniconists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nReal Calvinists generally are. You’re probably only familiar with “Reform Baptists” who are much less strict about images and stuff."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">there is no male and female\nchristsisters, how do we explain this to the non-believers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You finally admit that monotheists are spiritual trannies. You guys try to be everything at the same time"}, {"id": 3, "content": "context"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMatthew 19:12\n>For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”\n\nJesus certainly didn't care for masculinity, that's for sure. Otherwise, he wouldn't have advocated self-castration as a legitimate means of getting into heaven."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christcucks hate women! Because Corinthians say wife should be submissive!\n>Galatians state men and women are equal, this means Christcucks are faggits lololololol\ntrying any weapon avaliable in the arsenal arent we?!\n>>2\nLook up the third gender in pagan cultures"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n1 Corinthians 16:13\nBe watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.\nJesus doesnt want his followers be coomer monkeys but, as his followers state, there is nothing wrong with masculinity and strength isntead it is encouraged."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe Bible contradicts itself constantly. That's part of its appeal, ironically. You can make whatever argument you want and probably find a verse that somewhat supports it (even though another probably contradicts it)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nPost two passages that necessarily contradict one another"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nMatthew 5:38-40\n>38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.\n\nImagine a father giving this advice to his son. Would you consider that father a \"masculine\" individual? Or, would you want to beat the shit out of that cuck for raising his kid with such fucked up, inverted values?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)\n>Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)\n\nUnless you want to argue Satan is God then these verses contradict each other. Here's a 100 others.\nhttp://media.isnet.org/kmi/off/XXtian/101ContradictionsInTheBible.pdf"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nBible is, according to both historians and a majority of theologians, is a writtem book compiled by The Church and it was known as whole by The Church and they didnt had prpblems with contradictions, Church fathees didnt faced any contradictions. As if the reading you are doing is wrongas it is a proof-read book checked multiple times."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSee\n>>10\nI'm sure Christian \"scholars\" you know have told you otherwise, but the Bible is filled with self-contradictions. So much so that the Church had to invent \"Exegesis\" just to cope with it"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nNot a necessary contradiction. Both moved David.\nhttps://carm.org/bible-difficulties/who-incited-david-to-count-the-fighting-men-of-israel-god-or-satan/\n\nBetter luck next time"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nSo God and Satan both have the same agenda? That's pretty hilarious cope.\n\nThere are still plenty of other examples too.\n\nDid Jesus say anything secretly?\n\nNo.\n>“I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)\nYes.\n>“He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYes... Have you heard of job?\n\nYou had your chance to choose the strongest example of a necessary contradiction and you objectively failed to provide one.\nI'll consider one more if you concede that the last one fails to show a contradiction."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>\"I'll listen to you if you agree with me!\"\nI won't agree with you because you're wrong, Dirk. Read a Bible for yourself sometime"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nI said post two. Christ I Kd can’t even follow orders."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like how do we explain it to you lot. For all the talk we have about trans people this is more or less the point we're trying to make: that gender is a social construct and not really real.\nI myself am a gender abolitionist. But, in truth on top of gender being a social construct, it's also a social phenomenon that'll be difficult to dislodge from the zeitgeist.\nReally, just recognizing that there is no problem with being trans would be a good step in the right direction for your purpose."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncontext"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nGender isn’t real but sex is.\n\nYou can dress up and act as a woman if you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that you are biologically male."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's about rank."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\n>The Bible contradicts itself constantly\nhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TXRZs52bpnVfiPM9TD_Ukfo\nWrong"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe pointed to a corresponding listener in the crowd when saying these"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\n/thread"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConservatives don’t want to admit that God is genderless. Their entire belief system is a bastardized version of God’s Truth. Don’t tell them about eunuchs and Jesus’ virginity."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>5\nThere was no \"third gender\" universally found in all cultures, nor are there \"pagan cultures\". You might as well say \"non-Jewish cultures\", it has the same amount of specificity and weight."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I have my doubts about the current accepted narrative of the 20th century.\nThe world population in 1900 was 1.6 billion. By 1950 the world population was 2.6 billion.\nContemporary source state that the early 20th century was plagued by great power conflicts (aka the \"World Wars\") and famine.\nCountless of cities were supposedly razed to the ground during the World Wars yet the populations in those cities continued to increase well into the 21st century.\nMost notably in Japan the American warlord LeMay was said to have razed 5 dozen cities resulting in catastrophic loss of life. Again however the population of Japan went from 44 million in 1900 to 82 million in 1960. From under water ruins we found there is also evidence for continued habitation of the lost Japanese city of Tokyo in the decades following it's supposed destruction by LeMay.\nAfter the Roman Empire fell the city of Rome went from a population of 1 million during it's zenith under Trajan to a city of just 50 thousand during the reign of Charles V. The people who remained in Rome were actually living in ruins and quality of life declined considerably. We do not see this same population decline in the 20th century and every single quality of life metric continued to improve. How did this happen if the 20th century was supposedly a century filled with chaos, war and famine?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is idol worship on a psychological level?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBelieving a statue or pictograph is literally an extension of a saint or deity and thus treating it as if it were a person by giving it gifts, sacrifices, etc."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAn attempt to give form to the formless."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWorshipping the human imagination and it's psyche"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Thinking a god inhabits a statue.\nNot everybody using a statue for worship commits idolatry."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe idea is that God is omnipresent so he can simply be worshipped by hailing a tree, a rock or a statue"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe attempt to find the meaning of seemingly unexplainable things, so to reduce uncertainty and ambiguity"}, {"id": 8, "content": "The way I see it, there's two types of idolatry.\n1. The idol as a conduit to the God or figure. Similar to how Catholics pray to statues of Mary or saints\n2. The idol as an avatar of the God, in this case you're literally speaking to the God when you pray to the idol. This was more common in ancient times, I think the Babylonians saw their idols as real, and of course the old testament seems to imply that the Semitic pagans saw their idols as real."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Similar to how Catholics pray to statues of Mary or saints\nOh fucking retarded proddies. Catholics pray at statues for the same reason you have mass in church instead of everywhere else."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nMary veneration looks pretty much the same as any Hindu temple. Adherents even put money and gifts on the statue just like you see in Voodoo. I've traveled to Latin America, they even worship the churches themselves, falling in front of the door and kissing the wood."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>I've traveled to Latin America and in spite of catholics always complaining that they're fucking pagans putting a coat of christianity over native cults I'm gonna pretend that's straight from the catechism\nFucking proddies. You do realize that sudacas of all christian denominations do that shit right?\nThe locals don't give a fuck about christian theology, regardless of whether they go to a catholic, evangelical or orthodox church."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Idolatry is disgusting"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nIt's also more common in certain Roman Catholic groups than others.\n\nSlovaks might not because of their Hus neighbors in Czechland, or their Reformed neighbors in Hungary.\n\nBut another culture like Cubans, Mary statues are everywhere in a Miami cemetery."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>islam\n>idolatry\nfound the retard"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Society puts a lot of contradictory ideas in people's heads and they have to project those ideas on contradictory symbols to remain sane on the long run."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaking God more personal that's all."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are death row prisoners not exploited much more in Western culture? They could be used to perform dangerous labor, serve in the army and much more."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI assume you don't want the moral reasons for that?\n\nforced labor is not all that useful, it's much better to just pay someone to do whatever it is you want"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRunning Man would be kind of sweet."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They could be used to perform dangerous labor, serve in the army and much more.\nAsk yourself: do you REALLY want to wager on the off-hand chance that shit won't turn into another \"Kids for Cash\" scandal?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All RELIGIONS Are Evil.\n\nGeneration Alpha is screwed, if they don't become conservatives. To clarify, to be a conservative, you don't need religion.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVTNV6-tnw [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>All RELIGIONS Are Evil.\nby what standards?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is he so smug?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How does christianity actually cope with this? Does't look like there's much room for interpretation"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I guess one or more of the people who was standing there is still alive as an immortal Jewish vampire"}, {"id": 3, "content": "70 AD"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat doesn't sound like what Jesus was talking about"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus never said end of the \"world\". He said end of the aeon. End of the age. End of the Age of the Old Covenant and Jews. He specifically gave his Olivet Prophecy when his disciples marveled at the beauty of the Temple, and he told them not one stone will be left upon another. They were shocked and asked when those would be, and he went into detail about some of them witnessing.\nIt is the Fall of Jerusalem, the Temple. The Age of the Church is the Kingdom. In addition to all the pestilence, starvation, and war going on, there were signs in heaven leading up to it too. Even witnessed by non-Christian Jews:\n>Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet that continued a whole year. Thus also, before the Jews' rebellion so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which light lasted for half an hour. Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass armed with iron, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night.\"-Josephus, Wars 4:4:5\nAnd ever since, Jews as a people have remained apocalyptic. That was the end of their world. They're an apocalyptic death cult hellbent on revenge. Why do you think they abuse the world as they do?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWhy not?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>it's just an allegory bro! :DDDDDD\nlol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHe compared the kingdom of god to a treasure and something to aspire to, does the Romans sieging jerusalem seem similar to you?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhat verse"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Interesting that it was only roughly 1000 years later that the great schism occurred. Would that be the end of Jesus' kingdom on earth?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>Jesus never said end of the \"world\". He said end of the aeon.\n\nThe passage doesn't tank about the end of the world? Also isn't the new covenant formed with jesus' death on the cross? That is very close time wise from this speech"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIt was matthew, don't remembere the verse"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>70 AD\nbtw, when was this text written?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nYou could interpret it that way, but this supposed kingdom wasn't in any way different from previous eras"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIt's in several of the gospels but mark was plausibly prior to 70ad\nNot that the time of writing matters so much as the time Jesus said it\n\n>>12\n“24. Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. 25. “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26. “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27. “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. 28. “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”” (Mat 16:24-28, NASB)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nI didn't say anything about allegory. It's very real. You're just a materialist and restricted yourself. That's your problem. Not mine. There are things right in front in your face that you still haven't noticed.\nAnd you're also just like Jews, who clamoured for material power themselves. They could see nothing else in their concept of the Kingdom of God except domination of all flesh and material wealth. Now they try to carry it out on their own and have created hell on earth, as a result."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>The passage doesn't tank about the end of the world? Also isn't the new covenant formed with jesus' death on the cross? That is very close time wise from this speech\nAeon means age as much as \"world\". Or a zeitgeist, if you will, which is both an age and a world. And the context of the Olivet prophecy is about Jerusalem's destruction. The problem with so many Evangelical \"end times\" preachers is that they take it out of context. Simple as that.\n\n>Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”\n>So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”-Luke 21:5-7\n>Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.-verse 32"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni'm undecided on the issue but i think there's something to be said for preterism"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell this quote occurs before his crucifixion and resurrection, so perhaps he was simply alluding to that?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nBut that was very close , most of the crowd would have been alive"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSure but only some of the crowd do actually see him."}, {"id": 22, "content": "God doesn't say anything to the people in vain."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nThis"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappened like a few days later.\nIt was when a few of the apostles were spazzing out and were like \"we'll build one tent for moses, one for you etc\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\n>plain sentence\n>yeah but akchoally when jesus said \"some who are standing here will not taste death\" he meant that - in 1,000 years...\nKeep coping bro"}, {"id": 26, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnNJXMkwx4w [Embed]\nWatch this."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>NO BRO, HE MEANT THAT, BUT DIDNT MEAN THAT\nIts a load of shit. Its entertaining watching Christians try and jump through hoops to entertain this idea."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>Immortal Jew\nGrim."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Grim.\nSo you believe that the human sacrifice of Rabbi thousands of years ago has absolved you of your wrongdoings? Oh and that Jew rabbi was also God in human form?\nLOL"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChrist's kingdom, the Church, was already well established before the deaths of the apostles and they were alive to see the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem. In Paul's time, the Church of Rome was famous in the entire world."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>15\n>It's in several of the gospels but mark was plausibly prior to 70ad\n>Not that the time of writing matters so much as the time Jesus said it\nI'm thinking if the text prophesized something that happened in 70AD, and we're not really sure if it was written before or after\nMaybe people writing the text (after 70AD) is putting words to Jesus' mouth, is the more probable explanation. Rather than the text being a recording of an actual prophecy."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nBig presuppositions there"}, {"id": 33, "content": "I’m not even going to check first, but I guarantee they just pretend it doesn’t say what it says, and pretend the words don’t actually mean what they say. That’s what they always do when the Bible is wrong"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nRead through the thread, nailed it"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRefers to the Resurrection and Ascension, not the actual Apocalypse"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nYou did not comprehend what you read"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nThe resurrection would happen not too long after this speech, everyone from that crowd would still be alive"}, {"id": 38, "content": "All of the Bible is metaphorical and not to be taken seriously. It's philosophy for dummies. Jesus was the son of God because dummies wouldn't listen to a sagely philosopher."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nbut they wouldn't necessarily have been present to speak to the resurrected Jesus or to have witnessed his ascension to heaven (literally, the Son of Man coming in his kingdom)"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>3\n>70 AD"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>32\nWhat, that magic is rarer than people writing stories?\nYou too is committed to this belief, I think"}, {"id": 42, "content": "Why you even think Jesus spoke those words is beyond me"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nYes unironically\nYour view that a retroactive attribution is more probable than a prophecy in this case is nothing more than a presupposition\n\nI do appreciate the admission that the statement fits neatly with the fall of Jerusalem"}, {"id": 44, "content": "Atheists have been BTFO'd so many times on this here that I have to conclude it's intellectual dishonesty at this point"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nYes the arbitrary dismissal of the existence of God and the supernatural in the presence of evidence is incredibly presuppositional."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus and Mary were assumed into heaven and both are still considered alive today. Maybe others too, but the Faith has less to say on them."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>>45\nIn any other case than Christianity I think you would agree with me\nThat if we got a text with uncertain dating, that makes an extraordinary prediction/prophecy. It's more probable that it was made up after the fact, that there was something supernatural involved\n\nThere's also the fact that the people who compiled the Bible and decided what was canon, wouldn't want to keep books with outright mistakes in them.\nBible has been curated, I think this makes it less remarkable that there are fulfilled prophecies that occurred in the past, they wouldn't keep mistaken ones in.\n>the statement fits neatly with the fall of Jerusalem\nI myself don't think that's obvious at all, from a plain reading of the text. But I know this is the standard interpretation.\nI'm curious what the people who canonized the Bible thought about it, I can't imagine they would have kept it in if they went with a surface level reading of the text.\n\nI am being consistent. You are the ones who make an exception with Christianity\n\nI am open to the possibility of the supernatural existing, it's just not going to be on the top of my list of most probable explanations.\nPeople make stuff up all the time, I have yet to see a miracle. They are supposed to be extraordinary rare, why would you even go to them for an explanation, even if you believed they can happened?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>It's more probable that it was made up after the fact, that there was something supernatural involved\nWhy? What makes it \"more probable\"? Under what circumstances would it be less probable? I think what you actually mean is that you are absolutely denying the supernatural, and using \"probability\" as a shroud to disguise that. If we can lay aside the presupposition of naturalism for a moment and assume this is what it claims to be, then this is incredible evidence of God and prophecy. But given that any and all miracles and prophecies are dismissed out of hand a priori on the basis that \"those things just don't happen\", you have a standard whereby evidence supporting their existence is prohibited from existing. There is no conceivable miracle or prophecy which could not be dismissed in the very same way even if you were the personal witness of it. Your argument is entirely circular and I reject it. You don't believe in prophecy, but I do believe it, so I don't have your problem.\nNow let's even grant you the arbitrarily derived late date of the gospel: why would the text being written after the events described mean the prophecy is inauthentic? It is not the gospel making the prophecy after all, but the Lord Jesus, speaking decades before hand. What is the relationship between the year the record was written and its historical accuracy? The only real relationship I can say is between your prejudice against God, and your conclusion there's no God here."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>39\nThat's not what he said though, he said that some among the listeners of his speech would still be alive; why imply decades when it would happen so soon?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>the people who compiled the Bible and decided what was canon\nThis is historical fiction. Nobody ever \"decided what was canon\".\n>I myself don't think that's obvious at all\nThen your argument against its authenticity is even less valid because even naturalistic presuppositions won't give you it\n>I am being consistent. You are the ones who make an exception with Christianity\nNo, you are being circular and prejudicial.\n>I am open to the possibility of the supernatural existing\nSelf-evidently false as has been demonstrated\n>why would you even go to them for an explanation\nBecause I believe in God and I don't feel the need to deny what's right in front of me out of prejudice against Him. Miracles are extraordinary, they are not non-existent. If God tells me He has done something, I do not doubt Him."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\nThat's irrelevant, christianity is based on the gospels of which pic in op is a part"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nThe lottery draw is at 18:00\nI wrote down down a string of numbers at an unknown time, you got some reasons to believe it was before 18:00. But you are not sure. My numbers are the lottery numbers.\nWhat is most likely, that I wrote them down after the lottery, or, that I wrote them down before and can know the future by supernatural means?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nAre you God?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome are still alive, as vampires."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nDo you have some particular problem with induction?\nI am utilizing my background knowledge. Nowhere in that knowledge is seeing a miracle occurring. Just people telling stories about them, and never having a camera available for some reason.\n\nWe got a 2000 year old text, with at least two possible explanations.\nMiracle, or, made up\nPeople make up stories all the time. You are also committed to this belief.\nMiracles are extremely rare. You are also committed to this belief.\n\nWhy do you choose the extremely rare explanation, instead of the one you know happens all the time?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nThe problem goes away if you think the Bible got some true things in it, and some false things."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nWhy are you asking me this?\nIf you presuppose that the Bible is the true word of God, there is nothing to explain away, the text is true.\n\nThis is only of concern IF, if, if, if, the Bible is not the true word of God."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>Why do you choose the extremely rare explanation, instead of the one you know happens all the time?\nHe's always going to reply the same thing. \"Cuz God said it\". Christians like him already have the answer to literally every question."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n>Do you have some particular problem with induction?\nI do have a problem with a naturalist using it because it's inconsistent with their worldview which cannot justify natural laws\n>Nowhere in that knowledge is seeing a miracle occurring\nWhat about the miracles of Jesus?\n>those never happened\nHow do you know they never happened?\n>those things just don't happen\nHow do you know those things just don't happen?\n>Nowhere in that knowledge is seeing a miracle occurring\n\n>never having a camera available for some reason\nYeah, I wonder why there's no footage of these ancient events\n>Why do you choose the extremely rare explanation, instead of the one you know happens all the time?\nBecause I do not share your prejudice against God. Why is it incredible that God knows the future?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nA God may very well exist and know the future.\nWe are talking about a 2000 year old piece of text, not a God.\n\nSome guy could've lived died and came back from the dead 2000 years ago, yet the Bible be mistaken about many other things."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>47\nIt's mainstream but partial preterism is not the standard interpretation"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nReally, what's the mainstream view, that Jesus was mistaken? 2000YO Jewish vampires?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nI think it's to allegorize the whole thing but maybe that's dispensational culture speaking"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>7\n>reading comprehension"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do pagans here venerate/worship their ancestors?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "if so, which ancestor they deem as reached apotheosis and became a hero among the gods?\nif not, why?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "You ever think about how scary “ancestor worship” religion would really be in practice? Think about it, your anscestors would be watching over you do every shameful and repulsive thing you ever did. You sweet old grandma would see every second on that Motherless vid you watched. Its not even like a transcendent God is watching you kind of disinterested, these are your blood relatives staring at you doing whatever it is you’re doing."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I'm Chinese and yeah I venerate/worship my ancestors\nI think the Catholics are right that Confucian veneration isn't really worship but at the same time, calling it ancestor worship makes it sound cooler after years of interacting with Christians on 4chan so I say it's that"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nbut pagans did venerate, and still (see Confucianism, Shinto and others) venerate their ancestors. If pagans want to reconstruct their religion, this is the way they should take. This is how shintoism cpuld be reconstructed.\nAlso, no. Ancestors venerating doesnt say all ancestors staring at you doing anything. It is honoring and venerating the worthy ancestors who eill support you in bad times.\nRomans and Greeks did believed in apotheosis, probably Germanics and Celtics had ancestral or at least animist beliefs."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThat's the least of it, if you don't feed the fuckers they become hungry ghosts, actively ruining your life. During a famine if you find some food you have to give it to the altar or your ancestors will lead the steppe raiders or whatever to kill you."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>your ancestors will lead the steppe raiders or whatever to kill you.\nDamn why did dying turn granny into such an asshole?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Puritans were so crazy, they were kicked out of Britain"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The puritan great migration was voluntary\nIt was only the more controversial of them and of those only the outspoken leaders who left by necessity\n\nAlso many puritans did not migrate either to the continent or the new world. There's puritan separatists and puritans which stayed in the CoE. Not even all the puritan separatists left Britain, hence the existence of the URC."}, {"id": 3, "content": "No they were just normal Calvinists like any other Scots. They were kicked out because they formerly held political power."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">congratulations, mein fuhrer! we won the war!\nhow did it happen, /his/? did they capture the caucasus oil reserves or did they try something else?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only thing that could've won Germany the War was if they developed the Atom Bomb before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and successfully scared the Allies into surrendering / America into not interfering"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hero"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">blow ups a bunch of kids and desk jockeys in unrelated government departments\n>\"Heh, I bet the ATF/FBI agents sleeping soundly in their beds after Waco are shidding themselves after this!\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsage"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who were the good guys in the spanish civil war?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Unironically PCE. The only faction with a plan in mind that didn't involve stealing everything (PSOE), killing half of the country (Mola), betraying everyone around you (Franco) or destroying everything (CNT)."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Liberals should have allied with the Catholics/conservatives instead of with the communists"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Also the syndicalist revolution, while based and cool and everything, was really stupid considering the context of a literal foreign invasion"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">good guys\n\nNo such thing. There's only the side you support and their chance at winning."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot the leftists. Never the leftists."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody but throne and altar conservatives are better than communists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody.\nCommies were mostly anarchistshits, and Franco was ok with leveling whole cities and roads with civilians with his fleet."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCarlists"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThey absolutely weren't. They treated their own citizens like WH40K techno barbarians. If Queipo de Llano or Franco were near your town, you could expect horror movie tier atrocities for the \"crime\" of having asked a salary raise to your boss three years ago, or failing to show up in church.\nt. Spaniard with both sides of the family brutalized by one or another faction"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>PCE\nThe people who raped and murdered nuns and desecrated graves for kicks turning literally every catholic in europe and half of spain into unashamed Franco sympathizers?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou're thinking about CNT/FAI. PCE were autistically obsessed with two things: 1) avoiding to alienate undecided workers and petite bourgeoisie, 2) giving control of the Spanish state to Stalin. CNT/FAI were the \"Spanish Revolution now\" spastics you're talking about, the Anarchists who couldn't wait to collectivise all property (including convenience stores and barber shops) and destroy all \"monuments to the oppressors\" like opera houses or cathedrals. Just because 4chan seethes about \"the commies\" doesn't mean that all Republican factions, or even all radical violent Republican factions, were in fact Communists. Orwell hated Communists madly because they made it a priority to smash all anti-Stalinists like his POUM buddies.\nOf course if you believe that anyone more secular and collectivist than Obama is \"a Communist\", I doubt you're qualified to understand the Spanish civil war."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were all Spanish, therefore nobody was Good\n>t. Portugal"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nGive up, Pedro. Every thread about the Spanish Civil War is populated by foreigners who only care about how it legitimizes their favorite team or not\n>t. Brazilian whose great-grandpa was in the Nationalist army"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIsn’t Portugal basically just a mini Spain, like Austria is to Germany?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>Actually it wasn't us it was all the bad lefties\nSuuuure. This totally isn't revisionism after PCE exiles was allowed back into Spain."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>he doesn't know about the Viriatos"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nIt's a similar country, but no it's not \"mini-Spain\", it's more like comparing Czechs to Poles or comparing Denmark to Sweden.\nPortuguese is a distinct language from Spanish. Spanish speakers themselves can tell you that spoken Portuguese is incomprehensible to them."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nnah it's like comparing the Netherlands to Germany"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you believe the Nationalists were wrong for rising up, bear in mind the Leftists did the same thing some years earlier."}, {"id": 22, "content": "What is with this board and talking about shitty mexican wars from third world shitholes no one cares about?\nHow many spics is here?\nWhats next? Congo tribal wars?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>good guys\nfalangists\n>ok guys\ncarlists\n>still better than the commies\nfranco\n>had some legit grievances\nbasque separatists\n>communist scum\npopular front\n>retards who exist to be betrayed by commies\nCNT FAI\n>opportunist scum\nussr\ncatalonia"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDirlewanger"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nLove Carl"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI forgot that he was in that war as well. Man the guy really loved war, didn't he?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>How many spics is here\n>Is here\nYou might wanna go back to school first KEK"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI'm chinese"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe revolutionary nationalists.\nRepublicans were counter-revolutionary scum."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>15\nIt's like a big Galicia"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n中國其實是第三世界國家,不是西班牙。"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Basques"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nBasque Carlists like Solchaga?\nBasque Nationalists like Aguirre?\nBasque Socialists like Rubial?\nBasque Anarchists like Pérez Garmendia?\nBasque Communists like Carro?\nBasque Monarchists like Goicoechea?\nBasque Republicans like Vidal Munárriz?\nBasque Traditionalists like Múgica?\nWhat Basques, anon?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nBasque nationalists, naturally."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>14\n>>10\nI'm Spanish, also had family in both sides, even some changed side and I state that Franco was right even merciful"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>21\nLeftists, you want to say right wing military. (1932)"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>2\nMola and primo de rivera were le based though"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>right wing military.\nisnt Catholicism essentially monarchist? Why Spanish right wingers were republican?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommies\n>give all spanish gold reserves to russians in exchange for nothing\n>tell mussolini that they would give him balearic islands in exchange of his neutrality\n>desecrate churches and start hunt of conservatives\n>failed coup in 1934\n>too retarded that started to fight each others\n>supported with money of international banks\n>degenerated who fucked at streets and brought whores to the frontline\n\nChuds\n>they let the king and cousin de rivera go in 1929 to satisfy the socialists and avoid war\n>good christians\n>they loved their country\n>they endured political persecution by the communists for almost a decade\n>one united front\n>they modernized and industrialized Spain even with a North Korea tier international blockade\n>They made Spain the eighth world economic power\n>overall, they destroyed communist scumbag"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nSanjurjos coup was quite pathetic compared to the Asturian revolution or the July coup"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nFranco by virtue of him being the only person who could have prevented Spain from being dragged into the Second World War.\n\n>Republicans win\n\nSpain gets Blitzed by Nazi Germany during Case Red, the Holocaust and other shenanigans get extended into Spain, Gibraltar is at very real risk of falling.\n\n>any Nationalists besides Franco win\n\nSpain throws its hat in with the Axis Powers and suffers the consequences of inevitable defeat just as Hungary and Romania did."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>all nationalists besides franco were falangists\nt. retard"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe moroccan lads"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nNo, I think first Anon has a good point. Spain had two obvious options, be conquered by Nazis, and actual Spanish Nazis allies would have unchecked power, or join the Nazis and maybe form a proper Fascist government and maybe have some say in affairs but be aligned with Germany in foreign affairs and likely participate in WW2 on their side.\nFranco’s ability to dodge both those most likely outcomes speaks well of his realpolitik acumen."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe legitimate state and government of the Second Republic and its representatives"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nThe Nazis wouldn't have bothered to invade if the Carlists or more moderate nationalists (e.g. Mola or Cabanellas) were in charge, as doing so would have just overextended their resources even more and for little gain, and neither would those guys be interested in joining the Axis.\nAlso, I have personally never been convinced that Francos offer to join the war in exchange for French territories wasn't genuine."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are no good Spaniards."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>18\nPortuguese is as incomprehensible as Gallician or Catalan is. Portugal is mini spain."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>15\n>isn’t Portugal “spanish” like Spain the same way Austria is “german” like Germany\nno, Austria (Osterreich) is german, Portugal is portuguese…"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>t. kingdom of “”””””””””””spain””””””””” larper claiming portugal is as different from galicia as ireland is to england\nlol"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFranco"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>45\nEven in 1934."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>45\nIt ceased to be legitimate when it ceased to follow its own laws."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEL TORO"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nyes, even in 1934\n\n>>53\nsuch as?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nSuch as making murder, arson, theft, assault, rape, and pretty much every crime in the book, de facto legal as long as the victim was right-wing, Catholic, and/or upper class."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>49\nportugal is spain"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nbased"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nIf you think it's based, then don't pretend that the government had any legitimacy."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nThey didn't said that back when Franco's army buckbroke them out of this world in Madrid and the battle of Ebro river"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>41\nNothing bad happened to Romania or Hungary besides the inevitable results of \"USSR occupation\", and Spain obviously wouldn't have been subjected to USSR occupation. They'd probably just be a shittier Italy and switch sides as soon as the opportunity arose, and have to host the US army for a few years.\nIt would be funny to see a 1947 Spanish Miracle when that first Marshall Plan check got cashed"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArmy of Africa who raped their away across Spain and singlehandedly restored Al-Andalus (genetically speaking)"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>49\nSpain is iberian and so is Portugal."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>11\nThere were worse people raping in the war"}, {"id": 65, "content": "There was no good side. On one hand\n> communists\nbacked by Joseph Stalin, the man himself. Even amidst the war, they were cracking down on opposition within the wider left, put aside the razing of church halls and the murders of nuns, monks, and friars. Then\n> fascists and nationalists\nThey murdered a lot more people and they had their black Moroccan troops rape Spanish women and girls. The one cause they get praise is because in retrospect, we know what Joseph Stalin did, but in the 1930s most people did not know that, least of all the common Spaniard"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>46\n> \"the Nazis wouldn't have made a strategic error that overextends their resour...\"\nIf only you were in charge, there would be great German colony towns in Siberia with their classic half timber frame homes and orange roof tiled Gothic church! Why do you think Germany lost the war?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>35\n>This is what modern sp*niards believe\nNo wonder people in spain think democracy is barbaric, they like to be dominated!"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>Nothing bad happened to Romania or Hungary besides the inevitable results of \"USSR occupation\"\nRomania made a lot of progress during the communist occupation and then completely died in 1989. I guess some nations are not compatible with ''Democracy''."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nWhy didn't they invade Switzerland or Sweden then? Those two countries were literally surrounded on all sides by Germany and its allies, yet they were never invaded.\nThe Germans always had their reasons to invade, and they always had their reasons to not invade, and for Spain the latter would have undoubtedly always weighed heavier than the former, except maybe if the Republicans were incharge."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMoroccan soldiers!"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeter Kemp who just went on a little adventure :)"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFASCISM TODAY\n\nFASCISM FOREVER"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>51\nThanks for the rare Franco friend"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>65\nMoroccans aren’t black you fucking idiot"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>18\nWhat about Italian-Spanish?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>67\nDemocracy is barbaric tho. Easily the worst system of government."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>67\nDemocracy is a stupid system of government if your society is like 1930s Spain, which was closer to a Latin American than a European country. Spanish landowners still thought of farmers as cattle. The Catholic Church in Spain still believed that the separation of church and state was an outrage. One of the reasons why Francoist repression went so hard in Extremadura (10% of Badajoz murdered) was because farmers had demonstrated for land reform, which to the average Spanish landowner in Extremadura, was as if your cat and your dog had demonstrated to get a Michelin star meal."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly some of the anarchists maybe, everyone else was bad"}, {"id": 79, "content": "How do spanish chuds reconcile seeing the nationalists as \"their team\" with Franco's imported nafri rape battalions? Going by the moral compass of your average chud the only thing most of them dislike more than commies, freemasons, and jews is imported brown men going on mass rape rampages with the state giving them a green light to do so. I just can't wrap my head around the sort of mental gymnastics you would need to reconcile your chudhood with the nationalists and Franco."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>48\nPortuguese is literally just Galician. In fact Portugal is just Galicia. It's a meme nation.\nOf course the Portuguese pretend it's the other way around, which is completely retarded."}, {"id": 81, "content": "The communists"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>67\nI unironically have still living family from Galicia who were teenagers during the war and report the same thing. At the very beginning of the war, commies and anarchists killed or tried to kill a whole lot of \"wealthy\" townspeople (read : anyone who actually owned their own business). Galicia pretty most instantly fell under nationalist control so this stopped pretty quickly, and the commies and anarchists simply fled into the hills, stayed hidden for about a year, and then just strolled back into town like nothing happened. Nothing ever happened to them, except one or two loudmouths who couldn't get the hint that they needed to shut the fuck up.\nThe post-war food scarcity was pretty fucking bad, though, and this persisted until the late 40s."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nLiteral overblown race baiting propaganda from the communists.\n\nIn the rare instances it did happen, it was justified because communists have no race and no nation- so they’re free game. Plus all the “free love” commucuck men probably jacked off to it.\n\n>>81\nKYS loser"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\nSpanish Chuds don't consider Socialists and Communists real Spaniards, and their usual cope for Franco's Olympic backstabbing is \"thank God we won or Spain would look like Bulgaria, Cuba or Albania\"."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Anarchists and the Carlists."}, {"id": 86, "content": "I hate commies & I want every single on this planet dead immediately. And by commie I mean anyone left of even Milton Friedman who is almost a commie himself."}, {"id": 87, "content": "republicans were based for annihilating christkikes\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>10\nMaybe you should start showing up to church more and beg the Pope's forgiveness for raping those nuns"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nI was based for annihilating ur mums butthole last night"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>85\nBased\n\nAnarcho-monarchism gang"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>39\n>give all spanish gold reserves to russians in exchange for nothing\n\" nothing \" AKA planes, tanks, hundreds of thousands of small arms and military advisors"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>12\n>, I doubt you're qualified to understand the Spanish civil war.\nNeither are you because you're just spewing Communist propaganda. Which is why Franco was better off just shooting people like you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "As a based Orthobro, I am intensely creeped out by how Protestants treat the Bible. Almost as the piece of text itself is the incarnation of God."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI appreciate the depth that many go into it, and learn much from them, but they do miss out on a wider world of the Church and how long the Holy Spirit has been working. The Protestant mindset has been completely memed into thinking that Christ couldn't run his Church for a thousand years.. and then out of a blue, some gluttonous German knew all, and was greater than every saint and bishop and even every Ecumenical Council. In his protest of the pope of Rome, he, ironically, proclaimed himself something even more mindblowing than the Pope himself. For not even the Pope scoffs at the Ecumenical Councils."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI find it interesting how much protestantism is similar to Islam in many ways. I don't think they are trying to mimick Islam but it's some kind of convergent evolution. They are both kind of minimalist versions of Christianity. They both have a magical book, and minimal effort to convert and minimal method of worship. But less doesn't mean better. Holy tradition is real."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsame thing to islam but quran is words of allah"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nMuhammad was so uncreative he had to take ideas that had nothing to do with him or his people. He couldn't even make up new angel names. He just took the old ones everyone knew and made them say nonsense. All of which coincidentally proclaimed Muhammad as the greatest prophet of all time. He's Jim Jones circa 600 AD. Except with more cross eyed and inbred followers, who can't think any better than apes and centered the whole religion on sex."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Almost as the piece of text itself is the incarnation of God.\nKJV-onlyists literally believe this. They think that \"And the Word was God\" means the Bible"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nReally weak strawman. There have been proto-reformers throughout the history of the church and they have been oppressed like Christ said they would be. Many were burnt alive or their ideas of putting God's word above earthly authority scorned because they undermined the powerful.\n\nWe don't ignore church tradition. Most protestant denominations agree with the Apostles Creed. We read church fathers, and many ideas that the pope would consider heretical are found in the writings of Augustine and Tertullian.\n\nPlease tell me how Luther put himself above anyone in saying that scripture is the ultimate and final authority for the church? Ecumenical Councils, like all other earthly authority, are subject to the word. Men are fallible. God's word is not."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nhow do KJV-onlyists rationalise the fact that Bible was originally written in Greek, Aramaic (Peshitta) and Latin (Vetus Latina and Vulgate) and not in Queen's English?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Orthodoxers don't seethe about \"the protties\", Juan"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThe Bible isn't a history book. All protestant arguments fail because of this basic fact, which they are not willing to accept. If you actually presuppose that the Bible is the unambiguous word of god, your argument collapses within the book of Genesis. As there are TWO accounts of creation, which cannot both be true at the same time. You might even say, that we have observed, that none are true, and both are metaphors for man becoming rational and capable of self-reflection, thus falling from the Garden of Eden (the world of non-conscience) to the world of knowledge, full of pain and hardship. If your denomination fails at this basic premise, then your belief lies not with god or the observance of his true (\"an sich\") creation, but with taking metaphors to guide man into a moral life literally, which obviously lead to blasphemy through justifying immoral behavior through wrong literal interpretations, which are at odds with the teachings of Christ and the 10 commandments. Examples for this are the belief in predestination. or thinking that god tells you to hate homosexuals, even though god loves all of his sheep equally and tells you to do the same. Sola scriptura Protestants fall into the same folly as fundamentalist Muslims, to think that their literal reading of the scripture, however much at odds with the basic commandments of faith it might be, are above the inalienable law of god."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThanks for discrediting your faith by telling us, that you have nothing to say"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nKeep coping with the fact that actual born-and-bred Orthodoxers seethe about shit Rome did centuries ago, and not \"what the heckin' L*therans*...\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>As a based Orthobro.\nStop right there, the cringe is unbearable."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThere is no contradiction in Genesis. There is plenty written on the subject that I will not go into, but there is no contradiction or error in scripture.\n>Examples for this are the belief in predestination.\nThat shows how much you care about church fathers I guess. Just because you don't like the idea of predestination doesn't mean it's false. Even Calvin considered it a \"horrible decree\"."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>there is no contradiction or error in scripture.\nYou are either retarded or never read it.\nThe earth is billions of years old, it was not made in 6 days. No snakes cannot talk. No we are not descended from just two people, we would of all been inbred and died out. Genesis 1 and 2 both contradict each other. There is no archaeological or historical evidence for anything in Exodus being true.\nMatthew and Luke contradict each other on the origins of Jesus. Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem, no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\nThe evidence is pathetic. You are a fool."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n> The earth is billions of years old, it was not made in 6 days. No snakes cannot talk.\nDefinitively prove any of this. Find every snake and prove that none can talk. Go back those billions of years you claim and show that the earth wasn't created in 6 days. Read The Genesis Flood.\n> Genesis 1 and 2 both contradict each other\nAlready told you this is false. You can find plenty of writings on how they don't. Not doing your research for you.\n> There is no archaeological or historical evidence for anything in Exodus being true.\nYes there is.\n> Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the origins of Jesus. Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem, no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\nWe have evidence that people were required to return to their place of birth for some censuses. There are plenty of plausible explanations for the census dating question. Argumentum ex silentio does not disprove Luke's account."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtestants are Christian Pharisees, picrel is something my “Calvinist” friend unironically sent to me once\n\n>>7\n>Ecumenical Councils, like all other earthly authority, are subject to the word. Men are fallible. God's word is not.\nEcumenical councils are heavenly authority, and yes they are subject to the Word, just as you are subject to them (only if you want to be truly orthodox rather than go your own way)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Find every snake and prove that none can talk\nHoly fuck Jews made whites retarded through their ideas"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nWhat does that have to do with him being a Calvinist?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "As an atheist I find Orthodox to be vile superstition and am 100% glad it is dying out along with the rest of Cuckstianity."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nI am subject to the Word alone. Any temporal body that contradicts the Word is to be disregarded."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\n>KJV onlyists caring about rationality\nLOL. LMAO even."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Religion is a gay, retarded scam. You faggots are devolving into subhuman tier because you want to OWN DA LIBRULS!!!!!"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>>23\nnietzsche is dead and odin isn't real, larpagan faggots"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nSalafi islam sure...\nBut as someone of mixed catholic/muslim background from each parent, I find the symmetry stunning. The way an average muslim from a village carries on is not too different from the average catholic villager; its why both sides of my family get along so well at holidays. Its quite nice, you only encounter magic book tier idiots when you get to proties, wahhabis, mormons or other degenerate sects who venerate the grammar and autistic detail of MESSAGE ITSELF over the AUTHOR OF THE MESSAGE (god). But what do I know, I am merely a humble immigrants son"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nIs your mom the white one or the dad?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nneither are white, dad is a muslim, i study both religions like the syncretic villager i am in spirit"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\n>KJV onlyists\n>rationalize\nThey don't, most of them believe that shit cause they are Anglo-Saxon supremacists that believe only anglophones can be saved, they'll say some shit about how the Reina Valera version is God in Spanish but they don't believe that, to then God only speaks in Shakespearean English"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nSola scriptura\n\n>>21\n>Any temporal body that contradicts the Word is to be disregarded\nWas Christ not temporal? Pharisees thought he contradicted scriptures too. How do the councils contradict scripture? The councils canonized scripture. And they were all agreed upon and ratified by worldwide Christendom. Then you come along like a spoiled bitch and say they don’t apply to you"}, {"id": 30, "content": "These threads are bait"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nAcknowledge that the pan-Christian ecumenical councils come from heaven and that you should submit to them"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nI'm not going to sign off on some bizarre idea of theological submission in the mind of someone who wrote \"pan-christian ecumenical\""}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>pan-Christian\nJust in case you forgot that these are what all of Christendom believed and affirmed until the reformers came along. Not everyone knows what it means"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\n>>27\nSo what's it like living in a interfaith family?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nI know two sets of prayers to the same god, i learned two sets of cuisines, and I mix mexican fingerstyle magic into eastern guitar, its pretty chill. But again both sides basically are just happy the other side are moral people who have strong faith, no crazies really, its fun when everyone comes together and have some amazing discussions. Youd be surprised how similar pakistani and mexican folklore is for instance."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\nAtheism only has a 20% retention rate. It doesn't last long-term."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\nAnd Christ backed up his word. He fulfilled a mountain of prophecy and literally rose from the dead. Which ecumenical council rose from the dead? Which one fulfilled all the messianic prophecies?\n\nDo you accept Second and Third Ephesus? What about Hieria? Your myth about Complete Ecumenical Unity flies completely in the face of reality."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nSo your argument is, because Christ is risen, and the church has rejected certain councils, that gives you the right to dismiss them all?\n>Which ecumenical council rose from the dead? Which one fulfilled all the messianic prophecies?\nIf you want to be technical, the church is the lived reality of Christ’s resurrection—so all of them"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nWhere did I say I reject Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus or Chalcedon? But it is impossible to view these councils, even if what they say is true, as some kind of authority equal to scripture and they must be tested against it. Because the church later rejected certain councils, rival groups often held separate councils, etc., it is clear that there isn't some consensus as you have claimed."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nEcumenical Councils are events whereby the bishops of the Church gather to discern and clarify the teachings of the Scriptures in response to various theological controversies and challenges that arise within the Church. They don’t have to be holy writ or “on the level of scripture” to be binding on the faith. They are simply what the Church has agreed that one needs to believe in order to be a Christian as opposed to a scripture-twisting heretic. The Bible says the Spirit is guiding God’s people even today and that the Church herself is the truth’s bulwark against heresies so it should not surprise you that you would have something like this."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Bible says that Christ is the Logos, a greek philosophical term, and that the Logos became flesh\n>King James version translates Logos as \"Word\"\nmillions of English speaking Christians then think that the passage is talking about the bible or something"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nI accept the first four's doctrines. However, they are still ultimately subject to scripture, as all church tradition. God guides the church through His word."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nevery ecumenical council uses scriptures to confirm their doctrine. what makes the first four's usage of scripture more valid than the latter? it's ultimately about WHO has the authority given by God to correctly determine the meaning behind scripture at the end of the day"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>However, they are still ultimately subject to scripture\nCan you explain what exactly that means? Does it mean “they are liable to be judged by me based on what I find in scripture”? Because if that’s what it means, it hardly sounds like a sound principle to me. Christianity is more than just you, your Bible, and God—you have all the rest of Christ’s true followers and the whole church that you need to be on the same page with to know for sure that you’re right with God."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nthe essence of Protestantism is rejecting the notion that God left behind a visible Church with authority (Catholics and Orthodox both believe in the authority but interpret it differently) and also that the individual can discern for themselves what is true down to the individual doctrine"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nSounds like a recipe for judgment"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nCharlatans twisting scripture to their own ends do not invalidate its authority. If anything, they strengthen it. The only way to repudiate such false teachers is with scripture. All churches throughout the centuries have been rife with such corruption, and in many cases they have even used the authority that church claims to have to lead believers astray. Such men are subject to the Word."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>Charlatans twisting scripture to their own ends do not invalidate its authority\nBut this is what happens when the church is “subject to scripture” as opposed to being an authority in its own right. Because, you never answered the question, but does or does not “subject to scripture” mean in effect “liable to be judged by me according to what I find in scripture”? Councils being binding and a church which is binding is the direct logical consequence of 2 Peter 1:20."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>35\n>Same god\nheh..."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nSubject to scripture means that in each man's conscience, he should read scripture and put to test any church practice against it. It's impossible for a believer filled with the Holy Spirit to be led astray in any deadly way by scripture (see: 1 John 2:20, Acts 17:11).\n\n1 Peter 1:20 speaks to the authority of scripture and actually contradicts what you are saying."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>14\nand all those people cain meets who are conveniently leftout of the genealogical records came from..."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>Subject to scripture means that in each man's conscience, he should read scripture and put to test any church practice against it\nEveryone is a pope then? Imagine getting to judge the churches of God, as opposed to having to submit to the body of Christ which is already there. Must be nice being Jewish..."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\nhey i think scripture says X thing and then you say that scripture say Y thing. at the end of the discussion everyone has their own interpretation and it just comes down to who has the authoritative one. but who has the authority? who can we trust? anyone can use scripture to make whatever argument they want"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\ninteresting because most people who just read scriptures have widely different views from what they read. even mainstream essential doctrines like the trinity are often lost on people who just read the bible for themselves. that is why there is a massive diversity when it comes to christian denominations. is it really up to the individual?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nBut 1 John 2:20 tells the reader “you know the truth”, do you think John is lying?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Almost as the piece of text itself is the incarnation of God\nIt IS bro. That's the point. Jesus is the Word incarnate. Did you miss that part?\n(Of course you didn't, I know that this is bait)"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nR u srs bro?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nYes, we are to weigh what any man says against what is written in scripture. Acts 17:11. Why are the Berean Jews commended for putting Paul's teachings to the test against scripture? They should just submit because they can't possibly understand the esoteric mysteries of God's Word. They should have just blindly followed the words of the magisterium."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nJesus is the Logos bro, not the fucking Bible."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nDon’t go blindly, but don’t get the wrong answer either. Paul [representing the church] guides them and helped them to understand, same as the Ethiopian eunuch of Acts 8, who says “How can I understand unless someone teach me?” The Apostle Peter even writes: “His [Paul's] letters contain some things that are hard to understand”. But no, I’m sure you’ve zeroed in on the truth and are fit to judge every single church out there."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nProtestants actually believe that"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\nwho is John talking to? an ecclesiastical authority at the time or you sitting there with your bible?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where did the idea that geniuses/smart people are not good looking come from? Is it the influence of American 80s high school comedies where the nerd wears braces, thick glasses and has acne? I've seen many photos, paintings and images of geniuses of the past and they all seem to be mostly normal and some even good looking. Makes sense since physical appearance is the mirror of the soul therefore someone who is ugly is likely to have ugly thoughts as well. Sure, ugly nerds make good pen-pushers and members of the managerial class but they're only high-achieving when compared with bimbos and niggers from their high school, they are nowhere near the likes of Newton or Gauss. Or perhaps reverse halo effect is at play here and those geniuses weren't that attractive and were only imbued with attractiveness by posterity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Smart kids are often bullied in school as nerds and geeks, and this can lead to being poorly socialised and unkempt. But yeah there is no correlation between being hit with the ugly stick genetically and being smart (with the exception perhaps of some Ashkenazi Jews: maybe this is part of the reason for the stereotype you're talking about now that I think about it)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou would think high IQ people would be *better* looking because maybe they just have better genes in general. Maybe there's a loose association between IQ, wealth, attractiveness, empathy, physical health, whatever."}, {"id": 5, "content": "*blocks your path*"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nCIA plant"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think unironically it's from the American media being forwarded by the kind of people that peaked in highschool"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically Jews.\nIt's part of the jealousy and hatred the weak and sickly Ashkenazi Jews have towards the tall and athletic Europeans. Notice how the nerds usually get a good ending in media?\nThis stereotype didn't exist before Jews took over Hollywood."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nThis is Jim Morrison, right?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nhttps://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp90-00845r000100080005-4"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUgly nerds like to think of themselves as genius. Reality is basically the inverse of 80's movie tropes. The big blonde athlete is the \"bad guy\" because those movies were written by resentful dorks. Chad and Stacy with their exceptional looks, their athletic and instinctual brilliance are the great people and achievers irl. If Newton wouldn't have been such a sperg and also grown up in our era he would have been stuffing guys like Schopenhauer into lockers and taping them shut, going to keggers in the woods with Stacy after the big game, etc."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nJim's penis is indecent?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFashion is a big part of attractiveness and behavior.\nNerds may not be ugly due to genetics, but are unattractive because they're odd and don't work to fit in with the expected appearances of their context and society."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>It's part of the jealousy and hatred the weak and sickly Ashkenazi Jews have towards the tall and athletic Europeans.\nJews can be attractive in part because they look kinda weird. One of the most academically successful girls I knew in high school was this Asian girl who had a crush on Jason Schwartzman (Rushmore version), but he plays King Nerd in the movie, and more energetic and athletic than the others, but would lose against the jocks. Human attraction can be a strange thing.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/yMyh6ptegko [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Natasha – 10 years old\nIn October of 1962, a long article criticizing Christians appeared in the Evening Kiev newspaper. My parents’ names were mentioned in it. The next day at school, my teacher Mrs. Alekseeva was telling us about cavemen, their customs, and religious practices. Suddenly she exclaimed, “Children, can you imagine that even in our day there are people who believe in God just like those cavemen did?” The kids giggled. “Science has proven that there is no God,” the teacher continued, “and progressive-minded mankind rejected all religious beliefs long ago. But occasionally even today we encounter people stupefied by religion. And such a girl is in our own class!” Mrs. Alekseeva stopped and peered at the class. Everyone was silent, waiting for what would come next. She turned to me. “Natasha Vins, come forward, stand before the class, and tell your comrades. Is it true that you believe in God?” I felt a sudden panic. Like a little animal being hunted, I wanted to hide, to become invisible. “Well? How long do we have to wait?” the teacher repeated in a stern voice.\nSlowly I walked forward and turned to face the class. Tense silence hung in the air. Quietly, almost in a whisper, I said, “Yes, I believe in God.”\n\n“What’s wrong with you?” the teacher exclaimed angrily. “Are you that ignorant? Didn’t you read what Yuri Gagarin said after he returned from his space flight? It was in all the newspapers. He did not see God anywhere! You’re in the third grade already! The Soviet State is making every effort to give its children the best education in the world, and here is the result. How shameful! Go to the principal’s office.” . . ."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God created the heavens and the earth. Then he created the Hulkamaniacs, brother!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe's such a cutie."}, {"id": 4, "content": "lol I wish we had teachers like that today, would mean fewer christards"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSatanic state that crumbled on its evil and lies, good riddance."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni wonder who ever read this and assumed anything in the Soviet press was not state agitprop or that this article was printed when Khrushchev was embarking on a major anti-religious campaign"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nimagine wholesome christian marriage"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\ndidn´t work, russian churches are full nowadays"}, {"id": 9, "content": "based teacher"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Go to orbit, say there's no God\n>Go to the Moon, read from scripture and take communion on its surface\nWhat did [no God] mean by this?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nThey unironically thrive on persecution.\nLiberalism has the best cure for religion, lightly mock it in the media and other than that generally ignore it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>lol I wish we had teachers like that today, would mean fewer christards\nbut anon, all teachers today are already your pet homosexual propagandists?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nTake your meds."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\n>Jews\n>positive contributions\n\nYou HAVE to go back"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n\nSeethe Kraut"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>peer nominated award"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Soviets unironically believed God was physically in some ethereal zone between the stratosphere and the moon\n>for this they begin calling others primitive"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>majority done by White Christians\nlol\nalso\n>jews\n>intelligent\nyeah they really enlightened everyone in the vilnius ghetto lmao"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nit's what biblical cosmology claims, hence the sky being called \"the heavens\"\nhe got moved to an extradimensional realm or whatever afterwards as a means of cope when they didn't find him"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>Soviets unironically believed God was physically\nThey literally didn't isn't this precisely what you are malding about?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nI call them Puke-a-maniacs"}, {"id": 22, "content": "sexo"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nThis lmfao"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nbiblical cosmology never once places God's physical location betwixt the earth and moon lmao.\n>the sky was called the heavens\nIt was called the heavens, mostly by people who lived after the Bible was penned, and primarily because heaven is ascended, not because its inbetween Man and Star.\n>>20\n>they literally didn't\nThey literally were looking for a physical being, they unironically believed that God was a physical creature dwelling between the earth and the moon.\n\nThey unironically and literally believed they had proven God was not real because they did not find him physically abiding in the empty void betwixt Man and Star.\nalso you seem mad, is it because Soviets were ass backward commiecucks and I mocked your sacred cow?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMade for bwc"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Greek and Roman ships have eyes?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtection against the evil eye or some other superstition"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy did modern soldiers paint their helicopter with shark mouth?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo they could see where they're going of course."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did Greek and Roman ships have eyes?\n\nSo they can have depth perception duh\nHow else would you hit a moving ship with a shipborn catapult"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThis, it's a superstition.\nChinese junks had the same.\n\nEuropeans dropped the eyes and replaced them with statues and paintings of sea myths (see all the decorations on the galleys used at Lepanto). Eventually settled on figureheads.\nThose carried us all the way into modernity."}, {"id": 7, "content": "They probably unironically worshipped their boats as minor deities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nWrong.\n\nIt's pure aesthetics."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nTo ward them against the satanic sharks and other superstitious stuff."}, {"id": 10, "content": "To see?? Dumbass."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo the ship looks like a terrifying monster"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo they could see dumbass"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nThey didn't"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo they could see dumbass"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn’t want their boats to be blind, retard."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFishe"}, {"id": 17, "content": "because it looked cool you subhuman"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Probably a combination of a lot of factors:\n>Religious/cultural sentiment, as in many ancient religions gods were said to inhabit bodies or water or were said bodies of water themselves\n>Aesthetic inclinations, just because it's 600BC doesn't mean people don't like looking good and riding around on/in things that look cool\n>Intimidation, because it's probably pretty frightening to have a thing that looks like a sea monster staring at you\n>Identification, makes it easier to see which ship is where and remember who's on which ship"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would this have just been a bigger Myanmar?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Think South Korea during the Park Chung Hee era when it was heavily industrialising and modernising itself\nDoesn't matter. The US would still find ways to antagonize the KMT and the KMT itself would be galvanized against Russo-American influence"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Too many butterflies with USSR/Cold war dynamics.\n\nROC Economy was already developing despite Japan (it even developed well in the south whilst the north had the civil war raging) so likely it would have less people (600-800m) but a much better GDP per capita than today. No great leap forward, no cultural revolution, no command economics.\n\nlikely means in this timeline chinese culture is far more intact, but also far more alien, meaning it doesn't make much impact on western culture. doubt there would be 'chinese anime' or anything like that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPark Chung Hee didn't have to deal with insurgents at the level a KMT victory China would have dealt with. The PRC didn't have to deal with much insurgencies because the KMT had no popular support. But the ROC would have had a shit ton of Maoist insurgents."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nVGH. What could have been...\n\nDamn commies always ruining everything"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think it would just look like China in the 21st century. An authoritarian, capitalist regime where shit is made for cheap but with a less ambitious government."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nwithout 30 wasted years of economomic development (1949-1979 in IRL china) it would be much further ahead in the development cycle and most places in china, especially the coast, would be western europe tier."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nDepends on the timeline. Is this post japan eating shit or is this a timeline where japan never invaded? Because before the japs Chiang was close to wiping out the commies entirely. They lost a lot on the long march and Chiang’s encirclement campaigns were squeezing them into a tighter and tighter area. If the japs didn’t sperg the commies would’ve probably been wiped out"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>but with a less ambitious government.\nidk about that fren, a powerful KMT would still involve themselves in irredentism. They'll probably start shit with Russia over outer Manchuria and still be the same towards Rajesh.\n\nThe west will probably not care about Tibet or Xinjiang in this timeline though lmao."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>China but good\nDon't make me cry, anon."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>likely means in this timeline chinese culture is far more intact\nday 364 of waiting for plebbitbrain retards to understand that extreme totalitarian Legalism and wiping out the past IS a key tenant of Chinese culture"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThis. It would also probably be a much more friendlier, humane, cosmopolitan country."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwithout one child policy it likely wouldn't be staring down the barrel of a demographic collapse unlike anything seen in the modern world before\n\nmodern CCP China is making Japan look virile and stable"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nIn this timeline it's likely China being capitalist and aggressive pushes India firmly into the Soviet camp. So yep, west is going to be fine with China having Tibet and keeping that border secure. Pakistan becomes more interesting\n\n\n>>13\nYeah ROC would have far less people but a healthier demographic situation, it's a lot easier to plug the whole with some migrants (they could take from South East Asia) when you have a population of 600m. Impossible with 1.4bn, the number of oldies is simply too much"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nA lot of these claims are basically posturing asserting that the communist bandits didn't have the authority to make territorial treaties rather than actual claims. The ROC on Taiwan even has unofficial bilateral relations with Mongolia."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>A lot of these claims are basically posturing asserting that the communist bandits didn't have the authority\n\nIn our timeline.\n\nBut in a KMT China where Changs didn't fuck around with internationalism and went straight to nationalism? They're gonna be pressing those."}, {"id": 17, "content": "We live in the gayest of timelines."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Burma with less ethnic conflict (the minorities are way smaller as a proportion of population, and therefore have less realistic ability to secede). Plus landed gentry in the countryside and a major organized crime problem.\nMao killed a lot of people but also swept away a lot of aspects of China that were genuinely holding the country back, and Chiang was too politically beholden to many of them to do likewise."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\nwouldn't it have a bigger population if there were never any famines? also nice digits"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nIt would have dealt with much more internal divisions and strife which is worse for economic growth. The KMT was always more divided than the CPC, especially one that remains on the mainland and continues its ties to numerous regional warlords."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Asian Brazil"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nLmao Taiwan has the second lowest birth rate today after South Korea"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">protons and neutrons use gluons to hold together in atoms\n>spacetime itself bends under the mass of accumulated atoms\n>electro-magnetism is not only the final ingredient keeping matter together and coalesced into large masses..\n>it organizes it into all known shapes of matter, creates compounds and complex chemistry\n>when run through circuits in specific ways it can do calculations, process data and even create sentient beings when run through the labyrinth of brain circuitry\n>all things heavier and more complex than hydrogen were forged in the hearts of stars and blasted out into the void in supernovae\n\nEven if it did turn out that there is no gods for sure and atheism is true, this universe is beautiful and endlessly fascinating.\nAt the most straightforward conclusion we’re still basically in a realm of magic animating forces, ourselves made up of these same phenomena.\nIt’s a shame that doesn’t get more play here."}, {"id": 2, "content": "yeah but the laws are not determined by a super structure, ie stemming form some constraints. nobody knows why the laws are what they are"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n“Why” might very well be a confused human projection where we’re trying to attribute motivation to something that doesn’t have one.\nI’m not saying that’s definitely the case, I’m just saying if it were the universe would still be an incredible place."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nme likes splitting planets' moons and splitting solar systems' suns"}, {"id": 5, "content": "http://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/lists/Supernovae.html"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of the most decent post on /his/ in years"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nI don’t get the butthurt, truly baffling to me. Why does it make you mad man?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThanks bro"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this universe is beautiful and endlessly fascinating.\nSaid the ground beef in the butcher shop"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Even if it did turn out that there is no gods for sure and atheism is true, this universe is beautiful and endlessly fascinating.\n“God” as a concept matters more than the acktheist strawman of god being physically located somewhere in the world, pulling the strings of every event to ever happen. All animals have the ability to sense the environment, and any animal with the sufficient organizational capacity would be able to learn and catalog scientific truths about the environment. Humans are different in that our intellects are abstract, and tend towards concepts as nebulous as “God.” There would be no way to experience beauty or fascination without such concepts. Not to mention that there are no conclusions in science, only recursive questioning: today it’s gluons and electromagnetism, but this paradigm will shift as we learn more about how the physical world operates. This has little bearing on how human beings operate.\n\n>>3\n>“Why” might very well be a confused human projection\nThis is borderline misanthropy, and it’s hypocritical that you would say a certain line of questioning is confused when the whole point of science is to ask and investigate questions about how the world works. I never understood why atheists object to groveling before the archetype of power and goodness, but they’ll do so for an empty void with bright lights and fun facts.\n\nWhy can’t atheists accept that science and religion aren’t mutually exclusive?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAnyone who doesn't already agree with you will consider this to be a very uncharitable interpretation of the OP."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "> survived hundreds of empires\n> translated into many languages\n> Alternative entertainment to YouTube, TikTok, and other social media"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What about it?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hundreds of empires\nIt survived three empires. One died in 1912, the other one in 1917, and the last one in 1918."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou should consider the alterations it suffered, just like what the Germans did to the Sacred Texts of the Indian Culture."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">> 14924441\n\nIt had an authors who inspired his writers to write them."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n\nIt had an authors who inspired his writers to write them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n\nMust have been because of all that ruckus going around in WW1. We can get older-er versions, cuz why not"}, {"id": 8, "content": "It has bestiality porn in it, but worst of all it had Hellenic additions to it. Greeks ruin everything, should destroy the entire language and all their historical artifacts and literary references. Nothing good has ever come from that savage horde that foolish sympathetics decided to call a culture."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It’s the Fuhrer’s birthday today."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappy birthday ! He’s an interesting man who reminds me of myself"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nare you trans, into incestual rape, a drug addict, and going to kill yourself in 10 days?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIm not a leftist, no."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nwell then you're nothing like hitler. good 4 u"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nI am into all of those things excerpt the trans part. Who says he was trans ?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nhe took hormones and a lot of the top ranking nazis were closet gays and crossdressers."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHe took estrogen ? Did that even exist back then ? Also I am closet gay"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nyeah, lots of the nazis were into that stuff. he was addicted to it. it makes a lot of sense when you realize he only married his wife just before his death. he was a trans lesbian and finally accepted himself"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>hitler wuz\n>source: jewish homosexuals"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nconsidering hitler was jewish... that's actually very accurate"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nWell I expect as much from desk jockeys, I think the actual men of war were somewhat normal tho ?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nno, there are literally thousands of photos of nazis cross-dressing. most of them were at least gay"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">good, commence bombardment"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Made jews seethe and refuted their \"God chosen people\" status\n>Made trannies seethe\n>Make anglos seethe\n>Made slavs seethe\n>So based they remain seething\nHow did he do it?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nDamn…not my nigga meinstein… on another point what’s up with that era and crossdressing it was popular in the 20’s and men like Roosevelt and McArthur were forced to wear girl clothes as kids ?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI thought Trump was born in June?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nI’m not Hitler, so no."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd Gabriel Tenma's birthday too! Let's post Gab!"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI kneel, king"}, {"id": 21, "content": "I kneel"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappy birthday!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow old is he?\ndon't wanna get the wrong card."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nGem"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\n>... right after I watch my interracial propaganda film 2nd time this day"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Happy Christmas"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Happy birthday Führer! Heil Hitler."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26h\nttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkpStMrZ_uQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI hate when British people try to be funny"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHBD Mein Fuhrer!"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>14\n>good, commence bombardment. First let me beg the evil capitalist west for more lend lease weapons"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nHBD Gabu!"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\nFucking based"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nYeah, but the racist butter speaks for itself."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">not even /pol/ is celebrating Hitler's birthday\n\nWow, that sucks. I genuinely thought that /his/ was better than /pol/. I was wrong. Dead wrong."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappy birthday to the man that destroyed Germany!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>20\nYou don/t have to call me \"Sir\"--I work for a living..."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDUDE\nWEED"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>21\nno need"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\nBolshie groupies everywhere\nFollow your khan's bipolar gypsy concubine\nDie of “appendicitis”\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFl3Q_56QDE [Embed]\n\n>Angel"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>23\nIV"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>24\nEven Alexander Moritz Frey, a medic who disliked Apollo, and later became a science-fiction writer ((and fled Germany after Apollo came to power)) nonedheless wrote ov Apollo\nQUOTE WHEN PEOPLE CLAIM DHAT HE HAD BEEN A COWARD, DHAT/S NOT TRUE UNQUOTE\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRPEsRp3utc [Embed]\n\n>Yellow Lies, Golden Truths"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>25\nJoseph \"Queen Of Spades\" Stalin"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>26\nThank You"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>29\n\"Thank you, £ord rat$hit, for this completely pointless state of war between two kindred Saxon nations\""}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>36\nHell is a triumvirate now..."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>17\nYou have to go back"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappy birthday. We should do more birthday threads for historical figures."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love Hitler."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>14\nUnfathomably based"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where is JWanon? Havnt seen him in a while"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not Lara, but I'm JW and an anon, does that count?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't bring him back are you retarded"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nturn from your wicked ways heretics, the punishment is upon us"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI blew her the fuck out too many times"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhes currently in this thread >>unknown →\n\nYou can tell its him by adding a space before ?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nJehovah's Wiccans (JW) is the One True Religion.\n\nJW"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>6\nBide the Wiccan Laws we must: In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.\nLive and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.\nCast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.\nTo bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.\nSoft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.\nDeosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.\nWiddershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful tune.\nWhen the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.\nWhen the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.\nHeed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.\nWhen the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.\nWhen the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.\nWhen the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.\nNine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.\nElder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.\nWhen the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.\nWhen the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and The Horned One rules.\nHeed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.\nWhere the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.\nWhen ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.\nWith a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.\nMerry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.\nMind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.\nWhen misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.\nTrue in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.\nEight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.\n\nJW"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI ain’t reading all that. Imma just call you a faggot and dip. Hi, faggot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Havnt seen him in a while\nenjoy the silence, fool."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAll honor to Her name."}, {"id": 12, "content": "He was disfellowshipped by the Watchtower society for congregating with nonbelievers, he is now a tradcath larper"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nshe"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nToo many sata..I mean atheists around lately."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe’s busy washing his magic undies."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nthis is correct\n>>15\nshe, newbie"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were white slaves so expensive compared to slaves of other races?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">whites from georgia and circassia\nkek"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngee, i dunno.\nall races are the exact same.\nso shouldn't they cost the same?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they are sex slaves, and in the opinion of people from that culture females with light skin were considered more attractive. That's all there is to it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause all races are equal and anyone saying the opposite is a white supremacist"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndemand\navailability\netc"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nthere is more to it than light skin"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWho is this Hyperborean queen?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWould"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Andalus, a white woman cost 1000 dinars whereas a black woman cost between 10 to 30 dinars. The reasoning behind this fact was that Whites were prettier and smarter and thus had a higher value. Basically common sense.\n\nftfm"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nDo they look black to you?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore attractive. The Ottoman elite essentially turned themselves into white people by having Slavic concubines have their children in succession."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nAre roaches black? Are they white? No.\nI like churkas but considering them white means including turkrats as white and im against that"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nThey are chiefly tawny"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIn the past they were white and had the features of classic greek sculpture"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nA white man cost more than a white woman in the Barbary slave trade"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nYou can include them and not Turks. That's what I do.\nThis is like bitching that the Hungarians aren't white and deciding half of the Balkans aren't either."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Civilization is where wild boars"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nCan't fast castle without 2 boars."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan Muslims eat boars?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou'd think pigs and boars would have been introduced earlier into Papuan culture with how important they are to them. But not they're relatively recent as far as domestic animals go."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\niirc their invasive range is much larger these days, they're all over south america"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThat's the whole Pacific desu\nI think it's just hard to raise anything bigger than a pig + fishing cultures produce a lot of food waste that pigs can consume."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAWAY DOWN SOUTH IN DIXIE"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmesoanon...it's over..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nNo.\nt. former Muslim"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nAnd 4 deer"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nWild boars existed before Islam"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nHow do they do it? What kept them under control before but not now?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nSo if it wouldn’t be rude of me to ask, what motivated you to leave Islam? Did you join another religion, or are you irreligious now a days?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWater"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNo, I'm pretty sure pigs were imported there centuries ago"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHere we had other wild boar like animals called pecari which were slowly replaced over time by pigs. Boars didn't become widespread over Eurasia in less than 500 years."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nCaititu (or as my Brazilian friend violently objected NOT A PIG)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\nThey are.\n>>12\nThere used to be more hunters. Over here, we can only hunt boars, hogs, capybaras and a certain species of invasive deer that doesn’t exist in my state. Not a lot of people are willing to take the due diligence to avoid killing the wrong animal and going to jail.\nAlso, most of their predators have a very small population. I think only mountain lions can kill them here."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThey are not pigs, but they sure look like pigs."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nYeah. Catetos don’t have tails and are usually smaller (but can also be bigger) than boars."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Allegedly, the Roman republic and the Athenian republic were founded at nearly the same time. Of course, you have to remember than ancient records were in many cases, propaganda or flat out wrong, but I’m interested in when the two polities would have caught word of the other and what their interactions were like."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnlikely, because the two cities were hardly comparable at all in terms of development. Rome became great, but for much of the time that Athens was an important hub, Rome was tiny and regionally unimportant."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSo when did the city and state of Rome become important enough for diplomatic relations and trade with Athens to become significant to any degree?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLivy mentions not Athens but Carthage no doubt because of later events. It's almost as if ancient 'history' is just as made up as the History Channel ancient alien's episodes. Tha latter at least tries to base itself on evidence unlike the manuscripts \"found\" in dusty old libraries"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey interacted with carthage, which was a republic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nDuring the Second Macedonian War when the Romans and Attalids were looking for allies against Macedonia.\n\nThough it’s not inconceivable that mainland Greeks had relations with Rome prior to Rome’s ascension."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInteract commercially for sure. It's unlikely they had much of a diplomatic relationship however, since they were outside of each others' sphere of influence."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo but nearby Etruscan towns in Latium sent a few triremes to help Athens take Syracuse in 413 bc"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot directly probably. Although it's obvious the early Roman Republic had contact with Greek colonies like Syracuse."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTarquinius Priscus’ father was a Greek merchant from Corinth so they probably knew of Athens decently well even in monarchic times"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">that time YHWH demanded that his followers build an idol and worship it\n>that time he demanded that all male babies get their dicks sucked by creepy old men\n>that time he demanded a flesh sacrifice of the collected foreskins from defeated enemies\n>that time he demanded for someone to sacrifice their son to prove that they will do anything he tells them, then makes the whole story okay by saying it was a prank\n>that time he couldnt defeat iron chariots"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased YHWH sounds like an awesome warlord that will give me victory"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>that time he demanded a flesh sacrifice of the collected foreskins from defeated enemies\n[citation needed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIt was Saul asking David to collect Philistine foreskins.\n>Christianity canonizes a story of Jews collecting the foreskins of the descendants of European migrants to the Levant."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>that time YHWH demanded that his followers build an idol and worship it\nHe never did that.\n\n>that time he demanded that all male babies get their dicks sucked by creepy old men\nHe also never did that, you are projecting your own faggot desire onto Him.\n\n>that time he demanded a flesh sacrifice of the collected foreskins from defeated enemies\nA dead's enemy body is a spoil of war, you can do anything you want with it.\n\n>that time he demanded for someone to sacrifice their son to prove that they will do anything he tells them, then makes the whole story okay by saying it was a prank\nNothing wrong with that. It was a test of loyalty.\n\n>that time he couldnt defeat iron chariots\nThe Israelites couldn't*"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwould you be ok with it if the old man wasn't creepy?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "that time I hid another worthless fedora tipper shitpost"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Prophets and priests aren't capable of misinterpreting God's commands through sin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I cannot understand how the USSR entered the Cold War against the USA, even though both were dominated by the same owner \"J\", does anyone have any sensible explanation?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>sunni vs shia\n>catholics vs protestants\n>christians vs muslims\n>fascists vs communists\n>capitalist jews vs communist jews\nIt´s not that strange. Just because 2 people are Jewish doesn´t mean they´re friends."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I cannot understand\nOf course you dont."}, {"id": 4, "content": "/pol/ isn't a history book. You probably don't understand much about history in the first place."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd what happened? They worked together to pry European colonies away. And then America exported grain to prop up the Soviets for 20 years."}, {"id": 6, "content": "they weren't dominated by the same owner. The US was dominated by the bourgeoisie, the USSR by the proletariat."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs the saying goes \"2 Jews, 3 Opinions\"."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>Why yes, i do get all my historical knowledge from /pol/, how could you tell"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWow, it’s almost like ideology and national affiliation matter to many Jews."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCare to explain how both countries were ruled by Jews?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "R1a vs R1b.\n\nJ is subservient to R1b."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Most of the deaths before, during and after the creation of the USSR were mainly non-russian minorities, subhumans like the t*rks and Ch*chnyans."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHmmmmm, almost like your fundamental suppositions aren't actually valid. But don't let a little thing like that get in the way of not reformulating your flawed worldview."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Cold War was just an internal Jewish schism that went too far."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich Jews controlled the US at any point in US history? Which Jews controlled the USSR after 1927?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How accurate do you think the abduction of Sabine women is?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I love early roman historical oeigin legends 100% true."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's a myth reflecting their mixed origins and history of expansion through conquest (which did include taking women as war brides... but not necessarily Sabines, and not all at once)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">chud\nThe Romans were a medieval Finnish ethnic group?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstealing women is a common practice in history among men, women are assets for the most part"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis chud roman meme destroyed my respect to romans"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Chud chud chud\nFuck off back to plebbit faggot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nDon't like rape but I prefer rape in legendary myths and epics over another alphabet soup r1ae1be1bj2 haplochart rape distance chart spams"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Romans were mixed before the rape of the sabine women.\nThey were composed of 11 latin and 22 (other) sabine tribes."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomans were R1b with some J2"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>some J2\nMore likely G2a. J2 was probably a later addition."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks Germanic to me."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nMongols rape babies"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Or he's the most dangerous, most influential sociopath who ever walked the earth.\nEither way, it's interesting.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzuh5Xx5G4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOr he's a schizo. Or the off-hand remark that is construed as a claim of divinity is either misinterpreted or fabricated.\nThere's a lot of options on the table."}, {"id": 3, "content": "he didnt exist its an allegory anon"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI've known two legit schizos. One was hospitalized and rubbed shit on the walls. The other had no filter at all. He'd start talking about masturbation methods in front of people's parents and stuff. Probably rubbed shit on the walls too, but I can't say for sure."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBoth sound incredibly keyed"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSo a guy didn't exist, and his followers still walked to horrible fates just to defend a lie? One of the Apostles (Bartholomew) was skinned alive. You're going to have create dozens of people just in that generation that are all fabrications. Then dozens of more bishops who said they were ordained by said Apostles.. and then who also went to their deaths."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus didn't exist. He didn't write anything down. Nobody who met him wrote anything down. A story about a magic Jew came half a century later at a minimum but we only have a few scraps from the second century of that. No complete document until the 4th century."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe never existed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nI certainly believe Jesus was a real person but the fate of the apostles is all Church tradition. There is no real proof any of those stories happened."}, {"id": 10, "content": "There have been literally hundreds of messiahs like him.\n\nYou can compare all of this to Heaven's Gate. That could become a big religion in a century"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus wasnt a real person. The people who came up with Jesus were delusional people that had visions of Jesus in their dreams or getting high."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nPaul's writings date back to 30 years after his death, and they are authentic"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>9\n>>3\nIf you want to get people off Christianity maybe don't repeat rejected theories based only on speculation. You could just point out OP's argument is fallacious."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nAh yes the schizo kike that got mad the he was circumcised and dreamed of eating pork.\n>For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one shill or one pilpul shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOr he's the most successful revolutionist to ever exist"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen tell how it is possible that this schizo influenced world more than anybody else before"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nProve those things happened"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\never heard of bible ?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe Bible is not historical evidence for anything. The Gospels were anonymously written. By your logic, the Torah, Quran and Vedas are all true as well"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Nuh uh the Gospel of Mark was written by the guy who ran away naked when Jesus got arrested!!"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nHow do you know Alexander the Great exist in only information about him comes after his death ?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nmost scholars would agree the gospels have some reliable historical information. they are not complete fiction."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nCope harder. Maybe it will start working if keep trying."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nThe physical evidence for him far outstrips that of Jesus. There are contemporary coins with his face for example. Come up with your own arguments btw, instead of regurgitating the same stupid points you all get from that one website\n>>22\nSure, they might have elements of truth for them. Doesnt prove that Jesus physically existed though. Books alone aren't proof."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Jesus physically existed\n\n\nNot JUST the Bible \"Jesus is mentioned by more than 30 sources outside the New Testament withi 150 years of His life, including the Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius, Flavius Josephus, and the Jewish Talmud....the claim that Jesus was just made up falters on every ground"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Tacitus\n>Josephus\nsee\nhttps://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reliability-of-Josephus-and-Tacitus-in-their-description-of-the-historical-Jesus\n\nbtw, all the sources you listed were written at least 50 years after jesus died."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>btw, all the sources you listed were written at least 50 years after jesus died.\n\nJust like Alexander after 400 years of his death so ?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nShow me 1 (one) piece of literature that referenced Jesus while he was"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nAlive I meant to say. What I mean is someone that was alive while Jesus was alive, recording the fact that Jesus existed. Show it to me."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n1. absence of mass media and printing technology. In addition, the vast majority of Palestinians were illiterate at the time.\n\n2.Most importantly, Jesus didn’t rise to prominence until after his death and resurrection. It should not be surprising that few people, if any, wrote about him during his lifetime"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Jesus didn’t rise to prominence until after his death and resurrection\nisnt there whole stories in the gospel of Gentiles traveling great distances just to meet the man?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nwhere were they during his final act"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nC.S Lewis forgot the fourth possibility: that Jesus, as presented in the gospels, was just a legend."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nSo there isn´t any, got it. Not a single shred of physical proof. Just books and words and hearsay. If word of mouth is good enough for you, then what stops the Quran from being legit?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>So there isn´t any, got it. Not a single shred of physical proof. Just books and words and hearsay\n\nhmmmm just like Plato.Did Plato exist ?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nYes or No. Did Gentiles travel great distances to meet Jesus in the Bible?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nYes and they all abandon him during his last human hours"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nYes, Plato existed. I´ve noticed you consistently deflect the questions thrown at you and prefer to engage in whataboutery. We are talking about Yeshua bin Yosef though. If you want me to believe this guy existed, I will need more than hearsay."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>Did Gentiles travel great distances to meet Jesus in the Bible?\n>Yes\n\n>Jesus didn’t rise to prominence until after his death and resurrection\n\nDo you see how these conflict?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nWonder how they heard of him, if Jesus was a literal who during his life and ministry"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>Yes, Plato existed\n\nhow so ?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThe various texts that he wrote as one example. This thread isn´t about Plato though is it? If Jesus had several written texts attributed to him, which would then be referenced by other philosophers and writers in their own texts throughout the era and onwards, there would be a stronger argument."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>24\n>Books alone aren't proof.\nTell me you don't understand historical research without saying you don't understand historical research."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nSo the Quran is proof that Muhammed existed and did what he did? What does that makes Jesus then?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>If Jesus had several written texts attributed to him\n\never heard of Gospels ?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nLike I said earlier, anonymously written."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>>46\nAlso, I don´t think anyone attributes the Gospels to Jesus. They are attributed to other people, whilst not actually having been signed by anyone, but I´ve never seen anyone say that Jesus wrote the Gospels I´m not sure what point you´re making."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nIt certainly is a form of proof that Mohammad existed. Of course historians tend not to comment on the validity of supernatural events, except to say that some people believe they happened and when those beliefs first appeared."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nBible warns about false Gods"}, {"id": 50, "content": "Look, if there was stories about Plato walking on water I wouldn't think those were made up, just like with the Gospels. Why would anyone tell stories that didn't happen in reality?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nBased."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nWhy would jews hate person that didnt exist to this day ?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nGood for you"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nWhy do Sunnis and Shias hate each other? Why do Catholics and Protestants hate each other? It´s just gay Abrahamic civil war crap"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndeed, he never said he's God, only a sociopath would claim to be God, nice to know we both agree."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nBecause Christianity hijacked their Tanakh holy book and people like you are actively trying to exterminate them and call yourself \"New Jerusalem\". But they will win in the end and you will be destroyed."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\nSeems like their problem is with contemporary humans"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe is you. You're alive to learn this Truth."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>13\nNot rejected. Outside of christianity and islam, the notion of Jesus being fictional is widely accepted."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>But they\nStop pretending to not be a kike moshe. It's not a coincidence every attempt at building the 3rd temple has been unsuccesful."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>6\n>One of the Apostles (Bartholomew) was skinned alive.\nNot really."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe gave himself up to authorities so they wouldn't go after his disciples, not really sociopath behavior"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCould be both, anon.\nThe avatar of an evil demiurge."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>6\n>make up bullshit\n>100 years later make up bullshit about the people who followed him\n>200 years later burn most of the books which say this is bullshit\n>300 years later make up more bullshit about the book-burners, how they was saintz an sheeit\n>collapse the Roman economy\n>betray most of your land to Persians then Arabs\n>now everyone has to pick up the pieces\n>no-one left to turn to, but you\nPeople say bad things about us Jews. Those things might be true. But we learnt from the best."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Deuteronomy 23:1 states that \"No man who has been castrated or whose penis has been cut off may be included among the Lord's people.\" and I’m curious if there was any precedent of castrating or cutting the dick off of political enemies, criminals, etc? Seems like a pretty good way to ruin any prospects they might have politically or socially."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot that I am aware but Canaanites and Egyptians did mutilate war captives."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was the greatest King or Queen of England in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Lizzie"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe William I or Alfred the Great. Henry VIII was really important for laying the groundwork for modern England and really establishing the Royal Navy, but I don’t think he was actually that great in terms of character and activity in his reign. The Kings after the Glorious Revolution slowly became more and more useless in terms of their actual responsibilities. Like Queen Victoria, during her reign England was at its height, but most of government was handled by parliament and not her—from what I can tell. Richard I is a popular one that the English like to mention, but he didn’t really do much for England other than crusade and get a cool name, the “Lionheart.”"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEdward III, Henry II or Alfred and I guess Liz I for a queen"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOliver Cromwell"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nbased"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nobjectively speaking"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can make an argument for any of Alfred the Great, Henry II, Edward I, Edward III, Henry V, Elizabeth I, or Victoria."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone. Anglos were always evil with no exceptions."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nÆthelstan\nEdward III\nHenry V\nHenry VIII\nElizabeth I\n\nOne of those\n\n>>3\n>>8\nAlfred was never king of England."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Liz 1"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSom French guy named Guillaume."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nRichard got kidnapped and held for ransom by my ancestors, unironically."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJames the 6th & 1st.\n\nHis son was the worst."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably William the Bastard/Conqueror. Say what you want about him or his methods and intentions, but the man formally outlawed slavery in the fucking 11th century."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Henry V was the great warrior King."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEdward I"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\n>Henry II\nnot that good\n>Victoria\nheld no power\n\n>>15\n>X is good because he implemented current cultural belief\n\n>>1 (OP)\nKing Edgar"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\nRichard the Lionheart was an awful king. He was a callous narcissist who only cared about pursuing his image as a victorious warrior. He massively indebted the country with all of his wars, and then died conveniently right before any of it came to bite him in the ass, saddling his brother, John, with all the issues of his reign."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Victoria held no power\nThe amount of times I have tried to tell people this who insist that Britain orchestrated a genocide in Ireland during her reign and that she is thus responsible for it… enough to make my fucking head spin. Same with Yank ignoramuses who insist that George III was this crazed tyrannical madman, and who never want to acknowledge that Parliament was already running the show for nearly a century by that point. Seriously maddening stuff."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Edward I was probably the single most effective monarch England ever had. He didn't simply rule during a time of prosperity and competent statesmen, he himself was the linchpin of his own government, and he actually got shit done."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\nHe was taken prisoner by the Duke of Austria. You’re a Habsburg?"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Edward VIII had the good sense to abdicate before he could foul anything up."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlfred the Great"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Who was the greatest King or Queen of England in history?\nKing Arthur Uther Pendragon (John Timothy Rothwell)"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\n>>5\n>>7\n>>unknown\n>>14\n>>16\n>>20\nlol"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nCaesar the King"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Almost nobody answering Edward I\nGiven a nearly untenable situation he reaffirmed central royal authority, conquered Wales, retained English possessions on the continent, and at several points held Scotland under English dominion."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nHave you not seen Braveheart?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nWut?\n\nHenry V is objectively the best King in English history."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>20\nGeorge III supported the actions of Parliament taken against the American colonies and viewed the situation early on as the colonists needing to submit. Sure he wasn't some insane absolute monarch but most people don't say so and he deliberately decided not to redress American grievances when asked."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEdward II"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">everyone accuses Jews of being \"international cosmopolitans\" with no country of their own\n>Jews decide to fix this and create their own nation state\n>Founding that country is kinda polemic but ultimately not any different from how New Zealand or Australia or the USA were also founded by settler colonists\n>Literally encourage all Jews to go there and become national citizens of a country and not be international wanderers anymore\n>The same people who hated Jews for having no nation now also hate the Jews for having a nation and frequently advocate for its destruction\nUnironically why the fuck is this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAntisemitism is irrational"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The same people who hated Jews for having no nation now also hate the Jews for having a nation and frequently advocate for its destruction\nMost people who has a beef with Israel are Mudslimes and their diaspora, as why would a white guy care about that? Not his problem. You seem like you're mostly arguing with the strawman in your head."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsrael still requires billions of dollars of military gibs to be able to fend off mudslime forces with no apparent benefit for the American taxpayer?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>no apparent benefit for the American taxpayer\nWhat? Ridiculous! If that were the case than amerigolems wouldn't be willing to die for their greatest ally, would they!?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThis very board is filled with white guys always complaining about Israel though"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>no apparent benefit for the American taxpayer?\nDo Americans seriously think they do this out of charity?\nA) those billions of \"gibs\" are used to buy American military hardware. The money goes into the pockets of US Businessmen and stockholders\nB) Israel is the US's attack dog against Iran and, back in the day, against Soviet influence in the region. If Israel had been communist, the USA would have funded Arabs instead."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>A) those billions of \"gibs\" are used to buy American military hardware. The money goes into the pockets of US Businessmen and stockholders\nAnd where do the resources for that american military hardware come from?\nI mean you can prevaricate around that all you want. Ultimately it is taking resources from americans and handing it over to Israel."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Jews decide to fix this and create their own nation state\nIt was actually Britain and France"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>give me 100 bucks so I can buy something from you, you'll actually make a profit in the end!\nAnd I thought Jews were supposed to be good at business and making money?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Selling goods is \"taking resources\" now\nOkay you can take that up with Raytheon's CEO, he'll probably have his Butler answer your call"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIt's more like\n>I will give you money to buy a gun and in exchange you promise to help me kill this Iranian dude\nFYI the US also provides Egypt and Saudi Arabia with military aid..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nLmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n*Also you're only allowed to buy a gun from my dad's store"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>Have undue influence in the politics of other countries and weasel new gibs and reparations out of them every year\n>Wonder why people complain\nThe hair dye has seeped into your brain and done damage I see"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nAnon, America gives tons of money to all of her allies. Why is it only a problem concerning Israel and not Japan, SK or Germany?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nthe beef Arabs had with Israel was really in the end that they saw it as a European colonizer project and Ashkenazi Jews from Poland as invaders. which is funny because Stormtards be like \"oh well Jews are this and that and they're not white\" but Arabs had the complete opposite take. having said that, Arab-Israeli relations have been improving noticeably in the last decade or so as Israel is being slowly Arabized as Mizhraim come to dominate its demographics and its roots as an Ashkenazi colonizer project are fading."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThey're white rejects. Of course no one wants them."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>The hair dye has seeped into your brain and done damage I see\n>Anons think blue haired SJWs are pro Israel\nLiving under a rock are we?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI don't care enough to make a distinction between you."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nHe's right. Tons of them are ex jews to begin with."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>I don't care enough to distinguish between polar opposites\nNot everyone can be proud of being a retard"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\n>>Have undue influence in the politics of other countries and weasel new gibs and reparations out of them every year\nAs already mentioned, Israel is America's attack dog in the region, it's not charity. If Israel wasn't useful as a hammer to strike Iran and Russia with, they'd be discarded as rapidly as South Vietnam was.\nAnyhow, why is shilling for Israel bad but Irish shilling is good? Congressmen like Pete King are short of being outright Sinn Fein shills, but nobody cares about that?"}, {"id": 24, "content": "what up?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nAnon, its quite simple. I am a nationalist, which i support my nation in particular, not all the nations in general . And the effects of Israel on my nation have all been negative. In fact, American Jewry would be far less obnoxious if they didn't have a middle eastern escape pod to dash off to for when their abominable behavior finally provokes a proportionate response."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nthat doesn't matter anyway because most American Jews don't care about Israel or especially wants to live there. Israel is this very jock/meathead/warrior society and rather alien to the stereotype neurotic schleppy Woody Allen kinds of Jew."}, {"id": 27, "content": "WTF goyium!!! I thought you were nationalists? So why don't you support Mexican irredentism on your southern border? PS I have a 130 IQ."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nWe also give numerous other nations money, do you complain about Nicaraguan gibs?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>that doesn't matter anyway because most American Jews don't care about Israel\n\nIs this another case of \"Is this sheenie being delusional or is he intentionally lying? Is there even a difference for them?\" Here is the list of the largest donors for the 2020 election, more than half of them are zionist jews. Intensely zionist jews, whose support for a foreign nation overrides all other policy concerns."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\n>selling goods made with your own resources paid for by government contracts\n>\"sell\" these goods by paying for them with your own money through another nation who also receives the end goods\nIt's sending money and resources to Israel no matter how you slice it."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\n>As already mentioned, Israel is America's attack dog in the region\nNo, that's Saudi Arabia. If you read US reports on military shit in the region it's pretty much always Saudi forces who keep getting supplied to anything they want to get involved in. Probably why they give them so much leeway over their oil pricing.\nIsrael mostly just sells US tech to hostiles like China and bribes US politicians by giving preferential contracts to their companies like with Genie Energy on Golan."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>>12\n>>16\noy vey"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>16\n>Anon, America gives tons of money to all of her allies. Why is it only a problem concerning Israel and not Japan, SK or Germany?\nIsrael is not an american ally. Not a single Israeli troop or a single israeli shekel was spent on any of the wars America fought curiously in Israel's vicinity. I don't mean \"I don't like Israel, so it is not an American ally\". I mean Israel and America literally do not have an alliance agreement. Its only real in your mind, like other such things."}, {"id": 34, "content": "do not forget that Saudi Arabia pressured the US to invade Iraq. anyone in the know knows they have more influence on US policy in the Middle East than does Israel."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI advocate for its destruction because its \"dual citizens\" pretty much control my own country's government and business, drain our resources into Israel like some parasite, and in the process worsen our relations with the countries surrounding it.\nIt's a very simple reason for hating that country."}, {"id": 36, "content": "That's a lot of butthurt Mudslimes in here probably most of them living in EU countries on welfare."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nHow much of Egypt's 1.5 billion in aid was to bribe them to stop fighting Israel?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>26\nthere's more enthusiasm for Israel among white Southerners than there is actual Jews, incredibly"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nTechnically, everyone in Israel is on welfare"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>10\nare you stupid?\n>give me 100 bucks that's not yours (you stole it from the citizens) and then I'll give it to you in exchange for some missiles. you get money and I get weapons."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>doze awful goyium FORCE us to give money to Israel!\n\nplease consult\n\n>>29"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nwell really just the Haredi who don't work or serve in the IDF and have 25 inbred kids while reading old books atll day. then again nobody likes them anyway and they're considered niggers over there."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPersonally I think Jews should have just assimilated into their host nations, like immigrants usually did"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nTake it easy before you stroke out, Ahmed."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>32\n>3.1b\nWe're talking in chump change here. NFL stadiums cost more now"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\ncool, so give it to americans rather than foreigners"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>37\n100%. This number should be added to aid Israel receives."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nThis. Use it for the welfare programs and to protect trans kids"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nAn unjustified expense is an unjustified expense, no matter how large or small it is."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">oy vey, its le shoah, help us unconditionally goy!\n>what? ukrainian war? that's not our mitzvah! no profits!"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nbetter than tranny kikes. Sorry moishe, i don't agree americans exist to be tax cattle for their Chosen overlords"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>Tax cattle\nWait until you learn that Americans pay China developmental aid"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nchina and american have tons of interests in common. Not the case for the zionist entity!"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>45\nIt's not chump change and NFL stadiums cost less than that."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">it's the ol \"jews can never be responsible for their actions but white people are to blame for israel\" argument again"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI view (many, but not all) Jewish Americans the same way I view Irish Americans who have split loyalties, or how I view German Americans during the world wars who betrayed America. Either be a foreigner in a foreign land or be an American loyal to America. As for Israeli Jews? Yeah, they’re pretty much doing the same shit that was done for Australia or America or Canada, though perhaps not as extreme due to the international community not seeming such behavior acceptable anymore. Though perhaps the boers in South Africa are a better example than the settler-colonialism of America and Australia."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>25\n>American Jewry\nAmerican Jews arent even universally pro Israel. Did you ever attend University in the US?\nFucking Bernie Sanders would've been more anti Israel than your precious WASP Trump"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>27\nRetarded post. Israel existing in the fucking Levant doesn't compromise American (or any European nations for that matter) territorial integrity.\nLet's not pretend nationalists on this website care about Arabs wellbeing and whether they suffer from colonialism"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>41\nHe's not wrong though. Try saying \"Israel is evil and I won't support them\" and the first voters you'll lose are the batshit evangelicals who want to rebuild the Temple and trigger the apocalypse or some shit"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>43\nThey often did, but Race schizos still hated them nonetheless.\nClassic example: Fritz Haber\nOr Karl Marx for that matter. Note how Nazis chimp out over Marx, but pay zero attention to Engels (who is the one that actually literally wrote about destroying traditional values and family and shit).\nOr how Nazis never bitch about Sartre, Breauvoir, Russell, Habermas, etc. (I.e non-Jewish leftist intellectuals) as much as they'll bitch about Marcuse or Horkheimer"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>46\nAmericans (or more accurately, right wing ones) don't even want Universal healthcare or subsidized tuition for themselves lmao, wtf do you want that money spent on?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nI do care, and all nationalists should care, since there's an obvious correlation between their lack of wellbeing and their tendency to come to Europe."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\n>American Jews arent even universally pro Israel.\n>Significant majorities of American (72%) and Israeli (89%) Jewish millennials say it is important that the American Jewish community and Israel maintain close ties.\n>28% of American Jewish millennials say that anti-Israel climate on campuses or elsewhere has damaged their relationships with friends, while 44% say it has not.\n>26% say it is okay, and 66% say it is not okay, to distance themselves from Israel to better fit in among friends.\n>The AJC survey of 1001 Israeli Jews, ages 25-40, was conducted by Geocartograhy from February 14-22, 2022. The AJC survey of 800 American Jews, ages 25-40, was conducted by YouGov between February 9 and March 30, 2022. Additional analysis was provided to AJC by Opinion, Analytics and Communications Strategist Philippe Assouline.\nFortunately we have tons of polling that shows American Jews are overwhelming pro-Israel"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nThen next time support the \"godless Commies\" Soviet Union and help them help the Arabs destroy Israel lol"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>58\n>Retarded post. Israel existing in the fucking Levant doesn't compromise American (or any European nations for that matter) territorial integrity.\nBesides the bodies of American and European solders who died fighting on behalf of Israeli foreign policy interests, and the resulting migratory influx. It's also not in European interests to have bad relationships with Iran or Libya."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>57\nmost American Jews are left-leaning Democrats and even pro-Palestinian. there is the minority of Republican-voting Ben Shapiro Zionists but by and far that's the case."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>Besides the bodies of American and European solders who died fighting on behalf of Israeli foreign policy interests,\nCare to list them? Afghanistan is the only one where Europeans actually fought, and that was due to the Taliban hosting Al-Qaeda. Europeans didn't join Iraq 2003, that retardation is America's own."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nDoes that mean you support Russia deploying S-300 missiles in Syria or giving Iran jets to defend themselves from Israel?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown\nGrift. I looked up the cost of NFL stadiums, the average is $0.4 billion.\n\n>just build six landmark stadiums on Israel every year with taxpayer money bro\nKYS"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we dindu nuffin\nyeah, and you ask yourself why you're getting lolocausted some time in the near future\n\nalso reminder /his/ is raided by zionist jews hardcore for some reason\ntiresom, lolocaust tiers of tiresome\n\ngas yourself"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nYou're unaware British forces were deployed in Iraq?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\n>who is Michael Bloomberg, Tom Steyer, Dustin MOskovitz, etc\nMost jews are just incredibly dishonest people who support RAHOWA style racial supremacy in Israel and american displacement in america."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>68\nSure why not lol"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nOkay sucks that the British choose to be American puppets since Suez, but we were talking about real Europeans here."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\npoland deployed to iraq"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nNice, then we agree. Also those recent leaks showed Russian missiles being smuggled through Egypt to Hezbollah."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>but we were talking about real Europeans here.\nThis just shows you shouldn't fight for Israel, as this is how little they think of you."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">Founding that country is kinda polemic but ultimately not any different from how New Zealand or Australia or the USA were also founded by settler colonists\nI don't really care about Palestinians but this is retarded. Palestinians were just a bunch of peasant dirt farmers farming their dirt and paying their taxes to whoever happened to rule them at the time. Native Americans and Maoris were ultra-violent savages who constantly genocided and cannibalized each other over land they didn't even use, and experienced about the same annual war fatality rate as Germany did in WW1. The displacement of the latter is not the same as the displacement of the former."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>69\nThe stadium spike happened in 08-09, and again recently with Sofi and Allegiant"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>The same people who hated Jews for having no nation now also hate the Jews for having a nation and frequently advocate for its destruction\nThat's just Arabs/Muslims though. The western nations that were previously antisemitic are mostly fine with Israel and Zionism, but they might criticise some things like settlements."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>60\nThere was an assimilationist movement in the 19th and late 18th centuries, but it was never even close to gaining broad support among the Jews, instead being mostly limited to the elites. It didn't fail because of the schizos, it failed because most Jews, as always, refused to assimilate."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>have no nation\n>nobody has an ethnostate\n>[colonial powers] decide to give Jews a nation/quarantine zone (its already owned by other people)\n>encourage ethnic migration to new culture capital\n>continuously shit on those who have lived there for >1500 years\n>avoid retaliation by acting as a holy proxy state and relying on international big brother intercession\n\nOPs post says\n>we have no nation\n>so we stole one\n>why are people mad that Jews have a nation, but they’re also mad when we have no nation?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>7\n>here’s why arms dealing is actually a good thing (when the chosen people do it, of course)\n>A) money!!!!!!\n>B) if it wasn’t us doing all the killing, then it would be someone else\n\n>>11\nExcept when Congress approves a bill to give Israel another bajillion shekels, they don’t make Raytheon come out of pocket.\n\n>>12\n>>16\n>if other people do it, then so can I\nJust say that you’re proud to be an American sugar baby, rather than come up with all these mental gymnastics as to why being a sugar baby is somehow justifiable. Being given military aid is effectively submitting to being a geopolitical pawn, so I’m not sure how saying “bbbbbbbut other countries get aid too!!!!” makes you look any better. I’m not even sure how to describe this kind of argument, where you permit an obviously bad thing to keep happening because it benefits you.\n\n>>23\n>attack dog\nThis is such bootlicker cope. You seem to recognize how obviously dependent Israel is, but you twisted it into being something of which to be proud. You are a proxy state.\n\n>>26\nBewildering fence post shift\n\nEven more astonishing is how Jews itt are saying\n>“we don’t even care about Israel haha, it’s Christians who care more about Israel: if you have a problem with Jews, then your problem really is with evangelical Christians!”\nBut then if you mention how Israeli AIPAC money flows on both sides of the hill, Jews say “EVERYONE gets aid, what’s the problem (even if we get disproportionately more aid than anyone else)?”"}, {"id": 84, "content": "lol why do mass repliers think anyone does anything but hide and ignore their posts?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>64\nThe main reason Soviet influence was strong in MENA was because the west supported Israel"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>81\nassimilation is for all practical purposes happening anyway as most American Jews nowadays marry non-Jews and will effectively disappear as a distinct group in another few decades. there will be nothing left but Haredis and they don't amount for much."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is just like jews whining how they were \"forced\" to become loansharks lmao"}, {"id": 88, "content": "If I was kicked out of more than a hundred bars, people would blame me, not the bars."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nAmerican Jews aren't actually Jewish. 90% of them are atheist/non practicing. Ask an Israeli Jew what he thinks of Jews outside of the Orthodox nation. You'll find out real quick."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>59\n>. Try saying \"Israel is evil and I won't support them\" and the first voters you'll lose are the batshit evangelicals who want to rebuild the Temple and trigger the apocalypse or some shit\n\nYou familiar with any democratic candidates evne for some lowly shit like dogcatcher that tried criticizing Israel? I got news for you; that ends their career permanently."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nmost Israelis are atheist/secular as well it's just like he said Haredis that take religious Judaism seriously and nobody likes them anyhow"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nif that's the case, the only people who should be getting upset at all of the anti-semitism are the Haredis."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nLike every now and then some dumb 'groid thinks they can talk about Israel with even a quarter of the vitriol that they normally reserve for white america and they find out really quick who holds the whip hand in the democratic party."}, {"id": 94, "content": "Non practicing/atheist Jews around an antisemite:\n>lock him up, death to all Nazis! I know I disowned my own religion and culture, but I am still upset for some reason! Like me throwing a bagel into the trash and becoming indignant at someone eating the left overs."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>86\nDoubt it desu since in todays world being a minority is a virtue, which thereby incentivizes the parents aswell as the child to emphasize the Jewish half more than the European half.\nAnd even if they are assimilated, the damage is largely already done."}, {"id": 96, "content": "the Mudslime diaspora ITT are absolutely buttblasted"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nif you like the sirs in israel so much rapjeet, you fucking pay for them."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\nthat's because most anti-semites today are \"racial\" anti-semites. They don't care if you're religious. Hell, they'll kill you if you're a christian who had one Jewish parent. The Nuremburg laws had restrictions for people with 1 Jewish Grandparent."}, {"id": 99, "content": "Should have just given them Austria because nothing would have changed. They actually have the exact same amount of night clubs per capita that Israel does."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>most antisemites today are racial anti-semites"}, {"id": 101, "content": "Forgot pic"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's like jews are doing everything they can so they can get lolocausted a second time, kind of surreal ngl"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>unknown\nMixing isn't relevant to assimilation if the mixing is between two minorities."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>100\nExample #1 is this whole website. /pol/lacks aren't hoping to convert Jews to Christianity, they see them as a racial existential threat that wants to destroy the white race. Religious antisemitism has been out of style since the 19th century, though those talking points like \"Christ-killer\" are still popular among Catholic antisemites."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nMost people don't care enough about jews. jews are just annoying to most."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\ntrue, most sane people don't care about Jews. Don't know what that has to do with what I said though."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>104\nthey're trying to convert atheists to christianity. Given there is probably 2 religious jews on the entire website, how much polemics should be the sparing for them?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\njews aren't semitic."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>95\nanti-semites do that far more than anyone else. They still claim Lenin was a Jew because he had one jewish grandfather who converted to Christianity.\nAny /pol/ infograph that lists the Jews in X business takes a similar one drop rule philosophy, or even just \"that name sounds jewish to me\""}, {"id": 110, "content": "but yeah Zionism is pretty much a Republican thing. the Democrat Party is like...yeah. Obama was the most anti-Semitic, pro-Muslim president ever and the party is pretty much summed up by Illhan Omar calling for a new Holocaust on Twitter and not a single word of outrage being uttered about that. of course that didn't stop Obama from getting 90% of the Jewish vote anyway, but then again...meh."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nTrump got only about 22% of the Jewish vote in 2016 despite his unabashed pro-Zionist stance while Mitt Romney at least got 30%."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\nNazis (not all anti-semites) love to point out that a gentile they don't like has a bit of Jewish ancestry, yes, but in practice they don't care as much. 2nd degree Mischlings, i.e. what Lenin was, had full civil rights in Nazi Germany as long as they didn't practice Judaism or marry Jews."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>82\nI mean…you don’t get a new country without taking it in most cases."}, {"id": 114, "content": "a lot of Jews are mixed and sometimes it's pretty obvious like with Erica Jong who except for her nose just looks Polish"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nI know very little about Poland or Polish people. Is it the skin that looks polish? The hair?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Temple of Solomon has not yet been restored, therefore as a Jew I cannot support Israel as it is a farce of the true upcoming Nation of Israel."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nif you see a blonde haired Jew they're mixed pretty much 100% of the time."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nAll Ashkenazis are mixed so that doesn't say much"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\npoles have square heads\njews have more bullet shaped heads"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nBarry Goldwater was a halfu and he looked entirely Polish.\n\n>>118\nNot always. You have some like Jerry Seinfeld that don't look mixed at all."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiberals love Jews but hate Israel, conservatives love Israel but hate Jews"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\non that note, had anyone noticed that Michael Richards the only non-Jewish member of the Seinfeld cast was also the least faggoty and most B&R one?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">Israel is an american ally!\n>Its true.... in my mind!\nIs it anti-semitic to ask Jews to not lie about facts?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>119\nThere are a number of different Jewish phenotypes anyway depending on the country of origin and some of them just look Greek or Italian with the cartoony-looking le happy merchant ones mostly being from Poland or something like that."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\nIs it really enough to say nigger once for someone to be based and redpilled in your book?"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\nNecessary but not sufficient"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>122\ndid you also remember that Julia Louis-Dreyfus's father was some shady finance Jew who worshiped Baphomet?"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nI didn't,wtf"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nGerard Louis-Dreyfus? Yeah him and also he was like Thomas Pynchon in that there are like no pictures of him anywhere."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>unknown\nactually Vijay, they mostly just resettle them in Europe."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>124\n>some of them look greek or italian, they don't look like this caricature of a greek or italian person"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>118\nso are sephardi and mizrahi, there's no pure hebrew gene pool\n\n>>120\njerry seinfeild's mother is mizrahi"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">people here actually think America just gives Israel money for shits and giggles\n>they think that if America had those 4 billion every year than they would feel it in their day to day life\nohnonono holy shit. Americans truly are the dumbest people on the planet."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>no I can't explain what it's for\n>t-that money doesn't even matter!\nThen it shouldn't matter if Israel doesn't get it."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\nMultiple people already explained what its for in this thread even you Ameritard."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>93\nThe fact that more groids coitize and name the Jew more than you peckerwoods who defend and deepthroat them speaks more volumes to you than them, you're the pussy whipped bitch here, Kanye, her and that fucking zoomali name the jew and whites cuck republicans and dems silence them what does that say who the real golem here."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>135\nNTA, what it for then?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nIsrael is America's Middle Eastern testing ground for weapons and tech and since Israel is in an active conflict they can test their tech and weapons directly against their enemies. They're practically a Jewish America in the desert so US trusts them a lot so already its the only country in the middle east that US can partner with for decades without worry. Israel uses that money to buy from US defense contractors so that money circulates back to the US. Israel also heavily spies on other middle eastern countries and supplies that information to the US. All that just of the top of my head im sure many people here can give more thorough explanations but already those are good enough reasons to spend less than 1% of the US yearly military budget on Israel. If I was an American Id probably argue useless American spendings like putting soldiers in Japan for some reason which takes a lot more billions every year from America but Americans are generally too stupid to even reach that thought to begin with."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\n>jewish america\nSo when they're gonna open their borders and show Black and Jewish women on tv?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nLuckily they have more common sense than the average American so they wont do this"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>132\nYeah, but Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews mixed with fellow MENA people while Azhkenazi Jews mixed with Europeans"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\nThey the ones spreading it, that's not being lucky that's being culprits."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nfrom the jewish perspective there is no more fellowship between jews and other MENA people then there is between jews and europeans. Ashkenazim are not less jewish then mizrahim or sephardim because they have more european ancestry."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\n>from the jewish perspective there is no more fellowship between jews and other MENA people then there is between jews and europeans.\nnot in a hostile way, but there is no sense in which mizrahi or sephardi are somehow more jewish because they have ancestry from middle eastern converts as opposed to european converts"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nWe're talking about genetics here, not who they feel more \"fellowship\" with, and when it comes to genetics Ashkenazi are more mixed since they mixed with Europeans instead of their neighbours."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>138\n>Israel also heavily spies on other middle eastern countries and supplies that information to the US.\n\nThanks for reminding us whose intelligence we used to determine Iraq had weapons of mass destruction"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>138\nIsrael is in active conflict with a civilian population trapped in an open air prison. While I can understand why the Washington DC government is interested in such weapons, I don’t see how it’s in the goyim tax cattles best interest for the Washington DC government to have them."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>142\nWho's they, American Jews?\n\n>>147\n>why would we want a strong army hurr durr"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>145\n>>143\nalso Ashkenazi are responsible for a large percentage of negative Jewish stereotypes. most things generally disliked about Jews comes from them.\n\n>inbred\n>ugly\n>mentally unstable\n>neurotic\n>prone to leftist politics\n>nasally voiced\n>have a massive inferiority/persecution complex"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\n>we\nif you aren't a homosexual, you most certainly aren't part of the \"we' with the Washington DC government."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>24\ncool, a Ukrainian LARPing as a Jew"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>75\nTo appease the USA, not Israel.\nAmericans trying to blame others for their imperialism, and you fuckers have the audacity to call them \"perfidious\" kek"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>78\n>All Native Americans were identical and the same\nThis is shameful lying. You can't possibly equate the Comanche, literal horse raiders, to the civilized tribes like the Cherokee who had farms and a written alphabet. At the end of the day, the Americans simply killed and subjugated all of them regardless."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>82\n>>we have no nation\n>>so we stole one\n>>why are people mad\nHow the fuck do you think the USA came into being, the Injuns gifted it with a bowtie and everything? The USA is all \"stolen\", from New England to California, every single inch was taken by European invaders killing the redman and taking the land"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\nit was dual citizens in the US government who orchestrated the war."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>83\n>>here’s why arms dealing is actually a good thing (when the chosen people do it, of course)\nNever said it's a \"good\" thing, I'm pointing out that it's pure realist politics which the USA uses to further its own interests. There's a reason why every Middle Eastern country who hates Israel also hates the USA, you are their enablers and their handlers.\n>>attack dog\n>This is such bootlicker cope. You seem to recognize how obviously dependent Israel is, but you twisted it into being something of which to be proud. You are a proxy state.\nYou are legitimately autistic if you think being called a literal DOG was meant to be a compliment. In what world did I twist this as something to boast about? I am literally saying that Israel is a tool of American imperialism, we agree with each other you fucking dumbass."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>85\n>the west supported Israel\nIsrael was equipped with Czechoslovak weapons in 1948..."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>94\n>Willfully pretends that anti-Semitism is purely about Religion and that it hasn't been racial since the 1800s\nYou can just read the Nuremberg Laws yourself lol, converts after 1871 were still labelled Jewish. Having a Jewish grandparent, regardless of the religious upbringing of your 3 other grandparent, still made you ineligible to join the SS.\nEven fucking Shelby Foote, the civil war southerner guy, got shit at school for having a Jewish relative."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>100\nDo you even browse this website? Ask /pol/ if Karl Marx was Jewish or not."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>120\n>You have some like Jerry Seinfeld that don't look mixed at all.\nHe looks nothing like a Mizrahim (i.e original Jew). All Ashkenazis are mixed, there's no \"pure\" Levantine ones left for centuries at this point. Mizrahim look like Palestinians (duh), you can tell them apart from Ashkenazim a kilometer away"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>137\nIsraelis murder Iranian nuclear physicists and engineers so that the USA doesn't have to do it themselves. Also actively Sabotage Ba'athists like Al-Assad in Syria, because Syria is aligned with Russia (and the Soviet Union before that)."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>139\n>So when they're gonna open their borders and show Black and Jewish women on tv?\nOh man, just wait until you find out about the Ethiopians there and how Tel Aviv is as gay as San Francisco"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>161\nif it wasn't for jewish supremecists bankrolling american politicians, why would america have any problem with Iran?"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>142\nIsrael already is multicultural, you retard. Did you really think they were 99% Yiddish speaking Europeans? They have their own assorted dramas and shitshows about \"racist Ashkenazi discriminating against brown Mizrahim\" or how \"Mizrahim are a bunch of dumbass religious conservatives\" and so forth."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>155\nHe's not a dual citizen.\nBesides, the Rumsfeld is a WASP, Cheney is a WASP, Bush II is a WASP, and Powell is basically a spiritual WASP lol.\nThis just reinforces the point: Americans here shamelessly blame others for their actions. It was the USA who invaded Iraq, there's no beating around the bush here, it was your country that did it and the world recognizes as such."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>163\n...do you know anything about the Iranian revolution?\nThe US supported the Shah for decades, guess who happens to hate the Shah? That's right, the Islamic revolutionary government.\nDo you also remember Mossadegh, the guy the CIA overthrew because the British asked for it?"}, {"id": 167, "content": "US,New Zealand, Australia and More are Far More Different than Pissrael.\nPissrael Was Build Based on religious Lie and Slaughter An Entire State ( They Learned this from Germans lol ) for stupid reason which is \" God Choose us To Live in That Land and Not You \". so Either OP is a lunatic or An Hypocrite and Both Of Them Are Shitty. Death To All Zionists and Long Life Palestine"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>164\nAnyway, as I believe was already mentioned brown Arab Jews are rapidly winning the demographic war and Ashkenazis may actually not exist anymore in a few more decades."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>163\n>\nThe absolute state of /his/"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>167\n>God Choose us To Live in That Land and Not You \"\n>Different from USA\nYou're in a shocker when you hear about these Puritan guys"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>25\n>i support my nation in particular\nYou'd think living in a country as culturally and ethnically heterogenous as the US would be enough to teach you that nationalism is pseudointellectual retard cope. But no."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>163\nIsrael is a minor component of it compared with the Arab states who absolutely detest Iran and consider it a would-be imperialist power that seeks regional dominance. After all, they have 3,000 years of experience with Iran."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhy haven't all the Jews fucked off and moved there yet?"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>57\n>your precious WASP Trump\nHe's a Ellis Island babby THOUGH"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>165\n>yids now bragging they provided zero assistance for the war fought for their behalf based on their bullshit intelligence\nbreathtaking really"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>57\n>Fucking Bernie Sanders would've been more anti Israel than your precious WASP Trump\n\nah yes, the guy who volunteered to work on a kibbutz for years HATES israel because he isn't a slobbering racial supremecist."}, {"id": 177, "content": "Is it possible to be pro Zionist but anti Judaism/antisemitic?"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>176\nin the old days Israel was a lot more socialistic than how it later evolved. they moved to the same neoliberal model as most of the world from the 80s onward."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>7\nThanks to Israel the US is getting pushed out and China now runs the middle East. I can not wait until the US decides Israel isn't worth it and lets it fend for itself."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>179\nI would more say that's thanks to Joe Biden, but..."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>179\n>I can not wait until the US decides Israel isn't worth it and lets it fend for itself.\nThe US will never, ever, under any circumstances give up on israel."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>34\n>anyone in the know knows they have more influence on US policy in the Middle East than does Israel.\n\nThis.\nThe wahabist fuckers that are killing us with both oil, and salafist propaganda radicalizing retards across the globe, but let's hate on the jews."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>138\n>weapons and tech and since Israel is in an active conflict they can test their tech and weapons directly against their enemies\nthis made me laugh, thanks for the laugh anon"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost Israelis are not Western Jews, they are Yemenite Jews and Sephardics. Only the leadership is Ashkenazi.\n\nSo it doesnt make sense to say all the Jews left"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>184\n>Only the leadership is Ashkenazi\nNetanyahu is Sephardic actually."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\nah ok i forgot"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>185\n>>185\nnope. He is ashkenazi"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>26\n>>26\n>Israel is this very jock/meathead/warrior society\ncringe. no it isn't you retard"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>145\njewishness is not about genetics"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>145\n>when it comes to genetics Ashkenazi are more mixed since they mixed with Europeans instead of their neighbours.\nactually ashkenazi are mostly mixed with italians. Mizrahi are mostly mixed with for example iraqis, who are about equidistant from jerusalem as italy is. Or persians or yemenis, which is even further from jerusalem then italy is...so I think you mean more like cousins then neighbors"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>163\nDurimg the Obama administration, America expressed interest in normalizing relations with Iran without preconditions. Iran refused without explanation of what preconditions they felt were necessary.\n\nThat shows that being America's enemy is just part of the Iranian government's identity. It's not rational."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>>/mu/115997067\ncf. Paula Abdul is Mizhraim and that phenotype, very common in Israel, is quite rare in the US"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\nits not a common phenotype in israel, she looks mulatto. Most mizrahi don't look like that , they look either standard arab or southern euro"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>191\nit's like Cuba. trust me, they've always loved the US embargo for its propaganda value and do not want it to end."}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>192\n>>193\ni swear I thought she was part Ashkenazi or something else but it's 12:30 AM and I'm way too sleepy to bother with Wikipedia"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>45\nThat's a yearly figure, 60 billion over 20 years. Be an occupier and secret nuclear state off your own taxpayers, perhaps we might start to see demands for more of a sensible military and foreign policy"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>195\nyes she is, half ashkenazi and half syrian mizrahi. I always thought she was part arab part black. never knew she was jewish"}, {"id": 198, "content": "gas the kikes, race war now"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>23\nIsrael is loaded with Russians.\nThey were never useful against Russia."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>198\ngas the bikes, race car now"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>European and American Jews use their unparalleled international soft power to get given territory they claim belongs to them because of literal mythology and then do settler colonialism in the mid 20th century up to today against settled, civilised people when previously it had mostly been only done to actual stone age tribes"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>19\nThere are a lot of bluehairs who think boycotting Israel is anti Semitic"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>26\nIsrael jews = based and trad\nAmerican jews = cringe and liberal"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFar-right European parties advocate antisemitism in Europe but fully support Israel (and Jews moving out of Europe for Israel)."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>201\n>Mudslimes\n>civilized"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews are reptilians."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>202\nwhat do little old ladies have to do with Israel?"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>206\nThe trick is they play with the gorgon sisters, have the big bad wolf/ass, try to test the toothfairy, because they like little girls.\nThen there's the whole oepiedial complex with \"jack\" and his mom.\nThen there's the onions boys with their sadomasochistic bullshit."}, {"id": 209, "content": "Question to all you fags here from a (Christian) Palestinian.\nLet's say we do get rid of Israel. You still have a hate-boner for us Arabs don't you? And the majority of Arabs are Muslims. What do you plan to do with the land if you hate Muslims so much?"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>209\nI've been executed by sand jockies in a basement in my moon dress.\nArabs are nothing but sodomites."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>204\nit was better that way. there was centuries of bloodshed and pogroms to prove that they could never get along with Europeans and the Holocaust was inevitable once the technology to make that happen existed. sad but you can't expect two groups of people with mutually incompatible mentalities to coexist."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>205\nHow are they not?"}, {"id": 213, "content": "Behold the glory of Pisslam."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>212\nThey camp a nursery with a jackal and hyde mask own with a serpent woman."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>214\nMeds please"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>213\nIslam didn't do shit."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>214\nThe pornographers do it on all fours, and use the cocyx to make a remote while they dig fingers into some woman's eyes, they also use \"hosts\", and have the coomers jerk off to violent pornography.\nJacks dental records are stolen through a lateralization of the brain."}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>216\n>arabs do arab things in arab places\n>jews get butthurt\n>jews come into your nation and subvert the power structure to let arabs in (so you hate arabs too)\nmain tactic of the jew is to make their problems everyone else's problem"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>unknown\nImagine getting lost in the Sinai peninsula (lmao) for 40 years and living in tents while prioritizing how many goats you can sacrifice (your God lives in a box in the middle of your tent temple)"}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>219\nI'm not a Jew, nigga, and implying that gets you a one-on-one meeting with the 5 Sudanis I have locked in my basement. I hope you like BBC faggot"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>220\n>I'm not a Jew\nYes, you're just a seething zionist"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>221\nbait me once, shame on you"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>222\nAre you one of these hawkish neolibs that retroactively loves George W. Bush?"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>223\nI'm not western enough to have any sort of idea what neolib and neocon mean, and don't bother explaining them to me because I'll just unleash the 5 Sudanis from my basement again"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>224\nWe already know your demographic from your use of Bush neologisms and your view of race"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>188\nreally though it's a society based around war and has not a lot to do with the European petite bourgeois Jewish culture of old"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>17\nBut that's the point. Ashkenazis are mixed europeans and middle easterners, so both sides find something to hate in them. This is actually quite tragic lol"}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>188\nThey 100% see more of military life than any European (aside from Ukrainians) do today."}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou forgot the part where all the jewish people in the US gov make sure that they get a bazzilion dollars from the US plus tip."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>227\nI think if they stopped lying constantly, people would hate them less. But I suspect their mendacity is genetically based (like their schizophrenia)."}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>199\n>Israel is loaded with Russians *after* the Soviet Union collapsed\n>ergo Israel didn't fuck up Soviet aligned Arabs in 1967 and 1973\nYou retards are on a history board, learn how to read a timeline"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>220\n>>222\n>>224\nholy shit dude i hate Indians, how can an entire race be so retarded"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP you seem to confuse people hating on jews the people group for historical and modern reasons with hating Israel for ethnic cleansing reasons. It was quite literally the holocaust wich determined unless someone is Nazi Germany then ethnic cleansing against them is not ok post war and not applying these same standards to Israel would make even the most misinformed apolitical shitbag watching footie wonder why that is."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>177\nI think if someone wants to deport all Jews to Israel, then that makes them pro-Zionist and anti-semitic."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>2\n109 countries"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf every Jew who's pro-Israel would actually move there, nobody in the West would have a problem with it.\n\nBut instead the majority of Jews prefer to stay in the West while simultaneously doing their best to drag us into shitty wars against Israel's political enemies, AND complain about being supposedly oppressed, AND shill for immigration to the US while supporting supporting Israel's border wall and all the rest of it."}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>236\nright on, you know what you should do ? you should find another way to communicate apart from using a phonecian alphabet on intel chips. It shouldn't be too hard to find another company for your processor, but learning and using another alphabet is going to be tricky. Your only alternative is chinese alphabet and that's probably too difficult for you as, lets be blunt but honest, white trash . Maybe just disconnect your internet and return to your aryan roots, go live in the woods in a mud hut?"}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>237\nSince you hate the Germans for the Holocaust so much, how about you stop driving cars, since cars were invented by Germans? Or even better, jump in front of one, that'll show those goyim.\n>phonecian alphabet on intel chips\nI'm using an ARM processor, I know about 3,000 Sino-Japanese characters and can read Japanese fluently because I am just that intellectually superior to you.\nThe provenance of the Latin alphabet is actually not fully understood, but you're obviously not here to actually discuss interesting historical questions, you just want to shill for Israel.\n>b- but what would you be without circumcision, religious zealotry and shitty Hollywood movies?!? You need us, Goyim!\nNo we don't, FUCK OFF."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>everyone accuses Jews of being \"international cosmopolitans\" with no country of their own\nOnly antisemites do that."}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>239\nnow they have two countries to call home. Israel and USA so meh."}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMudslimes really hate Isreal, Mossad is influencing the west, many westerners really hate jews and for good reasons, commies hate them because anti-imperialism, also socialists dislike Isreal colonisation over palestine.\nPersonally if all jews can fuck off to Isreal, I take it."}, {"id": 242, "content": "jews are silly and autistic but ultimately harmless outside JPG-filled /pol/ MS Paint infographs"}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>177\nI'm anti-Israel but pro-zionist and israeli culture. I'm learning hebrew right now. I'm also sympathetic to the religion although I don't have the commitment for it. I'm just focusing on the language (which is hard)."}, {"id": 244, "content": "I never figured out how /pol/ reconciles the idea that Jews are all powerful and control everything while also being subhuman untermenschen at the same time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "According to the Arians: the Logos existed in God as an eternal attribute of his speech; the Son was a superangelic being created in the beginning after the image of the Logos; the Logos in God is Logos endiathetos, the Logos created was the manifest wisdom of God as Logos prophorikos which is the same as the Son and as Christ.\n\nAccording to the Arians, the Son was a demiurge who created this material realm by the authority entrusted to him by his Father, God. Christ, then, came as a man; not as sharing a dual nature, but replacing what would be the human soul of Jesus so that he was human in body but divine in his spirit or soul. The Arians did worship Jesus as Second God, for they believed he was given this authority by the Father.\n\nIs this correct?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnon, you posted metaphisical ramblings about something unknowable; there's nothing to call correct"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, it's heresy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhat would JW anon say about it though?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI believe that before the creation of the world God was alone and that there was no Son. When God desired to create the world, he begot another divine being to create the world through him. This divine being was called Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God.\n\nThe Son is a creature. He is a high creature, a creature powerful enough to create the world but, nevertheless, a creature. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent upon, and caused by the Father.\n\nIf the Father begat the Son, he that was begotten had a beginning of existence: and from this it is evident, that there was a time when the Son was not. It therefore necessarily follows, that he [the Son] had his substance from nothing.\n\nProverbs 8:22-30 says of the prehuman Jesus: “Jehovah created me when his purpose first unfolded, before the oldest of his works. The deep was not, when I was born. Before the hills, I came to birth. I was by his [God’s] side, a master craftsman.”"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHello Lara. I'm horny. Wana Whatsapp?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nAll heresy. :) You're not a Christian, Lara."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt's heresy according to the council of Nicea, but not according to the bible"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Bosnians convert to Islam but Serbians and Croatians did not?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBosnia was mostly conquered by the Islamic Ottomans who imposed their religious values on the local people. Serbian and Croatian people managed to repel Islamic invasions."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>This is what s*rbian nationalists actually believe\n\nIt's well established that Bosnians and Albanians converted as a form of tax rebellion as muslims were exempt from paying poll tax."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Because the bosniak regions were gnostics before they conveted and gnosticism is closer to Islam than Christianity is."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Janissaries. Lots of them."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOttomans only exercised partial control over territories of modern day Croatia; Habsburgs always held on at least a part of it. In the parts they governed their hold was far too short and too weak to upend religious demographics. Bosnians meanwhile had mini-crusades and inquisitions launched against them in the three centuries preceding Ottoman conquest, which put many of them at odds with the dominant Christian institution of the era:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Church\n\nBalkan countries that spent a significant enough of time under Ottoman rule were left with a significant amount of converts, Serbia included, but they were mostly cleansed by the time the Balkan wars ended (although IIRC the Greeks deported theirs in the aftermath of WWI)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nthey chimped out against ottomans nonetheless\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_uprising_(1831%E2%80%931832)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause as aryans it only made sense they should follow the same faith as their turkic hyperborean brothers"}, {"id": 9, "content": "A big shame Serbs couldn't exterminate all the musilms within the Balkans, especially within Albania and bosia. But what do you expect from some incompetent slavs who manage to lose over 40% of its territory"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause territorially the Ottomans had a more significant holding in the territory that is Bosnia today. Over time after centuries of living under Ottoman rule, lots of Bosnians converted to Islam in order to get out of paying the higher tax that Ottoman authorities imposed on non-Islamic subjects living in their territory.\n\nAfter hundreds of years of practicing Islam and with the religion well-cemented, many people kept practicing even after the Ottomans were gradually pushed out of the Balkans."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n\nThis. Serbs and Croats used bully them for \"not being real christians\", so Bosnians converted to Islam to feel more powerful"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What drove veterans to suicide? Is military service a mental illness?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>percent of military deaths by suicide\nIs this a fucking joke? Of course peacetime veterans will die of suicide more than veterans who had the chance to die in actual battle, what the fuck.\nHow do people even have the balls of presenting statistics like this to the public like they're meaningful?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe fact Vietnam vets have a suicide fatality portion almost as large as peacetime vets actually is interesting information. But I agree that there's gotta be better stats to pull from, simply on the principle that this y-axis is too complicated for normals to understand at a glance without likely misinterpreting."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt correlates with mental illnesses."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho won the unknown war?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh rates of gun ownership, poor financial and QoL prospects, disproportionately male (and men have a suicide rate that is 3x higher than women)."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI always wondered why WW2 veterans were so relatively chill and well-balanced compared to veterans of the wars that happened a few generations before and after them. Even stuff like murder and domestic violence were lower in their era."}, {"id": 8, "content": "are Vietnamese veterans included in that or is it just US? Would be interesting to compare"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne doesn't join the military because they have a lot of options. You won't be rich, or smart, or come from a place with many economic opportunities. The military is a way out of ugly places. Then you get out only to find you can't get meaningful work because most employers don't want to hire vets. So, unless you want to be a cop, fireman, or sell insurance peacetime vets run out of options."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n\nthis was before boomers, so people manned up when times were hard. by 1960s, you already had a generation of snowflakes thanks to rapid rise in living standards after ww2."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n30s-60s is proof that socialism works"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nIt’s unknown."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nThis graph also only charts suicides from 2005-2015, I'm sure the big WWII veteran suicide wave would've been in the 1940s, 50s and 60s. Why would a ww2 vet live 60 years and then kill themselves"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a few books out there by US military psychologists about PTSD and veteran suicide rates extrapolating out from the historic and modern data sets the military themselves have, if I remember there's a lot of contributing factors like how justified the public you are coming home feels the war was and general job/post service life prospects in the time period after you served. If I remember right the biggest factor was average time spent active in stressful conditions vs time spent at rest, modern infantry actually spend more time in active duty before being cycled off than was historically common. The time spent in psychologically stressful conditions doesn't have a linear impact on the person's mental health, it gets dramatically worse as time goes on.\n\nThe book I read was like fifteen years old for what it's worth. No idea if the military has restructured infantry time on/off ratios since then."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nWhy would they kill themselves? War veterans are far more likely to kill themselves due to PTSD or depression, where the peacetime veterans would be happy to stay in the barracks. Contrary to what Hollywood says, nobody wants to go to war or kill other people. The peacetime veterans had it good."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nMore American veterans died due to suicide than killed in battle kek\n\n10 years later and they still can’t get Muslims out of their heads, so they kill themselves"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are Gulf War vets so fucking suicida when they fought the most babyshit easy war in American history?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be god\n>put that little parasite inside your genes to make sure you wont enjoy life\n>forbids suicide to force you to be on the crappy world\nWhat was he thinking about it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Down syndrome anon?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nY choromosome total SRY deformation"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenes are a product of the environment (product of a product of a product… of god), intellect and reason are direct products of god\nThe world isn’t crappy, just your perspective (including your current situation)."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChrist redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us-- for it is written, \"Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a log\"--"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually this is how my own Y-chromosome looks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nimagine this anon's schlong"}, {"id": 8, "content": "OP wanting to be a woman is a sin. It's good to be a man"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOn what part of the bible it says that"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow does it follow that the y chromosome makes sure you won't enjoy life?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nDeut. 22:5"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nWhat if a woman wants to be a man?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Trannies will always disgust me on a fundamental level. Nobody ever told me trannies are sick people; i just knew. as a kid it was a total sideshow to me whenever I'd see the rare troon in public, because it just naturally came off as repulsive and absurd."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYWNBAW"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nThis speaks about crossdressing not wishing to be the opposite sex"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would you want to be a women?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Women are allowed to be soft and engage on become prettier\n>They recive positive men attencion and good chances of get good relationships with them\n>women are not looked upon if they want to be with men and not with women\n\nLiterally not a single reason to not want to be one too sad i had to be born with as a male :/"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Why is this posted on the history board ?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou literaly have a unique DNA data as the Y chromosome, meanwhile femoids have double copy of the X chrommie having no extra use"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntranny"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\ngo 41 percent tranny"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nThe only thing unique about its the capacity to make me feel like shit :/"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like a you problem. Stop blaming God, dumb tranny."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeethe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Self-improvement is dysgenic. It disguises your true self. You misrepresent and delude yourself and others. Makeup, facial hair, exercise and the like are all elaborate lies."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncorrect\nit is morally reprehensible for male chinlets and female facelets to falsely advertise their features"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nYeah and it's also morally reprehensible for chudcels to try pretending that they're neurotypical."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe \"self\" is determined by what exactly? Changing something in your life to 'self improov' for example lifting after you had a bad diet, is just repairing the past. If we weren't in modern times, said person could look like that naturally since lifestyles wouldn't be sedendary so they wouldn't be, and they would also be taught to lift since the culture would have a more strength-determined importance. \"How I am is how I am\" is just cope, the outcome of your life could've been any way and you now have the chance to change it the way you want to, though to a certain extent self-improvement is cope too"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Wrong, discipline and perseverance are partially genetic characteristics, so if you are even able to suddenly knuckle down and study for hours and hours every day, or overnight switch to a low-calorie diet and shift the pounds then congratulations: you're expressing the real you that was there all along."}, {"id": 6, "content": "You make this thread every other day, nigger. Stop seething over looksmaxxers, and get a life."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI want ganondorf to cum in me if you know what I mean"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Everyone lies constantly, all of nature is one big facade. Grow up\n\nCaptcha:TW0 DW."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect. It's a trick to fuck up your gene pool cuntbags, because you deserve nothing less."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Getting stronger, smarter and better is dysgenic\nGet aload of this faggot"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. fatso"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> The self is the body\n\nFuck off you materialist wanker. the MIND rules the body and will be cultivated by the mind or wither away."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>cultivate the mind\nfancy way of saying you want to self-gaslight"}, {"id": 14, "content": "So what? Life, the world, and existence itself are all disingenuous to oneself as well."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nI am proudly anti-normie."}, {"id": 16, "content": "The fact you are self-improoving proves you have the will and means to do so. It is a product of genetics."}, {"id": 17, "content": "And what is PROgenic exactly :D? You are worshipping an indiscriminatory law, a post-hoc assertion of what has happened. \"Survival of the fittest.\" Wow, great phrase for when you can define \"fittest\" to be whatever you want it to be, ultimately making its definition \"that which has not died and has reproduced\". It's like saying the winner always wins, it has no bearing on what YOU should do. The only situation in which I could see \"le dysgenicists\" having an argument is a completely monolithic enviorment that never changes, like using trickery to reproduce in a society which is 100% of time at war, and not just any war but at best a bronze age tier war where everything is a question of how strong you are, and not just that but this war has nothing to do with strategy (for which that trickery we talked about would be useful), but it's just 10 guys beating each other to death for resources. In any other enviorment your argument shatters. Arnold Schwarzeneger doesn't run the world, Klaus Schwab does, or someone more cunning than him who knows not to be exposed. The human race has favored intellect over strength for millenia but when you use that intellect to bypass archaic mating signals and reproduce that's somehow dysgenic? Give me a break. You live in a world where you have to figure out a task intellectually demanding enough for a machine not to take it over in the next 50 years, not the neolithic. Having a brow ridge 4mm wider does nothing outside of managing to appeal to some whore which seems to be a crutch most of you can't get over.\n>>13\n>self-gaslight\nFancy way of outing yourself as a faggot not to be taken seriously"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuckin Oath"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMakeup is the only thing you listed thats a lie."}, {"id": 20, "content": "You don't need to apologize for your laziness to us\nEven if you buy in to radical biological determinism, the kind of people who are likely to engage in healthy self-improving behaviors are already predisposed to it"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCool, but this isn't /adv/."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat makes you think that the proclivity to improve isn't inheritable?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIntellegence and the ability to be able to improve yourself are signs of eugenic mental traits. Someone who is naturally more lazy is less likely to improove"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\n>when you use that intellect to bypass archaic mating signals and reproduce that's somehow dysgenic?\nyes\nI’m glad you agree"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me everything about it.\nPlease do not derail it with Reconquista talk."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally impossible to talk about Al-Andalus without talking about the Reconquista, it would be like talking about Nazi Germany without talking about WW2."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Al-Andalus is just a geographic region, it wasn't a state but several over hundreds of years"}, {"id": 4, "content": "They built a lot of cool mosques and popularized the use of bicolor brick patterns across the islamic world. Their class structure eerily reminds me of the colonial caste system, with the same struggle of a lower class kept beneath the ruling class due at first to religion the later to race. The struggles between arabs and berbers, combined with a culture of court intrigue made them collapse semi-regularly. A lot of surviving roman provincial families also ended up rising to prominence after conversion to islam. And it is strange how they never invaded north africa but were instead invaded by north africans repeatedly"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZahiri kino"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\n>how dare they, how dare they!\n>reeeee\nhahaha maximum overcucked momment"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nkek"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nThe most funny part is that the horseshoe archs were from Spanish origins and taken by Muslims, tbe materials used to built that Mosque were also from local Roman/Gothic buildings, the mosque itself was built over a basilica."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt had pretty much the same borders as Visigothic Spain, so you could argue it was a \"Coup d'Etat\" which failed in the northernmost regions."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>And it is strange how they never invaded north africa but were instead invaded by north africans repeatedly\nle good times soft men meme"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nEverything about ''islamic architecture'' is just a shittier copy of roman and persian architecture"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Please do not derail it with Reconquista talk\n\nSo, Preconquista then:\n\nYear 675, the King wamba destroys the moors invaders.\n\nAfter the rebellion, the kingdom faced a new threat in the form of Saracen raiders. In the Chronicle of Alfonso III (written 200 years later) it stated, \"In Wamba's time, 270 Saracen ships attacked the coast of Hispania and there all of them were burned.\" A single attack of this size is doubtful, however, because no other source mentions it. The Chronicle of 754 declared Moors \"had long been raiding\" Andalusia, \"and simultaneously devastating many cities\"; however, the Chronicle of 754's most recent English translator, Kenneth Baxter Wolf, holds that this refers to the year before the defeat of King Roderic by the Moors, over three decades after the removal of Wamba."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>Nasrid kingdom\nMore like the one place that survived being gobbled up after Las Navas de Tolosa because they were a handy source of African gold"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI prefer the Emirate of Sicily."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe other Muslim emirates in south western Europe are always ignored for some reason. I don't get why because you can argue the one that lasted for more than 2 fucking seconds was better than al andalus (and you can gush about the kingdom of sicily too)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirst of all that's a wrong map, and moors got btfo by celts and basques. Basically they stole a lot of the cities and Christian towns that already existed there. There was no such thing as innovation despite what some Islamic scholars might argue."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Gallicia and asturias in 700 AD\n>Celtic\nThe populace was romanized and the elite was gothic."}, {"id": 18, "content": "There is a recent spanish documentray about the Nasrid kingdom called los constructores de la alhambra. Don't know where you can watch it though."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if I told you that guns and grenades existed before gunpowder. How would you react?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAAAAAAHHHHHH HELL NAAWWW YOU B SAYING FIRE SIPHON AND NAPTHTHA WUZ GUNS N BOMBS N SHIETTT?!??!!?!?!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBefore guns and bombs, people used fire. You can do the same with pretty much anything. Before gunpowder you had incendiary weapons. Before that you had bows. Every year it changes to something else that basically does the same thing as the last one, it's just that the only difference being a new method."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How would you react?\nCopy claim + Click Favorites Bar + enter Snopes website + Paste claim + feel tired + crack fingers + open new Onions jar + chug down energy refill + adjust fedora + basedface + Fact check claim + thank Science for guiding me where I am now + feel proud of myself for cultivating my own intellect"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI BE HAVING MORE ANCIENT GUN THEN, LOOK!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe Chinese used gunpowder for rockets, fireworks, flamethrowers and guns (matchlock). Basically the same thing here. Before gunpowder, the Chinese used bamboo for making fireworks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nanon fireworks use gunpowder"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Gun"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>guns (matchlock)\nEuropeans actually invented guns and cannons before the Chinese. They used eruptors only."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose are not grenades, they are more akin to Molotov Cocktails, thrown at the decks of enemy ships. And Greek Fire wasn't a gun, it was more akin to a primitive flamethrower."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nCope"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlready known. And a greek fire thrower is hardly comparable to a gun."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>Those are not grenades, they are more akin to Molotov Cocktails, thrown at the decks of enemy ships.\nI remember there being an anecdote: someone riding on a horse and doing a drive-by with those pots to burn up siege weaponry."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>driveby on horses\nWhat if I told you before cars there were cars? How would you react?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nOh fug"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>Before gunpowder, the Chinese used bamboo for making fireworks."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\n>Europeans actually invented guns and cannons before the Chinese\nnah"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If I constantly have to be doing good works in order for my faith to be considered alive, how is that freedom?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Works make you grow. Work out your salvation. That is what saint Paul said."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will have freedumb in afterlife silly."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you have faith then it won’t be a chore to you"}, {"id": 5, "content": "you don't do anything. once you have saving faith, the Holy Spirit will work through you to demonstrate His presence. any works performed by a believer are not their own, they are God's."}, {"id": 6, "content": "It's not."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou serve god, you are not free. Do more mitzvot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Reconquista justified?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think it's a myth, like the narrative that jews stabbed germany in the back during WW1"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Yes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>see a foreign kingdom\n>invade it\n>force natives to convert, be pariah or die\n>natives despise you and start to fight you until they kick you out centuries later (not even long occupation fix relations)\n>to this day they tell you that they don't want you in their lands because they feel disgust for you\nAsk the average portuguese or spanish what they think about islamic invasion"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>asturian visigoths\n>\"native\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAm I to believe that most Asutrians were mostly of gothic/other germanic blood? Most of them were likely mixed with natives at that point."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nPunic-Roman communities from Baetica also despised Muslims, why do you think Muslims leaded ethnic cleansing campaigns and brought replacement migrants from Middle-East and North Africa? By 1000 AD most of the population still was Christians, many of them moving North due repression of authorities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Punic-Roman\n>Different to Nafris\nIs this a bad joke?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI see it as a decolonization effort. The natives were right in reclaiming their land."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>Am I to believe that most Asutrians were mostly of gothic/other germanic blood?\nNo, but neither were most of the people living in the Moorish kingdoms by the time of the Reconquista, not even the Muslims, who btw, were not forcefully converted. There were restrictions on Christian religion, such as building new churches and proselytizing, but this lead to a slow but stead conversion of locals leading up to the Reconquista.\n\nI won't defend that, but it was far less severe than what the Frankish kingdom did to paganism in Gaul, let alone what they did in Saxony."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Roman Law is way better than Sharia and christian kings had popular support."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n\nIbn Hawqal:\n>\"There is in al-Andalus more than one agricultural exploitation that brings together thousands of peasants who are ignorant of everything about urban life and are Europeans of Christian confession. It happens that sometimes they rebel and fortify themselves in the heights; the repression is long, because they are proud and obstinate. And when they have thrown off the yoke of obedience, it is extremely difficult to reduce them, unless they are exterminated to the last one, a long and unfortunate undertaking.\"\n\nFrom the bishop of Toledo that during Almohad invasion about ethnic cleansing of Mozarabs by Muslim invaders:\n>\"The Mozarabs were subjected to great trials and suffering in the time of the Almohads, since they did not allow them to practice their religion and forced them to convert to Islam. Many preferred death rather than renounce their faith, and others abandoned their lands and fled to the Christian kingdoms of the north\" (Rodrigo Jiménez de Rada, \"History of the deeds of Spain\", book VIII, chapter 9)\n\n\n>\"And at the time of the victory of Islam and the power of the Almohad Caliphate, the people of the Christians who had occupied Granada and its fortress were deported from their homes and moved to their countries in Europe, and the city was cleansed of their presence\" (Ibn al-Khatib, \"Al-Ihata fi akhbar Gharnata\", chapter 20).\n\n>Abu Yusuf Yaqub al-Mansur deported the Christians of Granada to the Maghreb, in the year 615 [1218-1219], and handed over their territory to the Muslims. Not a single Christian was allowed to remain there. Granada was cleansed from his presence after having been in his possession for three hundred and eighty-four years\" (Ibn Idari al-Marrakushi, \"Al-Bayan al-Mughrib\", vol. 1, p. 478)"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Ja"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nAsturians are literally celts from before of Romans"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nWell, it's tards fighting over their own brands of abrahomo, which likely was not always even the main factor, just them fighting over the land."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nKrinrig more like."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf anything the Reconquista didn't go far enough."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nbased"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Yes, but kicking out the Moors and Jews wasn't."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nIt's.... So beautiful..."}, {"id": 21, "content": "One thing they never tell you is when Almoravides commited a genocide against Mozarabs, they have deported them to north africa. What happened to them is a mystery."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nSÍ."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasnt enough"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuslims love to preach might makes right. In that case, to the victor go the spoils, i.e the Spaniards and Portuguese.\n>But muh Muslim golden age\nYeah, nah. What of Greco-Roman culture of the Middle East that got bulldozed during Arab conquest? Or Christians that lived there?\nIn my opinion they should have carried on into north Africa, and crusaders should have been supported more in the Holy Land too."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is that even a question? Killing invaders, occupiers, and Turks is always justified - if not mandated"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nthis, fuck them"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\nthey are dead and that's a good thing"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGranada conspired with Morocco even in neutered state.\n\nThey needed to be physically removed."}, {"id": 30, "content": "There is absolutely zero reason for peace between Christians and Muslims, and anyone who advocates for it, even in the Church, is a fool.\n\nIslam is literally a religion devoted to blaspheming Christ. It denies the Incarnation and it denies the Resurrection.\n\nThere can be absolutely no peace at all between Christians and Muslims. One must conquer the other. There must be all-out war between them."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>19\nThey were actively collaborating with north african pirates, they had it coming"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Al-Andalus has fallen, its so over Ummah brozzers"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>13\n>Laughs in failed siege of Zaragoza\n>Laughs in Orreaga"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm Catholic so yes"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhy would it need to be justified, how even"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Reconquista was shameful...\n\nFor not continuing to reconquer the former Christian lands of North Africa."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was the Reconquista justified?\nNo."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nIf he loves the building so much he should just be glad it's so well preserved. Look at the amount of history destroyed by Arabs and Mongols in comparison."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>6\nThe kings and nobles were. And the previous ruling caste (shitalians) was no more native than they were. Nor, in fact, was the one before that in most of Iberia (Celts, Greeks, boatkikes)"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was neither Justified nor Unjustified. It was simply power politics between various state actors that, because they had different religions, used them as reasons for invading and conquering each other. To the average peasant on the ground it didn't mean all too much what religion his monarch forced him to follow."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThe issue with this kind of argument is if you said that to the actual peasants and rulers back then, they'd look at you like you're fucking mad. Religion wasn't a pretext back then, religion was a major drive, especially after the 10th century."}, {"id": 42, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion_of_the_Alpujarras_(1568%E2%80%931571)"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>14\nFalse, Celts were never the majority in Asturias and in much of Iberia. There's a reason we use the broad \"CeltIberian\" to refer to Iberia since it was full of language isolates that were at most vaguely influence by Celtic Culture and was not part of Celtic language continuum that composed Noricum, Gaul, Brittania and the Danube Celts"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nCeltiberian is a modern term, back they Strabo and rest of classical scholars called them Celts.\nMost of Spain was occupied by Celts, the myths of Irish actually tell us that their ancestors came from Galicia, leaded by Breogán, a region with more Celtic heritage than most of France (except Brittany), Balkans and North Italy. Something that fit with the information offered by Jordanes, Paulus Orosius and Tacitus."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, it was justified. The Christian Iberian kingdoms had widely accepted reasons to wage war against and conquer the Muslim Iberian states. If you're asking if it's morally justifiable, that's subjective and up to your personal opinions/the narrative you want to spin."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>moralfag debate\naka completely subjective topic with no real tangible answer.\nSo what? If it wasn't \"justified\" that will make the Reconquista magically reverse? The last millennia of Christian Iberian history will disappear? Morals are a bunch of ideas in your head you most likely got from childhood. reality is reality. You don't think the Reconquista was justified? Take pragmatic actions in its reversal or you will die and Iberia will still be Christian, regardless of what you find \"right\"."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>Muslim Iberian states\nThey weren't even iberians, they were arab ruled kingdoms populated by newly arrival north africans, the local baeticans neither had Turdetanians admixture, they were roman era mutts between phoenicians, greeks, punics and romans, and their only link with locals, aka. Christianity and Latin culture was lost after forced conversions.\n\nChristian kingdom came from Iron Age tribes, the asturians, the cantabrians, the gallaecians, the basques, cultures that lived in the iberian peninsula since ancient times."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nThe west destroys far more"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>37\n>They use the buildings that WE built!\n>.t Pakistani"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>40\n>>41\nModern atheists living in Western secular countries always fail to realize that throughout all of history, the vast majority of people actually believed in the faiths they professed and took them very seriously."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nThey didn't really. Most people were illiterate and had no clue what their religions actually taught."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSI bueno"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>13\nWhat happened at Roncevalle again, gabacho?\nI think you even made some shitty poem out of it"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>5\n>Romano-Iberians\n>native"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>9\nBut they were white. Whites can't be colonized because colonization is the result of native powerlessness and exploitative foreign powers"}, {"id": 56, "content": "I'm going to explain the reconquista to Americans\n\nImagine USA has a civil war. Muslims take advantage and conquer the East Coast, being stopped only by Appalachian hillbilies from moving further west.\nAfter a few centuries all East Coasters convert to Islam, and they have a civil war and Balkanize into many States.\nThen, one by one, the Appalachian hillbilies begin to move east and conquer every muslim state one by one, with massive emmigration of the muslims to the middle east to escape from the appalachians, and a lot of population replacement, so that every east coaster ends up being like half appalachian\n\nthat is pretty much what happened in Spain"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>14\n>Galician Celt-Iberians\n>native"}, {"id": 58, "content": "If Celts aren't native to Iberia then they aren't in Gaul and Britain either. You're all too autistics."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>39\nNo they werent inbred mongoloid, the kings were literally basque"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n75% of iberian noblity is descended from frankish capetians lmao"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>47\n>phoenicians, greeks, punics and romans,\nRoman aside none of these groups ever had a significant presence in south Iberia.\nAnd genetic studies show that Romans are highly similar to Spznizrds, much more thzn Italian"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nYeah through marriage, don't change that they were originally basques. Who cares\nMy grandmother is from Belgium, I don't feel any less Iberian because of it."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nSpaniards* lol"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nSorry but you have to go back. I won't tolerate any guiris quadroons in MY España"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did no Asian empires attempt to colonize Australia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "why the fuck did we colonize australia\ni get SEA had spices which were incredibly lucrative but what did anyone get out of that abo infested hell hole\n\n\nlooking forward to the replies to this post in 12 hours when they wake up"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nStopped the french from having it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina is doing it now thoughever"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAustralia is fucking awful its basically a gigantic shitty desert with no existing crops that can be domesticated due to how long it been split from the other continents 260 million+ years. The only Australia civilizations would have been those formed by humans that existed on Australia, the existing asiatic civilizations didnt have the technology to make Australia work."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>with no existing crops that can be domesticated due to how long it been split from the other continents 260 million+ years.\nSo no Columbian Exchange. But deadly wildlife.\nWhy didn't they plant cereals or grain from Asia in Australia?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "australia is a like all uninhabitable wasteland and a little bit of green shit on the east coat. everything there is creepy and dangerous. all the early people there were criminals and sub humans. nobody wants that shit hole."}, {"id": 8, "content": "There were confirmed Dutch visits in the western parts and north-eastern parts from 1606 to 1650 and some visits in 1700-1800 by Makassan Indonesian fishermen\nIt appears that abbos and their lan'ts weren't really all that interesting"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\na lot of China was an uninhabitable wasteland desert"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing to attract settlers before Europeans struck gold."}, {"id": 11, "content": "It's very far away and wasn't on any trade routes.\nNot only do the inhabitable parts not face Asia, the northern coast being barren desert, but Java at the far corner of that map was the only major civilization remotely nearby, a lot of those islands were still chiefdoms and tribes until the Dutch showed up and conquered them."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey probably found the northern coast of Australia then decided it wasn't worth colonizing."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell the parts of the continent which were visited by Asians weren't the sides which were hospitable or great for agriculture. And the parts which were, are just too out of the way for an empire of that time.\n\nSo mainly they stuck to fishing on the northern coast, trading with the Yolngu and whatnot"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>and some visits in 1700-1800 by Makassan Indonesian fishermen\nActually it's more like from 1400, the Yolngu people have reported that they've had contact since the 1400s at the least, possibly even the late 1300s"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nminerals and farmland"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Australia is like 90% useless land. It's impressive they managed to build a modern, first world nation out of it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nIt has some of the best arable land in the world, Australia was one of four countries which accounted for 90% of world wheat trade between 1914-1990s."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>>17\nAnd the \"useless\" land has lithium, gold, rare earth materials, etc."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's a lousy place fit only for the rejects of humanity.\nYou can identify the quality of geographic locations around the world by how good the skiing is, incidentally."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\nWest China was ignored mainly because its South is the Tibetan Plateau and its north is horsemonkey territory"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAustralia is a shithole that’s useless without heavy mining equipment"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWallace Line kept the Fauna out."}, {"id": 23, "content": "They knew it existed but the Chinese weren't really in the habit of making colonies until much much later.\n\nThe Island SEAsians like the ancestors of Malings, Indogs, and Penoys settlement patterns tend to follow major trade routes. Since no civilization existed in Australia- just arid wasteland and shitty stone age tribes- they didn't fucking bother.\n\n>>9\nThat \"uninhabitable wasteland desert\" has oases city states that taken together forms the Western Passage in and out of China and the first leg of the Silk Road out of China. Hegemony & direct Control over this region was necessary to secure from any Westwards invasion into China and profit from the rich city states that make buckloads off the Silk Route."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs there something about the currents surrounding Australia that makes it hard to reach Australia by boat? Cause I understand why Indonesians didn't view it as worthwhile to settle the northern coast of Australia. What I DON'T get is why evidence of contact between Abos and Indonesians only goes back a few hundred years. As OP's pic shows, Australia isn't too far from Indonesia. I don't know why there wouldn't be records of Indonesians reaching Australia older than a millennium unless it's too treacherous to reach it via the sailing technology they had access to at the time."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>7\n>>16\nMore than half of the continent is inhabitable. There's a massive farming industry in Australia. The view that Australia is cities on the coast and desert everywhere else is objectively false."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYeah thanks to modern agricultural methods. Now be some medieval Indonesian who only knows rice farming and do the same in one of the driest continents in the world."}, {"id": 27, "content": "Asians fear risk. They are a race of women, preferring comfort and routine over novel experience"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWhich is why Asians leave their homes to work shitty & dangerous jobs overseas.\n\nMeanwhile you shake at the mere presence of different skinned people lol."}, {"id": 29, "content": "As anons here noted, the Javanese sailors were well aware of the northwest coast of Australia.\nIt was a horrible desert full of abos.\nThey may or may not have got to Perth, which had a nicer climate, but it was unfarmable without modern chemistry.\nThey were not encouraged to keep sailing to the fertile southeast of this continent. Which is a continent. So needs bases-of-operation to supply on the way around, which Australia simply did not have. FFS even Africa had the occasional port like Mogadishu or Kinshasha."}, {"id": 30, "content": "They are colonizing it now."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">No you don't get we just never needed Australia\n>*Imports billions of dollars worth of Australian magic rocks every year*\n\nThanks for playing Chink"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nWhat did the ancient Chinese use uranium and lithium for?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>4\nThis tbqh, and hopefully they’re not too late. Fuck those stupid bogans to death"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nimmortality elixirs"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nNo they used gunpowder for that"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\nChina doesn't even have sovereignty over the Taiwan Strait, let alone anything outside of China."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nChina is losing face and crumbling. It's not happening"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>5\nBanana and Sugarcane were literally domesticated by abbos in Papua. Australia and Papua were connected just 10k years ago, they are part of the same continent."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>4\nOnly after white people made it worth something"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>>37\nobsessed"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\nIt's the go to explanation that they needed a place to dump criminals after the loss of the American colonies?\n>Where should we sen this criminal, sir\n>As far away from me as possible\n>*takes out map and sees an unfinished squiggly coastline and points to it"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>7\nAmericans shut the fuck up when they don’t know shit about other countries challenge (impossible)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anyone care to share things that wikipedia doesn't know about swords (or other cold weapons)?\nFor example, according to wikipedia, falchion-like swords were a thing in Europe from 13th century, but some Baltic tribes (Samogitians, Semigallians, Selonians and maybe some others) used knife-swords that look like falchions, just somewhat shorter, 30 - 60 cm or so in length."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUsed them from like 7th century or perhaps earlier, forgot to add that."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere were kopis that look like a falchion,so you could push it even further back technically"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTrue, although with them it's seems that they are always at least a little bit curved downwards."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I'll try to dump some stuff on macuahuitl tomorrow\n\nHere's a pre-emptive collage of some differences between examples of it across a few codices."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nalright, if thread lives"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nactually some quick corrections"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAztec historians should feel \"lucky\" so many manuscripts survived desu. Even this much art btfo the one or two drawings we have of old korean soldiers\n\nAlso those targeteers on the bottom look wonderful"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEveryone and his fucking mom has some falchion like blade. \"We need a heavy cutting long knife\" is a universal phenomena."}, {"id": 10, "content": "If you believe it will cut, it will."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nThe bent in single edged swords wasn't by design, it was the result of the tempering process where you wanted a hard edge, but soft body so that it wasn't brittle."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n> Anyone care to share things that wikipedia doesn't know about swords (or other cold weapons)?\n\nA thrust from an estoc could deliver more blunt force upon armor than a mace swing could.\n\nSimilar thing was a reality for most stiff bladed swords,\none handed maces and warhammers were shit weapons in comparison and most people still relied on sword thrusts to deliver anti armor damage regardless of region throughout the late medieval and renaissance period."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nbased take, \"le scimitar is arab sword\" is juast another romantic European delusion.\nBig knives is an universal idea."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsickles were used as swords, you wont get this info unless you look deep further into ancient myths. Al indicate usage of sickles as a some sort of weapon\nFirst of all ancient sickles:\nhttps://museum.wales/collections/online/object/e410fa2d-6f22-3bc1-8a97-f1550512b277/Iron-Age-iron-sickle/\nhttps://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_1868-0320-6\nsecond, usage of sicvkles as weapons:\n>So Gaia hid Cronus in \"ambush\", giving him the adamantine sickle, and when Uranus came to lie with Gaia, Cronus reached out and castrated his father, casting the severed testicles into the sea.\nfrom Theogony, compilation of Greek folklore and probably a result of Greek folklore going further back\n>Perseus, a grandson of Cronus, is also regularly depicted in statues and sculpture armed with a harpe sword in his quest to slay the Gorgon, Medusa\n>Harpe is a sickle\nSickles, along with daggers, are on of the grand daddies of swords\nSo, the weapons are tools used for murder, they are not separate from tools. Tools evolved into weapons."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nFalx actually means \"sickle\" or \"curved tool\", falx along with falcata also possibly evolved from sickle."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/falx#Latin\n>sickle, scythe\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx\n>The falx was a weapon with a curved blade"}, {"id": 17, "content": "fsdsd"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>wikipedia"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nmaking this was an absolute nightmare which gave the creator an anxiety disorder about accidentally breaking it.\nt. /diy/"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\npeople really underestimate how thin steel armor was. It was the soft steel, padded cloth under it, and curvature of plates that parred (deflected) the blows rather than stopped it. That's why some knights held shields in the 15th century, because it was better than taking a blow to the head"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\nbesides the spear, the most common polearm was either a bill, scythe, sickle, plowshare, or pruning hook sharpened by a smith and fixed to a pole turned by a carpenter. Then there was the flail"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nyo0u've made stuff with crystal like that?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\nThis is from the 3rd century bc, not bronze age, at least nowhere outside of China"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nMost weapons used were dedicated weapons, not reworked tools. In the late middle ages that are depicted here, bladed striking weapons (halberds, bills, glaives) that are actually all quite similar to each other were the most common aside from spears."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nyes.\nbut what you don't know is that crystals like that are just about the same as working with glass, flint or any other very hard and easy to shatter material."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nNot to mention how it wasn't heat treated as well until aubsburg smiths normalised it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Nature or nurture?\n\nAre our personalities and behaviors predetermined by our genetics or subjective due to our environment during childhood?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are these threads being spammed now?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Nature and it's not even close. It's probably like 90%."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenes interact with the environment so its a little more complicated."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfar more environmental than genetic in terms of the differences between people, but this is a poorly understood topic still because brains are complicated.\n\nThe main way we know genes influence behavior now is in your odds of becoming an addict or developing a mental disorder. With these genes though it's not a gene that guarantees you will have an addiction or disorder, it's something that can be triggered by environmental factors. You may be more likely to become an alcoholic if exposed to alcohol, or you may be more likely to develop PTSD under intense stress, but having those disorders is not actually predetermined."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nHow do genes interact with the environment?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "What makes the cake? The ingredients (nature) or the baking method (nurture)?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth. Darwin and Lamarck have equal prescient over the issue. Don’t listen to deterministfags"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither, shit just happens and trying to assign causality to anything is a fool's errand."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nI'd like to know too. Between the AI Gervais threads (and the like), and irrelevant threads like this, someone is seriously spamming /his/ bigtime."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNurture NPCs debate whether your freedom is 3% or (the objectively correct value) 1%. They just don’t realize it due to their low IQ.\n99% of your essence s determined by your ape Homo nature. This is not even debatable. Try."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"This city had been founded five hundred and fifteen years ago. Throughout the time it maintained its empire, like an insatiable leech, it had swallowed the whole world. Then it gave back everything it had taken. It was punished for the blood it had shed, for the evil it had done, the measure of its iniquities being full.\"\n- Kirakos Gandzaketsi, Armenian historian"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It was punished for the blood it had shed, for the evil it had done, the measure of its iniquities being full.\n>Armenian historian\n\nI will never forgive the mongols or their race for this genocide. Even what of the khan's brothers wrote him an angry letter about how cruel and heartless this was.\n\nDon't worry in two years after this the Mamluk sultanate will humiliate the mongols. Never to be defeated by such worthless subhumans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Even what of the khan's brothers\nProbably because the Golden Horde was ruled by Mongols sympathetic to Islam and the Ilkhanate was still ruled by Buddhists and Nestorians then??? You're retarded if you think this was anything more than geopolitics.\nThe Mongols cleverly tried to play off the Christian states of the Caucasus and the Crusader states of the Levant to conquer the region, and this would have worked if the French ruling in Acre had been more open to allying with the Mongols, but they considered them barbarians worse than the Mamluks, and the count of Sidon Julian Grenier was actually the main architect of the Mamluk victory at Ain Jalut as he let Baibars pass through his territory."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Now, this is fucking hilarious:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Schism"}, {"id": 2, "content": "First bump is best bump."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs we can see the church was just as petty and wordly back then as it is now (if not more so).\nYet its so silly and naive how people look back at it with rose-tinted glasses. Politics in organised religions like Catholicism will always come before genuine theological reasoning."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou're right. Religious institutions can be very different from Religiosity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What caused and ended the thirty years war?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFranco-Hasburg rivalry and the inability to end religious tensions between Protestants and Catholics in the HRE.\n\nIt ended because everyone was tired of war and main instigators like France were busy with their civil war (Fronde)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nfaggot post.\n\n>>1 (OP)\nThey were fighting over the control of the electorate districts of the HRE. When the imperial title passed from Austrian house to the Spanish none had a vote for the new emperor.\n\nFrance was not active in the conflict until much later and even then they just kicked the Spanish out of Burgundy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Austro-Spanish Hapsburgs realizing:\n\n1. That no ultimate victory over the Protestants princes could be gained and that any further fighting would just bring more devastation to Germany and further waste away Haspburg resources and prestige.\n\n2. That Richelieu had succeeded in his goal of establishing France as the strongest power in Europe - which it would remain for the better part of two centuries - and that the war's contunance would only benefit the French in the long run."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>caused\nJesuits, seriously. Whenever Jesuits were allowed to brainwash young princes, those princes would grow up with a passionate desire to genocide Protestants. The Bohemians wouldn't stand for it, knowing what Ferdinand had already done to the Protestants of Styria, and so they rebelled.\n>ended\nThe victory of Protestants over Catholic tyranny, with a little bit of help from the opportunistic French."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Ethiopian Ge’ez bible is the oldest and most complete bible on earth. It’s 800 years older than the KJV and contains over 100 books compared to 66 of the Protestant Bible. Ge’ez is an ancient South Semitic language. The Ge’ez bible is the world's earliest complete illustrated Christian manuscript. Wouldn’t this mean that the Ethiopian / Coptic Orthodox Christian church is the closest source to the earliest christendom, or confirm that their bible is the oldest? Then again, the Ethiopian church is Non-Chalcedonian, and the Miracle of St. Euphemia was the tipping point in deciding the the Council, which excommunicated the Non-Chalcedonians from the church."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">it's older therefore it's more correcter\nuhhhhh catholicbros?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Tell me that you understand the difference between a canon, a codex, and a translation"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nRetard here. Whats the differences?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nA canon is a list of books (canonical) considered part of the bible. \"Protestant canon\". \"Ethiopian canon\".\nA codex is an actual bound book.\nA translation is a version of the bible in a particular language. \"Latin vulgate.\" (German) Luther bible. King James version."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe Ethiopian bible keeps all of the canon as well as apocrypha which isn’t part of the canon. The fact still remains that the book is the least changed while the others are all translations of other translations of other books, making them far from being as accurate in terms of authenticity. If we don’t focus on the non canon apocrypha and rather on the gospel, this shows that this bible is the most well preserved and least polluted on earth"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Keeps all of the canon as well as apocrypha which isn't part of the canon\nLike the Luther bible and KJV?\nThe protestant bible with apocrypha is broader than the catholic canon\n\n>The others are all translations of translations of other books\nNo they're not retard\n\n>This bible is the most well preserved\nYou mean this manuscript?\nWe have secons century NT manuscripts you know"}, {"id": 8, "content": "What's more interesting to me is exploring the origins of their syncretic customs. I live in a building where one resident there is an older lady from the Abyssinian region and she has a row of crosses tattooed across her neck, and it would sadden me to imagine people like her being told that her traditions are an evil ignorance by relatives or members of her community who have become converts to some American religious current."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nSorry if some of what I said was pure assumption. I find it curious that you have to call me a retard though (if you’re a christian). I don’t mind it for atheists in fact I’m an agnostic. But as a christian it’s hypocritical to call someone rude words as it’s against the gospel you preach\n“Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen” Eph 4:29\nI haven’t dwelled too much in the topic, admittedly I haven’t done much research just learned a little bit about this bible, but recognizing many anons say the KJV and then knowing that there’s books 800 years or more older makes me skeptical about what bible is truly authentic. I personally think this one is the most authentic. Its extra biblical apocrypha holds other insight of the historical world, as well as tradition and culture in Ethiopia. If you want to share any insight, or perhaps your beliefs, go on ahead"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIt’s good to be respectful to others. In a climate of diverse traditions and beliefs, it’s impossible to expect your specific viewpoint to triumph over every other belief by pushing it onto others (which has an opposite effect). Nobody can convince anyone directly (unless they are oppressing them). Instead of arguments that lead to nowhere, discussion to learn from eachother is the way we should all strive"}, {"id": 11, "content": "The Yuhudi Scriptures\n—The Law\nIn the Beginning, Names, And He Called, In the Wilderness, Words\n\n—Histories\nYohoshua, Judges, Ruth, Shamu'el, Kings, Chronicles, Jubilees, Hanokh, Ezra–Nehemyah, 1/3–2/4 Esdras, Ester (expanded), Yudith, Tovit, 1–4 Maccabaians\n\n—Prophecies\nThe Twelve, Yashayahu, Yirmiyahu, Barukh, How!, Epistle of Yeremias, Omissions from Yeremias, Yehezqel, Daniyel (expanded)\n\n—Wisdom\nPraises (incl. 151-155), Prayer of Manasses, Proverbs, Preacher, Song of Songs, Iyov, Wisdom, Sirakh\n\nThe New Covenant\n—Matthai, Marc, Lucas, Yoannes, Acts, Romaeans, 1–2 Corinthians, Galates, Ephesians, Philippesians, Colossaeans, 1–2 Thessalonikeans, 1–2 Timotheos, Titus, Philemon, Hebraians, Jacob, 1–2 Rock, 1–3 Yoannes, Yudas, Revelation"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nI obviously don't share your assumption that Christians are forbidden from banter and insult\n\nThe question is, what about it is more authentic? The translation? The canon?\nThe reason that the rest of the church rejects some of these is because they have no support in the early church, and at times were written much later.\nMy insight is that you're making a basic category error of confusing a manuscript with the text contained within. Some anon (you?) who didn't understand the concept called himself a retard in this thread."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAncient Ethiopian kings like king kaleb were not black."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWatch how the atheist recoils when insulted for being an uneducated baboon. I don't believe in your book but um you're a hecking hypocrite according to it chud!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nLol no."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npretty sure we have complete bibles from before 800 AD"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow can there be 34 more books?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>WE WUZ NIGGERS"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n>>12\nIgnore the bot, children."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nSimple. Jews made them up. And niggers were dumb enough to believe them"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\n>>18\nUh yes. Cope\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\nLol yes. That is one of the only surviving pictures of the time of the king of Aksum from Jordan during their time. All the christian ethiopian art didn't come till later like in th 14-1500s. They were more related to berbers, moors, and arabs."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>image source\n>15th century french reproduction of marco-polo"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAlso from Aksum"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nIs that one also on the wiki article? I just clicked the link and checked the image source.\n\n>>24\nOk? Neat coin"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Is that one also on the wiki article?\nFamous mural found made By Jordan/Ethiopian of their king."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nThe coin is Askumite currency."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nFound it, what anon posted is a 1907 reproduction due to the original being heavily damaged. The depicts multiple rulers like the Byzantine and Sassanian emperors, and was made in the Umayyad Caliphate during the 8th century"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nOk and? How does that prove their skin colour?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nCorrect. It perfectly shows that they were not black\n\n>>29\nFacial Features are more important than skin colors. Arabs weren't black and neither were Indians. Thanks for playing."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n*the Fresco named “Painting of the Six Kings depicts multiple rulers\nDunno why I forgot to actually write that, my bad"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nMaybe in the 1907 reproduction, but the original is a lot less white.\nHow are their facial features not black?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\nWE"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>How are their facial features not black?\nProminent Nose\nRecessed chin\n\n>but the original is a lot less white.\nThat is due to damage. And even then the fresco depicts the king of the vizigoths and the byzantine emperor as black according to you. The colors used >>13 here weren't guesses. And this was found in jordan. Practically in the kingdom of Aksum."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>20\nAs opposed to all other Jew books, which is to say the OT? Shit, the NT was penned by jews as well. Shit"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>no black person has these facial features\nNo\nAnd I’m not saying they’re black. I’m just saying a 1907 reproduction of something that’s been damaged which was found in a place thousands of kilometres from Axum and was made during a time when the only people who really left their locales were soldiers or traders probably isn’t an accurate depiction either."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nSpeaking of rarely leaving their own locale, notice how the colour of their skin looks awfully similar to some Arabic people? It’s quite possible that the only reference the artist had was the people around him after all."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>23\n>>33\nYeah, bro. There was a giant international conspiracy between Arab and European scholars to lie about White Aethiopians, seems reasonable."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>go to Etheopia\n>see black people\nVs\n>people who’ve never been there\n>depict them as white"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>kilometres from Axum\nPic related where aksum was\n\n>notice how the colour of their skin looks awfully similar to some Arabic people?\nThat is just the color fading after years of sitting in that place.\n\nPic related. Is where the kingdom was actually at.\n\n>>39\n>people who went to Ethiopia in kingdom of aksum depicted them as white.\n\nThis may be surprising but demographics change throughout history."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nYou do know where that mural was from right? Jordan? The country next to Isreal? That’s pretty far away. As in thousands of Kilomiters"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThe red sea is right there, Arabs could travel as far as Al-Andalus."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nYou say that as that is too far for them to know what one of the four great kingdoms of the world at the time would look like?\n\nThat is like saying people in carthage wouldn't know what italians looked like. Or Germans wouldn't know what russians looks like."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nAksum was a big trading partner with the byzantine empire. They weren't some recluse hard to get to kingdom."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>30\n>Facial Features are more important than skin colors. Arabs weren't black and neither were Indians. Thanks for playing.\nAre you from the new world?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nYes I said traders and soldiers went a long way. Do you really think a simple artist is going to go all the way to Spain or Ethiopia, trekking across deserts and hiring a boat to see what the people there look like? Hell europeans thought Ethiopia was ruled by Prester John until the Portuguese landed there, despite the Crusader Kingdoms being right next to where this Mural was.\nMy point is the best source we can have for what the people there looked like is the people who actually lived there, who depicted themselves as black or darker skinned."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nEuropean is way farther than where jordan was. Aksum and askumites were bustling through there daily.\n\n>My point is the best source we can have for what the people there looked like is the people who actually lived there, who depicted themselves as black or darker skinned.\nThe askumites never depicted themselves as dark skinned or black. All these christian paintings like int the OP come from the 16-19th century."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>a simple artist\nArtists had wealthy patrons, and could have had access to that knowledge."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nAskumite was a kingdom from 1 to 8/9th Ad."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>could\nMeanwhile the people who lived there\n>did\nOnce again, that’s my whole point.\n>>49\nStop being purposely obtuse."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>Meanwhile the people who lived there\nDid not depict themselves as negro as seen even on this currency >>24\n\nAnd people in jordan (still pretty close to them) was directly within on of their trade roots."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>coin has no skin colours\n>conduct phrenology to determine they’re white\nMaybe it does look like white guy, but it also looks like the negro from Magnificent Seven."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>but it also looks like the negro from Magnificent Seven\nIt does not, And I have seen that movie at least 6 times."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>big nose\n>strong jaw\n>same facial hair\nI’m talking about the remake tho, so maybe that’s where the confusion is. Not to say the OG isn’t a great movie because it is."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\n>Maybe it does look like white guy\n>white guy\nWhen people say that the Aksum did not have black or negro rulers, they are not saying that makes them white. That means they could of been arabs, berbers, moors, or mixed, all who have been known to have swarthy skin."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nYou must’ve missed it but what started all this was my response to someone who said they were white, as in the pic they used to prove Ethiopian weren’t black was titled “white.jpg”"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nI don't read filenames unless it's a filename thread. The royalty were most likely not white or black. But they certainly had a mixed raced population. And saying an askumite was never black is false, same as saying not a single one was not black. Slavery was a prime market back then, and hundreds if not thousands of negro men would have passed through if not resided if they didn't already make up a sizable portion of the population. They are right next to where the kushites was/were so I sought there was any real non-black/black racism there. Black people would've been a common sight there."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>>57\nTo elaborate further. People (Americans) depend to be really extreme in their depictions of acient races, a disease that has spread through the internet. They either depict them as anglo-saxon or primitive west african (African-american stock). There population could have been what rome was to europe: A mixing point between to lands, with rome: Europe and middle east. With aksum. Middle east and sub Saharan Africa."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>13\nPost genetic proof or fuck off"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>13\n>>21\n>>22\n>>30\n>>34\n>>47\n>all this retardation\n\"Aethopia\" was literally just a catch all term to refer to extremely dark skin populations the Greeks knew of. Nubia, the Maghreb and even India were called Aethiopians. it was never only for the Ethiopia we know today which was called Abyssinia back then. As for \"white\" Aethiopians, those are probably just Berbers.\n\nPic related is an Islamic depiction of an Aksumite king, not white by any stretch of the mean. Using a single damaged fresco made by someone who probably never visited Aksum as proof that they were white or whatever is beyond retarded.\n>>40\n>but demographics change throughout history.\nWhich isn't the case here since Ethiopia's demographics remained fairly consistent until the Solomonids expanded out from the Ethiopian highlands, the original homeland of Ethiosemites."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\n>The royalty were most likely not white or black\nThen what exactly?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nThey were black. They were the same as the people living there today"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis thread sucks. how do the ge'ez manuscripts differ in anyway? they have jubilees and the enoch books? that's cool anon, but everyone already knows that. the next time you make a thread try to bring more to the table."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>16\nAlthough this anon confused \"800 years older than KJV\" with 800AD, I'm surprised noone in this thread has pointed out the Codex Sinaiticus, which is a bit older."}, {"id": 65, "content": "Unless you accept the primacy of the pope, you are not a christian. This is agreed upon by all religions, hiddenly or manifestly."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nIndeed so I'm not sure what he was getting at."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>60\n>>62\n>>66\n>>59\n\nYou were shown that\n\n>\"Aethopia\" was literally just a catch all term to refer to extremely dark skin populations\n\nNot true\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians\nplease note that 'white' mean causcoid\n\nAll evidence points to causcoid ruling class and a good chunk of population during kingdom of aksum.\n\n>>24\n>>13\n\nKvetching with 15th and 18th century art to debate whether a kingdom that lasting to 1st to 8th century is pathetic."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\n>Londoners were middle eastern\n>the same people living there today"}, {"id": 69, "content": "In an effort to cope with niggers being Christian longer than Yurop, muttmerican LARPers now have to WE WUZ Ethiopia to salvage their 'white volk religion' from Israel."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nseethe\n\nsee\n>>24\n>>24\n\nNobody said that 'Ethiopians' were not black in the later millenia, if you are hard set on that defintion, then the kingdom of aksum was not ethiopian."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>muttmerican LARPers\nAmerikkkanos are of anglo stock. They have nothing to do with the kingdom of aksum. MENA is the kingdom of Aksum. They were not white or black but MENA. Whites and Blacks need to stop claiming the achievements of MENA"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>67\n>All evidence points to causcoid ruling class and a good chunk of population during kingdom of aksum.\nNo it doesn't. Did you even read my post or that article?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nIf MENA why MENAs treat ethiopian slaves like shit ?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nYes it does. You posted no article. All articles posted in this thread point to the contrary"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>If MENA why MENAs treat ethiopian slaves like shit?\nProbably because the Kingdom of Aksum only reached the north half part of ethiopia. And encompassed also Sudan and Yemen. If you are dead set on only blacks being ethiopian (despite the evidence) then the kingdom of Aksum was mostly non-ethiopian then. But like all MENA civilizations racism wasn't an issue. It wasn't till, northern Europeans started gaining influence did they impose their racist ideals and practice on MENA states. Rome and greece are more related to middle eastern Berbers and moors than they are anglo-saxons and germanics. They may even be more related to somalis and ethiopians (black) than even nordics. Northern Africa was a melting pot that Had many MENA civilization. Even strictly black civilstions like the kushites and nubians became pharaohs of eygypt. Even though these people may have not been the rulling class or even the majority of the kindgom of aksum, they no thought played a crucial part to its culture and technology. And ethiopians (black ones) did not forget the civilizations of the kindgom of aksum and perfectly replicated, borrowed or adapted to create the Ethiopian empire. (all black). That rivaled even italy at the time."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nare you retarded. ethiopians 1000 years ago are the same as their descendants today. 40-50% SSA, 40-50% non black. i think they’re around 20-25% semitic at best with the rest of their non SSA genetics coming from elsewhere. the strictly black civilisations you speak of have the same genetic makeup as ethiopians and somalis, 40-50% SSA."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>are you retarded. ethiopians 1000 years ago are the same as their descendants today.\nYou are confusing ethiopia (who are also white) with the kingdom of aksum which only reached to the upper north of Ethiopia."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>the upper north of Ethiopia.\nyou can just say habesha’s, it’s ok. habesha’s have never, and will never be, white. have whites fallen this low that they will claim mixed race semites? this >>unknown confirms what i was saying, before aksum the ethiopians you speak of were ‘black-er’ (60% SSA). aksum taking over south yemen allowed them to further bleach and become the 50% ssa group they are now"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n>it’s ok. habesha’s have never, and will never be, white. have whites fallen this low that they will claim mixed race semites?\n\nI'm am sorry if this revelation hits you persnolly, but the sad truth is that a good chunk and the ruling class were not black.\n\n\n>aksum taking over south yemen allowed them to further bleach and become the 50% ssa group they are now\nhaha no. Even the ethiopian (black) population today have less Eurasian dna that their acients.\n\nPic related is pottery from aksum. The were heavenly influenced by greek and romans. Some even say that the Sabaeans founded or influenced the empire. They had greek on their coins\n\nAnd their depections at the time were of this.\n>>24\n>>13"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>but the sad truth is that a good chunk and the ruling class were not black.\nyes they were not black. they were mixed retard, that’s my point.\n>Even the ethiopian (black) population today have less Eurasian dna that their acients\nagain, not true. if this is true provide a paper or something.\n>Some even say that the Sabaeans founded or influenced the empire\neh depends on what you believe. sabaeans mixed with the (majority SSA) habeshas to create semitic speaking, 50% SSA habeshas who founded and influenced the empire. do you think someone is a sabaean because their mom is or their dad is or the grandparents are?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>74\n>articles\nThere was only one and it was a wikipedia article\n>>78\n>aksum taking over south yemen allowed them to further bleach and become the 50% ssa group they are now\nThe extra Eurasian DNA actually came before Aksum. Its from when Semitic languages arrived in northern Ethiopia/Eritrea.\n>>79\n>that their acients.\nWe have literally no Aksumite DNA samples, where did you get this from? The only possible genetic difference between the Aksumites and modern Habesha is the minor Omotic DNA found in the latter. Amharas and Tigrayans were literally already 50%+ Eurasian since the Bronze Age.\n>The were heavenly influenced by greek and romans.\nThey were mainly influenced (initially) by South Arabian civilizations. They of course were also influenced by Greco-Roman civilization simply because they were well connected with the world of Antiquity.\n>>80\nThe ethnogenesis of Ethiosemites predates the Sabaeans. Their Eurasian ancestors were North African hence why they are E1b1b, not J1 like Yemenis."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n>yes they were not black. they were mixed retard, that’s my point.\nMixed at in MENA yes.\n\n>eh depends on what you believe"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\n>we have no dna of aksumites\n>The only possible genetic difference between the Aksumites and modern Habesha is the minor Omotic DNA found in the latter.\ncontradiction at finest."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nSo they’re white because they mixed with MENA’s? Is that your point?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nNo, MENA are not white. There non-blackness was because the ruling class and those of aksum were MENA."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nOccam's razor"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nBy Occams razor you refute your own argument\n>>79\n>>40\n>>24\n>>13\n>>21"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>82\n>>84\n>>85\nStop reducing civilizations and cultures to the same tired and shitty American made dichotomy of white/black. Aksum was neither, they were Habesha. You fags do the same with Egypt."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>refute your own argument\nHow? All I said is that its extremely likely the Aksumites were the same people as the ones today. Sure we *don't* have DNA samples to 100% objectively prove the claim but you don't need them when its obvious."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nMoving goal post are we? Nobody said they were white, just that they were not black at least in aksum and ruling class"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\n>How? All I said is that its extremely likely the Aksumites were the same people as the ones today.\nBecause we given evidence to refute that, and assuming that populatins stay stagnangt throughtout the years is foolish, by that reasoning acient america was white."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nNobody is saying black people didn't exist in aksum. But the elite and nobility and major cities were definitely majority non-black based on archeological evidence."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\n>black\nI don't care for your gay culture war. Aksum was Habesha, plain simple.\n>>91\n>given evidence\nLiterally what evidence? The only things I saw were a damaged fresco and some coin, neither of which proves that they were anything but Habesha.\n>stagnangt throughtout the years is foolish,\nAre you implying some large scale migration blacked them? Do you not realise Amhara and Tigrayan TODAY are already 50%+ Eurasian?\n>>92\nAksum was entirely inhabited by Cushitic and Semitic speakers.\n>elite and nobility\nWhy do you say this? We have no elite samples."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\n>Aksum was entirely inhabited by Cushitic and Semitic speakers.\n\nNo it was mainly semetic with lots of greek, I don't know why you are being so defensive about this despite the articles the depections. Like I said, you may as well think Ancient americans were white based on your logic"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>mainly semetic\nThat doesn't contradict what I said. There were Cushitic speakers too. In fact, Agaws were the ones Semitized first.\n>with lots of greek\nLol no.\n>so defensive about this\nYou shit heads are trying to pass off Aksum as non-Ethiopian. No different from hotepfags."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>Lol no.\nlol yes. Ever heard of the Erza stone? Greek was the offical language of the administration in Aksum.\n\n>You shit heads are trying to pass off Aksum as non-Ethiopian. No different from hotepfags\nWell it was only located in norther ethiopia. Deceptions shown show non black people. To suggest that the city of Aksum and the ruling class were not strictly Ethiopians by your defintion of ethiopians., even though Ethiopians have been said to be white in some places in the past."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nGo back to mereja instead of lecturing us and calling everyone a fag"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\nNobody saying they didn't have a sizable black population, only that it's adminstartions and rulers and cityfolk were mainly non black"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\nNobody is attacking Ethiopia and there grand accomplishments. We are just stating that Aksum was quite literally ruled and ran for the most part by non-black people or maybe even mixed black people. Based on archeological evidence."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\n>Ever heard of the Erza stone?\nYes. It has multiple languages on it and its the only Greek inscription found in Aksum. How is that proof of a sizable Greek population? Like I said, Aksum was connected with the Greco-Roman world so they were familiar with Greek.\n>were not strictly Ethiopians by your defintion of ethiopians.,\nBy Ethiopian, I mean Habesha. Not your Bantu boogeyman.\n>said to be white in some places in the past.\nLmao.\n>>97\n>let me tell you about your country\n>>98\n>>99\nOnce again, \"black\" is meaningless here. Do you or do you not agree that Aksum was Habesha?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nAre habeshas black? Answer yes or no only"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\n>Historically, the term \"Habesha\" represented northern Ethiopian Highlands Orthodox Christians\nIt really doesn't point to race just culture"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nHabesha is not a race."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\nFirst off define black. They generally don't view themselves as black except for maybe some western ones like Weeknd. Culturally and genetically speaking they are very distinct from typical sub saharans so make of that as you will.\n>>103\nYes, and? They are the descendants of the Ge'ez speaking Aksumites."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\n>>102\nwhy are Muslim highlanders not considered habesha? Do you support Oromos waging war on Muslim amharas because they’re not really habesha?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>They are the descendants of the Ge'ez speaking Aksumites.\nOnce again it's not a racial term, so their can only be cultural decedents."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>Do you support Oromos waging war on Muslim amharas because they’re not really habesha?\nYes habesha's are strictly christian. Once you convert to muslim you are no longer habesha."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nBack then it wasn't, they try to use it today as one with mixed success."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\n>only cultural\nNope, genetic too."}, {"id": 110, "content": "What are the historical implications of arguing that Aksum wasn't black?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nThat Americans shouldn't be allowed to talk about history"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\n>>111\nBecause it wasn't\nsee\n\n>>79\n>>40\n>>24\n>>13\n>>21\n\nYou are only making yourself look ridiculous now"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>109\nNope not till recently, literally the first thing any article of it tells you."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>109\n>>110\n>The Ethiopian written language, known as Ge’ez, was derived from the Sabaean script that originated in the Arabian kingdom of Saba. Some inscribed stone slabs from the time of Aksum’s King Ezana are engraved in three languages: Ge’ez, Sabaean, and Greek. Ge’ez, though no longer the vernacular in the region, remains in use in Ethiopia’s Orthodox Church."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>13\n>post ummayad depiction of king roderic of visigoth spain"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndoesn't matter what version of it you get, it's still fake and gay."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>85\nKinda true, there was a large black population in aksum. Are you arguing that aksumites were not black or that they were ruled by non blacks? I found this\n\n>Well the short answer is no, the explantion is as follows:\n\n>I will start with addressing the common misconception that all the inhabitants of the axumite empie were axumite, axumites are only the native citizens of the city of axum , this was considered true for most of the time axum served as the capital, of the initially citystate (kingdom?) later empire of axum (400/300bc, foundation-7thcentury ad, change of capital), not even all ethiosemites were entitled to the name,the land/province of the semites was called habeshat, the city of axum was in that province and axumites were certainly semites but the opposite wasnt true.\n\n>Now to the answer, were the inhabitants of the axumite empire racially black , yes , most of the inhabitants of the axumite empire were black , specifically cuhsitc and nubian black , because most of the empire was located in areas continuously inhabited by black people(sudan,the interior of ethiopia,somalia,djibouti,…)\n\n>but depicting the inhabitants of the semitic cities, towns,.. including the city of axum(who seem to have been the minority)as black people would be historically inaccurate ; as they were linguistically semitic, genetically neolithic anatolian and culturally southarabian people (with extra similarities to the himyarites) ,even the byzantines called them “an arabian tribe”, so it cant be put into doubt .\n\n>As for kushites they were definitely black , thats how they&others depicted them in artwork plus there are countless records that support this fact."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\nI'm sorry to burst your bubble but it's called the 'painting of the six kings' for a reason. Roderic is on the right not center.\n\nNext to center is the king of Aksum. Sorry if this revelation hurts you on a personal level. :^)\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painting_of_the_Six_Kings"}, {"id": 119, "content": "https://phys.org/news/2023-04-dna-window-african-civilisations-left.html\nWhat does this science article have to say about Aksum?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>112\n>>60\n\n>>113\nI didn't even say Habesha were a race."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\n>But we also found evidence of earlier migrations into Africa from the Arabian peninsula, which occurred by sea. This intermixing coincided in time with the Kingdom of Aksum, located in northeast Africa and southern Arabia, during the first millennium AD.\n\nThere you have it. Non-blacks founded Aksum"}, {"id": 122, "content": "Another ancient depiction of aksumites (right)"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">You guys are just like hotepfags\nHotepfags were right though, there were black pharaohs and the kingdom of Kush is real. That doesn't mean in applies to aksum. Aksum was an anomaly in Ethiopian history for scholar still try to figure out where it came from. Did it come from Dm't? The sabs? Why was their administrative language and the language of the monarch and government Greek? Why were the Aksumites depicted as 'non-african' in ancient art and coins despite them having a large African population? Was the ruling class different than the population? Or was it a linkage b/w them? Why did the Byzantines love them so much that they sent a fleet to help them invade yemen?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\nExcept Semitic admixture occured way before Aksum\nhttps://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004393#pgen.1004393-Pagani1\n>>122\n>islamic\n>ancient"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\n*DIDING*\n*DUMDUM*\nYOOOOOOOOUUUUUIUU"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\nAnd here is another from the 5/6th century of Persians (mounted) fighting askumites. One of the aksumites were black while the rest were right."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>124\n>Except Semitic admixture occured way before Aksum\n\nSo aksum was non-black way before aksum was created is what you are saying. Got it."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nAXOM MAN RETHINKS LIFE DECISIONS"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nSince the byzantine also help, could this be a depiction of mostly them and one aksumite fighting the Persians.\n\n>>122\nThis was made in 14tch century.\n\nHowever pic related was made in 10th century right after fall of aksum of king kaleb.\n\nThough this is from Byzantium, and everybody nose they use one stencil for all of their saints."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>123\n>Hotepfags were right though\nLmao no. They claim all of ancient Egypt as black.\n>Did it come from Dm't? The sabs?\nIt arose after Dm't but probably wasn't a successor kingdom, just an independent one\n>Why was their administrative language and the language of the monarch and government Greek?\nIt wasn't, where did you get that from?\n>Aksumites depicted as 'non-african' in ancient art and coins\nThere is barely any art explicitly depicting Aksumites"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>It wasn't, where did you get that from?\nAny article on on the kingdom of aksum"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>126\nThey were fighting in Arabia meaning there were Arabians fighting on the Aksumite side too\n>>127\n>So aksum was non-black way before aksum was\nReread this statement slowly and realise how stupid that sounds."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>130\n>There is barely any art explicitly depicting Aksumites\nsee\n>>126\n>>13\n>>79\n>>24"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>132\n>Reread this statement slowly and realise how stupid that sounds.\nI read it, the first aksum is talking about the region the other the state."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>132\n>They were fighting in Arabia meaning there were Arabians fighting on the Aksumite side too\nI pretty sure contemporary art for the Persian-aksumite war would show aksumites, especially since they essentially colonized the placed and had to be expelled."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\nWow, congrats, you posted the handful of art depicting Aksumites\n>>134\nThere was no Aksum region during that timeframe\n>>135\nThey held Yemen for a short amount of time. The general who ruled the colony even rebelled"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\n>The general who ruled the colony even rebelled\nThe general was an asshat who wanted to make an independent nation. He was still there."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\n>He was still there.\nYes but not for a long time"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nThey were there for more than half a century what are you talking about?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nThat is very short and they didn't even leave any dna"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\nProbably because they were too similar."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\nThe crusaders left their dna in Jerusalem. And that was like 80 years"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nAksumites were half black so no\n>>142\nCrusaders established a major state and facilitated migration from Europe"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\n>Aksumites were half black so no\nAnd so are arabs"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nok"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>144\nOnly Nafris"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\n>Only Nafris\nYou know for a fact it is not only nafris"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\nWhat about ancient tuareg people?"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>147\nOther Arabs have very little african dna. Its nafris who have the most hence why many of them look black\n>>148\nThey are also nafri"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if MacArthur became President instead of Eisenhower?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The planet would be a smouldering wasteland"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMacArthur was only ever good in a role where he was given absolute power as the pseudo-Shogun of Japan. I doubt he'd be a capable politician. He was also prone to to sacrifice efficiency in his military career for the chance to make photo-ops (I guess that's standard for politicians, though). He was also a terrible general who bungled the defense of the Philippines. His overoptimistic aggression also directly led to provoking the Chinese to intervene in the Korean War which he sought to resolve by unleashing Nuclear War. He was also a bad person given his unsympathetic treatment of the Bonus Army composed of WW1 Veterans protesting in hopes of receiving their bonuses early in the midst of the Great Depression. He was also an egomaniac, defaming Wainright's reputation - who was brought in to be sacrificed in the Philippines as MacArthur fled with $500,000 given to him by the Philippine President - in hopes of having him denied the Medal of Honor because godforbid someone else have the chance to shine. But then again, that last part is also somewhat standard for politicians.\n\nNevertheless, I wouldn't want him in a position of power."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>MacArthur was only ever good in a role where he was given absolute power as the pseudo-Shogun of Japan\n>Nevertheless, I wouldn't want him in a position of power.\nPlease explain this contradiction sir"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI should have specified that he was only ever good in an administrative role where he was given absolute power as the pseudo-Shogun of Japan.\n\nNevertheless, the power invested in the President of the United States is not dictatorial. The Executive Branch needs to work with the Legislative Branch with cooperation and compromise not being one of MacArthur's strong suit. Hence, that's one such reason why MacArthur wouldn't be suited for the Presidency. Besides that, there are more functions than administrative ones invested in the Presidency as the President is also Commander-in-Chief. God forbid you have a President advocating for nuclear war when a conflict arises."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhat if he did make the presidency more dictatorial? Not like there isn't a precedence with FDR anyway\n\nAlso better question since you seem to know about MacArthur, why do you think he was particularly good as Shogun of Japan?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nNTA but what makes a politician better than a policy maker is the ability to work around limitations of power. FDR, Lincon, and LBJ were some of the greatest American leaders in history because of their ability to navigate around and weild the mechanisms of power in DC, and get shit done. The American political system is designed around checks and balances, and you've got to be really good to get shit done.\n\nIn his position as governor of Japan, MacArthur could drop some of the biggest reforms in the social structure of Japan seen its entire history in the morning, and have the entire country working on it by the afternoon, and when anyone objected he could just say \"Well I'm fucking MacArthur\". In DC, if you said \"Do what I do because I'm the President\" you'd get told to go fuck yourself.\n\nThis is why only a special type of person ends up going far in politics. You've got to have this primal lust for power on top of the ability to persuade like nothing else, on top of the ability to wade through miles and miles of shit just to get a diluted bill into law."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIt is precisely that. He could have escalated the conflict with the Communists to nuclear war and then used it as a pretense to justify dictatorial powers. There would have been a lot of support for this in the Supreme Court."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA MacArthur/LeMay ticket would have lost badly in 1952."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere the Omar Bradley chads at?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>>9\n>>1 (OP)\nHenry Wallace, Taft, and Dewey are the only plausible and interesting alternatives to the Truman Eisenhower era. President MacArthur was never gonna be allowed and Eisenhower initially ran to block him and Taft from winning"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgBK5rvPlo [Embed]\nLehi \"initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis, proposing a Jewish state based on \"nationalist and totalitarian principles, and linked to the German Reich by an alliance\"\nwow\nAll the early history of Israel is very impressive, it is a real triumph of will."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“You can have nothing more noble and sacred than a national war, the war of a nation to safeguard its dignity, liberty and life. The life of a nation without dignity and without liberty is no life at all. That is why any self-respecting nation, either big or small, is willing to take its destiny into its own hands and wage a national war, the course of which will be determined by the nation’s readiness and its determination to fight against all odds – to be killed rather than to surrender.\n\n“Even if these ‘immeasurable values’ do not always predict the outcome of the war, they nevertheless determine its historical significance, its value to the fate of the nation, whatever the outcome may be… It is not the war’s success that determines the future of the nation for generations to come but the war itself – its character and the people’s resistance, in the face of danger, against the enemy…\n\n“Today, as on any day before or after, here in our own homeland our lives emulate those of our brethren in exile. Like them, we keep to the sidelines to escape from the glare of the sun and the wrath of the police. Torn and ragged, chilled to the bone, almost barefoot and absolutely famished… lacking a pillow on which to rest our weary heads, in attics with dilapidated roofs, in muddy basements, in remote shacks… and, as cruel as the fate of freedom fighters wherever they may be, as bitter as betrayal by one’s brethren, numberless days like these await us – until the coming of the day of revenge and battle, the day of the sacred Hebrew Revolution.”"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso the mud flingers that killed the Swedish ambassador who personally saved 30k+ Jews."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, the Stern Gang."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe is an absolutely based turbo Chad who ensured that the Jews would survive even if Hitler won the war, mostly as a wedge that Mussolini could use to project influence in the Middle East."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the only truly based Jews"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLikud are descended from them"}, {"id": 8, "content": "*Summarily executes you for being a troublemaker*\n\nHeh, nothing personnel kid."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the significance of Selene and Endymion?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "THE OG tradcath larper convert"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni seriously cant tell if thats a woman or femboy."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBoth"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>invite one of the great philosophers of your age to tutor you\n>forget to keep him warm in the cold Nordic winter\n>he dies\nCan't help being a Sagittarius!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI want to fuck that for some reason. Dont even know if its male or female & dont care tbqh senpai desu ne."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nOut of the Civ6 waifus, Jadwiga is hotter."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nDon't be too mean. She was dropped on the head as an infant."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The first tradcath was a butch lesbian\nReally makes you think."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>8\n>The “OG tradcath” was a lesbian tutored by the philosopher who said “arithmetic s the most superior field (above philosophy and theology)” and who frequently ran foul of the church and had to postpone releasing some books because of other academics who got in trouble\n\nHmmmm. That says a lot about Catholicism."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nApparently it is actually a theory that he was poisoned by the Catholics through an arsenic-laced communion wafer.\n\nhttps://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/14/rene-descartes-poisoned-catholic-priest"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven though it’s universally panned, the Liv Ullmann movie about her wasn’t that bad. They called her “the Second Garbo.”"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nthey're now retconning her into a faggot. In another year they'll say she was trans."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThat’s actually a rumor which originated in her own time due to her being unmarried. Both Hollywood movies (the Garbo and Ullmann ones) sanitized it by giving her male lovers but in truth, she was likely lesbo as fuck."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>another year they'll say she was trans\nThey already are anon. You don't listen to the Queer History podcast you pleb? They refuse to gender her and call her they/them :)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Defending the honor of 17th century autistic Swedish queens"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nThat's a myth.\n>It had been more than three years since Christina had last seen her cousin. She was now fifteen, and she found at once that her former easy, boyish talk of fencing and hunting no longer felt appropriate when she was with him. Awkward chatter soon gave way to whispers and sighs and secret glances, as the friend of her childhood metamorphosed into her first love. It became a conspiracy. With chaperones in the way, the two resorted to impassioned notes, delivered by an excited Maria Euphrosyne, cousin and sister to the lovers, or a surprising alternative go-between, Christina’s learned old tutor, Johan Matthiae."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt’s not a myth. More like it’s a rumor that was created by political enemies so they could get the people against her. It was an actual thing people speculated about her during her own lifetime so it is a bit more than a myth."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>just let us lie about history, goy\n>expecting us to tell the truth is another form of Holocausting\njews are so tiresome."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nBut for real, if she were a “tradcath” as Op claims why did she call on a guy considered borderline heretic by the Catholic Church?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI could fix her."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>her"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>4\nDidn't Grotius also die on his way to meet her?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\n>cousin and sister to the lovers"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>>18\nYou don’t have to go far to find examples of women acting like men and fucking women in the historical record. Personally I find it cringe when queers try to claim her and when people claim she definitely wasnt attracted to women at all, its pretty ambiguous which one was the case based on her behavior, we’ll never know which was the case"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's a Jew."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nShe was “European noble” which is considered its own ethnicity since all nobles in Europe are related to a handful of German families from Charlemagne’s era."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nA jew."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYes, the Jewish queen of Sweden."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni can't quite put my finger on it, but i don't trust something about this person."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nHer father was literally named Adolf."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're just mad because she was the daughter of le based Gustavus \"i'm gonna get shot on horseback like the dumb protestant savage I am\" Adolphus and was set to rule after him but she converted to the church her dumb ass father fought so hard against, and killed so many Germans along the way, instead."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\n>>30\n>roman nose = jew\nkys"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nand how does that make someone bad? typically adolfs are pretty based."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\ni take it you don't see the hook at the end... yes, very roman. i remember seeing all of them running around with beaks."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nwe know her bloodline, she was pure nordic. so kys, shizo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If God said \"You loved me with all your heart BUT you just sinned so much I don't think I can put you in heaven\" would you accept it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only thing I could not accept is that I loved Him with all my heart."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif you believed Jesus was the Son of God, then you are entitled to heaven. no exception."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\neven if you worship Satan?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nyes."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Your consciousness speaks for itself. I’m atheist so I don’t believe in a God/s. I was raised christian however, and in terms of your question what a proper christian response would usually be is that someone’s consciousness is what God sees, and he can see whether you are truly serious in your faith as well as your contrition and would the judge you accordingly. Most of the time people who have shame last minute according to christendom will be judged, and if they are sincere in hearts, they will have to be purified before entering heaven.\nMatthew 5:26\nTruly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>If God said \"You loved me with all your heart BUT you just sinned so much I don't think I can put you in heaven\" would you accept it?\n\n\nIF ONE DIES WITHOUT THE GRACE OF GOD, ONE CANNOT ENTER PARADISE; ONE DIES WITHOUT THE GRACE OF GOD, IF ONE EXPIRES WITHOUT HAVING BEEN ABSOLVED OF ONE'S SINS.\n\nNOONE IS ENTITLED TO ENTER PARADISE: ENTRY IS EARNED."}, {"id": 8, "content": "I would challenge him to a thumb war and if he declined they would all probably know he's scared of me. Nobody would want to stay in Heaven with him after that."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I truly believe that people use Buddhism as something like an API to Christianity. Our entire culture is build around it whether we like it or not, but you seem like more interesting person when you say that you follow teachings of Buddha then teachings of Jesus. Modern people like to hijack Buddhism because they can sense that it is \"true\" and what I actually mean is that it covers similar problems that are already laid out in our culture.\nExamples:\n> Life is suffering - this is the main Buddhist message, but it is no accident that in Christianity the main story is about a guy who was killed in the most brutal way possible in spite of that he done nothing but good his entire life. That is a story of anyone's life.\n> Attachment is the main reason of suffering - now, this is a moment when things get interesting. No westerner will follow this message to its limit, because we have to many cool shit to abandon them. I like this example: If you told white woman, who calls herself Buddhist, not to own a dog because she will get to attached to it and when it dies she will suffer (which she want to get rid of due to her \"religion\"), she will call you crazy because dogs are cute and so on... It the west, I think, we have better idea. In Mt 10, 20 Jesus is basically saying that we should abandon these things that are holding us from becoming who we could be, because in principal what we could be is better then who we are now.\n\nI can go so on and so on, but I think you get what I am saying - it is easy for people to pick up Buddhism, because you can strip it from its metaphysics like reincarnation and something like 30 hells cause you are basically borrowing it from other cultures that you are not a part of. Modern western buddhist are actually Christians in disguise but they refuse to admit it.\n\nAm I wrong here or there is something to it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd equate it to platonism more than Christianity. Also there is no salvation dogma in Buddhism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSorry if I didn’t read but No, Buddhism is not “basically” Christianity, however there are many parallels between the two, as there are many parallels between all religions. That’s because all cultures naturally have a similar understanding between light and darkness, good and evil. Morality is hardwired in our brains, even across cultures. Religion reinforces that.\nYour claim is very bold, but you have some truth in that similar religions across different cultures have many striking parallels"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>No westerner will follow this message to its limit, because we have to many cool shit to abandon them. I like this example: If you told white woman, who calls herself Buddhist, not to own a dog because she will get to attached to it and when it dies she will suffer (which she want to get rid of due to her \"religion\"),\nNor will any easterner? 99% of Buddhists throughout history have not been ascetic monastics. The average lay Buddhist practitioner is not trying to get rid of suffering. They are just trying to be a good Buddhist so they get a good rebirth and perhaps pursue enlightenment in a future life."}, {"id": 5, "content": "What Buddhism and Christianity could be considered to have in common is being more ascetic faiths in contrast to the traditional ritualism of historical polytheist religions and ancient Judaism. Islam with the likes of Sufism, and other currents like Jainism, Yoga, Advaita Vedanta, and Sikhism can also be similarly identified with asceticism."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat the hell is western buddhism? you mean white woman \"buddhism\"? most western countries have proper temples so you can just go there a see for yourself if they're larping"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>in spite of that he done nothing but good his entire life"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>pic\nNow that’s funny"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIronically, the gospel that emphasizes the most that jews killed Jesus is the one he breaks the law the least"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>touched an unclean animal (donkey)\n>Leviticus 11:3\nLeviticus 11:26*\nftfm"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Buddhists: *entire goal is about attaining enlightenment to achieve nirvana to transcend this suffering that is existence.*\n>Christians: AAAAAAAAAAH DEATH SCARES ME I WANT TO LIVE AN ETERNAL LIFE, PRAISE THE JEW SKYMAN!!!!\n\nWow very buddhist indeed."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuddhism isn't western."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>O Amitabha Buddha, allow me to reincarnate in your Western Pure Land so that I may escape samsara"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\ndogs and donkeys are unclean to eat but are not unclean as domestic beasts. we jews love dogs.\nby contrast a pig is useless for domestic use except to eat."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nLeviticus 11:26 states that touching animals that do not have split hooves (like donkeys) or that do not chew the cud (again like donkeys) render one unclean.\n\n>we jews love dogs.\nDue to European influence."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNowhere does Buddha ever teach that \"life is suffering\". He teaches only that nowhere in the cycle of births and deaths can lasting satisfaction be found. \"Dukkha\" fundamentally means dissatisfaction or tension. Only sometimes does it mean raw suffering. In the Heavens, there is still dukkha.\nAnd he never taught that \"attachment is the cause of suffering\". Aversion and craving cause dukkha. Dukkha ceases when aversion and craving cease.\n\nBuddhism is fundamentally unlike Christianity because of the twin doctrines of anatta and anicca, \"non-selfness of all phenomena\" and \"impermanence\". Christianity teaches a permanent God and that there are phenomena that have real self-existence."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> Life is suffering\n\nMissing the point, and just wrong."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nSounds dualist taoist mahayana infused"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\n>born of adultery\n>defiled the temple\ncringe"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Not only christian. He was also a extra-canonical Muslim wiseman. You can't not love him."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, absolutely not.\nThis can only be thought at a surface level knowledge of both religions.\nThere are indeed parallelisms in some attitudes and behaviours towards earthly things, but indeed they are parallel lines that don't ever converge to a point (not even at infinity I add).\nThe core beliefs are so radically different it's actually absurd to pose that they are the same or they are even compatible or mixable."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThere is no such thing as western buddhism, there are practicaly no western buddhists, theres probably more hare krsna than buddhists, but yes, westerners dont understand buddhism and percieve it as a atheist version of christianity with a feel good vibe"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nPracticaly everione has only a 'surface level knowlege of both religions'\nMost westerners that declare themselves buddhist approach it like a way to act christian while being atheist\nFew people in the west understand buddhism or any strain of hinduism to any extent\nProbably not even people in buddhist countries realy know anything much about it"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown\nShut up racist."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Modern western buddhist are actually Christians in disguise but they refuse to admit it.\n>Am I wrong here or there is something to it?\nYou're wrong because Christians are defined by believing in the literal divinity of Jesus Christ and the contents of the Nicene Creed."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Buddhism is only attractive to westerners because they've grown up in a world where they learned the history and theology of things like the Abrahamic and Pagan religions as well as science. So can't believe it with a straight face or see how anyone else could. Religion however is a very comforting thing that people don't want to give up so they see some Buddhists and say \"that looks like it could provide me with some spirituality!\" because they see some of the genuine faith and spirituality of it's practitioners. This betrays their ignorance however, as they shirk away if they interact with genuine Buddhists and learn that Buddhism has actual theology and illogical beliefs in the supernatural and unsubstantiated claims about magic just like every religion."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nNo one asked for your opinion dirty Jewish rat.\n\nBuddhists are intellectually and morally superior to you. Go suck a baby’s cock at a bris."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If God directly communicates with you and tells you that actually the Christards etc are right and X church is correct, why does that violate your free will?\n\nYou still have the choice whether to ignore a direct and obvious communication from God. No free will violated… so why would God deliberately conceal and obfuscate the message behind a clearly syncretic Judaeo-Roman cult that is clearly heavily a product of its time and is full of a bunch of chimps who act foolish and annoying tripfags?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Give me 1 piece of historical evidence that Jesus existed that was produced in 1-33AD, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody would invent a story as retarded as \"my master just got crucified like a bitch\". He was real."}, {"id": 3, "content": "2nd'ing this."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nnot evidence."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nChristcuckery is a slave cult that spreads through victimization, it makes perfect sense actually"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Same but with Socrates."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDude just believe bro. Or you'll burn. Stop asking questions. Believe or burn. It's that simple bro. Just believe stop asking questions."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGive me evidence we evolved from this"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nor Plato,or Alexander the Great or missing link between humans and chimps"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nwhy are you trying to derail the thread instead of providing evidence?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfDF5Ew3Gc [Embed]\n\nEvolution is real."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>>6\n>>8\nLook, just give me 1 piece of evidence from 1-33AD. I thought Jesus was the most famous person in all of Israel, it shouldn't be hard, surely someone wrote about him while he was alive."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>>8\nNo one is claiming you'll burn forever if you don't believe in evolution or Socrates or Alexander. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nExcept if their master went around saying, \"I'm going to die like a bitch and be raised after 3 days.\" but then he died and didn't come back but his followers told everyone he totally did, but he's in heaven now so you can't see him."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Wire $50usd worth of monero into my wallet and I will believe you are heterosexual.\nKnowing my wallet address is also part of the standard."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nJesus never existed"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nThis is the point Christcucks can't wrap their heads around.\nNO ONE gives a fuck if so and so historical figure was made up. It has no impact in our day to day lives whatsoever. That is NOT the case with people shoving Jesus down your throat.\n\n>Oh, but THIS historical jewish preacher from 2000 years ago is different you see ;) your behavior has to be in accordance to what he taught ;) He was God ;)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>master went around saying, \"I'm going to die like a bitch and be raised after 3 days.\"\nVery unlikely. They just made up this supposed prediction."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nHe asked for evidence that a species can evolve into another species, not some coloring."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nI think that whole narrative was completely made up as a way to cope.\n\nHe just caused a ruckus in the temple then got ACKed by the romans like a dog and his followers, thinking he must've been some kind of sacrifice, started spreading made up bullshit about him which was amplified with hearsay and innovations trough word of mouth. Most of the tropes and symbolic images of the ancient world got grafted into his story because of this reason.\n\nThat's how religious people cope with failed expectations. It's a heavily documented phenomenon that when prophecy fails they just retcon whatever they believed before, make some new thing up, and keep the game going. 2 more weeks, trust the plan."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nYou are gay\nWe have both set up arbitrary standards that only serve to support the desired conclusion"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_cycle"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nNot arbitrary. It's called asking for good evidence. You have none. Now dilate."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>None of these documents are believed in the modern day to have been authentically written by Pilate or his contemporaries."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nNot referenced by early Christian sources = fake. Try again"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>None of these documents are believed in the modern day to have been authentically written by Pilate or his contemporaries\n\nits false because people x says so.Hmmm evolution is also false"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Give me 1 piece of historical evidence that Alexander the Great existed that was produced in 356BC-323BC, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priene_Inscription#:~:text=The%20Priene%20Inscription%20is%20a,)%2C%20in%20the%20nineteenth%20century."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nhmmmmm how do you know its from him ?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI will admit I cannot meet your weird standard.\nI can however give you writings from people who lived with him and later wrote accounts of his life (Gospels) and a Jewish Historian who was born in 37AD in the region that Jesus lived and whose father was a Temple Rabbi and attested to Jesus’ existence.\nI know it doesn’t meet your standard of evidence and that’s okay because I consider your standard weird and would destroy most of what we know about history."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you know you know what you know?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>unknown\n60 years after\nMany people would know the basic beliefs of Christians by then."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nI need 1 piece of evidence from 1-33AD, not something from 100 years later. Why can't you do it?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\nNoone worships Alexander as a god or attributes any magic to him or uses his existance to justify some weirdass metaphysical claims.\nThey'd be insane to do that.\nAnd his historicity is way better documented."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>who lived with him and later wrote accounts of his life (Gospels\nIt baffles me how there can be still be people who believe the apostles wrote the gospels."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\n>The Priene Inscription is a dedicatory inscription by Alexander the Great\nDo you have any physical evidence that he wrote it??\nYou are believing in fairy tales and next you will be telling me Hercules was real because he was on coins."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nPlato - 1000 years later so ?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\nΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΑΝΕΘΗΚΕ ΤΟΝ ΝΑΟΝ ΑΘΗΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΙΑΔΙ\n\nTranslation:\n\nKing Alexander dedicated the Temple to Athena Polias\n\n>Part of the inscription records the gift of funds provided by Alexander to build the temple. Another part refers to a resolution of land disputes between different neighbouring kingdoms following the expulsion of the Persians.[3]\n\nYou're fighting a loosing battle already Alexander has more concrete evidence then the \"Savior of the world\""}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nyou want evidence from time most of people coundnt read or write about so called messiah"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nWhat"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nbut how do you know its from him did you saw him ?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nI don't know. I just have more concrete evidence for Alexander then you will ever have for Yashua"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>34\n>Noone worships Alexander as a god\nIf you believe he actually existed he claimed to be the son of a God, so try again redditor.\n>And his historicity is way better documented.\nHe was a fictional figure Richard Carrier told me so, there is zero physical evidence he existed."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>13\nYou’ll burn forever if you don’t believe in Socrates. There, I just claimed it. Now go fuck yourself.\n\nChrist is King."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>I just have more concrete evidence for Alexander\n\nbut how to you know that evidence is real ?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>39\nSo you have no evidence. That's all you had to say."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nI don't. Its just more convincing than any evidence you have for Jeebus. That's how history works."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nBetter hurry up, Richard said he's not going to buck break you after dinner if you don't share his articles to 10 more people"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>28\nWhat's your evidence that this inscription is actually contemporary to Alexander?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\nThe story being unbelievable, is actually a reason to think the story is believable\nwooooow"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>44\nNope. Neither will nobody go to \"hell\" if they don't believe your jew on a stick legend.\n\nSeethe."}, {"id": 52, "content": "Pic of me begging Christians for just 1 piece of evidence."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\n>Its just more convincing\n\nto you"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>44\nHe didn't claim it. Jesus did. Now prove Jewzeus existed"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nPic of me begging atheists for just 1 piece of evidence."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>12\n>I thought Jesus was the most famous person in all of Israel\nno he wasn't a big deal until after he died and his followers spread the gospel. most scholars agree that the gospels contain historical core with layers of exaggeration."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>27\n/thread\nAlso brainlets who insist Cyrus the Great existed."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nshroud of turin"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>37\n>Plato - 1000 years later so ?.\nPlato never claimed to be God in the flesh, perform countless miracles. You make extraordinary claims and yet there is nothing to support the Jesus stories"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>why\nlet me tell you why, I wouldn't believe in a jew raised by a cuck even if he was god. Pro-tip: he isn't."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>55\nDamn, you look like THAT?! YWNBAW, but I'll give you the evidence anyway.\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9323773/"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>56\nalso, as Ehrman points out, Paul is writing what, 20 year after Jesus' death and he knows Jesus'' brother James and disciple Peter. Thats good enough for me."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>42\n>>47\n>NOOOOOOOOOO THE APOSTLES DIDNT WRITE THE GOSPELS BUT ALSO THIS CAVE INSCRIPTION WAS TOTALLY MADE BY MY HECKIN GREEK MARVEL SUPER HERO WHO WAS THE SON OF ZEUS!!!!!!"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>59\n>Plato never claimed to be God in the flesh, perform countless miracles\n\nAnd ? If you are atheist why does it bother you ?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>49\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Athena_Polias_(Priene)\n\n>From the architecture decoration style, the capitals of pillars were constructed in the 4th century BC"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>61\nhow do you know its true ? because science says so ?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>60\n>I would deny truth if I didn’t like the sauce.\nLeast dishonest atheist."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>59\nits not all or nothing anon. nearly all scholars agree he existed and that there is an historical core. that doesn't mean you have to believe in the fantastical elements."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>64\nApparently despite them believing objective morality is a religious delusion they simultaneously believe that claiming to God is objectively evil.\nHow they square the circle in their brain is do not know."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>58\nThe documented history of the shroud dates back to 1354, when it was exhibited in the new collegiate church of Lirey, a village in north-central France.[4]:80–81 The shroud was denounced as a forgery by the bishop of Troyes in 1389."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Give me 1 piece of historical evidence that Jesus existed that was produced in 1-33AD, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe.\nWhy? That's not how the study of history works, do you have any idea of how many historical figures we know of without having any contemporary evidence for them?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\nWhat do you mean by \"it\"? The existence of HERVS?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>63\nWithout Alexander you wouldn't have Christianity. You guys are pretty stupid."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbro do you think acting like this all over the thread makes you look clever?\nbecause it doesn't. you look like an obtuse spastic faggot"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>69\nyou didnt answer my question"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>52\n>>55\nlol"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>62\nActual biological brother? or spiritual brother like how Paul calls all Christians brothers and sisters?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>71\nSigh... EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>70\n>The documented history of the shroud dates back to 1354\n\ndebunked"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n>a guy existed\nHow extraordinary...."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>74\nCry. You will never answer ops question."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't get the \"Jesus is fake\" argument. Did the 12 apostles just come together and make a conspiracy to talk about this guy who isn't real, and then thousands believed them, and then the emperor of Rome converted?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>71\nSo you have no contemporary evidence is what you're saying."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nAnd that it's not needed for historicity."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>63\nNo one is claiming they'll go to hades if they don't bow their knee to alexander or some shit. He was a real person, who went around and did stuff. Same with Jesus. However, none of the legendary elements from their stories are true. They're just exaggerations and flare."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>64\n>And ? If you are atheist why does it bother you ?\nBecause you are not happy keeping your delusions private. You have gruesome elderly virgins preach it to children, you have to promote your sky jew fantasies in politics and so on and so on.\nIf evidence was found tomorrow that Plato or Socrates did not exist, I would not care, we could still read their accounts. But Jesus was no ordinary philosopher or teacher, it was claimed he defied the laws of nature and was God himself in the flesh. Who then took part in a human sacrifice, to redeem us of our sins. Which is primitive middle eastern scapegoating. So you better expect that those claims will be scrutinised and ridiculed"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>79\n>Has to use modern scientific equipment to prove Jeebus existed. 2,000 years later."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>74\nGive me 1 piece of evidence from 1-33AD and I will admit defeat and say you were right in front of everyone."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\n>Because you are not happy keeping your delusions private\n\ndude you are one making this thread not me"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>55\nevolution deniers are trannies?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>82\nNo. It was created by a bunch of Jewish platonists like Paul and sold to the Goyim as revenge for the temple."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>unknown\nWhere's your evidence? I'm not seeing it."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would he existing make you believe in Christianity? Plenty of atheists think he was a real person. People make up stories about real people all the time. Those stories manage to spread even today despite the ability to directly contact people involved, almost instantaneously and ask them.\n>>77\nMost scholars interpret the use of brother here as biological rather than the other way."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nOh, so you can't read now, got it."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>unknown\nTry again."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\nNot having evidence is your evidence?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>82\nWhat about all the other religious cults that have existed throughout history?\nDid they have an element of truth to them too?\nHave you considered that they may have been batshit crazy?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>91\nPaul, who was writing twenty years before the Temple fell."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>94\nTry again"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>90\n>trannies\n\natheist invention btw"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>88\n>I will admit defeat and say you were right in front of everyone.\nbut i am right. i said you're making yourself look like an obtuse spastic faggot and you continue to confirm this\n\nthe funny thing is i'm sure the case for atheism could be made in a somewhat sophisticated manner. what you're doing is legitimately embarrassing"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>95\nShow me contemporary evidence for Socrates.\n>>96\nThe evidence you're requesting is redunant and unecessary in order to establish Jesus' historicity, so now you're just shadowboxing at this point."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>97\n>Did they have an element of truth to them too?\nYou mean like some of their important figures might be based on people who actually lived? Probably some of them."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>73\nCope.\n\n>>75\nWhich one?\n\n>>85\nAlso cope.\nStill no proof for Alexander let alone Cyrus the Great."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>99\nIf you can't give me evidence from 1-33AD, then I'm not going to believe, it's that simple."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>99\n>Happy father with his new three children.\nAs if you'd ever have that for yourself."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>98\nGalatians\n>As with all the Bible, the original of the letter (autograph) is not known to survive. Papyrus 46, the earliest reasonably complete version available to scholars today, dates to approximately AD 200, around 150 years after the original was presumably drafted.[7"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nCurious how historicans don't seems to need such evidence, maybe their methods are better than yours."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>98\n>>107\nPaul wrote in the 50's AD. He never read the Gospels, those were fan fiction created after the Temple fell in 70AD."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">100 posts in\n>Christcucks still have provided no evidence for Jesus between 1-33 CE\nkek"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>104\n>Still no proof for Alexander\nNice try, You ignored this>>65\n\nAlexander is the reason Christianity exists today."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nshroud of turin anon"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nMore shadowboxing."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>107\nThere are other ways to date documents besides having an original copy."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>90\n>atheists inspired christians to cut off their dicks in the middle ages"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>82\n>people wouldn't do that\n>what are the cargo cults"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>109\n>Paul wrote in the 50's AD\nNope."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>109\nThis"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nYou're right, he wrote in the 40's AD."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>108\nI need the evidence or I won't believe."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>113\nYou lost leave the thread or answer ops question."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>109\nI don't really dispute this, except that there was probably some sort of oral tradition that informed and predated Mark."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>119\nTry after the destruction of the temple."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>120\nYou have evidence that 9/11 was Osama's job but do you believe it ?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>120\nAsk historians why they affirm the historicity of Jesus. If you need a brief version, the gospels and epistles possess many accurate details about the time and place at which Jesus lived for them to be considered reliabe enough records for the historicity of Jesus.\n>>123\nOk, prove it."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>120\nBelieve what? That Jesus was a historical person or that he was the son of God. Those are not the same question and the burden of proof isn't the same either."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>102\n>Show me contemporary evidence for Socrates.\nWe don't have it (closest thing to evidence is The Clouds by Aristophanes), which is why there is debate about the historicity or Socrates. You're proving the point."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\nLook, your whataboutism isn't going to convince me of anything. I'm going to need that evidence on my desk by the end of the thread or I'm going Atheist."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>114\n>Jon Jordan notes that an interesting point to be made in the search for the dating of Galatians concerns whether or not it is a response to the Council of Jerusalem or a factor leading up to the Council.\n\nThe only evidence that Galatians was written at the time you claim it to be is that it could be in reference to the Jerusalem council which the only evidence for the Jerusalem council is the book of Acts. It's all conjectured"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>77\nHe singles James out as Jesus' brother. something to the effect of \"I met up with Peter and James, the Brother of the Lord\". Its most likely biological brother."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>111\nNice try, You ignored this>>65 #\nA building is not proof of the historicity of Alexander, nice try but NEXT!"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>127\n>We don't have it\nThen I hope you're ready to throw him in the trash then."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>130\nmeaning if it were a spiritual brother like all Christians, then he would have included Peter in that sentence rather than single out James."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>110\n>100 posts in\n>Alexandercucks and Cyrusshills still have provided no evidence for Alexander or Cyrus.\nPathetic."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\nOP is asking for evidence, not proof."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>128\n>isn't going to convince me of anything\n\nGood so what's point of thread ?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>125\n>Ok, prove it.\nDon't need to it's my belief. Until you prove your side, I'll just accept your dating is purely a belief of yours as well."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nShroud of turin"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>125\n>the gospels and epistles possess many accurate details about the time and place at which Jesus lived\nNo. Historians affirm his historicity because he's attested by multiple different sources outside the bible (which none mention his miraculous powers, at best just his death). There are probably way more accurate details in some Spiderman comic about new york or the united states or even of presidents or historical figures. Does that mean he was a real person? NO"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>129\nA lot of historical work is informed conjecture. That is the nature of the work. References to people or events established in other documents is a mainstay of the work. If you can make enough connections the idea that is was all made up becomes increasingly less probable."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>132\nWhy would I throw him in the trash? I'm just not sure if he really existed. And I'm also quite sure that if he did exist, the real Socrates wasn't quite like the Socrates in Plato or Xenophon.\nIf someone told me that I'll burn forever if I don't believe that Socrates really made Thrasymachus blush in a discussion about justice, I'd tell them to fuck themselves. You wouldn't?"}, {"id": 142, "content": "what is the point of the thread OP?"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>111\n>>65\n>DEEZ PILLARS WERE BUILT AROIND THE SUPPOSED TIME OF THE LIFE OF THE SON OF ZEUS SO HE IS REAL!!!!!!!\nA church was started around the supposed time of the life of the Son of God.\nYou need to stop changing your standard of evidence."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>139\nTo be fair, some details in the stories would be unusual for someone not familiar with the region to know, and since they were written in Greek by people who most likely not lived in the region, that indicates at least that the gospel accounts are not purely the invention of Greek minds but have some narrative link to people who lived in the area."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>140\n>A lot of historical work is informed conjecture. That is the nature of the work.\nI understand this. My informed conjecture based on the numerous projections in the gospels about the temple destruction is that Christianity is the result of the destruction of the temple"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>unknown\n>Did you miss my previous post retard?>>38 #\nDo you have any physical evidence he wrote that??\nOtherwise you may as well say the apostles wrote the gospels"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGospels\n>inb4 \"butthey are not from that time!\"\nWhat is an oral narrative? This is like saying Avesta was entirely made up, for no reason at all, by Sasanian Empire. Anything, including Zoroaster and his teachings, would be made up by Sasanian elites with no reason at all and this would be a literal conspiracy theory instead of historical analysis.\n>this is whataboutism!\nNo, i gave you an information and gave another example for such information."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>145\nNot many historians would dispute that the destruction of the temple was a key event in Christian history."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>142\nReligious shitflinging for the 84778674th time"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>143\nProblem is I have concrete archeological evidence. You have your conjecture.\n\nHail Athena! Blue eyed Goddess!"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>147\n>Anything, including Zoroaster and his teachings, would be made up by Sasanian elites with no reason at all\nBruh, the atheoids in this thread deny Cyrus the Great was a real person."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>unknown\nYou have evidence done by numerous studies\n\n/t."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\n>atheoids in this thread deny Cyrus the Great was a real person."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>137\n>Until you prove your side\nMy side is the academic consensus. It's on you to prove your position.\n>>141\n>Why would I throw him in the trash?\nBecause you do the same with Jesus. Be consistent.\n>If someone told me that I'll burn forever if I don't believe that Socrates really made Thrasymachus blush in a discussion about justice, I'd tell them to fuck themselves. You wouldn't?\nNo? Do you have anger issues or something? If I met someone like that I'd just quietly walk away, probably laugh them off. It' wouldn't affect me as much as it does you."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>146\n>Do you have any physical evidence he wrote that??\nName another king named Alexander during that time who would have made that inscription."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>151\nThose are just Richard Carrier golems who have never read anything besides his blog."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>150\nHeheh concrete, that’s funny.\nAlso you post is dumb see ——-> (>>146)"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>156\n>>151\nThis. The most prominent scholar on the historical Jesus is an atheist."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>155\n>IF YOU CANT PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE TO MY THEORY ABOUT MY MAGICAL KING SENT BY GREEK SKY WIZARD THEN MY THEORY MUST BE TRUE!!!!?\nLogical Fallacy"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>154\nHow am I throwing Jesus in the trash? Be very clear.\nNow how would you feel if these Socrates freaks had a significant say in politics?"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>157\nThis was on the temple. I've already given the translation. Now cry."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\n>How am I throwing Jesus in the trash? Be very clear.\nDenying his historicity.\n>Now how would you feel if these Socrates freaks had a significant say in politics?\nI'd just easily debunk their beliefs."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>160\nIn a way they do. Socrates taught Plato and Christianity is Platonism for the masses. But I hope I wouldn't be so irrational as to subject a historical figure to greater burdens of proof because of political relevance. That's the kind of thing I would expect, well, a Christian to do, only in the opposite direction."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>127\nat least you are consistent, ill give you that. but there isn't a debate about the historicity of socrates that I know of. your bar for proving a figure's historicity seems to be quite high, higher than 99% of academic historians. to each his own. for me, evidence on the level that we have for socrates and jesus is convincing enough."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>156\n>>158\n>Richard carrier\n>scholar\nPick one, the man uses a standard of evidence that denies the existence of most major historical figures.\nAlexander the Great\nCyrus\nMultiple Roman Empeors etc."}, {"id": 166, "content": "Atheists\n>provide proof for Jesus existence\n\nChristcucks\n>ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND CYRUS THE GREAT WERENT REAL PEOPLE\n>ALSO EVOLUTION IS FALSE"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>162\nI never denied the historicity of Jesus. What I'm saying is that we cannot be certain whether he existed and that it's baths it crazy to think that the gospels are accurate historical accounts.\nWhat does it matter if you \"debunk their beliefs\"? That doesn't stop them from believing whatever they believe and acting on it too, lol."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>161\nStill not evidence I have explained in multiple posts why, little Macedonian man should have kept a diary of he was real."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>165\nI wasn't referring to Carrier. I was referring to Erhman"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>65\nYour evidence is the architectural style? I guess that picrel was built during the Greco-Roman period then."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>167\n>I never denied the historicity of Jesus.\nbackpedaling now are we?\n>What I'm saying is that we cannot be certain whether he existed\nHistorians seem to be pretty certain about it.\n>and that it's baths it crazy to think that the gospels are accurate historical accounts.\nThen why do they get so many details right?\n>What does it matter if you \"debunk their beliefs\"? That doesn't stop them from believing whatever they believe and acting on it too, lol.\nIf they believe from irrationality, like you, then there's nothing I can do at that point."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>168\nhttps://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1880-0617-496"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>171\n>backpedaling now are we?\nBackpedaling from what? Quote me directly, chuddy.\n>Historians seem to be pretty certain about it.\nIt's the prevailing opinion that he was a historical figure, sure.\n>Then why do they get so many details right?\nWhy do Plato's dialogues get so many details right about Athens? Do you think they are accurate descriptions of real events?\n>If they believe from irrationality, like you, then there's nothing I can do at that point.\nWhat do I believe from irrationality? Are you saying that you have absolutely no issues with these freaks having a significant say in politics?"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>171\nMost historians do not think the gospels are accurate historical accounts. They are historical sources and they think bits and pieces of them probably reflect actual events, but there is a reason the only two things about Jesus that historians nearly completely agree upon are his baptism and execution."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>169\nOh my bad, I apologise"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>170\n>Here is a silver coin with Alexander’s face on the obverse and his name clearly written on the reverse, minted c. 333 – c. 327 BC in Kilikia while Alexander was still alive:"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>167\n>What I'm saying is that we cannot be certain whether he existed\nwe can't be certain of anything 100%. history is all about probability. what probably happened? most historians who study jesus agree that the probability is strongly in favor of his existence.\n\n>it's baths it crazy to think that the gospels are accurate historical accounts.\nyour problem is binary thinking. again, as an historian, its not about \"accurate\" vs \"inaccurate\". its a spectrum. the gospels are historical sources in that they contain a historical core, embellished and repurposed with fantastical elements, miracles, later theological developments etc...I understand you have it out against Christianity but you can't let that cloud your objectivity."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">Backpedaling from what?\nYour denial of Jesus' historicity.\n>It's the prevailing opinion that he was a historical figure, sure.\nRight, I think I know which one I'm going with.\n>Why do Plato's dialogues get so many details right about Athens? Do you think they are accurate descriptions of real events?\nSure.\n>What do I believe from irrationality?\nThat Jesus didn't exist.\n>Are you saying that you have absolutely no issues with these freaks having a significant say in politics?\n.............they don't exist anon, you remember that......right?"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>176\nHere is a bronze coin from Syracuse with Hercules on it.\nAre you going to claim Hercules was real and visited the Ancient Greek colony of Syracuse."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>177\n>Be literal God\n>Can't manage to leave behind a single piece of evidence\n\nGuess you gotta \"just have faith\" like every other religion on the planet"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>116\nCargo cults replicate something that is real, what would the apostles be replicating? Who was God-made-man? Cargo cults didn't just pull the concept of airplanes out of their asses, they saw them"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>177\nI understand smug autism is blinding your judgement, but I never claimed that the gospels aren't valuable historical sources. Just that taking them at face value is retarded."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>181\nBut we have evidence airplanes exist, in fact we know how to construct them.\nNo such thing for God or his son with magic powers (in reference to the legendary rather than historical accounts of Jesus)"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>179\nNo, because other historical accounts don't back up your hypothetical history."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>unknown\nNo, I'd rather just have the evidence and get it over with, thanks."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>178\n>Your denial of Jesus' historicity.\nQuote where I did that.\n>Right, I think I know which one I'm going with.\nThat's fine, nothing wrong with that. I personally think he most likely was a historical person too.\n>Sure.\nYou're pretty stupid then. If you want to go with expert opinion, you'll find that pretty much nobody thinks the Socratic dialogues are accurate descriptions of real events.\n>That Jesus didn't exist.\nQuote where I said that or stop bearing false witness against me, chud.\n>.............they don't exist anon, you remember that......right?\nAre you saying you're incapable of engaging with hypotheticals? If that's the case, just say so and I'll accommodate your autism."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>184\nAlexander the Great is hypothetical history get over it.\nYour coin claim is as solid as Hercules\nYour temple inscription claim is as solid as apostles writing the scripture claim.\nYour magical king son of Greek sky wizard is a religious delusion.\nGet\nOver\nIt"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>179\n>>170\n>>168\n>>159\n>>146\nAlexander was a real man an we have contemporary historical evidence for him posted itt. I'm sorry you're little diversion didn't work.\n\nHail Owl Eyed Athena!"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>187\nhttps://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clay_tablet._Rev._Alexander%27s_defeat_of_the_last_Achaemenid_King_Darius_III_at_the_battle_of_Gaugamela_on_Oct._1,_331_BCE_and_its_triumphant_entry_into_Babylon._From_Babylon,_Iraq._British_Museum.jpg"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGive me 1 piece of historical evidence that Cyrus existed that was produced in 600BC-530BC, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>190\nEasy\n\nThere are three short, trilingual inscriptions from Cyrus the Great at Pasargadae. They read:\n\n“I am Cyrus the King, and Achaemenian.” (CMa)\n“Cyrus the Great King, son of Cambyses the King, and Achaemenian. He says: When…made..” (Cmb)\n“Cyrus the Great King, an Achaemenian.” (CMc)6\n\n\nHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>190\nThis clay brick is inscribed in Babylonian Cyrus’ name and titles and the statement that he established peace in the land Photo: The British Museum / CC BY-NC-SA 4.0"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>189\nProvide me physical evidence that the tablet was WRITTEN (so not the date of the rock itself) prior to 323BC otherwise it’s on the same level of evidence as the gospels which you reject."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>190\nThe Cyrus Cylinder contains a declaration by Cyrus the Great allowing people captured by the Babylonians to return to their homelands and rebuild the temples to their gods. Photo Credit: Prioryman / Wikimedia Commons / CC BY-SA 3.0"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>191\n>There are three short, trilingual inscriptions from Cyrus the Great\nSauce?\nJesus is quoted in the scripture but you would reject that as proof he said that.\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>192\n>This clay brick is inscribed in Babylonian Cyrus’ name and titles and the statement that he established peace in the land\nLmao literally not evidence, if it said “Jesus, son of God, the christ, whose apostles came to this land” you would reject it.\nNEXT!"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>193\nSo you're claiming that some random guy carved out in very nice letters \"I am Cyrus the king\" for no reason at all in the middle of a Persian City and no one erased it?"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>195\nA stone carving in the middle of a city is a big difference between someone scribbling something down on paper."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>194\n>The Cyrus Cylinder contains a declaration by Cyrus the Great\nDated when and Provide my physical proof that was written by Cyrus, otherwise it could be a forgery by the Persian government to back up the supposed existence of their mythical king"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>196\n>if it said “Jesus, son of God, the christ, whose apostles came to this land\nEXCEPT YOU HAVE NO SUCH THING! ALL YOU HAVE IS A BUNCH OF ROTTING PAPERS DATED A HUNDRED YEARS AFTER! HAHAHHHAAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>197\nlmao\nChrist huss eternally btfo"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>199\nWithout Cyrus the Great your whole biblical narrative falls to pieces I'm sorry"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThanks op for making a fool out of Christcucks yet again."}, {"id": 204, "content": "Christcucks eternally btfo"}, {"id": 205, "content": "How would modern Christians react if they could go back in time and see the historical Jesus face to face?\nReligious ecstasy? Theophany? Massive disappointment? Denial? Suicide?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>205\nThey'd see nothing but a bunch of scheming rabbis reading plato and Euripides to see how they can put in a Jewish character into a pagan mind."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNotice how all the christcuks are quite."}, {"id": 208, "content": "B"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>194\n>le Cyrus cylinder\n>signed by Cyrus 9 yrs after his supposed death\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA\nThe uttter state of atheoids in this thread\n>>197\n>>198\n>>199\n>>200\nAll on suicide watch and forced to use fabricated evidence."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>209\nYou're just making stuff up now. Try better bud"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>210\nBut do you have any physical evidence to disprove it?"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>211\nYeah. It's not signed by him."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGive me 1 piece of historical evidence that Julius Caesar existed that was produced in 100-44BC, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>9\nThere are several lives of Plato from antiquity. The most notable is by Diogenes Laertius."}, {"id": 215, "content": "Give me 1 piece of historical evidence that Anon existed that was produced in 2023 AD, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>213\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/roman-wooden-spikes-barbed-wire-julius-caesar-180981727/"}, {"id": 217, "content": ">Cyrus didnt exist!\n>Plato didnt exist!\n>Alexander didnt exist!\n>Julius Caesar didnt exist!\n\nthats nice, christcucks. Now how about that evidence for Jesus?"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>give me a single handwritten document by Diogenes signed by him and two witnesses along with his dna samples and i will believe he existed"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>213\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentarii_de_Bello_Gallico\n> It had been definitely published by 46 BC, when Cicero reviewed it and gave it great praise.[15] It is unclear whether the books were released individually, or all at once. Nipperdey's 1847 account believed that they had been mostly all composed at once in 50 BC."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>217\nLol all the people the christ cucks have brought up have been proven using contemporary evidence. None for jeezoos so far"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>218\nDiogenes was a nobody compared to how well known jeezoos was supposed to be."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>214\n>Diogenes Laertius\nseveral centuries after Plato suposedly lived"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGuess Plato or Caesar aren't real either! Retard"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>221\nSorry anon, i guess only a handful of people existed on the entire Earth until recently and Africa was entirely empty until colonists poofed them into existence."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>224\nby them i mean niggers"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>224\nCool. Jesus never existed."}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>225\natheists are nigger tier IQ don't bother replying to them\nPoint proven: >>226"}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>227\nYou claim Jesus was EXTRAORDINARY. He was GOD. Might want a little bit more evidence than your average Joe right? Dummy"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>228\nWe are discussing his existence not divinity yet again atheists prove to be incapable of discussion that requires more than two brain cells. I shall cast no more pearls before swine."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>229\nWouldn't you expect some Divine being to cause quite a stir? I mean everybody would be talking about him right?"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>180\nfaggot i have no faith, jesus 99% certain he existed same probability as socrates and many other figures of antiquity."}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>unknown\nThe book written a decade after caesar, the wooden spikes and coins are just speculation. Where is my definitive proof!!! You would think such an importany ruler would have actual evidence of him. Guess he's not real :^)"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>232\n>The book written a decade after caesar\nNo it wasn't\n\n>wooden spikes and coins are just speculation\nThat's history"}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>233\nI thought it was obvious I was mocking the ridiculousness of denying that Jesus (a jewish man) existed based on silly parameters not applied to other figures."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>226\nLet me get this straight, you believe:\n>evolution isn't real\n>several world famous historical figures are figments of the imagination (no original documents)\n>niggers were invented in the 19th century\n>the american continent didn't exist until 1492\n>your dad disappears when he covers his face with his hands\n>your pacifier also phases out of existence when out of sight\nAccording to your standards of evidence."}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>235\n>>your dad disappears when he covers his face with his hands\nkek"}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat could be applied to the vast majority of people who ever lived."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>235\nNope. I just require a higher level of evidence for anyone claiming their God/Gods son came to earth and is going to burn everyone eternally for not believe he came to earth."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>219\n>implying"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>239\nIt's called evidence. Some evidence is more convincing than others, sadly you haven't provided any convincing evidence in the parameters that op provided."}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>unknown\n>see your own post i was replying to\nchristcucks, everyone."}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>unknown\nOf course that's how history works. No one has objective proof of anyone in the past because only the present is objective. The past can only be understood by deduction."}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>unknown\nquoting the same post again isnt a spelling typo. thats a retard mistake."}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGuess Sparta had no kings until Agesilaus II"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>unknown\nFor example I can't prove objectively that the foot prints I just made are mine. However I can deduce through past experiences that everytime I walk in the sand a footprint appears behind me I see no other people making footprints in the exact same spot my foot just left so through deductive reasoning I can assume that those were my footprints and I was there in the past."}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>202\nAnd the whole historical narrative falls apart.\nAre you willing to destroy that just to spite Christians, do we live that rent free in your head?"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>244\nThis is correct.\nZero physical evidence for\nRoman Emperor Silbannacus\nArchimedes\nGenghis Khan\nKing of Leonidas of Sparta\nThe battle of Stalingrad\nRoman Emperor Sponsianus\nZarathustra, Prophet of Ahura Mazda\nAttila the Hun\nThe Hephthalite Empire (it was just a bunch of Tocharian/Sogdian city states)\nDido, Founder and First Queen of Carthago\n\nThanks Atheism"}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>243\nsplitting hairs\n>>245\nUnless you have a witness and/or video evidence with timestamp you didn't make those footprints you just made."}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>246\nIt's not a matter of heaven or hell whether I believe he existed or not I just see mounds of contemporary archeological evidence for him so I choose to believe that he existed in the past the same cannot be said about Jesus despite the unearthly claims that Christians make about him."}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho cares if you don't believe, you faggot? Seethe and continue to revel in you small-minded faggotry. Nobody cares."}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>248\n>Unless you have a witness and/or video evidence with timestamp you didn't make those footprints you just made\nI cant know for sure of course but I'm 99% sure they are mine based on my memory and past experiences."}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>248\n>A typographical error (commonly abbreviated as a typo) was a spelling mistake when typing printed (or electronic) text.\nyou have autism, im afraid."}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>247\n>>248\nBasically as Christians you don't trust your 5 senses which is hypocritical because that's how you read the bible and listen to your pastor/priest. It's a form of mental illness and ignorance."}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>249\n>I just see mounds of contemporary archeological evidence for him so I choose to believe that he existed in the past the same cannot be said about Jesus…….\nHistorians seem to disagree with you.\nThose only people I see claiming Jesus didn’t exist are generally the people who don’t want him to exist.\n>despite the unearthly claims that Christians make about him.\nanon I, people made a ton of unearthly claims about Alexander."}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>251\nThat literally doesn't matter though, only hard physical evidence matters to OP\n>>252\n>a single digit difference is not a typo\nYou have brainrot, good riddance"}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>255\n>>a single digit difference\nthats not what you did."}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>256\nSPOT TEH DIFFERENCE!!!\n>>238\nvs\n>>237\n99.9% OF PEOPLE WILL NOT SOLVE THIS!"}, {"id": 258, "content": ">>253\n> Basically as Christians you don't trust your 5 senses\nNo we do, you are just the people setting weird standards in a desperate attempt to deny the existence of Christ.\nAnd then you get ass blasted when we point out the logical conclusions of that."}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>257\n>types in all caps like an autistic retard\nchristcucks, everyone."}, {"id": 260, "content": ">>190\n>>1 (OP)\n>Give me 1 piece of historical evidence that Genghis Khan existed that was produced in 1162-1227AD, a writing, a drawing, a census record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe.\nUhhhhh atheoid sisters, did we get too cocky?"}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>259\nClutch those pearls harder faggot"}, {"id": 262, "content": "John 20:29"}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>258\nIt's not weird standards. The same standards have already been applied to Alexander the Great and Cyrus and have been fulfilled."}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>2\nCope and seethe, cuck."}, {"id": 265, "content": ">>unknown\n>See my blatant omission that I have a double standard.\nUmmmmm okay."}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>265\nI do. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If Joe blow came up to me and said if I didn't praise him as God I'd burn in for hell forever, I'd require quite a bit of proof before I just went ahead and believed him, more than if someone came up to me and told me that Taco Bell is starting a new burrito line."}, {"id": 267, "content": "OP here\n\nI'm still waiting for just 1 piece of evidence and I will convert."}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall of his friends existed and traveled the world to spread his message for 0 (zero) compensation. many of them proudly died for him. does that sound like something you would do for an imaginary friend?"}, {"id": 269, "content": ">>268\nYeah Muslims did that too, plenty of heretics as well and Jews and Buddhists. Not a good argument"}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>268\nIt sounds like something you would do for money\nSomething Paul constantly denies that he definitively does not, which I think is good evidence that people at the time were accusing him of doing exactly that"}, {"id": 271, "content": ">>268\nPeople fuck around and finds out all the time, retard."}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a death certificate\nthis retard thinks Jesus died!!! lol"}, {"id": 273, "content": ">>238\nYou think the Romans cared about some random nobody living in Judea in order to record his death in any detail? As far as the people back then were concerned, he was some random criminal in a rebellious backwater province."}, {"id": 274, "content": ">>269\n>Yeah Muslims did that too, plenty of heretics as well and Jews and Buddhists. Not a good argument\nYes it is lmao, muhammad undoubtedly existed"}, {"id": 275, "content": "If Jesus wasn't God, then his disciples would have recanted and be allowed to live by the Romans"}, {"id": 276, "content": "Remember me from yesterday ? Why did you ignore all of my shroud of turin post ?"}, {"id": 277, "content": ">>272\nit's true, I saw him with my own eyes while i was praying on the holy cuckerino real hard, he flew into the skies while saying \"I swear my father joseph wasn't cuckded, I swear guise\", such spiritual"}, {"id": 278, "content": ">>274\nThere is no evidence Muhammad existed. Even the writings in the Quran are not his but what someone else says he said"}, {"id": 279, "content": ">>269\n>Muslims did that too,\nlol\n>join us or die\n>also you gotta pay money if you don't convert, if we decide not to kill you"}, {"id": 280, "content": ">>266\n>Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence\nThe evidence is the bible, you just choose to ignore it"}, {"id": 281, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngive me 1 piece of historical evidence that your grand grand grand grand father existed that was produced in his lifetime"}, {"id": 282, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBelieve what? The he existed as a historical person? Only cranks buy into the Jesus Myth thing. It's the \"Son of God\" part that people rightly disbelieve.\n\n>>2\nYeah, as a religious/political dissident who got nailed to some wood, died and his remains were likely dumped in a garbage pile like the Romans tended to do to any common person who really pissed them off, or in this case pissed off the locals enough that they had to step in."}, {"id": 283, "content": ">>281\nMe. I'm the evidence."}, {"id": 284, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus is metaphor retard"}, {"id": 285, "content": ">>280\nThe bible is just a collection millennia old hear-say and bullshit."}, {"id": 286, "content": ">>285\nIt's the word of God.\nThat's why it has accurate prophecies about our time. Matthew 24 describes the last days for example."}, {"id": 287, "content": ">>266\nSo is your augment that if an historical figure,\n1. does not have evidence of their existence within their lifetime\n2. Is claimed to be a deity/ son of a deity/ related to a deity\nthey must not exist?"}, {"id": 288, "content": ">>286\n>>word of god\nlol\n\n>>accurate prophecies\nlmao"}, {"id": 289, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Give me 1 piece of historical evidence that Jesus existed that was produced in 1-33AD\nThere are none. But that does not mean Jesus was not a real person."}, {"id": 290, "content": ">>289\nhe knows there are none, which is why he started the thread. for some reason he enjoys spending his time being an obnoxious faggot on 4chan"}, {"id": 291, "content": "i will cite this thread at next year's bildeberg meeting as to why everyone involved in humanities should be lined up and shot"}, {"id": 292, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt'd be easier to just exaggerate the doings of what was supposed to be a contemporary figure then just make him up out of thin air. You're asking the wrong questions, you should be asking for proof of Jesus' miracles."}, {"id": 293, "content": ">>283\nYou just assume youre the evidence, you dont know it"}, {"id": 294, "content": ">>293\nhow could I possibly exist without a grandfather?\nvirgin birth?"}, {"id": 295, "content": ">>37\nPlato has works which survive on papyrus fragments."}, {"id": 296, "content": ">>187\nboomer facebook meme"}, {"id": 297, "content": ">>289\n>you have to believe cause... you just have to ok?"}, {"id": 298, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP here.\n\nDay 2.\n\nNot a single piece of evidence posted. Holy shit Christcucks are fucking pathetic."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "let me guess, you \"need\" more?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeed Jesus"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Where is part 2"}, {"id": 4, "content": "No, I've seen enough."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSmells brown"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApparently Muslims did. That's why they had to use Aristotle to prove their God existed. Which it didn't."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPiss be upon Him Muhammad the God of the Bedouins"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's interesting how this book describes the fetus growth stages in detail 1400 years ago, does the bible or the torah have similar stuff ? I haven't read too much of the Abrahamic religions books"}, {"id": 9, "content": "It is actually really insightful if you get the gist of it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\njohn yahya muhammad baptist and his cousin jesus isa ali christ wrote the new testament (part 1) and the qur'an (part 2), the last testament."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Who could ever need more than a book that tells you to use external resources to understand it?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow does noone understand the joke holy shit"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>shizo dark age ramblings writen by the antichrist\nNo-one with a soul needs it, only sheep shagging hairy devils worship some warmonger pedo"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>shizo"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nThis is only applicable to the Gulf States, which everyone in the Arab world fucking hates anyways.\nIn other news, jump in front of a car"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\n9:97 The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger: But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, i \"need\" something else entirely"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nLike what?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were homo sapiens the only species capable of civilization? Why was there no neanderthal or erectus civilization? What do we even know about their way of living?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOther hominids are so fucking old that they very well might have had some kind of civilization. Any trace of ours would be gone in about 20k years. Maybe they didn't have industrial level tech but if they were making wooden buildings with iron tools we'd never find out about it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurely socioeconomic factors."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThey (Neanderthals) had burial rituals and likely had some form of religion at least. I don’t know about any kinds of philosophy more complex than that."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey probably didn't, I'm just saying for sake of argument that it's technically possible for something to have existed, sufficiently primitive and small that is"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is some evidence that Neanderthals were lazier than us. They tended to make tools out of whatever stone was available while there is evidence humans would travel to hard to reach areas in order to collect the best possible stone."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the good guys win the Cold War?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Right: for the people, to the people\nLeft: every man for himself"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn terms of raw number of innocents killed, no.\nThe stronger guys with less burdens won."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, communism is an evil, corrupt and dysgenic ideology.\n>>3\nCommunism is directly responsible for more deaths and destruction"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>dysgenic\nHow?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBy not importing enough diversity."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThe very fact that it rotted from the inside out, the entire Soviet Empire was a giant rusted Potemkin village. You can cope all you want with “I-it was subverted by the neoliberal CIA Nazi glowniggers!” All you want, but the reality is that the Soviets were doing the same shit to the west in a much more aggressive manner. In Germany for example the East Germans were actively supporting communist terrorist groups and even Günter Guillaume, Secretary to West Germanys Willie Brandt, was a Stasi spy.\n\nJust look at the average commie today, what are they even animated by?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nMeme point, Soviets in fact did do ethnic replacement of entire countries, especially in the baltics and Kazakhstan, which they now consider a form of genocide.\n\nAlso, communism is all about the “global south” rising up and crushing the oppressive white man."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, next?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nCringe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">In 1815 a farmer from the eastern border of the Cape Colony, Frederik Bezuidenhout, was summoned to appear before a magistrate’s court after repeated allegations of mistreating one of his Khoi labourers. Bezuidenhout resisted arrest and fled to a cave near his home, where he defended himself against the Coloured soldiers sent to capture him. When he refused to surrender, he was shot dead by one of the soldiers.\n\n>One of Bezuidenhout’s brothers, Hans, swore revenge. Historians believe that the fact that Bezuidenhout was killed by a Coloured was the reason behind the fury of Hans and that of many others’. Together with a neighbour Hendrik Prinsloo, Hans Bezuidenhout organised an uprising against the British colonial power, who was believed to be hostile towards the Boers and to favour Blacks and Coloureds above the Afrikaner farmers. On 18 November a commando of rebels met an armed force from Landdrost (magistrate) Jacob Cuyler, the military commander on the eastern borders, at Slachter’s Nek. Negotiations failed, and the majority of the rebels left without any shots being fired. Twenty rebels surrendered, followed by several more over the following few days. However, some of the leaders, among whom was Hans Bezuidenhout, refused to turn themselves over to the authorities. On 29 November they were attacked by colonial troops. Everybody but Bezuidenhout and his family surrendered, and like his brother, Hans died while resisting arrest.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20051216084656/http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/chronology/thisday/slachters-nek-rebellion.htm"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTwas a silly time."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">British authorities: \"can you treat the nignogs slightly less insanely?\"\n>Boers chimp out"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can the conundrum be undrumconed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">bro just fuck up your culture\n>just fucking cripple your ability to produce cultural artifacts, probably forever\n>turn every creative industry into an utterly soulless assembly line of propaganda that gradually becomes more and more stilted and robbed of human feeling as everybody who knew how to genuinely tell a story is eventually executed or silenced\n>nothing bad will happen"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nmodel operas >>>>>>> trad bores"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Members of Unit 731 were not immune from being subjects of experiments. Yoshio Tamura, an assistant in the Special Team, recalled that Yoshio Sudō, an employee of the first division at Unit 731, became infected with bubonic plague as a result of the production of plague bacteria. The Special Team was then ordered to vivisect Sudō. Tamura recalled:\n\n>Sudō had, a few days previously, been interested in talking about women, but now he was thin as a rake, with many purple spots over his body. A large area of scratches on his chest were bleeding. He painfully cried and breathed with difficulty. I sanitised his whole body with disinfectant. Whenever he moved, a rope around his neck tightened. After Sudō's body was carefully checked [by the surgeon], I handed a scalpel to [the surgeon] who, reversely gripping the scalpel, touched Sudō's stomach skin and sliced downward. Sudō shouted \"brute!\" and died with this last word."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrutal"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are people so evil? It feels bad to be evil, and pointless evil like this is clearly bad for you. I can tell you no one is going to want to work on bubonic plague samples every again lol. Talk about a hostile workplace culture."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Japs before the end of the war were absolutely fucked up\n\n>For the few Japanese soldiers who were taken prisoner, captivity was viewed in radically different terms than in Western armies. In August 1944, Army G-2 was apprised of an incident in Australia that dramatically pointed out this vast perceptual gulf. The incident occurred in the early hours of August 5, at a large POW camp that had been constructed for Japanese prisoners in the parched countryside of New South Wales, near the town of Cowra. That morning more than 900 Japanese prisoners charged the barbed-wire perimeter clutching baseball bats, crude clubs, and cutlery knives. Issuing banzai battle cries, they attacked the camp gun emplacements in what was later determined to be a mass suicide attempt. In this incident 234 Japanese died and 108 were wounded. At least 31 prisoners killed themselves outright -- either by hanging or by other means -- and twelve were burned to death in huts set afire by their own comrades. \"I could not kill myself and had been waiting for some force to kill me,\" said one participant who survived the ordeal. Said another: \"The shame of being a Japanese prisoner of war was beyond endurance.... The time to die, which had been our desire since the day of our capture, had arrived.\"\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20211003225411/http://mansell.com/pow_resources/camplists/fukuoka/fuk_01_fukuoka/fukuoka_01/Page05.htm"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>3\n>>2\n>>1 (OP)\nSounds fake."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">another day in Asia\ndid they eat him afterwards?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nnah, but if he'd turned into a werewolf, then I dunno . . ."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nJaps were always and are still fucked up."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nMental illness"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Odin and the gods of Norse mythology actually \"love\" humanity?\nOr are neopagans who think so just cluelessly projecting their own internalized Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "All of Odin's actions seem to be favorable towards humanity, or at least part of it, so yes."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts modern cuckshit, like /pol/cucks claiming nazis actually loved niggers and jews"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou sound like you have brain rot. Maybe take a break?\n>[y]/[n]"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAll of the Gods actions period are favorable to humanity, or at least Europeans, as a group. At an individual level they're pretty clearly not afraid to commit grievous violence against offenders, and they also very clearly play favorites (Based on morality, breeding, etc).\n\nSo, no, Odin being the \"father of all\" doesn't mean that you can get away with committing crimes or whatever."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey seemed to love nature over humans overall"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">carpenter\n>dies from being nailed to a piece of wood\nWas this intentional?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Who writes this shit"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion thread #7,914,802 is off to a good start, glad you spend time on this anon."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy can’t atheists be confident in their own beliefs without having to make these lonely bait threads on anonymous image boards"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKino symbolism.\nSay what you want about belief or the shitflinging in this board, but this story is kino."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Was he actually a carpenter though? I dont remember it saying that in the bible"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably, since the story of Jesus was made up by a bunch of schizophrenic rabbis."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt actually is. God said sin causes death. Invent nuclear bombs well now you have to live with the fact that this is how your future children could die."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\n>>7\nHe probably wasn't a carpenter, that's a misinterpretation of a word that can be understood in many ways. He was likely a stonemason."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo the Koreans were right all along?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nAlso gives extra purpose to the 'Stone the builders rejected' quote from Psalms by Jesus"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was the one building the crosses for rome"}, {"id": 14, "content": "I know this is an instance where someone could erroneously call \"ironic.\" But, what is it really? Poetic justice? Just plain poetry?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nHe's literally Lucifer, which when the Greeks wrote the OT they had no intention of him being a major character. When the Romans wrote the NT they gave him a redemption arc. Hence, Lucifer says he wants to ascend to the sides of the north to become like the most high, but when Jesus is taken to the mountain to ascend over all creation by Satan he rejects him. Therefore Lucifer gets his redemption arc."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the British have such a hard time against the US navy during the War of 1812? Weren't they the greatest naval power in the world by this point?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I love these things."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't, America got blockaded pretty thoroughly. Only time Brits got btfo was during honourable 1v1 ship duels, Americans won a good % of those so Brits put out orders that only their top-tier ships were allowed to engage in duels."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThose are called smarties. Anything else is heresy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain had the best blue-water fleet in the world which they used to great effect in blockading and launching invasions of the American seaboard. However supremacy on the open ocean doesn’t always translate to supremacy in inland waterways where the two sides were far more evenly matched."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only time they had trouble was when their regular sized frigates were one on one with the American monsters. See pic. They were also pretty much stretched to limit with the Napoleon problem. Even then, the American strategy of attempting to disrupt British commerce was a complete failure.\nOnce the Royal Navy was actually able to re-orientate its power to fight the Americans properly they got creamed. The American navy was either taken or bottled up in port by the end of the war, their maritime trade was shut down and the coastal cities were under constant threat of seaborne raid."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica only really saw success on the great lakes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nPlease tell me this is bait and ships didn't really have 1v1 duels."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nDuels as in by arrangement, no. Although Broke did send a challenge to the USS Chesapeake inviting them to come out and fight one on one, but they didn't receive it before they sailed out (and got fucked up like bitches).\nWhat other anon is talking about is independently sailing frigates happening to meet up and fight it out."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain was also fighting like 4 other major world powers at the time it wasn't like \"all our navy vs all of yours\" type is scenario"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was this thing called the Napoleonic Wars occurring."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">propaganda full of virile blond men\n>aryan ideal is blue eyes, fair hair\n>legislation passed for eugenics to create more of this phenotype\nAnd yet, these were the leaders of the NSDAP in the early 1930s. Were the Germans to be blond like Hitler, handsome like Goebbels, fit like Goring?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoliticians are ugly."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's almost like they could see past their egos in order to improve humanity."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni like how himmler is the only one not looking at the camera"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow look up their children anon."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nthis"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nThey already believed themselves to be the master race, and the ego has nothing to do with appearance"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAppearance has everything to do with ego and Europeans led the world into an age of prosperity, industry, and civilization.\n\nLook at the amount of cannibalism outside of Europe pre-colonialism. It's near ubiquitous."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only real ugly ones are Goebbels and Himmler desu, and most brown haired germans still have the recessive genes for blond hair so their eugenics could have just been forcing brown haired men to mate with blond women."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nWould you criticize a fat person for promoting fitness?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo, he's doing the right thing either way. But retarded comparison nonetheless since you can't change you features but you can become fit"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>you can't change you features but you can become fit\nYou can have fewer or no kids, or you can promote people who have more desireable genes. I mean this is basically what leftists do when they not-so-subtly tell white people not to breed."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYou can change the features of future generations. It's literally called racial hygiene and they had made the analogy before the turn of the 20th century."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be Himmler\n>look like a molerat\n>call stalin subhuman\nI don’t get it"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>>be Himmler\n>athletic chad\n\n>be cucklin\n>pockfaced manlet who gives himself medals to cope with his cowardness during the world wars"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHotter take"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nIdk man looks pretty Aryan to me. Perhaps even Hyperborean."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nLiterally Mario"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nname any national socialist document that claimed they already were the master race. i'll wait."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone of what you wrote is true. Stop watching Indiana Jones and imagining it as real history."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>NEET\n>clubfoot\n>fatty\n>chinlet\n>homo\nthe \"master race\" everyone"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do theists always talk to you as if not believing in (their) religion means you believe in evolution, or the big bang?\nCan they not comprehend LACK of belief as a concept? Can they only fathom substitutional belief?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If you truly lacked belief you would be an agnostic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nExactly, an agnostic atheist. Thats like 98% of atheists."}, {"id": 4, "content": "generally that's what the loud people oppose them with\nsame as why those atheists generally assume that all religious people are some form of Christian"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf not then what are you? Some Lysenkoist or something? In the west today, it’s mostly evolution vs evangelical Neanderthals."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are ecumenical councils holy and binding?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "How do you determine what is an ecumenical council?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWidespread sign-on"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBut using that metric it would include many \"false councils\" which were rejected by later councils"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>the ultimate authority and the ability to discern the truth in faith is vested in the Church which is indeed a “Divine institution,” in the proper and strict sense of the word, whereas no Council, and no “Conciliar institution,” is de jure Divino, except in so far as it happens to be a true image or manifestation of the Church herself. We may seem to be involved here in a vicious circle. We may be actually involved in it, if we insist on formal guarantees in doctrinal matters. But, obviously, such “guarantees” do not exist and cannot be produced, especially in advance. Certain “Councils” were actually failures, no more than conciliabula, and did err. And for that reason they were subsequently disavowed. The story of the Councils in the fourth century is, in this respect, very instructive.9 The claims of the Councils were accepted or rejected in the Church not on formal or “canonical” ground. And the verdict of the Church has been highly selective. The Council is not above the Church; this was the attitude of the Ancient Church. The Council is precisely a “representation.” This explains why the Ancient Church never appealed to “Conciliar authority” in general or in abstracto, but always to particular Councils, or rather to their “faith” and witness\nThe Authority of the Ancient Councils and the Tradition of the Fathers*\nChapter VI of The Collected Works of Georges Florovsky"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBump"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nBy that measure the 7th ecumenical council would be illegitimate as the only Western participant was the Pope and all other ones were excluded. Ending with the Franks condemning it as heretical."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Space travel is Hitler's legacy"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn a thousand years there is going to be some kid doing his book report on Hitler the first astronaut and he is going to stumble upon accusations being leveled on him that he perpetrated a genocide."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is Oppenheimer hate a modern development? It seems public opinion swung against him very recently."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">confusing /tv/ memeshittery with \"public opinion\"\nngmi"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOppenheimer is getting torn apart on Reddit and Twitter too."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe has always been controversial"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnti-nuclear hysteria has gone on for long enough and increasingly evidence has come out that various scientists deliberately misled the public about the full effects of nuclear war - for the public's 'own good'. Now, I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where nukes were thrown around on a regular basis, but at the same time claims like \"nuclear winter\" and the overdramatization of how many were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki compared to those killed by incendiary bombs led to decades of anti-nuclear sentiment that has directly halted progress in the peaceful use of nuclear technology."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhttps://www.alternatehistory.com/wiki/doku.php?id=timelines:for_all_time\nThere's no nuclear-winter in this timeline. Just no nuclear taboo. So people get inured to cities randomly getting nuked after some small-scale conflict.\nGradually nations turn to authoritarians because they want the madness to end, but the authoritarians are the most mad.\n\nI agree that Carl Sagan was a liar, and the doomsayers before him - like Nevil Shute - also lied. But \"For All Time\", I think, explored nuclear-proliferation and political insanity with more internal honesty."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nNot using nuclear power because of nuclear weapons is retarded, it's like not using electricity because electrocution exists. But you're retarded if you don't believe nuclear weapons would end civilization. Less so the weapons themselves, more the fact that the entire Earth would become a ball of cancerous particles due to fallout. There's a reason you're not allowed to live around Chernobyl or Fukushima."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZoomer contrarianism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop posting this."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nstop posting that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngofundme com/f/mishkan-being-crushed-by-heel-stone-in-wiltshire\nit's a go. wiltshire and swindon coroner ridley said, it's a go."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAll will for ever Remember the Alamo."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Movie theaters isn’t history and humanities. Umm jannies?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAh yes the very first Taco Bell."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nno tamales"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Adopt Judaism for some reason\n>Adopt Christianity fairly early for some reason\nWhy? And what were the common beliefs of Ethiopia before Judaism and Christianity became prominent there?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nare ethiopian jews jewish by lineage ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI don’t know."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthe jewish ones could be"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIdk but the jewish areas of Ethiopia are called “Beta Israel” and according to local legend are descendants of one of the 12 tribes. Additionally Ethiopian kings/emperors claimed to be descended matrilineally from King Solomon"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEthiopians were not black originally, see kingdom of aksum. Meaning that they were pagan and swarthy and christinainty was put on them by force."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which of them do you choose?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fascist one for the silly mustache."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndali was the GOAT, gurneca is for twink faggots"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Can you believe Dalí has no street or square named after him in the city of Barcelona proper? The closest thing is some shitty no-name roundabout in a nearby commuter town."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth were shit."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nI have a hard time picturing how Dali could be a fascist. I mean, surrealist art seems completely inconsistent with fascist values.\n\nIf he was a fascist, it could only have been in the most vague sense of the word, like how the \"clown world\" /pol/ posters are fascist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou know, Hitler was a big fan of Bambi and other Disney films, which seems inconsistent with fascist values, so i don't think Hitler was a fascist either."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nArt, specially the one made in the interwar period, had no values. The whole point of abstract art was to experiment and what they discovered is the fundamentals of modern day cartoons and non-realistic art. Fascism, specially spanish fascism, was not about order. It was about religion, passion, and patriotism. Artistically it may more accurately be compared to primitivism in how it appealed to the rural spaniard"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>If he was a fascist, it could only have been in the most vague sense of the word, like how the \"clown world\" /pol/ posters are fascist.\nDali was literally just being an edgelord and doubled down because the art commies tried to cancel him."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nIs futurism also inconsistent with fascism to you? Do you think fascism is when Roman statues and cathedrals?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nit's almost as if you can separate the art from it's artist\n\nwe're not all hackneyed idiotlogues who need to hamfist our believies into everything we create"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nGood expectations are the source of all disappointment."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>we're not all hackneyed idiotlogues who need to hamfist our believies into everything we create\nLeftists are. Why do you think they love laughing at right-wingers for \"misinterpreting\" media that was created by people who are left-leaning?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Fascist Painter\nHe was more of a contrarian than a Fascist. Everyone overlooks that anyway, which is why his art is allowed to hang in galleries worldwide."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth were degenerate artists."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>surrealist art seems completely inconsistent with fascist values\nhalf the modernists were fascists. Knut Hamsun, Ezra Pound, H.D, Wyndham Lewis, etc."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVaguely probably fascist sculptors."}, {"id": 18, "content": "the truly great fascist painters were the futurists"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>He was more of a contrarian than a Fascist.\nThis describe well most fascist and nazis online today"}, {"id": 20, "content": "They're both overrated but dali is better"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Cubism is a fun novelty, but it's too limited ti be anything great. Duchamp and the futurists completely tore it to shreds."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDali did better movies so Dali all the way"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth are garbage"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is being sad about your countrymen being bombed a communist thing"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nDali on the right"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\nDali was a devout Catholic and supported Francisco Franco. It's probably an exaggeration to say that he was an ideological fascist, though, since even Franco himself wasn't truly one."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\nWhat was degenerate about Dali?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>6\nUhh...anon...have you heard about this thing called \"italian futurism\"? And the pre-1945 political views of like 80% of the people involved in it?\n\nOnly ignorant and bigoted shitlibs think that people who aren't shitlibs are people who want everything to be frozen forever like some sort of shitlib caricature of non-shitlibs. Maybe consider for a moment that they simply didn't like what you were offering and imagined a different modernity."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>have you heard about this thing called \"italian futurism\"?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPolitics aside Picasso is clearly the superior artist. Like it or not he is THE painter of the 20th century."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is there a narrative of the Qing being foreign to China when it wasn't even the first Jurchen/Manchu dynasty? In fact by the time they changed their name from Jurchen to Manchu and established the Qing, they had already been even more sinicized. Is it just Xinhai propaganda persisting a century later?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHancels butthurt over the eternal Tungusic BVLL"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause said narrative was by Han Chinese Anti-Monarchic Nationalists who conveniently ignored how the Manchus arent even able to speak their own language anymore"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of it today is just Hanfu spergs seething, but whether or not the Manchus were Chinese was ambiguous even when the Qing were at their height. The Manchus presented themselves differently depending on whoever they were trying to impress at the time: in front of the Han they acted like Confucian scholars trying to preserve ancient Chinese civilization, in front of the Mongols they emphasized their common steppe ancestry, in front of the Tibetans they acted like guardians of Buddhism, and so on. Even though most of them learned Chinese very early, a full fifth of Qing dynasty documents were written in Manchu, usually stuff that the Manchus didn't want the Han to know like the details of Manchu Shamanism. What's more, even before 1911 everyone could see that Manchu culture and Han culture were entirely different, such that the Koreans, Vietnamese, and Japanese all saw the Qing as an illegitimate dynasty while thinking that they themselves were the true heirs of Chinese culture (like how every European country LARPs as Ancient Greece)."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was used in cases such as the Taiping Rebelliion to drum up the support against the Manchu elite. Not many people know the Taiping Rebellion was just as much of an ethnic conflict, perhaps more so, as it was a religious one."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSchizos that wanted to import a schizo version of a foreign sandnigger religion saying that a chinese ethnicity that ruled over previous dynasties are foreign is a kek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were there ever war crime trials or something similar in the ancient world? When did the concept of “taking it too far” in war first develop?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were there ever war crime trials or something similar in the ancient world?\nNo, as a matter of fact you would get rewarded based on how many you killed"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes it was called \"human sacrifice\" and just like with modern war crimes trials, it only happened to the losers."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAncient China and Rome held court martials for violations of military ettiquette and the Laws of War (Confucian & Roman traditions respectively). The Romans for example executed one of their commanders who brutalized Rhegion, an italian city state that was an ally of early Rome. In the Chinese example, IIRC one of the Three Kingdoms Generals was executed for maltreatment of civilians. Unnecessary property destruction of civilians was also a war crime. Cao Cao for example made it law that the commander of a troop that tramples on wheat fields would be punished by death."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nThe most strict guys when it came to this were probably the Carthaginians. They had a military tribunal called the Council of the Hundred and Four which judged the conduct of Carthaginian generals at the end of their service/war, they could be condemned for poor leadership, bad strategic decisions or needless brutality.\n\nThat sadi their concept of brutality is different from ours... they still enslaved defeated peoples and the like."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nOh yeah I read about how Barcids got fucked by this from time to time."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDunno about trials, but shooting a messenger or abusing guest right, usually, was frowned upon, because that shit would take diplomacy out of the picture."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was their diet?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "turnip and boar"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHow about grains?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nsometimes they ate grain to spice up their turnip and boar"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat kind?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Saviors of Europe edition"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Enlightenment’s most famous philosopher\n>Rule 2 for Discourses of the Mind basically calls philosophy worthless and a complete waste of time\n\nUhhhhhh He pretty much tells me to not listen to him in the first set of his own rules?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>calls philosophy worthless and a complete waste of time\nIs he wrong though?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWell, regardless of that it pretty much makes me doubt anything he has to say on religion or God or the like since I know he wrote a lot about those. What he says more directly in the rule is “arithmetic is the only thing with set answers. Philosophy is a good hobby but you shouldn’t waste too much time on it since there is no clear answer to the questions posed.” That kind of makes me doubt the answers HE poses himself."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIt’s sorta like the postmodernism refutation that is posted on this board frequently - there is no objective truth except THIS objective truth that there is no objective truth."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I can't really blame him when you actually look at the way philosophy was done at his time and had been done over the past 1000 years."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nand he is correct, when you realize the vast majority of philosophy is just the occasional prominent autist coping with the fact he just doesn't get society you soon see why most don't give a shit about it beyond current autists"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDescartes on why boneheads prefer philosophy to math\n\n>The reason for this is that every person permits himself the liberty of making guesses in the matter of an obscure subject, no matter what, than to arrive at the real truth about a single question however simple they may be.\n\nThis should really be on a 4chan banner for /lit/ or something."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "and cease to exist forever.\n\nCope"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If you could guarantee me the cease forever part I would be your cockslave forever. Sadly, we just don't know. I'm an atheist but its just not that simple anymore. The universe is mysterious thing and infinity is infinity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd like to see my dad again so hopefully there's some sort of not-shitty afterlife\nIf not then there's no reason to care because there's nothing I can do"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I've had too much strange shit happen, too many discussions with psychics that were too accurate and accounts of life after death told to believe in le nihilism."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">effortless nirvana\nAtheism really is a masturbatory religion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Mycenean Greeks established trade and colonies in Cyprus, southern Italy, the levant, and even traded with the eastern bronze age powers. Why didn't they go North into central Europe? They were sailors and explorers, they went into Georgia (think of Jason and the argonauts). Was the east truly seen as the only place civilization could exist in ancient times?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they did you'd be hard pressed to find good evidence of that"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they were sailors. the argonauts reached modern georgia by ship.\nSome Greeks, like Pytheas, later did explore north, again by ship."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompare the characteristics of the Mediterranean Sea with the characteristics of the Atlantic Ocean and North Sea, there you will find your answer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI mean advancing on foot/chariot with armies. Why didn't they explore and conquer north?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBOOBA"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI thought it was because Europe was still a frozen hellhole like today's Siberia."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nBecause it's uphill, from the coasts; and fighting uphill is hard. Seriously.\nAnd the Greeks have (until Alexander - I'll get to him) been more interested in sharing a common Greek culture than in uniting to conquer another land in an empire. Did the Greeks ever take the whole of - say - Sicily?\nAlso: no money in taking the Balkans. Alexander III was able to conquer Persia but that's because Persia had money."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nBecause they were a seapower and everything else you listed was done by sea and not by land."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nToo many Thracians"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMyceneans were a bunch of maritime pirate city-states fucking each other and neighbors up. They couldn't just organize a giga nigger army and roll into Oogaboggaland.\nThere have been Mycenean objects found in England though."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>southern Italy\nNo, they're local Subapennine sites with Mycenean imports and in some cases local reproduction, but not Mycenaean colonies by any means\n>the levant\nWell the Philistines outright aconquered some pre-existing Canaanite cities like Ashkelon but they didn't found new colonies\n> and even traded with the eastern bronze age powers.\nYeah because the Eastern powers were extremely close to them\n>Central Europe\nBecause that voyage would've been much longer. To get from Crete to Egypt it's like 1 day of sailing on a good day, to get from the Aegean to Anatolia, well it's literally on the Aegean, to get from Anatolia to the Levant by coast it's just a few days\n\nTo get from Greece to say Germany you'd have to travel for weeks across the Adriatic then mountains and rivers, or probably even more if you went completely by land in the Balkans"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso traveing by ship in the Mediterranean was way less expensive and time consuming than traveling 2000 miles across the Carpathians to Central Europe.\n\nAlso while of course there were dangers in traveling by ship, traveling by land across a bazillion angry mountain tribes and bandits, or getting stuck in said mountains during the winter, was probably euqally as dangerous and terrifying if not more than the danger of storms in the sea"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>>13\nThanks anons. Are these your presuppositions though, or is there a resource that's looked into this?"}, {"id": 15, "content": "They traded for whatever they needed in northern europe via the amber road. It's like asking why didnt the Ottomans attack China"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>go north\n>its cold\n>you have to walk everywhere\n>theres no civilization\n>savages throw rocks and spears at yo\n>go home"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christianity is just a mental trick that serve the same purpose as SSRI."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Funny how this shit is posted exclusively when e*ropeans are awake and have the numbers to appear to be on the right"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>to appear to be on the right\nThey are on the right chuddy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that people who commit suicide can't go to heaven?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah but neither can people who don't commit suicide."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah that’s why Mark Fisher is suckin Satans big ginormous wee wee"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey just reincarnate. Everyone will go to heaven eventually, it's just a matter of how much it'll take you to get there."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot at all because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die the. So people who commit suicide go straight to paradise when they die just like everyone else does.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\n<- What happens immediately after suicide."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nYES."}, {"id": 7, "content": "isnt the point of jesus that sins such as suicide can be forgiven?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it true that heaven is boring?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmurderers don't go to heaven yes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happened to the Huns after they have failed their invasions on roman lands and pressure on germanic tribes?\n\nThey established somewhere in europe? (Hungary?) They returned to asian steppes? They were exterminated?\n\nIt's curious that after their passage, you get shitons of others nomads entering (magyars, avars, khazars, cumans, petchenegues, bulgars, oghuz) and the rising of slavshit kingdoms from nowhere."}, {"id": 2, "content": "All of this steppes stuff make me wish for hungarian food."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBroe atilla was made up, stop playing total war atila."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Dont think his empire ever included Denmark, the Netherlands and the coast to the baltic sea"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Basically their client states rebelled and btfo them and they we’re probably absorbed into different tribes"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMostly collapsed, spread out, and assimilated. Huns are recorded as among the soldiers of the Lombards and Ostrogoths as late as the 7th century."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIt's kind of just unknown, it could be that big but no one can tell"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nPaprika only exists in Europe thanks to the Columbian exchange"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey moved to germany and france"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThere is some archeological evidence, perhaps, that they raided around those areas, but that's about it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Some scholars have defined the Albanian Kanun as a set of traditions which are more or less ancient and widespread in the Balkans and in the Mediterranean area, however it should be considered independently as a \"customary code and a normative heritage\" of a people who, on the basis of their own social sense, have created a legal system that was autonomous from the law enforced by the various conquerors. In other words, it can be defined as a 'constitution' of a stateless social system.\n\n>The Albanian Kanun contains several customary concepts that have their origins in pagan beliefs, including in particular the ancestor worship, animism and totemism, which date back long before the period of Lekë Dukagjini.[29][30][5] Comparing the Albanian Kanun of the Mountains with the Iliad and the Odyssey, the Japanese scholar Kazuhiko Yamamoto has concluded that the basic ethical concepts of the stateless social structure of the Homeric Age — 'faith', 'honor', 'blood', 'revenge', 'food', and 'guest' — are the same customary concepts of the Albanian tribal society.["}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "second period only applies to the almoravid and almohads and maybe the taifas"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could YOU have saved them, Anon?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe death of the big four Old Empires (Ottomans, Hapsburgs, Romanovs, Qings) makes me crai every time."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Qing got what they deserved. During the Second Opium War, they first prepared an ambush at what should have been unoccupied forts and then later resorted to abducting and torturing a team of diplomatic envoys - killing scores of them in the process - which caused the continuation of the war and the punitive sacking of the Summer Palace even though the French and British soldiers would have preferred to sack Peking itself if not for the graciousness of their leaders who didn't want to punish the common chink. The Emperor responded to being asked what to do with officials feeling from the Anglo-French forces by ordering that they be decapitated before promptly abandoning the capital with the excuse that his annual hunting trip just couldn't wait thereby leaving his brother in charge of negotiations.\n\nDuring the Sino-Japanese War, the Qing couldn't stop themselves from referring to the Japanese by an ethnic slur meaning \"bandit dwarf\" in all their official pronouncements and even sent an official who offered a bounty for every Japanese head on Taiwan to the negotiations as well as committing all sorts of war crimes throughout the course of the war before the Japanese responded in turn. They blamed the reformist Li Hongzhang\nfor their defeat and in the course of the war, responded to having inefficient gunpowder (as a result of corrupt officials procuring as much) by abandoning modern weapons in exchange for outdated arms instead of replacing the ineffective gunpowder with effective gunpowder.\n\nThe Qing government embodied arrogance, hypocrisy, prejudice, the lack of self-awareness, corruption, and inefficiency. As I said before, they got what they deserved."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey also awarded generals who lied about scoring military victories while harshly punishing generals who told the truth - especially if they were of Han Chinese descendent - as a means of passing off any blame for their predicament on the Han rather than the Manchu ruling class. This occurred in both Opium Wars and the Sino-Japanese War.\n\nThey also made sure to drag on the Second Opium War while the Taiping Rebellion was occurring even though internal problems, such as the aforementioned rebellion, were much more responsible for creating the conditions for the whole \"Century of Humiliation\" than attacks by foreign powers."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSaving the Qing would've meant sweeping societal reforms which would've basically dissolved the power of the monarchy. Sure, I could \"save\" the Qing, the Tokugawa, the Hapsburgs, the Romanovs, or any of modern monarchy, but unless you can somehow revert the world to feudalism they're going to live on as tourist attractions."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>HRE\nCharles V divides his empire differently giving Flanders and Milan to Austria and consolidating nearly half the HRE under Austro-Imperial authority while allowing Soain to focus on the Mediterranean. Even that’s a pretty late game strategy for his lifespan but if his heirs could further consolidate imperial power under austria while containing France they might be able to unit the HRE."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey all deserved to die"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, I have played a lot of Victoria 2"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSaving the Ottomans would be the most simple one imo, just make the Ottoman palace coups of 1807–1808 go the opposite way and never allow the incompetent Committee of Union and Progress to take over later in the 19th century. Doesn't mean they'd keep the Balkans, but from Libya to Iraq and from around modern Armenia to Yemen would be a safe bet. The Qing would have to essentially upend their whole societal structure and the HRE would need to become some kind of confederation so idk how that would work exactly."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nTokugawa wasn't a monarchy it was a military dictatorship. The restoration in Meiji Restoration literally refers to bringing back the monarchy to real power."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nencourage clergy in the most populous state until you got at least 2% clergy pops each and dont forget to put education budget slider to max"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nBasically Francoism if it lasted 250 years."}, {"id": 13, "content": "saving the Hapsburgs would be as simple as not starting or staying out of a major European war. Had internal tensions but nothing bad enough to destroy the state in peacetime and a bit too big/important to go landgrabbing against."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nThere are still some monarchs that have maintained real power into the present. Saudi Arabia is the most famous example."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQing was beyond saving. It had already reached the \"natural\" end of the lifespan of a dynasty and would have collapsed even without the European invaders.\n\nWell, okay, technically it could have been \"saved\" by a \"Restoration\" type deal, such as the Former Han -> Later Han transition, where it was basically an entirely new government but the dynastic title kept the same due to the new Emperor being a distant male-line relation of the previous dynasty's Emperor."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Claim to have objective morality\n\n>Can't list 5 and give the source for those morals."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExcept 10 can be easily listed and the source exists but is incomprehensible to you (an autist/flesh bot)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nList five what?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n...moralities, duh"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nThat's old testament it doesn't apply anymore"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\n>Claims to have objective morality\n>can't answer euthryphro dilemma"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nnot to you, prottie"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>euthryphro dilemma\nDon't know don't care\n\nYou don't have a source for morality other than \"muh police\" and hence cannot be trusted if not under constant surveillance by daddy government"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>>7\nKingdom laws\nTemple laws\nMoral laws"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\ni'm jewish so it does apply to me :)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nWho chooses if the Old testament applies or not?\n>>8\nYou don't have an objective source for morality period"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThen why didn't you post it in Hebrew. I'm sure you can find the vowels that are missing in the original text oh wait... you don't know them for sure."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSeptuagint was made by kikes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nDid Moses speak Greek?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nbecause i didn't post that and you also can't read hebrew"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nJust pointing out that the Pharisees rejected the Septuagint even though it was also written by Jews."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nNeither can you without vowels. The ten commandments weren't written with vowels."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nIf hell is taking a mud bath spa, I'd go there."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nMy objective source for morality is GOD, his law revealed to the prophets and concluded throgh CHRIST, the scientifically observable human lack of lawfullness and the nature of this world and it's biological principles wich dictate men are men and women are women"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n...alright?\nare you monolingual or something"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nI literally don't care. Now answer the op question"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>My objective source for morality is GOD\nNot an objective source as God is not an object.\n>his law revealed to the prophets and concluded throgh CHRIST\nKey word concluded\n\n>the scientifically observable human lack of lawfullness\nActually the opposite is true\n\nYou have no source for objective morality"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nMoses didn't write the Pentateuch."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nkys tranny\n\"Cursed, cursed, cursed -- cursed by the God YHW\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nNo, but every time you translate something the translator has to use his subjective interpretation of the words in order to make a translation."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nK what language did Moses read the Pentateuch to the Israelites in?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n(You)"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nNice try but list specific 5 objective morals with the source."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nexcept you can still read hebrew\na good sum of my family can actually\ni don't think you understand the language enough to be declaring that it can't be read"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nMoses didn't exist."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n1) You're gay\n2) You're a fag\n3) You're homo\n4) You take it up the ass\n5) You will never be a real man\n\nSource: ur mum"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nOf course you can because you added the vowels at a later date through oral tradition."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nGlad to know you have no morals. Why does this topic"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nthe tanakh literally has yod, vav, and hey in it"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\n1.- There's one God\n2.- to pretend there's more is immoral\n3.- to insult him is immoral\n4.- to forget worshipping him is immoral\n5.- to ignore his representatives is immoral\n\nSources;\nProphet Elijah, Jesus Christ, Peter the Apostle, Moses, King Solomon, Prophet Ezekiel, God, My mother, every generation since Abraham, Nature"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>8\n>and hence cannot be trusted if not under constant surveillance\nBut enough about christianity"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\n>Not an objective source as God is not an object\n>Objects falling is not an objective source since gravity is not an object"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\ngravity is subatomic particles."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n>capitalize g*d\n>don't capitalize Him\nYou're going to hell. There's also clearly 3 Gods. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nOk then, what makes the words from those people more important than others like Socrates, Homer, Krishna ect"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\nYou posted the Torah, I'm talking about the Torah."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\n>WAAAAAGGGHHHH THE ABJAD ISNT REALLY AN ABJAAAAADD\n\nAramaic, and Semitic in general, is rife with pronunciation and roots errors because of an extreme lack of values before the medieval period. Get over it."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown\n>Objective"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nthe torah is part of the tanakh\nyou were also saying that i couldn't read it, then backpedaled to \"of course you can, you added it later orally :)\" [citation needed]\n>>42\ni don't know what the /v/-style strawman greentext is there for but yes the language is quirky\nno language isn't"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nThat they did countless miracles and have an unbroken chain of leadership unlike the pseuds you mentioned?"}, {"id": 46, "content": "I am the Lord your God you shall have no other gods before me.\nYou shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.\nRemember the Sabbath to keep it holy.\nHonor your father and your mother.\nYou shall not murder.\nYou shall not commit adultery.\nYou shall not steal.\nYou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.\nYou shall not covet your neighbours wife.\nYou shall not covet your neighbour's good."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>of course you can, you added it later orally :)\" [citation needed]\nhttps://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3087993/jewish/Why-No-Vowels-in-the-Torah.htm\n\n>>45\n(1) He liftedGovardhana hillwith His finger when He was just 7 years old, that was 26 miles in perimeter to protect the people from rain.\n\n(2) He drank the poisonous milk of Puthana demon and killed her even in his childhood and similar miracles with cart demon.\n\n(3) He danced on the head of Kaliya Nag and controlled his disturbances to the people.\n\n(4)He made the saree of Draupati to growunlimitedly when she was stripped in front of courtmen and acharyas.\n\n(5) He artificially brought the sunset to stop the war of Kurukshetra.\n\n(6) Krishna cured diseased people including transforming a hunchback woman into a most beautiful woman as a reward for offering sandalwood pulp to Himself.\n\n(7) He created many gopa (cowherd boys) boys and cows when Brahma stole all of them.\n\n(8) He, as a new, just born baby, instructed His parents to take Him to Gokula to Nandha Maharaja’s palace.\n\n(9) Krishna saved King Parikshit when he was in Uttara’s womb.\n\n(10) Krishna gave Arjuna a divine vision and showed His Visvarup Darshan with unlimited forms as the cosmic universe.\n\n(11) Krishna showed the whole Universe in his mouth to His mother."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nOld testament, doesn't apply. Also I'm not Jewish so it doesn't apply to me if you claim you're Jewish."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nNo.... Not like this..."}, {"id": 50, "content": "There are like four different versions of the 10 commandments."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>On a simple level, the reason for this is because, unlike English, most Hebrew words are comprised of triconsonantal roots. Words with the same consonants are usually related, and differ only in how they’re inflected for tense and so forth."}, {"id": 52, "content": "I am the Lord your Essence of the Father Son and Holy Spirit you shall have no other gods before me.\nYou shall not take the name of the Lord your Father, Son and Holy Spirt in vain.\nRemember the Sabbath (Sunday) to keep it holy.\nHonor your father and your mother (also hate them and your own life, see Luke 14:26).\nYou shall not murder (or even cause a heated conflict).\nYou shall not commit adultery (or even think about a women sexually).\nYou shall not steal.\nYou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.\nYou shall not covet your neighbours wife.\nYou shall not covet your neighbour's good."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>Honor your father and your mother (also hate them and your own life, see Luke 14:26).\nKek"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">T-t-the pagans persecuted us!\n>*smashes statues\n>*burns books\n>*blatantly lies about history\n>How could they persecute us so"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nSo what's your objective source on how you pronounce the Torah?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nNever forget the library of Alexandria"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nthat is a question i'm not sure you're actually looking for an answer to\nthe answer i'll give is \"it's down to interpretation based on context\" which is also what you yourself gave in reply, though i'm not sure if you read what you sent"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>2\n>10 can be easily listed\n>but i don't wanna"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>i'll give is \"it's down to interpretation based on context\nSo it's subjective?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nthe words themselves? sometimes\nread the article you sent"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nIf that's so you don't have an objective source for morality"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nread what you sent"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nWhat's your point"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nwhat is yours?\nyou somehow pulled \"objective morals don't exist\" from an article that you sent stating \"words may have hidden meanings due to how the language works\" while also not having any evidence of that being used as justification for extreme action\ni feel like if you actually wanted to debate any of this and look for any reasonable answers you'd be bringing these points to a local religious institution"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>5\n>That's old testament it doesn't apply anymore\nActually, Jesus said not one jot or tiddle of the old law will pass away until heaven and earth passes away, until even the events of Revelation."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It is true that the population of Nanjing was a million in the summer of 1936. Period documents show that, as many Nanjing residents had evacuated the city in order to avoid war, the population dropped to between 120,000 and 200,000 by the time the Japanese military had arrived, and most of those who remained had sought refuge in the Safety Zone. With the entry of the Japanese military and the restoration of public safety in Nanjing, some of the refugees began to return, and the population of the city recovered to 250,000 a month after the fall of Nanjing.\n\nIf there had really been a massacre, then it would have been unnatural for the population to increase beyond its previous level. The Chinese materials resort to using the rapidly decreased population due to the evacuation as evidence of a massacre, which is a disingenuous attempt at manipulation.\n\nThe fact that there never was a massacre in Nanjing has been demonstrated academically from a range of research."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChing chong nip yip poki toki"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nagreed and based"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Nanjing massacre museum statues are really horrifying"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNigger it’s fucking china. Of course it was a million, at least"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWait til you see its main exhibit: the victims themselves. The place was built on top of one of the mass graves."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>inb4 op finds a way to claim those are fake too"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI've seen it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>literal NSDAP telling OP he is full of shit"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>soldiers die in a war\nwow"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nFPBP"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nHow many people did he say died in the >massacre?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>be so brutal your own allies, the literal nazis think you’re being barbaric\n>b-b-but he said the numberz wrong-"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBut what were the numbers?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>no see we only brutally raped and murdered 300 girls, so it’s okay"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nDid he actually say 300 people? Are the accounts off by a factor of 1000x?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n300 000, same number of deaths as the tokyo firebombings"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWhy dontcha go shove a soda can up your ass since you apparently wanna be a faggot"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nNo way that Mr. Nazi Man (but he was heckin based despite that though really!) said 300,000 people died in the massacre\n>>18\nok"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you seriously expect me to believe this is over 2400 years old?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's probably closer to 3000."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCry about it. HAIL ATHENA."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n\n\nLEARN HOW TO READ, MORON."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">How are statues dated?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the most logically plausible site of Jesus' crucifixion is a parking lot now\n\nIt's so fucking over. The jews won"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Jesus was crucified in outer space"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile Jesus may have existed, he was almost certainly not divine and there is no reason to believe so."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nChatgpt reply"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nOn the contrary Jesus was probably anything but historical and was only visible to believers"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Maybe if I lie again people will believe me"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nProve to me you’re not a bot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nEveryone is divine you fucking hylic, Jesus especially."}, {"id": 9, "content": "jews invented cars?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Pilgrimage sites and routes have been overgrown with infrastructure and attendant commercial use for as long as pilgrimage was a thing. It's like any other kind of tourist industry. Just look at Mecca, if your eyes can bear it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>protestants worship a literal parking lot\nOH NO NO NO"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI don't think we worship the place Jesus got murdered"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">christians worship a god who was defeated by a parking lot"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're just gonna ignore the Church of the Holy Sepulchre?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNo"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nWe already know iron chariots BTFO god"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nyou beat me by like two seconds. nice shootin tex"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesusbros..."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nThere's nothing special about humans, this psychotic opinion that our species is particularly special is what is destroying our planet."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI don't see any other mammal dominating the earth's surface like we do."}, {"id": 21, "content": "wouldn't it be the part above the parking lot?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n> Existence is…. le material\nI remember when I turned 12."}, {"id": 23, "content": "hey god look at this\n\nOOGA BOOGA BOOGA WOOOO\nhahaa"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown\nUhmm, we frequently exterminate rats, and keep their population in check. Moreover, rats wouldn't be anyway near so common without human civilization to piggyback off of."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmaybe that fucking kike should've paid for the ticket\nhe got what he deserved"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">Site has so many Christian pilgrims that a parking lot needs to be built nearby to accommodate their needs\n>this means the Jews won\n\nOK spastic."}, {"id": 27, "content": "uhm almost everyone agrees today that the crucificiton place is in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "One century after his death:\n>Europe United under German led economic order\n>Communism in Europe extinct\n>Ethno Nationalist parties elected across the continent\n>Feminist, LGBT, and socially liberal shit being turned away from in nation after nation\n>Free trade being abandoned in persuit of economic autarky\n>Europe United Against Russia\n>Democracy in global decline\n>International Finance itself collapsing and economies basing their currencies on hard assets again/labor again\nBasically everything he stood for has been embraced to one degree or another by the modern world; history proved him right.\nMuch like napoleon when you think about it, with his ideals likewise popularized a century after his death\nReally makes you think."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, I bet modern Germany is exactly what Hitler wanted."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo but modern Europe is a good deal closer then it was in 1945\nThe lack of Russian troops in Berlin is a pretty stark improvement"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Europe United under German led economic order\nIt's a democracy with free trade and free movement of people...\n\n>Communism in Europe extinct\nNot thanks to him\n\n>Ethno Nationalist parties elected across the continent\nWhere?\n\n>Feminist, LGBT, and socially liberal shit being turned away from in nation after nation\nFascism is when no trannies\n\n>Free trade being abandoned in persuit of economic autarky\nNot happening. Autarky isn't a good thing either, the countries that pursued autarky are all shitholes.\n\n>Europe United Against Russia\nFascism is when NATO\n\n>Democracy in global decline\nBecause of the rise of the ChiComs not due to fascism\n\n>International Finance itself collapsing and economies basing their currencies on hard assets again/labor again\nNot happening\n\ntl;dr - OP is a schizo retard"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>It's a democracy with free trade-\nHe claimed as the EU signed yet another enormous list of Russian sanctions\n>Not thanks to him\nLike saying liberalism worse in Europe “no thanks to napoleon”\nHe laid the seeds of nationalism and anti-communism that brought down the Soviet Union as can be well said today on the uniforms of the Ukrainians shooting the shit out of Russians\nPic fucking related\n>Where?\nPoland Hungary Sweden Finland Italy the Netherlands\nTake your fucking pic anon\nGive it a couple months you can add Austria to the list (again) and a couple years france\n>Fascism is when no trannies\n“Liberal democracy” is when protectionism illiberalism and mass deportations\n>Not happening.\nThe fuck do you mean “not happening” faggot?\nIt’s an objective quantifyably fact that in the fallout of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine western nations have restored more and more of their supply chains\nLike you do realize you can demonstrate this emperically right??\nIt’s a mathematical fact\nNot a subject for debate\n>Fascism is when NATO\nthe communists sure seemed to think so\n>Because of the rise of the ChiComs not due to fascism\n“Chicks” are when rightwing American legislatures throw out election results to ensure their socially conservative candidate wins an election\n>Not happening\nSaudi Arabia has literally left the petro dollar\nRussia was able to defacto default on its international debt and its currency is still solvent\nLiterally the fuck are you coping you seething homo??"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nonly the first two are true, and thats mostly because they decided to do shit that went against his ideas"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>history proved him right.\nIt didn't because Germany accomplished all that without chimping out and invading its neighbors."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNo but it proved the efficiency of German management of Europe none the less"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nIn what way is anti-communist nationalism against his ideas??\nHe literally named the fins\n>”honorary aryans”\nFor fighting the soviets"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nit proved that cooperative trade agreements and investment are far better than hurr durr just beat them with armies, that and France is also a significant power within the EU so its not like its just Germany either"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>implying cooperative trade agreements weren’t in Hitler’s ideas\nYou really have no fucking idea how he aligned Hungary and Romania do you anon??\nJust allll fucking shared “antisemitism” I guess in your mind"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Ethno Nationalist parties elected across the continent\nNever happened\n>>Feminist, LGBT, and socially liberal shit being turned away from in nation after nation\nI really doubt it. There will be an inevitable downturn in attention towards troons in the future but to say no trannies = liberalism altogether just shows how far your brainrot has gone.\n>>Free trade being abandoned in persuit of economic autarky\nA consequence of saturated markets built on meaningless debt. Such systems still wouldn't last in the modern world.\n>>Europe United Against Russia\nThey have arguably always been at odds with Russia though.\n>>Democracy in global decline\nIt was never truly dominant for more than like 20 years after WWII. Nothing in the past 80 years of American foreign policy was about establishing fair democracy. The only times any real effort was made to build a strong state was when it was geopolitically beneficial to them (S. Korea, Japan, W. Germany).\n>>International Finance itself collapsing\n2 more weeks. No but Hitler wasn't the first to point out that fiat was bad, retard.\n>Basically everything he stood for has been embraced to one degree or another by the modern world; history proved him right.\nSo? Nobody cared about his feelings towards Jews or Russhits whether he was correct or not. He ended up invading other W. European nations and that's where they fucked up."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Someone should tell OP that nations that pursue autarky are nations like North Korea, Zimbabwe, Venezuela etc.\n\nIts fucking basic public school education level to know that free trade and export specialization is the key to economic growth. Feed some Adam Smith down your worthless throat until you surrender."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Europe United under German led economic order\nYou mean starvation and exploitation during the war.\n\n>Communism in Europe extinct\nEnabled half the continent to fall under communism.\n\n>Ethno Nationalist parties elected across the continent\nNone of them were elected.\n\n>Feminist, LGBT, and socially liberal shit being turned away from in nation after nation\nThat wasnt attributed to Hitler.\n\n>Free trade being abandoned in persuit of economic autarky\nAutarky = poverty. Globalized free trade = prosperity\n\n>Europe United Against Russia\nEurope was already united against Russia\n\n>Democracy in global decline\nAh yes, democracy le bad, coming from an anon who is able to sperg his shit because he lives in a democracy.\n\n>International Finance itself collapsing and economies basing their currencies on hard assets again/labor again\nMonetary system is the best way for prosperity.\nInternational finances were not collapsing, they were emerging."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModern EU has more in common with Habsburg monarchy, which Hitler despised, than whatever he envisioned in his schizo mind."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople liked him because he talked about things that the german people needed to happen at the time.\n\nTruthfully, the man was a fucking idiot and started a war 5 years too early whilst high off of his meth and crack based diet, killed a few million village jews but not his special doctor because he treated him nicely, decided to go apeshit and pussied out at the end and killed his wife and himself.\n\n80 years later and an entire fucking demographic of /pol/ tards now loves him even though they know jack shit about him and only have their opinions because they saw the endless ranting about how great this dead leader was online."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>80 years later and an entire fucking demographic of /pol/ tards now loves him even though they know jack shit about him and only have their opinions because they saw the endless ranting about how great this dead leader was online.\n\nDont forget that these idiots attribute all shit of the modern world to the allied victory in ww2. They've allowed a bunch of trannys who were confined to tumblr 2015 to now run their governments.\n\nThey ignore the fact that Europe and NA were largely white ethnostates up until the 1990s, and lefty policies which has enabled mass immigration and shunning nationalism is largely thanks to Hitlers wonderful actions.\n\nSomehow they can see the correlation of consequences from events like the Confederacy importing Africans to USA, so they're not sympathetic to the Confederacy because they enabled the black population USA has today.\nThey can also see the correlation of consequences from perople like Tarrant whos terrorist actions caused New Zeeland to ban firearms, hence they criticize him.\nBut god forbid seeing the correlation of consequences that Hitler is largely responsible for giving the left a blank cheque."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\n>as can be well said today on the uniforms of the Ukrainians shooting the shit out of Russians\nWhich are led by a jew, Hitler would be proud\n>Poland Hungary Sweden Finland Italy the Netherlands\nYes I'm sure the slightly right wing governments that will get replaced again the next election will be able to reverse the constant threshold of new LGBT acceptance laws and constant immigration, also Hungary is literally a friend of Russia you fucking retard.\n>the communists sure seemed to think so\nAnd? What communists think is true?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>Never happened\nYou know I will never fucking understand till the day I die why in the FUCK people on the god damn INTERNET deny basic shit like this.\nLike you do KNOW fucking ANYONE can google the current government make up of Italy right?\nJust as they can for Hungary\nJust as they can for poland\nJust as they can for Sweden, and the motherlands and as of last week fucking FINLAND\nLike the rise of ethno nationalist parties in Europe is not a subject of fucking debate\nIt is a quantifyably and objectively defined fact\nWho I the FUCK does your fucking to effeminate retarded faggot ass think you are convincing with this bullshit??\nThey. Can. Just. Fucking. Google. It.\n>I really doubt it. There will be an inevitable downturn in attention towards troons in the future but to say no trannies = liberalism altogether just shows how far your brainrot has gone.\nGiven that last amazingly retarded statement I’m not sure this even deserves a response\nBut since I’m not a fuckin faggot pussy like you;\nAll be direct.\nI wasn’t just referring to fucking trannies I was referring to every and all fronts of liberalism, from democracy to the “right to choose” from free expression to free trade\nIncreasingly even “LIBERALS”don’t believe in liberalism anymore\nAnd I’d be fucking HAPPY to go more in-depth with this if you so chose\n>A consequence of saturated markets built on meaningless debt. Such systems still wouldn't last in the modern world.\nYou aren’t wrong on this\n>They have arguably always been at odds with Russia though.\nThe word\n>”arguably”\nOught to be named employee of the month for all the work it just did in one sentence.\nThey certainly didn’t se Russia as more of a threat when they were aligning with Russia to smash Germany in both world wars\n>It was never truly dominant for more than like 20 years after WWII.\nTrue\nAnd I’d even debate that frankly\nIn any case it was a brief, unique and emperically failed experiment experiment 1/2"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\n>2 more weeks.\nAnon this is not something which is\n>”going to happen”\nIt’s something which already happened\nSaudi Arabia is off the petro dollar\nRussia was able to keep solvent a currency WITHOUT adhering to its debt obligations\nThis is no longer speculative it is history\n>He ended up invading other W. European nations\nEngland and France declared war on Germany\nGermany did not declare war on England and France"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwtf is this cope lmao I have been hearing this \"based trad europe\" shit since the special military operation and its all glowop shit."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ethno Nationalist parties elected across the continent\n“Slightly stricter immigration laws” is ethnonationalism only to troons and retards like OP."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>Someone should tell OP that nations that pursue autarky are nations like North Korea, Zimbabwe, Venezuela etc.\nWe’ll Faggot YOU Should be the one to say it then.\nOr maybe your just to much of a fucking BITCH to as you KNOW that the United States, Russia, China, and the EU ALL embrace EXTREME protectionist policies that have only grown larger in recent years and as such you know you’ll get your shit kicked in if you say such\nThen again\nMaybe you really are just so fucking retarded you don’t fucking know\nWhose to say\nYou did just write a fuckin post advocating third person intervention rather then just saying what you mean like a non retard\n>Its fucking basic public school education level to know that free trade and export specialization is the key to economic growth.\nOh holly fuck\nReally anon??\nI had no fucking idea that the arbiter of all economic truth, the AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM had dictated from on high it’s final and erivocable statement of TRUTH on the subject\nTrully all data is now irrelevant!\nAll matter of fact beside the point!!\nALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\n>ALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\nALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\n>ALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\nALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\n>ALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\nALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\n>ALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\nALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\n>ALL HAIL VOICE OF THE STATE!\n>Feed some Adam Smith down your worthless thro-\nHE FUCKING ADVOCATED PROTECTIONISM WHEN A COMPETING NATION HAD AN ABSOLUTE ADVANTAGE YOU RETARDED FUCKING MONGOLOID\nLMFAO!!!!\nAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH\nAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHA\nAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH\nHOLLLLY FUCKIN\n>>>>>>>>>SHIT"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\n>this retarded fucking nigger didn’t even realize the post was in regards to the last century since Hitler’s death\n>also “Autarky = poverty. Globalized free trade = prosperity”\nlol\nLook anon I know you’ve never actually thought about anything critically in your entire fucking life, but you do realize you can’t expect everyone else to be as retarded as you are right??\nProtections nations build productive capacities it would otherwise be inefficient for capital to attempt leading to greater over all efficiency and innovation in the economy in the long run.\nYou can se examples of this from the first world to the third world\nYou can read studies and articles on it on jstor"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>muh Hitler is responsible for what Jewish oligarchs did after his death\nThis is like blaming Bonnie prince charlie for the highland clearings\nNo one in history but castrated weak bitch faggots have ever accepted nor will ever accept this logic\nYou don’t care about Europe\nYou don’t care about whites\nYou don’t care if the world is swallowed by one suicidal cult of genital mutilation and nihilism till inevitably drowns itself in a sea of radioactive cobalt from bombs invented by (you guessed it) a communist Jew\nI’m not going to blame the guy who resisted you for what you disgusting pedophiles did\nAnd neither is anyone else who isn’t themselves (definitionally) one of you"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nHis doctor wasn't even jewish you redditard"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n>Which are led by a jew, Hitler would be proud\nA Jew (and Jewish power) reduced to funding ethno nationalists because there scared of other nationalists and as such have to allow nationalists to get elected across the whole of Europe?\nYeah anon\nHe fucking would be proud\n>Yes I'm sure the slightly right wing governments that will get replaced again the next electi-\nYeah dude\n2 more weeks\nOrbans gona get voted out annnny day now\n>And? What communists think is true?\nIn regards to their enemies?\nYes\nRead Schmidt; our enemies define us\nJust as they did in WWII when the “capitalist” nations of the west allied with the communists"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nAnon you can read their party programs if you like\nThey literally explicitly advocate for the preservation of the native demographics of their countries; that is the definition of ethno nationalism.\nAnd calling their migration reforms “slight” isn’t going to change the reversal of non-white demographics in the nations which have achieved it"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe ruined the old europe and paved way for the liberal world order"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Simple hack to make your country prosper!\n\nDisclaimer: You might end dead."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI miss him so much bros..."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nhow? by defending himself from international jews"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\nwhy do 99% of people who run their mouths about hitler have no idea what theyre talking about?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nBrainwashed goycattle who's only arguments are old and overused jewish propaganda"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhitler didnt want war but knew it was impossible to avoid because 73 unelected jews were running the show while roosvelt vegetated in a wheelchair not to mention churchhill was beholden to the same group of jews who without them he would have been living in a cardboard box"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nyes youre right because when you look into who provoked the war its like reading a tel aviv phonebook"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>15\nwhy is anybody who opposes jews a \"madman\""}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>5\n>Sweden\nYeah, about that..."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>17\nyes he was evil for defending his country from jews like baruch and morgenthau"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>suicide is even higher in modern day\nShitler truly is a \"role\" modek"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nnayrt but SD definitely leans ethnonationalist even if officially they say they're pro \"assimilation\". Their most important political goal is net zero immigration and \"re-migration\" of as many foreigners as possible."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>27\n>A Jew (and Jewish power) reduced to funding ethno nationalists because there scared of other nationalists and as such have to allow nationalists to get elected across the whole of Europe?\nMore like:\n>a jew gaining trillions in dollars while slavs kill eachother for some years\nHe probably only would be proud of the slavs killing eachother part.\n>Orbans gona get voted out annnny day now\nOrban is a fucking russian ally.\n>In regards to their enemies?\n>Yes\nMakes sense for you to think that. Communists thought social democracies were facist, which is probably what you think as well."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>32\nYeah right... what was the consequences of Adolfs sperginess? You nazis dont realise that even if Hitler won there would be chaos in europe instantly and alot of nations would rebel against their invaders"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>You nazis dont realise that even if Hitler won there would be chaos in europe instantly and alot of nations would rebel against their invaders\nYeah faggot\nThe poles and French sure did start rebelling\n>”instantly”\nAnd totally didn’t have half their populations side with the invaders promising to beat back the communists while the other half either meekly accepted or ran such pathetic, unpopular forms of domestic resistance that fucking NONE of them ever even managed to liberate a single fucking TOWN in their own countrysides as happened all throughout the napoleonic wars and most other attempted leftist subjugations of Europe"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nwhy does OP type like they're a 50 year old boomer on facebook\n\ngo to bed grandpa"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>35\nHe should have made Germany stronger but not invade other countries. Wait until the other attack you and you will be seen as the victim, not the aggressor. With him invading countries one after the other he became the bad guy invading other countries and he lost the moral war."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nOP is a giga sperg, just check any of the filenames for his picks and you will soon see his other ramblings, also you really overestimate his age"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>33\nBecause most people that bring up and talk about Hitler on this site learned about him from garbage infographs they read on /pol/ that play mental gymnastics and jump through hoops to justify his invading neutral countries that had nothing to do with the war with Britain and France, if it even acknowledges that at all."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomething tells me that OP watched Europa: The Last Battle and The Greatest Story Never Told."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "> kills fascist rats\n\nThe soviet partisan were chads"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2/10 bait"}, {"id": 3, "content": "faggot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>two Nagants\nOcelot?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe cute. Big dick energy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis grand children are dead in Ukraine right now lmao"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>soviet partisan\n>soviet\n>partisan"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Faggot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>spends entire war killing civilians and hiding in a cave\nAYOO WE WUZ PARTIZANS AND SHIET"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow the fuck do you move around in that getup without losing half of your equipment?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHe's posing for a photograph anon. That's probably not exactly his loadout when he's out killing fascist invaders"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">Faggot"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHe had the brains not the gains....or jaw"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Amazing to strap all those explosives to one's self. He's a walking bomb. War is dumb."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nyou do realise it was mostly belarusian and ukrainian partisans fighting the nazis, /k/ faggot?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nStill would dedu"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nlos mongrelicos de union sovietica"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKill all Whiteys"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Kill all Whit-ACK"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Starves in Russian"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It just makes more sense to me that a perfectly good being would choose a sinless man and not a thieving murdering pedophile to be his messenger"}, {"id": 2, "content": "it makes more sense to me that Jesus didnt exist"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Or better yet come explain things himself"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nwe've dealt with that approximately a billion times\ndid it happen? no:\nhttps://wikialislam.blogspot.com/2015/10/hazrat-ayesha-ra-age-at-time-of-marriage.html\nhttps://newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammads-underage-wife-aisha/\ndoes the Quran allow it? no:\nhttps://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_4/child_marriage_(P1457).html\n>inb4 coping slanderers grasping at straws"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Abrahamic God\n>perfectly good\nPick one\nJust going off of the Old Testament, a ruthless warlord who kills people that he doesn't agree with is pretty fitting for Yahweh"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nyou can't explain trinity"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The Old Testament prophets were imperfect sinners though."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho defines what \"pedophile\" means in this instance?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWater can come as a liquid, it can come as ice, and it can come as steam.\n\nNow go jump off a bridge"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat \"perfectly good\" being behaved exactly like any of the other war-like bronze age tribal gods did for half of the bible though"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who did it best?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Your mom"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would naturalists and natural-philosophers of old would classify non-mammalian synapsids if they were still alive ? Would they be viewed as their own separate class or shove into one of the six linnaean classes ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey probably would have put them with mammals."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah but those big buddies can make a comeback anytime now"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe linnaean classes for vertebrates are more feels than reals. They don't matter in a deeper scientific way, it's more about aesthetics. So more mammal-like synapsids (with fur and snout) would be dumped with mammals, while more reptilian looking synapsids (with scales and such) would be considered reptiles or belonging to a new different class"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey would probably be grouped in with birds."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhow ?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You guys ever think about how history is made everyday?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "HISTORY IS THE SCIENCE OF MEMORY; HISTORY IS ALWAYS MADE POSTFACTVM: A HISTORICAL OCCURRENCE NEVER OCCURS IN THE ACTUAL PRESENT; IT IS MADE IN THE FUTURE, BY A HISTORIAN."}, {"id": 3, "content": "You ever think about how much history has been forgotten?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nOP’s reference is to the History channel. They use that as their motto because now they have non-history shows on. History- made everyday is their excuse for 12 hour Pawn Stars marathons."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You wake up in Roman Egypt"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I am pretty quickly killed because I speak a language that doesn't exist yet"}, {"id": 3, "content": "slava ukraine"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI will go to learn from the neoplatonists and the hermetists. I really wish I could travel to late antiquity."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nYou could probably get by if you speak a Romance language. The differences are small enough that you could pick Latin up pretty quickly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\negypt spoke greek"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBut they wouldn't have killed you for speaking a romance language kek"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThere's enough Roman officers, soldiers, merchants and settlers to get by, at least long enough to board a ship to Rome itself. That's what I would do at least, offer to work my way onto a merchant ship and get passage to Rome. Maybe impress the captain with some modern gadget.\n\nOP said Egypt in Roman times."}, {"id": 9, "content": "When in Roman Egypt? Rome controlled Egypt for over half a millennia."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nIt never did"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nMeet Philo of Alexandria and kick his ass for getting Plato mixed up with Christian bullishit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI rob a bank or a jew debtor, flee to Ireland, drive out the snakes, head to Vinland and establish my island fishing kingdom."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would invent the hot air balloon and fly my way out\nThey had the technology"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHell yeah suck my dick Daedalus."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, I usually wake up in Spokane, plus I don't think rome owns Egypt any more."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>I usually wake up in Spokane\nWhy haven't you kys yet? That place is depressing as fuck, like it unironically feels like it has a negative aura."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI actually like it more than any place I've lived, except for Seward."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Huh... so you guys were black?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat year? I could probably get really rich and bribe my way into power."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be me\n>Greek from the Macedonia region\n>Can communicate in Koine\n>Plan is that I will go to Alexandria, then sail back to Greece\n>Reach what is today called Giza\n>Find a sign near an odd statue, half human half animal.\n>Looks like Greek, but something is off\n>\"мaкeдoнcки тигъp\"\n>Have no clue what the fuck is that about, continue to Alexandria\n>Finally reach the city's suburbs\n>Observe some hoplites marching from afar, with the Vergina sun on a banner\n>Can hear some kind of march song, can't figure it out from that far\n>https://youtube.com/watch?v=3ZhT0hcpQug [Embed]\n>mfw"}, {"id": 21, "content": "I go to Alexandria following the sun and help the lads invent the steam engine and kick off an early industrial revolution"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFind out what year it is, where the emperor is, and go try to stop whatever bad thing that will happen to him so he gives me a villa with some bitches."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> You wake up in Roman Egypt\n\nGo find the nearest Italian dude,\nelbow my way through all his femboy African slaves and native whores attending him,\noffer him my services"}, {"id": 24, "content": "try and figure out who built the pyraminds"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>already two and a half millennia old at this point\n>older than Jesus is today"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI go back to sleep."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhoa...why is everyone white? Ayo!"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can barely speak Latin, though I think I could survive.\nWorse case, I'm enslaved; best case I eventually become governor of the region."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Holy shit that's a lot of sand."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm probably surrounded by complete and utter chuds, so I'd better make it my business to start educating everyone around me on race and gender issues."}, {"id": 31, "content": "...."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nYou're totally getting raped, enslaved and then raped again, leftoid nigger faggot."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nWhy are you retards so easy to get a rise out of?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>>thinking I'm actually angry and not just pretending to play along with the joke out of boredom\n\nMeh, I really should get in the shower now, I just thought I'd do some shitposting first."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>heh, I was only pretending to be retarded to get a rise out of you\n>>34\n>nah, you didn't get a rise out of me, see, I too was pretending to be retarded"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">reincarnated in a high class family\n>study to enter the senate\n>learn sorcery from ancient egypt\n> escaped and asked for asylum in the persian empire\n>I give you information about the technology of the 21st century\n>years go by living comfy in a tabaristan village\n>I have a beautiful scythian wife\n>thanks to the technology of the future, the Sasanians have humiliated the europeans, chinese and the turks\n>smiling while watching a beautiful sunset"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Imma woman philosopher, stunning and brave"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>pretending to be retarded"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's a 700-year window"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nThat's about the size of it, to be honest. I mean, I don't really like the modern left, but I made that post out of boredom and figured I'd reply to a troll with a troll of my own."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>I don't really like the modern left\nOld left best left desu senpai."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGulfies are white"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I want to become really knowledgeable about economics. Especially macro-econ on the international scale, I want to understand the details of how international trade and finance works. I want to be able to interpret World Bank data, national accounts, balance of payments, etc. My background is in political and military history but I've reached the point where I think I really can no longer put off doing the work trying to grasp the economics behind a lot of that.\n\nI've been pirating stuff from libgen in a more or less haphazard way, mainly textbooks like International Trade (Theory and Practice) by Paul Krugman et al., and the Cambridge Economic Histories which are proving pretty interesting. Are these good places to start? Can anyone recommend some books?\n\nBefore anyone posts \"Basic Economics\" by Sowell, I have read it.\n\nPic unrelated."}, {"id": 2, "content": "first rule of arguing about economics online is you do NOT know about economics"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYes, that's the point. I don't, and I want to."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHeckshler-Ohlins model. The best book on the topic is written by some Dutch guy. International trade is a field of economics that really gives you a lot of perspective, in my opinion."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nSecond rule of economics.....YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ECONOMICS"}, {"id": 6, "content": "it's easy\nyou just say some pseudo intelligent bullshit and then blame the jews and go \"that's economics for ya\" while doing the tosser handgesture, smirk and eyeroll"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nBut I do."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you tried Milton Friedman?\nhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt27lKoC5LS4wbD28Jkv95UUm9H7wbVO4"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI've read some of Friedman but mainly from the social and political direction (likewise Hayek, Mises). I have Friedman's Monetary History of the US but I have not read it yet. My impression however is that Friedman didn't devote much attention to the international economy,"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDas Kapital, if only for the reason of knowing what is actually written there instead of what people say is written there."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/HJCKxEyiT86r/\nNiall Ferguson has a 6 part series on the ascent of money"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Marx and to a lesser degree Friedman are largely about political economy. While interesting my understanding is that OP is looking for a technical book on international trade."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nExactly so. If I could put it more clearly, I'm not so much interested in theories of how capital and commodities move internationally, but detailed analysis of how they do in fact move and have moved historically. The theory is important but it's ancillary, I think, to understanding the reality."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>>1 (OP)\nCan you specify? Because people writing about Keynesianism in 1924 literally don’t exist in the same reality as what the economy has been for decades now. There are like four different Economic versions of capitalism."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWell, what is the reality? What has the economy been for decades now? That's the question that interests me."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe Bible states that entire families were baptized."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did his dad diddle him?\n\n>be happy kid\n>have double hernia surgery in the scrotum at four\n>always quiet and withdrawn\n\nHis dad's entire book was him shifting blame"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do trannies love Dahmer? You literally will not find a single cis woman who likes this gay faggot."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nFalse, Tumblrinas (female [real]) were lusting after people like Dahmer and the columbine shooters 12 years ago before trannies were even close to being a big thing"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis is objectively correct post\n\nIt’s also okay to shift the blame sometimes here and there. As a treat, of course."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat is that cringe picture. You faggots have absoutely ruined this website"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "are there any remnants of the place a meteor hit 65 mil. year ago? any sign at all, can we trace the spot back to a reasonable extent?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe meteor itself unlikely since the force of the impact would have either obliterated it to much with the few pieces being mixed with the earth, at best we can tell if a shard came from outer space but nothing specific, but an impact area has been somewhat located in the gulf of mexico"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nso they found what? at the bottom of the ocean?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust look it up - impact crater was mapped.\nor perhaps there is some ulterior motive to just not looking it up yourself?>"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>ulterior motive\nwhzat? lol"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Yes they have located where the meteor struck. Its somewhere Central America.\n\nThe crater is obviously not visable anymore but they've been able to map it out. Dont ask me I'm not a geologist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe crater is \"invisible\" because it's really big, the size of fucking a state.\nOver the dozens of millions of years, the only visible remaining geological deformations are the \"cenotes\" (large water holes in Yucatan Peninsula)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater\nNow go kill yourself."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe don't actually know for sure if it was a meteor that led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. But I feel like this is yet another Christcuck thread."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nit's been the consensus for literally all my life\nnoöne cares about your schizotheories"}, {"id": 11, "content": "what animals today alive other than birds were alive during that age?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\ncrocodiles"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nPussyiums"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nok retard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nBugs crocs, tiny mammals and birds. Basically it had to burrow or hide in caves because the sky reached the temp of an oven on clean on that day all across the earth. Everything was cooked."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nsharks"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nI'm a 27yo boomer and I saw plenty of pop-sci material bringing up different hypotheses. Not sure about the actual status of this in the scientific community though."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nAlso water saved some creatures"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">google 'chicxulub crater'\n>shit brix"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\nthat one weird fish, Coelacanth, that was it!"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni always wondered what this was"}, {"id": 22, "content": "this is probabbly the thread for this question\nif there is some paleontologist here can you attest or denounce the credibility of this series?\ni would think if they went as far as this and got Attenborough on board narrating just like one of his godtier nature series, that they did everything possible to assure it was as accurate as possible in every possible way. But i don'tknow.."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Coelacanth\n!!"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou want to know what i think?\nThe Hobbit is fucking garbage cncer compared to the passionte endeavour The Lord of the Rings set out to be and this godforsaken planet shall be doomned forever despite your inferior pathetic cretin appaling disguised unfortunate oppinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nwow"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDinosaurs went extinct because of mosquitos. The meteorite is a made up story.."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nRats and small mammals. Hu,ans are descended from those small mammals which took refuge in the ground."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n7that is so insane\nbecause you'd go from the most apocalyptic insanity, most unimaginable destruction to the most unimaginable small force of destruction on a microscopic scale.\nJust say what lets mosquitos from murdering even a single human individual if they lead to the extinction to the existence of the most insane forms of life to ever exist"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nwhat's this have to do even anything with dinosaurs?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So the Apostles hijacked all of these Tanakh verses that were originally about Israel and applied them to their cult leader Jesus in an attempt to falsely fulfill the prophecies and turn him into the Messiah?\n\n>Exodus 4:22\nThen you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.\n\n>Hosea 11:1\nWhen Israel was a youth I loved him,\nAnd out of Egypt I called My son.\n\n>Isaiah 41:8\n“But you, Israel, My servant,\nJacob whom I have chosen,\nDescendant of Abraham My friend\n\n>Isaiah 53:11\nBy His knowledge the Righteous One,My Servant (Israel), will justify the many,For He will bear their wrongdoings.\n\n>Hosea 6:2\nHe will revive us (Israel) after two days;He will raise us up on the third day,That we may live before Him."}, {"id": 2, "content": "sad"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Hosea 6:2\nJust made me Christian, tf"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYahweh will raise up and exalt Israel on the third day."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho’s the dude on the right wiping his nose on the big J’s dress? Seems sacrilegious"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes! Idk why more tradcaths see this. Most of the time their whole argument is older equals more true. So they should think like you and be Jewish."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>My Servant (Israel), will justify the many,For He will bear their wrongdoings\nSO true! The state of Israel is justifying so many people by bearing so many wrongdoings :-)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nRabbinic Judaism is not the same as second temple Judaism, in fact it was created/innovated by the exile community after the destruction of the temple as a negation of Christianity."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll Old Testament. Irrelevant."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nWhy?\nIt just seems like poetic language for an Israel being destroyed and under siege to me\nIdk how miraculous the 'revive' language is though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nJesus rose on the third day"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>11\nInteresting how Christians claimed to be the \"real Jews\" and \"New Jerusalem\" and then in 1948 God went and literally gave the Jews back Israel and the actual Jerusalem, lmao."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYet no temple. Lmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWhat makes you think it won't happen?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhen the Jews under Julian attempted to rebuild the temple, God tore open the earth and destroyed it"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">14927774\n>Jews were right all along\nWhich Jews, they all disagree.\n>So the Apostles hijacked\nNo they applied.\n>all of these Tanakh verses that were originally about Israel\nSauce: Seething Pharisees.\n>and applied them to their leader, Jesus the Christ\nYes!\n\nAnd how does this mean “Jews” are right\nRabbinic Jews (Pharisees) had to write the Talmud to cope with their 2nd temple being nuked.\nSamaritans are 800 dudes who worship on a mountainside and they have wildly differences views of the old testament to pharisee Jews.\nAnd then you Karite Jews who also have wildly differences views of the old testament to pharisee Jews and they don’t except the Talmud.\nNote: the vast majority of Jews are the Pharisee Talmudic Jews"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nJust read the verses in the OP. They're all about Israel, not about the Messiah or Jesus."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nThis\nAnon (>>12) BTFO.\n\n>>13\n>It….it will happen soon….j….just….just two more weeks.\nOkay nerd.\nAlso how do you cope with with the UTTER STATE of “Israel” atm, objectively and self proclaimed the gayest country in the Middle East, a nation who’s laws operate in direct defiance of God’s Law and Jews can’t even pull this Christian card of “oh nahhh levitical law no longer applies cause of the new covenant”."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>They're all about Israel, not about the Messiah or Jesus.\n>Sauce: Seething Pharisees.\nNEXT!"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Christianity is just a lie, developed by Paul by combining Jewish ideas with Greek ones from Plato and Philo. Then you end up with Trinity retardation, modeled after the Monad, Demiurge, and Sophia."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>t. Gnostic\n*instantly ignored*"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nPlato and Philo wrote before the New Testament, retard Christcuck."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Plato and Philo wrote before the New Testament\nI didn’t deny they did.\nPlease link me to a post where I claim that, if you can’t I suggest you fuck off back to plebbit.\nI will wait."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nWhat, you can't read the words from your own Bible right in front of you. You see the word \"Israel\" and your Jeebus goggles turn into \"Jesus\"."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nOk, wait right there, I'll have it by the time Jesus returns in 2 more weeks."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nChristianity being influenced by contemporary philosophers makes it a lie?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhy does God rely on philosophers to explain him? I thought the Holy Spirit was supposed to be revealing everything to the NT writers. Also Paul says not to spoil yourself with philosophy, then he goes and does that very thing."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>NOOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO READ IT LITERALLY, LIKE A GRUG-BRAIN LIKE ME.\nNah.\n“Israel” is used to mean Jesus as well as the nation that is Christendom, Christ and his kingdom are the Israel of God.\n\n>Hosea 11:1\n>When Israel was a youth I loved him,\nAnd out of Egypt I called My son.\nHis son = Jesus Christ\n\n>Isaiah 41:8\n>“But you, Israel, My servant,\n>Jacob whom I have chosen,\n>Descendant of Abraham My friend\nChrist is obviously of the line of David so a descendant of Abraham, in addition\n>Galatians 3:16\n>To Abraham were the promises made and to his seed. He saith not, And to his seeds, as of many: but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.\n>Galatians 3:27-29\n>For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.\n\n>Isaiah 53:11\n>By His knowledge the Righteous One,My Servant (Israel), will justify the many,For He will bear their wrongdoings.\nChrist took on the sins of the world upon himself, unless are you implying the current state of “Israel” is responsible for all the wars in the world."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nLmao, that was too easy, is THIS the best Reddit has to offer?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo%27s_view_of_God#The_Logos\n\nFucking faggot braindead Christcuck. So glad you're going to never see Jesus return and die unfulfilled like all Christcucks in history before you."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>“Israel” is used to mean Jesus\n\nHaha, keep telling yourself that"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nLmao stay mad.\nI may not live to see the 2nd coming but I am very comfortable with that it’s not something expect to see given the current signs, however I get to go through life knowing God loves me and I have free real estate in your brain. Feelsgood.jpeg"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>*no counter-argument*\nChecks out."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJew Jesus is a Jew so He is right. Good to know. Thanks for verifying."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\n>Christ is obviously of the line of David\n\nOh he is? Joseph is from the line of David, but Joseph is not Jesus' biological father, only a stepfather. And Mary is nowhere in the Bible said to be from David. So how can Jesus be from the line of David? Uh oh, looks like we uncovered a plot hole.\n\nHaha, get ready to eat shit Christfaggot."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nNah, your made up Trinity does not love you. You get to go through life seething at people who don't believe in your imaginary friend, that's why you came to this thread, it was eating away at you."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\ngay"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>28\n>His son = Jesus Christ\n\nExodus 4:22\nthe Lord says: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.\n\nHahahahaha! You are so fucking stupid! It's embarrassing!"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nNot that anon but I really need to improve my Biblical knowledge"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>8\n>>20\nrabbinic Judaism was just as much influenced by Greek pedagogery"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does anyone else think that the \"immaculate conception\" and \"Virgin Mary\" was just a lie that some lady told to explain why she got pregnant under mysterious circumstances 2000 years ago? I mean, it seems ridiculous. It's clearly a bullshit explanation from some harpy that got waaaaay out of control, right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot only was she a virgin, she stayed one her entire life. Seethe"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI suppose you are saying Jesus' siblings were also conceived of the Holy Spirit then? That's pretty out there."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSo what did Joseph do? Must’ve been intensely frustrating"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore likely it's some nonsense that was mad up way after Jesus was long dead (if he even existed) to add clout to his backstory because the concept of a virgin birth is an older story from far older religions"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Does anyone else think that the \"immaculate conception\" and \"Virgin Mary\" was just a lie that some lady told to explain why she got pregnant under mysterious circumstances 2000 years ago?\n\n\nYES: OTHER IMPIOUS INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF.\n\nPOSING COMMONSENSICAL QUESTIONS REGARDING A MYSTERY, WITHOUT EVEN ATTEMPTING TO UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERY, DOES NOT MAKE YOU SEEM INTELLIGENT: IT MAKES YOU APPEAR A CRETIN."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImmaculate Conception refers to Saint Ann bearing Mary, you dope!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust because they missed the solstices' deliveries by two weeks you hate pagans?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "can someone give me a brief rundown on frankism and the khazars?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrankism refers to the religious and spiritual movement that emerged in Poland in the 18th century, led by Jacob Frank. The Frankists claimed to be a continuation of the teachings of the Jewish mystical tradition of Kabbalah, but with radical reinterpretations and additions. Frank and his followers believed in a form of antinomianism, which rejected traditional Jewish law and encouraged indulgence in sinful behaviors as a way of achieving spiritual liberation. Frankism caused controversy and was denounced by mainstream Jewish communities as heretical.\n\nThe Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who ruled a large empire in the Caucasus and Central Asia from the 7th to the 10th centuries. In the 8th century, the Khazar ruler Bulan converted to Judaism, and Judaism became the state religion of the Khazar Empire. The Khazar conversion to Judaism is a historical topic of debate, and it is unclear how many Khazars actually converted to Judaism and to what extent their conversion influenced the development of Judaism in Eastern Europe. Some historians have suggested that the Khazar connection to Judaism may have influenced the emergence of Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, including the Ashkenazi Jews. However, this theory remains controversial and is not universally accepted by scholars."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">worth 20 modern day biggest corporations, profits measuring in trillions\n>owns biggest merchant fleet in the world\n>has its own army\n>has millions of foreign people under their thumb, enslaves them, genocides them, deforestates their lands\n\nIt's crazy and terrifying something like this existed in 17th century. This is capitalism in its purest, rawest form."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is deforestation on par with genocide"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nIT WAS ATHEISTIC MERCANTILISM, NOT CAPITALISM; CAPITALISM WAS INVENTED IN THE LATE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nboth are expressions of the conquered islands being dramatically transformed at the company's will"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This is capitalism in its purest, rawest form.\nHow did they do this before capitalism was invented?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/LtP5lSQgll8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe're going to see this kind of company again if asteroid mining ends up being achievable."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Imagine being a fat accountant for the company living in a cozy cabin, just sitting on your ass eating sausages fried in rendered beaver tail fat and slamming tight raw indian pussy in exchange for a bottle or two of fire water. All because you know how to count, write, and basic math."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow will Mars colonization look?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did God spawn Josephs seed into Mary so that he'd have an easier time bonding with his (not) son or did God use a custom seed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod used God's seed."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Conceived of the holy spirit\nVirgin birth"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nwrong.\n\nMary had an affair with a Roman soldier, making Jesus real name Rabbi Yeshua ben Pantera."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nShalom!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nthe Holy Ghost is God, the Holy Spirit is Satan.\n>>5\n\"G\" for God, and \"S\" for Satan."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThey didn't use Hebrew names in the street, you lying faggot!\n\nHebrew then was like Latin is now.\nPeople were speaking Aramaic and Greek.\n\nHebrew had fallen out of use by the time Christ had been born. Relegated to a liturgical language."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nProve it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>About 177 AD the Greek philosopher Celsus, in his book ‘The True Word’, expressed what appears to have been the consensus Jewish opinion about Jesus, that his father was a Roman soldier called Pantera.\n\n>In 1859 a gravestone surfaced in Germany for a Roman soldier called Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera, whose unit Cohors I Sagittariorum had served in Judea before Germany – romantic historians have hypothesized this to be Jesus’ father, especially as ‘Abdes’ (‘servant of God’) suggests a Jewish background."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's more likely, a woman lied to her husband about who cucked her or God himself decided to bang a teenage girl in order to sacrifice her / his son, as himself, to himself in order to forgive his own creation himself. See how that's completely retarded?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat would make sense as for why the genealogy record bothers to record a genealogy for Joseph as if that would have been part of Jesus's genealogy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone find it strange that God can die, come back to life, and fly to heaven; but he had to come forth from some woman's vagina? Not a lil fishy? Dont you think? Ill let you be the judge"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt's an astrological parable, of course it doesn't make sense when you take it literally"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nG-D fucked Mary, yes She came."}, {"id": 15, "content": "The holy spirit overshadowed Mary and she gave birth. All religions agree on this."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>All religions agree on this.\nYou mean all Christians agree on this?\nAlso all Christians don't agree on Mary. You know that Immaculate Conception, the Assumption, Mary’s perpetual virginity, and the role of Mary as intercessor aren't ideas shared by Protestants, right?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nprotestants 100% believe in the immaculate conception bro"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNot the belief that Mary herself was conceived without original sin, which is important to the Catholic conception of Jesus's immaculate conception. I should've been more specific there"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>aren't ideas shared by Protestants,\nwho cares anyway, they are heretics, and will burn in Hella lands"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYou're the one who said \"all religions\"\n\nIt's also kind of hilarious how different Christian sects are so sure other Christian sects will burn forever. Kind of makes you think..."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nYes they are. Actual protestants not atheist petty fools. I pity the fool. It's more like a nod between christians that all these are true."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>10\ni'd fuck her"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI was raised in a Protestant household. Our pastor mocked Catholics for \"praying to the idol of Mary.\" Also the Catholic idea of \"Mary's perpetual virginity\" completely contradicts the Bible itself:\n>Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56).\nHow can Mary be a virgin if Jesus had brothers and sisters?\n\nThe point is Christians don't all agree on this stuff."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\n>G-D fucked Mary, yes She came.\nthis"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nWhat's God's bloodtype?\nWhat's His haplogroup?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\nPresumably Jesus had DNA\nWhat do you think his X-chromosome and paternal stuff looked like?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nY-chromosome* I know shit about biology"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">another Panthera thread"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>17\nThe immaculate conception refers to Anne conceiving Mary, you idiot!\nRoman Catholicism by the late 1800s AD tried to apply the birth without sin status to Mary's birth."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe holy spirit transformed the ovum of Mary into a zygote into a single istant.\nThe second part of Jesus's genetic code was created directly by God and does not come from any other human being."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Whose seed entered Mary's womb?\nMine."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho cares? The story is metaphor."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTHE HOLY SPIRIT ENTERED MARY'S BODY, AND CATALYZED PARTHENOGENESIS."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>3\n>>>/x/"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">why did I waste all that time chasing \"nirvana\" instead of following Jesus?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou think your effeminate desert demon can protect you from the wrath and might of GOTT?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>I'm sorry YHWH!!!! I accept you as the true G-d!!!! I promise I won't rape Greek women and Trojan boys anymore!!!!!!!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>rape Trojan boys\nSemitic projection, a cruel fate awaits ye\n>zeus\nBahaha, the christcuck fears our lord's true name"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe guy who was born 500 years after buddha died?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nWhy are Semites so artistically inept? They rely on Aryan toys (\"AI\") as a crutch for their artistic inferiority. why does their demon lord scorn them so?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRabbi Yeshua ben Pantera was not a real person."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>rape Trojan boys\n>Semitic projection\n\n>Ganymede who was comeliest of mortal men; wherefore the gods carried him off to be Zeus' cupbearer, for his beauty's sake, that he might dwell among the immortals.\nHomer, Iliad 20:233-35\n\n>Boy-love is a delight, since even the son of Cronus, King of the gods, once came to love Ganymede, And seizing him, brought him up to Olympus and made him Eternal in the lovely flower of boyhood\nTheognis 1341-50\n\n>Sophocles in Women of Colchis said of Ganymede that he lit the fire of tyrant Zeus with his thighs.\nAthenaeus 13.601\n\n>After the lover has spent some time doing this, staying near the boy (and even touching him during sports and on other occasions), then the spring that feeds the stream Zeus named ‘Desire’ when he was in love with Ganymede begins to flow mightily in the lover\nPlato, Phaedrus 255\n\n>And we are unanimous in accusing the Cretans of fabricating the story of Ganymede: because they believed that their laws had come from Zeus, they have also attached this story to the god, thinking that they could reap the fruit of this pleasure and say they were following the god’s example.\nPlato, Laws 636\n\n>I sing of boys loved by the gods, and girls stricken with forbidden fires, deserving punishment for their lust. The king of the gods once burned with love for Phrygian Ganymede, and to win him Jupiter chose to be something other than he was. Yet he did not deign to transform himself into any other bird, than that eagle, that could carry his lightning bolts. Straightaway, he beat the air with deceitful wings, and stole the Trojan boy, who still handles the mixing cups, and against Juno’s will pours out Jove’s nectar.\nOvid, Metamorphoses 10:143-219\n\n>And, though we pass over love for women, to which nature\ngives more freedom, who doubts what the poets mean to say about the\nrape of Ganymede\nCicero, Tusculan Disputations 4.70-1"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe buddha reached nivrana tho, contrary to the jews"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThe pathetic Christcuck confuses his own lust for that of friendship between men. Meanwhile your djinn reveals himself to man as a criminal and catamite"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nCatamite is literally the Latinisation of 'Ganymede'. Also since when did 'friendship between men' involve 'eros' instead of 'philia'? And why do they talk constantly about the beauty of the younger boy? And what 'friendship' can exist between a God and a kidnapped mortal? And why are the poets talking about it in the same context as Zeus' illicit conquest of mortal women? Stop trying to cope and REPENT."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou see what you want to Christcuck It's in your nature as a Semite.\n>Stop trying to cope and REPENT.\nThe only one coping are the semites who invented sodomy"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nOf course you are in denial when you turn your back on Truth."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYour effeminate race has no claim to truth. even know you subvert our myths with your own homosexual worldview."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNot that anon, but the Greeks would crush your skull between their thighs for denying the role manly love played in their culture. You’re the one haunted by Semite morals, which you project onto the noble Greeks. Nietzsche himself said that it was part of the reason they were so great. Convert to Christianity and circumcise yourself, slave"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBAHAHA, the semite retreats to his natural subversive tactics! a cruel fate awaits you in vahalla!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only reason Christianity exists is the threat of eternal punishment Jesus insisted on for those who would not blindly believe he was indeed a living God and not just another Messianic sorcerer in the same vein as Simon Magus / John the Baptist. Fear is the bedrock of Christianity, not love or genuine faith, meaning that it's impossible to meaningfully argue with Christians because, deep down, they're all terrified that if they even consider just how self-contradictory the scriptures actually are they'll burn forever. It's some sad pathetic shit. Christianity is truly a disgusting mind virus"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven your ai program couldn't create an image of the serene Lord Buddha suffering. But it has no issue creating images of your rabbi Yeshua suffering. Weird!"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Every knee shall bend"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whether they be democratic, oligarchic, or dictatorial republics, I don't think the majority of humanity will ever live under monarchies again."}, {"id": 2, "content": "yes currently only the muslims and their charia is the alternative to republicanism.\n\nThere may be China, but nobody really knows what the top civil servants in China want to do.\n\nTHe ting is that republicanism is jsut a power grab byt he merchants and civil servants, and those people control the entire life of he peasants to this day, both the intellectual life and the material life, so you can be sure they will still be there in 1 or 2 centuries\n\nAnd even the muslims love the material life of the republicans, so it's not clear they are real contenders."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Corinthian War wasn't about City-States' rights, it was about slavery."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Punic Wars were about Infanticide\nWomen's rights to kill kids"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">thought the whole people being killed with glasses in cambodia thing was some weird esoteric history joke\n>look into it\n>no it literally is what happened\nwhat the fuck"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">could've gotten away with even more if they weren't autistic retards that thought they could take on the Vietnamese army as well"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>damn nigga, we really caught you slippin"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI work with this lazy obnoxious old Cambodian retard who had to flee after his dad was executed by the Khmer Rouge and I kinda wish they'd caught him. Does this make me a bad person?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInsane people often need glasses.\nhttps://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/45/3/571/5036511"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt makes a lot more sense when glasses identifies you as an intellectual and an urbanite to revolutionary peasants."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s hard to describe to somebody who’s only ever lived in Europe or the US/Canada just how poor Asian countries were up until very recently. 90% of people literally didn’t own a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. If you had glasses it meant that you A. Lived in a major city, as there wasn’t exactly an abundance of eye doctors in the mud hut villages. Those places were lucky to have a traveling doctor come around every once in a while. And B. You had the money to pay for both an eye exam and the glasses themselves. Glasses weren’t and still aren’t cheap.\n\nIn short, only the at least semi-wealthy could afford glasses, so it was a dead giveaway that you weren’t part of the “proletariat”."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nGRIM"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWhy did they also kill people with sunglasses though?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nYou’d think humanity would just evolve to have better eyes at some point. It seems like a pretty important trait"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWe are not meant to live this long.\nI'm 35, I'd probably be dead already if this was the paleolithic."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are you even shocked? You can easily find people online who sincerely think things like, people with baldness, any woman who has an Instagram acount, all Christians or atheists should be genocided in whatever perfect utopia they believe in."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Khmer Rouge was the closes thing that ever happened to the anti-tech revolution envisioned by Ted Kazcynski."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nNear-sightedness is usually a result of not getting enough sunlight as a kid. Which is the real reason most people with glasses in the past were bookworms, but back then people assumed reading is what hurt your eyes."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe history of communism is great. Western intellectuals who have never worked a day in their life come up with abstruse theories about how society should be run and then barely literate third worlders put those theories into practice in the most violent ways possible."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nsocial antagonisms can't be reduced to a \"mad leader\", reality is that in most cases the people getting killed were people like kulaks and landlords who a lot of peasants understandably viewed as exploiters and wanted gone, or wanted revenge on\nand in the Cambodian case there was a blaming of cities for the country's social ills, so the mass support was for the killing of \"new people\" instead"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nAnd then the millions die and no one bats an eye. That shit is so baffling to me. How could anyone continue doing what they're doing after it killed hundreds of thousands human beings? How come no one tried to stage a coup to overthrow the murderous asshole who's clearly off his rocker? Why didn't the people who were getting slaughtered like cattle rebel and try to take at least a couple of their butchers with them? Why did the world just sit there and watch?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Western intellectuals who have never worked a day in their life\nIntellectual work is work. This includes Comrade Gonzalo, a tenured professor."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nI was mostly talking about Cambodia's case, were the majority of the genocided wealthy? And in general, killing that many intelligent people should've been an obvious no-no, if not to Pol Pot then to someone amongst his inner circle. At the very least making the former bourgeoisie work instead of murdering them and throwing their asses into ditch would've been more efficient, no?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nSome people were born to be massacred\n>literally me btw"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRemember it could happen again! You are not immune to human retardation."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>shining path apologist is back\nEvery time you post I'm becoming more and more convinced you're one of the greatest baiters in the history of this board"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nno, but they were urban or recently urban. Cities vs. countryside is an ancient antagonism and Cambodian ideology of the time cranked it up massively\nalso in a lot of cases it was working them to death, not just shooting them, or only shooting them once they got too weak"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nHow would you hold people who write shitty ideologies accountable? If the ideology sucked so hard, why did you try to implement it?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">I'm sorry for imprisoning the Pope please God let me go I promise I won't ever sin again PLEASE *screams*"}, {"id": 2, "content": "that dang Rabbi Yeshua ben Pantera and his stepdad Yahweh."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Pope Sergius III didn’t just kill the Pope prior to him, but he also killed the pope before that, timing his arrival to reign perfectly. He then used his power to set up his son, Pope John XI, fathered by his 15-year-old prostitute mistress, to be Pope twenty years after him.\n\nMy point is, the office of the Pope has been filled with corrupt cunts throughout its history. Even in recent times, Popes have spent more energy covering up pedophilia scandals and moving predator priests around the globe than actually addressing any of the church's problems.\nhttps://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/europe/pope-benedict-xvi-munich-abuse-report-catholic-church-intl/index.html\n\nA \"Pope\" isn't innately holy. In fact, they rarely are. So who gives a shit what Napoleon did to one?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShouldn't you shake the dust off your feet and go to Church instead of exposing your eyes to heretical sites like this? You wouldn't be....a fake Christian, would you?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jews owe Napoleon a favor\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Sanhedrin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "To what extent did the crusaders contribute to the levantine genepool?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bout tree fiddy"}, {"id": 3, "content": "OVER 9000!!!!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nIs it a school holiday in America or something?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery little"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "French kings"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngood work"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWasn't louis XV the cunt that said \"after us, the flood\"?\nGreat work"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat happened with jean II and Henri II?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is Louis X represented as a retard? His most noticeable act was to make a law making every slave setting a foot in France a free man, which is pretty cool.\nI don't understand Louis XI either."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharles IV was actually an authoritarian and clever statesman like his father, Philip IV. He also won a couple of minor wars and increased the size of crown lands."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Historylet here.\nIs french history worth learning about?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt's kino of the highest order.\n>Louis III and Charles VIII both died banging their heads on a door's lintel"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nAll of European history after 500 AD is either the history of France or the history of the countries that tried to avoid getting conquered by France, so yeah."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Louis-Philippe\nClassic. I hate him for betraying the Bourbons but even I can't deny those guys were fucking asking for it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo few king in basically over 800 years. Capetingians were long lived i suppose."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharles X wasn't necessarily a complete retard, but he didn't realize that the tide of France was mostly against him due to his ultra-royalist stances in a time where Napoleon had just been deposed a decade prior. His probable terminal-seethe over his bro (Louis XVI) being executed and his rich upbringing probably made him that way"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\n>Jean II\nCame to power during the Black Death, the 100 Year's War began under his reign, where he got captured by the English after the Battle of Poiters. His ransom was set to several years' worth of the French crown's income, and he was allowed to return to France to actually raise that money, but not before sending his second son to England as a hostage.\nAfter his son escaped from England he did the honorable, yet very stupid move of going voluntarily back to English captivity, where he promptly died.\nFrance was devastated after his reign, but Charles V managed to salvage the situation.\n\n>Henri II\nDied a slow and painful death after getting a splinter in his eye during a jousting tournament.\n\n>>11\nThe Capets got really lucky with like 400 years of uninterrupted father->eldest son succession."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGrotesque NAS coal"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the man who ended the wars of religion, after more than 3 decades of civil war, was a brainlet\n?????????????????????????"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nMost kino French history is after 1789."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nthose niggas look ZESTY"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nholy based starting at hugues capet"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were literally half of the presidents from 1945-2000 retarded southern democrats?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "democrats use to care about middle america, think about it, a southern good ol boy......but he's a democrat!\n\nthats like the prefect combo for getting elected"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nmiddle America are democrat unionists and Republican farmers, southerners have fuck all to do with either. Gerald ford literally carried every blue Midwest state in 1976 you oaf."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Corrupt party bosses picking who they liked."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause retarded northern democrats were less popular"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Weeeeelll I don't know how you fancy Yankee cityslickers up north get on with ya fancy \"city machines\", and your \"public sector unions\" and whatnot, but down here, in deep ol' sweet Dixie, we, uh, do things a lil' bit differently y'hear..."}, {"id": 7, "content": "because the democrats (as you may have heard) were really popular down in dixie. there's a lot of electoral votes down south, so if you're running a national campaign you'd want their votes."}, {"id": 8, "content": "The Southern and Northern Democrat parties were two different entities that merely caucused and they didn't have the same mentality or views on how government should operate."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause half the country from 1945-2000 were retarded southern democrats."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nB"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nDavis Lost"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">\"barbaric\" middle ages\n>peasant parents forgive child murderer Gilles de Rais and tearfully pray for him\n>\"enlightened\" present\n>pampered fats constantly crying for blood over social media faux pas"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Western Christianity gives a bunch of navel-gazing monks sainthood (Anselm of Canterbury, etc.)\n>Eastern Christianity gives some random monarchs sainthood just because (Nicholas II's family, etc.)\nIs sainthood a joke?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSt.Anselm did plenty. Great theologian, defender of the Church against the interests of the kings who wanted to control both Church and state, which got him exiled twice. Showing he didnt cuck to the powers of the time, unlike modern churches which are quite tamed.\n\nAs to Nicholas II, its true that his murderers were viciously anti Christianity so he could be called a martyr, and those who die for the faith go to heaven, and canonization means that someone is known to be in heaven."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Bump.\n\n>>2\nWhat St. Anselm did with his stances was the bare minimum thing expected from every clergyman. He didn't do anything extraordinary from them. Nicholas II and his family weren't killed because they're Orthodox, but because they're royalty."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat should qualify for sainthood, if navel-gazing monks are excluded?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nHe didn't die for his faith, he died because he was the Tsar."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nicholas II's\njust by russian orhtodox"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nSt Anselm was a backwards scholastic and you aren’t cool for defending him in 2023."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">lost against the Mongols\n>Nearly lost against Sweden\n>Humiliated against a barely modernized Japan\n>Lost against Germany in 14-17\n>Failed to invade Poland or Finland\n>Would have lost against Germany without the lend lease\n>Failure in Afghanistan\nWas Russia historically a paper tiger?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was Russia historically a paper tiger?\nNope because Russia never had something simmiliar to boxers rebellion"}, {"id": 3, "content": "This meme conveniently omits the fact that Russia BTFO Germany in 1945, Poland in 1939 and was never militarily defeated by USA"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthe military victory in Germany is a plus side, but at the same time trying to say say they beat Poland in 39 is like saying you scored a win against a guy who just got shotgunned blasted by the another guy, it would be impossible not to win in that scenario"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nA report from a German officer in 1941 who went to the Eastern front and he basically noted about Soviet artillery:\nEither it doesn't hit anything at all or it's EXTREMLY deadly"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt certainly wasn't in 1945\n\nOtherwise one has to wonder why the west decided to give all of eastern Europe to the USSR"}, {"id": 7, "content": "One thing I saw someone on another forum remark about the Russians/Soviets is that they basically have an eternal pattern when they go to war:\n\n1. They go in gung ho, undersupplied, understaffed, drunk on the belief that victory is assured\n2. They get their asses handed to them, suffer massive casualties\n3. They pull back a bit, lick their wounds, keep dying on the fringes\n4. The commanders in charge of the initial, poorly planned military campaign are killed and replaced\n5. Commanders who know what the fuck they're doing shove their way into positions of control\n6. Armed forces are reorganized, get their shit together\n7. They start to win\n8. Dark Siberian bloodlust overcomes them, they merge this with superior generalship to rape everything in their path\n\nAnd it's kind of a thing the Russians have done from regime to regime, and even into the Soviet era.\n\nBasically, if you are fighting the Russians, you'd better hope you knock them out of the fight early on in the game, because they have a habit of respawning with buffs."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>Poland in 1939\nTruly a victory of note"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>Either it doesn't hit anything at all or it's EXTREMLY deadly\nThat's all artillery"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n\nFunny enough, the British were convinced that Poland was stronger than the Soviet Union at the time."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nHow'd that work out in Afghanistan and Chechnya round 1?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI find this hard to believe"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n\nNot when you take into account:\n\n>Polish winning the early Soviet-Polish war in 1920.\n>Soviets being a close society that was notoriously hard to get info from.\n>Being unable to grasp the scale of soviet industrialization."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSerious answer:\nWestern powers often overestimated Russia becaus they have a long tradition of propaganda (going back to the Potemkin village) and silencing dissent. So they often put up a face of strength and competence and mask weaknesses. Same story with China btw.\n\nIt's no wonder that the two times Russia was severely underestimated, it was by two narcissistic dictators, Napoleon and Hitler, who had their own issues of the same sort. And Hitler was half-right: he correctly guessed that the Russian military will be incompetent, but was wrong about the extent the US will aid Russia and how much suffering the people will be able to endure without rebelling."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nSoviet union won the Winter War."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nThis was only true in WW2.\n\nIn WW1 they started out pretty good, surprising the Central Powers with early offensives and quicker mobilization than anyone expected. But than they ran out of steam and lost their morale.\n\nThe Russo-Japanese war was a shitshow all the way, in the Crimean war they did great initially against the Turks until Western troops arrived and they started to lose. They beat Napoleon with a consistent strategy and they didn't rape and destroy when they got to Paris."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n\nInterestingly, the Russo-Japanese could have ended in a Russian victory by endurance had they kept fighting for a couple of more months. The war was very taxing for the fledging Japanese economy and by the time of the peace talk they had barely any bargaining power left. What the Japanese finally got was little better than a stalemate"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThey wanted to take over Finland and had to settle for Karelia. Great victory indeed."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nearly lost\n>Would have lost\nImagine having to put this shit in an attempt to cherrypick, lmao"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNearly lost against Sweden who was vastly outnumbered. Nothing to be proud of."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\n>Polish winning the early Soviet-Polish war in 1920.\nThey didn't win though. They attacked Russia while it was weakened, marched unopposed all the way to Kiev, got pushed all the way back to Warsaw, survived only due to a miracle, and ended the war in more or less the same place they started in."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Nearly lost"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>They attacked Russia while it was weakened\nPoland was weak at the time as well\nAlso\n>They attacked\nSource?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nThe Soviet westward offensives of 1917 to 1919 were wars of aggression.\nThey wanted to completely invade Poland but failed."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo be fair, everyone lost against the Mongols except for Japan and Europe, whom the Mongols weren't really interested in."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>11\nWorked in Chechnya pt 2, worked so well in fact Kadyrov betrayed the Chechens and eternally cucked the republic to Russia)))))"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\n>They attacked Russia while it was weakened\nVatniks deserve every evil given to them for their lies."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nYou're referring to the victory against Germany brought by intervention from the USA, before which they got fucked over in any way possible?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>11\nChechnya is literally the perfect example of what he's talking about, you can't just exclude round 2 lol"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia was always terrible at war"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>22\nsimilar to Napoleon and Hitler Karl XII was crushing the russian forces but the war was too drawn out, far away from home, low on supplies as Peter the great burned down his own villages rather then having them captured, cold winter etc. both Russia and Sweden lost an equal amount of soldiers to the cold as in battle."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would have lost against Germany without the lend lease\n\nNo, it would not you dumb fuck. Quit parroting this myth."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nAre you fucking retarded? What intervention, you fucking cretin? The one in Normandy in the mid of 1944, back when Germshits were already retreating on the eastern front, and victory for the USSR was assured?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nAmericans are permabutthurt because they were just the supporting character of WWs, so they cope a lot."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nNo, he's probably talking about the combined effort in North Africa, Italy and Western Europe that ultimately accounted for 40 percent of the German army and 50 percent of their Airforce. Combine that with the mobile counter-offensives in 1943 simply not happening without Lend-Lease aid and the Russians (The Soviet Union was a Russian empire that pretended to be otherwise) would have lost."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>7\n>3. They pull back a bit, lick their wounds, keep dying on the fringes\n4. The West gives them endless resources. If not, they die of hunger and cannibalism."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>that ultimately accounted for 40 percent of the German army\n\nNo. 80% of German army did on the eastern front\n\nand 50 percent of their Airforce.\n\nIrrelevant. Germs already had 90% of the Luftwaffe on the eastern front between 1941-1943, and it didn't help them at all. Also, terror bombing cities like Dresden does not win wars.\n\n>Combine that with the mobile counter-offensives in 1943 simply not happening without Lend-Lease\n\nIt would happen regardless, and the Lend lease wasn't even a decisive factor on the eastern front."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>>German deployments to the Western Front (plus Italy) reached levels as high as approximately 40% of their ground forces, and 75% of the Luftwaffe. During 1944, there were approximately 69 German divisions in France, in Italy, there were around 19. (Approximate data is given because the number of units changed over time as a result of troop transfers and the arrival of new units.) Keegan, John (1990). The Second World War.\n\nI've heard that the German Airforce was closer to a 50-50 split between fronts elsewhere. That said though, this doesn't seem like a \"supporting character\" to me, bud."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\ndied*"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Keegan, John\nWait...Is he seriously trying to count the fractions by raw number of division?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThe war was won on the eastern front, and Americans wouldn't even get involved in Europe had it not been for the shitler declaring war against them."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\n>>unknown percent of the Germany army died on the Eastern Front.\nA misleading figure that does not take POWs into account when determining casualty figures.\n>>Irrelevant. Germs already had 90% of the Luftwaffe on the eastern front between 1941-1943, and it didn't help them at all.\nFalse. Air strikes and interdiction caused the Soviets serious problems during the initial German offensives.\n>>Also, terror bombing cities like Dresden does not win wars.\nActually irrelevant because I'm not even mentioning terror bombing.\n>>It would happen regardless, and the Lend lease wasn't even a decisive factor on the eastern front.\nNo it wouldn't because the soviets would simply not have the ability to do so without it. And it was absolutely a decisive factor because they would have not been able to feed, fuel, or transport their armies without it.\n\nNo Western Allied invasions and American Lend-Lease means the Russians lose, simple as that."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown\nNice inaccurate figures.\n\n>>More than 2.8 million German soldiers surrendered on the Western Front between D-Day (June 6, 1944) and the end of April 1945; 1.3 million between D-Day and March 31, 1945;[1] and 1.5 million of them in the month of April.[2] From early March, these surrenders seriously weakened the Wehrmacht in the West, and made further surrenders more likely, thus having a snowballing effect. On March 27, Dwight D. Eisenhower declared at a press conference that the enemy were a whipped army.[3] In March, the daily rate of POWs taken on the Western Front was 10,000;[4] in the first 14 days of April it rose to 39,000,[5] and in the last 16 days the average peaked at 59,000 soldiers captured each day.[a] The number of prisoners taken in the West in March and April was over 1,800,000,[7] more than double the 800,000 German soldiers who surrendered to the Russians in the last three or four months of the war.[8] One reason for this huge difference, possibly the most important, was that German forces facing the Red Army tended to fight to the end for fear of Soviet captivity whereas German forces facing the Western Allies tended to surrender without putting up much if any resistance. Accordingly, the number of Germans killed and wounded was much higher in the East than in the West.[b]\n\n>>The Western Allies also took 134,000 German soldiers prisoner in North Africa,[10] and at least 220,000 by the end of April 1945 in the Italian campaign.[10] The total haul of German POWs held by the Western Allies by April 30, 1945, in all theatres of war was over 3,150,000, rising in northwest Europe to 7,614,790 after the end of the war.[11]\n\nUnfortunately for you, POWs taken count as losses."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nPOWs count as casualties too, and Luftwaffe did not stop Operations like Uranus or Saturn.\n\nSoviets were already conducting massive offensives in 1941, and 1942 without Lend Lease. They won that war alone, this is a fact."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>A misleading figure that does not take POWs into account when determining casualty figures.\nAnd so you make it even more misleading by counting the mass surrenders once allies were already deep inside Germany and Wehr made documentable efforts to surrender to Americans instead of soviets?\n>they would have not been able to feed, fuel, or transport their armies without it.\nThats just assertion without evidence. From what I remember, the amount for supplied food would be barely 1-2% calories and ~2-5% protein; Soviet army would certainly not starve without the food, but there would be some suffering for non-productive fraction of civilians."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nPows taken in the last week of the war do not count as legit casualties. Germans were literally fleeing the Red army just to surrender to the Americans."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>inaccurate\nSays January 1945 you butthurt retard."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>They won that war alone, this is a fact.\n\nBut they did not fight alone, and it was in fact a team effort whether you want to admit it or not."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>>Soviets were already conducting massive offensives in 1941, and 1942 without Lend Lease.\nOffensives which only succeeded because the Germans were hamstrung by severe winter weather they were unprepared for. Soviet summer offensives in the summer months only started working once they were supplied by the US.\n\n>They won that war alone, this is a fact.\nNot really no.\n\n>>45\nAgain, 40 percent of the German army and 50 percent of the German airforce was committed against the Americans, British etc, from 1943 onward. What you remember doesn't mean much, it's a simple fact that Russian counter-offensives did not start succeeding in the warm months until they were being supplied by the USA.\n\n>>46\n>>they don't count for reasons!\nSo the millions of Germans who were Fighting the western powers in Western and Southern Europe, along with North Africa, don't count because they only surrendered at the end of the war? Yeah no, that's bullshit."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nIf we want to talk about the supporting characters instead of main heroes, Then tell OP to rephrase \"against Germany\" to \"against Germany, Hungary, Finnland, Austria, Romania, Slovakia, Croatia, Italy, Spain and passive support from BM protectorate, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium\"."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nThe offensives were working in 1941 at Moscow, and at Stalingrad in 1942, stop making excuses. The counter-offensive in ate aftermath of Kursk was also conducted mostly by Russian logistics. Soviets had more fucking trucks than Germans, and were in fact much more motorized than them."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>40 percent of the German army\nWhat is the methodology behind this number?\n> that Russian counter-offensives did not start succeeding\nRussian counteroffensive started succeeding after Russians retook initiative, which was after Germans over extended themselves. The main failure of German operation was in German startegic planning which counted on fragility of Communist regime in face of catastrophic losses suffered during 1941 and overall underestimation of how much forces are Soviets capable of raising. They did not predicted they will fight this kind of war of attrition.\n\nAlso the failure of 1942 Kharkov offensive falls solely on the head of Stalin being retarded and interfering with the operation. He stopped interfering with military planning afterwards, so the counteroffensive were more succesful."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>33\nhmmm I wonder what Stalin had to say about Lend-Lease..."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\n>So the millions of Germans who were Fighting the western powers in Western and Southern Europe, along with North Africa, don't count\nThe germans in western Europe were static divisions who were exploiting western Europe for resources. When you have million of French slaves, you can send hundreds of thousands more Germans to the front."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>Says Stalin\n>Posts Khrushov"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nThe winter counter-offensives were working? Yeah no shit.\n\n>>The counter-offensive in ate aftermath of Kursk was also conducted mostly by Russian logistics.\nNo it wasn't, lend lease was absolutely vital and that would not have been the case if the Russians didn't need the trucks.\n\n>>Soviets had more fucking trucks than Germans, and were in fact much more motorized than them.\nIf that were true, The Germans would have failed to gain land in the summer of 1942, not in the summer of 1943.\n\n>>52\n>What is the methodology behind this number?\nI posted a source upthread.\n\n>>54\nAh yes, the old \"they were weren't the REAL germany military\" canard. False as ever, the Germans had plenty of mobile divisions of sufficient number and strength to defeat the Western Allied forces in front of them, but they just couldn't do it because those nations were actually capable and pushed them back instead.\n\nThe old men and young boys thing doesn't start until 1945."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>I posted a source upthread.\nAnd I asked you about his methodology, since you are fammiliar with the source. From what the excerpt you posted, he is going by raw number of division which would fall into clown territory."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nIt's an approximate number. You get I think around 38 to 42 percent depending on how you calculate the figures, honestly."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>3\n>majority of the war was fought on ukrainian soil\n>majority of the army was ukrainian\n>ukrainians hanged the flag over Berlin\n>Russia BTFO Germany\nok"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nYes it was, Russians had their own trucks too."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Caen\n>Heeresgruppe B had 35 of the divisions to protect a coastline 3,000 mi (4,800 km) long.[19] Half of the infantry divisions were smaller coastal defence or training formations and only about a quarter of the infantry divisions were at full establishment in men and equipment.\nLooks like the facts are pointing in my direction.\n\n>mobile divisions\nIf you look closely, you would find out that half of those were sent West to rebuild after being brutally raped on the Easterm front . Such as 2. Pz Div, 3. motorized, 25. Panzergrenadier, 116. Pz div, 9. Pz div etc."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>>Looks like the facts are pointing in my direction.\nNot really no, since there was a lot more to the German defense in France, Italy and North Africa than some static divisions.\n\n>>half of them weren't veterans\nSo? That is not \"old men and little boys\" that is trained soldiers some of which do not have as much combat experience as others do."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>It's an approximate number. You get I think around 38 to 42 percent depending on how you calculate the figures, honestly.\nIf you dont know how the numbers were calculated, they are worthless. From brief overview, I think they are calculated by raw manpower, that is including reserve and support personel inside Germany and it also doesnt count people who were fighting Soviets outside of Ostfront (e.g. Finnland).\n\n\nHence\n>>unknown\nIs a better estimate that puts the Wehrmacht attrition rate at 60% minimum against Soviets and 25% against allies."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n>>Is a better estimate that puts the Wehrmacht attrition rate at 60% minimum against Soviets and 25% against allies.\nNot really no, because as I mentioned earlier, that estimate does not accurately take POW figures into account."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\n>half of them weren't veterans\nTwisting facts will only make you seem pathetic. It doesnt say they were \"not veterans\"\n>Half of the infantry divisions were smaller coastal defence or training formations and only about a quarter of the infantry divisions were at full establishment in men and equipment.\nIt says that half of units were low quality (static/training) and only 25% of units were at full strenght.\n\n>since there was a lot more to the German defense in France, Italy and North Africa than some static divisions.\nYea, mostly divisions that were destroyed east and sent to rebuilt West."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>35\n>the Russians (The Soviet Union was a Russian empire that pretended to be otherwise)\nthis is what Baltoids actually believe"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>32\nYes it would, without the USA subsidies and military aid, the soviets will collapsed. Germany was recruiting anti- communist slavs and non-russian ethnic minority groups to rise up and fight, Russians would have lost Moscow and Stalin captured and executed, as he wanted to Stay In the capital"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>>Twisting facts will only make you seem pathetic. It doesnt say they were \"not veterans\"\nReferring specifically to the mobile divisions here, they were rebuilt, obviously, that means they were comprised of at least in part by soldiers that were trained but did not have as much experience as others did.\n\n>>It says that half of units were low quality (static/training) and only 25% of units were at full strenght.\nThat's costal infantry divisions and similar such stuff used to defend a static line. Also most military units are never at \"full strength\" ever, because there's always some men out of action for some reason or another, this does not mean as much as you claim it does.\n>>Yea, mostly divisions that were destroyed east and sent to rebuilt West.\nMostly? Not really. Half of the mobile divisions in France maybe, but even that doesn't mean as much as you like to think it does. Trained soldiers are still trained soldiers, even if they aren't veterans of prolonged combat and being a veteran can also be a two-edged sword, due to the effects of things like PTSD on soldiers."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>64\nAnd you were told by multiple people thats a retarded cope. By january 1945, the war was blatantly decided. Thinking that the fact Germans preferred American captivity over Soviet captivity tells us anything relevant is silly."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nIt's actually what every non-vatnik believes."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nAnd those people are wrong, because the fact that said Germans were only added to the official losses pool in 1945 does not change the fact that they were still fighting the US, British, Whoever else for years before that."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>50\nAll of those which don't even make half the economic and military power like the USA, don't kid yourself, without American involvement, Germans would have won in the east, course with heavy casualties"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>68\n>That's costal infantry divisions and similar such stuff used to defend a static line.\nYea, low quality units.\n> but even that doesn't mean as much as you like to think it does\nIt does mean precisely what I think it does. Mobile units on the western front had substantially lower quality than those on the Eastern front. If we look at Tank strenght, then it shows less than 30% tanks on the Western front, using the generous 1,5k number.\n>Mostly? Not really. Half of the mobile divisions in France mayb\nFrom what it looks like, more than half. With some units just being completely green.\n\n>can also be a two-edged sword, due to the effects of things like PTSD on soldiers.\nStupid cope. All the evidence points towards veterans being more combat effective during WW2."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>More cope\nWithout extra manpower from allies, Germans would be spread extremely thin. I know that pophistory does not show Romanians and Hungarians in positive light (since its supposed to make excuses for Germans), but the sheer quantity of auxillaries was critical for Germans to be able to concentrate their heavy hitters. Then you have all the looted resources and slave labour going to Germany, which was much more than the lend lease that went to the Soviets.\n\nIf you want to make vidya style 1:1 matchup, then the war doesnt happen to begin with because Germans simply dont have enough men to think they can win and the war does not start."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>>Yea, low quality units.\nLow quality units that were common both fronts because the Germans had to defend static lines in the east too, so therefore irrelevant.\n\n>>It does mean precisely what I think it does. Mobile units on the western front had substantially lower quality than those on the Eastern front.\nNo they didn't. Germany had a mix of veterans, regulars and guys fresh from basic training on both fronts.\n\n>>From what it looks like more than half\nBased on biased sources no doubt.\n\n>>Stupid cope. All the evidence points towards veterans being more combat effective during WW2.\nAll the evidence in question being highly subjective and prone to individual interpretation. The USSR didn't even care about PTSD, and didn't track it. The Germans might have, the only armies that really studied the effect were the American and British armies that I know of."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nThey werent fighting. They were surrendering. Manhours of fighting are measured in casulties during the time of fighting, not by hordes of volksturm trying to surrender to the right party.\n\nYour argument would make sense only if Western front combat had magically lower lethality so that all of the men involved there could somehow survive to the time of their surrender. When reality points us towards opposite conclusion, that is the OKW tables underestimating lethality of Eastern Front, because German recordkeeping on the Eastern front is notoriously shit (yes, contrary to memes about Germans being punctual)."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nIt's more that Romanian and Hungarian units fought hard against the Russians but tended to surrender very quickly to Americans and British armies by contrast. The same is true of the various foreign volunteer SS units typically. Fight like rabid dogs against the communist Russians, but surrender very quickly when fighting people that aren't communists.\n\nYou can interpret that how you like, but that means if we're going by all axis manpower, then we have to consider the rather obvious fact that what the Russians achieved in eastern Europe was only so hard for them due to their own brutality.\n\nWhy should I or you count the various foreign volunteers who accounted for a substantial chunk of \"German\" forces when those units would likely have just surrendered with little actual fighting if they were facing Americans, British or various other western allied powers?\n\nHow much of the 80% of \"German\" losses you vatnik revisionists like to (erroneously) claim is comprised of people who are irrelevant because they would have quickly surrendered if they were facing anyone other than Soviet Russia?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\n>Based on biased sources no doubt.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_Panzer_Division_(Wehrmacht)\nDuring these fights it suffered mounting losses, and by January 1944 it was reduced to 13 tanks and substantially under-strength infantry and artillery formations. It continued a slow retreat across the Ingulez and the Ingul, until it was pulled out of the fighting in April.[7]\n>and by January 1944 it was reduced to 13 tanks\nPlease show how is this source biased."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nExcept that's wrong, they were fighting, up until 1945 when the general collapse happened. And the fighting in North Africa Italy and France WAS less lethal, because American and Britain really were willing to take more prisoners than Russians were."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>59\nWE"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\n>>A single division that was later rebuilt means most of them were understrength or otherwise incapable.\n\nDumb as fuck."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>43\nLmao by the time the allies got to France the war was over. In fact the German army was spent by the end of 1941, after that victory was not possible it was just a matter of how much time it would take for the soviets to get to Berlin. Who cares if the allies defeated the germs in 1944. The 1944 German Army was not the juggernaut it was during 1939-1941 and it was the soviets who defeated it."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lost against the Mongols\nThey rebelled and kicked the Mongols out on their own\n''Ukraine'' (Kingdom of Galicia Volhynia) meanwhile needed Poland and Lithuania to save them; and got buck broken by them"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>77\n>You can interpret that how you like, but that means if we're going by all axis manpower, then we have to consider the rather obvious fact that what the Russians achieved in eastern Europe was only so hard for them due to their own brutality.\nNow thats what I call mental gymnastics. Like seriously, thats some slimy shit right here.\n\nThey were only \"quickly surrendering\", when the choice was between being in captivity of people they tried to genocide and people from other side of the globe. When they were still fighting Germans with hope for victory in their heart, there were no such mass surrenders. First one had to defeat the enemy and then, only then does the phenomenom of \"quick surrender\" arise.\n\n>revisionists\nAnon. What I am saying is the mainstream history. You are being the revisionist here. Nothing wrong with being the revisionist, but dont lie."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nFalse, brazenly false as has been demonstrated by me in this very thread. You want to know what happened after the Russians resurged in 1941? The Germans launched a highly successful summer offensive. You want to know what happened after the supposed turning point at Stalingrad? The Russians got their asses kicked at the Third Battle of Kharkov.\n\nIt's only after Kursk failed that the Soviets started winning in the summer and that is when the Lend Lease aid starts arriving in large amounts and also when the America, Britain and company start invading Southern Europe with plans to invade Western Europe the year after that, while Germany is being heavily and continuously bombed, too."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nYeah no, they surrendered quickly because they didn't want to fight the US and Britain, their beef was with the Russians and it always had been.\n\nYour the revisionist here, your the one doing mental gymnastics, not me."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>3\nYou mean Russia aided by united states"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>81\n>9th division was sent West to rebuilt\nSo you consider this particular source \"biased\" or not? If not, we can go through more units."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>85\nAnd you want to know what happened after that hugely successful summer offensive? It got stuck on the open steppe with weakened flanks and no way to inflict a decisive strategic victory. Why were the russians asses \"kicked\"? Because they had overrun their logistics after their highly successful counterattack inflicted a decisive strategic victory. 1941 was the only time the Gemans could have won, they didn't because their army was destroyed in Barbarossa and Taifun.\nOperation Blue did fuck all for the germans except destroying and exhausting themselves. LMAO very successful offensive."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nNah I'm done with you and your bullshit. The majority of Germans facing the Western Allies were not incapable old men and young boys, nor were most of them understrength or under-armed. The bullshit you care to pull from your ass or some biased statistic or another means jack and shit to me."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nMind explaining why the Soviets failed at Kharkov then? Oh wait, I know it's because the Germans could still fight in the warmer months and you're actually full of shit about the war being over in 1941 or whatever revisionist BS you care to claim."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>86\n>their beef was with the Russians and it always had been.\nI think I should remind you WW2 started as war between France, Germany and Britain with Germany and SSSR in non-agression pact.\n> they surrendered quickly because they didn't want to fight the US and Britain\nAnon, this is just pathetic. Before April, Soviets held more POWs than Allies. It only shifted in the last two months where ordinary Germans knew their lost but Hitler kept spamming Volksturm units out of desperation."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>18\nI thought the soviet only wanted part of the gulf of finalnd in exchange of some territory in murmansk oblast (which was worthless ) so they could protect leningrad . The finn disagreed and in the end lost more territory plus a part of the gulf of finland anyway"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nOf course the germans could still fight, they could fight until the very end however the Germans were defeated in 1941 because after Moscow they no longer had the resources or capabilities to inflict a decisive defeat on the Soviet Union. That happened because the Soviets, through massive casualties and loses, defeated the army that no one else could and it was done in 1941. It matters little how many Germs the Allies captured, they were a spent force and a shell of their former selves after 1941. Even the victory of Kharkov is a joke compared to the german victories before 1941"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>18\nThey could have taken the whole of Finland in the continuation war. It was not worth the loses so they took what they wanted and left"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>90\n>The majority of Germans facing the Western Allies were not incapable old men and young boy\nThats not what I said, anon. I said \"destroyed in east, rebuilt for west\". If we want to talk children, there was the 12th SS manned by 17 year olds.\n\nYou are purposefully misrepresenting my arguments, because you know I am right and this is your only way of coping."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nAll of this is false, the Germans could have brought the Russians down if they didn't have America and Britain to worry about. The German army in 1941 was not some sort of unstoppable colossus and it would have failed against America and Britain if they had somehow managed to push the Russians beyond the Urals. Nor were the Germans in 1943-1944 a spent force either. They had more second line units, and fewer veterans, but spent force is a ridiculous exaggeration. Kharkov was pretty fucking humiliating for the Russians too, regardless of how pathetic you think it was, the supposedly unstoppable Red Army stopped by a backhand blow."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nRebuilt units are still capable units dude. And 17-18 year olds are young adults by the standards of the time, not children.\n\n>>coping\nYes, that is what you are doing right now."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\n>Rebuilt units are still capable units dude.\nStill capable, but not as capable as those on the Ostfront which was obvious priority for the Heer.\n> And 17-18 year olds are young adults by the standards of the time\nYou started about \"young boys\", those are young boys."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nBut the germans concentrated on the soviet union in 1941 and they couldn't bring it down and the British were unable to stop the Geman Army, not in Norway, not in France, Not in Greece, not in Crete and eventually they stopped them in africa after the main German army was fighting against the Soviet Union no western army could defeat the 1941 german army and it was only destroyed because they bled out from winning. The Americans and the british would not fight to the last man when hopelesly surrounded like the soviets did and it was that kind of mad resistance that bled the 1941 army to death. Also Kharkov is a sidenote, who cares losing Kharkov in 1943 when the soviets had destroyed more than half a million axis troops and liberated the caucasus and the Don. Kharkov would fall eventually i just don't see how hat is an humilliation and even if it was, who cares? it was over for the germans by then."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\n>The German army in 1941 was not some sort of unstoppable colossus and it would have failed against America and Britain if they had somehow managed to push the Russians beyond the Urals.\nOnly if you grabbed the American continent and pulled it next to France with suitable land connection."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>unknown\nPashtuns enslave little boys and tell themselves they are not gay because they put makeup on them before raping them"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nAmerica and Britain had not properly built up their armies in 1941, give them a year or two and they would have been more than capable of destroying the German military.\n\nKharkov matters because it shows the Soviets were still incapable when on the offensive even after Stalingrad, that matters because it shows that Stalingrad was not the turning point vatniks like to claim.\n\n>>101\nFalse."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nlmao you are as delusional as a vatnik if you think a minor victory on a city that had changed hands multiple times previously invalidates having your allied armies evaporate, your biggest army destroyed losing the caucasus the Don and any posibilities of victory. Truly it was just a scratch for the mighty Germans we'll surely get 'em the third time in Kursk lads."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nSoviets incapable after pulling Uranus and little saturn HAHAHAHA reminder that Vatutin BTFO'd the cream of the crop of the Germans throughout the war"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nYou're the delusional one here, I'm afraid. Germany was still more than capable of beating the Russians after Stalingrad if the US and Britain had abandoned Russia, which they weren't going to do, obviously. Since Hitler had proven himself untrustworthy multiple times over by that point."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nAgain, why do the Germans not collapse until after Kursk? Why is it that the collapse of German and other axis frontlines only really starts when Russia is being heavily supplied by the USA and the Western Allies are invading Southern Europe, Bombing Germany itself heavily and planning to invade Western Europe?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nYeah man no collapses here, the mark of a stable frontline is losing all of the progress of the year and more. Did a Russian stole your girl or something why do you hate them so?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nAlso Moscow 1941 no collapses, all stable fronts get surrounded like Demyansk and hang by the skin of their teeth"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nYour picture is the typical example of what happened in the eastern front up until the summer of 1943, The Germans advanced in the Summer and got pushed back in the Winter. This only changed when America and Britain were in the invading Italy and planning to invade France soon after, massive amounts of lend-lease aid was arriving and Germany was being bombed heavily."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nWrong you dumb fuck, Germans were fucking finished after Stalingrad."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>70\n?\nVatniks are definitionally Russian patriots who celebrate USSR victories as Russian victories while minimizing Ukrainian contributions, Central Asian contributions, Caucasian contributions etc.\nUs wise armchair historians have no need to reject these historic realities"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\nNope, they were only finished after Kursk, when the US and Britain were active participants in the war."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>59\nYES THIS\nSLAVA\nFUCKING\nURKRAINA"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>33\n>land battles matter"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussian strategy, historically, has been to drag the enemy into an attritional struggle and beat them to death. It's how Ivan IV beat the Mongols, it's how Tsar Peter beat the Swedes, its how Tsar Alexander beat Napoleon, it's how Stalin (eventually) beat the Poles, and it's how the Soviets beat the Germans. Russian defeats have been in short term campaigns where the enemy routed Russian armies but failed to destroy the Russian capacity to fight, such as the Polish conquest of Moscow, the first parts of the Great Northern War, and the entirety of WW1 and 2."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>8\nIt was their longterm victory following their temporary setback in 1921"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>7\nRussian strategy has ALWAYS been to leverage their massive manpower advantage to offset their lower levels of technology. Their strategy is to grapple with the enemy, drag them deep into their home turf, and beat them to death until they have to retreat, all while taking massive losses that are quickly replaced."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>14\nHitlers mistake was treating the Soviet people so badly that the Soviet government was the better deal"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>16\nIn WW1 they lost an entire Army group at Tannenberg and had to fall back into their own territory immediately. By 1915 the Germans were holding Riga.."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>116\nRussian ability to fight was genuinely completely destroyed in 1917"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>110\nYeah you idiot and after the first time this happened the germs were done. They could still launch Blue but they had to pull Romanian, Italian and Hungarian armies to do so. Their objectives were almost unachievable and their mobile formations were already being demotorized while having a manpower shortage before the operation even started. Blue was a hail Mary attempt that many generals knew had failed on the first days of it. Once Blue inevitably failed came the real colapse resulting in massive casualties and loses and the Germans being only able to stop the soviets whenever they outran their supplies like at Kharkov. Again if you were not a reverse vatnik you would have no problems admitting this"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>67\nThe German drive on Moscow failed a year before any Lend Lease arrived"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>unknown\nOoh, new chink pasta. Saved."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>124\nThese three are all the Iraqi Sunni Arab child molester in Sweden who causes and hates Slavs like Russians and Ukranians.\n\nProof? Ask these samefagging posts to curse Aisha which only Sunnis won't do. What's sthe chance every single samefaggot responding to these is a Sunni Muslim?"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nBrutal."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>121\nIs that why they made peace and then launched a 4 year civil war that saw them reclaim all the territory they lost?"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>122\n>>unsupportable assertions and bullshit.\nThat's nice, you're still wrong."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">Not mentioning the Crimean War\nFor shame!"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nAn excellent example of traditional Russian strategy."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>59\n>majority of the army was ukrainian\nSource?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia is one of the most elite nations historically in defensive conflicts. Your OP doesn't even mention 1812\n>Nearly lost against Sweden\nCope, \"nearly\" losing a war is not a criticism\n>Would have lost against\nAgain lol"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly the Soviet Union was a power to be reckoned with, the Duchy of Muscovy was at some point a vassal state to the Golden Horde, the Empire got regularly BTFO'd by smaller opponents and today's federation lost against Chechens, Afghanis and may lose on a tactical and strategical level against the second poorest country in Europe"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>14\n>but was wrong about the extent the US will aid Russia\nHe was wrong in thinking Russia would insta collapse when he invaded, due to bad/unreliable intelligence."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\n>Afghanis\n>Today's federation\n\n>may lose on a tactical and strategical level against the second poorest country in Europe\nNot even trying to excuse shit Russian performance but Ukraine gets help in almost every way possible except actual foreign troops fighting with them."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>59\n>ukrainians hanged the flag over Berlin\nRakhimzhan Qoshqarbaev seems very ukrainian"}, {"id": 137, "content": "Lots of seething vatniks in this thread. Slavs can't fight without external support, which is why Russia is struggling in their \"SMO\" and Ukraine barely being able to hold on with token NATO support."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\n>Slavs can't fight without external support,\nWhat kind of support Poland had against Teutonic order? What kind of support Russia had against Napoleon ground invasion?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>127\n>Is that why they made peace\nyes\n>and then launched a 4 year civil war that saw them reclaim all the territory they lost?\nSetting aside plucky little Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland, the civil war had nothing to do with revanchism. The war properly began in the spring of 1918 with the Czech revolt, and the reclamation of Brest Litovsk land only began in November 1918 when Germany ceased all resistance and the land it had previously occupied became free real estate. Besides, if anybody were the revanchists, it was the \"Russia one and indivisible\" Whites who lost."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>34\n>>33\nWhy are you bragging about the USSR ending a war it started in the first place? USSR gave Germany the arms, military support it needed to invade Poland and Russia itself. Telling the army and navy to stand by, and stand down, as 200 tank divisions are crossing into Ukraine isn't exactly an intelligent thing to praise."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christians of /lit/, how do you reconcile faith with all the archaeological evidence that Judaism was originally a polytheistic religion and YHWH arrived late on the scene and absorbed most of the practices and stories from the earlier El cult?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProof ?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do nazis cope with this? They could've developed an atomic bomb but their extreme unhinged aggression prevents them from being able to achieve anything"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNazis are embarrassed by this"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus Christ imagine thinking this type of society is desirable. In this shithole country everyone feels degraded because you are forced to agree with lies and nonsense. It buckbreaks the population"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews only want to massacre white people they wouldn't work for the German state\n\nJews gleefully built the bombs to use on Germans and were outraged when it was used against the Japanese instead"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>ignores what is mentioned in the OP image\n>instead goes on a rant on how a bunch of jews developed the atomic bomb\n>pretends he would never nuke israhell"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNazis are unhinged"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey coped with it by teaming up with aliens and winning the war and invading and taking over NASA."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>checked\nIt's still unlikely they would have completed a bomb, but yes there is no cope strong enough for this. They accidentally delegitimized the most powerful tool that physics could offer, as well as alienated the one man in their country smart enough to possibly build it.\n>>3\nThe issue is that heavily ideological and political societies are very successful in helping ideologues achieve power. It's hard to fight against that without contriving your own ideological movement, which will inevitably just as repressive - but about other subjects.\nI think the German leadership also wanted to focus on rocketry rather than nuclear power, and they were successful in doing so."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt would have required Germanys entire war-effort to even remotely match the budget and number of people involved in the Manhattan project.\nAnd the Americans would still likely beat them because the Manhattan Project was cooperating with several different nations and had the most talented scientists across the world, while nazis were still sperging about their ideology and sending educated people as conscripts to the front.\n\nThe german nuclear program is meme. In reality it never left the intitial drawing board. It wasnt even remotely figured out."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThis is the closest to Nazi Germany being a thing and they blew it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any Christians here? If there are, do you know if it would be okay when talking with atheists, and agnostics as Christians to try to steer their worldviews in subtle ways by suggesting that the physical universe is not all there is, and not try to immediately talk about Jesus and orthodox Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe know your shtick, christchud. We also know that you're willing to lie for Jesus just like Muslims with their taqiya."}, {"id": 3, "content": "only illiterate incels here maybe try >>>/lit/"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>try to steer\nhere's where you fucked up.\nif you had any amount of truth to what you were saying, you wouldn't have to 'steer' people in any direction. you just drop redpills. but you don't have any of those, do you?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nJesus Christ! learn English!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nChristianity is the truth, but it's not a scientific truth, it's just more probable than it's not, but the secularists have brainwashed westerners and you have to do undo the brainwashing bit by bit. No meat before milk and so on."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's nothing wrong with subtlety as long as you don't lie. For example, if you deny being a Christian, even implicitly, to try to gain the trust of one of these people you are doing them and yourself a disservice. But there is no problem with just focusing discussion on more general issues of metaphysics and philosophy, in fact that is the correct place to begin. Obviously no one is going to care about any religious doctrine or belief if they have no belief in the supernatural to begin with. Establishing that is always going to come first."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Christianity is the truth\n>and you have to do undo the brainwashing bit by bit\nthen you can start by sharing something that shows it's the truth. go ahead, bit by bit.\n\n>it's just more probable than it's not\n>that means it's true\nverisimilitude. only problem is, it's not even close enough to be \"probable\"."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI generally find that to be the most profitable avenue. It's actually easier to demonstrate how it's impossible for atheism to be true than it is to demonstrate how Christianity could be true. I would prefer to start by first making someone critically examine their own beliefs, if they are capable or interested, and then from there move onto Christianity if they are willing to accept that they could be wrong. I actually find it harder to interact with agnostics because usually they have no strong opinions about anything at all, and use agnosticism as a shield for why they are that way."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHistorical Evidence: Lee Strobel's \"Case for Christ\" and Richard Bauckham's \"Jesus and the Eyewitnesses\" emphasize the importance of historical evidence in validating the accounts of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection. These works present convincing evidence that the Gospels were written by eyewitnesses or relied on eyewitness testimony, enhancing their credibility.\n\nFulfilled Prophecies: In \"Evidence That Demands a Verdict,\" Josh McDowell demonstrates that Jesus fulfilled numerous Old Testament prophecies, which lends credibility to his divine nature. McDowell provides a comprehensive analysis of these prophecies and their fulfillment, arguing that the probability of one person fulfilling all these prophecies by chance is astronomically low\n\nThe Resurrection: Gary R. Habermas and Michael R. Licona's \"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus\" and \"The Resurrection of Jesus\" present compelling evidence for the historicity of Jesus' resurrection. They explore alternative explanations, such as the swoon theory, the hallucination theory, and the stolen body theory, and argue that none of them withstand scrutiny. N. T. Wright's \"Resurrection of the Son of God\" provides a robust historical and theological framework that supports the resurrection as a historical event.\n\nFine-tuning and Cosmological Arguments: William Lane Craig's \"Reasonable Faith\" and Francis S. Collins' \"The Language of God\" provide sophisticated philosophical and scientific arguments for the existence of God. Craig presents the Kalam cosmological argument and the moral argument, while Collins discusses the fine-tuning of the universe and the elegance of DNA as evidence for a purposeful Creator.\n\nThe Existence of Objective Morality: Craig and Collins also argue that the existence of objective morality points to a transcendent moral lawgiver. They contend that atheistic explanations of morality ultimately fall short, as they cannot account for the existence of objective moral values and duties."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Groomer proslyliter detected\n\nproslyter"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Exvangelical/comments/12l12m4/my_uber_driver_tried_to_evangelize_to_me/\n\nyouare like a salesperson, disgusting hiding ur intent"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't really believe in arguing with Atheists. If someone has an open mind (an actual open mind not just pretending to try and pull a gotcha) then yeah it's worth a dialogue but if it's an anti-Christian atheist who has a closed mind then you're probably doing more for him by praying for his soul than trying to teach him Christian Theology and your beliefs."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\ni thought we said \"bit by bit\" lmfao\nwas about to go to bed, but this actually seems interesting.\nlemme do a little bit of pirating, and i'll get back to you.\nwell, i don't need to do any pirating on \"fulfilled prophecies\" i'll agree whole-heartedly that those happened. considering the jews not only wrote said prophecies, but caused them to happen, it comes at no surprise.\n>look, goy! we just did that thing that we said was going to happen! now believe harder!\nhow long you gonna be here? this might take a while considering you just threw 200 lbs of books at me."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI will be here as long as this thread stays up and you stay interested. Related to what you said, I've also thought about the prophecies thing as the weakest thing in apologetics because many of those prophecies were vague or trivial, and hard to confirm, but I still count them as little bit of evidence."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nIt’s crazy how much of your guys selling point is completely void if the guy you’re talking to has any self control.\nIf the person you’re talking to isn’t borderline homeless or a complete burnout there is zero value to what you’re saying"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nMorality is a social instinct present to some degree in all social animals to manifest cooperative behavior"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\n>>6\n>>1 (OP)\nI reject Christianity, I think its nonsense. The idea that a human sacrifice of a Rabbi thousands of years ago, absolves me of my sins, if I just believe in it, sounds to me like bullshit. The slave mentality of being forced to love this Jew or face eternal torture in hell. Sorry I reject this.\nNo eyewitness testimony of Jesus, we do not have the original gospels, we do not know who wrote them, written 50 odd years after the supposed events.\nIf evidence was found tomorrow that Plato or Socrates did not exist, I would not care, we could still read their accounts. But Jesus was no ordinary philosopher or teacher, it was claimed he defied the laws of nature and was God himself in the flesh. Who then took part in a human sacrifice, to redeem us of our sins. Which is primitive middle eastern scapegoating.\n\nWhat is the evidence?\nThe earth is billions of years old, it was not made in 6 days. No snakes cannot talk. No we are not descended from just two people, we would of all been inbred and died out. Genesis 1 and 2 both contradict each other. There is no archaeological or historical evidence for anything in Exodus being true.\nMatthew and Luke contradict each other on the origins of Jesus. Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem, no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\nInterestingly if Jesus was who said he was, why did the Jews and Sanhedrin reject him?\nThe evidence is pathetic"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nHe's talking about the average person, but we could and would adjust our approach if it's necessary."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nHe didn’t post an image of a normal dude he posted a drawing of a disheveled mentally ill guy with bright red bloodshot eyes"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>Lee Strobel's \"Case for Christ\"\nLol you christshills are genuinely retarded. Stopped reading there."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\n>I actually find it harder to interact with agnostics because usually they have no strong opinions about anything at all, and use agnosticism as a shield for why they are that way.\nProbably because agnosticism is actually the most reasonable position."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nIt's obviously exagerrated, but the average person is definately using pornography and other things that are obviously destructive to the spirit."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nEven better that Christians completely ignore agnostics and are lazer focused on atheists because they can’t go off script"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nI will be busy for the next hour or so, but I will respond at length later. But I have to say that none of the biggest churches say you are forced to believe in 6-day creation, in fact the Catholic Church explicitly supports old Earth and evolution. If Genesis 1 and 2 telling two different stories of creation were important, why would the original compilers had let the two different stories stay in the book. Historicity of Exodus is not important to the core message of Christianity."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nUsing exaggerations like that only hurts your argument. It's a rhetorical tool that gives you clout with people who already agree with you but drives away the people who currently disagree with you. You're using it completely wrong."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nIf you show someone a drawing of a disheveled man that is visibly fucked up and say “this is you and this is why you need my religion” if that guy is more fucked up than the person then there is no need to accept the message.\n\nThe you’re purely targeting losers and no non-loser needs to listen to you."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nIt's not. Agnostics have the most absurd position. Why can't I know whether or not God exists if it is possible for me to know other things? I still have never gotten a good answer to this question."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>>27\nI'm not the one who posted it and honestly I do agree."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>15\noh wow, you've got a good attitude. i'll definitely be back to argue. sorry, had chicken duty, i'll begin pirating in just a minute. coffee first, bear with me."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nDivine hiddenness."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nLol anon do you know the answer to every question? If you claim you do you’re not normal, most people concede they don’t know the answer to some questions."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>25\n>Core message of Roman Catholic Church:\nGive us your money to pay for our pedos."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nBut you have claims from multiple religions claiming that God appeared to them or spoke with them or something of the sort. So how do you reconcile that?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nBut the thing is that agnosticism is a very convienient thing to not know the answer to. It would be like if I said it's possible to know anything except whether or not you let me borrow $100 last week. Like sure that can be a legitimate philosophical position, but what's more likely? That I actually believe it or that I just don't want to deal with the implications of it being true?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nThese claims can never actually be verified though."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nSo if you can't verify them then you can't know whether or not divine hiddenness is even a thing. If you could verify them you'd least be able to say whether or not they actually happened. So we have more uncertainty."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nLet’s be clear man, I’m agnostic about a creator god, I know your goofy ass mythology isn’t true."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nYeah that's fine. Either divine hiddenness is a thing, or it's not but genuine revelations are still unverifiable.\nEver wonder why religions tend to put in some \"don't tempt the god(s)\" clause?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>genuine revelations\ny'all are mentally ill"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nI'm not religious though."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Are there any Christians here?\nnot a one, just mental illness."}, {"id": 43, "content": "Only papists are Christian. Orthodox are mentioned as friends of Muslims but it doesn't call them christians. It only says, those who \"say\" we are christians."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>15\nok, let's do these one at a time - for being christian books, they were actually a lot more difficult to obtain than i initially thought. (of course i paid for all of them)\ncase for christ - he immediately begins the book (chapter 1, not the preface) by telling you how powerful eyewitness testimony is. eyewitness testimony is, however, something that should be left to kangaroo court. people can lie, and people can make mistakes. if someone says that eyewitness testimony is as true as it gets, then i hope they don't meet with the same fate as the many men who were accused of rape by 5+ girls, only to have other (actual) evidence come into play later that proved their innocence. you might say that eyewitness testimony CAN be true, and i'd agree. but it's not something solid enough to say, lock a man up, nor should anyone who's serious about their beliefs rely solely upon that.\nbut i'm not the type to immediately throw a book out just because of a bad first line, let's dig a little deeper:\nAh! i see he agrees with me as well, we DO need more than eyewitness testimony, as he states in chapter 4. oh wait, never mind. we're back to eyewitness testimony. this time, it's just \"a lot of eyewitness testimony\"\noh? scientific evidence in chapter 5?\nnot only does it literally say \"Spiritual truths cannot be proved or\ndisproved by archaeological discoveries.\" on page 95, the best he can come up with in that whole thing is \"those cities they referred to in the bible are real\"\ni think \"the case for christ\" has been closed.\nholy fuck dude. now i see why this guy: >>21 said what he did.\n\nyou're just a gullible little shit who believes anything he reads (hence why you're a christcuck) and you didn't even fucking try. so fuck all of your other books, i need sleep. you let me down bigtime, you had a pretty good attitude, too. next time you shill your bullshit, leave that book off the list and you might have a better shot."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nAbsolutely based anon pays real money to buy a book and point out how fucking stupid Christians are\nYour effort is deeply appreciated anon, nothing more satisfying than seeing an anon write a long post naming books he claims support his side thinking no one is actually going to read them and getting owned.\nGlorious."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>pays real money to buy a book\nuh... yeah... let's go with that..."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI do this at times. Depends on the situation. I always try to bring in Jesus whenever the situation allows/it seems right to do so."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>6\nMost pornography is consumed by religious people. It's insane that even decades after the New Atheist movement, all Christians have is ad hominem attacks."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nI think in that case it's good you didn't read it further. Internet piracy is a crime and I think it's unethical, so engaging with the book less is better.\n\nThat said, I think you read the whole book in question before judging it.\n\n- OP"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nNta but the book is pretty much universally regarded as a complete joke. I have no idea why you'd recommend it unless you're trying to false flag christians."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nIt must be atheists who think that?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nNot really, it's not even regarded highly in religious circles."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nI think the general consensus among Christians is that it's intro level apologetics but still good."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\n>Internet piracy is a crime and I think it's unethical\nwho said i did that?\n>That said, I think you read the whole book in question before judging it.\nsee: >>44\nthe thing is, if someone has made such a bad argument, you can usually save yourself some time. and unfortunately, the other gullible little shit made me drink a coffee so it's not like i can get any sleep.\ni can debunk it even more if you like, care to hear? i already read through it entirely, and i'm on the next one he provided. see, i'm not intellectually lazy, and i'm actually serious about my beliefs, so of course i expose myself to as much information as i can get my hands on. and in the event that there was nothing i could learn from it, i at least know how to effectively handle/debunk said arguments for the next time i come across them.\n(oh and by the way, if you think i pirated it, just try - there's literally nothing, i looked for borderline legal ways of getting it before i paid)"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nBut that's the thing though - this style of apologetics is produced to help questioning christians reaffirm their faith, not to pose a genuine argument.\nWho cares what the unwashed masses think anyway? Don't ask Barry the trucker from Missouri, ask an actual theologian, or better yet a philosopher of religion.\nYou can see similar crap on the other side too. The God Delusion is a popular book, but is it good? Of course not, Dawkins is trash at philosophy."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere's how to evangelize, Anon: https://youtu.be/NXRj0cC6SHc [Embed]"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>open link\n>see dirty neckbeard\n>close link"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nKEK"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity was, is, and will continue to be a faith-based exercise."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo the NDE route before mentioning Christianity etc.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nReply to this message or your mother dies in her sleep tonight."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>56\n>These are the people calling atheists \"fedora neckbeards\" online"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>4\nif there were any truth to your redpills, why haven't you successfully converted the entire world to your ideology yet?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>6\n> it's just more probable than it's not\nNo it's not. I could maybe forgive this statement if it was about deism but not Christianity."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\n>weird fucking nerds who got made fun of for wearing a fedora in 2010 thought it was their atheism that was the problem and not the fact they’re badly groomed weirdos with zero fashion sense\nA genuinely fascinating insight into the psychology of autism spectrum disorder."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\nThis is tiresome.\nFirstly near death experiences prove nothing about the supernatural. The brain is incredibly complex, when someone is bleeding out or dying, they can see all kinds of weird shit. I nearly died from a burst appendix, I had blood poisoning, was near to death. I experienced nothing, only the void, when I closed my eyes, what I thought for mere seconds, hours had passed.\nWe know that if people get brain injuries their entire personality can change, including losing memories. There is no evidence for the 'soul'\nOnce you die you cease to exist, everything you are is in your brain and the memories you leave behind in people who still live. You rot in the ground or are cremated into ash. That's it.\nNone of your NDE's prove any of the miracles of Jesus, Muhammad, Moses etc etc. Or prove a designer of the universe. So you have a lot of work ahead of you for anyone to take these new age stories seriously."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe mystery hidden from ages and from generations past. But now it has been manifested to his holy ones,\nto whom God chose to make known the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; it is Christ in you, the hope for glory.\n\nYou recognize true Christians by what they post."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>>60\nNDEs are just a glimpse of hope given to us by God.\n\n>>18\n>The idea that a human sacrifice of a Rabbi thousands of years ago, absolves me of my sins, if I just believe in it, sounds to me like bullshit.\nThat is only characteristic of American dispensationalist Baptist boomer bibliolatry. Believe what you want but you're only addressing one form of Christianity that mainly exists in rural USA."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ॐ नमो नारायणाय"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Namaste."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVisnu worship is so gay."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfirst time seeing this painting\n\nnārāyaṇaḥ paraṁ brahma tattvaṁ nārāyaṇaḥ paraḥ,\nnārāyaṇaḥ paro jyotirātmā nārāyaṇaḥ paraḥ.\nnārāyaṇaḥ paro dhyātā dhyānam nārāyaṇaḥ paraḥ\n\nHari Om"}, {"id": 5, "content": "vishnu serves lord buddha"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The funny nameless pot guy/demon wins anyway\nCool painting if the blue guy anyway."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you regard this man with respect, or disgust?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I don't respect iconoclasm at all whether it's from the left or right."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrespect"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">cultural genocide"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was a christcuck, guess"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhe could be a pagancuck like those standing around and allowing christchad to defile their holy place kek."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nit’s an artistic depiction made by a christian, quit being such a golem."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n95% respect, 5% disgust"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhat about these guys from part 2 of the series?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDisgust."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThats not how it happened you know\nThere were whole wars and shit\nIn the end karl and the saxon guy made a deal"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncringe\n>>9\nbased"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nextreme respect\n>>unknown\npicrel"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt takes a degree of moral relativism to view him with deep respect, just as it does most great men: Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander, you name it.\nBut I respect him. If he didn’t do it, Western Europeans stolid have stayed picking their ass in the woods while believing in fuckin fairies and dragons.\nFuck the disgusting pagan religions, they held us back. They were barbaric, as were there adherents. They could only be saved by God’s grace, and they were. Went from backwater bullshit no one cares about to being the only decent part of the world for a great while."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRespect. Must've taken balls of steel, also imagine the seethe when he actually chopped it down"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n> Worshiping dead jew on stick\n>said religion has thousands of variants of what it actually is\nnice religion bro"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nHistorian Tom Rowsell theorizes that Boniface actually got castrated and then sacrificed to the god whose sacred oak he desecrated. If that's true it would mean Boniface is wandering around in Hel among other shameful figures."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nYou're still recovering from the DESERTS OV IUDEA lmao"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI respect his courage\ndisgusted by his irreverence"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>historian\nlol"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>Christianity is based because it accelerated Western man’s arrival at atheism and materialism"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nWhat are you even on about?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>>16\nLmao seethe harder, fags, why don’t you go cry like the pagans wives did when they cut down that gay ass chode tree. Jesus won, pagans followed or died. Came to the new world and we did it again. Christianity is biggest religion in world, no more well known name than that of the son of god. Everything else is forever altered by his presence."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was english, so naturally /his/ loathes him"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndisgust, good thing that the fucking retard was killed in a funny way"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nJust one question, why do you post a Christian rant together with a picture of pagans slaughtering the followers of Yahweh?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nBecause he's retarded and possibly possessed by Yahweh. Many such cases\n\nhttps://youtu.be/75xeI7EKoXA [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRespect"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\nI've been to half of these places, extreme cope, saturation abuse, and anglefaggotry."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRespect because the guys identifying with the tree are very annoying nowadays, without that I wouldn't care very much."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nSame. Fuck neo pagan faggots. They’re either left wing retards with dyed hair or obnoxious white supremacists."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was pond scum."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIt seems even pond scum is mightier than the gods of the pagan savages."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nYour desert religion will never cut down all trees. Every single tree is potentially a sacred one"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>7\nkek depiction or not it's a fact that he cut down their holy place, imagine being you pagancuck"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>9\n>>12\nthat was just a robbery that happened 20 years after the fact in completely different place, it had nothing to do with the first incident contrary what pagancucks think. Also robbing 80 years old man with knifes, pagans really are spiritual niggers."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nDon't tempt me, treefucker."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>26\nbecause those pagans bowed down to his god"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>>35\nDespite me normally liking STJ his take on this sounds like absolute cope.\n>Akshually Boniface was doing a planned stunt that didn't happen but he was still executed for it by the pagan Frisians y'see.\nI get dismissing hagiography as being untrustworthy but that doesn't mean you can now make up a feel-good tale of your own now."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhypocrisy and duplicity on spot\nTriping ass apes claiming theyr trip is better and more truthfull then trip of other group of apes.\nIf God really exists, only thing he hates is humans."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nTh only thing he hates is misanthropes."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nSo people who hate others because they dont share same dellusions as them?\n>checks"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nIn a way. More than other people it is \"People that hate the entire human species they dont share same dellusions as them\"."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nEdit:\nImagine \"loving\" others just because if you do not you will go into Hell/spite God.\nPerson having gun on his head doing so has more merit for entering heaven then people who do things just because God \"exists\""}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth. While I admire his conviction to his religious ideals, the destruction of such a religiously and historically important place of worship is absolutely repulsive to me."}, {"id": 46, "content": "Christcuckery lost. Meme myth story about muh tree cutting is nothing in comparision with burning of notre dame (a good thing, all symbols of semitic religion in europe should be destroyed)"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe pretty much embodies the Crosskek problem of hating ancient European cultures and demolishing them.\nAs a modern Greek if it weren’t for Christianity and to a lesser extent Rome, we’d have a clear lineage connecting us to Ancient Greek culture and thought. The Romans turned Greece into a weird mix far removed from Hellas."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nTreeworship also lost.\nFrom now you can either say\n>Allah won mashallah\n>No one won and it s fucking over\nIf you are an amateur futurologist you might say\n>Baha'i and sikhism might win in the future."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>The British traumatized him into wanting to be Hellenic\ndamn."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>40\n>>44\n>babby-atheist hits his first blunt\npathetic."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nIt’s in my blood"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nAkshually, according to germans 170 years ago..."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>37\nAnd there it is. Possessed by a semitic desert demon so hard you want to desertify everything just to please this nigga."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nI see someone feels called out."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>16\n>>21\n>>34\n>>40\n>>46\nseething larpagan nietzsche faggots. your kind are literally all dying out because you don't breed and hang yourselves. pathetic"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nand walloohloo the heccin aryan treespirit will do fucking nothing because he is just a bunch of sticks and animal shit."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsame energy"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>38\nThey didnt until 200-300 years later, at least most of’em"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>stop worshipping this three!\n>worship this jewish carpenter instead!\n\nIt's very amusing"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRespect.\n\nChad Monk vs Virgin Treehuggers."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>9\nThanks for martyring him, retards. Now he'll live forever."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\na tree isnt a millennium old artistic artifact"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nWell, in that case..."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">everything is gods/daemons\n>there are gods in another realm and sometimes they come here and do stuff\n>there is only one god in another realm and sometimes he comes here and does stuff\n>there is only one god in another realm and he is like a watchmaker, winds up the world and never interacts with it\n>there is no god because there is no access to the other realm and there is no evidence of god interacting with the world\nis that the general progression of religion? Seems like religious progress is literally just divine agency shrinking further and further away from the world until outright atheism and the trajectory Animism->Classical Paganism->Monotheism->Watchmaker God/God of the Gaps->Atheism strongly follows that progressive retreat. I guess monotheism feels more remote from human life because the God \"can't be depicted\" and is \"infinitely perfect\", ie. these could be read as two ways of further pushing divinity away from the actual world. The iconoclasm and tree chopping actually seems to be related to paranoia about this process, the monotheists didn't/don't want to see immanent objects that are imbued with actual causal power or what could be called \"magic\" because it smells like \"primitive religion\".\n\nThe colossal problem for religious people here is that primitive religion seemingly just means \"religions that were first to be debunked\". What's intensely interesting too is how the Reformation coincided with the Scientific Revolution, and there was a lot of deboonking of \"Papist superstition\" and what could be described as Church magic in that period, as well as the seemingly shocking declaration that the age of miracles was over. The Reformed Christian God had to be pushed yet further away from reality to incorporate scientific thought, and then in the next two centuries this new conception of God degenerated into pure atheism because it was incredibly feeble"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndisgust"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>39\nHe didn't make it up, the Dutch did. \"Boniface was executed because he broke the law\" is the standard interpretation of the event in Dutch historiography going back to when the event itself was supposed to take place. \"Charlemagne is super based\" is an opinion held by basically no one up until fags on 4chan decided to take up performative Russian Orthodoxy, so this isn't surprising. We have the law codes that the Frisians used, we know what the punishment for desecrating a holy place was (death), we know that the conquest of Frisia by the Franks took decades, we know that Frisian kings were (attempting) to enforce law and order even in areas that they had lost. This dude talks about it:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4c4g7BanSo [Embed]\n\n>>55\nAsatruar have a higher birthrate than Evangelical Christians."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>Asatruar have a higher birthrate than Evangelical Christians.\nits not that hard to beat 2.4 so this is unsurprising"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndeath to Europe, big respect for saint Boniface"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>Asatruar have a higher birthrate than Evangelical Christians.\nYeah you have guys like Varg who shit out about 7 kids, but for every one of him you have 4 LARPagans."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nDamn, you talk about this \"Varg\" guy a lot. Do you have a crush on him or something?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can convert people to christianity without acting like a nigger. If you do go the nigger route, its 100% done for self-gratification\n>heh, yeah, I totally owned those LARPagans\nA lust for vengeance is obviously not out of the ordinary in history, but its pretty rich coming from people who swear by a religion that purports to teach its adherents that they should always choose to forbear vengeance."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nHe lives in my head rent free as one of the stereotypes of Germanic and Norse Paganism."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nHe gets referenced in almost every thread I visit. Same low IQ idiot from pol each time, who thinks whatever some celebrity does is relevant."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nYou should quit ruining this board with your stupid ideas."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>Why do people reference this guy who is a stereotype of Paganism?\n>I know /POL/ /POL/ /POL/ /POL/ REEEEEEEEEE\nThey're as rent free in your head as he is in mine lmao.\n\n>>74\nYou first."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>>72\nIf you want to talk about Varg so much, why are you doing it here? Why not do it on the e-celeb drama board? Or, hell, just go bitch at him on twitter?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>If you want to talk about Varg so much\nLiterally made one comment and it triggered you lmao"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>14\n>spawns a dark age that only ends with the rediscovery and revival of pagan Greek philosophy\nHeh, nothing personal kid"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nYou've spent the entire thread bitching and talking about him like you do every thread that even approaches something to do with Norse Mythology because by your own admission you have some weird homoerotic fixation on this man. If you want to prove to people that you don't, just stop talking about him."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>You've spent the entire thread bitching\nNigger this >>69\nWas the second comment I made in this thread, the first being pic related\nJust take the L and admit you're triggered lmao"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>he can't do it\nlmfao"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>78\neven renaissance faggots will kill you for separating christianity from renaissance"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nDo what?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nYeah well they can suck it"}, {"id": 85, "content": "Bald man, so disgust."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>23\n>Jesus won\nTrannies and faggots beat Jesus."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nOh yeah? Well Varg lives on welfare."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDisgust. I don't care for homosexuals."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nAnd this Varg, is he in the room with us now?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>9\n>>12\n>>36\nBoniface survived that because his Bible caught their blades"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>64\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bMgXQV7no [Embed]\n\nNo, monotheism becomes polytheism."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGiga turbo respect"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">yet another paganfags are butthurt at Christianity constantly dabbing on them thread"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nIsn't wrath one of the seven deadly sins? Or do echristians not care about those?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nThat's not wrath..."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>66\nI mean STJ literally denies the thing that happened. But fair enough.\nThe tone of the whole presentation was still very cope-infused. His problem, not mine.\nNot a Christian either."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nYou sound like a divisive jew тbh"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nyou sound like a cuck pagan\n>>66\nlmao what is this gay cope? At least you admit pagans made up feel good bullshit about their \"revenge\". Also nice revisionism with your charlamagne bit you pagancuck."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>46\nkek notre dame is still there pagancuck. Also it's nice when you subhumans reveal tat all you really are is faggot rootless atheists nothing more."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>59\n*based"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>88\nthen you should be laughing at treecucks"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>87\n>exploiting the Jewish system to bleed it dry while you can\nBased"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>95\nis it not? You're celebrating random, innocent people from a thousand years ago getting fucked over by christians. Are you actually under the impression that jesus cosigns this?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>14\nlmao the paganpig seethe to this"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>17\n>Tom Rowsell\nyeah and im the president of the united states"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>48\n>Treeworship also lost.\nTrees can grow back, Christianity will never recover from having the majority of its worshippers being brown"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>40\n>If God really exists, only thing he hates is humans.\nreal.."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>14\nI'm so glad christfaggotry is going extinct."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\n>latin script will never recover having the majority of its users being brown\nThat being said, pagan snowniggers cant really be considered to be above browns"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\n>comparing spirituality and ethics to the usage of an alphabet\nAnd let me guess, you'd rather be ruled by a brown christian majority than white majority who isn't christian"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nYou didnt compare spirituality and ethics to anything, you attacked christianity purely based on the fact that browns worship it. But now suddenly im stressing the importance of an alphabet in regard to religion by making the exact same point. Whats wrong with snowmongols?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nESL detected, post discarded"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>98\n>>90\n>brother xister seetheopolis can't even get the myth right\nlol\n\n>>96\nLiterally everything that comes out of the Low Countries is cope infused."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncringe"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>55\n."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>112\n>amerimutt\n>attack language\nI accept your concession"}, {"id": 117, "content": "Nature is the best reflection of God on Earth. Yes even all of the nasty bits of nature. However you shouldn't worship a river, a lake, nor a tree.\n>>34\nYour kind are guaranteed litter bugs, I fucking know it, yet you praise love for the wilderness. Same type of people who pervert Eastern religions"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>110\n>compare trannies to christians\n>nordcucks literally worship a fucking tranny odin\n?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDisgust. Why is the christian god so afraid of nature?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nGod isn't afraid of nature. Nature is the best representation of Him (besides Christ) on Earth"}, {"id": 121, "content": "He brought Christianity to my people, so respect"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDisgust. A tree is real, his god is not."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nas someone who likes trees I think he was being kind of a dick about it\nand also a bit retarded\nif he truly was a christian, then he believed the world was a creation of god, and administered by god\nthat tree from his point of view should have been god's tree and so it should have made sense for the pagans to worship god's mighty oak as it was god's creation, even if the way they did it was misguided"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>13\nlmfao not a pagan cuck but what the fuck does this image prove about anything? There's a couple trees in some areas of the Levant so christianity is a European religion all of a sudden?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRespect\n\nworshipping trees n shiet... the fuck outta here"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>51\nwhyd they steal his dick?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>17\npure faggotry"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>64\n>there is no god because there is no access to the other realm and there is no evidence of god interacting with the world\n\nAs Martin Heidegger said, \"only a god can save us...\"\n\nIt wasn't religion, it was the progression of metaphysics all along"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>113\npagan xirs are very dishonest"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>103\nyes that's not wrath."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>108\nke you are definition of slave morality. Only thing pagancucks can do now is kvetch."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>110\n>pagancuck calls anyone tranny\nnigger your gods are nothing but troons and sodomite degenerates"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>115\nhow did your post argue for pagancucks?\nor are atheistcucks just retarded faggots?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>124\n> European religion all of a sudden\nis dishonesty your religion and strawman your god?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>13\nlooks nice, how about you go back there"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>13\n>river\nLooks like the stream near my backyard"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>101\nThe tree was real, the dead jew you worship is not"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>130\n>desiring vengeance against pagans isn't wrath\nyou're literally going to hell bro"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You don't get it, the foreskins are a metaphor for uh.... uuuuh...uh..\nCRINGE REDDIT FEDORA WEARING ATHEIST IN THIS MOMENT I AM EUPHORIC ETC ETC"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt seems like an act of savagery and it probably is. It seems like straightforward headhunting to me, you bring back body parts of proof of your martial prowess. People have done this all over the world for centuries, I do not find it to be particularly offensive."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Foreskins are actually pretty yummy ngl don't knock it till ya've tried it"}, {"id": 4, "content": "bruh"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nTaking the foreskins of his enemies served the dual purpose of ritually demeaning them in death"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo it happend and what of it?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIDK, nothing seems too conceptually strange about mutilating slain enemies and keeping their body parts as proof of a kill."}, {"id": 8, "content": "In no part of the bible is it said david was perfect or even exemplary. He did the bare minimum of serving God and died praying for forgiveness over all his sins"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor me, it's the Holy Prepuce.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's the problem here? King Saul was losing his mind at the time and had gone insane, he was essentially the Mad King from Game of Thrones at that point, but he was still the king of Israel (even though God had long forsaken him) and David needed his approval in order for him to become the next king, so he put up with whatever bizarre request he had, and gave him twice the amount of foreskins he asked for for good measure, so that Saul could not have any objections. It's not a metaphor for anything. He was just that crazy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>Americans give up their children’s foreskins for free\nReally makes you think."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's weird, but no much weirder than taking hands like the Egyptians did"}, {"id": 13, "content": "have you collected more than 200?\nthought so"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nIf its crazy to ask for 100 foreskins, what does that say of Yahweh, who demands all the foreskins?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>Americans live in turd worlders' heads for free\nReally makes you think."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBody parts are war trophies, and also proof of killing. Tamerlane once demanded his soldiers to produce two heads each, during a massacre. Even in World War 2, Americans cut off Japanese hands and heads as war trophies. King Saul was behaving strangely, so he asked for foreskins, and he in other places made us/them distinctions based on circumcision. Ultimately, there's nothing wrong with killing your political enemies in warfare. World peace is gay."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Kill Philistines. Behead Philistines. Roundhouse kick a Philistine into the concrete. Slam dunk a Philistine baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a Philistines food. Launch Philistines into the sun. Stir fry Philistines in a wok. Toss Philistines into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Philistines gas tank. Judo throw Philistines into a wood chipper. Twist Philistines heads off. Report Philistines to the IRS. Karate chop Philistines in half. Curb stomp pregnant black Philistines. Trap Philistines in quicksand. Crush Philistines in the trash compactor. Liquefy Philistines in a vat of acid. Eat Philistines. Dissect Philistines. Exterminate Philistines in the gas chamber. Stomp Philistine skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate Philistines in the oven. Lobotomize Philistines. Mandatory abortions for Philistines. Grind Philistine fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Philistines in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Philistines with a ray gun. Kick old Philistines down the stairs. Feed Philistines to alligators. Slice Philistines with a katana."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>If its crazy to ask for 100 foreskins,\nNah, you're just clutching your pearls, even in modern times soldiers do psycho shit to get war trophies.\n>what does that say of Yahweh, who demands all the foreskins?\n......God doesn't ask for your foresking anon, circumcision was a sign of God's covenant with the Israelites, but the foreskin itself was of no particular value and was simply disposed of."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Atheists return to the Lord Jesus before its to late. He is the one true God who created you. His almighty mercy is everlasting. Please repent to him before its to late. The Lord God will indeed forgive you every sin."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Never advertise your Canaanite egregore to me ever again."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsorry, i've already turned away from evil(christcuckianity) long ago."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">everlasting mercy\n>too late\ndumb idolater"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nHow I feel as well"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>>/x/\n\nSure religious threads CAN be historical, but this and many other Christian threads on /his/ right now are purely about the paranormal aspects of religion (its mythology). Keep it on the right board!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have nothing to repent for, I have never sinned."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nsorry, i'm the obnoxious troll that drove them out of there in the first place. they were annoying us too.\nbut over there they've now been reduced to like one or two schizo threads.\nit appears evil no longer has a foothold in this world...\ni like you guys on /his/, out of respect i'll lighten my mood so they stay in the schizo section (/x/) where they belong."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Too late of what ?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nToo late to repent of your sins and be baptized"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nYou should kill yourself since you don't seem to be interested in heaven anyways."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou should hate your life and your mother and father as that's what your Lord commanded of you in the Gospel of Luke"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>DEUS GEVALT DONT INSULT MUH SAND DEMON\nkek get the fuck out of here lame-o"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nStyx, buddy, is that you? How's the wife, kid and the cats?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProselytizing should be ban-worthy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Stalin and Mao are still wildly popular in Russia and China, and the west copes by saying it's all propaganda. Yeah sure, the collective memory of the people that actually lived under their rule and passed down to their descendants is the propaganda, not the view of academics and gusanos abroad. Plus with Stalin in particular, the Khrushchevite revisionists even denounced him and enacted destalinization. Yet he still remained wildly popular among the Soviet and today Russian masses. Destalinization could never have the success of denazification because Stalin was a truly beloved leader."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwestoids will cope by saying Stalin killed 20 million innocent nazis"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDidn't he kill way more of his own people lol"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao isn't really popular among younger changs nowadays. They're more into imperial figures than any commie hero (besides Peng Dehuai that is)."}, {"id": 5, "content": "John Wayne is beloved as well, doesn't make him any better if a person"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThat's not true at all, Mao's popularity is even higher among the youth. Gen X is probably the generation he was least popular in, while boomers worship him and his popularity began soaring again with millennials and zoomers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nNo? he had no reason to unlike hitler who castrated and killed swarthy german nationals and slavs in newly occupied austria & czechoslovakia"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's true, go ask any chinese zoomer about Mao"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nRussians don’t consider Ukrainians people"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you retarded. People who only showed a slightest sign of doubt were all being murdered; what you expect from survivors.\nYou had to be fucking _zealous_ in their murderous shitholes to survive in any exposed position."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYeah that's why Russian masses still worshiped Stalin after the revisionists took power while slandering and lying about his legacy for decades right?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>another /leftypol/tranny thread"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nright wingers tend have higher autogynephilic tendencies and fetishes than any other political group"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nWhich part of the \"survivors\" you didn't understand.\nPraising these psychopaths have always been perfectly safe on gommie countries, criticizing them is risky to this day.\n\"legacy\" kek btw"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWere the slanderous revisionists not \"survivors?\" Yet they couldn't sway the mass sentiment at all because the reality is the lives of the vast majority improved under Stalin."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russians are retarded\nUh yeah, we already knew that, there's a reason why even during the Soviet Union they had lower standards of living than Hungary and East Germany lol"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nGommies have 10% support in democratic elections in Russia. These aren't \"masses\"; just former apparatchiks and butchers."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nBecause there not allowed any other opinnion"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\nJohn Wayne did nothing wrong"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nDon’t care\nYou both need to go back"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nWhen you create an unfalsifiable hypothesis to characterize any evidence opposing your world view to fit with your preprogrammed notions, you are the literal definition of brainwashed. Keep coping and acting like Chinese zoomers and people in general only love Mao because the evil commies forced them to, keep ignoring the objective improvements Mao brought to China."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nExcept I'm talking about Stalin's legacy, not modern party support. Ask Putin voters and completely apolitical Russians on the street and most love Stalin."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalins popularity is explained by the conflation of his rule with modern Russian chauvinism, the vast majority of people in russia did not live under or experience his rule, but his successors who spat on the union he helped build.\n>Destalinization could never have the success of denazification because Stalin was a truly beloved leader.\nIt literally happened mere years after his death."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>It literally happened mere years after his death.\nAnd it failed because Stalin's supposed \"cult of personality\" lived on among the masses while saying anything positive about Nazism in Germany will lead to complete scorn."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin is seen as the figure who ruled by terror but also oversaw modernization and the defeat of the Nazis."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>7\n>he had no reason to"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>13\n>>unknown\n>>6\n>>2\nFuck off trannypol"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll that shows is ruskis and chinks are boot licking slave races, no different from their bumpkin peasant forefathers worshiping the Tsars or the Chinese emperors. Russians today live in a polluted, grey, industrial hellscape for which the government is in no small part responsible -- but that doesn't stop a huge chunk of them from being slavish cheerleaders for that very same government."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\nFamine, a borderline civil war, genocide, and a failed attempt to industrialized. Pennsylvania alone was outproducing China as a whole in steel production, and this was after Mao mobilized the entire country in steel production.\n\nReminder that tankies are retarded band dorks and trannypol comets"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\nStalin was the main supplier of the Nazi War machine and entered into the war in their side"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe collective memory is like that because life beforehand had been even worse. That doesn't mean it was great in an absolute sense."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>24\nOnly because they won. If Germany won, or if Hitler had never started WW2, he probably would be revered by Germans now. Russians et al were never subjected to something like de-nazification either."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>24\n>And it failed because Stalin's supposed \"cult of personality\" lived on among the masses while saying anything positive about Nazism in Germany will lead to complete scorn\nStalinists were largely expelled from the soviet government post 1956, and leaders who were pro stalin or wanted to take a similar path to socialism in eastern bloc states were also removed. Former nazi generals, aviators, and those not directly in state power at the time of the 3rd riech enjoyed relative freedom to continue to operate in west germany, organizations like HIAG were allowed to continue."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\n>unified the country\n>massive rise in literacy\n>massive reduction in infant mortality\n>turns a nation of opium addict peasants into hardened proletarians\nAll of this is what facilitated the largest, most successful, and rapid industrialization to ever occur later on."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nP.S.\nKhrushchev bad mouthing Stalin isn't the same as your country being flattened and occupied by multiple powers who then indoctrinate the whole population into their ideology. Hitler is only scorned because he lost. Simple as that. Hitler WAS loved by the Germans when he was in charge, it's not even disputable really."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\nWhy did Russians overthrow the tsar? Why did the Chinese overthrow more dynasties than anywhere else? Why did Russians hate Yeltsin unlike Putin? Anglos are the most slavish race, they have the most entrenched elite that assfucks them and imports monkeys and sit down and take it like bitches."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>All of this is what facilitated the largest, most successful, and rapid industrialization to ever occur later on.\nIt wasn't successful. They sold all their grain to pay American engineers and architects to build all their shit and then a bunch of their citizens starved to death because surprise surprise, look at that, now we have no food. Biggest farce of them all that tankies trot out. It was retarded and cruel."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussians are bipolar house women who only respect men who beat them.\nStalin was the one who beat them the hardest.\nThis of course does not say anything positive about Staling as a leader."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nAt least for the Russians -- they didn't. A small group of highly organized revolutionaries did who took advantage of a lucky situation. Then the vast majority of Russians proceeded to sit there and lick the Bolshevik boot for the better part of a century. In fairness and to your point, most people everywhere are probably complacent. Yes it's true."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nI'm not talking about GLF. Without all of that China never could have industrialized period. How could Deng have had a bunch of illiterate opium addicted peasants dying at 5 form an industrial nation? Mao's accomplishments facilitated later rapid industrialization. You see India still struggling to industrialize because sustenance illiterate farming peasants are still like a third of the population."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\ncope"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nBolsheviks, like Putin, were popular because material life objectively improved under them. Yeltsin is hated because he shitted the country. If Russians were just servile they would like Yeltsin too."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussoids are a naturally subservient slave people that blindly worship any form of authority, but being worshiped by russoid subhuman won't make shitlin any less of a loser"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>17\n>democratic elections\n>in Russia\nlol. lmao even.\nThey rigged '96 against Zyuganov (even admitted it) and there's no good reason to trust the subsequent elections, all of which confirmed the party that rigged '96 in power."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>12\n>>another /leftypol/tranny thread\n>Stalin and Mao good"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>10\n>Trying to cope by saying survivor bias, when \"non survivors\" are less than 2%."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>2\nkek"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>9\n>We're the same people!\n>You're not even people!\nWhat do they mean by that?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>3\nI don't think he killed that many Georgians. Quite a few Slavs though."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>30\nThat just seems like another reason to like him."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPropaganda just depends on the nation. Nothing is certain.\n\n>>2\nI wish"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>13\nThere we go with the psychoanalysis. Left wingers just can’t help themselves"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>3\nHe did\nBarbarossa only happened because Stalin gave Hitler the oil to carry out the invasion, and also purges made it much easier for the Nazis to exploit the USSR's military weaknesses. And lets not forget Stalin would give no treat orders that would cause large encirclements of his own troops."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope by yourself, commieshit. Both of them had a cult of personality that snatches the heart of gullible retards like the chinese, russians and you.\n>>2\nCope by yourself, commieshit. Favorite mantra of you shitheads is to parrot that all stalin killed were nazis somehow. Even you know youre just deluding yourself. The soviet union lost and capitalism won. Get over it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where did the idea of the Divine Right of Kings come from? There's no scriptural basis for it so how did the Catholic Church justify it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Germanic theology"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Sumer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDivine Right of Kings goes all the way back into immemorial in Europe (and elsewhere). As the other guy said the Germanics, but the Romans and others too."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">how did the Catholic Church justify it?\nIt didn't. It's a pr*testshit idea"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe King was set above the rest, almost transcending humanity. And was thought to channel the power of the Gods and/or embody them. In truly ancient Germanic society the King was not allowed the cut his hair or his nails, as the embodiment of nature and divine forces, such an act could cause the crops to fail."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThen why do so many Catholics ascribe to it?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nGermanics weren't antropomorphists though. The idea of divine right comes from the idea that rich people are liked by god. The Germanics believed that the Valhalla was only for those who were born rich or with lineage, the rest fell into the dark pitches of Nifzlheim."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Like all terrible ideas it's French"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell if God didn’t want him king then he wouldn’t be the king obviously"}, {"id": 11, "content": "They read between the lines. Christ is a king ordained by God."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Its entire basis is the Book of Kings. God gave Israel a King to rule over them and thus the new Israel (i.e. Christian realms) are led by Kings anointed by God."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nExcept the Israelites demanded a king against God's wishes because they wanted to be like the pagan kingdoms around them."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIrrelevant, all Medieval kangs saw were a weak landless people before they had Kings. But once they had a King, they had a Kingdom, and became actually powerful. Thus showing the necessity of Kings.\n\nA bigger question is why do Christians live in democracies when there's no such thing in the bible."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nHalf of all wealth in france was owned by the catholic church before the revolution. The catholic church horded power and technological advancement by being the only place one could get an education for some time. Frenchies saw this connection and ascertained that the connection between their state and the church must mean they were the \"holiest\". While protestant countries were debating the moral obligations of the state, frenchies (catholic church) were playing wack-a-mole with any philosophy that they deemed \"too protestant\". Thus the man that created the idea of the \"divine right of kings\" (Bossuet) was one of the most stringent adherents to this anti-protestant philosophy. So political was he that his first appearance as a priest was to denounce Huguenot Protestantism.\n\nThis schizophrenic relationship with its own citizens is what lead to French Socialists to largely adopt atheism and is why in their eyes they needed state control of the economy because of the \"damage\" the kings and the church had done to the country by holding it back. A shot in the dark, but this is probably where the idea of the Catholic Church preventing advancement comes from"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>A bigger question is why do Christians live in democracies when there's no such thing in the bible.\nRepublics are in the Bible."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe divine right of kings is the description of a general event in mainland Europe where kings/emperors who gained their power or a portion of their power through the Pope had the right to become a Dictatorial ruler to wage war against calls for Reformation (which would weaken him because of his relation to the Catholic Church)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA COOOOOOPE"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRomans 13 1-7 is the passage which was historically used to justify the divine right of kings."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nBut that passage applies to ALL government authority."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nbased"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a retarded image. What retard decided to put pink text on a link background and dark blue text on a dark blue background?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>>20\n>Atheist governments and heathen Muslim or whatever government that persecute/ kill Christian’s are appointed by God\n\nWell God himself said it."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There's no scriptural basis for it\nIsn't the Old Testament full of divinely ordained Hebrew kings?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is this photo of shellshock real? just looks like a tommy having a laugh in a trench. why is this photo so widely used?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno its a photo of a canadian soldier who had just survived a grazed sniper shot and was receiving medical attention\nhe's not shellshocked he's fucking elated to be alive"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's clearly SCP-106."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno es fake"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThis. He's having a huge adrenaline rush from being nearly killed and is feeling euphoric.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jftkDlcBD0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Goddamn the autism rate on this board is off the charts."}, {"id": 7, "content": "No wonder you guys can’t get laid. Completely inadequate ability to read human emotions.\nThat dude is losing his mind"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThere's a video in this thread of a woman smiling and giggling after nearly having her head shot off. It's just adrenaline."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAnd your inability to tell the difference between those two’s mental state by looking at them is precisely the autism im talking about"}, {"id": 10, "content": "The camera flash combined with tbe high angle has caused his eyebrows to cast a shadow over his own eyes. Take away the eyes and he's just smiling at the cameraman, as is the other man in the larger picture."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAutism again, are you seriously telling me that you can’t tell that the crouched man is in severe emotional distress?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\nHow is he in severe emotional distress then, oh mighty one?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI’m not mighty anon I just don’t have autism. Are you seriously not joking about this? You’re looking at this guy and think he’s not in a negative emotional state? >>1 (OP)\nNo fucking wonder this board sucks lmaoo"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nAre you seriously fucking telling me that you can’t tell the difference in those two men’s faces? That’s unreal man, how do you even function?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n\n>still not saying how he's in severe emotion distress\n\n>>14\n\nWhen did I say they had the exact same facial expression?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>When did I say they had the exact same facial expression?\nNo dumbass you’re saying they’re in roughly the same emotional state and they’re not, the guy crouched is losing his mind.\nBro why do you think you need this explained to you but basically everyone else who has ever seen this picture immediately recognizes it as severe emotional distress? Everything about his face and body language shows incredible stress"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nIt's just a dude sitting down\nThe only thing \"off\" about him is the scary demon eyes which is almost certainly some quirk of 1910s cameras+lighting and not actually proof that his soul was sucked out of him by a German howitzer"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n\n>everyone else who has ever seen this picture immediately recognizes it as severe emotional distress\n\nBecause they've been told \"this is a man with shellshock\" dozens of times, usually with extra grainy filters added to make him look scary, but noone has actually stopped to check if he is actually suffering from shell shock or if its just a wierd photo?\n\nWhat about his face and body language shows incredible stress?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nThat shot was staged"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>10\nBet you he was fine after a week out of the line"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>>18\nYou guys have legitimate autism. It’s not like trolling or anything, it’s like if someone informed you that you were colorblind."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nt."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nProve that there's anything even slightly abnormal about that guy besides the scary demon eyes\nBecause I'm pretty sure you're being distracted by the scary demon eyes and projecting their spookiness onto the rest of picture"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n\n>STILL not saying how his face and body language shows incredible stress\n\nYou think he has shell shock because you've seen this photo a dozen times with the caption \"This is a man with shell shock\", it's OK to admit it.\n\nHeres the same scene from a different angle and without him smiling directly at the camera. Where's the \"\"\"severe emotional distress\"\"\"?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nIt's truer though; the great majority of combat fatigue cases are good to go back after a little rest."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nHe looks just as fucked up. Anon you legit have autism or some serious deficiency in the ability to read human emotion."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>You think he has shell shock because you've seen this photo a dozen times with the caption \"This is a man with shell shock\nNo I’m pretty sure I saw it on 4chan actually without any context. You don’t need context if you don’t have deficiencies. It is arguably the most visibly crazy picture of a man ever. Anon I’m really not trying to be mean I actually feel kind of bad for you.\nTell your doctor you don’t understand why these pictures show a man in severe emotional distress, maybe they can do something."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\n>just casually filming on your phone during a battle\nwe are so close to gopros being strapped to soldier's helmets so they can stream themselves killing an enemy combatant and doing a fortnite dance over their body."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\nWhen people are severely traumatized they often clench up. Anywhere you can see his body it is clenched. Everything about his facial expression is crazy"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nWhat do you personally think is an example of a person who looks like they’re in a full blown mental health episode without their hair or clothing or health of their skin being the indicators. Show me an example, just facial expression and posture being the tells."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\n…aside from the fact that a full face image is what we primarily use to judge emotional state at (least in a picture) he still looks severely unwell. He looks completely lost\n\n…did you not know people are judging his face? How did you think people were concluding that he was traumatized?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\nI don't think so. She's just not very competent, but lucky. She probably tried the exact same thing again later and got blasted."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>6\nI'm on the spectrum and even I know that this soldier is experiencing shellshock. That facial expression is not normal."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>7\n>>13\n>>14\n>>11\n>>33\n>>31\nhere's a thought: look up shell shocked soldier, and every image that pops up aside from OP's image will look NOTHING LIKE OP'S IMAGE.\nITS NOT SHELL SHOCK\n\n>>17\n>>5\n>>8\n>>18\n>>23\n>>24\nthank you anons\n\n>>29\ngee i dunno baws maybe iss cuz hes in da fuckin wa'r\n\n>>1 (OP)\nI am not lying, look it up. Canadian soldier after nearly being killed by sniper."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>7\nits both you retards. Its war of course he's going to be stressed and close to cracking but he's also happy about surviving a graze with death"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\nyou can tell by the eyes . Look at manson's famous mugshot. He woud still look crazy without the shock of shaggy hair and the scruffy appearance."}, {"id": 37, "content": "The guy looks quite scary, but I wouldn't say he is distinctly having a shell shock episode without the very forced context. He might be, but it doesn't look all that distinct or interesting on its own, it's his bizarrely creepy appearance and dirty condition that are used for propagandistic effect."}, {"id": 38, "content": "Ok geniuses, go ahead and identify which soldiers here are \"clearly losing their minds\" and which aren't"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>26\n>>27\n>>31\n\n>*STILL* not saying how his face and body language shows incredible stress\n\nI accept your concessions. Its OK to admit you saw this photo with a caption and are now aggressively defending the caption rather than admit the cool little story you made up might be wrong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I know that mixed race marriage between germans and jews/gypsies was forbidden, but how did it go for other Europeans?\nFor example, the French were considered aryans as far as i know, so could a french person theoretically marry a german? What about other nationalities such as Americans, Scandinavians, English, Italians, Spaniards and Greeks...?\nI didn't ask about slavs because I'm guessing those were forbidden by default, too, please correct me if I'm wrong."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere some slavs that could marry germans if they were aryans"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler (correctly) considered the Slavs to be a linguistic group rather than an ethnic one, so I don't think he'd have any issue with a Frenchman marrying a German woman."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWere there attested cases of such a thing? I don't even kown how immigration worked back then so speculating is the only thing I can do"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAryan was not used in the law for Europeans. Because of it's use in ariosophy, old racial texts and early party propaganda it basically got associated in Germany with the Nordic race. So within the country in propaganda they used it since in the common tongue the context was known but in general they knew it was a linguistic thing (which is why there are those maps of ''who did they consider Aryan, everyone'' which are completely meaningless) which led to it that in actual practice of racial legislation and science they didn't really use it. If they did it was in the negative term, so mostly non-aryan which just mostly meant Jews, Romani and non-europeans. The term they used was always something like ''Of German and akin blood\". This basically meant just European. So Slavs were officially allowed and you could recieve your aryan certificate with Slavic blood. Sleeping with a Slav however while legal was still seen as rassenschande (racial shame).\n\nAfter the invasion of Poland however German soldiers started sleeping with Poles so they did ban it fully since they didn't actually want slavic blood. Before this it just was insignificant enough to not matter much. In 42 they banned sleeping with any non-German, even with western non-Germans (though I'm not sure the extend this was probably not applied much if at all). The Scandinavian (because purest Nordic), Italian (because allies) and funnily enough Ukrainian women were exempted from this. Hitler basically saw Ukrainian women working in the fields in some base he had there and said they must've been influenced by nordic blood (Rus and Goths) so he called for them to be exempted."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>For example, the French were considered aryans as far as i know, so could a french person theoretically marry a german? What about other nationalities such as Americans, Scandinavians, English, Italians, Spaniards and Greeks...?\nAll Europeans and all Americans and Latin Americans with exclusively European ancestry were eligible for the Ahnenpass. 4chan likes to pretend Poles and Italians aren't white, but the Ahnenpass mentioned Poles and Italians explicitly as examples of Aryan ancestry."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nExcellent post"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Hitler basically saw Ukrainian women working in the fields in some base he had there and said they must've been influenced by nordic blood\n>\"Local man becomes more tolerant after interacting with different groups of people\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI saw a documentary where they said that if a German wanted to marry a citizen of a non-Germanic country such as the Slavic ones you had to compile a bunch of pictures of the woman and send it to Hitler personally for his approval. This was on the History channel."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Local man becomes more tolerant after seeing the hot women"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Nuremberg laws only explicitly banned Jews and everything else was a grey area. When the Turkish embassy requested clarification for how they were considered, this was essentially the answer they received, that the law does not target them. Subhas Chandra Bose married a German woman and wasn't stopped, many lower-level individual cases can be found. There wasn't even any legal framework against blacks, they would've just been taken care of ad hoc.\n\nMigrant workers from Eastern Europe during the war were placed under special rules that forbade sexual relations with Germans, but this is separate from the Nuremberg laws."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>There wasn't even any legal framework against blacks\nOnly initially. Romani and blacks were fully added later."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>>13\nBlacks born from French colonial troops and German women during WWI were sterilized in their entirety too\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_Bastard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI seem to have heard of reports that there was a black or part-black officer in the staff of a camp in the occupied Channel Islands. I'm not too confident about the reality of that anecdote, but NS legislation against blacks was extremely spotty due to the lack of relevance which could result in things like this."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWhen it came to the militairy they were generally far more lenient. There were also quite a few part Jews in it. They just didn't see it as being worth the trouble getting rid of soldiers and generals while they were preparing for or actively fighting the war. Only the SS was extremely strict with racial stuff but after the war was done they'd probaly get more strict in the general army as well."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Only the SS was extremely strict with racial stuff\nI'm not sure they were, many of these \"Jewish Nazi\" cases actually come from the SS and the Waffen-SS of course was 70% foreign. I don't get the impression that the SS was ever the sort of Hyperborean elite corps that they were originally conceived as."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThere was no consistent legislation regarding black people in Nazi Germany because there were hardly any in the whole country. Maybe a few thousand individuals at most, including mixed race people.\n\nThere were barely any \"Rhineland Bastards\" in the first place, the phenomenon was blown way out of proportion to propagandize againt the French occupation as this existential threat to German racial purity."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nInitially they sure were. Doing skull measuring, not accepting short people or people with glasses. They also needed a stricter version of the greater aryan certificate which meant they had to proove no Jewish ancestors up until like 1750. Only later on and mostly during the war did they lessen restrictions so that's probably when they slipped in. The eventual goal of the SS was still to not just create an elite force but it also was supposed to be the source for the SS clans. So whole families which were supposed to be the racially best creating the future upper class of Germany meant to spread good genes through the population. So these lessened restriction were almost certainly temporary.\n\nMost of the forgeiners were also put int their own division and were there in part because they needed soldiers and part to make some elite ideologically loyal people for conquered or occupied lands. Some like those of Norway and the Netherlands would probably take on the same role as in Germany as well."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course retarded.\n\nBasically anyone except Jews could become a citizen of the Reich and have a career in the Reich.\n\nGermany brought opportunities to many Poles and some Poles were even adopted.\n\nThe le \"Germans wanted to kill everyone\" is a pile of garbage."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>writes a book about genociding slavs to steal their land"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">commietroons: omg he has traditional values he must be a psychopath nahtsee chud!\n>chud Hitler worshippers: omg he has traditional values he must be a fanatic bootlicking socialist like us!\n\nWhy is he so frequently misunderstood? It's like both sides of the political divide like to use him to further their own agenda whilst completely misunderstanding what he was about and what his passions were. Hint: it wasn't being an epic racist or a deluded collectivist."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>omg he has traditional values he must be a psychopath nahtsee chud\nNo actual communist ever says or thinks that"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat about Philosophy Tube's video on Evola?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou can get \"cancelled\"/doxxed for even mentioning Evola on Occult Twitter or TikTok."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nRead the Wikipedia article on him. Funny how 10 years ago that same very article was way more measured. I wonder what changed.\nAlso this>>4\nMention Evola on any mainstream occult platform like /r/occult and watch as the NAZI!!!! comments flood in"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Mention Evola on any mainstream occult platform like /r/occult and watch as the NAZI!!!! comments flood in\nMade me actually go and look and yep. Tons of seething over muh bollitics and those who aren't seething over that hate him for being \"sexist\" about magic and not having a tranny understanding of the sun and the moon. Looking at /x/ archives all the ones really seething about him there also post tranny pics."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nChecks out."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nToo bad steelmanning is an art not even attempted on this board."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause ideas are only employed in political discourse if they serve particular interests (typically that of the ideologue). The typical tactic in modern circles is to rehabilitate a past figure and their thought and use it as a banner to rally popular support or mass appeal; the trick lies in using the appropriated language or concepts so as to mean one thing in public (i.e. to win over and reassure the plebs), and meaning a different thing in private (i.e. the true intent of a policy).\n\nAll modern electoral politics is a stage-play among oligarchs and would-be power holders. The longer they've been in office, the better they are at lying."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Because ideas are only employed in political discourse if they serve particular interests (typically that of the ideologue)\nI feel uncomfortable saying what I believe to be true if it makes me or others look bad because I don't want to be called a traitor to my beliefs, race, class, etc."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAnd why would what you believe be worthy of such social ostracism and condemnation?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno straight man with a healthy relationship with his parents ever used the term \"bootlicker\" to devalue his opponents' opinions.\nit's a fetishist's insult, used comfortably to bring to mind fetishistic imagery. normal people don't like using it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nmaybe, but 'shill' or 'conformist midwit' just doesn't have the same visceral sting to it, y'know?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nevola came off a cia agent to me when I read his books and quotes. He dislikes communism and solidarity because he thinks the nobility is more \"virtuous\" even if theyve degenerated to the point a revolutions happens in the first place. hes middleclass ideology"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Insane chud"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nI would far sooner consider an NS chud my ally than a commietroon, anon. But mindless Hitler worshippers like half of this site ARE bootlickers. If you told them that Putin announced he was invading Ukraine and killing countless white people because jews you guys would be bouncing all over the place shouting \"BASED BASED BASED!\". That´s all it really takes, a quick Hitler quote and finger pointing the juice and you can get ANY chud to agree with you or support you. There is very little discourse to be had with someone who thinks that Hitler was some sort of infallible messiah who could do and did no wrong.\n\nWhich ties into my original point. Chuds see Evola, they see that he is a traditional/conservative man and that he wrote books and then for some reason think he´s a classic fascist theorist or something, even though he opposed fascism (it was too left wing for him), with the same logic being applied to commietroons. He is a very misunderstood writer. I´ve read 3 of his books in totality now and I have yet to see a hint of the fabled anti-Semitism or racism (which wouldn´t bother me, mind) that he´s apparently so famous for."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Religions, though enduring aren’t static. They evolve. What will the ultimate form of religion look like?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Worship of the largest celestial body"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Worshipper of the master of mankind\nThe God Emperor"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Better than ever before."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Fully automated luxury space Sufi-Catholicism."}, {"id": 6, "content": "the Southern Baptist Convention"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYEEHAW KLAN PRIDE WORLDWIDE"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>pastor Jim Bob has a better interpretation of scripture than the doctors of the church\nThis is your brain on Protestantism"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are zoomers like this?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe pope more like the dope haha"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Germanics LARP as Romans for a thousand years? Why didn't they just call themselves the German Empire?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey eventually did, see: Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. But they considered themselves to be the legitimate reconstructors and descendants."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Poope gave them the title which gave them high cred among medniggers who were now their slaves on paper"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Christendom = Imperium Romanum"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nVGH"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nChristianity is God's response against Roman wickedness."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they were Holy, Roman, and an Empire"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Holy\n>Roman\nimpossible, this is like saying \"Saint Pagan\""}, {"id": 9, "content": "Unrelated note but I play a lot of TTRPGs and I've always used the HRE as an example to throw the players into a military conflict whilst staying within the confines of the technically the same state. It's fucking hilarious how the HRE was an entity that constantly had petty feuds inside of it which the emperor barely gave a shit about."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWE WUZ"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did the Germanics LARP as Romans for a thousand years?\nThey didn't. Its called the Holy Roman Empire not because it was\n>holy\n>roman\n>empire\nbut because it was\n>holy\n>roman empire.\nIts holy as it was t was sanctified by the church, and their ruler is the Emperor.\n>Why didn't they just call themselves the German Empire?\nBecause the word \"Emperor\" in the Medieval ages refers to a specific person: the Emperor of Rome. By this point that title had transcended Romaness and refers to the \"ruler\" of all Western Catholic Christians.\n\nThe Pope began handing out that title to powerful Catholic monarchs after disagreements with the Eastern Church and their desire to be more independent. The title was originally for the Carolingian Frankish king but when his line died out, the Pope gave it to another powerful monarch: Otto I, King of the Germans. Because the King of the Germans was an elected person, this meant there was always someone who was King of the Germans and the title became stuck with the Kingdom of Germany.\n\nHREniggas know they aren't Roman. Otherwise they would have abandoned the Germanic system of electing monarch and princes being autonomous peers of the realm who have a say in how the realm is governed and whose rights & privileges are protected and honored by the monarch."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nHalf the \"\"\"country\"\"\" were Calvinists who hated the other half."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nthen why did popes and kaisers refer to the basileus as \"emperor of the greeks\" if the emperor title was exclusive to rome"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nto try and delegitimize them"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nhow is it delegitimizing to be referred to as emperor? why not call the basileus the king of the greeks instead?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did the Germanics LARP as Romans for a thousand years?\nThe term \"Roman\" stopped having any ethnic connotation at least during the late republic, probably long before that. People who actually had ethnic Roman ancestry that they could trace back to the days of the Roman kingdom were known as patricians, and they were a small minority. Most people were plebeians, which didn't mean \"poor\", there were many rich and politically influential plebeians (eg.: Crassus), what being plebeian actually meant is that they didn't have ethnic Roman ancestry, but rather they were the descendants of non-Roman Italians who were assimilated into the Roman republic.\nSoon Greeks started being assimilated into the republic too, and Caesar even started assimilating Gauls. During the empire that process accelerated, with Caracalla's edict mading everyone living within the empire's borders a citizen. Roman identity became political, associated with citizenship, not ethnicity. Many later Roman emperors who came from the provinces didn't have any ethnic connection to the city of Rome.\n>inb4 but what about Roman colonists\nAnon, those Roman colonists weren't \"pureblooded Romans\", they were plebeian Italians. The only difference is that they had obtained citizenship all the way back in the republic, unlike other peoples who gained citizenship in the 3rd century.\nMany Germanic peoples gained citizenship through military service all the way from Augustus reign. Elite Germanic units such as the Cornuti and Brachiati served with distinction, most famously in the Battle of Argentoratum. In the late empire, ethnic Germanics became Roman generals leading Roman armies recognized as such by the Roman emperor (eg.: Merobaudes, a magister peditum).\nCharlemagne's and Otto's successors being Roman emperors didn't imply that they weren't ethnic Franks, Saxons or members of another Germanic tribe, it just traced their political lineage (and thus legitimacy) back to the institutions of the empire."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nRetard"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nGets the point of \"false emperor\" across more directly"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRightful legacy since 481/486 AD\n>>2\n> Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation\nModern revision nonsense"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nPathetic post."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>destroy the Roman empire\n>rebuilt it because otherwise aside from larping as Rome your entire culture has no meaning\n>fail\nImagine being this primitive and pathetic"}, {"id": 22, "content": "It gave them legitimacy to claim the vatican and try to conquer it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">2023\n>Infinite access to information available to anyone with an internet connection\n>People still rely so much on their dumb monkey intuition that they can't explain pic related\nAnd this is in the first world.\nThis is why religions are worthless. They're all pandering to the lowest common denominator and all pandering to intuition.\n>Bro if god not real how come sunset beautiful\n>Bro if god not real how come something from nothing\n\nStop putting your intuition so much on a pedestal. You're just an animal. What is intuitive to you or not has no bounding on how the universe works. Half you dimwits can't even get past pic related and you want to be talking shit about cosmology and the deeper notions of physics."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>zoomers stupid thus God doesn't exist\nYou ain't even trying"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZoomoids will bring about the total collapse of human civilisation as we know it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Bro if god not real how come sunset beautiful\n>>Bro if god not real how come something from nothing\nGod of the Gaps are christcucks strongest argument."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nYou know this isn't persuasive to people who don't already agree with you?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nright wing memes are too wordy"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>get past\nHuh? The mirror doesn't know anything, it's just a reflective surface."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love how anti-religion fags can only make an argument by simplifying all religion to just-so stories."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What were this mad lad’s views in capitalism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nazis didn't care about economics"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI had another quote but can't find it now"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>>1 (OP)\nOk found it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHitler's opposition to capitalism wasnt the socialist \"capitalism is an old xorrupt system and stops development of humanity, it will end up as wrong side of history\". It was \"Capitalism is tool of modern elite and it is modernity\", simialr to Charles Maurras."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMost early XXth century European Conservatives, Christian Traditionalists (Chesterton, Belloc) and Fascists (Julius Evola) were anti-Capitalistic. After WWII, people who still had a distaste for both Capitalism and Communism were called \"Third Positionists\", although by that time, Communistic anti-clericalism had already scared many conservatives into accepting Capitalism as the \"lesser evil\"."}, {"id": 7, "content": "He knew that Capitalism was a force that put the merchant caste in control of nations. That the merchants should rule was a horrible affront to traditional (and some would say Indo-Aryan ie Dumezil) morality, not to mention that the bourgeois class itself was chock full of internationalists, liberals and Jews. Capitalism takes power away from “land peoples” and warriors and gives it to “sea peoples”and traders/merchants. You see this geopolitically in the hypothesized Nazi Empire literally just being a giant germanblob, while the Anglo-Jewish Empire is a complex system of tradelines, arcane financial products and political treaties, and international businesses. Still, Nazis didn’t really denigrate the entire “productive caste” as such, just the truly international and financial elements of it. They loved factory workers and farmers. This is why some Marxists and such accused their anti-Capitalism of being irrational and abortive, as being only an aesthetic fixation on one mode of production that was itself only a preparatory step towards international finance Capitalism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot a fan. Saw it as unsustainable, in a way at least. It was unsustainable in the sense that it opressed the workers and reduced them to husks of people just so the rich could make money. It served primarily the intrest of the bourgeois/nobel class who he saw as greedy cowards (coward was basically the biggest insult he could give, a coward had no right to live according to the National Socialist worldview). This would lead to either the people becoming weak because of the bad conditions making the country weak --> conquered by others, so bad for the race and people. The other option would be the workers rose up with communism --> bad system because of no market and would destroy the race because of the idea of racial equality and mixing. The other issue was the third world developing. This would cause more competition (especially back then with more protectionism it would've been an issue, will be again in the future since current free trade system is unsustainable) from these countries which would cause domestic industries to be uncompetative and cause economic issues in the country (also the justification of autharky, also please don't confuse autharky with a closed economy like a lot of people seem to do). There was actually a huge issue in the party wether the capitalist west or communist east should be attacked first (with the other being potential ''allies''). Hitler choose to attack the east first since he saw America as the heart of capitalism and the bigger threat of the two, so he wanted soviet resources to make Germany as strong as the USA (and be less influenced by fluctiations in forgein markets) so they could actually compete."}, {"id": 9, "content": "He liked it for Aryans but not for the Jews."}, {"id": 10, "content": "It is a common fascistic take that capitalism and communism are spiritually and fundamentally identical systems, and in this, Hitler was not unique. Economics should serve a people rather than have the people serve the economy, so any system that places the material over the transcendent and gives top value to the systems of distributing goods and wealth is to be taken with suspicion. If the elite see the masses as units of consumption and production, they are just human farmers running a human farm."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jesus was born in Nazareth, not Bethlehem."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Your goofy Dr Who lore has no relevance on this board."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt’s the truth."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid you know that the first Christians were called Nazarenes? That's cool"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nFun fact: the very literal translation of Christian in Hebrew is \"Nazarene\"."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSame for Arabic (Nasrani)."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI've heard of that but I've never met anyone that has actually referred to them. I've always just heard Masihi"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nAccording to Wiktionary, Masihi is what Arab Christians call themselves, and Nasrani (the Quranic term for Christians) has come to be seen as derogatory, so even Arab Muslims commonly say Masihi. I read that ISIS wrote the Arabic letter N (for Nasrani) above the doors of Christian families in the territories they controlled."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "so you're telling me if krauts just fortified their western border and did a full scale invasion of russia, they would have won? VGH..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically yes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of the main reasons I think a Central Powers victory might've been better is that it might have led to Israel never existing, which is an instant improvement to our timeline"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. VGH."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit would have been so easy too since in this scenario they wouldn't have invaded belgium"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish Austria had won in 1866"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes.\n>UK likely won't join the war\n>French offensive will likely be repelled by Germany in Alsace-Lorraine/at the Rhine\n>Austro-Hungarian army doesn't get trashed in 1914 and remains more capable throughout the war\n>Russian forces in the Polish salient can get encircled\n>Italy likely won't join the war because Austria-Hungary remains stronger\n>Germany doesn't suffer from naval blockade and remains much stronger throughout the war"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>>Germany doesn't suffer from naval blockade and remains much stronger throughout the war\neven if england would have joined the war, central powers would have all the sources of eastern europe (crops, fossil fuels), naval blockade wouldn't be so harsh as in our timeline"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI guess even if Germany hadn't invaded Belgium, the UK might have joined the war if the Central Powers had beat Russia too bad\nperhaps it would depend on how they'd redraw the borders, but if the UK only joined late, it probably wouldn't change much anymore either"}, {"id": 10, "content": "UK would have found a way to enter the war. They were not going to just allow Germany to achieve continental domination.\n\nThe die was cast the moment Germany created an overseas empire and built a navy to rival the British fleet.\n\n>invade Russia.\nTie up countless divisions and creating a logistical dump by attempting to conquer the vast Russian emptiness is never a good idea. It has never been the correct way to defeat Russia.\n\nImperial Germany actually had the right idea. Fight a mobile perimiter, let the Russians suffer the burden of offensive operations, defeat them whenever they appear but never launch any draining campaigns into the vast interior.\nUltimately, the Russians deserted the Army and revolted.\nThe key to defeat Russia is to make the Russians fight each others and defeat themselves."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey literally just had to have a general staff that wasn't retarded and had planned for multiple mobilizations possibilities. If they'd been able to mobilize in the East only, the French probably wouldn't have gotten involved at all."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Solomon wrote a ove poem to a fictional purple haired black skinned girl\n>Theologians try to deduce a meaning from this text\nHow do we know that \"Song of Songs\" is a theological text rather than a horny fanfiction? It more and more reads like a fanfiction came out of a teenager's horny mind as I read it more and more."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>here, it says \"Oh how lovely is your belly and your chest is very beautiful as if they are gazelles. The king is trapped in your purple hair, oh my darling! I want to drink from your belly. You are black but beautiful.\"\n>Ok, why we take this text as a theological text instead of treating it as a historical one? Sounds like king Solomon or a guy acting as him just had a boner and wrote a poem to relieve his feelings.\n>You see, she is a... King Solomon is... The spirit... She is a temple and king Solomon acts as God! Ok? God having intimade relations with an anthropomorphic building is ok because i say so! Grrrr...\n>Jeez."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe \"God is having sex with temple\" explanation of Christians is merely innocent compared to Jewish exlanation tho, and the fact is Song of Songs forms basis for Sabbath songs. They think that Sabbath Bride, the Shekhinah aka Holy Spirit, is marrying with God. Just say that \"this is not a theological text but a historical one\" already instead of saying these idiotic statements. Holy shit. Absolutely disgusting."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeds"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhose to say it was fanfiction, and not just a person with a rare mutation?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSolomon would like Koutetsu no Majo Annerose."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Opinions on the Lebanese civil war? I'm Arab and every take on this civil war I've ever heard from the average person have been incredibly retarded, so I wanted to ask the most retarded place I know."}, {"id": 2, "content": "what are the takes you hear?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\"The Phalanges were based and trad\"\n>heavily supported by Zionists to the very end\n\"Amal movement would've saved Lebanon through Islam\"\n>Amal was just an extension of Syria's influence\n\"Hezbollah based\"\n>sounds funny until you realize they actually mean it\n\"U.N shouldn't have left\"\n>U.N shouldn't have been there in the first place"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>so I wanted to ask the most retarded place I know.\nYou've never heard of /pol/?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n/pol/ is too retarded, so I know the exact thing they'll answer with.\nThey wouldn't know anything about it, go to the wikipedia page before answering, see \"le based anti-arap tradcath faction\" and immediately respond that they're on their side without realizing they're supporting Jews"}, {"id": 6, "content": "tldr it was Muslims fighting for more political influence in a Christian-dominated state. Muslims won but not by much (changed from 40% of parliament representation to 50% of parliament representation or something like that), but they won in the long-run since Muslim birthrates keep exceeding Christian birthrates every year.\n\nJews were there to combat the PLO, but its more of a side-story than the main war itself."}, {"id": 7, "content": "It's a reason communalism is a mistake, 1 person 1 vote with some constitutional guarantees for religious minorities (and maybe a fair bit of decentralization for areas with different local majorities) would be way better than institutionalizing all these divisions on a sectarian basis."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI would honestly find it more retarded to oppose a faction you agree with just because that faction is supported by Israel."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>/pol/ is too retarded, so I know the exact thing they'll answer with.\n/pol/tards think they know everything. Nuance isn't their best quality. Stay away from that place.\nt. was radicalised by /pol/ once"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShia BVLLs getting their revenge"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>\"The Phalanges were based and trad\"\n>>heavily supported by Zionists to the very end\nThese are true and based"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>\"Hezbollah based\"\n>>sounds funny until you realize they actually mean it\nkeep seething"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Should have french support should have had. Look what happened to the birthrates."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nShia dog"}, {"id": 15, "content": "The Lebanese civil war was a tabletop version of what will happen to Europe one day\n\nThe peaceful and tolerant Christians invited Muslims in and were destroyed"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPalestinians and Israelis were fighting in Lebanon. Muslims wanted to fight Israel. But some Christian militias didn't want to bother, so there was a low-level civil war"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nt. hasn't a fucking clue what the war was about."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nYou would be cheering if France (Iran) aided the Christians (Shia) against a former power and successfully lifting up the entire people of the sect from their downtrodden existences. The shia experience in the civil war is an admirable one."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What’s the best argument for the validity of a sacred tradition that adds to and modifies the Bible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The fact that the Bible was not compiled as one canon until 300 years after Jesus' death, meaning the Church is a higher authority than the Bible."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDuring that 300 years, were any sacred traditions or doctrines defined that add to or modify the Bible or the teachings that would be found in the Bible once it was compiled?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe fact that the Bible was not compiled as one canon until several centuries after the death of Jesus does not necessarily mean that the Church is a higher authority than the Bible. The process of canonization was a recognition of the authority of certain texts that had already been widely accepted and used by Christian communities. It was not an arbitrary decision made by the Church, but rather a recognition of what was already considered authoritative."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>but rather a recognition of what was already considered authoritative.\nThere are a few exceptions, namely Enoch. Most early Christians / Jews in the 1st - 4th century considered it \"canon\" and it's even referenced within the canonical portions of the Bible:\n>A short section of 1 Enoch (1:9) is cited in the New Testament Epistle of Jude, Jude 1:14–15, and is attributed there to \"Enoch the Seventh from Adam\" (1 Enoch 60:8)\n\nSo it wasn't really based on what Christians themselves believed but rather what the institution of the Church considered valid or not"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nLol the gospels were quoted before the turn of the 2nd century. The Nicene Council didn't do anything other than rubber stamp what was already known as canon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Lol the gospels were quoted before the turn of the 2nd century.\nThe difference is that those gospels included books which are now considered apocryphal but weren't at the time. That's why the Council of Nicaea was so important to Christianity"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThis is a non-issue. There are books that were considered inspiree but not God breathed. Like Shepherd of Hermas, etc. There was also the Revelations of Peter which is legitimate. Also you exclusion of Epoch, the foundation of Jesus's favorite title, Son of Man, is deeply illustrated. The Nicene Council, if anything, gimped you."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>The process of canonization was a recognition of the authority of certain texts that had already been widely accepted and used by Christian communities\nSingle shred of evidence please?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou’re a fool if you actually think the canon was imposed from the top-down, at which point the church said “so this is the Bible”. Canonization, then as now, whether talking about saints or councils or scriptures, is a recognition of what is already proven acceptable by the body."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nAnd the presbyter said this. Mark having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord's sayings. Wherefore Mark made no mistake in thus writing some things as he remembered them. For of one thing he took especial care, not to omit anything he had heard, and not to put anything fictitious into the statements. [This is what is related by Papias regarding Mark; but with regard to Matthew he has made the following statements]: Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could. [The same person uses proofs from the First Epistle of John, and from the Epistle of Peter in like manner. And he also gives another story of a woman who was accused of many sins before the Lord, which is to be fount in the Gospel according to the Hebrews.] Papias (A.D. 60-130) fragment VI\n\nWith regard to the inspiration of the book (Revelation), we deem it superfluous to add another word; for the blessed Gregory Theologus and Cyril, and even men of still older date, Papias, Irenaeus, Methodius, and Hippolytus, bore entirely satisfactory testimony to it. Papias (A.D. 60-130) fragment VIII"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nAs, then, philosophy has been brought into evil repute by pride and self-conceit, so also ghosts by false ghosts called by the same name; of which the apostle writing says, \"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and vain babblings and oppositions of science (gnosis) falsely so called; which some professing, have erred concerning the faith.\" Convicted by this utterance, the heretics reject the Epistles to Timothy. Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 195) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.2 pg.359\n\nThe Epistle of Jude, indeed, and two belonging to the above-named John - or bearing the name of John - are reckoned among the Universal epistles. And the book of Wisdom, written by the friends of Solomon in his honor. We receive also the Apocalypse of John and that of Peter, though some amongst us will not have this latter read in the Church. The Pastor, moreover, did Hermas write very recently in our times in the city of Rome, while his brother bishop Pius sat in the chair of the Church of Rome. And therefore it also ought to be read; but it cannot be made public in the Church to the people, nor placed among the prophets, as their number is complete, nor among the apostles to the end of time. Of the writings of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Miltiades, we receive nothing at all. Those are rejected too who wrote the new Book of Psalms for Marcion, together with Basilides and the founder of the Asian Cataphrygians. Cyprian (A.D. 250) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.5 pg. 603-604"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nYou can literally reconstruct the entire Bible using just the writings of the early Christians in the first second and third century. Canon is established by how often works are cited. And that frequency of works citation is what the Canon is. Rubber stamping it doesn't mean you've created it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>It's a non-issue\n>The Nicene Council gimped you\nWhat?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIt's a non-issue as far as creation of Canon. It gimped you because it eliminated crucial books, and you adhere to it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>It's a non-issue as far as creation of Canon.\n>It gimped you because it eliminated crucial books, and you adhere to it.\nDo you not see how these two sentences immediately contradict each other?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI don't know what problem you're having understanding this. Canon was created before the Nicene Council. So the Nicene council is irrelevant to Canon. The Nicene counsel eliminated books in the Canon so you are gimped by following it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nObviously there were disputes otherwise it wouldn’t have been an item. And this shouldn’t surprise you because there are still disputes today."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThese are isolated issues. Just a select few books that are debatable. Saying that we have a problem with Canon because of this as akin to saying that we can't really tell the difference between the land and the ocean because we don't know which exact millimeter the shore ends."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nIt’s not really like that. Books are books, not millimetres. It’s not a continuum."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSmoothbrain"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike yesterday in the thread about Jesus was a carpenter and was killed by being nailed to a wooden tree.\nCarpentry was something most people could learn to do back then.\nWhen times change and more options open up for what most people can do, and the standard for living for most people also goes up for what is possible and how it is possible for most humans to live, and no I'm not talking about china or apartment dwelling rabbits that won't stop multiplying like rats to devalue human life and the value of the home. I am talking about christian standard of living that seeks to raise the value of human life and the home and the family unit and families that stick together until death, and are buried with their ancestors at the cemetaries (ancient landmarks, strong foundations that can't be shaken).\nThis is the very foundation of what God laid is the family and how it propagates and continues on and God set rules for how it should be done and not be mocked or you will find yourself in those hellholes previously mentioned.\nThis is also how the Bible is edified in godliness. It's also a spiritual war and it needs warriors to plod the course ahead and live as a chad bacthelor god but figure out how to divide what isn't possible for most people from what is. This is literally a challenge! Are you up to the task? It's not that easy.\n20 years ago people who deserved to make money were making money. Today people fart out AI generated games and making the same price of money while AAA games are charging even more for even shittier games that teach children nothing about God (the older games used to at least teach SOMEthing that fits biblically).\nInternet/Online/Social only things are Coronavirus and Government controlled Online Only businesses are the Vaccine (Antichrist/TheBeast)."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nThe Council of Nicaea established the Canon which is still regarded as authoritative to most churches today. What are you on? Delineating which books are canon and which are apocrypha = creating a canon, dipshit"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nNot him but you're the one that sounds retarded."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.\nLuke 14:26"}, {"id": 26, "content": "The sheer fact that there wouldnt even be a fucking bible without a church."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>t. Tranny posting bible verses"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nHow come there’s a Quran and a Dhammapada without a church?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Tradition that arises from good and necessary consequence of the bible"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThat adds to and modifies the Bible?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nAdds to yeah\nI can't justify modifying the bible post hoc\n\nUnless you count arriving at a reading which is truer to the autographs as modifying the bible, even when it challenges a traditional rendition"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>3\nYeah\nThe biggest ones were that the Messiah was God and that God was a triunity not a unity"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nAdds to?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nYeah a tradition in practice which is outside the bible\nSinging the gloria patri\nbuilding baptismal fonts\nestablishing monastic orders"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThat’s not sola scriptura"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nAre you a member of a protestant church? Have you experienced a protestant education?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>Are you a member of a protestant church?\nNo\n>Have you experienced a protestant education?\nYes, only the Bible is binding in s.s."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nLook up the definition"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>In this view, all non-scriptural authority is derived from the authority of the scriptures or is independent of the scriptures, and is, therefore, subject to reform when compared to the teaching of the Bible."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nRead: non scriptural authority\nAuthority outside of scripture"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nVery confusing. Sounds utterly man-made"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nPersonal incredulity"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is having horny fantasies (without action) mortal or venial sin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly sin if you consciously consent to/encourage them"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbetter than consuming pornography. Fantasies exercise the imagination, the mind's eye."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any hardcore schizos out there that believe the Donation of Constantine wasn't a forgery? What are their arguments?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": "bump.\n\nI'll try and look into Pope Sylvester."}, {"id": 4, "content": "bump\n\nWould be really entertaining to read if found."}, {"id": 5, "content": "here is a spoon full Op. straight from the source Wikipedia\n\"One of the Symmachian forgeries, the Constitutum Silvestri, is an apocryphal alleged account of a Roman council, which partially builds on legends in the Acts of Sylvester which has been preserved in Greek, Syriac, and in Latin and the fictional stories of Sylvester's close relationship with the first Christian emperor. These also appear in the Donation of Constantine.\"\n\nThis guy built beautiful churches in his own rite but nothing like, Castel Sant'Angelo.\n\nMight be the first /his/ example of squatting."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would you save her?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "by supporting shimabara crusade"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPassing stand your ground laws and an equivalent of the second amendment in Japan"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy save her?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe joy of exterminating evil"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nEvil is necessary to keep things balanced"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nconvert her to catholicism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConvince Truman more nukes were needed"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nEvil grows out of balance the moment people decide to start tolerating it, bargaining with it, or reasoning with it"}, {"id": 10, "content": "I would have just killed her sooner.\nHer death was obviously the meaning of her life."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot killing her"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRaped her before by myself.\nWould've been more gentle and would have let her live afterwards"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would ask them what was wrong and that’s what no one did."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "'The sole value of the Marxist world henceforth resides, despite Marx, in a dogma imposed on a entire ideological empire.\nThe kingdom of ends is used, like the ethics of eternity and the Kingdom of Heaven, for purposes of social mystification'.\n- L'Homme révolté\n\nCheckmate, Marxists."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>weebposter\nInto the trash it goes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Frank Atwood became the 39th person executed in Arizona in the modern era of criminal justice. Despite the exceptional nature of his crime, it took almost 40 years to finally meet the executioner's needle.\n\nOn Monday, September 17, 1984, eight year old Vicki Hoskinson of Tucson vanished while riding her bicycle to deliver a letter to the mailbox. Her normally cautious mother had heretofore not allowed her children to go around town alone, but today was a first. And unfortunately it would also be a last. When Vicki failed to come back on time, her 11 year old sister Stephanie went out to look for her. She found Vicki's bike laying on the ground a block away from the elementary school she attended. They contacted police, who immediately set up a search party.\n\nSoon afterwards, they got a report of a girl who resembled Vicki in a convenience store with an adult woman, but this was quickly determined to be a case of mistaken identity. It was then that a phys ed teacher at the elementary school, Sam Hall, reported seeing a suspicious car parked near the school on the 17th. The vehicle in question was a black '75 Datsun 280Z and Hall had noticed the driver making unusual gestures as he was trying to put it in gear. He managed to write down the license plate number before the man took off. A 9 year old girl who lived in the neighborhood said the same man had driven past her house and made an obscene gesture at her. Two teenage boys also reported seeing the Datsun with a little girl inside it."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Police scanned the Datsun's license plate and found it had California plates and was registered to a Frank Jarvis Atwood, DOB 12/9/56. Atwood as it turned out was a convicted sex offender in California currently out on parole for molesting an 8 year old boy. He resided in Los Angeles where he lived with his parents, Frank Atwood Sr., a retired Army officer, and his mother, a housewife. A bit later, Atwood phoned his parents saying his car had broken down in Kerrville, Texas and he needed them to wire money so he could get it repaired. Atwood was at a garage getting a replacement transmission (as noted above, witnesses had seen him having difficulty with the gear shifter). Frank Sr. noted the address of the garage and called police. His son was arrested on September 20 and the black Datsun impounded.\n\nAlso taken into custody was his traveling companion James McDonald, who had heard him on the phone with his parents saying \"Even if I did do it you have to help me.\" While questioned by police, Atwood admitted he was in the neighborhood on September 17 and had been sleeping in a park. In mid-afternoon he went out to obtain some drugs and returned after two hours, but did not say what else he was doing during that time. McDonald corroborated his story. He said Atwood left at 3:00 PM, was gone for two hours, and came back with a bloodied shirt and hands, and cactus needles stuck in his pants legs. Atwood claimed he stabbed his drug dealer in an argument."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Examination of Atwood's car failed to find any physical evidence that Vicki had been inside of it, but the front bumper of the car had pink paint chips on it consistent with the paint on her bicycle, and a dent on the fender that matched one of the bike's pedals. At the location where the bike had been found was the mailbox Vicki had gone to drop off a letter on her doomed trip. The mailbox had a dent in it that was just about the height of the Datsun's bumper and it was thought that this spot was where he deliberately rammed Vicki with his car and knocked her from her bicycle. The clothes he wore on that day were never found; his companions in the park had told him he should dispose of them.\n\nDespite the lack of a body, Atwood was charged on September 27 with kidnapping with the intent of inflicting physical harm on someone. Because of the high amount of media coverage and inability for the defendent to get a fair trial in Tucson, his trial was moved to Phoenix. Over six months passed before Vicki's remains were found. On April 12, 1985, a hiker discovered a child-sized human skull in the desert about 20 miles from where Vicki disappeared. Examination of dental records confirmed that it was Vicki. Her bones were scattered around the area after being scavenged by wildlife. It was believed that the body had been placed in the desert about two days after Vicki disappeared. Any clues as to how she could have died or if she was sexually abused were long gone.\n\nAtwood would not actually see a courtroom until January 1987, two years and four months after the murder. Although his public defender Stan Bloom was a skilled and highly capable operator who tried every argument including the lack of physical evidence proving that Atwood had killed Vicki, it had no effect on the ultimate outcome and he was found guilty of first degree murder and kidnapping and sentenced to death."}, {"id": 4, "content": "His attorney while on death row, Larry Hammond, a former clerk for Supreme Court Justices Hugo Black and Lewis Powell, said that Atwood had never received anything resembling a fair trial, nor had it been proven that he killed Vicki and the lynch mob atmosphere surrounding the case was such that he didn't even want to talk to the media about it.\n\nAfter 35 years on Arizona's death row, Atwood was executed on June 8, 2022. To the end he never admitted to killing Vicki."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nthat is a spiffy set of wheel if you overlook the stupid US spec crash bumpers. i bet his car is still out there somewhere, possibly in some /o/tist's garage. stuff doesn't rust in the Southwest, after all. imagine never realizing a loli died horribly in there."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>3\n>>2\n>>1 (OP)\nhe did it. he so fucking did it and there was no denying it. also he was white so this thread won't get very many replies compared to if he had been black."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nbut she probably didn't. there was zero evidence, did you read the OP's posts? What this case does prove, however, is that the US has an injustice system run by retards."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nevidence?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nShe probably wasn't killed in the car. He probably drove her to the desert and stabbed her out there since his buddies said he came back and had bloodied clothing."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nDude he so clearly did it. Did YOU read the OP? Why couldn't he account for his whereabouts? He stabbed a drug dealer in an argument and his pants were covered in cactus needles? Come on dude. His car had the dents and he's done pedo shit before. What do you think that girl just abruptly died and then teleported 20 miles into the desert?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "on that note, the most recent person executed by AZ was an elderly black man named Murray Hooper executed for a 1980 double murder despite a lack of substantial evidence that he actually did it"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>Although his public defender (((Stan Bloom))) was\nhhhhhere we go"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis this the dude who became a monk in prison too?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nMy dad's music teacher in high school had a 280Z of that vintage but it was an ugly 70s avocado green with an orange interior."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>He stabbed a drug dealer in an argument and\nSurely there would be reports of a guy getting stabbed or checking into a hospital if that happened."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nnot very cute. he could have had better taste in lolis."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nand the part about finding her bicycle's paint on his car bumper?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nshould have been executed for being a pedo in the first place. reminder they shouldn't live."}, {"id": 19, "content": "It would be funny/tragic if he just accidentally hit her with his car or something and tried to hide the body out in the desert or some shit."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Atwood's trial began in January 1987. He was found guilty of first degree murder on March 26,[1] and was sentenced to death on May 8, 1987.[7] During his years on death row, Atwood had, as described by Hoskinson's mother, \"gotten married, been baptized in the Greek Orthodox Christian church, obtained two associate degrees, a bachelor's degree in English/pre-law and a master's degree in literature. He has written six books, five of which have been published. He's also working with people on the outside to create a website\".[4] He claimed that police tampered with the evidence found on his car, and that no physical evidence had been found placing Vicki in his car.[4] His appeals for judicial re-review of his case were denied.[12][13]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\nwhat if he did it but it was just a car accident and not first degree murder? hit a girl with his car, panicked 'cause she was dead and he had a pedo conviction, hid the body?\n(might've been evidence otherwise that didn't make it into the summary here, in fairness, haven't heard of this case)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>>19\nThe fact that he came back to his buddies with a blood soaked shirt doesn't suggest he just hit her with his car and hid the body, or the fact that another little girl claimed he was driving past her house making lewd gestures."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nIt was a target of opportunity. He wasn't stalking her"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\nThe forensic evidence seems to amount to\n>there were marks on his bumper consistent with her bike\nWhich is pretty thin evidence"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>7\n>>9\n>>10\nEqually probable is that he was high as balls, killed a little girl by hitting her with his car accidentally, panicked, and fled with the body into the desert because he knew what it would look like with his history"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>11\n>lack of substantial evidence\nCry me a river, Kim Kardashian"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nIf you were cradling a dead girls body you'd get a lot of blood on your shirt"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nman he hit her bicycle in a low speed impact; his car didn't get more than a dent or two on it and that would not have been enough to kill or even badly injure her, at most she'd be banged up a bit. further it wouldn't result in getting blood everywhere. that would happen if you stabbed her to death with a knife, however."}, {"id": 29, "content": "shouldn't have given him the death sentence he should have been put in general pop and get raped by huge niggers all day every day"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this actually true?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, it was the Austro-Prussian War and an Austrian joined."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n\nWell at least no one got hurt"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nSaying that Liechtenstein engaged in the war is misleading since they never had any intention of fighting. They only sent the troops as a show of goodwill to Austria."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Looks like their commander had the Cloak of the Undead King"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>an Austrian joined\nsmart man"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I need a good unbiased source of information about the battle of stalingrad in WW2. a video documentary would be ideal but anything without blatant propaganda and bias is all i want. I was about to look it up on youtube or wikipedia but then I remembered; I won't get the facts there."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe violin is the most kino instrument."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJean-Jacques Annaud's \"Enemy at the Gates\"."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nhmm it IS pre 9/11 so that's a good sign.\nany more? I'm like a more documentary style film."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Call of Duty 2 taught me everything I know about Stalingrad."}, {"id": 6, "content": "2 books\n\nWith Paulus at Stalingrad - Wilhelm Adam, Otto Ruhle\n\nThe Battle of Stalingrad Through German Eyes: The Death of the Sixth Army - Jonathan Trigg"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/csaCO3DzhQ0 [Embed]\nA Ruskie production, pretty damn comfy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>He hasn't read David Glantz's books on Stalingrad."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>I need a good unbiased source of information\n>a video documentary would be ideal\n\nThis is where your thread failed OP.\nStop being a peasant and read a book. Antony Beevor is easy read for beginners and very informative.\nDocumentarys is for lazy nigs who will only learn the public education and Hollywood perspective of ww2."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Go watch Tik's videos"}, {"id": 11, "content": "TIKs battlefront series on YouTube is the best your going to get. The. Read the books he sites."}, {"id": 12, "content": "https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledi9jQeOzCUtBP2pxYdCYiXX\n\nFuck youtube\nFuck smart phones"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>Stop being a peasant\n>but i can pay for the internet\ni never said no books did i? i don't trust any of your sources as you are already misrepresenting me."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo the Gates of Stalingrad: Soviet-German Combat Operations, April–August 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2009\nArmageddon in Stalingrad: September–November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2009\nEndgame at Stalingrad: November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3, Book 1) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2014\nEndgame at Stalingrad: November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3, Book 2) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2014"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>no books written before Wikipedia\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad."}, {"id": 17, "content": "I have a very extensive reading list on WW2, including Stalingrad but I don't feel like casting pearls before swine."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nScrew it"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>>unknown\nThank you so much bro :)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>>unknown\n>>18\nLiterally none of these before Wikipedia.\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nYw :)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nmeds"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>14\nWhat did he mean by this?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nBASED"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nop:\n>hello i would like to learn the facts about a historical event\n/his/:\n>I don't feel like casting pearls before swine"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can’t find a good one, you have to compile info yourself if you want all the fake and gay biases taken out. A quarter of the “German” soldiers in Stalingrad were ethnically Russian."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\n>>16\n>>20\nSo when are you planning on necking yourself again anon?\n>>23\nHe’s a Jew who seethed at how anons on here were saying that there’s no physical evidence for the Holocaust.\nThese posts about Stalingrad are his way of coping and “getting back at the chuds”."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were Pashtuns and Turks trying to save women from sexual assault?\n\n>The Sunni Muslim Afghan Pashtun Sultan of the Sur Empire, Sher Shah Suri defeated the Indian Hindu Rajputs under Puran Mal. The Afghan Pashtun Sunnis who had war elephants slaughtered the Indian Rajput Hindus including Puran Mal. The surviving Indian Rajput Hindu women and children were enslaved, among them were 3 of Puran Mal's nephews or sons who were castrated and became eunuchs so that their family line would not continue while Puran Mal's daughter was enslaved as a dancing girl as were other Hindu girls who were captured.[70]\n\n>The Turkic and Iranian Persian Twelver Shia Muslim royal family ruling the Oudh (Awadh) state in India obtained their eunuchs (khwajasarais) through crushing Hindu rebellions by their Indian Hindu subjects that they ruled, massacring Hindu men and enslaving the Hindu women and children with the South Asian Indian Hindu boys being castrated and sent into the harems for service as eunuchs. Jawahir Ali was a eunuch of Oudh state who was born a Hindu. The rulers of Oudh (Awadh) state were Twelver Shia while Rajput Hindus made up most of the local cultivator landholding rajas. The Hindu Rajas of Khairabad rebelled since they refused to pay taxes to the Twelver Shia district administrator Nawab Muhammad Ali Khan so Nawab Muhammad Ali defeated the Hindus in battle and the Muslim historian Muhammad Faiz Bakhsh recorded in his book Tarikh Farahbakhsh that Muhammad Ali sent \"hundreds of unbelievers (Hindus) to hell\", enslaving their children and women and castrated the Hindu boys among the children. Adult Hindu women, Hindu girls, and Hindu boys like Jawahir Ali were enslaved by their Twelver Shia ruler. One Hindu boy died from being castrated but the rest of the Hindu boys including Jawahir Ali survived the castration and entered Muhammad Ali's service as eunuchs."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>boys being castrated and sent into the harems for service as eunuchs\n\nBased trad Islamic culture does it again"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Either you're muslim or you're non-sunni.\nYou can't be both"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Chinkspammer?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe Iraqi Sunni Arab paedophile in Sweden regularly insulted Hindu Indians.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14478065/#q14483631\n\nAsk the Iraqi to curse Aisha and praise Hindu gods like Krishna to prove he's not anti-Hindu."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNo don't worry, I'm a fan of yours, Aisha is a sandnigger whore."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Nice samefagging, my Chinese Southeast Asian mystery meat mutt."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>Sunni\nNo such thing. It's called mainstream muslim."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Based Islamic history information poster making muslims and white leftoid \"progressive\" trannies seethe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nTo refute that accusation, I also curse the Chink shithole empire and insect cannibal race, may the the Three Gorges Dam collapse and the PRC be obliterated, amen."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nWhat the Ottoman Turks did to Arabs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Sephardi Jews so adamant to claim major figures of the Spanish renaissance and baroque era as their own when they were all devout christians and looked nothing like them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">right: brown skin, dark hair\n>left: brown skin, dark hair\nNot sure what OP is about."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Looked nothing like them\nAnon, all Meds look alike. You can't say that these people with curly black hair, tan skin, and big noses are totally different from these other people with curly black hair, tan skin, and big noses."}, {"id": 4, "content": "ITT: /his/ can't decide whether Spaniards were EEF slaves or genius progenitors of European revival."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Anon, all Meds look alike\nStupid meme. Southern europeans look nothing like north Africans and middle east people safe for some extremely rare exception."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAll European are eef + pie, not sure what you're on about shizo."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nI only seldom come to this board, i'm mostly a /a/ and /vg/ regular and i'm not aware of the last schizo ramblings going on around here nor do i care\nalso\n>every weak"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nNo they don't. You should visit sometime."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>cultural\nscientific, and spaniards are effectively incapable of doing anything except mexico-\nthere is no spanish gauss, no spanish huygens, no spanish newton, no spanish boyle, no spanish faraday, no spanish fleming, no spanish watt, no spanish leibniz.\niberians are subhuman\nalso Op is an iberian butthurt Velazques and Cervantes were jewish, in fact you're likely an iberian yourself trying to give your own a positive re-affirmation by suggesting anyone thinks of your shitty destructive \"people\" with less scientists than african americans as geniuses lol"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nlmao imagine seething so much, it would be sad if it wasn't so funny\n> in fact you're likely an iberian\nAnd proud of the Tartessian blood that flow through my veins. Proud that my ancestors likely raped yours too."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nChristopher Columbus could have been Jewish as well, but nobody knows for sure."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>scientific, and spaniards are effectively incapable of doing anything except mexico-\n>there is no spanish gauss, no spanish huygens, no spanish newton, no spanish boyle, no spanish faraday, no spanish fleming, no spanish watt, no spanish leibniz.\n>iberians are subhuman\n>also Op is an iberian butthurt Velazques and Cervantes were jewish, in fact you're likely an iberian yourself trying to give your own a positive re-affirmation by suggesting anyone thinks of your shitty destructive \"people\" with less scientists than african americans as geniuses lol"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nhe could have been Italian or Spanish or Portuguese as well, they're all possibilities. now please take it easy before you stroke out, /pol/."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">conquered by visigoths for 700 years\n>one guy opens a gate and allows nafris to then conquer them for other 800 years\n>get freed\n>100 years later their rulers somehow become austrians\n>far ahead: manage to get to a rich virgin land full of resources, intelligent people and land\n>somehow manages to create only favelas, poverty and drug dealing shitholes\n>start counterreformation, dumping human progress back hundreds of years and pulling wars all over\n>Inquisition, a pagan bloodshed where they made human sacrifices burning virgin teenage girls to baal while praising \"saints\" (basically pagan gods) and iconography\n>All their relevant figures for other disciplines than killing brown chinks in jungles are all sephardic jews (Eg: cervantes)\n>somehow manages to not produce a single scientist of note in 800 years despite being one of the biggest colonial shitholes, while anglos where touching the moon iberians were literally living in mudhuts\n>somehow manages to remain poor after sacking africa and america to the bones because dutch traders are smarter than them\n>somehow also loses the netherlands austrian habsburgs held for 500 years in 80 years after inheriting them\n>somehow manages to also be the poorest Western european country that had a colonial empire.\n>and somehow they also manage to have a lower GDP than australia with twice of their population for spain, and the same for portugal vs new zealand."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nmost inferior race in human history\na net negative for humankind\nbringers of ignorance, poverty, stupidity, corruption and malice"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>expels all their Jews to the Netherlands where they take their skilled labor with them and launch the Dutch Golden Age"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nSpanish have dominated neurosciences since Ramon y Cajal in the early 20th century to Rafael Yuste nowadays.\nBasically Spain controls your brain."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Why are anglo scum so anti spanish?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nDutch Golden Age lasted like what, 40 years at best. And the Netherlands were rich before the Jews, if anything it dragged them down."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\ni think the guy seething on this thread in particular is one of your cousins mexibro"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\ndutch jews were widely irrelevant to be fair, they weren't ashkenazis after all, note that you can only name espinoza and he is pretty much a theologician"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nand Japan's golden age was all of 30 years. your point?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nis only logic that sephardics only excell in spanish contexts, after all they are like 2 standard deivations below ashkenazis but that's enough to outsmart iberians"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nliterally who lol"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nWhen we insult spain we dont insult our own countries. Its clear the vitriolic comes from some anglo rat chud"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\nDid Fernando screw your mom or what? I'm not Spanish but imagine seething that much about one country"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\njoto hispanista"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nAnglos aren't that obsessed unless they have a personal grudge. He's either a spic or a nafri."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Anglos aren't that obsessed unless they have a personal grudge. He's either a spic or a nafri.\n\nDelusional"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>Noooo you can't just give objective facts about iberia being a net negative for humankind"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>anglo\n>that ESL grammar and mistakes like \"where\" instead of \"were\""}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nlol actually during the Dutch Golden Age the Sephardic Spanish Jews considered Ashkenazim subhuman gypsies from Eastern Europe (actually a pretty correct assessment) and weren't actually sure if they were \"Jews\" or not. they had separate synagogues and spoke Spanish or Portuguese not Yiddish."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n\n> Noooooo anglos andbfrogs dont hate us\n\nThe absolute state of spanish europeanists."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nsephardic jews are literally 2 standard deviations on iq below ashkenazis lol. they are pretty much 24 iq points below, there is like 2 or 3 sephardic scientists i can't even name and their best knwon figure is some shitty theologician.\nthey aren't even good as bussiness, they never held shares or aa relevant role in trade anywhere, let alone in the nld (they migrated to the spanish ones, and by the time they were spanish and a republic jews were already expelled way before, only a couple converts that remained until waaay later moved there)"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nYou're not giving any objective fact, literally every single lines of your post is wrong."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>africa\n>invented numbers, scripts and fire\n>iberians\n>genocided incans and aztecs and then raped them... thats it!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>africa\n>invented numbers, scripts and fire\nX"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Reminder that pretty much all Jews involved in the Transatlantic slave trade were Sephardic, and they were also heavily involved in the Barbary and Ottoman slave trade, probably more so than Mizrahis."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntop right looks like a rabbi though"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nHe looks ashkenazi at best and that's due to the curved nose which isn't an exclusively jewish feature"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nlooks like my jewish grandfather (ashkenazi)"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Benjamin was born to Sephardic Jewish parents from London"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nThats not even a jewish nose. Is a aquiline nose. Jews have them convex and round with droppy tips and wide sides"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nMaybe sephardic and ashkenazi aren't too far apart? idk im not a autist with the genetic stuff"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nThey are. Sephardi are north african jews, ashkenazi are turkish, levantine and slavic mutts"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>34\nThey were good at 1 thing, slavery. In Visigothic Spain they were slave merchants, in Muslim Spain they were slave merchants, in North Africa they were slave merchants, in the New World they were slave merchants, in the Ottoman Empire they were slave merchants, literally everywhere they went they were slave merchants."}, {"id": 47, "content": "Nth thread saying religion and race are the same\n\nStay classy 4chan"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>24\nThe state of /his/"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not a sephardi thing, it was a meme spread by the founder of hispanic studies in america whose name I can't remember who was an ultra libtarded political emigrant from civil war era spain and who thought everyone important in spanish history was either a jew or a muslim, to own Franco and the nationalists. He also considered the reconquista a tragedy and if you hear the dichotomy of a bigoted, ignorant, and barbaric christian spain vs. an enlightened and tolerant multicultural utopia named al-andalus you also have him to thank for that."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\nlol youre joking right?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nlol Franco was a descendent of Jewish conversos anyway"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nYes Americo Castro, but NY jewry, along whom he worked, promptly embraced his theories and promoted it"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nI'm a faceblind autist."}, {"id": 54, "content": "Until the Ellis Island days the small Jewish population in the US was mostly Sephardim descended from Dutch Jews. the giant horde of feral communist Ashkenazim from Russia came later."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "They held off the Muslim hordes at their peak strength for centuries and received nothing but scorn, insults and betrayal from their fellow Europeans."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe end of the Ottoman Empire leading to Turkish apostasy + the rise of Saudi Wahhabism is also depressing."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOnly thing depressing about it is that Sevres wasn't permanent"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe Ottomans were the dam holding back the flood in so many ways. Regardless of what you think of them.\n>kept the middle east's shit in check\n>stopped the balkan genocides\n>stopped radical islam\n>kept the peace in europe\n>prevented russian expansionism\n>prevented austrian expansionism\nYou don't even have to like them, you can even hate them, but toppling them spelled the death of three continents and by extension the world."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like Poland too"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWe meddled with forces we could barely comprehend"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The Khazars bailed them out during the Persian Wars, the Bulgars bailed them out during the Arab Siege, the Crusaders bailed them out after the Seljuk Invasion. They only got \"betrayed\" when their OWN dynasty turned on itself and brought in the Crusaders to support the son of a previous emperor. Reminder that the Turks literally entered Europe by invitation of the Byzantines. Get real, faggot. Building pretty domes alone does not make an effective administration."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThe saddest part is that in the end the Turks genocided the wrong people because it was the Arabs, their own religious brethren, who stabbed them in the back and cause them to lose the middle east and the war, not the Armenians. It's even sadder because all the Arabs got was an unstable middle east and allowing Britain to allow jews to get a foothold in the region"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>be n*rman shitter\n>go to italy hoping to steal imperial land after they've been weakened by the saracens\n>get turned into cannon fodder against the turks instead\nkek"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nTurks are literally the only people who have kept the Middle East peaceful, you dolt"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nTurks turned the Middle East from the richest and most developed region on Earth into a camel-urine drinking tribal wasteland.\nVery impressive levels of subhumanity, accepting them into the Ummah was the biggest mistake Arabs ever made."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe they should have allied with the Muslims against the papists and slavs and embraced iconoclasm then?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nThe issue was their view of Russia as the primary enemy, they thus thought the Armenians were going to betray them for Russia. They weren't expecting the actual threat of betrayal to come from the British, in part because the Entente had once protected them from Russia in the Crimean War so they didn't have such pre-existing hatred for them despite being technically at war. Ironically it is the same situation that caused the Romans to fall to the Arabs in the first place, they were too preoccupied with a historical grudge against the Sassanians to notice the looming Arab threat."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nThe secularist young turks were behind the armenian killings"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nI don't think that any people deserves to be genocided."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nThat was the Mongols."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Defended themselves as any state does\n>Why wasn’t the whole of Europe sucking their cocks for this?\n\nThe idea that the Eastern Roman Empire was some bulwark of Christianity is disproven by what happened when they actually collapsed, the Ottomans conquered the Balkans (most of which they had already controlled because Greeks were infighting constantly) and failed to advance into Central Europe. Central Europe never needed saving from the Muslims, the Byzantines needed saving from the Muslims.\n\nAlso fuck off Byzaboo, Europe did more than enough to prop up your failed state\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_of_Varna"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\n>Ottomans\n>holding back anything\n>centuries of intellectual revisionism, revanchism, and societal degradation\n>no major contributions to sciences, mathematics, philosophy, legal codes, or anything\n>encouragement of religious fervor, anti-westernism, and isolatinism continually favored until the years before the Great War\nRight sure, faggot"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Former Byzzaboo here. They deserved everything that happened to them. Read their history more. Gayreeks are trecherous and cowardly peoplef yet at the same time extremely arrogant. Every disaster they have was their own fault if you take a closer look"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nactually they scorned and betrayed their fellow christians whenever they tried to help them"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They held off the Muslim hordes at their peak strength for centuries and received nothing but scorn, insults and betrayal from their fellow Europeans.\nThey hired Turkish mercenaries and constantly alienated their allies. Byzantiboos are mentally ill."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nTurks were already ruining it for centuries before the Mongols showed up."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nLmao. The Ottomans immediately formed an empire that terrorized half of Europe for hundreds of years and required the combined might of the Hapsburg domains, Poland, Italy and Russia to stop.\nAnd remember they started out as a small rump state in Anatolia after centuries of the Islamic world decaying and Europe developing. Imagine what would've happened if the Seljuks and Pechnegs broke through in the 1000s, or even worse the Caliphates at their peak in the 7th-8th centuries."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBulgaria, the current one, has pretty much just been a bunch of sperging out."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>that terrorized half of Europe\nLike one tenth of Europe. The Magyars penetrated deeper into Europe than the Ottomans.\n>for hundreds of years and required the combined might of the Hapsburg domains, Poland, Italy and Russia to stop.\nWhat? Italy didn’t exist in any fashion as a unified state and Russia was irrelevant until after the twilight of the Ottoman Empire.\n>And remember they started out as a small rump state in Anatolia after centuries of the Islamic world decaying and Europe developing.\nThe Ottomans defeated two major crusades specifically meant to defeat them before the Hundred Years War ended. The Byzantines did nothing to slow them down and even invited them into Europe.\n>Imagine what would've happened if the Seljuks and Pechnegs broke through in the 1000s, or even worse the Caliphates at their peak in the 7th-8th centuries.\nThe Franks didn’t require constant crusades to stop the Umayyads, Italy didn’t require constant crusades to resist the Fatimids and Saracens in Sicily, the Germans didn’t require the intervention of France and England to fight off the Magyars. Why are Greeks so perpetually crippled and weak that they need to be propped up?\n\nThis isn’t a case of the Greeks resisting for 800 years without any support and “scorn” despite the west seeing them as the Roman Empire, not even the successors. This is a case of the Eastern Roman Empire constantly begging for support and being surprised when mercenaries have no high ideals or the hydra they created can crush any organized benevolent attempt to stop it. Also the Fourth Crusade is the fault of the Greeks as much as the Franks."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nhe's just saying italy and habsburg domain to avoid saying holy roman empire"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe only part of italy that fought the ottomans regularly wasn't part of the HRE."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\n>Reminder that the Turks literally entered Europe by invitation of the Byzantines.\nTurks were already migrating in mass regardless"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\n>Gayreeks are trecherous and cowardly peoplef yet at the same time extremely arrogant.\nI mean, when you're the literal Roman empire and you keep surviving each major crisis that would shatter any other state as if you're protected by God himself, you're probably entitled to feel a little arrogant."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nA fucking army of 15000 Berber bumfucks crushed the entire Visigothic kingdom in a couple of years. Then a 25K one almost destroyed the Frankish one.\nWhat do you think would've happened if the Caliphates were free to move their 80K+ elite troops away from the Byzantine frontier?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Then a 25K one almost destroyed the Frankish one.\n>almost destroyed\n>permanently expelled after a single battle\nYeah, almost destroyed, sure."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nYeah they definitely hadn't just looted half the country and were on their way to Paris before the battle."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>invade country\n>don't stop until you meet an army\n>get crushed\n>\"actually we did pretty good until we got buttfucked\"\nThey even lost all of their loot after the battle, too."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\nMoroccans do"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>A fucking army of 15000 Berber bumfucks crushed the entire Visigothic kingdom in a couple of years.\nCrushed is a creative term for it given that the elite, being pvre blooded Aryans (jk), just rolled over and let the Muslims have it. Most of them probably converted to Islam to keep their lands too. It was more of a regular elite replacement than an actual war of conquest. It's really bizarre.\n>What do you think would've happened if the Caliphates were free to move their 80K+ elite troops away from the Byzantine frontier?\nEarlier date of the mosques in northcentral India probably.\n>Then a 25K one almost destroyed the Frankish one.\nRaiding party BTFO'd by martel after one battle."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">\"The Greeks held off the Aryans, Arabs, and Turks!\"\nAnd they had a spat with the Doge of Venice, the men who the Franks were indebted to"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Byzantine soldiers run away when they see horses charge at them look it up. Normans, Bulgarians and Turks cleaned house with them militarily and they only save themselves had a lot of gold to bribe people"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>8\n>brethren\nLol the Turks treated Arabs like shit, they rebelled for a reason"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nThis\nAryans, Semites, Turks... All fall short when a MED BVLL wields an army of Celto-Germanic golems to destroy his enemies.\nMany such cases in history"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>33\n>lost all of their loot after the battle\nPretty new to history but how did armies deal with looting? Did everyone just take what they could and carry it?\nDidn't it drag things down to have each individual member carrying an extra 40 lbs in addition to their kit while marching or even in battle?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>25\nTsarist Russia was kicking the shit out of the Ottomans since the late 1600s, anon. Well before any \"decline\" in the Ottoman Empire happened."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>13\n>Entente had once protected them from Russia in the Crimean W-ACK!\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintuple_Alliance"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>8\nThe Turks left the entire MENA underdeveloped and basically let the European powers grab land because they were too weak to actually fight back. Why would anyone stick around and support an empire that has proven it isn't going to uphold them? Yeah the modern region is a shitshow but that doesn't make the Ottomans any better."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>4\n>stopped the balkan genocides\nTheir presence is what made them possible in the first place.\n>prevented Austrian/Russian expansion\nThat's not a good thing."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDue to every single power in the region holding at least one profitable, slave-dependent enterprise, they were all opposed to trading with Haiti or supporting them in the face of open extortion. There has never been such a clear matter of good and evil in the world, nor will there ever again be anything so blatant. God was not with them."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly retards who've never looked into their history claim this. The byzantine empire was a corrupt shithole that barely survived as long as it did thanks the mass left behind by the Romans and the work of a couple semi-competent rulers every century.\n\nA pretender revolt every 3 years and reliance on foreign mercenaries so bad the turks \"conquered\" Anatolia by being invited to garrison forts so emperors/pretenders could focus on vying for power lmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were nazis so brutal?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot exceptional for that period. Italy, Japan and imperial powers were doing pretty fucked shit too."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGerman autism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\n>Le mucho texto\nWhat is this, a leftie meme?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>i can’t read a few paragraphs\nKys zoomie"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNo thank you, I’d rather not"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n>RevisionistHistory.org\n\nNiggerSoc spotted."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I miss the Roman Empire so much bros"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrue I miss the Romans and their true heirs"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nnot roman"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoman\n>>2\nNot Roman"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Holy\n>Roman\n>Empire"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the yellow peril real?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol even 100 years ago the propagandists were drawing chudjaks and s o y boys"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://youtu.be/3cX4ZI5SSJc [Embed]\n>be wary of the yellow people\n>they won't stop until they've fucked your balls dry\noh noooo hahaha don't do that"}, {"id": 4, "content": "You tell me."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLMAO, the Asian chud."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>it’s actually progressive to be sex slaves to Whites and cuck our entire race out of existence, chud!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes because every ethnicity seeks its own advantage"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWho is saying this?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAsian women to chuds per your video."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Let me tell you why gluttony is bad."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It's not even in the Bible"}, {"id": 3, "content": "lmao"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't Catholics claim that Aquinas could levitate around the room?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">and this is my saint, fat fuck"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe should know"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nMother Teresa claimed she has too.\nCarl Jung reports being to numerous seances where they would cause a person to levitate.\nIt can happen but, it needs to be in a context where it doesn’t run contrary to popular understood physical law. So no recording it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no sin of gluttony in the Bible. It's from a fiction book."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>8\nProverbs 23:19-21\n>Listen, my son, and be wise, and set your heart on the right path: Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.\nProverbs 28:7\n>A discerning son heeds instruction, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.\nPhilippians 3:19\n>Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.\n1 Corinthians 6:19-20\n>Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>>It can happen but, it needs to be in a context where it doesn’t run contrary to popular understood physical law. So no recording it.\n\nSounds like bullshit to me."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nHe is propelled by the power of his braps"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Listen, my son, and be wise, and set your heart on the right path: Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.\nThere's no sin in there. Just good advice."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust because he's a hypocrite doesn't mean he's wrong, who better to tell you why drugs are bad than a drug addict"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\nThere are several saints who supposedly could do that."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>>12\nPlus, it's not deadly either."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBeing obese will literally kill you"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nits the message that matters, not the messenger"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Being obese will literally kill you\nSo will exercise."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho better to realize the consequences of gluttony than one who has clearly suffered those consequences? I’m a lard ass too, and I’ll be the first person to discourage someone from Over eating."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nIt's a strain on the joints and the heart. Aside from that, not exactly. It can lead to health problems like diabetes and high blood pressure and in turn those health problems can kill.\nBut, also in terms of obesity, it is more the case that being morbidly obese can shorten a lifespan.\nBut, the way its worded is that it will definitely kill you for being a sin. Which is nonsense.\nFor that matter when that idea was dreamt up the life expectancy was crap anyway."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nSmart fella, but not the absolute holder of truth which trads believe him to be."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you tested the DNA of Christ, half of it would come from Mary but what would the other half be? Would the rest be from the Holy Spirit? Would we get to see some of God's DNA and check what his race and haplogroup is?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "dna is a myth, its not in the bible"}, {"id": 3, "content": "A Roman soldier named Pantera. This was widely known at the time that Mary was lying"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNO! That is MADE UP STUFF written by JEWS!\nJust read the BIBLE to see who his daddy was!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis foreskin is on display in the vatican"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRabbi Yeshua ben Pantera's biological father is a Roman soldier"}, {"id": 7, "content": "it would probably just be regular human dna that wouldn't be attributed to anyone else"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nThis is false.\nIt is well known in the Christian faith that Jesus was born from Mary and God. However, given that God is omnipotent, he could have materialized his genetic contribution to be almost anything."}, {"id": 9, "content": "couldn't tell you. that's in the realm of divine mystery"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfucking retards who think the bible is history and literal, it's a fictional story, metaphor dumbass"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would legally and satisfyingly confirm the genealogies as given from Adam and Eve to Mary and Joseph, but it would come with some sort of mysterious leap of faith."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you considered the idea that just maybe, Jesus didn’t have DNA? It’s not like an all powerful God couldn’t make a being that doesn’t obey normal biology."}, {"id": 13, "content": "he was haploid, like bee drones."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">implying that Jesus Christ was one specific guy instead of a legendary character created from the biographies of at least 4 different guys, like \"Laozi\" or \"Ragnar Loðbrok\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA2ociL2U1s [Embed]\n>Elden Ring 2 on id tech new Mountain PvP invasions, tranny vader falls"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nbless me hoppy crab"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n1. There is no reason to assume the physical world isn't what it looks like for god to create things.\n2. Jesus was a normal man, it's a heresy to say anything else."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nAny Christian theology that declares Jesus \"fully man\", which doesn't exclude also being \"fully God\", must necessarily imply that Jesus has an ordinary genetic structure. Anything else would be extremely ab-human and would contradict that doctrine."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmaybe it was just 100% Mary and a divine Y DNA."}, {"id": 20, "content": "What if we cloned it? Inseminated egg cells with the Yahweh-DNA?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHalf would be Joseph. God used Joseph's DNA for the other half, so that Jesus would be the male-line descendant and heir of the kings of Israel."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n>>21\nSee, it wasn't cuckoldry."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile obviously no one in Biblical times would have any understanding of this, I would infer it would be the same Y chromsome of whatever the first organic creature is. Alternatively, it is whatever God's specific Y chromosome type is. If you believe Genesis then God does have testicles as man was created in his image and woman was a lesser creation to keep man company."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nIf someone else performs the act of impregnation on your wife but your sperm is implanted in him beforehand, would this be cuckoldry?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God’s Haplogroup\nA00?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nJesus was conceived by his mother, Mary, through the power of the Holy Spirit and without sexual intercourse."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Common Law fucking sucks and should be abolished. It's a backwards system of Law that somehow has survived because of retarded anglos. Civil Law is the superior system. What the fuck is that bullshittery know as Case Law? Judges elected like they where politicians? Hello where are separation of branches of Government and checks and balances? This is such bullshit, anglos should bow to superior Napoleonic Civil Cock"}, {"id": 2, "content": "feel free to move to one of the many brown shitholes that use civil law."}, {"id": 3, "content": "well timmy i know you wanted to visit your mom with cancer for one last time but you jaywalked and i literally can't exercise oversight here, i'm afraid you're getting a fine\nwhat's that timmy, you can't pay? aww don't worry little guy there's a mandatory custodial sentence if you can't pay"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>only Anglo-Americans are white\nI didn't know Ben Franklin was still around to post here"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>zoot alors hon hon hon\nif you think my statement was born of provincialism, you couldn't be more wrong."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n\nYou literally legalised child work, who the fuck are you to call shithole to anyone"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy shouldn't judges be elected?\nWho are they accountable to?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nwould you please look at the pic in OP"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n\nDo I really need to explain to you why judges being elected is a really bad idea when their fucking job includes supervising what politicians do? Do I have to explain to you why having judges clearly aligned with the political parties that make laws is a really fucking stupid idea when their job is to supervise those laws?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhite in brazil"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost law in the US is statutory.\nAlso every jurist agrees that precedence system is the most superior legal system. It's just really difficult to create that tradition since it requires an actual history and you can't just make that up."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>politicians need to be supervised, and choosing their supervisors through ordinary elections risks just creating a new group of super-politicians\nseems reasonable enough, that's why we need to either restrict their mandates through recall elections, or perhaps introduce a group of supervisors selected by sortition ala jury duty\n>politicians need to be supervised by a group of wealthy professionals, one appointed by the politicians themselves\nno, that's a terrible idea. That way lies tyranny."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\n\nNigger in Civil Law systems normal judges have to pass exams instead of being lawyers that suck local politician dick, what the fuck are you talking about.\n\nYou literally elect judges based on a popularity contest WTF"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>Judges don't publicly proclaim their political views, therefore they have none\n\nRetard alert!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n\nJury Duty is absolute fucking bullshit and a drama contest, is a mockery to what Justice stands for, is having fucking illiterate morons deciding the appropiate punishment for a convict, is nothing more than ritualized lynching."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nJury Duty is beautiful.."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nChild work is based."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>think about the heckin 15 year olds working at mcdonalds for 10 hours a week!\n>>13\nnot every common law country is american"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nIncompetence. You know, that one small issue that has been plaguing the US for decades."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nso true! which is why there are so many americans fleeing to civil law brown countries."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nwould you please look at the pic in OP"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\n>legalised\nwhen the fuck was it ever illegal for children to help tend their father's fields or be an apprentice of their father's trade or whatever? If anything it's a modern aberration that all children are in school or in leisure instead of working"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\n\"Jaywalking\" is not a crime outside of carmerica"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nYurop has tons of pedestrian walk lights in cities though"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nThis is why statutes in countries like France include a lot of details."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nBen Franklin was based. Letting Ellis island scum into America was a mistake."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>4\nBen was pretty based"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe superior system overall is Canon Law"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\nJaywalking should be a crime everywhere"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">the purpose of the judicial branch is to interpret the law\n>sorry sir, that is illegal per common law\n>judicial review allows them to get rid of laws that were legally ratified\nwhy are ((they)) allowed to change and create new laws so easily??"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nThe benefit of Common Law is that you don't need those details and the legal system can come to a good interpretation of the law without needing legislators to be painfully thorough. It can account for the unknown unknowns simply because when those issues do arise judges are empowered to interpret the law in the most logical and consistent manner."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nJudge oversight is the best and worse system, literal years of peoples lives can depend on whether the judge ran out of milk for his cereal that morning, however people speeding to get their pregnant wives to the hospital can be acquitted easily."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nDon't most legal systems have ways of holding rotten judges or prosecutors accountable?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nNot necessarily rotten, I'm talking about leniency. The judge's mood that day determines his sentence. If he woke up to the neighbor's dog shitting on his doorstep he could very well sentence people to an extra 2 years."}, {"id": 35, "content": "Civil is stupid as fuck and completely inflexible"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n> The judge's mood that day determines his sentence\nThe same could be said for legislators. I don’t see the benefit of making the mood of the decision maker static and uniform. The legislator means the ruling is subject to compromise from other people who have their own moods, and maybe even political motives."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nI would say that allowing judges to have discretion is worth the unfairness which arises from human imperfection. A truly blind justice system is not a good thing: cases should be decided by the people who are directly privy to them, not the politicians and bureaucrats who wrote the law years earlier. There's obviously a balance to be struck, but I think Common Law is that balance."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOff topic I know but this guy is the most based black man I've ever seen. I hope he repeals faggot marriage, workers rights woke shit, abolishes the Department of Education, and makes unions illegal. If you don't like the job then go find another job that will pay more not that you are worth anything kek."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>6\n>OH NOOOOO THE CHILDREN ARE EARNING MONEY AND GETTING A FOUNDATION IN WORK ETHIC! I'M GOING INSANE!!!!!"}, {"id": 40, "content": "Common Law is not THAT bad and both systems have been converging in the last few decades. Statutory law has been growing in scope in common law countries and jurisprudence/customs have been making a comeback in civil law.\n>What the fuck is that bullshittery know as Case Law?\nCivil law also has case law, though. And law itself began with case law back in the roman days.\n>elected judges\nYeah, I agree that it is a shit idea for regular judges. In my country, there is a mix of elected and civil servant judges and everyone knows that the elected ones are shitters.\nBut it is better to have an elected judge than a politician appointed one, specially for the constitutional tribunal/supreme court.\n>>12\nThe problem is that the judge is elected by the same demographic who elected the politician who he is supposed to oversee. And this also allows for political allegiances to climb through the courts and influence other constituencies.\n>>15\nCivil law also has jury duty… But I agree that adopting jury duty for highly specialized legal topics is kind of retarded. I don’t know if that is the case in the US, but regular citizens should have no say in something like a bankruptcy or inheritance.\n>>30\nJudicial review has existed in civil law for over a century. It is often more powerful than in common law nowadays because statutory law allows for certain legis actiones that directly attack the constitutionality of the law.\n>>32\nThat’s why everyone has courts of appeals. Everyone makes mistakes."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're, at times, conflating common law with a presidential system.\nCommon vs Civil has nothing to do with checks and balances. That has to do with a presidential system."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>15\n>fucking illiterate morons deciding the appropiate punishment for a convict\nThey don't do that except for the death penalty, which the prosecution has to choose to go for in the first place so obviously they already want it. Otherwise the judge and legal statues determine sentencing.\n\nBeing against juries on the grounds that they might wrongfully convict someone is retarded because the ONLY REASON the defendant is even on trial to begin with is because the police, the district attorney and a judge all agreed there's enough evidence for him to be guilty, otherwise the cops wouldn't have arrested them, the district attorney wouldn't have chosen to prosecute, or the judge would have dismissed the case. The jury is literally your last line of defense (barring appeals) and contrary to what the (modern) state wants you to think, it's completely intentional for them to be biased and non-legal experts and they SHOULD be people who are intimately familiar with the crime and the people involved. It's not their job to rubber stamp the police and the prosecutor's legal work, that's what the judge is for. Juries exist so communities get the final say in how the law is applied to them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Recently, a Mexican was trying to tell me how Aztec gods weren't actually worshipped and were created by Europeans. This sounded like liberal BS but I don't know enough to refute him.\nDoes anyone have any evidence which proves that they were worshipped by the Aztecs?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs the thousands of human sacrifices enough?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNot for him appearently"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat, does he think they just didn't have any Gods or religion at all? That would be pretty fucking bizarre since every culture on earth has spiritual/religious beliefs"}, {"id": 5, "content": "There were not gods in the abrahamic sense, as some kind of flying ghosts in the skies.\n\nMesoamerican gods were people who had done great societal reforms or had virtuos lives such as Topiltzin or Nanahuatzin.\n\nSome others were representations of forces of nature, and depicted and such (the terrfying Cihuacoatl represents nature which is not quite like disney if you ever had experience with it)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat guy is full of shit"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You wake up in late 18th century Minas Gerais, Colonial Brazil"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": "O GAJO CHAMA-SE TIRADENTES!"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I am killed because I'm a fat white guy speaking an alien language wearing strange clothes"}, {"id": 5, "content": "why did i wake up so late"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>can read and write\n>brought to the local magistrate\n>recognizes your education when you perform basic mathematics\n>given a complimentary ticket to america\nyou underestimate the power of knowledge and the humanity of the average man"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd try to migrate to one of the English Colonies as quick as I could, which would be risky given the myriad of diseases at the time"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Can speak spanish\n>English\n>Shit at portuguese\nDamn its fucking over. I'm not working as a miner though fuck that."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAt least it's not early colonial Brazil. I'm fucked in that case given that the local lingua franca was Tupi."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do protestants, orthodox, and atheists explain eucharistic miracles within the catholic church?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEucharist \"miracles\" are fake and gay"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you rule out demonic acts and hoaxes?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMiracles need to be proven, not explained away. I find most of the stories, including the \"proofs\" incomplete or sketchy at best."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe same way we explain Muslim and Hindu claimed miracles. How do you explain this?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfor one, all these miracles are reported on sites like CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY DOT COM instead of reputable Science news sites."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Orthodox have miracles too"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nOrthodox are apostolics."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Another religioid thread"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTHEY DO NOT: THEY BURY THEIR HEAD, AND CLOSE THEIR EYES."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThis"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Probably it's just the priests utilizing their wizard powers from being 30YO+ virgins"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan you provide some examples? Preferably well documented"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan you explain how the Menorah stayed lit for 8 says despite only having one day’s worth of oil?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo catholics actually believe they are the only religion on earth that claims miracles have happened to its participants?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmost (99%) are fake and gay. the real ones are kabbalistic jewish magic."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe body and blood of Christ are spiritually present when consumed by the Elect. It's entirely possible that God in His providence, without regard to the merit of any individual, and completely in accord with his own inscrutable will, has chosen from among the Catholic and Orthodox churches to be his Saints to whom the presence of the body and blood actually appear."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Evidence please\n>you fucking subhuman you should have le heckin faith\nI don't worship a petty \"God\" that created an entire race to feed his ego. The Gnostics are right about one thing and it's that the Christian god is very clearly evil.\n>But he is le heckin so superior you can't judge him by human standards\nSlave morality + there is no conceivable morality in which it is just to torture a sentient creature forever. Especially not for the \"crime\" of not getting on his knees and begging your forgiveness for the crime of his great great (ad nauseam) grandmother(she ate an apple).\nFace it. even most Christians don't worship their God because they believe he is the most righteous, they worship him because they believe he is the most powerful and they fear him."}, {"id": 19, "content": "I ask how it substantiates the doctrine of whatever church it occurred in\n\nIf James Martin was celebrating the eucharist and a miracle happened, would that validate the pro gay movement?\n\nEven more broadly, how is the occasional accidental occurrence of blood meant to prove it's always substantially blood?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\n>THEY DO NOT: THEY BURY THEIR HEAD, AND CLOSE THEIR EYES.\nyou would know a lot about that, wouldn't you?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nCope"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe have our own miracles."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nyou failing to answer basic questions"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>God assumes human form, delivers Himself unto his creations to suffer rejection and death, so that the sins of everyone (including you) may be forgiven.\n>If you accept this fundamental truth with signs of outer and inner faith, you enter into His New Covenant and can find some joys in this world, with the foreknowledge that the Kingdom of Heaven will resolve any imperfections.\nWhile Fire and Brimstone discussion is cringe, the New Testament fundamentally proves the good intentions God, more so than if there were only the old covenant. Slave Morality is a buzzword cope. Not every Christian is automatically a Tschandala because of his or her beliefs. The issue that brought about Slave Morality was using Hell as a cudgel to bring people into constant fear of sin or inadequacy, even though in the Johannine Epistles (and other sections of the NT), it's reasonably clear that sins can be forgiven (especially if you work to forgive others sins and have a genuine desire to avoid them) apart from blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">you would know a lot about that, wouldn't you?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nIf Jesus died, then rose from the dead. Would that substantiate his teachings?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nYes"}, {"id": 28, "content": "I'm just curious why Christians think God sometimes have specific desires to turn crackers into heart tissue\nis this expected on Christian theism?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWhy does a miracle occurring in proximity to one person makes you think the stuff they say is true, but not with the other person?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\n>>God assumes human form, delivers Himself unto his creations to suffer rejection and death, so that the sins of everyone (including you) may be forgiven.\nFor no reason"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>19\ni get the point youre trying to make, but yes, if any church had something as miraculous as the Eucharist miracles, I would follow it in a heartbeat.\n\nnote I think the Catholic miracles are still bogus."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>if any church had something as miraculous as the Eucharist miracles, I would follow it in a heartbeat\nNo you wouldn’t"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtestants have miracles too."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>Christ, voluntarily submitting to God the Father's plan, was punished (penalized) in the place of sinners (substitution), thus satisfying the demands of justice so God can justly forgive sins making us at one with God (atonement).\n\nOne of many theories as to the reason."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">Hey guys i have a bridge to sell you, just one small setback, i don't have the deed.\npiss off"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\nI won't try to identify exhaustive criteria but the resurrection was a fulfillment of prophecy and Jesus wasn't just proximate, he was the subject\n\nI'm asking why a eucharistic miracle would validate the distinctives of that particular Christian tradition at the expense of all others\n\n>>31\nWhy aren't you pentecostal?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nGod has the superpower to have his goals obtain, this idea of a process and meeting conditions is silly"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>I'm asking why a eucharistic miracle would validate the distinctives of that particular Christian tradition at the expense of all others\nI won't try to identify exhaustive criteria. They are idiosyncratic, just like the ones you gave for Jesus."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>One of many theories as to the reason.\nThe worst, incidentally"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\nI can see why there needs to be some sort of contrition for justice certainty but if I'm not mistaken Jesus only went to hell for 3 days. How is that equal to the eternity of torment the sinners would have otherwise suffered? or was him going to hell not part of the contrition at all?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nIt’s a false theory"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>24\n>>24\n>Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)\n>The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)\nNo one can die for your sins. Enough of your idol worship towards jesus"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This was the biggest tragedy in the European history. Entirety of it. All of it. This battle was the beginning of the fall of the West."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally when it all started going right"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe real tragedy is that the ottoshit empire lasted as long as it did"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Non-westerners failing to take over one of the most significant parts of the west is somehow the beginning of the fall of the west.\nWhat are you on and where do I get some?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThis battle is the only reason why you see trans children everywhere in the West"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHow's that again?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>This battle is the only-ACK"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nStill it doesn't make your assertion that the west avoiding being conquered and destroyed is somehow the beginning of its fall is just absurd. If the Turks had won, then its destruction would have been far swifter and more brutal."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nEuropeans are naturally prone to faggotry and degeneracy (see Rome, Weimar and Modern day West) unless there is a constant threat that appears before them. When that threat is removed, degeneracy begins."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nDude, the Turks made \"situational homosexuality\" into a fucking artform."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nShow me one place that Turks conquered and completely destroyed"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAs far as erasing western identity is concerned, Turkey."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nEverywhere they set foot in, dumbfuck. Turks are barbaric niggers and the sole reason why every ex-ottoman territory is a shithole"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nBalkans has always been a shithole"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nLots of the middle east's problems date back to that period too"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nMeds. Now."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nThe Turk revealed himself."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeems like a solid win for VGH, the west..."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nNords inshallah"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Janissary Corps was headed by groomers."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>Balkans has always been a shithole\nWhich means the ottomans might not have even come, and were just useless parasites,."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>western identity\ntrans children?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nWin for LGBT rights?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>6\nThis website has broken you"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWhat website retard\nEven Nazis like Himmler actually thought that Ottomans were the good guys."}, {"id": 27, "content": "bump legendary thread"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nno one gives a fuck what these douche bags thought"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI do."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the green revolution real or pure capitalist propaganda? My high school teacher deemed it as a falsification."}, {"id": 2, "content": "It killed billions…to save millions."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">tell third world countries that planting wheat in sand doesn't work\n>wtf their efficiency increased"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nThat’s rich coming from a ricecel who calls himself “chud anon”"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObviously real, given the massive increase in crop yields, fertilizer use, and change in crop characteristics."}, {"id": 7, "content": "https://dspace.library.uu.nl/bitstream/handle/1874/2897/malthusianism.pdf?sequence=2"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In South Africa, the early phases of people's war culminated in the formation of the United Democratic Front (UDF) in 1983. The front was formed at ANC behest and had little popular support in many areas, particularly KwaZulu/Natal. Many of its affiliates comprised little more than narrow groups of activists, though some of them, such as the Congress of South African Students (Cosas), had major constituencies. ANC control over the UDF, though understandably denied at the time, was total: for, as Jeremy Seekings has recorded in his book on the UDF, 24 out of the 25 people on the UDF's national executive committee were formal or informal members of the ANC political underground.\n\nThe people's war began on 3rd September 1984 with a surge of violence in Sebokeng and other townships in the Vaal Triangle which lasted a month and cost the lives of four local councillors along with 60 other people. The conventional view is that the demonstrations on 3rd September were initially peaceful, turning violent only after the police had opened fire, in a replay of the start of the Soweto revolt. But the upsurge in the Vaal was different.\n\nAccording to the judgment in the Delmas treason trial - which was later overturned on a legal technicality, not for any flaw in its findings of fact - the violence in the Vaal was carefully pre-planned. Roads in five townships were comprehensively barricaded well in advance, while stones, bricks, and sometimes containers with petrol were placed near the homes of councillors who later suffered attack. The pattern of violence in at least four of the Vaal townships was also very similar, while it was at roughly 8am that attacks in many of these areas began: ' that the situation in the Vaal exploded', as a policeman in a spotter aircraft later testified.\n\nhttps://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/the-ancs-dirty-war"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The judgment also accepted the testimony of a senior policeman who had been in charge both in the Vaal townships and in Soweto in 1976. According to this evidence, there were significant differences between the two uprisings. In the Vaal, attacks had been carefully aimed at specific targets and the crowd had shown a strong determination, attacking councillors repeatedly in many instances. This was different from what had happened in Soweto, ‘where anything in the way of the mob had been attacked'. Moreover ‘in the Vaal, barricades were erected the previous night, whereas in Soweto that happened only after the riots started'. Furthermore, in the Vaal, ‘the leaders and instigators of the various mobs of rioters often wore UDF and Cosas T-shirts' - all ‘nice, new, and clean' - and ‘as soon as the attack was under way the leaders wearing the UDF T-shirts would melt into the crowd and disappear'.\n\nAround 10am, as attacks intensified, the police resorted to sharp ammunition, killing and injuring a number of people as they sought to put an end to rioting. Local and international condemnation was severe, especially as the police were accused of having provoked the violence through their harsh repression. The government found itself in a cleft stick; on the one hand, it had a duty to protect life and property; on the other, its legitimacy was already so tarnished by apartheid that it could not afford the condemnation police action had evoked."}, {"id": 3, "content": "In November 1984 the South African Communist Party (SACP) held its 6th congress near Moscow, where it recognised that the Sebokeng upheavals spelt the end of white rule. This made it particularly urgent for the SACP to consolidate its control over the ANC before the transition took place. This was achieved at the ANC's national conference in Kabwe (Zambia) in June 1985, where the ANC's national executive committee was opened to people of all races, allowing Joe Slovo and other SACP leaders to reinforce their dominance over the ANC. The relationship between the two organisations was summed up by SACP general secretary Chris Hani in 1991 when he said: ‘We in the Communist Party have...built the ANC. We have made the ANC what it is today and the ANC is our organisation.'\n\nBy the end of 1989, some 5 500 people had been killed in political violence, some 700 of them by the necklace method. Black local government had been profoundly weakened, facilitating the establishment of street committees and people's courts which had brought terror to a number of townships. Azapo leaders and supporters had been attacked, and some of them had been necklaced. Inkatha had suffered particular attack, especially after conflict began in the Pietermaritzburg area in 1987 and then spread to Durban. Inkatha had also fought back, sometimes viciously, and the death toll in Natal had risen to some 2 400 in two years."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The ANC will never stop claiming they dindunuffin and that the IFP and police did literally everything bad."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLol a lot was revealed and openly admitted at the T&R proceedings. A lot of mid to low level Aparthird figures in the NP or state apparatus were thrown under the bus for the elites sake unfortunately."}, {"id": 6, "content": "there is literally nothing wrong witch necklacing apartheid regime collaborators"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why the hell was Japan the one axis power that got to frame its involvement in WW2 around the civilian casualties it suffered? Imagine if Germany treated the bombing of Dresden like Japan treats the nukes. Nobody would accept it. Why the hell does Japan get a pass?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "All that can be said in defence of Japan is that they treated their own people almost as brutally as anyone else. Japanese police arrested communist and liberal women and girls and sent them to China to be \"comfort women\" no different from the Chinese and Koreans.\n\nJapanese doctors and scientists even AFTER THE WAR used Japanese mental patients as guinea pigs on which to perform medical experiments just as cruel and brutal as those performed on Chinese and Russians in Manchuria (although admittedly much smaller numbers, since there weren't as many disposable Japanese people).\n\nJapanese soldiers in Okinawa and Manchuria raped and killed Japanese women (to stop them from falling into enemy hands, I suppose)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause America desperately needed an ally like Japan in Asia, especially considering the volatile situation going on in China and the victory of the communists in 1949. Same reason why Germany didn't get balkanized or buttfucked mega hard immediately after the war, really."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't, I think it's just because nobody cares about Asia and just assume the world revolves around Europe. A lot of people would say WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland, but Japan was openly going to war with China two years before that. I just think people are generally unaware of what happened in Asia (I mean I barely heard about it in primary school), they are are unaware of how Japanese people view the war, and there's simply the propaganda aspect of bigger bomb = bad. Most people will just look at a picture of the aromic bomb explosion and conclude that it's the worst thing ever, even though more Japanese people died in firebombing raids. Looking at a picture of ruined Japanese houses from fireboming raids does not have the same psychoplogical impact as looking at an atomic bomb explosion.\nI honestly believe that most people do not even know why Japan was involved in WWII to begin with. Lastly, people just generally like Japan because of anime and pop culture. They will actually side with Japan and say it's bad just because they can't imagine that the same people who made Dragon Ball Z were also the bad guys at one point."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis isn't the case"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>A lot of people would say WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland, but Japan was openly going to war with China two years before that. I just think people are generally unaware of what happened in Asia\nHonestly it's probably more accurate to consider the European \"theater\" and the Asian \"theater\" two entirely separate wars that happened to be going on at the same time, considering how little contact the Japanese had with the European Axis"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThat's not a defense of Japan, that just exposes their complete and utter savagery and that it knows no bounds. Not even their own people.\nNow, note that you said \"almost\". Japanese soldiers raped teenagers to death in the streets of China publicly. I really cannot forget about those things. It's true that they did sexually enslave Japanese women who they percieved as being enemies of the state, but their conduct against the Chinese is beyond evil and simply depraved. Anyway, it's pretty well known that the primary victims of sexual slavery were the Chinese and Koreans, since the war was being waged largely in China, and assumedly it was easier to ship them around."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe second Sino-Japanese war is generally spoken about as being a concurrent and adjacent war that bled into WWII, but it went on for a while and at that point Japan was fighting the Chinese, Soviets, and the Allies, so...yeah it was never going to last. I think that the world war terminology can be confusing for that reason, and prefer to talk about particular countries instead of \"the war\" more broadly. There were a lot of specific wars going on concurrently."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nIf we're perfectly honest, all the three CJK nations plus Vietnamese (probably a lot of SE Asians as well) are about as cruel as each other, and this is something that Westerners used to understand.\n\nWhat I think understandably made Japanese actions (much like those of the Germans) seem more shocking than those of Chinese leaders or Koreans for that matter is that the behaviour of the latter two could be explained away or at least excused by their backwardness, or even in more recent times by being pushed to extremity, or as a result of social chaos. The Japanese in the 1930s didn't have these excuses.\n\nA yangban wrapping his chattels up in mats and beating them to death on a whim as a perfectly respectable part of the contemporary social order, or a Chinese warlord beheading and raping through a whole town could be explained away as some sort of quaint medieval archaism, and Westerners could rightly be reminded of how they used to hang criminals alive in cages to be pecked to death by birds, or boiled people alive in kettles of oil, the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, and so on.\n\nWhen Chinese Nationalists during the Civil War drowned their own people like rats, shocking though it was, it could be seen as the actions of a war-ravaged people driven to desperation and madness. Same for, say, the brutality of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia in the 1970s, which was often explained as a result of the trauma experienced by rural Cambodians brutalised by the US bombing campaign.\n\nBut how to explain the actions of the Japanese in China during the early 1930s? Japan was by this point fully industrialised. Its people were intelligent and disciplined. They were famed for their culture and gracefulness. And yet they what they did to countless numbers of innocent people was incredibly brutal and heartless, and entirely a matter of choice, as was their decision to go to war at all."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Japan frames its World War 2 experience around civilian suffering, and consequently spent its subsequent history as a pacifist nation that stays within its own borders.\nItaly and Germany frame their world war 2 experiences around the villains being in charge, and now that the \"good guys\" are in charge are more than willing to join US \"interventions\" around the globe.\nContemporary Germany could use a lot more remembering Dresden imo, for all their talk of the holocaust they seem to have forgotten that war itself is horrifically evil, and people from Yugoslavia to Afghanistan have paid the price."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThey weren't disciplined. Military personnel executed a Japanese politician who was against the war. General Matsui personally said that the Japanese military had the least disciplined soldiers in the world. When he became aware of what was going on, it greatly upset him and he did reprimand the soldiers for their barbarism. In fact the Japanese military famously invaded China on a whim; they weren't ordered to. Nor did they declare a war on China. It was complete madness. So the mass violence and abuse is something that does not surprise me as much.\nI just think that people didn't really understand the reality of the situation in Japan. Japan had been invading Korea for literally centuries, and had openly planned to destroy Korea and use it as a staging ground to war against China. They have always despised the Koreans and the Chinese and their vision was always to destroy and enslave them. So why was their culture famed? Why were they known for gracefullness? Because to spit in the face of the Europeans, or Americans, would have meant certain death. They learned that the hard way in WWII. So they kept it in their pants. But with the Chinese and Koreans, they were seen as an inferior people; unlike the Europeans who had themselves been enslaving Japanese for many centuries."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>They weren't disciplined.\n\nThey were certainly capable of considerable discipline, something they had shown during the Boxer Rebellion and the Russo-Japanese War. During the early 20th century, the Chinese and Koreans appeared by contrast as a rabble of incompetents no different from Indians or Burmese or any number of other insignificant and despicable people: the Japanese, many Westerners thought, had seemed different."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThey were better trained, but obviously not disciplined. I mean they really were literally doing whatever they wanted to, no matter how despicable. And the problem with that is that their actions during WWII so severely degraded their international reputation that I honestly think they will never live it down. The Koreans will always remember them for the mass sexual enslavement of teenagers and the Chinese will always remember them for killing hundreds of thousands of unarmed Chinese civilians, including literal babies, and raping teenagers to death in the street. It was really shortsighted and just shows the complete delusion of the Japanese at that time.\nNow the Chinese were pretty incompetant and had serious social issues, of course they had the civil war. Koreans, moreso than being incompetant, were just primitive in comparison to the Japanese. They were always the little guy that did not stand a chance against China or Japan, at least, at that time.\nThere was also an alleged moral degrading of the Japanese military following the Russo-Japanese war, but I can't speak much to that because I haven't studied the Russo-Japanese war to any detail. However, given that General Matsui himself specifically said that, I am inclined to believe it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan doesn't do that. Naive westerners do because nukes are le bad (even though the fire bombings were objectively worse)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nKoreans were and are frightening people, I actually believe glowie defector stories about what the North Koreans do, because they have the same genes as South Koreans, and what we know of what South Koreans are capable of is appalling.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre\n\nThere is also other shit like the Jeolla Province island slaves (homeless people) whose abuse was covered up by local Democratic Party politicians, the weird way both liberal AND conservative politicians seem surprisingly comfortable with North Koreans being used as a captive labour force for South Korean chaebols through \"joint-ventures\" that lets the North steal workers' already shitty pay despite how they still whine even now about Japanese forced labour in the past, etc."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nt. doesn't watch Japanese media but somehow wandered into 4chan anyway\n(they do talk a lot about the firebombings though, probably more than the nukes)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody really cares about the civilian suffering the Japanese inflicted because they were Asians too so it is easier for the situation to be analyzed in a vacuum."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nWhat I find fascinating about Koreans is that they ironically enough seem to have a purer, 20th century style contempt and hatred for \"mainland Asians\" than the Japanese themselves at this point. In some ways, if you want to know what Japanese people were like before the war in this respect, you could do worse than to buy a ticket to Seoul."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n> Japan was by this point fully industrialised\nJapan was at about 40% of employment in agriculture. Army recruited heavily from that segment and there's been a lot of writing about the role that peasant land hunger played in driving expansionism."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nFair enough, but it's all relative. And even if inaccurate, bottom line is Westerners saw Japs as the Asians with their shit together, so when they started wilding the way they did it raised eyebrows especially given their relatively exemplary conduct since the Meiji Restoration.\n\nAnd if we're honest, part of the horror at Japanese behaviour was that the Japanese dared treat Westerners who fell into their hands as badly as the Japanese treated \"fellow\" Asians (and as badly as Europeans had treated some Asians in the distant and sometimes uncomfortably less distant past, an aspect of this the Japanese liked to focus on as an example of Western hypocrisy and squeamishness: i.e. you did it why can't we)."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot White\nChina has run the American Empire for the past 60 years like the jews have."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\nI think the best way to say it is that the Japanese had great morale, but poor discipline."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why the hell does Japan get a pass?\nUnironically because people (yes not just racists, all Westerners including liberals etc.) do not see third-worlders as fully human or as important as whites or jews. Here is the \"how much you are supposed to care if they die\" list in order\n>holocaust victims especially secular ashkenazis\n>core whites (including germans after they got buckbroken + italians because muh food and muh rome)\n>japanese\n>peripheral whites (balkoids, slavs, \"weird\" conservative jews that wear the weird clothes)\n>black africans/diaspora\n>south americans\n>levantines, persians\n>arabs (muh bombs), chinese/indians (theres a lot of them)\n>everyone else because people don't know anything else exists also they get hit by tsunamis?? and plagues??\nthis list is objective"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAre Westerners the only people in the world who care about some people more than others, though? Thirdies have a similar bias where they often only care about their own people + maybe Westoids, if they are so inclined. I've met a lot of Thirdies and other foreigners who are like this\n\n>Japanese who care only about Japanese and Taiwanese if nationalistic, Japanese Taiwanese and Westoids if globohomo\n>Koreans who care only about Koreans if nationalistic, Koreans Japanese and Westoids if globohomo, Koreans and Japanese if Ilbe lol\n>Muslims who care only about Muslims if religious, their own nationality and Westoids if globohomo\n>Chinese who care only about Chinese if nationalistic, Chinese and Westoids if globohomo\n>Chinese Singaporeans and Malaysians who care only about ethnic Chinese if ethnic Changoid nationalist, Singaporeans Japanese Koreans and Westoids if globohomo"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">h-how could they be allowed to dislike us for nuking civilian centers\nAmericans really are utterly egocentric."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>nuke the staff and logistical headquarters for the IJA defence for southern napan\n>nuke the biggest shipyards in japan\nThis is Dresden tier dindu lmao"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nthey don't dislike the US for the nukes"}, {"id": 28, "content": "What was the deal with the \"log\" thing? Was it just a codeword that they kept using ironically?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the japs didn't explicitly ask for this. Granted they were still massive pieces of shit though."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Bombing\n>Bombing, Japan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I found an actual study with a decent sample size that measures the rs12913832 (herc2/oca2) snp (eye color predictor), so you guys stop posting that fake map (the one that claims to be made in shanghai)\nalso created a map/chart with all the results for that snp for any population and sources, i also included the density plot map, but the chart with the results is more important\n\nreminder: the rs12913832 is an important predictor for eye color but not the only one, so some inconsistencies may be due to that"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfor people that don't know how to read that\n2n is the sample size\nfrq A is the frequencies of ancestral\nfrq G is the frequencies of derived\nbasically the higher the frq G, the higher the incidence of the allele being derived and therefore higher the chances of having blue eyes\n\nfor example\na northern european will have 20% frq A 80% frq G\na berber will have 90% frq A 10% frq G\na west african will have 100% frq A 0% frq G"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it the greatest evil ever perpetrated on mankind?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "OP is a faggot\n\nsage"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The Bible is just as dangerous as any other religious text. It's not like ancient Canaanites weren't also using the Ugaritic Ba'al Cycle (from which descriptions of YHVH are \"borrowed\" in the O.T.) to justify war with neighboring tribes. Mythology will always be used to justify violence by its believers, that's a large part of why it's invented in the first place."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Nothing good comes from those desert religions."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nSounds like someone got their jimmies rustled"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Yes. Nothing good comes from religion.\nftfy"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nneither the canaanites nor the authors of the bible had access to the ugaritic ba'al cycle"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So Who did it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "i think it was me"}, {"id": 3, "content": "it was me"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe was doing porn in hollyjew, so most likely was a Jewish occult ritual murder"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGeorge Hodel, who is also the real Lipstick Killer"}, {"id": 6, "content": "nice MS Paint /pol/ infograph and actually the Italian Mafia was probably as or more involved in the porn industry historically than Jews"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nwhich one do i shoot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\npasta niggers aren't white or Christians they're C*thocuck pagan idolators. besides, Ashkenazi Jews are literally descended from like six guys who seduced Italian women after the Roman Empire collapsed\n\ntl;dr is two heads attached to the same body"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's a shame because she was a solid 9/10"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>t. least demented hyper-Augustinian Manichean Calvin worshipper"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nFake, Wikipedia says porn is healthy sexual expression"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nThis."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nHer vagina was malformed because of a birth defect so men couldn’t have that anyways."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf anyone really wants to know, the best possibility is Walter Bayley.\n\nhttps://lmharnisch.com/"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nshoot me"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nDid this guy ever publish a book with further evidence? Because his claim on the website is extremely circumstantial almost to point of comical."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYeah, we're still waiting for his book, but his theory is the best anyone has come up with.\n\nFor his more recent writings, there's his blog:\nhttps://ladailymirror.com/\n\nSteve Hodel is a charlatan and gets all the attention."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Website is from 04\n>Book still hasn't come out yeah\nYeah, thats not encouraging. It's a decent theory but it needs a lot more evidence before I'll bite. Hodel is even more circumstantial and in several cases even just straight up lying so I'll agree with you that it's the most compelling take I've heard yet."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Post anything relating to infighting. Civil wars, fratricides, mistaken identities, hairsplitting, colonizer-on-colonizer violence etc"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking does Sicily count as a proper part of Italy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe peninsula as a geographical entity?\nAs a cultural, economic, etc entity? Yes.\nAnd it has been for 800 years (minimum) at this point."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Historically speaking \"Italy\" is non-existent. It's like asking if Macedonia counts as part of Yugoslavia."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. It was added by Marcus Antonius during the life of Julius Caesar. You can find this in Cicero's letters.\n\n>>3\nRetard take. The nation of Italy is at least as old as the Romans."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey wanted to be a US state after WWII because so many people there hated Mussolini. It was a brief movement in the 40s that went absolutely nowhere.\n\n>uhhh what could had beem\n>a second Hawaii basically of a far off island state where the GDP is mostly mainland US tourists"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Sicilian folk hero Salvatore Giuliano (he is considered like their Robin Hood) was the main proponent of Sicily becoming a state. From IMDB\n\n>About 12 minutes into the film a voiceover says \"But our sons and our son's sons will live in a free land and will lift their gaze to the heavens and smile at the future.\" The next scene shows a cartoon drawn by Salvatore Giuliano. The cartoon depicts a man cutting a chain that connects Sicily with Italy, and another man pulling Sicily towards the United States. The voiceover and the cartoon express Salvatore Giuliano's belief that Sicily should be independent of Italy. He wanted it to become the 49th state in the US."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, and so does Corsica, but Sardinia does not. Sardinia is a unique African country(the Sardinian language is a remnant of African Romance). It could also be argued that North and South Italy should be separated to achieve optimalcy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Aristotleans thought you had to hammer quickly when forging/ blacksmithing because the metal because with speed, nature is surprised and it is not given time to resist the blows of the hammer\n\nWhy was Aristotle ever taken seriously again?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Aristotleans thought you had to hammer quickly when forging/ blacksmithing because the metal because with speed, nature is surprised and it is not given time to resist the blows of the hammer\nIs this not true? I mean, not literally, but that's pretty much how it works and you having the language to describe it more technically does not mean he was wrong."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It’s an metaphor"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nTo my knowledge, the Aristotleans saw that as literal. Ie the Universe would LITERALLY be surprised by the hammer banging the metal rapidly."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Can you please give the citation of where Aristotle says this?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI know I’m lampooning christcopes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt is from an hour and 55 seconds into this documentary on René Descartes.\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MK4za6bXmss&pp=ygUKY2FydGVzaXN1cw%3D%3D [Embed]\n\nIt is very well researched and cites word for word his 21 Rules so I assume the nonsense Aristotleans/ “Scholastic” theories about nature mentioned here are also true."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nOne throwaway line in a documentary (coming from a character who dislikes Aristotelians) doesn't mean that it was a mainstream position to *literally* believe that the universe was surprised. Although I will say that Aristotelians who dragged Aristotle's view of physics into the Enlightenment were retards and Aristotle himself would have changed his mind much more easily."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYou shouldn't believe everything you see on TV. I can't find anything about this in Aristotle's Physics or Descarte's collected works."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI assume it must be an intentionally dumbed down idea from Aristotle's Physics."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck you, maybe you should try explaining how forging and black smithing works without thousands of years of study to stand upon."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHammey makes metawl scare.\n\nTo scare to fight back again hammey. Hammey da winner."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come most Sunni Muslims today are super autistic Salafi types who go crazy if you step out of line with even one ruling established in some obscure Hadith? Most Muslims throughout history were more relaxed on things like practicing Sufism, creating music, venerating shrines and celebrating the birthday of Muhammad etc, but modern Sunnis condemn all these practices.\n\nIt would be like if 90% of Christians all suddenly became legalistic Protestants that forbade the celebration of Christmas or Easter and started burning historic Christian art/imagery."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Saudis used their oil wealth to export their insane brand of Islam around the world"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of them aren't, but Salafis have become a very vocal minority thanks to oil money. Go to any Muslim country, especially in South East Asia where the majority of Muslims are, and you will find lots of people doing all of those things you mentioned that Salafis condemn. These Salafis who think they're the true Muslims and all of those things are un-Islamic are just delusional."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam is going through its equivalent of the Protestant Reformation, with the interesting part that they have lost their equivalent to the papacy in the form of the caliphate. With no authority to check the reformation, and no widespread tangible reason to oppose it, many Salafi doctrines and attitudes have become consensus among Sunnis, even if they are not Salafis par excellence. The character of Sunni Islam is drastically different from what it was 300 years ago, by all considerations."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Islam is going through its equivalent of the Protestant Reformation, with the interesting part that they have lost their equivalent to the papacy in the form of the caliphate.\nInteresting take."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Probably because of the decline in power of Muslim nations since the age of modernity, so they double down."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How come most Sunni Muslims today are super autistic Salafi types\nare they though ? all the muslims I know are pretty liberal, only really taking the no pork stuff seriously, and even then. Stuff like the blue eye charms and whatever are also really common and i'm pretty sure they're considered idolatry or magic or whatever and are supposed to be haram.\n\nI got invited to my brother's friend coming of age ceremony thing a few years back and there were a few women without scarfs there, not even counting the westerners present.\n\nidk how it is in actually muslim majority countries, went to Egypt as a kid and it seemed pretty lax too but that was a while ago"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSalafis are based."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnemy is radicalizing, you gotta match your opposition or be subverted."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Orthodox BAD because uh…they have different autonomous language groups.\nIs this seriously the best refutation that papists have?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsneed"}, {"id": 3, "content": "another religioid thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": "No they’re bad because they’re deliberately disobedient to central authority, have an unscriptural understanding of the Holy Spirit, and teach Palamist speculative theology as dogma."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\ncringe"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nOrthodox BAD because\nidol worship\nfocus on tradition rather than scripture\nused as a tool of corrupt governments, like in Russia"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe best argument for Catholicism I’ve seen goes along these lines"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>idol worship\ncatholics no?\n>focus on tradition rather than scripture\nexmaple?\n>used as a tool of corrupt governments, like in Russia\nother institutions arent?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nIt’s good to be disobedient to central authorities when they change ancient creeds"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Orthodox BAD because\n>idol worship\n>focus on tradition rather than scripture\n>used as a tool of corrupt governments, like in Russia"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nwhy u triggered"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nLuther was at least consistent. The irony is that post was likely made by a Cathocuck who does the same thing."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nshow evidence for Luther eating poo and cite a reliable source or you are a humbug."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHe didn’t eat poop. He did however say that pooping was “releasing the devil” out of him or some other stupid thing like that which is why it is memed on."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nthis is like drawing Symeon sucking a dick because he liked to compare his dick to God\nhttps://www.purplemotes.net/2018/10/21/symeon-new-theologian/"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrthodox bad because caesaro-papism\nsame reason why Anglicans bad"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThe Anglicans have their monarch as their head of church. Who is the head of the Orthodox Church?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Who is the head of the Orthodox Church?\ndivided into local bishops (metropolites) who are for some reason in a political conflict with each other and tries to either appeal to their government or tries to appeal another Orthodox state, instead of appealing to theological issues.\nChurch of Greece is in conflict with Constantinople who is in conflict with Russia who is friends with Serbia who is in conflict with Montegero who is in communion with Greek and Constantinople. Antioch and Jerusalem still didnt settle the issues. Nobody recognizes Macedonia. And this is just tip of the iceberg, the political and ethnic issues causing division is even more esoteric in America.\nAlso no, Anglican Church has no head and you are talking about the Church of England. This is like saying patriarch Kiril is head of Orthodox Church."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>inb4 this is not caused by caesaropapism\nhttps://eastern-orthodox.weebly.com/curious-saints-pt-1.html\nMaybe yes, but caesaropapism did i deed caused you guys to canonise a pedophile bloodthirsty warlord because\n*checks the list*\n*wears glasses*\nhe was emperor of Serbs"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, but if you're from a traditionally Catholic or Protestant country, there's not really any way to practice Orthodoxy without attaching yourself to an explicitly foreign church. Its cultural specificity might be okay for places where its long established, but it limits it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nI’m whitebread middle American as can be, but I speak fluent Greek. Would I be accepted in Greek Church?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>Also no, Anglican Church has no head and you are talking about the Church of England. This is like saying patriarch Kiril is head of Orthodox Church\nTouché\n\n>>21\nYes"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nYou'd be accepted even if you didn't speak a word of Greek, the problem imo is that you as an American shouldn't have to be part of a Greek church to be a legit Christian."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThe same people who say this will also say that western Buddhism is inauthentic and the only way to be a “real Buddhist” is to study with Asians"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUh excuse me sweaty but you must touch your left shoulder first not your right."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nActually I'd say the exact same thing about Buddhism. Obviously Zen Buddhism in Japan is different culturally from Chinese Chan Buddhism which is different from the culture Bodhidharma was a part of in India. So to be a legit \"Zen\" Buddhist in the west, you shouldn't have to do anything particularly Japanese. The idea that you would is a kind of orientalist cultural fetishism really."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhat are you even saying bro? White Buddhists are cringe. Sorry your culture hasn’t sustained an authentic expression of Christianity, but it’s not the church’s fault"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>White Buddhists are cringe\n\nThey are and so are western Orthodox converts, for the exact same reason. They're both orientalist larpers."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Orthodox BAD because uh…they have different autonomous language groups\nI'm always saying this!"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>hurr you LARPer U just like the exotic\nWhen will this gay strawman die?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nStudying Buddhism immersed with Asians is not cringe; all-white or mostly-white Buddhist organizations are cringe. The general principle is that linking up with the ethnicity to whom the religion you are interested in belongs is the only respectable way to go."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nYeah sorry the actual reason you converted is that you think Putin is based."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>When will this gay strawman die?\n\nWhen Americans and Brits stop thinking they have to attend masses in Greek or Russian and pray looking at Byzantine style artwork to be legitimate Christians\n\nBecause nobody is doing that because of their opinions on filioque or something. They're doing it because they've an orientalist fantasy about the \"degenerate\" west and the \"traditional\" east where Orthodoxy and its associated cultures basically represents the nearest sufficiently white, Christian one that's untainted by western degeneracy."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy do they play dress-up?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>When Americans and Brits stop thinking they have to attend masses in Greek or Russian and pray looking at Byzantine style artwork to be legitimate Christians\nWhere are these Americans and Brits? Show me one shred of proof that people like thus exist.\n>>32\nSuch a retarded post I won’t even try to give a response to it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nhttps://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1096741988/orthodox-christian-churches-are-drawing-in-far-right-american-converts"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>Show me one shred of proof that people like thus exist.\n>>30"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>npr\ndropped"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nFilioque is directly related to western degeneracy"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nI don't care what you think of the slant of the article, you ask for proof that such people exist and I gave it."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>But ROCOR, which Krindatch estimated in 2020 to have roughly 24,000 adherents, experienced a striking shift. While the number of ROCOR adherents declined by 14%, Krindatch found that the number of parishes grew by 15%.\nSo basically it's a fucking_nothing.png trend extrapolated by NPR into another lazy story about le spooky rise of the dark alt-right far-right Q-tards MAGAcult backed by Putin to subvert ARE DEMOCRACY"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>33\nYou're attacking a strawman. I'm an EO convert legit because of filioque and other reasons. I couldn't care less about east vs. west, degeneracy, or whatever, I'm literally a liberal and would attend clown mass if it was orthodox"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nSure, we're talking about a tiny fringe number of right wing weirdos, but when we're talking about western Orthodox converts on 4chan these are literally the exact people we're talking about."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nOk, so your whole perception of Orthodoxy is based on one article of dubious journalistic credibility."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nIt states that the number of adherents has decreased by 15%"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nNope, I'd never even seen that article before I googled \"western orthodox converts\" five minutes ago, yet it somehow aligns up exactly with every preconceived notion I have of westerners who promote Orthodoxy on this site"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>32\nYou know theres more than just russian orthodox right? Most greek orthoodx or orthodox people that support Bartholomew couldnt give 2 shits about putin. putin is a larp himself if you look what hes doing in ukraine to \"orthodox brothers\" so anyone with a working brain should understand that putin does nothing more than using it as a tool for le west bad"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nI'd say you're probably somewhat of an outlier in that regard. What I'm attacking is the attitude of the typical kind of Orthodox convert you find here. Maybe that's not you. But they do exist."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nAre they in this room right now?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nIf by room you mean this thread or this board, then 100 per cent yes"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>44\nNo, it's from growing up in an (ex-)Serbian Orthodox family and seeing goobers like you googaw over how LE BASADO Y REDPILLADO \"Orthodoxy\" is because the e-celebs that you're in a parasocial relationship with said that it is.\n\n>>45\nYes, negroes and Alaskan Indians are converting to Orthodoxy, those two groups are the targets of Orthodox evangelism in the US."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>3\nThen don’t comment!"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nOrthodox Christianity has had a decent presence in Alaska Native communities since the time of Russian colonization so that's not surprising."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>7\n>Claims to have ultimate authority through succession of Peter.\n>Even though Peter was never Bishop of Rome, The Bishop of Rome was a position subservient to and appointed by the Emperor in Constantinople, The Bishop of Rome did not even start claiming to be Peters successor until the 400's, and Peter himself never bequeathed his authority in a geographical location or particular administrative position or established any mechanism through which it could be transferred much less to the Bishop of Rome in particular.\nFace it Cathlicuck, your entire religion is a sham made up to win internal administrative conflicts."}, {"id": 55, "content": "Say what you will about the actual truth of the religions themselves, but the weird quasi-international state of the Pope has made Western Christianity way more successful in spreading than Orthodoxy. Every Orthodox Church outside a native Orthodox country is basically just a cultural nostalgia center for the old folks since you while you can spread \"Christianity\" to another country you can't spread \"Bulgarian\" to another country."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nIt was just the church piggybacking on the success of western European powers in colonising the world, it had nothing to do with muh national church as seen with Russian evangelisation among native americans, siberians etc (and the rest of the orthodox world being under the Ottoman thumb)."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nRussia was never able to convert any of It's Catholic or Lutheran holdings despite the same not being true in reverse."}, {"id": 58, "content": "Orthodox claim they're the one true church founded by Christ, and traditionally the only way to salvation. Yet even today, they couldn't be asked to evangelize the nations of the world like Christ commanded the apostles. Almost all Orthodox churches outside of traditional Orthodox countries were founded in ethnic enclaves of Greeks, Russians, Serbs, etc. The only Orthodox I've ever seen who takes a proactive approach in spreading Orthodoxy are former Protestants. They laugh at Evangelicals, when they haven't made any strong mission efforts since the conversions of the Slavs. They laugh, when evangelism is a core teaching and commandment of Christ and the apostles."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm kind of conflicted on tariffs. On one hand, it's the government trying to ensure that local businesses are robust while minimizing foreign imports and intervention. But on the other hand, some say that tariffs lower the value of the currency in any given nation. I lean more pro-tariff than anti-tariff, but I'm not sure at this point."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt depends upon whether you have a dynamic internal market already, and what your political balance between competition-exposed sectors and consumers is. If you do have a dynamic, well-regulated internal market, protectionism can accelerate the developmental process by a few years. If you don't, all you'll get is low-productivity, sluggish enterprises doing the equivalent of extortion from the rest of the population. There is nothing that inherently makes a business pursue productivity and quality improvements. Tariffs mean higher costs for others in the country; they may not want to pay, and could politically mobilize to limit or reduce tariffs. Tariffs on wheat, for example, mean higher incomes for wheat growers (who may or may not be productive) but higher prices for everyone else without any guarantee or way to insure that the wheat growers reinvest in their agricultural operations rather than using their extra income for consumption or lobbying for further rents."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat if it was a blanket tariff? ALL export tariffs are reduced to 0.01% and ALL import tariffs are raised 320%. I don't see how that would harm anyone within your nation. As you said, you would have to make sure businesses were well-regulated within your country, barring that, it would only lead to unmitigated prosperity."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck...."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nExcuse me, sir?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>ALL export tariffs are reduced to 0.01% and ALL import tariffs are raised 320%\nOther countries would generally retaliate, and could asymmetrically retaliate against sectors that you are already internationally competitive in - UK blocking American wheat as payback for the USA blocking British wares and Imperial German agricultural protectionism limiting their export markets being examples. If there are sectors where you can't reasonably expect to be competitive (like small countries and anything requiring vast economies of scale) or you need to import, all you've done is drive up prices. Your nascent industry will probably need to import capital goods, so make sure you aren't inadvertently hurting them.\nFor the general problem (and assuming no retaliation), most people will experience your scenario as a rise in the prices they pay (to obtain potentially inferior goods) without any corresponding increase in wages (whether due to low unit productivity or employer power or whatever). Certain producers can profit heavily off of that, and with the right incentives/economic structure, might reinvest it in ways that will make the country richer decades later, but that depends heavily on non-tariff factors, and probably wouldn't be voted for by the general population, who generally want to increase their own consumption. Import substitution in Latin America against consumption-suppression in East Asia being the most famous instance of the two cases."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI was going to argue with you, but then I realized tea, coffee, sugar and chocolate MUST be grown in the equatorial regions. So obviously the good stuff can't have import tariffs on it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>So obviously the good stuff can't have import tariffs on it.\nHave fun explaining to the population why the stuff you like gets in for free while the stuff they like gets taxed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTariffs are okay in the short-run since it helps your domestic industry to develop and earns some cash, but over time they become a hinderance since your industry won't develop into being competitive. In terms of pure costs you also end up paying just as much in tariffs which other countries place on you in retaliation, and the costs of tariffs still end up being felt by your population the same way as a normal tax. The Jones Act (although obviously not a tariff) is a good example of how protecting local businesses is ultimately detrimental to their development, since they don't need to adapt and then before long become completely uncompetitive internationally."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nLOL. It's not that there isn't consensus about this. Citizens of a nation prefer to make 99% of consumed products. It's ONLY tea, ONLY coffee, ONLY sugar and ONLY chocolate that western nations crave. We literally don't need anything else."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Citizens of a nation prefer to make 99% of consumed products\nNo they don't. Look at the Corn Laws, or the equivalent struggles between protectionist agricultural producers and industrial workers who wanted cheaper food in 19th Century Europe, or the struggle between protectionist industrialists and farmers who wanted cheaper goods in the 19th Century USA. Citizens prefer to maximize their consumption (at the expense of investment) and minimize their living expenses."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I don't think this is the time period you're talking about, but in the 80s Japan banned foreign electronics, which made their companies (sony, panasonic) huge and powerful and turned them into an industrial powerhouse exporter, and had them as the world's third largest economy forever."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nDidn't they crash horribly in the 90's, causing an economic depression that lasts to this day? I'm not saying it's a direct result of the tariffs, just something to consider."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThat's a separate matter and has to do with the housing bubble, which didn't have anything to do with tariffs."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nJesus Christ...did the 2008 housing bubble ruin every life on fucking planet Earth?! One day they'll write six-part historical tomes on how millennials were the most fucked-over generation of all time."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nSo, in other words, most amount of product for the lowest cost, i.e., importing from third world nations. The only problem with this is it destroys local economies."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nDifferent housing bubble.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble\nhttps://youtu.be/p5Ac7ap_MAY [Embed]\n\nThe upside of this is houses in Japan are now dirt cheap, so cheap in fact you can find multiple gaijin who decided to go live in Japan simply because they could afford to as opposed to the monopoly prices in the rest of the world."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBut isn't it true that most people in Japan live in apartments the size of a closet and they can hear their neighbors scream at each other through the walls?!?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nIn those historical cases\n>increasing British agricultural imports was net-beneficial because it improved living standards for the industrial working class at the expense of the inefficient agricultural landlords\n>European industrial workers were correct, and European agriculture had to improve its practices\n>American farmers were net-correct, foreign markets providing foreign income and driving agricultural economies of scale which produced a generally thriving agricultural sector which spilled over into a thriving industrial sector\nRather than saving economies the protectionists in these cases were just enriching themselves at everyone else's expense. The solution to the \"problem\" of international wage competition is to shift the terms of competition onto issues of productivity, performance, scale, and quality, which you ought to be doing domestically anyway. 1950s Japan had a far more competitive domestic automotive market than the USA, which they parlayed into a superior market position while the de facto protected American automotive industry spent decades staggering toward bankruptcy."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes and so is caps on wealth acquisition"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYeah I think the reason why socialized healthcare and free tuition don't pass in the United States of America when they pass in literally every other country in the history of mankind is because Americans are controlled by HUGE monied interests such as pharmaceutical companies, universities and Amazon Prime. This is why BOTH Republicans and Democrats are worthless."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Is it true that Mercantilism never actually existed and it only began to exist in a limited way when Adam Smith wrote the Wealth of Nations?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nI'm not an expert, but The Wealth of Nations was written in 1776 and Mercantilism had been around since colonialism, so I would have to say \"No\" to your question. I could be wrong though."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nJapanese houses are weird. There are ample abandoned/cheap houses but nobody uses them because:\n1. They consider them unsafe. (Earthquakes mean the older a building is the less structurally sound it is.)\n2. Their tenancy could be revoked as the government decides to pull the house down.\nIt's also difficult to get insurance for older houses due to the aforementioned earthquake thing.\nObviously they could just build them out of better materials, but it's sort of a self-perpetuating cycle where people simply perceive old houses to be worse, so they don't build them to last because there's no return on the investment.\nhttps://youtu.be/b1AOm17ZUVI?t=463 [Embed]\n\n\n>housing market\n: |\n>housing market, japan\n:O"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>the existence of earthquakes actively reduces construction quality\nWhy are humans like this? Why do we pretend the free market is acceptable in this matter?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nWow, you're a formidable opponent! The way you post forces the reader to take in every word. I read your post multiple times and I think what you have is industrial bias. I know country folk can be ass-backwards. I know they hate fags, coloreds, just like the rest of us. But that doesn't mean that their skills aren't VITAL to life on earth. I wanted to be a farmer (To the point of researching budgets of running a farm) until I learned that it wasn't a profitable venture anymore. That broke my heart. Does this mean we outsource ALL agriculture from South America?? NO! This means the government gives STRONG incentives to work the land, in an ethical way, so that Western nations can thrive once again. TikTok will probably prevent this from happening, though, sadly."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nIt's sort of like how the US has buildings in typhoon areas made of wood and corrugated metal where as in Europe, where these don't exist, they're made of bricks."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIsn't that how Katrina happened?!?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nWe need to distinguish between individual farmers and large-holding landlords like the Junkers. The former are good and in a proper system will work to improve their productivity and yields, the latter generally aren't and want everything to stay stagnant. It's normally the latter that wanted tariffs and other trade barriers, and who opposed the economic changes that actually brought development. \"Protecting\" a traditional agricultural sector means that it doesn't produce surpluses of capital and labor which serve as the feedstock for industrialization, and industry is directly hit by elevated costs of food.\n>we outsource ALL agriculture from South America\nSouth America doesn't have general comparative advantage in agriculture vis-a-vis the US/Canada/Netherlands/France. Agriculture (where low single-digit shares of the population grow enough to feed everyone) is a spectacular example of the application of technology and innovation to increase production and lower prices while enhancing rural standards of living. Historically, unstable input prices and overproduction have been bigger causes of farm unprofitability than foreign competition. Wages are lower in the third world, but so are most positive qualities, which is why they can't convert low wages and population surpluses into instant societal development. Even China still has 20+% of the population in agriculture."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nIf the older buildings aren't used and everyone's living in code-compliant houses, then there's no problem. If anything, constant replacement ought to make the quality of housing stock higher, since there's none of the problems of refurbishing and renovating older buildings. It's like how cars today are intrinsically far safer than retrofitted older cars would be."}, {"id": 31, "content": "A rather decent thread on /his/, how surprising! Hope it keeps on like this a while longer. Lord, protect this thread from shitposters, autists and schizos."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nYou and I both agree that what's REALLY valuable is the sweet stuff grown in the Equator. Maybe some ECOLOGICAL historian will write a history book on why all the best stuff is grown in tropical climates. Having said that, your graphic on how grains are virtually worthless in the world made me quite sad. Where I disagree is where you say that ONLY elites will profit from tariffs. Although that's been true throughout much of history, it doesn't HAVE to be this way. In the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland, for example, there are government programs to preserve the traditional processes of cheese-making. This is ESSENTIAL for national sovereignty! Do middle class men get hit by inflated prices? This is only a problem if the local government doesn't regulate minimum wage as well - and when I say minimum wage, I mean \"minimum at which a man can survive\" not the bastardized American version of the term where they say \"It's a job to give some experience.\" I want McDonald's employees to be able to afford their own apartments.\n\nThe other thing I have to say is I don't necessarily have a problem with technology. I'm an atheist, so I think if technology makes a farmer's life easier, then so be it. The only problem is when technology supplants human labor. In a perfect world, technology replacing labor would be a good thing, but because of rent, mortgage and wages, technology replacing wages has become a bad thing. The problem with all of the social programs that have been tried before is that they WEREN'T TRIED PROPERLY! You're supposed to tax the 1 percent, not Joe Six-Pack, his wife, his kids and his grandkids."}, {"id": 33, "content": "For all their flaws, the Unites States should never have abandoned the tariffs, because that forced the gov't to rely on income and consumption taxes for revenue, which hurt its people much more than the tariffs."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>9\nI don't understand this nonsense of a nation being \"uncompetitive.\" (Spellcheck tells me it's not even a real word.) Can someone please explain this to me?!? It doesn't seem possible from a traditional standpoint."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>there are government programs to preserve the traditional processes of cheese-making\nWhich is done for cultural/identity reasons, not as some path to economic prosperity. Same way that military budgets represent money that could be spent elsewhere but competent countries still pass them.\n> if the local government doesn't regulate minimum wage as well\nThis has to be a transfer from the protected sector, though not so large a transfer (or to so many people) that it eliminates their added income from reduced competition. Otherwise, you're adding yet another cost to those already paying for the tariff. Production hasn't actually increased, so it's unlikely that the numbers will work out without someone eating the loss. And of course, increasing wages/consumption limits the pool of capital available for investment.\n> technology replacing labor would be a good thing\nIt is, if you can produce enough high-quality, high-productivity service sector jobs.\n>You're supposed to tax the 1 percent\nThat's how they do things in developing countries. Doesn't produce adequate revenues, even without considering capital flight. Also creates bad \"you buy but I pay? No way!\" scenarios."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>It doesn't seem possible from a traditional standpoint.\nYeah it does. Plenty of cases where a country was famous for its production of some good, where others for whatever reason couldn't produce that good in the quality or quantity needed"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nYes, but it isn't tariffs that cause that problem, was my point."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nShould taxes exist?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>28\nNot just Katrina. Anything built in America since the 1970's is designed to only stand up juuuuust long enough for the realtor to reach the horizon before it collapses. Other example include every state in Tornado Alley having a yearly reenactment of The Wizard of Oz, and the entire Atlantic coast south of Virgina falling over like a house of cards every Hurricane Season. This country made of cardboard falls over every year and every year the Boomers ask \"How could this have happened?\" as they sign another zoning regulation outlawing everything not a McMansion suburb."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nGod I fucking hate boomers for destroying America."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nThey can contribute to it.\n>I can't produce goods as good or as cheaply as my foreign competition\n>get tariffs or other protection\n>still can't produce goods as good or as cheaply, but I've got guaranteed markets now\n>I have no actual incentive to improve\nIn the case of the Jones Act, American shipbuilders produce ships that are lower quality than leading foreign competitors' while being higher cost. Jones Act forces American-made ships to be used on routes connecting American ports. The resulting market isn't large enough to support a decent number of competitors, nor do the competitors have the revenues/competitive pressure/cost structure to improve their output to international levels. So the USA still has a commercial shipbuilding industry, but it's garbage and going to be garbage for the foreseeable future, driving up costs of whoever is forced to deal with it without adding any value. Unfucking that would require a level of funding and competent government intervention that the USA isn't capable of."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>29\nwhere'd you get this infographic?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nYes. They ought even to be progressive. But a scenario where only a small segment of the population or a single sector is paying the bills is suboptimal.\n>>42\nObservatory of Economic Complexity. https://oec.world/en"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtectionism works in a few situations, there are sometimes strategic goals like achieving \"autarky\", but in terms of economics it is not a rule.\n\nProtectionism can only capture domestic markets, which poses a dilemma. If you want to promote coal mining and place a tariff on coal, this will hurt the steel mills which thrive on cheap coal. If you want to promote steel you must lift tariffs on coal and place tariffs on steel, but now manufacturing must pay more for steel. Your country could have expanded manufacturing of auto parts if it had access to cheap steel, but now struggles with high steel prices while your limited capital is going towards some heavy industry it was perhaps not ready for."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be 70s chinese writer\n>make a novel portraying manchu protagonist and his emperor friend (kangxi) as shameless, backstabbing traitorous cunt scammer while han chinese character is portrayed as loyal and righteous\n>ended up backfiring as the protagonist and his scummy antics become the most beloved character by far\n>got so popular that it becomes cultural phenomenon\n>years later the CCCP made not one but TWO drama adaptation\nwhat are some other historical example where propaganda ended up backfiring?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe villains of movie \"The Message\" are a meme among ex-Muslims."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do the Han Chinese worship the Manchus so much?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis is great, thanks for sharing"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\n>>3\nWhy do Iraqi Arabs pretend to be their Turkish fathers on the internet?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Uh oh op you revved him"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe Iraqi paedo is >>3 here.\n\nAsk him to curse Aisha."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nWell, think about it. The Manchus enslaved them for centuries and ruled over them so the Han Chinese eventually saw them as gods and probably still do."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Manchus worship Han general Guan Yu as god.\n\nTurks brutalise and impregnate Sunni Arab refugees to this day. You will never be free from slavery by non-Arabs."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>>8\nThese two are all the Iraqi Sunni Arab child molester in Sweden who causes and hates non-Muslims and non-Arabs.\n\nProof? Ask these samefagging posts to curse Aisha which only Sunnis won't do. What's sthe chance every single samefaggot responding to these is a Sunni Muslim?\n\nHe pretended to be Turkish when he was humiliated over Iraqi Arabs being raped by Ottomans and Mongols and pretended that Iraqi Arabs were treated nice by their masters when they were brutally raped and treated as cattle by Turco Mongols over a millenia.\n\nIf you are Chinese you know who is posting this now on /his/. It's not a white person."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you into Chinese media? It's all wuxia, palaces, and martial arts shit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nthats pretty much it for pop culture export unless youre a three kingdom fan\nthey also have comic and animation industries but they're years behind japan and barely anyone outside of china knows about it"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Chinese_Novels\nstart with these, all of these is translated"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYou'd think Taiwan at least would represent. Japan has anime, Korea has kpop, China, all 1.4 billion of them has...?\n\nDo any of their shit dramas at least have cute girls?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe problem with Chinese media is the domestic market is so fucking huge, they don't bother catering to foreign audiences like what Korea's superamericanized entertainment industry does, and the Chang's taste is too alien unlike Japan's.\n\nThis applies to ALL Chinese, Mainland and Otherwise.\n\nThat said, Hong Kong Action Cinema has global influence in terms of stuntwork. They invented wire-fu and non-static gunfights both of which are hollywood standards now."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt isn't Americanised. Koreans are just such consoomers."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThere's a stigma attached to Chinese media in the West. The Internet mocks every little thing that comes out of China, like all the memes about the Chinese language, such as Bing Chilling. I think the CCP perhaps recognizes that, because otherwise they spend billions on soft power each year."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nHm,nowdays Han Chinese hate Manchus more than Mongolian."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn’t any sultans after Mehmet care about taking Italy and strengthening the legitimacy of the Roman claim?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because they had no Roman claim."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they couldn't, italy wasn't some balkanoid microstate or crumbling empire like the rest of roach ''conquests''"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause even Unholy German Abomination was more legitimate (that is, legitimacy being above 0) than Roachshitskinistan. Multiplying 0 by anything is still 0."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMehmet was a romantic for Rome, he knew multiple languages and he was in contact with Italy. Thats caused him to have an ambition to become a Roman emperor, he was an intellectual and he genuinely had interest in history.\nHis successors were not intellectuals like him. Yavuz Sultan Selim had more focus on becoming the leader of all Muslims. His successor Suleiman was more interested in wealth and having his name written in history, so he aimed for territorial gain rather than any romantic gains and fought agaisnt Austrians. And all hope is lost especially during the reign of his successor Selim the Blonde who was a drunkard and more interest in brawn and physical strength rather than any governmental issues."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSelim the Blonde is what happens when you mate with a Slavoid woman, it is not worth it guys your aon becomes a retarded drunkard who lifts horses to show off strength."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRealistically they would have crusade after crusade called against them and due to the more centralized position in the Mediterranean they wouldn't have been half assed memes. Had they taken Rome I don't think even the big nose traitor could have put up with that.\n>>5\n>Mehmet was a romantic for Rome, he knew multiple languages and he was in contact with Italy. Thats caused him to have an ambition to become a Roman emperor, he was an intellectual and he genuinely had interest in history.\nAlso this big reason"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Realistically they would have crusade after crusade called against them\nThis already happened anyway and they won. Furthermore, if they tried it during the Reformation it would've been a nightmare scenario for the church."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nCounter point: Can YOU lift a horse? I doubt it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>This already happened anyway and they won.\nyes, in the balkans much farther away where they increasingly had homefield advantage. Going into Italy is opening up a new frontier with no direct land route and surrounded by sea.\n>Furthermore, if they tried it during the Reformation it would've been a nightmare scenario for the church.\nStill comes down to what France would have done in my opinion. Would they have still taken a stance against the catholic league with the turks invading Italy and potentially Rome, the catholic holy land? We'll never know."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNavy kept getting btfo'd by the Spanish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How have microstates lasted so long? You're telling me that no dictator ever thought to just send in 10 troops and take them over?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Switzerland actually has done this before (accidentally).\n\nhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6415531.stm"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere's nothing to gain from doing so though, so why bother?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you made it into the second half of the 20th century you pretty much won the game. Also they're so insignificant to any neighbor there's 0 reason to bother fucking with them because then someone else will step in."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSan Marino during Fascist Italy was bizarre. It was ruled by its own fascist party and proclaimed its own Duce. Presumably it was de facto controlled by Rome, but they never felt the need to integrate it even though they easily could have."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nThe Vatican bowed to Mussolini during the war but I read once that he helped Jews escape too. Mussolini was too afraid of the Chhurch to do anything to them. The whole of Italy would’ve turned against him."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrench armies invaded the papal states numerous times in the revolutionary and Napoleonic eras. Napoleon jailed two popes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nTell that to Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, USSR, East Germany, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Ethiopia, Sudan….."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>No microstates mentioned\nThere’s a vast difference between Czechoslovakia and a town with a population of 40,000. Czechoslovakia has actual resources, Monaco is a beach town."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIronically, nowadays this might be reversed because Monaco holds significant financial resources while most Eastern European countries have literally nothing of value other than semi-white humans"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThose financial resources only hold value because of the country’s independence. As soon as Monaco is annexed by Italy it loses all relevance as a financial powerhouse for its size and becomes a beach town that practically the entire world can unite to defend."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYeah, but you can rob what is there for the time being. It's probably cost-effective relative to the effort needed to do so."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhy would Italy annex Monaco if anything it would be annexed by France."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And the strangest thing is, Koreans will say that it's the other way around, but Koreans seem to have more uniformly negative attitudes towards Taiwan than the reverse, since Taiwanese at least enjoy Korean food, entertainment and manufactured goods, while most Koreans don't seem to have anything positive to say about Taiwan (anymore), and will almost theatrically make a point of saying that there is nothing about Taiwan worth praising or even noticing (\"I mix up Taiwan with Thailand,\" \"Taiwan is just a province of China\" etc.).\n\nWhen and why did this all start?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSouth Korean women are prostitutes in Taiwan both during Japanese colonial rule and now.\n\nhttps://archive.is/ltQlm\n\nhttps://archive.is/PLAds"}, {"id": 3, "content": "taiwan is half chink half jap the two things gooks hate the most"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">how come thing i just made up in my head that i'm now seething over?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAre you ignorant, or lying? This is absolutely a thing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nKoreans are half Japanese and half Manchu from Imjin war rape in the 1590s and 1636 Qing rape of Joseon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI have never once seen Koreans seething over Taiwanese or vice versa.\nhttps://youtu.be/1DsLRe6siGo [Embed]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nDO you mean changs?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nGookreans."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nHan Gook"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Everything that was said about Jesus is actually about the Jews and the nation of Israel.\n\nNotice how God gave the Jews back Israel in 1948, and ever since then gentiles and their Pagan religions are going down the drain.\n\n>Exodus 4:22\nThis is what Yahweh says:\n“Israel is My son, My firstborn.\n\n>Hosea 11:1\nWhen Israel was a youth I loved him,\nAnd out of Egypt I called My son.\n\n>Isaiah 41:8\n“But you, Israel, My servant,\nJacob whom I have chosen\n\n>Isaiah 53\nHe (Jacob/Israel) was wounded for our offenses,\nHe was crushed for our wrongdoings\nThe punishment for our well-being was laid upon him,\nAnd by his wounds we are healed ...\nMy Servant (Israel), will justify the many,\nFor he will bear their wrongdoings.\n\n>Hosea 6:2\nHe will revive us (Israel) after two days;\nHe will raise us (Israel) up on the third day,\nThat we (Israel) may live before him."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo! Christianity is doing fine! It is the future!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut Christianity is the \"one true\" religion!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Posters: 1"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\ni was just about to post his kek\npathetic OP"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nNo shit I made the other 2 posts you Christian geniuses. Yet you can't refute a single thing posted. So this thread goes on, redpilling any lurker that clicks, gradually killing the Christian cancer on this board."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Fascism is better than Communism, then why is communist music so much better than fascist music?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I only know a few pieces from each side but the Soviet anthem is pretty good, I'll give you that."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt isn’t"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s not and half of those red army choir songs were carried over from imperial russian times"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI prefer the State Merited Chorus over the Red Army Choir to be honest.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3YDcIoQJs0&t=3569s [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSPBP"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIMO its usually because Fascists are all about \"muh heritage\" so instead of doing something new, they just rehash old shit. Communists meanwhile actually make new stuff or (in China, Cuba's, and CPUSA's case) draw on folk musical traditions to relate more with the lower classes.\n\nMost of Nazi Germany's compositions are just Imperial German/Prussian/Hapsburg marches and compositions. Their original compositions meanwhile like Horst Wessel-lied or Erika is repetitive dogshit.\n\nYou can say the same with their entire aesthetics really. Fascists just appropriate stuff monarchists made and make it \"National\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou're describing reactionary traditionalism not progressive fascism."}, {"id": 9, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg8GlYeCWuM [Embed]\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D2jyuJaSAU&list=RDPg8GlYeCWuM&index=13 [Embed]\n\nFascism is traditionalist."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nDon't care, fascism is so short lived, they all rook & do same."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nSeriously, Wagner mogs the entirety of the Soviet oeuvre combined."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou don't even know what fascism is or was"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why can't you have both?\n\nThe last decade and the near constant psychological warfare on the population has proven that people are divided on their capability for critical thinking and morality. People, as understood by Locke, exist among the masses as a sizeable minority. People, as understood by Hobbes, exist among the masses as the majority.\n\nIf the state can recognize the existence of these two and test to see which is which, could they not have a different \"experience\" for them without causing aggression between them? A libertarian existence for the Locke-men, and a more authoritarian existence for the Hobbes-men, with the latter being told they are getting the same experience as the former because they'll believe anything the state tells them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hobbes was a crypto frenchoid"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCalhoun bested both of them by invoking Aristotle"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "wrong\nmalicious\ninsane\n\nvs\n\nright\nbenevolent\nsane\n\nWhat is this? Who wrote about this? There must be volumes..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">your Empire military gets exposed as a paper tiger in 1905\n>Radicalizes soldiers more against you\n>nobody literally likes you, You only keep power because you bring stability and order\n>Socialism ideas becoming popularity among peasantry and intellectuals\n>The country you run is basically a mafia corrupt state\n>Everything is deplorable\n\n>I know! Let's Enter a war against Germany, europe's most powerful country what could go wrong!?\nGood thing russian next autocrats will not repeat the same parallels more than a Century later, right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI shit on Nicky a lot, but I don't blame him for getting involved in WWI. Leaving Serbia to die would have been wise, but it also would have been humiliating and a betrayal of Slavism, making him look weaker than ever. That being said, I do blame him for not pulling out of the war sooner, could have avoided a lot of shit if he had."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>That being said, I do blame him for not pulling out of the war sooner, could have avoided a lot of shit if he had.\nThe Russians (like all the allies) had agreed not to make a separate peace with Germany."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nAre you seriously implying France was going to stay out of the conflict?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://youtu.be/PcMcWuK1cAE [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nIf serbia was one of the reasons he went to war, then that was pathetic and sad"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt was the reason. The Austrian ultimatum was designed to be unacceptable, and neither they nor the Germans had seriously attempted setting up a mediation council. The Russian leadership felt that their honor and prestige would be diminished and the balance of power in the Balkans upset if they let Austria steamroll Serbia.\nThey'd started preparatory measures for war before anyone else, and had France and probably the UK as well, so they assumed the war would go well."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>had France and probably the UK as well, so they assumed the war would go well.\nIn an explicitly defensive alliance."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>your Empire military gets exposed as a paper tiger in 1905"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Is it true that the Russians told the Serbs to accept the Ultimatum?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThe Russian Army performed well IIRC"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYes. Shockingly, the Russians weren't all that keen to go to war over the Serbs shooting royalty."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nWhich ended up being redundant (except for the British commitment to Belgium) because the Germans declared war on everything in sight.\nIt being defensive is also irrelevant in terms of the Russian decision for war. Even setting aside élan and \"rah rah\" sentiments, their side had been doing military reforms for years and had numerical superiority on both fronts (while the Germans faced the dilemma of how exposed their eastern border could be while they tried to crush France). If the Russians had doubted that the balance of forces favored them, they wouldn't have reacted as they did. If they (Durnovo aside) knew how badly the war would go, they'd probably have let Austria at least invade Serbia."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nIt was indeed designed with the expectation the Serbs would refuse it. However, it is worth noting the Austrians still left the Serbs the opportunity to make last-minute concessions after cutting diplomatic relations. See the text highlighted in yellow."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nAt losing ships yeah."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nHowever, by that time, Serbian officials were all gung-ho about going to war."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nSorry maybe my knowledge of English is lacking here\nBy army I meant the branch of military that involves infantry and artillery, not the air force or navy\nWhat is this word if not army?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\nTo accept it, barring two articles, while telling them that Russia would protect them."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou used the right word, other guy is just being factious."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nPerformed well at doing retreat then\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mukden"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\nThis is the information being sent back to Belgrade by the Serbian Envoy in Saint Petersburg prior to the drafting of the Serbian response\n\nYou can also see how the blue-highlighted text in the image attached to this post >>14\nshowcases how the Serbian reply was the work of a sophist. It offered Austria nothing besides a future of quibbling with the Serbs over what constituted acceptable evidence with the onus for the whole investigation being on then with the Serbs having no intent to collaborate with Vienna in reference to international law and extrajudicial institutions that didn't exist at the time."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Performed well at doing retreat then\nA withdrawal from contact is literally the hardest operation that an army can do."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nYou're correct. The Russian Navy's performance was legendarily bad, the Russian Army's was decent and exacted a very high price from the Japanese."}, {"id": 24, "content": "If Russia didn't abandon its role as a mediator between Bulgaria in the First Balkan War before going on to let Romania - then an associate of the Triple Alliance - invade Bulgaria without so much as a diplomatic objection permanently ruined their relations with Bulgaria and made Serbia their only reliable ally in the region. They originally intended for the Balkan League to turn from an anti-Turkish to anti-Austrian alliance and feared that by mediating, as they were treaty-bound to do regarding Serbian and Bulgarian claims to Macedonia, would leave them with a one reliable ally and a betrayed former associate - the exact sequence of events that occurred as a result of their actions.\n\nThe fact that Russia organized and pushed the Balkan League forward to conquer Ottoman Europe led to a power vacuum appearing in the region to the horror of conservative Austria and to the joy of expansionist Russia.\n\nIt was the Treaty of Berlin, organized by Bismarck, that led to the first collapse of the League of Three Emperors while the second collapse occurred as a result of Russia blaming Austria for not allowing Russia to turn Bulgaria into a full-fledged vassal of the Russian Empire. Even had the Germans renewed the Reinsurance Treaty, it never would have lasted due to Russian ambitions regarding the Balkans and Ottoman territory.\n\nRussia bears a whole lot of responsibility for creating the conditions for the First World War to emerge over a Balkan Crisis."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">the Russians are going to start a war!\n>better send 7 of our 8 field armies to invade France"}, {"id": 26, "content": "The fact that they hoped to partition the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Germany's sole reliable ally, would have also made any Russo-German understanding impossible in the long-run. I doubt Germany would respond well to Russia's eternal lust to Constantinople given the rise of German financial interests in the area. Italy's war with the Turks, who weren't anywhere near as expansionist as Russia in terms of their war aims, damaged their own relations with Germany."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAnd here's the second set of pages following said passages, there in reference to Russia's aims regarding the Ottomans prior to the Turks having signed an alliance with the Central Powers."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nFrance saw a Balkan Crisis as the perfect opportunity to activate the Franco-Russian Alliance as can be seen through the attached page from the following post:\n>>4"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nDid you bother to watch the lecture I posted or read Neiburg's book or are you only interested in sources that support the views you already have?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermany was also literally the strongest military on earth, which makes it even more retarded.\n\nIt was like in a video game where you challenge an enemy you know is much, much stronger, just to see what happens. Except irl you can't just savestate the millions dead in vain back to life."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>12\nThey didn't seem to care when a coup occurred in Belgrade which led to the brutal murder of a pro-Austrian royal family and the rise of a pro-Russian royal family - a family the Russians financially backed - in its place.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Coup_(Serbia)\n\nRussia was a hypocritical state, through and through. They had no qualms about funding Kurdish bands who frequently terrorized Eastern Christians who the Russians were supposedly duty-bound to protect as a result of the fact that the Kurds were also causing trouble for the Ottoman authorities at the time."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nI'm not going to watch the lecture. I will read Dance of the Furies when I get a chance, though, to get a full gist of his argument and sources.."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>22\nWas it.. may i dare to say a gesture of goodwill to let the japanese march on territory you were holding?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\n>Germany's sole reliable ally\nAs damning an indictment of German foreign policy in the era as any other.\n>>25\nWith hindsight, defense against France and offense against Russia would've worked better, but it seemed the only military way out of an impossible strategic dilemma. Other than an miscommunication between Grey, Lichnowsky, and Bethmann-Hollweg, there was no thought of a scenario where France stayed neutral in a Russo-German (and Austria was there too) war."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\nthe Schlieffen plan was good on paper ok! I bet you would have agreed with it if not for hindsight."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\nEvery single major conflict in the last two centuries was orchestrated by one dynasty from Denmark."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nOnce again, France and Russia had a explicitly defensive alliance. If the Germans are able to restrain themselves from sperging out and declaring war on everyone - and await a Russian attack that may or may not have come, it becomes much more difficult for France to mobilize popular support for the war. In the event of a Russian attack French intervention is by no means guaranteed or even probable. The only reason that the socialists in France didn't do everything they could to interfere with French warfighting was because it was clearly a defensive war.\n\n>>35\nThe Kaiser ask von Moltke to mobilize only against Russia; von Moltke told him they couldn't. There's nothing good on paper about not having more than one plan."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Good thing russian next autocrats will not repeat the same parallels more than a Century later, right?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nWhy did Germans sperg out twice in such a short time?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nI think you mean Britain"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n>France and Russia had a explicitly defensive alliance\nThat's not relevant. Even without an alliance, neither would allow Germany to solo the other. Most of the diplomatic maneuvering by Poincare/Paleologue/Sazonov was aimed at securing British intervention, not their own populations' consent.\n>French intervention is by no means guaranteed or even probable\nPoincare clearly didn't doubt it. And if you're Germany, your main bet is never going to be hoping that popular opinion in another country gives you your ideal scenario.\n>was because it was clearly a defensive war.\nAnd yet, the social democrats in Germany did nothing as well, also operating on the assumption that their war was defensive. Not hard to invent enemy attacks across the frontiers or point to their mobilization as a justification for action."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nOkay anon, Germany was good boys and dindu nuffin, I get it"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\nThat it required invading Belgium without any other plan for neutralizing the United Kingdom was a massive flaw from a diplomatic/grand-strategy point of view."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nI didn't say that. Germans were at fault for provoking their own security dilemma in the prewar years, giving Austria a blank cheque and pushing them to take action without even pretending to desire mediation until it was far too late, and converting the ambiguous military posturing into outright war with their declarations of war and invasion of Belgium.\nBut they weren't wrong in thinking that the conflict couldn't be localized to Eastern Europe."}, {"id": 45, "content": "Why has Russia historically always been the way it is?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that the Kievan Rus refused to convert to Islam because they loved pork and beer too much?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes it was one of the biggest reasons Vladimir adopted Greek Orthodoxy as his new state religion but east Slavs were already gravitating towards Orthodoxy long before he became important, it's really unlikely Islam would've won over Christianity if Vlad went halal"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe source is ibn fadlan, go read his book now its genuinely one of the most interesting history book i've read."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">saw people complaining that believes people came to America via the Beiring strait is \"an Americanized view\"\n\nHow? How do americans even profit from this? Does it really make a difference if the injuns they killed came from Russia or from Polynesia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNative Americans commonly deny the Bering Strait migration, both because it conflicts with their creation myths and because their land claims are partially based on their supposed antiquity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI thought the common hypothesis shifted to the natives mostly sailing along the coasts at first?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTo add onto this anon's point, for the Euros:\n\nMany Amerindian peoples hold that their native territory (roughly equivalent to your country's \"provinces\" or whatever you call them) is not in fact where they came from. The Nahuatl peoples believed that they came from Aztlan, a location in SW Mexico (we've actually found this location), and then migrated eastwards. The Anishinaabe, similarly, hold that they moved around quite a bit before settling in Ontario. However, many Amerindian peoples hold that they have always been where they are, as in they believe that they quite literally sprung out of the ground at that location. Due to how US laws regarding Indian Tribes work, if these tribes were to admit that they did not in fact spring out of the ground, they would (theoretically) lose funding and special treatment from the government.\n\nThis leads to them having to take absurd leaps and conclusions that just don't hold up to scrutiny.\n\n>>3\n>sailing\nThere's no evidence that any Amerindian population had the sail, but we know that they used canoes. The precise route through the Americas is disputed, but we know that there were roughly three waves of them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the significance of Jesus having been a carpenter for the majority of his earthly life, in the following 2000 years after the death of Jesus?\nI'm not Christian so maybe I'm missing something but it seems like it could have a pretty strong influence on how carpenters were seen\nI know that in Catholicism you have saints which represent different types of professions but if you were a carpenter isn't Jesus himself your 'saint'?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's meant to contrast him with the opulence, elitism, and selfishness of other religions priesthoods and deities. By giving him a profession that is both humble and exists to serve others, it advertises that Jesus isn't like those lame old-fashioned deities who give their favor only to those rich enough bribe them with gold and sacrifices, and that Jesus is here to love and help you, rather than exist in a transactional relationship like the Pagan deities. Now of course Christianity has been around for 2000 years now which is plenty of time for big opulent priesthoods obsessed with gold and transactional worship to spring up, but pointing out that hypocrisy has been the rallying cry of practically every christian reform movement too.\nTLDR; It's not so much that he was a carpenter specifically, it's that he was of menial hard working profession that provided a service to the community."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe chosen translation from the Greek word “tecton” to mean “carpenter” is a bit of a mistranslation. In fact, “tecton” (in Mark) or “tekton” (in Mathew) is more aptly translated into a word describing a “contractor”; specifically, contracting as a “builder” or “handyman”. Not necessarily having anything to do with wood in most of the jobs he likely took.\n\nHe was basically a “Mr. Fix it”."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">He was basically a “Mr. Fix it”.\n\n\"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up\"\n\nBro was just asking for a job"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nKek"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThat feels like a modern interpretation of the stories, are you sure that was the norm for 2000 years?\n>>3\nThat makes me wonder, have different languages translated it differently? Did the Byzantines see Jesus as a Carpenter? What about the Russian orthodox church?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What was the significance of Jesus having been a carpenter for the majority of his earthly life\nthat there was actually a jew somewhere in history that did manual labor.\nnow, if only it actually happened, that would certainly be something."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIt does make it kind of interesting -- builder of the universe. Makes more sense than carpenter."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus is the Holy Ghost writer. Never a carpenter. Authour of the New Testament."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\nhow come none of you know anything about jesus?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nWhether handyman or carpenter doesn't change the intention of the metaphorical \"ad campaign\", in that he was portrayed as a personal, knowable god who is here to help us instead of a god who exists as a distant hierarchical authority figure not much different in how it lords over you and extracts taxes than your secular rulers. Again, he could have been pretty much any profession as long as it was one done by the common man and involved providing some kind communal good."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>how come none of you know anything about jesus?\nhow come you rush into every thread to defend the zombie mascot of a dying religion?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So I just found out there’s such a thing as charismatic catholicism. What even is that? Is that basically Catholics who charm snakes and try to raise the dead in tents in Appalachia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's basically the catholic church trying to out-pentecostal the pentecostals to keep whatever's left of the church in latin america"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Its just bardism like proto-druidism."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI’m more of a lardism fan myself."}, {"id": 5, "content": "HERETICS POSING AS CATHOLICS."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nShut the fuck up sede faggot. They’re super cringy but they’re still brothers in Christ."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n\n>[...] sede[...] [SIC]\n\n?\n\n\n>They’re super cringy but they’re still brothers in Christ. [SIC]\n\n«CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC RENEWAL» IS A PENTECOSTAL SECTARIAN MOVEMENT OF «PROTESTANTISM»; «PROTESTANTISM» IS HERETICAL."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>SECTARIAN\nprove it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n\n\nIT IS A FACT; ARE YOU A CRETIN? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT «SECTARIAN» MEANS? I DOUBT IT."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYes it means they split off from the Church. But do you have any evidence that the charismatics are trying to do that?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "How does anyone still take you seriously when you spend half your time requesting feet pics of Grace Mckenna on /tv/ lol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I assume they had one, so tell me about its history. When was it established? When did they adopt metal ships? How significant was their navy in the Mediterranean and beyond? Were there any notable naval battles involving them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dunno much about specific navies but I'm a submarine nerd and they had a submarine and that was pretty cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_submarine_Abd%C3%BCl_Hamid\n>The Abdul Hamid was the first submarine to fire a torpedo underwater."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost famous naval battle involving them is the Battle of Lepanto.\nDuring the leadup to World War I, the British were heavily involved with their navy, and they had two under-construction dreadnoughts in Britain seized during the outbreak of war."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nEyy! That’s pretty cool. Thanks, anon."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurgam\nSlightly off topic but there's another submarine built around the same time called the Resurgam by Rev. George Garrett, an Englishman who worked with Thorsten Nordenfeldt and ultimately worked on future submarine designs enough that he was awarded the rank of a Commander in the Imperial Ottoman Navy for training them in submarine usage.\n>Sadly the Resurgam sunk during a trial run when it swamped in a windy sea\n>Thorsten Nordenfeldt was the shipwright owner of the Abdul Hamid\n>picrel George Garrett in his officer's uniform"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pre 16th century\nvery relevant and is the main reason why europeans decided to the new world. their galley fleets were a menace in the mediterannean and they got god tier admirals like barbarossa, dragut and occiali by recruiting pirates to work for them. even after lepanto they continue to be relevant with them replenishing their fleet in just one month.\n>post 16th century\nslow decline to irrelevance."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNot really, in the 16th century they took Rhodes and Cyprus and in the 17th they took Crete"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I once was riding a train with a Punjabi man in Chicago and he told me that Hindus and Muslims got along with each other before the British Empire. When I relayed this story to an Indian woman, she scoffed and said the Indian man I spoke to previously was \"a good liar.\" When I continued to speak to this Indian man on the train, I asked him if anything positive had come from British rule in India. He said, despite all the negative things, British rule in India taught Punjabis to have a good head for business. What does 4Chan believe?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "lmao what fucking mmorpg world do you live in where you just strike up conversations with random adventurers and they tell you of their travels"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDo you not talk to people?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nMany Americans actually start convos with people out of nowhere or with not reasonable prompt. Even among the more sociable or outgoing groups in the world find it weird."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs usual things are never entirely good or entirely bad when it comes to things like this. From one perspective the overall bad may outweigh the good or vice versa, at least as far as the colonial India goes I personally think things were much more balanced than say the Belgians infamously in the Congo where any semblance of colonial rule there existed solely for the extraction of resources, or even in other British colonies like Rhodesia. The British brought infrastructure, order, and education, but a fair bit of extraction as well. Never forget that Nehru and Gandhi both were given the privilege of attending British universities on British soil, but where were the Tanzanians attending the University of Heidelberg in Germany? Still though compared to their white colonies there can be no comparison, Britain should be infinitely grateful that the native population was so low in the New World and Australia comparatively, because despite the amount of white settlers in India or the Cape Colony or even Rhodesia they were never going to outbreed the natives there, so they would never had had an easy time of it like in Canada despite the French"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIt's very common for people to have conversations with strangers while travelling if you aren't a complete autist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are their contributions to the world, in history/philosophy/engineering/etc?\n\nNot a med looking to start another anti-nordic pissing match thread, I'm genuinely curious. If they're just more inclined toward living simply and not wanting to make a mark on the world, I don't consider that inherently bad."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKierkegaard and molotov cocktails"}, {"id": 3, "content": "THE ONLY GOOD THINGS TO EVER COME OUT FROM SCANDINAVIA ARE: (I) «ABBA», (II) «ACE OF BASE», (III) «NOKIA»."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBenis :-D"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nhey cumguzzler why don't you kill yourself you mexican faggot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nAlso Hans Christian Andersen, and the sagas of the Icelanders immediately come to mind."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiels Bohr obviously"}, {"id": 8, "content": "We made major advancements in smithing technology. Nobel prizes. Plus we founded england"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>we\nOkay, tell me your personal involvement in implementing Danelaw."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThought it's usually not remembered for it nowadays, Denmark (and Holland too btw) were destinations for \"heretical scholars\" during the dark ages and early years of the Enlightenment when France and Germany were filled with catholic extremists."}, {"id": 11, "content": "AIV fodder"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nJew"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Mexico saw mild combat in the Philippines during WW2 against the Japanese. They lost 10 dudes. Only time they've ever deployed troops outside their borders.\n\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/201st_Fighter_Squadron"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Chiang Kai-Shek offered to send Taiwanese soldiers to back Diem in South Vietnam but was turned down by the US because they thought it would set China off."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">former colony fighting in another former colony that is the current colony of your former enemy because it is being occupied by someone else who it as their colony."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThat reminds me of Liberia offering to send troops to help out in Afghanistan/Iraq. Apperently they consider themselves \"little America\" and feel obligated to help the U.S. when ever they go to war. The U.S. politely declined. Can you imagine them sending in refomed born again Christian General Butt Naked to counter Islamic terrorists?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHe would've made isis waswas."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHow long have you been waiting to say that?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI like you."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause of Pancho Villa's men raiding Arizona in 1912, Mexico is technically the only foreign nation to have occupied an land of the mainland US states in the last two hundred years."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNot really. Pancho Villa wasn't regular army. That's like saying all of Latin America was conquered because some filibusters laid claim to a patch of dirt for 2 weeks in the 19th century."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt’s considered the only war/ conflict on internal U.S. mainland soil for the 20th century at least\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What other historical figures' lives categorically improved from simply killing people who made their lives hard?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow did his life improve? he had a lot of sex? he could control a lot of people? he could kill whoever he wanted? how are any of these improvements? How is his life better than mine, I feel pleasure from doing nothing, he has to do everything to feel anything. The fact is that if he had not killed anyone, he would have had no enemies; the supreme art of winning is for everyone to respect you because you have done them no wrong but only benefited them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBased and Stoicism pilled."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIt’s Daoism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nTo be passive is to invite violence, you cannot assume someone will respect you because you've done them no wrong. Your scheme works because you live in a safe area, but in his day, savagery was the way to get by. He by no means started out as a great warrior, but was himself a victim of barbarism and simply was better at it than his enemies."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSimilarly based."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminder that his virility is a meme. He only had 8 sons (the eldest of which probably wasn't even his), which is indeed more than the average person, but still pathetic for an Asian king or emperor (for comparison Hongwu had 26 sons and Kangxi had 35 sons)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nYou don’t have to repay violence with violence, you can be dealt violence and move on"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou don't have to, I was just saying that the idea that you will be left alone just because you're not a nuisance is simply false. Many a meandering peasant have been tortured to death simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nTake your meds, that has never happened. At worst you will get stabbed by a homeless guy on crack; but then your probably provoked him. The only violence you can’t escape is what you were born into"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nThis is some legit self-cuck thought mind process"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQing China broke thousants years of Chinese Imperial standard policy on steppeniggers (and their own hegemonic practices) and simply killed the Dzungars.\n\nNot only did this improve their lives, it improved EVERYONE's lives in Central Asia when the last Steppe Empire got destroyed by genocide rather than politics or conquest."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI mean…it makes sense that a dynasty that came to power by being steppe niggers would understand the power of steppe niggers, and want to prevent it from being utilized against them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jesse Washington was an illiterate black teenager lynched for a crime he did not commit. There are people on this very board who defend this and would like to see events like it to happen again."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>did not commit\nProofs?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe raped and horribly murdered a woman, LBJfag. Go to Hell and stop posting this instant."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you have any proof he didn’t commit the crime?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nThat's not how the burden of proof works..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe confessed during the trial."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWith basically no legal defense and a trial lasting about an hour lmao. Even if he was guilty, the burning and mutilation was uncalled for."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>prosecution gives charges\n>gets asked did you do it?\n>says \"That's what I did\"\nWhy do you think the trial was short?\n>Even if he was guilty, the burning and mutilation was uncalled for.\nNeither of the people you quoted said it was."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Even if he was guilty, the burning and mutilation was uncalled for.\nif this was in Africa and he raped a woman and cut her throat his racial cohort wouldn't worry about the niceties of the rule of law, in fact there is a high chance he would also end up tied to a stake, mutilated, and set on fire"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Washington was totally illiterate. His schoolteacher confessed that she had tried in vain to teach him to read and write but he was too low IQ to be able to learn.[3]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven you know he did it. Otherwise you'd have posted the details of the trial.\n>>7\nAgreed. But you posted this because he was black. He'd have gotten the same or far worse amongst his own people in Africa. Sage."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nif this was Nigeria, say, or somewhere in Latin America and you did what he did (beat a respectable farmer's wife to death and rape her) you probably wouldn't make it to jail before a lynch mob ties you to a stake, douses you with petrol, and sets you on fire."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>>11\nWhy are racetrannies like this?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsn't it funny how literally all of these lynching victims dindu nuffin? You'd think if whitey was so racist that he'd lynch any innocent black man he saw, actual black rapists and killers wouldn't stand a chance. But nope, guess they all got away scot free."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nBut I thought we're supposed to be more civilized than black africans? Why should we adheres to subhuman standard of practices? Will you also rape women just because it was the norm in black countries?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHE WAS A GOOD BOY\nHE DINDU NUFFIN\nWE NEED MO MONEY FOR DEM PROGRAMS"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nYes to all. We are more civilised, we will use violent punishments to deter crime and humiliate offenders, and we will rape women."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">read Evola\n>become obsessed with prostate orgasms\n?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Faggot reading Evola\nChecks out."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">arthur percival dindu nuffin\n>the rest of the british officers dindu nuffins\n>a new zealand traitor called patrick heenan is responsible for why the japanese did well\n>all the australian soldiers were cowards who ran away\n>instead of fighting the aussies fled into town and got drunk\n>the officers didn't fail the soldiers\n>the soldiers failed the officers\nIs he right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">instead of fighting the aussies fled into town and got drunk\nbased"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Also:\n>inb4: where's his sources for these claims\nHe can't find them, the author is on record saying he can't verify them kek"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Aussie bad\nI believe it. No, I won't ask for source because I believe in Kangaroo nigger's incompetence"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about this shit. When did it become a thing? What western dharmic inspired pseudo religions are most respectable? Honestly, something about these types disgusts me. It’s like they want to be spiritual without any actual structure or rules."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What will be historys judgement of him?\n\nWill he be regarded as another Napoleon or Alexander the Great?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He'll forever be remembered as the man who killed the most Germans."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Maybe is he would have taken back all german territories that the french occupied after WW1 and then just make Germany stronger but not invading other countries he would have been seen in a better way."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDid he?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLmao, this is even better than the guys who grabbed a mop and pretended to be janitors."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the future I imagine overall he’ll be seen more “neutral” like how gengis khan is seen today as just another figure in history.\nBut at the same time I imagine that opinion of him in the future will skew closer to a slightly more “sympathetic” sentiment than from what it currently is today."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon and Alexander lead their armies. He sat in some gay ass bunker then shot himself. His long term planning ability was Napoleon/Alexander tier tho, which is to say nonexistent"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Created an unsustainable economy maintained by theft of German and foreign wealth through imperial conquest.\n>Created and lost the largest war of human history, got tens of millions killed\n>Genocided people across Europe out of pseudo-scientific nonsense.\n>Movement he created not only died, but became synonymous with \"evil\", and birthed its opposite - a stable internationalist global order.\nHe'll be remembered, by varying degrees, as cruel, tyrannical, a megalomaniac, and a failure."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs the man whose ego and delusions permanently put Europe in the back seat behind the United States and, for half a century, the Soviet Union, never to be globally relevant ever again."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>cruel, tyrannical, a megalomaniac, and a failure\nYou will never be a women. And he will be more of a winner and a man than you'll ever be. So leave 4chan take your reddit tier-based assumptions about the Fuhrer and go back."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nKek"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>reddit tier-based assumptions\nThat's the view of humanity writ large, bar a handle of seething stormfags on the internet. You'd know this if you left your basement.\n>he will be more of a winner and a man than you'll ever be\nShooting myself in a bunker because I'm too scared to face justice after losing a war of genocidal aggression which destroyed my country and people is the epitome of cowardice and about as comprehensive a failure any person in history ever had.\nWorld-historic. A fuckup that will ring in the ears of history forever. It's that bad."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So yeah, the ancient Greeks were totally straight. Nothing gay about them at all. They just depicted one of their most important deities having male lovers. But it was very straight."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s not gay if you’re the inserter, you faggot."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth those boys look like girls so I don’t think it’s gay"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt depends on the era. In the late stages of antiquity homosexuality was ubiquitous with the palestra, theatre and depictions of gods. In the Mycenaean era you probably would have been sacrificed to some god for being such a retarded fag."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>greeks were either \"gay\" civilization or \"straight\" civilization\ngays get the death penalty\n99% of Greeks never touched a man romantically\nGreeks were more gay than Nordics"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThere’s nothing gay about your best bro blowing a load between your thighs and kissing you. Anal is gross thoughever"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey weren't gay OR straight. Stop being anachronistic. Ancient Greek men had natural monogamous marital relations to rear children and perpetuate their family, AND they had sexual relations with other men for pleasure, bonding, friendship, and as an extension of the education/tutelage of younger men. There was no such thing as \"gay or straight\". That's an invention of our own age. Why do you insist on making the culture one or the other? Women were for children, and men were for pleasure."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBy “gay” I mean “They probably allowed most same sex love to happen relatively unmolested” as opposed to Abrahamic societies that burned fags"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>By “gay” I mean “They probably allowed most same sex love to happen relatively unmolested”\nthey didnt though and in every era they punished homos\nit was more like Jwalking, sometimes they cared, sometimes didnt, depeonds on if they like you in particular"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nName 5 examples of homos being punished. You cant because you made it up."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nNothing homo about giving the homies a brojob"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Nobody says ancient Mediterraneans weren’t gay as fuck but it’s also weird to take pride in slave pederasty."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"The Athenian Stranger\" specifically calls out the story of Ganymede as a fake story attributed to Apollo by pederasts pushing their own devices."}, {"id": 14, "content": "You were only allowed to butt fuck prepubescents or slaves. An adult male recieving was seen as unbecoming of a free citizen. Also Plato openly called it unnatural"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>You were only allowed to butt fuck prepubescents\nIt was actually only people over 14, and it was super frowned upon to actually have intercourse with them and in many cases illegal"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They just depicted\nWhere? If you're referring to Ganymede Socrates and Plato both explain the story is an alien invention meant to normalize degeneracy. 99.9% of Greek art did not involve faggotry, so I ask you again, where was this depicted?\n\nWas it real in your head?\n\n>posts modern art\n>pretends it is indicative of classical Greek culture\nlol dumb"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>By “gay” I mean “They probably allowed most same sex love to happen relatively unmolested” as opposed to Abrahamic societies that burned fags\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaphanidosis"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nPlato never called it that. “The Athenian Stranger” did. Plato had many views which contradict each other depending on the dialogue."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\n>In the late stages of antiquity homosexuality was ubiquitous with the palestra, theatre and depictions of gods. In the Mycenaean era you probably would have been sacrificed to some god for being such a retarded fag.\nPederasty was already common during the pre-classical, archaic era of Ancient Greece (see: Theognis, Ibycus, Anacreon, Sappho, etc.) Considering Homer references the Ganymede myth, it’s possible it existed in the Greek Dark Ages too.\n>>9\n>in every era they punished homos\n“Most of the Greek cities don’t censure men’s desire for boys” - Xenophon\n>>13\nNo, anon, he says it was invented by the Cretans.\n>>16\nIt is not an alien invention, Plato attributes it to Crete. Also, Socrates never denigrates the story — in fact he refers to it positively in the Phaedrus when discussing how men feel when they see beautiful boys.\n>99.9% of Greek art did not involve faggotry\nSomething like 5 out of the 7 great lyric poets of the archaic era wrote pederastic poetry. Aeschylus and Sophocles both depicted it on-stage (Aeschylus showing Achilles and Patroclus as sexual lovers). Aristophanes portrays it as being rife in Athenian society (and is made by Plato to praise it in the Symposium). Xenophon and Plato both depict Socrates as being sexually interested in young men, but chaste. The Greeks erected giant statues to homo lover pairs like Harmodius and Aristogeiton in their cities. There are more Greek vases bearing inscriptions calling boys beautiful than girls. There are at least 1,000 surviving artefacts depicting homosexual themes. The Greeks attributed homosexual affairs to Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, Hercules, etc."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm a barbarian and I say hang em all"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nYes, the Cretans ARE the pederasts"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAdult male on male sexual partnerships were shunned and they even had a disparaging word for feminine males who were the \"catchers\". \"Europroktos\" which means \"wide assed\""}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nWhy are /his/tards obsessed with the anal? Do they not realize 80% of modern homosexual men rarely have anal sex? Anal was frowned upon but there are practically zero examples of homosexual love between two adult men of the same class being punished judicially and the frequent mentions of gay affairs in mythology suggests it was a tolerated phenomenon as long as people followed social class and bore children when expected. Same thing in China"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThen why do they refer to themselves as a \"top\" or \"bottom\"? them referring to themselves with those terms would imply penetrative sex taking place. If 80% of gays didn't do anal then they'd use the term \"side\" which means non penetrative gay sex but they don't."}, {"id": 25, "content": "stop trying to defend playing with intestines. Its agaisnt your dignity."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm pretty sure that painting you posted wasn't made by the ancient Greeks, just a hunch."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\n>Pederasty was already common during the pre-classical, archaic era of Ancient Greece\nNo proof of that.\nNevermind that pederasty had nothing to do with homosexual sex. Pederasty was a form of education, a mentorship in which an older tutor teaches a young student. This wasn't exclusive to Greece, it was the common form of education all over the world before the advent of mass public education."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nAnd as we know, teachers and students don't bang each other to this day."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\n>>7\n>>8\n>>12\nHomosexual sex was not normalized in ancient Greece. The whole notion was pushed by homosexual authorts in the 20th century misrepresenting the terms erastes and eromenos as being sexual in nature.\nThe Greeks made a very clear distinction between vulgar Aphrodite and celestial Aphrodite. Men who loved the body of young boys were shunned. What was accepted is men loving the soul of boys, which meant, wanting to instill knowledge upon them, thus achieving immortality by having their wisdom perpetuated even after their death.\n>>24\n>Then why do they refer to themselves as a \"top\" or \"bottom\"?\nThey never did that."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nThere's a huge difference between \"at some time it might have happened\" and \"it was a normalized and common cultural institution literally defined by sex\".\nThis is the equivalent of some person in the 40th century looking back at our present and going \"hmmm it seems school shootings existed back in the 21st century, that can only mean that people at the time thought that getting shot was an integral part of a child's education, how quirky\"."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Gay sex between Greek citizens was illegal. It was possible to start a mentor-like relationship with a child that wasn't yours in an adoption ritual if you were high status. I repeat, gay sex between citizens was illegal. Homosexuals gloss over this fact because Greeks technically could do whatever the wanted to slaves and prostitutes, which to a leftist means \"of course gay sex was widespread\" despite literally being illegal\n\nReminder, in order to become a prostitute you had to relinquish your citizenship, so even if there was a gay greek prostitute, technically he wasn't greek because he was no longer a citizen and considered trash"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThat's simply incorrect. In the court case Against Timarkhos, a free adult man was accused of prostituting himself to a fellow freeman, an illegal offense. As part of the court documents they explicitly state that in order to prosecute Timarkhos, they must prove he accepted payment for his sexual affair, because an affair of love could not be prosecuted. Additionally, the court documents note that a lowborn man engaging as a catamite could not be prosecuted. Homosexual sex (intercrural or mutual masturbation) was not normalized but it was certainly tolerated.\n\nhttp://local.droit.ulg.ac.be/sa/rida/file/2000/macdowell.pdf"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nAlso extra interesting to note is that the punishment for a freeman being a catamite is that he could no longer hold office... certainly not death, however the loss of reputation may put him in a precarious situation.\n\nSo, even a freeman letting men fuck his ass for money was not harshly punished judicially, simply punished with a loss of reputation."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>it was certainly tolerated\nTimarkhos was convicted and striped of rights"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYes, because he was convicted of prostituting himself. Again, if jurors were convinced Timarkhos had homosexual affairs for love, without money, he wouldn't have been convicted of anything at all, because gay love was not a crime in most of ancient Greece.\n\nAnd even being a fag prostitute was punished quite lightly. He was stripped of the right to engage in government office. Not even a lashing was proscribed. He very well could have gone on to live a relatively comfortable life."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>he was convicted of prostituting himself\nHe was convicted of being unfit to represent a man of greece because of his behavior, show me the part where they convicted him exclusively because of \"prostitution\"."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Isn't he technically in heaven?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>So yeah, the ancient Greeks were totally straight. Nothing gay about them at all. They just depicted one of their most important deities having male lovers. But it was very straight.\nThat picture isn't Roman and has no source and none of the Ancient Greek gods were gay. You can't even name one."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\n>>35\n>>33\nMoving the goalpost.\nLet me ask you something anon, is every crime today punished with the death penalty? No, right? Does that mean that your average man thinks that stealing is good?\nWhat you are claiming is that since homosexuality wasn't punished in the harshest way possible, that somehow means that it was socially acceptable. The fallacy in this reasoning is self-evident. There's a wide range of actions today which are socially condemned and yet not punished legally or which have a relatively minor legal punishment, why do you think it had to be different in an ancient society?"}, {"id": 40, "content": "If you want to claim that at some point in time a Greek man had anal sex and his neighbors didn't burn him alive, go ahead.\nBut if you claim that every Greek man was gay, they all had homosexual sex regularly and they thought it was super duper heckin' wholesome then you are simply wrong."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>Aiskhines asserts that Timarkhos, a man now aged forty-five or more, had been a catamite in his youth; and to support his case that Timarkhos had transgressed the law he gives what appears to be a fairly comprehensive account of the laws on the subject.\n\n>This law penalized the passive partner in a homosexual relationship, but it is important to notice that its application was limited in certain respects.\n>(a) The law applied only to those who accepted pay or recompense for homosexual activity, not to those who engaged in it for love. That this is the meaning of the verb, tair is clear from the fact that Aiskhines himself, in accusing Timarkhos, clearly regards payment as one of the facts which he has to prove. Note for example 1.51: \"He who does this with one man, and engages in the activity for pay, seems to me to be liable to this very charge.\"\nJust read the fucking text I linked. Timarkhos is punished only for being a prostitute, and his punishment is only partial disenfranchisement."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nExcept gay love wasn't even ever punished as a misdemeanor such as theft. Additionally, there are hundreds of examples of gay love is mythology and it is always portrayed in a neutral or sympathetic light. But yes, there was a range of opinions on the matter the same way there is a range today. This is to say overall that Ancient Greece was definitely faggy compared to the Judeo-Roman Christian cult era"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>Additionally, there are hundreds of examples of gay love is mythology\nNo there aren't, but you'll go ahead and mention Achilles and Patroclus as a \"homosexual\" relationship."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nBeing disenfranchised is the only punishment there is really in ancient greece, if you are disenfranchised you are removed from greek society and considered and outcast. Outcasting a man from society for homosexual behavior does not mean they accepted homosexual behavior.\n\nYour fleeting grasp of greek law is little more than grasping at straws and I bet soon you will devolve the conversation into semantics because you don't actually have anything else."}, {"id": 45, "content": "The myth of Greek homosexuality comes from Dover assuming out of his ass that erastes-eromenos referred to a homosexual, inherently sexual relationship. All the bullshit claims such as \"Plato thought that it was a weakness of the barbarians that they weren't gay\" stem from the same original mistake. If you go back to the actual sources they are just talking about a mentor and a student. When the ancient Greeks actually talk about homosexual sex they are very negative about it, see Plato's quote about it being unnatural and driven only by lust, which fags just cope about and pretend it doesn't exist."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nAs already stated, three times, the punishment was not for \"homosexual behavior\" in general. It was for homosexual prostitution.\n\nAdditionally, as I stated already, the punishment was partial disenfranchisement. And disenfranchisement does not prevent a man from living a comfortable life in ancient Athens. It was not exile.\n\nHomosexual behavior for love, and not money, was never prosecuted. Why are you such a lying little snake engage in a circular deceitful argument style?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>the punishment was not for \"homosexual behavior\"\nYou have not proven this, you just keep saying it with no evidence\n>the punishment was partial disenfranchisement\nAlso known as outcasting from society"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nRetarded lying snake faggot. Kys"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\npost evidence or fuck off faggot"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nlmao as always the faggots cry and seethe whenever people don't buy their bullshit."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nAlready posted here snake lying faggot\n>>41\n>>32\nWhy do fag haters compulsively lie and misdirect like filthy gremlin freaks?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nThat's not evidence, that's you interpreting something as something else, being outcast from society for homosexual behavior =/= \"they tolerated homosexuals\"\n\nYou're \"evidence\" refutes your proposition as is common with leftist propaganda"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nLying snake freak. Die in fire."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nCope faggot"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nDie liar."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>48\n>>51\n>>53\n>>55\nHere we can see the effect of HRT on mood, quite horrible imo."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\ncope faggot"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>47\n>Also known as outcasting from society\nAtimia is not always outcasting from society, that is the most extreme case. It was often partial. From the documents of the case in question, the outcasting was partial, and Timarchus was able to continue living and drawing income in Athens.\n\nhttps://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0063:id=atimia-cn"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nYou can live in athens and not be a citizen, if you weren't a citizen you were considered trash with no rights, borderline a slave, it was the same thing in the roman empire.\n\nAs was pointed out earlier in the thread, if you wanted to be a homosexual prostitute you had to relinquish all your rights, literally becoming a pocket-pussy slave for fat hairy merchants. I wonder if you were even allowed to own property"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nYou were likely allowed to own property as confiscation isn't mentioned in Timarchus's case. In any case anon is right and Greek men could not be prosecuted for having a male lover."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>You were likely allowed to own property\nHow do non-citizens own property? you're just saying that out of desperation and it's hilarious\n\nFYI, prostitutes were considered \"property\" and owned by pimps, so no, you're a literal sex slave with no rights"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nDesperate? Projection much? I have no horse in this race.\n\nAtimia can be partial. Timarchus was not reduced to non-citizen status, but rather partial citizen, this is clear from the records of oration. His punishment was meted out because he attempted to pursue a political career, as well, and would not have been prosecuted if he did not."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nAgain faggot, how is being outcast from society \"tolerating fags\"? In order to be openly gay you had to reduce yourself to somebody else's property"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nWell, as already stated, Timarchus was only partially outcast, he seemed to retain the right to attend public assembly, but could not speak.\n\nAnd if you could have gay sex with no money involved you could not be prosecuted for it. Though people may level false claims against you, which is likely what happened to Timarchus given the dubiousness of the evidence, and his accuser being a political rival."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nAgain faggot, how is being outcast from society \"tolerating fags\"?\n\n>you could have gay sex with no money involved you could not be prosecuted for it\npost source, you can't faggot because you have none"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThe source is the oration Against Timarchus.\n\n>Now, fellow citizens, if Timarchus here had remained with Misgolas and never gone to another man's house, his conduct would have been more decent--if really any such conduct is \"decent\"--and I should not have ventured to bring any other charge against him than that which the lawgiver describes in plain words, simply that he was a kept man. For the man who practises this thing with one person, and practises it for pay, seems to me to be liable to precisely this charge.\n\nBy the way, Timarchus had his charges dropped 3 years later."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>My source is a source that refutes my position\nThanks for spewing leftist propaganda faggot"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nThe source says he's being prosecuted for accepting pay and could not be prosecuted if he did not accept pay. Are you perhaps ESL?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nYour quote literally says being a fag is indecent"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nMoving the goalposts here, my statement was that you could not be prosecuted for homosexual conduct. Homos were basically viewed as being weird--an equivalent culture woild be 1980s America"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nYou're trying to prove that being a fag is accepted and you post a quote where somebody is calling it obscene\n\nYou're not smart, at all. You're actually a moron"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>You're trying to prove that being a fag is accepted\nNo, I never stated that. The statement was that being a fag, without pay, could not be prosecuted.\n\nSuch conduct might be viewed as \"indecent\" but not subject to criminal penalties"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>moving goalposts"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nThat was the original goalpost I entered the conversation with\nSee\n>>60\n\nAnd maybe take your meds."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nBut you're the same faggot from the beginning of the conversation?\n\nSo you concede that fags were not socially accepted in greece and are now trying to claim it wasn't punishable by law? Despite all \"legal\" homosexuals having to be reduced to non-citizen slave status to be openly gay?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>But you're the same faggot from the beginning of the conversation\nI am not.\n\n>So you concede that fags were not socially accepted in greece\nI never attempted to make such a claim. Based on the evidence of it being variably viewed as \"indecent\" but also being the subject of many favorable writings and myths, it was, as I said, likely viewed of as a weird thing. Like being a lolicon in Japan or something.\n>Despite all \"legal\" homosexuals having to be reduced to non-citizen slave status to be openly gay?\nOnly if they accept payment for their gayness, or bottom for a slave."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nYou're mentally ill, but I guess that's normal for a faggot"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>29\n> Homosexual sex was not normalized in ancient Greece. The whole notion was pushed by homosexual authorts in the 20th century\nLying jew"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nCoping gayreek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How true is the narrative that the Jews or Israelites or whatever wanted a king so they could be like their pagan neighbors? How much do we know about the early kings of their people?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So was the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages REALLY as bad as everyone(Protestants) say?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstill is.\nunless you think pedophilia is ok."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was better then the alternatives."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSHALOM"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConsidering Catholics themselves constantly shit on the Catholic Church I can only imagine how bad it was in the middle ages. I have yet to meet a Catholic who actually agrees with the Catholic Church."}, {"id": 6, "content": "It was as corrupt as protestants say, which is a very qualified level\n\nRead Calvin's tract on relics"}, {"id": 7, "content": "«PROTESTANTS» WILL CONSTITUTE THE CORE OF THE ANTICHRIST'S FANBASE."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\nAlso read Chaucer and Boccaccio. While devout Christians themselves. msot of their tales satirie the very eathly and two faced nature of the clergy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">buying yourself political favor\n>extreme nepotism\n>could grant random dickheads legitimacy\n>buys all your land and turns it into unproductive untaxable monasteries which wield more power than you do\n>only source of education so all the educated people were priests, which takes care of any naysayers\n>game of thrones tier pope fuckery"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nyou didn't have to explicitly let us know you were a jew. you could've just shilled more versions of christcuckianity and we would've known anyway.\nor are you the one christcuck on all of 4chins that has something of substance for us?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "It was even worse. Read up on Sergius III"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristians in the middle ages were far from being faithful to the bible"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>was"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Almost everything people think they know about the churches history is either protestant or enlightenment propaganda"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhat I don't understand is how did Catholics ended up eating up that same protestant/enlightenment propaganda. Was there some knowledge vacuum among Catholics at some point, many of the myths they invented were accepted and affirmed by Catholics, to the point that they even fucking apologized for shit they never did."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>as bad as everyone(Protestants) say?\nYou fucking LARPers are in for a serious shock once you visit Spain or France and see that even they hate the Catholic church these days lol"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nCatholicos means universal the church has essentially committed suicide in an attempt at reconciliation"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nDefine LARPer."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nYou know there was a catholic reformation while there was a protestant reformation"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNo? There was the COUNTER-REFORMATION, which was basically the Catholic Church gathering together and collectively telling Protestantism to go fuck itself, while double, triple and cuadrupling down on all of its dogmas. If anything it was what many Catholics today are begging the Church to do again, the CC doesn't need a reformation, it needs a second counter-reformation in which it denounces the entirety of modernism."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nBut what I don't understand is where did this feeling of need for reconciliation come from? Reconciliation with what? And for what purpose? Jews? Atheists? Muslims? Hindus? Do you think any of those groups want to reconciliate with the church at all? No, they want to bring it down, the Church lowered its head and all these groups, instead of lowering theirs which is what it seems like the Church was hoping for, to lead the way to some sort of unification, are taking this as an opportunity to exploit the Church's moment of weakness to strike and advance their own movements. What is it that made the Catholic Church lose confidence in itself while all other faiths remained steadfast in the superiority of their beliefs?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nCatholic reformation is the preferred term for the counter reformation\nIt was not just a doubling down against protestant criticism\n\nIronically for you Vatican 2 was a kind of second counter reformation"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Catholic reformation is the preferred term for the counter reformation\nFor whom? You? Certainly not for me? And you're the very first person I've ever read using the term \"Catholic reformation\", which causes nothing but confusion as it is causing between me and you right now, everyone else I've met uses the term counter-reformation.\n>It was not just a doubling down against protestant criticism\nYes, not just that, but certainly was its main point.\n>Ironically for you Vatican 2 was a kind of second counter reformation\nNo? It was the opposite of the Counter-Reformation, it was nothing but innovation on centuries-old dogma."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIn the academy\nWhether I'm right about that or not (I might have just absorbed it from a lecture) the fact that you haven't even heard the term before tells me not to trust your appraisal"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>The Counter-Reformation (Latin: Contrareformatio), also called the Catholic Reformation (Latin: Reformatio Catholica) or the Catholic Revival"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>>25\nAgree to drop the term \"Catholic Reformation\" forever and use from now on only the term \"Counter-Reformation\", then we can procede."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nObviously the rest of christendom as it's fracturing has directly lead to the death of Christianity"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nI don't get you. If anything catholic reformation is the preferable angle to view it as a catholic, it's more charitable for me to use that term.\nIt implies that period of the church in Rome wasn't just reactionary"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nBut we are, we very much are reactionaries, reactionism is a virtue for us, what have God's actions been since the Fall of Adam if not reactions TO sin and decay? Sin is not the natural state of the world, thus good is not an innovation from evil, but good predates evil, thus it is reactionary to all forms of evil."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nYour approach is not representative of the catholic church or in step with church history"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine if it was lmao"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nAre you Catholic?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nHe said in another threads he’s conventionalist or some other stupid Protestant off shoot."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nI'm not roman catholic"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt was bad, but not so much as many people want you to believe, the rest of the world was in the same condition, most of the bad stuff of the Catholic Church actually came with the counter-reformation and the obsession of fighting against protestant heresies and modernity."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes they refused to do communion under both kinds. And there is no justification to do this. They were corrupt to the core. Thankfully Luther and the Lutheran reformers cleansed the church of papist dogma"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Imagine believing in a magic ghost"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>10\nbut i'm not jewish\nwhy are you saying that?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>20\n>he CC doesn't need a reformation, it needs a second counter-reformation in which it denounces the entirety of modernism.\nThat was Vatican I, and it resulted in the Pope being isolated in the Vatican, losing all Papal territories to the Italian Kingdom and almost ended the Roman Catholic Church entirely."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, Aristotle and any of the scholastics (Augustine, Thomas, Anselm) can be easily skipped over."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>10\nHello Jew, Jesus hates you."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>5\nBecause it became a protestant church.\nWW2 happened and Vatican is occupied by your kind, and it's not getting any better."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, even this doc debunks the spanish inquisition narratives for example, as being nothing but war time propaganda:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-pS6iLFuc [Embed]\n\n>>2\nYou mean gays then. The whole shebang is nothing but the effects of gay infiltrators, so the vatican already in the 60s forbid gays from entering seminaries, the same was reiterated in the 2000s, so the abuses peaked mid last century and are negligible nowadays. The gay infiltrators that remain are now trying to change doctrine, as we see with the german synod.\n\nAll the other religions, and schools also have the gays preying on children, but still have done nothing about it.\n\n>>6\nDid he forget to read the bible? The power of relics is obvious from scripture."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nSuch as?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnah it was cool"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do some Christians speak in tongues?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndemonic possession via rabbi."}, {"id": 3, "content": "maybe they just feel like lying down on the floor, then spazzing out and make noise"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't. You do."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're pretending to be more spiritual than other people."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally that one Simpsons scene that goes\n\n>Wanna know how I do this. city mayun?\n>uhhh four generations of inbreeding?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrain damage. It affect 10/10 followers of yeshua"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Coming from a Protestant background, the whole “collecting pope blood” thing just seems strange. Same with shit like collecting the toes of saints or whatever it is they do. Did early Christians and/or Jews at the time of Jesus do this shit?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the US as a Roman Catholic, Catholicism in Europe seems rather different from footage I've seen\n\nWay more obsession over saints with people doing crazy shit like kneeling on every step leading into the church, keeping a corpse of a \"saint\" on full display that's \"incorruptible\" but clearly decaying. Or lack of care for the dead such as renting out tombstones and putting bones at random with lack of care into catacombs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "my list:\nSyriac: St. Isaac the Syrian\nSlavic: St. Theophan the Relcuse\nGreek: St. John Chrysostom\nDesert: St. Anthony\nLatin: St. Ambrose of Milan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I haven't seen anybody really talk about this theory probably because it failed if true; But the causative steps needed for this to almost occur definitely suspend belief. So basically in the '70s a Rockefeller almost became president and the road to how he (almost) became president leave room for reasonable doubt:\n>Step I: The twenty-fifth amendment.\nSection 2 of this amendment provides a mechanism for filling a vacancy in the vice presidency. Before this VPs who died were not replaced and the position remained vacant for their term. (E.g. vp William king died a couple months into his term and for the remainder almost 4 years his position was vacant)\n\"Coincidently\" this amendment was ratified in 1967 and not even a DECADE later it was first used. This is crucial because without it nixon and ford couldn't nominate their VPs.\n>Step II: Spiro Agnew Resigns.\nAgnew was the VP to nixon and he resigned due to \"tax evasion\" and other crimes. This was not related to Watergate.\n>Step III: Nixon Nominates Gerald Ford.\nNixon specifically nominates Ford as his new VP with supermajority congressional approval. And against contenders such as John Connally (the former democratic governor who was shot along with Kennedy.) who nixon also considered.\n>Step IV: Richard Nixon Resigns.\nRichard Nixon Resigns due to Watergate and Ford becomes president.\n>Step V: Ford Nominates Nelson Rockefeller.\nRockefeller was the leader of the liberal \"Rockefeller Republicans\" and Gerald ford specifically nominates him as his own VP.\n>Step VI: Failed Assassination attempts on ford.\nThis is where the conspiracy falls apart. Not one, but two assassination attempts against Ford happen within the same month, BOTH, whilst he's visiting California."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo am I schizo, or is there credence to this theory? P.S. the first perpetrator was Lynette \"squeaky\" fromme who was a member of the manson family. And the second perp was Sara Jane moore. A political radical. These assassination attempts failed because the first perp forgot to chamber her gun and the second failed because a bystander interfered with the attack. Both were women btw."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The 1964 election could have been Rockefeller vs George Wallace.\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nCurious…why did both of his attackers happen to be chicks? This is too coincidental to ignore"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">and humanities\n\nWhat separates a “right” from a “privilege”?\nAs in what is considered to be a “human right”?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod given ethics."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat does that mean?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why didnt people ride hogs? boars are absolute tanks with thick skin and hair, tusks, super intelligent, and can eat just about anything. a civilization that bases its warfare around hog riding would be a serious threat on the battlefield if they could coordinate cavalry charges with those pigs"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably because hogs are far to small for the average person to ride, and dont nearly have the same range as a horse does"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis. The real question is why no one realized the hogs intelligence and trained them to act as war hounds.\n>Go to war\n>Get knocked down by an enemy soldier\n>As he's readying his killing blow, your based hog bro comes outta fuckin nowhere and gores the enemy with his based tusks"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncute porker"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nits because of said intelligence that makes them bad for combat roles since they realize attacking big group isn't a good idea, same reason why any disciplined army dealing with elephants will just make room for them to pass through"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey're incredibly difficult to train, and stubborn as well. they say dogs look up to you, cats look down on you, and pigs/hogs look you in the eye as equals."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThe same could be said about ancient horses that is why men riding on horseback was a later development. Men used chariots first because they had to. Most horses were not strong or big enough yet. It took hundreds to thousands of years for many civilizations to get to cavalry on horseback. Maybe the ancient Mediterraneans did experiment with pigs, considering the Romans didn’t immediately have cavalry themselves. However they had implemented tactics to counter war elephants as early as their war against Pyrrhus. That is why they already knew to send flaming tar covered hogs at Punic elephants. Pigs probably aren’t easily tamed. They also taste good and are easy to raise for meat."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>super intelligent\nThis is a detriment for any war mount. This is why using war elephants was a double edged sword."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Maybe the ancient Mediterraneans did experiment with pigs\nThere are accounts of the romans using tarred swine to counter war elephants, they would set the hogs on fire and send them running towards the elephants, the elephants would invariably freak out at the screaming, flaming hog running towards them."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe wants to be bacon"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nthat's horrible. it's a good thing the romans died."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are some leaders that were clearly installed for the purpose of being a puppet that broke free of their handlers and took more substantial authority?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "picrel exiled his puppeteer"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLenin is the perfect example of this because he was shipped to Russia to destabilize it by angry Krauts."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPol Pot, like the rest of the Khmer Rouge, was just supposed to be the Vietnamese Communist Party's patsy in Cambodia. But once he took over Cambodia his Khmer programming kicked in and he turned against the Viet Communist party."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery US President."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Emperor Leo the great"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can someone explain the Anabaptist lineage to me?\nI'm trying to study the roots of the Amish and the Mennonites.\n\nFrom what I can understand, the Swiss Brethren are the \"original\" Anabaptist congregation, but whenever looking at the biographies of Jakob Ammann and Menno Simons, it just says both were \"Anabaptists.\"\n\nWhat exactly IS an Anabaptist?\nI mean this not from a standpoint of theology, I understand that part perfectly well - where did they ORIGINATE from?\nAnd do any Anabaptists exist as a \"stand-alone\" group, or is it more so that Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, and so on are all Anabaptists?\n\nI guess what I'm trying to say is, all Amish/Mennonite/etc. are Anabaptists, but not all Anabaptists are Amish/Mennonite/Etc.?\nOr are Swiss Brethren the \"origin point\" for \"Anabaptism\", and Amish/Mennonites/Hutterites all descend FROM the Swiss Brethren?\n\nWas there such a thing as an \"Anabaptist Church\" as a stand-alone concept, or is Anabaptism more of a view OF Christianity?\nBy looking into the history of Conrad Grebel and Felix Manz, it seems they were inspired by Zwingli, then made the Swiss Brethren, baptism happened, and Anabaptism was born.\n\nBut what happened next?\nWhat were Jakob Ammann and Menno Simons baptized \"into\"?\nWere they baptized into the Swiss Brethren?\nOr was it like, \"you're an Anabaptist now\"?\nIf so, what exactly was the church?\n\nEvery origin tree or \"genealogy\" of the Anabaptists is incredibly confusing.\nYou might really be able to help me clear this up, anons, and if so, I really appreciate it.\nCheers."}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://youtu.be/7yDgCZ_ZR8M [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThank you, fren, this chart makes a lot more sense than the ones I've seen.\nI knew there were two main \"waves\" of anabaptists - based on the German Pietist movement (newer) and the Radical Reformation (older), i.e. the original Swiss Brethren.\n\nIt's odd that they never mention Menno Simons as having been a member of the Swiss Brethren, rather using the broader (and more vague) term of \"Anabaptist.\"\nInterestingly enough, they didn't even call themselves that, since they didn't think of it as a \"re-baptism.\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Not understanding inflation, Hongwu gave out so much paper money as rewards that by 1425, the state was forced to restore copper coins because the paper currency had sunk to only 1/70 of its original value."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like a retard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a peasant retard so makes sense desu"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased paper money is the tool of the greedy bankers and an extremely devious one"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nimagine if in the 16th century, a century after the fall of constantinople, an impoverished orthodox greek monk born in anatolia one day raised enormous greek armies and rebelled against their ottoman rulers. he not only succeeds in retaking constantinople, antioch, trebizond, and all the territories that had been lost since basil ii, but he marches into central asia and kills so many turks it permanently neuters their presence as an ethnicity on the world stage, while re-establishing a greek superpower. he would surely be regarded as a hero equal to constantine. yet that is exactly what zhu yuanzhang accomplished."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDamn, based. And the northern barbarians were never a problem again, right?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nNo way this is real lmao i'll check the man"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWell no, but they just built the wall and that fixed it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nManchus are not Mongols, and it could be argued that the rise of the Manchu was only possible because the breaking of Mongol strength left a power vacuum for the Manchu to fill.\n\n>>8\nPeople like to meme about this because whether walls work or not has become a political thing in modern times, but yes, the wall policy did work. The invaders had to be literally let in by the wall garrison because they couldn't get past the wall otherwise."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nStill northern, still barbarian."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>He was a peasant retard\nyet he founded a dynasty while confucian nerds ruin china while wanking on being able to write. Forget the eunuchs, Zhu should have genocided those parasites called scholar-bureaucrats"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nZhu Yuanzhang hated bureaucrats so much due to his experiences in the Yuan Dynasty that the Ming Dynasty did rely less on Bureaucrats and more on Nobles, who were usually Zhu clan relatives.\n\nIt turned the Ming into a snakepit of corruption, autocracy, and an extremely top-heavy parasitic administration (since nobles gave themselves huge stipends) that it was a fucking miracle that it was so stable even when shit like a dumb emperor getting captured happens.\n\nIts army was even a greater mystery lol. Instead of mass conscription armies (like the Qin or Han) or huge standing armies (like the Song or Tang) it just opted to build a tiny Imperial Army in the capital while the provinces were all protected by locally raised forces (with the Emperor's permission) of mixed quality with generals just given a war chest, told to go to X provionce, and told to build their armies however they wanted. And yet the provincial armies and border troops- a weirdo collection of tiny provincial standing armies, armed civilian adventurers, mercenaries, and pardoned bandits/pirates- did well, even during the declining years of the 1500s. They were even considered better fighters than the main Ming Imperial army in the interior.\n\nThe Ming is fascinating for its combination of centralized government while knowing when to look away and allow for local flexibility."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIm guessing they all get there armors from mass produced workshops kinda lame. I know it's just a hobby but handmade kits have so much more feeling to them. Guy in second column looks stellar."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">coziest part of Europe since the Roman Empire\n>cozy during Roman, Germanic, and Moorish rule\nHow did they do it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou tell us since no one here bothers to read about these shit skins"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there an American president deserving of the title \"the great\"? Who would it be?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJoe Biden. He is genuinely the best president we have had in probably thirty years."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWashington, Jackson or Polk obviously.\n\nNobody else comes close.\n\n>inb4 “muh FDR KING!!!”"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Theodore Roosevelt was the most Chad president in U.S. history"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI've gone from liking jackson to hating him back to liking him, I think that's worthy of a title"}, {"id": 6, "content": "What does /his/ think of Jackson?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nWe can give other titles to other people, Teddy or Polk can have cool names without necessarily being Alexander-tier"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHe was the NazBol Gang meme but for real."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nJackson is overrated, Polk is meme politics, I might be inclined to suggest FDR. Memes aside he solidified America’s place as THE power of the Western world. However I think a better thought experiment is giving every president an early medieval style epithet (the bald, the stammerer, the fat)\n\nTo name a few off the top of my head\n>Barack the Black\n>William the Fat\n>Abraham the Tall\n>Franklin the Lame\n>Joseph the Stammerer\n>John the Lustful"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Ulysses the Drunkard"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Donald the rich"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Donald the Orange\nOr maybe\n>Donald the Quarreler"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFDR. Presided over THE rise of American power"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>>13\nYeah, we heard you the first time"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nmeds"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nBased FDR hating schizo"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nYeah I'd definitely say Polk is deserving of the title just based on how much he did in so little time."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDonald Trump"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\npsycho that had no business in the white house"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\nWashington the First\nAdams the Round\nJefferson the French\nMadison the Short\nMonroe the Doctrine\nAdams the Second\nJackson the Remover\nVan Buren the American\nHarrison the Cold\nTyler the Successor\nPolk the Great\nTaylor the Shitter\nFillmore the Opener\nPierce the Survivor\nBuchanan the Bachelor\nLincoln the Emancipator\nJohnson the Impeached\nUlysses the Expeller\nHayes the Negotiator\nGarfield the Shot\nArthur the Average\nCleveland the Double\nHarrison the Second\nMcKinley the Killed\nRoosevelt the Digger\nTaft the Raft\nWilson the Pointer\nHarding the Handsome\nCoolidge the Napper\nHoover the Builder\nRoosevelt the Roller\nTruman the Dropper\nEisenhower the Commander\nKennedy the Rocketeer\nJohnson the Flasher\nNixon the Diplomat\nFord the Redeemer\nCarter the Pious\nReagan the Actor\nBush the Taxer\nClinton the Liar\nBush the Invader\nObama the Bomber\nTrump the Tweeter\nBiden the Old"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>falling for 190 year old Whig character assassination propaganda\n\n>>20\n10/10 post, I even laughed multiple times."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nI have mixed feelings, but even if he was a genocidal bastard, he was a badass none the less. A real man of the people too."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGeorge Washington."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ask me anything about christian congregationalism"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you believe God tortures bad people in hellfire ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is your super special Christianity different from the million other special denominations?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nEternal conscious torment\n\n>>3\nIt's not super special but congregationalism is the polity which most recognizes that Christ is the true and only head of the church\nDistinctives include reformed theology, paedobaptism, liturgical worship, historic missions emphasis, congregational autonomy, two offices of elder and deacon but debatably three when distinguishing between teaching and ruling elder"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndo you guys rape kids too?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNo, and the issue of corruption found in the catholic and Anglican churches is not possible in congregationalist polity"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Eternal conscious torment\n\nBut that wound contradict the Bible in two areas\n\nFirstly, the soul as mortal as says Ezekiel 18:4 \"the soul that sins, it shall die\" (MKJV), and thus the soul does not continue to live after one dies.\n\nDeath is considered a state of non-existence (Ecclesiastes 9:5: \"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.\")\n\nSecondly, the idea of eternal torment is REPUGNANT to God. (Jeremiah 32:35)\n\nSuch an idea is CONTRARY to the Bible’s teaching that “God is LOVE.” (1 John 4:8)\n\nWhy not reject this false doctrine ?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMake your own thread for that topic please"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Ask me anything about christian congregationalism\n>No you can't ask me about that !\n\nk"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nthat was quick."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Blaming Anglicans\nGet lost!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nFor what"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nI think he means ask him anything about the system of congregational polity"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\ndo their biblical interpretations not have anything to do with that?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nCongregationalism is the tradition named after its polity, like presbyterianism"}, {"id": 16, "content": "if you lived somewhere that had no Congregationalist church nearby but had a Reformed Baptist church and a Presbyterian one, which would you be more likely to attend and why?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nJust a case by case really"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Do you believe in Apostolic succession and the real presence of Christ, body and soul, in the Eucharist?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nI wouldn't answer that without clarification since it's a loaded question"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nApostolic succession - you need to trace the line of people who become Bishops to the early Apostles\n\nReal presence: A mysterious transformation takes place, where the priest envokes the Holy Spirit so that the Eucharist becomes the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThey come from the reformed tradition. That should answer your question."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nCongregationalists have a congregational view of church government and a classically reformed view of succession and of the sacraments\n\nIn the Cambridge platform ordination is performed by the elders in the local church with participation from elders in sister churches. The office of bishop in the catholic sense doesn't exist because it is alien to the new testament\nand early church.\nChrist's presence is \"real\" in the eucharist but transubstantiation is rejected as a medieval innovation and one that as Calvin argued violates Christ's human nature. Contra presbyterians congregationalists have generally incorporated the German reformed \"mystical presence\" view of the 19th century mercersburg movement. Mercersburg was compared to the Oxford movement if you're familiar with that."}, {"id": 23, "content": "How many more weeks until the apocalypse? Two?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nDunno"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWell the governing body of JW says it’s imminent and 1914 represents a generation that will not pass away due to biblical prophecy.\n\nI chose to stand with the intellectual heavyweights at Bethel."}, {"id": 26, "content": "TULIP? true, false or some of both?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nCongregationalists are on both sides but historically reformed"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI mean \"reformed\" can be such a nebulous term. Calvin himself seemed to be unsure on the idea of limited atonement. At times he seems to favor both unlimited and limited atonement. Arminius is a big part of the reformed tradition, after all."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI agree with that, even your point about Arminius as historically a member of the reformed tradition. The primary confessional document is the savoy declaration which is essentially Westminster and affirms tulip"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy didn't you decide to learn about something useful?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>intellectual heavyweights"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy don’t you follow a tradition actually supported by the fathers?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nLet's study that question\nHere's the definitive collection of the fathers produced by a UCC predecessor\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers?wprov=sfla1\n\nYou can read all of it for free on ccel.org thanks to Calvin university\nhttps://ccel.org\n\nAll of this made possible because the protestant reformation made way for the modern study of patristics via the reformers point that various catholic practices were medieval innovations. Going back to the fathers served to settle the issue, which is why Calvin, Luther and others made so much use of them.\nLet me know what you find!"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nChatGPT is faster"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>Let me know what you find!\n\n“What is the best patristic evidence for Congregationalist polity?”\n\n>It is important to note that the Congregationalist polity, as it exists today, is a product of the Reformation and post-Reformation era and is not directly supported by the writings of the early church fathers.\n\n>That being said, proponents of the Congregationalist polity often point to certain patristic writings to support their view of the autonomy of individual congregations. For example, they may point to passages in the New Testament that emphasize the importance of local church communities and the role of the congregation in decision-making (such as Acts 6:1-7 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13).\n\n>Additionally, some proponents of the Congregationalist polity may point to the writings of certain church fathers who emphasized the importance of local communities and the priesthood of all believers. For example, Tertullian, a prominent early church theologian, wrote that \"the rule of faith requires that we should leave nothing doubtful and ambiguous with regard to God,\" and argued that each individual Christian had the responsibility to interpret Scripture for themselves and live according to their own conscience.\n\n>However, it is important to note that these passages and writings are not necessarily endorsing the Congregationalist polity as it exists today, and they must be understood within their historical and theological contexts. The Congregationalist polity is a product of a specific historical and cultural context, and while it draws on certain theological and scriptural ideas, it is not directly supported by the writings of the early church fathers.\n\nOof. A product of 16th century thought? How surprising!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>Let me know what you find!\n\n“What sort of polity is found in the fathers?”\n\n>The polity or structure of the early Christian church as described in the writings of the church fathers was primarily hierarchical in nature. This hierarchy was centered around the bishop, who was seen as the leader of the local church community and held authority over the clergy and laity.\n\n>The bishop was assisted by a council of presbyters (priests) who helped him to govern the community and perform the sacraments. Deacons were also present in the community and helped to administer charity and aid the bishop in various tasks.\n\n>The church fathers also recognized the existence of regional and universal church authorities, such as the metropolitan bishops and the patriarchs, who oversaw multiple local church communities and helped to resolve disputes and maintain unity among them.\n\n>Overall, the early church polity was characterized by a strong emphasis on the unity and authority of the local church community under the leadership of the bishop. While there were also recognized authorities at higher levels, the bishop was seen as the primary authority figure in the local community. This hierarchical polity has evolved over time and is still present in many Christian denominations today, particularly in the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Anglican churches."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>>36\nIt's wrong\nMake a thread about this if you want"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n“Which patristic writings detail metropolitans and patriarchs?”\n\n>The concept of metropolitans and patriarchs, as higher levels of church authority beyond the local bishop, developed gradually over the course of the early Christian church. As such, there is not one single patristic writing that details the entire development of this hierarchy. However, there are several patristic writings that provide evidence for the existence and roles of metropolitans and patriarchs in the early Christian church. Here are a few examples:\n\n>The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, which was attended by many of the church fathers, established the first five patriarchates: Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople. These patriarchates were given authority over their respective regions, and the bishops of each patriarchate were referred to as patriarchs.\n\n>In his Letter to Cyprian, the third-century bishop Firmilian of Caesarea defends the role of metropolitans as intermediaries between the local bishop and the patriarch.\n\n>In his Ecclesiastical History, the fourth-century historian Eusebius of Caesarea describes the establishment of the metropolitan see of Alexandria by the apostle Mark, and the subsequent appointment of a series of bishops to oversee the surrounding region.\n\n>In his Letter to the Romans, Ignatius of Antioch refers to the bishop of Rome as the \"presiding officer\" of the universal church, suggesting a recognition of the importance of the Roman bishop as a central authority figure.\n\n>Overall, these writings provide evidence for the development of a hierarchical polity in the early Christian church, with metropolitans and patriarchs occupying positions of higher authority beyond the local bishop.\n\nWhat’s wrong?"}, {"id": 39, "content": "“More sources please”\n\n>Here are a few more patristic sources that provide evidence for the development of metropolitans and patriarchs in the early Christian church:\n\n>In his Letter to the Corinthians, Clement of Rome, who was bishop of Rome in the late first century, appeals to the authority of the church of Rome and exhorts the Corinthians to submit to the authority of their local bishop. This suggests an early recognition of the importance of the bishop of Rome as a central authority figure within the church.\n\n>In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ignatius of Antioch writes of the importance of unity within the church and the role of the bishop in maintaining that unity. He also speaks of the bishop as a spiritual father to his flock and exhorts the faithful to obey their bishop.\n\n>In his Commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians, Ignatius' contemporary, the theologian and bishop of Lyon, Irenaeus, writes of the importance of apostolic succession and the authority of the bishop as the successor of the apostles. He also speaks of the role of metropolitans in overseeing groups of local churches and preserving the unity of the church.\n\n>In his On the Holy Spirit, Basil of Caesarea, a fourth-century bishop and theologian, writes of the importance of the hierarchical structure of the church and the role of the bishop as a mediator between God and the faithful. He also speaks of the role of metropolitans in overseeing groups of local churches and providing support to local bishops.\n\n>These writings, along with others, provide evidence for the development of the hierarchical structure of the early Christian church, with bishops, metropolitans, and patriarchs occupying positions of authority and responsibility beyond the local church community."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nOk I’m done. Would be interested in any counter-arguments you’d be able to bring forth to support your view as opposed to just linking to a vast library and saying “g’awn, read” as if to imply that the evidence is on your side."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nBroad strokes\n>New testament polity is prescriptive\n>New testament polity is that of a plurality of elders (a presbytery) + deacons in each congregation\n>Presbyters and episkopos (bishops) are interchangeable terms referring to the same office\n>Early church polity is a mixed bag, often ad hoc especially before the edict of Milan\n>The rise of a historic episcopate ruling over various congregations is a development (as stated in your ChatGPT replies\n\nFor a very direct explanation of our polity I recommend reading the relevant sections of the Cambridge platform and for point 1 google an article in 9marks called \"why new testament polity is prescriptive\"\n\nI made the thread to answer questions about my tradition not for you to trot out your talking points"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are so many so gay?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>why new testament polity is prescriptive\n\n“Is it true that in the Bible, ‘there is no hint of the transmission of the peculiar apostolic functions’?”\n\n>It is not entirely accurate to say that there is no hint of the transmission of the apostolic functions in the Bible. In fact, the New Testament provides several indications of the transmission of the apostolic functions to others after the death of the original apostles.\n\n>For example, in Acts 1:20-26, the disciples cast lots to choose a replacement for Judas Iscariot, who had betrayed Jesus and died. Matthias was chosen to take his place, and the text implies that he was given the same apostolic authority as the other disciples.\n\n>Additionally, in 1 Timothy 4:14 and 2 Timothy 1:6, the apostle Paul speaks of the laying on of hands as a means of conferring spiritual gifts and authority on others. In Acts 13:3, the church at Antioch laid hands on Paul and Barnabas and sent them out as missionaries, suggesting that the apostolic authority and functions were being transmitted to them.\n\n>Moreover, the letters of the New Testament are addressed to various churches and individuals, indicating that there were leaders and authorities in these communities who were responsible for their governance and spiritual oversight.\n\n>Therefore, while the New Testament does not provide a detailed blueprint for the transmission of apostolic authority, it does suggest that the apostolic functions were passed on to others after the original apostles, and that there were leaders and authorities within the early Christian communities who carried on the work of the apostles.\n\nNoticing dishonest stuff already."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n\"Can males be women?\""}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is christian congregationalism?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nYou've also fundamentally misconstrued the point of that quote in taking it out of context. Are you a pentecostal who believes the office of apostle is still in effect? Is there a reason you picked out that phrase, other than to coax a desired response?\n\n>>45\nA reformed tradition stemming from the English nonconformist movement, notably the tradition of the 17th century new England pilgrims"}, {"id": 47, "content": "Is it better to be in a liberal Presbyterian church or a hyper Calvinist Baptist church? Those are my only options in terms of Reformed churches in my area."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nI don't think there's a tidy answer to that one. If the presby church is at all sizeable I can almost guarantee there are moderates and conservatives in it. There's a deliberate organization of conservatives in the PCUSA called the fellowship community which seeks to hold the line.\nHyper Calvinist anything is nice when they're very well studied and uncomfortable when domineering.\nMy personality, I might lean to the liberal one generally. The other question is which can you most effectively serve."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>You've also fundamentally misconstrued the point of that quote in taking it out of context\nThe point is that he needs “the unrepeatable, non-transferable nature of the apostolic office” for his entire argument to work, and is too forceful in claiming it’s the case. More:\n>In sum, Leeman argues that in Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus grants to each local church the ambassadorial authority to representatively declare who does and does not belong to the kingdom of heaven.\nIs this really what is believed? Pretty ridiculous.\n>If in the New Testament multiple congregations sometimes constituted one church, then this would call into question my earlier argument that the local congregation held final authority over matters of membership and discipline. If one church consists of multiple congregations, then who has authority over whom? Yet I’ve argued that the New Testament doesn’t support this assertion, and in fact the evidence from Jerusalem, Antioch, and Corinth indicates that groups called “churches” regularly assembled as unified wholes.\nIs he really saying that each of these cities had just one fundamental congregation (the church in Jerusalem, the church in Antioch, etc.) and that each one is the ancient equivalent to modern Congregationalist congregations? Lol. Which church does your parish correspond to, the church in Jerusalem or the church in Corinth? :v"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat are you gonna do when every church on the planet accepts homos by 2050?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nPeach Romans 1 without any ecclesiastical risk, since again the congregation is autonomous"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat does congregationalism mean?\nalso, thats a pretty church"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\n>stemming from the English nonconformist movement, notably the tradition of the 17th century new England pilgrims\nOh okay, so an extremely specific, boarder-line autistic doctrine that will never be widely used or make any change in the world ever. Its adherents will slowly die off with the rest of the western civilization and that will be the end of it. God it, thanks."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nIt’s already completely dead in New England, beautiful (somewhat creepy) well-maintained churches that are museums."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo all congregationalists suck off Martin Luther as much as you do or is that a personal preference?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nThe pastors respond to your citing of Romans 1 by pointing out that the passage, in its broad context, is referring to people who are murderous, envious, given over to all sorts of heinous unnatural acts; while the homosexuals of their congregation are decent men and women, pious doves.\n\nThey then ask you to leave the Church and stop harassing their homosexual congregants. What do you do now?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nI'm the elder preaching in this context so your scenario doesn't arise"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nLol"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nDo you own the church? Are there proceedings to evict you? Your gay congregations perform those. If not, your church empties. What now?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nSure there's proceedings for members to remove a minister, but the minister and members are more likely to be on the same page than a presbytery or diocese and minister as in other polity.\nIf removed from office for preaching the truth I rejoice in my trial and shake the dust of my sandals to move on. The church is more likely to empty after such an event as it happens, theological conservatism is related to church growth."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nYeah and the Southern Baptists were growing too. Until they crashed. Very soon you will be the last homophobe alive in America"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>crashed\nThe sbc is a model denomination in this respect because they have not suffered a crash. They grew enormously as a result of the conservative resurgence and have only just begun to moderately decline, even though NAMB church planting is strong.\nThe big change in the sbc has been the shift to megachurches as a major share of membership even while the average sbc church is like 20.\n\nNot that denominational growth is even a relevant factor in doctrine. Once the whole world was Arian and against Athanasius."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nThe SBC endorses a corrupt Bible and has for some time now. I can tell because they haven't even double checked it or noticed the serious errors in it. That's enough for me to know they aren't serious. And I could only wish they were.\n\n>Once the whole world was Arian and against Athanasius.\nThe world has always been majority wicked, this is a central point of the New Testament. That's the broad way to destruction. There has always been few that have not bowed the knee to Baal next to the majority. These are those whom God has kept separate and sanctified. See 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (KJV)."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>you will be the last homophobe alive in America\nArgumentum ad populum"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>4\n>Liturgical worship\nHow's the general format of your liturgy"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nThe KJV is a terrible translation. Theres over thousand errors in it alone:\nhttps://superiorword.org/errors-in-the-king-james-version/\n\nIts source, the Textus Receptus, majority of its manuscripts comes from the 1200s. Thats 1100 years of a game of telephone. Meanwhile, modern day bibles use manuscripts from the 400s, making them much more closer to what the original manuscripts said."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nCan you explain in your own words what you think is wrong with this translation? I get that there's a lot of people who hate it out there, don't get me wrong, but please explain in direct terms what the supposed errors are. Rather than linking to extremely long and verbose articles.\n\n>Its source, the Textus Receptus, majority of its manuscripts comes from the 1200s.\nTheodore Beza in the late 1500s worked with manuscripts like Codex Bezae and Codex Claromontanus, which are from the early 1st millennium AD.\n>Meanwhile, modern day bibles use manuscripts from the 400s, making them much more closer to what the original manuscripts said.\nBeing old doesn't guarantee accuracy. There's a reason why the vast majority of biblical manuscripts follow the same pattern, and there's just a few anomalies. Also, the two main codices you are referring to, Vaticanus (B) and Sinaiticus (Aleph) differ vastly from one another. People basically just piece together some new version for themselves that they like based on some combination of these and others mixed in where they want. That's why translations like the NIV and NLT, and even the ESV, include strange variations that are only found in one or two manuscripts and contradict the other 99% of evidence covering certain passages. The bottom line is that while these groups claim to be following the evidence, it's really just their presuppositions that they're following.\n\nAlso, it's important to point out that other evidence exists as to the content of the New Testament that goes back to the 3rd century (200s AD) and even earlier, but it isn't in manuscript form. It comes in the form of direct quotations of Scripture from other writers, some of which is in Greek and other times in other languages. This helps to verify what we know from the manuscript evidence as well."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>4\n>paedobaptism"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>22\n>The office of bishop in the catholic sense doesn't exist because it is alien to the new testament\n>and early church.\n\nMatthew 18:17-18 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.\n\nActs 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms: Let their habitation become desolate, and let there be none to dwell therein. And his bishopric let another take.\n\nActs 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you believe in a magic sky jew?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>Can you explain in your own words what you think is wrong with this translation?\nThe link i provided highlights every specific verse wrong with the KJV. Its not an \"extremely long and verbose articles.\"\n\n>Theodore Beza in the late 1500s worked with manuscripts like Codex Bezae\n\n>Critics of the Textus Receptus are fond of pointing out that Erasmus used only a small handful of 12th century manuscripts when he created his first Textus Receptus but as we have seen this is not true. Further to this the Textus Receptus was refined by Stephanus in 1550 and refined even further by Theodore Beza in 1598.\n>Among the manuscripts Theodore Beza used in his translation work he had the Codex Bezae\n>Despite his diligent work he could only find a relatively small number of refinements and many of these were so minor they make no difference to the text in an English translation.\nAs you see 99% of the TR is based on 1200s manuscripts.\n\n>It has commonly been held that the manuscript originated in Southern France around the beginning of the sixth century.\nThe Codex Beza is from the 500s.\n\n>Vaticanus, Sinaiticus\nDated from the 300s\n\n200 Year game of telephone vs 1100 Year game of telephone.\n\n>People basically just piece together some new version for themselves that they like based on some combination of these and others mixed in where they want.\nHow is this any different from the TR? Beza pieced together manuscripts from 500s with manuscripts from the 1200s."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>65\nhttps://lifecallingarticles.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/worshipsourcebook.pdf\n\n>>69\namen"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>22\n>The office of bishop in the catholic sense doesn't exist because it is alien to the new testament\n>and early church.\n\nHebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.\n\n1 Corinthians 16:16 That you also be subject to such, and to every one that worketh with us, and laboureth.\n\n1 Thessalonians 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them who labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you:\n\nHebrews 13:7 Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation,\n\nHebrews 13:24 Salute all your prelates, and all the saints. The brethren from Italy salute you."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\namen amen"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\n>How is this any different from the TR? Beza pieced together manuscripts from 500s with manuscripts from the 1200s.\nThe Textus Receptus is based on thousands of manuscripts and the agreement between them. Aleph and B are just two manuscripts that often disagree with each other. Oftentimes, translators of various new translations will resort to other manuscripts when these two fail.\n\nFor instance, most translations still include Mark 16:9-20, even despite the fact that these two codices are virtually the only ones that agree in excluding it.\n\nIn general, the TR represents a continuous line of manuscripts that was used in every age and it still has thousands of examples surviving today. The same can't be said for any other type, and constructs like the Nestle-Aland text or the Westcott and Hort text on which it was established are artificial; they differ greatly for their sources in places where Aleph and B happen to fail, because those are only two manuscripts. These editions of the Greek NT don't really represent any ancient text in their entirety. But the TR does represent a continuous and well-attested manuscript tradition with thousands of examples, providing good coverage of every passage in the New Testament, including Revelation (unlike the early editions of Erasmus).\n\nThe reason why Beza didn't change much is simply because there wasn't that much variation between the newer one and the older ones. That is supposed to be a good thing. If you make a compilation based on thousands of copies written in later history, then find early examples that reflect the same text, so that an editor does not need to alter it substantially, this is a good thing. It is not a bad thing. It means that the same text that was used later is the same as that which was used earlier.\n\n>200 Year game of telephone\nI don't get your point. Explain (in your own words) what this means?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>The Textus Receptus is based on thousands of manuscripts and the agreement between them. Aleph and B are just two manuscripts that often disagree with each other. Oftentimes, translators of various new translations will resort to other manuscripts when these two fail.\nread\nhttps://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/\n\n>represents a continuous line of manuscripts that was used in every age and it still has thousands of examples surviving today.\nsugarcoating it being 1200s manuscripts.\n\n>That is supposed to be a good thing.\nit shows that the TR is based on 1200s manuscripts and makes me question the authenticity of the Beza.\n\n>I don't get your point. Explain (in your own words) what this means?\nim not trying to be insulting, but is English your first language? If you dont know what a \"Game of Telephone\" is then look it up."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs Congregationalism like the Puritans?\n\nYou realize Catholicism is the OG one right?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>If you dont know what a \"Game of Telephone\" is then look it up.\nThat has nothing to do with written manuscripts, anon. That has to do with oral traditions, which is not what is being talked about.\n\n>sugarcoating it being 1200s manuscripts.\nI already told you that the people who compiled the TR used older manuscripts as well. Is the fact that later writings agreed with the older manuscripts supposed to be a bad thing? How is it a bad thing that older manuscripts agreed with these? I suppose you are just trying to draw out the argument for no reason now, so this is the last response you're getting right now."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nyour opinion"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n>That has to do with oral traditions\nAre you retarded? A Game of Telephone does not have to be exclusively oral. Now im beginning to doubt English is your first language.\n\n>I already told you that the people who compiled the TR used older manuscripts as well.\n\n>Despite his diligent work he could only find a relatively small number of refinements and many of these were so minor they make no difference to the text in an English translation.\nThe TR is based on 1200s manuscripts. You think its a good thing that Beza couldnt find any differences. I think its bad and makes me question the authenticity of the Codex Bezae.\n\nThe original bible manuscripts will always be different from the ones we have based on the Game of Telephone.\nAgain, read\nhttps://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nAlso, while I'm at it, the other writings mentioned at the end of this post >>67 also confirm that the received readings are ancient.\n\nThe fact that Greek manuscripts such as Codex Bezae (c. 500) which covers the Gospels and Acts, and Codex Claromontanus (c. 550) which covers the Pauline epistles, were used by the TR editors seems to be ignored here. The TR is based on many ancient manuscripts, not just a few divergent ones, which are copies going back to the original copies. A few corrupted manuscripts that were not used for over 1000 years are not relevant to the discussion as far as the inspired word of God is concerned. Also, the people who oppose the Bible generally seem to be the ones arguing for a fake corrupted text instead, which is too bad, as it's a waste of everyone's time being argued by a nonbeliever and a non-Christian to advance a deliberately corrupted text.\n\n>>80\nStop wasting my time, anon."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>a fake corrupted text instead\nOh yes, I shouldn't say this as if it was one text, but rather an endless mixture of all sorts of different disagreeing versions. The Nestle-Aland version even contains words that are not found in a single manuscript, such as at Acts 16:12 and more recently they added one in 2 Peter 3:10. The multiple-version-only crowd takes a position that doesn't even make logical sense."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\n>The fact that Greek manuscripts such as Codex Bezae (c. 500) which covers the Gospels and Acts, and Codex Claromontanus (c. 550) which covers the Pauline epistles, were used by the TR editors seems to be ignored here.\n\n>Despite his diligent work he could only find a relatively small number of refinements and many of these were so minor they make no difference to the text in an English translation.\nAgain, 1200s manuscripts.\n>is based on many ancient manuscripts\ndoesnt really matter if its a 99% match with manuscripts from the 1200s.\n\n>A few corrupted manuscripts that were not used for over 1000 years are not relevant to the discussion\nread\nhttps://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/\n\n>Stop wasting my time, anon.\n>>78\n>\"this is the last response you're getting right now.\"\nNot surprised Christcuck is a liar."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\n>Not surprised Christcuck is a liar.\nMaybe if you read more carefully you will realize that's not a lie, Satan. Also why do you care?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it normal for a sovereignty to be petrified of the ghost of an enemy who was killed 100 years prior? Are there any other examples of comparable hysteria throughout history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler died 77 years ago not 100"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI look like this and I am this angry"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI look like this but say more than this."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n\nHoly shit a wojak!!!! Wojaks are so fucking cool!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Buddhism is...le nihilistic!\nExplain this meme. Is it another edgy Neetzshit take?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the original neopagan's only legacy is servicing the jews over and over\nWhat did they mean by this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was to own the christchuds, mkay."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nneopagans have a long tradition of being shabbos golems and forwarding the jews' plans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis lol, and the jews didn't even want what he was giving them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Weimer era really that bad? Many say it's a reason why the NatSocs rose to power."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was 15 years of chaos, daily shoot outs in the street, communist revolution attempts, economic privation on par with Africa, and jews were behind it all. France effectively made Germany the first jewish state in 1919, a precursor of the modern USA, but without economic prosperity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNow may I ask where you got this information?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHis ass."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAnd that's a good thing!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI'm honestly already guessing that this dude got his information from Europa: The Last Battle."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nListen, just because every major political part had a paramilitary wing doesn't mean that there was widespread violence."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery unstable throughout its whole history. Its economy stabilized in the late 20’s but by then political tensions had begun to boil over between hardline communists and militaristic fascists.\n\nWhat’s often forgotten is that the radicals on the left and right both rejected the Versailles treaty and the prevailing attitude was demanding revenge for the humiliating peace treaty of 1918. “After the Nazi’s, it’s our turn at power” was the prevailing belief among German communists."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHmmm interesting, where can I read up on this?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you jews really so contrarian you're asking if a war-torn country was brutal to live in?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nActually you're the contrarian. We make the narrative, goy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>economic privation on par with Africa\nWhat does this mean?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYeah you're definitely an npc brainlet. Like I said, it was WAR-TORN COUNTRY. Would you want to live in 1918 Russia or the 30 years' war? How are you even alive if you're dumb enough to ask these retarded questions?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBetter than Russia under the Tsar, chud."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nI'm no rabbi you nigger. Best bets that you're circumcised. Now go consume more psyop slop manifested by yours truly."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nRetard dodges the point\n>was living in a war-torn country bad?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Weimar was shit then got a little better but by that point the few who wanted to keep the republic alive were severely outnumbered by the many who didn't so it was doomed regardless"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\n>>13\nWhy was Germany still a war torn country ~15 years after the end of the war?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nYou're either jewish or retarded\nWar destroys countries it's so simple a 5 year old could tell you this\nInstead you have to pretend it was different in this case, probably to avoid admitting Hitler brought Germany back from ruin"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>we own you goy\nIt's tiresome."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nBecause France purposefully crippled their economy after they lost a fifth of their male population"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nSo \"war-torn\" just means your economy is crippled?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nHitler only destroyed Europe. He dismantled Europe and it's people in order to fit his own broken retarded ideology that failed so miserably in the end. He is an anti-trad meth head with no real inspirations to build an actual better Germany.\n\n>>20\nIt's all so tiresome that you fall for the lies of glowies."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nBegone kike"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI pity you're retardation.\n\nYou almost sound like that SJW that calls everyone who disagrees with them \"Nazis\""}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nNah you actually are jewish"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nOne is real and one was defeated by global jewry in 1945"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nI'm sorry stormfag, did I piss you off?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI more blame your parents and community for raising a retard. You are just one of millions of npcs, why bother?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\n>Begone kike\nHitler killed more Germans than Jews...\nGermany and the rest of Europe never recovered from the war he started and lost.\n>>19\n>Instead you have to pretend it was different in this case, probably to avoid admitting Hitler brought Germany back from ruin\nWhat are you talking about? WW1 ended. He borrowed a huge amount of money and spent it on the Siegfried Line and other military projects before once again plunging Germany into another unwinnable world war that irreversibly destroyed Germany. He brought Germany back into ruin.\nHe could have killed and evicted all German Jews without starting WW2.\nHell, he could have stopped all expansion after invading Poland and just focused on improving a new enlarged Germany.\nBut no. He had to fuck everything up. He was a great public speaker and party organizer.\nHe was a terrible economist and military leader.\nHe was Terrible at inter-country politics and diplomacy."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>he started\nI said begone kike."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThen how did you become a playable character? Through /pol/ collogues and shitty NatSoc propaganda/documentaries? Or maybe a few poorly sourced books and websites?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>I more blame your parents and community for raising a retard. You are just one of millions of npcs, why bother?\nMost Germans didn't want WW2 anon.\nEveryone liked Hitler prior to WW2 (Including Churchill) , everyone understandably hated Hitler when he started WW2.\n>>31\n>I said begone kike.\nWho invaded Poland? Germany. Open a history book mentally ill anon."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>>29\nYou are both idiots for referencing video game terminology when debating history."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nWhat does Poland have to do with anything faggot"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\n>>33\nThe Weimer Republic were the symptoms, Nazi Germany was the disease, and World War II was the death."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThe nazis succeeded weimar Germany. Tsk, tsk, jidf"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nIf that were the case, Nazi Germany wouldn't have destroyed itself and the rest of Europe."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>8\n>What’s often forgotten is that the radicals on the left and right both rejected the Versailles treaty and the prevailing attitude was demanding revenge for the humiliating peace treaty of 1918. “After the Nazi’s, it’s our turn at power” was the prevailing belief among German communists.\nTrue, everybody talks about it as if it was Just the National Socialists who had this attitude.\n>>35\n>What does Poland have to do with anything faggot\nSo you don't even know that Poland was the first country invaded by Hitler?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\nI started by not asking if a war-torn country with rampant hyperinflation was a bad place to live in."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\nJews this, Jews that, maybe the Germshits shouldn’t have been so retarded that they didn’t seem to grasp economic inflation or how to kee a stable government."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>Poland was the first country invaded by Hitler?\nFalse. And the answer is nothing. The British could have simply ignored it. They chose world war and now pakis rape their kids."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\n>If that were the case, Nazi Germany wouldn't have destroyed itself and the rest of Europe.\nNo, instead Germany would have become communist, teamed up with the USSR and Europe would have still ended up as a shithole.\n>>41\nJews were a massive problem and still are but Hitler simply wasn't the man for the Job. He fucked up.\n>>42\n>False. And the answer is nothing.\nTrue, you have no brain.\n>The British could have simply ignored it.\nThey did, So did France even though they were allied to Poland at the time. Nobody wanted WW1 again. Polish people to this day are still angry that they weren't immediately assisted.\nGermany invaded four other countries before that met any unified resistance.\n>They chose world war and now pakis rape their kids.\nNobody wanted war but Hitler anon. You are actually mentally ill."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\n>Most Germans didn't want WW2 anon\nThe French didn't even bother fighting so obviously they wanted no part of this kike depopulation war either. And Hitler never wanted war with the UK"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>Jews were a massive problem and still are but Hitler simply wasn't the man for the Job. He fucked up.\n\nI would like more information on this."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\n>True, you have no brain.\nNice argument\n>They did\nThey declared war over it. They chose to start WW2 over a regional conflict. They are responsible for the escalation, and the US deserves blame for arming communists that would take over Europe. They rejected peace.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_October_1939_Reichstag_speech\nAnd now pakis rape their children while jews ethnically cleanse whites from cities built by their ancestors and flood their country with spics. Those countries are going to die pathetic deaths."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>21\n>attack another country\n>lose\n>you must now pay reparations\n>WAAHHH why are you crippling my economy"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nMutts armed communists. You aren't going to change my mind, shill. My country hasn't had a single leader looking out for the minds, bodies, and souls of its people in my lifetime."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>The French didn't even bother fighting\nYep, you're historically illiterate big time.\n>so obviously they wanted no part of this kike depopulation war either\nNobody was even talking about \"kike depopulation\" at the time. You are inserting your memes into the world 83 years ago.\n> And Hitler never wanted war with the UK\nWhich is why he knowingly invaded multiple UK allies, bombed the UK and submarine attacked British ships. Great.\n>>46\n>Nice argument\nIt is a good argument. You are exceedingly stupid anon.\n>They declared war over it.\nBecause they had to because they were contracted to Poland in a military alliance and Hitler knew this. Britain wasn't the only country allied to Poland and wasn't the only country that declared war on Germany because they were allied with Poland.\nYet nobody attacked Germany after the invasion as they were supposed to do on fear of a second world war.\nNobody should have to explain this to you.\n>>46\n>And now pakis rape their children while jews ethnically cleanse whites from cities built by their ancestors and flood their country with spics. Those countries are going to die pathetic deaths.\nThanks to Hitler."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>Mutts armed communists. You aren't going to change my mind, shill. My country hasn't had a single leader looking out for the minds, bodies, and souls of its people in my lifetime.\nBecause it is full of idiots like you."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>It is a good argument. You are exceedingly stupid anon.\nI don't think so\n>Because they had to because they were contracted to Poland in a military alliance\nYes, in March of 1939 6 months before the invasion, to curtail Germany in a regional conflict Britain decided to intervene in. In other words, literally the same people were in power. The British escalated, it's not debatable.\n>Britain wasn't the only country allied to Poland\nWhy was the declaration declared by the UK?\n>Thanks to Hitler.\nNah it's thanks to the kikes the British and Americans fought for. The same ones that pollute your brains with all kinds of awful behavior and values"}, {"id": 52, "content": "Ok, this is starting to get really off topic. We're talking about the Weimer Republic. I want to know if it was really that bad as it's being made out to be, shitty economic decisions aside. I want to mostly know about the societal aspects of it."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>I don't think so\nDoesn't matter what you think anon. You are objectively stupid.\n>>51\n>Yes, in March of 1939 6 months before the invasion, to curtail Germany in a regional conflict Britain decided to intervene in.\nYep, to prevent a second world war because it was obvious to many people what Germany was doing at that point. And then Germany invades Poland starting WW2. See you're learning history now!\n>>51\n>Why was the declaration declared by the UK?\nYou obviously haven't heard of any of the other alliances Poland had post WW1 because you're a moron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Polish_alliance.\n>>51\n>Nah it's thanks to the kikes the British and Americans fought for.\nThey didn't start and lose WW2 anon. Hitler was pro German. He wasn't pro white people.\nYet he killed more Germans than Jews.\n>The same ones that pollute your brains with all kinds of awful behavior and values\nThey aren't the same ones. You are talking about two completely different points of time separated by 80 years.\n>>52\n>Ok, this is starting to get really off topic. We're talking about the Weimer Republic\nYou're a Hitler larper equivalent to a Stalin larper.\nYou sowed the seed and reaped your 4chan mental illness."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes the SPD who began that shitshow was so awful at managing the economy that ex-soldiers chose between anti-communist radicals (Freikorps) and Communist (Bavarian Socialist Republic) and because a lot of communist and a lot of SPD leaders were Jewish because of their over-representation in contemporary academia,\n\nThe failure of the SPD to provide stability through its years of leadership, economic crisis caused by shit government policy regarding monetary supply, among other things led to mass prostitution while Marxists, now with allies in the government do what Marxists do best and came up with wildly stupid, radical beliefs about liberation and revolution that got spouted by the retarded socialists and communist parties in the Reichstag. This made the people high distrust of the international nature of the Marxist ideas so Hitler with Racial/National Socialism were competing against the Monarchists for power.\n\nThe Monarchists narrowly lost because a bunch of retarded international leftists realized their country was okay but couldn't handle the idea of someone getting rich.\n\nThe previously mentioned economic crisis and contemporary urban feminist movement led to a barter economy in which women, unable to compete with men for the scant few jobs turned the the oldest profession as men couldn't marry because many women didn't want to so goods-for-sex wasn't uncommon.\n\nThose previously mentioned commie universities came up with proto-transgenderism and some other ideas that were wildly unpopular (like gays shouldn't be killed and stuff)\n\nSo, all in all, Socialists and Communists believing in \"total liberation\" managed to piss off their voting population to chose between a dude who was a meth head and believed in a racial soul and Wilhelm II.\nThe meth head barely won, then proceeded to burn Europe to the ground.\n\nMoral of the story: Monarchies are required for Europeans to NOT be retarded."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>You're a Hitler larper equivalent to a Stalin larper.\n\n?\n\nI think you're talking about a different anon.\n\n>>54\nThank you for giving me an answer!\nI would like to read up more on this. Do you have any links to the information you provided?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nMemory mostly\nThough most of this stuff is pretty easy to find and admittedly some is pieced together from speeches given the writings, and lives, of most of the involved parties ended with the meth head's rise to power.\n\nI'd start at the Kiel Sailors Revolt and move on from their.\nYou'll learn Hitler was a communist at one point."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nBut center-right conservatives led the Wiemar years through a coalition (they were unquestionably at the head of) with the SPD under the threat that if the SPD didn't play along with them they would break off and form a coalition with the NSDAP, which they eventually did (when they were getting desperate as both the conservatives AND the Nazis were slowly losing traction to the KPD) and how Hitler got power."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>>57\n\nDo one of you know (or have) a chart of the ethic makeup of the KPD or any leftist parties in the Weimer Republic? Oh and even the makeup of right parties of the Weimar Republic would be nice to look at."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\nPost-WW1, it was simply depressing. Millions of your countrymen dying and your economy being destroyed will do that to a country. Hyper inflation followed, I believe the worst inflation that we have ever seen in history, until the government pushed through some reforms and fixed it.\nFrom 1924 to 1929, the Weimar Republic was fairly good. The economy was doing well, the society was much more liberal than before but anything outrageous such as Magnus Hirschfeld's transgender \"studies\" were rejected as most of the populace still had a 20th century mindset. Art and entertainment fields also flourished. This period is called the Golden 20s.\nIn 1929, the Wall Street Crash happened and the situation became apocalyptic. Germany was hit the hardest by the Crash, the economy was in shambles and people couldn't get jobs, many citizens were starving with no way out. As a result of this many women, and even children of both sexes, resorted to prostitution to put food on the table. People turned to either extreme hedonism to take their minds off the terrible situation they were in, or they became disillusioned with democracy and shifted towards the radical ideas of the Communists and National Socialists. Thus political violence also reached an all time high in Germany until the rise of Hitler to power."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>You'll learn Hitler was a communist at one point.\nWhich isn't surprising because communism is simply Socialism taken to it's logical extreme.\nAlso you will learn that Antifa originated in Germany after WW1 as Antifaschistische Aktion and was directly funded by the USSR.\nModern day Antifa are pro-socialist and pro-communist. They call everything Hitler related Fascism despite fascism being Italian socialism.\nThe fascism battle cry hides the fact that they actually support the forms of government used by Nazi Germany and Mussolini Italy."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nHitler was never communist. Read Mein Kampf."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nMein kampf is full of lies dude"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>Mein Kampf.\nThat was published in 1925 long after his temporary interests with communism.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuGRO72GbA [Embed]"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nShow me 1 (one) lie in Mein Kampf."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>2\n>jews were behind it all\nProof?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nDude I'm not going to re-read an entire book to prove a point on 4chinz\nThough the fact it was written by a politician should be enough"}, {"id": 67, "content": "No.\n\nGermany was introduced to democracy during hard times. Thats where things begin to go wrong.\n\nThe problem was that Germans didn't know what to make of democracy, they've never had it, nor did they believe in it. They often blamed democracy for their problems, there was an assumed correlation to the situation.\nThe parliament was just a war of thuggery between all parties, especially the radicals. Everyone was looking for ways to abuse the system to block or attack each others. In the last years before Hitler they had like 4 re-elections. Just look at some of the NSADP top ministers like Wilhelm Frick to get an idea how their political career looked like.\nThe only way to get anything done was the chancellor enacting emergency power to pass laws and legislations, so that practice it became almost standard.\n\nThis is how Hitler abolished democracy once he himself was named chancellor."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>21\n>France crippled their economy\n>by imposing a treaty with lighter terms than the Treaty of Frankfurt (which France followed and paid in full)\n>and also forgiving the majority of the terms set in the Treaty of Versailles\n>all of this after the Germans purposefully razed the most industrialised and industrial-resource-rich regions in France during their retreat\n>despite not a single enemy boot ever falling foot in Germany\nWow!"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>53\n>Doesn't matter what you think anon. You are objectively stupid.\nInbred jew losing his temper\n>Yep, to prevent a second world war\nThey had started it at that point, over a regional conflict between Germany and Poland.\n>because it was obvious to many people what Germany was doing at that point.\nWhich is? Tell me, mind reader. Building super soldiers in a lab to take over the US?\n>You obviously haven't heard of any of the other alliances Poland had post WW1 because you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Polish_alliance.\nYou literally proved me right Britain and France never gave a fuck about Poland, they always just wanted to weaken and surround Germany.. Poland was an arbitrary line in the sand, and yes the UK did declare that they and France would come to Poland's defense.\n>They didn't start and lose WW2 anon.\nAhahaha. The UK is a US colony post 1945. They did start a global war by choosing to escalate a regional conflict, and they got a communist-controlled Europe for their troubles. Your premise is based on bullshit to bein with. Hitler never declared war on the UK.\n>Hitler was pro German\nThat's a good thing retard. Every government should serve the people it cannot exist without, not exploit them and hide behind guns while orchestrating genocide.\n>He wasn't pro white people.\nHitler had alliances with non-Germans faggot. He was not blindly exterminating people for not meeting No, he was not a Pan-Europeanist and would capture territories for Germans to live in. None of these faggot governments are \"pro-white\". I fucking hate this shilled talking point. What does it even mean to be \"pro-white\"? American? Because Europeans have fought over territory, resources, and power for thousands of years.\n>Yet he killed more Germans than Jews.\nNo shit, there are more Germans than jews and he was chancellor of Germany through a deadly war. Mutts also gave communists the weapons they needed to stop Germany. They are to blame for the spread of communism in Europe."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nThis niggerkike lies"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\n\nAlso dont forget this \"unfair beyond worlds\" territory loss of Germany was a fraction of the territory demands Germany imposed on Imperial Russia during their peace negoatioations.\n\nGermany also go off quite lightly compared to their allies who lost nearly 80 percent of their territory yet didnt feel the need to cause a new world war."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nAnd don't forget you're a niggerkike"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>66\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\n\nWhats inaccurate"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nAll the areas that Germany cut off weren't even majority Russian lol, why do you people turn into Tsarsimps whenever this shit is brought up"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nWhy the fuck are you spacing like this?\n>dey couldn't handle democracy!\nGermany was a war-torn shithole, pretending otherwise is retardation"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nIt wasn't. It became one of the richest European countries by 1927. You're completely clueless about the topic."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\n\nThe huge amount of land Germany demanded in Brest-Litovsk treaty had been historically Russia for hundreds of years, and absolutely not German.\nThere was probably just as many ethnic Russians in those lands as there were ethnic Germans in the new Polish lands.\n\nThe argument is that Germany had no historic or demographic justification to annex all that land from Imperial Russia, yet they cry blue murder about the Versailles treaty because Poland did not have any historical justification to their regions.\n\nYou're also justifying the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe after ww2 when you insist that external demographic is a rightous cause for war of aggression. Your argument is that the allies should have expelled ALL Germans from Czechoslovakia and Poland so that the nazis couldnt sperg out and start a world war."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was okay, could be better.\n\n>Many say it's a reason why the NatSocs rose to power\nA meme. Their putsch failed because no one joined them. In 1928 they got 2.5% votes or so. You have all those hacks writing how it was inevitable, but that's just pure nonsense. Hacks just like simple stories about 'degeneracy' causing collapse.\nIt's why they called Berlin modern Babylon, compared Weimar to a collapsing Rome and so on."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nRich countries survive on loans?"}, {"id": 81, "content": "They had hyper-inflation and were re-invaded by the French because even by printing money they couldn't pay off their demands (occupation of the Ruhr).\nThe German Reichsbank were effectively taken over by the French, the Americans and British in 1925. (Dawes Plan)\nThe \"\"Rich\"\" times following the subsequent 2 years after involved a loan of wall street bonds overseen by US private banks and the State to make sure the central bank they had stolen did not lose it's value in the short-term.\n\nWeimar was always a total mess with little to no redeming qualities.\nThey were effectively making things worse by handing over the reins of their economy under threat of invasion without being willing to fight back."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>69\n>Inbred jew losing his temper\nAutistic upset Nazi larper calling random people Jews.\n>>69\n>They had started it at that point\nBritain and France didn't invade Poland buddy.\n>>69\n>Which is? Tell me\nPreparing to invade Poland.\n>>69\n>You literally proved me right Britain and France never gave a fuck about Poland\nSo you contradict yourself by claiming their declaration of war was a serious threat against Germany? Not very smart anon.\n>>69\n>Ahahaha. The UK is a US colony post 1945\nUmm. No they are not. And Hitler invaded Poland starting WW2. And continued the war by invading France, Demark, Norway, Romania etc just goes on and on.\n>That's a good thing retard\nNo it isn't. Hitler wasn't pro white he was pro Germany the country. So he killed more Germans than Jews and Killed millions of white non-Germans.\n>Hitler had alliances with non-Germans faggot.\nItaly, that he broke off at the end of the war and purposely burnt down Roman archeological artifacts.\nThe USSR, he gave away much of Europe to the USSR and then changed his mind to attack the USSR and lost. The USSR then retaining control of European countries thanks to the carnage and chaos left behind by Hitler post WW2\nHitler wanted an alliance with China but that fell through so he allied with Japan out of desperation.\nHe also had foreign Indian, Muslim and black soldiers fighting for him who hated Britain and France.\n>No shit\nSo that's why he's your hero. He killed way more white people than Jews and sold off much of Europe to the USSR. Great job mentally ill anon."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n\nIn a sense yes."}, {"id": 84, "content": "Here's a bill valued at 50 trillion marks from 1923.\nYou tell me."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>76\nWhat's funny is that the wild inflation that everyone points to when they talk about Weimar Germany wasn't caused by socialist incompetence, but by the Germans throwing a tantrum when the French occupied northwestern Germany because they refused to pay denbts. The ludicrous amount of marks printed was used both to pay for the French occupation and, as a result, also devalue the franc, to which the mark was closely tied. Despite all this, their economy not only quickly (relatively speaking at least, much faster than their neighbors who actually got the shit bombed out of them to the point of former farmlands TO THIS DAY being unusable) recovered, but came out much stronger than it was before the war by 1927.\n>>80\nDebt is literally what the global economy runs on, are you retarded?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>69\n>They had started it at that point, over a regional conflict between Germany and Poland.\n\n\nAnon please tell me about how USA started the Korean War.\nI mean, why didnt they just mind their own business?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>they refused to pay denbts\nThey were willing but unable because hyper-inflation had closed all currency trading available to them and the French weren't going to accept deutschemarks.\n>quickly recovered\nTheir central bank was directly taken over by foreign nations and they were given a small loan to stabilize things.\nSomething tells me people on here wouldn't be championing the US losing control over their central banks to Russia or China as the actions of a competent government."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>Anon please tell me about how USA started the Korean War.\n>I mean, why didnt they just mind their own busines\nIt's an interventionist country run by kikes who couldn't care less about killing the cattle they rule over"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>80\n>Rich countries survive on loans?\nThey certainly do, look at America and Australia today. Infinite debt that they will never pay off.\n>>85\n>but by the Germans throwing a tantrum when the French occupied northwestern Germany because they refused to pay denbts\nTHIS, also France was punished way more severely after the fall of Napoleon than Germany was after WW1.\nSo the whole \"Germany was picked on more than anyone else ever\" crybaby bullshit is just that. Bullshit."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">much faster than their neighbors who actually got the shit bombed out of them to the point of former farmlands\nunironically what did the ESL mean by this"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\n>It's an interventionist country run by kikes who couldn't care less about killing the cattle they rule over\nVery cool statement semi-retarded baby-brain anon. Goo goo gaa gaa."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>81\nWhat kind of retarded revisionist history is this? The West wanted to kickstart German economy which is why they loaned them so much money. The stupid shithole deliberately ruined their own economy by printing money and back then everyone ran on American loans.\nAlso, you have your chronology wrong. Hyper-inflation started after the French invaded Ruhr, not before. Before 1923 it was bad, but not that bad. It was manageable."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>85\n\nHitler loving faggots has never picked up a book in their life. Do you seriously expect them to know anything about macroeconomics?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\n\n>What is hegemony\n>ITS AN INTERVENTIONIST COUNTRY RUN BY KIKES"}, {"id": 95, "content": "The big sign for me how Weimar really was as bad as people say is that extremely liberal pop historians in my country, the kind that can't mention a medieval war without waxing for pages about how horrible it was for the poor peasants and how war is never good except for Democratic Freedom Wars™ and great man theory is horrible right-wing theory for fascists no great man has ever decided anything etc etc wanted to write about Weimar but were told by their publisher that they weren't allowed to and that they would have to find another publisher for their future works if they did. Their publisher happens to be owned by a jewish family dynasty."}, {"id": 96, "content": "Oh now, our country isn't richest in Europe anymore... it's just third! Also, the Poles! The Poles have now an independent country! Hitler save us!\n\nLiterally dindu nuffins of Europe. Meanwhile by 1924 Germany provokes a Polish-German trade war to destroy Polish economy and incorporate Western Poland to Germany.\n\n>he German press openly praised the trade war, hoping it would lead to destruction of the Polish state. As the Frankfurter Zeitung wrote on 14 June 1924, \"Poland must be mortally wounded after the trade war. With her blood her strength will flow away as well, and finally her independence\"[19]\nWhat a poor country. Shitty expansionist empire that wanted to rule most of Europe lost a war, was treated with kid gloves and still cried about being oppressed by the French meanies."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>The West wanted to kickstart German economy\nAfter they had taken control over their central bank and de-facto their economy.\n>The stupid shithole deliberately ruined their own economy by printing money\nThe devaluation of the mark started with the first versailles payment in 1921, payments which had to be made in foreign currency, and became worse every subsequent payment.\nThe entire reason they printed money in the first place was to buy foreign currency to pay off the French to avoid another war, which caused hyper-inflation that made it impossible to pay them off for a third-year which sparked the French to invade Germany again.\n>Also, you have your chronology wrong. Hyper-inflation started after the French invaded Ruhr, not before.\nNo. It was already unliveable at the end of 1922. Living costs had increased 17x over the span of half a year."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\n>The Poles have now an independent country! Hitler save us!\nGermany Gave Poland to the USSR you fucking retard. Poland was a shithole up to the late 1980's. I know because I visited my family their and hospitals were so underfunded that there wasn't enough hand antiseptic for surgeons so people were getting hepatitis after surgeries.\nAlso all the Soviet condominiums were built out of crumbly cheap asbestos filled concrete that gave many people lug cancer. You got fined for working overtime because that was capitalist etc.\nMost worryingly is that Poland recovered quickly in the 90's up to today but Ukraine stayed a shithole up to the present day conflict."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nI don't know why you posted it. It literally shows that hyperinflation started in 1923. The French moved to Ruhr in January. There was inflation all over Europe back then."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nI literally don't understand what you're trying to say and how is any of this related to relations between Germany and Poland in 1920s."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>13\nA War Torn county? Seriously? Germany itself was only briefly invaded in 1914 and that was it. It's industry, infrastructure, and production capacity were intact."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>I literally don't understand what you're trying to say\nI don't think you ever understand what anyone is ever saying full stop anon.\n>how is any of this related to relations between Germany and Poland in 1920s.\nPoland wouldn't have been part of the USSR if Hitler never existed."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\n>I don't know why you posted it. It literally shows that hyperinflation started in 1923.\nLook at the peak of 1922 and compare it to 1921 and tell me hyperinflation \"started\" in 1923 again."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>78\n>The argument is that Germany had no historic or demographic justification to annex all that land from Imperial Russia, yet they cry blue murder about the Versailles treaty because Poland did not have any historical justification to their regions.\nGermany balkanized Russia and created a buffer\n>Autistic upset Nazi larper calling random people Jews\nIf you're defending kikes you probably are one\n>Britain and France didn't invade Poland buddy.\nPoland is not relevant to Britain or France hence why they let it succumb to a German and Soviet invasion, retard.\n>Umm. No they are not. And Hitler invaded Poland starting WW2\nNope. It only becomes a world war when the world joins in.\n>So that's why he's your hero.\nBecause he named and slayed the jew poisoning his country. He is eternally vindicated looking at the dystopia they created. And yes, they are to responsible for their own actions. Fuck off kike, you are the exact kind of parasite that uses media to poison people with self hatred, anti-natalism, pro-transgender, anti-christian propaganda.\n>Preparing to invade Poland.\nA country they never cared about, one irrelevant to Britain\n>by invading France,\nFrance declared war dumb faggot.\n>Demark, Norway,\nThis was done to secure supplies the allies would have otherwise cut them off from.\n>and sold off much of Europe to the USSR.\nMutts did that with their lend-lease program, soviets couldn't have taken Europe without them\n>>Hitler had alliances with non-Germans faggot\nThis is correct.\n>he wanted to kill anyone for not being German\nYou are pushing fanatic propaganda"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nSo it went from 10 in 1921 to around 10,000 at the start of 1923.\nAnd then in 1923 alone it went from 10,000 to 1,000,000,000,000. Like I said, it was manageable before the Germans decided to tank their economy. Mind you, they agreed on these terms, they were obligated to pay. And they very much could pay. Most historians agree."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>Poland is not relevant to Britain or France\nWow, you people are beyond stupid. I'm guessing all those Polish-French treaties that replaced French-Russian treaties were just a practical joke. Little Entente was a prank too."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>2\nDon't accuse France like that. France didn't want Germany to keep existing at all. If Foch had had his way (and the only reason he didn't was because the French government wanted more American money), the German empire would have been dismantled into 6-8 smaller states. If memory serves, it was supposed to be Bavaria+Franconia, Bade-Wurttemberg, the Rhineland, Saxony+Thuringia, Brandenburg, Prussia, Hanover and Mecklemburg-Pomerania."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\n>manageable\nEvidently not since they couldn't buy enough foreign currency at that point to not get invaded and have their central bank taken over."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>105\n>And they very much could pay. Most historians agree.\nThey obviously could not as the invasion in 1923 self-evidently shows."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nStupid Americans and British saved Germany, yes. Then Muricans fucked off and Brits became pussies who allowed them to rearm and start another world war."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>104\n\nWho are you quoting. I literally wrote nothing of that and it was probably the most dishonest paraphrasing you could have made.\n\nThe argument was how harsh Versailles treaty was in perspective to the Brest-Litovsk treaty, and you start ranting about everything else.\n\n>Germany balkanized Russia and created a buffer\nAnd the allies created buffer nations to Germany.\nIt doesnt change the fact that when Germany prevailed over one of their opponents in ww1, they imposed severely harsher territorial demands on their defeated enemy than the allies did on Germany.\nOther anons has also stated that Germany demanded harsh war reperations on France and occupied French industrial areas after their war in late 1800.\n\nThe treaty of Versailles mirrored what the entente felt they could have expected from a German victory. Altough the Versailles treaty was harsh, it wasnt \"beyond worlds\" as the Germans claimed and did not justify a world war.\n\n>Nope. It only becomes a world war when the world joins in.\nI somewhat agree with your argument. Britain and France should have invaded Germany the moment they remilitarized the Rhineland and began rearmament. It would have prevented ww2 as Germany was a meager force back then and not a regional power able to wage a world war against Britain.\n\nThe biggest fault was allowing Hitler to annex Sudetenland. If Britain had said no there wouldnt be a thing Hitler could have done except going home and forget his little games."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nThe Foch plan even involved \"national creation\" by basically dismantling the German identity (in Austria too), heavily promoting local dialects to destroy mutual intelligibility, making each German successor state, in its very structure and administration, slightly different to help foster distinct identities, and even ensuring not all of them would actually be French vassals so that some could be turned into each other's enemies to foster division.\nThe French had this shit all figured out."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>108\nI don't know why you constantly say this when it's not even true. Schacht was still the president of Reichsbank. Dawes Plan ended hyperinflation, ended occupation of Ruhr and made Germany a much richer country."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\n>And the allies created buffer nations to Germany.\nNever happened or you don't understand the term. Ukraine and Belarus were buffer states in 1918 as they were situated between two powers. Poland is just fuckmeat that was destined to get BTFO. France deserved those reparations for invading Prussia unprovoked but I will stop here. You are probably one of those long-nosed freaks with a grude against Germans"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\n>Schacht was still the president of Reichsbank\nUnder control of the allied forces. No longer having control of their own economy."}, {"id": 116, "content": "It's funny how the main /pol/tard argument is insinuating that the prevailing allies in ww1 are responsible for ww2 because they didnt\n\n1. Expell all German minorities from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Danzig into Germany\n\n2. Implement a Morgenthau Plan-esque peace treaty which would have destroyed the German nation\n\n3. Invade Germany the moment they broke the first points of the Versailles treaty\n\nI wonder if you guys realize how fucking dumb you are. You're telling us that the western allies should have treated the Germans like feral niggers and taken every possible step to impose a Carthaginian peace because Germans cant suck up and move on like the Turks did."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\n>3. Invade Germany the moment they broke the first points of the Versailles treaty\nThey did do that."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\nExcept that's not true. They still had control, it just wasn't total control. Why should other countries trust Germany after all the shit they pulled?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>114\nPoland and Czechoslovakia were in a sense buffer states. The allies wanted to weaken Imperial Germany. The common practice to weaken a nation is to strip pieces of its land.\nThese pieces needs to go to someone else.\nThe allies didnt want to give these pieces of land to Hungary or the USSR since they were rivals or had been rivals as well.\nThey could also not give these pieces of land to themselves (Britain, France, USA) because it would have been a liability.\nHence its perfectly logical why Poland and Czechoslovakia were formed (nevermind the national identity of the people) as to strip Germany of land but not giving the lands to other rivals.\n.\n\nMakes sense?\n\nSo theres no difference of Imperial Germany creating massive buffer states that are subservient to Berlin than for France to create buffer states that are allied to Paris."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n\nNo I mean proper war declaration.\nAnd not when they failed to pay, but when they outright refused and began re-miliarize the Rhineland. Thats when the western powers should have invaded. It would have been the end of Hitler right then and there."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\n>They still had control, it just wasn't total control\nThey did not have control.\n>Why should other countries trust Germany after all the shit they pulled?\nWho said they should?\nThis is an argument about the incompetency of Weimar and how their minor rich period was solely down to selling out control of their central bank and by extension their economy."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\n>They did not have control.\nSource?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>121\nThe German–Polish customs war was a political and economic conflict between the Second Polish Republic and the Weimar Republic, which began in June 1925 (shortly after the death of German president Friedrich Ebert from SPD) and ended officially in March 1934.[1] The conflict began when Poland's status expired as one of the Entente's most favoured nations in trade with Germany.[note 1] Berlin then decided to raise customs duty, which primarily affected the Polish coal industry, Poland's main export to Germany. In return, Warsaw also raised duty on German goods.[2] Germany's purpose in the war was to cause a breakdown of Poland's economy and gain political concessions.[1] They included revanchist claims to Polish territories.[3]\n\nSo, how could Germany do this if according to you they did not control their economy? That's post Dawes Plan."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\nBecause the Young Plan in 29 was made expressively to hand back control over economic policy."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>123\n>So, how could Germany do this if according to you they did not control their economy?\nBy support of the allies who have never cared about poland and only wanted to repay their own debts to the US."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\nBut I thought Germany was poor and oppressed by the Allies?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nThey were but evidently they cared more about their newly owned economy and repayments than they did the polish coal indistry."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>104\n>If you're defending kikes you probably are one\nYour the only person randomly mentioning kikes for no reason what so ever. Mostly mental illness I'm guessing.\n>>104\n>Poland is not relevant to Britain or France hence why they let it succumb to a German\nYou claimed that their declaration of war against Germany after the Polish invasion was a legitimate threat. Try not to contradict yourself next time.\n> and Soviet invasion, retard.\nUmm. Germany gave half of Poland to the USSR with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Then on losing the war the USSR managed to secure the other half.\n>>104\n>Nope. It only becomes a world war when the world joins in.\nNope WW2 started in 1939 with the invasion of Poland. Learn to read anon.\n>Because he named and slayed the jew poisoning his country.\nAnd slayed more of his own people and countless millions of other white people.\nAnd destroyed their countries forever.\nThat's why you love him.\n>A country they never cared about.\nCared so little about that you take their war declaration very seriously. Very contradictory.\n>France declared war dumb faggot.\nBecause Germany invaded their ally they had an alliance with since 1920. Germany entered and invaded France. France never entered Germany. You are mentally ill.\n>This was done to secure supplies the allies would have otherwise cut them off from.\nGermany can just invade anyone and they just\nneed to accept it lol.\n>Mutts did that with their lend-lease program.\nNo, that was Germany with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the ensuring destruction of Europe due to Hitler's actions.\n>This is correct.\nNo it isn't. He could never hold onto long-term alliances and even turned his back on Italy. This helped to doom his empire of nothing.\n>You are pushing fanatic propaganda\nHe literally killed all slavs he met. Even Russians who wanted to defect to his side during the Russian invasion attempt."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\n>He literally killed all slavs he met\nYou mean he just bludgeoned any slav that came within a five meter radius with the nearest object or what"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nSucking Hitler penis."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nVlasov had 120k fighting for him, that's not \"literally killing all slavs he met\" you coping cunt."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">NatSocs"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\n>finns\n>capable of literacy"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>131\n>Vlasov had 120k fighting for him, that's not \"literally killing all slavs he met\" you coping cunt.\nWow! How does that counteract the 3 million Russian civilians the Germans killed?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\n>>finns\n>>capable of literacy\nAre you a shitskin by any chance?"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>131\n>Vlasov had 120k fighting for him, that's not \"literally killing all slavs he met\" you coping cunt.\n\"Hitler penis sucking sounds intensify\""}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\n>>136\nSo he didn't kill literally every slav they came across, thanks\ninb4 more samefagging\n>ugh suck hitler's dick much?\n>oh wow he didn't kill everyone"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\n>So he didn't kill literally every slav they came across, thanks\n>inb4 more samefagging\nAutist takes everything literally like a idiot and is surprised when other people samefag because he is samefagging."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>137\n\"literally drinking Hitler piss at this point\""}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\n>literally\nYou're literally running that word into the ground at this point"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n>You're literally running that word into the ground at this point\n\"Literally handjobbing Hitler whilst talking about the overuse of the word literally.\""}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\nHave you got any responses that don't involve gay sex"}, {"id": 143, "content": "No. Watch Berlin Symphony of A Great City. It shows how Berlin looked like in 1926-1927."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>142\n>Have you got any responses that don't involve gay sex\nAsk Ernst Röhm anon. He can teach you all about Adolf's favorite things."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>142\nWorshipping Hitler is pretty gay anon. You're the one being weirdly gay."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>10\n>Wartorn\nYou know that the Frontlines never actually made it into Germany proper, right? The only German province which saw major fighting was in East Prussia in 1914, and after that the Germans quickly drove the Russians out of the slim area they had taken.\nPhysically, Germany was largely intact and untouched by the war. It was France and Belgium which got torn up."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>119\nRetard"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\n>Retard\nYou are anon. You really are a retard."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>146\nStop repeating yourself retard\n>You know the Vietnam War was never fought on US soil right? This must mean it had no impact on America"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\n>>You know the Vietnam War was never fought on US soil right? This must mean it had no impact on America\nNot a single part of America was Bombed by Vietnam anon.\n50,000 Americans died and 2 million North Vietnamese killed.\nThe population of America at the time was 200 million and the population of North Korea was around 20 million.\none out of ten North Vietnamese were killed and one out of 4,000 Americans were killed."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>49\n>Which is why he knowingly invaded multiple UK allies, bombed the UK and submarine attacked British ships. Great.\nNo, Hitler didn't wanted war with the UK and the British royal family was for making peace with Hitler, against communists, it's Churchill actually who lauched UK into the WW2."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\n>No, Hitler didn't wanted war with the UK\nDidn't want a war but started WW2, knowingly invaded multiple UK allies, bombed the UK and submarine attacked British ships. Great.\nWhat a defective brain you have anon."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy 1923 the economy was stabilized and enjoyed booming economic growth until that was cut short by the Great Depression. So it had like 6-7 good years, but it was never able to stabilize politically for this reason."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nThe USSR represented a greater threat than the Third Reich. To see the Soviets succeed was far worse for Western elites than to see a new German empire being formed. 100% sure they thinked like that."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\nOnce the economy crashed in October 1929; things really did crash and burn."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\n>The USSR represented a greater threat than the Third Reich\nWhich is why Nazi Germany handed over much of Europe to the USSR prior to Hitler changing his mind and losing in an invasion attempt on Russia.\nGermany Destroyed Europe and that made the Expanded USSR a possibility. All thanks to Hitler.\nYou're low IQ anon."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>unknown\neurope's biggest export during the 20th century was jews to israel huh"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>156\n>Which is why Nazi Germany handed over much of Europe to the USSR\nShitholes you mean? The Baltic States and part of Poland."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">14934592\n\n\nNeither Poland nor Estonia are shitholes today anon. They are first-world tier.\n\nAnd it doesn't change the fact that Hitler made it possible for the USSR to spread destructive communism across the continent.\n\n>14934379\n\nIt was rather UK who didn't want war with Germany, hence why they allowed Germany to halt war reparations, remilitarize the western parts of Germany, begin vast rearmament, annex Austria, and annex Sudetenland. If Britain wanted war they would have invaded right from the beginning and the game would have been over before it even began.\n\nDeclaring war over Poland was a line Britain drew because Hitler had broken his promises and violated a shared agreement and obviously had no intention on cooperating for peace and stability. Britain made it very clear that it would be war if Germany attacked Poland and Hitler did it anyway. It would have been the same for the US if China attacked Taiwan today."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>157\n>europe's biggest export during the 20th century was jews to israel huh\nAnd America\n>>158\n>Shitholes you mean? The Baltic States and part of Poland.\nGermany is a Baltic country anon. It has a large coastline with the Baltic sea.\nAnd no, they weren't shitholes prior to German and USSR invasion.\nYou don't care about Germany giving the USSR ownership over Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria\nYou don't care about white people at all."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>54\n>Moral of the story: Monarchies are required for Europeans to NOT be retarded.\nI totally agree."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\nI try in my first post to explain that the elites of Western Europe do not wish war with Hitler because the USSR was a greater danger for them. The Soviet models to succeed and export to an industrialized country like Germany would have been a total disaster. I gave an example such as the British monarchy who were friends with Hitler to support my point, I then added that Churchill was a fiercely anti-German warmonger\n>In a 1935 essay, titled Hitler and his Choice and republished in Great Contemporaries in 1968, he expressed the hope that despite his rise to power by dictatorial methods, hatred and cruelty, Hitler could still \" go down in history as the man who restored the honor and peace of mind of the great Germanic nation, once again serene, useful and strong, and in the forefront of the circle of the European family”.\n>When Hitler shortly afterwards decreed conscription again, HE HOPE THAT FRANCE WILL USE ITS TEMPORARY SUPERIORITY TO ATTACK GERMANY, which it does not do, as Hitler anticipated.\n\n>You don't care about Germany giving the USSR ownership over Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria\nYou mean after the defeat of nazi germany? I talk about Hitler's concessions to Stalin and yes I think giving part of Poland to Stalin was a good move because then he was going to counter-attack the USSR.\n\n>You don't care about white people at all.\nI really like Europeans, I am nationalist and catholic, the region where I live is magnificent, there are cathedrals, churches, castles, stone houses absolutely everywhere. Today what I see are apathetic Europeans addicted to weed, hooked on their TalmudVision, roasties who don't want children, millions of niggers who come just to take advantage of the work of my ancestors and I am absolutely disgusted to see that.\nIt's good?"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>54\n>the communists weren't providing stability\nsince when have communists ever been interested in stability? they wanted to destabilize germany and start a civil war to kill off the military"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\n>>151\n\n\nDo you know how we can tell that you are completely uneducated on this topic?\n\nIt is now the second time you have attributed the British declaration of war to Churchill.\n\nIt's time to shut up and leave."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nChurchill is an alcoholic, race traitor, kike puppet. He is not my hero, I hate him."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\n\nOk. Now leave. Come back when you have some basic knowledge."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nCan you denounce the Talmud and the Quran?\nBTW, I didn't say that it was Churchill who declared war on Germany, which you seem to have intended from the start, but that he was clearly responsible for Germany's defeat."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>167\n\nCan you just fuck off back to /pol/ already?\nWhy would anyone be interested in your alternative interpretations of history when you cant even get the basic facts right? It literally hold no merit.\n\n/pol/acks already have a bad reputation here for being insufferably uneducated. You're not helping."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>93\nYou don't even need to know economics to come to the conclusion that\n>Germany basically greenlights war\n>Invades neutral country\n>proceeds to cause massive damage to countries its invaded\n>Lose war\n>Have to repay invaded countries because they obviously have to rebuild\nWhat did they expect Belgium and France to repair their country with apologies, hopes, and dreams or something?"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>29\n>>32\nAnyone who uses video game terminology when discussing politics is just as bad as faggots who compare everything to Star Wars and Harry Potter"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\nI do apologize for my stupid reply, I don't often post on /his/."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>2\nok nazi"}, {"id": 173, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWqnnUeD6cw [Embed]\n\nInfinitely worse."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>173\nAnd the Nazis didn't make things any better."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">god exists"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Holy Bible"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe Holy Qur'an"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile the events of the Ot never happened, any afterlife or soul is impossible to prove and it is better to act in a way which is rationally compatible with this.\n\nt. Socratic and Cartesian big brainy"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWhat was the magic book's citation?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nBook of Mormon"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe Holy Vedas"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThe Vedas, Zend-Avesta, Bible, Tao Te Ching, Tripitaka, Mormon & Qur'an books; Volumes 1-8;\nare simple Cryptography of the Tabernacle (Mishkan) of God and the Golden Plates locations.\n\nRead the \"Superbook of Superfaith\" (hardcover):\n\nVolume 1. The Vedas, authors Arjuna & Krishna\nVolume 2. Zend-Avesta, authors Maidhyoimanha & Zoroaster\nVolume 3. Old Testament, authors Haroun & Musa\nVolume 4. Tao Te Ching, authors Laozi & Confucius\nVolume 5. Tripitaka, authors Gautama & Buddha\nVolume 6. New Testament, authors Yahya & Isa\nVolume 7. Mormon, authors Mormon & Moroni\nVolume 8. Qur'an, authors Muhammad & Ali\n\nA good read. For all ages. Softcover too.\n\nCounty of Wiltshire\nGreat Britain, UK\n\n(second printing, volume added)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhether any of those are true it is pointless to debate making any speculation and 99% of the threads on here pointless."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nG for God, G's us"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>and it is better to act in a way which is rationally compatible with this\nYes"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51uhjwYtpns [Embed]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIN GOD WE TRUST (citation) Supreme Court of the United States"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nSchizo shit full of older myths regarded by Paul to sell to gullible idiots"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThe difference is, christianity is obviously the one true faith on account of its rigorous philosophical tradition as well as miracles."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n*rehashed"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-03-02-0105"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>its rigorous philosophical tradition\nEvidence of the fact that people become addicted to comforting lies regardless of how intelligent they are.\n\n>Miracles\nSupernaturalism doesn’t exist. Belief in it is a feminine mental state from low agency people who want the illusion that they’re in control."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nOP btfo'd"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nChristianity is Platonic philosophy lite and there is absolutely zero evidence for Rabbi Yeshua ben Pantera existing."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nUS national Motto of US website 2channel and US national Motto of US website 4channel.\n\nIN GOD WE TRUST, by Benjamin Franklin, 1748."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\njust another commie foreigner"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>5\nWhat are the Sumerian King Lists' citation?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nHe probably existed but that implies nothing about any divinity, or even that he was anything other than an itinerant faith healer."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nSumerian king lists do not claim that an invisible entity with a jewish rapebaby that will burn you in magic lava for masturbating."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nNigger, half their names are that. Also hell isn't a fiery pit God sends you to, faggot"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>uuuh, no chud, hell isn't literally magic lava, it's le separation from god, chuddy\nI'm sure every illiterate peasant also had the same conception of hell. Of course."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYf6ITgWbk [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1fVAjyXCqw [Embed]\nImagine being completely alone and harboring that attitude for eternity"}, {"id": 29, "content": "God is a Daemon of creation. It means spirit and every being is one."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>youtube videos"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>4chan \"rhetoric\"\nAt least Michael Jones is more intellectually honest and rigorous than you'll ever be"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>God is a Daemon of creation\nEverything about that is wrong and incompatible with itself philosophically; not only does it not explain the origin of reality, but Daemon is not the same shit as Demon"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\n>US national Motto of US website 2channel and US national Motto of US website 4channel.\n>IN GOD WE TRUST, by Benjamin Franklin, 1748.\nTheists' and Atheists' goal is to overthrow \"Government Of Democracy\" GOD"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIntrospection\nPlotinus\nSt Paul"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\nTheists say \"Government Of Dictatorship\" GOD exists and\nAtheists say \"Government Of Democracy\" GOD does not,\nso GOD exists but Theists and Atheists hate Democracy."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npretty much. I challenge anyone in this thread to refute this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Are there any good resources to learn about the beginnings and spread of christianity?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nChristianity does not exist."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>unknown\nMore to the point, theistic religion requires sincere faith. \"Believing\" to hedge one's bets is not going to work."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nthe wiki article you mention literally includes several refutations"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">children of Satan being obvious"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nBeelzebub"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>11\n>Pascal's Bet\nGambling is for fools"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nNope, gnostic religion is about the experience of transcendence"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nhard eight"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n21"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\nthose refutations suck"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\ndebunk them"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">human rights exist"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>35\nTake your meds."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Wikipedia\nTheir mod such colossal faggot"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\n>\"omnipotence doesn't mean breaking the laws of logic\"\nyes it does. you're making shit up because you can't accept that your god is not omnipotent\n>\"paradoxes are meaningless, the question is sophistry\"\nI think this is saying that the rock god can't lift up question is meaningless because it is paradoxical, as if you can't ask that question or something. Can I ask if god can prove that 1+1=3? That challenge isn't paradoxical, it's just impossible, unless you really think god can prove it, but I don't."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nHuman rights are a social construct, same as god."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>\"omnipotence doesn't mean breaking the laws of logic\"\n>ackchually yes it does\ngood argument\n\n>\"paradoxes are meaningless, the question is sophistry\"\n>didn't understand it properly, tries to make sense of it doesn't even debunk that\nvery good indeed\n\nalso the article mentions specific authors and texts, which is where the actual refutations lie. If you're out to debunk them because \"those reutations suck\" then that's where you should be looking, not the fucking wiki page"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nhow about you come up with a counterargument to what I just wrote instead of saying \"lol good argument\""}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nmy counterargument would consist in reiterating the refutations cited on the wiki page, since you didn't even come close to taking the discussion one step further. you didn't identify their theoretical approach, or their methodological and metaphysical presuppositions, etc. nothing except for \"you're making stuff up\".\nthose refutations still stand as far as this conversation is concerned\n\ndoes all this seem silly? fuck yes, but you're the one who decided to say that arguments made by professional philosophers suck"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nthe omnipotence paradox was also made by a professional philosopher, just one who isn't retarded."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nAnd other philosophers took it seriously and read into it, which is what they should do because that's how thought develops.\nAlthough, notice how they didn't go \"hurr durr the paradoks argument sucks hahaha what a retard unga bunga\"?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nProlly cuz you're full of shit. Hahaha"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>50\nRemember kids; Don't do drugs."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>>58\ntl;dr god is omnipotent despite not being able to prove 1+1=3. he can do anything even though he CAN'T actually do ANYTHING, because doing anything would require him breaking the laws of physics, causality, and logic. but he's super omnipotent because you guys said so and called me stupid. that's why.\n\ntell me what god has done that couldn't be explained by aliens pretending to be god (ex: the whole bible). go ahead."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>since I got BTFO'd now do theology in a 4chan post\ntypical oonga boonga reaction kek\n\nGod created the world from nothing. Aliens can't do that since they're part of creation in the case that they actually exist\n\nalso you still didn't pay proper attention to the refutations, which shows in the fact that you repeated your so called debunking even though it's shit"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nGod is an extraterrestrial."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nI never realized how unbelievably delusional believers are. The logic is irrefutable but you somehow manage to refute it. There's your paradox. Go suffer; I know you believers are so grateful for it since GOD LOOOOVES YOU (by making you suffer). You know some people rape infants to death? Your god doesn't exist, fucking retard."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nnot exactly\n\n>>64\nyou sound mad. why? i don't have your meds"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nYou sound wrong, which is pathetic because you could just not talk and at least not be wrong."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nI'm not wrong, regardless of how I might sound to you. The Holy Ghost is with me. I can see that you're still mad; that's fine though. I know that one day you and I will reunite in His holy city, for even the oonga boongas will feel His warm embrace.\n\nFor now, I leave you with St. Paul:\n2 Corinthians 4:4 \"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.\"\n\nRomans 12:14-16 \"Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.\"\n\nRomans 12:21 \"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.\""}, {"id": 69, "content": ">citation provided\n\nhttps://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe\n\n/thread"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nGay"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nYou forgot your trip, bodhi."}, {"id": 72, "content": "in pantheism, god is identical to reality, and reality exists, so god exists."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nno I didnt, I dont always use it, depends on the board and topic and if I may want to find it again in the archives at a future date"}, {"id": 74, "content": "Get fucked atheist"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>31\n>michael jones\nself own."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hurr durr prove that 2+2=4. It could equal 5 you heckin bigot!\nGo back, atheist"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>religion is mathematics"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\nproof of Zeus maybe"}, {"id": 79, "content": "jump off a cliff faggot"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nWho hurt you?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>11\nYou better get \"dickhead\" tattooed on your forehead, just in case there's a God who sends people without that tattoo to hell!!!\n\nThat's your logic."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\nGib proof."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love Wikipetan!"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>53\nStirner is that you?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>49\nWho you're gonna call? Spookbusters!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When and where were the last holdouts of Hellenistic paganism? I know that there were some in Harran until 1152 AD but I've also heard of others, do any one here know?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Discord, 2023"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNeo-paganism doesn't count."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Georgios Gemistos Plethon(Greek:Γεώργιος Γεμιστός Πλήθων;Latin:Georgius Gemistus Plethoc.1355/1360 – 1452/1454), commonly known asGemistos Plethon, was aGreekscholar and one of the most renownedphilosophersof thelate Byzantineera. He was a chief pioneer of the revival of Greek scholarship inWestern Europe. As revealed in his last literary work, theNomoiorBook of Laws, which he only circulated among close friends, herejected Christianityin favour of a return to the worship of theclassical Hellenic Gods, mixed with ancient wisdom based onZoroasterand theMagi."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nlmao a fucking larp pagan"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBased Greek"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've read that the Byzantines permitted a small group of Greek polytheists to practice their faith as a sort of \"house nigger\" in order to maintain a scholarly connection with the ancient practices for the sake of historical record and the transmission of the texts and lore of classical antiquity. I don't know when exactly this ended but I remember reading that it was last recorded in the 600s AD or so."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nHe is one of the men mainly responsib;e for rehaiblitating Plato during the years when Aristotleans and Scholastics controlled Roman Papacy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>lmao a fucking larp pagan\nI don't think you know what larping meaning anon."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nReverting from Christianity into a reconstructed version of paganism IS neo-pagaism\nJulian was also a LARPagan despite there being actual pagans in his time."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHarran medieval pagans were of the mesopotamian flavor, as their main diety was a ancient sumerian moon (male, so opposite of the hellenistic moon deity) god.\nRegarding proper hellenism, the Mani people in Peloponnese were reported as pagans by the Byzantines up to the times of Basil I, that finally converted them. Keep in mind tho that their rural paganism was likely extremelly different from the greco-roman Urban cults we know better."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYea he made some of the actuall pagans angry for his tradLARP autism over blood sacrifices (one day he slaughtered like 100 cows) something many actuall 4th Century pagans considered no longer acceptable thanks to morality shifts.\nBut as he was a LARPer, he kept following the pratices of what he tought was the \"correct\" old paganism"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>Reverting from Christianity into a reconstructed version of paganism IS neo-pagaism\nNo, Neo-paganism is any non-historically accurate modernist revival in the last 70 years.\nSee, you don't even know what neopaganism means.\n>Julian was also a LARPagan despite there being actual pagans in his time.\nHe clearly wasn't. But you are almost certainly a Christ-tard.\n>>12\n>Yea he made some of the actuall pagans angry for his tradLARP autism over blood sacrifices (one day he slaughtered like 100 cows) something many actuall 4th Century pagans considered no longer acceptable thanks to morality shifts.\nWow, you are historically illiterate. Literally pulling shit out of your ass. Pagans were performing human and animal sacrifices as late as 1380 AD in Northern Europe.\nThe orthodox church in Armenia still sacrifice animals to this very day.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matagh\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice\n>But as he was a LARPer, he kept following the pratices of what he tought was the \"correct\" old paganism\nYou're a historically illiterate moron anon."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>No, Neo-paganism is any non-historically accurate modernist revival in the last 70 years.\nSee, you don't even know what neopaganism means.\nOk, let's define it using a source that isn't just a faggot on 4chan.\n>Neo-Paganism, any of several spiritual movements that attempt to revive the ancient polytheistic religions of Europe and the Middle East.\nEncyclopedia Britannica, 2023. Multiple authors.\nI can do 3rd rate confidence tricks too so stick your faux authority tone up your ass.\n>He clearly wasn't.\nGiven that his contemporaries thought he was taking it too far and out of bounds, yeah he was.\n>Wow, you are historically illiterate. Literally pulling shit out of your ass. Pagans were performing human and animal sacrifices as late as 1380 AD in Northern Europe.\nNorthern Europe, core province of the roman empire and the heartland of greco-roman paganism.\n>You're a historically illiterate moron anon.\nYou are just a normal moron, anon."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nAnd Julian does still count as a neopagan given that he was\n1: Trying to restore his faith to an earlier time and thus trying to revive a version of Roman paganism that didn't exist anymore\n2: Trying to revive paganism from its spiritually dead hole.\nPlus he did the \"It wuz metaphor dood\" thing which is not very authentically pagan.\nChristians are doing this now, which indicates the spiritual decay of their faith. And soon, its death outside of Africa and in some isolated pockets of rural Latin America."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Encyclopedia Britannica, 2023. Multiple authors.\n>I can do 3rd rate confidence tricks too so stick your faux authority tone up your ass.\n\"The modern popularisation of the terms pagan and neopagan as they are currently understood is largely traced to Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, co-founder of the 1st Neo-Pagan Church of All Worlds who, beginning in 1967\"\nhttps://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=neopaganism&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3\n>>14\n>Given that his contemporaries thought he was taking it too far and out of bounds, yeah he was.\nOr you simply made that up. Either his contemporaries who said that were Christian or were transitioning from Paganism to Christianity if that is true.\n>>14\n>Northern Europe, core province of the roman empire and the heartland of greco-roman paganism.\nExactly so you are wrong. And the Orthodox church in southern Europe itself was still performing animal sacrifices at the time.\nNothing you are saying is making any sense.\n>>14\n>You are just a normal moron, anon.\nNope, just you anon.\n>>15\n>Trying to restore his faith to an earlier time and thus trying to revive a version of Roman paganism that didn't exist anymore\nWhich isn't what neopagan means.\n>>15\n>Trying to revive paganism from its spiritually dead hole.\nIsn't what neopagan means or is.\n>>15\n>Plus he did the \"It wuz metaphor dood\" thing which is not very authentically pagan.\n? don't know what your autistic meme filled brain is trying to say here.\n>>15\n>Christians are doing this now, which indicates the spiritual decay of their faith. And soon, its death outside of Africa and in some isolated pockets of rural Latin America.\nHahaaaa. Probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nWhy are Christians always so stupid and historically illiterate even when it comes to their own religion?\nBizarre really."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\n>Yea he made some of the actuall pagans angry for his tradLARP autism over blood sacrifices (one day he slaughtered like 100 cows) something many actuall 4th Century pagans considered no longer acceptable thanks to morality shifts.\nSource?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\nI'd love to see an honest neopagan. As in, crafting a new pagan religion instead of being revivalist faggots"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>I'd love to see an honest neopagan. As in, crafting a new pagan religion instead of being revivalist faggots\nNeopaganism IS literally meaning making up bullshit and then claiming legitimacy by calling it pagan. Thus the neo- prefix you fucking retard.\n\"Britannica Dictionary definition of NEO- : a new and different form of something that existed in the past\"\nHoly shit are Christ-tards insanely stupid.\nStupid beyond words in fact.\nDribbling, incoherent. No knowledge of history, no literacy, no understanding of anything what so ever. Just astoundingly stupid all the time."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nWhy are Niggers always so tongue and my anus even when it comes to their own Nigger?\nSneed really.\nChuck even."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nRecreation is making something new.\nIf there's a chair and I make another chair in the form of the old one I still make a new chair."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nJust because what you are reconstructing is old doesn't negate the fact your organization was founded in 1978."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Why are Niggers always so tongue and my anus even when it comes to their own Nigger?\nWhy do Christ-tards talk about anuses and blacks all the time?\n>>21\n>Sneed really.\n>Chuck even.\nYou're quoting weird forever online memes anon.\n>>22\n>Recreation is making something new.\nIf something is completely new it isn't recreating anything you fucking moron. You don't know what recreation even means, holy fuck.\n>>22\n>If there's a chair and I make another chair in the form of the old one I still make a new chair.\nWell NEOpagans don't do that.\nThey make a boat and call it a chair because they are both made out of wood.\n>>23\n>Just because what you are reconstructing is old doesn't negate the fact your organization was founded in 1978.\nThat isn't the point. Neopagans ARE creating\ncompletely new made up bullshit and calling it \"Pagan\". They aren't reconstructing anything.\n>>19\n>I'd love to see an honest neopagan. As in, crafting a new pagan religion instead of being revivalist faggots\nThey aren't reviving anything you fucking retard. Holy shit. And that is why they are bad.\nThey are equivalent to Mormon leader Joseph Smith creating a completely new religion and claiming it is authentic Christianity. When he simply wanted more than one wife."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>Recreation is making something new.\n>If there's a chair and I make another chair in the form of the old one I still make a new chair.\nThe neo- prefix specifically doesn't mean making something new with the form of the old. It means creating something that differs from the old but is similar in some way. Holy shit Christ-tards.\nWhy are you all so stupid. So extremely stupid and idiotic?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>Why are Niggers always so tongue and my anus even when it comes to their own Nigger?\nWell the pope has kissed the feet of multiple refugees so it isn't a stretch to imagine other Christians kissing more strange parts of random black people."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\n>I've read that the Byzantines permitted a small group of Greek polytheists to practice their faith as a sort of \"house nigger\"\nI don't think you even read anything outside of random quotes and memes on 4chan mentally ill Christ-tard anon."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>They aren't reconstructing anything.\nThey LITERALLY use the same mythologies of old. Where are the new creation myths that seek to explain the order of the cosmos like in old? Where are the mythic heroes and gods? Not a single neopagan worships a new pantheon, they just pick some old one and act like a cringe faggot trying to reject all things Christian and yet retain far more than they like.\n\n\nWhen you have the great god Zilkon, Lord of IT and he who gave man the knowledge of computers, get back to me"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nI found it, it was the Maniots, they were kept on as a sort of intellectual curiosity by the Byzantines until Basil II converted them, sorta like how the original Romans kept the Spartans around as a sort of human zoo."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>They LITERALLY use the same mythologies of old\nThey literally don't.\n> Where are the new creation myths that seek to explain the order of the cosmos like in old? Where are the mythic heroes and gods? Not a single neopagan worships a new pantheon.\nThat's why it is called neopaganism mentally ill anon. They recycle the names of different gods and make them gay and feminist. Mix up Celtic, slavic and Germanic gods with each other. Incorporate Egyptian and Hebrew Mysticism from the 19th Century. Invent New Runes that never existed. Invent ceremonies that never existed. Incorporate Modern anti-racism etc.\n> They just pick some old one and act like a cringe faggot trying to reject all things Christian and yet retain far more than they like.\nNo, they are the pagan equivalent of Later day saint Christians that make up their own bibles and claim they are Christian.\n>When you have the great god Zilkon, Lord of IT and he who gave man the knowledge of computers, get back to me.\nHow do you even remember to breath?\n>>29\n>I found it, it was the Maniots, they were kept on as a sort of intellectual curiosity by the Byzantines until Basil II converted them\nThe Maniots were a ethnic group you fucking retard. And they obviously weren't a curiosity to the Byzantines because they were converted.\n>Romans kept the Spartans around as a sort of human zoo.\nThe Spartans were around long after that incident and were still fighting with the Athenians.\nChristians are always so stupid all the time."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nget yourself a working space bar, dude"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nWhile there were pagans and the ones you call Maniots well until the 10th century they were all converted by the time of Nikon the Confessor.\n\nAlso an interesting thing to note is that Greek pagans existed until 600 a.d. where from then on, you won’t find anything about the Greek religion."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>get yourself a working space bar, dude\nLearn to say something of value rather than having autistic meltdowns over formatting."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>4\n>Zeus’ strongest warrior vs God’s weakest keyboard"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\n>>34\nChrist-tards continuing to say absolutely nothing of any value."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\nCame here to say this dude. He's the last Hellenic polytheist with an unbroken lineage going back to antiquity that we know by name. However, Ottomeme chroniclers mention converting a few holdouts along the Black Sea to Islam a few decades later, but it's not certain if they mean actual polytheists or are just dabbing on Christfags.\n\n>>32\nWe know that's not the case. There's huge amounts of devotional artwork that was made up until the Ottomans conquered Constantinople, the Church was constantly executing people for being crypto-Hellenists, and there were near constant Hellenist cults cropping up."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>We know that's not the case. There's huge amounts of devotional artwork that was made up until the Ottomans conquered Constantinople, the Church was constantly executing people for being crypto-Hellenists, and there were near constant Hellenist cults cropping up.\nInteresting, any readings for that?"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Harran were moon worshippers, not hellenic"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you been to the french royal palace?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nalmost certainly dabbing on christfags, Christians = polytheists is a very old trope in Islamic thought"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nI'm inclined to agree because these areas had already been conquered by the Ottomans. Why wait until after you conquer the meme-city to force the Zeus worshipers to convert?\n\n>>37\nLiterally all of Byzantine history. \"Crypto-pagan Platonists got found in the court of Archbasilekionisticostiocon Georgios Yabadabadoopolis\" is a running theme throughout its the 1,100~ years of history. Pick a period and start digging. The biggest name is, again Gemistus Pletho, because he's the one that had the most contact with the West. He got brought along as a scholar when the Pope was trying to mend the Schism, but that didn't work out and he ended up just giving his library to the Medicis. This is how we (Westerners) regained Plato.\n\nThis has massive impact on the Renaissance, but that's neither here nor there."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\n>He's the last Hellenic polytheist with an unbroken lineage going back to antiquity that we know by name.\nbruh he's literally a Christian apostate who started reading Homer and larping"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>larping\n>larp"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Harran\nnot Hellenistic"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>19\n>2023\n>Not worshiping the universal serpent battling storm god >Zeus/Thor/Indra/Set/Susanoo/Ba’al"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The benandanti (\"Good Walkers\") were members of an agrarian visionary tradition in the Friuli district of Northeastern Italy during the 16th and 17th centuries. The benandanti claimed to travel out of their bodies while asleep to struggle against malevolent witches (malandanti) in order to ensure good crops for the season to come. Between 1575 and 1675, in the midst of the Early Modern witch trials, a number of benandanti were accused of being heretics or witches under the Roman Inquisition\n\n>According to Early Modern records, benandanti were believed to have been born with a caul on their head, which gave them the ability to take part in nocturnal visionary traditions that occurred on specific Thursdays during the year. During these visions, it was believed that their spirits rode upon various animals into the sky and off to places in the countryside. Here they would take part in various games and other activities with other benandanti, and battle malevolent witches who threatened both their crops and their communities using sticks of sorghum. When not taking part in these visionary journeys, benandanti were also believed to have magical powers that could be used for healing"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nnobody wants to type out \"roleplaying\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nWhy bother having an opinion if you're not going to do the bare minimum effort to even look up the topic? Georgios Scholarius, who was a student of Pletho's, says that Pletho was a member of an ancient lineage tracing back to antiquity. He knew because he was invited to join, and instead cucked out to the Ottoman Sultan.\n\nScholarius is the entire reason we know 99% of the stuff we know about this guy. If it weren't for Scholarius, the only things that we'd know about Pletho are that he got shuffled around by Byzantine bureaucrats who hated him for some reason, and that he showed up in Italy talking about Zeus and gave the Medicis some books. We only know about Pletho's Nomoi (his treatise on how to reform the Byzantine Empire and withstand the Ottoman invasions) because Scholarius broke into Pletho's house, stole the book, and then burnt Pletho's house down."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nim orthodox, i do not care what some gay italian larper has to say"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nNo, you are not \"orthodox\", but Gennadius Scholarius (my referring to him as \"Georgios\" was a typo) was. In fact he was the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, and the first of such to be given this title by the Ottoman Caliph."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe spirit of Hellenic paganism never left Europe"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>4\nif you copy-paste from wikipedia, at least go through your post and insert the spaces where the line breaks used to be."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Harran\nnope, not hellenistic\n\nThe last remaints of hellenistic paganism that can trace it roots to the belief systems of ancient greece were some rural communities of shepherds in remote parts of greece during the 8th and early part of the 9th century"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>19\n>As in, crafting a new pagan religion\nit is naturally emerging, many peopel around me who calls themselves \"irreligious\" started forming belief systems around crystals, astrology, compilation of different philosophical texts from different traditions and meditation. A \"New Age\" religionemerging in future is really possible\nturns out religion will always exist, and they are realising it. Who could have thought, i guess the classical reading of history was correct and Marxist analysis of history lost again."}, {"id": 55, "content": "SOMEONE GIVE A DAMN YEAR OR CENTURY\nthe fuck, you people are as shitty as actual (((historians)))"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\ni gave a century, retard\n>>53"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>11\nI'm pretty sure those are the one I've heard of before. Thank you."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>19\nThere are plenty of Neo-pagans that openly admit that their religion isn't the same as ancient paganism and is fundamentally a new religion. John Michael Greer comes to mind and maybe even Crowley."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>39\n>Burgers worship the Statue of Liberty"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>53\nIt was certainly inspired by Hellenistic religion, they listed Hermes Trismegistus as their prophet which is a Hellenistic/Egyptian figure. There have been books written on this subject that I'd like to read but they're all prohibitively expensive."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>19\nWicca.\n\n>>55\nPletho died somewhere in between 1452 and 1454, his remains were stolen from Greece and interred in Italy by his students in 1466. Presumably his students then either went back to Greece or merged into the Neoplatonic Renaissance milieu. So, 1466AD is the last year that we can say for certain that there were people who were initiated into Classical religious cults running around Europe, and the last time that one who is named was walking the Earth was, at most, 1451 (assuming that he could have died on 01/01/1452).\n\nInterestingly, the operation to move his remains to Italy was funded by Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta, who is the only individual to have been \"canonized to hell\" by the Pope (the Pope wanted to steal Sigismondo's land)."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>>4\nI see nothing to suggest that he had a connection to classical paganism, he sounds like he was a very early Neo-pagan."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nOther than the sources on his life, no, there's nothing, but I'm not sure where you can get information on him other than the sources on him, like his already mentioned ex-student."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>48\n>Georgios Scholarius, who was a student of Pletho's, says that Pletho was a member of an ancient lineage tracing back to antiquity. He knew because he was invited to join, and instead cucked out to the Ottoman Sultan.\nYou wouldn’t have that source available right? While this sounds amazing, Plethon’s theology sounds nothing like Ancient Greek theology where. For example the fact that for Plethon Hades and Poseidon were his younger brother(if I recall correctly)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "the summation of these is pretty much \"Catholic Church bad, Voltaire=God, Muslims kinda cool guys, Jews dindonuffin.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs a general overview of all history, that’s not so bad except maybe the Jews part depending on how you view it (they are responsible for monotheism)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe CC is le bad is not only lazy, typical, it's also dishonest but I still admire Durant and the scope of his history."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">ugly face\n>0 beard to hide my ugly features\n>annoying voice\n>bad teeth and missing teeth which me look like a rapist when I smile\n\nhow do I cope?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If it's truly unsalvageable, then you must bastardmaxx. Start lifting and permabulking hard, blast steroids and become massive. Start making a conscious effort to become a piece of shit, just be a fucking annoying dickhead. Stop taking showers, shaving, or participating in any form of grooming in general. With your freakbeast physique, your overpowering stench, and your ugly attitude, women will fear you and men will avoid you, and you must embrace it. God put you on this earth to be a menace and a troublemaker, a problem for regular people to deal with. Become a bastard."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConvert to Christianity or Judaism and you can legally bed the woman your brother marries (Genesis 38:8)"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Lift weights and go to a dentist"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYou mean your brother's widow? It's weird but not criminal anywhere I'm aware of"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nGod: It's okay to make your brother a cuckold as long as he is dead first."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Ignore the virgin gymcels itt, getting huge will not get you women. Work on acquiring wealth and use that money to fix your face.\n\n>>>/biz/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">From a historical perspective of course"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThe purpose of the law is that your brother has an heir despite dying before he can produce one. Your brother is actually cucking you out of an heir from beyond the grave."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>your brother is cuckolding you by you sleeping with his wife\n\nTell me how that one wotks."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon’t breed."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nIt's not"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIf your brother is dead then it is permissible to be inside of his wife's vagina. Also that is not cuckolding to you."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThat's not cuckoldry and it's not illegal from a non christian pov\nYou have a deranged fixation and are grasping to find an issue with Christianity to validate your godlessness and sin"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nBecause the son of the brother's wife is the primary heir to your father's estate, despite your older brother dying without a son.\nYou could have 5 sons, and then whoops! your older brother who couldn't produce an heir dies and you have an obligation to make a child with his wife. That child now has greater legal rights in the event of your father's death than you or the 5 older children, and he would be called Ishmael son of (brother), not Ishmael son of (you)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nI won't probably.\nProblem is there are ugly people who look acceptible or even look kind and wholesome. I look disturbing and disgusting and sometimes I see it in people."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWe are straying far from the OP's topic. The question was how to improve himself and presumably get women. If he converted to Judaism he could just kill his brother and wed his wife BY MOSES LAW."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nCommon Dirk W."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can God create a rock that he can't lift?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Rabbi Yeshua ben Pantera cant create a fig tree that bears fruit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSo there is something that God can't do?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThere's more than one thing\nGod cannot lie\nGod cannot cause himself to cease to exist\nGod cannot create a square circle\n\nThings that violate his nature and paradoxes are impossible to God but this is no challenge to christian omnipotence"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nmakes sense, im gonna write this down."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThus says the Dick."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI feel like >>5 gave the correct answer, but I think there is still value in the question in te abstract.\n\nAn all powerful being should be able to create any size rock, and also lift any size of rock. Is the question if an all powerful being is able to not be all powerful? If an all powerful being created an incredibly heavy rock and an avatar of themselves unable that could not lift it would you consider them to have been unable to lift it?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nGod can not act in a way incompatible with his spiritual nature or being. I am not even a theist and I realize this question is just dumb."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNo, I would not since all of creation is by definition an extension of him."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo in that case the question is limited to an all powerful God that is also corporeal, or can in some meaningful way be said to lift."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nIf God created all creation and then he created a being in Creation which is an extension of himself then it can act in any way he feasibly could force it to since he made all creation."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nSimply put possessing all power does not include capacity to accomplish the absurd. The value in the question is to clarify what omnipotence really means.\n\nHere's another one for you, if God is all just why did he make the only sinless man suffer execution unjustly?\nIf God is all loving why does he damn?\nIf God is all knowing why did the fall happen, if it was not God's will?\n\nThese questions all have satisfying answers and it always comes down to not looking at a single divine attribute without reference to all the others"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nI don't think that follows, if the being is in creation he's limited at least by that fact. If the being is then unable to accomplish a physical feat it no longer becomes a paradoxical issue but a creation or nature issue"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNo, my point is that the being is limited by the fact. I am agreeing with what you said. If God created everything and he creatred a being which is an extension of himself it is still a physical being. That is like saying \"God died because Jesus died.\""}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\n>impossible to god\nThen god is not omnipotent."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nAre you saying that the inability of the avatar to accomplish the feat is not to be understood as a lack of power in the creator?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNo? The guy's question was based on the idea the creator intentionally made the avatar not able to do so. At least I took it that way"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWe get to define omnipotence when it comes to discussion of our God\n\n>>18\nI'm just not getting it sorry"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\n>So there is something that God can't do?\nOf course. He can only do what is possible."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>we get to define\nNope. Omnipotence already has definition"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\nWhy can’t God do those things? Did God not create logic?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nMaking a square a circle isn't within the scope of power. It's a logical paradox. It isn't a thing. Just a flaw in logic/linguistics."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nJesus said that with God all things are possible"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYes, anything that is possible he can do. And a square being a circle is not a thing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nholy fuck. i'm not a christcuck but even i know the answer to this one: yes, he can.\nhe creates said boulder then puts himself in a mortal body like jesus who cannot lift it. that's what they were SUPPOSED to say, but then that's when you hit them with: >>5\n\nbut then when they start up with:\n>Things that violate his nature and paradoxes are impossible to God but this is no challenge to christian omnipotence\nyou point them to their bibble which says:\nMark 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”\nso are impossible things not included within ALL things? and they can't shut up about how he exists outside of our understanding, so of course he should be able to do these things."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe real answer should be \"it doesnt matter and this question would never be relevant to anything irl so it is pointless navel gazing.\""}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>so are impossible things not included within ALL things?\nTo say all things are possible, something must actually be a thing. A square being a triangle is not a thing. It is a logical paradox. A flaw and exploitation of linguistics that is meaningless."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nHe never said \"that he can do\". The verse doesnt say, with men it is impossible, but with God some things are also impossible. It says ALL THINGS are possible."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>It says ALL THINGS are possible\nRight. And a square being a circle is not a thing. It is a linguistic exploit that is meaningless. It isn't' a thing. Only things are possible."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIf God can become both man and divine then why can't he just apply that and make a square rhat is both a square and a circle? Why cant he make a hypostatic union of a square and a circle?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>5\n>God cannot create a square circle\nGod can do/create anything , thus if he wants it he can , does that mean he have to ? and does that mean you can conceptualize it ?\n>God cannot lie\nThis does not nullify his capability of the act , it just dissociate god from imperfection taking that a lie is a form of deficiency.\n>God cannot cause himself to cease to exist\nAgain it does not render god incapable , god can end every creation if he wants , that would make \"existence\" as a creation cease null, god created existence itself ."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\nThat one is mine\n\n>>22\nBecause they're absurd or violate his nature\n\n>>26\nAll things in context is not meant to include the logically impossible\nAll does not always mean literally all\n\n>>32\nGod cannot do anything"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>All does not always mean literally all\n>context\nand tell me, what was the context of the passage i shared? they were literally talking about possible vs impossible things."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nWhy does God even have a nature? Who created the concept of having an inherent nature that limits your actions?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nThey were talking as creatures using hyperbole, but I don't need to convince you that my reading is more plausible, you need to prove mine is impossible\n\n>>35\nNature is the term we chose to use in philosophy. It's usually interchangeable with essence.\nIt was necessary to choose some kind of language based on how god revealed himself to us. How can Christ be the god-man? What does it mean for god to be \"holy\", set apart from us? The concept of essence/nature nails down this issue\nGod in scripture revealed that he cannot do something explicitly, he cannot lie. Reason tells us he cannot perform the absurd."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>I don't need to convince you that my reading is more plausible\n>you need to prove mine is impossible\nwhoa. i was using a terrible style of argument earlier, but you just redeemed me with this one, i no longer feel like an idiot.\n\n>>27\ntrue.\n\n>>28\n>A flaw and exploitation of linguistics that is meaningless.\nwe ARE talking about the bibble, y'know...\nbut you're right."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>God cannot do anything\nEvery existence has a capability ,and sense its GOD's it exceeds. thus god does what he wants .\nand everything happened/happening/will happen is what he wants ."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe idea of a rock that is too heavy for God to lift is as self-contradictory as the idea of a round square."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nSo god is limited by logic?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>Nature is the term we chose to use in philosophy.\nYou haven't read any actual philosophy in your entire life, you slack-jawed yokel."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nIt is not a question of God's power being limited by something. It is rather that there is and could be no such thing as the capacity to actualize round squares in the first place, because the very idea is self-contradictory.\n\nEven if we assume that God can indeed cause self-contradictory events or things, the paradox of the rock would not refute the omnipotence claim. For if God can cause self-contradictory things or events, then he can not only make a stone that is too heavy for him to lift, but he can also go on to lift a stone that is too heavy for him to lift."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nso god is illogical"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe would then need to limit him self. Which would mean he is not a God anymore. But that does not remove his abillity to unlimit him self.\nThis question is actually > Can God make him self Ungodly."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nIt could be yes. But logic exists only in mind of humans. So God not being limited by logic just goes in favor of atory that he is allpowerfull"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nWhat do you exactly mean by logical ?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nIt would be illogical for me to fly under my own power because that's not in the essence of the kind of being that I am. However, disregarding such self-contradictions, I'm actually omnipotent because I'm capable of doing everything I'm capable of doing."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nEdit: You need to understand that this idea of God and Gods are created in such a framework that you cant aproach it with reasson and logic. Thats why its called religion and nit science. It is a belife which is not limited by anything. Every contra argument which is limited will be destroyed by another argument which is not limited because of such idea. Iow. You cant destroy fairy tail for it works on ideas that are outside our limitations"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course, he just has to choose to stop being omnipotent first.\n\n>>5\n>>9\n>>20\nThis is a copout, responding to a \"what if\" question with \"it'll never happen so ha ha\". There is no reason for God to necessarily be subject to the rules of logic that he himself created. At most it only seems that way when viewed through the lens of mortal, subjective consciousness."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>There is no reason for God to necessarily be subject to the rules of logic that he himself created.\nChristians like to claim that logic, morality and other such things are actually a part of god's essence though."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nI have never heard in five years of philosophy study that anyone claimed logic is part of God. Only morality."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\nlogically, a rock that cannot be lifted cannot be lifted."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>43\nWhat makes you reach that conclusion? Explain.."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nYeah and Pastafarians claim that God's essence goes well with garlic bread. Who cares what some other faggots think? I'm just here to answer the question."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nBut dont you see it is futile to understand something that is not based on logic and reasson?\nYou just simlly cant. You are hiting a nail with a head into the wall"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes if he wants himself to stop being omnipotent"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nDuh, nobody but God can fully understand God. Need me to explain the difference between crayons and tater tots too?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>47\nWhat?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nExplain me why you spend time doing such a thing then."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nBecause I don't, holy fuck where are you getting this?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nGod is omnipotent despite the fact that he can't lie because lying would be contradictory with his essence and omnipotence doesn't necessitate actualizing contradictions.\nThings like flying under my own power, generating laser beams with my eyes, morphing into animals or creating planets from nothing are contradictory with my essence, therefore the fact that I can't do them doesn't infringe on my omnipotence."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nFrom my asumptiom that you are the guy arguing others over it.\nIn which case i owe you an apology mr pooh"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>52\nSo it is a cumulative sorting of truths that will break if one contradicts by forcing conditioned combinations .\nhowever within the logic , which one gets defined first ? god or the rock ?\nputting a rock that can not be lifted + god into one sentence forces logic to come up with a solution or it will admits it impotence .\ntakes us to your question than needs to be breaked .\n>god is defined to be able to do everything\n>Can God create X ?\nyes\n>a rock is created\n>condition created for the rock to be lifted by god.\n>god exceeds everything .the rock that got defined now by that condition exceeded god in this attribute.\ntwo solutions\nshould we redefine god ?\nno, the definition is accurate .\nor the rock ?\nof course the rock because a rock that cannot be lifted is not a rock it never happened thus it got no name , it is something else , and in this case it is an exploitation of your imagination. your rock doesn't exist ,logically what you called rock is something else entirely ."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nSo...god cannot create a rock that cannot be lifted?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nWhat's your point? That because I'm talking about my own understanding of God then my understanding of God must be correct and all-encompassing? In that case, as your God I command you to make me a ham sandwich. Use sourdough bread and don't forget the mayonnaise."}, {"id": 66, "content": "He can both create a rock that He can't lift and lift a rock that He can't lift. This is no more contradictory than Christ being fully man and fully God.\n\nChrist, being fully God, can create a rock that He, being fully human and thus limited by human constraints, cannot lift. And He can then, being fully God and thus omnipotent, lift that rock.\n\nHow He is able to do this is beyond our understanding. It impossible for us to understand our Creator fully. How he does these things and reconciles these paradoxes is outside the temporal realm and we can only chalk it up to divine mystery."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nIt is not a rock if it can't be lifted."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf God is the perfect manifestation of all that is good, then God can't do evil."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nNo i did not asume that.\nAlso sure, you have to come for it tho. I am limited by space and time. Give me a slack."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nSo are you pretending to be retarded for giggles or what?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nAren't we all?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nFor what."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeaningless semantics. Infinitely heavy rocks don't exist, and god cannot be a natural phenomenon, so he wouldn't even be able to lift an infinitely light rock"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>67\ngod isn't omnipotent, since god cannot create a rock that can't be lifted."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is not bound by logic. He could create an objectively unliftable rock and then lift it. All of reality comes from God, it is all subsidiary. He is not constrained by anything."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\n>a rock that can't be lifted.\nIt's not a rock anon ,one of the rocks attributes is mobility. whatever that may be it's no rock and in this case it a creation of your imagination and if you can't lift even in that irrigated ,segregated from reality and randomized realm above your shoulders i don't think you can conceptualize what I'm trying to say.\nfurther more sense every rock is movable god is omnipotent."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\ncan god create an object equivalent to a rock except it can't be lifted?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntest"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nYours is low."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\ncan god create an object ?\nyes , any object sense he can create anything.\nequal to a rock in all attributes except mobility?\nsense mobility can only occur within the time and space parameter that object does not exist , yet knowing god's capacity , and if something as such had a reason to be created it would be out of these parameters , make us unable to conceptualize it , or even call it \"lifting\" knowing that motion would be unmeasurable .\nbut yes god can , simply because god is not bound to these parameters due to the fact that god created time and space ."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nEven the dimensions of that object would seem unmeasurable by 3d creatures like us.\nby my language uptake , we cant even call it object by that point . it can be created sure but it won't be material ."}, {"id": 82, "content": "mental that people cant answer this simple question"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nIts not an object for sure , thus lifting/motion doesn't apply to it , renders all the claim wrong really , the full sentence breaks ."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>unknown\nI had NDE, but i am agnostic. I understand and respect others interpretations of experiance but i do not wish to claim any of my own. Ill see what i have to see when i die"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nEdit:\nThank you for sharing info tho, love you friend"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes and no, it's Schrödinger's rock. If God decides he can't lift the rock then he can't lift it, but as soon as he decides he can lift it then he can lift it."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>make this stuff, if you make it you are not omnipotent but if you don't make it you also are not omnipotent\nIt's a logical trap, you're are a fool if you think you can trick God.\nHe created language, logic and the human mind, it's like trying to hand a fake $100 bill to someone who can print money"}, {"id": 88, "content": "If an omnipotent being should be - according to you - above the concept of logic itself, then why are you trying to use logic to disprove said being?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>82\nNo.\nThe object is matter , making it lose mobility obtrudes it from matter, because it loses its material property , losing mobility makes it impossible to even think of \"lifting\" it sense every matter/particle have to be mobile.\nthe concept of lifting/mobilizing something out of the parameter of time and space becomes zero there is no such thing.\nmakes the full sentence fall down to be meaningless.\nto sum it up its just.\n>GOD CAN'T create muh X .(X can also defined with a condition but i took it helically).\nwhile when you break down the X you just find it an actual zero making it correct .\nX is always a zero in that sentence. whatever you may put there it will just end up being a pseudo-incapacitation attempt that can be dunked most probably to two possible routs :\na linguistic approach or basic physics ."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>2\nFuck off, Dirk."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>80\nCan god lift an object that can't be lifted?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe rules of logic are part of gods creation and thus subordinate to him, not the other way around. Atheists will cope and seethe about this."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nDoes god conform to logic or is god illogical?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nBy the standards of logic as we know it, god can do things that seem illogocal to us, as he is beyond those rules. Everything that exists is a creation of God, including the rules of logic, meaning god doesn't abide by them, as he, as their creator is simply above them, as hard as this is for a human to understand. The same thing applies to time and space btw which is how god is infinite and has always existed.\n\nGod is the source of all existence itself."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe created your Mom, OP, so yeah."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>5\n>God cannot lie\nGod lying is a necessary component of Christian theology though. All those revelations to Moses that turned out to be false, like the Mosiatic covenant being able to save your soul, or that it would endure forever. You would know this if you ever actually read the bible."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>5\n>God cannot cause himself to cease to exist\nSignificantly, the sophist paradoxes atheists try to level at Christians as gotchas, thinking that Zeno has anything to say to the real world, never include this one, because the very utterance of it debunks their entire premise with its stupidity.\nThere is no qualitative difference between asking\n>\"Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?\"\nand\n>\"If God's so powerful, why can't He make Himself not exist? Checkmate Christcucks\"\nit's purely a matter of presentation: the former tricks the otherwise rational human being into accepting a nonsensical absurdity because it's masked as a classical philosophical quandary (take for instance the \"tree falling in the forest\" koan that convinces people to abandon reason and turn into argumentative morons) and is thus practical for those who wish to weaken the faith of other people, whereas the other puts its bald-faced irrational idiocy on full display, and can only be laughed at for the meaningless gibberish that it is."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes but it would still lift it and not lift it, remaining omnipotent"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeight means nothing to God so it's a silly question. He could just manipulate gravity to make any object virtually weightless provided he wanted to take a physical form, anyways."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe question is faulty at first. It's like asking can a rock swim to jupiter"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnybody attempting to answer this question sincerely has already fallen into a logic trap that negates rational thought.\nIf God, the prime mover, the uncaused cause, the creator of all things, has created something (anything, a rock, an atom, a neutron star, it doesn't matter), the creation/creature is necessarily inferior to and subordinate to the Creator. It is ontologically impossible and nonsensical for God to create something He cannot subdue to His will; if He were to do so, then that creation would be greater than God Himself, indeed, be a God, but it is again a causative impossibility for a created entity to be God, since God must be uncreated. To put it another way, the question is better phrased as \"Can God create Himself?\" which is of course a ridiculous premise, you may as well start quoting Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky at that point, for all the sense you'll make.\nThese gay little circular paradoxes are always trying to put the cart before the horse and expressly distract the reader from the real issue."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Can God do things that God can't do?\nNo. This is just the brainlet filter for Christians. Do not fall for such easy bait bros."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>5\n>Things that violate his nature and paradoxes are impossible\nWhat is it that prevents god from being able to change his own nature or the laws of logic? What binds hims him to these conditions?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n>God can't stop being God, therefore he's not all-powerful\natheoid logic"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">God can create a rock he can't lift\n>then lift it"}, {"id": 106, "content": "God both simultaneously lifts and does not lift the rock at the same time, as two different aspects of God both fail and succeed in lifting the rock.\n\nGod is a fucking INFINITE being bound by NO PHYSICAL BODY who, assuming we're going off of the Biblical definition here, created physics himself from OUTSIDE OF PHYSICS. There is no reason to apply any kind of limitation on what God can or can't do, as he is capable of absolutely everything and absolutely nothing at once. He's beyond the confines of the universe, beyond the confines of physics, beyond the confines of any possible limitation you attempt to put on him. To constrain an infinite being in any way is an absurdity, and this includes constraining him to binary yes or no answers."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>16\n>Omnipotence is when you commit logical fallacies."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nthis line of reasoning makes sense from an observer's standpoint when you consider that the very concepts of rational thought and knowledge are a product of God, and the rejection of God compasses the embrace of insanity and illogic"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>2\n>>5\n>>13\n>assuming God is limited to the laws of physics rather than His conceptual absolute freedom modifying the laws of physics as He accomplish something (God makes a rock he can't move and lifts it, simultaneously)\nprotties be like : \"God isn't actually a god desu\""}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\n>god is made up of parts\n>god cannot lift the rock without separating itself into parts (limited potency)"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nWho said anything about parts? God's made up of God, not parts."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>19\n>We get to define omnipotence when it comes to discussion of our God\nNo you don't.\nThat's like saying\n>I get to define genocide when it comes to discussion of my political ideology\nwhich is clearly ridiculous"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>5\n>God cannot lie\nHe admits doing so in the Bible.\n\n>God cannot cause himself to cease to exist\nYes since he never existed to begin with.\n\n>God cannot create a square circle\nI can.\n\nChristian theology BTFO once again."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>I can\nPost pic"}, {"id": 115, "content": "let me tell you what your religion believes"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_norm"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>104\n>god can do anything except all the things he can't do\nWhat's stopping him from doing them? This is the problem with any definition of omnipotence besides the \"anything goes\" version. Every single one inevitable ends up contraindicating a single ultimate authority of the universe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anzac Day is now Aztec Day"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do atheists deny God when God is proven in the love you see everyday? If God were not real then why is the world so wonderful and joyous?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is not, I and my friends make it so. It can easily be made otherwise."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere is the connection between \"world is pretty :)\" and god's existence?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Ishtar worshipper"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThis but unironcially\n\nhttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_beauty"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would Central Africa look like if France never removed him?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were the Aztecs ALWAYS a 'murder cult,' or did they evolve into one over time? What were the proto-Aztecan tribes like in terms of their ethical/moral systems? Why didn't concepts such as human rights or even basic mercy seem to develop in pre-Colombian Mexico? Whose fault was this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think a general tendency for sacrifice/ritualistic murder was common to all Amerindians, there are mass graves of violence victims in religious sites in Cahokia as well, Incas also practiced sacrifices and Brazilian natives were(are?) cannibals apparently. Seems like a pretty interesting race all around."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Were the Aztecs ALWAYS a 'murder cult,' or did they evolve into one over time? [SIC]\n\nALL AZTEC PEOPLES PERFORMED RITUAL HUMAN SACRIFICES, BUT THE MEXICA, IN PARTICULAR, WERE ESPECIALLY CRUEL, AND PROFICIENT AT IT.\n\n\n>What were the proto-Aztecan tribes like in terms of their ethical/moral systems? [SIC]\n\n«PROTOAZTECAN TRIBES»?\n\n\n>Why didn't concepts such as human rights or even basic mercy seem to develop in pre-Colombian Mexico? [SIC]\n\nBECAUSE THEY WORSHIPED DEMONS, AND THEIR POLITICAL & SOCIETAL RULES, AND NORMS, WERE FOUNDED ON THEIR DEMONISTIC CULT; A CHANGE IN THEIR MORALS WOULD HAVE NECESSARILY ENTAILED A CESSATION OF THEIR DEMONISTIC CULT, AND THIS COULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED WITHOUT EXTRANEOUS ACTION OR INFLUENCE, AS IT EVENTUALLY DID.\n\n\n>Whose fault was this? [SIC]\n\nSATAN'S."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Human sacrifice was common all over the world until G*d came down from Heaven and said \"Noo, stop it!\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe smallpox crap is fake.\nHis is a retard board and this will receive 300 replies"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1. Human sacrifice was an already very well established institution in the Valley of Mexico long before the first \"Aztec\" started migrating in. Though granted, it generally wasn't on the massive scale the Mexica specifically became known for.\n\n2. If by \"proto-Aztecan\" you mean the Aztecs before they migrated into the Valley of Mexico (they were originally from Northern Mexico/Southwest United States or thereabouts and only migrated south into the Valley of Mexico at around the 11th century at the earliest; they're a far more recent phenomenon than a lot of people realize), then we don't have too much to go on. By their own admission they were \"Chichimecs\" which is essentially their word for barbarians. And this has a somewhat specific meaning, to wit: a). they wore animal hides instead of plant fiber based clothing for their primary garments b). they were nomadic/semi-nomadic and did not live in settled cities and c). they were largely hunter-gatherers who did not produce most of their food from farming and in particular did not produce maize as their staple cereal crop.\n\nBeyond that, they apparently had \"kings\" (glorified chieftains really) instead of proper Tlatoani (who had Toltec royal blood in their veins; being able to trace your lineage back to the royal family of the Toltec Empire was a prerequisite to becoming a Tlatoani).\n\nAs for their religion. We know they worshiped the god Huitzilopotchli (he was essentially the \"ethnic\" god of the Mexica) and they probably performed human sacrifices in his name, but good luck getting a number or any other details. We also know that the Aztecs spoke Nahuatl back then, in fact they basically forced the people who had been living their to adopt their language when they started migrating in and taking over."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nHuman sacrifice is hardly any different to burning heretics at the sake en masse in public."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nHe didn't even mention smallpox"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>and they probably performed human sacrifices in his name\n>probably\n…"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nProbably in his name, of course they did sacrifices"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI meant in their \"proto-Aztec\" phase when they were just hunter-gathers screwing around in the desert and later migrating south. Obviously they performed a shit ton of sacrifices in Huitzilopochtli's name after establishing themselves in the area, building Tenochtitlan, and forging their hegemony over the region."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThey sacrificed to him from the beginning."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWe don't actually know all that much about the pre-migration Mexica, or Aztecs in general. So we can't say for certain. Too shrouded in myth and the political needs of later generations. But it is more likely than not. Thus, \"probably.\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIt's fact. I'm telling you, not speculating."}, {"id": 15, "content": "I'll try to reply in more depth tomorrow, but just real quick\n\n>Why didn't concepts such as human rights or even basic mercy seem to develop in pre-Colombian Mexico\n\nNative sources lament how Conquistadors would butcher whole towns and rape women, and decry them doing that instead of merely capturing towns and cities and sacrificing enemy warriors but largely leaving women, children, etc alone; and how the Spanish would mistreat their slaves whereas Aztec slaves had actual rights, including processes for how to become free.\n\nYou can rules and norms around what's considered humane or merciful while still doing other things involving violence or killing that's seen as just within that system. Look at how in Europe or Japan you had moral codes but then also massive razes, sacks, inquistiopns, holy wars, or shit like samurai headhunting."}, {"id": 16, "content": "There's no scientific way of proving these skulls were sacrificial victims. You would need to find the remaining skeleton and do forensic research. You cant look at some skulls and deduct they were sacrificed.\n\nThe tzompantlis were probably secondary burial sites (ie cemetaries)."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn my superficial readings, they were structurally identical to their neighbors. There was no single culture shock that made them psychos, it was just scale and need constantly increasing until they were killing thousands."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n\nMore examples of european tzompantlis (aka skull racks)"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\nBased.\n\n>>7\nThat's very incorrect. Obviously any religious person would see a massive difference, but even atheists can appreciate how they aren't the same at all. They have different motivations, goals, and methods. The only thing they share in common is that they were somehow related to religion and someone died horribly. I honestly can't think of anything else."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>That's very incorrect. Obviously any religious person would see a massive difference, but even atheists can appreciate how they aren't the same at all. They have different motivations, goals, and methods. The only thing they share in common is that they were somehow related to religion and someone died horribly. I honestly can't think of anything else.\n\n\nTrue but its also true christians see mesoamerican sacrifice in their own way as a \"demonic\" thing when mesoamericans themselves believed it was an honorable thing to be sacrificed.\n\nYou can actually see how this perception changed by looking at the sacrifice depiction in codexes. Sacrifice in prehispanic codexes isnt depicted as bloody - gory thing, it was only painted that way when the mesoamericans got christianized"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nIt´s a public execution. You can dress it up any way you like and justify it for whatever reason. One is watching people scream in agony and horror as their skin and flesh burns and melts off their bones before their eyes. The other is watching people scream in agony and horror as their hearts are torn out and thrown down a pyramid. I´m guessing you unironically think the former is more justified because your gay Jew book told you so no?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>It´s a public execution\n\nI think thats a good appreciation. In the end it was state terror justified by religion. States have always been brutal killing machines.\n\nHowever, I believe that mesoamerican state terrorism is particulary brought into current times due to brutal neoliberal proxy war that is being waged in Mexico right now, where we have seen paramilitaristic groups perform gruesome acts of counter insurgency executions to terrorize whole communities and dominante society\n\nPropagandizing mesoamerican state terror is benefitial to the benefitiaries of this war, as it induces some kind of genetic determinism, as if mexicans are brutal by genetic predisposition, and not because there an actual extermisionist war being waged on us\n\nYes, its not a coincidence the whole humans sacrifice thing has been magnified and ideologized ever since the \"war on drugs\" was started"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nNo part of the Mesoamerican practice of human sacrifice can be construed as execution. Punishment and justice had nothing to do with it even when the victims were criminals and prisoners of war. They had a goal which required people to be killed, so they killed people. It doesn't go farther than that.\nThe Christian European practice of burning people at the stake was done solely for penal purposes, in accordance with the punishments prescribed for infractions against the comprehensive law that everyone was subject to. There was no perceived religious benefit to these executions, and they had as much to do with secular law enforcement as any religious concern.\nIt is disingenuous to equate these two things, they aren't the same."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIt's the exact same if you're being punished for fictitious crimes like heresy or blasphemy"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\ngod I wish we kept doing those. Why did we stop?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\n>There's no scientific way of proving these skulls were sacrificial victims\nyes you can"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>There was no perceived religious benefit to these executions\nSource: my opinion."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>16\nhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-jan-23-adfg-sacrifice23-story.html"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nBut the sacrificed people weren't being punished, that's my point.\n\n>>27\nThat's an objective fact. At best, you can say that the communities conducting the executions believed that they were giving the executed person the opportunity to repent and suffer for their sins in life so that they wouldn't be cast into Hell after they die. But that has no benefit to anyone but the criminal, and the execution would obviously still be conducted if they refused to repent. There isn't any theological transaction or product which is sought after by the executioners, at its base was the simple enforcement of law. Law is exactly what Mesoamerican sacrifice had nothing to do with."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\nyeah, like both weren't motivated by some variant of \"gawd will punish us if we don't kill these people in horrible ways, so better them than us\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I long to see Dirk’s sweet body."}, {"id": 2, "content": "fag"}, {"id": 3, "content": "based"}, {"id": 4, "content": "chad"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I bet dirk is really tall and lean and with medium-length wavy hair that falls in front of his face and with cute glasses. I imagine he wears little turtlenecks and sits in front of the fire reading his copy of Institutes in one hand and a glass of brandy in the other. I imagine he sits alone in church because he’s shy around girl even tho he’s super handsome and smart. I wonder what his interests are besides theology and religion. I bet he reads deep novels and goes for morning walks in the mist contemplating life."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI think he might be a Capricorn."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey like to act like they're immune, but just keep the pressure on. he'll run away just like all the others."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBut we love him, we want him to stay."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOH sorry, walter. enjoy the luls while you can, the christcucks can't take it for very long. we ran out of them on /x/, but there's still a few lingering."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">OH sorry, walter. enjoy the luls while you can, the christcucks can't take it for very long. we ran out of them on /x/, but there's still a few lingering."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were encircled Soviet troops really put through inspection camps if they got back to Soviet lines?\nWas the same done to partisans?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do the English refuse to embrace their great king, Guillaume le Conquérant?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty sure Charles still uses William as part of his line of royal inheritance or right to be King. Even though Windsor direct line doesn't lead to William, there still is ancestral connection."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Windsor direct line doesn't lead to William\nmatrilinear it does."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Even though Windsor direct line doesn't lead to William\nYou underestimate just how badly European royal families intermarried and became inbred over the last thousand years."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe's literally regarded as the first king of England by everyone here"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Who was Alfred the Great.jpg"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nno one is regarding alfred as the first king of england"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nretard"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Is there any practical reason to not dutchify basically all french noble names? They are all franks anyway\n>Williem de veroveraar"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Willem de Bastaard\nFTFY"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nEs ist vorbei"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n*Het is voorbij"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWat zou een Duitser daarvan weten?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nshow me a single source that recognises him as the first King of England.\n\n>inb4 never replies because he realised how dumb he was"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>franks were... LE DUTCH\nwhen will this stupid meme end"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHonestly it’s essentially the modern descendant of what salians were speaking…."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\njust as basically every other dialect that is spoken in german-speaking countries."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>be frank\n>be born in the low countries.\n>kickstart the Dutch west rhine company\n>colonize Galli\n>establish personal law making officers of the VWC have different legal rights and obligations as the peasantry (apartheid state)\n>Speak Old dutch (frankish is literally not a real lenguage. Attestations of batavii and other Salian groups are simply a old dialect of dutch)\n>Be like: My name is Radagan son of Geoffrey and Cletilde\n\nBut uh... THEY ARE NOT DUTCH BECAUSE... UH..."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n...because dutch identity doesnt existed until the 14th century. before that, people in the lowlands were simply another kind of germans like saxons or swabians.\nbesides, the center of frankish origin and ethnogenesis isnt exclusively in todays netherlands, its across the rhine, whos majority lies in todays germany."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nAre you not aware of the low and high division between continental germanic languages? Or are you under the impression that the late dark age Frankish state included what is modern germany and therefor they are linguistic descendants?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nNot really; Franks in origin were barely an ethnicity they were a polity composed of people that lived very specifically in a small part of what are today the Low Countries. You’re just wrong bro…"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nNo it doesnt. The Ethnogenesis of the franks was in Flanders and The netherlands. You are also probably mixxing Salian franks with Franks in general. The german franks are of the other type. Salian ones were 100% Dvtch.\nAlso how can Dutch identity be an invention when the low countries were a individual series of Duchies and counties for most of their history? Even by the time of Willem it was noted that he, as a proud dutchman, just married a Netherlandish noblewoman and half of his army was indeed flemish"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Frankish state included what is modern germany and therefor they are linguistic descendants?\nthats exactly what i was saying.\n\n>>21\nall the proto-frankish tribes hailed from east of the rhine, were settled in the approximately area of todays lowlands by the romans as foederati, and went on to settle the area around the rhine, particularly around cologne and triers. one could argue that the concluding ethnogenesis only happened after Chlodio conquered the Ripuarians around cologne, since thats the first time all the franks were united under a single ruler, and at this time, the center of frankish settlement moved significantly southwards.\nclaiming them as dutch because they settled this area (among others) is just cherry picking."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nyeah you seem to be an expert on this topic since you dont even know the name of \"the other type\" of franks.\n\n>Also how can Dutch identity be an invention when the low countries were a individual series of Duchies and counties for most of their history?\njust as any other german tribe at that time. you are stating absolutely nothing of substance with your post."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nEven shitipedia acknowledges him as such, you retard\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_monarchs\n>inb4 HURRRRRRRR, BUT ACKTCHUALILY, THE TITLE WAS CALLED \"KING OF THE ANGLO-SAXONS\" AND...\nMere semantics, no change of essence. Fuck off."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nAh Saxons came from east of the Rhine too; guess English is the language of the Franks. Don’t be obtuse. The tribes that made up the core of the Franks are identifiable as a people distinct pretty early in the history of “muh germanic europe” from those Langobard, Suebian, Aleman languages. You know you got that whole classification thing and maybe it is cherry picking but if there are established distinctions that exist in more than one theory why does it bug you so much that Dutch is generally (and correctly I might add) seen as a sort of Frankish successor language. It seems as if this matters to you more than it should."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nI know perfectly their name. Is not like i dont have google anon. I'm just guessing its you the one who is messing them so i assume you dont know their names yourself.\nRegardless. Not only salian franks were attested to speak specifically old dutch, already linguistically distinct from old low let alone high german, that formed arround the Elbe river, their ethnogenesis is also noted to have happened in the low countries. And their origin is in the low countries before starting moving and conquering lands, including the VWC (gallia)"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nGermanic languages on the continent are not as neatly divided into groups since they existed in such close proximity, often spoken by subjects of the same rulers as one another and we can’t say with certainly that one language descends from this earlier one, high German dialects are audibly and visibly different from low German ones, but you’re right certainly that high German language would have elements that are given to them by the language spoken by the franks who were the prestige group in that part of Europe, and their language to begin with at that time of their prestige was definitely mutually intelligible with those spoken in higher Germany. With such complexity in these minute divisions it’s better to make it simple and say Dutch = Frankish instead of spending an hour arguing semantics and arriving at largely the same fucking conclusion. You feel me?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>Mere semantics, no change of essence\nand thats where you are wrong, kiddo. why do you think people make semantic differences? because they want to describe different things. thats why one is called King of England, because he actually was the ruler of a region called England, and one is called King of the Anglo-Saxons, because he claimed to be the king over a people called the Anglo-Saxons.\nread a few things about their lives and you will understand the difference."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>Ah Saxons came from east of the Rhine too; guess English is the language of the Franks.\nsaxons werent proto-franks so i dont see your point.\n\n>Dutch is generally (and correctly I might add) seen as a sort of Frankish successor language.\nnever denied this. i dispute the claim that \"frankish people = dutch people\" because its historically unsustainable.\n\n>their origin is in the low countries before starting moving and conquering lands\nit isnt. there were tribal groups known as franks as early as 260, yet they were moved to Germania Inferior/Toxandria in 288/292\n\n>in these minute divisions it’s better to make it simple and say Dutch = Frankish instead of spending an hour arguing semantics and arriving at largely the same fucking conclusion. You feel me?\nno, why not just say frankish = frankish? why do you need to equate it with something modern? its perfectly fine and comprehensible to just mention one evolved from the other, but isnt the same."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">french (galli) pp when larping as norman and frankish\nI sleep\n>french pp when franks are called dutch\nREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">Et tels i a qui aferment et dient qu'il vindrent premerainement d'une isle qui Scanzia est apelee, dont li Got issirent, quar en cele isle a une terre qui iest encore France apelee. Et si mostrent cil qui ce dient tel raison encore que celle terre est auques voisine au regne qui fu au roi Latin qui fu pere a la royne Laivine que Eneas ot a feme. Et Eneas noma les Latins fransois por ce qu'il pres li estoient et ensaíe"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nThis nigga is posting british israelism tier fanfics kek"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIt probably seemed like a smart move in his head to quote mythological figures"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>>34\n>quoting mediaeval manuscripts in French doesn't count\nhahahahahahahahaha btfo nigger"}, {"id": 36, "content": "E des Normans vos iert retrait\nE lor conqueste e lor fait,\nComent destruirent Germanie,\nCouloigne e France la guarnie,\nAngou, Poitou, Borgoigne tote;\nDe ce ne rest il nule doute\nQue Flandres, Waucres n'envaïscent\nE mout de maus ne lor feïssent"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Frankish was Proto-West Germanic and evolved into Old Dutch and Old High German simultaneously(the latter including other tribes as well, all were PWG before the High German consonant shift). The majority of ethnic Franks live in Germany, but southern Holland is Frankish as well. The \"Frankish dialects\" are not an actual linguistic group, extending beyond the clade borders, but an ethnographic."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nYes anon and brutus was real lmao"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n>quoting medieval texts talking the son of the god of the forest counts\nGood archeological record frfr, finna got that poseidon saxons"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>no answer\n>copes and seethes instead\nhahahaha many such cases"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nHigh german has nothing to do with frankish. High german is descended from proto-elbe river germanic. While frankish is from the Weser-Rhine germanic branches"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nNo, these are not real linguistic classifications, they're accents of PWG at best. Like a third of Germany speaks Fränkisch, which is descended from \"Old Frankish\", which is not an actual language."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>Latinus (Latin: Latinus; Ancient Greek: Λατῖνος, Latînos, or Λατεῖνος, Lateînos) was a figure in both Greek and Roman mythology\n>mythology\nReal pypo fr fr"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">In later Roman mythology (notably Virgil's Aeneid), Latinus, or Lavinius, was a king of the Latins. He is sometimes described as the son of Faunus and Marica, and father of Lavinia with his wife, Amata.\n>In ancient Roman religion and myth, Faunus [ˈfau̯nʊs] was the rustic god of the forest, plains and fields; when he made cattle fertile he was called Inuus. He came to be equated in literature with the Greek god Pan, after which Romans depicted him as a horned god.\n\nFrnch pypo be like: this guy with horns that makes plants grow is absolutely real\n\nim not coping at all"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>6\nAlfred was king of the West Saxons and king of the Angles (two separate titles), not king of the English.\n>Edward's son Æthelstan became the first king to rule the whole of England when he conquered Northumbria in 927, and he is regarded by some modern historians as the first true king of England.[3][4] The title \"King of the English\" or Rex Anglorum in Latin, was first used to describe Æthelstan in one of his charters in 928."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nDumb nigger high german is the literal opposite side of the spectrum from frankish. Which is by necessity low germanic."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>>44\nHe probably really thought posting a mythological fanfic was a great comeback. Dont be so harsh on him bros"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nThese categories did not exist at the time; all continental West Germanic speakers were fully mutually intelligible. Most of the eastern Franks would undergo the High German consonant shift later, making them become part of OHG, wheras the ones in the Netherlands did not and became \"Old Dutch\" instead."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nHigh german is the most divergent west germanic branch from frankish. You are making shit"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nOld high german is a shifted dialect of saxon. It has nothing to do with old dutch"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nThere is no \"Frankish\". Many dialects in Germany are named Fränkisch, which is not a linguistic family, but simply named after the Franks inhabiting the areas. Fränkisch dialects extend from Upper German, Central German to \"Dutch\".\n>>50\nThese languages did not exist and were completely mutually intelligible prior to the High German consonant shift, which did not break intelligiblity anyway."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nStop making shit up hans. Saxon and old dutch were not the same language"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThey were very slightly distinct, although I doubt even their speakers cared for this at the time, but the High German consonant shift only began in the 8th century before which none of these languages were meaningfully distinguishable. There was simply a Common West Germanic, or PWG, which the Frankish of most historic Franks was identical to. This is how the Franks could seamlessly evolve into different WG clades."}, {"id": 54, "content": "At this point, i'm amazed that no one points the fact that the Frankish coalition was made of celtic tribes like the Usipetes or the Sicambres."}, {"id": 55, "content": "They cope a lot even considering modern english is 50% french"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nbecause they werent celts you stupid larper"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nThe franks that conquered france were descended from merovech tribe. Who arrived like a century or two after the group of franks that settled belgica. You are mixing groups.\nNot to mention they were attested to be germanics lol"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nFor some reason people keeps mostaking clovis/chlodio/merovech franks, who are later arrivals, with the other franks that arrived earlier."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nit's not cope, it's confusion\nhow can english be 50% french when so-called \"french\" language has a smaller vocabulary and is only 15% french itself?\n\nyou do les mathématiques, as they say :)"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>\"French is not french\"\nsupercopium"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>no answer\nhahahahahahaha"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>unknown\nModern French people actually Celts who speak an Italic language who were ruled over by Germanic royal dynasties for hundreds of years."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\n>is only 15% french itself\nThe French language is 86.53% Latin.\nhttps://french.stackexchange.com/questions/21737/proportion-of-greek-and-latin-influences"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>6\nHe was king of Wessex. The first king of a united England was Egbert."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\n>Italic language\nactually gaulish and latin shared lot of similarities. They belong to the Italo-Celtic group.\nFor exemple latin rex and celtic rix means 'king', like in the Frankish Sicambre royal names : Baetorix and Deudorix.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Celtic\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicambri"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>4\nNo I don't, I actually read things that show the genealogy so I don't come here like OP with zero clue that William I is still relevant"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>unknown\nGermans are Scythians according to Romans and Greeks, so what's your point?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe wasnt a great king, he got lucky, a break in bad weather allowed him to cross late in the campaigning season and with the english army mostly disbanded and in the north having crushed viking invasion, the saxons forced marched summoning the levies as it ent and met the normans at hasting in a significantly understrength and fatigued state, they still managed to hold the normans off all day and but for a feigned retreat finally persuading them to break ranks and persue they would have been victors despite the disadvantages they had going into the fight.\n\ngetting lucky does not a great king make"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo one in England cares much. He's just some bloke from history"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>he wasn't a great king\nWho the fuck says this? Do they teach this in University?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>63\n>The French language is 86.53% Latin\nSo it's a maximum of 13.47% French then? That's even worse lmao"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>6\nNever king of England. But that whole institution was wiped out and replaced by William. None of the saxon kings matter."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>14\nHorrible Histories' jingle about the English monarchs starts with William the Conqueror, there's your source."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">As longh as the fuhrer still decides. >>unknown (Me) Frey = typo Freya\nHe will still decide. You as a greater land. Also in unity, unlike specifically Europe in a number of ways.\n\n>The United States to accept the war appointed to them as a more united powress. From the fuhrer.\n\n>From Freya if it must. By its algorithm.\n\n>Greater god dam lands, will make greater god dam wars\nAlso, everything is not ok!\n\n.The United States in their current or other state\nThey would anyway in any other mad war. Like a * of negers even\n>May someone continue to make true white decisions even. Just like the United states and Southern Americha in Spain and whole Southern-Europa had become to associated with us\n\n>\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T582oCa5IIs\" [Embed]\nAnd we will an end to our whoring\n\n>Gebe your evil to (me)\n\nYahy\nBut I am telling you just of how it is\n\nValhalla to be upon us right here and of now ! ):"}, {"id": 75, "content": "Yes and now that we are to brutality, we will <<Freya>> not distinct from Germany"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nnext time, read the chain of posts properly before embarassing yourself, retard"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>15\nyou will have to convince linguists on this matter"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So I keep seeing stuff about how in China for most of its history, much of the governing was done by beuracrats so as to keep the landed nobles weak. What I’m wondering is, did the children of beuracrats tend to inherit much? Did beuracrats and their families usually get land, or significant wealth? And how did inheritance work? Would being the son of a beuracrat give you official and/or unofficial inroads to becoming a beuracrat yourself like how having a dad who went to Harvard can (or at least could) help you become a Harvard man too? Sorry if this is a vague question, but I’m interested in anything from the Han to the Qing."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What I’m wondering is, did the children of beuracrats tend to inherit much?\nYes, Government Posts were the most handsomely paid professions in Old China (or you know, one of the few salaried jobs besides being a soldier). If your pa had a nice rank (say Provincial magistrate or even better, court minister) and saved a lot of it you can inherit it.\n\n>Did beuracrats and their families usually get land, or significant wealth?\nDepending on the dynasty, but in general you only got a salary. If you served well and got rewarded with a noble rank and either fiefs OR a bonus stipend equivalent of the gdp of a fief. In the Han Dynasty for example lots of folks got the ranks of \"King of X\" or \"Duke of Y\" but they didn't get to rule said lands (that was governed by the governor) and only got an fixed stipend from the government that is the size of a Kingdom/Duchy on top of your salary.\n\n>And how did inheritance work?\nProperty Inheritance in China is a fucky topic in general its not as simple as primogeniture/gavelkind. Thanks to clan culture & concubinage, you're gonna have to consider main lines (i.e. your sons with your main wife) and minor lines (your sons with your concubines). And that shit depended on the dynasty. In the Tang-Song Era for example, women could inherit.\n\nSee: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9780824862497-004/pdf\n\n>Would being the son of a beuracrat give you official and/or unofficial inroads to becoming a beuracrat yourself\nYes and no.\n-No you're not gonna inherit dad's rank. You're gonna pass through the civil service just like everyone else.\n-Yes you'll have buttloads of advantages: you're rich so dad can send you to a good academy to prepare for the exams. If dad is a big official he can pull off some nepotist shit to maybe consider you as one of the passers.\n-If dad got enfeoffed as a noble you better hope you're the eldest main son, only you'll get that title"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDo you know where I can learn more about inheritance, the nobility, and the beurocracy throughout Chinese history?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nOh I should also add, Forget about government salaries & fiefs, and perks. Sometimes before they even enter the Bureaucracy, the families were *already* rich. Merchant clans for example are able to send their kids to the same schools as the gentry & scholar bureaucrats and come out of the system as officials. Once this happens the merchant clan gets instant respectability among the aristocracy and the wealth of the family skyrockets since as the papa handles the business while his bureaucrat son has a cushy government salary."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIts a generally scattered topic depending on the dynasties really\n\nHere's a nice overview\n>Zhang, Zhongli (1955). The Chinese Gentry; Studies on Their Role in Nineteenth-Century Chinese Society. Seattle: University of Washington Press."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSaoirse Ronan phenotype"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nnot even close lmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Let's roil jidf"}, {"id": 2, "content": "what is the crackpot pseudo-history?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How could he win?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The smallpox crap is fake.\nHis is a retard board if it replies at all to any jared thread.\nSteel was not a significant factor in 1500. It didn't matter.\nEurope won from density. Whites had enormously high fertility and swarmed like ants over north America.\nIn south America Europe completely lost and accomplished nothing.\n>muh gdp\nGdp=tourism.\nThe fact these threads exist at all prove his is a retard board. It has nothing to do with race or anything at all discussed here. The entire basis of debate is meaningless because Jared gave a racial reason (the smallpox crap) and his pretends to oppose him while completely supporting his point, just using iq instead of the smallpox crap.\nThe debate is doubly meaningless because Europe lost, America is mutt subhumanity and there were never any white people in America and never will be."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Whites\nThe White race is a colonial construct. It's a homogenisation of many distinct cultural and ethnic groups. There is no 'white race'. There is no 'white pride worldwide'. There is no 'white solidarity'.\n\nThis is /his/, refresh yourself on the board's rules"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Europe won from density\nOf firepower."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Steel was not a significant factor in 1500. It didn't matter."}], [], [{"id": 1, "content": "How was the German army so unstoppable in WW2? It just doesn't make sense, they had inferior equipment and numbers compared to the Allies, yet they steamrolled over every enemy they faced. The Poles, the French, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Russians, etc. What made them such a formidable fighting force?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Superior athleticism, a common idea to fight for and quality tacticians/strategists in their high command."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>they had inferior equipment\nSimply wrong right there, their greatest tool and weapon was the LMG whether it was the MG34 or MG42. These guns and their place in Germans squads made them competitive to enemy infantry even in the late stages of the war."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs a rather poor analogy, think of an army that seeks to restore the pre 9/11 world."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What made them such a formidable fighting force?\nrelentlessly preparing for a new war that they would initiate for the better part of a decade. Although by most metrics the USSR was trying just as hard to prepare for a huge future war and also got steamrolled, I’ll give you that."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nShort answer: Tactical superiority and an unprepared enemy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n> the USSR was trying just as hard to prepare for a huge future war and also got steamrolled\nbad doctrine that still prevails to this day\nI contend the Wehrmacht was just lucky with the blitzkrieg into France, and unlucky with the march on Moscow"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>. The Poles, the French, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Russians\n\nBeside the Russians, who actually buttraped them, only France is impressive in that list"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThat reliance on LMGs was a weakness, not a strength though, because your putting most of the firepower of the squad into a single element which can be easily surprised.\n\n>>unknown\n0/10 bad bait.\n\n>>8\nDid they also get unlucky when they went to war with America and Britain while still trying to fight the Russians at the same time? Germany army may have been capable tactically, but they failed miserably at the strategic level"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>>surprised\n*suppressed"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nAmerican equipment was really bad.\nNo American aircraft had cannon.\nAmerica did not have competitive battleships. Wikipedia had a edit war to hide Yamato sinking itself.\nAmerica never produced a heavy tank."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>>American equipment was really bad.\nFalse.\n>>No American aircraft had cannon.\nIf true, they didn't need them, since the US was more than capable of destroying the German and Japanese airforces.\n\n>>America did not have competitive battleships.\nIrrelevant. The battleship's day was almost done by the 1940s, hence why the US had lots of aircraft carriers.\n\n>>Wikipedia had a edit war to hide Yamato sinking itself.\nYamato sinking itself is an idiotic conspiracy theory.\n\n>>America never produced a heavy tank.\nSo what? Heavy tanks aren't really all that useful anyway."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nCarriers are useless. POW was rivet construction. The kirishima obliterated Americans until they engaged it.\nInvasion of Okinawa would be impossible if Yamato didn't sink itself to help jews."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nEven if you deny the conspiracy, the Yamato didn't have fuel to run, if it did then it would have obliterated the landing force."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">nearly always held numerical superiority\n>local commanders were allowed to go as they pleased as long as it fulfilled the objective\n>pervitin\n>genetic dispisition for destroying Europe and slaughtering white Europeans\n>german females are really ugly so german men were anxious to go abroad and meet actually human looking girls"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeth LOL"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>large European power with thriving industry, a large, unified militaristic population and a modern, well trained army\n\n>tiny Eastern European nations that just emerged 20 years ago with ww1 tactics and weapons, inflexible command, small demotivated military and population ect taking on germany one at a time\n\nIt’s really not that hard to comprehend anon"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe Poles had a ~500,000 man military and Germany was at war with 2 great powers on different front. France wouldn't be able to take out fucking Luxembourg if it was at war with Germany and Britain"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nSo what? All that tells me is that the US was better at strategic warfare then Imperial Japan was. Yamato went down due to insufficient fuel and being a gigantic target for torpedo bombers."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>>carriers were/are useless\nStupid opinion.\n>>Some stuff about the Kirishima\nWow one example, how compelling.(not really)\n>>blah blah idiotic conspiracy theories about Jews or whatever\nGet back to /pol/ you retard."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhat is this hairstyle called?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nThat supposed 500k was after mobilization. And the mobilization went as bad as it could.\n>Germany about to invade\n>Poland mobilizes\n>Britain and France tell Poland to demobilize, they do\n>Next day Germany invades\n>Chaos\nThem being attacked from 3 sides (later 4 when Germany's supposed mortal enemy Stalin joined in) and being outnumbered 3 to 1 didn't help. Oh yes you never hear it but Germany held numerical superiority against all of their opponents. Even the Soviets in 1941 up until the end of the year. Then the numbers equalized and Germany instantly started losing."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nDon't bother. The guy is a known schizo."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n>>tiny Eastern European nations that just emerged 20 years ago with ww1 tactics and weapons,\nI hope you didn't include Poland in that, calling it a small \"tiny\" nation, while it was the 11th most populous country in the world as of 1939.\n>>19\n>The Poles had a ~500,000\nONLY because Poland's army was 50% mobilized, as fully mobilized it was supposed to reach 1 million.\n>>23\n>And the mobilization went as bad as it could.\n>>Britain and France tell Poland to demobilize, they do\n>>Next day Germany invades\nExactly."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nGermans demanded more advanced firearms because they were being outshot by Soviets.\nPro-tip. Germans are just very socially cohesive Slavs. While they are not genetically “Slav” in the way a Pole is, their genetic cluster developed similarly to Slavs and they are 1/3 Slav.\nThey have the creativity of the slav which is why they build tanks too big to roll or guns too big to fire with any meaningful effect."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>9\nDoesn’t this list leave out the Brits who went running back to their island with their tails between their leads?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermans actually outnumbered both Poles and Soviets in the early phases of the war, when they achieved the most. Once the Red Army fully mobilized, it was only slow retreat for the Germans."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The Poles\nThat was Hitlers cunning, not so much the German army.\n>the French\nGood German doctrine, horrible French doctrine.\n>the Russians\nStopped the unstopable."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nHelmet hair"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically Kampfgruppe the ability to make ad box formations out of whatever the fuck units you had lying around contributed to 90% of germans winning their battles just look at general models work at arnhem and rzhev"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What made them such a formidable fighting force?\nthey were the last nation of their kind with a society shaped by consummate professionalism\nyou can't even say stuff like that without people calling you a nazi, but for all their faults, the germans simply \"wanted it\" more than anyone\nthat momentum will only carry you so far though and after a few years of war the krauts were spent"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey stomped Slavs, who are basically brown-tier. France didn’t feel like fighting them because they thought the nazis had some good ideas."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>unstoppable\n>gets stopped"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\n>Pro-tip. Germans are just very socially cohesive Slavs. While they are not genetically “Slav” in the way a Pole is, their genetic cluster developed similarly to Slavs and they are 1/3 Slav."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The German army was unsto…"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>They stomped Slavs, who are basically brown-tier.\nMore Poles have Blonde hair than Germans so you might want to revise your white hating weirdness anon.\n>>32\n>they were the last nation of their kind with a society shaped by consummate professionalism\nNot even remotely close to being true.\n>you can't even say stuff like that without people calling you a nazi.\nWell you obviously are a larping Nazi anon. You sound like a moron Praising Stalin or Mao.\n>but for all their faults, the Germans simply \"wanted it\" more than anyone.\nNo, they started a war in a good position when everybody else was still recovering from ww1 and didn't want a second world war.\n>>29\n>>the Russians\n>Stopped the unstopable.\nThe Russians didn't care about casualties and had way more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder.\n>>29\n>>The Poles\n>That was Hitlers cunning, not so much the German army.\nIt was Hitler not listening to his commanders that lost Germany the war."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n> The Russians didn't care about casualties and had way more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder.\n> It was Hitler not listening to his commanders that lost Germany the war.\nWehraboo, pls."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmeth. it was an actual white trash army."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Wehraboo, pls.\nHow in the absolute fuck does that make me a Wehraboo?\nI'm not praising the USSR or Hitler you freak.\n>>39\n>meth. it was an actual white trash army.\nMeth doesn't make you a better fighter anon."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n>and had way more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder\nNo, they did not. Thats a meme, they just mobilized more men which in turn meant that they had smaller industrial base.\n>It was Hitler not listening to his commanders that lost Germany the war.\nOnly 14 year old amerimutts still believe in this bullshit."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's a rough hairline for a 20 year old"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBetter training and they either did defeat in detail or had numerical superiority like in Barbarossa"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA professional officer corps, innovative new tactics like Blitzkrieg and schwerpunkt that the pre-war Allies refused to adopt, and methamphetamines"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>27\nThe English beat the shit out of the Afrika Korps in straight forward mechanized warfare"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>Meth doesn't make you a better fighter"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\n>No, they did not\nYes they did. And they lost a huge amount of soldiers too.\n>Only 14 year old amerimutts still believe in this bullshit.\nYou're an idiot that calls everyone you disagree with a Jew or Amerimutt. Dude. I don't even live in America.\nWhose idea was it to fight multiple fronts at the same time and take no breaks? Hitler of course.\nWow, are you dumb.\n>>46\n>>Meth doesn't make you a better fighter\nThat's right. It doesn't."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nThey were routed by the italians of all people."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>36\nThats an edited photo btw, they hoisted a Ukrainian version of the Sov flag, that man was a Ukrainian, commies edited out but now commies have to suck nazi ukrop cock so lol"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>35\nVery much the case.\n>>33\n>>34\nGermany crushed the commies, it was an East Euro civil war."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">We will answer you but 1\nAnyone to talk about Germany in sight of Freya"}, {"id": 52, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urw-iutHw5E [Embed]\nYou grills still to comprehend the real truth of mattress ):\n\nAnd this song is not to be understood other as being 10yo"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">Aus of dem Walt\n>Verstehst du nicht???!"}, {"id": 54, "content": "):\n\nᛋᛋ"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>13\n>>21\n\nWhy are you feeding the biggest autistic troll on this board you idiot. Learn to tell a bait when you see one."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe answer is that they a tactical genius like Heinz Guderian and his book \"Atchung Panzer!\" which came before the war. He developed the basis for Blitzkrieg as a strategy.\n\nTheir equipment was not inferior btw. They had both very modern equipment but also they knew how to use these new weapons of war well, unlike for example the French."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeth unironically"}, {"id": 58, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YbhB_A_8fM [Embed]\nD.o y.o.u r.e.a.l.l.y k.n.o.w what it really is?\n\n>in Freya"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>23\n\nYou forgot to mention a major reason why Poland was crushed so quickly was also due to miscommunication.\n\nPoland had good defensive lines in the interior of the nation, and they could have much more effectively braced the German invasion from those interior lines.\nThe problem was that Poland was worried that if Germany captured the Polish corridor without resistance, then France and Britain might just accept the situation and settle a deal with Germany to keep the corridor to avoid a war.\n\nThus Poland opted to defend the corridor, which placed their forces at a severe disadvantage from being attacking on multiple sides in a poorly defendable area and outmanouvered in a sudden German invasion.\n\nTo conclude: the main problem for Poland was that they expected France and Britain to help at the onset of war, and that there was a mistrust to France and Britains committment to war that still existed from the Sudetenland crisis, if Poland didnt resist the land Germany had demanded to annex, which had Poland placing its forces in an exposed strategic disadvantage where they eventually were routed and destroyed in the initial week of the invasion."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>5\nThat army would get obliterated by an army that embraced the post-9/11 world of drone warfare, precision guided munitions etc."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>19\n>France wouldn't be able to take out fucking Luxembourg if it was at war with Germany and Britain\n\nIn 1792, France was at war with Germany (HRE) and Britain, and they then proceeded to take not only Luxembourg but pretty much all Europe.\nYour epic WW2 Germany was just a bootleg version of Napoleonic France."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nyou keep destroying computers and you will eventually run out of them."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">in Freya\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwOg9opkDs [Embed] ):\n\nBut I AM of the fuhrer and what I said\n\nLes go fens (...) we all know what to do"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>37\n>The Russians didn't care about casualties\nIs the implication that, if the Russians had cared about casualties, they would have lost the war?"}, {"id": 65, "content": "Also Americha in its size and powress apparently has its wars. But then come heed some ever war that is apporovable ): ): ): ):"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nNow this is some more interesting point 4 this board fren.\n\nAlso regarding as to who I am. Also gebe me the whole of gay"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>7\nAnd amphetamines... given to all the soldiers"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\nYou keep destroying tanks, ships, planes, rifles, and you will eventually run out of them"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nIt turns out it was just a lot of meth, unironically."}, {"id": 70, "content": "F.r.e.y.a\nSeems\nTo be a.b.l.e\nto\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxHYZ8GfYY [Embed]"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>27\n\nBecause France failure to prevent a Germany breakthrough in the south had now placed the British forces in an extremely exposed strategic situation.\nIt wasnt exactly Britains fault that the German army had broken through the French lines in the south, and pulling out was the most reasonable decision to make in that situation."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis will be ignored but here's the actual answer, that they already supported the nazis.\n> The Poles,\nGerman minority.\n>the French,\nVichy.\n> the Dutch, the Belgians, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Greeks,\nFake countries.\n>he Russians, etc\nCommunism was for jews, the non ethnic Russian goyim opposed it."}, {"id": 73, "content": "YES its that sad frens.\n\nNow gebe it to me 4 redemption\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T582oCa5IIs [Embed]"}, {"id": 74, "content": "AUS of theme Walt\nVERSTEHST DU NICHT !!!\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urw-iutHw5E [Embed]"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74 (Me)\n4 also do not understand this. Of you being above 8yo"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75me\neven 5yo\nyes\n\nAlso may Austria-Hungary Poland support me. Specifically"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nactual theme\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLmT6nu6oGU&t=130 [Embed]"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP) (Me)\n>>>70\n\nOP come on. Freya brutality upon us.\n\nLook at the times now, reply to me. And by this heed the fuhrer."}, {"id": 79, "content": "https://youtu.be/qm1S_ITcuPA [Embed]\nIdk probably something to do with tanks"}, {"id": 80, "content": "And let everyone let off 卐 In your humanity and history, that I am of the fuhrer\n\nO yay\nAnd that is 100% harmony. 4 I to everyone the fuhrer"}, {"id": 81, "content": "Listen Freya had left the whole of Canada at this point. Where they could not have.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxHYZ8GfYY [Embed]\n\nBut the real truth of truths is, that however it means that. Freya is not done with this yet at all\n\n>Not at all. At all\n\n>But the WHOLE of Freya WILL not"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>47\nHe’s right. You sound exactly like a jew mutt 14 year old."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>72\n>greece\n>fake country\nRedpill me on this."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">unstoppable\n>stopped\nWhat did OP mean by this?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is there so much looking back to Nazi Germany? Is information about the Cold War really so obscured? Why did it take Idi Amin (heavily regarded as one of the worlds biggest dumbasses) to say “Hitlers war is not the war we are fighting today”"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuch of their early war campaigns and gained territory relied heavily on aerial superiority. Much of their enemies were horrendously underprepared and originally thought that the fighting was going to devolve into a slog like the First World War. In reality, German units were highly mobile and did as much as possible to not get brought into a standstill. It also helped that the average German soldier was an absolute meth head and could go sometimes days without sleep because they were so high."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>>69\n>>57\n>>44\n>>39\n>>17\nYou guys are like children who just learned a new fact and now it's applied everywhere.\n\nThe allies were using amphetamine for the exact same purpose as the Germans and distributed a near equal amount if not more, stop thinking meth was some sort of ad-hoc to fucking everything about the German army.\n\nThe German army excelled because of tactical superiority and an unprepared enemy. German army emphasized on mission command, mobility, combined arms and focus point.\n\nThey failed at their strategic abilities because the military and the nation was unable the achieve the required operational objectives."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>yet they steamrolled over every enemy they faced.\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHABAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>21\nRemember when /pol/ was a containment board? As a /k/ faggot I miss those days."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>14\nretard alert"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll those countries were smaller, unprepared and underequipped. Their only real feat is zerg rushing the French and knocking them out fast. But even then, they had numerical superiority"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>87\nallies used benzadrine, a much milder version with no addictive or psychotic effects and still used today as a nasal decongestant"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeth"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>87\nGernams used it first and their initial offensives where the most successful. People cite the meth use for a good reason. Allies used it for different applications."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>89\nblame /pol/ harbor for causing mass migrations outside the board."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\nnot >>87 , but he has a point that pervitin didn't have much influence, things like logistics, supply lines, resources, new technology and geopolitical strategy were far more influential than a pophistory tidbit\n\nso they stay awake for 48 hours, afterwards they get maddening withdrawal symptoms plus whatever PTSD, then they might be called to action again in an emergency and might not be so lucid in their abilities and decision making skills"}, {"id": 97, "content": "Invading Poland wasn't particularly impressive."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>49\nProof?"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean I would be also unstoppable if I walked in a prestigious restaurant in full suit and good grooming but all of a sudden started assaulting everyone in middle of meal, but question is how long will it take to security arrive and neutralize me?\nNazi Germany was the definition of sucker punch."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>43\n>had numerical superiority like in Barbarossa\nBiggest cope ever\nAll modern offensives need numerical superiority and the reds had more tanks, more artillery, mechanised infantry, all else that matters"}, {"id": 101, "content": "They didn’t have inferior equipment in their initial successful assaults. Only later\n\nThe command structure gave huge individual freedom for commanders to do whatever they wanted as long as the mission was fulfilled. Which helped a lot with the early successes like the invasion of France or Yugoslavia"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Western equipment is in general useless and loses every war."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why do Europe have so few indigenious peoples?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause europe created all the indigenous tribes in the 19th century out of thin air using anthropology, and the same thing applied to Europe was called other things."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing indigenous is often more contingent on being brown and powerless than actual indigenity."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIt's more applied to being tribal and/or a weird culture(if we went by being native to a place, tatars are the newest historical ethnic group to Europe).\n\nLike, if you look at the map, the vast majority of people in every continent aren't indigenous, but i doubt anyone can say africans aren't native to Africa, or whatever."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey are bantu who displaced the original inhabitants. It's simply not recorded."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYeah, but talking as a whole.\nIdk, swap with arabs in Arabia."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIslam and other religions displaced whatever ethnic groups existed."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey are the same tribal fags that have lived there since antiquity, even with a religion change.\n\nYou are missing the point, anyway."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nBeing tribal is very usually tantamount to being powerless anywhere with commonly electrified public buildings."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nEthnic conflicts didn't exist before the cia.\nEurope created all the ethnic groups in the 19th century to destabilize."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nAlso, was talking about Gulf Arabs, mostly."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShalom"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's a stupid chart, even if we add the requirement that the ethnicity should be a minority group.\n>Basque, Catalan, Breton, Wendish, Frisian, etc.\nAll ethnic groups that don't have their own states are considered indigenous.\n\nThe non-European ones are also retarded. How can the Copts not count as indigenous in Egypt?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nEthnic conflicts didn't exist before the cia. Name any ethnic group in the world that had a real substantial written language before the 19th century when Europe created the education systems.\nFurthermore to the extent any diversity existed it was destroyed by authoritarian religions like Islam, confucianism and non European imperialism."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a shitty map. Most Maghrebis are ethnic Berbers thus natives. Egypt having no natives at all is completely wrong, same for the Arabian peninsula.\nI feel like this map is about linguistic minorities rather than actual \"indigenous\" people."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>12\n>>13\n>>15\n>no natives in fucking papua new guinea"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThey have the power there and also Indonesia would never allow that."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\n/thread/"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nlel"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nexcuse me, arent europeans indigenous to europe by definition? what are you trying to say?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe main groups which now inhabit Europe (Germanics and Slavs) originated in the Asian steppe many thousands of years ago. That's why Saami and Basque are listed as European natives and the other groups are not."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nThat’s basically the UN definition lol. Even if you somehow could claim mostly WHG ancestry, you couldn’t claim European indigeneity by the official definition."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nThe cia created all the ethnic groups and didn't put any in Europe- except stuff like the Basques which were created artificially in the 20th century to advance communism."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>8\nThey’re not at all lol. Very different genome."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>>23\nsounds like jewish pilpul. by that account, we wuz all africans so only africans should have indigenous populations."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nEthnic conflicts didn't exist before cia"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI dont know what you think you accomplish by spewing that shitty meme"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nRight. Bantu expansion never happened, farmniggers were never massacred in Europe, and WHGs just disappeared lol."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWonderful counterargument jidf. I'm sure this thread will hit 300 replies now and be spammed every day to your satisfaction."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nIt literally is. Anthropology was taken over by Jewish pseudoscience post-WW2, created by Boas and Mead."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nThose weren't the same as the modern ethnicities, of course there were ethnic conflicts but they weren't the modern kind before the cia."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nPost-WW2 anthropology is Jewish pseudoscience."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>>31\n>the cia invented romans vs germans\n>greeks vs persians\n>mughals vs indians\n>the caliphates vs iberia\nnigger what kind of drugs are you on"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nIt always was. Racism didn't exist before 4chan.\nYou don't realize how utterly unique and specially retarded the ideology on this board is."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nThe modern ethnicities are made up of them so it’s irrelevant.\n\nThe modern ethnicities literally exist precisely because the other ones don’t lol."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Israel\n>300k people\nAre Jews not indigenous to Israel??"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nBasically all those were jews vs jews, under other names.\n>>35\nBantu (like the others) is not a real ethnicity people call themselves."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nEuropeans created and codified the science of it. Denying it is just denying the laws of nature just like communists, Abrahamists etc do."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nObviously Communists literally created race, Darwin was a marxist etc, because you are a mentally retarded jew you will of course defend white supremacy. As all users of this literal jidf board."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ny'all posting in an fdr nigga thread\nherbs in options"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nI don’t respond to mental illness. Europeans created sociobiology. Jews migrated to the west post-WW2 en masse, and created pseudoscience (Boas, Mead, Gould, Lewontin, Kamin, Rose) to deny it just like Einstein, Mises, Rothbard, Cantor, Freud, Marx, and Adorno did. And just like Harari and Pinker do now.\n\nJews have always specialized in pseudoscience.\n\nThey were all counter-Jewish revolts against European science."}, {"id": 42, "content": "> \"\"Indigenous people\" has no official definition\""}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nRace is obviously a Jewish pseudoscience created by engels, and by utter retards on 4chan.\nRacism didn't exist before 4chan."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nIn greater detail:\n\nWe see the evidence by their specialization in the production of authoritarian religion, pseudoscience, sophistries, deceits, and frauds that falsely and unaccountably promise freedom from physical. natural. and evolutionary laws. again. profiting from the destruction of European high-trust commons, under the pretense of plausible deniability:\nCantor-Bohr in mathematical re-platonization (sophistry or ‘mathiness’).\nGould-Boaz-Freud in behavioral sciences (pseudoscience and historical revisionism).\nMarx-Lenin in political economy (the possibility of authoritarian underclass rule and violation of evolutionary law).\nTrotsky-Strauss-Kristol in neoconservatism to convert the USA to advance Jewish globalism.\nAdorno-Marcuse~Fromm (Frankfurt school) in cultural marxism to undermine European aesthetics and values.\nGramsci-Derrida in postmodernism to undermine truth itself.\nFriedan-Steinem in anti-male, anti-familial feminism.\nRand-Rothbard in anti-rule of law, anti-nationalist libertarianism.\nPerhaps the most insidious in Raz-Kelsen-Dworkin-llartt in positive or pseudoscientific law. in order to make European evolutionary, scientific, and neutral law devolve into Jewish pilpul (sophistry) law. relativism. and interpretation and kritarchy (rule by judges).\nAnd that’s before we address their intentional destruction of the architectural, monumental, visual, literary. and entertainment arts."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nRace was also created by jews. Jews created iq tests. Also the torah created race. And most importantly retards on 4chan were the first people to create racism and post infographics."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>>45\nmuh Europe"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nNobody outside European and Jewish cultures cared about race, even today it just spread through western culture."}, {"id": 48, "content": "Because indigenous is an anti-nativist term applied exclusively by hostile forces that deliberately excludes actual indigenous people to attempt to divorce them from their history and land."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nWhat about the Brahmins in India making autistic categories about everyone based on each's specific descendance?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery European ethnicity were indigenous to the Romans (except the Greeks). That includes the french, the germans, the anglo-saxons, the bulgars, the slavs, etc etc."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nDravidians were east Africans (the true hebrews) and the Jewish obsession with race can be traced to this offshoot."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>45\nNo, sorry. I don’t respond to pseudoscience or bait, but I can use the opportunity to summarize the science and educate those who will listen:\n\nThe Immateriality of Race Is a Social Construction (lie) to Destroy Great Civilizations.\n1 – The Four Major Races: West Eurasian (European), South Eurasian (today’s Islam and India), Mongoloid (East-Asian), and Negroid (African). The rest are hybrids of these four.\n2 – The South Eurasian Race: Includes the peoples of North Africa, the Levant, and Mesopotamia, Caucuses, Iran, the Central Asian steppe, India, and what we consider the Turkic branch is a hybrid of Iranic and Mongoloid (East-Asian).\n3 – 750M: White “Loosely” European Peoples (Subrace) means ‘European christendom’ which includes southern Europeans: southern Spain, the boot of Italy, the byzantine Balkans who are of Anatolian rather than Russo-Ukrainian origins.\n4 – 450M: White “Narrowly” Northern European Peoples (Minor Race) means descendants of Atlantic, Germanic, and Slavic europeans from france to the Urals, of Aristotelian (atheist), protestant, catholic, and Orthodox backgrounds, who are primarily the descendent of Russo-ukrainian, and built their civilization in the cold.\nWhite nationalists, and white identitarians use the narrow definition. When the rest of us refer to european civilization we use the looser definition."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nWhat abou the Incaz?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nbs"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nYou didn't address jews creating all that but it's fine.\nThere are three actual races:\nWhite\nBlack (melanin)\nMongoloid (rainfall causing calcium deficiency)\nDue to peak oil all soil depletes its calcium and all populations become mongoloid over time. All races physically devolved from Neanderthal Georgian proto-humans to modern urbanites then in the future to complete insects.\n>>53\nJews were in the America's as well and Mayan have jewish inscriptions."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nIncaz obviously weren't Jewish, they were based and red-pilled"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's almost half a billion indigenous people in Europe, it's just that the World Bank (which produced your infographic) was created by Jewish communist bankers (look up Harry Dexter White and Frank Virginius Coe) who are intent on exterminating Europeans, and they absolutely do not want it recognized that the current waves of mass immigration into Europe are displacing indigenous peoples."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%27nai_Moshe&ved=2ahUKEwjivYqXpL3-AhVxPEQIHYEuC0gQmhN6BAgaEAI&usg=AOvVaw17HSgQZilxS1nPtVxFwsAG"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nIndigenous implies land theft is an issue. In reality Europeans simply take the American route to mutt subhumanity and there is no land theft."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nI don't get it"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nJewish incas, with a hint they were already there."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nfake, like the cristal skull"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nIn order to survive they need malaria adaptation so it's likely any early community like that was already there."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nThere's no Malaria in the Andes"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nThen altitude adaptation."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThe Incas have altitude adaptation"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nJewish elites do not. Only the few suspicious ones they found there."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n> it's da jooz"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>57\nThe term \"indigenous\" is only used when it can create division and delegitimize ethnic nationalism. For example in the US: Native Americans are portrayed as the true indigenous people --> everyone else is considered as foreign immigrants --> \"why do you want to restrict immigration? America was always a land of immigration\". In reality, the United States were founded as a WASP nation and it only began to decline when non-whites were given citizenship.\nFor some reason, there's a very strong political agenda against ethnic nationalism, homogeneity, well-defined national identities."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nThese non whites being the jews who founded America."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>These non whites being the jews who founded America.\nJews didn't found America anon lol."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>21\nbut saamis arrived to scandinavia later then indoeuropeans"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>11\nThey're iranian"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes by burger education \"indeginous\" simply means someone who lives like a primitive? By definition it should mean someone hailing for generations from a specific teritory, making majority of europe indeginous to europe"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">we all coom from Afrika, nobody is an alien here\n>there are indigenous and non-indigenous people"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho tf are the indigenous people of Ethiopia? The Omotic speakers?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDefine \"indigenous\". Everybody displaced someone else at some point."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>50\nYou don’t know the meaning of that word do you? And no, a lot of non roman Europens were not considered indigeneous by the Romans"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>36\nCareful buddy"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>he thinks calling Jews colonizers is some bold claim\nIt's close to becoming mainstream. I know several zoomers at college who genuinely believe that."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nWrong. They were indigenous. It was the Romans that came to invade the lands of the indigenous barbarians like the G*RMANS"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nGermanics came from Scandinavia to invade Celtic lands, originally Germania was Celtic"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nIt doesn't matter, because the Romans are invaders to the land and the the natives are whoever the savages are."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they go of of self-identification\nit literally says so in the image for fucks sake\n\nmake a better, more worthwhile thread next time"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBecause Jews get to decide who qualifies as an \"indigenous people\" and they hate white people. Next?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nGermanics invaded Italy before the Romans invaded Germania, see the Cimbri and Teutoni\n\n\nAlso natives=indigeneous. Again you ignore the meaning of the words you’re using"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nIt doesn't matter who invaded first. Indigenous people of Germania invaded Rome, Rome invaded Germania where the indigenous people of Germania lived."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">Ctrl+F \"World Bank\"\n>1 result\n86 replies, and only one single person is capable of enough critical thinking to ask the very basic questions \"who is making this claim, and what motive might they have to make it?\"\n\nHonestly, the NPC meme is real. You fuckers don't have a claim to be fully human."}, {"id": 89, "content": "the non-indigeneity of historically dominant ethnic majorities in nation states is literally the World Bank (see source of infographic, thanks poster above me) and academia fully falling for the \"and then the fire nation attacked\" approach to history. No I won't elaborate what I mean by this, that's for you to figure out"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Indigenous is usually used in relation to settlers or Europeans."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nThis, the term only makes sense in the context of a colonial relationship, hence why Jews aren't considered indigenous to Israel, they're the ones with the power and actively displacing a population that was there before them. Read \"indigenous\" as \"powerless + minority\".\n(Notice how they only count the Palestinians living outside the reservation as indigenous though lol)"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause historically eurocentrism dictated that generic Europeans are the universal subjects of world history while specific different \"native\" or \"indigenous\" peoples are static, specific anthropological objects."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So a guy that never met Jesus, except in dreams and visions, and stole his theology from Plato and Philo, wrote half the New Testament?\n\nWhy should I believe Paul?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause every other apostle accepted him as legit, and none of the communities the other apostles founded, went non-pauline, despite some being in the ass end of nowhere from Judea(India, Ethiopia, the Caucasus)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut what would Jews put in a beverage to super charge their energy?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus says he meets Paul. Who is a Pharisee Jew who then turns over the gospel to the world, which was Jesus’ purpose for dying. Even before Jesus, God told you through Moses that they were disobedient and deserved to die. God didn’t want a people anymore, their purpose had become like Cain. Spoiled and unbelieving.\nIt’s like making a fan club for the Mario brothers. They used to be the same size just one was red the other was green. There used to be no difference. Then they started making one fat ans short and the other is skinny and tall. God created Adam, one man, not two. Likewise, God gave us Jesus Christ, not Adam and Jesus Christ. Adam is gone away, he is a saved sinner like everyone else. Jesus is his savior. We are all one in Jesus Christ. It isn’t Jew based Christians + Non-Jew Christians where you make the non jew Christians short and fat and the jew Christians get to be tall and skinny. Jesus said there is only one body, one soul, one spirit.\nPaul said nothing new, he only came to show you and explain to you how the Jews convert. He isn’t the last author of the New Testament. Jesus isn’t a handicapped psychic zombie in a wheelchair hiding in a vault somewhere. He has a new body of glory in heaven and knows very well what is happening on earth and what the Bible says."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MpC5Bi974I [Embed]\nStale Cracker makes pig skins out of giant pig stomach skin still with the nipples on. They are incredibly soft and puffy and not hard.\nI have only seen soft and puffy pig skins in gourmet food or natural health food stores. And even then, theirs are so tiny and thin that there isn’t very much of them and in a tiny bag.\nThis man is a miracle sent from God. And I bet his Cajun pig skins taste good.\nThe main thing about pigskins is that they leave an aftertaste after the stomach digests most of it down with a freeze dried kind of dirt+rotten meat after taste even though it isn’t going to kill anyone, it just a bitter flavor of leftover pig stomach taste. Everyone knows that has eaten pig skins b4. Well, all you need is a little ginger or peppermint to digest that out.\nBtw Mike Lindell looks like Siegeward of Catarina which looks like Mario and in Elden Ring they left Siegeward out and I miss him. They only brought Patches over, which is like as if they made a Mario game and decided to leave Mario out and only have Luigi."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Aka one man!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat did he gain by doing this? He only lost status and put himself in danger when he could live far more priviligied"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>Adam is gone away, he is a saved sinner like everyone else. Jesus is his savior.\nBro what? so Adam waited 6000 years sleeping in his tomb until Jesus was born? God isn't powerful enough to save its own creation?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou will shut up and stop asking endless questions you pretend to understand. You don’t know anything and you make things up for sake of Satan. You the accuser become the accused in an endlessly looping damning hell."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeems like it worked well for Muhammad"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThroughout history, people have lied for many reasons."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nforeskin puree"}, {"id": 13, "content": "This drink has an interesting website"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n120 verbal IQ"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nok what the fuck is this shit lmao"}, {"id": 16, "content": "The entire OT was written by Greeks."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause no one ever got saved by boasting about something they did.\n\n\n[Jas 1:26 KJV] 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain.\n\n[Rom 3:27 KJV] 27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>reeeeeeeeeeee"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nVerily. Every word of the NT is true though."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhat is truth? Asking for a friend"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nthat God is love"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThen why not just call him Love?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nIf you have to ask then you can't know. I'll save myself the two hours of hand holding."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>>23\n>ostensible Christians miss the obvious reference to their own sacred gospels\nMany such cases. I’ll pray for you"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nhow does my answer imply that i didn't get the reference?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThe fact that Jesus himself had no response but you in your hubris claim to have an answer. Repent"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIt's not that He didn't have a response. The reason He stayed quiet is because He didn't need to speak to answer the question. It would've been a distortion of the truth because men's language can distort. He IS truth (alétheia, unconcealment, manifestation). He is manifestation of the Word which, in a way, is the love of God\n\nSo, \"What is truth?\" that God is love. Men have to speak this; Christ didn't have to"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\nWhy would a dead person care about waiting? Time is not an object for them."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat is apostolic succession"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>7\nExcept Random Roman Bureaucrat #3498 is totally forgotten while Founding Father of Christianity Paul gets his letters read every Sunday in a million churches around the world"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>16\nhot take right here"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>What it is not\n>listening to governments or religions that operate from places that have 7 hills"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nMary's Land. Like drawing nudes."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>8\nThe flow of time needn't be an impediment to God. It's perfectly reasonable for the crucifixion to affect all points of time in creation, including those before it."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nNeedn't reply to him, all a child of God has to do is filter his comments and his affections from the temple are disabled and nullified. That is HOW it is supposed to work. I reject him. Jesus himself also said it works this way with God. So with Satan also, since Satan vowed to be like God."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nif your church leadership doesn't have receipts proving apostolic succession you are a LARP Christian\n\nconsider the Oriental Churches, they too respect this tradition of laying on hands to confer authority among elders and have some of the strongest claims of direct continuity\n\nsome protestants do not because they literally can not claim legitimate descent from the early church\n\nthe church fathers unanimously voice their support for apostolic succession"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nkys troon, I already am God and told you WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GOD DAMN DO MOTHER FUCKER."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nwhat should I refuse to trust because it's based in Newton, Massachusetts?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>27\nSo once again you presume to respond when Jesus himself did not. Intredasting"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How the fuck did the Vietnamese develop a writing system that was even more difficult than Chinese?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes it even matter anymore?\nThey got colonized and now are using the CHAD Latin script."}, {"id": 3, "content": "one part is the pronunciation and the other is the meaning, zhuang had a similar system called sawndip"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYeah because the most chad thing you can do with the latin script is put diacritics over every vowel and every third consonant because it's a fucking tonal language"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nchinks made their language tonal. Austroasiatic languages are non-tonal"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a very specialised tool of precise semantic transcription.\nNever a regular writing system intended for the wide public.\n\nJust compare Chinese to the much harder to use and interpret rhyme tables or separate models of accurately transcribing Sanskrit mantras.\n\nThe first and original use-case was to compose poetry rhyming in Old Viet-Muong.\nThen it also became a mnemoic for people with really bad grasp of Classical Chinese (for learning and retention).\nFinally when the Christian missionaries came and started mass-production of missionaries who simply needed to recite the Latin-spelled transliteration of the Bible, the Buddhists adapted as well and started transliterating all their works into Chu-nom for the same effect. Reading off of a pre-written narrative rather than reading the originals in very specific Classical Chinese that they'd need to both process and explain to the commoners on their own.\n\n\nA few Thang Hoan regimes tried to have everything translated into it (since they had no access to Sinitic education but could at least semi-understand the Middle Vietnamese which split from their native language around the 11th century), but all of these efforts were short-lived and failed.\nThe locals themselves usually complained that Chu Nom is complicated and not very useful. After all, the irony is that it faces the same problem as standard Chinese characters and even Latin (modern 國語). Those phnetic symbols also antiquated and lacked standardisation.\nAnd even modern Vietnamese can't technically use either properly, though it's at least in a reasonably-intelligible divergence today.\n\"Ao dai\" or \"襖𨱽\". If you ask in the south, the former is Aw yay and in the north it is Aw zay. Doing the same with symbols, the southerner sees Ao Tng, the northerner Ao Chng."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's unnecessary to add those radicals to the numbers. You can clearly recognise them within the viet numbers (except for 4, I think)\n零一二三四五六八九十百千"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI don't speak Vietnamese so I might be wrong, but it just looks like they tried to make every character have a phonetic radical.\n\n巴 = Ba + 三 = 3\n南 = Nan + 五 = 5\n\n4, I assume 本 sounds like hon in Vietnamese, like Nihon (日本) with 罒 looking like an abridged 四"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did God make the Sun stop spinning in the middle of the sky for Joshua in Joshua 10:12? Even if you take into account a heliocentric model of the Earth wouldn't the oceans and tectonic plates smash around if the Earth came to a grinding halt?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsee book of jasher"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPause time outside of Earth or quicken time on Earth"}, {"id": 4, "content": "It was a vision"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarth is flat according to the Bible"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It was a miracle. The whole point is that natural laws are abrogated because of supernatural involvement"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe sun was already stationary."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n/thread"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMagic, my nigga."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy best explanation is that when it says the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, this was only what appeared to happen to those on the ground. That is, the light from the sun continued to come from the same direction miraculously, even though things were moving normally for that day. By the way, this also explains the appearance of the sun and moon and stars on the fourth day of creation, because that's just them appearing from the perspective of an observer (namely the Spirit of God) on earth, while before they were not yet visible due to atmospheric effects blocking them."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod has authority even over the apparent laws of physics. He can do anything He wants."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nDuring the appearances of Fatima, witnesses said the Sun moved around the sky. Strangely there were pictures of people \"witnessing this\" but no pictures of the event itself. Weird...."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>>11\nThese are both the correct response. Why do atheists have such a big problem with the very idea of omnipotence?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is biblical Greek (Koine) the most expressive and beautiful language in the world? was it really chosen by god?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Greek of the NT is extremely crude and low class attesting to the low class shmoes it was originally written for. Many of the ethical questions people have raised over the years could have been cleared up by a better writer."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Like how Greek has different words for love, the language is more precise"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt evidently isn't. You could at least acknowledge Attic Greek as more expressive, given that it hadn't dropped the optative.\nt. Greek knower"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminds me of Elon Musk. Elon thinks he can try and be edgy atheist secular hero for the world and fix it and fight the globalists without even knowing 1 thing about the spirit world and the war that is going on. Imagine thinking this as you try to fix everything and what is going to happen to you in the spiritual world. It's not good.\nGreeks were only blessed by being near to God's Nation on earth during the time of Jesus' life. God used them for the root of the Gentile to reach the rest of the world.\nBut not everything Greek is blessed just by being Greek. Plenty of homosexual greek stuff and Satanic witchcraft."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHindus and stuff would start incorporating Elon into religious canon about their gods and stuff since he doesn't choose God/a side in the matter."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is biblical Greek (Koine) the most expressive and beautiful language in the world?\nIt's not. That honor belongs to Tamil, of which Gayreek is merely a bastard child."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThe optative is a waste. The subjunctive can be used to express the same nature of discourse, as per Latin."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>7\nYou have no Idea what you're talking about. Koine is the Champions League of Languages. Seeth atheist scum"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSyriac is beautiful and expressive too"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nmeanwhile the Greek of the Old Testament is extremely refined and high class, being written for the Pharaoh himself ofc"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nSyriac is hella gay bro"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nNo one in this thread can read Koine Greek.\nOr Syriac, or Tamil, or Arabic, or Latin or Sanskrit or Mandarin"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>e-convert\n>defending koine for being beautiful\nThe Church Fathers are rolling in their graves"}, {"id": 15, "content": "That's not how you spell Japanese"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreek was the language of poets and philosophers at the cultural center of the world. Until the Romans took over and brought with them Latin."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nNo, YOU are hella gay, faggot!\n\nܩܛܠ ܢܦܫܟ\n\n(Kys in syriac)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDunno"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\n>permissive will vs positive will is a waste\n\nThe distinction literally solves the problem of evil."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>No one in this thread can read Koine Greek.\n\nI can"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nLuke and Matthew write pretty well. As does John the Evangelist.\nSome of the NT books are very poorly written. Especially Revelation, the Greek in John of Patmos’s apocalypse is terrible."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nYou don't know Greek, how would you know?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>No one in this thread can read Koine Greek.\nif you know modern greek and have the patience to look up words then you also know koine greek\n\nits amazing how undertsandable it is even today even if you dont look up words you dont know"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nI can read Arabic."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>13\nLatin is easy. Greek is difficult to pronounce and the script is funny, but it's not too hard once you start spotting all the loanwords."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were these guys related to Indians and Pakistanis? Has any aspect of IVC influenced later Hindu cultures?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were mostly iranian and pakistani.\nHindoo rats like to we wuz them because their abo ancestors were stone age chimps in the meanwhile"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHarappans tortured Aryans to death in their \"cities\" and then adopted their artifacts and destroyed all written accounts of anything at all."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were erectus/neanderthals. Nothing relevant to anything remotely near today."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWe dont want to larp as Indus valley civilisation because it was so so great and all but because we deny AIT. It's only Pakis who think there is anything larp worthy about Indus valley civilization because its the only thing about their history that isn't about getting ruled by some foreigner or getting outright btfo'd. Indians have better people to wewuzz as."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nYou just know a paki ratboy is behind this post."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nPakis larp as arabs not IVC. They start their history with Muhammad bin Qasim. IVC larp is the domain of Pajeets"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDont tell me about the affairs of my own subcontinent. Paki elites dropped the Arab larp some decades ago,there are written records of old Paki generals wanking to some random Paki historical figures related to their actual ethnicity. The masses have now caught up and after constant humiliation by Arabs they have started to larp as IVC. Paki Zeitgeist will accept IVC as the foundation instead of Qasim's conquest in some years even though no serious historian of theirs considers the foundation before 1947."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>6\n>>5\nSeething larper Hindooo rats, your streetshitting dravidian chimp ancestors had nothing to do with the IVC, which was entirely formed and centered arround pakistan."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were these guys related to Indians and Pakistanis?\nYeah. Especially people in the Northwest. The Aryans mixed with them.\n>Has any aspect of IVC influenced later Hindu cultures?\nDepends on what you mean. Their textiles were definitely influential on Indian fabric and clothes. However, a lot of the speculation about their religion and its relation to Hinduism is massive speculation by Westerners who were hungry for some \"lost civilization\" shit. Afaik the IVC collapsed well in advance of the Aryans arriving in India. So in the realm of Indic thought, they probably did have some influence, but probably a lot less than what is made out. In terms of the material culture there was an impact."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow close are we to cracking their script?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were these guys related to Indians and Pakistanis?\nYeah.\n>Has any aspect of IVC influenced later Hindu cultures?\nTheir language was likely Proto-Dravidian, so in that regard yes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI haven’t read the comments in this thread, but I wonder if more comments will be “Haha, cow poop” or “Le epic Aryan ubermensch”."}, {"id": 14, "content": "My friends Punjabi dad put Aryan as his race when he immigrated to the US"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Proto-Dravidian\nWhy do these guys love larping so much? They claim to be sumerians, elamites, and IVC"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Indus civilization\n>forever in the shadow of UD REEEEAAAAAA"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Sumerians\nThat's LARP.\n>Elamites\nIt's plausible that Proto-Dravidian was a sister of Elamite. We can't say for sure either way.\n>IVC\nThey most likely did speak Proto-Dravidian."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\n>>9\nSmelly pakijeet pretending he's not a pajeet lmao"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nSumer was a poor shithole by comparison\nThey were living in mudhuts and streetshitting while IVC had comfy houses with plumbing"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nThere is no proof or evidence. Its a larp"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nEgypt>IVC>Sumer"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nwrong. everyone in the subcontinent has indus genes. also i doubt you know what your are talking about since u just said “iranian” with no details"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nSumer > IVC > Egypt"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>indus genes\nSays the guy who stated this."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nAll african americans have english genes too. Hindooo rat"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>>/news/1158710 #\n\nhttps://twitter.com/Storm_011234/status/1648663703678783488\n\nhttps://twitter.com/sabrshukur/status/1648647750542663683\n\nhttps://twitter.com/HindusOfTikTok/status/1649876223953186816\n\nhttps://twitter.com/InsurgentHumour/status/1649731513108537346\n\nhttps://twitter.com/Storm_011234/status/1649201536139161602\n\nhttps://twitter.com/InsurgentHumour/status/1649462970785890304\n\nhttps://twitter.com/InsurgentHumour/status/1649008867005857792\n\nhttps://twitter.com/1C0N0CL45T/status/1649098985154686977?cxt=HHwWgsDRmcWy4-ItAAAA"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would Marx think of Lenin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFord ran the soviet car industry and communism is a market economy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat doesn't answer the question."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConsidering they're both communists, Marx would have found some small thing bad about Lenin before calling him a rightist deviationist and condemning the whole USSR"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNot a small thing, Lenin openly supported capitalism."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nMajority of people Marx criticized were other communists."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pretty good for someone who's only like half Jewish, really showed those Goyim who's boss\n\n>>2\nCommunism wad never meant to be take seriously as an ideology, it's just a tactic to get dumb cattle to overthrow their own leaders and install hostile foreign invaders instead.\nCommunism was supported by Jewish bankers, all the Communist governments were full of Jews (yes, even in China), and Marx himself was descended from a long line of prominent Rabbis."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThis basically"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nRedpill me on Judeo-Ho Chi Minhism"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBarracksw Communism"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n\nlol"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThen what do you call the type of economic system that was implemented in Israeli kibbutzim back in the early days of Jewish settlement in Palestine?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHe will likely criticize him for modifying Marxism so much."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nNo he would criticize Lenin's dogmatism. Marx never liked 'Marxism'."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho gives a fuck"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nSeeing Marxism as some Jewish supremacy cult is the most retarded take someone can have. When they start talking like this you just know they have never read a book in their life and get all their “info” from retarded bitchute videos"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLenin would throw his lazy germ ass in a labor camp, and rightfully so"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe would have called him Blanquist and would have denounced him for perverting the Marx idea of class consciousness. Lenin was alone among the second-generation Marxists who denied that workers would attain proletarian consciousness over time, he insisted that without the Party - a bunch of high middle-class intelligentsia, self proclaimed vanguard of proletariat, lead by the professional party elite - workers will remain in the state of exploration forever. That directly contradicts the Marx view on history as impersonal class struggle, in which parties doesn't play much role.\n\nI'd say Kautsky's critique of Bolshevism is the closest to Marx's hypothetical position, seen how Kautsky was the most orthodox Marxists out there."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nyup"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nBut Marx himself was Blanquist though, and Marx's criticisk of Blanqui was not that he wanted to usurp power but that he had no plans as to how to actually implement socialism."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\nI know that before Israel was founded, Ho Chi Minh suggested to David Ben Gurion that a Communist Vietnam could host a Zionist government in exile, but I've never really looked very deeply into Vietnam, because I can't read Vietnamese and it pales in comparison with other Asian powers such as Japan and China (I'm fluent in Japanese and can read Chinese to some degree). So I can't really answer your question about North Vietnam. About China though, you can find plenty of material even on the Anglophone internet, unless Google (founded by the Jews Sergey Brin and Larry Page) takes it down or delists the website from its search engine, which they do with a lot of material that exposes Jewish crimes, like this:\naangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/06/jews-in-china.html\n\n>>16\nActually, the fact that you have read a total of 0 serious books on Judaism, do not know what the Noahide laws are and how the USSR implemented them, and have obviously never researched who financed Bolshevism would suggest that you're the retard here."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nCommunism holds anti racism as one of its values, so posting them law against discrimination of Jews is not at all evidence that the ideology itself is some Jewish supremacist cult. The Soviets also established autonomous regions for ethnic minorities including Jews and even one for the Volga Germans.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_German_Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republic\n\nYou just do this thing where you find a Jew inside some communist movement to prove it means something larger which is the logic a retard would use. Like I said you have more than likely never read a book. What bitchute video did you learn this from?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThe fact that law was crafted after the General Jewish Labor Bund merger is pretty suspicious. Also, Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nBecause both were a minority ethnic group in Russia at the time, so both got their own autonomous regions under soviet law. I pointed out the Volga Germans to show you that this wasn’t some special privilege awarded to just Jews.\n\nAlso, how do you factor in the fact that the Bolsheviks, including exclusively Jewish factions in that circle, were fundamentally anti-Zionist? Even after the creation of Israel, the Soviet world backed the Arabs against Israel and their propaganda refers to Israel as a Nazi apartheid capitalist state.\n\nBundism was born out of commie Jews rejecting Zionism."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>pointed out the Volga Germans\n>>23\n>Also, Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>7\n>all the communist governments were full of Jews\nGive me the full gestalt on Jews in the Khmer Rouge"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nAn autonomous republic wasn’t some special exclusive thing for Jews. If you are using that as evidence of Jewish supremacy in communism then you’re being retarded\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republics"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>wasn’t some special exclusive thing for Jews\n>>23\n>Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast.\n\nYou're failing to justify your conclusions."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI’m not, you’re obfuscating because your point is retarded. Whats your evidence that communism is some Jewish supremacy idea? You didn’t know other ethnic groups got their own regions too or that the Bund movement was anti Zionist."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\n>Communism holds anti racism as one of its values\nNo it doesn't."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>You didn’t know other ethnic groups got their own regions too\n>>23\n>Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast.\nThese things were all well known. You need to explain why the German oblast was so tiny and ended up extinguished while jews with no far eastern history were given super Israel and it exists today, or why the GJLB was permitted to write death penalties for people vaguely mentioning anything less than positive of jews."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>the Jewish region was bigger!\nThis is a lame thing to point to as evidence and you know it.\n\nDo you want to make a pint or do you just want to shitpost? I’m trying to engage with you"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nNo you're not. You're dodging things you don't want to have to defend just to maintain your world view. It's obvious that they were a force of evil in the early USSR. You don't have to wear a monocle over a schmiss to see that."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nI wonder why Soviet Union in the 30s might have looked at Germans with suspicion anon... I guess we will never know!"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nYou just keep repeating the same incoherent thing over and over again and it doesn’t make any sense. Like just say your point, stop trying to be some cryptic faggot. You’re a fucking idiot with poor communication and reading comprehension skills and you have never read a book and fall for retarded conspiracy theories you see in bitchute videos"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nIf we're talking casualties inflicted,then they had equal reason to view jews with suspicion."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nEvery point you have made is stupid and based on your complete ignorance of the topic and when this is called out you just offer up some bullshit excuse. You come across as the sort of retard that doesn’t brush his teeth for days at a time."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>You’re a fucking idiot with poor communication and reading comprehension\nYou're projecting. I just want you to respond to the historicity aspect. The Germans had been on the Volga a long time. It is rightfully theirs. The jews had no connection with super Israel yet they maintain it nominally today. You're on a history board ffs. Use a historical lens instead of a rabbinical one for five fucking seconds you bad faith denialist. Doesn't matter of the GJLB had some anti Zionist members,they behaved like supremacists."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nI think you're projecting again. I literally use whitening strips and get compliments on specifically that. This is the hazard of arguing personage on an anonymous board. Now you just look like a pathetic cretin shadow boxing against someone you've imagined and who you can't even comprehend."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Doesn't matter of the GJLB had some anti Zionist members,they behaved like supremacists.\nNo retard, the movement itself was rooted in anti Zionism. You faggots always make such a fuss about being silenced and whatnot and the moment someone offers to hear out your argument you completely shit the bed.\n\nYou’re a lazy idiot"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>22\n>What bitchute video did you learn this from?\nI'm sitting here laughing about how you can't even wrap your head around the fact how someone can even be doing independent research.\nYou're in fact inferior to me in much the same way a child of three years is inferior to an adult.\n\nI've been perusing the historical archives of countless governments, NGO's, newspapers and museums in half a dozen different languages, not to mention all the religious scripture.\nI do also read books on history and listen to interviews with historians and the like, but I'm mainly interested in primary documents, or at least translations thereof.\nI know this sounds crazy for someone like you who got all his \"knowledge\" on history from TV, public schools and whatever schlock you found in Walmart's book section, but historians tend to write a lot of BS, especially on politically controversial topics that could see them getting dropped by their publishers, not to mention getting imprisoned (if they live in Europe or Russia).\n\nRelations between the USSR and Israel were in fact very friendly, up until Golda Meir visited Moscow and Stalin got the impression that the local Jews seemed to feel a greater connection to her and Israel than to him and the Soviet Union.\n\nThe existence of Jews who were opposed to the foundation of a Jewish state at the time is hardly an unusual thing, there were both religious and strategic considerations involved. Religious anti-Zionist groups like the Satmar Hasidim point to Tractate Kesubos, folio 111a as forbidding the Jews from trying to immigrate to Eretz Israel en masse. From a more secular standpoint, many Jews feared that a Jewish state would make Jews more vulnerable, because it exposes them as potential agents of a foreign government - which of course was proven true by the Lavon Affair and many other such cases."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>22\nyou find a Jew inside some communist movement\nNo, you disingenuous fuck, I'm pointing out the vast overrepresentation of Jews in Communism throughout the world, including by obscenely rich Jews who would have to fear being the prime targets of the murderous Communist revolutionaries if Communism were actually the racially egalitarian worker's movement it purports to be.\nThis enormous involvement in Communism is an easily proven historical fact that is also acknowledged by many Jews (such as Theodor Hertzl in his book Der Judenstaat) and Judeophiles such as Winston Churchill, who wrote this article about it:\nhttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism\n\nThe fact that the death penalty was administered to people who sought to defend themselves against Jewish aggression shows that it's perfectly in line with the Noahide Laws, the violation of which by any non-Jew carries the death penalty. This is discussed in the Talmud, tractate Sanhedrin, around folios 57 through 59, and many other places throughout the Talmud and other works relevant to Jewish religious law."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>22\nBut I'm curious, how do you square your naive idea that the Jewish Communists were all true believers in anti-racism and workers' rights and all that jazz with the fact that the revolutions in Russia and China were supported by super wealthy bankers like Olof Aschberg, Israel Lazarevich Gelfand, Meir Henoch Wallach and Goldman Sachs; all of whom were Jews?\nWhat's more likely, that these highly intelligent wealrhy bankers financed movements that were against their own self-interest out of some kind of altruistic love for the Communist ideals, or that the non-Jewish Communists were just useful idiots who played right into the hands of self-interested Jews?\nI'm sure even you will acknowledge that the German government escorted Lenin into Russia not because of they were feeling such empathy for the plight of the Russian workers, but because they wanted to harm Russia. So why not acknowledge this simple fact when it's Jewish elites using these tactics instead of German elites? (apart from that, it was actually a Jew who convinced the German government to send Lenin to Russia)\n\nWhat do you make of all the Jewish Trotskyites like Irving Kristol, who suddenly changed hats and became \"neo-conservatives\" and advocated non-stop for wars against Israel's geopolitical enemies such as Iraq? To me it's obvious that they never gave a rat's ass about either \"helping the workers\" or \"defending conservative values,\" they just see these ideologies as convenient vehicles to gain power and make useful idiots like you do the dirty work for them."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>>43\n>there are Jewish people within communist government\n>this means communism is actually a secret Jewish supremacist ideology\nThis is what your entire argument is and it’s retarded.\n\nYou also haven’t explained how the Bund movement was anti Zionist, yet communism is supposedly Jewish supremacy."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>30\nactually it does simply by rejecting the racist metanarrative in favor of the Marxian class based metanarrative"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nYou haven't answered a single one of my questions, subhuman. You just went right back to falsifying what I said and ignorung all the points about Communism's support by Jewish bankers and the German government.\nI'll take that as a tacit admission that you don't have any answers to them.\n\n>You also haven’t explained how the Bund movement was anti Zionist, yet communism is supposedly Jewish supremacy.\nI have pointed out in >>41 in so many words that it is a retarded question, asked by a retarded person.\nThere is no inherent contradiction in being antizionist and being a Jewish supremacist, especially not during a time when Israel did not even exist yet.\nSatmar Hasidim are just about the most supremacist Jews in existence, and they're against the state of Israel even to this day."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nright, unless the race in question is deemed \"reactionary\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nThat's simply a personal opinion of Engels."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>4\nWhy are they like this?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nI like how both the commies and nazis hated slavs, makes sense."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nSlavs basically did more damage to the communist ideology than any other thing, I'm surprised they aren't considered prime enemies."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\n>You haven't answered a single one of my questions, subhuman.\nWhat question faggot? You just kept green texting the same thing over and over again like a retard. Learn how to communicate, just ask a question and then respond to mine.\n\nYou were strawmanning by saying the bund had “some anti Zionist memebers” when the whole thing was based around that, and saying that the Jewish autonomous region was bigger than the German one means anything is a retarded point and you know it."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\n>magyars\n>retained their vitality\nHere's your magyar struggle bro. What an embarrassment of a country."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>What question faggot?\nThere's a total of four question marks in >>43 ut given that you have already abundantly proven that youpre indeed a subhuman, I'm not surprised that you can't read. I wouldn't expect a three-year-old to be able to read either.\n>You just kept green texting\nI know it's hard for you to wrap your pitiful mind around this kind of thing, but you've been talking to more than one person."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarx is the anti-lenin."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>49\nIt's the thing with positivist ideologies, as it is purely idealist it's basis can be easily questioned by the next philosopher and branded as deviations or bastardizations of the \"purer\" ideology"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarx would be horrified on two accounts:\nFirst, that some Slavic retard would try to force his dialectic in a non-industrial society\nSecond, that the revolution would require a vanguard to 'properly educate the proletariat' on why the extreme measures were necessary.\nLenin really bent a lot of Marxs ideas and rules to make his system work when Marx expected it to be a bunch of angry mill workers in Wales or Hamburg saying enough is enough and changing the rules"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>12\nCottage industry integrated into a market economy. Trying to play these word games between Communism and communism/communalism is tiring."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>17\nBased."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nWhy is it that the group Marx actually thought would do the revolution is never the one doing the revolutions?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You can legally bed the woman your brother marries (Genesis 38:8)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly if he dies without having kids\nAnd you have to give her a kid, who will be legally your brother's son\nIf you pull out god will be angry, he might even strike you down depending on how important your bloodline is"}, {"id": 3, "content": "how many threads are you going to spam?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "What is the contradiction?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is a retarded disgusting lying tranny who tries to claim ownership of every woman with hair color darker than red or blonde through his disgusting self-insert rural retard character and he claims every remotely dark haired woman is the property of his disgusting self-insert retard and accuses me of \"adultery\" if I'm attracted to any woman with hair color darker than red or blonde because he claims they're all the wife of his retarded disgusting rural retard self-insert. God is the most putrid, retarded, evil deranged faggot that could have ever possibly existed. It would have been impossible for a more disgusting, retarded faggot to emerge from the immaterial world than God."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt’s a catch 22 because of your brother married a transgender then you would have to sleep with it in accordance to live by Gods law as put down in Genesis or else you wouldn’t be a true Christian. If you refuse you either have to admit you are repulsed by transgenders or else that you find some of Gods laws to be completely stupid and asinine. There is no way to answer that one if your brother is a homo."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You can legally bed the woman your brother marries (Genesis 38:8)\nthis has been the center of jewish culture for 5,000 years"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe funny thing is that if this were your brothers wife you would still be obliged to bed it by the strictest view of this verse."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nwhat a yenta"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nThat would not be a holly matrimony, therefore the mariage would not count in Gods eyes, so you wouldnt have to sleep with it"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nNo one cares about your opinion retard."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>>10\n>>8\nThe marriage is supposed to continue your brother's bloodline\nTroons can't have kids anyway, and my brother's marriage is invalid"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nIt is considered holy matrimony in the United ZOG states of Amerikkka."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nBut for real though, there are transgender Catholics here in the US. This country is all kinds of fucked."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd that’s a contradiction how?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nSee >>6\nIt’s a catch 22 if you are repulsed by your brothers wife yet claim to love God and to follow all of his laws."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nIt’s something very simple that is in the Bible which you can point to for Christians to start doubting because most people are probably repulsed by their siblings’ spouses and they would be disgusted with sleeping with them. It’s something crazy in the Bible you can point to and go “see how stupid this is. YOU believe this”"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBut not a contradiction right?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt’s a “contradiction” in the sense that it is something which most devout Christians nowadays would scoff at the idea of even doing even though it is a rule in their own holy book.\n>>unknown\nI’m talking about Catholics who consider mtf to be women yet would not carry biblical passages to their literal conclusion. You’ve likely never met those kind because they don’t post on here. They’re the kind you see in Tik Tok Pastor videos."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSo not a contradiction"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt's an ethical contradiction. It contradicts the worldview of modern \"christians\" who don't live by the word. It is NOT an internal contradiction of the text."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>the text\nRight, the bible\nSo it's not a bible contradiction"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nActually it does contradict the Bible too now that you mention it.\n\n>Leviticus 20:21\n\"If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing...they shall be childless.\"\n\nGenesis 38:8\n>Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIs a widow a wife?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nBrothers wife is used in both quotes."}, {"id": 26, "content": "CONTEXT"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Umayyad, bro?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nope\nخلافة قرطبة"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>UmaUmayyad, b-Ack!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Possess a mighty empire, stretching from Spain to Iran.\n>Empire collapses after overextending itself.\n>Remain a shithole for the next 1000 years.\nYou'd think they would be more foresighted and spend some of that plundered wealth on enriching their homelands."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>What are Abbasids\n>What are Fatimids\nNice cope"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAbbasids and Fatimids were the rump states of the Umayyad caliphate. The latter of which held back any development, and whilst the former tried their best until they got their shit kicked in by the Buyids. You can't argue against the fact that Arabia remained a sandy shithole for past 1000 years."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Abbasids and Fatimids were the rump states of the Umayyad caliphate.\nBigger doesnt mean better. Islamic golden aged peak during the Abbasids. It's not about hoarding shitholes.\n>You can't argue against the fact that Arabia remained a sandy shithole for past 1000 years.\nYes,after the Mongols annihilated everything. But that doesn't mean Arabia became a shithole instantly after the fall of Umayyads or Umayyads failed exceptionally."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nOkay, so aside from the Mongols and Ottomans, what other factors do you think caused Arabia to be so poor?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nBuyids were more accomplished than the Abbasids."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThe Mongols are one good reason why Arabia would be outpaced by the Kingdom of France"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Arabia\nYou mean Muslim? Mongols only conquered the Iraqi part of Arabia. They couldn't make anymore inroads into Arabia than that due to mamlukes."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Not like this..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\n>Around 746, Abu Muslim assumed leadership of the Hashimiyya in Khurasan. In 747, he successfully initiated an open revolt against Umayyad rule, which was carried out under the sign of the black flag. He soon established control of Khurasan, expelling its Umayyad governor, Nasr ibn Sayyar, and dispatched an army westwards. Kufa fell to the Hashimiyya in 749, the last Umayyad stronghold in Iraq, Wasit, was placed under siege, and in November of the same year Abul Abbas as-Saffah was recognized as the new caliph in the mosque at Kufa.\n>At this point Marwan mobilized his troops from Harran and advanced toward Iraq. In January 750 the two forces met in the Battle of the Zab, and the Umayyads were defeated. Damascus fell to the Abbasids in April, and in August, Marwan was killed in Egypt.\n>Some Umayyads in Syria continued to resist the takeover. The Umayyad princes Abu Muhammad al-Sufyani, al-Abbas ibn Muhammad, and Hashim ibn Yazid launched revolts in Syria and the Islamic–Byzantine frontier around late 750, but they were defeated.\n>The victors desecrated the tombs of the Umayyads in Syria, sparing only that of Umar II, and most of the remaining members of the Umayyad family were tracked down and killed. >When Abbasids declared amnesty for members of the Umayyad family, eighty gathered to receive pardons, and all were massacred. One grandson of Hisham, Abd al-Rahman I, survived, escaped across North Africa, and established an emirate in Moorish Iberia (Al-Andalus). In a claim unrecognized outside of al-Andalus, he maintained that the Umayyad Caliphate, the true, authentic caliphate, more legitimate than the Abbasids, was continued through him in Córdoba. It was to survive for centuries."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Some Umayyads also survived in Syria, and their descendants would once more attempt to restore their old regime during the Fourth Fitna. Two Umayyads, Abu al-Umaytir al-Sufyani and Maslama ibn Ya'qub, successively seized control of Damascus from 811 to 813, and declared themselves caliphs. However, their rebellions were suppressed.\n>Previté-Orton argues that the reason for the decline of the Umayyads was the rapid expansion of Islam. During the Umayyad period, mass conversions brought Persians, Berbers, Copts, and Aramaic to Islam. These mawalis (clients) were often better educated and more civilised than their Arab overlords. The new converts, on the basis of equality of all Muslims, transformed the political landscape. Previté-Orton also argues that the feud between Syria and Iraq further weakened the empire.\n>\"Iraqi (Arabs)\" are smarter though\nlol, lmao even"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nFaroook cope. Iraqis have higher IQ than Iranians when both are evaluated by neutral sources.Thats why your empire got so gloriously cucked."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Iraqis have a higher IQ\nThey don't considering all Arab diasporas in Western countries have a much higher dropout rate in high schools and secondary post education (colleges, universities, etc...) and as a demographic, have much lower affluence. If you think your \"neutral\" source is some retarded IQ test from 1948 which went around targeting most of its sample size in rural Iran, then you are retarded but then again most Arabs have a legit IQ of 80 from inbreeding. In fact considering you are an Ayyrab yourself most likely, you'd know also malnutrition, insufficient proteins and vitamins for development will affect a preadolescent child's brain development and skew an IQ test."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nThe Ummayads fell due to their conflict with the House of Ali and the extended house of Hashim. The Abbasids became leaders of a sect formed during the second fitna by Mukhtar al Thaqafi"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>All this Rook cope for getting conquered by Chaddams years ago\nDont Rooks have the smallest peens in Asia too after Mongoloids lol\n>If you think your \"neutral\" source is some retarded IQ test from 1948 which went around targeting most of its sample size in rural Iran\nHe also scored Iraq using these metrics and my shock when I realise that Rook want to discount sources that are before the times Iraq got zogged.\n>In fact considering you are an Ayyrab yourself most likely, you'd know also malnutrition, insufficient proteins and vitamins for development will affect a preadolescent child's brain development and skew an IQ test.\nGulf Arabs can buy your entire family you literal lentil muncher. You can only feel superior to countries torn to shreds by Zog. Keep coping all you want and Iran will never be Kuffar again."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nAnd I mean the main military force of the Abbasids were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims (Mawlis) were Persians which overthrew the Umayyads.\n>>18\n>no argument\n>obsessed with dicks\nTypical Arab schizophrenic. Can you explain why in a neutral enviroment (western countries/first world) why Arabs fail at the same standards of secondary and post-secondary education and income?\nCool."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Why did the Arabs waste manpower and time going west when the east was richer. If they had just LARPed as Alexander they could have gone all the way to conquer India and maybe even china. Talas is proof no one in the east could have stopped them."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>And I mean the main military force of the Abbasids were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims (Mawlis) were Persians which overthrew the Umayyads.\nWhat did they get as price? More Arab rule? More of a reason to bow to their Arab prophet? Nice cucks.\n>Can you explain why in a neutral enviroment (western countries/first world) why Arabs fail at the same standards of secondary and post-secondary education and income?\nMaybe because it was uppity well off rooks who fled Iran after Shah's take over while most Iraqi refugees are a product of active war."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Talas is proof no one in the east could have stopped them.\nExcept Chinese did stop them... their conflict with Arabs didn't stop after Talas. They also invaded India but couldn't have any significant success."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nArab loser cope, Iraq is a bitch, satellite state of Iran, arabs truly are incompetent, couldn't even defeat Iran in the 80s KEK"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nYet all arab states are shitholes with inbreeding and subhuman tier IQ and a simple state like Iraq couldn't even defeat Iran in its most weakened state, absolutely pathetic. My uncle personally executed mutiple Iraqis :))"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>satellite state of Iran\nDo Rooks really? Is that why Soleimani died got popped in his satellite state? Did you blow up your plane in the honour of this feat?\n>couldn't even defeat Iran in the 80s KEK\nHard to defeat hordes of child soldier on Rook propaganda with bombs strapped on them."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>Yet all arab states are shitholes with inbreeding and subhuman tier IQ and a simple state\nIraq has higher IQ than Iran.Rest of the arab countries except Yemen have IQs around Iran. Inbreeding is not much better in Iraq either.\n>My uncle personally executed mutiple Iraqis :))\nAnd my dad works for the CEO of Islam who asked America to bomb Soleimani :p"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\n>That pic\nNow watch it disappear into thin air!\n>Backing of all arab and western states, yet still lost the war and 500k dead a*ab subhumans\nMuh backing! Atleast Iraqis didn't send hordes of literal children to get cut down by gunfire. The war was stalemate anyways. So its still 1-0 little Rook."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\n>can't give a refutation still\nAh okay despite Iranians having historically much higher prejuice and discrimination against them vs Arabs, that must be the reason why Iranians are generally better educated, smarter, and far wealthier vs Arabs in western countries? Gotcha.\n>>27\nA Persian was literally the man who orchestrated the complete collapse of the Umayyads, direct successors of the Rashidun Caliphate. How poetic."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\n>And I mean the main military force of the Abbasids were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims (Mawlis) were Persians which overthrew the Umayyads.\nThats a persian nationalist myth. The Army was formed by khorasani arabs and Persians. I suggest you delve deeper into the subject."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nNot true remotely. Vast majority of the mawli were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims, and Arabs at no point in history ever constituted the \"majority\" of the sedentary or military aged population the Abbasids drew from in Iranian Khorosan (eastern Iran, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, etc...) at all at even the highest point of Arab colonies being set up in the late 7th to mid 8th centuries."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nA persian slave literally KO your pathetic Umar, hahah pathetic a*ab"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>>31\n>We chimped out like niggers and collapsed something as if we didn't live under centuries more of Arab boot\nBravo!"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>Most sucessful Persian strike against Islam was a seething slave that stabbed an old man in the back then committed suicide"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\n>yet still lost the war\nLosing the war is when your pedo supreme leader compares accepting a peace settlement to drinking a cup of poison after 90% of your territorial gains taken over nearly a decade get rolled over in less then a month\n\n>500k dead\nIndependent observers say Iraq lost around 150K while Iran lost upwards of a Million jej\n\n>absolutely garbage in all forms of warfare\nYour top general got turned into kebab and your \"revenge\" was spazzing out and shooting down one of your own airliners. Literally Africa tier"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>8\nhave you maybe looked into the possibility of it being poor because its a literal desert shithole?\n>but what about the levant and iraq\nunironically decadence, western intervention, and overreliance on oil in iraq's case"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\n>Rebel against the Arab Caliphate\n>It's in service of another Arab caliph, one with a stronger claim to the throne and direct descent from Muhammed\n>Get executed the minute the rebellion ends\n>Iran is still 99% Muslim"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Ummayads worst mistake was creating the conditions necessary to allow the Abbasids to take power, then get cucked by Turks and Persians desu. The Rashudin were all majoosi murder all day therefore they are the superior caliphate"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nPretty much lol. With the exception of Yemen and some trading areas like Oman and the red sea coast, the entire region has been poor and sparsely populated forever. Nobody lives there, nobody cares enough about developing it until the Saudis came around (because urbanizing the Bedou was the only way to keep control). Asking why Arabia is poor and underdeveloped is like asking why Siberia is poor and underdeveloped."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>the minute it ends\nThere was like 5-6+ years between Abu-Muslim Khorosani completely destroying the Umayyad forces in Khorosan and the surviving members of the family who weren't slaughtered after the Abbasids won and his death.\n>>32\n>chimpout\n>Umayyads are the ones who put into place the policies of preventing non-Arab converts to Islam\n>increasing taxations and fees on non-Muslims\n>increasing slaves in Mesoptamia to the point of the infamous Zanj revolt due to the influx of mass chattel slavery they were dependent on in Basra's ports\n>u chimped out\nRetard"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\n>Independent observers\nSource or your full of shit."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nPierre Razoux. He was there on the ground for the entire war, documented Saddam's worst atrocities and wrote probably the best book on the topic. A Euro so he had no reason to be partial to either side. Might be above your reading level though"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>15\nIraq is iranian vassal ruled by iran for 2000 years"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>Pierre Razoux.\n>as Euro\n>French\nDiscarded."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>36\nAli may as well be Iranian at this point. He's been the equivalent of ardashir or any other founding figure for iranian kingdoms Ppost 651"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>4\nTheir homelands were desert though, they were just even poorer steppenigs. Of course they moved to the settled fertile crescent."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>5\n>>What are Abbasids\n>>What are Fatimids\nYeah good question never heard of those"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>5\n>Fatimids\ndisgusting"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsure"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>20\n>s Alexander they could have gone all the way to conquer India\nArabs did conquer north India"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\nfersian pajeet cope"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njej"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Muhammad was a pedophile why did none of his enemies think to mention it? Isn't it a little strange that all the biggest enemies of Islam over the centuries never thought to use this as ammunition towards their claims that he was a false prophet?\n\nThen suddenly a bunch of English nationalists come along in the mid 2000s and start saying it as a matter of fact and harassing the Muslims with it.\n\nDo these British Christians in 2023 waving Enoch Powell quotes around think they know Muhammad more than those who lived in his time and those who preceded him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "because for 99% of history we understood that pedophilia is natural and healthy"}, {"id": 3, "content": "And how in the fuck would his enemies know he was into banging literal nine-year-olds? By fraternizing over some tea? Retard. They were too busy trying to kill each other. And even if they did know, of what use would that intel even merit? His own followers were completely fine with that abhorrent fact.\n\nAlso, are you doubting your own Sahih hadiths? Muslims and being ashamed of their own prophet: name a better duo."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTHIS\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_brides#\n\n\nFor example, search for cartoons about priest having sex from a century ago and nowadays."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> If Muhammad was a pedophile why did none of his enemies think to mention it?\nBecause it wasn’t taboo at the time"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If Muhammad was a pedophile why did none of his enemies think to mention it?\nBecause his enemies were also pedos.\nIt was a pedo time in a pedo region. Nevertheless, if Mohammed is supposed to be a timeless moral exemplar, moral relativism isn't a viable defense of his behaviour."}, {"id": 7, "content": "In the past, there really wasn't the same debate around this issue. Debauching young girls was considered wrong since it could ruin their lives (unwanted pregnancy, poor marriage prospects), but this was somewhat a separate issue from the question of the right age of marriage. In most societies, they had a sort of common-sense approach, it wasn't legislated, just understood in the same way as any other social norm. A girl was ready to be married when she could reasonably bear children and do housework, and this was usually obvious just from looking at her.\n\nObviously in the past, sodomy was considered sinful regardless of age, and sodomising young boys was simply more heinous because of their innocence. This is why very young boys were usually not executed if discovered by the authorities, because it was usually assumed that a corrupting, older pederast had led them into the sin."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were like bandits and raiders in the beginning, they killed innocent people all the time."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Obviously in the past, sodomy was considered sinful regardless of age\nMost Muslim societies didn’t care until very recently"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause even mudslimes rarely read their hadith and sirat, you retardditor."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmuhammad didnt deal with his enemies by debating them and claiming to be morally superior like christians; he would simply draw the sword instead. so the whole \"was our prophet REALLY a good and perfect person?\" discussion was never allowed to happen in the first place, at least for as long as his followers held a monopoly on violence."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>child brides\n>16-17\nWhy are prudes like this?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>Elites being degenerates fags means noone minded faggotry\nLol"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you know what the word \"pedophile\" means?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nPrude is compliment when you realise that only pedo,coomers and faggot trannies use it anymore."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nmuh elites muh elites\nStop projecting your American neuroticism about 21st century liberals into the past. historically it’s the middle classes that are moralfags, working class don’t care about sodomy"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn many cultures, it has been accepted that you became a woman when you had your first period. I believe the age of adulthood started to be delayed to what's accepted now around the 19th century."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>>Prude is compliment when you realise that only pedo,coomers and faggot trannies use it anymore.\n\n>>coomers\nFuck off, tradcuck you faggots call anyone who likes sex, masturbation, or anything related to them, that. Go back to bible class and leave the rest of us alone."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>muh elites muh elites\nNot an argument\n>Stop projecting your American neuroticism about 21st century liberals into the past.\nNice buzzwords\n>working class don’t care about sodomy\nImagine believing that. The poorer you are the more you are likely to hate faggots. The poorest countries are most hostile to fags."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>tradcuck you faggots call anyone who likes sex, masturbation, or anything related to them\nDumb animals ruining society. It was good times when scum like you used to die of aids."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>The poorest countries are most hostile to fags.\nOnly cause of western cuckoldry"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\nDo you think a 17 year old is a child?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan someone give me a fact check on why Mo' didn't ever marry a young girl so I can pwn some chuds?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nNice deflection. I am sure you could freely be a faggot in mediaeval Ethopia or Yemen lmao\n>>22\nMust draw a line somewhere"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n17 years + 364 days = child incapable of discernment ∴ woodchipper\n17 years +365 days = fully consenting adult ∴ get in line, boys"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nSorry but we have morals to uphold. You can wait a day more."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nPiss off tradcuck, you are obnoxious and your prudishness is boring."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nTake a shower you coomer sack of shit."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\n>>25\nThis isn't about 17 year-olds. This is about someone(a major world religious figure, specifically) fucking a 9 year-old.\n\n>>24\n>>26\nMost of the industrialized world has the age of consent at one or two years below 18 dude."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI already did, masturbating and/or fucking in the shower is really fun, you should try it sometime."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Reminder"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>Most of the industrialized world has the age of consent at one or two years below 18 dude.\nThere is still a line to draw.I would rather have people wait 2 years."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>Coomer only showers when he wants to fap\nThats either a lot of showers or very few. Going to be almost none anyways."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>4\nThis. OP is a retarded zoomer faggot"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nMy point is the insistence on 18 is retarded. Even within the US individual states typically have the line set one or two years before 18, and more importantly this is about someone fucking a 9 year-old. An act that is completely immoral by any sane standard.\n\n>>33\n>>a tradcon social outcast who likely doesn't shower himself is accusing others of not showering.\n\nPot meet kettle, I guess."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>17\n>the age of adulthood started to be delayed to what's accepted now around the 19th century.\nWhat I was talking about >>31"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>17\nIt is true that Muslims (and Jews too, historically) have tended to marry their women off younger than Europeans, and still do. And this is something that was remarked on, for centuries.\n\nBut because the whole post-19th century feminist debate about pedos wasn't as established yet, this wasn't used by Westerners as a line of attack against Muslims until relatively recently.\n\n(The perceived misogyny in general of Muslims definitely was, though. Western men have had a fantasy of liberating Arab and Muslim women from their cruel masters for a long time, and it was a common trope in 18th and 19th century European literature and art: The brave and manly, but also handsome and charming European enters the forbidden inner sanctum of the Moslem hareem to rescue women and girls who no doubt are endlessly grateful to their liberator and aren't shy about showing it through their sensual actions.)"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>It is true that Muslims (and Jews too, historically) have tended to marry their women off younger than Europeans, and still do. And this is something that was remarked on, for centuries.\nWhat are some sources for this? I would love to see some examples of Europeans during the early Islamic period criticizing Islam for this."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>20\nReminder that being asexual makes you a member of the LGBTQIA+."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nAnd hating spiders make you want to fuck them."}, {"id": 41, "content": "Assuming Muhammed was either not a pedophile or he was a lolicon and thats awesome; he still gives no cause for believing in his word\n> no well recorded and attested miraclous deed\n> no testable evidence for his God or his prophethood\n> weird autistic shit like doing a ritual five times a day in a certain pattern\n> obvious grifting for example giving himself more wives than need be\n> self aggrandizing like having his friends boast about his sexual prowess\nArabs are a funny folk. Sure, they fucked up the Greeks, Germans, Armenians, and Iranians among others; and they attribute their success to Mohamed's teachings. But then they get fucked by Turks, Mongols, Spaniards, Portugese, Dutchmen, Frenchmen, and Englishmen for centuries and now by Americans and Russians and Jews; yet it never crosses their minds that maybe their God aint real because begging him for aid in war hasnt been helping much in a thousand years"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThe Islamic world has been emboldened by their victories over the US"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Then suddenly a bunch of English nationalists come along in the mid 2000s and start saying it as a matter of fact and harassing the Muslims with it.\nIs that why Muslims themselves spent the 20th century developing a number of responses to it.\nThere's too many to list:\n> If you look at the context of the time it was okay, I'm totally not a moral relativist btw.\n>The hadith in question said she was older than Sunnis had believed for over well over a thousand years. Isn't it amazing how we discovered this interpretation just as soon as this belief of ours became questionable.\n>It was just done out of political necessity.\n>That hadith was actually a forgery.\n>etc.\nAt least the blatant pedophile apologists are at least not cowards, even if some of them are a little less than willing to defend it on a public forum."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nOne thing you'll find if you hang around Islamic communities is that they do not hold the Christian view of an all-merciful, all-loving deity. They will openly tell you that Allah can be wrathful and punishing and when something bad goes on in the Islamic world, they're satisfied enough with the explanation that they deserved it for whatever reason. That said, America has been a prominent enemy to much of the middle east, and they're currently sitting back watching American society circle the drain. To them, Allah is handling their enemies."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>37\nThe trope of the Christian Knight whisking girl away from a Muslim King's hands is a trope going back to the Chanson de jest (song of fun) of the High Middle Ages. The Arabs created the culture of Knighthood that we call \"chivalry\" and the Europeans adopted it following their meetings in Iberia and Sicily\n> pic related is from the Maghrebi Manuscript showing a troubadour entertaining women in a harem in Muslim Iberia"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n> watching American society circle the drain\nGood thing she's not taking Islamic society with her!\n> pic related is a rave in Arabia"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nB-but the Gulf States are a meaningless exceptions even tough they are the wealthiest and most influential countries in the Islamic world!"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>\"rave\"\nwhere the drugs tho? it isn't a rave without people slippin up on uppers and downers. i swear, zoomis these days, am i right?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nSaudi Arabia has been hosting events for foreigners as of late to distract from criticism of their regime, notice that the women in your image are Asians"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nYour women spread their legs for white men all the time."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>tfw you're so trad and anti-liberal that you become a tourist destination for foreigners to party in."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nIslamic law applies to Muslims, not kafir."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nThe only time a woman ever spread her legs for you was the day you were born."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nI like prone bone anyways. Muslimas with fatasses are perfect for it."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlthough it was completely normal and uncontroversial at the time, you could reasonably use it at as point of criticism in the present day.\nFrom a religious perspective, the Qu'ran is a timeless text with every aspect of it intended to be unchanging and applicable for all of history, likewise Muhammad is percieved as an entirely perfect person of whom it is the aspiration of every Muslim to live exactly as he did no matter what century they live in, therefore changing morals and taboos could not be as a defense in this case.\nThus one could see the Qu'ran as preaching that pedophilia is acceptable for Muslims even in present day society too."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nExcept Aisha's age is never mentioned in the Qu'ran."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>4\nPedophilia was never acceptable, in the west."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>likewise Muhammad is percieved as an entirely perfect person of whom it is the aspiration of every Muslim to live exactly as he did no matter what century they live in,\nBut such relations are not condemned within the book, and your response fails to recognize that he also said this:\n> likewise Muhammad is perceived as an entirely perfect person of whom it is the aspiration of every Muslim to live exactly as he did no matter what century they live in,"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nThe evidence is overwhelming that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>Molested a free child\nPretty sure Greeks believed Chidlren could consent and they had different definition of a child.Also\n>FREE child"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nAre such relations explicitly condemned within the Bible? Aisha's alleged age only comes from outside sources, none of which are agreed upon within Islam. It's simply not mentioned at all in the Quran."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>56\nRegardless, in Hadith that nearly all Muslims believe in, she is said to be still be a child or young teenage upon marriage and consummation.\nMost Muslims believe that those hadith are reliable and literally the word of Muhammad."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nSahih Muslim is a collection of hadith unrelated to the Quran. Islamic scholars have been questioning the authenticity and relevance of hadith since literally the beginning."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>in Hadith that nearly all Muslims believe in\nsource: extremely desperate kafir\nyou should be more concerned with the rampant abuse going on in your public schools and religious institutions than with theology you know nothing about"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nOk so why doesn't Quran make a point about Moham marrying an and railing a legal adult to make a point how ahead of time and good he was? Why doesnt Quran make any statement against Pedos?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>29\n>This isn't about 17 year-olds.\nI was referring to the wiki page about \"child brides\" where the majority of them were 16-17 years old."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>57\nAeschines says anyone who rapes a freeborn child is put to death — but he himself, in that speech, says he had relationships with boys lmao"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>26\nOr else?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>53\nNot even. He was C-sectioned."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>64\n>source: extremely desperate kafir\nSahih Muslim is considered the 2nd most reliable collection of Hadith\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_Muslim\n\n>you should be more concerned with the rampant abuse going on in your public schools and religious institutions than with theology you know nothing about\nDo you dream about Aisha's breast milk?\nI heard that the companions of Muhammad were allowed to suckle her when thirsty."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>65\nWhy would it need to make a point about the age of Aisha? If it was exceptional it would have been mentioned, all the more reason to believe she was of age. The Quran makes mention of treating children well and not harming them."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>Why would it need to make a point about the age of Aisha?\nBecause it would be ahead of its time.\n>If it was exceptional it would have been mentioned, all the more reason to believe she was of age.\nMarrying perfectly legal adults by the modern definition wasn't the norm back then.\n>The Quran makes mention of treating children well and not harming them.\nYou can say about your wife too."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>44\nHow would America circling the drain help the Arab w up pop oporld with their rampant incest and inbreeding rates and some of the lowest average IQs in the world? Arabs are experiencing the same genetic bottlenecking problems as Ashkenazi Jews, only on a much larger scale, and they don't have the intelligence to make up for their problems like Jews do."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>61\nI have no problem trashing the Bible for its extreme moral failings. As far as the outside sources are concerned, most Sunnis now and throughout history seem perfectly willing to accept them, and to still hold up Muhammad as the ideal man even after accepting them?\n>>62\n>Regardless, in Hadith that nearly all Muslims believe in,\nIf my memory serves me right, the Shia have always believed that she was older. As lame as I think the attempts made by Sunnis to justify it or explain the problem away are, it is actually more complicated than you're making it out to be."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>66\nAlright fair enough, but this thread was originally about Muhammed fucking a nine year-old."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>70\nthe point of hadith is that they are not fully reliable, some are more reliable than others (as you mention), many things in them are not deemed reliable and debate continues to this day over what is true and what cannot be true, including Aisha's age given contradictory accounts in various hadith (and no mention or hints of it in the Quran)\nthe Quran is what's infallible"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\nanybody living in a nation where people cannot define what a woman is has no grounds to insult the IQ of literally any other nation"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>Muh troons and fags\nThe raghead brownoids last line of defence. It would not reverse all the inbreeding Mohammad. Atleast troons solve half the problem themselves."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nget back to me when you figure it out and when you solve your widespread abuse problem in schools and churches"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>when you solve your widespread abuse problem in schools and churches\nNot noticing your problems doesn't mean they don't exist."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nwith the rampant islamophobia there would be constant headlines if Imams were caught in abuse scandals in the west, looks like it's a problem with your society, so fix it"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>with the rampant islamophobia\nOh no no no hahaha. Only 80iq Arap can believe this. Leftists do mental gymnastics to accomodate your savage kind into western society.\n>if Imams were caught in abuse scandals in the west\nHow many Imams are even in the west? Look at your Pisslamic shitholes and gather the stats if you dare. Pakis are also the most notorious rapists in the west."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nMuslims are barbaric savages that are treated with kid gloves by Western leftists. Islamophobia only exists in the delusional minds of sheep fuckers."}, {"id": 84, "content": "Ah, whataboutism.\n\nThe eternal friend of the islamic apologist."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\n>>83\nthey furiously typed, after returning from the latest drag queen story time"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nAh, hypocrisy.\n\nThe eternal nature of the westoid."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nWorry about yourself Mohammad. Only Chernobyl tier radiation would be able to change your genepool by the time tranny take over of the west completes."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>westoid lecturing anybody else about genepool\nyour genepool is so fucked that nearly everyone has to be heavily medicated all the time to ward off a wide array of mental issues and even with the meds they still think lgbwtfbbq+ is normal and should be celebrated"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>42\n1 million+ dead shitskins vs a few thousand dead Yankees, pretty good ratio all things considering, arabs truly are subhuman animals"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nsame cope you used after being humiliated by based rice farmers in vietnam, a loss is a loss fatso"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nWe dont have an average IQ around 80s and declining. Much easier to come back from political brainrot than caveman tier brain. Good lucking chugging rocks at kikes."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>86\nYeah, deflecting via accusations of supposed hypocrisy is how whataboutism works.\n\nAnd i'm not even a westerner, so seethe more with the barbaric mob system you call a \"religion\"."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>implying your IQ is actually high when most of you cannot define a woman and believe that men can get pregnant\nas if we needed any proof that the numbers are falsified"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>81\n>rampant islamophobia\nDelusional, whenever there is a terrorist incident mass media trips over itself to avoid \"islamophobia\", they also reduced coverage of the child rape gangs, upon your request, they wait on hand and foot for you.\n\nDo we have \"islamophobia\"? All we are doing is stating facts and logical arguments and explaining the immorality of your religion and your lack of ethics. There is little emotional about it, although there should be revulsion at your defense of literal child rape in a country that invited you here in good faith and pays your social welfare, I'm kind of desensitized to how fucked up the world is at this point.\n\nIt is just a fact that brown people rape children at far higher rates than white people and you also have those low IQs. It's genetic. It's just one of those things. Sure, some of you are intelligent and not pedophiles, but what difference does it make if you possess racial hatred towards ethnic white Europeans? What a horrible mistake socialists/progressives and boomer hippies made believing you are equal and trusting you would come to share their same liberal cosmopolitan values.\n\n>>85\nIt is the same people who bring their kids to drag queen story time that defend Islam. Boy are they going to be in for a surprise."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\nEven troon ideology is based on gigatons of mental gymnastics beyond muzzie cavebrain. It's good being stupid enough to not fall for psyops.\n>>91\n*Chucking"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>tfw too smart to not fall for psyops\nkek, absolute state of your cope"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nanon your own posted statistics show that the abuse is being done by westerners\nplease use that high IQ you all keep claiming that you have"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\nIt's weird that your attempts to criticize Islam always circle back to racial autism. Islam is not a race and there are plenty of White people who are Islamic. The Quran specifically speaks out against racism."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nSad reality of this world like how animals never commit suicide. Still better than having declining IQ tho"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nyour society increasingly buying into feminism, gender identity politics, liberalism in general all seem to speak to an IQ trend you'd rather not admit to"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nTalk to me about IQ when Durkas stop blowing themselves up and actually invent something."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nTalk to me about IQ when westoids stop killing themselves, figure out how to breed above replacement levels, and stop inventing new genders"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\n>Weak and mentally ill culling themselves is not a good thing\nOk Durka"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\ngiven the westoid rates of suicide, submission to feminism, and lgbwtfbbqsajdh+123 acceptance, your society must be majority weak and mentally ill at this point"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nBetter have 100 men to rebuild from than billions of caveman."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>45\nNope.\nSicily didn't create chivalry.\nThe kingdom of Sicily was possibly the most stereotypically chivalrous state to ever exist but it didn't create it."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>52\n>One of the strongest Islamic monarchies with Sharia law is a tourism whore for rich Westerner shekels."}, {"id": 108, "content": "Allah could have revealed to Muhammad the potential damage Aisha would have experienced we're not discussing revealing the genome to desert nomad. At least the Christians have Mathew 18:6 unfortunately the Vatican did not take note"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>98\n>Islam is not a race\nFor the typical 4chaner race and religion is the same"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>57\nits over"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>English nationalists\nsir please, they're basically liberals who just hate Islam because Muslims are mean to Jews and gays, and half of it is astroturfing by hardline Zionist Jews.\nActual English nationalists like Patriotic Alternative don't care much about Islam one way or another, they just don't want all those Pakistanis and Arabs in their country."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause\n1. Islam was a new religion\n2. Medieval Christianity didnt have full access to the Hadiths at that time, they were mostly exclusive to the Islamic World\n3. Medieval Christianity did not give a shit about the Hadiths or Muhammad beyond the fact his religion was just their religion but plus him\n4. Muhammad died before the Islamic Conquest of the Levant/Egypt so the Byzantines didnt care about him"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>98\nJudaism teaches that Christianity is the religion of the descendants of Esau, Islam the religion of the Ishmaelites, and Judaism of the descendants of Jacob.\n\nSo of course it's a racial issue, and if you disagree you're anti-semitic."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop spreading disinformation you ignorant nigger. Aisha was not 6/9, it's your blind adherence to false traditions that ruin the reputation of your religion."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>63\nWhat does \"sahih\" mean?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nIf, if, if, if, Aisha was 6/9 would it falsify Islam?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is a sensitive and controversial topic that has been the subject of much debate and discussion. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was married to Aisha, who was six years old at the time of their engagement and nine years old at the time of their marriage. It is important to note that at the time, it was not uncommon for girls to be married at a young age in many societies, and the marriage was consummated when Aisha was deemed physically mature.\n\nHowever, it is important to understand that the context and cultural norms of that time were different from those of today, and it is not appropriate to judge the actions of people from the past based on modern standards. It is also worth noting that the Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was not a unique or isolated case, as many other notable figures in history, including kings and religious leaders, have married young girls.\n\nRegardless, it is important to approach the topic with sensitivity and respect, and to avoid making sweeping generalizations or inflammatory statements. It is always better to seek information and understanding through respectful discourse and dialogue.\nRegenerate response"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nmohammed was a pedophile and pedophilia was normal back then, but momo is a timeless rolemodel. see the issue?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammed didn't exist."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>11\n>by debating them and claiming to be morally superior like christians\nsure thing, buddy"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why did none of his enemies think to mention it?\nbecause everyone was a pedo back then you dumbass. For the record, there's nothing wrong with pedophilia."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>116\nNo but it would make it a terrible religion"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhis enemies were desert warlords too"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\n>terrible\nWhat you mean, that you personally is in opposition to God?\nEither the claims of Islam is true or they are not"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>115\nIt literally means \"Correct\" but that would be a rough literal translation. Sahih Muslim basically means \"Muslim's collection of 'correct' hadiths\" Muslim is the name of the imam who collected them, correct hadith is a saying that most definitely linked properly to the prophet, by checking 'isnad' (chain of narrations) and 'matn' (the saying, or action done by prophet himself). It's a complicated process which many scholars disagree on, and I cannot summarize it properly in English unfortunately."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>20\n>It was good times when scum like you used to die of aids.\nI only have sex with women and I never use IV drugs so I would never get AIDS, faggot"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>74\n>If my memory serves me right, the Shia have always believed that she was older. As lame as I think the attempts made by Sunnis to justify it or explain the problem away are, it is actually more complicated than you're making it out to be.\nmaking her age lower fought shia claims that she was a whore. They probably didnt think about people 100 years later crying about pedos"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour prophet was literally a pedo m8"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>113\nArmilius is a 6th-century legend about Heraclius idk what he is about."}, {"id": 130, "content": "Reminder that here are NO theological arguments against child marriage. Its not sinful."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompletely irrelevant questions. It's simply a matter of fucking 9 year olds not being perceived as morally wrong in Islamic culture/religion/society while being so in the West. One will give way to the other in the future and as things stand it's looking far more likely that Islamic values will dominate Britain later in this century."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>6\n/thread right here honestly\n\nYes, child marriage was common back in those days which is why Mohammed was allowed to do it as well and clearly why no one objected. But the whole point of Islam and Mohammed is that it is the final religion and Mohammed's life the exemplary way to live because he was perfect and could not commit any immorality. So saying \"it was okay back then\" just means you think he was a common mortal following the rules of his time rather than a divinely appointed messiah whose god didn't think to warn him that future man might see his actions as immoral and unholy."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>117\n>Mohammed is a timeless rolemodel!\nYeah but he fucked a 9 years old tho...(Sahih al-Bukhari 5134)\n>It is important to note that at the time, it was not uncommon for girls to be married at a young age in many societies, and the marriage was consummated when Aisha was deemed physically mature!!!\nEven tho that it's correct that aisha is a creature that grew at such a fast rate that she had a body of an adult woman at nine, Muhammed still made it Halal for a 50 years old man to fuck 9 years old."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>12\nAngloid over compensation for sexual attraction to minors just see how actress like Brooke Shields Natalie Portman and Millie Bobby Brown had countdown clocks until they were 18 they always felt sexual lust for them but they (barely) hide it\n\nThank god that i was born in Brazil we are a bunch of libertine degenerates but at least we are honest about it"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\nIt really won't. Irreligious is growing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any REAL neopagan religions that start entirely from scratch instead of just being white fags larping as pre-Christian Greeks or Swedes? Creating purely new myths to explain reality, a new cosmogeny?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWicca is one"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNope, Crowley just ripped off Celtic and Germanic shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’ve got completely the wrong idea of how religions form. Nobody just makes up new myths and cosmologies. Myths and cosmologies are based on real events and experiences. Nobody would worship one of your fictional gods, because they don’t actually exist. Nearly every pagan deity does exist. These are real entities that can be interacted with and that can exert their influence on us. Even Christians don’t deny this, they just call them “demons.”"}, {"id": 5, "content": "There was dumb shit like theosophy but it was also monotheistic because muh christianity so meh."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Nobody would worship one of your fictional gods, because they don’t actually exist\nThe fucking sun."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBuddy, the sun is real. You just haven’t been outside in years."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nWicca wasnt Crowleys creation. It was that pervert nudist Gardener's.\nCrowley did Thelema which was more focused around more Eastern practicies from Egypt and Biblical peoples. Staying in a dark room eating nothing but bread and water praying to beelzebub or some demon of Solomon is not celtic or germanic. Dont think he ever references either. Wrote more about how he liked to smell the flatulents of some bitch."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nCrowley didn't invent Wicca, Gerald Gardner did. Secondly, no Wicca has nothing in common with Germanic or Celtic religion. The ditheism of Wicca is totally novel, although given that Caodai, Joseph Smith, and Gardner were deeply influenced by Spiritism you could probably make an argument that Wiccan/Caodai/Mormon marital ditheism is sort of just a logical Line of Flight for Abrahamic religion to take. If there's a God, and he's a dude, why can't he have a wife? After all, men on Earth have wives.\n\n>>5\nTheosophy is just Abrahamic Perennialism, I don't think that it counts."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nGreat minds think alike haha. Beat you too it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>If there's a God, and he's a dude, why can't he have a wife?\nHe's not a dude. His essence is beyond gender\n>After all, men on Earth have wives.\nMen need wives like they need food. God needs nothing because he is."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJehovah's Wiccans (JW), the 1st and Eldest religion."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nseethe"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Discordianism? Also some people take the Cthulhu mythos as fact, they have threads on /x/ on how to worship the Elder Gods."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScientology is the only one I can think of."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWicca is older than dirt."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe old religions weren't merely \"created\" as myths as such, they were internally logically consistent methods of explaining the natural world via supernatural means, because supernatural means were the only way to explain the inexplicable (and in fact this is still effectively how modern science treats the biggest and smallest questions of the universe). They had to develop over a long, LONG time, and they weren't simply written down on a list the way Lovecraft pulls weird names out of his ass for a story.\nThe reason why there are no \"real\" neopagan religions is because it is impossible to escape the cultural continuity of several thousand years of social tradition. Nothing can develop in isolation anymore the way the world is globalized and connected. Abrahamic faiths have taken root in the West and most of the East, with the remainder being driven by Hinduism or Buddhism or traditional faiths. These are inescapable and inexpugnable. They inform every element of culture, whether atheists like to admit it or not, and this means that all \"new\" religions can only exist as contrarian antitheses to these, which is no way to create a religion at all, and in fact results in exactly that: no real religion at all, as can be seen by the fact that virtually all LARPagans are just atheists dancing around in such a way to make Christians angry.\nFor better or worse, new religions cannot form, at least not without a major demographic catastrophe that completely upends the global paradigm, and I'm talking something REALLY big, bigger than a nuclear war, which is obviously something nobody sane wants to occur."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\n/Thread and OP confirmed for Christian LARPer lol even he thinks his religion is made up"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>crypto-muslim palamist heretic gets butthurt at being confronted with scripture\nTypical."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhat?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>>8\n>>9\n>>16\nWicca was almost completely novel, but Gardner pretended it was an ancient tradition\n>>15\nScientology seems like the best example. In contrast most other new religious movements and cults were explicitly based on Christianity and or Eastern traditions. Ultimately age gives you credibility when it comes to religion, pretty much everyone wants to at least pretend they have some 2000 year history"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"Spain\" as a country didn't exist back then. The Muslims were just as legitimate to live in this land as the Christians were.\nThe ugly truth is that the Reconquista was a war of conquest and the antecedent of European colonialism. What did the Spanish do immediately after the Reconquista? Yes, they went to America and conducted a genocide on the native population while destroying their culture. Then the French and English would imitate them.\nThe Reconquista isn't a war of liberation (an anachronism, for the middle ages), it's a war of conquest of Christians against Muslim. Period.\nBeside don't you find that odd? Somehow there's no problem with the Arian Wisigoths who came from Scandinavia hundreds of kilometers away from the Iberian peninsula but with the muslim berbers who lived just 30 km away from Spain suddenly they should be treated like invaders, isn't that weird?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Chronica Prophetica (\"Prophetic Chronicle\") is an anonymous medieval Latin chronicle written by a Christian in April 883 at or near the court of Alfonso III of Asturias in Oviedo. It uses the dating system of the Spanish Era and is essentially an interpretation of the prophecy concerning the fate of Gog found in the biblical Book of Ezekiel. To the anonymous Asturian, the destruction of the Emirate of Córdoba is closely linked with the end times. According to Kenneth Baxter Wolf in the introduction to his translation, \"The fact that Asturian armies at the time were taking advantage\" of the weakness of the Umayyad emirate of Córdoba and \"raiding deep into Muslim territory accounts for the overly optimistic estimates of the imminent Christian domination of the peninsula\" in the Chronica Prophetica."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Spain is under Christian rule\n>Christians lose control of Spain due to a war of conquest by Muslims\n>Spain is under Muslim rule\n>Muslims lose control of Spain due to a war of conquest by Christians\n>Spain is under Christian rule again\nYup sounds like some reconquest occured"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause muslims are subhuman scum and they don't belong to anywhere."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Muslims were just as legitimate to live\nSee, that's the thing, they aren't."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Reconquista doesn't make sense simply because by the time it ended, Muslims had been living in Al-Andalus for 7 centuries and the \"Spaniards\" were descendants of Gothic invaders themselves who conquered Spain from the Romans. This is like Americans and Mexicans fighting over who has \"rightful claim\" of the American Frontier when they're both just mystery meat occupiers of native land."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSpics have nothing to do with visigoths save a couple of noble houses.\nAlso, iberians converted first and voluntarily to christianity and to islam by force. Then they were by force again converted to christendom."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">i-it didn't exist\nThe natives existed long before the idea of the Ummayads did."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"Spain\" as a country didn't exist back then\nAs a concept it existed since 4th-2nd century BC, Hispania/Iberia. As a country it existed since 6th century, a whole unified Christian kingdom populated by Hispanics and ruled by Visigoths.\nThe Reconquista was originally called the Restoration by Spanish kingdoms of Middle-Ages, the restoration of Visigothic kingdom that for centuries ruled the peninsula.\nLocals fought to expel the invaders whose bulk of supporters were colonists brought from Muslim Asia/Africa, people totally unrelated to Iberian peninsula, neither by blood, culture, geography or religion, and at the end, they did it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSo if the native population in the USA wasn't just 100 people from the same family in Arizona, would you say it's justified for them to launch an uprising to topple the USA?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>so if [unrelated nonsense]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Reconquista was a war of conquest\n>conquista\n>conquest"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nIt's directly related nigger. Don't dodge the question. Here let me simplify it for you\n>the natives existed before the Ummayads did\n>the natives existed before the USA did"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nIt probably would but they don't have the mean to do it so who cares."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuslims had no business outside Arabia, islam is arab supremacy and they raped whole people out of existence or brainwashed them into thinking they were arabs"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if you judge this tribal conflict from a modern perspective of liberation it's anachronistic\n>wow, this conflict was pointless from the modern perspective i just undermined, you shouldn't have fought it\n>looks like i win"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\n>>7\n>>8\nMuslim conquest is good because Islam is true.\nChristian conquest is bad because Christianity is false.\nSimple as."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIf Islam is true why do muslim countries suck?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nIf this is true then why did Muslims get kicked out of the important parts of Europe and ruin every single other region they weren't expelled from?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>>19\nyou niggas say shit like this as if Islamic nations weren't also colonized and experienced constant meddling in their affairs by foreign intelligence agencies all throughout the cold war\nthe moment shit starts actually looking up for a country (Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam, etc) they coincidentally do a 180 and get fucked by things outside of their control"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>you niggas say shit like this as if Islamic nations weren't also colonized and experienced constant meddling in their affairs by foreign intelligence agencies all throughout the cold war\nWhere was allah then?\n>the moment shit starts actually looking up for a country (Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam, etc) they coincidentally do a 180 and get fucked by things outside of their control\nIt goes before that."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nDon't be so dense to think that OP image was the statu quo during 7 centuries."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>you niggas say shit like this as if Islamic nations weren't also colonized and experienced constant meddling in their affairs by foreign intelligence agencies all throughout the cold war\nIf Islam is so great how was this allowed to happen?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot to mention the \"Christians\" before were largely Arianists."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nIn January 587, Reccared renounced Arianism for Chalcedonianism, the single great event of his reign and the turning point for Visigothic Hispania. Most Arian nobles and ecclesiastics followed his example, certainly those around him at Toledo, but there were Arian uprisings, notably in Septimania, his northernmost province, beyond the Pyrenees, where the leader of opposition was the Arian bishop Athaloc, who had the reputation among his Roman enemies of being virtually a second Arius. Among the secular leaders of the Septimanian insurrection, the counts Granista and Wildigern appealed to Guntram of Burgundy, who saw his opportunity and sent his dux Desiderius. Reccared's army defeated the Arian insurgents and their Catholic allies with great slaughter, Desiderius himself being slain."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nHoly shit this one's retarded\nHis parents are probably siblings"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\nThe \"Muslim\" countries of today suck because they're ruled by apostate govs who have abandoned the Sharia in favor of French and British laws.\n>>19\nAs a punishment, as a test, or both.\nYou'll find that the elites of Al-Andalus had become quite decadent toward the later centuries, preferring wine and hunting over religious study and battle.\n\nAll Muslim history can be reduced to a simple algorithm:\n>Muslims by-and-large adhere zealously to Islam\nVictory and dominance after a generation of fighting\n>Muslims turn away from Islam, seeking honor in heresies or through secular metrics\nHumiliation and subjugation"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>6\n>and the \"Spaniards\" were descendants of Gothic invaders themselves\nThe Visigoths were cucks who converted to Islam to not lose their privileges. The Reconquista was done primarily done by Hispano-Romans and the Basques."}, {"id": 29, "content": "makes perfect sense because fuck heretics and fuck you"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>You'll find that the elites of Al-Andalus had become quite decadent toward the later centuries, preferring wine and hunting over religious study and battle.\nGiven that in their last centuries, they were without fault being ruled by Maghrebi psychotics and proto-Salafists no I didn't find that. Granted most of their defeats were under the taifas but the nafris didn't manage to rout the Christians even once. Hell, Navarra's coat of arms is literally just the spoils of war they got from the battle of Navas de Tolosa. There was no victory over the Christians when the magrebhis ruled only mitigation until the next taifa period."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what's your comfort /his/ material? you know, that history book/show/game you know backwards but still go back to consoom every once in a while?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStronghold Crusader & Med II TW"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*posts fiction*\nthis fucking board."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSabaton songs, I don’t care if it’s cringe it’s fun."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt’s fiction about history numpty"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad.\nHistory books are already alternate history."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nUm bot bros? Take your meds"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Europa Universalis, but not sure if it counts with all the updates\nif it doesn't, then Rurouni Kenshin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How the fuck was this supposed to work?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHad the Germans and Hungarians not been there in such large amounts (and thus lead to separatism) it would have actually worked fine. This is what happened after WW2, but unfortunately it got struck by commies so a fully functioning Czechoslovakia was out of the question"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nNo this but unironically. Czechs and Slovaks are very similar culturally and have always gotten along. When Czechoslovakia was divided, many referred to it (and still do) as a \"mutual divorce\" and the countries still like each other today. Literally one of the very few examples where 2 ethnic groups in the same country don't want to fucking kill each other constantly"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nFYI most Slovaks were either apathetic or cheered Hitler on when he invaded Prague. Many Slovaks were very unhappy with living under what they saw as a Czech-dominated state, the main reason there wasn't a strong independence movement was just that they feared to be gobbled up by the Soviets and/or Poles if they start shit."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nThen why didn't the Allies try to exploit it in 1938, when Hitler was trying to start the war? UK, France and Czechoslovakia could have easily defeated half-militarized Germany even without Stalin's help, which he was more than willing to provide. If the Allies really wanted to destroy Germany for good, September 1938 would have been the best time to strike. Instead, they just got on their knees and sucked Hitler's flaccid dick for a week."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Ugh, what could have been..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nIt literally worked. We kicked out all the Germs by force and...\n...and we got taken over by the commies."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnti-revisionist pact across Europe consisting of France, Soviet union, England and Poland. Poland went to pursue their intermarium delusions and thus Europe was gobbled up by Germans and subjugated by Soviets and Americans."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nFYI there were anti-Czech sentiments, but the state of Slovak politics in the late 30s was the result of a soft coup."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>the main reason there wasn't a strong independence movement was just that they feared to be gobbled up by the Soviets and/or Poles\nThe fact you didnt say Magyars points out your ignorance. In fact there was a strong independence movement but it was not supported by majority of people simply because majority of people was not interested in ideology associated with that independence movement."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSlovakia was also called \"Upper Hungary\" for ages and at one point it was majority Hungarian I believe (don't quote me on that). Literally the first Slovak state to ever exist was founded by the Hungarian Communists in 1919, and even then people were surprised at the move because Slovakia had always been part of Hungary at that point. I've never found any source that explains why they actually founded a separate Slovak republic instead of just integrating it into Hungary like most Hungarians wanted to"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>I've never found any source that explains why they actually founded a separate Slovak republic instead of just integrating it into Hungary like most Hungarians wanted to\nMaybe because they were commies and thus maybe more willing to tone down on Hungarian irredentism."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI think Bela Kun's autism led to him thinking that making as many Commie states as possible was a good idea to spread the revolution."}, {"id": 14, "content": "The perfect borders do not exi..."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSorry, but we'll keep our foreskin thank you very much."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nJesus, looks like a sick dog taking a really stringy last and final shit right before it dies"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThats what happens when a large state of different ethnic, cultural and religious groups collapse.\n\nIt breaks down into smaller states who then begin to fight because demography does not represent the drawn borders.\n\nAustria-Hungary\nJugoslavia\nSoviet Union\nOttomans\n\nA very interesting part of ww2 is that out of every nation that seized land from Germany in the Versailled Treaty, Hitler claimed back all of them, except for the German territory given to Denmark.\nThe Danes didnt fool themselves. Altough Germany was defeated in ww1, Denmark knew that Germany would remain a powerful force not to be neglected. The Danes thus wanted their annexation of German lands to be as legal as possible to prevent any future conflict, and so held a vote across all the new territory for the people to decide wether they wanted to be Danish or German. Roughly half voted German and so Denmark returned the annexed land back to Germany, something which upset the allies a lot.\n\nDuring the occupation of Denmark in ww2, nazi germany did not try to take back the land which had been part of Germany that had voted to be Danish."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame people"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow the fuck is this supposed to work?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Czechs are Germanized Slavs\n>Slovaks are Magyarized Slavs\nThis was the Slavic version of Austria-Hungary lmao"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nIt's not supposed to, but somehow they still manage."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about the Bolshevization of Central Asia. How did the Communists succeed in pacifying and converting the Muslim population who were openly hostile to integration within Russian structures (anti-conscription Basmachi revolt spiraling into pro-autonomy then pro-independence movements) especially the nomadic population which were very hard to control?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Kings (Tsar) of the past had built great forts (Kremlins) in Eurasia from where his men could go out to raid and go in to hide. Add\n> superior firepower and manpower that the communists had\n> communism was increasingly popular among some Central Asians\n> communists simply bribed people with food, cloth, and cash to win them over\nThe Central Asians that fought the communists were doomed.\n> pic related is the Soviet film \"White Sun of the Desert\" about a Soviet soldier and his harem of Central Asian qts\n> available on youtube with subs in hd"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BB%D1%8C\n> wiki article about kremlin (citadel or castle)\nThere are many forts across Eurasia and just as the Normans used these forts to hold lands in Britain, Ireland, Normandy, Sicily, South Italy, Morea, and elsewhere; the Rus Normans did the same. I can say that building forts to garrison with retainers (troops or servants (pages or squires) retained or kept in service) was how landlords throughout the world held their lands. Kremlins were built in towns for this cause"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Not strictly what you asked, but a documentary made during the cultural revolution in China about the Uighurs.\nhttps://youtu.be/0haLc9A4z4o?t=284 [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStaying as a dirt poor nomad is not actually that popular\nIts hard to sustain an insurgency like that without substantial foreign support\nIt worked in Afghanistan because of constant inflow of foreign terrorists and supplies"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like when Kazakhstan was in the USSR even after everyone else, including Russia left"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWould have been extremely kino if they stayed the USSR as a sort of government in exile\nKazakhstan with a permanent UN Security Council seat"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1. Bolshevizing the Russian settlers already living in Central Asia\n2. Shooting non-compliant Central Asians the same way their grandfathers' had\n3. Promoting sedentary agriculture for Central Asians and thereby weakening the \"reactionary\" Central Asian nomadic lifestyle"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIt would just be a repeat of what happened to Taiwan, i.e. Russia would keep the seat and Soviet Kazakhstan would get kicked off"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\"Taiwan\" had that seat for decades"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>2. Shooting non-compliant Central Asians the same way their grandfathers' had\n>3. Promoting sedentary agriculture for Central Asians and thereby weakening the \"reactionary\" Central Asian nomadic lifestyle\nThey did those two by starving people. The Kazakh Famine of 1930-33 was far more deadly per capita than the Holodomor and succeeded in making Kazakhs comply with collectivization as well as turning them into a minority in their own country."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nOnly because of Cold War autism and the increasingly-faint hope that Chiang could still retake the mainland; there would be nothing similar for the USSRK, not even China would risk a diplomatic spat with Russia for the sake of keeping Kazakhstan on the security council."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nRussians are so gross and act just like barbarian muzzies"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nUzbeks and Tajiks were sedentary farmers.\n\nThe Kazakh, Kyrgyz and Turkmen were nomads."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nTajiks and Uzbeks were sedentary farmers before any Russian entered Central Asia.\n\nUyghurs were also sedentary farmers.\n\nStop thinking Central Asian=nomad."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHui Muslims in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan sided with the Commumist Red Army against the Turkic speaking Basmachi Muslim rebels."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did the Soviets see it as necessary to invade Afghanistan to stop an islamic domino effect in their own republics?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nEven Iran plan on invading Afghan land but never execute."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\n>>2\nIt really is funny that no matter how much the early Bolsheviks tried with their indigenization commissions and railing against Great Russian chauvinism they still ended up just being the Russian Empire but eccentric and red.\n>>1 (OP)\nNomads are actually very easy to control and wipe out when you are a modern state. Even African countries (ok, kenya) are currently fucking up their pastoralist tribes nowadays.\nUnlike pre-modern nomads who'd just fuck off and move to somewhere in the immensity of the desert and you'd have no idea where they went. Nomads now are constrained by the borders of Westphalian entities and the fact the army can just follow them by train and gun them down wherever. Plus you can kill them with modernization, which is to not antagonize them directly but to neuter them and settle them."}, {"id": 20, "content": "They did it by wiping out over half of them"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nFor the last time Uzbeks and Tajiks are not nomads. Neither are Uyghurs.\n\nOnly Kazakhs, Karakalpaks, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmen are the fully pastoral nomads."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nWe are speaking about all of Central Asia not only the fucking Ferghana Valley you sperg."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">i’m the son of god and also god himself, chuds!\n>why yes i will not give any proof for my existence to future generations.. just believe in me!\n>why yes god allowed me to get killed by the romans at the behest of my own jewish brethren.. but it is YOUR fault because I died for YOUR sins even tho you were not even born\n>no i dont know my real dad and yes my mom was fucked by some random guy but she’s not a slut, god fucked her!\nkek how do people take these schizo ramblings seriously"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're afraid of hell ig"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGee, I wonder. It's not like the entire faith hinges on existential blackmail or something..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you actually just not know what you’re talking about, or are you pretending to be ignorant on purpose"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Myself, myself why have I forsaken me-ACK!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">I am not a cuckold, alright? I am in a monogamous marriage with Mary...who has sex with YHWH"}, {"id": 7, "content": "you need to be over 18 years old to post here"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nNobody can pretend to be foolish, it has to come naturally to him."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>I look forward to when a Jewish Messiah will appear and rule all the Goyim from mount Zion and all the nations will worship Hashem"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nhe converts to muslim alhamdullah he will never be a cuck again"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation? I just find it difficult to comprehend why farm boys from Ohio and Pennsylvania would risk their lives for such abstract concepts. It also seems to me as an outsider that America really isn't the racist country it's made out to be."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe majority of abolitionists were from Massachusetts. The \"boys from Ohio\" along with many others were fighting to prevent the country from being torn apart in two.\nLikewise in the South, a majority of the successionists were from Alabama. There is a famous quote from a captured Confederate soldier who said when asked \"Why are you fighting?\" His response was, \"because you are down here fighting.\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation?\nYes actually they were. But mostly pragmatic - it was good money for a poor farm boy or immigrant.\n\n>It is estimated that of those who took part in the American Civil War, 75,215 were regulars, 1,933,779 were volunteers and 46,347 were drafted and 73,600 were substitutes. Over 250,000 men were honorably discharged for physical disability arising from wounds, accidents or disease in the service. Officially, 201,397 men deserted, of which 76,526 were arrested and returned to their regiments."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhy did they really care if the South went its own way?\n\n>>3\nOnly 46k were drafted? I'm really surprised at that figure. I guess the volunteers thought it'd be an adventure and over quickly."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?\nBecause letting half your country just leave is a nice way of inviting foreign powers control you since it shows you are weak."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?\nCotton couldn't grow in the north and the north wanted its artificially cheap tariffed cotton from the south to keep supercharging northern textile industry\n\nIf the south left they'd sell all their cotton to britain and the north would have to import from india and directly compete with the british empire (and would lose)"}, {"id": 7, "content": "at the start of the war not really in the sense of outright abolitionism, even in the Republican party the default position wasn't the total abolition of slavery but its restriction to the states it was already in. though it's safe to say most found it distasteful.\nas the war dragged on a lot of northerners came around to the idea that going back to the pre-war status quo was untenable, and they needed to solve the slavery debate which had consumed American politics for the past few decades once and for all.\nI don't really understand why popular opinion changing over time is so hard to grasp, imagine applying this nonsense to changing views about gay marriage/lgbt people in general over the past 25 years"}, {"id": 8, "content": "secessionist support was mainly found among the \"Cotton Belt\" states (MS, AL, GA, and SC) and not as strong elsewhere in the South"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nThe volunteered/drafted numbers are weird. Draft dodging throughout much of the war was widespread, through substitutes (who then could often enough desert with the money, and then, if they were THAT kind of guy, they'd look for someone who they could substitute again and desert again, and repeat, which could get be profitable) or by other means, and as you can see a lot of men deserted. The thing about the draft it that the main purpose it served was getting people to volunteer before they were drafted, which came with the benefits of honor and usually some pay bonus volunteers got. The draft would also come to every community because of how it worked with every place having its quota. So, while very few people were officially drafted, much more became soldiers indirectly because of the draft, and you could even say they may have been de facto drafted. As a result it's difficult to gauge the true effect of the draft and how much of the Union army were true volunteers."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost people on both sides were just conscripts who didn't really give a fuck, see: the sky high desertion rates in the South and draft riots in the North."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>it was pragmatic\nso they didnt care?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Just read Yankee polemics. They thought they better than everyone in the south, black, white, purple. Sort of the typical Anglo enlightenment attitude for a lack of a better way to put it. In more ways than one."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\n>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?\nIf you decide the union is optional than the union ceases to exist. If the south was gone than it wouldn't be long before some other state was going to try and leave. And at this point the US wasn't exactly surrounded by allies."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\n>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?\nTo quote Abe Lincoln when asked why he didn't just let the South go, \"Where then would we get our revenues?\"."}, {"id": 15, "content": "The average farm boy from the Midwest disliked the general idea of slavery but wasn’t a rabid abolitionist. They hated the “slave power” that in their minds gave the south unfair political weight in national affairs, the idea of a plantation aristocracy seemed unAmerican, they wanted the western territories free without competing with slave labor and they worried about the darkies coming north of the Ohio River to take their jerbs and marry their daughters. When the war kicked off they were furious at the “traitors” who wanted to tear apart the Union and as the war went on more of them took an abolitionist stance, if nothing else as a way to cripple the south."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>anti-slavery\nYes - but mostly anti-slavery expansion. They wanted all new territories to be white ethnostates where free white men could go to make their fortunes in the West - instead of being bought up by plantation oligarchs who would bring masses of black people into the territories and buy up all the best land leaving poor white people with few opportunities. This (and not emancipation) is what Lincoln campaigned and won on in 1860.\n\n>pro-emancipation\n\nNot really. There was a sizable and vocal pro-emancipation population, but it was not a majority outside of parts of New England. Most people didn't particularly care that the South had slavery so long as it didn't impact them and were nervous that emancipation would lead to a flood of free blacks into their own states which they definitely didn't want.\n\nBy the end of the Civil War, though, the North was mostly in favour of abolition, but this was mainly a consequence of not wanting to risk the South starting another national crisis over the institution by removing it once and for all."}, {"id": 17, "content": "https://youtu.be/8dDpwZegm60 [Embed]\nLikewise, the average southern soldier had attitudes similar to this film clip. Memoirs like Sam Watkins’ Company Aytch don’t harp on slavery but a general sense of patriotism, centered on one’s home state as much as a nation-state."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation?\n\nAverage free state Northerners generally considered slavery to be wrong and now the issue was Northern industrialists talking about \"capital owning labor\" and how this would somehow be beneficial to the (objectively enslaved) urban workers who needed a paternalistic employer to preserve society, as they were just dumb drunken slobs little different from Black slaves in the South,"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>just find it difficult to comprehend why farm boys from Ohio and Pennsylvania would risk their lives for such abstract concepts.\n\nBecause there has always been people with functioning moral compasses\n\n>It also seems to me as an outsider that America really isn't the racist country it's made out to be.\nWe literally owned people bud\n\n>>2\n>Why are you fighting?\" His response was, \"because you are down here fighting\nYeah but see how that's fucking retarded?\n\n>>12\nThey were\n\n>>17\nAgain, retarded"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">deleted my post saying abolitionism wasn't a legitimate movement and is only retroactively applied to the civil war by historians\nneeto"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation?\nAbsolutely not. See pic related; the average Union soldier fought not for emancipation, but in spite of it. This is why all the major draft riots took place after the emancipation proclamation; they were upset the war had BECOME about slavery.\nThe average Union soldier fought to regain territory he felt his country (empire) was entitled to, and to punish those who would dare to leave his union for whatever reason.\n\n>>2\nLysander Spooner was an abolitionist from Boston, and friend of John Brown, who wrote 'No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority\" wherein he decried the war as an unjust Northern power grab with emancipation used as an excuse."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation?\nNo, not mainly.\nI mean the North was very anti slavery, as they feared that the South was imposing it's slavery on the north with the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision and the Fugitive Slave acts.\n\nBut abolitionism originally was more of a New England thing.\nThough most soldiers would come around to supporting it and the rights of Black people through the tens of thousands of escaped slaves who fled to the Union Army. The former slaves told their story, how they were treated, how it was like to be a slave. It was there that most Union soldiers realized that black people were people like them, and how awful their lives were in the south.\n\nAnd for decades on, Union veterans would be some of the staunchest advocates for equal rights"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavery was a controversial topic in church denominations across the United States and the debates, schism and violence meant you'd have to be under a rock to miss it. Baptists permanently split over a conflict on whether Baptist missionaries in Africa could simultaneously be slave traders, going to Africa with a hold of Bibles and back with human captives, with the SBC splitting when other American Baptists said no, with other denominations like the Methodists also splitting. Tensions were aggravated and preached about in churches across the country when denominations saw their southern clergy members being attacked for not supporting slavery. Texan Methodist preacher/missionary Anthony Bewely was hunted down and lynched for not joining the pro-slavery side of the split, with his body being desecrated and bones hung at a store for kids to play with.\nWilliam Henry Brisbane, a South Carolinan Baptist preacher and slave master was forced to flee north for his life to avoid lynching after he changed his mind, freed the slaves he'd owned and spoke in favor of abolitionism.\nThat kind of thing really drove wedges between churches in the south and the rest of the country.\nReally wish they'd finished Reconstruction and just radically reformed the south with land redistribution, mass armament of freedman and loyalists, and hanging every Confederate officer they could've gotten away with. Shame we'll have to finish the job of Reconstruction someday."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you actually look at what Northerners were concerned about it was much more focused on Southern treason than anything else. When the other half of the country starts murdering your people you tend to get mad at them. That it fell in line with abolitionist and Northern political and economic concerns was just an inevitable fortuity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Name one original thing about christianity"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis mosaic doesn't exist. You can't find it anywhere. Someone just put the painting through an AI filter."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo, the Roman mosaic is based on the 16th century painting."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYeah, my mistake, it's a 'reconstituted mosaic panel' with no provenance."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>i dont like it so its fake!\nSource?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Walmart churches"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe only source I can find is some auction site. It's not an in-situ, excavated mosaic, it's a 'reconstruction' obviously modelled on the painting.\n>https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Roman-Mosaic-with-Zeus-Commanding-the-Harpies/774-roman_mosaic-31.8.16-timeline\n\nThe funny thing is the painting is apparently modelled on a Roman sarcophagus, but it's nothing like the one-to-one match with the mosaic."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nyou can tell its fake, cause they made zeus yellow haired"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n/thread"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty sure there wasn't a prophet going by the name \"Jesus Christ\" before Christianity.\n\nCheckmate gaytheists."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nPretty sure there were other rabbis called Yeshua before ben Yosef."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\n>hey look at this claim\nyou have no source\n>what?! what do you mean i have no source?! youare a liar! you have to bring source for this!\nyou are a literal retard"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrinity.\n>inb4 he posts random instances of tritheism\nyou are so predictable\ntritheism is a heresy and it is not trinity"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nChristianity didn't exist in a fully distinct form until Jesus was already known as \"Christ\"\nCheck.\nMate.\nGaytheists."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nJesus didn't exist and is a jewish version of pagan dying-rising savior deities."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits been known for the longest that the depictions of god we know were just repurposed from Zeus"}, {"id": 17, "content": "It's a painting from the Renaissance. Paganism was all the rage during that time. Depictions that more closely follow Scripture doesn't have this issue."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What does /his/ think of Billy Graham?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "All American \"Christianity\" is plebeian and ultra cringe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">have a tool which grants you access to all of humanity’s information\n>on a board dedicated to discussing history on an international level\n>still want to talk about 1980s prosperity gospel good boy American Evangelicals\nFUCK THIS BOARD\nMAKE A RELIGIOUS BOARD ALREADY"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nb-b-but i wanna troll using stereotypes 40 years out of date? it will just be like my netflix"}, {"id": 5, "content": "meh they trolled SJWs so good enough for me"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThis IS the religion board"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nI wish Hiroshima would hurry up and make a /rel/ board already, they've been shitting up /his/ and /x/ for far too long"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nEvangelical Christians lived absolutely rent free in gays and leftists' heads all through the 80s-90s-00s."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nIf it is, then why can't people talk about current religious events?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>nooooo you can't talk about the history that interest you!\n>you have to make threads about stuff i wanna talk about reeeeeeee\nTouch grass."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't know much about him when he was alive.\n\nI didn't become an Anglican until after he died.\n\nHe's honoured on his birthday in the church bulletin."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThere haven't been important events since the early 00s"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngrifter"}, {"id": 14, "content": "He sold his soul when he delisted Mormonism as a cult from his website upon his endorsement of Mitt Romney's presidency in 2012. His book on Angels is ok."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets.\nLuke 6:26\n\nHe compromised a lot on the gospel in his later years, perhaps believing that softness would open up more people to his message. But, as we should know, the message of the gospel should never be compromised. That being said, he did a lot more for the kingdom of God than many, many others, so I still view him in an overall positive light for that."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nspineless\ncoward\ncharlatan\nliar\ntraitor\nTYPICAL CHRISTIAN\n\nHe's on tape discussing the Jewish control of the American media and how the Jews were dragging America into hell, and not only did he never speak out about it in public, when he was confronted about it 30 years later he pretended he had never said a negative word about Jews.\n\nhttps://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/662/conversation-662-004"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\ntimestamp(s)?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n28:40\nthe audio is pretty bad, and Nixon doesn't speak very clearly. There used to be a version with subtitles on YouTube, but the Jews took it down."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMagic jew worshipers are cringe."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nThat was just the moment he'd revealed he'd lost his soul.\nHe was lost before that.\nA Catholic or an Orthodox might enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but a Protestant cannot."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nDamn I missed that Bible verse. Which book is it in?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>>17\nthis video has a part of the conversation, along with a transcript\nhttps://odysee.com/@JustMe:05/President-Richard-Nixon-and-Reverend-Billy-Graham-Calling-The-Jews-'The-Synagogue-of-Satan':c"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nPresbyterians are very nice and pious people"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "isnt he technically in heaven?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "we're now entering the phase where you start posting about serial killers from your days of watching youtube videos, which is really your only area of expertise as a discord shitter"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nYou can butcher and rape his children and that's not insulting?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow would I know? I’m not God."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nonly God knows"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why don't orthodox christians make statues anymore?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because they stopped being basileioi and shieet"}, {"id": 3, "content": "His fingers do like\n>I catch you guys later lol\nLol"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIconoclasm hit their society like obscurantism bro"}, {"id": 5, "content": "No idea about the rest, but in Russia it happened almost on a whim during the Synodal era. It was that time when a bunch of Protestant influenced Ukrainians (Prokopovich, Yavorsky et al) took over the Russian church in the early 1700s with the help of Peter the Great. They brought quite a lot of changes, most notably the abolition of Patriarchy, none of which really had any solid grounds theologically. Banning sculptures and metal icons was one of them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be Adam and Eve\n>be in Paradise\n>God be like: nooooo don't eat le hecking APPLINO it's le BAD (even though I'm the one who created it and put it next to you)\n>Lucifer be like: God has made you ignorant of everything. If you eat this apple, it will give you knowledge about this world and make you realize that \"\"God\"\" is actually evil and enjoys seeing his creation suffer.\n>Adam and Eve use their free will and eat the apple\n>God: >HAHAHAHA you fell into my TRAP, should've LISTENED to me BRO now I will make you suffer FOREVER because I'm merciful n shiet\n>be transferred to this hellhole called Earth\n>God be like: you MUST listen to my bazillion rules or I'll make you SUFFER eternally with HOT FIRE n shieeet\n>Lucifer be like: As a human being, you were born free and you should enjoy this innate freedom, not live enslaved to a sky daddy."}, {"id": 2, "content": "When did you realize that the Light Bringer did nothing wrong and wanted to save humanity from the Demiurge?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nJesus is Lucifer rev 22:16"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nHe might ultimately still be self-interested, but if that means giving us assistance to resist Yahweh, then that's all in order. Business is business."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nEntertaining this kind of idea can destroy you. Be careful."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nWhat did he mean by this?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nLook up the Latin name for the Morning Star"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\n>It's okay if your father beats the shit out of you on a regular basis, he's your father and you must respect him"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Yeah, I can't stop questioning every single God's action. In any fictional story he would've been the villain. Let's hope for everyone's sake that Christianity isn't real.\n\nI genuinely wonder how Christians cope with all this stuff. Do they like block their minds and just not think about this too hard?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Lucifer be like: you should do things with negative consequences, because you have le heckin FREE WILL!! which means you can do anything you want (just don’t think about the repercussions bro trust me)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">tell you not to eat the apple or else you'll literally fucking die\n>eat it anyway\n>surprised you experience sin and death\nwhat the fuck were you expecting? \"haha it was just a prank, bro!\"?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThere was no death in paradise, how could they know what it means?\nNo wonder the religion is dying. Primitive iron age Semitic myths don't align well with modern morality."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>God: don't do this\n>you: do it anyways\n>face consequences\n>gOd wOuLd've beEn tHe viLlaiN"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>don't do this\n>people didn't know if obeying god is good or bad before eating the fruit"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nRicky mocks Yahweh by showing how the fires of hell have cooked an excellent chicken breast for Ricky to enjoy"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nHe's beating everyone. Humans, animals. Every living thing."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nRicky shows yahweh that he is invulnerable to the canaanite thunderbolts hurled at him"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n“Respect thy father and mother” is referring to your biological parents."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nHe's a vengeful autistic desert demon?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is a psychopath, than goodness for iron chariots"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was not an apple and it was no Lucifer. It was a \"fruit\" and a talking snake."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, Lucifer is cool. By Lucifer you mean Satan. Lucifer is from some poem.\nSecondly the snake in the Garden of Eden was a snake. It being the Devil in disguise is Christian head canon.\nGod didn't tell Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit because it's wrong when they have no concept of right and wrong because that's something they would have to obtain from eating the fruit. He told them not to eat it because it would kill them."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>By Lucifer you mean Satan.\nWhy? You sure they're the same?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThey're not. That's what I'm trying to get at.\nBut, they are interchangeable and become synonymous in most context, so I could have left that one alone.. But, for sure the snake was a snake."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\n>>7\nlow iq posts"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\n>>people didn't know if obeying god is good or bad before eating the fruit\nHuh, I never thought of that"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>>24\nWhy was there a talking snake and who put it there? Was it really just some random snake that could talk?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nI hope you’re joking and Christians aren’t this dumb."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nIt was not a literal snake; the devil says he walked to and fro and snakes don't have feet."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSky jew acts like a jew. And christcucks are going to trust this jew to give them a ticket to a magic jew kingdom in the sky if they're a good goy?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd then they died from sin, so Jesus came to save us from sin and death and cast out the serpent into hell forever."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Lucifer be like: As a human being, you were born free and you should enjoy this innate freedom, not live enslaved to a sky daddy.\n\nLucifer is nothing but a filthy majoosi plot hole, there is no mention of hell in exodus or genesis"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"You, Inejirō Asanuma, are making Japan communist. I have no resentment towards you personally as a person with a leadership role in the socialist party but to your onus, your outbursts when you visited China, and the responsibility you bear for the intrusion into the National Diet. I cannot let go of your unforgivable actions. I shall hereby be the one to bring down your divine punishment.\"\n\nDated 12 October 1960, Otoya Yamaguchi"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">I shall hereby be the one to bring down your divine punishment.\nAnd God rewarded them with such a glorious 10,000 times folded work/suicide culture."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's just such a good photo. Like something from an old woodblock print."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGLORIOUS\n\nGLORIOUS INDEED!\n\nWhen a communist dog opens its mouth in public cut them down!\n\n>>2\nHahahaha cope more loser bitch, the former eastern bloc is full of depressed, impoverished, suicidal alcoholics and your loser empire collapsed hahahahaha I dance on the pathetic grave of the ussr"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Chud empathises with a depressed society full of virgins and suicide\nYou don't say!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">is a radicalized \"ultranationalist\" after joining a few groups bankrolled by the USA\n>kills a socialist ( not even an actual communist ) who doesn't want to turn Japan into a US vassal state\n>didn't do dick because communists are still running around\n>dies like a pussy in prison"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nLmao, Japan is still America's geriatric mega bitch."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n\"In a bleak cell at a Tokyo juvenile detention home one night last week, a mop-haired teenager mixed a palmful of tooth powder with a few drops of water and scrawled a message on the wall: \"Seven lives for my country. Ten thousand years for His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor!'' Then Otoya Yamaguchi, 17, tore his bed sheet into strips, knotted them into a rope, stood up on a toilet bowl and hanged himself from the light fixture in the ceiling.\"\n\nkek\n\n>>1 (OP)\n\nAlso:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/p_Xy8il6C-c [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/sOXBmWoOuvQ [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/RSp5ihgRZLo [Embed]\n\nHere are some other angles of Asanuma’s assassination"}, {"id": 9, "content": "chinks still mad about this one eh? sad."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>Hahahaha cope more loser bitch, the former eastern bloc is full of depressed, impoverished, suicidal alcoholics and your loser empire collapsed hahahahaha I dance on the pathetic grave of the ussr\n\n>Bring back capitalism\n>become miserable shithole\nIm not sure how it helps your case"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYukio Mishima had more impact as a right winged figure in Japan than him\nSorry to break this to you bud"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">socialist coping about not gaining weebs on their side: the thread"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nAnd both of them Anhero'd. Whats with fascists and killing themselves? Are cross dressing Nazis not a meme?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWith Mishima atleast, he's an accomplished person who's well known in the literary world\nOP's favorite is the equivalent on a radicalized /pol/tard going after literally whos"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe gave us anime"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nRecognized Peter Kemp immediately, thanks for the book recommendation"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nSovietcels are the depressed ones and all commies are mentally ill losers, kys\n\n>>6\nAll socialists deserve a similar fate and the faggot politician wanted to make Japan a Chinese vassal\n\nCry more that capitalism stay winning\n\n>>7\nBased\n\n>>8\nWhat a poetic death, I salute this hero and encourage others to follow his path\n\n>>10\nJapans not a shithole you coping loser, you’re thinking of the breadlines and commieblocks of the failed former Soviet system\n\n>>11\n>nooo there can’t be two right wingers it needs to be a contest because uhhh\n\nIdiot"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Why did he even kill the guy? Was he really just some /pol/tard from 1960 who killed the socialist because the socialist was bringing ”marxist degeneracy” into glorious nippon?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Was he really just some /pol/tard from 1960 who killed the socialist because the socialist was bringing ”marxist degeneracy” into glorious nippon?\nBy /pol/tard you mean someone who's malleable? Yea"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nif only Asanuma lived...japan would be more like china now and have a healthier work culture...sad!\n\nAND they'd have a more independent foreign policy, like they wouldn't support taiwan and stuff"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">/pol/tard can't fathom having the mind of a former Taisei Yokusankai politician\nand thinks everyone has to bow down to his bias\nMany such cases. Sad!"}, {"id": 22, "content": "It's always those who try to do right by their people and the worker that always seem to meet tragic ends.\n\n\"You made service to the people the core of your political principles. Literally running from east to west, you were constantly appealing directly to the people with unrivaled eloquence and unmatched passion.\n’Numa truly is a speech-giving everyman\nWith his soiled clothes and tattered briefcase;\nToday in this public hall,\nTomorrow at a roadside temple in Kyoto.\nThis is what Asanuma’s comrades used to sing about him back in the 1920s, when they were founding the Japan Labour-Farmer Party. Even after he became Chairman, this “speech-making everyman” spirit never showed the least sign of flagging. Even now, we all still have vivid recollections of you giving all those speeches in every corner of this nation.\"\n\nEulogy for Asanuma on the floor of the Diet given by Hayato Ikeda"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\n>Sovietcels are the depressed ones and all commies are mentally ill losers, kys\nDoing better than Nippon doe\n>>unknown\n>China isn't a communist country! Commie ideology can never surpass US.\n>China is communist because worker suicide\nPick one"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">Muh Socialist Asanuma wants to turn Japan into a communist hellscape\n>but he didn't approach the all powerful Soviet Union but backwards shithole China to \"bankroll\" him\nDo /pol/tards even"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nRussians actual can BREED more than Japs doe\n>China isn’t communist anymore, but is still a dystopia to work in\nNot communist my little chuddy"}, {"id": 26, "content": "I just want to talk about how radicalized the killer was and what were his beliefs, i don’t give a fuck about your gay internet ”culture war”."}, {"id": 27, "content": "not reading this thread, but i've seen chud anon post and without reading a single one of his posts i KNOW he's got the brainless /pol/ take that inejiro was a tranny loving commie and the kid was a bonefide patriot and not a glownigger plant"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat an inspiration, dying for just cause\nbecoming a martyr for divine truth"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>what an inspiration, dying for just cause becoming a martyr for divine truth\n\nlol\n\nwanting to be America's bitch = divine truth"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nSo true! With Asanuma could be independent of America and make their own decisions (like not supporting Taiwan)"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\n>I salute this hero and encourage others to follow his path\nGo ahead and hang yourself too, chink."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\nnice google translate post zhang"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>The only reason anyone would oppose marxism is to support eebil amerikkka\nMental illness"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">kills him for saying america is the enemy\namerica should be wiped off the face of the planet"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>4\nJapan has one of the highest suicide rates on the planet and one of the most exploitative working cultures as well. Good thing that nip killed him otherwise Japan wouldn't have ended up with desperately low birth rates, African immigration, so many deaths from overwork that it becomes its own classification, skyrocketing suicides, NEETdom, and permanent subjugation by America."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP is a faggot complaining that people back in the day used to actually believe in stuff instead of being hedonistic cynical retards."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nDo you think saying this for the second time will make it true?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nAnd no Japanese seems to care about these so terrible things you've listed. They live in a clean, low crime society and practice their ancestral religion.\n\n>>36\nThey're also too retarded to realize that Japan to this day has the death sentence and he wanted to spare himself the torture of waiting for it"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nNips are an eternally castrated race"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nWhat an original insult"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>29\ncommunism is the natural progression of judaism; putting man over nature and viewing everyone, even the most subhuman of men, as equal. opposing commies because you're aware of the fact that they're evil is righteous."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nyour wrong dumbass, its the natural progression of private ownership. It fucks over too many people that they either become fascists or communists."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>14\n>literally whos\nUnder Asanuma's leadership, the Japanese Socialist Party had won a third of the seats in the house of representatives.\n\nIf it hadn't been for Otoya's heroic sacrifice, Japan may well have become a Chinese vassal state by the 1970's.\n\n七生報国!"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>22\nThe only relevant post. Thank you, anon:)"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhiten Mitsurugi style"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>2\n>10,000 times folded work/suicide culture\nThey would've got the same thing either way. Look at China. You think Japan would actually practice \"communism\" properly?"}, {"id": 47, "content": "While all you commie faggots were seething about my posts I went on a date with my smoking hot Latina wife and shot a rope of hot white cum in her pussy.\n\nThink about that."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>35\n>Japan has one of the highest suicide rates on the planet\nHasn't been the case for like 30 years.\nCanda is like 40 spots ahead of them by now."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>33\nIn reality that's the single primary reason people chimp out about le ebil gommunism. Every time time a chud claims they're actually anti-capitalist for x,y and z reasons, in actual fact their presence in the world only ever amounts to support for neoliberalism and the American bloc."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nBased! I’m glad capitalism won over communism. Die mad your ideology is for losers hahahahahaha"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nWhy do rightoids even pretend they're edgy rebels against the status quo? Just own the fact you're whole thing is being for it."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nI hate Biden, but I’d still defend him and liberals against your ilk when push comes to shove\n\nI’d fight side by side with jihadis, liberals, and any other ideology in the world. (You) are the ultimate enemy. When communists step up we all drop our differences to slaughter you."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nWhatever, just please be honest with yourself and say your whole MO is to shill for the present established neoliberal world order. Because that's what everything you say and do amounts to."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>43\nThe JSP was in a huge rut at the time. They did not appeal in the slightest to the 2/3 of the Japanese population that had nothing to do with labor unions. The countryside (at least 40% of the population back then, possibly a majority) especially wanted nothing to do with them because the Americans had already solved Japan's farmland distribution problem and the LDP was attentive to any remaining issues they had. They were gradually being taken over by labor unions, with very few of their new politicians coming by any other route. They foundered at the prefectural and local level, never making up more than 20% of prefectual assemblymen or 10% of city or district assemblymen. The LDP had resolved its internal issues and would stay united until the 90s. So while Asanuma's death definitely caused the collapse of the JSP, it had no shot at power even before then."}, {"id": 55, "content": "Based samurai."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/20029420?seq=1\nSource"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe fact that he succeeded and did it with that traditional weapon nevertheless\nya, I'm thinking based"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And if so, when did it stop?\nDid Charlemagne take women as spoils?\nVladimir the Great seems to have collected women like this, but when did Russians stop?\nDid Ottomans still take Austrian peasant girls as trophies when they besieged Wien?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "imagine how fucking bad women stank back then no wonder they were called spoils"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on a lot of things obviously. Rapes would be common almost always, unless the army was very disciplined or very pious. The professionalization of european militaries in the 18th century would have been one of the cutoff points, though it obviously still happened afterwards and still does in many places. Permanent slavery only when it's part of your culture. The early medieval franks definitely did take slaves, mostly from slavic people but probably also from the saxons. The ottomans did take slaves all over the balkans - interestingly, german nobles in turn took turkish prisoners as servants and women as concubines, which was considered fashionable in the 17th/18th century."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were women really treated as spoils\nYes\n>And if so, when did it stop\nStop?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>when did it stop\nAfter the fall of the Soviet Union led to the Pax Americana. Only gay sex is allowed now."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Were women really treated as spoils of war?\nYes, but mostly because they were almost regarded as property by men.\n\n>And if so, when did it stop?\nWar has become more sophisticated, as has civilization. Women are no longer treated as property in most cultures around the world, and we have developed a higher sense of humanism, the right of man, human rights and natural law.\n\nWar has also been confined to a set of rules which mirrors the change in society. A victor does not kill every 1 in 10 men in a city when its captured. Babies are no longer thrown off the city wall. The people are no longer enslaved.\nAnd as slavery has ended, so has the treatment of people as slaves being the result of war spoils.\n\nOf course some rogue states like Myanmar or states of terrorizing orgins like ISIS did revert back to \"the old ways\" when genociding, raping and enslaving civilians. These however have been excluded from the global community and often treated with little regard for rules of war by other states.\n\nDifficult to say when it started, its been a long process that has always been in some sense of developement even during the ancient eras. It likely picked up steam when the Enlightment ideas came to in Europe, and was spread by Europeans across the globe during the age of colonialism."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nthis post was sponsored by the U.S. Department of State"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>A victor does not kill every 1 in 10 men in a city when its captured\nGood times.\nDidn't they discover women's gene pool is two times as diverse as men's, or something? Indicating that men serious amount of men got purged.\n\n>The people are no longer enslaved.\nIn PRC, they have mandatory conscription, forcing soldiers to wear helmets with explosives that can be detonated by officers."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n\nActually I'm from a Nordic country."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\ntl;dr we don't enslave women as spoils of war anymore because it's more efficient to enslave their entire society and create situations in which concubinage and servitude is the most viable social and economic option available to women.\nThis is functionally the same as slave raiding but it's impersonal nature makes Westerners more comfortable with it"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>he does it for free"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n\nYou mean they become slaves to the state rather than to an individual."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNo they become slaves to impersonal social and market forces that somehow have extremely similar outcomes as interpersonal slavery"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n\nYou did use the word \"option\" in your post though.\n\nIf we're going to be liberal with semantics to describe life, we might as well say we're all slaves of nature since we're forced to toil for daily bread.\n\nHumans today have more options than ever before on how to live their lives."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty sure it’s happening in Ukraine right now and also it is documented in the Yugoslav Wars , don’t even get started on countries like Sudan where it’s self-evident rape is occurring."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did Ottomans still take Austrian peasant girls as trophies when they besieged Wien?\n\nNo, but they did take Austrian boys\nAnd during WW1 they took Australian boys"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>you can spread your legs and get raped\n>or you can get beaten and shot\n>it's your choice\nWow such liberal many progress wow"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes.\nDidnt.\nYes.\nDidn't.\nI would assume yes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you WILL fuck your own mother and sister\n>you WILL worship the otter\n>you WILL kill the tortoise\nWhy do certain people pretend this was some intellectual religion again?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStill superior to the jewish triology"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\njudaism was blatantly based on Zoroastrianism and I'm tired of Abrahamics pretending otherwise."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause retards like this\n>>2 who can't see beyond muh juice.\n>>3\nAbsolutely retarded. You haven't taken a deep look into either of the religions. Old Testament is as Iron age as it goes with extremely tribalistic God. Its characteristics are way more afro-asiatic than Iranian."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Old Testament is as Iron age as it goes with extremely tribalistic God\nEvery poleis in Greece had chosen a tribal god, even if some shared one. Judaism was invented by Greeks. Hence the Pharisees whose beliefs in tribalism are reflected by the Parsees- the faction of Zoroastrians that believed only Zoroastrians could birth Zoroastrians and reduce conversions."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Judaism was invented by Greeks\nReal retard hours. Look at other Afro-asiatic faiths and you will realise how much of a brainlet you are. Jews aren't even unique in their brand of religion but the brand is far anything Greek or Iranian."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIdiot take, as expected. Go drink your idiot juice while I leaf over my copies of the Avestan scripts and run comparisons from the Nag Hammadis."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Tranime poster is a retarded larper more interested in religious dick measuring than actual religion"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNot him but youre an idiot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nI am a third person, and I agree with the other two that you are retarded."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">all these non-arguers failing to deconstruct my statements\n\nIt's like that scene at the end of The One where karate man is kicking the shit out of the weak hordes of seething angry fembois\n\n>I am nobodies bitch\n>You. Are. Mine.\n>*points to all the shitposters\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws8JocOpkvY [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. pajeet\n>>4\n>>6\n>t. kike"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>you WILL fuck your own mother and sister\nwat? Zoroastrianism forbids incest."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nMate pajeets love zoroastrians, the last few of them are pajeets themselves and hindutva fags constantly lament the muslim conquest of Persia and act all proud over how they're so tolerant and benevolent they let them live in their country"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwēdōdah (Av. xᵛaētuuadaθa) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible.\nhttps://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/marriage-next-of-kin"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nQRD?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>The Nag Hammadis give the name of one of the Pharisees as Arimanios (evil deity in Zoroastrianism)\n\nThere are two theories about exactly when judaism is invented but all the clues of invention are omnipresent in the archaeological and literary records. If you belive that some of the archaeology checks out, then it was invented by Persians directly. If you believe that most of the archaeology is fabricated and misconstrued, then it was likely the Greeks in the 3rd century."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIranian diaspora looking for an identity"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nI am a forth person and they are right, you are a retard and a LARPer faggot"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Xawodeh was so prevalent was is consanguinity in actual ethnic Iranians MUCH lower vs the rest of the Middle East/Western Asia?\n>>4\nExcept Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism did heavily influence Judaism. Monotheism or henotheism if you want to be a technical faggot, was already devoutly preached for almost 800-1000 years before any contact between Jews in captivity in Babylon and Zoroastrian Persians in the mid-6th century BC. The Jewish Bible literally has YHVH acknowlewding other \"gods\" existing, no such similarity exists until after transmission and influence with Mazdasynaian Persians.\n>>15\nThere is little to no proof of this actually being done by anyone outside of the mobads/priesthood at all. Political marriages between brothers and sisters, sure, but no actual real depiction of consanguity being forced."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Except Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism did heavily influence Judaism. Monotheism or henotheism if you want to be a technical faggot, was already devoutly preached for almost 800-1000 years before any contact between Jews in captivity in Babylon and Zoroastrian Persians in the mid-6th century BC. The Jewish Bible literally has YHVH acknowlewding other \"gods\" existing, no such similarity exists until after transmission and influence with Mazdasynaian Persians.\nWhat a dumb take. Using superficial similarities to prove \"heavy influence\". Look at the surrounding of Jews and other near Eastern/Afro-asiatic peoples and you will see where all the influence comes from. Zotoastrianism is something born in Eastern Iran and has more to do with Indo-European beliefs than fucking Judaism."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Except Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism did heavily influence Judaism\nOne way or another, this is an unavoidable fact.\n\n>>21\n>Zotoastrianism is something born in Eastern Iran and has more to do with Indo-European beliefs than fucking Judaism.\nCould you explain how? What do you mean by this? judaism looks pretty Greek. It has ktisis myths, Platonic philosophy, and even chooses Greek philosophy when it could have chosen Semitic."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\n>Even during the early chapters the Jew god makes it clear that he is better than other Gods\nHis point that other Gods are mentioned is proven though. The rest is not up for debate. Obviously, every group thinks their god is numba wun."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nI see your tricks pajeet"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do certain people pretend this was some intellectual religion again?\nHatred of islam will make people say literally anything."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>judaism looks pretty Greek. It has ktisis myths, Platonic philosophy, and even chooses Greek philosophy when it could have chosen Semitic.\nYou are so dumb it hurts. You are high on new testament which is actually full of greek larp.\n>>23\n>His point that other Gods are mentioned is proven though.\nWhat point? Do you think Old Testament got it from Zotoastrianism?Judaism gaining these triats has more to do with jewish tribalism than Zotoastrianism thousands of miles away."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe New Testament is Roman, the Old is Greek. There is no ktisis in the NT for example.\n\n>What point? Do you think Old Testament got it from Zotoastrianism?\n\nEffectively. What you think of as judaism was carved from Persian stone, probably by Greek hands.\n\n>jewish tribalism than Zotoastrianism thousands of miles away\n\nI don't know why you're pretending that the Persians did not reign over that very area for a lengthy period of time. Maybe you did not know that Persia ruled the Levant at one point? Or that it had been previously conquered by Scythians?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nPlease stop making yourself look uneducated and read more. You are picking on superficial similarities because you probably have something against Kikes like Persian shitskin above."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>7\nBrother, I really didn't want to do this, but I have to be the fifth person to say... you indeed are retarded"}, {"id": 30, "content": "In my dreams I'm Saoshyant. Creating a dynasty of Uber-Mench through careful inbreeding."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>20\n>If Xawodeh was so prevalent was is consanguinity in actual ethnic Iranians MUCH lower vs the rest of the Middle East/Western Asia?\n\nMy nigga Parsis are some of the most inbred people on earth LOL"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nIt's well attested.\n\nRead Gmirkin. That's a good starting point. It's apparent you were not prepared to debate these matters and therefore rely on projection."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Russell E. Gmirkin is an independent researcher specializing in Greek sources used in the Hebrew Bible.\nPssshhhhhh hahaha I am sure I should take this guy seriously."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>you WILL fuck your own mother and sister\nDisgusting! Tell me more about it."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">you WILL fuck your own mother and sister\nJust shut up and take my money."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nHe's a respected scholar with years of research and peer reviewed works. I'm not sure why you would trust literal theologians over him."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>7\nMy friend, I shall provide testimony as the sixth individual to respond to you now, that you are indeed most certainly a fool."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">Obvious VPN spamming after failing to produce one (1) single counter-argument"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe original beliefs were altruistic, but after the iranians consolidated into an empire it became degenerate, same as any religion. You got strange sects propagated by sheltered kings and priests in the cities, while the average villager continued happily murdering snakes and fucking his neighbors wife like his ancestors did. Wait, now im confused, was adultery worse than the incest? maybe the iranians were always weird...and we dont talk about zurvanism right..\n\nHot take... If there truly was a mandate of heaven, it was LOST when the sassanian imperial line abandoned orthodox masdayasna in favor of zurvanite dualism. Once the ruling Parthian clique converted, the mandate of heaven, so to speak, was lost...\n\nThis opened the door of evil, no longer was the supreme good the true virtue, the ultimate goal; now there was good AND evil, equal. The virtuous soul of the Iranian empire, once equal to the romans, was now degenerated, and they were consumed by evil, and so were destroyed.\n\nNote that Christianity and Islam, the ruling religions today, both agree that god is the ULTIMATE good and ULTIMATE power, no dualism. Same with hinduism, even."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>30\nVGH\n\n>>34\n>>35\ntZoroastrians are part of Zoroaster's clan. Pre-Zoroastrian pseudo-Hindu whatever-the-fuck-ism mandated inter-clan marriage, meaning that you cannot marry members of your own clan, you have to marry exogamously. Zoroastrians being adopted into Zoroaster's clan prevents this. Islamic polemicists accused Zoroastrians of all sorts of sexual indecencies, incest among them. 19th century Western scholars assumed that, because Muslims would never lie about anything, this was obviously true. This would lead to the videogame company Paradox Interactive making \"allows incest\" one of the traits of the Zoroastrian religion because they couldn't think of anything else to give it.\n\n19th century scholars found a record of a man marrying his twice-removed niece-in-law (his brother's wife's niece), which many Islamic internet polemcists take as evidence that Zoroastrians practice brother-sister incest."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>30\n>ck3\nkys\n>>40\nowari da"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">Be Iranian zoroastrians\n>fail in every movement\n>be iranian shia\n>continously make new movements and rebellions and form kingdoms throughout history culminating in the safavids\nShia Islam is by far the best iranian religion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is betraying your own family the worst sin for a pagan?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I am sure Thor beat Odin's ass in some Marvel comic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nLmk when the next season comes out"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes\nin the havamal it explicitly states that its fine to lie to your enemies but you must always be completely honestly with your friends and family"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWhen are they doing a crossover bros?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Accompanied by Yamaraja, Indra, the Maruts and the twin Asvins, King Yudhisthira ascended to the heavenly region. Upon reaching the heavenly planets, Yudhisthira could not see his brothers. He told the King of Heaven that he did not want to stay there without his brothers and the beautiful Draupadi. Yudhisthira was then taken to the hellish planes."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>every single pagan culture is the exact same on X issue\ngods LARPers are so ignorant"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt's pretty consistent. Abrahamic faiths are unique in that you should literally betray and hate your own family. Peak bolshevism."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on the region. Typically the worst sin considered in a society is that which threatens its core. Its very foundations. For instance kinslaying for the anglo saxons, as the connection of kin was integral to their society. Likewise in the modern day west racism, which threatens the core of multiracial ideology which allows it to work as it does.\nThus it would be easy to see that it would depend on what part of the world you are talking about. What kind of society it is. But generally yes kinslaying is a big one since pretty much all pagan societies are clan societies."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>But generally yes kinslaying is a big one since pretty much all pagan societies are clan societies.\nGood explanation"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNigga, “pagan” is too broad a category to really generalize things. However, presumably betraying kin would be seen as extremely taboo in most “pagan” faiths for obvious reasons."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">paganism\n>“Sin”\n\nSorry Brayden, your mind will always be a slave to Christianity."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Cyclops,’ said I, ‘you should have taken better measure of your man before eating up his comrades in your cave. You wretch, eat up your visitors in your own house? You might have known that your sin would find you out, and now Jove and the other gods have punished you.’\nOdyssey, Homer"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">is child sacrifice, a practice that pagans literally practice today, the greatest sin in paganism?\n\nHave I told you about our lord and savior Odin?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nactually Judaism and Islam retain the family loyalty dynamic, it's Christ who came to bring a sword of division, to set father against son and brother against brother because objective morality is not bound by blood - when a man does evil, it is your duty to stop his evil, not to protect him and enable his evil because he is a family member\nif your brother is a pedophile who molests his nieces and nephews, the right thing isn't family loyalty, it's turning him over to the police or lynching him yourself"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThats literally what your god did. It's a common phonecian(Jewish) practice"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nHot take"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nobsessed with pedos"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI can use the same argument dealing with robbery or murder or something if you like and keep pedophilia out of it"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt depends if the family member is doing the \"evil\" for the benefit of the family or not."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly if it's dishonorable in the culture. The Ancient Near East judged morality by social rep, not it actually being good or bad.\n\nIt was worse if a prostitute changed jobs than if she just kept being a whore"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nBenthamite Utilitarianism is immoral, if you argue that the ends justify the means, you abandon the will of God\nDoing the right thing isn't supposed to be conditional on whether it materially benefits you personally"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>8\ngo read the chapter \"have you hated your mother today?\" or something in Mitchell Heisman's Suicide Note book. 2000 page long schizo ramble mainly about Christianity being Bolshevist mind virus and liberalism being neo-Christianity. Guy was way too dependent on neechy but he has some incredibly interesting takes"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>6\ninterdasting\n\nI have always wondered about how different religions handle this seeming contradiction."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nInteresting"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>8\nIn Islam and Judaism, punishment for apostasy trumps family loyalty.\n\nIf the Greeks had applied this principle as consistently as the Avrahamics, their religion might still be around today."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni think losing your honor is. you could probably gotten away with disavowing a family member that was no good but if you accepted your honor being taken away you lost your status as human.\nUntil the 19th century men were expected and legally permitted to kill the man if his wife cucked him."}, {"id": 29, "content": "haven't read this yet but seems like it could be relevant to this discussion, has anyone here read yet?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\nI mean to be honest, pedophilia is honestly the one thing everyone here can agree is evil. Murder is up in the air nowadays with how many unremarkable-to-useless-to-evil people are running around nowadays."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, clearly not. Euthyphro was a pagan and he was ready to prosecute his own father for a nameless slave in Athens' island colony of Naxos."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>8\nVery true. Abrahamism essentially hates the very notion of loyalty. When you begin to understand this, all their deceptive and lying behavior begins to make sense"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>15\n>child sacrifice, a practice that pagans literally practice today\n\nOh dear, I'm afraid your Abrahamism is showing again"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>12\nSin is a native Germanic word that predates Christianity. It was used to gloss the concept because it already covered the same thing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Atheism is true.\n\nAlso, people on /his/ always say \"atheists don't have kids\", but this is false. Many atheists have children:\n>Stephen Hawking was an atheist who had 3 kids\n>Dara O'Briain (Irish comedian) is an atheist who has 3 kids\n>David Gilmour (Pink Floyd guitarist) is an atheist who has 8 kids (1 adopted)\nEven if you care about biological children only, David Gilmour has 7 of them. How many do you have? Probably not that many, or else you would be too busy to be on 4chan."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Prove that no god exists"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGod was made up. This is clear to rational people."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNot an argument"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nStop thinking like a woman, The burden of proof is on you. There have been phones with cameras for the last fucking 20 years yet not a single video or picture of anything supernatural captured, and the advance of science has done nothing but disprove the idea of a god."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>the burden of proof is on you\n>uhh because uhh.. because it just IS! OKAY?!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nRicky laughs at Yahweh's chest ketchup punishment"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nare you white? you're clearly mentally ill, you say we hate \"god\" and how he apparently lives rent free in our heads, yet i see your untreated schizophrenic ass making at least 2 threads a day."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nclassic nta moment"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nThis, atheists are autists. They have extreme male brain syndrome which compels them to systemizing behaviors, so it’s almost impossible for them to conceptualize abstract concepts about intangible phenomena. Atheists aren’t fully retarded: there’s a clear association with science and atheism, but this is more because western societies are advanced enough to have science and free enough to not kill people for thinking differently. Scientific advancement and atheism are not complimentary, they are both products of modernity. Anyway, atheists are missing a self-reflective aspect of their intellect, which is rationalized by substituting Science! and empirical evidence for actual reason and intuition. If you asked an atheist why they should love their parents, it’ll be some moral relativist mental gymnastics or sociopathic cope about reciprocal social relationships."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\n>Kingdom\nDoesn't exist.\n>dogmatic, arrogant\nHow ironic.\n\n>>4\nIt is.\n\n>>5\nVery good post and very good image.\n\n>>10\nNot reading all this cope, but do you have 7 biological children? If not, then an atheist has more children than you."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n>>8\n>>11\nSour grapes"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>If you asked an atheist why they should love their parents, it’ll be some moral relativist mental gymnastics or sociopathic cope about reciprocal social relationships.\nAnon if you have a logical explanation why you love your parents you are a full blown autist atheist or religious reasoning.\nIt’s purely emotional for normal people."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nNot him but people claim a god exists and they don’t have proof. There is no reason to believe them."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod revealed to me that atheism is true"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nPerhaps the proof isn’t acceptable by modern conventional, empirical standards. But then again, there are many things that humans do with no empirical justification. Also, atheists can’t even disprove the idea of God aside from questioning whether or not he exists: rather than provide evidence to the contrary, atheists simply point to some random fun fact."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNothing you said here couldn’t be used to defend belief in fairies."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAre fairies and an entire religion (with real world history and spiritual teachings) really the same thing?\nIt appears that you’re stuck on literalist strawmen, such as that theists’ core belief is that there’s a person in the sky."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe baggage attached doesn’t actually matter in regards to whether something is real or not.\nIf people made religions about fairies and took it very seriously that wouldn’t make them real.\nThe fairies are immaterial man, what are you thinking of tinkerbell bro it’s way deeper than that bro.\nYou have no proof man keep it to yourself or shut the fuck up"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nLmao I love how you got so assblasted by fedoras talking about skydaddy back in 2012 that you still think people are seriously arguing that Yahweh is supposed to be a physical man sitting on a physical cloud."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>>13\nIt's a friggin instinct fer pete's sake."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nYou believe in all proposed gods?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nWell, he's an atheist, so..."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>Are fairies and an entire religion (with real world history and spiritual teachings) really the same thing?\nWhen it comes to the veracity of claims to their existence? Yes, exactly the same."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nThat's how he started out. Well, more of a mountain than a cloud, but pretty much the same thing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nNo"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo.\nI don't believe in atheism, therefore it's false."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>12\nNo. God just isn't real.\n\n>>27\nFalse. You are wrong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Wat do?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’d probably get killed."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd join them, of course"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>start speaking fellow Slavic\n>join them"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPray to God to save me and my family (the local priest told us it would work)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they decide to attack our village, I presume it's because they know we are weak and defenceless. So I would offer commodities in hope of preventing violence."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I can take on two fat guys easily. They would gass out before they could land a blow."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShoot them, then masturbate for 3 hours and stress eat to regain energy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncall their armour historically inaccurate"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nYou'd be the first to get split asunder."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nOnly if it's in the late medieval period."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">shut the gate\n>they leave\n>if they don’t the lord and like his 5 best bros slaughter them with heavy cavalry\nSinple really"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSimple really"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nWhat's inaccurate?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTell them they are my ancestors (:"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n:)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "please explain"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConfiscating US and British property so your tin pot dictator could line his pockets with it was a bit rude, innit, Hernando?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCentral America was raped by United Fruit, it was like the Trade Federation from Star Wars."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The best military leaders are said to have run their militaries \"meritocraticly\". Napoleon, Shaka Zulu, genghis khan, etc. But how exactly was ones \"merit\" determined? Kill count? Number of successful operations? What determined ones merit?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Number of successful operations?\nThis + acts of valor i guess"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It was whoever the dude incharge thought was capable enough. Everyone of them you mentioned had their relatives and lackeys serve powerful positions despite any merit. Meritocracy in military has always existed in some form or other but opening officer schools for plebs was the first major blow. Now we have to incentivise retards to die on battlefield so they get candy promotions but aren't allowed to get promoted to actual command untill they have had enough experience and they are evaluated by their seniors which is kinda subjective."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts allowing your soldiers to be savage as possible and award them for it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\nI've read that genghis khan had a system were men were put into groups of 10 who voted for there leaders and those groups were put in groups of ten, (a total of 100 men), and those 10 leaders voted for a leader amongst themselves to lead the group of 100.\n\nThese groups were put in to groups of 10 (a total of 1000 men) who's leader was chosen by the khan. Is this accurate? If so how commons was this? Was this sort of democratic system common among these \"meritocratic\" militaries? P.s I'm aware that the top jobs were given to people who were close to the leader. I'm more so talking about middle management and possibly exceptions."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a popularity concept like every other society based on inheritance, being tall and acting important.\nBut otherwise it would go to whoever was the best fighter."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Napoleon\n>pre-modern"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>First round selection: Whose son are you?\n>Second round selection: OK, so you're a nobleman, but can you actually do the job?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>the guys actually fighting in the first line never get advanced significantly\n/his/torylet"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn most pre-modern militaries, it wasn't. Rank depended mostly on social station and money. So for most armies during the Napoleonic wars, officers were literally aristocrats who bought their commissions. But insofar as \"merit\" was and still is a factor in military advancement, its mostly a mix of showing aptitude for leadership and getting shit done, and sucking up to people in charge. Pretty much the same as any job."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThere's a reason I put quotation marks around pre-modern. I get that napoleon is technically a \"modern\" historical figure. But when I think of modern warfare I think of ww1 onwards."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "By this, I mean to ask when the people of England were thouroughly anglicized. To my knowledge, English people tend to be roughly half native Celt in terms of DNA, so it’s not like all the Brythonics in England were killed off. Unrelated, but this type of helmet is my favorite. I love the mustache."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI forgot most of what I learned about it but I'll tell you what I can remember.\nThe story goes that following the collapse of Roman Britain, a local ruler in Kent was having trouble with either brigands or some other local ruler who he thought was a shithead. So he hired some mercenaries from Anglia and Lower Saxony (regions in northern Germany) to deal with his problems. Mercenaries sailed over, dealt with the problem, but the ruler of Kent didn't want to pay them. I forgot whether they ended up killing him or not but they just decided to settle in England and make money there. Eventually more followed"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tend to be roughly half native Celt\nNo. They're about 40% Anglo-Saxon, 40% Gaulish, and only 20% Briton.\nAlso Celtic languages themselves were brought to Britain without population's replacement, OG Celts are quite different from Insular \"Celts\" who are remnants of Bell Beaker culture."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe specific time is well debated, but the general consensus is that it coincided with the collapse of the Roman Empire. Once the Britons were no longer supported by Rome, there was an economic collapse that left many cities empty and vulnerable to Germanic invasion by the Anglo Saxons. They simply moved in and began to live in the now barren cities."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe rescript of Honorius in 414 resulted in the total abandonment of Britain as a Roman province, and they were essentially left to defend themselves from now on according to this document.\n\nThe part of Britain that is now England became Anglo-Saxon over a gradual process starting sometime in the 5th century, and by the mid-8th century, when the Mercian king Offa building Offa's dyke, the borders with Wales were for the most part stabilized, although they have changed a bit since that time. Of course, this process was never 100% replacement of the previous population.\n\nAfter the Norman invasion in 1066, England became occupied by a Norman French-speaking elite, resulting in a shift from Old English to Middle English with a fusion of elements between it and Norman dialect(s) of French. During the reign of Henry I, a document called the \"Charter of Liberties\" was drawn up, as an agreement between the king and his English subjects to preserve some of their freedoms from the abuses of the Norman Lords such as Henry I's immediate predecessor. This document was largely ignored until 1215, when its existence was brought to remembrance in order to form a basis for a new document called the Magna Carta, formally limiting the absolute powers of the crown, and requiring each king to take an oath to uphold the terms of the charter.\n\nLater, these things were used to argue that England was formally outside of the Imperium Romanum and that England should be considered an empire in its own right, due to the withdrawal of Roman authority more than 1k years earlier. This also meant in many peoples' minds that they were not subject to the Roman pontiff.\n\nLater, when the monarchy became strong, the idea of a glorious Anglo-Saxon past was promoted, and people during this time often emphasized their \"Anglo-Saxon\" roots. Also, various factions used the Magna Carta as a valid reason to execute Charles I, to oust James II, and to launch the American Revolution against George III."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was he correct?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Most based turk ever"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do Turks act as if they were conquered by arabs or something? It was literally the opposite. I gotta give Ataturk credit for constructing a bizarre victimhood narrative"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReddit tier shit, but I respect that he had the balls to actually do something."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe should have created a Turkish brand of Islam, just like every Muslim country with a \"distinct, non-Arab culture\" did."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThey did. The Ottomans were barely muslim."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nTurks were conquered by arabs just like the persians, only difference is the persians rebelled and created their own off-shoot beliefs, meanwhile turks still follow sunni Islam. Turks aren't even a real ethinc group, just a mutt race of persians, arabs, Armenians, Greeks and central Asian blood. Turks should have been genocided and killed off forever but Greeks are incredibly incompetent"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes\n>>4\nRetarded drone"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Ricky Gervais poster should make memes showing Ataturk in Hell."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there is no God\n>God kills him with chirrosis at 57\ni mean, God is a dumb sadist nigger but still"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\ngreek*"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>Turks aren't even a real ethinc group, just a mutt race of persians, arabs, Armenians, Greeks and central Asian blood\nthis guy gets it. ataturk just happened to be mostly european and somehow thought he could push all the arabs to be european as well just by getting rid of islam"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nPersian shitskin seething in multiple threads kek"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIf every t*rk and a*ab was killed, their kids castrated and their women sold off for slavery, there would be world peace. Incredible how such a shit race of people still continue to live on, the shah's of Iran should have taken a genocide campaign to rid the region of such barbarian people absolute scum of the earth, may every a*ab and t*rkish subhuman be cast away and burn in hell"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Turks must honor their people. You were brainwashed by Arab laws and rituals! You live the way they do, you dress like them, you think like them. And that's why we must now dress like Europeans, live like Europeans and think like Europeans instead\nThe most overrates statesman in modern history by far"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYou shouldn't waste energy spitting at your monitor Shahram, I heard Iran is going through a food and water crisis. But it's OK us Arab chads will help you out"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nI'm not sure if that quote is real but secular Turkish whining about the imposition of religion demonstrates the hypocrisy of modernity like no other people in the world. You have an ethnic group that is intensely nationalistic to the point where they deny every genocide foundational to their country, they casually have fascist parties operating, their ethnic identity is an invention of the 20th century and is just a homogenized group of mutts, and they hate all their neighbors. And yet, Turkish identity and statehood is entirely built on ripping off the European Enlightenment. They claim to be distinct and pure and that's why they must drive out Islam since it comes from Arabia but they have absolutely no issue whatsoever trying to emulate white Europeans in every aspect of life. They even desire entry to the EU. It shows that Turks don't actually care about their claims of ethnic and cultural purity. Like most ethnic groups in modern history they are defined by ressentiment and therefore scapegoated Islam for the failures of their people. Driven by their envy of the superior Western race they renounce their actual historical heritage of Islam and only seek to become like the West -- the failing empire that is currently imploding. I have not seen insecurity quite like what I observe in your typical Turkish nationalist and secularist. All bark and no bite. What a sad, pathetic group of people."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBASED"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ramblings of the Arab sheikhs are still more truthful than the false “Turkish” nation he created lmao"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\nack!\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nexistence of Turkish language just kills the dreams of average \"Turks dont exist\""}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was wrong in saying that the inhabitants of Anatolia in ~1920 were Turks"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>i speak turkish therefore i'm a turk\n>i speak english therefore i'm a ____"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nTurkish language only exists in Central Asia the anatolians spook basically a 99% Arabic language"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nThat's not saying much."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a based WOLF OF TURAN"}, {"id": 27, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSEWAqPvc4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VwLNv6vXr4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 29, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXu5loryutM [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The most retarded idea the modern world convinced since its rooted in hypocrisy. Literally everyone did it. Non Greeks appropiated Greek culture. Iranians turned pic related (Ali) into an iranian nationalist which personally is the funniest one for me. Koreans appropiated western culture so hard that they became cultural christians. And finally the 19th and 20th centuries was filled with tinpot dictators appropiating European culture. Where's the outcry when non European and non European descendants appropiate western culture?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou think this is some great revelation? Retard."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIf its not a great revelation why is it being used as a weapon against europeans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I've noticed this is a popular meme among aznidentity type Asian-Americans, Koreans, and Chinese. Even as they rage against the Japanese for what they did, they will remarkably attempt to make excuses for them when the subject turns to their conflict with the European colonial powers.\n\nBy the 1920s, there was no realistic prospect of Japan being attacked or invaded by the Soviet Union, less still the Western powers. Japan was definitely lesser than most of the Great Powers, but it was as powerful as, and no more vulnerable than, nations like Italy or Spain, especially considering how distant it was from the other Powers.\n\nIt's as if even many East Asian peoples that were heavily victimised by the Japanese still find the idea of a situation in which Westerners can reasonably claim to have been victimised by an East Asian nation (Japan) who had immense racial hatred for them anathema."}, {"id": 2, "content": "To give you an idea of what I mean:"}, {"id": 3, "content": "but it's true\n\nthe great powers of the world looked upon japan with contempt, after the sino-japanese war, after the russo-japanese war, and after ww1\nthey had all their empires, india, africa, even south east asia which they were allowed to have, but when japan took manchuria (which was a warlord ridden shithole with no definitive control exercised over it) they were again ostracized\nany time japan tried to ingratiate itself with the international community they were rebuked, after they invaded china the americans grouped with the allies to embargo them and ship supplies to china, hoping to draw them in to a state of war for supremacy in the pacific\n\nyou can't justify unit 731, the pow abuses, or other war crimes, but you're ignorant at best if you don't understand the forces that led to it and genuinely believe they just decided to wig out one day"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>any time japan tried to ingratiate itself with the international community they were rebuked\n\nHow were they rebuked? The Japanese had been restored their sovereignty and all the unequal treaties agrogated, they had been able to establish themselves in Formosa, Chosun, and their presence in Manchuria was tolerated. They had their share in the Shanghai International Settlement. They were given a generous share of the naval tonnage quotas.\n\nThey were denied a formal declaration of racial equality at the League of Nations, but that was more because of the fact that the edifice of Western imperialism rested on racial inequality generally, rather than any particular animosity towards Japan in particular. They were denied land in Southeast Asia and the Westerners retaliated against their invasion of Central and Southern China because this represented a threat to their own legitimate rights there.\n\nJapan having been closed for centuries did not entitle it to displace the Westerners in Asia, who had had a more open and outgoing worldview and consequently reaped the rewards of it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>How were they rebuked?\nSee Wilhelm II's quotes on yellow peril, and all of these:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Intervention\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibiya_incendiary_incident#Riots\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal#Aftermath\n\nRegardless of whether or not you agree with them you can see why the Japanese felt looked down upon by the West."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThe Great Powers had negotiated amongst themselves the idea of the Open Door in order to prevent squabbling over their interests in China. By gobbling up more and more chunks of the country for their exclusive exploitation, they were stepping on everyone elses' toes.\n\n>b-but what about the Monroe Doctrine\n\nThe United States was only able to enforce it because the other Powers either alone or in combination were increasingly unable to exert their influence in Latin America. This was not the case when it came to the Western powers in East Asia, as they were able to and did combine to retaliate against the Japanese for trying to squeeze them out."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe fact that Japanese civilians killed dozens of their own people in a mindless chimpout because they were deprived of some trifling island clay only highlights how unreasonable they were, even before the 1930s."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThis btfo anti-Japanese clown especially…"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nFunny, the Anglo-Japanese relation were good in mid-30s"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIt's bullshitz the Japanese killed 11 million Asian civilians during their WW2 chimpout. You got off easily, nobody outside of China, Korea and maybe the Philippines and Indonesia remembers what you did, while Germans are reminded about it constantly. I would count my lucky stars and shut the fuck up instead of playing the victim."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>what you did\nI don come from Japan."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWell then go learn some history.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Japan was definitely getting strangled by Western powers but it doesn't excuse the absolute brutal racism they inflicted on the people they occupied. East Asian co-prosperity sphere was a meme to justify it's evil. I am sure they would have eventually raised Koreans and Chinese to some dignified level in their fantasy world but I will never buy them accepting South East Asians as anything more than cheap cattle let alone put them above Euros in their new world."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nWith each passing day, I hate leftists a little bit more."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Japan was definitely getting strangled by Western powers\n\nWrong. Japan failing to negotiate more landgrabs in Siberia in 1905 falls short of meeting the definition of a strangling. Japan failing to secure outright approval from Westerners for their seizure of Manchuria in the 1930s falls short of meeting the definition of a strangling. Japanese dependence on the United States and the Netherlands for some natural resources and therefore not having a fully free hand to conquer as much of China as they wanted falls short of the definition of a strangling."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWell it is strangling if you are sitting on piles of conquest while trying to stop the newbie from doing the same. Then we have USA bossing around East Asian waters after the defeat of Japan and before the rise of China. I guess Japan had some merit to feel \"victimised\" as Germany did."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Well it is strangling if you are sitting on piles of conquest while trying to stop the newbie from doing the same\n\nChina wasn't a wilderness, the other Powers already had interests there. Japan wasn't entitled to step on their toes, especially when (as it turned out) they had the ability to stop and punish Japan for trying.\n\nJapan had unironically pursued a policy of isolation for hundreds of years: was it really reasonable for them to decide one day to venture out of their proverbial basements and get offended that the other Powers had more land than they did?\n\nMany countries, both in Asia and around the world didn't have vast empires. There was no Polish empire. No Greek empire. No Thai empire. No Bhutanese empire. What particular right did Japan have to one?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nJapan imported all of their oil and most of their scrap iron from Western nations. Those resources are absolutely essential to an industrial economy aka the only defense against conquest and colonization. The US and UK could cut off these critical supplies any time they wanted and the Nips knew it. If you're claiming that this relationship cannot be described as 'strangling' then you're either an idiot or a domestic abuser"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nJapan didn't have any right to conquer anything but neither anyone had any right to stop it either. It is fair game and you can't add morality into it. If Japan wanted more land then just say you can't let them have it instead of preaching morality while sitting on a pile of plunder.\n>Japan had unironically pursued a policy of isolation for hundreds of years: was it really reasonable for them to decide one day to venture out of their proverbial basements and get offended that the other Powers had more land than they did?\nMaybe because they were actually threatened by European armadas and influence roaming around them. And it was Westerners pwoers that forced it to end its isolation and started shit anyways. Then we have these countries playing the big boys and fucking around East Asian territories and waters at their pleasure so it doesn't make it hard to understand why the East Asian countries have cynical geopolitical stance."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nHow do you explain, then, that the Western powers did not attack and invade Japan? If they had the power and the motive to do so.\n\nThe reality is quite the opposite: between the 1860s and the 1930s, Japan gained in power and influence. Not enough to pursue a fully independent foreign policy, and not enough to be able to invade as much of China as they wanted without any pushback from the other powers, but enough to deter Japan from being attacked and invaded by any power until the 1940s.\n\nAgain, yes Japan's full independence was constrained by its dependence on the United States and the Netherlands especially, but what of it?\n\nMany nations in Asia, Europe, and Latin America had to make peace with the fact that they weren't the most powerful of the Great Powers."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Maybe because they were actually threatened by European armadas and influence roaming around them.\n\nI don't think you can reasonably claim that between the 1900s and 1930s, Western governments pursued a particularly aggressive policy towards Japan that would have threatened the country's survival.\n\nThey mostly, and understandably, wished to avoid the Open Door from being fully closed and their corporate interests in China from being harmed, and to preclude Japan from literally invading their colonial holdings."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>They are wrong for playing by the rules and not accepting to be weak cucks\nAnd they got cucked in the end. End of the story but your premise is retarded. You cant blame Japanese expansionism at all."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>I don't think you can reasonably claim that between the 1900s and 1930s, Western governments pursued a particularly aggressive policy towards Japan that would have threatened the country's survival.\nDoesnt mean they wouldn't have fucked with them sooner or later.Thats the point here. They did once and they would do it again if they had the reason and ability to do so. It's dog eat dog world after all. It's fair game if Japan thought it could beat West at their own game."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>It is fair game and you can't add morality into it. If Japan wanted more land then just say you can't let them have it instead of preaching morality while sitting on a pile of plunder.\n\nI honestly don't see what European possessions in India and Southeast Asia had to do with Japan at all. They were acquired centuries before Japan was opened in many cases, and it's obvious that anyone will dislike another country openly coveting and demanding the right to attack and conquer their lands.\n\nAnd this can't be framed as some kind of revenge on the part of \"Asia\" for European imperialism in Asia, since Japan had very little to do with Europe or the rest of Asia in the 17th and 18th centuries.\n\nWhat Japan did was more like coming to a buffet at 8pm and being indignant that some of the tastiest and choicest dishes have already been cleaned out by other diners. You mught be reasonably disappointed, but if you then go up to their tables and try to pull the dishes off their plates with your hands, you are going to get punched in the face if they're bigger and stronger (or just more numerous) than you. Which is exactly what happened."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI dont think you understand anything at all. It was fair game to do anything you want. Everything was built over plunder and spoils anyways. No need to attest to morality or virtue to anything. Japan did what it had to. Now China is showing how it's done. If you aren't strong then you will gobbled up."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Now China is showing how it's done\n\n\"It\" is not the same thing. China hasn't declared war on four other Powers at once. Not since 1900, anyway."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n> this relationship cannot be described as 'strangling'\n>that Japan has no oil is somehow evidence that they are being actively harmed\n>on a related note, literally every oil importer is being strangled and entitled to attack whomever because of it"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">Japan was definitely lesser than most of the Great Powers, but it was as powerful as, and no more vulnerable than, nations like Italy or Spain,\nItaly also land-grabbed though? And while Spain didn't, its economy also suffered seriously in the period, which was a major cause of the political instability and ultimately civil war in that country.\nI don't think Japanese imperialism, or imperialism anywhere, was right or moral, but there was a certain logic to the pre-WW2 era's economic order that made it kind of inevitable."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\nHe's right doe"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>20\nThey didn't attack because the western powers made more money trading with Japan than Japan threatened to take from them. It was only when Japan actually damaged their positions in the Far East through colonial conquest that trade relations became unprofitable.\n\nWhy do I have to explain this to you? It's self-evident and should be obvious to anyone with two braincells to rub together."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>21\nThe aggression Japan was worried about was the breakdown in international trade that was triggered by the Great Depression. Japan was made acutely aware of how much they depended on other countries being willing to export raw materials to Japan's factories. Trade barriers went up, like the Smoot-Hawley Trade Act, and Japan got uneasy. To remedy this, they pursued an autarky policy."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>They didn't attack because the western powers made more money trading with Japan than Japan threatened to take from them. It was only when Japan actually damaged their positions in the Far East through colonial conquest that trade relations became unprofitable.\n\nCorrect. All Japan needed to do is refrain from invading European and other Western possessions in the region, and they would have been left unmolested."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\n>I have food\n>you need food\n>you will do whatever I say to get the food\n>YOU ARE NOT BEING STRANGLED ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD THIS IS WHAT LOVE IS"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>>you will do whatever I say to get the food\n\n\"Whatever I say\" in this instance simply means, \"Please refrain from attempting conquer all of China, because it's a nominally sovereign nation in which several Powers have significant commercial interests.\""}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n...so long as the Europeans were always willing to trade with them, which could break down due to internal European problems, such as an economic recession.\n\nWhat is wrong with your brain? You seem to use it, but there's no actual thinking occurring."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>...so long as the Europeans were always willing to trade with them, which could break down due to internal European problems, such as an economic recession.\n\nThere was initially no motivation for the Western powers to stop selling raw materials like oil and rubber to Japan entirely. They only went hard against the Japanese once it became clear that the Japanese weren't going to be reasonable and intended to firmly shut the Open Door in China, and might even be preparing to launch a war of aggression against them.\n\nAll Japan had to do to keep things friendly with the West was play nice. But they refused, and so got beaten into the ground."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nNo, it means 'whatever I say whenever I say it'. If right now I'm saying 'open your country to trade', there's nothing stopping me from next saying 'stop trying to acquire an alternate supplier' or 'stop trying to fight back'.\n\nYou're so completely braindead you have to be an academic Lefty."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nYou keep using terms like 'reasonable' and 'play nice' when what you mean is 'be submissive'. Your slimy language and arrogant weasel attitude is disgusting, so please kys promptly and spare the world any more of your \"thoughts\"."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nThe Western powers demonstrated a great deal of patience with Japan, and tolerated their unilateral actions in Manchuria for years. The Japanese provoked their own worst fears of a total embargo because of how insufferable and arrogant their behaviour was: the Western nations had enjoyed commercial relations with the Chinese empire since the final decades of the 18th century, and it was ridiculous and obnoxious for them to imagine the Western powers would allow themselves to be pushed out of China completely because the Japanese wanted them to.\n\nAnd probably the reason why they assumed the West was planning to cut them off was because they themselves knew what they were planning to do, and knew what they would do if they were in the West's shoes, and were in a position to do something about it."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nHow much does the US State Department pay you for this shit?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThe weak should fear the strong"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Japanese atrocities\nGHQ war guilt information program brainwashing propaganda\n>By the 1920s, there was no realistic prospect of Japan being attacked or invaded by the Soviet Union, less still the Western powers.\nThe goal of the USSR was to spread global communism. They did this by invading their neighbours and tried to invade Japan in 1939 and 1945. As for the western powers, the brutal economic sanctions put onto Japan by the FDR administration would’ve left Japan weak and vulnerable to western colonialism had Japan not taken action.\n>It's as if even many East Asian peoples that were heavily victimised by the Japanese\nWhat victimisation?? Japan significantly improved the standard of living in places such as Taiwan, Korea, Manchuria etc.\n>have been victimised by an East Asian nation (Japan) who had immense racial hatred for them\nJapan was not a racist nation, stop spreading anti-Japanese propaganda. It was Japan that proposed an end to racial discrimination at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. It was also Japan that liberated Asia from western colonialism and created the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere where Asian nations were treated equally"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>2\nSource??"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>3\n>you can't justify unit 731, the pow abuses, or other war crimes\nYeah because they never happened lol"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>31\nBasically this. And the Washington naval treaty, which greatly favoured the British and Americans. They both claimed they wanted to protect peace in the region, but it's kind of obvious statu quo greatly favoured the westerners.\nJust like today Americans are trying to fuck over China before they could challenge their domination."}, {"id": 46, "content": "Yes there is a common trend of minimising Japanese imperialism and atrocities in general due to them being non white and non western.\n\nThe most common version I’ve seen is parroting the Japanese propaganda about how they were liberating european colonies for the native Asians... I doubt anybody who believes this also thinks France and Britain liberated the German colonies in Africa by... taking them as their own colonies though.\n\nHowever I take issues with these statements.\n\n>By the 1920s, there was no realistic prospect of Japan being attacked or invaded by the Soviet Union\n\nThis is simply wrong. They had a border on two fronts with the Soviet Union. Whom the Russian vast majority would want to settle their grudge with over the losses of the old Russo-Japanese war.\n\nThe border with Korea was especially problematic. As they could smuggle weapons to support Korean separatists indefinitely.\n\n>less still the Western powers\n\nFrom our mindset we know this. From the Japanese mindset of the time nobody in the west considered the Japanese equal because they weren’t white. And their defining experience as a modern nation was American warships pulling up to threaten them into opening up trade.\n\nThe primary issue with the west wasn’t fear of an attack. Rather that the sheer lack of natural resources japan had led to a massive reliance on trade, mostly with the USA. Which was liable to get much more expensive at best whenever the USA may feel economically threatened. Or cut off entirely at worst.\n\nEuropean countries had dealt with this by either having tons of local natural resources like Germany or Russia. Or having a huge empire to get these resources like Britain or France. Japan felt entitled to do the same in order to try and secure their economy indefinitely. Hence the “East Asian co prosperity sphere”. Where they planned to make the Japanese empire look like an Asian EU on paper. Just with puppet rulers in place like Puyi in Manchuria"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nyou never happened"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nreal ling long autism hours."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nleftist/rightist bullshit, same thing with poor germany in ww1 not having slice of colonial pie, germany in ww2 being forced into ww2 by muh poles and britain and soviets who were gonna attack any day now (latter is kinda true tho), russia dindu nuffin fucking HATO forcing us to attack ukraine (quietly allows finland to join)"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>not having slice of colonial pie\nGermany had colonies though"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Asian-Americans\nAnd what do I care what an Amerimutt minority says? Any diaspora becomes retarded once it immigrated to North America."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nAsian Asians kinda do this too though, native Chinese and Koreans will somehow suggest that Western barbarity rubbed off on the Japanese, even though (obviously) the Japanese were doing susual wukou stuff and making mounds out of noses or whatever long before the Black Ships."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I've noticed this is a popular meme among aznidentity type Asian-Americans, Koreans, and Chinese.\n>Koreans & Chinese\nNo they don't.\n\n>reddit example\nGo back."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nThe Social Darwinism meme the Japanese used to justify their imperialism did come from the West."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">comfort women\nsouks are whores, they're whores for american occupiers today and they were whores for the chinese before the japanese occupied you, your women being whores isn't a warcrime"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>39\n>And probably the reason why they assumed the West was planning to cut them off was because they themselves knew what they were planning to do, and knew what they would do if they were in the West's shoes, and were in a position to do something about it.\nthis is moronic reasoning. surely you understand everyone assumes the worst of their adversaries regardless of how benign or malevolent they themselves are? the united states isn't benevolent, not even close, it ruthlessly pursues its own interests like everyone else, it just commits fewer war crimes because it's powerful enough to avoid the need to"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>12\n>It's only evil when the Japs do it.\nAnti-weebs truly are just the flip side of the same coin."}, {"id": 58, "content": "The japanese were as equal as any other great power of the period, they were just late to the party so they percieved that\nas injustice. They were late for indochina or the southeast pacific, and the china was too big of a prize for anyone to openly let them have it entirely. Considering that not even a century ago they were medieval monarchy with no interest\nor knowledge of the modern world, I would say they were given an exceptional treatment, as well as korea as their first true imperial conquest.\n\nConsidering global politics, they were still completely inept at it even after the ww2, mostly concerning themselves with regional\nmatters, which is the reason other western nations kept having the upper hand, and still do. They simply burned out and got too impatient, so they sperged out and ruined it prematurely.\nHad they kept obeying international treaties, many of the atrocities they commited against the natives would have been mostly forgotten, and they would probably become de facto leaders of some entity similar to eu in the east asia."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>45\nThe naval treaty practically saved the Japanese economy, you think they couldve afforded the 8-8 program they had been wanting for decades?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>39\n>>2\n>>1 (OP)\nThe US and UK and Netherlands literally supported Japan's modernisation and helped build Japan's mikutary in exchange for karayuki san Japanese prostitutes.\n\n\nUS, UK and Netherlands fully supplied Japan against China from 1937-1940 and gave them oil, copper, steel and engines and didn't embargo Japan until Japan invaded French Indochina.\n\nUS never embargoed Japan for attacking China in 1937.\n\nUS military officers literally helped the Japanese attack Taiwan in 1874 and helped them colonise Ainu land in the Hokkaido colonisation office.\n\nDon't play dumb idiot."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>52\nJapanese had zero capability of invading China without western military modernisation and oil and copper from the US.\n\nThe 16th century wokou raids were led by Chinese pirates like Wang Zhi on Chinese built ships.\n\nThe earlier 14th and 15th century wokou raids led by Japanese in Japanese ships were easily defeated.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241224\n\nJapan was militarily weak and pathetic at sea until Britain built the Meiji fleet."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nWhy are you leaving out the Krauts when Japan based their military doctrine from them?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you think the Norman Conquest in 1066 ended for the better? Should the Norwegians have won? Would Britain be better had the Anglo-Saxons repelled the Normans? Discuss"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are a few things I could think of. For starters the obvious massive destruction caused by the harrying of the north was a great loss for England. There is also the fact that the conquest resulted in the enserfment of almost the entire population and massively reduced social mobility. English was also the language of governance and religion before the conquest whereas after it was Norman-French and Latin respectively, locking most people out of these activities. I can't think of any clear gains from the conquest for the English people or nation to counterbalance these negatives. So yeah 1066 worst year ever."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Be a rich, succesful medieval kingdom advanced and heading to dbecome world hegemon is worse than being a tiny empoverished shithole conquered by literal river pirates in constant civil war with no better buildings that straw roofed farms, a decentralized disastrous government and a disconected political and economical landscape\n\nThe only reason england ever succeded was the norman conquest. Otherwise england would be another literally who norway"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDoes medieval Norway not have serfdom or something?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLike half of medieval norway population were slaves and the other half near-starving fishermen because norway is absolute garbage for farming. Anon is a faggot."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>heading to dbecome world hegemon\nlmao, they were nowhere near \"heading to world hegemon\" under the Normans, ffs they spent centuries barely controlling part of France before being driven back over the Channel"}, {"id": 7, "content": "norway controlling england could be better"}, {"id": 8, "content": "GODwinson should have won and established a great dynasty. No Norge or Normans. England for Anglos"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThe whole point is that england only followed such path because it became involved into continental politics. A thing that would have never happened otherwise"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>farming\nHow different from little ice age?\n\nhttps://www.youtu.be/uQ1CRE2CjLQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nIf Harold ended up winning slavery would still be a on institution on the British isles, the British never would have sent the Africa squadron to end the Atlantic slave trade and slavery would still be an institution in the west. People always forget Willian banned slavery in England when he came into possession of it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would Britain be better had the Anglo-Saxons repelled the Normans? Discuss\n\nBritain would have remained an irrelevant Scandinavian-tier nation instead of becoming a powerful and relevant France-tier nation."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nGuess we're just skipping over that bit where slaves were on British soil after the Atlantic slave trade was established"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nI’d rather live in Scandinavia than Fr*nce"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course, Normans brought culture and writings back to England. Almost nothing is remembered from the Saxon period. Norwegians just wanted to continue their sackings just like they did with Scotland."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Almost nothing is remembered from the Saxon period\nExcept for the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People..."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nContinental entanglements are the exact opposites of what Britain wants and needs. It was only after the last of the continental holdings were lost and the Norman heritage renounced that Britain was able to set itself on the path to greatness."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>A literal who nation in European affairs until late 1600s\nThe Spanish and the Dutch had to decline first, and until the revolution in France British empire was peripheral to most continental affairs."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n... do you think you're disagreeing with me?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>British soil\nWhat do you mean by this? Overseas colonies? Southhampton? Preface what you're talking about because I wanna know."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\n>The whole point is that england only followed such path because it became involved into continental politics. A thing that would have never happened otherwise\nIt was already involved in continental politics.\nOver a century before king Athelstan's half sister Edith/Eadgyth married Otto I the East Frankish king and his other half sister Eadgifu married Charles III king of West Francia.\n\n>>15\n>Normans brought culture and writings back to England.\nThere was already culture and writing in England. They brought their own and had a massive impact upon England though, obviously."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Do you think the Norman Conquest in 1066 ended for the better?\n\nYes, because the vocabulary of English was doubled."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nBased and Borges-pilled"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is like asking if you would have been a Gigachad with better genetics by changing who your grandfather was. It's impossible to answer, aside from the fact that England today would be utterly unrecognizable and entirely different from what it became in the last 1000 years."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\n>the British never would have sent the Africa squadron to end the Atlantic slave trade and slavery would still be an institution in the west.\nYeah I'm certain absolutely nothing would change in 800 years and Napoleon would habe been fighting fucking Housecarls with battle-axes in 1800."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThat's easy to answer. My grandfather is 5'0."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of the complaints about the Normans in English political culture are just stand-ins to attack Catholicism or the Stuart dynasty.\n>>12\nI don't follow. The Netherlands, another North Sea Germanic state had a global empire. Why wouldn't England, with its' more favorable geography and larger population not atleast equal the Dutch?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThe county of flanders was extremely involved in germany and france politics. I mean. Literally 40% of Norman nobles that invaded england were Flemish nobles. While england was a scandi tier island isolated and disconected from everyone. William wife was literally a flemish noble.\n\nCompletely different landscapes"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nThe franks themselves and some of the most relevant cities and areas related to them were either in calais, belgium, the netherlands or alsace\n\nIs an horrendous comprision\n\nEngland was a irrelevant shithole conquered by norwegian river pirates split in a billion kangdoms"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThey were mostly Danish, not Norwegian, and you keep spamming le river pirates maymay as if it's some kind of own when the Normans themselves claimed descent from le norwegian river pirates that bullied France into letting them control Normandy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nstrawman"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was she such an ungrateful arrogant deceitful slutty bitch?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "thats what women are like G\nalso he was trying to increase his social position with the marriage so he couldnt go snatching some simple peasant girl"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause that's how Napoleon was as well. She cheated on him, he cheated on her, and it worked. They had a good dynamic and loved and understood each other, although in an odd way.The moment he ditched her his downfall began. She was his lucky star."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nShe literally cheated on him when he was in the midst of rising to the top of Parisian hierarchy. Literally everyone in the capital knew his fortune was changing and yet she chooses that exact time to fuck around. Where's the logic?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHe gave her the ick, and he's, like,totally short..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNapoleon loved Josephine, just read his letter that he sent to her. He didn't start cheating on her until he found out she cheated on him which completely changed him. Such a betrayal from the woman you loved can change a man."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Napoleon was a Corsican - a med momma boy - while she was fr*nch. Also, her being a whore is a myth accepted by pop history. It says a lot when BRITBONG propaganda and caricatures never said anything about her promiscuity while rentlessly mocking old boney.\n>>unknown\nengl*sh hands made this cope"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThis\n\nIf anything, I blame Napoleon's military failures on her being a whore and mindbreaking him. If she would have stayed loyal, she would have been empress consort of the world."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Also, her being a whore is a myth accepted by pop history. It says a lot when BRITBONG propaganda and caricatures never said anything about her promiscuity while rentlessly mocking old boney.\nIt goes back before the British published Napoleon's correspondence which accused her of cheating in the press.\n\nShe was Paul Barras' mistress before he passed her off on Napoleon and they then first began a relationship."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nNapoleon wasn’t actually Corsican."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>It goes back before the British published Napoleon's correspondence which accused her of cheating in the press.\nSource?\n>>10\n>t. Shitalian"}, {"id": 12, "content": "He took an intense dislike her dog, who always selpt with her and would bite his toes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause she could anon, because she could\n\nto be fair the inner self of a women is a slut, it's pure determinism, the only question is if she has the condition to exercise her true self"}, {"id": 14, "content": "she's French\nthe Austrian princess whom Nappy married later was total trad and went from disliking him to loving him greatly. The opposite of his relationship with Josephine"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nJosephine loved him too. They stayed on good terms after the divorce. Just before she died she was begging Russian emperor to let her join Napoleon at Elba."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Let's be honest here: Nappy only cared about her tits"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nJosephine only started \"loving\" Napoleon when Napoleon wanted a divorce because of her infidelity. She begged him not to divorce her because she knew that she was dried up old cunt and that no one would marry her again. Unfortunately for Napoleon he had a soft heart for her and stayed with her. She never cheated again, but that doesn't mean Napoleon trusted her."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nThe attached excerpt was taken from the following source: https://www.napoleon-series.org/research/napoleon/c_napjos.html\n\nIt details her relationship with Barras, how Barras passed her off to Napoleon because of her being a spendthrift (something that correlates with Napoleon once remarking the only thing that came between him and the whore was her debts to which she responded by saying something along the lines of his manhood having never come between them), how she was essentially convinced to marry Napoleon to avoid losing her allowance, how she regularly made a fool out of him behind his back while he was rising in society while risking his life at the front, how Napoleon's own general - Murat - reported news of Josephine's cruelty to Napoleon, etc."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThis is also true according to the source provided here >>18 but I doubt her reason for not wanting a divorce was her hitting the wall. Rather, it was to avoid a scandal and take advantage of Napoleon's newfound wealth.\n\nThe only reason she never cheated (publicly, anyway) was likely out of fear of Napoleon's response - not out of genuinely loving him considering that cruel comment about his manhood."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nAnd bear in mind this all happened before the British published Napoleon's correspondence stating he was to prepare for a divorce sent from Egypt.\n\nHere's a source for that in addition to a collection of letters from both Josephine and Napoleon displaying his heartache and her entitled sluttiness.\n\nhttps://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_josephine/emperor/page_1.html\n\nHere's one of the worst of her letters:\n\n>I’m going to the country, my dear Hippolyte…Yes, my Hippolyte, my life is a constant torment! Only you can restore me to happiness. Tell me that you love me, that you love only me!… Adieu, I send you a thousand tender kisses... and I am yours, all yours.\n\n>Yes, my Hippolyte, they all have my hatred. You alone have my tenderness, my love. They must see how I abhor them from the frightful state I’ve been in… They see my regrets, my hopelessness at being deprived of seeing you as often as I desire to. Hippolyte, I’ll kill myself. Yes! I want to end a life which from now on can only be burdensome to me if it cannot be consecrated to you."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIf I was Napoleon, I would have brought her on my next campaign where she'd tragically and coincidentally get hit by cannon fire or a stray bullet or twelve."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI also would have had Hippolyte coincidentally trip and fall in the Danube while carrying a heavy pack of provisions - causing his tragic drowning. Someone how a Crocodile from the French Zoo, brought as a moral booster, would also be taking a swim in the Danube at the same time."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\nCope and seethe, Pierre. Total Nigtalian and French death."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nBrutal dogpill."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n>>19\n>>20\nBut do we have any British propaganda that's making fun of Napoleon after all of these stuff?\n>>23\ndon't you have an asshole in need of rape by an indian, nigel?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nSource: https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_josephine/emperor/page_1.html\n\n>Unfortunately, this letter was captured by the British, who gleefully published it in the London papers. Now all of France knew of Napoleon’s changed feelings for Josephine. Mortified, she hid herself at Malmaison.\n\nAttached is also a comic by James Gillroy portraying Josephine dancing nude in front of Barras while Napoleon sits in the corner like a proper cuckold.\n\nSource: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/354228"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Napoleon sits in the corner like a proper cuckold\nSorry, he's not sitting - that's Barras. Nappy is looking behind a curtain like a proper cuckold while Barras is getting the 18th Century equivalent of a lap dance."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Hey guys I know we are only trying to establish power and stability in the nation but I think we should also start working on making an enemy of the strongest powers in the world right now while we are at it.\nThinking back what was his problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "worked for napoleon for a time"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nTrockist doctrine of permanent revolution sais you start a revolution in one place then continue to play risk till you conquer the planet"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIt worked even better for, of all places, the Soviet Union."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Thinking back what was his problem?\nThe curse of Cassandra. Right every time but those around him wouldn't listen. USSR should've been on a rapid expansionist red crusade for the globe from day one, he was right that if they didn't expand ASAP that they'd get bottled up and stagnate while capitalist countries coordinate against them."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>dude just destroy the USSR lmao if it fucks up we'll try it again somewhere else (I'm a rootless cosmopolitan so who gives a fuck about the actual people living in a country lol)\ngo back to hell Lev Davidovich"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nWhat Trotsky wanted was different than what Stalin wanted and the timing would be different. Imagine if they had tried being more expansionist and funding subversion in Europe pre-WWII, they not only would have had the Nazi's against them but also a good chance England, France, and the US would be as well."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUgly goat faced Jew, glad he died an excruciatingly painful death"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any notable historical examples of Christians converting to paganism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmperor Julian."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWouldn't make any sense to do so. Hellenic Paganism was inferior in every aspect. Even Judaism would have replaced it if it didn't have kosher laws and didn't circumcise."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nModern-Day Judaism is Hellenized. Lurianic Kabbalah is just Orphic mysticism with a Hebrew veneer and a bit more racism."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Paganism isn't institutional so it would be weird. There is definitely many christians that converted hinduism though\nBut the social structure involved is complicated and not sistematized let alone formalized"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSo? Christianity is also thoroughly hellenized. You can't have a non hellenized religion if fedoraposters/skeptics are constantly trying to deconstruct it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nAlso Pharisic Judaism was already Hellenized even before Christianity. Making religion rational gives it a much stronger foundation than just claiming divine revelation."}, {"id": 8, "content": "There's a number in India, China, and Japan."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo because pagan beliefs were usually ethnoreligions to some degree. It's the same reason why various christkek offshoots like Noahidism exist. It bridges the philosophical gaps between faiths tied to the tribe vs \"God designed this universe indiscriminately and unconditionally\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPagan religions are tied to an ethnicity and have no need for missionary efforts to \"convert\" Christians to their pagan religion.\n\nHowever, there are many examples of \"christian\" communities still being essentially pagan, following local deities in secret as they didn't care for the Semitic, yahweh, but would be persecuted if they were open with this anti-semitism"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat one Rockefeller guy who got stranded in New Guinea and now lives there undetected."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I´m sure there have been countless elites who secretly practised more esoteric, pagan-like modes of spirituality whilst professing to be good Christians, just like we have today. \"The Sun King\" anyone?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nHeinrich Himmler"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Go ahead, cry more about Arabs."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhats the arab version of Harvard, Oxford or Cambridge?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAl-Karaouine is older than all of these"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYet it has produced not even 1% as many notable figures."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI know of exactly 0 Harvard alumni, most academic folk is obscure and irrelevant"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhos crying about arabs anon, this isnt 2007"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nsome Persian faggot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmazing how much bullshit you can pack in one image"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe first university was in Bologna founded by christians in 1080.\nThe issue with muslim successes is that they're all a lie."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nYou don't know Obama?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>alumni of greatest western academia\nSome nigga who bombed toddlers\n>alumni of oriental academia\nOh no no no"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>syrian salafist malding\nlmao"}, {"id": 13, "content": "What about ancient greece academies? There were the predecessor of today's universities, just like the arab ones, if we call the arab ones universities too then we should call the greeke ones too and if this is the case then white peoeple did it before sand niggers.\nAnother victory for the white race."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\n>mosque and"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>>14\nI accept your surrender"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich great intellectuals have those Arab universities produced in the last 500 years that aren't theology fat ass sheikhs?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nKek you really rekt him"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Ἀκαδημία was built a thousand years before the first one of you goatfuckers learned how to read and write"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThere is literally an Andalusian (Averros) in that painting"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\n>Ibn Khaldun and two garbage medieval philosophers.\nI respect the contributions to math and science by medieval Musliums, but their philosophical output held the world back for a millennium. All of it could be destroyed and the human race would lose absolutely nothing."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nName 5 books on islamic philosophy you've read"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI've read portions of Al-Ghazali, Averroes, and Avicenna. They all belong in the trash with Aquinas, Anselm, Maimonides and any all of the philosophers of that era. Destoying all philosophy from and including Plotinus and before Descartes would do humanity some good as it would prevent otherwise intelligent people from wasting their time with empty-headed, meandering garbage. Medieval philosophy, regardless of the faith of the author, is a stain on humanity."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>learned how to read and write\nAlso dude youre literally using a butchered semitic abjad from the middle east to say this"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>portions\nYea I dont recall them writing a book called \"portions\", lets see some namedropping or be outed as a pseud"}, {"id": 25, "content": "typical Andalusians, notice something?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n>One Arab amongst dozens of non Arabs that preceded him by thousands of years\nOk so"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nmfw there were Visigoths in Andalusia\n\nAnyways here is a statistic done by actual historians of Andalusian scholars"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>Al-Karaouine\nWas a mosque and as far as I can tell didn't start teaching until the Marinids in the mid-13th century.\nIf you're going to count simple madrasas then western ecclesiastical schools predate them with several still around from the 6th and 7th century.\nActual universities taught outside of the ecclesiastical school framework and the oldest extant one of those is the University of Bologna from 1088 and their dress was a standard medieval one of their class."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would I cry about Arabs? I fully acknowledge that Arabs have an interesting history, and that at times, they (or at least Muslims) have been of academic importance. History doesn’t need to be a pissing contest."}, {"id": 30, "content": "all they did was write poetry and translate roman and greek texts, there was not a single unique innovation, some religious institutions training people to copy the koran have been memed into a renaissance and industrial revolution for which europeans should be all thankful for, they are equal in intelligence to cro magnon indo-europeans, in fact they are superior in intelligence because they taught us to bathe, thanks for the history lesson"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm pretty sure academic garb is derived from the type of clothing worn by scholars in medieval Europe which was mostly derived from Christian clerical style robes"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>Roman texts\nholy kek"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>18\nWhat does a greek school have to do with Angloid sheep shaging peasants?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>24\nI have anthology of Medieval philosophy, and I read the selections from the Incoherence, The Incoherence of the Incoherence. I'd hav eto look up which work from Avicenna was in there.\nIt was all a massive waste of time."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\nthey were whiter than modern day spaniards?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\nActing overly pretentious won't cover up blatantly lying: the marinids? Really? Made up bullshit, karaouine was a mosque for barely 3 years, this goes for most early learning institutions listed here that you try to dismiss, meanwhile most western learning institutions were monasteries for hundreds of years before serving educational purposes: youre not smart, just biased"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nYeah that's because you're reading anglo-selected, hand-picked aristotelian brainrot, has nothing to do with the nature of the literature of the time"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nRead the meccan revelations by ibn arabi, catholic and islamic scholastic literature was really not as similar as these retarded anthologies try to make them out to be"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nI'd believe it if it weren't for the fact that philosophy got so much better when someone decided to abandon their project. It's clear that they were holding humanity back."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nBullshit, you're probably just a politics-obsessed type who consumes philosophy as \"theory\" for strictly ideological purposes, the medieval scholastics, at least the islamic ones im familiar with, espoused some of the most profound metaphysical insights to date"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>Bullshit, you're probably just a politics-obsessed type who consumes philosophy as \"theory\" for strictly ideological purposes\nConsidering this is how I see anyone who finds value in medieval philosophy, so I don't think we're going to get anywhere."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nWhat? Medieval philosophy is 90% metaphysics, you're clearly out of your depth"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christgoys never recovered from this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's why I'm a pagan"}, {"id": 3, "content": "replace gods with scientific theories"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDozens have scientific theories have been proven to be correct, but so far no god has been proven to be true"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>unknown\nThe difference is that scientific theories are supported by evidence. I know this stuff can be complicated."}, {"id": 6, "content": "there are no female atheists"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\ncollatz conjecture is supported by evidence, doesn't mean it's true until there's a formal proof though."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nso atheism is the most masculine ideology then?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nScientific theories fit the working definition of being supported by proof. If you’re denying the theory of gravity of germ theory you’re wasting everyone’s time. Now where is the proof for the god of your religion?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've some Christians say that that other gods are demons pretending to be gods."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI've heard some Christians say that the other gods are demons pretending to be gods.*"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nWhy God desire for them to do that?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>so atheism is the most masculine ideology then?\nNo, second most. Eastern Orthodoxy and Islam come first."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhat's masculine about being a slave or kneeling to the big-hat in Moscow?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nMiddle eastern Jesus is a true man, you wouldn’t know about that w*stoid"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nEven if every scientific theory is wrong that wouldn't make sky jew any more real."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nall part of god's plan, trust the plan"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWhat's masculine about dying a virgin?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNot being so insecure about sex that you have to defile and fornicate in order to feel accepted"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhat masculine act did Jesus do that I cannot?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nNothing, you can be masculine and a true man thanks to him"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIf Mary never had did virgin-birth, what masculine acts could I not do?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSpeak truth"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nCarrying a cross for half a hour under scorching desert sun while he was missing half of his back as a result of lashing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>13\nI don't think God made them larp as as gods, I think they chose to larp as gods. It's still a weird answer considering the fact that there were some gods that were fair to humans."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\naccept undeserved death to redeem humanity"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nWhat exactly would prevent me from speaking truth if this universe's cause didn't die on a cross 2000 years ago?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWow, I can't do that\nThis Jesus guy sounds super macho"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheism is outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. But of course, pseudoskeptics never actually read the literature on NDEs, they just dogmatically think that it must be false because materialism _MUST_ be true.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>3\nwhy would you worship scientific theories when they are overturned or changed/improved upon quite often"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>unknown\nThe important part here is what is meant by \"right\" and what is meant by \"philosophy\". If you can define that then this sentence may begin to mak sense. It's a terrible analogy for the first quote."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\ndifference is, opinions need not be purely believed but may be proven true"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>3\nWanna meet up and bet $5000 that if I drop a pencil it won't fall down?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>many christians accept the existence of these 3000 \"gods\", just call them demons\n>historically pagans have been more likely to syncretize or append gods of other cultures to their own pantheon than outright deny them\nIt's only really with Deist post-enlightenment Christianity do they deny the multitude of spirits living in a world; to them the world is mechanistic clockwork set in motion by God in the beginning of time then he fucked off and hasn't messed with the mechanism since. Atheism is just one step away from that, just subtract God from it and you have a mechanistic universe set in motion by chance. Atheists are a Protestant Christian sect."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\n>christards think this is an own"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>3\nkys"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nGood science is falsifiable, religion is not falsifiable"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>30\nI'm not convinced. ask me why."}, {"id": 41, "content": "i fucking LOVE science, guys"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>3\nscience is a process"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there are 3000 different moral systems\n>but only yours is objectively true"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRicky Gervais will burn in Hell for his apostasy."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>3\nNobody worships a theory. if you do you aren't a scientist and don't understand science. A good part of science is questioning and trying to debunk existing theories, you will win a Nobel prize if you do"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere isn't a \"your\" God. There's just God"}, {"id": 47, "content": "There are infinite answers for 2+2 but only yours is correct.\nThe others are silly made up nonsense.\nBut not yours.\nYours is real."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Greco-Roman polytheism practised so much less than Germanic polytheism when it’s far, far better attested in every aspect?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt should be accepted by \"Nord's\" since Athena did have blue eyes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBacause it needs cool marble temples, not just a tree in a swamp"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Because you're on an English language website instead of a Greek or Italian language one. There's an equivalent amount of Hellenists and Religio Romanists in Greece and Italy."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Grecoroman politheism is full of homosexuality, greasy and smellyif you wanted that may as well just become hindooo"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe more documented a tradition is, the less room there is to fill in your own ideas. Also neo-nazis."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Because when the west began de-Christianizing it was presented with Greco-Roman religions as foolish outdated concepts along with it. They were lambasted concomitantly. There's no reason it won't make a comeback though.\n\n>>6\n>Also neo-nazis\nPromote polytheist religions these days."}, {"id": 8, "content": "because it transformed into Catholicism. No need for larp"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Grecoroman paganism is greasier catholicism"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 11, "content": "There are Greco-Ronan pagans but they probably don't speak English primarily. People need to stop judging what's popular globally by basing their demographics off of an English-speaking anime board."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n/thread"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Because there are no Hellenes left in the world. At last not as part of an ethnic group of Hellenes. Modern Greeks have very little relation to the Ancient Greeks. After independence Athens was a tiny village, where Albanian was spoken. They actually had to teach a substantial amount of the population the Greek language, because so many Greeks were simply Greek-Orthodox Albanians.\nGreek-Speaking Muslims were deported to Turkey, they were not regarded as Greeks. Only followers of the Greek Orthodoxy were regarded as Greeks.\n\nThis is not a real nation. It's a civic identity (modern Greek) based on a religion (Greek Orthodoxy) based on a civic identity (Byzantine Empire) and its extreme anti-pagan and assimilation efforts."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npractised?\ni swear if I ever see anyone talking about Jupiter unironically he's getting smacked without any chance of defending himself"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nso modern 'Greeks' are just an artificially constructed identity? Basically a LARP? What do you propose is the solution/right way of action, after people realize this? Should Greeks deconstruct and assume another identity? Wouldn't that be just another LARP?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPossibly because Romanticism was less prevalent among aficionados of Greco-Roman culture than among those of Germanic culture. Neoclassicism in European culture of the 19th century had connotations of being associated with rationalism and kind of downplayed the more overtly mystical and actively polytheistic aspects of classical culture.\n\nMeanwhile, the growing appreciation of pre-Christian Germanic culture was absolutely steeped in anti-rationalist, anti-enlightenment German romanticism which produced the völkisch movement. Its out of that we got Guido von List, who is basically the father of Germanic neopaganism as we know it.\n\nThere were definitely mystics and occultists who used elements of classical paganism, but it tended to get folded into broader currents of Western esotericism than being expressed as an outright revival of classical polytheism with nationalist overtones. So for example you had Crowley worshipping Pan and Wiccans worshipping Diana, but it had fuck all to do with Italian or Greek nationalism or wanting to revive ancient Greek or Roman culture."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarketing, mostly. Vikings are a lot more popular in the English speaking world than hoplites or legionnaires. There are lots of Greco-Roman pagans, but they all live in Greece or Italy (some in France, but idk how many)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nGolden Dawn was full of Hellenists.\n\n>>16\nThis is also a big answer. At the same time that von List was demonstrating that you can in fact just start worshiping Odin, Greece was having a heated debate over whether there should even be a \"Greece\" or not, with one faction wanting a vaguely Christian Liberal republic and the other wanting to remain a province of the Ottoman Empire because the Greek Patriarch said that it's every Christian's duty to serve Muslim rulers."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nOnly good answer ITT"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Golden Dawn was full of Hellenists.\nyea you're right anon.\nalso, there is a new political party that's basically a successor to Golden Dawn. it was founded by a former Golden Dawn spokesperson and parliament member. It's called 'National Party - Greeks', and a significant portion of those guys are also Hellenists.\n\nhttps://wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party_%E2%80%93_Greeks\n\n(pic rel is their logo)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>>20\n>>16\nAdding on: there's also a different sort of religious conception in Greece than in the post-Protestant West. Here, religion is ultimately about a bunch of people doing something as the laity of an organization with clergymen in line with some kind of ideology. In Greece, and to a lesser degree Italy, religion is largely about an amorphous and distant laity funding highly devoted clergymen who are removed from worldly concerns. This is present in Christianity, but it was also present in Hellenism before Christianity came along. So, the sort of WE MVST RETVRN mindset that you see with Germanic polytheists isn't really present because Greek laymen just exist in a blissful state of unpaid dewntbs, secure in the knowledge that wise men are out there handling affairs for them. Outside of like, once-per-quarter festivities like the big Dionysus one about a month ago, or Paschal or whatever, they just don't care about religiosity as a particular mode, but they'll be very offended if you dare to imply that the Monks at Mount Athos shouldn't be praying, or that the dudes who get together at the Parthenon shouldn't be sacrificing."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\n>>17\n>>4\n\nThis."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nWell said. There's a big difference between the Secularized Protestant Anglophone West and Southern Europe. The cultural perception and mindset of the people regarding religion is radically different."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's his fucking problem!?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI never got the sense he liked Marius"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Bullshit!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Get the fuck off my board and go back to /pol/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nReligious discussion belongs on /his/."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou are not presenting a religious abstract. You are being a fucking retard. To this end you are slinging overtly charged statements at a religion based on hundreds of millions of lives that have already been lived; want to know why the words in the book are true? Too fucking bad. You’re simply too fucking retarded to understand the word of god, regardless of the form. A universally emboldened force could walk right up to you and you’d never know any better; spiritually sleepy you are."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni'm not a muslim and hate islam but how was muhummad illiterate? wouldn't he have at least had to have read the quran and possibly wrote or co wrote it?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe was literally a trained and educated scholar. OP is terminally brainwashed by specifically Catholic propaganda"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe traditional Muslim and scholarly view is that Muhammad was illiterate. Muhammad basically just reiterated what the angel Jibril/Gabriel supposedly told him, I believe specific surahs had been written down by scribes before Muhammad’s passing. It was one of the tightly guided/first four Caliphs that they were reassembled/compiled into the Quran."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>how was muhummad illiterate\nlearn the basics. when muhammad got his first visitation from jibril/gabriel, the angel told him to \"read this shit\", upon which muhammad replied \"I cannot\". muslims are insisting muhammad was illiterate as a defense against claims that he copied his rants from christians and jews."}, {"id": 9, "content": "oooh hitchslap gottem"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad didn't exist and all his alleged sayings were gathered in Persia 200 years after he allegedly lived."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nbased"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Watch out im gonna say the N-"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased hitchens"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nYou don't say that on the anti-Christian threads."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\nThe word of God? - Any evidence to support that?\nThe Quran claims that the earth is at the center of the universe and in Sura it claims that Muhammad split the moon in two with his fingers. Complete bullshit. You don't think other civilisations would of recorded the event or the mass tsunamis that it would of caused? What's more likely the laws of nature were suspended or this is an Arabian fable?\n\nIf the Quran is supposed to be the final revelation to mankind why can the Quran be only fully understood in Arabic?\nWhen the majority of people on the planet can't speak Arabic?\nNot a very effective way of revealing a message to mankind is it?"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Fedora containment thread when"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\n>He was literally a trained and educated scholar.\n\nNah he was a successful rug merchant with a loaded sugar momma"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>He was literally a trained and educated scholar\nHe never learned to read but was a well connected merchant with enough money for other people to read and write for him.\nIt was via trading routes that he was exposed to Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism and his local pagan faiths."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminder that this pseud makes the following claims in his epic take down of religion that redditors love:\n\n>Hitchens states that John Wycliffe and Myles Coverdale were burned alive by the Church in the 14th and 16th century, when both died of old age. (page 125)\n\n>In the previous sentence, he claims that \"There would have been no Protestant Reformation, if it were not for the long struggle to have the Bible rendered into 'the Vulgate'\" ([sic], he means vernacular, vulgate refers to a specific 4th century translation of the Bible... in latin), even though a German translation had existed for centuries, and Gutenberg Mentellin printed his German Bible in 1455 1466, nearly fifty five years before Luther's 95 theses! (p.125)\n\n>(And speaking of Martin Luther, he is famously said to have spoken the words \"Here I stand, I can do no other\" at the Diet of Worms in 1521, not in Wittenberg and not in 1517 as Hitchens states. He also did not nail his 95 theses to the door of \"Wittenberg Cathedral\", which had and still has no Cathedrals, but to the door of All Saint's Church) (p.180)\n\n>Hitchens concludes that Buddhism is anti-intellectual based on a written sign he saw at Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh's (Osho) Ashram... Who was a Hindu. Or rather, a cult leader who was barely recognizable as even a Hindu. So much for his ten pages on the \"Eastern solution\". (p.196)\n\n>He states that Jesus Christ was actually born in 4 AD... When all the serious scholarship I found on the subject agrees on a date around 6 BC, and definitely before 4 BC (which is when the infamous King Herod died). (p.60)\n\n>He misattributes a quote to Thomas Aquinas (famous for his breadth of scholarship) of \"I am a man of one book\" as proof of his narrow-mindedness... When the real quote is \"I fear the man of one book\", and even that quote is highly suspect considering it first cropped up in the 17th century. Hitchens himself seems to be the only source for his version of the quote, as far as I can tell (p.63)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n(cont.)\n\n>Hitchens gets Bart Ehrman's name wrong (\"Barton\" Ehrman?) multiple times despite quoting him extensively through his book, misattributes work to him, and claims he's Christian when he's long identified as an agnostic atheist (he's still alive today, he really could have just asked him). (p.120, 142, 298)\n\n>He claims that the early Church burned and suppressed the works of Aristotle and the Ancient Greeks, which is not only complete fabrication, but especially egregious since the only reason so many even survived the fall of the Western Roman Empire is that the (Christian) Eastern Roman Empire and Christian monasteries in Western Europe actively preserved and copied both, and often incorporated their thoughts into their own philosophies and scholarship. (p.25)\n\n>Hitchens gets even basic names wrong while talking about the book of Mormon: \"Nephi the son of Lephi\" is in fact the son of Lehi, and the \"made-up battle of Cumora\" would in fact be made up since it's the battle of Cumorah. So much for his alleged \"close and erudite reading of the major religious texts\". (p.163, 167)\n\n>Bafflingly, he gets the date of the American Civil Rights Act wrong in the same section, \"1965\" instead of 1964! Where was the editor!? (Especially since the Mormon revelation he tries to place before the passage of the Civil Rights act was actually 13 years after his own incorrect date, in 1978) (p.167)\n\n>Hitchens calls John Adams a slaveholder, even though Adams is famously notable for being one of only two among the first twelve US presidents not to own any slaves! (p.181)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n(cont.)\n\n>This one is just incredible. Hitchens classifies the great (agnostic) physicist Fred Hoyle as a \"creationist\" for supporting the \"Steady-State\" theory that was the main rival to the Big Bang theory... When it reality Hoyle opposed the Big Bang Theory partly because of its implied confirmation of Genesis 1:1 (According to Hoyle, it was cosmic chutzpah of the worst kind: “The reason why scientists like the ‘big bang’ is because they are overshadowed by the Book of Genesis.”)! The Big Bang Theory which was first hypothesized by Georges Lemaître... a Catholic priest!!! Not only was the Steady-State theory perfectly legitimate and respected in its time (before it was disproven by Hubble), but Hitchens has somehow taken an agnostic physicist opposing a physicist priest's theory because it sounded too theistic, and turned it into a creationist's dogma-fueled denial of the \"true\" science! It would have been impossible to be more wrong had he actively tried to be! (p.65)\n\n>Hitchens claims he was a \"guarded admirer\" of pope John Paul II. This seems to be at odds with his previous writings in the hit piece he wrote at his death in which John Paul II is described as, I quote \"an elderly and querulous celibate, who came too late and who stayed too long\", and suggested that the only reason he would not burn eternally for his crimes was that he was too rational to believe in Hell. (p.193)\n\n>The Arian Heresy never taught that the Father and Son were \"two incarnations of the same person\", as Hitchens claims in passing snark about Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un. In fact, it taught the exact opposite, that the Father and Son were two wholly distinct entities, with the Son begotten by and subordinate to the Father. (p.248)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n(cont.)\n\n>He claims that the Rwandan genocide, where one Catholic ethnic group tried to exterminate a different Catholic ethnic group, was caused by religion on the basis of an obscure prophecy uttered by a fringe sect leader (whose nickname he gets wrong as \"Little Pebbles\" instead of \"The Little Pebble\") seven years before the genocide and at best briefly co-opted by the Hutus, rather than the perfectly secular ethnic tensions most historians agree are the cause. I have been able to find no actual historian seriously naming the excommunicated mystic as a cause of the Rwandan genocide other than Hitchens. (p.190)\n\n>Hitchens affirms that Protestants were forbidden from holding office in Maryland, when that was actually Catholics. (p.34)\n\n>He repeats the tired myth of Pius XII being a \"pro-nazi\" pope when his only source (in a rare instance of him naming it) is John Cornwell's infamous book \"Hitler's Pope\", which has earned its own post in this sub, and was criticized so much by the historian community that Cornwell was forced to publicly back down from his own claims in 2004, three years before Hitchens would quote them extensively in god is not Great. (p.239-240)\n\n>In a similar vein, he writes that \"Benito Mussolini had barely seized power in Italy before the Vatican made an official treaty with him, known as the Lateran Pact of 1929\"... Except Mussolini took power on October 29, 1922. Seven years earlier. (p.235)\n\n>Hitchens claims that theists \"yielded, not without a struggle, to the overwhelming evidence of evolution\", when Darwin was a Christian convinced that God was the \"First Cause\" of evolution, and though he later became agnostic, he stated that \"In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God\", and the Roman Church never opposed the theory of evolution. Not only that, but he conveniently ignores that the field of genetics was founded by Gregor Mendel, an Augustinian Monk. (p.85)"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>He calls T. S. Eliot a \"Catholic intellectual\" even though he was an Anglican (probably on the basis that he once described himself as \"Anglo-Catholic\", but that is a current within Anglicanism and most certainly not a profession to Roman Catholicism) (p.237)\n\n>Hitchens snarks that all the splinters and nails of the True Cross, if put together, would make a \"thousand-foot cross\", but a 19th-century painstaking cataloguing of all known splinters by Charles Rohault de Fleury found they a total mass of about 4000 cubic centimeters. For reference, that's almost precisely one American gallon. (p.135)\n\n>He quotes the controversial Fawn Brodie's equally controversial claims about Mormonism by referring to her as \"Dr. Fawn Brodie\"... Even though she's never held any sort of doctorate. (p.162)\n\n>He states that Orthodox Jews have sex \"through a hole in a sheet\". None of the three branches of Judaism have any such bizarre impositions, and any amount of research should have disproved this tired old anti-Semitic myth of sexual deviancy from a religion notable for actually encouraging husbands and wives to make love as a point of doctrine. An especially head-scratching passage considering his copy-editor and publisher were both Jewish. (p.54)\n\n>Hitchens affirms that religion is necessarily hostile to medicine, when both Christianity and Islam were building hospitals and at the forefront of furthering medical research, which he conveniently ignores. (p.46-47)\n\n>He claims that \"a papal army set out to recapture Bethlehem and Jerusalem from the Muslims, incidentally destroying many Jewish communities and sacking heretical Christian Byzantium along the way\", which must have made it an army of prodigiously long-lived individuals, since those are events from the First and Fourth Crusades, over a hundred years apart. Not that even this is relevant, since the Rhineland massacres were perpetrated by the People's Crusade that was most definitely not endorsed by the Pope (p.23)"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n(cont.)\n\n>Perhaps not a \"false claim\" so much a particularly ironic erring: \"The loss of faith can be compensated by the newer and finer wonders that we have before us, as well as by immersion in the near-miraculous work of Homer and Shakespeare and Milton and Tolstoy and Proust\", as of these only Proust was not devoutly religious (and not even an atheist, an agnostic): Homer's tale is entirely inspired and animated by the gods, Shakespeare was a conforming member of the Church of England, though some historians suspect he was secretly Catholic, Milton's religious views inspired many of his greatest works including the explicitly religious Paradise Lost and, particularly ironic, Tolstoy rejected Hitchens's thesis that the meaning of life can come from art or philosophy or science, stating instead that \"only faith can give truth\". (p.151)\n\n>Hitchens affirms that the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was \"announced or discovered\" in 1852, and the dogma of the Assumption in 1951. The dates he was looking for are 1854 and 1950. (p.117)\n\n>He repeats the schoolyard myth of ancient theologians arguing about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin even though it's common knowledge that it's a satire of medieval \"scholastics\". (p.68)\n\n>Hitchens makes the baffling claim that \"there is no country in the world today where slavery is still practiced where the justification of it is not derived from the Koran\", conveniently ignoring China, Brazil, and arguably the USA, among many others. (p.181)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>le rationale logical man who hasn't got time to waste on bullshit!\n>smokes himself to death"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>>23\n>>22\n>>21\n>>20\n>>19\n>Reminder that this pseud makes the following claims in his epic take down of religion that redditors love\nOr he is right ad this is Christ-tard fictitious bullshit that nobody takes seriously because like all things Christian, it is erroneous."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>>le rationale logical man who hasn't got time to waste on bullshit!\n>>smokes himself to death\nChristians don't care about smoking themselves to death because they know they will go to heave anyway."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>>Hitchens makes the baffling claim that \"there is no country in the world today where slavery is still practiced where the justification of it is not derived from the Koran\", conveniently ignoring China, Brazil, and arguably the USA, among many others. (p.181)\nLol, China, Brazil and the USA don't have legal slavery. Christ-tard alert, Christ-tard alert.\nI can just tell that all these supposed \"errors\" are rubbish."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nSuicide is a sin"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\n>>20\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\nAnd this absolute sub-human was known as a pre-eminent public intellectual? Holy shit"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>Suicide is a sin\nAccidentally killing yourself isn't suicide anon.\nChristians actually think that they can trick god.\nThey constantly forget that their imaginary god knows and observes all things all the time.\nYou see similar bullshit in Islam and Judaism.\n4chan Christ-tard literally wank off to gay porn and think god doesn't know because their parents haven't seen them wank off to gay porn.\n>>30\n>And this absolute sub-human was known as a pre-eminent public intellectual? Holy shit\nHoly shit anon. You are an amazing samefagger.\nWhat a cool bullshit list you wrote up.\nWow are you retarded."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nBack to R eddit, deluded whore."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>Back to R eddit, deluded whore.\nOnly gays and trannies call people whores on 4chan anon.\nLol, you're a tranny larping as a christian.\nHahahaaaaaaa. WTF."}, {"id": 35, "content": "Yahweh is a Jewish \"god\".\nJesus was a Jew.\nMary was a Jew."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>26\nHoly cope. The only debatable point is the last one. Even if I wasn't Catholic I'd be embarrassed to defend this book now, everything he posted is true and you can verify under half a hour using Google."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>Holy cope. The only debatable point is the last one. Even if I wasn't Catholic I'd be embarrassed to defend this book now, everything he posted is true and you can verify under half a hour using Google.\nLol, you are only saying that because I checked the last point. The rest without a doubt are also complete bullshit."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAlright then why don't you refute every single one of them? You have the time, but you haven't presented a single argument why any of them are false. If you are so sure that you're right then you can you easily why each point is false, can't you?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>10\nthis is stupid he obviously existed even if he didnt say all that stuff. at least jesus deniers can fall back on the fact he left no political legacy outside of his church"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Alright then why don't you refute every single one of them?\nWhy should anyone waste time with your mentally ill bullshit?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nAre you 12?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Are you 12?\nAre you?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>30\nHis lies about Mother Teresa were terrible too. The guy is a hack."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>His lies about Mother Teresa were terrible too. The guy is a hack.\nHe was spot on about Mother Teresa and your millionaire \"saint\" was a hack."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If economics is a valid field of study, why have economists never been able to prevent recessions?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe point of economists is to facilitate and explain the recessions, dumass"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWorthless wasted first reply. This thread is doomed to the shitter."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe problem is few listen to economists, or they prop up pseudoeconomists to back up their bad policies"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't hear about the recessions good economists have prevented. You only hear about the ones that they haven't. It's like workplace accidents... some companies/countries are well-run and have fewer, others have them all the time.\n\nSome countries emerged from the 2008 Great Recession unscathed (because they had dynamic economies and low debt levels, like Australia) others suffered through nearly a decade of recession (like Greece or Latvia).\n\nAlso this >>4"}, {"id": 6, "content": "If biology is a valid field of study, why did covid happen?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEconomists are dogmatic idiots that constantly undermine their interpretation of current economic situations with their autistic Marxist/Liberal/whatever they subscribe to, so their distort the reality of the situation according to their favourite g*rmanoid accounting school's dogmatism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nOnly literal retards support capitalism.\n>>5\nIdiotic, worthless reply. His is a retard board so they will agree, and the thread will hit 300 replies.\n>>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nI predicted the 2022 and other recessions on pol. I am the only person who isn't a retard.\nYou'll die at last from peak oil. But his is a retard board and will discuss lib economics (which is garbage).\nAll that matters is resources, plus basel requirements. You'll die at last."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Inflation is the capitalist's fault\n>Inflation is the state's bureaucrats' fault\n>Inflation is the Jew's fault\n\nWhy do economictards insist of clinging to their outdated theories and to apply them constantly today as if they were hard empiric sciences?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nResource depletion causes recessions. Mods deleted the first reply.\nThe fact this thread exists at all is proof his is a mouth breathing retard board."}, {"id": 11, "content": "This was a comfy thread but now GDP schizo is here..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nInflation happens when production costs and aggregate demand share a positive relationship - the causes of this are varied."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nEconomics isn't a comfy subject, it's the ultimate jew subject.\nYou could have picked anything else."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nInflation is caused by jewish control, there's not a real reason for it, for example jews hyperinflated countries they didn't care about."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRecessions are natural behavior because it’s impossible to prevent economic speculation"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nI still wonder how the fuck he isn't IP ranged banned yet, he isn't even using a VPN, he just goes around vegas to get around mutes, it just really shows how mods don't give a shit about this place"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nYou sound like a rambling lunatic"}, {"id": 18, "content": "if meteorology is a valid field of study, why have meteorologists never been able to prevent hurricanes?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nRecessions are caused by resource depletion obviously. There are other factors but resources cause it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nAnd you could have picked any other topic to unleash your autism on, go shit up threads about religion and atheism like the rest of the tards."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSeriously? This is just gapitalism vs cummunism thread #6million, there was never any value to this thread."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nNo, it's Nazism vs Communism as GDP schizo argues with a /pol/tard that thinks Economics is jewish or whatever. I'll leave you two to it."}, {"id": 23, "content": "economics isn't a real science, it's \"do whatever rich people want\" laundered through universities"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nIt already was that debate, now we're just waiting for another moron to bump the thread.\nResource depletion causes all recessions. The resources follow the hubbert curve and are stuff like gold, oil, coal and copper.\nThere are stock market crashes and the coming collapse of capitalism but those are separate."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>4\n>Seretse Khama\nHoly fucking based. I want to read more about this man."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>8\nWhy do you spam this board?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nBecause jidf."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWhat on earth is the JIDF?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nJust looked it up and they sound like faggots."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nJust Incase, Don't Forget"}, {"id": 31, "content": "economy is a social tool of governance"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how did Somalia manage to be the only mono-ethnic country in the world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEthnic conflicts didn't exist before the cia. The cia picked other things here like religion and politics so there's no ethnic group."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean, would YOU want to move to Somalia?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is living in Slovenia besides Slovenes? Who is living in Libya besides Libyans? Who is living in Jamaica besides Jamaicans?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe ethnic cleansing of 1910s Turkey was a pre-CIA event"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThose are irrelevant, Jamaica has different races as does Libya."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Who is living in Slovenia besides Slovenes?\nGermans, Serbs, and Croats\n>Who is living in Libya besides Libyans?\nBerbers\n>Who is living in Jamaica besides Jamaicans?\nMixed race, whites, Afro-Jamaicans themselves aren't even a homogenous group"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGraph is meaningless (Ireland diverse but Somalia not) but anyway, there are no real homogeneous countries.\nJapan has a jomon heritage which is suppressed. The Asian countries are artificially homogeneous due to authoritarian suppression of minorities.\nEurope is pretty much mono ethnic outside of jews and groups that exist everywhere like migrants.\nThe most mono ethnic countries are remote Siberia tribes. There's not really a mono ethnic country, there are countries that aren't important or honest enough to define their ethnic subdivisions."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBesides meme China, declaring \"Italians\" a single ethnic group is dishonest."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fuck is this map?\n\n>China\n\nHas literally dozens of ethicities\n\n>Japan\n\nHas Ainu and Ryukyuans\n\n>Vietnam\n\nHas Cham, Hmong and other minorities. Same goes for Cambodia and Thailand\n\n>Mongolia\n\nKazakh minority\n\n>Taiwan\n\nHas an aboriginal minority\n\n>Turkmenistan\n\nHas Uzbeks, Russians, etc.\n\n>Azerbaijan\n\nHas Lezgins, Armenians (especially if you include Nagorno-Karabakh, which Azeris would probably want you to), Russians, Tatars, Kurds and others. Caucasus in general is pretty diverse with lots of small ethnic groups.\n\n>Armenia\n\nMore homogenous than Azerbaijan, but still has some small minorities\n\n>Georgia\n\nHas Abkhazians, Ossetians, etc.\n\n\n>Lebanon\n\nHas Druze, Marionites, Greeks, Armenians\n\n>Jordan\n\nHas Circassians\n\n>Cyprus\n\nLiterally divided in half between Greeks and Turks\n\n>Egypt\n\nHas Copts, Nubians, some Berbers\n\n>Somalia\n\nHas some localised Bantu and Ethiopian groups\n\n>Greece\n\nHas Aromanians, Turks, Romani and Macedonian Slavs\n\n>Albania\n\nHas Northern Epirote Greeks and some Romani, a few Slavs from neighbouring ethnicities too\n\n>Romania\n\nHas Romani, Hungarians/Szeleky, Transylvanian Saxons, Dobruja Bulgarians and Tatars and Turks\n\n>Ukraine\n\nHas Russians in the east (which you know, the whole war thing kinda revolves around), Crimean Tatars, Rusyns, Jews, Vlachs, etc.\n\n>Hungary\n\nRomani, Jews, Germans to some extent, mostly integrated now but historically Jasz people\n\n>Croatia\n\nSerbs, Bosniaks, Istrian Vlachs, Italians, Romani, Hungarians\n\n>Italy\n\nBesides internal diversity of Italians, South Tyrol Germans, Albanians, Greeks, French and Occitans in Aosta and parts of the South, Italian Jews, Romani\n\n>Finland\n\nSami, Finnish Swedes\n\nAnd so on"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Be China\n>Define everyone as Han"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>algeria\n\nLmao\nIt has berbers, arabs, negroes, kabyls..."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Doesnt somalia has jareers?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIt has lots of ethnic groups, all the terrorists from other countries and the cia is an ethnic group."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nJareer means curly hair so yes."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nAre you an ESL? The map says \"countries where a single ethnicity encompases 85% or more of the population\" Not whatever the fuck you're thinking about. I don't know why you think listing off multiple ethnic minorities in vairous countries is going to change anything, regardless of how incorrect the map may or may not be."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nYeah but most somalia conflict doesnt stem from this jareer group. Somalia conflict is usually based on somali clan vs other somali clan"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNo, it's based on Ethiopians, foreign terrorists and the cia."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nApparently if you ask the Jareers/bantu slave descendant they themselves consider themselves Somalis since they speak Somali and are Muslim."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nYou forgot about Indians, Chinese, and Arabs"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nShit I literally missed that bit because I didn't enlarge the image."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\nLinguistic minorities =/= ethnic minorities\nThe majority of Maghrebis descend from Berbers, especially in Morocco and Algeria. Tunisia has a slightly more significant Arabian component but still mostly Berber ascendancy."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nthis is literally it, this is the worst case of Reddit spacing I have ever seen .We can't even operate."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nYour primary language informs your ethnicity more than your DNA."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey offer the least of any country so no one moves there. the population is literally horrible and irredeemable by most other ethnicities standards."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nNo it doesn't. Ethnicity is based on shared ancestry, language and cultural traditions. Members of the same ethnic group are supposed to be related. A European who was born and raised in China will never be Chinese despite speaking native Mandarin. American Whites and Blacks speak the same language yet they're not the same ethnicity."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nProblem?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>live in same desert nomad hellhole since eternity\n>only change in lifestyle is through trades and other kinds of exchange\n>never get rich\nyeah\nimagine Saudi Arabia if it never got rich"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n90% of neighboring european ethnic groups are genetically near-identical and clearly form different ethnic groups.\nClearly identical racial characteristics (black vs white skin) is obviously a catalyst for ethnic grouping but these situations explain a tiny fraction of ethnic division. There is much more interracial division."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nMy point was only that DNA is more important than your primary language. For example, Jews' main relation between each other is shared ancestry. Despite speaking many different native languages, they're still a single ethnic group.\nEuropean \"ethnic groups\" were formed through nationalism. All regional languages disappeared in favor of a single national language and national identities were built based on that. A similar process has happened in the Maghreb and nowadays +95% of Maghrebis natively speak Maghrebi Arabic, so even by your standards Maghrebis form a single ethnic group."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nThere's a bunch of Indians in Jamaica."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>even by your standards Maghrebis form a single ethnic group.\nI never suggested that people who speak the same language must be of the same ethnic group or vice versa.\n>jews\nI think their ethnic solidarity is exaggerated but clearly their genetic background is unimportant here as georgian jews, yemeni jews, ashkenazis and ethiopian jews etc are all very genetically and visibly distinct.\n>nation states\nwhat does this change?\n\nIn most circumstances genetic difference is extremely gradient. A significant fraction of Han Chinese overlap genetically with (and look like) South-East Asians yet nobody treats them differently."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>2\n>\"the way to fame on a mongolian basket weaving board is to have some barmy claim repeated ad nauseam associated with you\"\nif anonymity hurts you so much, why are you here? go back to you know where."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok look maybe jesus wasnt arabic, but he wasnt white either."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>jesus\n>half skyfather half arab\n>HE MUST LOOK LIKE A FULLBLOOD ARAB OF HIS TIME EVEN DOE HIS FATHER IS A WHITE DOVE MADE OF CLOUDS AND PROBABLY R1B"}, {"id": 3, "content": "what a retarded threat\nAnyway here's Tomasi's actual reconstruction.\n/thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI only corrected the reconstruction and made it look like the ancient icons :)"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Modern-day Levantines are basically octoroons/quadroons."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Did the Bible ever mention what God looks like?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWhoops wrong pic, here's the real jesus"}, {"id": 8, "content": "most accurate reconstruction"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Samaritans actually refute Christianity. The Bible, a Jewish political propaganda work, asserts Samaritans are some kind of rapefugees from god knows where that have no connection with the original Israelite rapefugees from Egypt(which wasn't a thing either), but genetic and literary studies on them have proven that they are completely authentic and simply represent the very first Abrahamic schism. Even Jesus believes Samaritans are evil foreigners, but he is resoundingly wrong. Christians have no defense against this."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus didn't exist."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>love your racial kinsman\nwhat /pol/ bullshit is this"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nr1b slaves worship their J2 master as God worldwide"}, {"id": 13, "content": "The house of David was tested as I2 tho, their descendants in Armenia and Georgia are also I2 of the same clade, and such a clade is found among some modern Levantines."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe NYT readily claims that GOP politicians of Middle Eastern descent (e.g. the Sununu dynasty, Justin Amash) are white, while Democrat politicians of Middle Eastern descent are people of color. \"Whiteness\" has little to do with geographical, ethnic, or racial background and more to do with politics in boundary cases like the Middle East. Whatever owns the conservatives (or the libs) is what determines whiteness. Such is life in clown world."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nA pseudo neanderthals?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nIt's christtards pretending they have any notion of loyalty, which they don't have and never will have"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>A pseudo neanderthals?\nArmenoid"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nactually arabid and have some armenoid features\njesus probably looked like mizrahi jews"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there an equivalent of Plutarch or Gibbon for Asia? I don't want to read modern shit written by and for redditors"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSima Qian"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho the fuck even is Gibbon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">there’s been hundreds of different concepts of how diseases spread throughout human history but only yours exists\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real\n\n>there have been thousands of different accounts of how the earth was formed throughout human history but only yours exists\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real\n\n>There have been millions of different theories on how the human body functions and how to best ensure health throughout human history but only yours exist\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't go to hell for not believing those"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this fucking thread again\nthe argument is that monotheism is hypocritical because its fucking stupid to dismiss other religions for reasoning that tends to be unironically atheistic, or just 0 reasoning at all, but then turn around and make an exception for one single religion. if you ask christcucks why they dont fear odin/zeus/jupiter etc, they smugly tell you that those are just fairytales, yet smoke comes out of their ears if they try to think about applying this to their own faith.\n\nthis is why monotheism is absolutely cringe and melts your brain by trying to make you think contradicting things. thinking that all gods are real, but yours is the strongest, is the most based and rational belief in a world with more than 1 religion"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAn astute take, Anon."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n> the argument is that monotheism is hypocritical because its fucking stupid to dismiss other religions for reasoning that tends to be unironically atheistic, or just 0 reasoning at all, but then turn around and make an exception for one single religion.\nWhich is a bullshit incoherent assertion as atheism refuses (by its nature) to apply the same standards of empiricism and skepticism to their own senses of the natural world (which themselves are not measurable nor quantifyably)\nI’m simple terms\nThey don’t adhere to the same level of scrutiny they apply to Christianity"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nexcept we proved those other things. there's not the slightest proof of yahweh."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nThe pagan gods of the bible are treated as real"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Romans give the name Germania to the Germans? \"Germanus\" literally means sibling, or of the same parentage."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCause the Romans are so well known for appreciating and respecting other cultures lol"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat are you actually trying to say? You're not very funny."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe etymology is unclear, but there have been multiple proposals.\nhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Germanus#Latin"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>It is not to be confused with the word germānus (“of brothers or sisters”), which derives from germen (“sprout, bud”) and is thought to be unrelated.\nOP is gay"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>germānus\nThis is literally the word Germania. If you take this word and apply it to a land using language rules it would mean \"Germania\". The root for sprouting would actually imply that Romans literally came from those lands.\n\nWhy are people ITT pretending there's no etymological connection?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCe5O_LFSWE&t=216s [Embed]\n\n>3:30 video shows Italians coming into Italy from northern Europe circa 1000 BC"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>homophones don't exist"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nLivy says Romans came from the Raetians. Explains why their emperor's are I2."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nBecause two similar sounding words doesn't mean they are the same thing, are the Veneti of Vence and of Ukraine the same group?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>The English word for something slightly distant to the person is \"There\"\n>The English word for a plural possessive pronoun is \"Their\"\nWow! They must be related etymologically!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYour example comes from two different sources and does not appear to be similar or make any logical sense. Germanus and Germania come from the same source, follow the rules, and make logical sense."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYou're claiming that etymology doesn't exist."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nCan you prove Germanus and Germania come from the same source, in this context of the words having too unrelated meanings to the Romans?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhat is the context for them being unrelated? The context of definition was already explicated. They're either referring to their brothers or their homeland."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThere is no roman source that states something similar, why would they adding the Germans the name \"brothers\" and then never refer to them as such in any way nor explain why their name implies kinship?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nBahya says the Romans come from Satan"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>never refer to them as such in any way nor explain why their name implies kinship?\n>>9\n>Livy says Romans came from the Raetians"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nI can bet that he also believes Welsh and Wallachians are related peoples\nOr that santa is satan"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nwait wait wait, based Jews?\nHOLY SHIT, i didnt knew Yids were Procopius gang (he is a reliable source for Emperor Justinian's life and he accised Justinian and all of his court of being demons in human body)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\n>The Raeti were a confederation of Alpine tribes, whose language and culture was related to those of the Etruscans."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n>We Jews don't believe in Satan adversarialism\n>That's Christian\n>But these races I hate are satanic"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>The earliest mention of the Raeti in surviving ancient sources is in the Histories of Polybius, written before 146 BC.[4] The Raeti, according to Pliny the Elder, were Etruscans driven into the Alps from the Po Valley by invading Gauls.[5] This account of Raeti origins is supported by the Augustan-era Roman historian Livy.[6] If this historiography is correct, then the displacement from the Po valley would have taken place in the period 600-400 BC, when major migrations of Celtic tribes from Gaul resulted in the Celtisation of that entire region.\n>According to Livy, the \"sound\" of the Raeti's original Etruscan tongue (sonum linguae) had become corrupted as a result of inhabiting the Alps.\nThe Rhaeti were not a Germanic tribe."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\n\n>The root for sprouting would actually imply that Romans literally came from those lands.\n\n\nWIR…"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>It will not repeat itself\n>Repeats itself constantly for the rest of history\nLol"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nRight,Raetians gave birth to both"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nThis is before the Germanic language existed, Germans would have been speaking a Celtic language."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nAlso,this is outright contradictory to the source material it's citing."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nRhaetic wasn't a Celtic language either. It wasn't even Indo-European."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nLivy says that the language had morphed. Ffs,did you not bother to read the source material?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nWAREN"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nOk, so the Rhaetians were originally a pre-IE people, but they were Celticized later. How does that make the Romans \"brothers\" of the Germanic tribes?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nCelts from Germania moved to Raetia then to Latium. The three languages morphed post BAC. Etruscans and Romans both came from Raetia. Lookup Raetian script."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>24\n>>31\n...RÖMER :)"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>6\nGermania is not the same as Germanus. The \"a\" in Germanus is long."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nCelts are still not Germanic and Rhaetians are still related to Etruscans."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>26\nand your source is?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nLivy. Read above."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nGermans spawned from early Celts hence where it gets it's IE from and why it deviates so heavily given the time frame. Both Etruscans and Latins come from pre-Germanics please keep up."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nProve through Livy that the Rhaeti and the germanics are the same people, or that germanics come from rhaetians then"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nIt's already extrapolated from the video and citation above. You're at the part where you need to start disproving things."}, {"id": 42, "content": "Y’alls all retarded: it’s quite possible that the germ- root does indeed mean brothers or of the same seed in the proto-Germanic/Celtic language and that the Romans simply used the proto-Germans’ internal demonym in referring to them. This would hardly be unprecedented. That is all."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nNone of that makes sense linguistically. We know the Rhaetians spoke a non-IE language originally, before they adopted Celtic and later Latin. So what you're saying is the Germanics split off from the Celts (this is also linguistically implausible btw, but it'snot the craziest part of your post so I'll overlook it), then a branch of Germanics split off, became Rhaetians and decided to start speaking a non-IE language for some reason, then Latins and Etruscans split off from them (and the Latins picked up a new IE language), THEN the Rhaetians who'd stayed in Rhaetia switched back to Celtic? Isn't that a bit over complicated?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>3\nhe's probably german"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n> Why did the Romans\n\nYou are literally talking about a people on such a level of big dick energy that they purposefully misnamed their nearest civilizational neighbor and entire inspiration to their culture because they just kept using the name of the first(utterly irrelevant btw) tribe of them that they ever met;\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graecians\n\nit's a miracle they weren't calling the Parthians Phraatians Orodians or some shit"}, {"id": 46, "content": "Look at how northernly Yurope is. Southern Yurope would be in the temperate/cold zone for a lot of countries and Northern Yurope should be frozen tundra like Canada and Siberia"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nwhat is a yurope"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nThat 70 year old video merely says the latins migrated from the north, nowhere it even mentions the rhaeti let alone states that it it's from them the latins and germanics come from, your source is literally useless"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>41\n>dood Germanoids exists in these lands today\n>it means an ancient extinct people were actually Germans\nActually, I wont be surprised if you think Ashina tribe of Turks is related to Ashina tribe in Japan or Hitties and Egyptians are actually related because they called each others \"brothers\""}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\n>We know the Rhaetians spoke a non-IE language originally\nThat's not apparent at all and Livy says that they developed an independent verbal language post-migration. He explicitly states that it was hard to tell by his time because they spoke so differently. However, the earliest Raetic artifacts date between the 7th and 9th centuries- something which the above copy/paste got wrong. The Raetic script by the way matches closely to what was found in old Scythia as far as Kazakhstan and used in the 2-3rd centuries BC and in early Greece. All scripts appear Runic in form. Celtic tribes had interspersed in the region, and that's not unusual because early forms of Celtic were everywhere from Germania to Anatolia and beyond.\n\n>then a branch of Germanics split off\nThe earliest Germanic samples, supposedly, date to the 4th century BC. You have to wrap your head around the fact that entire language groups get formed suddenly and then spread rapidly and stop treating languages as always existing and spreading slowly.\n\n>then Latins and Etruscans split off from them (and the Latins picked up a new IE language)\nLatin and Etruscan cline more closely to original Celtic. Latin probably split around 1000-900 BC, which is what that old video suggests and what modern archaeologists have found. The 753 BC birth date for Rome may be spurious but it's based on the list of kings.\n\n>THEN the Rhaetians who'd stayed in Rhaetia switched back to Celtic\nNo, Raetic had already deviated out of Celtic pre-900 BC. Celts had settled in Raetic lands because they had open borders.\n\n>Isn't that a bit over complicated?\n\nYou may not like it but this is what peak Indo-European migration looks like."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>45\n>\" Aristotle (4th-century BC) records that during the deluge of Deucalion, the Graecians were the inhabitants of Hellas (i.e., \"the country about Dodona and the Achelous [river]\") who were also known as Hellenes.\"\n\nIt makes sense given that Graioi would have been the first Hellenes. If it's post Deucalion's flood then they would have predated the other Hellenic migrators."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nThe video just states that Etruscans and Latins among others came from the north, which is corroborated by Livy, and the time frame of around 1000 BC makes the most sense for various reasons, such as this being in the aftermath of the Trojan war."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what can i, as a seminarian, do to be smarter than your average minister?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "not post on /his/, for one"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt already over for you seeing as you’re going to /his/ to learn shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Try not worshiping a jew in the sky."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I is of fuhrer. And my posts on this board this evening.\n\nBut you know what I will be saying to this thread\n\nDon't you ??? !!!"}, {"id": 6, "content": "We know what.we.want.NAO"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Read more\nSeek an additional degree beyond the mdiv"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead Jewish commentaries on the Bible to gain a more holistic perspective and become well-versed in interfaith dialogue. Especially look into Jewish views on Christianity.\nI recommend sefaria.org\nRashi's commentary and the Talmud are among the most important secondary Jewish sources for a beginner.\nFor some more recent (20th/21st century CE) interesting works on Judaism and its relationship with Christianity, I recommend:\nThe Messianic Idea in Judaism by Gershom Scholem\nThe Attitude to Christianity in Sefer Ha-Meshiv by Moshe Idel\nBeware the World to Come by Christopher Jon Bjerknes\nThe Legend of Armilus by Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nLol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did James Longstreet deserve the rehabilitation of his image or is entirely because of pseuds who read The Killer Angels?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's the best corps commander of the war and one of the greatest Right-hand Mans in military history, up there with Titus Labienus and Axel Oxenstierna."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a good subordinate and a poor independent commander, just the opposite of Stonewall Jackson.\n\n>pulverizes the AOTC at Chickamauga\n>two months later in the Knoxville Campaign he was like a chicken running around with its head cut off and lost a battle to Burnside of all things"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe wasnt so bad.\nhe was extremely kino post war when he and Union general went to a bar, he offered to walk him home, the Union general then offered to walk Longstreet home, then they both ended up going back to the bar to pass out while drinking."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't Hinduism just get replaced by Islam in the same way that Zoroastrianism was replaced by Islam or Germanic paganism was replaced by Christianity? What made Hindus more resistent to conversion than other pagans/non-Abrahamics?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam requires you to wash yourself before you enter a mosque.\n\nWith water, not with cow dung.\n\nSo it's eady to see that Islam never had a chance in India."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n??????"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoos are more useful as slaves"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn my opinion, Muslims had a harder time converting Hindus than they did other pagans for a few reasons:\n1. Hinduism is a well-developed, formalized religion with a powerful priestly caste. Its adherents and especially its leaders were capable of articulating effective anti-Muslim arguments. It enjoyed patronage from existing rulers. All of these facts made Hinduism much more resilient than paganism as practiced in Arabia or West Africa. (I don't know enough about religion in pre-Islamic Iran to make the comparison there.)\n2. On a practical level (not just a theological one), Hinduism is less compatible with Islam than many forms of paganism were. Hindus are major idol worshippers, burn their dead, and venerate cattle, while Muslims smash idols, bury their dead, and eat cattle. These distinctions deterred many potential converts, and furthermore made it harder for there to be any sort of Muslim+pagan syncretism like what you see in West Africa.\n3. Muslims didn't rule most of South Asia for that long. There's been uninterrupted Islamic rule of Egypt for over 1300 years; obviously the religiosity of those rulers has varied, but Muslims have been in charge the whole time. Despite this, 5-10% of Egyptians are still Christians. It's a similar story in the Levant. By comparison, Muslim rule in India was shorter-lived and also not as widespread. If the Marathas and the British had never become major players in the region, you'd probably see even more conversion to Islam over time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell in comparison to Iran, India simply was under Islamic rule for a far shorter time. Iran has been under Islamic rule since the dawn of Islam up until…well today.\n\nWhereas for India, Muslims only really breached modern India’s borders in 1192, with the Second Battle of Tarain. The Mughal Empire began a massive decline in the 1700s. Thats a little over 500 years. Which is long however short compared to nearly 1300 years of Iran.\n\nIn those 500 years many Hindu kingdoms still persisted by the way. Various Rajput kingdoms, the Eastern Ganga dynasty, the Marathas and many kingdoms and Southern India such as the Vijayanagaras. There was a more formidable Hindu resistance than the Zoroastrians. The first 300 years of Islamic rule in India was actually pretty fractured up until the Mughals came along in the 1500s.\n\nThe last reason is India is also far more populated and has a much harder to govern terrain. Theres a lot of jungle and mountains. It was simply harder for Muslims to convert and control people even in their own domains. Still despite all this Muslims now make up 30%+ of South Asia."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nGood morning sir\n\nWill you kindly let me into mosque like this so I can do the needful five times a day?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The entire purpose of WWII was for the Nazis to invade Britain to depose and replace the Hanoverian British monarchy with the Stuart line of the Wittelsbachs, who still believe they have the right to the throne.\n\nThe Catholic Church (who allowed the Nazis to come to power) is just the hub of operations for the Stuart line of the Wittelsbachs.\nThe Act of Settlement of 1701 (only protestants can claim the throne) really pissed them off."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's like biden stealing the election but 300 years ago."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThese people play the long game"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis, it's only a matter of time before Britain finally erases the anti Catholic laws in succession based on religious liberty or whatever, the Anglican church is already a finger away from the coffin and when that happens the crown will have no choice anymore but to seek another religious legitimacy (aka Rome) with the conservative remnants of the church of England forced to merge with the Catholic ordinariate"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "North Korea is poor because it lacks a port. Suezmax\nSouth Korea is useless. They made one mediocre tank. North Korea has lots of its own tanks, it makes aircraft and submarines too.\nNorth Korean artillery is in Ukraine. North Korean technology is far ahead of the south.\n\"Being stuck in 1950\" is good as living standards peaked in 1850. Older technology is better and north korea clearly has a superior industrial base than the south, which is entirely shipping and kpop.\nHis is a retard board and will claim north korea is backward."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngdptroon lost\npeak oil won"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWonderful jidf."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. North Korea is a model country."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">North Korea lacks a port\nIt's literally a peninsula. nigga how does this even happen?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSuezmax port."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What causes low birth rates?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDensity and also Mao is literally TIK and also there is no peak oil"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't poor whites rebel against the slave elite?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are currently trying, however the slave elite whom are beloved by the mutts have an entire police force guarding them, preventing poor Whites from defending themselves.\nSomeday the slave elite will fall and those slaves will be thrown back into the primitive life they were brought out of."}, {"id": 3, "content": "ever heard of West Virginia?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did?\n\nThe bulk of the Southern Unionists who joined the Union army were poor farmers."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWagies are bigger cucks than actual slaves"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Some post-conquest sources report that at the re-consecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs sacrificed about 80,400 prisoners over the course of four days. This number is considered by Ross Hassig, author of Aztec Warfare, to be an exaggeration. Hassig states \"between 10,000 and 80,400 persons\" were sacrificed in the ceremony.[15] The higher estimate would average 15 sacrifices per minute during the four-day consecration.\n\nWhat the FUCK was their problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What the FUCK was their problem?\nThey were based. Modern society is dysgenic. Culling the weak warriors who lose battles is a good thing.\n\nSpartans killed their babies but I don't see you whining."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1. how would they have calculated that? tzompantlis mentioned in codices have only been rediscovered very recently and each one has like 100 skulls on it max. it's not like they sat around and counted the fucking bomes either.\n\n2. it's just hard to believe they had so many people. there are no really sources on pre-Columbian numbers but any more than 1.5 million across the whole of Mexico and South America when the Spanish arrived is pushing it.\n\n3. even though Aztec blood rituals and general savagery is well documented, there's literally nothing unreasonable about believing that Spanish priests simply pulled numbers out of their asses to spook the clergy in Spain."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Lose a battle\n>Kill all your \"weak warriors\" who survived\n>Now your army is weaker and your enemies realize you have fewer guys\n>Also your army never learns what it did wrong to lose the battle, all the experienced guys are dead so you have to spend time and money training and equipping them\n>Officers and commanders are more hesitant to act because failure equals dying so they never try anything risky\nYea, you should never be in charge of running a state."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>there are no really sources on pre-Columbian numbers but any more than 1.5 million across the whole of Mexico and South America when the Spanish arrived is pushing it.\nI've never seen an estimate that low. The pre-Columbian population of the entire Western Hemisphere is usually put in the tens of millions, and the areas of highest density were Mesoamerica and the Andes."}, {"id": 6, "content": "While I don't doubt that the reconsecreation of the Great Temple happened and there were sacrifices for the event (sacrificial burials are often found in the remains of pyramids in their expansion phases), there were not 80,000 people sacrificed or even likely 10,000.\n\nFirstly, logistically, the higher ranges there would be impossible. For the 4 altars at the Templo Mayor to sacrifice 80,000 people across 4 days, that be 1 sacrifice every 17 seconds per altar, 24/7 across the period. Keep in mind that involves moving bodies around and the actual ritual steps involved in the sacrifice. It's infeasible. Even 10k to 20k range (2500-5000 a day) is very unlikely: Even Nazi gas chambers could only kill 6000 people a day, and that was a fully industrialized system.\n\nThe more damning piece of evidence is that recently, one of the phases of the Great Skull rack (and it's twin adjacent towers) was excavated: That rack seems to have had around ~12.000 skulls in it, with the towers having an additional few thousand most likely, with the reports published so far establishing it was the rack during Ahuizotl's reign as king/emperor, which is important since that 1486 reconsecreation was preformed for Ahuizotl's coronation.\n\nIn other words, the rack would have likely been the very same rack the sacrifices from that reconsecreation were placed in (Duran, the source for the 80k figure, states they were placed in a new rack constructed for the event). The reports so far also imply (tho do not explicitly state) that the rack had deposits in it ACROSS multiple years of Ahuizotl's rule, so that ~12,000 (plus the towers) total isn't just from the reconsecreation, but also for years, maybe decades of sacrifices afterwards.\n\nTl;dr, the reconsecreation, at most, probably had 10,000 sacrifices, but more likely had a few hundred or a few thousand. Similarly, the rack excavations suggest a few hundred to a few thousand is what would have been done annually, rare events like that aside.\n\n1/?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were quite primitive savages\n>>2\nSo non dysgenic that their whole society collapsed in a matter of 1-2 years"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Why do people these days place so much importance on young love and youth?\n\nHaven't people always did this? Like, since the dawn of time? Pretty sure this isn't a modern phenomenon."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npeople are bored, kids get to do whatever and not care about things, when you become an adult you have to work, for the rest of your life, and nothing is guaranteed like a family, community, or national autonomy.\nthey desire a more infantile life, they remember how care free their lives were.\n\nTruly Children benefit the most because the country today is made to be a daycare for everyone, and children, who require a daycare \"i.e. 17 year olds arent going to know how to fix a car or survive in the woods for three weeks or something\" while adults, like 25-35 are restricted from practicing self autonomy, you can no longer just live off the land, you can no longer form a warband or fight for yourself, you can no longer take your defense into your own responsibility, you can not hunt, you can not wander, you can not become self sufficient, you can not kidnap a woman, you can not fight a man to settle a disagreement.\nNow children do not do those anyway, so they do not feel the loss of them, but adults feel the loss, and so they long for when they were in their \"prime\" state when they had the most responsibility \"can drive, sexo, get pocket change at a job\" but they also do not feel a need to live on their own, become independent, or take a long term companion and build a family, all of which have become more difficult."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI want to lick that belly button then slug it full power 3 times"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople on here act like their lives are fucking over if they didn't experience teenage love"}, {"id": 5, "content": "at least i can live vicariously through muh animus\nit's not creepy to watch cartoons about teenage love as a 30 year old"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Everyone on earth is a retarded NPC.\nIf you quit your pointless retail job, capitalism will collapse.\nIf you don't reproduce, capitalism will collapse.\nThe power to end capitalism is in your hands. You can die at last, it's your choice. Be free of perpetuating liberalism and end your existence."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Unironically what the fuck was his problem? He was a violent psycho even by the standards of the time."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a British vassal.\nThere's a cycle where the west creates fake countries then takes them down. Greece with persia, Greeks with Kievan Rus, British with Peter, ford with communism, imf with yelstin. The west keeps creating fake versions of itself and destroying them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo doubt he and the events surrounding his life were very violent, but the narrative of him being crazy is nonsensical and likely just invented to cover up true events and motivations, e.g. him destroying Novgorod is usually presented as a brutal act of a madman (at worst) or just him asserting his power (at best), completely ignoring the fact that Novgorod was a Hanseatic League city and Ivan just helped set up the Muscovy Company and was in the process of granting the English merchants, who were enemies of the Hanseatic League at the time, extensive trade privileges. So he basically destroyed the main competitor of his new allies / sponsors.\n\nIvan also disappeared and \"abdicated\" two times during his reign, only to return surrounded by foreign mercenaries and re-assert himself in a bloody purge and / or murder of all his previous close associates (including his son). This is presented as him being crazy paranoid and trying to suss out traitors (or him just being unhinged like the supposed murder of his son), but it might as well be that those were simply coups that put impostors in power and murder of loose ends. Wouldn't be the only time that happened in Russia's history.\n\nBut all these possibilities are just covered up by \"wow Ivan was just so crazy random\" narrative based on a couple of sources."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhat’s this, an actually interesting schizo theory? Please, do elaborate."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCivilization began in East Africa. The nile is the world's largest delta, and before humans could drink African milk was better. Geomancy is math, Africa invented domestication, bureaucracy and civilization.\nThese are the \"true hebrews\". They moved to Palestine to scam tourists over palm reeds and became jews. Then they spread to Europe after the Assyria exile and Roman revolt and created liberalism.\nJews go where the trade is. This was originally eastern Europe and also jews created Persia. Jews left to Persia after losing to Assyria, and croesus gave them gold and created gold money. Persia invaded Greece with Spartans and created western civ, and dravidians from east Africa created their own civ that traded with Persia and merged into this.\nThen europe became the jew side due to gdp=tourism. After starting in Greece and all the aforementioned happening it spread to Poland and Crimea, and jews did slavery. Then those became obsolete as the slaves escaped and jews went to England.\nEngland built up russia against the ottomans then fought the Crimean war to prevent their vassal taking over the world.\nThen the west destroyed Russia with bolshevism and then built it up with fordism, and then destroyed it again with the IMF."}, {"id": 6, "content": "The Nile is not the largest delta, I meant the largest river, although it's close to the largest delta."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nAnon, he was no worse or better than any other king at the time."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nVery interesting. One of the reasons Europe ever bothered going out to sea was to avoid the Ottomans who controlled the end of the Silk Road, but at the same time the Ottoman empire was one of the most tolerant places a jew could live in the region. Why would supposedly jew run countries want to destabilize a country that was (relatively) tolerant to them?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOttomans were one of the first zionists, it wasn't about destabilizing ottomans so much as undermining their own bureaucracy which was an obstacle to jewish trade and activities, jews readily eat their own when it's needed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nSupporting one tribal strongman over some others to serve as a proxy in colonial affairs was standard procedure and done all over the world. Muscovy under Ivan cemented its place as the dominant Rus successor state and rebranded itself as \"Russia\" to usurp the others just as it allied with English and Dutch merchant interests, destroying local powers allied with other foreign merchant interests, in particular (Hanseatic) Novgorod.\n\nThe Muscovy Company established under Ivan was the prototypical English chartered joint-stock merchant company. Later groups like the East India Company copied its charter and methods."}, {"id": 11, "content": "The mere fact of killing Turks and Mongols already makes him a hero to me."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot any more violent, just more ruthless and authoritarian. A lifetime of abuse showed him that no ethics within a power structure should be taken for granted."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhy didn't he kill himself then?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's based because his rise eventually ended with the Caucasus totally subjected and unabke to play their double dealing games that they've been pulling from the Romans to the Ottomans and the Persians to the Safavids"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nto see the consolidation of his empire, a powerful state that continues to kill and humiliate Turks and Mongols to this day...we can say that the Slavs finally took revenge on Genghis Khan\ndefinitely a happy ending"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYeah, I really love not having a caucasian buffer region keeping Muslims out."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArchaeological evidence shows that his remains had exceptionally high mercury and arsenic concentration. It also widely known that he had suffered from frequent headaches and had neck injury. This would explain why he was jerk, because his life was in constant pain. Interestingly enough that all Rurikids have extraordinary concentration of arsenic in their remains."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nCould it be low-quality silverware?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nRomanovs did have that issue, as other boyar families."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Serfie serfie till the terfie\nMonk gets beef and gets real girthy\nMonk is comfy\nMonk is cool\nMonk is free for prayer and school\nSerfie Serfie pay your tax\nSo monk can stay inside and 'lax\n\nSerfie toiling in the fields.\nMonk is given half his yields.\nbaron takes all of the rest.\n\"B-but I worked so hard and tried my best!\"\ngoes home to his haggard wife,\nevery day regrets his life.\nSerfie cries and serfie moans,\nWorks his fingers to the bones.\nWork and work, must pay the tithe.\nOnly exit is a knive.\nThen plague comes, his family die\nout next day to harvest rye\nworks all day and through the night,\nstill succumbs to hated blight.\nLays there dying, pale and scabby,\nMonk is safe inside the abbey.\n\nSerfie trapped and serfie dies.\nMonk eats tendies, sauce, and pies."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Gdp=tourism is the greatest threat to western civilization. 100% of pol users commit suicide on reading this graph."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">come to /his/\n>rant about /pol/ until his fingers bleed and he's blue in the face\n\nSeek immediate medical attention. Medical intervention is required!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are gdp annalist's and westerner so desperate to mask to the serve fall in living standers and production peak oil anon?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTheir entire bureaucracy depends on it. All the \"budget projections\" are gdp.\nThe CPI underweights meat. Meat is 50% of normal peoples food spending but they use 10% for urban liberals. This is the primary reason inflation is so low. Also filler, which was added in the 2000s. There's no corn on the cob anymore, food products have changed and this doesn't appear in inflation.\nCalories peaked in 2000. In Africa calories per adult peaked in the 60s and the \"emerging markets\" grew from labor intensity, malaria eradication and unsustainable factors. Africa is actually unaffected by peak oil but it's population will peak by 2030 from soil depletion.\nIn america obesity is increasing from health problems and not food, because even the calories supply in america is falling let alone protein and fiber. The CPI is primarily based on food and hides the loss of quality. Cars, housing and lots of things are essentially ignored in the CPI. Especially the way cars are paid which is through payments and upgrades rather than the actual car. CPI is the cars salesman version of what prices are.\nThe nominal GDP is easy to measure and obviously increases and the inflation index is where shortages are hidden. Americas gasoline supply grew 1% between 2005 and 2019 with massive biofuel additions. Peak oil was in 2005 and it wasn't obvious as there were efficiencies and ways to hide it that are no longer enough."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Their entire bureaucracy depends on it. All the \"budget projections\" are gdp.\n\nSo the bureaucracy would collapse if the admitted to the real shrinking GDP and actual inflation rate?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt would argue against spending if the entire society is collapsing. But mostly it's a accident of the cpi tracking junk food and things that are easy to measure and aren't subject to fraud.\nCars are upgraded as are homes, the cpi is lazy and just tracks stuff where price is meaningless and always costs the same like goyslop or potato chips.\nA better cpi would update the spending every month and use actual consumer data rather than surveys. If they have to use surveys it's almost not worth calculating the cpi as the survey population is going to be urban liberals who eat some weird diet that doesn't reflect the population."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">It just so happens that he didn't write anything down.\n>It just so happens that nobody who met him wrote anything down.\n>It just so happens nobody who lived at the time wrote anything down.\n>It just so happens he's first mentioned by a guy decades later who cites a vision as his source and mentions nothing about his life.\n>It just so happens the Gospels are ridiculous and full of fantastical bullshit. Just discard that.\n>He was a nobody! That's why nobody wrote anything down for half a century. It just so happens the Gospels say Jesus was a big deal with lots of followers. Just discard that.\n>It just so happens we're left with a hypothetical Jew we know nothing about because there's no independent source outside the Gospels. Just discard everything except the hypothetical Jew with no verifiable facts about him."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Fringe"}, {"id": 3, "content": "and Cringe"}, {"id": 4, "content": "jews are a classical invention of the Greeks."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can already predict how this thread will go, the only argument disingenuous christmutts will have is whataboutism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNice samefagging, dumbass."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Jesus did exist"}, {"id": 8, "content": "why did near-contemporary opponents to Christianity not utilise these assertions?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nAccurate. See? It happened in the first response to you!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThey did."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis same thread has been posted a billion times before. Christcucks and gaytheist like you should just shut the fuck up, holy shit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nyep. heres a preview of the christcucks trying to derail the thread:\n\n>cyrus didnt exist\n>socrates didnt exist\n>plato didnt exist\n>alexander didnt exist\n>julius caesar didnt exist\n>genghis khan didnt exist.\n>your great grandfather didnt exist"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nproof?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>We don't know anything about anyone in history so...just believe it OK?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nDon't forget the most laughable of all. Muh magic jew rag."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Name a credentialed scholar who is not a known cuckold who professes Jesus mythicism"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Jesus did exist"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>carrier isn't a serious scholar!\n>mops the floor with every \"serious scholar\" in debate."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nwhy do you keep insisting Carrier was a cuckold? He was the one that cheated on his wife, not the other way around."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nJust looking for another\nYou understand that if all the academy opposes a single man we call his stance \"fringe\"\n\nHe is also a literal cuckold"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Carrier announced in 2015 that he and his wife had ended their 20-year marriage. He also revealed that he is polyamorous, and that the last two years of his marriage had an open relationship agreement, after informing his wife of his extramarital affairs."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nHow so?\n\nWhat are his strongest arguments?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nMe, i'm a credentialed scholar at Basedness Institute, professor Chad"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>nobody could possibly write a story about someone who wasn't real!\nThere's your mainstream scholarship bro. The vast majority have never looked into it. It used to be assumed that Moses was real until people said \"uh...why?\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>after informing his wife of his extramarital affairs.\nyou read that, right? He was the one cheating on his wife, making her the cuckold."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can meet him yourself. It's not that difficult. The fact that most on /pol/ carry on and on with these points just shows how in the dark you are. It's like a little kid who hasn't been potty trained."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nSo what you're saying is your serious magic jew scholars can't beat a cuckold in debate. k bro."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nAlso embarrassing, but whether he was victim or offender first, he entered an open relationship and practices polyamory\nThat means having other men sleep with his then wife\n\nhttps://theyetisroar.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/dr-richard-carrier-phd-a-creepy-dishonest-hypocrite/\n\n>>24\nWho are you quoting"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>after informing his wife of his extramarital affairs.\nDirk... stupid spic... \"HIS affairs\" meand that he was the one cheating on his wife"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nwatch one of his debates. He makes the christcuck look like an absolute midwit.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WiZvE_1pUk [Embed]"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine being this uninformed and by jewish propaganda.\n\n>And the presbyter said this. Mark having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord's sayings. Wherefore Mark made no mistake in thus writing some things as he remembered them. For of one thing he took especial care, not to omit anything he had heard, and not to put anything fictitious into the statements. [This is what is related by Papias regarding Mark; but with regard to Matthew he has made the following statements]: Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could. [The same person uses proofs from the First Epistle of John, and from the Epistle of Peter in like manner. And he also gives another story of a woman who was accused of many sins before the Lord, which is to be fount in the Gospel according to the Hebrews.] Papias (A.D. 60-130) fragment VI"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>31\n>With regard to the inspiration of the book (Revelation), we deem it superfluous to add another word; for the blessed Gregory Theologus and Cyril, and even men of still older date, Papias, Irenaeus, Methodius, and Hippolytus, bore entirely satisfactory testimony to it. Papias (A.D. 60-130) fragment VIII\n\n>As, then, philosophy has been brought into evil repute by pride and self-conceit, so also ghosts by false ghosts called by the same name; of which the apostle writing says, \"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and vain babblings and oppositions of science (gnosis) falsely so called; which some professing, have erred concerning the faith.\" Convicted by this utterance, the heretics reject the Epistles to Timothy. Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 195) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.2 pg.359"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>31\n>>32\n>The Epistle of Jude, indeed, and two belonging to the above-named John - or bearing the name of John - are reckoned among the Universal epistles. And the book of Wisdom, written by the friends of Solomon in his honor. We receive also the Apocalypse of John and that of Peter, though some amongst us will not have this latter read in the Church. The Pastor, moreover, did Hermas write very recently in our times in the city of Rome, while his brother bishop Pius sat in the chair of the Church of Rome. And therefore it also ought to be read; but it cannot be made public in the Church to the people, nor placed among the prophets, as their number is complete, nor among the apostles to the end of time. Of the writings of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Miltiades, we receive nothing at all. Those are rejected too who wrote the new Book of Psalms for Marcion, together with Basilides and the founder of the Asian Cataphrygians. Cyprian (A.D. 250) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.5 pg. 603-604"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\ntl;dw?\n\nDon't have the time to watch a two hour long video, unfortunately."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\nAre you like 15yo? Polyamory is codeword for \"I'm gonna cheat on you and you're gonna tolerate it\"."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>other historical documents are considered evidence but the bible can't be\n>because it just can't.. ok?"}, {"id": 37, "content": "If Moses wasn't real, that falsifies Jesus\nshaky foundations, bro"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Do you think it's an historical fact that Jesus walked on water?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nNOOOOO a stuttering old man and a carpenter who decided to have a career change... It can't be! NOOOOOO"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nIf he didn't split the red sea, he isn't Moses\nIf he isn't this universe's cause, walked on water, died then un-died, he isn't Jesus"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nWas Utnapishtim a real person?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\nBecause it says some guy did magic, sounds really made up"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nSea of Reeds, technically. An inland body of water. Either way, he did something to escape Egyptians and stop the chase. You could even come up with practical reasons, like Moses appearing or timing the tides to cross through, while Egyptians came late and got slowed down or stuck."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nLook, if you want to make up some story about a guy that did similar stuff to the protagonist in OT without magic, you can do that. I don't care"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nI said \"You\". Not me. It's what some have proposed.\nEither way, it's not magic. You're just a lonely little man without God. It's God's world. Not yours. There's nothing magic to him."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nif the word 'magic' triggers you, we can say miracle instead"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nDo you believable a virgin gave birth to a magic Jew in the first century? Because if you do you have zero grounds to criticize other people's historical scholarship."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nUtnapishtim isnt referenced as a historical person in any sources, he is only referenced to as a celestial person in a legend.\nThis is like comparing Napoleon to Zeus, we are reaching new type of retardation."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n\"I\" don't want to make up such a story. I don't think such a story happened in the real world, I think it's made up"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nIt doesn't trigger me. It's just stupid. It's a different genre than what you're struggling with."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nWhat's the difference between magic and miracles? Please help me out, I think both are made up"}, {"id": 52, "content": "The OP image come and.\nAdmit to the fuhrer = that ome Michiel\n\nAlso if Maarten and marianne and you see this. You must reply To ME !!!\n\nI need Ome Michiel and Tante Rita\n\nYes\n\nI am of saying as of the fuhrer\n\nAnd I am of caught up in some thing );\n\nholp\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxHYZ8GfYY [Embed]"}, {"id": 53, "content": "YES\n\nThis specific powress comes to me also as that I can Nigeria. As to what I am in TB Joshua"}, {"id": 54, "content": "Listen\n\nThis is some real TRUE issue to the fuhrer\n\nMay we heed this.\n[can't really say in Anglish]\n\nAs to invited to to swap language, which I have\n>Humanity and history and the fuhrer @4chan"}, {"id": 55, "content": "But Like Shell, also in WW2, just like Freya government had said\n\nWould Shell remain reluctant about the fuhrer?\n\n>And its bind w/Freya"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52 (Me)\n>I need Ome Michiel and Tante Rita\nIts not being conceded. Its some thing.\n\nok\n\nOme\nMichiel Boersma\nMight be willling to"}, {"id": 57, "content": "My mother = Boersma = brother of ome Michiel of Shell"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\nThe Creator of the universe isn't bound by space and time. Nothing is impossible to the one who rigged the game to begin with. Even a theoretical creature who could simply experience more dimensions than we can could seem miraculous and run circles around us, when all he's doing is being aware of more aspects of reality."}, {"id": 59, "content": "Also to the COUNCIL OF LEIDEN\n4 YOU to understand how I have taken on anyhing. Also Nigeria"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">Also you to heed the fuhrer in all its acuteness !\n\nMine powress are upon me but you"}, {"id": 61, "content": "https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-daughters-son-in-law-secretive-life-sanctions-faassen/31793489.html"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">THE COUNCIL OF LEIDEN\n\nYessss\nThis is where I proclaim, this, to you\n\nAnd you to heed"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\nIs there something preventing a powerful wizard from doing all the stuff God can do?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">The council of Leiden\nHas sinned against the fuhrer"}, {"id": 65, "content": "Now come on frens.\nOn /pol/ I've explained to you in also religion how Americha is to quit its * that doesn't work\n\nI have s.a.i.d.\nIT\nAnd you just-to-heed-me\n\nO yay (:"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nyes"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>12\nMaybe OP didn't exist."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65 (Me)\nAs you to do [mine testament in a way. To they who can interprid] Freya\nBut the fuhrer yes and Freya no"}, {"id": 69, "content": "I am speaking of absolute truth\n4chan had been noted in national news\n>Several times"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nA powerful wizard can do anything"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis this the new atheist coping pamphlet?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It just so happens that he didn't write anything down.\n>It just so happens that nobody who met him wrote anything down.\n>It just so happens nobody who lived at the time wrote anything down.\nThat's the case for many ancient historical figures.\n>It just so happens he's first mentioned by a guy decades later who cites a vision as his source and mentions nothing about his life.\nPaul says multiple things about his life.\n>It just so happens the Gospels are ridiculous and full of fantastical bullshit. Just discard that.\nSo are plenty of ancient historical sources. No serious historian would discard them because of that.\n>He was a nobody! That's why nobody wrote anything down for half a century. It just so happens the Gospels say Jesus was a big deal with lots of followers. Just discard that.\nThe gospels were written within that half century. What are you talking about?\n>because there's no independent source outside the Gospels.\nTacitus and Josephus."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nIf Tacitus or Josephus said some guy jumped of a cliff died, then un-died , would you believe them?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nif other sources also confirms this fact and this caused a popular movement, yes, i would consider this had existed one way or another."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\n>Tacitus and Josephus.\nThey mention that Christians exist. Big deal. Any evidence they had access to a source outside the gospels?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nThe fact that people who jumps off cliffs and die, don't usually come back to life, it doesn't make you suspect they could be wrong about it about it actually having happened?\nIs truth a popularity contest to you?"}, {"id": 77, "content": "If the deads of Jerusalem walked the streets, the sun turned dark, etc\nShould we expect there to be contemporary reports of this?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>37\nrather, if Jesus was real and what is contained in the Gospels is true and what is professed by the Church is true, Moses must be real."}, {"id": 79, "content": "The fuhrer, I will also have to be. At this point more specifically decided.\n\nThe cancer National Socialism had ever decided it to be.\n\nYes\n\nIt is true"}, {"id": 80, "content": "Soo\nall National Socialist wars are to be holied, by M.E.\n\nY-e-s\n1-1-2\nY-e-s\nK.i.l.l\n\n>MINE kill however MUST be Heeded!\n>Their kill had not\n>But fuhrer's killl!!!!"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>It just so happens the Gospels are ridiculous and full of fantastical bullshit. Just discard that.\n>literally just saying discard the stuff that disagrees with me\nLMAO"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\nWhether or not he actually came back to life is irrelevant if multiple sources have a story of the guy dying it is reasonable to assume there was a basis for the story. Especially in Jesus's case as not every source here lists the resurrection."}, {"id": 83, "content": "Yes frens\nI will have to speak out mine absolute fatwa against Freya and this town. For they have committed the absolute Jew sin\n\nYES\n>They be Jews or either not\n\nBut they have however committed the deadly sin of being a jew. To be executed, as of Fuhrer befehl //acute //right now"}, {"id": 84, "content": "And who I in fact am, here in Leiden. My absolute fatwa is upon them who have sinned against me"}, {"id": 85, "content": "Mine sord must, had been and will have to be recognised\n\nYes\n\nIts of bloody kill\nUnfortunately"}, {"id": 86, "content": "Unfortunately\n\n>Blood on pavement"}, {"id": 87, "content": "I have of not let off to tell peoples that your a whore\n\nSo les go fren\n\nYour litteral blood on the pavement for residing in holy presence\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YbhB_A_8fM [Embed]"}, {"id": 88, "content": "I tell you of truths. And of truths I will tell you"}, {"id": 89, "content": "And thus, everso. As I ever have\n\n>Gebe the Reichsburgers\n>to\n>me"}, {"id": 90, "content": "You must support the fact that they must meet my demands IMMEDIATELY.\nBut in that there is no yesterday howsoever"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>78\nRight, but we know Moses isn't real, so that makes Christianity a lie."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>82\n>Whether or not he actually came back to life is irrelevant\nSure, we can't know what happened 2000 years ago\n\nWhat IS relevant is your knowledge about the frequency of people coming back to life or not, that should factor into your assessment of a 2000 year old report being true or false"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a poor rural preacher who was immediately killed after he gained any sort of following that would be noticed by the authorities. How many 1st century Jews do you think we know by name and how many sources from the region do you think we have.\n\nDo you know how many authors that we know by name that lived in Judea in the 1st century? 1. Josephus, who mentions Jesus, btw."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>73\nI wouldn't believe someone un-died after falling off a cliff. But I may believe there was a person who did jump off a cliff.\n>>75\n>They mention that Christians exist.\nWrong, Tacitus mentions Christ himself, and Josephus mentions Christ's brother.\n>Any evidence they had access to a source outside the gospels?\nDo you have any evidence they were using the gospels as sources?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\n>He was a poor rural preacher who was immediately killed after he gained any sort of following that would be noticed by the authorities.\nThis is an assumption. You might as well assume there was a real Hercules that was some guy who lifted weights and left no trace of his existence. It tells us nothing. A hypothetical person is little different to someone who doesn't exist."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\nBut true holiness indeed is upon me\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfZ55kD3D0M [Embed]"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbut wait it gets worse\n>he was a literal jew\n>raised by a cuck jew\nOof, imagine making that man your god"}, {"id": 98, "content": "And yeay you need to do as I say\n\nIts of true\n\nYOUR blood must run pavement or either do as I say"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">in mine locallity\nThey have doubted 4 more as 2 seconds to do as I, yes as I say.\nThis is of absolute LOCAL speech made to be of to become truth\n\nI should however, though thus be recognised locally\nI have said it\nI must rule and I is of Aryan the White\n>but do not forget. If you even live in my near holy presence. Your blood on T.h.e pavement\n\nAnd do not stop heeding and remembering this\n\nYes"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you believe any historical figures who don't have contemporary written sources?"}, {"id": 101, "content": "TB Joshua\nBut search this man's track record.\nBut, though also I was in Nigeria. But he had died for prophecysing flasely in my very direct presence"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">ok Christian thread\n\nBut you were on my local news.\nAnd I have posted it. I have\n卐 I did and that curse. But I will sanctify it. So will its bloodshed, as long as I am heeded\n\nAnd they must get up and reply to me\n\nFor bloodshed would not be, and you have (...) you have sinned against the fuhrer"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>96 (Me)\nAlso if you would Dutch runes. I to tell you that while, as the fuhrer I to be heeded. Also I is one of this litteral world's WORST smokers\nyes\n\never, even"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n>ever, even\nyes\nAnd you can not imagine\n\n(You)"}, {"id": 105, "content": "Also of family = Marte who has (...) as that the fuhrer to his powress as so have Maryke\n.Ltteral acts of fuhrer explaining the bloodshed. Also, you must to me, like Holy Spirit, 1 (...) would AND !"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>72\n>Paul says multiple things about his life.\nCarrier addresses this. Many of Paul's letters are forgeries. The authentic ones do not mention anything outside visions.\n>Tacitus and Josephus.\ndebunked.\nhttps://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reliability-of-Josephus-and-Tacitus-in-their-description-of-the-historical-Jesus\n\n>>75\nBoth are forgeries.\n\nIts an ongoing theme for Christcucks to lie about everything.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_cycle"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>94\n>Tacitus mentions Christ himself, and Josephus mentions Christ's brother.\nassuming these arnt forgeries, none of the information they say cant be found inside the gospels."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\n>The authentic ones do not mention anything outside visions.\nSo when Paul says Christ was a flesh and blood descendant of king David, that was just a vision? When he says he met with Christ's brother, that too was a vision?\n>debunked.\nRight back at you.\nhttps://historyforatheists.com/2017/09/jesus-mythicism-1-the-tacitus-reference-to-jesus/\nAnd from someone who has academic credentials is not a rando on Quora.\n>>107\nYour point?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\n>https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reliability-of-Josephus-and-Tacitus-in-their-description-of-the-historical-Jesus\n>\"Richard Carrier is an 'expert' in ancient interpolations\"\nLOL\n>Tacitus couldn't have got his information from government records because uhh... he just couldn't have, okay?\n>\"Chrestianos\" is proof a forgery and not a simple scribal error\n\nwow, great source retard."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\n>So when Paul says Christ was a flesh and blood descendant of king David, that was just a vision? When he says he met with Christ's brother, that too was a vision?\nCarrier addresses all of these.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-Uj92Cpvg [Embed]\n\n>Right back at you.\nRead that midwit Christcuck website. His entire argument relies on Tacitus not being a forgery and says that Chrestianos has to be \"Christian\" because he never heard of Chrestianos before.\n\n>Your point?\nIf Tacitus repeats information, 100% of which is found in Gospels, then why would you think he got his information from anywhere but the Gospels.\n\n>>109\n>>Tacitus couldn't have got his information from government records because uhh... he just couldn't have, okay?\nCarrier addresses this in this debate\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WiZvE_1pUk [Embed]\n\nIt comes down to Tacitus not listing his source. Christcucks make the assumption its from official government records, despite it not adding in any information not found in the Gospels."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\n>Carrier addresses all of these.\nCan you post a time stamp?\n>Read that midwit Christcuck website.\nThe guy who runs that website is an atheist.\n>His entire argument relies on Tacitus not being a forgery\nHe explains why the arguments for it being a forgery do not hold up.\n>and says that Chrestianos has to be \"Christian\" because he never heard of Chrestianos before.\nHe says it refers to Christians because there is zero evidence of a group called the “Chrestians” ever existing.\nEither you didn’t actually read that article or you’re being dishonest on purpose.\n>If Tacitus repeats information, 100% of which is found in Gospels\nFirstly, as far as I can recall, the gospels never said Christians were responsible for the great fire of Rome. So, 100% of his information on them is not from the gospels.\nSecondly, Tacitus’ claims about Christ are very brief and general. They don’t say anything new, but maybe that’s because… wait for it… what he says is true.\nTo give an example, Cicero wrote a detailed account of an argument he had with Cato the younger over stoicism in “de Finibus”. Later, in Plutarch’s life of Cato, he recounts the same debate in a brief passage. No new information is added by Plutarch’s account, but that does not necessarily mean his source was de Finibus."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nWhy would Tacitus, a man who thought Christians were evil and superstitious, listen to their account of Jesus?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jidf has completely given up, several of these threads with no replies.\nThe side with more artillery always wins. Always.\nIn order to use tanks you need to agree on rules. There's never been a tank war, you need prepared infrastructure, no infantry, and open terrain for tanks to work.\nLand warfare is generally boring and attritional, and a waste of time.\nAirframe life is the sole factor in air combat. Naval warfare is the only kind that is meaningful, but it's the kind his discusses the least."}, {"id": 2, "content": "You lose again as you've always lost in each and every one of these threads.\n\nAnd no, the battle referenced was not a siege. The Poles were a besieging army who had to turn around to fight off a Swedish relief army. The Swedish garrison was never involved in battle. The situation of a besieging army isn't pure paradise even if the besieged usually has it worse off. Entrenched military camps can be a breeding ground for horrid illnesses and diseases."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAlthough, it's wrong to even call the Swedish \"garrison\" a \"garrison\" since they, themselves, were besieging another set of Poles.\n\nOnce again, this has nothing to do with the clashes between the Polish and Swedish relief forces."}, {"id": 4, "content": "There are more cases, as well."}, {"id": 5, "content": "And if you're going to change your mind and now pretend the Swedes are always incompetent."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n\nThose are all sieges and already tried.\nIt's pathetic that you fail every thread then when I mention it you gave the same already failed replies."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThose are bronze and you fail again.\nFind a battle bronze lost. You literally are mentally retarded and can't read. There is no saving you."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nAnd while that battle outright lacked cannons, lets here you tell me how four iron cannons turned the tide against a massively oversized enemy force.\n\nShame those iron cannons didn't do the same here: >>2"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThose are iron. Again you fail, find a battle bronze won.\nAnd siege. You fail again."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nFind a battle bronze lost? Here: >>8\n\nAnd here I thought you were obsessed with battles bronze won such as here >>2\nwhich wasn't a fucking siege. Just look at the layout of the battle. How does that anyway resemble a siege? But then again, you are the guy who claimed the Battle of the Somme was a Siege so I guess anything you want to be a Siege happens to be a siege including naval battles if you so will it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI meant bronze won obviously.\nAs for your siege that also is a siege."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThey had four cannons, retard, and iron cannons aren't necessarily superior to bronze ones to begin with in terms of raw performance. They were just cheaper.\n\n>Cast-iron cannon were significantly heavier and bulkier than bronze guns firing the same weight of ball. Unlike bronze cannon, they were prone to internal corrosion. Moreover, when they failed, they did not tear and rupture like bronze guns but burst into fragments like a bomb. They possessed, however, the overwhelming advantage of costing only about one-third as much.\n\nhttps://www.britannica.com/technology/military-technology/The-development-of-artillery"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Brice's Crossroads."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nFind a battle bronze won you utter retard who can't read."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNobody cares about wild west bullshit. In the Civil War they captured artillery and other technicalties."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nSiege."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nFunny considering you have no counterpoint to the objective fact that bronze cannons aren't superior to iron cannons in terms of raw performance.\n\nStill, since I like humiliating you, here we are again."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nTheir forces were tied up seiging riga."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThe battle took place 18km away from the abandoned siege of Riga which the Swedes covered with a march."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThat's really close."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Jidf needs to find a battle bronze won that's clearly, unambiguously not a siege.\nIt's impossible. It doesn't exist."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\nAmbiguous, both sides had iron."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Why do you keep replying to this schizo? Let him get bored and leave"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNobody can even find a battle bronze won."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nPretty sure the Vallière system already incorporated Bronze Cannons as the norm. If not, then the Gribeauval system most certainly did which was fully implemented by 1776.\n\nThat leaves loads of French victories."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\nDidn't the sweds end up massacring the poles in that war later on anyway?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nNapoleonic battles are fake, and he conquered Netherlands and had access to Dutch cannons which were iron."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\nAs I said napoleonic battles are fake and France was a major iron producer anyway, and had the Netherlands which had more iron."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nNot in that particular war. There were four Polish-Swedish Wars between 1600-1629. The real Swedish victories were in the Second Northern War and the Great Northern War."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>18\nNa heats and pressure tempers iron and steel, but it deform and degrades bronze. Overtime an iron cannon will outperform a bronze one."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nAfter like one or two shots a bronze cannon will fail."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nOh please, the Gribeauval system standardized Bronze Cannons and was credited with making French Artillerly the best in Europe according to many contemporaries.\n\nEven before conquering the Dutch Republic, the French scored great victories which contemporaries attributed to their artillery with the attached battle against the Dutch Republic and the Habsburg Monarchy being one such victory.\n\nNow, lets get your reason for why every battle across the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars were somehow fake. The attached battle pertaining to this post didn't even feature Napoleon as a commander."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nExcept Iron Cannons are prone to internal corrosion and when they fail, they burst into fragments like bombs. They also happen to be heavier, making transportation tougher and thereby slowing down and further exhausting a marching army.\n\n>>12"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nIn that battle they had a massive superiority over a clueless opponent.\nFrance built iron guns after the gibreuval system around 1790, and they had them previously from the Dutch."}, {"id": 36, "content": "The entire reason the French switched to the Gribeauval system from the Vallière system was because lighter cannons were much better when conducting wars of movement rather than sieges. Bronze cannons are better in the former scenario."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nThat's naval and coastal artillery, not the type of artillery utilized in wars of movement."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nBoth of those systems were bronze guns. The iron guns were obtained from other countries or whatever foundries.\n>>37\nCoastal guns are just retired field guns."}, {"id": 39, "content": "And here's another victory over a Habsburg-Dutch force with more artillery and cavalry than their French opponents who were adhering to the Gribeauval artillery system."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nThe Dutch were only one of the sides and France had iron so that does nothing."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>Both of those systems were bronze guns\nHence we now have a greater range of French victories to draw from as evidence.\n>Coastal guns are just retired field guns.\nI sure wonder why they were retired..."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nWell done jidf. Now find a battle bronze won.\nEngland, France and Sweden were important iron producers."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nSo, it's an example of a battle where the side with less cavalry and artillery won, then, without you being able to use the bronze excuse?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nActually france had iron and Austria didn't.\nYou could find a battle won by any of those countries against france or England."}, {"id": 45, "content": "Jidf is flailing trying to find a battle Austria Hungary won in Europe at all."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nAustria didn't have iron. Definitely not."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nThey did too"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nAlright whatever, I think you've just given up.\nThe only battles where iron is an issue is napoleon (fake battles) and Poland, and Poland wasn't a real army."}, {"id": 49, "content": "Jidf is unable to find a battle Bronze won. The thread dies at last."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nI've given up but ridiculous handwaves like \"napoleonic battles are fake\" are sincere, legitimate arguments? Lol"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nIt is a sincere argument, all the napoleonic battles were fake and the period 1600-1800 had a lot of fake battles because artillery didn't work yet."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>44\nExcept we already know from Vallière system that the French standardized their artillery with Bronze Cannons.\n\n>Canon de 24 de Vallière\n>The cannon used core drilling of the bore of cannons founded in one piece of bronze, a method developed at that time by Jean Maritz, which allowed for much higher precision of the bore shape and surface, and therefore higher shooting efficiency.\n\n>Canon de 4 de Vallière\n>The cannon used core drilling of the bore of cannons founded in one piece of bronze, a method developed at that time by Jean Maritz, which allowed for much higher precision of the bore shape and surface, and therefore higher shooting efficiency.\n\nBronze was preferred due to being lighter and more durable than iron.\n\n>Benjamin Robins put artillery on a scientific basis in 1742. Bronze – an alloy of 10 parts copper to one part tin – was preferred for cannons because it was lighter than iron and more durable. At that time, cannons were cast hollow around a core and the core often moved within the mold, producing an imperfect bore\n\nGribeauval's reforms, on the other hand, went even further so as to make the cannons even lighter rather than falling back on heavier iron cannons.\n\nThe French Artillery from 1765-1829 was standardized based on the former system before being replaced by the latter fully in 1776 before it too was replaced by the Valée system\nin 1829 which also utilized bronze cannons."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nProof?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nAs I gave specific examples of guns that exist today, it wasn't standardized. Also, those systems happened before napoleon, by his time those guys were dead."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>48\nAh, Poland wasn't a real army. The entire French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars were fake. The Battle of Rocroi was fake, as well, and the Battle of the Somme was a siege because any battle featuring a fortified position automatically constitutes a siege.\n\nWhat other retarded takes do you have? I might be in the mood to make a collage."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nEngland subsidized the Austrian forces and they weren't a real army.\nPoland was run by the decaying remains of the HRE and wasn't any kind of real country."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nThose are all correct takes and those are pretty comprehensive. No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad.\nAlso\nhttps://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/tools/Misc/gulf.txt"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nTheir systems didn't disappear the moment they died. Next, you'll claim that the military reforms of Gustavus Adolphus and Maurice of Nassau also disappeared the moment they died."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nThose were more fundamental reforms like the army existing at all. The gibreuval system was not opposed to any kind of obstacle to the iron guns that objectively and provably were built after he died."}, {"id": 60, "content": "Looks like we have another instance with the Habsburgs' lack of iron somehow causing their coalition to not fail against a primarily French army with far more cannons."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nThat's not proof that's just a statement you made up"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nEngland bailed them out."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nYou realize each of the French artillery reforms up to the Valée system all had a common aim of making artillery lighter, right?\n\nThat happens to be a feat best accomplished by the widespread usage of bronze cannons."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nBut they adopted iron artillery anyway. France had no bronze guns by 1850 and were incrementally replacing them earlier."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nBut how could they match the greater number of French cannons? I thought the side with more artillery always won."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nFrance had inconsistent guns and the outcome of those battles is arbitrary."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nWhat about this bronze cannon developed during the 1850s?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nThey gave leftover guns they didn't want to other countries, this is true of all weapons, exports are inferior."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nAnd what about these designed in 1858 under the La Hitte system."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>>68\nThat's not even necessarily true when you look at the French and German arm deals to foreign countries during the 19th and early 20th centuries."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nI'm not saying there were literally no bronze guns, there are bronze weapons today, but the American Civil War was approximately when they were at parity.\n>>70\nExamples?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>Examples?\nThe export of Krupp guns.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_gun"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nGerman guns were screw type and not QF, Germany had bad weapons in ww1."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nThe article is in reference to the Krupp's impressiveness upon its development in the mid 1850s and its subsequent export to various nations throughout the 1860s.\n\nYour opinion on the effectiveness of German weaponry in WW1 is thereby irrelevant."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nOk jidf I guess the thread is over. But you can't find bronze winning."}, {"id": 76, "content": "I want to note Turks got obliterated using German guns in ww1."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>Ok jidf I guess the thread is over\nI accept your concession. Although, I'm not baffled over your insistence that I'm a kike. Considering that iron cannons were far cheaper than bronze, wouldn't a kike benefit from spreading lies about the greatness of iron cannons to their superior bronze counterparts?\n\n>But you can't find bronze winning\nHere's one."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\n>But you can't find bronze winning.\nAnd here's another."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>>77\nWell I'm glad you were able to find one instance of Austria winning anything at all, but it's a siege."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nThat was already tried and Sweden actually won it just took casualties from incompetence."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nAnd here's another retarded take to add to the list. Sweden lost so drastically that they had to abandon their position in Bavaria, were abandoned by the bulk of their Germany allies, and prompted direct French intervention in order to salvage something from the efforts of those snowniggers.\n\nAlso, how was Lutter anyway a siege?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nNordlingen was inconclusive and they came back and then conquered a bunch of territory."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nInconclusive? It was the greatest disaster they suffered during the war. They only returned as a threat as a dog wearing a French leash. Furthermore, just because you lose a battle and manage to regain your footing thereafter doesn't change the fact said battle was a defeat. Otherwise, Blenheim was inconclusive, as well, given the French eventually managed to turn things around as the War of Spanish Succession reached its climax."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nYour arguments are fine but they don't show Bronze winning."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nWhat, like here? And no, it wasn't a siege as the Swedes already abandoned the siege and were caught by Khovansky's army after while retreating after failing to take the city."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nWhat kind of hobbled together garbage is this jidf."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nOr what about here? Since you claimed four iron cannons trumped hundreds of supposedly entirely bronze cannons in the past the numbers shouldn't have made a difference here."}, {"id": 88, "content": "At least jidf puts more effort into it than GPT.\nGiven that not only have we had like five threads were bronze never wins, and jidf is mostly repeating previous arguments, there's low chance anything will come of it."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nBy that point russia had English foreign aid and those battles are ambiguous.\nSame with a lot of Russian attacks on ottomans, and the Crimean war."}, {"id": 90, "content": "Then again, I should be sickened that I've let you sidetrack me. After all, you still haven't exampled how Nördlingen doesn't constitute a battle where bronze cannons triumphed over inferior yet more plentiful iron cannons?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\n>>89\nYou realize Russia and England were technically at war (albeit something of a phony one) between 1807-1812, right?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nI won't bother to discuss norlingen as it's such an incompetent battle with no result."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nAfter Peter the great russia was linked to British foreign aid and even as late as judeobolshevism they had western aid."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nIt's one of the most well-known and impactful battles of the Thirty Years' War given it directly led to the French phase of the war and shattered Sweden's predominance as an independent actor. If not for France, that impact of Sweden's defeat would have ended Sweden's intervention once and for all."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nFrance made no difference, Austria didn't obtain any worthwhile leverage from anything after the battle. It is famous for being stupid."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nPeter the Great died in 1725. Alexander I was ruling Russia during the Russian conquest of Finland - the early 19th Century war in which the relevant battle took place."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nRussia has a larger rail profile. About half Siberia is 55kg m. Most of the world is 45. Russia has about 20% more steel thickness as everywhere else which let's it do better stuff.\nBack then it was cannons (or whatever)"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\nFrance made no difference in the Thirty Years' War? France was singlehandedly responsible for salvaging Sweden's position and convincing the Habsburgs that the war could only be ended through diplomacy rather than through military means."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nIt's more that Sweden was helping france. Austria was too weak to matter."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>95\nAlso, the Habsburg victory at Norlingen led to Sweden's German allies abandoning her and resolving to make peace with the Emperor. France's intervention is the sole factor which led to prolonging the war and weakening the resurgent Habsburg position."}, {"id": 101, "content": "Also, here's another victory by the Habsburgs against the supposedly French and their fictious iron cannons."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nSiege"}, {"id": 103, "content": "Siege because they just attacked their camp and it wasn't a real battle."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nThey had already taken the city for Christ's sake. The Siege was over."}, {"id": 105, "content": "You will never convince this guy of anything. Might as well try talking your dog out of licking his balls.\n\nSome people will just never accept that the side with more artillery always wins. Keep spreading the good word OP"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nIt's suspiciously close to being a siege."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nAh, suspiciously close...\n\nSeems a lot of battles you don't like discussing are pseudo-sieges, somehow mislabeled victories, or are \"fake battles.\""}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nExactly. It's literally impossible to find bronze winning."}, {"id": 109, "content": "I think the thread is dead, when i ask jidf they just post sieges now."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nAccording to your logic, the Battle of the Somme was a siege.\n\nAnyways, here's another one, and once again it isn't a siege.\n\nThe Spanish forces and their copper cannons initially pretended to besiege Maastricht as a feint before marching his troops to face the Dutch-allied forces and their supposed iron cannons concentrated in Borgerhout to catch them by surprise and force them into an open battle.\n\nHis defeat of the Dutch-allied forces convinced scores to flee to Antwerp in hopes of taking shelter behind its walls. The Spainards would only move to take Antwerp in a new operation divorced from this specific battle and the subsequent clean-up of Dutch holdings in the area."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\n\"Unknown artillery\"\nGreat work jidf, there's no way you could make a dumber reply."}, {"id": 112, "content": "I wish jidf would do naval battles, they follow similar rules except for range."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">116 replies\n>9 posters\nMy God he's more unhinged than ever"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nIt's actually 2 posters and i have 9 ip."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\nCorrect. jidf has completely lost it and is just posting sieges."}, {"id": 116, "content": "Bro I found artillery losing!\nSiege_of_constantinople.jpg"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>110\nAnd here's another battle where the Spanish and their bronze cannons defeated the Dutch and their iron cannons.\n\n>The Netherlandish army tried to regroup, but a cannon and its ammunition blew up, causing many deaths and renewed panic. Meanwhile, part of the rebel troops, mostly Dutch and Scots led by Colonel Henry Balfour, tried to take defensive positions, but could not withstand the musketeers and pikemen led by John, Mondragón, and Gonzaga.[11] The Spanish victory was complete,[21] De Goignies and a large number of his officers were captured,[3] along with thirty-four flags and banners[11] and all the artillery and baggage of the Netherlandish army. Thousands of rebel soldiers were killed or captured.[3][16] The Spanish casualties, however, were minimal, with a claim of only 12 dead and a few wounded.[13] Around 3,000 rebels reached Gembloux and closed the gates, but after negotiations they surrendered to the Spanish on 5 February, sparing the city from a sack.[6]\n\nThe only siege occurred after the battle was one and involved the Spanish besieging a portion of the routed army which had fled inside the walls of Gembloux."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nWhy do you insist on repeatedly posting sieges? Are you mentally ill?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nSounds like incompetence and friendly fire."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>111\nI've posted a battle which reported the involvement no artillery whatsoever in the past wherein a numerically inferior Swedish Army defeated a numerically superior Polish-Saxon Army and its numerically superior cavalry force.\n\nYour response was pretend there just had to be iron artillery which the Swedes must have used to win because how else could your fragile mind comprehend a force prevailing over an opponent with a superior quantity of cavalry?\n\nThe image referencing said battle is attached here: >>5"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nYou already tried that and they can just surrender assuming there's artillery anyway."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>118\nDo you consider the Battle of Borodino a siege?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>121\nAre you seriously claiming the Polish-Saxon Army, in defense of the Polish capital of Warsaw, surrendered to a numerically inferior army because they were sacred of invisible cannons?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nYeah, that sounds perfectly reasonable. There's not even casualties listed."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\nBorodino has unclear numbers and is a useless example regardless."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\nExcept for the 1000 killed, wounded, and captured on the Polish-Saxon side and couple hundred killed and wounded on the Swedish side.\n\nStill, even if casualty figures weren't reliable, that doesn't make your fanfiction about soldiers developing a phobia of invisible iron cannons any more reliable. Your assessment doesn't match any historian's.\n\nIf it's nevertheless true, which is about as likely as the Sun revolving around the Earth with both also happening to be flat, why didn't the Russians just give up in this subsequent battle instead of losing their copper four artillery pieces to the Swedes who turned them against them? I have to wonder why the Swedes would even waste their time taking possession of such arms when they had invisible iron cannons with planet-destroying ammunition according to you."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nSiege"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nOh, and if you're going to yell \"siege!\" - keep in mind that the surviving Russians only retreated into the city's interior, abandoning those selfsame cannons which would then be used against them, when he realized the Swedes had succeeded in capturing a vital bridge that was to serve as an escape route.\n\nAccording to your logic, they never should have bothered guarding the bridge at all but made a run for it."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nJidf... so many copes, so little replies left before the bump limit."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nAll the cope is on you. If group of soldiers ducked behind cover, you'd call it a siege."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nThese are really obviously sieges though."}, {"id": 132, "content": "I'm going to sleep eventually, if I stop replying I'll be back tomorrow."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\nThe Great Siege of Malta was a siege.\nThe Siege of Přemysl in WWI was a siege.\nThe Sieges of Constantinople in 626, 717, and 1453 were all sieges.\nThe Siege of Leningrad in WWII was a siege.\nThe Sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683 were both sieges.\nThe Siege of Sevastopol during the Crimean War and WWII were both sieges.\n\nWith that all being said, how the fuck is the Battle of Lutter a siege?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>132\nFair enough. I might end up doing so before you, to be honest."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nYou should have a better argument, instead of arguing technicalities, given you have thousands of jewish npcs googling every part of your argument."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nI just want you to justify how the Battle of Lutter constitutes a siege. While I'd prefer not to get hung up on technicalities, that's your primary argument for dismissing battles that go against your world view - that and accusing them of being \"fake battles\" like Rocroi and Austerlitz."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nJidf I am disappoint. Are you saying you ran out of battles."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nHow many more do you want?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nAs many as you have obviously"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nAgain, this wasn't a siege. The routed remains of the rebel army retreated into the city and were handed over to the Spanish authorities without massing any sort of defense.\n\nIf you object to this, I bet you'd claim Saddam Hussein being dragged out of his hiding hole was the equivalent of siege."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>136\nIf it shows the side with less artillery winning, then it's either a siege or a fake battle per A1 or is iron vs. bronze per A2. I don't know why you retards can't grasp such a simple concept."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\nSpain had arty and those were bullshit civilians"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\n>The first force to be put in arms was that of Hoogstraten, though he had to be replaced by Jean de Montigny, Lord of Villers, who crossed the frontier of the Jülich-Cleves County on April 20 accompanied by William II de La Marck, Lord of Lumey,[8] and in charge of about 3,000 men, both cavalry and infantry,[1] amongst them French Huguenots and German cavalry recently dismissed from Spanish service.[9]"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\n>homeless people vs elite Spanish troops"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nDismissed mercenaries aren't the same thing as a homeless bum you see on the street. While I could discuss the intricacies of equipment possession, it's more relevant to point out these individuals were in employ by Dutch nobleman as they embarked on this campaign who most certainly would have armed them if they hadn't already possessed proper materials which they may very well have.\n\nAlso, here's another battle where the side with the most artillery lost."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nSiege"}, {"id": 147, "content": "In 5 hours jidf found 70 sieges. There are 4000 battles on Wikipedia with maybe 400 sieges.\nSo within about 5 of these threads (which already happened), jidf will start massively repeating.\nThen after about 50 threads there will be no battles on Wikipedia jidf hasn't cited, it will be pure repetition.\nThen after 500 threads jidf will die of peak oil due to the electrons expended."}, {"id": 148, "content": "Do Machine Guns count as artillery? They may as well if archers do.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tanga"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\nSiege"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nWas Operation Torch also a siege?"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nKasseirne pass was irrelevant, rest was arty"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\n>arty\n????"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nWell done jidf. Now find a battle bronze won or artillery lost."}, {"id": 154, "content": "Another battle showing superiority of numbers in a cavalry battle doesn't decide the result."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nFake battle w/suspiciously round casualties."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\nAlso siege"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nYou're like a parrot.\n\nBawwwk Bawwwk! Fake Battle! Bawwwk! Bawwwk! JIDF! Bawwk Bawwk! Siege! Baawk Iron Baawk Bronze!\n\nI still get get over you thinking four iron cannons trumps over a hundred bronze cannons especially when bronze cannons are actually the better of the two types - the opposite being something you have also yet to prove or even argue."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nPolish army was fake and had useless equipment, there is nothing new here."}, {"id": 159, "content": "And another Austrian victory despite being vastly outnumbered due to the skill of their Hungary cavalry in contrast to the quantity of the French cavalry."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>158\nYes, yes, the Polish army doesn't exist. It must have been Godzilla who occupied Moscow for a time and repulsed the Ottomans from Vienna alongside his German allies."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>159\nSiege"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nSt. Polten is not Vienna. It was not being besieged."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\nIt was. It's a camp. But you are too dumb to read so you'll just keep posting sieges and it will never end. Attacking camp is a siege."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\nAttacking a fortified camp is not the same as conducting a siege for God's sake."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nWell done in any case jidf. You've run low on battles."}, {"id": 166, "content": "I'm going to bed. I will make the thread tomorrow and I expect jidf to just spam 6 million more sieges."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>165\nI can post humanity's entire history of warfare.\n\nYou'll either claim:\n\n>It was something to do with a siege so it doesn't count whether it be two relief armies coming toe to toe or a fortified camp existing behind the lines. Don't you know the most famous sieges in modern history, the Battle of the Somme and Verdun?\n>Fake battle because I don't like it just like Austerlitz and Rocroi!\n>One side had inferior iron cannons unless they lost in which case they suddenly had a mix of iron and bronze cannons. Four iron cannons easily trumps over a hundred bronze cannons everyday. What do you mean provide evidence that iron cannons are better than their bronze counterpart? Iron is heavier so heavier is better!\n>Nice try, JIDF! Only a fellow Jew would try to thwart my attempt to sell shitty iron cannons at a premium!\n>What do you mean the battle didn't feature artillery? Well, I bet the other side gave up because they were sacred of invisible howitzers cloaked by the enemies' unit of warlocks.\n>Anything to do with that country doesn't count because I say it has a shitty military because you've posted too many examples featuring them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The fact that his own brother, Josephine, attempted to seduce his second wife (the same Josephine he confided in when Josephine cucked him) or the fact that Metternich literally assigned a man to seduce his second wife, successfully at that, and got her to forget all about him in the process?\n\nOr was it still Josephine cucking him at the height of his power that gives him the worse nightmares of all?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Josephine, attempted to seduce his second wife (the same Josephine he confided\n*Joseph, attempted to seduce his second wife (the same *Joseph he confided in when Josephine cucked him)"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Oh and then we have Joseph repeatedly telling Marie Louise that Napoleon was cheating on her (Although, he literally was at this point but only after his experiences with Josephine ruined his romantic nature) in order to better have a chance at getting in her pants."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Oh, and Metternich also had an affair with Napoleon's sister, Caroline Bonaparte, cucking Murat in the process."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There's a finite amount of discussion that's even possible on this board.\nThe total source material for the Roman empire is less than a billion words or a million posts. His makes one post a minute. After a year it posts more text than the source material of the entire Roman Empire.\nRome was about 1% of the total human cumulative population and about 10% of its written history. A few years of posting on this board are more than the entire source material of all history books.\nHis has largely exhausted its material and is in decline. Capitalism will collapse and all of you will die of peak oil."}, {"id": 2, "content": "how dare you use such a kino pic for such an abhorrent thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Arab Muslims\n>Pakistan Muslims\n>Iran Muslims\n>African Muslims\n>Turkey Muslims\nOr are they all the same no matter what country they from? Which ones are more devout or more loose with their religion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nvirtually all Muslim terrorists in the West have been Sunnis. Shiites don't do that kind of thing."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Shiites don't do that kind of thing\nThey killed 300 US Marines"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNice"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nKilling foreign soldiers occupying your country isn't terrorism."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nSo? It was some shi'ite women under hezbollah who drove a truck filled with explosives into the marine headquarters. This is literally the event that made suicide bombing widely adopted"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nI said \"in the West.\"\n\nLebanon is not the West."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey literally killed US and NATO troops and usehered in modern terrorism"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nThey attacked a purely military target. Of hostile invaders. On their own soil.\nThat has little to do with actual terrorist attacks, such as the King David Hotel bombing, or all those Trucks of Peace in France and Germany."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Arab Muslims\nIt's not gay if you're not married\n>Pakistan Muslims\nIt's not gay if they're younger than you\n>Iran Muslims\nIt's not gay if \"she\" used to be a he\n>African Muslims\nAlright\n>Turkey Muslims\nIt's not gay if it happens in prison"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>They attacked a purely military target\nThey killed tons of civilians as well. Shia fanboys are hypocrites"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any chance of they surviving?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhomst"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliterally who"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally hoo?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, right wing parties being split or falling apart in the US has its roots going back to John Adams ruining the Federalist Party. This will continue with right wing US parties until the death of the US. They're all doomed to be split in a presidential election or collapse over infighting. The Whigs were doomed."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThem not having a stance on slavery literally doomed the party when it was becoming topic number 1 on everyone's mind. All they had to do was literally say \"yeah we oppose slavery\" in any stance of substance instead of \"let the states decide\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How could anyone look at the disasterous consequence of the last 200 years of politics and still preach the doctrine of equality?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe problem is lumpen. Jews, cops etc are zombies which the left fraudulently interprets as equality."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSimple. The French Revolutionaries were right but they didn't go far enough. Until half of Europe is guillotined there can never be peace upon this Earth. The last 200 years of politics have just been attempting to implement their policies, but nobody's had the gall to carry them out to their fullest."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>disasterous consequences\nsuch as"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat disastrous consequences of the last 200 years of politics and how does any of that discredit the doctrine of equality?\n\n>>3\nWhat does half of Europe have to do with anything?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "What kind of retard would want to live in 1800?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe doctrine of equality is a sham, a smokescreen if you will, always has been. Those with money and power simply use it to muddy the waters"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nMost sane jacobin"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know why the fuck anyone believes in equality. People aren't equal, the sexes aren't equal, races aren't equal. And the differences are rigidly genetic which you can do nothing about. I suspect nobody really believes it and they just mouth these gay platitudes to signal how morally superior they are."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe doctrine of equality is the natural conclusion made by people witnessing that rise of the nation-state and the extension of the state into their lives as no one had seen before them. Standardization of internal trade, public schooling, and ironically enough widespread adoption of the modern police force were all \"progressive\" measures that replaced the old systems of patronage that predominated in the societies that came before."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>literally the best living situation in history\n>>disasterous consequence of the last 200 years of politics"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThis\n>>7\nAnd this."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the rule you followed brought you here, of what use was the rule?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The rule drives me, the rule gives me purpose, if I did not trust the rule I would be a soft whelp like you, thus I follow it, wherever it takes me, because it takes me somewhere, unlike you, who goes nowhere.\n\nNow bend over."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if I’m ina good place?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the difference between a legit believe and a larp ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLegitimate religions are created for social control and practical reasons other than pure attention."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy di you do what you do? If your enemies supported your beliefs or believed the same thing would you stop believing it? If a new Christian went to a Southern Baptist or Orthodox church and began to see some gays and trans would they gice up on the church, would they be spiteful and angry? Likewise if a group of Neo-Pagan norse began having black people or their political opposites show ip to rituals would they try to drive them away?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe question that \"Does he/she exist?\" followed with \"How does one communicate with it?\"\nIt distinguishes between a larper and a believer, a believer exists and beliefs that the thing he believes in is alive meanwhile a larper either doesnt believe it or doesnt believe it is truly alive."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">i like it\nlegitimate\n>i dislike it\nlarp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>religions are created for social control\nfunny how this Marxist historical analysis of religion stays disproven as more and more archaeological evidence is found, humans worshipped nature and revered their ancestors without governments even existed, it was a social phenomena not time travelling bourgeoisie putting opium in neolithic peoples' food."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>legit religion\nYou were born into it, educated in it, it defines your worldview in a daily way\n>larp\nAnything else"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThat's not organized religion."}, {"id": 9, "content": "You could ask a pagan why he does a ritual, how it's supposed to cause anything, etc\nHe would look at you confused and say \"this is just what we do\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou could same thing about Christianity only he’d tell you it’s because “god works in mysterious ways”"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nOrganized religion evolved out of ancient religion\nAlso yes it was, catalhoyuk was a temple built BEFORE governments existed."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nWould that make adult converts to Christianity larpers?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAbsolutely"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA couple of hundred years and a couple of hundred thousand acolytes, same as the difference between a cult and a religion. They don’t think it be but it do"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's the difference between a legit believe and a larp ?\n\nHow much the belief meaningfully influences decisions that are important to the person who holds them. How much the person is willing to stake, or make their lives uncomfortable, for the sake of consistently follow their belief.\nIt's kind of, \"ask your friends to help you move/drive you to the airport at 4am\" deal. A true belief will persist through pain, suffering, and both physical and economy hardship, and if anything it'll get stronger. A larp can't persist through even any amount of inconvenience or difficulty.\n\nGranted, none of this objectifies a belief. Just because you believe in something genuinely, truly, enough to even completely fuck your life up and ruin all your relationships, etc.. Something can be 100% completely totally fucking fake, but a person can 110% believe in that fake thing regardless of anything. I think that's where people get confused looking outwardly."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Reconstructionists are fine. They don't do faggy syncretic bullshit where they personalize religion like it's a deck of trading cards.\nThere are also families and communities that have a history of longstanding adherence to old practices, I remember a video about a Hellenic community that have been unmolested for ages."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nthese two questions are to ask when you think a guy is larper, you cant change my opinion. A genuine believer really believes a thing he believes is alive while a larper does not."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>legitimate\nYou were either born into it or you have shown a serious act of committment or devotion to it (debating online and growing a beard doesn’t count)\n>larp\nEverything else"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\npassing a lie detector test"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Christianity is a legit belief. Everything else is a LARP."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n\nthats why most of these christians are scared shitless of dying"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nyes, nature. not man in clouds and his jewish son that died nor their chosen people. there is a difference when it comes to the reason behind various religions."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nFair enough. Let's say that there was a Neo-pagan couple that had children and that they raised their children in a Neo-pagan worldview. Would their children count as larpers?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nOf course not"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nCan they truly do that? Theoretically, their children would not be larpers, but how does one couple create a setting where their children are ignorant of all the ideas of the modern world? I'd argue they cannot. I think anyone who's religious in the first world is either a larper or so deep in post-modern religiosity that their faith has nothing in common with their ancestors, and are quasi-larping. God is dead and all that."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThings like Thelma come to mind, but I'm not sure if that counts as a pagan religion."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\n>early Christians were larpers"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>how does one couple create a setting where their children are ignorant of all the ideas of the modern world?\nMuslim parents seems to be able to make their children believe some guy talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago just fine, without doing that"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nThelema is a magical practice or yoga. I don't really think of that stuff as religion, just an outbranching of it. Thelema is a magical practice of Crowley's Jungian religion."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nReligion is something people do-\nI don't think the pagans even thought in anything like terms of the word 'religion'"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI mostly agree, that's my point of the \"God is dead\" statement. If you have to make a choice between having any religion at all or none, you cannot be religious in the way people were until a few hundred years ago. Their question was if their narrative was the correct one, not that there was no narrative at all."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThelma was definitely a religion."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIt's Thelema, and the worship portion was devoted to semi-ideal archetypes of Jungian psychology."}, {"id": 34, "content": "semen cookies"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIs that you, Reman?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe legit believer has genuine belief, while the LARPer doesn't. It's as simple as that."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how much of \"dont eat pork/shellfish\" in abrahamic religions was just a result of the times and not eating the animals you feed literal shit too over the meat just being considered spiritually bad?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPork used to be really unsafe until First World countries stopped feeding their pigs actual garbage and switched to a grain-based diet. Eat pork in China or Mexico or something and you're putting your life in your hands."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was most likely because Pork lacked an economic function beyond meat, and because most animals that had a secondary function like milk, eggs and transportation had the commonality of split feet and chewing cud, the value of an animal was most likely believed to be determinable by these factors, pigs having been the exception were obviously the exempt, probably having been the prime example of a \"useless animal\"; the reputation for being disgusting animals didn't help either, neither did the knowledge we have now, of pork being overly fatty and more unhealthy than beef or poultry for example"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPork was the most common meat on the planet along with fish. It still is in most of the world, but is being overtaken by poultry for economic reasons.\nIf it was unsafe people would have moved to something else."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how much of \"dont eat pork/shellfish\" in abrahamic religions was just a result of the times and not eating the animals you feed literal shit too\n\nMaybe like 75 to 80%?\n\nThere were obvious hygienic issues people were aware of (people don't need modern medicine to tell them that eating an animal that will eat shit probably isn't the cleanest thing to do), but I think what really sold it was probably the socio-economic reasons like how this Anon brings up: >>3\nPigs are inexpensive garbage to meat converters. It stands to reason that when the Temple Economy was becoming more lavish the gods and the priests demanded higher quality meats from things like sheep and cattle."}, {"id": 6, "content": "from a christian point of view, a lot of the mosaic laws have typological value, though i couldn't tell you what that might be in this case. the mosaic law as a whole serves as a kind of extreme demonstration of man's inability to obey god, thus our need for jesus' perfect sacrifice since righteousness is completely beyond our reach otherwise"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nneither of these contradict \"because God said so\" because God might have said so because of these"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany of the prohibitions were ordered in such a way to divide the ancient Hebrews from their pagan and idolatrous neighbors. What they took pleasure in eating, the Hebrews forbade. What they sacrificed as holy, the Hebrews saw as repugnant. But there is nothing in itself unclean."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>5\nThe reasoning for the ban on pork is not their hygiene according to the tanakh\n>>8\nThis theory is retarded because pork was relatively rare in surrounding areas and the pork prohibition already started in the bronze age with pagan semites"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPigs eat their own shit and American pigs are fed boiled garbage"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how much of \"dont eat pork/shellfish\" in abrahamic religions was just a result of the times and not eating the animals you feed literal shit to\nall of it. abrahamic beliefs have little to no spirituality. even the \"don't wear two kinds of fabric\" has physical meaning.\nback then, only those with a bird's eye view of the town, or the wise, were able to see: \"hmm people keep getting sick when they eat this...\"\nso how do they convince others to stop? there has always been an authority issue on earth:\n\"who are you to tell me to stop eating x and y!?\"\n\"no no, i'm not telling you to stop. GOD said to stop!\"\n\nthat, and if you look at isaiah 66:17 yhwh says he's going to throw all pig eaters in hell. this is likely a \"pagan bashing\", as there are several stories within pagan teachings where Thor eats boars, etc. etc.\npagans love them some bacon. can't blame 'em.\n\n>>2\nalso this. i used to work at a candy factory, guess where all the scrap candy goes? like the time the token bongo brought chocolate into the non-allergen area and we had to throw out close to 8 tons of gummy worms - straight to the pig farms. now imagine eating something that has sustained itself on nothing but gummy worms. if anything, it serves as an indicator to just how good a pig's immune system truly is that they're able to even survive that."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou're a dumbass who can't read ancient literature"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\noh, my bibble's a bit rusty, did i quote the wrong verse?\nor are we just butthurt that someone hit it on the head?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nPsalm 80:13 The boar out of the wood hath laid it waste: and a singular wild beast hath devoured it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThat's not the account by which it is forbidden"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a result of the climate, Israel is on the periphery of the natural habitat of boars and pigs. Further north they might have been economically productive if allowed to roam and forage in a forest, but in Israel during a time of hardship they were wasteful."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe pork taboo (and shellfish) has nothing to do with food safety and everything to do with desert nomads being sheep herders while city slickers ate pork (and shellfish).\n\nIt was simply a way to insure tribal identity and loyality, like circumcision."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Hitler\n>Bullied by his father\n>Lifelong introvert\n>In love with his niece\n>Scapegoated Jews\n>Killed himself like a coward\n\n>Mussolini\n>Bullied everyone even his parents\n>Establish a state with a doctrine\n>Faced death"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMussolini is based but let's not pretend he went out swinging. He tried to sneak out and got caught. If he was in the same position of Hitler, being surrounded on all sides, one of those sides being slaviods, he would have blow his brains out too."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhen you have an enlightened view of history, contrasting Italian and German history from the time is funny.\nMussolini's inability to understand the threats posed to his regime by Freemasonry and Jewry always lead to those groups getting the Fascist state into serious trouble and Mussolini having to react to it after the damage was already done. Meanwhile Hitler's proactive policies (e.g. raiding freemason lodges and sending them into concentration camps) prevented domestic faggotry from ever becoming the main problem for him."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich books go into Mussolini's childhood?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Rebbe the Moshiach?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe didn't fulfill any of the old testament prophecies jews like to bitch about jesus not fulfilling so no"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBut then the Rebbe is about on par with Jesus, correct?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jesus wasnt a messiah because he didnt became a king and drove out everyone from Israel\n>but... Rebbe was a messiah\ni dont even know anymore"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIn some aspects, yes, so all this Rebbe worshippers have stopped being Jews, the next decades and centuries of this movement will be interesting to study to make analytic parallelisms with the development of Christianity"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nRebbe was actually from the Davidic line though, and if Jesus can resurrect, why can't the Rebbe?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere's one Jew who thinks he was:\nhttps://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Hebrew-Hoax-Doooovid:c\nhttps://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Doooovid-Returns:e\n\nWhay's critical to understand is that many Jews believe in reincarnation. The soul of the Mashiach reincarnates in every generation.\nThe expectation of many Jews right now is that the final reincarnation before the Messianic Age is on earth right now.\n\n>>2\nIsaiah 60 says all the world's kings will bow before Zion. Lots of politicians bowed before Schneerson. US Congress even enshrined a commitment to the Noahide Laws in US law at his behest:\nhttps://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/102/hjres104/summary\nhttps://alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1908-names-sake.htm\n\nHe went from victory to victory."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nNumerous prominent Kabbalists (supposedly even Isaac Luria) have publicly stated that Jesus was the reincarnation of Esav. Schneerson called Jesus \"a good Jewish boy\" which suggests that his soul can be rectified (unlike the souls of Christians, who will be destroyed completely as punishment for engaging in idolatry).\nThere are also a number of Rabbis who publicly declared Jesus to have been Mashiach ben Joseph, a suffering Messiah distinct from Mashiach ben David. I think Schneerson's comment was a hint that this is indeed the case."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nAs far as I recall he wasn't made king of Israel not anything else the Jewish messiah is supposed to do aside from some vague political stuff that you can fit there, how is that any different from how Christians cope about Jesus according to Jews?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt isn't, which is why Shneerson is only held as the Messiah by a small, but incredibly powerful, sect within a sect."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Oriental culture lends itself to villainy and antagonism to the protagonists of human history (EVROPA): Link vs Ganondorf, Mycenae vs Troy, Greece vs Persia, Rome vs Carthage, Byzantines vs Persians, Spain vs Moors, Russia vs Tatars, Balkans vs Turks.\n\nLatinXs, Blacks and Indians lend themselves more to being the comic relief villain, kinda like Buggy, Pilaf, Speed-O'-Sound Sonic or the Team Rocket."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat was so bad about the trojans"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Turks and tartars are not suddenly Arabs even though they were asians"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni unironically think that about most steppe \"people\", it doesnt need to be genetic. it seems like the only steppe history that exists is savagery, any \"empire\" from this environment seems to be merely a protection racket that doesnt leave any lasting impact, besides the initial devastation of civilizations that actually built things"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCarthaginians were the good guys but you are too racist and biased to see it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">brown vs brown\nDamn... Sounds more like a browns problem\nLast time whitepypo (anglos, french, etc) had to deal with menas it was just a unilateral massacre like with the rest of thirdie browncels"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nYou'd be surprised about your origins, euro-anon"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Byzantines are oriental too"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a pagan goddess is protagonist of history\nyou will suffer and then disappear"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russia vs Tatars\nboth Europeans"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Various MENAs were the protagonists of history(literal MENA invention) until it settled on Semites while Europeans remained a comic relief sidekick like Fubuki or Meowth."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. yuropoor cuck"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did they go from ruling most of continental SEA and building massive temples to being spit roasted by Thailand and Vietnam for 500 years?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were a Chinese vassal."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnd this caused this change how?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThais only migrated out of China into their current homeland around 1000 years ago, and it took a while for them to coalesce into a single kingdom. But once they did, it was over for the Khmers. The Austroasiatic fears the Kra-Dai."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>3\nChinese helped them until Europeans destroyed everything, and with China getting stronger it may return."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSo Thais are the SEA equivalent of the Huns?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYes, but not exactly since Thais actually build something. If Mon, Khmer, and Chams are the Greco-Romans of mainland SEA then Thais, Viets, and Burmese are it's Germans, Vandals and Visigoths"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI’m going to need some sauce on that, little yellow fella"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nCambodian sissies:\n>playthings of the French\n>chimped out, exterminated the large majority of their talented citizens, then got bootyblasted by the Vietnamese\n>still live in Africa-tier poverty today\n\nSiamese BVLLs:\n>never colonized by Europeans\n>Chinese blood gives them great civilizational potential\n>capable of enjoying the finer things in life, such as kickboxing and feminine penises"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNo like an actual source on the claim that the thais are descended from “Chinese” ancestors less than a thousand years ago, not some silly head cannon backed up with a cartoon. They’re definitely not Han"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNot to Han Chinese. The closest ethnic group to Siamese Thais are Laotians and Zhuang minority ethnic group of Yunnan, they're the ancestors of Tai Kradais group. Hell, there are parts of south China where its basically Thailand in everything but its administration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCxKYuTMECc [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nYou forgot\n>got their shit kicked in by the Burmese so often"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuilding temples doesn’t equate to martial ability"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThai's ancestors were from what is now southern China"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nDamn, these niggas really went at it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>picrel\nvery interesting. do their culture similiar to thais like therevada or other indian influence, or instead they have their own chinese influenced one like chink mahayana or some tao-like folk culture? or maybe their culture is different than those two?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nSome groups are Theravada like the Siamese Thais, but the Zhuang actually have their own religion:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_(religion)"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Historians generally say it was brought about by a very bad case of drought which assfucked the main source of power wielded by Angkor (food production), which also led to population decline and disintegration. And then by the 1400s the Tais (who migrated into the Western regions of the Empire) seceded and formed their own kingdoms over the Chao Phraya Basin. The Viets also fully got their shit together creating the region's only centralized Empire, whose Southern Expansion came at the Khmers expense."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nCompletely wrong. Siam is actually SEA Assyria or Persia. Malaya is Rome and Java is Greece."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThais are not warlike enough to be the Assyria of SEA (if they're even warlike lol). That honor/curse belongs to Burma."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nIn almost everything, Laos is basically mini Thailand. While Zhuangs didn't absorb Mon and Indianized influence like Thais and Laotians, so their culture overall still felt Sinotic, but distinct to Han Chinese"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nI mean in a sense that Thais, Burmese, and Viets are taller, lighter skinned, tribal invader from the north who subdued and absorbed its conquered southern people civilization, well maybe except Viets because they just straight up genocided the Chams. Idk much about Malays and Java but they're basically like Thais vs Burmese of maritime SEA, correct?\n>>20\nBurmese are basically Tibetans if not cucked by Vajrayana Geluk and retain its savage based retard warrior culture"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>well maybe except Viets because they just straight up genocided the Chams\nNot really, the southern kingdom integrated with them. With obvious winners and losers on the cultural front.\nThen Minh Mang ran a full sinicization campaign where he Xinjianged the portions of Cham population which still practiced Islam and stood out compared to the other Sinitic lowlanders. And Communist Vietnam finished the last of Cham self-identification as minorities were all targeted by rice-KGB as third pillarists and their life made living hell, so they by and large passed off as Vietnamese similarly to how Manchus renounced their origin and language for most of PRC's existence."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\ncambodian sissies are underrated\nanyways I hope india and bangladesh jointly cleanse SEA & resettle it or just dump excess bodies there, indianization is necessary to counteract chinese soullessness"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>indianization is necessary to counteract chinese soullessness\nSEA people don't like the way shitskin looks, sorry"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nMeanwhile its Rohingyans from Bangladesh that are actually being ethnic cleansed"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nYou just described genocide..."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\nCould also make the comparison with the Palaeo-Europeans or Indus Valley civilization and nomadic invaders."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Guys I think I have a problem\n>Be Me\n>White Midwestern Teenager in MN circa late 2010s\n>Loves history, politics, religion, anime, film, fitness, music, and television\n>Finds a cute, swarthy Asian girl\n>Literally looks and acts just like Nagatoro\n>She shares almost all of the same interests as me too\n>truelove.mov\n>She's Cambodian and her family were KPNLF fighters in the 80s and are traditional catholics, just like me\n>They always talk about the Vietnam War and how based it was\n>I have an ancestor that fought and died doing black ops in Laos, so I think it's super cool and I find common ground with them immediately\n>In particular her grandpa always says he fondly remembers the Americans when they were in Cambodia and that it was a betrayal they left and eventually sucked off China\n>But he's fine now because he's in America and has been since the mid 80s and loves it here\n>We all smile\n>Eventually I break up w/ her because she moved to Hawaii with her family because her brother became a U.S Naval aviator\n>feelsbadman.mov\n>Eventually I start having weird, recurring dreams at night\n>It usually starts with me on a helicopter listening to music with the other guys in the platoon\n> We always end up fighting VC on the trail with the Big Red One in Cambodia/Nam\n>I always come back regardless of how the mission turns out, sometimes people in my platoon die, sometimes they all live,, sometimes I'm wounded etc.\n>On the helicopter back to Phnom Penh it's always either the Doors, Beach Boys, or Animals playing\n>I always go back to an apartment in Phnom Penh where she is there, dressed in nothing but a Sompot Chong Kben\n>\"How was your mission, anon?\"\n>I tell her about what happened\n>We eat\n>We undress\n>We fuck passionately, usually starts off with her blowing me then me eating her out before we fuck, had a couple where she pegged me but that is rare\n>Dream ends\nFor over three years I've had this dream. I'm soaked in cum every time. I don't even use sheets/blankets anymore."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Anon, this is the third time this month you've presented \"exotic sex dream\" as your show and tell."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Race is entirely dependent on hair arrangement and pigmentation. There is literally no importance on the skull whatsoever. Hair and pigmentation is 90% of the so called races depth"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRace is entirely skin color and money. That's why japanese people are white these days"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProve it then. Show me a white person looking black because of some changes in the hair, eyebrows and skin"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBruh"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can determine race with 70% accuracy by the types of bacteria that colonize the mouth. And no, it's not caused by foods, they controlled for that. Race denial is just continuum fallacies and the demand for a precision that no other category is required to have."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbruh"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nSnowroach sisters..."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nYou're posting /pol/ memes as evidence"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nfr why are unibrows so common in swarthoids?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDarker hair = more noticeable hair in the eyebrows and eyelashes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>swarthoids?\nYou mean the creators of culture? The inheritors of the Roman Empire and Western civilisation? No idea you tell me"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHe said swarthoids. Not anglos."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nEast Asians have the most contrast between hair and skin and aren't a bunch of unibrowed ungas"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nTotally the same species."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nAsian hair is different to hair in other humans. It is very straight and sparse. They also have some stuff in the follicles"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nThe trash takes itself out"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nadd Jordan Peterson"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do so many first world Anthropologists push this idea that Hunter Gatherer societies were utopian egalitarians who practiced free love and lived in a heavenly lifestyle of no hierarchy and true freedom?\nIn Brazil, our pre-colonial societies had plenty of Hunter Gatherers who still had very rigid and tyrannical hierarchies, with strict gender roles and even \"ownership\" over pieces of land. Basically a man's status was determined by the hunting trails and grounds he could exert control over, and he'd often have slaves (captured enemies) and wives who prepared his food and home while he was hunting and fighting and making new hunting trails in the forest. Yet, when I talk to North American or Euro educated anthropology students (undergrads mostly) they tell me shit about how \"in the past hunter gatherer societies didn't even have gender roles!\"\nWhat the fuck created this idea? We still have hunter gatherers in the Amazon today, and they're violent and brutal fuckers who practice slavery and regularly kill each other over dominion over territory!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's because they were agricultural. It's logically impossible to enslave people to gather food."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAcademia is still very polluted by old farts that subscribe to these old theories, the truth is that it's easier to teach about hunter gatherers that way instead of the long rent about how they were not really egalitarian, not really just hunters or gatherers and that essentially every single such group on the planet was different on itself."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do so many first world Anthropologists push this idea that Hunter Gatherer societies were utopian egalitarians who practiced free love and lived in a heavenly lifestyle of no hierarchy and true freedom?\nMarxists stack the deck with fellow marxists at the universities."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>That's because they were agricultural.\nExcept they literally weren't, there were no farms, the food was gathered from hunts and collecting shit in the forest.\n> It's logically impossible to enslave people to gather food.\nThey are forced to perform labor for the warrior that owns them, they are slaves for all intents and purposes. Pretty much every single known native nation in Brazil has had some sort of system where captured prisoners live with a particular, subservient, status."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBrazil was agricultural way before any writing about anything."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs somebody who studied anthropology I know the exact thing you're talking about, but really the current best practice is really to avoid essentialising \"\"\"primitive\"\"\" peoples as having some kind of universal set of characteristics. There are some hunter-gatherer peoples who are peaceful and easy going as fuck and there are others who are basically bands of ultra-violent psychopaths. There's no single model that they all adhere to worldwide."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage#Jean-Jacques_Rousseau"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIt's more that it wasn't even possible to create a system of oppression without chuds. Just like slavery was fake because there were no drivers licenses. Before modern bureaucracy there was no way to enforce anything. Regardless of single anecdotes of something resembling it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>>7\nOooh looky here, decent, educated /his/ posters\nHow will the chuds cope?\n>>9\n>Just like slavery was fake because there were no drivers licenses. Before modern bureaucracy there was no way to enforce anything.\nkek what"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Hunter gatherers =! Early settled societies. If they have \"control\" over land, they're not hunter-gatherers.\nEarly settled societies were the bottom of absolute shit tier and basically required slave driving to keep people from just wandering off to become hunter-gatherers again.\nThe idea that hunter gatherer societies had no gender roles is retarded though, here's a hint: one gender were the gatherers and the other was the hunters. In fact they were arguably more gender-segregated than settled societies ever were."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nActually most times women were the hunters and men did faggotry all day.\nThey weren't the modern kind of women."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause what i heard the means to work are shared, someone who owns a boat shares it with the one who owns the fishing rod, there is no exchange of money but a barter, I give you fruit for planks."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nCapitalism is zero sum and only retards believe it existed."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's true though. Hunter Gatherers were more egalitarian and had a higher quality of living. Nobody ever chose or wanted to become agrarian, most people were forced into agriculture because \"civilized\" people stole their lands and resources, this process has been going on since the bronze age and is continuing even now in the Amazon."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nStudents, especially in public schools aren't know for being realist."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nI see the board schizo is off his meds today\n\nGod I hope you get dragged away to an asylum one day and Jamal the abusive orderly pops you in your face when you try to explain to him how GDP = Tourism."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>Capitalism is zero sum\nlol"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\n>hierarchy is a result of enslavement\nExplain why children form hierarchy then. They order themselves on strength and beauty, and wealth, if they have it, plays very little role in their hierarchy.\nChildren reveal the natural uncorrupted aspect of humanity. They are not less greedy, but they do care less about wealth, and they do form rigid hierarchy.\nThis refutes liberalism because it means wealth redistribution solves nothing, and the innate difference between individuals (and thus races, collections of individuals) are due to the qualities innate to that individual.\n\nHunter Gatherer bands rarely have slavery because it’s difficult to keep someone enslaved when you are basically just an extended family. However large tribes tended to keep slaves.\n>>12\nMales were hunters. We know because they have way more physical damage and their mortality rate was higher as a result.\n>>13\n>>14\n>why can’t we have a high trust society?\n13% of the population is road blocking high trust"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nBasically everything in your thread seems wrong. I don't think children form any actual hierarchies that mean anything, when hierarchy exists its just due to a lot of social conditioning that takes a long time to form, and even that eventually collapses. Hierarchy is a scam. It's a pyramid scheme that takes thousands of years to happen and then utterly collapses in a short time like now, due to peak oil. Without peak oil something else would limit it because capitalism is zero sum and can only exist if everyone on earth is a retard and can't do math, and the growth in the system will eventually interact in the physical world in a way that causes hierarchy to collapse, like all complex systems collapse due to thermodynamics."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReasons"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nnigger kids emulate their parents and society as a whole\ni think you might want to look at feral childs instead"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou answered your own question. Undergrads. People who have some basic knowledge of something, but have no true insight, so they reach conclusions that aren't real."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>children dont form hierarchies\nwrong\n>their hierarchies dont mean anything\nwrong again.\nJust because these hierarchies fade when they are thrust into a broader much larger world does not mean those hierarchies were not meaningful within the context they were created in.\nIf they meant nothing, they would not determine who children did and did not sit with, who they like and did not like.\nChildren from hierarchy naturally, this is a fact. They do not do so around \"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"serious\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\" \"adult\" things like money or power but around what they have, which is personality, looks, talent.\n>when hierarchy exists its due to social conditioning\nWhat do you mean?\n>even that eventually collapses\nall humans eventually die, guess being alive isnt meaningful.\n>its a pyramid scheme\n\"hierarchy\" does not mean \"The American ZOGstate\".\nHierarchy just means an ordering of social value, it exists within families, within friend groups, within the nation. It is not synonymous with Government.\nHumans wont stop exhibiting the Halo effect just because they can no longer drive a car.\n>>22\nferal children are unnatural, children can not survive on their own."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\n...?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConfirmation bias and woke shit like pic related\n>>2\nPastoralist and hunter gatherers all had forms of slavery and none were le classless egalitarian paradise"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHunter gatherer societies in the past were almost certainly patriarchal whereas the agricultural societies which followed were probably mixed, perhaps leaning towards matriarchal"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>It's logically impossible to enslave people to gather food\nTacitus disagrees ;)"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can thank Rosseau for popularizing the concept mostly."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish I was hunter gatherer"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShut up. Many were many weren't. Very dependant on density and resource availability. Egalitarian doesn't only mean \"everyone is the sane\" but rather \"all roles are given equal or near equal value\"."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>Many were many weren't.\nmeaningless word salad that does not even contradict OP in any way. See >>26"}, {"id": 33, "content": "Hobbes was right."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe agrarian revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nModern anthropologists love to undermine that one too, claiming hunter gatherers were basically almost farmers rooting out plants that were not useful for ones that were and driving out herbivorous mefagauna that got in the way of their not-farming"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThey won't be happy until they've made some kind of argument that Homo sapiens were specially destructive to every biome they entered and should never existed."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nWas there ever any doubt? Ever since Hobbes political realism has been the dominant school of thought, only prettied up with later abberations like Locke and R*sseau. Similar to Han Feizi and Shang Yang in China when after the fall of the Qin, Fajia(Legalism) became a dirty word in Chinese politics but every dynasty since, including the Han, who by definition were usurpers, engaged in Fajia and dressed it up with Daoist and Confucian ethics.\n>>29\nHet another think you can spit on his grave for."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThere was a doubt temporarily but it was settled in the late 19th century. Only retards continue to dispute Hobbesian political philosophy."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nThe US still frequently struggles under the yoke of id*alism"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>2\nThey were probably very patriarchal and strict however, with sex cults, common cultural cult sites, wife trading, etc.\nThey weren't settled and authoritarian, yes, that would've been impossible. But they were certainly patriarchal and hierarchic and as far from the modern anthro idea as possible. Hell, I want to remind you all, mainstream anthros denied the anglo saxon migration from the 90s into the 2010s before they were pwned by modern genetics. they don't want to talk about that.\n\nit's mostly that a lot of women study archaeology and that our egalitarian societies have difficulty saying something we don't want to judge or criticize is unlike us because everything which is not like us has to be criticized, was wrong and backwards. there's a reason so many chuds study ww2. imagine a progressive studying hitler and finding literally nothing he can identify with, making his studies unrelated to himself, what a shock. I want to criticize the chuds in the same vein.\nScience should be as impartial and be practiced maybe out of interest but foremost for the subject, which without some interest and identification might be impossible, doesn't however legitimize the actual identification and parallelism between ourselves and historical entities unrelated to our actual genealogy to them, which goes beyond some interest to only being interest in yourself and the aggrandizement of everything that makes you right, your opinions being vested and founded in the most ancient history. This is the same reason America wants to equate itself to Rome so often wrongly.\nAs abstract ideas which necessarily 1-1 equate, and equate without history, actually, us to them, destroying the field in the process. When you can't put history behind a chasm of time while seeing the clear relation and the transformation of ideas, how we are indeed built on empires which practiced, for example, colonialism, then you are lost and have no place in the field."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>15\n>Nobody ever chose\nSomeone did or farming wouldn't exist\n>most people were forced into agriculture since the bronze age\nFarmers kicked out non-farmers out of fertile lands basically everywhere long before local metal use\n>now in the Amazon\nAmazon basin had ancient farmers until they disappeared after 1500"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause leftoids want to find a historical basis for their ideology."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>19\n>13% of the population is road blocking high trust\n12.9%, the 0.1% are the last negros who are \"akkin' huwaite\" i.e. productive"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>butthurt pedro who wants to genocide the natives and chop down the amazon thread"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nPeople had been using crops for millennia before agriculture became a thing. people were still often close to semi nomadism even after what we call the invention of agriculture until urbanism became a thing.\nall of this is way more complex than our terms of egalitarian and hierarchical let on. the term hunter gatherer alone has its issues for this debate.\n\ngo to school. read up."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause western society has backseated societal progress to idealizing fabricated illusions of indigenous cultures"}, {"id": 47, "content": "Even if some hunter gatherers can be shown to be socially stratified, it still doesn't demonstrate that non-hunter gatherer societies are capable of achieving it to the degree some hunter gatherer cultures have."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nNothing good ever came out of marxist or otherwise social engineering attempts at progress so it hopefully stays that way"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does history make France look as the bad guys when they were just trying to stop the Habsburgs from encroaching all of Europe"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>stops the unification of Europe under a universal monarchy that can face the invading ottomans\n>Allies with said ottomans\n>Constantly promote the division and conflict in Europe between Catholics and Protestants over convenience\nGee I don't know"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI can smell your inbred chin from here.\nt. Louis"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ndont forget the french revolution"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh but being ruled over by a Sardinian is fine."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's exactly what makes them the antagonists"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Maybe the habsburgs should had dominated all of Europe."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Would a Haps controlled Europe have made incest legal eventually?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInvading other nations and genociding whole areas did make them the bad guys since the time of Louis XIV. They started to play victim after Prussia defeated them 1871."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNot for you."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nWhy should Europe be united?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean my history classes almost always framed the Hapsburg domains as a poorly-ran clusterfuck that treated its colonies like shit and their mainland like crap. France was always the level-headed nationstate opposed to Hapsburg fuckery.\n\nThat's basically just primary and high school education for me, although I'm not really sure what else you're defining 'history' as anyways. History isn't a story, it's just shit that happened, and it's ultimately up to the individual to conclude which states, empires, and peoples were 'good' and 'evil' and at what times."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nShould probably add that this is t. Anglo so whatever biases I have are based around that"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were the Early Middle Ages really like picrel and similar chivalric romances?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChivalric romances tend to gloss over the mass rapes and village burnings"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOr maybe they just didn’t happen?\n>it had to happen bro\nYet it wasn’t recorded. Duels are more common than mass scourging of the land"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIronically your picture is really dishonorable and uses archery against knights, it also has him acting like a moron."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbsolutely not."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tooot"}, {"id": 7, "content": "It's even crazier. The crusades were wacky as hell"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Early Middle Ages"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nCrusades are High Middle Ages anon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nWhy does everyone of you faggots show up to every historical topic to give some progressive twist to everything?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m sure there were people who believed in the romanticism of the period. High-spirited individuals are spoken of throughout history. To take a more recent parallel that is more relevant, look at American patriotism in the 1950s. Yeah, today, we know people didn’t live kino lived without worry or struggle. We know there was all sorts of bad shit, same as any other time period (how bad is up for debate). But were there people living then that imbibed the rhetoric being spoken about at the time and who embodied that idealism in their day to day lives? Absolutely. In the same way, were there people who strove to live in ways that mirrored ideals of their time (chivalry, piety, celibacy, etc.)? I can imagine the answer is yes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>Duels are more common than mass scourging of the land\nNot in the middle ages lol.\n\nMass scourging of the land was literally the go-to approach to conducting offensive warfare. You go and burn all his crops and kill all his peasanrs to make him hurt because you can't easily take his castles. Better yet he might even come out to fight in the field, but that was rare."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nWarfare was not conducted by Feudal lords in the Early Middle Ages, in fact Feudalism didn't even exist at that point. War was done by the King, who held a true monopoly over state power, he had no vassals, no internal competitors in the state to even match a fraction of his resources and was responsible for all appointments of substantial political power like Bishoprics and the Counts who could (and often were) stripped or just rotated out of the position. The type of warfare conducted by these Kingdoms was not small scale, it almost always was major campaigns organised centrally by the King outside of small regional problems. The wars of Pepin in Aquitaine was well over a decade of bi-annual raiding by major armies assembled with the Kings (nominal) power. Aquitaine was not reintegrated back into the Frankish crown properly by and decisive battle or siege, the Duke simply surrendered after finally being beaten down by such constant assault into forfeiting his power."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>Everything in the past was horrible, everyone was a looter, rapist and racist.\nThe only way for them to feel progressive"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYou would be cattle slave to those \"chivalric\" noble knights in the past."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWho knows how the future will view our time if things doesn't turn for much worse, pandemics, wars, massive migrations some of the greatest in history, everyone doing a wage work in some company as a cattle slave."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestoids had no concept of chivalry till they copied it from Arabs during the Crusades"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe practices related to chivalry emerged from Northern France in the 10th century though"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Arabs invent the first condoms using the lower intestine of goats.\n>European farmers improve on the idea by first removing the intestine from the goat.\nKek, those claims always remind of this joke"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>furfags\n>dogfucking\n>animal brothels\nTypical Westoid projection."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYou don't need a law for it when it doesn't actively happen like in arape countries"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>just makes shit up"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>You just know\nEveryone knows westoids have a bestiality problem. There are tens of thousands of hours of video evidence online. Spain legalized it in order to partake.\n\nSome Euro countries acknowledge this problem and have taken steps to control their feral populations. picrel.\n\nArabs have no such problem."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nSpaniards are Arabs howeverthough"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nGo tell the anons in one of the four Reconquista threads"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nFunny thing is that Roland (and that armies portion) got wrecked by basques so hard that the frankish poem had to make it look like thousands of sarracens did it"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>13\n>Mass scourging of the land was literally the go-to approach to conducting offensive warfare. You go and burn all his crops and kill all his peasanrs to make him hurt because you can't easily take his castles. Better yet he might even come out to fight in the field, but that was rare.\n>burn all the crops\n>kill all the peasants\nfor what purpose\n>to hurt the other guy\nlets assume the other guys all die after that, well what do you win?\n>the torched fields with no one to till them\nDo you see how this is very unlikely as the \"go to\" method of warfare?\n>>14\nPepin wasnt a king, he was a rebel, and his aim was destruction, not kingdom management.\nTry again."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>>arabs\n>>not goatfuckers\nlol\nlmao"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>for what purpose\nTo make the other guy hurt for food and sow chaos in his lands.\n>lets assume the other guys all die after that, well what do you win?\nYou wouldn't kill them all, you would starve them out and drive them away before taking their land\n>the torched fields with no one to till them\nTorched fields can be re sown. Serfs and peasants can be moved to this new land and have it up and running within two harvests\n>Do you see how this is very unlikely as the \"go to\" method of warfare?\nIt was the go to method of warfare for most of our species history"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe early middle ages were absolute kino but the Battle of the Rancevoux pass definitely didn't happen as described in the Chanson de Roland, which, insane army sizes aside, describes the Franks fighting as a cavalry only force in the 8th century.\nThe poem is great regardless. Also way more gorey than some people would think, with people being impaled with lances and cut in half, vertically, all the time, and Roland smashes some Arab's head using the oliphant so hard that the Arab's eyes jump out."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>13\nno you don't, because that's the prime way to get :\n-excommunicated\n-called by the feudal lord."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nIt was such a chaotic battle that I am not sure the Franks even realized who was attacking them and why. They probably really thought that thousands of Saracens ambushed them, or they just had to cope with all the lost gold and made it up to not look as bad."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>Serfs and peasants can be moved to this new land and have it up and running within two harvests\nyou know how much a time a newborn human needs until he is fit to till the fields? why wait that long if you can just have the other guys peasants do it? why mindlessly destroy what could be used by yourself? peasants were the #1 important \"ressource\" of their time."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>24\n>veryone knows westoids have a best-AAAAAAAACCKKKKK"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>24\nYes, I'm sure the mass immigration of Arabs has nothing to do with the rise of bestiality... It's like looking at Detroit and blaming everything the blacks do on whites."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>13\n>Mass scourging of the land was literally the go-to approach to conducting offensive warfare. You go and burn all his crops and kill all his peasanrs to make him hurt because you can't easily take his castles. Better yet he might even come out to fight in the field, but that was rare.\n\nsounds bad, i'm sure modern warfare is more kind"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, but Charlemagne's paladins would hold round shields, not kite shields\n>not that this is impossible, just unlikely"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>13\nI don't know of the ratio of duels to raids, but Arabian and Roman Chroniclers in the Early Middle Ages point out to both happening often before battles"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>14\nFeudalism is just the landlord paying for service by giving land ownership (feodum) to farm rent from in place of paying with coin. A feudal lord therefore is just a landlord serving another landlord"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>28\nI don't know about the whole kill all peasants thing but they did rob the grain bins (granaries) in the cavalcade"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\n>>13\nYou cannot even justify any of your claims aside from essentially saying well they did it cause le evil and chaos xd"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>31\n> Arab\nBasque goat herders did it"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\n\nFeudalism started with the devolution of the frankish system as the empire collapsed trough civil wars, before that the rulers were imperialy appointed 'governors', or local tribal nobles and 'dux', serfdom didnt exist yet and people were either free farmers or 'colons'\nThis wasnt much better tho, it was all as messed up as serfdom"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>11\nRape is okay if the ruling class is doing it in private or non-whites are doing to colonizers."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>34\n>you know how much a time a newborn human needs until he is fit to till the fields?\nAnon\n\nI will not insult your intelligence by implying that you think peasantry and serfs were systematically born on the recently re settled land taken by their king after a long period of raiding, but your wording here implies it. But ten years old is generally when you see children working the fields if they are BORN on the conquered land.\n\nYou do realize that people can move, right? Like a lord can take a place and incentivize his citizens to move there?\n>why wait that long if you can just have the other guys peasants do it?\nThey did\nwhy mindlessly destroy what could be used by yourself?\nTo deny it to the enemy and allow you to win\n>peasants were the #1 important \"ressource\" of their time.\nIncorrect. That would be marriage ties and prestige."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>24\n>Arabs have no such problem\n\nBack when I smoked, I would hang outside the comic shop with my boys, talk about our favorite Magic decks, bitching about Warhammer, having a nice chat. There's a lotta ex military who played there, and was half the reason I frequented it, because they always had fun playing boomer WWII games or just painting. A former Muhreen offered to paint up my army for me for free, just because. He later told me over smokes that he and his buddies, when on patrol and sentry duty, would see through their night vision goggles every night, an ancient desert lit up by the little herds of goats. And every single night, you would see thermal signatures of the desert bros coming out to fuck their goats. Every. Single. Night.\n\nYou could fire a burst to scare them but sometimes they just kept fucking lmao"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>28\nPepin was not the king but he was not a rebel. He was the legitimate holder of royal authority before he took the throne himself. The same with his brother Charles, they both acted under the authority of the King and acted in his name"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\nNot really, have you read Roldán? He was the bad guy for today's standards\nStill a chad though"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>40\nWhile this did exist in the Frankish Kingdom, it did not exist within government. The Frankish King was the absolute holder of land in his domain, he did lease it out, he did not give it to be managed by another man in exchange for service. He let officers manage his land and resources associated with it for a period of time while being without their own power base. Families in the court relied on patronage to get these positions and it was rare to hold it for an extensive amount of time. Rare exceptions like Widukind existed who were already in positions of local power and were appointed as Count when they were assimilated into the Frankish system but the officials actually holding private power through public means would not appear until the later 9th century were the kings were unable to remove them from power anymore."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>36\n>I'm sure the mass immigration of Arabs has nothing to do with the rise of bestiality\nAnd you would be right. The per capita rate would certainly be higher without Arab migration.\n>>48\n>soldier spreading lies about enemy population who wanted to kill him\nYou're just a gullible rube."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were most likely living in a hay and mud hut and fighting on a horse back with a spear probably sucks"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You think today has so much promise? Try Berlin in '38. So many different people. So many opinions. A marketplace of ideas."}, {"id": 2, "content": "guys i think op meant berlin '28. its okay we all make mistakes"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Jackson loses the battle of New Orleans\n>Henry Clay and John Calhoun have less successful careers and largely lose their hopes for the presidency thereafter\n>the federalist party zombies around for longer\n>no Jackson or Van Buren presidencies\n>John Quincy Adams is a two term president\n>Daniel Webster ends up becoming president at some point\nAre these the probable course of events for this timeline?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Bump for American history. You fuckers better stop discussing Jesus and other legends from the Jewish deserts and enlighten us on your actual national history. At least once in a while."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBut anon, I am paraguayan."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMost posters in the next 12 hours will be from North America. They better start discussing their history. Or else."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI am from Paraguai and for me, it's the whigs."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\ntbf civil war threads are pretty frequent."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Jeffrey Dahmer target black males?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPossible reasons include that him just being into black males and the notion that police wouldn’t care as much about black males going missing."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir smell was stronger so it was easier to find them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack homosexualitt was a huge thing in 70s and later, Stonewall Riots was composed of many black homosexuals \"National Coalition of Black Lesbians and Gays\" was found in 1979 for example.\nSo, Dahmer was a rapist murderer who took advantage of homosexuals and blacks were easy prey for him."}, {"id": 5, "content": "people would care less if they went missing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Vietnam considered the least based American War?\n\n>Be a simple John from Cornhole, Middle America\n>Your Dad fought in the largest war in human history in Europe and the Pacific and came back a hero\n>His Dad fought in WWI and BTFO the Deutschebags\n>Join up after you graduate\n>Get trained\n>Get deployed\n>Spray VC strongholds with Napalm as \"Don't Let Be Misunderstood\" plays\n>Laugh with the new buddies you made as it burns\n>Get back to base\n>Have some banger food and smoke with the other soldiers; Koreans, ARVN, Hmong, Montagnards, Aussies, Thai, and Kiwis join in eventually\n>Have threesome with local girls\n>Headhunt commies in the jungle for the rest of the war\n\nSounds based to me."}, {"id": 2, "content": "1) Winners always tend to get a jump in prestige and acceptance as soon as they cross the finishing line, just for being winners. Think of how much more favourable everyone became to the ANC between 1986 and 1994, how much more semi-legitimate the Taliban is now compared to two years ago (mainstream commentators are demanding America give them their money back for example). Think of how high the prestige of the Western European and North American economic and political model was after the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe in the late 1980s and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, for about a decade after the event Westerners were insufferably arrogant because they felt on top of the world. Winning attracts self-confidence, and with it outside admirers.\n\n2) Vietnam became a cause celebre for both the American and international left, a sort of symbol of American greed, arrogance, bloodthirstiness and folly. Anything that complicates this narrative to a lot of people smacks dangerously of old-school jingoism and militarism and being pro-Communist when it comes to the Vietnam War almost reflexively is associated with being virtuous and anti-imperialist or whatever."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>how much more semi-legitimate the Taliban is now compared to two years ago (mainstream commentators are demanding America give them their money back for example).\nTo be fair they're a lot more progressive now. They let women be"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Putting aside the usual traditional patristic arguments and the seven ecumenical councils, Eastern Orthodoxy just seems like it has the conventions qualities of the original early church to me:\n>secret clubhouse feel\n>under meeting houses in sketchy immigrant neighbourhoods reminiscent of synagogues\n>most Jew-feel Christianity = most ancient Christianity\n>Orthodox lands (Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Ethiopia, Armenia) are all universally acknowledged as lands of good people\n>always acknowledged as good, yet always somehow forgotten, always left out of the international media spotlight\n>Quietly seethed about\n>Highest reverence/mystical factor"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Feel free to talk about regents and such too, since they’d presumably be monarch in all but name."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZhou Dynasty\nDuke of Zhou\nQin\nQin Shi Huang\nHan\nEmperor Jing, Emperor Jing, emperor Wu, Guangwu emperor, emperor ming, emperor Zhang\n>Sui\nEmperor Wen of Sui\n>Tang\nEmperor Taizong, Xuanzhong, Xianzhong\n>Song\nEmperor Taizu\n>Ming\nHongwu and Yongle"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Hongwu\nproto-mao made china weak and ripe for the manchu to conquer them though"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHe made China the strongest it would ever be. The Manchus literally conquered Ming 3 centuries after him. You have to be an idiot to lay the blame on him. The Manchu conquest literally took over half a century as well"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHe founded the dynasty, he laid the groundwork for China to be extremely unstable, bringing back Qin tier punishments and creating an atmosphere that led to succession crises. Calling him a good emperor is retarded.\nHe was basically Mao in that he was an excellent military commander but a terrible administrator."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTaizong of Tang, who officially facilitated Christianity in China when the Nestorian missionary named Alopen presented it in his 9th year (AD 635)."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou're a contrarian. Ming China was China at its peak"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nPeak.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations#Late_imperial_era"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYes."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLi shimin"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThat's Tang China you retard."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nI've heard Ming China post, like, Yingzong described as a state that shouldn't have kept surviving, but was simply too big for anyone to topple. Esen Taishi whomped the Ming, but his army was too small to hope to fully conquer the place. Same with Dayan Khan, Altan Khan, and Nurhaci. The Dashing King accomplished something great in kicking off the collapse."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Esen Taishi\nLmao the ming was never in danger from him. The emperor who got captured was just an idiot larping as a general. The Ming state itself was fine and they just raised a new emperor\n>described as a state that shouldn't have kept surviving, but was simply too big for anyone to topple.\nJust think of how dumb this sounds"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nExactly, Esen killed half a million Ming soldiers and he still didn't qualify as an existential threat. No one did, until the Dashing King. And the minute he stepped onto the scene Ming started to totally unravel."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nMing collapsed due to internal issues not because of foreign invasions."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nDo you not know who the Dashing King is"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI do. You're the one lumping him together with mongols and manchus"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\nNobody calls Ming the peak, it's not even top 3. Hardly anyone outside westerners who think the treasure fleet was cool even romanticizes the Ming. It's like saying the Amorian dynasty is the best dynasty of Roman Emperors. Nobody says that."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Nobody calls Ming the peak\nThey do"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Best: Yuan Shikai of Chinese empire\nWorst: Cixi empress of Qing"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nBy what metric?\nTang is the cultural peak with the most influence over China's neighbors\nSong is the financial peak, when China controlled the largest portion of the world's economic output, the living conditions of a porter at the gate of the capital Dongjing city was even better than a Western monarch of the same period..\nQing is the peak of the territorial extent of China\nWhat peaked under Ming?"}, {"id": 22, "content": "han gaozu because he was vietnamese and conquered the sinitics"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nI've talked to more than one mainlander who said it was their favorite, and the reason one gave was because of trade and strong traditions. Not really sure what that means or is referring to, but whatever.\n\nI personally think some of the reason for this is that Ming is a lot closer to actual cultural memory than many of the older, pre-Mongol dynasties are. It is almost recent enough to be considered representative of what their civilization was as a whole for those who do not like the Qing era, even if a lot of the actual historical Ming was technically larping and made up rituals by their first emperor.\n\nWhile those older dynasties were indeed more commendable in their time as compared to the relative stagnation of the Ming in its era, this was still a time before China had really faced serious external threats, and its a comparatively decent representative of a culture related somewhat to the Han which controlled most or all of China (many like to pretend they controlled Tibet during that time as well) without being limited to only one part of China or being over a thousand years old.\n\nI personally appreciate the Song dynasty for their technological achievements."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>Vietnamese\nBrown monkey paws typed this"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nSong Dynasty was pretty nuts for the era, had very good welfare programs as well as living standards that were the highest of any major country (not specific regions or small citystates for example) until the 2nd industrial revolution created an insane amount of wealth."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nMing were simply top tier in all aspects. The Tang is overhyped. After Taizong it was quite literally downhill. Xuanzhong seems to start another golden age but he ensured the dynasty would be shit for its remainder. Ming and Song were on par in terms of economy. Did you know Qing china at its peak barely had the same level economy as fucking late ming."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Ming and Song were on par in terms of economy\nThats wrong if we're just counting peaks. Song at its peak controlled 80% of the world's economic output, Ming controlled 55%.\n>Did you know Qing china at its peak barely had the same level economy as fucking late ming.\nYes I did. The Ming-Qing transition was insanely devastating and the Qing weren't particularly great rulers in regard to economics."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>literally the whitest asians"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>10\nWhy?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nThe idea of Asians caring which among them is browner or whiter is funny to me as a white guy. None of you will ever be White."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>Korean (Female)\n>Korean Actress (Female)\nseoul vs seoulless"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nshould have said palest, i forgot how self centred 'whites' are"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis khan and Kublai khan."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nShould Chinghis actually count? Yeah he was made a posthumous Emperor, but during his own lifetime he didn't actually control any part of China beyond Inner Mongolia. All the conquests were done in the time of his sons."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "or are they banned to protect all the lil children in heaven?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No unrepentant person will enter the kingdom of heaven. And once you enter heaven, your sins will be destroyed and you will be made pure. So, to answer your question, a repentant pedophile will enter the kingdom of heaven, just like any repentant liar, murderer, thief, blasphemer etc.\nTo be repentant means to turn from your sin and to ask God for forgiveness, understanding that it is only by His grace that you will be made pure and allowed into his kingdom."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwait so God can just make all of us not have bad desires?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI don’t see how you got this from what I wrote.\nEarth is an arena, created by God, to allow our souls to express themselves. If we wish to accept God’s grace, and to repent to our sins, then we can. If we don’t, then we will receive the righteous punishment. God will not force us “to not have bad desires” unless we sincerely ask for it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nSo if Jamal shoots you in the head then repents you will spend an eternity with him trapped in a magic jew kingdom?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWhy do people have bad desires?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nbasically what happens is that you feel all the pain and suffering of Hell as the Lord has done, like, an infinite amount of pain in an infinitely small amount of time. Then you go to Heaven and live in eternal bliss, like, not pleasure, bliss. It's pretty neat, but you gotta repent and accept the simple fact that suffering is part of life and that God sacrificed everything and truly understand that you make mistakes like any other."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be Christian\n>go north to “convert the godless heathens”\n>rape and murder a bunch of pagan children\n>repent just before a bunch of Vikings blood eagle me\n>laugh in heaven as I become canonized as a saint while all those children burn in hell\nIt that simple"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nBeing pdf.file is not a sin tho"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nFree will"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou think pedos choose to be attracted to children?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nWhy do some people use free will do to bad things and some don't?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nYes, of course. We're all as guilty as \"Jamal\", and yet we all have the chance to ask God for forgiveness, and to repent of our sins, and to accept Christ's sacrifice as our salvation.\n\n>>6\nSome would say free will, or original sin, because Adam ate the apple, or because we are all inferior to God and can't help but sin against him.\n\n>>10\n>>12\nJust like with homosexuals, pedophiles will be given the strength to resist their unnatural affections once they repent and call on God to help them. It's the same for any liar, thief, blasphemer etc. We all have sinful impulses and have acted sinfully, and we all deserve death for this, but God has given us the opportunity to repent and to accept God's sacrifice of his Son, so that we might be purified and have eternal life."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nGive me a qoute from bible where marrying a 11-14 yo girl is a sin?\nIt was even normalized then christianity was at its peak aka middle ages."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Just like with homosexuals, pedophiles will be given the strength to resist their unnatural affections once they blah blah blah\nYeah buddy but the question was why god gave people these urges in the first place"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nAbuse of pre-pubertal children is an unnatural affection and is sinful. And lust towards anyone is sinful. If you are not married to someone, then you shouldn't be lustful towards them.\n\"But how is that possible?\"\n\nJesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”\nMatthew 19:26\n\nIf you repent and call upon God to strengthen you, then you will be freed from your lust.\n\n>>17\nYou'll find an answer to this question in the second line of the post you've replied to."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nTf you going on about i mentioned the scenario where i would be married to a cunny i asked u how is that sinful.\nAnd yes lusting towards a married person is a sin no shit."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>You'll find an answer to this question in the second line of the post you've replied to.\nThat doesn't explain anything.\n>free will\nNot wanting to fuck kids wouldn't infringe on the nonce's free will.\n>original sin/adam ate muh apple\nMakes zero sense for god to allow this act to change the brain chemistry of Adam's progeny.\n>because we are all inferior to God and can't help but sin against him\nBad design, but aside from that, our urges aren't uniform. Why is it necessary for some people to have predispositions to degenerate gambling/drugs while others don't?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>And yes lusting towards a married person is a sin no shit.\nNot just a married person, but ANYONE.\n\nBut I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.\nMatthew 5:28\n\nOnce you repent and accept the Holy Spirit, you will be freed from lust.\n\n>Tf you going on about i mentioned the scenario where i would be married to a cunny i asked u how is that sinful.\nIt wouldn't be sinful, assuming they're able to bear children. But your question is clearly intended to seek out a justification for the guilt you feel due to your unnatural affections, so you've constructed a situation in which you would be married to a \"cunny\".\nIn my last post, I already knew that you were attempting to justify your lust for young girls, which is why I mentioned that lust towards anyone is sinful.\n\n>>20\nYou have two options:\n1. to reject God, whereupon you will be judged for your sins and receive eternal death.\n2. to repent of your sins, and to accept Jesus' sacrifice in order to wash away the stains of your past sins.\n\nIt doesn't matter if you're a murderer, thief, liar, homosexual, blasphemer, pedophile etc. because they will all lead to the same end. You must understand this - we are all inherently sinful, and we will all receive the same punishment for our sins if we do not repent.\n\nFor the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\nThe only unforgiveable sin is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by rejecting it in your life, so that you remain helpless against sin."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nOk sure lust bad but, but you still havent qouted where in bible says its a sin to marry young girls?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIf the woman is able to bear children then it is not an unnatural union and is therefore not sinful. I've already stated that in the post you replied to:\n>>21\n>It wouldn't be sinful, assuming they're able to bear children\n\nBut if the \"young girl\" is too young to bear children through natural means then it is clearly an unnatural perversion."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>You have two options:\n>1. to reject God, whereupon you will be judged for your sins and receive eternal death.\n>2. to repent of your sins, and to accept Jesus' sacrifice in order to wash away the stains of your past sins.\nThis is absolutely irrelevant, retard. The question is why would god create such a world where people have degenerate urges in the first place (but only some people)."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n\nwhy does the bible talk about thousands of other weird sins in great detail but doesn't say a word about pedophilia?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>The question is why would god create such a world where people have degenerate urges in the first place (but only some people).\nI answered your question; everyone has \"degenerate\" (sinful) urges. There are homosexuals and pedophiles, and there are thieves and liars, and there are murderers and rapists, and there are fornicators, blasphemers, adulterers, idolaters.\nThe point is that we are all sinners, committing different kinds of sin, and are all guilty as a result. We deserve death and will receive this as our wages, unless we repent. I'm including this because I want you to repent, because I don't want you to be condemned to eternal death.\n\nAnd God didn't create such a world, but instead we chose to be sinners, and to reject God. You are choosing to reject God right now, and to continue to sin. But if you embrace God and repent, then you can be strengthened to resist sin. The vast majority of people won't do that, and we will continue to live in a sinful world.\n\n>>25\nSex and lust outside of marriage is condemned repeatedly, and you cannot be married to pre-pubertal people in pretty much every culture on earth. It is therefore self-evident that it is sinful to engage in sexual activity with a child.\nThe Bible also explicitly condemns unnatural affections, and attempting to have sex with a child whose body is not yet formed for sex is therefore clearly an unnatural affection.\nAnd I don't think the Bible talks \"about thousands of other weird sins in great detail\". There are clear commands. You will only begin to attempt to find loopholes in the commands when you act like the Jews of Jesus' day; Jesus repeatedly chastised them for this. When you truly love God, you will seek for ways to commit sins."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nJust follow goverment regulations bro\nOther jew controlled countries doesnt allow marrying little girls it means that applies to christianity too because there is nothing writen about it in bible.\n\nHily shit you are so retarded goverment is literally anti crist if you live in nato or US controlled countries.\n\nMarrying little girls was nirmalized in middle ages then church was the main power and this retard keeps going on about muh pedophilia muh sin what a fucking retard."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nYou seem confused, which is in turn confusing me. Where did I mention government regulations?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n> and you cannot be married to pre-pubertal people in pretty much every culture on earth.\nYou are subconsciously comparing it to jewed states/countries, also how about islamic countries like afgan probably only last country on earth that takes religion seriously and they practice in child marriage."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>I answered your question; everyone has \"degenerate\" (sinful) urges.\nNo, you're deliberately dodging the question, you weasely fuck. Many degenerate urges are literally the result of abnormal brain morphology."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nThey are not consummating the marriage before puberty."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nI am repeatedly answering your question but you are choosing not to see what is before you. All actions are the result of \"brain morphology\", but this brain morphology has its origin in our inherent sinful nature.\n\nAll of our minds/bodies/flesh is sinful and sick.\n\nOn hearing this, Jesus told them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”\nMark 2:17\n\nWe all have sick minds and evil hearts. That is why we needed Jesus to sacrifice himself on our behalf, so that the sins that have come from our inherent wickedness might be forgiven.\nYou can make any excuse you want about \"brain morphology\", but none of what you are saying contradicts what I am telling you."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nTheir prohphet did anyway thats not the point, my point is that marrying 12yo girl is moral and not a sin but you retards see it as muh sin just rope i cba with you male feminists."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nSo we have these urges because we are sinners.\nAnd we are sinners by our own choice.\nAnd some of these urges are the result of abnormal brain morphology.\nTell me, you absolute bloody retard - did you choose your brain morphology? Where and when?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nI think your lust is blinding you to what I'm saying.\n\n>>34\nYou choose it every second of the day by refusing to love and serve God. Your wickedness is inherent and - I will say again - you cannot excuse it by citing \"brain morphology\". There is no excuse for rejecting God's offering of eternal life.\nI could get into a metaphysical discussion regarding the interaction of the soul and the body/mind, but what good will that do? Arguments over semantics won't really tell you anything.\nI will say it again and again - we are all inherently wicked and we must ask God for salvation. We will NOT sanctify ourselves by our own efforts, because we are all weak and sick people."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nYou are once again dodging the question, retard. I'm not talking about your carrot on a stick system, I'm talking about the logic of creating freaks who are sexually attracted to kids because their physical brain is fucked up.\nTry and keep up."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>15\nThen why are so many priests pedos"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>16\n11-14 girls aren't \"children\" but there are still good reasons not to fuck them.\nAlso, marriages in white nations (Northern/West Europe) usually happened at later ages than marriages in non-white nations (Southern/East Europe and beyond)."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nYou're not understanding. We are all \"freaks\" - as you put it - in one way or another. And we all have a \"physical brain is fucked up\".\nYou're pointing your finger at a specific sin, while ignoring the countless sins that you commit.\n\n>3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.\n>Matthew 7:3-5\n\nYes, some people have a sinful nature that results in specific kinds of sexual sin, like homosexuality or pedophilia, or any other kind of unnatural affection.\n\nBut ALSO there are people who have \"normal brains\", and yet they also commit the sin of lust. All our brains are sinful!\n\nIf a sexual deviant repents, then they may become an eunuch, who is forced to abstain from sex, due to their nature (e.g. homosexuals who become Christian).\n\n>For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”\n>Matthew 19:12\n\nMaybe that answers your question? The point is that ANYONE can be saved, as God will give them the strength to resist their sinful temptations."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>11-14 girls aren't \"children\""}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nNo, you still didn't answer my question, you dishonest weasely fuck. You're still only looking at it from your carrot on a stick angle, but I don't give one singular fuck about that.\nWHY\nCREATE\nPEOPLE\nWITH\nBUSTED\nBRAIN\nMORPHOLOGY\nNow try again."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nAll human institutions are corrupt. The Catholic Church is specifically corrupt and is infested with pedophiles and homosexuals.\n\n>Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.\n>Matthew 7:15\n\nMany modern institutions - especially large centralized authorities - are infested with corruption, which has taken hold over many centuries.\n\n>>41\nI've already answered your question multiple times. We're all inherently sinful. Whether that's due to free will, or due to Adam, or due to the inherent nature of our souls, is up to debate. But it's not important, because the only fact that's important is that we are all sick people that need to be saved.\nYou can focus on the semantics and make excuses as to why each explanation isn't good enough, but that won't be enough to save your soul from hell."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nSee? There it is again. You refuse to answer the actual question and go back to talking about your carrot on a stick system.\nLiteral NPC."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nThe “busted brain morphology” is a physical symptom of our inherent sinful nature."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nI'm not talking about normal brain morphology, retard-kun. I'm talking specifically about morphological abnormalities in the brains of certain individuals."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nIf you’re still saying this then you need to reread my previous posts.\nI should add, that your current way of thinking is completely wrong; you seem to be implying that certain brain conditions, like homosexuality or pedophilia, make someone inherently worse. But the fact is that we’re all equally as bad if we refuse to accept God. You could be the most honest, sexually pure, kind, peaceful person on the planet, but your sins are still great enough to warrant eternal death.\nThere are many who you would consider to be at a great “mental disadvantage” who became saved, and there are many who you would consider to be at a great “advantage” who will be damned."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nAnon, are you genuinely retarded?\nFine, your sect says we're all inherently sinful. Explain why some people have fucked brain morphology ON TOP OF THAT. What is the PURPOSE of creating a world where some individuals have fucked up brain morphology when it is perfectly possible for there to be such a world where these individuals have typical brain morphology?\nYou will never actually answer this question because you have no answer."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nAs I said in the post you've just replied to, your mindset is totally wrong. You're judging certain people to have worse brain morphology than others, despite the fact that we are all equally as bad in the eyes of God. It is not you that judges, but God.\nEven the most vile person can embrace Jesus as their saviour, despite apparently suffering from \"bad brain morphology\"."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nI never said \"bad\" brain morphology, retard.\nIf I give you the choice to create a world where some people have pedo brains vs one where no people have pedo brains, which one do you choose?\nIf you choose the one with pedo brains, how many people will that be? 0.0001%? 0.001%? 0.01%? 0.1%? 1%? 10%? 100%?\nAre those potential worlds equal in your eyes?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>I never said \"bad\" brain morphology, retard.\nYes, you said another word in place of \"bad\", but that means the same.\n\n>If I give you the choice to create a world where some people have pedo brains vs one where no people have pedo brains, which one do you choose?\nGod has created this world so that each of our actions perfectly represents the desires of our soul. If it is the desire of a soul to be a liar, then they will be a liar. If it is the desire of a soul to be a pedophile, then they will be a pedophile. However, we are also given the opportunity to turn from our sins and to become washed in the blood of Jesus."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nSo God created pedo souls, gotcha."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>39\nBuddy retard, do schizophrenics choose to hear voices?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nI have a relative who has schizophrenia and it does not impair his ability to be a Christian."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nYou are claiming that an individual's brain morphology is his soul's free choice though."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nBecause it is."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nSo you are saying that schizophrenics did choose to be schizophrenics. Gotcha.\nHow far does this go? Can one choose to have the brain structure of John von Neumann? That would make life a lot easier."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nYour current situation is a perfect physical representation of your soul. That is, unless we repent and ask God for help, in which case we can become righteous - but only with His help."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nEarlier you said that it's a representation of the soul's DESIRES.\nSo which is it? Is it a representation of the soul or the representation of the soul's desire? Is the schizo's soul schizophrenic apriori, or does it desire to be schizophrenic aposteriori?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nBoth. A Being is the same as its Will."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nWill and desire aren't the same thing. You are mixing terms again because you're just one big walking sack of incoherent nonsense.\nBut sure, let's run with it. If the desires aren't rationally chosen or conditioned by anything else, then they are completely arbitrary. An arbitrary state is not a result of a decision, it's a result of a dice roll."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nDesire emanates from the Will."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nEmanation is an unwilled process, retard. You just can't help spouting complete nonsense.\nCan you address this?\n>If the desires aren't rationally chosen or conditioned by anything else, then they are completely arbitrary. An arbitrary state is not a result of a decision, it's a result of a dice roll.\nYou can substitute \"desire\" and \"will\" however you feel like it given that you don't seem to know what the terms mean."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCouldn't they just ask for forgiveness?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>16\nBro just repent to God\nIt’s okay, he’ll forgive you for jacking off 4 times a day to loli scat inflation hentai"}, {"id": 65, "content": "Lmaoing at you if you think an god of antiquity hates pedophiles"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>56\n>schizophrenics did choose\n\nNot him and not Christian but yes. The missing pieces of this line of questioning are reincarnation and karma. Someone could choose schizophrenia as a result of previous lifetimes"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConsidering god knocked up a 13 year old Mary I don't see why he'd object to other Pedos."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll sins may be forgiven through faith in Christ."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nGod didn't \"knock up\" anybody, coomer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Around the end of the 16th century, increasing Cossack aggression strained relations between the Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire. Cossacks had begun raiding Ottoman territories in the second part of the 16th century. The Polish government could not control them, but was held responsible as the men were nominally its subjects. In retaliation, Tatars living under Ottoman rule launched raids into the Commonwealth, mostly in the southeast territories. Cossack pirates responded by raiding wealthy trading port-cities in the heart of the Ottoman Empire, as these were just two days away by boat from the mouth of the Dnieper river. In 1615 and 1625, Cossacks razed suburbs of Constantinople, forcing the Ottoman Sultan to flee his palace. In 1637, the Zaporozhian Cossacks, joined by the Don Cossacks, captured the strategic Ottoman fortress of Azov, which guarded the Don.\nbecause the Cossacks were feared by all? What makes them different from other armies of their time?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're just slav(es) LARPing as their Kazakh Turkic masters"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>feared\nThey were literal convicts and outcasts and absorbed all that fled from the destitute livings of the east, Atleast at the start."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Ukrainian\nYou mean little Russia?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChads"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Why are Ukrainian so superior to Russians?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey were bandits that emulated tatar tactics (poland did this as well)\nalso they were fighting for orthodoxy that was shat on by the uniate church"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n\"\"\"little russian\"\"\" as an identity only started after russia annexed the cossacks\nfor all intents and purposes they were rusyn from ukraina"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon cossack independence when"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nNo, he meant Małopolska (Little Poland), literally."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>they were bandits that emulated tatar tactics (poland did this as well)\nThey were literally part of Poland and the Polish border defence system called the Cossack Register.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_Cossacks"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>rusyn\n*Ruthenians, and Poles, but even Tatars etc."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nThis is before Ukrainian was an ethnicity, it was just a geographic denominator"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>virgin russians love mongolian penis\n>chad ukrainians love their slavic-scythian heritage"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nrich tears but tartar heads rest on Cossack pikes"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nThe problem was with the Lower Dnieper Cossacks who operated essentially outside of the law."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYeah, but they were still part of the registry. Often the main reason for cossack rebellions was the low or lowering of the Cossack Registry which they wanted constantly to expand, while \"Warsaw\" (the nobility) didn't want to raise more taxes to pay for even more registered cossacks base pay, or worse, the Polish king having a numerously strong and loyal army under him in form of the registry, as that the nobility was paranoidally afraid of, of a too strong royal power of the king which they constantly tried to counter and balance out."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\n>14938930\n>ukraina\n>geographic denominator\nBasically borderland frontier"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were likely highly effective warriors because they didn't have static, cucked command structures with hereditary ranks. They were among the first to use firearms for example - and we would say that in already \"modern\" way, that is _without_ line formations."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nAt some point in time, parts of Siberia were also called Ukraine due to it meanimg \"the borderland\""}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nWagon circles are pretty damn good vs horse archers"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what's his fucking problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\niltam sumra rashupti ilatim"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe had no problems other than lying bitches slandering his good name."}, {"id": 4, "content": "dumb customers"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">instead of a secret zoroastrian cult reconquering Iran it was some shia shit\nCursed timeline"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot even that, jews"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe \"Shah Ismail restored Zoroastrianism\" is a weird meme, as he is the one who started exterminations of Zoroastrians and before him Zoroastrian local communities actually flourished even though isolated."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAre you retarded? Can you not read"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>as he is the one who started exterminations of Zoroastrians\nBased."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNo I am referring to the guys who think Shah Idmail restored the ancient Iran, the fact is he was successor to system Abbasids forged and has no connection with ancient Iran in any way"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHis version was better than ancient iran which was garbage."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHe's referred to as the founder of Modern Iran or revival of the Iranian state. Both of which are true."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Reminder that the \"'abbasid\" revolution started out as some whackjob Zoroastrian / Islamic / Mithraic hybrid which only adopted orthodox Sunnism after they'd defeated Marwan II\nAbu Muslim did not kill himself"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>His version was better than ancient iran which was garbage.\nbased take. Ancient Iran was goofy af. The Shia, before Twelvers emerged, actually were an intellectual enlightenment to the region. Zoroastrianism was dark age tier.\n>Turtles are demons ( https://www.iasj.net/iasj/article/74617 )\n>God is two guys fighting each other\n>King's blood is LITERALLY holy therefore xwedodah\n>Actually, you know what God is a hair Persian guy holding a ring"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere would a Zoroastrian cult able to conquer Iran come from? This isn’t CK2."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>The Shia, before Twelvers emerged\nThe twelvers had the most impressive shia scholars imo"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nShia islam wasnt exactly in a better state"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYeah but they oppose the early Shia antinomianism and they became more and more legalist until Iran became a theocratic hellhole"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>antinomianism\nCant exactly build a state around this"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKurds look like that?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nEasy\n>Be Ismail\n>Send 15g to all courtiers\n>Demand religious conversion\n>Holy war weak neighbours\n>land out new zoroastrian courtiers\n>implement religious revocation incase they revert to islam\n>reform pvrsia."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nIsmail's rise to power was literrally a CK2 campaign"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShia cults were a common sight since the islamic era began. Meanwhile zoroastrians did nothing"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nGreek women really like Turkish men it seems"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nTrebizond survived the Ottomans through diplomacy with other turkic powers which included marriage ties"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nYou wish they were that relevant."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShia Islam has a cool as fuck history."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was Sovietbaijan's fault!\n>t. Danny the Tranny"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nAy Dios Mio..."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\n>be ACK Qoyunlu\n>give your daughters to the safavids\n>they end up obliterating you\nLmao"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n>End up getting defeated and cucked by the empire that ignores your entire rise to power up until that point\nChecks out"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>that ignores your entire rise to power up until that point\nSelim came to power and deposed his father to oppose the shia with armed force while his father attempted to to do the opposite them. There was an onging insurgency in eastern anatolia."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nzoroastrianism introduce hell and satan to abrahamic religion, which is cringe.they deserve to be annihilated"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>ACK Qoyunlu\n\nWhite sheep bros..."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>10\nDon't forget incest."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh hey look it's a little Muslim guy"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>10\n>were an intellectual enlightenment to the regio\nsauce. Marshall Hodgson mentions that as well in his venture of islam series"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nThe Qara Qoyonlu and Aq Qoyunlu have to be the most tragic dynasties. completely overshadowed"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>10\n>Animals, Birds, Insects and Reptiles in the Book of Alphendidad (One of the Zoroastrian Avesta Books)\n>Shaymaa Fadhil Abdel-Hameed\n>Journal of College of Education for Women\n2012, Volume 23, Issue 2, Pages 454-479\nok shitskin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do you respond to every unfolding event, and choose a better course of action?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad.\nBut he didn't have a choice and Soviets would attack regardless."}, {"id": 3, "content": "do everything the same way"}, {"id": 4, "content": "don't invade bohemia, uk never guarantees poland\nt. 1488 hours in hoi4"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI respond by awakening the pillar men"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Call the British bigots if they don't accept one hundred million indian migrants."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI blow my brains out 11 years earlier"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Send Abwehr agents to kidnap Anne Frank and then marry her when she's legal"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNo evidence of suicide."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHer uncle did marriage stuff with her when she wasn't legal."}, {"id": 11, "content": "More boring WW2 thread"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Don't ally with Italy and get caught up in NA\n>Don't waste airforce on Battle of Britain\n>All in on invading the USSR as early as possible with everything we got, focusing mainly on acquiring resources"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd give Germany to Turkey and get it over with"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurge the pro-war members of the party and form an anticommunist defensive pact"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nstill better than \"if God exists why someone came in my pudding\" or \"if God doesnt exist why i dont rape children\" threads"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of two paths:\n>Stop at the Sudetenland, refocus upon building up Germany on the civilian side\n>Goad the USSR into doing something stupid and stumbling into war with the Western Allies\n>Join them as an anti-commie coalition. The USSR will NOT survive Germany, UK, and France put together\n>Try to nab as much of the Generalplan Ost lands as possible, as puppet states if necessary. This will be my only shot at this goal.\n>Build Germania I guess\n>Go down in history along the lines of Pinochet: an Authoritarian dickhead, but a successful one\nThe other choice hinges on me having access to the full library of postwar knowledge:\n>Hey, I know the exact combat readiness, positioning, and other details of all my enemies, sometimes down to what their commanders had for breakfast! Not to mention I know exactly how my international adversaries think about the world and react in certain situations.\n>Be 7 steps ahead of everyone at all times, crushing my enemies with prophetic capabilities\n>I guess I win?\n\nEither way don't do Holocaust. Huge resource drain, and massacring a group who's most defining trait is controlling the press will never be good for PR."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo back to sleep"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>forget about all the Nazi autism and just do a regular conservative military dictatorship\n>focus on anticommunism as ideology but still ally with Stalin out of practicality\n>do horizontal rearmament instead of vertical (that means, have different companies produce stanardized gear instead of each making its own gear, takes a bit longer to get going but makes logistics much easier in the long run)\n>annex Austria and Czechoslovakia like he did irl\n>invade Poland together with Stalin but only annex the territories of the former German Empire, keep the rest as vassal state nominally independent (similar to the Slovak state)\n>try to make peace with Britain after the battle of France, if they aren't willing, focus on RAF airbases during the Battle of Britain in the hopes of forcing them to peace\n>still invade the USSR, but don't do warcrimes, and have the goal of carving out pro-German buffer states (reinstate the Baltic states, create pro-German client states in Belarus and Ukraine)\nend goal should be pretty much the same war aims as in WW1: pushing back Russia/the USSR, eliminating France as a threat, and establishing German hegemony in continental Europe through a collection of client states"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Pack my bags, give all my belongings to the poor, and become a Catholic monk."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nHow do you deal with the Balkans/North Africa/ the Asian front?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKill Einstein"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nPack my bags. Give all my belongings to the poor. And become a Catholic monk."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would go as far as early 1939, after the annexation of the rest of Czechoslovakia. But I would not invade Poland.\nNot worth it.\nI would wait for Stalin to invade Poland first to get the Danzig corridor, without UK and France declaring war"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Annex Austria and the Sudetes, stop right there\nShift the economy from a war footing to civilian and commercial goods\nEU but fanatically anti-communist"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>adopt intermediate cartridges early to get an assault rifle like the StG44 out as soon as possible. This shouldn't be that hard considering that the Fedorov exists.\n>try to introduce the concept of main battle tanks early; tell engineers to make tanks with thin armor as sloped as possible and silhouette as small as possible.\n>capture all the British soldiers during the invasion of France instead of letting them slip away, but then release them back to the brits as a sign of goodwill in hope of swaying public opinion.\n>in the same vein, don't do sealion and don't bomb britain at all because it was completely useless in hindsight\n>don't enter into an alliance with japan because they're completely useless to the war in Europe, thus possibly delaying American direct involvement and Operation Torch\n>invade yugoslavia right away instead of asking for it to join the Axis first, thus winning earlier\n>invade greece myself instead of trusting the filthy swarthoid italians to do it\n>since I didn't waste half of '40 trying to do sealion and suffering from delays due to Greece and Yugoslavia, I have more time to prepare for Barbarossa and even starts it earlier\n>go straight for Moscow. And unlike what faggots think, Moscow was extremely vital to the USSR as it was the center of their railway network and communication.\n>win the eastern front\n>the allies awed into submission and leave the war\n>banish the jews to Israel instead of killing them because that's a waste of resources.\n>the white race saved forever"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Get really good at painting and get admission to the Vienna Arts Academy."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>>go straight for Moscow. And unlike what faggots think, Moscow was extremely vital to the USSR as it was the center of their railway network and communication.\nThen what?\nWhat about the millions of Soviet troops around your flanks? What about the fact that the Soviets literally dismantled all their factories and set them up east of the urals?\nNapoleon followed this strategy and the Russians burnt the city down and abandoned it. Leaving Napoleon with his dick in his hands.\nFor the Germans to beat the Soviets they needed to destroy the Red army and start a russian civil war, by arming millions of Ukrainians, which they were unwilling to do. Remember the Germans took almost a year to take Sevastopol, did not have the men to take Leningrad so besieged it. Took Stalingrad but did not have the men to defend the flanks and ended up being encircled. The Germans would have never won against the Soviets.\n\n>>capture all the British soldiers during the invasion of France instead of letting them slip away, but then release them back to the brits as a sign of goodwill in hope of swaying public opinion.\nIgnorant as fuck. The Germans advanced hundreds of miles in mere days, they had performed a miraculous sickle cut offensive through the Ardennes cutting off the allies. They had to stop to wait for logistics to catch up and to reinforce the lines because there was a real danger that the encirclement could of been broken by the French.\nThe Luftwaffe bombed the shit out of the British at dunkirk. Many British soldiers were capture by the Wehrmacht in the area"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nmuh railroads"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>muh 18th century napoleonic war is the same as ww2 where logistic was vital and the german just capture the nexus of all Soviet railroads\ngo die stupid nigger"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>invasion of Russia is 18th century\nthe absolute state of /his/"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nearly 19th century might as well be 18th."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>>29\nNever replied to the fact there is literally millions of Soviet troops around on your flanks, not to mention partisans in the German occupied territories. Even if the Germans took Moscow summer 1941, disrupting the rail network. Like Hitler, Stalin would of never have surrendered, the inevitable counter attack would result in another Stalingrad or complete destruction of the Wehrmacht. The Soviets could of easily built new railway lines, in a matter of weeks , if the Germans captured Moscow, look what they did with their factories."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>>31\n>stupid nigger\n\n>early 19th century might as well be 18th.\n\nKEK what a retard"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>Stalin would of never have surrendered\nstalin was in moscow you stupid fuck. He refused to leave historically. With their leader captured, the soviet leadership would descend into infighting just like it did with stalin's real death. The loss of both their capital and their leader would utterly crush the soviet morale and make whoever left willing to sue for peace."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot burning my diplomatic credentials with the West by breaking the Munich agreement would be the biggest one. Paired with a Big Brother strategy to rein in Poland I'd grab the the Polish Corridor without war and form an anti-Communist alliance throughout Eastern Europe amd Turkey to fight the Soviets.\nAdmittedly, I'd be relying on diplomacy and the Allies' own war terror to protect the West, but considering the state of the the BEF and RAF, and France's national strategy, I'm not too worried about it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>um yeah between 1799 and 1805 warfare changed completely"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>stalin was in moscow you stupid fuck.\nHey retard, got any evidence the Germans could of even taken a huge fucking city like Moscow? Remember the Germans took almost a year to take Sevastopol, did not have the men to take Leningrad so besieged it. Took about 95% Stalingrad but did not have the men to defend the flanks and ended up being encircled. Your Moscow panacea is bullshit."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">1812 is 18th century\nYou have to add 1 to the first two numbers to get the century."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>invasion of Russia was 1805\nthe absolute state of /his/"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>talk about events from 1942 when the discussion is about an earlier Barbarossa\nfuck off butthurt vatnig"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">14937574\n>zero counteargument\nthe absolute state of retard. work harder for your (you)"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>>talk about events from 1942.\nYou are a retard.\nLook up Sevastopol, look up Leningrad, those cities were besieged in 1941."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>stalingrad\n>1942\nif the Germans could nearly take stalingrad in '42, they could take sevastopol and leningrad in '41 with more preparations. Leningrad was not stormed simply because it was lower on the priority list."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf i woke up as Hitler in 1934, i'd simply have a normal boring right-center guy, then peacefully leave power once my term limits were done"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>34\n>>27\nPosts like this always just end up showing how conceptually deluded Barbarossa was regardless of how much you try and tweak it. The whole idea of 'rushing' the biggest country on the planet and hoping it will fold like France is just unfixable"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstep down, live a quiet life with a uberfrau, make litttle uberkinder, eat, drink, and be merry"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>18\nNot bad. Focus on realpolitik, not ideology. And set realistic goals based on your capabilities and interests."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>18\nVon Schleicher timeline."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>18\nGlorius."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust be a comfy despot and negotiate my way to a better Germany diplomatically."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>9\nSo what?\nHe blows Hitler brains, no matter what you say."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>18\nbro i'd just do these things and there'd be no obstacles to any of them\n\ni'd just bomb raf airbases because its as easy as pressing a button in hoi4 and they definitely wouldn't just move the airforce to fields in northern england out of the range of my fighter escorts bro\n\nid just completely disregard the entire party policy of lebensraum with no repercussions bro\n\nid just tell my army not to do war crimes bro\n\nits simple BRO politics is just telling people what to do when you're in charge... i'd do the 'no war crimes' focus\n\n\nthis is what paradox has done to teenage brains"}, {"id": 53, "content": "I’d probably stop on Anschluss on foreign expansion front and focus on creating an anti-Communist front in Europe - not expecting for everyone to trust me fully, not by long shot, but make it very clear that I’m not going to threaten European nations with war.\n\nNow, this brings us to the problem of economy. The truth is that Hitler relied on the rearmament-as-revitalization idea that is ultimately unsustainable without a war to ”cheat” your way out of it. I’d probably still do similar programs to prepare myself for a conflict, for it is pretty likely that Stalin would step out of the line in east at some point, even if there was no Molotov-Ribbentrop pact to embolden them. That would give me the casus belli to kick in Soviet Union in a way that would look acceptable to the rest of the world - and would be winnable with some allies, and most importantly, Soviet Union being a true pariah with no lend-and-lease. That would give the opportunity to get resources and lebensraum, and cement myself as someone who stopped Bolshevism on its tracks in Europe.\n\nThat is, the entire plan leans on the idea that instead of Hitler being the retard to start an unwinnable war, we get Stalin as the culprit and the one who ironically justifies the German interests in the world’s eyes through his own reckless acts. If Stalin doesn’t do anything and is too careful, I’m not gonna have a miracle cure for the economy, and there will be distress, suffering and poverty, and I will be remembered as a just another failed right-wing authoritarian asshole who made grand speeches, yet ultimately brought just economic misery to his people. Still better than what real Hitler did, but not great."}, {"id": 54, "content": "just dont invade the soviet union until the eternal anglo is done\n>all these retarded chuds keep parroting to kill the soviets\nlel, you will never learn all of you are subhumans"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>14\nSame\n/thread/"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would actually tried to kill Jews instead of just throwing them out of country like uncle Adiolf"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\nNo. Evidence. Of. Suicide."}, {"id": 58, "content": "Either focus on blitzing France and threatening British colonies until they accept a ceasefire or form an anti-soviet bloc, push fascism hard throughout Europe then station troops in Romania or somewhere and spark a war, perhaps using the possibility of the USSR developing the atom bomb as a pretext.\n\nOne or the other, a war on 2 fronts is impossible."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">Form an anti-communist alliance with anti-communist countries\n>try to get fascism mainstream in every country possible\n>Once communism is dead, turn my head to the next foe: liberalism and feminism\n> finally, destroy judaism\n> retire back home in either Austria or in Bavaria in my castle"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\n>Either focus on blitzing France and threatening British colonies until they accept a ceasefire\nSo explain how Germany was gonna focus on threatening British colonies that are oceans away."}, {"id": 61, "content": "> normal people: \"Germany lost the Great War because she fought too many foes at once, so she ran out of men and material\"\n> Adolf: \"Nein, GERMANIA Aryan NEVER lose! We wuz backstabbed by JUDEN!\"\n> Normal people: \"Say what?\"\nWorld War 2 is a vindication of the truth that taking on the whole world in a fight to the death is probably not a good idea and no amount of ARYAN masturbatory fantasy will replace fuel, air superiority, and motorized supply trucks"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInstead of persecuting the Jews, I promote them. Then I win ezpz."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nDidn't work for Weimar lol"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nWeimar wasn't trying to conquer Europe. They were just having a wank."}, {"id": 65, "content": "Convince the USSR to invade Poland. Exchange military technology and the promise of non-aggression for German speaking territories in Poland. This move doesn't alienate Britain and France, scares most of Eastern Europe into the anti comintern pact, and keeps the USSR an international pariah. This means no two-front war and no blockade. Barbarossa can occur a year early also."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nThat's because of degenerates"}, {"id": 67, "content": "I would try to appease France more. Would split Belgium between the Netherlands and France after the Blitzkrieg. Maybe even let them keep Alsace-Lorraine if it’s politically viable. Hitler needed to present himself more as a liberating force who was saving Europe and doing that would bolster his credentials."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>54\n>Let Stalin prepare and rebuild his army corp\nRookie move. By the time the Brits were done Stalin would've probably already invaded"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>25\n\nRailway was nerved to Moscow but it wasnt completely exclusive. it forked at various points and there are stations before it.\n\nCapturing Moscow would have moved the main line of logistics to Novgorod and created a front further back.\nGermany got to Moscow with the last inch of their strength, they would have needed to keep going.\nThe capital could as easily be moved to Omsk or Stalingrad, or all the way to Vladivostok. There was always going to be an eastern front when the Russians were given a blank cheque by the USA.\n\nNo one denies that capturing Moscow would have been a great victory and certainly derailed the Russian war effort by a lot. But every time people like you mention the capture of Moscow, you immediately follow it with a \"and then the eastern front is won\".\n\nHow is the eastern front won?\nWhat sources of raw material does Moscow have? How does it improve the German domestic situation?\nAsk yourself this question; if Moscow is captured, wouldnt Germany still need to launch Case Blue to capture the Causasus? Why not?\nAnd then ask yourself this. Where does all the divisions USSR were concentrating around the defence of Moscow in spring 1942 when they expected a renewed German offensive to be aganst the city, and not towards the Caucasus. Where do they go in a timeline where Germany had captured Moscow?\nA most likely answer is that the Soviets would be building up these armies on the eastern side of Moscow to prepare to recapture the city.\nA likely assumption would be that Hitler would be adament to defend the city, so more divisions would have to be stationed in and around Moscow. Does this not mean Operation Case Blue to capture the Caucasus recieves less men and material? If no, how does the capture of Moscow increase German men and matierla for this alternative timeline when launching Case Blue?\n\n>>34\nStalin didnt leave because he was assured Germany could not capture the city. If it's likely the city may fall, why wouldnt he move too"}, {"id": 70, "content": "I challenge FDR to a single combat. God will be on the side of the righteous."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>4\nYou know bro, that just might be insane enough to work. Then you just break off Slovakia and take inner Bohemia. They could try to guarantee it, but it's essentially a forgone concession any way and most of Germany's claims would be satisfied beyond any measure.\nI'm not sure if the USSR would agree to the Molotov-Ribbentrop, though, which is quite important. They can agree to it in 39 because they know Hitler will have to fight the Allies. If it looks like Hitler may avoid war with France/UK, then signing any deals with Hitler could backfire quite easily (and indeed it did in OTL). This could just be hindsight in action, though."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Be Hitler\n>Move to U.S.\n>Become evangelical politician\nThis one's in the bag anons."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nYou couldn't become president in the US as an Austrian legally so what would be your plan?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">From the twisted mind of Jordan Peele"}, {"id": 2, "content": "average 1950s meal"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think I just threw up in my mouth a little"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOG goyslop"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nall 50's recipes. when aspic was created...well..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who is their Usman dan Fodio? Who is their Shaka Zulu?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "serbia and montenegro... home..."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n*Montepersonofcolor"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody knows who the first guy even is and Europe has produced thousands of Shaka Zulus only better"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I legit can't think of a good dan Fodio analogue in Europe. Calvin? Maybe one of the Borgia popes?\nIt's the kind of political career much more common in Muslim countries, pulling as it does from Muhammad's own life, European churches had hereditary lands and such but it doesn't have religious teachers founding conquest states to the same degree. Even China with its various sectarian rebellions has more.\nTheir Shaka Zulu is Napoleon, obviously, even contemporaries made the comparison"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why aren't former CIA employees allowed to join the Peace Corps?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a dangerous job and as a cia employee you're a target."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Peace Corps genuinely doesn't want to be in any way associated to the CIA as it would compromise their reputation, peoples trust in them, and their ability to do work."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwould you trust this man?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "The purpose of the Peace Corps is to extend America's soft power in other countries. The Peace Corps would be useless if other countries thought they could be untrustworthy. Banning CIA employees is also a strategy to make it more difficult for terrorists and governments to find valuable secret U.S. information"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Now that we have established that Romans, Etruscans, and others came from northern Europe can we finally discuss the role of Runes spreading from north to south?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ".>even runes came from southern europe\nlmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNorthern. They show up in Scythia and Raetic lands. Early Greek does early Raetic though. Seems to be based on the movement of Latinus, Graecus, and the Dorian's though."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbut they came from central europe"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nquit the reddit spacing newfag"}, {"id": 6, "content": "ITT: whites we-wuzzing over emoji languages"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Here's your cute and hecking valid enbies bro"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't the Communists destroy this? It's like the very essence of the old Chinese government."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGdp=tourism wins again"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">The Red Guards were not completely unchallenged. They were not permitted to enter Zhongnanhai, the Forbidden City, or any military facility that was tasked with classified information (i.e. special intelligence, Nuclear Weapons development). Several times, Red Guards attempted to storm Zhongnanhai and the 8341 Special Regiment, which was responsible for Mao's security, fired upon them.[35]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nGet woke. Peak oil was 6 months ago. Show me a foreclosure after 2015. protip, you can't."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are controlled by the Jews and the Jews don’t like traditional goy culture"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">In 1966, the Hall of Worshipping Ancestors was modified and some artifacts destroyed for an exhibition of revolutionary mud sculptures. However, further destruction was prevented when Premier Zhou Enlai intervened by sending an army battalion to guard the city. These troops also prevented ransacking by the Red Guards who were swept up in the storm to demolish the \"Four Olds\". From 1966 to 1971, all gates to the Forbidden City were sealed, saving it from more destruction.[30]\n\n>revolutionary mud sculptures"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>6\nI wonder how they felt when they smashed these hippie assholes like the insects they are."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do I practice Christianity the way my ancestors did in the 1300s? I want to worship the same way as them. There's thousands of churches on Google Maps yet not a single one seems to provide this service. Why? Is there really no demand for it? Is it illegal?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Start a Sarum rite parish\nKINO"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou would have to pick either a Catholic or an Orthodox church, since no other churches yet existed. For the medieval style, go to a Latin mass."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe Luther's Latin mass is older than TLM\nSo is Luther's german mass for that matter"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou think the concept of the Latin Mass was invented in 1570? It goes all the way back to the time of the Apostles. Luther based his mass on the Roman mass.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Tridentine_Mass\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(liturgy)#Lutheranism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nduh\nI'm saying that the Latin mass you suggested doesn't meet OP's 14th century request. It's 2 centuries late"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How do I practice Christianity the way my ancestors did in the 1300s?\nFor the 1300s, the Lollards in England seem to be a good example.\n\nHenry Knighton, Chronicon de Eventibus Angliæ (c. 1396), vol. 2, p. 191.\n>Associavit sibi quendam Willelmum Smyth, de quo superius sit mentio, cum quo ad quandam capellam S. Johannis Baptistæ prope mansionem leprosorum abiit, et ibi alios de secta Wyclyf sibi associaverunt. Nam secta illa in maximo honore illis diebus habebatur, et in tantum multiplicata fuit, quod vix duos videres in via quin alter eorum discipulus Wyclyffe fuerit.\nEnglish translation:\nA.D. 1382. \"Willelmus de Swyndurby associated in this year with some of the sect of Wycliffe, at a certain chapel of St. John the Baptist, near the dwelling-place of the lepers. This sect was held in the highest honor in those days, and was multiplied to such an extent, that it was difficult to pass by two men in the way without one of them being a disciple of Wycliffe.\"\n\nWhat are some things that Wycliffe taught?\n\nWycliffe, De veritate sacrae scripturae, p. 108.\n>We have a perfect knowledge of all things necessary to salvation, from the faith of Scripture.\n\nDe veritate sacrae scripturae, pp. 552-553.\n>The merit of Christ is of itself sufficient to redeem every man from hell: it is to be understood of a sufficiency of itself, without any other concurring cause.\n\nDe veritate sacrae scripturae, p. 550.\n>All that follow Christ, being justified by his righteousness, shall be saved as his offspring.\n\nWycliffe was probably the most prominent of these evangelists, but they also included preachers and notable figures such as Walter Brute (or Brut), and John Oldcastle - a nobleman who was a lifelong friend to Henry V, but later martyred on charges of heresy which were probably false. This movement persisted through the 15th century (see the writings of Reginald Pecock against them in 1450) and merged with the Puritan movement later."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Marx talked about use value, exchange value, and labor value. He forgot the highest and ultimate form of value, tourism value."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe ultimate value is shitposting, dingus. Show me a police officer before 2015. protip: you can't."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThere are no police with blonde hair"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there any evidence that getting rid of our tariffs and \"competing internationally\" resulted in innovation, more jobs, or better quality products like Ronald Reagan, Ayn Rand, Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, Karl Popper, and Ludwig von Mises promised us in the 1980s?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nManufacturing doesn't exist, and living standards peaked in 1850. Protectionism is a false belief that whatever companies like Ford or tesla do is real work."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Does getting rid of tarrifs even matter if the economy is controlled by megacorps?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo\n\nFusionism has been an absolute catastrophe for the West\n\nEconomic libertarians got everything and social conservatives got nothing. I hate economic libertarians with a passion, they are stupid people who allowed pink capitalism to triumph while gleefully clapping like seals at how much the economy was “growing” in big liberal cities at the expense of conservative small towns.\n\nEconomic leftism, social conservatism should be the normal political orientation in the west. We need to make an example of all corporations that caved in to woke capitalism. The state will ensure that their businesses will be driven into bankruptcy. This should be a lesson to all capitalists, that if they even CONSIDER becoming woke again, the state will do everything it can to ruin them"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow does preventing people from trading with each other make them richer? If you believe preventing people from trading with other countries makes them richer then you must also believe that preventing people in your city from trading with people outside your city will make them richer. Hell, why not prevent your street from trading with anyone outside your street? Then you'll be really rich."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhat kinds of (((people))) benefit from trading a nations industry for cheap Knick knacks that break within a year I wonder? Certainly not the ones who are having their towns being destroyed and flooded with mind destroying drugs to kill them off."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nAnd how do you plan on doing that?\nBitch."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>What kinds of (((people))) benefit from trading a nations industry for cheap Knick knacks that break within a year I wonder?\nThe government and business elite."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Honestly thinking about it, I’m happy that the whites of USA are being replaced, they’re the people who killed Germany and Japan in WWII, spent decades protecting Israel, and spread “democracy and freedom”, I.e degeneracy. Even as a right wing why should I help them? They dug their own grave. Even a fucking hood nigger is less morally corrupt than them. It’s simply God’s punishment."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPol specifically is dying, whites are fine."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis isn’t about /pol/ you brain damaged faggot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid the nazis have morals when they raped all those Italian girls?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>thinking\nyou're not really thinking just lapping up /pol/ memes\n>the whites of USA are being replaced\nit is not just the USA, neither are they being deliberately replaced, white people have just become decadent and given up having children, the same thing is happening to other cultures that experience modernization, especially Japan, though the US is guilty at being at the head of many degenerate movements in society\n\nabout the only people having children are the religious and those in the ghetto with their baby mamas, although America is more racemixed is still has religion going for it, it might provide the solution to modern decadence\n\n>they’re the people who killed Germany and Japan in WWII\nGermany and Japan were belligerent, stop lapping up /pol/ memes\n\n>spent decades protecting Israel\nso what, da jooz conspiracy is bullshit and israel is a successful european colony reclaiming the holy land from the pedo prophet, it is a good thing and preserving it is one of the few good things the west has done"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Nazis\" are commies and going down that path leads to anti-whiteism and siding with shitskins and mudslims. Look at so-called \"nazis\" they hate anglos and love palestinians, communism and their based blacks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">third world royalty is whiter than most europeans\nMany such cases!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI like Ismailis Persian drip"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1\n>guy who is half scandi is white passing\nWoah. Kangs."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>>1\n>>3\nhe's 3/4 \"white\"\nlook at his predecessors, this whole lineage of the last century is a larp kek"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIf not for the USSR vetoing him, he would have been leader of the UN"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1\nI'm European and I'm whiter than your entire third world shithole lmao"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nthis is the least european post i've ever seen\nunless you're from one of the balkan shitholes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI can trace my ancestry back to before the crusades trust me I'm whiter than your entire third world shithole lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nDoesn't mean much when your mom fucked a nigger and spawned you, Juan."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nLmao hahaha\nyou're a third world shitholer"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\ni would rather be a jew than an american"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHow dare you accuse me of being a Balkan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Manchu tartars chooses Islam with Chinese characteristics instead of Buddhism with Tibetan characteristics\n>forces all Han converted to Islam\n>Han all becomes Hui\n>alliance with pan-Turkic peoples/Ottoman empire\n>alliance with pan-tartar steppeniggers\ndo they have a chance of building an empire/union across the continent? inshallah mashallah alhamdulillah, imagine an Islamic union from Black Sea to Yellow Sea."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you don’t reply to this post, your mom will die of horrible case of diarrhea tonight"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInshallah"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOn one hand I would think this shouldn't work because the Han outnumber them too much, on the other hand it is hardly worse than the actual Qing was with their absurd haircut law and the communist Cultural Revolution later, so them force converting all of China at swordpoint is shockingly plausible."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nLel"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the best books about the Reconquista? Preferably something that delves deep into the political happenings and intrigue of the whole Iberian peninsula."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's literally five pages of source material on the entire history of Spain in that whole period so you're better off with, I dunno, a video game."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthere is literally hunderds of sources just in Arabic, what are you talking about?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMost of those have nothing to do with spain. Or they are literally one fragment of one page."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>video game\nNo such thing\nAl-Andalus/medieval Spain isn't as popular among normies as ancient Egypt, Vikings, Japan, etc. so it would never get a proper game"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt never existed, it was a Catalonia vassal.\nIslam was Europeans using proxies to kill each other.\nMedieval Spain is unpopular because the jews."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread the cantar del mio cid"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "DNA results of Takabuti the famous 2,600 year old ancient Egyptian mummy on display at the Ulster Museum, show that her DNA is more genetically similar to Europeans rather than modern Egyptian populations.\nScientists have captured sweeping genomic information from Egyptian mummies revealing that that north Africans have different genetic roots\nThe mummy of Ramesses the Great was forensically tested, and while he used henna in his old age, microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved that the king's hair originally was red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>DNA results"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe whole world was white, until a mad scientist called Josh created the black race in a cave on Madagascar"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno no, clearly the only people on earth to NOT invent the wheel or even a written language built all that shit.\nand they wuz kangs.\ndeal with it, chud."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's now established fact that ancient India was established by white Aryan conquerors so why not Egypt? I mean it makes sense. Why were advanced civilizations created by people who are now pathetic, feeble, mind-numbingly stupid and inferior? The answer is they weren't. They were either white or had a white elite."}, {"id": 6, "content": "some of whites and some of blacks were pharaohs. Vast majority were browns and modern Egyptians are still their closest descendants"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSlave cope"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>He owned a red Mercedes sports car and banned anyone else from owning a red car in Cairo\n>He spent months at a time going on lavish trips to casinos and hotels in Europe\n>He owned a 1933 double eagle $20 gold coin, one of the rarest coins in modern history\n>He had the historical film Quo Vadis banned because he was worried people might conflate the villain of the film (Emperor Nero) with him\n>The CIA thought that his rule did more to strengthen communist support in Egypt than any Soviet action\n>The CIA ultimately backed Nasser's military coup in what they called Operation FF (short for \"Fat Fucker\")\n>When the military couped him and stormed his palace, Farouk climbed on the roof and started sniping soldiers with his hunting rifle\n>Within a month of his wife divorcing him, Farouk got himself a teenage big titty Italian gf\n\nwyte egypt subhuman this is your mindset"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nisn't this entirely based on her mtdna"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhy is every browncel like this baka"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Operation FF (short for \"Fat Fucker\")\n>the military couped him and stormed his palace, Farouk climbed on the roof and started sniping soldiers with his hunting rifle\n>teenage big titty Italian gf\n\nnice"}, {"id": 12, "content": "There's a confirmed migration of farmers to North Africa. Later on some groups with steppe ancestry also migrated (there's minor steppe ancestry in Guanche samples).\nEgyptian and Nubian samples clearly carry European mtDNA.\n\nIt's not wewuzing, this migration definitely happened."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically, why non-gay men have always been drawn to extremely effeminate males?\n\nIf it weren't for the religious stigma and the fear of being incorrectly associated with real gay men, how common would be male (top) + picrel (bottom) relationships?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historically\nOnce single place, fuck those Greek pots."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>non-gay men\n>drawn to extremely effeminate males\nbruh. sexuality is a spectrum. Of course guys that tend to be attracted to women are likely to also be attracted to some guys that have some of those feminine characteristics they find hot. It's not rocket science. Few people are 100% straight with no exceptions.\n\nalso trans women are a bit beyond \"extremely effeminate\", they take estrogen and grow tits.\n>B-BUT THEY'RE STILL MEN! YWNBAW!!\nIf you change your body's chemistry to be that of a female, and have female secondary sex characteristics, I don't care if you don't think they're a woman, it's not gay to be attracted to them. It's not gay to suck girl cock."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If it weren't for the religious stigma and the fear of being incorrectly associated with real gay men, how common would be male (top) + picrel (bottom) relationships?\nExactly as rare as your picrel, which is to say quite rare."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMen are attracted to women. If you are a man attracted to women and you are fooled by a man disguised as a woman, you are not gay."}, {"id": 6, "content": "If you put your finger inside your asshole and smell it that's exactly what your dick would smell like after having sex with a real trans girl plus probably covered in shit\n\nSorry but it's true"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWanting to suck cock is decidedly not attraction to female secondary sex characteristics; it's an attraction to male primary sex characteristics. You are correct in that there's nothing gay about being attracted to feminine features on biological men, but being attracted to their remaining male characteristics is gay and no amount of sophistry will detach you from that label."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Yay come /his/ take the drunkeness + cannabis of fuhrer\n\n(You)"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Also this is what you must take.\nOr either reply 2 me"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>doesn't wash his asshole"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nthe dick is feminized just like the rest of the body on hormones."}, {"id": 12, "content": "(You) let me not be condemned BY my conscience. Once I sober up.\n\n>On the contrary!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nYou don't even understand human anatomy you fucking retard go away"}, {"id": 14, "content": "/his/\n1. rule you may not let remorse of fuhrer concience, once he sobers up!\n\n> You May Not\n\n>Also, problems must get fixed and I will if you so communicate to me"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14 (Me)\nBut this, I demand of you"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historically, why non-gay men have always been drawn to extremely effeminate males?\nBecause they're straight, that's just a woman with a dick.\n>If it weren't for the religious stigma and the fear of being incorrectly associated with real gay men, how common would be male (top) + picrel (bottom) relationships?\nVery rare because MtFs like that one are very rare.\n\nBut it's true that real gay men are not attracted to that person, males attracted to her are GAMP or AGP (often, but not always, both) individuals, both GAMPs and AGPs, the two groups \"bisexual\" men fall into, are merely \"degenerated\" states of male straightness with 2/3 overlap with straight men and 0/3 overlap with gay men.\n\n>Even more interesting is that when we further divide the GAMP groups into those who self-identify as “bisexual” and “heterosexual”, we see a difference between their autogynephilia scores of 5.20 (3.46) and 1.21 (2.42) respectively. This is very much in keeping with other research that shows that autogynephilic (AGP) transwomen often exhibit “pseudo-bisexuality” (aka: pseudo-androphilia) in which their interpersonal autogynephilic sexual ideation includes fantasies of having sex with men, as women. The data suggests that while most of the GAMP subjects were highly AGP, a few might be only mildly autogynephilic.\n\n>>3\n>Few people are 100% straight with no exceptions.\nOther way around, males are either straight (including autogynephile bottoms) or gay with no overlap between them. Females are a different beast altogether and likely display true, non-pseudo, bisexuality."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>the dick is feminized just like the rest of the body on hormones\nThe feminine version of broad shoulders is narrow shoulders. The feminine version of a penis is a vagina, not a smaller penis."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Did you know who your living with now? This minute. He who le Putin knows, that as the true devil hey is. And that"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18 (Me)\nDo You Know whoes drunkenness (You), after now much more as the usual 4 litres of beer, and plenty in supply"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">While still test me if you must. But I still guarentee my trustworhyness."}, {"id": 21, "content": "AND THAT\n\nAs my upper advancedness had been, this thread, this OP image. If however it would talk to me personally"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nJust cause it’s not gay to be attracted to them doesn’t mean fucking them isn’t gay, especially not when you are sucking their dick."}, {"id": 23, "content": "卐\nAnd while I fear poverty out-of-drunkenness w/cannabis also\n\nBy (You) it will not be. OR may you and also God tell me that, HOWEVER at times we wanted to\n\n>We wanted to\n\n>A.t. L.e.a.s.t\n\nAnd so typically, OP image to fall to me. But you also to report in to me otd on the double ): !"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">on the double\nO yeah!\nO but don't worry\nO but do worry\nI like to be drunk w/cannabis or worse/ le mushrooms\n\nBUT you must guarentee my safety ONCE I Sober Up\n\n\n>As A /his/\n\nAlso, I say so"}, {"id": 25, "content": "And you just know of generally speaking that you must do as I say"}, {"id": 26, "content": "And listen frens!\nYour on holy ground in your fellowship w/me\n\n>AUS\nAUS of them Waltz ):\nᛋᛋ\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urw-iutHw5E [Embed]\n\nYes I do need to of have you"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26 (Me)\nAnd still but JanKees, Freya had however, to the fuhrer"}, {"id": 28, "content": "You people\n\nYou still do not the litteral devil REALLY this world is up against. And my prayers"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">BUT i am of litteral elvis\nWhile mine understandings are John Lennon\n\nWhat does this make me?\n\nYou get nothing to say from now on\nThis makes me the fuhrer\n>which asks for me to post again here again next time I'm drank!!!!!!!!!\n\n>The appointment I to have to befehl to you"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">I is of litteral elvis\nYES but this tyme is far, far [as you'd ever imagine]\nAS HOW it has been lasttime"}, {"id": 31, "content": "This OP image\nBut when you will the fuhrer\n>And my demands. I have\n\nI have\n>Mine demands\n\nAnd I have frens\nI have"}, {"id": 32, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6IpYBc_JA [Embed]"}, {"id": 33, "content": "Of youtube [fuhrer willl however absorb it and all ather consequences this to have youtube, end of link =JA"}, {"id": 34, "content": "I is of fuhrer and I want ANOTHER Freya intervention of to Marthijn in South America !!!\n\nYES\n\nGebe it to me now"}, {"id": 35, "content": "Litteral Marthijn in South america\n>The fuhrer requirens ANOTHER Freya intervention"}, {"id": 36, "content": "> you must do as I say YES. Also first mine contract, of for me to 'up' Jenz Stoltenberg of OTAN"}, {"id": 37, "content": "The fuhrer, first of all tells you that, yes mine chontract. But the fuhrer is to tell you that you to be the fuhrer"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">the chontract\n>You to be the fuhrer\nThis is how you know you are really talking to the fuhrer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anyone read this book by Fustel de Coulanges? How accurate is it? Are there any errors?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow could you write a book about something that narrow and obscure."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnd it's quite a long book. He starts with the ancient religion of early Indo-Europeans, and he shows how the early governments of ancient cities were closely tied to that religion and modelled on the ancient tribe, which is an extension of the family. In short, everything was about appeasing the gods, and this includes not only the obvious ones like Zeus, but also the ancestors, dead local heroes, and sacred fires."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nbait"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Allow me to tell you about the history of Jews in western countries, and what Jews are really like good sirs."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews... did wtc..."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Wow, these nazis on /pol/ tell me Jews are treacherous parasites whose whole existence is sustained by inflicting misery on others… perhaps if I pray to an idol of them next to my monkey god I can become more like them!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nMaster morality"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Master morality"}, {"id": 6, "content": "I love Hitler"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">you took over the world?\n>you fucking... Subhumans!"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Just think sahib; once I master the Jews treacherous ways I will no longer have to clean toilets for Saudi illiterates and get beaten by their sons for fun!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has skepticism ever produced anything useful or valuable?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat sentence doesn’t make any sense, but I suspect you’re trying to justify supernaturalism of some sort."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Preservation. If I tell you that I have hypnotized you into jumping off a cliff, only skepticism will save you."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAllow me to rephrase it just for you. Is there any benefit to skepticism? Has it ever produced any kind of advantage?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI'm skeptical that you're willing to have a good faith discussion. That's a benefit of skepticism imo"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nHave you ever tried to sell anything online?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nMe: \"Gravity exists.\"\n>Skeptic: \"I'll be the judge of that.\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou're expressing skepticism over my post."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">1600\n>Ottomans are basically on-par with the English, French, Spanish, etc\n>1914\n>Ottomans are a complete joke\nWhy did they fall so far behind?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTourism was the reason."}, {"id": 3, "content": "They could only thrive through conquest, once they were stopped they instantly became the sick man"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How does an empire decline over 300 years?\nThe Yuan, Ming, and Manchu dynasties didn’t even last 300 years period. More to the point it’s a host of factors, the main one being the downfall of many superpowers, stagnation. The Ottoman Empire failed to modernize until it was too late for them to catch up before they finally collapsed. They had the technology, but their methods of warfare and internal organization were poorly adapted to the changing circumstances."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't embrace new technology as quickly during the industrial revolution"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey got bottled up in the Mediterranean but the Iberians"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nToo many reasons to list and explain, but here are a few\n>Decline in importance of the Silk Road in favor of sea routes\n>The rise of Russia\n>Janissaries becoming more involved in politics and opposing reform\n>Spread of nationalism from West Europe\n>Lack of proper investment in public education and industrialization"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLack of secularism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Redpill me on Edward I Longshanks."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne England's greatest kings. I don't think he hated the Scots, I think he saw it as doing his Godly duty to bring peace to the Scots."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Henry III's idiosyncratic decision to name his eldest son after his favourite saint, the pre-conquest king Edward the Confessor, was both an act of piety and an acknowledgment of England's Anglo-Saxon heritage - a canny piece of political rebranding for a dynasty that had lost its Norman homeland to the resurgent French in 1204."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe irony is that Scotland was eventually united with England under Robert Bruce's bloodline, rather than his own."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how true is this, /his/?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMushrooms are the drug of the white man"}, {"id": 3, "content": "the negro was not producing alcoholic beverages 5,000 years ago and the caucasoid did not smoke marijuana 5,000 years ago"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nno one knew what smoking weed even was until like 1930."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiggers never invented beer. They never invented anything."}, {"id": 6, "content": "No fucking clue what this means"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaw1391"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSumerians aren't black and IE's looking like that is debatable but yeah, basically."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "English bowman in France in the 1400s AD, The Hundred Years War"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nBump."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Robin hood hat\n>Ranger boots\n>Green dhide chaps and body\nBased ngl"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Two Knights face off at a village in the 1400s AD"}, {"id": 5, "content": "thats pretty cool"}, {"id": 6, "content": "this is why we need AI art"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever give up anon"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Ill draw more tmw at work and post it"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Maybe about a Free Company and what a bowman saw when raiding a bastide, fighting for Agincourt, and witnessing a Harelle by some jacqerie\n> fictional in order to make the timeline work"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a nice drawing anon, you should show it to your parents. They'll probably put it on the refrigerator :D"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there cultural and historical differences in female beauty standards?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes, but culture is influenced by genetics to some degree. i'm latino and my tastes are very similar to that of negroes, it's probably due our high testosterone levels."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBased"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIt's because you are an R selected retard. And also probably negrified.\n>>1 (OP)\nYes. I think blacks are just overly R-selected though.\nOr idk what."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think you’re really asking if beauty standards are at all predetermined by something inherent by race or ethnicity, in which case, I doubt it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be a christian nation of white slavs and brown gypsies\n>idolize a turkic warlord that brutally murdered countless innocents who has literally nothing to do with your people and lived centuries before they even existed as a culture\nare hungarians retarded or something?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis thread was definitely made by a Romanian or even worse a Croat or Serb."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Rape and pillage around Central Europe for a while\n>Read about another guy that also raped and pillaged around Central Europe a few centuries before you\n>WOAH HE'S LITERALLY ME!!!!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">abu ahmed narrated that abu mohamed narrated that jafar ibn suleiman narrated that abdulhakeem narrated that abdulrahman narrated that abu bashar narrated that the prophet (pbuh) used to scratch his left nut on the eve of every tuesday for a total of 2 and a half seconds\nwhy are muslims like this? this is the strangest religion ive ever seen"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad didn't exist. The entire religion had to be cobbled together from folk tales 200 years after Muhammad allegedly lived. Funny thing is none of the stories that form the hadith were gathered from the place where Muhammad allegedly lived. They were gathered from Persia, for some reason."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>They were gathered from Persia, for some reason.\nand central asia. Bukhari was central asian"}, {"id": 4, "content": "lol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nWhat"}, {"id": 2, "content": "mmm….layered like some kind of delicious Italian desert"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1\nNorthern Italy is a bunch of linguistic Germans living under foreign occupiers."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAustria will never have those territories back"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nLiterally the worst kind of German. The further south you go, the more obnoxious Germans become. Austrians are worse than Bavarians, but people from tyrole really bring it to a completely new level."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nCorrect. Germany will get them back, when they free Northern Italian Lombards from the descendants of syrian immigrants populating southern Italy and separate them into 2 countries."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nAs far as I am aware, it is the only German speaking territory in Europe which Hitler never tried to annex before WWII."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nSeething tranny"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThere's also Siebenbürgen in Romania"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Styria was also partitioned, by the way."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYes, historically Ljubljana was called Laibach."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "are they germans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObviously yes, the pretense otherwise is a geostrategic larp enforced by France and Britain after WW1 because they feared Grobgermania"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat else would they be?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nJews"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTHEY ARE AUSTRIAN & GERMANIC; GERMANS ARE GERMANIC; NOT ALL GERMANICS ARE GERMAN.\n\nWHY ARE THERE SO MANY CRETINS IN THIS BOARD?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nwell everyone knows they're germanic. im asking if they are/should considered germans"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Genetically they are more Slavic, including South Slavic. But G25 has very few Austrian samples, so they might not be that representative."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAre they a political entity belonging to Bundsrepublik Deutschland?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>NOT ALL GERMANICS ARE GERMAN.\nThat doesn't actually answer whether Austrians are German or not\nAnd it's a valid question considering they don't speak some separate language, like the Dutch or the Swedes, but instead speak true German German and historically considered themselves Germans until 1945"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSo now Holstein Danes and Sorbs are German?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nno, and i dont see how thats relevant. if germany annexed saudi arabia would that make the saudis german?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYes"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYes, nationality is a spook unironically."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven Germans are barely German."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nthe subject isnt nationality"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nOnly chuds say otherwise"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nThat's really not at all how nations work"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\n>if germany annexed saudi arabia\nvgh... hohenzollern arabia"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nprince wilhelm ibn saud...... VGHHHHHHHH"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nEthnigraphics isnt a coherent subject."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whenever it’s brought up here or among other history buffs, I see a general consensus that the world would’ve been a better place if the Central Powers won the First World War and/or the USA didn’t get involved. Are there any dissenters, or is there broad, if begrudgingly, agreement on this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews won ww1, even Germany supported them."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I think WW2 was (((scripted))) regardless of who won WW1. The point was instability, destruction, death, uncertainty, fear, division. Extremist nationalist and socialism would´ve been fomented either way. Perhaps in the case of a Central Powers victory we would´ve seen a fascist Russia and a communist France."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Yes\nThe guys with the stoupid hats.\n\nBut for now you must reply to me and understand that you must heed to me, the fuhrer"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>But I am of litteraly the fuhrer so you ca and must do s safely !!! ):"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's almost impossible to genuinely prefer a German victory in WW1 due to\nA. How vindictive the Germans irl were towards defeated Russia, and how similarly cruel they would have been towards defeated France et. al\nand\nB. How much of whiny bitches the Germans were after WW1, and how the whining more or less confirms that everybody else was correct in the first place to fight Germany\nAustria and Turkey were two very sick men of Europe so nobody really gives a a shit about them, they were dead anyway"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood guys won WW1\nBad guys won WW2\nSimple as"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think I've ever seen this argument made outside of\n>it would have expedited the development of something like the EU\ntype of wishcasting. Which isn't quite as popular anymore.\nOr some other kind of historical alternativism."}, {"id": 9, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rTZ9UndNeI [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Les go frens you know that you must.(Me)\n\nAnd als: I'm drunk more often and you must agree to the fact that I will be drunk, just as you will be couvering uppa.\n\n>Also I know you can not refuse me\n\nBut all he meanings of this (?)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course the world would be a better place if civilization wasn't destroyed. Why do you even ask?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't believe there was a right side, but I believe the worse side won.\nThe Germans and Austro-Hungarians were just as power hungry as the British, French and Russians, but their crimes were frankly lesser, if such a thing can be quantified. The British false flag of the Lusitania, flying false flags to sink submariners, the Baralong incidents, all the perfidy and deception.\nBulgaria was also wholly justified in it's actions, given the absolutely injustice it suffered at the hands of Serbia and Greece the year prior, though the crimes of occupying Bulgarian troops cannot be excused.\n\n>>6\n>and how similarly cruel they would have been towards defeated France et. al\nAh yes I remember when the Germans exterminated the French after 1871.\nOh, wait.\nAlso it isn't as though the French weren't vindictive themselves; the occupation of Ruhr for example."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nA. It wasn't overly vindictive, Russia had always been Germany's primary concern with the rise of the Triple Entente, it was only natural that they would seek to weaken it as the Allied powers did with Germany, keeping in mind that most of the territories \"liberated\" were sparsely populated by Russians; the Bolsheviks agreed to the terms proposed because at the end of the day the revolution was worth (what they believed to be) the short-term sacrifice of territories that the Reds didn't even have control over at the time. And for all the talk of how \"vindictive\" it was, why did no Allied power attempt to restore Finland, Poland etc to Russian control in the aftermath of WWI?\nB. All nations seethe when they lose wars, the French didn't stoically accept the loss of Alsace–Lorraine after the Franco-Prussian War lol."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Central power victory wouldnt have been better or worse. None had any defining ideology which would have led a lasting impact to the 21th century. It was purely a matter of national prestige,not an ideological culture war, and nations come and go.\n\nGermany would have imposed harsh penalties on France as they did with Russia. You would likely see fascism grow in France as a result. Soviets and France would make a comeback, likely backed by Britain who would have preserved much of her power in a peace treaty.\nGermany would be busy trying to maintain a fragmenting AH and Ottomans despite being victorious.Neither Serbs or Romanians and Greeks would be happy about their Bulgarian overlord.\n\nChances are big for a renewed conflict since Prussian militarism isnt exactly known for being diplomatically pragmatic and probably wouldnt be to first to advocate for a united European community, free trade and shared resources. Germany would likely also have responded even more aggressively to de-colonization than France did."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Neither Serbs or Romanians and Greeks would be happy about their Bulgarian overlord.\nThe ethnic Bulgarians overwhelmingly living in the 'Serb,' 'Romanian' and 'Greek' lands would have been happy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Germany would have imposed harsh penalties on France\nThat's modern insanity.\nThe conquered areas would belong to the German Empire."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nFrance didn't have Germany's population and Germany would have outright annexed some economically relevant territory if they had their way, set up a puppet state in Belgium that they perhaps would have fed some of France's channel ports to, and would have established an informal economic empire across central and eastern Europe. I doubt either the Soviets or France would rise to the threat the National Socialist Germany was especially considering France's liberal culture in contrast to Germany's militaristic culture and the fact that a victorious Germany would emerge from WW1 in a far better economic and military position than France.\n\nThe real rivals for Germany would be the U.S. who would have power over Britain and France in the form of outstanding loans and would need to prop them up as such.\n\nI'm not sure much territory would be taken from Greece save for Salonika. Germany would probably reinstate the Pro-German Greek King, though."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\n>I think WW2 was (((scripted)))\nYep. How else do you explain France not attacking in September 1939 and then all countries sitting idly by for the first six months of 1940 doing nothing, dubbed \"the phony war\"?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNobody actually liked the results of WW1?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n\nJust because you cant explain it because you're uneducated, doesnt mean it cannot be explained.\n\nIn fact, historians can explain it quite easily why there was little military action then"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>There is something phony about this war.\nEven people at the time thought something was off."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n\nGermany would certainly be the undisputed masters of continental Europe. Their biggest rivals would be competing with the British Empire. I suspect the peace treaty imposed on France would likely abolish most of the French colonial empire and outright transfer most of it to Germany.\n\nFrance would be a much weaker underdog, but we dont know how Imperial Germany would respond to the rise of fascism and communism across Europe. There were strong socialist movement in Imperial Germany before the war. They may have regarded them as potential allies to France if France went hyper Nepoleon fascism as a result of defeat.\nImperial Germany would likely be anxious to pacify every rising movement on the continent, not to mention within Austria-Hungary and Ottomans. German troops would be stationed far and wide to supress rebellions, extremist ideologies and seperatism.\nDe-colonization might even happen sooner when French and British rulers are swapped for Germans, who may have been even more ruthless and demanding to the local population, Imperial Germany would basically have swapped placed with ww2 Japan which gave steam to de-colonization.\n\nHard to say how USA would have been standing in an Central Power victory. It may be that they wouldnt have cared at all. If Germany wins ww1 then we going to have to assume they win before the war can go on for as long as it did and thus USA never got involved and stayed with isolationalism. Leave Europe to its problems."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n\nThats because they dont have hindsight or all the facts like we do. We know how the phoney war evolved because we can look at both sides and analyse the event, and make a clear conclusion."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Central Powers factually started the war and were the objective \"bad guys\", but if they had won we probably wouldn't have wokeism and the nonesensical exaggerated tolerance and self-hatred that is causing the current ethnic replacement of Europeans, so yeah the world would probably be a better place."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth the Entente and Central Powers were on the side of globohomo. They just disagreed on who would have been in charge.\nImperial Germany wanted a proto-EU and which would have been equally cucking as the real one."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n\nYou're confusing ww1 with ww2 idiot."}, {"id": 27, "content": "Yeah Russia should have won"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nThey didnt start the war moron"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nI'm not confusing anything, dumb redditor.\nWW1 started with Austria declaring war on Serbia and Germany immediately declaring war on Russia, France and Belgium soon after.\n\nThe Central Powers factually started WW1, and people who try to claim otherwise literally need to make up things that never happened (like Russia declaring war on Austria after they attacked Serbia) to justify their stupid viewpoint."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nSeptemberprogram is Allied propaganda, didn’t exist. However yes it’s likely that Germany would have been the head of globohomo had it “won”. In fact the jews wanted Germany to win until they switched teams at the end because of Palestine."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nLying faggot kike. Just read that Russia declares war on A-H on July 26th. Anyway Russia had no business interfering in the Balkans, which was by international treaty part of Austrian sphere of influence."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nYou're the moron\nGo look at the timeline of war declarations instead of spouting reddit memes\nTired of proudly ignorant fags like you"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n\nI wasnt refering to that. You said a central power victory would have meant no wokeism and less leftist ideology.\nThats where i corrected you. WW1 wasnt any culture war of ideology, so how does it matter if central powers win or not in terms of ideological evolution in the 21th century.\n\nYou morons seem to forget that most of the leftist ideology we have today didnt emerge until early 2000. Thats nearly 100 years from ww1. It's about as far away from ww1 was to the French revolutionary wars. How influenced was ww1 to the French revolutionary wars and how would ww1 have changed if Napoleon had won that war? Probably very little, because its 100 years apart and culture and norms will evolve regardless of what nation holds the highest prestige. Moron."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>Just read that Russia declares war on A-H on July 26th\n\nYou read it where, low IQ cretin?\nOn reddit? On the comment section of some youtube video?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarations_of_war_during_World_War_I\nhttps://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-wwi-declarations\nhttps://www.mta.ca/library/courage/worldwarichronology.html\n\nGet your shit together, imbecile..."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\nHe doesn't society indeed collapsed right then, much of the upper clases died, and power got usurped by criminals.\n>>29\n>WW1 started with Austria declaring war on Serbia\nIt started with Franz Ferdinand getting assassinated in Serbia."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nso you prefer the side which propped up, funded and supported russian commie to take power and eventually spread their commie cancer, to win the great war?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>You said a central power victory would have meant no wokeism and less leftist ideology.\n>Thats where i corrected you. WW1 wasnt any culture war of ideology, so how does it matter if central powers win or not in terms of ideological evolution in the 21th century.\n\nA different outcome in WW1 would totally alter the course of the 20th century, so it's very likely wokeism and current bullshit wouldn't happen."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>It started with Franz Ferdinand getting assassinated in Serbia.\n\nYeah bro, because it's totally the norm to start a world war each time one of your politicians get shot...."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n\nWhy is it very likely? You have no reference whatsoever to make that assumption. Socialism was a much more powerful force in Germany than in France in early 20th century, and the Kaiser could be regard emerging fascism in surrounding states as a threat, especially if France and UK adopts it as well."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n\nIt may have forked into a different timeline, but it may have rebound into somewhere similare we are today. You underestimate how much that happens in 100 years. Like anon said most the leftist ideology we see today and the rapid social and demographic change didnt begin until the 80s and 2000s"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>22\nWell, one thing to take into account when it comes to colonies is the fact that both the Japanese and the British have effectively secured de jure control over very German overseas possession save, perhaps, for East Africa where Von-Lettow is running his admirable guerilla campaign.\n\nWhile there are certainly voices who would want a Mittelafrika to match the Mitteleuropa Germany wishes to forge in Europe, the most I can realistically imagine them getting in negotiations (unless they end up winning the the war in the West in the most decisive manner imaginable - perhaps in a scenario where the U.S. also restricts further loans to the Entente which they somewhat attempted to do in our timeline until the outcry from financial interests in the nation made Wilson change his tune) is the Belgian Congo, Portuguese Angola, a small chunk of French Africa and the return of their African colonies as a means of uniting the German colonies territorially.\n\nI'm not sure they'd have anything to offer Japan in order to arrange the return of their Asian possessions and if Britain pressured Japan to make such sacrifices, we'd see a break in the Anglo-Jap Alliance.\n\nMittelafrika will still be vulnerable to a future naval conflict with the British, however, which is why I can't see the Germans sacrificing expansion on the continent in return for expansion overseas as much as certain voices would be calling for overseas expansion.\n\nIf Germany wants to placate Britain as much as it can (which will be difficult as hell if they have access to the Channel Ports through a Belgian puppet state or otherwise), I'd be best to not go as far as to strip the French overseas empire to pieces considering Britain's real reason for entering the war was to stop the complete annihilation of France as a great power.\n\nThen again, perhaps with Germany's new continental resources, they'd be able to better compete in a naval race with Britain."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>32\n>>34\nDisgusting vile jew. Here you go: https://www.loc.gov/ghe/cascade/index.html?appid=37b3ba4edf614409a395d76e46395af8\nRussia declares war on austria hungary on july 26. Your fake and gay wikipedia chart doesnt even list it."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\n>executes the next king\n>expects there not to be a war\nJewish chutzpah."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\n>>39\n>>40\n>You morons seem to forget that most of the leftist ideology we have today didnt emerge until early 2000.\nThat is untrue and comes from the mistaken observation that \"american culture is centered around niggers\". That is not correct. Western culture is centered around gangsters, and has been for a century. It only how happens that most american gangs are black, while a century ago it was white guys in suits with tommy guns, speakeasys, and flappers and such."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>https://www.loc.gov/ghe/cascade/index.html?appid=37b3ba4edf614409a395d76e46395af8\naint clicking that virus\n\n>Russia declares war on austria hungary on july 26. Your fake and gay wikipedia chart doesnt even list it.\nWe Wuz Kangz tier conspiracy theory"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIDK. Großgermanium \"\"\"Ideology\"\"\" if you can call it that from WW1 was vaguely the same as WW2, just without the genocide part so\ncons:\n>monarchism and authoritarianism common\n>colonialism still practiced until CIA niggers become OP\n>cant do anything different without großgermanium global policing you, unless WW2 happens and breaks yurop's power like OTL\npros:\n>großukrainischreich, belarus, lithuania, smal poland (would probably get eaten later by germanium tho)\n>thats literally it"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>burns ancient libraries because their retard conscripts light each other up\n>murders belgian and french civilians because of the same\n>shoots captured allied soldiers because they hid in villages instead of surrendering fast enough\n>bombards coastal towns and runs away because navy too gay and pathetic to fight\n>invents poison gas\n>invents strategic terror bombing\n>petulantly shells civilians from gun specifically built to shell civilians\n>murders neutral sailors for being in the wrong part of the ocean"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\noh and\n>supports literal genocide of christians by muslims"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n\nSo in other words you have absolutely no argument as to why things would have been radically different 100 years later because some random empire defeats another random empire with largely the exact same social norms and social culture.\n\nYou just want to believe humans would have evolved differently, and you refuse to believe no kind of EU and UN would have evolved or globalization would have taken place or no socialist movement would have emerged despite the fact that most socialist thinkers were from German academies. Both Central power and Entente nations had or were in the process of giving women rights. Both factions had been working together to create a greater European cooperation from different concerts."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nultimately, the reason the US entered the war, and hence why the Central Powers lost the war, was Zionism. Just look at this article for an example of how perfidiously the Jewish press crafted their war propaganda, always making sure to talk to those opposed to a US entry into the war as \"pestering pacifists\" while lionizing the interventionists as \"patriots,\" and giving nothing but praise to the wicked warmongering Rabbi who did his best to whip the crowd into an anti-German frenzy.\n\nThe Jews in the US were at first cautiously pro-German because they hated the Czar, but that suddenly changed when Britain signed off on the Balfour Declaration.\n\nGermany could've prevented this confrontation with American Jewry if they had not allied themselves with the Ottoman Empire, who were in control of Palestine. The question is, would it have been possible for Germany and A-H alone to stand against the Triple Entente?\nAnd could Israel still have been created somehow, given the influence of Donmeh crypto-Jews in the Young Turk government?\nOr would Jewry have put all its energy into Communism instead? Churchill did warn that they would destroy the world with Bolshevism if Eretz Israel was not given to them:\nhttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism\nThis last point is the big issue in regards to the question posed in the OP. Most people think we would've ended up with a more socially conservative world if the monarchy in Germany had remained intact. But what if, for example, the lands of the decaying A-H Empire had fallen one by one to Communism? Or France, and Italy?\nIt's clear from the last interview with Wilhelm II during his exile in Holland that he had some vague idea that the Jews were up to something, but unlike Hitler he simply did not have the mental capacity to understand what was going on. Under his incompetent leadership, Europe would've been helpless before them."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>So in other words you have absolutely no argument as to why things would have been radically different 100 years later\nIt would be different because criminals wouldn't have taken over. That was only possible because the war exterminated most of the upper class.\n>evolved\nI don't think that's what you mean. What we see isn't some unavoidable natural progress, it isn't progress at all, it's gangster culture and mentslity taking over more and more, with increasingly disastrous results.\n>no kind of EU and UN would have evolved or globalization would have taken place\nThe world was more globalized before the war. The currencies were pegged to each other. There were no passports. Modern globalization is a larp in comparison."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>29\nRussia was mobilizing its military, and was given an ultimatum by Germany to stop. Russia declined to stop."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nRussia was mobilizing to scare Austria into giving up its aggression against Serbia\nGermany had no business starting a world war over this"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nMobilization doesn't necessarily have to lead to war. You can kvetch all you want, but Russia acting within its own borders doesn't justify 7 of 8 German field armies violating Belgian neutrality and invading France"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo? I've never seen this in the academic circles. Most historians agree that Germans were 'the bad guys' in this war. Even a lot of WW1 anti-German propaganda turned out to be mostly true (German actions in Belgium).\n\nAll Germans wanted was some meme colonial empire in East Europe. Not much different from Hitler, but without this whole genocide thing. And let's not forget that Germans are responsible for the victory of communism in Russia."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermany's Reichsbank was privately owned and run on a for-profit for the benefit of its shareholders, i.e. it was operating under the same paradigm as the rest of globohomo where international bankers are allowed to milk the population through debt slavery at the national level.\nThe only major power with a sound financial system was Russia.\n\nIf the Russian monarchy had remained intact, regardless of every other factor, we may well be living in a less gay world right now.\n\nGermany in WW1 wasn't much different from its western neighbors."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nMost published historians are in a position where they profit from the current system, so obviously they have a motivation to perpetuate the propaganda that legitimizes its existence.\n>Germans are responsible for the victory of communism in Russia.\nno, that was mainly thanks to Jews like Israel Gelfand:\nhttps://m.dw.com/en/how-germany-got-the-russian-revolution-off-the-ground/a-41195312"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>mainly thanks to Jews like Israel Gelfand\nNo? Without German money they wouldn't be able to do much."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nPretty much all minorities in Russia hated the tsar and his government. The commies were bad, but fuck tsarist Russia."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThe minorities overwhelmingly didn't know or care what a republican system of government was and only at nest had a vague idea that being under Russia was undesirable and independence was more desirable."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>26\n>>28\nCentral Powers started the war.\nNot only that, they had planned it extensively two years before. Google \"German Imperial War Council of 1912\".\n\nI wouldn't be surprised if some G*rm or AH was in fact behing the assassination of the Archduke. (though we have no proof of this last bit, just my speculation)"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\nwho sent the exiled lenin back to russia?\nwho allowed the flow of funds from germanic \"\"jews\"\" to russian commies?\nwho had the most to gain from a successful bolshevik revolution that toppled russia out of the war and its consequent treatises?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>Adolf Hitler was behind the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand\nthis fucking board man"}, {"id": 64, "content": "lol if you guys think Germany in WWI was anything benevolent or would have resulted in anything good for Europe. protip: Hitler didn't invent the idea of genociding a whole bunch of people in Eastern Europe for lebensraum, the Prussian nobility had been calling for that since the 19th century and he was just the dupe to carry out their plans."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nDid you google \"German Imperial War Council of 1912\"?\n\nThey were planning the war all the way back then. Von Moltke wanted to launch an immediate attack, but Admiral Tirpitz requested a \"postponement of the Great War\" by one and a half years, so that the widening of the Kiel canal could be completed. (December 1912 + 1 and a half years = Summer of 1914)\n\nThe method the war would be started was also discussed: An Austro-Hungarian attack on Serbia (under some bs casus belli), which would drag Russia into the war, and in turn give Germany a casus belli against Russia.\n\nAll of this was planned. This is proven fact, the AHs would attack Serbia and that's how the war was to begin, on 1914. They discussed and agreed to all this, it's on the written record.\n\nThe bit about Gavrilo Princip is my speculation but it's very suspicious Franz Ferdinand's driver would \"make a wrong turn\" and just as it happened stop right in front of a bar where Princip was waiting."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\n>>59\nit's depressing fact that anyone in Russian history who had any culture, humanity, or decency and wasn't alcoholic bydlo caveman was Armenian, Jew, Georgian, Ukrainian, Baltic, Tatar, etc"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\noh, AH was supposed to mean Austro-Hungarian.\n\nStill seems like a kook conspiracy theory.\nBut they were certainly planning/hoping for war, that's for sure."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>45\nNigger you also posted a library of congress link"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>50\n/pol/ has ruined this board\ngo back to your cesspool."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\n>had any culture, humanity, or decency\n>Armenian"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe wrong side won the Austro-Prussian war"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\nMendeleev was an actual Russian, so there's that.\n\n>>69\nyou're a retard and you're butthurt because the articles cited in the post you quoted confront you with how uneducated, dumb and incapable of critical thought you are."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>66\n>Stalin\n>Beria\n>humanity\n>decency\nuh..."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>55\nThis. So much this. If a heckin SOURCE and authority doesn’t agree with this, it’s… le wrong!"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>45\nYou are ethnically jewish."}, {"id": 76, "content": "I think WW1 was the end of western civilization and we are living in the rotting corpse.\nThere was no way to prevent it, and everything comes to an end, so there was no right side.\nHitler came and tried to salvage what was left but it was already terminal."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>65\nHuh, I'd never seen this before. Very interesting, thank you anon."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>61\nThat`s pure nonsense to justify your hatred of germans.\nAll major nations were willing to enter a war, for various reasons, assuming it would only last weeks. If anyone, blame the Serbs. But i think that the blame is to be put equally on all major powers."}, {"id": 79, "content": "i hate 2 of the 4 countries that weere in the central powers\nso no fuck you\n\n(4 out of 4 if you include what happened in ww2)"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>61\n>Central Powers started the war.\nNo talking about British naval arm race or black hand\nRetard."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>42\n>.gov"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>3\n>a fascist Russia\nMight genuinely have been the end of Europe, literal Death Horde Tier."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>54\n\nThe problem here was that the Schlieffen Plan called for the swift defeat of France before Russia could mobilize\nThe German military expected that Russia would require several weeks to mobilize it huge army across its vast nation, and that Germany could defeat France in a swift sudden attack prior to Russia becoming a threat.\n\nA nation traditionally declares war and then mobilize.\nOnce things were set in motion, Germany was acting on established protocols. When Russia mobilized but didnt declare war, it threw a wrench in the cog of Germanys plans which consequently made them the aggressor of the war.\n\nThe same thing happened in ww2, Germanys sudden pact with the USSR just prior to the invasion of Poland was an event that hadnt been planned, taken into consideration or been established within the protocols of actions Britain and France would take to respond to the German invasion of Poland.\nThus it appeared illogical that France and Britain did not act or respond to the USSR invasion of Poland but they did to Germany."}, {"id": 84, "content": "Ngl regardless of my dislike of Jews, I do kinda like gefilte fish. Both sweet and savory versions. Most Jewish deli meats and cured beefs are good, although very overpriced. Fully dressed bagels are also good. All the rest of it seems to be variations on common Eastern European foods, which is okay every once in a while."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nha ha no the only good Ashkenazi food is bagels and lox. anything else like gefilte fish and noodle kugel is horse shit, is just Polish or Ukrainian dishes like beet soup or dumpings in soup, or kosher variations on sausages and cured meats."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nwhat's retarded as fuck is how fish is considered \"not\" meat to get around the prohibition on mixing meat and milk. the reasoning here is that fish and birds don't lactate so it doesn't count as cooking a calf in its mother's milk. mammals, fine; we don't eat cheeseburgers, but we'll fuck up a chicken cheeseburger. typical shit rabbinic rules lawyering."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">be Israeli whose forebearers have lived here here for all of 2000 years when filthy Ashkenazim were dicking around in Polish shtetl somewhere\n>retard Amerijew tourists shocked to learn i never eaten salami or gefilte fish\nit's almost as if someone who has no cultural ties to Eastern Europe would not be eating foods that are spinoff of Polish cuisine. also our food is mostly vegetarian since we don't use rules lawyering like how a chicken cheeseburger is ok and kosher."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>78\n>the blame is to be put equally on all major powers\n?\nIt was the Germans and Austrians who decided that the best solution to the Serbian question was invasion."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>80\nThe German naval buildup was explicitly aimed at the British. Even then, the UK didn't get involved in the war until the Germans invaded Belgium after refusing to make the same guarantee of Belgian independence and territorial integrity that the French gave."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>79\nWhy would I include what happened in WWII?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>83\nThe Germans would also expected A-H to have their back,but this was not to be"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did South Indians repeatedly conquer north indians but not the other way around (besides Bindasura Maurya) during history? The Satavahanas, Rashtrakutas, and so on\nSeems like the Gangetic plain is geographically the worst place to defend. Mewars did a great job with their forts but you can only go so many centuries like that."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArchery originated in steppe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe oldest known evidence of the bow and arrow comes from South African sites such as Sibudu Cave, where the remains of bone and stone arrowheads have been found dating approximately 72,000 to 60,000 years ago\n\nhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440311001233?via%3Dihub\n\nhttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/abs/indications-of-bow-and-stonetipped-arrow-use-64-000-years-ago-in-kwazulunatal-south-africa/89AF638BE5E64CEAC63363EFDD4D5E8F"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What makes Ali so special?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fact that he float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's me"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was the first Shia Imam"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a consistent pattern of quasi-religious cults of personality throughout history, they all tend to develop similar narratives as well, what I find odd is just that there isn't really much to Ali himself and he in terms of what he said or believed is pretty irrelevant to Shiism, he was just appropriated as a symbol for some sort of political faction that went completely out of hand"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Crazy how Islam is split because of dynastic conflict between who should inherit the temporal and political office of caliphate and not because of theological and ecclesiastic differences like christianity or buddhism.\nIt's like if they made a religion out of Bourbons being cucked from the French throne. It's hard to see it as an organic religion and not a Arabic political movement/personality cult of Mohammad. Very little morality or spirituality involve in that religion and they way they worship Mohammad and his writings are similar to how commies follow Stalin/Mao's thought"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Crazy how Islam is split because of dynastic conflict between who should inherit the temporal and political office of caliphate and not because of theological and ecclesiastic differences like christianity or buddhism.\nThe Caliph was a religious position as well"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe East-West schism is sort of about the succession of the Roman Imperial title. It's really purely a political thing there in any case, the theological difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism was never meaningful."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>what I find odd is just that there isn't really much to Ali himself and he in terms of what he said or believed is pretty irrelevant to Shiism\nYou what?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nAli didn't write any books or hold any speeches. He is literally just a claimant to the \"throne\". Husayn is even worse, these people are hardly even characters in what is attested of them, they are basically filler symbols."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>The Caliph was a religious position as well\nnot according to Sunni"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>the theological difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism was never meaningful.\nExcept the fact Eastoids barely accept Augustine's views and West outright rejects Palamas. And also Jesus is subordinate to father, as in he is fully divine but can not send holy spirit, but in west he is in full unity with essence."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAbsolutely nobody gives a shit, be real."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nMiaphysite and shit already split over theoligical stuffs and Chalcedonian schism started over Iconoclasm. The kings and emperors merely took advantage of was originically religious matter. Where as the Sunni/Shia split was a clearly dynastic conflict over the succession of an empire where the loser's follower decides to make a religion out of their cause"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nThey have tons of stories about them. And their nahj al balagha is attributed to Ali.\n>>11\nThe original title was Khalifat Allah. The vice regent of God. It was the Abbasids who started used Khalifat Rasul Allah. At any rate Sunni \"history\" is literal cope and made in a way where they stress that you're not supposed to think about early islamic history and cast judgement on the figures involved."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nSo is determining the primacy of bishops political or religious? You cant separate politics and religion. Its a modern concept"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThe issue is I cannot even discern any authentic human personality to Ali or Husayn. Muhammad has a quite colourful personality, he is clearly a real and well-attested person, but Ali is a generic blank slate as far as I can tell. If you have some sort of authentic text that would change my mind then I'd be interested, but the Shia imams just seem really boring to me as it is. I am not interested in obvious propaganda narratives about saving cats from trees and curing cancer."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nthe biggest schism in christianity was the reformation and it was purely spiritual thing about salvation and worship"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nBy definition, Muslims don't worship Muhammadﷺ or his writings"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\n>there isn't really much to Ali himself\nWell there onviously must have been otherwise he wouldnt have gotten his followers and there wouldnt have been a religion"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nWell there are tons of biographies out there including ones in english"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n>Ali is a generic blank slate as far as I can tell\nThe Hadiths are chockful of the tension between Ali and the other companions"}, {"id": 23, "content": "This OP. Now come frens. Of course you must let the fuhrer take control\n\n>Who is of me &\n\n>This must have its actual poof."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whites have Germanic, Greek, Christian, Latin, Celtic and Slavic names.\n\nGermanic: William, Louis, Robert, Charles, Chadwick, Richard, Alfred, Roland, Harold, Herbert, Roderick, Oswald, Edward, Edgar, Edwin, Edmund, Frederick, Adolf, Gunther, Hermann, Heinrich, Olaf, Sven, Eric, Ronald, etc.\n\nGreek: George, Philip, Alexander, Leon, Peter, Jason, Andrew, Ajax, Nicholas, Jerome, Evander, Hector, Homer, Eugene, Atticus, Stephen, etc.\n\nChristian: John, Gabriel, Michael, Matthew, Thomas, Christian, Christopher, Simon, Paul, Adam, Lucas, Samuel, Ethan, Nathaniel, Elijah, David, Solomon, Daniel, James, Joel, Jonah, Joshua, Felix, Eli, Joshua, Asher, Zachariah, etc.\n\nLatin: Julius, Constantine, Mark, Miles, Sebastian, Roman, Dominic, Julian, Oliver, Adrian, Magnus, Maxwell, Aurelian, Anthony, etc.\n\nCeltic: Arthur, Donald, Duncan, Dylan, Desmond, Owen, Allen, Angus, Malcolm, Tyrone, Brian, Connor, Cormac, Clyde, Shaun, Sheamus, Farrell, Gregor, Fergus, Ewan, Ian, etc.\n\nSlavic: Ivan, Vladimir, Vasili, Dimitri, Wenzel, Mirko, Laszlo, Igor, Oleg, Casimir, Wladyslaw, Boris, Dusan, Yaroslav, Radu, Zawisza, etc."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy name's Jenson and I'm a 6'4 anglo god"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTough break for Baltoids and Basques"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All history can be understood in the framework of jew war. There is the system preserving side and the opposing side.\n>two native American tribes fight each other. Where's the class war?\nEurope created all the native tribes. There is not a single civ in history that existed before the judeo-liberal world order created it. I am using the \"true hebrews\" understanding that civilization emerged in east Africa, by jews, and sumerian-dravidian-egyptian civilizations which created modern jews are part of this axis.\nConflicts between apparently horizontal powers, like England and Spain, are actually competition between who is the system side. This actually isn't a major issue and England was always the side. Even in Roman times English provinces held up the empire and celts mined for the bronze age. There hasn't been any real change in the center of global power since Alexander. Celtic foreign aid created Greece in 5th bc, and Greek civilization in turn comes from Persians who came from jews. There is a fairly contiguous line from olduvai to Persia to England in terms of where jews went.\nThis jew side vs everyone else is the sides in every war."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This jew side vs everyone else is the sides in every war.\nWhich side were the Jews on for the Mongol invasion of China?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nJews were actually on the Chinese side and lived in China since the Assyria exile, and Mongols were the destroyer side until jews infiltrated. Jews can lose and then win, just like nazis surrendered then took over the postwar institutions (with jews).\nOnly Mayan or some irrelevant civs might fall outside and they were destroyed quickly on contact by jews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was their economy open or closed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSerfdom never existed. There were no drivers licenses or any way to identify people and build a system around.\nTaxes were donations. Nobody can find a eviction before 2015.\nCops didn't exist and all economic history before the 20th century is fake, and everything was free."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Everything you can have today but you get to be retarded isn't that cool?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do christians hate abortion but love murder?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDeath penalty isn’t murder. Abortion is. Simple as."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe dont hate abortions, american christians do"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Removing a parasite from a host is murder\n>murdering a victim of circumstance isn't murder"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery simple. A baby has committed no crimes, has not been found guilty of any by a jury of peers, and has not been sentenced to death by a judge. A death row convict has."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmajority of Christians don't love death penalty. It was simply unnecessary evil and the last option.\n>but canon law permits such act\nBecause, execution was already permitted in human law. God spoke to his own people in the terms they already understood, and as long as they didnt aent against God directly God permitted many actions. But even in implementation of Old Testament law, per Josephus if i remember correctly, we see that execution was seen as last option. Execution is permitted in certain situations not because God wants us to be blood-thirsty vagabonds but because this was a legal punihsment for offenses and God permitted it. This is the conflict between the mercy and justice, if you act merciful against the murderer you will neglect the mercy because you will permit him to be a murderer without going unpunished. This is a sad reality.\nBabies are not criminals in opposite.\n>>4\nthe what now?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Go in unto thy brothers wife and sleep with her as your brotherly duty permits"}, {"id": 2, "content": "how many times are you going to spam this same exact thread?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhen you do it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "From the perspective of Buddhism, is it wrong to euthanize a suffering pet? Does their degree of suffering matter?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "all suffering is due to craving, try to teach the pet this concept using bells and treats"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe degree absolutely matters, but more so, your own intent is what matters. By that, the intent has to come from true selfless motives and not motives based upon misunderstanding of agency, suffering, etc. In the context of Buddhist ethical principles, you must have a clear conscience about the nature of self, the nature of suffering, and the karma/intent.\n\nSo unless you have a Buddha-like understanding of the world, killing is not a good thing, there maybe a \"lesser\" degree of karma but its still bad/mal intent arising from ignorance even for the nominal \"good\" like euthanization of a pet due to old age/disease/suffering from bodily pain/damages."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>imagine a bald Chinese guy trying to convince his cancer-ridden dog that he is merely craving\nYou guys are even cookier than a southern grandma."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThis raises a question that interested me. What is the Buddhist position on living beings that seem inherently incapable of achieving enlightenment, which is everything but humans? From that point, what makes humans unique in this case? If animals are clearly incapable of it, why should I believe that humans are capable? If animals are capable, does this imply there are spider buddhas in my walls?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\npt2\n\nYou argue that its cruel/unfair situation, but really the situation stems from a cruel and unsual samsara world that we live in. Thats why its absolutely critical to gain insights/practice daily mental cultivation to gain clarity on all actions you do and to take control of future events that dont lead to these types of conumdrum to begin with."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>The degree absolutely matters,\nWhat if your pet has a mass in it's chest that is causing difficulty breathing (flaring nostrils, heaving chest, sometimes entire body moving with each breath) but is still capable of playing and plays in spite of the suffering? If the degree matters, then what degree is that? Should you wait until they're unable to sleep or move, barely able to squeeze a breath in?\n\n>>6\n>take control of future events that dont lead to these types of conumdrum to begin with.\nYou mean to basically not love anything that will die before you, right? Because I don't see how else it could be avoided."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>You mean to basically not love anything that will die before you, right? Because I don't see how else it could be avoided.\nThere's nominal love born from selfish desires, selfish understanding of the world and there is universal love which is bourne out of selfless desires and selfless understanding of the world. The difference is in the selfish understanding of the world, you believe there's a bounded agent that is acting against another bounded agent. In a selfless understanding of the world, there are no agents involved but rather living beings without boundaries of any kind, and no that doesn't mean there is a bounded boundless agent like God. The difference is critical in understanding Buddhism AND practicing Buddhism.\n\n>If the degree matters, then what degree is that?\nThe ultimate key metric is whether or not it helps you to become enlightened faster or not. Also known as \"kusala\" (helpful) and \"akusala\" (unhelpful). As for the specifics of an event, its hard to say because each event differs, but the general rule of thumb is to minimize harm to yourself and to others. Suppose you have person A raping women and a person B who has sex with his prostitutes. Do you think there's a difference in harm being caused? The acts are same, but the difference is intent and the harm caused. In your example, you have a dog thats severely injured and you see them in constant pain. Alternatively, you have a dog thats been beaten/brused/harmed in a dog fight and its owners wants to put them down because they dont bring profit. 2nd alternative is a dog thats severely injured due to owner neglect of not providing a safe shelter, not having a proper backyard, an owner that does has taken many wrong turns in life and thus lives in a poor/violent neighborhood where his dog that he \"loves\" is injured and now can't pay to save the dog, so he chooses to put the dog down.\n\nThere are degrees to euthanasia."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Everyone knows head binding was a thing. Nobody is refuting a lot of skulls of normal cranial expansion via said manipulation was an historical fact across many cultures.\n\nBut there are literally verified skulls which are naturally elongated. Both with the highest concentrations in South America and the Caucasus.\n\nThe sheer size and expansion of these skulls could not be done at all via normal homo sapiens sapiens.\n\nI personally believe these people were a type of Denisovan remnant and several cultures saw them and emulated their head shape via cranial deformation which is why is south America you get natural humans with artificial elongated skulls and the larger natural elongated skulls. Clearly the natural ones were some sort of higher caste in some regions."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is your expertise in this topic? And per the pinned post, cite a source on this \"big headed skulls\"."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\nWhat do you think this is? reddit? you pompous twat. Go back to /r/history."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>But there are literally verified skulls which are naturally elongated. Both with the highest concentrations in South America and the Caucasus.\nPost them faggot.\n>The sheer size and expansion of these skulls could not be done at all via normal homo sapiens sapiens.\nProvide a source. I accept shit on the level of Pleiades library but you have to at least throw me a bone of where to find these specifimens.\n>I personally believe these people were a type of Denisovan remnant and several cultures saw them and emulated their head shape via cranial deformation which is why is south America you get natural humans with artificial elongated skulls and the larger natural elongated skulls. Clearly the natural ones were some sort of higher caste in some regions.\nWe have no reason to assume Denisovans had freakishly elongated skulls, why do you think they did and wy do you think they'd have taken over homo sapiens cultures?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI'm interested in what you have to say E-schizo man but you should at least come up with something o I can keep reading."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAnd I know you have sources.\nYou just won't provide them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Genetic closeness of a Hunnic woman, with elongated skull, from 500 AD Bavaria to modern day West Eurasian populations"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Huns are related to Turks and Tatars\nWow shocking"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUh oh… do much for the primitive Turks meme"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the hell is happening in that random part of Pontus?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nTatars, biatch"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nwhich one\nthe non-turk anatolia is pontic greeks. The crimean one is tatars"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Hot. Tatar women are beautiful, I didn't think Hunnic women are pretty until this thread, thanks anon"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWell Huns deformed their heads artificially"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And the feeling that they should be held to a higher moral standard?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did people even risk their lives to defend this meme country during the Winter War?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't need much of a cause to fight Judeo-bolshevism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe because they're actually a non-meme country going against a meme 'paper-tiger' country?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>not a meme country\n>Finnish prehistory ends in the 1200s"}, {"id": 5, "content": "basically russia had ruled finland and the Bolsheviks gave them freedom from russia, so when the return of russian rule suddenly became a reality, they fought to avoid it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Finnish prehistory ends in the 1200s\nAccording to \"fenno\"swedes in (((Museovirasto)))"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nFinns had it great under Russian rule until Nick 2"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's rarely mentioned is that the Finnish government killed crazy numbers of dissidents who didn't want to go, meaning that most of the troops were marched to the front at gun point. The genuine supporters of the republic came mostly from landowners."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nBesides who the fuck cares Finland is more prosperous than the countries of people coping about Finland"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBug mindset. There is no country, no people that is in a more shameful state than Finland. People still think that Swedish colonization was almost like an agreement between bros. Who gives a fuck about prosperity if there's no civilization, no attempt to give life meaning, nothing to talk about, just an endless chain of morons reproducing to infinity."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBENIS XDDD"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nDo some basic research on the hyperwar you history illiterate fucktard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which one does /his/ consider more Roman?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Both are hecking valid and true"}, {"id": 3, "content": "HRE's legitimacy relies on byzantine legitimacy because the pope only recognized Charlemagne because Irene was emperor and girls can't be emperor and even after she was gone Charlemagne asked the Byzantines to recognize him as Emperor. In fact a lot of \"Successor of Rome\" narratives rely on the Byzantines being Roman. No way around that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is only one final Roman successor"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtleast HRE is called HOLY roman, not just roman, so their larp is more honest."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor me it's Rum"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Sultanate of Rum."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nThe emperor in Constantinople is recognized as Roman emperor by the West only up until Constantine VI, not afterwards. Catholic didn't believe that Alexios Komnenos was a legitimate emperor of the Romans."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt cracks me up when interviewers ask the same question to Anthony Kaldellis and he answers like:\n>I find it a non-productive topic, which kind of interest does it have to our field to put one state over the other?\nThen he would go on for like 30 minutes non-stop on why Byzantium is Rome and HRE is a pathetic LARP"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbyzantium, they drifted from being 'Roman' over the years but it was 'the ship of theseus' they started out definitely roman and lost the roman character only slowly over time.\n\nthe HRE started as a larp and never got closer being famously 'neither holy, nor roman nor an empire' for most of its time"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>control Rome\n>control Italy\n>first defender of Christianity and european civilization\n>leading center of learning, chivalry and culture throughout its existance\n>emperor is literally crowned by the Pope himself\nSorry Chrisianopopuloius Angeloiities, but there really was only one true successor state of the Roman Empire and no amount of seething will change that"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe HRE was Holy, Roman, and an Empire. Stop citing French pedophilic communists to back up your rapid anti-Germanism you fucking dog."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Byzantium was literally the Eastern Roman Empire. It is a direct continuity of it. The HRE can at best be described as an attempted successor state that never really established itself as a true empire."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>control Rome\nSo did various Barbarians at different points in time, it didn't make them Roman emperors.\n>control Italy\nSee above.\n>first defender of Christianity and european civilization\nThat is Byzantium, literally a Christian bulkwark against the endless Muslim hordes of Turks and Arabs since the 7th century, before any incarnation of the HRE existed.\n>leading center of learning, chivalry and culture throughout its existance\nlol no, not even close\n>emperor is literally crowned by the Pope himself\nByzantine emperors are also crowned by an important bishop, but this has nothing to with historical legitimacy, as the vast majority of Roman emperors were never crowned by any sort of Christian priest."}, {"id": 15, "content": "The Ottoman Empire"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>>control Rome\nlol Rome was under the popes except for the ones exiled to Avignon. HRE emperors never had sway over the pope like the byzantines did until the 8th century, literally deposing many of them"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nwell said"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nThese but unironically\nkino af"}, {"id": 19, "content": "The Holy Roman Empire is the spiritual successor to the Western Roman Empire except the former outlasted the latter.\n> decentralized with weak emperor, so less self destructive empire wide wars for the throne\n> less wealth taken from one part of the empire to build big projects on a farway different part, thus less resentment on the part of the former\n> Roman Catholic Church was a uniting factor until the Protestants fucked it up"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe order of legitimacy is:\nRoman -> Eastern Roman (~476) -> Byzantine -> Ottoman"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n\"Ottomans\". Sure, a bunch of murdering heathens is the legitimate successor to Rome."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\n>Eastern Roman Empire\nIt already wasn't roman when Theodosius established it, in fact, even the roman empire itself had been greekifying for a long time."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>a bunch of murdering heathens is the legitimate successor to Rome.\nbut enough about byzantines"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\n>that never really established itself as a true empire\nThe empire and its emperor were extremely relevant for almost the entire medieval period. It's really just post-Protestantism that it became the Voltaire meme"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>7\n>>6\nYou mean Finlandia"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\nIslamic empire no matter how you see it"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>when Theodosius established it,\nYou retarded nigger, the \"East\" as a concept and administration zone had already existed multiple times before Theodosius, he didn't establish shit.\n>it already wasn't Roman\n>even the roman empire itself had been greekifying for a long time.\nIn every fundamental way aside from language, the East was completely Roman, and even then, Greek was pretty much recognised as the second language of the people."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>10\n>they started out definitely roman and lost the roman character only slowly over time.\n>lost the Roman character\nwhat?\n>identified themselves Romans\n>followed Roman law\n>kept a sense of political participation\n>continued court ceremonies and traditions\n>continued triumphs\n>continued games and studying of classics and histories\nThe evolution of Roman character in the East does not mean they stop being Roman you mongrel"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat kind of retarded question is this? Constantinople was the second Rome for centuries."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Daley machine's multi-decade stranglehold on Chicago politics was momentarily shaken over a scandal concerning the Windy City's inept handling of a major snow blizzard in January 1979 that left the city paralyzed. At the time the mayor's seat was occupied by Mike Bilandic, appointed by the Board of Supervisors to succeed Richard Daley, who died in 1976 after two decades in office. Bilandic was unpopular as a result of \"Blizzardgate\" and this allowed Byrne, the city's commerce commissioner, to win unexpectedly. Byrne won a record 82% of the vote when the election was held on April 3, the biggest margin a Chicago mayor has ever been elected by, and was helped by crossover Republican voters and the endorsement of civil rights leader Jesse Jackson.\n\nByrne became the second ever female to lead a major American city after Dianne Feinstein had succeeded the slain George Moscone as San Francisco mayor five months earlier. She endorsed LGBT rights by ending police harrassment of gay bars and nightclubs, and held the first Gay Pride Day celebration in Chicago. She also appointed a black woman, Ruth Love, to school superindentant, and replaced Daley crony James O'Grady, who had resigned after she was elected, with Sam Nolan, the first black commissioner of police in the city. She also actively promoted the performing arts in the city; most notably inviting the production team of \"The Blues Brothers\" to shoot the movie there."}, {"id": 2, "content": "She endorsed gun control in the city and registering of firearms. This move was unpopular and may have contributed to her reelection defeat, but the handgun restrictions she passed remained in effect until 2010 when the Supreme Court overturned them in McDonald v. City of Chicago.\n\nByrne attempted to tackle crime and draw attention to it by moving into the high crime Cabrini-Green housing project in north Chicago for three months in 1981 (with heavy security) and she also shut down a number of liquor stores used as fronts for African-American gangbangers, and ordered the Housing Authority to evict tenants suspected of warehousing gangbangers in their apartments.\n\nIn November 1981, local celebrity and stuntman Dan Goodwin, who had scaled the side of the Sears Tower six months earlier, attempted to climb the John Hancock Center. The fire department tried to prevent this by spraying high pressure water hoses at him but Byrne told them to stand down and allowed Goodwin to complete his climb to the top of the building.\n\nDuring the 1980 presidential election, Byrne and the city council endorsed Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy for president but he was easily beaten in the primaries and did not pose a serious challenge to President Carter, who was renominated at the DNC in Chicago that summer. Especially given Chicago's importance in the election of Senator Kennedy's brother to the White House two decades earlier, this was an embarrassing debacle for Byrne and her and Kennedy were booed at the city's annual St. Patrick's Day Parade."}, {"id": 3, "content": "By 1981, progressives accused the mayor of \"selling out\" and being too willing to compromise with Daley cronies in the city council as she replaced some of her initial African-American appointees with white ones. She was soundly defeated for reelection in April 1983 by Harold Washington, the city's first African-American mayor. She ran against Washington again in 1987 and was defeated in the primaries.\n\nA 1993 survey of historians, political scientists and urban experts conducted by Melvin Holli of the University of Illinois saw Byrne, who passed away in 2014 at the age of 81, ranked as the tenth-worst American big city mayor to serve between the years 1820 and 1993. When the survey was limited only to mayors that were in office post-1960, the results saw Byrne ranked the fourth worst."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nNever let liberal white women run anything. Ever. That said by modern standards she wasn't that bad. At least she did acknowledge crime as a problem and tried a little bit to curb it when you consider what is happening in Shitcago now."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can tell some boomer really really didn't like her because her Wikipedia page has just about the most unattractive picture of her they could find."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Only a little over a month after Byrne was elected mayor, Chicago was hit by one of the worst disasters in its history when American Airlines Flight 191 crashed shortly after takeoff at O'Grady International Airport, killing all 221 persons aboard. The mayor went to view the crash site, which she referred as \"the most horrible thing I've ever seen\" but police had to discourage her from it as she was wearing open-toed sandals that would have been unsuitable footwear for walking in the debris-strewn field."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nso inspired by Sister Dianne that she wanted to turn Chi-Town into San Francisco"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Byrne became the second ever female to lead a major American city after Dianne Feinstein had succeeded the slain George Moscone as San Francisco mayor five months earlier\nYou almost wish you had them back considering what's running both cities now."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Especially given Chicago's importance in the election of Senator Kennedy's brother to the White House two decades earlier\nIn more ways than one."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>but police had to discourage her from it as she was wearing open-toed sandals that would have been unsuitable footwear for walking in the debris-strewn field\nwoman moment"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nO'Hare International Airport, ya dummy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nnever think you've seen the worst it can get because it can and will always get worse"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nThe murder rate was higher under their roof compare to now."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the best books on the Einsatzgruppen, Gestapo, SS, SA, and other such governmental-militarial formations of the NSDAP during WWII?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Ordinary men\" by Christopher browning"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tokarev pistol\n>blurred background\n>photo cropped so the grave can appear larger than it is\nSoviets were not that good at propaganda huh"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey were extremely good they somehow convinced the whole world something that didn't happen happen for generations to come"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI don't care about npc opinions desu, everyone thats not a natural slave already knows the truth"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe non npcs seem to be unable to leverage their knowledge towards any kind of power"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhat like the jewish run governments that pretend the holocaust is real because israel is a socialist zionist country whose foundational myth is about their fight for labor and how the nazis made them work and how evil that was?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAn exception then, jews seems like the ubermensch being able to dominate everyone else"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nI don't think you'd want to be put in a gulag for being bourgeois or right wing, so your point is a little retarded."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nRather Jewish belief systems were adopted to benefit Democrat globalism and to use them as a base of operations to wage proxy wars against the soviet union"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy don't the allies have pics of themselves shooting innocent Europeans then throwing them into a pit full of Europeans ?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nThat's not a tokarev pistol."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nMight makes right, cuck."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nLooks like a Walther PP, which was standard issue in the Wehrmacht. But definitely not a tokarev"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>jewish run governments\n>Loses 2.5 million jews\nWhat"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nhuh? jews flooded to the US before, during and after the war. Where do you think all the jews came from that are in the US? the leaders of the civk righhts movement were jews, but not because of niggers, but because they wanted to remove restrictions of disgusting eastern european jew immigration"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\n>anti-german german propagandist\noh I'm sure that's a wonderful read"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nOh of course he's a jew so anti german is redundant"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\nThis is incorrect. Internet deniers don't know much about WW2 or history in general. The Soviets weren't the ones who came up with these stories. They mostly came from Jews and Poles. Pretty much all early reports are from Poles or Polish Jews."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>The Soviets weren't the ones who came up with these stories. They mostly came from Jews\nNigger where do you think all the Jews were living"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nMostly in Poland. All the extermination camps except Auschwitz were in Eastern Poland."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Mostly in Poland.\nNo"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>no\nYes. There were more Jews in Poland than in any other country."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\npoland had the most jews of any non communist country =/= soviets didn't have more jews\n\nfucking moron"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNo. Poland had the most Jews of any country in the world. I think even more than the United States. There were more than 3 million Jews in Poland and around 2.5 million Jews in the Soviet Union. Mostly in the West, in Ukrainian and Belarusian SSRs."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Poland had the most Jews of any country in the world\n=/= there weren't more jews in soviet territory\nif you didn't know the soviets existed\n\nthis is the kind of blatant retardation that can be expected out of holocaust shills"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\n>>3\npoltranny cope"}, {"id": 28, "content": "https://imgur.com/a/AubwH"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Get fucked Voltairechuds, it was HOLY, ROMAN, and an EMPIRE. And it was beautiful!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Voltairebros..."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProof?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHoly\nRuled by the imperial defender of catholic christendom\n\nRoman\nThe empire is a continuation of old Rome, as endorsed by the Supreme Pontiff, the head of religion in the old Roman Empire\n\nEmpire\nThe dominion contained subjects of various cultures, was large in scale, and had at least one kingdom subservient to the imperial crown. By all counts, it was an empire."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Any more questions? Or does /his/ agree with me?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit was better times"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased.\nThe HRE was the best thing to happen to Europe between the fall of Rome and the end of Napoleon"}, {"id": 8, "content": "I agree because it makes wopentines mad"}, {"id": 9, "content": "If it's ruled by an emperor (in theory), then it's an empire.\nThe leader of the HRE was an emperor, therefore the HRE was an empire.\nsimple as"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>defender of catholic christendom\nand lets see who most of their foes were, oh other catholic christians, including often times the pope, so we can cross that off\n>endorsed by the Supreme Pontiff\nwho has never had any authority to declare the emperor, in fact the Pope used to be subservient to the Emperors of Rome before getting cut off, and then when you considered the idea of a German as Emperor would make any roman either laugh or look at you with disgust we can also cross out the Roman part\n>subservient king\nat best only strong emperors kept them in line, then you have to consider said kings were the ones who chose the emperor and the massive freedoms they had compared to any other actual empire we can also cross out empire part, it appears you have a 0/3 for all claims"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>and lets see who most of their foes were, oh other catholic christians, including often times the pope, so we can cross that off\nYou dumb fuck, what about the crusades, and the wars against the turks?\n>who has never had any authority to declare the emperor, in fact the Pope used to be subservient to the Emperors of Rome before getting cut off, and then when you considered the idea of a German as Emperor would make any roman either laugh or look at you with disgust we can also cross out the Roman part\nBro, the Catholic Church was the only true carryover from the old empire. If anyone had the authority to definitively say \"yeah, this is the empire again\" it would be them.\n>at best only strong emperors kept them in line, then you have to consider said kings were the ones who chose the emperor and the massive freedoms they had compared to any other actual empire we can also cross out empire part, it appears you have a 0/3 for all claims\nA strong emperor isn't what we're defining here, it's \"empire\". It was an empire."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNTA but\n>You dumb fuck, what about the crusades, and the wars against the turks?\nThey did not make up most of their conflicts\n>the Catholic Church was the only true carryover from the old empire.\n>muh old empire\nThe fucking East was the literal empire, with all of its institutions, customs and laws.\n>If anyone had the authority to definitively say \"yeah, this is the empire again\" it would be them.\nOne uppity Patriarch, who was intended to be equal to all the other bishops of the holiest cities in Christendom, and who had to literally forge a document to try and give his actions legitimacy, is not the guy.\n>it's \"empire\". It was an empire.\nThat I can agree with, as well as it being Holy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did southern slave-owners had sex with their property?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Basketball Americans have about 20% of their DNA from white sources on average."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome sure did"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose bucks aren’t gonna break themselves."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's reason why african-americans looks vastly different than your average black african natives."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wanna kiss her thighs desu"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, even the bucks."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlantation owners surely wouldn’t betray their race by fooling around with house servant girls (who were picked to the job for their look… ehh, skills), right…?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit pisses me off how airbrushed she is compared to the detail the eg wood grain has. very jarring!"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Yes it's called buck breaking."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you ask?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>considers black people to be subhuman\n>still fucks them anyway to the point that African Americans are 20-25% white\n\nEither it was just cope and they knew deep down that they were enslaving human beings, or slave owners by their own logic are degenerates who fuck animals."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n\nhes probably just asking for a friend"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nthey had a variety of rationalizations for it that didn't necessitate equating them to animals. some would've embraced polygenism to argue blacks and whites had entirely different origins to justify their supposed inferiority. some would've used the old curse of ham, while some would've argued the institution was necessary to \"civilize\" blacks."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\n>Yes. Basketball Americans have about 20% of their DNA from white sources on average.\nUnironically this, white man's animal-like behaviour and lack of self-control contributed to make modern black american men the appex of masculinity:\n\n>survival of the fittest slaves during the travel and labour, the strongest survived\n>slavemasters raped slave women, diluting the overly harsh negroid features\n\nNow we have 80% SSA / 20% North Euro gigablack american men who are stronger than black africans, have naturally bigger dicks than white men just like black africans do, but have better jawlines, sometimes coloured eyes, etc.\n\nWhite male rapists basically created the ultimate bulls to breed white females. You will rarely find a black african who looks like picrel, but every other basketball Tyrone looks like this."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course. Southern belles couldn't resist the BBC and snuck off to the slave quarters whenever their husbands and fathers weren't looking."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\n>vastly different\nThey're not vastly different though, many like Leslie Jones, Eddie Murphy and Don Cheadle look very recognizably black, even with their non-black blood.\n\nThe issue here is that americans keep pushing non-black turbo mutts like Alicia Keys and Zendaya as black, because of white racism (one-drop rule) and the fact black men hate black women, but love mulatto women and want to claim them, I've noticed this even as a young african lad, majority of african-american movies feature a black or mostly black man and an obviously very mixed \"black\" female love interest."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt’s funny you say this because blacks are having a huge debate about this. Many black women believe they are replaced in the media by biracials who are cast as black women and blame black men (and white guys too I guess) for this. They think the 1 drop rule is outdated. However, many African Americans are against this discussion as they believe it’s an attack on them as many African Americans look biracial despite having 2 AA parents (Vanessa Williams etc). They say this is a conspiracy started up by African immigrants living in the US to replace African American women on TV with African immigrants instead such as Lupita. They argue about it all the time on their forums."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThere are black women forums? Do they take white boys??"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYes. They have sections dedicated to gushing over white men and get very upset when you tell them that most white men are into black ladies. Every other user slyly brags about their white boyfriends lol here’s some links:\nhttps://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/what-do-you-like-a-about-white-men.5194763/ (A thread dedicated to salivating over white men)\nhttps://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/biracial-women-and-black-women-are-not-competing-for-the-same-white-men.5215838/ (Black women vs biracial women fighting over white men)\nhttps://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/balkan-men-albania-serbia-bosnia-croatia-kosovo.2047161/ (Gushing over Eastern European men)\nJust take a scroll and read for yourself. They love white guys."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n*are NOT into black ladies"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\n>Serena Williams is 5'9 and muscular\n>Alexis Ohanian is 6'5\n\nIf they have children, they're going to dominate sports and/or the tech world."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nA real man knows a real woman when he sees her"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n>black men hate black women\n\nThis is overblown. The vast majority of black men will either marry or impregnate black women, the people who do the most interracial mixing are non-white Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, and Jewish Americans. That being said, there is a strong colorism bias among many Black Americans where light brown skin is deemed better/prettier than dark brown skin, as well as having curly instead of kinky-curly hair and thinner, pointy noses. White Americans also subconsciously or actively have this bias too, which is why light skinned or mixed race African Americans often get acting jobs way more, especially if they're women."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nhave you heard of SYSBM or divestors? AA’s are breeding themselves out"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>>21\nI've told you this before. Going on femcel forums doesn't represent the wider populations opinions. Black Males are responsible for the mongrelization crisis going on more so than black women. Black Women have been so thoroughly masculinized by western media for the last few generations that no group generally wants them besides Black Men. Looking at dating statistics, Black women respond the most to Black men and the least to whites. While Black men respond to the most to Latinas and Whites."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI'm a white man and I want them"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nin general people are mostly attracted to other races"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>5\n>>18\nAfricans look vastly different from each other, Black americans have a more diverse features and skin tones even not accounting racial admixture, I'm more lighter skin than my older sibling who is darker despite having the same two parents.\n\nWe're different genetically away from Africans as they are different genetically from each other. Phenotype doesn't mean genetic similarity. DRs and Brazil have a more muttish phenotype but even alot Black ones looks no different from Black americans, that's also not stating they have more indito and Med dna which also has nafari as well.\n\n\n>Black men hate Black women\n\nCan this meme die, a few coons doing some dating survey from women on YT doesn't mean they hate Black women, Black men overall sex outside their race less than any minority and both groups are more loyal to each other."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nhuh? black women respond to white men MORE than they respond to black men.\nhttps://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520293458/the-dating-divide\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zAJcq3qMfds [Embed]\n>The author found that race is the biggest dealbreaker in online dating. Within this online dating study, it was found that white men are the most desired as all women (of all races) preferences were strongest for white men. Gay men (except black gay men) preferred white men. On the other hand, white men preferred women of their own race first.\n\nBlack women want white men, these men don’t want them. LSA women can be cringey but they’re not complete femcels. Everyone desires white men/women, I’m not sure why people think black women are different. Even black lesbians prefer white women."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\n>They say this is a conspiracy started up by African immigrants living in the US to replace African American women on TV with African immigrants instead such as Lupita.\n\nThere has been a conspiracy to have tether africans play BA roles, this is despite Carribs being here longer and more numerous than apefricans, Jamaicans alone is more numerous than most apefrican groups including niggerians.\n\nSo they have some merit.\n\nI don't get the idea of seeing more biracials in the media it's the opposite, I see alot normal dark skin ones, the only thing I do see is alot of apefrican more than carribs in media and I don't like that, they can't act, they're ugly and contribute less compare to Carribs at least."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">web dating\nmostly post-prime women looking for a betabuxx after riding the cock carousel. asian women outperform white women in webdating data lel\n\nyoung people in their prime meet their sexual partners going to parties, black men and white women dominate their sexual markets"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>13\nhe's asking on behalf of a relative.\nThomas himself didn't dip into the black ink."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n?\nWhat does this have to do with my point about black women liking white men? I support interracial relationships for AA’s. Interracial relationships = mutt kid who dates white = less AA’s. You’re not owning me kek you’re helping me if anything"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>27\n>Black men respond to the most to Latinas and Whites.\nthose are indeed the most attractive races of females in america, black american men have good taste\n\n>white women > latinxs > asian women > black women\n>black men > latinxs (puerto rico, cuba, brazil types) > white guys > latinxs (mexico types) > asian men"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nMore like less whites, Blacks have a strong cultural identity in the U.S and I doubt anybody accepts whiter mutts as white. I really wonder if the white population in the US can really handle getting chipped away through Asian, Hispanic, and Black intermarriage all at the same time? Either the standards for white will be lowered to the South American standard or they'll be drastically less American Whites in the near future."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n3/4 white is white. AA’s are only 13% and that’s counting biracials. People are starting to move away from the 1 drop rule and identify as multiracial on censuses which is what matters. I don’t care about whites being replaced either. It is possible to dislike you both."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>unknown\n>One opinion book that no one on this thread tdlr\n>One shitty zoom discussion from some cali lib on YT.\n>female at that\nWeren't you the ones posting those outdated dating stats from 011 about all races other than Black sticking with White men now you change the script from some shitlib Anecdotal evidence cherry pick experiences, I bet you didn't watch it or read it yourself just took synopsis of it and use that as facts since it cater to your narrative."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>US can really handle getting chipped away through Asian, Hispanic, and Black intermarriage all at the same time\nthey can't, they don't have the numbers AND white genes are very weak"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nYou're hispanic, see I always consider you worse(not as worse as apefricans) due to how your race system works I would be consider pardo or brown in mexico and brazil, the last thing we need is more divisive shit. Support the one drop rule cause it bring Mullatos and white passing Blacks in our fold and it bring whites into a corner."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nThe video is her discussing the study she undertook you ESL retard. You argue with so many people that you’re now mixing me up with someone else. My point was that black women are no different to asian and latino women and prefer white men just like them. If the shitlib’s study said black woken prefer black men you’d be parading it around, I thought your women were race loyal? Kek it’s nice to see that the AA men in the comments of the video aren’t retards like you. I hope this study motivates them to date non-AA women. Speaking of Cali…why do the AA’s there always date interracially? They would rather date SEAmonkeys than each other kek. Again, I’m glad they’re not dating each other and am enjoying watching your kind be replaced."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\n>3/4 white is white."}, {"id": 44, "content": "The most common pairing out in the Southwest is white guys with latinas. There is a whole generation of Mexican and White mixtures who are just growing in numbers. When the whites and Mexicans all fully merge into one massive population, it will be the dominant social group for most of the country. The Latinos can just keep pouring in through the border and whites can easily become absorbed into their culture and community and form mixed right wing conservative kids. This is already the norm in many parts of California."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nNot a spic either. Black women are rising up against the 1 drop rule and pushing biracials away. Go be mad at them, not me. Biracials date white for a reason. They’re taking heed from their AA parent and getting rid of their blackness and helping make your claim to reparations weaker. God bless them."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nDo you think this mutt ticks AA on a census? Or multiracial?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI sincerely think that most men, in that position, would not be able to help themselves. Maybe if they had a wife and responsibilities, but if no one would know?\nHerodotus says that you should save and buy a slave as soon as possible, and to buy a woman so that you can fuck her - basically - and avoid temptation until you meet a good wife."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>29\n>>33\n>>36\nReminder to all BBC fetishists that there are way more black incels per capita than white ones."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nblack men also have both sex than whitebois per capita\n\nno one cares about urkel is at home playing madden, what matters is his brother tyrone going balls deep inside prime white sisters"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>42\n>The video is her discussing the study she undertook you ESL retard\nYes, that's what I stated. Why are on my nuts with the way I type on this website. You act like some middle age bong tutor gettimg triggered, cause I didn't put comma in certain spot or god forbib run off sentences.\n\nYou never do this with other actual esl anons and anons all of sudden pointing out misplace grammar as some kind of own against an argument.\n\n>You argue with so many people that you’re now mixing me up with someone else.\n\nYou're the one that you me, so you started this argument.\n\n> My point was that black women are no different to asian and latino women and prefer white men just like them.\n\nNot in higher numbers with all those copydating stats you parade as sexual own stating opposite. Now you're gonna disregard them in attempt to take Black women as well?\n\n> If the shitlib’s study said black woken prefer black men you’d be parading it around, I thought your women were race loyal?\n\nLike you been parading okcupid stats, like you with this irrelevant femoid, which you have yet to break down what she said or where she get her research or methodology from?\n\nAgain I bet you even watched it, you saw that it might imply Black women left swipe white men more and just went with it.\n\n>I hope this study motivates them to date non-AA women.\n\nYep you're brown, no way whitoid in his insecurity would say that unless he's a cuck.\n\n>Speaking of Cali…why do the AA’s there always date interracially?\n\nCause they always been a minority I mean not always til the 60s when Black americans stupidly marched for their own destruction.\n\n>Again, I’m glad they’re not dating each other and am enjoying watching your kind be replaced.\n\nWe will never be replace, the Black american will not perish from the earth, Whites tried jim crow, gang violence and jailing other ethnocide tactics but we're still the same aside from a few hiccups like dirty nigger africans and Carribs being 1/10."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>45\nIf you're not white, brown or asian, you either a jew or a tether."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nWhites policies to harm black has lower their demographics, and with Cuckservatives banning abortion the Black american will increase."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nyou will never be black, loser"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>you didn't even"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>19\nWoman is the nigger of the world. Black women are like, nigger squared by this logic."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>18\n>Don Cheadle\n\nFun fact: Tyra Banks is slightly less European than Don Cheadle genetically."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>36\nLatino isn't a race. 25% of Latinos in the USA are of African descent.\n\nhttps://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2021/02/afro-latinos-shaping-the-american-story/"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>26\nAA numbers have been steady since the 1970s"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>43\nThis man is half Cameroonian, who are you trying to fool?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nI would say why would women willing contaminated themselves with filthy lanklet aids ridden niggers from Africa instead of Carribs or Black americans but then again they fuck indians so women are really are >>55\nStated."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nHis grandfather was Cameroonian. His mother is the model Swedish Cecilia Rodhe who was Miss Sweden and his grandmother was a white French woman. He's what 25% Black can look like. Since African Americans are 10-20% white on average any mulatto resulting from breeding with a white person is probably 60-70% white with noticable black features. The standard for being black is very low in the U.S the standard for being white is rather high. All you have to do to be black in the U.S is really have curly hair, brown to high yellow skin, and lips thicker than your average Northern European. Whites in the U.S generally come from unbroken lines of Northern and Central Europeans only mixing with themselves. American Blacks have been assimilating not passing mulattoes for generations now."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFun fact, Masai people are actually more \"Eurasian\" on average than African Americans"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>48\nWhen people think of incels they think of white men, you're the ones going around committing mass shootings over not getting laid"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nAfricans are more educated than AA and Caribbeans, Nigerians do far better in the education department in America, so chill with your fake superiority."}, {"id": 65, "content": "Whites should have claimed the mixed people for themselves instead of giving blacks a bigger population."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nthey're about the same, most aframs fall between 10% and 30%, masai averages about 20%"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>49\nshe is 7/10 at best"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nYou do know like Asians they also cheat and scam their way to degrees and gradings right?\n\n\nhttps://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1159043.pdf\n\nWhy dof Nigerians cheat on exams\n\nhttps://tribuneonlineng.com/some-nigerian-students-now-get-ph-d-from-fake-universities-in-less-than-one-year-says-nuc-boss/\n\nhttps://www.nairaland.com/7575391/fbi-exposes-fake-nursing-degree\n\nAlso you can tell based off their \"education\" in UK and other countries their filth spread, this isn't true\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2018/jan/17/why-do-black-students-quit-university-more-often-than-white-peers#:~:text=A%20recent%20study%20found%20that,student%20population%20as%20a%20whole.\n\nMeanwhile the dropout rate for for Black americans in collage tho still high isn't comparable to UK even accounting total and per capita population. High school drop outs are the lowest in Black american compare to other groups.\n\nhttps://www.statista.com/statistics/1120207/rate-high-school-dropouts-us/\n\nFinally immigrants are known to cheat like hell to get into collages as well as Africans, so them being \"highly educated\" is dubious. https://www.wsj.com/articles/foreign-students-seen-cheating-more-than-domestic-ones-1465140141"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nnta but she's better than the one you posted"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nThis is no different from the butthurt zoomalian seething that his people are low iq 61 and keep spamming that fake stats of his somehow being better at math and eng than asian/white counterparts, it's laughable since their entire group income is the lowest out of all groups and we know most of it comes from welfare"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nThis is next level coping, Nigerians are better than you whether you like it or not, they also look down on your ghetto culture."}, {"id": 72, "content": "Some things never change, pic related"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nchinese men are doing this too, how many biracials are there in africa"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nIn what aspect? They're hated by literally everyone in their own containtent to as far as India.. Bro, I get that you tolerate them a bit more due to their slave like nature of not fighting back and fleeing which makes them docile slaves but they're mindless animals that their own president calls them criminals and scammers.\n\nTheir entire country is one big ghetto and I'm saying this as compliment considering a ghetto outside of Niggeria would be a upper middle class to the average niggerian that lives there.\n\nThere are literal slaves in Libya and parts of Africa whose quality of life improved on the basis they have shelter and can eat.\n\nThey copy our culture willingly, their own president is a literal drug lord and they spread drug and human trafficking of their own women in Italy and consider a nuance spreading drugs in India and Asia.\n\nThey were banned from UAE and Tusnia is kicking them out, if you're so bad that fucking zoomalians, South Africans and even their fucking president hates them than they are truly scum that needs to be exterminated from the face of this planet. Heck the nigger would probably thank me for putting his people out of his misery being stupid chimp whose slaves they sold did more in 500 years than Africa in 10,000. Funny how Africans can only do better when they're not in shithole.\n\nBut never sated how are they better, immigrants do better than native population their income probably higher than your white one but that's only do to welfare and aid the government gives in addition to them already job planning and we talking immigrant not migrants."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nWhy do you hate Africans so much, Nigerians and Somalians are your closest relatives in the old world."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\nI find it funny that incel chuds call women stupid sluts, when it is true, and they could get lathered in pussy if they took the right approach."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan you blame them? Look at those lips. Literally made to suck massas' cocks."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nCause they're evil like you whites, animalistic, pedophilic, animal fucking, soulless, inhuman to their fellow \"kin\" and I say this very very loosely. No integrity, no loyalty to their own group, much less to their country and the idea of Africa. Ugly, stupid, stinking, so npcish a white man or any one can go to Africa and kill their own children right in front of them and they wouldn't even bat an eye, heck to them it's less mouths to feed.\n\nThey hate us for a crime rate they see on the jewish/white cobal media, the same crime rate you white/jew elites cause in 1960s onwards to curtail Black communities cause they were a threat.Tthe same crime rate those Apefricans themselves are guilty tenfold in their own countries and everywhere they settle and whats worse you lump their crimes in America as Black American. Whereas any notable success they do somehow the media learns to delieeate from us. They say we have no culture while their entire country is white origin, white handle and to this day their institutions are white owned. They say we don't know our tribe despite the fact that in Nigerian case Yourba and Igbo was 19th century concept coined and founded by white/African middle man colonialist s that was really came from a term Fulani called the inferior southern \"negros\" which they routinely enslaved and looked down on themselves and to this day still fear them.\n\nTheir official language is English their flag, name is English, their own language dying, they still have powder wigs when they do judicial cases. The entire daiski dress and hat was created by a White guy from Netherlands.\nAnd was based off a ethiopian female clothing, lol imagine how embarrassing that the monkey entire attire wasn't even made by them and based off female clothing from Ethiopia that's double cultural appropriation.\n\nZoomalians are far related to me as West/Bantus/Nilos/Kushites to me and each other."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you SEEN some of the Shaniquas? There are a few out there, Tessa Thompson included, who I would gladly lay down my white pride Nazi flags for, if I could only just lick their toes"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nThey don't consider themselves Black and honestly despite their stupidity and lack of notable history, you can't blame them, heck if anything the term Black has already enough baggage it doesn't need Zoomalians to bring it down harder than it already is.\n\nZoomalians call them and all west Africans/bantus jareers and hate them as equal and greater as they hate themselves and other horners. Which is even more ironic considering they somehow worse than them in all aspects aside from not looking as ugly as them but ugly in their own right, they're consider \"nigger of niggers\" by this online racist forum standards due to their even higher welfare stealing, lack of work, shitting out bastard children and higher crime rates even compare other Africans in Diaspora, their entire country is literal rubble they probably the biggest fleers next to Niggerians and it's so bad they flee to South Sudan cause its relatively safer. By this point there probably be more of them outside of Zoomalia than inside, the way they're running you think Somalia wasn't their homeland.\n\nAnd they all revere and worship people who destest them, they take pride of being called Arab, caucasian, white, pretty much anything but African, they bleach themselves they pimp their women to shitskins to improve their gene pool I mean Africans in general, Chinese fucking them, Whites fucking them, shitskin nafaris fucking them, it's free for all in their whore continent, and the dirty nigger African regardless of whether he's Bantu or Somali is content with being inferior servile race hated by everyone literally everyone looks down on them,\n\nWhy should I associate with them, when they don't even associate with the countries they flee? They survive on Black american decency and good will that will they refuse to give to us, the people who feed their ape ass for 15 cents a day, since God knows they can't even clothed or feed themselves.\n\nYou like them cause they're not uppity and know their place."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nEverything the Arab,White,Asian, even Zoomali themselves say about Africans(including themselves) is correct and I can admit when I am wrong.\n\nYou tell us for 500 years we came from nothing, that Africans \"didn't invent the wheel, nor ship, no textile cloth, weapons etc\" You say this same shit almost every thread relating to Africants, and any remote notable history in Africa you people will claim Arabs, Whites built it and if not they were mutts using the euroasian dna proxy you try to claim them as your achievements.\n\nThere's a reason Afrocentricists/Hoteps even Apefrican ones claim Egypt or other countries that isn't Africa even Ethiopia despite it's notable history they larp as 13 tribe Judah or caucasian for longest time. Cause they don't even care about their own history or tribes or empires or momuments or architurtice etc etc.\n\nYou talking to people who were once majority in loincloths 50 or so years ago, majority of them were slaves who's tribe they rep aren't even the tribe their ancestors originate.\n\nThe slaves they sold out of Africa whether Arab,East African or Atlantic was fraction compare to the slavery and slaves in that stay within Africa.\n\nAnd they sold anyone, noblemen, criminals, chieftain, warriors, servents, slave traders, slave owners, no one was safe, no one cause they have no value to themselves.\n\nAnd I accept this, they're niggers and my only shame is being associate with them genetically, I don't hate my history or being Black I hate them, I hate them as equally as I hate Jew and you whites and really it be better for all life if all of you die."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThat's too much hate man, not healthy, let it go, no point hating half the people you come across."}, {"id": 83, "content": "And to be quite honest, I never really cared about them anyway, I mean look how they are, look how their features are, they were meant to be exterminated and be enslaved. If anything their deaths will save their own ancestors and former tribes, empires, kingdoms they descendent from from further embarrassment. Like if I was Fulani prince, or some Zulu king, or even Negest Nagest of Ethiopia and I saw what my people or country turn out wouldn't you want to cull the whole lot of them as well?\n\nThey would rather throw their lot with us than then their own ilk, who gladly whore their own fucking 10 years to pedophilic jews and whites, while we would shoot them for even looking at them weird.\n\nI'm admit glad I was on the ships, I couldn't been them an irrelevant self hating ugly aids ridden ape hating, killing raping everyone that looks like him but never the ones that don't and did more harm to him and his people.\n\nLike I condone you killing them and I condone them killing you in Europe or in Africa, you both are bad \"people\" and I use that term very loosely.\nI'm going off a schizo rant, but it's true you white/jews are worse thing to happen in entire history of humanity, I would literally sell soul to satan if it mean you people not only are gone but your entire evidence of your existence is gone as well. I mean it by the bottom of my fucking heart, you can go use aids as bioweapen to South Africans, you can go overthrow any of their countries presidents that fight against globohomo and want to be more independent and not take pyramid scheme food aid. You can have an entire nation own by a shell company, that poisons it's own water supply, destroy their own food/textile industries making them more dependent on White \"aid\", you can destroy a country that tried to escape the petrodollar and actually prevent the rapefugee crises, and leave to ruins where Africans are still enslaved to this day, you fuck native women leave with bastard children they still love you."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey rationalised it by labelling them as sub-human.\n\nIt's how humans rationalise any and all of their immoral acts.\n\n\"They're stupid.\"\n\"They're lazy.\"\n\"They're unevolved.\"\n\"They're uncivilised.\"\n\"They're [Insert degrading label here]\"\n\n\"They're < Me\"\n\n\"ME = GOD\"\n\nyadda yadda yadda.\n\nThey all do it."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe deep and pervasive reality is :\nEveryone knows who the real sub-humans are."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nThat's how Apefircans think of each other and us, they're evil man. They know they're evil towards us, they take advantage of our kindness our mercy and like whites stab us in the back. They're monkeys, the Zoomali, the South African was right on how they view each other especially Niggerians who call only us Akatas but not the Zoomalian who calls them Jareer, they have no name for them, not the South African who calls them Kwerekwere, they have no name for them. They only have a name for us, the people who dont hate them, the people they eligadly sold. So no what I say is tame and honestly not far enough. I condone Total Nigerian Death, I condone killing their children, their babies, I condone making them eat them(they used to it)), I condone raping them(They're use to that as well). I condone their complete and total extermination and you the best part they all die today and other Africans including some niggerian will cheer for it that's how much they're worth in this world anon. I accept that they respect being a zoo animal and they are afraid of us of doing to them what we did to the Liberian who they call the akatas of west africa, that's how much they hate us, that even our presence in Africa literally demonize an entire group of africants.\n\nI want to kill them and I mean those monkey niggers need to be slaughter like the shits they are."}, {"id": 87, "content": "The amount of braindead fucks there are on this thread is scary. Like literally all of you are brainwashed with misconceptions and false information that you use to answer the easiest questions. Clearly nobody here is black, so please stick to spreading lies about your own race."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>83\n>you can go use aids as bioweapen to South Africans\nconfirmed schizo\n\nYou are delusional, though not much more than the average \"critical race theory\" addled leftist nowadays. 99.9% of Europeans weren't involved in colonialism in any way, what happened is half a dozen European pirates and adventurers like Cortes strayed from the continent and conquered the entire world sans China, Japan, Persia, the Ottomans and Thailand, all on their own whim, and they did so with astonishing bravery and skill. It is only now due to modern technology developed by white people that their populations have exploded and brown people are relevant, though still overpopulated and incredibly poor. Look at places like South Korea if you want to see what intelligent people do with modern technology. The Japanese were utter psychos compared to the Europeans in their colonies, America still \"occupies\" South Korea, yet they aren't suffering permanent \"generational trauma\", they aren't being exploited as you imagine the west is doing in Africa through capitalist magic. African dictators are exploiting Africans. You're full of shit you people are. The people raping your daughters tell you to hate wypipo and you do so like the low IQ lemmings you are. What a mess.\n\nWhite people aren't bad. The natural state of white people is idyllic and utopian, even when they are poor. The irony is if we were half as racist as you claim we are, the world would be a much better place."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>63\nplease dont generalize, its not a war you can win."}, {"id": 90, "content": "I can tell Afro Saxton is a 4chan regular. Dude has no Idea what the real world is like, definitely hasn't traveled, and is an Incel. It's obvious he sits at his computer all day taking in garbage that releases dopamine and see's it as facts, until it's time for his 6 hour shift at Walmart scanning groceries for a black man. Open your eyes and get some fresh air man lmaoo."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>12\npretty sure when you are a farmer up in the remote hills, mid 1700s, no one around for miles, farmer be they white brown or black would say fuck it and go balls deep in a slave you were cintrolling, a goat, or probably any animal they had at hand, especially when the times stipulated that you didnt have sex out of wedlock. Our species were fucking literal subhuman neanderthals, probably when no one was looking too. Humans have been massive coomers throughout history."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>21\n>Black girls fetishizing the most racist place on earth"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>72\nKek"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>49\nblackbros why are we such an incels IRL"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>12\n>>considers black people to be subhuman\njust because you feel this way when looking at beautiful White people\ndoes not mean beautiful White people feel this way about you."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>12\nThats because despite all taboos and restrictive laws in place, nobody really actually gives a shit about race when they want to get laid. That's just how it's always been everywhere."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>50\n>You act like some middle age bong tutor gettimg triggered\nIt’s the fact that you literally cannot type basic English sentences without making mistakes. LARP better.\n\n>Again I bet you even watched it, you saw that it might imply Black women left swipe white men more and just went with it.\nKek is this how you cope? I watched it and saw them discuss how black women are open about preferring white men. They didn’t imply anything, these women swiped on white men more than they did with black men and rated white men ABOVE black men. Are me, the shitlib and the AA men in the comments all liars?\n\n>Yep you're brown, no way whitoid in his insecurity would say that unless he's a cuck\nNot a spic or a Jew retard. I want less of your kind and the easiest way to achieve that is through racemixing. Imagine 3/4 white, 1/4 AA’s trying to ask for reparations kek they would be laughed out of the room. You will never get reparations if racemixing continues so yes, I proudly support it.\n\n>Cause they always been a minority\nWhat does that have to do with it? There are other minorities in Cali who manage to date and marry their own. Don’t make excuses to justify self hate.\n\n>We will never be replace\nUmm but you are being replaced? Through a combination of Africans and Caribbeans (taking your jobs and outbreeding you), racemixing (less AA’s as you fuck others), the prison industrial complex (locking up AA men so you can’t fuck AA women and they have to turn elsewhere)."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\n>single\nYou do know they made the term fuck buddies in the first place. Half of the more degenerate phrases and practices in the U.S originate/gained traction from the Black community into the wider cultural sphere. It's not that nigs don't have sex, it's more that they don't stay commited to a single partner and don't built properly relationships. People just fuck around more. Hence the high abortion rates."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>90\nhe’s black. mentally retarded but black nonetheless. hates africans because they don’t suck up to him"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>89\nIt's true and you know it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No way he actually walked like that."}, {"id": 2, "content": "seriously."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe GOAT of /his/"}, {"id": 4, "content": "mirin those spats"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI walk like this"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Imagine having your nation invented in the 18th and 19th centuries"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagiNation"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo basically most nations?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Declaration of Arbroath is literally one of the earliest explicit statements of national identity as we understand the term today\n\n>but muh clan tartans n shiet\n\nYeah just about every country has made up 19th century bullshit traditions, who the fuck cares"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Against the English claim that the kingdom of Scotland was an English –or rather,Anglo-Norman–fief, the Scots insisted that it was an ancient independent monarchy;indeed, more ancient than that of England.In 1301 the rival myths were trotted out before the Pope–the Roman Pope Boniface VIII.In 1320, when the Avignon Pope John XXII refused to accept the verdict of the battle of Bannockburn, the Scottish leaders in arms drew up the famous Declaration of Arbroath–the Scottish Declaration of Independence.There the (mostly Norman) barons described to the Pope,in detail,the travels and exploits of their ‘Scottish’ ancestors:how they had passed from greater Scythia over the Tyrrhenian sea,and beyond the Pillars of Hercules;how they had stayed, for long tracts of time, inSpain, unconquered among the fiercest of warriors;and how,‘twelve hundred years after the setting forth of the people of Israel’,by victory after victory and travail after travail,they had won for themselves the abodes in the west which they now held in continuous freedom and independence.They had expelled the Britons and utterly destroyed the Picts; they had been assailed again and again by Norseman,Dane and Saxon;but they had never been subdued. ‘Within this realm’, they added confidently, ‘there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of native royal stock,nullo aliengena interveniente’,without a single outsider among them.How had the figure of 113 kings of Scotland been arrived at?Under the pressure of events, the barons had evidently taken a quick look at the latest king-list and done a rough count of the kings that they had found there.They had read the list as a direct line: starting with Fergus son of Ferchar and all his successors of Dalriada until they petered out, then going next through the line of Pictish kings (without adverting to the fact),before coming back on the home straight with Kenneth mac Alpin and his successors of the ‘amalgamated’ monarchy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAppalachians are lowlanders and can restart the clan traditions and larp as Americans highlanders even though they’re from the lowlands."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">english schoolday ends\n>english anon posts it again\nkek"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Some fun facts:\n\n>80% of Scotland's population is in the lowlands which is just a continuation of north England\n>the Scottish language was just English minus the French influence since the Normans didn't conquer Scotland in 1066\n>the medieval Scottish kingdom was ruled by Norman lords who spoke English and ruled an English-speaking peasantry\n>the Scots lost every battle they ever fought with England outside the Pyrrhic victory of Bannockburn\n>haggis are first mentioned in a 14th century English cookbook\n>bagpipes are found across Europe and are not native to Scotland at all\n>the kilt was invented by an Englishman"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The village of Limon, Colorado was scene to a particularly horrific lynching one fall day in 1900. It began when Louise Frost, the 12 year old daughter of a prominent rancher, disappeared while heading home from school. A search party was formed and eventually discovered the girl laying in a ditch, the obvious victim of a violent attack. She had been stabbed in the chest, neck, and face, and had another major slash down one thigh. She had also sustained extensive head trauma and had been raped. Barely clinging to life, she was able to speak and utter the words \"Mama, I'm home.\" before losing consciousness; taken home, she died that evening.\n\nThere was no sign of a struggle or indication that Frost had been forced to the murder scene, so she must have known her attacker. A bootprint and a bloodied silk necktie apparently from the attacker lay near by. Racial tensions in turn-of-the-century Colorado were always at risk of being set off, particularly when a Denver newspaper said the attacker was \"almost without doubt a Negro.\" Since eastern Colorado at this time had nearly no permanent black residents, it seemed far more likely that a migrant worker had done the deed.\n\nWhen a child witness allegedly claimed to have seen a black man in Limon the afternoon of the murder, suspicion centered around three black males, one a former ranch hand on the victim's father's ranch but all had valid alibis for what they were doing on November 8 and all were released. Another black man and his sons were then taken in for questioning. For whatever reason, the elder of the two sons, 16 year old Preston Porter, was suspected."}, {"id": 2, "content": "A Denver journalist called Porter \"illiterate and dull\" and \"his thick bullet-shaped head and sensual lips were the mark of a criminal.\" Police found partially burned, bloody clothing near the home where he lived with his father and brother, and a box of clothes he mailed to his mother in Kansas was retrieved and said to also have bloodstains. Furthermore, Porter had already spent time in a Kansas juvenile reformatory for trying to steal a buggy as well as attempted lewd acts with a child under the age of 12.\n\nPorter also told police where Louise Frost's coin purse could be found. This knowledge did not help the case of his innocence, although he never would get the chance to prove it in a court of law. However, a former Pinkerton detective who worked on the case said the evidence linking Porter to the murder was inadequate--he had eaten dinner at a railroad cook car an hour or so after the murder. He would have only an hour to carry out a grisly murder before returning to the cook car, his clothes covered with blood. However, witnesses said he did not have bloodied clothes nor did he appear agitated. Furthermore, the bloodstained clothes found near his home could not be proven to be his, certainly not with the primitive forensics available in 1900.\n\nThe bloody silk tie also seemed unlikely to be something a railroad worker would wear, and Porter was quite small and underdeveloped for his age while Louise Frost was large for hers (the autopsy report described her as \"fleshy\"). Moreover, the lack of any sign of struggle at the murder scene indicated it had to be someone Frost knew, and it seems doubtful that the white daughter of a prominent rancher would know or spend time in the company of a black railroad worker."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The police however continued to harass Porter into confessing to the murder, finally threatening to kill his father and brother if he didn't comply. At length, Porter gave in and admitted he'd killed Louise Frost. Since his confession happened under duress, it should have been considered valueless by all definition.\n\nNo sooner had word gotten out of the confession than an angry mob formed in Limon. On November 16, eight days after Louise Frost's death, Porter was being transported by train from Denver back to Limon. The Denver newspapers published the time of his planned arrival although fully aware of the lynch mob. At 4:00 PM, the same time of day Frost met her fate, a mob of 300 surrounded the train. The days are getting short this time of year and the sun was beginning to set in the west as they overpowered Sheriff Freeman and seized Porter. He was tied to a buckboard and dragged over a mile to the spot where Frost had died.\n\nFrost's father was invited to choose the method of execution. After mutilation was initially considered, he opted to burn Porter. A metal stake was erected and Porter tied to it. A mass of oil-coated wood was set alight. Porter's screams of terror filled the quickly darkening November sky. \"Oh God, oh God, oh God! Tell Papa I've gone to Heaven!\" he was heard to cry. Porter's moans and wails of agony contined for 12 more minutes until he succumbed. The crowd dispersed and left his charred remains where they were."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The burning made national news and it was widely condemned across the country--Booker T. Washington gave several fiery speeches denouncing it. However no punishment awaited the mob. Sheriff Freeman would do nothing to bring them to justice and Colorado governor Charles Thomas, a Georgian by birth who had briefly served in the Confederate army when he was 15, also refused to take any action even though the lynching was photographed and a number of clearly identifiable persons could be seen among the mob.\n\nLouise Frost was buried in Denver next to her little sister, who had died in an accident four years earlier. Her family left Colorado and returned to the Midwest where they had originally come from, and Preston Porter's father and brother returned to Kansas. There is no record of Porter's remains ever being buried or taken down from the Colorado prairie where they lay.\n\nIn 2020, Denver erected a memorial to Preston Porter, 120 years after his death."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>sensual\nWeird word choice"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nLittle tidbits like this is what makes this board worth visiting. Thanks for sharing, was a murderer ever truly identified?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Wakanda will never exist."}, {"id": 8, "content": "No such thing as an innocent nigger. Innocent is guilty of being a nigger."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery impressed that negro is covering her nose with the mask. She must have went to college."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDid janny go to sleep?\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\ncan't expect the n-word loving janny to afk here all day"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why don't we all just call countries by their native names? Wouldn't that be more polite/diplomatically savvy? So Deutschland instead of Germany, Nippon instead of Japan, Zhongguo instead of China...etc. I mean we already do it for Iran instead of Persia."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nijer"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI simply refuse to learn new names, as do many others."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the actual native names are often a pain to pronounce, exonyms are adapted to the language's pronunciation and they hold historical significance There's literally no point in saying Deutschland over Germany."}, {"id": 5, "content": "This is the most Reddit thing I've seen on this board in a very long time, and there was competition."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Slight correction:\n\n>Macau* (China)\n\nMacau is spelt with a \"u\" in Portuguese."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">call any part of Cambodia, Vietnam or Laos \"Indochina\" because they're indistinguishable anyway\n>Burma\n>Formosa when talking to Mainland Chinese, 中國 小台灣省 when talking to Taiwanese\n>\"Heunggong\" when talking to Mainland Chinese especially if they don't speak Cantonese, 中國 香港 pronounced \"Xianggang\" when speaking to Hong Kongers\n>call Mainland China \"中國\" when talking to Mainlanders in Hong Kong or Taiwan\n>call Mainland China \"中國別的地方” when talking to Hong Kongers or Taiwanese\n>朝鮮 (pronounced \"Cho-sen\" when speaking to any Koreans, 韓國 when speaking to North Koreans, 朝鮮 pronounced \"Cho-sun\" when speaking to South Koreans especially conservatives\n>Manchuria (God Mode: \"Manshu\" with Japanese prononciation)\n>支那\n>倭\n>call Pakistan \"India\"\n>call Bangladesh \"East Pakistan\"\n>call all of the UK England when in Scotland or Wales\n>call Ireland \"England\" to Irish people\n>call Ireland \"Eire\" to Irish people when speaking English\n>call Northern Ireland \"the Six Counties\" when in Belfast\n>call the island of Ireland \"the 32 Counties\" when in Belfast\n>call Ukraine \"Russia\"\n>call Haiti \"Saint-Domingue\"\n>call New Zealand \"Australia\"\n>Call Namibia \"Southwest Africa\" or \"Sudwes\"\n>call any country in Southern Africa \"South Africa\"\n>unironically call South Africa \"Azania\"\n>Call Zimbabwe \"Rhodesia\" (too easy)\n>call Turkey “Arabia\"\n>call Palestine/Israel \"Judaea and Samaria\" to Palestinians\n>call Israel \"Palestine\" to Israelis"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nBased."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ummm chud they identified and called themselves romania\nSo? There were no gypsies back then so byzantines it is"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nYou forgot calling Greece Western Turkey, and calling Turkey Eastern Greece."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>Call derry londonderry and londonderry derry"}, {"id": 12, "content": "So I should call it 'Poccnr'?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>I simply refuse to learn new names, as do many others.\nyou act as though you even bothered to learn the english names"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nIt sounds like “pidorashkha”."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>>call Ireland \"England\" to Irish people\n\nUsing the term \"British Isles\" is another great one. It's not even really a Brit thing, the Romans came up with it, but it makes Irelandoids seethe"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\n>There's literally no point in saying Deutschland over Germany.\nThere is as it is incorrect to limit the term \"German\" to only one Germanic people."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nI know plenty of country names, at least the important ones."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\nstop pretending you know what those characters mean"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why don't we all just call countries by their native names?\nBecause Cote d'ivorie can kiss my ass."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nlmao"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Even if we tried we'd still be held back by English phonetics so it could never satisfy the retarded hordes who learn the lingua franca and expect us to learn their irrelevant and often obsolete languages and care about their irrelevant culture"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Because even the systems for Latinizing other scripts aren't without pitfalls, and even then it would require creating new adjectives and demonyms.\nParticularly difficult ones that come to mind is what to rename Slovakia(ns) and Slovenia(ns). Baltic countries and eastern Europe as whole would also be problematic. Replacing the name for Norway with the Norwegian equivalent would also be quite meaningless since the English name is just a loan translation of the original.\nCertain names derived from Latin forms such as Syria and Ethiopia are optimal for nearly any major western language than attempting to adapt a native vernacular form."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrasil should be called Pindorama, by the way."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\nTo be more offensive you should call Ukraine \"Little Russia\". Some more things to add:\n>call Mongolia 蒙疆\n>call Vladivostok 海参崴\n>call Siberia 俄州/俄疆\n>call Xinjiang East Turkestan to pro-CCP Mainland Chinese, Dzungaria to other Chinese and Uighurs\n>call Tibet 西藏, Aruchanal Pradesh 男西藏 to non-Chinese\n>call Shan state \"Thai Doem\", Kengtung \"Chiang Tung\", Jinghong \"Chiang Hung\"\n>call South Vietnam \"Kampuchea Krom\"\n>call the area of Cambodia Angkor is in \"Phibunsongkhram Province\"\n>call Isan \"Laos\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I understand that in ancient Rome slaves were marked on the forehead (usually) with letters that specified the reason why they were enslaved. As much as I search I can not find specific information about it, can anyone tell me what were those marks and their respective meanings? I would also appreciate if you could give me the sources if possible."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Slaves in antiquity had 60 IQ and the work expected from them was minimal because of how unproductive they were."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat doesn't give me any answers."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSlaves weren't marked or only a minority. A liberated slave even had chances to become a politician."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI am aware of that, but I have found mentions of markings that were sometimes made on slaves in the way I have mentioned, even if it was not a normal thing, if this really happened, that is the information I am looking for."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nShoulder"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDo you mean that they were marked on the shoulders or do you mean something else?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nShoulder or ass so the slave could cover it with a cloth."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAnd do you know what were the letters with which they were marked and their types (if there were any)? that is the information I am most interested in and need to know."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlaves were property, you do what you want with yours. Some guy getting slaves to work in farms probably wouldn't care about them being branded on the forehead as much as a guy buying slaves for a brothel.\nRome wasn't as standardized as we're today, they wouldn't have ID cards or passports, so it's really hard to make a slave marking guides like an anime or something. They were all about the way you dressed and acted, you'd recognize a slave regardless of being branded or not. Not only that, people didn't reall travel that much and cities (except for Rome, which was a clusterfuck) would be relatively small and people would know each other."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEgyptians circumcised their male slaves, Hebrews pierced their ears, and Arabs castrated them. Females usually wore light clothes making them sexually available for their masters at any time."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nNot really, Liberti/Freedmen were usually great administrations/businessmen/craftsmen"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\n>Slaves weren't marked\nWhy wouldn't they just run away to some place 3 days away where nobody knows that they're slaves?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nCool it with the anti blackisms."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nany sources on this?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All I ask for is realistic medieval clothing and higene.\n\nSick of every scene being dirty people in nothing but brown rags.\n\nAt no point in history have people enjoyed being filthy and wearing nothing but shit colored clothes, it doesn't look good on the screen and nobody enjoys seeing it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>reddit spacing\n>watches movies/shows, doesn't read instead\nNGMI op"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm guessing you believe medieval peasants must have smelled horrible all the time due to only bathing once a year"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't worry (((they))) will make sure to have that in the movie on the enlightened al andalus full of black moors civilizing europeans and introducing higiene to them"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Back in rome they used to rub olive oil in their skins to feel “clean”. I don’t know about you, but that sounds nasty to me. Germanics, iberians and celts already used soap, though, which was seen as barbaric by the romans."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSoap gradually became widespread and Gallen recommended it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe effectively used it as shaving cream. Scraping it off took any loose dirt etc... with it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nOf course not, but I know that pedowood will never depict Medieval Europe positively in their propaganda films."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nBuahh buahh,muh soap,muh clean, nooo I can't stand smell, I'ma faggot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nBlame Whigs, the renaissance, and enlightenment for all the medieval-bashing."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou have to give a time and place bro, medieval clothing changes over 1000 years"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThis guy gets it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWatch Disney's Robin Hood. She has the best image of the Middle Ages.\n> No Dark Age\n> No feudalism\n> No infantry revolution\n> No \"everything was shit until enlightenment\"\n> no atheist masturbatory fantasy of \"oppressive Church\"\n> no retroactive imposition of post-French Revolution nationalism\n> no edgy \"everything is complicated\" revisionist grey morality nihilist narrative\nJust a plain old tale of good and bad"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nolive oil massage and brushing with olive branches was done before rinsing with cool water and after bathing in hot water"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nNo such spacing, you schizo.\nGet a life!"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nIvanhoe is good too"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI love Ivanhoe but I wish\n> SPOILER below\n...that the Aryan chad got the Jewish girl. The closest thing to breeding Anne Frank"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Need more actual medieval pictures."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nOh yeah, and she's inspired by the Medieval Flemish tale of Reynard the Fox. The combination of the English Robin Hood tale and Flemish Reynard the Fox tale is magnifique"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>>13\nGo watch Holy Grail too. One of best comedy of the era."}, {"id": 21, "content": "House Book Wolfegg"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Camp in the Middle Ages. Note the carts are laagered (round the wagons) around the tents to guard them from a raid"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Knights of the Late Middle Age, 15th Century AD"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nsoap is mostly fat retard. The oils stick to dirt and grime so you can wash them off, it works the exact same way. They weren’t using germX lmfao."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nGreat find.\n\nHere's one of a 15th century bathouse."}, {"id": 26, "content": "I need someone to find me the manuscript this image is from"}, {"id": 27, "content": "A rare image I found. Maybe Czech? Somethign to do with Kutna Hora"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Sick of every scene being dirty people in nothing but brown rags.\nWhat movies/shows/etc do this?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Related"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nEvery medieval movie since the 1990s I guess? Ironically enough children's movies might have more period accurate colours."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\n>al andalus full of black moors civilizing europeans\nThat actually happened no matter how butthurt you are about it though."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>an actual painting from the same period when the conquest took place is a STEREOTYPE!!! this shitty drawing made a few years ago IS 100% AUTHENTIC THOUGH!!!!\nKys."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate contrarians like this. They see movies constantly and for the most part accurately portray the medieval world as the bleak hellhole that it was, depite their many other faults, so they come to the conclusion that it must have actually been the contrary and a utopia where even peasants got to dress in the colours of a rainbow.\nPeasants could not afford many pieces of clothing, so they were forced to reuse old clothing. Damaged clothing was not replaced, but patched up, and due to reliance on natural colouring, the colours were much duller and faded far quicker in the sun than modern clothing, so indeed you would be left with most of the population wearing only ugly brownish rags.\nThey would also indeed be extremely unhygeinic and smelling like a sewer. If they weren't living in a town/city and forced to traipse through puddles of shit in the street on a daily basis, then they would be sweaty peasants having to work with literal human shit for fertiliser with their bare hands.\nThe picture you posting is a romanticised and rather outdated illustration. Amateur \"medievalists\" are cancer."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>not everything was gloom and doom\n>AKSCHUALLY EVERYTHING WAS GLOOM AND DOOM!\nthe beam's been logged into your eye so deep it's messing with your brain"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIt was shit, living in Honduras or the Congo today would be more pleasant.\nThe only reason you could think otherwise is because you're some uneducated tradtard - that explains everything."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nnobody said it would be easy (at least in terms of physical labour) but there is a tendency to glorify and sanctify Le progress and to assume that everything in the past was shit until finally god (oops I meant Reason) blessed us enough at the end of the 18th"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nConditions inside cities only got bad when the industrial revolution happened and you had small towns growing into a metropolis with a gorillion people in a couple decades.\n\nFarmers don't use human shit as fertilizer anymore (and there's nothing wrong with using it) but they still work with animal shit with their bare hands."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>6\nWho was that who recommended soap? What did he write? Thank you."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>>36\nConditions inside of cities were always horrific back then. Everyone wanted to live within the safety of the city walls, so they would be spared from the miseries by enemy armies and brigands. However space was greatly limited, and with no clear urban planning, it was cramped and chaotic with narrow, winding, uneven steets. No effective sewage system meant that shit from humans and horses were left to pool in the streets. Cities back then were naturally the most abominable disease vectors, especially with widespread unhygenic frequenting of prostitutes without protection by the population.\nIt arguable got much, much better with industrialism, old quarters were demolished and replaced with wide streets and effective sewage systems were implemented to deal with waste."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>unknown\nIn the \"realistic\" version they wouldn't be looking so happy.\nThey would likely be grimacing from an agonising untreatable tooth infection, or frowning from fact half of their family had just been wiped out in the recent plague."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nI assume he meant Galen the roman era greek physician"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe final takeaway is that unless you're watching strictly historical fiction, the accuracy of the historically inspired parts of a story is going to take liberties to sell the atmosphere it's trying to create. It's the same problem with people complaining that video games don't have accurate swordsmanship. Like, of course they don't, idiot, it's a video game."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>32\n>an actual painting from the same period when the conquest took place\n\nIt's from over 150 years later, smartass, and likely by an artist who likely had never been to Mexico considering people still wore Huipils and Tilmatli and other such garments in Mexico in a mainstream in that period wheras in that painting they're depicted like Carib and SA natives\n\nMeanwhile, the manuscript depictions in the bottom section are almost all painted within a few decades of the conquest by Aztec artists (or Aztec artists working with Spanish ones) and match the authentic depictions on the right.\n\nPic related shows part of the Siege of Tenochtitlan from the Lienzo de Tlaxcala, which was made in the 1550s, by contrast. This also, again, matches what's shown on the right/authentic section and the other actual contemporary manuscripts and ruins/sculptures seen at the bottom"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nNobody is asking for media to be 100% accurate, but you can make deviations for the sake of your specific artistic vision while still keeping it generally authentic, or if you REALLY wanna change things up, do so after you've done your research and know what WOULD be accurate and then changing things from there.\n\nThe problem is when people don't even realize their idea of what \"accuracy\" would be is wrong to begin with, so a lot of preconcieved notions of what would be accurate or authentic are off to begin with.\n\nYes, in some cases, shit like being dirty and brown and grey is done to compliment the mood or tone or whatever, but in a lot of cases that or the stuff pointed out in >>29 is done not because that's a huge part of the creator's vision, but just because that's what people assume Medevial Europe or Mesoamerica actually looked like. It's also possible that with a proper understanding of historical society and art motifs, people's artistic vision may change or they may want to take it in a different direction.\n\n\nTl;DR: You can change shit and make whatever you want, but you should do your research and know what IS accurate before you start to go in your own direction."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>31\nmoors aren't Black.. what are you talking about?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>They would likely be grimacing from an agonising untreatable tooth infection\npeople ate less sugary product back then, so unlikely. confectionnaries were a luxury only affordable to burghers and nobles, and the amount of alcohol people ingested daily would have probably washed away what little infectious agents actually did find a foothold"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>27\n>>unknown\nLovely paintings. Also surprised to see so many women working in mining-related activities."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>18\n>>19\n>>unknown\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>>25\n>>26\n>>27\n>>unknown\nDidn't wanna go too crazy with Mesoamerican examples before beyond what I posted in >>29 , but since the thread is about to 404 anyways, i'll post some here and there\n\nHere's Nezahualpilli, one of the kings of the Aztec city of Texcoco, from the Codex Ixtlilxochitl"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nWell, will post at least one more since we're about to 404 again.\n\nHere's the city center of Cholula, which was a major political and religious center across a very long period of Mesoamerican history. As of Spanish contact it had between 30,000 and 50,000 denizens by most estimates, more if you include the suburbs around the city center (even moreso if you include the towns and villages it ruled over as a kingdom)\n\nMost of the pic here is a depiction of the ceremonial core of the city, with the large Great Temple of Quetzalcoatl on the left (which replaced the Great Temple of Tlaloc it had during the Classic period, the Tlaloc Great Temple is what survives today as the \"Great Pyramid of Cholula\" since the Spanish mistook it as a hill as it was abandoned), the Xiuhcalli, seen to the right was the adminstrative center for the city's king and council of advisors or senators (not sure which is the more appropriate term here, Tlaxcala was a city Cholula was closely allied with just before the Spanish arrived, and Tlaxcala had a full senate which held most of it's political power). The structure on the bottom right is the Calmecac (or likely the Great Calmecac, I asusme the city had others) which was a school for noble childern and a administrative center and sometimes residence for priests and poets.\n\nThe squares around the edge of the pages here are surrounding towns, i'm not sure if these are suburbs around the the city's ceremonial center, or actual separate dependent towns adjacent to the city as a whole that it had direct control over... frankly, the distinction can get iffy with Mesoamerican cities."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>31\nAndalusians weren't black."}, {"id": 51, "content": "raughs in Asian drama."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nOh I forgot to say, the manuscript there is the Historia Tolteca-Chichimeca\n\nHere's a sketch by Scott and Stuart Gentling which reconstructions the Great Temple of Quetzalcoatl, you can see the earlier Tlaloc temple in the background.\n\n>>51\nAre you saying it's more authentic then European (for sure more then Mesoamerica) stuff, or that it takes even more liberties?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why did japan with its thriving electronics industry of the 60s, 70s and partially 80s completely and utterly fail to establish a thriving IT industry whereas amerimutts with its deindustrialization, and, to lesser extent China, and even Russia have succeeded?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Electronics aren't real"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Not sure if trollan or actual schizo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>poasts the meme demon image\n>not sure\nyou got trolled by 1 star bait"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile good at plug in consumer products Japan isn't good with the DIY mentality that the IT industry requires."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njapan got fucked by plaza accords which made their exports uncompetitive, while america allowed south korea to get away with doing what japan was, effectively a wealth transfer scheme to south korea. since then japanese economy has stagnated and innovation has been sparse because less risks can be taken when you're in a recession.\nanother notable thing is most countries don't really have thriving software or IT, china is the only notable competitor to america, and they blocked the entire western internet to do so."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>japan got fucked by plaza accords\nI've been hearing my entire life. Any reading you could recommend about that?\n\neveryone says that the accords did that, but no one actually specifies how, or why the nip elites agreed to gimping their economy while still being way below america in terms of labour efficiency/standard of living/et cetera"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\ni just dont post on his but the catalogue didnt give me any high hopes and ive heard that this board is one of the worst here even if pol's included in the comparison"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nI mean when you force a country to stop manipulating their currency their exports will become less competitive. at the same time allowing others to get away with it will obviously benefit them. of course a good amount of this is the japanese own fault, since they were living in a bubble economy where everything was overvalued. I think the bubble bursting would've been fine but it looks like japanese politicians decided to use public money to bail out their private investments, probably one of the biggest thefts of the century"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nIf it's a bit then he's committed it to the point of being an honorary schizo like picrel\n\nEither way I hope black mental hospital orderlies rape him"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany japanese companies make chips, it's just that TSMC is so enormous that it dwarfs everyone else.\nDon't forget sony/vaio, nintendo, sega etc."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Don't forget sony/vaio, nintendo, sega etc.\nthey don't make chips, and these are all video game companies, which japan remains competitive in. they don't have anything in big industries like cloud compute infrastructure for example"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\n>everyone says that the accords did that, but no one actually specifies how\npeople don't know how the plaza accords work and unlike most topics you can skim read on wikipedia, fill in the blanks yourself, and form an opinion on the plaza accords are too complex and require prior knowledge which \"geopolitical analysts\" (read: armchair generals) don't have\n\nsource: this is literally me"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan didn't invent semiconductors and chips and aren't innovators. But they are capable of high quality manufacturing.\nOther Asian countries are cheaper manufacturers and naturally America and Europe have remained mostly the technology advancers and highest of high quality manufacturers.\nNo mystery here."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the US was ahead on the tech over everyone else. The tech comes out, and everyone picks it up. The R&D cost to create your own tech is far too high, and no one in the western sphere of influence is going to steal it from Big Boss America.\n\nThe two entities in this time period with the industry, brainpower and need to contest from a matter of national security are Russia and China."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nHe says in a country full of autists who engineered automated toilets."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>people don't know how the plaza accords work and unlike most topics you can skim read on wikipedia, fill in the blanks yourself, and form an opinion on the plaza accords are too complex and require prior knowledge which \"geopolitical analysts\" (read: armchair generals)\nSo completely made up bullshit 4chan excuses for Japan fucking up their own electronics industry because it relied on just copying western tech anyway."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>another notable thing is most countries don't really have thriving software or IT, china is the only notable competitor to america, and they blocked the entire western internet to do so.\nThis. America owns like 90% of global internet commerce because their only competitor is China, who keeps their own people segregated from the global market while offering highly suspect services and apps that are basically just clones of successful American products."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\nNigger, they're still leading in shit like oscillators and lenses. Fucking Chink phones use Sony sensors."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>China\nChina wasn't making its own ball point pen tips until ten years ago.\nChina doesn't even make it's own chips.\nIt purchases them direct from Taiwan.\n>>19\n>oscillators and lenses.\nJapan doesn't lead in oscillators or lenses. And once again it isn't original tech."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYou operate on the logic of\n>if they didn't invent the damn things, they're not the leaders.\nWhich is why you're stuck on your burger exceptionalism. No one thinks of America when they're sourcing for those parts. That much is a fact."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\n> which made their exports uncompetitive\nNo it didn't. Anyone saying this never actually knows or posts stats.\n> less risks can be taken when you're in a recession\nThe divergence in software occurred before the 1980s. There's a reason everyone was so worried about Japan's Fifth Generation Computer project, which was supposed to dethrone Silicon Valley."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Which is why you're stuck on your burger exceptionalism\nWell America is the undisputed tech and military leader of the world. That is just reality anon.\n>No one thinks of America when they're sourcing for those parts. That much is a fact.\nNobody goes to America for the cheapest parts. That's what Asians are for. Factory robots essentially.\nEurope and America on the other hand are innovation and the highest quality."}, {"id": 24, "content": "most asian technology is reverse engineered european tech, after they reverse engineered all our technology in the ~25 years after WWII they didn't actually have the know-how to progress beyond that and thus collapsed in the 90's"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>Well America is the undisputed tech and military leader of the world. That is just reality anon.\nThat's only because they throw money in gusto.\n>Nobody goes to America for the cheapest parts. That's what Asians are for. Factory robots essentially.\nThen no one buys from Burgerstan. Simple economics that even a child could comprehend.\n>Europe and America on the other hand are innovation and the highest quality.\nThe former is known for peddling overpriced luxury goods, but US \"good quality?\" Kek, apart from arguably Apple no Yank computer company was spared from some fuckery on both the software and hardware end. Pull out Uncle Sam's shriveled star cock out of your ass already."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\n>>22\n> then japanese economy has stagnated\nAlso, their labor force began shrinking in the 1990s, and they never made the structural reforms that would've unlocked higher productivity growth in the service sector. When the majority of your economy has low productivity growth and you run out of spare inputs to throw in, your options for preserving growth are few."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe US is on that direction too, but they padded the blow by guess what? Immigrants from Asia. All those tech brains behind those companies? Different shades of Pajeet and Slant-Eye."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n...isn't that exactly what's happening with China right now, except that they're way fucking poorer than Japan was at that point? Makes me wonder if that productivity gap is a good thing for them because they still have room to grow despite a shrinking labor force, or if that means that they're going to start stagnating before they actually get rich."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nchina is still less than 70% urbanized so its productive urban population continues to grow. its aging older population was also never productive to begin with as even their literacy rate is low\nif you look at e.g. chinese aerospace programs the senior directors can be as young as 30 years old\nso it will be a while before chine feels the effects of aging"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\nlol. europe hasn't progressed in anything since ww2"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\n>delayed retirement and closing the gender gap"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\n>actually you see, the West is developing its comparative advantage in high value, high quality, high technology\nAnd in reality\nIt being funnier because higher wages were supposed to promote greater roboticization."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\n> if that productivity gap is a good thing for them\nIn the long run, it depends upon what they can do for Total Factor Productivity. China is prematurely aging (\"growing old before it grows rich\"), which is a damper on long-term economic growth (extensive and intensive growth aren't perfectly substitutable). We're globally in uncharted territory, but population aging probably isn't good for investment or development of methods that boost TFP."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\nlabor force isn't really an argument. netherlands took over 3/4 of global trade while being smaller than probably every indian province. speaking of india its labor force should've made it more competitive by now but bangladesh and vietnam beat it for some reason. innovation, tech, robotics beat demographics every time. kodak at 13000 employees, instagram had 13. being competitive means taking risks and investing in critical areas. it's always a tiny percentage of the population that's driving real growth, everyone else just follows orders. when you lack that innovative component you stagnate, regardless of your size"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nwe're in an era when AI robotics IOT etc are advancing faster than anyone could have imagined, the labor force discussion is outdated. what do we need 1.4 billion indians for. nothing"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>AI robotics IOT etc are advancing faster than anyone could have imagined\n\"You can see the computer age everywhere but in the productivity statistics\"\nEconomic development oddly shifts employment and economic weight into the sectors with low productivity, many of which are the hardest to automate."}, {"id": 37, "content": "economyfags really should be pol potted, you people are sickening to listen to."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>You can see the computer age everywhere but in the productivity statistics\nthis is ridiculous. the idea we're not 1000x more productive than before thanks to computers and the internet is absurb\nbefore computers you had to manually store and sort files. you couldn't copy paste, you couldn't store a backup, you didn't have backspace. before the internet you had to go to the library and walk through the aisles to look anything up. before computers we had literal human \"computers\" e.g. an army of accountants hired to fill out paper spreadsheets, now automatable with probably a single excel macro or python script.\nif this isn't reflected in productivity statistics, the neither the stats are just inaccurate, or every other industry has declined hard."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>20\n>China wasn't making its own ball point pen tips until ten years ago.\nthis is the kind of factoid which sounds meaningful to midwits but is actually meaningless"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nummmm....look sweety, the productivity isn't there you'll just have to delay retirement for two more years again, okay???????"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nyeah its like mentioning how japan had to use oxcarts to wheel out the mitsubishi zero from the hangar to the dock. surprise development is uneven"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n>the idea we're not 1000x more productive than before thanks to computers and the internet is absurb\nWe are, in the digital/information-acquisition, processing and use domain. Anything that can be converted into that domain has been greatly accelerated. Anything that can't (most things, apparently) has had far slower growth rates.\nhttps://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/broad-based-productivity-slowdown-seven-charts"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>25\n>That's only because they throw money in gusto.\nNope, America has whites, Jews and other Middles easterners. Asians don't\n>Then no one buys from Burgerstan. Simple economics that even a child could comprehend.\nA child doesn't eat shit even if it is for free.\n>The former is known for peddling overpriced luxury goods, but US \"good quality?\" Kek.\nI never knew that America designed nothing but Iphones mentally ill anon.\n>>27\n>All those tech brains behind those companies? Different shades of Pajeet and Slant-Eye.\nWow, Never knew Lockheed martin, microsoft, google, Linux, apple, youtube, twitter, Texas Instruments, IBM, The internet itself etc were created by Indians but ok shitskin. Hallucinations are cool I guess.\n>>30\n>europe hasn't progressed in anything since ww2\nThe electronic binary computer was literally invented in Europe. So was the first mechanical computer.\n>>32\n>And in reality\nIn reality nobody takes anything China reports about itself seriously because they are pathological liars on par with North Korea."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\n>>42\n> Anything that can't (most things, apparently)\nWe've completely annihilated information scarcity, for example, and yet look at the absolute state of informed discussion on the internet. The issue is always PEBKAC.\nOr with healthcare, social determinants of health and lifestyle diseases are and were bigger problems than not making diagnoses fast enough or accurate enough.\nOr in aviation, they can use computers to radically enhance every aspect of design and optimize manufacturing, and yet Boeing/Airbus still have thousands of orders in their backlogs."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>Nope, America has whites, Jews and other Middles easterners. Asians don't\nThis has to be trolling. Or American education at work.\n>A child doesn't eat shit even if it is for free.\nThis is your mush you call a brain thinks capitalism is.\n>I never knew that America designed nothing but Iphones mentally ill anon.\nAnother retardation. Quality Control is regarded as an afterthought in American manufacturing. Still is.\n>Wow, Never knew Lockheed martin, microsoft, google, Linux, apple, youtube, twitter, Texas Instruments, IBM, The internet itself etc were created by Indians but ok shitskin. Hallucinations are cool I guess.\nI know you're playing semantics, but if you have the balls actually do research and see who's running Apple, Microsoft and other firms. Burgs gotta burg I suppose."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nin these cases the scarcity is energy, which is needed alongside information. energy comes from the earth/sun not from human laborers, to fix this we need cheaper energy. without energy of course we are doomed and it gets worse with the more people we have"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>38\n>this is ridiculous. the idea we're not 1000x more productive than before thanks to computers and the internet is absurb\nWell we aren't. You are absurd.\n>before computers you had to manually store and sort files.\nPeople still do anon.\n>you couldn't copy paste\nYou haven't heard of photocopies or photographs?\n>before the internet you had to go to the library and walk through the aisles to look anything up\nYou still do today for any serious research mentally ill autist lol. Do you actually think that everything is digitized and online?\n>before computers we had literal human \"computers\" e.g. an army of accountants hired to fill out paper spreadsheets\nWe still do anon. Only they are sitting in front of computers and typing.\n>now automatable with probably a single excel macro or python script.\nYou can't automate accounting anon lol. You can save some time with repetitive tasks but that's it.\n>if this isn't reflected in productivity statistics, the neither the stats are just inaccurate, or every other industry has declined hard.\nYou obviously have never worked in a job and are completely disconnected from reality just like your productivity statistics.\n>>39\n>this is the kind of factoid which sounds meaningful to midwits but is actually meaningless\nIt means they have no chance of making far more complicated integrated circuits locally.\n>>41\n>yeah its like mentioning how japan had to use oxcarts to wheel out the mitsubishi zero from the hangar to the dock. surprise development is uneven\nNo, that's a completely irrelevant factoid you just mentioned thinking it was relevant."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>32\nChina and America have very different economies. It is easier to automate mass produced automobiles than aircraft to exacting standards, for example. This skews your statistics considerably."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nchina is churning out more aircraft than most developed countries\n>but they still use european/american parts\nfor now they do, but 10 years ago they didn't make planes at all, in 10 years entire supply chain can fit inside china. there are no limits to what can be done"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>10\nodd."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>2\n>the king's pact binds them\n>they cannot show themselves of speak to us\n>create ways to see without seeing\n>create ways to speak without speaking\nI think in your schizo mind you are warning us against AI"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\n>It means they have no chance of making far more complicated integrated circuits locally.\nno it just means only 3 countries make the tips because there is almost no reason to do so"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>45\n>This has to be trolling. Or American education at work.\nOr you are a moron that literally said nothing in your reply because you are a moron.\n>This is your mush you call a brain thinks capitalism is.\nYou actually think that people go to China for designing high quality products in critical applications? Guess what. They don't. They go to America or Europe.\n>Another retardation. Quality Control is regarded as an afterthought in American manufacturing. Still is.\nChinese projection and mental illness.\n>I know you're playing semantics.\nIt isn't semantics anon. Shitskins didn't create anything and still don't. They merely invest.\n>for now they do, but 10 years ago they didn't make planes at all, in 10 years entire supply chain can fit inside china. there are no limits to what can be done.\nThey still don't make their own planes anon. They steal foreign intellectual property and purchase foreign parts that they assemble and call \"theirs\".\n>no it just means only 3 countries make the tips because there is almost no reason to do so\nIt means Chinese were almost mentally incapable of it and they had 70 years of time to do it.\nOver fifteen different countries have made them in the past but not China. Low IQ."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\n>You obviously have never worked in a job\nI do, I simply work at a competitive company where we are incentivized to automate, innovate and think big. so I realize a lot of things can be automated, while you probably think the shit you just can't be\n>serious research\nevery journal and publication is digital now, did you not know this. unless you're doing archeology or something and need the physical artefact\n>No, that's a completely irrelevant factoid you just mentioned thinking it was relevant.\nbecause you said so? lmfao"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>>Another retardation. Quality Control is regarded as an afterthought in American manufacturing. Still is.\n>Chinese projection and mental illness.\namerican manufacturing is shit, although they hardly make anything anymore so people don't realize. but talk to any businessman today he'll tell you the same thing. americans don't do their jobs properly these days. they make mistakes and try to cover it up. they don't fulfill contracts honestly. it's a scummy country"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>I do, I simply work at a competitive company where we are incentivized to automate, innovate and think big. so I realize a lot of things can be automated, while you probably think the shit you just can't be\nSo what do they do when they find out you browse 4chan at work? Payraise?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>I do, I simply work at a competitive company where we are incentivized to automate, innovate and think big\nLol. Ok, so complete bullshit then.\n>every journal and publication is digital now\nNo they aren't anon. Also Newspapers are still\nbeing printed in case you forgot.\n>because you said so? lmfao\nBecause it is irrelevant and you know it is.\n>>55\n>american manufacturing is shit\nEveryone associates \"Made in China\" is common disposable low quality.\nSame cannot be said for \"Made in America\"\nChinese projection and mental illness is a serious disease anon."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>10\n>>3\n>>8\nThis fed sure sounds angry"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>Same cannot be said for \"Made in America\"\nWide variamce anon. Similar to China on that front, you want quality you pay for it."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>55\n>american manufacturing is shit\nhttps://theprint.in/world/bangladesh-dissatisfied-with-chinas-military-supplies-quality-reports/1081037/\nhttps://dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-sells-bad-military-equipment-to-good-friends/#.ZEWT-d1BzAQ\nChina has provided two obsolete 1970s era Ming class Type 035G submarines to Bangladesh. The condition of these submarines is so bad that they have reportedly been sitting unserviceable for a considerable time.\nSix China-made Y12e and MA60 aircraft that Bangladesh had already rejected, were purchased by Nepal for its national airlines, but now are lying useless as they are neither suited for Nepal’s terrain nor have spare parts available for them. The Chinese have refused to consider Nepal’s requests to replace them.\nThe refurbished Chinese built F22P frigates for the Pakistan Navy have been beset with various technical malfunctions. In September 2018, the Pakistan Navy requested a comprehensive proposal to undertake the mid-life upgrade/overhaul of these ships from China. However, China, seeing no profit, turned a blind eye, thus forcing the Pakistan Navy to turn to Turkey.\nWhen Kenya bought Norinco VN-4 armored personnel carriers, China’s sales representative declined to sit inside the vehicles during a test firing. Kenya went ahead with the purchase in 2016 and dozens of Kenyan personnel have reportedly been killed in those vehicles. The VN-4, nicknamed “Rhinoceros,” is manufactured by Chinese state-owned Chongqing Tiema Industries."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>Wide variamce anon. Similar to China on that front, you want quality you pay for it.\nNope it isn't wide variance. America has manufacturing standards and China simply doesn't.\nChinese people still purchase Australian milk and baby nappies because the Chinese producers are mentally incapable of not putting lead and solvents in their milk."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\n>Same cannot be said for \"Made in America\"\nmade in america = scam. I went to a tourist shop called \"made in america store\" on the US border once, when I went inside the first item I looked at said made in china. so that's how I associate it"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost IT success stories are the result of figuring out how to use this technology to gain mass appeal for your product or service. This is very different from the more technical electronics. Japan certainly captured the Japanese speaking market, but struggled to appeal to the world's 1.5b English speakers and against America's flashy reputation. Further new technology tends to gravitate to the same area and naturally this would be in the United States. A Japanese computer science major in 1995 would be considering moving to silicon valley in America to try and push his new idea. He will then learn English and contribute to a US company."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>57\n>No they aren't anon. Also Newspapers are still\n>being printed in case you forgot.\nand no one reads printed papers when you can get news updates on your phone, or better yet look at citizen journalists because the msm can't be trusted. physical newspapers are obsolete and exist purely as decoration today. you're just proving my point here"}, {"id": 65, "content": "The only \"true\" made in America products are those they grow on farms. Anything else is a marketing ploy to get boomer turdies to go, \"wow good ol' USA!\""}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nSo the only shit American products are actually Chinese products. Cool. I already knew.\nI also hope you aren't confusing designing with manufacturing.\nNice to know that Texas Instruments is a tourist shop lol.\n>>64\n>and no one reads printed papers\nYep, you don't leave your house. You are a forever indoor unemployed retard lol.\n>>63\n>Most IT success stories are the result of figuring out how to use this technology to gain mass appeal for your product or service.\nOnce somebody has already created the said technology.\n>>65\n>The only \"true\" made in America products are those they grow on farms. Anything else is a marketing ploy to get boomer turdies to go, \"wow good ol' USA!\"\nHave you ever left China anon?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nyep. \"friend-shoring\" is a scam like everything else these days, but easy to sell since only americans are naive enough to believe their \"friends\" won't take advantage of them economically and resell repackaged chinese goods to them (which is what vietnam, mexico etc. do). sometimes it seems the only american who even entertains the possibility of their allies ripping them off is donald trump"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>>and no one reads printed papers\n>Yep, you don't leave your house. You are a forever indoor unemployed retard lol\nprojection\nno normal person buys printed newspapers. it's odd you're even debating me about this. do you ever leave your house?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>Have you ever left China anon?\nNever set foot in that polluted surveillance state. I can tell you want to though with how you constantly mention the bug hive."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>20\n>\"China took forever to make a ballpoint pen\"\nWhats with this meme? Is mass making ball point pens some sort of necessary marker of civilization?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>yep. \"friend-shoring\" is a scam like everything else these days, but easy to sell since only americans are naive enough to believe their \"friends\" won't take advantage of them economically and resell repackaged chinese goods to them (which is what vietnam, mexico etc. do). sometimes it seems the only american who even entertains the possibility of their allies ripping them off is donald trump\nLol WTF. Literally nobody likes China anon. You guys are only good for making other peoples designs with factory slave labor of your ow people. That's the only reason anyone gets shit made in China.\nYou aren't allies.\n>>68\n>projection\n>no normal person buys printed newspapers.\nNo, you don't go outside and see people reading newspapers because you don't go outside.\n>>69\n>Never set foot in that polluted surveillance state. I can tell you want to though with how you constantly mention the bug hive.\n\"Chittering Chinaman makes bug noises\"\n\"Hello fellow American I am one of you!!!\""}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\n>Whats with this meme? Is mass making ball point pens some sort of necessary marker of civilization?\nIt's basic metal working technology shitskin."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>schizo rambling\nAnd that's my cue to accept your concession."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>>schizo rambling\n>And that's my cue to accept your concession.\nThat isn't a valid point Chinese insect."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nSuck my dick nigger"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>Suck my dick nigger\nChinese people can't manufacture integrated electronics because they are too busy with sucking things."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can't speak for Japan, but I know that alot of innovations in the US were done so in part thanks to public funds for national security purposes in the Cold War, such as the GPS, laser, and the internet. Later on, companies began to sell this to each other and then to the common consumer. I won't be surprised if the computer and the fax machine started out the same way. I think only the Motorola mobile phone had her origin selling to the public in the 80s. I could be wrong though. I believe even the Soviet Union was neck to neck with the US until the Soviet gov chose to knee cap their own computing sector to copy the US because they were a few years behind in tech. This only led to them falling even further behind because of Ronald Reagan's plan to send junk tech in the hands of KGB operatives."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>35\nAI is advancing fast but she'll take some more time before she surpasses a capable talent and even more time before her productivity becomes more affordable than that of an Indian wagie"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>3\nreddit moment"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>67\n>yep. \"friend-shoring\" is a scam like everything else these days, but easy to sell since only americans are naive enough to believe their \"friends\" won't take advantage of them economically\nChinese think their shit products are great and never criticize their own government ad free their food in oil collected from sewers without thinking twice.\nAmericans know that Chinese products are shit and Americans frequently criticize and challenge their own government.\nYou are so stupid without even knowing it.\nPure Chinese Dunning Kruger effect in action."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\n>AI is advancing fast but she'll take some more time before she surpasses a capable talent and even more time before her productivity becomes more affordable than that of an Indian wagie\nPeople have been making incorrect predictions like this for forty years now.\nPeople actually believe idiotic marketing hype."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>38\nAdd to the fact that Microsoft Excel changed how spreadsheets are done.\n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOO31qFmi9A [Embed]"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n>Add to the fact that Microsoft Excel changed how spreadsheets are done.\nThat marketing video demonstrating no improvement in speed what so ever. Just a whole lot of fucking around as is typical in a modern office.\nAnd they are still called spreadsheets because they are still spreadsheets."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>76\nChink stole more than your computer."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\n>Chink stole more than your computer.\nTranslate into English Insect anon."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>2\nWhy not bust a Ouija board and make your own PC then"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>Why not bust a Ouija board and make your own PC then\nI think that's why Chinese and Japanese never invented the computer."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>83\nlmfao\nan emr cluster running spark replaces an entire month of work from your team of accountants"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>71\n>Lol WTF. Literally nobody likes China anon\nthis isn't about who likes who, it's about who's selling\nright now if you want e.g. a cnc machine, your options are a chinese made machine, or a more expensive machine that's actually still chinese, they just ripped off the label"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>71\nyou seem unable to accept that other countries including american \"allies\" are reselling chinese goods to america to bypass tariffs. that's what \"friend-shoring\" really is. this seems incomprehensible to you for some reason\nhttps://asiatimes.com/2023/04/the-great-re-shoring-charade/"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>6\n>another notable thing is most countries don't really have thriving software or IT\nWell not strictly true. A big issue is that if a company does something interesting they'll be bought up either directly or indirectly by an american company either for themselves or at the direction and cost of the NSA because Europe doesn't prop them full of state money with few exceptions for really important shit like Zeiss.\nLike half of Alphabet's/Google's portfolio is euro tech they were told to buy by the NSA. Google Maps being one example."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>Like half of Alphabet's/Google's portfolio is euro tech they were told to buy by the NSA. Google Maps being one example.\nthat is true, like skype and spotify and a bunch of other things sold to america\nI guess europe is just dumb, either not protectionist enough or too hostile to business. I've never seen a chinese software company sold to the west, and now they are the only country other than america to provide competitive cloud computing services, telecom, consumer social media etc."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>9\nDon't forget that the US also had them do large wealth transfers to Korea during this time and they even had to give up tech knowledge on top of the Plaza accords."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\n>I guess europe is just dumb, either not protectionist enough or too hostile to business.\nIt's a bit of both.\nThe actively cockblock protectionism between each other because the large countries don't want protectionism so they can't buy up stuff and too many countries are just thinking short-term taxation or being bribed by bigger nations to stop allowing tax loopholes."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>88\n>an emr cluster running spark replaces an entire month of work from your team of accountants\nNo it doesn't.\nThat's why we still have teams of accountants.\n>>89\n>right now if you want e.g. a cnc machine, your options are a chinese made machine\nNo they aren't. No good option is Chinese designed and the preferable option isn't Chinese manufactured. You are the people that make cheap shit that everyone recognizes as cheap shit.\n>>90\n>you seem unable to accept that other countries including american \"allies\" are reselling chinese goods to america to bypass tariffs\nYou're saying something extremely obvious as if nobody except you has ever noticed that before.\n>>92\n>and now they are the only country other than america to provide competitive cloud computing services, telecom, consumer social media etc.\nLol...\n>>93\n>Don't forget that the US also had them do large wealth transfers to Korea during this time and they even had to give up tech knowledge on top of the Plaza accords.\nEvery excuse under the sun."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>>I guess europe is just dumb, either not protectionist enough or too hostile to business.\n>It's a bit of both.\n>The actively cockblock protectionism between each other because the large countries don't want protectionism so they can't buy up stuff and too many countries are just thinking short-term taxation or being bribed by bigger nations to stop allowing tax loopholes.\nSamefagging Chinese Insects have no idea what the fuck happens outside of their country."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>That's why we still have teams of accountants.\nthen you're stuck in the past lmfao\none aws service can probably replace your whole company\nlearn 2 code bitch"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\n>>and now they are the only country other than america to provide competitive cloud computing services, telecom, consumer social media etc.\n>Lol...\nplease name a european competitor to aws, azure, alibaba cloud, gcp"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>then you're stuck in the past lmfao\n>one aws service can probably replace your whole company\n>learn 2 code bitch\nYou don't have a job and aren't even orientated in the present mentally ill autistic anon."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n>You don't have a job\nprojection. I've yet to see you mention a single relevant fact about whatever industry you work in (street sweeping?)"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\nall those are run by pajeets and jews"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>98\n>please name a european competitor to aws, azure, alibaba cloud, gcp\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVHcloud\nAs of 2016 OVH owned the world's largest data center in surface area.[3] As of 2019, it was the largest hosting provider in Europe,[4][5] and the third largest in the world based on physical servers"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Factory skills translate into IT work\nI know I went from working in a steel mill straight to being a materials engineer"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>96\n>y-you're a chink\nlol my country is currently having our electricity costs rapefuck us because the EU decided that charging transmission costs for power sold to others is undue protectionism and that we can't give cheaper rates to locally sold electricity.\nUnsurprisingly it's the Krauts who are most reliant on our exports.\nAnd I personally considered starting a company in Romania because the tax for companies with turnover below a mil is taxed at like 3% (admin costs are roughly 1200 a month tho) but the EU is getting assmad over this and looking to shut it down. (leaving only alternatives like Malta, the UK with it's multiple costly tax havens or arguably Estonia)"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\n>projection. I've yet to see you mention a single relevant fact about whatever industry you work in (street sweeping?)\nYou don't have a job anon. I can tell."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>lol my country is currently having our electricity costs rapefuck us because the EU decided that charging transmission\nCool story chink."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>102\ninteresting, do they have SLAs on p90 launch times like EC2? do they have hypervisors like EC2 nitro which can spin up virtual instances at speeds comparable to bare metal?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\npost salary"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\n>interesting, do they have SLAs on p90 launch times like EC2? do they have hypervisors like EC2 nitro which can spin up virtual instances at speeds comparable to bare metal?\nIs the worlds largest particle accelerator in America or China? Nope."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\n>post salary\nPhotoshop your own salary"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\neuroid try not changing the subject challenge"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>107\nYeah, and do they have Amazon's downtime when everyone who relies on west coast nodes has a day to twiddle their thumbs and blame amazon?\nNot quoted but why go on about amazon tech as if it's anything special. Everyone is switching over to azure anyway."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\n>euroid try not changing the subject challenge\nChinko playing the irrelevant questions game."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\n>Not quoted but why go on about amazon tech as if it's anything special.\nOther CSPs didn't even offer spot instances until recently\n>Everyone is switching over to azure anyway.\nLol"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nLaugh it up. Everyone got tired of Amazon's Oracle-tier pricing and hidden surcharges up the ass long ago."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot enough autistic transgender programmers clearly"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>20\nJapan is the market leader in image sensors. The images you sent to your doctor of the gangrene spreading on your “neovagina” this morning were made possible, for better or worse, by Japanese sensor ICs, you absolute sped."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>85\nNo need. You or your descendants if you actually breed will learn Mandarin soon enough."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNips are an incompetent race that can only do what their masters instruct them to do, the others you mentioned are significantly more competent and self-aware"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\n>China\n>Russia\n>Self-aware\nKek, their \"multi-polar\" agenda is nothing but Commie dinosaur thinking. Also, Japan shook off the stigma of bad quality in their products so they're clearly doing something right."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>7\nYou simply won't get an answer here, international trade is a slog of paperwork to familiarize yourself with and you'll genuinely have to contact some grad school professor or read a good book on it to get a real detailed rundown.\n99% of the time, when people (online) say \"the economy did X because of Y\" it's an oversimplified, politicized, agenda driven answer. Nobody knows what the fuck makes an economy work really, it's pure chaos and random bullshit that sometimes has discernible patterns arising."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>118\n>No need. You or your descendants if you actually breed will learn Mandarin soon enough.\nSaid the person that's using English like everyone else lol. OMG anon. Please grow yourself a new brain.\n>>119\n>Nips are an incompetent race that can only do what their masters instruct them to do, the others you mentioned are significantly more competent and self-aware\n\"Chinese bug noises\".\n>>116\n>Not enough autistic transgender programmers clearly\nLinus Torvalds isn't an autistic tranny anon. Either is Bill Gates.\n>>117\n>Japan is the market leader in image sensors\nJapan makes the most phone-grade sensors. That's it. zero innovation. Not the best or the worst. But consistent high quality manufacturing that Japan is well known for now.\nSeems like you have forgotten about\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infineon_Technologies\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onsemi\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STMicroelectronics\nAmong others.\n>The images you sent to your doctor of the gangrene spreading on your “neovagina” this morning were made possible, for better or worse, by Japanese sensor ICs, you absolute sped.\nTranssexual people exist in Japan and Japan has one of the lowest birth rates in the world anon.\nOut of 195 countries Japan is number 189.\nWow are you autistic."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n>Be Motorola\n>Invent one of the earliest microprocessors and chipsets\n>Could've become a household name like Intel, AMD, Nvidia\n>Instead become irrelevant\n>Get bought out by Google then resold to Lenovo of all people because no one even wants to keep you around"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\n>>Instead become irrelevant\n>>Get bought out by Google then resold to Lenovo of all people because no one even wants to keep you around\nLMAO\nMotorola products are used everywhere in consumer electronics anon.\nOwnership and investors change all the time . Nothing strange about that. You're simply an autistic retard."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>121\n>You simply won't get an answer here\nBecause the Plaza accords theory of Japanese failure is complete bullshit."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>122\n>Said the person that's using English like everyone else lol. OMG anon. Please grow yourself a new brain.\nEveryone used to speak Latin, but now its dead. Hegemony's change and if you think you'll stay relevant much less numbah wan forever. Well, just hope your ass doesn't crash too hard."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\n>Everyone used to speak Latin, but now its dead.\nEnglish isn't Latin.\nThere are more English speakers today than in any other point of history.\nThere are more English than Mandarin Speakers.\nMandarin was the most spoken language from 1900 to 2015. Since 2015 English has been the worlds most spoken Language. It is the International standard Language. It is also an official Language of India.\nAs always. Chinese people don't know anything are are hopelessly out of date and out of touch with reality itself.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMf-XhqLlbo [Embed]"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's part of the global market. Japan would supply high technology hardware parts, while the US makes the software. It's much less efficient to make your own industry when you can just license the software elsewhere (for the most part)."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>56\nyoure an idiot. not op but making 400k doing similar work. I dont give a flying fuck what an idiot on a malaysian boba tea forum says\n\ntouch grass and eat ass"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\n>youre an idiot. not op but making 400k doing similar work. I dont give a flying fuck what an idiot on a malaysian boba tea forum says\n>touch grass and eat ass\nCool story anon. When are you going to get a job?\nIn five years time?"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>127\n>English isn't Latin.\nSo? Still the dominant language that died. English will follow the same path. The world's a cycle. It's not going to get stuck on Anglo turf forever. Priding yourself as a monolingual retard doesn't get you cool points here or irl."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\n>So? Still the dominant language that died. English will follow the same path.\nHoly shit Chinese dementia suffering retard.\nEnglish is more dominant today than it ever was in the past.\nMandarin is less dominant today than it ever was in the past.\n>Priding yourself as a monolingual retard doesn't get you cool points here or irl.\nI never said I was monolingual you fucking idiot.\nJust because you are, doesn't mean others are too. Nobody likes the Chinese anon. Literally nobody. 4chan isn't owned by the CCP. Wow are you insane.\n> English will follow the same path. The world's a cycle. It's not going to get stuck on Anglo turf forever\nEnglish is mostly spoken by people that aren't British or white you fucking moron. By your own logic Mandarin is going to become extinct because it was the most spoken language not that long ago.\nChinese people are always insanely stupid and assume everyone else is just as stupid as they are."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\n>More Anglo sperging\nWhat other lies are you going to vomit to try to push \"English FOREVAR?\" I at the very least have the self-awareness that languages live and die. You're no better than a hardocre lingual cultist."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>I at the very least have the self-awareness that languages live and die\nNo you don't. By your own logic Mandarin is destined to die now because it was the most spoken language for over a hundred years until 2015.\n>What other lies are you going to vomit to try to push \"English FOREVAR?\"\nYou're the only person who has some weird illusion of English being spoken forever. Mandarin is older than English.\n>You're no better than a hardocre lingual cultist.\nYou're just a confused retard anon.\nMost Chinese are brain damaged so this isn't surprising.\n>More Anglo sperging\nEnglish is mostly spoken by people that aren't British okay. That is the second time I have had to remind you."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>18\n>>15\namericans were ahead because they sabotaged europe since 1945 lol"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\n>English won't live on forever.\n>Mandarin older than English.\nSo what even your position on English is? The only thing consistent about you is your pathological Chink hateboner."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\n>So what even your position on English is?\nYou can't even read or understand English lol.\n>The only thing consistent about you is your pathological Chink hateboner\nI hate idiots anon and you are objectively extremely stupid. You might want to do your homework before claiming that Mandarin will replace English.\nChina has no chance if you're intelligence is representative of the average Chinese person."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\n>You can't even read or understand English lol.\nNot an argument.\n>I hate idiots anon and you are objectively extremely stupid. You might want to do your homework before claiming that Mandarin will replace English.\nImagine saying this on 4chan of all places. Must be an everlasting agony for you. Either way, English isn't eternal. Cope, seethe, kill yourself. In that order."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\n>Not an argument.\nIt's a valid argument anon. You cannot even understand what I'm saying or what my points are.\nThat's why you are so confused.\n>Imagine saying this on 4chan of all places. Must be an everlasting agony for you.\nBut heaven for you.\n> Either way, English isn't eternal.\nNo fuck shitskin. NO FUCK captain obvious.\nDo you also think you're the only person who knows that 1+1=2?\n>Cope, seethe,\nLol, only trannies say those words.\n> kill yourself. In that order\nWell you're an autistic Chinese tranny so you probably will kill yourself."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\n>It's a valid argument anon. You cannot even understand what I'm saying or what my points are.\nEverything is some schizo shit about English followed by schizo shit about China. You're easy to figure out.\n>But heaven for you.\nWhy else would I stay on a site I hate. I'm not retarded like you.\n>No fuck shitskin. NO FUCK captain obvious.\n>Do you also think you're the only person who knows that 1+1=2?\nKeep getting mad. You're at least an entertaining clown that way.\n>Lol, only trannies say those words.\nDamn, you really have a lot of squatters in your brain.\n>Well you're an autistic Chinese tranny so you probably will kill yourself.\nWhat's next on your list of people that make my brain hurt?"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n>Everything is some schizo shit about English followed by schizo shit about China. You're easy to figure out.\nSee, you've got no idea what's going on because you can't understand English.\n>Why else would I stay on a site I hate. I'm not retarded like you.\nYou love 4chan because you're a retard anon.\n>Keep getting mad. You're at least an entertaining clown that way.\nYou're proud of being stupid.\n>Damn, you really have a lot of squatters in your brain.\nDamn, you really are an autistic Chinese Tranny.\n>What's next on your list of people that make my brain hurt?\nYou don't have a brain Chink."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\n>See, you've got no idea what's going on because you can't understand English.\nlol\n>You love 4chan because you're a retard anon.\nlol\n>You're proud of being stupid.\nlol\n>Damn, you really are an autistic Chinese Tranny.\nlol\n>You don't have a brain Chink.\nlol"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\n>lol\n>Illiterate Autistic Chinese Tranny lololololol"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nStay mad, Anglo."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\n>Stay mad, Anglo.\nFor the third time single digit IQ Chinese Retard.\nMOST ENGLISH SPEAKERS AREN'T BRITISH OR WHITE."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\n>admitting you're not white.\nThat's even worse."}, {"id": 147, "content": "It's a Flip. Notice how he can't get Chinks out of his mind."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\n>>admitting you're not white.\n>That's even worse.\nSee, you're mentally incapable of understanding English. I've never stated or indicated my ethnicity.\n>>147\n>It's a Flip. Notice how he can't get Chinks out of his mind.\nBecause you're the only person here samefagging mentally ill Chinese anon."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\n>Not White\n>Hyperobsessed about English\nIt's not hard to figure out, Juan.\n>Because you're the only person here samefagging mentally ill Chinese anon.\n>He thinks it's only samefagging.\nYour shithole has mindbroken you."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\n>>Not White\n>>Hyperobsessed about English\n>It's not hard to figure out, Juan.\nYOU FORGOT INDIA, RUSSIA, JAPAN, CHINA AND MANY OTHERS MORON ANON.\nMORE THAN TEN MILLION CHINESE SPEAK ENGLISH\n>Because you're the only person here samefagging mentally ill Chinese anon.\n>He thinks it's only samefagging.\n>Your shithole has mindbroken you.\nAUTISTIC CHINESE IDIOT SAMEFAGS AND THINKS IT ISN'T OBVIOUS."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\n>Lists non English majority countries\n>MORE THAN TEN MILLION CHINESE SPEAK ENGLISH\n>AUTISTIC CHINESE IDIOT SAMEFAGS AND THINKS IT ISN'T OBVIOUS.\nOh no the Flip is frying its circuitry."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\n>Oh no the Flip is frying its circuitry.\nOH NO!!\nAUTISTIC CHINESE TRANNY HAS NOTHING TO SAY BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING IMBECILE."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nNothing else to say, but play along to the chimpout."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\n>Nothing else to say, but play along to the chimpout.\nSEE, YOU'RE A JOKE AND YOU'RE LIFE IS A JOKE. THAT'S ALL CHINA IS. A JOKE."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nAnd all you can do is go all caps on 4chan. Cool."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>14\n>highest of high quality manufacturers.\nThat's TSMC."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>18\n>apps that are basically just clones of successful American products.\nwrong"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>23\nNot any longer."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>47\n>Do you actually think that everything is digitized and online?\nI think the majority of everything only exists in the digital form at th\n>It means they have no chance of making far more complicated integrated circuits locally.\nis point.\nI don't think you know what level is meant by more advanced. It litwrally meant the top of the mobile snapdragon/mediatek SoC etc. Mainland is most likely at worst some ten years behind."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>156\nsneed\n>Verification not required."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>7\n>>9\n>>6\n>>13\n>>17\nThere's nothing complex about the Plaza Accords that the average person cannot understand. Japan and South Korea were currency manipulators, keeping their currencies undervalued restricted imports while boosting exports, they also enjoyed free trade with America as a Cold War perk to boost these regions against the Soviets. In the 1970s the US was rocked by stagflation, so Paul Volker jacked up interest rates to control the US money supply and lower inflation, this was successful but it also made the USD ridiculously strong during the 1980s, which made the trade deficits against Japan and Western Europe even worse. Not wanting to reverse this policy and allow inflation again, the US instead pushed its trade partners to allow their currencies to strenghten vis-a-vis the dollar (by selling dollars in the open market and stopping currency manipulation). Japan was part of the accords (as a major economic power) but South Korea was not, so in that sense the other anon is right that this was a wealth transfer from Japan to South Korea in a sense, as Japan was stopped from further currency manipulation but the South Korea's currency manipulation was overlooked due to SK being smaller and less relevant.\n\nNow China has been following on Japan's and South Korea's footsteps since 1993 and it's baffling the US has done nothing to stop a geopolitical rival like China from doing so other than half-hearted attempts by Trump which were too little and came too late.\n\ntl;dr - East Asians have benefitted from enjoying wide-open free trade access to the American market and have enganged in currency manipulation on top of that, America has been hijacked by financial shills and multinationals that benefit from this outsourcing and thus its leaders have been asleep at the wheel.\n\nAmerican trade policy towards East Asia is still stuck in its Cold War setting (prop up Japan, South Korea and China) even though the Soviet Union is gone."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>6\n>>13\nThe Plaza accords were just one piece of the puzzle. What really let to their downfall was the forced tech transfers to US tech companies if the Japs didn't want a 100% tariff when entering to the US, and Japan had to voluntarily cede 30% of Its Japanese tech markets to the US tech companies: https://youtu.be/e7sH1dGsxpo [Embed]\nThe current tech war against China is nothing compared to what the Japanese tech companies had to endure"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\nso you telling me that all these asian tigers(plus china) could only build up their economy because usa allowed them?"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>36\n>>35\nyou need central planned economy for this"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>55\ntoo many chinks and pajeets in management"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was he right about America?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes Americas are No. 1"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Atheists legit have no reason not to slit your throat at any second beyond peer pressure"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You don't either"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I don't want to? Do you need God to tell you not to do that?\nDon't be afraid to get help OP."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I could snap at any moment and beat somebody into a bloody pulp that pisses me off even a little.\nChristians are afraid of me."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if sky jew wanted your throat slit, would that be moral?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA more accurate assessment would be that atheists who have no objection to animal slaughter (vast majority of atheists) also have no objection to human slaughter because they fundamentally believe that people are animals. You can see in this context how concepts like eugenics arose out of atheistic circles, where there is no objection to treating mankind the same as livestock."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have no desire to, in fact the thought of doing that is repulsive to me.\n\n>>6\nI’m personally a humanist and nearly all secular people think humans should be treated better than other animals.\nAlmost all the ones who disagree cast a net and are vegan or vegetarian"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>knock on front door\n>can’t show your Bible\n>get purged like the infidel you are"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>I’m personally a humanist and nearly all secular people think humans should be treated better than other animals.\nYeah but that is just an example of your own hypocrisy, which is disturbingly common among atheists, if you were logically consistent you wouldn't arbitrarily draw a line between man and beast."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>eugenics\nThe more beautiful you are, the stronger you are, the more intelligent you are, the closer you are to the gods. Someone malformed is just a reflection of their degenerate soul."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell I imagine all the ones that did decide to slit their throat aren't alive right now to defend their actions."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>You can see in this context how concepts like eugenics arose out of atheistic circles\nAnd also jacobinism, nazism and communism wich saw the nation/race/common as the ultimate delimiter of morality and the individual as just a replacable cog in a machine"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nIt’s not an arbitrary line humans are our species and we’re reproductively isolated from all other great apes.\nWe are objectively one type of being and I’m on team human. I don’t think vegans are wrong either, I’m just personally an omnivore and a humanist."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThat is the absolute opposite of what Jesus said though, that isn't Christianity. Jesus praised the meek, the poor, and the deprived."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>christoids legit have no reason not to slit a child's throat right after they're baptised beyond peer pressure"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI'm not a Christian"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Nice try incel, but I don't believe in child baptism."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>atheists who have no objection to animal slaughter (vast majority of atheists) also have no objection to human slaughter because they fundamentally believe that people are animals\nthis is a stupid thing to believe as an atheist. humans aren't comparable to animals, not even close, it's ridiculous to assume that. ask any normal person (many of who are atheists) are humans animals, they'll think you're retarded for posing such a question"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>religious man hears voices inside of his head\n>voices tell him to kill people\n>he does it because he thinks it's the voice of god"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\n>eugenics arose out of atheistic circles\nNo, it actually arose out of people that believed in god anon. Francis Galton was a Christian lol.\n>>9\n>Yeah but that is just an example of your own hypocrisy, which is disturbingly common among atheists, if you were logically consistent you wouldn't arbitrarily draw a line between man and beast.\nBiblically speaking God literally created animals ad plants for man to eat and only created man in his image as the ultimate mortal life form.\nHave you even read your own holy book or are you just pretending to be Christian lol.\n>>12\n>nation/race/common as the ultimate delimiter of morality and the individual as just a replacable cog in a machine\nChristianity literally sees all of mankind as nothing more than potential converts and replaces the ethnic religions of all people with itself and race mixes everyone until all people are exactly the same.\n>>17\n>Nice try incel, but I don't believe in child baptism.\n\"mentally ill leftist anon randomly calling people incels\""}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA lot of them snap, remember the tranny who murdered several children in a school."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTell me then, what reason do you have not to slit someone’s throat? The wrath of your God? What if one simply doesn’t care about your God’s wrath."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>A lot of them snap, remember the tranny who murdered several children in a school.\nTrannies and homosexuals serve as priests in churches anon."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>literally one guy\n>it's an epidemic\nYou're as bad as the media convinced mass shootings are a white terrorist phenomenon."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nYeah, like what if they went full Jonah?\nHe got eaten by a giant fish and spat out a few days later. That's like being kept in prison."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion is magic peer pressure"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>10\nUtterly based.\n>>14\nAnd that's why christianity is depraved."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmy life's pretty good so far, anon, why would I kill myself?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>9\nThe only one drawing an arbitrary line is Christians. The moral privilege given to humans by other humans is the belief that our conscious experience is isomorphic and motivated out of mutual fear and respect in order to preserve our own lives. We treat animals differently based on how we perceive the value of their lives based on perceived utility and level of consciousness. Christians on the other hand invent metaphysical fictions like \"Souls\" to demarcate humans from animals when reason and observation provides all the tools for making the demarcation."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's why you build your own meaning and reason to live. i don't care that there's no inherent meaning to life or whatever, i create my own reason to live, even if it is just to be happy or make others happy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">There are Christians that don't believe in the trinity\n?\nDid they just think Jesus was talking to himself? Wasn't he killed literally for calling himself G_d? I'm honestly confused."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe entirety of christianity is basically one big zen koan designed by the jews to mindbreak white people."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe prayed to god and at the end of his life lamented that his father had abandoned him.\nDid he pray to himself?\nDid he abandon himself?\nHow does any of that make sense?\nI'm against Christianity in general, but at least unitarianism is a somewhat sane doctrine. Trinitarianism is so dumb that it makes you mentally ill if you force yourself to believe it. Even more mentally ill than you have to be to dedicate your life to the \"King of the Jews\" when you're not even Jewish.\n\nTrinitarian Christianity is the Javascript of religions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n? He called himself G_d so many times. Was he just a schizo?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>He called himself G_d so many times\nCount how many times he did that and post the quotes here, please.\n\n(he never did)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can sense JWanon coming"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nHe said he was the Son of God for sure though, and that He is one with the Father, set aside by the Father, learned directly from the Father. How is that not baby God"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nNTA but:\n\n\"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:\nWho, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:\nBut made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:\nAnd being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.\nWherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:\nThat at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;\nAnd that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.\"\n(Philippians 2:5-11)\n\n\"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.\"\n(Isaiah 9:6)\n\n\"And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.\nAnd they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:\nAnd were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.\"\n(Luke 24:51-53)\n\n\"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.\"\n(John 1:1)\n\n\"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.\"\n(John 5:18)\n\n\"I and my Father are one.\"\n(John 10:30)\n\n\"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.\"\n(Luke 18:19)\n\n\"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.\"\n(John 8:58)\n\n\"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.\"\n(John 17:5)\n\n\"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:\"\n(Matthew 28:19)\n\nNeed I to post more?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Philippians 2:5-11\n\nnote how other translations render this verse:\n\n1869: “who, being in the form of God, did not regard it as a thing to be grasped at to be on an equality with God.” The New Testament, by G. R. Noyes.\n\n1965: “He—truly of divine nature!—never self-confidently made himself equal to God.” Das Neue Testament, revised edition, by Friedrich Pfäfflin.\n\n1968: “who, although being in the form of God, did not consider being equal to God a thing to greedily make his own.” La Bibbia Concordata.\n\n1976: “He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to become equal with God.” Today’s English Version.\n\n1985: “Who, being in the form of God, did not count equality with God something to be grasped.” The New Jerusalem Bible.\n\nRalph Martin, in The Epistle of Paul to the Philippians, says of the original Greek: “It is questionable, however, whether the sense of the verb can glide from its real meaning of ‘to seize’, ‘to snatch violently’ to that of ‘to hold fast.’” The Expositor’s Greek Testament also says: “We cannot find any passage where ἁρπάζω [har·paʹzo] or any of its derivatives has the sense of ‘holding in possession,’ ‘retaining’. It seems invariably to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch violently’. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense ‘grasp at’ into one which is totally different, ‘hold fast.’”\n\nFrom the foregoing it is apparent that the translators of the King James are bending the rules to support Trinitarian ends.\n\nFar from saying that Jesus thought it was appropriate to be equal to God, the Greek of Philippians 2:6, when read objectively, shows just the opposite, that Jesus did NOT think it was appropriate."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>note how other translations render this verse:\nGarbage translations, anon. They belong in the trash along with all JW literature and web pages, etc."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Isaiah 9:6\n\nDescribing the LOGOS as “a god” is in line with the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6, which foretold that God’s chosen one, the Messiah or Christ, would be called “Mighty God” (Hebrew, ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ), but NOT “God Almighty” !!! (ʼEl Shad·daiʹ, as in Genesis 17:1; 35:11; Exodus 6:3; Ezekiel 10:5).\n\n>Luke 24:51-53\n\nthe Greek word used is pro·sky·neʹo. Unger’s Bible Dictionary says that this word literally means to ‘kiss the hand of someone in token of reverence or to do homage.’ An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine, says that this word “denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to man . . . or to God.” In Bible times pro·sky·neʹo often included literally bowing down before someone of high stature.\n\nConsider the parable Jesus gave of the slave who was unable to repay a substantial sum of money to his master. A form of this Greek word appears in this parable, and in translating it the King James Version says that “the servant therefore fell down, and worshipped [form of pro·sky·neʹo] him [the king], saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.” (Matthew 18:26; italics ours.)\n\nWas this man committing an idolatrous act ? Not at all !\n\nHe was merely expressing the kind of reverence and respect due the king, his master and superior."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>John 1:1\n\nWhile many Bible translators render the verse to say that the word is God, others see the need to render it differently. In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different.\n\nIn the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant.\n\nFor example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” (The Translator’s New Testament, page 451.)\n\nOther scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction.\n\nScholar Jason David BeDuhn states that the absence of the definite article makes the two occurrences of “God” “as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.” He adds: “In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.”—Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament, pages 115, 122, and 123."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>John 5:18\n\nJesus’ opposers are the ones who accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33)\n\nHowever, Jesus NEVER claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.\n\n>John 10:30\n\nThat this did not mean that Jesus claimed to be the Father or to be God is evident from his reply !\n\nThe oneness to which Jesus referred must be understood in harmony with the context of his statement.\n\nHe was speaking of his works and his care of the “sheep” who would follow him. His works, as well as his words, demonstrated that there was unity, not disunity and disharmony, between him and his Father, a point his reply went on to emphasize. (John 10:25, 26, 37, 38; John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38-40; 8:16-18.)\n\nAs regards his “sheep,” he and his Father were likewise at unity in their protecting such sheeplike ones and leading them to everlasting life. (John 10:27-29; Ezekiel 34:23, 24.)\n\nJesus’ prayer on behalf of the unity of all his disciples, including future ones, shows that the oneness, or union, between Jesus and his Father was not as to identity of person but as to PURPOSE and ACTION !\n\nIn this way Jesus’ disciples could “ALL BE ONE,” just as he and his Father ARE ONE.—John 17:20-23."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>>12\n>>13\nWhoever wrote these is a lying devil, anon. Get right with God anon and stop blaspheming against the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Lord and Savior."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>Luke 18:19\n\nJesus speaks of God as a separate person to himself.\n\nWhen a man addressed Jesus as “Good Teacher”, he replied “Why do you call me good? No one is good except the one God.’’\n\n>John 8:58\n\nAt John 8:58 the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the most accurate translations, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 would be:\n“Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”\n\n>John 17:5\n\nJesus held an exalted heavenly position. How does that peove in any way that he is God ? It doesn't.\n\n>Matthew 28:19\n\nIs there anything in those texts that says that the three are one God equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom ?\n\nNo, there is not !\n\nAs for the use of “name” in the singular for the Father, Son, and holy spirit, please compare the use of “name,” SINGULAR, for Abraham and Isaac at Genesis 48:16.\n—King James Version"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>14\n\nThe weight of scriptural evidence supports Subordinationism, the Son's total submission to the Father, and God's paternal supremacy over the Son in EVERY aspect.\n\nI acknowledge the Son's high rank at God's right hand, but the Father is still greater than the Son in ALL THINGS. The Father, Son, and Spirit are essential in creation and salvation, but that in itself does NOT confirm that the three are each co-equal or co-eternal. Jehovah God is only explicitly identified as \"ONE\" (1) in the Bible, and the doctrine of the Trinity, which word literally meaning a set of three, ascribes a co-equal threeness to the being of the infinite God that is not scriptural.\n\nThe problem with the trinity is that you ascribe supremacy to someone else than the Lord of the universe, and that is idolatry, one of the worst sins anyone can commit. It's good that you believe Jesus is worthy of honor, but you are overexalting the Son on the same level as the Father."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\nHow do you respond to >>7\nPeople also called him Lord and He never rebuked people when they called him God… I think you are taking advantage of his extreme humility if you are using the fact that he never explicitly called himself “God”, besides, don’t you think that would be a bit lame for anyone to go around saying?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI believe that before the creation of the world God was alone and that there was no Son. When God desired to create the world, he begot another divine being to create the world through him. This divine being was called Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God.\n\nThe Son is a creature. He is a high creature, a creature powerful enough to make the world but, nevertheless, a creature. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent upon, and caused by the Father."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>It's good that you believe Jesus is worthy of honor, but you are overexalting the Son on the same level as the Father.\nIt’s not over-exaltation if Jesus own words command us to baptize in the name “of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. If Trinitarianism is wrong, it’s Jesus himself who caused us to believe in it with his own words. So even if you want to argue that it’s technically incorrect, you can’t justify that thinking otherwise would be sinful lol it’s right there in the baptismal formula"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>The weight of scriptural evidence supports Subordinationism\nLook, i've said this many times to people arguing this on here: If you believed the Bible you wouldn't be changing it.\n\nI have also linked more than enough evidence as proof that Jesus Christ is our only Lord God. I don't need to post more from the New Testament or the Old Testament to prove this.\n\n>>18\nThe problem is you're ignoring all of the Scripture already previously posted."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThe Trinity doctrine runs counter to the commission Jesus gave his followers to “make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.”\n\nTo be baptized as a genuine Christian, a person must acknowledge the supremacy of the Father, Jehovah, as well as the position and authority of God’s Son, Jesus. The baptism candidate must also believe that the holy spirit is God’s active force, not part of a Trinity. (Genesis 1:2)\n\nAn individual who continues to believe in the Trinity cannot be baptized in symbol of a valid dedication to Jehovah God.\n\nI am grateful that our spiritual legacy has protected us from believing this God-dishonoring teaching !"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>This divine being was called Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God\n>The Son is caused by the Father\nAll of these relations are true and valid, but they take place in eternity, therefore outside of time and space, so your reasoning is meaningless, we are talking about eternal god(s) here, which are in fact all only one God through their perfect unity."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nHow is it over-exaltation if the words are side by side in the baptismal formula? Why would someone be baptized in the name of several special creatures? That’s absurd."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nJesus never claimed to be equal to God. Instead, Jesus worshipped God. (Luke 22:41-44)\n\n>>22\nIf the Father begat the Son, he that was begotten had a beginning of existence: and from this it is evident, that there was a time when the Son was not. It therefore necessarily follows, that he [the Son] had his substance from nothing."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nBecause God provides salvation from sin through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And God sends out his holy spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>If the Father begat the Son, he that was begotten had a beginning of existence\nA beginning outside of time is no beginning at all. Beginning needs a clock to be running in order to have any meaning at all. When Christ was begotten, no clock was running, therefore he is eternally God despite being begotten."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\n>Son of God\nI remember this quote from a Jewish Kabbalah book aimed at Christians (the name escapes me right now but I can look it up for you if you want):\n\"Billions of people already worship one particular Jew as 'the son of God.' Now we just need to educate them about the fact that ALL Jews are the sons of god, not just that particular one.'\nI'm not a Jewish supremacist, so my personal perspective is that we're all children of God, but you should definitely stop worshiping a Jew of all things, one way or another.\n>and that He is one with the Father\nwe all are, everything is\n>set aside by the Father\nwe all are in our own way, but even if he had a special role, so do prophets and Mashiach in Judaism, who are men with a special fate and not God.\n>learned directly from the Father\nif he were God, he would be omniscient and would not need to learn anything."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nChrist is not outside of time.\n\nGod created Jesus before he created anything else.\n\n“He is the firstborn of all creation.”—Colossians 1:15.\n\nHe is “the beginning of the creation by God.”—Revelation 3:14."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>Because God provides salvation from sin through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And God sends out his holy spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7\nI might give you the Christ one, but the Holy Spirit one is absurd, by that logic we should be baptized in the name of all of God’s angels too."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThe holy spirit is nit a person. It is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35)"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nLook, it doesn't make any sense for a JW cultist to link Scripture passages because they've already changed them in the modified versions that only they use. It's no different than any other cult linking to their made-up text.\n\n>>26\nChristians who all affirm the deity and divinity of Christ will tell you that God the Son is eternally begotten of the Father, and there was never a point in time in which He was not. That corresponds to Jesus' prayer in placed like John 17:5 as previously discussed, as well as John 1:1.\n\n\"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.\"\n(John 17:5)\n\n\"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.\nFor in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.\"\n(Colossians 2:8-9)"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>Christ is not outside of time.\n>God created Jesus before he created anything else\nDid God create Jesus Christ first or did God create time first?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n\nThe New World Translation is based on up-to-date scholarly research and the most reliable ancient manuscripts.\n\n\nIn contrast, the King James Version of 1611 was based on manuscripts that were often less accurate and not as old as those used in producing the New World Translation."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nYou're using a corrupted cult translation, of course they are going to tell you whatever you want them to say."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nChristianity is based on Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nTime began at the beginning of creation. The clock started clicking at Christ's birth.\n\nTime is not a creation, it is a consequence of creation."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\n>He is the firstborn of all creation\nbecause he is a copy of Phanes-Protogonos\nhttps://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/The-Real-Origins-of-Jesus-Christ:6"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nJason BeDuhn: \"While it is difficult to quantify this sort of analysis, it can be said the NW[T] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.\"\n-Greek Scholar in his book: \"Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament\"\n\nSteven T. Byington: Of the NWT, \"If you are digging for excellent or suggestive renderings, this is among the richer mines.\"\n-Christian Century, \"Review of the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures\"\n\nFrederick Danker: \"Not to be snubbed is the New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, Rendered from the Original by the New World Bible Translation Committee.\"\n-\"Multipurpose Tools for Bible Study\"\n\nAlan S. Duthie: The \"Jehovah's Witnesses' NWT,...is certainly not 'filled with the heretical doctrines'...even though a few aberrations can be found...but the percentage of the whole Bible thus affected... does not reach even 0.1% of the whole, which is very far from 'full'.\n-\"How To Choose Your Bible Wisely\"\n\n>>35\n...Okay ?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>>>/x/"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nIf you know anything about spacetime, you know that you can’t have space without time and you can’t have time without space. So you’re saying the universe already existed by the time Christ was created? What was there, then? Or if not, you’re saying that there was a cosmological epoch when Christ was the entire universe, including time and space?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>...Okay ?\nSo the meaning of the Bible has been settled for many many centuries and doesn’t depend on up-to-date English scholarship or translation."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThe physical universe did not exist before Jesus, nor did heaven.\n\nGod was all there were for eternity. He then created Jesus out of nothing, with time and heaven as a consequence."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>27\nAccording to Hebrews chapter 1, the Son is the express image of God's person and the brightness of His glory. As God has always had a brightness of glory and an image of His person, this naturally shows us that the Word is God. In verse 8 of this chapter, the Son is explicitly called God as well. See the following passage.\n\nHebrews chapter 1\n\"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,\nHath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;\nWho being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;\nBeing made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.\nFor unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?\nAnd again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.\nAnd of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.\nBut unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.\"\n\n>if he were God, he would be omniscient and would not need to learn anything.\nThis refers to the human nature of Christ. According to the divine nature of Christ, He is omniscient, and according to His human nature, He grew in stature (as it says in the Gospel of Luke) and learned things. This isn't a contradiction as Jesus Christ is \"fully God and fully man.\""}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>10\n>>14\nThe KJV is a garbage translation based on 1200s manuscripts.\n\nhttps://superiorword.org/errors-in-the-king-james-version/\nhttps://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nThe NWT is based on the most reliable Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek texts we have.\n\nMoreover the New World Translation strives to convey faithfully the original message that was inspired by God. (2 Timothy 3:16)\n\nMany translations of the Bible sacrifice faithfulness to God’s message in favor of following human traditions, for instance by replacing God’s personal name, Jehovah, with titles such as Lord or God."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nliterally the original NT Greek manuscripts read: “Toward but the son the throne of you the god into the age of the age.”\n\nNo one should deny that the title theos (NT Greek word meaning “God,” “god,” “mighty one,” “divine,” etc.) can be applied to Jesus, just as it was applied in the scriptures to angels, judges of Israel, Moses, and (according to some trinitarian authorities) even the kings of Israel.\n\nBut theos is NEVER applied to Jesus with the most high sense that is given only to the Almighty, Most High, only true God !!!\n\nSo it was used at Hebrews 1:8 in its positive secondary sense:\n“Your throne, o mighty one [theos], is ...”. This seems even more probable when we remember that Paul is really quoting from Psalm 45:6.\n\nPsalm 45 is celebrating an Israelite king’s marriage, and the psalmist applies the words of Psalm 45:6, 7 literally to an ancient Israelite king. In fact, the trinitarian New American Standard Bible (NASB), Reference Edition, explains in a footnote for Psalm 45:1, “Probably refers to Solomon as a type of Christ.”\n\n\nSo, according to this trinitarian Bible, the words of Psalm 45:6, although figuratively referring to Jesus, were literally applied to an ancient ISRAELITE KING\n\nDo you believe that king Solomon was God ?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\n>God was all there were for eternity. He then created Jesus out of nothing, with time and heaven as a consequence\nIf time is a “consequence” of Jesus, then Jesus is prior to time. Prior to time = eternal, ergo why we believe Jesus is God, because from our limited mortal (created) perspective, viewed from a place in time in other words, Christ was always there.\n\n>>45\nLol"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>4\n>Was he just a schizo?\nno, he was just a mythological figure. None of the stuff in those books is real, that's why it's okay if there are contradictions."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>41\nThey are reinterpreting the meaning of words according to some cultist's particular view of things and using corrupt manuscripts as their pretext for changing other things to their personal liking. But God's word says this:\n\n\"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.\nAdd thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.\"\n- Proverbs 30:5-6\n\nNow notice. The JW has no problem with adding to God's word, even though they will be found liars. They change the meaning of words to meet their cult practices. It's no different than Islam or any other cult, really. They are all going to hell in the end unless they individually repent and they're certainly blaspheming God and rejecting Him. Note what it says in the Bible.\n\n\"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:\nAnd every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.\"\n(1 John 4:2-3)\n\n\"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.\"\n(2 John 1:9)\n\n\"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.\nWhosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.\"\n(1 John 2:22-23)"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>If time is a “consequence” of Jesus, then Jesus is prior to time\n\nThis doesn't follow. Time existed the moment Jesus was created, because Jesus is not eternal. He had a beginning."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nUnlike paraphrased translations, the New World Translation renders words literally as long as doing so does not result in awkward wording or hide the thought of the original writings.\n\nTranslations that paraphrase the Bible’s original text may insert human opinions or omit important details.\n\nThousands of ancient Bible manuscripts have been found. Some of these contain a number of differences, indicating that mistakes were made in copying. Most of these differences are minor and do not change the meaning of the text.\n\nHowever, a few significant differences have been discovered, some of which appear to be deliberate attempts made long ago to alter the Bible’s message. Consider two examples:\n\nAt 1 John 5:7, some older Bible translations contain the following words: “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” However, reliable manuscripts confirm that these words were not in the original text. They were added later. Thus, reliable modern Bible translations have excluded them.\n\nGod’s personal name appears thousands of times in ancient manuscripts of the Bible. Yet, numerous Bible translations have replaced it with titles such as “Lord” or “God.”"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>and using corrupt manuscripts\nthe KJV manuscripts are corrupt. They used manuscripts from 500s thats no different than 1200s manuscripts. Meanwhile, we have manuscripts from the 300s that are different from the 1200s ones, showing more of what the original manuscripts looked like.\n\n200 Year game of telephone vs 1100 year game of telephone."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nI would argue that God is first, and only God."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nGod is first, Jesus second."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>At 1 John 5:7, some older Bible translations contain the following words: “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” However, reliable manuscripts confirm that these words were not in the original text. They were added later. Thus, reliable modern Bible translations have excluded them.\nActually, this isn't true. The Textus Receptus was constructed using Greek manuscripts, including 1 John 5:7-8. There are ancient Christian writers who quoted the verse long before the oldest manuscripts of this book.\n\nSo no, you are incorrect about that. The passage in 1 John 5 contains another Trinitarian statement as follows:\n\n\"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.\nAnd there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.\"\n(1 John 5:7-8)\n\n>Thousands of ancient Bible manuscripts have been found.\nTrue, and almost all of them support something close to the Byzantine or received text of the New Testament."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\n>Some of these contain a number of differences\n\n>THE Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus differences are insignificant in the extreme. A large number of these differences are due to iotacisms and variants in transcribing Hebrew names. Others are because two of the scribes were bad spellers. They are nothing and much was corrected by the more competent scribe and the corrector.\n\n>THE TR, on the other hand, has whole phrases, sentences, verses and even whole sections added. Plus textual changes for theological bias. Let’s not even mention the end of revelation. Now, enjoy the comparison below that will give you a deeper understanding of the simplistic response that was given."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nBruh\n\n>\"The passage appears to have originated as a gloss in a Latin manuscript around the end of the 4th century,[3] and was subsequently incorporated into the text of the Old Latin Bible during the 5th century, though not the earliest Vulgate manuscripts.[4]\"\n>\"It is absent from the Ethiopic, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament.\"\n>\"A Trinitarian gloss (marginal note) known as the Johannine Comma, added to Latin translations of the epistle in the 4th century,[26] was interpolated (added to the main text) within 1 John 5:7-8 over the course of the Middle Ages.[26] >Although no Greek manuscripts before the 15th century include the passage\"\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma\n\nPlease stop posting this fake verse"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\n>Jesus second\nThis is the key to your belief that differentiates it from mine. From my perspective, it’s disobedient to Jesus, and therefore disobedient to God, because Jesus taught the doctrine of God. If it’s true that Jesus taught the doctrine of God then his teaching comes first, he comes first. By saying Jesus is second, you are placing something higher than the doctrine of God, therefore committing idolatry.\n\nSimple question, can you find in scripture where it says that Jesus is “second” in any thing, or that suggests obedience to him ought to be a lower priority than obedience to God?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>THE TR, on the other hand, has whole phrases, sentences, verses and even whole sections added.\nThis isn't really true. It's the corrupted texts that remove those phrases and verses. The JW cultist is wrong about this fact.\n\n>THE Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus differences are insignificant in the extreme.\nNo, between these two manuscripts it's easier to find two consecutive verses in the Gospels that differ than two consecutive verses that are entirely the same. Also, Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are two manuscripts that differ highly from one another. That is completely different from a continuous stream of manuscripts from many different regions that all agree with each other. It logically proves that the small minority were corrupted by one group in one place and that they clearly do not reflect the original New Testament in the places where they remove parts of Scripture in the New Testament."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nWikipedia has a strong anti-Christian bias. Are you really going to use them as a definitive source, anon?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nI agree with this\n\n>>58\n“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.\n\n>>59\nKJV Onlyism is a good example of Solomon's words in Ecclesiastes that there is “nothing new under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 1:9).\n\nWhen Jerome translated the Bible into Latin, he was labeled a heretic by some for daring to “change” the Bible. Centuries later, when Jerome's Latin Vulgate became nearly universally accepted in the Western church, many who dared to attempt updates were murdered. Then, when believers in Germany, England, and other countries began translating the Bible into their common languages, they were labeled heretics, and some were burned at the stake for their vulgarity.\n\nKJV Onlyism makes the exact same mistake. Instead of focusing their loyalties on the original Hebrew and Greek, they make their preferred translation of the Bible the only true Bible and persecute anyone with a different preference."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nSorry my bad, here\n\nhttps://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/bible-errors.html"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.\nDoes this tell you to put the Father’s teaching before Christ’s teaching?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n\nJesus is God's mouthpiece, his prophet. In John 14:9, Jesus said 'Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.' Jesus’ following explanation shows that this was so because he faithfully REPRESENTED HIS FATHER, spoke the Father’s words, and did the Father’s works. (John 14:10, 11; John 12:28, 44-49.)\n\nJust as he himself said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, AND OF THE ONE WHOM YOU SENT FORTH, JESUS CHRIST.”—John 17:3.\n\nSo everything Jesus said and did, he did so under the direction of his God. \"I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.\" (John 5:19)\n\nJesus worshipped the Father, even after his resurrection in heaven.\n1 Corinthians 11:3 says, “But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.”\n\nJesus said to worship the Father alone.\n“It Is Jehovah Your God You Must Worship”—Matthew 4:10\n\nSo JWs will worship the Father."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>So JWs will worship the Father.\nSo you’re admitting that the doctrine you follow is not precisely from Christ, and is actually above Christ’s doctrine?\n\nI hope you know this is why people don’t call you Christian. Because to a Christian, obeying the doctrine of Jesus Christ is the #1 and only task of obeying God."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nWhat in my post led you to this conclusion when I clealy explained that nothing Jesus taught deviated from the Father since he came to teach his Father's will ?\n\nA Christian obeys God through Christ, since Christ obeys God."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>59\n>This isn't really true\n\n>proceeds to post picture showing how its true\n\n>>59\n>Also, Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus are two manuscripts that differ highly from one another.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_codices_Sinaiticus_and_Vaticanus\n\nΖαρε (Zerah) – B\nΖαρα (Zerah) – Sinaiticus\n\nkek, its literally a different way to spell a name."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>Centuries later, when Jerome's Latin Vulgate became nearly universally accepted in the Western church, many who dared to attempt updates were murdered.\nI'm not advocating murder for JWs, I am warning them that corrupting scripture to serve their cult means they are hellbound.\n\n>KJV Onlyism makes the exact same mistake.\nOk, I don't see how this applies to my situation.\n\n>they make their preferred translation of the Bible the only true Bible and persecute anyone with a different preference.\nShow me where this is happening right now? Yes it's true that Roman Catholicism had a corrupted version of Scripture before they went multiple-version-only. But it wasn't based on the original Greek and Hebrew / Syriac-Aramaic. You could find things that were added in such as the word \"supersubstantial\" in Matthew 6:11 or the word \"again\" in John 3:5, which were not found in any Greek copies. That isn't the same as a translation that is based on the TR, which is entirely in the original languages. It's a fallacy of conflation to suggest it is.\n\n>>62\nExplain it in your own words, anon.\n\nThe passage in 1 John 5:7-8 was quoted as Scripture long before the earliest manuscripts we have of 1 John, confirming its existence and presence within Scripture, as there is only one place in the Bible where it says \"and these three are one.\" Although a very similar line of dialogue occurs in John 10:30, where Jesus Himself says, \"I and my Father are one.\"\n\nCyprian writes (On the Unity of the Church, chapter 6),\n>The Lord says, “I and the Father are one;” and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”\n\nNotice how he quotes both John 10:30 and part of 1 John 5:7 as being written (in Scripture). Also Origen in a completely different context quoted from 1 John 5:7 in Greek, around the same time as Cyprian did in the 3rd century AD. This shows the historicity of this verse, in addition to manuscript evidence."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n> What in my post led you to this conclusion when I clealy explained that nothing Jesus taught deviated from the Father since he came to teach his Father's will ?\nYour basic denial of the Trinity. The Trinity is about IDENTITY of Christ’s doctrine with the Father’s doctrine in every way. You are saying the basic task is to obey the Father, a Trinitarian sees obedience to the Father and obedience to the Son as one and the same. Can you say that obedience to the Father and obedience to the Son are one and the same?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nThe Origen quote in Greek is here."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nGod has apponted Jesus as head of the church. Christians obey Christ, our King and Savior. And Christ himself obehs to Jehovah God, the Sovereign Lord of the universe.\n\n1 Corinthians 11:3\n“But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God.”\n\n>>68\n>>70\n\n>Daniel B. Wallace notes that although Cyprian uses 1 John to argue for the Trinity, he appeals to this as an allusion via the three witnesses—\"written of\"—rather than by quoting a proof-text—\"written that\".[59] Therefore, despite the view of some that Cyprian referred to the passage, the fact that other theologians such as Athanasius of Alexandria and Sabellius and Origen never quoted or referred to that passage is one reason why even many Trinitarians later on also considered the text spurious, and not to have been part of the original text.\n\nYou are fake news"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nIt’s a simple yes or no question, can you equate obedience to God with obedience to Jesus Christ, yes or no? Are they the same?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nI just showed you where Origen also quoted the same Scripture in a completely different context. And if it is said to be \"written,\" then where exactly is it?\n\nIf someone quotes John 10:30, and then says it is ALSO written that \"these three are one,\" that means that both of them are intended to be Scripture references, anon. This is before we even get into other quotes of 1 John 5:7-8."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nAs Jesus said, he and his Father are \"one\". (John 10:30)\n\nAre they \"one\" in the sense of \"one God\" ?\n\nNo, they are one in purpose. So obeying Christ is obeying God, since Christ is God's prophet.\n\nThe Israelite's salvation also depended on their following Moses' lead. Those who rebelled against Moses like Korah paid the price with their life.\n\nThis is no way means that Moses is equal to God. Nor is it the case with Jesus."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nLet's suppose for an instant that this is a genuine verse.\n\nOf course even this would not mean the three are the one God as trinitarians want !\n\nThe word for \"one\" here is in the neuter form, hen, which cannot mean \"one God\" since \"God\" is always in the masculine form in NT Greek, and grammatically adjectives (such as \"one\") applied to it must also be masculine (heis, masculine form).\n\nNT Greek words meaning \"one\":\n\n- hen is the neuter form for \"one.\"\n- heis is the masculine form for \"one.\"\n- mia is the feminine form for \"one.\"\n\nWhen the neuter \"one\" (hen) is applied to persons, it means \"one thing.\" In other words they have become united in some thing such as \"purpose,\" \"will,\" etc. That is why Jesus prays to the Father \"that they [Jesus' followers] may be one [hen, neuter] just as we are one [hen - neuter].\" - Jn 17:22.\n\nJesus, the Father, and Jesus' followers are all one [hen, neuter] in something. Of course they are all united in the Father's will and purpose !\n\nEven though Christians have one will with Jesus and the Father, it certainly is not their wills which dominate; it is the will of the Father which they make their will also. And Jesus, too, subordinates his will to that of the Father so that, therefore, their will and purpose become one: the Father's alone. (\"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.\" - Luke 22:42, NIV. cf. Mark 14:36.)\n\nThere is no way that Jesus would pray at Jn 17:22 that Christians may be one \"just as we (Jesus and the Father) are one\" if he were truly God. In that case he would be praying that these Christians become \"equally God\" with him and the Father !"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nWhat do you make of past prophets’ prophesies of a messianic era in which God Himself is the Israelites’ teacher (as opposed to “mere prophets”)? Do you think they are fulfilled in Christ?\nIsaiah 54:13 - \"All your children shall be taught by the Lord, and great shall be the peace of your children.\"\nJeremiah 31:33-34 - \"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and remember their sin no more.\"\nMicah 4:2 - \"In days to come the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised up above the hills. Peoples shall stream to it, and many nations shall come and say: 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.\""}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>59\n>It's the corrupted texts that remove those phrases and verses.\nWhat? You think its more plausible that someone actively removed phrases in the older manuscripts? To me, it seems more plausible that they didnt exist before the TR."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>54\n>God is first, Jesus second\n>but we also put Jesus first guys, trust me\n>he is second though\nLol, who is being fooled?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nI have already answered this here:\n>>64\n\nI will repeat myself: there is absolutely no contradiction if you remember that Jesus REPRESENTED HIS FATHER, spoke the Father’s words, and did the Father’s works. (John 14:10, 11; John 12:28, 44-49.)\n\nIt is extremely important to realize that Jehovah did not send just ANYONE of even ANY ANGEL to rescue mankind.\n\nHe made the SUPREME sacrifice of sending his only-begotten SON, “the one he was specially fond of.”—Proverbs 8:30; John 3:16.”\n\nThis is true because:\n\nONLY Jehovah’s firstborn Son could measure up to the special needs of the situation involving sinful mankind.\n\nHe is such an image of his heavenly Father in showing affection for members of the divinely produced family that he is WITHOUT EQUAL among the sons of God !!!\n\nSince all other intelligent creatures were brought into existence by means of him, his affection for them would certainly be abundant"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n\nDoes Jesus obey God yes or no ? If the answer is yes, then God is first and Jesus is second as I said.\n\nThe only way you can disagree with me, is if you believe that the Father submits to the Son. You don't believe that, do you anon ?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\n>You think its more plausible that someone actively removed phrases in the older manuscripts?\nYes, and in certain cases it is proven and accepted that they did. For instance, when the ancient papyrus P57 was discovered, the Nestle-Aland Greek text restored several verses in Luke chapter 24 which were found on that papyrus, but are missing in the Alexandrian text.\n\nSpecifically, the Nestle and Nestle-Aland text, from 1898 to 1979, had formerly removed eight full verses from Luke chapter 24 (3, 6, 9, 12, 36, 40, 51-52) but these verses were later reinserted in editions after 1979 due to the discovery of the papyrus fragment called \"p75.\" However, we also know that based on the TR these verses existed all along."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>P57\nSorry, meant to say P75. I always get those confused."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nThe prophets didn’t prophesy that there would be a mere mouthpiece or a mere prophet of God to teach the nations in the messianic era, they prophesied that in the messianic era the nations would know and learn from God HIMSELF. Do you foresee a future time in which Jehovah teaches the people directly Himself or do you deny those prophesies?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\n>The only way you can [put Jesus first in an unqualified way] is if you believe that the Father submits to the Son\nIncorrect statement. Why? Not if they are unified perfectly."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nHebrews 1:3 says that Jesus is the exact image, or copy, of God.\n\nSo yes, talking to Jesus was like talking to Jehovah himself.\n\nWhen you have a son, he's essentially a copy of you or at least in some sense a pretty close replica, but he doesn't know as much as you, he's not as strong as you, he doesn't have the same degree of attributes. He's a baby, a child and he'll never have the same age or knowledge as you.\n\nSo things like omnipotence and omniscience are not the kinds of things we would properly associate with the act of copying or reproduction, and so it's really not a difficult concept to grasp once you look at it in terms of how we typically deal with replication.\n\nThese are not my words, btw, those are the words of Paul in relation to Christ being a copy of God's being."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nYes, they unified perfectly. That still doesn't make Jesus equal to God. Jesus submits to God perfectly.\n\nHe is the exact opposite of Adam."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>When you have a son, he's essentially a copy of you or at least in some sense a pretty close replica, but he doesn't know as much as you, he's not as strong as you, he doesn't have the same degree of attributes. He's a baby, a child and he'll never have the same age or knowledge as you.\nBased on this dramatic difference you have articulated, it sounds like learning from and knowing Jehovah would be MUCH different from learning from and knowing Christ. Do you foresee a future time in which Jehovah teaches the people directly Himself or do you deny those prophesies?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>Based on this dramatic difference you have articulated, it sounds like learning from and knowing Jehovah would be MUCH different from learning from and knowing Christ\n\nNo, since Jesus perfectly reflected the personality of his Father, Jehovah God, he could rightly say: “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also.”—John 14:9.\n\n>Do you foresee a future time in which Jehovah teaches the people directly Himself or do you deny those prophesies?\n\nThe prophets were talking about Jesus."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\n>Yes, they unified perfectly\nIf they are unified perfectly then putting Jesus first is the same as putting God first, you agree with that right? You don’t think that Christ and Jehovah are unified perfectly though so I could see why you’d think this, if you only see Christ as a “pretty close replica” of Jehovah then you essentially see him as a knockoff or like some sort of consolation prize to the real deal. If that’s the case then putting him first would be very bad indeed."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nIf “the prophets were all talking about Jesus”, then does that mean they weren’t talking about Jehovah?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\n1 Corinthians 11:3\n“But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God.”\n\nWho is first in the hierarchy according to the Bible ?\n\n>>90\nLet me ask you a question. Who is it that came to see Jesus and ask him to heal the centurion's servant ?\n\nWas it the centurion himself or someone else ?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>1 Corinthians 11:3\nAre you using that verse to prove that they are not perfectly unified, or are you using that verse to prove that if they are perfectly unified, placing Jesus’ doctrine atop the hierarchy is somehow taking away from the Father’s superiority and glory, rather than adding to it?\n\n>Let me ask you a question. Who is it that came to see Jesus and ask him to heal the centurion's servant ?\nThe centurion himself. \"Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed.\" Point?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>81\n>Yes, and in certain cases it is proven and accepted that they did.\nim talking about the verses in your image >>59"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nIt's strange that you would call the second most important person of the universe a \"knockoff\".\n\nLet me take you to John 1:1. The Greek koine says: Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος\n\nLiterally, it makes a distinction between \"THE GOD\" (ha theos) and \"god\" (theos)\n\nThe true God is “The God,” and those who are formed after Him are gods, images, as it were, of Him the prototype.\n\nBut the archetypal image of all these images is the Word of God, who was in the beginning with \"THE GOD\": Jesus Christ.\n\n>The centurion himself\n\nYet that's not at all what Luke 7:1-10 says\n\n\"When Jesus had finished saying all this to the people who were listening, he entered Capernaum. There a centurion's servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, \"This man deserves to have you do this, because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue.\" So Jesus went with them. He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: \"Lord, don't trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it.\" When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, \"I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.\" Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well.\"\n\nWhy did you say it was the Centurion ?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>It's strange that you would call the second most important person of the universe a \"knockoff\"\nIt’s strange that you think that someone thinking that Jesus is the first most important person, is somehow taking away from the Father’s superiority and glory, rather than adding to it.\n\n>Why did you say it was the Centurion ?\nI was reading from the Matthew account. Point?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>It’s strange that you think that someone thinking that Jesus is the first most important person, is somehow taking away from the Father’s superiority and glory, rather than adding to it.\n\nSo are you syaing that the Father is not greater than the Son ?\n\n>I was reading from the Matthew account. Point?\n\nWhy does Matthew say it was the Centurion while Luke says it was people sent by him and the Centurion never met Jesus face to face ?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\n>So are you syaing that the Father is not greater than the Son ?\nIn some respects, but in terms of “importance” and “priority” I see them as co-equal, and you see this as disrespectful to Jehovah. My claim is that your claim is disrespectful to Jesus.\n\n>Why does Matthew say it was the Centurion while Luke says it was people sent by him and the Centurion never met Jesus face to face ?\nThere may be a deep reason, but it’s a mystery to me, why?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>93\nI showed that they went for 81 years thinking that Luke 24 was missing all of those verses and then changed their mind later and admitted that they were there. That shows that everyone accepts the fact that those verses were removed from the Alexandrian texts, which still lack them. The case is similar with the other removed (and in some cases, changed or added) phrases elsewhere in the New Testament by those same sources.\n\nBy the way, there are sources in both manuscript and other forms (Scripture quotes by various historical writers, and ancient translations), both older than Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, and that help ground the Textus Receptus in history, in addition to the main line of Greek manuscripts. For instance, Tatian's Diatessaron (c. 170) includes the Long Ending of Mark as found in the TR. This is far older than the Vaticanus or Sinaiticus which omit those twelve verses. In addition, Justin Martyr mentioned Mark 16:20 in chapter 45 of the first apology, and Irenaeus furthermore quotes directly from Mark 16:19 in \"Against Heresies\" Book 3 chapter 10 (c. AD 180). All of these references are far older than Vaticanus or Siniaiticus and show that Mark 16:9-20 was ancient and considered scripture by these people.\n\nUnfortunately, modern translations tend to ignore or misrepresent this evidence, even though there are only two ancient manuscripts (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus) that leave out those 12 verses. All other Greek manuscripts (over 99% of Greek manuscripts of Mark) include it. Yet, people who reject Mark 16:9-20 routinely misrepresent this information. They want to follow just two bad witnesses and will do it by any means necessary. By the way, the scribes of Vaticanus also left a large blank space at the end of Mark, which is conspicuous as none of the other Gospels were accorded such a large blank space (called a lacuna) where additional text could be added. It is almost as if the scribe wanted to write the verses, but could not for some reason."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>In some respects, but in terms of “importance” and “priority” I see them as co-equal, and you see this as disrespectful to Jehovah. My claim is that your claim is disrespectful to Jesus.\n\nI think you view actually degrades Jesus when you teach that he was God in the flesh\n\nConsider the following: some workers make a request of their supervisor, but he says that he does not have the authority to grant it. If his statement is true, the supervisor has wisely displayed an awareness of his limitations. If it is not true—if he can grant the request but simply chooses not to—he has been deceptive.\n\nNow, how did Jesus respond when two of his apostles desired positions of prominence ?\n\nHe told them: “This sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” (Matthew 20:23)\n\nIf Jesus were really God, would that not have been a lie ?\n\nInstead, by deferring to the One with greater authority, Jesus set a beautiful example in modesty—and he showed that he was not equal to God."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nthis just tells me that modern bibles are working with most recent found evidence and the TR still has added verses not found in the original manuscripts."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nJesus was telling the truth. It is precisely through his absolute submission to the Father and unwillingness to take advantage of his position, that he has every worthiness to be afforded primacy in all things, alongside God the Father, to God the Father’s glory. You are missing the glory of both Jesus Christ and his God if you think that it’s disrespectful to both of them to acknowledge what they actually are, which is both fully God."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>97\n>There may be a deep reason, but it’s a mystery to me, why?\n\nThen let me tell you why.\n\nthis an example of what is called AGENCY or SHALIAH.\n\nThis is how agency or shaliah works:\n\n\"The main point of the Jewish law of agency is expressed in the dictum, \"A person's agent is regarded as the person himself. Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principle.\"\n\nThe Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowski and Geoffrey Wigoder\n---\n\nGRB Murray (in _Gospel of Life: Theology in the Fourth Gospel_ ) cites the Jewish halachic law as follows: \"One sent is as he who sent him.\" He then adds: \"The messenger [the SHALIACH] is thereby granted authority and dignity by virtue of his bearing the status of the one who sent him. This is the more remarkable when it is borne in mind that in earlier times the messenger was commonly a slave\" (Murray 18).\n\nIn Jewish law, a shaliaḥ is a LEGAL AGENT. In practice, \"the shaliaḥ for a person is as this person himself.\" Accordingly, a shaliaḥ performs an act of legal significance for the benefit of the sender, as opposed to him or herself. So this is in a legal sense not a ontological sense."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nPoint?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\n“Those honoring me I shall honor,” says God. (1 Samuel 2:30)\n\nDoes it honor God to call anyone his equal ?\n\nNo, this ideas insult God. No one is his equal."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nat first blush, we might conclude from Matthew’s account that the centurion came himself; whereas it is clear there was the intervention of both Jewish elders and friends from Luke’s account.\n\nThe centurion has adressed Jesus indirectly through elders and friends\n\nThe clue to it is that old and well-attested maxim of law that what one does by another one does by oneself (often mentioned in Scripture: 2 Samuel 3:18, 14:19; 2 Kings 14:27; Esther 8:8; Ezra 1:7–8).\n\nNow apply the same thing for the peophecies concerning Jesus."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>Does it honor God to call anyone his equal ?\nCalling Jesus Christ God’s equal is to God’s glory, because the glory of Christ is infinite and perfect. Do you disagree that Jesus Christ has a glory which is both infinite and perfect? This is what I’m telling you that you’re missing out on, a vision of the glory of God."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nWhere does it say that Jesus is equal to the Father ? It does not."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nVery odd argument. I think it serves to cap the glory of Jesus Christ (and thus of God) to say this."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>6\nits not a woman and he will never date you"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\n>Where does it say that Jesus is equal to the Father ? It does not.\nThe entire Gospels are viewed as an attestation of a person who has a glory that only the one true God could have, this is what Christians find in the Gospel accounts, and why you’re not commonly considered Christians (because you don’t find infinite and perfect glory in Christ)"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>108\nthe apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.”\n\nObviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position ? —Philippians 2:9."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nA superior position to being hung on a tree?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nThe Bible says that Jesus ascended into heaven to sit at Jehovah's right hand until he would become the promised king of God's heavenly kingdom.\n\nYet even as king of God's kingdom, Jesus remains subordinate to God."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nSo he wasn't God when he was hung on a tree ?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\nI’m sorry you don’t yet see the full glory of God in Christ Anon, I will pray for you."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nI'm sorry you worship three persons as Gods, I will pray for you."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>114\nYou don’t believe that God was hung on a tree, I am sure you would find it very scandalous, just like Jews and Muslims. But it’s to God’s glory—this is what Christians believe."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nWhere does it say God wa hung on a tree ?\n\nIt says the Son of God. True Christians believe that God cannot die."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>True Christians believe that God cannot die.\nGod can’t! That’s how God destroyed death, by dying, because when life dies it’s death that dies, y’see."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nGod cannot die. Jesus died. God =/= Jesus"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nGod is the saviour, who went to hades the realm of the dead to rescue the souls trapped there, that’s the teaching."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nNot in the Bible"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n\"I will give thanks to you, O LORD, for though you were angry with me, your anger turned away, that you might comfort me. Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the LORD GOD is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.\" - Isaiah 12:1-2\n\"The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him. The LORD is the strength of his people; he is the saving refuge of his anointed.\" - Psalm 28:7-8\n\"Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior.\" - Hosea 13:4\n\"But I am the LORD your God, from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior.\" - Hosea 13:4\n\"For you are my rock and my fortress; and for your name's sake you lead me and guide me; you take me out of the net they have hidden for me, for you are my refuge. Into your hand I commit my spirit; you have redeemed me, O LORD, faithful God.\" - Psalm 31:3-5\n\"The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock, and exalted be the God of my salvation.\" - Psalm 18:46\n\"I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.\" - Isaiah 43:11\n\"For the LORD is our judge; the LORD is our lawgiver; the LORD is our king; he will save us.\" - Isaiah 33:22"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nThe Bible identifies God as the primary source of salvation, often referring to him as “Savior.” (1 Samuel 10:19; Isaiah 43:11; Titus 2:10; Jude 25)\n\nIn addition, God used various men to deliver the ancient nation of Israel, and the Bible calls them “saviors.” (Nehemiah 9:27; Judges 3:9, 15; 2 Kings 13:5)\n\nLikewise, since God provides salvation from sin through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Bible refers to Jesus as “Savior.”—Acts 5:31; Titus 1:4.\n\nNEXT."}, {"id": 125, "content": "we should have the death penalty for JWs"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>122\n>>121\nCan you Christ-tards STFU already?\nJust kill yourselves already.\nWhat pointless bullshit."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\n\"The time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.\" (John 16:2)\n\nsasuga"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nDo you have a good reason for why you are identifying Jesus as God limits the glory of God, other than a simple verse about Jesus calling the Father superior? Do you have a deep, theologically compelling, logical reason, for why three persons in one Godhead diminishes the glory of the one Jehovah?"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nDo you believe God Almighty has a God above him that is superior ro him ?"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nSo it would disgrace God to resemble Jesus in the sense of having a superior? Do you see Jesus’ “inferiority” as his fault or something?"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nAnswer the question brah\n\nDo you believe God Almighty has a God above him that is superior ro him ?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nYes, I believe that, God exists as three persons, and the Father is greater than the other two, being their source, and the monarchical principle of the Godhead, such that you could say that technically, “God is superior to God”. N.b. First that God is literally not bound by logic. Secondly, I don’t think the monarchical nature of the godhead (the superiority of the Father, the “inferiority” of the Son and the Spirit) as flaws or as diminishing the divinity of either the Son or the Spirit. You apparently do, why?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nNotice how none of this is in the Bible"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nWe distill the meaning of scripture through the Christian holy tradition, which you are firmly outside of, unfortunately. At the end of the day, our Gospel is that God has offered Himself to us in Christ."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\nThe Father, Son, and Spirit are essential in creation and salvation, but that in itself does NOT confirm that the three are each co-equal or co-eternal. Jehovah God is only explicitly identified as \"ONE\" (1) in the Bible, and the doctrine of the Trinity, which word literally meaning a set of three, ascribes a co-equal threeness to the being of the infinite God that is not scriptural."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\n>Jehovah God is only explicitly identified as \"ONE\" (1) in the Bible\nWhy does He go by so many different names then?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>132\nKeep in mind anon that it says in Colossians 2:9, \"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.\"\n\nThis is talking about the deity of Christ again (\"him\" = Christ in verse 8), and it is referring to the fact that the Son is fully God. I wouldn't say therefore that He is inferior to Himself. Rather, what is discussed in the Gospel (i.e. \"My Father is greater than I\") is simply that the Son is fully in obedience to the Father. But despite this difference in roles, all three persons of the Godhead are co-equal and One in substance. This follows from the fact that Jesus Christ draws an equivalence between Himself and the Father in John 10:28-30. The fact that no one can pluck them out of the Father's hand is equivalent to the fact that no one can pluck them out of His own hand (notice the contrast in this passage.)\n\n\"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.\n29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.\n30 I and my Father are one.\"\n\nSince He is God, and so is the Father, it has the same meaning whether you refer to Jesus' hand or the Father's hand: it is still God either way.\n\nAnother passage we could go to is Acts 20:28, which says,\n\"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.\"\n\nHere we see the fact that the church was purchased with \"His own blood,\" in reference to the fact that Jesus Christ is divine, as He is referred to as God here, similar to Hebrews 1:8 and Philippians 2:6, and also John 1:1 and other passages of Scripture as well.\n\nAlso in First Timothy 3:16 (KJV) it says, \"God was manifest in the flesh.\" Notice, it says GOD was manifest in the flesh. This corroborates with what John said in John chapter 1 and in all other passages referring to the deity of Christ."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>136\nDoes not\n\nAlthough God has many titles (like LORD or Father), he has only ONE personal name.\n\n“I am Jehovah. That is my name.” (Isaiah 42:8)\n\nThe name Jehovah appears some 7,000 times in the Holy Scriptures"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>137\n>Colossians 2:9\n\nThe context shows that having this “divine quality” does not make Jesus Christ equal to God Almighty, as some claim.\n\nIn the preceding chapter, Paul states: “God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him,” that is, in Christ. (Col 1:19)\n\nSo the Father is the one who caused Christ to have “the fullness of the divine quality.”\n\nAt Col 1:15, Paul says that Jesus “is the image of the invisible God,” not God himself. Col 1:19-22 describes the reconciliation that God brings about through Christ, and Col 2:12 shows that God raised him from the dead. Furthermore, Paul later says that “Christ is seated at the right hand of God.” (Col 3:1)\n\nThese statements show that possession of this “fullness” does not make Jesus Christ identical with God, the Almighty.\n\nThe “divine quality” includes all the excelling qualities of Jesus’ heavenly Father and God, and these also dwell in Christ. The Greek word (the·oʹtes), which occurs only here in the Christian Greek Scriptures, is derived from the Greek word for “god,” the·osʹ, but is different in meaning. Many lexicons give such definitions as “divine character; divine nature; divinity.”\n\nThe term was used by ancient Greek writers to describe a quality or condition that could be obtained or lost as a result of one’s behavior. Obviously, then, such a term was applied to created beings and not exclusively to the almighty and eternal God, Jehovah. So there is solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes to refer to a divine quality rather than to God himself."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nIn Colossians 2:9 it doesn't simply say \"fullness\" anon, it says \"fullness of the Godhead.\"\n\nLearn to read and for once stop misleading others constantly."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\n>Acts 20:28\n\nGrammatically, the Greek expression could be translated “with the blood of his own” or “with his own blood,” so the context has to be taken into consideration. In Greek, the expression ho iʹdi·os (“his own”) could stand alone without a clarifying noun or pronoun, as seen by how it is rendered at Joh 1:11 (“his own home”); at Joh 13:1 (“his own”); at Ac 4:23 (“their own people”); and at Ac 24:23 (“his people”).\n\nIn non-Biblical Greek papyri, the phrase is used as a term of endearment to refer to close relatives.\n\nA reader of this verse would logically understand from the context that a noun in the singular number is implied after the expression “his own” and that the noun referred to God’s only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, whose blood was shed. Based on this, quite a number of scholars and translators acknowledge that the word “son” is to be understood here and render the phrase “with the blood of his own Son.”\n\n>Timothy 3:16\n\nBecause Sinaiticus was among the oldest original-language manuscripts, it not only revealed that the Greek Scriptures had remained essentially unchanged but also helped scholars to uncover errors that had crept into later manuscripts. For example, the reference to Jesus at 1 Timothy 3:16 in Sinaiticus reads: “He was made manifest in the flesh.” In place of “he,” the majority of then-known manuscripts showed an abbreviation for “God,” made by a small alteration of the Greek word for “he.”\n\nHowever, Sinaiticus was made many years before any Greek manuscript reading “God.” Thus, it revealed that there had been a later corruption of the text, evidently introduced to support the Trinity doctrine.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Timothy_3"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\n\n\"\nTheotes simply does not literally mean \"godhead,\" and the use of \"godhead\" by the KJV translators was not intended as some would understand it today."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nNo, again, there has been no such corruption. First Timothy 3:16 says, \"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.\"\n\nJust as First John 5:7-8 indeed says:\n\"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.\nAnd there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.\"\n\nAs was mentioned before.\n\n>>142\nYes it means exactly what it says anon."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>138\nThere are numerous names for God in the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Here are some of the most common ones:\n\nΚύριος (Kyrios) - \"Lord\"\nΘεός (Theos) - \"God\"\nΠατήρ (Pater) - \"Father\"\nΠαντοκράτωρ (Pantokrator) - \"Almighty\"\nΣωτήρ (Soter) - \"Savior\"\nΕλ Σαδδαϊ (El Shaddai) - \"God Almighty\"\nΕγώ είμι (Ego eimi) - \"I am\"\nΑγαθός (Agathos) - \"Good\"\nΣταυρός (Stavros) - \"Cross\"\nΆγιος (Agios) - \"Holy\"\nΦως (Phos) - \"Light\"\nΆρχων (Archon) - \"Ruler\"\nΠοιμήν (Poimen) - \"Shepherd\"\nΚτίστης (Ktistes) - \"Creator\"\nΠνεύμα (Pneuma) - \"Spirit\"\n\nThis is not an exhaustive list, as there are many other names for God used in the Septuagint. This proves that God exists in pluralities and is not limited to being called only one thing."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>127\nHe wasnt talking about you here"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>144\nThese are titles, not names.\n\n“I am Jehovah. That is my name.”—Isaiah 42:8"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\nYes he was"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\nMany titles and forms and faces challenge your dubious assertion that ‘Jehovah God is only explicitly identified as \"ONE\" (1)’ in the Bible."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>143\nLiddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon defines the·o´tes in basically the same way it does thei·o´tes, as meaning \"divinity, divine nature.\" (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as \"divinity.\"\n\nAs for Timothy 3:16, scholars are unanimous that it is pseudepigraphical"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nWhy don't you stop hawking your nonsense and lies here, anon?"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>148\nHow do you go from \"God has many titles\" and \"God is one\" to \"that means God is three persons\" ?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>150\nWhy don't YOU ?\n\nGod of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity\n\n“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.\n“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nSee Genesis 1:26 and Revelation 1:4-5."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\nYou don’t, but your God (who cannot be multi-faceted, who there can be no associated multiplicities with) is an oversimplified cartoon character named Jehovah."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\nBy means of Jesus, “all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth.” (Colossians 1:16)\n\nJesus reflects Jehovah’s personality—“he is the image of the invisible God.” (Colossians 1:15) Fittingly, then, God could say to Jesus: “Let us make man in our image.”\n\n>Revelation 1:4-5\n\nWhat about it ?"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\nJehovah is the eternal creator and sustainer of the universe. Jehovah is perfect, singular, immortal, omnipotent, and omniscient, completely infinite in all of his attributes\n\nHe is the God of Jesus."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>156\n>Jesus is the eternal creator and sustainer of the universe. Jesus is perfect, singular, immortal, and (in his resurrection) omnipotent, omniscient, completely infinite in all of his attributes\nThis is what traditional Christians find in the Jesus of the Gospels."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\n>No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nAt this point, I believe the Son knows lol"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nDo the angels know too ?"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nIf Jesus wanted to say “only God knows” he would have said that, which would have implied he’s not God, but he didn’t."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\n>No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>155\n>Fittingly, then, God could say to Jesus: “Let us make man in our image.”\nSee Genesis 1:27 though.\n\n\"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.\" - (Gen. 1:27)\n\nAs anyone can see, when God said, \"Let us make man in our image, after OUR likeness,\" in Genesis 1:26, as previously mentioned, this refers to the image of God. It explicitly says this in Genesis 1:27, which is that \"His own image\" is the image of God the Son, God's own image, and this is our only Lord God. And God created them in His own image, which is the image of God the Son, meaning that He Himself is God according to this passage in Genesis 1.\n\nJust as it says in John 1:1, \"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.\" This is again referring to the Son, who is co-eternal with the Father, as stated by Jesus Himself in John 17:5 and in John 17:24, referring to the deity (Colossians 2:9) and to the eternal pre-existence of the Son, who is the Word of God. He is referred to as God in John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8, Philippians 2:6, First Timothy 3:16, Matthew 28:19, Acts 20:28 and many more places (too many to list, Luke 18:19, 1 John 5:7, John 11:4, Titus 2:13, Revelation 1:11, 1 John 4:2 comp. John 1:14, etc.) throughout the Authorized version of the Bible. This is true even if others have tried to remove these things, which they have."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\nExtra knowledge with one of the person’s at that moment in time proves that God is not multi-faceted, what? How, why?"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nThe fact that God the Son was manifested in the flesh and grew in wisdom and stature (\"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.\" - Luke 2:52), does not contradict the fact that in His divine nature, He is omniscient and omnipresent. Jesus even refers to the omnipresence of the Son in John 3:13 and Luke 23:43. The limitations of human nature only apply to the human nature of God the Son while He is manifest in the flesh, but not to the divine nature which He also possesses, at all times, as well. This is basically what can be gathered from the New Testament about these things."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\nAlso the omniscience of the Son is referred to in Matthew 9:4, John 2:24 (But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,) and referenced by Peter in John 21:17."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>165\n>>166\nYes, hence why I say\n>Jesus is the eternal creator and sustainer of the universe. Jesus is perfect, singular, immortal, and (in his resurrection) omnipotent, omniscient, completely infinite in all of his attributes\nThis is what traditional Christians find in the Gospels, the same traits this Witness attributed to their Jehovah. Anyways, engaging with them is giving me nausea so I think I’ll stop."}, {"id": 168, "content": "What the fuck bros?\nIsaiah 9:6\n>For a child has been born for us,\n>a son given to us;\n>authority rests upon his shoulders,\n>and he is named\n>Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,\n>Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.\nCan someone explain this to me?\nDid the Hebrews in the time of Isaiah have a habit of naming their kids names like 'Mighty God' or 'Everlasting Father'? It doesn't make much sense otherwise\nSo we have a special but human child born in Isaiah's day 'for a child has been born for us' and then there's the dual prophecy concerning Jesus who truly fulfils these names being God who is born latter on\n>Wonderful Counselor\nThat sounds like the Holy Spirit\n>Everlasting Father\nThat sounds like the Father\n>Prince of Peace\nThat sounds like the Son as Messiah\nObviously Mighty God is just God\nHow is this not a clear cut case?"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Wasn't he killed literally for calling himself G_d?\nNo. He was killed literally for not denying he thought he was the messiah."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>168\nDon't forget you also have the prophecies about the Lord being physically present while building up Zion.\n\n\"The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.\"\n- Zephaniah 3:15\n\n\"When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.\nHe will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.\nThis shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.\nFor he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;\nTo hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;\nTo declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;\nWhen the people are gathered together, and the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.\"\n- Psalm 102:16-22\n\nThen you have the prophecies like the ones in Daniel.\n\n\"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.\nAnd there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.\"\n- Daniel 7:13-14\n\n\"Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.\nHe answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.\"\n- Daniel 3:24-25"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\nAnd here's two speaking about the Resurrection.\n\n\"Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.\nAfter two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.\"\n- Hosea 6:1-2\n\n\"For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:\nAnd though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:\"\n- Job 19:25-26\n\n\"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?\nEvery word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.\"\n- Proverbs 30:4-5\n\n\"Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.\nKiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.\"\n- Psalm 2:11-12"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe trinity is a later invention. Just like heaven and pretty much everything else in the christcuck religion."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYOUR ATTENTION LADIES AND GENTLEMEN\nDoes anyone here have the meme where Jesus says something about cutting off your penis to avoid temptation and the basedjak says that's obviously a metaphor, and when Jesus says \"I'm God\" he says \"wow so true and literal\"? Could you post it please?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Marx seethe about him so much, he wasn't even relevant?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarx knew Stirner had effectively obliterated his humanist position and it is no surprise that after attempting (and failing) to counter Stirner he shifted his study to hard economics and away from his original position. Stirner is directly responsible for the divide between Marx's early and later work."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarx was seething over damn near everything. Have you read the guy?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>be angry schizo\n>become a commie\nMany such cases"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nwell said"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid this guy even exist?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYeah, his real name was Johann Kaspar Schmidt. However there are some schizo theories that Max Stirner was just an alies of Frederick Engels, lol. They say that apparently he wanted to write about egoist philosophy but he couldn't do it under his real name because he was already associated with Marx and so on. So he invented the character of Max Stirner. Also, the only depiction of Max Stirner that exists (that we know of) is a drawing by Frederick Engels. They belonged to the same group of Hegelian intellectuals (Left Hegelians/Young Hegelians) and so they would often meet and discuss. So I guess I can see why some people theoretize that it's possible that Max Stirner was just a character invented by Engels, but it's not possible when you look into it. There are sources about Stirner outside of Engels and Marx. He was married, he had a funeral, he was employed at a school, the milk shop thing, and other stuff.\nTL;DR: he was real"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">ywn avenge your very good hard playing best friend but later you realize you overreacted and the real kleos was the friends we made a long the way.\n\nThat being said I just read this and it really was the Marvel of its day."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nin minecraft"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I was doing a wiki-walk on Elder Scrolls lore when I came across the concept of their universe/reality as \"a wheel, but when you view it from the side it becomes a tower\", and at a later point I was reminded of Ezekiel's vision of the throne of God consisting of \"wheels within wheels\" and I suddenly saw in my mind's eye that the figure of wheels set within each other intersecting produces a shape of none other than a cross.\nI find that pretty significant, & Humanitiesly speaking."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Good for you anon! Keep looking for nice astroatical stuff, you might find more cool things :)"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Two intersecting wheels is the structure presented by the equator and the ecliptic.\n\n>The entire compound was divided by him lengthways into two parts, which he united at the centre like the letter X, and bent into an inner and outer circle or sphere, cutting one another again at a point over against the point at which they cross.\n- Timaeus"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who is God's chosen people?\n\nIs it the jews or whoever accepts Jesus in their heart and converts? This is a very important matter, and I cannot get a convincing answer even from the pastors in my church. I find it unlikely that God can somehow belong to single ethnic, but reading through the Bible may lead someone to very difficult conclusion if we are welcome as christians or not. Sometimes, I find myself pondering if only the jews who converted to christianity are actually the chosen people - such as the first christians.\n\nCan anyone provide an educated answer? I won't be upset if I'm not part of His plan."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews in the Old Testament.\nJesus sacrificed himself to form a New Covenant with God and include/save everyone else, as long as they repent and accept Him."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's good to know.\n\nWhat is the source, though? I needed something in the Bible or at least some text from theologians with agreement on the matter."}, {"id": 4, "content": "God still has a plan for the Jewish people. Paul talks about this in Romans 11. That being said, the chosen people of God's new covenant are the church.\n\nHebrews 8:6-8\nBut now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.\n\nFor if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. For finding fault with them, He says,\n\n“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,\nWhen I will effect a new covenant\nWith the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;\n\n1 Peter 2:9-10\nBut you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.\n\nBasically, while God still intends for the chosen of the old covenant by association with Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, His new covenant supersedes that one in the respect that the people of the new covenant, chosen by association with Christ, are His new earthly priesthood. One of the missions of this new covenant chosen people (which includes Gentiles) is to bring the chosen of the old covenant back to God, as Paul says in Romans 11."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Israelites. Both Christians and Jews are gentiles LARPing as God's chosen people."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Have I made this Pepe? I don't recall it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nTHanks.\n\nI feel more hopeful."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>God still has a plan for the Jewish people. Paul talks about this in Romans 11\nTechnically, Paul doesn't mention Jews in this chapter, although he does in Romans 9. But even there in Romans 9, Paul emphasizes the fact that under the new covenant both Jews and gentiles (according to the flesh) are together.\n\n\"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:\nAnd that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,\nEven us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?\nAs he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.\nAnd it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.\"\n- Romans 9:22-26\n\nThis quote of \"Osee\" (Hosea) is found in chapter 1. It says the following: \"Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.\" (Hosea 1:10 KJV)\n\nSo according to the New Testament, God's people (and Israel) has been enlarged to accept those who were formerly Gentiles according to their blood. And also, those who were once in Israel are removed, as it says in Acts 3:22-23 for instance. This explains Paul's word in Romans 11 that is often discussed.\n\n\"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:\" (Romans 11:26)\n\nThis refers to the fact that the ungodly, those who reject Christ, will be \"turned away\" from Jacob. Consider that Paul calls the saints the \"Israel of God\" (in Galatians 6:16.) In any case, God bless."}, {"id": 9, "content": "The elect of every nation"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone and everyone. Unironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">French ruled for like 100 years\n>less than 1% of the population speak french\n>(partially) occupied by the US for like 15 years\n>60%+ of the population speak english\nExplain this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Vietnamese fucking hated and continue to hate the French a lot more than they hate Americans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy though"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVietnam tried to buddy up with the US because of enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend diplomacy starting with the Sino-Vietnamese War and getting increasingly strong over time.\n\nBut yeah the French treated most African colonies better than Indochina for some reason like >>2 said, so they wouldn't even speak French. Only French colonial legacy that comes to mind is they still love baguettes down there and they eat their big popular national sandwich (bahn mi) on baguettes"}, {"id": 5, "content": "English proficiency has mainly spread in Vietnam in the post-1986 duoi moi era, for the same reason English spread everywhere in the 1990s.\n\nNo different from why Indonesians speak more English than Dutch, or why more Manchurians today speak English than Russian.\n\nYes, obviously the US was important in Vietnam between the 1960s and 1975 and there were considerable numbers of Vietnamese who learned English during this period, but it wasn't decisive. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the average Vietnamese back then still was more likely to have good French than English."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nDoesn't it seem like generally East Asians don't do as well with European languages as people in other parts of the world? And it's not for lack of government efforts, given all the Davidos they've hired over the decades to teach them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nChinese \"we are the center of the world\" mindset mixed with the fact that most of East Asia was never colonized beyond modest trade networks or indirect rule.\n\n>all the Davidos they've hired over the decades to teach them\nI think the Japanese are better at English than people give them credit for. It's still immediately recognizable when they write in their own English as opposed to machine translation, something about the cadence and pragmatics of Japanese English is so different than that of any other English-speaking nation"}, {"id": 8, "content": "https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nFrench were notoriously awful colonial rulers. You'd think Americans killing well over 1 million Vietnamese in the war would make them the most hated enemy, but no. In the first place, the Vietnamese had tried to befriend the United States before turning to communist support, so it's not as though they were totally opposed to the US from an ideological standpoint. They just needed some kind of powerful backer to throw off French tyranny.\n\nThe US being one of the world's two superpowers during the Cold War, and the world's only hyper-power afterward, gave Vietnam a strong incentive to be friendly toward America in spite of old grievances. Whereas they have no such motivation to forgive France."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>9\nI don't know if this actually particularly true. Some of the British colonies in Asia like Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong seem to particularly not resent the former colonial power.\n\nBut most former colonial powers are at least resented somewhat, and I haven't seen anything anecdotal or otherwise that would suggest the Vietnamese particularly resent the French. And language proficiency is not really a great way to take stock, it usually more reflects how much the former colonial power settled the colony with its own people + the length of time they were there more than anything else.\n\nCan we really say North Africans have any particular affection for France just because they speak French? Do Angolans particularly love Portugal? Do Indians particularly love Britain?\n\n100 years is not a very long time, and there are many colonies ruled for a similar period of time where the natives didn't really pick up the language."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>British colonies in Asia like Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong\nWow, it's almost like those were all model colonies that were treated almost as well as settler colonies like Canada and Australia!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nParis Baguette is all over southern california. Also all vietnamese know of the popular 'Paris by Night' DVDs that their parents consume religiously."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nEast Asian languages are fundamentally different in both tones and sentence structure.\nThere are sounds that exist in Western languages that do not exist in Eastern ones, some studies have shown exposure to phonemes as a baby has almost permanent effects on the ability to generate those sounds as an adult."}, {"id": 14, "content": "If you willingly had the choice you'd avoid speaking French too makes you sound like a faggot"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nhong kong was so fucking kino\nhttps://youtu.be/JZh5BmcyXHo?t=276 [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish is the world's trade language and everyone learns it no matter what\nFrench is kinda useless unless you want to go to France or become a diplomat"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nSorry for blowing it out of proportion, I see your point"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Vietnam really hated the frogs\n>Frogs were always awful at colonial policies\n>Vietnam was also still underdeveloped making teaching French harder\n>English is also far more useful to learn due to it being the language of business in the modern world"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nNo they dont\nThe only people they really hate are the Chinese"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\n>>9\nYou're just making up shit.\nMost people in Vietnam don't have any strong opinion (be it positive or negative) regarding France. They've moved past it, like they moved past having America.\n\nI remember that one youtube video in which a vietnamese girl was having one of these DNA ancestry test. She was disappointed about having no French ancestry and the comment section was full of butthurt Americans telling her colonialism is evil and she should not fantasize about having colonist ancestors."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nStill think Woke America is gayer"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat are you talking about, almost no one in Vietnam speaks English outside of HCMC and even in HCMC it's jap tier proficiency"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nenglish is the lingua franca"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\n>that were treated almost as well as settler colonies like Canada and Australia!\nLol not even close. Hong Kong was a rancid shithole where the Brits often cracked on the people and openly made sure to keep child labour by lobbying the ILO."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou mean, they speak American, not English."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\n>Some of the British colonies in Asia like Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong seem to particularly not resent the former colonial power.\nBecause in HK it's hard to bring up the issues and problems in British HK when so many Young/Zoomer HK people think you have pro-PRC sentiments or use nostalgia as way to stick it to the PRC even if historically Chinese in HK only got democracy at the very end of British rile"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>60%+ of the population speak english\n\nLet me guess: you just hung around Saigon right?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nAnd yet it was/is somehow still preferable to the populace there to being ruled by other Chinese. Fascinating"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nBecause it became good in the 70s"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>French ruled for like 100 years\n\nSouthern Vietnam was conquered in 1862\nCentral and Northern Vietnam were conquered in 1885\nFrance pretty much lost control of Vietnam when the japs took over it in 1940, so it gives about 80 years of French rule for the south and about 50 years for the rest of the country."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nNo they wanted independence. Britain only gave them democracy as a way to fuck over China and a lazy ditch attempt to garber support. China isn't ideal but Brirysh Hong Kong prior to democracy in the very late years was a crowded mess that inspired some of the more depressive take on fictional futuristic urban settings."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\nVietnamese zoomers don’t give a fuck about France lol"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nDoesn’t really address the point that the people of Hong Kong seem to prefer the (pseudo)independence offered by the British in later years to being ruled from Beijing, but then you know that already"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nColonialism or something"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>2\nNice headcanon"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\n>Only French colonial legacy that comes to mind is they still love baguettes down there and they eat their big popular national sandwich (bahn mi) on baguettes\nThey also have French cathedrals all around the place, inherited the Parisian street crossing culture, their writing was designed and taught to them by the French. The French law system as well.\nQuite a bit more than just some sandwiches."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Same with clothes. Want to know where these come from? Paris.\nToday the Vietnamese and Chinese 5 dong/yuan armies clash tirelessly we-wuzzing their French designed sexy clothing as the \"traditional' Mecca of beauty."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">dude Viets love America\nI keep hearing this but I doubt. I think they just dont really care anymore its been decades since the war"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\nno they don't\ndoesnt make sense either since a huge chunk of our modern daily culture is basically french"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>4\nalot of Vietnamese food is literally just french cooking with local ingredients combined with Chinese and Indian influence\nPho is just vietnamese version of french beef stew with rice noodles sticked in\nWe even have our version of crepe Banh Xeo and inherit french coffee culture\n\nFrench legacy goes further than food. People greet like the french, the capital architecture is primarily french, and our written language is literally the mutt of all written languages.\nI wouldnt be surprise in the future, the Vietnamese starts romanizing the French like what asian culture are doing today."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>People greet like the french\n\n?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>12\n>Paris by Night\nDamn lol. Memories with grandma."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>19\nvietnam was chinese land for centuries"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I highly recommend his TV documentary series for anyone interested in the holocaust beyond just the concentration camps. It wouldn't hurt for holocaust deniers to watch it too. It has lots of interesting information about how much of the holocaust was carried out in the Soviet Union by mobile units and not just deportations to concentration camps. The documentation is some of the best I've seen in a TV documentary. They interview witnesses, survivors, and perpetrators including a French Einsatzkommando. And they show photos, many of which were taken directly from Nazis, and which it is known who took the pictures, where, when and even the identities of some of the people in the photos. It's pretty dark stuff and not at all uplifting, but it's pretty much a must-watch for people interested in the subject."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow about something about why they did it?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngiwtwm\nInstead I must be confined in my wagie cagie cubicle asking for mohamed's proof of income."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI don't think it covers very much of why they did it. It does show German documents that discuss their plans to expand and Germanize the east and their desire for these new German areas to not have any Jews or communists in them though."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nKek\n>th-they just didn’t like them, ok?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe Nazis being antisemitic is absurd to you?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>kikes want you to believe that being racist is the same thing as shipping the entire population of a small country to a meat grinder and turning them into sausages\nhmm I wonder why they would want to do that"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWho mentioned turning people into sausages?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOh sorry, flagellating them with rubber dildos"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWho mentioned that either? Why are you talking about shit that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nNow you’re telling me that there is an international conspiracy going back almost 100 years to convince people that the Nazis turned millions of Jewish people into sausages?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nthey did it because they wanted their wealth\nimagine there is a group of people who are associetied with money, have no state and very well documented because of letters of birth\n>>1 (OP)\nholocaust was carried out mainly by mass executions, theres nothing new about that, for some reason somebody wants the population to believe it was all execution camps"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nI can see your huge nose from here."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nWar Land on the Eastern Front - Vejas Gabriel Liulevicius. Deals with the German experience of the East in the Great War, but anyone trying to understand how they - the Germans, not just the Nazis - viewed and acted in the East during the second war should read it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThe Rothschilds stole the dead jews wealth. The wealth was stored in Switzerland, on behalf of Rotschild. Reminder that Hitler was a Rotschild."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nWell why were they antisemitic?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nShow proof"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is “Orthodox” Christianity supposed to be self-ironic? There is no ‘Christian orthodoxy’ - Orthodoxy entails legalism and legalism is what Christ came to abolish."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo with Jehovah's Wiccans (JW), they'll never let you down."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat is the endgame of these posts? Is it some sort of long-running scientific experiment?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrthodoxy means \"right belief\" which Christianity of course has. What you're describing is orthopraxy, which is what the pagans focused on.\n>and legalism is what Christ came to abolish.\n>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOrthodoxy leans more towards legalism than orthopraxy does…"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNo it doesn't."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I refuse to believe anyone who knows this shit state's history isn't in some way or form self-hating. Even fucking Laos is less pathetic."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Imagine if Filipinos tried a stab at the Imperial game just like the Japs did."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthe philippines had a good chance at this since the spanish conquered them in the 16th century, as they would've known about the western world and its capabilities for far longer than the chinese or japanese did\ncertainly since independence from spain and america it would've gotten a shot\nin the 1990s the philippines was richer than china on average and was considered one of the asian \"tiger cubs\"\nwhy the philippines has repeatedly failed to seize every historical opportunity is a reflection of the (lack of) wisdom of its people"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>why the philippines has repeatedly failed to seize every historical opportunity is a reflection of the (lack of) wisdom of its people\nThe Spanish literally washed their identity and brains clean. Those fuckers were masters at cultural scorch earth."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>as they would've known about the western world and its capabilities for far longer than the chinese or japanese did\nMarco Polo's expedition, which had a significant effect on both Asia and Europe, occurred much earlier, anon."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan't think of another country that was cucked and raped into oblivion more than those poor fuckers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nMarco polo is the stuff of legends. Matteo Ricci is actually influential and went to China at a time when European knowledge was substantially ahead. Despite that the Qing believed right up until 1840 that Europeans didn't have any superior tech or knowledge. Then they claimed that actually all the new European science coming in was of ancient Chinese origin. Even in Japan, the Setsuma ban originally intended to kill all foreigners after overthrowing the Tokugawa in the 1860s, and only gave up on that goal after realizing it was impossible."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nOne of the Stan states could give them a run for their money."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nChina didn't wake up and realize that the west was a real thing that existed until it showed up, sold them dope and then kicked their ass in the century of humiliation. Even then they refused western thought until the 1920s. By comparison, the Philippines had a head start of around 400 years."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love how SEAcucks all pretend they're not bitches of greater powers in one way or another."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Be Filipino.\n>Accept that being colonized is part of your history & culture.\n>Your neighbors give you shit for it despite experiencing the same thing but pretends it didnt happen.\nDenying colonialism is way more pathetic"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nAll they got out of that is to become badly dogmatic Christcucks. They didn't use that to project power. It's like Filipinos are incapable of conquest, only being subjects."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>laughs in Thai\nFlip, I know your education system is dogshit but at least use your internet for more than Mobile Legends."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIm not a Flip.\n>laughs in thai\nYou were uncolonized by accident and yet still fail to be the region's power? Isn't that more pathetic?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nPhilippines would be a normal country if it's located in Latin America, but no it's located in Asia where all countries are huge muh ancestors muh culture heritagefags so Philippines stand out as weird one in the region"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>by accident\nYou don't stand the test of time being unconquered \"by accident.\" It takes competent and resourceful leadership plus knowledge of geopolitics. On the Flip side, it's more braindead to simply spread your asscheeks to the next Empire wanting to fuck you up."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nBy normal, you mean a dysfunctional Bolivarian-esque state? I mean, that's just trading stinky shit for another stinky shit."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI don't know what thats mean but whatever it is a Spanish leaning country in Asia is simply weird"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nYou act as if france and britain didn't just agree to let your shithole be as a buffer state. And carved the poace out like a turkey indirectly anyway."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nThailand"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nI have Flip friends. They identify more to being Asians, with some kooky ones as Pacific Islanders more than the Spics. You'll have to perform a statewide lobotomy program to even make headway with your argument."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nOh right and I'm sure that's the thinking when Ethiopia booted Italy out and not like they were starting to worry that the small brownies can actually put up a fight. It's not always about border carvings up in Versailles, retard."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nGood for them I guess, a revival of pre-Hispanic identity would be very interesting, I heard there's proposals to rename Philippine to Maharlika"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThey'd have to shed away their Christcuckery first which to them would probably be like pulling their entire teeth out of their mouths."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nThey literally made a treaty declaring you a fucking buffer state. No one fucking cared about your shithole."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nAre you talking about this?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Siamese_Treaty_of_1909\nIf so, France was not a party of it and nothing from your buffer state BS to support it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\n>You don't stand the test of time being unconquered \"by accident.\"\nI have ZERO knowledge of Thai history besides the King and I. However I do with China though and I seem to recall Qing armies bailing you out every time Burma conquers you. In any case France and Britain weren't gonna fight in a period where they were reaching a detente in the 1800s vs. Russa. Thais did nothing to influence that at all.\n\nOn top of all of that you may have escaped colonization but you still remain an impoverished shithole. The Filipinos have 2 colonial regimes and getting destroyed by WWII to blame, what do you guys have?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">muh spanish inquisition"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased krauts."}, {"id": 3, "content": "inquisition killed those it considered heretic, not wizards"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow adjust for per capita. Germany had basically half of Europe's population at the time."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor once: Based g*rms."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nWitch is a word of Germanic origins. Hence this is why the killings of witches took place in areas with Germanic populations.\n\nSpecifically the Protestant reformation coupled with the printing press leading to translations of the Bible not approved by the Catholic Church resulted in a resurgence of which hunts due to the “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” passage.\n\nThe Spanish Inquisition executed in its 300 year existence spanning multiple continents only executed ~3,000 people. The three most common reasons stated were Pederasty/Sodomy, Bestiality, & Currency Forgery. The majority of heretics repented."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah that's the misconception, the inquisition would actualy study the cases and see that there was nothing going on; of course they would still burn you alive if you were openly heretical"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Witch is a word of Germanic origins. Hence this is why the killings of witches took place in areas with Germanic populations.\nThe only Germanic populations with significant witchkillings are the Holy Roman Empire and Scotland. The other highest killings on your map are French (Romance) and Poles (Slavic with Baltic minorities.\nSweden and Norway have barely any killings and Denmark is fairly low too. England is also pretty light, especially given its population.\nAdjust for per capita and it's only really Scotland and Germany that have significant killrates.\nMost of the Germanic world didn't participate in the hysteria at all."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>6\nFrom what I've read as well it varied significantly within the HRE too. Regions like the Netherlands barely participated in witchhunts and stopped them very early. Southern German Catholic regions were more vociferous and participated in many mass witchhunts.\nIt really varied from region to region."}, {"id": 10, "content": "based\nWitches were basically pussy riot unhinged feminists, who would smear themselves with period blood and constantly talk about how they got raped by men, who passed them and it turns out later they were just having rape dreams and attributed them to the devil raping them in their sleep.\nThey were spiteful mutants"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThey literally killed babies and used their organs for magic potions that they thought would give them control over the world and men.\nModern witchcraft is alive and well through legalized, ritualized abortion and feminism."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>France\n“The Lex Salica was a similar body of law to the Lex Burgundionum. It was compiled between 507 and 511 AD. The body of law deals with many different aspects of Frank society.”\n\n“The code was originally brought about by the Frankish King Clovis.”\n\n“The law uses capital punishment only in cases of witchcraft and poisoning.”\n\nIt should be noted that when it was adopted Franks & Romans were governed by separate laws\n\n>Poland\n\nFirst time I see anyone deny there being any Germans living in Poland. Especially since that map includes West & East Prussia as well as most of the Baltics in the Polish numbers.\n\nMany German colonists were allowed to settle in Poland by the Polish King from as early as the 11th century. There is even a term for it called Walddeutsche or Głuchoniemcy in Polish."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>when it was adopted\nYes in the 500s. 1000 years before the period we're talking about. The Frankish language was long dead before the witchhunts and the Franks were but a distant memory.\n\n>First time I see anyone deny there being any Germans living in Poland.\nThe country was overwhelmingly Slavic and Baltic. Having a tiny Germanic minority is about as relevant as its tiny Jewish minority. Do you think Poland was a Semitic country too?\n\nYou're really coping hard and ignoring the Scandinavian countries and England's low killing rates. Well over half the Germanic world had average or lower rates of witchhunts."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>>12\nAre you going to claim Denmark, Sweden and Norway are less Germanic than Poland and France now? Come on, make my day, I'm waiting... it's /his/ afterall. No low is too low for the retards browsing here to stoop to."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey killed mostly heretics, not many witches"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>1000s years before\n\nSo? It was not abolished until the French Revolution as was the norm for most of human history.\n\nAmerican Common Law will bring up precedence that predates the Founding, even going as far back to England before the first colony was founded. The abortion debate saw the Supreme Court examine New England Puritan laws on the subject from the 17th century.\n\n>Poland was mostly Slavic\n\nYes, and the witch hunts took place overwhelmingly in the western regions near the Holy Roman Empire where the German populations were concentrated.\n\n\nIt is undeniable to say that witch hunts did not spread to other cultures, but it is also undeniable that witches originate in Germanic paganism."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>but it is also undeniable that witches originate in Germanic paganism.\nThat's completely deniable. If you mean the word 'witch' has its origins in a Germanic word, sure. But the concept of a witch is orders of magnitude older than the Proto-Germanic language itself or even Proto-Indo-European.\nIdiot."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>>16\n>The belief in sorcery and its practice seem to have been widespread in the ancient Near East and Nile Valley. It played a conspicuous role in the cultures of ancient Egypt and in Babylonia. The latter tradition included an Akkadian anti-witchcraft ritual, the Maqlû. A section from the Code of Hammurabi (about 2000 BC) prescribes"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nPoland had a population over 5 times higher than Sweden while France was over 10x higher. If you go by per Capita Norway & Sweden executed more witches than England per the population.\n\nThe biggest outlier is Scotland. If you consider the fact that they had a population of under a million while the HRE had nearly 30M people then Scotland possibly had an execution rate twice that of Germany."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>If you go by per Capita Norway & Sweden executed more witches than England per the population.\nDebatable. Norway and Sweden are at 100-500 executions. England is at over 1000. Could be almost 10x the executions in England with probably less than 10x the population at that point in time.\nDenmark most likely certainly executed more per capita than England though.\nWe'd probably need more specific numbers and then adjust for population during the time period."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>The biggest outlier is Scotland\nnot really\nit's because they were autistic calvinists\nbig weird how scots managed to censor their extreme calvinist history. presbyterians literally had a cultural revolution and destroyed churches and crosses\nthe stereotype scots had before they reinvented their culture was as ruthless merchants and traders, just like the dutch, because of their shared calvnist belief in trading"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>the stereotype scots had before they reinvented their culture was as ruthless merchants and traders, just like the dutch, because of their shared calvnist belief in trading\nWeren't the 'Scotch' basically to the English what the 'Dutch' were to Germans?"}, {"id": 23, "content": "The Spanish Inquisition was about suppressing heresy and apostasy, not witchcraft, you fucking cretin."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Before this thread turns into another autistic shitflinging session of 'are Scots Germanic or Celtic'. I just want to state plainly and clearly for the record that people in Scotland speak a Germanic language and cluster tightly genetically with other Germanic-speaking populations of Europe in a genetic continuum.\nThis was, ironically, both before and after the Germanic invasions and colonizations of Scotland and subsequent language and culture shifts.\nThey are absolutely Germanic, or they are nothing and the term Germanic itself is void of all substance and meaning.\n\nThat's all there is to say regarding it. I will not be making another comment regarding this."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nthey received large amounts of migration from the low country and flanders, and were autistic calvinists like the dutch and were seen as greedy and materialistic\nthe scots didn't even celebrate christmas until the 50's\nengland was largely agrarian and gained its wealth from exporting wool, scots gained their wealth from being calculating merchants"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThe Stewarts (Stewart itself is an Old English surname) also heavily intermarried with Low Country and Scandinavian royal houses as well as other English ones. They were quite enamored with the Danish king and his penchant for witchhunting, it directly influenced and inspired James I's witchhunting zeal."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe catholic church genocided over a million people on the Cathar genocide, bringing up things like the spanish inquisition \"numbers\" is just a smokescreen to sweep under the rug events like the Cathar genocide that was done by them.\nAll done to somehow convince people that maybe the catholic church was not so bad while in fact they are even worse than imagined."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEstimates of the number killed by the Spanish Inquisition, which Sixtus IV authorised in a papal bull in 1478, have ranged from 30,000 to 300,000."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWhat you just said is somehow more retarded than the black legends that say the Spanish Inquisition killed millions of people.\n\nOver a million dead in 13th century France would mean double digits percentages in terms of people slaughtered out of the total French population.\n\nYou are just regurgitating a modern myth that the Occitanians tell themselves as evidence that southern France has always been oppressed by the north."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf we accept the premise that their are people who make deals with the devil inorder to bring misfortune and death on their neighbors; is it wrong to kill them?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat map looks like MS paint"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nNot an argument, you are just begging the question and spitting the pink legend myth, the genocide happened in this is not up for debate, holocaust denier, I mean cathar genocide denier. The catholic church are mass murderers, this is a fact, everything else is fiction.\n>At least 200,000[1] to at most 1,000,000[2] Cathars killed\n>Considered by some scholars to be an act of genocide against the Cathars, including the coiner of the word genocide himself, Raphael Lemkin.[3][4]\n> Many historians consider the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars an act of genocide.[3][4]"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">\"German sorceress bedazzled me, your Hono-ACKKKKK\""}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>The catholic church genocided over a million people on the Cathar genocide\n>>32\n200k-1000k => 1000k?\nCathars dabbed on singlehandedly by Simon de Montfort"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo all Jews have magical powers?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nAt least get rid of the Wikipedia footnotes from your copy-paste when you pretend as if you know what you are talking about."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nYes, but not all magical powers have Jews."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nI don't even think there where even enough people in Languedoc for 1,000,000 people to die in the Albigensian crusade."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nIf you are going to kvetch about the wholesome chungus gnostics then at least do it the normal way."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe spanish inquisition didn't exist to root out witches. adjust the stats for general heretics, jews, muslims and false converts"}, {"id": 41, "content": "I always had the idea that the Spanish/Portuguese Inquisition punished people by forcing them to go to the colonies."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>6\nThe worst witch hunts in the HRE were all undertaken in catholic areas by catholic officials you fucking mong"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">majority of people today dont even understand why the OT doesnt apply to christians majority of the time\n>lets just hand it out like candy to barely literal angry peasants and see what happens\n\nthanks Martin."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nSee\n>>42"}, {"id": 45, "content": "its even funnier than that\n\nSpain literally killed 1 single witch\n\nAnd yet you have some that still deny the black legend, amazing"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nThey killed 30,000-300,000 “heretics”\n\nWitches? Much fewer but still around 100 more or less. Certainly not 1, revisionistard."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>i-it's all really just an allegory bro\n>all those medieval chronicles that treat the events of the OT as literal? uhhhhh"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of these Witches were baby killing, genital mutilating freaks that deserved to be roped.\n\nJust because we don't believe in magic doesn't mean _they_ don't. The same Enlightenment scholars attacking the Church's witch trials, would haughtily denouce African Songomas who do the same shit; kidnapping and torturing babies and kids. Of course these backwards barbaric practises deserved to die out. It is pure hypocrisy to denounce it elsewhere while denying the need to destroy Witchcraft in Europe.\n\nBased on my knowledge of occultic practices (read some Grimoire's of the era) I would estimate that less than 5% of the victims were actually innocent."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>3\n>wizards\nWizards were not inherently considered heretics either. Plenty of Wizards were venerated (Agrippa in the HRE, Roger Bacon in England).\n\nWhat you have to understand about these trials is that they only went after people doing fucked up shit like slipping herbs for miscarriages into someone's tea out of pure spite (like a romantic competitor). Kidnapping babies and mutalating them, and other small animals, for their deranged rituals.\n\nThese cunts absolutely deserved the rope. There are less serial killer per capita alive today thanks to these trials."}, {"id": 50, "content": "Most spanish dark topics were fake by angl*s\nAmerica would be a better country if instead anglo blood mixed with german would have been danish or even french"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>6\n>the printing press\nEarly modern era in OP's pic predates this."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>40\nWhat's wrong with this anyway? Getting rid of the taint of foreign occupation is noble and just."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\nthat discrepancy tells me that you are either lying or dishonest discord troon"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>More than 35000\nWhy do Germans love killing Europeans"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>46\n>They killed 30,000-300,000 “heretics”\ndid this come to you in a dream? did odin himself reveal this?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">The Würzburg witch trials of 1625–1631, which took place in the self-governing Catholic Prince-Bishopric of Würzburg in the Holy Roman Empire in present-day Germany, formed one of the biggest mass trials and mass executions ever seen in Europe, and one of the largest witch trials in history\nCatholic sisters..."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">guys the spanish inquisition was really lenient it seems...\n>WHOA HOL UP WHITE BOI WHATCHU MEAN LOOK AT WHAT DEEZ GERMAN KANGZ WAS DOING N SHIIEEEET"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>6\n>it's hearsay to not submit to papal hearsay\n>you must repent of insubordination to roman hearsay or put to death, just like jesus intended"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow adjust those colors for populations of those countries at the time, because the population of the entirety of Scandinavia was tiny compared to HRE or France."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>6\n>>1 (OP)\nThe Spanish inquisition in practice was more like a secret police used by the Spanish monarchy to get rid of opposing nobles and critics of the monarchy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there any link between the figures of the biblical Seth and that of Odin? I feel as though there must be, both of these beings were great, wise, magicians and mysterious all-fathers to humanity, both existed as \"leaders of the possessed\" with Odin and the Germanic tribes and Seth with the Suteans, a connection between the two would be extremely interesting now that we know of the connection between the god Set and Seth"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If you want to get into comparative myth and some links\n\nOdin -> Mercury ->Hermes ->Thoth ->Hermes Trismegistus ->Idris/Enoch, and Seth is listed as like, his great great great grandfather.\n\nIn terms of ACTUAL MYTH, there is a great deal of linkage between Odin/Mercury/Hermes/Thoth. Not as much with Enoch in strict mythos."}, {"id": 3, "content": "bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be original pre roman and pre saxon inhabitants of britain\n>suffer nearly 4 centuries of roman rule, then a dark age once they leave, then subjugated by invading saxons while fighting irish/pictish raids at the same time\n>most of your land falls to invaders, be forced into the western hills\n>be petty kingdoms fighting each other for centuries, before being conquered by the normans and made part of england\n>briefly get independence in a rebellion before english rule is restored\n>become an irrelevant, rural hill folk in the kingdom of england\n>get devolution in the 1990s\n>admirable efforts at keeping language and culture alive, which is actually the strongest surviving celtic tongue\n\nThoughts on their history? I think its kino the Britons are still hanging on. Shame they aren't really as well known as Irish and Scottish cultures."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's honestly mind boggling how little studied wales from the 15th to the 19th century is. I suspect because it leads to very awkward narratives for modern nationalist discourses around Welsh-English relations of the approach of the English to the \"Celtic Fringe\" in general. Take religion for instance, most peoples' knowledge of Welsh religion is as a bastion of Nonconformist Christianity from the mid 18th to the 20th century, yet that completely ignores how Anglicanism was remarkably successful in the region from its promulgation until the mid 18th century (and the Methodists initially did their work within the CoE's structure, before formally splitting off in the early 19th century)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>devolution in the 1990s\nsource pwz?\n\nMy gmas grandfathers family is ancient welsh and I could probably lift the sword from the rock if i wanted to.\n\nElen, finder of the true cross, was probably a vulga."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Don't talk about the Celts if you never read Asterix and Obelix."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nBurger moment\n\n>>1 (OP)\nThe Welsh are alright, they're the least insufferable of the Celts. But realistically they don't have a great deal of history. There's a reason why England & Wales are often grouped into a single authority whilst Scotland & NI are always separate, they've been under English dominion for such a long time. Also a bit of a shame they were less Romanised than other Britons. Would have been more kino that way."}, {"id": 6, "content": "bump!\nalso don't forget about the Cornish people"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nultimate meme identity\nseriously despite the local government being full on board with the revival larp and the uk government being fairly supportive like 80% of the population still identify as solely either British, English, or a combination of the two in censuses. Like 18% of people bother to state they're Cornish.\nand IIRC less than 1% of Cornwall's population can speak Cornish despite the revival efforts."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt doesn't help a large portion of the people that live there aren't 'natives', just rich Londoners and Boomers who wanted a quiet life."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>realistically they don't have a great deal of history.\n>they've been under English dominion for such a long time.\n>least insufferable of the Celts\n\nokay faggot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWales eventually reclaimed the throne under Henrhi Tewdwr, born in Wales with a Welsh father. Upon his banner was the ddraig goch and his heirs would hold the title Prince of Wales before taking on the duties of their other dominions, such as the Kingdom of Ireland or the Kingdom of England, since they were Welsh first."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>become an irrelevant, rural hill folk in the kingdom of england\nyou know the whole reason the English started using Longbows was because of their battles with the Welsh right? England just isn't england without the welsh."}, {"id": 12, "content": "seething anglojanny\nWelsh checked the Migration period, this is just a fact.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riothamus\nThey stemmed the Saxon tide and fought the Goths to a standstill.\n\nThese are facts, you can delete my post because you dont like it, but dont pretend like the Welsh BVLLs arent MOGGING you into the ground."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nyou are an american homosexual LARPer who saves images of rugby players onto his computer to try and prove the superiority of a group that never existed\nyou are mentally ill"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWelsh Kingdoms were Christianized in 32 Ad. Pope Linus was half Silurian.\nDespite the Roman Civil war of 380, Trinitarian V Arianism, and the Great Conspiracy, the Royal houses still remained Catholic and ruled independently for 1200 odd years.\nMeanwhile the Kingdom of England only lasted like 250 years until The Conqueror."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYou are are an homosexual LARPer who saves photos of muscly men to his computer\nyou are not welsh. your are not a \"BVLL\" you are a skinny nerd larping as an ancient conqueror and posting his deranged rape fantasties onto a mongolian basket weaving board\nthe \"\"\"\"welsh\"\"\"\" were conquered by the romans and their druids slaughtered"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nbased"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Its mind boggling how Boudica is elevated as a national hero but not a lot of people know this bvlll"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\nYou gotta stsrt from somewhere Anon. The Cornish were even longer under English dominion than the Welsh. Heck, Dumnonia was cut off from Wales long before Cornwall was incorporated into England for good, making these guys even more destitute when it comes to culture"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nHe humbled Cladius with facts and logic. I fucking love that guy."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJulius Caesar said the Welsh language or the \"proto\" form of it anyway was only spoken in the inland areas so most of Britain could not have spoken Welsh."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nBoudicca and her ancestors were always in total war against the ancestors of the Welsh\nSo was Caratacus"}, {"id": 22, "content": "vgh...camelot"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>>15\nThe Welsh actually were the one tribe of Barbarians who defeated the Romans in a head on battle.\nThere is not another battle in history where the Romans were met in the field and lost a head-on clash.\n>Germanics\nambushed\n>Gauls\nambushed and sweeping flank maneuvers\n>Easterners\nnot really barbarians but also used indirect tactical advancements like horse archers and cataphracts\n\nThe Silures exclusively met the Romans on the field and actually beat them."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\n>My gmas grandfathers family is ancient welsh and\nAnd?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>original pre roman and pre saxon inhabitants\nlol"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">Quebec leaves canada\n>scotland leaves UK\n>UK essentially dissolves into the several remaining countries\n>Australia, NZ and Canada pieces join USA\n>Ireland made whole\nScotland, wales join EU\n>England itsself joins EU eventually"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nThe silures were conquered by the romans.\nAll your saving pictures of rugby players will not stop them from having been defeated, you homosexual american LARPing faggot"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Celts only existed in Britain for a few centuries prior to the Romans. Before them the island was populated by Bell Beakers (whose language and culture is lost to time), the people who exterminated the builders of Stonehenge. You can actually find their graffiti on a few of the stones, little axe heads carved into the side defacing what was (presumably) a religious centre for the people of the Isles. There’s also mass graves nearby IIRC and they reused the barrow tombs of the hengebuilders. Though that’s a running theme with the peoples who invade Britain for some reason (the Celts, Saxons and Norse all reused bronze age barrows and saw them as mystical places)\n\nThe English have now been settled in Britain for longer than the Celts were when the Anglo-Saxons first landed on these shores. The idea that the Celts are uniquely native and the sole inheritors of this land is a myth they themselves propagate to undermine English nationhood.\n\nAlso the Celts failed miserably to Christianise the Saxons, it took the Saxon lords marrying Frankish brides to turn England Christian again. If merely surviving is worthy of praise the Bantu and Mandé are on the same level as Celts\n\n>B-b-but Scotland!!!\n>B-b-but Book of Kells!!! Celtic symbolism!!!\nScotland is an Anglic nation larping as Celtic and has been since the Clearances. The Book of Kells is Anglo-Saxon and most Celtic symbols are new age larp that steal from the Anglo-Saxons, especially when it comes to “””Celtic””” knots.\n\nThe peoples of the British Isles are thoroughly and completely ANGLO and have been for quite some time now. The Celtic larping is leftwing revisionism and subversion. Furthermore the IRA is a Communist movement.\n\nIn conclusion, Sneed."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>Also the Celts failed miserably to Christianise the Saxons\n\nthe Irish did okay in Northumbria"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>22\nAll of the best parts of the Arthurian mythos come from France and England btw. The Celts truly have NOTHING to offer. Hence why they were equated to Africans historically."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nSource?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCadwallon ap Cadfan was pretty based though.\n\n>King of Gwynedd\n>Is driven out of his kingdom by Edwin, King of Northumbria\n>Comes back with an army, defeats the mercians and forces them into an alliance\n>Defeats Edwin and takes Northumbria for himself\n>King of Deira gets uppity\n>Cadwallon defeats the king of Deira too\n>Proceeds to savage the people of Northumbria for two or three years\n>New king of Bernicia gets uppity to\n>Is promptly beaten by Cadwallon\n>Is remembered as a hero amongst the Britons\n>Is remembered as a cruel and bloody tyrant amongst the A*glo-S*xons"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>2\nWasn’t 19th century Wales a giant coal mine?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nHis name alone looks like someone vomited on my keyboard. Yucky c*Ltoid specimen"}, {"id": 36, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\nI think the confusion comes from Welsh not being actual celts. They're related to the Basques which are basically an unbroken line of farmnigger"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>5\n>There's a reason why England & Wales are often grouped into a single authority\nIt's because Henry VIII formally annexed Wales in the 1500s and now they're a Common Law jurisdiction. Scotland uses Scots Law, so their legal system is distinct and not transferrable for Common Law trained jurists."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>27\n>Australia, NZ and Canada pieces join USA\nYou'll sooner find them joining China than the US. Irrationally hating Americans is integral to their modern Identity"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>12\n>riothamus\n>oversized naue II sword"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>32\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiberno-Scottish_mission#Aidan_in_England"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Irrelevant hill folk\nThat’s only partly true. After the tudors took power, many Welsh ended up in important positions of power in the English government. Despite some tensions about language and culture, it seems to me that the Welsh played very important roles in early modern England and in the British Empire. They also seemed very loyal compared to the scots and Irish in the modern era, which is funny considering they actually kept their language. I would consider Welsh and English history to really be one in the same after Henry VII and VIII."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\n>Welsh not being actual celts.\n>They're related to the Basques\nThey're not that similar to the Basques."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're the original indigenous Britons, Britain is rightful Welsh clay and the Saxon-Norman mutts, (angloid monsters) have been the single worst thing to happen to Europe and the world.\n>Inb4 your speaking muh English\nI'd rather speak Chinkanese then this mutt language composed of latin, French, German, and God knows what else. It's an ugly piece of shit language and can't compare to the beauty of for example Spanish. Welsh were also the first Christians in Britain, and King Arthur was Welsh even though Angloids try to LARP as him. Plus Welsh women are way better then disgusting angloid trolls."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it safe to say it is weird the Scottish have such an emboldened independence movement while the Welsh seem relatively quiet, considering I thought the Scottish have been taken in with pride by the English for many centuries. I am a burger idk."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nThe English are the apex predatior of the British Isles"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf youre interested this chanel goes over Welsh and Brythonic history in general. Most recent video is on surviving Celts in the Fens, can reccomend.\nhttps://youtu.be/5FHRTpEhaAs [Embed]"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>I'd rather speak Chinkanese then this mutt language composed of latin, French, German, and God knows what else\nPractice what you preach then chang"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>29\n>The Celts only existed in Britain for a few centuries prior to the Romans. Before them the island was populated by Bell Beakers (whose language and culture is lost to time), the people who exterminated the builders of Stonehenge.\n\nnah thats bullshit and you know it\n\n>English have now been settled in Britain for longer than the Celts were when the Anglo-Saxons first landed on these shores\n\nnow we have the true motivation of this lie made clear"}, {"id": 50, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>2\n>>34\n\nmost folks don't know there was a concerted effort after the events of the French revolutions by London to systematically marginalize or debunk all references to specifically British ancient history, credit all archaeological discoveries of structures past a certain date to Roman period construction despite evident cultural incongruencies, etc with the express purpose of suppressing the ascendant nationalism of the early-mid 1800's\n\nthey thought that budding continental nationalism could spread amongst their more exotic subjects, threatened their power over Britain, and took the extraordinary steps you should expect by now to mitigate that potential"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>31\nWe thank our cousins the Gauls for preserving our history of the fight against asiatic subhumans. Merci beaucoup, Asterix!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Savonarola did nothing wrong!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe know"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ngood"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Considering the US had ruled out a land invasion of North Vietnam for fear of Chinese intervention, how exactly did they plan to end/win the war? Just wear out the North until they agreed to a ceasefire? What exactly were they hoping to achieve?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "American foreign policy is literally based on the idea that Amerifat liberalism is the norm of humanity and every other system and culture is an inhuman, hellhole.\nUnironically the Americans believed that the North Vietnamese would just realise America is better and switch sides. It's why most Amerifats also believe if the US attacked China over Taiwan, most would rise up and instantly overthrow the CPC and swear allegiance to the US. This is literally the view that is mainstream on /k/, Reddit etc.\nThe fact that pretty much every US intervention that wasn't South Korea and Japan turned into a fucking disaster doesn't matter to the Amerifat brain, as Zhou Enlai once wisely said \"One of the delightful things about Americans is that they have absolutely no historical memory\"."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI think subconsciously amerigolems are well aware that nationalism > liberalism for almost everyone and foreigners are culturally different. the whole they all want to become like us is an obvious cope that can get disproved just by takling to immigrants in the USA, let alone people living in other countries. as soon asyou press them on it amerilibtards will shift to the defensive and say, we'll give you democracy by bombing you, because they know they can't actually spread their ideas through persuasion and without force. when the bombing also fails they revert to the afghanistan argument i.e. we never cared about it in the first place and we occupied these cities so it counts as a win"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Plan to end/win the war?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOP here, I don't believe the US entered Vietnam with the intention of it lasting forever. They knew the US' global reputation was at stake and the Democratic party basically put their entire popularity on the line for it and destroyed themself for 20 years because of their failure in the late 60s."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Just wear out the North until they agreed to a ceasefire?\nBasically that and build South Vietnam up to the point it would be able to fend off an actual land invasion by North Vietnam. But overall there was never really any great, well-thought out plan for how the US would \"save\" (South) Vietnam, every president just stumbled through it until it was too late to turn back (without coming across as cowards that \"lost\" Vietnam to the commies like Truman \"lost\" China\")."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThank you, that makes more sense.\n\nFollow up question, why did the US completely fail to build up South Vietnam? Corruption in South Vietnam?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNixons Vietnamization plan would have unironically worked if Congress hadn't sabotaged it by cutting off almost all support to South Vietnam"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Just wear out the North until they agreed to a ceasefire?\n\nYeah basically. The general idea was to kill as many Charlie’s as possible and destroy as much infrastructure in the hope they’d just give up.\n\n>>8\nThe way the South folded in such a short space of time showed they weren’t worth fighting for. Similar to the so called Afghan government."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSouth Vietnam survived two whole years without American support, equating it with the almost instantaneous collapse of Afghanistan is just absurd."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nYeah, more or loss. South Vietnam was a shitshow that struggled to form a stable government after the first president, Diem, was overthrown and murdered in a military coup (not to imply that he was le based strongman that could've \"won\" as some contrarian historians try to argue). Once Diem was overthrown it opened a pathway for any military leader dissatisfied with the government to either overthrow it or attempt to overthrow it. Couple that with South Vietnam being a recent post-colonial state with few strong institutions, and hundreds of thousands of impoverished peasants abandoning the countryside for the (comparatively) safer cities after the US stepped up its involvement it was pretty hopeless. And then you had the Vietcong/North Vietnamese infiltrators, who controlled significant swathes of the countryside and had infiltrated up to the upper echelons of South Vietnamese society (one of President Thieu's top aides was later revealed to be working for the North Vietnamese, as well as the head of President Diem's \"Strategic Hamlet\" programme).\n\nThere was some success in stabilizing the countryside after Tet/Mini-Tet reduced the Vietcong to irrelevance, and President Thieu's modest land reform efforts, but by then it was too little to late, especially with US land forces being drawn down and the US overall winding down its involvement in Vietnam."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n(cont.) If you want to read more about it I'd recommend George Veith's Drawn Swords in a Distant Land which should still be available on Libgen (if not I've got an epub copy that I can upload later)."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nI'm convinced that is only because the North had to actually muster up enough men and material to launch their invasion, since the north had been thoroughly carpet bombed and their ranks thinned pretty hard after 10 years of constant fighting. So they took 2 years to get ready then steam rolled the south without any real resistance."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how exactly did they plan to end/win the war\nmass murder until the communists give up"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>needs two years of preparation\n>to invade a country incapable of resistance\nPick one"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nThey had significant American air support for those 2yrs. Any attempt at a NVA offensive was pulverised."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nThank you anon, I appreciate the detailed answer, the conflict makes a lot more sense now. I found the Veith book on my University library site."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">At the beginning of the Spring Offensive in 1975 the balance of forces in Vietnam was approximately as follows;\n\n>North Vietnam: 305,000 soldiers, 600 armored vehicles and 490 heavy artillery pieces in South Vietnam and South Vietnam: 1.0 million soldiers, 1,200 to 1,400 tanks and more than 1,000 pieces of heavy artillery."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nNo they didn't. The Case-Church Amendment, implemented by Congress in the summer of 1973, prohibited any further U.S. military activity in Indochina, including air support."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\namerican foreign policy is much less poetic than that\nbut lets not be judgemental, their foreign policy is as of any superpower would have\n>my interest above everybody else\n>i extract resources via political systems and i gain markets for export, educated immigrants\nthere is very little if any ideological drive behind it"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US hoped to help South Vietnam stand on her own two feet so she could fend for herself\n> The problem\nThe Soviet Union was run by a tyrant who could milk folk dry to fund North Vietnam's war on the South\n> Meanwhile...\nThe United States let each man have a say in who runs the show. Some folk did not want to pay South Vietnam to fight for so long, so she died"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>The Soviet Union was run by a tyrant who could milk folk dry to fund North Vietnam's war on the South\nUnfortunately even one party states don't have infinite cash and the USSR finally bled itself dry funding armed revolutions and assorted dictators around the globe."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\n>The fact that pretty much every US intervention that wasn't South Korea and Japan turned into a fucking disaster doesn't matter to the Amerifat brain\n\nWhich is actually unfair as the US did not have an issue with it up until WWII. The Filipino War of Independence for example was quite dirty and involved a lot of actions that would certainly violate the Geneva Convention yet succeeded."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuild up the South Vietnamese government and ARVN until they can survive on their own while at the same time bombing North Vietnam in order to force them into negotiating a peace deal with the South/US."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>13\n>since the north had been thoroughly carpet bombed and their ranks thinned pretty hard after 10 years of constant fighting\nYou give Strategic Bombing doctrine and Amerilard cope about Asiatic hordes and birthrates too much credit."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nThe Philippine American War was a success since brutalizing colonized brownies was the norm for the time, but perhaps more importantly Filipino were not a nation state at the time. During the revolution some Filipino groups had either a) had no idea one was taking place (the provinces remote from Manila usually) or b) didn't know exactly what to do with the chaos in the main colonial population centers, or c) disagreed with immediate independence (the position of the landed Filipino elite mostly)."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nthe government-military industrial complex since WWII just got too bureaucratic and bloated. the whole system is a spaghetti mess that prevents us from doing what we did in the 19th century."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nthe French, hey they conquered Vietnam easily in the 1860s and that was a nation state with a proper government, army, etc"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nWhich? Boxer Rebellion or Boars?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>easily in the 1860s\nNorthern Vietnam rump maintain independent until mid-1880."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Because America won the Korean war by ensuring the sovreignty of the democratic South Korea, and at the time had no reason to outright know they couldnt achieve the same kind of conclusion in Vietnam."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nthe occupation of Iraq showed what a massive bureaucratic paralysis the system had"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Actually having to ask those basic questions\nWhy do you think this retard was so obsessed with America's K/D?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christianity is just Wish.com shit knockoff version of Buddhism and Taoism.\nWhy do people still follow Christianity when Buddhism and Taoism are more accessible than ever and instantly have more important, practical life lessons and hit all the points Jesus does in far more complete, coherent and well thought out ways not drowning in shitty allegory that because most people are idiots, completely misread is beyond me.\nThe fact that Christianity even exists as an organized religion means that pretty much all Christians misunderstood the point of Jesus' sacrifice.\nSeriously, when even a complete LSD dropping glug glug like Alan Watts regularly said more meaningful and insightful things than anything Jesus said, maybe you should realise your entire philosophy and religion is kind of shit.\nAlso the good thing about Taoism and Buddhism is you don't even need to believe the Woo, just take the practical life advice and understanding the nature of reality."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristcuckery and all of Abrahamism are the paths of icchantika. They are insentient forces of pure destruction, hence why they brought about the Dharma Ending Age with industrialization. Industrialization was the biggest mistake in all of history.\nChristcuckery has nothing truly in common with Buddhism.\nDamn Jewsus and the Holy Spirit. Not a single good thing came from them.\nDamn Muhammad, Ali, and Allah. I put superior idols before them.\nDamn Moses, Adam, Jacob. Elohim is a jealous angry god.\nNamo Amitabha Buddha, I will destroy all of Abrahamism and de-industrialize the world when I take power."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nKeyed"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Buddhists without the influence of Western Christian morality just drown their babies, sacrifice pregnant women, and let monks rape their kids."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nsettle down satan"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The Four Noble Truths\n1. Suffering is inseparable from existence.\n2. The root cause of suffering is craving.\n3. Suffering can be ended by ending craving.\n4. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.\n\n+ archive.org/details/WhatTheBuddhaTaught_201606\n+ buddhanet.net/audio-lectures.htm"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I asked a Buddhist about Buddhism and he spent a long time telling me absolutely nothing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm neither Asian, nor a white woman from California, nor a death cultist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">uh God is real but don’t waste time trying to prove it because you physically can not\n\nWow, thousands of years of rigorous philosophy and most of the threads on this board btfo all at once."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>because you physically can not\nthen how do you know hes real?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nfeelz"}, {"id": 4, "content": "> Humans are the most intelligent beings, IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE\nThis is your brain on atheism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>crossbrain admits he's as smart as a bug"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAhh yes, another atheist making an ad intelligence argument. Of course, you are the most intelligent and important person in the world."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>you are the most intelligent and important person in the world.\nyour words. not mine."}, {"id": 8, "content": "I can prove god is real."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nBecause you are the arbitrer of intelligence, because you are the most intelligent person in the world."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nMan you’re being pretty nice"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nthrough faith"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe unintentionally proved the importance of faith with reason."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nHe had strong faith but did not care to waste time arguing about it or using his philosophy to prove it. Also the Catholics considered him a borderline heretic over his ideas on the Bible and the church."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nIf you don’t believe that is your right. It is completely inane for both sides to argue for or against something which by definition exists or does not exist outside this physical realm."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\natheists fags have made it full circle back to positivism lol"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\n>Humans aren't the most intelligent beings in the entire universe\n>Huh? No, not a hypothetical that a smarter species may have evolved somewhere out there\n>No, I believe there is a non-physical deity that knows everything, created everything and has ordered the whole universe\n>No, I can never give you proof, only thought experiments to fill in the gaps of physics\nThis is your brain on theism."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDescartes made abunch of arguments for God. His epistemology hinges on God. Where did you get the idea that greentext was from Descartes?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can God create another world? What if humanity managed to end itself tomorrow? What would be the plan for the rest of the universe? Would God recreate man or just watch an endless cycle of untouched nature forever?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod can obviously create another world, but I doubt that humanity would be able or interested in ending itself especially on short notice. The \"plan\" for the rest of the universe was always to support the existence of Earth, which is why you can't really shift variables around in the universe without also preventing the emergence of complicated life from existing. But assuming that humanity was able to destroy itself, God could recreate manm but I think the more important question is why God created people in the first place.\nChristians don't have a real answer to this question, only speculation. Sometimes we say that it's good for God to be worshipped, so God created humans so that some of them would worship him and therefore there would be more goodness. Sometimes we say that God created us simply so that we could know and love him. But ultimately, God created us because he wanted to.\nIf I was going to actually answer your question, there's no real point to the universe existing except to faciliate our existence as humans. Assuming we all died, there's no real reason for God to maintain a physical space unless he was going to make more people."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>>/x/"}, {"id": 4, "content": "1. any other world would still be part of our world, so there can be no other world\n2. the world continues just fine if humans went extinct. nothing would happen, only the logical consequences of that state of the universe existing.\n3. the only plan for the universe is for the universe to follow the logical extrapolation of its potential states.\n4. life can be created again, just as it is created all the time in our unending world. there are an endless number of life in the universe. at the current time, and in the future. humans aren't the onlty life, but life elsewhere that resembles humans could appear. after all, humans appeared in one place, so it is possible for them to appear elsewhere. Though it will probably have a low percentage chance even at what we consider extremely large distances. but taking into account the size of the universe, it's clear human like beings already exist elsewhere in the universe."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Can God create another world?\nYou mean another planet? Or another universe? Either way, God is omnipotent and can do anything.\n>what if humanity managed to end itself tomorrow? What would be the plan for the rest of the universe?\nGod is omnipresent, he would know of humanity's end since the beginning of time. He could prevent it, or if it's a part of his plan, he could let it happen. Either way whatever happens IS his plan."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything that happens unfolds according to God's plan which was set down from the beginning. It can only happen as God allows, we can't interfere with His divine plan."}, {"id": 7, "content": "sarges heroes was so underrated"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod already knows what will happen and he can do whatever he wants."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nCalvinist nonsense right here. Just because God knows what we will choose doesn't mean he forces us to choose one way or the other."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nCan God create a question so puzzling even He can't solve it?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo that's a paradox, not a thing. He can only do all things."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would Europe look if the Germans had won ww2"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis fucking sucks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">with the entire army no longer being mobilized, Germany would catapult their industrial capacity forward\n>Eastern Europe would also be industrialized, which would result in urban areas slowly turning into Pro-German, cosmopolitan places\n>this Industry would allow Germany to have an airforce capable of defending Europe, a completely mechanized army, in addition to many architectural and settlement projects being realized\n>the impossibility to invade the European Mainland would create a cold war situation\n>after a generation, the 1960s nazi-sympathizing \"hippies\" would start protests in the remaining western governments and demand a normalization of relations with Europe, because they are forbidden from travelling there, have lots of romantic sentiments for the old world and see a glorious future ahead of them in many utopian projects like space travel (the German moon landing awed the american public), which they want to participate in\n>world war 2 doesn't exist as a concept, instead the history books talk about a fight against bolshevism (Hitler's Kampf), which the USA and later England also participated in and they will underplay the seriousness of their participation in the war against Germany, only England can't really properly deny their involvement, which they are kinda ashamed about in a typical british manner\n>instead of communism being the typical anti-imperialist ideology, the Arabs and some other peoples in Eurasia will have adopted a form of third-world Fascism in their anti-imperialist struggle against Colonialism and because of the German victory in North Africa, the MENA countries are ruled by fascist-sympathizing Arabs\n>completely new ideologies, outlooks on life, philosophies would have been developed, unthinkable to us now, because it would all be in a fascist/national-socialist Framework, basically a completely new type of civilization, which in our timeline found its end in Berlin 1945"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLess mainland French territory would be annexed. Personally, I think France would only lose AL."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably would look like it does now except not all gay and full of muslims"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCold War between America and Germany ending in 1991 as the Iron Curtain comes crashing down. Yes, it would be exactly that boring."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter 90 years of eugenics it's impossible to know. But you can bet that it would be aesthetically beautiful and more powerful than Europeans have been at any other time in history. I also think that other non-European white countries around the world would institute their own eugenics programs to try and compete with Germany and decolonialization would never have happened simply for geopolitical purposes, at least not in Africa."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Food shortages. Both intentional and unintentional."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA giant nuclear crater after getting destroyed by WW3 in 1948"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn a sense we'd be looking at a new attempt of establishing a new itteration of the Holy Roman Empire.\n\nHoly Roman Empire (Heiliges Römisches Reich) : Ended by Napoleon.\n\nGerman Empire (Deutsches Reich or Deutsches Kaiserreich) : Ended by WW1\n\nWeimar Republic / Nazi Germany (Deutsches Reich) : Ended by WW2\n\nThe EU? ..... Hmmmm"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIf history has anything to say - democracies become empires."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do atheists deal with the fact that in pantheism, god is defined to be the same thing as the universe, and the universe exists, therefore the god of pantheism exists. How can you call yourself an atheist when confronted with the fact that at least this god definitely exists?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't really call myself an atheist, it's the religious people who call me that."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>>/x/"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe Universe exists, and the Pantheists consider it to be God. Atheists don't deny that the Universe exists, they just don't agree with the designation of the Pantheists. Atheists reject the Pantheistic claim that the Universe is God, but that doesn't mean they deny the existence of the Universe itself."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike this guy said >>2\njust disagreeing with Christians gets you called an atheist and they never listen when you say you aren’t actually an atheist."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nmate its a definition. atheists don't decide the definition of god, religious people do, since it's their belief system."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYes, okay. I'm just saying that the definition decided by religious people are rejected by atheists, that's all. Also, you don't have to be religious to be a Pantheist. Most Pantheists are irreligious."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nwhy would it be rejected by atheists? what do they gain from rejecting a definition? If I make a definition of a mathematical object can they deny that too?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Pantheists are pretty much atheists that just want to have a spiritual connection to the universe."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nwell said"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>why would it be rejected by atheists?\nbecause they're atheists, that's what they do, literally by definition. they reject the different claims, definitions, propositions, and concepts of God"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nso it's just illogical rejection for the sake of rejection?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWell, that's one perspective. Atheists believe that their rejection of God is logical. Whether it is or not, I dare not to say, as I myself am indecisive about this topic. I wish I knew"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npantheistm is worse than atheism and protestantism"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nbecause it's baseless and meaningless, at that point is just a question of semantics"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nboring circular argument, I consider this glass of milk to be god and it exists ergo god exists and my worship of this milk god is correct. You can confound any existing thing with any seemingly non-existing thing, and doing so does not validate the existence of the other."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI am interested in worshiping your glass of milk.\nis it a half-full or half-empty kind of god?\ndo you have a newsletter?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIts volume shifts as It (I) (It being part of a diparite Godhead: Myself and It's glassjesty) sees fit. We don't have a newsletter but we have an etsy, check us out at steampunksephirothxx@etsy"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">how/why do atheists\n>followed by a shitty strawman\n\nEvery time"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Pantheism is not the sum of all matter is God. Pantheism is more like, behind the purpose of every thing lies God. Like if you continually ask why does this and that thing exist over and over you will eventually reach the ultimate truth, which is God"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\noh. another isms thread. bye."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nhttp://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/lists/Supernovae.html\n>>22\nCleftaSunder '24"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nbump.\n>>22\nbump."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How do atheists deal with the fact that in toastology, god is defined to be toast, and toast exists, therefore the god of toastology exists."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nartist?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nEucharistic theology b like"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God is causa sui\n>God=Nature\n>Nature is causa sui\n\nyeah, no. fuck outta here"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>8\nBecause if God is just a mere definition, just a quirky name given to the universe, then the whole concept of God is meaningless."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>8\nThey reject it because it is an unnecessary concept which reaches beyond evidence given by observation. Even \"the universe\" doesn't exist. Things out there exist; the universe is a helpful designation for \"all there is\", but even this can't be properly cognized in all its wealth. It is a logical designator. Calling the universe God is just a way of attributing a mystical quality to the concept of universe. It adds nothing."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait so if I define the universe as godlessness, then will godders have to cope with the fact that godlessness exists?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's no question that the universe exist, but to regard it as a god is a belief that can be denied like any other."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nNOOOOO STOP IT RIGHT NOW"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just don't give a shit\nIt's that shrimple\nI'm not an anythingtheist"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\nSatan\n>>28\nGod"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nWoe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods?\nthese are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo the digested chicken I just shat is actually god?\n\nSound like your \"god\" isn't worthy of worship."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the basis of the western world (the Illiad and Odyssey) is a poetic epic about Mycenean psychos invading killing raping and pillaging another people\nWhat are the historical implications of this? The basis for European civilization being about bronze age invaders killing really does seem to explain subsequent events in Europe and north Africa."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>western world\n>started in eastern europe\nWestern revisionism is pathetically inconsistent"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe western world was inspired by the Greeks. The Greeks were inspired by their bronze age ancestors. Greece was the westernmost point of the ancient bronze age world. Why are you arguing semantics?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis is not revisionism, it's the oldest view on history that exists in Europe. The revisionist version is that Western Europeans founded civilization because of muh steam engine and muh gunpowder"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's difficult to escape the shackles of your language"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It pretty great historical proof for confirmation bias"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>The Greeks were inspired by their bronze age ancestors.\nNo they weren't the whole of greek culture was derived from the afro-asiatic world of the near east, this is well documented\n>>4\nThe root concept of the western notion is the great schism, europe is an antichristian neoclassical invention made to reconcile the geopolitical and cultural divisions on the grounds of secularism and obviously to trick the eastern christian world into joining into the western tradition, but the direct traditions they follow stay in place, hence \"western\" and \"eastern\" europe, because its all revisionist bullshit"}, {"id": 8, "content": "any recommendarions which version of the Odyssee and Illiad I should read?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>the whole of greek culture was derived from the afro-asiatic world of the near east\ncitation desperately needed\nthe WHOLE of greek culture? influenced of course but c'mon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI have Robert Fagles translation and smart people say it's good I think, so maybe that."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nExactly. Everything came from the Near East. Even Europe."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n(the Illiad and Odissey)\n>about Mycenian\nNo. Iron age Greeks. Not long dead mycenians lol. Homer didn't even know how chariots worked and had them as troop transports. The only thing that survived of the mycenians was their language now written in a phoenician-derived script by people living in phoenician-inspired independent city-states"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe basis of the western world is the Catholic Church."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>the Catholic Church.\nJust a random remain of the roman period most notable for keeping pederast traditions alive. Even at its peak it had little to do with slavic congregations and then lost northwest europe and through it the US the latter the one reason the western world was not overtaken by the chinese... yet"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe bible and the church, and the Illiad are both foundations of Europe. But European history existed before Christianity, for which the Illiad was the foundation."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nThere's a part of the iliad that's word for word stolen from gilgamesh, there were more commonalities between ancient city arabs and greeks than with other indo-european-derived cultures\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalizing_period"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy are they black?"}, {"id": 18, "content": "the french invented the west not greeks"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\n>seething Russoid who bought commie agitprop detected"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Troy was in the Baltic."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nHad to look up what agitprop means"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nDon’t make me call up Mary Lefkowitz to open up a can of whoop ass and lay the smackdown. Black Athena is not a road you want to go down, boy…"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nAnd your meds are in the medicine cabinet. And the bottle is unopened. Your family is concerned for you."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nThey're tanned, as southern Europeans get due to being in the most sunny places in Europe. Bronze age Greeks most resemble southern Italians, therefore they prob looked like pic related"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nYou sound scared. Afraid to investigate?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nNo, I know exactly what you are talking about and don't think it holds water. You should just take your meds"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Fort me, I really like clothing from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. Historically speaking, of course."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*for, not “fort”."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Fake and gay. 17th Century clothing was better, 18th Century is second in rank."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCould you post an example or two? I assume you mean the kind of stuff the French upper class wore?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYes."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe late 18th century was the absolute peak."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Age of Reason"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI’m not a fan. I think it’s tacky in its overly fancifulness."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So I keep seeing the narrative that Spain was uniquely brutal in things like the Reconquista, the colonization of the new world, etc. this seems retarded to me, at least concerning the new world, since the places that actually have significant numbers of native Americans were Spanish and Portuguese colonies. Did the English just make bullshit up to justify competing against Spain? How about the French as well? Did they lie about Spain?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">conquered by visigoths for 700 years\n>one guy opens a gate and allows nafris to then conquer them for other 800 years\n>get freed\n>100 years later their rulers somehow become austrians\n>far ahead: manage to get to a rich virgin land full of resources, intelligent people and land\n>somehow manages to create only favelas, poverty and drug dealing shitholes\n>start counterreformation, dumping human progress back hundreds of years and pulling wars all over\n>Inquisition, a pagan bloodshed where they made human sacrifices burning virgin teenage girls to baal while praising \"saints\" (basically pagan gods) and iconography\n>All their relevant figures for other disciplines than killing brown chinks in jungles are all sephardic jews (Eg: cervantes)\n>somehow manages to not produce a single scientist of note in 800 years despite being one of the biggest colonial shitholes, while anglos where touching the moon iberians were literally living in mudhuts\n>somehow manages to remain poor after sacking africa and america to the bones, exterminating the whole inca empire population of 20 million by exploitation on silver mines because anglo and dutch traders are smarter than them\n>somehow also loses the netherlands austrian habsburgs held for 500 years in 80 years after inheriting them\n>somehow manages to also be the poorest Western european country that had a colonial empire.\n>and somehow they also manage to have a lower GDP than australia with twice of their population for spain, and the same for portugal vs new zealand."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">reconquista\nNo.\n\n>colonization of the Americas\nIf a Spaniard sodomized an Indian the sodomized-Indian was to be declared the property of his sodomizer.\n\n>did the english make this up\nNo, and Anglo scholars have, up until very recently, been extremely cautious about saying anything about Mesoamerica or the Spanish Empire because the sources and numbers were considered untrustworthy.\n\n>is spain uniquely maligned\nNo, Spain has one of the better representations in terms of the anti-Whiteness that gets afflicted upon it by anti-colonial sentiment. The goofy memes about Americans not getting lectured about colonization in schools (just as an example) are false."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was all true, the opposite of \"black legend\" is the pink legend which is the narrative that believes the spanish were le good"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglos and french were constantly losing and battles with Spain, so they have to invent shitty things about the great success Spain had. Anglos tried to even steal territory from America with zero success, so the only thing they had was to promote anglo tactics.\n\nSpain left their territories with 50 universities, 40 World Heritage sites, thousands of cities, roads,hospitals, cathedrals, schools, and a long etc.\n\nSpain also achieved one of the most incredible task on History: the XIX named as “Columbus Exchange”. It changed Europe and America forever with the exchange of crops, animals, tools, innovations, etc. It literally changed the world forever. Just carrying horses to America made a brutal change on the social and economic interactions, even in the USA (cowboy culture)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly the French produced worst colonies than the Spanish."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Black legend as the myth where Spanish colonialism was uniquely evil and where Spain's relative underdevelopment is a result of their religion or race is real slander from Brits and the Dutch etc\nHowever Spaniards accuse anybody who says anything remotely negative about Spain of slandering them, spreading the Black legend, etc"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Did Anglos falsely slander Spain?\n\nNOT ONLY ANGLOS, AND NOT «SPAIN», BUT THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY, AND EVERYTHING HISPANICAL, OR HISPANICAL & CATHOLICAL, TO THIS DAY.\n\n\n>So I keep seeing the narrative that Spain was uniquely brutal in things like the Reconquista, the colonization of the new world, etc. [...]\n\n1. NOT «SPAIN», BUT THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY.\n\n2. THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY CIVILIZED THE NEW WORLD; IT NEVER COLONIZED IT; THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY WAS CONSTITUTED IN CATHOLICAL EMPIRE: EMPIRES HAVE PROVINCES, NOT COLONIES.\n\n\n>[...] this seems retarded to me, at least concerning the new world, since the places that actually have significant numbers of native Americans were Spanish and Portuguese colonies. Did the English just make bullshit up to justify competing against Spain? How about the French as well? Did they lie about Spain?\n\nTHE ANTIHISPANOCATHOLICAL «BLACK LEGEND» WAS CONCOCTED BY ITALIANS, PROPAGATED BY GERMANIC HERETICS, WEAPONIZED BY THE FRENCH, PERFECTED BY THE NETHERLANDERS, INDUSTRIALIZED BY ANGLOIDS, BELIEVED BY IMBECILIC HISPANICS."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nkys schizo"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nExSpanish territories/colonies: Luxembourg, Netherlands, Lietchestein, Florida, California, Texas.\n\nCompare them to Jamaica, Bangladesh, Nigeria (English) or Haiti, Argelia, or Sudan (France).\n\n>>7\nFalse, Spain as all countries, as all people had a negative side but this negative side is seen with modern glasses. In those times, God was the law, and everything against the rule of God (heretics, paganism, etc) had to be erradicated. So, yes, there were abuses in the 1500s (a minority) but the USA was legally hanging blacks in 1920s."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nmisquote? what did i say that is false?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou were saying that Spain had the worst colonies except for France. But comparatively the richest ex-territories of all colonizers have been ex-Spanish (yes, Spain founded and named California, Florida, Texas, for example, so they were exSpanish territories until 1830s).\n\nAnd compare them to exEnglish colonies (outside of the countries were 90% of the population had been white, not only anglo, like Australia, Canada or the USA). Outside of these countries, their excolonies were horrendous with the difference that they did nothing there (they did not build cities, cathedrals, universities, world heritage sites) and Spain enriched their colonies."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>gdp means things number goes up I clap\nok"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>You were saying that Spain had the worst colonies except for France. But comparatively the richest ex-territories of all colonizers have been ex-Spanish (yes, Spain founded and named California, Florida, Texas, for example, so they were exSpanish territories until 1830s).\nI wonder what those three share in common…"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, the Spanish were actually that bad. The 'Black Legend' is itself a legend."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are anti-Medieval Europe \"black legends\", anti-Catholic \"black legends\" (which are somewhat intertwined with anti-Medieval ones), etc. The anti-Spanish Black legend seems to be a sub-division of the anti-Catholic one, since for a few centuries Spain was the \"sword\" of the Catholic faith against Protestantism.\n\nAll of these legends are just that, propagandistic efforts by people with a geopolitical agenda. In every instance, you just have to check who is promoting these and what agenda they have. Just like in modern times, basically."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nThe average Spanish former colony is more developed than the average former Anglo colony. (Yes, Zimbabwe, Pakistan and Burma count just like Maya-majority Guatemala does)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\ndefinite misquote since i didn't say any of that lol"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nCan I get a “surviving indigenous population” check on Anglo America vs Latin America real quick?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKing Philip II had sex with his own niece (sister's daughter).\n\nhttps://twitter.com/FJSoyer/status/1181871617657339904\n\nTo think that the Battle of Lepanto might never have occurred if Pope Pius V had stood firm and forbidden the marriage of Philip II of Spain to his niece Anna of Austria. #whatif\n\nhttps://twitter.com/FJSoyer/status/1181866306091405313\n\n1568, Philip II of Spain to the Pope: I urgently need to marry my niece.\nPope: Actually, that's a really bad idea, I won't allow it.\nPhilip: Ok, then I won't join your crusade against the Turks.\nPope: On second thoughts...\n#twitterstorians (Parker, Imprudent King, p. 164).\n\nhttps://twitter.com/Juancorreillo/status/1188069343801819136\n\nhttps://twitter.com/Spark15685953/status/1309431603358171136\n\nhttps://twitter.com/yarbatman/status/1009761156347686912\n\nhttps://twitter.com/yarbatman/status/1009761170050506752\n\nhttps://twitter.com/MdRentz/status/596157203360256000\nhttps://twitter.com/Juancorreillo/status/1188069343801819136\nhttps://twitter.com/noorhal/status/1262816622651244546\nhttps://twitter.com/baddie/status/1271260936918175746\nhttps://twitter.com/ENortonHistory/status/1413056288116953090\nhttps://twitter.com/operaman86/status/1540648033200656384\nhttps://twitter.com/PassedPod/status/1551677230396256256\nhttps://twitter.com/noorhal/status/1569153096550592513\nhttps://twitter.com/DavidCranmerUn1/status/1646142942338228225\n\nhttps://twitter.com/SantinoCortez99/status/1611145654667186178\nhttps://twitter.com/TDIH/status/2599507702"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions targeted Oriental Orthodox and Nestorian Christians like Armenian diaspora merchant families and St Thomas Syriac Christians in Kerala India. Look up Coonan Cross oath as well."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis wikipedia page is hilarious because it's clearly like 90% copied word for word from some butthurt Spanish nationalist's blog and all the bits that aren't just say that the \"black legend\" is true but you're bullying Spain if you acknowledge that"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nhttps://www.creativehistorian.co.uk/blog/read_196998/desperately-seeking-sons-philip-maria-mary-elisabeth-and-anna.html\n\nAnna of Austria was Philip's niece, her mother was his sister Maria (who had married their cousin Maximilian, the Habsburgs did this a lot!), and originally Anna had been proposed as a bride for Prince Carlos. But with Carlos dead and now Philip widowed for a third time, Maria decided that the resolution to her unmarried daughter and newly single brother was for the pair to marry each other. Anna was four years younger than Elisabeth, making her over twenty years Philip's junior, but no one really minded that much (if the bride did then no one cared).\n\nPhilip wasn't enthusiastic, but he knew his duty was to give Spain and the Netherlands a healthy male heir. While he griped and complained to his advisors and friends, he simultaneously threatened the Pope unless the latter granted a dispensation. The Pontiff reluctantly agreed, after publicly noting that perhaps some of Carlos' issues could have been avoided if the Habsburgs didn't insist on marrying close family members.\n\nIn November 1570 a 43 year old King of Spain married his 21 year old niece. Once again the marriage may have had a rocky start, possibly due to Philip's reluctance to marry in the first place. But like Elisabeth, Anna fell pregnant a few months after the wedding. Her place in Philip's affections was firmly secured on 4th December 1571 when a healthy baby boy named Ferdinand was born."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere is your response\n>>2\n\nThe black legend is alive and well almost 500 years later\n\nPSA: THERE WERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN XVIII CENTURY SPANISH AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF EUROPE\n>PSA: THERE WERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN XVIII CENTURY SPANISH AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF EUROPE\nPSA: THERE WERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN XVIII CENTURY SPANISH AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF EUROPE\n>PSA: THERE WERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN XVIII CENTURY SPANISH AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF EUROPE\nPSA: THERE WERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN XVIII CENTURY SPANISH AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF EUROPE\n>PSA: THERE WERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN XVIII CENTURY SPANISH AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF EUROPE\n\nMaybe that will get the point across, though I doubt any of the beasts in this thread care all that much about history"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>5\nThis\nDont forget the protestant dutch participating in it (for obvious reasons) as well as the Italian city states, for purely geopolitical motives of maintaining independence.\nThe black legend suited most of the European powers as a tool of delegitimization propaganda towards the then clear cut hegemon of the continent.\nIts quite embarrassing that half a millennia later there are still those that fall captive to the XVI century equivalent of \"iraq has weapons of mass destruction\""}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nChecked\nIts hilarious that to this day there are people falling for such obvious propaganda techniques\nGoes to show how easily a human mind can be subverted and controlled with minimal effort"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nDamn that sounds fucked up who could do that?\nOh, wait\nhttps://www.rd.com/list/royals-who-married-their-relatives/\nLiterally every royal family on the continent\nKWAB"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\nAre you going to factor in pre-contact population density in that check or...?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\n*muffled screams*\n[Funkytown starts playing]"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>one side leglislates protections and rights favouring natives\n>one side gifts them blankets tainted with smallpox\n>\"hmm i wonder why A has more natives than B....\"\n>\"probably population density or something i guess XD\""}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI'm not wasting my time explaining the population densities of what Cortes encountered versus what John Smith encountered\n>Uhhhhh smallpox blankets much? Checkmate gringo"}, {"id": 32, "content": "the internet is the best thing that ever happened to the spanish empire\nall of the laughable lies can be rebuked in under a minute. so many people that spent their lives in state-mandated ignorance are now able to see the real history for themselves\n>>31\nyour point is irrelevant, since there was a concerted effort in protecting natives in the spanish empire, while the opposite was true in any other colonial empire of the time.\nif the spanish empire was \"really that bad\", then id like to hear your objective and unbiased opinion on all the others. im sure you will agree that giving out smallpox blankets and keeping natives in proto concentration camps to this day is a vastly more horrific monstruosity?\nbut sure, dont waste your time"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>since there was a concerted effort in protecting natives in the spanish empire\nYou mean after monks spent years petitioning the crown to get the victorious Spaniards to stop working them to death in Potosi's silver mines? Or that the Nahuatl language has only survived in the Mexican equivalent of Appalachia?\n>im sure you will agree that giving out smallpox blankets and keeping natives in proto concentration camps to this day is a vastly more horrific monstruosity?\nYou mean like Cortes' men burning the feet of Aztec lords to find out where their gold was? Or the wholescale exploitation of indios for most of New Spain's existence?\n>Uhhhh yeah but at least these isolated pockets scattered around Mexico, uh, somewhat kept their pre-conquest tongue alive...but fuck 'em Spanish is better anyway"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>after monks spent years petitioning the crown to get the victorious Spaniards to stop working them to death in Potosi's silver mines\nthe crown responded favourably did it not? now do the equivalent with british india or french algeria. go on, did the crown legislate in favour of the natives when it got word of the abuse?\n>the Nahuatl language has only survived in the Mexican equivalent of Appalachia\nspanish monks are the only reason those languages survive to this day. in the immediate aftermath of cortes' conquest, they were the ones who petitioned cortes for permission to transcribe the surviving documents and oral traditions of the city's people, and cortes accepted. in fact it is only thanks to spanish monks that oral stories, that had never been written down by the natives, were put to paper and conserved to our day.\nnow, again, show me any single instant where this was undertaken in ANY of the english or french colonies.\n>You mean like Cortes' men burning the feet of Aztec lords to find out where their gold was?\ntorturing the king of the city you just captured when he was leading in conspiratorial factions against you? yeah that deifnitely relates to the main point we were discussing...\n>Or the wholescale exploitation of indios for most of New Spain's existence?\nkek\nyou mean before the laws burgos of 1512 that granted every catholic indio the same rights as any peninsular spaniard? or do you mean before the new reformed indian laws of 1542 that extended the guarantee of crown protection to even the non-catholic indios?\nagain, i dare you to present the english or french counterpart in their respepctive colonies.\n\nthere is no doubt that from today's moral perspective the spanish empire was brutal in many ways, but if you compare it to both its predecessors as well as its contemporaries, it was a noticeable step forward in many regards, and undoubtedly more humane than all the other colonial empires that rivalled it. no way around it"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n*of the mexica and surrounding cities"}, {"id": 36, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nshameless self check"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Exquisite thread, pretty good data."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe worst slander came from the (((dutch)))"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>So I keep seeing the narrative that Spain was uniquely brutal in things like the Reconquista\nKek I've been waiting for liberals to apply their White Original Sin theology to Reconquista, will be a new level of clown world to say Spain owes reparations for Reconquista or something."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\n>Intelligent people\nYou almost had me there."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>24\nThere was no university. Only centers of religious education for oligarchs without any formal education on sciences specially for normal people"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>33\nReminder that the only reason the indians stopped being enslaved is because the vatican ordered them to convert them in exchange for the property rights over america. Which disallowed iberians to exploit indians to death as they were now subjects of the vatican therefore of the crown(until encomienda work camps or haciendas ofc)"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>34\nThe law of burgos only prevented them from being enslaved. Not from being explouted to death. Spain depopulated the 15 millions of the inca empire by overworking them to death in silver mines god knows how many feets of altitude. Making their lungs implode.\nSame with central americans."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>Only centers of religious education for oligarchs without any formal education on sciences specially for normal people\nare you only just now learning that there werent public universities in the XVI century? good job i suppose, doesnt take away from the true fact: there were more universities in spanish america than in the entirety of europe at by the XVIII century.\nalso, just because they were religious institutions doesnt mean they ignored the sciences, in fact it was the church that carried the load of innovation and discovery in the scientific fields until well into the XIX century.\nthey werent public schools meant for farmers, they were intellectual environments that only accepted those from families that could afford to teach their children to read and write from a young age (exactly the same as the unviersities in europe until after ww2)\nsuch a pointless rebuttal\nhowever, its worth pointing out that in the very encomiendas the landowner was obligated by law (those of 1512) to teach 1 out of every 50 indians to read and write, so that he may teach the other indians.\nthis concept was revolutionary and not even present in mainland europe at the time, which helped explode literacy in the viceroyalties by the XVIII century, and explains the abundance of universities as well as unviersity graduates\n>>43\n>in exchange for the property rights over america\nwhat the fuck. they conquered them. they had no property rights, except for those few that had cooperated with the conquerors. you argue with statements that only a child would make, as if you cannot comprehend the nature of conquest, or rather refuse to.\n>>44\n>exploited to death\nall of your lies fall flat on their face if you actually bother to read the laws of burgos\nhere, learn something https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos\n>Spain depopulated the 15 millions of the inca empire\nyeah sure man, there were 50 million indians living in the andes in a stone age civilization, why not lol"}, {"id": 46, "content": "idk what kind of seething hate you must have for the spanish empire, but by every account and documental record, their treatment of the natives health, wealth and dignity was beyond fair and reasonable, even unreasonably favourable at times\nyou say that they were exploited, when the very laws of burgos gave those miners you speak of 40 days of rest for every 5 months work (more rest than today's miners for example). when they were only allowed to be worked for 2 years before being set free of their contract (that they signed willingly, not as slaves)\nyou say that the universities were exclusionary, while 1 out of every 50 indians was mandated by law to be taught to read and right\nyou say that their properties rights were stolen, when native indian estates were protected by law and their rites and customs ordered to be left alone (except cannibalism and human sacrifice)\n\nyou do nothing but lie. the sad part is that youre not lying about spain or my ancestors (who stayed), youre lying about the good deeds of your very own ancestors, those that crossed an ocean full of danger and found the goodness of jesus christ to treat those under their control with respect and fairness, when they had absolutely no obligation to do so, so that they too could be shown the light of god and save their souls. you must be a very resentful person to act in such a way"}, {"id": 47, "content": "i recommend anyone interested in the treatment of the indians read both the laws of burgos and the new laws of the indies. there was no empire more holy and humanitarian than the spanish empire\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Laws"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nboth gave native indians protections that even mainland european subjects and serfs would not have until almost two centuries later"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>8\nYou're not Spanish"}, {"id": 50, "content": "apparently slavery of indians (safe for those incurred by a serious crime) was abolished by Isabel in 1501, not 1512. you learn something every day huh"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nHe is Hispanic, so he not only he has ancestors from Spain but also from the Spanish Empire in America. He is more Spanish than 30% of Spaniards (left-shits, traitors, liberals, and all of the anti-Spain from separatist regions)."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>39\nwhy are duch like this"}, {"id": 53, "content": "The dutch are and were big crying babies, envy is why they are like this."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>45\n>are you only just now learning that there werent public universities in the XVI century? good job i suppose, doesnt take away from the true fact: there were more universities in spanish america than in the entirety of europe at by the XVIII century.\nCalling a church a university will give you nice numbers. Is irrelevant. Spanish universities only told theology in order to teach priests how to indoctrinate native americans. They had no formal education on sciences.\nUntil the universitary reformation in the 20th century unaccesible for anyone but clergy and ologarchy, without freedom of educative system and without any practical purpose. While univeraities in europe were giving birth to newtons universitues in america were telling how to convince txacalipahuataca to worship an edgy jewish fairy.\nOn the other hand, none of the things and obligations on these laws suited by austrians were complimented in the viceroyalties. That had independence\n>what the fuck. they conquered them. they had no property rights, except for those few that had cooperated with the conquerors. you argue with statements that only a child would make, as if you cannot comprehend the nature of conquest, or rather refuse to\nNice way to out yourself as completely historically illiterate. In the context of americas colonization every land without ownership had to be asked to the pope, as everything was meant to belong to god, the catholic kangs couldn't just claim land without the pope giving a \"ok\". In americas. The fine was given in exchange of converting most natives.\nWhich transformed them in subjects\n>all of your lies fall flat on their face if you actually bother to read the laws of burgos\nhere, learn something\nLaws mean nothing, not in practical terms, nor they have anything about laboral abuses, exploitation, mistreatments, overworking. the potosi mimes worked in shifts of 12 hours in a fucking mine in a highland and were barely paid enough to eat."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\nRetard"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>While univeraities in europe were giving birth to newtons\ninteresting, those same spanish universities you call \"churches\" produced great minds like miguel servet, who 100 years before newton, discovered the process of blood oxygenation, IN THE 1500s\nnot to mention antonio ulloa, who discovered platinum. antonio maria herrera who invented the concept of scientific literature. or francisco javier balmis who undertook the first smallpox vaccination campaign throughout the entire spanish empire (operacion balmis), travelling all over the world administrating life-saving doses of inert virus to the subjects of the empire, free of charge.\nyou are repeating clichés about things you dont know, assuming that religious institutions were inherently ignorant of the sciences, which is flat out contrary to established history. as i said, the church had been behind every major scientific innovation since its establishment, and still was during the empire.\nthe fact that you only know newton and not these other figures i mentioned is your problem of ignorance, not mine.\n>to convince txacalipahuataca to worship an edgy jewish fairy\ndont cut yourself on that edge\n>none of the things and obligations on these laws suited by austrians were complimented in the viceroyalties. That had independence\nthe viceroys that tried to rebel against the crown and ignore said laws were captured and executed. namely gonzalo pizarro. you are severely ignorant."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>In the context of americas colonization every land without ownership had to be asked to the pope\nyou call me ignorant...\nthe treaty of tordesillas was in 1494, and established what you said. by the time cortes lands in veracruz in 1518 it had already been established that all those lands belonged to the king of spain, with the mission of christianization of the natives. the king didnt have to ask papal permission every time he conquered another tribe, it was pre-established. that land had been rightfully spanish in the eyes of the church for 20 years before cortes ever stepped foot on the american mainland. they stole no property rights because it was already legally spanish, you cretin\n>Laws mean nothing, not in practical terms\nweird. those meaningless laws led to pizarro revolting against the crown, declaring independence, getting captured by imperial forces, and finally executed for treason. those same laws led to the viceroy of new spain antonio de mendoza getting deposed of his post for failure to apply them, and getting sent to peru as punishment (where the laws had already been enforced). those same laws, so meaningless, were among the first repealed by the \"libertadores\" new regimes in order to reinforce the castizo's wealth and dominant status (in the war where the vast majority of the natives fought for the imperial spanish).\na lot of consequences for such meaningless laws...\n>nor they have anything about laboral abuses, exploitation, mistreatments, overworking\nyou didnt read the laws then. they gave much more favourable working conditions than any spaniard enjoyed in the mainland.\n> the potosi mimes worked in shifts of 12 hours in a fucking mine in a highland and were barely paid enough to eat\nthe same conditions as any spanish miner, with the added bonus that the poor potosi got almost 3 months off a year while still getting paid, that is, until 1593 when felipe ii set a maximum of 8 hour work shifts. in 1593 mind you, 300 years early"}, {"id": 58, "content": "cant help but find the humour in an indigenist apologist complaining about 12 hour shifts, while defending cannablistic societies. what a twisted mind"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nCannibalism was also practiced in Europe.\n\nhttps://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/174636/tonhilee_1.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y\nhttps://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/18340/LesiukCummings_oregon_0171A_10945.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y\n\n>not content with having cruelly put to death their enemies, have been unable to slake their bloodthirst except by eating their livers and their hearts?\n\nhttps://vdoc.pub/documents/crowd-actions-in-britain-and-france-from-the-middle-ages-to-the-modern-world-193n82352uj0\n\n>his heart and liver were removed, stuck on sticks and carried around the town in triumph\n\nhttps://www.academia.edu/37220648/Natalie_Zemon_Davis_The_Rites_of_Violence_Religious_Riot_in_Sixteenth_Century_France_Past_and_Present_59_1_May_1973_51_91\n\n>Parts of corpses were sold at Villeneuve d'Avignon in 1561 (\"Five pence for a Huguenot's liver!\"); at Vire in 1562 (\"who wants to buy the tripe of Huguenots\n\nhttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1179/175330709X406410\nhttps://www.academia.edu/6178250/Draculean_Dimensions_of_Early_Modern_French_Politics_and_Religion_Vlad_III_%C5%A2epe%C5%9F_the_Impaler_and_Jean_de_L%C3%A9rys_Political_Project_in_Histoire_dun_voyage_faict_en_la_terre_du_Br%C3%A9sil_1599_1600_\nhttps://literaturabrasileira.ufsc.br/documentos/?action=download&id=123301\n\n>en le mordant à belles dents, et le baillant les uns aux autres, ils disoyent qu'ils savoyent bien, qu'avant que mourir ils mangeroyent d'un Huguenot.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_de_Witt#Disaster_year_and_De_Witt's_Death\n\n>Nevertheless, he was sentenced to exile. When his brother went over to the jail (which was only a few steps from his house) to help him get started on his journey, both were attacked by members of The Hague's civic militia. The brothers were shot and then left to the mob. Their naked, mutilated bodies were strung up on the nearby public gibbet, while the Orangist mob ate their roasted livers in a cannibalistic frenzy."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">Latin America sends Spain money, soldiers and resources to free the peninsula from frogs.\n>Oh gee wiz, panchitos, thanks. How about I take the little autonomy you have left away and sent a disproportionate amount troops to anhihilate those pesky indepes that might be your brothers, sons and cousins.\nWhat did they expect to happen? We aren't cucks like Catalonians, we fight back. A mayoritarian latino Cortes in Madrid would have been fun to see tho."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\n>>59\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-gruesome-history-of-eating-corpses-as-medicine-82360284/\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannibalism#Europe"}, {"id": 62, "content": "Deep down south Americans wish they were colonize by anglos"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">Modern Ideas of sanitation\nNigga.... Is this a joke?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>45\nIncas were copper and bronze age.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_America#Inca_Empire\n\nhttps://www.csmonitor.com/1984/0216/021617.html\n\n>When handling an alloy, metallurgists are careful not to poison the mix of metals with unwanted elements. Bismuth, for example, can make bronze brittle. However, it now appears that ancient Inca smiths of Machu Picchu learned how to use bismuth to give bronze new properties without such embrittlement.\n\n>>34\n>in fact it is only thanks to spanish monks that oral stories, that had never been written down by the natives, were put to paper and conserved to our day.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Landa#Suppression_of_Maya_and_destruction_of_Maya_texts\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_script#History"}, {"id": 65, "content": "I need some specific cases of the crown punishing individuals for abusing native american peasants after 1600."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>21\nThe Inquisition in Kerala also burned countless Syriac Christian manuscripts at the Synod of Diamper in 1599.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Diamper\n\nhttps://hamletram.blogs.pot.com/2020/06/burning-of-libraries-in-kerala-by.html\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahatallah\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coonan_Cross_Oath\n\nhttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-global-history/article/making-money-at-the-blessed-place-of-manila-armenians-in-the-madrasmanila-trade-in-the-eighteenth-century/5B0481C8F3C2F0D7D470D38408B956BB\n\n>A decree issued in 1713 declared that, like 'other enemies of the Holy Faith', schismatic [read Apostolic] Armenians\n\nhttps://wonderfilledissa.blog/globetrotting-for-silver-in-the-pearl-of-the-orient-the-voyages-of-armenian-merchants-from-new-julfa-to-manila-philippines/\n\n> In 1713, there was a Spanish decree that forced “all Moros, Armenians, Malabars, Chinese, and other enemies of the Holy Faith” to relocate\n\nhttps://dx.doi.org/10.1525/california/9780520266872.003.\n0003\n\n>These merchants [the Armenians] had, fora longtime, been concerned with the linen ... Armenians, Malabars, Chinese, and other enemies of the Holy\n\nhttps://www.asj.upd.edu.\nph/mediabox/archive/ASJ_56_2_2020/04_Possible_Worlds_Rafael_Daniel_Baboom.pdf\n\n>Key words: Rafael Daniel Baboom, Damian Domingo, Armenians in the Philippines ... other\n\nhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/23654532\n\nClarence-Smith, William Gervase. “Middle Eastern Migrants in the Philippines: Entrepreneurs and Cultural Brokers.” Asian Journal of Social Science, vol. 32, no. 3, 2004, pp. 425–57. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/23654532.\n\n>sent in the Philippines from an early date, but Christian Armenians prob ... of 1713 established that, like \"other\n\nhttps://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A56527.0001.001/1:8.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>21\n>>66\nhttps://www.academia.edu/46546220/The_Possible_Worlds_of_Rafael_Daniel_Baboom_An_Indian_Armenian_Merchant_in_Manila_1\n\n>.. Armenians who subscribed to the Eastern rite of Catholicism were considered “like other enemies of\n\nhttps://www.asj.upd.edu.\nph/mediabox/archive/ASJ_56_2_2020/04_Possible_Worlds_Rafael_Daniel_Baboom.pdf\n\n>... Eastern Churches in the 17th century, Armenians who subscribed to the Eastern rite\n\nhttps://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A56527.0001.001/1:8?rgn=div1;view=fulltext\n\n>Here; being brought in by some Armenian Merchants, (who had had commerce formerly at ... that he may quell the pride of the Enemies of the Holy Faith, ...\n\nhttps://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A56527.0001.001/1:8.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext\n\n>Here; being brought in by some Armenian Merchants, (who had had commerce formerly at ... that he may quell the pride of the Enemies of the Holy Faith, ..."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\nNo, only retards that don't realize they wouldn't be alive in such a scenario wish that. Plus there's very successful Anglo colonies like Australia but also utter clusterfucks like South Africa or British Guyana.\n\nNothing guarantees the Anglos wouldn't have simply imported millions of Pajeet coolies and created even more fucked up racial divisions. (Which is what they did in South Africa and British Guyana)"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>only retards that don't realize they wouldn't be alive in such a scenario wish that\nThe British tried the same colonial strategy as the Spanish when they conquered Mexico and Peru. Initially, the American colonies were poor and underdeveloped because there were no empires with organisations to take advantage of, but decentralised tribes, so their first colonies failed."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnnecessary slaughter of protestants didn't help but I've always been pro-Spain otherwise desu"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>57\nTiene razon. Bruto.\n>La evangelización en América fue la conversión al cristianismo y educación en la fe cristiana que realizaron misioneros católicos, la misma fue promovida y organizada por los reyes de España, mediante una concesión del papa expresada en varias bulas.[1]Desde que los Reyes Católicos toman conocimiento del descubrimiento del Nuevo Mundo, a la Corona española se le conceden diversas concesiones, que les reconocen los derechos sobre las tierras descubiertas y sus habitantes, mediante una donación del papa\nLa evangelizacion de america fue orden del papa."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>57\n>weird. those meaningless laws\nYes. Meaningless. Treaty of burgos was triggered because spaniards literally exterminated tainos by exploiting them and because the pope wanted. Even then, viceroyalties and every spanish administrator was severely brutal with indigenous people. The mortality rate at haciendas, mines and plantations was abyssmal, silicosis, overworking, respiratory problems, the peruvian highlinds were never meant to be exploited because minery compress the lungs. And highlands lack oxygen, besides having lower pressure. You exterminated millions by making their lungs implode by overworking them in the potosi mines. Of which 20% was given as taxation to the crown, the \"quinto real\". The mitayos barely received a paid to survive during the time they remained out their ayllus, and you forced them to give 1/7 of their working age men each year, with insane mortality rates exploiting the previous inca sistem but destroying all social accords it had.\nThe whole reason the revolution happened is because the crown keot sending functionaries from the peninsula to overrun anyone native blocking any social mobility. Only remaining somewhat represented in cabildos. The overseas commerce was monopolized by the crown.\nThe only reason you had to brough africans to the former inca empire is that you exploited a entire continent to death.\n\n\nPathetic dindu"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>59\n>>61\n>posts a total of 0 instances of cannibalism in spain\nthe fuck do i care what other barbarians were doing? for spaniards cannibalism was seen as barbaric and demonic, and therefore anyone who refused to repent and convert would be treated as a demon worhsipper. simple.\n>>60\nthe indians sided with the crown during the revolutions. your narrative is made up\n>>63\n>there were 22 million indians in stone age mesoamerica trust me!\nkek, embarrassing headcannon. make it at least remotely believable, like maybe 5 million at that\n>>66\n>portuguese mistreatment of indians and persians\nso? that doesnt relate to the discussion in the slightest\n>https://wonderfilledissa.blog/globetrotting-for-silver-in-the-pearl-of-the-orient-the-voyages-of-armenian-merchants-from-new-julfa-to-manila-philippines/\ndid you even bother reading what you post? armenians were temporarily forced outside of the privileged city quarters of manila, like every other asian ethnic group. meanwhile, from your own source\n>even though the Spaniards were already tolerant towards them and accepted them as non-Protestant Christians\nthere is no mention of any abuse aside from said relocation, which was an incentive towards conversion to catholicism, nothing more.\n>>67\n>eastern heretics were treated as eastern heretics, while sources point to great tolerance either way\nbravo. vomit some more sources you havent read im sure youll eventually find something\n>>71\na ver, pedazo de buey, has escrito exactamente lo mismo que he posteado yo. todo ya habia sido recogido en el tratado de tordesillas. que te has puesto nervioso y no lo has entendido."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>spaniards literally exterminated tainos\nyou mean columbus' expedition, which resulted in his imprisonment and his removal as governor of any indians for life?\n>every spanish administrator was severely brutal with indigenous people\ni literally posted examples of indians being granted the same legal rights as mainland spaniards, even some that spaniards didnt have (literacy for e.g.) and despotic viceroys that ignored said laws being deposed of their duties and punished.\nif your argument is \"laws dont mean anything because some people still rape and kill\" then i think the youtube comment section might be more your speed.\n>The mortality rate at haciendas, mines and plantations was abyssmal, silicosis, overworking, respiratory problems\nproblems that existed before the spaniards arrived, problems that existed in every european country and colonial empire, problems that existed in countries like france all the way into post ww2. the difference being that the spanish crown made a concerted effort in improving those inevitable tragedies of their contemporary lack of medicinal and bacterial knowledge, when they had no obligation to do so.\nthose problems were not created by the spanish, those problems were created by the mere nature of laborious work in the XVI century. its sad that this needs to be explained on a history board of all places.\nnot to mention, spain was the first country to institute the 8 hour work shift, in 1593. im sure youll also find a twisted way to complain about that too.\n>the peruvian highlinds were never meant to be exploited\nTIL indians voluntarily working in mines in exchange for pay and shelter is exploitation. i guess every single civilization before the modern medicinal revolution was exploitative then. we can agree there i guess."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\n>You exterminated millions\nbillions actually, some even say trillions. there were 20 new york cities in the andes mountains and spain nuked them all. kek\n>overworking them in the potosi mines\nthey literally worked less than european miners\n>20% was given as taxation to the crown, the \"quinto real\"\nso 80% stayed in america. real exploitation you have there.\n>with insane mortality rates exploiting the previous inca sistem\nyeah yeah, incas killing miners good, spanish killing miners bad. weve been over this already.\n>all social accords it had\ndid the incas get fined for mistreatment of their workers? did they regulated 12hr, and then 8 hour work days? did they forbid women and children from working laborious fields such as minery and agriculture? name these social accords, lets compare the exploitation"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>The whole reason the revolution happened is because the crown keot sending functionaries from the peninsula to overrun anyone native blocking any social mobility\nsomeone should have told the natives, since they were all too stupid and ended up fighting with the crown against the anglo-libertador armies\nhttps://es.bebee.com/producer/por-que-tantos-pueblos-americanos-apoyaron-a-espana-contra-los-independentistas\nor maybe it had something to do with the castizos viewing the indians as nothing more than animals, with their only source of protection being the crown? maybe?\nhttps://www.abc.es/historia/abci-pensaba-simon-bolivar-sobre-indigenas-mas-ignorantes-raza-espanoles-201810090210_noticia.html\n>The overseas commerce was monopolized by the crown.\nfalse. the crown regulated the naval imports and exports from the virreinatos (new spain to phillippines (for e.g.), but did not interfere in commerce between land locked ones, aside from residual taxation if that. in fact the reason why remote regions in central america such as guatemala and honduras managed to prosper was precisely due to the freedom of trade that new spain enjoyed within itself, until the creation of new capitanias that sprung up around it.\neven then, the naval regulation i mentioned was only enforced on european ships for the most part. you can find numerous instances of indian and asian traders doing business in the empire without any special taxes. there was no discrimination in order to be a crown sponsored trader, aside from being catholic\nhere, its only 30 pages\nhttps://estudiosamericanos.revistas.csic.es/index.php/estudiosamericanos/article/view/743"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>72\n>The only reason you had to brough africans to the former inca empire is that you exploited a entire continent to death.\nthat is just demonstably false. peru hardly received any african slave labour, it was almost entirely used in the cash crops of the carribbean countries and colombia (new granada), with some in isolated cities of new spain. even the argentine government (probably lying somewhat) estimates around 40k slaves in all of peru, with 20k only in lima used in house duties and service industries, and were hardly treated as slaves as they were more seen as luxury commodities that had to be well-maintained.\nall in all, id put the figure of slaves actually working as slaves in peru between 5-10k at any given moment. but even if you want to subscribe to the 20k number, id like to know how you replace the \"extermination of millions\" with 20k slaves. the numbers in your fantasy land just dont seem to add up\n>Pathetic dindu\nironic, since were most likely talking about your ancestors here and not mine"}, {"id": 78, "content": "imagine having such a feeble and malleable mind that you insult and denigrate your own ancestors because some indigenist youtube channel told you so. you better hope the bible is a fabrication, because if not youll have some very hard explaining to do to your great-great-great.....grandparents, assuming saint peter lets you, or them, through that is"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>5\n>Spain left their territories with 50 universities, 40 World Heritage sites, thousands of cities, roads,hospitals, cathedrals, schools, and a long etc.\nYou do realize you are talking about anglos and bragging about leaving behind civilizations"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nname a successful anglo colony where they didnt almost entirely replace/kill the native population"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>10\n>well they were just very religious back then and had to fight heresy\nI'm really not a Black legend believer, but no, this isn't it. Church and temporal authorities both had their excesses. But the clergy were the ones trying to moderate and resist the extremes of exploitation, cruelty and destruction being practiced by the lay people. People weren't worked to death on plantations and in the mines out of religious conviction, it was out of simple greed. And when priests objected, these adventurers ignored it, as though they maybe weren't actually very pious people."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>5\n>Spain left their territories with 50 universities\nWhat did these institutions produce exactly"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nPriests"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nHong kong, singapore, new zealand"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>unknown\ncope"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>Hong kong\nalready developed into a profitable trading hub by the portuguese. no british merit in mere administration of an already existing successful society\n>singapore\nan absolute shithole trading port run by wealthy foreigners and organised crime, full of disease and degeneracy of every kind? for an english pirate it would seem like heaven, for 95% of the population it was a death sentence. this would only change after ww2.\nit was objectively far worse off than mexico, argentina, venezuela, colombia, or even chile, for the entirety of its colonial period\n>new zealand\ni accept your concession\n>>82\n>>83\ncarlos de sigüenza y gongora\njuan de correa\nmartin de la cruz\neusebio francisco kino\njuan escalante de mendoza\ndiego garcia de palacio\nfrancisco javier alegre\nmiguel de sologuren\nfrancisco javier clavijero\nfray diego rodriguez\nfrancisco hernandez\nmartin de sesse y lacasta\njose mariano mociño\n\nyou have a lot of reading to do"}, {"id": 87, "content": "Spain was the first colonial empire in the Americas, and news of how poorly they treated their new subjects diffused broadly to Europe before a bunch of kings and merchants saw dollar signs and decided to follow their lead."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>already developed into a profitable trading hub by the portuguese\nWrong\nIt was extremely unprofitable and impoverished under the portuguese. Basically angola. It wasn't until the british colonized it that it became sucessful\nCompare british colonized mexico vs spanish colonized mexico. The contrast is clear.\nTijuana vs texas.\n>singapore\nOne of the richest ex colonies in earth\nArguably richer than spain itself.\nAgain thanks to british.\nUnlike all spanish colonies with exploitation concentration camps with mortality rates of 40-50% yearly. Basically meat grinders.\n>i accept your concession\nSorry tho, not only new zealand its prosperous and roughly half maori. Its also richer than iberian shitholes with twice of their population lmao compare poortugal.\n\nTruly an inferior race. Even half abbochink countries run better than iberians"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\n>carlos de sigüenza y gongora\n>juan de correa\n>martin de la cruz\n>eusebio francisco kino\n>juan escalante de mendoza\n>diego garcia de palacio\n>francisco javier alegre\n>miguel de sologuren\n>francisco javier clavijero\n>fray diego rodriguez\n>francisco hernandez\n>martin de sesse y lacasta\n>jose mariano mociño\nLiterally who\nFor god sake australia was creating war tanks and you are quoting literally whoms that were likely priests or some shit lmao"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nShit like cartographers, translators and painters. None did anything notorious though"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nWhy did he tought naming 5 sailors and 4 translators and dudes that painted maps was a good comeback about his universitary output lel.\nWith so many \"universities\" i would expect to see a notorious mathematician or physicist on par with newton"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nOne of the guys he mentioned defended the reinassance heliocentrism but he was targeted by the mexican inquisition in return lmao\nAbsolute state\n>Nevertheless, these were radical steps, and the scientific community he headed in Mexico accepted them about 30 years before their colleagues in Spain. >One reason for this surprising difference is that the books of modern science originating in Protestant countries were refused entry into Spain by the censors. Booksellers, in order not to lose their investments, often sent the contraband books on to America. Because of this aspect of Rodriguez's work, he was a target of Mexican Inquisition.[3]"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>86\n>>88\nHong Kong was never under Portuguese administration."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\nhong kong wasnt portuguese, like kind anon >>93 pointed out. mixed it up with macao, my mistake\n>Compare british colonized mexico vs spanish colonized mexico\nmexico was tremendously wealthy before and immediately after they gained independence. the fact that theyre shithole now is irrelevant\n>Tijuana vs texas\nkek. texas was founded by the spanish\n>One of the richest ex colonies in earth\nwas a shithole full of crime and poverty during its entire colonial existence. they are rich now in spite of british rule, not because of it. the only positive aspect of their colonial period was the infrastructure the british built, and even then most of it turned out to be useless and pointless.\n>with exploitation concentration camps with mortality rates of 40-50% yearly\ncategorically false. post the treatment the native chinamen and malays in singapore received so we can compare. ill wait.\n>and roughly half maori\nyou mean those they legally treated as furniture until after ww2? great example of uplifting you have there kek\nhong kong is a valid example, all the others are pathetic and were measurably worse off than spanish colonies during their entire colonial period. there was a reason english pirates roamed the carribbean, and only backwater chinese mercenaries bothered to raid india or singapore."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>89\n>>90\n>>91\n>>92\ncarlos de sigüenza y gongora (mathematician and cosmologist)\njuan de correa (painter)\nmartin de la cruz (doctor, medical researcher)\neusebio francisco kino (jesuit explorer, cartographer)\njuan escalante de mendoza (author, cartographer)\ndiego garcia de palacio (author, judge, inquisitor)\nfrancisco javier alegre (philosopher, professor)\nmiguel de sologuren (poet)\nfrancisco javier clavijero (expelled jesuit, professor of history and philosophy)\nfray diego rodriguez (mathematician, astronomer)\nfrancisco hernandez (doctor, medical researcher)\nmartin de sesse y lacasta (plant biologist)\njose mariano mociño (plant biologist)\nnext time you attempt to handwave something, try to spend a minimum of 5 minutes reading about what youre going to post instead of looking this foolish\nthe fact that they arent world-renowned is irrelevant to the point of the discussion. these are all intellectuals born in the americas that, through the spanish-built universities, achieved a career in both the sciences and the humanities.\nnow post the nigerian, singaporean, kenyan etc... equivalent. you cant, which is why you handwave and engage in whataboutism. reality is against you so you just pretend to ignore it as best you can\n>For god sake australia was creating war tanks\nin the XVIII century? do post, must be the best kept secret of military history in the world"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, but labeling it as an anti-Spanish fable is misleading at best. It was an anti-Catholic campaign. Where else would we get the notion of something as absurd as \"Bloody Mary\"? Even her worst accusation is just the execution of a few hundred people - all dissidents; bad, but nothing particularly gruesome for the time. It's not like she was massacring entire villages or families. Even this worst crime is likely deeply exaggerated.\nAnti-Catholic sentiment persisted in England for centuries, basically until the modern day when people became incredibly agnostic.\nYou are both wrong and right in your diagnosis. The Spanish weren't uniquely brutal in their actions, but they were still exceedingly cruel by modern standards. For example, the encomienda system in the New World was essentially just a form of serfdom. It may have been relatively standard for the time, but make no mistake that they subjected millions of people to slavery-light and ruined their otherwise normal lives. Later, Catholics helped pioneer the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, which you will not easily wash your hands of.\nHowever, the Catholics were also exceedingly righteous and just in their conquest. They ended horrible practices like child sacrifice, endorsed racial equality with Natives *as religious dogma* within <50 years of first contact, and abolished the encomienda system.\nBasically, the best retort is to say the British were the most racist."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>73\nDid you read the jstor article? The Spanish inquisition opened up cases on Armenians in the Americas who were accused of being crypto-Oriental Orthodox after converting."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>86\nThanks for the list, I will research."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>75\nThe Spanish conquistadors, who went to Hispaniola and then to other Caribbean islands and finally to the mainland, were rough and violent. They took what they wanted, and when the Indians resisted--or even when they did not--the conquistadors attacked and slaughtered them.\n\n>“The Spaniards with their horses, their spears and lances, began to commit murders and other strange cruelties. They entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women. They ripped their bellies and cut them to pieces as if they had been slaughtering lambs in a field.\n-Bartolomé de Las Casas"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>10\n>ExSpanish territories/colonies: Luxembourg, Netherlands, Lietchestein, Florida, California, Texas.\nIs Juan serious?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\nyes, i read it. and it states that while some were persecuted for religious reasons, the vast majority suffered no discrimination, while their trading activities also enjoying protections from the crown. racism is always prevalent to some degree, so im sure there was a healthy dose of that at all times, both ways.\n>>99\nhispaniola was a disaster. the crown was completely justified in imprisoning columbus and barring him from any future governorship for life. i make no excuses for that atrocity, though the numbers are up for debate on both sides. what isnt up for debate is the cruelty of columbus' expedition towards the natives.\nthis incident was precisely what compelled isabel of castille to pass the law banning slavery of natives in 1501. the law might not have been followed 100% of the time, like any law, but the will of the crown was very clear from early on: natives were not to be abused as slaves, rather christianized and civilized.\ntheres a reason spain's colonies werent formally called colonies, and thats because they werent. the crown's mission was to recreate spain in the americas, educating the natives in the spanish civilization and religion, so that they would in time become spanish like any peninsular in due time. a mission they succeeded in, until the napoleonic wars and independence movements arose and swiftly destroyed it."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>>100\nthe first american dollar was printed on real de a ocho (the world currency for over 200 years) templates granted to them by the spanish crown. spanish ports brought in the little foreign commerce to the american rebels during the war, and allowed repair of american ships after their ports were destroyed by the british. bernardo de galvez was a central figure in the war for independence, taking pensacola and mobile from the british, and capturing multiple forts along the mississipi. he has half a dozen localities in todays usa to his name, and was granted honorary us citizenship for his bravery in the war.\nthis is all to say that you underestimate spanish influence in north america. san francisco, los angeles, san antonio, san diego, san jose, el paso, memphis, tucson, santa fe, albuquerque were all spanish founded towns that either thrived or endured in inhospitable territory, disconnected from the wealthy hubs of new spain and the carribbean, and suffering constant indian raids.\nall the way up to alaska (valdes, cordova), the spanish left their mark in north america, building towns, hospitals, forts, markets, ports...\nso yes, florida, california, texas, are absolutely spanish colonies\nsee picrel, it would be used in the newly founded usa as legal tender until 1857"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\n>>102\nnotice the two real de a ocho coins displayed on the top corners, with the spanish coat of arms and \"rey de las españas\" (king of the spains) engraved on both"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nchecked but thats the coat of arms of castille not spain"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nyoure right, phoneposting on the way to work i assumed it was the spanish emblem"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>91\nSame, when he posted that I was genuinely excited to learn about historical figures I'd never heard of, turns out they arn't very known because they did fuck all."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>85\nyeah, you're right you are coping."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>100\nHe is the maximum wewuzer. Spics cant into civilization\nThats why their biggest achievement is mexico and being conquered by anglos is a achievement for them"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\ncope"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>since the places that actually have significant numbers of native Americans were Spanish\nthat's only because the numbers of natives were too big or the territory wasn't as important\n>and Portuguese colonies\nportuguese genocided the brazilian natives, the few remaining ones were too deep in the jungle to be killed\n\niberians are truly subhumans and only good at football"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe eternal angloid"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>106\npost nigerian university graduates. or british built nigerian universities for that matter. ill wait."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">uhmmm those universities only produced priests lol XD\n>gets rebuked with a dozen historically relevant graduates from said universities, of which 1 was a priest licensed in theology\n>well they arent in my history textbook so they dont matter!\nthe argumentation skills of a newborn platypus"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>27\nNone of the people you linked married their niece. Do you know the difference between a niece and a cousin?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe anglo cope in this thread is unbeliable\n>inb4 lmao you are posting in english\njódanse angloides, pronto todo Estados Unidos estarán llenos de los que ustedes llaman panchitos, y con ello, el español se alzará como lengua franca.\n>>100\nthis is cope or retardation"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nso you draw the line of incest at 1st cousins... i cant see you all the way at the top of your moral high-ground. we must all look like ants to you, cousinfucker."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey weren't uniquely brutal, but they were uniquely incompetent which is worse in the long run."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nuntil the napoleonic wars spanish colonies were far wealthier than any anglo colony on the planet. things change with the passing of time, youll understand once you get older\ntry reading, translate it if you cant\nhttps://cvc.cervantes.es/ciencia/humboldt/comentarios_espanha_03.htm"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>116\nTell that to the Pope who explicitly told Philip II it was against the Bible while he was willing to grant dispensation for cousin marriages."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>112\nholy cope"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>109\n>cope, he gibbers"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>2\n>100 years later their rulers somehow become austrians"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>115\n>simping for people who hate you"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>100\nHe's just proving the point that if spanish america was conquered by anglos it would be first world lmao.\nCompare anglo conquered spanish territory (texas) with anything south of it"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>95\n>painter, author, cartographers, philosophers, poets, botanists\nNone of these things require universitary formation they were empty nominal designations given since the middle ages to random people. Only maths required some formation. And the mathematicians were self-told or told by someone else.\nIts a list of 6 cartographers the best your 60 universities have to offer?\nGives a scope on what sort of \"\"\"universities\"\"\"\" they were\nAs always. Empty names, meaningless statements, and useless titles. Like everything spain has produced\nUniversities that created no scientists\nEmpires that had no civilization\nTrade hubs that only traded with spain\nLaws without effectiveness\nBenevolence that exploited to death\nEconomies that broke by existing\nIndustry that only imported raw materials\n\nSeems that iberians are only good to whine and dindu.\nThe native population of central and south america was over 40 million when spaniards arrived, and below 5 million when they left.\nBasically 5 holocausts.\nNatives were tied to horses and dismembered in parks by the pull of the horses in 4 directions."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\nGuyana is in South America, was colonized by the Anglos and it's a fucking shithole. I doubt you Burgers know what Guyana is though, geography is not your strong suit.\n\nYou can identify it on this map pretty easily though, it's the least developed country in Mainland South America."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nSorry. You just proved that if a spanish colony is conquered by anglos (Puerto rico, all of the southern us)\nAnd spaniards become servants and slaves for anglo masters the superior anglo can turn them into forst world\nBut the ones ran by themselves always end up failing\nTexas, california, puerto rico, Nevada, etc.\n\nIt just proves the point latinx try to stress\n\"If anglos conquered us we would be rich\"\nIs true.\nIts spaniarda that cant run their countries"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nGuyana is a dutch colony that was given to anglos in a treaty. Anglos never invested anything in the colony. It is ran by pajeets. The entire elite in guyana is indoguyanese and some sinoguyanese. Its an indian colony if anything"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nCope. It has been administered by the British since 1786, and most of the Pajeet descendants there are from 1830 onwards when the British begun importing them by the boatload after slavery was abolished.\n\nThe British would have done the same in South America, at least in the tropical regions which were suitable for plantation economies, just import Blacks and/or Pajeets by the boatload and use them to grow cotton, tobacco and rubber.\n\n>>127\n>schizo rant\nPuerto Rico lives on gibs from the US Federal Government"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nCope about what? Guyana is originally a dutch colony, anglos never gave a shit about it so they shipped a couple of pajeets and allowed them to run it. If jeets failed running it (they somewhat dont as they remained elite and blacks underclass but thats other matter) is not england fault. The whole ruling class and elite of guyana were almost entirely always pajeets."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\n>Puerto Rico lives on gibs from the US Federal Government\nWhy is texas rich and mexico poor? Why is california twice as richer as spain with less people?\nAlmost as if the problem was the people running them... almost as if the only way for a spanish land to succed was bowing and serving anglos.... almost as if spaniards were inferior..."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nIt was run by the British until WWII when the franchise was extended to people that weren't land owners. Cope.\n\n>>131\nSpain is more developed than the US and Spaniards live way longer than Americans, with much less crime to boot... nobody cares about MUH GEE DEE PEE fake Jewish numbers, quality of life is what matters."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe it was a bit exaggerated in Anglo sources, but black legend theory gets titled too far the other way to completely white wash the catholic church and spain. Follow any random quote from Professor Soandso talking about it and you will find they were in Opus Dei or something like that."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>6\nWhy is there so much anglo ass-pain on this website."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\n>Texas is rich and mexico is poor because I SAID SO\nSo you're saying if I went into Mexico I couldn't find a billionaire and if I went into Texas I couldn't find homeless people?"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>100\nThat's not as bad as you think, Charles V heavily relied on his spanish troops in his internal wars in the HRE because they could be counted on for loyalty. Including using them to garrison strong points throughout the empire and italy."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>5\nLatin America is a massive shithole compared to former Anglo colonies\n>inb4 africa\nWasn't colonized nearly as long as the Americas"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nThe Caribbean is as always artfully ignored."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>58\n>meme image"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>132\n>gdp per capita doesn't matter\nHoly cope"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>125\nThe natives died from smallpox retard."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\nIt matters in a number of factors, Spain has the same GDP per capita as the UK. Both are lower than America, but so is crime, life expectancy is better, etc."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>28\nIsn't it difficult to know what the true population density of NA was pre-contact since diseases from Europeans preceded them, thus wiping out many Natives before contact ever occurred?"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nNo not really. Most sustained indigenous contact with euros happened while the injuns were living their post-apocalypse."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nThe process would normally be\n>Explorers (usually spanish) pass by a region\n>Record a bunch of shit\n>When the euros get back there most of the Indian tribes initially recorded don't even exist anymore and the region is fucking depopulated."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\n>People still shill the retarded germ theory\nHey genisues, you know new world diseases killed europeans and their animals too? They still fucking survived."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>141\nNope. Spanish killed them\nThe smallpox cope is pink legend"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>141\nThen why do spics call themselves conquistadores instead of infectators? Basically the equivalent of aids bags"}, {"id": 149, "content": "Solo voy a decir que es bueno que la leyenda negra se esta callendo, incluso si es de apoquito\nPero recuerden no caer en la leyenda Rosa, recuerden que estamos en otros tiempos y recuerden que no todo fueron buenos ni malos (especialemente en las independencias)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">btfos secessionists in your path"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh Treason Lee Surrendered.\n― Jefferson Finis Davis\n\n>BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80 [Embed]\n>THE YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GztxvlQglSc [Embed]\n>I WISH I WAS IN DIXIE\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OKdbc0DYpM [Embed]\n>UNION DIXIE\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvjOG5gboFU [Embed]\n>OH! SUSANNA\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfv9FDnMcaI [Embed]\n>JOHN BROWN'S BODY\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSn3NddwFQ [Embed]\n>WHEN JOHNNY COMES MARCHING HOME\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3k8H_9SjoM [Embed]\n\nI Never Surrendered.\n― Jefferson Finis Davis"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you think your forefathers were mindless filthy losers and why? I'm not speaking of some silly superstition here or there; I mean the full on Hollywood stereotype. If your forefathers could grow up and raise many kids to adulthood in a time of inferior meds, then surely they can't be complete retards that haven't figured out laundry, bathing, and mat-weaving"}, {"id": 2, "content": "they were the same as people now, if not smarter. i've seen stuff about how the intelligence of modern humans has declined compared to earlier people. but I am not sure how true it is, because science is currently in a replication crisis. More investigation is needed."}, {"id": 3, "content": "My forefathers were proud of their lifestyle and independance"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe Flynn effect is zero sum. The intelligence of a person is an average of the parents intelligence. There are less dumb people at the cost of geniuses."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If your forefathers could grow up and raise many kids to adulthood in a time of inferior meds, then surely they can't be complete retards"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe peasants were better off than the modern capitalists. At least they had food and housing. Modern capitalism is a return to slavery through wage slavery and the accumulation of wealth to a few individuals."}, {"id": 7, "content": "https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14939783/#14939875\n\nLeave all the troll threads up but that had to be deleted? CIA glownigger."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir kids made themselves productive since childhood, meanwhile I have never produced anything of value (useless essays in school) and never will because I don't need to."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy surname is literally the word for “peasant” in our fatherland’s language and also most people in my family are probably like 80- 95 IQ. I’m the most intelligent one by far and I am an actual nut job."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably not, only because my family history is far too interesting and crazy for that. In times of peace they were undoubtedly farmers or some sort of artisan. But during times of war they were clearly warriors who went all out.\n\nMy moms side seems to descend from a group of warrior-merchants who conquered large parts of south india in the late medieval era. Interestingly, they are a very academic family with very high degrees as early as the 40's and 50's for the women. If you can believe that."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nHonestly, I feel terrible that anyone is even are but since they all are, there are two things everyone should know:\n\n1. Despite what you think I am NOT your friend and never will be.\n2. This is the last place most of you should be anywhere near. I don’t need a tranny or geriatric methuselah’s opinion on Cartesian thought.\n\nAccept those two things and maybe I wouldn’t have to tell you shut the fuck up everyday."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were poor, not stupid."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nAre you actually a schizo?\nAre you intend very mad because I called out the lies you push"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\n> posting Africans who are only as numerous thanks to aid from the West"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n> \"ateast they had food and housing\"\nAre you starving on the street as you type this?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy peasant ancestors had wives, children, families and communities. I am a wagecuck who will die alone, childless and miserable."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI rather be an uncircumcised peasant than a jewed amerimutt."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you are white some of your ancestors were filthy losers and some were kings and nobility. People vastly underestimate how closely related any two random white people are."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nthis literally applies to everyone though."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\nI have food and housing."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>4\nI would take a society of moderately intelligent well mannered and civilized people where no one really stands out any day before a society of nigger-tier morons with a few sprinkled geniuses. Those geniuses wouldn't get the chance to prove themselves in a society of retards anyways.\n\nPre industrial Europe was the former. India today is the latter. We are slowly creeping towards becoming the latter too. I have seen the studies and can confirm average intelligence is dropping. The average medieval man was likely more intelligent and well adjusted than the average goyslopping pozzed globohomo fag of today."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Do you think your forefathers were mindless filthy losers\nNo\n>and why?\nOur earliest remembered ancestor was a government bureaucrat in Korea."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey knew how to do shit. It0's just they didn't have very wide horizons for anything and had rather boring lives.\nI would set myself on fire if I have to live through the village life they did."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nBut no I don't believe they we mindless filthy losers, they were just normal farming peasants."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Hitler a revolutionary socialist or a conservative capitalist?\n\nIt gets confusing because apparently a lot of the old Kaiser-era Prussian nobility supported Hitler in hopes of getting their land real estate and wealth back but at the same time Hitler created a state owned workers union and many bourgeoisie industry owners complained that they now no longer had control over their own businesses. Hitler even nationalized many industries.\nBut also, he denounced Marxism and completely eliminated all marxist/socialist parties including the more left-leaning members of the Nazi party."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Communism is totalitarianism with a claim on global rule by everyone. Fascism is totalitarianism with a claim on global rule by a particular people."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\n>”fascism is when big corporations control the government”\n\nNo."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was ultimately a corporatist with Socialist iconography.\nI think it's a difficult conversation to have. When we ask what Hitler was politically, should we look to his policies - the things he did as leader? Or should we reason that his policies were limited by the constraints of reality, i.e. WW2, and look to his theoretical ideals that he wrote down?\nThe reality is that Hitler didn't really have a unified theory of economics the way a Marxist Socialist does (or at least would at that time). You can deliberately skew your interpretation in a lot of ways here.\nI think equating Hitler with Marxist Socialism is outright deceitful and shows a fundamental misunderstanding with the material. However, making the nuanced point that he considered himself a Socialist (no, not just to get votes) distinct from Marxism is very valid.\nThe best example of corporatism in our modern world is probably Singapore or China. It is an authoritarian, command-ish economy. I say command-ish because the state will administer monopolies and intervene heavily in the market and the like, but it generally isn't outright trying to subsume the market the way most command economies do.\n\nUltimately, though, this is all null. The economic policies he enacted were constrained by the realities of fighting the largest war in human history. He could have been a radical Anarcho-Capitalist, but he'd be willing to nationalize steel to try and win a war."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nNo, fascism is a welfare state.\nNationalism isn't even a real feature of fascism and Hitler supported the EU."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nI love how he thinks is an obscure fun fact that Churchill used to be a Socialist. He has the most infamous quip of all time about it!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nOk but so is communism."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nCorporatism is not business corporation you absolute retard.\nEveryone on his shares your opinion as his is a retard board, and these threads are pathetic."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Remember, the mods deleted posts and people are still replying.\nEvery user of his is an absolute retard, every post below confirms this."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler was ultimately a bourgeo-fascist, whose purpose was securing the property of bourgeoisie and industrialist class against the left wing, through any means necessary. A lackey of the capital, throughly."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nConsidering mods deleted all the posts your reply is pretty stupid.\nBut I mean, this thread will get 300 replies and his will agree with your opinion. His is a retard board after all."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Look at this thread…\nIdeology is a sick poison that prevents people from actually looking at the policies that people implemented and judging them as such.\nLabeling everything doesn’t solve anything.\nGoddamn logicians and analytics…"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy does he have to be anything? Why do you have to categorize every idea into these stupid labels?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI’m from the post above you…\nCan we kiss?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was Hitler a revolutionary socialist or a conservative capitalist?\nHe was a conservative socialist."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nHmm maybe...\nThere's sadly nowhere on the internet free from these autists' compulsion to put every thought under some variety of ism and ology. It's so relentless."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a cliche answer everyone gives when the topic comes up, but that's a false dichotomy. He didn't care basically. He was obviously for private property and against communism, but he was also for a robust welfare state. So he was in the middle."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI think that the main issue in understanding Hitler’s economic policies today is that contemporary people tend to see politics as something where you have either leftist or rightist economic policies as the main focus, to accomplish goals that closely relate to economy - profit, welfare, etc. Basically, almost nobody looks into politics as something to completely reorient society, it’s more about fiddling with knobs to adjust the system we have in rather subtle ways. Not saying that as a bad thing, but it’s what it is.\n\nFor Hitler, the goal was creating a continental power hegemon out of Germany, and economy policies were but a mere tool for that. It’s a completely different perspective, and trying to understand it through the eyes of an economy-focused knob-fiddler just fails, not just getting the wrong answers, but asking the wrong questions in the first place. The mindsets are operating on completely different axes altogether.\n\nIt’s the same reason why political moderates often tend to have problems understanding the viewpoints of radicals, not just Hitler."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\n>Communism is totalitarianism with a claim on global rule by everyone\nand it just so happens that this \"everyone\" who is in charge is always the evrei one"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was the secret third thing, a fascist.\nFundamentally I think fascism is right-wing, but to tie up some of these loose ends...\nI think it's almost necessary for fascism to steal left-wing aesthetics and vocabulary and play with it in order to suit their political ends, but also seem new and revolutionary. Purposely the Nazis chose the color red to spite the left, who were their principal political opponents. They would create a \"state-owned\" \"workers union\"- in order bust existing unions in service of lowering compensation and increasing productivity.\nYou mention the industry owners and nationalization, but I think casting liberal economics aside is simply how it leaves the spectrum of centrist politics."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler was a revolutionary socialist but wanted to win the war before realizing his socialist utopia.\nThat's why he purged Röhm, whobwas abit too revolutionary for him, and appeased the aristocrats."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth and Neither. Hitler was a militaristic fascist first and foremost. He makes it clear in Mein Kampf that he thinks Germany needs to expand into Slavic Eastern Europe and Germanize it. He views Jewish capitalists and Jewish socialists as working together to subvert Germany and stop this from happening, and so wanted to unify Capitalist/Socialist interests for the purpose of eliminating Jews, first and foremost."}, {"id": 23, "content": "How bad was political repression in Italy compared to Germany or the Soviet Union?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is original sin really the same as concupiscence?\n\nSo sexual desire is at least disordered?\n\nIs it true this is passed down via semen hence why Jesus Christ was free from all concupiscence?\n\nIt makes sense, many psychologists believe the center of our personalities is our sexuality and our primary motivating factor in life. Does western Christianity have it correct then?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "paradise followed by an age of glory followed by an age of decline that will be followed by the age of mud and sand."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConcupiscence was a consequence of Original Sin, they are not identical. Sexual desire can be ordered or disordered. Christ being free of concupiscence would have been a result of the special graces afforded Him, like with the Virgin Mary, not a natural consequence. There are many people in history who have renounced sexuality altogether for the pursuit of God, such as the blessed Virgins, priests, saints, and eunuchs."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBut Augustine specifically identifies concupiscence with original sin. As do the reformers. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are Pelagian."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit says in the story you didn't read that god intended them to have sex before the fruit ever came into the picture."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is it true this is passed down via semen hence why Jesus Christ was free from all concupiscence?\n\nDid God not impregnate her with semen? God has testicles- man was created “in his image” exactly."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Ahh sweet, a schizo thread."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOriginal sin is catholic fanfiction"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid Adam and Eve have Down’s syndrome?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what was their problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunironically nothing.\nThe Tudors transformed England from a has-been backwater to a nation capable of competing with the continental empires of Europe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nExplain how"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImpotence"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nread motherfucker"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprotestantism"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Deal with it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the opinion of this board when analyzing this oil portrait of an 18th century German?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "> dis diliziouz kake is foulnized wiz da bet ingledentz known to mankind! Please try one sil, ol you'll get a lidle zlap on your red, swollen cheeks!"}, {"id": 3, "content": "That's not an 18th century German, that's a 17th century personification of February."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe fact that someone decided to paint this at all proves that men like him must have been at least a rare occurrence. Just like today."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot all Germans are like this right"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is /his/'s opinion"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncozy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the British voluntarily give up their colonies and dominant position in the world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they kept losing wars.\n/thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOverwhelming economic pressure after ww2 - iirc the colonies were a net liability by the 50s, combined with the USA refusing to economically support the UK conditional on them not pulling out of the Suez Crisis (which was a horrendous blunder).\nSuez was the last realistic gamble for the UK to maintain strategic dominance and it failed. Combine this with the dominant anti-colonial geopolitical environment of the cold war it was inevitable."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the actual useful colonies they could never hold when they demanded independence\n>this makes the other colonies far less useful since their importance of being hubs to get to said colonies was gone\n>British citizens weren't eager of maintaining an empire and instead wanted to improve the general quality of life within Britain itself"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nAdding onto these, the actual strength and unity of the Empire was in the Sterling Area and British naval supremacy. These were the factors that kept the White Dominions aligned to the UK as nominal Imperial territories despite having total foreign policy independence themselves after 1932.\n\nOnce the Sterling area was destroyed by the US, and the UK abandoned naval supremacy after 1945, Canada & Australia gradually aligned towards the US. The cultural shift of the 1960s pushed this along a lot further."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n>only just now realised the empire disbanded due to America's bullshittery\nwhat the FUCK is their problem?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey lost WW2, losers deserve nothing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they completed their civilizing mission as promised.\n\n>>2\nWrong, they held onto the colonies for national security reasons until the thing with German was over. They then immediately elected a socialist government which started decolonization."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe selfless generosity of the Anglo race puzzles the lesser races…"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nCentral asians and arabs naturally look sly and always scheming. A negroid pm would be better."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nBritain lost ww2 and was bailed out by hostile powers.\nNo physical evidence for battle of stalingrad."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThe good guys won WWII"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>voluntarily\n\nMost of the time, the british were holding onto colonies through indirect rule and massive corruption pyramids that all inevitably expired. They \"\"\"conquered\"\"\" most of these places by taking advantage of preexisting weaknesses and infighting. This involved a huge amount of deception and backstabbing everywhere they went."}, {"id": 14, "content": "If you equip people from your colonies with weapons to fight for you in a global war you can hardy demand that they give them back once the war is over and to remain servile colonies to feed the ruling class of a tiny island."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nAmerica acted as any indepedent nation did. Whinings about how America destroyed the Empire basically demand that the US give to Britain what it wasn't owed.\n\nThe simple fact is the US provided huge amounts of financial aid to the Uk in the Marshall plan, sent US soldiers to Britain's middle eastern colonies to take up duties that it didn't have to, and actively paid for the UK's defence throughout the cold war.\n\nComplaining about the fact the US objected to the UK intervening in Egypt, an area of genuine strategic interest to the US, just makes the UK look like a bratty child.\n\nI say this as someone who thinks the decline of Britain's global power was a tragedy, but pointing fingers at America is third-world country tier."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause many colonies, and protectorates seceded. British Empire was a loose entitity and many parts joined willingly or semi-willingly"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuez crisis caused them to lose naval hegemony."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nThat and says soldiers saw Europe up close so the whole illusion shattered."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nThe Mongol empire had princely states (Kingdom of Dali, Qocho, Qutlugh-Khanid dynasty, Georgia, Armenian Cilicia).\n\nBy your logic the Mongol empire existed indirect rule and massive corruption pyramids."}, {"id": 20, "content": "jews but they never deserved any of it other than their shitty little island anyway"}, {"id": 21, "content": "So what did they actually fight WWII for? Their empire was lost immediately after the war, Poland was conquered anyway, and Germany is still more economically powerful. Britain itself was never under threat of invasion, both militarily and because Hitler didn't want to invade.\nIs Britain the most cucked country of the 20th century?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>So what did they actually fight WWII for? Their empire was lost immediately after the war\nwhen did this smoothbrain line of thinking first become a thing"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>mixed race child - genetic line ended\ni don't get it"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIt's /pol/tranny logic."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nThat image basically sums up the /pol/ line of thinking. Guy actually fought and risked his life for his country and this specky 15 year old thinks he's above him."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>9\nMore like the abject greediness of the Anglo race."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n\nThis. The emprie was a net-drain and dominions were mostly loyal because economic and real power.\nUSA and USSR were also more interested in dismantling the colonial world order than preserving it.\n\nBritain actually handled itself quite well in the de-colonization. It maintained good relations and secured favorable trade deals, and didnt waste its entire treasury in pointless costly and bloody wars like the French who were fighting tooth and nail for every piece of their colonial possession in Asia and Africa.\nAsk yourself if France has any former colony as loyal to them as Britains former dominions?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\n\n/pol/ retards like this anon lacks the cognitive capacity to understand that arguing in hindsight when discussing history is going to get you sent back to fucking primary school where you belong."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it was broke from ww2 and the nigger-worshiping America was pressuring them top stop \"oppressing\" the poor little niggers and brownoids by running their government well."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>It maintained good relations and secured favorable trade deals\nIt slot it's bargaining pwoer over the years. South Africa made Britain exile Seterse Khama and his Anglo wife from Botswana due to their mixed race marriage due to it's key mining industry."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>Britains former dominions?\nWho woudl you define as loyal. Canada and a lesser extent are more tied to America nowadays"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n\nDoesnt change the fact that Canada is overwhelmingly friendly to Britain.\nMuch more than Algeria is to France.\n\n>>30\nThey never thought it was going to be a thousand year reich. It was good far longer than it would have been if Britain was trying to resist decolonization with force."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n\nThat's the inevitable factor of American GDP growth and the fact the US has an absurdly large army.\n\nThat, and the silent revolution of the 1960s by the Canadian Liberals basically separated Canadian national identity from Britain. Nothing the UK could do about that, really.\n\nThe deal the UK got out of its rapid outpacing by the US is a pretty sweet one. You could argue the Imperial metropole just moved from London to Washington DC.\n\n>>27\nYes. Britain's Empire was as good as dead and buried the moment Franz Ferdinand was shot. And even then it was on a timer to the absurd GDP growth taking place in the US.\n\nEnoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher both implicitly understood how fucking awful Imperial longing has been to the Post-War UK, and how desperately we need to move on and look to being a power from our home island alone."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\nKys mutt"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>19\nthey did though"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>23\nDon't play dumb. The child is genetically more similar to foreign populations than to the war veteran granddad."}, {"id": 37, "content": "the only thing the bongs ever profited off was india (mostly because it wasn't set up like a \"standard\" colony), everything else was a massive prestige/vanity project, as were virtually all of europe's colonies"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n\nI'm English. I just don't spend all my time whining about the fact America didn't give us something for free like a fucking third-world victim. There's zero difference between you and African shitholes that whine England stole 999 trillion dollars from them during colonialism.\n\nYou complain about England being an American puppet state but also whine when you learn the US didn't constantly protect an Empire it had nothing to do with.\n\nGrow a pair. We lost the Empire because we economically and politically failed. Not because 'big mean stwong amewica was out to get us'.\n\nMove on and accept that countries act around self-interest. Maybe actually consider what could be done in the here and now to improve the UK's power rather than whining about how you got cheated and how unfair it is. Americans think about you far less than you think about them."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>6\n>please big strong america help us get rid of this colonial rule\n>uhhhh no we back britain or something\n>okay we'll ask the soviets for help instead\nit's not a complex equation"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nThe child is only 1/4 of him you fucking idiot. You think some random \"guy who looks like him\" is more related to the war vet than his own grandkid. Fucking incels."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>22\n>>23\n>>25\n>>28\nNot one of these justifies Britain's role in WWII."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nthey preferred american hegemony to a german one. simple as."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nmaybe having europe run by a methed-up freak who wanted a system of mass genocide and slavery and hyper militarism isnt the best thing for british security and economic interest….. hmmmmm"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat’s the alternative? Waste their resources and become unpopular with the citizens like the Portuguese by fighting constant wars against the colonies?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n\nYes it does. Because your only argument against British involvement is to apply knowledge of the future you have now. Thats how infiltile your capacity for debate and understanding is.\n\nBritains involvedment in ww2 was completely justified because:\n\n1. When you are the hegemony of continental Europe you dont want a rival to challenge your position.\n\n2. When you are the hegemony of continental Europe you have a responsibility to ensure peace and stability especially for nations who cannot defend themselves against an aggressor.\n\n3. Germany had demanded war with Britain when they violated the Munich agreement. Britain went out of they way to avoid war with Germany by giving in to every concession and demands Hitler made, massive rearmament, remilitarization of Rhineland, annexation of Austria and annexation of Sudetenland. If Britain wanted war they would have intervened a long time ago or not signed the Munich agreement at all.\nIt was blantantly obvious that Hitler had no intention of cooperate or preserve peace, and that he had clear imperial ambitions of militaristic nature that Britain. He had proven that he was a liar and his words meant nothing. He had proven that he could not be trusted.\n\nFinally, Britain emerged stronger than they had ever been before and the British empire had increased following the victory in WW1. From that perspective the British could easily have argued that a conflict may just strengthen their position further than weaken it. Your only argument is that they should have known what you know in 2023 because you dont have the cognitive capacity to put perspective when studying history, which means you're absolutely useless to the debate when discussing and analysing decisions at the time, and thus you should probably just fuck off."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\n>a system of mass genocide and slavery and hyper militarism isnt the best thing for british security and economic interest\nYes it is."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\nYou don't have to be a /pol/ack to see how it's a tragedy. No one would want a niglet for a (great-)grandchild."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nIt's a grandkid."}, {"id": 49, "content": "they knew it was over, america had become too powerful and they just let it go, lucky to have a power replacing them that was friendly"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Voluntarily\nAre you ignoring two crippling world wars, the rise of Indian nationalism, and double sided pressure from the Soviet Union and the USA?\nThe British didn't voluntarily give it up, they simply chose to walk out of the stage in a dignified manner, knowing the show had ended. The French and Portuguese were less realistic in that sense and they tried to cling on for a bit longer."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>40\n>some random \"guy who looks like him\" is more related to the war vet than his own grandkid\nYes. Relatives are only more similar to each other compared to random people of the same ethnicity, but when a foreign ethnicity and especially a foreign race is mixed in they are not more similar genetically."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>6\n>Communists gaining influence in every colonial independence movement\n>Deluded Europeans think they can still keep those colonies under control\n>USA doesn't want to be associated with European colonialism because doing so drives everyone into the arms of the Soviet Union"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>13\n>This involved a huge amount of deception\nWhat deception? The rule was pretty obvious to fucking everyone"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\n>Relatives are only more similar to each other compared to random people of the same ethnicity\nWhere did you pull out that info from?\n\n>when a foreign ethnicity and especially a foreign race is mixed in they are not more similar genetically.\nBut why do you think people care exactly about that? Most old people aren't picky with having grandkids since fertility rates are dropping. Like you think some granddad will be concerned that his grandson is half-Chinese or half-Black?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>21\nMight be a shocker to you, but not everyone is sold on the idea of a one party state that's hyperfixated on racism and literally gassing innocent people purely based on their ethnicity.\nYou faggots always forget that lots of Brits were the dreaded \"lefties\". The working class was already pro-Soviet Union in much of Europe, British workers didn't want an empire and they didn't want Fascist hegemony over the continent. They genuinely believed in a different world without empires and exploitation and murderous race wars.\nNaivety? Yes, but that's how it was.\nBesides, who cares if Germany today is economically stronger than the UK? This isn't Nazi Germany. Better to buy a Volkswagen than to be executed by the SS."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>38\n>We lost the Empire because we economically and politically failed. Not because 'big mean stwong amewica was out to get us'.\nThese aren't mutually exclusive. The UK was overpowered by another, simple as."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>Where did you pull out that info from?\nIt's a basic fact of human biodiversity. Ever seen a Principal Component Analysis (PCA) chart? Different human groups are genetically different from each other, especially different races. A person who's half white and half black will plot near North Africans and nowhere near the ethnicities of either parent. Mixed race people can't even get a bone marrow transplant from their own parents or relatives -- they have to find someone with a similar racial mix.\n\n>But why do you think people care exactly about that?\nMost people are tribal. They prefer to be with people similar to themselves, and that includes race. They also hope for their descendants to be similar to them and to their ancestors. Genetics affects a lot about a person, including IQ, personality, temperament, and not only appearance. A mixed race child is like a stranger, not family."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nI agree. But the guy I'm replying to is speaking in a weird tone that the US actively had it out for the British Empire. It was just geopolitical business. Whining about it like something unjust happened is just loser-mentality."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>Ever seen a Principal Component Analysis (PCA) chart?\nMost people don't care about that. When they see their grandkids as baby they think \"oh wow my little boy/girl now has a kid of their own and I am grandparent!\".\n\nHow autistic are you?\n\n>Most people are tribal. They prefer to be with people similar to themselves, and that includes race.\nNot to the degree you think of. Nowadays many social spaces and industries are pretty much super international.\n\n>They also hope for their descendants to be similar to them and to their ancestors\nYet people mutted up for eons. Every group on Earth consists of mutts fucking mutts.\n>Genetics affects a lot about a person, including IQ, personality, temperament, and not only appearance. A mixed race child is like a stranger, not family.\nIf you say that about one's own kid or grandparent that's all on you."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEconomic and political reasons\nThe costs of keeping the colonies far outweighed the benefits. Empire is overrated in the modern world because 9 times out of 10 you can just trade for anything you could want or need."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>6\nIf Brit’s can’t maintain their own empire despite the machinations of a foreign state, then the Brit’s don’t deserve an empire. Fuck you and fuck any whimpering faggot who whines about america not serving British interests above American ones."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsustaining a worldwide empire demands lots of resources that the U.K. was devoid of after it bankrupted itself during WW2\nreminder that the Anglo's sacrificed their entire empire so that Germany wouldn't be able to annex the Danzig corridor. lmao. kek, even"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\n>Empire is overrated in the modern world because 9 times out of 10 you can just trade for anything you could want or need.\nIn theory. In practice the competition from other states, the fact that said trade partner has a choice now means it's more up in the air since it maybe non-compliant or be so dysfunctional that it cannot perform."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>Anglo's sacrificed their entire empire so that Germany wouldn't be able to annex the Danzig\nSee\n>>55\nThe British working class was Red, they preferred fighting Fascist Germany over keeping an empire for the rich"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>10\nliterally none of them are central asians or arabs"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nSure the UK never attempted to keep its colonies, but it sowed its seed far and wide, such that many nations adopted many cultural, and political systems from the UK and use them to this day.\n\nSerious question.\n\nWhy are we all speaking english?\nOn this forum.\nOn the internet.\n\nI remember seeing other languages on the internet before, but now all of that has been ditched in favor of English.\n\nAm I just frequenting english sites?\nIs all web content automatically being translated for me?\nOr are foreign speakers choosing to speak it for the sake of convenience?\n\nWhat's going on there?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nIt's funny when people say that we live in a multicultural society, and yet all speak in the same tounge."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>Am I just frequenting english sites?\nyes"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nIs there an equivilent of YouTube in another language?\n\nAre there message boards in different languages?\n\nGoogle yield's no results for me on that front, but I would like to know. If only to get out of the little internet bubble I find myself in."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>19\nWhy do you think the Mongol empire collapsed even faster than the British empire"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>29\nBut they ran the colonial governments terribly. India and pretty much every single other former British colony grew way faster after they let the British millstone off their neck."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>24\nah good old ad hominems when you have zero fucking argument never gets old."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>21\n>Poland was conquered anyway\nThis meme again. Two years after the war the Soviets rigged their election and put a communist government in power, but they never made Poland part of the Soviet Union. Not to mention how they gave the Poles well-developed, ethnically cleansed former German lands in the West in exchange for the eastern lands they had annexed in 1939.\nMeanwhile, the nazis literally tried to erase the Polish nation from existence."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could the culture of brutality and savagery that ultimately took over Soviet Union (and whose legacy lived on with modern Russia) have been avoidable, if instead of the psychopathic Georgian bandit Stalin, the power had gone to the great humanitarian Master Bronstein?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ultimately\nThe one present from day one? Lenin was worse than Stalin btw"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\neveryone involved was a fucking psycho, even the \"good\" ones were writing shit like it's totally acceptable a lot of people will die if it makes communism work, etc, their reputations only survive because stalin put them down before they could gain power"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Soviet Union would have collapsed even sooner if Trotsky won the power struggle, the entire world would have declared war on it before Nazi Germany could have even invaded Poland."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Could the culture of brutality and savagery that ultimately took over Soviet Union\nRussia was always savage, or like, and brutal. They just traded one tyranny for another"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>or like\nOrc-like*"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Could the culture of brutality and savagery\nno but it could have been amplified by him"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>great humanitarian"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, communism is inherently satanistic and requires the deliberate blood sacrifice of innocent humans to perpetuate itself and appease the demons to which bolsheviks have allied themselves\n>proof?\nI read it in a spy fiction novel"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Trotsky was just as much of a monomaniacal asshole as Stalin and he supported the same terrible policies Stalin eventually 1289d chess'd his way into supporting. It's just that trotsky had decades in opposition to whitewash his reputation and calibrate his new policies.\nhad he won the early power struggles you would've gotten the same shit but even faster. like the NEP years are definitely not happening"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nTrotsky was a ruthless murderous bastard, even more due to shere autism than paranoia, but he had this idea of 'experimenting' with economic models, so it might have resulted, in the long run, with a more efficient economy\nEither that or the whole world would invade the soviet union at the same time due to trockist 'permanent revolution' military expansionist doctrine"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin saved the Soviet Union from complete destruction by liquidating this delusional faggot, Trotsky was the most bloodthirsty and tyrannical out of all the Bolsheviks. He would have made Stalin’s purges look like child’s play if he had taken power instead of Stalin."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>same shit but even faster.\nSo what you are saying is that Trotski would be the better leader?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you want to know what Russia would have looked like under Trotsky just look at what China ended up under Mao; because Mao really WAS the true hearted believer in the project communists always say is needed for communism to manifest (which consequently is why his horrors are talked about LEAST in the sympathetic press despite being worst by the numbers)\nIt would have ended the same way\nSame retarded attempts at collectivist economics\nSame inevitable failure\nSame neurotic, suicidal, fanatic blood letting attempting to root out whatever cultural influence kept the\n>“inevitable utopia”\nFrom manifesting\n(Same shit btw that happened in the US when desegregation and second wave feminism failed to bring about utopia here )\nIn the end Marxism is wrong because it is wrong about what human beings ARE in the most direct and literal sense possible\nAnd because of that?\nAny attempt at Communism will always result in the killing of as many humans as possible, desperately to fit tribalistic superstitious primates into the unfeeling disassociated grey blobs communism needs for theory of its “math” to work\n(Ironically enough, what the left accurately claims capitalism tries to do)\n(Aptly enough why Marx thought capitalism was a ncececary precursor to communism)\n(Funnily enough why capitalism is to failing the world over along the same fucking axis communism did; people are NOT what either theory thinks they are)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\n>the entire world would have declared war on it\nWhy?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nOne of the main things which distinguished Trotsky ideologically was his die-hard support for the idea of world revolution rather than Stalin's \"socialism in one country.\" What that means is that if Trotsky kept his ideals after taking power, he would use his position to advocate for and support communist revolution in every capitalist country."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nThis. Trotsky was a Leninist, meaning he was automatically in support of the iron-fisted authoritarian communism that Stalin merely took to its logical conclusion"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only way that the USSR could have avoided its fate is if Bukharin had some how come up on top in the power struggles which never would have happened since he was a total retard in the field of power politics."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Loved his mama even if this wasn't accepted by samurai\n>Had high status noblemen put to death for killing dogs\n>Made the militarist arrogant samurai elite seethe with his compassion and empathy; beloved by the peasantry for his successful economics and policies\nTsunayoshi is the best ruler Japan ever had. There isn't even a question of it, it's just fact."}, {"id": 2, "content": "He won."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In 1682, shōgun Tsunayoshi ordered his censors and police to raise the living standard of the people. Soon, prostitution was banned, waitresses could not be employed in tea houses, and rare and expensive fabrics were banned. Most probably, smuggling began as a practice in Japan soon after Tsunayoshi's authoritarian laws came into effect.\n>Owing to religious fundamentalism, Tsunayoshi sought protection for living beings in the later parts of his rule. In the 1690s and first decade of the 1700s, Tsunayoshi, who was born in the Year of the Dog, thought he should take several measures concerning dogs. A collection of edicts released daily, known as the Edicts on Compassion for Living Things (生類憐みの令, Shōruiawareminorei), told the populace, among other things, to protect dogs, since in Edo there were many stray and diseased dogs walking around the city. Therefore, he earned the pejorative title Inu-Kubō (犬公方: Inu=Dog, Kubō=formal title of Shogun).\n>In 1695, there were so many dogs that Edo began to smell horribly. An apprentice was even executed because he wounded a dog. Finally, the issue was taken to an extreme, as over 50,000 dogs were deported to kennels in the suburbs of the city where they would be housed. They were apparently fed rice and fish at the expense of the taxpaying citizens of Edo.\nHe sounds like a retard, anon. Do we have actual data about the success of his policies and his appreciation by the peasantry?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow can a man not love shiba inus?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nExcerpts from The Dog Shogun by Beatrice M. Bodart-Bailey, pp.8-9\n\n>In light of the suffering Tsunayoshi’s policies inflicted on the samurai, the nature and purpose of composition of source materials must be given careful consideration. This has not always been done with suf¤cient rigor, and I see this omission as a further blind spot in the analysis of the personality and government of the fifth shogun. The sources consist overwhelmingly of accounts writ-ten by samurai for samurai, upholding and reflecting the samurai point of view, selectively preserved and edited by a totalitarian government for political expediency. When expressions such as tenka (lit.: all under Heaven) appear in the sources, they have been taken to mean “all the Japanese population,” while in fact in the majority of cases they meant “everybody that mattered,” namely, the samurai population. “Popular lampoons” cited in samurai records were popular among the samurai class and not necessarily the rest of the population. Policies criticized by samurai writers as bringing suffering to “the whole country”were often of benefit to the commoners making up by far the largest part of the population.\n>How research based on conditions in farming communities fundamentally alters the picture of the period is apparent in the writings of Ôishi Shinzaburô. In his earlier work he roundly condemned the government of the fifth shogun in line with most of his colleagues. Yet after a detailed study of the economic progress in rural communities during his government, Ôishi completely changed his opinion and has since praised the fifth shogun as one of the most enlightened rulers of the Tokugawa period."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>In light of the suffering Tsunayoshi’s policies inflicted on the samurai, the nature and purpose of composition of source materials must be given careful consideration.\nSo there's no evidence at all and the author is just extrapolating his popularity from the economic improvements? Pretty shoddy.\n>How research based on conditions in farming communities fundamentally alters the picture of the period is apparent in the writings of Ôishi Shinzaburô.\nThis looks more promising, but also superficial as there could be a thousand of reasons helping those communities on top of whatever policies dog boy enacted.\nAlso there's actual criticism of his policies, like he started the debasement of currency that would create inflation issues all the way to the Meiji restoration.\nHis own disciple Ogyū Sorai (who was admittedly a samurai class partisan, but is also still considered one of the foremost political theorists of the Edo period) mentions how the erosion of class boundaries fucked over the market and tax system. And dog boy favored that erosion as far as I can tell.\nRegardless there's fuck all about this guy online. I will put the book you posted on my reading list (thank god for libgen)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>high status noblemen put to death\nReally dumb decision. Exile him to Formosa or Ezō instead."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n> raise the living standard of the people\n> prostitution was banned, waitresses could not be employed in tea houses, and rare and expensive fabrics were banned\nBased Incel-Kubo"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nAdmittedly, I'm only partway through the book, so I can only offer early examples.\nAnother excerpt, this time from p.4,\n>Yet even when strictly adhering to reliable, contemporaneous writings, the historian is left with a highly ambiguous picture of the period. While samurai sources often describe the period as one of suffering, the ebullient novels of the popular Ihara Saikaku (1642–1693) speak of unprecedented wealth and a rise in living standards. The Genroku period (1688–1704), forming the core of Tsunayoshi’s thirty-year government, is recognized as one of unprecedented cultural flowering and good living. Such prosperity was not to be experienced in Japan again until the postwar boom of the Shôwa period, leading to the expression Shôwa-Genroku."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nSource? Sounds like something to malign a ruler a powerful minority hated after the fact."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Give me the whole enchilada on Spinozism.\nActually I'm just interested in how his ontology and his life philosophy harmonise.\nI read someone on here claiming that his philosophy is very similar to might is right.\n\nWhat is human nature to Spinoza? What is power? Do humans always act according to their nature?\nHow does this compare to Stoic or Daoist views of human nature?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Be Jew\n>Want to pilpul the goyims so they cuckold themselves and cut off their penises\n>Say that you must act according to your nature and follow any whim you have. But only the good ones that (((WE))) say are good."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>goyims\nGoy moment."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI can see your huge nose from here."}, {"id": 5, "content": "What is pilpul I see everyone use that word now"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nClose but\n>be jew\n>annoying cunt\n>live in kike enclave in western major city, born into wealth\n>call them dumb\n>they don't like it\n>im le atheist now\n>i don't need no rules\n>god is like... matter yo, he's not a person\nModern philosophy and philosophers is compeltely useless outside of politics"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHow sad it must be to be you."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nGo ahead and name one thing useful philosophers came up with in the last 400 years outside of economics and politics"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nhe's literally one of the most grounbreaking political philosophers"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou'd be better off just reading the Ethics for yourself."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nHuh? Practically nothing he said was relevant politically"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nliterally one of the first defenders of democracy when it was still widely considered a dirty word\n\nCarl Schmitt points at \"that jew\" as one of the people responsible for putting in motion the modern model of political thought"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nIt’s Yiddish word meaning “argument”more specifically referring to Rabbis arguing over the minutiae of Talmudic law"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nA common theme of people historically is over-valuing the effect philosophers had, usually through misinterpretations of what was being said by claiming whatever was happening contemporarily with what was said hundreds of years before\n>defender of democracy\nHe died before he wrote anything significant on democracy\nWhat he did write was how he wanted a utopian meritocracy which is in no way realistic or achievable"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nWow, what a horrendous take. This is the worst post I have seen this week. Crongratulations."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nPhilosophy is a midwit trap and has almost no practical applications"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nalso ask yourself why somebody like Isacc Newton is remembered and a slimy jew rat like spinoza is completely forgotten"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nwho started this meme? i swear all i see these days is chimps repeating this nonsense ad nauseam fucking constantly\n\n>>17\nthey're both remembered"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni dont know much about him besides the fact that 400 years later the jews are still seething about him, so he must be pretty based."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nSpinoza did nothing of consequence compared to actual braniacs like Descartes. While Descartes might have been irrelevant politically due to being wrong you can still acknowledge him for being a genius intellect and scientist. Spinoza was a nobody and is remembered for being a reddit atheist\n\nThere's two types of philosohy, one preached by people that help advance human society, and the kind that sort of just falls out the backside of self important people, spinoza is the latter"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYou don't know what you're talking about and you should probably stop saying shit like this before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. It just looks like you got your opinion from all those Steven Pinker/Sam Harris wannabes.\n\nNo professional philosopher understands the history of philosophy in that manner. Every major philosopher is a brainac,whether it's Descartes, Spinoza, Schelling or Sartre. Whether they manage to be relevant at one point in time or another can be a very erratic and arbitrary matter.\nWas Aristotle an irrelevant retard for centuries until sudenly he wasn't because the arabs translated him at some point? No.\nSpinoza was relevant. Then he wasn't. Then he was relevant again in Germany. That's just how it goes."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI don't care what \"modern philosphers\" think bnecause they're irrelevant. Philosophy is only relevant when preached by intelligent people, not by some 105 IQ college stooge parroting his 110 IQ college stooge philosophy professor that has done nothing in his life but live off of state welfare (federally funded schools/loans).\n>Was Aristotle an irrelevant retard for centuries\nWhen the arabs were picking through the rubble of sacked cities for enlightenment Northern Europe was getting it from the tap (Italy), implying there wasn't a continuity of greek/roman thought and that the arabs of all people gave it back to europe is absurd"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nOk have fun being a disingenous retard and good luck in all your future endeavours\n\nAristotle was largely irrelevant until latin translations. Here you go bro. Translations done in Toledo, Spain, arabs yadda yadda yadda:\nPosterior Analytics: Two versions from Greek, 12th century; from Arabic, Toledo 12th century\n\nPhysica, De Generatione et Corruptione, Parva Naturalia, Metaphysica (first 4 books), De Anima: from Greek, 12th century\n\n\nMeteorologica (Books 1-3), Physica, De Cælo et Mundo, De Generatione et Corruptione: Gerard of Cremona, from Arabic, Toledo 12th century\n\nDe Animalibus (Historia animalium, De partibus animalium, De generatione animalium): Michael Scot, from a 9th-century Arabic translation, Spain c. 1217-20\n\nThese are the translations that Scholasticism used, as you well know i hope"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAristotle was translated in the 6th century into latin, 12th century \"the arabs gave us our philosophy back\" is reddit pop-history"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nso all those translations I mentioned didn't happen? or they had already been done?\n\nwho translated Aristotle into latin in the 6th century and what text or texts? Are you talking about Boethius?\n\nalso\n>\"the arabs gave us our philosophy back\"\nwho's saying this? what's our philosophy? I'm just stating a fact. you can say \"reddit\" all you want"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nyes, boethius was widely circulated, even into england"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nSpinoza is more relevant now than anyone in england who suposedly received a latin translation of Aristotle in the middle ages. Apply your standard here\n\nagain:\nso all those translations I mentioned didn't happen?\n\nor they had already been done?\nWell i'll try to answer this one. The texts the arabs translated hadn't been translated by Boethius\n\n>\"the arabs gave us our philosophy back\"\nwho's saying this? what's \"our\" philosophy? I'm just stating a fact. you can say \"reddit\" all you want"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Spinoza is relevant\nyou've never said how\n>Spinoza is relevant because... being aware of him automatically makes you smarter\nwat, spinoza is a fucking retard compared to Aristotle"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>you've never said how\nhe will inevitably get mentioned in any account of modern philosophy:\n-because he's an integral part of the development of rationalism\n-he was the central figure regarding a very famous and nasty controversy among german philosophers when Kant was an old man\n-he was relevant regarding german idealism following the aforementioned controversy\n-I mentioned earlier what Schmitt said about Spinoza\n-French philosophers like Althusser, Balíbar and Deleuze based most of their stuff on him (I know what you're gonna say about this part so fucking save it)\n-still studied among professional philosophers\n\nAlso, not that it matters since you've already swayed the conversation, but my claim isn't whether Spinoza is relevant or not. My claim is that a particular thinker's level of relevance at a particular point in time does not depend on him being smart or dumb. This is a childish standpoint\n\n>Spinoza is relevant because... being aware of him automatically makes you smarter\nwhat in the fuck are you talking about. who's saying this\n\n>wat, spinoza is a fucking retard compared to Aristotle\nWho's saying anything along these lines? I never compared them, so I don't understand the \"wat\" part\nAlso, how can you make such a comparison? on what basis? very strange claim.\n\nAgain, for the third time:\nso all those translations I mentioned didn't happen?or they had already been done?\n\n>\"the arabs gave us our philosophy back\"\nwho's saying this? what's \"our\" philosophy? I'm just stating a fact. you can say \"reddit\" all you want"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>-because he's an integral part of the development of rationalism\nirrelevant branch of philosophy unless you're a socialist\n>german idealism\nGerman idealism was only later influenced by socialist fuckery. Kant was a pretty straight shooter as far as wackjob mainland philosophers are concerned, Hegel was when it went off the deep end, which was much later, and was largely due to him emulating and outright worshipping the French. Spinoza has nothing to do with the origins of German Idealism. And it's arguable if German Idealism is what you'd even call Hegelianism when it was so influenced by the French"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nyou have to be trolling. there's no way this is real\n\nAgain:\nso all those translations I mentioned didn't happen? or they had already been done?\n\n>\"the arabs gave us our philosophy back\"\nwho's saying this? what's \"our\" philosophy? I'm just stating a fact. you can say \"reddit\" all you want\n\ndon't bother answering this because i will not reply anymore. just think before you write stupid shit, in the case that you're actually serious, that is"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nbye"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou can ask this kind of questions to chad-gpt, no need to spam the board"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nBut then we wouldn't get an 8 hour meltdown over the fact that aristotle was most widely circulated in europe via an arab retranslation."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>6\nThe bible is right about philosophy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would you have lived in the Indus Valley Civilization during its zenith (before the droughts and climate shifts) assuming you'd have an average standard of living?\n\nAs a child, you would undoubtedly grow up playing with toys, board games and other trinkets. Depending on your family, you would learn how to farm a variety of crops, or how to trade with foreigners. You could have also been a metal worker, contributing to large hoards of copper tools and even inscriptions.\n\nIf you're into traveling, then this would be ideal for you. The Indus Valley had a diaspora that stretched into western Iran and possibly further. Some of the highest resolution IVC samples we have today are traders who set up colonies thousands of kilometers away from their homes and presumably intermarried with locals. Of course you'd bring distinctly indus souvenirs with you to remind yourself of home.\n\nIf you like sailing, this is also the place for you. Conserved root words for ship, sail, mast, oar, and other nautical terms are present in proto-Dravidian. Multiple docks/ports have been excavated in north western India as well. You'd get to sail up and down the persian gulf, trading a variety of items and issuing Indus stamp seals to verify transactions.\n\nthere are downsides, though. Although the Indus skeletons have been measured at 177 cm for males, which is surprisingly tall for farmer populations, this is still shorter than the hunter gatherer skeletons who lived in the same region just 5000 years prior. Even worse, your disease burden would be much higher than the non farmers around you. Your teeth and bone health starts to decay with age and years of sedentary life may catch up.\n\nSo do you take the IVC pill, anon?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would you have lived in the Indus\nNo, i don't think there was ever a time living in India wouldn't be shit."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIndus is in Pakistan THOUGH"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>proto dravidian\nNot indus valley"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\npakistan is even worse"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nProofs?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Another Hindoooo dravidian rat wewuzing as proto-pakistani people again"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">hindoooo pajeets wuz pakistanis and iranian n shieeet\n\nDravidian maggot cope"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nMost likely was proto Dravidian\n\n>Ancestral Dravidian languages in Indus Civilization: ultraconserved Dravidian tooth-word reveals deep linguistic ancestry and supports genetics\n\n\nIts not proven 100% either way, but the evidence continues to skew in favor of a proto-Dravidian IVC with significant Munda influence"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>7\npakistanis on suicide watch after they found IVC script on 3000 year old pottery in Tamil Nadu"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>significant Munda influence\nwhat\nthey hardly overlap and existed on opposite ends of the subcontinent"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>3000 years old\nSo... from the iron age/late bronze age?\nDravidian ape cope, if anything it would mean we colonized you."}, {"id": 13, "content": "I'd rather be an indo-aryan invader, tall and raised on beef and milk, who through his skills as a warrior and good faith in his kin comes to control the land. I would counsel my tribe to have children with their own women rather than native women, avoid the decadence of the native farming lifestyle and wherever reasonable to reduce farmland to grazing for the greater good. The less people who are short, disease burdened and with teeth and bone decay the better, as you say, we are doing a service to future generations."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>>12\nkek why are dravidian monkeys so stupid?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>hardly overlap\nThere's a decent amount. But thats not the point.\n\n>opposite ends of the continent\nMigration is a thing, you know. By the time Rigvedic Aryans wrote their text in the modern area of Haryana in 1500 BC, Sanskrit had already picked up 400 loanwords from Munda and Dravidian, but mostly the former. this suggests that Munda speakers penetrated the gangetic plain from east to west.\n\ngenetic evidence also supports an initial arrival 5kya for Austroasiatic/Munda speakers. This gives another 1000 years for them to migrate to the west and mix with the Indus people. It also supports the findings of Dravidian loanwords in Munda and vice versa."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>>13\n>>12\n>least buck broken porkistani on 4chan"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nHey dont lump us all in with him lol\nPretty sure the guy youre making fun of is a known schizo who larps as a nordic despite being fully pakistani and also a manlet. None of us claim him or his gay ideas (hes also homosexual with some other schizo dont ask me why)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>>17\nsamefagging dravidian monkey detected"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nwhy did you post mesolithic rock paintings from Madhya pradesh along with your incel fantasy? weirdo"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nI have yet to have seen an expert suggest they were further west than Uttar Pradesh.\n>genetic evidence also supports an initial arrival 5kya for Austroasiatic/Munda speakers\nwhat evidence is this?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nWhats your obsession with dravidian?\n\n>in Bronze Age Mesopotamia, the elephant-word used in the Hurrian part of an Amarna letter of ca. 1400 BC, and the ivory-word (‘pîruš’) recorded in certain sixth century BC Old Persian documents, were all originally borrowed from ‘pīlu’, a Proto-Dravidian elephant-word, which was prevalent in the Indus valley civilization, and was etymologically related to the Proto-Dravidian tooth-word ‘*pal’ and its alternate forms (‘*pīl’/‘*piḷ’/‘*pel’). This paper argues that there is sufficient morphophonemic evidence of an ancient Dravidian ‘*piḷ’/‘*pīl’-based root, which meant ‘splitting/crushing’, and was semantically related to the meanings ‘tooth/tusk’. This paper further observes that ‘pīlu’ is among the most ancient and common phytonyms of the toothbrush tree Salvadora persica, which is a characteristic flora of Indus valley, and whose roots and twigs have been widely used as toothbrush in IVC regions since antiquity. This study claims that this phytonym ‘pīlu’ had also originated from the same Proto-Dravidian tooth-word, and argues that since IVC people had named their toothbrush trees and tuskers (elephants) using a Proto-Dravidian tooth-word, and since these names were widely used across IVC regions, a significant population of Indus valley civilization must have used that Proto-Dravidian tooth-word in their daily communication. Since ‘tooth’ belongs to the core non-borrowable ultraconserved vocabulary of a speech community, its corollary is that a significant population of IVC spoke certain ancestral Dravidian languages. Important insights from recent archaeogenetic studies regarding possible migration of Proto-Dravidian speakers from Indus valley to South India also corroborate the findings of this paper.\n\nPretty cool imo"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>>17\n\nSamefagging pajeet dravidian ape TOPKEK. We literally colonized your shitty hindoooo streetshitting village. And you larp as US"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nhttps://doi.org/10.1111/jse.12147\n\ntheyre saying its a late neolithic expansion of Austroasiatics, tentatively dated to 5,2kya based on TMRCA for yDNA"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nCope. Dravidian monkeys are literal apes with no civilization. You are like literal wewuzzing niggers with no history"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\n>all cave paintings are mesolithic\nThey're chalcolithic from the late bronze age.\n\n>incel fantasy\nWhat the fuck are you talking about, where did I mention chad or stacy or other \"incel\" shit. OP literally admitted they were short, disease burdened and and had poor teeth and bone health, everything I have said is face, it would be for the greater good."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>Cope. Dravidian monkeys are literal apes with no civilization. You are like literal wewuzzing niggers with no history"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nSeething wewuzer stone age nigger.\nDravidian chimps still live in the stone age as hunter gatherer in hindooo lands"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\nI just realized how stupid you are, the painting are of spoked wheel chariots which did not exist in the mesolithic. I am not crass enough to call you a \"Dravidian monkey\" like the other guy, but as an individual you are an idiot."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>A serial decrease in expansion time from east to west: 5.7±0.3 Kya in Laos, 5.2±0.6 in Northeast India, and 4.3±0.2 in East India"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Reminder that IVC was genetically similar to modern pakistanis, afghans and iranians and had NOTHING to do with Hindooo streetshitters"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>>30\npakisisters... what the fuck"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>>unknown\nlmao why does AASI have a direct correlation with how developed, wealthy, and high IQ a place is"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\n>Dalits are the most dravidian Ancient indian\nTOPKEEEK hindoo monkeys keklmaooo we wyz indvs valley siiir siir *streetshits*"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\ngroups like the Reddys Kammas Velallars etc etc are pretty much SISBA2 populations. So yeah the IVC folks would look like these South Indian folks, essentially."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\npakistani have too much steppe\n>iranians\nlol"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nIranians were \"colonized\" by IVC traders. Thats why SISBA1, BA2, and BA3 all have high south asian hunter gatherer admixture and plot almost exactly with modern day south indians. Especially the landed gentry middle castes in south/central India.\n\nPic related is the typical \"Reddy\" from south India. these people are thought to be the most IVC people on earth right now apart from Gujjews"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>9\n>ultraconserved Dravidian tooth-word reveals deep linguistic ancestry\nwe dont knwo indus script."}, {"id": 38, "content": "i don't get this paki. didnt pakistan get washed away by a flood less than a year ago?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nYa but read the article bro\n\nThere are words preserved in early Dravidian (fortunately they wrote down their language for 2500 years) that we can connect to Indus-specific things. Like certain crops, tools, building names, or even the name for \"elephant\".\n\ni.\nHistorical and linguistic evidence indicates that IVC was the most likely origin of those proto-words.\n\nii.\nArchaeological evidence indicates that the objects signified by those proto-words were prevalently produced and used in IVC.\n\niii.\nThose proto-words’ etymologies can be traced back to one of the language groups present in the Indian sub-continent using the most stringent criteria prescribed in historical linguistics.\n\niv.\nHistorical and linguistic evidence should prove that the identified language group was present in the Indian sub-continent in the IVC era.\n\nv.\nArchaeogenetic data should prove that present speakers of this language group are significantly genetically related to the IVC population.\n\nvi.\nThe proto-words should be etymologically related to the stable non-borrowable basic vocabulary of a language, which can trace out a language’s ancestry."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>BA3\nThis one has almost 50% AASI right? Or am I mixing up another sample? One of them has low res SNP coverage"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>33\n>The dalit state is the 2nd most developed\n>the \"aryan\" state is nigger tier\n\nI hate to be that guy, but your little seethe tantrum against dravids isnt gonna work if the other guy keeps posting maps"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the quality life in the height of the IVC was extremely high by ancient standards. But the operative phrase in that statement was “by ancient standards”. In a Time Machine scenario, I ain’t turning that dial to anything before antibiotics except for brief vacations and research missions. A whole life?! Fuck no."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>31\n>this is your brain\n>this is your brain on Islam"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\n\"\"light\"\" skin is all northern pajeets (that includes afghans and pakis) have, even the most developed northern indian states are notorious for rape (delhi) drug dealing (punjab) and barbaric treatment of women (haryana)"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\nThat's not evidence. That's just claims and assumptions. I cant take this shit seriously. For years I've been hearing that we're so close to translating the Indus Script using AI with a Dravidian dictionary or some shit. I just can't anymore"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would be a Brahmin there, an owner of thousands of dravidian servants."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nPakistanis are Dalits, thoughever\n\nPic related is a perfect example of how Dalits work. their R1a is around 30% (average for any Indian) but their steppe is close to 40% or even higher. Despite having less steppe than Rors or Jatts like me, they actually have super light hair and eyes. why do you think that is?\n\nBecause their entire maternal genome is from the steppe and west asia. Its all subclades of U. And their paternal genome is either Indus or SAHG derived. So L and H"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nThis."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nThose are dalits because they are descended from untouchable hijras, this why they are trash, no one considers them human because of their hijra ancestors. Hijra descendants are meant to be discarded.\nThats why they are only 5000 or some tiny inbreed village founder effected. Whereas there is 1.2 billion R1a pajeets descended from aryan males and hijra pygmy asi women"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nTroonwitch why do you lie? You are a dravidian telugu hijra dalit"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBro i'm close to 177 now I feel short"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeeing how we know next to nothing about it's culture, no I wouldn't just jump into the unknown like that"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWild to think about, my ancestors didnt migrate into the subcontinent until 1500 years after these people collapsed. I would love to live there, imagine what they looked like, or what language, or if they worshipped the same gods, i mean they did trade with the indo-iranians who are my ancestors in central asia and the babylonians in the ME so who knows ...\n\nWHATS shocking is to think that a man like Zarathustra probably witnessed the decline of these people, and part of the vendidad kingdom larp which included north indus valley (at the time of the founding of taxila, kandahar, etc) was a direct result of the IVC losing their force projection capabilities. Without their decline I would never even exist. But i want to see it anyways"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>31\nI want to move to the Indian coast and breed."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMordvix and paki schizo thread"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>10\nNo they did not"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nMordvix looks like Squidward"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Please help me\n\nThere's a quote from Napoopan describing the English as always needing a self-righteus motive to do anything but I can't find it anywhere"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust make it up, heaps of Napoleon quotes are made up. I'm sure he did plenty of coping seething either way"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm not sure it was made up, it was a pretty long one. Went along the lines of the brits always having a convenient excuse to rob you, convert you, colonize you, etc"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBut enough about the english"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if they kept those lands ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Israelis are hard working and have monies to throw anywhere. Would it be possible for us to see a green Sinai if it was part of Israel?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy would you want that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere would be more Egyptian Butt hurt. Sounds glorious."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>keep sparsely populated barren desert\nwhy?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nability to block the Suez canal in order to blackmail the Goyim."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nSinai is one of the most strategically important regions in the Middle East"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nNuke Israel off the map"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOkay, you nuked a piece of paper. Israel still exists"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nThey'd probably turn it into a forest. The greatest irony is that Israel is the closest thing to an ecofash country."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n> Egyptian Butt hurt\nIt's Jews who are historically butt hurt about Egyptians"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Engage in massive aforestation program because l'environmental and you need an excuse to kick the Arab shepherds off their land.\n>40 years later the smoke is sending Moshe into an asthma attack as thousands lose their homes in the flames because you planted trees in the fucking desert you idiot.\nYou reap what you sow."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>wildfires only happen in the desert"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThe heat certainly helps a lot."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably have made it worth something. I don't think Arabs have done a single thing with their country but pump oil and fuck goats."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>he unironically thinks wildfires are caused by it being too hot.\nLmao you dumb fucking nigger."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAsk me how I know you haven't spoken to anyone involved in wildfire prevention."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Pipedream. Israel won't exist in a few decades. Jews won't exist in a century. And those are good things."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThe irony.\nThe majority of wildfires are caused by humans, accidentally or otherwise. Most natural fires are caused by lightning."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nTwo more millennia! Just you wait!"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nTechnically jews don't exist. We have rabbinicalist LARPing as jews."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Getting the arabs to stop attacking them was far more benefitial for Israel than inheriting a few million hostile arabs as citizens.\n\nIt was a diplomatic achievement since Egypt was their main rival."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Ummm akshually they're FAKE\nInteresting pseudohistory. What percentage of your brain is dedicated to \"Jews\" and schizo theories around them?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThe .000000000001 percent that remembers that there is no temple, no priests,no commune with The,and that the Jewish version of the OT was written around the 8-9th centuries AD only about two centuries before the first Mishnah was written. In other words: no continuity anywhere."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>with The\nYhwh"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nThat's something I'd like to see.\nJust the we-wilding of nations."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We could have been so happy together"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically looks exactly like my mum"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot fair*\nFuck, my thread is ruined\n>>2\nDo you look like her?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYeah I do. Mums Ukrainian-Russian with red/brown hair even has a similar haircut never saw the resemblance. Dads Irish-English so I look a bit different."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPost pics of yur mum"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nadhd niggers cant be bothered to double check their fucking threads anymore"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe would have spit on you as an upjumped peasant"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which current or past religion has the best afterlife?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "buddhism\nit's over"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\nIslamic heaven is basically your op pic"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEasy, Zoroastarian chan of course."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTHERE IS ONLY ONE RELIGION; RELIGION IS NOT A MENU OF READYMADE «ÆSTHETICS» FOR YOU TO CHOOSE & ADOPT AS AN IDENTITY INSTEAD OF PERSONALITY, WHICH YOU LACK."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Abarhamic trash\n>\"true religion\"\nkys"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Egyptian Heaven Aaru\n\n>A'Aru (The Field of Reeds) was the Egyptian afterlife, an idealized vision of one's life on earth (also known as Sekhet-A'Aru and translated as The Field of Rushes). Death was not the end of life but a transition to another part of one's eternal journey.\n>Everything thought to have been lost at death was returned and there was no pain and, obviously, no threat of death as one lived on in the presence of the gods, doing as one had done on earth, with everyone the soul had ever loved.\n>This vision developed slowly from the earliest periods of Egyptian history but was fully formed by the time of the Middle Kingdom (2040-1782 BCE) and developed further through elaborate texts in the New Kingdom (c. 1570 - c. 1069 BCE). The soul was granted eternal paradise in A'Aru based on how virtuous the person had been in life and, after passing through judgment in the Hall of Truth, found peace everlasting in paradise.\n\nThis is the best Heaven because, unlike Christianity, it's framed as another stepping stone in an eternal journey rather than a static end-state of Paradisial bliss. There's eternal happiness but you still have a role to play in building up Paradise alongside all those you've ever loved. It's really a very beautiful idea"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why the best mathematicians were deists while the best scientists were atheists/agnostic?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the last moments of their lifes they turn to God anyway"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe best mathematicians were Greek polytheists"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDefine the “best.” For someone without internet or a calculator, Archimedes was impressive but he is hardly the greatest achiever in the field. Most pre-1700s mathematics is considered grade school tier nowadays."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou still need to believe in some magic to work with advanced mathematics."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell, it is simply because the true paradigm for mathematics is platonism while atomistic materialism holds for physics. That is however very concerning, since it implies that there is a disunity between the way we think and the way reality is.\n>>2\nFuck off."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Math requires you to think of things completely abstractly, to the point what you're describing might not have any clear analogy or relation to reality. Science meanwhile encourages you to think about relations mechanistically, very cause and effect. It's two completely different mindsets. There's a reason why mathematics was considered a branch of philosophy while natural science was a completely separate category. Copernicus' biggest contribution to astronomy and science overall was linking the physical world to advanced mathematical concepts."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">hurrffdrruduffff god or sumthin\nCan we have a separate board for religiontarded already?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Because of mathematical platonism.\nDon't mention Grothendieck without adding PBUH btw."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why the best mathematicians were deists\nSource?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYou're haughty display fools no one"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThat's the cancer, not God.\n\nBoth are pretty similar, but still"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's your best proof that Muhammed was a genuine prophet for god? And that the contents of the Quran are accurate and true in the eyes of god?\n\nI want to believe. There's a lot of things about the Quran that make me feel like it could be the word of god, but there are a lot of things that are holding me back from believing. The reasons why I believe the old and new testament s are because the new testament authors were martyred, so I believe that what they wrote was honest, or the old testament is basically one big prophecy about Jesus that was all fulfilled by Jesus so that's why I believe in the old testament. Plus Jesus himself preaches the old testament as if it's one hundred percent true. So these things lead me to believe in the first two books, but why should I believe anything Mohammed says? Was he martyred? Did he tell any prophecies that we're fulfilled? Is there anything that stands out as proof in his favor?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's your best proof that Muhammed was a genuine prophet for god?\nNone.\n\nhttps://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahya Muhammad and Isa Ali answers Allah me prayers Desu."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ninfidel"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> thats word of GOD... I'm le FEEL\nexplain this phenomenon. in my opinion, there is not only blame of low intelligence and low rationality, but also the primeval too emotional limbic system spoils the human mind."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you want to believe but you can't make yourself do it, you are never gonna be a sincere believer and will only be LARP. I know, happened to me, so just give up and move on."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the old testament is basically one big prophecy about Jesus that was all fulfilled by Jesus\nThis is nonsense. Christianity had to become a fully fledged gentile religion because it flopped so hard among Jews. Without Paul's intervention it would've run out of steam within a century because Jesus fulfils almost none of the traditional rabbinical expectations of the messiah."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>This is nonsense. Christianity had to become a fully fledged gentile religion because it flopped so hard among Jews.\nThe first generation of Christians were all Jews.\n>Without Paul's intervention it would've run out of steam within a century because Jesus fulfils almost none of the traditional rabbinical expectations of the messiah.\nThe rabbis have no authority and their interpretations of messianic prophesies are all wrong."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nWhen I say I feel that it's the word of god I'm saying that based on my educated opinion, and all the various pieces of information, and my pattern recognition, I'm getting the vibe that it's the word of god. I could be wrong and that's kinda the whole point is that I don't want to just rely on vibes I want to know for certain so that I can defend my beliefs, so that I don't have to say its just a feeling or a intuition"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nWell I've tried to look up what I can, but it's probably easier to ask someone who has already had to defend their beliefs before and already have all the information ready and compact and simplified. I personally could defend my beliefs about the old and new testament s to anyone but I'm asking someone to defend their beliefs about the Quran so I can see what they know that I don't know."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThink of Moses and the snake on the staff, and Jonah spending three days in the belly of a whale, and Abraham sacrificing his own son, and realize that all of those stories are exactly what happened with Jesus, where if you look at Jesus like the Egyptians looked upon the snake on the staff you will be saved, and Jesus spent three days in a tomb, and Jesus was the sacrificed son of god, the whole old testament is one big prophecy. And it's stuff like that that makes me believe in it. But does the Quran have something like that? Not that I know of but I don't know anything so I'm asking people who have studied the Quran what they know about it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nThat probably would've been a better way to make the thread, and bait people into raging against me with answers, but that feels dishonest"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo me it's equally likely that Quran was Muhammad's words as Hamlet was a 10 year old's. I believe in Islam because i don't think someone like Muhammad, a 40 year old merchant in the middle of desert where people hadn't produced a single book before, could suddenly come up with such a linguistic beauty."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why he do it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nThe Soviets would have been mean to him"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russians are gay\n>russians are rapey\n>russians didn't like hitler\n>hitler wanted to die with his black cherry intact\nsimpul as"}, {"id": 4, "content": "In his last moments he realized he had been in the wrong and sentenced himself to death. He was a good guy like Darth Vader."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nNever gets old kek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "THIS SUMMER\n\n> MUSIC PLAYS “OUT HERE IN THE FIELDS I FIGHT FOR MY MEALS”\n\nTHINGS ARE ABOUT TO EXPLODE, LITERALLY"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I am become Sneed... the feeder of seed..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were there really vigilantee samurai? If so, do we know any of their names?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "did he actually want to fuck his mom or was it actually representing rome?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI view Aurelian the same way I look at Alexander. They died at their peak before they got a chance to do something wrong. Maybe if they lived a little longer they might have fucked up badly and history would view them very differently. Not to say this definitely would have happened though, and I'm not an expert on either figure."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Given the Western flood myth’s origin from the Sumerians, the first Sumerian city, Eridu, also being the southernmost, their almost hagiographic love of Dilmun (modern Bahrain), and their believed dissimilarity to the previous Ubaid culture in Sumer, why isn’t the possibility of Sumerian origins in the early Holocene Persian Gulf more widely discussed and researched? A people fleeing rising flood waters encroaching on their fertile river valley would put their arrival in southern Mesopotamia from the south at around 5,000 BC, which is when the Uruk phenomenon and rapid urbanization began.\n\nIt is not an ideal part of the world to do undersea surveys, geopolitically, but people seem to dance around this issue. The most serious survey is here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/657397\n\nThere will never be evidence if you don’t look, and the circumstantial evidence seems compelling. Could this rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia be our opening for some serious archaeology in the region on the scale of Dogger Bank work?\n\nI tend to doubt this proto-Sumerian society, if it existed, would have been advanced, as my guess is that it was the cross pollination between the Semitic speakers (possibly first farmer related) coming down the two rivers from the north meeting these hypothetical Sumerians coming up as refugees that sparked the Uruk\nphenomenon. Why do I have to go on 4chan to talk about this seriously? Fuck Hancock and Atlantis woo retards for setting back plausible underwater archaeology."}, {"id": 2, "content": "vghhhh groBenmesopotamien"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nẞ is what you were looking for there, homie. But yeah. The Persian Gulf may have been comfy for a proto agricultural semi sedentary hunter gatherer lad tryna make it in the world."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Sargon did nothing wrong"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nFunny thing was that he wasn’t even *really* “of Akkad”. He was actually an Am*rite."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat's just chaldean slandering. He was an akkadian through and through."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nCool it with the anti-Chaldean remarks."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\nAramean D&C shills"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nQuite possible. One would think the NW Semitic speakers who “showed up late”, as it were would have a vested interest in also proving even the mother civilization of the Sumerians were relatively recent arrivals themselves, archaeologically speaking.\n\nAre there any takers of the OP theory among this rancorous Syria-Arabian desert roaming crowd?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How strong was Venice actually? They managed to fight and even defeat the Ottomans. The fact they also managed to keep their continental holdings for so long is also impressive. Were they considered a great power like France or Spain? During the middle ages they certainly seem more powerful than some european kingdoms."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany of the achievements of the Genoese have been lumped in with Venice in the modern mindset. They were really twin power houses that punched well above their weight in projecting Western trade and military power deep into the Eastern Mediterranean. There is a reason the Mediterranean “lingua franca” borrowed more from Ligurian than anything else. The Genoese however were more duplicitous, especially in their a little too cozy relations with the Ottomans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> Were they considered a great power\nA middle power tier like Dutch and Prussian"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThat might be true but Genoa seems to lose relevance after the middle ages."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey literally had a colonial empire."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How well known was the Norse exploration and attempted settlement of America across Europe prior to Columbus?\nDid anyone really pay heed to tales of a new land with strange Skraelings?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would Latin America(particularly Mexico, Bolivia and Peru) be like today if the indianista movements of the early 20th century against white and mestizo rule had triumphed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "i dont know of any indigenista movement from the early 20th century\nt. mexican"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I don't know, but having more modern buildings using prehispanic architectural conventions or a blend of modern and prehispanic influences would be rad"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthere's an abandoned theatre-turned-parking lot in downtown guadalajara with those aztec revival stuff, it looks cool even tho it's in ruins"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe original Indianist movements (and even the later neo-Zapatistas) were conservative, even regressive and not progressive. They want to hold onto their privileges like eijidos and to protect their agricultural way of life (like protesting NAFTA). If they triumphed, countries with large indian pop. like Mexico and Peru (did Peru even have an Indianist movement?) would be handicapped economically\n\nReal Indians who speak their language are most likely to be left-wing, communist but not necessarily Marxist, and Catholic at the same time. Also I don't think there's ever been a chance that Indians regain any sort of power in a democratic system, their population is much too small and discriminated against for them to ever gain prestige and leadership"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvo Morales created neo Andean architecture which was really neat and actually tried a indigenous renaissance in his country."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nGot a photo?\n\nIs it this?\n\nIf so this is puuc maya rather then Aztec"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMexican indigenism was more of an artistic movement than an actual political cause. But it probably would be a pre-modern stagnant shithole. I'm sure the rural farmers would be pretty happy though."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If they had triumphed\nThey did triumph. Hence why you have so many Mexicans that otherwise look almost exactly like Castilians claiming to be descended from Nahua eagle warriors with not a single drop of Spaniard blood."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt'd be even more of a shithole."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nyour filename says yucatan, i said downtown guadalajara."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\nNo, we'd probably not even have that.\nIt's really easy to think mexico isn't industrialized but believe me its a lot more developed now than it was 100 years ago."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nI have not once seen a person of such description in my 2 decades of living in this country."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nI'm aware, but note the \"apparently\" in the filename, I haven't confirmed that's where the building is actually from: That's just what one person said they thought it was but even they weren't sure\n\nIf you have pics or a location I can look up on google maps for the guadalajara one i'd be interested in seeing it"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nMind you I have seen people who come from rural towns who look white. I have seen dark as fuck natives from the south with bright blue eyes like cenotes or opal. Never once have I met someone like that."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir caste system would have been dismantled, and their religion would be far more autochthonous."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nhe's exaggerating, but ive met lots of obviously white or mostly white people saying \"Spaniards conquered us\" etc"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about Grant, why did he look constantly depressed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "alcohol is a depressant"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUlysses S. Grant was an American military leader and politician who served as the 18th President of the United States from 1869 to 1877. He was born Hiram Ulysses Grant on April 27, 1822, in Point Pleasant, Ohio, and grew up in Georgetown, Ohio.\n\nGrant graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1843 and served in the Mexican-American War. He left the military in 1854 and struggled to find success in civilian life, eventually returning to the Army at the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861.\n\nDuring the Civil War, Grant quickly rose through the ranks and became one of the Union's most successful generals, winning major battles such as the Battle of Shiloh and the Siege of Vicksburg. He was appointed commander of all Union armies in 1864 and accepted the surrender of Confederate General Robert E. Lee at Appomattox Court House in 1865, effectively ending the war.\n\nAfter the war, Grant served as Commanding General of the Army and was instrumental in Reconstruction efforts in the South. He was later elected President in 1868 and re-elected in 1872. As President, he focused on Civil Service reform and oversaw the passage of the 15th Amendment, which granted African American men the right to vote.\n\nGrant's presidency was marred by scandals, including the \"Whiskey Ring\" scandal and the \"Credit Mobilier\" scandal, which tarnished his legacy. After leaving office, he embarked on a world tour and wrote his memoirs, which were published after his death in 1885. Today, Grant is remembered as one of the Union's most successful generals and an important figure in American history."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are several possible reasons why Ulysses S. Grant may have appeared depressed at times. One factor could be the personal struggles he faced throughout his life, including financial difficulties, alcoholism, and health issues. Grant also faced criticism and controversy during his presidency, particularly related to the scandals that occurred during his administration.\n\nAdditionally, Grant was known to be a reserved and private person, which may have contributed to his sometimes serious demeanor. He also suffered from migraine headaches, which could have caused him discomfort and pain.\n\nIt's worth noting that Grant's facial expressions and body language may not necessarily reflect his inner emotional state. It's possible that his perceived \"depression\" was simply a reflection of his personality or natural demeanor.\n\nUltimately, while there may be some speculation about why Grant appeared despondent at times, we can't know for sure what he was feeling or thinking without further information.\n\nYes, Ulysses S. Grant was a member of the Freemasons, a fraternal organization that has existed for centuries. According to historical records, Grant was initiated into the Masonic Lodge in Galena, Illinois in 1860, just before the outbreak of the Civil War. He later became a member of several other Masonic lodges throughout his life, including lodges in New York, Pennsylvania, and Washington D.C.\n\nDuring his presidency, Grant was also involved in the formation of the Scottish Rite branch of Freemasonry in the United States. However, it's worth noting that Grant's involvement with the Masons did not seem to play a significant role in his political or military career. Rather, his membership in the organization was likely a personal and social affiliation."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Grant wore a long flowing beard that went down to his collar in the early months of the war in 1861 but his wife convinced him that it looked sloppy so he trimmed it to the stubble seen in the photographs."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>One of the few times Grant was seen to actually break out laughing at something came when he read a dispatch from Lincoln concerning the detachment of troops to the Shenandoah Valley in June 1864. He had previously sent a telegram saying that removing troops from the Petersburg trenches would convince the Confederates that the campaign had been a failure and so they were moving those men elsewhere. Lincoln's reply read \"I see you want to hold on like a bulldog biting someone's leg. Keep biting down on them and don't let go.\" Grant would often smile or chuckle at something he found amusing, but he rarely laughed outright the way he did at the president's humorous phrasing.[90]"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Everyone looked depressed in photographs back then. Rictus grin and soimouth didn’t start until the 20th century."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe didn’t smile in photos cause that wasn’t in vogue at the time."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you read Grant's memoirs and a few biographies about him you learn three key things about the man:\n1. That becoming a Westpoint cadet was only pushed onto him by his domineering father and he never wanted to actually be a soldier.\n\n2. He genuinely disliked war and rhe destruction it left behind. He couldn’t become a butcher because he couldn't stand the sight of blood, and according to Grant himself, he never killed a man throughout his entire military career.\n\n3. That being a soldier was ironically the only thing he had ever been good at. Literally everything else, from business to politics, was a failure. Before the Civil War, a fellow veteran of the Mexican War met Grant (who was working as a clerk for his younger brother because he couldn't find work anywhere else) and said \"Grant... What are you doing?\" and gave him some money.\n\nIn a bizarre type of way, the Civil War was the absolute best thing to happen to Grant because it put him in his reluctant element - being a soldier. Imagine if the only thing you were good at was the one thing you never wanted to be and actively disliked on a conceptual level. You would probably be depressed too."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nstop using Chatgpt faggot"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nPoor bastard."}, {"id": 12, "content": "George Meade did not want to be a soldier or attend West Point either but in those times it was the only real place in the United States to study engineering so you pretty much had to go there for that and many West Point grads left the Army for civilian jobs soon after graduating."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>He genuinely disliked war and rhe destruction it left behind. He couldn’t become a butcher because he couldn't stand the sight of blood, and\nDuring the Battle of Shiloh he found that his headquarters had been converted to a field hospital. When he went in and saw wounded men moaning in agony everywhere he immediately went back outside and just slept by a tree despite there being a light rain falling. One other time during the Overland Campaign his wife had visited some military hospital in Washington DC and he asked her to kindly not tell him what she saw and heard there."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeading armed forces in an active conflict is one of the most stressful positions anyone can find themselves in, military generals age like milk because of this. That and he was tasked with killing other Americans, albeit ones who called themselves Confederates."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nin his memoirs he opined that Lee, in his 50s during the war, was too old for the demanding job of leading an army. actually he was never too keen on the Lee cult that developed postwar and didn't have a gigantic amount of respect for the man."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>>14\nThe average age of a ACW general was about 42 with Lee being older than average. If you look at later conflicts like WWII however many of them were somewhat older. it may be that the job was a little less stressful since a WWII general was more of a desk operator and didn't have to actively ride around and direct troops in the field."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nIn WWII the actual job of directing troops on the field was left to majors and below with general officers staying behind the lines most of the time. Eisenhower never actually witnessed combat in almost 40 years in the Army."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nDamn, that’s grim"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRealizing you're responsible for the deaths of 100s of thousands of Americans who just wanted to protect their constitutional rights will do that to you."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tell me about Grant\nHe was obsessed with the children's book Tom Brown's Schooldays\n>why did he look constantly depressed?\nHe was surrounded by sin and decadence that could never match his vision of pure Muscular Christianity"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nFor one thing he wasn't taken with Lee's decision to fight for Virginia and he noted that Winfield Scott and George Thomas were Virginians who remained loyal to the Union."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Winfield Scott\nWhile he was born in Virginia, he hadn't permanently lived there for a while. When he ran for President in 1852 it was with New Jersey as his home state. He had much less of a strong connection to it than Lee, so it makes sense that he didn't feel bound to follow it when it seceded."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Muscular Christianity\nwhat were Grant's PRs?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Winfield Scott\nThat's what really ruined the image of Lee for me. The other great American general, who conquered Mexico, stayed true to his oath and didn't join a rebellion. Kinda puts a damper on Lee's \"honor\" given that ultimately US army soldiers swear oaths of loyalty to the country as a whole and not to their state legislature."}, {"id": 25, "content": "like many people in high stress jobs, Grant was a bit prone to eating poorly and neglecting his health. he had frequent migraines possibly caused by a poor diet that often included stuff like cakes and cabbage in cream."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nThomas did so at great personal cost. his entire family disowned him and he was condemned in the South as a traitor. perhaps the mental stress of this contributed to his early death."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\ndo you think zachary taylor would've defected if he hadn't died?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nHard to say, iirc he was born in Virginia but grew up in Kentucky? Could have remained loyal if he had more of a frontier upbringing with weaker ties to the Tidewater slavers."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nGrant always had some doubts about Thomas because he perceived him as having McClellan disease (ie. too slow and too much of a perfectionist). Chattanooga and Nashville proved he certainly knew how to give the enemy hell, but he loved to take his sweet old time getting ready."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nTaylor owned a giant sugar plantation in Louisiana and he also opposed slavery being expanded to new states and territories. Louisiana was never overwhelmingly in favor of the Confederate cause as secession was mainly the work of the Cotton Belt states (MS, AL, GA, and SC) and they grew sugarcane instead of cotton."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was the guy who had the balls to just throw bodies at the Confederacy until they surrendered.\nYou'd be depressed too if you were him."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy dad named his gigantic perchereon horses after Civil War generals, George (George Thomas) and Grant (Ulysses). I miss those gentle, thunderous boys and I miss my dad."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nI'm sorry anon."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nThanks, such good memories."}, {"id": 35, "content": "He hated music and said there were only two songs—one was “Yankee Doodle” and the other one wasn’t. Sounds like he’d be a party pooper in a war with an epic soundtrack."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not easy living your life knowing that you're a war criminal."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe had no history or culture he spoke a language not his own\nIf he learned Spanish he would have been much happier"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>6\nhe had a good working relationship with Lincoln as they were both from Illinois and had a lot in common while Lincoln had a huge clash of culture with the Easterner McClellan."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\nno he didnt"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>19\n>who just wanted to protect their constitutional rights\nConstitutional rights to what?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe realized he had chosen the side of evil."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nSecede."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nProperty"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWar"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nkill niggers"}, {"id": 46, "content": "he knows what he did"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\nProtect their African-American friends from exploitative Yankee bankers and factory owners."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\n>hey dude we should be able to Balkanize ourselves endlessly\nNo"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe saw the jews slowly parasitizing the South and shifting toward the Union as the war began to manifest.\n>>15\nNeither of them liked each other but they respected each other. Grant was a member of the Lee cult just going off the fact he saw Lee as the final boss and Lee was the only general he gave favorable terms to."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>40\nTo secede, to choose to participate in the only acceptable form of negro management, to decide their own tariffs and taxes.\nA lot of people forget The Union invaded South Carolina pre-war to impose federal tariffs."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.\n\nHuh. Wonder which nation founded itself on just that principle of the legitimacy of seceding from a government you hate."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>21\n>>24\n>choose to defend the place you grew up\n>where you made your friends\n>where you heard stories of battles\n>where you walked by the barrows of heroes\n>where you married your wife\n>where your children were born\nYes, abandon all this in favor of some abstraction that demands you see yourself in a national project with an illiterate peasant from New England whose ancestors were thralls to the summer army then used as farm equipment by Norman petty lords."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>29\n>McClellan disease\nStaying alive and winning is a disease?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nIt's funny how easily recognizable chatgpt is, and people think they will get away with writing papers with this."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can see sorrow in his eyes. He lived with the nickname \"the butcher\" and was *not* for killing rebs."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nYankoids are en embarrassment on an existential level"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nWhat was it for?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nAbsurd death tolls even during victories. But mostly during his defeats, to the point that it gave Lincoln's inner circle frequent doubt about Grant. Still, he was a great leader and general with many burdens."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nHe was only called that after the battle of Cold Harbor."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe already knew no one was going to know who was buried in his tomb"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>Cold Harbor\nIsn't that the realm of Molag Bal, the Lord of Rape?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nSouth West of Ligma."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>50\n>to secede\nNot a constitutional right, and a means of preserving or getting something rather than the end itself to protect, making it a secondary or tertiary question.\n>to choose to participate in the only acceptable form of negro management,\nThe Southern states were fully allowed to participate in slavery, uninhibited. It was only the territories being contended, which is provided for in Article IV Section 3 and slavery's regulation having a long precedent since the Northwest Ordinance of taking place.\n>The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States\n>to decide their own tariffs and taxes.\nWhen was the domestic taxation of any state ever interfered with? In matters concerning the whole Union it is never the power of a single state to decide their own tariffs and taxes, that is the object of the federal government which every state and its people are represented in. This is as absurd as saying that they were fighting for their Constitutional right to decide their very own foreign policy.\n>A lot of people forget The Union invaded South Carolina pre-war to impose federal tariffs.\nLiterally never happened, there was no invasion of SC, only the threat of one to uphold national law.\n\n>>51\n>the Declaration of Independence is part of the Constitution\n>the founders claimed their severance from Britain was within British law or justified on anything else than the righteousness of their cause that not all rebellions share\n\nI want both of you to\n1). Stop being gay.\n2). Stop being retarded."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>6\nTHAT DOG BIT WAS HILARIOUS BOSS"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">Grant was about to learn a few of the handicaps that plagued the Army of the Potomac, how he didn't quite have the operational freedom here that he'd enjoyed in the West. This army's closeness to the nation's capital and the need to ensure it was adequately protected from Confederate raiding parties would always hamper what it was allowed to do, and events in the Shenandoah Valley proved it.[3]"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>This is as absurd as saying that they were fighting for their Constitutional right to decide their very own foreign policy.\nThey literally argue this in saying there exists a right to secede from the Union."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\n>>The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States\nDO THE NEEDFULL SIR REDEEM THE RIGHTS. BLOODY BITCH"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm wondering if there's a list of Bible verses which have been debated and argued over in the past\nSo for example you have Psalm 110, Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 53 which are used by Christians to argue about God, the Messiah and the Trinity\nYou have the Bible verses which people use to calculate the age of the Universe\nYou have II Maccabees which Catholics argue over about prayer for the dead\nYou have Matthew 16:18-19 which Catholics use to argue about the Papacy\nYou have the Eucharist verses\nObviously this is just a very limited number of examples and these are some heavy hitters but I'm sure that there are many others and I'm sure that there are some which have caused arguments which to us seem extremely trivial\nWere there any verses which people in Europe used to argue about the geography of Israel for example?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot a one."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm wondering if there's a list of Bible verses which have been debated and argued over in the past\nI'd be surprised if there was a single verse that everyone has entirely agreed upon and was never debated or argued to some extent. Even the ones like lists of things, people have argued over whether they have alternate meanings for example instead of being more literal."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about some interesting historical Indian states. I’m especially though not solely interested in the Tamil kings. I’ve heard them characterized as particularly mercantile, but don’t know if that’s accurate."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI really fuck with those small kingdoms in the tip of India. I dont know why, but everything about them is so goddamn KINO\n\n1. they all lasted at least 1000 years or more without any break in lineage\n\n2. they all loved to sail, trade, and explore\n\n3. Their buildings are dope\n\n4. They had cool flags\n\n5. they had their own form of martial arts\n\n6. they invented crazy weapons such as the sword-whip\n\n7. their homeland is basically a tropical paradise with white sand beaches and clear blue water\n\nHonestly I wish I was a Tamil so I could larp as these niggas"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBut to answer your question, my favorite Indian states are\n\n>Satavahanas\n>Cholas\n>Pandyas\n>Kalingas\n>Vijayanagaras\n\nThe last one is cool because they united all of South India and basically formed the modern identities of those people"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhat the hell is a sword-whip?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVanga. Pretty cool, it's mentioned in the Mahabharata."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who are some women who actually commanded troops in battles, sieges, and campaigns?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\ntheres those vietnamese women back in the middle ages"}, {"id": 3, "content": "There isn't a single historical female Commander, before the current era of the Longhouse 2.0."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm skeptical that it ever happened. Maybe Joan of Arc was a symbol or mascot but I don't believe she commanded armies. Women in combat and women in armor is purely an erotic fantasy and nothing more."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminder that Jeanne\n>Was extremely pious\n>Was extremely nationalistic\n>Was extremely pure\n>Was extremely beautiful\n>Had large breasts\n>Had toned legs\n>Had a slight tan\n>Had black hair that she cut short\n>Had a low, enthralling voice\n>Was really smart despite being illiterate\n>Was 5’2”\n>Was always on the offensive\n>Loved cannon\n>Loved her country\n>Loved God\n>wanted to raise a family on the countryside after the war was over\n>Had top tier bants\n>Could maybe predict the future\n>Was the best!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>I'm skeptical that it ever happened. Maybe Joan of Arc was a symbol or mascot but I don't believe she commanded armies.\n\n\"In all she did, except in affairs of war, she was a very simple young girl; but for warlike things such as bearing the lance, assembling an army, ordering military operations, directing artillery-she was most skillful. Every one wondered that she could act with as much wisdom and foresight as a captain who had fought for twenty or thirty years. It was above all in making use of artillery that she was so wonderful.\"\n-Prince Jean, Duke of Alençon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npic-unrelated"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoudicca"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would follow her ta-tas anywhere…"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Cleopatra fought for Africa"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor some reason, Women of the Diadochoi era actually led men into battle. Philip ii's family was fulll of warriors, including the women. Both Alexander's mother, half-sister and niece led men into battle"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nI don’t get why people simp for her. She massacred unarmed civilians and then ate shit fighting the first actual Legionnaires she met despite outnumbering them a bazillion to one"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>had wild hot sex, missionary style, with a teenage English bowman with a corny name like Tom\nThey don't tell you that in school!"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan had female warriors (onna-musha) that would fight alongside samurai, but they were later phased out. Tomoe Gozen is the most well known one, basically the Japanese Joan of Arc as far as cult status goes."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nI want to go back in time and have sex with them"}, {"id": 16, "content": "It's not clear to what extent this happened in Mesoamerica, but some Maya queens like K'abel, who was placed onto throne at El Peru to head/as a political marriage with the Wak/Centipede dynasty by the Kaan/Snake dyansty of Calakmul, held formal military titles, even higher ones then her husband.\n\nSome Mixtec and Zapotec queens like Six Monkey (left in pic related) are also depicted with weapons and in martial contexts in codices, though how much of that is symbolic and represents conquests made under her reign vs actually with her on the field as a commander or a combatant isn't clear.\n\nThis is a neat overview on Six Monkey: https://maskoftheflowerprince.wordpress.com/2019/03/12/lady-six-monkey-the-great-warrior-queen-of-the-mixtecs/ I can't vouch for everything it says since I have only light reading of Mixtec docies and dyanistic conflicts, but most of what it says fits my knowledge of the topic. Wish it talked more about 8 Deer and his similarly sick exploits and life story more though\n\nWomen fighting in Mesoamerican wars does come up on occasion, but it's absolutely not the norm, more of a \"if shit is really dire sometimes they particpated\" thing in defensive wars, or occasionally being brought as onlookers in some circumstances and that then leading to the former"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Manly women"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anzac day is now Aztec Day."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is Mannerheim the pound-for-pound best commander of WW2? Nobody else did so much with so little. Finland basically punched above its weight for his entire tenure."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Macedonians were literally invented in the 1870's so vulgar Bulgarians can just claim a cooler name\nSo you can just make up ethnic groups huh?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Greek identity was also made up in 1821 and fostered by the great powers to weaken the Ottomans. I don’t really see your point."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGreek culture has a language with consistent literary and religious traditions, Macedonians are literally just mildly different Bulgarians. It's like saying Iowans are different from Americans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe lookd Turkish"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nanybody would look turkish with those clothes and that mustache"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1870's\nMore like 1960s"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nLike how \"Italy\" and \"Germany\" was created."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>So you can just make up ethnic groups huh?\nYes, half of ethnicity is just feeling."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah pretty much. Same exact thing with Moldova and the people in it. Hell, their flag is almost identical as well, but still they insist on being something different. Like, why? Your countries would both benefit from uniting, because both would undoubtedly be economically stronger as a unified nation. Same with Bulgaria and \"Macedonia\", Albania and Kosovo (where almost everyone speaks Albanian)."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI think nation-states are useful and all, but being this hyperspecific and divisive really fucks things up. We've been seeing a lot of separatists lately, even separatists from regions that blanketly and objectively benefit from staying in their country (Catalonia, Scotland, and Texas come to mind). People are so fixated on their \"culture\" being so damn unique and oppressed that they forget that dividing the world up like that only creates small incoherent messes. I think it's a conspiracy to weaken the world to both maintain American hegemony and build up Chinese hegemony. I use TikTok (I know that's unpopular on 4chan but I don't care) and I see literal kids bag on and on about pseudo-nationalism all the time to \"benefit\" barely existing cultural boundaries."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat are you talking about? \"Macedon\" sounds like a weapon and a dinosaur, fuckin' badass, while \"Bulgarians\" sounds like some kind of instrument or those cornet-shaped snack thingies."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nIn my post\n\"...so vulgar Bulgarians can just claim a cooler name\"\nI agree with you, that's the thing."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nThe state was made, after the revolution. Not the identity.\n>inb4 MODERN GREEKS =/= ANCIENT GREEKS"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah literally the entirety of the Americas, half of Africa and Arab middle east is artificially constructed ethnic groups (Canadians, Argentines, Syrians, Libyans, Nigerians, etc)"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It is impossible for me to believe in God.\n\nAll scientific discovery points to everything being a random accident due to the scale of the universe and it's unlimited dice rolls.\n\nThere is no way humans are a divine creation by a higher power. They are definitely just ape creatures that evolved over millions of years that can do math, but 99% can't even do that and are basically useless animals.\n\nWhere did the universe come from? Definitely not a God. The universe and life developed in a way you'd expect if there was no intelligence behind it. Just random chaos slowly creating order over time in small pockets that appear to be \"designed\". This \"God\" cannot be found to be active in any part of life or this world."}, {"id": 2, "content": "> It is impossible for me to believe in God.\nnot believing in shit made up by people is normal.\n\nto deny that there may be something outside our consciousness, transcendental, which nothing in this universe will ever know (more likely \"there\" is not even such a thing as know and recognising) a sign that you believe in science just like christian in god"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion is retarded shit and the more time goes on the more retarded you have to be to cling to it.\n\nA sky jew creates the universe 30 billion years ago because it wants to judge a species of advanced primates and give them tickets to a jew kingdom in the sky? Yeah, you're a fucking idiot if you believe that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThere is no point in even thinking about shit like that which \"nothing in this universe will ever know\". Life in this universe is completely meaningless and accidental. Just the right dice roll among the trillions of stars over billions of years."}, {"id": 5, "content": "God does exist"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It is impossible for me to believe in God.\nUh-oh…."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIs that Jew going to somehow convince me Noah's Ark is real and space is fake?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nno anon, nothing can save you."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou're right, nothing can save you either. Your god is not real, and you will not be going to live in a magic jew castle in the sky after you die."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nChristians say space is fake?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo, not that it matters to the reprobate."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYes, Christians say the universe is 6,000 years old and God created the starlight from 13 billion light years away \"already on its way to earth\" so that the universe would appear old but actually still be young.\n\nThey also say the earth is flat and the firmament is the dome of water and the stars are angels."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nBased and Calvin pilled."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nNo, you are a worthless ape that came into being and will die like every other animal and insect on this planet. You think you're special? You're not. You will die the same as a dog and will be going to the same place, eternal void."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nCope and seethe, non-elect."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAs an Atheist, you can never one-up me, because I know that there is no god to reward you, and no god to punish me."}, {"id": 17, "content": "God exists"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAll evidence points to the opposite"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>18\nOk. Substantiate your claims."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nnope\nGod exists"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfDF5Ew3Gc [Embed]\n\nHuman evolution is true. This whole Christian \"God used evolution and then injected a soul into the Adam and Eve apes\" is the most retarded cope I've ever heard. Evolution through natural selection is exactly how you'd expect life to form over time if there was no God. All random chaos, brutal, survival of the fittest, rape, incest, killing, for millions of years, and God never paying attention or showing up to help make things right. And that's exactly how it happened and is still happening to this day."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>\"MUH ADAM AND EVE ATE DA FRUIT AND CAUSED IT TO BE THIS WAY!!!! MUH FALL!!!\""}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nGod exists\nEvolution is a valid theory worth being developed\nThe soul is not an epiphenomenon of the body, thus it's not originated in or explained by evolution\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nAlso, all pieces of the process for life to emerge by itself have been discovered. There's only one piece left to solve, how the right combination of RNA got in the lipid membrane. Just random chance over millions of years, since this was happening trillions of times per day on earth, all it took is for 1 time to accidentally get the right combination. \"Oh but my God of the gaps must have done that part!\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nYou can't even show this \"soul\" to be real. A soul has never been found."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nThere's no god and no soul. There's no evidence for them and they explain nothing that can't be explained with natural phenomenon."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nThis doesn't disprove God's existence\n\nGod exists\n\n>>25\nThe soul is as real as freedom. Their reality is not a matter of theoretical knowledge and the language of positive sciences. Also God.\n\nGod exists\n\n>>26\n>There's no god and no soul\nYes, there is\n\n>There's no evidence for them\nI agree. not by the regular models of scientific explanation and evidence which are perfectly valid for their own objects of inquiry\n\n>they explain nothing that can't be explained with natural phenomenon\nThey do refer to man in ways that have nothing to do with \"natural phenomenon\"\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>There's no evidence for them\n>I agree\n\nI agree"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nGood! It's nice that we agree, brother!\nDon't forget the rest of what I said though: \"not by the regular models of scientific explanation and evidence which are perfectly valid for their own objects of inquiry\"\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThe God that made this universe and life would have to be a complete fucking moron. He did a terrible job."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>The God that made this universe and life would have to be a complete fucking moron\nwrong, and you shouldn't say that about Him\n\n>He did a terrible job.\nNope, He didn't. Why are you saying these things?\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Why does this anon's metaphysical views belong on the history board?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIt's the history of life on earth. The history of \"& humanities\"."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nYou think a giant radiation filled deathtrap universe and the meaningless suffering of animals over million years is a good design?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYes, are you not enjoying the crucible of souls?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>2\n>to deny that there may be something outside our consciousness, transcendental, which nothing in this universe will ever know (more likely \"there\" is not even such a thing as know and recognising) a sign that you believe in science just like christian in god\n*Most Retarded Thing I've Read to Day Award*"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nFucked up today, I am the true retard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did he feel content and fulfillment or remorse that he died prematurely and could have instead lived a long happy life with several servants, concubines and whatever he wants like kings used to?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly a coward or the lucky lives to be an old man\n\nHe fancied himself lucky"}, {"id": 3, "content": "> took most of the known world but cucked out of crossing the Indus/Ganges\n> had sex with Central Asian qt Roxanna, but she wasn't by his side at his death bed\n> didn't get to settle down and REALLY rule an empire\n> didn't live to see what he'd be known for in history in its full splendor\n> didn't get to build cool monument\n> He was the greatest manlet, reached heights none could even dream of"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe felt that he fucked up big time and all of it was for nothing."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndepression, I think he questions himself and saw that he died alone surrounded by traitors"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Africa has long ago outstripped its carrying capacity and is dependent on foreign food aid. Even if white farmers have vastly improved the local production of foodstuffs it cannot keep up with even the current population never mind the ongoing growth. But is that sort of aid merely delaying the inevitable malthusian dieoff and making its scale even more catastrophic when it does happen? And what can be done about it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Forgot to say but past experience shows all it may take is a strong eruption somewhere in the world so it won't necessarily need to wait until the whole world's crops become insufficient by 2100 or something"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's all Europeans fault. This is why all Africans MUST migrate to Europe"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Africa has long ago outstripped its carrying capacity\nCarrying capacity can shift a lot. Generating food is not the issue but rather conflict, being forced into a generating cash crops over food and mass protectionism abroad to potential export markets+food dumping.\n\n>Even if white farmers have vastly improved the local production of foodstuffs\nWhite farmers where in what part of the world? In West Africa once France stopped protecting the interests of Petite blancs in West Africa local farmers outstripped white farmers who slot their ability to access corvee labour.\n\n>But is that sort of aid merely delaying the inevitable malthusian dieoff and making its scale even more catastrophic when it does happen? And what can be done about it?\nMalthusian is more applicable to animals and pop growth isn't solely tied to food."}, {"id": 5, "content": "You kill African leaders who try to be self-sufficient and then you whine like this."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust kill them all, so we'll feel bad about it later. Solves the problem both from an economic and a moral standpoint."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe entire chocolate industry is propped up by West Africans growing it for dogshit 1$ a day profit incomes since they contribute 70% percent of the worlds cocoa."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Solves the problem both from an economic and a moral standpoint.\nSeveral industries collapse or crash."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIn the short-term, yeah, but it's better in the long term once you get genetically smarter people to migrate there and work. Resources are finite. We (as in the entire human species) can't afford having half of the world population dragging the entire group down."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>but it's better in the long term once you get genetically smarter people to migrate there and work\nNo one will want to work and slave shit like that you retard. Someone has to work the mines for jackshit pay so the companies can meet their margins, someone has to work in 35C+ temps to farm those crops. You wanna do that for 2 dollars a day and have Musculoskeletal disorders at age 32 be my guest.\n\n>Resources are finite\nInnovations and efficiency is a thing. The real issue is wastage.\n\n>We (as in the entire human species) can't afford having half of the world population dragging the entire group down.\nYet the \"top half\" constantly extracts the \"bottom half\" while the latter basically gets not much out of the dynamics. It's not even 50/50."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIf work becomes that scarce wages will rise and the product becomes less affordable to those that can still pay for it. Literally what happened after the black death + encouraging less work intensive pasturage on formerly farmland"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Yet the \"top half\" constantly extracts the \"bottom half\" while the latter basically gets not much out of the dynamics. It's not even 50/50.\nExtracts what?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>If work becomes that scarce wages will rise.\nAnd no one will want to work it if that means working in shitty conditions just liek how no American wants to wage slave as farm labour.\n\n>Literally what happened after the black death\nvastly different scenario.\n\n>encouraging less work intensive pasturage on formerly farmland\nAs long as farmers and mines want to have mass profit and the ability to recruit and underpay disenfranchised they will lobby and coerce the state just as they did in the colonial era."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nAgain as anon said >>5\nThose \"countries\" are prop by western nations who under control of business leaders to do so."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Handouts generally perpetuate/create poverty.\nIt kills the local food market and disincentivize family planning."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\n>You kill African leaders who try to be self-sufficient\nLike who?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nNot really. Giving people stuff doesn't make them poor. If you were saving up for a car and someone gave you one you wouldn't be poorer, you would be richer and that money could be spent on something else. The problem with blacks always was and always will be their low intelligence."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt's called enabling, you retard."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\ninb4 mugabe"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>Handouts generally perpetuate/create poverty.\nThat doesn't even make sense. The act of giving aid does not make you \"sloe\" anything or create poverty.\n\n>It kills the local food market\nThat's not really kills it anon. As long as one's comparative advantage is \"growing cash crops\" they'll always have to deal with the risks of fluctuating markets and demands.\n\n>disincentivize family planning.\nThey have more kids regardless because in rural families more kids means more labours retard but even the cities are having fertility rate drops\n\n>>18\n>It's called enabling\nNo not really."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nOh and in regards to handouts rich people or those with potential clout have always been able to get bailouts, government assistance, tax breaks etc yet when poor people need aid it's \"bad\"?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nNo. Africans need to be allowed to sink or swim. I will never understand why whites are so hellbent on being Africa's daddy."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Africans need to be allowed to sink or swim\nThat's implying other people get that treatment. Most cases they don't.\n\n>I will never understand why whites are so hellbent on being Africa's daddy.\nWhy do you assume white's do that?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of what you said is total bullshit, but if aiding people will help me do a tax writeoff for my company then that's the moral choice for me."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nIf the people are smarter why the fuck would they migrate to shithole jungle and do slave work for pennies? It's midwits like you who drag the group down."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nA lot of losers assume that white people will suddenly lose all sense of self-preservation and self-respect to wage slave in slave-shit conditions, in some malarial 40 degree shithole for some hoity-toity rich guy's company/business, all for the sake of some vague \"higher racial goal\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any good documentaries on the Hundred Years War that talks about the warfare and strategies?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No. Every documentary/youtube video ive seen so far is shit that reduces the entire war to Crecy and Agincourt english wank, and then Jeanne happend Frogs win lol THE END\nUnironicaly, the best ive ever seen was a series of posts by an anon doing a timeline of the war here on /his/, when this boards wasnt such a irredeemable piece of garbage, and later put on a blog. But I dont have the links to it, so you will have to do some digging on the archives"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The Early Middle Ages\n>The High Middle Ages\n>The Late Middle Ages\nWhich are your favorites?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirst, define these time periods with dates."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLate"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nInstead of asking why not just assert you're own instead of being told knowing full well you won't agree\n\nYou're like a baby screaming for food knowing you're just going to spit it back as soon as you get it"}, {"id": 5, "content": "The Black Middle Ages"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nschizo"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh. Crusades+peak HRE"}, {"id": 8, "content": "VGGHHHH.... the thvrtvnth cvntvry..."}, {"id": 9, "content": "High Middle Age\n> Epic quests for long lost treasure\n> Fun adventures to faraway lands\n> cute damsels always in distress\n> some mystery still left from the Early Middle Age while some development as we approach the Late Middle Age\n> fun court life with songs, dance, intrigue\nLate Middle Age seems to be post-apocalyptic and remarkably like the Early Middle Age (but less mystery) what with the Black Death, wars, Turk hordes, rise of Islam, and so forth."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nLazy ass mf get a job incel"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarly Middle Ages.\nIt was basically Rome + Barbarity"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nThe thirteenth century had a lot of great European rulers.\n>Saint Louis IX\n>Alexander Nevsky\n>Saint Ferdinand III\n>Frederick II Stupor Mundi\n>Béla IV\n>James I the Conqueror\n>Afonso III\n>Muhammad I\n>Uros I the Great\n>Wenceslaus I\n>Mindaugas\n>Haakon IV"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarly middle ages despite how depressing it can get."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nMy guess would be\n476-962 (Otto the great and the HRE)\n962- 1291 (End of the Kingdom of Jerusalem)\n1291-1453\n\nOr should the end of the black death be the late middle age mark?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\nMeds. Now."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nPost some 13th century European sculpture"}, {"id": 17, "content": "High medieval. 955-1291."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nThere's a lot to choose from but my favourite are these French ivories."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThanks anon.\nDo you have any more of stone sculptures specifically?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nIs that an ishtar egg?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Dark Ages.\nYes I know they aren't uniformly \"dark\", but the name is based and immediately evocative in a way \"Migration Era\" or \"the Low Medieval period\" isn't."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh Middle Ages.\n\nYou had the Norman conquests of Sicily and England, the Seljuk invasions, the Alexiad, the First Crusade, etc."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>The Early Middle Ages\n>>The High Middle Ages\n>>The Late Middle Ages\n>Which are your favorites?\nEarly, High, Late. In that order"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nIt depends on the country honestly.\n\nFor example, for England it would be:\n>The Early Middle Ages: 1066-1154 (Norman Conquest to the end of the Anarchy)\n>The High Middle Ages: 1154-1337 (Angevin Empire to the start of the Hundred Years War)\n>The Late Middle Ages: 1337-1485 (Hundred Years War and Wars of the Roses)\n\nIt's not uniformly the same across the continent and it's fundamentally an arbitrary label. I'd actually argue that the true 'Middle Ages' didn't start until the mid-1100s. For England it's when the Plantagenets took over, ending the Norman episode (better understood as the end of the Dark Ages). For France it's the start of royal power asserting itself with Phillipe Auguste. For Germany it sees Barbarossa dominating central Europe. Economically and socially this was the start of a time of prosperity too, the restoration of order and the spreading of trade and wealth."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nMiddle is more better."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nWhy do you think, that the \"English\" middle ages only begun after 1066, a popular date for the beginning of the high middle ages?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh Middle Ages\n>>2\nNigger"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>18\nCan't beat the Late Middle Ages there"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nBecause the Norman Conquest was the culmination of the long-running competition over the throne of England which had lasted since 1014, and is best viewed in that context, as the end of the Dark Ages rather than the start of the Middle Ages.\n\n1066 is a weird start point because the House of Normandy were far more similar to what came before than after. They were basically a French speaking Viking dynasty and acted like it. The way they did inheritance, put down revolts, etc. They weren't even new to England, the entire reason the Conquest happened is because Edward the Confessor was practically a Norman himself. And they followed some old practices - the White Ship incident which doomed the House of Normandy is known because it was the death of William Adelin, the heir. Adeling = Ætheling. See what I mean?\n\nI'd contend that it was the Plantagenets who cemented the French character of the ruling class in England, not the Normans. That's also when the 'Middle Ages' began in earnest, with the Dark Age era of Viking/Anglo-Saxon/Norman behaviours giving way to a more orderly French speaking king and baronial class which ebbed and flowed in their respective authorities."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>8\nAh yes, the thurtunth century."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDefinitely late."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor me, it's the Late Middle Ages. Just so many kino characters, figures and events.\n>The Hundred Years' War\n>Wars of the Roses\n>Scottish Wars of Independence\n>Sir William Wallace\n>St. Joan of Arc\n>King Henry V of England\n>Dracula\n>Tamerlane\n>The end of the Roman Empire and the Fall of Constantinople\n>The completion of the Reconquista\n>The discovery of the New World\n>Gunpowder\n>The printing press\n>etc."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nScottish Wars of Independence and William Wallace is High Middle Ages, not Late Middle Ages."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIt's not like the Late Middle Ages didn't have their scottish battle fronts. Hell they even had ones in Iberia and Italy (indirectly with retired mercenaries wrecking havoc)"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMedieval sounds cooler than middle ages"}, {"id": 36, "content": "How were historical periods categorized in the past?\nWhen did people start believing that the era they were living in was different from the ones prior (particularly Middle Ages to Renaissance)?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nDamn Straight"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nThe Medieval conception was that they were living in the final age of the world following the schema derived from the Book of Daniel, where world history is divided into a series of four empires (which usually went Assyria/Babylon, Medes/Persia, Greece/Macedonia, and Rome/Byzantium/HRE, but there were slight variations). It was well recognized that the HRE was a shadow of Constantine's empire, but due to translatio imperii it was technically still the age of Rome, and it wasn't until Petrarch that you started to get claims of a division into classical, medieval and 'modern'."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\nEuropean scholars and art historians divide the medieval period into four periods: Carolingian (c. 750-900), Ottonian (c. 900-1056), Romanesque (c. 1057-1150), and Gothic (1150-1475)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the origin of Kathoey? So, is the lgbt movement accepted in the culture and religions of Southeast Asia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Thank god I am not an Asian male."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably because seamonkey males are either raging 5'5 musclebound dwarves or 5'5 low test twinks, theres a weird dichotomy, it seems to be a higher rate of this than other nations, probably genetics because they have small balls, i bet its selected for the same way meds selected for twinks by allowing twinks into harems where theyd sneakily reproduce with women"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>this is what Darwinists literally believe"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Historically: Southeast Asia was influenced by South Asian views on gender. Among said views is the belief of a third sex of effeminate males who believe they are womens souls in men's bodies.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)\n\nThailand is pajeeted as fuck so....\n\nRecently: the Vietnam War built the sex industry in Thailand singlehandedly. When fags saw the amount of semenbucks regular whores made, they joined in the game as trannies instead of just regular male whores. With gender reassignment available by the late 80s-2000s, this furthered the tranny phenomena in Thailand."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDon't Hindus and Buddhists believe that souls can be reincarnated as members of either sex?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThat's another factor yes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngay men becoming \"women\" to escape homophobia. most PoC 3rd world trannies in general (asian, black, hispanic) belong to the HSTS type, in contrast to 1st world white trannies that are mostly part of the AGP (sissy) type\n>tl;dr\nPoC GAY men are the PoC men trooning out (HSTS), meanwhile STRAIGHT white men are the white men trooning out (AGP)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nlmao\nthis fucking board"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nthis faggot is not even a tranny, just a crossdresser\n\nwhite trannies mog the shit out of other trannies, white males have the ideal feminine features to become women"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nAs a SEAmonke its really funny when Western LGBTQRX think we're progressive for not oppressing gays. In reality however we do something more insidious: we don't take their existence seriously and treat them either as comic relief or sex objects."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nnothing special, they give them the same treatment that Brazil and Latin America give to transsexuals"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>Thank god I am not an Asian m-ACK\nAmerica have highest LGBTQIAustist"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nAmerica is not at the level Brazil, South Korea, Thailand and Iran"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine making love to these ladies while looking deep in their eyes and holding hands intertwined."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Africa is the only non gay continent it seems"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nTrue, you actually worship them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Im reading a book about the meeting between Mao and Nixon and Ive come to the (in hindsight, obvious) conclusion that Mao was mentally retarded"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Well yeah, dude literally ate dogs and cats frequently."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIs that odd for the average chinaman?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is that retarded? If you (correctly) discount the value of the average Chinese person it’s totally rational"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nwhen youre the leader of said chiense, it should factor in"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWho would know their value better? That’s the point"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's not retarded, he was legitimately betting on them not being able to kill all of them. literally zerg tactics"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not retarded, it's absolutely psychotic, but it has a logic to it.\nShit like this is why Maoists honestly terrify me, absolutely batshit insane people."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of the reasons why Mao and Khrushchev fallout occurred is that Khrushchev didn't launch missiles during the Cuban crisis, so his plan of a nuclear ear didn't come to fruition.\n\nMao also advocated for the Chinese to eat less since it's antithetical to being bourgeois and was healthier.\n\nI think he was an exemplary communist - no regards for welfare, nutrition, commodities for the proles as long as it's all equal.\n\nThe only difference between Pol Pot and Mao is that the former has killed a proportionally largely % of his country's population, so it's harder to dismiss for tankies and commies as \"drawbacks\" and \"overzealousness\" in policies.\n\nAnother important point to consider when looking at the West European political history, is that many of the students protesting God knows what in 1968 in France were Maoist."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao didn't say that."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe wasn't retarded, he was Chinese. Life has no value to them, only purpose to the clan."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nNovember 18, 1957\nMao Zedong, 'Speech at a Meeting of the Representatives of Sixty-four Communist and Workers' Parties' (Edited by Mao)\n\n>At present another situation has to be taken into account, namely, that the war maniacs may drop atomic and hydrogen bombs everywhere. They drop them and we act after their fashion; thus there will be chaos and lives will be lost. The question has to be considered for the worst. The Politburo of our party has held several sessions to discuss this question. If fighting breaks out now, China has only hand-grenades and not atomic bombs - which the Soviet Union has, though. Let us imagine, how many people will die if war should break out? Out of the world's population of 2,700 million, one-third – or if more, half - may be lost. It is they and not we who want to fight; when a fight starts, atomic and hydrogen bombs may be dropped. I debated this question with a foreign statesman. He believed that if an atomic war was fought, the whole of mankind would be annihilated. I said that if the worst came to the worst and half of mankind died, the other half would remain while imperialism would be razed to the ground and the whole world would become socialist; in a number of years there would be 2,700 million people again and definitely more."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>The only difference between Pol Pot and Mao is that the former has killed a proportionally largely % of his country's population\nare you implying mao didnt?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>* a proportionally larger"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">In a 1958 speech concerning the recent Anti-Rightist Campaign, Mao remarked \"They say Shi Huang Ti (the legendary \"first emperor\") buried 400 scholars alive. Well, we've buried 40,000. So please don't compare us to Shi Huang Ti, we've outdone him a hundredfold.\"[3]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Mao. There are too many Chinese people to be a weepy faggot about some dying. It’s like inflation but with people."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nYou will notice that has nothing to do with the alleged quote and presents a completely different interpretation on Mao's part about the significance of nuclear war.\nMao according to some hostile diplomat:\n>I don't care if the world burns and half my country dies\nMao in reality:\n>Anyone who wants war is insane but if it did happen my side would survive and my enemies would die\n\nI fucking hate liars. Anyone who lies to influence international relations is true evil and a fucking demon."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe wasn’t retarded, he saw the human wave techniques the Soviets used against Germany and realized that it would basically make China invincible since they can throw an endless supply of chinks at the meat grinder and never run out before America and the USSR both collapsed. China would be devastated beyond belief, but there would still be chinks left over and they’d be able to rebuild."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>>Anyone who wants war is insane\ncoming from the man who wanted to push half of chinese cities underground"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "when did you realize Camelot was a lie/media fantasy and he was just a mediocre mob bottom/pawn of big city Democrat mayors?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen I learned that Arthur Schlesinger was a proto-basedboy and a complete liar/propagandist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFailing to assassination Castro\nFailing to prop up Diem"}, {"id": 4, "content": "he was young and incompetent and bought/stole his way into the presidency\nBut he was good looking and young so he represented the new generation or something.\nif he had lived he would have been the monster who owned the vietnam war, not lbj"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>he was young and incompetent and\n>literally has to call Nixon back to the White House after fucking up the Bay of Pigs invasion to ask him how he would have gone about this operation"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the most overrated President of all time. He gets hype solely because he was young and good looking (for a politician) and because of his assassination and the shock it caused.\n\nI have to give him points for the Cuban Missile Crisis, but otherwise he really has no successes or accomplishments to speak of."}, {"id": 7, "content": "he got next to no legislation passed because Congress was dominated by good ol' boy Southerners who didn't respect this daddy's money Northeasterner and thought he was a child trying to wear his parent's clothing. Speaker Sam Rayburn said of his cabinet members (Robert McNamara and friends) \"I just wish one of them had served as a sheriff somewhere.\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">We are both communists\n>We are both against American and European dominance\n>We both support African independence movements\n>We both want world revolution\n>We have no major territorial disputes\n>...\n>AAAA NNNNOOO YOU SAID STALIN WASN'T PERFECT, FUUCK YOU *forms a quasi-alliance with the capitalist USA*\n>NNNNOOOO YOU CALLED ME A REVIONIST, I'M GONNA FUCKING NUKE YOU! *asks capitalist USA if its okay to attack*\nWhat the hell was this? It's beyond parody. Are Communists incapable of overlooking some minor Theological differences to unite against a common foe? These fuckers were closer to blowing each other up than they were to actually attacking the capitalist world"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">What the hell was this? It's beyond parody. Are Communists incapable of overlooking some minor Theological differences to unite against a common foe?\n\nYes\n.t Gommie"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina's split from the USSR is inevitable in hindsight. Even if you ignore all the Communist autism, the CCP is also a Nationalist party and many changs saw the USSR's leadership of the Communist world as Western Imperialism all the same.\n\nThey also have differing goals: the USSR is universalist while the CCP's main goal isnt the achievement of some worker's utopia but the re-strengthening of China."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread Enver Hoxha"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>We have no major territorial disputes\nlol"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like Khrushchev wanted total control over the communist bloc. He demanded Soviet control of the Chinese navy for example\nWhy don't you ask the Catholic Cardinal Richelieu why he spent his life undermining the Catholic Habsburg empire. So much for Christian unity right?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIf we stick to orthodox Marxist lines, the nationality shouldn't matter, giving control of the navy to the Soviets would simply be giving control of the navy to further the international revolution. Refusing is a petty act of provincialism and nationalism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSee >>3\n\nNationality matters diddly squat for Western Communists. For Asian communists its completely the opposite."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThey were Marxist-Leninist. The Leninist contribution requires incorporating his theses on imperialism, in which case relations between the USSR and PRC should've involved transfers of resources from the USSR to the PRC and fraternal development of Chinese power."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe sino-soviet split has to be the biggest squandered opportunity in history"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nAnd you understand Marxism better than the Communist Party of China?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe CCP is and has always been a Chinese nationalist, they saw the Soviet Union as encroaching on Chinese interests and as another imperialistic European power. China will never place itself on equal footing with a non-East Asian ally because it will always distrust them."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Are Communists incapable of overlooking some minor Theological differences to unite against a common foe\n\nYes. Especially when their beliefs are so tied to ideological talking points"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do people simp so hard for this absolute chode?\n>got absolutely rocked in every conflict he fought\n>couldn't beat the romans when they were at their lowest point\n>couldn't beat a bunch of disorganized pirates staking out an island, with a sympathetic population backing him\n>invited by multiple groups\n>killed by an old lady\n>no substance, just hype.\n>even demetrius achieved more than he did\nEvery group that asked him to help them immediately regretted it and I don't blame them. dude had no idea what he was doing frankly"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou wouldn't get it."}, {"id": 3, "content": "He was gonna be the new Alexander or something"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">knife fighting manual from 500 years ago\n>everyone is using reverse grip\nI thought it was new?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>knife[...]\n\nTHOSE DEPICTED ARE DAGGERS.\n\n\n>everyone is using reverse grip\n>I thought it was new?\n\nWHY WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey all look so happy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nKnife fights are fun"}, {"id": 5, "content": "modern clothing was always disgusting..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts a dagger nigga, not a knife. Thrusting and stabbing is the name of the game and mostly vs. armored opponents, so medieval euronigs mostly used the icepick grip.\n\nNowadays armor is a non-factor, so knives are mostly used, with cuts factoring into many styles."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Icepick is retarded and you're way more likely to stab your own head using it. Box fighting is far superior with minimum injury. Don't even bother with icepick unless you've held a blade for years, and even then it's only good for forcing entry. Sweeps and lunges are still best with a regular grip.\nOr just go full German and mordhau it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what historical tattoo should I get?\n\nNothing nazi, or racist"}, {"id": 2, "content": "'Made for BBC'"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA spade with a Q"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“I’m a non-conformist” in Chinese"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Я пидopac"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFull body woad tattoo like an ancient Pict"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidari\nGreek (Turko-Arab) bros..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">It's another Greek demoralization spam raid\n\nNo matter how may jpgs and pngs with caricatures and made up statistics you post, you will never break the HELLENIC spirit...!\n\nThis is something that you turks, muslims, australians and other antihellene cowards may never understand...\n\nBecause we Greeks are like the Phoenix... Strong, majestic, powerful and even if you somehow manage to kill it, it will come back stronger than ever!!!!\n\nNOTHING WILL BREAK THE GREEK SPIRIT!!!\nWE WILL NEVER STOP BEING PROUD OF OUR LEGACY!!!\n\nHELLAS FOREVER!!!\nIMMORTAL AND ETERNAL!!!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWho is that turk standing beside the hoplite"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The early christians didn't believe in heaven as a magic place in another dimension that go to to when you die. The original \"heaven\" was a literal jew kingdom that Jesus was going to establish on earth when he returned and when that happened all the dead jews would be resurrected from the grave with new bodies. That's why resurrection is such a prominent theme in the gospels. It was only after the christian cult was opened up to gentiles and Jesus failed to return that heaven was reinterpreted as a magic jew kingdom in the sky for dead people. And I say \"sky\" because early christians thought god lived in the sky. God living in a vague, undefined other dimension is a recent invention."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Heaven is another word for sky. Thus the contrast in the words \"on earth as it is in heaven\" in the Lord's prayer."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The idea of sickle-celled negroes in medieval Europe used to be regarded as comical and silly. It boggles the mind how things drastically change."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKino movie"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYeah, it's probably my favorite black comedy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP it is called the Black Death for a reason. Europe used to be full of Black people plenty of roman era artwork proves it"}, {"id": 5, "content": "black dudes want to isekai to a time when whiteys didn't experience enslaving blacks yet, so they saw blacks as \"woah whats that?\" as opposed to \"oh no a nigger bout to snatch my purse!\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The idea of sickle-celled negroes in medieval Europe used to be regarded as comical and silly.\nu wut m8? Othello was basically the OG BLACKED fantasy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would be the long term consequences of this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Its hopelessly grim in my opinion\nthis is simply the result of smarter people having less kids than they should\nIQ is negatively correlated with fertility even controlled for every possible factor like education or income.\npeople with an IQ of over 120(meaning those who actually push humanity to new frontiers) have a fertility rates of less than 1.5, and since intelligence is about .75 heritable, smart humans will soon be completely absorbed by the dumb cattle that are god for nothing but manual labor.\nIts over"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA based world."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell the rapid population growth in Africa is far from ideal, as Africa is the region of the world most prone to war, famine, and governmental collapse.\n\nHaving more people could provide further strain on African supply chains and institutions, and as there is a massive brain drain of the educated Africans leaving for Europe or America, this will mean that there will likely be a vast shortage of doctors and trained professions in Africa compared to it's new, higher population.\n\nEurope has the problem of population loss, as feminism, atheism, urbanism, and the post-industrial economy de-incentivize having children. This will become an issue for Europeans with pensions, and the economy of these countries at large"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>feminism, atheism, urbanism, and the post-industrial economy de-incentivize having children\nThe drop occurred even in countries that lacked those lol."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwith how climate change is going africa will utterly collapse and millions will die if they ever reach the projected population. europe will be fucked, china will be fucked, the us will be fucked, but all of these - at least the us and europe - have milder, more stable and probably unfucked regions to retreat to. africa was on the brink thirty years ago. if it wasn't for technology and humanitarian aid..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing.\n\nPeople aren't very important anymore, either in terms of economic activity or military power. It doesn't matter how many billions of Africans there end up being in the future, because machines are the dominant force in the modern world, and Africa is poor in machines."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmultipolarity. global access to cheap (slave) labor\nhistory repeats..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfrica's population will go down as well, this stuff happened on other continents, why do retards start crying when it happens with Africans too."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'll go mad from squalor, and really want to find a hill to fuck off to and die on."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nPeople think Africa is the size of Europe for some reason in their heads lol."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nExcept Europe was always more populated than africa, even in pre industrial times"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA bit confused by this.\n\nEurope population : 746.4 million\nAfrica population : 1.216 billion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">He doesn’t know that “aryan” meant all white people and that the modern interpretation of the “aryan race” refers, in fact, to what was called the Nordic race, and this terminology was used by and predated the Third Reich by many decades"}, {"id": 2, "content": "By many millennia in fact"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nooooo indo-european has nothing to do with europeans and aryan was synonymous with white for no reason!!!!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>white people\nno such thing as \"white\" people"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhite people have been calling themselves white people for several millennia. What is your delusion guy?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActual Aryans were identical to Afghans and Pakis."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI can't tell if this is supposed to be a joke post."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI can tell that you are a seething whiteoid tho"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\n1. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «WHITE PEOPLE», UNLESS THAT YOU ARE FACETIOUSLY REFERRING TO ALBINOS.\n\n2. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «THE NORDIC RACE».\n\n3. THE ARYAN RACE CEASED TO BE MILLENNIA AGO; THERE ONLY SURVIVE ITS DESCENDANTS (ARYANIDS), WHO ARE ALL ARYAN MESTIZOS.\n\n4. ARYANIDS DO NOT CONSTITUTE A RACE, NOR AN ETHNICITY, BUT ARE PRESENT IN ALL ETHNICITIES.\n\n5. NORDICISTS, AND AND OTHER ETHNOTRIBAL IDENTITARIANS, ARE SUBVERTING THE IDEA OF ARYANNESS, DUE TO, BOTH, IGNORANCE, AND MALICE, AND ARE NOTHING BUT ZIONISTIC USEFUL IDIOTS: THE TERM «ARYAN RACE» DOES NOT REFER TO WHATEVER THEY CLAIM, REGARDLESS OF HOW LOUD THEY PROCLAIM, OR HOW MUCH FUNDING THEY RECEIVE FROM THEIR MASTERS OF THE RED SHIELD."}, {"id": 10, "content": "THIS was hitler's endgame"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot all of us are still male"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nNo -oid about it, I'm an actual cultured white. The problem is that there are no dates assigned to your samples, no sample sizes given, and no source given. If these samples are from last year then it's a huge \"no shit, Sherlock\" moment when you say a Pakistani that died last year resembles his neighbor.\n\nMeanwhile you have Cumans being said to have had white hair by Roman authors, blonde haired men with riding boots found in ancient Mongolia, and a literal group of self-described Aryans literally calling themselves \"the whites\"."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nBoth the date and location of the samples are mentioned (PAK= Pakistan; IA = Iron Age) in their names, these samples are from Rig Vedic period Aryans, they are contemporary to the writing of the Vedas and predate the creation of the caste system."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This man embodies every negative stereotype about French people imaginable. Fuck him."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think he was head and shoulders above any other European leader of his time period and I generally hate frogs"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Literally\n>Churchill 5’6”\n>De Gaulle 6’5”"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPure SOVL."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>gets bent over by germans like it's nothing\n>flees like a good surrendermonkey\n>cries to the Brits to save the day\n>does jackshit throughout the whole war\n>at the end of the war is reinstated by the allies\n>spends the rest of his career living off the pity of his british and american masters\n>thinks he has any power at all\nHe's a textbook example of a frenchie"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nyou forgot\n>is ungrateful cunt who does his best to pretend france saved itself"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>becomes president throughout coup\n>writes the French constitution\n>develops nuclear weapons\n>nukes some islands near Australia\n>they object, he doesn't care\n>shrugs US policy on soviet union\nYeah, I see why anglos hate him"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>*bunch of irrelevant epic reddit shit*\n>even this is just because his american and british masters allowed him to\nkek"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nFrogs are all about pettiness and appearances, he very much knew his place as the lap dog of his masters"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhat were they going to do? They objected the whole time and did nothing."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe needed to be an arrogant ass, by doing so he restored French national pride. The alternative is to be permanently buckbroken like Germany/Japan."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>oh nooo please don't do it we totally care we are not pretending\nif it was really important de gaulle would have been deposed the same day, luckily mr. White flag knew his place"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nIronically the french ended up with the worst reputation of all WW2 countries, if they can even be considered part of them"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>if they can even be considered part of them\nNah, france as a country does not exist in ww2\nCan't have a bad rep if you don't exist"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nKeep living your fantasy kido, De Gaulle didn't give a damn and did what he wanted, nor US, nor UK could stop."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThe only effect of CdG acting like a bitch is having frogkeks like you seethe on the internet over very basic facts lol"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI haven't heard anything good from you. Oh he's an American puppet, he only did things because we allowed him to, etc... I have yet to learn how could the Americans have stopped what he was doing. Keep coping kiddo."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nfrench people today have a massive inferiority complex about ww2 even when compared to germans\ngerms are just afraid they will chimp out again, frenchies feel like complete failures"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck french (I don't know the word for opposite of people) in general"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\n>flees like a good surrendermonkey\n>cries to the Brits to save the day\n\nThe same brits who fled even faster than him\nHe got lucky America saved both their ass in the end"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVGH the ancient people of France\n\nLong extinct\n\nYet the smell remains"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nThey could afford to flee and the french couldnt."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nAh yes, flee from france... where they shouldn't have been to begin with since frogs had the exact objective of stopping him"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe french always bring up Dunkirk but they always fail to mention that it was entirely their fuck up that led to it"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nWhat things did he do to realistically destabilize or challenge US supremacy that were not epic reddit absolute madman pwns?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>start a war\n>get BTFO\n>\"yeah, we shouldn't even be there anyway...\"\n\nlmao"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Get BTFO\nirony"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nThey didnt get BTFO though because hitler and göhring were incompetent retards."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>The french always bring up Dunkirk\n\nEveryone who isn't British bring up Dunkirk, and rightfully so, because the Brirtish get uppity and act like victors even though they got humiliated when they tried to fight and had to be saved by Russia and America."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nIf my dog gets in a fight with another dog I'll try help him\nIf my dog is shit and gets bent over with no effort by the better dog, not much I can do, he was supposed to look after himself"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nLol no only surrendermonkeys bring up dunkirk trying to shift the blame of their incompetence"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>Everyone who isn't British\nLooked like this\n\nUppity euros forget how meek and cucked they were"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">insntantly surrenders on their own soil\n>b-but it was le my ally's fault I am irrelevant!!!\nMan frogs are pretty pathetic aren't they"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nHow did russia save them? And dunkirk was the only major L they took."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>24\n>>29\n>>31\n>>33\nNo one (except maybe the french) deny france was pathethic in ww2\nBut lets be real, they are objectively right when they point out that britain was pathetic as well and shouldnt feel superior to anyone regarding performances in ww2\nThe whole shitshow in france + singapore was insanely humiliating for a country that larped as the world superpower"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>dunkirk was the only major L they took.\n\nYeah, mainly because it was their last attempt at challenging the Germans in Europe until Daddy America arrived 4 years later."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>shitshow in france\nWhich happened because of the french. No idea how do you expect anyone to come out of the blue and fix the whole mess they made made out of their own incompetence\n>singapore\nColonial scenario much closer to Japan and which was one Japan's main objectives, mentioning that as it meant anything is a bad joke"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nMexico only joined because the Germans allies suicide bombed their harbor lmao\n\nEither way deuchistan got fucked up by people that speak English"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nNorth Africa\nAnd what was the point of getting back in Europe? Surrendermonkey were useless and ended up supporting nazis and Britain itself was never in real danger of an amphibious attack"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>8\n>putting France on track to become the third most powerful nuclear power is irrelevant\nThat alone is basically the one reason why France still has significant weight to throw around in the diplomatic arena today."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nBecause they are allowed to by their masters to indeed have extra weight, but for their master's cause\n>third most powerful nuclear power\nlol"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>35\nBut they did successfully hold off the germans. They had a better performance in the war than anyone except the americans.\n>>36\nThey were playing to their strengths and had a major impact on the war. The only faction to challenge the germans in europe were the soviets and they were taking massive losses left and right."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\n>4 years\nAbout the length of time it took Germany to go from muh Aryan lion of Europe to being conquered\n\nPathetic"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nLook at this cowardly island-hidding briton trying to mock a badass nation that conquered Europe"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>badass nation that conquered Europe\n>foiled by 33 kilometers of water"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>that conquered Europe\nDidn't conquer Europe"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>that conquered Europe\nlooooooooool"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>that conquered Europe\n>When led by an Italian\nkek"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nHitler wasnt italian, moron"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nAnd he didn't conquer Europe"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou hate De Gaulle because he did everything right. Had he came from whatever shithole you live in, you would worship him as a national hero, but since he is french he is le bad man.\nThe only complaint I found about him on this board is \"he was ungrateful\", which is retarded when talking about a world leader."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>40\nFrance is relevant today because the UK thought it would be a good idea to have somebody around to keep an eye on the Germans for them"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>13\n>Ironically the french ended up with the worst reputation of all WW2 countries\nNah, is still denmark"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>19\n>(I don't know the word for opposite of people)\nCalifornian"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>denmark\nForgot they existed"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nPretty cool that you consider france on the level of denmark, both basically nonexistant"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\nAbsolutely. France is the lackey of Britain and De Gaulle knew this, hence why after they surrendered he went to suck anglo and american cock to get to bail them out and rode their backs until they gave france back\nAt which point he went on to be the puppet of america and britain, living off their pity\nHe very much did everything that was to be expected for that joke of a country: suck cock, know your place."}, {"id": 58, "content": "The anglo seething in here get to insane level"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nWhat do the brits have to seethe for? They are not the joke of ww2 nor did they surrender instantly"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nThe allies hated de Gaulle, they thought he was too independent minded , that's why they tried to murder him. You don't try to replace a guy who is submissive towards you.\nDe Gaulle haters are so unfathomably pathetic that they have to lie to save face."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nfrance did better than italy"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>5\nDon't forget\n>Was a huge security risk, anything the Brits told him would appear in the next mornings papers\n>That combined with the fact that he was such a catty bitch of a man lead the Brits to permanently exclude him from all planning meetings and block his access to any war related information\n>Was not involved at all in D-Day (only 177 French troops involved in the entirety of Operation Overlord, lol), but insisted on being allowed to lead the victory parade in Paris\nHe was the most useless part of the (effectively non-existent, going by the effect they had on the war) Free French forces. The French Republic's only role in the war was as Germanies co-belligerent."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Hold Rommel at Bir Hakeim\n>Break the Germans in Italy\n>Invade Germany with an entire army\nHistory sides with France as always"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nIf you're going to start bragging about shit that never happened then why not have them defeat the Mecha-Aryan on top of Hitler's volcano doom fortress?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nOh yeah they conquered Hitler's Berghof too thanks for reminding me"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>Occupied an undefended mansion\n>Of no strategic or tactical importance\n>Long after the war had been decided\nFrench troops also died to the last man defending Hitlers bunker in Berlin, long after the SS and Wehrmacht had either died/surrendered or fled. Are you proud of that? At least it actually happened."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>Undefended\nThe war was not over yet you dumb animal. With each of your post you highlight your absolute ignorance."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_collaborators_with_Nazi_Germany"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nAnd?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>7\n>>12\n>>23\n>>30\nsamefag"}, {"id": 71, "content": "He formed CRS which is good. Very farsighetd."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nKek that is fucking hilarious. How are french people not ashamed of this guy?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrench people?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">these southern European looking dudes spread into Europe raping bell beaker white women, ooga boogaing, and /pol/cel muh ancestor LARPers think they're the master race\n>Yamnaya have not written languages, accomplishments, architecture of any advanced forms of civilization\n>The first advanced civilization in Europe has the lowest concentration of Steppe admixture"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>these southern European looking dudes spread into Europe raping bell beaker white women\nwhat?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're speaking a steppe derived language"}, {"id": 4, "content": "That man is white."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>raping bell beaker white women\nBell Beakers were Indo-European you fucking tard"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHe said written language. English did not exist that far in the past."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Uh anon... bell beakers were the indoeuropeans themselves\nThe actual southern europeans were the ones that got raped\n\n\nTalking about bell beakers, a bell beaker related group, sorta, which is fatyanovo, abashevo and andronovo, the so called aryans/proto-indoiranians who were as blonde and sometimes even blonder and bluer eyed than modern scandinavians like icelandics, genocided yamnaya and wiped them out of the pontic caspian steppe."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou mean nordic eef women"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nLe nordic face"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropeans ARE the direct descendents of the people who were doing the conquering and raping. Europeans derive their language, religions and the plurality (sometimes outright majority) of their ancestry from Indo-Europeans. Non-IE ancestry is overwhelmingly found among maternal lineages, which in most historical civilisations didn't even factor into the equation. If anyone on earth can claim to be the continuity of the IE race, it's modern Europeans."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">first civilization\n>circa 3000 BC\n\nBoy you're in for a surprise."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Its either that or picrel\nNot a complicated choice"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Pictured: The \"white women\" that were raped by \"Southern European Yamnaya\""}, {"id": 14, "content": "Indo-Iranians>>>>>>those subhumans"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nProto-Indo iranians actually genocided them\nEver wondered why R1B is near extinct in eastern europe?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nalmost as if these people without writing had complex societies and government."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nyour proto indo iranian man btw"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>bronze age nothern germany is neolithic southeastern europe\nMental retardation"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nI am saying that we don't know jack shit about people without writing we know of."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nHe looks middle eastern"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">noooo you can't just go to ooga booga land, invade their.... nothing... and build heaps of stuff and run their government efficiently."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy didn't you let Nazis run your governments then? Compared to aging decrepit colonial Empires the Nazi Reich was far more modern and progressive. Clearly Europe could benefit from their rule so why resist?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis weird framing is so pointless. Like, even right-wing historians admit that colonialism was an act of self-interest.\n\nWhy do you bother with this whole 'Actually, the Empire was about how much we fucking love black people!!'\n\nYou don't convince leftists and you delude yourself.\n\nYou're pathetic."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Like, even right-wing historians admit that colonialism was an act of self-interest.\nSo? You can benefit people while acting in self-interest."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>the Nazi Reich was far more modern and progressive.\nYou mean the country that was still 40% peasant labor where owning a car or a radio was considered a luxury and the army was still using horses?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBut enough about France"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlright. I'm new to this site. Give me the alt-right pro-colonialism perspective."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIt wasn’t beneficial though. It was a project of economic extraction. The British Raj had stagnant GDP growth for 70 years and the agricultural extraction per capita had declined during the period.\n\nThe only data that supports this insanely gay position is vibes about railroads and pretty neo-classical buildings.\n\nJust admit Colonialism was done for the benefit of Europeans, not the natives. It’s not hard."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nPeople are getting tired of being told about how their ancestors killed like 5 bajillion brown people"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThis. Flew right over that idiot's head."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nYou’re about 8 years late"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThat's the alt-right opinion. I'm far right and my opinion is that I wish we were the monsters they say we are."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nIt was a mix of a lot of motivations. History is nuanced like that."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\n>You can benefit people while acting in self-interest.\nNot really possible. The thing is once things clash with your self-interest something has to give and self-interest wins out. Doesn't help that the colonial system encouraged a \"act first, think later\" approach to polices since you needed to cram as much shit in during your term so you can pad your potential resume. ."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nI'm a Brownoid and I think empires are cool"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nThats like most of Europe, but Krautmany is the more industrialized of the big 3 eurocel powers.\n\nStill though they were more modern than France, Poland, Italy, and Eastern Europe. So why didn't you let these very modern people rule over you?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nFair enough\n>>12\nAnd how does one discover this belief? Contrary, of course, to all history and human decency"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>History is nuanced like that.\nIn this case not really. If you mean nuance as in trying to expand colony borders yeah but as in the whole \"balance\" thing not really. Even colonial admins had to face settlers turning on them, demanding for more things, or acting outside of the law outside their jurisdiction and dealing with the fallout form that"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nWe abolished the slave trade, stamped out barbaric practices, kept the peace between previously warring tribes and provided sound government where people could trust the system enough to invest their money in the economy. Was it perfect? Nope, everyone makes mistakes but we did nothing worse than what they do to each other when ruled by their own kind."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>Not really possible.\nEvery trade that happens is two parties acting in their own self interest that benefits both sides."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nlol you left out a lot of things on top of the caveats in all those. Please don't be dishonest."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nI did not even bring up trade anon but on the topic of that trade was gimped in many colonies due to polices that restricted it for the population in various ways on top of how many colonies were operated as \"guaranteed markets\"."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nMotivations and actions are very different things. The Kipling-style notion that Empires were civilising missions was an ad-hoc ideology idea developed in response to increasingly liberal social views in the 19th century.\n\nIndia was conquered by the East India Company for profit. Not because they saw a massive subcontinent and felt an altruistic desire to teach them to use forks."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nWhat's so bad about white people running their government? You say they did it for self-interest, are you saying brown people don't govern in self-interest?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\n>It was a project of economic extraction\nLmao every time"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nOK answer me this. White people running their government was bad compared to what?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>you saying brown people don't govern in self-interest?\nIn thr colonial statem they really couldn't. More so as disenfranchisement policies ramped up alongside colonies coming up with ways to box in populations into neat little unchanging niches abd hierarchies"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nNo anon you left out key info from your post. You have to fess up to that."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nCompared to what bro?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nOne point made was\n>kept the peace between previously warring tribes\nYet divide and conquer was rampantky used alongside policies that targetted abd stigmatized certain groups based on certain criteria like how \"cooperative\" they were. Alongside that several colonies had explicitly enforced racial hierarchies."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nYeah, what about it anon?\n\nYou gonna reply or post a weird, unrelated wall of text again?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nAnd having white people run the government was bad compared to what?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>anglos were... Le good!\n/pol/cel mindset"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nWhat are you trying get at with \"white people run the government\"? Bad governance is bad governance."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nEvasion noted."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nNah you just want people to suck you off for merely existing"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n\"Anglojews destroyed the people trying to save the west\" is the pol mindset"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>2\n>Nazi Reich was far more modern and progressive\n>Couldn't even figure out how to build a nuclear reactor while a single Italian in Chicago did it\nLol"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>7\n>alt-right\nlol\n\nI'm not pro-colonialism because it was entirely a negative for Europeans (except for settler colonialism on uncultivated land). But it was obviously beneficial for the vast majority of natives unless they were slave owning aristocrats or something. Just compare any precolonial regime with any colonial regime and it was almost always better under the colonial regime for most of the population. At worst a colonial regime didn't improve things fast enough, like the Congo Free State letting the native cannibal mercinaries run things as they always had, or the British not ending Indian famines until the early 20th century. In other places like West Africa there was immediate improvement in basically every facet of life - people went from living under slavery, in a state of constant war or under kings who routinely sacrificed their own subjects, to at worst having to pay taxes or something. The few cases of genuinely negative colonialism like German Namibia or the Cherokees getting fucked over affected tens of thousands, while the benefits affected hundreds of millions. Actually, the benefits created hundreds of millions; half of the world's population wouldn't even exist today without the impact of colonial vaccination campaigns, suppression of tribal wars, introduction of modern agriculture, abolition of slavery and infanticide, and so on.\n\nJust do any reading on primitive or precolonial societies and this shit becomes blatantly obvious if you're even remotely honest, but most people seem to have some kind of mental conditioning which causes them to have a visceral reaction to seeing browns getting dunked on by whites while not giving the slightest shit if some African kang massacres a thousand of his subjects to appease the great juju or whatever."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nAnyone can bring up mistakes that happened over 200 years of governance. Was the rule of bongo-bongo chieftians perfect?\n\nSo let's cut to the chase. White people running the government was bad compared to what?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nlmao the sheer coping and delusion from this shit post."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>But it was obviously beneficial for the vast majority of natives unless they were slave owning aristocrats or something.\nBlack and Khoi-San South African, African Angolans, South Sudanese."}, {"id": 43, "content": "The glorious British Empire.\nhttps://youtu.be/sSnJSUU_7q0 [Embed]\n\nIf it wasn't for us you wouldn't even have a word for freedom."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nlol imagine fighting in ww1 and ww2 and then returning home only to be told that you won't be getting any potential representation or rights."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>South Sudanese\nYou mean the guys who were routinely hunted for sport by the North Sudanese until the British showed up?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nThe British didn't protect their rights compared to whom? Black rule? Brown rule?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nCan't say \"If it wasn't for us you wouldn't even have a word for freedom.\" If they had no freedom under your rule.\n\n>>45\nThat's Mali\n>British showed up?\nActually the British was pretty laissez-faire due to the need to get on some faction's good sides. On top of that South Sudan was super neglected with the only things it every really got was missionaries. Finally at the time of independence South Sudanese were barred from the political talks between Sudanese and the British government which led to South Sudan being tied to the hip of Sudan. The very people Britain sought to \"protect\" SS from, basically tossing a baby into the maw of a rabid pitbull."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>another race bait thread started with a retarded /pol/ meme\nThis board has gotten shittier than it usually has."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>If they had no freedom under your rule.\nNo freedom compared to what?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>17\nBy witnessing your lack of gratitude and overwhelming sense of entitlement."}, {"id": 51, "content": "The British colonization of Benin. Launched after the king of Benin massacred a British diplomatic mission (consisting mostly of African porters). The British entered the city after a siege and found the place filled with recent human sacrifices. The king and his chiefs fled into the forest with all of their slaves, largely depopulating the city. When the British declared that slavery was abolished, the slaves fled back to the city and accepted British rule, forcing the murderous king to surrender. Instead of being executed, the king was simply exiled, but he continued to petition the British for slaves to sacrifice. This is now regarded as one of the most heinous acts of colonial terror because the British carried off some old bronzes that were stored in a warehouse of the defeated king's palace."}, {"id": 52, "content": "What did colonialism do for Africa?\nhttps://youtu.be/tWoO-xSGCpo [Embed]"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nDoesn't matter. What they do is their concern but someone said \"If it wasn't for us you wouldn't even have a word for freedom.\" and I gave them a counter.\n\n>>52\nlol the youtube shit vids."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\n>That's Mali\nThat's everywhere south of the Sahara before colonialism.\n\n>rest of the post\nHow does any of that change the fact that the South Sudanese were literally hunted like animals until the British took over. How is being 'neglected' worse than that? In what way would they have been better off if the British hadn't shown up and they were just enslaved forever? You keep dodging this question with the other guy. In fact your whole post here seems to be in agreement with what I've said - Europeans didn't actually do anything to the South Sudanese, but you think they were evil because they didn't do enough to save them from other predatory Africans aside from ending the slave trade. The fact is there's nothing Europeans could do or not do that would affect your assessment in any way."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>7\n>Alright. I'm new to this site.\nGo back."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>That's everywhere south of the Sahara before colonialism.\nNope. It all widely varied. Some parts of Africa had slavery, other parts didn't. You posted out of context shit and are now coping for it like a total brat.\n\n>>54\n>How does any of that change the fact that the South Sudanese were literally hunted like animals until the British took over. How is being 'neglected' worse than that?\nBecause the gap between SS and Sudan widened even more and South Sudan got tied to a batshit insane regime up north that for the record has committed genocide and discrmiantion against non-Arabs. That's why.\n\n>they didn't do enough to save them from other predatory Africans aside from ending the slave trade.\nBritain still let it happen despite promising to curtail it.\n\n>The fact is there's nothing Europeans could do or not do that would affect your assessment in any way.\nThe statement was \"But it was obviously beneficial for the vast majority of natives unless they were slave owning aristocrats or something.\" I posted examples"}, {"id": 57, "content": "Colonialism and imperialism arebad... except when non-whites do it, then it's just a morally neutral event."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>except when non-whites do it, then it's just a morally neutral event.\nPeople call it out all the time."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>53\n>Doesn't matter\nReally driving home the point that you don't actually care about any of this. I really, really hate the whole 'libs are the real racists' schtick but I'm always astounded by the way you guys really do see non-whites as animals (all the more amazing when it's non-whites themselves who act like this). You're upset for the same reason that most people would be upset seeing a human beating a dog, but not a lion slowly killing a gazelle. You just don't non-whites them as moral actors with any responsibility at all."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>I'm always astounded by the way you guys really do see non-whites as animals (all the more amazing when it's non-whites themselves who act like this).\nNever said that. The guy said the British empire gave \"freedom\" (afield to define that) I called it out. Many African colonies STILL used forced labour constantly or used hut taxes. They had no political representation, many restriction on the ability to participate in the economy and had racial laws in many places.\n\n>You're upset for the same reason that most people would be upset seeing a human beating a dog, but not a lion slowly killing a gazelle. You\nAre you comparing people to dogs and gazelles? And you are saying I am dehumanizing lol.\n\n>You just don't non-whites them as moral actors with any responsibility at all.\nThis isn't about them,. This is about faulty statements. Sto ptrying to steer the convo off topic"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\n>Nope. It all widely varied. Some parts of Africa had slavery, other parts didn't.\nYou absolute fucking idiot. You stupid motherfucker.\n\n>the rest\nYou still haven't provided a single reason to believe that South Sudan was better off just being left alone for the Arabs to exterminate. Again, it just boils down to 'they didn't completely solve all problems in this region so actually all of those problems were their fault'. Although there's a truth to that, in that the South Sudanese would probably have just been completely wiped out without British rule, so I yeah I guess these problems wouldn't exist anyone without them."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>Although there's a truth to that, in that the South Sudanese would probably have just been completely wiped out without British rule\nhistorical specialization are pointless lol."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nSpeculation* Also what about South Africa. that guy isn't being up those Black and Khoi-San South Africans which is pretty curious."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nSo\n\npre-colonial South Sudan\n>had it's own potlcial entities and pwoers\n>prone to slave raids\n\ncolonial South Sudan\n>still ahd slave raids from Kahrtoum despite the slave ban\n>Anglos let slavers into psotions of power like Al-Zubayr Rahma Mansur as well as letting him mange soldiers\n>just dumped missionaries into the Southern part while north had all relative development such as all the oil going up north.\n\nindependent Sudan\n>Let Sudan keep SS and let none of the South Sudanese have say or even participate in the government. SS could have went to Uganda but that plan was scuttled\n>proceed to get fucked over, discriminated and killed. Easier to do so since South Sudan is now all tied in a bow for them.\n>had 2 civil wars before independence\n>Still a mess."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\n>>62\nIt's a complete waste of time talking to you if you can't comprehend hypotheticals. You just see the British making natives pay taxes or work on a road for marginal pay and think 'that's bad' while rejecting any attempt to consider what life would have been like without the British. I know it won't get through to you, but I'm just going to dump some pictures because really just seeing what precolonial Africa was actually like is more effective than arguing about how much political representation the natives had or some shit."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n\n>>64\nYou still haven't shown how they'd be better off without British rule, you're literally just saying the British didn't rule hard enough. And you've said speculation is pointless so it's not even possible in your mind to imagine the British doing anything different."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nHey it's the sperg who keeps on posting the exact spam pics in Africa pics in the past.\n\n>You just see the British making natives pay taxes or work on a road for marginal pay and think 'that's bad'.\nBecause a lot of those polices were badly implemented or were forced. Bad polices get criticized. Simple as that.\n\n>while rejecting any attempt to consider what life would have been like without the British.\nNigger we don't do whati-if's. This isn't an alt history masturbation site.\n\n>I'm just going to dump some pictures because really just seeing what precolonial Africa was actually like is more effective than arguing about how much political representation the natives had or some shit.\nPicture dumping is basically giving up lol. Other people have called out your spam in the past so I'm not sure how this sudden need to do it will change anything. What do you call Apartheid exactly?"}, {"id": 68, "content": "Is there a reason why whites couldn't just leave the shitskins alone in their countries?\n>inb4 they'd be in mudhuts\nWho gives a shit? Let am starve for all I care."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>you're literally just saying the British didn't rule hard enough\nThey failed to make any in-roads but that isn't the real point. The statement made was\n>But it was obviously beneficial for the vast majority of natives\nand I pointed out cases it didn't. In Eritrea the Brits gypsy stripped all the infrastructure not nailed to the floor over their tenure over the small colony so many colonial era infrastructure and transportation the Italians made was all lost."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>39\nIndia, Southeast Asia, Mesoamerica, the Andes, and well as some parts of Africa already had urbanized civilizations though\n\n>or under kings who routinely sacrificed their own subjects\n\nIDK how sacrifice worked in Africa, but that's not generally how it worked in Mesoamerica or the Andes. Even archeologically there's hard evidence showing that more rural city-states or towns like Yautepec and Cuexcomate were impacted more by the Spanish taking over then when the Aztec conquered them too.\n\nNot that the Aztec weren't conquering military expansionists, they certainly were, but the idea that they terrorized and mass-enslaved or sacrificed the people they conquered is at best overstated, and at worst almost the opposite at how their empire actually worked, which was pretty hands off, though sacrifice did absolutely happen.\n\nI guess you could"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nAlso what >>68 says.\n\nJapan also shows how shit like modernization can happen without extractive or destructive efforts by colonizers or people doing the modernizing\n\nThat all being said I really don't give a shit about trying to moralize historical shit in either direction, but if you're gonna have that conversation at least have an intellectually sound arguement"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nThere's not point talking to him. Acne he starts picture spamming there's no stopping him. He's been doing this for years anytime someone calls him out, says any minor correction or somehow triggers him."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>unknown\n\n>>67\n>we don't do whati-if's.\nThen what are you complaining about? If you can't imagine things being worse without British rule, then you can't imagine them being better either. How are you supposed to assess the things that actually happened if you're not allowed to consider the alternatives to those things happening?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>68\nBecause the truth is, I love them. Even though I despise nogs and spics with my entire being, I still love them. I don't even want full segregation but I would like more power over them. I honestly don't know what's wrong with me."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>38\nIrrelevant. In the European continent Nazi Germany was still the most advanced.\n\nSo I repeat: why didnt Europe allow these superior people to govern them?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nIt's called being a control freak.\n\n>>73\n>How are you supposed to assess the things that actually happened if you're not allowed to consider the alternatives to those things happening?\nAlt-history speculations can be pulled out of ones ass infinitely. One guy talked about \"freedom\" in the empire despite said empire having racial movement passes in it for example. I said they didn't and gave proof by calling a spade a spade no pun intended."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nAre you jewish or christian? Those are the only two things explanations I have for your mindset. I don't know why you'd even want to have to look at them."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nBecause every time I see a nigger, I'm reminded that I will always be smarter, stronger, and more successful than them."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nthat's called severe insecurity."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nNo it isn't. I am a proud American."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nI think it'd be better to be surrounded by examples of excellence both in person and immortalized in statues and art, encouraging you to be a stronger person than you were yesterday."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThat isn't enough.\nI need someone to rule over."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nTake a DNA test and see how much ashkenazim jew is in you. You sound like a creep."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nAll races crave to rule the planet. It is our duty to rule. Imagine a world controlled by pure Europeans."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>70\n>India, Southeast Asia, Mesoamerica, the Andes, and well as some parts of Africa already had urbanized civilizations though\nAn urbanized civilization isn't automatically in a position to modernize. India probably had the most potential but there's no reason to sustect they'd be better off than the likes of Nepal without colonialism, whatever Indian nationalists like to claim. Southeast Asia was as much a slave economy as Africa, although they had better institutions and higher literacy. Mesoamerica and the Andes are different cases but they were basically doomed to be hit by old world diseases. And African civilizations were the worst things that ever existed.\n\n>IDK how sacrifice worked in Africa\nA recurring pattern is that when a king died, his followers would be allowed to run rampage killing random people they encountered in the streets. Wives and slaves were sacrificed to be buried with their masters and mass sacrifices of slaves and captives in rituals were frequent.\n\n>>71\n>Japan also shows how shit like modernization can happen without extractive or destructive efforts by colonizers or people doing the modernizing\nOh, suddenly 'what ifs' are allowed. Fucking dishonest. And no, what Japan shows is that the most urbanised and literate country outside of Europe with an advanced wage economy was in a better position to modernize than societies where half the population were slaves and nobody had ever heard of the wheel. Madagascar literally tried the same thing as Japan half a century earlier and it was a complete failure because they relied entirely on slave and unrenumerated forced labour and they just ended up running the country into the ground. They also had a queen who expelled all the European missionaries and killed half the population by forcing everyone to undergo trial by poison to test if they were witches."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>Imagine a world controlled by pure Europeans\nWorld War 7! Coming to a theatre near you!"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nEuropeans should take to the stars and take nobody else with them. Wanting to tyrannize brown people is both weird and harmful for your people when empathy and desire to fuck slaves takes over."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\n>Oh, suddenly 'what ifs' are allowed\ndumabss he isn't me.\n\n>Madagascar literally tried the same thing as Japan half a century earlier and it was a complete failure because they relied entirely on slave and unrenumerated forced labour and they just ended up running the country into the ground\nYou left out a key par. That kingdom was surrounded by military rivals on all sides. How can you leave that out?\n\n>And no, what Japan shows is that the most urbanised and literate country outside of Europe with an advanced wage economy was in a better position to modernize than societies where half the population were slaves and nobody had ever heard of the wheel.\nJapan was actually in a good spot due to it's proximity to China and not getting fucked by an influx of certain powers."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>85\n>Mesoamerica and the Andes are different cases but they were basically doomed to be hit by old world diseases\nThey didn't even have writing anon."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>85\n>A recurring pattern is that when a king died, his followers would be allowed to run rampage killing random people they encountered in the streets. Wives and slaves were sacrificed to be buried with their masters and mass sacrifices of slaves and captives in rituals were frequent.\nSo what about Ethiopia, Kongo or Egypt then? Why only point out certain West African cases as indicative as the whole? Hell even the several states that did have kings sacrifice slaves did so as a result of the market shift into over-reliance on slavery that also had a knock-on effect into some other things."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>84\nThat's basically what it comes down to. Someone must govern. If not the white man then who?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>someone must govern non-whites\nNope"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>Someone must govern. If not the white man then who?\nYou'll need to stop feeling that others have to micro-manage others on your behalf."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nWe can't just hide in a little corner of the world and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist. The white race needs empires and we need to leverage power."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>88\n>That kingdom was surrounded by military rivals on all sides. How can you leave that out?\nMilitary rivals consisting of tribemen who they dominated and constantly enslaved with their modernized army.\n\n>Japan was actually in a good spot due to it's proximity to China\nYes, Japan had been influenced by Chinese civilization for thousands of years and by the early modern period was highly literate and urbanized, so they were capable of fending for themselves and adopting a modern industrial economy. African slave economies that didn't even have wage labour were not and would never have had Japan's success.\n\n>>89\nI mean some of them did, but they were still literally thousands of years behind the likes of Europe and East Asia. It's a lot harder to speculate about how they'd have done without colonialism because their colonisation was so much longer ago.\n\n>>90\n>Ethiopia, Kongo or Egypt\nI didn't say that all Africans commited mass sacrifice, of course Muslims and Christians didn't, but everywhere was backward in one way or another.\n\nEthiopia on the verge of 'colonization' in the 30s still had a massive slave population despite promising to abolish it, basically no infrastructure outside of the capital and a completely illiterate population of peasant serfs. The Italians for all their brutality were the first people to actually unify the country in such a way that it could be centrally governed because they built roads and rails and new towns all over the country. They actually managed to abolish slavery and pretty much all the post-colonial development relied on their infrastructure.\n\n>even the several states that did have kings sacrifice slaves did so as a result of the market shift into over-reliance on slavery\nMass sacrifice is attested archaeologically pre-1500 and some of the worst sacrifices were in Uganda, which was barely involved in the slave trade until the very end of the 19th century."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\nAre you some fucking \"alt right\" chatbot or something? Nobody white who dissents from the current world order thinks like that. You sound like a libshart pretending to be a white nationalist using south park cutaways as a reference or something."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nCould've just killed them and took the land for yourselves. If the entire world was white then there'd be no more racial hatred and we could all get along for once."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>89\n>They didn't even have writing\nIs this bait?"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\n>Military rivals consisting of tribemen who they dominated and constantly enslaved with their modernized army.\nThe French was actually backing up one side they were close with.\n\n>African slave economies that didn't even have wage labour were not and would never have had Japan's success.\nSevern actually did have wage economies even with slavery such as Eastern Africa. Japan also had the bonus of being an isolated island in a trade rich area.\n\n>Yes, Japan had been influenced by Chinese civilization for thousands of years and by the early modern period was highly literate and urbanized,\nand still maintained \"barbaric\" practices. Samurai cut people down at will and Japan had MASSIVE internal wars and even modernized STILL kept it's war happy practices.\n\n>I mean some of them did, but they were still literally thousands of years behind the likes of Europe and East Asia\nCompared to the time of first discovery? Still hard to define since many things are up in the air for many more urbanized areas in Mesoamerica.\n\n>of course Muslims and Christians didn't, but everywhere was backward in one way or another.\nNigger EVERRYONE was backwards back then in the world. People brewed mummies for medicine.\n\n>Ethiopia on the verge of 'colonization' in the 30s still had a massive slave population despite promising to abolish it\n\n>a completely illiterate population of peasant serfs\nSo like a ton of states at the time? Have you seen how illiterate some parts of Europe were?\n\n>They actually managed to abolish slavery and pretty much all the post-colonial development relied on their infrastructure.\nThey did not. They still used forced labour in their colonies and in Somalia they \"freed\" Bantu Somali's. Then proceeded to force Bantu's to work on their farms like slaves so from one fire into another."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>95\n>Mass sacrifice is attested archaeologically pre-1500 and some of the worst sacrifices were in Uganda, which was barely involved in the slave trade until the very end of the 19th century.\nYou sure about Uganda being one of the worst?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>4\nThat's not the question and in fact you're begging it. Every single empire has provided stability and order compared to the previous ooga booga state of affairs at some point. Europeans building efficient infrastructure to keep a colony running doesn't change the fact that it was ultimately to enrich themselves (like everyone else in history)."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\n>Every single empire has provided stability and order compared to the previous ooga booga state of affairs at some point\nKinda. Some provided stability in some way or another based on how one saw it, HK only existed due to how it was obtained and it's niche requiring stability. Others tended to make it rocky because grouping several random groups under one state led to tense dynamics such as Nigeria consisting of 3 colonies smushed into one and having to balance between them/play them off each other based on the colony in question. Some didn't need even stability or order because they either operated as needed regardless or you can beat the people making a ruckus/rebellion until they stop and beat them in the war of attrition."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis but unironically."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>75\nShe's so cute bros."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>85\n>but they were basically doomed to be hit by old world diseases\n\nDoomed to be hit by old world diseases and doomed to be decimated are two different assertions. I agree with the former, I'm unconvinced of the latter.\n\nThe 90%-95% population collapse you see in Mesoamerica occuries over a roughly 80 year time span across 3 major epidemics, alongside warring and political instability and other exacerbating factors. I think had Spain not gone as balls deep with direct colonialism and stuck to simply trading, or had expeditons inland been more limited and gradual, then there could have been pathogen exchange and resistance without as catastrophic an impact.\n\nStudies like https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110519091637.htm shows that in the Andes at least, populations bounced back from smallpox, it was repeated epidemics and the impact of colonial actions that beat it back down over and over and then prevented long term recovery.\n\nBut I also admit it's hard to know for sure.\n\n>Oh, suddenly 'what ifs' are allowed. Fucking dishonest.\n\nMaybe I simply misunderstood the point being raised claimed, and if so I apolgize, but isn't your entire position arguing that colonialism was morally justified predicated on that it was the only way to achieve the modernization it entailed?\n\nIf you're simply claiming colionalism DID result in modernization, not that it was justified, then sure, but it came off as moral justification and not simply factual observations. And frankly I'm sort of unconvinced that Mesoamerica and the Andes were really \"modernized\" much anyways. The main things they got out of it were access to old world crops/domesticated animals and I guess easier access to metal tools, but I don't think quality of life really measurably improved for your average commoner/that they were really thousands of years behind in most metrics re: >>95\n\n>>89\nMesoamerica is literally one of only 3 places globally that indepedently invented true writing"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\n>Mesoamerica is literally one of only 3 places globally that indepedently invented true writing\nYeah I got that wrong."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>Maybe I simply misunderstood the point being raised claimed, and if so I apolgize, but isn't your entire position arguing that colonialism was morally justified predicated on that it was the only way to achieve the modernization it entailed?\nI mistook you for the other guy who was saying you can't try to imagine if like would be worse without colonialism because that's 'speculation'. My position isn't that this or that was justified - many colonists were monsters - it's simply that European rule was in most times and places a vast improvement over previous regimes, and in the cases where it wasn't it was usually no worse than what came before - the worst thing that can often be said about them is they failed to improve things fast enough, or continued to use stuff like forced labour. Most of precolonial Africa in particular was just unbelievably bad and even the most negligent colonial regimes were an improvement over endless slave raiding, sacrifices, infanticide and whatever other customs existed. In the worst case of the Congo Free State, Europeans profited from the preexisting cannibal warlord system (not hyperbole) that the Swahili traders had set up, but this ended when other Europeans found out what was going on and shut it down. Genuine cases of colonialism fitting the popular image of Europeans just showing up and ruining everything or killing everyone are pretty rare considering we're talking about half the planet being conquered.\n\nAs for Mesoamerica, the first century of colonial rule was a disaster due to both disease and harsh rule, but I would say Mexico emerged as an improved society. Sacrifices stopped, wars were no longer endemic, arranged child marriage was replaced by consensual Christian marriage between late teens and adults (nearly every non-European society practiced child marriage, by which I mean young girls married off to men, but the Aztecs were particularly bad). Don't know about the Andes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is a good book for learning about the Middle Ages? Particularly concerning France, England, and the Holy Roman Empire. If it has to be a particularly time period, I'd say late middle ages."}, {"id": 2, "content": "This is a good introduction. The last two volumes of the New Cambridge Medieval History cover the same period in more depth."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Read first hand sources only. Skip post-modernists completely. They're not interested in representation."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInheritance of Rome and Medieval Europe"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThank you, I'll check these two out. The former seems to cover the era I'm most interested in.\n>>3\nI'll use first hand sources as supplementary, but part of what makes history fun for me is a good narrator telling the story, part of why I can't stand lots of drab Youtube documentaries. I came here and specifically asked for a \"good\" book because I know 4chan is more likely to avoid modern revisionism than some other listicle on a website.\n>>4\nThis may be a good book to read for some background information, very early middle ages."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Rome fell because the sacred fire of Vesta was permanently extinguished. Change my mind."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I can't"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir sacred fire of Vesta was extinguished by State Christianity long before the fall of Rome."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat WAS the fall"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Christianity destroyed Rome\nAyyup"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nExcept, you know, the Eastern Roman Empire."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNot Roman.\nDidn't even control Rome"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Except, you know, the Eastern Roman Empire.\nlol literally only survived multiple decapitation attempts because it had the best fortified location ever\n>naval superiority required on both sides\n>black sea to make it impossible for ships to stay still"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe ERE was the Eastern half of the empire when it was still one entity, it's therefore Roman. Otherwise how do you explain the Tetrarchy? Was only the part that controlled Rome still Roman?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nOk? And? Does its geographical advantages negate its accomplishments?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo it failed to recover territory and even after the initial losses proceeded to get beaten for centuries by slavs and turks that gradually reduced it to a city state. Great going there."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>So it failed to recover territory\nIt literally took back the Italian peninsula at one point.\n>and even after the initial losses proceeded to get beaten for centuries by slavs and turks that gradually reduced it to a city state.\nAnd managed to survive against impossible odds, what even is your problem here? Do you have some personal grudge against the ERE? Do you just hate Greeks or something? Every person that criticizes the ERE like you always comes weirdly off as having some axe to grind agains it for some reason."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">helps the Jews escape Egypt\n>helps Saturn (YHWH) usurp the gods\n>proceeds to rebel against Saturn\nWhat the fuck was his problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is it whenever Pagan losers try to discredit Christianity (this is your God, showing that cave painting, saying that he's an evil jealous primal God) they just make him sound cooler? Why yes, I'd like to praise a God that is omnipotent, powerful, commands genocide, and resembles a bronze age war deity. Why no, I don't want to praise literal gay pagan gods who take femboys to fuck."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Christianity\nNobody brought up Ra-Helios, get with the program."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike Nergal and Tezcatlipoca, some Gods do just a little trolling"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nY\" isn't saturn"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nchildish edgelord"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>1 (OP)\nwhat do you think of the identification of Jesus with Shezmu? Do you think the archetype had an influence on the Jesus myth?\nhttps://odysee.com/@CJBbooks.com:8/Shezmu_720:c"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nTechnically no he isn't, he is an fusion of El (Saturn, or at least Saturnian), YHWH, and Ba'al.\n>>7\nChrist isn't identified with any of the gods of substance."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Why yes, I'd like to praise a God that is omnipotent, powerful, commands genocide, and resembles a bronze age war deity\nThese are the people who will turn around and call you edgy and immature."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nEl is only Saturn in Canaanite polytheism"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYHWH isn't Saturn.\nNot even close."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Saturn is YHWH is HUBAL DA MOON GOD\ni love this board"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Saturn (YHWH)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iah"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHm"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">while spiderman wasnt a superhuman that could shoot web from his fingers\n>we can conclude that Peter Parker was probably a real person who fought crime in New York in the 50s"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nterrible analogy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m skeptical if a single Jesus as we know him existed, but this is a retarded analogy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>noooo you can't just make up a story about someone who isn't real because...well...you just can't ok?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe in Jesus and Spider-Man. AMA"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Was Alexander the Great real?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would Portugal be better off if it remained a Brazilian colony?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ooga Booga! Where the Med women at?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey look too old, most of them would be 15-20 year olds not some 40+ hunks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>15 year olds\n>having any meaningful sense of combat/battlefield experience to survive\n\nAnother American thinking moment, brought to you by television"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nno they wouldnt"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nwrong, those are typical celtic teenagers, they would be absolutely jacked"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIt's the moustaches, it makes them look older than they actually are."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nMost of them where? That’s a picture with no context applied to it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty sure people weren't that muscular\n\nWarriors need to be lean, not look like fucking bodybuilders"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe meeting of the byeahs"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIts homoerotic fantasy, dumbass."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There is no turning back, once touched by Muslim corruption, the disease spreaded through the them like AIDS and its sequelae are forever lasting, like leprosy. They are the lepers of Europe, eternally corrupted, wretched and deformed by the Muslims.\nA minute of silence for them, for what could have been but died prematurely."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russia, Ukraine\n>Not red\nI see you boleslaw from belgorod."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSimilarly\n>Hungary not red\nI see you too bozgor."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s brown skin not islam"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam barely had a hold over Sicily let alone the Lombard Principalities and Byzantine outposts such as Bari in Southern Italy and it took around a century just to solidify their position in Sicily. Maniakes almost effortlessly forced them out before being recalled back to Constantinople for political bullshit. One of the reasons he didn't get along with certain segments of his troops was because he didn't allow them to sack the Greek cities he was liberating. Transylvania was also practically independent to an extent. The Danubian Principalities were more so tax farms than Musilim colonies, as well. Also, the Ummayads never had a real hold over Northwestern Spain."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Islam barely had a hold over Sicily\nIt took centuries to deislamize an dearabize the sicilians"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Islam barely had a hold over Sicil\nThe Christian kingdom of Sicily was still fielding muslim troops from Sicily centuries after the Christian reconquest."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey should learn from israel and treat muslims like the plague they are"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOttoman rule has distilled an intense(and warranted) distrust in any form of governance and you feel that even to this day. Greece atleast dodged the commie bullet the rest of the balkans took."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come the countries that were on one side in world war one mostly would also be together on the same side again in world war two?\n>Germany, Bulgaria, Austria, Hungary\n>USA, UK, France, Russia\nI know there are some exceptions like Japan."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nGee, its almost as if the losers were unhappy with the post-war world order while the victors wanted to preserve it.\n\nI wonder if that has ever happened in history before. What a mindblowing correlation you got OP."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThere's no need to be a smart alec desu."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nAlso, USSR was more on the side with the Axis in the initial stage of the war, and like Germany, tried to recapture territory Imperial Russia had been stripped after ww1."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n\nIt was a question you could easily have answered yourself.\nThe real question of the topic is why did nations like Italy, Romania and Japan, all victors of ww1, join the Axis.\n\nAltough we already know the answer, it would be a more interesting debate since Italy did not necessarily need to turn to fascism, and Romania could have honored their defence pact with Czechoslovakia."}, {"id": 6, "content": "The countries of the world were divided into haves and have not. The haves had large colonial empires where the population of subject peoples equaled or exceeded the population share of the dominant ethnic group. These nations were not motivated to expand their territory because they were already overextended.\nThe expansionist powers were the have nots. They had no colonial empires. Their territory was smaller and mostly contained members of their dominant ethnic group. Having monoethnic societies meant they could afford to expand their territory without making the dominant group into a minority. Having monoethnic societies also meant their soldiers had sufficient morale and cohesion to mount offensive operations.\nThe haves were Britain, France, Russia and the United States.\nThe have nots were Germany, Italy and Japan.\nAustria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire and China were sort of in between.\nThe first and second world wars had similar alliances because the division between haves and have not did not change between the wars."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nPretty much. The war was pretty much between countries with raw materials and gold (the international unit of exchange to carry out foreign trade) and those without it (who were trying to create a new gold-free international barter system of trade)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWWII was the sequel to WWI. WWI issues weren't resolved and Germany was made bankrupt by horrendous\"reparations\" to France and other countries because they didn't listen to Wilson."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "> The Final Boss of Debate"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nA hack that makes a ton of money off of low-IQ fedora tippers who worship him"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nJean Reno"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "its over"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis guy is literally an anglo american living in poland"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2 types of polish males\n1. eTwink\n2. Potato head skinhead mogger"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nyou are getting close to the truth"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know what the fuck is Poland, but I know, there's live funny spinning cow"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are these guys so controversial?\nIt's hard to talk about them because things get political real quick and there are so many conspiracies I don't even know what's real anymore"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey worshipped a symbol called Baphomet which, contrary to what most Christians believe, is not a demon. It's a symbol of the Highest God which, by virtue of preceding / instructing manifestation, encapsulates all polarities simultaneously (male & female, human & beast, light & dark, etc.)\n\nThey weren't worshipping evil, which I'm sure some Christians will argue ITT. They also weren't \"Pagans\" - they just had a clearer understanding of God, rooted in mysticism, than the proles ever could.\n\nThe symbol of Baphomet means the same thing as pic related."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHere you can see how Baphomet encapsulates the union of apparent opposites, as Divinity must necessarily by virtue of creating this reality in the first place. I'm so sick of Christians and \"Satanists\" arguing it's some kind of Satanic image. It was never intended to be"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nBaphomet was just a Teraphim, squizo."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Teraphim (Hebrew: תְּרָף tərāf; plural: Hebrew: תְּרָפִים tərāfīm) is a Hebrew word from the Bible, found only in the plural, of uncertain etymology. Despite being plural, Teraphim may refer to singular objects, using the Hebrew plural of excellence. The word Teraphim is explained in classical rabbinical literature as meaning disgraceful things (dismissed by modern etymologists), and in many English translations of the Bible it is translated as idols, or household god(s) although its exact meaning is more specific than this, but unknown precisely\n\n>According to Genesis 31, Rachel takes the teraphim belonging to her father Laban when her husband Jacob escapes. She hides them in a saddle bag and sits on them when Laban comes looking for them, and claims that she cannot get up because she is menstruating. From this it can be deduced that they were small, perhaps 30–35 cm (12–14 in). Her exact motive in doing so is subject to controversy amongst the commentators: Some argue she took the teraphim in order for her father to not have idolatrous paraphernalia, while others explain that she wanted to use them herself. Others say it was at the direction of her husband Jacob"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Josephus mentions that there was a custom of carrying housegods on journeys to foreign lands, and it is thus possible that the use of teraphim continued in popular culture well into the Hellenistic period and possibly beyond\n\n>According to Targum Pseudo-Jonathan, Teraphim were made from the heads of slaughtered first-born male adult humans. The heads were shaved, salted, spiced, with a golden plate placed under the tongue, and magic words engraved upon the plate. It was believed that the Teraphim, mounted on the wall, would talk to people. Similar explanations are cited in the writings of Eleazar of Worms and Tobiah ben Eliezer\n\n>During the excavation of Jericho by Kathleen Kenyon, evidence of the use of plastered human skulls as cult objects was uncovered, lending credence to the rabbinical conjecture. The implied size and the fact that Michal could pretend that one was David, has led to the rabbinical conjecture that they were heads, possibly mummified human heads"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nBaphomet is a French corruption of Mahomet (Muhammad)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>5\nChristians definitely condemned the Templars for idolatry, ignoring the fact they're already worshipping the symbol of a cross / fish (depending on time period)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>\"A head of a man with a great beard, a head they kissed and worshiped in all their provincial chapters, but this not all the brothers knew, except only the Grand Master and the ancients.\" — instructions from Philip to his seneschals. During the trial of the Templars in 1307 Brother Jean Taillefer de Genay gave testimony. He \"was received into the order at Mormant, one of the three perceptorias under the jurisdiction of the Grand Priory of Champagne at Voulaine. He said that at his initiation 'an idol representing a human face' was placed on the altar before him\n\n>Hughes de Bure, another Burgundian from a daughter-house of Voulaine, described how the 'head' was taken from a tray in the chapel, and which appeared to him to be of gold or silver, and to represent the head of a man with a long beard. Brother Pierre d'Arbley suspected that the 'idol' had two faces, and his relative Guillaume d'Arbley ensured that the 'idol' itself, unlike other copies, was displayed in general chapters, implying that it was only shown to senior members of the order on special occasions.\" \"The treasurer of the Paris temple, Jean de Turn, spoke of a head painted in the form of a portrait, which he had worshiped in one of these chapters.\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>According to the most consistent testimony, the idol was: \"…about the natural size of a man's head, with a very fierce-looking face, and a beard.\" – Testimony by Jean Tallefer\n\n>INQUISITOR: Now tell us about the head\n>BROTHER RAOUL: Well, the head. I saw in seven chapters presided over by Brother Hugh de Peraud and others\n>INQUISITOR: What did you have to do to worship (the head)?\n>BROTHER RAOUL: Well, it was like that. (The head) was introduced, and everyone fell down, took off their hoods, and worshiped (the head)\n>INQUISITOR: What was (your) face like?\n>BROTHER RAOUL: Terrible. It seemed to me to be the face of a demon, of a \"maufet\" [evil spirit]. Every time I saw (the head), I was so terrified that I could hardly look at (the head), trembling in all my limbs (taken from M. Michelet, Trial of the Templars)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are these guys so controversial?\nHow so? They are a long extinct organization that defended Jerusalem from the saracens. Purged under false accusations by a king and a pope.\n>It's hard to talk about them because things get political real quick and there are so many conspiracies I don't even know what's real anymore\nDo you really believe in all those national treasure stories? or them finding and protecting the holy grail? or the assasins creed bullshit?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the Ottoman empire was middle eastern in nature, why were actual middle easterners so underrepresented in positions of power?\nbesides the grand viziers, same can be said about the distribution of pashas, like egypt and the levant being ruled by albanians/Circassians while iraq and algeria being ruled by georgians"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was Persianate and also turkey is in the middle east. And they are very well represented.\nIt doesn't stop being Muslim and from the middle east just because it's not ruled by arabs."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Who were the Neapolitan viziers?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCığalazade Yusuf Sinan Pasha and Hekimoğlu Ali Pasha"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI wonder this too.\nProbably some barbary pirates in Algeria from Venice or some such."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I read that because Ottoman royalty considered themselves European or at least that's what the young turks said"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Ottomans expanded into the Balkans before they even conquered Anatolia. It was their core territory. The Ottomans conquered the Middle East 200 years after they started"}, {"id": 8, "content": "If only there was a pattern of steppe-related ruling classes all over the pre historic world that largely maintained itself into recent times, it would be a solid explainer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "the Jews have an entire day of mourning to commemorate the translation of the Septuagint (among other things I wont go into here)\n\n>tenth of Tevet\n\nnow to me this seems like a very serious disconnect from the Judaism of the 2nd Temple period, when the Septuagint was very well respected and used frequently by Jews of various stripes and locales, as if their legacy has been abandoned or even willfully besmirched\n\nso why the sudden shift from deep respect for the text and widespread utilization to outright kvetching and moaning over it, to this very day?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Tenth of Tevet is actually not a day of mourning specifically for the translation of the Septuagint, its a fast day that commemorates the beginning of the siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 588 BCE, which ultimately led to the destruction of the First Temple.\n\nThe septuagnit was produced in the 3rd century BCE, long before the destruction of the Temple."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt least you admit it's a cosmic suicide cult"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis image is funny to me. 1 kek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hi, Imagine what kind of states there may be and what kind of internal and external policies they may have, good luck. You can also come up with a story."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>>/tg/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is this a map of?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nhttps://donjon.bin.sh/world/"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nA world"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Instead of just vague stuff that He knows humans will find other explanations for."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen the test will lose its point. No one commits a crime when they see a police officer right in front of them. What matters is how you act when you think no one is watching."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat point?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>humans will find other explanations for\nYou answered yourself. The problem isn't the clarity of the evidence it's the sinfulness of the men. As long as man is in sin he will always be in enmity with God, no evidence will ever change that because the problem is spiritual."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nTo give people an opportunity to live a moral life so they can be rewarded in heaven."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAnd that's the only reason to be moral, just to be rewarded for it with a sick afterparty?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nLoyalty is its own reward"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNo, being moral is the right thing to do. But there will also be reward for the good and punishment for the wicked because God is a God of justice."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>But there will also be reward for the good and punishment for the wicked because God is a God of justice.\n\nThat doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Moral behavior should be its own reward, as not killing someone demonstrably causes less harm than killing someone does. If you need a reward for that, I'm afraid there's something horrendously wrong with you"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI'm sure you don't need any rewards to be moral because you're just a great person, no doubt. But not everyone is as saintly as you. Do you also believe evil people face no punishment? That the good and the evil have the same fate in the end?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame reason why Santa, the Easter bunny and Superman dont leave definitive clues of their existence. It's just organisations telling you they exist for their own benefit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>I'm sure you don't need any rewards to be moral because you're just a great person, no doubt. But not everyone is as saintly as you.\nWhat the actual fuck is wrong with you? Did your parents have to train you with treats like a dog? Are you even human?\n>Do you also believe evil people face no punishment? That the good and the evil have the same fate in the end?\nYeah, no shit. That's why moral behaviour is admirable."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>No one commits a crime when they see a police officer right in front of them.\nHave you SEEN black people?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nDidn't God already decide who gets in since creation?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod created you incels to laugh at. Not to talk with. Lmao."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\neverything around you is evidence of gods existence, human beings believe that because we can understand how something is we understand why it is. \"oh why is the sun at the perfect distance from the earth for life to thrive? It must be because it just happened to be that way instead of some force designing it that way\""}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nChristianity is the 4chan incel religion 100%. No one buys the lie that you’re all married with 4 kids lmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How unique or not is the overall concept of hell within the Christian religion compared to religions throughout history? It just seems like a super resentful thing cooked up by asshole priests purely as a fear tactic to make people fall in line and to have an outlet for their nerd rage against those who wronged them or something. I get the impression that most religions and beliefs usually followed along the lines of\n>have pantheon of gods\n>gods represent forces of nature and emotions that have a direct influence on the world\n>focus is on the \"real\" world and not on some other world like a heaven or hell\n>if a \"heaven\" exists in the belief, it's usually reserved for heroic figures like warriors who have to prove themselves in battle\n>those who fail either get thrown back into the world reincarnation style or do some shit in a hades \"underworld\" esque place\n\nJudaism and Christianity seem to deviate from that by a lot. Would love to see discussion about this and anon's knowledge dumping about this shit because I'm not that informed."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHell exists in all religions. Dumbass. Hellenic Paganism literally has hell"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We don't need a God to tell us what is wrong, and we don't need the threat of hell to make us do what is right. Christianity has never been more irrelevant than it is today."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck you, you fucking lgbtzxyopblmpidor ass hole. Kill yourself"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why are Epis like this? I thought they were supposed to be Catholicy and reverent."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The christcuck church is the last bastion against degen....."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThose aren't Christians."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat gender requires you to have an eyepatch?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nCope, yes they are."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nSure they're not. \"True\" cucktianity just so happens to agree with all your modern political biases right?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I could have fixed her."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhysterectomist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nanswered."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I bet Dirk is really tall and lean and with medium-length wavy hair that falls in front of his face and with cute glasses. I imagine he wears little turtlenecks and sits in front of the fire reading his copy of Institutes in one hand and a glass of brandy in the other. I imagine he sits alone in church because he’s shy around girls even tho he’s super handsome and smart. I wonder what his interests are besides theology and religion. I bet he reads deep novels and goes for morning walks in the mist contemplating life. Imagine waking up do Dirk every morning, and he says to you “wake up sleepyhead,” while giving a Reformed smirk."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI bet that Dirk is the product of anal sex."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">You come home\n>Walk into you bedroom\n>It’s Dirk\n>He’s tied up to the bed, completely nude, with a rose in his mouth\n>he stares you in the eye, gives you the Reformed smirk\n>H-here I am, anon.\nWhat do?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "who the fuck is dirk"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCreator of the patented Reformed smirk."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Is Dirk allowed to marry me? I’m Episcopalian bio girl."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nI force him to look at google ngram graphs"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nwhat is a bio girl?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nA name fag and member of the Congregationalist faction of Protestantism. He usually defends the Bible and it’s doctrines in increasingly convoluted ways."}, {"id": 10, "content": "new /his/ lore just dropped"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nHow did he tie himself up?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nAlso the joke I assume, with this thread is that dirk is extremely homophobic and outright stated that he would be excommunicated from his church rather than preach equality of same sex couples."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI’m pretty sure these anons are just ERPing as horny fangirls."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Would you swallow Dirk’s log of shit?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThis is an actual photo of Dirk which he posted. His shit is likely very smelly as iirc he eats only Old Testament approved food (ie no shell fish)."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHe denies that that’s him."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nHe denied it once after the fact."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nNice try Dirk hater, but its a known fact that pic related is how Dirk factually looks."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nthis"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were citizens of late Rome sick of their empire too and want it to collapse?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes. In the eastern side the majority was christian but deemed heretic by the cronies assembled by emperors to hijack their religion. in the west the majority was still pagan and was bewildered by 'their' state cannibalizing itself for a foreign faith."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I would assume they were tired of all the political bullshit and ineptitude they were witnessing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Be white\n>Worship Jewsus\n>insist you're not cuckolded.\n\nI don't know why people get so upset and ashamed about cuckoldry. The whites have been a cuckolded race for 2,000 years running now."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>entire world got mogged by a race of cuckholds.\nUhhh..."}, {"id": 3, "content": "God doesnt have a race idiot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>entire world\nlol euros only conquered extremely backwards savages in the americas africa and australia, they couldn't even kick ottomans out of europe or conquer the middle east, china, or japan"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njesus is a cool guy though"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>What is sikes picot\n>what is the century of humilliation\nLawls lmao browns keep losing and coping."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>they couldn't even kick ottomans out of europe\nEuropeans defeated the Ottomans many times, though\n>or conquer the middle east\nThe British and French did, though\n>china\nWhy would they need to conquer it? They did win some wars against them though\n>or japan\nRussians and European Americans raped Japan in WW2, though"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nRussians barely did anything to Japan in ww2. When did the \"le soviets were the true reason japan lost\" meme start? America defeated them, America cut them off from their remaining overseas positions, America nuked them. Even if they hadn't surrendered, only America had the expeditionary capability to invade them and it would've been American boots crushing Japan's emaciated throat"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Very high quality thread. Won't be deleted because trannyjannies share his religion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The discerning /his/torical viewer may have noted that, ever since the 1970s in the West, Line Go Down. This is true for practically everything: Social cohesion, wages, mental illness, etc: Since the 70s, Line Go Down.\n\nNow the question this naturally raise, of course, is why. This is a systemic anomaly throughout both the US and EU. What happened to mindbreak the West in the 70s? And why are they seemingly beginning to recover?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGoldstandard death"}, {"id": 3, "content": "in mexico it was populism and then the oil crises"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Boomers entering workforce vs boomers dying off to everyone else's relief"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame reason why line go up in Hitler's reich. Currency was backed by the nation's labor, central bank is kept out of the loop, the bank is not taking a cut while adding no value to the transaction. Also fuck debt and usury.\n\nLine go down since 1971 because of fiat currency devaluation. Poor people get mad and hungry. More EBT and circuses."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThis is probably the most compelling argument in my mind, but I don’t think fiat banking is necessarily a bad thing. It’s just that fiat banking needs to be constitutionally, primarily beholden to the interests of the common citizen and their basic consumable needs, in my opinion.\n\nAs it stands, the system was basically hijacked by lobbies from the start in most Western countries."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's bullshit and the leftist source for this claim was debunked. Wages have more than doubled since the 1970s."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nProofs?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nhttps://fee.org/articles/dispelling-the-myth-that-wages-have-been-stagnant-for-decades/"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn specifically the US? It wasn’t just one factor but a multitude of crises compounded:\n\n>1. Offshoring really started in the early 70’s which lead to large amounts of unemployed factory workers and the beginning of the end for cities like Detroit. This lead to increased uncertainty as many working class factory workers became anxious over impending layoffs. This had the effect of driving down the price floor for labor and union membership as workers became more desperate to keep their jobs.\n\n>2. OPEC embargo really highlighted how dependent the US had become on imported foreign oil as well as forced it into peacetime fuel rationing which affected every aspect of the economy. Even when the economy “recovered” financially people still had a mindset that things were declining economically as a result of the temporarily lowered living standards and more uncertainty.\n\n>4. Eastern economies like Japan and Taiwan were starting to outcompete the West in producing luxury electronics like cars and TV’s which dealt a big blow to Western dominance and fueled the aforementioned layoffs.\n\n>4. Political turmoil due to Nixon impeachment and advance of Communism in Asia, Africa, and Latin American which made the US appear divided and weak to onlookers.\n\n>5. The Civil Rights movement sputtered out and the more radical factions like the Black Panthers formed the bases for black organized crime that was further fueled by the layoffs of blacks in the low skill industries they dominated. The subsequent crime wave drove white flight out of the cities and into the suburbs.\n\n>6. Institutions like prisons and mental institutions were the first things to be defunded as a weaker economy meant less tax revenue to go around. This fueled the crime wave as criminals and mental defectives were let loose onto the streets of poorly policed and anarchic cities."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>>9\n\n>wages have doubled while inflation has quadrupled\n>Ignore your lying eyes and ears or you’re a Soviet communist!\n\nEconomic libertarians have brain worms"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWell yes, lots of Line seemed to have Gone Down all at once. This is what makes this issue more mystifying in general.\n\nYou listed quite a few crises that happened in the 70s… which, all by themselves, may have been independently generated.\n\nBut the discerning /his/torical viewer might posit that the fact that a lot of bad shit happening all at once may indicate some sort of cascading failure in the overall system. And I think at that point you can sort of wipe away the scales from your eyes if you can identify just what it is that is going on."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nand, pray tell, what do you postulate as the \"main cause\" of this systemic failure? Economic overheating as a result of 'guns & butter' deficit spending? The productivity, and hence profitability, slowdown that incentivized the offshoring of labor-intensive manufacturing operations? Or the ending of the gold standard? Which was the primary culprit?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are yts called twinkskin(b4bbc)?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If slavery was never abolished in America wtf would modern slaves do today?\nDesk work?\nSure I can see them doing ag work, but besides that, what?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "breeding white women obviously"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Slavery would be abolished eventually because it's not economically viable. Having paid wageslaves is better than helots."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlaves would most likely still work on farms doing simple work."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOk but what would happen to the excess slaves? You don't need that many people to do ag work. Right now less than 1% of America works in agriculture."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Slavery would be abolished eventually because it's not economically viable.\nYou ban it people/companies always go for the 2nd best thing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nMost of them would probably have just been sterilized in a eugenics campaign the early 20th century when it became obvious that large amounts of manual laborers were no longer necessary, and the slave population would have gradually declined."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI think that if slavery was never abolished there would be a law in the constitution that makes it so slaves could be no more than 1% of the total American population or some such. There would've been a mass castration/deportation event somewhere down the line to make this possible."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Most of them would probably have just been sterilized in a eugenics campaign the early 20th century\nno one has the time and money to afford that.\n\n>>8\n>there would be a law in the constitution that makes it so slaves could be no more than 1% of the total American population or some such\nThey'd find some way to make status to bypass that or make fluctuating into/out of slavery very fluid.\n\n>There would've been a mass castration/deportation event somewhere down the line to make this possible.\nThat would lead to mass uproar though."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>That would lead to mass uproar though\nWhy do you think that?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour picture is why slaves WOULDNT be doing desk work. Keeping a subservient class means not letting them be literate. Frederick Douglas noticed this and bribed children to teach him to read."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do low t manlet larps as aryan/yamnaya/...?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMe on the right"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">6 threads just like this\nwhat happened, someone link the thread that caused the seethe"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n> […] aryan/yamnaya[…]\n\n\nTHE YAMNAYA WERE NOT ARYAN: THEY WERE A MIXTURE OF CROMAGNON, AND TURANIAN."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\njust a wild guess:\n\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis he wrong though?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are white people terrified of becoming a minority?\nHave minorities historically been treated poorly in white countries or something?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are white people terrified of becoming a minority?\n\"I'm not the main character?\" sums it up."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMinority is gay, gay it's for a weak. Weak dying"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nreplacement theory is fucking dumb, the population isn't replced, but displaced as seen with cockneys from london, they didn't disappear, they just spread throughout the country. Western Europeans shouldn't fear becoming a minority because it is always a organised powerful minority that dictate culture through law. Basically deal with your own shit and don't worry because Quality > Quantity."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMinorities in white countries were treated better than they deserved."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Be white\n>Colonize America\n>Kick out the red barbarians who eat each other in order to bring civilization to a new world\n>Build everything from the ground up with all of it being shaped and molded by our own traditions and cultures\n>Establish ourselves as true Americans as a race with our own set of beliefs and way of life\n>Create unironically the most powerful, awesome, beautiful nation ever seen in human history\n>Fast forward to modern times\n>Import a shit ton of people who don't look like you, don't talk like you, don't dress like you and don't behave and believe in the same things as you\n>Have a minority class develop their own counter culture from within that resents everything our nation stands for using diversity, equity, democracy and peace as a facade to hide their true intentions of wanting to bring everything down so that they can become the new dominate force just like how the slaves and germanic peoples brought down the romans in the later years of the empire\n>\"Oh what's that white boy? You don't wanna be a minority? HMMMM.....I wonder why that is? Could it be that you're racist or something lol?\"\n\nNobody wants to be a minority, everybody wants to be apart of a \"people\" who lives in a land dominated by them with their beliefs and ideals held up in the highest regards. So no fucking shit white people don't want to become a fucking minority seeing as how we're the only ones holding this shithole of a dilapidated country up. Is this supposed to be some sort of low IQ \"gotcha\" moment? What the fuck do you think is going to happen once whites become the minority and white people then start to act in the same resentful rebellious, highly ethnocentric way that everybody else is acting like right now?\n>\"Ha, move over white boy, this is our shit now! We run this bitch!\"\nYou will have unironic ethnic cleansings and civil wars over competing \"peoples\" and cultures that will make the Yugoslav wars and the Roman civil war(s) look like a fucking joke."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>You will have unironic ethnic cleansings and civil wars over competing \"peoples\" and cultures that will make the Yugoslav wars and the Roman civil war(s) look like a fucking joke.\nYou really need to go out more.\n\n>Nobody wants to be a minority\nI dunno my white friends abroad in East Asia and Africa are having a great time"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>I dunno my white friends abroad in East Asia and Africa are having a great time\nThat's because they are being treated and looked at as guests, not as an \"other\" who is undermining everything about your nation."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of us arnt, because we dont go for the old 'Muh racial purity!' meme used by nazis, pol retards and americans. We understand that most of humanity consists of a wide ranging mix of phenotypes and that 'white' is just a fairly recent adaption (8000 years aor so) to a small minority to deal with a lack of sunlight in northern europe."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are white people terrified of becoming a minority?\nThey are being mistreated.\n\n>Have minorities historically been treated poorly in white countries or something?\nYes, but they stopped in the 60s and this is where it has led to. Minorities don't share the same values as white people, they don't want to treat people as individuals, they want special privileges and entitlements for being \"diverse\".\n\nI hope that explains why you are wrong, because you are wrong, completely wrong. Sure there are whacky noo noo racists on /pol/, but there are now reasonable people who are completely jaded by the left and the kafkaesque turn it has taken over the past 10 years or so. We are prosperous at the moment and you can still guilt trip people into thinking they are to blame for things that happened before they were born, but as the years roll by your claim to victimhood becomes less substantial, and if there is an economic depression or something, these people aren't going to put up with your nonsense anymore. How far they go depends on how far you go."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>not as an \"other\" who is undermining everything about your nation.\nNah, they are just nice people."}, {"id": 12, "content": "As an Asian American I’m terrified of a black run America given how they mistreat every other race and how black run politicians are the most corrupt."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Asian American\nYou are a Flip."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nIf you’re not worried about low IQ blacks running America into the ground, you are insane"}, {"id": 15, "content": "White people are afraid of becoming a minority because all the institutions are intent on white destruction and white majorities are the only thing holding back white destruction. Actually, that’s what I would have told you 25 years ago but it turns out white people failed and the oppression of white people has been ramping up starting slowly in 2014 and then getting more rapid starting in 2020\n\nAristotle once said that democracy was only possible in a homogeneous society, because in a collection of diverse groups it would be easy for a tyrant to create conflict and gain power from the instability. It is looking more and more as though he was right."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nSo many brown posters."}, {"id": 17, "content": "90% of whites will die off in America and it's honestly for the best so humanity can move forward. Over half the white population is chronically sick and mentally ill.\n\nWhite altruism is suicidally strong compared to other races. Sometimes high intelligence causes mass delusions, and you can see whites falling for moralfags clown cults like Christianity and now social justice ideology for centuries.\n\nOther intelligent races like the Chinese simply don't do this and they will win the long game.\n\nTotal submission to Blacks and third world immigration will obliterate the white old guard of America while their children become nonbinary prey for the violent races to pick off. Packs of black kids will play basketball with the heads of faggy suburban white boys soon and the judicial system will simply look the other way or give them a slap on the wrist. When Mexicans become bigger majorities in the southwest they will seize power and destroy both the white libfags who ruined California and black criminals. Hispanics have zero sympathy for Blacks and see them as the underdeveloped parasites they are, so they will brutally restore the order whites never could.\n\nA few white enclaves of hard, armed men and their families will be left, sure. Probably in places that are already fortresses of sane whiteness like Appalachia, Idaho, Amish communities, etc. But the white man will never dominate North America again and historians will write extensively about how white altruism was the most destructive mind virus known to man. They will also rightly see all the crazy conspiracies some whites had about evil Jews as the cope it is.\n\nBe honest, guys. You blame the Jews every time a white slips on a banana peel because you can't stand the fact that your leftist white sister is actually the one planting the peels"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou weren't treated poorly because you were a minority, you were treated poorly because you refused to live an honest life."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the only reason it's happening is due to an (((agenda)))"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>I REFUSE TO HAVE KIDS."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nHispanics are already majority in California (35% white) and Texas (39% white), soon will be in Florida and Arizona.\n\nWhites went from being 75% of US population in 1990 to being 57% of US population in 2020.\nIt's literally OVER kek and it isn't just percentage, they are declining in absolute numbers.\n\nI think by next census, that is in 2030, US would be less than 50% white, this is the last decade of US being a *White* country.\n\nI just want to see how further bad things get, already US (2023) is an absolute Turd World shithole compared to US (1990).\n\nImagine US cities, infrastructure, public schools etc but even worse than it already is, I think by 2030 Chicago will become Detroit and NYC will become Chicago. SoCal and Bay Area will transform into full blown Brazilian Favela shantyholes, crime will get worse but more organised, as Spics take over."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nI see you have never met too many whites. All the altruism, empathy is just for show. It's to make yourself seem as a nice person to others, of course you make sure that your \"help\" won't actually help anyone.\nThe problem of whites is the total opposite they are lizards who consume each other while the the rest of the world mostly just watches and occassionally picks up some of the resulting debris."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nSo fucking what? None of the apocalyptic shit you're predicting has happened, you sound like a browncel version of the stormfags that were predicting a full blown balkanigger-style race war by 2020.\n>Uhhhh yeah but when whites are 45% of the population instead of 50%, THEN the great white massacre will happen! And then spics with an obesity rate >60% will lead a counter-race-purge against the soundcloud rapper-warlords of 2030!\nYou're so detached from reality it hurts to read your posts. Get GDPschizo in here, at least he's somewhat entertaining"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What made it so backwards compared to other European nations?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nislam"}, {"id": 3, "content": "they weren't european"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Pure BBC genes\n>Weak mixxed shitalian mongrel raped by nordoid\nWhy are blacks genetics so superior?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "\"blacks\" are a multitudes of races. Classifying people by skin color doesn't make sense."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Copies Greek and Etruscan Art, culture and engineering\n>Copies Celtic and Iberian military equipment\n>Copies Punic Naval equipment\n>Is somehow perceived to be superior despite creating jack shit\nSo are these guys simply revered for their conquests?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes and they also copied jew religion"}, {"id": 3, "content": "you adapt stuff from the people you conquered, that's how you progress"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nt. cries and pisses and shits himself about Nords"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYeah i dont think the british had to adapt anything from the zulus, because they were actually superior, not like roman hacks who we are supposed to believe were at the center of civilization and technology yet they constantly had to copy stuff from others to stay relevant"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hell, name one after the 16th century."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInventions for them or inventions for non-Africans?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Low iq is why"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZulus invented and made use of a short stabbing spear called the Assegai. It did pretty well against the Brits and Boers."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">doesn't need to have dish cabinet or a table because he carries a dish with him where it is most convenient\nWhy don't eurotards get it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>\"invented\" a spear\n>in the age of steam and gunpowder\nSure showed that chud"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA black american invented the potato chip, these monkeys were giving jollof by French it wasn't even Niggerian it was Sengal/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">lost wax casting\n>pole lathe\n>some unique forms of furnace\n>glass beads maybe\n>terraces in a few places\n>canoe\n\nRiveting stuff, I know."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Name an african invention before the 16th century\nVery arbitrary criteria. Why 16th century?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBanjo"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis isn't the spirit of the question but technically white south africans are african and so elon musk, a south african and founder of spacex et al, technically is an african who was uber successful. The only difference between him and AFRICAN africans is he doesn't have the nigger genes"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIf you could read, you would have read the part where OP said\n>\"Hell, name one after the 16th century.\"\nbut you're a nigger so I didn't have faith in you anyways"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Bros.............................................................................................God exists."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I'm afraid I'm gonna need some evidence for that one champ"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI just.............................................know."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd let me guess, a virgin gave"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n*birth to a magic jew."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIt is impossible to provide evidence of something which by definition can not be proven. If Heaven and God exist that is for you to find out on your own."}, {"id": 7, "content": "consciousness exists, and it is interesting, but I don't know about god as a concept to explain it, existence and everything else"}, {"id": 8, "content": "No atheist has ever refuted this \"steelmanned\" argument for the existence of God.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYbA1pt8LA [Embed]\nhttps://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/the-case-for-the-physical-existence-of-god/"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>exist\nFor something to exist, it has to be tangible. I can imagine whatever deity I want and say it exists\n>>8\n>Starts reading\n>Immediately presents to you a false dichotomy with nothing to feasibly back it since Special Relativity is still not a law and needs further refining\n>Presents patently wrong claims like the GUT has been corrected and SR is unified with QM\nWhy are christards this unabashedly retarded? Genuinely asking because I can't fathom people someone calling themselves human beings can be this low IQ"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Why are christards this unabashedly retarded? Genuinely asking because I can't fathom people someone calling themselves human beings can be this low IQ\nYeah man, totally, everyone knows that average people have a perfect understanding of Quantum Mechanics. Christians are so dumb, amirite?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\none does not need a perfect understanding of quantum mechanics to understand basic fallocy.\nas much as i hate to share an official 4chan picrel, it's literally as easy as understanding these. every single one gives a (sort of) good example for each."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happened here? Was it based and/or comfy?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why are atheists so religious?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "atheism means lack of belief in god, it doesn't necessarily mean lack of religion, this is why many atheists possess superstitious beliefs like the idea men can be women"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The human brain is meant to be. There is no escape. With no God, land, heritage, or way of life to fight for, all that's left to find meaning in fighting are people that make you personally unhappy, like people that disagree with your opinions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis.\nWe are incomplete by design and are given free will as to what we fill this incompleteness with."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why exactly is being a \"lamb\" of God a good thing? If humans use sheep for wool and eventually food, what does that make humans in relation to God?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's always depicted in those long flowing robes but it's more likely he wore tunics and cloaks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's also why they call themselves wheat instead of tares. so yhwh can bake them into the tastiest spiritual bread."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Shepherd loves the sheep, so much that he will give his life for them\n\nI am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.\nJohn 10:11\n\nHumans have also been compared to banquet guests and a prodigal son."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nThis post will surely convert a lost lamb to your flock."}, {"id": 6, "content": "It's a clue towards discovering that all Abrahamic religions exist to empower an egregore."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nReally?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nSorry but I'm a Calvinist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be foolish to think og our selves as anything more than just Gods followers"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>t."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nto understand christianity and judaism simbolism you need to dig egyptian and sumerian religion\n\npic related\nsymbolizing unity of a sky god father - Ammon/Anu and Sun god son Ra/Assur"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\ni mean, maybe. it's not explicitly stated anywhere in the bibble like that, but considering he kills people for asking perfectly honest questions, i wouldn't pass it by him that he does not have the best intentions in mind for his followers...\nit's sort of a joke but (scary enough) might be true, the logic goes like this:\n-they call themselves wheat and/or lambs (food items)\n-going to heaven means you'll be \"part of god\"\n-\"you are what you eat\"\n-hence god bakes you into bread and eats you, so you become \"part of him\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews ate him."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If humans use sheep for wool and eventually food, what does that make humans in relation to God?\n\nOn the off chance you're not being disingenuous - humans are not the \"lambs of God\", Jesus is the \"Lamb of God\". His death is regarded as the final sacrifice to atone God and man and the culmination of animal sacrifices asked for throughout the Bible narrative. So you're question is kind of misinformed."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus was preaching to mostly shepherds and rural people and used language they'd understand."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nThat sounds logical."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Genesis 38:8 says it is okay to make sweet love to your brothers wife. This goes against Leviticus 20:21. Who is responsible for this discrepancy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is a retarded disgusting lying tranny who tries to claim ownership of every woman with hair color darker than red or blonde through his disgusting self-insert rural retard character and he claims every remotely dark haired woman is the property of his disgusting self-insert retard and accuses me of \"adultery\" if I'm attracted to any woman with hair color darker than red or blonde because he claims they're all the wife of his retarded disgusting rural retard self-insert. God is the most putrid, retarded, evil deranged faggot that could have ever possibly existed. It would have been impossible for a more disgusting, retarded faggot to emerge from the immaterial world than God."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He saved the Indians from genocide by removing them from their home territory. I will not elaborate on this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Trail of Tears was the genocide"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreat post OP.\nTrail of Tears was the best possible outcome and Indians have massive reservations on American land to this day.\nJackson made the best possible decision given the will of American citizens. Historians are cowardly worms."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt was not a genocide. A genocide is a concerted attempt to violently wipe out an ethnic, cultural or religious group. Indian Removal's goal was simply to pick up the Cherokee from Georgia and drop them in Oklahoma where they could continue their lives and culture. No deaths were intended, though some occurred. Therefore it is not genocide and is another example of the word being inflated to mean \"anything bad\" rather than what it was originally created to refer to.\n\nOther things that were bad but not genocides\n>Transatlantic slave trade\n>Famine-related deaths in commie countries\n>Scramble for Africa (a couple of exceptions like the Herero)\n>21st century mass migration to white countries"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>like the Herero\nNever happened"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf he really wanted to he could have moved to protect the Indians and guarantee their right to their territory, although beyond public opinion this would have to be balanced with the cost of pissing off Georgia and the South further in the lead up to the nullification crisis, but the end to that would in all likelihood remain the same. Jackson wasn't one to be hesitant about vetoing legislation he was opposed to either, so even if a majority of Congress desired Indian removal (the vote of which was closer than that of rechartering the bank) he would be at perfect liberty to veto it, and throwing his own political weight around should have had the capability to reach some long lasting accommodation with the Indians. I don't see why genocide had to necessarily be the coming conclusion."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Trail of Tears was awful, and was not necessary at all, even if what settlers would have done would have been even worse."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAnd the Indian forcefully moved were the ones more integrated into the US econimy+culture.\n\n>>5\n>Scramble for Africa (a couple of exceptions like the Herero)\nThere were a lot of ethnic cleansing, land removals taegetted policies\n\n>Famine-related deaths in commie countries\nNeglect or using famine to crackdown on people fits that."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nIt would qualify as genocide under the current UN definition, but it wasn't a genocide in the sense that the intention was to kill every single one of them. I prefer the term \"ethnic cleansing\" for events like this."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nA distinction without a difference."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThere is a difference, because genocide, based on the root words, implies killing people. The Holocaust, Young Turks. Those are genocides. Expelling people from land using force is ethnic cleansing. The UN & international community decided to just call everything genocide, which is stupid and leads to incels in the west saying stupid shit like \"white genocide\"."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Expelling people from land using force is ethnic cleansing.\nAnd it yses targetted violence towards the victims anon. You aren't getting it\n\n>The UN & international community decided to just call everything genocide, which is stupid and leads to incels in the west saying stupid shit like \"white genocide\".\nInceks say stupid shit all the time. the current scope of the definition is pretty good overall because it accommodates the various ways it has been done for various reasons."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThe current scope of the definition is fine, but the word they use for it is stupid. All of these things are obviously crimes against humanity, but according to the dictionary definition, they are not all genocide (\"the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.\"). They are all ethnic cleansing, which is why this is a more apt term to describe anything short of outright targeted mass murder.\n\nThere is a distinction to be made between what the Nazis did, which is seeking out Jews literally everywhere they could be found to exterminate them in their entirety, and what the Yugoslavs did to each other, which in some cases was genocide and in other cases was confiscation of property, expulsion, etc."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYou can be a genocide and an ethnic cleansing too anon. The holocaust also was an ethnic cleansing."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYes, all genocide is ethnic cleansing but not all ethnic cleansing is genocide."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Mosaic law states that Jews need to be sacrificing certain animals for their sins, and that this sacrifice is only allowed to happen in the place that God chooses to reside in. Considering the fact that there have been no temples since the year 70 A.D, what are Jews doing to pay for their sins? As long as they refuse to accept Jesus as their sacrifice, then they are not able to fulfill their laws."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Jews should not be mistaken for Ancient Hebrews. Jews follow the Talmud, which as a holy book was written after the Bible and the Quran. Historically they lived in communal dictatorships of Rabbis."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI should have specified Orthodox Jews. I am not 100% sure how much of Babylon remains within them, but they should at least claim that they follow the Mosaic law"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's not what it says . The sacrifices were for unintentional sins . God forgives plenty of times in the bible without sacrifices"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Jews follow the Talmud, which as a holy book was written after the Bible and the Quran\n\nThe Talmud isn't scripture.\n\nThe closest equivalent would be Patristics, if the Church Fathers knew each other, and spent all the time debating every aspect of obscure theology and liturgy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThe Talmud predates the Qu'ran"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nNo, it was not just for sins of ignorance. It included violating covenants and any other laws that God tells us to follow"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNope, the oldest Talmud is from the 8th century. 2 centuries after the Quran. Jews are the youngest branch of the Abrahamic Religions."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Considering the fact that there have been no temples since the year 70 A.D, what are Jews doing to pay for their sins?\nJesus took all their sins and placed them on the Christians."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIt was most for unintentional sins . It's not like you could just steal from someone or murder someone and then sacrifice a donkey and it's all okay. That makes no sense ."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nNo, The Talmud is the evil book of satanic power (((they))) use to keep me from getting a girlfriend."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nEven so, everyone is doing unintentional sins today. People following the old law are still required to make sacrifices for them"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>. Considering the fact that there have been no temples since the year 70 A.D, what are Jews doing to pay for their sins?\nExactly. It cannot be the same religion since they physically cannot carry it out."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Wild that at its core Judaism is a goat sacrificing religion like any other one."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe main method of repentance is to stop sinning and ask God for forgiveness. See Ezekiel 18:20-23. The sacrifices of a wicked person are repulsive to the Lord."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJew here. We do trigonometry; sin, cos, tan. Oh, and laugh at retards. You who read our comic books. Schizos, lol"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nportions of it certainly do, but not all of it\n\nas regardsthe claim that it is a super secret oral law handed down by Moses directly, that is complete bullshit made up by the rebbes"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat’s stops Jews from simply rebuilding the temple?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nliterally God won't let them\n\nthey tried once, under the command of the Emperor Julian the Apostate who hated Christians and wanted to prove they were wrong about anything\n\nbut in the middle of construction there was a serious earthquake which toppeled all their progress and huge plumes of fire shot forth from the ruined foundations of the Temple and swallowed up many of the workers\n\nso they gave up"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nReal answer? Other Jews. The destruction of the Second Temple was prophesized, as is its rebuilding. The rebuilding has to be done in a very specific, ritualized, manner. Red hefer, monarchy, rule by judges, etc. It's a bunch of complicated Jew bullshit.\n\nI mean this literally, the early Israeli colonists actually tried to rebuild it in like, the 60s. The effort got shut down by other Jews."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nthe only payment for sin is death, which is why they were ordered to do sacrifices.\n>The sacrifices of a wicked person are repulsive to the Lord.\nthis would make the law of sacrifice impossible. this verse is speaking of evil sacrifices"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nYou don’t win friends with salad"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect. They have spiritualized it in a similar way to modern Christians. However, any way you cut it, mercy and forgiveness are better than any number of sacrifices."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nExcept the fact Christians have an ezcuse by saying \"Jesus is the lamb\", meanwhile there is no reason to end levitical sacrifices.\nAlso, do Jews have idea of \"spiritual sacrifice\"? Like \"yeah i am in pain rn but this is a sacrifice for The God\" or \"i am gonna offer this chain of prayers because i love God\" type of sacrifices."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYes, they do things like giving to charity and saying prayers and doing penance instead of bloody sacrifices. I am a Catholic myself and it is interesting to me that they are very similar to Christians in this regard.\n\nhttps://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/630900/jewish/Atonement-In-the-Absence-of-Sacrifices.htm"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhile the Temple is destroyed and the Jews await the Third Temple, they pray 3 times a day in place of the sacrifices\n\nhttps://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/630900/jewish/Atonement-in-the-Absence-of-Sacrifices.htm\n\n>We replace the sacrificial “service of G‑d” with prayer, the service of the heart articulated in words. In the words of the prophet Hosea: “We will render the prayers of our lips in place of the sacrifices of bullocks.” As such, the three daily prayers are in place of the daily “services” and sacrifices that were performed in the Temple. On Shabbat we add the Musaf prayer, since an additional sacrifice was offered in the Temple every Shabbat. Another avenue to fill the void."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>yeah i am in pain rn but this is a sacrifice for The God\nyes, there is the nazirite vow\n>avoid all alcohol\n>do not touch any dead bodies\n>do not cut your hair"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery culture has done sacrifices in some sort so there must be something to it"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>26\n>>27\nIs there any Torah/Tanakh basis for functionally practicing Judaism without a temple? I'm not talking about before Moses showed up, but after, as presumably, the Hebrews/Israelites before Moses had some other sort of program in place, for the interim. Post-Moses, it would appear that Hebrews/Israelites/Jews are supposed to have a centralized temple at all times, at least a tent-like tabernacle. Do individual synagogues, also at times called temples, function like that already? What of the sacrifices that are to be made? Are they done, or are they not, and why?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Is there any Torah/Tanakh basis for functionally practicing Judaism without a temple?\nthe patriarchs made altars for sacrifice even before Abraham was around"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThat was still before Moses, and God instituting the program of the Torah to him and the Israelites during his lifetime. Is there really a contingency plan they have without a temple building with which to fall back upon, that stacks up with the Tanakh, excluding the latter Talmud and other rabbinical writings over the years?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>18\nThe Talmud is the commentary on the oral Torah . You're thinking of other oral Torah"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone\".\n\nJesus just debunked the whole of Christianity here lol."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>NOOOOOO HE MEANT THAT BUT DIDNT MEAN THAT"}, {"id": 3, "content": "And yet there are many verses where Jesus accepts people's worship of him.\n\n>Matthew 2:11: And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him.\n\n>Matthew 14:33: And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”\n\n>Matthew 28:9-10: And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.\n\n>Matthew 28:16-17: Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.\n\n>Luke 24:51: While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy\n\n>John 9:37-38: Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.\n\nSo, Jesus allows people to worship him, but doesn't allow someone to call him good? That doesn't seem to make much sense... unless you understand the context. Jesus is speaking to the rich young man, who is asking what GOOD WORKS he can do to enter the Kingdom; Jesus is telling him that no one is good enough to enter the kingdom by their own works, but must also completely trust and submit to God. Many of the Jews at that time were submitting to the Law, but did not love God; this was one of the central messages of Jesus."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Caholicism is the most rational religion\nAtheists can't read and/or are deliberately insincere\nGod exists"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>3\nI reject Christianity, I think its nonsense. The idea that a human sacrifice of a Rabbi thousands of years ago, absolves me of my sins, if I just believe in it, sounds to me like bullshit. The slave mentality of being forced to love this Jew or face eternal torture in hell. Sorry I reject this.\nNo eyewitness testimony of Jesus, we do not have the original gospels, we do not know who wrote them, written 50 odd years after the supposed events.\nIf evidence was found tomorrow that Plato or Socrates did not exist, I would not care, we could still read their accounts. But Jesus was no ordinary philosopher or teacher, it was claimed he defied the laws of nature and was God himself in the flesh. Who then took part in a human sacrifice, to redeem us of our sins. Which is primitive middle eastern scapegoating.\n\nWhat is the evidence?\nThe earth is billions of years old, it was not made in 6 days. No snakes cannot talk. No we are not descended from just two people, we would of all been inbred and died out. Genesis 1 and 2 both contradict each other. There is no archaeological or historical evidence for anything in Exodus being true.\nMatthew and Luke contradict each other on the origins of Jesus. Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem, no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\nInterestingly if Jesus was who said he was, why did the Jews and Sanhedrin reject him?\nThe evidence is pathetic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\noh great, it's YOU again"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok so what does this indian guy have to do with it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>sounds to me like\nthere's the problem\n\n>The earth is billions of years old, it was not made in 6 days. No snakes cannot talk. No we are not descended from just two people, we would of all been inbred and died out. Genesis 1 and 2 both contradict each other. There is no archaeological or historical evidence for anything in Exodus being true.\nMatthew and Luke contradict each other on the origins of Jesus. Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem, no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\nInterestingly if Jesus was who said he was, why did the Jews and Sanhedrin reject him?\nThe evidence is pathetic\n\nNone of this negates the core of Christianity or disproves God's existence"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Interestingly if Jesus was who said he was, why did the Jews and Sanhedrin reject him?\nbecause Jesus was proclaiming to be better than them, which made them angry"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nSo, you believe that the \"visions\" of a nun in the 1930s were given by Jesus, and taking mass, confession, and eucharist on \"Divine Mercy Sunday\" is the only way to ensure that your sins are absolved? Is this rational?\n\nNo, it's not rational; it's in direct contrast to the very verse that we're discussing in this thread. Good works, such as taking eucharist or going to mass, will not ensure your place in heaven. Jesus was against the religiosity of the day, because it was a hypocritical outward display. None of us are good enough to enter heaven by our own works, but must instead seek to ask God to change our hearts.\n\nCatholicism - and I don't say this to be disrespectful - is a dead, works-based religion. The amount of added religious baggage has led to it becoming more similar to a cult like Mormonism or JW, rather than the Christianity that Jesus taught.\n\n>>5\nMany, many will reject Jesus' message. You had better strive to not be among that number by the time that death comes upon you."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThen its just a tautology.\nYou have no evidence that your God exists.\nOr that Jesus did any of these miraculous things. I have never heard any serious attempt by any believer to refute any of my arguments."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>You had better strive to not be among that number by the time that death comes upon you.\nWhen I die and by body decomposes. Where else will I be going? Everything I am is in my brain, once that rots I am gone, I cease to exist. I rot in the ground."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nit takes more faith to believe that everything happened purely by chance"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou probably think Jesus is 100% positive hippie like how hes portrayed in hollywood dont you ?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jesus just debunked the whole of Christianity here lol.\nhow so"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't get it, where does he reject his divinity? He asks a question and answers it, nobody is good aside from God alone, which he is. He isn't rebuking anything, he is making an assertion."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\num because um he just le did so!"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nBro did you know that you have.... LE FAITH?!??!\ngot em"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>it takes more faith to believe that everything happened purely by chance.\nSo does that prove that Jesus' mother was a virgin and he walked on water?\nNor does it explain why 99.9% of all species on this planet are now extinct. Nor does it explain why there are other planets in our solar system like mars that once had water, lakes, rivers, and then dried up. Some design huh?\nOr if the universe was designed, why will our sun start to die and expand and destroy this planet billions of years from now? - Why design it this way?\nNor does it explain why this universe will implode hundreds of billions of years from now and revert back to nothing?\nA designer does not explain any of these questions? What about the planets in the solar systems that have unusual orbits?\nIf this was all designed it would not make sense."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\ni will not answer any of your questions. sorry, i just wont! you're the one that claims God is not real, but has zero proof to back your claim up"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\n>but must also completely trust and submit to God.\nBut he is God, right? Why didn't he say \"no one is good except me\"?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nHey buddy the burden of proof is on you. You are the one who is claiming that people will burn in hell etc etc.\nThere is no evidence for any Gods or the supernatural. If it was so evident these questions would be easily answered"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nBuck broken"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nBecause he was teaching the rich young man a lesson - that none are good but God. At that point in his ministry, the people did not know that he was God, so it would have confused the rich young man if Jesus had said \"none are good but me\". Instead, Jesus said \"none are good but God\", to show the rich young man the errors he was making by assuming that he could enter heaven by his good works.\n\nNow, when people realised that Jesus was God, and worshipped him, then Jesus would allow them to continue worshipping him, as seen by the verses I've posted previously in this thread. But - and I'll repeat myself - the rich young man did not know that Jesus was God, so Jesus did not confuse him, but instead gave him instruction on how to gain eternal life, which was what the man was asking."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>There is no evidence for any Gods\nthe evidence is that you are alive. if you think that winning the lottery 100,000 times in a row was by chance, then you are the foolish one"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nnope. works are needed\n\n>>11\nChristianity is not a logical argument.\nLook up on what philosophers of language think of the expression \"to believe\"\n\n>>19\n>So does that prove that Jesus' mother was a virgin and he walked on water?\nno\n\n>Nor does it explain why 99.9% of all species on this planet are now extinct. Nor does it explain why there are other planets in our solar system like mars that once had water, lakes, rivers, and then dried up. Some design huh?\nOr if the universe was designed, why will our sun start to die and expand and destroy this planet billions of years from now? - Why design it this way?\nNor does it explain why this universe will implode hundreds of billions of years from now and revert back to nothing?\nA designer does not explain any of these questions? What about the planets in the solar systems that have unusual orbits?\nwe can make sense of all of that on our own\n\n>A designer does not explain any of these questions?\n>Why design it this way?\n>If this was all designed it would not make sense.\nGod does not owe you accountability"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nThis doesn't prove Yahweh. You're just arguing for Deism."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\ndo you believe in a divine creator?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>the evidence is that you are alive. if you think that winning the lottery 100,000 times in a row was by chance, then you are the foolish one.\nLook up probability theory.\nThere are BILLIONS of planets and galaxies in the universe.\nThe likelihood of life in this massive universe is not that unlikely. Still does not prove a designer, or a intervening God, that answers prayers etc. Still does not answer or explain the other human species that existed, that we humans wiped out etc etc\nSee my previous reply that you avoided\n>>19"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>There are BILLIONS of planets and galaxies in the universe.\nyes, and those planets are not the only part of this equation. the speed of light, the weight of electrons, the properties of elements; all contribute to the laws of this universe that allowed you to exist at all"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nYes"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nwhy do you think he made the universe?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nI don't know, I can't comprehend the mechanics of the divine."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\n>nope. works are needed\n\nYes, faith without works is indeed a dead faith (James 2:26) - however, that works proceeds from the faith.\n\n>For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.\n\nThe Catholic Church teaches you to behave like that rich young man spoken of in Matthew 19. They teach you that salvation is achieved through extra-Biblical works, such as receiving mass and eucharist on specific days, going on pilgrimages, praying to saints, confessing to priests etc. But Jesus did not teach this at all, but rather the opposite. We must instead repent of our sins and turn from them, and accept Jesus' sacrifice for our sins, and accept the Holy Spirit as a helper, so that we might gain strength against temptation.\n\nSalvation is found in the teachings of the Bible, which taught us to love God and our neighbour, and to accept Jesus' sacrifice, to repent of our sins. Salvation is NOT found in the man-made doctrines of any church. If you have the Spirit dwelling within you, then I can't see how you wouldn't be able to point out the many flaws found in the Catholic Church."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\ni will assume that you aren't OP since he claimed that no gods exist"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>24\n>At that point in his ministry, the people did not know that he was God\nWrong, he was saying things \"before Abraham was, I am\".\n>Now, when people realised that Jesus was God, and worshipped him\n\"And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king\".\n\nIs David God as well?\n>David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king.\nAccording to christians you have to worship Jesus as god and beg him to forgive you. So I bet he was confused."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>5\nOne of the most bizarre thing Christcucks do is \"ROMANS MENTION JESUS SO THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE\"\n\nRomans also mention Christians at the time were mass incest, child raping, cannibals. Is that true as well?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nYes, but the majority of the people did not know he was God. This is common knowledge and there's no point in debating over this.\n\nJesus was worshipped multiple times by people who knew he was God, as well as being called Lord and the Son of God."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nthe point is that Jesus was real"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSniffman points that Christians clearly miss the entire fucking point of the crucifictions and sacrifice as well and completely ignore Jesus' own words.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEuY46p5yH4&t=151s [Embed]"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nNo,\nChristians were real. That's all Tacitus ever said was that there was a cult of Christ. You'd think some Roman would write to the emperor that we accidentally killed the living god or something after Jesus'resurrection."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nI've had philosophy professors who are actually catholic and are believers that agree with what Zizek is saying.\nEven as far as Chesterton as he well points out many catholics view things this way. Unamuno comes to mind\n\nHe's not BTFOing Christianity by any means. He's reinvigorating it"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>You'd think some Roman would write\nyes, some romans did write that"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\n>Sniffman points that Christians clearly miss the entire fucking point of the crucifictions and sacrifice as well and completely ignore Jesus' own words.\nFunny you say that, seeing as Zizek is also ignoring many of Jesus' own words. However, Zizek is not entirely wrong in everything he says there, and is certainly more knowledgeable than many so-called \"Christians\" when it comes to works-based salvation."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nconvenient that he leaves out the part that Jesus is still alive"}, {"id": 46, "content": "Honestly, I just don't understand why anybody would follow Christianity when Buddhism or Taoism exists.\nBoth are just so much more useful \"religions\" or philosophies in regards to life lessons, how to live a more fulfilling life, understanding the role of humanity in the universe, getting the ability to step back from human social constructs and look at things how they actually exist etc.\nAlso the works are just so much more beautifully written and engaging than anything Jesus said.\nChristanity is the best of the Abrahamic religions, but that is a very easy competition considering Islam is pretty much Scientology tier and Judaism is a bunch of ethnic supremacist ancestor worshipping circlejerking. But honestly, Christianity is such kiddie shit compared to Taoism or Buddhism it's actually wild.\n\n>t. had to go to religious school and read massive swaths of texts from numerous religions."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*CLEARS THROAT*\nYOUR ATTENTION PLEASE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN\nDoes anyone here have the meme where Jesus says something about cutting off your penis to avoid temptation and the basedjak says that's obviously a metaphor, and when Jesus says \"I'm God\" he says \"wow so true and literal\"? Could you post it please?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\ndoes buddhism or taoism allow its followers to immediately heal the sick, cast out spirits, and raise the dead?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIf you believe Qigong bullshit cultists like Falun Gong or Folk Buddhism why not.\nMeanwhile in the real world, Buddhism and Taoism gives you actual meaningful advice, god tier mental health techniques and actual useful good real world tecjmoqies to provide better perspective on things.\nAlso this shit is literally backed up by tonnes of scientific research and psychology as well. Some Buddhists can literally stop their own heartbeat through sheer willpower, which again, proven by science."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>40\nhe mentions contemporary theologians at the end. does anyone know who they might be?\nChesterton fucks"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nBecause Buddhism or Taoism will not lead to eternal life. They are manmade religions which believe that salvation can be achieved through good works and \"enlightenment\". Jesus taught that no works of man can allow him to enter the kingdom of God - no one is righteous and we are all inferior to God. We are sinners who deserve to suffer God's judgement for going against His will. And we are all too weak and wicked to do anything ourselves that would warrant a forgiveness of our sins.\n\nRomans 3:10:\n>As it is written:\n>“There is no one righteous, not even one;\n\nBut God has been merciful towards us, and allowed us to gain eternal life with Him, if we accept the sacrifice of His son.\n\nIn the Zizek video above, Zizek explains that all religions aside from Christianity believe that they can achieve salvation through their works; all these religions are dead wrong! This is the path to hell, for it is a rejection of Jesus' good message.\n\nJohn 14:6:\n>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler wasn't Italian"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\n>mental health techniques\nchristianity tells you to not worry about anything in this world\n>Some Buddhists can literally stop their own heartbeat\nthat's cool and all, but can they prophesize the future??"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.\nWhoops.\nI know gypsies who can do better than that."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nidk why you posted that, it's unrelated to what i said"}, {"id": 56, "content": "Jesus mows my lawn."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>34\n\n>Yes, faith without works is indeed a dead faith (James 2:26) - however, that works proceeds from the faith.\n\nsooo.. not faith alone?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nCorrect. Faith without works is dead. Works proceeds from faith. However, works are not what guarantees salvation. The idea that we can work our way to heaven with good deeds is a false one, and it is a false doctrine that pretty much all manmade religions teach, such as JW, LDS, Catholicism, Islam etc."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n\nWorks are not what saves you, but faith. And you know faith is true when it is accompanied with works.\n\n>17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.\nMatthew 7:17-18\n\nBut all false religions teach that works come first, and grace is a result of good works. This goes against the gospel and will not result in eternal life, as the primary focus is placed on man's righteousness, which will never be enough to gain the grace of God."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jesus didn't exist.\n>The Trinity isn't in the bible, it's a later invention.\n>Early Christians didn't believe in heaven, they believed Jesus was going to come back and establish a Jew kingdom in Israel that resurrects all the dead Jews.\n>Christcuckery is a bunch of cobbled together bullshit and voted on by committees to suit their political agendas."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>13\nYou believe a jew in the sky happened by chance so christcuckery doesn't get you out of the problem."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nWhy did the jew god create the universe 30 billion years ago just to hand out tickets to a jew kingdom in the sky for dead primates on one particular rock?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nBecause God cares about each of us enough to send his Son as a sacrifice, so that we might accept it as atonement for our sins and enter heaven.\n\n>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.\nJohn 3:16\n\nIt is your choice to accept this sacrifice as a cover for your past sins, and then to repent, and to gain everlasting life. Or you can reject God and receive the just punishment for your sins, which is everlasting death.\nWhat is wonderful is that we all have an equal opportunity to gain eternal life, as a gift from God."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n>Because God cares about each of us\nWhy?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>58\n>>59\nhmmm i'd have to check some of the stuff you said\n\nbut... not faith alone then, right?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>61\n>You believe a jew in the sky happened by chance\nNo, it didn't"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nYou are saved when you repent of your sins, which means to confess and turn from them, and to put your faith in Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, which you must accept as a payment of your debt to God. The wages of sin is death, but God has gifted us eternal life through Jesus' death (Romans 6:23).\nOnce you do this - truly do that - you will become born again, and your good fruits (or good works) will be evidence that you have been saved.\n\nYou will NOT gain salvation through your good works. I know I've said that already, but for the sake of your salvation, I need to make it very clear. You cannot attain salvation through your own works. These are dead works, because they are without faith. And faith without works is a dead faith, because you are not bearing the good fruits that Jesus spoke of.\n\nI would recommend that you read Psalm 51.\n\nIt's great that you're interested, because this is the best gift in the world, and the only gift that matters.\n\n>>64\nBecause He is full of love and mercy. But he is also fully just - which is why we all deserve to be sent to hell. However, God - in His mercy - sent his son, so that he might die on the cross as an atonement for our sins."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>He is full of love and mercy. But he is also fully just - which is why we all deserve to be sent to hell. However, God - in His mercy - sent his son, so that he might die on the cross as an atonement for our sins.\n\nHow about... not sending people to hell?\nChristfags literally make no sense."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nYou have to understand that sola fide is a purely soteriological doctrine. Justification in the eyes of God is by faith alone, not of works.\nHowever, how does that faith testify for itself?\n>You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.\nSaving faith allows the Holy Spirit to fill a believer, and it is from that Holy Spirit that flow good works. These good works please God (they are of God, after all), but in soteriological terms they are meaningless. What they are doing, however, is justifying you before your fellow man. Other men can't see faith, but they can see actions and it is only by these actions that they can say whether someone is a brother in Christ or not."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nIf He didn't send sinner to hell then He wouldn't be a just God. Salvation comes from accepting Jesus' payment for your sins. If you reject Jesus' payment for your sins, then you will be justly damned.\nWill you reject Jesus' sacrifice for you?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>12\n>Everything I am is in my brain, once that rots I am gone, I cease to exist. I rot in the ground.\nso the burden of proof is on you to prove this."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are incapable of critical thinking"}, {"id": 73, "content": "Praying for this whole tread. For the atheist to soften his heart and accept Jesus. For the Catholic to understand his errors. For the anti-trinity poster to learn for himself that Jesus is Lord"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n\"Do not be conceited\""}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nThere are Christians in this thread that are trying to spread the gospel. Meanwhile, you have accomplished nothing through your post except to appear lofty and passive-aggressive."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>70\nChristians\n>I 100% deserve to go to Hell\nAlso Christians\n>but I 100% deserve to go to Heaven because reasons\nSeems contrived."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\nThe trinity is blasphemy and you will go to Hell."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nyour prophet is an illiterate warlord and didnt think lust is a sin"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nJesus was literally killed due to implying the trinity."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nWe are Christians, because Christ paid for our sins upon the cross. He gave us the greatest gift that we could ever receive.\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord\nRomans 6:23"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTroons never addressed the post. Just diacussing retarded tangents. They have no direct response to you. You really did buckbreak them today, good job OP."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Ich bin ein Berliner\"\n\nKennedy debunked his own nationality here lol."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nThe question was answered in full, but you ignored it. A heart that is hardened against God will be blind to the truth, even when it is placed before them and as clear as day.\n\nJesus states (Matthew 13):\n\n14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:\n“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;\nyou will be ever seeing but never perceiving.\n15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;\nthey hardly hear with their ears,\nand they have closed their eyes.\nOtherwise they might see with their eyes,\nhear with their ears,\nunderstand with their hearts\nand turn, and I would heal them.’"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>67\nNo need for baptismthen, you are John 3:15 mocker dont call yourself christian"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\n3:5"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nI'm sorry? Can you please explain exactly what you disagree with?\n\nIf you are stating that baptism is a necessary work to enter heaven, then I would guide you to Luke 23:43. Was the repentant thief baptised?\nNo, the thief was not baptised; he was saved in his faith in Jesus alone. It is faith, and not works that grants us a place in heaven. If that thief had went on to continue living on earth, then we would have seen the fruit of his faith, and he would have been baptised, and would have spread the gospel. But he was to die, and yet he entered paradise without having the opportunity to show works.\n\nAgain, I must be clear; I am not arguing that works are unnecessary. Faith without works is a sure sign that the faith is a fake or dead one (James 2:26). But works proceed from the faith, just as a good tree will bear good fruit (Matthew 7:17).\n\nIs baptism important? Yes, there is no doubt; if you reject baptism, your faith is likely a dead one. Is it necessary? No, there are situations in which someone may enter heaven without being baptised.\n\nI hope you can understand what I'm saying, because it's very important that you place your faith in Jesus, and know that it is through God's grace alone that you are saved, not by your works."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>14\nJesus is a bad ass. Stupid Protestant edgelords and their \"JUST ACCEPT JESUS. YOU WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT!\" and complete lack of spirituality or understanding.\n\nHe would whip all of them for their schism let alone their blasphemies and promotion of anti God activities.\nBrainlets just don't understand what He's saying because they're exposure to the bible comes from the edited KJV where not only books are removed, passages altered but even an old commandment was changed utterly affecting its meaning. This influence has led to false promotions for several centuries now."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis name is Emmanuel, \"God with us\" He was only good to those with faith. Putting faith in Jesus body and flesh was to him the spirit of satan:\n\n[Mat 16:23 KJV] 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8–9\n\nYou must accept Jesus' sacrifice for you, and you must repent and turn from your sins. This is the gift that God has given us and is the foundation of Christianity.\n\n>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\nJohn 14:6\n\nIt is ONLY through Jesus that we will be saved. That is the message of the cross.\n\nBut many will say that they've \"accepted Jesus\"; what does that mean? It means that we must follow Jesus' commandments, to love God with everything we have, and to love our neighbour as ourselves.\n\n>37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”\nMatthew 22:37-40\n\nAnd we must bear good fruit.\n\n>17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.\nMatthew 17:17-19\n\nWe can NEVER achieve salvation through our own works. That is Jesus' fundamental message and you MUST understand and embrace this.\n\n>As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one\nRomans 3:10"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>It means that we must follow Jesus' commandments, to love God with everything we have, and to love our neighbour as ourselves.\nWe are incapable of following Jesus' commandments. It is only through the power of the Spirit acting through us that good works can be displayed.\n\n>We can NEVER achieve salvation through our own works.\nOur own works are never good works (He brews 11:6). The only thing that pleases God is the choice that God has given us all (by grace), which is to surrender to His call. Only then can good works be displayed through us (not by us)."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>79\n>implying"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">We are incapable of following Jesus' commandments. It is only through the power of the Spirit acting through us that good works can be displayed.\nI agree! We have all sinned against God and the wages of our sin is death (Romans 6:23). However, once we are saved, we must love God with all your heart, soul, and mind (Matthew 22:37) - loving God means to obey his commandments for us. God will give us the strength to resist sin.\nIf we continue to resist God and to act in a way that goes against the commandments, and that is lawless, then we know that our faith is dead, as it is without the good fruit.\n\n>Our own works are never good works (He brews 11:6). The only thing that pleases God is the choice that God has given us all (by grace), which is to surrender to His call. Only then can good works be displayed through us (not by us).\nAgain, I agree. If we allow God to work through us, then our good fruit will be visible. If God is not in us, then we will bear no good fruit.\n\nMy point is this: that too many people profess to be Christians, but are without the good fruits. Jesus said that you will know them by their fruit - are we showing good fruit by continuing to watch pornography, to lie, to steal? No, we are not. We must trust God completely, as we trust Jesus' sacrifice for our past sins."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone\".\n>Jesus just debunked the whole of Christianity here lol.\nNoooo he was just interrupting the man to puff himself up, he wasn't correcting him!"}, {"id": 94, "content": "Why do you faggots always post these images\n\nJesus wasn't Italian"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>87\n>No you don't know what the Bible means because you didn't learn it from the line of this guy"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\n>We are incapable of following Jesus' commandments.\nJesus debunks you! \"be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect\"\n\nPaul just said all have sinned. That's past tense. Jesus says go and sin no more. So do that."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristcucks getting BTFO lmao."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\nYeah he was a jew. At least he was a jewish fictional character."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat guy in your picture isn't Jesus.\nThat's Osama Bin Laden."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nYeah exactly so why do they always make him look like an italian with images like this?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nHave you ever seen a Jew that looks like this? I haven't"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nFaggot liberals think people from Nazareth look like people from Saudi Arabia."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "'God the son' is part of the trinity, the trinity is the one god by virtue of the finitude of the godhead, and the godhead is one by necessity of the finite states of being; I get it now, albeit still Muslim."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe most compelling evidence for God's existence is the assertion that humans would have made the trinity easier to understand."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's not an assertion"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNice false flagging retard."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou are not a muslim, trinity will always be kufar god is one and it's only allah"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIn other words\n>We invented a complicated concept for god therefore he's real"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nI never said I converted you fucking retards"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIs the koran eternal and uncreated yes or no?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIs the bible?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ncatholics dont believe so"}, {"id": 11, "content": "\"God the son\" doesn't appear in the bible\nJohn 1:18 has 2 different versions, one asseets the godhood of jesus, one doesn't\nMost contradictions between Christianity and Islam can be reconciled by more accurate translations (i.e. jesus is never 'worshipped' in the NT as God is supposed to be in the OT)\nThe only difficulty is that the qur'an supposedly totally bans all alcoholic consumption, where the NT recounts Jesus turning water into wine, etc."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Logos being eternal and uncreated is in line with muslim view of the Koran and true orthodox view of Jesus\nBoth can be said in accordance with their religions to embody or contain divine essence (just as any truth or wisdom can), which is not the same as being identical to God"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nFunny thing is some old-school hanafi muslims believe the alcohol ban is ONLY on wine, hence why turkish-german gastarbeiter used to drink beer in bavaria"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI wish it was possible to understand the Qur'an in such a way as allows you to drink, but it doesn't seem reasonable. Oh well, into the trash it goes!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nNo its a book, not God. Do muslims believe it is?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nGreat way to ruin a civil conversation fucking faggot"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\n>Yeah uhhhhh trinity is right, because.... ummmmmm because It doesn't make any sense. And if it was a lie, It would actually be logical and believable. But since it's completely illogical and makes no sense, and is unbelievable, it must be muhhh truth\nDo christians really? this is the stupidest thing I've read all day. Christians really aren't sending their best"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe trinity is actually a concept that has its origins in the Celtic religion, the god Lugus specifically, the Greeks and Romans had some triple deities also but these deities where never the highest most regarded ones. It's an esoteric concept, but the more I think about it, it makes sense."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Why do people act like the Trinity is hard to understand. Three infinitely powerful beings that are absolutely aligned in every way. IT’S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, RETARDS!"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nThe point of the Qur'an is to turn people into mindbroken slaves, all people, for all time. The emotional attatchment you think you have to God is only to the words of a heretic, which are material and not divine.\nThey may intersect with truth and wisdom, but the whole Qur'an is no substitute for thinking for yourself.\nI use 'heretic' to refer to the worst part of these religions, whether its the trinity or the divine origins of a book, it is all founded on 'heresy' which is the same as HEARSAY, i.e. the words of another. In Islam you are compelled to 'bear witness' to things you have no authority to witness, as you did not see amd cannot know except by faith: this is the flaw of religion, that people witness to others what others have witnessed (I mean recounted as if they knew) to them. So the cycle of mindbrokenness perpetuates ad nauseum unto today.\n\nSave yourself by picking and testing the doctrines, the way of life, worth living for its own reward; no religion can replicate the purity of intellect.\n\nBest wishes,\nProfessor of Truth"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope. Christfags are pagan polytheists."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nIf it was really that simple Christians wouldn't have spent centuries arguing and schisming over it, cope more"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIt really is that simple"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nI don’t know why people struggle to understand the Trinity"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nDidn't read, dunning-kruger narcissist"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>13\nharun al-rashid was of the same opinion. also, you could get a licence to sell beer in ottoman constantinople, even to turks. raki was invented in egypt, a thing worse even than al-ikhwan al-muslimun."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nyeah, me neither. it's obvious nonsense."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "so we've all learned about what culture actually is, but, I got a question, why does America have all the stuff on the bottom of this chart, but, very few or pretty obscure stuff when it comes to the top?\nI mean, what is a uniquely American festival or holiday? (aside from 4th of July but that doesn't really count)\nHow about food? aside from typical shit that's enjoyed by everyone. (burgers and shit) Would regional BBQ count?\n\nalso i think a better analogy for culture is to compare it to a plant, the roots are the stuff on the bottom, more hidden but are absolutely needed in order for the stuff on top to exist, like a plant! however it feels like the nation hasn't really produced anything noticeable, like a dormant plant that hasn't woken up yet. The roots are there, she just hasn't done much yet and I wanna figure out why that is.\n\nWhat do you guys think?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nalso apologies in advance for any typos or whatever, I have a problem with forgetting to spell certain words while typing.\nI pray you guys can read my post though'"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey I like that analogy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica is not a country per se, a country has its own people and culture while the former is just a melting pot of different people and cultures."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what is a uniquely American festival or holiday?\nthanksgiving probably. i don't know if any other country celebrates it the way americans do"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nya do? I thought it was more fitting than the iceberg. The idea sprung into my head while thinking about this topic and tending to my plants!\n\n>>4\nyeah but surely the different ethnicities and cultures will lose influence and become one, right?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nyeah it is the most unique one we have, I didn't count it though cause we have to share it with Canada but if you want to then go ahead!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nhow about carnivals? do other countries do it?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI mean, a carnival is basically a festival so I'd say yeah but I think euros might base theirs around a theme relevant to their culture, whereas we tend to just celebrate for the sake of it, I guess 4th of july carnivals count though.\n\nalso your image is making me hungry for corndogs."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>also your image is making me hungry for corndogs.\ni think the only carnival food i've ever ate were elephant ears. my parents were very stingy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\ndamn that sucks cause corndogs are pretty much the best snack food you can get at carnivals."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>not a country per se\nIt is a country per se. I think you mean \"Nation\", but even then, there has been at least a fair amount of shared experience with the people of the US you could argue we are a nation of people as well. Unified by common beliefs about freedom democracy... etc. Also stop say \"per se\" you sound like a pseud."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>food\nmost viral food trends start in america then radiate outwards e.g. avocado toast, cronuts, cakesicles. American style hotdogs etc. are absolutely part of american culture. Something doesn't need to Only be done by one country to be part of that country's culture. E.g. it's part of Japan's culture to eat lots of rice and it is also part of China's culture to eat lots of rice.\nCulture is simply the collective behaviour of a group of people, not the behaviours only found int htat group of people and nowhere else.\n>language\nAmerica's language is english\n>flags\nAmerica's flag is the stars and stripes\n>festivals\n4th of july, thanksgiving, christmas, spring break\n>fashion\nmany fashion trends start in america\n>music\nmany modern music genres started in america\n>performance\nmany world-famous broadway productions started in america\n>dance\nline dancing\n>art and crafts\nmany great modern artists and illustration styles are american\n>literature\nmany great authors are american\n>games\nmany popular sports like basketball and baseball are american, many popular tabletop games are american\n\nIt's the complete opposite from what the OP says. America produces more culture than would be expected and has an outsized impact on the culture of the rest of the world."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou've answered your own question. Aspects of American culture that are uniquely American, and directly the creation of Americans like the Food, Music, Film, Car culture, etc, have been so widespread due to American dominance since WW2 that you don't really view them as \"American\", but just standard. But they are American regardless, just now pervasive amongst all the world's cultures, and now a standard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nto answer some more points in your OP image\n>food\ncorn dogs :P\n>language\nnative american\n>flags\namericans are considered to be excessive with their flag. i heard that europeans don't wave their flags around like americans do\n>fashion\ni think american women were the first to start wearing clothes that show more skin\n>music\nrap, jazz, rock and roll\n>dance\ntap dancing\n>arts and crafts\ni think totem poles are unique to america\n>literature\nthere's some well known authors like Edgar Allan Poe\n>games\nthere's some original sports like basketball"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP you are a dummie, but that's ok, I think you're a cool dummie. Here is a list of American surface culture:\n\nTex-mex food, English, we have 50 state flags, music and art festivals are incredibly common, yeezies, Memorial Day, Cats, Cats, Cats, house flipping, Mark Twain Robert Heinlein William Faulkner, Halo Baseball\n\nAre you literally blind, deaf, and retarded? The surface level aspects of culture are so apparent that you shouldn't need to ask. INB4 hHURR DURR, yOU cOpied that stuff from Yurop! Nigger, shut up, culture is copying."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Are you literally blind, deaf, and retarded? The surface level aspects of culture are so apparent that you shouldn't need to ask. INB4 hHURR DURR, yOU cOpied that stuff from Yurop! Nigger, shut up, culture is copying.\nbro calm down, tf i do to you?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI was only inquiring how you could possibly miss surface level culture which is abundantly apparent in reality. I think it's pretty strait forward to assume you can't see or hear if you cannot do something so simple."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>very few or pretty obscure stuff when it comes to the top?\nWhat are you talking about America has iconic imagery for holidays, movie genres, we've basically invented every main music genre of the past 100 years except Euro Dance and Reggae.\nWe have unique dances and fashion.\n\nWe have high culture through literature and film, and some architecture.\nWe do lack painters though"}, {"id": 20, "content": "You are so utterly immersed in American culture you fail to realize how mundane it is in everyday life.\n\nCompare how an American lives to how an Australian or Brazilian or Russian lives and the differences become apparent FAST"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>4\nCountries didn’t exist before the late 19th century?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what is a uniquely American festival or holiday?\nThanksgiving.\nHalloween.\nAlso the Superbowl may as well be a holiday at this point. If the chariot races in Constantinople were a key part of Byzantine culture, then I feel the Superbowl counts at this point for American culture.\n\n>What about food?\nA lot of ice cream is uniquely American, with milkshakes being made here, and ice cream sodas, and soft serve ice cream.\nOh also sodas. Just in general, we pioneered those.\nApple Cider, both hard and not are pretty American.\nMaple Syrup is very American.\nSouthern BBQ\nTex-Mex and things like Chimichangas were invented in America.\n\nYou know I'm starting to understand why America has an obesity problem"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\n>I didn't count it though cause we have to share it with Canada\nWell Canada literally just copied it from us, if you argue a country can't call something its own if it's used by another nation then suddenly Pizza and Pasta aren't Italian and Tea isn't English.\n\nAlso Anglo-Canada is just an American sub culture, like Austrians to Germany"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes culture stop being culture when it’s shared by other countries? America is culturally descended from Europe and it inherited a lot of European culture (even if sharts would never admit it)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell it is a country of immigrants thats only 300 years old, shit, half of it is really only 150 years old, and filled with other immigrants"}, {"id": 26, "content": "america still remains apart as the only \"country\" of its kind\nyou have to remember that when asking any questions about american culture and identity\n>>4\n>>25"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAren’t countries like Argentina and Brazil pretty similar to America in terms of immigrants being significant demographics historically? I think it’s Argentina with the Italians and Welshman, and Brazil with the japs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who forgives god?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Cut yourself for Jesus bro"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat would God need to be forgiven of?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Cathlels are fucking freaks"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nYou can thank retarded Latin misinterpretations of the Bible for that shit, they literally translated \"repentance\" as \"penance\", and people still think this is \"the one church\"."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>You can thank retarded Latin misinterpretations of the Bible for that shit\nno, this is purely demonic. nothing in the bible tells you to do this"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhat about the northern Algerian king that used to walk the streets whipping himself"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI meanfrench* typo"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nSuffering"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Listen, I love you bro, but, uh, I need you to beat the shit out of yourself. Like, I want you to be dripping with blood. Really flog the shit out of yourself."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWhat Roman Catholics unironically believe, which explains a lot about their abusive behaviour. Just look at Mother Theresa for example, fetishized pain like one of the Cenobites from Hellraiser."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHail Satan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How can a desert region be called \"fertile crescent\""}, {"id": 2, "content": "idk"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe climate changed, it used to be more fertile in 5000 BC.\n\nWon't let me post the image here but check:\nhttp://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/earth-surface.gif"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nUmm guys... what happened to the fertile crescent?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\nretards it is about the contrast of the riverine or rainfed coastal or plateau agriculture with the inland desert\nbtw source https://www.usgs.gov/apps/croplands/app/mapgr0s4"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe explanation is literally on the link above your post, tard."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>https://www.usgs.gov/apps/croplands/app/mapgr0s4\nShit some of the captcha got in, https://www.usgs.gov/apps/croplands/app/map"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nummmm global warming or something"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncause shit grows, and it used to grow even more before salinization truly kicked in"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause in the thin strips that aren't desert a lot of wild grain and wild goats lived. Wild things the natufians and cousins harvested."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's Israeli larp that they greened a desert. Mediterranean is among the best, if not the best climates for agriculture, it's the same climate as California."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nuh bros?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nsemi unrelated but the greenery in the spring is primarily due to the flooding of the Euphrates and Tigris due to the melting of the snow in the Anatolian mountains which is pretty cool\n\njust felt like autistically sharing"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat does mesopotamia mean?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nMeso means \"middle;intermediate\". Pota means \"drunk, drunken, intoxicated\". Mia means mine. Therefore, Medopotamia means middle drunk mine. Probably means \"I am normal drunk\" rather than a little drunk or very drunk.\nYou're welcome anon."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndesert protects you from niggers who would steal your crops"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n4.2 Kiloyearevent happened."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nkys"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nMesopotamian hands typed this."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nthanks"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n…"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How can a desert region be called \"fertile crescent\"\n\nIt didn't used to be a desert, but ancient-type peoples aggregated it so aggressively all the nutrients were leeched out of it, the PH is all fucked up, and it's salty now.\nAlso, for what it's worth: sand can have nutrients in it. Sand isn't always automatically sterile or deprived of nourishment, so in some cases all these places need is a bit to drink and they're good to go."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nKek."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit used to be a lot greener 3000+ years ago"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How can a desert region be called \"fertile crescent\"\nBecause it's fertile compared to Arabia"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nNot so fertile now lmao"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\n>The climate changed, it used to be more fertile in 5000 BC.\nFalse and dumb reddit myth, the Green sahara period was already ending by then and it wasn't about \"fertility\" but aridity."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\n\"between rivers\""}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\n>exports grain from ukraine(or formerly did)\nabsolute retards"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nImports* I'm retarded too"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>>30\nEgypt was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire back in those days. They only import today because their population has exploded beyond any sustainable level. There's like 100 million Egyptians all crowded around this thin strip of land."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>False and dumb reddit myth\nProceeds to repeat what I said...\n>the Green sahara period was already ending by then\n\nThe climate changed. Aridity, fertility, whatever.\nYou are quibbling over semantics retard.\nAgriculture spung up there because the climate used to be more suitable for it."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\n>The climate changed. Aridity, fertility, whatever.\n>You are quibbling over semantics retard.\n>Agriculture spung up there because the climate used to be more suitable for it.\nClimate is still fully suitable for agriculture, also agriculture appeared even before the Green Sahara period."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nI know more about it then than I do now to be honest. What are they going to do, just keep multiplying until they have an implosion with severe instability? I saw a something on property there and it seemed nuts. The desert meme cities don't look like they're going to be happening any time soon either."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>Climate is still fully suitable for agriculture\nNever said otherwise, it is LESS suitable though, isn't it?\n\n>also agriculture appeared even before the Green Sahara period\nNot in Mesopotamia. 8000 BC is the earliest date and ploughs did not appear until 3000 BC."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>Never said otherwise, it is LESS suitable though, isn't it?\nIn places like Jordan? Yes, but elsewhere rain-fed agriculture is possible today and was so in the past.\nIf you look at the PPNB culture and see MODERN rainfall maps you can see a pattern, agriculture only spread in the more arid regions of East Syria and Lowland Mesopotamia when irrigation was developed."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nBasically the reddit meme that \"the middle east was less arid before\" is just anachronistic and ignorant non-sense.\n\nThe border where rainfed agriculture was possible definitely changed overtime, but there were ALWAYS consistent regions where rainfed agriculture was possible and regions where it was NEVER possible to cultivate almost anything either through irrigation or rain."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nAnother rainfall map, I think the rain-fed agriculture\"border\" would be at around 200 mm/year"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did people in antiquity socialize?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRemember the time period of your childhood when you did not have access to modern \"smart\" devices? That's how."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Remember the time period of your childhood when you did not have access to modern \"smart\" devices?\nNo."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nbased zoomer"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWell at least you're probably good with computers and similar devices"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Most people lived and died in the same village or neighborhood in the city so they just knew people\n\nSpecifics depend highly on the civilization, but one of the most common and ancient things is having people over for dinner. You may invite some good friends over or family from another village in the region."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nReligious and \"communal\" festivities were also important."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Probably talked to each other irl\n\nA good skill to have, anon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe same way you do today, people still had family, social gatherings, people they work and trade with, church/pagan temple people, idk why you even need to be told how people fucking socialize"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on the place. Citizens in Athens spent their whole day at the Agora since work was done by slaves.\nSimilarly, Romans in Rome would spent most of their time at the gymnasium and baths since about a third or more of the calendar days were holidays. These were basically social clubs.\nOut in the country, people just worked on their farms with their families, this was their social circle."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n4chan. They didn't have any archives though so you can't find the posts."}, {"id": 12, "content": "mostly through rape"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTalking.. What a stupid question. What do you fucking think? There was nothing else to do other than socialize to kill the time."}, {"id": 14, "content": "they didn't live in car-infested cities"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm a deist, but it's obvious that if god wanted to communicate with us he could easily do it in an unambiguous way. it's obvious that he just doesn't interfere in human affairs. Religions are man-made bullshit."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it's obvious that he just doesn't interfere in human affairs\nhmm, interesting that the soviet union was pushed into a world war and nearly collapsed when communists were on their way to eradicating christianity and judaism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>communists were on their way to eradicating christianity and judaism\nRetard."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n??? I don't get what you mean. Nations go to war all the time."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I fucking LOVE science"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot really, the abstraction in religion is already found in the nature of things, which includes god"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod created you incels to laugh at. Not to converse with. Hahaha."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">deist\nProto-atheist."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIndeed. The programming is enough. No Golem needs conversation."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Because merely believing He exists isn't the point. Even Satan acknowledges God exists. God wants you to willingly enter into a relationship with Him, and thus it wouldn't be prudential for Him to unequivocally reveal His presence to all mankind because, more often than not, people would just worship God out of obligation and fear instead of adoration and love.\n\nIt's one thing to be convinced that God exists; it's another thing entirely to become a Christian."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat would be considered an unambiguous way? Atheist can and will deny everything."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod hides because He wishes to move the will and not the mind."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nwhy was this false 2000 years ago?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's done it many times but humanity continues to be atheist in spite of it, God isn't stupid and he's got better things to do than prove himself repeatedly to lowly creatures of dust and clay. Man is idiotic and depraved enough to deny the truth of its own senses anyway, so why should God bother? It's not his fault humans are too dumb to read the room."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>He's done it many times\nWhy not do it in a time with live streaming and digital cameras?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nand the award for the most nonsensical take this century goes to ..."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\n>God is perfect and doesn't want or need anything. Claiming otherwise, like >>11 does is, at best, implying that God is imperfect, which is blasphemy. The god he worships is a pagan idol dressed up as the Supreme Being.\nNonsense, God absolutely is a person with desires, likes and dislikes. Read the Bible, not philosophical word games."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>What would be considered an unambiguous way?\ngod knows. literally. or are you denying his omniwhatever?\n>Atheist can and will deny everything.\ncan god create an atheist not even he is able to convert? or maybe he already did ..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the secular explanation for why killing people painlessly is immoral?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone\nSecularism is by definition nihilistic or existensalistic"}, {"id": 3, "content": "the goal of life is death\n\neveryone succeeds"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>immoral\nmeme term"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere no such thing as a painless death"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHow do you know?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople value their lives highly and don’t want to give them up. Often when they don’t it’s a passing phase that they regret later."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>7\nCont. you hurt their loved ones."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nSo does that mean political killings are justified? If you perceive another person as an existential threat to your life based on their politics what's stopping you from killing them?\nNot a fed btw"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBecause society is about building models of what's acceptable. Once you break those, you're implicitly inviting others to do the same."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo what?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nMy country isn’t messed up enough for that to be realistic"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nDon't do political killings if you don't want to be a victim of a political killing yourself.\nIf you're a depressed incel who hates himself and wants to die, then do whatever you're gonna do."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Religious people kill more."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\noh, the isms. another theism and atheism religious nutcases thread. bye schizos."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd fuck her."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nmaoismkillcount.jpg"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nThe problem is that you don't make a strong secular case for it being immoral. You're essentially saying \"people don't want to be killed so it's immoral\".\nOkay? Children don't want to go to school yet we force them to, is that not immoral?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't you mean\n> What is the secular explanation for why anything is immoral ?\n?\nWhy would a secular explanation for why killing people with pain is immoral like \"because pain is bad\" be any more true or convincing than \"killing people without pain is immoral because killing people is bad\"\nor\n\"killing people without pain is immoral because I say so\"\nor\n\"killing people without pain is immoral because peanuts\"\n?\nWhy is pain bad from a secular point of view? Isn't that just as much of an unjustified assertion as \" homosexuality is bad\" or \"violating consent is bad\" ?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>The problem is that you don't make a strong secular case for it being immoral.\nWhy should I? Morality is a meme.\n>b-but [insert appeal to emotion]\nDon't care."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nmaoist here. convert lol."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe flame of the human species shouldnt relinquish"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>11\nhuh? what?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\n>>22\n>>4\n>>5\n>>8\n>>22\nhttps://link.springer.com/article/10.1017/S1745855208006066"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n>morals\n>secular\nLol. Lmao even."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\n>the goal of life is death\nIf that were true suicide would be more prelevant"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The only alt history scenario worth considering. Imagine how differently european history would play out if there was a burgundian state in between germany and france"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt one point in the 15th century one of the Dukes of Burgundy came very close to receiving the title of king from the Holy Roman Emperor, but the emperor died before it was made official and the Burgundians never came that close again. I would have to check my book on Burgundian history again for the details. Don´t know if my book even exists in any other language than Dutch but there are probably other good books about it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBurgundy was already a de facto seperate state from France."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be one of the mightiest realms in medieval Europe\n>lose to pike-wielding peasants\nCharles was an irreformable idiot. How can your reconnaissance fail not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES?!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe Bart van Loo one? I recently saw that one in an english bookstore. Also:\n\n>van Loo"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThats the point. If burgundy managed to last it would completely change history"}, {"id": 7, "content": "VGH THE REVIVAL OF VERDUN AND THE KINGDOM OF LOTHAIR"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nRichard Vaughn?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nIt was poor luck for Burgundy, it had its dumbest duke as a leader, while the French had one of their most clever monarchs."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThis one"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nOh Ive heard about this but havent read it yet"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nHow is it that all four books except the second one is on libgen"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nK"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nA title wouldn't have been enough to save them. Lotharingia was a kingdom and they still crumbled. The only way for them to survive is if they somehow manage to dominate either the French or the Germans and use their resources, but that still seems unlikely."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Bruhgundy"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Lotharingia was a kingdom\nbarely. It was Northern Italy and a Strip of land up until the lowlands. Hardly the same situation as the alps doesn't block the way"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBurgundy was doomed.\nThe dutch revolt would have been successful earlier due to it happening to a small kingdom rather than a global empire. The remaining rump of Burgundy would have been a pawn and battlefield of the Hapsburg and Valois, eventually being partitioned between France and Austria (or perhaps Prussia, depending on the time frame)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nWould the Dutch have revolted if they weren't being oppressed by the distant Spanish?\nThe Burgundians if anything cared more for the Low Countries than they did their homeland around Dijon."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>burgundy is the same as Spain\nShit tier analysis"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nI believe religious differences between the northern low countries and the southern Burgundian heartlands would have made a split inevitable. Also, the dukes tended to have their eyes south rather than north, recall that Charles died fighting the Swiss trying to enforce a claim on Alsace"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How could Europeans have prevented genociding the native americans with disease?\n\nSeems naive to act like they could have either\n\nA) known it would happen prior without knowledge of germ or virus theory\n\nB) somehow developed a vaccine and distributed it to the entire native population before contacting them"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe conquest of the Americas didn't involve genocide. Killing a vast number of people, whether intentionally or not, doesn't qualify as genocide unless there's a special intention (dolus specialis) to exterminate a given group. The Spanish didn't want to exterminate the native Americans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think simply having initial contact with Europeans being a slower, more gradual process, and without intensive colonization inland occupation following it, may have resulted in population collapses from diseases not being as intensive.\n\nHistorically, Cortes shows up, and over the course of that expedition, there happens to be an initial smallpox epidemic. People seem to think that instantly causes like the 90% to 95% population collapse in mesoamerica, but in reality that took another 80 years or so and multiple other epidemics, and it was Cortes's intial success that gave spain a fuck ton of resources, infanstructure, and manpower (since they know inherited the Aztec Empire) to actually pursue subsquent large scale campaigns elsewhere, and it was his success that convinced Spain to bother the effort was worth it.\n\nHad he failed, or had Spain otherwise decided to focus their efforts elsewhere, and it took many decades for Spanish expeditions to occur over a more limited extent that allowed for more limited disease transmission and for populations to recover from whatever plagues did happen (see: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110519091637.htm), then I think it's possible that maybe you'd only see a 20% or like a 60% population collapse rather then 90%.\n\n>>2\n\"The Conquest of the Americas\" includes dozens, if not hundreds of different conflicts and campaigns over multiple centuries.\n\nSOME of those campaigns didn't intentionally seek to eliminate or displace people on an ethnic basis, but some of them did. I wouldn't call the Siege of Tenochtitlan a genocide, but something like the mass-killing of bison and the displacement and attacks on Plains Indians very well could be considered a genocide."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe diseases didn't certainly kill 90% of the native American population for sure. Are you listening to yourself? You're saying that there was tenfold as much ethnicities on that continent before Europeans and the number that is known to exist to this day is already in the thousands. Cortez conquest of Mexico didn't kill much Natives either, most of Mexicans today have Native American descent. Neither did the conquest of Pizarro in Peru, the majority of Peruvians and Bolivians are Natives to this day. The smallpox crap is fake."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe problem was red man can't breed\n>oh no there are like 300 000 thousand of us how will we repopulate fast enough to compete with 10 million european migrants fleeing religious persecution\n>I CAN'T BREEEED"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>The diseases didn't certainly kill 90% of the native American population for sure\n\nI'm not super familiar with the demography of the whole landmass, but in Mesoamerica, a 20m to 25m population estimate for the whole region is what most researchers go with and I would consider pretty reasonable: Consider that the Valley of Mexico alone had 50 major cities, hundreds of other smaller towns and villages, and most of those 50 cities had between 10,000 and 20,000 denizens, which isn't just people talking out their ass but is going off of actual archeological excavations: The valley had at least like 750,000 to 1m people, some estimates go to 1.5m or 2m.\n\nAnd that's just one valley, less then 5% of Mesoamerica's total geographic expanse. Mind you, it's also the most densely populated valley, but it goes to show why the 20m estimate is very reasonable even as a mid range one. Other parts of Mesoamerica were still pretty damn densely populated.\n\nWith a 20m to 25m range, yes, there was a 90% to 95% population loss in Mesoamerica by 1600, based on Spanish censuses done then. I'm pretty sure a similar range is also accurate for the Americas as a whole, but again, I'm not as familar with the demographics involved\n\n>The smallpox crap is fake.\n\nAh, you're the spammer, nevermind then. Though I also don't mind clarifying more if you're willing to have a conversation."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nMexico today has a population if 125 million, 25% of wich consider themselves indigenous or part indigenous.\n125/4= 31 millions."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropeans couldnt have realistically have prevented a pandemic that would be devastating, but it only becamse as destructive as it was because it was coupled and connected to war, displacement, slavery, raiding, etc. that the european powers inflicted on the natives.\n>>2\nConsider the genocide in California or deliberate mass killing of bisons as >>3\nmentioned"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYeah, and? I'm not sure what your point there is.\n\nThat tracks with, say, \"The Native Population of the Americas in 1492\" coming to a figure of around 60m people for the whole landmass, which has only recently been recovered to in the past few decades."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nAgain the genocide shit. What is wrong is the act of mass murder which unintended and inevitable spread of disease wouldn't qualify as anyway. genocide is basically lumping in diversity and making the crime about eliminating 'diversity' rather than killing people. Mss killings less important than lumping in the event with le holohoax"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nAnd they got magically wiped out by a disease that magically spread through the whole continent. Not only that, the bodies of the Natives magically vanished too."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nmy ancestor :)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nOkay buddy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the purest examples of \"crush, rape, destroy\" in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "third punic war"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Tamerlane’s campaign into India."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOkamura's war policy against the Chinese in WW2 was literally \"Kill all. Burn all. Loot all.\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>After the war, Okamura was found not guilty of any war crimes in January 1949 by the Shanghai War Crimes Tribunal.[8] Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek then retained him as a military adviser for the Nationalist Government.[9]\n>The Nationalist regime of Chiang Kai-Shek intervened to protect Okamura from repeated American requests that he testify at the Tokyo war crimes trial.[11]\n>Okamura remained as an advisor to the Nationalist government until he was decommissioned in January 1949 and returned to Japan. He was active in the post-war era as advisor to the National Bereaved Family Support Association and also formed a group of retired military officers with Chinese experience called the \"Paidan\", which continued to provide informal support for the Chinese Nationalist government until his death in 1966.\nwhat in the absolute fuck."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAny of Tamerlane's wars. Turkics are inherently evil, so when they are born as mongrels like Tamerlane was, they lose whatever humanity they might have."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>and then one day for no reason at all Mao became the leader of China"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nThe Japanese implemented the three alls policy in every single theatre including in Vietnam in 1944 and the Philippines and against the Rohingya in Arakan state, Burma.\n\nMyanmar even copied Japan's tactics against Rohingya\n\nhttps://dailyasianage.com/news/84736/kill-all-burn-all-the-japanese-war-tactic-used-on-rhingyas\n\n>Phil Robertson, the Asia deputy director for Human Rights Watch, said the military operated on wartime Japan’s sanko seisaku tactics of “kill all, burn all, destroy all”.\n\n>“So the Tatmadaw target villages or areas that they suspect have a connection with insurgents and then punish everyone in it, essentially driving away the base of support for any insurgents they suspect might be there,” Robertson said.\n\n\nMalaysia, Philippines, Vietnam and Korea, and Inner Mongolia and Manchuria and Beijing (where most Manchus lived).\n\nJapan occupied less than one fifth of China and entire Han provinces like Shaanxi, Gansu, Sichuan, Guizhou, most of Yunnan, west Hubei, west Hunan, southern Jiangxi, interior Fujian never fell under Japanese rule.\n\nYou are all Japanese rapebabies. Han people are the only East Asian enemies if Japan not 100% occupied by Japan.\n\nJapanese rapebabies live in Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam.\n\nNot in Shaanxi, Sichuan, Gansu."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>8\nAccording to the Vietnamese communists themselves, Japanese soldiers mass raped Vietnamese women and girls in 1944-1945 while slaughtering men.\n\nTranslations on North Vietnamhttps://books.google.co.uk › books\n1971 · Vietnam (Democratic Republic)\nWherever they went , the Japanese forces burned down homes , murdered law - abiding citizens , raped women , and stole possessions , The \" san kuang ... (three alls)\n\nhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sTrcAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA9&lpg=RA2-PA9&dq=%22Wherever+they+went+,+the+Japanese+forces+burned+down+homes%22&source=bl&ots=LZK_Uau32R&sig=ACfU3U1IGFdWHi1oXPlGGsogUo-Tadb-UQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi18svl9fP3AhV2gnIEHc2vBVgQ6AF6BAgFEAM\nhttps://hung-viet.org/a5222/doi-thoai-nam-2000\n\nhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sTrcAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA9\n\nhttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zdloDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA61\n\nhttps://sg.news.yahoo.com/60-years-japan-army-husband-fled-vietnam-war-074526016.html\n\n\nhttps://indomemoires.hypotheses.org/23318\n\n\nhttp://www.endofempire.asia/0817-6-the-great-vietnam-famine-4/\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Famine_of_1945\n\nhttps://apjjf.org/2011/9/5/Geoffrey-Gunn/3483/article.html\n\nhttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/japans-role-in-the-vietnamese-starvation-of-194445/8A5205371AAECFB6D6CBE8AD7F70C41F\n\nhttps://japanesevietnam.weebly.com/vietnamese-famine-of-1945.html\n\nhttps://www.akg-images.com/archive/-2UMEBM2Y85NV.html\n\nhttps://quod.lib.umich.edu/t/tap/7977573.0003.202/--good-the-bad-and-the-not-beautiful-in-the-street?rgn=main;view=fulltext\n\nTons of Vietnamese women voluntarily spread their legs for Japanese soldiers and gave birth to Japanese fathered babies after the same Japanese starved and killed Vietnamese men.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9532705\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12864980/#q12867339\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12872981/#q12872981\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12781708/#q12781708"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>9\nSan Kuang = Three Alls\n\nVietnamese communist party themselves said Japan implemented full scale Three Alls (Sankuang) in Vietnam in 1944,and Japan occupied ALL of Vietnam, unlike China where entire Han provinces never came under Japanese occupation like Shaanxi, Sichuan, Gansu, Yunnan, Guizhou, west Hunan, West Hubei, west Fujian, south Jiangxi.\n\nAll of Indonesia was also occupied by Japan.\n\nJapan killed 4 million Indonesians and 2 million Vietnamese and did the rape of Manila in the Philippines in 1945 as well as the Arakan massacre against Rohingya in 1942.\n\nJapan raped countless Vietnamese, Indonesian and Rohingya girls and women."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>10\nJapanese soldiers raped and impregnated millions of Korean women in the Imjin war and killed 1 million Korean civilians.\n\nThe Japanese occupied and raped all of Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam and Korea, and Inner Mongolia and Manchuria and Beijing (where most Manchus lived).\n\nJapan occupied less than one fifth of China and entire Han provinces like Shaanxi, Gansu, Sichuan, Guizhou, most of Yunnan, west Hubei, west Hunan, southern Jiangxi, interior Fujian never fell under Japanese rule.\n\nYou are all Japanese rapebabies. Han people are the only East Asian enemies if Japan not 100% occupied by Japan.\n\nJapanese rapebabies live in Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam.\n\nNot in Shaanxi, Sichuan, Gansu."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>8\n4 million Indonesians were worked to death as brutal slave labor by Japan.\n\nhttps://apjjf.org/2016/01/4-Baird.html\n\nIndonesian Muslim Sunni girls taken as comfort women and raped by Japanese soldiers.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11729184/#q11729184\n\nIndonesian comfort women (these women are native Muslims, not Chinese)\n\nhttps://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2011/06/04/134271795/comfort-women-untold-stories-of-wartime-abuse\n\nThe Dutch refused to punish Japanese who raped Indonesian girls and let them off."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nTimur died while he was on his way to China and he never managed to invade China.\n\nTimur i Lang (Tamerlame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.\n\nThis is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.\n\nhttps://archive.is/IJQD0\n\nremove the . between just and paste to get the url.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98\n\nThey say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated. Iraqi Arabs are the rape children of Timur.\n\nAll Arab women were violated and raped by Turks, Mongols, Ethiopians, Persians, Armenians etc."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>13\nTimur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.\n\nAll Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>5\n70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.\n\nOver 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373\n\nAnd before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572\n\nJapanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>15\nThe US government funded Japanese unit 731 scientists to conduct biological germ tests on Japanese civilians after World War II.\n\nhttps://theguardian.newspapers.com/clip/122763034/postwar-japan-us-backed-japans-germ/\n\n\nFrom 1983 UK Observer scoop - \"Experiments on human guinea pigs by members of the Japanese germ warfare unit continued in Japan after the war with the help of secret funding from the American Government\""}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>11\nKoreans were mass raped by Japanese in the Imjin war."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>15\n>>16\nI reaffirm that wikispamming should carry an instant ban."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nName a single wiki link on any of the posts you responded to."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirst crusade. Siege of Antioch and Ma'arra. The frank is crude cannibalistic savage"}, {"id": 21, "content": "what triggers chinkspammer"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnother thread raped by the chinkspammer"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Glowies of 4chan,\nI would keep op on my watchlist I were you."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMoriori genocide"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>4\nThat's so cool."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\nThere is no such thing as \"good\" or \"evil\". There's only power."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nBased Franks"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Japanese gang raping Malay Sunni Muslim women.\n\nhttps://www.malaysiakini.com/news/4269\n\nNakahara also related the story of an elderly Malay woman who had been a sex slave at a comfort station. The woman said that \"... I worked like an animal, they did to me just as they liked. I had to obey their orders until the surrender\".\n\n\"Her daughter told me her mother has nightmares and cries in her sleep. She used to wander aimlessly after the bad dreams,\" said Nakahara.\n\n\"She told me herself that she begged God for pardon for the sins she had committed. She still suffers from her memory and her feeling of having sinned. It seems nobody in her village ever told her that it was not her sin at all,\" she added.\n\nNakahara said the woman was a faithful Umno member and she trusted the party would finally start negotiations with the Japanese government on compensation and an apology for the wartime atrocities.\n\n\"She had asked her daughter to write a letter for her. However, her long suffering was left unremedied,\" she said.\n\n\nJapanese soldiers raped countless Malay Muslim girls and women in British Malaya and British Borneo in World War II.\n\nhttps://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/arts/stirring-look-at-comfort-women-in-singapore\nhttps://m.malaysiakini.com/news/4269\nhttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/146727101760107442?journalCode=rcra20\n\nMalay UMNO youth leader Mustapha Yaakub brought up the topic of Malay Sunni Muslim comfort women in 1992 and encouraged Malay Muslim comfort women to tell their stories.\n\nJapan also handed over the Malay states of Kedah and Kelantan to Buddhist Theravada Thailand for the Thai to annex, not respecting Malay self determination.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Malaya\n\nJapan sided with Buddhists against Muslims in Thailand and Burma."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>15\nhow did I draw the ire of a spambot"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>4\n>>25\n>>28\nIn 1942, Japan raped, slaughtered and massacred tens of thousands of Rohingya women and children because they were Sunni Muslims.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arakan_massacres_in_1942\n\n>Imperial Japanese forces slaughtered, raped, and tortured Rohingya Muslims and Indian Muslims. They expelled tens of thousands of Rohingya into Bengal in British India. The Japanese committed countless acts of rape, murder and torture against thousands of Rohingyas.[9] During this period, some 22,000 Rohingyas are believed to have crossed the border into Bengal, then part of British India, to escape the violence. Defeated, 40,000 Rohingyas eventually fled to Chittagong after repeated massacres by the Japanese forces.\n\n\nAfter the end of World War II, Japan consistently maintained relations with right wing Myanmar's junta and refused to sanction Myanmar instead backing them against Rohingya. A Japanese diplomat denied Myanmar committed any atrocities against Rohingyas.\n\n>Japan's Defense of Myanmar and the Rohingya Genocide\n\nhttps://www.mei.edu/publications/japans-defense-myanmar-and-rohingya-genocide"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunpopular answer: Nazi Germany\njust rea dwhat Dirlewanger did, he was Mongol tier if not worser. At least Mongols spared women after raping them, i assume, and only killed grown up men."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nOnly modern day isntance of destruction of a WHOLE city i know is from Nazi Germany too, Nazi Getmany completely destroyed Warsaw and it got completely destroyed with all detected remainers either sent to camps, had to move away or expelled to somewhere else.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw\nLiteral Mongol or Timur tier, i dont know if any other modern military can come near"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nBased Nazis"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nyeah, based blonde Mongols. they saved the west by raping it"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThere is no \"west\". Just say white people land."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nwhy nazis hated white heritage and tried to destroy it?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's pretty funny how men cant stop wanting to give free sex to women and making them cum for free lol\n\nimagine spending your life hating men and putting women on pedestal lol"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n\"White people\" are a diverse bunch and there's no particular reason to be loyal to \"white people\" at large when there's more immediate categories like ethnicity."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\n>Japan raped, slaughtered and massacred tens of thousands of Rohingya women and children because they were Sunni Muslims\n\nAnd that is good thing."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>19\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Famine_of_1945\nretard"}, {"id": 41, "content": "The aryan invasion of south asian dravidian apes"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>13\n>raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.\n\nHot asf"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRaped. Shaved. Enslaved."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nShut up mordvix, this is the chinkchad's thread"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nhttps://www.ijhssi.org/papers/vol7(3)/Version-3/G0703033642.pdf\n>Iraq is the country greatly affected by Turkish terms. The dialect of Iraq during the previous centuries was influenced by the Persian, English, Sumerian and Turkish languages. Iraq, like all other Arab countries, has its own dialects which are almost identical.\n\nIraqi Arab prostitutes services white men in Jordan. Allahu Akbar. Allah has decreed this الحمدلله على كل حال. الحمدلله على كل شيء\n\nhttps://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a1810/iraqi-refugees-prostitutes-sex/\n>The crowning irony among many of the women I met: Their best clients in Amman are American and European military personnel and contractors — the same sort of men they had worked for as translators and fixers. Now they are servicing them in a different way altogether.\n\n>Samara is a 23-year-old from the Diyala province in eastern Iraq. She spends several nights a week at the Cottage (or the disco at the Holiday Inn, or the Hyatt) to make enough money to last a few days. She wears short skirts, drinks, smokes, flirts.\n\n>Later, as she sits on the edge of the coffee table in my hotel room, it's hard to picture her as a nightclub denizen. She has long, dark hair and a round face that barely moves when she talks — her eyebrows don't furrow; her chin never stiffens. She is almost completely still, except for when she drops her head and stares at her lap. She explains that since she moved to Amman in 2006, she has slept with \"British men, Americans, Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians. God knows how many.\" She has been pregnant, and sold a thin gold necklace, her only piece of jewelry, to pay for the abortion. \"I love children,\" she says. \"I would love to have children someday.\"\n\n\nhttps://archive.is/tiNq0\n>Iraqi arabs will have 70% turkish ancestry talking about we wuz babylonians like girl get your ass back to mongolia along with the other turks…"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>45\nArabs in Iraq. Spawn of millenia of rape by Turco-Mongols (Seljuqs, Ottomans, Afsharids, Mongol Ilkhanate, Jalayarids, Safavid Qizilbash Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu, Qara Qoyunlu), Indo-Europeans (Persians, Armenians, Americans), Kavkazis (Georgians) and Han Chinese people.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#10252672\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\n\n\nImagine being such a subhuman that both Armenians and Turks consider you filth and raped your ancestors. Assyrians, Armenians and Turks all consider Iraqi Sunni Arabs to be subhuman irredeemable filth.\n\nLike this subhuman Iraqi Sunni Muslim Arab Islamist who is a slave of the Turks.\n\n>>unknown\nCheck how much Armenian DNA you have mongrel.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WV6xyqWu6A [Embed]\n\nhttps://meaningfulworld.com/our-work/un/sexualized-violence-against-iraqi-women-by-us-occupying-forces\n\nIraqi Sunni Muslim Arab woman raped by American.\n\nIraqi Sunni Arab girls have been raped by Hulagu's Mongols, Jalayarid Mongols,, Timur's Turco-Mongols, Shia Twelver Qara Qoyunlu Turkmen, Aq Qoyunlu Turkmen, Safavids and Ottoman Turks and Georgian Mamluks."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>>46\n>>unknown\nEven Saudi Arabians agree that Iraqi Arabs are the world's most raped mystery meat. The Saudi Iranic Balochi Mansur al-Balushi made this rape chart for Irakis showing how Iraqis have been raped for 2,600 years and Iraqi \"Arabs\" are mystery meat mongrels. And his Saudi Arab followers are cheering him, a Baluchi (Iranic) on as he insults Iraqi Arabs. You are worthless scum to Saudis\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10929965/#q10930979\n\nAnd western journalists and historians agree Baghdad and Iraq is the most raped place on earth and Iraqis are the most raped mystery meat people\n\nhttps://archive.is/FKcFz\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/jun/20/baghdad-iraq-psychological-toll-worlds-most-attacked-city\n\n>Baghdad: the psychological toll of being the world’s most attacked city\n\n>For more than a thousand years the population of the Iraqi capital has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter\n\n>No city on earth has been attacked as often, or as brutally, as Baghdad. Once again, the residents of the Iraqi capital are bracing for another possible invasion, with the jihadist forces of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) less than 50 miles north of Baghdad at the time of writing. For a force that is supposed to number only several thousand, Isis gains in Iraq have taken the world by surprise, turning old certainties on their head and prompting the US and Iran to think the unthinkable and cooperate on Iraq.\n\n>But for the city that is next on the Isis target list, the once glorious capital of the Islamic empire, the sight of a foreign army at the gates is all too familiar. Over the past 13 centuries, Baghdad’s population has been subject to rape, torture and indiscriminate slaughter, with terrible consequences: on the city’s physical infrastructure, on religious convictions, and above all, perhaps, on the minds of the long-suffering Baghdadis.\n\nIt's a list of everyone who raped Iraq in chronological order"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\n>>unknown\nMongols were raped and enslaved by Han Chinese centuries before Genghis was born.\n\nHan Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.\n\nIf Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Anatolia and Aleppo and conquered and raped Romania and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Romania to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids.\n>>>/k/50520707\n\n\n>>>/k/50520718\n>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.\n\n>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048\n\n>>>/k/48235048\n\n>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.\n\n\nSince conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>48\n1. Manchus aren't nomads. They are farmers.\n\n2. Nomads like Mongols are midgets and are darker and shorter than northern Han. Manchus are also shorter than average than Northern Han.\n\n3. The surname Hu originated among Han.\n\n>According to tradition, the Hu (胡) surname has several historical origins. First, Hu could derive from the family of Duke Hu of Chen. King Wu of Zhou (r. 1046-043 BCE) enfeoffed his son-in-law Gui Man 媯滿 (supposedly a descendant of the legendary sage king Emperor Shun) with the state of Chen (in modern Henan Province). His posthumous name was Duke Hu, and some of his descendants adopted Hu as their surname. Second, Hu could derive from two Zhou vassal states named Hu 胡, one located near Luohe (Henan Province) or another near Fuyang (Anhui Province)."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nYou forgot to tell the Turco-Mongol Iraqi rapebaby that Arabs are full of surnames like Ajami (non-Arab) and Turkish surnames like Bayraqdar and Khashoggi from centuries of Arab women getting raped and impregnated."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\nShatuo cucks served Tang China in raping Uyghurs like proud uncle toms."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\nThe Shatuo dynasties weren't founded by conquest, one Shatuo chief was adopted as prince by the Tang Emperor for helping rape and kill Uyghurs and when the Tang dynasty fell, the Shatuo just claimed to legally continue the Tang dynasty in their fief.\n\nThe Shatuo family of Later Tang also adopted the Han Wang Congke (Li Congke) as prince and he was last Emperor of Later Tang."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\nMongols are shorter than Han Chinese.\n\nMongols (Outer Mongolia) and Manchus (Beijing) are both midgets compared to Shandong Han (Shandong and most of Jilin, Heilongjiang and Liaoning are filled with Shandong Han settlers).\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country\n\nGenghis Khan purged tall Mongol men when he was uniting Mongol tribes.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_against_the_linchpin\n\n>Genghis Khan used this brutal method against Jamukha's coalition of tribes in 1202. All male captives were forced to walk beside a wagon wheel. If their heads were higher than the linchpin (a pin inserted at the end of the axle) they were immediately executed. The wagon wheel was a large wheel used to transport yurts and other goods. This technique was probably used to preempt against revenge attacks that were common between tribes at this time. If one tribe were to attack another, there was always the possibility that there would be a revenge attack soon after. By eliminating the older males, there was less chance of a counterattack from tribes that were in perpetual conflict due to centuries of distrust and robbery.\n\nThis picture of tall nomads are actually Kazakhs, not Mongols. Kazakhs are literally mongrel mutt rapebabies of Mongol men raping Turkic Kipchak Cuman Indo-European Caucasian women. Kazakhs have paternal Mongol Y Haplogroup C2 while they have maternal Indo-European Caucasian mtdna haplogroups.\n\nA Kazakh is to a Mongol as to what a Mestizo Latino Hispanic is to a Spaniard. They got their paternal ancestry from violent conquest and rape of the local women so their maternal ancestry is different but their paternal is the same."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\nThese are ethnic Kazakhs, not Mongols who are midgets."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>42\n>>44\n>>unknown\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\nUyghur Y DNA."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which ancient civilization is the best?\n(If you choose another civilization, it must be from 3000 BC to 500 AD)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoman.\nThe Chinese recognized them as their superiors (referring to them as \"Daqin\" ie literally \"the greater Chinese\") and the Romans conquered the Greeks rather easily."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreece. Nobody has had such impact on philosophy ever since."}, {"id": 4, "content": "roman\nbest infrastructure and architecture"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome obviously mogs the Greeks into oblivion\nI don't know enough about ancient China to have a firm opinion about it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome and its not even close.\n\nEven if you pretend the Romans never invented anything and just copied the Greeks, that stuff would never have (or only after a lot longer) reached Western Europe. The world would be unimaginably different if not for Western Europeans and we have Rome to thank for it all. Roman legacy is so utterly pervasive that you don't even see it."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Egypt"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nColchis"}, {"id": 9, "content": "There is no proof Rome has ever existed."}, {"id": 10, "content": "IF U SAID OTHER CIV. GIVE REASONS OF WHY THAT CIV. IS THE BEST"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina by virtue of still being around"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Sumer because UD REAAAA"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Israel"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n大 just means great, not greater."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nEuropeans were eating shit in caves before greeks fucked them in the ass, they wouldve had to have gotten in touch with their civilization anyway, romans dont matter"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBritain, France and Germany were a far cry from Greece. If the Romans hadn't have gone around civilising it would have taken an age for those ideas to have travelled to the far corners of the continent. The Greek colony of Massalia was around since the 6th century BC (!) yet we didn't see Gauls adopting Hellenic culture and civilisation. It took the Romans a century or so to Romanise the entire place, and lead to France being the most populous and developed nation throughout all the Middle Ages and their power lasting up to this very day."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\n>>14\nDe means honorable. Germany is referred to as Da Guo (honorable nation)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nWhat comic is this even from? I see this image all the time. Is it about a Superman who is also a NeoPlatonist?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWhy would they fully adopt Hellenic culture lmao? They had their own culture and where in the progress of changing into a Kingdom/State"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>The Chinese recognized them as their superiors (referring to them as \"Daqin\" ie literally \"the greater Chinese\")\n\nThat's not what Daqin means.\n>https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/hhshu/notes11.html\n\nTo begin with: Han Dynasty-era Chinese did not call themselves \"Qin.\" They called their state \"Han,\" after the incumbent dynasty, and their ethnocultural identity, \"Huaxia\" or \"Hua.\" There's also \"Zhongguo (The Central State)\" but at the time this refers to the realm directly ruled by the Huangdi (Emperor) and not the name of the country/people, differentiating it from the Tributaries and Barbarians. By this period, the old Pre-unity states like Qin, Zhao, Wei, Shu, Wu, Lu, Qi etc, became feudal titles.\n\n2nd: Rome's 1st Chinese name coined only by only one man- Ambassador/Explorer Zhang Qian- and this is what he has to say about them.\n>...If there are unexpected calamities in the kingdom, such as frequent extraordinary winds or rains, he (the Roman King) is unceremoniously rejected and replaced. The one who has been dismissed quietly accepts his demotion, and is not angry. The people of this country are all tall and honest. *They resemble the people of the Middle Kingdom and that is why this kingdom is called Da Qin.*\nThe Chinese have a habit of naming unknown admirable people after historic pre-unity states, based usually on their direction and qualities. The Romans -to the Chinese- resembled the old Qin state for their warlike behavior. Since they seem to be a bigger version of the Qin, they get called Daqin (Great Qin, or more exactly Big Qin).\n\nThey admired them, but did not call them superior. They thought they were similar.\n\nIts a name that didn't wasnt used that often. A century after Zhang Qian, the Chinese called Romans as Lijian (From a mistaken assumption that Alexandria is Rome) and later on Fulin (from the Greek \"Polis\") referring to the city of Constantinople. These were more common names to refer to the Romans."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Fumiko Kaneko (1903 – 1926) was a Japanese anarchist and nihilist. She was convicted of plotting to assassinate members of the Japanese Imperial family.\n>In her testimony at her trial, she explained that she and Pak \"thought of throwing a bomb [at the emperor] to show he too will die like any other human being,\" and rejected \"the concepts of loyalty to the emperor and love of nation\" as \"simply rhetorical notions that are being manipulated by the tiny group of privileged classes to fulfill their own greed and interests.\"[24] Initially, this rejection of the emperor system may have led her to believe in an alternative political system, but after seeing the way members of other groups behaved, she came to believe that any leader, whether the emperor, or other government officials, or a completely new government under socialists, would equally abuse power dynamics and oppress the people. For her, \"[revolution] simply means replacing one authority with another,\" and since she believed that no system of authority could or would operate without oppression, it is logical that she eventually directed her activities towards abolishing all authority.[25] Though she believed, in line with nihilistic thought, that it was not possible to cure the evils in the world, her actions as an anarchist reflect her belief that \"even if we cannot embrace any social ideals, every one of us can find some task that is truly meaningful to us. It does not matter whether our activities produce meaningful results or not… this would enable us to bring our lives immediately in to harmony with our existence.\"[25]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Jacques Rigaut (1898 – 1929) was a French surrealist poet. Born in Paris, he was part of the Dadaist movement. His works frequently talked about suicide and he came to regard its successful completion as his occupation. In 1929 at the age of 30, as he had announced, Rigaut shot himself, using a ruler to be sure the bullet would pass through his heart.[1]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni could have fixed her"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nyes"}, {"id": 5, "content": "This entire article is pretty crazy\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegalism"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The Brabant Killers\n>At least 3 guys start doing random store robberies and random killings in Belgium\n>Sometimes they steal money, sometimes random food items, sometimes they take nothing.\n>Sometimes they kill people, sometimes they don't\n>They usually use guns but sometimes show up with Medieval weapons\n>At one robbery they literally wait outside for cops to show up, then kill the cops and leave\n>At their last attack, they attack a store and kill and wound dozens of people. They were wearing monster masks and roaring while they did it. After this attack, they vanish and never attack again\nSome people think they were a part of Operation Gladio. Some people think they were commies, since one guy they killed was a known far-right activist. Some people think they were Satanists, since most of their attacks coincided with Satanic holidays. And some people think they're connected to Dutroux, since their 2 first murders were of people whose names later appeared in Dutrouxs' files."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Bump..."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nBased."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Rigaut shot himself, using a ruler to be sure the bullet would pass through his heart\nPretty boy didn’t want to wreck his face. Hilarious"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nNow that's interesting"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsounds like a giant whore who burnt everyone she came into contact with. Yeah, yeah in her autobiography she says everyone was mean to her, but if a person believes everyone in teh world is shitty, its because they themselves are shitty."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">nihilist\nHmmm"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Philipp Mainländer was a poet and philosopher mainly known for his magnum opus \"The Philosophy of Redemption\" (Die Philosophie der Erlösung), a work marked by a profound pessimism that he had published just before his suicide in 1876. For Theodor Lessing, it is \"perhaps the most radical system of pessimism known to philosophical literature\"\n>The Will to death, which is an inverted form of Schopenhauer's Will to live, is the principle of all existence ever since the origin of the world.\n>annihilation constitutes the only \"salvation\" of being, its only possibility of \"redemption\". For Mainländer, life itself has no value\n>the whole world is nothing more than \"the rotting body of God\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>if a person believes everyone in teh world is shitty, its because they themselves are shitty.\nshameless flaunting of privilege. you are what's wrong with the world."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFinally a chance to post my chinese chuds.\n\n>“Kill! Kill! Kill!... Advance en masse: kill the foreign devils, kill the Christian converts who surrender to the foreign devils! If the Manchus help the foreigners kill us, then first kill all the Manchus... Advance, kill! Advance, kill! Advance, kill! Kill! Kill!”\n\nChen Tianhua's pamphlet \"alarm bell\".\n\n>After receiving the shengyuan degree in 1902, Chen was sponsored by the academy to study in Japan in 1903 on a government scholarship. He became a radical politician soon after\n>In response to Russian and Japanese imperialism in Manchuria, he used his blood to write a few dozen letters that were distributed in schools in China.\n>He integrated traditional values into a pattern of racial unity in his pamphlets. He argued that men are close only to people of their own family, and that when two families fight, one only assists one's own family.\n>He argued that the Han race was one big family, and that the Yellow Emperor is the great ancestor. All those who were not Han were from exterior families.\n>Kin terms were infused into racial rhetoric that called for emotional expressions. \"Racial feeling begins at birth. For the members of one's own race, there is surely mutual intimacy and love: for the members of a foreign race, there is surely mutual savagery\"\n>He committed suicide in Tokyo Bay by drowning himself to protest against Japanese restrictions imposed on the activities of Chinese students in December 1905."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Wikipedia doesn't have a lot of info about him but I recommend reading about Albert Caraco.\nA nihilistic philosopher and polyglot who wrote in several languages simultaneously to flex on plebs, meaning his books are supposedly untranslateable. He was an antisemitic Jew, avid misogynist, racist and misanthrope who almost never left his room during his adult life and basically waited for his parents to die so he can kill himself (which he did eventually).\nHe had a mental breakdown after his mother's death, never had sex (except a street whore he \"paid to overpower\") and burned and cut his penis out of spite"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>he advocated “genocide [of] the five million and more of the furry and horned Manchu race, cleansing ourselves of 260 years of harsh and unremitting pain, so that the soil of the Chinese subcontinent is made immaculate, and the descendants of the Yellow Emperor will all become Washingtons.”\n\n>Zou was sent to Japan at an early age, where he studied and observed Japanese modernization.\n>When he returned to China, he started to write essays on how to free the Chinese nation from the Manchu regime and foreign imperialism. In 1903, he published a book on this topic: The Revolutionary Army.\n>The deeply patriotic book, informed by Republicanism and Social Darwinist racial theories, was widely read and had a profound influence on the revolutionary movement.\n>For Zou, the Manchu were the source of China's inability to overcome traditional obstacles for modern reforms. Moreover, he condemned China's traditional monarchical system, which had made the Han Chinese \"slaves\" rather than \"citizens.\"\n>He was also influenced by racialist Han ideology, as evidenced in his distaste for the Manchu governing class\n>These seemingly liberal ideals were underpinned by a potentially genocidal ethnic nationalism; it was not the liberty of the individual, but the sovereignty of the ethnic nation-state (\"A man cannot live without his country\") that formed the foundations for the Republic of China as envisioned by Zou Rong.\n>he fell ill while incarcerated and died in April 1905 at the age of 20."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat exactly is edgy about any of that."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\ncontinued from another source:\n\n>Zou’s piece is deeply informed by social Darwinist racial thought: “The world has white and yellow races. This is a state of\nnature which enables men of ability and intelligence to compete with each other in the process of evolution... so that the fittest may survive. The love of people for their own race is due to the need for consolidation against outside forces.”\n\n>Reasoning in this vein, Zou produced a “scientific” taxonomy of the races of Asia and concluded that “the Han race is the most outstanding race in\nEast Asian history—that is the race of my fellow countrymen.”\n\n>This led him to attack the hegemony of “the Tungusic race,” the Manchus: “Ah! Our Han race, isn’t that the race which can make our motherland strong?... Is it not the great race of a great people? Alas! The Han race, although made up of so many, have become merely the slaves of another race... The Han race are nothing but the loyal and submissive slaves of the Manchus.”\n\n>Zou argued that the Chinese are a people without history: “The so-called Chinese history of twenty-four dynasties is nothing but a history of slaves. Those who were formerly the loyal subjects of the Jin, Yuan, and Qing dynasties have gone; now there are those who have become the loyal subjects of Britain, France, Russia, and America. The reason for this is that the people have no ethnocentric or national ideas; thus they can do things humiliating to our ancestors, the men becoming robbers and the women prostitutes.”\n\n>Zou concludes, “consider it as necessary as your daily food.” Kill the emperor, the Manchus, and all the foreign oppressors. In this orgy of bloodshed “the shame of the nation will be washed clean.”"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nshe wasnta a nihilist, a nihilist would not care, she was disappointed the emperor could not defeat nihilism.\nbut she wasnt a nihilist.\nby a nihilist I mean someone who is apathetic, the emperor could not divinely command someone to care."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Liu Shipei was a philologist, Chinese anarchist, and revolutionary activist. While he and his wife, He Zhen were in exile in Japan he became a fervent nationalist.\n>In Tokyo, Liu and his wife joined a group of revolutionaries who became convinced of the doctrines of anarchism.\n>Liu and the group in Tokyo were less interested in technology and progress. They respected Taoist laissez-faire thinkers who opposed government intervention in society.\n\n>Liu Shipei invested his own reading of Wang with newer social Darwinist theories of race war. he picked up on Wang’s theme that, following successive waves of northern barbarian invasion, the authentic Chinese race and culture had migrated to the south.\n\n>Borrowing the Germanic notion of volksgeist (national spirit) as mediated through the Meiji Japanese kokusai (national essence), Liu and his colleague, the classicist-racist Zhang Binglin, posited a similar “national essence” of the Han Chinese that had been systematically suppressed for centuries under Manchu rule.\n\n>At Shanghai in 1903, at age nineteen, he founded the National Essence Journal and published a series of volumes aiming to recover these hidden transcripts—essays, poems, paintings, calligraphy—that embodied the true Han “national soul” and would inspire his people in their racial struggle against the Manchus."}, {"id": 22, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sickles\n>Young man in New York, tutored by Lorenzo da Ponte, who seduced women with Casanova and wrote operas with Mozart\n>marries his granddaughter\n>as a diplomat brings the most notorious prostitute in New York to Queen Victoria’s court\n>elected to Congress\n>keeps fucking around so wife decides to get some action, takes up with Francis Scott Key’s son\n>Sickles shoots Key dead in the streets of Washington\n>trial of the century, Sickles walks with a temporary insanity plea\n>disgraced and out of office as the Civil War kicks off\n>somehow gets a general’s commission, does well, promoted\n>at Gettysburg, advances his corps beyond Union lines, almost blows the battle, gets leg shot off\n>while recovering, does seances in the White House with Mary Todd Lincoln\n>back in diplomatic corps, seduces the young Queen of Spain\n>re-elected to Congress, embezzles funds intended for Civil War monuments\n>visits his leg in museum\n>marries much younger woman\n>dies in 1914, hounded by creditors"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBump4moar"}, {"id": 24, "content": "More of a psychopath than an edgelord but whatever\n\nGrigory Zass\n>Russian Imperial general\n>for whatever reason hates circassians with a passion\n>appointed as chief commander and given full authority during the Russo-Circassian War\n>proceed to exterminate as much circassians he can\n>\"Zass considered Circassians to be subhumans inferior to the \"European Race\", particularly Germans and Russians. The only way to deal with the Circassians, in his opinion, was to scare them away \"just like wild animals\". He kept a box under his bed with his collection of severed Circassian body parts.\n>\"Zass advocated ruthless military methods predicated on this notion, including burning people alive, cutting off heads for enjoyment, burning populated villages to the ground, spreading epidemics on purpose, and mass rape of children\"\n>\"It is estimated that 70% of the East Circassian population died in the process\"\n>\"In 2003, the Russian Federation controversially erected his statue on former Circassian territories where the Circassian genocide occurred\"\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zass#Russo-Circassian_War"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\n>>17\n>>21\nbased, I dare say"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\n>>17\n>>19\nI feel this nigga is reincarnated as the resident chinkspammer lol"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\n>>16\nLiterally me fr fr"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Bumping for role models"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>3\nfixed her aim?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>14\njust a pro-tip, asking what \"most people are like\" are how personality assessments determine the character of a person. Someone who thinks \"most people\" steal from their employer, or w/e will do it themselves."}, {"id": 31, "content": "The \"Monster with 21 Faces\" case was pretty creepy\n>in 1980s Japan, the CEO of food company Ezaki Glico gets kidnapped in front of his family by a mysterious supervillain group called \"Monster with 21 Faces\" and is held for ransom, but manages to escape\n>soon cars in the company's parking lot are being set on fire, while the Monster starts sending taunting letters saying they had poisoned Glico's candies, leading to the company pulling $21 million worth of products off the shelves\n>letters are sent in containers with hydrochloric acid; in them the Monster details where they found the acid, what type of typewriter they used, etc., the police are still unable to find them after scouring the entire country\n>the Monster send an \"I'm sorry\" letter to Glico and turn to the rival company Morinaga\n>21 packages laced with sodium cyanide show up, politely labeled \"Contains Toxins\"\n>the police thinks they caught a glimpse of the group's mastermind (whom they dub \"The Fox-Eyed Man\") during a money drop\n>they spot him again in a car later during a sting operation, finding a radio transceiver he had been using to listen into police communications\n>a police superindependent felt so disgraced by being outmaneuvered by the Monster that he killed himself by self-immolation\n>the Monster, never having been caught, released a letter mocking the dead man and announced they would stop torturing food corporations, taking the entire thing as a childish game:\n\"We are bad guys. That means we've got more to do other than bullying companies. It's fun to lead a bad man's life.\n\n- Monster with 21 Faces.\""}, {"id": 32, "content": "East Asia Anti-Japan Armed Front (EAAJAF).\nBasically proto-woke '70s Japanese radical terrorists who hated Japan and wanted its destruction because Japanese people had oppressed Koreans, Ainus and other minorities. The EAAJAF targeted Japanese corporations with bombing campaigns and was then BTFO by police"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>6\n100% Gladio Op that went completely off the rails.\nThere is no way the events make sense without them being glowies. How in fuck did they know the secret location evidence was being kept? Why would the evidence lockers keep the windows not only unlocked BUT OPEN for them to climb through? How did they know about the secret new armor in development? Where did they get ammunition only avaliable to special forces?\nRemember, NATO has just before, trained WNP Far-right psychopaths in the UK and dropped them back into Belgium to go around and shoot police, these were called SDRAVIII, Brabant was only a step up from that and with the other events, it's pretty clear these guys were WNP/SDRAVIII."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\n>“Kill! Kill! Kill!... Advance en masse: kill the foreign devils, kill the Christian converts who surrender to the foreign devils! If the Manchus help the foreigners kill us, then first kill all the Manchus... Advance, kill! Advance, kill! Advance, kill! Kill! Kill!”\n\nConsidering the Manchu's basically ruined China and were totalitarian psychos who literally had the \"only one haircut allowed\" rule, and Christians were literally mass sex trafficking children in China. Based."}, {"id": 35, "content": "70s black American radicals included various psychopathic schizos. There's Eldridge Cleaver who thought raping white women is a heroic revolutionary act, and Amiri Baraka, who penned this:\n>Most American white men are trained to be fags. For this reason it is no wonder their faces are weak and blank ... The average ofay [white person] thinks of the black man as potentially raping every white lady in sight. Which is true, in the sense that the black man should want to rob the white man of everything he has. But for most whites the guilt of the robbery is the guilt of rape. That is, they know in their deepest hearts that they should be robbed, and the white woman understands that only in the rape sequence is she likely to get cleanly, viciously popped.[75]"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Lu Bu. I mean does he need any introduction?\n>Gigachad of Antiquity\n>Get go fight for some Warlord.\n>See they have a hot wife\n>Cuck your boss, then betray and kill him\n>Move onto the next warlord\n>Rinse repeat.\n>Eventually do this to every Warlord in China so they all team up.\n>They literally rerout a river and drown an entire city just because they're all scared of facing you."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>6\n>>33\nthe thing that always strikes me is how people see some big and complex plot with dozens of actors behind de bende van nijvel, dutroux ect. And one that has managed to stay hidden en tie up all lose ends\nfor Christs sake it's not some glowie CIA shit if you follow belgian news for a week you'd see that frankly our gouvernment and elites are to incompetent to pull shit like this of never mind keep it hidden.\nOur secret service and military intelegance until just a few years ago with the brussels bombings would just stop doing everything in the weekends. As in if you wanted to report something between friday 4 o clock and monday at around 11 you'd just a get a voicemail message telling you to call back.\nif you'd live here or have lived trough that time or read any of the primary sources than one thing that would become clear is that it was a mess of incompetance and petty infighting (and frankly it hasn't change much)\n\nas for the gladio nutjobs, a) the cold war was over b) the only source for this is a british commie going \"trust me some guy told me\""}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>21\n>>19\n>>17\n>>15\nH-H-He's literally me!!"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\nHe was lauded for decades for writing stuff like this and became poet laureate of New Jersey, then was cancelled for a “Jews did 9/11” line in one of his poems. His son is currently the mayor of Newark."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nWhat gladio was, in reality, is NATO would give \"anti-Communists\" fucktonnes of training and weapons, and tell them to basically wait, for the time, to hunt down and kill communists.\nWho were the \"anti-communists\" partisans willing to do this? Far-Right groups and Organised Crime. So that is who they trained and armed.\nSDRAVIII isn't just a \"conspiracy\" we have the documentation, they were literally trained in the UK, were involved in NATO training operations and exercises, then when returned to Belgium, they went around shooting up police stations. Why? Who knows, but there was some clear glowie shit happening, either score settling or whatever.\nBrabant is what happens when you have insane glowie adjacent criminals, given training, funding and a license to kill. It's also clear they had some sort of larger goal as they weren't thieves from the places they attacked, and the stuff they stole, they couldn't have possibly known about if they were just some rando gang. It's clear they were working with elements of either the Gendarmerie or Intelligence.\nLike tell me right now, where do you think they are developing new body armour for military and police? Who the fuck knows? How in fuck did these guys know? How did they know the secret location where evidence was being kept?\nIt's very interesting to note, while the official investigation found no links to the CIA, they official investigation also requested the Government set up a commission to monitor all CIA covert operations within the country. Which sounds like \"oh they didn't do it WINK WINK\""}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nMost proposed conspiracies unravel when you realize that those in them would make more profit for exposing it than being part of the conspiracy.\nBut for shit like DuTroux or Gladio in Belgium, the potential conspiracy is so clear and the profit to be made as part of it is so large, that it is just obvious some shit is going down. But because of the above, it is as tight as a coffin."}, {"id": 42, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>3\nhonestly what is wrong with her is even hotter"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>5\n>John Henry Mackay\n>pedo anarchist\nkek"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>35\nPathetic life of an subhuman"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>31\n>Pass away recently\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manabu_Miyazaki"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>24\nSome alive & kicked\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherkesogai"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why'd they do it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey most likely expected the surrender to turn into cobelligerence and wanted to deny all assets they could to the allies.\nJust look at bongs firing on the french navy after the frogs surrendered, in spite of the peace treaty leaving the navy under full french control and declaring Vichy France neutral rather than part of the axis."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>neutral\n>all while the Germans occupy your Atlantic ports and use them to wage war on Britain\nnice \"\"\"neutrality\"\"\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat's the point, they expected the allies to treat italian military assets and bases the same way as the germs treated the frogs'.\nPerfectly reasonable behaviour honestly, the italians expected it to happen and had asked the allies for air support before the attack.\nNeedless to say, air support never arrived."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nthey were both the right moves, Britain did not know what the outcome of the war would be after France capitulated and likewise things had taken a turn for the worse for Germany by 1944, they were in a state of total war and willing to do anything and everything to give themselves an advantage"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe Roma was sunk in september 1943, but yeah it was an obvious move."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\noh shit, this is why you check your facts instead of being a smartass"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nFor fun."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would korea be like if the reds won?\nWould they still go full juche or become just another eastern block state?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Juche developments were mostly the result of North Korea developing a (somewhat warranted) siege mentality. With a quick victory, Kim probably remains somewhat orthodox in his Marxism-Leninism, but still tries to play both sides in the Sino-Soviet split. Hard to say where it goes from there."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>somewhat warranted) siege mentality\nName one state that the US promised cooperation with and then betrayed.\nAnd don't bring up that tired old Libya/Yemen/Serbia/Palestine/Syria/Iraq shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSarcasm or legit thought?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt was a play on the \"what does 2+2 equal, and don't say 4\" meme"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\ni think it he may be retarded"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould probably be a wealthy and developing country like China and Vietnam today."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think they would look like Vietnam or Cambodia today. They wouldn't be as isolationist and hermetic as OTL South Korea because of the lack of paranoia about invasion\n\nThey'd probably be an eastern despotic state closed off to the outside world until the 90s when they'd slowly start to liberalise and trade with the West."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDunno"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Juche Paradise"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">What would korea be like if the reds won?\nNot as bad as North Korea but not as prosperous and South Korea\nBasically just more of whatever China is"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nAfghanistan most recently"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJuche wont exist since there's no reason for permanent paranoia & readiness to fight.\n\nIt'll probably just be China 2.0 like Communist Vietnam."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically US-aligned, like Vietnam, to counterbalance Chinese influence."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be a better Vietnam, because it would have had a 20 year head start and its early industry and buildings wouldn't have all been razed to the ground by the US while also being less economically affected by the USSR collapse than Vietnam due to staying neutral in the sino-soviet split (why Vietnam didn't is still beyond me)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>why Vietnam didn't is still beyond me\nVietnamese and Chinese are natural enemies. Like Japanese and Chinese, or Indians and Chinese, or Chinese and other Chinese. Damn Chinese, they ruined China."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Nazis murder a million Gypsies when they're indo-aryan?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey speak an Aryan language, but racially they're mixed with Iranian and AASI (like all Indians). It's like saying \"why did Hitler hate Jews if Yiddish is Germanic?\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>rationalising nazi mental illness"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did Nazis arrest Roman Catholic priests in Poland, but allowed other Roman Catholic proests to run the show in Slovakia and Croatia?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomeone's never encountered gypsies before."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Nazis were medically speaking imbeciles.\n\nGyppos are based.\nt. Gyppo"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIf you want a serious answer it's because the catholic church in Poland could have been used as an underground leadership and the Germans wanted as much control in Poland as possible, while the allied Croatians and Slovakians got to keep their churches"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they're brown criminals"}, {"id": 9, "content": "nobody likes Gypsies, just nobody. all sides of political spectrum in Europe are in universal agreement on that. Nazis wanted to genocide them, commies labeled them as social parasites and put them in work camps. unlike with Jews there's not even any pity points about Gypsy victims of the Holocaust."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>Iranian\n\nSo \"Aryans\"? Between their European, Iranian, and Indian ancestry they probably have more \"Aryan\" ancestry than the average German."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid they even know they were indo-aryan at that time? But besides that, I'm guessing its because they were mixed racially (if they did know)? Besides race, perhaps the fact that gypsies are just annoying to deal with in the first place.\n>>9\nperfect summary"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did the Nazis murder a million Gypsies when they're indo-aryan?\nCause the Nazi's were criminals and killed a lot of people, it didn't have to make too much sense.\n\n>>3\nthis desu"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Gypsies have probably the worst reputation of any racial group on the planet. Gypsies are so bad that even in socially conscious Europe it’s still perfectly acceptable to talk shit about them. In the past couple of years they’ve started to crack down on it, but until recently nobody would bat an eye if you talked about Gypsies in public the way /pol/ talks about blacks and Jews. If the Nazis hadn’t made eugenics such a radioactive topic there’s no doubt in my mind that several European nations would have sterilized them. It’s hard to describe to somebody who hasn’t seen it first-hand."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause no matter the ancestry they live like subhumans"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndon't forget the 6 trillions"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\n\nThe catholic church is allways local patriotic and nationalist\nSo in poland it was polish nationalist and anti german, same as in czech, while in hungary, slovakia and croatia and italy and so on and so forth it was either pro german, or pro italian, or like in spain it was 'national-catholic', all of this would later be known as 'clerofascism'\nThen again in many places it was 'neutral'\nIn fact in croatia, italy and france it was 'mostly neutral', and often in opposition to the regime, and did all sorts of covert stuff to transfer people out and maintain contact with all sides of the war, while in hungary and slovakia it basicaly was part of the regime and actively made part of it\nThe vatican itself played the ageold game of stroking everiones diplomatic cock at the same time so whatever happens they are allways on the winning side, so they simultaneously colaborated in a load of atrocious shit but also saved loads of people\nThe catholic church is highly diverse in ethnic, social, political and ideological orientation, internaly contradicting even, it all depends on who and where and when, the only constants are that it stayes on the good side of whichever official power is imminent while also being on the side of the ethnic majority in the country whichever that might be"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Universal\n>Local"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThis thread is full of people that never met a gypsy, like take a load of anons saying 'gypsies are racialy mixed' thats like saying a heap of gravel is 'multicolored', and as if anyone in europe would even consider that as a factor even, like what if they found a gypsy that can attest to his racialy pure aryan ancestry all the way back to india theyd just let him go or something\nIt still is a good question as to why they even bothered with them, they were completely insignificant and if the axis won the war they could allways just exterminate them at any time, its not like with the jews and the rest of the people they sent to camps, it wouldnt have been considered something that has to be done covertly, if anything it would of been good publicity"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n\nyes anon, reality is all made up of paradoxes and oximorons like that, weird isnt it"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>but until recently\nIn all honesty even now I can walk outside talking shit about gypsies among the hardest leftists and they wont react much. If they do, they just havent seen gypsies yet, its hilarious"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone who puts a red anus on their flag deserves it."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Some things about fascism terrify me. The proneness to war, military aggression, infighting and backstabbing and assassination... Why is it so imperfect bros?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHad they killed 10 million gypsies it still wouldn't have been enough"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\n>unlike with Jews there's not even any pity points about Gypsy victims of the Holocaust.\n\nThere are, but only among hardcore woke fringes."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>13\nI love how even in Gypsy fokelore, their foundational story is literally, a Persian King became super rich and decided to spread his wealth to make his kingdom a Utopia, he hired thousands of musicians from India to play music and gave them land, a wagon and an ox to set them up. The Musicians instead, ate the ox, burnt the wagon and refused to work.\nThe Persian king exiled them for their betrayal of his good will and trust he put in them.\n\nLike, even Gypsies admit they're terminal cunts."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nSounds based."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey came from northern india to europe in the 14th century\n>also\nur american and never had to deal with them"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP) (OP)\nbecause nazis are retarded\n>>2\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>13\n>>14\n>>18\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>>25\n>>27\nPic Related"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>murder"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Nazis didn't \"murder\"\"\" anyone except targets that would have rebelled sooner or later on the Frontline."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey met them"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni worked in a clothing store for a while.\neven woke girl coworkers hated them with a passion"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nAh yes because pacifists were such violent partisan rebels."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>10\n>>Iranian\n>So \"Aryans\"?\nNo, the ancient Iranians who contributed to the modern Indian genome weren't Aryans. They were probably Proto-Dravidians."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\nAll my life I've been in mostly leftist circles and people there openly talk shit about gypsies. Even the really woke few dislike them. I have yet to see anyone make any effort to call them Roma instead of gypsy, people just don't care."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n31pbp"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\nno offense but no one wants to be cramped in with the left side of this panel. thank you for leaving my ethnicity out of this gay ass meme"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "'The only recourse of the Marxists consists of saying that the delays are simply longer than was imagined and that one day, far away in the future, the end wil justify all'.\n- L'Homme révolté"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Sounds like crunch in a software company."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHuh, I guess it is.\nAnd it will be a crunch until, as Lenin said, the entire fucking planet is free of the oppressed and of proprietors.\nSo never. An eternal death march."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Anti-marxist\n>posts child in swimsuit\npeculiar pattern"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIf it bleeds it breeds"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBreh"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws\nuhh...frenchbros...care to explain this one?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's libertarian tradition."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">noooooon giving wine to kids is our tradician"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>>/int/"}, {"id": 5, "content": "it's their culture bigot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 7, "content": "There's objectively nothing wrong with this. Society makes way too big a deal out of adult-child love."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">The late 1970s saw a concerted effort on the part of Gay Rights activists, the French feminist organization Choisir, and Leftist Intellectuals to not only equalize the age of consent but rethink or discard the concept altogether.[1] [2]\n\n>A number of French intellectuals—including Michel Foucault, Gilles Deleuze, Jacques Derrida, Louis Aragon, Roland Barthes, Simone de Beauvoir, Jean-Paul Sartre, Félix Guattari, Michel Leiris, Alain Robbe-Grillet, Philippe Sollers, Jacques Rancière, Jean-François Lyotard, Francis Ponge, Bernard Besret [fr] and various prominent doctors and psychologists—signed the initial petition.[3] The primary argument, for most of the signatories, was that there was a homophobic disparity in age of consent created by recent legislation. This law made heterosexual sex legal at the age of 15, but prohibited sodomy and similar acts until age 18.\nGay leftist philosophysisters... It's over"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMichel Foucault was a gigafaggot: one of the OGs to die from GRIDS & major influence in claiming greeks were all mega gay"}, {"id": 10, "content": "They were all gay communists."}, {"id": 11, "content": "This isn't even a French thing, it's a gay communist thing, and they went even farther in West Germany."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nGod I wish that were me..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nyes it is, and nothing bad happened from it"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nWhy didn't he just deconstruct the biopolitical power relations of the HIV colonizing his bussy?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nthis but unironically"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nBecause the double fistings took their toll"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nCharlemagne had a 13 years old wife. According to nature, anything after puberty makes sense."}, {"id": 18, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nEurope in the 70s was wild, man.\n\n>legal CP\n>nudist culture\n>movies featuring unnecessary 12 year old girl shower scenes that didn't actually serve any purpose for advancing the plot\n>people calling for legalized adult-child sex"}, {"id": 20, "content": "We fuck minors in this mutthafucka betta take your puritan/feminist ass back to anglo land"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "remember the time Americans criminally shot down a civilian airliner and killed almost 300 women and children?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Navy tried to radio the pilot and tell them to not fly over their airspace but got back no response. It was also never proven that it was indeed a civilian airliner and not carrying a load of Hezbollah terrorists on their way to Palestine."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn’t know america was that based."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How does God make us sinless in Heaven? How will everything actually be better than it is now? Will it be like Russia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristians don't want you to ask these questions. Because it all falls apart.\n\nChristians claim that evil exists in the world because of freewill. Heaven is claimed to have no evil, so therefore there will there be no freewill in heaven. If true, humans are just slaves and cattle, to a sky jew.\n\nYou will never get an honest direct answer from them, they will insult, cite babble bible verses and strawman"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Will it be like Russia?\n\nGod I hope not"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nThe Orthodox answer is that it will be like the Divine Liturgy at church where everyone is quietly united together in love and bliss"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Heaven is claimed to have no evil, so therefore there will there be no freewill in heaven. If true, humans are just slaves and cattle, to a sky jew.\nNon-sequitur.\nHeaven has no sin describes the state which it is maintained. It does not mean that no sin occurs in heaven. People retain free will. People can choose to sin, like Satan, but are banished."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>It does not mean that no sin occurs in heaven.\n\nMatthew 6:20\n\"But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves DO NOT break through NOR steal\"\n\nThis directly refutes your argument. If there was free will people could theoretically still steal in heaven. The supposed words of Jesus refutes your argument"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Why do people sin during their earthly lives according to Christianity?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey are taught by their parents to be evil and to love lies"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhen you die you fry 'cause no heaven"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>>5\nLike clockwork"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHeaven is not endgame for Christians. There will be a new Earth that'll be even better than the days of Adam"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nMost Christian denominations subscribe to the doctrine of \"Original Sin\" which states that all humans inherently exist in a state of \"Total Depravity\" in which it is simply their inherent nature to be evil and being good is simply not anymore possible than a fish breathing air, hence Jesus is necessary since it's impossible for a human to actually \"deserve\" or \"earn\" salvation."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's always surreal watching these weirdo freaks like St Augustine or the guy who wrote the Left Behind books try and describe Heaven as a paradise because their ideology is so inherently inhuman that it outlaws anything that would actually make something a paradise, like loving your wife or hangin with da' boys or all the things that make life worth living. They're reduced to saying \"You'll just be standing in place singing there like it's choir practice for eternity, but for some reason you're in ecstasy during it.\" And it's like, that's not fucking paradise, that's just having a dopamine IV in your arm. If that's all heaven is I can make heaven in my garage with a syringe and lobotomy pick."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nGod is the most perfect entity, so that anyone would love Him/Her, if only one were to know Her/Him as S/He really is\n\nNonetheless, God wants to be freely loved, so that S/He does not reveal Himself/Herself fully to human beings\n\nOnce a human being has freely chosen to love God (and s/he is thus in \"heaven\"), s/he comes to see Him/Her in full\n\nAt that point, s/he cannot stop loving God\n\nThus, there is free will (i.e., freedom to choose between good and evil) in heaven, but no one uses it ---just like God would be free to do evil, but does not"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt happens by doing penance, either in this life or in the afterlife. Everyone gets what he chooses, either life or death. Those that choose life eventually end up in heaven, but they must become clean before they may enter."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nLolled & checked"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat John Chrysostom quote is bs. Show me where the bible says it's a sin to have anal sex with your wife"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\nWe do a reverse fall, an up. We vomit up the forbidden fruit and just start gardening."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\n>You will never get an honest direct answer from them, they will insult\nNext level projetion"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nis this the famous \"I will believe six absurdities before breakfast just to spite you\" christian debate technique in action? we are discussing mainstream christianity here, not your headcanon made up on the spot."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be like a Communism that actually works which is why heaven like god is not real"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "As a German, I've never understood the hate. They get super emotional discussing whether Scotland is germanic or celtic, as you can see in the yamnaya thread. What are the reasons for this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "there's no such thing as a \"celt\""}, {"id": 3, "content": "theres a difference between the internet and irl"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot sure, but germanic brits tend to not like anyone who doesn't look like them. Simple as that."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nGaels and Britons."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nmeet people from the east coast of england and compare them to scots/people from the west coast and you'll see the difference, east coast has much more scandi/germ admixture due to proximity. Germanics spread through the waterways."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNative britons are \"scandi/germs\"\nThe farmnigger \"celts\" are invaders"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Celtic nations view themselves as victims of Anglo oppression, and (genuinely) compete for the title of \"first victim of English colonialism\". There's really nothing more to it. Anglos/England have been the undisputed power the on the Isles practically unbroken since the day we arrived. Spending 1500 years in the shadow of another, especially one you perceive to be your bully generates a lot of seethe."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nyou're right about celts being invaders, when i talk about germanics I mean the angles saxons and jutes that came after roman authority left us. Not sure where your getting the idea that native brits before the invasion of the celts where \"germanic\" but i'd be curious to hear why you think that."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause if Scotland is Germanic then they have to try harder to distinguish themselves from English people. If there is nothing then there is no Scotland. Irish at least have things like Roman Catholicism to lean back on.\nt. english/scottish/irish mutt"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Anglos/England have been the undisputed power the on the Isles practically unbroken since the day we arrived.\n\n1066"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\ngeneticists are retarded, the welsh are bronze age Basques and geneticists admit this, they're also related to the people from Brittany in France. Basque people are an unbroken lineage of farmniggers from the balkans, basically EEF. But they don't exactly look like middle eastern shitskins now do they? Neither do the Welsh. But the Welsh being an unbroken lineage and being geographically isolated is not a coincidence, farmnigger Welsh ancestors came to the UK 4500 BC, but farming was already there 1500 years prior. Meaning the native hunter gatherers were already farming before the arrival of farmnigger \"stock\" from the balkans. When the farmniggers brought their stone worshipping to Britain they assimilated rather than wiped out the natives. Under Roman rule the farmniggers reached their peak, becoming half the population of Britain, focused in the west, but when the germanics came they and the natives pushed them into wales and cornwall and ireland.\n\nat least that's my theory"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Basque people are an unbroken lineage of farmniggers from the balkans\nWe don't know if Basque is a farmer language or forager language, considering the fact that there is mass uniparental replacement before steppe ancestry arrives.\n\nHow can Basques and Welsh both be from an \"unbroken lineage\"? The former had their Y-DNA replaced but their language retained, while the latter had the reverse happen."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nY DNA has nothing to do with actual genetic makeup, this is why geneticists are retarded. Basques are practically pure farmnigger stock but are R1b because the R1bs got really lucky. Their R1b is really old and bottlenecked, same with ireland and wales"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Basques are practically pure farmnigger stock\nthey aren't"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nthey are, farmniggers were half-40% WHG before even entering the balkans, meds are darker because of genetic flow from the middle east and north africa, not farmnigger stock"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nThe mainland (OG) Celts and the insular \"Celts\" were completely different populations without genetic overlap or affinity. And as there was no population replacement in \"Celtic\" Britain, those \"Celts\" are just pure remnants of Bell Beaker culture, the same as Germanics.\n>>12\nBabble."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nbasques are like 20-25% Steppe"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>>17\nInteresting thanks. I personally don't put too much stock in the haplogroup stuff however, it's a bit too objective and materialist."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nand steppe are what percentage WHG?\nWhen you add WHG to WHG what do you get?\n\ninb4\n>they weren't WHG they were CHG!\nCHG is a subclade of WHG\n\ninb4\n>the were EHG!\nEHG was heavily WHG"}, {"id": 21, "content": "\"Celtic\" as a term was invented in the 17th and 18th centuries. The \"ancient\" myths and lore of \"celtic\" nations was invented in that time period.\n\"scotland\" is a \"celtic\" nation that consists of anglo lowlanders LARPing as the people they once viewed as barbaric savages and saw nothing wrong in cleansing them from the highlands"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nIf you want to count most of CHG, WHG and EEF as the same west eurasian ancestry, you still get something like 10-15% of Basque ancestry from outside of this."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do Celts and Anglos dislike each other?\n\n>Why do Anglos dislike Celts?\nThey won't stop making retarded demands in politics, contribute basically nothing to the country, and need excessive government spending to help their broke AF population to not starve - and despite us doing all of that for our fellow countrymen they still hate us for no real reason.\n\n>Why do Celts dislike Anglos?\nOMG! DUDE! HAVE YOU SEEN BRAVEHEART?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nI explicitly said EEF was 50% WHG, the other half is Natufian, basically Palestinian. Basques/Welsh are 10-15% middle eastern car bombers"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n> people they once viewed as barbaric savages and saw nothing wrong in cleansing them from the highlands\nThe celts where savages though. I say this as someone who is 70% celtic. Celts where becoming more and more Romanised the more they came into contact with Rome through war however, which is why the romans put so much effort into subjugating though. Before ireland adopted Christ, they where prolific slavers, same with the angles ect too though."}, {"id": 26, "content": "cope, Chud.\n\nthe indigenous Stone Megalith culture would be ~Basque. I can sleep sound out night knowing my ancestors were arios, freemen, from Le Tene"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do Celts and Anglos dislike each other\nProbably because nordcucks caused the british dark age"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglo Self hatred, Anglos are overwhelmingly pre-Saxon Briton genetically, and they cling to their linguistic forebears who subdued the Britons and in the same way browns hate other browns for being brown because they exemplify brown traits which browns hate, so too do the Anglos hate the Britons who exemplify everything Anglos hate about themselves."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglos cope that their 250 year kingdom shilled by the conqueror were enslaved. while the Vulga, have a 1200 year Trinitarian christian tradition and continued to stem the tide of subjugation until Henry 7th.\nThe hate is seeded in legitimacy."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nBrythonic is still spoke in the house of lords to this day for some rituals. I agree we should attempt to get people in touch with their real heritage though."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>11\nYeah\n>England"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScotland being Celtic has become a key point in Scottish nationalism. If Scotland is Celtic then it is separate from England and can claim that independence is just. If it is Germanic, like England, then their pretenses of independence and nationalism are silly. They would be reduced to a bunch of northern British people larping as something they never were. A lot of it really comes down to othering and the maintaining of different nationalism. Scotland specifically gets a lot of attention because they have a sizable independence movement.\nIt might seem really odd from an outsiders perspective though because these people have so much more in common than they have differences—that goes for the Irish too even though they’ve gone their own way for a century.\nThey all speak English\nThey all are incredibly close genetically. (Theyre all varying degrees of Celtic-Germanic mix. Even Irishmen from Connaught have Anglo admixture at this point and the most Anglo guy from Kent has ancient Brythonic DNA. But this is all blowing everything out of the water because their all NW euros and are very similar anyway.)\nThey all follow the same cultural trends.\nThey all share the same folk traditions and songs.\nThey all are Christian (even though there are differences in denomination).\nThey all benefitted from the British Empire.\nThey all follow a common law system.\nThey all have the same history.\nThey all have the same deeply rooted attitudes towards things.\nEtc etc.\nThe only thing separating these people are old historical grievances, which their family was probably on both sides of. Irish are different in some ways, but this is true of the british (Welsh, Scots, Anglos). Part of it is probably influenced by the oppression Olympics too.\n>Oh no, I’m responsible for colonialism. I’m not just some white guy! I’m Scottish! We wuz oppressed!\nSome of it also has to do with the EU but I don’t want to get into that."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nWhat are the Vulga?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nheh... its what the Romans called the Cymru because they resembled the germanics. welsh is a pejorative term anglos used."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>Scotland being Celtic has become a key point in Scottish nationalism. If Scotland is Celtic then it is separate from England and can claim that independence is just. If it is Germanic, like England, then their pretenses of independence and nationalism are silly\n\nThat's not true at all. Catalan nationalists don't need Catalonia to be a non-Romance country to justify their separatism. Frisian nationalists don't need to be non-Germanic to justify the idea they're a separate people from Dutch and German people. Nobody in Scotland honestly really cares that much which ethno-linguistic box Scotland fits into because everyone is aware that the country has mixed origins, that the Scots language is a Germanic one, etc. The people making a big deal about it on this board are autistic far right idiots who need some imaginary \"pure\" race to justify the existence of a nation.\n\nIn reality, the reason why it makes sense for Scottish nationalists to emphasise the Celtic and specifically Gaelic aspects of Scottish national identity are because historically their downplaying and marginalisation went hand in hand with reducing Scotland to a mere appendage of England rather than a multifaceted country with a separate origin and cultural focal point."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>That's not true at all. Catalan nationalists don't need Catalonia to be a non-Romance country to justify their separatism. Frisian nationalists don't need to be non-Germanic to justify the idea they're a separate people from Dutch and German people. Nobody in Scotland honestly really cares that much which ethno-linguistic box Scotland fits into because everyone is aware that the country has mixed origins, that the Scots language is a Germanic one, etc. The people making a big deal about it on this board are autistic far right idiots who need some imaginary \"pure\" race to justify the existence of a nation.\nYes they do\nScots nationalists want to erase all trace of lowland (ANGLO) culture and pretend that all scottish culture was highland gaelic (ignoring the fact that all of it was created in the 18th and 19th centuries)\n>In reality, the reason why it makes sense for Scottish nationalists to emphasise the Celtic and specifically Gaelic aspects of Scottish national identity are because historically their downplaying and marginalisation went hand in hand with reducing Scotland to a mere appendage of England rather than a multifaceted country with a separate origin and cultural focal point.\nGaelic was declining in the 11th century. The highland clearences were done by scottish lairds. lowland scots hated highlanders, the english didn't care about them\nyour nation is fake"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nThe Irish at least can genuinely say they were treated terribly by the Bongs. Scotland has absolutely no excuse and the cries of English oppression are downright laughable."}, {"id": 38, "content": "I'm good ole American, Ulster scot, last name is Morrison, probably viking in origin. It's weird in America. So many people larp as scot-irish which is basically made up. These idiots like to pretend their Irish, but their not, their Scottish ancestors were just booted to Ireland and then booted to America."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>11\n>Normans got heemed so hard by the black death they all went on to larp as \"English\" and completely ditched their native language for English\nAnglos win again."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>25\nNothing at all like those civilized Romans, huh?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>Scots nationalists want to erase all trace of lowland (ANGLO) culture and pretend that all scottish culture was highland gaelic\n\nThis isn't even remotely true, the whole Lallans movement in literature and activism overlaps heavily with Scottish nationalism\n\n>The highland clearences were done by scottish lairds. lowland scots hated highlanders\n\nA tragic process whereby Scotland turned in on itself and began extirpating those elements of its own core being that least aligned with its neighbour to the south and which if uninterrupted, would culminate in, if not its total oblivion, a sad state of limbo, neither within England nor able to exist separately from it. A state of affairs a spiteful little bigot like yourself would no doubt relish."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>My theme in this, and the following chapter, is the history of this process of innocent ritualisation in Scotland: the process whereby the customs and costumes of the Scottish Highlanders, previously despised as barbarous, and at one time formally extinguished, were resumed, elaborated and extended. Thus, today, the kilt and the tartan are regarded as the traditional dress of historic Scotland: Lowland Scots imagine themselves as members of ‘clans’, and visitors from England are welcomed by the noise of bagpipes, and must struggle to read road signs in Irish lettering. The process was the work of a well-defined era: the century from 1745 to 1845. Before 1745, the Highlanders and all their customs were disowned and despised by every articulate Scotchman. After 1845 the Highland takeover was complete. The voice of protest, and of historical truth, was often raised; but it was always powerless. Romanticism might lose its power; but then tourism and commercialism would take over its legacy, extending and vulgarising it in detail. Today it is fixed in the elaborate rituals of Scots abroad, and in the well-stocked souvenir shops of Lowland Scotland."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>In this book I attempt to explore the interaction of myth and history in Scotland. For in Scotland, it seems to me, myth has played a far more important part in history than it has in England. Indeed, I believe that the whole history of Scotland has been coloured by myth; and that myth, in Scotland, is never driven out by reality, or by reason, but lingers on until another myth has been discovered, or elaborated, to replace it. In what follows, I propose to illustrate this thesis by studying three consecutive myths which have successively filled the four hundred years of Scottish history from the sixteenth century to the twentieth. They are (1) the political myth, the myth of the ancient constitution of Scotland, which prevailed from the sixteenth century till the eighteenth; (2) the literary myth, the myth of the ancient poetry of Scotland, which lasted from 1760 till the 1820s – if not beyond; and (3) the sartorial myth, the myth of the ancient Scottish costume, which began in the 1820s and is with us still. All these alleged legacies of ancient Scotland are mythological: there was no ancient constitution, no ancient poetry, and no distinctive ancient dress – or at least, whatever there was of them bears very little resemblance to what the world was, for a long time, persuaded to believe. But these myths, though they may explode on contact with the evidence, are nevertheless historically important."}, {"id": 44, "content": "Why does pic related always ring so true? Asking for a slav"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>The myth of the ancient constitution was the beginning of a political theory which, in the hands of English whigs and French Huguenots, would become a political force in Europe. The myth of the ancient poetry was the beginning of an ideological current which, channelled by Goethe and Napoleon, would swell the European romantic movement. The myth of the ancient Highland dress supplied a distinctive feature by which Scots, and supposed Scots, could identify each other and be identified, at home and across the globe: in other words, it served as a communal integrator. Incidentally, it supported a significant textile industry and added to the gaiety of nations. All these myths, I shall suggest, were imported into Scotland from abroad: the first from France, the second from Ireland, the third from England; but in Scotland they were denizened, and it became a part of the national honour to maintain them at least until a new myth should be imported to drive them out. And these three myths, which made Scotland known in the world, are connected with three famous names in literature: George Buchanan, James Macpherson, and Sir Walter Scott."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nA lot of nationalists in both the highlands and lowlands don't particularly care for tartanry, its well recognised as a kitsch Victorian construction perhaps somewhat akin to a kind of orientalism which is greatly tied to the British royals and their flights of fancy up in Balmoral. Its a topic that's been critically discussed by Scottish nationalists for fucking donkey's years, bringing it up is really not the sick burn you think it is."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>The climax of the farce came at a civic dinner in the royal honour, when the king invited the assembled dignitaries to drink a toast to ‘the chieftains and clans of Scotland’ – those formerly predatory outer barbarians whom the citizens of Edinburgh had always despised and sometimes feared. This was too much for some of Scott's fellow Lowlanders, who afterwards complained that ‘the whole land was tartanised, in the royal eye, from Pentland to Solway’. But at the time the magic worked. Reason and sense were numbed by the potent mixture of myth and snobisme. ‘So completely had this hallucination taken possession’, wrote Lockhart, that nobody seemed startled by the suggestion that ‘the marking and crowning glory of Scotland’ consisted in those Highland clans and their chieftains who had, in truth, ‘always constituted a small and almost always an unimportant part of the Scottish population’."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>The charade of George IV's visit to Edinburgh has an important place in the mythology of Highland dress. Designed to complete the victory of 1746 by reconciling the minds of Celtic Scotland to Hanoverian rule, it ended by reversing that victory. The Celtic clans, conclusively defeated at Culloden, and thereafter subjected effectively to Anglo-Saxon rule from London and Edinburgh, now asserted their claim that all Scotland was really theirs; and their claim – in the realm of myth – was allowed. For the next century, scholars and historians might protest; but they protested in vain. Even the greatest and most popular historian of that century, who established a new orthodoxy in the interpretation of political history, was powerless against this particular fallacy. The historian was Lord Macaulay, and he wrote a full generation after the royal visit, when the ‘hallucination’ of that event might have been thought to have passed into historical perspective. His comments were made, in the course of his History of England, when he came to compare the relations between Saxon and Celt in Scotland and Ireland since the decisive events of the reign of William III."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>40\nIt's like the difference between chaotic evil and lawful evil."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>34\nThe Romans didn't call them Britons?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCelts and Anglos don't exist."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nEvil is evil friendo. Reject it"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\n*Vulgò, srry. So I was looking for my source, take it as an anecdote if you want ...but the Venedotti were Gaulo-Romano auxiliaries Romans used to man Hadrian's wall Via Carlisle. Whoever was left in this group after Magnus Maximus were the progenitors of the Kingdom of Gwynedd. Pardarn Red cloak was a roman officer who married the heir of London."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>German\nThis clearly explains why you're taking such autistic banter that is entirely relegated to 4chins and this board in particular seriously.\n\n>>11\nNords LARPing as Frenchmen."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Nords LARPing as Frenchmen.\nno one ever larped as gaulish peasants, it was just danes marrying dutch/flemish franks and assimilating into their colonial outpost"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>no one ever larped as gaulish peasants\nYou need to visit Quebec and ask one of the locals about “linge pur.” It’s frankly quite hilarious"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\nOrder is clearly better than chaos. One of the most agreed on definitions of good and evil is that good produces order and evil produces chaos."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is a sanitized mockery meant to protect the sensibilities of those calling for death.\nI support the Death Penalty but only if whoever passes the sentence swings the sword and takes accountability for what they are doing rather than hide behind 'humane' methods.\nAnd this means looking the man you're going to execute in the eye. If one is unable to do that, then that man does not deserve death by their hand.\nThere is a place for such punishment regarding crimes such as high treason or for those who are truly monstrous and irredeemable, but one should not call for death unless they understand and are willing to dirty their hands lest they forget the meaning of death as so many today do."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExecutioners still get PTSD."}, {"id": 3, "content": "If I were on death row I would specifically request the firing squad, being strapped to a table so the violent convusions caused by their mystery needle juice don't freak people out seems very fucking awful comparatively.\n\nReally though, who gets paid to come up with these hairbrained convoluted \"humane\" executions like the electric chair and injection that are documented to cause serious pain?\n\nLiterally just tie me to a post and shoot me in the heart 5 times, I'll die instantly."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I don't understand why murder is the only crime people get executed for in the U.S.\nA person kills one person, the harm to society was the person they murdered and their family, let's say they had a large family, which would be no more than like 20 people effected\nHow much harm to society is done by corruption or a drug trafficker? Surely more harm than 20 people."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nAlas, the men in charge of how to execute people care more for not making a mess and not having the death be ugly than the suffering of the executed."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nAny state that pushes for the death penalty ought to bring back the guillotine."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIntent is also a factor, not just harm done to society."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nthe electric chair and injection are way uglier than firing squad though, imo there is a certain dignity to dying on your feet\n\nmaybe that's the point, to strip the condemned of their dignity at the last"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly God should have power over life and death, any ungodly country such as America doing this is murder. Then again, Amerigolem support abortion so they're already a murderous nation of barbarians."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nIt's not"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>Really though, who gets paid to come up with these hairbrained convoluted \"humane\" executions like the electric chair and injection that are documented to cause serious pain?\nIt highlights the hypocrisy of people who advocate for the death penalty but are too squeamish to come to terms with what death actually is and that it's not an idealized, peaceful thing. Their idea of it being \"peaceful\" is by turning it into a clinical, scientific process which ironically is more brutal and painful for the person being executed than if they were killed instantly by a volley of bullets or the guillotine. There is no partial embrace of violence, and anyone who wants \"humane\" violence needs to get over themselves."}, {"id": 12, "content": "no one itt has ever seen someone die irl"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI saw a guy die on public transport. Not sure what the cause was, but the fucker went gray in the face, collapsed and hit his head really badly on the way down (not sure if that was a factor though)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nAgreed. I'd rather die staring death down and making peace with it than being hogtied like an animal and put down like a dog\n>>11\nBest remedy for that is to give all death penalty advocates a free, first-hand experience if what they are advocating for"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">hey Brtain\n>yeah?\n>remember how he helped you in ww1?\n>yeah?\n>remember how we bailed you out in ww2?\n>yeah?\n>we could use some help in Vietnam\n>uhh...\n>You just put down a similar insurgency in Malaysia and have the experience and know-how\n>yeah...\n>even Australia, South Korea and the Philippines are helping\n>yeah...\n>We could generously bankroll your failing economy\n>uh... well get back to you in a week\n>yeah, so are you gonna help?\n>look we're awfully buzzy, gotta reform the tax system, oh, I've got an incoming call, sorry have to take it. but you can count on our moral support\n\n>20 years later\n>OMG AMERICA, THE ARGENTINES ARE RETAKING LAS MALVINAS, COME HELP US PLEASE, YOU ARE OUR GREATEST ALLY\n>..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're forgetting the suez crisis happened. That puts the British indifference to Vietnam into context. We still followed you into Korea. My grandfather bled and buried hundreds of chinese bodies(the chinese would just leave their dead to rot)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\npic related, he was part of the scottish regiment called The Black Watch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_the_Hook"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritain didn't just let down the U.S. but France whose colonies they eagerly screwed with to garner Arab affection during WWII. Eisenhower would have intervened at Dien Bien Phu if the Brits gave him their political support."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nKorea 90% Americans. Even Turks contributed more than Britain.\nPoland also sent more troops to Iraq than Britain.\nTruly the worst ally. Completely ungrateful and unreliable."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>You're forgetting the suez crisis happened.\nYeah this was crucial in changing the way Britain saw America.\nIt was no coincidence that Eden's successor Harold Macmillan applied (unsuccessfully) to join the European Common Market, because he gradually came to realisethat the American's did not respect us as a power and our future lay with Europe.\n\n>remember how we bailed you out in ww2?.\nNot as simple as that, Britain had to pay ever dollar back to the United States with interest. It was not an act of charity,"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>It was not an act of charity\nYou would've literally lost the capacity to wage war without the debts. Imagine if Germany had gotten them instead."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nBased.\nMy grandfather was in the Cameronians during WW2 in North Africa"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nFactually incorrect cope. If you're going to try and shit on our contribution try and do some research first."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAny stories?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>You would've literally lost the capacity to wage war without the debts. Imagine if Germany had gotten them instead.\nNot denying this at all. But Roosevelt hated the Nazis and had a personal friendship with Churchill, so aid to the Germans would of never of happened.\nSecondly the United States benefited hugely from this deal, because we gave the US Navy access to British bases all around the Empire in return for destroyers and aid.\nThirdly, after the war, the United States forced bankrupt Britain to decolonise, so you could become the unchallenged western hegemon, which you still are.\nWe still give you access to the British indian ocean territory rent free, the ascension islands rent free, our own territory rent free etc etc.\nThe US is still dependent on using British territory. Maybe we should kick you out."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbongs are a joke"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nThe only thing he told my dad about the war was that he was shot in the leg, bullet went straight in and straight out. He forever hated the Germans and Italians, refused to buy anything related or manufactured there. Died in 1980s"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nMy grandad would only ever talk about all the bodies he buried and how the Chinese disrespected their fallen. Wouldn't talk about the fighting at all."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe you shouldn't have betrayed us by siding with the communist Soviet Union during the Suez Crisis."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>US refuses to assist the UK in the Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation\n>UK refuses to assist the US in Vietnam"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hey America\n>Yeah?\n>You remember how you fucked us over during the Suez crisis?\n>Yeah?\n>and how you bankrupted us after WW2 for no reason other than your own desire to remove any possible geopolitical competition?\n>Yeah?\n>Does that sound like the kind of an Ally who gets to expect our immediate and unconditional support when they do something retarded in South East Asia?\n>uhh ...\n>and you remember how the British Advisory Mission to South Vietnam trained the Vietnamese and American troops in counter-insurgency and Jungle fighting tactics?\n>yeah ...\n>and how there were detached men from the SAS training and 'advising' your special forces in Vietnam?\n>and how British troops are using the same resignation-reenlistment process you set up to let Canadian troops serve in Vietnam without officially involving their government?\n>uh ....\n>and how both arms and intelligence were supplied to help your troops, under the counter for political reasons?\n>......\nOP, do you think that you could try reading something more in depth than a twitter post before you form an opinion?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nClassic chinx move really"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\n>You're forgetting the suez crisis happened\nFpbp\n>>7\nAmerican intervention on behalf of England was ultimately an act of self-interest made necessary by geography and geopolitics of the time. They didn't place the BE on any pedestal or anything. If the UK made peace with or was occupied by Germany then the US would have no invasion springboard as the war continued. There was no logical wargame scenario where America lets down Britain and doesn't pay for it dearly."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\ncont.\n\nOh yeah also\n>>1 (OP)\n>>OMG AMERICA, THE ARGENTINES ARE RETAKING LAS MALVINAS, COME HELP US PLEASE, YOU ARE OUR GREATEST ALLY\nLmao delusional spic. America was never going to side with any Latin American country over UK and the islands were never in danger of being taken from the British. On the contrary, America would have to get involved to ensure that Argensimians weren't subject to a humanitarian crisis after trying to fight a war with WWII rifles and jeeps."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's funny because the Falklands War wouldn't have happened if the CIA glowies hadn't overthrown Isabel Peron.\n\nThese autistic fucks ruined the country, we had 7% poverty and almost no foreign debt before the School of the Americas goons took over. Sure the economy was in trouble back then but the glowies gave it the killing blow, now we are still dragging a big foreign debt that begun in those years, more social inequality and deindustrialization and a generation of leftist chimp politicians who became \"martyrs of the dictatorship\" instead of being tried by civilian courts for being autistic weathermen-style terrorists they are valiant fighters against oppression or some shit.\n\nt. Argie"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>trying to fight a war with WWII rifles and jeeps.\nThey had relatively modern equipment (Dassault Super Etendards and A4 Skyhawks) because Kissinger made sure they were well-armed. Don't act innocent that your Frankenstein turned on the UK, or at least don't be ignorant about the topic, I doubt OP is Argie we don't like to talk about this shitshow of a war.\n\nThe Junta was your ally because they were helping you kill peasants in Nicaragua, El Salvador and similar Central American countries."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOkay now go learn Mexican lmao"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nTV show where the three non-hispanics in that picture team up to stop the cartels who've infiltrated the department"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like\nBritish defeated North Vietnam in 6 months in 1945 -1946, surely you yanks could do better and have it all polished off in a week or two, you won't need our help..\nWhat that you say old boy, war still ongoing almost ten years later?! By jove man, what the hell's wrong with you!!!"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>British defeated North Vietnam in 6 months in 1945 -1946\nThat was the Japanese Army."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIt was the vietnamese assisted by the post-surrender japanese"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>17\n>fucked us over during the Suez crisis?\nShouldn't have infringed on a soverign nations land then. Reminder nationalization of the Suez Cannal was entirely legal. Back then America actually believed they were the arbitrator of freedom and you can't exactly be that when your \"allies\" are trying to re-subjugate Africa. France, Britain, and Israel were all in the wrong and you can seethe for all eternity at America for standing up for what was right."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>You just put down a similar insurgency in Malaysia and have the experience and know-how\n>>yeah...\nThat's probably exactly why they weren't gonna enter Vietnam kek, the two situations are entirely different and anyone could see that the Vietnam war was unwinnable (without invading North Vietnam).\nMalaysia was a multiethnic country where the Malayan majority worked with the British to curb the largely Chinese Communists. Vietnam had no such thing going on, it was an inter Viet civil war and the North had no problems in establishing itself as a legitimate state."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\n>Imagine if Germany had gotten them instead\nYeah, that's exactly what the US did, hence why Washington supported Britain. The US didn't want to fight a stronger Germany."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>4\n>Eisenhower would have intervened at Dien Bien Phu if the Brits gave him their political support.\nWhy did he need their political support?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>11\n>would of never of happened."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nwashington supplied britain because 73 unelected new england jews were running the show while fdr vegetated in a wheelchair and churchhill was beholden to the same jews because he would have been living in a cardboard box without them"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namerica never bailed out england in jews war 2 in fact the it was the opposite jews like the \"unofficial president \" bernard baruch were desperate for england to keep the war going and drag as many countries into it as possible"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>11\nroosevelt was a jewish puppet every single person behind him was a jew even his speechwriter sammy rosenman was a jew"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>13\ndid he hate jews for starting the war though"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nI bet you have sources to back up your claim of \"da joos\" right?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nlend lease? jew oscar cox peacetime draft ?jew felix frankfurter plan to provoke japan after uboat provocations failed? jew harry dexter white. bernard baruch jew and nicknamed the \"unofficial president\" funny enough churchhill was beholden to baruch for keeping out of living in a cardboard box after he drank and gambled his money away henry morgenthau sol bloom eg goldenweiser ben cohen.......... its like reading a tel aviv phonebook"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1987/01/27/churchills-rescue-from-ruin/efff4a31-1473-45d6-8e8f-226f1d977310/"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n\nHitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon.\n- Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book The New Holy Alliance)"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n\"The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every conference, in all labor unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of general importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany...\" (Valadimir Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>32\nHe didn't want to have it look like he America was going in solo. He wanted it to look like an international effort. Think of why the U.S. tired to so hard to forge coalitions in the Gulf War and 2003 Invasion of Iraq. It's good optics."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nGermany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued with deadly hatred. The goal of Judaism of today is: a merciless campaign against all German peoples and the complete destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of trade, the importation of raw materials stopped, and retaliation towards every German, woman and child.\" (Jewish professor A. Kulischer, October, 1937)"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nnothing but a jewish was for israel cooked up by disgusting jews like paul wolfowitz"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nhttps://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/30/headlines/bush_advisor_us_invaded_iraq_to_protect_israel"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>29\n>Shouldn't have infringed on a soverign nations land then.\nso much irony in this post"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nAnd yet it is still a true statement"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>9\n>321,863\n>14,198\nThanks for the help"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica outright betrayed Britain over Suez. They owed the yanks nothing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Red Pill me on the British Raj. What are some objective books that can convey the experience of India under Britbong occupation."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>300 000 Thousand Ukrainians starve during a famine and drought\n>communism failed.....\n\n>anglos starve 67 million indians to fulfill grain export quotas\n>real capitalism hasn't been tried...."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Raj is the reason India is a unified country instead of a bunch of squabbling sub-Saharan tier shitholes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nwtf I hate the Raj now"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>a bunch of squabbling sub-Saharan tier shitholes\nWhy did you miss out the ' that are dominated by Islamic psychopaths or Chinese sociopaths'"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nNOO YOU CANT DO THAT!!!!!\n\nalso they didn't starve any Indians"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nthats not captialism, anon. That's mercantilism/protectionism. Please lurk more or read some books."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nReal capitalism has never been tried"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\neven if all the claims against the British Raj are true, it still seems to me one of the most benevolent long-term occupations in world history. The British never tried to impose their religion on the Indians, they created a modern intellectual class by founding universities in numerous cities, they built one of the biggest railroad systems in the world, and abive all they created a peaceful unified country where before there was just a collection of warring states."}, {"id": 10, "content": "It was a shithole designed to suck wealth out of the country."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nBrowns aren’t people. Stop fudging the numbers. A million people didn’t burn to death just because I lit an anthill on fire."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nThe difference is that 'Almost Communism' has killed at least 150 million people and resulted in the creation of some of the most horrific police states in human history. Meanwhile 'Almost Capitalism' has lifted over a billion people out of abject poverty, created the highest global standard of living seen in all of human history to date, created wonders that make the old mythological stories of the gods look kind of unimaginative, and has given you access to more information than the finest pre-'almost capitalism' thinkers ever dreamed of."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>sub continent so famous for its regular famines the first recorded written text is about famins have more famines\n>somehow these famines are Britains fault\n>despite the fact they had just as many before britain arrived\nPajeet cope knows no bounds."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n…and other marxist fairytales."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nso like every other state then"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUp until 1857, the British ruled India in the name of the Mughal Emperor in Delhi. Essentially they ran the show, but he was the legitimizing figurehead."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nPrevious to the British Raj, Indians had roughly the same level of material comfort as the contemporary West. Afterwards they were sent into abject poverty and starvation. \"Capitalism\" then took the W for going from no wage starvation to a dollar a day. This is \"taking people out of poverty.\" Colonized people largely didn't need to buy any external commodities and created what they needed themselves so their wages didn't really matter. When colonial governments first took over counties one of their first rules was usually banning the production of self-sustaining agriculture in favor of cash crops (that could only be sold to the colonizer) so the colonized population would be at the complete mercy of the colonizer. This is what jumpstarted the development of Capitalism in the West and led to their global supremacy."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBut everyone were poor as shit at that time, the west along with japan just happened to be the only nations to manage industrialization"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAyo thas a big diamon"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>Previous to the British Raj, Indians had roughly the same level of material comfort as the contemporary West.\nEurope had a higher GDP per capita by the \"great divergence\"\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita\n\n>Afterwards they were sent into abject poverty and starvation\nthey were already in abject poverty, and populations grew during the 19th century which means food production was increasing\n\n>\"Capitalism\" then took the W for going from no wage starvation to a dollar a day.\nafter independence India attempted socialism and its economy was almost stagnant until market reforms in the 90s, after which the economy started to see significant growth\n\nliterally nothing you have said has any bearing on reality"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt's weird because china which also practiced state controlled capitalism grew a lot while India stagnated"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n>Previous to the British Raj, Indians had roughly the same level of material comfort as the contemporary West. Afterwards they were sent into abject poverty and starvation.\nIf you're going to lie to me then at least put some effort into your lies. The West and India were in about the same level of abject poverty until the West started developing, and India didn't. That's why India was stuck in some non-stop medieval phase while Britain was expanding globally.\n\n>\"Capitalism\" then took the W for going from no wage starvation to a dollar a day. This is \"taking people out of poverty.\"\nFirstly if we're talking about the Raj then that would have been Mercantilism rather than Capitalism (learn what words mean). Secondly that's still a hell of a lot better than what they had under the Indian system (where they were trapped in no wage starvation) or under Communism - where they'd be worked until their fingers bled, at gunpoint, for no wage, and told \"don't worry comrade, the Five Year Plan was very clear that your rations should be arriving any day now!\".\n\ncont ..."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Colonized people largely didn't need to buy any external commodities and created what they needed themselves so their wages didn't really matter.\nIdolizing primitive poverty is kind of retarded but, if that's what you want, I'm sure you can find some shitty little village where you could go and start subsistence farming.\n\n>When colonial governments first took over counties one of their first rules was usually banning the production of self-sustaining agriculture in favor of cash crops (that could only be sold to the colonizer) so the colonized population would be at the complete mercy of the colonizer\nYou lost the war, were you expecting cuddles and free prizes afterwards? Considering the development that India was apparently incapable of managing for itself you came out well ahead in the trade off. Stop whinging about it.\n\n>This is what jumpstarted the development of Capitalism in the West and led to their global supremacy.\nHoly Thirdie Commie Cope Batman! Do you honestly believe that? Or is it just the lie you have to tell yourself to feel a little better?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nIndian prosperity looks like a U whereas Western poverty is an exponential curve. Before they were fairly decent where no one was under intense suffering, then they had intense starvation, famine, death, millions dead, then finally some people got out of abject poverty."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nIndian prosperity (and almost every other metric used for measuring a country) looks like a bell curve, with the peak labelled 'The Raj'."}, {"id": 26, "content": "After reading this entire thread I've came to the conclusion that it's not anglo\n\n......\n\nIt's kanglo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Germans love him so much?\n\nThey were even willing to sacrifice millions for his gambles."}, {"id": 2, "content": "He was based."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you never heard the guy talk? Even if you don't speak German, or only speak it poorly like I do, many of his speeches have subtitles. If you are familiar with history and the political climate at the time, he was straight up just checking all the boxes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nthis"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Have you ever watched one of his speeches? I don't even speak German and I get worked up."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dunno he wasn't even German"}, {"id": 7, "content": "He was a natural sovereign, that is to say, someone who was truly ordained to rule and who embodied the will of the people. Jung called him a mystic and said he was channeling Wotan and Germanic warrior spirit.\nThat's why they are so petrified of his ghost and oppose him ruthlessly, because there's nothing more native to the European spirit than the movement he created and that truth stands in stark opposition to their illegitimate alien sovereignty."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n1. His support is exaggerated. NSADP was part of a coalition to form a minority government.\n\n2. Hitler secured power through authoritarian means, not democratic. His speeches were not a key to his position of power.\n\n3. Once in power the propaganda machine was in full swing to turn public opinion. Yeah you might say Hitler was loved, but so was Stalin and Mao. Once you've secured power it's not difficult to become a national symbol.\n\n4. Crowds and film reels were selected to make his appearance as bombastic as possible. Again nothing new.\n\n5. Unironically the a western powers greatly contributed to his growing popularity by giving in to his demands. Allowing rapid rearmament created millions of jobs, and taking control of Rhineland and Sudetenland made him a symbol of German dignity.\n\n6. Once the nation was at war the average German was simply fighting for his nation especially under the belief that his nation was in danger. None of the leaders in ww1 were especially charismatic yet millions of young men threw their lives for the sake of the nation."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's just like Trump. A small percentage of septuagenarian grandpas would cum their pants when they heard his voice on the newfangled radio, then they took everything a little too far"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was he as based and autisitc as the book and tv series make him to be?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Anons?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGraves took a lot of liberties but maybe. I enjoyed the first book but I’ve not read the sequel (Claudius the God): would you recommend?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "«APOCOLOCYNTOSIS DIVI CLAVDII» IS ONE OF THE BEST WORKS OF LITERARY SATIRE EVER MADE."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tv series are just like real life"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">we could have had Union elephant cavalry versus Confederate horse cavalry charges\nVGH, WHAT COULD OF BEEN"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen the symbol of the Republican Party could’ve been an elephant, weird"}, {"id": 3, "content": "PRÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖH!! :DDDDDD"}, {"id": 4, "content": "https://armyhistory.org/the-u-s-armys-camel-corps-experiment/\nWe could have had Union elephants vs. Confederate camels"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What were the Germans thinking at this point?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Two more weeks. Trust the plan. - H"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>yeah but imagine if the roles were reversed."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were thinking about new technologies to set up colonies in Antartica, before the war ended all the important leaders including Hitler went there and built the 4th reich underground.\nThe nazis still control the world behind the curtains through their Antartican colonies and globohomo was imposed on the world as punishment for WW2"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Chill guys it was just a prank IT WAS JUST A PRA-"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler actually thought that if he encircled the allies in Belgium (again) they would accept a White Peace and helf him fight the Soviets"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\nHitler thought the red arly would collapse at any moment"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>JUST FUCKEN MEIN SHIESSEN UPPEN"}, {"id": 9, "content": "OP do you realize thst if Steiners counterattack had succeeded it would have routed the red army across the front and captured Moscow and the allies would have sued for peace sooner afterwards"}, {"id": 10, "content": "They thought:\n>we should retreat behind the Oder, fortify the mountains in bohemia and hold the vienna-graz line and use the mountains and 3-5 Infantry Divisions stacked up in every single province along the entire eastern front\n>we need to switch our entire military production to anti-tanks to attach them to the infantry divisions to hold the East and produce more fighters\n>then save fuel and bring every single tank and mechanized or motorized infantry division to the West to throw the Allies back into the sea and then slowly, but methodically do encircling manoeuvres against the soviets, until most of their army is gone"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Fucking JEWS! This is all their fault."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSteiner will bring it under control."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey still thought the war was somewhat salvageable.\n\n>Stall the soviets at all cost. Inflict as much casualties as possible.\n\n>When Roosevelt dies the alliance between UK and USSR will collapse. Allies will agree to a seperate peace and join forces with Germany to push back the communists out of Europe.\n\n>Operation Spring Awakens will secure enough oil to continue the war.\n\n>Oder line defenses and operation soltice will inflict heavy casualties on the Red Army and cause a stalemate. Bleeding the enemy white will give us an edge in peace negotiations.\n\n>Mobilize the entire male population and give everyone a rocket launcher to increase enemy casualties\n\n>If we achieve a decisive victory on the western allies their momentum will be shattered and their loose alliance will begin to fracture.\n\n>scientists are promising us wunderwaffen anytime soon. The new jets will regain control over the skies. The new submarines will close allied logistic lines.\n\n>If we're not going to make it out of this war then the world won't matter. Kill as many as you can, destroy as much as you can, and let Germany and the German people die with it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf red areas are active combat zones, what was going on at all the points along the frontiers that aren't red? Were troops just sitting there, not doing anything?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\n>Act like a violent nigger and betray anyone who gives into your demands\n>Poland and Britain refuse to give into your demands as a result\nStop acting like a dindu nuffin."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nLocal attacks actions, patrolling, jockeying for position, stuff like that. Noone can sustain a major attack every where at once, nor are the road/terrain conditions suitable everywhere."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\ni want to believe"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n/thread, they'd completely lost all reality at this point."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe WW2 in general was literal \"HOLY SH- WE EFFED UP FOR REAL!\" moment of Germany, look up the defeatism in Germany and officer purges in nazi Germany, everyone acknowledged knew they messed up anything for real.\nHitler and other romantics in other hand believed in themselves so much that they thought they would win if they didnt...\nsurrender. Yep, lets see if this worked."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"I hope all those nuclear scientists that left don't make a nuclear bomb\""}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrkraftzersetzung\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot\nThe Hitler in other hand:\nhttps://militaryhistorynow.com/2020/09/24/hitlers-halt-order-how-the-infamous-directive-to-save-the-floundering-russia-campaign-was-a-recipe-for-disaster/"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What were the Germans thinking at this point?\nRIP Europe"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Glad we starved all those such kids"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nDutch*"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir emperor was talking in German to his horse, they were literally ruled by a madman."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt can't be helped..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what do you think history would be like if le interent was created in like 1925 or something?\nwould it even be that different?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nreal time holohoax deboonking."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Millions must die\n>German Flag"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndepends who has access to it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnonstop aussie shit talking during ww2"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomething liket he internet never would have been invented in a world where w sole hegemon like the US dominates economically. Especially since it would naturally follow that information on the internet would become commodified. I don't think social media would exist, but something like a virtual university or general information directory might exist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>*a world without a sole hegemon\nKeyboard shat itself"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Americans betray Mobutu? The French and Belgians were still willing to back him and all the new 'government' did was destabilise the region. This was probably the most retarded decisions the Americans made in Africa"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did the Americans betray Mobutu?\nThey didn't. Mobutu cucked himself over by over promisibg rewards and failing to keep tabs on people/companies."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you consider Mustafa Kemal Ataturk as a major historical figure of the 20th century? How significant was the print he left on the course of history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot really"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Had Murat still been on his side during Waterloo, would that have affected the outcome? I think that Murat would have done a much better job of shadowing the Prussians and have attracted their attention to himself like how he has always done"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit was amazing to me just how many people were willing to go to war all the time which helped Napoleon to form new armies all the time\nlike what the shit, was he really that good and charismatic of a leader that people would eagerly join him and give their lives away in the horrors of the battle"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWell, a ton of his Marshalls outright owed their careers to him. He also had a reputation for miracles."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHaving a Marshal-ranked dedicated cavalry commander would probably have improved things immensely, but he would have been better spent on the field of Waterloo.\nI don't think Grouchy did a bad job, given the tools and information that he was given though."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI'd add that I think having Berthier back would have made more of a difference than Murat."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who were the good guys in the Spanish Civil War?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "PCE. Spain would have been better off under one of Stalin's puppets than under reactionary landowners."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe falangists"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNationalists, the Republicans trying to ban religious schooling after about a 2% difference in the 1936 election favoring the left wing coalition was a step too far and obvious provocation. The anti clericalism wouldn't have stopped there so I firmly believe the casus belli of the Nationalists to be superior."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Fascists"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nHonestly had that happened it would have been invaded by Hitler during WWII and all the commies would have been executed. Then, after the war was over Spain would have become democratic like Italy and received Marshal Plan gibs. It's a good timeline, honestly."}, {"id": 7, "content": "The saviours of Spain"}, {"id": 8, "content": "SCIMU FRATELLLIIIII\nANAIAK GARRAAAAA"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">\"Waaaah, they were killing and raping nuns\"\n>The nuns:"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe moorish soldiers for raping Spanish women."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthread theme\nhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=g-5hoagAaN0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack people"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nThey probably would have broken themselves on the Pyrenees"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThey let rich American adopt poor orphans? What monsters"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe ones that were backed by a Constitution"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThey straight up told throusants of parents that their baby died at birth, showed them the corpse of an older baby, not a newborn, if they got suspicious and buried an empty casket. What happened to the fucking baby? Where did it go, are they okay? Can we really trust father Pedro Pederasto?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nPOUM were the real heroes, anon. Stop simping for fascists in red."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe revolutionaries (the nationalists)"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Carlists\n\n>>2\n>>17\nStalin sabotaged the republican side because it would have ruined all the good will he built up with the west. If the other powers though he was funding the overthrowing of foreign regimes they would have united against him."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>stealing someone's baby is okay because money\nI thought this board irrationally hated Jews and Jew behavior."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone\n>And the bad guys?\nNone\nIf a civil war happen in your country your are not to glorious fight against nazi/commies , the army that happen to get to your city first is going to force to fight o kill you"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone but Franco was a lesser evil compared to communists. Especially after he chilled out and let free markets flourish in the 70s leading to a golden age of prosperity. No communist state ever led to economic prosperity. A throne and altar conservative is not necessarily hostile to economic freedom but communists are."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nWhy? What's wrong with owning land?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly the Nazis, the other were morally grey at best."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\n>>16\n>>20\nnever happened, unironically. this was a hoax perpetrated by leftists after franco's death, in 2008 actually, and to this day there is still not evidence it ever happened. just more \"lets make shit up until something sticks\"\nthe only time this occurred was during the immediate post-war with mothers who had been sentenced to death for their blood crimes, and the children were left as orphans and given to adoption.\nthough im sure that this was also terrible for a child that had committed no crime, the communists would have rathered reward the murderous mother and convince her to abort the child instead. much more humane."}, {"id": 26, "content": "you already know the answer\nthe winner obviously"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Franco, obviously."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>betrays his own allies and prevents a true fascist state\nFuck off, and go back.\nPRESENTE"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nwas losing spain's gold part of his plan?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nGod's Army. Duh."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nget a better gimmick\none based in reality would do much better\n>>28\n>noooooooo you only applied 70% of my ideology even though i only accounted for 1/10th of the fighting forces during the war you are a traitor reeeeeeeeeeeeee\nget a grip, id agree with you if spain went downhill as a result, but exactly the opposite happened"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe nationalists obviously\nthe republicans were freemasons, communists, anarchists, who only wanted to kill and destroy\nthe nationalists were led by the falage which was bad, but in the long term allowed for a constitutional monarchy to take charge, which is objectively the best form of government"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>constitutional monarchy to take charge, which is objectively the best form of government\nphew i thought you were serious for a second there. good one"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>2\n>Becomes Poland tier poor\nThe current timeline is genuinely the best. Franco ditched the extremes of Falangism and just adopted a technocratic authoritarian state that turned Spain into a first world country again."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe good guys always win, so the winners obviously"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCarlists.\n*refuses to elaborate*"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\n>constitutional monarchy\n>good in literally any way\nlol"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\n>...but in the long term allowed for a cardboard cutout monarchy to take charge, which is objectively the best form of government\nFixed"}, {"id": 39, "content": "None of them. There are no good guys in wars like this."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\n>chilled out\nHe was going cold a'rite"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>unknown\nHow would a franquist regime look even like today in the internet era? OH DO YOU LE MISS ME, means nothing."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>French and Mexican\nBoth later support nationalists side. So Franco all the way."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>20\nthis board hates white people. lmfao"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe people who shot the anarchists and communists for burning down churches and stealing peoples' property"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nWut?, Mexico's government never recognized the regime as Spain's legitimate government."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>Even though the Mexican government supported the Republicans, most of the Mexican population, such as the peasant Cristeros, preferred Franco and the Nationalists. Mexico had suffered from the 1926–1929 Cristero War in which President Plutarco Elías Calles tried to enforce militant state atheism; it led to the deaths of many people as well as the suppression of popular religious Mexican celebrations.\nWho cares about government policy."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nShitskins don't know what's good for them. Nothing new"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis statement by Churchill sums up pretty well who were the good guys."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nDid he knew Franco wanted Gibraltar back?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe CNT-FAI."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't poos eat the dogs? Or the cows?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey aren't chinks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nTo prevent themselves from starving when food was really low Ukrainians have eaten dogs and pigeons, there's absolutely no shame in eating a dog to survive\nWhy are indins so arrogant? You would turn up your nose to that yet blame others for your inability to grow food"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSlavs are chinks, unlike indians"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI'd rather eat you than a dog or innocent animal. Kys."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nThey believe killing animals gives you bad karma\nEssentially for them killing the dog for meat sends you to Hell"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSo these retards starved to death because they literally wouldn't eat the food that was all around them lmao\n\nIt's over"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nWe get it, vegans are just closeted cannibals all along"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they are <80 IQ for the most part and the high 90 IQ ones leave India or get into positions of power then exploit everybody because of their backwards caste system\nThey are literal retards"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nExactly. Dogs scare all my birb friends and aren't as cute as the chubby 2 legged dinos. They're probably less tasty than chicken but I'd eat a dog if push came to shove."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood point"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It only seems to be attractive to women, suicidal incels, neo-nazis trying too hard to anti-semitic/christian, and midwit pseuds who wanted le esoteric religion but too dumb or poor for anything beyond breathing exercises and imagining 1000-armed gigajeets."}, {"id": 2, "content": "If you're not a woman (or a twink) it can be pretty chill, incense, weed, peace and love."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Well basically when I was 16 years old I was watching youtube videos after school and I came upon a debate between two Christians\nOne was a Catholic and the other was some kind of Protestant and they were arguing about the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist\nI sat there and listened absentmindedly for about 20 minutes until I had this sudden realisation that what these people are arguing about is magic and that unlike the fantasy of Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, it is socially acceptable to believe in this kind of magic when it concerns religion\nFrom that point on I have been fascinated with religion and especially religious doctrine and Buddhism contains that par excellence among the Eastern religions\nThe fully enlightened Buddha was capable of astral projecting himself wherever he wanted\nHe was able to astral project himself and teach his mother, Maya who resided in heaven"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>women, suicidal incels, neo-nazis trying too hard to anti-semitic/christian, and midwit pseuds\nwho exists outside of these?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be a green guy who is the lord of the underworld on egypt\n>have a son who also is a bird\n>feelsnice.jpg\n>get killed by my brother who is the god of disorder just because of my wife had conceived a another child\n>get my body copied by gods over ancient years of sand everywhere so i rule again and again until the end of times\n\nfuck you seth this is why i will never let you get into my family again"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was it that caused protestants to be good at literacy, catholics mediocre and original orthodox just bad?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">protestantism: literacy good because every man should be able to read the bible\n>catholicism/orthodoxy: literacy isn't important because you don't need to read the bible, the priest does that"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Gee... why does the religion that encourages the faithful to read their holy text have higher literacy than the religions that want their adherants to get all their doctrine from a priest speaking in a language they can't understand..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you being retarded on purpose?\n\nProtestantism makes means that everyone has to READ the bible to be a respected member of society. In the two traditional sects you only have to go to the church and listen to the priest."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Maybe the causation is backwards. Protestantism didn't make people literate. Literacy made people Protestant."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So Muslims believe Abraham was told to sacrifice Ishmael and not Isaac, right? Did Muhammad come up with that or was there anyone before him who believed that that was how it went down? Same question for any other possible Muslim retcon."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIshmael - God Hears\nIsaac - laughter"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCould you elaborate?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe pre-Islamic Arabs also had this story"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNot calling you wrong, but could you provide a citation for that? I don’t know Jack shit about pre-Muslim Arabs."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was no Abraham so Muslims don't exist. Jews don't exist either."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmohammad basically took all the bible stories and turned them into:\n>obey god or get punished\nanyone with an iq higher than 80 should realize that islam is just slave morality"}, {"id": 8, "content": "I wonder if there was any tradition about Adam building Kaaba and then being rebuilt by Abraham and Ishmael"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe samaritan torah, which most scholars believe is the more archaic and conservative version rather than the rabbinic torah, mentions ishmael explicitly here, the parts from the rabbinic torah that insult and curse ishmael are gone too"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither do Christians exist."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWhat?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad didn't exist. It's all bullshit that was made up two centuries later."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nthose are the meanings of the names. Ishmael is far more prestigious"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nJudeo-Christianbros..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the Christian God were real, prayers would yield actual probable physical results in reality at least sometimes.\nIf the Christian God were real, Genesis would contain the correct creation story verified by science while all the other myths would be wrong.\nIf the Christian God were real, God would continue showing up after the widespread proliferation of cameras.\nIf Catholicism were true, the revised age of the Earth would have been revealed by priests before science.\nIf Catholicism were true, the priests would have some verifiable ability to summon god to affect reality.\nIf Catholicism were true, the wafers and wine would literally turn into flesh and blood like they say they do.\n\nThe way Christians cant understand this shows how fundamentally irrational they are.\nThere are many who realize this and leave, the others?\n..Yeesh"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I always assumed the flesh and blood thing was just a metaphor, it was a real shock to realize they claim they’re literally turning the bread into flesh."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt makes some sense in the context of aristotelian philosophy. The cracker and the wine were never supposed to physically turn into matter identical to flesh and blood.\nNot that I believe it anyway, but it's not as dumb as it sounds."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod exists\nCatholic doctrine is true"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll of these are true and the big bang theory was literally first demonstrates by a Catholic priest"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just prayed for your hemorrhoids to itch terribly, tubby. Let us know if that worked and I’ll reassess my belief system accordingly"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nOnly joke denominations believe that."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The way Christians cant understand this shows how fundamentally irrational they are.\nYou literally just made up your own criteria and then acted like Christians are irrational for not submitting to them. Your arbitrary criteria aren't what God will judge you by so they're irrelevant"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis post feels... euphoric"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If the Christian God were real, prayers would yield actual probable physical results in reality at least sometimes\nIt does. Just not in ways how you expect it to and sometimes G_d says no.\n>>1 (OP)\n>If the Christian God were real, Genesis would contain the correct creation story verified by science while all the other myths would be wrong.\nIt is true tho\n>>1 (OP)\n>If the Christian God were real, God would continue showing up after the widespread proliferation of cameras.\nHe does.\n>>1 (OP)\n>If Catholicism were true, the revised age of the Earth would have been revealed by priests before science.\n? How so? I'm not even C*tholic\n>>1 (OP)\n>If Catholicism were true, the priests would have some verifiable ability to summon god to affect reality.\n? G_d isn't some pet or genie. He's an omnipotent being that does whatever he wants.\n>>1 (OP)\n>If Catholicism were true, the wafers and wine would literally turn into flesh and blood like they say they do.\nOh, you were baiting. Sorry."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nFarmers physically and personally interact with their cattle every single day, you fucking downy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSo does God"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Nature is pretty, so that means a specific version of a specific God exists\nWhy are Christians like this? I could understand Muslims being this retarded, but Christians? You should be better than this."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>what is digestion"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you even pray, bro?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nYour god is nature?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe were concerned with your points when we were 14. Then we grew out of it. Why didn't you?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nMy God controls nature"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nGod's law is nature/truth.\n\nHave you ever noticed that the only way the laws in the bible change, is with a miracle? As an Atheist, you can understand, the idea of impossible things. You read something outlandish, like a talking donkey, or a burning bush, or a man walking on water. You say, \"that's impossible, you can't break the laws of nature\". This is so that you will understand. The laws of man, are not the laws of God.\nThe government will never be God. There will always be something greater than your government. The will always be a law that exists above the laws of man."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nBy like magic? How do you know that"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nI worship Truth."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nTruth is a word humans made up"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nTruth is a guy with holes in his hands"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nBy definition.\nHow do you know ow a dog is a dog? You look at it, and say, \"Dog\".\nIn tje beginning, God said, \"let there be light.\" And the concept of light was created."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>truth doesnt exist\nthen it means nothing is true including what you think is true, therefore ther eis no need for debate as there is not any true conclusion to this debate as true itself doesnt exist."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nWhy do you think some guy walked on water 2000 years ago?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>another westoid thinks only way to debate about theism is through strawmanning christianity\nLolz, you already lost."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nIs that all it means to you? It means much more to me."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nHow do you know your God controls the dog?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nHow am I misrepresenting Christians? They believe this universe's cause died on a cross 2000 years ago"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nThe sign you seek is related to jonah and the whale."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>20\nMagic? No, by His omnipotent power whereby He also created it. The means by which we know God is the sensus divinitatis, or immediate general revelation, which is the natural knowledge of God inherent to His image bearers. We know God the very same way we know ourselves."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nA proposition is true\nWords only stand in relationship to other words\n\nI don't know what it means for some guy to BE truth, spookster nonsense"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"For those with faith, no evidence is necessary. For those without it, no evidence will suffice.\" -Thomas Aquinas"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>sensus divinitatis\nWhat it that like a superpower?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nAre you euphoric in this moment?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck off nigger lover. If I ever meet you in real life I'll fucking kill you so you can meet God."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n1st order cope\n\nI would be more receptive to there being such a thing as the supernatural, if I saw a miracle\nIf that was more specific, like doing intercessory prayer to Mary and someone getting healed, I would seriously look into Catholicism, etc\n\nIt's just super silly to pretend that nothing could change my mind"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nNo but seriously, how I rank up my sensus divinatis?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>29\nThe dog has free will. It's not controlled by God. However, the dog will suffer the consequences of God's law, for the choices that the dog makes."}, {"id": 41, "content": "I still think it's super weird for God to do 2000 years of radio silence"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nNobody believes you, they are right to not believe you"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nAlright bad example. What is something in nature that God controls, that isn't a dog?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>30\n1. The Father is greater than the Son.\n2. He is not dead. He is risen."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nSomeone prays in the name of Jesus and my missing pink finger grows back\nYou just going to keep pretending that would do nothing towards changing my mind about Christianity?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nHow am I supposed to know that you're an Armenian?\nThat's a minority position. Most Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nYes that would do nothing. Because the problem is spiritual, not intellectual. You have plenty of light what you do not have is a heart of flesh."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nYou pray in the name of Jesus, my finer is healed.\nThen I apparently \"become a Christian\", get baptized, starts going to church, modify my behaviour, etc\n\nYou just going to keep insisting my mind hasn't been changed?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIf you're a baptized Christian why are we having this absurd conversation?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nI used to be an Atheist, until you prayed in the name of Jesus for my finger to be healed"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nGlad to hear it."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nWhy do say my finger growing back had nothing to do with me changing my mind?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>34\nIs it irony that he’s named after the doubting apostle? You know, the guy who despite ostensibly viewing miracles with his own eyes had to stick his hand in the gash to believe? Serious questions"}, {"id": 54, "content": "Even Peter the most powerful apostle rejected Jesus, even after seeing all the magic stuff"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Polish people knew about the Holocaust and they didn't do anything"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hitler knew about the Holocaust and did nothing."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermans knew about the Armenian genocide and propped up the Turks anyway"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommunists aren’t people and killing them was based"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Polish people knew about the Holocaust and they didn't do anything\nhttps://youtu.be/Q88AkN1hNYM?t=98 [Embed]\nYou say wut bro?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "I haven't done anything about any of the genocides I know about."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nit is not within your power to do anything"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>Armenian genocide\n>Muhhh 30 gazillion Armenians babies wuzz chucked in da seeea, we wuzz kangz b4 dat\nWorse fiction than the holocaust, at least the Jews made up evidence. There is no evidence when for this bs"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYes it is."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nCommunists are the only real people. Everybody else is something lesser."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "only murtads who break their oath (Bayah) to the caliph get killed. The rest can seethe abroad."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/_xhrIUVQNpQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nLol\nhttps://youtu.be/O9xMR-TbQAo [Embed]\n\nSocial contracts. Can you even read?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the Muslim conception eventually there won't be an abroad."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIf they break their oath to the state they will be killed, otherwise they will just be viewed as weirdos."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nFair enough. On the other hand I kind of wonder if eventually a Muslim world state would just create some sort of Dhimmi Bantustans. or other such things."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nThis guy thinks Elon Musk is a literal wizard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok i'll keep it short. Basically i'll argue my case around 2 points: Who Joan of Arc put as the king of France and who made her a saint.\nFirst, the case of Charles VII. He may have been the heir of the French throne, but he was a decadent prince. This thread isn't about Charles VII so I won't elaborate but you're free to look if you doubt my claim.\nSecond, the case of Calixt III, who canonized her. He was a Borgia! That's self explanatory\nNot convinced? How about one of her companion, the infamous child slayer Gilles de Rais?\nSurely she had a lot of dubious friends and admirer for a girl who's supposed to be sainthood incarnate.\nNot to mention that starting around Charles VII was the point where France started to become a degenerate hell hole.\n>in b4 seething anglo\nI'm not, i'm just a concerned catholic."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nobody to prove me wrong? Fine I hereby declare myself tye victor then"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's John of ACK\n\nThe African queen"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Deal with this, mythicistfags."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tacitus\nThe guy who described all Germans as redheads?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tacitus' reference to Jewsus\nFTFY"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nFrederick the Great: A Military Life, Christopher Duffy. As the title suggests its about his campaigns, if that's what you're interested in"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR\n>*declares war a mere month into his second term*\nlol"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was huge public support for the war by 1917. He was pretty much told towards the end that if he doesn't do it, then congress is going to go ahead and do it without him"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOkay now go learn Spanish"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>There was huge public support for the war by 1917\nDo you have any polls or so to back up that claim?\nThe fact that he got re-elected with that campaign slogan would suggest the opposite.\n\nAll I can find evidence of is that there was huge Jewish support for the war. There were warmongering Rabbis spreading anti-German propaganda in the streets of New York, while Jewish-owned newspapers like the NYT lambasted anyone who was opposed to a US entry into the war."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKrauts gave him no choice. How could any American president not respond when a foreign nation is sinking your ships and encouraging your neighbours to declare war on you?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nGo read Michael Neiberg's The Path to War, you can find it online"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThere was huge public support for the war because he had allowed British propagandists to operate freely (a courtesy he did not extend to German propagandists) and because he had convinced the Germans that the US was already their enemy by bankrolling the Entente aswell as sending them war material (which made the Germans less hesitant to do USW and eager to seek an ally in Mexico)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWoodrow Wilson is the worst president in American history\nThere is no contest"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nI want a poll, not pilpul."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nReading 250 pages too hard for you? No wonder you're sperging out about the muh jews"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n> Open a PDF of Michael Neiberg's The Path to War\n> Control + F \"poll\"\n> 5 results\n> no poll shows any indication that the vast majority of average Americans calling for war\nYou're full of shit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">Wilson had declared US neutrality soon after the war began in 1914 but American public opinion was largely on the side of the Entente from day one. Few Americans had much use for Wilhelm II's Germany, which they stereotyped as a country of jack-booted Old World despots and what's more, German manufactured wares were a significant competitor to American industry. Central Powers support was largely limited to German-Americans, many of them still citizens of the old country in all but name, and Irish-Americans, who looked to anyone who was an enemy of their ancient antagonist.\n\n>Moreover, Britain employed a very skilled and persuasive propaganda offensive in the United States while Central Powers attempts at propaganda were awful and ham-fisted. Wilson himself was a staunch Anglophile and had often spent his summer vacations in the UK."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI don't think it can be stressed enough that the American ruling class was and is a bunch of ethnically English speakers of English. The American and British ruling classes are all inter-married and all go on holiday to each others parties and were all taught the same English literature and philosophy at school."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>the worst president in American history\nNone of them have been that great"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nthere has been no president aside from Van Buren who hasn't been of at least part Anglo-Irish ancestry"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>dear mexico, please attack America for us, it would be kind of funny lol\n>t. Kaiser Willy"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>Wilhelm II's Germany, which they stereotyped as a country of jack-booted Old World despots\nHow the fuck did people fall for this? The German Empire wasn't even 50 year old by the time the war happened."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBecause the German army did dumb shit like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabern_Affair"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nWashington was great"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\n>sail into war area trying to supply a participant\n>\"WTF why are my ships being attacked?\""}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>murdering non-belligerents in complete contravention of internal law is okay"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nReminder that the ship was loaded with munitions for britain thus being a legitimate target and media lied for a century that it was a passenger ship. They also made it illegal to dive in or raise the ship to keep the lie covered up."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>the ship\nuwotm8? Do you think the Germans only sank one neutral merchant?\nNot mention that it doesn't matter what the cargo is, sinking a merchant without warning is a no no."}, {"id": 24, "content": "If he cucked and didn't do anything people would still hate him for \"being cowardly and allowing germans to kill Americans and try and convince mexico to invade\". Wilson is one of those historical figures who could cure cancer and would get blamed for threatening doctors livelihoods for doing so."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nhe is talking about the sinking of the Lusitania which was heavily used for propaganda. Also\n>neutral merchant"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Not mention that it doesn't matter what the cargo is, sinking a merchant without warning is a no no.\nsimpul as"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nSo is covertly shipping weapons into a warzone. Obviously they did it on purpose because they wanted to get involved."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIf a merchant happens to be shipping contraband of war, then it should be detained and brought to port. If circumstances dictate that it must be sunk then its crew and passengers must be given sufficient warning to evacuate and provision made for their safety - preferable by taking them on board."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nNot possible due to the British blockade"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nYour delusional they were doing shady shit and wanted a excuse to get involved in the war while looking like the “good” guys it’s americas MO always has been and always will be there unironically are dindu nuffins"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJ.W. Bush said it right\n>\"you are rats\""}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>17\nThe german empire only being 50 years old is exactly why it was so retarded.\n\nThey still had a massive number of land owning aristocrats refereed to as Junckers. Plus all the princes of various regions of Germany like Bavaria\n\nCompare it to Britain or France and it’s like night and day"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nTo this very day Britain has a massive number of land owning aristocrats."}, {"id": 34, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2 words balfour declaration...........you know stab in the back hitler talked about"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\nThe laws and customs of war don't change just because your navy is incapable of fighting."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThe British weren't following them and the supposedly neutral Americans weren't following them, so why the fuck should the Germans follow them?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>The British weren't following them\nHow so?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>13\nGigabased. Anglos always win, krauts always lose."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nThey routinely stopped neutral vessels and confiscated their goods, a clear violation of the neutrality of the particular states and the conventions protecting that neutrality, while those neutral states were under no obligation to prevent their merchants from importing goods only to export it to Germany as an intermediary (which was the reason why the British did it). And when speaking of customs, the custom is to prevent civilian suffering as much as possible, but the British blockade was specifically designed to bring about as much civilian suffering as possible by literally making Germany starve."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>10\nReading a whole book requires enough time for this thread to be archived or deleted.\nYou're just trying to duck the argument if you don't at least give a specific page.\nTry pulling that shit when writing an article."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThe total importation of goods, i.e. the confiscation of foodstuffs, to the central powers was commenced in reprisal for the german campaign of no warning sinkings. The blockade evovled as the war continued and prior to uboat campiagn the defination of contraband of war quite tame."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nIt was commenced shortly after the Germans declared USW for the first time in February 1915, but they kept seizing foodstuffs even after the Germans ceased USW in August 1915 so that excuse is bogus."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>germany demonstrates complete contempt for civilised conduct\n>but you have to play by the rules"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nIf you want to legitimately claim you have moral superiority, yes."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's in reverse order in 1915, but in correct order in 1917 when the Germans started USW again while the British never stopped the total blockade, and given what this thread is about, the latter year is more relevant."}, {"id": 47, "content": "What would the war and versailles have looked like with Hughes as President?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nLeonard Wood leads the AEF instead of Pershing."}, {"id": 49, "content": "Just another case of liberal \"democracy\" failing to force politicians to actually do what the people want\nwe need immediate recalls, if not an American Lenin"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>17\nThere was Prussia and the other German kingdoms. Then, literally everything that Wilhelm II said and did."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>23\nU boats would approach merchant ships and ask for them to surrender but after a while Britain started to just shoot at the U boats with their merchant crews after they re-emerged It literally left Germany with no choice but to sink them because they were acting so fucking dishonesty"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "*Makes your history more interesting"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">\"I guess the real Cold War was all the millions we made from skimming heroin shipments from the Golden Triangle along the way\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe real grift was in the middle east, and then griftier still was the cartel grift"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it really that hard to reform the economy instead of giving up completely and cucking to the US?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Pizza Hut managed to achieve what Nazi Germany couldn't"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe’ll see in the next two years if Russia can uncuck itself from American globalism while we’re at our most tranny.\nMy feeling is no."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou live in a fantasy world"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was it really that hard to reform\nthey didn't want to do that"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThey will but they’ll take China and Saudi Arabia with them and you won’t like it very much. You don’t think it be like it do, but such is how it go"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReforming the economy (and the cutting of military expenditures that entailed) basically meant renouncing the ideological basis for the soviet state existing in the first place."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe wanted it to collapse. A bunch of parasitic KGB appartchiks and state company managers were bitter that they couldn't be billionaires like their Western counterparts. A State Company manager in the Soviet Union was paid less than a Soviet miner. This would not do, no matter how much they padded their pockets stealing from the government their Western counterparts owned yatchs and private planes and vacationed on the French riviera and they wanted all that.\n\nSo they staged a fake \"collapse\" to loot and dismantle the State and became the new Russian oligarchs. The Soviet Central Bank reserves vanished overnight through offshore banks in Jersey, nobody knows where they went (FIMACO scandal) and when a prosecutor tried to investigate it in the 1990s, Putin (Head of the FSB) destroyed his career. Entire companies were stripped of its machinery and capital to line the pocket of a few under Yeltsin (this was called asset stripping). There were mafia wars and assassinations over who would control the new privatized industries, even something called the \"Aluminum Wars\". Like hyenas fighting over a carcass.\n\nhttps://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv6n1/gorbach.htm\n>My ambition was to liquidate communism, the dictatorship over all the people. Supporting me and urging me on in this mission was my wife, who was of this opinion long before I was. I knew that I could only do this if I was the leading functionary. In this my wife urged me to climb to the top post. While I actually became acquainted with the West, my mind was made up forever. I decided that I must destroy the whole apparatus of the CPSU and the USSR. Also, I must do this in all of the other socialist countries. My ideal is the path of social democracy. Only this system shall benefit all the people. This quest I decided I must fulfil.\n\n>I found friends that had the same thoughts as I in Yakovlev and Shevernadze, they all deserve to be thanked for the break-up of the USSR and the defeat of Communism."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWe lived in Berlin at the time. My dad bought bulletproof vests and helmets from the army bases to send to the civil war in ex yugoslavia. I think a lot of people were realizing there was no one really in charge and they had a chance to make some easy money during that time."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is still the most surreal advertisement I've ever seen, it feels like it should be a parody."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nIn germany the head of the SED Gregor Gysi(who is still a member of the bundestag) made sure to hide all the party money (which included a literal bank vault where they kept gold and silver) or give it out as credit so party members could start their own businesses which the party controlled. The equivalent of 1.3 billion euros went missing this way and two crown witnesses in the case died in car crashes.\nThe richest party in germany today (cdu) barely owns a tenth of what went missing back then in assets. This money was meant to go to east germans as part of economic relief during the reunification and the GDR uniparty was never even supposed to have this money in the first place.\nThis was a giant case that every big newspaper covered, yet no one was arrested and the money was never recovered."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nyou live in a same universe where a soft drink company became one of the world's most powerful navies"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nForgot my picture."}, {"id": 14, "content": "It has truly been a clown world for a long time.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2TXY6SNuD4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>>12\n>Former president Donald Trump. Somebody up there has a wild sense of humour"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>>15\n\n>le Pepsi navy fun fact XDDD\nIsn't even true\n\n>le blumf\n>became le president I le weep XDDD\nYeah a billionaire businessman became president and now they have a dementia patient pedophile rambling incoherently and can't walk up a flight of stairs (the most voted for president in history supposedly) and retarded redditors like you think the businessman president is the stranger of the two.\n\nGo back faggots."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI mean I wouldnt exactly call tea a soft drink but the east india company did have a proper military and navy."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nits been clown world from the beginning of civilization and it will be clown world long after you are dead, retards refuse to understand how human beings operate and engage in wishful thinking that the time they exist in is somehow integral or pivotal for better or worse"}, {"id": 19, "content": "It's not that hard. Many other countries transitioned by opening up their economy sector by sector. They didn't just open the flood gates lol. That was on the stupid russian politicians. As always, russian leadership proved itself too corrupt and useless to do anything right."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\nWhat a shitshow"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was it really that hard to reform the economy\nThat would go against the whole justification for the existence of their Union. In the end it was less about money and more about the connections made through cronyism becoming meaningless under the influence of private wealth. They wanted to keep themselves comfortable, not stable.\n>instead of giving up completely and cucking to the US?\nA capitalist USSR/Russia would still be playing an eternal game of catch-up with the West. Especially given the decades of logistical nightmares to maneuver while reforming an entire empire before seeing an investment return - let alone one that won't cause secondhand embarrassment when trying to compete on the global market.\n\n\nTldr: it was fucking over when it started"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nYou seem astonishingly butt-blasted there little fella. It’s ok, it’ll all be ok"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is when autistic commie hardliners run everything and start a coup."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">knows God exists and that God is all powerful\n>still defies him\n>destined to hell for eternity\n>tries to drag as many souls with him as possible\n\nunholy based"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's just being retarded and edgy exactly like an angsty teenager."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nMakes sense why atheists like him then"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBruh, how is serving like a mindless slave any better? How is doing nothing as the agony of reality unfolds moral?\nIm not saying demons are somehow justified, but angels are as bad."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPlease go back"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">knows God exists and that God is all powerful\n>still defies him\n>destined to hell for eternity\n>tries to drag as many souls with him as possible\n\n>unholy based"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine you are a king, it is ypur right to be the legal king. You rule as the king and everyone approves of your rule.\nOne of your princes rebel against you and your other princes bring him to you saying \"This guy tried to be king even though he is just a petty prince\", the choices would either be killing that loser or exiling him so he cant bother you at all.\nI dont think I would ever call this rebellipus prince a \"unholy based\", in any situation at all. He was just a bitter petty prince tried to be a king but could not.\nThe worst part is, if he was patient enough he would witness the moment when gates of heaven opened and everyone was accepted to be one with king and just like him (look up theosis) but was too impatient. Bah humbug, Lucifer, too prideful and impatient for anything."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery day Lucifer looks more like a human than an angel in this painting."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>knows God is NOT exist\n>still preaches him\n>destined to hell everyone who does not believe in God\n>tries to drag as many souls into his cult as possible\n>referred as God and Savior"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nHey Goldstein\n\n>>4\n>serving\n>mindless slave\nYou out an egregiously negative connotation on “service,” implying you have to sacrifice some major aspect of your life to be a believer.\n>doing nothing as the agony of reality unfolds\n>if Angels real, why bad thing happen"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nMakes no sense why a perfect God who needs nothing, would choose to create a world he knew would have stuff he doesn't like in it (like Satan)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is really interesting is that he knows by natural reason that he cannot be like God in the sense of being the uncreated creator, but he still wants to be worshipped like a god in that regard. That is why he told Eve, \"You will be like God...\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe only rebelled against the demiurge\n\nThe demiurge isn't the highest god lmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Language is to facilitate communication. Slang is the antithesis of language. What is the purpose of using slang?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nto communicate with an in-group"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>slang is discriminatory\ncringe"}, {"id": 4, "content": "To facilitate communication\n\nEnglish evolved from Anglo-Saxon slang\n\nAnglo-Saxon evolved from West Germanic slang\n\nWest Germanic evolved from Proto-Germanic slang"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNot cringe. Sorry if you can’t keep up with the times, boomer."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Slang is the antithesis of language.\nExplain this"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nkeep bastardizing language and inventing new fake words and genders, zoomxr"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Why haven’t we made a universal language yet?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nbecause humans aren’t a monolith"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou can have other languages of course, but if we all had some baseline universal one, it would save a lot of time and money."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nBecause if it happens then I'll make a new one and teach it to other people to spite you. What the fuck are you going to do about it?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWe do, it’s called English"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nbased dubs"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nNot universal and it’s efficient. Just a relic of the past.\n>>11\nObviously it wouldn’t just be one person making it. Probably with the world’s linguistic experts forming it"}, {"id": 15, "content": "The world will use Hangul. All the linguists are proclaiming it to be the next Latin script."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYou should learn Esperanto then, but you won’t because it’s stupid and nobody uses it"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nIt’s just a koreaboo phase"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nAll languages exclude the people who don't known them"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do cathlels self harm for Jesus?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don't know if I should be posting this on /lit/ instead, but I've been reading various entry-level collections of medieval-era legendry, namely Morte d'Arthur, Orlando Furioso, and the Thousand Nights and One Night, and a few other more obscure ones, and I noticed that European literature frequently contains Saracen characters portrayed quite positively (usually ending, after a very long game of playing hard-to-get, with their baptism and conversion) e.g. Sir Palomides and Ruggiero, whereas Arabian Nights has a very limited reference to Nazarenes, and rarely anything other than punching bags that exit the scene very quickly, at best.\n\nBut my question is, are there Christian, or \"Feringhee\" European, stock characters in the literary traditions of non-Christian cultures in the same fashion? Africans, Chinese, Hindus, Native Americans? The closest that comes to mind is Brer Fox of the Uncle Remus tales, who is clearly a standin for the predatory rednecks oppressing wily Brer Rabbit, but honestly that stems from an extant Christian tradition of African-American slaves in the first place."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How does one decipher languages of old when language and consequently symbols have no inherent meaning?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You just know. That's all."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Not Roman, period."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hence why we don't refer to them as Roman's.\nAnd the entire world at the time did not refer to them as Roman's either.\nThe people were referred to as Greeks and the realm was referred to as Constantinople.\n\nOnly they themselves referred to them and the realm as Rome and Roman's."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\neveryone but western europe considered them romans. Westerners preferred to call a fucking german empire \"roman\" even if it means to base their entire legitimacy on falsified documents, solely so they can pretend to be the center of the world, as they do to this very day"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I miss it bros."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe Fourth Crusade was righteous vengeance for Justinian’s “liberation” of Italy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nkek’d\n\nhttps://www.youtu.be/yH5ccW1_DUg [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDamm this was 1025? The grekoids lost all of Italy, nearly all of Asia, and huge chunks of the balkans within a century?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nTell me how Germany and Greece’s economies, modern scientific and cultural output, and foreign influence are staking up Demetrios"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nRomans toward the end had a lot of Germans in positions of high office.. it was just a historical trend; HRE is definitely more Roman than byzantium."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLegally Rome.\nGo die."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nOh yeah legally by what statute? Since last I checked rome was in Italy, and during the time of byzantium, a resident of rome would scarcely know anything about byz beyond its existence."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWill of Theodosius."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>HRE is definitely more Roman than byzantium\nIf you're not even going to take this discussion seriously then neither will I."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nPeople who don’t share your common banal Reddit opinion aren’t necessarily “not taking the debate seriously”"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>maintained the Roman language, religion, laws, customs, etc.\n>it's not Roman\nWhat did OP mean by this?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nWRE lost Britannia, Gaul, Hispania, North Africa and all of Italy in 90 or so years. You can call it keeping to Roman tradition."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>spoke Greek\n>what laws specifically?\n>contained rome for about 2 days\nWhat did t. mean by this?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt's an unbroken institutional continuity from Augustus to Constantine IX (fuck the latin empire). Having the city of Rome or not is irrelevant, as it was basically a ghost town for a thousand years, even the symbolic relevance faded. As for the language and other characteristics, many nations changed throughout the eras, but to you guys Byzantium is the only one that has to be frozen in time, not allowed to change anything or else it magically loses it's \"roman\" aura somehow.\n>Comparison: Persia is Persia since the achaemenids, despite islam and countless conquests. Egypt is Egypt since the pharaohs. China is still China, etc. But the Roman empire suddenly is not the roman empire because of some germanics with identity crisis?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe real redpill about the ERE is that it was more Roman than Greek."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nChina has plenty of historical crossroads wherein it is difficult to determine which state is “China” (kinda like today)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nIt wasn't also Greek either. Rome and Greece are Pagan. Christcucks that claim to be it are just jewish larpers. Simple as"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\n>everyone but western europe considered them romans.\nHorseshit. Even medieval Orthodox Russians and Georgians called them Greeks/ the Greek Tsardom. Keep coping, Popadopoulos."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's Turkey."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVGH\n1025 Byz is top kino Byz\ndeath to Alp Arslan, roach that he is"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>death to Alp A-ck!\nTurkey still exists and there is no Byzantine Empire\nyou lost"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>pagan\nYes, the part defined by pederasty was definitely pagan. The paganpig herd gets the rights to that, no problem"}, {"id": 27, "content": "It is such a boring basedjak take to just go “UNBROKEN IMPERIAL LINE CLEARLY BYZ IS ROME” there is absolutely no relationship between the Constantine/Valentinian dynasty and the later dynasties but that’s not really the issue, it’s worth a debate though because in my view, Byzantium starts to lose its identifiably Roman character at about the Heraclian dynasty (650 thereabout) and at this point Latin wasn’t even spoken by any of the emperors; moreover years before they’d stopped legislating in Latin. Adversely, in a few years time you’ll find dark age treating Latin and the city of Rome in much higher regard. A lot of you are just being edgey leftoids with some bone to pick with anything western and see Germanic dark age Europe as a modern fascist’s wet dream, but you’re losing face in the argument by nursing that sentiment. HRE or even moreso simply the Frankish political entity by Charlemagne’s time feels a lot more like the successor to Rome with simply a lot weaker centralization. See: Crowned by Pope in Rome\nSee: Latin maintained as liturgical language\nSee: Romance languages spoken therein\nGranted German becomes the language of the entity that takes the name in the later Middle Ages, Germanification of the region had been occurring in force since the third century. Ultimately, by the time of Otto there is nothing identifiably Roman about Byz, and if we just pretend the events of 410-500 didn’t occur, HRE and the other Catholic states look a lot like what I’d expect WRE to look like by that point anyway. Also if you think Rome or Italy is unimportant to being “Roman” then nothing is, the entire reason for Belisarius’ heroic attempts in the region was exactly because it’s important…"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>18\nSo ERE is allowed to change beyond the point of recognition and Rome isn’t important. But HRE is not rome because it’s different from Roman Empire. Shut up room temperature iq nigger."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>my team was crowned in Roma! Your team are just larpers in Konstantinoupolis!!!!!\nWelcome to 4chan…"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Are the Byzantines the original WE WUZ in history?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>revealing im a midwit who is illequipped to debate the subject with an unfunny irrelevant greentext\nWelcome to 4chan"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">ALEXIOOOOOS\n>ALEXIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>woman emperors\n>ornate eastern imperial garb\n>no one speaks latin, literally no one\n>doesn’t contain rome\n>doesn’t want to contain rome\n>is intentionally adversarial to rome in fact\nSure doesn’t sound like rome to me."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>refuses to backdown, refuses to acknowledge the fact that he is on 4chan arguing about shit that happened centuries ago, claims “people at the time though X and Y, claims other 4chan anons are (insert ad-hominem here)\nWELCOME TO 4CHAN! GOOD MORNING SIR!"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>he thinks of rome the same way he thinks of a photograph of his (totally not a whore) girlfriend from high school\n>he believes late era ERE is too far beyond from what early era ERE was\n>probably believes early era Roman Republic was a carbon copy of late era Roman Republic\nyou’re mad they didn’t speak latin in ellada? lol"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nHRE is less different from late WRE than byz is from 5th century ERE."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>disparages people for talking about history on /his/ because he lost his argument"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>28\nYes. HRE is based on a forged document and a legal loophole, and is populated by the very people that struggled for centuries to bring Rome down. And it surprises me that the actual Roman empire is not roman enough for you guys, but a germanic empire, following germanic laws, under a germanic political organisation, centered around germanic kingdoms and speaking german, is totally roman. Big brain stuff"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>20\nAnd it's still China, and always had been. Was China under the mongols, under the manchu, under the communists, it's completely different from the Han chinese of old, but you don't see retards going about how theyre not chinese anymore because the Japanese claimed to be the true china"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nYou sound stupid."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThe HRE is not based on a forged document what kind of 12 year old “this sounds good enough” argument is that?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>what are the donations of constantine"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>what are the who gives a shit as they don’t serve at all as legitimizing factors in the argument for the HRE"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n...irrelevant?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nisnt that a blatant forgery?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>2\nthe Arabs called them Romans, there’s literally a chapter in the Quran named the Romans, only Eurofags and their retarded unholy copycat empire thinks it’s not Roman"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>imagining the amount of Latin being spoken during this coronation\n>realizing the byzantine/WOMAN/ emperor probably doesn’t speak a word of Latin and has never even been to rome.\nWhy are we still arguing?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>europe doesn’t have a say in what is or is not the Roman Empire, only the easterlings who referred to Spain as “land of the vandals” let’s listen to them."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the capital isn't Rome that means it isn't Roman"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShip of Theseus"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>no one said that\n>not even containing rome however is a pretty big deal.\n>you’re not as clever as you think you are you literal fat stupid nigger."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>43\nOn the contrary. God's representative on Earth, the Pope, felt he had no legitimacy at all to crown a western emperor, so he forged a document to pretend Constantine gave the papacy such authority. Not only that, he abused a loophole (Irene being a woman) to crown Charlemagne, on the grounds that the actual roman throne was vacant.\nSo yeah, even the fucking pope that crowned Charlemagne knew he was full of shit himself, and did the deed for political gains, as a way to distance himself from Constantinople and the iconoclast emperors.\nSo there you go. The fucking Ottomans are more roman than the HRE."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>ottomans are roman\nWell now that we’ve revealed you for what you are, I think we’ve sufficiently legitimized the HRE here. See ya later mahmoud"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nLearn to read, dumbass. I said the Ottomans are more roman than this fraud that is the HRE. But keep grasping at straws"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nThe muslim ottomans are more roman than the Latin Christian empire with roman in the name? that’s pretty unhinged, Shlomo."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nBoth raided the Roman frontiers for 500 years, both were the direct cause of the fall of the empire, and both claimed to be the successor of the empire. But only one of them adopted byzantine customs and intermarried with byzantine royalty, while the other falsified documents. Which one is more roman?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>both raided the frontiers\nAssume you mean germanics and perso-turk muslims\n>Stilicho\n>Arbogast\n>many other Germanics made up the bulk of the armies defending rome, these Germanics held high offices, had a hand in selecting emperors, etc.\n>but yes the ottoman Turks because they raped some of the woman gentry are the tr00 successors."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>7\nThe borders were overextended, especially the eastern ones in Armenia and Georgia, the new Balkan provinces were badly integrated and there were multiple institutional weaknesses that were masked by the glory of the Macedonian Dynasty\n\nAnd then the empire was hit by the perfect shitstorm of rapid change of emperors with no legitimacy -resulting in both constant rebellions and desperate attempts to buy prestige and authority by every new government-, bankruptcy, the decay of the armed forces, by popular uprisings in the Balkans and Italy and by near-simultanously invasions by the Normans, the Pechenegs, the Seljuks and Turkomen tribesmen."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>But only one of them adopted byzantine customs and intermarried with byzantine royalty\nPax Nicephori, a peace treaty in 803 between the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne and Nikephoros I, Basileus of the Eastern Roman Empire.\nRecognition of Charlemagne as Emperor (Basileus) in 812 by Emperor Michael I Rangabe of the Byzantine Empire (crowned on 2 October 811 by the Patriarch of Constantinople), after he reopened negotiations with the Franks. While acknowledging Charlemagne strictly as “Emperor”, Michael only referred to himself as “Emperor of the Romans”. In exchange for that recognition, Venice was returned to the Byzantine Empire.\nOn April 972 14, Otto I married his son and heir Otto II to the Byzantine Princess Theophanu. Through their wedding contract, Otto was recognized as Emperor in the West, a title Theopanu was to assume together with her husband through the Consortium imperii after his death."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nnot to forget that the Franks were descended from the feoderati which was a landed title in Roman Empire. And the \"Byzantines\" the Ottoman sultan married were treated as concubines and not as consortium imperii.\nTherefore, both Ottomans and HRE are illegitimate but HRE is more legitimate"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nLet me help you.\nWestern and Eastern Rome have an actual split. Byz is ERE, and HRE is WRE; WRE is the state that is ultimately the real Roman Empire; ergo…"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose maps of 1025 are always a little suss. Much of those areas in the Balkans were client states, not really fully part of the empire. Same with Armenia."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\nThe Ottomans aren't the letigimate successors, but the tiny shard of legitimacy they have is more than what the HRE has, which is none."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nAccording to your own argument the ERE is as roman as HRE. Problem is, the HRE has no relation at all with the WRE; it's a construct, a fiction built by the pope to distance himself from Constantinople and towards charlemagne. Only the eastern emperors had the legitimacy to reestablish the WRE, as in 476 Odoacer sent the western imperial regalia back to Constantinople, thus the split was formally extinguished."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>33\nUp until the 1100s bizantium did have latin speakers inside it. Then sicily happened snd everything whent to hell."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>59\nFirst time in this whole thread that someone actually posted a legit argument in favor of the HRE legitimacy - that is, the marriage of Otto II with the byzantine princess."}, {"id": 67, "content": "made germoids seethe 2000 years ago\nmade germoids seethe 1000 years ago\ncontinues to make germoids seethe today\nrent free"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>63\nAnd what is that tiny shard compared to ruling over Rome, getting achnowledged by the Pope and the Eastern Roman Empire? It`s nothing."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>ruling over rome\nIrrelevant. Rome was basically a ghost town by the middle ages and lost its prestige. The ottomans also ruled over constantinople and that doesn't make them byzantine successors.\n>acknowledged by the pope\nAs stated, under a forged document and abusing a loophole.\n>acknowledged by the eastern roman empire\nSo you indeed consider the Byzantine Empire as the Roman empire, and their recognization matters? Nice"}, {"id": 70, "content": "Doesn't matter, they still got buckbroken by the real descendants of Rome."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>muh ghost town\nIt was not a ghost town. Rome remained one of the most populous cities in /Europe/. Even the eastern mixlings with fun jewelry on their head would agree that romes a pretty big deal. seethe."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nThe city of Rome had a population of about 30,000 by the year 800, which is low even by western european standards. Considering that it used to have a million, and all those houses became empty ruins, it's safe to assume it became more or less a ghost town. Constantinople became too by the year 1400."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nI'm going to do this alright? I'm going to lay out an argument as politely as possible since it does appear that those in favor of Byz are getting upset. I do suspect that this is because of an anti-western sentiment more than a strong feeling about the historicity of your statements.\n\n>Ethnicity\nPretty complex issue, but I can grant that a Greek imperial dynasty would be seen as far more legitimate by the Romans of the early empire than a Germanic one; but this sentiment would have probably largely disappeared while the Roman Empire was still whole by the end of the 4th century, as Germanic speakers would have filled so many military offices and positions and ranks in general on both sides of the Adriatic, and as we all know; Imperial Rome is a military dictatorship through and through largely irrespective of the period.\n\n>Formal Imperial title and legitimacy\nWho cares? Who gave legitimacy? I mentioned this but the answer is simply the military. I will not give an exhaustive list but here are some Emperors who ascended through military coup and had no other legitimacy other than strongman:\nVespasian 70AD\nMaximinus Thrax 235AD (A tribal dacian non-roman, who was proclaimed emperor by \"auxiliary\" german legions, first emperor not a part of the gentry classes, senatorial or equite)\nGlycerius 473AD proclaimed Emperor by a man named \"Gundobad\" you know who that is? That's a king of the first kingdom of Burgundy (worms) woah nuts huh?\nAnyway there are many others but I just pointed out some interesting ones. Legitimacy was a concept devalued long before Goths even crossed the Danube.\n\n>But the Byz styled themselves as the Romans and Middle Eastern polities also called them that!\nYeah they were the power in the region even as late as 650! You call them what they tell you to! I imagine the Arabs of Mohammed's era were not terribly familiar with the politics of interior Europe at the time and weren't being very discerning with their use of the name \"Rome\". (1/2)"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>69\n>Rome is irrelevant!\nOf course it's not. It may not have always been or even very often been the seat of power during the Empire, but you really undersell the importance of that city, not just symbolically, it remained the seat of power of the most important political and religious entity in the region. It requires a very special kind of simplification to make claims like \"unbroken line\" with regard to Byz and ignore the continuity of power in Latium, post 5th century.\n\n>The Pope is a fabricator, a fraud, a scoundrel!\nok lol. He also pacified to a large extent a great many violent tribe and whether or not you're a Catholic and by and large atheists are particularly antagonistic to anything Catholic; he was extremely powerful and provided the legitimacy to secular kings in western Europe for centuries."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis sentiment is a cope concocted purely because they were BTFO by Muslims for almost 1000 years."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nThats the biggest problem I have with byzfags, I know and so do they that if some alternate history went down and Rome was somehow controlled by Byz for long enough to matter, that would be where they'd focus the majority of their argument, and yet the shoe is on the other foot and now somehow the fucking city of fucking Rome is irrelevant to the discussion of Rome.\nCaptcha related\n>VAGIN4"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nByzantium was a CHRISTIAN empire....the first of its kind. They were Christians first."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nbut there were endless arguments the vast majority of which do not even mention muslim invasions. how does it feel to be historically illiterate clinging to a notion taught to you by an elementary school teacher and never shed even well into this advanced age?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>72\n>The city of Rome had a population of about 30,000 by the year 800,\nFind a single town in Europe with above 2-5k population in 800 in Europe. Let alone above 10k.\n\nMaybe Cordoba and Sevilla if you count Andalusia as european.\nUrban life was nearly non existant during the dark ages and its only in the 11th century that proper towns emerged and even then Rome was always a leading city, if only for being a pilgrim center and seat of the Reformed Papacy."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nNot many, but there were a few commercial hubs here and there. Just look it up. Rome was still quite small.\n>in Europe\nIn western Europe, ftfy"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\n>even well into this advanced age\nWhig history faggot. Thanks for giving me a reason to ignore all of your faggoty arguments."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nI meant your advanced age since you are an intellectually stunted 35+ year old."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>36\n>headcanon\nok!"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>37\nGOOD MORNING RETARD SIR!"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>5\nThe Fourth Crusade was an inside job Venetian Galleys can’t destroy Theodosian Walls"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck is that Hungary?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nThe Theodosian Walls were the land walls, brainlet-kun.\n\nThose were also attacked during the Fourth Crusade but like always held firm, it was the weak sea walls along the palace seaside that were stormed"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nWhere was the Greek fire when it was needed?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRetards arguing over which is the true Roman Empire as if there is no precedence for a western & eastern empire to exist concurrently."}, {"id": 90, "content": "They were Roman though. They were the Eastern Roman Empire, which everybody agrees was 100% legitimately the Roman Empire. Then the western Empire fell, and the East kept on existing. Everybody still referred to them as Romans for several centuries, until the Roman pope decided to crown Charlemagne and pretend that some German king was the new Roman emperor.\n\nNo idea how anybody can claim the HRE is somehow Roman while the Byzantines aren't. If the Byzantines didn't speak Latin, neither did the HRE. If the Byzantines weren't Roman Catholic, neither was the Roman Empire of old. If the traditions and laws of Byzantium changed over time, Rome itself changed its traditions and laws over the years. Nothing changes the fact that the Byzantines have a direct continuity with the Eastern Roman Empire, while the HRE is just two different German LARPs"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>74\n>Ethnicity\nTo be fair, considering the extension of the Roman Empire and the fact that many ethnicities were Roman citizens, imo this is the smallest issue. However, hre fags like to spew muh greek muh language when talking about the byzantines but conveniently ignore that the HRE was germanic in everything but name. You can see that there was no ethnic requirements for emperors, generals or high ranking officers, although there was a certain degree of prejudice and suspicion.\n\n>Formal legitimacy\nThis is the heart of the issue. uring the byzantine era the condition to take the throne became \"control the capital\" whereas during the classical Roman era it was to be proclaimed Imperator after a victory. But all those generals were Roman generals: by your logic anyone with an army could proclaim to be a roman emperor. Sure the succession rules were murky and there were plenty of civil wars, but there were a few common denominators. Fact is, the Pope had no legitimacy to proclaim an emperor, and that's all.\n\n>Byz styled themselves as romans\nI cant understand how you can state that with a straight face while defending the HRE's claim to be a roman empire.\n\n>Rome\nAfter the fall of the west Rome lost its importance, and that's a fact. The pope masterfully increased its political relevancy across the ages, especially by declaring itself to be the head of the church, and that began oficially with Charlemagne's coronation. I give you that the iconiclasts caused this though\n\n>Pope is a fabricator\nwell you conveniently dismiss the core arguments against the very legitimacy of the HRE as irrelevant while elevating nonsense as critical for the discussion. The ruins of Rome, while symbolical, were ruins - and if a group of bandits took control of the city they wouldn't become the new Rome. The pope had no authority to do it, and his supposed powers came from a forged document and legal loophole. End of story. The rest is cope"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nYou’ve ignored about 50% of my points. It isn’t “murky” and the legitimacy had nothing to do with “controlling the capitol” since the capitol was wherever the emperor held court, you’re confused. There is no such thing as legitimacy in the purple at the point in history where this debate would be relevant, people are way too used to arguing feudal style legitimacy, what are the codified succession laws? It’s such a bizarre thing; there fucking aren’t any, this is what makes historical trends and the city of rome so important in this argument; Rome fell in 476, not heroically in 1453. History sucks sometimes huh? Find me a Roman Emperor in antiquity who ever was depicted like pic related, wtf even is that crude bullshit? Eastern pretender empire. Why don’t we name Soissons as the successor? Or any of the other advent dark age pretenders? Why is it only the eastern pretender? Is it size?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>74\nFunnily enough, you could argue the roman empire essentially doomed the Roman elite of Italy with its short-lived reconquest. Or at least siphoned them off hard enough that by the 9th to tenth century they are few and very far in between."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>90\n>Byz is 100% legitimately the Roman empire no different from the Roman Emperor of Octavian\n>here's your roman emperor bro"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\n>and here's yours, my lord."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>>Byz is 100% legitimately the Roman empire no different from the Roman Emperor of Octavian\nI didn't say that, but in any case if your standard for being a legitimate Roman is being identical to Octavian then the Roman Empire ended with Augustus, which is retarded. The Empire was ruled at different times by men who were not Italian in origin. Constantine the Great, an indisputably Roman emperor, was half-Greek, half-Illyrian born in Moesia, and moved the capital of the empire to Constantinople. By your own reckoning Constantine is disqualified from being counted as a Roman Emperor."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>It isn’t “murky” and the legitimacy had nothing to do with “controlling the capitol” since the capitol was wherever the emperor held court\nBy that I meant there weren't clear succession rules for Roman emperors, and that's a fact - it was quite messy. As for controlling the capital, I meant that any pretender during the Byzantine period had to take Constantinople if he wanted a shot at the crown.\n> It’s such a bizarre thing; there fucking aren’t any\nAgreed, so we must identify \"what\" makes one a Roman emperor, what is the legitimacy criteria\n>Crude bullshit\nThe pic sucks but it isn't an argument. Art really deteriorated following the third century crisis, and the Iconoclasm, 4th crusade and Muslim turks contributed to destroy the little that was left.\n>Soissons as the successor\nBut who said it wasn't? Soissons was a legitimate Roman state, with a clear institutional line linking to Rome. My point is, there's no metric that can grant the HRE a good claim. The one an anon made about a Byzantine princess is good but too flimsy imo"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>91\n>whereas during the classical Roman era it was to be proclaimed Imperator after a victory.\nThat was not how emperors were chosen. The proclaimation of imperator was how a general was given a triumph, that is, a triumphal progress through the city of Rome. The title 'imperator' is the root of the word emperor, but that isn't how emperors were chosen."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>91\n>After the fall of the west Rome lost its importance, and that's a fact\nRome lost its importance well before the fall of the west. It was largely abandoned decades prior, its population declining to a fraction of what it had been at its peak. The capital of the Western Empire for its final few decades was Ravenna."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>4\n>destroys Italy forever\n>ruins the relationship between Constantinople and the Western kingdoms beyond repair\n>drains Constantinople of resources for generations\nheh, nothing personel."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\nEspecially during the third century crisis, a victorious general could be acclaimed \"imperator\" by his troops. That usually meant rebellion against the ruling emperor. That's why so many generals rebelled during that period, and that only stopped after Diocletian's Dominate\n\n>>99\nAgreed, Rome lost much of its importance: it was bad locted from a logistical point of view, much of the administration was sent to Constantinople and other capitals, and after the sacks (especially the Vandal's) its aura began to deteriorate. However it remained the spiritual core of the empire until its fall"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\n>bbbbut hre had germans in it and didn’t marry enough greek princesses it can’t be roman!"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>91\n>the HRE was germanic in everything but name\nSpoke Latin, Have served the Pope, Church of the realm."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>90\nt. Dilated"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>101\n>rome isn’t important to the /Roman/ empire at all because sometimes the emperor lived in a different city!"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>97\n>Soissons was a legitimate Roman state\nsee pic related>>95"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>91\n>there were germans holding high positions in the hre that is disqualifying! never mind varangian norsemen and anglo-saxons they don’t count!!!!!!"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>102\n>>105\n>>107\n>t. retard"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>103\nThe Pope is not the roman empire, and even if the language was relevant it was only spoken at administrative level for larping purposes. The actual people spoke german."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nlmao i've never seen anyone get so handled by some greentext."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">lose 75% of Empire income\n>lose key land that provided troops\n>have several civil wars/usurpations\n>Arabs surrounding Constantinople for over a year\nI am baffled it survived from this."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nif they wouldnt have been so stubborn and hostile with regard to the bishop of rome and germanic incursives we might still have a Rome today."}, {"id": 113, "content": "This discourse always devolves into dumb shit like ethnicity or \"well it's well established that the byzantines are simply romans!\" which is just a massive copout because you're ill-equipped to consider other points of view. Charlemagne is literally a descendant of a Senatorial class Praetorian Prefect of Gaul in 4th century AD (muh fabricated medieval genealogy, no royal or imperial genealogy is sacrosanct, at ALL, but the likelihood or possibility that this descent is true is just as likely as any and is attested by a contemporary source), the notion that the Franks were simply LARPing as Romans is ridiculous; what do you think compelled them to magically ditch their 'muh proud germanic' identity. Nothing, it didn't exist, they were a Romanized polity of largely Germanic speakers but this did not mean by any stretch that their elites could never have been citizens of Rome or even ethnically and culturally to a high degree Roman, and would have likely been through their Roman parentage, part of the landed class, I mean this has been happening for centuries by this point; Reading Tacitus is kinda crucial to understanding the nature of this relationship despite it covering a much earlier period. the Frankish HRE is considered by VERY few intelligent historians to be more superficial in its claim to \"Roman authority\" than the Byzantines, the term Byzantine exists for a reason. Voltaire was not a historian, nor a particularly good source for objective views on medieval Catholic hegemony. Seriously this is some extremely video game armchair historian discourse, \"Germanic this, Greek that.\" which haplogroup has the best claim to the throne guys? 4chan has some real fucking idiots."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nyou make many points and I agree there are a few decent links but it ignores that the Emperor was chosen by God which in turn was an agreement of all bishops. of course one could bully the others to agree to one individual but the See of Rome doing his own thing is not correct. Yes he had some weight for the argument but its not a black and white situation."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nI am not really into arguing from a liturgical perspective, but if that's where we wanna go: The bishop of Rome has made some very compelling arguments over the centuries for his supremacy over other Bishops."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy the fuck do these threads keep being made?\n>Brainrot teenager makes shitpost/bait about the ERE not being Roman\n>Someone gives half assed effort post debunking them\n>Immediate whataboutism spawns for the HRE and arguments for their legitimacy\n>muh ethnicity, ERE was all ethnic Greeks so cant be Roman\n>The HRE was le Roman though cause they originated from Romanized Germans (ignore this only being the elites)\n>Suddenly ethnicity doesn't matter\n>Neither does the fact that a majority (almost all) of the population of the HRE did not call themselves Roman nor were they born in the state controlled by the Roman government. Most of them wouldn't even have referred to their homeland as Rome."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nI like how you took the HRE argument and his whole demeanor and just flipped it in favor of ERE, why are all byztards so fucking dumb lmao."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\n>the most populous parts of the HRE are you guessed it; the south.\n>alps are quite roman historically not really a shocker right?\n>which parts were not historically Roman? The north half of the German speaking part? Just because byz period is characterized by territorial losses rather than gains doesn’t make it more Roman\n>it’s rare for the crux of the argument against Byz to rely on the greek ethnicity but the reverse is true for those in favor of ERE (germans! Not tr00 rome)\n>”legitimacy” is a watered down concept that only ERE historical illiterates care about because after romulus is deposed there is no Roman Empire, deal with it and move on. I don’t care what usefulcharts told you, the Roman Empire didn’t “keep trudging along”, it’s not recognizable anymore.\n>Imagine if France in Europe ceased to be but the government in French Guiana had continuity; is this now the successor to France? Go to college."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>116\nYou tried so hard to just take all the accusations that would be relevant against your argument and levy them against the opposition. That is some cowardly shit my boy."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>116\nIt’s funny you said “HRE isn’t Roman because only the elites would have been romanized” and then immediately turned around and said proponents of HRE lean heavily on ethnicity for their argument. ???? Schizo posting?"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>92\n>>94\nbyzies aren't romans because... because their art sucks!! it's not the same as a thousand years ago, not real Romans! Checkmate byzaboos."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe byzantines are roman for various reasons, but almost none of them are necessary to prove its legitimacy as the Roman empire. The empire was split into a Western Roman Empire and an Eastern Roman Empire. Both legitimate halves. Historically, the eastern half, not the west, would be ruled by the senior emperor. The western half, a legitimate half of the Roman empire, fell in 476/480/486. The eastern half, also a legitimate half of the Roman empire, did not fall at that time, and continued on for 800/1000 more years. Its territory shrunk, but it remained Roman, just as the republic remained Roman despite expanding. Its culture changed, as all cultures do. The culture of the Romans in 400 is far different from what it was in 100, so of course it is even more different in 1000. The legitimate eastern half of the empire continued an unbroken chain of emperors from Arcadius. You can argue that the empire fell in 1204, that's fine. The senate also existed until around then."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nUnbroken chain. What does that mean? Tell me what relationship Heraclius has to Valens. Please."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\nYeah they’re culturally distinct their art and architecture is unrecognizable, their language is different. Just stop dismissing valid arguments with no answer, you’ll find your position is far less secure than you think."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>123\nIt’s because they said so, bro. It honestly appears from this thread that your legitimacy ultimately is sourced by a sort of proclamation by the modern internet-goers history teacher. Interesting, fascinating even."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>9\n>HRE is definitely more Roman than Byzantium.\ngenuinely dont even know what this means. What era of \"Roman\" is it considered to be more of?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>100\n>ruins the relationship between Constantinople and the Western kingdoms beyond repair\nmaybe the retard usurper King shouldve not killed Amalsuintha who was under protection by Justinian (probably his excuse to take back the land but the Goths are half to blame)"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>57\n>Germanics were given high positions in the Empire\nyes all 12 of them. How many high positions were given to non Germans? such as anyone from Thrace/Anatolia etc"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nDoesn’t matter? And it’s far more than “12” through the later centuries of antiquity what kind of childlike understanding of that period do you have?"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\n>it doesnt matter because....these German ones are more important somehow"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is the Roman state whether you like it or not"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nIt doesn’t matter which brand of non-italian non-Byzantine held what position in deconstructing the argument that HRE is somehow non-Roman by virtue of the fact that it’s German. Are you being stupid intentionally?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\n>the argument that HRE is somehow non-Roman\nI have never argued that. Im saying if HRE is Roman then certainly Byzantium is."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>2\nArabs called them Rum = Rome. Latin merchants referred to their territory as Romania."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nI’m fine with that. Perfectly reasonable sentiment."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\n>they called them “Rum” therefor they are tr00 rome\nWhich one was rome now then?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>4\n>Cheers!"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>96\nactually constantine wasnt greek, his mother was hellenized, from the area of bithynia, probably anatolian/armenian mix"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nWhat was his haplogroup, byzfag?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\n> Constantine wasn't Greek\n>his mother was Hellenized\n\nguess what Hellenized people are, champ?"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\nPeople who are definitively not Greek by ethnicity but Greek in culture? Ethnicity doesn’t exist now?"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\nNations are about culture anon, not blood. Plus I doubt Greeks and Anatolians were that ethnically different"}, {"id": 143, "content": "HRE was gay."}, {"id": 144, "content": "Megalithic civilization > Crete/Ancient Greece > Roman Empire > HRE > Europe\n\nSumerians/Egyptians > Hatti/Hittites > Persians > Byzantines > Ottomans/Ummah\n\nwhy is it so difficult to understand?"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\n>Roman Empire\ndoes include the Emperor Constantine?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>139\nHow am I supposed to know that?\nwhy did you call me byzfag, I dislike romans and their ilk"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>142\nwrong on both accounts"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\nAre you also gonna claim that Ionian Greeks are not Greeks because a lot of them were Anatolians or mixed with Anatolians?"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\n>armenians are the same as ionians\nother profound insights into ancient people anon?"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>142\n>actually ethnicity doesn’t exist guys, trust me, we are all equal, why preserve something that doesn’t exist?"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>149\nMy point was that culture is what matters. Also, Anatolia was Hellenized because of Greek migration, so most Hellenized Anatolians had at least some Greek blood."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>143\n*Ottoman was gayer"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\nIdk how people here still don’t understand this:\nMigration into an established population does not result in a genetic change in the established population.\nOnly when there’s a depopulating event + migration does anything occur, and it is entirely contingent on the severity of the depopulating event how much the genetics are altered. So once again a Hellenized Thracian commoner is a Thracian who wears a chiton in theory."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>127\n>shouldve not killed Amalsuintha\n>real life trojan crisis\nImagine civilization fought & dying over a female…"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nTrojan war really happened though"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>145\nno."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>144\n>protect evropa FOR CENTURIES against asia and pisslam\n>for the sake of it, don’t even expect some “thank you, pal l, you got my back”\n>get called asian instead\nok"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nIt isn’t as if the literal granddad to the man who would be first crowned Holy Roman Emperor defeated invading Muslims heroically against staggering odds and resulted in what many believe to be the stunting of the seemingly inevitable Islamication of Europe."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>102\nthis argument is always so funny to me especially since Rome already had Germanic blood on the throne as did Byzantium long before Charlemagne\n\nTheodosius 2nd Mom was Frankish and Tiberius III was a Goth"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nNot confirmed for tiberius III"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>156\nWhere does the Roman Empire stop in that situation?"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>159\n>Tiberius was part of an army sent by Byzantine Emperor Leontius to retake the city of Carthage in the Exarchate of Africa, which had been captured by the Arab Umayyads.\n>Gothic War legacies\nInteresting."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>12\n/thread"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>113\n>>159\nDaily truths reminder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Soissons_(486)"}, {"id": 165, "content": "Ok HRE, Ottoman and Byzantium are now Rome. Who was best Emperor?"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>164\nFriend and fellow scholar, you quoted me and in my quote I attached a picture that illustrates that Charlemagne was a descendant of the Syagrii; a family that lived quite comfortably and was viewed as being quite an eminent and important family within the Frankish state. As one might expect being a patrician living in the Empire you know?"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're egyptian-light."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>unknown\nwhy is a picture of the first crusade of Jerusalem included on the right? HREtards claiming the outremer was part of the empire now? kek"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nCatholic “Frankish” europe is easily conceptualized by byzweebs when presented using the term HRE, but the fractal nature of Feudal (once again Frankish) Europe is written of through a modern lens with flags and borders and doesn’t very well illustrate how similar that system was to late Roman administration. If these sovereign outremer states are not part of the Frankish sphere because of their distal administration and sovereignty why then does the /kingdom of soissons/ so often get a pass. The reality of late antiquity germanic or not was decentralization to varying degrees, a trend that began a while before Odoacer showed up to cuck the boy emperor."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>169\n>If these sovereign outremer states are not part of the Frankish sphere\nbut is frankish sphere and HRE the same thing? Id say no."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>168\nI’ll put this to you; the language spoken in France is romance for a reason; if you know anything about anthropology if a sudden and alien cultural incursion occurs the first thing that goes is the language but you’ll find that in all but Britain and North Africa the Latin side of the empire remained romance speakers. You’ll also find that while true the WRE essentially disappeared for a while, there would be a person who lived inside of the WRE as a citizen, maybe in Aquitaine, then under visigoths, then under Franks or burgundy 1, and he would have likely lived through this without issue, and been speaking his Vulgar Latin, and so his entire family. Generally speaking we paint the “Germanic” invaders as having been conquerors but if anyone is obsessed with legitimacy and succession rights, it’s them, it’s a pretty seriously held concept. Like a good analogue of this is William the Conqueror; his name should be William the Succesful Claimant. All of these dark age Germanic states are MOSTLY just the domains of recent descendants of late antiquity Roman military officials who were sometimes literally regulars (not auxiliary) deployed against imperial usurpers. Like my argument is not that Byzantium is not Rome, but that Catholic Europe and in particular, “Frankish” Europe is /just as much/ a successor to the WRE."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>170\nThey’re not synonyms no, one is a part of the other, but the HRE by itself would be the secular core of that sphere for a very long time."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>2\nArabs called them romans. Turks called them romans. They called themselves romans. Armenians called them romans. Even westerners called them romans.\n\nWe call you jewish."}, {"id": 174, "content": "Bασιλεία Ῥωμαίων\nIC XC ΝΙΚΑ"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>173\nWesterners did not refer to them as Romans. Just a bunch of inbred muslims; meme idea incoming."}, {"id": 176, "content": "Really now?\nAnd when exactly did they stop being roman?"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>124\nThe eastern half of the empire always spoke Greek. Also, architecture and art in the empire had changed immensely by the 400s from earlier in the empire, and the changes in Byzantine culture are a natural evolution from that, not a foreign replacement. Do you seriously think that a culture changing over time makes it no longer the continuation of its previous self?"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>123\n...They were leaders of the same state that didn't stop existing? Like, what do you think I mean by unbroken chain? That they were literally dynastically related? Rome's leaders were never like that for very long.\n\nTell me what relationship Valens had to Lucius Junius Brutus? He was basically a king, the very thing ancient Roman culture despised. He was a Christian, disregarding the traditional Roman religion. He ruled from the eastern half of the empire, not the city of Rome. He was born outside of Italy to an Illyrian, not even a true ethnic Roman. Is Valens not a Roman emperor? If he is, what makes him so?"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>51\n>it literally contained rome"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>178\nYou are a simpleton."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\nNice argument retard, sorry you lost"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">muh wops"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically would be the best country in the history of the world, but I'd settle with the Komnenian borders any day\n\n>>94\nI do rate Nikephoros I a lot... his policy about repopulating Greece might be one of the reasons there's still a Roman sucessor state in the balkans\n\n>>111\ndon't (you) me but I find this Romania to be extremely kino and can't never get enough of Constans II"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>28\nWhat a stupid thing to say. ERE is allowed to change and still remain Rome because it has a continuous line to Augustus. HRE is allowed to change and remain the HRE but that doesn't make it Rome."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>184\n>HRE is allowed to change and remain the HRE but that doesn't make it Rome.\nWrong, it politically fallow WRE old government"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\nDespite the fact that the government of the WRE fell three centuries prior?"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>181\nNo it’s pointless responding to a person who can’t see the problem with just asserting “they were leaders of the same state! They weren’t “dynastically related” more than Charlemagne and Commodus. You can’t just assert things because it’s how you’ve always felt. It’s really funny how I’ve made so many points that are literally consistently ignored because legitimately byzfags are always the historically illiterate. Like legitimately I’m compelled to go XD LMFAOO YOURE FUCKING STUPIDDDDDD and not do a back and forth because you’ll just ignore anything said because “THATS JUST HOW IT IS!”, there isn’t more of a relationship between Heraclius and Arcadius than there is between Charlemagne and Honorius. The difference you perceive is in the fact that Rome got taken at one point before the time we’re talking about and Constantinople didn’t really; but then in the same breath will say Rome wasn’t even important, so which is it. HRE and the Frankish Catholic sphere is the successor to the WRE, and if you’re unable to accept that you’re a historical illiterate, who I can easily see doesn’t know how to drop prescriptive thinking. lmao like legitimately I don’t understand how people can be compelled to post on a history board with such a limited understanding of the subjects."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>184\nIt doesnt have a \"Continuous line to Augustus\". Is what you mean that if you click predecessor on wikipedia on paialogos and get to augustus? solid scholarship and research right there. Go to college and I don't mean that as an insult, you've obviously not gone because you think like a child. \"da map youtube video i watched says the borders were here then here then here.\" \"i wonder what the flag of dacia is haha\" \"that's not what crusader kings 2 says so it cant be tree\" fellate a pistol, you're stupid."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>186\n???? Did Charlemagne get a state out of thin air on Christmas day AD 800? Santa give it to him?"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>175\nKeep coping"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>190\nhe wasnt coping.\"The Libri Carolini published in the 790s made the first mention of the term \"Empire of the Greeks\" (Latin: Imperium Graecorum) and Imperator Graecorum (Emperor of the Greeks)\"\n\nI'll say this again: if tomorrow France in Europe fell; but French Guiana remained continuous in its administration, it wouldn't (or shouldn't) later be known as \"just france, get over it, that's france guys\", and then later if France in Europe is reestablished but the guy in charge happened to be Sarkozy's kid, we wouldn't then go \"that's a hungarian jewish state not france\""}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>176\nWhen they became antagonistic toward the city of Rome or more strictly when Rome stopped being important to them."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>191\nThat comparison doesn't make sense. if France was split up like the Roman Empire was but the north collapses, the southern portion would still be considered France."}, {"id": 194, "content": "Neither the Byzantines or the Holy Roman Empire are successors of Rome, Spain was.\n>literal descendants of romans right down to culture and genetics\n>spain was the first state to completely dominate europe since the romans\n>latin speaking empire that spread its culture to new territories via conquest and helped create the modern world today\nGreek homos and German barbarians are pale imitations to the true Roman Spaniard"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>189\nThat describes his accession to the throne of Emperor pretty well actually"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>192\nso around late 8th century?"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>63\n>The Ottomans aren't the letigimate successors\nIf you believe that the byzantine empire was legitimate then you should also believe that the ottomans are romans too"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>73\n>anti-western sentiment\nByzantines were western retard"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>193\nI'm not him but the comparison does actually make sense. Guiana is administered exactly the same as any other \"Region\" of France. If France in Europe did have some sort of existential crisis and ceased to be for a generation or so, but Guiana's government remained in place, you would say it had continuity, and by the logic being used here would be France. But of course it would not be. Do you know why you so often hear Belisarius referred to as \"the last roman\"? Because he captured Rome and clearly he and Justinian viewed that city as crucial to the identity. As soon as that fell out of priority you really begin to see how little Byzantium resembles Rome in any way. Why did the term Byzantine rise into favor among 19th century academics? Surely we refer to Sassanids and Achaemenids both as Persians and yet there is a clear break in continuity between. Seleucids and Parthians are not typically identified as the Persian Empire. Funny little fact, late Sasanian king Khosrow would refer to the Byzantines who had allied with a Turkic Khaganate against them as the \"turkanyinna\" (transliterated) which meant literally Turks and Greeks."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>195\nNo it doesn't there are literally centuries of expansion and continuity before this, and my contention is that the state even before that day was the best approximation of what WRE was destined to become, 5th century crisis or not."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>197\ntoo simplistic a claim. there were many changes from Constantine XI to Mehmet II. If Orhan and Theodora had a child and Mehmet II descended from that then yes. If an earlier Emperor converted the Empire to islam then yes. etc"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>198\n>he thinks Byzantium is in western europe\nDecidedly, I think, illiterate byzfags can be ignored."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>201\n>blah blah blah arbitrary vague reasoning\n>its actually very complicated\n>unbroken line, lineage is key, despite there never being a strict bloodline requirement at any point in the empire\n>Tr00 romans speak greek not GERMAN REEEEEEEEE"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>202\n>you have to be geographically apart of western europe to be western\nAnd here I thought HREtards couldn't get any dumber."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>196\nYes. That's typically where people draw the line bro, Belisarius and Justinian are REPEATEDLY referred to as \"the last romans\" by those who wouldn't accept papal authority as the successor."}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>203\ntalk normal or dont bother if you want to be a child about it."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>204\nWhen the debate is relegated to ONLY the theatre of Europe, the term western refers to the western part of that theatre; not the USA. Did you think \"western\" meant the USA/EU and its allies in a discussion about the Byzantines and HRE?"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>205\nJustinian II literally prostrates before the pope. I think this is in 690s. thats a good 130+ years after Justinian"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>206\nYou're right, I'm sorry; but anyone who has disagreed with me since I've started posting in this thread has mainly used as their primary counterpoint the word \"retard\""}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>208\n\"Justinian II ordered Pope Sergius I arrested, but the militias of Rome and Ravenna rebelled and took the Pope's side.[6]\"\nAre the byzfags so thus cornered that they resort to lies?"}, {"id": 211, "content": "Ultimately I disagree that the HRE strictly speaking is in fact a Roman successor state, but the way proponents of the ERE have argued in this thread is embarrassing and the HRE guys have made me consider some things."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>207\n>the theatre of Europe\nSo geography again. \"Western\" in most contexts is cultural so the Byzantines are very much western. Otherwise this statement\n>>anti-western sentiment\nMakes no sense."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>200\nNo there isn't, not with the Roman Empire"}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>199\n>but Guiana's government remained in place, you would say it had continuity, and by the logic being used here would be France. But of course it would not be.\nYou're comparing a colony, 500 years or so in age on a disconnected continent to large swathes of roman territory/spheres that were there pre empire.\nSurely we refer to Sassanids and >Achaemenids both as Persians and yet there\nJesus I thought the other comparison was pants on head retarded but this is something incredibly special"}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>211\nI get that with the ERE its a sort of Ship of Theseus situation but the fact of the matter is that any state that lasts 1000+ years is going to inevitably change. America today is very different from the America of the 18th century so is the modern country truly American? I consider the ERE Roman not in the ancient sense but as an evolution of Roman culture and identity."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>201\n>If Orhan and Theodora had a child and Mehmet II descended from that then yes\nMehmet the second usurped the throne but it wouldn't have been the first time in roman history, why is it that only in this case you think the only way to be legitimate is through inheritance?\n>If an earlier Emperor converted the Empire to islam then yes. etc\nThe empire shifted both state language and religion once already (latin to greek and paganism to christianity), why is it that you think it couldn't have happened again?\n\nTruth is, if you consider the byzantines to be the true romans, then the ottomans inherited that legitimacy as both spiritual and political institutions aknowledged mehmet II's claim, and so did the wider byzantine society."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">this continuation of the eastern roman empire isn't roman\n>but this \"empire\" of germans larping as romans in their mud huts is\nBoth aren't Roman btw, Ottomans were the true heirs and Rome died with them"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>210\nI’m not telling lies when I say Justinian II literally prostrates to the pope. Read a book"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>214\n500 years is a long time... and not a far cry from the 600 year age the roman territories in Greece were? It's not pants on head. France had more territory in the region at one point as well, you know much like the late byzantines once had more territory. Btw \"Disconnected\"? that really doesn't matter at all, the logistical techology of the period we're in now would make that disparity irrelevant."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>218\n>read a book\nOr how about you show me lol. You're less clever than you think you are and that \"read a book\" shit to disparage a person for ignorance of an alleged minor fact about history is a pretty big indicator of seethe lmao.."}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>216\nDamn lol checkmated him."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>220\n>The Empire That Would Not Die\nJohn Haldon"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>222\nShow me, you stupid nigger, a source that claims that Justinian TWO, prostrates before the pope. You have the entire internet before you to accomplish this."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>187\nt. ESL unable to read\n\"Like, what do you think I mean by unbroken chain? That they were literally dynastically related? Rome's leaders were never like that for very long.\" is not a statement implying I believe that their leaders were dynastically related, but in fact the opposite, which would be clear if you could actually read. The previous statement (they were leaders of the same state) is what I meant by unbroken chain, and the following (that they were dynastically related) is what I could assume you believed I meant.\n\n\"it’s pointless responding to a person who can’t see the problem with just asserting “they were leaders of the same state!\" they.. literally were leaders of the same state? I genuinely don't get what you're getting at here. You can argue that the HRE and the Frankish Catholic sphere is the successor to the WRE, I'm not arguing that the ERE is the successor to the WRE, because it's not, it's the ERE. It's the eastern half of the Roman empire. Rome is absolutely important, the anons that argue it's not are wrong. It was still the capital of the western half for a good chunk of late WRE history, and was quite populous until the conquest by Justinian.\n\nYou're arguing that the HRE is the successor to the WRE. I'm not arguing over that. I don't give a single shit about the WRE, who is or isn't the successor of the WRE has 0 bearing on the fact that the ERE was the eastern half of the empire, and continued existing unbroken until 1204. It's not a successor state (unless you also consider the WRE one) of Rome, it's just the continued existence of it. If the WRE never fell, and Charlemagne came to power as the Western Roman Emperor, he would be entirely as legitimate legally speaking as the Greek speakers in the East."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>223\n>the internet\nWikipedia nonce"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>224\nPerfectly reasonable sentiments all around; why do you present arguments like a cocksucker to strangers on the internet? It's stupid facebook argument behavior."}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>216\nThe Emperor is picked by God according to the byzantines. Did the monks at mt Argos recognise him? Maybe when Gennadios became Patriach. There’s too many issues with it and Mehmet II is definitely a strong case to say it continued. Just not enough in my opinion"}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>225\nI checked wiki you \"nonceridoo bugger diddlybum\", couldn't find it, that's why I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt to show me instead of telling me to read a book that's $40 for the kindle version on amazon."}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs for when you can divide \"Eastern Roman Empire\" from \"Byzantine\" It's gotta be the Arab Conquests. It was a rapid and near total replacement of damn near everything. Religion, Ethnicity, Territory, Population, Culture, How the government worked, How the military worked, How the people saw themselves, etc. and was also apparent enough in its own time that we start seeing that other states start claiming they are Roman successor states and getting away with it. The switch from Republic to Principate pales in comparison. The only real way you could say it wasn't the end of Rome is if you say the Principate and Dominate are different states/empires. Which in my opinion is a legitimate argument to make, but then that just changes to statement to \"The Roman Dominate fell during the Arab Conquests\".\nBefore the Arabs you had a polity of which huge chunks, maybe even half, were monophysites. And that tension will inform almost every action the State makes if your basis of legitimacy is being the one true empire of the one true religion. Ethnically it turned an Empire that was multinational into something that was essentially Anatolian. Culturally and governmentally it did indeed mean massive changes. The loss of the other big urban centers like Antioch and Alexandria made Constantinople part of a Unipolar system. Even during the height of the Principate, Rome (the city) could not have dreamed of being so central. And them not being strong enough to do anything about guys like the HRE is part of my point. I'd say an Empire that loses any real ability to maintain exclusive claim to being the sole legitimate successor state isn't the same state. The very fact the Charlemagne could make that claim in a chunk of imperial territory just as large as what was left of the east and get a critical mass of people to say \"Yeah sure you're the Emperor\" is itself damning."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>227\n>mt Argos\nLmao my predictive text. Mount athos"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>228\nI’ll come back to you later in the day. Promise. I’ll have dig out the book"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>227\n>There’s too many issues with it\nSpecify them"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>231\nemail me at whayleejay@gmail.com"}, {"id": 234, "content": "I feel as if, after the white-gold concordat any Imperial authority in the region is largely lost principally and any \"Successor state\" would have to be antagonistic toward such a doctrine in my view."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>155\nBullshit. Show me the horse. You gotta back your claims up anon. Troy was a german psyop to gain legitimacy for HRE through roman/troy and germanic/turkish synergy"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you think that the Eastern Roman Empire between 6th and 15th centruries was not Roman, then you should think that the Western Roman Empire of 4th and 5th centuries was not Roman as well. Both had:\n>factionalism that spilled over into open conflict\n>civil wars\n>treason\n>incompetent emperors\n>degeneracy\n>Christianity as the dominant religion\n>barbarian foedorati"}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>236\nThis. 6th century Byzantines mog the 2nd-4th century Roman Empire so hard... There was very little of the original Rome left by the time of the Dominate, trade had broken down, bandits and barbarians looted the countryside, much of the population had become coloni (serfs in all but name), coups happened constantly, local noblemen had sealed themselves off in fortified states (a prelude to feudalism) and were refusing to pay taxes, the army was mostly foederati, people were leaving the cities because trade had broken down, foreign religions were prevalent, it was centuries after centuries of disaster.\n\nHowever in the East, there was a large revival following the collapse of the West... the army was adapted to more modern tactics, cataphracts were adopted, their politics were (a bit) more stable, trade was booming, the law system was codified, philosophy and arts boomed, the Huns and other barbarians were repelled, court life was lavish, the population was united under a single religion (Christianity), Persians were kept at bay, and at one point Justinian almost single-handedly revived the Empire...."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>49\nCorrect. Rome died during Crisis of the 3rd century."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>237\n>>236\nI actually split Byzantium between the Islamic invasions and the anarchy that happened afterwards.\n\nIt's pretty clear early on Byzantium just carried on and it is also pretty clear it was conciouslly refounded around Greater Hellas after they stabilized.\n>>1 (OP)\nOP's pic is during an interesting period though, probably the height of them being taken seriously after the age of Charlemagne"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>236\n>picking and choosing the criteria by which one must resolve the argument\n>>238\n>just making shit up.\n4chan died when people like you started posting here."}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>88\nRecipe was lost by then."}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>240\n>>picking and choosing the criteria by which one must resolve the argument\nThe OP didn't provide any criteria for \"Romanness\" himself THOUGH. What else was I supposed to do?"}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>242\nOP is an idiot too. I’m the only one with salian (XD fun joke) points in favor of HRE."}, {"id": 244, "content": "I'm the only true roman left"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>11\nSo when the capital moved from rome to milan, the roman empire ended?"}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>245\nNope that’s not what I said. You are super desperate for an argument, are you American?"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAgreed the Roman part of the \"Eastern Roman Empire\" ended with Justinian or at beast, Justin II, if you want to be technical.\n\n>Maurice changes the administrative language to Greek\n>court language to Greek\n>\"ERE\" emperors operate more like oriental and classical Greek despots and tyrants, senate is even more vestigial and less relevant"}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot my problem."}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>49\n>Ravenna isn't in Italy\n>Mediolanium isn't in Italy"}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>3\n>B-but all the non important shitholes thought dey waz roman so that means they are!!"}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>247\nThe day they had an empress it was over. Like what kind of shitty inclusive sequel are we admitting into the canon here lmao."}, {"id": 252, "content": "the HRE (and then Prussia) is Rome reincarnate, and its only rightful descendant and heir. All the rest is middle eastern cope and larp."}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>166\nQuite frankly something to read."}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>182\n\nGood thing the last Byzantine Emperor died in battle, like a true Roman; wouldn't have wanted him to him to have ended up like that one \"Great\" Ottoman Sultan that spent his last few months alive licking the feet and ass of the last of the Timurids clean every day."}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope breh"}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>246\n>you just dismantled my arvument with one simple question! Are you muhmurimutt???\nBTFO"}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet me guess, you’re the same type of FAGGOT that thinks Vichy was not the real France, too."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We BTFO /his/"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">when it sees red tomatoes it can ascertain that they are indeed red, but cannot consciously experience their redness\nwhat does that even mean?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">thought experiment that doesn't exist BTFOs /his/\nHow?\n\n>>2\nYou are low IQ."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nImagine a video game where the NPC tells you a tomato is red.\nThe NPC does not experience anything like you or I, but it can still say it’s red. You only know it’s unconscious because it’s a game. Now extend idea that to the world."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=z-z5lVJXjzU [Embed]\nhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=VLzmYjviDsk [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he believes in qualia"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\nsemantical bullshit like most \"philosophy\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThe NPC is preprogrammed to recognize the fact that something is red, say a set of hex codes associated with the item. Humans are very similar, if your \"code\" is messed up you literally cannot see the color red. So what exactly is consciously experiencing red in this case?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>bro I totally don't exist. you think you're a real person not an NPC? what do you think earth is flat too?\nnaturalism can't die out soon enough"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt does not matter anyway.\nIt seems like pointless semantics."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYou haven't read Dennett."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nHPPD, DPDR"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>10\nt.Bots"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n\n\nNOTIONAL CONSENSVS."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "whatever"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI don’t get it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nyou have to be the weakest stupidest bitch to begin with to let nihilism ruin your life"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1\nbased mortal apathetic to the machinations of thirsting entities of the immaterium, their arrogance is so great our chalant rejection of their \"gifts\" makes us an anathema, it is why the angels came to hate us and rebel against god himself"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nAnd yet, here we are. Satan eternally BTFO’d"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nyes, many like it but none like mine. It holds value to me and that's all I care about"}, {"id": 7, "content": "wisepost"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhat happened to him?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThe UN (Babylon) catched up to him and snatched him. His current location is unknown."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "American identity is predominantly based on protestantism, enlightenmentand and liberalism. What's actually the point of being american patriot as a catholic?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "There is no point. Roman Catholicism is incompatible with America and every Romanist ought to be deported."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Catholics control the presidency and the court."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSo problem is in the american identity not catholicism. Liberal US is biggest kikes ally and protestant (((conservatives))) doesn't often see anything bad in it unlike chad catholic Kingdom of Spain which didn't even allow Jews to live in it's territory."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPapism is Satanism and all Papists need to be exterminated"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nIn modern times religion is so unimportant to most of people in politics so this doesn't matter too much."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nJudeo-Masonic hands typed this post."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n(((free))) masons are also Satanists"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>protestantism\n>enlightenmentand and liberalism\npick one"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nSo what is true and not satanic? Protestantism and justifying everything what you want with Bible?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nDefinitely no. Maybe they are some contradictions but generally protestant theology is much more vulnerable to liberalism. Everyone who knows history of XIX century Europe would agree with that."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nSHALOM"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US is pretty much lost, a barren wasteland. Even the Holy Spirit is scared of that place"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nwow you just committed the one sin that is literally unforgivable! enjoy hell!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nYeah after they all went to establishment protestant schools"}, {"id": 16, "content": "any devout cath that isnt roman rite is a boomer"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's actually the point of being american patriot as a catholic?\nbecause its the objectively correct thing to do.\nFuck the bible and the catechisms, give me the constitution and supreme court opinions."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no point. Embrace catholic anarchism and become my comrade\n\nt. lefty Jewish American communist"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholics are latecomers and like all latecomers they subvert the majority to gain an advantage. Look at any left-wing bullshit that fucked over the United States you'll see a jew-cucklick alliance behind it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\n>the presidency\nBiden should be excommunicated for sanctioning the murder of unborn children.\n>the court\nWith the possible exception of Thomas, they all reject a natural law reading of the Constitution and subscribe to a Calhounian notion of moral relativism vis-a-vis state policy which any good Catholic should unequivocally reject."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If marxism is a scientific theory then it should be able to prove itself . Where are the case studies of historical materialism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Where are the case studies of historical materialism?\nThe history of all hitherto existing society"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAn apple falling on Newton gave him inspiration for his theory on gravity but only his writings contain the proof."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he chose comic sans as the font for communism\nAnyway nice oversimplified pseudo-hegelianism"}, {"id": 5, "content": "We need to go back to kingdoms."}, {"id": 6, "content": "According to that chart, every previous class revolution has resulted another class conflict, but not THE revolution won't. Trust me bro!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">everybody's chill\n>pick the least chill spongebob character shouting into a megaphone"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's historical determinism thought up by dudes who didn't know what the fuck they were talking about and the fact that people still fall for it is baffling."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nTheoretically, it's because all of the previous revolutions were led by the middle class while the communist revolution will be led by the working class itself."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>dat pic\nI can still recall the sweat-stained efforts of ideologues trying to make feudalism and slaving societies before that so very distinct from \"capitalism\". it was clear even then (1980s, eastern europe) that the distinctions are forced and that owning slaves or land is a form of capitalism, and all the differences they harped about did not matter in any of the arguments they used. it was necessary for Marx to claim there were multiple deep changes in the past like the expected switchover to communism, so that it does not look like he proposes something unprecedented, a switchover from what everybody was doing to something nobody does (and the hypothesized and totally unfounded claim of primitive communism is part of this phenomenon as well)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Nixon betray the American Public and create commietrak to burden Americans with a retarded system for eternity? The exact same law that made it also subsidized all the failing railroads, creating a marxist monopoly for shit that cars, trucks, and planes can do 10 times better"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the issue is actually that Americans are incredibly retarded and don’t know how to work between provinces."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>provinces\nFucking kek"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThats what your states are desu."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not the system that's retarded, it's the Americans that are too retarded to make the system work."}, {"id": 6, "content": "It was a bailout for private railroads who wanted to abandon all their money losing passenger trains, but it was a halfass measure where the railroads still owned the tracks and Amtrak funding was nickle and dime, subject to political whims. Some railroads like the Southern had too much corporate pride, didn’t want federal control of their trains and kept them running at a loss. Scamtrak has limped along for half a century and they should either go all in with funding, let it die or let private interests like Florida’s Brightline run trains on profitable lines."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know go learn Mexican"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThey're not. Each state is sovereign has has its own laws that can supersede federal law."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat's cute"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSo just like many provinces? Lol. Your states are just adminsitrative entities set up artificially to govern a given area. Many of their borders are literal squares even.\n\nThey're unlike states in say Germany, where they're based on (and sometimes, were) historic principalities and fiefdoms, or in India, where they are entire national sub-groups with a different language, culture, and even race."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Each state is sovereign\nlol. lmao even. You're not a confederacy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>that can supersede federal law\nNo they can't. Commiefornia's laws against \"assault rifles\" and Louisiana's laws against viewing online porn without ID are both unconstitutional and thus null and void."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the amtrak Spurg is back from his ban"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nTrain spergs are a sign of a healthy board desu"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHe's annoying because if you make any thread about railroads, regardless of if they're amtrak or even in the United States he'll derail it immediately about how only le gommies care about trains and they need to be outlawed"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nin fact California's gun laws are not unconstitutional as the 2nd Amendment was meant to prohibit the Federal government from restricting possession of firearms, it never forbade states to restrict them."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nthe constitution is just a social construct and not some dogma people must follow blindly"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNixon got bullied by congress. Also Amtrak anon is right, passenger rail is a meme."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I know that during the Suez Canal Crisis, the United States was upset that Britain, France, and Israel had hatched a complicated scheme to take the canal without consulting Washington. But why was that actually worth threatening to crash the British economy and kick them out of NATO over? From the American perspective, isn't it better for Britain and France to still retain some control around the world, especially in key areas like the Suez Canal?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause if the soviet union got involved, they it would cause another world war to happen since NATO would have to participate"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a valid question. Eisenhower publicly admitted Suez was probably his administration's greatest foreign policy failure and Washington was keen to ease fears in Whitehall and reassure them of the alliance.\n\nThe central reason the US intervened was because of a very idealistic world view that people like Nasser could eventually be American allies. The sudden explosion of post-colonial states in the 1950s meant the US and USSR were jostling to win support of anti-colonial leaders. Nasser was a particularly important figure in this regard, he was the spiritual leader of Pan-Arabism and Arab anti-colonialism, and the belief was that he'd be a valuable US ally and could potentially be the swinging force of the Entire MENA region to the US' side in the Cold War. This is largely the reason why the US had a cool, distant relationship with Israel until the mid-80's.\n\nTo the Americans, it seemed a pretty obvious choice. Let the British and French turn the entire Middle East against the Western world, or damage Anglo-French egos and make the US appear a staunch defender of Post-Colonial states' rights.\n\nAt the time, they didn't have the benefit of hindsight in knowing these states would be failed dictatorships by the early 70s, and thought a lot of states like Egypt would be on a level similar to Europe in a few decades.\n\nThe gamble failed, and France turned inwards to Europe. Thankfully, West Germany acted as a balancing force in the European community to keep the link to Washington and stop them becoming a third power bloc. The Anglo-American relationship was damaged, and a large number of Labour and Conservative MPs looked to turn inwards to Europe. The fact so many British Conservative MPs however still wanted Britain to be a global power, and felt the American link was key to that, meant De Gaulle blocked entry, and for the next 20 years the UK awkwardly balanced between Europe and America.\n\nUltimately everyone lost."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The colonial powers were more of a nuisance to USA than a benefit. The USSR profiled itself as a world liberator because it sided with newly established Arab nationalism and with anti-colonial movements spreading across the world. All of these new nations would inherently align themselves with the USSR upon independence. If America supported the xolonial powers struggle for world domination, it would solidify USSR support world wide. USA wanted to build up a new power block of independent nations that would align with the USA instead of trying to preserve the old ways for the benefit of European powers. Nothing could stop de-colonialism once it was set in full motion.\n\nThe USA was already the most powerful force on the planet, they didn't need to subject themselves or cater to autistic European powers sperging nostalgic power trips that would only antagonize the world against USA. They wanted friends across the globe, not enemies."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n\nBased effortposter"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\ngood post"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Besides Zoroastrianism what are some examples of non-Abrahamic monotheistic religions?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "atenism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtenism, the og.\nZoroastrianism is not monotheistic btw, it's dualistic. Angra Mainyu wasn't created by Ahura Mazda."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nZoroastrianism is fucking weird and swamped by outdated western takes influenced by christian researchers. Who the fuck even knows what ye olde zoros believed in the first place."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nXenophanes (pre-socratic philosopher)\n>God is one, supreme among gods and men, and not like mortals in body or in mind"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMuh greek monotheism can't really be called religious in the proper sense."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nReally interesting lads. I wonder how international this really was. https://www.asor.org/anetoday/2015/12/very-long-distant-trade-egyptian-mesopotamia-and-denmark-in-the-late-bronze-age/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nBecause it’s too rational?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Jorge shultzheimerbergstein a good general or did he take orders from french boys?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://therightstuff.biz/2020/07/04/ftn-focus-american-coup-detat/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>sovcit schizo podcast\nI'm entertained that it exists, but I'm not voluntarily listening to that retardation."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Washington\n>A good general\nNo lol\nHaha lmao\nNo\nNot even close"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I mean if you count losing almost every engagement with anglos and relying on french people as good then... Yeah?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShultzheimerbergstein was a great general he led the mutt army to victory against the elves"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Beat Washington in almost every engagement\n>Still lose to him anyway\nSays worse about the Bongs than the mutts, desu."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNot really I mean they could have totally slaughtered them and turned it into a full world war like any other euro country would have done at the time but historically they just didn't really enjoy killing people for no reason"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey that's Beto shultzheimerbergstein, who the fuck is Jorge"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThat's some \"America didn't lose Vietnam!\" level copium limey-boy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nName an instance of the Brits murdering people for no reason? The native Americans were only wiped out after they retreated."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was his endgame?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Mohammed didn't exist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nyeah but don't tell everyone that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nLike the atheists??"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Being a dirty pedophile and getting away with it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWorld domination.\nHe failed, of course."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>He failed, of course.\nAre you sure about that?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo make everyone belief in His god, by force If necessary. He was also incrediblely narcisstic"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNo offence but none of that looks like much of anything worth having"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>World domination\n>World\nCan't read huh? Typical mudslime."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngod,law and polygamy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\n......is that supposed to count as \"world domination?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nOH NO NO NO NO NO NO"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Why are Christcucks always the one to start fights with Mudslimes and then turn around feigning innocence? It seems like a very Jewish trait to me."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThey’re both Abrahamic, which is to say Jewish, so the whole thing seems moot to me anyway. Funny how divide and conquer never stops being a viable strategy: humans clearly aren’t terribly clever"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt seems better to just attack their poor philosophical foundations than to turn everything into a \"clash of civilizations\".\nBut yes, I agree that Abrahamism is philosophically weak (as a whole)."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nAll that blue in Europe will turn green by the end of your lifetime :)"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Fulfilling God's will although it's clear that he was simply deluded"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir*"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nTh-thats not the world Anon..."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">What was his endgame?\nEndless incest"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>he was simply deluded\nSource?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFucking a 9 year old"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nQuran"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How the FUCK did they conquer all that land so fast?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAllah was on their side."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStrong belief lead to high militarization, it's arguable that there wasn't a whole lot going on in that part of the world, in terms of empire building at least, so it was a perfect storm with just the right conditions for conquest, with very little in the way of resistance. Sparsely populated and mostly tribal lead to easy converts and easy land grabs"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nI guess to add on this, the Byzantines and Sassanids had been brutalizing each other for decades, so by the time the Arabs rose up, it didn't take much effort."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts very feasible when the Romans and Sassanid Persians mauled each other in endless Persian Wars and your people literally fought on both sides and know how they fight."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nFPBP."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Romans and Persians bled each other white over 30 years\n>Persians in a massive civil war\n>Nobody had experience fighting Arabs on a large scale\n>Nobody believed they could mass large, organized armies and wage campaigns of conquest\n>Experienced in traversing desert to outmaneuver enemy and appear where unexpected\n>Excellent generalship\n>Religious zeal for morale edge\nThey got dealt a good hand, and played it to their utmost advantage. I don't think anyone in that part of the world realized what was going on in Arabia until it was far too late."}, {"id": 8, "content": "I'm thinking their biggest boon was a high degree of veterancy among the ranks from a combination of tribal warfare and collaboration with Roman/Persian forces whenever they were in the area and needed some bodies to shore up the forces."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">b-b-b-but they were MUSLIM so they cant be rome!!!\n\nOk, so the Christian Roman Empire and the Byzantines can't be Rome either because they didn't follow Roman religion. You'll have to come up with a better argument than that."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid they control Rome?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid they use Roman Law to govern the nation?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Why do anglos call them ottomans and not osmans anyway?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThey controlled Constantinople, yes."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSo not Rome, got it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nSo no, am I hearing that right?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\n>You don't have to control Rome to be the spiritual heir of what Rome signifies, the leader of the West.\nWell if that's the case then there are other candidates for being considered the successors of the Roman Empire, with much more legitimate claims:\n>Spanish Empire\n>Portuguese Empire\n>British Empire\n>French Empire\n>Russian Empire\n>German Empire\n\nThey all have much valid reasons for being considered the Third Rome."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>>8\nForgot\n>American Empire"}, {"id": 10, "content": "This isn't China, you can't claim you're the same pricks you conquered"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nSo the Byzantine Empire wasn't Rome for most of its history then? Come up with a better argument."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\n>the Ottomans can't be because they were not WESTERN.\nGreeks weren't western either, so Byzantium can't be Rome then?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nWell, the American Empire is the current one, sad as it may be."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>So the Byzantine Empire wasn't Rome for most of its history then?\nCorrect, they were the BYZANTINE Empire, a different entity altogether, anyone who goes on with that gay shit about \"muh Eastern Roman Empire\" is a wanker."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia claims they were the third Rome, after the fall of Constantinople and being the last great bastion of Eastern Orthodoxy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>Greeks weren't western either\nGreece IS western though, it's in Europe."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nNo one cares about the Gayreek empire"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nThe inception of the Western tradition is traced back precisely to Greece, then to Rome. Then Rome conquered Greece anyway. Greece was Western until roaches conquered it.\nByzantium was \"Rome\" following the fall of the Western Empire, but not until it's fall in 1453, it clearly lost that power much earlier."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThe Ottoman Empire was also in Europe."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>they were the BYZANTINE Empire, a different entity altogether\nlol"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have a theory. Maybe the ottomans didn’t care much about the Roman legitimacy, I mean sure there was mehmet and his obsession but most guys from then on just tried to expand his territory. And yes they did get the title of Kayser but to them it was just another fancy title in the many the Sultans had. Also didn’t they call themselves Osmanili ?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBalkan women getting ROACHED"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Aztec Day has finally arrived. Today we give thanks to all those brave Aztecs who died to keep America American free. Lest We Forget!\n>inb4 it was Spanish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn’t we gradually shift into open borders after WWI? It seemed like the obvious move."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's actually fairly easy to cross European borders pre-1945 beyond the Soviet union. The issue is that people didn't seek to leave their historic homelands. It was who governed the land that was the issue, not who lived there."}, {"id": 3, "content": "They were. Europe had been in a process of liberalization since the wave of revolutions in 1848 and international cooperation became a sophisticated ambition especially after the Napoleonic wars. The process was slow and clunky, but it was there. After ww1 Britain and especially USA tried to speed up a new order of international community but the rise of fascism and communism slowed the process again.\nI remember reading somewhere that even Hiler had envisioned a broader European cooperation and interwebbed community, especially with France, to pool resources and enable greater trade, obviously from a German position of power, but the idea was there nonetheless."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The answer my friend is Poland"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Open borders were the de facto rule for states not at war until fairly recently. America didn't have any immigration restrictions (outside of the Chinese Exclusion Act) until the 1920s."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>One race the human race\nFuck off with this french enlightenment shit\nBorders exist for a reason"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me everything about Roman Spain"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was overrun by kikes. They spurred the locals to revolt against Rome time and time again, ultimately provoking genocidal reprisals."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>[...] Roman Spain [SIC]\n\n\nANACHRONICAL MISNOMER; YOU MEAN «HISPANIA»."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only way Romans got Viriatus killed was by scam and treason, they never won against him in the battlefield."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGladiators didn't look like Australians"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "RIP the Muslim communities of South-Eastern Europe, cruelly and unjustly genocided from 1699-1922."}, {"id": 2, "content": "This is a bait thread everyone."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Facts that I'm uncomfortable with are bait\n???"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI'm perfectly comfortable with this. the shame is that there remain any muslim \"communities\" in europe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nit's a bait thread because of the emotionally loaded OP text."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCruelly sure but unjustly ? How did those fuckers get here in the first place"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When you reap what you sow"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased reconquista"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlay stupid games win stupid prizes"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Worth it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShouldn't have enslaved and killed christians first"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Most of them were converted wh*tes larping as Turks so it's a good thang."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe they shouldn't have betrayed their brothers by collaborating with the Turkish invaders?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nThey converted?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly 23000!?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only one that didn't deserve it were the circassians, every other muslim communities in Eastern Europe deserved far worse"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow did the Albanians get away with it?\nE1b1a great man theory or something?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAny reports of lynchings? Post them every day like Tulsafag does"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts amazing what little bitches christcucks are to bitch and moan constantly about the Ottomans and later Turkey BTFOing their asses"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you have Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan lumped with Circassians on the map?\n\nThere should be another text box for Chechens who migrated to Ottoman Jordan and Syria and the smaller amount of Dagestanis and Ingush who came to the same places."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>unjustly genocided\nI dont get it"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nThe communities who converted( Bosnians and albos) are still alive. The Turk colonizers and the few individual traitors who converted to enrich themselves got what they rightfully deserved"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSmall numbers over a period of over 200 years? Europe was wayyyy to lenient it sounds like. Cool bait."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\n100% this. \"Communities\" that refuse to integrate into civilized cultures get to be treated the way they treat everyone else. 1000 years of jihad, conquest, and subhuman behavior are the evidence anyone needs."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>>17\n>>14\nWhy exactly is it bad for Europeans to betray their Christian brothers and convert to Islam, but it wasn't bad for Europeans 2000 years ago to betray their Pagan brothers and convert to Christianity?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThat was bad too, but because there are no (real) European pagans left, it doesn't matter anymore. If there were still a pagan community in Europe that had stayed pagan for the past 1500 years, they'd probably hate European Christians and see them as traitors."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nIf they only converted to Islam I wouldn't really care, but they also cooperated with the invaders to the detriment of their brothers, and they were therefore traitors."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>140k from Croatia\nMade up numbers, compare them to most other numbers from other regions that should have had more like Serbia, Bosnia, Greece"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1.5 million times 2 Circassians died and fled\nlmao"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey got what they fucking deserved. The moment the Ottomans showed up as your neighbor, they became a constant threat with constant raids being conducted by the local Pashas taking hordes of wealth and slaves back into their hellish domain."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nAs the other anon said, converts are active ennemies of our civilisation and traitors"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nSo Christian converts were also enemies of European civilisation?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>20\nTurkey and the Ottomans got their shit pushed in by Europeans repeatedly right up until today when the Ottomans don't exist and Turkey is an irrelevant backwater lol wtf kind of copium is your monkey ass even on?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>8\nbased and survival of the fittest pill"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nHow so?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nThey were enemies of the European civilization that existed at that time, insofar as they persecuted European pagans and suppressed European culture. They're not enemies of the current European civilization, just like how European Muslims probably wouldn't be enemies of a hypothetical all-Muslim Europe."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">don't drive out Turks\n>they proceed to divide your nation for over half a century\nEveryone else had it figured out."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>They're not enemies of the current European civilization, just like how European Muslims probably wouldn't be enemies of a hypothetical all-Muslim Europe.\nSo European converts to Islam are not \"betraying\" Europe, they are simply seeking to build a new Europe in which Islam is the common religion."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>26\n>pagan brothers\nlol"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nA new Europe that looks like arabia yes.\nNo one particularly wants that so that's why all of them got deported into izmir or murdered."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>7\n>>12\nLike pro-Japanese collaborator during WW2"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nsve dzamije u oblake lete"}, {"id": 44, "content": "Still around in Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia, and Thrace. Plus a substantial minority in Bulgaria."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRest in piss to the over half a million muslim children we obliterated."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>26\nWhataboutism.\nThe eternal friend of the extremist apologist."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>34\nSecond largest and strongest army in NATO, seething eurocell. In the entire EU only the French army would be able to face us"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">unjustly\nWhat is a righteous and just genocide?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the atrocities of the Russian troops and Armenian volunteers\nThe sheer audacity of this map is a thing of beauty."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you're saying there's a cure?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>7\nI know Balkan propaganda is pretty strong but you guys do know it was just non muslim slavs killing muslim ones? There wasn't some massive turkish colonial population lol."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>41\n>No one particularly wants that\nAnon ...\n>The number of Muslims in Europe has grown from 29.6 million in 1990 to 44.1 million in 2010. Europe's Muslim population is projected to exceed 58 million by 2030. Muslims today account for about 6% of Europe's total population, up from 4.1% in 1990. By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8% of Europe's population."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>unknown\nThis stuff isn't even good bait. Guy isn't even following his own internal logic in his posts.\n>TURKS RAPED ARABIA , proof? An arab general dying in modern day russia\nlike uh ok."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did it fail?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEgypt and Syria had competing internal and external goals while Egypt, with the much larger population, military and wealth, was seen as being indifferent and uncaring to the needs of Syrians during the union. Thus it ended."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Palestinians ruin everything they touch."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecame an egyptian empire. metropole-colony dynamics."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they expanded"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRace."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Bullying was popularized in school systems, but the broader definition of bullying entails behaviour traceable to the genesis of life. Is bullying inevitable? https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ768971.pdf"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirst recorded bullting i know is from Gilgamesh when he bullied Ishtar into making her trying everything to kill him"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis is like watching MC bullying an idiot girl character in an anime, lol\nAho-girl vibes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Waaaa, Gilgamesh bullied me pa!\n>Can you pls shut up.\n>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!\n>Ok, i send a HEAVEN BVLL to kill this guy"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDamn, I wish I was that type of hot fit teen dude who bullied others by mere existing, just like those in the pic."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Bullying is perfectly natural\n\nIt enforces social norms for everyone I.E. bathing, etiquette, culture, race, religion, not walking around going “rawr” and wearing animal tails with cartoon T-shirts, etc.\n\nFor boys, bullying helps develop a pecking order and teaches wimps to assert themselves or be dominated by stronger men\n\nFor girls, bullying prevents any individual girl from stealing the majority of male attention or undermining the group\n\nWhen you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything\n\nWeirdos and freaks used to live in healthy fear, but now the internet has connected and validated them"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nyou sound like a bully"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>For girls, bullying prevents any individual girl from stealing the majority of male attention or undermining the group\nNever thought about this, \"self-esteem issues\" (a healthy lack of narcissism) in women was the thing that kept relationships going. Now literally every woman deserves a 10/10 gigachad with a 6 figure salary the world has gone to shit."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>now\n\nYou’re extremely naïve if you think hypergamy isn’t the result of ruthless evolution across the ages. In prehistory, mating with a wuss or beta meant DEATH."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can non-humans create art?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The face of poverty differs cross-culturally. The poor of one place look different from another. What conditions create climates conducive to poverty? Can these conditions be eliminated?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreed, capitalism, natural order cannot be eliminated"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDemons and Jews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "IDK if this is a European (European colonies like America included, obviously) thing or a general human thing, but why do we root for the underdog in fiction? Has this always been the case? Pic related."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLosers like to self-insert"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It is demonstrative of growth"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are hardly ever any winners, and rooting for the winner doesn’t impact their winning strategy. Rooting for a loser is a social investment."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe expected and predictable happening is not a great story. It lacks the satisfaction and joy of a hard won victory. Beating an opponent you were fully expected to beat is less exhilarating than beating an opponent that should have won because you’ve achieved something difficult and unlikely. It indicates something, special, unusual and strange has happened, and there is some interesting intrigue into how and why the underdog won. What piece of knowledge, or hidden strength, or development of skill allowed the underdog to win? What personal lacking did the big dig have that caused them to fail? How can we learn from this and be inspired?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>IDK if this is a European (European colonies like America included, obviously) thing\n\nIts a general thing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShort answer: Christianity.\n\nIn pre christian civilizations poverty and weakness where the stuff of mockery and shame. You know how today if you speak ill of the poor, faggots clutch their pearls?, well in the past it was the opposite, people clutched their pearls when you spoke ill of the powerful and the esteemed, hence why Jesus saying that the powerful should take care of the downtrodden created such a commotion.\n\nToday we take it for granted that we should root for the underdog, the little guy, but if had told the story of Goliath and David in ancient Sumeria, people would have assumed, before the end of the story, that it was about the mighty Goliath crushing the skull of the faggy little David."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">scholars still don't know what language family the Sumerian language was part of"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPtoto Dravidian probably"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Edenic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the time of Shakespeare, puns signified one’s wit. Why is that no longer the case?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause attraction and preceived value is purely cultural. Things come and go out of fashion.\nWe're no different from the beginning of civilisation in this regard."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShakespearean “puns” actually had a lot more depth than modern dad jokes which are commonly considered puns."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthis, most puns nowadays aren't even really puns"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown\nWhat does it mean to lift up a poor, emaciated lesser fellow? On that note, how many beggars have you raised out of poverty, op? Or do you simply demand pity for the \"poor, emaciated lesser fellows\"?\n\n>poverty\n\nyour ethos is betrayed by your choice in words\n\nyou think of being better financially, and somehow find a way of equating this with moral qualifications\n\nit is harder to improve someone's morality than it is to improve their financial well being\n\nyour moral character is more important than money, in fact it is qualitatively better\n\n\"The world necessitates inequality and hierarchies. There will always be the lowest rung. Why do people believe we are morally obligated to support the poor?\"\n\n>only strong people can fulfill their moral obligations\n\n>if you cannot find it in yourself even lift up a poor, emaciated lesser fellow then you cannot claim to be strong\n\n>it is not difficult for one who is strong, physically and morally speaking, to elevate another lesser than he\n\n>you lacadasically deride those who take pity upon the needy, not because you are better, but rather because you are incapable of it in the first place\n\n>that incapacity marks you out as needy, not superior\n\n>hope I cleared things up for you t. definitely a better person sns"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">hitler names goering as his successor\n>hitler announces his intention to commit suicide\n>goering asks hitler for permission to become the next leader\n>hitler fires goering and calls him a traitor\n\nwtf?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They were insane people"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeth heads aren't rational"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>>2\n\nhi moshe"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nShalom"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>”Nooo! You can’t just call a meth head a meth head!”"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>NOO they tried to save Europe you freakin kike!!!\n*Runs off crying with shart dripping down my legs*"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Le it's all crashing down around me faec"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nRide a roller-coaster"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFuck off faggots go get circumcised like German americanos"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">\"hey guys, ive been feeling down lately :( i think i'm going to end it all tonight\"\n>\"lol can i get your console?\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo that's why they lost"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI’m confused, is it better to take a dead person’s stuff without asking before hand?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGoring became a useless retard who decided to flee Berlin to enjoy his luxury art collection, so the fact that he was in a hurry to become the next Nazi ruler was insulting"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHe thought he could use it to get diplomatic immunity for himself and his family and \"negotiate\" the peace deal with the American authorities."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nYes. Though wanting a soon-to-be-dead person's stuff and not asking for it is still wrong, just no one will know about it. If someone dying has strong feelings about what you should and shouldn't get from their stuff then they will tell you. If they don't tell you, then they're probably more concerned about dying than you taking their stuff."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n\nHe was aware that his days were numbered. He went about in two different ways;\n1. Try to rapidly secure as much diplomatic leeway as possible\n2. Enjoy things in private life he had always enjoyed."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Monday, May 26, 1980\n\nNow senior boys will have to buy their own eggs\n\nLeaning out into the dark dormitory hallway at Britain's most celebrated public (i.e., private) school, an 18-year-old senior, dressed in the school's uniform of pinstripe trousers and morning coat, yells loudly: \"Boy, up!\" Before the echoes can die away, ten lowerclassmen, aged 12 and 13, scramble up the stairwell, tails flapping. Inevitably, one boy arrives last. His punishment: a trip to the store to buy an egg for the senior's tea.\n\nHaving small boys provide this kind of service to school seniors is a long tradition in British public schools. It has been a practice for three centuries at Eton, which counts among its old boys (i.e., alumni) 18 of Britain's Prime Ministers, including William Pitt the Elder and Anthony Eden, and a pride of literary lions, including Percy Bysshe Shelley and George Orwell. In their day, these illustrious personages, like all new boys, were on call to serve tea, run errands, and polish boots of top seniors. Eton was founded in 1440 by Henry VI, but fagging did not begin until the 17th century. The young servants are called fags, their service fagging, because in the 1660s \"to fag\" meant to toil.\n\nBut now, after a mere 200 years of controversy, during which fagging has been stoutly defended by most old boys and criticized by sensitive souls like Poet Shelley and others as \"brutal and degrading,\" Eton has decided to drop fagging. The practice will be banned as of July, when the current school term ends. The decision was taken by outgoing Headmaster Michael McCrum, 55, who explains: \"I am not in favor of self-indulgence of this sort.\"\n\nhttps://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,951513,00.html"}, {"id": 2, "content": "During his ten years as headmaster McCrum nudged ten of Eton's 25 independent houses into giving up fagging voluntarily. But the rest refused. Among pupils and old boys, fagging remains popular. Indeed, ex-fags point to benefits from fagging. \"You learn how to command by learning how to obey,\" says one Old Etonian. Beyond that, a good senior, or \"fag master,\" helps new boys find their way around the complex campus and sometimes becomes a lifelong friend. Recalls Sir John Hogg, 62, chairman of the Old Etonian Association: \"I had an extraordinarily good fellow as one of my fag masters. Our contact bridged an age gap in a very successful way.\" Then too, fagging at Eton created a great many social distinctions that are a British specialty. For example, \"tea fags\" have a softer berth than common fags. Higher still are the \"library fags,\" who serve seniors elected to the group known as \"the Library.\" Library fags are excused from general calls of \"Boy, up!\" and \"Boy, queue!\" (an after-dinner general work session). Top rung for newcomers is the title Keeper of the Fags, given to a young lad brawny enough to preserve discipline.\n\nReclining in an easy chair and sipping tea prepared by his fag, an Eton senior, 18, recalls: \"I didn't exactly enjoy being a fag myself, but thanks to some Library boys who threw their eggs in my direction when I didn't cook them properly, I know all about poached eggs.\" Still, the practice must go at Eton, as it has already elsewhere in Britain. Says Old Etonian Lord Redcliffe-Maud: \"It's a source of misunderstanding by outsiders, who regard fagging as a brutal form of slavery. It's nothing like that of course, but people think it is, and that's enough.\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>During his ten years as headmaster McCrum nudged ten of Eton's 25 independent houses into giving up fagging voluntarily.\nSchools having houses isn’t something made up by JK Rowling?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Political correctness gone mad! Nothing wrong with a bit of fagging."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are environmental pressures and other selection factors that influence and guide language evolution ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "why did chinks never come up with an easier script like hiragana/hangeul"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "One of the worst incidents of workplace violence in the last three decades erupted on December 14, 1993, when Nathan Dunlap, a disgruntled African-American former Chuck-E-Cheese's employee, erupted in a robbery rampage that left four dead.\n\nDunlap had been hired as a cook at the Aurora, Colorado restaurant the previous May, but was terminated about a week before the shooting after arguing with his supervisor about his working hours. He had not been happy about this and often talked of getting revenge. The day of the shooting, Dunlap was playing pickup basketball with some friends and talking about robbing the Chuck-E-Cheese's and killing the supervisor.\n\nAt 10:00 PM on the evening of Tuesday, December 14, manager Margaret Kohlbert, 50, was anxiously waiting for customers to leave so she could close up for the night. She went into the back room to count receipts for the day's business. The mostly teenage workers at the restaurant were busy cleaning. Nineteen year old Sylvia Crowell was cleaning the salad bar, 17 year old Ben Grant was vacuuming the floor in the eating area, 17 year old Colleen O'Connor was also helping him, and 20 year old Bob Stevens was washing dishes in the kitchen."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Around this time, Dunlap entered the restaurant, a .25 semi-automatic pistol concealed in his coat. He ordered a sandwich, then went to the video arcade and played a few rounds of Hogan's Alley before hiding in the bathroom for several minutes. Sylvia Crowell didn't have time to react as he approached from behind and fired a single shot into her head just behind her right ear. Dunlap quickly turned and fired into Ben Grant, plugging him just above the left eye. Colleen O'Connor saw him and begged for mercy. \"Don't shoot, I won't tell!\" she exclaimed. \"I have to,\" was the reply as he opened fire.\n\nBob Stevens was busy in the kitchen and didn't stop to pay attention to the three gunshots. As Dunlap entered, weapon in hand, Stevens looked dumbfounded and said to him \"Uh, hi\" before being shot in the lower jaw. Next he made his way to the back room, ordered Marge Kolhbert to open the store safe and give him the money inside. As she did so, Dunlap remarked \"Thank you\" before shooting her once in the head. He took $1,591 in cash, game tokens, receipts, and a few other items before shooting Marge one more time just to make sure she was dead.\n\nDunlap was apprehended quickly; the wounded Bob Stevens was able to get help and call police. After the shooting spree was over, he went to his girlfriend's apartment and had sex with her. They were interrupted by his pager going off; Dunlap's mother Carol informed him that police were looking for him. He made sure to clean himself up throroughly and scrub his hands with hydrogen peroxide to remove any gunshot residue, then went to his mother's place. Aurora PD officers were there; they questioned him and impounded his clothes as evidence. Twelve hours later, he was arrested for first degree murder and robbery."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Dunlap was tried in the winter of 1996, more than two years after the shootings, and after a change of venue to Colorado Springs, 60 miles away from Aurora, due to concerns that he could not get a fair trial there. The evidence of his guilt was overwhelming; Bob Stevens, the only survivor of the attack, testified that he was absolutely certain his former co-worker had done it. His jaw wound was mostly healed by now, only a small scar indicating where he'd been hit. Stevens described the sensation of being shot as like \"being burned with a cigarette butt, then being struck with a baseball bat.\" Jurors were presented with graphic photos of the dead laying on the floor of the Chuck-E-Cheese's and the prosecution painted a picture of a defendent so callous as to murder four people in cold blood over being fired from a fast food restaurant job and then go and have sex with his girlfriend immediately afterwards. Furthermore, Dunlap had confessed to fellow jail inmates and a couple friends of his who had criminal records agreed to testify against him for reduced sentences.\n\nThe families of the dead denounced Dunlap as a cold-hearted killer who had taken their loved ones from them. He did not blink or show visible emotion until Sylvia Crowell's brother spoke and insinuated that the murders must have been racially motivated since all the victims were white. At this point, Dunlap began crying and ranting uncontrollably. \"Kill me right now. I have had enough of this motherfucking shit. You can take me to the motherfucking little chair and do what the fuck you want,\" he sobbed.\n\nThere were no witnesses for the defense. Dunlap wanted to take the stand in his own defense but his public defenders talked him out of it. Carol Dunlap had been called upon to testify but pled the Fifth and declined to do so. He was found guilty on four counts of first degree murder February 26, 1996 and sentenced to death."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Overall, Nathan Dunlap's upbringing was one continuous train wreck leading up to the explosion that brisk December night in 1993. It began 19 years earlier when he was born in Waukegan, Illinois. His mother, Carol, was a diagnosed bipolar schizophrenic and went into an institution shortly after Nathan's birth when she tried to abandon him in a dumpster. He and his older sister Adinea spent time in foster care before Carol was released and reclaimed her children. They lived in Michigan for a bit and went to Colorado in 1984, when Nathan was 10 years old. Carol's violent mood swings continued; she would beat Nathan and his younger brother Garland, place random household objects outside on the lawn, walk around the house naked, take a dozen showers a day, and randomly break down and start ranting and raving. She also said she hated Adinea since she was born.\n\nThe only father figure in Nathan's life was also less than inspiring. He never knew his actual father and when he was 6 months old, Carol had married Jerry Dunlap, a hugely overweight Baptist minister who beat Nathan on a regular basis. When Nathan was in the 4th grade, he walked in on Jerry sexually assaulting his sister.\n\nAdinea moved out of the house when Nathan was 15, around the same time he started his criminal record by committing several robberies. He was also devastated to learn from a social worker that Jerry Dunlap, whom he'd always believed to be his biological father, wasn't. Placed in juvenile court, he was given the chance to change his ways but instead he sold drugs and hung out with a teenage gang who committed petty robberies for small amounts of cash. He accumulated no less than five separate arrests in 1993 alone."}, {"id": 5, "content": "After his conviction, Dunlap expressed his willingness to die but that he would be denied. Colorado was not a death penalty-loving state like Texas or Florida, and it would take exceptional circumstances to secure a sentence from a jury. Around the same time of his trial, another death sentence was handed down on Jon Morris for the rape and murder of a 5 year old girl and tossing her body in a dumpster.\n\nNone of them were executed in the end; Colorado ended capital punishment in 2020, commuting Nathan Dunlap's sentence to life in prison. He remains incarcerated in the state penitentary, now 48 years old."}, {"id": 6, "content": "lol imagine going Super Saiyan mode over being fired from a fucking Chuck E Cheese's job"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLmao fuck mutts"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">be playing b-ball with your homies\n>so I'm gonna commit multiple violent felonies and murder all of my co-workers next Tuesday\n>oh dat cool, brah\nhow does that work?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "they shouldn't have called him the N word. a preventable tragedy."}, {"id": 10, "content": "FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDDYYYYYYYYYY'S\nIS THIS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE\nI JUST DON'T GET ITTTTTTTTTTTT\nWHY DO YOU WANT TO STAY\nFIVE NIGHTS AT FREDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYS"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat an unfortunate tragedy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck was the logic here? Why couldn't he just get another shitty fast food job? Chuck-E-Cheese's has got to be one of the most disgusting places you can work, they did him a favor by firing him."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">confesses to his cell block niggaz\n>they immediately sell him out for reduced sentences\nLOL"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Yes we know. We've already had this thread before faggot."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">obama tier warmonger\n>gets shot\n>due to getting shot he is now remembered as a good guy"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI SAID are certain to miss the future!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany such cases!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe isn't remembered as \"le good guy\". Every boomer has their own headcanon about him because nobody can say for certain why he was killed. There are plenty of statesmen who croaked right before they made a defining name for themselves in the history books."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Thats not why he was shot"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Reagan was also shot but he survived by a miracle."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBody doubles anon, every president has one"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI want to see Trump's body double"}, {"id": 9, "content": "His presidency immediately followed Eisenhower, a proven effective leader at the highest levels. JFK was viewed as weak against the Russians by the defense establishment. The Cuban missile crisis was the closet to nuclear war we ever got, the Bay of Pigs failed leading to bad blood with the CIA, he vetoed the false flag with Operation Northwoods which the entire Joint Chiefs supported. Basically made a number of very major enemies and got whacked.\n\nGovernment is pretty much a highly advanced and legitimated mafia. A lot of human organizations and institutions trend in that direction."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhoops, wrong pic."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThe greatest body double. Aerodynamic. People say all the time, svelte and fit. You know perhaps one of the most attractive in many ways too much so!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nIt's just the storm, Dick."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>His presidency immediately followed Eisenhower, a proven effective leader at the highest levels\nwait wasn't he the guy who forced melanin enriched persons into schools at gunpoint against the wishes of the people attending the schools?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "like FDR his reputation has diminished with time and he's not as dick sucked as he was by the generations that lived through that time firsthand"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nmost of the firsthand accounts of them were written by literal groupies like Arthur Schlesinger who had a homo mancrush on them"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>wait wasn't he the guy who forced melanin enriched persons into schools at gunpoint against the wishes of the people attending the schools?\n\nHe’s the guy who let people who want to educate themselves to attend educational institutions based on their American rights regardless of the feelings of the other snowflakes people who were against that."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Here's the real redpill. Eisenhower's \"integration via bayonets\" proved remarkably counterproductive and in 1968 nearly 90% of Southern schools were still segregated. Nixon managed to virtually end segregated schools in just four years by dangling incentives of various kinds in front of Southern states, including moving government contracts and spending there, and offering them more Federal patronage posts, something that Southerners had been virtually excluded from since the Civil War. Amid all the liberal furor over Nixon, they never credited him for this."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIke was a military man not a politician and unfortunately didn't know any better way to do this."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nEisenhower was always more of a politician than a military man.\nEven back in WW2 he was known as a politican, more than a general."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "sexo with Dirk"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love Dirk, stop bully"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nTOTAL DIRK LOVE"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNOW MAXIMUM SEXO"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">tranny jannies remove a ton of posts and comments that break no rules but leave this up"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nkys dirkaphobe"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Glasses\nDirk would be killed under the Khmer Rouge."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDirk would have converted Pol Pot himself."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 celebrated to such a degree? So much so that the dogma that is behind it is jammed in every kids brain in elementary?\n\nThat if a private non-government individual, does not give you their money or property, for a politically incorrect reason, that you are a victim and your rights are being violated?\n\nIf some stranger walked up to you and offered you a contract, saying that he will give you money if you were to eat a bucket of feces, would you be violating his rights if you said no? Anybody with a functioning frontal lobe would say of course not. Anybody with the mental capacity of a fly larvae would get the hint, the morality of this really is not rocket science.\n\nSo what magically changes if this possible client was a black man and you refused because you were a racist? What is it about this scenario that makes people suddenly think that he is a \"victim\" and your shit eating skills is a \"basic right\" that he and the \"community\" is \"entitled\" to?\n\nDo people suddenly lose the right to say the word \"no\" when the reason they do not want to be involved is not a nice one? Hello? Why do people think that a person should need to justify their reasoning to anybody when it comes to their personal financial decisions?\n\nEither people are really stupid or they have no absolutely no morals, which is it?\n\nIs it just utilitarianism? \"Hey, it causes more happiness than sadness, so it's morally right\"? \"Hey, most people want this\"?\n\nYou want to know what else utilitarians support? Anything that the mob does and wants. Stealing? Hey as long as it makes the majority of people happy! Gang rapes? Hey 10 happy people is greater than 1 unhappy person, am I right? Who cares about all this philosophy about rights, let's just be a bunch of cavemen and do whatever makes the most people happy at any given point in time, am I right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope and seethe, cracker."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Americans are niggerlovers, more news at 11."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis again?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "It's actually kind of schizophrenic how it ties into jews\n>the jews\nYes, the Jews, Jews were a huge force behind civil rights and it was mostly to get immigration limits lifted for jews. See, Jews were coming to the US illegally by the boatload and one of the main senators that pushed for civil rights was a jew that made a living giving illegal alien jews legal advice on how to not get deported\n\nI think the \"civil rights was about blacks\" thing was a cover. But not like some grand conspiracy, like a legitimate \"lets slide this is the bill, they'll never know\" kind of a thing.\n\nDemocrats wanted war in the middle east, they wanted to check the soviet's power there, and to do that they cozied up to israel.\n\nIt really is jading to think the only reason some people said yes to civil rights was because of jews, there was also a coalition of northern republicans that blatantly wanted reconstruction 2 which were the other half of the people that voted for civil rights that you don't hear about, and they thought they'd get famous for it but what's funny is nobody even knows the same of the republican leader that spearheaded support for civil rights in the senate"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">OP STILL has not been refuted after obnoxiously making the same thread a hundred times\n>4 replies in less than 10 minutes\nSeñor basado está aquí."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause whites went full autistic towards blacks, remember what whites did was way farther than not wanting to associate with blacks, they passed laws to opress them and used the state to fuck them over. I support freedom of association and I don't agree with a lot of what the civil rights act did, I'm not even white, I'm latino (very latino looking, not white at all) and I agree that the civil rights act went to far in undoing freedom of association, with that said you cannot deny what the whites did to the blacks."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Whites aren’t better than us\n>demands to live around Whites\n>demands White people pay for their education\n>constantly compares itself to Whites\n>”if my people aren’t identical to Whites there’s a racism”\n\nYou worship them"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Yesss GOYIMS, believe the pilpul! You need to let niggers rape your dog or you're a racist!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIf you are not gonna have a real argument then go back to pol."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nWhites did not completely remove them, which is what they deserved being a hostile and alien people.\n>what Whites did was autistic\nLatwinx banned being black in half their countries lmao.\nWhat Whites did was too reasonable.\nThey should have actually been autistic and just gave them the red man treatment."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI can see your huge nose from here."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Where is the line between pilpul and normal arguing"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\n4chan users are unironically the reason I like Jews. I never realized how many based things Jews were responsible for before I found this site."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Arguing\nUse of a set of facts and narrative to try to demonstrate a point\n>Pilpul\n>Use of a set of facts and narrative to try to demonstrate a point that I can't counter, so I'm going to call you a Jew."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYeah illegal immigration is good, subverting immigration laws in your host nation to allow open borders good"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou literally got it backwards.\nIt's not like niggers were left to their own before: Racism was legally institutionalized with shit like Jim Crow's law's and the \"separate but equal\" policy, both unconstitutional."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">What's the difference between refusing a job eating rancid buckets of shit and state-mandated poverty\n\nListen to yourself, you fucking crackpot"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\n>I am now responsible for the people I bought from Jewish merchants, how could this happen to me?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt literally destroyed 7 of the 10 richest cities in the world. It was the biggest blunder our ruling class ever committed, and if they let people question it they could very well end up in a cold forgotten ditch."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\n>>12\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nSupposedly Jews are why being a homo is socially acceptable. As a homo, why shouldn’t I be grateful to the Jews? I have non-white friends, so why shouldn’t I be grateful to the Jews for making it so my friends can’t be discriminated against?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\nWhites didn't do shit to blacks. Neither race wanted to associate with the other. Whites weren't welcome in black areas either. A white sitting in the back of the bus would have caused just as much of a ruckus with blacks as Rosa Parks did with whites. The difference is black areas were shit, because the treated them like shit. Imagine the filth and disrepair of the black part of the bus, or the black section of the movie theatre. They didn't want to associate with whites. They just wanted our shit because the ruined theirs. They wanted our shit because we maintain it. They couldn't compute that the squalar they lived in was of their own making. God I hate niggers. it will never end with them."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nYou're cooking something here.\nProceed."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>Whites didn't do shit to blacks\nThanks for lying right away so I wouldn't have to bother with the test of your gay retardation"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can nitpick the Civil Rights bill all you want, but remember that the USA is a nation where for 100 years the Senate refused to pass a simple bill to make lynching a crime. Literally the most open-and-shut good-vs-evil debate ever and the American government refused to pass it. I'd say African Americans deserved an expansive Civil Rights bill and then some."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n>being denied access to White people is state mandated poverty\n>>19\nWho? My ancestors chose to in a state where there was no slavery and they had no contact with blacks. Now we are forced to associate? Why can’t I just not have black people?\n>NOOOO YOU WILL HAVE BLACK PEOLPLE AROUND\nw h y ?\nh\ny"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>My ancestors chose to in a state where there was no slavery and they had no contact with blacks\nThen how are there blacks in your state?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>Neither race wanted to associate with the other.\nWhites wanted total negro labour control.\n\n>A white sitting in the back of the bus would have caused just as much of a ruckus with blacks as Rosa Parks did with whites. The difference is black areas were shit, because the treated them like shit.\nbuses originally had blacks fill the back first and whites fill the front furst, you could be white and site near a black on a bus if the front and back were filled. The Issue was that bus drivers forced black riders off to make room, ignored blacks at bus stops or buses outright defied social seating conventions to favour white riders by letting them take black seats but not the reverse"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nBeing denied access to capital by the state is state-mandated poverty, yes. Would you seriously argue that the US would be better with independent nigger states blotted in the middle of each of state?"}, {"id": 31, "content": "Race relations in a nutshell.\nBlack man ruins white woman, creates disgusting mutant creature... COME SAVE HER WHITE MAN. Support her 80 IQ child that will grow up to hate you."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\n>turning milwaukee, chicago, detroit, st. louis, philadelphia into third world shitholes to own the chuds.\n\nLeftists are just deranged, no real way to interact reality except through ideology."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\n>Then how are there blacks in your state?\n\nintentional govenrment policy in the 20th century you ignorant tourist. You think negros sprouted in the upper midwest like mushrooms?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nAnd being a pariah state by still having lynchings (who pretty nuch taegetted anything and anybidy by that point) and Jim Crow would be much worse lol."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>Black man ruins white woman\nNooo, poor white women, she didn't mean to spend years sneeding on BBC, how could blacks do this to this innocent being?\n>>33\nNever heard of it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>24\nI’m addition to what I’ve already said, I don’t get why people who believe that there is a successful long standing Jewish conspiracy to keep jews secretly in control don’t simply become jews themselves. If you can’t beat them, join them, as they say."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nPerhaps for your obsolete farm animals. But not much worse."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>You think negros sprouted in the upper midwest like mushrooms?\nPeople black and white migrated. You want to blane someone, blame the South for being so shit (mass sharecropping lol) people left in droves."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nChicago still had massive corruption back then so I'm not sure having fancy buildings (that one may rarely or if ever visit) would help."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>2\nbut I don't want to make you a sandwich, it's wrong"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nYou use public services you serve the public. You want to be picky make a country club."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nYes dumbass there is a huge difference between being a corrupt and wealthy city and being a corrupt shithole. Jesus christ you people are retarded."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>being a corrupt and wealthy city and being a corrupt shithole.\nNot really. Chicago still had poverty and issues in that Era too. You literally just focus at the shiny building like a crow and not take not of problems around the place"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nwe started admitting jews last year, it is truly end times"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>36\nSo I should move to Sudan and work my entire life to help illegal american immigrants to not get deported and lobby Sudanese congress to dismantle their immigration system (literally collapse it) just so 5% more americans can come to sudan?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nAnd that is that country clubs choice anon. Don't like it make your own."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nGo on ahead."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nIf you'll gain something by doing it, then absolutely."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>>48\nOkay but the point is there's nothing to gain in collapsing sudan"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>45\nIf doing so will contribute to you and your people ruling the world, then sure."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nThen why are the sudanese doing this themselves literally right now?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nRight so I guess I don't see the logic in collapsing a country's immigration system so 5% more of my shithead people can come into the country (who are already doing so illegally)"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nIt won't collapse Sudan."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>collapsing a country's immigration system\nIt's still operational and working."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nYes all the illegal brown people in the country sucking up government assistance is a testament to that"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nI would like to note what my comment about concerting to Judaism for practical reasons was about much more than American immigration policy. If Jews can swing their dick politically and economically in terms of things like immigration and civil rights legislation, imagine what else they could accomplish? I’d rather be part of the powerful exploiter than exploited, to be frank."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nThat's not really collapsing and many aren't on assistance or can't access it. It's weird you say the immigration system is collapsing yet not the Healthcare system Covid made a mockery or the mass opioid crisis."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>immigration system doesn't work\n>US inundated with spics and illegals\n>uh actually that's not a collapse immigration system\nholy fuck I'd hate to see a collapsed one, what would that look like, a race war?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>23\nYou should have picked the cotton yourself"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\n>holy fuck I'd hate to see a collapsed one\nAnd you don't because you seem to think America is as dysfunctional as the poorer East Euro states or can't operate/fund a bureaucratic system. Stop being such a woman on the rag and stop bitching so much."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nokay captain optimist, we'll see what happens in the next 20 years with all the browns not paying taxes"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>next 20 years with all the browns not paying taxes\nPeople said that 30+ years ago."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>23\n>Whites didn't do shit to blacks.\nYou cannot have this conversation by starting with such a tremendous lie. I support freedom of association, but such statement is a complete lie to the point of being utter nonsense."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nAnd? The US has been on a financial downturn since the 70's after the jews opened the borders. You could say correlation does not equal causation but you'd have to be a braindead retard to think that all those browns on welfare and hopping the boarder getting payouts from the US treasury is a sound financial decision"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>32\nMuh leftists"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>7\nWhites didn't do shit.\nIt was Southerners.\n\nIt wasn't until the late 1800s that people really started moving around in the US.\n\nBefore then it was really rare for people from New England states to mix with New Yorkers."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccess to brown resources and labor is not a human right."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>brown resources and labor\nor a possibility"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>34\n>And being a pariah state by still having lynchings and Jim Crow\nChina boasts about killing mudslimes, yet capital keep flowing in and out of them. let's not forget that jew/nigger worship is an American religion, exported by its Central Intelligence Agency. if amerigolems were still segregated, then it would be accepted. America sets the global standard for some reason"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>let's not forget that jew/nigger worship is an American religion, exported by its Central Intelligence Agency.\nNo not really.\n\n>if amerigolems were still segregated, then it would be accepted. America sets the global standard for some reason\nIt would lose allies lol. A big controversy occurred when restaurants refused to serve African diplomatic staff and embarrassed the government"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>64\n>you'd have to be a braindead retard to think that all those browns on welfare and hopping the boarder getting payouts from the US treasury is a sound financial decision\nOnly 11% of Hispanics are on stamps and Hispanics make up 28% of all welfare recipients as of 2021. that's actually pretty low"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nWhat about all the illegal spics they're giving free stuff to"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>28\nthey fucking outlawed us from telling them \"no you can not have this you did not build it\""}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>29\n>Whites\nwho?\nSoutherners are all Whites?\nWhy dont Northern Abolitionists get to say \"no\"\n>muh buses\nWhat do Whites owe blacks? why? Why are they owed anything?\n>slavery\nmake the ottomans pay reparations to Yugos\nmake the mexicans pay reparations to the texans and natives"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nNeither did you"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI know the Civil Rights Movement is pretty obscure among the younger crowd especially amid the \"alt-right\" craze sweeping America. But there's a reason why the government had to change the laws in 1964. The Soviets started lambasting America as treating its Blacks worse than they did. They used it in propaganda to isolate us from our allies. Furthermore, they seeded Marxist parties across the country in response to the dissatisfaction with race relations. The feds wanted to pull the rug out from under the Soviets and take away their argument. And in the 1950s, Blacks organized boycotts that crippled Southern cities. The only way to return to normalcy was to pass the law and shut the whole thing up.\n\nNowadays, many young children hate civil rights because they see nothing but noise and violent arguments online, but 1964 was way before that. That was a time when, once something passed, people had a chance to be calm. Before the Civil Rights Movement, the races didn't even talk to each other. Years after the Civil Rights Act, that started changing. You could actually talk to a Black person without being lynched. While many young children in 2023 hate being able to do this, they never knew a segregated society and don't know how bizarre it is."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>21\njews are also behind trannyism fyi"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nI don't want to talk to niggers TBPH"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nBlack leaders were very good at marketing themselves and appearing presentable and normal. In those days you could look at some guy like Louis Armstrong or MLK and go \"ah ok why are we denying him his civil liberties.\" if you saw what passes for black culture today you'd want to bring lynchings back."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>63\nwhat exactly did Whites in Albany do to blacks?\n>Whites are collectively responsible for slavery\ngood, now all blacks are collectively responsible for the 30,000 Whites killed by blacks in the last 50 years."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>67\nWhites fought and died for that right tho\nwhen did blacks conquer New York by the sword?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nIt's way more than 30,000."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>75\n>you dont own your inheritance\nHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAA\nAlso I did, I am a net taxpayer, I am still not allowed to refuse Sec8 negros who take my money and use things I pay for while giving nothing in return."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\n>>Whites are collectively responsible for slavery\nWhy do always twist what people say like that? Whites benefited from the wealth and racial inequality as a whole even if they didnt partook in slavery.\n>good, now all blacks are collectively responsible for the 30,000 Whites killed by blacks in the last 50 years.\nWhat kind of retarded logic is that? How did the actions of some retarded criminals benefit blacks who were themselves the victims of these retards.\n>>79\nThis is the mental illness of people here in 2023. Imagine how bad the stuff was back then."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nHow have whites benefitted from slavery? Do you honestly believe America would be a poorer country without having practised slavery?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nAmerica wouldnt be poor but the white upper class wouldn't be this rich either. So bro but you can't just ditch negroes after they ran out of their usefulness as their slaves post America is built upon slavery."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n*Post industrialisation"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\n>Whites\nwho? who are \"Whites\"?\n>All European-Americans benefitted from wealth and racial inequality\nnope, in fact it hit Whites much harder than blacks because Whites had to\n>rebuild the South\n>house a bunch of net negatives like negros\n>and suffer the elevated crime, poverty, and social/political disruption negros produce\n\nalso there was no such thing as \"wealth inequality\" in the South, they had their country burned, their young men pressed into service where they were killed or wounded at a rate higher than any nation in history including China in WWII.\nThe life expectancy of a Russian born in the early 1920s was 23 years old, the life expectancy of a Southerner born in the 1840s was 19.\nThey had an absurdly high mortality/casualty rate, something blacks were totally spared of.\n>SLAVERY!\nThe institution which produced the most literate subset of africans in the world at the time?\nWhere their life expectancy was higher than those in africa?\n>BUT THEY COULDNT LEAVE\nthey didnt leave after they freed anyway, historically most people lived their entire lives within 20 miles of their birth place.\n>how does black people stealing from Whites and putting that money into the black community benefit them"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nJewish antique farming equipment doesn't deserve rights."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\n>>87\nottomans, latinos, and arabs all liquidated their ex-slaves\n>you cant just get rid of them\nso we have to give them special rights?\nWhy do consider telling blacks no to be\n>ditch\nthem?\nI would fully support subsidizing all blacks, but they will all live in the same state and Whites are allowed to refuse service to blacks."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>38\nhow about we just have equality under the law and blacks start getting executed when they murder someone?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>86\nWithout slavery white Americans could live in safe communities, wouldn't pay half as much in taxes, and basically every aspect of live would be better in every way for the vast majority of the population except for some upper class southerners would be slightly less rich. There would have been no civil war, America wouldn't be nearly so divided, and more than a hundred thousand people would not have been murdered. Black Americans, on the other hand, would still have been slaves but in the Congo and Nigeria instead, wouldn't have been freed until the early 20th century and would be the poorest classes in Africa today."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>30\nblacks were never denied access to capital, it was never illegal for a black person to sell their labor or creations nor way it illegal for a black to pay for something with a legal tender.\n>would the US be better with blacks not running around murdering people at insane rates\nyes?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\n>Muh whites were real victims because they for their shit pushed in because of the war they started over slavery\nWhat the fuck lmao\n>>89\n>>90\nIt brings such solace to my heart that actual sociopathic monsters like you live in constant agony and can only vent on slipper making forums hiding your faces else pic related happens."}, {"id": 95, "content": "Liberalism doesn't really have many clear cut moral \"wins\" and the Civil Rights is one of those wins so massive focus on it."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\n>We wanted all the benefits of slavery but not any shortcomings of it\nSorry but that's not how it's works. Also you should have maybe tried not having segregation laws that pushed an entire race of people living as illiterate second class citizens far from any actual benefits of living in a first world country."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>88\n>their young men pressed into service where they were killed or wounded at a rate higher than any nation in history including China in WWII.\n>The life expectancy of a Russian born in the early 1920s was 23 years old, the life expectancy of a Southerner born in the 1840s was 19.\nSomething like 1 in 5 Southern men in his early 20s in 1860 died during the war. That's high but not as high as the figure for young men in the USSR during WWII. It definitely wasn't as bad as that one war in Paraguay that killed something like 90% of the male population."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 celebrated to such a degree?\nLook up the biggest, most influential media companies in the US.\nThen look up which ethno-religious background most of the people who run those companies have.\nThen look up which race their religion commands them to eradicate."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 celebrated to such a degree?\nAmerican society worships niggers especially the class of people who influence culture. To a nigger worshiper the snivel rights movement is like the exodus to the Jews or the birth of jesus to Christians."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nUtilitarianism and its consequences have been a disaster for both the human race and the non-Adamic mud peoples."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>91\nAggravated murder in like 1/2 of the US can get you the death penalty regardless of your race."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>94\nSlavery was primarily a Jewish institution. They ran the slave ships and owned the slaves."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>94\nYou realize the North, which fields the full weight of the negro, is by far the vast majority of \"Whites\"\nslavers were a minority of a minority.\nWhy is it appropriate to lay slavery at the feet of the people who ended it?\n>\"No I dont want to be forced to live around people who naturally make less money and more criminality\"\n>\"SOCIOPATH MONSTER\"\nexplain?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>98\n>Then look up which race their religion commands them to eradicate.\nred pill us with credible sources because google doesnt do the justice for me"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\nYou know Jews were fellow white people back then? You know that the economic benefits of slavery trickled down to everyone that wasn't a slave? You know everyone thinks Jews are whites except poltards and definitely expects reparations from them alongside everyone else."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>96\nThe problem is niggers.\nNiggers behave like niggers regardless of how you treat them.\nThe most privileged niggers in the world still behave like niggers."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>fellow whites\n>trickle down economics\nlel"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>103\n>You realize the North, which fields the full weight of the negro, is by far the vast majority of \"Whites\"\nAnd? They too benefited from the foundational slavery and slavery beyond that. Everyone except slaves benefitted from slavery.\n>Why is it appropriate to lay slavery at the feet of the people who ended it?\nIf I beat the shit out of my brother for not letting go slaves then it doesn't mean I am also not responsible to return the slave what he is owed.\n>>\"No I dont want to be forced to live around people who naturally make less money and more criminality\"\nNice poltard argument"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\nhttps://youtube.com/shorts/JepHQIeSUWM?feature=share"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\n>People living in shit neighborhoods are more likely to be involved in violence despite money\nNow being up the stats if Black people living in gated communities.\n>>107\n>>fellow whites\nThey are white by every metric and noone cares if they or poltards think otherwise. Sorry.\n>trickle down economics\nYes"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>90\n>ottomans, latinos, and arabs all liquidated their ex-slaves\nFalse. There are a lot of mixed race people in the Middle East/North Africa and Latin America."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nThe neighborhoods are shit because niggers.\nA nice neighborhood will become shit if niggers move there.\nA shit neighborhood will become nice if niggers are removed from there."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\n>People living in shit neighborhoods are more likely to be involved in violence despite money\nThis is beyond parody."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\n>>113\nPoltard meltdown. Bring me the statistics of Black people living in good neighborhoods or shut up."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nIt's not a good neighborhood if niggers are there.\nThat's like asking to be shown a bug-free roach infestation."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nYes,the settlements pumped full of drugs by feds and segregated to death aren't supposed to recover instantly. You can blame it on black people like the historicallly illiterate retard you are."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nYes,the settlements pumped full of niggers by feds and niggered to death"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>94\n>NOO YOU WON'T GIVE ME SPECIAL PRIVILEGES YOU'RE A HECKIN' SOCIOPATHIC MONSTER\nWhite men died to free you from slavery, every white person was born after slavery ended, most white zoomers you are talking to now were born decades after civil rights and had black history month since elementary, America bends over backwards for you. Your moral compass is completely out of whack with reality.\n\nAn unusual situation has arisen. Nigerian immigrants outperform native whites, yet African Americans still underachieve significantly. Why isn't racism holding Nigerians down? Sure, racism still exists, but clearly it has been whittled down to virtually nothing if a Nigerian can come to America with nothing and do better than the group \"America was built for\". Why does an African American with a college degree need to be hired for being \"diverse\" over a better qualified white person, because of the high proportion of African Americans still in the ghetto who fail to get their GED? They are completely different individuals with different problems, the only thing that unites them is the color of their skin. There is 0 logic to this, 0 morality, 0 ethics, even with your own social justice ethos none of it makes sense, but, oh no, guess what, \"critical race theory\" has declared objectivity to be a \"characteristic of white supremacy\", you have literally found a way to circumvent reason itself, so none of this matters. You can just make shit up now.\n\nI think at a certain point, when you're deep into this kind of thing, you know it is bullshit, it is not about fighting racism. You have a good racket going and wypipo are going along with it. It is about fucking with wypipo and you think you're gangstas or whatever. We're not naive on 4chan. You can prove me wrong, but that would mean cutting out the \"diversity\" bullshit, which of course will never happen. We will see where this all leads."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\nthe hatred in your heart makes it impossible for you to ever have genuine relation with god or Jesus"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>unknown\nAll that crap and not a single good argument. I just don't understand your mindset.\nYou just want to hate blacks so much that you are trying to sideline 2 centuries worth of racism and exclusion just because corporate states of America gave a token \"black history month\" to them or because they created some music zoomers like. I can point to you multiple sources but you will just disregard them as pozzed or something. Tbf you are just plebian at the end of the today btiching about other people on internet as if you would be some marble guy pfp you probably had at some point on twitter. You are literally the part of the underclass just that black people are even below on the financial scale you feel like an ubermensch.\n>If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\nAt the end of the day we both won't do shit so I don't know why I keep wasting my time with you people."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>23\nWhites could definitely go into black areas."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>102\nHilariously false numbers"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>108\nslaves get to live in a society made wealthy by labor, they benefit, furthermore they benefitted directly because they lived on estates where they knew no starvation or great labor, they had a longer life expectancy than Whites.\n>if slavery wasnt awful, how do you explain black outcomes\na product of black people...????\n>Whites have less rights than non-Whites\n>objecting to this is POLLLLLLLLLLLLLL\nboogeyman troonposting lel"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>108\nalso slavery stunted industrialization and its wealth was destroyed, they also exported MORE to England than to New England, in fact New England traders even said it was unreasonable how the South preferred shipping American products overseas to process than sending them to Northern Textile factories who drew 90% of their cotton from overseas because Southerners preferred shipping to England.\n\nso, no, Northern Whites not only did not benefit, they had to struggle against foreign powers made stronger by Southerners.\n\nblack people should pay reparations to their liberators who not only had to conquer their captors but had to contend with the allies of their captors.\nblack people are spoiled, simple as."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>111\n>false\nnope, was state mandated.\n>mixed race people exist therefore oppression not real\ngreat, glad we have absolved the South of any wrongdoing, mixed race people exist right, if it was such an oppressive society, there could be no mixed race people because... reasons, right, that is what you're saying.\n\nalso mixed race people in West Asia are less than 1% of the population, they basically dont exist.\n>inb4 there are multiple arab \"races\""}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\nThis is 7th dimensional victim blaming."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>114\n>>116\nblack children raised by White parents in wealthy neighborhoods are still just as low IQ and criminal as blacks in \"bad\" areas.\nit even caused the shitlib who conducted the study (Minnesota transracial adoption study) to completely leave the field of social sciences because it was such a thorough refutation of race-denialism."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>120\n>>unknown = >>118\n>I just don't understand your mindset.\nWell take a statement like this \"2 centuries worth of racism and exclusion\". To me this is illogical. You were born 20 to 30 years ago, I assume, in the richest country in the world, with civil rights and affirmative action, I am racially discriminated against in your favor, Nigerian immigrants don't suffer the same \"racial\" disparity as you despite us still being incredibly racist and Nigerians arriving to the US with less wealth and advantages than you, yet their children perform better in school and they perform better across the board. Despite whatever \"racism\" remains holding them back.\n\nWhat your ancestors were doing 200 years ago has little effect on the present day. The ancestors of the people who sold you into slavery are probably far poorer than you. A lot can change in 200 years, but to you \"2 centuries worth of racism and exclusion\" sounds like a lot, in your mind it is big therefore it is important and right, more relevant than facts, evidence, statistics, logic. When people like me disprove you, you think I am being mean, you think \"objectivity\" I am using is white supremacy.\n\nActually, no, you're just incorrect. Suck a dick."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>120\n>dont want to live around blacks\n>this is considered hateful\nWhy the fuck are you obsessed with putting black people in areas where there historically were ZERO black people?\nWhy cant a White New Yorker say \"No blacks\"\n>2 centuries of racism\ndidnt stop Serbs, or Irish, or the chinese, or siberian americans, or just higher IQ black groups.\n>token black history month\nblacks were allotted a billion dollars in social services, they are literally given money to burn.\n\nWhere SHOULD blacks be?\n\nI want this answered, you never will answer it, but where should blacks be?\n\nif there was ZERO racism, where would blacks be? poorer than Whites, richer than Whites or identical to Whites?\n>I dont know\nIf you do not know what America should look like, how can you tell if there is anything wrong with it?\nHow do you know racism isnt just a boogeyman and blacks are actually benefitting more than what they should?\nHow do you know? You simply dont or you refuse to say."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>126\n>criminals arent to blame, its the people who killed the people who captured their ancestors who are responsible for blacks being illiterate up till 8th grade"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>81\nI can see your huge nose from here"}, {"id": 132, "content": "If shitlibs continue to deny reality and gaslight eventually the other side will stop talking and they will invite a reprisal which sees an extinction level conflict.\nblacks are utterly powerless against China, and as China outclasses the West, China can do whatever they want with africa, including producing Chinese majority towns and excluding blacks from their own homeland.\n\nshitlibs, if they are still alive, will long for a humble plantation where they could die at the age of 80 rather than die at the age of 19 in a unranium mine"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\nwhere's the lie?\nright by conquest is a valid form of ownership accepted by everyone in the pre-capitalist era.\naccess to White people is not a human right, unless you want a race war."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>oy vey what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine\ncool story rabbi"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>127\n>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study\nEverything here says otherwise of your argument lol. Now you will tell how it's all pozzed and nothing except what you agree with counts.\n>>128\nYou know that Nigerians are pre selected populations which are best of the best of their countries? They also don't have to deal with racial fallout in America to the extent the communities embedded in America do.\n>>129\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? Your argument might be valid for Asians but not other whites who got folded into the greater American fold while blacks faces segregation for decades. Asians also weren't a major ethnic group in America segregated into ghettos and bombarded with drugs and over policing. Their neighborhoods were never severely targeted because they couldn't be made into bogeymen because of their miniscule population and better relationship between Asian countries like Japan and even China.\n>>130\nWhat?"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>126\n>I am a victim, yous owes me cracka\nyou are just using the suffering of your ancestors as an excuse to get free shit, it's incredibly petty"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nFunny thing is that what is lost can never be paid back enough. No amount of reparations will make up for all the death and suffering. But further injustice should be reduced. Also what free shit? People are asking for opportunities not money. You think your welfare propaganda is reality? Lol. You look at the most trashiest of negroes to feel good about yourselves but look at only select white people when you look at your own race."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>134\n>black labor was \"stolen\" because they worked for White people"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">Browns are guilty of \"genocide\" and \"replacement\" because they worked for white people"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>135\nWell, take your pick, literally every immigrant group does better than you, even Hispanics who are mostly without higher education and a good proportion arrived illegally and received far less welfare than you did.\n\n>They also don't have to deal with racial fallout in America to the extent the communities embedded in America do.\nHow could this \"embedded racial fallout\" possibly hold you back more than a Hispanic who arrives in America with nothing? How does this work exactly? What happened? Did the KKK burn a cross on your yard? Did they beat drums outside your school to distract you and lower your grades? Where are the facts? How do you intend to quantify how oppressed you are? Is your oppression really at a level that justifies violating people's rights to correct it?\n\nThe thing is, you don't have to give a shit about any of this, most black people are automatically on board with you whatever you do, right or wrong, and a good chunk of white leftists. This isn't about racial justice, it is about power. You want power, you want to keep this racket going, and everything else is just sophistry to justify it."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>135\n>everything here says otherwise\nnope\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results\nyou didnt even read the page.\n>nigerians are sending their higher IQ people\nright and the \"racism\" of america can not stop high IQ people, so maybe blacks are just not high IQ as a group\n>blacks faces\nESL\n>segregation\nprove segregation has some profound effect on blacks living today, dont tell me a story, give us a testable mechanism of action.\nFor example, Whites make money because they are intelligent and pro-social, this leads to the creation and perpetration of economics based on exchange and success for those who display these behaviors, e.g. asians are also successful as are high IQ blacks.\n\n\nWhere SHOULD blacks be?\nWithout segregation, racism, whatever, where would blacks be?\nHow much money should the average black man make compared to Whites? the same amount? Why, they arent the same people."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\n>Well, take your pick, literally every immigrant group does better than you, even Hispanics who are mostly without higher education and a good proportion arrived illegally and received far less welfare than you did.\nProof that Hispanics we are talking about are from the illegally migrated bulk? They are also marginally better and many of them are categorised as \"white\".\n>>141\nIt should be self evident how a marginalisedcommunity isolated from better off people would suck ass for years. Read about \"white flight\" how White people tried to appropriate their taxes of their own purpose.\n>Inb4 it was their money.\nI know that but how is community supposed to develop when it doesn't have any capital of any kind. Why is this even a question?"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>139\nno, they're guilty of genocide and replacement because they murder at crazy rates and consider it a violation of their rights as a human if they cant live in a White mans home,"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>125\nI don't know what to say if you think Brazil and Arabia killed ALL their black people lol"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>119\nHating evil is good, actually, and tolerance is the absence of virtue."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>137\n>Funny thing is that what is lost can never be paid back enough.\nThen the only real solution is TOTAL NIGGER DEATH and be done with it."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>135\n>Everything here says otherwise of your argument lol. Now you will tell how it's all pozzed and nothing except what you agree with counts.\nThose IQ gains dissipated at adulthood which is predicted by the hereditarian hypothesis because heritability of traits increases with age. Also half black adoptees who believed themselves to be pure black had higher IQs than pure blacks which is what you would expect if the hereditarian hypothesis is true. Subsequent admixture studies have borne this out. European ancestry in blacks and Hispanics correlates with IQ independently of skin color. Incidentally a lot of genetics deniers threw down that gauntlet and said race realists need admixture studies and when we got them they pretended they never said it and shifted the goalpost somewhere else."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk why you need civil rights and not just economical rights.\n\nMaybe society is more complicated than a monetary transaction, and if you reduce the whole civil rights movement to blacks need cash it looks absurd and impractical"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>147\nYou are only focus on the part that agrees with you.They also say the effect of pre-adoptive environment was the most significant."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>142\nwell its not self evident so why dont you explain what exactly keeps you from being able to read and write at 14?\n>read about how White people used their money for themselves\nhow entitled can you be to say Whites do not have a right to their own money in their own country?"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>144\n>Brazil is all of latin America\n>Arabia\noh right, they kept the women as sex slaves, I mean, (You) wouldnt be around, Tyrese.\nthat's all I am saying.\n>>137\n>what is lost can never be paid back\nSo Whites are just saddled with black people till the end of time?\nthen Whites are left with no other options but warfare."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>150\n>well its not self evident so why dont you explain what exactly keeps you from being able to read and write at 14?\nWell what keeps an average poltard to enslave to lose their virginity later than the average?\n>how entitled can you be to say Whites do not have a right to their own money in their own country?\nMaybe don't bring people to your country as slaves and then ditch them to fend off themselves with no capital of their own? How about that?"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>149\n>They also say the effect of pre-adoptive environment was the most significant.\nactually they never say that, that was someone long after the fact who was searching (desperately I might add and without evidence) for an explanation that is not related to race.\nThere is zero evidence pre-adoptive conditions influence life outcome.\nThe reasoning given was\n>race cant be a factor\n>therefore the factor must be in the few years/months prior to adoption\n\nblack outcome is a result of genetics, they have every advantage one could possibly want, yet they still fail the Bar exam 500% more than Whites.\nFlunk out of schools at higher rates, despite their acceptance also being higher due to inclusivity policies.\n\nWhat would someone have to prove to demonstrate black people are responsible for black outcomes?\n\nWhat SHOULD reality look like if 'race realism' were the case?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\n>then Whites are left with no other options but warfare.\nIts always violence with you people. Who are you threatening man. You think I would be scared of pic related? And what's with the \"white people\"? Many white people are decent people and not eternally online virgins."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\nStop making shit up. Noone tried \"desperately\" to find holes. If it has holes than it has holes simple as that.Again you would only post the shit you agree with the rest of it is \"pozzed\"."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>143\nNever happened"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>145\nRacial idolatry is paganism. You can't be a racist Christian."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>152\n>doesnt answer the question\n>\"incel!\"\ntypical mammy raised matriarchal type\nlet me guess, you do your hair and see shoes as a status symbol?\n>dont enslave them\nwe didnt, a minority of a minority did, you can go to Confederate graves and piss on them all you want, but stay the fuck away from US.\n>ditch them\nThey are the most privileged people in human history having comforts and opportunities far above their station and beyond that of anyone else in the world.\nThe Entirety of The Western Society has become a day-care for black people.\n\nAny school you apply to will give you deference for being black\nLuxury Stores like Target and J.C. Penny will literally allow you steal as a form of reparations.\nPolice are not only told to stand down when you destroy entire metropolitan areas, they will punish those who defend their property and their lives in the face of your childish tantrum.\nEven countries who were ex-colonies, themselves enslaved, having never once held another people in bondage let alone blacks, now are kowtowing toward you.\nAll because you are black.\n\nIf you feel oppressed now or like you are underperforming.\nJust you wait until The Day-Care becomes a Labor Camp and John White becomes Long Dong.\nThen you will see what you had and how you utterly squandered it being petulant children."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>154\n>its always violence\nas opposed to what? becoming slaves to blacks?\n>Whites enslaved black pipo\nand black people fought wars, lost them, and made rebellions, and lost them.\nWere they wrong to do so?\n>scared of pic related\nwell consider that whoever that guy is, he is worth at least 100 of you and the sole reason he couldnt wreak havoc on an entire ghetto is because the National Security apparatus is doing literally everything possible to keep him from lifting a finger in his own defense, let alone the offense against another.\n>many White people are decent\nnever seen a decent person kneel to a foreigner who hates them\n>eternally online virgins\nthe one endearing trait about blacks is they go online and talk shit about women."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>158\n>>159\nTldr"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>156\n>non-Whites commit no murder\n>non-Whites do not exist in White countries\n\nWho's the show for?\n>>155\n>if it has holes\nit has no holes, children are not deeply influenced to fail or succeed in life based on the first few years of development, theyd have to be starving or undergo some sort of extreme trauma for this to influence them further on down the line, children are extremely malleable and elastic, nothing is 'locked in' by age 5.\n>you would only post the shit you agree with\n\nThe entire study agrees with me.\nit is irrefutable evidence of racial differences.\n\nAlso you failed to answer my question.\n\nWhat would evidence for race being the origin of life outcome look like?\nWhat should race realists aim for?\nWhat is required for (You) to accept genetics = life outcome?\nwhat would prove it to you personally?"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\nblack people have it better than they deserve, go back to school and maybe you will read above the 3rd grade level."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>158\nCrying and btiching about superficial corpo virtue signalling again lol\n>>159\n>Slaves to Black people\nYou are fucking insane. This is what privilege looks like when people give this reaction when talk about equality comes in.\n>well consider that whoever that guy is, he is worth at least 100 of you\nLol sure thing. People like this are bully fodder and I assume you heavily relate to him considering your poltical opinions kek. Sorry that you for bullied so hard but don't take it out on others.\n>and the sole reason he couldnt wreak havoc on an entire ghetto is because the National Security apparatus is doing literally everything possible to keep him from lifting a finger in his own defense, let alone the offense against another.\nNice excuses my man. You wont do shit and keep making excuses till the end of days. You think you sound threatening when you believe some nerd sitting behind a keyboard is some Rambo macho white guy you saw on movies?\n>never seen a decent person kneel to a foreigner who hates them\nBlack aren't foreigners to America you dipshit. And noone is kneeling to Black people.It has and always be about equality."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>161\n>The entire study agrees with me.\nIt literally doesn't. You keep selectively quoting it.Even if there were major racial differences in IQ then gene editing will automatically fix it. The thing is that if there was a button that would make black people ultra geniuses you wouldn't push it because it was never about judging a man from the content of his character."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\n>literally above the law\n>companies will take millions in damages to appease blacks\n\"superficial\"\nWhat in your opinion would be not superficial? What should companies do for black people?\n>you are insane\nwrong you entitled retard, if Whites must suffer blacks till the end of time that is slavery.\n>privilege\nbeing above the law, like blacks are, is what it looks like.\n>bully fodder\nyour entire race is leveled by a word, doesnt matter if its an Aryan Brotherhood Gigachad or a small asiatic girl, you will pretend its a triple holocaust enslavement jim crow turbo segregation if anyone says le 'n'.\n>you wont do shit\nThen why am I to blame for your failure? I am obviously a non-factor who cant/wont do anything.\n>blacks arent foreingers\nthey are, they see themselves as distinct from the Founding Stock of the United States, and are openly hostile to their existence and the existence of their Country.\n>its always about equality\n\nequality means you get executed and imprisoned at higher rates because you commit more crimes, you do not want equality, you want parity with or to be above Whites in whatever you do.\n\nWant to be treated like Whites?\nAct White.\nbe quieter\nwork harder\nliterally stop murdering at rates higher than warzones\none black city in America is deadlier than Iraq and Afghanistan combined."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>157\nSo only whites can be Christians?"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>164\n>selectively quoting it\nlook at the data table.\nIt speaks for itself.\n>gene editing will fix it\nand everyone will edit you out of existence kek, your mothers wont abort you, they will just modify you to be White.\nbrutal existence, you literally admit there must be a complete genetic overturn to solve being 'black'\n>no they wont delete our features\n\nYou will all have straight hair, fair skin, light eyes, and White facial features.\nyou will at best keep a light tan and call yourself \"black\" as you appear closer to a Finn visually than a purple yoruba"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">its a /pol/ refugee thread\n>read rest of post\n>its a schizo thread\n\nFor shits ans giggles i'll respond, even though I know I wont get a good answer back.\n\nThe reason why civil rights is touted so much in school is because its one of the few if any times where ideaology forced change upon a system of rights.\n\nYour rights are not \"from god.\" They are not natural rights. Your rights come from the state. Meaning that if the state (governmental body, including police and policymakers alike, and those who fund the state a.k.a the elite) have more power than you, then you in turn have less rights as a human because the state is able to enforce that on to you.\n\nCivil rights is touted because it gives a small and very slim chance that if the crisis was big enough, we'd be able to yeild power over the state.\n\nYet somehow I doubt this will be true anymore.\n\nAny argument of\n>reperations\n>political incorrectness\n>utilitarnism\n>having the right to do anything\nIs just dogmatic rhetoric used to justify the exploitation of the state under the guise of \"freedom\"\n\nUltimately if you were \"free\" talk of reparations would be up to the group that is the strongest.\n\nFucking /pol/ retard"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>165\n>wrong you entitled retard, if Whites must suffer blacks till the end of time that is slavery.\nThis is some fucked up mentality. Cringe.\n>being above the law, like blacks are, is what it looks like.\nDid you poltard friends tell you that?\n>your entire race is leveled by a word, doesnt matter if its an Aryan Brotherhood Gigachad or a small asiatic girl, you will pretend its a triple holocaust enslavement jim crow turbo segregation if anyone says le 'n'.\n>Aryan Brotherhood Gigachad\nDoesnt exist. It's only balding middle age who just shave off at this point.\n>Muh Niggger word\nJust don't say it. Though people overreact but ita mostly genocidal pieces of shit like you who say this.\n>they are, they see themselves as distinct from the Founding Stock of the United States, and are openly hostile to their existence and the existence of their Country.\nWhat the fuck? Asking for equal rights isnt being hostile to US of A. It's about supporting bombers who kill innocent children to own the feds. Also it's not about the country it's about the land. They help build this nation whether forcefully or not.\n>Muh founding stock\nSo how many more types of whites are you going to let in? The country was solely made for WASPs.Rest is just bullshit dishonest. You refuse to see Black people as equals because you want to feel special about being white depsite being nobody. I dont think you would tolerate any non-white minority no matter how hardworking and moral it is. You will dig something to be an asshole.\n>>167\n>look at the data table.\n>It speaks for itself.\nI will listen to people that could interpretate better than you and me.\n>and everyone will edit you out of existence\nI am not so sure. Black people are pretty confident with their bodies and disproportionately represented amongst sports stars and actors. If there is intelligence upgrade to be had then I would have it from Asians or Jews."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>25\nyou seem to be making sweeping generalizations about whites being one homogeneous group to castigate them but then your next argument is to claim that \" the actions of some retarded criminals\" to downplay black crime. Why should you be taken seriously."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>157\nYou aren't Christian, you're a marxist tranny."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>151\nLol I wasn't aware there was even the capacity to kill, deport, or sterilize tens of millions of men in 1900."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>168\n>>168\n>pol bad\n>has literally pol's opinion\nwhy are they like this?"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>166\nMost whites are Marxist\n>>171\n>t. J'marcus Jones Ramirez Cheng, proud 1/64th Scandinavian wignat ethnopagan from Minnesota"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>169\n>you WILL take care of me forever\nhow is this not slavery?\n>poltard\nnope, just the State Dept and FBI who have the police stand down when blacks commit a wave of criminality more devastating than an actual war.\nThat is called being above the law.\n>JUST DONT SAY IT\nor what, you going to murder more innocent people?\n>genocidal\n>\"I dont want to live around black people\"\n>HELP ITS A GENOCIDE\ncan you not live without Whites?\n>equal rights\nEquality under the law is racist because black people break the law more often and therefore are disproportionately affected by legal punishments.\nYou dont want equality, you want parity with White people.\n>its about land\nWherever Whites are they prosper, wherever you are, you make africa.\nLand isnt magical, Whites could give you 90% of the country and Whites would all move to a desert like Arizona, youd still try to get into our desert paradise and claim we left you with an unworkable nation of vast forests, rich mountains, and abundant arable land.\n>they help build this nation\nnope, in just one race riot they have cost more to the country than all of what slavery produced in 250 years.\nThey actively destroy this nation and they overwhelmingly vote for people and policies that literally subjugate America to foreign powers and people.\n>more types of Whites\nWhites founded the country, they can let in whoever they want.\n>solely made for WASPs\nNWE*, but I agree, we should deport Swedes who vote to import africans.\n>you dont see black as equals because you want to feel special\nprojection, Whites dont care about feeling special, they dont see blacks as equals because blacks are literally not their equal in anything\n>IQ\nWhite\n>Wealth (a product of IQ)\nWhite\n>Martial prowess\nWhite\n>Political Skill\nWhite\n>Quality of Life\nWhite\n>Music\nWhite\n>Science\nWhite\n>you wont tolerate any minority\nnot in my home, why do you think Whites are obligated to allow foreigners into their home?"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>169\n>I will listen to someone with a political agenda\nThere is nothing to interpret, blacks are lower IQ than Whites independent of material conditions.\nThis is a fact. IQ is genetic\n>no its not\ndo you think inbreeding affects IQ? inbreeding is purely genetic.\n>black people are pretty confident with their bodies\nyet they all dye their hair, lighten their skin, and meticulously try to straighten or reduce the texture of their hair.\n>I would have it from asians or jews\nyou would be getting it from Anglicans actually.\nand youd change your eye color to blue, your hair to blonde, and your skin lighter than what it is now.\nblack people literally believe they become White if they go to heaven."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>175\n>>176\nPoltard mental illness. There is no helping you.Now go be a some wagie like everyone else while feeling all so high over them niggers and stop pretending that you are up for honest discussion of ideas."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>175\nNot him.\nThere is no immunity doctrine for black criminals in American law. I've heard of one murder case where a jury couldn't reach a unanimous verdict b/c some were uncomfortable with the fact that the alleged killer was black and this was IIRC a state with the death penalty, but they just ordered a retrial I think. The killer was eventually convicted.\nThe problem is that solving murders and convicting a culprit requires time, effort, and determination while it's easier for wealthy DAs and LEOs to ignore suspicious deaths of poor people or send someone away with a plea bargain that carries a short sentence. That's a big reason why so many murders in the ghetto are never solved."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>175\n>music\n>white\nThe musics made by descendants of enslaved Africans in the New World are a major part of the continent's musical heritage."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe ironic thing here is during the same time they were forcing whites to go to school with blacks they were using whites tax dollars to build an ethnostate for jews who deports 50,000 blacks a year"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>172\n>I wasnt aware WWI was possible\nblack people everyone"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>177\nI literally just dont want to live around black people, why does this make you think of things like genocide?"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt really is jammed in education. I learned about the Civil Rights Movement seemingly every year from First Grade to High School."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\nAnd this in the same school where our history teacher left Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire out of any discussion of WW1 because she knew the majority of students were either incapable of or too apathetic to remember their existence."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>181\nWWI was an extermination of tens of millions of male civilians on home territory with primitive means?"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">This whole thread"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>178\n>no immunity doctrine\nnot that but there is inequality where possible, it is that the law is not an all powerful entity existing in a state of perfection, it is subject to the whims of judges and lawyers and the legal process can be obstructed by those charged with carrying it out.\n\nblacks uniformly object to black criminals being punished, Whites are neutral, and blacks have no issue with throwing the book at Whites, especially if they see it as a black vs White issue.\n\nAlso as we know many cases of outright refusal to prosecute blacks such as the norm of riots and lootings."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>186\n>you're wrong because I hate blacks\nYou aren't much brighter than the average /his/poster."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>179\ncorruptions of marches or hymns are not \"a major part of the continent's musical heritage\"\nAmerica has no musical heritage, it has no great composers or artists, it has composers and artists, but they are not like those of Europe."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>188\n>you're wrong because i love niggers"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>185\nyes tens of millions of male civilians would find themselves dead in their home territory with means that could be understood by someone living in 1850."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>188\n>hate blacks\nneurotic\nWe just dont want to live around you, why do you feel that is hateful?"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>187\nNo prosecutor in the US would refuse to prosecute something like arson or looting just because the defendant is black. In CA, looting can get you up to five years."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>191\nNo. The biggest source of home-front civilian casualties in WWI was the mass murders in the Ottoman Empire, with about 1.5m deaths after a concerted effort by the government. There's no record of any similar mass murder by Latin American or Arab governments."}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>22\nYou're a perfect example of why our hatred of faggots is justified"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>195\n>My friends and I are not being treated like scum\n>therefore I am the problem\nSounds like projection, buddy."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>193\n>No prosecutor in the US would refuse to prosecute something like arson or looting just because the defendant is black\nWhat if the DA dismissed all charges"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>196\nI don't think you know what \"projection\" means, you're using the term incorrectly"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFUCK WHITE PEOPLE.\n\nY'LL CRACKERS ARE DEAD.\n\nFUCK WHITE PEOPLE. ENJOY THE GREAT REPLACEMENT YOU DUMB CRACKERS.\n\nWE NATIVES ARE TAKING OUR LAND BACK FROM THE CRACKERS AND THE NIGGERS"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>7\nYou retarded niggers aloneside with the crackers stole our land\nYou retards are going back to your lands.\n\n\nSo keep crying like little retard nigger with the cracker"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>197\nUnlikely unless they had a really good reason like lack of evidence."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>11\nLatinos are white, Jerry."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>201\n>Unlikely\nHappens all the time, democrat DAs have been letting felons walk for a long time now to \"combat racism\""}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>199\n>WE NATIVES ARE TAKING OUR LAND BACK FROM THE CRACKERS AND THE NIGGERS\nBeing this delusional, go get ‘em Chief I’m sure it won’t end like the last 100 times"}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>202\nDoes pic rel pass as white in your country?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>205\nI thought you said that latinos banned blacks from their countries, why are you posting a black person? Perhaps you are a clueless retard?"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>206\nThats a latinx person"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>207\n>blacks were banned from Latin America\n>latinos are black\nMake up your mind, retard"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>204\n\nwe literally beaten you in a few battles before too.\n\nYou dumb fuck americans"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>78\nYes, and as I said, you and your young peers tend to think alike. You all grew up on 4chan and Discords where hating blacks is the new normal. But back in the day, people had heard so much racism that they got sick of it. Imagine what your children and grandchildren in 50 years will think of you when all you do is spout racism. They'll get sick of it too. The average White person in 1964 was becoming more curious about blacks culture, including rock and roll, and saw them sympathetically. It was new and refreshing, just like your brand of ethnonationalism is refreshing to you now."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>210\nthe entire world hates niggers, so no, it's only a tiny minority or white marxists who pretend otherwise, and historically, they hated niggers too"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>193\n>No prosecutor in the US would refuse to prosecute something like arson or looting just because the defendant is black. In CA, looting can get you up to five years.\nThere was an entire summer of this happening."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>194\nthe biggest source of civilian men dying was being conscripted and sent to the front.\n>no record of any similar mass murder\nmass murder?\nThey wouldnt allow them to have families, they were a dead people by the time they got to Arabia.\n\n>governments\nlol\nfunny youd call warlords a government, the Mexicans banned blacks from Mexico.\nThe Arabs literally imported them, killed them via labor, which you would call a mass killing as you consider the holocaust a mass killing, and then imported more of them."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>200\nif you have even 1% non-Siberian you are automatically disqualified from being a native, you are at least 3% african, julio."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>212\nWhich summer? Red summer of 1919, which saw hundreds dead from lynchings and mob violence?"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://voca.ro/1kkYw7mBZcN1"}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>214\n>y-you are 3% african julio!!!\n\n\nlmfao. the amount of copium from afrocentrists is funny"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>213\n>military\n>civilian\nAbsolute retard"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>211\nThen why does the vast majority of the American public support the Civil Rights Act? Why hasn't it been repealed? It's been 59 years, surely it would've happened by now?"}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>116\nmann dem yt ppl forcin us take drugs n shiettt"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>34\n>And being a pariah state by still having lynchings\nThe 2020 BLM riots were this, and many people were beaten, shot and killed by the rioters, so it's not like lynchings went away, but rather it's not \"woke\" to call it that anymore."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>219\n99% of americans don't know what the civil rights act actually did"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>63\n>You cannot have this conversation by starting with such a tremendous lie.\nIt's true though. Nobody today has anything to do with the supposed wrongs of the past. Also, it makes no sense to think in collective terms. It's not like \"the whites\" is a single individual, you have to treat each person individually. It's marxist to think of all things only in terms of class warfare, which is what apparently is being done."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>96\n>Also you should have maybe tried not having segregation laws\nYou're insane. I didn't pass those laws, I wasn't even alive at the time."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>96\n>ummm actually\nyeah yeah. Now go up to blacks with a chemistry textbook in South Dallas and tell them how they can learn and better themselves. Oh, and stream it live too. Thanks babe"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>219\n>Then why does the vast majority of the American public support the Civil Rights Act?\nMost people don't know or don't really have an opinion on it, they just know that it's politically correct to support Martin Luther King. Pic rel is the official FBI report on him released publically in 2019 which no media outlet will report about.\n\n>Why hasn't it been repealed?\nThe same reason why we had 49 years of Roe v Wade before it was finally rolled back."}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>221\n>beaten, shot and killed by the rioters\nLol compared to protests and riots it's very tame. Malaysia used to have the hardest anti-chinese riots around"}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>227\nYeah, but when the BLM rioters killed people, those are lynchings, whether you call them that or not."}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>228\n>those are lynchings, whether you call them that or not.\nNo not really anon. It fails the confines of what a lynching is, but OP us talking about freedom of association and this thread has far derailed past that."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>83\n>I am a net taxpayer\nLmao you say that like it's point of pride for you."}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>198\nSounds like projection from a retard who doesn't know what projection is desu\n\nHave you tried killing yourself?"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>211\n>it's only a tiny minority or white marxists who pretend otherwise\n/pol/trannies still haven't given a single reason not to openly state their views in public. Not a single one. I mean everyone agrees with you right? :)"}, {"id": 233, "content": "Is OP's contention that he would eat a bucket of shit for money, but only if the shit came out of a white man's anus?"}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>233\nThe shit eating analogy us so hilariously retarded. Op or someone like Op actually used it before"}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>231\nHave you tried not being a retarded faggot? Of course not, can't help yourself. Go back to where ever you came from outsider. By the way, YWNBAW"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>235\nLol you mental."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would the Civil War still have happened without the Mexican-American War?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes and it probably would have been worse. Either it starts sooner in reaction to abolitionists cycling slavers out of the limited space in the West or the Union allies with Mexico to put down the rebellion and keep them out of Mexican territory."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The civil war was probably inevitable, but less westward expansion would cause it to start sooner."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm actually going to disagree with the previous posters, there was a divide in the slave states between the states where the planter elite had a more idealistic Jeffersonian ideology and the Deep South with it's more explicitly pro-Slavery agenda. I wonder if what would essentially be the victory of free soilers in this timeline might make the Jeffersonians see the writing on the wall and take limited concessions from the North to essentially destroy slave power in Congress forever. With no place in Congress and hopefully no war to rouse support from veterans and war hawks you might get a South with no actual capabilities of rebellion. because of our modern moral beliefs regarding slavery we often forget how effective the strategy of the free soilers might have been had we not been so successful in westward expansion. You might get a Nullification Crisis or Shay's Rebellion tier event at most but without the actual means to revolt nothing will happen just because slavers really want to keep slavery. You might get some attempts at a coup at worst."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMéxico freed the slaves so war was inevitable.\nBurgers can't live without their Black pets around.\nYes Mexican-American War was also about slavery."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe part of this I can't really get behind is this view where any group of slavers would \"see the writing on the wall\" no matter how Jeffersonian they were. Their entire social position and economic power was slavery, they would never have given it up. It's like hoping the Fossil Fuel industry will just one day see the light and back nuclear power, they never will, even as the world burns they sabotage nuclear and ramp up fossil fuel production."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI'm not sure I understand, why would the South lack the means to revolt without the Western territories? Congress would still be Southern dominated."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNot the poster but I think he's referring to how the Mexican American War created a huge cadre of Southern Veterans with military training and combat experience as well as a great expansion of the country's military surplus. Because the Mexican-American War was fought primarily by Southerners and for Southern interests this all formed the core of the Confederacies military capability. Remember part of the reason the Confederate Armies performed so well during the first year or so of the Civil War was because their Officer Corp and even many of their fighting men were made of those aforementioned veterans, while the North had mostly newbies. Had there been no war with Mexico the South would not have had the basis to be so confident, and if they still went to war may have even been crushed very quickly."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nOnly the initial war over Coahuila y Tejas was partially caused by slavers who arrived to the state illegally with their pet niggers."}, {"id": 10, "content": "I feel like the civil war may have been averted because\n1). No compromise of 1850, meaning passion and anger is less inflamed in general and specifically over the fugitive slave law.\n2). The vast territories acquired from Mexico created a large amount of discontent over the slavery question. The expansion of slavery was already settled in pre Mexican-American War America by the Missouri compromise, which without a fuckton of new land opening up should have been a relatively stable, surviving plan for the future. The slave question seemed fairly okay before.\n3). The acquisition of Mexican territory and what to do with it pushed sides towards the extremes and exacerbated sectionalism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ONE SOMETHINGS TO GIVE"}, {"id": 2, "content": "TWO SOMETHINGS GOT TO GIVE"}, {"id": 3, "content": "THREE SOMETHINGS GOT TO GIVE"}, {"id": 4, "content": "NOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Tumblr photos\nFaggot tranny nigger. Go back."}, {"id": 6, "content": "LET THE FILENAMES HIT THE FLOOR"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTranny bro still surprised that people surrender in wars?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What went wrong?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Liberum veto"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo land between Germany and Russia is safe."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiberum Veto for sure but also John Casimir's autism coupled with insecure borders and ethnic tensions. The Deluge began with a revolt by the Cossacks and the constantly side-switching Tatars leading to an agreement where, depending on which side you ask, they agreed to an alliance with the Russians or submitted to the Tsar as their sovereign leading to a Russian invasion of the Commonwealth. The Swedes were ready to make common alliance with the Poles and make war on the Russians together - supporting the weaker power over the stronger one so as to maintain a balance of power favorable to Sweden. However, the Swedes and Poles had a long history of enmity that goes back to the collapse of the Polish-Sweden Union wherein the Polish-Swedish King, a Catholic, was usurped by his Protestant Uncle in Sweden, itself, and struggled to retake his kingdom due to it being a private venture rather than something that concerned the Polish nobles. There were territorial concerns, as well, but that's irrelevant to this tale. As John Casimir, King of Poland, refused to give up his claim to the Swedish crown - a condition of the Swedish alliance that could have led to a long-term better relations between the nations - the Swedes invaded Poland instead of allying with them causing mass destruction, the near cession of Lithuania as a result of the ambition of Protestant Lithuanian nobles, and the loss of Brandenburg as a vassal.\n\nThis began the decline of Polish power as Russian power increased which culminated in the Great Northern War where the two states allied against Sweden. Poland bore the brunt of a successful Swedish invasion and repeated regime changes depending on whether the Russians or Swedes were winning at the time. With Russia eventually defeating the Swedes in this war, Russia emerged as the dominant power with Sweden and Poland both weakened and Russia having taken a greater interest in Polish affairs."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe Polish Kings were on their way to becoming Russian vassals. French attempts to increase their influence in Poland at the expense of Austria and Russia, who were allied for much of the 18th Century, resulted first in the War of Polish Succession where the French concentrated their efforts solely in Italy and the Low Countries while leaving their choice for the Polish crown to get displaced by Russia leading to another regime change with yet another ruler owing his crown to Russia. In addition to being subjected to constant war and the passage of Russian armies during their 18th Century interventions in Europe culminating in the Seven Years' War, the Polish economy would also suffer when Frederick the Fag captured Saxony, whose Elector ruled over Poland since the Great Northern War in a personal union, which possessed a minting press that allowed for the mass production of Polish currency and its subsequent inflation during said war. Poland's hopes at gaining territorially compensation from Prussia, in the form of East Prussia, during this war in exchange for trading Courland to Russia disappeared when the Tsarina died and Peter III came to power - a man who cared more about his tiny German duchy than the Russian Empire and was such a fanboy of Freddy that he switched sides when the Austro-Russian-French Alliance was on the cusp of victory over Prussia. When his regicidal whore of a wife, Catherine the Great, displaced him as ruler of Russia, she maintained the new Prussian-Russian Alliance. She also placed her old lover as the Polish King showing the influence Russia now had over Poland. France once again tried to gain influence in Poland leading to the Bar Confederation breaking out in revolt leading to Russian reprisals coupled with Russia being displeased when Catherine's choice actually tried to better the constitutional situation of the Polish state."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\na large multi ethnic multi national empire with competing ambitious men who can vote in a king, and it borders ambitious kingdoms and empires. no recipe for disaster there"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAt the same time, Austria was now becoming concerned at the growth of Russian power and so Freddy proposed portioning Poland in order to restore the balance of power, on paper, but also to unite his scattered territories. While Austria would have preferred a stable buffer state between them and Russia, the alternative to seizing Polish territory would be the further growth of Russian and Prussian power at their expense. This would be the first partition of Poland with the second and third occurring after Russia backed confederation rebelled against the Polish crown with said confederation being created in response to her assumed vassal king's attempts at strengthening the state once again and the formation of a Polish-Prussian alliance which Prussia promptly betrayed. The victory of this confederation led to the second partition of Poland and when an uprising later occurred against Russian influence, the Russians again directly intervened to put it down - ironically with the help of Prussia - which thereafter led to the third and final partition of Poland. Krakow was left a Free City for a time but when an uprising occurred there, it was annexed by Austria - one of the partitioning partners.\n\nPoland seemed posed to be restored during the Napoleonic Wars with the formation of the Duchy of Warsaw but was annexed as an autonomous state in personal union with Russia thereafter with Alexander I being something of a Polackphile(?). His successor were not so enamored with the Poles and would not be beholden to its constitution. When the Poles later rebelled again in 1830, the Russians crushed them once again and stamped out what was now the illusion of being an autonomous province once and for all before World War I turned Eastern Europe into a bloodbath which newly emerged states eagerly joined in the aftermath of said war and in the midst of the Russian Civil War."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are suicidal"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIronically, we saw what happened when the Ottomans, of all people given their former status as an enemy of Poland, made the opposite of Austria's choice and objected to the dissolution of Poland desiring a buffer state. This led to the first of the modern Russo-Turkic Wars in the late 18th Century which led to the expansion of Russian power across the Black Sea and the beginning of Russia's lust for Constantinople birthed through Catherine the Great's Greek project. This further increase of Russian power certainly justified Austria's wish to maintain the balance of power as best as it could through taking part in the annexation of Polish territory."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nVery well said, thank you anon. Do you recommend any books on this period of PLC history?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWell, there's Adam Zamoyski's \"The Last King of Poland\" which is effectively a biography of that aforementioned former lover of Catherine."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Also, to speak of France's interest in Poland it's worth noting that first off, the claimant the French supported during the War of Polish Succession was the French King's Father-in-Law.\n\nThere's a historic precedent, as well, for French interest in Poland. France attempted to craft an \"eastern bloc\" of sorts against the Habsburgs consisting of Sweden, the Ottoman Empire, and Poland-Lithuania even though both of the former states waged war against Poland time and time again. There was a time when the brother of the French King was elected King of Poland with French influence, with the Polish nobles believing increased French influence would better their relations with the Turks. That French King, though, promptly fled the country when his brother died and took up the position of King of France leading to a constitutional crisis. France also desperately tried to prevent the formation of the Austro-Polish Alliance that thwarted the Ottomans at the Battle of Vienna.\n\nTheir attempts to place a French-friendly King on the Polish Throne during the War of Succession, even if it appears that was just a casus belli to wage an Italian War but that likely comes down to the French King at the time being a fickle moron rather than Machiavellian schemer, ties into their wish to have a solid Eastern ally against Austria and their Russian ally in the form of Poland."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nParliament\nWhen the king of sweden Charles IX invaded Polish Livonia parliament refused to do anything to help Sigismund against his badly organised army, just as an example"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">just learned about the Bodo League massacre\n\nLook, it's easy to prove that capitalist regimes are better than communist ones (Both Koreas being the low hanging fruit), but how could you prove that during the cold war?\nIs not that every country that was in a civil war and got rid of communism immediately became a democracy: If something, a lot of them became bloody dictatorships.\n\n>InB4 \"No one ever proved anything nor cared to do it, that's why it was a propaganda war\"\nStill, it feels so weird for me that \"it was just by luck\" that the system we supported was the one to eventually stop being a dictatorship."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but how could you prove that during the cold war?\nyou couldn’t. That’s why America lost in vietnam. South Korea and Taiwan back in the 60s and 70s were nasty autocracies where combat troops used live ammunition on rioters and police chiefs shot their countries’ heads of state in the face across the dinner table. If South Korea/Taiwan were the stable, prosperous democracies that they are today back when Vietnam was happening the US could have done their cause wonders by pointing to them and saying “that’s what we’re trying to make out of South Vietnam.” But alas, at that time they were shitholes that nobody really thought were worth Americans dying over."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hardly anyone ever talks about this recent genocide that took place on the European continent. Why is that? Could it have been prevented? Were the Dutch partly guilty because they did not intervene?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there truly a humane way to “put down” something?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf by \"put down\" you mean euthanasia, then no.\nIf by \"put down\", you mean insult, then no.\nIf by \"put down\", you mean drop, then yes.\n\nIn any case, if you must \"put down\" something, do it in the gentlest way you can with the least pain."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Bullet to the dome seems like the least suffering."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The purpose is for the sake of the humane but the process is murder. Bitch of a world, eh? Like a daily kick in the dick."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nFpbp\n>>3\nSpbp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfor me its the humble brick"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nold yeller style"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, violence is inherently, er, violent. There is no \"humane\" way of killing, as the end result is still death. The \"humane\" aspect is a vain and masturbatory ideal aimed only at making the killer less queasy and more able to sepate themselves from the act of killing."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheres alot of debate. Personally I'd wanna go firing squad, not the shitty ass sad room where you wait 15 minutes for poison to kick in. I'ma stand tall and proud as I get shot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>muh pain argument\natheism brainrot"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIf you must kill something, it is better to do so with minimal pain. To cause unnecessary pain would be less humane."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>silly atheists, it is obviously better to cause the maximum amount of pain when putting something down!\nGoofy-ass cult."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhy is pain bad?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWhy are you a nihilist?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are some states that humans can occupy that are worse than death.\n\nWhy let them persist if they've made their wishes clear beforehand?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">German Jewish organization during the Weimar Republic and the early years of Nazi Germany that eventually came out in support of Adolf Hitler.\nWhat was their end game?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey just wanted to assimilate fully into Germany and have their Jewishness be forgotten."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The jew god created the universe 30 billion years ago because he wanted to offer a species of primate tickets to a jew kingdom in the sky when they're dead."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*13-14 billion years ago\n\nKnow your shit, fedora tipper."}, {"id": 3, "content": "6,000 years ago"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot just any primates, not just any apes, but his most specialest of special apes in all the universe. Chimpanzees, gorillas, gibbons, bobobos and ourangutans can have no souls and can get fucked. Australopithecus and other predecessors can also get fucked.\n\nOnly his Homo Sapiens Sapiens are the most specialest of all the things in creation."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLol.\nEquating humans and primates is like saying cars and motorbikes are the same thing because they both have engines\nDumbest analogy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunironically if there is ever a day were ayys are not only found but communication is established to the point an exchange can happen somewhat regularly its probably over for the vast majority of established religions in the modern day, they simply just don't have any real way to deal with the fact their are now other intelligent species meaning even more uncomftorable questions have to be asked like did god made them with souls, how come our prophets didn't visit them, can the morals god ordered for men apply to ayys, etc, and when more questions like this need to be asked the more likely even the most devoted will question if their religion really is correct"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nAt what point did they start getting tickets to a jew kingdom? Did neanderthals get sky jew tickets?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven as early as St. Paul one gets the notion that salvation is cosmic in dimension. So maybe the entire universe will partake in it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>species of primate\nThe field of taxonomy was created by the devil to dissuade you from the truth (be communist)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI don’t see how this is a problem for Catholicism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you’re watching a kino your pal Dirk\n>its a really mushy love scene\n>”fast forward this gay shit, Dirk” You say.\n>”U-uh actually I kind of l-like these parts” he says\n>”Lol you like these parts, what are you a pussy?”\n>”No, but just look at the tenderness, look at the way they embrace each other. I so badly want that in my life. Can’t you understand anon?”\n>You’re in disbelief. You’ve never seen this side of Dirk before.\n>Dirk’s hands aren’t moving from off his lap, its like he’s trying to hide something.\n>”O-oh wow, look at that passion” he says under his breath. “Bodies in motion, wow”\n>He turns to you slowly, and grabs your hand.\n>you’re in utter disbelief\n>His flustered appearance changes in an instant to one of excitement and joy\n>”The bedroom anon. What do you say?” he says, flashing a Reformed smirk.\nWhat do?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "oh yeah keep it coming"}, {"id": 3, "content": "stop this, Dirk is not gay"}, {"id": 4, "content": "PLEASE CONTINUE THE STORY!!!!!!!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nSorry, this is a blue board. I’m sure your imaginations are kinkier than anything I’d be able to think up."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I hate Christcucks but unironically kys."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDiamonds"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>I hate Christcucks\nYour misguided hatred will turn you into the devil’s fleshlight after the party’s over."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nTwo more weeks"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Two more weeks"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI accept your concession."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the purest, most unsullied, untarnished, most direct translation of the Bible? I want to do a comprehensive start to finish study, but I only want the word in it’s purest form."}, {"id": 2, "content": "You're describing an interlinear but that'll actually put you further from the intent of the biblical authors since it's less intelligible\nReally all of the mainstream English versions are just fine and you're going to have to familiarize yourself with the major differences anyway, so you'll always see both sides.\n\nI'd recommend the ESV as a more formal, less readable option and the CSB as a more readable option. These are also major translations with a lot of new print editions making it easy and cheap to find one"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nFUCK YEAH SAY IT DIRK. YEEEEEAAAAAH SING IT SING IT SING IT WHOOOOOOOO"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDIRK HAS GRACED US WITH HIS PRESENCE!!!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDirk was right but I would add the LSB because it's very literal and uniquely it actually translates the divine name in the Old Testament."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunless you want to learn greek and aramaic, it would be KJV, it doesn't make much difference as KJV is a direct word for word translation, but if you are a serious lifetime scholar then it is probably worth the time, if not, KJV"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWatch mark ward on youtube"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDIRK I LOVE YOU. I AM YOUR PERFECT MISTRESS, YOUR SLAVE."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nRepent fag"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI AM A BIO GIRL. YOUR BIO GIRL. TELL ME YOU LOVE ME AND I’L LEAVE YOU ALONE."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nKJV would filter me even harder than the modern translations already do."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nDirk, you are a genius. A delicate rose of brilliance growing out of this cesspool of filth. You deserve so much more."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">You’re sitting in your boring wagie job watching the clock\n>Suddenly a text message appears on your phone. “From Dirk”\n>You’ve always liked Dirk. He’s such a nice guy, and so smart. He can fascinate you for hours with his deep knowledge of Reformed theology.\n>”Dinner tonight ar my place?” the text reads\n>”Huh, that’s pretty nice of him to invite me over, I wonder if I can make it” you think to yourself\n>Later on its evening time, soft summer air.\n>You arrive at his place, knock at the door.\n>Its Dirk, as expected\n>”Hey, nice to see you anon. Come on in. Dinner is ready right now.”\n>He’s wearing a heavy coat. That’s odd, you think to yourself.\n>Dirk shuts the door and closes the blinds.\n>”Anon, I need to admit something. I don’t actually have any food ready. I lied. Still, there is a treat I’d like to give you. Tonight, I want you to feast on me.”\n>The coat drops to the floor\n>You can’t believe your eyes, Dirk has completely bared himself before you.\n>Your mind is racing. Its like a dream. This can’t really be happening\nWhat do?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nReally consider the CSB. In its readability it does not compromise much at all in formal equivalence / \"literalness\" when compared to the formal translations like NASB and ESV. It's a case of diminishing returns.\nI just mean to say that you shouldn't feel like you're choosing a simpler bible that will convey less meaning with the CSB."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSo true. So amazing."}, {"id": 16, "content": "DIRK FOR PRESIDENT"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAMEN"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\n>>16\nThey’re right you know"}, {"id": 19, "content": "It’s a Dirk world, you’re just living in it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\nBased Dirk"}, {"id": 21, "content": "dirk sign my post please"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor centuries, the Latin Vulgate was the official text of the western Church, and the Douay-Rheims is a very word-for-word translation of the Vulgate (in many cases the *only* translation that is based on the Latin version). Most other translations will be based on the current Hebrew and Greek text. The most literal would be, as Dirk kindly pointed out, an interlinear bible with the original next to the translation (such as is available to be read online through websites like biblehub.com). I recommend that you choose a Catholic bible so as to not be missing out on the 7 Deuterocanonical books (usually called the Apocrypha in Protestant translations). RSV-2CE is also a very good bible translation, and is preferred for it's beautiful style. If you wanted to listen to Fr. Mike's Bible in a Year podcast, this would be the same bible used there. I don't recommend KJV (King James), because better translations have since been published such as the ESV and RSV.\n\nThe NABRE (New American Bible - Revised Edition) is also a very good translation, and it is most similar in style to that read during a Mass from the Lectionary. It is more toward the middle ground of word-for-word vs thought-for-thought. NIV would also be in this area.\n\nIf you are a beginner in biblical study, or you simply want to read in a simpler to understand form of English, the more thought-for-thought bibles are probably more suited to that purpose. GNT (Good News Translation) is my preferred translation for that, but NLT (New Living Translation) is also fine.\n\nUltimately I would have to recommend more than simply one translation, since each translation has its own advantages and disadvantages. Personally, I would prefer having one on each extreme, a literal and a paraphrase. You can follow the literal and refer to the paraphrase if you can't make sense of the literal text. It also helps to have a commentary, such as are available in the Douay-Rheims, New Catholic Bible, or NABRE."}, {"id": 23, "content": "I want Dirk to bust a massive nut inside my asshole while he chastises me for being gay."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.\nDo you agree?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine having pride in shooting up meth in your trailer park while listening to shitty megacorp-manufactured \"music\" and believing in young earth creationism and having the same literacy and child mortality rates of some shithole in Africa. Fuck the south."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">boo hoo the norf defeated muh slave republic that lasted 4 years"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI find this is more descriptive of the midwest or appalachia than the south"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShut the fuck up Iroh, Lu Ten hates you for not finishing Ba Sing Se"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomething like that. The neo-Confederate identity basically became a way for Southern whites to distinguish themselves from the blacks literally right next door to them while also distinguishing themselves from the more successful whites in cities in other parts of the country.\n\nIt's a bit like Australians playing up being part of the West unlike the Asians next door to them, while also being an afterthought and not the center of anything."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree. It is impossible to fall if you are already on your knees in prayer."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nJesse, pull up \"map of African American distribution in the United States\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this German propaganda historically accurate?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Looks about right"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like can you find a flaw?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat does RCS stand for, Republic of Czechoslovakia?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSo it's a french and a Czech guy?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nReaction control system."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me everything you know about the Emirate of Sicily."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey made Sicily rich. Shame they couldnt defend it and allowed others to benefit. Imagine if the Papacy got control over Sicily instead of the Normans"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://youtu.be/Jsh4SvPdfl8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think about it a lot actually."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Emirate of Sicily\nAlso the mafia comes from them"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nthe Papacy sort-of did, through the Normans. The Normans gobbled Cathocock like they were little kids in Cardinal McCarrick's house"}, {"id": 7, "content": "this girl italian but tells people she's arab and wears arab clothes and they believe her\n\n>>3\nmutt's law"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>the Papacy sort-of did, through the Normans\nlmao. The very same Normans that constantly attacked them?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIf it's a good racket that's kinda based"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nChurch niggas had it coming."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nsi"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>The Normans gobbled Cathocock like they were little kids in Cardinal McCarrick's house\nKek"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nHow can you say that when Normans btfo Pope's coalition army and took him hostage kek, and their numerous raids on Rome"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nNormans made sicily rich, from pirate island due to a connected kingdom well entrenched in trade and take advantage of dividends from Crusades\n>Imagine if the Papacy got control over Sicily instead of the Normans\nSo the attempted Papal trick to turn Sicily into a Papal island-commune? Nearly happened with Sicilian Vespers, but instead they adopted the Aragonese as their new rulers"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSicily became wealthy during the arab period. Your Norman fanboying isnt really a factor here"}, {"id": 16, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFTI_SBdimo&pp=ygUZZW1pcmF0ZSBvZiBzaWNpbHkgbmFzaGVlZA%3D%3D [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why people die for this land? What is special for this desert?\n\n>No natural resources\n>No estrategic land\n>Just sand and bones\n\nI dont understand..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor Europeans it was mostly poorfags looking for prospects and religious crazies. It seems religious crazies are the main culprits in this case."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngawd and jeezus"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat map has me going down bad bruh, fr"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuch of it isn't a desert, that's why it's valuable."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey only wanted the dark red part"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Phoenician merchant princes, deiced to lionize the fuck out of their back water vassal state.\n\nThen bureaucrats and traders spread their ideology internationally as a joke and to shit on normal religions.\n\nAnd the rest is history."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">For Europeans it was mostly poorfags looking for prospects and religious crazies. It seems religious crazies are the main culprits in this case."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\natheists have been awfully silent ever since this post dropped"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">sacrifices more than 150,000 people to a pantheon of horrifying demons every single year\n>sacrifices include disembowelment of the organs from living victims\n>flaying people alive and dancing around in their skins\n>ritual amputation of everything from fingers to genitals to limbs\n>drowning and torturing children often to ensure a good harvest\n>every morning citizens are compelled to commit self harm and bleed themselves\n>tyrannical empire imposing strict taxes of human life on every single tribe they come into contact with\n\nWhy do we act like the Spanish did anything but a giant favor to the entire world in taking these people out?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Spanish were just as barbaric"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>sacrifices more than 150,000 people to a pantheon of horrifying demons every single year\nYeah I'm gonna need a source for that one buddy. Especially when there are people on this website who claim Germans couldn't do it with 40s technology."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSorry I lied it’s actually almost double that"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAztecs were savages but what about Inca? Did they deserve it?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The population of Tenochitlan was like 300,000 and the population of the Aztec empire was around 1.5 million, those figures you give are impossible."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Spanish were too good to them. They bred the women so now the continent is full of mongrels carrying those primitive savage genes. Mix in a little nigger from their slaves and it's a total genetic shitshow."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThe Inca actually practiced pretty much exclusively child sacrifice called Qhapaq Hucha, not nearly as many as the Aztecs but still not a great look"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThat’s also wrong, and I can assure most of the people they sacrificed were not citizens of Tenochtitlan. They had these wars called flower wars they would conduct whenever they needed more sacrifices, happened at least a few times a year."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>250k a year\n>in a preindustrial neolithic society\n>with primitive floating bean and corn gardens to sustain them\ni believe you"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nIncas were noble and civilized.\n>>8\nIt was like 2 kids every 50 years or something. I guarantee you all the other contemporary civilizations did way worse shit"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\ndon’t believe me man read the fact sheets\n\n>https://www.nytimes.com/1977/02/19/archives/aztec-sacrifices-laid-to-hunger-not-just-religion.html#:~:text=by%20the%20Aztecs.-,Dr.,region's%20population%20of%2025%20million.\n>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture\n>https://www.science.org/content/article/feeding-gods-hundreds-skulls-reveal-massive-scale-human-sacrifice-aztec-capital"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nDifferent sources give different estimates but even if you take the highest ones you are saying that they would be sacrificing their entire population every 20 years."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nit was more than that but I get what you mean"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do we act like the Spanish did anything but a giant favor to the entire world...?\nJuden."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do we act like the Spanish did anything but a giant favor to the entire world in taking these people out?\nWho does? Seems like they get a pass on most of their colonial shit because of it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nSpaniards were perfectly fine with converts and moriscos. Lots of them were sephardi Jews."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\n>>17\nkeep seething"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNot an argument"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\nYour first source is from 1977 and tries to argue that the Aztecs committed cannibalism because they didn't have enough food.\nYour second one is just a Wikipedia article (mobile version) which will tell you about different estimates for human sacrifice.\nYour third one is an article about a temple where a few hundred skulls were found and contains no estimates about the yearly rate of sacrifices."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nthanks for building some neat stuff for German tourists I guess"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nthe third one even gives you a picture of the giant skull wall with an equation you can use to extrapolate."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Aztec warrior resigns himself to an honorable death as a sacrifice to Tlāloc for his city and people\n>Nip does the same shit for the honor of his clan and with his beleif in Amida Buddha\n>One is le honorable Nippon hero the other is a barbarian\nI'm Muslim so I think both are equally barbaric but where do you draw the line here?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nit’s both barbaric, one of them just at the guy and mounted his head on a wall after they did the deed"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Aztecs were a house of cards that would have been toppled anyway by a different native polity who unlike the Spanish would not have to genocide and enslave two continents to do it."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLoaded statements anon. considering you leave out a lot of the major specifics and make a lot of assumptions."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI think I was pretty specific about what they did"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\nthe inca was the (title of the) ruler. there is or was no such thing as the inca people. the empire of the incas was the empire of the quechua indians."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>17\nIt was the Church that built the university complex that advanced civilization to modernity, not moors nor islam. Stop pretending they were more advanced. Also the no bathing mythology is just nonsense."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the Aztecs were never conquered, would they continue sacrificing people in those quantities and in those ways? What would the UN say about it?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ur religion wrong my religion right\nYawn"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>22\nWhy would the assumption be that those are skulls from yearly sacrifices? Were they throwing out the old ones? That looks more like something from the Catacombs to me. Not saying they never sacrificed anyone, but the estimates you're putting out are totally insane and unrealistic."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nThe world would be radically different; the UN would not exist, at least not in a recognizable form."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nThat’s just the biggest tzompantli found in Tenochtitlan, there would have been a lot of these in Mesoamerica as it was a common practice among Indians there to build them for almost a thousand years. If you want to extrapolate just that picture, there are at least a few hundred thousand on the racks and in the masonry. I’m not pulling these numbers out of my ass I already showed you what people who study this for a living had to say"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYou didn't read what I said, clearly. I'm saying, that even the BIGGEST of them, just looks like any other kind of skull collections you see elsewhere, just larger. So like I said, unless they're throwing out the old skulls and putting on new ones every year, there simply have not been enough of these found such that every single skull from each sacrifice is being put there. I'm not even sure if the population of Mexico would've even supported the scale of sacrifice that you're implying.\nBesides, if there's only a few hundred thousand here(which doesn't seem right, if this is the Hueyi, then there couldn't have been more than about 60k skulls altogether), and it was the ludicrous number of 300k EVERY YEAR for nearly a thousand years, and this is the biggest one yet found, then where exactly are all the other skulls? Did the Aztecs eat them?\nI simply don't believe your numbers are coming from accurate sources. I'd love to hear how the Mexica depopulated their whole empire's worth of victims hundreds of times over though."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n200 thousand a year, and actually yeah they would’ve been replacing the free hanging skulls as they would break at some point. Aztecs ruled for 200 years, there’s already writings from the Aztecs themselves that say they sacrificed over 80k people in 4 days at the re-consecration of the grand temple, they have a calendar describing how to sacrifice to which gods, it’s pretty obvious the numbers aren’t that egregious. 200 thousand people a year is 1% of the 25 million people who lived in the region."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Thank for everyone contributing to Aztec Day!"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nIt's not sinko de mayonaise yet tho"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nIt's more like 20-60,000 if you include all the sacrifices going on across the empire and its subject states. This number could possibly be doubled by the sacrifices at Tenochtitlan. The 1% number is possible if the Aztec population was around five or six million. This isn't actually very different from other Native American societies in which a 0.5-1% annual war fatality rate (most sacrifices were war captives, but there were also slaves and children) was normal, but it is vastly different from other urbanized, state-level societies."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>15\n>conveniently forgets the part where the christians enslaved the locals and worked them to death in silver mines\n;)"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>17\n>Witchburnings are bad but mass Barbary slave trading isnt\n>Muh bathing as if sanitation didnt exist since Ancient Greece\n>Get conquered by Spaniards and seethe about it for eternity to this day, cope by saying you totally culturally enriched them as if the Romans didnt culturally enrich you for centuries\nShoot yourself"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nLiterally all the Spaniards did was take over the old Priest class's slave plantations you retard. They didnt steal anything, the slaves were already slaves"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>the christians engaged in the very same behaviours they were supposed to eradicate\nSelf own"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>14\nprobably, but that article is about a pre inca sacrifice of the chimu people"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nCope. You got conquered\n>>42\nNormal successful European empires:\n>we made this land better than it was when we found it, that justifies our rule over these people\nStinky Moorberian shitskin rapebabies:\n>we never developed this shithole but that's fine because it was shit when we arrived, which justifies our rule over these people"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou need only look to the animalistic nature of a modern Mexican gang member and his barbaric ways to realise what kind of plight on the world these people would be had it not been for the noble spanish boot that put itself on the throat of these vile beasts,and trough that act alone spared the world from these feral animals for at least 500 years"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>2\nSure about that?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nGod Bless Hernan Cortez and Pedro de Alverado for bring the wrath of God down upon the demon worshipers of meso-america."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>4\n>250k gorillion people a year\nyeah I seriously doubt it\n>>10\nRealistically, human sacrifice works because they use it to purge the mentally ill, the infirm, the elderly, criminals, and so on. I do think it was probably beneficial to their harvests.\nHowever, it is also for that reason that I find anything above ~25k a year, at the most, ludicrous. There are a lot of disposable people in human societies, but not that many - not every year.\nI also find the idea of imposing a \"blood tax\" on your neighbors to be absolutely laughable. Of course there is some small benefit to reducing their population, but it is better to simply take a literal tax from them. Taking a monetary tax would also weaken your neighbor and strengthen you without radicalizing them.\nOr better yet, simply do as the Incans did and have their men give their labor to you as taxation. You weaken them and strengthen you, while actually fostering mutually friendly relations and doing something actively productive."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>unknown\nBro even the other Natives hated the Aztecs and sided with literal foreign conquerors at the first opportunity.\nBut what you neglect is that this isn't some random cultural quirk or flaw in their psychology. Human sacrifice probably was beneficial for humanity at this stage in our technological development as a way to get rid of unproductive citizens. In truth, your ancestors probably also practiced it at some point in their history. It is just so ancient that it predates even bronze tools, which are our earliest records."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\n>makes a moral argument in favor of his side\n>disregards the argument entirely when his bullshit is split by the slightest wedge of nuisance\nClassic"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApologists of the Spanish Empire will tell you at length about how fake the Black Legend is and then uncritically say shit like this"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nThe Aztecs did both, they imposed blood tax, material tax, food tax, they really just pissed everyone they came into contact off so much Cortes was able to find allies and information really easily"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey kinda had to get rid of people being the largest stone age empire and all population wise"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"ancestral gods are demonic bros\" cries the Christcuck who literally kowtows to a foreign deity that demands you slay your own children to prove your love for them\nThe many Aztec gods were pretty chill when they weren't demanding blood."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>47\nYeah.\n\nRapists. Murderers. Papists. Slavers. Spanish."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nyeah tell ‘em brother we totally get a bad wrap, by the way do you have any kids"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey sacrificed their enemies and the retarded. they are not that much worse than the mongols and even the romans aren't that much more humane"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nNo but I have fifty enemy warriors captured upon the field of battle\n\nLet us carve their hearts out while the Spainish let their priests rape children with utter impunity"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly a retard would believe 150,000. Cortes says 4000.\n\nThey sacrificed prisoners of war from states they were fighting wars against, they didn't get them from \"taxes\" of states they already conquered. Tribute from them came in the form of resources, like how any empire functioned.\n\nwhy do people believe int he cartoonishly evil version of the aztecs from 1500s spanish propaganda?\n\n>>50\n>>53\nthey hated the aztecs as anyone would hate a neighboring hostile empire. The tlaxcalans had already fought a couple wars against them. It wasn't because of human sacrifice - all their neighbors sacrificed too. And they didn't just accept the spanish as rulers after the aztecs were defeated - the tlaxcalans were the allies of the spanish and enjoyed independence for many years - eventually because of disease they became essentially irrelevant and were just absorbed by the spanish"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>150,000 a year\nTouch grass"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nyeah it was even more than that"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>every morning citizens are compelled to commit self harm and bleed themselves\nI already do this every day. What's the big deal?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nI bleed out extra blood through my poop chute."}, {"id": 65, "content": "adassad"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>36\nPlease, tell me, what's 1 times 200?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n37"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n*less than 1%"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>12\n>>20\n>>22\n>>32\n>>35\n>>36\n>>unknown\n>>49\n>>61\nA lot of this is straight up wrong.\n\n>sacrifices more than 150,000... actually almost double that\n\nThere weren't even 20,000 sacrifices in Tenochtitlan a year, let alone 250,000.\n\nThe 250k figure you get from Borah was just him lazily multiplying earlier estimates to scale with higher population numbers he was proposing, see pic. It's extremely poor methodology. This is also for CENTRAL MEXICO as a whole, not just Tenochtitlan, and their proposed 25m pop. figure for Central Mexico is also too high (I think?): That'd make Mesoamerica have like 35m+ people.\n\nTenochtitlan sacrificed a few hundred to a few thousand people a year: The Great Skull rack excavations (which >>22 shows) show the rack held ~12,000 skulls with a few other thousand in adjacent towers, and this was across likely years of deposits, maybe decades. Even if you assume that the rack was filled in as quickly as like 5 years, and it only contained 33% of the city's sacrifices, that would still only be 7k sacrifices a year, and even this is highballing things\n\nOther cities would have done far less, which brings us too...\n\n>tyrannical empire imposing strict taxes of human life on every single tribe\n\nAztec subject states (and these were city-states, kingdoms, etc, not \"Tribes\": cities, writing, etc was a thing in mesoamerica even 1000s of years before the Aztec) generally kept their rulers, laws, and customs with fairly minimal direct administration from Tenochtitlan as long as taxes were paid: The Aztec Empire was actually so hands off that subjects could go to war with each other and the Mexica of Tenochtitlan didn't care as long as taxes weren't disrupted.\n\nTo respond to, >>50 and >>53, see pastebin.com/VqW97h93 for how Cortes got allies because the hands off system encouraged opportunistic coups, not because the Mexica were particularly hated\n\n1/?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>>3\n>>4\n>>12\n>>20\n>>22\n>>36\n>>unknown\n>>49\n>>61\n>>69\n>>69\n>>50\n>>53\ncont:\n\nSlaves were also gennerally NOT taxes: The Codex Mendoza mentions ZERO slaves as taxes, and it's pretty uncommon in the Paso y Troncoso etc too: It wasn't most, let alone every city paying slaves as taxes: most taxes were economic goods. Sacrifices \"quotas\" also didn't exist, The only example of sacrifices as taxes was that cities in one province had to supply the Mexica with captured soldiers to sacrifice collected from an enemy state the Mexica were at war with (Tlaxcala): It wasn't the subject supplying it's own people.\n\n>ritual amputation\n\nHeart extraction, skin flaying, and torture of children's were real parts of various sacrifice ceremonies, but ritual amputation isn't something I've heard much of. Not saying it didn't happen, but it wasn't as common as the others. Keep in mind also that children weren't frequent victims: only 5% of the skulls in the Great Skull rack excavations are from kids... but yes, part of the process for sacrifices to Tlaloc (who were usually kids or disabled people) was that it was drawn out and painful, wheras in other ceremonies the victim was generally drugged beforehand.\n\n>>42\nMesoamerica didn't have slave plantations, nor did the way it handled land ownership resemble how the encomienda system worked. At most you had some elite residences that had on-site serfs but that wasn't how most commoners lived nor was that even what most slaves were doing. Research at sites like Yautepec and Cuexcomate also shows more disruption to existing life when they were taken over by the Spanish vs when the Aztec conquered them.\n\nMind you, i'm not saying that makes the Spanish \"worse\", I really don't give a shit about that and I think it's subjective and therefore pointless to argue about, but your assertion here just isn't correct.\n\n2/?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\ncont:\n\n>>32\n>>35\nWere they throwing out the old ones? That looks more like something from the Catacombs to me.\n\nAs I said, the OP's numbers are wrong, but no the Tzompantli wasn't just an ossuary of natural deaths, that's coping I see some activists do, but the rack findings show the remains weren't disproportionately sick or malnourished, etc, consistent that victims in good health were chosen in line with conditions like pic related.\n\nRe: skull disposing, keep in mind some skulls would have been repurposed into ceremonial masks rather then placed onto the rack, and depending on the sacrifice they may have been buried or cremated. That's why in the tl;dr math I gave above, I'm assuming the rack only represents a % of the total # of sacrifices Tenochtitlan gave (also since the city had other racks). Duran states that, when the skulls on the rack decayed enough to fall off/apart, they were placed into the adjacent towers, though most of the photos i've seen of the tower exavations show pretty intact skulls, so IDK.\n\nThe rack also would have been entirely cleared/burned to ash from time to time: Duran states this happened in 1486 when the Great Temple was reconsecreated for Ahuizotl's coronation ceremony, which is where the \"80,000 people sacrificed in 4 days\" claim comes from, for this event: Based on the dating mentioned in media reports, the rack being excavated is likely the very one made during that ceremony, though we don't know that for sure and some stuff still doesn't quite add up for that.\n\n>>39\nI responded to this image in another thread here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14865352/#14887000\n\nTL;DR, 20k sacrifices per year for the \"whole empire\" is a reasonable figure, I think, but a lot of the math used to get there is pretty flawed and it also doesn't make much categorical sense to total up \"whole empire\" sacrifices since as I said, each city was mostly doing it's own thing and were effectively independent states.\n\n3/?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\ncont:\n\n>>34\nNo, the rack held ~12,000 skulls, not hundreds of thousands.\n\nFirstly, this article https://eleconomista.com.mx/arteseideas/Gran-Tzompantli-de-Tenochtitlan-una-leccion-ideologica-20181114-0143.html says the rack held around 11,700 skulls. You can also double check this figure by taking the dimensions of the rack (35m long, 12 wide, 5 high) and plugging that into skull-per-cubic-meter values from this earlier research paper which calculated that for different potential rack sizes: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229761556, and that comes out to 11,666 skulls\n\nMind you, that paper does note that as rack height increases past 30m, density goes down as the rack requires thicker poles, and the calculation I describe doesn't account for the density varying as the height changes (but it shouldn't make a big difference, since density figure was taken from the 15m height row, which is under 30m). Also, again, not all the city's sacrifices would have gone into the rack, and while we know the rough date range, we don't know how many years it took the rack to fill\n\nBut I already explained above how even if you high ball those variables, you get like 7000 sacrifices a year. And if you think the rack took Ahuizotl's whole reign to fill, and had half the city's annual sacririces, then it's more like 1500 sacrifices a year, etc\n\n>>9\nFlower Wars are misunderstood: When waged against subjects, they were usually mutually agreed on to cement political marriages or alliances, etc. That said, some sources say this was hidden from the general populace so they didn't realize their lives were being spent on pageantry\n\nWhen used against enemy states, they COULD be used to \"farm\" sacrifices ( Moctezuma II told Cortes they left Tlaxcala around for this), but they had pragmatic uses too: they were a way for states to test the waters with less lethal warfare, which could then escalate into full conflict or die back down (like the one vs Chalco)\n\n4/?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>As I said, the OP's numbers are wrong, but no the Tzompantli wasn't just an ossuary of natural deaths, that's coping I see some activists do, but the rack findings show the remains weren't disproportionately sick or malnourished, etc, consistent that victims in good health were chosen in line with conditions like pic related.\nWhat I meant wasn't that they were burial sites like the Catacombs, but rather that they were just collections built up over a very long time of sacrificing, not from simply a single year of a gorillion sacrifices."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>>9\ncont:\n\nThe Mexica also liked using them (though they really weren't that common aside from against Tlaxcala, Huextozinco etc) as a tool to weaken enemy states before launching full out conquest: they'd conquer the areas around the state to box them in, then force flower wars on them (how they \"forced\" it, I'm not sure) and since flower wars could be waged year round due to their smaller scale unlike normal wars and since the Aztec almost invariably had the larger armies to call from, the target was more worn down then they were. They also allowed soldiers get trained (though public schools did too) and stay fit, as a way to keep soldiers invested in military careers, providing chances to gain captives to rise through the ranks/gain status (commoners could gain honorary noble title and then fine clothing, jewelry, etc, or land grants).\n\nSome researchers think the entire concept of Flower Wars were just the Mexica trying to come up with excuses for why they couldn't conquer Tlaxcala. I'm not sure i'd go that far (since Flower Wars do come up vs Chalco and some other states too, AFAIK) but it goes to show how much they're more then what they seem\n\n>>10\nThe numbers are wrong but calling the Aztec \"neolithic\" is stupid.\n\nMesoamerica has a neolithic period: It's the Archaic period, which is after the Lithic/Paleoindian when humans first arrived in the area: In the Archaic, you see the development of (relatively) complex stone tools, ceramics, agriculture, etc. After the Archaic, around 2000BC or sometimes 1400BC depending on how you define it, is the transition from Prehistoric to Historical periods, with the Preclassic or Formative period having the development of writing, cities, numeral and calendrer systems, bureaucratic governments etc. The Classic period around 100AD is when those things had become widespread, and then the Postclassic around 900AD is more a division marked by political/social shifts then anything technological.\n\n5/?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\ncont:\n\nSee pic for more info. The Aztec only show up in the middle Postclassic, and you had fuckhuge Roman sized cities with ~100,000 denizens like El Mirador or Teotihuacan with toilets and giant sprawls and complex aquaducts by the late Preclassic and early Classic periods 1000-1500 years earlier.\n\nEven if you go purely by metallurgy or lack thereof, gold, silver, and copper smelting shows up by 600AD, and bronze by 1300AD. But judging stuff by that is dumb: Teotihuacan, again, had 100,000 people, a giant 22 square km urban grid, almost all denizens lived in richly painted palace compounds with running water, etc, and it had it's peak before 600AD.\n\nNew World societies simply don't fit into the same categories people do for Eurasian ones. Hell even in Eurasia the stone bronze iron age stuff is just names museum curators came up with 200+ years ago to label exhibits with, it was never intended to be a consistent set of stages societies go through.\n\n>>15\n>>17\n>>unknown\n>>41\n>>40\nI need to do a new debunk thing since at the time I wrote this I misread some of the skull rack excavations and frankly I halfassed this whole response, but here.\n\n>>60\nonly sane post in thread\n\n>>6\nTenochtitlan had more like 200-250k, not 300k. Some researchers like Susan Toby Evans goes much smaller like 50k but Smith, who actually specializes in urbanism and city planning, goes 200k.\n\nThe Empire as a whole had much more then 1.5m: The Valley of Mexico had ~1.5m people, but that's merely the political core, there were a few dozen other border provinces. The most common figure you'll see online for the whole emprie is 5m, but I think that's an underestimation if you go with 20m to 25m people for all of Mesoamerica/Mexico: The Aztec Empire occupied like 1/4 -1/3 of the region's geographic area, and had it's most densely populated areas too, so proportionally it only having 1/5 - 1/4 of the region's population doesn't add up to me.\n\n6/?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>15\n>>17\n>>unknown\n>>41\n>>40\n>>75\n>I need to do a new debunk thing since at the time I wrote this I misread some of the skull rack excavations and frankly I halfassed this whole response, but here.\n\nwhoops, here's the image, forgot I was also posting the summarized timeline there"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>>75\n>>6\ncont:\n\nMind you, I need to do more research on population estimates for the whole region: From what digging i've done so far there is a LOT of people and even legit sources misquoting other sources (a part of me wonders if the 20m to 25m figure for all of Mesoamerica is really people getting mixed up and are getting it from Borah's 25m figure just for Central mexico; since, confusingly, sometimes researchers say \"Mexico\" to mean \"Central Mexico\" or \"Mesoamerica excluding the Maya region\").\n\nI'm more confident on figures given per city, since those are (well, sometimes) derived from actual archeology of sites and not just proportional extrapolation.\n\n>>73\nAh, then yeah, you're correct, though exactly how long they were kept up before they got demolished and then remade isn't clear, so there is ambiguity there.\n\nGiven what Duran says about it happening from Ahuizotl's coronation and the expansion of the Great Temple, it probably happened in similar frequencies to when temples were expanded, which happened when new kings took power or during important cosmological milestones or some other key event rulers/nobles wanted to celebrated\n\ni'd guess like roughly every 10-30 years, maybe? That's w wide range but If what I said above is true, then it wouldn't occur on a consistent, regular interval of time, since when new kings took power is unpredictable and it could happen to occur right alongside an important cosmological thing like the 52 year calender reset/New Fire Ceremony.\n\n7/7 for now, heading to bed"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>though exactly how long they were kept up\n\n*\"and took to fill\"; forgot that part of the statement"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>i'd guess like roughly every 10-30 years, maybe?\nI kind of err on the longer side of that range, maybe even longer, simply because I don't feel they would demolish such important artifacts super often. But thats my own completely uneducated opinion on the subject. Altogether, your posts are super good, glad to see not everyone on /his/ has brainrot."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\n>and it could happen to occur right alongside\n\nFuck, i'm really forgetting to qualify by my statements correctly\n\nAs in, sometimes, a king's coronation could occur closer to a cosmological cycle like this, or it could occur further away from it, which might change the interveral, etc."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>2\nNot really."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>71\n>I responded to this image in another thread here\nI don't really see what your criticism is, the main one seems to be that the blame can't be placed on the 'Aztec Empire' because it wasn't unified, but that's not the point of the image, the point is to estimate the rate of sacrifice across the Aztec's five million or so subjects and thus compare the death toll with war and violence in other societies. The image could have been about all of Mesoamerica or the Valley of Mexico alone, but those wouldn't have been any less arbitrary and wouldn't have suited the kinds of sources we have, which come from different parts of the Aztec world. There's no reason Aztec society can't be examined as a whole just because it was disunified, that's like saying you can't estimate the death toll of the Thirty Years War because the HRE wasn't one state.\n\nI'm not sure why you say the image is extrapolating from Tenochtitlan; Cortes' numbers come from Veracruz in his first letter long before he reached Tenochtitlan (this is also where his 4,000 number comes from), while Sahagun gives a list of annual Nahua festivals and associated sacrifices without specifying a single city (he does mention bodies being thrown into lake Texcoco, but it's obvious from the numbers that he's not talking only about Tenochtitlan). The fact that the Veracruz and Nahua numbers are of a similar scale implies that they're broadly accurate for cities in different parts of the Aztec world even if the specifics varied.\n\nYou also said that smaller settlements are left out from the number of around 500 cities, but then go on to say that sacrifices were rare outside of city-states, so I don't see the issue. The only real problem seems to be that sacrifices in cities with multiple temples are left out, and it also leaves out Tenochtitlan entirely, but its unlikely to fall outside the final figure of 20,000 - 60,000. Given you don't even disagree with the final numbers this all just seems nitpicky to me."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>2\nNah. Aztecs are subhumans."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">horrifying demons\nthey don't actually seem that bad from what I know of Mesoamerican mythology. They're fighting to preserve the world and all.\nThey just need nourishment."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nSome more points from that thread:\n\n>population\nI don't think it's a good idea to work backwards from estimates of all Mesoamerica's population to estimate that of the Aztecs, it should be the other way around. And of course the valley of Mexico was far more densely populated than anywhere else. Michael Smith gives an average figure of 10,000-15,000 for the population of an altpetl, which would mean five to eight million across the 'empire'. So maybe five million might be too low but I don't think it's hugely off.\n\n>sacrifices are not a entirely distinct total from war casualties\nThat's why I compared them to war casualties in other societies on not just stuff like witch hunts. I am treating them essentially as war casualties.\n\n>I am pretty sure this is wrong and that's for Tenochtitlan\nIt's from his first letter from Veracruz. Pic related, 'this land' is referring to Veracruz, although it could be read to include the Yucatan coast. Either way, he had no experience of the interior yet. Of course it could be dismissed as propaganda given the following lines, but it accords with other sources.\n\n>once every few decades you'd have a massive religious conflict or massacre like the Purge of the Cathars that killed as many people in a few years or a decade that the Mexica would have only sacrificed over a much longer time span\nThe Cathar genocide is very exaggerated. But anyway, what the image establishes is that something like the Thirty Years War, which was Europe's worst religious conflict, killed around 1% of Germany's population each year. WW1 was about the same. That's at most twice the Aztec sacrifice/war death rate in a normal year. So for the likes of Germany to be as violent as the Aztec world, it would have to exist in a state of violence as bad as the Thirty Years War in every second year, which of course was nothing like the case. Wars were a state of exception and most were nowhere close to the likes of the Thirty Years War."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\n>Maybe wikipedia's numbers are overinflated (they are for Aztec sacrifices) but it says 200,000 to 1m people were killed in 20 years with that Cathar purge\nThe sources for these numbers are a cenury old book, which claims a million, and another from 2016 which includes the claim that the Spanish Inquisition killed 350,000 people (the actual number was about 3,000), and neither are focused on the topic. They're completely made up numbers. Laurence Marvin's 'The Occitan War' argues that it was a more or less typical feudal war that was tarnished by a number of religious massacres during the sacks of cities like Beziers, in which he argues at most a few thousand died."}, {"id": 87, "content": "adsadsas"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the modern latinx nation is an uncivilized shithole that still kills 7 gorillion people and tears out children hearts out so I think if they're still going to do that I'd prefer it be a cool and alien civilization completely uninfluenced by the Old World and thus a fascinating curiosity instead of a nation of troons (as south american demographics show) and the most pathetic buckbroken weepy losers (i.e le \"\"\"based\"\"\" latinx) posting coal like this all day praying to god he'll make them white, hope that helps!"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">Americans find it impossible to believe that 150,000 people could be sacrificed per year\n>Americans allow the ritual sacrifice of 1,000,000+ babies every single year and do nothing about it"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>69\nI don't think whether it was 15,000 or 250,000 really affects the validity of the argument that ritual human sacrifice is bad and they got what they deserved"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>2\nLmao"}, {"id": 92, "content": "asdasd"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>82\nFirstly, sorry if this is less concise or less efficiently formatted then usual, I don't have a lot of time to spend trying to optimize my wording today but didn't want the thread to 404 before I got the chance to reply, since you took the time to reply to me in depth.\n\n>I don't really see what your criticism is,\nI feel like my criticism is pretty obvious?\n\nIn terms of the actual math:\n\n- It assumes temple complex = population center when larger cities, towns, etc would have multiple temples, so this is a drastic underestimation\n- It also assumes that the ~500 major cities in the empire are the only population centers, when there would have been thousands of smaller towns and villages too, which is another underestimation\n- It assumes sacrifices in Tenochtitlan would be represenative of sacrifices in other cities/temples, which is NOT true and leads to drastic overestimation\n- it goes with the 5m figure for the \"Aztec Empire\", which is probably an underestimate and therefore leads to an overestimation of per capita violence\n\nAnd in terms of the actual categorical inclusion of things\n\n- The \"Aztec Empire\" isn't a centralized unified state that had top down administration for sacrifices, so it's really a bunch of independent states with different practices rather then one entity\n- It treats sacrifices as a distinct total from wartime casualties, when they really aren't distinct, so if you're comparing per capita deaths, you really need to include both normal wars and religious conflicts for any given European entity, and as I mentioned, it also doesn't really make sense to even look at \"The Aztec Empire\" as one entity either, plus you'd have to factor in things that occur not on an aunnual basis like outlier major conflicts or religious massacres for BOTH the Aztec and European states, and the entire comparsion quickly breaks down.\n\n10/?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\n>>82\ncont:\n\n>the point is to estimate the rate of sacrifice across the Aztec's five million or so subjects and thus compare the death toll with war and violence in other societies...the image could have been about all of Mesoamerica or the Valley of Mexico alone, but those wouldn't have been any less arbitrary and wouldn't have suited the kinds of sources we have...that's like saying you can't estimate the death toll of the Thirty Years War because the HRE wasn't one state.\n\nThat's just the problem though, the groups of states, population centers, etc you're comparing are already arbitrary and aren't analogous (The \"Aztec Empire\" is less like \"France\" as a singular nation-state and more like the HRE, I think? I don't into europe), and as I explained, we don't really have sources suited to ANY Mesoamerican group/state/city for sacrifice numbers that's not Tenochtitlan anyways.\n\nAnd yeah, if I did know more about Europe, depending on how the HRE works and the specifics with the Thirty Years War and what other state/nations or conflicts you're trying to compare them to, I might argue that's a bad comparison too.\n\n>(this is also where his 4,000 number comes from)\n\nI asked about this in another thread I think, but could you post the actual section from his letters for this? I admit I'm not as familar with Spanish accounts as I am with actual archeology of Mesoamerican sites, so it's possible I did get mixed up here, but i'm relatively sure that his 3k to 4k figure was for Tenochtitlan. If i'm wrong though then I'll own up to that\n\nI did say in that other thread though that I realized not all of the cited numbers were only talking about Tenochtitlan. (IE for Tepoztlan). I'm pretty sure Sahagun is disscusiong Tenochtitlan there, though: The Florentine Codex in general is written from a Mexica perspective, which is why, say, during the end of book 10 when it';s disscusing other Mesoamerican groups, it talks about the Mexica and other Nahuas separately\n\n11/?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>2\n>just as\nnot even in the same league"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>>82\ncont:\n\nI would agree that a more airtight breakdown of the image would have included me going more in depth about each source the image cites from the Kerkhive paper, but A: I didn't want the thread to 404 over the extra 2 days it would have taken for me to comprhensively check each source (Kerkhive also seems to make mistakes with some of his citations: I tried to check a bunch of them and, unless there are two nearly identically named documents by Motolinia that neither me nor anybody else I asked had heard of, for example, he got mixed up at some point) which is also why right now i'm not doing that since the thread is on page 9, and B: I don't actually think doing so is that important given the other flaws I pointed out in the math the images uses with mixing up temple complexes with cities and other such things\n\nIf I or people I do projects with every do a fuckhuge 20 page writeup on sacrifice estimates (we do have one for the skull rack findings and I will factor in more estimates from Sahagun, Duran, etc into that at some point, right now it's very focused on just the modern excavations extrapolations from that), I have the kerhive paper in a folder to review more comprehensively, but for the purposes of just breaking down the issues with that specific image in a thread like this, I don't think it's that critical\n\n>You also said that smaller settlements are left out...but then go on to say... so I don't see the issue\n\nWell yeah, as I conceded myself, I don't actually think the 20k to 60k figure for \"the empire\" is unreasonable, at least for the level of thought/analysis I gave it (maybe if I did a even more in depth look i'd have additional issues). I just have issues with how it gets there since it makes mistakes, and I think the categorical issues with defining \"the empire\" and the problems with making a division between sacrifices vs normal wars and what counts as a state etc makes the per captia % sort of meaningless\n\n12/?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>80\nWhere are the ruins of all this?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's interesting to me how civilizations around the world came up with agriculture, textile weaving, and pottery independently while having so many similarities in technique."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligions are many, but God is One.\nWhat matters is the intention."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>93\n>>94\n>>96\nI can accept what you're saying about possible underestimation, of both sacrifices and total population (5-8 million seems likely to me), but the other points seem mistaken. I'm not sure you saw the following post >>85.\n\n>It assumes sacrifices in Tenochtitlan would be represenative of sacrifices in other cities/temples\nIt doesn't say anything at all about Tenochtitlan, unless that's what Sahagun was talking about. But I don't really see how Sahagun's account could be about Tenochtitlan considering the low numbers he gives, unless he was omitting the vast majority of sacrifices and I don't see why he would.\n\n>The \"Aztec Empire\" isn't a centralized unified state\nIt's not about the empire, it's about the societies they ruled over. If the image was about how evil the Triple Alliance is you would be right, but that's not what it's getting at.\n\n>It treats sacrifices as a distinct total from wartime casualties\nIt doesn't, it explicitly compares sacrifices to war casualties (from all causes) elsewhere.\n\n>you really need to include both normal wars and religious conflicts for any given European entity\nI don't see what you mean here. The point is that a normal year in Aztec society was about as bloody as an exceptional year in any given European society, specifically when a European society was in a state of total war. Nowhere in Europe (or Asia for that matter) existed in a state of such intensive warfare for more than a few decades at a time, nor did such a state ever cover all of Europe. Most European societies would exist in relative peace, with maybe some small border wars or revolts, for decades or even centuries at a time, and only very rarely descend into violence that would match or surpass a normal year in Aztec society.\n\n>but could you post the actual section from his letters for this\nSee >>85."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nI could simplify the argument by just talking about the 'average altepetl'. According to Michael Smith, the average altepetl had 10,000-15,000 people and one temple-complex. Sure, some had more or less people or more than one temple, but this is just an average I'm talking about. If about 50 to 100 people are sacrificed at each temple each year, then between 0.33 and 1% of the number of the population were sacrificed each year. That's slightly lower than the estmate in the image but still on about the same scale.\n\nAnd, to make the European comparison a bit clearer: England fought the Wars of the Roses between 1455 and 1487, resulting in about 100,000 deaths (per wikipedia anyway). That means about 3,000 deaths per year, in a population of about 2.5 to 3 million, or about 0.1% of the population each year. Remember that the lowest rate of killings in the average Nahua polity above is 0.33%. So Engand, in what is considered to be a bloody civil war, saw no more than a third of the yearly killing that the average Nahua state did in a normal year. Even the far bloodier English Civil War, which killed some 0.4% each year, only managed to match the Aztec rate for about a decade. The point is, what was exceptional violence in Europe was the norm among the Aztecs."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>96\nThe Motolinia quote for 'several' victims each 20 days can be found here:\n>https://archive.org/details/historyofindians0000moto/page/106/mode/2up?q=several"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhat a load of bullshit, really. All of that was written by the aztecs enemies, its as reliable as the romans claim that the druids did human sacrifice.\n\nAlso viking did tons of human sacrifice too, but that A-OK for white nationalists."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>15\n\nXVI century ideas of sanitation?? Such as?"}, {"id": 105, "content": "150,000 people / 365 days a year\n\n= 411 sacrifices/day\n\n411 sacrifices / 24 hrs\n\n= 17,12 sacrifices/hr\n\n60 minutes / 17,12 sacrifices\n\n= 3,5 minutes allocated for each sacrifice\n\n*************\nDOUBTFUL"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>3\n>Germans couldn't do it with 40s technology\nThere are a few steps removed from this. The original question is \"what happened to the bodies\" then the answer to that is \"they burned them\" but that introduces a time delay to the rate you can kill people. It is perfectly possible to kill tons of people very quickly if you aren't trying to hide the bodies."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>17\nI pretty sure the ROMAN BATHS predated islam."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>43\nThey didn't say they were there to eradicate slavery. The Moors began a long distance slave trade into Iberia, the Spanish after the reconquista continued that exact same slave trade but redirected it elsewhere. You are basically left in a situation where neither of the people we are discussing were ever interested in ending slavery so it isn't a point that can be used for comparison."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>3\n>Yeah I'm gonna need a source for that one buddy. Especially when there are people on this website who claim Germans couldn't do it with 40s technology.\n\nthe big difference is we find the bodies for the aztecs. The germans were able to make the bodies simply disappear, just leaving behind the ever growing numbers of survivors to pay reparations to."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>70\n>more disruption when the spanish conquered them than when the aztecs conquered them\nthat is because the aztecs didn't conquer anybody, they defeated them in battle and made them a tributary and then every single time a succession happened they broke off and they had to restart the whole process from the beginning to defeat them in battle again."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do we act like the Spanish did anything but a giant favor to the entire world in taking these people out?\n\nThe problem is precisely that they didn't \"take them out\"\n\nthey had mucho sexo with them and created a bastardized race of mestizos\n\nthat is their crime."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>69\n>>70\nStop mass-responding you utter twat.\nAlso no-one is impressed with you screenshotting your own fucking reddit posts, retard"}, {"id": 113, "content": "Cortes did nothing wrong. He was the punishment of God sent over such evil culture."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\n>>1 (OP)\nEl Salvador is a literal paradise with perfect weather and fertile soil, yet very few poisonous animals.\n\nBut it is also hell on earth because of the people who live there. It has one of the highest homicide rates in the world and violent gangs are active in every part of the country, even remote villages.\n\nThis is all because the Spaniards committed the grave sin of racemixing with them and pushing Christianity on them instead of getting rid of them.\n\nCentral America could be heavenly, if it were populated by nothing but White people."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>15\nlook the aztards deserved to be nuked but don't act like the spanish wouldn't have killed them if they were le based enlightenment nation"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>34\n\nThere is only one tzompantli"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>76\n>>76\n>>76\n>>76\n\nBASADO"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>114\nYep. Even disregarding the violence, it's the way the people live in literal garbage. You ask them why they don't clean it up and they get offended and go 'Why the fuck should I do that? Someone else should do it for me!\".\nSuch a fucked up mentality."}, {"id": 119, "content": "trannies dilating itt"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do w-\nActually Amerindians demonstrated a higher development rate than europeans."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>98\nTextile weaving is from the paleolithic.\nMost humans got it from the same source"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>97\nburied under the mexico city, you can visit them anytime, theyre literally next to the main plaza"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>41\nNo one said Barbary slaves trading wasn't bad"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNon-whites hate white people, simple as."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>150,000 people per year\n>410 people per day\n>17 people per hour\nJesus Christ"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtip; the Aztecs were simply the militant rulers of an alliance of 3 city-states, and everyone else hated the Aztecs. In fact, some of the other natives aided the Spanish in wiping them out."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "when did movies get jewed"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nooo you can't make a movie about beating Hitler you freaking kikes!!!\n*Runs away crying*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlways. We're everywhere and we're better than you."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShut up esoteric gnostic."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Jews created the film industry, so forever."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\ngem"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFILMS used to be dominated by gentiles and European migrants who arrived on the West coast and founded Hollywood in the late 19th century.\n\nMOVIES are goyslop bullshit marketed towards cattle like yourself and made entirely by Jewish studios. They began to produce such garbage around the time when kikes like the Groucho showed up.\n\nYes fag, your pic related is equal in quality to modern capeshit no matter how hard you cope by claiming the absence of minorities makes it any less tasteless."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nfilm is just british english for movie, retard"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nBased."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSo movie is the Mexican English word?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nthey're called \"talkies\" you sperg"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nanon how drunk are you, the other variant is american english\n\nwhat you just said\n>god our cars were so based before the ZOG got them running on gas instead of petrol, a petrol driven car was the epitome of motoring prowess but now they're all jewed gas cars"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>>3\nSoon"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYeah that's what I said Mexican English"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAlso what about Hindu English or pidgin English? There's more than just the Mexican variant"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThanks.\n\nt. FBI\n\nP.S., your homework is due soon, little oneqRG MDB...."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nCope harder faggot.\nFilms were art.\n\n\"Movies\" are some slapstick shit made to promote degenerate culture and profit off of merchandise."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were from the beginning.\n\nActing was one of the few jobs Jews could do because of the old laws of Europe.\n\nSo when stage acts such as vaudeville became movies, they moved to movies, when television came about they went into television too."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhen they found out movies were both lucrative and a great propaganda tool\nsame shit happened to video games since the 2010's"}, {"id": 20, "content": "professions like acting and moneylending were considered disreputable and sinful so the Church discouraged Christians from them but didn't care if Jews did them."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nyou'll be fucking dead"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Y-youll be freaking dead!!!\n*Trips and almost falls over while running away crying*"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nYou need to be exterminated rabbi"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nCome & try loser"}, {"id": 25, "content": "National transocialists big mad"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\n>Jews own everything!\nSounds like some sort of superior race or something."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen Hollywood got founded"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nAnd this is the mentality that gets them kicked out of countries throughout history, where will they run when the inevitable hospitality runs out due to their behaviour? It is beyond a coincidence at this point. No wonder they have to keep co opting governments to make laws targeting these people as it just seems to be a natural human reaction to want them physically removed."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\nThis."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>Sounds like some sort of superior race or someth-ack"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrom the very beginning"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">“I must be crazy for doing this; I should have asked for a dou-ACK!\"\n\nWhat did Vic Morrow mean by this?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGoldwyn-Mayer studios?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou guys realized Jews founded Hollywood specifically because they were kicked out of New York for trying to be on Broadway."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll the big Hollywood studios, with the exception of Disney, were founded by Jews."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>26\n>>28\nJews are like a boxer, who lives with his boxer friends then goes out on the streets and begins knocking out people, then claims that he got shot for being a better boxer than the locals."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\n*picks you up, dusts you off, sends you on your way*"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>28\nThey are self selected. Jews that are more normal just stop being jews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was he unironically right about everything?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Yes"}, {"id": 5, "content": "He follows me on Twitter, so yes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do atheists hate Him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They don’t “hate” him they simply don’t believe that he was who be said he was."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't even think about him"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's not even real. Do you hate fictional characters? He's just a weird character from a late 1st century jew fanfiction."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nMaybe you should."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThis is the “atheist” position but many just plain hate Jesus or Christians in general"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nYou need to stop hating your parents for forcing you to go to church on sundays."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus was made up and there are no arguments to the contrary\n\n>majority of biblical scholars believe in Jesus\nOk the majority of biblical scholars were beaten if they didn't tell their parents they believed in Jesus, so what?\n>Muh criterion of embarrassment\nSo something is true if someone wrote about it... because they wrote about it? lmao try again retards."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nNo thanks, couldn't be me posting hundreds of threads screaming about him."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they hate themselves fundamentally.\n\nThe death and resurrection of Jesus and the reception of the Holy Spirit is the recognition in history that we are the divine Spirit that is consciousness engaged in the task of knowing itself. Jesus is a man who realizes he is God, who dies, and then is resurrected as Spirit's self-consciousness in all men that they are Spirit -- meaning they are the conscious part of the universe that makes what surrounds us a \"universe\" (as a concept for us) and gives things meaning).\n\nThis turns out to be necessitated. You can understand this necessity either as a contingent necessity built into the nature of consciousness or as an absolute necessity built into the inevitability of everything that happens in the world.\n\n>t. Boomer theology teacher"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>t. professional liar\nWho cares? I bet you beat your kids, christcuck."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou're a disrespectful little shit millennial who needs to learn some respect and get an education.\n\nBut no one expects a child using the word christcuck to be intelligent"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nbased boomer"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWhy do you think it's cool to worship a jew raised by a cuck?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWhy do you think its cool to negate your own existence. You are nothing without God you precious baby boy. Nothing more than dust."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nWhy do you think it's cool to beat your children?\nWhy do you hate trans people?\n\n(Answer: you're afraid of things you don't understand)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWhy are you afraid of being dust? Because you're a coward\n\n(Answer: because beating my children makes my pee pee big)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nHow do you go from \"we need to worship a god to affirm our existence\" to \"that god is a jew raised by a cuck\"?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>\"All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return\" - God"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nNobody in my family believes in sky jews because we're intelligent and white. Only stupid fucks and shitskins believe in sky jews."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nWhen I die, it will be like before I was born. Before my brain was so formed to make memories. Nothingness. Everything that I do has impact only on all the people around me, whom I love. I will die when I die. Why are you afraid of this? Because you're a coward?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\nHate is a strong word that leaves no room for argument. He was just a man with good ideas. If you wanna brag about the good that Christians have given mankind, I don't argue. It's just not proof the man himself was magic or multiplied bread.\nWhy do you love him? You're probably not even racially jewish and most people who follow him ironically still hold strong in-group preference. Much of what was written about him was written some time after his death. I can't just throw my better judgement out about that for the sake of continuity.\n>>7\nNot an argument. Especially since we're like 2-3 generations of secularized culture into Western society now. Even if most of the atheists here do come from Christian upbringing, i doubt anyone but grandma is an active churchgoer.\nAlso, why do you hate Muslims, hindoos, Sikhs, Buddhists...etc? for all the sophist answers you could give me on the question of whether or not God exists, your arguments for whether or not YOUR specific God exists aren't actually different from theirs dialectically."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nThey pretend not to believe in Him because He threatens their false sense of pride and superiority."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a the greatest man of all. As an atheist I respect his figure."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nAtheists have a frothing at the mouth hatred of Christ.\n>>1 (OP)\nHe told them it’s not good to give in to all your base impulses and lead an irresponsible life."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nNo serious historian denies the existence of Christ as a man. Atheists are so brain dead retarded they don’t even read actual history, they just make assumptions based on what’s convenient to them."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nJesus was not real."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\n>there are no arguments to the contrary\nYou mean other than the historical accounts from both Roman and Jewish sources?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYou mean the ones that came from 100 years after Jesus was already dead?\n\n>>26\n>>8\nJesus wasn't real and the fact that almost all historians of Jesus are Christian (and therefore think Jesus was \"\"\"real\"\"\") doesn't contradict this.\nKeep beating your kids and living in fear of death."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>implying\nLiterally every scholar of antiquity regarded Jesus as a real person, it’s only modern atheist retards 1000 years later who want to shout\n>LE JESUS NOT REAL\ndespite the fact that we have more evidence supporting his existence then fucking Socrates."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nSee https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>>31\nListen, if you can find me incontrovertible proof that 2000 years ago (give or take) a man rose from the dead, or find anyone who genuinely believes this, I'll get baptized (you can't)"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're porn addicts and He said don't do that"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>Socrates\nPlato, Xenophon, Aristophanes\n\nWhere's your contemporary evidence for the existence of jesus?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>>31\nListen up retard, the thing that makes Jesus Jesus is the resurrection, not that there was a preacher who lived in Judea who had a name that kind of sounded like \"Jesus\" and was executed (not crucified, btw) by Romans. Literally no one cares about Christian apologist bullshit."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>>32\n>BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP\nmake way, make way! the dump truck is backing up"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nExcept it's not, the dump truck is empty."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>2\n>They don’t “hate” him they simply don’t believe that he was who be said he was.\nokay... snopes, i'm going to need a fact check on that\n\n>>11\n>christcuck\n>>14\n>jew raised by a cuck\n>>20\n>sky jews\n\nsnopes:\n>our rating? false"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\nI’m not arguing that it’s a historical fact that Jesus was the son of God only a historical fact that he existed, which is a fact you denied, goalpost moving retard\n>>34\nTacitus"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nWhy do you think it makes your pee pee hard to think about when your father beat you?\n>christians will not answer this question"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>23\nYou believe a virgin gave birth to a magic jew in the first century and you can't see any reason someone would doubt that? Are you fucking idiot? Do you have a low IQ like most christcucks?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n>Being factual is considered hatred\nlmao."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>24\nHe's a fictional character. Even if we assume it was based on a real person we know absolutely nothing about him because there are no sources outside the gospels which are obvious bullshit."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nTacitus wasn't even alive during jesus' \"time\". Try again."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>26\n>No serious historian denies the existence of Christ as a man.\nFew historians have bothered to look into it. They assume it because everyone else does."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>39\nNo one argues that someone named Yeshua lived in Palestine 2000+ years ago, it was a common name. But the key component that would make this Jew Jesus is that he rose from the dead. That's the miracle that proved that he's god on Earth, right?\nNot really sure how that's moving the goalposts. If anyone is moving the goalposts, it's you.\n>Jesus existed as he did in the contradictory accounds of the gospels!\n>No he didn't!\n>Jesus existed in some vague way that I refuse to define!\n>No he didn't!\n>There was a guy named Yeshua who lived between 30BC and 30AD\n>yeah ok probably, but that wasn't Jesus.\n>YOu're moving the GoAlPoStS!!!!!!"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was just a hippie in the old days, hard to hate him although he isn't what christians claim he is"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>10\n>>12\nsee, some of us might actually take the time out of our day to educate you.\nbut you've already admitted to being a boomer, your mind is unfortunately past the point of being able to accept any new information. you're locked in, 'solidified', so to speak. and the irony is that you think this is a good thing. good thing your religion is dying by the truckload, your only hope is to keep indoctrinating children like the trannies do. but we're not having any of that shit anymore.\nand a piece of advice: if you'd learn how to argue like an adult, you wouldn't have to call everyone 'disrespectful' all day long. but i'm willing to bet you're beyond learning that, too."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>10\nBased"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\nWhy are the gospels \"obvious bullshit\"?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\nyes, personal insults is irrational hatred"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nWhich part is incorrect, jesus being a jew or jesus being raised by a cuck?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\num because they just le are, okay??????????"}, {"id": 54, "content": "Life as an atheist must be miserable. Spending every waking moment in seething anger, putting all your effort into suppressing the knowledge of God. It must be exhausting"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\ni don't know, you're the one that claims he never existed in the first place. therefore, he can be neither of them"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nWe are free because we don't lie to ourselves at every waking second.\n\nShow me this \"\"\"\"\"Knowledge\"\"\"\"\"\" of \"\"\"\"\"God\"\"\"\"\"\" (you can't)"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think they mostly hate his modern followers."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>We are free because we don't lie to ourselves at every waking second."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n>christcuck would rather deny the existence of jesus before admitting he worships a jew raised by a cuck\noh my lol."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nAll those things exist in majority christian countries though?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nlets be real here, you worship the product of jews as well"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nThere are no majority Christian countries."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>There are no majority christian countries\nNope, there are many third world countries."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey hated Jesus because He told them the truth."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\n>It's the \"everything is a religion\" episode."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\ntrust. the. science."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nUhh sweaty wiping your ass is a religion because you do it religiously after taking a shit, ok?!!!"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nProve it wrong"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nTbh sounds you're just bitter that you're too low IQ to actually read scientific papers so you have to either \"trust the science\" or \"distrust the science\" based purely on emotion."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nHe probably just doesn't worship Science™ as a god"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nmy IQ is high enough to believe in real science"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nSo you Trust the Real Science™? Sounds baseded."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>unknown\n>belief in and worship of\nTherefore atheism is a religion."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">Atheists are on a same level as Christians are.\nAtheists copied it off /HIS/"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>christcuck reading comprehension."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\n>please PLEASE you must also be a religious retard just like me!! the alternative is making me extremely upset!!!!\nlmao"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>72\nyes, i trust the science. i don't believe in that \"humans = monkeys\" garbage, or \"the universe magically started from nothing\" nonsense"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>58\nI'm a nurse and an atheist. I spend a large portion of my time helping people simply because I think human life has value. Not because a man who wears black and white told me.\n\nOk now portray me as the bad wojack."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>74 (Me)\nYou feggets you post me here do you?\n\n>>unknown →\n\nWhat was I saying here?\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nWhy are you such a basedgoy, anon? Is it because your reading comprehension stops at the level of literal interpretations of old jewish myths?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\n>the universe couldn't have come from nothing\n>therefore there must be a god that magically came from nothing and created the world...magically...from nothing."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\ni'm based because i was raised by a father that cared about me"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>78\n>I think human life has value\nWhy?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>>therefore there must be a god that magically came from nothing and created the world...magically...from nothing.\num... athiestbros? are we too simple minded to understand the concept of eternity? sheesh... i thought we were the le free thinkers....."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>45\n> Few historians have bothered to look into it. They assume it because everyone else does.\nRetard\n>>44\nPontious Pilate was\n>>46\nLiterally every serious historian exists that yeshua was a Pharisee born Hebrew. He gained a following of supporters of his revolutionary religious doctrine. He was executed by Pontious Pilate for insighting insurrection. After his death several of his followers had visionary experiences that led them to believe he had returned from the dead.\n\nNo one disputes these facts except reddit atheists mad that the Catholic Church might have a leg to stand on. Seethe more though about how your parents made you go to church on sundays."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nYou think your father cared about you because he taught you to trust the unconditional veracity of Moshe's writings?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>76\nThere is no alternative. There is no such thing as an irreligious man. Atheist women worship shoes, atheist men worship women, etc etc. The question is not whether to have a god, but which."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>79 (Me)\n>>82\nI was raised by womyn. I know about them\nIf you do not me, you know what the future will be."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>There is no such thing as an irreligious man.\nWhy? Because the concept makes you upset? Facts don't care about your feefees, anon."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nWhat strange gods do you worship, I wonder?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88 (Me)\nI have said it. However"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>86\nhe cared about me because he\n>bought a gun to protect me\n>didn't feed me slop\n>paid off every asset we own\n>remains faithful to his wife\n>cooks for me\n>tells me how to survive in this world"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nWhy? Because the concept makes you upset? Facts don't care about your feefees, anon."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>83\nBecause I decided it was true for myself. Not because some guy told me that there would be an award waiting for my if I followed his rules.\n\nChristians who need to be told this shit are the real nihilists."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\n>anon is either underage or not underage but lives with his parents\nSuddenly everything is starting to make more sense."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>Because I decided it was true for myself\nSo it's not actually true in reality."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nwhy do you think i am underage? is it hard for you to believe that people can have fathers? i am sorry for you"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nIf you don't realize what it is in your post that makes it obvious you're underage, you're underage as well as retarded.\nGo do your homework, anon."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nIt's impossible to know. Will you decide for yourself, bravely admitting you could be wrong, or die like an animal?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>Go do your homework, anon.\ni already did my homework, i have spread biochar onto my strawberry patch"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nVery nice, little anon. Now get on with your math homework. I don't think your dad wants you to waste your time on this site at the detriment of your school duties."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nonly if you agree to do something for me: tell your father that you love him"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nI told him that yesterday. My parents got us tickets to the theatre. It was nice.\nNow get on with your homework."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nthank you, good night"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>85\n>I just make up my version of Jesus and that's what's truee!!!!!!!!\nOk redditor. Cite primary success (you can't, they don't exist). No one is moving hospitalists except for you."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>99\n>It's impossible to know.\nNo Anon, you know very well human life has value because you know it is made in God's image.\n>Will you decide for yourself\nNo sir, God willing I will die before I join you in your autotheistic rebellion against God."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nDo you have autism?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do atheists hate Him?\nWhy do you lie? Many don't. In fact many atheists defend his historicity in spite of the fact that in all likelihood a non mythical jewsus never existed. Stop lying."}, {"id": 109, "content": "Of Gawd holp us now.\nBut Americha has guns. But we don't trust the gobernment.\nAnd your shooters should get good conditions in EVROPA for their punishment."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">For this to save your gun law."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he asks me to accept the unacceptable idea of scapegoating, which is an idea that is fundamentally incompatible with human civilization. Not only do I hate him, I claim it's a moral duty to hate him"}, {"id": 112, "content": "Go meet fuhrer demands you feggets homo negers\n\n(: WhaWhaWha"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>38\nhating christians isn't hating jesus"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis existence would mean their jacking off to vr youtobers is wearing and that is something they can't never happen so they invented evolution and other nonsenses"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe is against degeneracy."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nHes our common spirituality. And we to meet chantracts, like Russia to Putin. And THUS no false, untrue thing may be accepted\n\n>so heed this\n\nBut Ukraine, Ukraine rightfully belongs to us, just as to Russia. But now where is our Russia?\n\n>Russia is sinning,\nBut their full right will be for them to come to the fuhrer"}, {"id": 117, "content": "Just like mine fuhrerbefehl has been"}, {"id": 118, "content": "In this day, I could have also said:\n,,Let me kill Stalin. And by foggot lie and treason establish myself''\n\nSo now, still\nRussia can only be perserverd by the literal fuhrer"}, {"id": 119, "content": "So now Russia falls to me by its true choice. And its"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\n>However a sin\nAnd when ever I said it, so it should be. Also reasonbly speaking"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe would hate santa claus just as much if there were several hundred gullible twits per hour yelling about him."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe hate him less than you do, which is pretty fucked up. Jesus would be killed if he showed up in modern day America and tried to talk to Christians."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n>Jesus would be killed if he showed up in modern day America and tried to talk to Christians.\ni don't know if he would be killed, but there are very very few churches that still teach what Jesus commanded his disciples to do. most modern christians would call you demon processed if you said some biblical things on the pulpit"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've been thinking about why atheists hate Jesus. I think it's because He is proof that mankind can overcome sin and indulgences, but atheists want to live lives of hedonism and self worship, which is why theu worship science and trannies"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>48\n>past the point of being able to accept any new information. you're locked in, 'solidified', so to speak\nthis is just pure projection, KeK"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>107\nno he as a belief system, are you incapable of comprehending this?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>26\nJesus of Nazareth was a wandering Jewish priest in the early 1st century. (real person)\nJesus Christ is the sin-free son of god and messiah of mankind, who died at the cross to rid us of our original sin and then came back to life. (kike larp)\nKnow the difference!"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey're afraid of the truth"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>10\nRespect"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>10\n>believing in some Weltgeist just because\n>ontology\nThis is some high level intellectual bankruptcy. Not one word of what you have posted informs me about reality - you literally just wrote down your head canon of analytical statements."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>12\nStop larping as an old person. You write like some 28 year old basement virgin trying to sound like your grandpa."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>36\nHow to admit defeat in conversation 101 right here"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>58\nFunny ad hominem, you dumb retard. If your argument is \"atheism makes people do things I don't like\", why shouldn't I just become a Zen Buddhist or a Muslim and follow their dogma? Why does it have to be your god, with exactly you denomination's rules to lead a moral life?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>82\nSo parental care suddenly includes going to church every Sunday? At this point, you've circumnavigated the goalpost around the planet. Any actually, intellectual arguments, that aren't just your opinions on parental conduct?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>102\n>>103\n>>104\nAwwwwww"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’\nJohn 15:18-25"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>6\nOnly when Christians try to control other people’s lives"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nWhen do they not?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>136\nChristians have the same persecution complex and chip on their shoulders as Jews. Endless neuroticism and whining, while dreaming about sending their enemies to hell. See the early church fathers, it's just an incel power fantasy."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nThat isn't what Jesus taught.\n\n>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,\nMatthew 5:44\n\nI love you. I don't focus on persecution, or complain about it. I understand that many will claim to be Christians, but will not be saved, for if they were saved, then they would not be filled with petty resentment and anxiety. Don't let the existence these people muddy your perception.\n\n>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’\nMatthew 7:21-23"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>127\n>Jesus of Nazareth\nwhy they call him Jesus of NAZARETH if was from Bethlem?"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>87\nYour God is a shoe?"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>133\nMy God is real."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>96\n>true in reality.\nYou don't get god-morality without a god, obviously"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>10\nThanks Hegel"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>8\nMajority of secular scholars agree Jesus existed you fucking retard"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\nWhat do historians have to say about some guy walking on water 2000 years ago?"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>35\nLmao this is obvious goalpost moving holy shit"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\nIf he didn't rise from the dead, isn't this universe's cause, and his name was something else, it isn't Jesus"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nHe did rise from the dead, He is God, and His name is Jesus.\nCope, seethe and dilate"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nThen you agree with my that some guy that did none of those things wouldn't be Jesus?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\nIf he's got nothing in common with Jesus it wouldn't be meaningful to equate the two. But even the imaginary \"historical Jesus\" of secular scholars has a great deal in common with the Lord."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey hate him because\n1. He thinks hedonism is Bad (Atheists need their funko pops)\n2. He hates prostitutes (anti sex work)\n3. He hates jews (Atheists are jewish bootlickers)\n4. He hates faggots (atheists are gay)\n5. He is based (atheists are onions and cringe)"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>26\nBasically because several sources wrote about him. Not first hand, there are no Roman records of Jesus, but because several people years after spoke of him, we can assume he likely existed.\n\nI mean, that's our basis for saying for saying most antiquity figures who we don't have first hand accounts on existing, so it's good enough for Jesus. That said, we can't 100% say he 100% existed and the bible and story of Jesus doesn't line up with figures we have primary sources on their locations and times. (Kings, Roman officials etc)"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\n>doesn't line up with figures we have primary sources on their locations and times. (Kings, Roman officials etc)\nThat's incorrect"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>153\nSome of Jesus' best friends were prostitutes"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>153\n>1. He thinks hedonism is Bad\n\nhe drank wine till wasted everyday\n>2. He hates prostitutes (anti sex work)\n\nhis best female friend was a whore\n\n>3. He hates jews (Atheists are jewish bootlickers)\n\nhe was jew\n\n>4. He hates faggots (atheists are gay)\n\nhe cured a faggot from aids\n\n>5. He is based (atheists are onions and cringe)\n\ni gree with this tho"}, {"id": 158, "content": "Too lazy to read the thread. Who is Him and why do atheists hate him?"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nHim is Jesus Christ\nathests hate Him because they're angry and frustrated"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>158\nJesus, Christians loves him because they are extremely needy"}, {"id": 161, "content": "Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>124\n>He is proof that mankind can overcome sin and indulgences\nPelagianism, you awful fucking heretic.\nChrist had no sin btw."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\n>Christ had no sin btw.\nWhat about his false prophecy?"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\nBorn of sinless virgin and sinless God. He had no inherited sin and never committed sin."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>2\ni dont even think he existed."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>164\nClaim A: Jesus prophecized the end of times would come within the lifetime of his disciples.\nProof: Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32.\n\nClaim B: It didn't happen.\nProof: Historical consensus.\n\nClaim C: Jesus was a false prophet.\nProof: Claim A, claim B and Deuteronomy 18:22.\n\nClaim D: Jesus deserved to die by biblical standards.\nProof: Claim C and Deuteronomy 18:20."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\n>within the lifetime of his disciples\nDo you have proof that all of those who heard him say that died? Checkmate."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>167\n>Do you have proof that all of those who heard him say that died?\nFor starters, Guiness World Records not having registered anyone who lived to be 1900 years old."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nDamn, you got me there."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>156\n>Some of Jesus' best friends were prostitutes\n>>157\n>his best female friend was a whore\n\nthres a difference between being friends and supporting it stupid niggerS"}, {"id": 171, "content": "Mary Magdalene was NOT a prostitute. Because she financially supported Jesus' ministry she probably was higher class than most of the NT characters.\nShe is only a prostitute in extra-scriptural lore because a pope identified her with the woman taken in sin, probably because Mary Magdalene was a highly revered figure in the rival sects of the gnostic movement."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>168\nDamn, I really like the idea that there's like one immortal guy out there somewhere waiting for Jesus to come back. Is he having the time of his life or bored out of his mind?"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>170\nthere's some contradiction in hating your friends"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>171\nDidn't Jesus like cast demons out of her? She was probably a schizophreniac or something"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>32\n>a man rose from the dead\nJesus being a real individual doesn't mean that the resurrection necessarily happened. The two concepts are mutually exclusive."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>175\nWhy would I want to be baptized if Christianity is false?"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like the character of Jesus\n\nHe seemed like a bro"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>176\nThat's mostly a you problem, it's not my job to help you figure out your faith."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>177\nhe was a commie"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>166\nAtheists have been destroyed on this so many times that this just counts as lies at this point."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\nNo they havent.\nEarly Christians were basically Jehovah Witnesses, thinking the end of the world was nigh. Then of course when the world didnt end, they damaged controlled by saying \"Jesus meant his resurrection\" or \"he meant the destruction of the temple\""}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>180\nZero is a big number for you?"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>181\n*citation needed*\n\nliterally any 1st or 2nd century Christian writer, I will wait"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\nMatthew, Mark and Luke"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>184\nyou just outed yourself as a pseud"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\nName a 1st century Christian writer than backs your position :^)\n*honk, honk*"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>183\nIs there some particular reason the default interpretation should be to read the text as something different that what it says?"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>183\n>We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:15-17)."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>181\nNice fanfiction"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan't hate someone that didn't exist."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>186\nwow it's the same thing I asked you, clownfaec"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>187\n>>188\n>>189\n>>unknown\nsad\n\nit can't find any relevant commentary"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\n>Paul isnt a 1st century Christian writer"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>193\nSaul never met the fictional rabbi Yeshua. It's like you writing about spider man."}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>194\nstrawman"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>195\nLearn what strawman means, Saul never met the rabbi, deal with it, underage LARPer."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>196\n>Saul never met the rabbi\nyou are literally strawmanning."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>197\nYou're literally retarded, show proof of them meeting."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>198\n>show proof of them meeting.\nthis isnt what the argument is about, you fucking moron."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>191\nI think it's a silly question\nPresumably you do not"}, {"id": 201, "content": "How is it at all surprising that early Christians would have some cope to make it so Jesus didn't literally make false prophecies in the Gospels?\nIt's nonsense to suggest they would go with a surface level reading of Mark 13:30\n\n>Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.\n\nYou seriously don't think they would have figured out this was a plot hole? ("}, {"id": 202, "content": "Why are there so many children in this thread who type like they just read a \"BASeD GrEEnteXt CompILAtioN!!!!11!!\" on reddit and then decided to come here."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecas no god, no punishments for sin.\n\nOR\n\nthey didnt believe as a kid, and they are in love with their own idea of whats true.\n\nD'you know what you love as a kid is like your religeon"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>26\nWas there a prophet called jesus who was crucified? Yes, most likely. There are extrabiblical sources for that\n\nWas this person in any way similar to the jesus of the bible? Definetly not. They are practically 2 different people, the actual real person called jesus likely only had a few things in common with the story that is the new testament."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>200\nyou presume much and think less"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>205\nDo you think it's fair for me to answer silly questions\nand you to evade the same questions?"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>201\nThey did, that's why Christcucks almost died out if not for Saul the Jew who hijacked it pushed it unto goyim."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>206\nI'm not the one with the claim ITT.\n\nYou are the dodging dodger without a single citation."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot true. I respect Jesus and believe that hes the greatest moral philosopher of all time. I just dont believe that magical sky daddies giving him magical powers exist."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>209\nSorry, I will not pay for your mutt downie children's life support."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>208\nI provided you the Bible, right? The authors of the NT agrees with me about Jesus being an apocalyptic prophet (and messiah)\n\nNow it's your turn. 1st century Christian authors who did not believe that Jesus would return, etc"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>209\n>the greatest moral philosopher of all time.\n>I allow myself to be abused, betrayed and tortured to death\n>and that's a good thi-ACK"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just want to sin real bad.\n\nIn actuality, without any religious fear based reasons, I live a relatively virtuous life. I don't fight, or steal, or lie, or do drugs. I spend time serving my friends/family because they tend to return the favor and that's part of having healthy relationships. I got one life, I want to spend it leaving a positive mark on the world, regardless of how insignificant. Doing such things out of fear is silly and mindless. I'm all about mindfulness in everything I do.\n\nThe biblical depiction of Jesus is a decent guy who had some bretty cool ideas. But I don't have to take anything on faith if I don't want to. Like the existence of his dad."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't hate him. They hate their parents who treated religion like a job."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>211\nderp"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you believe you're going to be meeting again in heaven after death then women that remarried would be meeting multiple husbands lmao"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe problem with what you are suggesting is that nobody is actually married in Heaven, except in a new sense, fully devoted to Christ, which some people say is equivalent to the old order of marriage. If people who were formerly married on Earth have a relationship type, it may as well be that of best friends, as the old order of marriage is superseded. It simply is no longer needed anymore in the Kingdom of Heaven, as the present age of reproduction ends. This is not something to feel bad about, but to understand that the world to come is greater than the one at present, and we will understand far more, and in ways we cannot presently comprehend, while still remaining individuals, defeating the desire to sin."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis canard is so old that even the bible addresses it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Wins the First World War for the Allies\nHeh, no worries mate"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Wins the First World War for the Allies\nThat is not what happened though"}, {"id": 3, "content": "ta, cobba"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think you have the wrong picture.\n>american flag.jpg"}, {"id": 5, "content": "when are you getting rid of the cuckstamp and replacing it with the abo flag?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tfw you will never be a kiwi\nWhy even live"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Get ordered to a beach in Turkey by Winston \"Fat Retard\" Churchill.\n>Meekly do as commanded despite the war being a farce you have nothing to do with.\n>Be the only force in the whole war to get defeated by the Ottoman Empires death-spasms (Even the fucking Arabs beat them)\n>Retreat having failed in all objectives and lost enough men to fill a thousand cemeteries.\n>\"Boy we sure showed them!\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThat's just the usual performance of British army."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nWe're not doing that. Two separate flags for a reason. The national flag is the colonial flag."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How different would history have turned out if Jeb Bush had won his governor race in 1994 in Florida while George loses in Texas? Could Jeb have been the nominee in 2000 or would it have been someone else? And what would a Jeb presidency have looked like?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Low energy, sad!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would have been the same, the agenda was set before there was even a Republican candidate."}, {"id": 4, "content": "not much. McCain wins or loses in 2000 and nothing changes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not sure Jeb beats Gore. George was very likeable as a candidate in 2000."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI read there was a smear campaign against McCain, with anonymous phonecalls telling voters that he had a black child out of wedlock (it was actually his adopted daughter)... so maybe things wouldn't have been the same with him if they went to such lenghts to get him out of the picture."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Al Gore runs in 2000 still I and Jeb somehow wins the republican nomination, it'd be a slaughter. There's even the theory that the political squabbling shitshow up until January not existing might even stop 9/11 because Gore could start putting in new national security personnel"}, {"id": 8, "content": "He probably could have won the nomination given how weak the field was that year, though it's possible that McCain stops him or that he faces greater opposition from the right.\n\nGeneral election could go either way but slightly favors Gore, I think--Jeb is definitely a worse politician than George and fails the \"beer test\". He locks down Florida but that lets Gore allocate resources more efficiently towards other close states like New Hampshire. On the other hand, George would have won 2000 without the recount debacle if not for the leak that confirmed his DUI arrest in Maine in 1976--before that he was leading Gore in a bunch of states that he ultimately lost. Jeb wouldn't have had this issue."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey would have tried to make him the nominee in 2000, but I doubt it would have worked. Dubya had a kind of charisma and connected with the Republican base in a way that no candidate had since Reagan. \"Bush Country\" was a precursor to \"Trump Country\" in a lot of ways. Jeb has the personality of a cardboard box and would not be able to mobilize that kind of support."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is this so controversial?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGuy ok the left is wearing war armour where the guy on the right is basically in a civilian costume. Also they were probably the same except for hairstyles because the ancient Greeks preferred beards"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRight is drippy af"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLe 22% Greek face, el abomination la Turkey."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>two or three guns\n>like five swords of assorted size\n>civilian costume\nOne is ancient, the other is from the early modern or late medieval era with gunpowder in play. Metal armour became a lot less useful with guns around."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>left\n70% anatolian bvll, 15% indoeuropean steppenigger\n>right\n55% anatolian bvll, 30% indoeuropean steppenigger"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>left\nThe most Steppe-admixed people of the urbanized world.\n>right\nA going to extinction minority surpassed by much more northern people."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAnd the least Steppe-admixed people of Europe."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNow begone, darktroon.\n>of Europe\nHundred times less inhabitants than in Greek cities, not even counting the menagroids (without any WSH) that were surpassed by Greeks.\n>on Nordics\nHe's describing Thracians and kind of who had the same percent of WSH. The same was with Romans and spic-like Gauls."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBy steppe:\nGreeks < Italics < Iberians < north balkaners, gauls < germanics, britons < slavs < balts\nLess steppe, more civilized. In ancient world it is clearly."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>>7\n>>9\nmordvix posts"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI repeat, in times when Greece was the center of the world, all those\n>Italics < Iberians < north balkaners, gauls < germanics, britons < slavs < balts\nhave like 10000-30000 people combined, an utterly minor number. Though I also found our well-known Macedonians had twice WSH as Greeks.\n>>11\nBEGONE."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestern people cannot comprehend the fact that their foundation for civilization has descendants in the modern day."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n> Though I also found our well-known Macedonians had twice WSH as Greeks\nno samples from ancient macedonia, the samples from ancient north macedonians resemble balkaners, cause that's what they were\n\nboth did not resemble russians, mordvix"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nno one cares about your meme models ilya"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nyes, right is a steppe warrior, left is a an anatolian farmer guy"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeft one's identity is created by themselves\nRight one called themselves \"Roman\" until some intellectuals out of nowhere said \"bro, u Greek\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>le fogeigners invented Greece\nThe term Greek was used to describe the nation before even the 4rth crusade"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>>le fogeigners invented Greece\ndidnt said that, it was thanks to some autist intellectuals who were Greek. It is like neopagan LARP but even worser:\n>The movement of the Greek enlightenment, the Greek expression of the Age of Enlightenment, contributed not only in the promotion of education, culture and printing among the Greeks, but also in the case of independence from the Ottomans, and the restoration of the term \"Hellene\". Adamantios Korais, probably the most important intellectual of the movement, advocated the use of the term \"Hellene\" (Έλληνας) or \"Graikos\" (Γραικός) in the place of Romiós, that was seen negatively by him."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nBegone, goblin. No one cares about your whining."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nCope ilya"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>no arguments\ncommon mordvix L\nnone of those people even remotely resemble russians, manlet"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHalf Slav half anatolian mutts on the right"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nLeft one's identity wasn't the modern ethnonationalist conception of ancient greece, they were mostly poor illiterate peasants that couldn't care less about ethnic identity, that's a modern concept"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>>22\nHijra, don't bother me or I call Kshatriyas again.\n>>23\nScientifically confirmed, btw: >>4."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nBegone, crazy Russian from Asia, none of this has anything to do with you\n\n>>19\nMost identities are fake, ancient Greeks were brown mutts and the only reason we even know about their existence is because some anglo archeologist dug up some ruins"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>Hijra, don't bother me or I call Kshatriyas again.\nyou are mentally ill and no one understands what you're talking about\nand your garbage vahaduino models aren't scientific in any way shape or form lol\n\ndon't reply to me again rustroon\n\n>>26\n>Most identities are fake, ancient Greeks were brown mutts and the only reason we even know about their existence is because some anglo archeologist dug up some ruins\nthey weren't anything special, what came after, the germanic empires, were much more influential for the world"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nYes, this is the real redpill, ancient Greeks shouldn't be worshipped"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>Most identities are fake, ancient Greeks were brown mutts and the only reason we even know about their existence is because some anglo archeologist dug up some ruins\nalso, Romans"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>>27\n>>28\n>>29\nRetarded hijra, you're just mad. Nobody trusts your samefagging."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nYes, similar argument for them"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nthe whole concept of assuming ancient greeks=good is a legacy of stuck up anglo elites wanting to find something exotic to worship, it's not much different from modern elites worshipping black people, and not much different from christians people worshipping the jew on a stick and pretending jesus was white\n\nsome people like this russian mutt (ironically, since those siberian admixed mutts are even less related to the ancient greeks than some random mena shitskin from lebanon) completely fell for this and worship these literal ancient brown people"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nnope, what i wanted to say is Romans is one of the primary source for Greeks and actually many \"Greek\" statues are Roman copies\nRomans were not a local civilisation that nobody knew about, everyone and their father knew Rome"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nbut it was the anglos that dug up shitty roman ruins and discovered that this roman civilization existed in the first place and that these romans also copied greeks, they imitated their art, their pedophilia, their homosexuality for example"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>and discovered that this roman civilization existed in the first place\nnope, existence of Roman empire was well known in medieval Europe and Roman sources were also known and Roman-Lafin copies of Greek works were used as primary sources until renaissance."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>unknown\nTrue and based, anon, I can't even understand why she has any hope. Kshatriyas will enter Michigan and rape her."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nRomonkeys and Greeks were ancient brown homos and I'm glad my based vandalic ancestors destroyed their cities"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nthe romans were known as some random ancient civilization like many others\nanglos made them known worldwide, unfortunately\n\n>>37\nthis is how every germanic man should feel\nthis is how we heal our identities"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>>38\nWow, she's so desperate now! She used to larp as them all the time but now she's just broken."}, {"id": 40, "content": "She hates le Anglos very much because they were those who helped Brahmins put her hijra abbo ancestors to reservations and starve them there."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>the romans were known as some random ancient civilization like many others\nManuscripts of Bello Gallico was circulated among medieval monasteries and existence of Roman Empire was known around medieval as known by everyone trying to revive it including HRE"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>11\nWho is this?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nThe owner. Goblin slayer."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nSome gay Russian that uses weird indian words"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>35\n>Manuscripts of Bello Gallico was circulated among medieval monasteries and existence of Roman Empire was known around medieval as known by everyone trying to revive it including HRE\nno one cares about that, the average person didn't care\n\nyou were condition since birth to worship ancient greeks and jesus, you are a mental slave to brown people\nyou worship ancient brown men\n\nour ancestors easily crushed their empires and built something much better, something so influential like the industrial revolution that you don't need history books to know about it, we created the modern world, my ancestor's influence is all around you"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause it's true.\nsuccess breeds jealousy."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nan east russian manlet mutt that thinks he's an ancient greek"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>>45\n>our ancestors\nThey're still in a reservation, hijra. A bloody massacre awaits your village for your shitting here."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>no one cares about that, the average person didn't care\nso we went from \"nobody knew until Anglos came up\" to \"I DONT CARE! LALALALALA!\"?\n>you were condition since birth to worship ancient greeks and jesus, you are a mental slave to brown people\nI am not even white\n>you worship ancient brown men\nHow so\n>our ancestors easily crushed their empires and built something much better,\nMy country is a shithole\n>something so influential like the industrial revolution that you don't need history books to know about it, we created the modern world, my ancestor's influence is all around you\nschizo momento?\ni just wanted to day medieval people did knew about Roman empire and Caesar.\nAnd no, Shakespeare was also popular among commoners and his plays often utilised Roman era implying they and a commoner knew Romans"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nBased and mercifully, anon. It will be a redeem for those poor dalits."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>unknown\nThe guy that spams contextless pics of random Greek era art is here\n\nAncient Greeks were gay and brown and people are getting redpilled about it, there's nothing you can do to stop it"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>so we went from \"nobody knew until Anglos came up\" to \"I DONT CARE! LALALALALA!\"?\nno we went from nobody even knew about the romans except for a few people until some bored anglo popularized it, to nobody even knew about the romans except for a few people until some bored anglo popularized it\n\nif you are not white (northwestern european, russmutts are not white and are not related to us) this doesn't concern you\ngreek and roman worship must be destroyed"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>5\nYeah that’s what I’m saying. Because of guns civilian outfits weren’t that different from military outfits"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nYes we must teach about the goths, the vandals and such, not Greek homos"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nthe modern greek guy would destroy that barefooted faggot on the left in a fair fight"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\n>>55\nShe's trying so hard but nobody trusts her or even reads her babble. Even pure Anatolians and Levantines are way whiter than you, hijra. You're a literal ape."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nkek, probably yes, modern greeks are basically violent albanians and bulgarians in denial"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nare you mentally ill?\nI am asking for serious, why did you pulled Russians out of your ass?\nI am Turkish."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nLmao at least they ain't faggots"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\ntrue that, being an albo bulgarian is still better than being a fag like that ancient greek dude"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\n>why did you pulled Russians out of your ass?\nthe russian mutt mordvix is here, seething real hard, thats why"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\n>I am Turkish.\nand you mostly learn about ottoman history i assume, the greek history curriculum is mostly about greek history, the italian one is mostly about roman history, the american history lessons are mostly about the foundation of the us and the civil war\nnorthwestern european history curriculums should be mostly about northwestern european history and nothing beigie romans and greeks"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nGreeks were ancient brown mutts even Bulgarians are Nordic compared to them"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nany sane germanic man should always side with the whitest and most steppe rich population"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tfw our mere existence causes this much butthurt and envy\ndamn it feels good"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>42\nMentally ill subhuman who was banished from russian board 2ch"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nkek, cute twink"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">she keeps larping and whining\nWe will teach her some day."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown\nhe does it again as i said here >>51\nancient greeks were brown kys"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>left\nproduced warriors that conquered most of the known world\n>right\nproduced boytoys for turkish pederasts"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>unique and distinctly Western\n>common easterling look\nwhy did they change themselves to immitate turks?"}, {"id": 72, "content": "They are empirically not. Where are their cities? Their gymnasis? Their agon? Their hoplites? Their colonies? Their reason?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>27\nCoping inbred angloid\nHow’s your queen"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>5\n>early modern or late medieval era\ngreeks still dressed like that in the mid 1800s"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust vainposting so you can have a bump. But that pan-European swashbuckler aesthetic of the 15th century and onwards is quite possibly the most soulful aesthetic ever conceived. I admire the Greeks for successfully incorporating some designs from their roach oppressors and making it even more soulful in their own way, as expected."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nThey are not the same"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI-Is that a culture changing due to political, technological and cultural influences? OOOOOHHH IM GOING INSANE\nSAVE ME DRUMPF"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nCope, seethe and dilate good sir."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nBetter import more Albanians, they will do the jobs that Hellenics won't."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>5\n>Metal armour\nThe what now? The guy in pic is clearly wearing a linothorax."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModern greek will never acept that he is a Serbo-Turkish mutt."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nModern turkroach will never acept that he is a Greek-Armenian mutt"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nArab armenian mutt to be precise,with touch of greek i must agree with you,would even go as far to say that turks have more ancient greco-roman DNA than modern \"Greeks\"."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nEven syrians and iraqis are barely arab."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven if more Slavic or Anatolian admixture was introduced (they had a lot of Anatolian present anyway) they are still descended from the ancient Greeks too. They also live in the same place and speak the same language. If they had to be 100% genetically the same, then no euro is descended from these ancient populations. Brits don’t have Boudicca. French don’t have Vercingetorix. Germans don’t have Arminius. Etc."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nSaudis aren't real arabs though"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>80\nHelmets and greaves are armour too, anon."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">you are an armenian\n>you are a turk\n>you are a bulgarian\n>you are an albanian\n>you are serbo-croatian mutt\n>you are an alboriginal\n>you are an alien from andromeda's pussy\nHellene makes everyone seethe: the thread"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\nThose are saudis from najran"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nYou are a mix of all those"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth worship babylonians."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nkek"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>78\nYou will never be an early modern buff"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>47\n>>42\n>Who is this?\n>an east russian manlet mutt that thinks he's an ancient greek\nA Russian autistic incel from Kamchatka who spends all time on 4chan making shitposting anti-south European and anti-India hate threads. He larps as a Yamnaya or Corded Ware warrior despite looking like a central asian mongoloid admixed irano-afghan mediterranean mutt. He is mostly a Tatar admixed Saami according to G25"}, {"id": 95, "content": "People, especially nordics, feel insecure due to their past being mostly barbaric. They thus need to wewuzz hellenes, egyptians, hell, even mongolians and even bloody mesoamericans. Balkanite slavs will often aid them. I say this as a non-hellene too, im just being objective."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>84\nSyrians and Iraqis have higher CHG, Iran Neolithic, EHG and EEF admixtures than Gulf Arabs. Levantines are more like more Iranians/Caucasian and negroid admixed south Europeans. Gulfies and Bedouins have around 50% Natufian."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\n>she's still here\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"}, {"id": 98, "content": "nice thread bros"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">10 years ago, you sent into oblivion so much energy, so much youth, so much enthusiasm, and so much love of our country. To impose your world on us, you killed, maimed, tortured, kidnapped, bombed, banished etc.\n\n>Since 2 February 1990, your government echoes what we have said and practised since 1956, that you are committed to a non-racist democracy. That apartheid is dead. (We heard that before) Unbanning the ANC, is an admission that your banning in March 1960 was wrong. It was a mistake.\n\n>Your embrace of a non-racial democracy goes further and says that we were correct in our vision for South Africa. By inference all actions against us during this period were wrong.\n\n>The laws passed to hound, nay, annihilate us were wrong. Those ANC members executed might still be alive. Those killed in preventative detention would be alive today had you not banned our non racist ideas for South Africa. All the killing of anti - apartheid activists would not have happened. That three year old Katryn Schoon would be alive had you not sent the bomb to her mother Jenni. All the education statutes to keep us ethnically stunted were wrong. The parcelling of our country into tribal homelands and reservoirs of cheap labour was wrong. So much of all the taxpayers' money used to prop up the racism of a few. Such wastage and mind blowing corruption.\n\nhttps://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/document-17-groote-schuur-minute"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Of course to expect you to apologise for what your apartheid policies did would be expecting too much. Your religious upbringing and training lacks the humility to say - I AM SORRY, unlike the church which nurtured you.\n\n>I have shown you the men, women and children your men killed on 9 December 1982. These were some of the best advocates of democracy.\n\n>Apartheid must be put to rest. It must be buried so deeply that no chance be given to it to rear its ugly head ever again.\n\n>If you love our country then you must know that unless justice is had for all her citizens, peace will be an illusion.\n\n>Too many people have died for a non racist democracy in our country. I have focused on the massacre in Lesotho only. But the list is long and the killing is still with us today.\n\n>I hope with their lives I have penetrated yours and made you think.\n\n>With time you may come to understand and we will learn to trust each other. Our country cries out for peace and peace will not come out of the barrel of your gun. You proved that on 2 February 1990. It will come when we have established a just society for all the people of our beautiful country. There is no other way.\n\n>We owe it to our comrades who were massacred in Lesotho, to dead and dying comrades everywhere. We owe it to our young men who were lead to believe that apartheid had to be \"protected, with all the fire-power at your disposal and who died in its pursuit. We owe it to the people of Lesotho whose lives are so intimately linked with ours.\n\n>We must succeed now."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are German fairy tales for children like this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy's everyone in France black"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is one of their only redeeming features"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Ze little boy sucked hiz thumb, then his thumb was schnippedy-schnappedy off with ze garden shears"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTHE STORY OF THE RATCATCHER OF HAMELIN IS RELATES A HISTORICAL EVENT THAT HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A LEGEND; IT IS NOT A «FAIRYTALE»."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n\n>THE STORY OF THE RATCATCHER OF HAMELIN [...] RELATES A HISTORICAL EVENT THAT HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A LEGEND; IT IS NOT A «FAIRYTALE»."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">facial reconstructions be like: let me arrange this hairs just like this and..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKhachi whispers in a nutshell"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStill shocks me how much a layer of hair can change a face"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIs not that bad"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Inb4: jannies will delete this thread too while letting christcucks to shit the board"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Joan of arc was ethnically German and I'm sick of pretending otherwise\n\nGermans are the lions of Europe they are undefeated\n\nTheir technology is the best their scientists are the best, they cucked every other European country into submission\n\nAnd there's nothing you can do about it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe was french and a little swarthy goblin at it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nUm no sweetie she was a German lion of Europe"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nShe was depicted as a black eyed and black haired little witch burnt by anglos"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe Japanese described the Portuguese as goblins\n\nYou can't take first contact descriptions literally, anglos had probably never seen a real lion of Europe before because they were trapped on their rainy little island"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNo i mean her french contemporqries depicted her as a little black eyed black haired little gremlin. Anglos just burnt her"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey were seething obviously they would lie they have no honor"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Joan of arc was ethnically German\n>Random peasant girl from fucking Orleans\n>Proud Germanic stock\nI mean, there's people swearing Jesus was white, this isn't much more deranged than that.\nPls tell us how she was linked to the Confederates, and how they would have won with her as an artillery officer."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">Napoleon was ethnically German and I'm sick of pretending otherwise"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Germans are the lions of Europe they are undefe-ACK!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJoan was swarthy, short, black-haired and dark-eyed. She was gallo-roman."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I had a professor in college--cool guy--who was adamant that the Portuguese had discovered the Americas in the 1450s or earlier and even set up trading posts in modern Brazil, but deliberately covered it up for decades so the other Europeans wouldn't know. Is there any evidence for this?\n\nNo, he was not Portuguese. From Bermuda, actually."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are a lot of portuguese in bermuda"}, {"id": 3, "content": "meu deus the castillians have found sex world"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf he didn't provide any evidence then it's schizo rambling.\nThey shouldn't be making baseless claims in a lecture and no one questioning it."}, {"id": 5, "content": "sounds plausible but i'd want some evidence, even if it's just \"portugal got some resources out of nowhere\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasque fishermen at the time told of things far out at sea that indicated land nearby. Birds and winds. I don't believe the portuguese knew anything anyone else didn't. They were ultimately cucked out of most of the land in the Treaty of Torsedillas"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is supposed to be the pharaoh of Egypt.\n\nWhen did people begin to depict the people of the past differently from themselves?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "nigher you honestly think a dude from like 11th century France would have been intimately familiar with ancient Egyptian garb?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe morgan bible was more of a collage of artists bouncing around between the outremer and europe\nI somewhat expected pharaoh to be depicted like an arab"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Gid create sin if He hates it so much?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "you know, as a joke"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis whole world literally exists because God wants to rape, murder, abuse and dominate people. God is not good he's the source of all evil and the reason why people behave evilly. He believes evil is necessary for him to be the sole-enjoyer of reality because he enjoys doing evil things to people and abusing them whereas he abuses me if I even think about things he considers \"evil\" like being attracted to women with dark hair, or eating cheesebugrers/corn chips, or going to college, or being attractive, or anything involving the ocean or maritime settings, or anything involving anything beautiful in nature, or wearing nice clothes, or having a nice house, etc. I get abused for literal private thoughts and fantasies in my brain that I don't share with anyone because he's a retarded sadist who doesn't value free will at all because freedom of the mind is the most absolutely basic freedom that is a prerequisite for having any other kind of freedom. My mind gets violated every second of every day and God abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens me if I think about literally anything he considers desirable including things as petty as plain corn chips, women with hair colors darker than blonde or red, or the solid color blue. I am an eternal victim because God forces me to reincarnate eternally as the frame of reference and sole-sufferer of reality, the only persistently real person in reality who God dominates and abuses eternally through his temporarily manifested bodies that aren't constrained by the same material limitations as me, all of them violating my mind, sharing the same mind with each other, united in opposition to me, capable of appearing or disappearing at will, not requiring sleep, not having to react to physical stimuli, bodies ability to function not tied to their physical health/anatomy, not affected by harmful stimuli, etc."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nanyways, enough about lucifer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok /his/ first, you pay me for mine drunkenness\n\nAlso you humanities and history. Les go talk to a real National Socialist\n\n>Ok (...) Doctor Of The Church you must heed me in any state or either improve to it\n>I ban you, you will not me"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://www.qwant.com/?client=brz-brave&t=videos&q=vienna+ultravox&o=0%3AxJeWySiuq1I\n.Things I recognise lightly w/I drank\n\nYou need the fuhrer and so here I is"}, {"id": 3, "content": "who let bro cook? :skull:"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Name a more kino revivally than the one between the New York Central and Pennsylvania Railroads"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Filipinos so buck broken they're perpetually in love with their OG pimp.\nCan't make this shit up."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nOP is a faggot. Very few people in the Philippines thinks about the Spanish."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I will never be English or north American and only deal with the indigenous people after I've taken fat profits\nWhy even live"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou can still score a Filipina regardless. They're that easy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>yfw modern Flips are Weeaboos, Koreaboos, or Westaboos of varying degrees\nRight, it's even worse."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts out of context.\n\nThe people who said this were usually leaders of the First Philippine Republic of 1898-1902 that the Americans destroyed. They never forgave the Americans for what they did so they spent the remainder of their lives trolling the American Insular Government. One of their favorite methods was to say \"the Spaniards were better at X.\" It always got the Americans as 100% of the American colonial rhetoric in the Philippines was \"we're doing things better.\"\n\nThe greatest troll of them was the 1st president himself Emilio Aguinaldo. After the Americans deposed him in 1902, he spent his elderly years doing the ff:\n>Refused to speak English (despite fluency in the language). Americans had to talk to him in Spanish or Tagalog.\n>Raised the Philippine flag in his home (made illegal by Americans from 1902-1919)\n>Praised Pancho Villa's raids on US border states.\n>in WW1, praised Germany's efforts vs. the Anglo-Americans.\n>Ran for President in 1935 again with the promise of Immediate Independence.\n>Attended the Manila funeral mass of the Spanish King Alfonso XII0 the same monarch he rebelled agains- and told reporters that \"the Spaniards at least didn't treat us as captive markets for their industries\" and making a show of reconciliation with Spanish local leaders.\n>In WW2, cooperated with the Japanese occupation and played a leading role in changing the American public school curriculum by allowing the Philippine American to be taught in history classes (banned since 1902) and made native languages the main medium of instruction instead of English.\nAnd he even got away with the last one lul, he wasn't even tried by the Manila War Crimes Trials as a collaborator."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhy didn't they do the same to the Japanese? Is it because they were honest about their pillaging and raping?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI don't want them I want their treasure and fat profits"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nBecause many of the First Philippine Republic were buddies with Japs since the Meiji Period. One of them even went to Japan to secure advisors and weapons for Filipino Guerrillas continuing to resist the Americans in 1901-1907.\n\nSome changed their opinions after the Carnage of WWII, but the hardcore Pan-Asianists pretty much wanted to use them vs. Influence."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nAguinaldo was actually the most moderate out of all the Filipino revolutionaries. He treated Spanish Prisoners very well and actually advised soldiers under him not to harm any Spanish civilians and Priests who were not fighting them.\n\nUnlike his contemporary Bonifacio, who literally planned to massacre all the Spaniards in Manila until his plan backfired."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMost of the elite nationalists wanted the Philippines to emerge as a sane liberal republic while poor nationalists saw it as a race/class war."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nBonifacio just needed two more weeks, pare."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n18/96 race war now"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nTo think the country was a few battles away from becoming Haiti 2.0 Guess a broken clock can be right sometimes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Religion and science are two sides of the same coin, each motivating the other. Why do many believe them to be in opposition?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do many believe them to be in opposition?\natheist scientists invented their own religion, and implemented it into schools to indoctrinate people with their wordly religion instead of spiritual ones"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they hate God"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPregnant Men came from a religious society (the USA) though?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan sky jew make a man get pregnant?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt started with the Protestant Reformation and found its fulfillment in the \"Enlightenment\". For 1000 years, faith and reason stood together in the Church."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>everything is a religion."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy does this trigger you so much? Trans men can get pregnant.\nSex and gender being separate concepts isn't that hard to grasp. Here's an analogy:\n\nJock is a social category based on guys on sports teams and what we stereotype their behavior as. But to be perceived socially as a jock you don't have to be on a sports team or used to have been.\nSame goes for gender: \"man\" and \"woman\" are social categories based on what people think the male and female sex act like, and social proscriptions for what they \"should\" do. But that doesn't mean that to identify as that social category you have to have the sex typically associated with it.\n\nAlso, let's be clear, this whole debating the use of language really obscures the real dispute:\n\nConservatives want to restrict people's freedom to change their body, wear the clothes they like if it's outside the norm, and enforce rigid gender roles onto each sex.\n\nPro-LGBT people like myself want people to have freedom to express their individuality by changing their body if they want to, wear the clothes they want to, and do away with rigid gender roles.\n\nThat's what this is about. It's not about linguistics. Linguistics is just the battle field. You want to define trans people out of existence. It's become an anti-trans talking point to even deny that \"trans\" is a thing, let alone that they are a woman/man. Instead they say \"someone brainwashed by trans ideology\".\nI know you know that language is malleable, and you guys actively try to manipulate it to your ends:\n\n>Richard Mast of Liberty Counsel separately advised the group to avoid saying the words transgender, cisgender, or non-binary. “Using them surrenders the language,” Mast wrote. “If the other side’s language frames the debate, we lose.”\nhttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/anti-trans-transgender-health-care-ban-legislation-bill-minors-children-lgbtq/"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou will never be a real woman."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n> USA\n> Religious Society\nLmao. Are you talking about Salt Lake City?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The historic and scientific literature say that tattoos are not necessarily a mark of low intelligence and income. Why do people think otherwise?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I’ve never conceived of an image that I liked enough to permanently engrave on my skin. Why not just wear a graphic t-shirt or something lmao."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>he admits to being an uncreative unartistic inarticulate npc who cant create something on his body canvas"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack people"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">basedjak tattoos exist"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of the people without tattoos are usually the same ones who don't do drugs and try to live moral lives. You will find exceptions, of course, but that is where the popular opinion comes from."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who died, came alive again after his corpse would have begun to stink and now lives in the sky?\n\nAnd you believe this because a story from the late first century said so?\n\nWell that settles it! Nobody could possibly make up a story about shit that didn't happen!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You will never be a woman"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhttps://youtu.be/DuaPedGhu3g [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>now lives in the sky\nNo! He's coming to Earth, just wait two more weeks!\n>>2\nJewsus will never return."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nNobody in this thread was talking about women?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>No! He's coming to Earth, just wait two more weeks!\nThe original christcucks believed he was going to return and establish a jew kingdom and resurrect all the dead jews from the ground. There was no heaven. It was only after that failed to happen that they coped and said it was really a jew kingdom in the sky."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">I have come to give you the free gift of salvation\n>All you have to do is accept it\n>And follow all these rules I set down\n>And choose the right version of my religion\n>And read the correct translation of my book\n>And attend church every Sunday\n>And give 10% of your income-\n\nThen it's not a free gift."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow many more threads are you going to make?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Mom I posted it again"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Then it's not a free gift\nNo it's not, evangelicals are full of shit and can't be treated seriously."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is southeast asian history so underdiscussed?\n\nThe only places that seem to get blown off more that had urban civilizations are Mesoamerica and the Andes"}, {"id": 2, "content": "because it's irrelevant"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only things that matter are world war 2, the kikes and us history\n\nGet used to it"}, {"id": 4, "content": "because those retards didn't bother to document most of their own history"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If i had a time machine first thing I'd do is smash this faggot's head against the pavement untill all that remained between my hands and the concrete was a thin bloodied pulp of compressed bones and brains about the thickness of a dishwashing sponge"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwouldn't that change history so much that you would not exist anymore? that would be a paradox which makes it impossible for you to kill him"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 4, "content": "seething"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWithout marx;\n>Hitler wouldve remained a painter\n>Some other socialist would take his place without the revolution fantasies\n>Socialism wouldn't be linked with mass murder\n>Russia would've been a democracy\n>China wouldn't have lost its dynastic past and 55 million people\n>You wouldn't have to hear trannies on the UNI defend genocides\n>Billions wouldn't have died\n\nAll at the cost of 1 seething atheist hiloni kike"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn all likelihood Marx was a capitalist shill and controlled opposition so you'd gain nothing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "are the biological differences between women and men overstated? humans are born undifferentiated"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZAMN look at that cake"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHumans have sexual dimorphism that can be compared to that of orangutans. We as humans shave beards and can distinguish a man from a woman without them, but if aliens came to observe humans they would easily confuse beardless men with women.\n\nAlso, fashions has a strange habit of naturally reafirming gender roles.\nThree examples;\nThe romans saw silk as effeminate at first, but with time thicker silk was for men and thinner silk for women\nMedieval europeans saw stockings as manly, yet with time they became an undergarment for women and men abandoned them entirely\nAt the beginning of the 20th century women wearing pants were seen as transvestites, but now tight pants/leggings are exclusively worn by women and loose pants are worn by men.\n\nMan and woman are different down to the mind. Women have smaller brains so their braincells are more compressed and able to quickly relate things, were as men can more comfortably remember long processes piece by piece. Things like the wideness of the hips are not defining"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>humans are born undifferentiated\nFalse, sexual differentiation occurs at the moment of conception, when the DNA from the father combines with the DNA from the mother."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nscientifically wrong"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nsex isn’t determined at conception\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\natheist brainrot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nDoesn't it happen before with the sperm having different chromosomes?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nExceptions to the norm"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>are the biological differences between women and men overstated\nThey're understated.\n\n>humans are born undifferentiated\nThey aren't."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nYes it is. The fact that defective people exist doesn't change it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\nWhat the hell are they teaching in schools these days? Also I'm not an atheist.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">this day in 1945 the Italian partisans liberated Italy from the Nazi-fascists\n\nmay God bless them"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFUCKING KIKES ENJOY BEING RAPED BY REFUGEES"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCalm down chud"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nmental illness"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">permantly impoverishes all of the balkans\nWas it based?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bbc"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like balkanoid cope desu."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe longer the Turks ruled the worse it was afterwards\nBut yeah, being ruled by the country that produced not a single great scientist, composer or other similar great man was probably not really bad"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n“Literacy” was always the most basic tool of totalitarian propaganda. If you are not literate you can't be fed communist propaganda."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Appeal to Tradition\nAppeal to Novelty\nWhich do you choose?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "My ancestors weren't no Greek homos"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI prefer actual tradition, not modern forgeries."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This fucker killed more than 12 times more people than hitler without ever being so much as slandered and we still don't invade china to liberate it from communism because muh balance of powers and muh nukes"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThen maybe Hitler shouldn't have disrupted the balance of power and maybe he should've had some nukes."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Fake News"}, {"id": 4, "content": "asians aren't human"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>without ever being so much as slandered\nWhat? Everyone calls Mao a cunt\nDifferent with Hitler is that Hitler wanted to take over other countries, Mao just wanted to turn China into a shithole.\n\nXi Jinping is the next Hitler"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was based"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This fucker killed more than 12 times more people than hitler without ever leaving evidence"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis thread proof enough of slander"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he didn't.\nLike where does the 80 million number even come from?\nThe GLF has a death rate was 25.4:1000 from 10:1000, so only little over double the death rate achieve in the mid 1950s. That said, India was 24:1000 and Hong Kong had areas that were 32:1000.\nThere is no demographic data that shows 80 million missing from China."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nTPBP"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>being this devastatingly ignorant about history\nMaybe grab a book instead of a memegram?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Because no one actually cares. Hitler is only slandered for political reasons,"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWould you prefer 80 million dead Chinks or 80 million dead Americans?\n\nAlso the Japs tried regime change in China and that endeavor's ultimate conclusion was the total destruction of their empire."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Why would we invade China to liberate it from a maniac who hasn’t ruled there in like 45 years?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhere did this number come from"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n800 million dead mutts"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe didn't kill 80 million people, 60 million retarded Chinese peasants caused a famine by lying to the government about production numbers\n\nBig difference"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Humans lose value by the same process as money. Chinese casualty rates are naturally uninteresting due to the higher Chinese population. This is objectively true and liberals become increasingly deluded trying to deny it. European WW2 casualties are significant because Europeans are high value, Asian casualties are insignificant because Asians are low value and lack individuality."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>mao killed a gajillion people\n>also china saw massive growth and there were no significant revolts\nlol"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>what is the famine of gaunxi and tibetan revolt and dam failure?\n\nfucking retard"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>famine of guanxi\nWhat, are you relying on RFA for that one?\n>https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-cultrev-04292016134149.html\nShit like this?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nChina saw massive growth after Mao died and Deng reversed his policies though\nThe Chinese economic miracle happened in the late 1970s, after his death and the imprisonment of the Gang of Four Maoists who wanted to continue his policies.\nThere was massive revolts too. The fucking cultural revolution was a civil war."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nhttps://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%E5%B9%BF%E8%A5%BF%E6%96%87%E9%9D%A9%E5%B1%A0%E6%9D%80\n\nno. but keep coping, mao-tard"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>80 mil this or 80 year that?\n> This must definitively equal 800 mil"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nLol.\nDid you read the references on that one?\nIts the same as the English article for the most part.\nRadio Free Asia, NYT, WaPo. Its written by Americans."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObviously you forgot why we entered WW2 in the first place. It was to assist our trade partners in Europe by restoring the balance of power before the Nazis. You forgot that Nazi Germany was in the business of carpet-bombing Britain, our most important trading and diplomatic ally. They had also conquered France and were threatening to conquer whatever else they could find. Germany was an important trading partner too, but not more important than the rest combined. Most importantly, you seem to ignore how we avoided entering the war for three years because \"beating Hitler\" wasn't a strong enough rationale.\n\nI know it's common these days to idolize Hitler, but at least Mao didn't turn an entire continent into a bombed-out shithole."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>20\n>muh 80 gorillion famine deaths\n\nSo like every few decades in Chinese history for about 1000 years?\nAny reason in particular why you only care about the Maoist part?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Invade China to liberate it from Communism\nDo you really want to fight a land war in China?\n\n>>13\nFew knew what the Japanese were trying other than it was, what was mean to be a border dispute to secure their Manchurian colony, blown out beyond their depths."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nYou entered WW2? I didn't realize we had 90 year old Americans on this board."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>because muh balance of powers\nThis is the only reason why. You can see it with Spain, no one cared about the fascists until they fucked with the balance of powers."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>19\n>there were no significant revolts\nDidn't Mao literally get ousted from power until he took it back with the cultural revolution?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell if Hitler and Nazi Germany stuck around to become the largest country on earth with an enormous economy and an industrial base that basically supplies the entire world with cheap goods, then I suppose the West would've been much more lenient on and forgiving of him.\n\nIn the end, as always, it all comes down to money."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid he kill jews?\nNO\nTherefore - not an argument"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\n>The Chinese economic miracle happened in the late 1970s\nNo it mostly picked up steam in the 90s which is when Deng's reforms became full blown"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nHe jailed a bunch of Jews who joined the CCP early on during the cultural revolution"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>learns about realpolitik for the first time\nAdditionally it's much easier to dispute the responsibility for deaths by famine than deaths by gas chamber or rifle. Even if those famine deaths can confidently be attributed to government policy rather than natural factors, it's even harder to distinguish incompetence from malice.\nAlso he mostly kept to his own country as others have mentioned."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nMistakes were made, but as long as jews weren't killed, no crime against humanity occurred. Jews are humans according to the Talmud, while everyone else is an animal."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe did nothing wrong.\nLife is onions and cringe.\nDeath is trad and based.\nKill all lifenigers."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>28\nCarpet bomb the insect chinks and invasion of China should be a breeze. Also, destroy the yellow river dams too, will help the environment too with less Chinese"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAm I supposed to care about chink lives?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>9\n>Like where does the 80 million number even come from?\ndo you really expect /pol/cels to actually cite real numbers?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a bunch of dead nonwhites\nLmao who cares I hate shitskins\n>a bunch of dead nonwhites, killed by communists\nNOOOOOOOOTHIS IS BAD IM VOTING DEMOCRAT POC NEED TO BE PROTECTED\n\n\nwho's the show for?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nChina would simply eradicate all life in your country before you are able to succeed in any of that"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did this site suddenly flip from anti-commie to pro-commie? Is it because chuds realized Stalin didn't like fags?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommie astroturfing"}, {"id": 3, "content": "russian bots"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not pro commie but I am anti america"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Suppose humans became machines within years through the building of artificial intelligence.. This artificial intelligence absorbs most of humanity through subtle methods. Would you endorse it? Why or why not? And what's your religion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>within years\nnot my problem"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Apologize"}, {"id": 2, "content": "There, by the grace of God, goes God"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSorry, whos picrel tho?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\naverage guillotine enjoyer"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly after you let me do something incredibly lewd to you, Maxime-senpai..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Get a booster shot, incel."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Only totally degenerate, unpatriotic sick fucks can have sexual thoughts about pure, Incorruptible Maxime!\nHow could anyone get off to the idea of removing Maxime’s glasses so he can’t run off, force-feeding him half a bottle of laudanum and telling him that he’s a bastard, a Rousseau-fancying autistic bastard, and you’re going to make him your little bitch, then removing his clothes and licking his tiny body all over, nibbling his neck and kissing his adorable little nipples? Only a heartless monster would think about his cute small mouth and tongue wrapped around a thick cock slick with his saliva, pumping in and out of his mouth until it erupts, the cum more than his little throat can swallow.\n\nThe idea of thick viscous semen overflowing, dribbling down his chin over his flat chest together with the blood from his nose, his tiny hands scooping it all up and watching him suck it off his fingertips is just horrible. You're all a bunch of sick libertines, thinking of spreading his slender thighs, cock poised at the entrance to his pure, tight, virginal boipussi, and thrusting in deep as a whimper escapes his lips which are slippery with cum, while his small body shudders from having his fatal purity taken in one quick stroke.\n\nI am disgusted at how you'd get even more excited as you lean over him, listening to his quickening breath, his embarrassed moans and gasps, while he futilely tries to keep quiet so Eleonore or Antoine don’t hear and kill you both, while you hasten your strokes, his laudanum-smelling breath warm and moist on your face and his flat chest, shiny with a sheen of fresh sweat, rising and falling rapidly to meet yours."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt is truly nasty how you'd run your hands all over his compact body while you violate him, feeling his nipples hardening against your tongue as you lick his chest, his neck and his wig, savoring the scent of his skin and sweat while he trembles from the stimulation and as he reaches his climax, hearing him cry out softly as he has his first orgasm while that cock is buried impossibly deep inside him, pulsing violently as an intense amount of hot cum spurts forth and floods through his freshly-deflowered boipussy for the first time, filling his butt only to spill out of him with a sickening squelch. And as you lie atop his flushed body, he sighs breathlessly and his fingers dig into your back as he feels your cock hardening inside him again. ‘Oh no, p-please, stop… - pleads he, blushing deeply, - P-lease let me go, I have a 1000-word speech due tomorrow!’. You all should be put into a mental hospital just like de Sade and probably are Camille Desmoulins!\n\nt. Hilary Mantel, ‘A Place of Greater Safety’"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nWould be hot but I love the king too much, this faggot deserves torture room"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat dude should look at the sorry state of current France, where the inertia of good values from before the revolution has run out.\nWould he get Paris syndrome from watching this thirdworld city and feel remorse, or double down?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nLa taille de la pédale"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuck my big anglo cock"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Japan had had an additional fleet carrier(Zuikaku) and light carriers(Ryujō, Junyō, Zuihō, Hoshō) along with 4 fleet carriers, could Japan have won the battle of Midway?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Jared Diamond's thesis is true and blacks couldn't invent anything because their continent is bad, and whites invented everything because their continent is good, why are 96.5% of inventions in America today by whites and asians?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "because he's a jewish cope artist"}, {"id": 3, "content": "the 2016 black share is higher than the 2000 one"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause blacks are still an underclass with less access to education and generational wealth. I don't even buy Diamonds thesis, but the idea that blacks have a equal opportunity to be researchers and inventors is silly."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nEven controlled for socioeconomic factors, whites and asians outperform blacks on all relevant metrics. It has to do with intelligence.\n\nKeep wishing for a reality that doesn't offend your neoliberal religion, faggot."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nsocioeconomic factors affect intelligence."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nwe have dumped enormous amounts of welfare\nirish, italians, greeks, slavs didnt need as much and came from bad conditions as well\nniggerkikefaggot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Sahara was the biggest roadblock to African parity with the rest of the world. Not necessarily Diamond's all encompassing requirements for advancement. Even those could have been helped if not for that vast wasteland blocking it from everyone else's advancement. Or maybe Diamond says this too? Now I don't recall. Just Trade alone would have helped them greatly. Not at Euro levels, but they would have at least stuck in line with Arab and Egyptian worlds. They barely had agriculture and advanced metallurgy going on. Even Arabs managed better than that."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>1 (OP)\nlet's not even talk about chinks and pajeets"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nHave you ever stopped to think that you might have that backwards?\n\nEverybody likes to blame poverty for making people dumb, but nobody wants to be the one to say that dumb people just usually end up poor."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nYes and rich blacks are dumber than the poorest whites and asians. More violent to boot."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>>9\nWhy does this enlightenment to \"racial reality\" always seem to come with slurs and cursing?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>slurs and cursing\nDoesn't matter, stick to the topic. Thin-skinned guy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nbecause you deserved being called the lowly niggerkikefaggot that you are. niggerkikefaggot"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nIt probably does in some cases but we know for a fact that things like Nutrition, early education and other factors affect how you perform as an adult. A lot of poverty isn't so much a lack of intelligence but never learning the habits and social mores of the higher classes."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nyeah walmart closes down in chicongo because of racism. how profound"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>A lot of poverty isn't so much a lack of intelligence but never learning the habits and social mores of the higher classes.\nCompletely false. Pure pattern recognition, which is what classical IQ tests measure, correlate tightly with income in adulthood.\n\nBut then again, IQ correlates with being socially competent. Smarter people can read the social cues better while retards are more likely to showcase degrees anti-social behaviors."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\n>Even controlled for socioeconomic factors\nYeah sure faggot"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nMAJOR exception: people on the autism spectrum, especially people with Asperger syndrome."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nI've come across an analysis of several studies which claims each year of formal education increases IQ by 1-5 points. They considered the inverse and concluded that it wasn't the case. I make no claim as to the soundness of this analysis.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6088505/"}, {"id": 21, "content": "How can a South American walk thousands of miles through Dark Souls Rapemastered and end up in America with nothing but the clothes on their back and within a generation establish themselves as a middle income family unit, but an African American can't figure out how to move a mile out of the ghetto over the course of multiple generations?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nThe new /pol/tranny bots seem to shortcircuit at the first line of questioning regarding emotional use of slurs to get le rational racial realism across. Should contact the technician."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>an African American can't figure out how to move a mile out of the ghetto over the course of multiple generations?\nThey can. This is why ghetto cities have falling populations. The black people who can manage find work or get into college or save up enough money to move somewhere safer with better work prospects. Unfortunately the way US cities and infrastructure are built doesn't make this easy."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nBecause a white(usually conservative) employer hires them. Their children are born citizens on US-soil, who in turn get legitimate jobs and house their illegal parents/family.\nThat being said your supposition of:\n>can't figure out how to move a mile out of the ghetto\nIs just wrong, 42% of black people own their own home. This is terrible compared to white's 73% but hispanics only have a slightly better than black 45%. This is enough variance to be explained by targeted discrimination against natural-born blacks, which whether or not you want to believe it is a valid data point with evidence to back it up."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“Socio economic factors” is the new excuse liberals have to hand wave away everything"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>5\nPlease look up what neoliberalism is or stop using the word.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNeoliberalism is a leftist boogeyman."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>that's a boogeyman!\n\n>t. faggot who calls everything that doesn't line up with his views, \"leftism\""}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nCool projection, but leftist use “neoliberalism” as a conspiracy theory boogeyman. It’s always intentionally vague and can be applied to anyone and anything they don’t like, making it meaningless.\n\nWhenever you hear someone actually using that term seriously, they out themselves as an insufferable midwit who’s read a few things from Chomsky and takes it all at face value without a second thought."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>>27\n>>25\n>le librul leftishts"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nRight, they don’t have that opportunity because they’re systematically criminal and impulsive."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>20\nGenetically confounded. More intelligent people are in education for longer."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>25\n>new\nThey’ve been using it since the 60s, they were BTFO then and have been every year since."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>4\n>Because blacks are still an underclass with less access to education and generational wealth.\nWhy?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>5\n>It has to do with intelligence.\nNope. It has to do with culture. All your parameters to judge ethnicities are based on the ideas of \"conquest\", \"success\", \"achievements\", \"advancements\". Negros don't care about those things. Life, for them, is given for other purposes, such as pleasure, reproduction and spiritual fusion with nature. It's a different underlying approach to reality, thus a cultural difference. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.\n\nIf you were intelligent, actually, you would question and examine what the fundamental motives in your approach to reality are. You don't even know on what basis you judge what is good and what is bad.\n\nPlease note that this comes from a hater of neoliberalism and diversity. I'm not pro niggers, I just think your take is dumb."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>6\nWhy do they have bad socioeconomic factors?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\nLol the trannypol is having a sperg out"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>15\n>A lot of poverty isn't so much a lack of intelligence but never learning the habits and social mores of the higher classes.\nWhy didn't they learn them?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n>It has to do with culture.\nWhy is their culture bad?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nDilate"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>32\nLol maybe if they're doctors"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>6\nlol"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks lost their augmented IQ from hunter gathering due to whites and their green revolution. Only papuans have it now."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nBecause most people learn those things directly from their parents and if their parents exhibit harmful or unsuccessful habits the chance their children will pick those habits up is high."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nYou unironically believe men can become pregnant and you’re butthurt lol"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>37\n>>45\nMuh trannies"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>32\n>More intelligent people are in education for longer.\nThe studies they analyzed took steps to mitigate that self-selection effect. Their conclusion is that formal education causes an increase in IQ, and the 1-5 points/year is the number they arrive at after factoring in the selection pressure you mention."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nYou're trannies."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>22\nwhy are you getting mogged by pol?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If Jared Diamond's thesis is true and blacks couldn't invent anything because their continent is bad\nHe never Saud that\n/thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://youtu.be/y011Pdrb3Sk?t=476 [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI literally checked the date of the posting of the video to see if it was some April Fool's joke or something, I couldn't believe the leves of schizoshit that he reached in one video."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think he's gone full schizo yet, but he's getting close.\n\nReligions ~= stable strategies over time or attractors states in a complex dynamic system would be a more appropriate description for what he is talking about.\n\nIt's like criminality is an individual choice/strategy that is invariant in time. So too are these religious philosophise. What he is talking about is only really apparent to people with political and economic power, with the majority inheriting the power.\n\nWith the driving factor to adopt the religion being to influence the mass population in order to maintain property rights etc\n\nThat being said the world is too complex to control and leaders regularly get killed and influence wains. A useful example is Charles the first's execution.\n\nhttps://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/why-was-king-charles-i-executed\n\nI've realised TIK's not that bright and falls into the fallacy of believing in his models as accurate descriptions of reality rather than plausible possible models. I mean he was dumb enough to be a socialist and thinks \"working in retail\" was some giant burden he experienced."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I thought it was a good video."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGnosticism has always existed, and with a lot of the references he cites, I know exactly which passages he's referring to (like Plato describing the gnostic beliefs of the Orphic mystery schools as \"ancient,\" which he does in Phaedo).\nBut this guy just calls everything he doesn't like Gnosticism.\nThe Puritans were not Gnostic. If he were making this video in good faith and wanted to bring up a Gnostic group that is famous for spending a lot of time debating Catholics in public, he would've referred to the Cathars, who inspired the founding of the Dominican order of monks by showing Dominic, in a long series of debates, how lacking in genuine sanctity, humility and asceticism the Catholics were (the Catholic church thanked them by launching the Albigensian Crusade and murdering Cathars by the thousands).\n\nHe also predictably fails to mention (perhaps because he genuinely doesn't know, which seems believable given his general lack of knowledge on the subject) that Kabbalistic Judaism shares the Gnostic worldview, and that the serpent seed theory which he ascribes to Gnosticism and Hitler is even found in regular Jewish works like the Talmud (which regards non-Jews as tainted by the seed of the Serpent, see picrelated), and is further expounded on by the Kabbalists.\n\nStill, the characterization of Mein Kampf as a Gnostic text is interesting to me.\nThe Jewish domination of our media, politics and culture is an objectively verifiable fact and is openly talked about by top politicians behind closed doors (as evidenced by e.g. the Nixon tapes), but it probably seems like an esoteric religious doctrine to dumb people who lack the mental capacity to grasp it.\n\nAnd it was of course exactly this issue of Jewish domination that led me to inquire into National Socialism; and, after reflecting on how obvious the issue is for me while others are so incapable of seeing it that it seems to me as if they were under a spell, it also led me to my fascination with Gnosticism."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>is openly talked about by top politicians behind closed doors\nwell, actually, both Trump and Biden have been openly acknowleding Jewish control of the mass media and of Congress in public speeches, so there's really no excuse for anyone anymore. Everyone who is still ignorant of it is certifiably retarded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nHitler wasn't just looking for a rational solution to the JQ. He built a whole pseudo-racist myth around it with \"struggle\" being a thing that is good in itself."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>He built a whole pseudo-racist myth around it with \"struggle\" being a thing that is good in itself.\nHe basically took that straight from Nietzsche who took a large part of it straight from Heraclitus. It also was pretty rational"}, {"id": 9, "content": "I genuinely always thought Gnosticism was just rouge Christianity, never as it's own unique religion."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThe oldest \"Gnostic\" texts I'm aware of are those of the Orphics, which predate Christianity by at least half a millennium, and the beliefs probably go back even further, way into pre-history. Here's a reconstructed version of the Orphic Theogony:\nhttps://www.hellenicgods.org/orphic-rhapsodies------24\nThe Upanishads in Hinduism also contained many similar beliefs. It's debated among scholars whether this is due to a transfer from the Greeks to the Hindus, or from the Hindus to the Greeks, or was handed down from common ancestors such as the Proto-Indo-Europeans, or due to independent developments of the same beliefs in both regions. Jewish Kabbalists have claimed that one of the family members of Abraham spread these beliefs in India (all the historical evidence points to Jews only starting to assimilate Gnostic beliefs after prolonged contact with Greek intellectuals, especially in Alexandria).\nIt seems to me that some Kabbalistic Jews try to prevent the dissemination of Orphic writings to a non-Jewish audience, which is why the Loeb Classical Library, which was founded by the Jewish Kuhn & Loeb banking dynasty and is the foremost publisher of ancient texts in the Anglosphere, does not carry a single volume of Orphic literature in its entire catalogue:\nhttps://www.hup.harvard.edu/collection.php?cpk=1031\n\nIf you want to listen to someone who is actually knowledgeable on this topic and not a clown like the guy in OP's video, I suggest checking out Christopher Jon Bjerknes' work, starting with his book Beware the World to Come. He frquently makes the mistake of not properly delineating between established facts and his own conjecture, but the actual material he digs up is incredible. Here are some videos by and with him:\nhttps://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/CJB-Rise-Up-720:2\n\nhttps://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/The-Real-Origins-of-Jesus-Christ:6\n\nhttps://odysee.com/@CJBbooks.com:8/720_Kabbalistic_Abyss:8"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf gnosticism is just one branch of this vague world religion, is there be a better umbrella term for it?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHow do you call someone who says that water is wet, that the sky is blue, that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?\nThis is how \"Gnostics\" think of themselves, as people who simply \"know\" how things are. I think a name that derives from the Greek term that described the kind of \"knowledge\" they have is pretty fitting, even though it's often applied to just the Christian branch of it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nFair enough"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis guy has no idea what he is talking about"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>pic\n>templarSeal\nI thought it was only some baseless accusation thrown up by Philip IV of France that the Templers were into some strange occult shit."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy this guys standards literally every person is a secret gnostic without realizing it, if you don't fully accept or discard every word of an author you're a gnostic, if you have a perspective by which you analyze the world and filter knowledge through, you're a gnostic. If you make any predictions about the future you're a gnostic. Any hyperbole, literary device or analogy usage makes you a gnostic, because some fucking midwit like this can come along and read into it this vague nonsense. This is almost as bad as his propaganda analysis color theory video. Are there gnostics in the room with us right now TIK?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nTIK has very bizarre definitions sometimes\nAccording to him publicly traded companies are socialist\nRace doesnt exist and everything not lazy fairy is socialism"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYeah, the quotes he used from Mein Kamf to justify gnosticism were a reach. His hate of Hitler really clouds his judgement, making him dismiss legit revisionist questions like the 6 gorillion.\n\n>>17\nThat is correct, because corporations are state entities. They allow people to not be held responsible for their actions, which is normally a privilege reserved for kings and politicians."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>calls the swastika a hindu symbol\nGeneral indo-european symbol. It was used by the freikorps and it wasn't even Hitler who began using it but Walter Riehl\n>says Hitler actually thought the markets would shrink\nHe didn't. TIK just grossly misinterprets the name of a header from the book Hitler's National Socialism. The actual theory is ''the tendency of the rate of export to fall'' coined by Werner Sombart. Shrinking markets was made up for the book because it's a more catchy title. They didn't believe markets actually shrunk and the theory was quite popular in Germany before Hitler and even quite in general with it also having supporters in places like the British government\n>Uses aryan and Nordic interchangeably\nNo. Aryan was used in propaganda since the average joe knew that it reffered to nordic. In laws and scholarly works and SS philosophical texts they generally didn't since they knew it reffered to a language group. Also the Nordic race was not seen as somehow perfect. It was seen as the best foundation to use while using eugenics to actually create the new best race\n>Think the higher up saw themselves as somehow divinely inspired\nThey were quite open about their huge debt to Nietzsche, wagner etc. They never really claimed to have some secret knowledge, especially not given by some higher power. They mostly claimed their ideology was based on natural principles going so far as to literally call their main ideas the life laws, so laws which are simply part of nature and all living things must adhere to. This is also why they were so eager to use science (especially biology and genetics) for their ideology. The life laws would also mean they'd worship the demiurge, not god.\n\nNational Socialism in the best case didn't say much about spiritualism beside that it shouldn't go against the ideology and in the worst case was actively against it (Aktion Hess for example). He really seems to confuse a poltical religion acting like one and actually being one"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've listened to about 15 minutes of it, but does he ever explain how atheism was infiltrated by gnosticism? Maybe he just means the way Marx thought he could predict the future using math."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>According to him publicly traded companies are socialist\nHe never said that.\n>Race doesnt exist\nThat's right. More specifically, race is a social construct."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>He never said that.\nhe did. He said all corporations are socialist since they are people sharing ownership and working together. This was his reasoning why imperialism was also socialist. Just as he said roads were socialist. Basically everything besides pure individualism is sociliasm."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>race is a social construct\nso is color. I suggest you only cross the street when the traffic light is red from now on."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nshow me the video where he says that."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Materialism is when\n>Describes idealiasm"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nPublic vs Private | The Historic Definitions of Socialism & Capitalism\nBasically stating that corporations are simply part of the state hierarchy opressing the free market and are thus socialist\n\nHitler's Socialism | Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments\nThis one as well. He basically defines anything where people work together as a state and then calls this a sub-state. This then inherently places them in a hierarchy of state power. He only sees the individual as being truly private and without hierarchy. So any form of hierarchy is anti free market and socialism. He then also assumes that even if communism is achieved and the sate withers aways this only leaves the individual. Since a true individual is always part of the free market if the state withers away only this free market is left. So according to him anarcho-communism/communism is impossible since it would be anarcho-capitalism.\n\nfor him socialism is not when government does stuff. For him socialism is when hierarchy."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI think that you are misunderstanding when TIK talks about corporations in the fascist sense (as in, the groups of people organized by the State as interest groups) with the idea of business in general. The labour unions in Musso's Italy were definitely an example of Fascist praxis. That is correct. That doesn't mean that TIK thinks that someone selling shares in the US stock market is the same."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, this is a bad take. But it's refreshing to see someone shitting on Gnosticism, which I dislike strongly, so I won't complain about it.\n\nIt is true that Gnostic-like ideas pop up time to time again in Western culture, and they are usually associated with insanity and extremism.\n\nTIK doesn't mention it (because he is involved in it to some degree) but contemporary conspiracy culture is also gnostic in nature: it is anti-empiricist, sees observable reality as a front put up by nefarious powers, and thus is at war with reality itself."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nNo. He actually says this about publicly traded companies. Not just fascist regulated coops. Like I said. For him ANY collective no matter in what form is a sub-state and it exerting any influence is socialism and ONLY the individual is truly private and thus truly capitalist. I whis it was an exaggeration but it isn't."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>BBC News\n>publicly traded companies\n????"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nAnon do you know the meaning of \"publicly traded\"?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>28\nAlso he is wrong about Hermetics and Freemasons being Gnostics. They don't believe in a true creator vs. a demiurge and didn't dismiss material reality as an illusion. That's why they liked alchemy and promoted gaining knowledge of the universe.\n\nBasically what TIK calls Gnosticism is more of Platonism: the idea that our reality is inferior to the world of ideas, and knowledge can be gained not by observing reality, but by \"getting in touch with the superior world of ideas\" (which for Plato meant philosophical contemplation, but for later esoteric thinkers pretty much just meant making shit up).\n\nMuch of Western philosophy is really just Plato vs. Aristotle over and over again, which bled into mysticism too."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>>29\nAdded that more because I put the video to a stop at that moment and thought it was funny he puts the BBC as somehow being what Marx meant when he said that. Also the BBC is a corporation and thus legally it's own entity just funded in part by the state.\n\nBut yeah he also calls both twitter (before it was delisted) and youtube socialist. When they are funded by the investors he however calls this the public state. An individual factory or shop owner is not socialist since they don't have (any significant) political power. A corporation is, including publicly traded ones, since they can influence things."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\nSomething being a social construct does not mean it doesn't exist. And in the case of race, where the lines between races are drawn might be somewhat of a social contruct, but based on somehting obviously real that humans have always noticed(and still do with the exception of white libtards). Similar to colors like the other anon said."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nJesus anon you are dense."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nisnt Freemasonry literally worship of \"Divine Architect\"? Seems like total opposite of gnosticism.\nAnd Hermetics arent gnostics too, Hermetics were esoterics neo-pagans at best."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>5\n>Gnosticism has always existed\nthis is like muslims telling us islam always existed because idea of \"submission\" always existed and islam means submission.\nYep"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\ngreat argument mate. I'm just repeating what he said in the video."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Architect_of_the_Universe"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nAnd you are completely misunderstanding everything he said."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThinking of \"gnosticism\" as a religion is wrong. He's approaching it from a dogmatic, centralized, absolute Christian religion.\n\nThe truth is that ritualism is vague and more concerned moreso with meta-conceptualism."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nno, not really. He pretty much repeats this in all his videos on what socialism is and if the nazis were it. Even calls a tribe leader exerting influence over individual tribesmen a socialist in one of them. This is literally the dude who constantly calls taxation theft and believes that during an economic crisis the market will fix itself. How hard is it to understand that he has an insanely skewed view of economics."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>This is literally the dude who constantly calls taxation theft\nAnd he's correct about that. Anon do you think that taxation isn't theft? What else do we call it when someone takes away your property, against your will and using the threat of force?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>anon thinks the state represents the common man"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nHe's probably going to bring up social contract theory. He's the kind of person who would argue rape doesn't exist, because the victim always has the choice of killing themselves."}, {"id": 46, "content": "who else listens to tik while they fall asleep"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dislike TIK not because of his criticisms but because of his asshole attitude and his biases."}, {"id": 48, "content": "The guy has a pretty good conclusion of ww2. Basically just spelling out the absolute most basic fundamental facts that most people can't comprehend or refuse to believe because their main knowledge of ww2 comes from bullshit documentaries that keeps perpetuating old myths and outdated consensus.\n>Noooo Barbarossa was delayed only because of the Greek campaign\n>Noooo Germany had the upper hand against Britain because controlling Europe was far better than controlling the world\n>Noooo Britain declared war on Germany cause they hate Germans, not to protect their hegemony\n>Noooo Hitler had created an economic miracle and the world flourished under his economic plans\n>Noooo Germany was not being starved from day 1\n>Noooo Germany die not lose because of poor logistics or insufficient material, they lost because Hitler and generals did Le dumb move to attack this and that when they should have attacked this and that."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>16\nI don't get how you came to that conclusion"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nHe quoted Hitler saying that when reading a book you should do so critically and only take the important bits to heart. According to TIK this is proof of Gnosticism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What killed Catholicism in Ireland?\nThe land of Saints and Scholars became pro abortion over night."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>became pro abortion over night.\nnope, Ireland was stabbed by Britain during Cromwell era, its' identity was already dying and the fact that it got independent thanks to an organisation spearheaded by communists just ended the old Irish identity.\nCan be compared to Norman invasion of England"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the same thing that killed it everywhere else except Africa.\nIt's retarded."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe same with any other place that is experiencing a drop in religious followers, rising living standards and numerous scandals involving the church being uncovered"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nApostolic Christianity is amazingly deep, sophisticated and intellectual."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pic\nLmao, dat persecution complex."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople interpret religion to suit their pre-existing biases. There is no True Cucklickism. Ask any religcuck what the true religion is and they're just give your their political opinions with some magic jew window dressing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nYet no amount of fancy theological and philosophical word games will ever make its beliefs true."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>People interpret religion to suit their pre-existing biases.\nThis is true.\n>>8\nThere's plenty of evidence to support the metaphysical structure imposed on by Christianity being true. Check out some Swinburne's work."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Irish were strong Catholics because it was all that separated them culturally from the Protestant English. Once they were independent they proceeded to just exist as Anglos in all but name."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>christcuck meme\n>is a lie\nEvery single time"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Swinburne\n...what was his full name?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nname one issue that pits pagans alongside the other groups against Christianity, other than an unwillingness to submit to the \"King of the Jews\" (who considered non-Jews dogs, by the way)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nRichard Swinburne"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlook up how many homo-pedo cases in the chatolic church over there\nas expected of jew raised by a cuck worshippers"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What killed Catholicism in Ireland?\ncatholicism did. specifically totalitarian but hollow catholicism."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nYes\nCan we please compare this with other religions\nSuch as Islam and Judiasm"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Father Ted, the subversive anti-Catholic \"comedy\" fundamentally shattered the image of the priesthood while simultaneously putting a spotlight on it. Which, alongside broader trends of worldwide Catholicism, revealed a corrupt and systematic incompetence of the Church to deal with childhood sexual abuse scandals.\n\nYou can talk about Vatican II and shit like abandoning Latin Mass all you want, but these are minor factors when it comes to Ireland's Godlessness."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat the world is largely miserable, aimless, going full tranny, and cowers even at the slightest conviction on the most basic, elemental truths of the human experience is reason enough alone to embrace Catholicism. Or general Christianity, but Catholicism has the organization and AUTHORITY to bring true change that other denominations cannot, despite being well intentioned. EVEN IF it wasn't entirely correct, you'd be better off just accepting it for the sense of prolonging the human race. Postmodernism's lack of conviction kills humanity as a whole, for the sake of the individual. It's a deathtrap, with a sweet aroma at first."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIn other words, kikes did it. What's new?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>but Catholicism has the organization and AUTHORITY to bring true change that other denominations cannot\nSo it's, what, just been sittings on its hands from the 1950s up to now but had a change of heart? Can you clarify exactly what the catholic church will do now to reverse course that it couldn't be bothered doing in the preceding half a century?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nI know we all like to blame the Jews, but its hard to in this case. How many Jews were involved in the production of Father Ted, not many. Gays though? Now there were a LOT of gays involved in the production of this series.\n\nPlus, the Jews were too busy going around cutting their own kids' dicks off. No, the gay paedophile priests that got shuffled from parish to parish after fiddling young boys time after time are more to blame than the Jews in this instance."}, {"id": 23, "content": "They don’t believe Christian truth claims.\n\nThis point mogs all others, most people are not Christians simply because they don’t believe it is true.\n\nThey do not believe in the historicity of the Old Testament\nThey do not believe in the historicity of the resurrection\nThey do not believe in the supernaturalism of the true presence\nThey do not believe in the logic of a trinity\nEtc etc\n\nThere’s simply too much accessible biblical scholarship that really doesn’t support it, Christianity has been analysed into a purely human product, the mystery is gone.\n\nIt’s not that people don’t believe in a god either, just that belief in god does not necessitate a belief in Catholicism etc.\n\nWe are probably heading for a pseudo-pagan religious landscape in that most people will be vaguely superstitious with some elements of animism and maybe belief in watered down deities or ‘forces’."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nWas father Ted really anti-catholic?"}, {"id": 25, "content": "I literally don't understand this comic, can anyone explain?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>There’s simply too much accessible biblical scholarship that really doesn’t support it\nBiblical scholarship written with agendas. Biblical scholars themselves are products of history, but they don't see it. They pull the wool over the eyes and lay claims to objectivity, but their ideas have ideological grounds first. Mostly rooted in Anglo and Lutheran Protestantism of the 19th centuries. Not to mention it's ever changing, ever being challenged even amongst themselves in their guilds. The original textual scholars of the 19th century are ignored now. The giants of Oxford in the 1920s give way to anyone today. It's nothing to build your very life on. It's always changing. Build your house on the Rock, as Christ said.\nWorse than that, every random Joe Bible Scholar now is trying to make a name for himself and set himself apart with a novel theory to get those coveted places in universities and being published in papers. They're provocative on purpose half of the time. There are tons of critical theorists working in biblical fields, pushing LGBT narratives, or feminist theory in biblical scholarship with a straight face. They're no better than the John Hagees and Jerry Falwells of the evangelical world. Just scumbags through and through, only these have more polish.\nAnd yes, I'm attacking their character. A true scholar of the scriptures is also a shepherd, writes with a communal spirit, and cares about nourishing people with actual useful information. Actually cares about helping people. Only the Catholic church has the weight behind it to do this in full. Even giants of biblical scholarship become popes (like Cardinal Ratzinger).\nBut if people want to follow garbage or follow after animist beliefs, that's ultimately their own problem. They're not going to hurt anyone else but themselves. If they finally want to be cured, they know where to find it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>What killed Catholicism in Ireland?\n\nGiving people \"freedom\". The freedom to be brainwashed by someone other than the Catholic Church."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\nThere's always a remnant. Nor has it faltered in it's advice in all of those year. The Church isn't promised to save everyone or culture as a whole, but enough will find life, while world commits collective suicide. Eschatology and trial in the Church is a living reality, much like the death of Christ and the mass. Something that happens yesterday, today, and tomorrow. There will be good times for culture and bad. Just make sure you yourself aren't lost.\n>His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.-Rev 12:4"}, {"id": 29, "content": "It became pro abortion as it was catholic"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmuslims would rater side with christian then atheists, pagans, jews and gays.\nmost muslism aren't anti-christian, atleast not when they live in non-muslim countries"}, {"id": 31, "content": "It's a simple enough question.\n>1930s-1940s\n>Ireland (Free State) dominated by retarded ultra conservative politics of the Catholic Church\n>Countless scandals and abuses (child abuse, mother and baby homes, laundries, mass infant graves, etc)\n>People live in an extremely conservative society, egged on by poor economic standards\n>New crowd take over after the retard De Valera finally fucks off\n>Industry industry industry\n>Try to actually build a real Irish economy that isn't just beef farm simulator 1950\n>It works\n>Hit the 1990s\n>Irish economy gets very good very quickly\n>People have lots of money suddenly\n>New lifestyles, travelling, new opportunities\n>The frugal conservative lifestyle less popular with young people\n\nThat said, the idea that it became \"pro-abortion overnight\" is retarded. It was a dedicated and very popular grassroots campaign that gained momentum over a long period of time and therefore won out in the end. None of this shit happened \"overnight.\""}, {"id": 32, "content": "Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against Jews but I know a lot of people here do (not my hill to die on)\n\nMost of the Catholic LARPers on here post endlessly about Jews\n\nBut Jesus....was a Jew and the pope can't get enough toes inside hit little soft mouth\n\nThe Catholic church is seriously on the decline"}, {"id": 33, "content": "Ireland had an identity problem after they gained their independence from England. Before their identity was defined by not being English. But after they gained independence, what did it mean to be Irish? Because of the lack of a great Leader, who might have acted as a founding father and put in place a new national myth, Ireland just decided to make their Catholicism their new identity. Being Irish meant to be Catholic. Thus a tyranny of Catholicism swept the country. Older Irish people still remember getting beaten by their catholic teachers in school.\nBut the Ireland decreased their tax rate for big corporations to attract them to their nation. These corporations took root and quickly began to change the country to their liking. The new Irish Identity was Neoliberalism. Low taxes, gay marriage, free commerce, few restrictions on immigration, abortion followed."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\nDude, you're just butthurt that nobody takes your particular religious mythology seriously anymore."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>5\n>>blah blah blah\nMagic doesn't exist retard, no amount of bullshit will make it exist.\n\n>>unknown\nMeme images are funny, but not effective arguments."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPedophile priests did it, oh also the Magdalene laundries. The Church really has only themselves to blame."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nCatholic Priests only became pedophiles because the freemasons made them do it"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>stonetoss comic\n\n/thread"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>5\nOkay but reading City of God by St Augustine doesn't un-rape children lmao"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>13\n>Christianity is in decline because it's too Liberal\nSure buddy, that's the problem..."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>3\nSpbp"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Everyone hates Christians (not even close to true)\n>This means Christianity must be true\nThis is terrible logic. Jews use this same argument, \"Oh vey everyone throughout history persecuted us, we really are the chosen race!\""}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>14\noh lmfao alright if you google swinburne some guy who advocates FOR homosexuality and AGAINST christcuckianity pops up, already forgot it but it starts with an A.\ncareful with that one..."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nireland is a lost cause, yuck\ncromwell did nothing wrong"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>unknown\nSorry, le metaphysical arguments have never been and will never be enough to prove Christianity true. If you make outrageous supernatural claims, you need something better. Keep coping."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>14\nWhy he think some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>5\nNo it isn't. It's moral cowardice asa religious system"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nHow is it moral cowardice?\n>>46\nIt's in his book the God Incarnate (appendix has a technical description)."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\n>Jews use this same argument, \"Oh vey everyone throughout history persecuted us, we really are the chosen race!\"\nWtf literally no Jew thinks like this lmao. Maybe you hang out with Chassidim or something, but every modern American Jew just thinks the \"chosen people\" thing is a source of comedy given the results it has brought"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPapism is Satanism and all papists need to be exterminated"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApparently the Roman Catholic Church didn't do very much propaganda besides \"le Anglicans and Presbyterians bad\"."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>11\nThis may break your heart, but most Christians are not dispensationalists."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>9\n>>14\nDid you know Swinburne is an explicit polytheist who believes the trinity consists of three distinct gods?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>5\n>Apostolic Christianity\n>Has to use pseudo isidorian decretals to establish its authority even to this day despite denouncing them"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>2\nI really don't get the seething specifically over Cromwell. The Irish supported the Stuarts, Cromwell btfo'd them (just like he btfo'd literally everybody else) and that was it. All the policies that favoured Anglicans over Catholics would remain long after Cromwell. There are over 200 years of restored monarchy between Cromwell and the Irish war of independence."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>46\nFor amazingly deep, sophisticated and intellectual reasons."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>39\nYou're more likely to be touched by your secular school teacher, but keep seething over pedos from 60 years ago because your TV told you too."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nso much for the sanctifying power of the holy spirit..\n\nbtw, it's the fact that cult leadership helped cover it up, and is still around that is upsetting to people"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nPotato niggers are basically just island Jews."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>3\nThis"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nThoughts on pattern recognition?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nHow strange that all the mentally retarded inbred wogs are religious."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>13\nChristianity is still too intolerant -- they still want freedom of religion for themselves, but not for anyone else. They definitely don't \"play well with others\". They constantly proselytize as if no one had ever heard of their mostly unknown and unheard-of religion, their obscure Savior, or their 2,000-year-old Urgent Important, and Breaking Good News! They're mostly sheep who follow a Shepherd, knowing full well that their TV Good Shepherds will shear their flock and sell them out as mutton for lots and lots of money, and no one says one word about it. They're willing to donate their money for a state-of-the-art media center complete with \"matching funds\" and let a \"minister\" quietly sell to a private company and let him get away with using his non-prophet charity to haul mining equipment to Africa, and haul diamonds back. They're willing to fall backward in a faint if their preacher waves his coat at them, they're willing to convulse on the ground when possessed by their God when a preacher puts his hands are their heads. They buy anointed washcloths, they do tolerate what would be fraud if they weren't a religion-- and they Question nothing! God constantly needs Money, and Billy Graham died a $millionaire! It's just another money-making business, and they'll forgive anything with little consequence. They seem like they're all gullible, moronic ignoramuses. They have no Morals left; and they've never, ever heard of Ethics!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nCapitalism works because most of the time the rich are human beings and they will help the poor, people will naturally help other people less fortunate than themselves because it's human nature.\n\nCommunism on the other hand makes the rich see the poor as nothing more than subhuman slaves."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIQ and economic freedom is the answer."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1\nDelusional\n>>unknown (OP)\nAnd yes, the same reason why Korea's economy kicked off and Japan is stagnating. Once the West runs out of neo colonial holdings to exploit there will be nothing else."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nCargo cultist"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nOnly when you have a state that is at least somewhat benign to its citizens. I dont know much about confucianism but I read in a book confucian statesmen were willing to be pragmatic on stuff like coin mints and shit like that. Thats why they were the only country that managed to rely on copper money because they werent dicks who would just devalue them for personal gain and would forcibly retrieve debt peons at buddhist temples while melting down their buddha statues to make more coins when deflation got too bad.\nLike I said I dont know a lot about confucianism, but it made them come across a lot more level headed than the governments we are used to in the west."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nCan you elaborate on Japan vs Korea? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1\n>Capitalism works because most of the time the rich are human beings and they will help the poor, people will naturally help other people less fortunate than themselves because it's human nature.\n\nIf you truly believe this shit, you are officially the dumbest person in this place. That’s includes/pol/ and /b/."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nKorea and Japan both were consumer electronic giants. Korea's government started and still owns a lot of the companies. Japan's does not. Japan is stagnating. Korea is not."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThis. The best example for this, is how Israel is rich while everyone around them has more resources, people and farmland, but is still poor as shit. Israel's most valuable resource are its 105+ avg. IQ Jews, while 85 IQ shitholes around them just continue to fuck up constantly"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nBetter than state socialism but you are talking about paralympics here."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nEven ashkenazim in israel dont have 105+ (why even portray it as an open ended series?) average iq."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIt's a cope, an approximation"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>the state capitalism the answer"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1\nCorrect analysis. No wonder commies are seething"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">state capitlaism\nThat's called socialism"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nNot all of them obviously. But just a few is enough to help whole populations of poor, see Carnegie funding literally thousands of libraries.\nWhat they _don't_ generally do is just giving money away to some lazy, entitled leeches not even able to say \"thank you\"; and that's a good thing."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n> state capitalism\njust call it oligarchy my dude"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIndians are much happier and humane than chinx chonx insects"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n>everyone around them has more resources,\nNigga please what resources? Oil? No oil in the Levant, not in any useful amount. Not every arab country is Iraq.\nGulf countries seem to be doing great with their 76 IQ"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nAnswer to what?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>Is state capitalism the answer?\nIf you have to ask the answer is no."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nDravidian ape please, no one is happy living in cow shit."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIndians are. Say what you want about them, at least they are human. Can a chix say the same?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>Carnegie funding literally thousands of libraries.\nIn the united states the rich only keep 10% of all wealth for themselves. Thats a lot of money for 1% of the people, 99% of the people get 90% of the wealth."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nChina government spending is only 30% of GDP which is lower than America and Europe. China is very much a capitalist free market economy, except on those lolibertarian indexes that take bullshit like 'corruption' into account. (Very subjective and not econ related)"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIndia was a hardcore socialist until 1991 when some liberalization took place, and even then the average Indian is still a borderline communist who wants the government to do everything."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>only 30% of GDP which is lower than America and Europe\nIts about 25% in USA"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nNope, it's closer to 40% when you count the States and Counties (total government spending). Only Federal Government spending is 25% of GDP."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>socialism is when the government spends money\nkek do they really"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nNo, India had a shitton of state owned industries, red-tape and regulations until very recently. You are just ignorant. Google what the 'permit raj' was."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nSource for that graph?\nI thought it was about 25% and that that included local taxes"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nBasically yes"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nhttps://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1792_2018USp_18s1li011lcn_F1fF0sF0l\n\nhttps://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1960_2018USp_18s1li011lcn_F1fF0sF0l\n\nChina doesn't even have free healthcare. It's so cringe to read commies hailing it as a successful model when they advocate for the opposite in the West."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>the left is compeltely devoid of ideology and instead is massively hypocritical\nsay it aint so"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1\n>communism doesn't work because people are greedy and would enslave you if they could\n>capitalism works because people aren't greedy and wouldn't enslave you if they could\n\nListen, I don't like communists and communism doesn't work. But you can't keep discrediting your own position and giving communists the benefit of the doubt when they try to shill their horrible ideology. You can't keep regurgitating this neocon pilpul forever.\n\nLearn.\nTo.\nArticulate.\nYour.\nReasoning"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\nWhy?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>19\n>Gulf countries seem to be doing great with their 76 IQ\nGulf countries are nigger rich and they blow all their money on big buildings they pay foreigners to build. None of that wealth has translated to human capital. If the oil dried up they would be back to riding camels."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nThe foundation of liberalism is that evil people can be prevented from assuming power through the electorate, china doesn't have that, so yes \"bad people can't assume power like they can in socialism\" is a legitimate criticism"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>8\nKorea is oligarchic\n>>3\n>Once the West runs out of neo colonial holdings to exploit there will be nothing else.\n2 more weeks"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>blow all their money on big buildings\nThis is capital, its not wasted.\n65% of the capital worldwide is real estate, and half of the remainder is power plants to power said real estate. Then half of the remainder are planes. Gulf arabs have lots of planes too"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>19\nEveryone with some basic common sense knows those Gulf countries would be worthless without the oil, basically if you have a shitton of oil you can develop whatever economic policy you wish (Norwegian welfare state, oligarchic Saudi monarchy, etc.) short of communism which always fails (Venezuela).\n\nWhat's impressive is when countries develop without natural resources (Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, etc.) that's generally done through free market capitalism with some protectionist bias (such as state investment in research and development, soft loans towards industrial companies and currency manipulation and other forms of covert protectionism).\n\nBasically = Free-market Capitalism = Successful country\nMostly Free-Market with some Protectionist Bias = Most successful country\nWelfare Capitalist = Somewhat successful but you stagnate if you go overboard\nSocialism = Always shit\nCommunism = Always shit"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>23\nMa'am do not redeem\nNo you bitch\nDO NOT REDEEM\nHey you bitch\nI will make you into prostitute!"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>25\nChina spends 1.7% of its GDP on military. US spends 4%. Soviet Union spent 30% back in the day. All you really need to know"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNumber go up is not happiness."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>knows those Gulf countries would be worthless without the oil\nOil exists so your argument is invalid"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nNo, but India happens to be one of the least happy countries in the world"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>38\n>Evil people aren't elected\nWho's gonna tell him?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nI don't think it is."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>state capitalism\nThat shit doesn't exist.\nYou are comparing a relatively efficient centrally planned State (post Deng) with a very inefficient centrally planned State. You'd have to be pretty dense to say that someone like Jawaharlal Nehru is an example of capitalism."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\nIsn’t it also possible that higher gdp per capita results in higher iq?\nOr that some third factor causes both to increase?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nYes increased nutrition improves IQ overtime. Like height, it takes a couple generations. There's probably a genetic component but it's not as big, second generation African immigrants in the UK score almost as well as Whites. (93 points)\n\nLynn is a fraud that confuses correlation with causation."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\n>evil people can be prevented from assuming power through the electorate\n>duh durr furr durr\nyou have to be 18 to post here"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>Like height, it takes a couple generations. There's probably a genetic component but it's not as big\nNigga you got this backwards. IQ is like 80% genetic. Its's literally one of the most inheritable traits. And yes just like height nutrition will improve it, but it doesn't take a couple of generations it takes a single one. You literally just have to eat enough during childhood. African americans have had the same level of nutrition as Whites for generations now, that's why the peaked in both height (5'9'') and IQ (85)."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>44\nYes it does faggot. If you don't like it you can go starve with the rest of the gooks and vatnigs under some commissar.\n>NOOOO the world is scary and mean people should maintain society with no profit incentive :((("}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>IQ is like 80% genetic. Its's literally one of the most inheritable traits.\nNope, studies show the heritability of IQ goes as low as 0.10 among poor American families. This is because genes are malleable by the environment, this is called GE Interplay.\n\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29083200/\n\n>And yes just like height nutrition will improve it, but it doesn't take a couple of generations it takes a single one.\nNo, it's been proven that it may take up to two or three generations for some environmental factors to go away. If a guy who was stunted from malnutrition as a kid, has a well-fed kid of his own, this kid will still be somewhat stunted no matter how well he is fed and treated.\n\nAt a national level, the Flynn Effect also took like three generations in the West.\n\n>African americans have had the same level of nutrition as Whites for generations now, that's why the peaked in both height (5'9'') and IQ (85).\nAfrican-Americans are a special case, their culture is toxic. If race was the issue pure-blooded African immigrants in the UK and America shouldn't be outperforming African Americans in every respect, but they are."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\nIQ is 80% genetic and genes exited before the economic growth. The future cannot cause the past ergo the arrow of causation goes from genes to economic growth."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>Nope, studies show the heritability of IQ goes as low as 0.10 among poor American families.\nYour own study doesn't show that. It says IQ is highly inheritable, and poor \"families\" just means black so they have poor IQ to begin with.\n>This is because genes are malleable by the environment,\nNo, not really. Blacks in the US and blacks in Africa are just as stupid and poor. The environment has little do with it."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nDoes this current world look sustainable? Your children will eat bugs and wont even know what gender they are"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>Your own study doesn't show that. It says IQ is highly inheritable, and poor \"families\" just means black so they have poor IQ to begin with.\nYou did not read the study at all.\n\nhttps://sci-hub.st/10.1037/bul0000131\n\n>No, not really. Blacks in the US and blacks in Africa are just as stupid and poor. The environment has little do with it.\nNot even the most determinist IQ researchers believe \"the environment has nothing to do with it\"."}, {"id": 60, "content": "The Chinese economy developed thanks to foreign investments and foreign consumers. If the rest of the world was protectionist there would have been no foreign investors and no foreign consumers, and China would still be Africa tier poor.\n\nChina developed thanks to free trade, not to state capitalism, and much less thanks to communism."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>9\nhow does this theory that iq makes a good society and country and not the other way around explain that throughout history nations change from being the most advanced in the world to becoming shitholes and vice verse (with the exception of blacks)"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>2\nThat’s a horrible correlation"}, {"id": 63, "content": "State capitalism is superior to the kind of totalitarianism seen in Zimbabwe, North Korea and Maoist china because it is closer to capitalism."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nFree trade is important"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Vinland and the norse main settlement, called Hóp, where almost certainly located SOUTH of Newfoundland/L'anse Aux Meadows. Why haven't they found it yet? I'd search the whole fucking coast of New Brunswick, especially around the bays, if I were a trained archaeologist, and if I had the money."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey found it butnit had arcane technology which the researchers got ordered to Bury and never talk of again."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe know vinland existed. We know the settlements were real. OK. What would you even gain by excavating these places? Arrows? The heads of hachets? I doubt there are any great megaliths or unique cultural artifacts that Norway doesn't already have thousands of."}, {"id": 4, "content": "probably because a long time ago some Americans built a town on top of it\n\nsame thing happened to many Indian sites"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the settlement didn't exist. Vinland is as real as Shangri-la and is only associated with America retroactively"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWe literally found a norse town in Newfoundland and a study recently confirmed rich Greenlanders got their timber from markland.\n>>1 (OP)\nWhat is this Hop you are talking about? I thought the only Norse settlement was leifsbuddr"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Catholic Jesus best Jesus."}, {"id": 2, "content": "AS IF THERE WERE OTHERS…"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>adobestock"}, {"id": 4, "content": "- The Catholic Jesus is a false one, just like the Jesus of Islam, JW, LDS etc.\n- The Catholic Jesus is one that appeared to a Polish nun in the 1930s, and told her that you will receive full remission of sins if you take mass on a certain Sunday of the year.\n- The Catholic Jesus is one that is clad in gold, bought from the money given to the church in the form of indulgences, which promised a forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut the Jesus of the Bible is one that said, \"It is finished!\" (John 19:30). The debt had been paid for our sins; we would no longer have to engage in continual sacrifice. We were now purified by Christ's sacrifice alone.\n\nThe Jesus of the Bible is one that said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\" No manmade organization would be able to claim ownership of him - it is through Christ alone that we are saved.\n\nWe cannot buy our forgiveness with indulgences, or by taking mass, or by confessing our sins to priests. It is of absolute importance that you trust Jesus - and Jesus alone - for the forgiveness of your sins."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Catholic jesus only Jesus\nftfy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\northodox jesus is better, no globohomo"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>I converted last week because I hate fags"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nProtestant, Evangelical, Non-Denominational Jesus is the best Jesus."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>The Catholic Jesus is one that appeared to a Polish nun in the 1930s, and told her that you will receive full remission of sins if you take mass on a certain Sunday of the year.\nPrivate revelation. Non-binding.\n>The Catholic Jesus is one that is clad in gold, bought from the money given to the church in the form of indulgences, which promised a forgiveness of sin.\nThere are no official magisterial or papal teachings ratifying the sale of indulgences. Also, indulgences themselves do not grant forgiveness of sins - only the sacrament of reconciliation does that.\n>But the Jesus of the Bible is one that said, \"It is finished!\" (John 19:30). The debt had been paid for our sins; we would no longer have to engage in continual sacrifice. We were now purified by Christ's sacrifice alone.\nSola Fide is so easily dismissed that I'm just going to move on. For starters, read James 2.\n>The Jesus of the Bible is one that said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\" No manmade organization would be able to claim ownership of him - it is through Christ alone that we are saved.\nTrue. Jesus is the Way. He's the head of the Catholic Church of which all men are saved.\n>We cannot buy our forgiveness with indulgences, or by taking mass, or by confessing our sins to priests. It is of absolute importance that you trust Jesus - and Jesus alone - for the forgiveness of your sins.\nAnd who is Jesus? Because it seems that all these thousands of protestant denominations have wildly different conceptions of who Jesus is. Heretical conceptions, even\n\n>2 Corinthians 11:3-5 - 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nAs long as you know that salvation is found in Christ alone, and ask only Jesus for forgiveness of sins, and understand that you can do not work that would be good enough to enter heaven, then you will be saved.\n\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n\nIf our faith is true, then we will produce good fruit; but this is through the Spirit, and not by our own abilities. We are not made righteous by our works! This is where Catholics are dead wrong!\n\n>10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:\n>11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.\n>12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one\nRomans 3:10-12\n\nOur good faith will produce good fruits. But we are sanctified not by works, but by good faith.\n\n>17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.\nMatthew 7:17-18"}, {"id": 11, "content": "The repentant thief on the cross did not produce good fruits, as he did not have time. But he was a good tree - meaning, that he had faith - and that saved him on his deathbed.\n\n>42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”\nLuke 23:42-43\n\nIf the thief survived, then he would have gone on to produce good fruits, as a sign of his faith. But he was not saved by his works, but by faith alone."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nJehovah Witness Jesus."}, {"id": 13, "content": "holy fuck. the denominations are all having a contest to see who's top cuck."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nDidn’t know Jesus was a Roman emperor."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>As long as you know that salvation is found in Christ alone, and ask only Jesus for forgiveness of sins, and understand that you can do not work that would be good enough to enter heaven, then you will be saved.\nAnd where in the Bible does it state that these three conditions alone are necessary for salvation? Also, you would be considered a heretic according to Calvinism, which espouses double predestination.\n>If our faith is true, then we will produce good fruit; but this is through the Spirit, and not by our own abilities. We are not made righteous by our works! This is where Catholics are dead wrong!\nSo you acknowledge that you can't simply have faith and expect to be saved? You have to show your faith through keeping God's commandments and bearing good fruit, correct?\n>Our good faith will produce good fruits. But we are sanctified not by works, but by good faith.\nWhere does it state that we are justified by faith alone?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\n>Cut yourself for jesus bro"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>And where in the Bible does it state that these three conditions alone are necessary for salvation? Also, you would be considered a heretic according to Calvinism, which espouses double predestination.\n\nPlease, read through Romans 3, which discusses this topic clearly. One helpful verse is:\n> This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22\n\nAnd no, this does not clash with the concept of double predestination. The elect will ask Jesus will have faith in Jesus, and will understand their sin, and will ask for forgiveness, and will bear good fruit.\n\n>So you acknowledge that you can't simply have faith and expect to be saved? You have to show your faith through keeping God's commandments and bearing good fruit, correct?\nAbsolutely correct. Good trees will produce good fruit. But it is not the fruit that saves us, but faith in Jesus, which is what makes the tree good.\n\n>Where does it state that we are justified by faith alone?\nYou've replied to my post which contains a verse which clearly displays that justification is by faith alone:\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">just allow yourself to be abused bro, you'll receive a sick afterparty for your soul in exchange for this\n\nImagine unironically believing this. They should just rename Christianity 'Suckerianity'"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nexactly, nothing says \"do good\" like homo pedo priests and taking your children to \"study\" with them"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSHALOM"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>Please, read through Romans 3, which discusses this topic clearly. One helpful verse is:\nNo. I asked you where it stated that these three conditions alone are necessary. You can't, because you're a liar.\n>And no, this does not clash with the concept of double predestination. The elect will ask Jesus will have faith in Jesus, and will understand their sin, and will ask for forgiveness, and will bear good fruit.\nYeah, and they do this only because God foredestined this to be so, not because they themselves freely made the choice. Do you think this is true?\n>Absolutely correct. Good trees will produce good fruit. But it is not the fruit that saves us, but faith in Jesus, which is what makes the tree good.\nHow is it not the 'fruit' that saves us? Can a tree with no fruit be saved? Yes or no.\n>You've replied to my post which contains a verse which clearly displays that justification is by faith alone:\nIt doesn't say \"faith alone.\" ALONE being the point of emphasis here. Also, it says we are saved by grace, not faith. Typical Protestant serpentine tactics, inherited by Satan."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the most coherent too, He teaches us to be brave"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nPlease read all the verses I post here\n\n>No. I asked you where it stated that these three conditions alone are necessary.\nSalvation is found in Christ alone:\n>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\nJohn 14:6\n\nFaith in Jesus is what saves:\n>25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:25-26\nThis righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22\n\nNo work is good enough to enter heaven:\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n>This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n\n>Yeah, and they do this only because God foredestined this to be so, not because they themselves freely made the choice.\nI'll let scripture speak for itself. There are too many verses supporting predestination to fit in this post, so here's just a couple:\n>For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.\nRomans 8:29\nWho saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nPlease know that I am taking the time to write this out because I care about you, and I care about all those who read this. I want to spread the good news.\n\n>How is it not the 'fruit' that saves us? Can a tree with no fruit be saved? Yes or no.\nThe thief on the cross did not have the opportunity to bear good fruit, but his faith was good, which sanctified him. So, according to the Bible, \"no\". But if we have the opportunity to continue living - as me and you do - then good works are evidence that the spirit is within us.\n\nBut the NT constantly proclaims that we are NOT SAVED THROUGH GOOD WORKS. This is made abundantly clear. I cannot emphasize this enough because it is of absolute importance that we do not think that we can earn our own salvation.\n\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nSigh. Let me be patient with you.\n>As long as you know that salvation is found in Christ alone, and ask only Jesus for forgiveness of sins, and understand that you can do not work that would be good enough to enter heaven, then you will be saved.\nThis is verbatim what you said. Can you show me where in the Bible that all you need to do to be saved is to fulfill these three specific conditions ALONE?\n\nAlso, how convenient that you silently conceded to the fact that NOWHERE in the Bible does it state that faith \"ALONE\" is what grants you salvation.\n>Faith in Jesus is what saves\nOkay. So do dead babies go to heaven or not? Do tribal people who have never heard the gospel go to heaven or not? If you answer yes, then so much for \"faith alone.\"\n>I'll let scripture speak for itself.\nHow the hell can a book \"speak for itself?\" Are you high?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>The thief on the cross did not have the opportunity to bear good fruit, but his faith was good,\nWhat faith? Where does it say that the thief had faith?\n>But the NT constantly proclaims that we are NOT SAVED THROUGH GOOD WORKS. This is made abundantly clear. I cannot emphasize this enough because it is of absolute importance that we do not think that we can earn our own salvation.\nFaith without works is dead. Faith without love is nothing. Faith alone does not save."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\n>Orthodox\n>No globohomo\n\nLOL"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nshalom indeed, brb bringing my child to be molested again by the priest\nOy gevalt!"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>This is verbatim what you said. Can you show me where in the Bible that all you need to do to be saved is to fulfill these three specific conditions ALONE?\nI've shown you that the scriptures state that this is the only thing that saves. That is the gift of God and is spoken of repeatedly. I would be interested to see if you can supply anything to the contrary.\n\n>Also, how convenient that you silently conceded to the fact that NOWHERE in the Bible does it state that faith \"ALONE\" is what grants you salvation.\nI have never conceded that, because it is not true. I only seek to follow the scriptures, and this is what the scriptures clearly state.\n\n>Okay. So do dead babies go to heaven or not? Do tribal people who have never heard the gospel go to heaven or not? If you answer yes, then so much for \"faith alone.\"\nNot for me to judge.\n\n>How the hell can a book \"speak for itself?\" Are you high?\nThe scriptures are the word of God, and I supplied verses which you can read, so that God can speak to you through them. I would encourage you not to be rude.\n\n>>26\n>What faith? Where does it say that the thief had faith?\nThe thief had faith, which is how he received faith, which saved him.\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n\n>Faith without works is dead. Faith without love is nothing. Faith alone does not save.\nTrue faith will save, and true faith will be accompanied with works. But works are not what saves. You did not read the verses I posted earlier, which I told you to read, or you would not continue to say this.\n\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n\nI'm going to post some more verses, in a second post (this would be too long), because you MUST understand it."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\nHe saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\n\nPlease notice how ALL of my statements are directly backed my scripture. This is because I base my beliefs on scripture, and not the other way around. You must read and become familiar with the word of God."}, {"id": 31, "content": "He was crucified through the wrists."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>I've shown you that the scriptures state that this is the only thing that saves. That is the gift of God and is spoken of repeatedly. I would be interested to see if you can supply anything to the contrary.\nNo, you haven't. I want a verse that states \"as long as you do THESE THREE SPECIFIC THINGS,\" you will be saved.\" That is your claim, yes?\n>I have never conceded that, because it is not true. I only seek to follow the scriptures, and this is what the scriptures clearly state.\nOkay, so show me where it says we are justified by \"faith alone.\" Verbatim. The scriptures do not state that at all, heretic.\n>The scriptures are the word of God, and I supplied verses which you can read, so that God can speak to you through them. I would encourage you not to be rude.\nIs God speaking to all these thousands of denominations with wildly different doctrines? Are they all true? What are your opinions on the ancient heresies?\n>Not for me to judge.\nOkay, fine - I'll reword my question. Assuming that only faith in Christ alone can merit salvation and absolutely nothing else, would it logically follow that babies who haven't had the chance to profess their faith would be eligible to go to Heaven?\n>The thief had faith, which is how he received faith, which saved him.\nGive me a verse that shows the penitent thief had faith. Also, stop quoting Ephesians, because it says we are saved by grace, not faith.\n>True faith will save, and true faith will be accompanied with works. But works are not what saves.\nNo, you're just twisting scripture like the child of Satan you are. You have YET to show me a verse that states \"faith alone\" is what saves. Faith and works are inextricably linked; you cannot have faith unless you show it, just like you cannot be considered heroic unless you show it by doing heroic things."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIf you will not see now, then I cannot force you to. The scripture is a stumbling block for you and I hope you can read over the scripture and what has been said and find understanding."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI accept the concession. Go ahead and retreat into the bosom of your father the devil, satanist."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYou have failed to cite a single line of scripture, save for James 2, which is in agreement with me that faith without works is dead. But, as I've shown repeatedly, the NT makes it more than clear that works emanates from faith, and it is not works, but faith, that saves."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nAnd the serpent slithers back. Are you going to address my arguments, or are you going to run away again?\n>the NT makes it more than clear that works emanates from faith, and it is not works, but faith, that saves.\nCan a person be considered heroic if they haven't done anything heroic? Answer that. No such thing as faith unless it is materialized through works and charity, as James succinctly states.\n\nSatanist."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>8\nUnga bunga Jesus >>>>>>>>\nLiteral shit >>>>>>>> power gap\n>>>>>>>>>>>> Tranny catholic Jesus"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>Can a person be considered heroic if they haven't done anything heroic?\nYes, just as a man can have faith without works having time to manifest, such as the thief on the cross.\n\n>No such thing as faith unless it is materialized through works and charity, as James succinctly states.\nGood trees produce good fruit. But the works are not what sanctifies a person. I am repeating scripture over and over, but you will not listen.\n\nThe scripture is as clear as day:\n\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nWorks proceed from faith, but works are not what justify a person. If a person said that they were saved, but they were continuing to lie, and steal, and slander etc. without attempting to change, then they would not be saved. I completely agree with James, and I agree with Jesus when he speaks of good fruits, and I agree with Jesus when he says \"go and sin no more\". And I agree with Apostle Paul when he states that it is not work that saves us, but faith, and faith alone.\n\nAre you going to ignore all of this scripture, just to support faulty doctrine? I really don't think you can do this with a clear conscience.\n\nI wouldn't be taking the time to write this if I didn't think it was a matter of whether you are saved or not."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>Yes, just as a man can have faith without works having time to manifest, such as the thief on the cross.\nDon't just say yes. Explain your reasoning, dumbass. And you still haven't provided any evidence that the penitent thief had faith. You're a liar.\n>Good trees produce good fruit. But the works are not what sanctifies a person. I am repeating scripture over and over, but you will not listen.\nA good tree isn't considered a good tree UNLESS it bears fruit, dumbass. So works and faith are inextricably linked, again, as James 2 states. Oh, and Corinthians too:\n\n>1 Corinthians 13:2 - If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.\n\n>The scripture is as clear as day:\nWhen did I say that we are justified by works? Stop talking past me and address my points, you bot.\n\n>If a person said that they were saved, but they were continuing to lie, and steal, and slander etc. without attempting to change, then they would not be saved.\nBut that person still has faith in Jesus, doesn't he? So, by your own erroneous logic, he WOULD be saved.\n>Are you going to ignore all of this scripture, just to support faulty doctrine? I really don't think you can do this with a clear conscience.\nI'm not ignoring anything. You still haven't cited a single verse that states that we are justified by \"faith alone\" verbatim.\n\nAlso, why did you ignore the rest of my post, you serpent? Here, I'll post it again:\n\nssuming that only faith in Christ alone can merit salvation and absolutely nothing else, would it logically follow that babies who haven't had the chance to profess their faith would be eligible to go to Heaven?\n\nWaiting."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>But that person still has faith in Jesus, doesn't he? So, by your own erroneous logic, he WOULD be saved.\nYou've completely misunderstood every one of my posts if you're making that claim."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncatholic jesus is discount paganism"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>6\northodoxy is very globohomo tho\nt. my country's church is orthodox"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nTell me your opinion on this video - which explains what I'm trying to communicate to you - and I am willing to give you my opinion on a video or article that you find expresses your point of view.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/-HMb9YjRq8Q [Embed]"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\n>You've completely misunderstood every one of my posts if you're making that claim.\nI'm not sure you even understand yourself."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nNah, I'm not watching no video.\n\nI'm going to condense the true Catholic view on salvation, and not the one you've heard from some low-church script.\n\nFirst, we are ALL justified by grace. Not just believers, but all men.\n\n>Romans 3:24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.\n\nThat grace is given freely and undeserved, of course, but in order to receive this grace ordinarily, we must cooperate with it. We cooperate with this grace by participating in the sacraments and keeping God's commandments. This \"cooperation\" is known as faith, and it is manifested through the WORKS that I've just mentioned. This isn't the only way to receive salvation, as God can dispense his graces extraordinarily like he did to the penitent thief, but this is the ordinary route that most Christians will follow.\n\nIt's not faith + works. Rather, the works are what COMPLETE the faith, and without them, it is dead. Capiche?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMove over Catholic Jesus, it's Mary's turn"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nThis is not Biblical doctrine, hence why you are unable to cite scripture which defends each of your points; while I base my points on scripture and can therefore use multiple verses to support each one of my claims.\nCatholicism is taking a twisted view of James 2, and then ignoring the entirety of what Paul taught regarding faith and works. This is a major issue in relation to salvation, and I wouldn't be spending time talking about it if it wasn't."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!\nGalatians 1:8-9"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nOkay, fine. We can play this game. Let's retrace:\n\n>First, we are ALL justified by grace. Not just believers, but all men.\n(Romans 3:24)\n>That grace is given freely and undeserved\n(Ephesians 2:8)\n>but in order to receive this grace ordinarily, we must cooperate with it. We cooperate with this grace by participating in the sacraments and keeping God's commandments.\n(John 14:15, Matthew 7:21)\n>This \"cooperation\" is known as faith, and it is manifested through the WORKS that I've just mentioned.\n(James 2:16-18)\n>It's not faith + works. Rather, the works are what COMPLETE the faith, and without them, it is dead.\n(James 2:20-23)\n\nNow that we've gotten this out of the way, I'm actually quite curious about your citation of Galatians 1:8-9. Just how, exactly, can YOU be certain that the gospel YOU'RE preaching is the same gospel as preached in the verse you're just citing? Do not the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses claim to preach the same gospel? If you repudiate this, why? Under what authority do you, a fallible human, have to determine what is the right gospel and what is the wrong one?\n\nClue: [spirit]An infallible and authoritative magisterium and pontificate protected by the Holy Spirit.[/spoiler]"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nDamnit. Flubbed up the spoilertext. I look dumb.\n><"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nNeither John 14:15, nor Matthew 7:21, condones the Catholic sacraments. The idea that we can achieve salvation through the sacraments is twisted and is in direct opposition to what is taught by Jesus and Paul.\n\nAlso, Romans 3:24 is not referring to all men, but only to the elect. This is basic theology."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>John 14:15, nor Matthew 7:21, condones the Catholic sacraments.\nChrist instituted the sacraments for all men to follow. So yes, yes it does.\n>Also, Romans 3:24 is not referring to all men, but only to the elect.\nDid Christ die for EVERYONE's sins, or only the elect? Are you a Calvinist heretic scum?\n>This is basic theology.\nOh, you want to talk theology? Name one early church theologian that espoused Sola Scriptura."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nChrist died for everyone, but not everyone is justified by grace. Otherwise, everyone would enter heaven.\nAnd Calvinists believe that Christ died for everyone btw."}, {"id": 54, "content": "Just a reminder that this \"sacred heart\" business is modern"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nStop equivocating my words. Weren't you listening? The grace is given freely to all, but it has to be COOPERATED with.\n\nJustification ≠ Salvation"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>11\nThe thief gave fruit as he was about to be cut down.\nI can count three:\n>Defending Jesus from the accusations of the bad thef and the crowd.\n>Aknowledging his own guilt (and that of the fellow thief, leading to a possible fourth of rebuking a brother to lean him towards repentance)\n>Asking Jesus to remember him\nAnd that's just in that moment. There's also the fruit given throighout 2000 years because of this passage.\nA faith without woks is dead, much like the fig tree that died instantly upon being cursed. It's not just that it died, it's identical. Like saying a is a.\nWorks, fruit, are the signs of a living faith."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Aquinas really NEED to get into justifying \"transubstantiation\"? Seems like a lot of trouble for naught"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>did a scholastic philosopher really need to make meaningless autistic arguments?\nAnon you're talking about the guy who wrote on angelology."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter having revelatory and mystical experiences beyond mere theology and studying, St. Thomas rejected his writings and never even finished the Summa. He never wrote anything else either. He called all his work \"straw\", but his followers wouldn't listen."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBut autistic theology is made for autistic theology. No one that cares about likelihood would accept an explanation based on unverifiable metaphysical notions, so why bother only to end up with bizarre formulations as a conclusion?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt was a different time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt really wasn't. He had plenty of examples of saints and mystics to learn more fruitful things from..which he eventually did learn, by experience. Scholasticism was largely a mistake. These are holy matters. Mysteries. Not intellectual."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nPascal was right"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's all fake anyway, who cares"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>\"These are holy matters. Mysteries. Not intellectual.\"\n>orthodox mfers when they learn Jesus used dialectics against His opponents (they'll deny it)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would like to talk to you about Thomas Aquinas."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nOn what subject? On the added value of wiggerisms to a point?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nDialectics — and therefore scholastic theology — are just as valid as mystical revelation as a mean of understanding the Grace of God"}, {"id": 13, "content": "To meet his aristotelian commitments, yes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nJesus would rather watch his disciples walk away than plead with them and chart everything out like some autist. Frankly, he was way too cool for that.\nWhen he told them that they must eat his flesh and blood to have eternal life, many left him. He didn't explain his theology. He didn't debate. He didn't unravel mysteries. He is not one of us.\n>From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”-John 6:66-67"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAquinas recognized like Aristotle that philosophy is the art of making distinctions."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt's only helpful when you delude yourself that you have a grasp on the true nature of reality. Which St. Thomas finally learned that he didn't. And Aristotle never did."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nHis disciples — people who had seen, and SHOULD have believed, as He Himself put it, maybe; but I am talking about His opponents those who did not see, and neither wanted to believe. Jesus applied the teachings of Proverbs 25:9 everytime someone accused Him of preaching blasphemies. He did so for much of His time in Jerusalem before His arrest, as seen in Mark 11 to 12 after He caught literal conmen in the House of God."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Everything is inherited. Genes from parents. Behaviours from peers. Objects forms others. But who did everything originally belong to? Who created it all? What is the original substance from which everything came from?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n''the waters''"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nleft man looks like a misogynist divorcee"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I think smoking a pipe would be a fun hobby but the risk of cancer kind of ruins the fun. Same with Yerba Mate."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAdam"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYerba mate is carcinogenic?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod.\nI'm not even talking about the kike god. I'm talking about God."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThere's a distinction.\nDrinking yerba mate like Gaúchos, Uruguayans and Argentinians can be carcinogenic. They drink it boiling hot and it's known to be a factor for esophagus cancer. Your yerba mate that comes cold in a can doesn't do anything.\nThose people are quite fucked in terms of cancer, by the way. The way they prepare and eat barbecue is carcinogenic. They also smoke a lot and drink hot yerba mate. Mouth, esophagus and lung cancer are quite more common in Argentina than anywhere else."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nNo it's not. It's only carciogenic if you drink it boiling hot (100°) since that burns your throat and those burns can be carciogenic overtime. Same as tea.\n\nLuckily yerba mate is supposed to be drunk at (60-70°) celcius not boiling hot, so this >>4 is a dumb meme.\n\nWhatever medical journal spread that bullshit is retarded, nobody drinks tea or mate at a boiling point."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThe risk of cancer is only large if you breathe it into your lungs, and you're not supposed to breathe it into your lungs with pipes or cigars"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nStill better than the gasoline infused monstrodity you people consiider bbq. And irs quite the decent infusion."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nIt's supposed to be drunk at 70°, this is coming from an Argie. Nobody drinks it at boiling point, and we don't have the highest rates of esophagus or mouth cancer and I don't know where you are getting this stuff from.\n\nPic rel is mouth cancer."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nAnd aesophagus cancer."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWhat a bizarre map.\nIn any case, there's no way 70ºC is safe."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWell you can drink it ice cold too, just don't blame it on the leaf. The electric kettles come with a \"mate setting\" here, it's about 60-70° C and it cools down further between preparing it and sipping it. If you are burning your mouth or your throat, you are doing something wrong."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>Most of Europe banned snus because it was linked to oral cancer\n>Yet most of Europe has more oral cancer than Sweden and Norway, where snus is legal and commonly used\nWeird."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nThat's the Sultan and you would be correct.\nI am now going to enjoy my coffee stirred with tqo chopsticks using the vortex method, the only way to ensure your coffee's taste is optimal, on the molecular level."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnergy forces and spacetime"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nan eternal sea of infinite, raw consciousness, that our world is built upon and within; life is just a dream and atheists are not human"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nIf everything were conscious there would be no such thing as being unconscious. I would get better ideas before I de-humanized opposition if I were you."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>let me completely misunderstand what you said\nbegone hylic, you know not what you speak of because you are trapped in the world of illusion"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nAs soon as you acknowledge that it’s even possible for a person to be unconscious, then characterizing the universe as a sea of consciousness makes no sense.\nConsciousness is clearly localized in brains. If you want to be insulting then you’ll get treated like the superstitious primitive mind that you are."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>muh unconscious\nMoments of not having sensory experience and thought doesn't disprove the ontological foundations of the cosmos, just that our conscious experience is a limited slice of an infinite vista, a vortex in the sea that dissipates from time to time, and in death. And I didn't characterize the universe as a sea of consciousness, I clearly said its built within a higher sea of consciousness, a mental matrix that mystics have tapped into since time immemorial. Learn to read, moron.\n>its localized in brains\nYou nor nobody else can prove or disprove this. You are just spewing plebbit-tier materialist dogma like a complete bugman."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\nWeird, its as if anti Tabaco lobby is build on lies"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>You nor nobody else can prove or disprove this.\nIt’s a model that fits facts of reality better, especially compared to your stance that was made up by people feeling around in the dark compared to now.\n\nI mean some of you really do have a maladaptive emotional attachment to old and outdated ideas. Bitch about Reddit until you have a stroke if you want, they’re boring femme nerds, that doesn’t change the fact that you have the same understanding of reality as a shaman in the desert who didn’t know how anything worked"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>that doesn’t change the fact that you have the same understanding of reality as a shaman in the desert who didn’t know how anything worked\nAnd you do? Can you even explain how the brain \"creates\" consciousness? Because if you can, I have a Nobel prize for you. You retarded materialists have it all backwards, the material world is built upon mind and consciousness, not the opposite. This can be understood by direct experience (which is all can ever be known and trusted) and has been for tens of thousands of years across countless cultures, its only godless westerners who hate their rotten society who deny this.\n>It’s a model that fits facts of reality better, especially compared to your stance that was made up by people feeling around in the dark compared to now.\nNo it doesn't. Its a dogmatic ontology built to suit spectacularly autistic academic myopia, which ignores phenomenon its deems \"paranormal\" and \"supernatural\" because they refuse to admit their epistemologies and their consequent tools are limited and they cannot solve these problems consequently. You're the one overly attached to the maladaptive mindvirus that is materialism, which has been nothing but a scourge on the earth."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nSSRI hands typed this"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>11\n>you people\nWho is \"you people\"? Everyone BBQs with coals or wood dude, it's just that BBQing itself is somewhat carcinogenic. Nowadays most people cook meat in the oven"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose men don't dress like they own a Dunhill"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>4\nFirstly, cancer is inevitable regardless if you smoke or not. Secondly, scientists are testing vaccines and other therapies to prevent and treat cancer with high success rate. If you are under 30 then you will likely witness cancer becoming a futile illness such as polio in your lifetime. Look mRNA vaccines and other longevity therapies."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>mRNA vaccines\nKek here come the schizos. Always fun to see how scary acronyms shoo them away."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nNot on psych meds, if you can’t handle reality as is and need to resort to that level of existential escapism to handle being alive, you should ask your doctor about them."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nThey said this since 80's\nSorry man but cancer is God way of telling us its time to go, there is no curing it"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>12\nIs smoking really that popular still in Europe?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">Not on psych meds, if you can’t handle reality as is and need to resort to that level of existential escapism to handle being alive, you should ask your doctor about them."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>2\nkino answer"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>used tobacco pipe\new"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstop posting gay porn you’ve been doing this for months now"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the ancient western fringe notion that men don’t cry become popular?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nme. i invented it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nComes from England"}, {"id": 4, "content": "It's not just Western culture.\n>Semites cut off foreskin of male babies\n>Huns and some other steppe nigger slash the faces of the young boys to make them adult\n>Some African tribals whip themselves or mutilate the body of young men in some way"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>no reading comprehension\n>lists irrelevant religious rite and coming-of-age practices"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBrutalising males and asking them to take it like a man is the definition of \"men don't cry\" bullshit."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt began in the Victorian era with the reappraisal of masculinity.\nFormerly, regular men along with even masculine warriors of renown have cried out of emotional reasons for virtually all of western history without ridicule,\nin certain occasions it was even seen as dignified and virtuous."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>warriors\n>crying\nLearn to think before posting nonsense."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Men don’t cry\n\nYour next line will be “UM AKSHULLY LOOK AT THIS LITERARY WORK ABOUT ANCIENT SUPERHEROES CRYING!!”"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nWhat the fuck are you doing on a history board."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShows of emotion go in and out of fashion constantly through history.\nIt's not just a western thing either, the same shit happens everywhere.\nI'm sorry you were born a bitch in the wrong time period anon."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know probably late 19th century/early 20th century because men are constantly crying in literary depictions everywhere before that."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\n>cherrypicking\nnice one, crybaby"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did the ancient western fringe notion that men don’t cry become popular?\nRomans popularised Stoicism so much that it became the norm in the west\nIn Semitic culture (hence Book of Lamentations) it is not shamed for instance."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I could unironically beat the shit out of hitler with my bear hands."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nah, even though he's alive in Patterson NJ, he'd still kick your scrawny butt"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHe was literally deemed unfit for military service. The dude was a weakling."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">I could unironically beat the shit out of hitler with my bear hands."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler has that scrappy vibe to him. I think he’d be good in a fight."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSo why was he an army corporal in ww1?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>bear hands"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>5\n>>3\n>>2\nHItler was a manlet meth addict"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>The Bavarian police sent him back to Salzburg for induction into the Austrian Army, but he failed his physical exam on 5 February 1914 and returned to Munich.[3]\n>On the evidence of a report by the Bavarian authorities in 1924, which questioned how Hitler was allowed to serve in the Bavarian Army, Hitler almost certainly was enlisted through an error on the part of the government.\nHe joined some meme unit of the bavarian army and they had him running around delivering mail."}, {"id": 10, "content": "He had superhuman mental powers"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>He was an infantryman in the 1st Company during the First Battle of Ypres (October 1914), which Germans remember as the Kindermord bei Ypern (Ypres Massacre of the Innocents) because approximately 40,000 men (between a third and a half, many of them university students) of nine newly-enlisted infantry divisions became casualties in the first twenty days. Hitler's regiment entered the battle with 3,600 men but at its end mustered only 611 men.[10] By December, Hitler's own company of 250 was reduced to 42. Biographer John Keegan claims that this experience drove Hitler to become aloof and withdrawn for the remaining years of war.[11] After the battle, Hitler was promoted from Schütze (private) to Gefreiter (lance corporal). He was assigned to be a regimental message-runner.\n\n\n>At the Nuremberg Trials, two of his former superiors testified that Hitler had refused to be considered for promotion.[A 3] Hitler was twice decorated for bravery. He received the Iron Cross Second Class in 1914 and the Iron Cross First Class in 1918, an honour rarely given to a lance corporal.\n\n>During the Battle of the Somme in October 1916 Hitler received a wound in his left thigh when a shell exploded at the entrance to the dispatch runners' dugout.[24] He begged not to be evacuated,[25] but was sent for almost two months to the Red Cross hospital at Beelitz in Brandenburg. Thereafter, he was ordered to the depot in Munich. He wrote to his commanding officer, Hauptmann Fritz Wiedemann, asking that he be recalled to the regiment because he could not tolerate Munich when he knew his comrades were at the Front.[26] Wiedemann arranged for Hitler's return to his regiment on 5 March 1917.\n\n\n>On 15 October 1918, he and several comrades were temporarily blinded—and according to Friedelind Wagner,[27] Hitler also lost his voice—due to a British mustard gas attack. After initial treatment, Hitler was hospitalized in Pasewalk in Pomerania."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>nooooooo dont quote verifiable facts outlining his awards and achievements, he was an ebil nazi, the official enemy of my capitalist overlords!!!\nI dont know about you guys but i sure am happy that we won the war, imagine life without mcdondalds. i also heard he had one testicle, have you heard that song?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKids who say this would be the first to get their ass kicked. Goering would sit on you while Hitler curbstomped you and gave you to Mengele for dental work."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>soldier goes through some shit while fighting\n>no exceptional fighting prowess displayed\nWow man I'm sure getting shelled and being withdrawn will help this vegetarian art student when I get him in a headlock and squeeze until his head pops off like a champagne cork"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nI would still kick the shit out of him in a pub brawl\n\nThose metals don't mean a thing when you have a bottle being smashed across your face and your head being smashed into the pavement"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHe'd probably fuck you up and your pussy ass wouldn't even be talking big talk if he was still alive lol"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>implying anyone in this thread couldn't kick the shit out of a vegan art student far past his prime if you saw him in a pub\nIt wouldn't even be hard. I'd just point and say \"ach meine gott, Juden!\"\n\nThen when he turns to look I would smash a bottle against his head and climb on top of him before grabbing a handful of that greasy black hair and smashing his head into the cobblestone until it spilled like a dropped pumpkin\n\nI would fucking KILL Hitler and probably wouldn't even break a sweat\n\nLet's see this pencil neck talk shit about his master race when he's not on a raised platform and surrounded by armed thugs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If a time traveler from 1940 arrived in America in 2023, they would assume the U.S. lost WWII."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>dominates the globe\n>no competition withing the West\n>soviets are gone\n>Nazis are gone\nNo they wouldn't."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThey also wouldn't understand why you're wearing a dress."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>le poverty is... le bad"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Unregulated energy and markets\n>horrible, thirdie tier demographics\n>no sense of identity as a people anymore\n>Anglo origin is completely phased out by now\n>Lack of social conscience and cohesion\n>no central figure of paternal and military leadership\n>obese\n>retarded\n>entire society is based on debt\nIt doesn't even resemble fascism. Also most Americans were against the war still in 1940, the overwhelming majority in fact. Most wouldn't know what to make of the USA."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWhat about poverty is not bad?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namerica wasn't even in ww2 in 1940, how could they lose?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "How do you respond."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThe point is that poverty always existed. It was especially bad during the Depression too."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHe's right, you know."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe get it, Niggers and trannies bad. Now fuck off to /pol/. Inb4 you post a shitty wojak or something."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">We get it, Niggers and trannies bad. Now fuck off to /pol/. Inb4 you post a shitty wojak or something."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nlmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>>12\nHahaha epik meme dood XDD"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nthey'd conclude germany won"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nyou had some interesting social policies, but then you declared war on us, so.."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nI remember when we could browse this website without having 2016+ kids bringing up trannies in every fucking thread."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">I remember when we could browse this website without having 2016+ kids bringing up trannies in every fucking thread."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo they wouldn't, if the nazis had conquered the US there would be no blacks or Jews alive, idiot redneck neocon kikesucker"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt must suck to be a cop in a city like San Francisco\n>no actual serious crime, can't shoot people\n>full of disgusting people od'ing and shitting themselves."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's fine the instant democrats don't dominate civic government"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrue.\n>>2\nThe Average American does not dominate the globe.\n>their one ally which shared the most state secrets is gone\nI bet you didnt even know the KGB reported on British Security Coordination and Mi6 to the CIA while the BSC and Mi6 refused to interact with American intelligence and refused to assist America even during the Cold War.\n>Nazis are gone\nyou mean the people who carried the last legacy of Hamiltonian economics?\n>>5\nAmerica losing does not necessitate fascism, likewise Germany losing did not make them communist or democratic in 2023.\n>>14\n>>15\n>>17\nt. \"Men\" in dresses"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nIt is quite epic in all honesty"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey did. How can you win a war when you're fighting against your own best interests?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>8\n>>12\n>>unknown\n>>18\n>>19\n>>20\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>Step 1. Make \"Hitler should have won\" thread.\n\n>Step 2. Encounter disagreement.\n\n>Step 3. Derail thread and talk about homosexuals and trannies.\n\nI'm totally not seething about Hitler losing WWII bros. I'm not mad that Hitler lost and I think a smelly alley on Skid Row somehow means the West has le fallen"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA time traveler from 1940 wouldn't assume America lost WWII because America wasn't a part of WWII until the end of 1941"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\n>NOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY AMERICA WON WWII\n>YOU'RE A TRANNY"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nBeing a policeman in much of the US is stressful because any crackhead you nab could be carrying a gun, and besides that you have to see the unfortunate human effects of a very unequal society. Even if you don't face life threatening danger, you have to answer calls to overdoses, gunshot suicides, car crashes, etc."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>17\nI had a great time on that website.\n\nIt's a shame faggots like OP and the other retard in this thread exist to ruin everyone else's fun\n\nI for one think they should be drug out into the streets and shot"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>4\n>living next to feral niggers who want to stab you everytime you go out is... LE bad"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>3\n\nMore like I'd be asking Ed Wood why he's wearing a dress lol"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKinda true, they lost the Third World War against trannies."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere does the time traveler land? I assume they have a radically different opinion if thry landed in Detroit or Oakland vs your average suburb"}, {"id": 34, "content": "It's really interesting how Hitler at this point is just a figurehead for \"things that go against what the left believes\".\nPeople seem to believe that he was fighting against values people 70 years alter would like."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>8\nI would punch him in the face and throw him in prison for being a mass murdering terrorist"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe if you dumped them in downtown LA, but if you put them in my town they'd probably feel like very little had changed, besides the design of the cars."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nI mean they'll call you a nazi for having a different opinion so it doesn't matter"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>15\nhi kike"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>25\nthere were less murders in 1950s Baltimore than in 2023."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>8\nhey cool it with the antisemitic remarks, but apart from that yeah well said"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\n>NOOOO you can't just call me literally Hitler for disagreeing with you\nThe first few posts are just you butthurt faggots calling everyone who goes against Nazism, \"trannies\"."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>3\nSPBP"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anna Komnene on Bohemond of Taranto:\n\"He was a marvel for the eyes to behold, and his reputation was terrifying... He was so tall in stature that he overtopped the tallest by nearly one cubit, narrow in the waist and loins, with broad shoulders and a deep chest and powerful arms. And in the whole build of the body he was neither too slender nor overweighted with flesh, but perfectly proportioned... His skin all over his body was very white, and in his face the white was tempered with red. His hair was yellowish, but did not hang down to his waist like that of the other barbarians; for the man was not inordinately vain of his hair, but had it cut short to the ears. Whether his beard was reddish, or any other colour I cannot say, for the razor had passed over it very closely and left a surface smoother than chalk... His blue eyes indicated both a high spirit and dignity… A certain charm hung about this man but was partly marred by a general air of the horrible... His wit was manifold and crafty and able to find a way of escape in every emergency. In conversation he was well informed, and the answers he gave were quite irrefutable.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAutism"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Medoids have always been fascinated by colored and more rugged features of North Europeans,infact every culture has been. They can cope all they want by muh Barbarians but stereotyping your enemy as some large and badass violent brute will only get the panties of your women wet. This is why there are no legends of mass rape when Rome and countless other Roman cities were sacked. Women just willingly submitted to their stronger and more masculine conquerors."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWow. A woman made some compliments to a white knight that she saw once and never interacted with, and this spawned one million 4chan threads (likely by the same 2 or 3 autistic losers who LARP as the strong Aryan while being incels IRL)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTancred probably did not like Bohemond, going out of his way to not ransom him, and did more to stabilize the Princedom of Antioch than Bohemond ever did."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Was bohemond the one who became keeper of the holy sepulchre?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's impossible to not feel second-hand cringe from these khv incels even ironically larping as \"nordic\" chads."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Imagine if your diary made some medcels seethe even a thousand years later."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIt is important to imagime the raceposter as not a social failure. Which he probably is."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">It is important to imagime the raceposter as not a social failure. Which he probably is."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncool post shitskinned mongrel\nnow post that part from the alexiad in which Anna simps like crazy after her first byzantine fiancé"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>now post that part from the alexiad in which Anna simps like crazy after her first byzantine fiancé\nThats called Stockholm syndrome my dear Amerimutt friend."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\ncope mongrel\nywnbw"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>First female historian ever\n>Writes about her teenage crush\nI thought Bohemond was an Italian Med though? Why is he described as Germanic by his contemporaries?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nhe was born in southern italy and grew up there, but his parents were northern french"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nBohemond was an Italo-Norman and a member of the minor Norman House of Hauteville (founded by a 10th century viking Norseman named Hjalti). His father Robert Guiscard was a famous Norman knight and adventurer."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nThe Normans had conquered Sicily (including Southern Italy, ofc) and taken it over. His father actually sacked Rome in 1084, hilariously. Now his son is in the Holy Land, totally being a great and honorable crusader - I swear.\nHis family's anti-Papal past probably did endear him to the Byzantine royalty too, especially in comparison to the other crusaders.\nHis house's name, Hauteville, is a French corruption of a Norse name."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>His family's anti-Papal past probably did endear him to the Byzantine royalty too, especially in comparison to the other crusaders.\nNot at all, since they invaded byzantium and almost conquered it"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nAlexios had to personally btfo Bohemund out of Greece (while his father Robert was preoccupied by Byzantine-funded revolts in Italy), Bohemund was the #1 source of potential trouble for Alexios during the 1st Crusade and it turned out to be the right idea. Bohemund took Antioch, screwed Byzantine plan for resecuring Anatolia, and spoiled Byzantine-Catholic relations.\nByzantines and Pope didn't hate each other, despite the Schism things weren't ruined between both sides. The Pope helping Alexios is demonstration of their potential to cooperate."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are some surefire strategies to increasing my faith? I want to never doubt, ever again."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPray without ceasing, spend more time with your brothers and sisters, bury yourself in the word of God"}, {"id": 3, "content": "lobotomy"}, {"id": 4, "content": "By understanding that you are a sinner, and that you deserve to be thrown into hell by God, who is completely just. And then you must understand that God loved the world so much as to send his only Son, so that his death might be a payment for your sins.\n\nYou MUST trust that Jesus' death was a payment for all your sins, and you must repent of your past sins, and now you must strive to serve God.\n\nPray to God repeatedly and ask that the Holy Spirit dwell in you. Read the scriptures EVERY DAY and research every verse that you do not understand."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>By understanding that you are a sinner, and that you deserve to be thrown into hell by God\nThat’s not even the teaching"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMy friend, if you do not understand this, then you cannot be saved.\nWe have all fallen short, and we are all wicked sinner, and none of us are deserving to go to heaven.\n\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nWe must look to the law and understand that we are HOPELESS. But God loved us, so that he sent his Son, so that by his sacrifice on the cross, we might have eternal life.\n\n>For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.\nJohn 3:16\n\nAll who understand this will say:\n>Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!\n2 Corinthians 9:15"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>We must look to the law and understand that we are HOPELESS.\n\nNo, Christianity is LEARNED hopelessness"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou have to stick your finger in your ass and chant\n>the stepfather, the stepson, the holy cuckerino, amen\nFor 5 hours for maxed out effects. Good luck."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWe are all hopeless without Jesus. We will all die, as the wages of our sin is death.\n\nFor the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\nDeath is an unavoidable consequence of sin, and something that we will all endure. It is unavoidable. But the hope of the cross is that we have been given the opportunity to have our sins forgiven, so that we might have eternal life.\n\n>For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.\nJohn 3:16"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nkek"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nAgain, this is more learned hopelessness. You can just drone on with your verses, but it won't change anything. All you do this for is because you just don't want to face the fact that this is just fatalism you voluntarily took on, to avoid any kind of responsibility. I'm not going to better myself or the world around me, because everything is hopeless anyway. Peoplelike you just make me sick"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>because everything is hopeless anyway\nWe have the greatest promise of all - that Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross, and that we can have eternal life if we believe in this fully, and repent of our sins."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNo, my dear, that's not to release you of your sins. It's to release you of your personal responsibility. In fact, heaven is just our world, except you're not responsible for anything.You long to escape into this world, because deep down you're just a shitbag who never takes responsibility for anything"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfasting"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nbased sanic"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThe responsibility that Jesus gives to us is the greatest responsibility on earth. We are to:\n>Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8\n\nThis means that if we truly repent from our sins, then we must bear good fruit - we are to \"go and sin no more\" (John 8:11)."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAgain, you can stop it with these robotic responses, or at least just program a chatbot to do it for you. None of this will have an effect. The reason is very simple: Christianity is clearly an escape from responsibility, not an embrace of it. This is one of the clearest explanations I've ever encountered, and it makes everything in Christianity explicable.\n\nThe core of Christianity is of course the turning of the other cheek. Instead of confronting someone who does you harm, you just passively accept it, because you have another world you can escape to.\n\nChristianity is just moral escapism. Please get over it already"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nCope"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you believe a virgin gave birth to a magic jew who died, came alive again then went to live in the sky?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nNope"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nYou can ignore it all you want, but you are living in sin, and if you do not repent, then you will receive your just punishment. To live in that way is true escapism and a true lack of responsibility."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndoubt is the essence of faith"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\n>Christianity is just moral escapism\nit is the exact opposite. It's the most absolute moral commitment"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>Why do you believe a virgin gave birth to a magic jew who died, came alive again then went to live in the sky?\n\nwhy do you believe fish for some reason go out from river and transformed into bird that fly away ?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead the Quran."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\nFind in the Bible where hell is the punishment for sins against the law. I’ll wait"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nMatthew 5:29 \"If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.\""}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nIs that some pokemon thing?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThis is a warning of hell and a call to righteousness, it’s not saying everyone listening deserves hell because they lay have stumbled in the past"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nyeah its called science"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nIt is a warning because hell is, in fact, the punishment for sins against the law. how would the warning make sense at all otherwise?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nNo it isn't. If it was, you wouldn't need an afterlife, you'd be solely concerned with the here and now. After all, that's where your morality has actual real effects, and where you can make an actual difference.\n\nInstead, you just want to escape into a dreamworld where you'll be happy forever. Apparently, actual moral responsibility is too much for you"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\nNo, you're living in denial. 'Sin' is just a nice thing you can project onto others, so you don't have to look at your own faults. If it wasn't, why do you obsessively talk about someone else's sins, instead of your own?\n\nThis makes far more sense if the cross is seen as a replacement for responsibility, instead of a confirmation of it"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\npffft, science? ridiculous, just use common sense and worship a jew raised by a cuck, imma right?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>how would the warning make sense at all otherwise?\nIf it’s a warning against not accepting his forgiveness, grace, kingship etc. plenty of things. But clearly hell is NOT “the punishment for sins against the law” if a just God doesn’t place all people who sin against the law in hell"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nno no no we should all believe that man can get pregnant and that vaccines are safe"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\nPokemon is science? Was your highschool teacher doctor Oak?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\ntell me were we on the moon ?"}, {"id": 39, "content": "Why is doubt such a bad thing?\nWhy do fundamental theists break down at the mere sight of any sort of suffering?\nIf your faith was reasonable then you'd have a strong foundation. It may get dinged up but you'll be fine. But it seems like all theiests build their house on paper foundations and then act suprised when it falls apart.\nHave you considered that your religion was never that strong to begin with? At least kierkegaard had the decency to admit that the foundations were built upon unreasonable faith, why cant you admit the same?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\nIt is a task bestowed on everyone to keep the Word alive, aided by the Holy Ghost that moves with us following Christ's death.\n\nHappiness, actual happiness, is the establishment a universal historical community. Happiness only makes sense on the basis of human temporality, which is gestation, a historical process. This is the only place where man will find his reward. The possibility of universailty is in us already.\nMan can be perfect and can love unconditionaly, and he's impelled to do so in and by his own temporal/historical core. He can either choose to be up to the task, or falter.\nThis is the truth of Christianity. Absolute commitment towards universality."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>26\nI hope you're still waiting!\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n>“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”\nMatthew 25:46\n\nNone of us are righteous by our own efforts, because we have all broken the law:\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nWe are therefore deserving of eternal punishment/death/hell (Romans 6:23, Matthew 25:46, and many more).\n\nBut we receive righteousness through faith in Jesus. This is the gift of eternal life.\n\n>This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\n>>33\nIf my sin was not of great concern to me, then I wouldn't be Christian."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>>For the wages of sin is death\nMhm\n>>“Then they will go away to eternal punishment\nClearly just for having sinned, because otherwise the people on the right would have the same fate.\n>Romans 6:23, Matthew 25:46, and many more\nMight as well post them if they are better evidence than the first two"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nClearly *not* just for having sinned"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\n>No, you're living in denial. 'Sin' is just a nice thing you can project onto others, so you don't have to look at your own faults. If it wasn't, why do you obsessively talk about someone else's sins, instead of your own?\nThis is a good point, we should all be worried about only our own sins. It’s still the case that as a Christian you have no problems other than your own wretchedness"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>24\nRead any introductory text on evolution. At this stage you don't even know what it is you reject so no rational discussion can take place."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\ntell me is global warming real ?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nWhat exactly is your issue with this? The Bible is explicitly clear that we are condemned to hell for our sin. That is the entire reason as to why Jesus was sent as our saviour.\n\nThe law allows us to see that we are not righteous in the eyes of God.\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nWe have stolen, lied, lusted, blasphemed etc. and none are worthy to enter the glory of God by our own efforts. It is only due to the mercy of God, in sending his Son as a sacrifice for our sins, that we are saved.\n\n>25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:25-26"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>The Bible is explicitly clear that we are condemned to DEATH for our sin. That is the entire reason as to why Jesus was sent as our saviour\nFixed that for you. I agree it’s clear\n>We have stolen, lied, lusted, blasphemed etc. and none are worthy to enter the glory of God by our own efforts\nThat’s true. But that’s not hell.\n>Romans 3:25-26\nStill no quotes that shows God sends someone to hell for eating bacon.\n>What exactly is your issue with this?\nBecause infinite punishment for finite sins is evil and unjust and it’s not in the Bible"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nYou will not be saved until you realise that you are deserving of eternal punishment for your sins. Right now, you are committing idolatry by creating an alternative-god who does not punish sins."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nThe Bible says that the wages of sin is death, and that Hell (as distinct from death) is only the punishment for the rejecting of God’s final offer of forgiveness through Christ Jesus. I don’t worship a god that wants to torment me just for not being perfect."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nHell is not distinct from the death spoken of in Romans 6:23. It is one in the same.\n>I don’t worship a god that wants to torment me just for not being perfect.\nThen you don't worship the God of justice. You will continue to live in sin, being too prideful to acknowledge that you are a corrupted sinner who is deserving of hell, and you reject that Jesus' death on the cross was necessary for your salvation."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>Hell is not distinct from the death spoken of in Romans 6:23. It is one in the same\nBiblical evidence? You know Paul was a second temple Jew right? They believed in sheol only. I’m not arguing that true hell doesn’t exist, or that he didn’t believe in it, but that it’s not the punishment just for being imperfect. And you have no biblical evidence otherwise.\n>Then you don't worship the God of justice\nI worship the God of justice because heaven and hell are given out in a way that doesn’t respect persons. You worship a god of chaos and injustice because the same sin which God overlooks in one person, he uses to condemn to hell in another.\n>you reject that Jesus' death on the cross was necessary for your salvation\nNo I don’t."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>Biblical evidence? You know Paul was a second temple Jew right? They believed in sheol only. I’m not arguing that true hell doesn’t exist, or that he didn’t believe in it, but that it’s not the punishment just for being imperfect. And you have no biblical evidence otherwise.\nHell is absolutely Biblical and the death spoken of in Romans 6:23 is absolutely referring to the eternal death of hell.\n\nHere's the views of one theologian on the matter, if you're interested:\n>DR. W. ROBERT GODFREY: Well, I’m sure, as our listeners know, Romans 6:23 says, “The wages of sin is death and the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ.” And I think when you put death next to life in that verse, we really see what kind of death Paul is talking about. That the word eternal can modify not only life but can also modify death there. So the wages of sin is eternal death. Now, we can rightly see in Scripture that it’s appropriate to say the wages of sin is physical death. Death came into the world as a result of sin. But I think what Paul is saying at the end of Romans 6 is much more serious. That the ultimate fruit of sin in the life of a creature of God is not just physical death, but eternal death, separated from the love of God in hell.\n>So Paul is making a very, very strong statement there. And of course, what he wants to be saying in many ways is that if you want to earn your way, you’re going to end up dead. And the only hope of life, eternal life, is to receive the gift of God, which is life in Jesus Christ.\n\nI'll make a second post to address the other statements you've made."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">I worship the God of justice because heaven and hell are given out in a way that doesn’t respect persons. You worship a god of chaos and injustice because the same sin which God overlooks in one person, he uses to condemn to hell in another\nNo, I'm afraid that you're wrong. The only way that we are cleaned from our sin is by the blood of Jesus on the cross. God is not arbitrary; if we are washed clean from our sin, and repent and sin no more (Matthew 3:8, John 8:11), then we are made righteous in the eyes of God.\nIf we refuse to be made clean, and refuse to repent, then we remain unrighteous in the eyes of God, and will be cast into hell.\n\n> 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.\n>11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.\n>13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’\nMatthew 22:10-13\n\nThe man was found in the wedding hall without being clothed in righteousness. He was therefore cast out of the kingdom and into \"the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.\" - this is referring to hell, of course."}, {"id": 55, "content": "If you deny that you are a sinner, and that a wholly righteous and just God cannot allow you to enter heaven, then you will not accept the death of Jesus on the cross. His death was a gift, so that we might be cleansed of our past sins. This is the fundamental message of Christianity, and the single most important message in the history of the world."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\n>>51\n\nGuys,guys dont forget about Purgatory place where Gods sends people of which he believes are still worthy to acces heaven"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nIs it true or is it false that for you and your god, the same sin which God overlooks in one person, he uses to condemn to hell in another?\n>>55\n>If you deny that you are a sinner\nI don’t.\n>and that a wholly righteous and just God cannot allow you to enter heaven\nSo you agree that a wholly righteous and just God cannot allow you to enter Heaven. Got it.\n>This is the fundamental message of Christianity, and the single most important message in the history of the world\nAnd you’re butchering it into a monstrosity"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>And you’re butchering it into a monstrosity\nNTA but how do you know he's \"butchering\" it? The Church has taught this for centuries. You're going against years of tradition, backed by nothing but your own fallible hermeneutics."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nBecause it’s not Orthodox"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nGod does not overlook any sin. All sin makes the sinner guilty and deserving of eternal damnation, because all have fallen short of the righteousness that God requires. That includes me, you, and everybody that has ever lived (except for Jesus).\n\n>for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God\nRomans 3:23\n\nPlease read and understand this verse. ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT. Everyone! We cannot justify ourselves. Does this mean there is no hope? NO! The next verse is:\n\n>and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.\nRomans 3:24\n\nBut despite being sinners, and thus undeserving of heaven, we are JUSTIFIED FREELY through the death and resurrections of Jesus Christ. This is the absolute fundamental message of Christianity. There is NO DEBATE here - the scriptures are crystal clear, and the belief you are espousing is not found among any real theologians, as it is quite literally a heresy and a denial of the reason as to why Jesus died on the cross.\n\nThat is why I'm continuing to discuss this with you, because it is of absolute importance that you understand this, for the sake of your own soul."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n“The rejection of Jesus is not his crucifixion. He is crucified by our sin. Every time we sin we put the nails in the hands by Jesus. We are responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. But the rejection of Jesus is not his crucifixion. The rejection of Jesus is the rejection of the preaching of the gospel that he has been raised by the dead. That’s where the judgment is. Everybody crucified Jesus. The question is do we believe that he was raised from the dead by God for the forgiveness of sins? That’s the judgment. And that’s why Jesus says the only unforgivable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when in fact you cold-bloodly, in full knowledge, absolutely freely, look at what is true, and say ‘I don’t want it’. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the refusal of the forgiveness of sins. It’s the refusal even to admit that you’re sinful at all. ‘Nothing is wrong.’” - Fr Hopko. This is why there is sin unto death, and also 'sin not leading to death', in 1 John 5. I hope this helps to clear up your confusion about how your God of absolute perfect justice can still let sinners like us into Heaven without compromising on the rule. The rule is Jesus crucified and resurrected ONLY, it’s not anything to do with the old law."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nThe quote by Hopko does not support your point and I really don't think you're addressing any of my points; I would encourage you to reread my posts, making sure you understand, and then to ask specific questions relating to what you don't understand, or what you continue to disagree with."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nIf you don’t disagree with the quote then we don’t have anything to disagree on. It means that the Hell-judgment is only decided by one’s negative relationship to the Gospel. It is not the result of finite, lesser sins."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nI'm wondering how you could have read this post (pic) and still continued to argue. What exactly do you have trouble with?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis list should help you\nhttps://pastelink.net/2w1ne"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\n>God does not overlook any sin\nGod overlooks sins when we are cleaned from our sin (in God’s eyes) by the blood of Jesus on the cross. Will God “not overlook” the sins that you’ve had washed away by the blood of Jesus? Will he condemn you for them? No. Therefore, we conclude from this that they didn’t damn you to hell. The only thing that would have damned you to hell would have been not washing them in Christ’s blood. That’s it.\n>All sin makes the sinner guilty and deserving of eternal damnation\nExcept those sins which are cleaned. Those sins don’t, because they have been cleansed."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nThat was stated in the second half of the post."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nThe second half of the post failed to mention how those whose souls are redeemed by Christ are undeserving of hell and to give hell to the saints and to Christ’s people would be unjust."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nThis is a very complicated theological matter - the question if we still deserve to go to hell, even after being made righteous. Because we do not deserve grace, but receive it by God's mercy. So none of us deserve our salvation. So then do we still technically deserve to go to hell?\nIt's an interesting question, and maybe somewhat semantic.\n\nWell, you seem to agree, so that's good enough."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>This is a very complicated theological matter\nIt’s not a complicated theological matter if you remember that the final Hell-judgment comes from the one unforgivable sin of rejecting the gospel, not from the crucifixion of Christ or any other sins. Once you have that under control, the complexity falls away. The saints must deserve Heaven or else God ceases to be just. Scripture says we will be judged on our works.\n>It's an interesting question, and maybe somewhat semantic\nNot semantic. Your God is a monster for condemning people to hell for eating bacon."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>It’s not a complicated theological matter if you remember that the final Hell-judgment comes from the one unforgivable sin of rejecting the gospel, not from the crucifixion of Christ or any other sins. Once you have that under control, the complexity falls away. The saints must deserve Heaven or else God ceases to be just. Scripture says we will be judged on our works.\nThey deserve heaven because they have been justified in the blood of Jesus, and by their faith. They were not justified because of their works.\n\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\n>Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.\nGalatians 2:16\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n\n>Not semantic. Your God is a monster for condemning people to hell for eating bacon.\nSo you still clearly don't understand and are blaspheming."}, {"id": 72, "content": "To \"deserve heaven\" is in the realm semantics because no one is righteous enough by their own works to enter heaven. Yet they were granted righteousness by the mercy of God. So am I still \"deserving\" of hell, despite being made clean, if it was not by my works that I made myself clean? You could say both yes and no, depending on your understanding of what is meant by \"deserve\"."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>They deserve heaven because they have been justified in the blood of Jesus, and by their faith\nRight, despite having sinned in their life. Therefore, no such sin condemns, except the one sin of rejecting the gospel.\n>>72\n>am I still \"deserving\" of hell, despite being made clean, if it was not by my works that I made myself clean?\nNo, you’re not. As long as you accept the Gospel, you are not deserving of Gehenna, and the Bible doesn’t say you are. You may be undeserving of Heaven, as one who accepts the Gospel, and indeed it is an undeserved gift. But all being undeserving of Heaven is not the same as all deserving Gehenna. To be deserving of Gehenna, you have to commit the final sin which is rejecting God’s final offer of forgiveness in Christ."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>66\n>God overlooks sins when we are cleaned from our sin (in God’s eyes) by the blood of Jesus on the cross.\nNo, they are imputed to Christ, while Christ's righteousness is imputed to the believer.\n\n\"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.\"\n- 2 Corinthians 5:21\n\n'But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.\nBut before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.\nWherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.\"\n- Galatians 3:22-24\n\n>Will God “not overlook” the sins that you’ve had washed away by the blood of Jesus?\nYes, see Isaiah 53.\n\n\"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.\n6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.\n7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.\n8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.\n9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.\n10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.\"\n- Isaiah 53:5-10"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nNow this is semantics."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>70\n>if you remember that the final Hell-judgment comes from the one unforgivable sin of rejecting the gospel\nNo, that's not what the Biblical account says. See the following:\n\n\"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.\n17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.\n18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.\"\n- John 3:16-18\n\nNotice what John 3:18 says. It says that those who believe not are condemned ALREADY. Likewise in John chapter 5 it says this:\n\n\"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.\n46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.\n47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?\"\n- John 5:45-47\n\nSo we see that judgement has already been passed on the world due to the Law, and they are already condemned before anything due to their own sin, regardless of whether or not anyone died for their sins.\n\n\"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.\n20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.\"\n- Romans 3:19-20"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nIt says in Isaiah 53:10, the LORD punished our sins when Christ was on the cross. We are bought with a price, according to the Bible.\n\n\"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?\n20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.\"\n- 1 Corinthians 6:19-20\n\n\"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.\"\n- 2 Peter 2:1\n\n\"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;\n24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:\n25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;\n26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.\"\n- Romans 3:23-26"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>Notice what John 3:18 says. It says that those who believe not are condemned ALREADY\n…It helps to read the next verse, which says “ because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”\n>So we see that judgement has already been passed on the world due to the Law\nWhere?\nSatan in the world isn’t even condemned until John 16:11"}, {"id": 79, "content": "Good to see others using scriptures as their guide, rather than their whims"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nI don't know where you're getting your theology, but it isn't from the Bible. Are you basing your views off of the teachings of a denomination?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\n>We are bought with a price, according to the Bible\nYes, the price of Christ’s love on the cross.\n>Romans 3:23-26\nNothing in there that adds to your thesis one bit."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>79\nTo their own destruction in this case, potentially\n\n>>80\nAre you nuda scriptura? Are you going to answer the response I gave >>73 ?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nThere isn't a question in that post.\n\nWhere are you getting your theology from?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>Yes, the price of Christ’s love on the cross.\nIn Romans 3:25 as I quoted a moment ago, \"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,\"\n\nSee that? It's talking about having faith in His blood to cleanse our sins. As it also says in Romans:\n\"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.\" (Romans 5:9)\n\nYou see here where it also says \"Justified by His blood,\" just as in Romans 3:25 it says, \"Through faith in His blood.\"\n\nThis is the picture of us being saved from wrath through the blood of the Lamb of God. When the Lord would have condemned us, He saw the blood and passed over us.\n\n\"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?\"\n(Hebrews 9:14)\n\n\"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.\n15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.\n16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.\"\n- Hebrews 4:14-16\n\n\"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.\"\n- 1 John 1:9"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>53\n>So the wages of sin is eternal death\nThe end result of living is eternal death. But for real."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nTraditional exegesis"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nIf Christ’s blood saves you, then the sins which it’s covering, by definition, did not condemn you. If Christ’s blood doesn’t save you, then it was your rejection of the blood that is what condemned you, as opposed to your prior sins, which could have been covered, and which in and of themselves didn’t condemn you to hell.\n\nCan anyone dispute this with scripture?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>If Christ’s blood saves you, then the sins which it’s covering, by definition, did not condemn you.\nThe sins originally condemned us before we were saved, yes.\n\n\"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;\n2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:\n3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.\n4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,\n5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)\n6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:\n7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.\n8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:\n9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.\"\n- Ephesians 2:1-9"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>The sins originally condemned us before we were saved, yes.\nI’m talking about condemnation unto hell, meaning Gehenna, eternal conscious torment. Not condemnation unto sheol, obviously."}, {"id": 90, "content": "So all is to say\n>By understanding that you are a sinner, and that you deserve to be thrown into hell by God\nThis is literally not even the teaching. It’s true that we are all condemned to death by our sinful nature, which is inherited. That’s quite different from deserving the Lake of Fire of the resurrection for the same. A very ugly and heterodox teaching, that everyone currently deserves fire and brimstone."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">nearly all the answer to op are to make him feel like he deserves to be severely punished\nHoly shit I’m glad I escaped this bullshit religion.\nThe truth will set you free op, leave Christianity, never have faith crises again."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nThat's what the bible teaches. Everyone deserves wrath, but believers receive mercy."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nThere is no truth outside of Christ"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nActually the teaching is that everyone receives mercy, but deniers receive wrath in the end. Your reversing of the emphasis is the result of fallen false gospel."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>90\nThat is the teaching, and it is as clear as day.\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\nThe wages - that is, what we rightfully deserve as payment - of sin is death. Meaning, we all deserve death. That is why it was only by MERCY that God gave us His Son."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nLearn the difference between Sheol (the wages of sin) and Gehenna (punishment for rejecting Christ) and where they fit into eschatology and the Final Judgment"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>93\nYou can stop believing in Christianity tomorrow and all the things that are true will still be true besides Christianity. Leaving that religion and living a free life is a truly amazing feeling and I recommend it"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\n>Leaving that religion and living a free life is a truly amazing feeling and I recommend it\nI find that putting away my Christianity results in a void in my heart that needs to be healed"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nMaybe you need a gf"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nImplying those fill the void that Christ fills, in any remote way-lol"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\nNothing is true apart from Christ, you are stealing from God. God is truth, and all things are true only because God makes them true. If you claim there is truth apart from God, then I must know how you plan to distinguish between truth and falsehood?"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>97\n>living a free life"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\n>it's amateur sophistry hour\n>again"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nAre you saying that if you weren't a christian, you would be a weed addicted pornfiend gamer? That's sad, sounds like you have no self control."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>102\nDon’t eat burgers or watch porn or smoke weed or play games or watch Netflix if you don’t want to or think it’s bad for you then.\nI don’t understand what’s wrong with the people on this board."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>>105\nYou're the slaves of sin"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nWhat kind?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nLiterally the only thing Christians aren’t allowed to do in that image is porn and maybe weed so it doesn’t even make sense in the first place.\nAgain I don’t know what’s wrong with the people here, maybe it’s just the same Christians posting all the time."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>3\nunironically this, lower your IQ below roughly 60, you will stop caring about \"why\".\nAlternatively daily indoctrination sessions or even indoctrination retreats for months. Prayer beads, rereading the same passages over and over, if that doesn't help whip yourself bloody with a rasor-whip like muslims do. Thats the only way to pretend at least for a while that your religion actually delivered what it promised and that you have not been duped."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>100\nHow would you know? I was a Christian and then not and I think you might be gay if nutting in your hot girlfriend isn’t better than church"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nSlave of sin"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nYou are going to the wrong church if sinning is better for you than going"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\nSlave of Jewish fables."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nNta but maybe you really are gay. Have you ever had sex? And I mean good sex in a long term relationship with a woman who doesn't suck in bad, not shitty drunk one night stands."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\n>\"Jewish\" = bad\nmidwit alert"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nYeah I have"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nI didn't say that, I quite like the chosen people. If you were worshipping Enlil, I'd call you a slave of Sumerian fables instead. Nothing personal against the ethnicity."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nJewish tales are the only ones worthy of worship"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>116\nMaybe your girlfriend actually just sucked in bed. Or you do, that's also an option. Or your relationship sucked overall, that can also play a role."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>113\nNo man's freer than the slave of Christ."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\nBecause the Jewish tales say so, yeah right."}, {"id": 122, "content": "believing in \"jewish fairy tales\" > being a depressed loser who doesn't believe in anything at all"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>119\nI’ve had good sex with women and it doesn’t hold a candle to the importance in my life of religion"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nkeyed, one of the most intelligent /his/ posters"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>123\nIn a committed long term relationship?"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\nGod is the most important thing in the entire universe. He loves us more than we could possibly love anyone."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nI love God :)"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nMe too friend. My entire life has turned around and I no longer want to die."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nSo you only had shitty one night stands, gotcha."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nStop acting like an animal."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nHow is having loving sex in a monogamous long term relationship \"acting like an animal\"?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\n>in a monogamous long term relationship\nSee, that is a beautiful thing. You should have mentioned that first and foremost, instead of focusing on carnal pleasures like sex itself."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nI was repeating that over and over again, anon. Not my fault that you can't read."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nSorry anon I don't think it was me you were conversing with, I just got here."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>129\nLong term"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>46\nRed herring."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nYou think your grandpa's a red herring"}, {"id": 138, "content": "Just remember that if God's plan was to save humanity He failed because the vast majority of humanity will be in everlasting hell per His rules."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPray the holy Rosary every day. I'm not even joking, this will increase your faith like nothing else on earth."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\nAll who call on the name of the Lord will be saved"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>139\nDon't do this. Not only is it an abomination to worship a woman, it is extremely spiritually dangerous."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\n/his/ catholics do not listen, we should pray for their eternal souls"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nMary brings us closer to Jesus. Praying the Rosary is honor and glory to Jesus."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>140\n*who have had the opportunity to learn of the Lord, and have had grace to receive and maintain faith in the Lord, and who have done good works, and who doesn't die in a state of sin, and...."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nI would rather just pray directly to God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\nPlease do so. I ask every Christian on earth and in heaven to pray for me. I want all the help I can get."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What are some surefire strategies to increasing my faith? I want to never doubt, ever again.\nA lobotomy maybe. Any kind of drug that would lower IQ, and eliminate critical thinking."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\nSomebody truly seeking God would not look for excuses to insist God's word is a contradictive mess. No one, searching for God, would accept it. You will have to answer to ignoring your God given reasoning in favor of a clearly contradictive man made text."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>145\nThe Our Father and Glory Be prayers are contained in the Rosary. It also starts and ends with Jesus on the Cross and the sign of the cross, and the entire thing is a meditation on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Even the Hail Mary prayer points to Jesus as to why she is blessed."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>144\nNope. The sinner is justified by faith alone.\n>>147\nCritical thinking forces you to reject atheism and embrace Christianity because atheism is irrational and Christianity is the truth."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>148\n>Somebody truly seeking God would not look for excuses to insist God's word is a contradictive mess.\nI have no idea what you meant by this. The Scriptures are not contradictory."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>149\n>Even the Hail Mary prayer points to Jesus as to why she is blessed.\nNo thanks, I would rather just solely focus on Jesus, who is our savior."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\nOkay, a vast majority of humanity won't be saved. If God came to save all of humanity, He failed."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\nOf course they are. Jesus says Torah law is forever and you must obey every jot and tiddle. Paul says nope -- You don't even have to have a your foreskin circumcized anymore. Jesus even contradicts himself on the matter by doing away with things like eye for an eye. It's a mess. To mesh this, you have complex and drawn out rationalization that are blatant cope. But again, you are the one that will have to answer to God over this."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\nHe only intended to save a few."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\nDo you need someone to help you interpret that?"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nThen God is not all good."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>150\nBelief and religion is purely about the emotional brain. this is interconnected with some rather primitive emotions responsible for social behavior and fears. faith is rather the absence of \"healthy\" nihilism / edgelordism /indifference and the inability to \"gray\" morality and turn off all emotions"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>157\n>Then God is not all good.\nHe saves only the people who want to be saved, truly. It's your choice to go to Hell."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nNo, because faith is only given by grace. It's not a choice. Neither is having the opportunity to learn about the Lord. Please try thinking a little harder before replying to me again."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>158\n>bla bla bla\nThe soul is not the brain.\n>>157\nBy what standard?"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\n> It's so much fun to shitpost and bully little anons with jewish tales!\nWhy you not in /b/ or /x/?"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\nIt's not Jewish, it's divine."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>161\nBy the very standards your God sets for goodness. In any case, if you will argue that goodness is dependent on God, there is no reason for you to believe that over Goodness being a universal independent of God."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBro, that's not faith. You're asking for certainty within a concept that by definition must exist within the uncertain.\nNot a Christian but >>4 has it right about the Holy Spirit. NO ONE should be responsible for converting you or deepening your faith. The most a person can do is point you in a direction and make a recommendation. By truly opening your mind to acceptance in lieu of empirical evidence, you forfeit the desire for control. In that moment, you go from seeking to trusting. You trust the Holy Spirit, and you trust yourself to step forward with your eyes closed."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>159\n>choice\nGod's omniscience precludes free will. If you go to hell for your sins or for rejecting Christ as your savior, God will have known your decisions and your fate from the moment He conceived the universe.\nGod is like an author who writes a book and gets angry at the characters for doing the things he wrote them to do.\nThat is not benevolence. It's sociopathy."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>160\nEveryone is able to choose to have faith and attain grace if they want, you’re just making excuses"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>166\n>God is like an author who writes a book and gets angry at the characters for doing the things he wrote them to do.\n>That is not benevolence. It's sociopathy.\nGod is more like a poet who writes a bunch of poems and burns the bad ones. That’s not sociopathy, it’s called art."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nOnly insecure faggots burn their old works. It's a moot point regardless because God is supposed to be perfect. No misjudgments, no bad decisions, no mistakes of any kind. The only way for God to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, and benevolent would be in a multiversal model of the universe where all of our choices branch infinitely and where God can but chooses not to look at how the story ends. Even then, the concept of hell is just incongruous. Lucifer rebels against God, so God turns Lucifer into the warden of a jail where people serve infinite sentences for finite crimes. At what point do you fuck up so bad that you deserve to suffer for eternity? American jails have nothing on hell and God's logic."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>167\n>Everyone is able to choose to have faith and attain grace if they want\nNot everyone, only people who know about Christianity and are predisposed to accept it. So if God's plan is to save all of humanity, He has objectively failed and a majority of humanity is going to hell. Even if one single person goes to hell, God has failed. Or that isn't His plan, in that case He is not all good.\n>you’re just making excuses\nI am not making excuses, I am just stating clearly what your belief entails. If anyone is making excuses, it is you."}, {"id": 171, "content": "Cut off oxygen from your brain until you have permanent brain damage. You won't have to worry about thinking too much."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>152\n\"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;\"\n- 1 Timothy 2:5"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>169\n>At what point do you fuck up so bad that you deserve to suffer for eternity?\nAt no point, other than rejecting God’s final offer of forgiveness in Christ"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>170\n>Not everyone, only people who know about Christianity and are predisposed to accept it\nTraditional exegesis has plenty of sympathy for the primitive man.\n>Even if one single person goes to hell, God has failed. Or that isn't His plan, in that case He is not all good.\nGod can’t force a free human’s choice."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>169\n>Only insecure faggots burn their old works. It's a moot point regardless...\nThat's not what the Bible tells us on this subject.\n\n\"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?\nHath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?\nWhat if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:\nAnd that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,\nEven us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?\"\n- Romans 9:20-24\n\n>The only way for God to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, and benevolent would be...\nAnd I'm supposed to believe you why exactly? Just because God has the potential to do anything does not imply that God literally does all of those things that He has a potential to do, God always acts according to His other attributes, such as being all-good, omnibenevolent, etc. If God actually did something (rather than just having the potential to do something), one can be assured that it matches up to the divine and perfect character of God.\n\n>the concept of hell is just incongruous. Lucifer rebels against God, so God turns Lucifer into the warden of a jail\nNope, that's not what the Bible says. The Devil is just another occupant of the lake of fire and is in torment with all of the rest of the inhabitants of that place.\n\n\"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.\"\n- Revelation 20:10\n\nThe idea that Lucifer is a warden of hell is a lie in itself, since the Bible never, not even remotely, says this.\n\n>At what point do you fuck up so bad that you deserve to suffer for eternity?\nRomans 9, anon."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\n>Traditional exegesis has plenty of sympathy for the primitive man.\nSympathy but not solution that doesn't compromise your belief system.\n>God can’t force a free human’s choice.\nIt isn't a free choice. Not in 'traditional exegesis' or in any sense of the words free and choice."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>176\n>Sympathy but not solution that doesn't compromise your belief system\nWrong\n>It isn't a free choice. Not in 'traditional exegesis' or in any sense of the words free and choice.\nWrong"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\nThe idea that you have a 'free choice' to accept or reject Christ, while ignoring all the many circumstances in human existence that arise where such a choice can never occur, also implies that God does not work towards the salvation of the individual, which has never been a position in any church. Ever."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>178\nEveryone is judged according to their situation and what they do in it"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>179\nOkay, then faith in Jesus is unnecessary to salvation. And not all of humanity will be saved."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\n>Okay, then faith in Jesus is unnecessary to salvation\nSite, keep thinking that knowing that you know better\n>And not all of humanity will be saved.\nHopefully not, we don’t know"}, {"id": 182, "content": "*Sure"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>175\n>That's not what the Bible tells us on this subject.\nOnly people aren't inanimate objects; intentionally creating certain people to be ugly in shape or heart is mad scientist-tier, and an omnipotent being should have no need to display his power. That is megalomania at its apex. Leaders who need constant reassurance of both their own power and their followers' subservience are terrible leaders.\nThe most benevolent thing God could have ever done is to not reveal himself. Man is flawed, so the word of God as communicated from the mouths of men is inherently flawed as well and because it is imperfect, can by definition no longer be considered the word of God. And this is not even taking into account the number of times the Bible has been translated. All information is subject to entropy.\n>And I'm supposed to believe you why exactly?\nBecause that is the only way I can think of to reconcile two dissonant concepts. This isn't a matter of belief. It's just reasoning things through. And you miss my point.\nGod is all-seeing. All of time is but a tapestry to him. This completely invalidates free will. He knows who will sin, who will repent, who will accept him, who won't, and he knows this at all points in time from the day your family line was established to the day that he casts you into hell for doing the things he knew you would do.\nPredestination? Fine so long as people don't know what's set in stone.\nAllowing people to make mistakes? Fine as long as you are not the one who literally created them and wrote their fates.\nTell me how free will can exist alongside omniscience.\nTell me how it isn't stark insanity to punish people for sins that you knew they would commit.\n>The Devil is just another occupant of the lake of fire\nSo he's more akin to a prisoner with enough street smarts and connections to control things from prison. After all, does the devil not tempt us? How's he do that all the way from the lake of fire? I guess he's allowed to by the grace of God."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\n>Leaders who need constant reassurance of both their own power and their followers' subservience are terrible leaders.\nIt's to show us His power. As it says in the Bible in 2 Tim. 2:13, \"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.\"\n\n>Man is flawed, so the word of God as communicated from the mouths of men is inherently flawed as well and because it is imperfect\nGod's word is perfect when it is taken with the Holy Spirit being present. The authority and power rests with God even if He chooses in His infinite wisdom, for reasons we cannot fathom, to use imperfect vessels as the medium of communication.\n>And this is not even taking into account the number of times the Bible has been translated.\nNot really an issue. Even if everyone spoke one language, we would still have an irreconcilable problem on our hands trying to figure out the word by ourselves without God's help. Without God, it's impossible. With God, and I mean the Creator God, even the most unlikely thing is possible.\n\n>All of time is but a tapestry to him. This completely invalidates free will.\nNo, I still think based on what the Bible says, that I am accountable for my sins. Fortunately, there is a way for me to be justified. I'm recognizing that doing God's will is actually what is also in my own best interest. This although it won't fully bear fruit until the world to come.\n>He knows who will sin, who will repent, who will accept him, who won't,\nYeah, but that doesn't change the fact that those people chose to do what was in their power to do, whether good, or to do evil. Conceptually, it makes perfect sense for God to be angry at me for things that He knows I will do, because regardless, those are things that I end up doing if placed in that situation but without His help and grace to lead me out of that situation. It makes perfect sense for a Just God to still be angry at the sins of others regardless of where on the timeline they are."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>183\n>>184\n>Tell me how free will can exist alongside omniscience.\nBecause you're not forcing people to do things, at least some of the things they do are their own decisions, and they are still accountable for those particular things if they were given the authentic freedom to do them.\n>Tell me how it isn't stark insanity to punish people for sins that you knew they would commit.\nProbably because they would sin and reject God no matter what, would be my guess. They certainly have plenty of reasons to accept God's grace, so I don't know why they don't.\n>How's he do that all the way from the lake of fire?\nBecause he hasn't been thrown in there yet. Revelation 20:10 is a long way off, like it's at the end of the thousand-year reign of Christ after Jesus Christ comes back in glory.\n\nFor right now, it says this about Satan.\n\n\"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:\"\n- 1 Peter 5:8\n\n\"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.\"\n- Ephesians 6:11\n\n\"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.\n8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:\n9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,\n10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.\n11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:\n12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.\"\n- 2 Thess. 2:7-12"}, {"id": 186, "content": "Tryharding means you don't even know him desu. Hehehehehe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I think there is a conspiracy by corporate statist mercantilists to obscure and muddle the definition of liberalism and capitalism as to make it unappealing.\n\nWhen life in a public corporatist structure starts to be miserable, because of the lack of a free market, liberal capitalism will inevitably be blamed because the system presents itself as such. So when people start to be frustrated with the system and look for an alternative, they will inadvertently advocate for a new statist system because it is opposition to capitalism.\n\nThis is where you get the ideas like fascism is capitalism in decay or fascism is somehow right-wing."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">no true capitalism\n\nLe mao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBasically... I don't think that a tightly regulated economy dominated by government backed public monopolies is a free capitalist market.\nI just don't."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe problem is your le true Capitalism cant exist. Capitalism funnels money and power to winners and away from losers. What then is to stop the winners from using their power to alter the system for their benefit? The idea that you can have massive inequality of power at the same time as total equality of rights and laws is a child's fantasy. Also, if this system could truly exist, as a Communist, I would support it to my death. As soon as protections for workers and poor are taken away the system will completely collapse as everyone sees its horrific in humanity is too much to bear."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWhen did free market Capitalism exist?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Capitalism funnels money and power to winners and away from losers. What then is to stop the winners from using their power to alter the system for their benefit?\nWhat I'm concerned woth is that when the winners change the system to make it less free for their competitors, it ceases to be a capitlaist system and shouldn't be called that any more.\nAnd it's pretty hard to get to that kind of a winning position in a free market, they will almost always need outside help, which is usally the government, who have weapons to back themselves up.\nMegacorporations couldn't exist in a free market because their collossal size because they are inefficient to run, which also makes them unable to respond to market trends."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>What I'm concerned woth is that when the winners change the system to make it less free for their competitors, it ceases to be a capitlaist system and shouldn't be called that any more.\n*Free market Capitalism\nIt's still Capitalism. Capitalism is just when individuals own the means of production as opposed to states. Even in a system of regulated markets the Capital is still nominally in their control.\n\n>And it's pretty hard to get to that kind of a winning position in a free market, they will almost always need outside help, which is usally the government\nWell for one, there never really been a time that the government has not had some hand in regulating the economy so you can just claim that your imaginary version of Capitalism fixes all issues with it while saying Capitalism is good because of current existing Capitalism's achievements. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.\n\n>Megacorporations couldn't exist in a free market because their collossal size because they are inefficient to run, which also makes them unable to respond to market trends.\nThey also have economies of scale. One thing the government does is break up trusts which wouldn't happen in your system. You don't need a single monopoly, you could just have a group of winners come together and decide to rig the competition for their benefit. Because they're not truly competing they can beat anyone else who really is. Any other thing Capitalist winners do is to simply buy up and acquire their competition. Historically, cartels started appearing at the time of the most liberal market policies."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>>5\n>projecting like this\n>if i warp the definition of every idea with my own, nothing ever existed at the same time everything existed"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nLiterally what you are doing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>states and individuals are 2 separated things\n>states for some magical reasons are not led by individuals"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>The problem is your le true Capitalism cant exist\nSure it can, we must only get rid of stupid peasants like you fully supporting all gaberment excesses because they \"think\" that it's \"inevitable\" (or that they - wait for it - personally benefit from them kek)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nSo you just copy and paste shit because you can't meme?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWho own the DMV? The president? Makes no sense.\n\n>>11\nAgain, if free market Capitalism existed at one point then it died for some reason. Why would it die again? Likely, it was killed by the people who won the initially free game and used their power to rig it. What would prevent this from happening?\n\n>>12\nWhat are you talking about?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Who own the DMV?\nAn organization led and influenced by individuals which is the state, by your own definition a corporation is not even a capitalist entity, since it's an organization owning the means of production and not \"individuals\"."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nCapitalism is both the private ownership of the means of production AND a free market. If it's just one without the other it's no longer capitalism.\nThe thing about large corporations is that they aren't and can't be owned by individuals. The CEO can't make decisions absolutely. He has to answer to a board of directors and investors."}, {"id": 16, "content": "In addition:\n>Likely, it was killed by the people who won the initially free game and used their power to rig it\nis likely a slippery slope"}, {"id": 17, "content": "[spoiler]retard[/spoiler]"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\n>Because they're not truly competing they can beat anyone else who really is.\nI don't see how this could be the case. If a group of businesses have decided to come together and agreed not to compete, that would leave the market stagnant, at which point businesses outside that circle could swoop in to offer better deals.\n>other thing Capitalist winners do is to simply buy up and acquire their competition.\nThat has to be voluntary. And if a business isn't forced by outside factors to consider becoming acquired, they'd have no reason to give up when they're successfully competing against a stagnant competitor, or when they've found their niche, unless they're managed poorly.\n>Historically, cartels started appearing at the time of the most liberal market policies.\nI don't know enough about this. Where could I read more?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>An organization led and influenced by individuals which is the state\nIt's influenced by them but their positions are tied to public office which is decided by all citizens. Again, they influence it but do not have ownership over it. They couldn't buy or sell the DMV and pocket the money for themselves. It's a public asset that is owned by the state which is not just a group of individuals but rather a (poor) representation of the will of all people.\n\n>by your own definition a corporation is not even a capitalist entity, since it's an organization owning the means of production and not \"individuals\".\nThe shareholders each own a certain percent of the company and they can do what they want with it. This is distinct from state in which nobody can be said to truly \"own\" it at the exclusion of another.\n\n>>18\n>If a group of businesses have decided to come together and agreed not to compete, that would leave the market stagnant, at which point businesses outside that circle could swoop in to offer better deals.\nIt depends on their level of power. What if they have influence over your supplies? Or over the retail sector? What if they blacklist anyone who completes against them\n\n>That has to be voluntary. And if a business isn't forced by outside factors to consider becoming acquired, they'd have no reason to give up when they're successfully competing against a stagnant competitor, or when they've found their niche, unless they're managed poorly.\nMy father was an entrepreneur and had a friend where this happened to him. A big corporation came to him and said, \"we will either steal your idea and underprice it so that you cannot sell yours and drive you out of the market before raising our prices back up or you can sell us your company and become incredibly wealthy for the rest of your life. Pretty easy to see what decision he chose.\n\n>I don't know enough about this. Where could I read more?\nRead The development of cartel theory between 1883 and the 1930s"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything is capitalism, all of these isms are capitalism. Capitalism is eternal.\nCapitalism existed before people knew what capitalism was."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Free-market capitalism is a novel concept invented by the Austrian school of economics. It never existed in its purest form, since all economies started off as dominated by state-sponsored monopolies (e.g., guilds) and then evolved to be state-regulated instead. The \"golden age of free market capitalism\" never existed."}, {"id": 22, "content": "By the way, corporations are not private entities. They absolutely are governments creations, and always have been. All corporations started off as state monopolists, and only later evolved into being competitive with one another."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>>Historically, cartels started appearing at the time of the most liberal market policies.\n>I don't know enough about this. Where could I read more?\nHe's lying. Cartels are impossible to maintain without state intervention. He's just another state shill who supports the status quo."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>which is decided by all citizens\nOr is it? The public system revolves around representation, by individuals claiming to work for the people.\n\nA customer service would be better, since customers (the people) can switch planner more easily and make their opinions matter instead of relying on me forcefully because i'm the only fag with an army around.\n>shareholders\nthey are limited in what they can do, they do not decide directly what a company must do but indirectly"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Or is it? The public system revolves around representation, by individuals claiming to work for the people.\nRight, by democracy.\n\n>A customer service would be better, since customers (the people) can switch planner more easily and make their opinions matter instead of relying on me forcefully because i'm the only fag with an army around.\nIn both systems it relies on the majority of people offering support to the system otherwise they lose. The only advantage yours would have is that people with more money have more influence. It would simply be better if we had direct democracy or if senators were chosen like jury duty.\n\n>they are limited in what they can do, they do not decide directly what a company must do but indirectly\nHow so? They literally own it. They can do whatever they want."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Right, by democracy\nNo, by rapresentative democracy.\n\n>In both systems it relies on the majority of people offering support to the system otherwise they lose\nnot exactly like that, in a free market you die out if nobody supports you, not exactly like a single system fed through taxes like a state that can't die. in a unified system people are incentivized to suck resources from the system through their earned privileges, and not offer a good performance or product like an entrepreneur in a market\n\n>They literally own it. They can do whatever they want.\nThey can't do that, i hope you understand what \"limited responsibility\" means."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>not exactly like a single system fed through taxes like a state that can't die.\nBut if they lose support they will be voted out of office. You can't tax people if you're not in office.\n\n>in a unified system people are incentivized to suck resources from the system through their earned privileges, and not offer a good performance or product like an entrepreneur in a market\nThat sounds like the plight of an worker in a company. No incentive to work hard and innovate but just to siphon of resources for themselves.\n\n>They can't do that, i hope you understand what \"limited responsibility\" means.\nLimited liability. Which means that if a company is sued they can only take from the company's assets and not the shareholders. Again, they can do what they want. Who is stopping them in your system? Not the government surely?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\n>\"we will either steal your idea and underprice it so that you cannot sell yours and drive you out of the market before raising our prices back up or you can sell us your company and become incredibly wealthy for the rest of your life.\"\nI don't see anything wrong with that. I don't know the full story but it sounds like everyone benefited from that."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>But if they lose support they will be voted out of office. You can't tax people if you're not in office.\nPeople\nYou give people money in exchange of promises, not exactly the same thing as getting paid to produce something, the incentive is not the same and whoever you put into the office will suck resources from a system that can't die.\n\n>No incentive to work hard and innovate but just to siphon of resources for themselves\nthey can fire you, because you become a threat to the survival of the system above you\n\n>limited liability\nSame thing in my language, they only get to risk their capital and not directly rule a company, they can move their money somewhere else."}, {"id": 30, "content": "People hate capitalism because they're lazy and don't want to work. A lot of people on this website are NEETS living with their parents."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nThey hate capitalism because they see the flaws in mixed economies (i.e., all of them) and believe what politicians say about it (we'll fix it if you give us more power!)."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nNot really.\nThese people are just lazy, and don't want to have adult responsibilities. They just want to live with their parents forever. \"Capitalism\" is just a scapegoat for their man-child behavior."}, {"id": 33, "content": "I'm not convinced that anyone could achieve controlling dominance over a market naturally.\nIf a business were to ever achieve dominance through their own merit, they would never need to use the state or other predatory measures to cut down their competition, they could just out-compete them. If they have to use outside force to stop competition, that implies they aren't that great at what they're doing.\nAnd even if they achieved dominance, and beat their competition, that would mean there'd be no competition left for them. Then they wouldn't need to innovate and they'd grow complacent, which is bad for business. And if there weren't forces outside the market to prop them up, they'd eventually go out of business."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\n>whoever you put into the office will suck resources from a system that can't die.\nThe system can be changed at any time\n\n>they can fire you, because you become a threat to the survival of the system above you\nJust like in any top down system. But when you don't have a stake in what you're working for you are often encourage to suck as much resources as you're allowed.\n\n>Same thing in my language, they only get to risk their capital and not directly rule a company, they can move their money somewhere else.\nThey risk only the money they put in but have complete freedom to do anything they want with it. In the legal system a company is like a car. You can do anything you want to it but, the exception, if you drive the car into a bunch of people all they can do is take your car away.\n\n>>30\n>People hate capitalism because they're lazy and don't want to work.\nI hate Capitalism because I hate people that don't work for a living. In Communism it is illegal to not have a job. I think everyone without a job should be either given one or put in jail if they refuse.\n\n>>32\nCapitalism is what enables that sort of behavior. Their parent make money that allows them to just be lazy and contribute nothing to society. I grew up poor but my dad started a business and made friends with wealthy Capitalists. All their kids did was go on expensive vacations every week and paid tutors to pass them through school that they barely attended. Their parents donated money to colleges that they didn't have to work to attend and they never tried very hard because they knew they'd just inherit all their parent money or get a nepo job at the top of their company. Meanwhile, I teach high school in a title 1 school and most of my students have had a job since they were 9, their parents have two jobs, and they will all work until they die."}, {"id": 35, "content": "I farted"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>Capitalism is what enables that sort of behavior. What enables this behavior is bad parenting. Your parents rather throw you in front a tv instead of limiting your social media use. Since you are very impressionable, and easy to manipulate, its easy for social media influencers to brain wash you. Which is why so many of you just troon out or become schizos like /pol/tards."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>In Communism it is illegal to not have a job\nIf you like communism so much.... why don't you just go to prison?\nIts illegal to not have a job there, and you will never be hungry or homeless."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>All their kids did was go on expensive vacations every week\nSo your hatred of capitalism is simply jealousy. You're jealous of people who have more than you in life and better off than you. That's not really a great critique of an economic system. You're just weak in the flesh and crave material wealth."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\nBuddy, you've clearly never lived under communism. I suggest taking that sickle out of your ass and using it to cut down that grass is greener attitude."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\n>I think everyone without a job should be either given one or put in jail if they refuse.\nThis is pretty stupid because jobs are not infinite, and its not possible to give everyone a job. Even the Soviet Union had unemployment because there weren't enough jobs for people, and forcing people to work harmed productivity because people would show up to be paid, but not work on the job."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are Westoids trapped in a glass terrarium where the only ideologies that exist are liberalism, communism, fascism, or some niche assemblage thereof?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nThat anon won't do it because his material well-being is secondary to his desire to inflict pain on others. Going to prison will give him the life he desires, but the people he hates will still be out there, happy as can be. That cannot be allowed. Communism is the ideology of sin, the infliction of morbid pain and suffering upon humanity. Mao Zedong understood and embraced this, making him the only honest communist."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nHe won't do it because he's larping.\nCommunism is not a serious ideology, and only attracts mentally ill, dsygenic freaks."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\n>Its illegal to not have a job there, and you will never be hungry or homeless.\nI have a job. I have issues with people who don't have jobs. I think Capitalists who do no labor should be put in prison and given jobs.\n\n>>38\n>So your hatred of capitalism is simply jealousy.\nAre you jealous of man children who don't work and live off their parents? No, you're disgusted by their indolence.\n\n>You're jealous of people who have more than you in life and better off than you.\nI couldn't care less about vacations. I care that we live in a system that allows people to do no work and reap all the benefits. No one should live without contributing to society.\n\n>You're just weak in the flesh and crave material wealth.\nYou just want to support these people who are lazy, and don't want to have adult responsibilities. They just want to live on their parents' money forever. \"Communism\" is just a scapegoat for your man-child behavior."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nWhy do people who live with their parents, like you, have all this time to larp on the internet and not work? Do you need to be sent to a mental ward?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\n>That anon won't do it because his material well-being is secondary to his desire to inflict pain on others.\nI want to exist in a society in which everyone works for the common good and the fruits of our collective labor go towards the common good. In a prison in a Capitalist country you are contracted out to work for corporations whose owners do not have to work and profit off your labor while contributing nothing. This is just Capitalism. How do you think for a second this is a logical point?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>34\n>The system can be changed at any time\nYes, you change it by destroying it and allowing people to trade freely instead of feeding it regardless of the outcome.\n\n>But when you don't have a stake in what you're working for you are often encourage to suck as much resources as you're allowed.\nPeople always drain resources if they can do that, regardless of stake or not, it would be strange otherwise and a misunderstanding of how evolution works.\n\n>They risk only the money they put in but have complete freedom to do anything they want with it.\nSo? That's their task, to ensure the system is performing good economically or move somewhere else."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>I have a job.\nThat's not true. You clearly don't.\n>I think Capitalists who do no labor should be put in prison and given jobs.\nYou can't really be a capitalist without doing labor so I don't see why you're inventing a crime that doesn't even exist.\n>you're disgusted by their indolence.\nYeah, people are disgusted with you. I'm not sure how this is related to our conversation?\n>I couldn't care less about vacations.\nBut obviously you do care. You went on some autistic tangent about people living luxurious lives while you can't. You are admitting you are jealous of peoples' good fortune and wealth. That's not a serious critique of capitalism; its just a demonstration of your pettiness. It makes you look really bad. You're not convincing anyone here to accept your beliefs when its easy to see your just spite driven, and want to take out your violent, mentally ill revenge driven fantasies unto people.\n>You just want to support these people who are lazy,\nIf I wanted to support laziness, I'd support communism like you do. The most worthless, laziness people in society are communists and left-wing. You can't really flip the script on me when there's so much statistical data backing up the fact leftists, communists in general suffer more from mental illnesses and unemployment. Its an argument against reality."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>Are you jealous of man children who don't work and live off their parents? No, you're disgusted by their indolence.\nAre these spoiled children in the room with us now?"}, {"id": 50, "content": "Anon believes all parents should kick their kids out at 18 and force them to pick up their own bootstraps or eat dirt. I'm sorry you had shitty parents, but that doesn't mean you should punish others for your misfortunes."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>I want to exist in a society in which everyone works for the common good\nThere is no such thing as the \"common good.\" No one in life works towards a common interest. The basis of life is puerperal conflict in a quest for survival. What are you saying is utopian and childish.\n>In a prison in a Capitalist country\nIn a capitalist country, you go to prison you commit crimes against society. What happens to you there isn't something we ought to care about. It doesn't matter how ill you are treated there because the goal of prison is to simply protect society's well-being, by removing yours.\nIt doesn't matter so I don't see why you're bringing it up."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\n>You can't really be a capitalist without doing labor\nNobody \"is\" capitalist, stop thinking with retarded labels"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\n>I want to exist in a society in which everyone works for the common good and the fruits of our collective labor go towards the common good\nJoin an amish community, but for big industrial societies it's near to impossible doing this due to increased complexity, division of labor and information flow."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\n>Yes, you change it by destroying it and allowing people to trade freely instead of feeding it regardless of the outcome.\nIf the majority of people agree then you can just vote to do that.\n\n>People always drain resources if they can do that, regardless of stake or not, it would be strange otherwise and a misunderstanding of how evolution works.\nNo really. Would an entrepreneur have an interest in draining resources out of his own company? No, that would hurt him because he has a vested interest in the success of his company. If his company makes more then he makes more. However, for employees if their company makes more it doesn't mean they will recieve higher wages. This is because employees are assets of a company and not owners. In an economic system where all workers own the \"company\" they work for they will be more motivated to work hard just like entrepreneurs are.\n\n>So? That's their task, to ensure the system is performing good economically or move somewhere else.\nI'm saying they have complete control over their company. If they say all employees need to wear clown suits to work nobody can disagree."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nI think your parents should have kicked out up because you are spoiled an entitled. You're coming here demanding society waste their time with your communistic delusions. When we could just throw retards like you onto the streets and force you to be homeless. Nobody here cares about you, or how you feel. You're just annoying and retarded. We're not going to listen to you, or support your communistic non-sense. We'll just ignore you, and if you become a problem, you can just be removed from society temporarily or permanently if you become a real problem to it."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nAs soon as you stop thinking women can have penises, and that children can consent to drag, sure."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>48\n>That's not true. You clearly don't.\nHow do I survive if I don't have a job? In Communism this would be illegal but you support Capitalism where this can happen.\n\n>You can't really be a capitalist without doing labor so I don't see why you're inventing a crime that doesn't even exist.\nPassive income is passive for a reason. It means you don't need to do anything after an initial investment. There are many families who have not worked in generations because their great great grandfather started a business and they've been living off it since. No one individual's contribution to society is that great.\n\n>Yeah, people are disgusted with you. I'm not sure how this is related to our conversation?\nWould you be disgusted with me if my father was a wealthy business man and I lived off him and will just inherit his company when he dies?\n\n>You went on some autistic tangent about people living luxurious lives while you can't.\nNever said I couldn't. I said they could while doing nothing to contribute to society.\n\n>You are admitting you are jealous of peoples' good fortune and wealth.\nI hope people who work hard are much more wealthy and have much greater fortune than I. I dislike it when people live off their parent's welfare.\n\n>If I wanted to support laziness, I'd support communism like you do.\nPlease, explain how you think a Communist economic system structurally supports laziness? If makes literally zero sense.\n\n>The most worthless, laziness people in society are communists and left-wing.\nGuilt by association. Classic logical fallacy."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>49\nIdk ask this guy. He brought it up."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nOk just wait for the majority of people to agree on anything with long sessions and slow reaction times, wait for them to clash with a minority who thinks differently, be surprised when the chosen solution is perfoming like shit because people voted according to how sound the solution was and not how good it was.\nHere's your democracy.\n\n>However, for employees if their company makes more it doesn't mean they will recieve higher wages.\nthe source is my ass since people are capable to change their jobs\n> In an economic system where all workers own the \"company\" they work for they will be more motivated to work hard just like entrepreneurs are\nAnd that's why cooperatives perform better than owned companies... oh wait they actually don't, and can't drive down prices as good as the traditional way of doing business, who could have guessed?\n\n>I'm saying they have complete control over their company\nexcept they don't, lol"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>There are many families who have not worked in generations because their great great grandfather started a business and they've been living off it since\nSomehow you know all the secrets of our economic system but you can't exploit shit yourself, have you tried to start a business? take over an existing one? doing anything that is not crying on the internet?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>51\n>There is no such thing as the \"common good.\"\nCommon good is just the sum of people's individual good.\n\n>No one in life works towards a common interest.\nA family worked towards its own collective interest. A church works for its collective interest.\n\n>The basis of life is puerperal conflict in a quest for survival.\nSure, but you can choose who or what you're in conflict with. We live and work as a society with laws because they serve our common interests. Human beings developed because we were social creatures that existed in tribes, not as lone hunters who were each fighting against one another.\n\nIn base nature we were in competition with each other for resources but we banded together to fight against nature for our collective survival. This is called Civilization.\nIn Capitalism we were in competition with each other for resources but we could and together to fight against nature for our collective survival. This is called Communism."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\n>Somehow you know all the secrets of our economic system but you can't exploit shit yourself, have you tried to start a business\nIt's hardly a secret. Most businesses fail. Those that don't can steamroll into generational wealth with some luck. Our economy is based on gambling and you're saying \"if you don't like that why don't you play?.\"\n\n>take over an existing one?\n\"How are you homeless? Just buy a house.\"\n\n>doing anything that is not crying on the internet?\nI have a job, try it gambling apologist."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\n>How do I survive if I don't have a job? I\nBecause your parents pay your bills.... like I said before.\n>In Communism this would be illegal\nYou force people to work on the fields, sure, but they all die from malnutrition. Under capitalism, most people are able to find jobs because wages incentivize people to voluntary find work. Which is largely why unemployment is so low; making it a crime under capitalism is unnecessary because the incentivizes of private property, and money, encourage productivity.\n>Passive income is passive\nPassive income is not really passive. Someone has to work for it. Retirement income is passive, but you can't have it unless you put your money into a IRA or worked enough lifetime hours to receive social security.\n>Would you be disgusted with me if my father was a wealthy business man and I lived off him\nNo because it is fine for a father, family in general to take care of their family members. This has always been in the case for every society as a traditional way of protecting their bloodline and next of kin. This is why inheritance and life-time insurance exists.\n>Never said I couldn't. I said they could while doing nothing to contribute to society.\nBut you did. You are saying these people should be thrown in jail and killed.\n>I hope people who work hard are much more wealthy and have much greater fortune than I.\nYou just said you wanted to murder and jail them though.\n>Please, explain how you think a Communist economic system structurally supports laziness?\nYou kill all the people who are wealthy, middle class because they have more wealth than you. You don't have any incentive to grow inter-generational wealth because if you have too much, for societies' tastes, they'll just take it from you. And that's largely what happened in pretty much every communist society.\n>Guilt by association. Classic logical fallacy.\nIts not a logical fallacy when its a factual claim."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>59\n>Ok just wait for the majority of people to agree on anything with long sessions and slow reaction times, wait for them to clash with a minority who thinks differently, be surprised when the chosen solution is perfoming like shit because people voted according to how sound the solution was and not how good it was.\n>Here's your democracy.\nThis is the exact reason why the market also fails. People are slow to react, have poor information, etc. etc.\n\n>the source is my ass since people are capable to change their jobs\nNot a real argument. You are still in the same system. I could easily argue that you should just move to a libertarian country if you don't like it.\n\n>And that's why cooperatives perform better than owned companies\nWhy do you think that is?\n\n>except they don't, lol\nHow do you just keep asserting that with no argument? What can't they do?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCounterpoint: you’re gay and capitalism is inherently unappealing to the masses"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\n>Our economy is based on gambling\nOverblown, there is no practically no risk on the aggregate, far more investments succeed than fail. If its a gamble its one game where you almost always win"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>61\n>Common good is just the sum of people's individual good.\n\"Common good\" is a spook. Its not real. Its just made up bullshit. There is no way to determine it because it is simply your opinion, and that can be ignored.\n>A family worked towards its own collective interest. A\nFamilies don't have a \"collective interest.\" Families have competing interests, which is why often family members fight over wealth, or create families with totally new lives.\n>We live and work as a society with laws because they serve our common interests.\nWhat do you mean we? If we all followed laws, we wouldn't need police or prisons. Laws recommendations; we don't have to follow them and often we don't. We also don't live under the same laws either because we have different, not common interests."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>Common good is just the sum of people's individual good\nMy personal individual good is to rule over you and shut your mouth for the rest of your life so i can finally peace knowing natural evolution goes on as usual.\n\nThe only good there is it's the good of our species where only the essential is kept.\nOur collective interest works thanks to fitness and not good will, from this the need for competition.\n\n>Human beings developed because we were social creatures that existed in tribes\nBecause tribes would never fight each others. Absolutely no.\n\n> we banded together to fight against nature for our collective survival\nOh please you do not fight against nature, it's like fighting against gravity, the only thong you can do is to exploit another natural thing like air to push yourself upward, but even there you don't escape thermodynamics. You're so fucking dense."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>61\nCommunism is anti-thesis of civilization. Its anarchic barbarism. If you abolish class, private property and the state - there is no civilization.\nCapitalism is just the idea private property is the best incentive for human productivity. And seeing how the richest, most well off countries are ones with strong private property rights - there is no reason to support the alternative, communism, which has only failed and created widespread poverty."}, {"id": 70, "content": "How does one sum up individual goodness? What if different individuals have conflicting goals, or don't view the same things as good? This may sound pedantic, but it's an important question, since the \"common good\" is the basis of your decision-making. If you don't have any objective way of measuring it, \"common good\" would in practice be whatever the guy in charge says it is."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>62\n>It's hardly a secret. Most businesses fail\n98% of life on earth went extinct, it's the natural consequences of our darwinian model. What matters is at least you tried.\n>gambling\nit's hard to come up with efficient solution, it's not really gambling.\n>\"How are you homeless? Just buy a house.\"\nApparently finding a job and being good at it is like buying an house for you.\n\n>try it gambling apologist\nyou still have another 150 years to try communism again"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\nHumans have been fighting, and killing each other, since the dawn of time. Even now they do so. But this retard wants to tell us humans who all have different laws, cultures, geographies, races, genetics, traditions et cetera have a \"common good\" and \"collective interest.\"\nJust how stupid can you be and think this when reality shows humanity has never been on common ground? How could be so fucking stupid - unironically. If we had collective interests, we wouldn't need to debate this stuff, dumbass."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nYou don't because goodness and badness are arbitrary definitions."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>63\n>Because your parents pay your bills.... like I said before.\nSo you're not okay with rich kids who are allowed to live off their parents' money? Why do you support a system that allows that? Sounds like you're your own worst enemy.\n\n>You force people to work on the fields, sure, but they all die from malnutrition.\nYou think the USSR lasted for 70 years with a growing population when everyone died of malnutrition?\n\n>Under capitalism, most people are able to find jobs because wages incentivize people to voluntary find work.\nBecause if they don't, they starve to death or live off their parent money. Both of which are impossible in Communism\n\n>Which is largely why unemployment is so low\nUnemployment has to be structurally kept high otherwise it leads to massive economic disasters.\n\n>Passive income is not really passive. Someone has to work for it.\nYeah the workers. Let's say your grandpa built a business and you inherited it. Now your employee does 1 hour of labor with materials that cost 1 dollar. Your store sells the finished good for 4 dollars and pays the employee 1 dollar. How much did your company make? How much labor did you do?\n\n>No because it is fine for a father, family in general to take care of their family members.\nWait so, why did you say you hated me for being a man child who doesn't work and lives off my parents? It sounds like you fully support my lifestyle.\n\n>But you did. You are saying these people should be thrown in jail and killed.\nI think they should get a damn job.\n\n>You just said you wanted to murder and jail them though.\nCapitalists don't work harder than the rest of us lmao. Hours worked per week doesn't equate to wealth in Capitalism.\n\n>You kill all the people who are wealthy, middle class because they have more wealth than you.\nHow do these people exist within Communism to begin with?\n>they'll just take it from you.\nYou're talking about wealth accumulated before Communism. You can keep everything you make inside of Communism."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nEvolution is the fight for survival, survival is mostly about sorving environmental problems, thank fuck you can't know peace, thank fuck people have different races and genetica and culture, because diversification and selection is the way how evolution works."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>70\n>would in practice be whatever the guy in charge says it is.\nThat's how it worked in communist countries - which is why so many people died unnecessary deaths. They don't have an objective definition because what they consider \"good\" is whatever satisfies their narcissistic delusions. A literal degenerate who thinks he can tell us what to do with our lives.\nUnfortunately for him, he will never have the power to do such a thing."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>70\nYou realize this is the basic idea of all societies right? Of all laws? What if some people want to murder? This isn't an argument against Communism but literally Civilization itself."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\na yes, the basic universal idea of common good... also known as interest.\n\nguess what happens if interests are in conflict with other groups"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>74\nYou're so fucking dense holy shit."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose are some pretty solid mental gymnastics to obscure capitalism being capitalism. Next time try to avoid using unnecessary amount of -isms, especially when you dont really know what such words actually mean."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>19\n>decided by all citizens\nas if"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>74\n>So you're not okay with rich kids who are allowed to live off their parents' money?\nNo.\n>Why do you support a system that allows tha\nBecause it does no harm to anyone, and nobody is forced to do it. Its completely voluntary.\n>USSR lasted for 70 years with a growing population\nThe Soviet Union had toilet paper until 1969, had chronic food shortages, and was extremely poor. It lasted for 70 years only because it was tyrannical police state, enforced by the military. Which is why it collapsed when Gorbachev pulled the troops back, and democratized it by allowing free and competitive elections.\n>Because if they don't, they starve to death or live off their parent money.\nThey work because they want money. If they live with their parents its because they're lazy like you. Its almost impossible to not find work unless you aren't trying. Indeed, glass-door always have job offers for people. And so does your department of labor. You can also be self employed.\n>Unemployment has to be structurally kept high\nNope. Structural unemployment is mostly old and physically disabled people. Those people can't work regardless.\n>Yeah the workers.\nBusiness owners, on average, work 2x-3x more hours than wage workers.\n>you hated me for being a man child\nNo, I'm mocking you being jealous of people who are wealthy enough to do so while pretending you don't do so yourself - pointing out your hypocrisy.\n>they should get a damn job.\nStart with yourself.\n>Capitalists don't work harder than the rest of us\nYet, they do. Business owners work more hours than wage workers.\n>How do these people exist within Communism to begin with\nThey literally can't because communism is the abolishment of class. All the middle-income, wealthy income people flee. Why do you think so many rich people escaped Russia, Cuba and Venezuela and formed a middle class in the West?\n>wealth accumulated before Communism.\nYou just to steal peoples' wealth, and then after communism you get to keep their wealth."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>69\n>. If you abolish class, private property and the state - there is no civilization.\nThat would only happen after automation makes labor superfluous. I.E. there's going to be a state for a long while in Communist countries.\n\n>Capitalism is just the idea private property is the best incentive for human productivity.\nI love private property but some people don't own any private property while others are born into tons of it. I love it so much that I think all people should all have equal access to private property.\n\n>And seeing how the richest, most well off countries are ones with strong private property rights\nObviously, you can't have Capitalism without property rights, you can't have Communism without Capitalism.\n\n>there is no reason to support the alternative, communism, which has only failed and created widespread poverty.\nCommunism has lifted millions of people out of poverty in its every incarnation. But you're basically the house negro of Capitalists and have no vested interest in real labor so there no reason to argue."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>62\n>\"How are you homeless? Just buy a house.\"\nHomelessness is a non-issue for 99.9% of people, you do realize this, yes? The majority of homeless people are homeless by choice. They rather do drugs, not work or pay bills. The average homeliness number is like less than 1% for most OECD countries. Crying about homeless is like crying about spilled milk. Its not a big deal unless you think defending parasites is okay."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nHere bud https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analogy"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>64\n>This is the exact reason why the market also fails\nExcept the market is not a centralized system and doesn't work like voting with everyone agreeing in planning the economy, everyone plans for themaelves and know better than any state what they need.\n\n>not an argument\nyou not understanding my point is not a counter argument\n\n>How do you just keep asserting that with no argument?\nYou having an argument doesn't mean my argument is wrong, i'm sorry if you're this self-centered."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>does a shit analogy\n>here bud"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nDo you have any actual social issues to talk about?\nLike hunger?\nLike how no one except schizos that ran away from the psych ward die of hunger?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>83\n>That would only happen after automation makes labor superfluous.\nThis is never going to happen because automation doesn't end employment. Automation only automates tasks. And automation will create more jobs because it logistically time-consuming. People have to manage robots, maintain them, tell them what to do and train them. Automation is only going to hurt people on racial lines as blacks, browns, and generally non-Asian, non-white people are left behind because they don't have the intelligence to do anything but manual labor.\n> I love it so much that I think all people should all have equal access to private property.\nThen give them your property then. What you desire is not my problem or anyone elses.\n>Communism has lifted millions of people out of poverty in its every incarnation\nYou can just compare South Korea to North Korea to see that isn't the case at all"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>85\nStop embarrassing yourself."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\n>This is never going to happen because automation doesn't end employment. A\nThen why even do automation?\nA robot is supposed to save far more manpower than whatever is needed to maintain it"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>83\n>That would only happen after automation makes labor superfluous.\nAnd here we go with the automation cope, good lord if it wasn't for muh common bullshit i would classify you people as a transhumanist cult, pretending the calculation problem needs more processing power.\n\n>Communism has lifted millions of people out of poverty in its every incarnation\n>you can't have Communism without Capitalism\nand it's time to go to bed, thanks for the good laugh"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nBecause people don't understand the implications of technology ahead of time. Like how Bitcoin was suppose to end central banking, and that ended up being false."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>82\n>Because it does no harm to anyone, and nobody is forced to do it. Its completely voluntary.\nSo again, you support the economy system that allows man children and lazy people to exist.\n\n>The Soviet Union had toilet paper until 1969, had chronic food shortages, and was extremely poor.\nThe USSR supported industrial growth over consumer goods leading to some shortages but after WW2 there was no hunger. You're basing your ideas on myths. When the USSR started it had the same GDP as Chile at the time. By its death it rivaled the US. No other country grew their economy that quickly.\n\n>. It lasted for 70 years only because it was tyrannical police state, enforced by the military.\nBut everyone died from hunger so who was in the military?\n\n>Which is why it collapsed when Gorbachev pulled the troops back, and democratized it by allowing free and competitive elections.\nThe citizens of the USSR voted to keep it. The Communist party had to be banned from Russian elections for fear that it would gain power. Gorbachev's betray was unpopular.\n\n>If they live with their parents its because they're lazy like you. Its almost impossible to not find work unless you aren't trying.\nMost of those jobs couldn't pay for the cost of living unless you have access to a college degree.\n\n>Structural unemployment is mostly old and physically disabled people. Those people can't work regardless.\nFunny you bring that up. Unemployment as measured by the US does not count those people.\n\n>Business owners, on average, work 2x-3x more hours than wage workers.\nMost small business owners are also workers, yes. But in their capacity as Capitalists they have no direct relationship between money earned and labor.\n\n>pointing out your hypocrisy.\nI'm pointing out your hypocrisy as arguing for the side the supports lazy man children\n\n>Start with yourself.\nWhy should I? if my dad owned a business I'd have no reason to get a job."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>89\n>Automation only automates tasks. And automation will create more jobs because it logistically time-consuming.\nThere's a certain about of labor that a society needs to get its needs met. Automation does that work instead of workers. Historically we pursue automation because it does work and limited the amount of labor needed. If doesn't take a genius to see where that could lead to.\n\n>You can just compare South Korea to North Korea to see that isn't the case at all\nCase 1. US gives subsidies Case 2. US gives sanctions. Hmmm, wonder which one has the better economy?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>conflating economic efficiency with how large the economy is\nby its death the ussr sold its mines for few dollars, and got eaten completely by an economic class of entrepreneurs who built their fortune through the black market taking advantages of internal inefficiencies caused by the state controlled economy, a slow process that happened for decades.\n\nIn the end the market forces got you, i guess you'll be lucky next time."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>82\n>Yet, they do. Business owners work more hours than wage workers.\nSmall business owners, yes. Most are barely surviving and will fail. Established business with CEOs don't need to do shit.\n\n>Why do you think so many rich people escaped Russia, Cuba and Venezuela and formed a middle class in the West?\nBecause wealth inequality is great if you can be on top! Same reason French nobles ran away to England during the revolution.\n\n>You just to steal peoples' wealth, and then after communism you get to keep their wealth.\nSo in your world the USSR started with a high GDP and make the country more poor over time? Do you think that's accurate?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\n>So again, you support the economy system that allows man children and lazy people to exist.\nNo, because its not the economic system doing it. Its terrible parents, like the ones you have.\n>The USSR supported industrial growth over consumer goods leading to some shortages but after WW2 there was no hunger.\nThis is a lie. The USSR had a famine just after the war, and still had constant food shortages during the Brezhnev stagnation until its economic collapse.\n>everyone died from hunger\nMost people don't die from hunger though. You can be hungry, and still live. Its just not a good way to live. I'm not sure why you think defending the fact hunger is okay as long as people aren't dying.\n>When the USSR started it had the same GDP as Chile at the time.\nFalse. the USSR's economic statistics were completely fabricated. That's why it collapsed in the first place. It was a stagnating shithole falling apart from seems.\n>The citizens of the USSR voted to keep it.\nFalse. The voted to abolish it into confederations, and that vote was not legitimate at all as various countries, especially in the Baltics, boycotted the vote and declared independence. There were no legitimate elections in the USSR either since opposing political parties were outlawed since Lenin's days.\n>Most of those jobs couldn't pay for the cost of living unless you have access to a college degree.\nFalse. A single person can afford rent, food, and housing on 15$ dollars an hour in most places.\n>Funny you bring that up.\nYou're proving you don't understand what structural unemployment means.\n>But in their capacity as Capitalists they have no direct relationship between money earned and labor.\nThis is not a counter argument. Small business owners are the majority of capitalists and they work longer than workers. You're just shifting the goal post.\n>as arguing for the side the supports lazy man children\nBut you are self-admitted leech - you can't really criticize something you do."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n>caused by the state controlled economy\nIt was caused by the gradual market liberalization and ultimately was done because libertarians advocated for the \"shock treatment\" doctrine of selling off assets.\n\n>In the end the market forces got you, i guess you'll be lucky next time.\nCapitalism clawed it's way into the USSR and swept the rug out of the people before they realized what happened. The USSR had a growing GDP and most people supported it's existence even after the fall."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>95\n>Automation does that work instead of workers\nAutomation does not do that work because it just automates tasks that workers still need to do.\n>US gives subsidies\nUS subsidies make up less than 1% of South Korea's economy, and North Korea gets subsidies from China and Russia. So this isn't an argument.\n>US gives sanctions\nNorth Korea was poor even before the sanctions so this can't be it. At one point, it was even richer than South Korea."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\n>Small business owners, yes. Most are barely surviving and will fail. Established business with CEOs don't need to do shit.\nThis is pretty retarded and wrong. Small businesses keep growing, especially in the US, they aren't \"barely surving\" unless the government something stupid like during COVID.\n>Established business with CEOs don't need to do shit.\nMany companies laying off workers, and plenty of corporations have collapsed before. Sears, Atari,\nCircuit City, Blockbuster all had CEOs and they no longer exist. So that can't be correct.\n>Because wealth inequality\nIs not really a problem. Poor people, especially in capitalist countries, are not really poor. They own homes, cars, and food for almost free because of substantial government benefits from taxes paid for by capitalist businesses.\n>So in your world the USSR started with a high GDP\nThe USSR never had a high GDP. They faked all their economic data. It was a poor, shit hole country. You seemingly are uneducated on this subject and misinformed."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\n>gradual market liberalization\n>in the ussr\n>by libertarians\nThey consumed three times the amount of electricity and resources to run their factories unlike westerners, frequent misallication of resources, officers reselling shit in the black market, if anything liberalization during gorbachev was a desperate way to get rid of that shit economy."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\n>It was caused by the gradual market liberalization\nThis is false, the USSR was stagnating economically before market liberalization. It was the command economy.\n>Capitalism clawed it's way into the USSR\nRussia has a higher GDP per capita today than it did in the past, and the USSR did not have a growing GDP... that's why it collapsed in the first place."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>98\n>No, because its not the economic system doing it. Its terrible parents, like the ones you have.\nIn one economic system it's allowed and in another it is not. You support the one where it is allowed unconditionally.\n\n>The USSR had a famine just after the war\nYeah, right after, as a direct of the devastation. Come on man.\n\n>and still had constant food shortages\nShortage isn't correct. They systematically underpriced food to make sure nobody starved but that led to hoarding. Nobody starved but as soon as something was on the shelf it was gone in a second because it was so cheap.\n\n>You can be hungry, and still live.\nStudies of the USSR show that hunger was not an issue after WW2.\n\n>False. the USSR's economic statistics were completely fabricated. That's why it collapsed in the first place. It was a stagnating shithole falling apart from seems.\nI know of no economist or political scientist supports any of what you said here.\n\n>There were no legitimate elections in the USSR either since opposing political parties were outlawed since Lenin's days.\nNon, Communist parties were not allowed just like non-Capitalist parties are not allowed in Capitalist countries but there was plurality within the political landscape of Communism.\n\n>A single person can afford rent, food, and housing on 15$ dollars an hour in most places.\nUnless they get a medical emergency and go into debt.\n\n>You're proving you don't understand what structural unemployment means.\nThe US employment statistics do not count structurally unemployed people.\n\n>Small business owners are the majority of capitalists and they work longer than workers.\nI feel sorry for most small business owners since they are mostly laborers as well. I have an issue with large business owners that do not have to work. But one comes from the other.\n\n>But you are self-admitted leech - you can't really criticize something you do.\nYou can't really criticize me when you support the economic system that supports my behavior."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\n>it just automates tasks that workers still need to do.\nHoly fuck this level of cognitive dissonance"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's just leftists that don't know their asshole from their elbow"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>103\n>This is false, the USSR was stagnating economically before market liberalization. It was the command economy.\nFind a graph that shows that\n>Russia has a higher GDP per capita today than it did in the past,\nAnd it only caught up in line 2010. Congrats\n\n>and the USSR did not have a growing GDP... that's why it collapsed in the first place.\nLmao just completely wrong. It had an increasing GDP until the end."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\ncope"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>101\n>This is pretty retarded and wrong.\nMost businesses that start fail.\n\n>Many companies laying off workers, and plenty of corporations have collapsed before.\nI'm saying their owners don't need to do anything. Small businesses owners can't do that because they can't afford employees to automate their day to day work. However, for big corps they can and do even if they fail.\n\n>Poor people, especially in capitalist countries, are not really poor.\nIf by Capitalist you mean countries that had colonies then yes. But Capitalist countries that used to be colonized are poor.\n\n>The USSR never had a high GDP. They faked all their economic data. It was a poor, shit hole country. You seemingly are uneducated on this subject and misinformed.\nThat fact is completely pulled out of your ass."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>104\n>In one economic system it's allowed and in another it is not.\nIts not the economic system though. Most people live with their parents, like you do, because most parents don't allow their kids to be leeches like yours does. This is a problem due to bad parenting.\n>Yeah, right after, as a direct of the devastation.\nIt happened a year after the war though. So that can't be true.\n>Shortage isn't correct.\nThis is correct. The USSR had constant shortages of food, consumer goods well into the 1960s, and after. That's why its called the Brezhnev stagnation. Its a historical fact, sorry. the USSR simply could not create enough food because their collective, socialist farms were inefficient because it did not incentivize people to produce food. You didn't get paid more for making a surplus, and what you did make was stolen from you by the government.\n>Studies of the USSR show that hunger was not an issue after WW2.\nNo, they do not.\n>I know of no economist or political scientist supports any of what you said here.\nBecause you're just lying? Harrison & Khanin for example show they did. So does Applebaum and many other sovietolgoists. Prove me wrong right now by citing one that agrees with you that fraud was not widespread in Soviet statistics. Name one right now.\n>Non, Communist parties were not allowed just like non-Capitalist parties are not allowed in Capitalist countries\nThis is a lie. Plenty of communist parties held office in West. PCI, from Italy, was literally the biggest western communist party the held office. So did the Communist Party of France. Communists were running for office in the 1930s in the US while USSR was killing off political opponents in mass purges.\n>Unless they get a medical emergency and go into debt.\nThey get healthcare for free though. In the US, people without an income get Obamacare, and in many capitalist countries people don't pay for healthcare if they're poor because the government pays for it"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>77\nNatural law is based around protecting the rights of individuals from infringement on others. That's why murder is bad, because you are taking away another person's right of self-determination.\n\nWhat right does rich kids voluntarily wasting the money their parents voluntarily gave them violate? You arbitrarily don't like it and will use violence to hurt others to satisfy your ego. Despite what you may think, that is not how civilization works."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>104\n>The US employment statistics do not count structurally unemployed people.\nBut they do...\n>I feel sorry for most small business owners since they are mostly laborers as well\nYou really don't though because you hate capitalism, and you would create a system where they could not exist.\n> I have an issue with large business owners that do not have to work\nThe majority of capitalists are small business owners, and you hate capitalism. So this can't be true. You hate small business owners and want to hurt them.\n>You can't really criticize me when you support the economic system that supports my behavior.\nBut its not the economic system. Its your parents and your own behavior. Most people aren't like you so it can't be. Its literally your own fault."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>91\nAutomation improves productivity, and productivity increases wealth. Washing machines decreased the amount of labor spent washing dishes, which allowed people to spend their time doing more productive tasks."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\nWhat right do you have to say that a prince doesn't deserve the kingdom of his father? Funny how your \"natural laws\" only started in the last four hundred years or so."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>107\n>Find a graph that shows that\nSee >>101\nBrenznev was in office until 1964-1982.\nWe see constant decline from 1964-1982.\n>And it only caught up in line 2010.\nAnd what was the USSR economic growth in 2010?\n>Lmao just completely wrong. It had an increasing GDP until the end.\nAgain, this is wrong. The economic data we have shows it was a shit hole on decline since the 1960s."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nA human cannot involuntarily own another human being. Someone inheriting stolen goods (e.g., the citizens of a kingdom) does not turn it legitimate."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>104\n>Capitalist countries outlawed communist countries from holding office\nWhy even lie like this?\nCommunist Party of Austria\nCommunist Party of France\nCommunist Party of Italy\nWorkers' Party of Belgium\nCommunist Party of Canada\nCommunist Party of Britain\nCommunist Party of the US\nNever outlawed in the West, could and did run for office.\nThese aren't even the only examples.\nIn the same time period, the USSR did not allow any political parties to run for office besides the communist party. The idea that it was the same in capitalists is a total lie that anyone can refute. The fact that you have lie so much is just making your position even weaker."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>105\nYou're retarded.\nWashing machines didn't stop people from being employed at laundromats\nVending machines, and super markets, didn't put restaurants out of work.\nJust because you automate something doesn't mean you don't need humans to still do labor, retard."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>Washing machines didn't stop people from being employed at laundromats\nHoly fuck what in the actual fuck!\nI actually spent 4 years doing my laundry at a laundromat. There were exactly ZERO employees.\nYou put your fucking coins in and the machine ran. Just how stupid are you?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\n>Had zero employees\n>According to the BLS, the US had 52,960 Laundromats Employees in the US in 2023\nNice going, retard. You think nobody can check stats?"}, {"id": 121, "content": "Automation *does* get rid of labor. Thanks to machinery we no longer have to shovel shit by hand, and that's a good thing. Contrary to what Marx believed, labor itself does not determine value. Reducing labor demand by increasing productivity (i.e., using automation) increases wealth and makes humanity better off. If it didn't, we would still be shoveling shit using our hands."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>115\nIncome growth and economic growth are not the same thing.\n>>117\nBecause those parties are impotent. When the Italian Communist party had an actual shot the CIA stepped in. In the last century the US made it an explicit policy to invade, coup, and destroy any democratically elected socialist government."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>48\n>You can't really be a capitalist without doing labor\nNo true Scotsman fallacy."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>41\nOther ideologies are derived from those three."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>34\n>Capitalism is what enables that sort of behavior\nBad parenting is not synonymous with capitalism.\nSee Stalin."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can anyone post a link to the new Historia Civilis video on patreon please?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would you watch this literally gay antifatard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy do you eat junk food? Its no good but I still get a kick out of it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>antifa\nsource?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHis Twitter"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe man is totally libtarded it's true, but at this point I'm too invested to stop."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nWhy would antifa support the fascists in Ukraine, as he has? It makes no sense, please take this ridiculous ideas back to /pol/. Historia Civilis is a pretty cut and dry liberal."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nantifascists are fascists, it's in the name"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>7\nStop arguing about his political opinions and post the link."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI also want to watch but don't have the money to pay"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nWhy do right-wingers get so butt hurt over anti-fascists? Are they secretly fascist themselves?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "What is the appeal of those? Why is he so popular?\nHe is literally reading a wikipedia page and nothing more"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nhe has a sweet sexy voice and i can jerk myself off to while thinking about enslaving barbarian women to become a part of my harem sex palace"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe quality of his content actually makes me overlook all the lefty stuff."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nBecause for these subhumans \"fascist\" means being White or straight or Christian or whatever is normal."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nwrong"}, {"id": 17, "content": "I imagine it will be topically Cleopatran"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nI'd have never guessed. At least he leaves it out of his videos. He barely even provides his own commentary other than instances of adding his interpretation to fill in gaps or reconcile sources. It's a shame that his political views are retarded, but at least he's smart enough to stick to history and not make politics part of everything like most lefties.\n>>12\nHe interpolates various sources to provide explanations, and he does so without tons of jargon or needless production like Kings and Generals for example."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes he not post to YT anymore or just release early on Patreon?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n\nEarly on Patreon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What goes on here? I have literally never heard of anything whatsoever happening in Maine, good or ill, minor or significant. Is it just a void?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's a cold low population shithole without much of an economy outside fishing and potato farming"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStephen King horror stories"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthis. the murder in Shawshank too. the judge is from Maine so the killing was probably in Maine."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Shithole\nIt's cold and underpopulated, but it sure as hell ain't a \"shithole\". Maine is a far more civilized and orderly place than Texas or California or New York"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFishing, cold, rainy weather (pleasant in summer though), and nice trails to hike. It's not very populated."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCold, rainy, low population, and zero jobs. All in all a shithole, but probably pleasant to retire in if you’re fine with the weather."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTranq, geezers, and haunted beach resorts. Only for eccentric billionaires and the undead."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Portsmouth Naval Yard is now on Maine’s side of the state border, and that’s where Teddy Roosevelt negotiated the end of the Russo-Japanese War. Also, the Royal Navy bombarded a coastal town in 1775, followed by Benedict Arnold passing through to invade Quebec. Other than that, it’s Mainly people from Maine doing things elsewhere, or Maine being a bargaining chip as part of something bigger."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>have literally never heard of anything whatsoever happening in Maine, good or ill, minor or significant\nIt's the whitest state. Of course it's the most peaceful."}, {"id": 11, "content": "One of the last bastions of white ppl in the US"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did allah choose this mordor-like shithole to be his holy city?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe Lord works in mysterious ways."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlow IQ"}, {"id": 4, "content": "What do they eat? Oil? What's the tax policy?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam was created out of the ramblings of a schizo."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do they breathe if there are no trees?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIm surprised its that ugly, normally these cities plant trees and water them within their city and surrounding areas"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>check the temperature\n>it's almost 40C\nJesus"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost beautiful place in Arabia"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt looks like Mars, cool contrast to the other Saudi Arabian planned cities"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCause Islam is blatantly an Arab centric religion lol"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it used to be a holy site in Arabic paganism and we wouldn’t want to disturb people too much. Also read once that Muhammad had a vision that it was actually ok to worship the false gods when he was in trouble but Gabriel magically reappeared to tell him later it was a devil that told him that"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nwhat?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nTrees give oxygen"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that the tower of Barad-dur in the distance?"}, {"id": 16, "content": "The Quran was inspired by demons. Literal evil beings"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nYet i breathe fine and i dont see a single tree around me"}, {"id": 18, "content": "What do they eat? What do they drink?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nTrees cannot fuse atomic nucleus to create the element of oxigen, they just eat up the carbon in the air that is tied to said oxygen to make proteins"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou answered your own question."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo warn the world about the evilness of muslims"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nAnon…"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nHol up they really do be like the orks in lord of the rings\nIt really do be like that"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Judea is a land of milk and honey"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nIt is, its part of the fertile crescent.\nMecca and Medina were located on a trade route that sustained them."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\namerican education?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nThey steal air from Christian and Jewish nations."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMecca didn't exist until much later. The narrative of Muhammed is a 9th century fabrication. Muhammad didn't actually exist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Ronald Reagan tried to overthrow democratically elected socialist in Central America!\n>the “democracy” in question"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the bigger concern was that he was funding it through illegal arms sales to Iran while publicly sending aid to Iraq while both those countries were at war."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIf that’s the case then say it, but lefties specifically whine about him fighting the le demoractic commies in Nicuragua"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>the made up people in my head whine about...\nk"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSo you’re just going to pretend people don’t bitch about Reagan supporting the Contras as a move to “subvert democracy”?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nicaragua's 'sham' elections under Ortega"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere were multiple instances where the elections were internationally recognized and verified by third parties as legitimate. The US has never considered the legitimacy of election as a factor in who they support to run a country. It has always been who is in the US' best interest. Not acknowledging this is insane."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nYou're just going to pretend that we tried to overthrow an elected government because we could see the future? Great point, excellent thread. Fucking schizo."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nNicaragua withdrew from the OAS in a butthurt rage after the organization called out their fraud elections. The entirety of the Americas, along with Europe, called out their elections.\n\nhttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/19/under-fire-sham-elections-nicaragua-begins-withdrawal-from-oas"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>The entirety of the Americas, along with Europe, called out their elections.\nYou mean all the countries that are allies/vassals of the United States? Whoa, what a crazy coincidence!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nCan you point to an instance during the Cold War in which the United States used illegal means to subvert the democratic process of a foreign nation in order to install a more favorable government?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nThe commies took over in a violent coup, not through winning an election you retard. Rebel groups formed and America supported them.\n\n>>10\nSchizo tranny shit lol"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Schizo\nLook at the members of the OAS. Cuba (the most anti-USA country in the western hemisphere) was expelled decades ago. And the other members with left-wing/anti-USA governments, such as Bolivia, abstained from the vote to condemn the Nicaraguan elections. The only OAS countries that condemned those elections were the USA and its allies (which are the majority of OAS members)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nIran 1953, this is beyond basic"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">another thread where liberal trannies defend democracy at all costs despite glaring evidence that it doesn't work\nAmerica is a shithole and unless you can point to a single functioning democracy then the spics can't be singled out."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Why do communists cry about coups when the Bolsheviks came to power through a coup? They also overthrew countless governments in Eastern Europe, made attempts in Western Europe - why does the US doing it create so much butthurt?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>commie shithole countries don’t vote to condemn this\n>majority vote to do so\nWow no shit. Do you also oppose Cuba and Venezuela supporting FARC terrorist in Colombia? Aren’t they subverting the countries by blowing up civilians and selling drugs? Or the years of Shining Path in Peru which did the same?\n\nCommunist cry crocodile tears about “Muh democracy” then have every bullshit excuse imaginable."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>he only OAS countries that condemned those elections were the USA and its allies (which are the majority of OAS members).\nThats still a vote, you cant dismiss it as invalid because you dont like these countries."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n1948 Italian general election"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nMossedegh staged a coup and illegally occupied the position of Prime Minister which he ran as a dictatorship. This was against Irans own laws, which is why he was placed under house arrest following his down fall. He did win election fair and square originally, but refused to leave office after his term was completed.\n\nOf course you never learned this from the retarded oikophobic swill you got from Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. Try again."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nI didn't dismiss it as \"invalid,\" I said (correctly) that it was done exclusively by the USA and countries with USA-friendly governments. Based on that fact alone, it is likely that the condemnation of the Nicaraguan elections arose out of the geopolitical interests of the USA rather than an objective commitment to democratic principles."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYou’re leaving out the fact that he gained those additional powers to crush already existing MI6 subversion in Iran. He did what he had to do to rid Iran of declining Anglo scumbags. And I am not a follower of either Chomsky or Zinn, but nice straw man regardless."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>yeah but he had to become an unconstitutional dictator!\nAgain, classic commie crocodile tears. Whine about the evil Americans in out of context screeds, then defend their corrupt retards with every excuse possible.\n\nMossedegh rose from being a populist who promised to revitalize Iran and instead went on a poorly thought out and antagonistic policy of economic warfare with Britain, going as far as stealing oil plants they built and owned. When the pushback resulted in Iran declining, instead of regrouping, he just doubled down which caused his popularity to fall. When he realized he was about to be booted, he aligned himself with communist and declared himself a dictator.\n\nSo try again faggot."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nSo in other words, you think it’s invalid and not based on a principle of preserving democracy"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>muh glowies did nothing wrong\nHe never declared himself a dictator, which is what became of the shah after the overthrow anyway. He was a western-style liberal through and through and was reacting to the glowie ops subverting his government. Domestic interference is an act of war and realistically justified the power grabs. I say this as a realist, not a communist. If the British didn’t use cover ops and ran crying to the CIA after they got kicked out it would not have been a long-term problem. He was bullheaded and could have managed the process of nationalization better but fundamentally the covert ops is what cause the chaotic situation to develop in the first place."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThis isn’t an opinion or moral judgment to call him a dictator, it’s an objective fact that he illegally reached beyond the scope of power he was allowed. He was literally a dictator.\n\nAnd, like I said, he pursued an extreme economic war fare with the UK, which included sending the military to seize oil platforms that were built and developed by the British, effectively just stealing millions of dollars of natural resources in strong armed robbery. They had every right to respond with sanctions and by the time he illegally became dictator (again, against Irans own laws) all bets were off. You think the CIA had to try hard to convince people to take him out?\n\nJuan Peron wanted to do something similar, nationalize the rail system of Argentina which was built and owned by Britain. You know what he did? Scheduled a meeting with British officials and worked out a plan where Argentina would buy out the rail roads which they both agreed to and it worked out perfectly for both sides.\n\nYou’re a juvenile when it comes to understanding these events and get your takes on them from Rage Against the Machine songs, even if you don’t realize it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhy are you acting like nationalization is some demonic act? Even the world court sided with Iran on this, and afterwards the British started their covert subversive operations, which led to Mosaddeqs power grabs in 1952, and the subsequent expulsion of the British in October that year. Afterwards the CIA picked up there and took over covert operations under Kermit Roosevelt, completely subverting and taking over Tehran’s civil society in the process, which you keep ignoring like a spook-loving faggot.\n\nNot a commie btw, so cram you strawmans up your glowie asshole."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nIf by \"invalid\" you mean \"malicious\" then yes."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nAt this point you aren’t even reading my post and just running off a script like a fucking bit. Once again, the issue wasn’t nationalization, it was that he stole a foreign countries assets and then just told them to fuck off. I even posted the example of Peron as a good example of nationalizing an industry, so fuck off with that strawman.\n\nYou also claimed that he wasn’t a dictator when this is just factually not true. He literally gave himself dictatorial powers for 6 months, then just kept kicking that can down the road.\n\nI also didn’t call you a commie, I called you a juvenile which is what you are based on your ignorance of this event and the way you respond to me, regarding le epic glownigger meme shit."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>commie hates democracy and thinks it malicious"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>He never declared himself a dictator\n\n> More popular than ever, a greatly strengthened Mosaddegh introduced a single-clause bill to parliament to grant him emergency \"dictatorial decree\" powers for six months to pass \"any law he felt necessary for obtaining not only financial solvency, but also electoral, judicial, and educational reforms\",\n\n> However, six months proved not long enough, and Mosaddegh asked for an extension in January 1953, successfully pressing Parliament to extend his emergency powers for another 12 months.[53]\n\n> A referendum to dissolve parliament and give the prime minister power to make law was submitted to voters, and it passed with 99 percent approval, 2,043,300 votes to 1300 votes against.[77] According to Mark J. Gasiorowski, \"There were separate polling stations for yes and no votes, producing sharp criticism of Mosaddeq\" and that the \"controversial referendum...gave the CIA's precoup propaganda campaign to show up Mosaddeq as an anti-democratic dictator an easy target\".[78] On or around 16 August, Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mosaddeq's emergency powers were extended."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>oh no not the heckin imperial oil properties!\nAre you an Anglo? Mosaddeq was originally elected on nationalizing the AIOC, and acting like they “stole” it just makes you seem like an Anglo dick-rider. Mosaddeq was an anti-colonial nationalist first and foremost, and entire PMship was based on kicking the British out. Once he did so and the British began embargoing Iran while running covert op (which you keep downplaying), he gained his increased powers to fend off colonial forces which for all extensive purposes were waging war. You’re probably the only person on this site sucking up for spook-colonialism, and it’s just sad."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>regarding le epic glownigger meme shit.\nIt’s not a meme, both the MI6 and CIA ran covert ops that Mosaddeq was overthrown by, pretending otherwise/downplaying, while calling nationalization “stealing”, is straight sophistry bordering on dick-sucking of the no longer existing British empires dick."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nYeah you’re done. I Buck broke you which is why you can’t only seethe\n\n>>33\nOrdering your military to seize foreign assets is theft. Again, you’re an emotional retard who gets his world view from Rage Against the Machine songs. You didn’t even know Mossedegh granted himself dictatorial powers, that’s how clueless you are."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNicaragua Betrayed https://a.co/d/0gE2vdG\n\nNicaragua Betrayed https://a.co/d/68sPO9U\n\nMemorias de un soldado: Nicaragua y la Guardia Nacional: 1928-1979 (Spanish Edition) https://a.co/d/fRSMa61\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20070523231141/http://www.sandino.info/somozadebayle.html\n\nThe true Sandino or Calvary of the Segovias , 1936, by Anastasio Somoza García\nhttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://albardanica.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/somoza-garcc3ada-a.-1936-el-calvario-de-las-segovias-el-verdadero-sandino.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjxl-eltIP5AhVKKkQIHXBdA_YQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3cFOHzOH-kpwbK1Cbm7Y1B\n\nhttps://www.unz.com/print/PolicyRev-1988q3-00056\nThe Contras' Valley Forge\nHow I View the Nicaragua Crisis\nby Enrique Bermudez\n\n\"Cronicas De Un Contra\" (La historia relatada por uno de sus protagonistas) https://a.co/d/0LXRabA\n\nRetards everywhere"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>23\ntldr. moss didn't know what to do at all\n\n>>32\nare U anglo!!!!!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>kicking a foreign colonial power out of your territory is theft\n>even when the corrupt government that even signed the lopsided D’arcy concession in the first place got overthrown in a constitutional revolution 40 years before\nGive it up faggot, the empire is dead. I misspoke on the expansion of is July ‘52 powers, but that doesn’t make you not a retard that blows glowie-colonial dick in your free time over 70 years after the fact."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nIt wasn’t a foreign colonial power, the British government built the oil industry in Iran, because it was undeveloped and poor and couldn’t do so themselves, and worked out a deal to share profits from the oil industry.\n\nYou’re an emotional child and you’re embarrassing yourself."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>11\nAre you literally insane?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>11\nJacobo Arbens Guzman, Guatemala, Operation PBSUCCESS"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Czechoslovak_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>19\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_invasion_of_Georgia"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\n>the British empire weren’t behaving as a foreign colonial power in Iran\nNigger are you serious? Are you stupid or arguing entirely out of bad faith?\nShah Nasir of the Qatar dynasty sold them a pants on head retarded oil concession (amongst many others that amounted to Irans own century of humiliation) that was completely one-sided and gave the vast majority of profits to the British. The British ran the Abadan refinery as a ran down shanty town, and even invaded Iran in WW2 to protect the flow of oil and to prevent Reza Shah from potentially allying with Hitler. The Russians invaded in the north as well. Post War, Mosaddeq rose to power entirely to get the British out, and when he got that they embargoed Iran, fucking their economy, fracturing the national-front, and started covert ops to overthrow him, which led to his 1952 power expansion over the military and police because Mohammad Shah was useless and would do fuck all. He entirely shut down the British embassy in October in 1952, in which the Eisenhower admin with the Dulles brothers and Kermit R. came in to pick up where the British left off. My only mistake is not interpreting the expansion of his powers as dictatorial powers, considering the fact the intelligence arms of both the British and Americans were in country trying and later succeeding in fermenting a coup. Your acting like taking the measure to kick out literal-globohomo is the actions of a complete despot. Ultimately you’re just a dick rider for literal colonial glowies with no grasp of the wider historical context."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>14\nLol\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_Uprising"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nTl;dr"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\n>>43\nWe know the Soviets were bad, stop deflecting you glownigger piece of shit shill. Arbenz was a democratic leader who just wanted to make an agrarian reform and the US squashed him like a bug (after carrying out agrarian reforms in US-occupied Japan and South Korea, so American leaders understood these were sometimes needed, they just never gave a fuck about latinos and that's why they are fleeing their wartorn countries now).\n\nYou made this thread 4 times and you got BTFO the 4 times. You are deflecting about Guatemala because you know there is absolutely nothing bad you could pin on Arbenz that would justify what the US did."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>11\n1957 in San Marino"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>11\nJoão Goulart in Brazil"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>Stop ignoring my Soviet agitprop\nHow about no\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\nYou didn't BTFO nothing. You're just spreading KGB propaganda. Azbenz was not a \"democratic leader.\" He was socialist dictator. Him being removed was a good thing."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>CIA dindu nuffin we never overthrew any democracy\n>Here's some known democracies the CIA overthrew, declassified official CIA documentation is provided as source in the link\n>B-b-but this is Soviet agitprop\nYou are an evil CIA golem"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nName one dictatorial action Arbenz took.\n(With source)"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>Here's some fake news and soviet agitprop\n>please believe it\nno thanks, and even if it was true, I wouldn't care either way because communists aren't people."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nArbenz was not a communist."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRonnie reagan was also a powerful aquarian so you can rest assured that he was unbreakable\nUnbribeable he had the spirit"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nProve Arbenz was democratic.\nWith source."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nYes he was... he implemented socialist policies such as nationalization and was close to the Soviet Union. He was a communist dictator."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nhttp://users.erols.com/mwhite28/govt1950.htm\n\nAmerican historian Matt White qualifies Guatemala under Arbenz as a full democracy in his Historical Atlas of the 20th Century.\n\nhttp://users.erols.com/mwhite28/govt1950.htm"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThere's no evidence Arbenz was democratically elected. He came to power through a coup in 1944.\n>Matt White qualifies Guatemala under Arbenz as a full democracy\nA claim without evidence so it can be ignored"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>3\nNah, the crux of their whining is that he worked with America's enemies and the military specifically so that he could circumvent a rule Congress specifically made."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\n>he implemented socialist policies such as nationalization\nAgrarian reform is not a communist policy, the US occupation did it in South Korea and Japan.\n\n>was close to the Soviet Union\nLiterally a lie, all he did was repeal the ban on Communist Parties but he did not seek relations with the Soviet Union."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nThe previous government was removed through a military coup that Arbenz participated in.\nAnd the election he won didn't let women to vote.\nSo no, he wasn't \"democratically elected.\" He was military dictator."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>Agrarian reform is not a communist policy,\nYes it is, every communist country nationalized land and did agrarian reform. It is a bedrock of socialist policy.\n>Literally a lie, all he did was repeal the ban on Communist Parties\nBecause he was a fucking communist. No shit he removed the repeal because he was working for them."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\n>There's no evidence Arbenz was democratically elected.\nYou are a fucking idiot or a blatant liar, which one is it? Could be both, too."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>\"On 19 October 1944, a small group of soldiers and students led by Árbenz and Francisco Javier Arana attacked the National Palace in what later became known as the \"October Revolution\".[31] Arana had not initially been a party to the coup, but his position of authority within the army meant that he was key to its success.[32] They were joined the next day by other factions of the army and the civilian population. Initially, the battle went against the revolutionaries, but after an appeal for support their ranks were swelled by unionists and students, and they eventually subdued the police and army factions loyal to Ponce Vaides. On 20 October, the next day, Ponce Vaides surrendered unconditionally.[33] Árbenz and Arana both fought with distinction during the revolt,[32] and despite the idealistic rhetoric of the revolution, both were also offered material rewards: Árbenz was promoted from captain to lieutenant colonel, and Arana from major to full colonel\"\nLmao, from your own wikipedia article. You are a fucking liar. Fucking retard, you don't think we see the rest of the article you cut out? We're much smarter than that."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\n>The previous government was removed through a military coup that Arbenz participated in.\nThey overthrew a dictator and called for elections, lying glowie snake\n\n>And the election he won didn't let women to vote\nFalse. Guatemala has female suffrage since 1945. You are a liar and a stupid one. All your lies fall apart very easily."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nWhat's the problem in overthrowing a dictator? So he was a hero, on top of a democratically elected leader.\n\nYou think the Italian partisans were bad for overthrowing Mussolini and calling for elections? This is your argument?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>64\n>every communist country nationalized land and did agrarian reform\nA does B. Therefore it does not follow all who does B is A. You fail basic logic. You are a stupid and low IQ glowie liar.\n\n>No shit he removed the repeal because he was working for them.\nOr he simply wanted democracy in his country? Last time I checked communist parties aren't banned in America."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nNah, you can't claim you're democratically elected when you came to power through using the military to coup the previous government. Arbenz was never democratically elected. He was just a coupist. Guatemala never had a democratic government because in the 1900s there were constant coups. Arbenz was another guy, dictator who came to power through a military junta, like his previous official. The idea he was a \"democratically elected\" is a total, 100% lie not backed up by history or any evidence. Arbanz was just another military dictator.\n>False. Guatemala has female suffrage since 1945\nYour own article says you're lying, retard. We can read it.\n>\"Elections subsequently took place in December 1944. Although only literate men were allowed to vote,\"\nTotal bullshit. The elections took place in 1944, he was elected in 1944. Learn your dates, retard."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nHe was a socialist\nHe nationalized property.\nHe unbanned communist parties.\nIts that simple.\n>Or he simply wanted democracy in his country?\nIf did, he wouldn't have established a military junta. You can't claim your elections are free when you run them under a junta government. Of course he got elected when he controlled the military. His sham election was no different than the Soviet elections of the Warsaw Pact - using the threat of the military to stay in power and sway elections your way."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\n>Nah, you can't claim you're democratically elected when you came to power through using the military to coup the previous government.\nHe was elected in 1950. Refer to >>65\n\n>Arbenz was another guy, dictator who came to power through a military junta, like his previous official.\nHe did not come to power through a coup, he was part of the coup but another guy took office. Arevalo. He was his Minister of Defense.\n\n>Your own article says you're lying, retard. We can read it.\nApparently you can't.\n\n>The elections took place in 1944\nArevalo was elected in 1944.\nArbenz was elected in 1950.\nYou can't read the sources provided.\nYou are stupid and low IQ.\n\nThere is no point arguing with you when you don't even know the date the guy became President."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>If did, he wouldn't have established a military junta. You can't claim your elections are free when you run them under a junta government. Of course he got elected when he controlled the military. His sham election was no different than the Soviet elections of the Warsaw Pact - using the threat of the military to stay in power and sway elections your way.\nThat's not what historians say, there was free speech, clean elections, and a legal opposition. But you don't even know the date on which he became President so you are a clown."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nHe did come to power through a coup through a coup through. He overthrew the previous government as a military official.\n>>72\nNo, retard, you actually believe people are stupid enough to not realize Arevalo and Arbenz were a part of the 1944 coup. None of them were \"democratically elected\" because they overthrew the previous government through a coup. It was three man junta, retard. You're just trying to pretend nothing happened before 1945 for Arbenz to be here he was. It just completely wrong and a lie.\nGo back to leftypol, tranny."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>That's not what historians say, there was free speech, clean elections, and a legal opposition.\nNone of it was \"legal\" and those \"historians\" are just propagandists and liars.\n>But you don't even know the date on which he became President so you are a clown.\nNo, you lack reading comprehension. Arbenz came to power in 1945, along with Arbenz, through a military coup - retard. He didn't need to be president, and became president only because his coupist collaborator allowed him to take power."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nYou already lost the debate. Arbenz, Arevaloa both came to power through military junta in 1945. Being elected president was irrelevant because the previous guy was his collaborator in the coup. Giving power to your military lackie after you take over the military doesn't make you democratically elected, retard. You're such ass dumbass you want us to think Arbenz officially came to power in 1950 when he was in power through a fucking coup in 1944. You don't even know what dates we're talking about you keep pretending the 1944 coup did not happen and Arbenz, Arevalo were not parties to it."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>He did come to power through a coup through a coup through. He overthrew the previous government as a military official.\nThey overthrew a dictatorship and called for elections. That's usually how dictatorships end, with military force not love letters.\n\n>You're just trying to pretend nothing happened before 1945 for Arbenz to be here he was.\nNope, you thought Arbenz became President in 1944 (because you did not bother to even read the source) and now you are backtracking like crazy.\n\n>Go back to leftypol, tranny\nI support democracy, not socialism, nor communism. Go lick the anus of your CIA overlords, you piece of shit shill. You probably think Assange is a communist, too.\n\nYou suck at shilling btw, it's the 4th time I've seen this thread."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\n>>76\nMattew White is a respected historian, I've used his Historical Atlas of the 20th Century to BTFO tankies many times here on /his/. He agrees Arbenz was a democratic leader. >>59\n\nYour CIA dindu nuffin line is bullshit and nobody believes it."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nHe didn't overthrew a dictatorship. The previous president was democratically elected.\n>Nope, you thought Arbenz became President in 1944\nNope, you thought Arbenz didn't come to power through a coup (which he did) after establishing a military junta with Arevalo.\n>I support democracy,\nBy supporting a South American dictator who came to power after couping the previous government? You are just spreading KGB propaganda.\n>You suck at shilling\nSo why is that nobody agrees with your position besides people on the internet? Most people don't give a fuck what you think. Guatemala is a shit hole country even today and the US won the cold war. You really think arguing with me is going to change history when you already lost?"}, {"id": 80, "content": "BTW, you have not been able to tell me a single dictatorial action Arbenz took as President... not a single protestor jailed, no newspapers closed, no parties banned, nothing.\n\nYou fail CIA shill."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\n>Mattew White is a respected historian,\nSo what? This a fallacious appeal to authority, and he's not correct. He's just doing propaganda and he provided no proof it was a democracy. Statements aren't proof, no matte r who says them.\n>'ve used his Historical Atlas of the 20th Century to BTFO tankies many times here on /his/.\nNo you're literally from leftypol and everyone here knows it.\n>Your CIA dindu nuffin line is bullshit and nobody believes it.\nThe only pro-Arbenz poster here is you, and outside of real life, nobody cares either way. The CIA won. What you doing arguing with people? You can't change the past, and the CIA still does its thing. You're a literal nobody with no power."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nHe came to power through a coup, he was a military dictator. That's proof enough. And nothing you say will make a difference. Nobody gives a fuck what you think either way. The US won the cold war, all you're doing is coping that the CIA was better at its job than the KGB. Keep crying."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\n>He didn't overthrew a dictatorship. The previous president was democratically elected.\nLies. Refer to Matt White.\n\n>Nope, you thought Arbenz didn't come to power through a coup (which he did) after establishing a military junta with Arevalo.\nArevalo was democratically-elected too.\nYou keep lying.\n\n>By supporting a South American dictator who came to power after couping the previous government\nHe was not a dictator, you haven't been able to provide a single shread of proof for your claims.\n\n>So why is that nobody agrees with your position besides people on the internet?\nNobody thinks the CIA dindu nuffin. Obama in fact has apologized to several Latin American countries for overthrowing their democracies. You are clueless and out of the loop."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>33\nSay what you will, nationalization is stealing."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nThe CIA can coup whatever socialist government it wants. What the fuck are you going to do about it? Argue with people on 4chan? Bro, that's totally going to stop the CIA.\nKid, listen. You are worthless. You are a nobody. You have no political power. Your opinion, along with Matt, doesn't matter. You can't change the past or the future. You're just loser. The victors write history, not the losers, so we don't have to give a shit what you think. The CIA will kill, overthrow as many socialist governments as it once and you won't do a fucking thing about it.\nA dictator was defeated by the CIA and the US won the cold war. You lost. Too bad."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>Obama in fact has apologized to several Latin American\nObama was a terrible president, and the fact you took him serious proves you can be ignored."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\nNow America is being invaded by the Central American nations you raped and destroyed under the Cold War excuse. You refuse to learn and you don't hold CIA glowies accountable for their crimes. This degrades the quality of your democracy.\n\n>>85\nSeethe harder, you lost this debate.\nThe truth always comes out. Looking forward to your next shill thread."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>Now America is being invaded by the Central American nations you raped and destroyed under the Cold War excuse.\nThey were shitholes before we got involved, and were shit holes after we left. Its has to do with their genetics. Latin America was always a backwater shit hole until the Spanish civilized it.\n>You refuse to learn and you don't hold CIA glowies accountable for their crimes.\nIt is not a crime to kill leftists, socialists. Crimes only apply to people and socialists aren't people."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>The truth always comes out. Looking forward to your next shill thread.\nPinochet won.\nThe US won.\nThe socialists lost. Bernie lost. You lost.\nKeep crying."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndisgusting thread, KYS OP"}, {"id": 91, "content": "the truth is that central america will always be poor regardless of the political ideology of their governments"}, {"id": 92, "content": "The CIA could literally kill you and your whole family and nothing would happen to them.\nNobody cares what leftists think. Nobody is going lose sleep because CEE-EYE-AYEE did something 70+ years. Nobody cares about that stuff besides trannies like you. The CIA's problem was it was killing socialists outside of the US when it should have been killing people like you here. It would have saved a bunch of trouble in the long wrong."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nThe CIA and their ZOG masters in Israel will be defunded in our lifetime."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nYou will be long dead before them. Keep larping on the internet, loser. You're not anonymous either, by the way, tons of people from /pol/ have been arrested recently. Your ISP logs everything so if you want to be a socialists revolutionary, try it. What what happens to you. There will be no mercy and you will be found."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">The CIA could literally kill you and your whole family and nothing would happen to them.\n>Nobody cares what leftists think. >Nobody is going lose sleep because CEE-EYE-AYEE did something 70+ years. Nobody cares about that stuff besides trannies like you. The CIA's problem was it was killing socialists outside of the US when it should have been killing people like you here. It would have saved a bunch of trouble in the long wrong."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>2\nThe guys who testified in defense of the Iran-Contra Affair were later put in charge of the 9/11 Comission."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>71\nArbenz was flawed on the communists as most south american leaders in the 50s"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>81\nit's funny cause arbenz lovers are also on far right groups aka duginist retards and 3p retards"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>85\nCIA was kinda of a failure in cuba tho.\n\n\nEven batista ripped jfk and eisenhower in his book \"cuba betrayed\""}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>76\nUbico was not irrevelent at all and was extremely important to fdr and truman"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>93\nIsrael was created by the british. lmfao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce\" moment"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Sword of Islam\n>turned exclusively against muslims\nwhat did he mean by this"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt was all Machiavellianism. According to him, the Muslims of the Golden Horde were \"too pagan\" and the Muslims of Delhi were guilty of ruling over millions of Hindus without genociding them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTamerlane was far more accomplished than Genghis"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAlso, unlike Genghis, he was his own best general. The Mongol empire would never have expanded to the extent it did without Subutai and Jebe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nGengis started from scratch and built up from there. He was also dealing with very strong opponents like prime Khwarezmian empire,other steppe hordes and Jin in Northern China .Most of these campaigns were led by him not some subordinate generals.Timur fought with Toqtamish who ran like a bitch,dying Tughlaq empire whose king was considered mad with one worthy opponent like Ottomans but he won there by having steppenigger Turks betray the Sultan.He could prove himself against Ming but he died"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nCorrection:Timur invaded India after the reign of the mad Emperor Muhammad bin Tughlaq was over so yeah it was pretty fucked up situation for India."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Gengis started from scratch and built up from there.\nHe was a literal noble who had plenty of his father's clients to call upon\n>He was also dealing with very strong opponents like prime Khwarezmian empire\nNo such thing. The Khwarezmian conquest was very fresh and did not establish control over their territory when the mongols came knocking\n>other steppe hordes\nConvienient how you dont mention them\n>Jin China\nThe Song stupidly agreed to ana lliance and attacked them as well. It literally took decades to finish off the Jin\n>Most of these campaigns were led by him not some subordinate generals\nBecome a better liar.\n>Timur fought with Toqtamish who ran like a bitch,dying Tughlaq empire whose king was considered mad with one worthy opponent like Ottomans but he won there by having steppenigger Turks betray the Sultan.He could prove himself against Ming but he died\nThe most biased shit I've ever read. Shove your mongolboo head up your ass. Not worth engaging with"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>He was a literal noble who had plenty of his father's clients to call upon\nLmao thats why he had to live like a poor orphan and had to raid to get his own wife back.\n>No such thing. The Khwarezmian conquest was very fresh and did not establish control over their territory when the mongols came knocking\nThey were never that strong before and were definitely extremely powerful ruling over shitton of valuable territory.\n>Convienient how you dont mention them\nWhat?\n>The Song stupidly agreed to ana lliance and attacked them as well. It literally took decades to finish off the Jin\nBecause Jin were great opponents to Mongols and Mongols won victories over them despite the odds.\n>Become a better liar.\nLearn more history retard.\n>The most biased shit I've ever read. Shove your mongolboo head up your ass. Not worth engaging with\nYou literally don't have any arguments. Pathetic."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nDefine \"accomplished\". Genghis Khan's career is linear and simple: he campaigned in Mongolia, China, Turkestan, Afghanistan, then finally back in China. Meanwhile Timur had to conquer Khwarezmia three times; the Ili, six or seven times; Eastern Persia, twice; Western Persia, three times; Russia, twice; and in the end, he failed to destroy the Ottoman Empire, the Golden Horde, the Khanate of Mogholistan and the Sultanate of Delhi, all polities which outlived his ruthless conquests and massacres.\nGenghis Khan, the illiterate barbarian of the northern Asian steppes, did a better job than Timur, the sedentary Turk and avid reader of Persian poetry, at maintaining his own conquests by ensuring the horde's loyalty through a primitive form of legalism and starting from a clean slate everywhere he went. Timur meanwhile was an ambiguous figure who saw both the Mongol and Islamic legal systems as means to assert his legitimacy, waging farcical religious wars against his fellow Muslims and massacring his way through Asia like Genghis while being from a much more civilised background, which makes his actions all the more inexcusable."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Timur was a marvelous farce of Eastern hypocrisy, complete with declarations of friendship, embraces of reconciliation, pious Quranic maxims recited at every turn, followed by betrayals, surprise attacks, summary executions in the Turkish style, and of course massacres and skull pyramids.\nIt's interesting to note that the furious insults of Ibn 'Arabshah against Tamerlane are no match for the pious defense by Sharaf ad-Din. The plea here is far more devastating than the pamphlet."}, {"id": 12, "content": "In my mind Babur was Timur 2.0 or Genghis 3.0\n>kept getting defeated\n>empire was smaller at its peak but lasted for a lot longer"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nBabur kept getting btfo'd and only conquered Northern India and Eastern Afghanistan. The former he did with canons. His descendants like Akbar were the ones who consolidated and spread the empire."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTimur died while he was on his way to China and he never managed to invade China.\n\nTimur i Lang (Tamerlame) invaded the Middle East after his invasion of India. He slaughtered, tortured and raped his own co-religionist Sunni Muslims across Iraq and Syria. Timur's Tatar (Turco-Mongol Central Asian) Sunni soldiers gang raped Sunni Arab women and virgins girls of Iraq and Syria in their own mosques.\n\nThis is the story of horror that the Turco Mongol conqueror Timur inflicted upon the Sunni Muslim Arabs of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. His soldiers gang raped girls while their brothers and fathers were tortured and forced to watch in the mosques.\n\nhttps://archive.is/IJQD0\n\nremove the . between just and paste to get the url.\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210908183250/https://just.paste.it/2kj98\n\nThey say the descendants of his Turco-Mongol soldiers are found among the Sunni Arab populations of those places today due to the amount of virgin girls that were violated. Iraqi Arabs are the rape children of Timur.\n\nAll Arab women were violated and raped by Turks, Mongols, Ethiopians, Persians, Armenians etc."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>14\nTimur's Turco Mongol soldiers mass raped and impregnated Sunni Arab girls in Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.\n\nAll Arab Sunnis carry the DNA of his soldiers.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10249882/#q10252672"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Pike and shot\n>Rotating Volley Fire from Crossbows\n>Protecting Crossbowmen using shielded Pikemen.\n>387 pound draw Crossbows\n>Steel tipped.\n\nAnyone that claims Rome would have won against the Han in a theoretical confrontation is full of shit. Han Dynasty was literally using tactics Europeans wouldn't develop until the 16th century. Not only that Han Crossbows would have raped the shit out of Roman forces as we know even Parthian arrows were able to piece roman armour and shields and their bows were only 105 pound."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Though I agree that Han and Tang at their peaks would mog Romans but most of these \"military advancements\" were just on paper and were vaguely included in the records because they sounded fancy. I remember some shit Chinese used to propose as advanced tactics but it was just a mess like the fancy records surrounding hussite mobile fortresses."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Implying those fancy high-tech crossbows were standard issue and not the novelties of a noble's elite guard\nThe average Chinese crossbow had a light draw weight that could barely pierce the leather armor of the Mongolians and would bounce off a shield. The Han had to make equipment for a lot of soldiers, and there's no way they would devote so much steel to something like optimized crossbows or their bolts when there needs to be enough to arm 100,000 guys.\nIf there's one thing the Han had going for them, it was the fact they realized you need more people in support then you did fighting on the front lines. Romans had 3 infantrymen for every one doing some manner of support task, while the Chinese had 10 men supporting a single infantryman."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt that time, Chinese were still human."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why did the romans invest in dagger infantry? these suck in every game in every game I played. Macedonians had pikemen and combined arms and easily overwhelmed the persians only being stopped by indian war elephants."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Why did the romans invest in dagger infantry?\nGladius is more of a short sword than a dagger.It was good for chopping and thrusting.Probably had a good nieche against the similarly armoured opponents like Gauls and Punics. They eventually discontinued it's used though and adopted spears and longer swords."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nMacedonians were also defeated by these “dagger” guys. The phalanx was not very mobile and would kinda suck in a prolonged melee"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>an Dynasty was literally using tactics Europeans wouldn't develop until the 16th century.\nand? the romans would develop tactics to counter them after a few battles. and vice versa.\n\nare you really too stupid to understand how tactics come about to begin with? humans adapt to circumstance."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou forgot the part where the chinks are 4'11"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>comparing poundage of bows to crossbows\nactual retard"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNta, why can't you compare bow and crossbow poundage?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nBecause a crossbows draw length is tiny by comparison. You need a massive arbalest to get the same power as a standard war bow. So if it takes, say, 1200lbs to crank a arbalest you'd get the same power out a 250 lbs warbow because the bow gets more power.\nThe mathmatical formula for power is work over time, and work is force times distance. So by increasing the draw of the bow, you get more work, and therefor more power\n\n(f*d)/t\nSo for a bow its\n(225*2.5ft)/0.2s\nAnd a crossbow its\n(1200*0.75)/0.2s\n\nRoughly comparable but I hope that explains it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>I hope that explains it\nYeah it did, thanks bro."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>shielded Pikemen.\nI don't think you understand how pikes work"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nIn real life those phalanx destroy elrphants. Alexander easily crushed Indian war elephants which are bigger than the African elephants hannibal had with him."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nYour average legionaire army would destroy Han infantry. But the issue would be cavalry. Romans had a weakness against heavily armored cavalry. So it depends on the general. Overall they were simply too distant from each other. The logistics weren't possible at the time. But had the romans reached India. And China as well. Who knows. Both fighting outside their elements. At the end of their logistics. Probably be a shitshow."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>loses to some funny looking guys on horses"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nElephants reportedly were only good for the shock and awe approach. Against troops who'd never faced an elephant, or just badly disciplined rabble, an elephant charge had a good chance of producing a rout. But against disciplined, experienced troops they were very ineffective. The Romans had defeating elephants down to a science."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>Your average legionaire army would destroy Han infantry.\nJust because you say so lmao\n>But had the romans reached India. And China as well.\nWhat when? The farthest expedition they had was at Persian gulf and that too happened over well developed territory."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nWho are you talking about?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>>Your average legionaire army would destroy Han infantry\nI don't see a reason for that to be the case. It's not like the Roman legionary was a superior soldier that was the secret to Rome's success. Probably the most impressive thing about Rome, particularly the Republic, was their refusal to give up even after suffering grievous losses. They could have an entire army of 50,000 men annihilated in the field and would just raise two armies to replace it. If Rome itself was besieged they'd dig in and eat rats and dogs to survive. If Rome was sacked, they'd rebuild, form new armies, then come after whoever did it, even if it took more than a generation.\n\nYou add this tenacity to their rigid discipline and exceptional organization and the recipe for Roman success doesn't really require superior warriors. They adapt their soldiery as needed to whatever their current enemy is. They abandoned the Greek phalanx because it was ill-suited to the terrain in Italy, they adopted Celtic weapons after clashing with the tribes of Gaul and Iberia, they imitated Germanic cavalry after suffering devastating losses against it, they copied Persian armor after seeing how effective it was, etc. The Roman soldier is an amalgam of whatever they found most useful."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThe average roman infantrymen was better than their Han counterpart IMO due to the prominence of heavy infantry compared to their Han counterparts. Roman infantry was the bedrock of the Roman army and thus were tirelessly trained and drilled. Han infantry never had that level of importance so their force of professional soldiers was only around 20,000 dispersed across provinces and frontier garrisons, with the majority of the Han infantry made up conscripts or reservists instead of those professional soldiers."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\n>The average Chinese crossbow had a light draw weight that could barely pierce the leather armor of the Mongolians and would bounce off a shield.\n\nTrue for the Qin who used bronze, but the Han preferred iron and steel.\nAlso the Han Dynasty Crossbows were not weak. Han Dynasty crossbows were very powerful and were significantly stronger than Parthian bows. The historical recurve bows of East Asia were roughly similar to English longbows in drawweight (100-140 lbs being common, the upper ones around 160-180s) and had a powerstroke of ~27-29 inches (similar to English longbow arrows of 30 inches with draw of ~28 inches). The \"standard\" Han Dynasty crossbows were 387lb in draw weight with what was probably 18-21 inch powerstrokes. If you do the powerstroke-draw weight joule calculation, the standard Han Dynasty crossbow would have 50% more power than the top tier 180lb draw weight long bows and recurve bows.\nAt Carrhae, Parthian arrows were actually going through Roman shields and riveting the soldier's hands to their shields according to Plutarch in his \"Life of Crassus.\" According to Cassius Dio's \"Roman History Book XL,\" the Parthian arrows were flying into the Romans' eyes, piercing their hands, and even penetrating their armor. Thegnthrand on Youtube did a test of a 105lb bow, and that bow could penetrate historically accurate riveted mail with linen padding underneath. Han Dynasty crossbow bolts would've gone through Roman hamata armor without much difficulty."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Romans mogged the Parthians constantly."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nHalf true."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWhich half is which?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Pike and shot\nOnly situationally useful, there’s a reason the Sparabara weren’t adopted by Greeks.\n\n>Rotating Volley Fire from Crossbows\nK\n>Protecting Crossbowmen using shielded Pikemen.\nHow well would those pikemen fair against Roman legions?\n>387 pound draw Crossbows\nK\n>Steel tipped.\nOne would hope they weren’t using stone or bronze tips"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>16\n>Romans had a weakness against heavily armored cavalry. So it depends on the general.\nLaughs in auxiliaries\nGermans, Gauls, Spaniards, and Sarmatians would mog the shit out of Han cavalry. Hell in this hypothetical war Rome would probably ally with the Xiongnu just like they allied with the Numidians to defeat Carthage."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nThe constantly part is false.\nThe romans mogged the parthians overall for sure, but Crassus wasn't the only general they rekt."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\nBecause it doesnt tell the whole story. Like the other anon said you also need to take in consideration the draw lenght/power stroke. But even if you take this in cosideration, it also also doesnt tell the whole story since there lots of other small details that affects the coversion from stored energy into projectile speed.\nAnd even then, this entire discusion is only about the projectile at the moment it leaves the bow/crossbow, just one part of the equation, and there is still a whole other question about how this projectile interacts with its target.\n\nTod from Tod's workshop who makes high quality replicas of medieval crossbows has nice video about this topic where he compares and cronographs a medieval crossbow a longbow and a modern crossbow\n\nhttps://youtu.be/TdB470lo6nM [Embed]"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey wouldnt be any deadlier than European bows as both could pierce armor and neither could pierce heavy shields.\ninfact the arc of fire would mean Roman bows would be superior."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\n>Just because you say so lmao\nThis whole thread is people just saying shit\n>What when?\nRetard"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nDiference is any general they rekt was invading them. It's not the same as going to Roman territory and reking their shit there"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>23\nno they were tested, they couldnt go through Roman shields."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah yeah yeah Chinese wunderwaffle and wunderformations, exist only in cartoons like in your pic without any physical evidence. Never mentioned by outsiders, only referenced in ancient Chinese Isekai novels. 5000 years of history and no artifacts, meanwhile Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Myceneans, etc all left cool stuffs behind that attest their antiquity\nNot to mention the word \"crossbow\" in Chinese is a SEA loanword, indicating they borrow crossbow tech from SEA tribes living in southern china"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>5000 years of history and no artifacts, meanwhile Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Myceneans, etc all left cool stuffs behind that attest their antiquity\n>Not to mention the word \"crossbow\" in Chinese is a SEA loanword, indicating they borrow crossbow tech from SEA tribes living in southern china\nWhy are you blatantly lying?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nhttps://stedt.berkeley.edu/~stedt-cgi/rootcanal.pl/etymon/455"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>use thicker shield\n>anally rape crossbow enthusiasts in close quarters"}, {"id": 39, "content": "remember the CCP destroyed most of the ancient records during the Cultural Revolution, and most of the Chinese history that survives are because the manuscripts were stolen or even purchased by the British\n\nnot even the first time that happened in Chinese history though, or the second\n\nwell something similar happened to Rome too, and Greece, etc..."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\n\n>Roman infantry was the bedrock of the Roman army and thus were tirelessly trained and drilled.\n\nThis is a popular myth of the Roman legions that doesn't hold up to recent scholarship. The Roman legionary was nothing special in terms of training and discipline; their level of readiness was equivalent to other professional armies of their time.\n\n>with the majority of the Han infantry made up conscripts or reservists instead of those professional soldiers.\n\nThe Romans were the exact same way. Rome always practiced conscription and that never stopped even towards the twilight years of the empire. In the Republican era, during times of peace the legions would be formed by a small corps of professional soldiers supported by mercenaries. These forces were supplemented during wartime by mass conscription, which was true for most armies throughout history."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>always\nThe literal point of the augustan reforms is that it was impossible to hold the new distant frontiers with the conscript forces of the republic. They had to be full time and preferably settled there after discharge. Conscription only happened during emergencies until these became the new normal by the mid third century."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>their level of readiness was equivalent to other professional armies of their time\nWhich is pretty much equivalent to saying that the average legionary was top tier elite, since back then professionals only made up the elite core of armies rather than their entirety.\nHan China for example had like 150-200k professionals raised at any point and the rest was dudes on 2y military service duty."}, {"id": 43, "content": "Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Wen Yang, Zhang Liao, Lu Bu alone would mog the entire Roman Empire and every other Western civilisation combined at once."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>12\nwhy are you taking time into consideration? stored energy is force integrated over distance\nbut this is indeed a good video >>30\ndon't think he mentioned force-draw curve though, haven't watched it in a while"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the Han army was so powerful why did Northern China fall to barbarians of the 16 kingdoms?\nNeither the Romans nor the Chinese were invincible and both suffered terrible defeats against foes which, supposedly, were less advanced."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>21\nso just like the russians today"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>21\nPOV: All you know about Roman Warfare comes from a Oversimplified vid.\n\nThey did not abandon the Phalanx because it was ill-suited to the terrain in Italy you mongoloid. This is not the 20th Century where you have army corps moving everywhere both sides usually preferred conducting battles in more or less leveled terrain, aka plains.\nThe manipular system was simply far more advanced than the Phalanx. It was incredibly mobile, it could perform rotations almost seamlessly, and it was trained to do complex army wide maneuvers like the manipular extension without losing cohesion.\nThe gladius was an excellent weapon within Roman shock combat theory, which revolved around fighting as a group, mechanically, and close to the enemy. They often easily routed heavier units than them in frontal shock combat. Phalanxes were walls of spears more suited for defense than anything, but they quickly melted down if they engaged the enemy too close, or with, god forbid, any flank, which its lack of maneuverability certainly didn't help with.\nThis is all without mentioning the unprecedented level and quality of training, discipline and professionalization of the Roman army.\nTheir infantry was so dominant that they didn't really use their shitty roman cavalry for more than protecting flanks for a long time - they didn't need it.\nEither way, come Marian reforms, and the army is standardized, sacrificing combat effectiveness and troop quality for logistical and organizational ability in a growing empire. Even then, they were still very dominant, and all the organizational, logistical, professional, training and tactical standards they set would take a millennia and some centuries to be restored, and copied, all the way to the Napoleonic Wars, so, if anyone was ahead, was them."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nBut basically, the Manipular system was the height of the Roman army, combat wise. With the technology they had you hardly, if at all, could have a better army.\nIt was not a coincidence that Pyrrhus said that if was the King of Rome he would conquer the World."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nSame reason Rome fell to Inferior Germanics: the rulers got lazy and relied on foreign barbarian troopsto make up the military."}, {"id": 50, "content": "Romans dont run away when charged at. Chinks do. Even Sun Tzu talked about it.\nThe xbow are cope because they're pussies.\nBesides, chinks have shit scale armor and considered the chainmail that Central Asians and Tibetan used superior. Chainmail is the standard for Rome. Rome also has a ton of auxillaries that mogs the Han manlets like Illyrian, Gauls, Germanics, Berbers"}, {"id": 51, "content": "Reminder that this shit did not exist. Chinese museums regularly meet closed for accepting fraud artifacts. In 2013, four of China's largest museums were all forced to close."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nYou've never read Ammianus."}, {"id": 53, "content": "The Han never had heavy cavalry before steppe people introduced cataphracts to them. Stirrups was invented by one of the barbarian dynasty in northern china and heavy cavalry armor and figurines only appeared when during 5 barbarian peroid"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>41\n\n>The literal point of the augustan reforms is that it was impossible to hold the new distant frontiers with the conscript forces of the republic.\n\nBy the time Augustus came into power, the traditional military strength of the Roman state had much declined; Rome was suffering from a crisis of declining birth rates and shrinking manpower reserve. Rome could no longer throw waves bodies at their enemies and grind them down through sheer attrition like they used to.\n\n>They had to be full time and preferably settled there after discharge.\n\nWhich is true, but this never resolved the manpower crisis the Roman military faced. The Romans began to rely heavily on their auxiliaries and foreign mercenaries during the Early Imperial period, in fact over half of Roman forces were composed of auxiliaries until the 3rd century when Caracalla gave citizenship to all inhabitants of the empire. The auxiliaries were only dissolved because the citizenship divide between the auxiliaries and legion no longer existed.\n\n>Conscription only happened during emergencies until these became the new normal by the mid third century.\n\nConscription was more common during the Republican Era than the Imperial. By the 3rd century the Roman state was having a difficult time press ganging citizens into service; not for lack of trying. In Italia, when recruiters were rumored to be traveling an area to conscript soldiers it was not unusual for Roman men to deliberately maim themselves in order to avoid conscription."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>22\n> Roman infantry was the bedrock of the Roman army and thus were tirelessly trained and drilled.\n\nThat's why Roman legionaries was considered trained after 4 months, while Han reservists all get 2 years.\n\n> with the majority of the Han infantry made up conscripts or reservists instead of those professional soldiers.\n\nHan soldiers already had large professional force by the time Rome had the Marius reform.\n\n\"Together with similar elements in other campaigns, such as the conquests of the Southern Yueh and Southwestern 1 in 112 BC and of Korea in 109 BC, the Han army would had at least 150,000 such soldiers in its professional ranks by 97 BC. And there is no indication in Han Dynasty sources that the army ever went back to the rotating conscription of soldiers from men of regular social station (liang-min); the conscription system was replaced by a professional army. In either case, 150,000 men was a considerable percentage of the Han standing army of 500,000 to 600,000 men, and later 600,000 to 700,000, large enough to change the general perception and image of the Han army among the populace.\"\n\nThe Rise of the Chinese Empire 1, page 186"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>3\nThere was literally a Han armory inventory listing more than 548.888 crossbows with 11.492.689 bolts (20 bolts for each crossbows) in just that one armory.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Han_dynasty"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>45\nBecause the Three Kingdoms era cause a large population drop.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_China\n\nFrom 60,800,000 to 37,986,000 in estimates, and from 50,068,856 to 8,200,000 according to census."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nammianus died shortly before the goths and vandals sacked rome"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>39\nJuyan slips were excavated by a Sino-Swedish team in the 1930s hardly representative of the CCP."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Reason is the antithesis of the divine. This is why secular navel-gazing on divine matters continuously creates its own biased isolated body of self-coherent knowledge that goes against all spirituality."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, I deeply dislike Martin Luther.\nReason is one of our best tools for approximating the truth and Christianity is the truth (right?), so I warmly embrace all reason in discourse. I am comfortable reasoning from a position that is initially faith based.\n>continuously creates its own biased isolated body of self-coherent knowledge that goes against all spirituality.\nThis is selection bias on your part. When the conclusion is reasonable and interwoven with spirituality, you ignore it. When it's something more opaque, like when Catholics reaffirmed transubstantiation at the Council of Trent, you notice and care."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah because it reveals religion is fake\n>>2\nThen how come reason is against Christianity"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>secular navel-gazing on divine matters continuously creates its own biased isolated body of self-coherent knowledge\nThis. Science only works because it confirms itself and destroys other sources of knowledge until only “science” remains. It’s circular reasoning. People will cite research papers that cite other papers, but what makes any of them true save for the fact that others cite the papers?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhow come other \"sources of knowledge\" are impotent to destroy science"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Then how come reason is against Christianity\nI simply do not believe it is. I see Christianity as the reasoning man's religion. Certain hold-out elements from Judaism, like all of Genesis as an example, are much less logical, but the actual Christianity and its doctrines? They are all intricately logical, like a perfected network of gears."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>but what makes any of them true save for the fact that others cite the papers?\nData collected from observing the real world?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWhat about the various miracles which are supposed to establish the divinity of Jesus, how is that logical"}, {"id": 9, "content": "THIS IS WHAT KIERKEGAARD HAS BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME\n\nThe fact that religion has to compete now with scientific metaphysics is perhaps the most damning evidence that religion is false and a cope for weakness"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nNTA and I think he's a little glib.\nIt's because science and \"scientific\" are umbrella terms that merely describe rigorous observation of reality. When other \"sources of knowledge\" do exist, the scientific community incorporates them into their body of knowledge.\nThis is science's strength and why it cannot be defeated as such.\nThat's not a bad thing, of course. Science should be open-minded and flexible to new information, pursuing the truth as thoroughly as possible. Science's strengths are our strengths too."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>Science only works because it confirms itself and destroys other sources of knowledge until only “science” remains\nAll science itself does is create theories which explain and predict the physical world. The idea that anything outside the scope of science (ie God) doesn’t exist is a philosophical claim that people have decided to accept, but it’s exterior to science as a discipline."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nI don't see how that is illogical.\n0) Presuppose that a divine world exists.\n1) Humans ubiquitously, from all cultures and eras, pursue the divine and spiritual in some fashion.\n2) If humans ubiquitously detect a divine world and if it is real, that indicates that the divine world has some impact upon the real world that humans can detect.\n3) If the divine world makes measurable impacts on the real world, then larger impacts - like \"miracles\" - are unsurprising. A miracle is, in the strictest definition, simply a divine:real interaction that produced a result that cannot be replicated by manipulating only real-space, generally with a net positive outcome I suppose. It seems natural that many divine:real interactions would therefore constitute miracles.\nWe have arguments for why the divine world exists and can argue about point 0. You see our view as illogical because we disagree there, not on the miracles themselves."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nits just illogical, you cant infer God (an infinite being) from miracles (finite events)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\ndata collected is not necessarily true\neven more so can be said about the interpretation of the data"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nI agree, but remember that your first question was about Jesus, rather than the Father or Spirit or the whole trinity. I see Christ's miracles as proof of His divinity, rather than the existence of God itself. At the very least, it shows that Jesus possessed an intimate knowledge of the divine compared to the rest of us humans.\nThe argument for God stems from testimonies of seeing him (lol) and some basic arguments like prime mover (pretty weak). Still, it's all quite logical, even if the logic is rather unconvincing. Most of the Christians who have a sincere faith in God tend to have had experiences beyond this, like feeling God's presence or having prayers answered. The line \"I will not believe He has risen until I stick my finger through the hole in His hand,\" comes to mind. However, those who see God should envy you, as the Bible says that greater rewards are in store for those who believe without seeing."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>3=1"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>I see Christ's miracles as proof of His divinity\nHow are finite actions proof that he is an infinite being\n>At the very least, it shows that Jesus possessed an intimate knowledge of the divine compared to the rest of us humans.\nMaybe he was a sorcerer"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nMy retort is basically that the Trinity, while important, is not fundamental to Christianity and Christians can be Christians without it.\nChristians have argued about the Trinity since literally forever. If you find the standard 3-in-1 to be disappointing, there are plenty of Christians who believe otherwise. You might have to revive some shit from like 500 AD though.\nPersonally though, I think the 3-in-1 explanation is the only one that makes sense. If all three are God and God is infinite then they must be co-equal. However, there is lots of arguments for why this wouldn't be the case and I respect them (even if the faiths behind them are long dead by now)."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nIt is true that finite actions cannot be proof of infinite power, I agree. I also think it's possible, in a theoretical way, that Christ was just a sorcerer or something and LARPed as God's son. After all, I believe the divine is real and can be understood. And if something can be understood, it can be controlled and harnessed. Thus, it is plausible to me, though I am sure it is quite outlandish to you, that someone could harness the divine and trick other humans with this power.\nI think this ultimately takes me back to my final redoubt of Christianity. Even if Christ was just a charlatan and the miracles were either His own work or entirely fabricated, to what end was it used? So that Christ could take no wives, hold no property, live as a vagrant, tell us to love our enemies and get tortured and mocked and crucified - literally begging God to forgive His executors as He dies? It seems an odd charlatan who does this.\nI will say you've made some good points. You are 100% right that finite miracles cannot validate an infinite scope. It raises the interesting point that real-space itself seems finite (both in terms of matter and time), and thus there is literally no action possible which God can take in real-space that would validate Him as an infinite being. I will accept that I could be wrong though and that real-space is actually infinite, though I'd love to hear why.\n\nIn any case, I will stop ignoring your main point:\nI believe the Christian argument is that Jesus Christ was not a divine being prior to His resurrection. As such, He was - in truth - finite. His finite miracles are proof of His finite divinity, mostly showing that He was truthful in claiming to be the Son of God by being lent God's power. I find miracles logical for the aforementioned reasons and think/accept that \"sorcery\" would constitute a miracle under my definition."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nmore like (1=one=I)=Un you dumb motherfucker"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>So that Christ could take no wives, hold no property, live as a vagrant, tell us to love our enemies and get tortured and mocked and crucified - literally begging God to forgive His executors as He dies? It seems an odd charlatan who does this.\nI will tell you straight away that I would do the very same thing, what are these short torments compared to his reputation, which is the greatest and most glorious a human being could hope for? And recall that by your own admission he did not even die"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI feel like there are plenty of ways to be the greatest and most glorious human without going through a brutal torture/execution combo and having to live as a homeless incel for 30+ years.\nI also feel like pride, at least in reference to the other humans, is a very shallow thing and will shatter if you really have such power and connection with the divine. What does it matter that other exalt you? They are mocking you as you die, right now.\nI also feel like no connection to the divine nor power from it can compel a man to suffer such a cruel fate unflinchingly. You would be, as a human, making a truly superhuman choice and would validly earn recognition as the greatest human who ever lived anyhow.\nI would be kind of confused as to why you LARPed as God's son though since you could have just said you were a messenger or whatever."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>I feel like there are plenty of ways to be the greatest and most glorious human without going through a brutal torture/execution combo\nWhat is more glorious than rising from the dead\n>having to live as a homeless incel for 30+ years.\nHis ministry was only for a few years\n>I also feel like no connection to the divine nor power from it can compel a man to suffer such a cruel fate unflinchingly.\nMany great men have suffered for the sake of immortal fame\n>I would be kind of confused as to why you LARPed as God's son though since you could have just said you were a messenger or whatever.\nBetter to be remembered as a God than as God's slave"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>What is more glorious than rising from the dead\nHow about just taking over the world? You can quite easily force the other humans to exalt you as the greatest. Then you won't even have doubters the way we do now.\n>His ministry was only for a few years\nYeah but he was still a carpenter in 20 AD and never even got laid.\n>Many great men have suffered for the sake of immortal fame\nSure, but no human has ever had the power to just escape a situation like that. Humans are fickle creatures. We have emotions and thoughts and they make us do strange things and change our minds and act out.\nChrist had the ability to leave the execution, blunt his ability to feel the pain, or simply die at any time but chose to suffer it, and he continued choosing to suffer it for every second. That is superhuman and no divine power can simply grant someone that amount of conviction.\n>Better to be remembered as a God than as God's slave\nI suppose. Could have just said that the God of Abraham is fake and you are the real God, but whatever I guess maybe he just likes to LARP."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>How about just taking over the world?\nJesus has conquered more territory than any monarch on earth\n>Yeah but he was still a carpenter in 20 AD and never even got laid.\nWho knows if he did, maybe he had a succubus harem he fucked\n>blunt his ability to feel the pain\nMaybe he did\n>Could have just said that the God of Abraham is fake and you are the real God, but whatever I guess maybe he just likes to LARP.\nBut that's what modern charlatans do, they claim they're Jesus' second coming or whatever"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>9\n>scientific metaphysics\nNo such thing, anon. You're thinking of materialist metaphysics, and this is separate from science. This is true even if you go woke and pretend it isn't."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nPretty sure physicalist or naturalism is more accurate. To sum up reality as matter is just not scientific."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the divine isn’t a reasonable thing to believe at least in a religious context.\nYou’re almost to the destination but you took an exit too early"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nYou're just using different terms. When I said materialism, it is in the sense of the assertion of nothing being real outside of the material/energy-based universe. But there has to be a cause for everything that isn't uncaused, so this position doesn't metaphysically cohere."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>20\nare the father, son and the holy spirit synonymous in the way that \"1\" and \"one\" are?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>But there has to be a cause for everything that isn't uncaused\nI’ve seen this a million times and I don’t know what you mean. What is an example of something that is caused in this context? What is a specific example?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>I’ve seen this a million times and I don’t know what you mean.\nIt's tautologically true, anon. Think about it for a minute.\n\n>What is an example of something that is caused in this context?\nAnything in the universe that is comprised of matter and/or energy."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nAnon I’m asking you for a specific example because each thing has its own study and different causes.\nBtw cause is usually used to describe an event not an object which makes the wording real clumsy"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod gave me reason and it would be sinful to not use His Gift."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>9\nReligion is not in competition with science. They are complimentary to each other. Faith encompasses truth revealed by God. Science encompasses truth revealed by reason."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\nCatholicism is one of the most rational endeavours man has ever undertaken"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Hyperbolic"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>18\n>the Trinity, while important, is not fundamental to Christianity\nIt most certainly is fundamental"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\nThey are contextually distinctive but of the same essence and being"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>29\nWhat reason do we have to believe that matter/energy is caused? We've never observed it to be created or destroyed and aren't aware of a time in which all of it didn't already exist."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>33\nCause is being used in a philosophical sense, it is the reason(s) why something exists/began to exist."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThe concept of matter (and energy) is an abstract idea. Any physical object in the universe, which is comprised of matter or energy - is caused. All objects in the universe, we can say, are comprised of matter and energy according to natural science, but the abstract concepts themselves are not particular physical objects in their own right.\n\nYou could choose to describe things in terms of wavefunctions as well if you want, but then all particular quantum wavefunctions, which obey the laws of physics, are caused. Whatever you want to say that physical objects are composed of, it is still the case that these particular physical objects are all caused, and they all follow the physical laws of the natural world. The ideas we use to describe what physical objects are actually comprised of, are just abstract concepts. Some concepts are better at approximating the behavior of the universe than others, but they are concepts nonetheless. As an aside, if you think abstract concepts have a real existence, then you would also not be a materialist, but instead a (philosophical) realist."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nDon't get too attached to \"matter and energy\" is all I'm trying to say"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nRegardless of how we can or cannot describe it, physical objects are made of something (I'll call it matter for convenience, but I won't claim all the connotations that has in physics), with that matter being in a particular arrangement.\nBecause an object is defined by its arrangement, objects as we identify them can be created and destroyed by changing that arrangement - and all arrangements are observed to have causes. If a table is defined as wood arranged in a particular way, we can say the table was caused by whoever arranged the wood, and ceases to exist if that arrangement radically changes. But the matter itself is never observed to be brought into existence by a cause, only transformed. Sure that wood wasn't always wood and won't always be wood, but when that wood is shredded that molecules it consists of are simply scattered. When the wood is burned the atoms are separated and may or may not form different molecules, etc. with nuclear fusion. Even if we can't identify the simplest components of stuff, we know the amount of stuff isn't changing. We can experimentally verify the conservation of mass and we can use E = mc^2 to mathematically describe nuclear reactions.\n\nIf we accept that something can be uncreated, matter seems like a good candidate. The only thing that needs to be explained is the current arrangement of matter. For that, we can trace the cause-and-effect chain until the big bang. I'll admit we don't have an explanation for matter's arrangement in a singularity at that time, and if you want to attribute that to God I think that's reasonable, but I don't see how the existence of what we call matter, that which is arranged to make objects, is what begs for a cause."}, {"id": 45, "content": "Obviously the classical synthesis is wrong but discarding reason doesn't work either. If you get rid of reason you have successfully divested yourself of any means of arguing for or against anything. It's actually the opposite, faith is the ground of reason. Apart from the true God there is no reason for reason. This is why philosophy is foolishness, because they attempt to construct their own worldviews on rational grounds, which can only stand on the divine revelation they deny."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>If we accept that something can be uncreated, matter seems like a good candidate\nMatter is actually a terrible candidate because of its contingent and mutable properties. The conservation of energy is actually evidence that confirms biblical creation and was a biblically derived prediction. The bible says that God ceased creation at the end of the creation week and the bible says nothing comes to existence except by God creating it, so put those two together and it necessitates that all energy today has existed since the creation of the world."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nMatter can change forms over time and it is not always in the same arrangement. Despite the fact that this is always changing, the rules of nature specifically cause matter to change and evolve in certain ways. Anything that is in the natural universe is subject to the same forces and that causes the same order to emerge. So, the laws of the natural universe cannot be coming from anything within the universe, since the universe changes according to it and not the other way around. In terms of causality, the stuff of the universe could only \"exist\" if the natural laws that it obeys also exist. But these have to come from somewhere else in order to be imposed on the universe, they can't come from the universe or matter itself."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nIf you're arguing that we cannot explain the states matter happens to be in without an actor external to the physical universe as we know it, than I would agree"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nWell, if something doesn't obey the natural laws then it's supernatural right?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>Matter is actually a terrible candidate because of its contingent and mutable properties\nI'm arguing that the existence of matter is uncaused, not the state that it is currently in. We observe matter to be transformed as the result of causes but we never observe it to be created or destroyed\nAlso, so far most of the mutable properties of matter have been shown to be the result of changes in arrangement at a lower level, for example the changing properties of materials can usually be attributed to changes in how atoms are arranged into molecules, not changes in the atoms themselves. If matter changes its qualities by changing between elements, that represents a change in the arrangement of subatomic particles. We can't say whether or not the fundamental building blocks of reality are ever transformed or if they are only rearranged because we have not determined what those building blocks are, but precedent would indicate that only change in arrangement at every level of matter is plausible.\n>The conservation of energy is actually evidence that confirms biblical creation and was a biblically derived prediction. The bible says that God ceased creation at the end of the creation week and the bible says nothing comes to existence except by God creating it, so put those two together and it necessitates that all energy today has existed since the creation of the world."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nSecond greentext was a mistake"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>I'm arguing that the existence of matter is uncaused, not the state that it is currently in\nI'm aware, however that is precisely the mutability I was referring to. Matter changes. It does not make sense for a self-existent thing to change.\n>We observe matter to be transformed as the result of causes but we never observe it to be created or destroyed\nOf course we don't, we have not observed either the creation event or the end of all things. Why would you expect different?\nI don't think you realize it but you're actually reasoning in a circle here. You're looking at the fact that everywhere and every time we look there is no change in the quantity of matter, and reasoning out from that that therefore at all times and all places it holds as an absolute principle of reality, and even further out you reason that this principle is *so* absolute that it could not be superseded by an omnipotent God. Which means your argument presupposes that there is no such God, and that natural law and matter is the basic and exclusive principle of reality, which is exactly what you were supposed to be arguing for."}, {"id": 53, "content": "How could the self evident present itself without the reasoning mind? It would be as if you were handing food to an animal. Of course it will eat what it's senses and instincts dictate. Then this somehow discredits the purpose behind Christ crucified? Absurdist and time wasting. We can all see what is in front of us. You know what you have done. And you were forgiven for it through sacrifice. That is the good news, or the gospel. This is what was written.\n\n>>35\n>O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:\n1 Timothy 6:20\n\nReason and science are not the same thing. >>9 is dogmatic and replaces a faith they are called to for a faith they seek to create. It does not speak to the nature of God only the nature of the world. A weaker faith based on the mechanics of the universe and not the author who wrote the language used to describe it. Then the shallow assumption that this on its own is enough to explain eternity. While denying that we are called to explore the mysteries of God not to reject them."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>It does not make sense for a self-existent thing to change.\nWhy?\n>Of course we don't, we have not observed either the creation event or the end of all things.\nNo, but despite the fact that I haven't witnessed the beginning of end of the world, there are plenty of things that I have observed to be created and destroyed, unlike matter, and therefore I assume they are contingent.\n>You're looking at the fact that everywhere and every time we look there is no change in the quantity of matter, and reasoning out from that that therefore at all times and all places it holds as an absolute principle of reality\nI'll clarify my claim. The fact that the conservation of matter has held so far does not prove that it wasn't created. What it does prove is that matter would not have needed to be created. The creation of matter isn't logically necessary, but it is still possible (through miracles)\n>this principle is *so* absolute that it could not be superseded by an omnipotent God. Which means your argument presupposes that there is no such God\nI'm critiquing the cosmological argument, which tries to prove that the existence God as necessary to explain the universe which we observe. The entire point is that you don't have to start with God's existence, you only have to start with reason and observation and can prove God from there. I'm not treating the unreality of God a basic assumption, I'm treating his existence as something which needs to be proven before it can be used in argument. Finally I think it is entirely reasonable for me to extrapolate that the observed constancy of natural law extends indefinitely into the past and future until you can give me a reason to affirm the existence of a God that can or has changed those laws. Miracles are by definition exceptions to what we observe, so I won't believe in them as my starting point."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Why?\nHow would something that exists on its own change in any way?\n>unlike matter\nYou have observed immaterial things being created and destroyed?\n>What it does prove is that matter would not have needed to be created\nNo that's completely absurd. Either matter is created, or it is uncreated. In no scenario are both plausible, because if it is created then it could not exist without being created, and if it is uncreated then it exists without being created. Nor does conservation of energy remotely imply that matter is uncreated, it only implies it is not being created in the present. Please point out to me the inconsistency between the contingency of matter and the conservation of energy.\n>The creation of matter isn't logically necessary, but it is still possible (through miracles)\nLet's not pretend like what you are proposing does not absolutely exclude miracles.\n>I'm treating his existence as something which needs to be proven before it can be used in argument\nIf I can't use the existence of God in my argument I can't possibly make a coherent argument for the existence of God because that standard would require me to predicate my arguments on the premise that God does not exist. This is a distinction without a difference"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>>55\n>Finally I think it is entirely reasonable for me to extrapolate that the observed constancy of natural law extends indefinitely into the past and future\nI think that is distinctly unreasonable. First of all, it is incoherent as matter is defined most of all by the properties of spatiality and temporality, but \"eternal time\" is a contradiction in terms. Secondly, this extrapolation is based on the groundless, unproven presupposition of naturalism. I believe in natural laws but I believe they exist because of divine design. They are not some absolute quality of reality itself. On what basis do you believe natural law itself is not contingent? Finally, ironically naturalism cannot account for the existence of natural laws. Naturalism is essentially a primitive animistic belief that there's magic in the rocks, natural laws do not operate because of the activity of God in maintaining creation, \"they just do\". This seems obviously superstitious to me, and I have never heard nor can I conceive any means of justifying this belief."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>Miracles are by definition exceptions to what we observe, so I won't believe in them as my starting point.\nFor the one who does not believe, no evidence is possible. Those very same natural laws are proof of God's existence because He is their source. The only difference between a natural law and a miracle is that the former is the ordinary activity of God and the latter is extraordinary activity of God. Thus it is that the creation of the world was miraculous. This is common sense, but here you explicitly refuse to allow for it with no justification and no ability to justify it, it is an arbitrary bias. I will say this, while there are many rigorous intellectual proofs of God's existence there is a knowledge of God which precedes evidences. We look at creation and instantly recognize it as the handiwork of God, we do not *need* to deduce it, it is obvious. It is as obvious that God exists as it is that we exist. So I want to leave you with this: even if there were no evidence of the existence of God (which I think is a non sequitur) we would still be justified in believing in Him even in the absence of evidence because we are justified in believing in Him prior to evidence."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>matter is defined most of all by the properties of spatiality and temporality, but \"eternal time\" is a contradiction in terms\nI don't think I understand. Is it not coherent to say that something which exists within time can exist throughout all of time?\n>On what basis do you believe natural law itself is not contingent?\nThe only claim I've made about natural law is that it has always been observed to be consistent. The fact that it has been consistent is reason enough to extrapolate that it has been and will remain consistent unless there is contrary evidence.\nRegarding whether or not natural laws are contingent, I would put them in the same bucket as matter. They've never been observed to have a cause, so I have no reason to assume they need one. God may have caused them, but I do not see how he is necessary to explain their existence."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\n>The only difference between a natural law and a miracle is that the former is the ordinary activity of God and the latter is extraordinary activity of God.\nI think the attempt to judge what is or isn't \"extraordinary\" (and therefore, worthy of mention) is a sort of an act of hubris. It is the act of taking something that is exceptional for granted. The fact that anything exists, and that order exists - might be among the most important facts to consider, far moreso than incidental happenings, even if they are more apparently extraordinary. But the most important things, such as the immediate and continual experience of observing the universe itself, might quite inadvisedly be dismissed by some who are - shall we say - less interested in finding the truth, as merely being \"ordinary.\" Romans 1:20 says, \"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:\""}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nIn contradistinction from ordinary, the word extraordinary means \"atypical\"."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>54\n>Miracles are by definition exceptions to what we observe, so I won't believe in them as my starting point.\n\"Something instead of nothing\" is already an exception, and that's a starting point that requires the uncaused to explain it, I believe.\n\n>Finally I think it is entirely reasonable for me to extrapolate that the observed constancy of natural law\nAs mentioned, the constancy of natural law can't be caused by a universe that is changing according to those same laws. If it were, then it would be changing too, and if it were changing then it would no longer be something we would be describing in the manner that it is observed to be, which is constant. Whatever is causing the universe to follow the natural law can't be time-dependent, but the state of the universe is time-dependent. It is required therefore that some cause exists outside of it that is supernatural in origin. Whether that immediate cause is uncaused itself or whether it has more causes existing behind it, this shows that either way the stuff of the universe can't be the (necessary) existence which is uncaused.\n\nAnd an unmoved mover somewhere is necessary, for there has to be a cause for everything that isn't uncaused.\n\nThe reality to combine with this is that the overall state of the universe follows from the natural laws, because it follows those natural laws, but not vice versa."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>17\n>infinite being\nyou keep throwing around this meaningless term..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Now I am become stupid, the retard of worlds\nWhy was he so upset? Did he not know what he was doing?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was the equivalent of a bpd whore complaining about bombing her relationships on social media for pity viewership"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop making threads about this guy every day"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Don't you think that it would be profoundly affecting, taking this theory from paper, to the lab, and then finally seeing it actually work in the real world?\n\nAnd yeah clearly he had been thinking about what he was doing. I don't care how bigbrain or sensitive he was. He wasn't watching an atomic detonation and out of nowhere just like \"hey this reminds me of this one line from an ancient Indian epic poem about the terrible burden of making war that I've been reading by pure chance while developing nukes\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nHe was definitely planning on saying that exact phrase for months. There is zero chance it was spontaneous.\nHe was surely relieved after the nuclear test happened and he finally got his opportunity to say it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut he did nothing"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt hasn't fully sink in, and he tried to convey that.\nWas he being naive? Yeah maybe.\nHe actually fucking helped the world but was a bit of an overemotional faggot."}, {"id": 9, "content": "He was a godless communist kike."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>He actually fucking helped the world\nHe spared Enrico Fermi from spending all his day in meetings with politicians"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was naïve for trusting politicians. Politicians are some of the least trustworthy people in the world."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\n>Japmelter 3000\nlost"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">you said this was going to be a rice cooker\n>technically, yes"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScientists are very often naive retards who like doing their experiments and work and shit while not comprhending the outside ramifications of what they are doing. Generally speaking many of them are morally compromised and only care if they get paid and have security for themselves and possible close family members.\nTheres also the potential for the government to blackmail them into completing their work as well. I mean imagine a guy with the potential of building a nuclear bomb, the government asks you to work on their project, you say no thanks.\n\nOne thing id imagine will happen is your life is going to be destroyed until you comply because generally speaking the militaries of the world are utterly ruthless and dont take no for an answer while acting above the law."}, {"id": 16, "content": "I have become onions, drinker of beans"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's like post-nut clarity. Whatever you're flapping to seems hot in the moment, but as soon as you nut you see it in a different perspective"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the Book of Enoch not in the Bible"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because it is inauthentic and contradicts other parts of scripture, giving us a clue it wasn't inspired of God. It also does not seem to have been accepted in the prechristian Hebrew canon.\n\nIt is a good case study since it was still very important to second temple and new testament thought and was referenced in the Christian bible. I am of the opinion that the mount of transfiguration was Hebron and served as a reversal of the \"watchers\" story like the late Dr Michael Heiser suggested."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Because noone wanted to mess with established Jewish fairy tale canon after it took so long to compile and agree upon them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNone of that shit was inspired by god. Just a bunch of old jews huffing their own farts. Are you gonna believe a god is so all powerful he is disgusted by the sin of menstruating, which he created in the first place?\n\nFuck no, it's all bullshit. If anything is salvageable are the tales of Christ and take the rest of the new testament with a grain of salt."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThey literally quote the damn thing in the NT"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nAnd yet the majority of the new testament is Paul's fanfiction"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was never accepted in the Hebrew canon.\nEven in the DSS, it was never quoted as scripture."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nthat is a lie, in fact post-Temple rabbinic merkabah mystical traditions are almost entirely based on it, despite their professions to the contrary\n\nand fragments of the book in several languages ARE found among the DSS\n\n>>2\nbullshit, otherwise you would have already pointed out the supposed contradictions"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nThe book of Enoch was written way after the fact. It's a modern hoax"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThe entire DSS is an obvious Israeli state crafted forgery."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristcucks know how embarrassing it is, even more so than their normal shit, so they slide it under the rug. Christianity is just as mystical and faggy as any polytheistic religion at the time and they wanna hide that."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>i-it's a hoax t-trust me\n>what do you mean all the evidence proves it was written at the same time as the other piles of shit in the bible?? N-NO IT'S A HOAX I SWEAR AAAAA FUCKING LIBERALS"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThere is no evidence. In fact, many DSS have been outed as forgeries when tested outside of Israel."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">rabbinicalists will blindly trust this"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nModern Christian and Jewish scholars and theologians have slipped this idea that apocrypha is this secret history hidden from them, when the truth is both Catholics and Jews use many of these extra sources as references in their own commentaries. The biblical translators, some while sympathetic to Enoch's merit as a historical source from an author that was not Enoch, were worried about people believing it to be as Gospel. I believe Enoch has been promoted in the conspiracy world to lead Christians astray from what really happened in Genesis which the bible describes. People never want to accept what is given to them, but instead seek after \"forbidden\" knowledge just like the apple in Eden. The Bible even warns about Jewish fables in the New Testament."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's too based for mortal minds. And also it was not officially sanctioned by the Catholic church as undisputed Scripture."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\n>Because it is inauthentic\nI have bad news for you, Dirk..."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\n>contradicts other parts of scripture, giving us a clue it wasn't inspired of God\nLMAOOOOOOO"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nHe's right. It favors a modern Israeli nationalist sentiment in places and removes actual adopted lore in favor of it."}, {"id": 20, "content": "hey guys trust me on this one it's definitely a hoax, the Ethiopians just made it all up in the 1800s for kicks and for modern state of Israel\n\n>>19\nI can tell you have never read it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe evidence is on the first page ffs."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristcucks actually believe that sky jew divinely authored a bunch of books decided by committee for political reasons."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>5\nNot if you're a Syrian.\nBased Syrians rejected 2 Peter too."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nthen it should be pitifully easy to offer a single citation to support your assertion\n\nbut you won't because you never read it, you'll just parrot pastor Jim Bob's screed about how it don't real"}, {"id": 25, "content": "\"St. Jude refers to this book in his epistle. The early second century \"Epistle of Barnabas\" uses the Book of Enoch as well as the second and third Century Church Fathers like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origin and Clement of Alexandria. However, when the churches convened in 325 A.D. to compile the Holy Bible as we have it today; there was much discussion as to which scriptures and gospels to be included in the Holy Bible and which ones to be excluded. The Book of Enoch was disfavored because of its controversial statements on the nature and deeds of the fallen angels.\"\n\nthere we have it, even though the early Church used it, some of the content was too explosively implicative for the 4th century council\n\nEVEN THOUGH the codex Alexandrinus retains the explicit reading of Genesis 6 wherein it is made clear the angels of El came in unto the daughters of men, and that their immense scions wrought untold evils on the earth in those hoary days"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nBASED syrians"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>the angels of El came in unto the daughters of men, and that their immense scions wrought untold evils on the earth in those hoary days\nI never understood this because elsewhere we are told that their children were the heroes of old who did many great things in those early days."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nbruh why do you think God flooded the earth?\n\nThe text refers to Noah as being perfect in his generations, that means his bloodline was free of th11e taint of the fallen ones."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nThe part where it says the mountain of Yhwh is in Israel but the Bible in both testaments clearly refer to an otherworldly locale. That's a prime example right in the beginning."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\ndude that's not in the first chapter, could you please cite the chapter and verse you speak of?"}, {"id": 31, "content": "okay so skimming the text it seems like your issue is with Chapter 24 and 25, right?\n\n\"1 And from thence I went to another place of the earth, and he showed me a mountain range of 2 fire which burnt day and night. And I went beyond it and saw seven magnificent mountains all differing each from the other, and the stones (thereof) were magnificent and beautiful, magnificent as a whole, of glorious appearance and fair exterior: three towards the east, one founded on the other, and three towards the south, one upon the other, and deep rough ravines, no one of which 3 joined with any other. And the seventh mountain was in the midst of these, and it excelled them 4 in height, resembling the seat of a throne: and fragrant trees encircled the throne. And amongst them was a tree such as I had never yet smelt, neither was any amongst them nor were others like it: it had a fragrance beyond all fragrance, and its leaves and blooms and wood wither not for ever: 5 and its fruit is beautiful, and its fruit n resembles the dates of a palm. Then I said: 'How beautiful is this tree, and fragrant, and its leaves are fair, and its blooms very delightful in appearance.' 6 Then answered Michael, ...\"\n\n\" 1 And he said unto me: 'Enoch, why dost thou ask me regarding the fragrance of the tree, 2 and why dost thou wish to learn the truth?' Then I answered him saying: 'I wish to 3 know about everything, but especially about this tree.' And he answered saying: 'This high mountain which thou hast seen, whose summit is like the throne of God, is His throne, where the Holy Great One, the Lord of Glory, the Eternal King, will sit, when He shall come down to visit 4 the earth with goodness. And as for this fragrant tree no mortal is permitted to touch it till the great judgement, when He shall take vengeance on all and bring (everything) to its consummation 5 for ever. It shall then be given to the righteous and holy. Its fruit shall be for food to the elect: ...\""}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>>31\nwell I'll admit to not knowing exactly what you mean by the Mountain of the Lord, but this passage from Enoch seems to square more or less flawlessly with Isaiah 2:2\n\n2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.\n\n3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.\n\n4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.\n\n\nif you would be so kind as to elaborate with textual references beyond my own precisely what you mean by that, I would be very appreciative"}, {"id": 33, "content": "It’s simple as. It’s not an inspired Scripture of God."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncause Enoch was so based that God translated him into heaven. clearly God thought anything to do with Enoch was better with Him than on earth."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nHow did the guys who curated the Bible figure this out?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>23\n>>26\nI'll never understand this site's infatuation with Syrian."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>2\nA non-disordered post from Dirk. Maybe the first I've ever seen."}, {"id": 38, "content": "its existence makes the bible so much more interesting"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would the Germans have conquered the world if they had converted to Islam rather than Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam and Christianity are variants of judaism and so similar the chinese could not tell them apart unless you sat down to explain the nuances to them"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVGH"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhy should we care if the chinese don't understand something?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>religion is an instrument of my worldly expansionist aims\nMore like Retardolf Hitler"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIts the same religion"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was right, christcucks are psuedojews"}, {"id": 8, "content": "If you count anglos as Germanics they basically did conquer the world."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nNo shit, Islam and Christianity are just glorified Jewish heresies"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile I have a deep sympathy and reverence for Islam, I completely disagree. I think that Hitler himself proved that Christianity wasn't holding the Germans back at all.\nThis is especially true since Hitler speaks of \"Germanic races\" in particular and considered the Anglos, French, and Americans to all be German or Germanized to a greater or lesser extent. The confluence of these empires' greatest extent was in 1942 and encompassed probably half of the globe. It was also actively committing multiple genocides through various war crimes around the globe, concentrated most heavily in Germany itself.\nWhen you are literally murdering millions of people as quickly as possible, how much more bloodthirsty can your people get? You are at peak blood-thirst, my guy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nYes. Sikhism too, actually."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall hitler had to do to end the war was invade spain and portugal england would have been cut off from raw materials he told his generals he didnt want to widen the war they told him not to put political gambling ahead of battlefield realities he refused to invade an ally odd thinking from somebody who supposedly wanted to conquer the earth"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni feel like every time someone from the west claimed to like islam from about the 1700s to the 1950s, it was because they didnt understand it that well since nobody in the west really did, and all they did was admire things that they personally thought were cool or noble because of their surface level observations\n\na good example of this is napoleon, who also respected muhammad, and it seemed to be for the exact same reason as hitler: he was one of the best warlords ever, thus islam must be like some kind of variant of christianity with a +10 bonus to the warrior culture stat, thats really based and redpilled especially for me because i plan to do some war. or voltaire acting like muslims are more devout than christians because they do the repeated, ritualized prayers and shit while he seethes bitterly at the much more tame and passive christians of his own land. if that wimpy french nerd was born in a muslim country he would have spent his life seething about them until they stoned him"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>all hitler had to do to end the war was invade spain and portugal\nYeah, because that worked out so well for Napoleon."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\neven churchhill was terrified of this"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nI wouldn't cite Churchill as some great authority on strategy. He was a charismatic leader and brilliant at rallying his people but his proclivity for strategic blunders was prodigious."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nLiterally insane. Keeping Spain (and Portugal) out of the war as friendly states was Hitler's greatest strategic success. He was able to get the resources of Iberia without having to guard its coastline. They were already deeply overstretched. Imagine having to defend Iberia from all sides of potential landings.\nPortugal is a modest country that could not offer much support in the war and would immediately lose its colonies (and the resources therein).\nSpain had just suffered a civil war and was unable to provide much support. It would actually need Germany's assistance to be defensible.\nEven in the best case, Spain and Portugal only modestly delay the Allied victory. It is more likely that they speed it up."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nI'm sure he was shitting his pants about everything when it was 1941 and it looked like he would lose. Realistically, nations like Turkey would have been far more beneficial allies than Spain or Portugal."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nengland had 1 foot in the grave cutting them off from the med would have doomed them at that point"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nhe was not in any way about to lose in1941 im talking summer 1940 when england has been chased off the continent twice in a month"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\n>all hitler had to do to end the war was backstab their once ally, invade their mountainous, hilly country perfect for guerilla warfare teeming with experienced vets of one of the most brutal wars pre-WW2"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nThat's if you cut them off and if you even manage to reach Gibraltar and if it even matters. Italy was one of the strongest middle Med powers (in terms of naval tonnage) and they could not bring their power to bear."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe whole world would declare war on him that or his people become hedonistic boy fuckers.\nIslam is an expansionist war culture that degenerate if its expansion stagnant."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\n>so similar the chinese could not tell them apart unless you sat down to explain the nuances to them\nIs this a reference to something in particular?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nThats not true. The Tang persecuted Christians but left muslims alone during their foreign religion purge"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>looks at the ottoman empire\nyou tell me."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>13\nNapoleon \"respected muhhamad\" because he was very fond of the roman empire, you can see that in his legislative policy, military prowess, and most important of all, religious tolerance:\n\nThe peoples we will be living alongside are Muslims; their first article of faith is \"There is no other god but God, and Mahomet is his prophet\". Do not contradict them; treat them as you treated the Jews, the Italians; respect their muftis and their imams, as you respected their rabbis and bishops. Have the same tolerance for the ceremonies prescribed by the Quran, for their mosques, as you had for the convents, for the synagogues, for the religion of Moses and that of Jesus Christ. The Roman legions used to protect all religions. You will here find different customs to those of Europe, you must get accustomed to them. The people among whom we are going treat women differently to us; but in every country whoever violates one is a monster. Pillaging only enriches a small number of men; it dishonours us, it destroys our resources; it makes enemies of the people who it is in our interest to have as our friends. The first city we will encounter was built by Alexander [the Great]. We shall find at every step great remains worthy of exciting French emulation."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>13\nFor too long the beys who govern Egypt have insulted the French nation and covered their traders in slanders. The hour of their punishment has come. For too long this horde of slaves, bought in the Caucasus and Georgia, have tyrannised the most beautiful part of the world; but God, on whom all depends, has ordained that their empire shall end. People of Egypt, they have told you that I come to destroy your religion, but do not believe it; [tell them] in reply [that] I come to restore your rights, punish the usurpers and that I respect God, his prophet and the Quran more than the Mamluks. Tell them that all men are equal before God; wisdom, talents, virtues are the only things to make one man different from another... Is there a more beautiful land? It belongs to the Mamluks. If Egypt is their farm, then they should show the lease that God gave them for it... Cadis, cheiks, imans, tchorbadjis, and notables of the nation [I ask you to] tell the people that we are true friends of Muslims. Wasn't it us who destroyed the Knights of Malta? Wasn't it us who destroyed the Pope who used to say that he had a duty to make war on Muslims? Wasn't it us who have at all times been friends to the Great Lord and enemies to his enemies? ... Thrice happy are those who will be with us! They shall prosper in their fortune and in their rank. Happy are those who will be neutral! They will get to know us over time, and join their ranks with ours. But unhappy, thrice unhappy, are those who shall arm themselves [to fight] for the Mamluks and who shall fight against us! There shall be no hope for them, they shall perish.\n\nThere was also a need to convince the egyptians to fight against the ottomans, a british ally"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nThe ottoman empire wouldn't have conquered anyone, or wouldn't exist rather, without islam"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Based"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Based Egyptians"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why don't they show them as Soldier Gigachads that annihilated them in the 6 days war kek"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHow did they do it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>jews did not build the pyr- ACK!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nJews have more wypipo dna than brownoids.Hate against Israel isn't just a religious thing because Araps don't care about Uyghurs and Kashmiris like how they care about Israel. They hate Israel because its the eternal reminder that wypipo are superior to them and legacy of colonialism lives on. They wouldn't even care if the Israelis were Araps or other kind of raghead like that."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. Death to the Zionist scum! Drag these filthy colonizers kicking and screaming out of Palestine!\n\n>>3\nJews aren’t gigachads.\n\nThey’re a weak, sickly, inbred, neurotic race.\n\n>>4\nBecause America and Britain gave them support as a colonial project to spread terror in the region.\n\nAs an American I am ashamed! Only vote for non zionist candidates. Cut funding to Israeli terrorist scum!!!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmaybe someone from /egy/ wrote it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nNo, they hate you because you stole their land. Your pilpul won’t work here. This is not a based heckin whypipo vs browns things."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nCope you chink subhuman lol. They just hate wypipo and it makes them seethe that Wypipo are still btfo'ing them."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nKikes aren't white."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>6\nthis person is a Jew who tries to get whites to hate brown people"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nJews are not white, they see themselves as outsiders to the white race and work to undermine whites.\n\nSorry, you’re not going to pivot Zionism to being a white pride thing when Jews actually want to genocide white people."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nBrown ragheads mad lmao. You will always be a shitskin."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIt doesn't matter what Jews do or don't want. They are infinitely whiter than Araps and your chink ass. This breeds inferiority complex amongst non-whites."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nGod, it’s so disgusting how hateful, spiteful, and neurotic these subhumans are.\n\nI honestly feel so bad for Arabs and Palestinians having to deal with these hateful animals on their land.\n\nLiteral jihadis are less spiteful than these rats."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>>16\nAre they all Israelians?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThey have access to Israeli citizenship because the tribe will always accept its own.\n\nOpen borders and white genocide in Europe while Israel kicks the hornets nest and sends more refugees over. How convenient."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>>18\nYou can have all the based Muslims you want! Whats wrong with that? Do you hate brown people or something?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nI see you've never voted"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCriticizing zionism is not anti-semetic, just like being anti globalist is not either. Why are jews like Lazar Berman so subversive and underhandedly sneaky?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nNo I only hate black people and Jews desu. I want the browns to have their land back and not be displaced by a terrorist state.\n\n>>20\nI’d literally vote for a liberal democrat as long as they promised to defund Israel and condemn their humans rights violations.\n\nJews have ruined the west, like Sampson we need to pull down the entire temple as we fall and take out Israel as vengeance."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\n>Because America and Britain gave them support as a colonial project to spread terror in the region.\nbut why would they do that?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nJihadis would have a less harmful effect on our society if they replaced all the kikes.\nI'd rather have random explosions going off than one more child drag show."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\ni could annihilate a country too if america subsidized me"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\njews are not white though"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nbecause their politicians are bought and paid for by Zionists.\nIsrael owns the US Congress, this has been officially confirmed by US President Donald Trump."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nSo America lowered the IQ of Arab generals and made them inbred? Holy shit.\n>>26\nWhiter than the third worlders that whine about them including the namefag chink in the thread.White enough to be needing a star for seperate identification."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\ndepends on what their interest are at the time for instance this photo theres only 1 nonjew standing behind roosevelt they are \"white\" in this instance because it serves jewish interesrts"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Egyptians. They not only name the Jew, but are also raping Netflix for making Cleopatra a nigress."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nyou do realize america gives israel enough money and weapons each year to arm every man woman and child and pay them 25,000 dollars right?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\n>Criticizing zionism is not anti-semetic\nOnly dumb people who don't know anything about Jews and Judaism say that.\n\nAnti-Zionism IS anti-Jewish, because Zionism is simply the fulfillment of Judaism."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/pol/'s influence on the real world is scary sometimes..."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nDoes that include the weapons they use to make Arabs retarded. Arab losses had less to do with material inferiority than their own incompetence and brownoid iq. Remember when Arabs were supported by a superpower called USSR and they still messed up depsite having everything in their favour?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nbut the US army was defeated by \"retarded\" arabs using scooby doo tactics.... if the idf wasnt a pack of parasites who do nothing but shot kids for not being jews american jews and israel wouldnt be trying to force the dumb goyim to invade iran like iraq"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>but the US army was defeated by \"retarded\" arabs using scooby doo tactics\nAfghans aren't Arabs you retarded Amerimutt and its a completely different affair than Israel. You aren't occupying a country with people with limited iq and questionable allegiance that would join sides with the invaders."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>Muh Iran\nThe same country that keeps having their top scientists and generals assassinated?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nisrael couldnt defeat iran if they could they wouldnt spam the goyim to do it for them"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>13\nyou're a fucking gook LMFAOOOO you will literally never be white to accept by whites why are you regurgitating slogans from people who see you as part of the \"shitskin rabble\""}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nOfcourse Israel can't defeat Iran because it's a huge ass country that's hard to invade but Jews can keep fucking with it all they want.What will they do? Blow up their planes?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nyes the mosssas is good at killing people but when they get caught and executed in some country americans are told it was innocent jews and we should be outraged"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nLearn to type in English you dumb esl Araboid. Learn your place and look at the place you are. Jews are more European than you will ever be so just accept your place like niggers and stop trying to bait Europeans into declaring a war on behest of your Durka shitholes. You know what will happen if Israel falls? Nothing but history and with other set of white people."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nyes my point exactly AIPAC and their puppets want to use american blood to do it just like dual citizen jews like paul wolfowitz did with iraq"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nThe golem you created has turned on you…. Ironic….."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\njews arent white jews are a wart on the nose of humanity im betting your a kike yourself"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nWe dont even need Amerimutts. Iran will always remain and shithole to be conquered by people whiter than them as have always happened in history."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">Jews are white!\n>insult white people in Europe\n>nothing happens\n>insult Jews in Europe\n>go to prison\n\nOk then Moshe"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nSo colonisation is only bad when Jews do it. Any jew,any day is more whiter than you Mohammad so telling people who is and isn't white. Back to your goatshed now!"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nyes thats why jews keep spamming iran bad war with iran to the dumb goyim"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>>insult Jews in Europe\n>>go to prison\nNever happened"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nWhy does your esl ass worry so much about Americans you raghead shitskin? Mind your own business and keep munching on the gibs if you really are some brownoid from Cairo. You don't want to starve do you?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nlol its not colonizing when you are subsidized by another country you rat faced parasite israel couldnt stand on its own for even a decade without america being its personal atm"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\nColonization is bad when we have to pay for it and it results in more people being displaced to Europe"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\nim white and live in america you fucking oven dodger"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nexactly because asking jews to stay in israel and leave everyone alone is like grabbing a handful of fleas off a cat and asking them to feed of each other and leave the cat alone"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\ni hate you as much as you hate me hitler was right kill every jew you can get ahold of"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\n>>53\nColonisation is colonisation. There is nothing bad or good about it or the way you do it. The whites weren't any more moral to colonise and destroy other peoples.\n>>54\n>Im white\nVery poor attempt Mohammad. The American definition of white doesn't count."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>Muh Euro daddies will see you! M-muh Shitler!\nLittle brownoids last cope lol"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>34\nThe USSR was a nation created by Jews, their support for pan-arab antimperialism was lukewarm at best\n\n>>56\nBased\n\n>>57\n>whataboutism\n\nIs this the famed Jewish verbal IQ I’ve heard so much about? The age of colonization is over anyway."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nwhites did it themselves they didnt have some other place giving them unlimited supplies id throw a bar of soap at you but im not involving your grandma shitstein in this conversation"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>The USSR was a nation created by Jews, their support for pan-arab antimperialism was lukewarm at best\nLol this is horrendous levels of cope and retardation. Egyptians whined like babies and were suckled off the Russian breasts. It's well documented how Egyptians tried to blackmail Russians for military support.\n>Is this the famed Jewish verbal IQ I’ve heard so much about? The age of colonization is over anyway.\nYou are the one that siad white people colonisation was good. I never said colonisation is good or bad. It just is."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\ntrust me mr kinenstein i come from same area hitler came from and i really admire his work although id go for the roman tactics of hanging kikes on ice cream sticks"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nDoesnt matter. Whats \"wrong\" is wrong? Also nice joke but that wouldn't bring back Nazis trannies or your daddy Hitler back to life.\n>>62\nWoah so scary. When are you coming out dude? Are you sure you should go out so much when there are so much based Arabs around or are you one of them kek"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nyoud know about suckling wouldnt you did u enjpy your rabbi using your foreskin as bubblegum"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\ni agree kek KILL EVERY KIKE"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nYour ESLness is showing Abdul. It doesn't come off as funny when goatfuckers try their hand at English."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nThanks for admitting your brown Mohammad. Now go get a job and stop leeching off welfare."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>63\nmore kike projection........a german jew came up with tranny shit"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>61\nWhere did I say colonization was good you Jewish rat?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nfight your own wars and stop leeching off goyim"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>your\nyou're\nYou shouldn't criticize anyone for being ESL, retarded Jew."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\n>>69\n>>70\n>>71\nKeep crying lmao. Just two more weeks till Allah is le real?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nhes outed himself as a disgusting stinky jew god damn what a thrill it must have been to be in the einsatzgruppen and shoot 100 of these worms at a time"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nSlit your fucking throat and eat shit in hell.\nDamn Elohim\nDamn Jacob\nDamn Jesus\nDamn Muhammad\nDamn Ali\nDamn Jacob\nDamn Moses\nBut most of all damn you.\nI'd gouge out your fucking eyes, insufferable faggot.\nShut the fuck up."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\ni worship no sky spook whether it be for jews or muslims"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nYou aren't German mutt. Stop using german language."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\njews are the lowest of all races worse than anything theyve been hated since time began"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nRight, which is why it doesn't make sense for Abrahamism to grow so much. I don't want anything to do with their damn mythology."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nlisten here kike my last name is from bavaria my ancestors used yours for fertilizer"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\njesus was a dead jew on a popsicle stick and the bible is nothing but a collection of short stories about jewish nationalism"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nSure thing Amerimutt. Also will you not tell us how \"your\" glorious ancestors didn't get turned into fertilizers on the eastern front. I don't know why am I even brothering with some rootless Amerimutt but even Germans shouldnt talk big when they cant even handle few POCs in their country kek"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>6\nThey seethe about kuds just as much tho and they don't even have a country"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nkurds*"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nThe seethe against Kurds ain't universal and only present in the countries they inhabit as separationists. No Egyptian or Gulf Arab gives a shit about kurds as much Israel makes them cry to their sleeps."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\nBuddhism is one of the few extant traditions that makes a lot sense. It also has Aryan origin."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>81\nmore kike projection.....israel deports 50,000 blacks a year"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nBuddhism is the most sjw religion on planet and Buddha was a brown guy from Eastern India/Southern Nepal. Inb4 he was le Aryan scythian"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nsounds better than one that says were chosen and nonjews are dogshit"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nThe point is anyone can become a awakened Buddha. A white or brown Sri Lankan Buddha have both awakened to their immaculate original natures. All sentient beings have this original nature, but few awaken to it. Clouds of delusions merely obscure its luminous rays.\nMuch better than Kikery with its endless \"chosen people\" crap. At least Buddhism encourages compassion, contemplation, and centeredness.\nAlso, Ludwig Klages was a pratyekabuddha, and you want to know what Klages had to say on the Jews?:\n\n\"To the Jew, everything human is a sham. One might even say that the Jewish face is nothing but a mask. The Jew is not a liar: he is the lie itself. From this vantage point, we can say that the Jew is not a man. … He lives the pseudo-life of a ghoul whose fortunes are linked to Yahweh-Moloch. He employs deception as the weapon with which he will exterminate mankind. The Jew is the very incarnation of the unearthly power of destruction.\"\n-- Ludwig Klages"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nTell me how you dont know shit about Buddhism. It is explicitly stated in the early buddhist texts that only a Kshatriya or a Brahmin can become a Bodhisattva. You don't get to become any of these after conversion to Buddhism or Hinduism but the lowest of castes.Maybe don't listen to larpers and adopt religions based on who you hate. Religions just aren't for you"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nI was a Soto Zen Buddhist years for many years, retarded cunt.\nI'm getting sick and tired of you. I recognize you on /lit/ and /his/, constantly spreading philosemitic shit and calling for more war in the Middle East. Genuinely slit your throat, memelord and edgelord faggot. I'm getting sick and tired of your shit.\nI've read way more sutras than you. Since I am Mahayana, I focus on Mahayana sutras moreso than Pali canon.\nAnyone can convert to Buddhism, but certain sects are better for lag practitioners."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nYou will never be a Bodhisattva."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>87\n>social justice\n>Buddhism\nI can't even. You know, it's really funny cause I was reading Mahayana sutras earlier this evening and thought to myself, how raw and radical this stuff is. And I hope you know 'a brown guy anything' is a nowadays concept - I doubt Buddha ever saw a man with fair skin in his life. I bet he was more preoccupied with the slowly rotting corpse of Vedic tradition than thinking about races and haplogroups."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nStfu, icchantika kike."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>90\n>early Buddhist texts\n>bodhisattva\n\nAsk me how I know you have no idea what you’re talking about.\n\nStick to putting your sins on a goat and sacrificing it lmao, you’re too stupid to understand a real spiritual tradition."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "/his/ thoughts on the legend ben Franklin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>loves freedom\n>loves hookers\n>hates the british\n\nI’m thinking based"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe btfo swarthoids and tawny subhumans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>loved America as an experiment\n>didn't give a fuck if it succeeded\n>loved cougars and MILFs\n>fucked French hookers all day\n>didn't even try to justify his shitty behavior in his own memoirs\nHe was the irl Ugly Bastard but a fun character"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s amazing to me how the founding fathers were some of the greatest political philosophers in history, at the same time as each other\nAnd America’s produced no one of comparable merit since 1900 really."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>fucked French hookers all day\nUrgh... The smell"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>FDR"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThis is what happens when you mix with lower species like french"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nAnd they weren't just your average french hookers mind you, they were upper crust french hookers"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>>hates the british\nnot originally though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nfrench rhymes with stench"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>last name Franklin\n>fucks frankish women"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "& humanities"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn 2040 the republican platform will be Democrats are the TRUE transphobes"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Middle panel near the window"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nyou mean 2024\nfox news uses fake pronouns when reporting on trannies"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don’t get it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThey fired far and away their most popular host. They committed suicide, just like a tranny."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nTucker was their top moneymaker. Stonetoss often forgets to post needed context."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nsussy baka amogus"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nmeds"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnother garbage drawing from garbagetoss. Next\n>>3\nSPBP"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nno u"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nchecking dis quads"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nthanks friend"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nwhere's the amogus"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lose 700 million dollars because your hosts are grifting demagogues who openly promulgate stories that they know are bullshit\nI wonder why Fox fired Tucker. It doesn't really make sense to me."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWasn't Cucker Carlson one of the few ones that, every once in a while, would question the MAGAnigger \"election fraud\" fantasies? and why is Hannity still at Fox, when he was a much louder voice in the bullshit (or so I've been told)?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>15\nI thought the reason Tucker was fired was because of the Dominion voting lawsuit"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nSink in third panel"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nKinda sounds like people don't actually know what Tucker talks about, just that he's bad."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nnobody really knows tbqh, not yet"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nThe election was stolen\nBiden is illegitimate and we don’t have to follow his laws\nGet over it"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nYes\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/tucker-carlson-sidney-powell-fraud/"}, {"id": 23, "content": "he was fired because he cost them almost a billion dollars in a lawsuit not troons"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nNo"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nNo he wasn't buying that story back then, even cnn when commenting on it said it couldn't have been that. Most likely it has something to do with him going off the rails he was meant to run."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon fired on the exact same day for virtually identical reasons relating to their off-screen behavior towards staff\n\nI can't be the only one to notice..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a religion or mythology which has a loli goddess?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Kill yourself"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I know one religion that has them but I don't want to fuel your coomer ass."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI'm looking to convert"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLalita\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripura_Sundari"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Worship of drawings is a recent thing, so no"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\natheism\nIn the name of the Fedora, the Katana and the Funko Pop"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam gives you 72 lolis if you die in battle"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. I, for one, welcome our new loli goddesses."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYup. Google \"goddess Kumari\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholicism w/ the Virgin Mary"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nUh, orthobros…"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMake your own."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkys"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nthat's a mommy goddess"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nam sure hinduism got a load of them for ya"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nStop using weak narrations retard cuck"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why cant I find any sources on the reaction of the islamic world of the Buyid subjugation of the Abbasids. The Abbasids were in steep decline for half a century at point but they were still powerful and could maintain the illusion of powerful Caliph. The subjugation of the caliphate seems like such a definitive moment in islamic history. It damaged the instution of the caliphate but very few people seem to talk about it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>illusion of powerful Caliph\nShattered long ago by a revolt of literal bucks near Basra"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThey actually came back from that and had a short recovery lasting a few decades"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI meant to ask, so I will just piggyback.\nThere used to be large in Iran during antiquity, but it just dried?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nA what? A lake?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nyes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhat was the lake called?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-e_Kavir\n\nseasonal marshes at best"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>seasonal marshes\nthats cool"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Dirk slandered?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI never see Dirk slandered here except by the JW posters. Even the Catholics/Orthodox have grown to respect him (for the most part)"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Any Christcuck or religiontard polluting this bored should be burned on a stake."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll namefags and trannies need to fuck off either to reddi.t or /soc/ and stop shitting up /his/. You faggots are beyond fucking annoying."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Any Christcuck or religiontard polluting this bored should be burned on a stake."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>only atheists tell me to fuck off\nNice damage control you spamming tranny."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nOh yeah because haplotard threads are so much better."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what the fuck?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "yeah, fuck the federal government they are not legitimate"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense I tell you that the National Socialist movement will go on for 1,000 years! ... Don't forget how people laughed at me 15 years ago when I declared that one day I would govern Germany. They laugh now, just as foolishly, when I declare that I shall remain in power!\n\n>ended 12 years later"}, {"id": 2, "content": "hey siri, how many hours are in a year?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "why dis nigga waring dis faggot socks shieeetttt"}, {"id": 4, "content": "12 years not a slave"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI FOUGHT THE LAW\nAND THE LAW WON"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho say's the movement's dead? Or even if it functionally is, who says it won't return?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">members of the Wiccan religion define Christianity as a \"reactionary\" religion that steals pagan traditions\n\n>Wicca was literally created by white racists and steals ideas from other religions to mix them\n\nLol. Why is Wicca such a hypocritical religion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Anything pagan if not from some third world country is just trailer trash larpers getting around to do drugs."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nneopaganism in Greece and the Middle East is serious though. the problem is northern European neo-paganism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNeo-paganism is a joke everywhere.Just bunch of Atheists wanting to stick to the kikes. Nothing sincere about their faith."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe perfect pagan ideas and transcend people to greater heights. For the good ideas were never pagan at all, but dreams sent by the true God as a preparation for the Gospel. Some cultures were more ready than others.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGwUpsyDJTk [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nkeep repeating that to yourself"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I have returned once again to post my ugly mug and ask haplofags which phenotype I am. Tell me.\n>& Humanities"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Incel phenotype but still mogs me"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Slav(e) born to serve his turkish massa phenotype."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>>/r9k/"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mišar\nu mad, roach?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBird lipped tranny"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou look like a young version of sean hannity"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWere you that doctor ?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nKek"}, {"id": 10, "content": "neo danubian"}, {"id": 11, "content": "You could pass in Ireland.\n\nT. Irish. But your eyebrows are exotic."}, {"id": 12, "content": "You look a bit like David Boreanaz."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n100% pure tucker carlson"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nE1b1, I can see it clearly in your eyes."}, {"id": 15, "content": "what phenotype is this"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere are you from, geographically?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no way to truly tell without a DNA test."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm no expert... I will just say you're no Aryan Scandinavian, nor a dark, ultra hairy Mediterranean."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nNorthern Italian or Balkanoid"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n100% Gotho-Slavo-Illyrian"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou look like the average American"}, {"id": 22, "content": "You have what I call the the NPC nose\n\nYour nose is a good indicator of your character\n\nI myself have a protagonists nose it has form and shape and beauty"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFag."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nAlso as you can tell I am literally descended from knights"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMogged be I1"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nIs this person I1 or is OP I1?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\naren't you famous on that crazy little wojack website or whatever?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me why a chukudu would be technologically impossible to make with 12-13 century tech.\n\nI literally don't see a single thing here that can't be made with roman empire era tech."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's a retarded design. How it is better than a cart?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nyou can ride it down a hill."}, {"id": 4, "content": "What the fuck is that"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\na chukudu.\n\nbasically an african scooter."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nso this is the power of an 80 average iq society"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nyeah. isn't it amazing they making modern shit with wood?\n\nthis is like a middle ages society copying modern shit."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">by faith ALONE"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIronically, the only time \"faith alone\" is mentioned in scripture, it's in the negative.\n>So you see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.-James 2:24\nLuther was so dismayed by this that he first attempted to take the Epistle of James OUT of his translations. It was his friend Philip Melanchthon who prevented him from going full retard, but Luther from then on (echoing Aquinas' words on another matter) called James an \"epistle of straw\". Instead of repenting and rethinking his faulty system, he thought he could be judge of holy scripture."}, {"id": 3, "content": "luther destabilized Europe in his time AND his ideas started the chain of events that eventually lead to ww1 over the course of the centuries.\nliterally one of the most influential people ever born."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nChristianity makes no sense if you hold the perspective that justification is based on works."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHe also invented Nazi Germany and directly caused the gassing of 6 million jews."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt's faith and works. Neither alone. Orthodox and Catholics never diminished faith. In fact, they elevate it's true life changing power. Nor Methodists, for that matter. So it's not all Protestants that are at fault."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt's faith alone. Works follow faith and any claim that it doesn't automatically diminishes faith."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nFaith produces works, you judge a tree by its fruits. And a tree that produces no fruit is worthless. So yes, salvation is dependent on faith which produces works, or doing good deeds. Faith without works is like a tree that produces no fruit, and works without faith is equally worthless because the rewards for the works are already given out in life. This is why Jesus told us to do good in secret and not proudly display them by boasting, so that our Father in Heaven may reward us openly. I think the mistake that Catholics make is that works is only accomplished by participating in the Church."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>And a tree that produces no fruit is worthless\nHow much fruit does a tree need to produce for it to be deemed worthy? How sweet must the fruit be?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nAre you going to argue with apostolic teaching too? This is the irony of Luther. He rebelled against popes, but then makes himself greater than popes, councils, and ultimately, even apostles.\nFaith - true faith in Christ - not mere theism or even human assertion of Christ's existence - causes one to be baptized with fire. It is being reborn from above (John 3:3), ignited by the Spirit of God, and having an entirely new perspective on life.\nYou can't separate works and faith. You can't believe in Jesus and ignore everything he said. Then that would not be actually believing in Jesus. Merely asserting an idea like monotheism isn't worth all that much either:\n>You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!-James 2:19\nNot even Paul, who is roped in by Protestants as supporting Luther, agrees with him. Paul seperated morals from the LAW. The Torah. His distinction between faith and the law was about those \"works\" that seperated Jews and Gentiles. These he taught were useless the Church. Things like circumcision were no longer relevant. But he never ceased to appeal to morality and encouraging his readers to good service. He likened the Christian life to an athlete.\n\n>Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.-1 Cor 9:24-27\nThis is the mark of a bonafide saint compared to some random Joe who merely has \"beliefs\". If this was Buddhism, he'd be a Shaolin monk. To his Hellenstic readers, it was an Olympian. Not some gluttonous chump like Luther. Associating the two is an insult."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWhy did you write over 300 words without answering my question?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>9\n>>8\n>>7\n>>6\n>>5\n>>4\n>>3\n>>2\nEphesians 2:8-9 \"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>no reading comprehension"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWtf is that image? ML was still very much a Catholic at the time of the 95 theses."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nThat means jesus' ideas also started the chain"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nBecause you insist on the \"alone\" qualifier. You can't let go of it, even when I just said earlier that the ONLY time it is even mentioned in scripture is in the negative. It is purely out of Luther's behind. It is faith and works. Faith producing works, if you will. I understand that we basically agree, but get rid of the Lutheran copout."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Prove justification is not by faith alone"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>So you see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.-James 2:24"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead the 120 volumes of martin luther writings, the weimar edition in german.\n\nNOW FUCK OFF"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nEphesians 2:8-9 \"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.\""}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\nLuther hated judaic jews. Hitler and the nazis hated christianity including Luther in germany and saw paganism as the ideal goal for germany"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>I understand that we basically agree\nProbably, except you can't just accept that it's faith alone and always have to insert a \"BUT\" at the end. I remember reading some Catholic writings on the matter and it basically agreed with Luther but with extra words, twists and turns."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>So you see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.-James 2:24"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nSynthesize that with Romans 5:1 and 3:28, Galatians 3:24 etc"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nMartin Luther enjoyed ingesting shit"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nHitler was an agnostic deist and actively persecuted the “superstitious” volkitsch movement. Also the Nazi movement had its base forst and foremost in the protestant parts of the country."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>12\nAnd faith is not mere \"belief\". It is placing a real stake in something in a far more pervasive way. Any good works that follow are still the gift of God. We can do nothing but through Christ. The same writer of Ephesians that you're quoting warned us of carrying on wickedness as a so called Christian.\n>No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.-1 Cor 6:8-10\nHe is saying this to the very Corinthians he built a church for. Not outsiders. The wider context that sparked it is various upsetting details he heard about them while away. Especially a member who was sleeping with his stepmother (whom he said needed to purged with fire)."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>The Nazi movement made use of Luther's writings\n>Nazis sought an Aryan origin theory of the Germanic people\n>Modern indians have a poo fixation\n>Martin Luther had a poo fixation\nCould it be...? The missing link we've needed..!?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nEphesians 2:8-9 \"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.\""}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nthe truth is out there...."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.\n\nFaith doesn't produce works. The works are what manifest the faith, else there would've been zero point for God to test Abraham."}, {"id": 33, "content": "Here's another way to put it:\nWhen Jesus first came across Matthew the tax collector, and simply said \"Follow me\", that was a free invitation to God's grace. Matthew certainly didn't do anything to deserve it, but it could have gone two different ways after that point.\nMatthew didn't merely say to himself, \"Golly gee, what a nice guy. I'm glad he likes me enough to give an invite.\" No, he probably looked around at all he had, his money from cheating his brothers, that slutty woman spending nights with him, the late parties into the night.. and then looked back at Jesus.. and against all his previous \"common sense\" got up and left with him. A true leap of faith. HE THREW EVERYTHING AWAY. Not only that, but paid the ultimate price. Both tradition and even the Talmud state he was executed for speaking out against a leader in Ethiopia."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>12\nRead the next verse.\n\nEphesians 2:10\n>For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them.\n\nYou are the workmanship of Christ and commanded to walk in good works, not just faith alone."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\nHow do you avoid reading a contradiction? You're pitting the justification of James 2 against the faith of Ephesians 2, the first by works and the second not of works.\nIf the object of each is the same, you have a contradiction. The protestant avoids a contradiction by pointing out the two passages each point to something different, that verse in James not talking about justification before God.\n\nIf you read the rest of James it fits in neatly with the protestant view."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nThe funny thing is that a lot of Protestants instinctually know these things and follow them automatically. Christ will work on those whom he has called, whether they realize it or not. But their head is in wrong theology. I merely want them to get head and heart together."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nEphesians doesn't say faith alone. And Ephesians says that we are justified by grace, not faith."}, {"id": 38, "content": "Yes.\n>>37\nGrace through faith"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nIt says \"through faith\" \"not of works\""}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nIt's not a contradiction. Protestants associate a lot of Paul's most liberating language about works when he's really talking about Law. Things that separated Jews and Gentiles and caused friction in the Church. He battled Judaizers and those who told Christians they had to be more like him. To keep the Sabbath, to circumcise, to keep the high feasts, etc... Things that diminished the significance of the New Covenant and were only pointing to the greater spirituality that had now come.\nBut he was never liberating about universal works (i.e. morals). Which was what James is talking about too. They both urged being fair, being generous, loving one another, putting away our old flesh/carnal natures (very Pauline speak even more than James)."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nFaith is how we receive said grace, yes, but it alone does not justify us. This is why dead babies can still go to heaven, because even though they cannot profess any sort of faith to receive God's grace ordinarily, God can dispense that same grace extraordinarily to save them regardless."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nmore like them* (i.e. Jews)."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\n>It says \"through faith\" \"not of works\"\nBut the faith isn't what initially justifies us, it is the grace, correct?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nI know it's not a contradiction, I just said how we interpret it to not involve one. You are not giving an alternative explanation and you're not describing the protestant case.\n\nTell me you know the difference between antinomianism and sola fide\n\n>>43\nThere's no time aspect in the passage, so to say \"initially\" is eisegesis\nIt's \"by\" grace \"through\" faith, so in some sense grace and faith are involved\n\nYou hopefully know already that sola gratia is one of the other solae"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nWe are justified by grace which we receive through faith.\n\nDo you agree with this formulation?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\n>Faith is how we receive said grace, yes\nNo, it's grace through faith not faith through grace. Grace is how we have faith, \"and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God\".\n>they cannot profess any sort of faith\nProfession of faith is not how anyone is saved. Nobody is saved by anything do, even faith does not save you in this way. The saint is not justified by his own actions fulfilling any condition of justification, but by faith apprehends the righteousness of Christ on account of which alone he is justified before God."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nNo."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>Tell me you know the difference between antinomianism and sola fide\nI know the difference, but ultimately I'm more concerned with what people do. Bad theology or not. I just touched on this too. >>36 . I don't think a lot of Protestants who profess Sola Fide actually live out anything radically \"lawless\". Most of them are decent and try to glorify God in their lives. I just want their heads to match their heart and stop repeating these lame Lutheran mantras. It's bad theology and it doesn't really match what most of them live, in any practical sense."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>No, it's grace through faith not faith through grace. Grace is how we have faith, \"and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God\".\n\nYou are so unbelievably stingy. Are you scared? Let's try again:\n\nEven if we have faith, it is still up to God to decide whether we are saved or not, correct?\n\n>Profession of faith is not how anyone is saved. Nobody is saved by anything do, even faith does not save you in this way. The saint is not justified by his own actions fulfilling any condition of justification, but by faith apprehends the righteousness of Christ on account of which alone he is justified before God.\nStop repeating my words. We are justified by grace, I AGREE with you. But that grace STILL must be accepted, correct?\n\n>>47\nWhy? Does our faith force God to save us, or something?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>32\nIt says right there that \"his faith was made complete by what he did.\" How can works precede faith if works are what complete the faith. Abraham had faith in God, but his faith was tested when God told him to kill his son. His good works by following the command of God to kill his son was a test on his faith which by following his faith was complete."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>Even if we have faith, it is still up to God to decide whether we are saved or not, correct?\nOf course it is, I don't see your point though\n>But that grace STILL must be accepted, correct?\nThat acceptance is not autonomous. It arises from the operation of God's will, and not man's.\n>Does our faith force God to save us, or something?\nNo?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nYou don't sound like you know the difference."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>Of course it is, I don't see your point though\nMarvelous. So it isn't the faith itself that merits our salvation, it's God's grace - exactly what Ephesians states. We receive said grace ordinarily through our faith. In light of this, there is absolutely zero contradiction with James 2.\n>That acceptance is not autonomous. It arises from the operation of God's will, and not man's.\nWhat? Do you believe in free will or not?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nI know the difference when most Protestants who say \"Sola Fide\" aren't truly antinomian and have a whole other field of study on Sanctification. Especially Calvinists.\nBut saying \"Sola Fide\" itself is unhelpful and misleading and led to antinomian behavior to those less inclined to even listen to Reformers. Also, there's no real need to separate Faith and Sanctification much to begin with. Creating all of these seperate fields of theology is unhelpful. Which is the point of James' epistle, to get back to the start of the thread. Faith and Works are one thing."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>45\nYes\n\n>>48\nMotte and bailey"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\nNobody will consider you a kind person unless you demonstrably do kind things. Similarly, God won't consider you faithful unless you do faithful things. Why would God test Abraham if he already knew Abraham would remain faithful and obey him? Because he was only considered faithful ONCE he performed a faithful act."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Has to invent an entire new religion so he can feel he'll still go to heaven even while being a shitty person who blasphemes more often than he irritates his hemorrhoids\nHow did that work out for him?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nIf you agree, then what is this supposed 'contradiction' that the Protestants successfully reconciled? Ephesians is talking about justification, not salvation. We aren't justified by works (or faith for that matter), but we ARE saved by them."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n>Motte and bailey\nI don't even want an explicit debate. Any wiggling you perceive is me trying my best to be kind, while also criticizing the theology. I'm even giving Protestants credit for trying to live out God's will, in large part. I just think the language, the autistic scholasticism to dissect holy matters (which is part of much Catholicism of the time too), and mantras stink. I especially don't understand why any hold on to blanket statements like \"Sola Fide\" so dearly, when few of you ever truly live them to their natural conclusion. Historical Protestants do more than Sola Fide, but they spawned the likes that larger Evangelical world which is more \"antinomian\". The feelgood megachurches, if you will. And Baptists."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>53\n>So it isn't the faith itself that merits our salvation, it's God's grace\nBy definition grace does not involve merit, the word means unmerited favor. The answer is no, what merits salvation is the righteousness of Jesus Christ which is imputed to the believer.\n>In light of this, there is absolutely zero contradiction with James 2\nI agree that there is zero contradiction with James 2, but that is because James 2 does not teach justification by works.\n>Do you believe in free will or not?\nThe will of unregenerate men is far from free, since it is enslaved to sin. Look at all the atheists on this board who are overwhelmed with seething hatred at the merest implication of God and tell me they are free. At the moment when God shows mercy to His children He sets their wills free to believe in Him and serve Him, and He does not fail to do so."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>54\n>I know the difference when most Protestants who say \"Sola Fide\" aren't truly antinomian\nDo you agree that the meaning of the words \"sola fide\" should be defined by what Martin Luther intended to communicate by them?\n>But saying \"Sola Fide\" itself is unhelpful and misleading and led to antinomian behavior to those less inclined to even listen to Reformers\nI think that's completely false. Any term can be twisted to a heretical end by those who are inclined to do so, but the extreme formulation of \"sola fide\" was necessary precisely to exclude heretics from the true Church, the same as when the Creed used the term \"homoousian\" which could and had been used by Modalists to describe their heresy, but more importantly had an orthodox sense which Arius strictly could not affirm. Should we fault Alexander of Alexandria and Athanasius because their vocabulary could be twisted by heretics, or should we recognize the word as meaning what they meant?\n>Also, there's no real need to separate Faith and Sanctification much to begin with\nWe don't separate faith and sanctification.\n>Which is the point of James' epistle\nNo, the point of a singular passage in the epistle is to emphasize the importance of works in Christian life.\n>>56\nDo you think God knows things the same way we know things?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nJustification is a subset of salvation, a kind of salvation. Protestantism resolves the issue by making the soteriological distinction\n\n>>59\nDoctrinal statements like sola fide are essential forms of theological study and catechesis.\nExtra ecclesiam nulla salus\nLex credendi lex orandi\nEtc"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>56\nAgain, why would the scripture say that his faith was made complete by what he did if works preceded faith. It doesn't make any sense, a kind person does good things but a person who does good things doesn't make them kind or good. They can do good for impure reasons. Similarly good deeds do not create faith, faith creates good deeds."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\n>By definition grace does not involve merit, the word means unmerited favor.\nStop playing semantic games. You know what I mean.\n>The answer is no, what merits salvation is the righteousness of Jesus Christ which is imputed to the believer.\nThe erroneous doctrine of imputed righteousness aside, this is still an act of grace by God, yes?\n>The will of unregenerate men is far from free, since it is enslaved to sin. Look at all the atheists on this board who are overwhelmed with seething hatred at the merest implication of God and tell me they are free. At the moment when God shows mercy to His children He sets their wills free to believe in Him and serve Him, and He does not fail to do so.\nYou're confusing me. What determines whether God dispenses his mercy or not? It is through an individual's free choice to follow God, right?\n>>62\nProtestantism does not resolve the issue because there was no issue in the first place."}, {"id": 65, "content": "Hey Luther, how did you get that canon of scripture?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>The erroneous doctrine of imputed righteousness aside, this is still an act of grace by God, yes?\nYes.\n>What determines whether God dispenses his mercy or not? It is through an individual's free choice to follow God, right?\nNo. The individual has no influence on it at all. It is determined by the good pleasure of God alone."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\n>Again, why would the scripture say that his faith was made complete by what he did if works preceded faith.\nBecause faith isn't considered faith UNLESS it is complete.\n\nPut it like this: You wouldn't consider a couple wooden beams lying on the ground as a shack until it is constructed into an actual shack, would you? Even though the requisite materials are there, it remains a stack of planks."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nThere is ostensibly an issue, hence the discussion we're having.\nThere has not been a catholic reconciliation ITT\n\nThe catholic needs to realize the protestant view makes internal sense of the text and is not challenged by the verse posted in isolation. Think about when a fundie posts \"call no man father\" as if Catholics haven't heard that a million times and as if the context doesn't solve the issue."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nAre you telling me that you believe in predestination? What the fuck?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>61\n>Do you agree that the meaning of the words \"sola fide\" should be defined by what Martin Luther intended to communicate by them?\nNo, he should be ignored too for overstepping and ultimately calling the Epistle of James an Epistle of Straw, as I said early in the thread. He saw no room to correct his theology or even tweak it a little. Rather than struggling, he wanted the coward's way out and just insulted scripture so he could keep his theology in tact.\nThat said, I'm not equating with him antinomians either who've abused the phrase (since he did have a sense of moral restrictions and was even opposed against anabaptists and other reformers over sacraments), but how can a guy who starts with considering throwing out scripture be a good foundation?\nAnd I'm not sure the phrase has been used all that well since either, but I'm not totally read up on it, to be fair. I acknowledge Calvinists and Wesleyans go more into depth about sanctification, while also using Sola Fide type language. Or it seems.\n>>61\n>I think that's completely false. Any term can be twisted to a heretical end by those who are inclined to do so, but the extreme formulation of \"sola fide\" was necessary precisely to exclude heretics from the true Church, the same as when the Creed used the term \"homoousian\" which could and had been used by Modalists to describe their heresy, but more importantly had an orthodox sense which Arius strictly could not affirm. Should we fault Alexander of Alexandria and Athanasius because their vocabulary could be twisted by heretics, or should we recognize the word as meaning what they meant?\nAs I said above, the difference with them is they upheld orthodox scriptures given to them and never even considered throwing out Epistles. This is the level of crap that Gnostics and Marcion did."}, {"id": 71, "content": "I'm low IQ, but this discussion makes no sense to me. One side says works justify together with faith, the other says it's faith alone but works are a result of that. To me you're just arguing the same thing: we are justified by faith and works together, the two are inseparable. What did I get wrong?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nYes I believe the bible.\n>>70\n>No, he should be ignored too\nThat is called intellectual dishonesty. Luther's skepticism over a handful of books of scripture is immaterial to the meaning of this phrase, which is the only thing we were talking about. Luther coined the term, all hitherto orthodox Protestant theologians have used the term the exact same way as Luther, using Luther's definition is simply the honest way to deal with history and theology regardless of what we think of the man or his teachings.\n>>71\nIn Romanism your status before God is contingent on your own righteous living."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTfw you realize he was the first to see faith as opposite of reason and everything he said makes a lot more sense now"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>68\nIn light of what we have just discussed, what is the contradiction?\n\nHere's where I think the confusion lies:\n\n>Ephesians 2:8 KJV - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:\n\nWhen the verse says, \"and that not of yourselves,\" the antecedent to this is the \"grace\" bit, not the \"faith\" bit."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\n>In Romanism your status before God is contingent on your own righteous living.\nDon't you both believe one becomes righteous by grace? I don't see the difference"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>Yes I believe the bible.\nNo, you believe in John Calvin, not God. Predestination has NEVER been taught by the early church. You are a heretic. I can't believe I wasted my time with you."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>69\nPredestination is explicitly in the bible\n\n>>74\nThe contradiction lies in the placement of the works, as contributing to or as a result of salvation. If James 2 is taken to mean works cause salvation (justification) it directly contradicts Ephesians 2."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nGod bless."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\nNo, he believes in imputed righteousness. Look up imputed righteousness vs infused righteousness.\n\nP.S. Imputed righteousness is a heretical Protestant conception."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nImputed righteousness is taught in scripture."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>76\n>>79\nleast retarded cucktholic copium.\n\nPS, read calvin in french before ousting yourself as a retarded cucktholic"}, {"id": 82, "content": "doesn anyone know of any book that might serve as theology 101 or an introduction or whatever, because this discussion is leaving me positively confused"}, {"id": 83, "content": "8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n\nFor we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n\nWho saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n\nKnow that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.\nGalatians 2:16\n\nTherefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nThis righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22\n\n25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:25-26\n\nHe saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>67\nso you agree with me that works make faith complete and not the other way around, perfect."}, {"id": 85, "content": "An informative playlist on the topic:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30acyfm60fWpVFe1JbevGeBEh9YKnuF5"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>72\n>That is called intellectual dishonesty. Luther's skepticism over a handful of books of scripture is immaterial to the meaning of this phrase,\nCalling canon into question is not immaterial. Not even Popes did this. They worked with Councils. And he wasn't expressing mere skepticism. He was echoing a phrase from Aquinas, basically calling the epistle worthless. But what's really worthless is his inability to not rethink his theology and reckon with Holy Scripture like a proper student should have. You're letting a guy be the head of the Church, greater than any ecumenical Council all by his lonesome (deciding canon), and he couldn't even do due diligence. This always needs to be the beginning of conservation with Luther. It's why i replied early on with it. Your hearts may be in the right placed, but your minds are completely cucked."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>75\nThe difference is a very sublte one having to do with what justification is, and when it happens.\n\nIn Protestantism, justification is when we are baptised and God declares us righteous.\n\nIn Catholicism, God forgives us at baptism, which begins a process of work which makes us more righteous.\n\nIt's very difficult to explain because the words have different definitions to each group. We agree that grace is unmerited, that baptism is necessary, and that good works follow saving faith.\n\nhttps://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>77\n>Predestination is explicitly in the bible\nCan you define exactly what you mean by predestination? There's tons of room for qualification here.\n>>78\nNo, don't bless me. Your God is Satan, and I need not his blessings."}, {"id": 89, "content": "It's really simple\n>What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.\n>But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”\n>Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.\n>You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?\nYou see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.\n>In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nThat's my point, the question is what the concept means not whether the concept is in the bible\n\nAm I to understand you choose not to believe certain concepts in the bible?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>80\nYeah, and JW's will tell me that Arianism is taught in scripture, too. Get the hell out of here. I trust no teaching authority but that of the Church."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nThat's the difference between us. I trust God's teaching authority, you trust the Antichrist of Rome"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>84\nNo. There is no faith unless it is made manifest by works. Haven't you been listening? A couple of planks on the floor cannot be considered a table until it is shaped into the form of a table."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\n>here's 200 year old propaganda as proof that I'm right"}, {"id": 95, "content": "Hey John, fuck you!"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>90\n>That's my point, the question is what the concept means not whether the concept is in the bible\nDepending on how you DEFINE the concept, it might be there, and it might not. Which is why I'm asking you to define it.\n>>92\n> I trust God's teaching authority,\nSo do the JW's. But let me guess, they're wrong and you're right? So, in the end, it really just boils down to your own fallible opinion.\n>you trust the Antichrist of Rome\nI trust the Church that Christ instituted, the Church that compiled YOUR Bible."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>unknown\n>Why do catholics interpret it different if the bible says this\n\nwhew...talk about a loaded quesiton\ni hope the protestant who replies to you has the honesty to answer impartially"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>unknown\nThe Bible is a Catholic book, retard. The Protestants are the one interpreting it differently. Read up on church history - a 4chan thread isn't the best place to inform yourself."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n> in the end, it really just boils down to your own fallible opinion\nNo it boils down to what God's word says.\n>the Church that compiled YOUR Bible\nGod compiled my bible"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nSorry, I'm just trying to understand. ChatGPT said this:\n\"Catholics interpret these passages similarly to Protestants, recognizing that salvation is a gift of God's grace and that it is received through faith in Jesus Christ. However, Catholics also emphasize the importance of good works in the process of salvation.\n\nCatholics would understand that when Paul writes in Ephesians 2:8-9 that \"it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast,\" he is emphasizing that salvation is a gift of God's grace, received by faith and not by our own efforts. However, Catholics would also recognize that good works are important, not as a means of earning salvation, but as a necessary response to God's grace.\"\nBut it doesn't seem right considering the debate here"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's mostly a difference in translation, which is why the Church wanted to stop the unauthorized translations. For Catholics, baptism begins justification. For Protestants, baptism ends justification."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>92\n>prots never executed anyone\nlool, whos gonna tell him"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\n>God compiled my bible\nCorrect, the Holy Ghost that dwells in the mystical body of Christ, the Catholic Church"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>100\nYour ChatGPT is accurate. For Catholics, works are a willingness to cooperate with God's grace, which activity is only possible if you already have faith. I.e. no amount of works without faith could save, since it is working in cooperation with God that saves, not our own efforts. Catholics would say this active participation is necessary, while Protestants would say only faith is necessary."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>93\nyes but there is no table to be built unless there is wood to begin with, everything you argue is just going against what you're saying. It's very confusing."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>102\nThat's different, they deserved it."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>98\n>You write a book if you take everything that is already written and put it together"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>99\n>No it boils down to what God's word says.\nAre you claiming that your biblical hermeneutics are infallible?\n>God compiled my bible\nAnd how did He do that? By protecting the Church from error, correct?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>100\nCatholics are just gnostics in disguise."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>38\nYou got it backwards.\nIt's Faith through Grace. It's ok because you obviously do not understand the Greek text.\nCalvin also was unable to read Greek. So he fucked up.\nIf you go back to Ephesians 2.5 you will read the exact same sentence:\nΧάριτι έστε σεσωσμένοι.\nThe exact same words are repeated in Ephesians 2.8:\nΤη γαρ χάριτι έστε σεσωσμένοι\nIt is through the grace of God that we are saved provided we believe in God.\nThrough Jesus Christ we are blessed [we receive His Grace and Salvation].\nThis does not mean that we are saved through FAITH ALONE. This means that if we abandon faith, we deny the Grace of God. As a native Greek speaker, this is crystal clear to me.\nAfter all, in Ephesians 2.10 states:\n...κτισθέντες εν Χριστώ Ιησού επί έργοις αγαθοίς, οις προητοίμασεν ο Θεός ίνα εν αυτοίς περιπατήσωμεν.\nThis translates to:\nWe were all made through Christ in order to perform GOOD/HUMBLE/PIOUS WORKS, following what God has prepared for us to walk [follow] upon.\nIt literally states that God has prepared for us a way of GOOD WORKS that we ought to follow to reach salvation.\nYou cannot ignore or corrupt the clear meaning of this."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>105\n>yes but there is no table to be built unless there is wood to begin with,\nGod supplies the wood via grace. It's up to us to make it into a table."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>108\nMy bible is infallible.\n>>110\nOf course anon, all those bible translators are wrong and you, who cannot speak Greek, you've got it right"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>104\n>no amount of works without faith could save\n\nAlso, no amount of faith without works can save you."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nRomans 4:5-8"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nDid Calvin know Greek? Answer the question. Yes or No?\nI'm Orthodox Greek. Fuck your translators. Are you saying that politics have never affected your retarded German and English translations? Are you saying Calvin was not first and foremost a politician? At least try to argue my points instead of acting like an idiot."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\n>Did Calvin know Greek? Answer the question. Yes or No?\nYes.\n>I'm Orthodox Greek.\nSo what?\n>Are you saying that politics have never affected your retarded German and English translations?\nSchizo argument\n>Are you saying Calvin was not first and foremost a politician?\nCorrect, he was a churchman"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>113\nIn my mind (Catholic), a disposition of faith is a work, so it's really a difference without a distinction. I think more important is the question of whether you are storing your treasure in heaven. I don't want to be that guy who barely makes it into the gate, I want to be as close to God as possible."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\n- Post a list of all the texts Calvin wrote in Greek\n- I don't have to rely on translations written by politicians like you do\n- Stop projecting\n- Calvin literally fucked a nun. He was not a man of God. He was an instrument of satanic politics aimed to undermine the Church."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>112\n>My bible is infallible.\nA book cannot be infallible. Infallibility is an attribute ascribed to persons, not objects. What you mean is inerrant."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>107\nNT was written by Catholic authors."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">luther is le heretic!!\n>meanwhile the pope is selling get-out-of-purgatory passes"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\nNo, infallibility is a metaphysical state of being incapable of being wrong. It is impossible that anything the bible says is false because it is the word of God. The book is infallible, and inerrant because of that.\n>>118\n>Post a list of all the texts Calvin wrote in Greek\nI don't know that he wrote any texts in Greek\n>I don't have to rely on translations written by politicians like you do\nI don't know of any translations written by politicians\n>Calvin literally fucked a nun\nI don't think he fucked anybody but his wife"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nAnd the NT just assembled itself together?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Luther ate poo, funny\nYour only arguement is libel?\nt. Catholic who tries to act charitable towards Protestants"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nYeah but\n>Luther left moment-by-moment descriptions of his anal distress... In a vivid letter, he describes a hemorrhoid “the size of a walnut” growing on his ass... “If it was mixed with blood, then there was a relief and almost pleasure in pooing, so that I was often inclined to defecate. And if it was touched with the finger, it itched pleasurably and the blood flowed.” In one such bout of bloody shitting, he was thinking of Romans 1:17. “The righteous will live by faith.” And it came to him! “The Holy Spirit unveiled the Scriptures for me in the tower,” Luther says later. “Here I felt that I was altogether born again, and had entered Paradise itself through open gates.”\n>He kept up talk of shitting, farting and anal sex.\n\n>“He would often joke about sex, even remarking that ‘pious Christ himself’ had committed adultery three times — once with Mary Magdalen and once with the woman at the well, and once with the adulteress whom he let off so lightly.”\n\n>As a monk, he did little except mope. He wrote a friend: “I should be ardent in spirit, but I am ardent in the flesh, in lust, laziness, effeminacy, and sleepiness.”\n\n>Luther’s revolutionary writings led to outbreaks of violence throughout Germany. By 1525, mobs had destroyed churches, burned sacred art, and profaned the Eucharist... Luther wrote a pamphlet titled Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants, in which he called on the nobility to suppress the rebellion with all necessary violence, which they did with ferocious efficiency, killing 130,000 peasants.\n>Luther later took responsibility, sort of, for the mass killings, writing “it was I who slew all the peasants in the insurrection, for it was I who commanded them to be slaughtered; their blood is on my head . . . but I throw the responsibility on our Lord God who instructed me to give this order.”"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>122\nWell done. You're a politician yourself.\n>>123\nYes. That's what the prots believe."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nLuther was an early edition of Lenin."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\n>once with Mary Magdalen and once with the woman at the well, and once with the adulteress whom he let off so lightly.”\nsource"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>114\nRomans 4.4"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>128\nMartin Luther: Renegade and Prophet\nBy Lyndal Roper"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>126\nTake your meds Anon"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>122\nYes. It was Luther who married the nun."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>128\nIt's from Luther's Table Talks actually, he was referring to Jesus taking their sin but as a very stupid offensive joke"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>21\n>. Hitler and the nazis hated christianity\nThat's not what Hitler said in Mein Kampf though. He claimed that, in spite of its flaws, it was necessary to capture the attention and support of Christians, including Roman Catholics, because they made up such an important and numerous portion of the German population (which was 54% Protestant and 41% Roman Catholic back then). Hitler had some retarded pagancuck fellow party members like Himmler and Alfred Rosenberg, but he never stuck his fingers into that retarded LARPshit, since he knew it would have been political suicide."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\nHitler Table Talks say so.\n\n>i-it's fake\n\n\nonly the french verison is"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>125\nWhat did he write about anal?"}, {"id": 137, "content": "prots BTFO!\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZdRktLKZmU [Embed]"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nthread dies here"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>81\n>read Calvin\nThink I’ll have a teaspoon of my own shit like Luther before I manage that, thank you though."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>121\nretard"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\nWait, is Jay Dyer Orthodox? I had no idea."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>137\n>is himself a member of the proto-protestant church.\nlol"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nwakey wakey\neggs and bakey"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>142\nThis. We all know that the Assyrian Church of the East is the One True Church."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>142\n>proto-protestant church.\nOrthodox are Catholics minus the pope and naturalistic art"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nNot even close. Way to expose your pseudism."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\nAlso minus purgatory, indulgences, celibate priests, and plus leavened communion wafers."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\n>What is eastern Catholicism?"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>147\nThat’s the most superficial understatement of the differences possible."}, {"id": 150, "content": "Catholics were right look where this protestant culture has brought us.\nTo LGBT parades and a million denominations with all varied beliefs"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nlegitimacy of Catholicism isn't measured by the results of protestantism"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>148\nEastshit that's got nothing to do with the Western rite. They're the equivalent of a reseller that sells, say, Apple iPhones, but doesn't offer you any of the same services you'd get at the Apple Store, like the Genius Bar."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nYou do know Orthodox have valid ordinations and sacraments, right? You do know that the Latin rite isn't the only valid right in Catholicism and never was, right?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nNo that’s Novus Ordo bullshit."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\n>You know you can buy a legit Apple iPhone at Wang's Phone Store and he'll even give you a nice-looking retail box that says \"Apple iPhone\", right?\n>It's 100% legit even though it might explode if you leave it out in the sun for too long"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\nNo, it's not, retard. We had four other major sees under the Pope before the schism, all with their own rites and with apostolic succession, and these are the same as the Orthodox and Eastern Catholics today. And I think you mean Vatican II, since Novus Ordo is the new form of the liturgy."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>156\nThe Vatican II church is appropriately called the Novus Ordo Church because that’s exactly what it is: the church of the New World Order."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nGreat, another sedevacante schizo. Funny that you speak of Orthodox as protestants when your group itself falls under that category."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nWhen fid I “protest” against the Catholic Church? I’m all for the Catholic Church. What I reject is the imitation Church that unleashed it coup against the Catholic Church in 1962."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>74\n>KJV\ncringe"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>159\n>Rejects the Magisterium\n>Rejects authority of the Popes\n>Thinks an ecumenical council can lead people to heresy\n>Thinks the seat will be vacant for such an extended period of time\nYou're in a protestant sect. There is no heresy in Vatican II, by the way, but I don't think you will listen to anything I say about that."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nhttps://youtu.be/BWsgxCVYtAI [Embed]\neducate yourself"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\n>youtube video\nholy moly guacamole"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\n>vaticancatholic\nYou do know that this schizo also believes stage magicians perform real magic? He also tells you there is nowhere you can receive the sacraments, no valid ordinations and the church has been practically defeated by satan, very catholic of him, no? Anyway, it's you who should educate yourself. I was just like you, binge-watching his garbage and others like Taylor Marshall before I realized it was all schizo crap leading people into schism and despair. Watch this:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j_Iy70SM7c [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlZ81PxKUrgx2IZaQ7N58jaB4iO35sicP"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>162\n>vaticancatholic\nkeyed"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>161\nNo it’s just the practical reality of being in the ONE Roman Catholic Church"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nThere are so many inaccuracies there I can't even begin. But the church has dealt with schisms and internal conflicts since it's inception, what is accurate there isn't nearly as bad as the Arian crisis."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>159\nJust be consistent and become Lutheran."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>159\n>When fid I “protest” against the Catholic Church?\n>What I reject is the imitation Church that unleashed it coup against the Catholic Church in 1962.\nThere. Right there you did it. You did the thing"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>164\nWhat’s wrong with Taylor Marshall? He’s not even a sede."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>167\nWhat’s inaccurate about it. Rome is only united institutionally. They aren’t united ideologically, ethically, or morally."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>170\nHe’s a convert. Converts should never be taken seriously."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">in the good ol days I could get paid 6 GORILLION dollars to pull a lever every day and retire from my wagecuck job at 40\n>my grandpa supported a family of 12 at a shoelace factory for 20 years and still had money to own more than I do\n>VGH\nwas this ever actually the case in history? I don't doubt that things were better in the past but this sounds like a parody."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHousing was cheap. That is all. Cheap as in the price divided by the average wage was a smaller number. Many reasons for that"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeftoids hasn't caused inflation yet so yes."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYOU REMEMBER THE GOOD OL DAYS?\n\nYOU COULD GET BURGERS AND SHAKES AND POLIO IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS\n\nYOU COULD LEAVE YOUR FRONT DOOR UNLOCKED BECAUSE YOU HAD FUCKING NOTHING WORTH STEALING\n\nIT WAS FUCKING GREAT IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS, IF YOU DIDNT HAVE FUCKING POLIO\n\nONE DAY YOUR LITTLE SISTER WENT MISSING, AND YOU COULDNT BE SURE WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE YOU HAD BEEN DRUNK, EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE ONLY FOUR YEARS OLD\n\nBECAUSE IT WAS THE FUCKING GOOD OLD DAYS\n\nYOU WERE DRUNK OFF THE ALCOHOL CONTENT OF THE MOUTHWASH THAT YOUR PRIEST USED TO WASH HIS COCK IN BETWEEN VICTIMS AND THE WHISKEY YOU STOLE FROM YOUR FATHER WHEN HE PASSED OUT AFTER BEATING YOU WITH A BELT FOR BEING RAPED BY A PRIEST\n\nBECAUSE IT WAS THE FUCKING GOOD OLD DAYS"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nTriggered by a functional society to the point that you feel the need to make shit up"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\nIt’s because Grandpa worked in a manufacturing economy where America was the only viable producer.\nBlue collar work pays incredibly well when only one country on earth can provide it.\nFrom 1945 America controlled world trade and manufacturing because it couldn’t be done anywhere else. Europe was destroyed, and Asia was undeveloped (save for Japan, which was a vassal of America after the war, and was the first ‘competitor’ to take an indirect shot at the American middle class)\n\nSo from 1945-1965 times were incredibly good. After Japan caught up from about 65 onwards america had its first major recession that came to a head in the Nixon/Carter era, which was corrected by Paul Volcker saving the dollar, then Reaganomics shifting America to being the financial capital of the world (transforming us from a strong manufacturing driven middle , to a much weaker, but still relatively wealthy service based middle)\n\nLong story short, blue collar work was amazing in the 50s because america was the only place in the world you could make money at. As soon as that changed, the American middle class started being gradually destroyed/replaced."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBack then the average worker's salary was about 8/th of the boss. Now it's more along 1/200th.\nPeople also had a lower (and cheaper) quality of life.\n\n>>2\nCheap housing alone likely freed up 30% or so of people's salary.\nImagine how much more financially comfortable you'd be with 1/3rd extra pay."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n> then Reaganomics shifting America to being the financial capital of the world\n\nI should add that Reaganomics shifting the focus of the economy was absolutely the right thing to do, because trying to compete with the globe with our “middle class manufacturing” wouldve been the biggest economic catastrophe since the Great Depression.\nThe economics of building american at the time were completely unjustifiable when you could do it in many other places for 1/5 the cost. So America had to primarily become a financial haven for capitalists (who wanted to continue making money)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nIN THE FUCKING GOOD OLD DAYS YOU COULD KILL PEOPLE FOR BEING SO FUCKING STUPID THAT THEY REFLEXIVELY DENY ANYTHING THAT MAKES THEM UNCOMFORTABLE\n\nYOU COULD STOVE THEIR HEADS IN WITH BRICKS AND THE POLICE WULD GIVE YOU A PAT ON THE BACK FOR A JOB WELL DONE BEFORE THEY RUN OFF TO BEAT AN IRISHMAN TO DEATH\n\nBECAUSE IT WAS THE FUCKING GOOD OLD DAYS"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>where America was the only viable producer.\nEarth is the only viable producer so why is earth no gigarich?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>BEFORE THEY RUN OFF TO BEAT AN IRISHMAN TO DEATH\nMade me lol"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>VAX ME MASTER, OHH YESS AHHH I DON'T WANT POLIO I WANNA BE VAAAAAAXXXD"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Bros remember when everyone who got the polio vaccine mysteriously died and all it took was just waiting two more weeks."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nIt always amazes me when people complain about how everything is more expensive and worse nowadays but aren't willing to commit to the patterns of the past that made them better.\nEducation being the best example. Maybe don't subsidize colleges and incentivize them to spend money on useless shit like waterslides to attract rich retards, whilst also flooding these schools with poor retards? and don't lower standards to let more retards in? \"Let's improve the quality of education!\" they say, yet watch as the average student of the modern age bulks at the idea of curbing grade inflation!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nwhy do republicucks lie so much?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n/thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nThat's not even related to inflation anon."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\n>Le God Emperor Blumfp prints $7 Trillion during the coof and gives most of it to his rich buddies, in the form of forgivable loans (while MAGAniggers get a cheque for $500 in the mail lmfao)\n>\"w-why are Leftists driving up inflation??\"\nRightoids are the niggers of politics"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>was this ever actually the case in history?\n\nYes, to an extent, that was the case and isn't entirely exaggeration.\nLabor was valued more, employers were less picky, the money had more purchasing power, goods and services were cheaper, and in their own way people could live more comfortable lives as late as the early 90's.\n\nI'm enclined to agree with this Anon: >>6\nJust in the capacity that America *was* the premium competitor and producer of high quality goods, materials, and at the time the United States was leading the world in terms of excellent public education, infrastructure, entertainment, etc.. But eventually the rest of the world caught up and these things aren't exceptional anymore. If anything, there's many countries that eclipse America in terms of education, health care, security, production quality and quantity, etc.."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nfood was much more expensive. Basically you spent less on housing, more on food (and clothes). The biggest change was people were just a lot materially poorer and it was considerable socially acceptable to be much poorer. Things like two cars, larger homes, etc."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nYOU REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS?\n\nYOU COULD DRINK COCAINE STRAIGHT AND SHOOT HEROIN LEGALLY IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS, IF YOU DIDNT HAVE FUCKING POLIO\n\nTHE MEDICINE WAS USEFUL, ADDICTIVE, AND EASY TO FIND IN DADDYS CABINET, BECAUSE HE WOULD LEAVE HIS CABINET WIDE OPEN WHILE HE SLEPT ON THE KITCHEN FLOOR, DRUNK, BECAUSE HE SAW THE DEAD KIDS FACE IN EVERYONE HE MET AFTER THE WAR\n\n\nAND WHEN THEY MADE A VACCINE, THIS JEWISH GUY, THEY PUT OUT THIS FUCKING CHEMICAL SHIT, EVERYONE EVERYWHERE COULD GET IT\n\nAND YOU COULD SAY \"FUCK OFF, MY BOY AND EVERYONE WHO MEETS HIM GETS TO HAVE FUCKING POLIO, AND THATS WHAT EVERYONE WHO MEETS ME FUCKING DESERVES\"\n\nAND THE GOVERNMENT WOULDNT FUCKING LET YOU, AND WOULD FORCE YOU TO GET IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE THEY WERE FUCKING SICK OF EVERYONE HAVING POLIO\n\nIT WAS THE FUCKING GOOD OLD DAYS\n\nWHEN YOU COULD USE THE ARMY TO PUT DOWN STRIKES AND KILL INDIANS, WHO CANT RUN AWAY, BECAUSE HALF OF THEM HAVE FUCKING POLIO\n\nIN THE FUCKING GOOD OLD DAYS"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "daaamn that kid is smokin’!\nWhy do people condemn smoking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly chinks, leftists, and niggers smoke."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>daaamn that kid is smokin’!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis that kid balding?\nhe looks like a 40 year old man"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do people condemn smoking?\nwe dont, just like how we dont condemn cutting your own hand. i wont deal with consequences\njust dont cut hands of other people"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What the actual fuck was his problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate when people put Song armor on these archaic niggas"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIN THE SOUTHERN HALF OF TEXAS IN THE TOWN OF SAN ANTONE"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI forgot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTHERE'S A FORTRESS ALL IN RUINS THAT THE WEEDS HAVE OVERGROWN"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember anon. Never forget the time Ozzy Osbourne got arrested for pissing on it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMexico did nothing wrong in throwing out a bunch of hillbillies and their illegal slaves. Not a single argument that doesn't hinge on emotional racialist remarks about the nation or people itself."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne day skipping school in the 90s, I wandered downtown San Antonio and saw the Alamo cop from the DJ Quik video \"Just like Compton\". I'll always remember.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaCyV8eiRm8 [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happens when those charged with upholding the law end up on the wrong side of it? Thomas Capano was one such instance when he was the subject of a sensational 1990s trial in Delaware for the murder of his mistress.\n\nCapano was born in Wilmington in 1949, one of four sons of an Italian-American custom home builder. By the 1980s, he was an established prosecutor, attorney, legal counsel to Governor Mike Castle, and a Democrat political consultant. The trouble that would land him on the defendent's bench of a courtroom and ultimately death row began in 1994 when he started an affair with Anne Marie Fahey, an assistant to Governor Tom Carper, and 17 years his junior. He separated from his wife not long afterward, but Fahey, who wearied of her affair with a much older man who had four children and was also seeing three other women, began cheating on him with another man by the name of Mike Scanlan.\n\nFahey and Capano were seen in a Philadelphia restaurant together on June 27, 1996 after which she disappeared without a trace and was reported missing by her family. The FBI became involved in the search and Capano was immediately suspected. However, it took 16 months before his arrest on November 8, 1997 for first degree murder. This was after his brother Gerry attested that Tom had murdered Anne Fahey at a rented property he used. According to Gerry Capano, on June 28, 1996, Tom told him he'd murdered someone who tried to extort him and he needed help getting rid of the body. The two took a cooler containing Marie's remains out to Stone Harbor, New Jersey, took Gerry's boat onto the water for a few hours and tossed it out there. The cooler continued floating even though they tried shooting it. As the cooler had been a standard type used by fishermen, nobody at the marina noticed anything unusual about it."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Since the cooler wouldn't sink, they fished it out of the water, removed Marie's body, and tied the boat's anchors and chains around it. Gerry then helped get rid of a bloodied sofa and carpet, which they threw in a dumpster that their other brother, Louis helped empty. On July 4, the empty cooler was found floating around in the water and retrieved by a fisherman.\n\nInvestigators checked to see if Capano had purchased any firearms but found nothing incriminating. However another mistress of his, Debbie MacEntyre, admitted to giving him the gun used to kill Marie. The murder weapon was never found.\n\nAt Capano's highly publicized trial in the winter of 1998-99, the defense claimed that Debbie MacEntyre had stumbled across Capano and Fahey having an argument and the latter was holding the gun. She tried to wrestle it from them only for it to accidentally discharge and kill Fahey. The trial proved a circus when his defense attorney Joseph Hurley quit the case after having an epiphany and realizing that his client was almost certainly guilty. Hurley, a practicing Roman Catholic, claimed that while attending mass at St. Helena's Church in Penny Hill, he had a divine revelation that told him he was wrong to be defending Capano."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Gene Maurer, who replaced Hurley as Capano's defense attorney, also quit the case after initially being excited at taking it on. Maurer also began to have second thoughts about his client's guilt but was reluctant to quit with the adverse publicity that would result from Capano having two successive attorneys walk out on him. Making matters worse, Capano was dissatisfied with the legal counsel he'd been getting and instead called upon an outsider, Joe Oteri, a Boston-based attorney, to serve as his head counsel, along with an old law school buddy of his who was practicing down in Florida. Maurer said the defense team and Capano pursued \"completely unethical\" defense strategies.\n\nThe brash Oteri later admitted the case did not prove as fun as he'd expected and it was a mistake to take on a lawyer as a client. \"He just pissed me off because I kept saying 'You're paying me an enormous fee and you won't listen to anything I tell you. How stupid can you be?'\" For comparison, Oteri said the judge in the case, Bill Lee, and the two prosecutors, were \"completely straight and professional\" and avoided using any cheap or underhanded tactics.\n\nChief prosecutor Carroll Connolly had to endure frequent verbal abuse from Capano the whole trial and even threats to have him \"whacked.\""}, {"id": 4, "content": "Judge Lee was legally and professionally bound to not voice any public remarks on the Capano trial until after he retired from the bench in 2012. Since then he has shared a couple of stories about the trial. One of them was the fact that three of the twelve jury members were attractive young ladies in their 20s. Capano's legal team recommended dismissing them as unsuitable for the jury but he insisted on retaining them anyway on the grounds that there was no reason to suppose they were not qualified. However, Joe Oteri made an off the record comment to Lee that it was part of his client's deliberate strategy. \"The dumb SOB thinks they're going to fall in love with him.\" \"I agree,\" Lee replied. \"He thinks he can charm his way out of this thing.\"\n\nLee said of the defendent \"I didn't know Tom Capano, but I heard he had a reputation for being very charming. Well, when he was sitting in that courtroom, I can assure you there was nothing charming at all about him. He was like a rodent. Quite frightening, actually.\" The judge was also surprised that they found Capano's cooler, which had been floating in the ocean about 100 miles offshore when two fishermen retrieved it and turned it into police after hearing about the case in the news. \"I thought 'Surely Capano's got to know by now that there's a god.'\"\n\nCapano had admitted to stuffing Anne Fahey in the cooler, but insisted he was able to fold her body in there neatly without damage. One of the jurors, Erin Lee, who was close to Fahey in weight and height, tried to fit herself inside the cooler but was unable to when the lid was closed. This meant that Capano was certainly lying and he would have had to break some of Anne's leg bones or possibly worse to fit her inside."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> However, it took 16 months before his arrest on November 8, 1997\nDamn if he black a mob would gather ands have him lynched within two weeks for sure"}, {"id": 6, "content": "On January 17, 1999, Capano was found guilty on one count of first degree murder and sentenced to death, the first time in Delaware history that someone was convicted of first degree murder without a body, as Anne Fahey's remains were never found. He remained on death row until his sentence was commuted to life in prison in 2006 and he died on September 19, 2011 after being found unresponsive in his cell. Capano's death was attributed to complications of heart disease and obesity; he had gained a considerable amount of weight in prison and was no longer the slim, fit man who sat on the bench in Bill Lee's courtroom. As Lee remarked, \"His father died of heart disease and he always believed he would too. Once his appeals ran out, I think it was suicide by food.\""}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hey bro, I just killed this bitch and I need you to help me ensure she goes swimming with the fishes\n>sure thing\n#justItalianthings"}, {"id": 8, "content": "i hate pastaniggers so much"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nthus proving Catholicism as the one true faith apparently"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs he an Italian Jew?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/232373104/joseph-michael-capano\n\nit might be easy to assume that at first because Capano literally means \"from the city of Campano\" and Italian Jews tend to be named after cities but the picture of his brother's tomb here has crosses on it and clearly shows they were ethnic Italians."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the most ''advanced'' state of medieval SSA\n>didn't even have coinage\n>the most notable architectural creation is a mosque made out of mud and sticks"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's great and all but I don't remember asking you a question or implying that I care about your stupid opinion"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGo back to twitter."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Nigger River"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nSeething chimp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nlmfao. the typical nigger from the civil rights thread.\n\n\nKeep coping.\n\neven us native americans did better than you dumb monkeys"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nin what way was it a state?\nAlso, tell me about sub saharan agriculture. Normally agriculture promotes civilization in the form of property rights, a warrior class, a peasant class, etc. Did that happen in africa too?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've got better things to do with my time then laugh at the development of other nations, but the reason why African nations never even matched European civilisations is that Africa is just not a continent where its possible to make an advanced civilisation. Europeans are probably the most spoiled people on earth when it comes to geography, as the entire continent is more or less perfect for forming politically advanced states, the trade of goods and the sharing of ideas, along with being a peninsula with three backwards continents (North America, South America, Africa) easily accessible by sea, allowing them to be subjected, colonised and exploited. Rivers before the industrial revolution were about as important as a maglev train, and while I'm not a geographic determinist I don't find it surprising AT ALL that the only African civilisations of note (Mali and Egypt) were centred around 2 of the 3 navigable waterways in Africa."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Imperial Mali was home to many libraries, schools, and hospitals."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>I've got better things to do with my time\nLike shoving dildos up your ass?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nHoly seethe"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nWere those made out of mud and sticks too?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nAnon dont even bother replying, OP is just mad that his mother is getting railed by some Jamal"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThat's the best thing besides browsing this hellhole that you could come up with?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nunironically yes. It's a lot more enjoyable than trying to explain complex subjects to nincompoops like you."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nwhat do you think?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">That's the best thing besides browsing this hellhole that you could come up with?\n\n>unironically yes. It's a lot more enjoyable than trying to explain complex subjects to nincompoops like you."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nDon't have a Twitter\n>>5\nNot a negro\n>>6\nGood to see you're still mad I fucked your ass in public like the little bitch you are\n>>11\nDidn't ask your opinion either, retard"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nyou sound black"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nGet that cock out of your mouth, cuckboy."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\nYeah in the 1950s, Mali finally had hospitals"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\ndubs confirm you do indeed love sticking nigger dicks up your anon"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIf you know so much about africa tell me about their agriculture"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nYes. The primary building material in desert and semi-desert climates is wattle and daube/adobe.\n>>21\nBamako is a Bambara city, not a Mandinka or Songhai or Soninke city. The Bambara were a periphery people in the Western Sudan until the collapse of Songhai. The main Bambara city was Segou, which did not reach its apex until the late 18th century prior to the Fulani Jihads.\n\nImperial Mali was well known for scholarship and trade."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nLMFAO! you just cried like a bitch and did no shit while i told your dumb fuck ass that america belongs to.native americans.\n\nNOT to niggers and crackers"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nOkay, heres the capital of imperial mali."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nBro I haven't been in a civil rights thread in months, you're barking up the wrong tree on that one\n\n>still chasing victories on his little incel forum to make himself feel like a big man\nLmao"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\nYou sound shrill and weak, like a woman\n>>20\nKeep projecting while I creampie your girlfriend lmao"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\ncleopatra was greek, i am also greek\nfeelsgoodman"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nPay dembts"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>incel forum\n\ni didn't know le 4channel was \"muh incel forum\"\n\nKeep coping tho on this forum"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>16\n>>1 (OP)\nAfrican adobe architecture is cool, the problem is people keep trying to act like that one shitty looking mosque is the peak example when there's plenty of more aeshetically pleasing ones, even mother mosques and even in the same architectural style.\n\nPic related, for example\n\nHell i've even seen carved wooden structures that seem neat too."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Hell i've even seen carved wooden structures that seem neat too.\n\nexample"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nYou're here so it's definitely an incel forum for you lol"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah? you should see the femali empire"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>didn't even have coinage\n\nWhat's wrong with gold dust, salt, copper, silver, and cowries?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the most ''advanced'' state of medieval SSA.\nYou were the one who said that anon."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>6\n>even us native americans\nLol are you some mutt larping as a Native?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>gold dust, salt\nEasy to lose since they're granular"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nt. negro from the first post"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThe logic doesn't make sense native americans weren't a monolith and widely varued. Even in places like Mesoamerica were costly different compared to the much much more sparse North America."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>24\n>Imperial Mali was well known for scholarship and trade.\n>scholarship\n>nearly their entire history was recorded by Arab foreigners"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nIt varued. Some was written in Arabic, others in Ajami. It all varued a lot over the years but academia was always very cosmopolitan by nature. Persians were pretty big in the ME and traveled a lot."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor me it’s the Toucouleur Empire, the coolest West African empire."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nAnd writing in Arabic because that's a relevant language in education is similar to how other languages that had niches in religious, philosophical or scientific writing."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>39\nWhat about cowries? Many civilizations and kingdoms all over the tropics used them as currency."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>6\n>even us native americans\n\nWhat tribe? What region from the Americas are you from? Post a picture of your hand with a timestamp."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>located all over river systems\n\n10 bucks says they ate African rice, and a lot of it."}, {"id": 49, "content": "why are whites so obsessed with africa, i never hear asians mention that continent"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>26\nThe capital of Imperial Mali was Niani, dude. How do you not know this?\n>>42\nNo?\n\nIt was recorded by griots and literate historians of Mandinka, Fulani, Tuareg, Hausa, and Songhay ethnicity alongside the odd Arab traveler."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>It was recorded by griots and literate historians of Mandinka, Fulani, Tuareg, Hausa, and Songhay ethnicity\nwhere are the chronicles, then?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>44\n>>1 (OP)\nFulani nomadic empires were the coolest"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">O Passer-by, I am Cyrus, who gave the Persians their empire and was king of Asia; grudge me not, therefore, my monument."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsmail and khomeini are more interesting"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nKanishka the Great was, in fact, the most interesting. Iranians should have become Sarvastivadin Buddhists. Also, I am an aristocrat, so my views matter more than yours."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArdashir and Arsaces were more heroic than this retard. The Achaemenids did nothing for their homeland which remained a shithole the vast majority of Iran was built up in the Parthian and Sassanid periods and even the early islamic era during iranian intermezzo"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nGood morning sir"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah, the Lord moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and also to put it in writing:2 “This is what Cyrus king of Persia says:“‘The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. 3 Any of his people among you may go up to Jerusalem in Judah and build the temple of the Lord, the God of Israel, the God who is in Jerusalem, and may their God be with them. 4 And in any locality where survivors may now be living, the people are to provide them with silver and gold, with goods and livestock, and with freewill offerings for the temple of God in Jerusalem.’” Ezra 1:1-4\n\nWhat's up with this? Was he Jewish? Sympathetic to Jews? Or is this just propaganda?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Liu Bei really throw the baby?\nIf he didn't why did the Chinese think it was good propaganda to make him a babythrower?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did Liu Bei really throw the baby?\nWho knows\n>If he didn't why did the Chinese think it was good propaganda to make him a babythrower?\nBabies are easily replaceable, good generals are not."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis mentality is why i hate the Chinese"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did Liu Bei really throw the baby?\nNobody knows, this story only appears in the Romance of the Three Kindgoms.\n>If he didn't why did the Chinese think it was good propaganda to make him a babythrower?\nTwo reasons\n\n1. It was a literary device to show how Liu Bei valued talented underlings more than his flesh and blood.\n\n2. It was also likely to tie Liu Bei's mentality to the founder of the Han Dynasty, Liu Bang. According to stories about Bang's early attempts to power, when he was being chased by his rivals he used his own family members as pawns to save his talented retainers like Han Xin. Famously during a chariot chase he threw off one of his children to the pursuers so they'll waste time securing the baby as a hostage rather than pursue them. It worked and he rescued the child later.\n\nShufags love linking Liu Bei to his founding ancestor following the meme of him being the savior of the Han."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the origin of the Balkanite bandit clothes most countries in the area use as their national dress? is it original to the balkans or imported from elsewhere? is it from the ottomann era or did it exist in some form beforehand?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "With the benefit of hindsight, would the United States have been better off if it created a free nigger state after slavery?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They should have established African American reservations and sent them all there. Would have been cheaper and you could still take advantage of the free labor. The most intelligent ones could make it out and be less of a burden on the American tax payers."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPresident Ulysses S. Grant wanted to annex the Dominican Republic into a U.S. state and send blacks there, but it never worked out"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would have been better had we never allowed slavery. That being said, 1865 with enough legislative support to pass any bill whatsoever I probably would invest in a colony for Africans in Africa. Wholly voluntary but give them good incentives. 40 acres and a mule if you go back to Africa, your own local representative government, protected by the US."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>what was the black star line"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was life like in the Seleukid Empire? What happened here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople who weren't me had sex."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid it include arabian territory?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYour mom's pussy is Arabian territory."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRaped by Anatolian Kingdoms\nRaped by Ptolemaic Egypt\nRaped by Rome\nRaped by Jews (lmao)\nRaped by Parthians\nRaped by Armenians (lmao)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n\nArabs were just shattered tribes at the bottom of the peninsula so no."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>what are Nabataeans"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHeavily stratified so depended on your ancestry.\nMacedonian>Greek>Old Persian Nobility>Local>Leper>Jew"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEssentially a Macedonian-led Persian-style Satrapal system. You basically stayed in your national borders and your direct rulers (either a Greek Satrap or your local King) answered to the Seleucid in Babylon/Seleukeia.\n\nIf you're a Hellenic Colonist you're basically aristocracy. Otherwise you're just some native oriental bossed around by Macedonian nobles.\n\nUnlike the Achaemenids though, Hellenic racism & opinions vs. eastern warfare meant you can't join the army, only Hellenic Colonists can. This completely fucked the Seleucids as there are too few greeks for too huge an Empire."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you think about it, Argentina losing this war killed actual fascism."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Argentina’s army was tough enough to torture women and children, but not tough enough to capture las islas Malvinas."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSpic fascists are only good at killing their own kin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the most comfy ancient civilization for its average citizen?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably one on some tropical or subtropical island somewhere"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSoomer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\naustralian aborigines"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the Minoans\n\n>No slavery (EXTREMELY rare in the Ancient World)\n>Probably the highest living standards in the Ancient World, had access to a wide array of goods, clay piping in upper class homes, invented flushing toilets\n>Trading civilization, little evidence of warfare has been found\n>Their art portrays scenes about sports, fashion, leisure, nature... rather than images of the ruler crushing his enemies as in other civs of this time, which shows a non-authoritarian mentality and a concern for the life of the average person\n>Clay tablets with written inscriptions have been found in lower class homes, showing a high level of literacy and social equality\n>Gender equality\n>Government form remains unknown but the most likely theory is that it was a trading oligarchy on which upper class patricians elected the Minos (King)\n>It is believed Plato based the myth of Atlantis on them\n>Had a powerful navy to defend their islands and controlled trade on the Eastern Mediterranean until the sudden decline of their civilization following the Bronze Age collapse\n\nThe bad:\n>May have practiced limited Human sacrifice"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts Sparta for me"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe a random literal who city state in SEA"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMedieval Iceland or Ireland could be comfy depending on the period"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAncient Greece or Rome. Ancient Ireland would have also been comfy if not for the constant German invasions."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nNice.\n\n>>1 (OP)\nThuleans and Hyboreans."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInca Empire"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Destroys all social classes\n>Abolishes money\n>Collectivize all the means of production\nSomehow this guy came the closest to achieving true communism, all in record time."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo those were the good points, now for the bad points..."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis guy just proves that achieving late state communism is possible.\nHe also proves it's not actually a good idea."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Khmer Rouge is the craziest fucking thing honestly. How did such a fucking insane ideology exist, kill millions and come crashing down all within such a timeframe. It is literally a state you'd find on some obscure redditor's political fiction."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt is. And for a time nobody knew exactly who was ruling the country, since people weren't sure if Saloth Sar and Pol Pot were the same person. The fact that nobody knew exactly how Angkar was controlled is probably the strangest thing about all of this."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>agrarian socialism\nObviously retarded"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIt’s literally what communism calls for"}, {"id": 8, "content": "bugs should stay away from german books"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly he did so autocratically. True Communism™ is supposed to divest power from all ruling classes and invest that power to everyone who collectively decide to abolish class, private property, money, and eventually government itself."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nFor me, it's that one African Warlord who abolished money, executed everyone with glasses, and held the executions in a stadium that blared \"Those Were the Days\" at max volume 24/7."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>50% communism is a shitshow.\n>75% communism is intolerable\n>90% communism is hell on earth with mass famines and state terror\n>But 100% communism will be a blissful paradise.\n\nThis is literally what communists have to believe. For us capitalists it's easy. Economic freedom positively correlates with gdp per capita along with pretty much every other desirable metric."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nEquatorial Guinea I think. It used to be one of the most well developed countries in Africa before him."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>>10\nThe Dreg guy from Ethiopia?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\nWar and massacres are nothing out of the ordinary. As a warlord he captured a city full of people he had little use for, the Mongols would have probably killed them all, but Pol Pot had other ideas, he would convert them from \"bourgeois\" to \"proletariat\" by marching them out of their decadent city and trying to impose his idea of the idyllic peasant lifestyle on them as per his ideology, though in practice many were simply killed.\n\nWhat is more astonishing is that Pol Pot came from an affluent background educated in Europe and did a complete 180 adopting the role of a warlord in the boondocks. It was the equivalent of someone from /pol/ joining the Wagner group, managing to usurp the leadership and form a little fiefdom in Luhansk and Donetsk until the entire world, communists and capitalists alike, turned against him."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nWhat is the issue with glasses?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nThis, it’s like some Judge Holden shit, a bizarre prehistoric cult of a war lord made reality in a modern world. And on top of it, pissant midwit intellectual worms squirmed around it and found way to praise and excuse its existence.\n\nHell unleashed, ideology turned into a natural disaster, like a tsunami rolling in out of no where and killing millions causing some who witness it to gawk at its awesome power."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nHe wanted to kill every intellectual and figured that the only people who wear glasses are intellectuals."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">destroys all social classes\nno he didn't, what do you think \"new people\" were?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n\"economic freedom\" is either a floating concept that means nothing in particular or it's gamed as hell.\nThe economic freedom index took a bunch of things rich countries had and poor countries don't (including ones like \"low corruption\" which seem if anything anti-correlated with their preferred policies), added in a couple things they're trying to push because it makes the capitalist class even richer, and voila, an index where rich countries are in top - including one famous for social democracy and one where the government owns all land."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis guy would've done the same thing if he got his way."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nNot sure if trying to convert me or convince me that kikestianity is a failed empty promise just like communism."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">destroys all social classes\nAnd replaces them with new classes. Oh, but because the lower classes tended to end up dead, I guess it's fine."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI think his point is that religions are all alike, whether you worship a crucifix or the hammer and sickle."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown\n>We must suffer and delay gratification until we become wealthy\nThis is the version we're all on now."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nExcept that is generally what happens for people. It's only very recently that the process of accumulating wealth has broken down due to various factors. Throughout most of the 20th century people got wealthier the longer they lived, and most people wound up as homeowners with decent net worth and a comfortable retirement."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Yeah man, I'm wealthy. I ate TWO Big Macs today. Not one, but TWO... WITH large fries. God bless America. God bless Israel."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nAnyone that thinks you can get rid of classes by centralising wealth is a retard."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>>25\n>>26\nI think this is cope due the fact that you are poor because you expected wealth to fall into your lap by browsing 4chan.\n\nOur generation ended up richer than boomers were at our age. Stop letting people gaslight you."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>17\n>Proceeds to kill the only people academically distanced enough from reality to possibly consider communism feasible"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Destroys all social classes\nNot true. Only thing he achieved was a class society based on slavery."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>Retard is still drinking the Kool-Aid\nMay as well show a line going up of people entering Heaven successfully over time LMAO."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIs my house Kool-Aid? My second beach home? My car? My loving wife? Is the food I feed my family with Kool-Aid (except in the literal sense on odd occasion)?\n\nNo, it's not, I think that it is you, in fact, who is the one in the cult:\n>I'm not gonna live my life because system is rigged against me.\n>I must suffer and delay gratification.\n>All I have to do is wait for sheeple to wake up until _my_ system takes over.\n\nYou can live in heaven on Earth. Literally you put in minimal effort and you recieve wealth, happiness and prosperity. I think only subhumans who refuse to put in even that minimum are unhappy."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>11\n>For us capitalists it's easy.\n>fuck up, lose all your money, someone will bail you out anyway"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>Is my house Kool-Aid? My second beach home? My car? My loving wife?\nNone of that makes you wealthy. Even Africans without clean water can get that shit. Given that you post here, your wife is probably getting fucked by her boss right now and I'm masturbating to that fact."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n\nSurvival bias. The simply fact is that you are lucky. For everyone who makes it, dozens to hundreds fail. Most people simple don't make it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>>34\n>>35\nThese are the commie basement dwelling dregs that blaspheme on this board"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n\nScientifically proven.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LopI4YeC4I [Embed]"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nWhy are you getting so mad, because your gaslit depression brain fog is finally clearing? The difference is that I can buy a whole African village and farmland around it if I wanted. And secondly that I do, in fact, have clean water access on all my properties (something btw only elite families in Rome had). So it turns out wealth actually does have power, and we have been building a lot of that.\n\n>reaching for straws\nIn fact my wife and I both work from home.\n\nEnjoy your fap though. I hope in your post nut clarity you realise how big the opportunities you've been given really are and that you use them more."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nContinue rotting while I look after my family :)"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\n>Survival bias.\nAre all my friends and colleagues \"survivors\" too? Seems like there's a lot of survivors around. In fact, statistically just slightly more \"survivors\" than boomers.\n> The simply fact is that you are lucky\nThe simple fact is that while you were playing video games in Highschool I was studying philosophy, math and physics. While you were sleeping in, I was going to the gym and getting ahead in sports. While your were banging your head against the desk reading lowwit commie pamphlets in your partyschool degree, I was working 100 hours a week on my Engineering degree.\n\nAnd throughout all of it people kept saying that as a lower class White skinned man I would never find work in this AA hellscape plus other gaslight bullshit which was all true and there, but easy to defy just because of how much dumber and weaker most young adult competition turned out to be. Now I have a great, high paying position and am moving to start my own company with massive moral and network support from the \"boomers\" that lazy millenials love talking shit about.\n\nThe only people that I've seen lose were those that gave up (and literal druggies). The fact is that you were all warned you would face consequences for not working hard in your youth. All of these idealogies are a cope, you would fail in all of them. The psychotic CEOs you hate under Corporatism would be the Party leaders under Communism. You can thrive in just about any system if you work hard."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nThat dude is not even a scientist. He has a degree in science education or something like that."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\nI'm actually a classical liberal with two million dollars in the bank. Not sure why you're so mad, though???\n>>38\n>The difference is that I can buy a whole African village and farmland around it if I wanted.\nI'll believe it when you do it. Until then, you're just LARPing no different from a commie talking about what he's going to do after the revolution.\n>Enjoy your fap though.\nAny videos of you sitting in front of a computer doing spreadsheet work while your wife gets a hysteroscopy in the next room by the plumber?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nElon Musk?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nIncredibly based post"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>I'll believe it when you do it\nYou can do that on a lower middle class income in any relevant country.\n\nHere's a village for 3200 bucks:\nhttps://www.expat.com/en/housing/africa/democratic-republic-of-congo/kinshasa/44-land-for-sale/721799-land-of-18m-20-empty-and-lotis-within-a-concession.html\n\nHere's 92 ha of beautiful farmland for 10k:\nhttps://www.expat.com/en/housing/africa/democratic-republic-of-congo/kinshasa/44-land-for-sale/733648-sale-registered-concession-of-920000m-or-92.html\n\n>>42\n>Any videos of you sitting in front of a computer doing spreadsheet work while your wife gets a hysteroscopy in the next room by the plumber?\nNo, I only use Python sorry. My wife is unironically too attractive to upload for you coomers, you would never be productive again. I still want you fags to win in the end. Just work hard and smart, thanks to tech there are more ways to create wealth than ever before in human history.\n\nStop fapping, go lift, you will get a qt who wakes you up with blowjob every morning in no time."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>9\nSounds like a bad idea. But I geluess I'd prefer no government than a bad government. Rather live under horrible governments like North korea or lawless situation like Somalia? I'd pick Somalia any day."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>No, I only use Python sorry.\nI was just joking about the cuck stuff but now you basically admitted you're a cuck? WTF."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>t. Boomer patrol heavily invest in his 30 years' worth of archaic VBS scripts and multisheet retardation because he couldn't handle abstraction\nI can get ChatGPT to replicate your life's work in a 10 second prompt, who's the cuck now?"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Sihanouk played the Khmer like a fiddle. Guy was smart."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>if you don't play with kiddie shit like Python, you must be a boomer\nYou're NGMI."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no industry\nnot communist"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nLow level programming is for codemonkeys who exist to optimise the ideas of true professionals."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>the alternative to high level codemonkeying is low level codemonkeying\nStill NGMI."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nI never said I don't use C/C++ either, I just said I never use Excell because I have Python.\n\nI do use C less and less though. I just Cythonize or pay pajeets to do it."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol no he didn't, Communism/Socialism is based on materialist development and pushes for complete automation of production.\nThe Khmer Rouge was just a insane cult that had more in common with retarded \"Anarchists\" and CHAZ and their \"primitive living\" fetish than anything."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>40\nDangerously based, true and I hope you drive for more anon, God bless"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>40\n\nSurvival bias again mixed with personal attacks. You don't know me. I too studied philosophy, maths, and physics. While hard work does matter, luck is a more significant factor than you are willing to admit. The importance of luck increases with the number of applicants. Consider the number of applicants for astronauts. Out of 18,300 only 11 were chosen. Even with something like 5% being related to luck and everything else down to skill and hard work, it means you are extremely lucky with only 1,6% of the astronauts being chosen due skill and hard work alone. It is an useful delusion, I'll give you that. Otherwise why would you even bother? Admitting that luck played a factor actually makes you more likeable and humble."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, true communism. Becoming the Borg. A nightmare. Even he himself drank his own kool-aid. Pol Pot basically means \"Citizen #1\". I understand the perils of selfishness and rampant individualism, but for heaven's sake, you don't have to go full retard the other direction either."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>18\n>>22\nThe new people were in the process of being eliminated anyway."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>54\n>C/C++\nPutting a slash between them essentially confirms that you're a dimwit and you have to pay pajeets for their time because they know more than you.\n>I just Cythonize\nYeah, now you're in another level of retardation."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndeed, he was arguable the closest and more dedicated to achieving communism. Yet he is also the one person in which communists most disassociate from and deny his ideology."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>16\nThe Kid deserved it."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>32\nNo, what is koolaid is thinking you will be able to pass on your wealth to future generations."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nWhatever fag, I don't care about programming, you guys are below labrats even. It's something only students and low wage workers do. Not researchers and managers.\n\n>>63\nWhat prevents me from buying physical Platinum and burying it in the backyard? You are delusional."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>10\n>>12\n>>13\nFrancois Nguema"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>19\nLand ownership isn't economic activity, it's rentierism. Having economic freedom and controlling land are not mutually exclusive.\nAlso, the EFI has \"government size\" ratings (tax burden, government spending) which poor countries often do very well on despite otherwise low scores."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>unknown\nNapoleon was the literally Hitler of his time."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>11\nGDP is a meme because infinite growth makes no sense, but sure, we can use better goals and metrics in the future\n>>33\nBailouts are feeding socialism specifically"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>41\n...he has a phd in physics"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nneed to correct myself here, he has a phd in \"physics education research \" which indeed is useless garbage but he has a bachelor in engineering, so he's presumably not retarded"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>45\n>python\n>mfw\nyeah i use it too (because it's free) but you don't see me boasting about it"}, {"id": 72, "content": "hes the leader of the regressive left"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEveryone agrees Pol Pot was a psychopath today, but Mao is still praised and he wasn't that much different.\n\n>Hundred Flowers Campaign\n>Four Pests Campaign\n>Great Leap Forward\n>Cultural Revolution\nand let's not forget\n>Down to the Countryside Movement\nwhich directly inspired Pol Pot."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>29\nEver see \"Das Leben der Anderen\"?\nReminds me a lot of that. You have the liberal guy who really wants to believe in communism and has had chances to go to West but chooses to stay in the DDR.\nMeanwhile the stasi brass consider him a subversive threat because some* of his writing is anti-authoritarian.\nAs the saying goes, no one kills more commies than other commies."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nThe only difference is that Pol Pot did it all in less than a year while Mao's reign took decades to become the most horrific regime in human history."}, {"id": 76, "content": "I-it was state capitalism, not communism."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nI shit you not there are tankie faggots that actually say this about them:\nhttps://press.syr.edu/supressbooks/253/from-rice-fields-to-killing-fields/"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>tankies (i.e. pro-Soviet commies in the Sino-Soviet split) don't like a mautist regime backed like the literal CIA\nimagine that"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nThat wasn't my point lol. My point was there are still commies out there claiming the Khmer Rouge weren't rEaL cOmMuNiSm"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\ncompare what Marx and Lenin thought of cities and the urban proletariat to what Pol Pot thought of them\nit's supposed to be workers and peasants, typically with the former in the dominating role, not \"peasants only and we kill all the workers\""}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nLenin had his own famine and Red Terror, he wasn't any different. Their differences were of scale, not essence."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>both these governments killed people, therefore they were the same\nLenin ruled from a city, anon. The famine was the result of a long war plus the cities squeezing the countryside too hard. The red terror was carried out by proles, not against them."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n>Lenin dindu nuffin even though he shut down the Constitutional Assembly after his party lost the only free elections the Soviet Union ever had, created the NKVD to purge dissidents and ordered to requisiton grain from peasants causing the famine\nYou sound a lot like the guy who wrote this book >>77"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nIt is cartoonish how evil and retarded they were. Actually using “glasses=smart” logic and shit."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiteral CIA asset, the Cambodian genocide is 100% America's fault. God bless Vietnam and the Soviet Union for pushing this CIA faggot out to the hills."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nwhat I said was that Lenin's regime had a vastly different social base than Pol Pot's. The people from the capital were the people doing the requisitioning in the USSR's case, and the USSR favored aggressive modernization in the hopes of overcoming scarcity through technology.\nWhile in the Khmer Rouge, the people from the capital were the ones genocided, and Pol Pot instead favored Uncle Ted's social vision.\nI did not say that Lenin dindu nuffin. Learn to read."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>57\nAre you just qouting the video? Most middle class professional jobs are not as competative as astronaut training and will get you to your parents' level of wealth faster than joining NASA."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\n>Literally openly supported by the CCP\n>It'S mUrIcA's FaUlT!?!\n\nWhen will you neonationalist ricedicks find less pathetically obvious grifting tactics?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nthe CCP and America were allied in that period anon.\nAnd both opposed the People's Republic of Kampuchea, the Vietnamese-backed socialist state which ended the killing fields and reduced the Khmer Rouge to guerilla warfare along the Thai border. It took Real Communism to oust Pol Pot."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>at least 90% of the foreign aid which the Khmer Rouge received came from China, including at least US$1 billion in interest-free economic and military aid in 1975 alone."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "> As for those who reached my frontier, their seed is not, their heart and their soul are finished forever and ever. As for those who came forward together on the seas, the full flame was in front of them at the Nile mouths, while a stockade of lances surrounded them on the shore, prostrated on the beach, slain, and made into heaps from head to tail."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Rain down frog"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nSo what does this do for people that don't know that this refers to the sea people"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nthat too. egyptians would not have been fazed by a rain of frog, because their ritual cleanliness rules weren't treating frogs as unclean, unlike those of the jews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">We’ll be home by Christmas\n>Everything will be fine when Steiner attacks"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">the British are a nation of shop kee...ACK"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwho are you quoting"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI think that’s from Napoleon"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe stab in the back myth is hands down the greatest cope in history."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">We only need to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down\n>Doesn't\n>DER KRIEG IST VERLOREN"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I think France in ww2 are the biggest cope\n\n>We were part of the allies\n>Allies invade French Syria\n>Allies invades French Madagascar\n>Allies invade French Morocco\n>Allies destroy French Mediterranean fleet\n>French attack allied Gibraltar\n>Allies repatriate French soldiers evacuated to Britain\n>Allies exclude Charles De Gaulle from every big meeting\n>Allies exclude France from its nuclear program"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nI was specifically thinking quotes like the ones I gave"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Everything will be fine when Steiner attacks\nHitler never said this. Are you a child who believes movies are real?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nHe did order Steiner to attack the Soviets with a bunch of kids and old men and declare the war was lost after hearing of his refusal. You can read about it in Beevor's Berlin: The Downfall 1945."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nit wasnt a myth and it was rather explicit given how a jew literally caused the swine famine."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christbros... We won.\n\n\"But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him.\" (1 Corinthians 2:9)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthem that love HER*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeird how I dont remember time when I was atheist felt almost like being robot or something"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nProbably because you're an NPC that has can't properly function without external programming."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\ntell me were we on the moon ?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nI was dead in my sins, but Jesus gave me new life.\n\n\"The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.\" (John 6:63)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nMy flock,too far gone,now you are a plague - J.C"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Remember, they were not, if you are actually mentally sane and not a faggot or tranny, you would know.\n\nFuck you, you will never change history you kid loving faggots\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did all these people believe they were?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI want to see OP address this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI’m not OP, and I don’t think statements like “the ancient Greeks were gay” or “they weren’t gay” are sensible statements to make, but are you gonna trust people from the 1800’s and early/mid 1900’s to be accurate sources of information on the sexual attitudes of ancient Greeks?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI amend what I said. I didn’t notice that there were more ancient sources on the bottom of the image. I wish to exit the conversation and not be taken as anyone authoritative until I read up a bit more."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nObviously “they were gay” is a stupid statement. “Pederasty was a common and generally accepted part of their social life” is closer to the truth"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>someone was so butthurt over the Leater Apron video that he made this\nLol pathetic. Not to mention that the West is far more gay today than ancient Greece. Never once in history did you have leaders threatening to sanction countries over gay sex"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe only way we could be gayer than ancient Greece would be if:\n1. we worshiped a bunch of faggot gods\n2. every founding founder was a faggot who enshrined faggotry into the constitution\n3. all of our most famous generals were faggots\n4. all of our best and most canonical writers were faggots (well, this is true...)\n5. when people talked about love they talked primarily about faggot love instead of hetero love"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nthat's more because of changing norms of international politics than greater/lesser levels of homosexuality, Greek attitudes were more like \"barbarians gonna barbar\" and they didn't have much concept of sanctions anyway"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nGayreek cope"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the history of Marian veneration? Was it practiced by the early church? Is it pagan? I'm a protestant who's currently torn between protestantism, catholicism, orthodoxy and Torah observance"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMary prophesied it herself. \"All nations shall call me blessed.\" How one goes about it is another thing, but depictions of her are as old as the catacombs."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It was practiced off of the undercurrent of Goddess-centered cults in the hellenic world at the time.\nJust be high church protestant and you can keep Marian adoration without serving satan and his pedophilic clergy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is it pagan?\nas the rest of christianity and judaism\ni recommend to scroll at least thru wiki on Egyptian gods and Sumerian/Babylonian gods\n\"abrahamism\" seems to be offshoot of Atenism - Egyptian monotheism"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Yes, Marian veneration was practiced in the early church. Sub tuum praesidium, a Marian devotion, dates back to the 3rd century."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>woman existted in paganismtherefore Mary is pagan\nthis is like saying God is a pagan concept"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n> God is a pagan concept\nyes\n>woman\nparallels is much deeper"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>It was practiced off of the undercurrent of Goddess-centered cults in the hellenic world at the time.\nSome practices may be, but not Mary's importance in the Church. She was honored not just for being the mother of Christ, but mother of the Church. When Jesus at his crucifixion told John \"Behold your mother!\", it wasn't a mere an instance of a dying man (who would not truly die) handing off practical concerns of his mother's care to a disciple. He was speaking to all of his disciples."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Hi, I'm a faggot and must announce my disease everywhere I go\nMake another thread."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's rooted in the Bible and the most early days of Christianity. Mary was present for Jesus' birth, ministry, death, and resurrection. Nobody on earth was closer to Jesus than Mary. Mary didn't die when Jesus died, she was with the Apostles and the early Church, in particular St John. She may have even had a part in informing the Gospel of John."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>idea of god precede monotheism\n>even monotheistic god precede abrahamic version of monotheism\n>entire abrahamism is a secondary mishmash of older traditions misinterpretated by jewish clergy to create judeocentric cosmology"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Live in a pagan world\n>People don't want to abandon their goddesses for your sausagefest cult\n>\"Here you go pagans, you can create graven images of, pray to and write hymns for the blessed holy mother of Jesus. But remember, we're monotheists if anyone asks it's veneration, not worship ;)\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Here you go pagans\nindeed"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarian veneration refers to the special honor and devotion given to Mary, the mother of Jesus, in Christian tradition. The history of Marian veneration can be traced back to the early centuries of Christianity.\n\nIn the early church, Mary was primarily venerated as the mother of Jesus, and her role in the incarnation was highly esteemed. The early Christians believed that Mary was chosen by God to be the mother of Jesus, and that she played a significant role in God's plan of salvation. However, the form of Marian veneration during this period was different from what is seen in modern Catholicism.\n\nOver time, the veneration of Mary developed into a more elaborate and formalized practice within the Catholic Church, including the use of titles such as \"Mother of God\" and \"Queen of Heaven,\" and the development of Marian doctrines such as the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption. The practice of praying to Mary and asking for her intercession also became more widespread.\n\nIn the Orthodox Church, Marian veneration has been a part of their tradition since the early centuries of Christianity as well, but it is expressed in a different way than in Catholicism. Orthodox Christians honor Mary as the Theotokos, or God-bearer, and consider her to be the most exalted of all human beings, but they do not use some of the titles and doctrines that are present in Catholicism.\n\nAs for the question of whether Marian veneration is pagan, it is important to note that the veneration of Mary has its roots in Christian tradition and is not a pagan practice. However, some critics of Marian veneration have suggested that it bears similarities to pagan goddess worship. Nevertheless, the veneration of Mary has always been understood within the context of Christian theology and is not a form of goddess worship."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nIs there anything earlier than the 3rd century? I know it's early in the grand scheme of things, but for doctrinal development it seems a bit late to me"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">and Torah observance\nCurious, why?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nHe wants to be a Jew"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI got that much, but... why?\nIt's not particularly fun to observe all of the laws that at times seem either contradictory or just pointless."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nOP here. I've seen some people make arguments that Torah is still applicable today. I see both sides of the debate and while I'm leaving to the view that the law is not for today, I've seen some convincing texts like Jesus saying he has not come to abolish thr law and to teach them."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nFuck off ChatGPT shill"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was it practiced by the early church?\nThat's what they say, as the Roman Catholic Church loves to claim the early church in its orthodox totality, but I consider claims in favor of the practice being widespread before around the 3rd century at the earliest to be spurious. Most likely, some of the Christians from the first few centuries were still overtly familiar with Greco-Roman ways, which seeped into some of their practices. I am quite sure it happened then, as it still happens with Christians too influenced by their secular or formerly Pagan lives, now."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\nNo, the pre-nicene, original church, viewed her as a minor character in the Bible. Ireneaus suggested that she was still very pivotal tho because she confirmed to have Jesus. That if she said no, that perhaps we wouldn't have him. And in that light, she is like a co-redeemer. That Catholic church later on used his words and ran with them. Certainly he never would have put them to paper if he knew how they'd twist them into worshipping her. They point to Irenaus' co-redeemer reference as a basis for their Mary elevation to Jesus' level."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nThe Protevangelium of James (c. AD 150)\nhttps://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm\n\nIrenaeus, Against Heresies (c. AD 180)\nhttps://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103519.htm\n\nThere is also archaeological evidence to suggest the term \"Theotokos\" to be used in the very early church, as it still is in the Greek churches today."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nIt's a contradictive narrative in the Bible. Jesus says Torah law will be in place, down to every jot and tittle, until everything is complete (including coming back as the Lion of Judah that has yet to happen). But then, himself, removes things like eye for an eye. And of course Paul says the law is irrelevant to salvation as a whole. The best way to look at the Bible is as if it's a newspaper of the time. If you consider it perfect, you will have to cherry pick and then lie about the contradictions. And that's a bad road to go down."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\nYou seem interested in pre-Nicene history. That's very good. Don't let anyone lie to you about it. Here is a decent reference arrange topic to topic.\n\nearlychristiandictionary.com\n\nAlso, here is a fantastic lecture on a related topic. This whole channel is full of great discussions on the pre-nicene church. Worth a listen to all of them if you have the bug to learn.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/kh65VvPhJcY [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>There is also archaeological evidence to suggest the term \"Theotokos\" to be used in the very early church, as it still is in the Greek churches today.\nIf used, it was still not very universal, and the term Theotokos remained contentious into the 5th century, by which the Church of the East established their preference for the term Christotokos (Christ-Bearer rather than God-Bearer) to apply to Mary."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who should've triumphed here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The norge and the norman are switched."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHarold unironically"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Jimmy Savile"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEasily Godwinson."}, {"id": 6, "content": "The good guy won, nigger"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPay Per View Event"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Normans, the french may not like it but thanks to them half of their country was ruled by English men\nNobody speaks their language anymore other than Africans they have no empire no colonies\nThey are vile twisted rat like ugly people moulded by liberalism and greed\nOh how the mighty fell\nAnd oh how sweet it is"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndo you think the normans would laugh if they knew what the future of france would be like?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Normans were on a mission from God\nAlso Harold Godwinson was unironically an illegitimate usurper"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAssemble the Fyrd."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Hardrada or Godwinson if you'd rather England be more of a Scandi country mixed with Scotland.\nWilliam if you like what it became.\n\nImo Hardrada is a more interesting person so him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In a time prior to public transit, people walked everywhere, for all a person’s necessities were a few steps away. Why are amenities, luxuries, and necessities spaced far apart? Why not have foot-friendly mini capitalist mall housing?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrains are for niggers and need to be outlawed"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncapitalism and city life is the root of evil"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>foot-friendly mini capitalist mall housing?\nI hate burgers so damn much."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHomo"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nWhat's wrong with letting people trade with each other?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">as long as you’re not hurting anyone!\nWhat are the flaws to this popular moral code?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone, incel."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt makes certain people seethe because the things that \"don't hurt anyone\" still hurt their feelings."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nAdult-child sex is ok then too right? Since it doesn't hurt anyone?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChecked, and STDs. Gays spread them like wildfire so they ARE a public health issue."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt hurts the child. There are much better arguments against the “as long is it doesn’t hurt anyone” argument."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nAnon... That's not ok because it hurts the child.\nAre you a secret nonce or something? This should be obvious."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nHow does it hurt the child?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nMentally and possibly physically, nonce-kun."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWhy would loving mutually pleasurable consensual sex hurt them?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBecause they aren't mentally ready for it. Consult common symptoms of mental harm in these children, like smearing shit on walls, sexual bullying of their peers, self harm, and acting out in general."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>9\n>it hurts the child\nWrong\nCSA does not result in significant lifelong harm\nhttp://www.czyborra.com/pedofiles/sexuologen/rbt1998.pdf"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>Because they aren't mentally ready for it\nWhy would they say yes if they weren't ready? Shouldn't they decide if they're ready?\n>Consult common symptoms of mental harm in these children, like smearing shit on walls, sexual bullying of their peers, self harm, and acting out in general.\nIt was real in your mind\nAnswer me this, if sex with children is so harmful why do so many pedophiles think it's ok? Shouldn't they know better?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>9\n>>11\n>>13\n>harm\nThe harm comes from the psychological trauma of people being told to be ashamed for being “taken advantage of.” Arguments appealing to consent and age of consent fail because they’re social constructions and forcing people to adhere to your ideas is cultural imposition."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt looks like this thread serves as an effective demonstration, lmao"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt implies that consent is the only factor in morality. If two people agree to do something immoral, such as having promiscuous sex, it doesn't mean it is now a moral good. Another flaw is that it does not account for spiritual or psychological harm. For example, I can \"consent\" to watching pornography, but it still does harm in a non-material way."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nIncorrect. It doesn’t harm the child. However, it doesn’t mean it’s okay to do that with a child due to reasons as argued by many moral frameworks."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen a society doesn't police itself it melts."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nExplain why it's wrong"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>17\ntrips of truth"}, {"id": 21, "content": "it's not sufficient to demonstrate that a behavior is actually moral"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>4\nWhat the fuck is wrong with you?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nI have the bravery to speak out against injustice and unfair persecution of innocent people"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\n>if rape is so harmful why do so many rapists think it's ok?"}, {"id": 25, "content": "OP is a pedo."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nThroughout most of history, men married young women. Age of consent is a modern meme. You’re ignoring biological realities with your ethnocentric idiocy."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nRapists don't think it's ok they just don't care. Pedophiles think child love is ok and adamantly argue it. Explain why"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nThroughout most of history, men didn't consummate marriages with 12yo brides like in your sick pedo fantasies."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nBecause they're delusional and think that it will go over better than advocating for rape."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>strawman\nThroughout most of history, men like you were illiterate."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nMany men did, and younger too. Did they do something wrong? Why?\n>>29\nHave you considered the possibility that you're just being bigoted?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>Rapists don't think it's ok\nSome do.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEpZMUR32XU [Embed]"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nSorry MAP, I didn't realize that I was hurting your feelings."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>9\n>>11\n>>22\n>>28\n>>29\n>>33\n>ethnocentric\n>cultural imperialism\n>non-existent reasoning\n>blind adherence to novel norms and social constructs"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood is not the absence of evil.\nEvil is the absence of good."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What are the flaws to this popular moral code?\nNothing, except people have an incomplete and subjective view of what actually qualifies as hurting others. Degrading yourself morally and diminishing your own capacities, i.e. by doing heroin, hurts the survivability and prosperity of the entire group. This is enhanced in certain settings, which is why militaries have fitness standards and moral codes—if you are weak then the people who depend on you for their safety are harmed by you being weak. The same principle applies to society at-large and you thus have an affirmative obligation to make yourself a productive and morally upstanding citizen, else you're simply draining resources and decreasing your fellow-citizens' welfare/survivability."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>unironically taking the \"whities are racist because they oppress pedos\" angle\nIs this some elaborate false flag?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nnobody is harping about race but you\nnice red herring"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nYou didn't hurt my feelings, I would have to care what you think for that to happen. You are a bigot though. Tell me specifically why *I* think it's ok? Am I delusional? I used to think it was wrong just like you. I changed my mind because I realized that I didn't want to hurt children, I just wanted to make them feel good. I'm not the cartoon villain you think I am. If you were being a bigot how would you know?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nYeah sorry I know that's just peripheral to the real issue of you being unable to legally fuck little kids and having to treat your sexual frustration with CP."}, {"id": 41, "content": "Why are there so many pedophiles on 4chan?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nI am reporting this thread to the FBI as we speak."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll selfish and self-enriching actions hurt someone, even if you don’t think they are. You cannot do good without the spirit of goodness in your actions, and God is the essence of goodness."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>3\n>It makes certain people seethe because the things that \"don't hurt anyone\" still hurt their feelings.\n>>4\n>Adult-child sex is ok then too right? Since it doesn't hurt anyone?\n\n>>6\n>>7\n>>22\n>>25\n>>28\n>>33\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\nLMAO.... it seems like a lot of people had their feelings hurt in this thread"}, {"id": 45, "content": "what a controversial and shocking thread! you're very edgy and cool op xD"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>4\n>immediately uses an example that directly supports what he's arguing against\n/pol/trannies just can't stop losing"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What are the flaws to this popular moral code?\n\neveryone interprets this as being about consentual sex between adults so i'll give an example regarding this.\nimagine a scenario of where incest happens between two consenting adults, lets say a brother and a sister, let's say there is no abuse of power or hierarchy and no pregnancy can result from this, this scenario checks the \"if no one is hurt\" but if you were to imagine yourself as a part of this would feel sick and disgusted.\nthat's how people viewed gay sex for most of history and that's how you would too if you weren't indoctrinated. homosexuality should make you have the same reaction as incest or bestiality even if \"it doesn't hurt anyone\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nIncest is hot. Neck yourself, moralnigger."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>but if you were to imagine yourself as a part of this would feel sick and disgusted\nBut I'm not part of it so it's not my problem if some random siblings I don't know are fucking."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>8\nI have several friends who were raped as kids. They’re quite fucked in the head as a result."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nNobody was talking about rape"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nAn adult fucking a kid is rape. Tell me, should a child be allowed to do thing like but drugs, or make significant financial decisions?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThat's a red herring drugs and money have nothing to do with sex. But since you asked yes, a child is able to consent to them. \"Yes\" is consent, yes means yes. That doesn't mean it's wise to let them do those things just because they can consent to do them, but there's no reason why sex should similarly be excluded. It objectively is not rape when the child is willing even if you decide it is immoral it is not rape"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nYou believe a child should legally be allowed to buy drugs and make financial decisions?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nNo."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt can be hard to determine when something is indirectly hurting others. A kinda shitty example is when they used to have lead in gasoline."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>39\nYou should seriously consider suicide if this isn't a larp."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nI think a good example would be fat people and addicts making the lives of everyone around them worse."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>10\nBecause they can't consent, retardo."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nWhy do you hate me? I'm a human being just like you Anon, I've never done anything to you I was just born with a different sexual orientation"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nThey can say yes"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nYep, depending on your insurance plan, being unhealthy will raise insurance costs for everyone. If you live in a place with Universal healthcare, you are effectively making others pay for your obesity."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>4\nI love how politics have devolved into who can make their opponents look like a pedo first"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nIt isn't a sexual orientation you disgusting retard, it is a sick fetish based on the innocence of childhood. You can keep trying to convince people it is somehow a sexual orientation, but at the end of the day, the majority of fathers will murder you if you abuse their child. I know I would kek."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nWhy have I always been like this?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nYou haven't. At one point you were a kid that was attracted to other kids your age, then your brain didn't fucking fully develop for some reason as you aged. You weren't always a goddamn adult that wanted to fuck kids retard. Get that through your sick skull and try and get help. Can I ask you something, do you do any drugs?"}, {"id": 67, "content": "Isn't it just a rehashing of the Golden rule"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nNo I don't do drugs. You just admitted I always wanted to fuck kids so tell me why I've always been like this?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nYou’re saying that as a kid, you wanted to have sex? Are you sure some pedo didn’t rape you when you were young?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nYes and yes. I've always been like this. No adult ever did anything to me."}, {"id": 71, "content": "The definition of \"hurting someone\" can be subjective and vary depending on cultural and individual beliefs. What one person may consider harmless, another may view as harmful. This can lead to disagreements and conflicts about what is acceptable behavior.\n\nThe effects of our actions can be difficult to predict, and even well-intentioned actions can unintentionally harm others. Therefore, it is not always easy to know if we are truly not hurting anyone.\n\nFocusing solely on the idea of \"not hurting anyone\" can lead to a narrow and individualistic view of morality. It may overlook the importance of promoting the well-being and flourishing of others and the broader community.\n\nThe moral code of \"as long as you're not hurting anyone, it's okay\" can be used to justify a range of behaviors that may not be morally acceptable, such as selfishness, apathy, and indifference towards the suffering of others.\n\nThe moral code of \"as long as you're not hurting anyone, it's okay\" may not address larger systemic issues that contribute to harm and suffering in society, such as inequality, discrimination, and environmental degradation."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>16\n>anything is acceptable as long as it is not harmful\n>anything is acceptable as long as it does not violate consent\nThese are two different moral standards, you aren't responding to the one OP stated"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>18\nPunishing harmful actions is societal self policing"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>26\n>You’re ignoring biological realities with your ethnocentric idiocy.\nSo we can at least say that sex with prepubescent children is unacceptable?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>47\n>but if you were to imagine yourself as a part of this would feel sick and disgusted\nSo incest (in the ideal scenario) would only be bad for people that already don't want to commit incest. Do you not think that there's a single human somewhere who isn't disgusted by incest? Or are other people's private actions bad because they would disgust me or the majority."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>12\nhttps://doi.org/10.1016/S2215-0366(19)30286-X"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nExplain why it's unacceptable"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no flaw --- mind your own &^%$#@) business!"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnions"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit assumes that humans are autonomous islands not dependig on each others for society to function"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>4\nIt hurts the child.\nYou know this."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActual serious non-pedo answer.\n\nBecause being hurt is largely subjective. Obviously we can all agree that getting your arm cut off is going to hurt, although even as I’m typing this I’m remembering apotemnophilia, which is where you have a desire to get your limbs amputated. There was a surgeon who did this procedure in healthy people, turns out one of his patients had an amputee fetish, and eventually the surgeon was shut down and declared unethical. Point is, there’s lots of things that exist in a grey area. Trans operations are a topical one. And then if I say something you take offence to, I’m hurting you, but is that immoral? Some would say yes, but sometimes you have to suffer a bit of pain in the short term to survive long term. Same reason why exercise and diet is important. Do exercise and diet hurt? Maybe not as much as a bullet wound, but yes I think so. Are they good for you? Also yes."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nWho cares if some freaks want to mutilate themselves? This should not take away autonomy more most normal people."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">as long as it's not hurting anyone"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nI know right wingers use that pic as some gotcha but that's kinda disproves them big time and makes me believe that trannies in schools wouldn't bring on end of days and they have always cried wolf."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\n>as long as it's not hurting anyone"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\n>doesn’t understand sarcasm"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nYou mean it hurts you to see non-whites out and about?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"hurting\" is not always bad, and \"hurting\" is not always detectable.\nFor example, being swingers may be acceptable for those individuals involved, but it sets a bad example and causes a decay of social institutions which provide stability, this can lead to psychological pain.\n\nYou are not entitled to have fun\nYou do not have a right to have fun\nYou do not have a right to be free\n\nIf you feel you have these things because you simply want them\nThen you are in not position to criticize someone who begrudges you them or takes them from you."}, {"id": 90, "content": "I'm so fucking glad pedos get stomped in prison. You're so disgusting even criminals hate you."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe type of retarded cunts who say that would go into hysterics and start screaming and crying if you said the nigger word to them, or really anything they found highly offensive. It's nothing more than a lame attempt to avoid criticism for their behavior."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>84\nAll of that happened though, objectively."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>5\nLuckily there’s such a thing as condoms."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCausing disgust causes hurt."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe flaw is how 'harm' is defined, nor is there a built in acknowledgement that there may be other responsibilities as well\n\nit works if you include the idea of hurting through inaction as well as by action.\n\nfor example smoke a little weed is fine, smoke so much you cant for example look after a dependent isnt but would be if you had taken prior action to ensure the welfare of the dependent.\n\n\n>>47\nthats a fucking horrible comparison, incest is frowned upon because of the general taboo against inbreeding we would still be disgusted in your scenario because that taboo is really deep seated and bypasses the rational parts of our brains\n\nhomophobia likewise is deep seated and reinforced by religious taboo, there is no rational reason to be homophobic, the issue is far t many people refuse to be rational because their feelings tell them otherwise, but if two guys want to fuck eachother who does it harm to let them?\n\nas for bestiality it runs right into the same deep seated biological disgust for sexual activity that doesnt result in healthy offspring with the added issue of it does harm the animal and the animal cannot consent."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>47\n>that's how people viewed gay sex for most of history\nSource?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nIt's how people still view it today and this is the most accepting time in all history. Homosexual acts carried the death sentence in many cultures, and was at the very least considered shameful in pretty much all of them. But you already knew that and are just being a cunt."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's fine - if it's true and that's a pretty big \"if\". The problem is that here in real life, slippery slopes exist."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>4\nKids getting molested causes their brains to develop abnormally"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\n>Homosexual acts carried the death sentence in many cultures\nIn what cultures? I can only think of high medieval to early modern western Europe, and I suppose the empire of the Aztecs\n>was at the very least considered shameful in pretty much all of them\nSource?\n>But you already knew that and are just being a cunt.\nNo, I'm disabusing you of chud delusions"}, {"id": 101, "content": "W-well you see I did lots of armchair sociology based on things I half-learned from Wikipedia and school and I decided that doing ___ hurts society itself, so therefore it should be illegal even though no material harm can be demonstrated..."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nNot even him but fuck off outsider"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nSeethe retard"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nNice try. Still not fitting in"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\n>4chan is the cool based and trad website where us rightwingers can post without dumb libtards bothering us\nlmao"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>100\nSo if everyone loved fags throughout history then why does all that pride celebration stuff need to be done, bunkerchudcel?"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it okay to let someone engage in drug abuse or self harm if they're not hurting anyone else?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA really big one is that it doesn't explicitly define what harm is. Does harm include emotional harm? Moral and spiritual harm? Why not, why is it obvious that we shouldn't include those things in our definition of harm?\n\nAnd even if we limit ourselves to physical harm, they have inconsistent standards for this. Is two people consensually sawing each others arms off immoral? Vast majority of utilitarians would hopefully say yes. But is two people choosing to engage in a sexual practice such as sodomy which has been scientifically proven even in pro-sodomy studies to cause damage to the receptive partner's body immoral? Almost 100% of them will tell you that it's no. But what separates the two situations besides degree? And if it's only a matter of degree, what's the threshold at which we have to say that the requisite amount of physical harm is present and whatever act is being considered is immoral?\n\nIt also refuses to recognize harm to society at large or that there might be a contradiction between what brings an individual happiness and what brings society as a whole happiness. Utilitarianism, at least the variety these reddit types believe in, falls into the typical liberal trap of thinking that there's perfect harmony between the social good and the self-interested free action of atomized individuals, that the latter leads to the former."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>91\nOkay, whitey."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\ngood one bro"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>106\nBecause evil Europeans hated homos and spread their hate around the world (unironically)"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nAren't you the same type of clown that claims ancient Greeks and Romans were le gay? At least be consistent if you're gonna be wrong and stupid."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>100\n>I can only think of high medieval to early modern western Europe\nIn my ancient pre-Christian native culture, the punishment for being a faggot was being thrown in the bog."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>111\nthis, but completely ironically"}, {"id": 115, "content": "There are no flaws to it, the only people who think there are any flaws to that logic want to murder everyone who doesn't make 100k a year and has white skin."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nSo if a dude took out his dick and started stroking it next to you on the train while smearing shit all over his face and muttering racial slurs, that's fine because he's not hurting you, correct?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\n>that's fine because\n\nI never said it's fine, but this isn't a good faith discussion retard, the people who are critical of the liberal morality demonstrated in the OP are actual Nazis who want to either turn my country into Nazi Germany or into something like modern Russia, and they should eat the end of a shotgun barrel."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nUhh... what? I think you're a nutjob."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>113\n>my ancient pre-Christian native culture\ndios mio El señor goblinez"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n>doesn't answer the question\n>randomly starts seething about da nazis\nThis bunkercel faggot is utterly mindbroken, kek."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nExactly the kind of braindead NatSoc /pol/yp response I expect."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>118\n>Uhh... what?\n\nKill yourself /pol/goloid."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">bunkercel having yet another crybaby tantrum because he ran out of arguments yet again\npfft hahahahaha"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nYou will never have a white ethnostate."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\nYou need to see a shrink."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">You will never have a white ethnostate."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nNo, the person(e.g you) who makes these inane thinly-veiled /pol/threads on /his/ needs to see a shrink, or alternatively, kill themselves for being a waste of space."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\nI didn't make the thread, nor is this thread \"/pol/\" nor do I use /pol/. I just joined the thread and asked you a hypothetical question for the sake of argument, and you had a schizophrenic meltdown on me. Seek help for your mental illness immediately."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>117\n>everyone who doesn't support chemically castrating children wants to turn my country into nazi germany\npeople like you are the reason liking hitler isn't controversial anymore. good job faggot"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe \"you're\" of this ideology undermines your influence in both conversation and your immediate culture.\nWhat's typically describes as \"hurting\" typically limits to physical damage, ignoring emotional or sociological harm people can inflict that can snowball to the general masses.\n\nThe only way this moral code truly ultized if the individual has zero influence to those around them (including observation from others), which creates a paradox, because as moral creature, we need social stimuli and are hurt when we don't receive it at some point."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\nI didn't have a shizophrenic meltdown at all, you're just incapable of understanding that this thread's topic question isn't being asked in good faith, the people who make these threads are simply out to get a rise out of people, they don't care an ounce if anything they say is correct or morally defensible, and they don't care about reasoned argumentation."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou're hurting God bitch."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>129\nGood. Please start declaring your support for Hitlerism in daily life."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nAlready been doing it for years now."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\nSure you have lol."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\n>tells me to do something\n>doesn't believe me when I say I do it\nWhat exactly do you want, bro?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\n>THEY ARE CASTRATING THE KIDS, THIS MADE ME A NAZI!!!!!!\n\nYou're a fucking terminally online retard, that's what I think."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>117\nSo basically you want to murder everyone who doesn't make 100k a year and has white skin"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>137\nNot him, but yeah, the nazis were right, we just need a real holocaust thid time."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\n>>THEY ARE CASTRATING THE KIDS, THIS MADE ME A NAZI!!!!!!\nYes, and?\n\n>You're a fucking terminally online retard, that's what I think.\nYou should take a look in the mirror sometime."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">the bunkertard is STILL seething\noh nononono HAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>4\nIt hurts the child. Which is probably why Christians do it all the time."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf an action which hurts someone is bad, regardless And an action which doesnt hurt someone is good or morally neutral regardless, then there is no moral responsibility of the positive, only of the negative. To me not hurting someone seems to be the bare minimun in terms of moral behaviour and is certainly not the only metric by which we can measure morality.\nAlso theres many situations in which not hurting someone is unjust or hurting someone is just, ie punishment or non punishment of criminals."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>105\nYes. Now fuck off shitlib"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>88\nobjectively, yes"}, {"id": 146, "content": "No one in this thread can prove that consensual sex with a minor is bad."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\nKill yourself."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\nIt must suck having an opinion that you can't defend"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\nHypocrisy is the privilege of the powerful pedo loser, I don't have to defend shit."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nBecause you're categorically wrong on all accounts"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nProve it."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>142\nRent free"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\n>Prove a negative\nProve that consensual sex with a minor is bad"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nI don't have to, anymore than I have to prove abusing my spouse is bad or killing my neighbor."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>153\nThe bible says it's immoral to have sex before marriage."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">as long as you are hurting everyone"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>154\n>This thing is bad but I do not need to explain why it is bad, just do what I say\nYou cannot defend your worldview, literal retard"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>155\nFairly valid argument if it says you can't marry children but secularly there's very little. We discard the virtues of virginity in our post religious society."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>153\nIt's bad because normal healthy people will cave your head in with a rock for being a pedo faggot. How's that for an answer?"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>157\nSo you are pro-spousal abuse and murder in addition to pedophilia, what a surprise."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>159\nAnd they'll do the same thing to you for insulting Muhammad in Afghanistan. Responding to this moronic argument is needless, anyway."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>152\n>not even denying it"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>160\nPhysically harming a person who doesn't deserve it is bad, so no. Pedophilia does necessarily not cause that."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\nIt takes you 10 minutes of googling to reveal the mountain of psychological studies that says childhood sexual abuse makes the people who have experienced it profoundly damaged mentally and interpersonally as adults but expecting a pedo to be good faith is expecting too much."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nBecause in most cases they're raped aggressively with little care for their wellbeing, they're also members of a society that says doing that is bad so they develop a nocebo effect and from that more symptoms like depression and self-hatred.\n\nWhy is consensual and painless sex with a minor bad?"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\n>Because in most cases they're raped aggressively with little care for their wellbeing\n\nYou can also painlessly give a toddler heroin in their oatmeal every day and this will make them feel very good until they die of respiratory failure, that doesn't make it a correct thing to do you fucking pedo retard."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>159\n>it bad because me get mad and attack you with club if you do!\nGreat argument, kek"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>155\nWrong. The bible says the sex and marriage are indistinguishable."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>166\nBut consensual and painless sex doesn't cause respiratory failure"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>169\nNo, but according to your nihilistic pedo logic they can consent to take copious amounts of heroin."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>168\nI could literally bury you in bible verses that say the opposite, we both know you've never read the bible. Fornication is a sin."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>158\n>We discard the virtues of virginity in our post religious society.\nLook out for fire and brimstone.."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>117\nIt isn’t hurting you, clearly"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>171\nThe Bible says if you rape someone you then have to marry them."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>170\nNever said that and you just explained why they shouldn't, it causes respiratory failure"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\nThat's because the raped woman would have a very difficult chance of marrying again and wouldn't be able to raise the child well if she had one, so they'd force the rapist to provide for her. Very logical and moralistic for the time. The feminists who take this out of its historic context are pathetic."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>175\nPoint is that something being pleasurable alone doesn't mean minors should engage in it with adults you fucking imbecile. Heroin is very pleasurable too otherwise heroin addicts wouldn't exist, that doesn't mean kids(or anyone else) should take it."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>155\nThe Bible says God made a man from clay and then made a woman from the man's rib and then a talking snake told them to eat the no-no apple and then God got pissed off and cursed all of mankind. This is all in the first few pages, too. Even more insane shit follows in the next few, like God designing human males with a foreskin and then telling them to cut it off, telling men to kill animals and burn them on altars so he can smell it, telling a dude to build an ark with only his immediate family and 2 of every animal, then destroying the entire world with a flood, meaning every single species on the planet including humans is horribly inbred. Again, this is just in the first few chapters. And this is the book you base your morality on."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>178\nDamn straight it is because it is the word of God and there is no other standard by which to judge."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>176\nSo if a guy raped your sister, you'd want her to marry him and spend her life with the rapist? So fucking retarded, kek. Imagine a nigger breaking into your house and raping your sister and then you make her marry him. Ultimate cuck move."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>177\nThe adult wants sex the child wants sex, the problem is easily solved. You're comparing that to a drug that is addictive and ruins lives. There are other things too that are pleasurable, like eating."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>174\nIt actually says if you rape someone your life is forfeit. The requirement to marry is in cases of fornication, but it is still the case that fornication is a sin."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>181\n>the child wants sex\n\nNo they don't. They don't even know what it is you delusional psycho."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>181\nKill yourself pedo scum."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>180\nIf we lived in a desert where the woman would a very low chance of remarrying and had a child to raise a second source of income seems pretty useful, especially when it punishes the person who did it.\n>spend her life with the rapist\nThat's not required at all. In cases where this happens you'd probably have the woman's male relatives telling the rapist what they want done"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounded reasonable until sixty years on we see what it leads to.\n\nWe need to go back."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>183\nHow do you know? They don't know what it is because we live in a weird puritanical society where basic biological functions are kept a secret.\n\n>>184\nDo have you an argument"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>182\nNope, it says that you must marry someone who rapes you. It also says that if no one heard a woman scream when she was raped then she clearly wanted it and should be stoned to death. This shit was written by jewish retards who did retarded dumbfuck rituals like killing a lamb and smearing its blood on their doors so God wouldn't murder their firstborn sons. It's all caveman retarded crap."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>187\n>How do you know?\n\nHow do YOU know? You're just projecting your criminal and disgusting desires onto other people."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>189\nBecause it gives them pleasure and they might want to experience that"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>185\nDoesn't matter where you live, making your sister marry a nigger rapist is demented and cucked. It means if I want your sister, I can just rape her and she's now my wife. Also, the Bible literally says that's what you have to do, so the priests who ruled over you at the time would have forced this to happen whether you wanted it or not, because that's what God supposedly says."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>191\nIf it were a nigger rapist in ancient Israel they'd probably just kill the nigger and wouldn't bother. These laws were written for Jews. You're ignoring the rational reason this law was written, it sounds silly because of our modern culture.\n>so the priests who ruled over you at the time would have forced this to happen whether you wanted it or not\nThen why did they just walk away when Jesus told them to stop stoning the prostitute? Why didn't they kill Jesus immediately for blasphemy? It seems more likely these were used as a guide and they didn't bother to follow it 100% on every occasion."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>190\n>they might want to\n\nMIGHT isn't good enough you abusive freak."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>4\nyes"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>193\nYes, that's why only consensual sex is okay."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>192\nThey did get pissed and kill Jesus for blasphemy, did you read the Bible? It's repeated 4 times in the most popular section (the gospels)."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>196\n>immediately"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>188\n>Nope, it says that you must marry someone who rapes you\nIt would help to actually read the bible instead of listening to fedorian propaganda\nDeuteronomy 22:25-27 \"But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.\"\n>It also says that if no one heard a woman scream when she was raped then she clearly wanted it\nIt has nothing to do with \"she clearly wanted it\" it has to do with standards of evidence. The requirement is not solely that she cry out, that is shorthand for evidence that she was raped. If you have problem with this you should be chanting \"believe women\" with your secular kin\n>This shit was written by jewish retards who did retarded dumbfuck rituals like killing a lamb and smearing its blood on their doors so God wouldn't murder their firstborn sons\nSeethe"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>197\n>they waited a while to kill him by petitioning the government to do it officially so it doesn't count\nThat's your argument?"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>199\nYes, seems to make sense. Why did you avoid answering why they walk away from killing a prostitute just because of Jesus' one liner?"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>198\nNext verse:\n>Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.\"\nCope, seethe, dilate, have sex, etc."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Anyone\" includes yourself and the scope is debatable. Also deciding if something hurts or is harmful allows wiggle room. Most people don't think doing meth or crack is good, yet both arguably fit that moral code"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>200\nBecause they went to the authorities and kvetched until they arrested Jesus and put him to death officially, you stupid fuck. Unbelievable."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>126\nLook at that chud face. I'm surprised he hasn't shot up a school."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>201\nThere's nothing about rape here, the penalty for that would still be death."}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>62\nYou know this is a risk when you sign up for the insurance though."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>205\nWhat does \"seizes her and lies with her\" mean?"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>207\nHas sex with her."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>171\n>when two people copulate they become 1\n>That's marriage according to the ancient egyptians which both Jesus and Paul affrims\n>Jesus said to the samarian woman that she has many husbands despite not being legally married to them"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>208\n\"Lies with\" usually sufficed in the Bible to mean friggin. They never say \"seizes her\" when talking about normal friggin."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>210\n>They never say \"seizes her\" when talking about normal friggin.\nExcept here"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat you are actually hurting someone. Technicallybin a society your actions always have consequences, how severe those are depends. For example, one person starts dumping chemicals in a river they are affecting other people even if they didn't mean to, one person convinces others to be addicted to hard drugs means a negative social change is happening even tho they are all taking a personal action. Depends really how far you wanna take the idea of actions of others affecting you."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople are confusing how the law should operate with how morality should operate. Just because the law can't crack down on you for doing a thing doesn't mean that thing is still moral."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What are the flaws to this popular moral code?\nPresent actions can have bad repercussions in the future. For example, somebody may say “who cares that they are obese, it is not harming you”. However, in the future that obese individual will mostly need medical care due to their unhealthy weight. This takes up scarce resources and time, which could have been utilised on someone else, who may have a health related issue that is no fault of their own. Thus, the person with the medical condition will suffer as a result. This entire situation could have been avoided completely, however, if the obese person lost the weight and actually lived a healthy and more active lifestyle in the first place. This same scenario can be used on STD rates, as well. Which also has the additional problem of possibly causing antibacterial resistance STDs, that may play havoc on the population in the future.\n>TL;DR: Present actions may not cause immediate harm, but they can cause harm in the future."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>195\nbased"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>195\nYou my good gentleman, are very based.\nKeep bringing the light to the puritans."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>118\nSays the nutjob lol"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>179\nMy standard finds it wanting"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>8\nmy willy is impressively large"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the idea of gathering info and learning about Pre-Colonial African History always attached to this other idea that the inherent goal of African Historical studies is to find ways in which Africans are actually secretly better then Europeans or that they were actually more advanced. Really just the general constant need to Put everything in African history in contrast to European History\n\nObviously, I understand there is the background that for a lot of years a lot of black people outside of Africa didn't have access to African history for reasons that were both indirectly and directly due to not having control of their education, so i can understand why Black history may be put in contrast to some original misconceptions about African history, i just find it so frustrating to learn about history with this constant underpinning argument of comparing it to European cultures when both people barely even knew about each other for most of their own histories."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Purely historiographical reasons"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>yet, even if he did idealise, his writings still undermine claims of primitive communism\nYou really have to think what the fuck was Engels smoking when he thought that paleolithic people were basically proto-hippies"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>underpinning argument of comparing it to European cultures when both people barely even knew about each other for most of their own histories.\nI thing it's done due our lack of familiarity with african cultures mix with an overuse of analogies to try give people unfamiliar with the subject some referential"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe left worship blacks and equality. It creates cognitive dissonance when they look around and see that everything was invented by white people and Africa invented absolutely nothing. This leaves them two options, claim that blacks are just as smart they just have a bad continent and bad luck and couldn't help being primitive. Or they can claim that Africa had great empires and kingdoms that were equal to Europe.\n\nThe first option was big in the 1990s but has fallen out of favor. Central to the leftist faith is the belief that one day they will uplift the blacks and there will be equality. They don't think it's very uplifting to tell blacks their continent sucked so it was inevitable they would be stuck at ooga booga until the white man showed up.\n\nThe second option has become much more popular to the point that it's now part of their faith. Any collection of mud huts is held up as a great \"empire\". An Arab trading outpost is a \"kingdom\".\n\nIt's been demonstrated by empirical studies that leftists lie more than the right so they don't really have a problem inventing ridiculous stories about great black kangdoms."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Normans cut their hair short and were clean shaven? Merely fashion? The Anglo-Saxons had long hair and thick moustaches."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Normans didn't have moustaches so that image is wrong they picked up the idea of being a clean shaven boy from their slaves the french"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably fashion primarily yeah but some believe it also made waring some helmets more comfortable"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe source for this conjecture is one Sidonius Apollinaris (d. 489), a well-known Gallo-Roman bishop & poet and one of the few sources on post-Roman Gaul, describes the (then still heathen) Franks :\n\n… on the crown of [their] red pates lies the hair that has been drawn towards the front, while the neck, exposed by the loss of its covering, shows bright. Their eyes are faint and pale, with a glimmer of greyish blue. Their faces are shaven all round, and instead of beards they have this moustaches which they run through with a comb. Close-fitting garments confine the tall limbs of the men; they are drawn up high so as to expose the knees, and a broad belt supports their narrow middle.\nWe see thee, aged Sygambrian* warrior, the back of thy head shaven in sign of thy defeat; but now thou guidest the new-grown locks to the old neck again.\n*Sygambrians was a poetical name of the Franks\nhttps://topostext.org/work/730"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat looks like a pretty good way to hide norwood. As long as you are balding mostly around the crown."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The American founding fathers were not deists. Many of them including George Washington were Freemasons, which requires an absolute belief in God."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndeists believe in god you illiterate"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDeists believe there is a God, but not in any specific God, correct? So why does George Washington mention Jesus Christ specifically if he was supposedly a deist?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nChristian deist"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFreemasons are deists"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nFreemasonry as an institution is deist, Freemasons are mostly not deists. Most are Christian."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropean freemasonry was Christian, but American freemasonry had no such specific requirements."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Freemasonry is an analogue of rockers / goths / emo / tattoos / piercings among the elites in past? What neural connections make people obey with it? do they do it in all seriousness, or is it not serious like the memes in the Discord of real classmates about each other?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nit's not about not believing in a specific God, but about thinking that God merely created the world and then fucked off"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nthat cote is fake, washington was extremely private about his personal believes and never acted as a devout christian or was openly religious\nJefferson even wrote in his private diary that Washington never spoke anything that showed any believe in the christian religion and their is no sources of the time that contradicted that claim"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe founding faggots"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>God merely created the world and then fucked off\n>Jesus Christ"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nMost of the founding fathers disbelieved in the divinity of Jesus. Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, etc."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot quite! They accept members who believe in a Higher power. The only Exclusively Christian Masons are the York Rite."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">still no architecture board"}, {"id": 2, "content": "There's only so many kino buildings to exist since the advent of photography, or hell even realistic paintings."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlthough it looks cool on the outside, that building probably sucked ass to use. Looks like each floor is small as hell. Can't really fit much."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBe the change you want to see and post good threads here."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou have art board"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nis that the ex machina house?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I can never find this house, but it was designed by an architect to be \"the perfect house\", but the architect himself was like 5'5\"so everything was designed for his size, and anybody taller felt really claustrophobic while going through it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hey guys what do you think of this type of brick\n>it's cool\n>hey guys what do you think of tall buildings\n>they're cool\n\nriveting"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nt. beauty hating jew"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It's completely unfair and evil to do this to a young girl on the cusp of winning a medal. I still can't believe there are people who sympathize with Tonya harding."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat are you talking about?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\n\njust sage and report advertising"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the New Deal more beneficial or harmful for America?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt made it less severe at the cost of extending it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlleviated the worst, created safeguards to prevent another Great Depression, resolved endemic problems with American agriculture, created some of the building blocks for the postwar economic boom, but failed to actually end the Depression and arguably prolonged it in order to continue the reform aspect."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a reason that, as time goes on, liberals see communism as less evil compared to fascist regimes?\n\nIn the 80's, liberal were like: \"communism is evil\". In the 90's and early 2000's, it shifted to: \"the idea of communism isn't evil, but the people that rise to the top are always evil\". in the early 2010's-mid 2010's it shifted to: \"Some communist leaders were good, like castro, ho chi minh, and sankara, and stalin did very bad things but he was still a true believer\".\n\nNow, i'm seeing both liberals and leftist normies defend mao zedong and joesph stalin, increasingly, why is communism spreading but fascism demonized in comparison?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Soviets spent millions of dollars courting intellectuals like they do now\nThe Soviet Union, like Russia today, spent millions of dollars creating front groups that spread pro-communist propaganda. And these retards buy it up because its easy to fool them with propaganda."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\nThe soviet union collapsed so they can't fund intellectuals anymore, and the soviet union was hated in the 80's before it collapsed later. It's happening organically in the western liberal population. The biggest cultural exporter of socialist ideas today is probably cuba but that's about it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey've always been that way but they just say it openly now"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNo these days it's the intellectuals they courted and their students that are circulating it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nThe people they funded didn't stop spreading communism. They change went into incognito and changed it to shit like \"critical race theory\" and \"intersectionality.\" Many of the people who made up groups like the Weather Underground, Students for a Democratic Society, New Left, Black Panthers became tenured professors or big members of the Democratic Party. The CPUSA for example is filled with Democrats and they shilled Biden and tell people to vote for Democrats. Angela Davis, a prominent panther, was one of the biggest Biden surrogates. Sanders was a Trot. Many of these people just rebranded as \"social democrats\" or \"democratic socialists\" to finesse people and get mainstream support."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n>>3\nJust ask yourself why these same people are panicking now about Florida having a victims of communism day and kicking them out of colleges.\nJust ask yourself nobody thinks BLM saying they are Marxists, while defending shit holes Cuba and Venezuela."}, {"id": 8, "content": "because red scare propaganda became less prominent has it became clearer than the soviets were losing the cold war"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n\nHow can the democratic party be a vessel of communism? They can't even build unions or pass basic working class programs that build solidarity like national health insurance or debt alleviation"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>They can't even build unions or pass basic working class programs that build solidarity like national health insurance or debt alleviation\nWhy even lie about this when the biggest union, in the US (AFL-CIO) spends every 2 years funding Democratic politicians?\n> pass basic working class programs that build solidarity like national health insurance or debt alleviation\nThey literally caused inflation because they gave people free shit from the government. The Democrats gave people increased food stamps, extended unemployment benefits, a check, and a bunch of other garbage like obamacare subsides that made everything much more expensive. Biden even tried to give rich kids student loan cancellation, but then god the Supreme Court is going to block that fucking shit. Its crazy how fucking stupid leftists are, and ignore all the damage they just did to the economy with their shutdowns and spending policies."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nMe ITT: https://youtu.be/iD-j4eIjQ5c [Embed]\n\nIt isn't but conservatives who are paranoid about reds under their beds can sometimes be more right about communists than other rightists. Like the fact that Mandela was a communist, which the CIA knew and which some rightists pointed out, but which was not actually \"obvious\" to everybody, is a testament to the party's discipline and flexibility. Also the party itself doesn't necessarily *do* anything, it just has to know everything, and in its own terms, analyze and understand the movement of history to take creative advantage of opportunities which are often contingent.\n\n>>10\nInflation is worldwide and is the result of a global shift in the reallocation of production after supply chains snapped during COVID. The U.S. is affected but is less affected because it has the dollar, and raising interest rates strengthens the dollar relative to other currencies, which makes imports cheaper (the downside is that it makes U.S. exports more expensive). That's why other countries want to get off the dollar to settle cross-border transactions, because the U.S. is basically making the rest of the world eat its inflation. But there's no substitute for the time being. There may be some positives out of this shift in the U.S. though because Biden -- but this has very little to do with Biden really wanting to do anything in particular and more to do with the simple facts of international macroeconomics -- has adopted a quasi-Keynesian policy. That's leading to a historic surge in manufacturing construction.\n\n>>6\n>he CPUSA for example is filled with Democrats and they shilled Biden\nThey see main struggle now as against fascism and have adopted a popular front-type policy similar to the 1930s, that is the defense of (bourgeois) democratic rights against the extreme right to clear the way for what they call the anti-monopoly struggle or something like that."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe real and most direct answer is that it is the result of the aftermath of the Second World War. If you understand the difference between the geopolitics before and after, you’ll realize that the Soviet Union became the most culturally influential country on earth for a brief time period, roughly from 1940-1980. It couldn’t sustain itself but its ideas dominated the conquered countries of China, southeast Asia, eastern europe, etc. Then through this area it spread to huge parts of Africa and latin america, and western Europe. Unsurprisingly this is because it had become the largest bloc and “culture-bearer” of the mid-20th century.\n\nCommunism was ooised to militarily conquer western Europe and the entire olanet during WWII. It could have happened. Read Victor Surovov. However, due to the history-changing choices of adolf hitler, the Soviet Union was impeded from conquering the most important region (western europe). This meant that, although victorious, it could not impose its ideas everywhere from the top down. It had to build its cultural gravity from the bottom up. So, while Fascism and right wing cultures stayed powerful until the 1970s (Italy and Germany were filled with legitimate fascists), each generation that was replaced by more liberals youngsters. The 1960s/70s saw massive riots in france over wanting some dumb liberal shit. Then the 1990s saw people turn the other cheek towards mass immigration, allowing it to get everywhere. Then finally by 2020 we have outright bolshevism everywhere in the west. If you talk to people today youll see how they will violently die in a fight to the death with you to protect the good name of communism.\n\nThe outcome of the second world war was that the future would be a slow victory for communism. Without hitler, it would have been an immediate victory.\n\nIn the words of a great russian poet: communism will finally takeover, and then in the wake of its collapse the antichrist will rule over the anarchy."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAcademics are really into communism, as they believe that they would rise to the top of the new social hierarchy after the revolution. It's entirely self centred and mercenary, but they'll pretend that it isn't. Because it aligns with their economic and material interests they will advocate for it as much as they can, it's just fairly standard money-grubbing behaviour. Then again you wonder if they've ever read what happens a few months after the revolution\n>Behold the brave idealists,\n>Who plan our social revolutions\n>The come hard nosed realists\n>Who turn them into executions\n>And first upon the hangman's list\n>Stands the brave idealist."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nWe should ban boomers from using the internet"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>the commies are the REAL capitalists!\nDilate."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>implying there is a difference between socialism and fascism (at least in the classical sense)\nThe only differences is that fascism is focused on a nation of people, don't believe in transcending to the utopia of communism, and are upfront about the state taking power and deciding who is right and wrong - while all of that leads to pretty dogshit outcomes, at least it can function. Modern socialists REEE about fascism because it is essentially socialism but without the lies, which hurts the socialists.\n\nAs for why socialism/communism has been seen as more legitimate in US politics is unironically because of women and minorities. Literally every single empire/civilization that has fallen due to internal strife/conflict was due to a minority class going chimpmode because AY YO FUK DA [*insert nation/culture/people in control that created and perpetuated literally everything around them for centuries*] IT'S R TIME TO SHYNE! - That and women's biological imperatives becoming too strong and bleeding into politics which advocate for \"boo hoo think of the poor people, everyone is equal! it's wrong to think we're better than others. blah blah blah.\" Communism and its advocation is nothing more than a tool used by minorities as a facade to try to bring \"their\" people into being the new dominant class and for women to cry about shit and think they're changing the world and crying about men being evil despite the fact that all of civilization exists because men went out, massacred the barbarians, kicked out all of the \"others\" and built it all from nothing which have given said women the ability to advocate for abolishing everything said civilization is built upon without their skulls getting imploded from an axe swing.\n\n>tl;dr history repeats, see you after this next Kali Yuga"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>PeOpLe ArEn'T cOnCeRnEd WiTh InCeNtIvEs!!111\nHang yourself commie"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What can you tell me about historical incidents of encouraged emigration, /his/? I know Italians got paid by the Italian government to move to America and Brazil back in the 1900s, but that's about it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere in Brazil nips truly helped with agricultural practices and technology in general, they are STILL to this day attracted by the relatively cheap land. Our economy is shit, but monetarily there are some states which will be safer to have a farm at than argentina, at least for now. As for italians, they just love having sex with mestizas and castizas i guess."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>mestizas and castizas\nqrd on all racial terms?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMexico encouraged illiterate rural people to migrate North during the 90s to alleviate pressure on the country during economic downturn. It was an open secret that pissed off the US."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThey don't exist. They were used to spearate degrees if admixture among people but everyone in LatAm has ancestry from basically all groups. This beaner >>2 is using archaic terms to make himself look white.\n\nNone of these terms are used IRL by any people in Spanish America."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nok but thats not what i asked"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did a USSR member end up with so many Nazis?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNazi occupation rapebabies."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA lot can change in a place after 30 years. It took just ~15 years for the actual Germany to go from the foundation of the Weimar Republic to Hitler's appointment as chancellor"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Because they resisted the Soviets from the very start? Also living under commie rule for 70 years lends itself to worshiping their nemeses."}, {"id": 5, "content": "In Eastern Europe Nazi means anti-russian westerner. Thats what the russians are talking about when they say they want to denazify ukraine too btw"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nproject Aerodynamics"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe Nazis created Fanta btw"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe best kind beverage I enjoyed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's hard to ignore the western/jewish influence of the \"neo-nazification\" of the slavic Ukrainian peasantry. There are also examples of American neo-nazis (Rob Rundo, \"Boneface\", ect) being sent over to Ukraine by the CIA, presumably to recruit Ukrainians to join ultra-nationalist paramilitary groups.\nSimilar to how the CIA helped create ISIS to further destabilize the middle east, they created an army of zealot neo-nazis to fight Russians. Adolf Hitler is rolling in his grave."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>they created an army of zealot neo-nazis to fight Russians\nbased"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo clarify, there are hardly, if any, Ukranian Nazis. In eastern europe, a nazi is not synonymous with the German national socialist regime, rather, a \"nazi\" is a fervent anti-russian who glorifies the butchering of communist russians during WW2.\nAdditionally, Stepan Bandera, who lead (and is responsible for) the post-russian ukranian identity, collaborated with the National Socialists and was the defacto ruler of Reichskommisariat Ukraine alongside Koch."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSaying that Bandera leads and is somehow responsible for the creation of Ukranian national identity is such a braindead take. Bandera was not involved in the creation of the OUN and led only one faction of it.\n\nSoviet Korenizatsiia was responsible for the modern state of Ukraine more than anything else. Not some grand Western conspiracy."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nIt was created by a German bottling plant owner in response to the embargo you dumb redditor."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nPart contrarian, albeit completely justified, REEEEEEing at the Soviet Union. Part legacy of Ukrainian collaborationism with Nazi Germany. Part legacy of Ukrainian (re. Russian) antisemitism that was still somewhat prevalent until 2014 when Ukrainian society as a whole did a major pivot towards the West.\n\nFor their part, NSDAP Gauleiter and head of Reichskommissariat Ukraine Erich Koch had this to say,\n\n>\"If I meet a Ukrainian worthy of being seated at my table, I must have him shot.\"\n\n>>11\n>Additionally, Stepan Bandera, who lead (and is responsible for) the post-russian ukranian identity, collaborated with the National Socialists and was the defacto ruler of Reichskommisariat Ukraine alongside Koch.\n\nBandera was jailed within three weeks of the start of Operation Barbarossa after he refused to rescind the proclamation of Ukrainian statehood and spent the remainder of the war in various German prisons. Apart from the groundwork he laid for the establishment of the OUN, his involvement in the Second World War effectively ended there."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Austrian Empire had been pushing Germanic and Roman Catholic propaganda in Ukraine before even the 1st World War."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAustria had nothing to do with the Romanization of Christianity in Volynhia and Galicia. The Union of Brest was done under the stewardship of the Poles.\n\nIf you want to stop outing yourself as a historically illiterate retard who jumps on whatever historical interpretation his based twitter friends tell him to, read this article:\n\nhttps://nemets.substack.com/p/roots-of-the-donbass-war"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nBut Nemets IS my based twitter friend"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How historically accurate is it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChudbros..."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery, Maxim Gorky proved more right every day"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you think Nazi clothing was so fashionable? Straight men have no class or imagination."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI looked up the author and he seems to be a \"historic figure among anti-gay movements\" and most critics call the book revisionism.\n\nUhhhh based?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Nazi clothing was so fashionable\nAnything ~1900 would be superior in that dept"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "so different human species can breed then.\nvery interesting. what are the implications of this."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not very much in some ways because all other species in the Homo genus are dead. Even if you wanted to biologically classify all living human groups as distinct from one another, they would still, at most, qualify as subspecies of Homo sapiens with some being muttified by Homo neanderthalensis, Denisovans, and other archaic Homo species more than others.\nWhat it does mean is that some traits from those other Homo species carried over into present populations. And this helps us understand what physical traits are attributed to them as well as what disease risks we inherited."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Whats your definition of \"species\" OP?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Which kind?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat species is an imprecise term used out of convenience?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo organ downers\nNo blood transfusions"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Piecing together a story I'm planning on writing where one of the Characters we learn has essentially been hired to handle the funding of revolutionary/Guerrilla Army.\n\nI've been trying to find historical examples of people like this as well as just some insight on how revolutions get funded before they get put into action, but i'm having difficulty.\n\nMight just be a problem with my open ended searching, but if anyone has any examples of how smaller scale revolutionary armies got funded and armed I'd love to know them.\n\ncan be from anytime throughout history, but i'm specifically working in the 1800s Caribbean with this story."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 3, "content": "faggot"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Robert Morris was a major source of financing. He was a wealthy man who at one time owned the entire state of New York. He sacrificed everything to finance the Revolution and ended up in debtor’s prison."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Is this for a school project? Don't they only teach you about slavery nowadays?\n\nContinental congress ordered states to raise battalions relative to their population, many of the same officials employed by the British turned tails and worked for the rebels and replacements could be found easily among the gentry."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the case of Napoleon when he was first made general he looted northern Italy to fund and equip the Army of Italy despite it being illegal to do so. The reality was that the government just didn’t have enough resources to adequately fund all their armies. Soldiers were promised supplies and salary that they would never see.\n\nWar feeds itself as the saying goes."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWallenstein had to feed and pay his 100,000 army by looting and requesting payments from inhabitants of the regions his army controlled"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nhow did people join the army in the first place though\n\nwas their not funding needed to get everyone armed and ready to begin with?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on era/region\n\nDrug trade or illicit minerals are in vogue. Afghan and Central/South Americas has a long history of selling opium/cocaine/narcotics. Africa still funds itself not through just through diamonds but rare earth metals like cobalt, lithium, copper. Corporations hire contractors to provide the minerals, the contractors pay pennies on the dollar for pounds upon pounds of rare earth minerals from usually teenager miners.\n\nReagan's whole Iran-Contra Affair was he was trying to circumvent Congress' ban on funding the Contras. He sold weapons to \"moderate\" Iranians for a profit, used the profit to fund the Contras to try and balance the books hoping nobody would notice. Except that was, you know, high treason.\n\nDuring the American Revolution, the French crown made shell trading companies and sold powder/muskets/blankets/etc.. for a pittance. A lot of wealthier patriots basically finances the revolution, like Robert Morris. After the Battle of Trenton, Washington told his troops that Robert Morris was going to give every man who re-enlisted like 7 pounds or some shit, and that's how he kept his army together. The Dutch also offered very generous loans to the Americans after the French stepped in after Saratoga.\n\nThe purpose of the loans was that the country making the loan has an interest in seeing the country secede, prosper, and stabilize. A stable country can pay back a loan. An unstable country cannot. Thus the country loaning the money needs to have the confidence that these revolutionaries can produce a stable (not fair or equitable) government that can collect revenue/income to pay back the loans. It's why Washington was very keen on courting French businessmen who had come to inspect/visit the Continental Army, so they can report back to France that these Americans are professional, they can win, and they can govern themselves and eventually repay the crown."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ngreat answer, thank you"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nRussian general were closer on annihilate him in Italy, HRE before he get call back, a error on their part."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>and they can govern themselves and eventually repay the crown.\nDid they repay the loans?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>>/tg/"}, {"id": 14, "content": "When you say \"funded\" I think you're thinking too abstractly. Think about what you'd actually have to pay for instead. The core of the revolution would be volunteers, so they wouldn't need to be paid. Ultimately they'd try to get a significant number of people to voluntarily join the uprising, but they'd likely need to build up a critical mass of dedicated supporters before it created a snowball effect and convinced the general public to go along with it.\n\nWhat are some things to help tip the public toward your cause?\n\n1. pamphlets and other literature. This was huge during the American and French revolutions. These pamphlets spread the ideology of the revolutionaries all over the place. Even in places where not everybody could read, the pamphlets could be read aloud by an orator. Printing pamphlets costs money. So look up the costs of hiring a printing press, or maybe several presses.\n\n2. Weapons and ammunition. If the revolution is a relatively smooth coup d'etat then you don't actually need that many weapons or other supplies. If the revolution turns into a full scale war, though, then you'll need to procure some arms for your revolutionaries pretty damn quick. If the revolution can take over factories or workshops that produce weapons (and ammunition, depending on the era) then this can solve their problems in the short term (the supply chain issues keeping these places running are another headache) but if not, then weapons and other supplies have to be purchased from anybody willing to sell, at any price. Think about how the revolution is being fought, who is fighting it (army faction? militia? general uprising?) who is arming the revolution? are they arming themselves? If not, how and when do you acquire arms?\n\n3. Food. If your revolution leads to a war you need an army, and an army needs food more than it needs anything, even weapons. Running out of food is the number 1 reason rebel armies fall apart. In a protracted war, you need to figure logistics."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where or from which group did this particular appearence originated?\nis it true it comes from atlantis?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "egypt"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncorded ware"}, {"id": 4, "content": "this is what the original sumerians looked like"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLemuria"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBaltics"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Why is white people so beautiful compared to other races anons?\n\n\nIs like angels that came from the sky"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Aryans"}, {"id": 9, "content": "somewhere in between norway and estonia"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAryans mixed with finno ugrics. Ethnogenesis in northeastern europe."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nUD REEEEA"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\ni don't see the finnish part, guy looks swedish, nazi propaganda tier. i guess is some sort of metal singer"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\n>>2\n>>7\n\nWE"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nyes, seethe shitskin"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwtf your pic literally looks like me OP"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nBlonde hair is a finnic trait. Blue eyes is controversial, afaik. A hypothetical “pure” corded ware or yamnaya would have brown hair and either brown or green eyes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>all blondes with long hair look le same"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nimpossible though, sintasha already had blondes before ugrics arrived and they were pretty much corded wares. may have been a founder effect though"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nfunny you mention them, finnish word for slave is \"aryan\". it means they had contact with each other, either finns got blondism from them or them from finns"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>sintasha already had blondes\nNot as a wider group tendency."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n40% avg, similar rate as medieval saxons or medieval icelandics, tribal variation was from 30% to 60% averages, but then again, it may have been a mere founder effect, who knows"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nthey are 38.5% blond"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nIt's \"work\", coper."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does Christianity have an implied realm of forms where sin exists? What are the physics of sin, and by what mechanism did Christ's self-sacrifice allow for man to be absolved? I just can't help but think of sin as a debuff, and Jesus using himself as a reagent to cast a spell."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSin is the absence of good. Only good has a form, in the same way that light has form but not darkness. Jesus both forgives sins and nullifies the effects of sin through baptismal regeneration and resurrection of the body after death. By His death, He opens the way to life."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus dying for everyone's sins is christcuck cope because he didn't accomplish anything that the messiah was supposed to.\n>H-he'll get around to it when he comes back\nLmao"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>anything that the messiah was supposed to.\nHe didn't accomplish what power obsessed Jews thought the Messiah was. But the Messiah was prophesied to come as the Son of Joseph first before Son of David. Israel was a united nation of Joseph and Davidic kings. Not one. And it was Judah and his brothers who were jealous of their brother Joseph, beat him up, and sold him into slavery. Only for God to bless Joseph and raise him up in Egypt as a leader among the Gentiles. When Judah and his family came to Egypt to appeal for food, they didn't even recognize their brother. Just as they don't recognize Jesus either. He's some strange leader for the goy, in their mind. But all things must play out in due time, just as they did then. Isaiah, Israel's own prophet, is the first Evangelist. Not the Apostles.\n\n>For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,\n>And as a root out of dry ground.\n>He has no form or comeliness;\n>And when we see Him,\n>There is no beauty that we should desire Him.\n>He is despised and rejected by men,\n>A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.\n>And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;\n>He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.\n>Surely He has borne our griefs\n>And carried our sorrows;\n>Yet we esteemed Him stricken,\n>Smitten by God, and afflicted.\n>But He was wounded for our transgressions,\n>He was bruised for our iniquities;\n>The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,\n>And by His stripes we are healed.\n>All we like sheep have gone astray;\n>We have turned, every one, to his own way;\n>And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.-Isaiah 53:2-6"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIn addition, it was Malachi who prophesied that knowledge of God would spread across all the Gentiles and a true people who sought him would form. He would reject the altars and old offerings of Israel, and a law would be written on the hearts of men who burned pleasing incense. As has happened in every true church across the world.\n>\"Who is there even among you who would shut the doors,\n>So that you would not kindle fire on My altar in vain?\n>I have no pleasure in you,”\n>Says the Lord of hosts,\n“Nor will I accept an offering from your hands.\n>For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down,\n>My name shall be great among the Gentiles;\n>In every place incense shall be offered to My name,\n>And a pure offering;\n>For My name shall be great among the nations,”\n>Says the Lord of hosts.-Malachi 1:10-11\nThe Church has been played out exactly as planned. Not as an \"afterthought\". This is just cope from Jews who haven't confessed their sin and thinks God cares about their torn down temple walls. It was God who told them it would fall in the first place."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">We're still debating theological questions that were answered 500 years ago"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTry 1500.\nWere still debating the Holy Trinity"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid they answer why it's not stupid to believe in a magic jew in the sky?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "KNOWLEDGE IS TRANSIENT & LIMITED; IGNORANCE IS PERPETUAL & LIMITLESS."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI disagree. Ignorance is finite; You cannot have less than zero knowledge. Knowledge on the other hand is infinite; there is no limit to what you might learn. Ignorance is always decreasing while knowledge is always increasing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nTyping in all caps is for women and niggers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n\n\n1. IF, ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC, KNOWLEDGE IS «INFINITE», HOW CAN IGNORANCE BE «FINITE»?\n\n2. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP LEARNING AD INFINITVM; NOONE BEYOND THEIR FORMATIVE YEARS «LEARNS SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY»: WE FORGET SOMETHING OLD EVERY DAY.\n\nACCUMULATION OF INFORMATION IS NOT KNOWLEDGE."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>«\nThis is a sign that this poster sucks French cocks."}, {"id": 9, "content": "dude made universals 'thoughts in the head of God :)' because he had no good reason why they couldn't exist alongside a God."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nI am glad you still exist.\n\nIt has been a long time."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThe fact that nothing exists independent of God."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nDid Aquinas provide us with reasons to believe this?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n\n\nI AM GLAD TO STILL EXIST TOO; IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Isn't it antitrinitarian to refer to Jesus as the Son of God?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n\n\nNO; GOD IS THE DIVINITY —THE DIVINE SUBSTANCE OF THE THREE PERSONS OF THE HOLY TRINITY—; THE TERM «SON OF GOD», CORRECTLY INTERPRETED, MEANS, EITHER, «THE SON PERSON OF THE DIVINITY», OR «THE SON OF GOD [THE FATHER]»."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nFor the love of God, type like a fucking human."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Yes, answered badly"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nSo you believe in three gods?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"answered\"\nbarmy handwaving does not constitute an answer."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSure it does"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We're still debating theological questions\nWho's \"we\"? The retard club? LOL!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI bet this fat nigga can't even A rank city escape. What the fuck does he know about God?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did you thank blacks today?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThank you for creating peanut butter"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>blacks created vaccines\nAs if we needed another reason to hate them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack slave from an arab country far from west africa and that only had access to the mediterranen see\nthey can't even make up good lies"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhe was a black slave brought to america, doesn't seem much different from the rest of them"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nno it proves that the story is made up.\n99% of slaves were taken form west africa so the chances that he was taken from libya are very low and add to that that even finding a black(not just dark brown) man in libya is unlikely, they just said he's from libya to make their story hold up because inoculation was used in libya"}, {"id": 7, "content": "That man is about as Libyan as I am."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nJust look up Onesimus. The story is well documented but the picture (perhaps even the book) is obviously unrelated as this happened in colonial times."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nPeanut Butter was invented in 1895 by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, the same guy that invented corn flakes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is atheism really inherently nihilistic?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think atheism is inherently skeptical of truth in general. And without truth, you are left with a kind of nihilism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAtheism is inherently skeptical of unfalsifiable \"truths\", not truth itself."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would history be different if women were the biologically superior sex (physically and intellectually)?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey already are."}, {"id": 3, "content": "We’d be like Hyenas. Basically Orcs."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthen women would've become the men of society. They'd strive to conquer, advance, endure; they'd hunt and provide for the tribe, whereas the men would take care of the children and spend all day doing menial shit. So women would just evolve to be big, muscular and with a go-getter attitude while men would become all femboys. Society would evolve as normal then."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nAnime website"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWomen have more power in a relationship.\nIts men that have to compete for a woman's vagina, not the other way around."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLook to an american ghetto to see what a real matriarchy looks like."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhumans would be different\nthey would evolve differently in that case\nso, all of history and culture would be 100% different and not in any way similar to how it is now\n\nIt's kind of a pointless what-if. Like all those \"what if in the past there was x\" what-ifs. if there was x in the past everything would be different because of the butterfly effect which is overly complex and unpredictable"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nWomen would have more societal power, but outside of leadership I'm not sure they would actually perform different roles as men, because pregnancy works the same in this scenario. Women can't serve in combat because they are still the population bottleneck and they can't be a reliable labor base because they are spending much of their physical prime pregnant\nSo men would still do most of the physical labor and fighting with women remaining in the home - but the power dynamic between the two roles, and the composition of the ruling class, would be reversed"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nDear Jesus, send me to this Universe NOW. I just want to be a househusband while my wife fights in a war or goes to work."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>So women would just evolve to be big, muscular and with a go-getter attitude while men would become all femboys."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nImagine"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir groups will be like most animal hierarchies when they're larger than their male counterpart.\nThey'll form matriarchies and possibly cannibalize males. So no real sociological difference from feminism today."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nTrue, but I think what OP meant was physically stronger, and so able to dominate men with physical force instead of just psychologically."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n>>8\n>>9\nthese posts are good, but consider this:\nlike this faggot post >>6 women have more power in relationships, because, like many mammals, the reproductive ability is exclusive of females, The nature's way to balance this, is with testosterone, so males can be bigger and stronger, and with that, keep females in check while they have to compete to each other. If women were just stronger than males, the disparity between sexes would be humongous, far more unjust than whatever radical muslim society could be now, look at hyenas, the males are literally second class individuals, it would be hell for males.\n>and know you should think about a future where any strenght factor could be replaced by machines/cyborg bodies/genetic manipulaton, you can start looking at human relations right now"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*blocks your way*\n>>9\nGood one"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Mussolini actually Italian?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nt.60% balto-estonian.\nHe looks more like the original aryans than varg does."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSo in your opinion the original Aryans looked like Muslims, gotcha."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWtf lmao varg has no chill"}, {"id": 5, "content": "italians are worthless arabs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do you think of the Rosary? Have you ever prayed the Rosary before? Post your favorite Rosary if you own one. I'll try to answer Rosary related questions if I can."}, {"id": 2, "content": "aint nobody got time for that"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I think it's totem worship. Any use of physical objects for the purpose of religious meditation is totem worship, regardless of whether or not there is a belief that the item itself possesses supernatural qualities."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy, thank you very much for coming up with a defamatory blanket label for a variety of items used in religious ceremonies that have little in common amongst themselves with regard to their meaning and usage."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt's not \"totem\" worship. It's simply a method of counting the prayers to be said, like a reminder. Jesus Himself used physical objects in His miracles as a way to inspire faith, like when He used mud and spit to cure blindness, or when He transformed water into wine."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nPlease look at the definition of totem worship I came up with again."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nOk, I mean you can believe that, but the Rosary is not a totem, nor does it constitute worship of such. All worship in Christianity, including Catholicism, is directed to God. It would be considered idolatry to worship that which was made by human hands."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA powerful spiritual weapon, asking for intercession and contemplating the mystery of Jesus and His actions. I add the Jesus prayer with the Glory Be and Fatima prayer."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBorderline mental illness considering God nor Jesus exist"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThe Jesus Prayer and the Centurion's Prayer are my favorites."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Catholicism is when you worship Mary and pray the Rosary. The more Rosaries you pray the more Catholic you are."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\"Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.\" \"No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.\"\n\nhttps://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2C.HTM"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nCatholicism is religion on a points system."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">54 prayers to Mary\n>12 prayers to God\nkek"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThey are all prayers directed to Jesus, or glorifying Jesus."}, {"id": 16, "content": "What even is the point of prayers? What does it do?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nPrayer is an admittance of our entire dependence upon the goodness and mercy of God. It shows our relationship to Him, and it is by prayer that we nourish and grow our relationship to God. Prayer disposes the one who prays to receive the graces of God according to His will. Most importantly, it connects our will with God's will, so that our two wills become closer to one, and so that through us God's will may be done on earth as in heaven.\n\n\"Prayer is a surge of the heart; it is a simple look turned toward heaven, it is a cry of recognition and of love, embracing both trial and joy.\"\n\n\"Prayer is the raising of one's mind and heart to God or the requesting of good things from God.\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">makes leftists seethe\nI'm thinking based"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis \"Nazis were socialist\" video made both rightoids and leftoids really butthurt though."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOnly a retarded leftist can think that a totalitarian government with complete control over the economy is an example of free market capitalism. Socialists are the most retarded creatures on the face of the earth."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "china\n\nemperor wong captures 1 metre of territory from emperor wu\n\n4000 quadrillion killed"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmexico\n\ntlatoani tezozomoctli captures 1 metre of territory from tlatoani nezahualcoyotl\n\n8000 quintillion killed"}, {"id": 3, "content": "india\n\nmonarch ishan captures 1 metre of territory from monarch rajesh\n\n4000 quadrillion killed"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I love that shitskins hate us because we are better than them in every way imaginable\n\nI love that the guy with the largest Dick in the world was white\n\nI love that every shitskin pictured here is a dicklet\n\nI love that my dicks 6'6 inches\n\nI love that the white race will always be the peak of humanity and civilization and no one else will be able to match us only emulate us poorly\n\nAlways trying to keep up\n\nNever getting ahead"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Found it in the coin machine at a Publix"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA 1920s German 10-cent piece is worth about $20.00 based on Ebay listings."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWorthless\nBest case scenario you get burger(cheapest) for it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAnd if you invested it in the stock market it would be worth $60, American capitalism is superior to German socialism, national or otherwise."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Tells Europeans they can't they can't fuck around in the Americas anymore\n>Makes a whole new country in Africa specifically for black Americans to fuck around in\n\nWhy are Americans like this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Liberia was an independent country, not a colony."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBASED\nWhat will eurosissies gon' do?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are Americans like this?\nbecause they can"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are pussy refugee stock but literally\nJust bums and junkies swept off the streets of other countries and dumped there"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe strong do as they will, you fag."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt that point in American history, a major European power interfering in New World affairs posed a risk to American national security. America's failed resettlement program in Liberia was never a threat to any European powers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Jesus was not a good-looking man\nHow can we worship someone who isn't beautiful?\nI admire beauty.\nHow do Christians square that circle if they value beauty?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is beauty\nJesus is God\nJesus is beauty"}, {"id": 3, "content": "that's a you problem"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus didn't exist. There is no physical description of him. Nobody who allegedly saw him wrote anything down."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMount Tabor"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jesus was not a good-looking man\nyeah sure man"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is your take on this guy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was definitely a guy that we can agree on."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Based all his works on Plato, plagiarist fuck."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was one of those effete, idealist, upper-class intellectuals whose socialist beliefs were motivated by a dislike of capitalist mores instead of a genuine interest in the working class's well-being, and reliant on the luxury of not needing to care about national prosperity or any real consequences for their actions and beliefs. Although in fairness there are plenty of worse examples and I do think he was a legitimately intelligent individual who wanted to do good for the world."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>He was one of those effete, idealist, upper-class intellectuals whose socialist beliefs were motivated by a dislike of capitalist mores instead of a genuine interest in the working class's well-being,\nYou've just described every socialist ever. Pretty much socialist theorist was from an upper class family and never did any manual labor in their lives."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Btfo:ed by Wittgenstein, Mosley, Gödel and himself. Also retroactively refuted by Aquinas."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\na real ass nigga\n\nt.continental"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI'm sure he did but he was terribly misguided and suffered all his life from a fashionable lack of morals owing to his aristocratic upbringing, the values of his parents (who died before he was born) and older siblings, and a reaction AGAINST the Victorian mores (again, because it was fashionable but also because his grandparents raised him that way and he hated it). It's funny that they call traditionalists reactionary since it's always the leftists who are reacting against something."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've never had much exposure to his work, but from what I have seen, he was a bland intellectual with an overinflated sense of his own importance."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's not an atheist anymore."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was workplace sexual harassment so rampant in the 1950s? How did such a deeply conservative culture consider it appropriate?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">1950’s\n>deeply conservative"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\noh anon, conservative sexual morality has only ever applied to women."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't, the vast majority of people were incredibly prudish. If a girl was grabbed her male relatives would consider it a humiliation and go after the alleged perpetrator in a rage, hence all the lynchings. Sexual harassment was only rampant in more \"progressive\" \"cosmopolitan\" areas like Los Angeles where you could see the prelude to the 60s and \"sexual revolution\"."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Sexual harassment was only rampant in more \"progressive\" \"cosmopolitan\" areas like Los Angeles where you could see the prelude to the 60s and \"sexual revolution\".\nNo it was pretty bad everywhere anon. Especially in an Era where reporting such things was hard and workplace politics were stacked"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nLA has always been the most sexist city on the planet, where women are walking slabs of meat. You would not have seen anyone dressed like this in the fucking Midwest in the '50s."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere hasn't been a true conservative since 1918"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nLynchings were a southern custom more like honor killings than vigilante justice."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nYou think women are pieces of meat if they are dressed provocatively? You can admire someone's body and still consider them a human worthy of respect."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"equal rights equal lefts\" mentality, that if a woman works for her bread - she's a whore who puts herself in \"male spaces\", and is 'asking for it'."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't considered appropriate, but it was tolerated on the logic men will be men and women who want to work in those places just have to put up with it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nIsn't that basically the same graph as the murder rate and violent graph from the same time and for the same reason?\n(because abortion had been legalized which caused a generation of men that would be entering their 'fighting age' simply not existing)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nModesty is more respectable"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. watched Mad Men and assumed it was a documentary"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nDefine \"sexual harassment\", because the criteria for it now is likely considerably broader than it historically would have been"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmericans stopped being conservative since the 19th Century. What you consider wholesome 1950s Conservativism was anethema to the western conservative at the time.\n\nLike...Jazz? Negro music. Torpedo tits and and short skirts? Fucking degeneracy."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\n>No it was pretty bad everywhere anon.\nHow do we know?"}], [], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why can't they just be normal?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s genetic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are those islands coloured the same as turkey"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCuz dey spice dey borders"}, {"id": 5, "content": "over the course of human existence they are normal"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do anti-Western.and anti-NATO posters always support Russia against the US? Why not China? China has clearly been doing a better job at resisting the West and building up soft power globally than Russia. So why do they chain themselves to a sinking ship?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "& Humanities?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nFuck off faggot, go to /pol/ for discussion of modern politics."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause russia has the veneer of being white and traditional"}, {"id": 5, "content": "i have never seen anyone who supported russia but not china or vice versa"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Soviets were a credible threat at some point so it's easier to LARP as them. Supporting the Chinese is a gamble."}, {"id": 7, "content": "1. Tankies fetishize the Soviet Union and see Russia as the closest successor\n\n2. Fascists see Russia as the leader of international white supremacism\n\n3. Third worlders are still angry at the West for imperialism\n\n4. Russia has been perfecting the art of propaganda and subversion since Tsarist times\n\n5. China doesn’t really care about the internal squabbles of other countries. They’re too capitalistic for most tankies and too subhuman for most fascists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nPlenty of American and European right wingers were like that until 2022 when this view would've been too hard to keep up\nTucker Carlson was especially pushing for it for example. But after the SMO started it became hard even for him to do that. Even he ended up repeating Chinese diplomat quotes to support Russia"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe few people who do this are American boomers or pseudo-boomers who just parrot Trump, ignoring that Trump was arguably more anti-Russia when it came to his actual policy than Biden and Obama since they only remember his rhetoric during 2016 of Chyna being the real enemy and Russia being a distraction (which was correct and should have been realized in the 90s and 00s). The openly anti-West posters support both China and Russia, although they might hide their support for one or the other on occasion."}, {"id": 10, "content": "China is globohomo Satanism\nRussia is trad Christianity"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nThis is modern politics"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">country a is extremely anti-nationalist\n>country b is extremely nationalist\n>people struggle to understand why nationalists in country a admire country b\nI think the problem stems from neoliberals/npcs genuinely believing all nationalists are foaming at the mouth retards who blindly hate everything. Their image of a nationalist isn't a conscious thinking being but an absolute drooling retard functioning on monkey instinct."}, {"id": 13, "content": "i hope you fucking die"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Suffer half the casualties the US did in Vietnam\n>Over the course of two weeks instead of a decade"}, {"id": 15, "content": "russia no longer has the baggage of being communist. therefore they can appeal to right wingers and third worlders who are socially conservative and despise current american culture (drag queen story hour)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would rather not be dominated by bug people for as long as the CCP dynasty lasts."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Because Russia is more in the habit of funding fake trolls online in English spaces than China is."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>russia no longer has the baggage of being communist. therefore they can appeal to right wingers and third worlders who are socially conservative and despise current american culture (drag queen story hour)\nChina does the same thing while being communist. And Russia also funds pro tranny propaganda in Latin america. Neither of these countries have a solid ideology to sell anyone"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>>country a is extremely anti-nationalist\n>>country b is extremely nationalist\nWho are you even talking about"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nEvery country in the world is a globo homo controlled experiment operated by psychopaths with 0 integrity. They only maintain a semblance of morality because it means people operate the factories and go to work instead of getting high on drugs all day and getting fucked in the ass.\n\nI would argue that the porn industry is really a psychological warfare operation of world wide militaries to see how it can control/weaken target populations as well as brainwash people."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do anti-Western.and anti-NATO posters always support Russia against the US?\n\"Alienation is when your country is at war and you want the other side to win.\"\n\n>>18\n>China does the same thing while being communist.\nAppealing to right-wingers? I don't really see China doing that? At least not in the U.S., because the right is anti-China in the United States. Russia otoh is really brazen about poking fingers in America's culture wars, and their attitude is like a boxer up against the ropes and fighting dirty. All states or governments are a little bit hypocritical though when something crosses their bottom line, but China seems to have this vision of world order that places itself in a central role that doesn't necessarily exclude America, but America is depicted as belligerent, obstructionist, and petulantly absent from important affairs. I think a U.S. that is more like France or something would be in China's interest, that is pulled back (particularly the military) but still playing a role in the world and not going isolationist or extreme nationalist. Also, as bad as things have gotten, there are still links between the U.S. and China (inc. business) while that's been cut off in the case of Russia, and CGTN has higher-quality guests than RT which tends to push more fringe characters. Example of the former:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/V4s7T-TLp6k [Embed]"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do anti-Western.and anti-NATO posters always support Russia against the US? Why not China?\nBecause they are retards. China is infinitely more stronger than 3rd world Russia."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>I think a U.S. that is more like France or something would be in China's interest, that is pulled back (particularly the military) but still playing a role in the world and not going isolationist or extreme nationalist\na less powerful usa that is still influential and balances out russia and japan is in china's interest. kissinger talks about this in his books"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do anti-Western.and anti-NATO posters always support Russia\nBecause I like pissing people off, and I respect Putin for not being a safe, pussy politician.\n>Why not China?\nLive in an apartment with Chinese neighbors for a month, and you'll hate them unconditionally. They are the most vile people to ever walk the earth."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nchina fought russia twice and lost both times"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nwhat kind of alt history are you on\nchina helped dissolve the ussr. the soviets couldn't even beat chinese infantry in their border skirmishes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nUS had ARVN fighting with them retard, ARVN suffered the brunt of the casualties.\n\nAlso US never invaded hostile territory, US were defending fortified US bases in South Vietnam with air support from North Vietnamese invasion."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>13\n>captures more of vietnam in 2 weeks than russians take from ukraine in 1 year"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happened to the russians in Alaska after the american purchase? Is there anything left from them under the americans like a town with a russian name or some descendants of russian settlers or whatever?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "still here, op\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ADu5c6M1r0 [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the Native Americans are Asian, what made them such stupid monkeys that never invented anything? The U.S has a wide ranging biome it's not like Africa. There were resources available, cold climates."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIncans? Mayans? Aztecs?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Atlantis survivors pampered them too much gifting as many mesolithic european technology as they could. Yet another failure of the welfare state."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nany of them, I know some of them had complex societies, cities, agriculture but no metallurgy or industry"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're heavily mixed with ANE, unlike \"Asians\" (by which I assume you mean Chinese and their ilk).\n\n>>4\nThey had math and astronomy and stuff like that. Setting the cutoff at metallurgy is silly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthey did had metallurgy, they didn't used it much, incans had no way to access it, in the altitude they lived metal extraction through minery is simply too hazardous, as pressure is lower and oxygen levels way lower there is barely any oxigen in the mines, which causes the lungs to compress too much, and long exposure to this would cause fatal consequences in less than a year, mind that when spaniards forced natives in the andes to extract silver the yearly mortality rates were arround 50-35%"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The U.S has a wide ranging biome\nIt's a fucking square, anon. They were a bunch of nomadic niggers footing it across a barren landmass with no beasts of burden. They were basically hobos.\n\nThey also aren't Asian btw. They're justifiably categorized as their own group. It's like saying all Europeans today are 100% WHG."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>6\nWtf they engaged in metallurgy a lot. Chimor (or Chimu) were experts in metallurgy. Even the fucking Vicus (northrrn Peru) had bronze helmets and armour. Incas also had helmets and bronze weapons. What are you talking about? They extensively used silver to make high valued stuff only for nobility, like earrings, piercings, medallions, etc.\n\n>spaniards forced natives\nYes, but up until the government of Viceroy Toledo they used the traditional andean methods called the Huayra (or Wayra), which consisted in using alpaca shit. It actually worked until they started using mercury from Huancavelica, which was more efficient."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Wtf they engaged in metallurgy a lot. Chimor (or Chimu) were experts in metallurgy. Even the fucking Vicus (northrrn Peru) had bronze helmets and armour. Incas also had helmets and bronze weapons. What are you talking about?\nThey had it, they did't had production levels and such and arrangement of uses as old worlders. While minery was practiced the scale was harmless and relatively uncommon.\nIt doesn't compare with the potosi mines in degree of minery or exploitation.\nTrinkets for some nobles and a couple of artifacts does not requires a lot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSteppe Asians aren't that sophisticated. Not all of the Americas is steppe but the people you are posting are."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nThey had planned metropolitan cities with irrigation and plumbing that made use of gravity pumping. And they did this with no draught animals. That is usually the tech ceiling for civilizations, but somehow the Maya pulled it off."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> stupid monkeys\n\nDescribe to me how you would make a headdress similar to that of that Native American Chief. This should be extremely easy for someone inherently smarter than then, and such that their equipment is incredibly low tech"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI'd start by calling your mum and asking if she still does 4 suxxs fo 4 buxx"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If the Native Americans are Asian, what made them such stupid monkeys that never invented anything?\nANE admixture"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>They're heavily mixed with ANE, unlike \"Asians\" (by which I assume you mean Chinese and their ilk).\nThey only reason Europeans developed any civilisation is EEF admixture."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What will be the fate of the world if he never shows back up to fix it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere would ironically be more people in heaven since Jesus condemns more people to Hell by having stricter standards."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can you redpill me on the finno korean hyperwar, don't know anything besides that that video on YouTube"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How accurate is this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Historically I mean."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Arabs aren't any better.\nThem and Persians occupy a special niche in America, shady used-car dealers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the best explanation for\n>The historical accounts of Jesus Christ\n>The crucifiction\n>The empty tomb\n>The apostle's allegedly meeting Jesus Christ after his death\n>The apostle's dying a martyrs death professing the truth of Christianity"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The historical accounts of Jesus Christ\nSuch as?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe bible"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a story. It's made up."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThere's evidence for all of these five facts."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nA story isn't evidence."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Local atheist discards 99% of ancient history"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nStories aren't evidence. You wish they were because that's all you have."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYes it is. Historians use written records in their research."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The apostle's dying a martyrs death professing the truth of Christianity\nAny evidence for this, except for church tradition?\nLike that they would be able \"to recant\" and be let to go free. It's such a silly notion."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nWhat do historians have to say about some guy walking on water 2000 years ago, an historical fact?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nRed herring. We are arguing about the resurrection, not Jesus walking on water."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll explained by Jesus being a powerful wizard with specifics desire to cause all the data points"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nGo on then. What are these written records for dead jews coming alive and going to live in the sky?"}, {"id": 15, "content": "This is evidence the Olympian gods are real."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYou are not tracking the conversation. Reread the OP."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nWhat do historians have to say about some guy rising from the dead 2000 years ago being an event that actually happened in history?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nIf Hephaestus isn't real, how you explain Achilles god-crafted shield?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou are being evasive and going from the point of the conversation."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nStill waiting on this alleged evidence a magic jew."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nDo you believe Jesus existed?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nlol, fuck off\nYou have not asked me any questions, there's nothing for me to evade\n\nWhy do you appeal to the consensus of historians about there being some guy called Jesus 2000 years ago, but ignore their consensus about him rising from the dead or not?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nWhy does that matter?\nIf there's evidence that should make us think he was magical, that entails him existing"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nNo. But let's see this alleged evidence for a dead jew who came alive again and went to live in the sky."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe best explanation is that Christianity is true and Christ is Lord."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nHinudism is true and Ganesh is a magic elephant in the sky. That's what you would be saying if you happened to be born in India. That's no less rational than your belief in a magic jew in the sky."}, {"id": 27, "content": "Is still don't get what facts are not equally well explained by Jesus being a powerful wizard"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>6\n>Alexander the Great wasn't real, a story isn't evidence"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nIt's no less rational than your belief in magic rocks*"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>Ganesh is a magic elephant that lives in the sky. It must be true because there's a story about it."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWhy do you believe a magic homo conquered the world?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nJesus was a Jewish man from the Middle East..."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nWhen are you going to cite this meticulous documentary evidence for a magic jew that isn't just some stupid story written a century later? Still waiting for christcucks to put up."}, {"id": 34, "content": "The Apostles who were under Jesus Christ himself were equipped for that work. People challenged their encounter with Jesus but when they saw POWER and that the hand of God was on these men, those who heard had to unlearn in order to learn and that is how the Lord was promoted.\n>You think that Jesus is dead but he lives in me.\n>blows air or 1 tap heal or declares a prophecy or even something dangerous\nDying for the good news of Christ is a calling from God. It's not for everyone. If God says to you to live long and wisely so that your purpose is fulfilled in time then don't run into situations hastily."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The historical accounts of Jesus Christ\nNone exist from the 1st century. The earliest Christian writings do not talk about a historical person, but a mythic figure who appeared by revelatory visions.\n>The crucifixion\nSee above. There was no crucifixion, at least of Jesus.\n>The empty tomb\nSee above the above. There was no such thing, because there was no \"tomb\" at all. Not even the gospels agree as to the tomb situation, and Paul didn't even seem to know that Jesus was buried in the vicinity of Jerusalem.\n>The apostle's allegedly meeting Jesus Christ after his death\nNo more incredible than anyone else before, during, and after the time of the apostles receiving visions from their own gods. The main issue is that Paul said that no one actually ever saw Jesus on Earth, only in visions, including Peter and James.\n>The apostle's dying a martyrs death professing the truth of Christianity\nSee: Heaven's Gate, Aum Shinrikyo"}, {"id": 36, "content": "atheist is always asking others to do what they cant.\n\n>hurr durr if Jesus is real, then name all the possible rocks and their trajectories that determined the coordinates in the universe where/when the resurrection happened\n\nso retarded. I pray that they all break through that dead end one day though."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nwhy should we think some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nWhy do you believe a bunch of Jews died for a magic Jew?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nThat's not a historical account anymore than Scientology is a historical account of the life of L. Ron Hubbard"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njudaism"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The historical accounts of Jesus Christ\nHappened for the most part, was a street preacher in Judea\n>The crucifiction\nIt happened, crucifixion was a common punishment in the empire.\n>The empty tomb\nfake lmao\n>The apostle's allegedly meeting Jesus Christ after his death\nfake lmao, they needed legitimacy for their cult object after his death\n>The apostle's dying a martyrs death professing the truth of Christianity\nExtremism is a guaranteed in the early years of the church\n\nLot of the Bible is actual historical events sprinkled with the supernatural influence of the God of the Israelites"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The empty tomb\nShow me Jesus'tomb"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nSo, since you suppose that the apostles deliberately lied, do you think it makes sense that they would die for something they know to be false?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>30\nThere may well have been a man who conquered the known world and went by the moniker of “elephant”. If enough time passes, he might be considered a god by other later generations who wrote down the story as a myth or legend. The story of Ganesh clearly fits into the myth or epic genre of literature.\nThe story of Jesus down not fit into those categories."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>38\nBecause they saw what they claimed they saw. I’d bet seeing what Jesus did will change a man forever."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nWhy do you believe they died?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nThat’s a good point, but not in the way you think. Christians had lots of opposition in the early centuries. If there were a tomb that the Jews could point to, I’m sure they would have."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nthey died because of their respect for their preacher. and some like paul converted only after his death as well. They \"lied\" about the man's miracles and healing too, why would lying about a resurrection bet that hard to believe?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nWhy do you believe they saw it?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>they died because of their respect for their preacher.\nWhat? Most of the apostles literally fled from the Romans when Jesus was arrested, and were hiding in fear for days after his crucifixion. Why would they suddenly gain the courage out of nowhere?\n>They \"lied\" about the man's miracles and healing too, why would lying about a resurrection bet that hard to believe?\nBecause no rational person dies for a mere lie. And what did they even have to gain by lying? They were actively persecuted for years. And if the apostles lied about the ressurrection, why didn't the Jews or the Romans simply reveal the body of Jesus in the tomb?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nThe writings of Suetonius, Tacitus, and the New Testament of course."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe KJV bible"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nYou know, maybe me saying the empty tomb is fake was wrong. That could happen if someone took the body. All we have to go on is the New Testament which states that Joseph took the body either alone or with some people. Anything could happen after that. They didn't necessarily have to place his body in the tomb, for example. A conspiracy regarding his body isn't out of the question. The other believers would follow through.\n\nThey needed something to make Jesus' preachings more legitimate and the resurrection that Jesus predicted coming true would do that for them and inspire others."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nExcept that it says Roman soldiers stood guard over the tomb."}, {"id": 55, "content": "The most entertaining part of these debates to me is always nonbelievers saying they won't believe anything because there is insufficient proof, when maintaining the stance takes as much acceptance of what people have said throughout history as the inverse.\nIf you don't believe in the resurrection or Jesus, then you also need to approach every other historical figure with the same skepticism.\nSo that means no Ceasar, no Alexander, no Charlemagne, let alone any of the other lesser figures of history.\nIt's a willful denial."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nWhere did Suetonius say that the apostles were martyred?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nIf Caesar, Alexander, or Charlemagbe claimed they rose from the dead or generated bread and fish out of thin air I'd call bullshit on them too.\n\nAnd you do approach their historical assertions with an understanding of possible bias, so you attempt to find other sources that corroborate the statements. Jesus being resurrected is literally only stated by his religious zealots in the gospels. There is no corroboration of a contemporary Roman writing about the empty tomb or the bread duping cheat code. There is a corroboration of him existing and being crucified, which is why that's generally accepted fact.\n\nAlso you're a retard"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nNow why would they go out of their way to stand guard over a private citizens tomb?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is all in the bible, there is zero outside of that"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>The historical accounts of Jesus Christ.\nSome guy called Jeshua may have existed.\n\n>>The crucifiction\nSaid carpenther was crucified\n\n>>The empty tomb\nUnironicaly made up\n\n>>The apostle's allegedly meeting Jesus Christ after his death.\nSee above\n\n>>The apostle's dying a martyrs death professing the truth of Christianity.\n\nThat they believed in what they were saying, which doesn't have any bearing on the veracity of it."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>36\n>Damn atheists, always asking for evidence of our claims?\n>Why can't they just be gullible and retarded?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>43\nSo the 9/11 hijackers did not believe in their ideology but were liars?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>The historical accounts of Jesus Christ\n>>The crucifiction\nNothing interesting to say about those.\n\n>>The empty tomb\n>>The apostle's allegedly meeting Jesus Christ after his death\nLiterally no evidence.\n\n>>The apostle's dying a martyrs death professing the truth of Christianity\nThat's what happens when you're brainwashed."}, {"id": 64, "content": "The empty tomb is the dumbest shit\n\nIf there truly was an empty tomb as the site of Jesus resurrection, should we expect early Christians to forget it's location? ( Constantine's people arbitrarily designating a location for the Church of the Sephulcer doesn't count)\nNo! This seems highly unexpected.\nI would expect the early Christians to remember the site of the resurrection and turn it into a place of pilgrimage/veneration, something like that"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>the site of the resurrection\nChurch of the Holy Sepulchre"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\nSo the tomb wasn't empty? Why didn't the Jews or Romans reveal the body and debunk Christianity right then and there?\n>>63\nSee above."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>why didn't the Jews or Romans reveal the body and debunk Christianity\nHow do you know that they didn't?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>31\nAlexander wasn't a faggot you kike"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>55\n>So that means no Ceasar, no Alexander, no Charlemagne\nThe evidence for those three existing are a lot more convincing and also contemporary than the evidence for Jesus."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nHe literally had a boyfriend, this is documented. Ancient greeks and macedonians were all homos."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">Some guy that isn't the son of God, didn't rise from the dead, didn't do miracles and wasn't names Jesus - that guy, he really existed\nwooooow"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\n>Why didn't the Jews or Romans reveal the body and debunk Christianity right then and there?\n\nBecause the claim of jesus coming back was made decades after the fact, there was no debunking a cult thatalready believes jesus was resurrected with a bunch of bones from an unmarked tomb"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>55\nCaesar and Alexander were not Abrahamists. Abrahamists should be mistrusted in all circumstances"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe New Testament is basically Roman propaganda aside from a parts that somehow made it through the censorship like:\n>\"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.\"\n>\"Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them bring them and kill them in front of me.’”\n>\"If you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.\"\n\nFrom the non-edited parts of the NT, we can guess that Jesus was likely a very charimastic Messianic claimant who led a failed insurection against the Romans. After he was put to death by the Romans, his descendants (Desposunoi) inherited his movement but decided to play the long game seeing that the Romans were too strong to be defeated in battle at the moment. However the Romans didn't wait for them to lick their wounds and attempt a new uprising, they subverted what remained of the Jesus movement through fake converts like Paul who made up the Virgin Birth story to undermine the claim of Jesus' descendants to kingship, as well as fake teachings (turn the other cheeks, love your enemies, render unto caesar) to tame Jesus' followers into obedient little tax-paying idol-worshipping cucks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was Christianity like as practiced in Anglo-Saxon England?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think Anglo-Saxon Christian history is out there, what I think is more obscure is what was going on in the 1st and 2nd century"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">anglos walking around whipping themselves"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThat's well documented."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nYeah 1st and 2nd are very well documented. We even have original prayers they used to bless the eucharist, etc."}, {"id": 7, "content": "A monk named Gregory (who in 590 became Pope Gregory I) was walking through the market when he noticed some young boys being sold as slaves. Struck by their beauty, he asked where they were from and was told they were Angles, prompting a famous pun. “Good”, he reportedly replied. “They have the face of angels, and such men should be the fellow heirs of angels in heaven.”"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis painting comes to mind. I reckon the people that brought the faith there would have had a rough time.\n>>7\nBased.\n\n>In comparison to its uninterrupted continuity in the culturally Brittonic west, Christianity was extinguished in the east with the arrival of the Saxons, and was reintroduced to eastern Britain by the Gregorian Mission, c.600. Establishing his archdiocese at Canterbury, Augustine of Canterbury failed to establish his authority over the Welsh church at Chester but his mission—with help from Celtic missionaries such as Aidan and Cuthbert—proved successful in Kent and then Northumbria: the two provinces of the English Church continue to be led from the cathedrals of Canterbury and York (est. 735). Owing to the importance of the Scottish missions, Northumbria initially followed the native Church in its calculation of Easter and tonsure but then aligned itself with Canterbury and Rome at the 664 Synod of Whitby. Early English Christian documents surviving from this time include the 7th-century illuminated Lindisfarne Gospels[18] and the historical accounts written by the Venerable Bede."}, {"id": 9, "content": "the catholic way. All the way until Henry VIII changed things, Henry the VIII was actually a devout catholic for many years and was praised by the church. It was when he lost his mind about not being able to sire a son when things turned. But pre-injured fatcunt henry, when he was in his prime, in shape and fighting well on the battlefield, he was a pious roman catholic"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were catholic but had their own Atuchton church and traditions up until the Normans wiped old saxon culture clean."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nWhat's that pic of?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike everything else in Anglo-Saxon England, abominable."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Stupid, irrelevant question, but I was playing Elden Ring, saw this dude, and wondered if there are any historical examples of wide brim hats that were integrated into armored helmets for the sake of fashion."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's a big guy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>wondered if there are any historical examples of wide brim hats that were integrated into armored helmets"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThats on me. I was asking for something more antiquated."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWasn't that for falling shrapnel, similar to a kettle helm? Not for fashion?\n\n>>1 (OP)\nSorry op, but I think kettle helms are the closest that we ever got to that, even if they weren't for fashion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So I keep seeing people say anything from “A large number of gay rights activists were Jewish” (a statement I wouldn’t be surprised at if it’s true) and that alternatively, it’s a big Jewish conspiracy. In either case, why should I, a bisexual man. Not be grateful? Inb4 “you’re a pedophile” no I am not."}, {"id": 2, "content": "History & Humanities?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a pointless thread. A bird for history and humanities and you find a way to blog about yourself like we give a fuck about (You) and your mental illness.\n\nYou really are a faggot given how narcissistic you are lmfao"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nMuch of the campaign for queer rights happened over 25 years ago."}, {"id": 5, "content": "this argument is usually directed at heterosexuals, not at members of the LGBTQ community"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nYou're not white"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy should we, normal healthy people, like someone like you who thinks it's good to stick his cock in literal shit?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI am not interested in anal sex. Find a better argument."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI'm not making an \"argument\". I'm asking why we should give a fuck about you or what you think is good when there is something wrong with your brain. Why should the mentally ill be dictating anything to normal, mentally well people?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy boyfriend is a Jew and I hate Jews and would personally kill them all given the opportunity. Simple as."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Have you ever read Leviticus?\n\npeople named Levi are kind of named after it"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhey doesn't the Torah contain a little passage called Leviticus 18:22?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nNo I have not. Since I am not a Jew, or even a Christian, I eat shellfish, west mixed fabrics, and eat pork all I like. Not my religion, not my problem."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThat isn’t what the post is about, I’m asking why I would or should dislike Jews. Try to stay on topic."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey invented homophobia"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Jews caring about their religion’s rules\nIDK, they seem pretty willing to Jew God with their bullshit loopholes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In either case, why should I, a bisexual man. Not be grateful?\n\nYou certainly should be grateful. If it wasn't for jews, you pederasts would still be getting sterilized for the general benefit of society. Homosexualist anti-semites are the most ungrateful people in existence."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nWhy do you think a fuck teens and older preteens or that I am in their position when I am not? If you don’t have any evidence or reason to believe that I am a nonce, it’s not classy to falsely accuse me."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>talk about me some more\nI answered your question, pederast. Yes, you should thank the jews for making a society in which you can prey upon children. I believe that concludes the thread."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nBut Semitic morality is the only reason the West abandoned male eros in the first place anon"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>semitic morality\nit wasn't black hatters making the gay propaganda you clueless subhuman."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThe cosmopolitan Jews you complain about are just revolting against ultra-Orthodox Puritanism and going too far the other way, by valorising obscenity. If Europe hadn’t been thrown off balance by Christianity in the first place we wouldn’t have this problem. Homosexuality in antiquity was, like heterosexuality, regulated by a set of norms and given a social function. It was not repressed, and therefore it didn’t become deviant either. It operated within a virtuous mean"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>Get called a pederest\n>Point out that I am not one\n>Get accused of making it about myself\nThis makes no sense."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nnah it was just as faggy and predatory then as well."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Memnon of Rhodes was, in a lot of ways, Alexander the Great's greatest opponent; not tactically but strategically. Despite losing badly at Granicus, he actually outgeneralled Alex a few times, more than anyone he faced after. If he had been allowed to go through with his scorched earth policy, Alexander might have never made it into the Persian heartland."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Don’t care about some assholes “conquering” farms and fields to make an “empire” that lasts 10 years before the next asshole comes along. Vanity and ego is definitely a worthwhile price to pay for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people and technological and cultural stagnation! (Sarcasm).\n\nAlexander of Macedonia did free the Jews and give them more rights which was pretty based though"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe guy literally Porto-yi sun shin of western asia."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how would a soviet invasion of japan have played out?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shumshu\nExtremely poorly."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan wins, again"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsoviets didn't have the ships or landing craft to invade hokkaido"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith what ships?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Extremely poorly\n>Soviet victory with equal numbers\n???"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">soviet invasion\n>over water\nlol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThey caught the Japanese by complete surprise and had a fleet detachment to provide artillery support, which the Japanese did not, and they still suffered worse casualties because their landing was uncoordinated and their navy couldn't bombard the broad side of a mountain."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nHe meant extremely poorly for the Japanese, of course. Why are you assuming that he's retarded?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nEveryone starts out inexperienced, but quickly learn\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tarawa"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBetter than the invasion of Ukraine, granted that's such a low fucking bar that it isn't even worth noting."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia hasn't had a competent navy since Peter the Great. They wouldn't have invaded Japan, but Japan knew that their territory on the continent would be steamrolled if they provoked them, hence the neutrality pact."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nviolently"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would ended in a day for me"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nSoviet Union =/= Russian Federation"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nDidn't the manage to land in Korea?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All things considered, is religion more harmful than beneficial to the world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion is beneficial. It allows a race to organize their ethos in a manner that can be applied universally whether through R&D or waging war. Christianity allowed Europeans to effectively impose their culture on others in a uniform fashion.\n\nGod doesn't exist. Only race wars exist."}, {"id": 3, "content": "which religion"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnobody would die for a lie etc."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Abrahamic religion is"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>what is Heaven's Gate"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>what is Nazism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>what is autism that's stopping you from getting the reference"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>Christianity allowed Europeans to effectively impose their culture on others in a uniform fashion\nThanks for muddying the gene-pool. Asshole.\nJust because they wear the same dress of speak the same language doesn't mean that they belong in the group."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI mean they imposed Christianity (and Roman cultural legacy) on other Europeans so....."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Protestant does not mean \"protests the church\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes it does"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It means “pro-testant” (supports the New Testament)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck off, Dirk."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">this post was caught by our algorithms as spreading misinformation"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>5\nTell me if you're being sarcastic"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt means go away little smelly moorish boys leave the faith to big Germanic bulls"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Protestant means believes the bible"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt means \"Remove James from the Bible and eat literal shit\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt means \"protests the Catholic Church\"."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThat quote is not in your screenshot"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIs Martin Luther in the room with us right now?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Protestants don't publicly identify themselves \"protestant\" its a word the papists referred to them as\nthey consider themselves Presbylutheran or just plain Christians"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nIt literally says \"equivalent to protest + -ant\", and \"A member of any of several Christian denominations which separated from the Roman Catholic Church based on theological or political differences during the Reformation (or in some cases later)."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe Catholic church is not Christian"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>its a word the papists referred to them as"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nYes\nWhat was the protest?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI don't know why you refuse to read what has been posted again and again.\n\nhttps://www.etymonline.com/word/Protestant"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt was the protest of German princes against an Imperial edict. Not of Christians against a church."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestation_at_Speyer?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Originally used of German princes and free cities who declared their dissent from (\"protested\") the decision of the Diet of Speyer (1529), which reversed the liberal terms allowed Lutherans in 1526.\n\nRead this next part very carefully.\n\n>The word was taken up by the Lutherans in Germany (Swiss and French preferred Reformed). It became the general word for \"adherents of the Reformation in Germany,\" then \"member of any Western church outside the Roman (or Greek) communion;\" a sense attested in English by 1553."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThis is literally what I just said. Reading comprehension baka"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nDid you read the second part, or are you still ignoring it?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nWho was the protest against?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy the way, what exactly do you think \"Protestant\" means? You didn't say in the OP. You can't just say something is wrong without providing the \"correct\" alternative."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nAgain, no reading comprehension"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nGo ahead and tell us what you think \"Protestant\" means."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nI think Dirk has snapped and has been reduced to a semantics troll now."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nI can\nReally I'm trying to gauge how prevalent this idea is. I want to know if it can be traced to a particular polemicist or tract or something (like the 30,000 denominations meme) or if it's just organic cultural ignorance"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrue, it means \"protests the Catholic Church\""}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nOk then you're wrong, and I don't have to explain why."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>>20\n\nYou should feel embarrassed"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nA Protestant is someone who believes in the 5 solas of the Reformation."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nNo it's not."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nBefore I get some autistic reply that continues to display a lack of reading comprehension, look at the OP again. Neither in its etymological origin nor in its present meaning does \"Protestant\" connote protest against any church. Only a narcissistic Romanist would think believing the 5 solas means protesting against Rome"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nYes it is."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>Only a narcissistic Romanist would think believing the 5 solas means protesting against Rome\nSource?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nDirk, I'm really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and a charitable interpretation of what you have said, but I need help here. What does it accomplish to redefine the word \"Protestant\" in this context? Are you saying that modern Protestants are not opposed to the Catholic Church? If that's what you're saying I agree with you, but you don't need to redefine words to get there. Are you saying that you disagree with the negative connotation of \"Protestant\"? So do I, and I prefer the umbrella term \"Christian\" which includes all Christians alike. I just don't understand why you want to die on these semantic hills. Please help me out, Dirk."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nthis. What a weird autistic hill to be on. Even stranger than KJV-onlyism."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\nI'm sorry if I'm getting angry or impatient, but I can't understand what you are saying and it is frustrating."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n>dude those Protestants at their churches just talk about how much they hate muh church! it's their whole theology!\nMeds now"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nI'm not saying that modern Protestants do that, but the 5 Solas are specifically formulated to distinguish between the Roman Catholic beliefs and the Reformers' beliefs. I don't know how you could say otherwise."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nYou are not understanding that I am not redefining the term. Protestant has never referred to protest against a church, it's that simple."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nThe solas are formulated to define our theology."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>29\n>I can\n>doesn't answer the question"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nWasn't the entire point of the Reformation to reform the Catholic Church or am I missing something here? Are you saying that Protestantism was it's own thing that predated the Reformation? We could call them \"Reformers\" instead of \"Protestants\", but I think you would be in the same predicament of explaining what exactly they were reforming that came before the Reformation."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nYes exactly\nI can say you're wrong without providing the right answer\n\nAs it happens I did if you would just read the thread\n\n>>46\nYes the reformation was about reform of the church\nNo I'm not committing anachronism\n\nAre you aware of the protestation at Speyer?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nIt did reform the Church. Reformed is short for Reformed Catholic"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nYes, I'm aware of it. And if I understand correctly, it was a response to the earlier Diet of Worms which was theological in nature, and political by extension."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nWho protested who or what?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>The Protestant delegates refused to be bound by secular authority in matters of faith. On 20 April they presented the \"Letter of Protestation\", which Ferdinand refused to accept. Therefore, it did not come to be read out, but was printed and made public.\n\n>The \"Letter of Protestation\" was signed by Johann, Elector of Saxony, Georg, Margrave of Brandenburg, Ernst, Duke of Braunschweig-Lüneburg, Philipp, Landgrave of Hesse, and Wolfgang, Prince of Anhalt.\n\n>At the final sitting of the Diet on 24 April the \"decision of the Diet\" was once more read out, but no word was said of the protest by the evangelical princes. In response the councils of the evangelical princes and the agents of the Free Cities met on 25 April and drew up a Instrumentum Appellationis, in which complaints against the decision of the Diet were once more summarised. This text was brought to the Holy Roman Emperor by an embassy. Since this Diet in Speyer the adherents of the reform movement became known as \"Protestants\", and thus the protestation of the Princes and Free Cities has been seen as the birth of Protestantism."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nRight\nSo you see at no point does an evangelical protest the church\n\nProtestant refers to the historical event of the protest that evangelical princes made against the restriction of the evangelical faith and gospel, after it had already been banned then allowed and banned again\nIn short, the evangelicals protested their imperial banning\n\nFailing to understand the etymology here results in pseud trads calling NO mass \"protestant\" in protest of the true Latin mass, or NO Catholics calling sedes \"protestant\" because they protest vat 2, and everyone involved just thinks a \"protestant\" is a reactionary defined in response to whatever Rome is doing\n\nLet it be known that the evangelicals were unwillingly removed from the one (western) church because Rome didn't want to hear her sins, ironically making Rome the schismatics depending on your read of JDDJ"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nTo be fair they actually use Protestant to mean \"anything I don't like\". I've seen tradcaths call Islam and atheism Protestant"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>12\nNo he's eating boiling shit in hell"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>15\n>if u don't like something it's not christian cause my own interpretation of the bible is the right one"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nI still don't think that you understand that they were protesting against the Holy Roman Empire which was Catholic."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nThey were princes who protested the revocation of an edict, the decision of the Reichstag. They remained princes within the HRE and voiced their commitment to the HRE in the protestation.\nIt was not an ecclesiastical council.\nIn the view of the protestants they were preserving the truth of the church by objecting to her inappropriate imperial stifling."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nCatholic doctrines are contrary to Christianity, like for example their co-mediator mary, Jesus is the only mediator"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nThey remained princes, but they created by their Protestation, which fell along theological differences from the Catholic Church, a new branch of \"Protestantism\", which term was adopted by all Reformers to signal their difference to the Catholic Faith. This seems to me like the most minute hair splitting, that I don't know what practical difference it makes. The fact remains that the Protestants protested against the Catholics. The Reformers \"reformed\" the Catholic Church. The key difference between the \"Protestants\" and the \"Catholics\" was their view of the Pope, which is why Catholics label anyone who splits off from the Pope's authority a \"Protestant\", although a \"Schismatic\" would probably be a more accurate term if we absolutely had to split hairs.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Torgau"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nI'm not hair splitting. I'm pointing you to objective, uncontroversial history. Your recent ignorance does not change it, sorry for bursting that bubble for you.\nYou are apparently trying to redefine a term.\n\nShow me one language authority which understands \"protestant\" to mean \"protests the church\"\nAs far as I can tell this is an entirely online and very recent misunderstanding, so what it says about you is that you get your theology and church history from 4chan instead of books and the classroom. Yikes!"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou're right, it means they've joined in with the other christcucks protesting a basic understanding of history and logic."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\n>Show me one language authority which understands \"protestant\" to mean \"protests the church\"\nHere are eight that say exactly that. This definition of the word goes back to the 1640s. It is not a \"recent invention\".\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism\n\nhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Protestantism\n\nhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Protestantism\n\nhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/protestantism\n\nhttps://www.dictionary.com/browse/protestantism\n\nhttps://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/protestantism\n\nhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protestantism\n\nhttps://glosbe.com/en/en/protestantism\n\nhttps://www.etymonline.com/word/protestantism"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nYou're trolling me"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>13\nEarly protestants rejected it. But later it was adopted by most reformed churches, especially in Europe"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nYou can't just change the definition of a word that goes back at least 383 years."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>58\nPlease explain to me who mediated in the decades between the death of Christ and the writing of all the books of the New Testament"}, {"id": 67, "content": "Threads like these prove why nobody should be allowed to read the bible"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDude"}, {"id": 69, "content": "DIRK DIRK\nREFORMED SMIRK\nDIRK DIRK\nIS A JERK\nDIRK DIRK\nHE LIKES THE TURK\nDIRK DIRK\nHE LOVES TO LURK"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>65\nThat's my point\nNone of those say \"protests the church\""}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDirk how do I become a Protestant"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nGo to a protestant church"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe word \"Protestant\" is derived from the Latin word \"protestari\", which means to publicly declare or attest to something. In the 16th century, this word was used to refer to those who publicly protested against certain practices and doctrines of the Catholic Church.\n\nThe term \"Protestant\" first came into use during the Diet of Speyer in 1529 when a group of German princes and representatives of free imperial cities protested against a decision by the Catholic majority to suppress the spread of Lutheran teachings. These protesters issued a formal statement, known as the \"Protestation at Speyer,\" in which they declared their opposition to the Catholic Church's actions and their adherence to the principles of the Protestant Reformation.\n\nOver time, the term \"Protestant\" came to be used more broadly to refer to any individual or group who rejected the authority of the Catholic Church and instead embraced one of the various Protestant denominations that emerged during the Reformation. Today, the term continues to be used to describe those who belong to Protestant Christian denominations.\n\nSources:\n\nEncyclopedia Britannica: Protestantism\nMerriam-Webster Dictionary: Protestant\nThe Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, edited by F.L. Cross and E.A. Livingstone."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nNice try"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nYeah it also wasn't during the diet of Speyer it was after\nWhich ai bot is this?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nIt was actually a protest against a decision made by the Catholic majority to rescind a previous ruling that had allowed for greater religious freedom and tolerance for the growing Protestant movement. Not technically protesting the clerics, but some section of the laity acting in line with their Catholic beliefs. It’s good trivia, but I wouldn’t call NO people pseuds for using the word in other ways, since it’s very a propos.\n\nI saw you yesterday. Protestants believe that God is infallible, that God is Spirit, and that the life of the church is animated by the Holy Spirit, right?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>it also wasn't during the diet of Speyer it was after\nNow that’s hairsplitting"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nThey are pseuds precisely because they do not know the definition and etymology of this central term they're trying to employ\n\nMy point could not be simpler. Protestant doesn't mean \"protests the church\". There's no debate to be made."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nIf you’re a congregationalist then why don’t you consider some group of Christians acting out their Christian beliefs to be “the church”?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nAre you trying to argue that the members of the Reichstag who upheld Speyer 2 were a church"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nWere “the” church"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nThat’s also rich coming from you, considering you believe that in Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus grants to each local church the ambassadorial authority to representatively declare who does and does not belong to the kingdom of heaven"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nOk\nNo, I don't see them as a church, they didnt either, and neither has anyone in recorded history since the sixteenth century\n\nNot that I need to justify this to you because even if they were a/the church, the term protestant doesn't refer to protest against it. The term has never meant this.\n\nIf you disagree all you have to do is find a source that defines the term that way"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nA church has officers and observes the sacraments. It's a self conscious institution, not any group of believers.\n\nEnough projection please\nRefute my point or concede"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nSuffice it to say, some non-papists were protesting something to do with the Pope, and call it a day"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nWhere exactly does the pope come in to this event in your mind"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>a protest against a decision made by a papist majority to rescind a previous ruling that had allowed for greater religious freedom and tolerance for the growing number of non-papists\nHmm I wonder…"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nI'm asking you\nDo you know what an evangelical is in this context?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>43\nhow about you tell us what it actually is suposed to mean then. Your intended gauging must surely be concluded by now"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nokay nevermind it seems you already sort of have done"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\nLet’s say it’s 1950 and a very Catholic Quebec City passes a motion restricting the freedoms of Protestants in Quebec. The Protestant minority protests this and pushes back. Is this a protest against the Catholic Church or not? No, not directly, or institutionally. So you’re not technically wrong. But is it essentially a religious feud and a proxy battle expressing different views about the question of the Pope’s authority? Yes"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>88\n>Do you know what an evangelical is in this context?\nI forgot to say, no"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nThe protestants would be protesting a local city policy, not the catholic church unless the church somehow dictated the local policy\n\nIs it a proxy battle about the popes authority? No, and neither was it in the sixteenth century at this point. An evangelical is essentially a lutheran. It's one who professing the evangelical (gospel) faith.\nTrent was 20 years off and they still sought reform in the church, not outside it. Even after Trent they did (and still do) affirm that the pope is a legitimate bishop with a legitimate jurisdiction, even in the words of Luther a \"true church\". The evangelical distinction is not an issue of the Pope, it's about the definition of the gospel, and remember that to the evangelicals they were preserving what has always been true and taught in the church.\n\nI want to ask you, why are you so set on thinking that the term DOES refer to protesting the catholic church? Did someone teach this to you? Did you just assume it because it contains the word \"protest\" and they're not catholic? By that logic it could just as well mean protesting the doctrines of the Jews or moselms"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nIt’s somewhat of a moot point, since protesting the government in this way is against the Bible anyway (Romans 13).\n>1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.\n>2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.\n>3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.\n>4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.\n>5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.\nVery perspicuous.\nBut yes this was a proxy battle for the Vatican, no doubt.\n>I want to ask you, why are you so set on thinking that the term DOES refer to protesting the catholic church? Did someone teach this to you?\nThat’s its common usage in language. No one uses the word to describe political dissidents of the HRE."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>3\n>(supports the New Testament)\nlet's just remove the Epistle of James..."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>That's its common usage\nShow me"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat does it mean?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>unknown\nSource?\n\n>>97\nIts a christian tradition\nThe term is derived from a political event called the protestation at Speyer"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\n>protestation at Speyer\nSo, Protestantism is about protesting the ban against Martin Luther?\n>Its a christian tradition\nTradition is literally evil. Be careful."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>Source?\nRepeated ad nauseum on page of Google means it’s common parlance.\n\nNow that we are hanging out, can you answer something I’ve been confused about when it comes to your beliefs, which is whether you believe the Holy Spirit is animating the life of the church, or not?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\n>Tradition is literally evil. Be careful.\nSame question to you too, is the Holy Spirit the life of the entire church?"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nNot a Christian or an autistic retard, so I can't answer that question, sorry."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\nBasically yeah\n\n>>100\nI believe it is often mistakenly used that way. But I do not believe it's the common or true meaning. It certainly is not the historic meaning.\n\nThe holy spirit indwells the believer and guides, comforts, convicts him. The spirit also guides groups of Christians by extension, especially the more deliberate they are about seeking him. Christians are imperfect in their obedience to him."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nWell Dirk is both of those things (like me) so I hope he steps up"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n>I believe it is often mistakenly used that way. But I do not believe it's the common or true meaning. It certainly is not the historic meaning\nFair\n>>103\n>The holy spirit indwells the believer and guides, comforts, convicts him. The spirit also guides groups of Christians by extension, [depending on how] deliberate they are about seeking him\nIsn’t that synergist?\nDo you not believe that the Spirit leads your congregation corporately?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nSynergism has to do with salvation\nI do"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nI would say that salvation has something to do with the extent that someone is seeking and being guided by Him, but putting that aside.\n\nDo you think that through sincere participation in the life of your congregation, someone would be brought into the life of the Spirit?\n>if yes\nThen do you think that by being closer to God in this way, someone would be a more authoritative teacher of the Bible?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nWe don't use that terminology and I'm not sure what connotation it has in your camp\nThe church is tasked with leading men to salvation, which means regeneration and the indwelling of the spirit\n\nThe more spirit led someone is the better. Sometimes (like in pentecostalism) the claim of spirit guardedness is used to bully the congregation into self serving projects and heretical doctrines"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\n>We don't use that terminology\nWhat special terminology did I use? I’m using barebones Christian language here. Spirit, church, life. I don’t think it’s a crazy idea that through participating in the actual assembly of Christians, one is participating in the literal life of God (the resurrection of Christ), do you?"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>94\nSo should the apostles have worshipped the Roman idols rather than protesting them and being killed for it?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n\"The spirit is the life of the church\"\n\n>>unknown\nRight"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\n>\"The spirit is the life of the church\"\nI accept that you maybe hadn’t thought about it that way, but which part of the statement do you disagree with? Do you maybe not think that the Spirit leads the Christian church? How do we make sense of Pentecost then?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>unknown\n>>111\n>applied to those who, by […] supported the Reformation\nThat definition of Protestant literally connects it directly to the Reformation which is explicitly religious.\n\n>>110\nIt’s just a contradiction bro"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nObviously\n\n>>112\nSeems fine but terms like this can be loaded"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nLoaded how?\n\nIf it seems fine, are you also fine with the idea that the Spirit has always led the assembly of believers from the beginning, since Pentecost?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>6\n>The Protestant Reformation was not protesting the Catholic Church\nPeak\nretard"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\n>Protestant Reformation\nThe basis of the Reformation was the eviction of Pagan heresies from the true church"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nProtestants don’t believe in a church, they just believe in a collection of individuals believers each subscribing to true doctrine on their own, not conforming to any group."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>116\nWhat does \"reform\" mean?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\nFalse"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nHow come all you ever do is ask silly, overly basic questions to whoever you’re speaking with?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nWhich particular group of Christians are believers called to conform their beliefs to? Other than the abstract set of “all those who share my reading of scripture”, of course."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>121\nThe people I'm speaking with often need to have basic concepts put in front of their faces\n\n>>122\nTheir church"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\n>The people I'm speaking with often need to have basic concepts put in front of their faces\nIt just wastes time and posts. You should just get whatever you mean to say out of the way rather than asking leading questions that may or may not get answered.\n\n>Their church\nSo the LDS church, if someone happens to be Mormon?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nI'll do what I want"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\nOf course you will, you’re a Protestant"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes it does they don't believe in Church authority and tradition but merely a compilation of books."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What even happened in this decade aside from ww1?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore african colonisation: Boer War"}, {"id": 3, "content": "cars will never take off. its just a fad\n#horses4life"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's hard to talk about the decade in Eurasia without bringing up WWI at all and obviously SSAfrica is a wasteland of little note. Civil wars all across Lat and America communist parties establishing themselves there as well. Even that far from Europe, there were many German and British ships going at it very close to or within S. American territorial waters. The Titanic happened ofc.\n\nIn the continental US, Arizona becomes the last state to join the Union. there were still Apache and other indian tribes holding out against settler governments. There are a few documented cases of them abandoning the Rez and turning to banditry as well as rumors of a band of Apache that were operating on the Mexican-American border. Probably the last instance of skirmishes between natives and Americans. The Banana wars were also happening at this time (too big to talk about here). Ford also debuted the assembly line in his factories.\n\nThere was also that factory fire that led to talks about regulations and some of the first safety measures taken in crowded buildings.\n>The company's owners, Max Blanck and Isaac Harris – both Jewish immigrants[47] – who survived the fire by fleeing to the building's roof when it began, were indicted on charges of first- and second-degree manslaughter in mid-April; the pair's trial began on December 4, 1911.[48] Max Steuer, counsel for the defendants, managed to destroy the credibility of one of the survivors, Kate Alterman, by asking her to repeat her testimony a number of times.\nThe chinks fell into warlordism between this period and the 40s due to the collapse of the last imperial dynasty.\n\nOff the top of my head."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBalkan wars"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Mexican revolution"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Photoelectric Effect (March 1905): In this paper, Einstein proposed that light is composed of tiny particles called quanta. Consequently, the paper led to the development of the branch of physics known as quantum mechanics."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Titanic sank"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>1910s\n>boer war"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMexican Revolution 1910-1920\nBalkan Wars 1912-1913\nWW1 1914-1918\nRussian Civil War 1917-1920\nArmenian Genocide 1915\nGreco-Turkish War 1919-1922\nWarlord China 1916-1928 (Anarchy)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">be Mietek Grocher\n>be Polish jew\n>rounded up from home in Warsaw as a teenager\n>sent to 9 different death camps\n>survive all the death camps\n>have a close call with death at Majdanek death camp, but escape by moonwalking backwards past the Nazi guards\n>phew.png that was a close call!\n>write your memoirs in 1996\n>immediately heralded by the European press as a heroic survivor of Le Heckin Nazi death camps, also inventing Michael Jackson's signature dance move in the process\n>get exposed by a real historian in 2010 for having plagiarized your entire life story from a work of fiction written by Leon Uris in 1961\n>oops.png\n>it was real in my mind!\n>die in 2017\n>Wikipedia still lists you as a holocaust survivor at the top of your biographical page, and your \"survivor testimony\" is used as proof on dozens of Holocaust fanfiction websites like the USC Shoah Foundation, auschwitz.org, and others\n\nDoes the Holocaust suffer from a credibility problem?\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mietek_Grocher"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Gonna save everyone a lot of wasted time.\n\nIt’s a random polish jew that survived the holocaust and wrote a memoir many years later that was only published in Swedish.\n\nLeave the guy alone. I’m going to entertain your doubts, say even if you think he embellished his memoirs with aspects from another novel, consider the fact he actually lives through the Warsaw ghetto and so perhaps it was emotionally difficult to write about that, and he felt the need to take facts from another story as a way to confront his own experiences. Perhaps he wanted to show what it was like for the other people that didn’t make it. Imagine the survivors guilt he must have had. He survived the holocaust and whatever he decided to write afterwards is his own business.\n\nThe reality is he probably embellished or plagiarized very little, and his only critic was a triggered polack who’s attack of authenticity was not even published by anyone because editors rejected it for being circumstantial and without a basis of evidence. Literally just grasping at straws\n\nThe holocaust is the single most documented atrocity in human history. Photographs, video footage, interviews from survivors, soldiers and liberators, citizens and nearby townspeople, nazis, German guards, nazis leadership, etc"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>it was emotionally difficult to write about that, and he felt the need to take facts from another story as a way to confront his own experiences\nI lived next to some criminally inclined black people in the 90s and it was really unpleasant. Would it be acceptable for me to write a memoir in which I plagiarized the contents of the Death Wish movies to describe this chapter of my life?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Have sympathy on yet another hoaxer who throws the legitimacy of the Holocaust into question, by lazily stealing from a work of fiction and claiming it as his nonfiction biography.\nAnd why would anybody ever do this?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nOnly Jews act like this. You literally just do not hear about this sort of absurd behaviour from anyone else in any other genocide or whatever."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>>5\nAgain the only critic was never taken seriously and had to self publish because his accusation was completely unfounded. He was literally a seething pole because the memoir contained a section regarding the polish fighting German tanks while on horseback and that triggered him for being “historically inaccurate” (hint: if everyone else agrees on a historical fact except for you, then you are the wrong one)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhy are you jewish?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nArmenian actually, so I sympathize with victims of genocide denial"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhy do you choose to be jewish despite being Armenian? Israel supplied arms to Azerbaijan 3 years ago."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nBut now you're trying to rearrange the OP to suit you. The topic is:\n>Does the Holocaust suffer from a credibility problem?\nAnd Mietek Grocher's fake life story, not whichever holocaust denier you're trying to evoke here. Defend the fraud please, do not try to deflect onto side topics."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>The Holocaust denier literally has no concept of people with opposing geopolitical stances still having sympathy for what the other went through\nAre you autistic?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNobody went through the story Grocher told; it is made up. One needs a conscious motivation to lie about it and shill the position on this board. No one would ever believe the tale from a neutral position."}, {"id": 13, "content": "So this one anon is imploring us to go easy on fraud, because afterall the Holocaust probably psychologically crushed this fraud's psyche too much to say what really happened to him. Are we witnessing hasbara in this very thread?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>>10\nNot choosing to be anything. Just pointing out the facts that you claim this guy who actually survived the holocaust gave an inaccurate account because a single critic claims he plagiarized a novel about the Warsaw ghetto. I’m saying that this grocher guy is proven to have survived the Warsaw ghetto and the holocaust, so he has significant credibility. I am also pointing out that the critic is not credible himself because not one single editor felt he had any evidence worth publishing.\n\nTherefore, this example indicates holocaust critics suffer a credibility problem just as much as you believe grocher has a credibility problem. Ultimately I don’t think the issue is that important but if you want to read a translation of the memoir, the novel that was allegedly plagiarized from, and the critics allegation and arguments, and then make a post with your opinion that’s fine for you to do. At least you will think for yourself with rational research instead of discounting a holocaust survivor just because someone claims he is a plagiarist and lying.\n\nWhat I am trying to say is claiming someone is lying does not make them a liar until you prove they are. Otherwise simply citing a /pol/ thread would be considered a sufficient argument for denying the holocaust which obviously is absurd and false. It’s the exact same situation"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHis story is fabricated and he is a fraud, regardless of what unattested experiences he may really have had. You have no justifiable reason to run this pathetic defense of him on the internet. I do not deny either the Armenian genocide or the Holocaust at large, but I deny fraudulent Holocaust tales with ease. You too have the ability and know Grocher to be a liar, yet choose to lie as well. At some point in your development you decided that lying is morally good in some situations, but we reject that here."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nHis account is that he escaped the gas chamber at Majdanek by moonwalking past the guards. That's HIS testimony, not the claim made by his critic, and obviously a lie.\nNow prove this assertion please;\n>this guy who actually survived the holocaust\nHow on earth do you verify that Grocher \"survived the Holocaust\", when everything he said about his experiences were lies, unless you choose to believe his story about 9 death camps and walking backwards out of the gas chamber?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nPrisoners being transferred between Nazi concentration camps was not at all uncommon, especially towards the end of the war.\n\nThe moonwalking shit is probably an outright fabrication or wildly mis-remembering of the actual even. Keep in mind that apart from the fact that Holocaust survivors are dramatically more prone to severe mental illness than the general population (I really shouldn't have to fucking explain that), this guy was writing this shit when he was already over 70, for all we know, Alzheimer's was already turning his brain into Swiss cheese by that point."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\n>Israel supplied arms to Azerbaijan 3 years ago.\n\nI'm pretty sure they're still doing it.\n\nhttps://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-04-24/ty-article/israel-aerospace-industries-to-supply-azerbaijan-with-satellites/00000187-b271-d803-ad8f-fe717ffb0000"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did instances of dharma in western literature just spike and drop to nothing in the early 1600s? Were britbongs just suddenly scared to speak about it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "First encounters with Indian thought I'd imagine"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust because they weren't writing about it doesn't mean they weren't talking about it in between these instances. Sampling bias."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Britain\n>India\n>The 1600s\nProbably the Portuguese bvlls telling them about it after their successful conquests in pooland"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndoesn't print spike dramatically over the course of the 17th and 18th century. That probably exaggerates it a bit. Could just be one author and contemporary responses to him etc."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "it should’ve been a haplocurse\nluckily the r1a haplo master is very young and so has strength and youth, almost like a living organism\nplus it would inconvenience the skyfather greatly if russia was suddenly haplocursed so young after all his hard work and effort into building russia and he would have to suddenly search for a new group of subhumans to be the new r1a haplo master, so he gave russia temporary luck like making G stalin face other K2s which protected against a haplocurse or R1a Putin killing R1a ukrainians when other R1as start misbehaving which require R1a heavy weaponry\n-in a few hundred years time he’ll lose interest and the roles will be reversed with non K2 trying to kill internal R1a enemies and being killed as R1as are too cancer or an R1a leader authorising the invasion of another K2 resulting in the R1a nation being killed raped and haplocursed like old times\n\nI1 trump tried to fight against the R1b american democrats but he failed as R1b is too cancer, all that’s left is for Biden to personally authorise the bombing of Iran/Russia and complete the haplocurse\n\nt. schizo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why’d Nasser have an oddly pedophilic look?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>8 kb\nwas there no 4kb option?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "because you're a kike projecting"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Don't you dare touch nasser\n>Jacobo arbenz must go!!!"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Because he was egyptian"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nmi scusi"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>not optimize-posting\nWhy waste bandwith?\n\nYou probably aren't even using windows XP."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Bundy frequently revisited the bodies of those he abducted, grooming and performing sex acts on the corpses until decomposition and destruction by wild animals made any further interactions impossible.\nHuh why?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThink he was part Jewish, at least spiritually."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGee golly, I wonder why an evil degenerate would do evil degenerate things."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe got off on exerting power over helpless victims. What's more helpless than a corpse? Plus it's a way to further demean a victim even after their death, which I'm sure he also relished."}, {"id": 5, "content": "he got off on killing them, so going back and playing with them allows him to relive the experience and enjoy the ecstasy of the act again"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nObsessed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Will Ethipoia and Somalia even exist by year 150?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "WALK ALONG THE RAZORS EDGE"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you understand the meaning of the word domination"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP just found out that superpowers don’t generally give a fuck about not being hypocrites."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>NOOO, WHY WON'T AMERICA JUST LET THE RUSKIES GAIN A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WHILE ACTIVELY IN A COLD WAR AGAINST THEM!!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI suppose the question then is why did the US react the way it did and almost cause a nuclear war when the Soviets barely reacted?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhow were the soviets supposed to retaliate?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nbecause they were in NATO"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nWell they didn't plan an invasion of turkey over some bombs for starters. Placing the nukes in Cuba was a completely reasonable escalation to the actions the Americans were taking at the time."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nBecause they would have risked being vaporized. The US only planned to invade Cuba because they underestimated the number of bombs deployed there, and even then were willing to back down in the face of nuclear war and come to a compromise. That was even despite knowing that they had the power to completely destroy the Soviet Union; when the US put nukes in Turkey the Soviets did not have the power to retaliate against the US which meant that the US stood to lose relatively little from all-out nuclear war, which in turn made the US commitment to protect Turkey against any attacks much more credible."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>5\nThe Soviets had no reasonable strategic deterrent at the time (1959), and knew that any invasion would trigger massive retaliation from the US. Of course they didn't do anything.\n> a completely reasonable escalation\nWhich, of course, is why the USSR kept the entire operation secret and only planned to unveil it in November 1962 once a fait accompli was achieved."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExcept the Soviet deployment of missiles to Cuba wasn't actually a counter to that, as a glance at the timeline of deployments and the crisis, not to mention documentation, would reveal.\nThe point of having missiles in Turkey was not \"to attack faster\" but to show that there was a credible deterrent in place for Turkey. The general trend with nuclear missiles was to make them longer range and fire them from farther distances so as to reduce vulnerability. Having close-in missiles actually promotes instability, due to the potential of enemy action creating a \"use it or lose it\" scenario."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "For me, it's the sword and buckler man."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bong riot police"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">A story exists about people dying for a magic jew. >That means there must have been a real magic jew.\n>Never mind that these stories were written centuries later and have talking dogs, flying people, fish raising from the dead and milk spurting out of people's necks.\n\nThis is considered watertight evidence for a magic Jew according to christcucks.\n\n>“Then Paul stood with his face to the east and lifted up his hands unto heaven and prayed a long time, and in his prayer he conversed in the Hebrew tongue with the fathers, and then stretched forth his neck without speaking. And when the executioner struck off his head, milk spurted upon the cloak of the soldier. And the soldier and all that were there present when they saw it marveled and glorified God which had given such glory unto Paul: and they went and told Caesar what was done.”\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20170308004402/https://adversusapologetica.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/48/"}, {"id": 2, "content": "A thread died for this"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mythology isn't realistic\nColor me shocked. What other revelations do you have in store for us OP?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">A story exists about people dying for a magic Macedonian\n>That means there must have been a real magic Macedonian\n>Never mind that these stories were written centuries later and have Greek gods, magic animals, and fantastically unrealistic combat"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe difference is there's evidence that Alexander the Great actually existed. There's no proof of Jesus being real. He could've easily been a Jewish mythic folk hero"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThere's more proof Jesus existing than Alexander."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBullshit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>The difference is there's evidence that Alexander the Great actually existed.\nSuch as?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>There's no proof of Jesus being real.\nAside from all of those sources like the gospels, and Paul's letters, and Josephus, and Tacitus, and..."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Tacitus\nSo when Tacitus says that all Germans have red hair, you take that at face value?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nTacitus' Annals and Histories were forged by Poggio Bracciolini. The evidence that the Testimonium Flavianum (or TF) is entirely a late Christian forgery is now as overwhelming as such evidence could ever get. The Gospels themselves aren't proof at all, especially considering they were written decades after Jesus's purported crucifixion by second-hand / third-hand sources."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>There are numerous surviving ancient Greek and Latin sources on Alexander the Great, king of Macedon, as well as some Asian texts. The five main surviving accounts are by Arrian, Plutarch, Diodorus Siculus, Quintus Curtius Rufus, and Justin. In addition to these five main sources, there is the Metz Epitome, an anonymous late Latin work that narrates Alexander's campaigns from Hyrcania to India. Much is also recounted incidentally by other authors, including Strabo, Athenaeus, Polyaenus, Aelian, and others. Strabo, who gives a summary of Callisthenes, is an important source for Alexander's journey to Siwah.\n\nThe Bible doesn't have nearly the same level of supporting external sources behind it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>All sources written centuries after Alexander's death\nnice try"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou know the Gospels of the New Testament weren't written until decades after the crucifixion, right?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>Tacitus says one thing which is an obvious exaggeration therefore NOTHING he wrote is true\n>>11\n>Tacitus' Annals and Histories were forged by Poggio Bracciolini.\nCitation needed.\n>The evidence that the Testimonium Flavianum (or TF) is entirely a late Christian forgery is now as overwhelming as such evidence could ever get.\nThe passage mentioning Christ himself is a forgery yes, But there is another passage where he mentions Christ's brother James, which is not a forgery.\n>The Gospels themselves aren't proof at all, especially considering they were written decades after Jesus's purported crucifixion\nWhy is that relevant?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>Tacitus' Annals and Histories were forged by Poggio Bracciolini.\nNew schizo theory just dropped"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Citation needed\nThere's entire books written about the subject\nhttps://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9098\n>The passage mentioning Christ himself is a forgery yes, But there is another passage where he mentions Christ's brother James, which is not a forgery.\n\"Only some of this forgery is fake\"\nHell of an argument\n>Why is that relevant?\nBecause there are no primary sources from the time of Jesus's ministry that state he actually exists, meaning he likely didn't."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>There's entire books written about the subject\n>Published 1878\nlol\n>\"Only some of this forgery is fake\"\n>Hell of an argument\nI don't even know what you're trying to argue here. You think partial interpolations in historic texts aren't a real thing? Are you seriously suggesting Christians wrote the entirety if the testimonium flavianum?\n>Because there are no primary sources from the time of Jesus's ministry that state he actually exists, meaning he likely didn't.\nNo, that doesn't follow at all. No academic historian would ever agree with that statement."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a magic jew\nStopped reading. I don't even bother with a serious answer to these obvious bait threads."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRabbi Slap Fetish and his pathetic cult never cease to amuse me"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>No academic historian would ever agree with that statement.\n*cough* Richard Carrier *cough*"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nCarrier is a retard of the highest magnitude, but I'm sure his argument is more nuanced than \"Jesus has no contemporary sources therefore he must not exist.\""}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>He's a retard but I've never read his arguments"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI'm familiar with his arguments and they're bad. But I do give him more credit than simple \"no contemporary sources = le bad\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\n>new\nseems to originate with a britbong schizo in 1878, found a book on gutenburg project about it"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\n>Tacitus exaggerates his contemporary claims but when he writes about things that happened before he was born he is 100% true"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhen did I say anything about contemporary vs events before he was born? The claim that all Germans had red hair is obviously not true because it’s a generalization. The claim that a single historical person existed however, is not that. Ergo, it should be seriously considered."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\nDoes the name Josephus ring a bell?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n...and that his silence on jesus is all the proof we need?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Social Darwinism does not accurately describe how humans should behave in a social context because humans have the ability to create societies and institutions that can mitigate some of the negative effects of competition.\n\nSocial Darwinism assumes that those who succeed in a competitive environment are necessarily the most deserving or talented individuals, but success can often be influenced by factors such as wealth, family connections, and privilege, rather than merit alone.\n\nSocial Darwinism assumes that competition is always a positive force that drives progress and innovation, but excessive competition can also lead to negative consequences, such as exploitation, inequality, and social unrest.\n\nSocial Darwinism assumes that individuals should be solely responsible for their own success or failure, but external factors beyond an individual's control can significantly influence their life outcomes, such as access to education, healthcare, and economic opportunities."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm going to be honest. I don't think I can worship a guy with a mutilated dick."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You are thrown through a time portal back to a region of your choosing. The catch is that it will be during the worst period of that place's history.\n\nWhere do you go? How do you make it through the times?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "new zealand"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe United States, so I could remain in the modern day."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I wont go though, because it will be shite and my curiosity would be ..surpressed by the fact that its shite all around, probably getting depressed too, seeing a bunch of stupid primitive retards from dark ages maiming eachother for land and pussy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>no war at home\n>AC\n>central heating\n>abundance of food\n>1st world\n>strong economy\nLet me guess, you have a thesis about le niggerinos and muh faggerinos you want to share."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhy yes, as a matter of fact I do."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Claims to not believe in God\n>Claims he is not making a claim"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI never understood this myself, if these people are so bothered by an imaginary character, then why care about it so much.."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm not saying there aren't some obsessed Atheists out there, but religion clearly has a massive impact on the world, so if you believe that it's all false, that would be a falsehood worth trying to stop"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nLmao ok, I've read Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales a number of times and I haven't cared to pick up on it since, obviously since it's fiction. If everything in the Bible was truly fiction you (if you're atheist) wouldn't care about it as deeply, now would you?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat? My point is that Christianity, whether its true of false, is relevant because people believe that its true. So from the Atheist perspective its a falsehood they have to care about because most people don't know its false"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nyou completely ignored his point and made the same one he's saying that religion played a part in many terrible things that have happened around the world."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou don't understand: if they're atheist, then they don't believe in it. Which means that there is very little incentive for them to go out and denounce this. I'm not going out proclaiming every week or so in a Youtube video that unicorns aren't real you know what I mean? If it's not true, then eventually everyone else will follow out of this falsehood with or without their help. It's just inevitable, atheists don't need to do anything."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of belief"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nAtheistic regimes have caused many atrocities too, have you forgotten Stalin and Mao?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>little incentive for them to go out and denounce this\nThe incentive is that they think religion is harmful\n>I'm not going out proclaiming every week or so in a Youtube video that unicorns aren't real you know what I mean?\nNo one has gone to war over the existence of unicorns"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe thing with Jesus is that He wanted religion to be more of a private thing, if you extend it to people who don't want to hear about It then they don't want to hear about It unless something changes within them. Until then, you can't really convince them otherwise that He exists. Even though we both know He exists (I personally had grievous encounters with Him recently)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>The thing with Jesus is that He wanted religion to be more of a private thing,\n\n>Matthew 28:19\n>Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Brings up Matthew first not Mark\n\nBy the way the Great Commission was a later add-on to Mark"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nSorry, but Matthew came first."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nBecause followers of said imaginary character continuously fuck up the world"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nProof or it didn't happen"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>Brings up Mark first and not The Iliad\nAnon, i"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how does one make it into heaven if he can't believe?\nI'm terrified of the existence of hell but I just don't know how to make myself believe in god. will just saying the words that I believe get me in heaven?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet baptized by the Catholic church, then you will automatically make into purgatory"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFaith is a choice. Even if you do not feel it in your spirit you should affirm it in your mind, and eventually you will feel it. Mark 9:24\n>And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief!\nYou should pray that, and mean it, and live after it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!\nI outgrew death because of the one who death could not hold than even my soul gets to have everlasting life. Be intentional before God, not just any guessing but guided and seeing it all from the end."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou have to pray and be open to belief in order to receive the gift of faith. Faith transcends the limitations of reason. I would love to hear why you \"cannot\" believe in God."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nbecause I just don't believe it. Nothing has convinced me to. Maybe some people can blindly say \"I believe in x\" just because but in my heart I know it wouldn't be true."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Faith is a choice.\nWhy are some people religious and some people not?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've always been confused why belief or lack of belief should determine salvation. Belief is not generally voluntary. We believe what we find credible and plausible. Certainly people often believe what they *like* to believe, but just as often people find it difficult to believe things that they would find comforting or reassuring (consider atheists who would like to believe, but can't, or Christians who are devastated when they lose their faith)."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd like to think in a best case scenario you end up in the first circle of hell or somewhere in purgatory. That being said Dante's medieval anime book about his waifu he talked to once or twice shouldn't be taken as theology."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nChoice."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>I've always been confused why belief or lack of belief should determine salvation\nmakes perfect sense if you view Christianity through the lense that it was created by Judeans for the purpose of getting their hated enemies, the Romans, to abandon their own gods and worship the Jewish god instead.\nWhen followers are not expected to adhere to a strict moral code or offer expensive animal sacrifices, it makes it easier for the religion to spread."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYeah but if you view it through that lens then you need to take your meds asap"}, {"id": 13, "content": "What's stopping you from believing, anon?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nJust reading the bible nothing pops out to me as wow this is the truth of the universe I'll start praying now. Just because someone says it's the word of God doesn't make me feel the need to believe is someone could easily say to a Christian that the Quran is the real word of God or vice versa.\nNothing is stopping me from believing but I can't bring myself to just blindly accept it. I know that's what you're supposed to do but when I've tried it doesn't feel authentic.\nput in a good word for me when y'all get to heaven"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nLet's backtrack from religion a little bit. We can come back to that. Do you at least believe there is a creator of the universe?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy be afraid of hell when you don't believe in god? That's retarded."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Jesus is pretty chill. He'll letcha in."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nI believe there's a good chance I'm not 100% on anything really"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWell, that's a start. But just to squash any remaining doubt: do you believe that something can come from nothing?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\nsays the schizo who is afraid of getting tortured for eternity at the behest of a dead Jewish carpenter whom you communicate with telepathically.\n\nDo you believe that the Pharaos really were the children of the sun god, or was the promotion of that belief a psy-op to get the population to accept their rule?\n\nWas Hammurabi really given a tablet full of laws by a god, or was the promotion of that belief a psy-op to get the population to accept those laws?\n\nIf so many religions throughout history have been psy-ops, what is your argument for Christianity being the exception?\n\nAnd given the fact that it's a provable fact that Jews in the 20th century have successfully worked to subvert Christian theology in the United States via the financing the distribution of the Scofield Reference Bible and the promotion of Zionist pastors like John Hagee, what is your argument as to why the same group of people would not have employed the same strategy back then, especially given the fact that everyone involved in the creation of Christianity was in fact a Jew?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nLMFAO\n>this will surely convince you\ngo ahead, do the thing where you say\n>therefore, the god of the bible MUST be true"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>If so many religions throughout history have been psy-ops, what is your argument for Christianity being the exception?\nDumb argument. That's like saying: \"there have been many economic systems developed in the past. What makes you think capitalism is the correct one?\" or \"There have been many theories about the universe. What makes you think gravity is the correct one?\""}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou don't make it to heaven even if you DO believe. this is why there's no less than 20 chapters in the bibble all about wrestling with 'doubt'.\nif you're having doubts about something, there's probably a good reason for that. people who actually believe something don't need to fight doubt all day, sorry."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>go ahead, do the thing where you say\n>therefore, the god of the bible MUST be true\nNo, because that's not where my argument was leading. I'm not trying to prove the God of the Bible (yet), I'm trying to prove the existence of a creator deity."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>\"There have been many theories about the universe. What makes you think gravity is the correct one?\"\nholy fuck. i can tell you've never failed to convert anyone to the jew god."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>(yet)\nno shit. that's why i told you to fast-forward to that part. we've heard all of your sophistry before, just get to the good part."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nFalse equivalence. Anon is not saying \"all X have been le bad\", he's making a more specific statement about them being psyops. This is important because it's implying that psyopping the population is religion's purpose. You're not implying the same about theories being false."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n>Dumb argument. That's like saying: \"there have been many economic systems developed in the past. What makes you think capitalism is the correct one?\" or \"There have been many theories about the universe. What makes you think gravity is the correct one?\"\nThe difference is that with disciplines like mathematics, science, etc. people with relevant knowledge in the field tend to form consensuses. Note also that the softer sciences like economics and social theory have the largest number of competing sects, and the hardest sciences have the largest amount of consensus. This is because their claims are verifiable (or falsifiable)."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nSo you acknowledge that your argument is self-defeating?\n>>26\nNo. I just told you that I'm trying to prove the existence of a necessary being/creator deity. If you're already acknowledging that such a being exists, then I'll be glad to move on."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nso your argument boils down to Christianity being correct because many people believe in it?\n\nDo you also think that the earth was flat when most people believed it to be?\n\nAnd yes, capitalism not being the \"correct\" or \"best\" economic system is just as much a legitimate belief as that Christianity is incorrect.\nJust because you can team up with the rest of the world to bomb a country with a different economic system into oblivion doesn't prove that their system wasn't superior."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nI'm not going to fulfill his burden of proof for him. If he thinks Christianity is a psyop, then prove it.\n>>28\n>The difference is that with disciplines like mathematics, science, etc. people with relevant knowledge in the field tend to form consensuses.\nAnd the consensus of all Christians isn't enough for you? But the consensus of a dozen pimple-faced autists wearing labcoats is suddenly enough? Some double standard ya' got there.\n>This is because their claims are verifiable (or falsifiable).\nIs atheism falsifiable?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>So you acknowledge that your argument is self-defeating?\nand on top of that, he can't even recognize sarcasm when it fucks him right in the ass with a broom (not the handle)\n>No. I just told you that I'm trying to prove the existence of a necessary being/creator deity. If you're already acknowledging that such a being exists, then I'll be glad to move on.\noh, i do. in fact, i even acknowledge the jewish yhwh, reptilian blood god of destruction, to be real. it's just that he's not the creator of the universe, nor is it something you want anything to do with.\nand your argument is silly. even low-IQ shows like the atheist experience would have a field day with your asshole."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>so your argument boils down to Christianity being correct because many people believe in it?\nHow is that my argument?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>I'm not going to fulfill his burden of proof for him.\nIrrelevant. Doesn't change the fact that your reply to him was garbage."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>And the consensus of all Christians isn't enough for you? But the consensus of a dozen pimple-faced autists wearing labcoats is suddenly enough? Some double standard ya' got there.\nBut religions do not work like that. Religious people throughout the world do not compare notes and decide, \"Okay, looks like the Christians have the best idea, let's all convert to Christianity.\"\n>Is atheism falsifiable?\nYes... if God unambiguously demonstrated his existence."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>I'm not going to fulfill his burden of proof for him. If he thinks Christianity is a psyop, then prove it.\nsure. christcuckianity is meant to pacify you. it works pretty well, in two different areas:\n\"Turn the other cheek\" and\n\"Obey your earthly masters, whether they be wicked or not (they'll get what's coming to 'em later, just obey bill gates for the time being\"\nthis is what led to the downfall of civilization, and how evil gained such a foothold.\nhistorical evidence incoming in just a minute. we already know you're going to plug your ears when you hear the Truth, but i have a few redpills that some people might be able to benefit from."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\n>and on top of that, he can't even recognize sarcasm when it fucks him right in the ass with a broom (not the handle)\n\nYour argument: \"There are many religions. What makes you think Christianity is the right one?\"\nMe, using the same argumentation: \"There are many theories about the universe. What makes you think gravity is the right one?\"\n\nSee how dumb the argumentation is?\n\n>oh, i do. in fact, i even acknowledge the jewish yhwh, reptilian blood god of destruction, to be real. it's just that he's not the creator of the universe, nor is it something you want anything to do with.\nWhat is your religion?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>Your argument: \"There are many religions. What makes you think Christianity is the right one?\"\n>Me, using the same argumentation: \"There are many theories about the universe. What makes you think gravity is the right one?\"\nExcept the most plausible and effective scientific theories eventually become almost universally believed and used. The scientific world is not divided into great blocs of Aristotelians, Newtonians and modern physicists. But religion is. No new evidence is presented that compels people to change their religious beliefs."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>Your argument: \"There are many religions. What makes you think Christianity is the right one?\"\n>Me, using the same argumentation: \"There are many theories about the universe. What makes you think gravity is the right one?\"\nThose are not equivalent. Theories about the universe are being tested and adjusted based on empirical data. General relativity doesn't render Newtonian gravity completely useless as a model, it just shows that it's limited.\nYou can't say the same against Christianity vs Enlil worship and such."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>33\n>How is that my argument?\nyou need to improve your communication skills. You claimed that\n>That's like saying: \"there have been many economic systems developed in the past. What makes you think capitalism is the correct one?\"\nand I was gracious enough to try and compensate for your poor communication skills by expressing an argument for you that could conceivably be implied by such a comparison.\nThe only claim capitalism has to being considered the \"correct\" system is that many people follow it, or at least live under it.\nIf your argument is a different one, then you should actually put it into writing."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>31\n>I'm not going to fulfill his burden of proof for him. If he thinks Christianity is a psyop, then prove it.\nit's a well known fact that there were many religions that came about before christcuckianity, or EVEN the roots of christcuckianity (forms of judaism) (point #1 in case you're actually going to try to argue this)\nso, are we saying the jew god created the universe, then waited until about 500-600BC to start telling people about it?\nbesides, when you trace the genealogy of the bibble backwards from year 0, using all the birth/death dates of the characters, the great flood supposedly took place around 2000 BC, of which there is no evidence. sure, there's evidence of catastrophic floods, but none even close to 2000 BC\nalso, were you aware that noah was not the first person in history to have been pre-warned about a flood and told to put some animals on a boat?\nread \"the epic of gilgamesh\" to find out more. (again, a MUCH older story that proves that the bibble you read is a frankenstein stitch-up operation of previous religions)\nwant more? or are you done?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\n>Doesn't change the fact that your reply to him was garbage.\nAnd that your contribution is meaningless.\n>But religions do not work like that. Religious people throughout the world do not compare notes and decide, \"Okay, looks like the Christians have the best idea, let's all convert to Christianity.\"\nYeah, they do. That's why Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. People are converting every day.\n>Yes... if God unambiguously demonstrated his existence.\nOh, like he's doing now?\n>>36\n>christcuckianity is meant to pacify you.\nNo, it isn't."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>christcuckianity is meant to pacify you.\n>No, it isn't.\nfor not being it's purpose, it sure does one hell of a job.\nsorry, you're going to have to do a lot better than\n>nuh-uh!"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nIslam is growing faster than Christianity. Praise Mohammed (PBUH)."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>That's why Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. People are converting every day.\nIf that is the case, why has the West secularised? Why are the most educated people the least religious? Why is religion negatively correlated with analytical thinking? Also, it seems silly of you to devalue science, when Christians have contributed so much to it."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\n>read \"the epic of gilgamesh\" to find out more.\nyeah, also this guy:\nhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Deucalion"}, {"id": 47, "content": "holy crap, sorry guys, i'll fuck right off back to /x/.\nyou don't need my help over here.\nbut just know, christcucks are going to keep bouncing back and forth when they've been BTFO out of a particular forum.\ni'm up for a game of tennis. we'll swat them back over here when they decide to start shilling in /x/ again."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\ninteresting. i might lurk /his/ more, you guys know what's up.\ni have no idea why the christcucks thought they could come in to a forum of history buffs and 'educate' you all.\ngood job."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\n>People are converting every day.\naway from it, yes.\n(i'm done, couldn't help myself, sorry. bye all)"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>38\n>Except the most plausible and effective scientific theories eventually become almost universally believed and used.\nAnd why is that so?\n>No new evidence is presented that compels people to change their religious beliefs.\nDefine \"evidence.\"\n>>39\n>Theories about the universe are being tested and adjusted based on empirical data.\nSo it all comes down to evidence, reason, and logic, correct?\n>You can't say the same against Christianity vs Enlil worship and such.\nChristianity has more evidence."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>he's not done getting BTFO"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nAnon, your problem is that you think one religion has to be true so you just go by process of elimination, which makes you give a lot of weight even to evidence that is complete trash.\nEven if there is a god, you can't prove that he's the god of any of our religions, so your process of elimination is completely pointless."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>40\nI'm not saying infallibly that capitalism IS the correct economic system, but that most people consider it to be. Learn to read.\n>>41\n>it's a well known fact that there were many religions that came about before christcuckianity, or EVEN the roots of christcuckianity (forms of judaism) (point #1 in case you're actually going to try to argue this)\nAnd there were many theories about how the universe worked before Newton came into the picture. Does that make Newton wrong?\n>so, are we saying the jew god created the universe, then waited until about 500-600BC to start telling people about it?\nThat's not what the Bible claims. Man has always known about Yahweh.\n>besides, when you trace the genealogy of the bibble backwards from year 0, using all the birth/death dates of the characters, the great flood supposedly took place around 2000 BC, of which there is no evidence. sure, there's evidence of catastrophic floods, but none even close to 2000 BC\nGenesis isn't supposed to be read literally.\n>also, were you aware that noah was not the first person in history to have been pre-warned about a flood and told to put some animals on a boat?\nread \"the epic of gilgamesh\" to find out more. (again, a MUCH older story that proves that the bibble you read is a frankenstein stitch-up operation of previous religions)\nwant more? or are you done?\nSo? It's just a coincidental parallelism. It proves nothing.\n>>43\n>sorry, you're going to have to do a lot better than nuh-uh!\nAnd you're going to have to provide a better justification for why it does. Why do I have to operate under your presuppositions of what it means to be \"pacified?\"\n>>44\nMohammed was a pedophile and let other men suck on his wife's teat."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>Mohammed was a pedophile and let other men suck on his wife's teat.\nIrrelevant. Islam is growing faster than Christianity because it's true, obviously."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nI'm the one BTFO'ing y'all.\n>>52\n>Anon, your problem is that you think one religion has to be true\nYes. There is only one truth. Just like there is only one true answer to 1+1. And it's 3.\n>Even if there is a god, you can't prove that he's the god of any of our religions, so your process of elimination is completely pointless.\nYeah, I can. What sort of proof would you like?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>And there were many theories about how the universe worked before Newton came into the picture. Does that make Newton wrong?\nif newton blatantly stole all of a bunch of his predecessors' work and claimed that it was his own, that would make him a fraud, regardless if it were right or wrong.\n>That's not what the Bible claims\nwho gives a flying fuck what the bibble claims? it's false.\n>Genesis isn't supposed to be read literally.\nwhat year was jesus born then? and thank you for agreeing that all the dates & etc that it tries to assert as true are false. we're getting somewhere now.\n>So? It's just a coincidental parallelism. It proves nothing.\nholy fucking shit. you literally played the coincidence card.\n...i'm sorry, you're too low-hanging of fruit. anyone with two brain cells isn't going to listen to you. my best guess is you're a boomer who's brain is too solidified to be able to accept new information, and you're here fighting for your life in regards to your jewish god. but i'll not spare anyone from the Truth. no excuses.\nit's not just a fucking coincidence. the parallels are astounding not only in number, but in similarity. you've just demonstrated that the bibble is the only book you've ever read in your entire life.\n>Why do I have to operate under your presuppositions of what it means to be \"pacified?\"\nyou don't. define it for me then. what does it mean for someone to be pacified?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>19\nI don't know really that isn't an easy question to answer but like I said anything is possible. I suppose I would be called agnostic, i feel like converting an agnostic would probably be even harder than converting an atheist.\nI'm not purposely being difficult or reddit by not believing I just don't know if I could ever believe in something that's just a book and some people saying things that are supposed to be true. Especially something this big.\nLike give us a sign big guy"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>Yes. There is only one truth.\nYes, and that truth can just as easily be that the universe was created by a god that has nothing to do with any of the world religions.\n>Yeah, I can. What sort of proof would you like?\nGive me one that actually works, thanks."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\noh fuck, i'm just now realizing we've all been trolled by a christcuck false-flagger.\ngod damnit.\nyou're good, but look, they don't need your help dude. they can make a fool out of themselves all by themselves.\neither way, thanks for playin'. see you around."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nonly a sinful generation asks for a sign.\nread your bibble, christcuck.\nMatt 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.\nyou'll have to do with jonah. otherwise, you're not allowed to ask for a sign."}, {"id": 61, "content": "holy fuck what happened here I was just drunk having a breakdown on mortality. Would've been cool if you guys argued about interesting stuff instead of going back and forth saying the exact same shit for 30 posts"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>54\n>Irrelevant. Islam is growing faster than Christianity because it's true, obviously.\nNon-sequitur.\n>>56\n>if newton blatantly stole all of a bunch of his predecessors' work and claimed that it was his own, that would make him a fraud, regardless if it were right or wrong.\nYou didn't answer the question.\n>who gives a flying fuck what the bibble claims? it's false.\nProve it. You made a claim, so the burden of proof is on you now.\n>what year was jesus born then? and thank you for agreeing that all the dates & etc that it tries to assert as true are false. we're getting somewhere now.\nAround 4-6 BC. And I never said that it was false. I said a literal reading of Genesis is false. Learn to read.\n>it's not just a fucking coincidence. the parallels are astounding not only in number, but in similarity. you've just demonstrated that the bibble is the only book you've ever read in your entire life.\nThere are tons of differences too.\n>you don't. define it for me then. what does it mean for someone to be pacified?\nLet's use the dictionary definition."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Non-sequitur.\nYeah which is why Christianity's growth is irrelevant too."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nexcept I'm not a christian you fucking retard. in fact this thread began with no specific religion in mind besides the funny frog pic."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>57\nIt's an incredibly easy question to answer. How can something come from nothing unless said \"something\" already exists in some form to create itself out of nothing? The idea is logically incoherent. Do you agree?\n>>59\nWhat? I'm not trolling. I guess you're conceding, then."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>Yeah which is why Christianity's growth is irrelevant too.\nWhen did I ever hinge the veracity of Christianity's claims on its popularity as my main argument?\n>>64\n>except I'm not a christian\nYeah, you have a different religion, and it's called atheism."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nResponded to\n>Religious people throughout the world do not compare notes and decide, \"Okay, looks like the Christians have the best idea, let's all convert to Christianity.\"\nWith\n>Yeah, they do. That's why Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. People are converting every day.\nSo either religious people are shit at comparing notes and deciding what looks like the best idea, or you should convert asap ;)"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\ni'm not an atheist either I'm agnostic. what are you trying to prove exactly? why don't you go back to whatever dogshit board you came from"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\neven though you're literally a boomer or a troll, i'm far too stubborn.\n>You didn't answer the question.\nyou would have to make an actual comparison for me to answer your question then.\ncomparing the bibble taking older stories and claiming it's theirs is miles away from a scientist using older scientists' work.\n>Prove it. You made a claim, so the burden of proof is on you now.\ni already did that at least 10 times ITT. but considering you lack any reading ability, let's do it again: it's a provably frankenstein stitch-up of older works. hence, no reason to think it's true.\n>Around 4-6 BC.\ncareful, the claim police are present. can you back up your claim? and yeah, you kinda did admit to it being false. it uses very specific dates that you can use to trace jesus -> david -- all the way back to noah & the flood.\n...but i'm guessing you haven't even read your own book. no christcuck has.\n>There are tons of differences too.\nGilgamesh:\n-warned of a flood\n-told to take some animals aboard an impossibly large boat\n-is one of the only people to survive because of flood\nyou're literally the only person in the world who's not able to make the connection here, bud.\n>Let's use the dictionary definition.\nok. which dictionary? i have 14 opened up."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nWhere did I make the claim that Christianity was true solely because of its popularity? I'm still waiting.\n>>68\nOkay. Can something come from nothing? Yes or no."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>65\nyeah I agree I've thought about this quite a bit and it's a pretty good argument, how could whatever atoms created the big bang even exist in the fist place? Who knows I certainly don't pretend to"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nWhere did I make the claim that you nade that claim?\nWhich one do you go with?\n1)religious people suck at comparing notes and determining what makes more sense\n2)the mozlems are correct"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\n>you would have to make an actual comparison for me to answer your question then.\nI'll say it again. There have been many theories attempting to explain the mechanics of the universe before Newton came along with the correct paradigm. Does that make Newton wrong? Yes or no.\n>i already did that at least 10 times ITT. but considering you lack any reading ability, let's do it again: it's a provably frankenstein stitch-up of older works. hence, no reason to think it's true.\nOkay. Where's the proof?\n>careful, the claim police are present. can you back up your claim? and yeah, you kinda did admit to it being false.\nConsensus of biblical scholars substantiates my claim. Now, you?\n>It uses very specific dates that you can use to trace jesus -> david -- all the way back to noah & the flood.\n...but i'm guessing you haven't even read your own book. no christcuck has.\nProvide links.\n>you're literally the only person in the world who's not able to make the connection here, bud.\nThere are differences too, like I said. (picrel)\n>ok. which dictionary? i have 14 opened up.\nI don't care. Oxford?"}, {"id": 74, "content": "hurry the fuck up, boomer."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nIt means the Big Bang had to be created by an eternal being that has always existed.\n>>72\nHow about you peruse the entire reply chain and actually follow the train of argumentation. You seem wickedly confused."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74>>69\n\nMore differences picrel."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>53\n>Learn to read.\nas I've pointed out, you did not actually write out an argument for me to read.\nAs I've already pointed out in the first paragraph in >>20 your beliefs are objectively insane, so you need to be more explicit in your formulations, since more rational people have a hard time following your illogical thought patterns.\n\nJoseph Canfield's biography of Cyrus Scofield documents quite well how Christianity in much of the US was subverted through a psyop by Zionist financiers like Samuel Untermeyer, a process which has been sustained in more recent times by support for Zionist pastors like John Hagee, who was gifted a private jet by the state of Israel.\n\nMoreover, each Christian denomination accuses the churches and theological opinions of the other denominations of being instruments of either the devil, the anti-christ, or of worldly powers.\nSo most of Christianity is a psy-op even according to Christians.\n\nYou're the one who wants people to accept all the physically impossible nonsense in the Bible as truth and dedicate their lives to a bunch of Jews who demanded that the Romans give their money to Jews, so the burden of proof as to why your particular special snowflake brand of Jesus worship represents the true will of God is on you.\nI'm just here telling people that they should view Christianity the same way as they view all other religions.\n\nUnlike gravity, Christianity does not represent the best available explanation for some observable phenomenon of nature.\nChristianity is not followed by the majority of people on earth, rendering your argument about it being a \"consensus\" moot.\nIn fact the Christian scriptures contain numerous false claims, such as in the book of Acts where it claims that people from \"all the world\" witnessed certain events in Jerusalem despite nobody from the Americas being present."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nOr it could mean that we just don't know or comprehend how it all happened"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>73\n>I'll say it again. There have been many theories attempting to explain the mechanics of the universe before Newton came along with the correct paradigm. Does that make Newton wrong? Yes or no.\nyou're trying your hardest to push a false equivalency. don't \"yes or no\" me.\n>Okay. Where's the proof?\njust gave it to you.\n>Consensus of biblical scholars substantiates my claim. Now, you?\n>other ppl said it was!\n\n>Provide links.\nread your own fucking book, christcuck. it's not hard. i didn't use a 'link'. i used to be a christcuck, and i actually read the book and was able to do so. (hence why i'm no longer a christcuck)\n>There are differences too, like I said. (picrel)\nso you do know this, yet haven't been able to make the connection yet. bravo. ok, i admit you're not a troll. you're actually trying to pull this shit. a really good example of what you're trying to pull warrants reading about TAEUS (Tear apart everything under the stars)\nan old intel/IBM(i forget which) lawsuit showed that the intel/IBM company clearly stole chipset stuff from microsoft. sure, there were differences, but they provided irrefutable evidence that IBM's chipsets were stolen from microsoft. if you're really trying to say that all the older, extremely similar stories are 'just a coincidence', you've lost. simple as. you're just a stubborn christcuck, that's all.\n>I don't care. Oxford?\nyou said \"i don't care\" so let's use this one:\npacify: to reduce to a submissive state\nwhat part of \"turn the other cheek\" is not submissive?\n\nlook, i can play the repetition game too, sweetheart. only difference is, you will continue to get BTFO over and over again, failing to prove any points whatsoever. keep going though, you're fun!"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>75\nI literally gave you direct quotes from the reply chain, el retardo.\nSo which of the two do you choose? Do you think religious people suck at comparing notes and determining what sounds more reasonable?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>75\n>It means the Big Bang had to be created by an eternal being that has always existed.\nAny reply to this >>58? I'd really like the argument for why one of the world religions has to be right if god exists."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>75\n>>71\nalso quit fucking samefagging"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://youtu.be/4xmmHwFy52M [Embed]"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>77\n>Joseph Canfield's biography of Cyrus Scofield documents quite well how Christianity in much of the US was subverted through a psyop by Zionist financiers like Samuel Untermeyer, a process which has been sustained in more recent times by support for Zionist pastors like John Hagee, who was gifted a private jet by the state of Israel.\nChristianity did not originate in the US, redditheist. Next.\n>Moreover, each Christian denomination accuses the churches and theological opinions of the other denominations of being instruments of either the devil, the anti-christ, or of worldly powers.\nSo most of Christianity is a psy-op even according to Christians.\nAre we counting mere accusations as evidence now? Are you high? Next.\n>You're the one who wants people to accept all the physically impossible nonsense in the Bible as truth and dedicate their lives to a bunch of Jews who demanded that the Romans give their money to Jews, so the burden of proof as to why your particular special snowflake brand of Jesus worship represents the true will of God is on you.\nMy main point originally was to convince an anon of the existence of a necessary being/creator deity. I never once made the positive claim ITT that Christianity was the true religion, even though I think it is. My posts here have been entirely defensive. If you want to make a claim against Christianity for me to address, then go ahead and make one.\n>Unlike gravity, Christianity does not represent the best available explanation for some observable phenomenon of nature.\nI never said Christianity was the best available explanation, I said God was. If you want me to substantiate that specific claim, I can.\n>In fact the Christian scriptures contain numerous false claims, such as in the book of Acts where it claims that people from \"all the world\" witnessed certain events in Jerusalem despite nobody from the Americas being present.\nQuote the verse, please."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm terrified of the existence of hell\nyou are terrified of non-existence?\nHell means eternal death."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>75\n>It means the Big Bang had to be created by an eternal being that has always existed.\nBig Bang theory is not an argument in favor of Christianity. It is in fact based on the bursting of the Cosmic Egg, a motif found in Indo-European religions and especially Greek Orphic mythology, and NOT in Christcuckery.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>It is in fact based on the bursting of the Cosmic Egg\nsource"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>82\nFuck off retard I literally blew off his argument right here\n>>78"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>78\nThere's no \"we don't know.\" There is no alternative explanation that can be mounted. You just agreed earlier that something cannot come from nothing, and that the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe. How else can we reconcile these facts?\n\n>>79\n>you're trying your hardest to push a false equivalency. don't \"yes or no\" me.\nLmao. Dodging the question, I see. Busted!\n>just gave it to you.\nWhat proof? You said verbatim that you've supplied proof about ten times in this thread. Where is this proof?\n>>other ppl said it was!\nYep.\n>read your own fucking book, christcuck. it's not hard. i didn't use a 'link'. i used to be a christcuck, and i actually read the book and was able to do so. (hence why i'm no longer a christcuck)\nSo you're just making shit up?\n>so you do know this, yet haven't been able to make the connection yet. bravo.\nThere is no connection. It's been debunked about a million times. https://youtu.be/1SZZzuweVEs [Embed]\nYou apostatized from the faith because you were too stupid to actually seek christian responses to all these dumb atheist arguments. Bet you believe Christmas is pagan too, kek.\n>you said \"i don't care\" so let's use this one:\nWhich dictionary is that? I specifically asked for a dictionary definition.\n>>81\nSorry, missed it. So, are you conceding unequivocally that God exists? Also, you still haven't defined exactly what sort of proof you desire."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\n>he doesn't know the jewish genesis is based on the earth-diver myth\nYikes."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>86\n>Big Bang theory is not an argument in favor of Christianity.\nWhy?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>88\noh, sorry i'm noooticing too hard.\nyou'll see these christcuck types jump on their phone all the time and reply to themselves saying exactly this:\n>>71\n>yeah I agree I've thought about this quite a bit and it's a pretty good argument"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\n>So, are you conceding unequivocally that God exists?\nNo.\n>Also, you still haven't defined exactly what sort of proof you desire.\nStop playing games. If you have proof (any proof), give it to me. If you don't, don't."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nOkay. I'll give you proof. But first, we need to work through some premises.\n\nQuestion 1: Did the universe have a beginning? Yes or no."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you don't believe in god, it's because you are smart enough to know it's all bullshit. So surely you should also be smart enough to know it's pointless to worry about an afterlife that doesn't exist."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\nI'm being civil in my own thread I should've known when I made a thread about religion you retard chimps would start throwing shit everywhere. Not everyone is a jaded troll in every thread nice \"samefag\" damage control though."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\nYes probably but that doesn’t mean this universe is the only one or the first one or the first iteration.\nCould be infinite and cyclical, could be ever branching into different universes."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>87\nI literally gave it to you in the post you quoted. Read the section on Modern Cosmology.\n\n>>84\n>Are we counting mere accusations as evidence now?\nyou're the one who brought up \"the consensus of all Christians\" as being somehow relevant to the truthfulness of Christianity.\n>I never once made the positive claim ITT that Christianity was the true religion\nYou said I should be put on medication for suggesting that Christianity was created as a socio-political tool, to which I pointed out that you yourself likely accept that this is true of many/most religions and asked if you can somehow make a proper argument why seeing Christianity in this light should not be a valid line of inquiry. And you have completely failed to do that.\n\nAs for the quote, here's from the book of Acts, chapter 2, NIV:\nNow there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”\n\n\nNote, if this passage had contained a reference (even a vague reference that would not have been understood by people at the time) to the Mayas or Aztecs or some other nation from a part of the world that was unknown to 1st century Judeans and Romans, I would've seen it as strong evidence that the Christian scripture was divinely inspired. Seems like a missed opportunity there, don't you think?"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>89\n>Lmao. Dodging the question, I see. Busted!\nyou've only busted yourself, faggot. do you even know what a false equivalency is? you don't answer \"yes or no\" to a fallocy. you expose the fallocy for what it is, rather than taking the bait. but that's all you have to prop up your religion is lies and bait, so of course you'd use that.\n>What proof? You said verbatim that you've supplied proof about ten times in this thread. Where is this proof?\njust gave it to you. (i can play the repetition game too, sweetheart)\n>Yep.\nother people said hindu is the truth too. what's your point?\n>So you're just making shit up?\nfine, i'll do it. gimme a minute.\n>There is no connection. It's been debunked about a million times\nand your religion as a whole has been debunked several million times as well. i'm willing to bet you think when Shin-Megami-Tensei stole clear renditions of the Mickey Mouse/Donald Duck characters in their \"spooky theme world\" that that was just a coincidence too, right? no, it wasn't and they almost got their asses sued to hell and back.\nhttps://kotaku.com/did-you-know-mickey-mouse-and-donald-duck-parodies-almo-1838194428\nwas this a coincidence or not?\n>Bet you believe christmas is pagan too, kek\nthat's \"Yuletide\"\n>Which dictionary is that? I specifically asked for a dictionary definition.\nto be fair, you said you didn't care. i'm using merriam-webster definition 2b. but you've lost the argument so badly that we're going to resort to which definition of pacification is le correct. go ahead, we're listening."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\nDude, just give me the proof. This is embarrassing."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>91\nbecause other mythologies have clear references to a Big Bang-style event. Christianity doesn't."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>96\nah, you are samefagging. got it. phone in one hand, keyboard in the other. can't wait until they rangeban every single network so you faggots can't pull shit like this anymore. i would have believed you had you not provided this seething response.\nthey always expose themselves though..."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nat first i thought it was a try-hard boomer but now i'm smelling (((something)))"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nWhy would I refute my own points?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nit's a \"give and take\" kind of thing.\nif you agreed too hard, there would be more than just me calling you out."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>91\n>Why?\nbecause the Big Bang is in fact based on the bursting of the Cosmic Egg, a motif found in Indo-European religions and especially Greek Orphic mythology, and NOT in Christcuckery."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nYou're a dipshit you wouldnt have believed me either way because your entire personality has 5 layers of jaded irony I'll continue to try and have normal conversations with anons in the hopes they do back. You retards started screeching at eachother 8 posts in for hours but I'm the one who's seething."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nAaah my egg is boorstiiing"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>95\n>If you don't believe in god, it's because you are smart enough to know it's all bullshit.\nLook, guys. We've got someone who's smart enough to realize that something can come from nothing!\n>>97\n>Could be infinite and cyclical,\nKnew you were eventually going to come to this. You do realize that an infinite regress is impossible, correct? Do you believe it's possible for a person to have an infinite amount of ancestors?\n\n>>98\n>you're the one who brought up \"the consensus of all Christians\" as being somehow relevant to the truthfulness of Christianity.\nNo, I didn't. I only said that to expose the double standard of the post prior to that. But you would've known that if you were actually following the trajectory of the conversation.\n>You said I should be put on medication for suggesting that Christianity was created as a socio-political tool, to which I pointed out that you yourself likely accept that this is true of many/most religions and asked if you can somehow make a proper argument why seeing Christianity in this light should not be a valid line of inquiry. And you have completely failed to do that.\nJust because Christianity isn't a psyop doesn't mean I'm claiming that it's the true religion. That's a total non-sequitur. You would've quoted me if you could prove that I made a positive claim, but you didn't because you're a liar.\n>As for the quote, here's from the book of Acts, chapter 2, NIV:\nLook up Genesis' Table of Nations. That's what it's referring to.\n> do you even know what a false equivalency is?\nDo you? Just admit you got fucking busted.\n>just gave it to you. (i can play the repetition game too, sweetheart)\nOkay. So, if I look up this thread, I will be able to find ten instances of you supplying these supposed \"proofs?\" Do you want to bet on that?\n>other people said hindu is the truth too. what's your point?\nMy point is that scholarly consensus is a useful substantiation."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>99\n>and your religion as a whole has been debunked several million times as well.\nDebunked, how?\n>that's \"Yuletide\"\nProve it.\n>to be fair, you said you didn't care. i'm using merriam-webster definition 2b. but you've lost the argument so badly that we're going to resort to which definition of pacification is le correct. go ahead, we're listening.\nOkay, cool. Now, can you explain to me how turning the other cheek is submission? What type of submission are you talking about?\n>>100\nOkay, fine. I'll just give you the formulation outright.\n1.Every contingent fact has an explanation.\n2.There is a contingent fact that includes all other contingent facts.\n3.Therefore, there is an explanation of this fact.\n4.This explanation must involve a necessary being.\n5.This necessary being is God.\n\nThere's your proof.\n\n>>101\nI asked what makes Christianity fundamentally incompatible with the Big Bang. The Big Bang was created by a Catholic priest, btw.\n>>106\nThe Big Bang was created by a Catholic priest, dumb fuck."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\n>There's your proof.\nThat's not the proof I was asking for you illiterate retard. I was asking for proof that the creator god is one of the gods of the world religions."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\n>Do you? Just admit you got fucking busted.\njust admit you're trying to pull false equivalency and we can call it a day.\n>Okay. So, if I look up this thread, I will be able to find ten instances of you supplying these supposed \"proofs?\" Do you want to bet on that?\nperhaps 10 is an exaggeration, but it's probably pretty close to that. if you add in all the other anons' arguments, we're probably up to 50.\n>My point is that scholarly consensus is a useful substantiation.\nand there's scholarly consensus that hindu is the truth too. since this is useful substantiation, i guess christcuckianity, hindu, atheism, and buddhism are all simultaneously true."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>109\n>Knew you were eventually going to come to this. You do realize that an infinite regress is impossible,\nIt’s not anon and gaming it out in your head and failing isn’t proof of the contrary."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>110\n>Debunked, how?\nit's been provided to you free of charge, at least 50 times in this thread. i'll let you count though, since you're willing to take an anonymous internet bet on it.\n>Prove it.\ncuz i fucking said so, and i'll just assert it 100+ more times, considering that's the standard of proof you're operating on\n>Okay, cool. Now, can you explain to me how turning the other cheek is submission? What type of submission are you talking about?\nthe type where you don't fight back when you've been wronged. it's about the most submissive thing you can possibly do."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>109\n>Knew you were eventually going to come to this. You do realize that an infinite regress is impossible, correct? Do you believe it's possible for a person to have an infinite amount of ancestors?\nNTA but he was referring to the universe as a whole, not just the world."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>107\nyou've done an excellent job of convincing us otherwise."}, {"id": 117, "content": "ITT: yhwh's silliest clown attempts and fails to debunk several anons who actually care about what's true or not."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>10\nIt's not really a choice though. It's like \"choosing\" to be gay or choosing to be short."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>116\n>Us\nIs there even more than 3 people in this thread including my samefag posts?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>110\n>I asked what makes Christianity fundamentally incompatible with the Big Bang.\nno you didn't, you liar.\nI pointed out that other religious systems have much more clear allusions to a Big Bang event than Christianity, brought up the concept of the Cosmic Egg and even gave you a link to an article about it, and you simply asked \"why?\"\nAt no point did I claim that \"Christianity fundamentally incompatible with the Big Bang\""}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nwho knows anymore.\ni can't tell if i've been arguing with a bot or even myself at this point."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>111\nI'm already in the middle of another debate. The proofs for Christianity are too exhaustive for me to go through with you on top of the bullshittery I'm already dealing with now. For now, I'll be happy to respond to any positive claims you make against my faith.\n>>112\n>just admit you're trying to pull false equivalency and we can call it a day.\nNot before you can prove it.\n>perhaps 10 is an exaggeration, but it's probably pretty close to that. if you add in all the other anons' arguments, we're probably up to 50.\nOkay, so you were lying. Thank you for the honest admission.\n>and there's scholarly consensus that hindu is the truth too. since this is useful substantiation, i guess christcuckianity, hindu, atheism, and buddhism are all simultaneously true.\nJust because you can substantiate a claim, that doesn't mean the claim is unequivocally true. I never claimed that. I just said it's a useful substantiation. Man, you're slow.\n>It’s not anon and gaming it out in your head and failing isn’t proof of the contrary.\nOkay, so prove it. How does time work in a non-actualized universe that has no beginning? It's dumb and fallacious.\n>>114\n>it's been provided to you free of charge, at least 50 times in this thread. i'll let you count though, since you're willing to take an anonymous internet bet on it.\nI've debunked every single one.\n>cuz i fucking said so, and i'll just assert it 100+ more times, considering that's the standard of proof you're operating on\nYou can't prove it, because you know it's an utter lie straight from the devil's mouth. Christmas predates Yule, you dumb liar.\n>the type where you don't fight back when you've been wronged. it's about the most submissive thing you can possibly do.\nAlright. Now I'm going to ask you to define \"submissive.\"\n>>115\n>NTA but he was referring to the universe as a whole, not just the world.\nIt's an analogy."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\nYou said that the Big Bang was not an argument in favor of Christianity. That implies that the argument is unfavorable. So, I'm going to ask you for the second time, how is Christianity incompatible with the Big Bang?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\n>The proofs for Christianity\nThat's not the question either you dumb cunt.\nMy original claim is that you assume that if god exists, one religion has to be correct and so you work by process of elimination which lowers your bar for evidence.\nI'm asking you to prove the idea that if god exists, one of the world religions is correct. If you can't prove this, the process of elimination method no longer works so the bar for what's convincing evidence goes up."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>121\nSo you were the samefag all along"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\n>You said that the Big Bang was not an argument in favor of Christianity. That implies that the argument is unfavorable.\nHoly shit.\n>So, I'm going to ask you for the second time, how is Christianity incompatible with the Big Bang?\nHoly fucking shit.\nYou're either 80IQ or trolling."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>124\n>I'm asking you to prove the idea that if god exists, one of the world religions is correct.\nDefine \"correct.\" Because, in my view, some religions can contain some correct things here and there (like the idea of monotheism, an omnipotent and eternal creator deity, an all-loving deity, etc etc.) but only one religion is 100% correct across the board."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\n>only one religion is 100% correct across the board\nProve that such a religion currently exists."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nYou're braindead. Fuck off with your indian mysticism. The Big Bang theory was created by a Catholic priest, you dullard. Next."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nI'm not even him, I was just in awe at your idiotic logic. None of what you said follows from what he said."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\nBecause every religion makes different claims about God and has differences in doctrine and theology. Contradictory claims can't both be true at the same time, so obviously only one religion bears the full truth."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nLift up your drooling slacked jaw and explain how my logic doesn't follow, then."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>123\n>You said that the Big Bang was not an argument in favor of Christianity. That implies that the argument is unfavorable. So, I'm going to ask you for the second time, how is Christianity incompatible with the Big Bang?\nAt no point did I claim that \"Christianity fundamentally incompatible with the Big Bang.\"\nI pointed out that other religious systems have much more clear allusions to a Big Bang event than Jew Worship, brought up the concept of the Cosmic Egg and even gave you a link to an article about it.\n\nThe fact that other religious systems have much more clear allusions to a Big Bang event than Jew Worship means that Big Bang theory would be evidence in favor of those other religious systems rather than Jew Worship."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>131\nDo you genuinely not understand the question? Are you incapable of comprehending the possibility that a creator god exists but none of the extant religions are 100% correct? Is it some sort of mental block for you?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>132\n\"Not an argument for\" doesn't imply \"unfavourable\", and \"unfavourable\" doesn't imply \"incompatible \"."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\n>Do you genuinely not understand the question? Are you incapable of comprehending the possibility that a creator god exists but none of the extant religions are 100% correct? Is it some sort of mental block for you?\nOkay? I acknowledge the possibility. Happy now? How the fuck would I be able to prove that? I'm not an infallible guru. At best, I can only say it's highly likely that the creator God has revealed himself through history. Are you satisfied now? Now stop badgering me.\n>>133\nDidn't ask."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\n>I can only say it's highly likely that the creator God has revealed himself through history.\nWhy?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>135\nStop being dumb. If I eat junk food, is it favourable for maintaining fitness? No. So if it's not favourable, then that means eating junk food is UNFAVOURABLE to maintaining fitness. It's a simple corollary."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>124\n>My original claim is that you assume that if god exists, one religion has to be correct\nWrong"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\nThrough historicity and philosophy. And the fact that most other religions have crippling errors."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>138\nThanks for proving that you're low IQ. The existence of potatoes is not an argument for the general relativity. Is the existence of potatoes unfavourable to general relativity?"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\n>Through historicity and philosophy.\nHow does that imply that God communicates with us?\n>And the fact that most other religions have crippling errors.\nThat does absolutely nothing for the argument that one religion is correct."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nThat's not what he said. He said the Big Bang is not an argument FAVOURABLE to Christianity. Favourable being the operatiev word here. Read what he originally said, you dumbass."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>139\nAlright, what does Christianity have that makes it more likely that any other possible god concept that isn't being worshipped right now?"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nAlright, I concede you're right on that one. Do you concede that you were wrong about him implying that it's incompatible with Christianity?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\n>How does that imply that God communicates with us?\nLook up the historical arguments for the Resurrection, for starters. And every trait that the Christian God possesses can be proven through philosophy.\n>That does absolutely nothing for the argument that one religion is correct.\nIf God reveals himself through history, he's going to want that revelation to endure. So if the revelation did indeed endure through one of the many modern religions, then I can know for certain that it won't reside with the religions that contain errors."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\n>Look up the historical arguments for the Resurrection, for starters.\nI have, it's weak. And the crucial point here is that it's even weaker when you don't operate under the assumption that God would have to communicate with us.\n>And every trait that the Christian God possesses can be proven through philosophy.\nOnly if you assume an unproven metaphysical framework, and even then I'd argue that you still can't actually prove that.\n>If God reveals himself through history, he's going to want that revelation to endure.\nNot necessarily, and there's still no proof that God would want to reveal himself in the first place.\nAlso the back and forth arguments between adherents of different religions about errors are fascinating, but I don't think any of them are actually without errors."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\n>I have, it's weak.\nWhat's weak about it?\n>Only if you assume an unproven metaphysical framework, and even then I'd argue that you still can't actually prove that.\nLet's go by your framework. What is your favored approach to epistemology?"}, {"id": 149, "content": "Is heaven more about believing, or more about being a good and decent person? If it's the former, then bad people can access heaven, but if it's the latter, wouldn't that enable non-believers to get in all the same?"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nNon-believers can possibly go to heaven under certain conditions. Look up invincible ignorance."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>148\n>What's weak about it?\nIt relies on putting excessive faith in second/third hand accounts and the rationality and reliability of certain people.\n>Let's go by your framework. What is your favored approach to epistemology?\nIs this a presupp argument?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP, if you become Christian, this is how you will end up sooner or later:\nhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=p2_p_qwIyZ4 [Embed]\nDo you really want that?\nTurn around now while it's not yet too late."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\n>It relies on putting excessive faith in second/third hand accounts\nThese accounts have been tested with the same historical rigour as any other set of historical documents. Why the double standard?\n>and the rationality and reliability of certain people.\nYeah, and? If there's one thing you can count on, it's that people will not kill themselves for things they know not to be true. I would acknowledge your concern if it was only one testimony, but *many* testimonies? That evidence is as good as any.\n>Is this a presupp argument?\nBro, do you want to be convinced or not? Why are you playing games?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>149\nThere is no one that is good. Not one!\n>10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.\nRomans 3:10-12\n\nAnd all that are not good - that is, everyone - deserves death, because that is justice, and God is perfectly just.\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\nThat is why Jesus came to earth; for no one is good enough to enter heaven by their own works, but must be made righteous by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. This is the good news of Christianity.\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n>For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.\nJohn 3:16\n>We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.\nRomans 6:6\n>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\nJohn 14:6\n>“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”\nMark 1:15\n>Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.\nJohn 6:47\n>Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!\n2 Corinthians 9:15"}, {"id": 155, "content": "A god that tortures you for eternity for using your critical thinking skills is not worthy of worship. Just turn your brain off bro or I will set you on fire forever. It's so insane how billions of Christians will try to justify this and then praise him for being so merciful."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>153\n>These accounts have been tested with the same historical rigour as any other set of historical documents.\nThe account for the historicity of Jesus sure, but things like Paul's claim about the 500 doesn't cut the mustard.\n>If there's one thing you can count on, it's that people will not kill themselves for things they know not to be true.\nCan you show me any witnesses of supernatural events dying for the cause?\n>Bro, do you want to be convinced or not? Why are you playing games?\nI'm not playing games, I'm asking you if you want to argue via the presuppositional argument. Do you want to hide your motives because you can't argue honestly?"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">leaves thread\n>is productive for 1-2 hours\n>comes back to thread\n>christcuck still getting utterly BTFO\n>leaves thread\n\nlook bud, i'll admit many aren't as determined as you; but i can leave this thread satisfied cuz anyone stupid enough to believe any of your arguments is NOT someone we would even want on our side. thanks for playin' though, it was fun destroying you."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\n>le something can come out of nothing\n>b-because it JUST CAN, OKAY?!!1\nGeeet the hell out of here, scum."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>156\nWhy do you reject the historicity of the New Testament? Aren't you just committing a genetic fallacy?\n>Can you show me any witnesses of supernatural events dying for the cause?\nAre you calling me illogical for stating that a rational person will not martyr themselves for a blatant lie? Is this illogical?\n>I'm not playing games, I'm asking you if you want to argue via the presuppositional argument. Do you want to hide your motives because you can't argue honestly?\nYes. Now go ahead. Lord, your heart is hardened."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\n>Why do you reject the historicity of the New Testament? Aren't you just committing a genetic fallacy?\nWhere did I say that I \"reject the historicity of the New Testament?\n>Are you calling me illogical for stating that a rational person will not martyr themselves for a blatant lie? Is this illogical?\nNo. Why are you lying about what I'm saying?\n>Yes. Now go ahead. Lord, your heart is hardened.\nProve that you can \"know\" things in the sense that presuppositionalists use the word. That is, that all your claims actually are grounded by something at the long chain of justifications."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>158\n>le a ridiculously powerful being created everything with magic in 6 days\n>he doesn't need an actual explanation for his existence b-because he JUST DOESN'T, OK"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\n>Where did I say that I \"reject the historicity of the New Testament?\nOkay, I see now that you don't. So the historical argument for the Resurrection is solid, don't you agree?\n>No. Why are you lying about what I'm saying?\nOkay, so if it's not illogical, then why can't I count the martyrdom of the Apostles as strong evidence?\n>Prove that you can \"know\" things in the sense that presuppositionalists use the word. That is, that all your claims actually are grounded by something at the long chain of justifications.\nOkay. Define proof. Because who knows what the fuck will satisfy your incredibly amorphous definition of \"proof.\"\n>>161\n>he doesn't need an actual explanation for his existence b-because he JUST DOESN'T, OK\nThe explanation is that God is a necessary being, retard. He causes himself to exist."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\nSo it's perfectly rational that God can cause himself to exist, but it's crazy to think the universe can?"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\n>Okay, I see now that you don't. So the historical argument for the Resurrection is solid, don't you agree?\nNope. You seem to think that one has to either accept everything in any piece of writing or reject it all. That is a laughable misinterpretation of the historical method.\n>Okay, so if it's not illogical, then why can't I count the martyrdom of the Apostles as strong evidence?\nWere they acting rationally? Were they actually martyred? If they were, did they have the choice to recant?\n>Okay. Define proof. Because who knows what the fuck will satisfy your incredibly amorphous definition of \"proof.\"\nGive me your best attempt. I'll look over anything you put together. If you don't give me anything, I'll just assume you have nothing."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how does one make it into heaven if he can't believe?\nyou don't"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how does one make it into heaven if he can't believe?\n\nBe atheist but good person and you will be send to Purgatory where you just serve time and be send ti heaven"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nthis is Pelagianism, and is considered heretical by the catholic church.\n\n>>2\nthis is also not correct, in the catholic church if you die with mortal sin you go to hell, regardless of baptismal status."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>163\n>So it's perfectly rational that God can cause himself to exist, but it's crazy to think the universe can?\nYes, because an eternal and uncreated universe would entail certain properties that are demonstrably inapplicable to this current reality. Like being fully actualized, for one.\n>>164\n>Nope. You seem to think that one has to either accept everything in any piece of writing or reject it all. That is a laughable misinterpretation of the historical method.\nAre you going to make a claim or are you just going to tiptoe like a dainty faggot? Unless you fulfill your burden of rejoinder, I'll just start taking concessions.\n>Were they acting rationally? Were they actually martyred? If they were, did they have the choice to recant?\nYes, yes, and no. The Bible, Suetonius, and Josephus attest to Christian martyrdom, and there is no evidence of recantation anywhere.\n>Give me your best attempt. I'll look over anything you put together. If you don't give me anything, I'll just assume you have nothing.\nNo. Fuck off. Define proof, and define your method of validating said proof. I'm not playing your dumb little games anymore."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>167\n>catholic\n\ncatholism is fake and un-christian anyway"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>168\n>Are you going to make a claim or are you just going to tiptoe like a dainty faggot? Unless you fulfill your burden of rejoinder, I'll just start taking concessions.\nWhat claim am I supposed to make? Are you too low IQ to understand that not accepting every single thing a source says isn't the genetic fallacy?\n>Yes, yes, and no. The Bible, Suetonius, and Josephus attest to Christian martyrdom, and there is no evidence of recantation anywhere.\nGive me specific Bible verses regarding the martyrdom of the apostles. Ditto for Josephus and Suetonius.\n>Yes, yes, and no.\nWhy do you think they were acting rationally? And if they weren't given the chance to recant, it's irrelevant since they would've been killed anyway.\n>No. Fuck off. Define proof, and define your method of validating said proof. I'm not playing your dumb little games anymore.\nSo you have nothing. I accept your concession."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\n>What claim am I supposed to make? Are you too low IQ to understand that not accepting every single thing a source says isn't the genetic fallacy?\nOkay, since you have presented no reasoning for your rejection of my sources, then I'll take this concession here.\n>Give me specific Bible verses regarding the martyrdom of the apostles. Ditto for Josephus and Suetonius.\nActs 12:2 for the Bible.\nSuetonius:\n>\"Punishment was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition.\"\nJosephus:\n>\" Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned\"\n>Why do you think they were acting rationally?\nBecause no rational person martyrs themselves for a lie.\n>And if they weren't given the chance to recant, it's irrelevant since they would've been killed anyway.\nNo, I meant they never recanted. Ever. They had plenty of chances to recant; the apostles evaded persecution for years, they weren't immediately cut down on extremely short notice.\n>So you have nothing. I accept your concession.\nMmmhm. This guy's burning in Hell for sure."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>171\n>Okay, since you have presented no reasoning for your rejection of my sources, then I'll take this concession here.\nI'm not \"rejecting your sources\" wholesale. That's your fantasy.\n>Acts 12:2 for the Bible.\nGreat, at least that something. The whole narrative seems to be legendary though, things like Herod's death conflict with other sources.\n>Suetonius\nDoesn't talk about apostles.\n>Josephus\nThat one's better. So we have one apostle and no information on whether he could've recanted.\n>Because no rational person martyrs themselves for a lie.\nRight, but irrational ones do. And you have no proof that the apostles were acting rationally.\n>No, I meant they never recanted. Ever. They had plenty of chances to recant; the apostles evaded persecution for years, they weren't immediately cut down on extremely short notice.\nIrrelevant. You think there are no people who escaped persecution but recanted when they were actually caught and being sentenced? That's pretty normal human behaviour.\n>Mmmhm. This guy's burning in Hell for sure.\nNow you're just irrationally lashing out because you have no argument in support of your presupp."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\n>I'm not \"rejecting your sources\" wholesale. That's your fantasy.\nWhat parts do you reject, and why.\n>Doesn't talk about apostles.\nThe apostles weren't the only ones who saw the resurrected Jesus, but okay.\n>That one's better. So we have one apostle and no information on whether he could've recanted.\n1 Clement also states that Peter and Paul were martyred, too.\n>“Let us take the noble examples of our own generation. Through jealousy and envy the greatest and most just pillars of the Church were persecuted, and came even unto death. . . . Peter, through unjust envy, endured not one or two but many labours, and at last, having delivered his testimony, departed unto the place of glory due to him.”\n\n>\"Owing to envy, Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects. Thus was he removed from the world, and went into the holy place, having proved himself a striking example of patience.\"\n\n>Right, but irrational ones do. And you have no proof that the apostles were acting rationally.\nYou do realize the apostles were hiding from the Romans in fear for their lives after Jesus was arrested, right? What are the odds that an entire group of people suddenly gain the courage to forfeit their lives in the most peculiar way possible - by concocting an easily disproven lie and suffering persecution for years. Explain Paul's conversion, even, because he was HUNTING down the Christians. Was he irrational too?"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>172\n>Irrelevant. You think there are no people who escaped persecution but recanted when they were actually caught and being sentenced? That's pretty normal human behaviour.\nThen why didn't Paul recant the many times he was imprisoned? Why didn't Peter recant when he was imprisoned?\n\nThe burden of proof is on YOU to prove that they recanted. Fuck outta here, sophist.\n>Now you're just irrationally lashing out because you have no argument in support of your presupp.\nOh, but I do have an argument.\nGod is real because I saw him with my own eyes. Prove I'm wrong."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnfortunately not but there is still hope for you OP. When you come to realize that all the basis for all human religion is one than you won’t have to fear he’ll ever again, because hell is the second death due to the absence of God in one’s life. Live virtuously and you will in time learn to walk the path of God"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>175\nNo one can \"live virtuously\" by our own will.\n\n>As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one\nRomans 3:10\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nThe only path to salvation is through Jesus.\n\n>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\nJohn 14:6\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\n>Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.\nJohn 6:47"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>176\n>The only path to salvation is through Jesus.\nSo what happens to tribesmen who've never heard of the Gospel but live righteous lives regardless? What happens to them?"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\nYou'll find your answer in John 14:6"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>178\n>John 14:6\nThat's not an answer. Are they saved, or are they not saved? It would be utterly evil for God to punish those who have had no opportunity to receive the Gospel just because they lacked faith. How can you have faith in something you don't even know exists?"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>179\nGod gives grace freely, as a gift, to those who He wishes.\n\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm terrified of the existence of hell\nLiteral 4-year-old."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI came to /his/ today because I really want to gain my faith back. It used to be my home board in 2017-2019 (because Ive always been a history-buff, not because of religion) and the quality went really down-hill. But this thread is convenient, so I'll ask how do you guys keep your faith. I want to believe, believe, but Ive spent all my youth fleeting from religion which gave me peace in my childhood. I am thinking of becoming a priest after i finish my unrelated degree, but I cannot leave the agnosticism behind.\nAnd please, dont use the stupid argumentation you are using. I dont want baby-arguments but to know what keeps your faith alive.\nSorry for this blog-fagging."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>118\nGay is also a choice"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>182\nRead, read, read the scripture.\nPray, pray, pray that the Holy Spirit enters you and strengthens you.\n\n>But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”\nActs 1:8\n\nUnderstand that you are wicked, and that without Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, you would be eternally lost. Understand that you must strive to serve God, and that He is infinitely greater than you. Read His word, and then go for a walk and meditate on His greatness, and ask to receive the Spirit. Pray from the bottom of your heart that you are changed.\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n>We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.\nRomans 6:6\n>I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,\nEphesians 3:16"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>75\nThis has always been a bad argument, you only need a source of energy for the big bang."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\n>you only need a creator in order for the big bang\nyes"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>75\n>It means the Big Bang had to be created by an eternal being that has always existed.\nOnce again, a christcuck doesnt understand what the big bang is."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>184\nThanks for the post.\nI will read and pray. I am anticipating it will be hard to read it spiritually and not like im dissecting the history behind it, but i will try."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>110\nAnon that's just a variation of first mover which is already a bad argument, because first mover could be many things including just a source of energy."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm terrified of the existence of hell\nreally nigga?"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but I just don't know how to make myself believe in god\nThere was a man, that I actually met on this website, who was an atheist. He was open-minded enough to let me talk to him and share resources about God. After some time, he actually told me that he wanted to be Christian, but that he couldn't \"do\" it. And what I told him is the same thing I will tell you.\nNobody chooese to be Christian. God chooses to elect someone as a Christian. It was interesting for me to see that. I told him that he should pray to God to have mercy on him and repent of his sins continually. After he did that for some time he finally did actually become Christian and I am still in contact with him to this day. I'm happy that he knows God now, but it's not about saying some words and it's not even about a desire to want to be something. It's a desire to know God to the extent that you would take action to better know him."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>191\n>I told him that he should pray to God to have mercy on him and repent of his sins continually. After he did that for some time he finally did actually become Christian and I am still in contact with him to this day.\nYou coerced someone into contracting schizophrenia."}, {"id": 193, "content": "The [national conference of bishops] may also provide, if circumstances suggest and in keeping with local custom, a preliminary manner of receiving those interested in the precatechumenate, that is, those inquirers who, even though they do not fully believe, show some leaning toward the Christian faith (and who may be called ‘sympathisers’).\n1. Such a reception, if it takes place, will be carried out without any ritual celebration; it is the expression not yet of faith, but of a right intention.\n2. The reception will be adapted to local conditions and to the pastoral situation. Some candidates may need to see evidence of the spirit of Christians that they are striving\nto understand and experience. For others, however, whose catechumenate will be delayed for one reason or another, some initial act of the candidates or the community\nthat expresses their reception may be appropriate.\n3. The reception will be held at a meeting or gathering of the local community, on an occasion that will permit friendly conversation. An inquirer or ‘sympathiser’ is introduced by a friend and then welcomed and received by the priest or some other representative member of the community.\n40 During the precatechumenate period, parish priests (pastors) should help those taking part in it with prayers suited to them, for example, by celebrating for their spiritual well-being\nthe prayers of exorcism and the blessings given in the ritual (nos. 94, 97).\n\nGet involved with a faith community and ask them to pray for you. Attend the liturgy of the Word. Ask the Lord to grant you the gift of faith.\n\n\"If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” (Luke 11:11-13)"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>2\n>Get baptized by the Catholic church, then you will automatically make into purgatory\nLook at this kind of nonsense the Catholic church has made up over the centuries lol. Purgatory is just a corruption of Hades -- The Abode of the Dead where everyone goes in waiting for judgement day."}, {"id": 195, "content": "The only reason one should fear hell is because they've gotten into a contract with this jewish supremacist demon, and worship it. In doing so, you are giving it permission to send you to eternal torment for doing something as innocuous as looking at breasts too long. The true God of the universe would never do such a thing. It's best to get out from underneath this religion as soon as possible. Anybody truly seeking God would never stand for a text full of contradictions as his word."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jesus said there would be no miracles\nJohn said there would be neither man nor woman\nGod will do SRS on all of you and turn you into nullos."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSource?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nblow it out your ass"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is the truth"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "marxists be like"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou know that Patrick is supposed to NOT make sense in this meme, right?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDumb commies. People labor for things they value, things don't have value because someone labored for it. A mud pie has no value. Value is subjective. Nobody would trade anything unless value was subjective."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy not just cut out the middle man and get rid of capital? That way you can deal directly with the value of labor. Capital is just unnecessary."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCouldn't everyone just do a poor job and claim their work is more valuable because they worked more for it?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nCongratulations, you just destroyed Marxism."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Capital is just unnecessary.\nTry getting a bunch of guys to build you a car factory without paying them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In Eden's garden, so pure and so bright,\nThe serpent did slither, in the shadows of night.\nHe tempted Eve, with fruit so fair,\nAnd told her lies, with cunning care.\n\nShe ate the fruit, and then did share,\nWith Adam, her husband, who was also there.\nTheir eyes were opened, and they saw their shame,\nAnd fear and guilt, became their new name.\n\nGod came to them, and asked them why,\nThey hid themselves, and did not come nigh.\nThey confessed their sin, and felt great remorse,\nFor they had disobeyed, and taken a wrongful course.\n\nGod cursed the serpent, and said to him,\nOn thy belly thou shalt go, and thy head shalt be dim.\nTo the woman, He said, in sorrow thou shalt bear,\nAnd to the man, He said, by the sweat of thy brow, shalt thou fare.\n\nGod cast them out, from Eden's land,\nAnd gave them coats, to cover their shame and stand.\nAnd from that day, sin did reign,\nAnd the world was never, quite the same again.\n\nBut God, in His mercy, had a plan in mind,\nTo send a savior, to all mankind.\nFor in the midst of sin and strife,\nHe would bring hope and eternal life.\n\nSo let us remember, the story of Eve,\nAnd the sin that caused us all to grieve.\nFor in God's grace, we can be restored,\nAnd through Christ, we can live forevermore."}, {"id": 2, "content": "In Babylon, the land of old,\nKing Nebuchadnezzar reigned so bold.\nHe built a statue of pure gold,\nAnd ordered all to bow, behold.\n\nBut three young men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,\nWould not bow down, to the king's ego.\nThey knew their God, was the only one,\nAnd would not worship, the golden sun.\n\nThe king was furious, with rage so strong,\nAnd ordered them, to be thrown along.\nInto the fiery furnace, they were cast,\nBut their faith in God, would forever last.\n\nBut to the king's surprise, he saw,\nFour men in the furnace, without a flaw.\nThe fourth was like, a son of God,\nAnd they were all, unharmed by the hot rod.\n\nThey emerged from the furnace, without a burn,\nAnd the king knew, he had much to learn.\nHe praised their God, and made a decree,\nThat no one should, blaspheme against He.\n\nSo let us learn, from their faith so strong,\nTo stand for God, and never do wrong.\nFor He alone, is the one to obey,\nAnd in Him alone, we find our way."}, {"id": 3, "content": "saged and reported for advertising"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are iranians such an ugly race? Where did these cursed orcs originated? Look at picrel. No other race save farsjeets have these horrendous looks"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not all humans are created equal sweetie"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverybody from Europe, North Africa, Middle East, to Northern India have the exact same face and I'm tired of pretending they don't."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWell..."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat the fuck"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Late medieval history be like\n>ottomans seige Christian city of major importance\n>pope rallies a relief force\n>Europeans decide to bicker among each other in a perpetual dick measuring contest instead of helping\n>ottomans take the city"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>ottomans take the city\nnot my problem"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Zoroastrianism a polytheistic religion before Zarathustra?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZoroastrianism remained polytheistic until the 4th century when it had begun to be officially codified and institutionalized in order to compete against Rome and Christianity, which had already started to make way into Persia and many Zoroastrian elites saw it as a threat and considered a fifth column of Rome.\n\nBut for the longest time Zoroastrianism was very politheistic, you had the Amesha Spentas which were basically minor gods in their own right, plus the dualism of Ahura Mazda and Angra Maynu which were seen as two equal and opposite forces independent of each other, and let's not even talk about Zurvan and that whole other part of Zoroastrianism's story. The idea that Abrahamic religions got their monotheism from Zoroastrianism is a meme and a joke, Zoroastrianism couldn't be further from monotheism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAre there any holy texts that are worth reading if I'm interested in the polytheistic aspects?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThere are only scraps, unfortunately, you can thank Alexander \"the Great\" for that, he really wrecked their shit up when he reached Persia, it's no wonder that historically Persians have hated his guts, he permanently maimed Zoroastrianism and would never recover, he burned down their libraries and even destroyed their gold-engraved Zend Avesta, which was an invaluable source for knowing how Zoroastrianism was like for centuries."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Somali BVLLS would have conquered all of East Africa if it wasn't for European intervention"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Europeans shipped Negroids to the Americas\n>Europeans imported Negroids to Europe (to breed with native European women)\n>Europeans prevented White / Caucasiform Somalians from BLEACHING Bantu Negroids in East Africa\nnegroids (yakub's people) are the gods of europeans, europeans exist to pleasure them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's still time plus they're getting their own continent in 2 million years"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the archeological explaination for picrelated"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndzudzuana"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFarsjeet-Norwegian pipeline"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What is the archeological explaination for picrelated\nCHG and Iran_N ancestry"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is this guy famous? What did he actually DO to earn his fame? Did he ever have sex?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What did he actually DO to earn his fame? Did he ever have sex?\nNever change, /his/."}, {"id": 3, "content": "yea I fucked him"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nanswer the question libtard"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Did Jesus ever have sex?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncuz he is destiny"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Matthew 5:44-45\n>But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.\nWhy didn't God tell this to the Israelites when they were conquering the Canaanites?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm not convinced that anyone could achieve controlling dominance over a market naturally.\n\nIf a business were to ever achieve dominance through their own merit, they would never need to use the state or other predatory measures to cut down their competition, they could just out-compete them. If they have to use outside force to stop competition, that implies they aren't that great at what they're doing.\nAnd even if they achieved dominance, and beat their competition, that would mean there'd be no competition left for them. Then they wouldn't need to innovate and they'd grow complacent, which is bad for business. And if there weren't forces outside the market to prop them up, they'd eventually go out of business."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Or possibly humour..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nAutistic ifunny user cringe"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Classic"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nRomans truly are the best teachers"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol"}, {"id": 6, "content": "No point in even fighting these plebbit meme threads anymore."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nI'm not going to waste time editing it but make the guy pic related and then make the punchline \"No, I don't want to discuss anything. I want to harass someone I vaguely know on the internet for no particular reason.\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nSlanderous lies!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>you are the bad guys for not surrendering to an invading power\nyou sound like a vatnik"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDifferent scenario.\n>Surrender or I will do X\n>No, we won't surrender!\n>OMFG WHY YOU DO X?!?!?!?!??!!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\ni dont get why cromwell is as controversial as he is, seemed like a relatively unremarkable guy who just happened to be in the right spot at the right time and ended up cleaning up a bunch of other guys' messes in a fairly neutral manner"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n> happened to be in the right spot at the right time\nExplains the massive amount of funding he got form crypto jews in the netherlands to fund his new model army or do you think the money came from magic\nIt's not an accident that Cromwell let the jews back in England."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nChange this but instead have the greek woman walk away with Mithradates. It was Greco-persians fighting off the Latin barbarian."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>>12\n>t. historylets"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nleddit tire"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nSpanish man make both kike and nazi seethe"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nYes. Ukrainian better surrender to Putin and his z force."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nDamn he a juicy one"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nDidn't he intially send guns to Chinese nationals vs Japan tho\nJapanese alliance came later as matter of convenience"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\nCromwell is one of the most blatant cases in history of superiority causing others to be mad jealous. People hate him because he btfo'd quite literally everybody in the British isles."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nyeah this"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nFunny that Catholics initially supported Nazism."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\nThis can't be a coincidence"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You will never be a legionnaire stationed on the border of your great empire fucking your barbarian gf doggystyle in full kit out in the bog\nIt's over"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nAll me"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nit is literally the exact same scenario."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nOoops, sorry, meant for /lit/"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nt.ant-glo"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\n>>27\nI kek'd anyway, thanks."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>7\n>lust-provoking image\n>irrelevant time wasting post\nlike clockwork"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Carl with tits\n>lust provoking\nAnon, I ...\nNvm, it don’t matter"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntop right is literally me\nt. ranny"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\na classic"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nI mean left"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\nSlander. Charles I was a total fuck up, but he at least faced death like a man."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Church right in banning private translation of the Bible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Are you conflating prophecy and translation?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts on underrated historical generals? Vo Nguyen Giap and Peng Dehuai come to mind because of the fact that they are the glaring exceptions to the negative(and much deserved) stereotype of commie generals."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">God could have created a world with free will and without evil\n>He just didn't want to"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe did create a world without evil."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow would he learn anything then?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>How would he learn\n\nThrough his omniscience? On of the classic attributes of God?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBy you living your life and then returning to share what you have learned. Rinse repeat."}, {"id": 6, "content": "How do you create a world with free will and no evil? That's logically incoherent."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nGod could do it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNo, He couldn't. God can't do anything logically inconsistent, like creating a round square. It simply doesn't exist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>God can't\nNot so omnipotent anymore, huh"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nBut why do that when God is omniscient?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nHow are natural disasters and war condusive to free will?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nIsn’t heaven basically that? Though I guess some of the angels were rebellious cunts."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nDo you believe that it's possible for anyone to live a good life devoid of evil if they're born into certain circumstances or do you believe that certain people are born predisposed to commit evil regardless of the circumstances they're born into?\nIf you believe that evil doers are predisposed then there was never any free will in it at all.\nIf you believe that's it's circumstantial and environmentally influenced, it should be theoretically possible to imagine a world where every single individual person is given the exact perfect scenario for them to choose to do good and to live good.\nIf you cannot imagine a theoretical world where this possibility for good exists, and that there are individuals who would be evil regardless of any world they were born into, then their evil couldn't have been truly free will, could it? They must have been made to be evil."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n/thread why did this thread continue"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nDoesn't mean he's not omnipotent. Omnipotence simply means all-powerful, not being able to do anything. There are things that are simply impossible for God to do, like sinning or ceasing to exist."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nHow do natural disasters and war frustrate free will any more than anything else?\n>>12\nPeople don't sin in Heaven out of choice, not divine puppetry.\n>>13\nAdam and Eve lived in a perfect world and still fell to sin. Evildoers are evil because they choose to be evil, not because they were foredestined to be."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nNope."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Adam and Eve lived in a perfect world and still fell to sin. Evildoers are evil because they choose to be evil, not because they were foredestined to be.\nEve is literally tempted by the snake (a being god made, and put in the garden knowingly) and Adam is then tempted by Eve.\nIf you're saying that God could never had made a Garden where they never commit the sin of eating the fruit, then how is that a matter of choice? They predestined to do it because that the way they were made. If you cannot imagine a scenario where they make another choice, as though this is the only choice they could ever possibly make, then how is it a choice?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nGod transcends mortal logic."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>How do natural disasters and war frustrate free will any more than anything else?\n\nThat's the point, if they have no bearing on free will why put them in?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\nIf they’re put into into a pre-determined perfect condition set they don’t really have free will in that case, either. A set of conditions which would assure they would never choose evil means their conditions would never allow the concept of evil to be presented to them to choose. Free will means you are presented with options and get to make choices.\n\nA baby is born in a room and is left in there. They are raised in that room with their every request fufilled. If that person ever wishes to leave the room, all they have to do is ask, or even think the desire, but they never do. Was it really their choice to stay if they never had a concept of there being such a thing as outside the room?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>If you're saying that God could never had made a Garden where they never commit the sin of eating the fruit, then how is that a matter of choice?\nLiterally read your own words. If God deliberately preconditions a Garden that makes it so that the Fall can not happen, how is THAT free will? The tree and serpent were placed in the Garden so that Adam and Eve would be given a choice to obey or disobey God.\n>>19\nSo then why do redditheists try to use \"mortal logic\" to disprove God? It's a self-defeating argument."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nFor one, war is a PRODUCT of free will. Humans go to war because they choose to. Secondly, rejecting God - who represents order - means embracing Chaos. Natural disasters are just one of the many chaotic emanations of this fallen world."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>If they’re put into into a pre-determined perfect condition set they don’t really have free will in that case, either.\nYou're not really following the theoretical.\nThey DO have a choice, but this theoretical perfect world is tailored in such a way that even with free will, everyone is personally situated that they make the correct choice every single time. Something I don't see why God as conceived here couldn't do.\nIf you cannot even conceive of such a world, you must think that some people will commit evil regardless of any perfect scenario, thus they also cannot have free will.\n>>22\nWhy is it not free will when the circumstances result in neither of them committing the sin, but it IS free will when the circumstances set them up to commit the sin no matter what? Either way it's not free will, but one scenario is obviously more desirable than the other."}, {"id": 25, "content": "God created the universe with the explicit knowledge that a snake would break in and cause havoc.\nIn fact, he created the world in such a way that would allow the snake in.\nAnd he created the snake to be powerful enough to get it.\nAnd he created humans to be naive enough to believe the snake.\nHe literally created humans that would act in a way that would displease him.\nBut free will somehow exists."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>17\nRead the bible"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\n>Omnipotence simply means all-powerful, not being able to do anything.\nThose are the exact same thing\n>There are things that are simply impossible for God to do, like sinning or ceasing to exist.\nSo sinning makes you more powerful than God? Got it."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\n>rejecting God\nThere are plenty of people that don't reject God though; and doesn't a fallen world negate the free will of the people that came after adam and eve? They had no choice to reject God"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>Why is it not free will when the circumstances result in neither of them committing the sin, but it IS free will when the circumstances set them up to commit the sin no matter what? Either way it's not free will, but one scenario is obviously more desirable than the other.\nBecause God didn't deliberately author the circumstances so as to conform to either outcome, whereas, in your proposition, he does. The choice to disobey God was still ultimately Adam and Eve's.\n\nChallenge: Define free will in a Garden that doesn't contain the serpent or the tree.\n\n>>27\n>Those are the exact same thing\nNo, it isn't. It doesn't necessarily follow that just because you're all-powerful, it means you can do anything - even logically incoherent things. If I'm wrong, then prove it.\n>So sinning makes you more powerful than God? Got it.\nSure, try telling Brock Lesnar you're more powerful than him because you know how to greentext and he doesn't. Lmao.\n>>28\n>There are plenty of people that don't reject God though;\nThe Bible states that all humans have fallen short of God's perfection. So yes, yes they have.\n>and doesn't a fallen world negate the free will of the people that came after adam and eve? They had no choice to reject God\nIf put in the same position as Adam and Eve, they *would've.* That's basically original sin 101."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>Challenge: Define free will in a Garden that doesn't contain the serpent or the tree.\nImagine two individuals living very different lives.\nOne is born to loving parents in a safe and peaceful environment, given a good education and tons of helpful and healthy opportunities to live a fulfilling life.\nThe other born to poverty, a broken family, surrounded by crime and death, with little to no opportunities to better themselves.\nNow, both could become good people, and both could become bad, but it's unarguable that the circumstances of the latters life will put them at a significantly higher chance to commit evil than the former.\nBut does that mean the first child has more free will than the second? I don't think so, they have the same amount of \"free will\", just different opportunities.\nYou don't even need to remove the tree or the serpent from the garden to imagine a different outcome, the central hinge point of the entire story is that Eve is \"deceived\", deceived as in, not given full information on the ramifications of her choices.\nWhy not imagine a garden where Adam and Eve are simply more informed.\nIf they can't have further knowledge of the consequences of their sin, because that knowledge comes from the tree, then what knowledge do they possess initially.\nNone? Then in no scenario could they possibly have free will at all.\nThe entire story, its premise and its conclusions are contradictory and directly opposed to any logical conception of free will."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>You don't even need to remove the tree or the serpent from the garden to imagine a different outcome, the central hinge point of the entire story is that Eve is \"deceived\", deceived as in, not given full information on the ramifications of her choices.\nWhat? I'm confounded by your definition of \"deceive.\" So who deceived Eve, according to you? God, or the serpent?\n>If they can't have further knowledge of the consequences of their sin, because that knowledge comes from the tree, then what knowledge do they possess initially.\nGod already informed them of the consequences of their sin; it didn't come from the tree. God told them that if they ate from the tree, they would die."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>If put in the same position as Adam and Eve, they *would've.* That's basically original sin 101.\n\nThen it's God's fault isn't it? He deliberately create guillible beings that will 100% do the wrong thing in his eyes"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Then it's God's fault isn't it? He deliberately create guillible beings that will 100% do the wrong thing in his eyes\nHe didn't deliberately create them to be gullible. He created them to possess free will. God doesn't want thoughtless automatons forced to serve him, he wants friends."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\n>The Bible states that all humans have fallen short of God's perfection. So yes, yes they have.\n\nBut it also says that Jesus died so God could forgive humanity DESPITE our shortcomings?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYes. I was talking about the Fall, though."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>What? I'm confounded by your definition of \"deceive.\" So who deceived Eve, according to you? God, or the serpent?\nAre you even familiar with the story? There are multiple passages that mention the serpent tricked and deceived, but just take Genesis 3:13 and 1 Timothy 2:14 as examples, if you're denying that there was a deception I can't imagine you're very bible literate at all.\n>God already informed them of the consequences of their sin; it didn't come from the tree. God told them that if they ate from the tree, they would die.\nAgain, that's clearly not the full story though. If they were fully aware of the consequences and not the vague warning God gave them (which they wouldn't have ever been possibly able to fully understand or comprehend, because they hadn't ate from the tree of knowledge, an inherent contradiction in the story) I cannot imagine them still being tricked by the serpent into eating it.\nFor Adam & Eve to know what sin and death are in the first place they had to eat from the tree, there is obviously no amount of free will in their actions."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>He didn't deliberately create them to be gullible\n\nThey didn't have knowledge of good and evil and 0 prior experience, how is that not guillible?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nSo the fall is irrelevant now? But the world remains fallen?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>27\nDude, this shit has been ongoing for approximately 2000 years. You also clearly haven't read anything on it. If you want to just ragespew your bullshit onto the internet go and do it on Twitter, or /b/."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat would you prefer to watch on tv, comedies and dramas or some enya video?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>Are you even familiar with the story?\nI am. You defined \"deceive\" as Eve being withheld information. But that's not what the serpent did. The serpent fed her FALSE information.4\n>Again, that's clearly not the full story though. If they were fully aware of the consequences and not the vague warning God gave them (which they wouldn't have ever been possibly able to fully understand or comprehend, because they hadn't ate from the tree of knowledge, an inherent contradiction in the story) I cannot imagine them still being tricked by the serpent into eating it.\nThey still had the free will to willingly obey or disobey God in that instance where they didn't before. So whether they knew the \"full consequences\" or not doesn't negate the fact that they were presented with an option that they had full discretion to obey or disobey.\n>For Adam & Eve to know what sin and death are in the first place they had to eat from the tree,\nThey already knew what sin was. Sin is defined as disobedience to God. They clearly knew it was in their best interests to obey God, else Eve wouldn't have hesitated against the serpent, or Adam wouldn't have initially rebuked Eve for bringing him the fruit. And how do you know they didn't know what death was?\n\n>>37\nThey had the free will to choose obedience or disobedience."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\nCounterpoint: Hitler"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nThey didn't know what was good or evil before eating. They didn't know that disobedience was bad.\nWhat's more likely is that God had intended them to disobey and seek forgiveness. He didn't want to give them from the tree of life because they weren't ready."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nDid they have the free will to obey or disobey God - yes or no? Simple question."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod doesn't do things that are evil and creating something contradictory would be evil since that would involve him contradicting his own actions."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\n>They had the free will to choose obedience or disobedience.\n\nAre children as accountable as grown adults?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nAbout that\n\n>7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nWrong, Hitler is proof Aryans are God's chosen people and God hates Jews"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nYes, but they really had no criterion for choosing. In a way it was a freer state than now."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere's no point to life without free will, you don't learn nor mature anything"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\nHitler was in the garden of Eden?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>29\n>No, it isn't. It doesn't necessarily follow that just because you're all-powerful, it means you can do anything - even logically incoherent things. If I'm wrong, then prove it.\nChristcucks playing word games will never cease to amaze me. If there is something that you do not have the power (see: ability, capability, capacity, potential, etc) to do, then clearly you lack the power to do that thing and therefore are not all-powerful.\n\nUnless you want to say that something created than God created the rules of logic that he abides by...."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did blacks never move to the Southwest US in large numbers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome did after WWII to find work. But there weren't as many factory jobs as in the Midwest and East"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it was government policy to ship the North not West"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey weren't \"shipped\" anywhere."}, {"id": 5, "content": "The Southwest, outside of California, never had strong welfare programs. Corruption attracted blacks because it was the corrupt political machines that bought them off to vote for them. You can't have massive corruption with a low population"}, {"id": 6, "content": "During the Great Migration some of them ended up in California, especially from Louisiana and Texas, but Arizona and New Mexico were fairly undeveloped until recent times, without many jobs and Hispanics holding down the blue collar niche that blacks might fill."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nblacks didn't go to california until FDR allowed US federal contractors in the 40's hire blacks\n\nthat's when compton went from a sleepy white farming town to a ghetto"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI was just reading a biography of Jelly Roll Morton and there were New Orleans jazzmen going to LA in the early 1900s, with enough of a black community there to support them. They were also picking cotton in the Central Valley alongside hillbillies and Mexicans, but yes, the war industries and general California boom attracted a lot of black migration."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nThe southwest is a desert. There's a reason people didn't move there until modern transportation and air conditioning"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nDie from what?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's really awful there."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nI mean, musicians travelled, that was kind of and still is their thing"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are definitely blacks there. I think Colorado has some of the highest interracial (black/white) married couples. Whenever I’ve gone there every black woman I’ve come across was with a white guy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbut also what does AA mean in this context? descendants of US slaves? because a lot of the blacks in nyc are not AA but tick that (or latino) in the census. same for florida with haitians and jamaicans and maryland with nigerians"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>compton went from a sleepy white farming town to a ghetto\nThe racial transformations of the Los Angeles region are remarkable. Two U.S. presidents, Bush senior and junior, once called Compton home, then the area became the largest black community west of Chicago but is now majority Hispanic. It’s an unwritten story how California blacks are being Great Replaced and all the goofy talk of reparations is just an empty promise to placate them as they’re swamped by immigration."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nunfortunately, they aren't being \"replaced\". They are being displaced, and for completely economic reasons the new communities they are foisted upon immediately start experiencing the same general problems of criminality and dysfunction as the previous communities occuped by these youths. What an unlucky people, to have Gun Violence, Unemployment and Theft follow them wherever they go"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nFrom each other, mostly..."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nMexican drug lords don't like how uppity and retarded and unpredictable blacks are, simple as. It's a testament to California's corruption and lack of immigration policies that mexican drug lords are making ethnographic decisions in the US\n\nIn a few more decades it's going to be mexico 2"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did they just are more concentrated into large cities like Phoenix and Los Angeles."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nkek it’s funny you say this because california blacks are the most racemixing blacks of all. they act as though marrying a non black is a right of passage to the point it’s common for other blacks in the country to joke about it. la is just blaxicans and mulattos and the rest of the state is blasians. the blacks there will be replaced by their own biracial offspring who almost always marry white."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>kek it’s funny you say this because california blacks are the most racemixing blacks of all.\nIt's a good time for white guys who like brown sugar."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm just going to say the L.A great replacement of neighborhoods in under a decade is real. My father used to go to LA on bussines and one time a previously pretty mixed relatively white nexican neighborhood became ALL blacks 100% took a few years at most. Heard that similar shit has happened to mexicans with chinks and with whites and mexicans and so on. What an abhorrent ethnic goulash."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nProbably going to be SEA-chinkystan two more like."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nAnd herpes"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nWhites have lived there since 1850.\n>>10\nscarcity"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>7\n>that's when compton went from a sleepy white farming town to a ghetto\n\nnow it's mostly Mexican!"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n>Mexican drug lords don't like how uppity and retarded and unpredictable blacks are, simple as\nYou do know that cleasing article was ages back and the killers were arrested?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\nThe Aouthwest has pretty bad corruption though."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\n>In a few more decades it's going to be mexico 2\nYou said that a few decades ago."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nIt's shit now, but imagine how shit it would be if white people weren't still running everything of importance"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI thought Jews were running everything of importance"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nJewish culture shuns actually doing anything of value for society, that doesn't mean they don't covet positions of power"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nIn that post \"White\" includes Jews and discount Whites."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>15\nUSA needs an endless stream of immigration to keep its broken economy alive at this point.\n\nEuropean countries also do, but they get the dregs from the third world instead. Its no surprise that EU countries as a share of world GDP have been declining since 08."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nNah, the illegals are so that they can use them as a slave caste, because we know it's not because they pay any taxes\n\nAlso implying mexico isn't a third world shithole"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>>33\nGot 'em"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nMexico is better than it was 30 years ago and most of those people are at least quasi-western. Europeans get gooks and Arab suicide bombers who hate Christendom."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThe only thing spics ever say is their only quality is that they're a backwards Catholics state. Guess what? The US hates Catholics. The US is protestant, Liberalism is a protestant belief system. You know what Catholics made? Communism, Communism and backwards countries full of brown people that cut off each other's faces while they're still alive"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>you're wrong because I hate Mexicans\nBetter a drunk day laborer than a polar opposite of Western society."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\ni can't imagine anything more alien that a shitskin larping as a westerner"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>muh Catholics\nAmerica has more crime (per capita) than many of the South American Catholic nations, and let's not even compare with Catholic Europe. You dumb larper. Just say you hate Mexicans it would be more honest."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nShitakins have been westernized for centuries at this point lol. You are nothing special."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>34\n>EU countries as a share of world GDP have been declining since 08.\nThat's because the EU refuses to be competitive and prefers just passing regulation after regulation and attaching weak states to itself by overexpanding."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\n>Christendom\nEuros hate Christanity outside of using it for political aims."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nThen why haven't they done anything relevant?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_inventions_and_discoveries"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\n>western = muh skin\nStupid /pol/tranny"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nMarx wasn't Catholic you retarded faggot."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>a bunch of pictures of stones, a piñata and a tortilla\nwow... very... relevant"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nsocialism is catholic"}, {"id": 51, "content": "Well, early on blacks were pretty dependent on the federal government protecting them from abusive state and local authorities particularly in the south, where in the aftermath of the Civil War, the KKK ran rampant terrorizing local black populations. You might think this would scare the blacks away from the south, and it did some of them, but in general anywhere they went they found themselves unwelcome. So really they were better off sticking in places with a lot of their own people. Safety in numbers. They also seemed keen to stay in places under the watchful eye of the feds, so many moved to Washington DC and the surrounding areas, if they did uproot from the south.\n\nThe biggest migration north only really happened cause of the lure of factory work with good pay. The northerners were hungry for workers and willing to hire negroes and pay them a fair wage, so many black families packed up and moved en masse, creating new black enclaves in rust belt cities and in New England. These areas, while less populated with blacks and thus riskier for them to move into, were still fairly close to the center of federal power.\n\nThe west though, was largely beyond the reach of the feds. They had US Marshals providing nominal presence, but for the most part they'd be at the mercy of state governors and local sheriffs, and even these would often be distant authority figures not readily on hand to save them from hostile white neighbors, nearly all of whom were armed."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nIt's not."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nLeaving aside the Native American stuff, the foods and fashion (who cares?) and the meme inventions, all of this was discovered in modern Mexico which seems pretty relevant.\n\n>Coin lathe machine\n>Flattop Grill\n>Modern flushing toilet mechanism\n>Patio process for removing silver from ore\n>Vanadium chemical element discovery\n>Ursolic acid discovery\n>Continuous-flow intersections\n>Earthquake Resistant Foundations\n>Sponge iron reaction\n>Scorpion antivenom\n>Oral contraceptive pills\n>Dynamic breaking\n>Jetpacks\n>First color TV transmission\n>Mousepad\n>GNOME\n>X-ray microscope\n>Election ink\n>Typhus vaccine\n>Recombinant DNA molecule discovery\n>Ozone depletion discovery\n>Herbig–Haro objects (astronomy)"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nNone of that matters because I hate spics."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nok"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nit is, catholics couldn't cope with being so far behind the UK so they created socialism and communism to try and jumpstart their societies and ended up created societal cancer.\n\nIt's a shame latin america wasn't colonized by protestants, maybe then they wouldn't be so irrelevant."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nProtestants would make it worse arguably or not change anything."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nyeah that's what a beaner would say"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nAll of that matters because I love spics."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nDid you fall off a time portal from 1910?\nThe argument is that socialism was created by Jews. Engels was fucking calvinist."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nLet's check up on the famous powerhouses colonized by protestants in Suriname and Guyana. Or Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica (in the top ten of the highest crime rates).\nAnd of course, who can forget the African powerhouse of Zimbabwe (69% protestant)."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nCatholics created socialism, Jews turned it into ethnic nationalism because they couldn't be asked to actually work for a living"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>eating beans is le bad"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nName the catholic who specifically created socialism. I know you are probably talking about utopians."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>58\nExactly what a corner or a wheater would say.\nMaybe a barleyer."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nThe entire premise of socialism is utopian because it doesn't work, that's why philosophies were called Utopian because it's a complete fantasy. fucking moron"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nfuck off if you don't even know what you re talking about."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>brown person\n>thinks he even has the latent IQ to understand western philosophy\n>mad because nobody cares about pinatas\ncope"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nI am speaking about utopian socialism, the current from the 1700s. But I overestimated American intellect.\nAgain show the catholic who created socialism. Name him."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nWhites don't even have the highest IQ. Why do fucking faggots you sperg about it so much?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nIt's kind of a weird spin-off. See the IQ thing is most relevant when shitting on blacks but because of how much they shit on blacks it also got included in other arguments they use or make."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\n>I am speaking about utopian socialism\nYou realize utopian socialism and socialism are the same thing right?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>80 IQ beaners pretend to be smart\n>they actually can't even contemplate how they're obviously displaying stupid\n>wtf bro intelligence is a meme"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>69\n1700s and early 1800s mind you."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nYeah, I do? It's a sub current I was talking about but besides, catholic creator (or creators) of socialism, give me their names. Point out one."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nYour meme arrows didn't answer my question"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nSee the problem with spics is they don't know when to shut up when they have nothing to say"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nYou did not answer his question, pretending anything was settled doesn't either. Mr third rate conman."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nAnd who brought up or said they were Hispanic in this thread, please make this conversation make sense."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nIt's pretty easy to identify spics because they get really butthurt because of their massive inferiority complexes"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nSeems like an incredibly inefficient way to guess someone's race, but at least that makes sense now."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nI wasn't trying to identify anything, spics get butthurt when they hear the truth"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nAnd the convo doesn't make sense again. Last reply"}, {"id": 84, "content": "There's a pretty big black population in South Phoenix. My wife is black and from the South side. More Mexicans obv. but in many schools there's more black than there are white. Lots of good folks out that way I like the South side."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\n>the convo doesn't make sense\nSpics always try to pretend like they're not worthless because they practice a rapidly deteriorating branch of Christianity. When that may work on /pol/ it doesn't work on /his/ where the topic is actual historical relevance"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nDude you are spitting dumb shit you actually can't grasp. You failed at making a point."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it a matter of providing support? Is it an aesthetic thing? Shit looks cool in an alien sort of way"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Romans were building aqueducts 1 000 years prior to this shitheap"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnd Egyptians were building pyramids 2000 years before Romans built aqueducts"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYea, ancient Egyptians were cool"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Do these adobe mound buildings have rooms in them or are they solid?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThat isn’t an answer to my question."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou can literally see an entrance on the one on OP's pic"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThis building looks pretty good."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo people can reapply the mud over the walls with ease."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nOrgrimmar....home"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame logic behind reinforced concrete. Mud is strong in compression and stick is strong in tension"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nEgyptians are not \"africans\" they colonized Africa but originated in West Asia, they are genetically closer to Finns than to you."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nno they did not."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSerious talk, where there any two story buildings in pre-colonial sub saharan Africa?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nthat is not serious talk."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nYou can see the entrance to a brick building. It doesn't really imply anything about the minaret.\nThere are windows visible in other photos though, so it's clearly not a solid mount of mud."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nnice copium retard"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nYes, but recorded african history is tied hand-in-hand with contact with other cultures, so it's hard to tell what influences came from where. This doesn't really discredit it because no European architecture was constructed in a vacuum, but it's worth noting. Pic is Madagascar."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWhen was this built?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Prevents some cracking and cross lateral support so the walls can’t easily fall inward or outward easily."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThe site was a compound of buildings since the 1600s, but reconstructed into one large palace in the early 1800s. Used as the royal palace until the French colonialization in 1895. Currently under deconstruction because it burned down in 1997, some progress has been made by UNESCO and France donated a ton of money and it got embezzled."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHow does a mid building burn down? Or is this one made out of something else?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt makes a composite structure more resilient to stress. It’s like how there are steel girders embedded in western concrete pillars.\n\n>> /sci/"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>>19\n>>21\nThe palace was built in the 19th century\nRight before the French colonized, the rulers of Madagascar tried to modernize and it ended up killing millions"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\n>>21\n>>24\nIt was built by this guy.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cameron_(missionary)\n\nThe whole city was full of European buildings. They were trying to modernize half a century before the Japanese, but it was a massive failure because they tried to use unpaid forced labour for everything."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nIt was stone brick, by so was Notre Dame Cathedral. Supports burning and high temps can ruin any building."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe council in place of reconstructing it is reconstructing it, even after stealing a ton of money, but they also want to make a concrete replica of the Roman Coliseum, which i find hilarious. The natives hate the idea, so time will tell if Madagascar gets a coliseum or not."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>12\n>Egyptians are not \"africans\""}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nGlad you think Whites are native to Africa\nGib colonies"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\nAudibly kek'd"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nWhites aren't even native to Europe."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThey are.\n\nKeep coping subhuman"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nlmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is baathism just national socialism for arabic peoples?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs it was originally formulated, it was basically Marxism with a focus on Arabs and with less hostility towards religion. Michel Aflaq was openly a materialist socialist, he just limited his analysis to the Arab World and said that religion is generally a good thing, although he insisted that religion should flourish without any one sect controlling society. If you want to know more about his ideas, some of what he wrote has been translated here:\nhttp://albaath.online.fr/English/index-English.htm\nSaddam Hussein, though officially a Baathist, later incorporated non-Baathist ideas into his political ideology (see: the Faith Campaign). Syrian Baathism, currently led by Bashar al-Assad, has remained more orthodox in that regard."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's third positionist."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, that’s why Jews and fanatics hated it"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Is it true that Michel Aflaq converted to Islam before he died, or did Saddam just make that shit up?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does German nationalism cause so much seething? It's like at the mere mention of it a wave of resentment arrives.\n\nIs the idea that Germany has brought something unique and special to the world abrasive to Anglos?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Anglos don‘t want to be reminded that they sacrificed their Empire and Nation, as well as doomed the Empires and Nations of the entire West, to defeat a Nation, who was obsessed with being their ally and obsessed with defeating communism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis has to do with jealousy and the competition to build states within a land that has scarce resources.\n\nAt the height of erhnic German habitation in Europe, circa 1914, Germans numbered over 80 million people. Many of these people lived in a compact, square shaped boundary which you can see as Germany’s borders during the third reich, but many also lived in various countries throughout eastern europe, heavily influencing their politics, economies, and cultures. Germans also expoused some of Europes highest culture and greatest achievers. During the industrial revolution, Germany industrialized more than any of its neighbors; this briught orders of magnitude more wealth, modernity, and technological innovation.\n\nAll of this unsurprisingly lead to lots of resentment and hate towards Germany throughout europe, especially by Germany’s eastern neighbors whose countries were filled with germans; germans who often recieved the treasures and wealth of germany proper long before the rest of the population gained access to them.\n\nAfter Germany invaded most of its neighbors during WWII, and was then soundly defeated, there were purges throughout Europe of the germans. The REAL holocaust, the greatest genocide of the WWII era, happened to the germans. Millions of them were driven out of eastern europe or were simply slaughtered and looted. When people saw that looting the treasure and killing the golden goose of technological innovation and wealth creation didnt make them happy, and didnt alleviate their poverty in any way, the anti-German sentiment wilted down eventually to modern levels. Anti german hate is now people shrugging while saying\n>fuck the germans they hog up sheeeit in da EU! Give more gibs?\nBut they dont feel so angry any more. The hate isnt there. They know the truth more or less, and hating germans wont help them.\n\nTLDR germany was the biggest, strongest wealthiest, modern country in Europe in the early 20th century and it made people envious"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermans were known as a violent and brutish, but yet industrious, people, ever since Roman times.\nGetting them all together in one big united front? Scary to everyone else. Can't blame them really."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not German and don't have a lick of German blood (but I am half-Danish), and wish to see Germany become Great Again (not in the Nazi sense. Just healthy pride and sovereignty and lively culture). I'm American, but the last thing I want is to see European nations become cucked vassals to this country. It's sad to see."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n8/10; convincing and high effort bait."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>germans were the bestest guys every, we are the smartest, and most industrial\n>which is why we had to invade every neighbour and steal all their resources and labor which then caused those states to massacre/expel native germans who worked with the nazis and their eastern neighbours did this because they were so jealous of German success after Germans invaded their nation."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\n>Pic related\nWhat's the purpose of insulting me? I just said myself that I don't even like America's role in the world. I wish the same sovereignty and preservation of your own people as I do Germany. I wish a world where US war machine and capitalism isn't cucking everyone to US interests.\nIf you still want to argue, I guess you're a masochist and enjoy it. All I want is for you and Germany alike to be left the hell alone."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI just find it cringe when Mongs/mutts like you flaunt their \"whiteness\" and talk about Europe. You are a new world mong and should not be concerned with affairs of people an ocean away."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI'm not flaunting my whiteness at all. I said it to say I AM NOT German.\nI am on a history board. I love learning about different regions. It'd be a shame to see everyone waste away and just be reshaped on Disney films and goyslop. That's not culture. Not for you. Not for Germans. Not for Koreans. Not for Argentines. Not for Russians. It's fucking ugly and an a-historical, cultureless vision of the world. They just want you to all to be identity-less, genderless, spiritual-less, culture-less husks. They want to destroy all your mom and pop businesses and plant wal-marts on every corner, like they do here. They want you enslaved to usury, to indoctrinate you entirely in governmental systems, to hate the idea of parents even.. let alone bigger family."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause it usually ends in the rape of a couple of million german women. stop doing it to yourselves."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\nShut the fuck up, seething Germshit. You were in no way special, and you got what was coming to you after 1945."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nThis."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nWhat makes you think you can talk down americans when americans own your shitty irrelevant country though?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nThis guy is Russian btw, you're all responding to low quality bait."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nGermans never invaded anyone.\n>HRE: 1000 years of peace\n>1870: Invasion of Germany by hatefull French due to Prussians BTFOing Napoleon\n>1914: Serbs, Germany just honourably defended its ally, did nothing wrong. Brits tried to destroy them for no reason after supporting their DoW against Serbs before.\n>1939: Only real goal was to stop Jewish Bolshevik communists (who were sponsoring violent revolutions in German) and unite Germanic people. Victory was achieved at a cost. Long term victory in the EU.\n\nThe only valuable resource in the world is Germanic blood. That is also why the US is so rich and prosperous.\n\nJust look up lists of national GDP per capita. Resources are utterly irrelevant, even landlocked, resource poor Switzerland BTFOs shitholes like Russia which has all the natural resources in the world yet manages to have Nigeria with snow status."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPart of it are papists still seething that the Protestant Germany was victorious in the Thirty Years War and eventually coming to dominate all of Germany and central Europe."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\n>Retard thinks that the Left Wing people who generally disdain nationalism as a whole will give a shit about the British Empire"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Thirty Years War\nLiterally the worst war in European history which set us back a full century and Swedes are still seething that they could never conquer us.\n\nAll this heathenry you faggots are still defending is not even based on real Christianity, but literally a mistranslation of a Jewish \"Bible\" that was written 200 years after the original Christian European Bible.\n\nYou still fall for Jewish tricks to this day. Most Prots literally cannot tell you why the OT and the old covenant are invalid, they never even read that far."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nThey do not? And you don't know where I am from you retard."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>Victory was achieved at a cost. Long term victory in the EU.\n\nLol, no it wasn't you dumb fuck. Germshits have lost WW2, and EU is not under Krautnig control."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nUSA was built by a multitude of different nations you tard. Fuck you irrelevant germs."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>EU is not under Krautnig control\nCope."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>USA was built by a multitude of different nations you tard\nSo? Only the British (Adolf's favourites) matter as they established it and the 1870 immigration act literally banned non-Germanics from immigrating.\n\nDid you forget that Anglos are Germanic or something?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nNo, it's not you dumb fuck.\n>>24\n>870 immigration act literally banned non-Germanics from immigrating.\n\nIt didn't, you retard."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\nextremely accurate beyond reproach\nt. repatriated russia german"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause people from 90 years ago did things other countries didn't like so that got fixed and now germans piss sitting down."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably because it resulted in the deaths of millions of people, including many germans"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCause the Germans chimped out like violent niggers."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>3\nThis will make some people upset, but it's 100% true."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nLiving with the chimps of the world that are non-Germans should always infuriate an intellectual people"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nthen why are german emigres more civil than the german state"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is bad geography the only reason behind this phenomenon?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes\n>Country is all plains\n>Germans to the west\n>Russians in the east\n>Turks to the south\n>Swedes to the north (while they were influential)\n\nCoincidentally, most Island nations seem to do really well historically due to their free defence against invasion."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nPoor Ireland."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthey only lost to an even bigger island"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPre Saxon invasion they used to raid Britain and capture people and enslave them, st Patrick being the most famous person they enslaved so it's not always like that the size of the land means nothing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUkrainian disagree."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>Coincidentally, most Island nations seem to do really well historically due to their free defence against invasion.\nSure, until the Vikings happened, then suddenly it wasn't so great. I think the only country that got raped harder by the Vikings than England was Ireland."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are depicted gods inherently self-defeating?\n>Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made. (Isaiah 2:8)\nMy best response would be that depicted deities would necessarily possess abstract roots, i.e the same as a god of aniconists"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsaiah 2:8 is wrong. They don't \"worship the work of their own hands\", just like the Catholics don't worship Mary's statues or Orthodox don't worship Jesus' icon.\nThe arguments that Christians use to defend their use of icons and statues were taken from the pagans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>The arguments that Christians use to defend their use of icons and statues were taken from the pagans.\nWhat were they?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>The arguments that Christians use to defend their use of icons and statues were taken from the pagans.\nno they weren't. The actual statues were worshipped and to an extent considered to be individual, independent gods"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI don't have the sources at hand, but I do know that Proclus made a distinction between symbols and \"synthema\" in his book \"Platonic Theology\". He viewed symbols as a vessel to convey truth, but not necessarily ontological truth. In other words, the statue of a goddess might not be the goddess herself, but what the statue represents is true nonetheless.\nThis basic idea was used by the Christians. They claimed that there's nothing holy about an icon. It's the truth behind the icon that matters.\n>>4\nThat might have been the case for a time, but pagan theology evolves, unlike Abrahamic theology. The truth of the matter is that by the time of the pre-Socratic philosophers (6th century BCE), statues were respected but not worshipped as literal gods. All pre- and post-Socratic philosophers and theologians dispute you."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe idea of giving something abstract a \"vessel\" is very interesting to me, but wouldnt that be cause to believe in its divinity?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>The idea of giving something abstract a \"vessel\" is very interesting to me\nWe do it all the time. Let me give you an example. Do you believe the concept of Liberty is real? I would say yes, it is. There are people who live free, and there are people who are not free. The concept of Liberty is real, even if it's abstract and hard to define. Actually, the fact that the concept of Liberty is so hard to define is what led people to construct the statue of Liberty in New York. The statue of Liberty in New York is a representation -an anthropomorphization- of Liberty. Liberty is not a woman. Liberty don't have a body, or hands, and she's not holding a book or a torch. These are all symbols that humans use to depict the concept of Liberty. The fact that Liberty is not a woman holding a book doesn't mean that Liberty -as a concept- is not real.\n>but wouldnt that be cause to believe in its divinity?\nWell, this is tricky. Unfortunately, it is impossible for me to answer this question without first defining what \"divinity\" is. The Greek word for god is \"theos\", and this word has very specific meanings. \"Theos\" is an epithet, and it basically means \"order generating\". Therefore, a god is that which creates order amidst the chaos.\nIs goddess Athena divine? Yes. She is divine not because there's a female warrior living on top of mount Olympus, but rather because everything Athena represents is an order-generating force that brings order in the cosmos. By the way, this is how Proclus defined the gods. Thinking that pagans viewed the gods as human-like figures living on mount Olympus is ignorant."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>\"Theos\" is an epithet, and it basically means \"order generating\". Therefore, a god is that which creates order amidst the chaos.\n\ndʰéh1s, from *dʰeh1- (“to do, to put, to place”).\n\nYou are a extrapolating a lot.\n\nAnd no, decontructionist philosophers like were made fun of at the time.\nThe most famous criticism is about how ancient greeks were now worshipping \"The Whirldwind\", and not actually a guy called Zeus."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nman youre unironically so cool and likable\n>anthropomorphization- of Liberty\nBut anthropomorphizing something abstract as liberty is overtly cohesive with the neoplatonic stance youre taking, about which I believe in 2 common exceptions existing: for example, what about zeus? He literally is supposed to be the sky, totally non-abstract, a real thing, how does that fit into the necessarily abstract neoplatonic system? How can the sky, which is purely material have a symbolic, i.e abstract essence? One which is real (i.e universal) and not particular or nominal? Then there's a second type of exception to the consistency of this rule: IIRC most names of greek deities were in itself abstract to religious practicioners, many of them dont even have coherent indo-european etymologies (according to walter burkert for example), therefore they have such unique personalities, but then what exactly do they represent? How can they even be symbolized? They are so non-abstract, that in anthropomorphizing them, they become incomprehensively abstract to neoplatonism, don't they? They are borderline real people, so how can they be authentically real and universal? What distinguishes deities so specific from, say, Christ?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "[1/2]\n>>8\n>dʰéh1s, from *dʰeh1- (“to do, to put, to place”).\nPlace what? Do what? Put what? Order.\nBy the way, I'm not talking about deus, I'm talking about theos.\nEven by the definition of deus that you provided, the fact remains that deus/theos is best understood as \"movement\" and/or \"order generating\". I don't have the quote at hand, but there's a quote from a Hellenic philosopher who literally says \"gods dictate order\" (τάξιν θέντες ειν' οι θεοί). It might have been Proclus or Plethon, I can't remember.\n>>9\nI'm not sure what you mean exactly. Your reply is definitely complex. But I feel the need to say that I'm not a platonist and I don't agree with all of Plato's or Proclus' views. I also do not fully agree with Plato's ideas of Forms or the \"realm of abstracts\". The reason I mentioned Proclus was to show that Greek religiosity has always been philosophical and logical, as opposed to primitive and illogical."}, {"id": 11, "content": "[2/2]\n>>9\n>They are borderline real people, so how can they be authentically real and universal?\nThey are real and universal in the same sense that Liberty, Justice, Truth, etc, are real and universal, regardless of how we choose to depict or anthropomorphosize these concepts on paintings or statues. This is why Hellenists are not ideolaters; they do not worship idols or statues at all. They are also not dodekatheists because they do not believe in twelve gods. The number of the Olymbian gods is symbolic. When Proclus was asked \"how many gods are there\", he responded by saying \"as many as the ontic operations of the cosmos\". In other words, the gods are exactly as many as the forces that the cosmos needs in order to exist.\nThe twelve gods of Olympus were created organically by Greeks (like all natural religions) to convey theological truth that was otherwise impossible to convey. The Greeks used the twelve gods to depict concepts that they deemed very important; concepts such Power, Love, Wisdom, Health, Death, etc. Through this complex system of symbols, the common man was able to understand difficult concepts about life. Take for example the story of Athena's birth. Athenas was born fully-grown out of Zeus' head after Zeus swallowed Metis who was pregnant. From Zeus' head (which is a symbol for nous/intellect) Athena (Wisdom) emerges. This is just a small, almost silly example of the complexity of Greek mythology, but I hope it demonstrates my point.\nJust to be clear, a woman-like figure named Athena never emerged from a guy's head named Zeus. This is all symbolism, which nonetheless conveys truth."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nSimplification of my post:\n\nexample 1\n>Be god of anger\n>Named angerman\n>Be portrayed as red\n>abstraction of: anger (obviously)\n\nexample 2\n>Be god of x, y and z\n>Named terry\n>be symbolized by hat, shoes and mustache\n>abstraction of: ???\n\nexample 3\n>be god of sun\n>named sunman\n>symbolized by sunrays\n>abstraction of: ???\n\nThe first example is in itself an abstraction, it requires things like anthropomorphization, the latter 2 make less sense in that regard"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI think I understand, thanks for the follow-up.\nSo, if I understand correctly, you're basically saying that it's not clear what Zeus is an abstract of. Well, I don't think Zeus (or any of the twelve gods) is merely an abstraction. They are symbols that contain multiple abstractions which are sometimes not clearly defined. This is to be expected when dealing with systems/religions which grow organically and evolve over time.\nAnother thing to keep in mind is that Zeus -as a symbol- is not merely defined by his physical attributes, but also by his relationship to other gods/symbols. Symbols by themselves are almost useless. This is why the early Greeks developed (organically) stories and mythologies which provide a certain amount of movement and energy to the symbols. In other words, Zeus' utility is not just as a human-like figure that represents nous, but his utility is also derived from his relationship to the other gods/symbols. Thus, we see nous interact with wisdom, or death interact with love, or war interact with courage.\nA question someone might ask is \"why would anyone care for all of that? Why do I care about Greek mythology if it's just symbolism?\". Well, you shouldn't care if you don't want to. Hellenists, however, do care. We care because this complex system was created by our ancestors, and it contains a lot of codified wisdom and truth which we can unlock. Hellenism is a system created organically by Greeks, and it is meant to be consumed by Greeks. There's no desire to enforce it on other or proselytize others. We view the cosmos in a certain way and we believe this helps us become better. If it doesn't, then we will perish."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\ncont. Another way of looking at it is like letters. A letter is a symbol whereas a mythology is an essay. Letters interact with other letters, they are combined harmoniously with other letters, and the end-result is meaning."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nOne final follow up:\nHow would a hellenist respond to someone denouncing zeus and worshiping the actual sky instead?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBefore I respond I should say that atheism -in the conventional sense- is almost impossible from a Hellenic point of view. We define the divine in such an obviously logical way that makes atheism (the believe that there's no theos) almost impossible. This is why we are sometimes accused of being atheists ourselves. People accuse us of \"not being real pagans\" because we define the divine philosophically/scientifically instead of mystically/supernaturally.\n>How would a hellenist respond to someone denouncing zeus and worshiping the actual sky instead?\nI personally do not care what non-Hellenists do. Now, if a Hellenist decided to denounce Zeus as false and instead choose to worship the sky instead, then I would be very confused. Our worship is not similar to Abrahamic worship. We do not worship gods in order to gain their favor. Of course, ancient Hellenists used to do that, but our understanding of the divine has since evolved. Instead, we worship the gods for various other reasons. For example, we wish to continue our ancient traditions given to us by our ancestors. We also wish to align ourselves with the divine in order to become divine ourselves (to the degree that this is possible). Man is an animal stretched between beast and god. Through worship and philosophy we realign and redirect ourselves towards the divine.\nHaving said all that, what reason does a Hellenist have to denounce Zeus? Are the ontological, cosmic forces that Zeus represents false? What benefit is there to worshipping the sky instead? I think none.\nDenouncing Zeus and worshiping the sky instead is like saying \"im going to denounce Liberty and worship freedom of speech instead\". Liberty is so much more complex than just \"freedom of speech\". Hopefully, that makes sense.\n\nAnyway, thanks for the awesome questions. I hope you die happy, friend."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Denouncing Zeus and worshiping the sky instead is like saying \"im going to denounce Liberty and worship freedom of speech instead\".\nNot really, Zeus is supposed to be the sky, he is the sky god afterall, so why not worship the sky itself? If he's not the actual sky, maybe Zeus is an imposter?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Are depicted gods inherently self-defeating?\nHow...exactly?\n\nMost Pagans didn't believe their deities to be omniscient & omnipotent. They have limitation and some of them fucking even get killed."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nSo what makes them better than humans?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nI believe that is a misconception stemming from the idea of proto-Indo-European migration and invasion into the European continent. I don't have strong opinion about it, but I will say that Zeus is not merely the \"sky god\" or \"sky father\", and he's certainly not the sky. Zeus is a complex symbol, and his mythological relationships with other deities make him even more complex. Ditching all of that complexity in order to worship the sky is nonsensical to me. Worshiping the sky only makes sense if you think the sky is conscious and is going to reward you for your devotion. However, this is not the hellenic idea of worship, as I have already explained above."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThey're cosmic forces that can affect the universe around them."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHumans can affect the universe around them"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\n...im sorry, do Abrahamics actually need this explained to them? This is like watching a bunch of toddlers in awe upon the realization that it's a photo and not a real person"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>low IQ savages think pic related is disgusting and smashing it means defeating the God itself\nFucking retards"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\n>We do not worship gods in order to gain their favor. Of course, ancient Hellenists used to do that, but our understanding of the divine has since evolved. Instead, we worship the gods for various other reasons. For example, we wish to continue our ancient traditions given to us by our ancestors. We also wish to align ourselves with the divine in order to become divine ourselves (to the degree that this is possible).\nWhich Hellenist group are you in if you are?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif you want to read a defense of depictions of the divine written by genuine ancient Egyptians, check out the Perfect Discourse of Hermes Trismegistus, a.k.a. The Asclepios"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nI will not mention my local group because I do not wish to dox myself. But I will say that I am loosely affiliated with YSEE."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo some extent, this line of argument is just anti-pagan propaganda.\n>“Look at those idiots! They worship statues!”\nPagans kinda knew their “gods” were not the statues that men built, but it was part of Judaic monotheism that you should not try to control God, and idols were a way pagans tried to control their gods and how worship was to be controlled."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nI ask because I’ve seen some weird shit about YSEE’s Rassias lying about a lot of historical facts on the ODEE.gr (They are Orthodox but some of their points about Rassia’s “a history of love” are valid).\nI haven’t heard of a Hellenic group I can really trust, but that might just be me."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nAlright. I can't meaningfully respond unless you give me some examples of Rassias' alleged lies or ODEE's accusations. A link will suffice.\nWhat I can say, however, is that modern Greek history is riddles with lies against the Hellenists. One small example is the excommunication and subsequent hunting and killing of Greek soldiers by the Orthodox patriarchate during the winter of 1805. During that winter, more than 5000 strong Greek soldiers died because they wouldn't bow down to their Christian overlords. It's important to know that the Orthodox Church demanded that all Greeks pay taxes. If any Greek refused to pay taxes to the Church, beatings, abductions and murder followed. These soldiers were excommunicated after their refusal to pay taxes to the Church, and they were driven onto the mountains were they perished during the harsh winter. Some of them were also murdered in ambushes set by their own (Christian) countrymen. This is a small example of the kind of harm that the Orthodox Church caused to the Greek people. Of course, this event (like many other similar events) is not mentioned in schools.\nPlethon is also not mentioned by our Christian overlords. And they also fail to mention the involvement of Christian monks and priests to the destruction of Greece during the invasion of Alaric I."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is a remnant of bicameralism."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made. (Isaiah 2:8)\n>instead, we should make a temple on the Temple Mount for an omnipresent god"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nhttps://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/sykofanties/ist_apatis1.htm\n\nHere is their answer for Rassia’s book. For the record I don’t want to speak against YSEE and certainly not over your faith. I just found this an interesting and I usually don’t go anywhere near that website. It has to be noted that both sides have engaged in bad faith arguments precisely because they repeat what their spiritual “leaders” have told them"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nThanks. I'm reading Rassias' book right now. It's very nice to see what others have to say about it.\nAfter a very quick first look of the website you sent me, I am not pleased with the \"refutations\" that they provide. For example, oodegr claims that it's impossible for pagan priests to exist in Northern Africa in 415 because they were hunted down in 399 by Iovius and Gaudentius. However, I don't really see this as a \"refutation\". The fact that two Christian fanatics hunt and kill pagan priests doesn't mean that all pagan priests were eliminated.\n\nJust for reference, here's what I'm responding to:\n>3) «399 Στη Βόρειο Αφρική οι διωγμήτες Ιόβιος και Γαυδέντιος θανατώνουν τους ιερείς».\n>4) «415 έδικτο απαιτεί να συλλαμβάνονται και να σταυρώνονται ή καίγονται ζωντανοί όλοι οι\nεθνικοί ιερείς της Βορείου Αφρικής».\n>Καλά, ακόμη υπήρχαν το 415 οι «τελευταίοι εθνικοί ιερείς» στην Βόρεια Αφρική; Δεν έκαναν καλά τη δουλειά τους οι «διωγμήτες» Ιόβιος και Γαυδέντιος το 399; Τι πήγαν να κάνουν εκεί, διακοπές; Δεκαέξι ολόκληρα χρόνια (399-415) και δεν τους αφάνισαν τους παγανιστές ιερείς. Είναι διασκεδαστική η αυτοαναίρεση των νεοπαγανιστικών ισχυρισμών. Φαίνεται πως οι αιμοχαρείς διωγμήτες (sic) Γαυδέντιος και Ιόβιος το 399 θανάτωσαν τους βορειοαφρικάνους ιερείς, αλλά μετά τους επανέφεραν στη ζωή, για να τους ξανασκοτώσουν!\n>https://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/diogmoi/antifaseis_rassia1.htm\n\nI hope the rest of the refutations are a bit more substantial than that. In any case, I don't trust Rassias' book. I don't see Rassias as a \"spiritual leader\", and I certainly don't trust him blindly. I'm merely searching for the truth. So, thank you for providing me with oodegr's website!"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIt’s been a long time since I read their refutations but you’re right, their point with regards to pagan priests in Northern Africa is beyond stupid. We know that pagan elements persisted well until 600 a.d. because local forces were either unwilling/unable to close the remaining pagan temples, etc.\nLike I said, take anything these guys write with a grain of salt. For example there is the shrine of Artemis Orthia where Spartan youths were whipped to see who is the strongest/to win a contest. While the myth itself is kind of brutal and savage, the practice of whipping Spartan boys “to make them stronger” (which would have been their rationale) is quite congruent with Spartan society."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nYeah, you're right. I take everything with a grain of salt, whether it's from oodegr or Rassias.\nSo, what's your relationship with Hellenism or your view of it?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nI’m Diaspora so I unfortunately have no ties to any Hellenist group. I do have a sympathy for Hellenism and I would have actively participated in it if given the chance. However as an eternal pessimist I find it’s hard to have faith in Gods and our connection to the Hellenes has sadly been completely severed.\nBut don’t let my pessimism discourage you in your path."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAlright. I do disagree with your statement that our connection to Hellenes (biological or otherwise) has been completely severed. I believe nothing could be further from the truth, especially given plenty historical evidence.\nRegarding your pessimism, I would personally not let that affect my belief in the gods. Well, I don't really \"believe\" in the gods in the same way Christians believe in Christ or Muslims believe in Muhammad. For me, the gods are self-evident. This is why people from different cultures have created different images for their gods, but they are essentially the same gods. Thor and Zeus, for example, share many common attributes because they largely represent the same Truth. It doesn't matter if I worship Athena because all the things that Athena represents (i.e. the gods represented by Athena's image) are real. In a sense, the best way to worship a god is to live in accordance with arete. For example, I understand the importance of Wisdom and I strive to acquire wisdom in all aspects of my life. Does that mean that I worship Athena? Maybe not. But hopefully you understand the point I'm trying to make.\nThe reason why I choose to worship Athena as opposed to the abstract idea of Wisdom is because images and symbols help me re-orient myself more easily. There's also a cultural element to it, as well as a practical element too. Rituals and rites create strong bonds with the people in your community. We know this very well. Art, music, mythologies; these are all very important. At the end of the day though our religion is philosophical and logical.\n\nTake care! I hope you find eudaimonia."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>Alright. I do disagree with your statement that our connection to Hellenes (biological or otherwise) has been completely severed. I believe nothing could be further from the truth, especially given plenty historical evidence.\nI meant more cultural than biological but you’re probably right.\n>Well, I don't really \"believe\" in the gods in the same way Christians believe in Christ or Muslims believe in Muhammad. For me, the gods are self-evident. This is why people from different cultures have created different images for their gods, but they are essentially the same gods. Thor and Zeus, for example, share many common attributes because they largely represent the same Truth. It doesn't matter if I worship Athena because all the things that Athena represents (i.e. the gods represented by Athena's image) are real. In a sense, the best way to worship a god is to live in accordance with arete. For example, I understand the importance of Wisdom and I strive to acquire wisdom in all aspects of my life. Does that mean that I worship Athena? Maybe not. But hopefully you understand the point I'm trying to make.\n>There's also a cultural element to it, as well as a practical element too. Rituals and rites create strong bonds with the people in your community. We know this very well. Art, music, mythologies; these are all very important. At the end of the day though our religion is philosophical and logical.\nSure but do you really practice a religion with a sincere belief for the Gods or do you just do it for cultural reasons? I have struggled myself with this.\n\n>Take care! I hope you find eudaimonia.\nThank you. You too φίλε"}, {"id": 40, "content": "[1/2]\n>>39\n>Sure but do you really practice a religion with a sincere belief for the Gods or do you just do it for cultural reasons? I have struggled myself with this.\nPersonally, ever since I was a teenager I struggled with my belief in Christianity. I'm the type of person that overthinks things, and this made it very hard for me to remain a Christian. For example, I couldn't accept that the Trinity is a mystery that I'm not supposed to doubt it. Every time I've tried understanding the Trinitarian nature of the Christian God I have failed. I even had a debate on /his/ about the trinity, but my views did not change. So, I tried forcing myself to be a Christian even though the Christian faith didn't really make sense to me philosophically.\nEventually I started reading some of the ancient and modern Hellenists, I started having discussions with some of them, and I finally found a worldview that made sense to me. The thing is, Hellenism isn't really a \"religion\" in the conventional sense. Rather, it's a set of ideas that we hold about the cosmos, and we are able to defend those ideas logically. More importantly, we have no problem changing those ideas if it ever becomes necessary. After reading Proclus and Celsus, I have no problem believing in the gods because their nature finally makes sense to me. Sure, I don't fully understand them, but at least I can wrap my head around them. I can have an honest discussion about the divine, and at no point do I feel inadequate or silly. Contrary to this, every time I had a discussion as a Christian, I always defaulted back to \"holy mysteries\", which was exhausting and not satisfactory at all. Basically, I had to betray myself and my own sense of reason in order to remain a Christian."}, {"id": 41, "content": "[2/2]\n>>39\nYou ask me whether I sincerely believe in the gods. I have to respond with a question of my own: what are the gods? What do you mean by gods? If you answer this question for yourself, you'll see that NOT believing in the gods is basically impossible. At least that's how I see it.\nAfter you begin understanding the gods (which is hard to do because words such as \"god\" and \"religion\" have been highjacked and corrupted by the Abrahamists), you will realize that the best way to fully worship the gods is by taking part in the ethnos that you belong to. Our religion, our community, our language, our symbols, our ethnos; these are all interconnected, and they are what we call \"Hellenism\". So, after realizing what the gods are, I understood that I need to connect with my roots, my ancestors, and with the culture which birthed it all. I had to connect with those who actually managed to recognize and articulate the Divine so accurately, beautifully and poetically.\n\nAfter than, everything started falling into place. Every healthy impulse that I had since I was young has been embraced and confirmed by Hellenism and Hellenists. My love of nature, my love for knowledge, my love for family, my love for life; these are all things that I knew are good and healthy. Hellenism affirms all that, and it actually defends them with logical arguments."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n[3/2]\nNot to mention all the other wonderful benefits I got from Hellenism, which are not part of the Hellenic religion strictly speaking. Some of those benefits are:\n>no more fear of death\n>I finally understand why family and heritage are important\n>hope for the future\n>a reason to study and learn more about the Greek language\n>etc"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>28\nJews and Muslims use the same \"gentiles are retarded and worship rocks and trees\" passages to justify why Christianity is clearly false. After all, the Bible itself says that you shouldn't give food and drink to the statue of Jesus at the front of the church, and that you certainly shouldn't ask it to do stuff for you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The mods here don’t seem to do anything. How do I become a moderator?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI once posted my cock here and it stayed up for 2 days"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nKek."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat do you want them to do?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nDelete spam posts."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Because racebaiting and other political bullshit is the bread and butter of 4chan. It's an outlet for cringe social outcasts to scream and vent out their retarded poltical opinions without getting their teeth shattered."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is a containment board mate"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n> my cock…stayed up for 2 days\ngo see a doctor"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nis he hot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How do I become a moderator?\nBy not doing anything."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How do I become a moderator?\nThe only people who get accepted as Jannies/Mods are people with prior experience. So being a mod on a discord server or twitch streamer's mod is a must."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>So being a mod on a discord server or twitch streamer's mod is a must\nBut I don't want to groom kids or ERP with random men!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are the mods here so dog shit?\nmoderation is shit since board creation"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nAt first they banned all religious talk now they let atheist shit post all day"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Mods let Christfags spam all of their retarded threads nonstop without any moderation at all until religion replaced history as the main subject of the board. /his/ is a shell of what it was a couple year ago. They might as well rebrand it Religion & Humanities at this point since they refuse to create a religion board or moderate the religion spam."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Does no one else care that we barely have any history threads on the history board anymore?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nReligion is History"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAlmost any subject can be classified as history with this line of thought. Animals are part of history too. Is it ok to spam animal threads like /an/?"}, {"id": 19, "content": "We need a /rel/ board. 3/4s of the catalog is religion shit."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>>19\n>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nA lot of posters are tired of religion threads dominating the board all the time. Religion was never intended to be the main subject, otherwise they would have named it Religion & Humanities. The board is abbreviated /his/. It was clearly meant to be a history board with a little religion and philosophy added in."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI don't get what's to discuss with religion. Every thread is just shitflinging.\nAverage history thread:\n>50 years ago this happened, what are everyones thoughts?\n>it ultimately did more harm than good but you couldn't discount it's importance\n>interesting i never realised that and what led to this?\nAverage religion thread:\n>why are atheists such seething copers?\n>stfu with this kike on a stick shit\n>burn in hell demonic satanist"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe mods here are great. They allow spiritual development."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are /his/ favorite historical anime and manga? Pic related is Kingdom"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's an historical fiction, but the one in which a japanese merc travels through Europe in the middle of the War of the Protestant League searching to kill another merc who dishonored him back in Nipland, it's kino\nCan't remember the name tho"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkingdom is about as historical as the lord of the rings is"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Kingdom stopped being fun after the little bitch brother's rebellion arc."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThought this was some AI generated disguised version of that Holocaust pic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUhhhh Hyouge Mono? Maybe Vagabond.\nI've read a few historical mangas, but they tend to be rather shitty from a narrative point of view and about as historically accurate as the romance of three kingdoms. It kinda leaves you with a bad taste, unless they have great art to balance it out.\nI want to say that all the western ones are worse, but it might just be that I can spot more bullshit when a nip writes about european antiquity than I can when he writes about sengoku jidai."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Someone post the Mein Kampf manga."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>>6\nHyouge Mono is god tier, you'd think a manga with theme all over the place like that (comedy, drama, war, politics, aesthetics and philosophy) would be a disaster but it worked. also Oribe himself is such a likable protagonist and his character development from half assed aesthete and samurai into wise old man who trolled every single one around him is a joy to read"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIf it actually focused on the themes it presented it would have absolutely been a disaster. Luckily the author was smart enough to make it basically a personal story focused on Sasuke instead trying to be too deep about muh simplicity and other bullshit.\nIt helps that all other characters are implied to be every bit as trashy as him, with the philosophical pretenses mostly masking political power plays."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe cockpit is a classic. Think of it as sad, WWII Top Gun with gorgeous animation."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Shut Hell is my favorite.\nI also enjoyed Gunka no Baltzar, Zipangu, Shoukoku no Altair, and Wolfsmund"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKingdom, LoGH"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nIt's Issak, the art is really good buut it has the usual nippon warrior strong tropes"}, {"id": 14, "content": "You read historical manga. I read historical manga. We are not the same."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've read a some historical manga with varying degrees of historicity so I will drop the ones I remember\n>Otome Sensou\nit's about the Hussite wars, Jan Žižka is in it\n>Comic Showa-Shi\nShowa period from the view of the author\n>Manchuria Opium Squad\nJapanese soldier selling opium\n>Mitsurin Shounen\nChild soldier in Cambodia during the Pol Pot days\nI believe someone on /a/ made a collage of historical mangas categorised by the period they represent, if I find it again I will it post here"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHere"}, {"id": 17, "content": "for me, it's Otoyomegatari"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Strategy video games are the entertainment medium of choice of /his/, not weebshit"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nwheredoyouthinkweare.jpg"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUsed to be Historie but I've stopped following it since 2015 or something"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nReading about Hussite Wars only made my blood boil. Typical Reformation wars retardation, except earlier. I don't know how you could stomach reading Otome Sensou."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Vinland Saga"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>6\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>17\n>>unknown\n>>19\n>>20\n>>21\n>>22\n>watching tranime\n\nGo back to /a/, you will NEVER fit in here"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\n>Otome Sensou\n>Jan not villain\nTrash"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>awful bait\nAnime website originally, read again retard."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nFun fact, historic protagonists was Iranic which sadly censored his origin on Wikipedia"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\n>stomach reading Otome Sensou.\nI like history and I like edgy manga, Otome Sensou satisfies both\n>>24\nHe's not a hero either, my knowledge about this period is laughable but the manga does portray him as more of a knight hating mercenary with little morals than a hero"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nt. namefag"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And when were they lost? The destruction of the library of Alexandria? What were the most notable works lost?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Vvvghhhhh all those intricate records about the different arts of boyshagging\nAll of the heathen sodomite pre-christian world should have been burnt to ground."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo true Christian would make this post. Repent."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDestruction of pagan traditions is the virtue of Christians. Why do you want to learn about boy fucking so much? Are you a catholic?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>percentage\nThat depends on what you count as a text. However, even restricting the domain to texts purposefully written for posterity, the answer is: the vast majority. Particularly the case for earlier, ancient Greek works.\n\n>The destruction of the library of Alexandria?\nIt is unclear to what extent the library of Alexandria impacted the immediate situation. Every work there had at least one copy elsewhere, in theory. However, it created a long-term problem, due to the decline in centralised scribesmanship and conservatory.\n\n>What were the most notable works lost?\nMany extant works regularly name-drop now lost books. Not even all of the poetry attributed to Homer survive."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nthe bible disagrees :)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n\n>muh library of Alexandria\nWill redditors stop fetishizing that building? That place was way past its glory days by the 4th century AD.\n\nCopying books was a labour-intensive task, it was reserved for works that people of the day was interested in actually reading. So the works of Claudius, about stuff nobody cared about anymore after the empire destroyed itself in the 3rd century, did not deserve to be preserved."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>did not deserve to be preserved.\nbased autist"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTons were 4channel tier posts and weren't ever copied so lost in a single generation. Of the ones that were being copied by scribes it was only ever a diminishing minority until the printing press.\n\n>most notable works lost?\nMissing volumes of Livy?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nStop talking about paedophilia you pervert."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nYou're some anti-Christian larper. Go be a fag somewhere else."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo put it in perspective, Plato’s academy spawned an entire school of thought and dialogues about Socrates and his way of thinking but Plato’s are the only ones to actually survive down to us today. Likewise, most of the great poets and theologians of the day survive in fragments."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What were the most notable works lost?\n\nIf it were completed, the Hermocrates dialogue could have put a lot of questions about Atlantis to rest."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>the Homeric corpus, the Aristotelian corpus, the Platonic corpus, ... did not deserve to be preserved in full\nI'm not sure whether truly this would have changed if the library stood for longer, as I've already said, but..."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWe can actually be certain we have the full Platonic corpus at least because Thrasyllus included every dialogue mentioned in other sources plus new spurious stuff. The only one we may be missing is Hermocrates IF Plato even wrote that."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCopying books required not only literacy, but access to ink and paper/parchment/papyrus. Of which were luxury goods\n\nDepending on the writing medium and the environment, written materials can decay as well. Want to know why we know so much about the Mesopotamians? It's because they wrote their stuff down on clay tablets and seals, which not only don't decay, but become even stronger when exposed to things like fire"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nYou will never get into nu-Jewish heaven"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nParchment was a luxury-good but papyrus was dirt cheap in the Nile Delta. Not much more expensive than paper today.\nThe problem was the lack of a printing-press. Every book you read had to be inscribed by hand."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTons. The whole Christian thing operated by censorship and destruction of things in disagreement with their immature understanding. Christianity, Islam and its father Judaism is some destructive mind poison. Shame you still have mental patients in modern day believing in fairy tale descriptions of the world."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m so pissed 90% of Tacitus’ Annals has been lost, because the surviving 10% is amazing"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nAnd “trad” abrahamics on this board want to act like cuckstianity wasn’t a series of alien values imposed on Europe"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">Will never be able to read Callisthenes account of Alexander's life\n>Will never be able to read Pyrrhus personal memoirs"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nLow quality bait"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Etruscans record lost\nThat really sucks."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThey were just really unlucky\nWith the amount of writings the Romans wrote about them we could've known just as much about the Etruscans as we do the Sumerians"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nWe know as much as we do about Egypt because they were in the habit of inscribing things in stone. Which also lasts a long time, provided it doesn't get sand blasted by desert storms."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">nagasaki? hiroshima? what are those gook places I said BERLIN and the VATICAN you dumb fucks!!!!!!!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe probably did unironically believe that. Slimy rat"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nId be mad if my hitler killer 9000 got dropped on some rice paddy shithole instead\nIt's pretty reasonable"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFucker couldnt even speak proper english"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>not alsace and lorraine"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOPPEN HEIMER STYLE"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo people actually think he regretted it the nanosecond the bomb was dropped? He was happy with the nuking until he saw the video tapes of the mutations and medical problems in survivors."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nnothing slimy about wanting revenge for the holocaust, that just makes you human\n(no way he wanted to drop one on Italy though, considering how it noped out of the war in '43)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>gook places\nWhy are you fuckers so retarded?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>revenge for the holocaust\n...in 1942?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMakes sense. The holocaust death rate peaked between August-December 1942."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Yes, I saw current media thing as well. Let us talk more about current media thing."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">jew\n>having morality\nthats the joke"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nit was already real... in his mind."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n\nmedia adaptations always lead to more awareness. Are you dumb?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "truth is buttsex was way more common in history than most people think.\n\nDo you really think the average commoners would have intercourse like 8 times in their life and that's it? Nonsense.\nI think they were fucking on the regular like all humans ever, but they were just doing buttstuff 90% of the time.\nThere was social shame around doing that because a. children need to be born in order for society to function, and b. everyone was guilty about doing it so thats why sodomy was rent free in their heads."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Vaginal sex feels way better than anal sex anyways. Anal sex isn’t that great"}, {"id": 3, "content": "pederasts really are brain damaged."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ni know, thats why people would do vaginal despite it sometimes being a bad idea"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nnot true for the bottom (male)"}, {"id": 6, "content": "never do anal with a woman you intend to have kids with as you can render her sterile from her system developing antibodies against spermatazoa"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nCoitus interruptus was far more common than sodomy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbuttsex doesnt exist. Sex is that which drives the union of the male and female gametes, everything else is paraphilia. Stop pretending that meddling with intestines is defensible or common practice. Everyone is disgusted by it, unless propagandized endlessly by porn until the brain loses capacity for common sense and paraphilia gets ingrained."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nFU anon, you made me go fap"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWomen don’t automatically become pregnant from vaginal sex. Even in optimal conditions it’s only a chance."}, {"id": 11, "content": "women used to have like 12 kids"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nit's about a 20-25% chance and of course women are only actually fertile about 4-5 days out of the month. though it's semi-easy to tell because women become insanely horny when ovulating."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nmaybe with you, but with a real male they do get pregnant."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nthats not true. women in Iran today have about as much sex as hoes in the west but its 100% oral or anal because they need to remain 'virgin' before marriage. I know a guy in Iran who told me this. From what I know Persian women dont have fetility problems. The source of the anal sex causing sperm antibodies is one study done on homosexual men. Men don't naturally have those antibodies so thats why it was interesting. Women's immune systems are designed to kill sperm from birth because thats how they weed out the weak ones."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo you fucking tard. They had wives, loose women and brothels."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFaggot"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Isn't anal actually harmful?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey probably did do that if they wanted to avoid having children.\nIt's vastly exaggerated just how prude people were back then. Sexual morality wasn't nearly as ingrained in society among both commoners and elites as commonly believed. The plebs visited prostitutes far more so than today and the whole idea that people had an aversion to nudity and sexuality was mostly invented in the Victorian era. In royal courts it was pretty much expected that you were cheating on your spouse, or getting cheated on."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>anal sex with a woman = homosex\nYou are the exact guy who has sodomy rent free in his head because he's secretly gay."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nin what way?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nButtsex=tons of diseases and early death due to lack of antibiotics."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI tried reading histories once and within like the first half an hour of reading there's all kind of adultery, buttsex and rape in it. Disgusting"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>tons of diseases and early death\nonly if you are having sex with actual homosexual men.\nA woman's ass is not significantly more dirty than a vagina and you won't get dieseases from it unless you are immunocompromised."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith how high child mortality rate was. Yeah, they were alwasys fuckin. Farms are hard and the cow shit aint going to shovel itself."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\nThis"}, {"id": 26, "content": "There is objectively nothing wrong with fucking your wife's butt. Prove me wrong"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI also have zero problem with people fucking your wife’s butt if that makes you feel any better"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nFissures or piles: The anal tissues are non-stretchable and thereby an insertion of the penis into your partner’s anus can lead to tearing of the anus which might make your partner prone to anal fissures or piles. Besides, anal sex can cause severe pain while excretion the morning after, as there can be a significant weakening of the anal muscles.\nIncreases the chances of anal cancer: If you and your partner frequently engage in anal sex, your partner’s chances of getting anal cancer increases as the act can initiate the transmission of the Human Papillomavirus (the virus responsible for anal cancer).\nBacterial infection: Anus is a place designed to hold and facilitate the passing of faeces. This makes it a fertile breeding ground and holding area for bacteria. Through insertion, there is a high chance that you can be infected through your partner’s bacteria. Also if vaginal intercourse occurs immediately after anal intercourse, your partner can also get affected by the bacteria that transfer from the anus to the vagina. It can cause UTIs or urinary tract infections at the least and more serious infections as well.\nSexually transmitted diseases: Contrary to popular opinions, having unprotected anal sex can actually increase the chance of getting HIV and other deadly STDs (sexually transmitted diseases). As the anal tissues are extremely fragile, the risk of the transmission of sexually transmitted infections in the bloodstream remains quite high for both the partners involved. Even if you’re using a condom whilst engaging in the act, the chances of getting STD’s looms large as condoms are more prone to breakages during anal sex.\n\n\nhttps://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325889"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\nTrue, but most guys are driven by the mystery of the forbidden hole. Then you find out the mystery is just the other hole is better."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">monotheism still viciously debated 3000 years after Abraham on a Mongolian basket weaving forum\nOof, safe to say God is not going anywhere …"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nexactly, the holy cuckerino is the highest most holiest god, cause you mix 2 super holy stuff\n. holy cucking\n. jews\nHow could someone not worship that is beyond me."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat is very holy Anon"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>jews have still been fucking up the world 3000 years later\n>Oof, safe to say jews aren't going anywhere\ni got news for ya.."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is such a braindead analogy. A cow can actually see the farmer they have no reason to doubt his existence. The farmer is taking his cows to the slaughterhouse so he can sell their meat. The farmer gets paid and the customers get food. Who benefits from God sending people to burn in Hell forever?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou ten autists on this particular board and the remaining boomers are the only ones still talking about it outside of third world countries lol. LARPs never last. You think that 1000 years is a long time but it isn't and the original goy-op you call a religion is fading fast and good riddance."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nGod exists"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich god?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIn your underdeveloped brain maybe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nTake a step outside for once. Go to Church, especially. As long as you or any of you miserable trannies and bastards on this site remain in your ruts, you will never have the joy even an average Catholic kid in video related will have. Your lives are garbage and everything around you is garbage. There's nothing good about your existence. But you can escape. I'll never tell you that you have to permanently be garbage, but you are for now. I know it.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PMzp8MIQY [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nwhat do you mean by \"which God\"? There's only One\n\n>>9\nOne reply is all it took kek"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe going to hek with you, Monad will see to it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>literally the only man on /his/ with a traditional housewife and child\n>get shouted at by terminally online autists that I'm a communist tranny incel because I'm not christian\n>mfw"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nI’ve been a church kid and I left Christianity.\nNot being a Christian is way better than being a Christian unless you are thoroughly a gay nerd who can’t get pussy."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbraham is traditionally believed to have lived circa 2000 BC, so that would be 4000 years"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nI didn't you specifically were a tranny. There are more bastards on this site than trannies. You obviously don't have any life experience if you think religion is just third worlders. If you're so successful, stop talking like a shut in. If you can."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nIf you left, you don't have a clue what being a Christian is. But I won't tell you. As it is written, \"Cast not your pearls before swine.\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nOne day you might figure out that it’s ancient mythology as well.\nI’ll re-iterate, Christianity only makes sense if the god and afterlife realms are actually real, OR if you’re a terminal gay nerd who can’t get pussy"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Christianity only makes sense if the god and afterlife realms are actually real\nYeah that’s kinda the faith"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYeah because it is bad for your actually real life unless you’re a lame nerd who can’t get laid and will never make decent money"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt’s definitely not optimal for getting ahead in this world, I will give you that. The Bible even says so. But that’s a choice and a matter of priorities. You can also lie, steal, and cheat your way to the top, and you will be better off, by your metric. Morality is this pesky thing that gets in the way of stuff like that though"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>>monotheism still viciously debated 3000 years after Abraham\n\nThat's not really saying much when the \"debate\" looks like this.\n\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nNot an argument"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI literally drew an example from the thread. I didn't even need to make up a hypothetical."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>It’s definitely not optimal for getting ahead in this world, I will give you that. The Bible even says so. But that’s a choice and a matter of priorities\nI just respect you for being the first person I’ve ever seen admit that on this board. It will hurt your chances for money and women"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYeah but the only women who would find it unattractive are filthy slags that are ugly whores on the inside and that you wouldn’t want to be the mother of your kids, lol"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nPretty much every normal attractive woman is going to expect to have sex before you get married. In fact almost every normal woman is going to consider you just her friend if you hang out and don’t have sex. That’s what that is."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Pretty much every normal attractive woman is going to expect to have sex before you get married\nIf you’re a dominant male you can tell her that’s not how it’s gonna be and she won’t mind. You shouldn’t be marrying non-Christians anyway as a Christian. Christian girls from reputable churches aren’t slags.\n>That’s what that is\nFornication is literal degeneracy, and all sex-having males know the feeling of post-coital guilt. It’s like going on a drug bender. Why do you want to even have sex with someone who’s not your wife? The very idea should be nasty"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>If you’re a dominant male\nYou're a socially maladjusted weirdo who uses online personalities for daddy advice because you have no security in your masculinity."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nProjection…the post"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>If you’re a dominant male you can tell her that’s not how it’s gonna be and she won’t mind.\nBro you are fooling no one and probably not even yourself. Normal attractive women, almost every single one of them will not consider a relationship without sex anything more than a friendship, and they sure as fuck are not going to stop dating and fucking other men if you’re not fucking her."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>Fornication is literal degeneracy, and all sex-having males know the feeling of post-coital guilt. It’s like going on a drug bender. Why do you want to even have sex with someone who’s not your wife? The very idea should be nasty\nI do not have this problem and if you think sex with women is gross you are probably gay"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nYou’re just coping and making excuses for your sinful sexual addiction, trust me I know I was there once"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>sex with women is gross you are probably gay\nIt’s called “doing the nasty” for a reason, it’s only not gross with someone you have feelings for"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nLoling at the idea of you telling some girl you’re in a relationship with her when you’re literally platonic friends and getting furious when she dates actual men"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nDoing the nasty is tongue in cheek, straight men enjoy sex with women, it’s just better when you care about each other"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>>36\nI’m sure your incel excuses will take you far at the Judgment"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nI’m expressing normal people opinions, your bullshit >>28\nis 100% full blown incel gibberish.\nI don’t oppose having sex with women and I think casual sex is a good thing. You are firing off incel takes"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>I’m expressing normal people opinions, your bullshit\nSodom and Gomorrah opinions yeah"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\nBut God does exist..."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>5\nYou have no reason to doubt God's existence"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>3\nyes indeed, worshiping a jew raised by a cuck is the apex of spirituality and holiness"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>that pic\nare larpers really trying to say the earth spinning creating a day night cycle is proof of god"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nSome Christians are genuinely pagan tier or Muslim tier retards."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>And God saw that the earth was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence because of them; now I am going to destroy them along with the earth.\n\nNotice how there is no verse where God expresses a change of heart regarding his creation. The only thing that pleases him about his creation is the smell of animal sacrifice."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nI think they’re also trying to say that humans feeling a primal attraction to a well lit river valley with lots of vegetation has no logical explanation besides Jesus creating the universe"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nAn atheist has no reason to believe the sun will rise tomorrow. Natural laws are proof of God because the atheist worldview cannot account for them\n>>45\n>And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done. 22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”\nAll atheists are liars\n>>46\nYou know nature is beautiful even if you tell yourself otherwise. No matter how much you reassure yourself that everything's just random magic you can clearly see the truth."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\n>>46\nIt's the expression of a childish sentiment that stems from a deficient vulgar contemporary notion of Beauty paired with the classic notion that Creation is inherently beautiful"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>an athiest has no reason to believe the sun will rise tomorrow\nexcept for the fact most athiest understand how it works since its the result of the earth spinning on an axis, which can only be stopped due to extreme freak circumstances that would result in the Earth being destroyed and said freak incident would be known in advance"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>You know nature is beautiful even if you tell yourself otherwise.\nI’m not disagreeing I love nature more than most people in my experience, I’m just saying it’s not somehow proof that Jesus created the universe lmao"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>41\n>that nose\nDefinitely a Jew."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>except for the fact most athiest understand how it works since its the result of the earth spinning on an axis\nHow do you know that will still be true tomorrow?\n>would result in the Earth being destroyed\nHow do you know that will still be true tomorrow?\n>>50\nYou don't get art without an artist. If it is random then it is not beautiful, but it is beautiful, therefore it is not random."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nbecause I know how physics work, no really tell me what could possibly not make it true tomorrow"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nThis guy genuinely has one of the most primitive minds I’ve ever encountered.\nHe is afraid the sun won’t rise tomorrow, he doesn’t realize that humans evolved to find lush river valleys attractive."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nThe guy who believes a god could throw the earth out of orbit at any time without warning or change the laws of phoebe thinks a universe without that variable is somehow less predictable"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nLaws of physics* lol"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nYou might know how physics works *right now* but you how do you know how physics will work tomorrow? You're asking me what would make it change, but the real question is what would make it stay the same? You may observe the material objects behave and reason out from that that they reflect some inherent law of reality which compels them to behave that way, but on what basis do you believe any such laws exist? Why could it not just be one random event followed by another random event? How do you know the future will be like the past?\n>>54\nI'm not afraid the sun won't rise tomorrow because just like you I know that God imposes order on this world, like you I know people are not moist robots that came from magic rocks, like you I know we were created in God's image, and like you I know the world is really beautiful, not just in my mind.\n>>55\nNaturalism is really just the primitive superstition of animism dressed up in the guise of something with intellectual merit. You believe rocks are magic. Why does the earth orbit the sun? \"no reason, it just does\". It's magic."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>laws of phoebe\nall hail our new demiourgess"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>22\nBTFO'd"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>won't change tomorrow\nbecause that isn't how physics works, again I ask what makes you think it will suddenly change"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\nKant\nCritique of Pure Reason"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\n>Why does the earth orbit the sun? \"no reason, it just does\". It's magic.\nThank you for providing more supporting evidence of that fact that you have a remarkably primitive mind >>54"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\nThis motherfucker literally doesn’t know why the earth orbits the sun and thinks it’s magic"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nNo you're the one that thinks it's magic. I know the reason why is because that's how God designed it to work (you also know this)"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nIt’s gravity you fucking serf lmao"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThat's how, I asked why. You think it's magic rocks"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">its another episode of religous fanatic doesn't understand basic science (this time physics) that they teach in grade school\nwho wants to bet he is the result of the home school meme"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nHe might have just been terrible at science class, likely other classes too. I mean it’s staggering."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>>68\nAtheists are really proud of their abject philosophical ignorance"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nLook at him thinking inanimate objects and physical forces need a justification to do things as if they’re people with personalities."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nLook at you proud to believe rocks are magic"}, {"id": 72, "content": "i really think there's something fallacious about associating perfection with any number. It seems we're taught to make assumptions that make monotheism a logical conclusion, but they don't hold up if you look at them critically."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\n>he says while not understanding how gravity works\neven a fucking child has a better grasp on physics than you do"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nHe’s calling gravity magic. Literally does not know what causes the earth to orbit the sun."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nwoah bold claim\nlike, western metaphysics defying claim"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>christcucks view their relationship with god as if they are some kind of cattle he slaughters\nwhew"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nNo, I think gravity is the design of God. You are the one who thinks it just powers itself, as if there's magic in the rocks.\n>>73\nNobody has said anything about how gravity works. I asked you why it will continue to work tomorrow. Before you ask me what would make it change, ask yourself what there is to change"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>You are the one who thinks it just powers itself,\nGravity? Anon please explain to me your understanding of gravity."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>nobody has said anything about how gravity works\nthey did, multiple times, you just didn't pay attention in your physics class"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>75\n>like, western metaphysics defying claim\nI think everything bad about western philosophy comes from that belief."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nGravity is an effect of mass bending space-time which manifests as an accelerating force."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nI see you googled it and don’t understand what that means because you would not have said this\n>No, I think gravity is the design of God. You are the one who thinks it just powers itself"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nwe are indeed in the post-metaphysical era of thought so now's your chance"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nI didn't google it, I just knew that. The greentext is also correct. Cope"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut cows interact with farmers daily"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christians consider themselves livestock"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nYeah the mass bends space time nothing is powering anything"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>mass bends space time\nWhy?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>58\nshe's almost get numbers\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nAnon you fundamentally don’t understand that mass and energy are the same thing and are in constant motion. Just by existing they cause things to happen, that is the nature of matter and energy."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>82\n>powers\n\n>>87\n>powering\n\nGravity isn't a force."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n>Anon you fundamentally don’t understand\nWould me understanding falsify atheism?\n>Just by existing they cause things to happen\nWhy? See, you still aren't getting my point. I'm not asking how, I'm asking why. Mechanical answers will be answers to a question I am not asking. I can answer this question, the reason why natural laws are what they are is because that is how God designed His creation; what goes up must come down because that is how God designed it. Natural laws represent divine order. I can very easily imagine a universe in which gravity does not exist, where we would fly off into space. Why does gravity exist, rather than not?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>52\nWhere did God's art skills go when he made the rest of the universe?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nThats aesthetic too, idkwym\n\nUnironically, the only ugly parts of the universe are man-made"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\n>I'm asking why\nFermions bend spacetime in an attempt to reach a lower energy state. The minute effect that fermions have on spacetime \"bleeds\" out energy. It's an incredibly tiny amount of energy, however, unless you've got something really massive like a blackhole (and even then it's still puny).\n\nIf you're going really fast (like, close to 0.1c) then the curvature of spacetime kicks in, but that curvature itself is really small."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\nRotting flesh in the mud covered in maggots disagrees. You’re absolutely a city boy"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>2\n>>42\ni love how this is the greatest arguement against monotheism according to this board"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nThere being at least 3 different fundamental forces that oppose each other points much more toward some sort of polytheism."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nbro no\nthis is just mythology"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>B8F92758-F098-4143-8C11-8(...).jpg\n\nThat pic looks like it was made by gnostic."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>41\nhow about the world appearing exactly as it would look if God didn't exist?"}, {"id": 102, "content": "Abraham never existed."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>92\n>that is how God designed His creation\nWhy?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRegardless if the cow acknowledges the farmer at all, he will be slaughtered either way"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do self-professing Christians here reconcile swearing, blaspheming, insulting, mocking, making dirty jokes etc. with the Bible?\nYou must be able to answer, because every day, I see so-called Christians doing such things here.\nBut the scripture is clear...\n\nAre your words building others up, or are they trying to tear others down?\n>Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.\nEphesians 4:29\n\nAre you uttering words without care? You will answer for every one of them.\n>And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak.\nMatthew 12:36\n\nYour religion is worthless if you speak carelessly.\n>If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.\nJames 1:26\n\n\"But they insulted me first!\"\n>The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent ignores an insult.\nProverbs 12:16\n\n>A gentle tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness in it breaks the spirit.\nProverbs 15:4\n\nAgain, the scripture is clear; so how do the self-professed Christians here - that I see every day insulting each other, and using foul language, and perverse jokes - reconcile this with the scripture?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Using God's name in vain - that is, carelessly - is blasphemy. You cannot consider yourself a Christian if you continue to blaspheme.\n>“You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.\nExodus 20:7\n\nBlasphemy is so serious that it was given the death penalty under the Old Covenant.\n>Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the Lord commanded Moses.\nLeviticus 24:23\n\nJesus commanded us to go and sin no more. That includes filthy speech.\n>[...]“Now go and sin no more.”\nJohn 8:11\n\nAre we bearing good fruit when we use filthy language, or insult, or mock?\n>Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Can we really say that the Spirit is dwelling within us if we continue to express ourselves in a wicked manner?\n>Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?\n1 Corinthians 3:16\n\n>17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.\nMatthew 7:17-18"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Who said anybody's reconciling? No-one's perfect."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n\"NOR SLANDERERS\"\n>9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.\n1 Corinthians 6:9-10\n\nNo one is perfect, but we must STRIVE for perfection. Are we striving for perfection when we slander? What would you say if someone were to continue to have gay sex, while professing to be a Christian? Or if someone were to continue murdering?\nIt would be a clear example that the Spirit is not dwelling in them. For, you will know them by their fruits.\n\n>You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?\nMatthew 7:16"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're alright, bro. I don't post here a lot and don't have any instance in mind desu, but it's good to remind my own self too. Check yourself before you wreck yourself."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Is the Spirit dwelling in us? Is our faith genuine? Are we bearing good fruits?\n\nThose are the most important questions that we must ask ourselves, to know if our faith is genuine. To live in false faith is the most awful thing we can do.\n\n>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’\nMatthew 7:21-23"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nYou should be guarding your heart - or, reminding yourself - constantly.\n\n>Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.\nProverbs 4:23"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nSpare me the arrogance. Preaching on fucking 4chan of all places? You're a sinner too.\n>What would you say if someone were to continue to have gay sex, while professing to be a Christian?\nThey could be a Christian struggling with homosexuality - so what? You're such a pompous twit."}, {"id": 10, "content": "This is God's word and His commands for us. I will continue to spread His word, as He commanded, while striving to do the best I can. There is no alternative."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’re right. I want to be a Christian but I am too quick to defend myself and accuse others, and I have a porn addiction"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThat is great that you can say that.\n\n>[...] through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nYou have become conscious of your sin, and understand that you cannot be saved by your own righteousness, because you are wicked.\nBut there is hope in Jesus Christ, who died for your sins. You will receive righteousness through Christ.\n\n>This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22\n\nOnce you accept this righteousness, you must pray that you are strengthened through the Spirit. Pray, pray, pray that the Spirit will enter you, and help you fight against all that is sinful.\n\n>I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,\nEphesians 3:16"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">a christcuck has read its bibble\n>reality collapsing in 3... 2..."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus cursed figs\nMark 11:12-25\nJesus called he guy annoying him \"You Satan!\"\nMatthew 16:23\nJesus says \"nonbelievers be damned!\"\nMark 16:16\nPaul calls unbeleivers \"soft and homosexuals\" (malakos=faggots)\n1 Corinthians 6:9-11\nTimothy calls unbeleivers \"boyfuckers\" (arsenoi=boyfucker)\n1 Timothy 1:10\nIf not entirely profane and a case of lying, there is no evil in expressing what is the actual truth using harsh words. Church fathers usually did this too."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nI would describe myself as flawed and unworthy of Christ, but not necessarily wicked and worthy of hell. John says that everyone comes into the world illumined by Christ, and we are all made both in the image of Adam and in the image of God. We are all condemned to death for our sins, but we are not all condemned to hell for our sins."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Jesus cursed figs\nThis is not an insult, or a foul word. It was a demonstration that all those who do not bear good fruit - such as \"slanderers\", for example - will be cursed themelves.\n\n>Jesus called he guy annoying him \"You Satan!\"\nAgain, this was not an insult. It was the absolute truth - that Peter was unknowingly speaking for satan by attempting to prevent Jesus' death on the cross.\n\n>Jesus says \"nonbelievers be damned!\"\nThis is an absolute truth, and not an insult.\n\n>Paul calls unbeleivers \"soft and homosexuals\" (malakos=faggots)\nHe is listing the behaviors that will bar one from entering heaven. You'll find \"slanderers\" on that list as well, and I've quoted those verses in this very thread.\n\n>Timothy calls unbeleivers \"boyfuckers\" (arsenoi=boyfucker)\nSee above.\n\nYou are attempting to mask your own sin; but that will never fool God! Every one of your idle words will be accounted for.\n\n>And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak.\nMatthew 12:36"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nOP is just edifying his brothers. Get out of here, swine."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\ni said that harsh sayings is not a sin on their own, it is sin if you are libelling other. As you said these wordds are not lies, but an atheist would be angry if you scream \"you are damned right now!\" at them. Wont they? Or you call them \"boyfuckers\"?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>This is an absolute truth, and not an insult.\nYou are dumb as shit. That is the truth."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nIf you say this, then you cannot be saved. The wages of sin is death! (Romans 6:23). We have all sinned, and we all deserve death, as a just punishment for our sins. The death that is spoken of is hell. That is why Jesus gave us ETERNAL LIFE - as opposed to eternal death (hell).\n\nUntil you understand that you are wicked, and are deserving of hell for your continual rebellion against God, you will not understand the great worth of Christ's sacrifice on the cross."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nI think it's telling that you use foul language when faced with the scriptures."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith the core value of Abrahamic religion, blaming others for it"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Insults have a time and a place. Jesus did not shy away from calling people idiots or employing violence, and we are called to be as Christ-like as possible."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSo, when are you giving away all your possessions? That's something Jesus also commands in Matthew"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>We are all condemned to death for our sins, but we are not all condemned to hell for our sins\nRead my post again.\n>We are all condemned to death for our sins, but we are not all condemned to hell for our sins\nDo you disagree with either of those?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nDo you have the judgement to know when your insults are valid? I don't think we can say that, especially when we insult as a result of anger. It is better to get into a habit of keeping a very close watch on our tongue, as the scriptures command us to."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd here comes the shitty improvised priest. Oh God! You worthless scum don't understand anything about the greatness of self-professing Christianism, like if the Bible was the whole thing about our faith! If you follow the lines, the only thing you'll get to see will be assholes."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:25-26\n\nChrist's sacrifice is an atonement for our sins. This means that, as sinners, we are deserving of hell for our sins, but Christ's sacrifice was a payment for those sins.\nIt might be compared to a court, where you owe a fine. But someone else can pay that fine for you, out of the goodness of their heart. It is up to us whether or not we wish to accept that payment. That's the fundamental Christian message."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nJesus never commanded that"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” - Matthew 19:21"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\n>Do you have the judgement to know when your insults are valid?\nYes"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>shitty improvised priest.\nObscene speech\n\n>Oh God!\nBlasphemy - taking the Lord's name in vain.\n\n>You worthless scum\nInsulting that comes from anger. Jesus compared this to murder\n\n>the only thing you'll get to see will be assholes.\nObscene speech"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nBefore we can go on you need to say which of these two statements you disagree with\n>We are all condemned to death for our sins\n>but we are not all condemned to hell for our sins\n?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nI'd be very, very careful to make such a claim."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>We are all condemned to death for our sins\n>but we are not all condemned to hell for our sins because Jesus paid the debt on the cross."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\nJesus says that specifically to the young man that comes to him. This is not a command for all believers. He also says to \"sell your cloak and buy a sword\", which is directly addressed to Simon Peter, He isn't commanding every single Christian to sell their garments and buy a blade but Peter only."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nOk cool, Jesus also believed in a religion that thought bbq'ing Isaac was a good idea"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nDon't worry I have the Holy Spirit"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>verses I benefit from: the Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it\n>verses I don't benefit from: okay so this was only valid right after it was said, to just this one person, and then never again, because we totally don't believe in a universal objective morality or anythibg like that\n\nCompletely beyond parody"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nWhat's your point?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nDamn you destroyed that strawman well done dude"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>35\nIf someone is not condemned to hell by a holy and righteous God, then how can you call that same person worthy of hell?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nMy point is that your religion is objectively retarded."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristian’s on 4chan are “Christian” for political reasons. Christian’s IRL are almost never racist and wouldn’t post on websites where naked women, violence, and sinful debauchery is posted all the time"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nPretty much. 4chan christtards are just people who turned owning the libs into their entire identity. Imagine letting something you hate dominate your life this much lol"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nHave I not explained? We are all worthy of hell, but our sins are covered by the blood of Jesus, which grants us eternal life."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nJesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>32\nkek\nIf you didn't took it with a pinch of salt, no wonder you can't think by yourself and you feel you have to follow every little paragraph. Also, just because a text has \"obscene speech\" in it doesn't mean it's false in any way. Finally, if Jesus compared insulting that comes from anger then by not thinking about it and not searching to understand the reasoning behind it like you do you compare the guy raging on league with Hitler"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause most Christians on 4chan are Christians for political reasons and not reasons of sincere belief. It's also very common to see them try to turn Christianity into a racialist and warrior religion when the New Testament itself doesn't have much of a basis for either (none at all for racialism; it near explicitly says that Christian brotherhood overrides racial loyalty in Galatians). A lot of these \"Christians\" just want to say Christ (PBUH) is king to trigger the libs without having any faith in that statement or even any idea what precisely it means theologically.\n\n>>29\n>>36\nHe didn't tell anyone to insult people or use violence either, you're switching back and forth between acting like all his actions should be emulated and acting like you only need to pay attention to his general commands according to which approach lets you do what you already wanted to do."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>Have I not explained? We are all worthy of hell, but our sins are covered by the blood of Jesus, which grants us eternal life.\nYou said we’re worthy of death, and some of us will go to Heaven. Would a perfectly just and righteous God let sinners worthy of HELL into heaven?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\nBitch please. If you were truly concerned about your 'faith', you wouldn't be shitposting online, you'd be in a soupkitchen helping homeless people.\n\nOf course, that would require actual effort, hence you're an e-zealot who condemns people for the very shit you do yourself. Get a fucking grip"}, {"id": 52, "content": "Atheism better"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nThe point isn't completely emulating all of his actions. I'm not saying you should go to Jerusalem and start whipping Jews in synagogues."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\nIt also says in Corinthians: ‘Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”’"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nWho have I condemned in this thread so far? You are literally seething at a figure you just made up in your head, get a grip lad."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nWasn't accusing you of saying so, my point was just that you're being inconsistent in your methodology. Either the example of Jesus PBUH as presented in the New Testament should be emulated in toto, which would mean no profanity, casual oaths, that you should live a life of poverty etc. or only his general commands as presented in the NT have to be followed, in which case you've lost your justification for anti-pacifism and other positions that most 4chan Christians support."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nThe bad company that Paul refers to is Christians who deny the resurrection of the dead."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nLiterally this entire thread centers how anyone who even mildly disagrees with your faith is a sinner who deserves to fry forever. You build your whole identity about projecting your own shortcomings onto others"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>21\nBut I'm not insulting you. I'm stating the truth."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>21\nBut why do you care? you speak about Christians as if you are not one, so why are you holding others to standards you dont believe in. If you are a Christian, then you better be free of sin and pure of heart before you start casting stones around.\n>Romans 3:23 for fall have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nI'm spreading the message of the scriptures, which is something I wish others had done earlier for me."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>I'm spreading the message of the scriptures\nDo you believe that the Spirit has always led the assembly of believers from the beginning, since Pentecost?\n>something I wish others had done earlier for me\nRighteous"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Do you believe that the Spirit has always led the assembly of believers from the beginning, since Pentecost?\n\n>For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.\nRomans 8:14"}, {"id": 64, "content": "I hate his new namefag. Let’s get trusty Dirk in here and see what he has to say."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>Romans 8:14\nThat doesn’t really answer the question. Yes those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God, but the question is, if you believe that the Spirit has always led the assembly of believers from the beginning, since Pentecost. I assume you do."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.\nEphesians 5:4\n\n>What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”\nMatthew 15:11\n\n>No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.\n1 John 3:9-10"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nIf you agree that the Spirit has always led the assembly of believers from the beginning, since Pentecost, then why would you not think that the Spirit is a co-equal authority alongside the Bible in matters of faith and practise?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nThe Spirit will strengthen us to follow the commandments set forth in the scriptures.\n\n>I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,\nEphesians 3:16\n\nIt's not a case of, \"I gained important extra-Biblical knowledge because the Spirit told me something\". Many have been led astray by this belief. They have confused the Spirit with their own hearts.\n\n>The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. [...]\nJeremiah 17:9"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nIf there has been one special Spirit-led assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, why would the Christian not need to conform their belief to theirs?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>Many have been led astray by this belief. They have confused the Spirit with their own hearts.\nLike you?\n\n>St. Irenaeus: “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).\n\nYou do not maintain the apostolic tradition, therefore you are a heretic and are at emnity with the Spirit."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nThe Christian needs to conform their beliefs to the word of God, not to any manmade assembly."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nAre you calling the Christian church man-made?\n>No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them\nJohn 6:44"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan you go back to Christ if you blasphemed the Holy Spirit when you were younger?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>Are you calling the Christian church man-made?\nOf course not. The Christian church is the assembly of believers, who have been drawn by the Father (as confirmed by the verse in your post)"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>Can you go back to Christ if you blasphemed the Holy Spirit when you were younger?\nSince it is not widely understood as to what exactly is meant by blasphemy against the Spirit, I would say that there's a high chance that you did not commit the unforgiveable sin, and that you can be saved if you repent and believe."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\n>Of course not\nWhat was the relevance of you saying that the Christian need not conform their beliefs to any manmade assembly then? I’ll ask again: If there has been one *God-made* assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, why would you as a Christian not need to conform your belief to theirs?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nThe elect should and do conform their beliefs to the word of God. By their fruit you shall know them; and if they do not conform their beliefs to the word of God, then that is visible proof that they are not the elect."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>The elect should and do conform their beliefs to the word of God\nNot to the congregation which is blessed and personally steered and guided by God as well?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nThere is only the elect. The elect is the church of the body of Christ. There is no bringing in a \"congregation\" that has doctrines that are manmade and not coming from the Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>75\n>blasphemy against the Spirit,\nIt's exactly what the Pharisees did. Obstinate rejection of God's calling on their lives, to the point of calling it evil. Many on 4chan will join them."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n>There is no bringing in a \"congregation\"\nThe New Testament describes the Church both in terms of an \"assembly\" and in terms of a \"congregation.\" In the original Greek, the words ekklesia and sunagoge are both used when referring to the Church. Therefore your view of the church as a loose collection of individuals is unscriptural.\n\nThe Bible also says that the ekklesia will always be preserved of false doctrines long term, because it is personally ministered to by God. \"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.\" 1 John 2:19\n\nGiven the clear scriptural basis for an assembly of believers which is pure and incorruptible and which has existed uninterrupted from the time of Pentecost onwards, you don’t think it would be necessary to check your understanding of scripture against it, or to conform your belief to theirs, in addition to your private reading of scripture (which is also important)?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nYou only quoted half of what I said. I will repeat myself:\nThere is no bringing in a \"congregation\" that has doctrines that are manmade and not coming from the Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nThe ekklesia of the Bible has manmade doctrines?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nPaul was constantly writing to the churches of the early Christians to warn them that they were preaching false doctrines. Any collection of humans will be fallible, just as any human is fallible."}, {"id": 85, "content": "Make sure you apply religion to yourself first before applying it to others. It would be entirely pointless to tell somebody to do something if you haven't done it yourself."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>Paul was constantly writing to the churches of the early Christians to purify the evil from their midst. “If they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us”."}, {"id": 87, "content": "I didn’t mean for that to be greentext"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nIf I were to judge others for sin while continuing to commit it myself, it would not be pointless, but I would be bringing judgement upon myself.\nHowever, I don't believe that I am judging others, as I am simply spreading awareness of the scripture; and, I am not being a hypocrite, as I do not use foul language anymore."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>If I were to judge others for sin while continuing to commit it myself, it would not be pointless\n“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”\n\nRepent, sinner."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nHe didn't say he has no sin, badreadingcomprehension-kun."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nAll sin is damning. If you’re a fornicator but don’t swear, that’s not a license to judge those who have foul language."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nIf I told you that homosexual acts were a sin, and I did not commit homosexual acts, would I be a hypocrite, and would my judgement, judge me?\nLikewise, if I told you that slander and obscenity was a sin, citing scripture, and I did not slander nor use obscene words, would my judgement, judge me?\n\nThe Spirit which is bestowed upon us will deliver us from sin. To refrain from sin, as best as we can, is to serve God.\n\n>No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.\n1 Corinthians 10:13\n\n>We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.\nRomans 6:6\n>Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8\n>[...]“Now go and sin no more.”\nJohn 8:11"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nBy your logic, no one could ever claim that anything was a sin, if we are all sinners. But this isn't true, because we see in Paul - for example - a human being that is condemning sinful acts. But he does not speak his own authority, but he speaks using the scripture - the word of God."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere does it say these are commands?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe same way that they reconcile taking oaths even though that is strictly forbidden by Jesus. They just ignore it and pretend it means something else and it obviously does. Christians are used to operating this way so it doesn't phase them a bit."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nThose are not Christians.\n>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’\nMatthew 7:21-23\n\n>>94\nIt says in the Bible. You'd be using extreme mental gymnastics if you were to deny that these are commands to be followed. The scripture above would be very relevant in that case."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>>93\nJust repent, dude"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96 #\n>Those are not Christians\nWell you can say that all you want, but if somebody is doing and believing the same things that the original church did, you have no reason to say they are not of the original church. The Catholic and Orthodox institutions can't claim this since they disagree on fundamental issues with the original church."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nBut they are not doing the will of the father. Again,\n>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’\n\nYour post doesn't seem to make much sense. What do the original church have to do with taking oaths?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nI have repented, and you know that. Let this thread be a mirror to allow you to examine your own heart.\n\n>Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!\n2 Corinthians 13:5\n\n>[...]“Now go and sin no more.”\nJohn 8:11"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJewish religions aren't meant to be taken seriously or literally. Sorry you got mind conned OP."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nYou need to repent again"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>49\n>for political reasons and not reasons of sincere belief\n\nI think most followers of major religions get groomed into it by family or w/e rather than believing it. It's kind of on par with believing that the earth is flat at this point kek."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>84\n>Any collection of humans will be fallible, just as any human is fallible\nThat’s just bald impiety.\n>Matthew 16:18 - \"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.\"\n>Ephesians 5:25-27 - \"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.\"\n>1 Timothy 3:15 - \"If I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.\"\n>Hebrews 12:28 - \"Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe.\"\n>Jude 1:24-25 - \"Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.\"\n>1 John 2:19 - \"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.\"\nEach one of these verses emphasizes that the Church is not subject to corruption because it is founded and maintained by God. He protects the Church and ensures that it remains true to its purpose, which is to proclaim the gospel and provide a spiritual home for believers. Neglect to measure your doctrine against the church’s doctrine at your own peril!"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>91\n>If you’re a fornicator but don’t swear, that’s not a license to judge those who have foul language.\nHe isn't judging though. He's just telling us what the judgement of God is in Scripture. Big difference there.\n\nNow, if you were to make your own personal judgement that differed from Scripture, such as that you think it's not a big deal, then you would be the one offending the Lord.\n\n\"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.\n2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.\"\n- Romans 2:1-2"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>Neglect to measure your doctrine against the church’s doctrine at your own peril!\nOk, but if you're a Mormon trying to get people to join the LDS church or a muslim or whatever while saying that, that doesn't mean much."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>He isn't judging though. He's just telling us what the judgement of God is in Scripture. Big difference there.\nThat’s true. When he wrote\n>If I were to judge others for sin while continuing to commit it myself, it would not be pointless, but I would be bringing judgement upon myself.\n>However, I don't believe that I am judging others\nI missed the second part and only read the first part. Maybe he is a saint. Even so, his defensiveness in the matter doesn’t bode well and for that he should repent as well."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nNeither of those groups are identically and historically equal to the modern continuation of the original congregation of Christ-believers, so don’t worry. Thank you for acknowledging that I have a point."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\n>Even so, his defensiveness in the matter doesn’t bode well and for that he should repent as well.\nI am often perplexed by people who use foul language, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with them not following what Jesus Christ tells us in Scripture. Specifically in Romans 12 in this case, the word of God tells us, \"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.\"\n\nPeople who conform to this world, listening to hollywood films or television shows, start to acquire that vernacular which is really filthy, since they're listening to modern day Pharisees telling them to blaspheme the Lord and speak all kinds of obscenities. But for those who transform their mind rather than being conformed to this world are able to find ways to express their thoughts and ideas without this, and they are able to walk according to the paths that God has set up for them, so I agree with the sentiment being presented by OP.\n\nRecall what it says in Proverbs,\n\n\"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.\n6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.\"\n\nSo if God says in Ephesians not to communicate in an obscene manner, it is fitting and appropriate for us to observe these commandments and behave accordingly, fearing what God has said lest we fall into condemnation."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nIt doesn't matter how old your cult is, whether it's the 4th century or whether it is Joseph Smith digging up some gold plates, it's still wrong. The gnostics established a church in the 2nd century AD, they are still wrong. Deal with it, anon. None of those early groups are the church, that's why they don't follow the Bible."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\nI agree with the OP too, it’s a wholesome thread. I misread one of his post to think he was ok with judging others. He shouldn't be so defensive, but almost all Christians and people are defensive when attacked."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\n>None of those early groups are the church\n>Psalm 46:5 - \"God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.\"\n>Isaiah 54:17 - \"No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.\"\n>Psalm 121:3-4 - \"He will not let your foot be moved; he who keeps you will not slumber. Behold, he who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.\"\n>Isaiah 41:10 - \"Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.\"\n>Zechariah 2:5 - \"And I will be to her a wall of fire all around, declares the Lord, and I will be the glory in her midst.\""}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nJoseph Smith who started Mormonism, Mohammad in the 7th century, Catholicism which was founded by Constantine, and Gnosticism, no matter who you decide to go with, are not the church. The scriptural prophecies pertaining to the church apply specifically to the believers, not to others. This is important to grasp. It's also important to believe the same book that you are quoting from when it pertains to the Gospel and how we can know we are saved, by grace through faith, because of Christ's shed blood for us - who is now ascended on high and made higher than the heavens."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>The scriptural prophecies pertaining to the church apply specifically to the believers, not to others. This is important to grasp.\nYes, I’m sure they all are meant for individual believers’ personal narratives and not to Israel’s or her corporate worship. Eyeroll\n>It's also important to believe the same book that you are quoting from when it pertains to the Gospel\nOh really? Almost like the Bible contains the very words of God or something? Thanks for the news.\nIt’s also important for you to remember that most of the New Testament, the epistles, is addressed to the Church, not to the general population (you)."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\n***I’m sure they all are meant for individual believers’ personal narratives and not for Israel or her corporate worship***"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nBear in mind what Paul said in Galatians 6:16.\n\n\"And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.\"\n\n>>114\n>I’m sure they all are meant for individual believers’ personal narratives\nInsofar as they are victorious in Christ, they apply to individual believers. After all, it says in Romans, \"Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.\" (Rom. 8:37)"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\n>Insofar as they are victorious in Christ, they apply to individual believers\nI have no reason to think that’s untrue, but neither can you overlook the corporate aspect as well. And if it applies to Israel corporately, then it applies to the visible assembly of Christ’s first followers, corporately, because such is Israel now. Meaning, that same original assembly of believers is permanent, incorruptible, preserved of all impurity, not subject to death, etc. All the same qualities that you might even ascribe to the resurrected body of Christ. Because mystically, that’s what the Church is."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\n>And if it applies to Israel corporately, then it applies to the visible assembly of Christ’s first followers, corporately,\nOfc, but I'm saying that's not whatever group you are arguing for.\n\n>Meaning, that same original assembly of believers is permanent, incorruptible, preserved of all impurity, not subject to death, etc.\nSure, if you're talking about the 1st century Christians. They are with the Lord today right now. Hopefully you may one day go there as well based on how you respond to the Gospel, anon.\n\nDo you realize that all men are sinners against a Holy and Just God, and worthy of death? Do you realize that God is infinitely Just, and that He sent His Son to shed His blood on the cross and die for you, because of your sins? Do you recognize Him as Lord and acknowledge His ability to save you if you believe in Him, as He said in the Gospel? Basically, do you accept His word? I pray that you do, anon."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>Sure, if you're talking about the 1st century Christians\nAnd 2nd, 3rd, 4, 5, 6 … you didn’t pick up on my meaning. I wasn’t talking about the original believers as individuals, that they are saved. I’m saying that the actual visible assembly — of one baptism and one Lord and faith — as a doctrinal body. I don’t think that there is any biblical basis to justify your theory that the original cell of believers would perish under the weight of a hostile world, as the Mormons believe.\n>Do you realize that all men are sinners against a Holy and Just God, and worthy of death? Etc\nI certainly do. These are among the core teachings of the church of the apostles.\n>Basically, do you accept His word? I pray that you do, anon.\nI appreciate a prayer."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\n>I appreciate a prayer.\nAs always, my friend.\n\n>I don’t think that there is any biblical basis to justify your theory that the original cell of believers would perish under the weight of a hostile world, as the Mormons believe.\nI am not a Restorationist.\n\n>I’m saying that the actual visible assembly — of one baptism and one Lord and faith — as a doctrinal body.\nWe are saved based on individual grace. As it says, saved by grace through faith."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\n>I am not a Restorationist.\nYou are like one if you believe the first ever Christian congregation(s) was/were stamped out. Such is what I take you to mean when you say things like “no matter who you decide to go with, [they] are not the church”.\n\nAlso, Constantine didn’t found the Catholic Church. He wouldn’t have, since he was an Arian, proving his influence over the outcome of Nicaea was little. The Catholic Church was founded gradually over time by shifting perceptions of the papacy and a shifting self-concept of her mission. It’s not traceable to any one cult leader or personality like all of the (other) cults you listed. Even less is this the case for Orthodox Christianity, whose churches are totally decentralized. In the latter case, the one sole “cult leader” in that sense is Christ alone."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\n>We are saved based on individual grace\nI will add that individuality is not a biblical virtue or quality, least of all in salvation. The church teaches that we perish as individuals, but are saved together."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n>I will add that individuality is not a biblical virtue or quality, least of all in salvation.\nWell, in Romans 10:9 it says this (using the word \"thou\" for singular).\n\n\"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.\" (Rom. 10:9)\n\nSo then each one is judged after their own works. This is said, I believe, repeatedly in the Bible.\n\n\"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.\" (Rom 1:16)"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>unknown\nI'm just concerned about getting the Gospel out there. I'm not as worried about things that aren't immediately relevant to that. What matters is that everyone gets to hear and accept the Truth, that is what is of eternal consequence.\n\n>the elect accept it together with one another.\nSure, that's why God's word says:\n\n\"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?\nAnd how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!\"\n(Rom. 10:14-15)"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\n>I'm just concerned about getting the Gospel out there. I'm not as worried about things that aren't immediately relevant to that\nRight doctrine IS immediately relevant to that, and doctrine depends on whatever tradition (canon, exegesis) that you find yourself situated in."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\n>Right doctrine IS immediately relevant to that,\nYeah but arguing about Joseph Smith or whatever is kind of a side track from that. Doctrine is very important though.\n\n\"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.\"\n(2 John 1:9)"}, {"id": 127, "content": "A bad tongue defiles you. Even any spiritually sensitive person knows. Speaking to soon… hmmm\n>AYAYAYA\n>Have to say what I feel now now now no limit free free free\nFocusing on Christians too much. No no no no no. Focus on Jesus. Focus on what the Lord is saying. Please feel spanked by this. Spankety spankety. You… don't… focus… on… others… when…. you… have…. your… own….assignment. Not here or offline. God is saying something and you may not know. Character comes from your environment growing up. You may not know what God is doing in somebody's life and being comfortable in the Lord is a process. Jesus is coming soon. Let's not stay spiritual babies forever. Update your covering."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>unknown\n>Whatever has been believed by Christ’s “doctrine-bearers” is what we are to believe\nAnd this is the apostles who wrote the New Testament anon.\n\n\"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.\"\n- 2 Thess. 3:6\n\n>The chances that an ancient church tradition on the other hand, is normative, approaches 1.\nI have complete confidence that the tradition contained in the Bible, which is of ancient provenance, is true and accurate, as well as binding on all believers. I do not think it's just a chance, I say it with full certainty. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. Follow their teachings, because they received it from God.\n\n\"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;\nAnd are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;\"\n(Eph. 2:19-20)\n\n\"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.\n12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.\"\n(Gal. 1:11-12)"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>49\nI’m a cradle Catholic who takes it seriously, though I obviously struggle with some things. But, as regards my political ideology, it’s always taken a back seat to what the Church commands I assent to. I’m not sure you’re being fair with that element of your statement.\n>What seems to me white, I will believe black if the hierarchical Church so defines."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>50\n>perfectly just and righteous\nand perfectly merciful, yes."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\n>And this is the apostles who wrote the New Testament anon\nThe apostles are dead. Do you not believe in any ongoing congregation that has kept to the teaching of the apostles whose doctrine is normative?\n\n>I have complete confidence that the tradition contained in the Bible\nThe Bible doesn’t contain a tradition. The Bible IS a tradition — both its canon, and its exegesis. There is no “Biblical doctrine” without both of these elements—canon, and exegesis. Take away either one, and you have nothing. Now, we only know the canon by tradition, because the Bible of course does not contain a list of books in the Bible. So this is one extra-biblical tradition, one which you keep and hold to I might add. Equally absurd is it to suggest that the Bible admits a certain exegesis. In truth, it admits many, hence the need for correct exegesis. And you adhere to a certain extra-biblical exegetical tradition as well. So you see, you are bound to extra-biblical tradition, and cannot escape it. It’s only a question of whose extra-biblical tradition you are following in your Christianity. And it’s incumbent on you to follow the extra-biblical tradition of the apostles. Correct tradition and doctrine is going to be found in a particular congregation of believers, so in addition to the Bible, you also must conform your beliefs to this."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nOnly Jews and Protestants dichotomize mercy and righteousness, to Christian these qualities are the same."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nUh, no?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>Psalm 85:10 - \"Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed.\"\n>Micah 6:8 - \"He has shown you, O man, what is good; And what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God?\"\n>Psalm 33:5 - \"He loves righteousness and justice; The earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.\"\n>Proverbs 21:3 - \"To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.\"\n>Isaiah 30:18 - \"Therefore the Lord will wait, that He may be gracious to you; And therefore He will be exalted, that He may have mercy on you. For the Lord is a God of justice\"\nYes"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\n>The apostles are dead.\nGod is not the God of the dead, but of the living.\n\n>Do you not believe in any ongoing congregation that has kept to the teaching of the apostles whose doctrine is normative?\nSure, and they are build on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone.\n\n>So this is one extra-biblical tradition, one which you keep and hold to I might add.\nI don't accept those who add apocrypha as inspired scripture, so this isn't what you seem to be describing it as. For instance, for me when I read and believed God's word, I did not have this realization just because someone told me it was, but it was the grace bestowed on me to recognize the voice of the Creator, and that's why I believed. In the Gospel of John, Jesus said, \"Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.\" Just as it was all the way back then, those who heard Jesus' word believed Him. Now it's contained in the Gospel for anyone who will believe.\n\n\"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,\"\n- Revelation 14:6\n\n\"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.\n16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.\"\n- Mark 16:15-16\n\n\"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.\"\n- Revelation 22:17"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>131\n>Equally absurd is it to suggest that the Bible admits a certain exegesis.\nThere is only one truth, and one interpretation. As it says in 2 Peter 1:20, \"no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.\"\n>So you see, you are bound to extra-biblical tradition, and cannot escape it.\nI don't see it, anon.\n\n>And it’s incumbent on you to follow the extra-biblical tradition of the apostles.\nWhat did the actual apostles say, though? Paul wrote, in 2 Timothy 3:16-17\n\n\"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:\nThat the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.\"\n(2 Tim. 3:16-17)\n\nAnd in Acts 20:32–\n\n\"And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.\"\n(Acts 20:32)\n\n\"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.\"\n(1 Thess. 2:13)\n\nSo we see that it is the word of God that is sufficient and works effectually in those that believe. Furthermore, see what the Bible actually says in 1 Peter as yet another confirmation of this:\n\n\"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.\n24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:\n25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.\"\n\nSo you see that it is the word of God which is incorruptible, not the word of man. It is the word of God which endures forever, which never changes. This is true very specifically of the LORD's word, not of man's word."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\n>>So you see that it is the word of God which is incorruptible, not the word of man. It is the word of God which endures forever, which never changes. This is true very specifically of the LORD's word, not of man's word.\nAnd to add on to this, see what John wrote in the first epistle regarding the difference in value between the inspired word and manmade words.\n\n\"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.\n10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.\"\n(1 John 5:9-10)\n\nSo we see that the witness of God is greater than the witness of man, and it is of greater consequence and importance, being incorruptible and immutable, as well as being sufficient as an authority for all of the doctrinal concerns we need it for.\n\n\"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.\"\n(Isaiah 55:11)"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>135\n>Sure\nAn ongoing congregation that has kept to the teaching of the apostles whose doctrine is normative?\n\nIs it binding on believers to conform their beliefs to their doctrine?\n\n>the canon was revealed to me by grace and that’s how I know\nWhy should I accept your private revelation about what the canon is?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\n>Why should I accept your private revelation about what the canon is?\nWell, if you look into what the Bible says as God's word, you will see for yourself its divine qualities.\n\nLike I said, I didn't take someone else's word for it, I read it for myself to see. Neither do you need to take someone else's word, especially on the internet or anywhere else.\n\n>An ongoing congregation that has kept to the teaching of the apostles whose doctrine is normative?\nYeah, the teaching of the apostles in the Bible, anon.\n>Is it binding on believers to conform their beliefs to their doctrine?\nTo God's doctrine? Yes. Why wouldn't it be if it's the word of God for the entire world? It's as simple as this:\n\n\"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.\n16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.\"\n(Mark 16:15-16)"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>136\n>There is only one truth, and one interpretation\nSince when did the truth only ever admit one interpretation? A car crash happens in front of five people; there will be five different accounts. The car crash was true. Interpretations inevitably follow the truth.\n>we see that it is the word of God that is sufficient and works effectually in those that believe\nThe word of God effectually results in a church of true believers, with a particular doctrine. Is it not incumbent on us to conform our beliefs to this doctrine? This is the point.\n\nBtw, there is no scriptural proof of “sola scriptura”. If there were, this would be much easier.\n>we see that the witness of God is greater than the witness of man\nNothing I have said implies otherwise. Everything I “preach” has to do with submitting to the Spirit’s teaching through the church (not through any one prophet, I might add).\n\n>Isaiah 55:11\nOld Testament quotes are particularly unconvincing when it comes to the sufficiency of scripture. Otherwise, not a single Jew would be lost."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n>Since when did the truth only ever admit one interpretation?\n\n\"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:\nKnowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.\nFor the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.\"\n- 2 Peter 1:19-21"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>139\n>Well, if you look into what the Bible says as God's word, you will see for yourself its divine qualities\nScripture contains proof that your private canon is the universal one? It’s a remarkable statement. Do you know how hard the canon actually was to hammer out and finalize?\n>the teaching of the apostles in the Bible, anon\nThe Bible is not a congregation. I am saying that today, God has promised a congregation that has kept to the teaching of the apostles, whose doctrine is normative."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nI would have preferred you focus on “The word of God effectually results in a church of true believers, with a particular doctrine. Is it not incumbent on us to conform our beliefs to this doctrine? This is the point.”"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nNothing to disagree with there.\n\n\"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:\nThat the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.\"\n(2 Tim. 3:16-17)"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nYou and many others unironically believe that the doctrine of the true church which we all must conform to is “the Bible as I privately experience it”.\n\nI enjoyed this conversation, seeya around"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nIf that was really the case, why would it say this?\n\n\"For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.\"\n(Ephes. 2:18)\n\nGod bless you anon."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>134\nSo is God not perfectly merciful, then?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are the Ossetians the descendants of the Alans and Sarmatians? It is possible that they will become independent from the Slavs"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hope for Independent ossetia soon, not because of the scythian bs, but bcuz theyre pagan"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Cлaвa Aбхaзий! и Южнoй oceтий!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>pagan\nHere your rainbow flag"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>rainbow flag\nHere a drawing of an ossetian cavalryman"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Are the Ossetians the descendants of the Alans and Sarmatians?\nMaybe partially.\n>It is possible that they will become independent from the Slavs\nVery unlikely. Russia backs the Ossetian separatists in Georgia, so its unlikely that Ossetians in Russia will bite the hand that feeds them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Very unlikely. Russia backs the Ossetian separatists in Georgia, so its unlikely that Ossetians in Russia will bite the hand that feeds them.\nThere actually 2 Ossetians regions."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are the closest modern linguistic relatives to the alans and sarmatians. The Alan kingdom used to control the majority of North Caucasus, including Ossetia, so it’s very likely that they’re the direct descendants.\n\n>It is possible that they will become independent from the Slavs\nNo, Ossetia is one of the most loyal regions to Russia. Separatism in Russia died with the Chechen wars, and all of the ethnic republics are pro Kremlin and are extremely nationalistic."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Separatism in Russia died with the Chechen wars,\n>says he while Chechen separatists gainning more and more international supportm combat experience and access to NATO weapon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>but bcuz theyre pagan\nhow so\nToday, the majority of Ossetians from both North and South Ossetia follow Eastern Orthodoxy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nTheyre like 30% pagan, 40% christian"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>he doesnt know\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assianism"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenetically they're most similar to other northern caucasian populations. Even their language and culture is heavily influenced by local caucasian counterparts."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThose are very small insignificant groups, the majority of chechens are pro putin and russia."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>the majority of chechens are pro putin and russia.\nLMAO.\nIs there are any chances you are russian?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nNobody asked about genes, sperg"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>>14\nliterally in 2015 there were still attacks in moscow and the emirate of the Caucasus was still active In addition, members of the Islamic State still persist in the Caucasus"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nOP literally asked about descent"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nDescent is irrelevant to genetics"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Are the Ossetians the descendants of the Alans and Sarmatians?\nGenes are parts of /his/ now. Humanitiescucks lost"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\n>wrong grammar\n>uses Russian instead of Ossetian or Abkhazian\nngmi\n>>4\n>pagans\n>rainbow flags\n?\n>>6\n>Ossetians\n>Separatists\nUkrainians are also separatists then, since they should be a part of Russia the same way Ossetians and Abkhazians should be a part of Gogistan."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nslavs are their closest relatives after kurds"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nukrainians never forcefully cleansed other native group while groups you mentioned did, plus theyre recent migrants."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>ukrainians never forcefully cleansed other native group while groups you mentioned did,\nLOL"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>ukrainians never forcefully cleansed other native groups\n>who are Crimean tatars\n>who are Russians(albeit genetically they're indistinguishable from one another, I still count them as different peoples)\n>who are Poles\n>who are Jews\n>groups you mentioned did, plus theyre recent migrants.\nthey aren't and even if they were 'recent migrants' that doesn't justify the war Gogis waged on them."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>ukrainians never forcefully cleansed other native group\nI'd also like to hear what Hungarians, Romanians and Rusyns from the western and south-western part of Ukraine have to say about that."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nRetarded nigger"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>they aren't and even if they were 'recent migrants' that doesn't justify the war Gogis waged on them\nIt was them that waged war against Georgians like good kremlin puppies they are. no theyre fighting in ukraine."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>It was them that waged war against Georgians\nGood one kikeshvili"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nYes, it is a good one. Truth cuts both ways and parasitic behavior never lasts. Said minor groups are no exception."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\n>ukrainians never forcefully cleansed other native group while groups you mentioned did\nyou forgot about the crimean tartars and hungarians?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere's that vid of the cute Osesstian girls ragging on the Jew in webcam.\nThey say they're the real Aryans."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>8\n>and all of the ethnic republics are pro Kremlin and are extremely nationalistic.\nLol no\nChechnya is so pro-russian that appointed by Russia ruler had to keep it under permanent quasi-Martial Law and keep population poor as fuck to make most of them more dependable on wealth-redistribution.\nAll while russian cops had to bring APC to close village mosque in Ural."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\nSeethe"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>14\nyou meant the majority of kadyrovites are pro putin and russia, those are probably 20-50k people max. Most chechens despise russians and russia, the hate is on a genetic level. Not to mention the 2 midgets (putin and kadyrov), any non kadyorivte chechen would kill them on sight given the chance."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Without the guidance of the Ottoman Caliphs, Islam became dominated by autistic Wahhabis/Salafis who removed all the soul and intellect from the religion. How can we reverse this tragedy, bros?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "there havent been any real caliphs after the rashidun (ruler of secular and religious). the umayads and abbasids caliph ruled the secular path but not the religious and the ottoman \"caliph\" has neither"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nUmayyads did rule religuously. Their title was Khalifat Allah.\nSee God's Caliph."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ottoman empire was an extremely decadent and corrupt empire, most of its institutions were inefficient and backwards due to neglect from the government. They diverted most of their resources to military conquest at the cost of both human capital and finance. The whole thing was held with a duct tape, and there was a major crisis in almost every sultan’s reign. Their fall didn't doom islam, their rise did."}, {"id": 5, "content": "The Ottoman Sultan barely gave a single fuck about the Caliphate. It was just another prestigious title. Probably even below his Roman Empire larp."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "TENNO HEIKA... BANZAI"}, {"id": 2, "content": "sovl alone cannot win"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In the closing stages of World War II, Imperial Japan created the Chiran Nadeshiko (Ladies of Chiran) Units. A bunch of middle-school and high school girls served as surrogate \"little sisters,\" providing housekeeping and company for transient pilots at Chiran Airbase in Kagoshima Prefecture, during the brief periods between their arrival from training bases elsewhere and their departure on their fatal missions. The unit was highly publicized at the time but growing close to so many young men (some being almost the same age as them) that were sent off to die in \"Kamikaze\" attacks took its toll on the girls, so the project was ultimately pulled. Their story can be found in books like BLOSSOMS IN THE WIND: Human Legacies of the Kamikaze, by M.G. Sheftall., or Tokkou no Machi: Chiran by Sanae Satou."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nhttps://youtu.be/XsMuMGZAa9g?t=3859 [Embed]\n>schoolgirls\n>cherry blossoms\n>war revisionism\n>commemorating war crimes\n>suicide\nThis is the most Japanese thing I've ever seen."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAsians don't have souls."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTENTACLE HENTAI BONSAAIIIIII"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nkino always wins(big bomb)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"I don't wanna Banzai anymore. I just want to be happy.\""}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n\"You will die for the Emperor, you coward\""}, {"id": 10, "content": "Blocks your path"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nMe on the bottom right about to crash like an idiot in any game with planes"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\njaps do. not chinks."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nLmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>jap brainwashed suicide GOOD\n>chink brainwashed suicide BAD\nExplain"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nName 1 Chink who had enough sovl to suicide.\nHardmode: He can't have been been facing a fate worse than death if he hadn't"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJaps used to be Al Qaeda-tier fanatics."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>suicide\n>sovl\ngo ahead and anhero. If not you’re as soulless as an asiatic bugman. Hurry up"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nretard"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nThey can't suicide because of the nets. Also they get liveleak'd instead."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So what would they say in old Obituaries if someone was straight but never married?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntheres only two reasons you didnt marry in old times. youre a monk or youre a flaming homosexual."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOr you died on the battlefield before you captured your wife."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou could also be impotent"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConfirmed bachelor was a popular phrasing. Though I think it was also a euphemism for being a faggot."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Herein lies a wise soul who didn't worship pussy and transcended us all"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>captured your wife.\nmarriages were considered diplomatic bonds between families until enlightenment era, therefore i dont think capturing wives in war was a common thing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were Amerimutts in Vietnam?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why are we in Vietnam?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "What was Mailer's problem?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why were Amerimutts in Vietnam?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Was Mailer in Vietnam?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nyes. he went to the Sheraton for two weeks all inclusive"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Fighting germans good fighting anyone else bad"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause France was going to throw a hissy fit and suck big russian cock if papa America didnt bail their ass out again (because they already lost Algeria and were going to lose Suez)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nAnd that's a bad thing because...? In retrospect, I think we all see that the American experiment was a failure, r-right?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>France losing Algeria before Vietnam"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nWhy are commies so delusional?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\ncommunism was contained and we won the cold war overall. Besides, Vietnam and China are communist-in-name only now."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nnotice how neither of them disputed my claim. America has failed and there's no way to deny that.\n>b-but we won the cold war\nYeah, you also won ww2. How's that working out for ya? See you on the other side, yanks"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nDespite being a pretty good writer he was desperate to be Hemingway and was only half as talented, on top of growing up in a time where men like Hemingway were not really acceptable anymore, at least in critical and popular circles he moved in."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nNo but he was in the Philippines during WWII"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Why am I in Vietnam?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo defend the Republic Vietnam from communist imperialism. The US was once a colony itself, they are dyed in the wool anti-imperialists."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\n>China are communist-in-name only now\n\nDenial or Bargaining?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nCope commie tard"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nDepends on whether your a rightoid or a leftist. Or actually it doesn't.\n\n>When china does something le bad they're communists because communism is when government does bad things.\n>When china does something le good for their own interests they're not real communists because we can't imply that it's working."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt's a fascist state, there's no ambiguity."}, {"id": 22, "content": "communism needed sorting"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe're friends now, it's fine."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is JFK such a fondly remembered president? Did he even accomplish anything?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe probably fucked your momma's momma"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe wasn't a Freemason like the rest."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKennedy was more successful in death than he ever could have dreamed of being in life. Kennedy was the icon of youth in the new decade of the 1960s; his inauguration speech declared his election to be \"the passing of the torch of liberty to a new generation of Americans\". He was the representation of a blank canvas for which the post-war generation could shape the world as they see fit, that they could rise up and meet the challenges of the Cold War era. People loved Kennedy not for what he did, but for what he represented. He had an enormous cult of personality surrounding him.\n\nThen he was assassinated, quite violently, in public and broad daylight. This was devastating for the American people, it was like 9/11 where society came to a halt for next couple days. This only did more to advance his image and what he represented.\n\nMany of the grand accomplishments of the 1960's were done in the memory of Kennedy. One can argue that civil rights, the moon landing, investments in education, all can be attributed to men who wanted to carry on Kennedy's legacy.\n\nLike many great men of history who have cults of personality around them, very few remember what Kennedy actually did as President (apart from the Cuban Missile Crisis). They remember how he made them feel. To quote the movie \"Bad Times at the El Royale\", \"Sometimes the memory of a man is more important than the man himself\"."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tge nigga who fucked some blonde bimbo and got shot was more recognizable to Millenials than the guys who won WW2 and guys who lost Vietnam\n\nLmao. No wonder they all got duped into taking mountains of debt, addicted to capeshit, and psyop'd into becoming trannies. They literally got all their knowledge about the world from pop culture."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThis, I refuse to believe Gerald \"Yes I was a President\" Ford is more recognizable than Nixon or Truman"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbasically every american has seen footage of JFK's head exploding. not something anyone forgets."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is JFK such a fondly remembered president?\nHe died halfway through his first term. He never had the chance to commit all the second term atrocities presidents do when they don't need to care about elections anymore.\nAlso he was killed in office. Martyrs are always remembered fondly."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>more millennials recognize Ford than Truman or Nixon\nI absolutely refuse to believe this."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is JFK such a fondly remembered president?\nBecause any politician who dies from being assassinated is almost instantly deified due to the constant onslaught of the media.\nIt's the same thing over most of the west. Even people who actively fucked over their own nations keep getting documentaries every couple of years."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Because any politician who dies from being assassinated is almost instantly deified due to the constant onslaught of the media.\nNo one even remembers two of the US Presidents who were assassinated (Garfield and McKinley). Just Lincoln and Kennedy. People don't even mention Teddy Roosevelt almost being assassinated either. He got shot in the chest on the campaign trail and literally went to finish his speech for the crowd. \"It takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose.\" Most based US President moment ever and few talk about it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>and few talk about it\nYou're the eight Rooseveltfag I saw talking about it this year alone."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAh shit. I'm not a regular. Just meant in the general \"annals of American history\" sense. It's just not mentioned much."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Wtf how is Nixon not memorable."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIt's ok. Roosevelt is cool indeed, albeit overrated.\nY'know, I'm a huezilian from Mato Grosso, when he came here to roleplay as a Explorer in the amazon he stayed and hunted in the plantation of a great-great-grandsire of mine."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>almost\nReagan was almost assassinated too.\nAs for the others i'd caveat it as being a product of television media so people born prior to it being widespread aren't as relevant.\nOutside the US we have multiple dead politicians and they always immediately turn into martyrs and saints even if everyone knows they were actually unusually corrupt even by our standards."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe died in office and wanted to get us on the moon. Dying in office is genuinely the best way to leave a good reputation."}, {"id": 18, "content": "he was young, good looking, and a representative of the generational shift to boomers. He also died tragically. The kennedy family reminds you of an older better america, and they named it camelot because kennedys were the closest thing at the time to an american monarchy\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVOJla2vYx8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is JFK such a fondly remembered president?\ngot shot"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits due to several factors\n>being young and charismatic\n>getting assassinated which always brings up approval ratings\n>flip flopping on several issues to the point every political autist can claim he was totally going to implament his politics even if JFK never actually supported that decision"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nNobody remembers William Harrison that fondly if they remember him at all."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nReagan's assassination attempt was very influential because it was probably the #1 thing that made the media go easy on him when he started out as basically the 80's equivalent of drumph for American liberals."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should the punishment fit the crime or should the rehabilitation fit the offender?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Criminals should be sent to harsh labour camps for life. Stole a candy bar? Off to Auschwitz you go. This would drastically reduce crime rates and also force criminals to become productive, though unwilling, members of society."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>I'm already receiving life in a labor camp for stealing a candy bar? Might as well murder and rape.\nGood thing grand strategy incels aren't in charge of the criminal justice system"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat has historically never happened and still doesn't in countries with harsh criminal punishments like the DPRK"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThere is absolutely no way that that has historically never happened. There's even an entire chinese tale about a subject who sucessfully rebelled against his lord because he was going to receive the death penalty either way. This is why the punishment is proportional to the crime in every justice system, including North Korea."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on the seriousness of the crime. If there's a specific aggrieved party and especially if the offense is something premeditated or consistent, punishment serves to prevent vigilantism and deter future crimes. But not all criminals are beyond the reach of rehabilitation."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow about instead of focusing on the criminal we focus on society. What are the implications of sending the guy back among the public vs life in prison or death?\nI don't care about what happens to a murderer as long as he can't hurt anyone again. Itdshould just be the least expensive option that achhieves that objective."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nSo anyways, why shouldn't a person commit serious crime while he still can if he is already receiving the maximum punishment for petty crime?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the crime was violent than it should be eye for and eye\n\nOtherwise have them pay a fine proportional to the damages"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nIt absolutely did happen, but the proportionality doesn't matter. The issue is thinking your life is over, regardless of what caused it or how fair it was.\nIt's not just about life either, how many people thought they were gonna get fired so they fucked shit up all around out of spite?\nIt's just something you have to accept, the alternative is to comminate punishments that won't doscourage anyone from committing crimes anyway."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone who participates in mindless violent acts like the knockout game should be seen as demons and we ought to make sure they suffer as much"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nOr you could simply have the punishment fit the crime, which is what literally every justice system."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhy?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nLol the knockout game is not too bad as far as violent crimes go"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nLol sheltered zoomie\nLook up Dean Corll or Theresa Knorr if you want to learn about gruesome crimes."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nSeriously, why though?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>have the punishment fit the crime\nThe problem is that this means jack fucking shit., it's 100% subjective.\nHard punishments make murderers desperate regardless of their being commensurate to the crime, while light punishments don't even discourage weed dealing.\nYou're going to have to choose anyway. Which way are you gonna go?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nReminder that the knockout game was a 2012 thing and anyone who still thinks about it is a confirmed NPC stuck in an infinite loop."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRehabilitation with restorative justice, or death sentence. Those are the only 2 options."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nThis. The commies were right. Gulag for everyone."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nYou want to kill me and my family because some assholes in Philadelphia committed a crime? Is that really all it takes for you /pol/fags to run out and murder random black elders & children?\n\nGet a life you sad pathetic loser"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHe's psychotic, anon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do history teachers always give so much credit to the Chinese?\n\n>Greek fire & clay and glass grenades from Byzantine Syria (incendiary weapons that pre-dated black powder)\n>parchment (used by the Greeks before the first Chinese method of manufacturing paper using different fibers; made from animal hide; see picrel)\n>Neanderthals in France back in 50,000 BC beat the chinks at textiles\n>stencils (first method of printing used in cave paintings well before the Chinese woodblock printing method was ever introduced)\n>Etruscans invented pasta (Testaroli)\n\nThere literally isn't a single thing that the Chinese did that Europeans didn't do better. Why is China a 2nd world shithole if they're so smart?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://www.medievalists.net/2022/11/origins-gunpowder-age/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Greek fire\nNothing to do with gunpowder.\n\n>parchment\nExtremely expensive to produce compared to paper.\n\n>stencils\nThat's not printing.\n\nMedieval/Renaissance Europe did do these thing better than China; they developed better gunpowder weapons, more efficient paper mills, and far more efficient printing using the mechanical press. But they still did these things later than China, and aside from printing they were all adopted from China."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nare you really implying parchment is better than fucking paper? then why didn't your current school use parchment then?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n\nWhy does the origin of gunpowder- a well documented history- make medievalists seethe so much?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Based. Fuck the working class, they're degenerate scum."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck communism. Hitler did nothing wrong."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nYour IP has been noted, scum. :)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou IP has been noted, as well...\n;-)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnigga i bet you work at walmart"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI live off neetbux"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>lol you shit in boxes\n>says the shiteater"}, {"id": 8, "content": "good luck getting actual work done without proles to do it anon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBetter than living in any native-run African... Well, not \"state\"obviously, but tribal jurisdiction of that time...or today."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIf you have to compare yourself to and set the bar at Africa to look good, then your country is a shithole."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Scum, maybe, but degenerate? The working class? Degenerate? You ever see what happens to a society that decides it's working class is expendable? The state equivalent of gout."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey look like monkeys"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf the working class is degenerate then what do you call this"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "does anyone believe they will go to hell? I feel like people either believe they will go to Heaven, or they believe places like heaven and hell don't exist"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo sane human being who truly believes in the hell of islam and christianity would want to go in there.As for most people they just don't care about it so it's irrelevant if they claim to wanna go in there"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe everyone in this thread will go to hell. Except for me"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFear of hell kept me a Christian for several years after it stopped making sense to me, so it has to exist to some extent.\n\nAlso, not sure how much this would mean they actually believed it, but I remember hearing about some pagan kings in Europe (600s-800s) who flirted with converting to Christianity, but decided against it because if they went to heaven they would be separated from their ancestors, who would be in hell according to Christianity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”\nHas there always been a case of boomers complaining about advancing tech and how \"lazy\" the current generation?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut this quote comes from Socrates near the end of the Peloponnesian war, in which Athens absolutely did get butt fucked and the later generations were lazy fucks that did nothing of note."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIsn't the point that there's many historical similarities between now and back then involving generational disputes?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a guy one time said a thing that a guy today said so therefore it's always been a thing everyone is saying at all times"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFake quote btw"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">You see, the book of Job shows that, no matter how wrong he may seem, god is always just and is above our unde-\n>DISGUSTING!!!! A prophet marrying a 9 year old?! Who could believe this shit?! This stuff is obviously evil!!!\nWhy do Christians use arguments against islam that can be made against themselves? Do they lack the ability to think critically?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam thinks it's the arm of God himself. They're also retarded and inbred, so they're not even human.\nThat's not even close to the same thing as God directly intervening."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMary was 12 years old when God impregnated her and was married off to joseph"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christians (not catholics) are against child abuse\n>Surprised when they're appalled when there's child abuse.\nwhoa"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBut slaughtering and dashing a child’s head against a rock is fine, right?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're a Muslim, try to remember to censor the eyes when you post memes like this. I do it a lot too so not trying to be holier than thou but it's bad to post them if the eyes aren't censored.\n\nBut to answer your question, I think we have to remember how thoroughly modern Christianity has been defeated by and integrated into secular modernity. For many of these people, anything that seems vaguely \"traditional\" in a Western context will get associated with Christianity even if it really has more to do with liberalism. So sometimes they think they're defending Christianity when they're really defending the force that ended Christianity's hegemonic cultural role. And for a lot of others, probably less people on here than on /pol/ but it'll be some, Christianity is more of a signifier of some secular political position than it is a faith that determines all aspects of their outlook and life."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n*signifier of or complement to\nFor example, in an American context, Christianity for Republican evangelicals mostly revolves around supporting Republican politics and we actually have Christian polling data showing that they don't have much of an idea what they believe doctrinally (https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/10/survey-finds-american-christians-actually-heretics/). Similar thing for what are called \"mainline Protestants\" on the Democratic side of things, their Christianity revolves around social programs, tolerance of minorities and so on. In both cases religion is used to provide a gloss for secular political agendas and activities rather than something that stands on its own two feet and has its own agenda apart from the secular paradigm.\n\nThis is 4chan so you're probably running into as many or more Integralists and Nazis and Pinochet guys than you are McCain or Clinton fans but it's the same thing there. How many /pol/ Christians started at Christianity and were led via their understanding of Christianity to support far right politics? A lot less than the amount that went the other way, that got into far right politics and then adopted Christianity, or some semblance of it, because Christianity is \"trad\"."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do Christians use arguments against islam that can be made against themselves?\nWhich prophet of God married a 9 year old girl?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nWhat's your take on Midianite child sex slaves?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally yes, religion is opposed to critical thinking, diametrically."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're right. Sacrificing virgin children to Moloch is just fine. Thanks, Schlomo."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad was a man, not God."}, {"id": 13, "content": "The difference is the source. Joshua warring for God's work or Peter sending people to hell. Who told you? Who authorized you? If it is God, then they had to be tested if God's hand was really on them. Hmm? If it is the lusts of the flesh or serving fallen spirits, then things start making sense now huh? A clear conscience before God vs creating a false god based on a man's image. Jesus is the only way, the Christ."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">God gets to decide what's right and wrong because you can't argue with God.\n>Okay.\n>I also find child rape to be disgusting and unethical. I don't like it when people rape children and would prefer them to stop.\n>Wooooooooooooooooow, really? Fucking hypocrite Christians."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nJesus was Jewish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Maryland has executed five people in the modern era of criminal justice. The third one was Tyrone Gilliam for a brutal 1988 murder-robbery.\n\nOn the afternoon of December 2, 1988, Gilliam and two friends, a pair of brothers named Kelvin and Delano \"Tony\" Drummond, were hanging out in Gilliam's apartment and using a large quantity of marijuana, alcohol, and cocaine. Gilliam owned a pump action Winchester shotgun and they began talking about going out and \"killing a bitch.\" The three went out the next morning in a 1985 Chevy Nova that they'd stolen earlier in the week. Each was wearing a stolen snowsuit and gloves taken from a sporting goods store Kelvin had recently burglarized. Gilliam carried the sawed-off shotgun inside his snowsuit.\n\nThey stopped at a friend's apartment in Hartford County and smoked some weed. Around 6:00 PM they drove off; with the short December daylight it was now completely dark as Gilliam put on the car's emergency lights outside a townhouse development to make it look like he was in trouble. They watched a man drive past them. Gilliam motioned to his companions to not bother with him. Around 7:45, an '84 Nissan Sentra pulled up. The driver was a young lady, 21 year old Christine Doerfler, and she was visiting her sister who lived in the townhouse complex. Gilliam nodded and remarked that this was the victim they wanted.\n\nAs Christine was getting out of her car, Tyrone and Tony jumped out, forced her into her car, and to drive down Bel Air Road while Kelvin followed behind them. After driving for a little bit, they stopped behind a Channel store. Tony got out and reported that Christine had no cash on her but she had a Signet ATM card. They got back in the two cars and went around to look for a Signet bank. Eventually they turned into Town & Country at the end of Gum Spring Road in Baltimore County."}, {"id": 2, "content": "They stopped there. Tony got out and took Christine's car keys. He and Kelvin went in the Nova, leaving Christine alone with Gilliam. They sat in the Nova conversing and waiting for Gilliam to join them. A minute or so later, Kelvin looked up and noticed Gilliam standing outside the Sentra on the driver's side. He was saying something to Christine, shotgun in one arm. Kelvin turned to light a cigarette and then \"That is when I heard this loud bang. You could see the flash. When I turned around, I couldn't see the girl. I could just see her hair and the coat. She was like face first into the steering wheel.\" Gilliam got into the Nova with the other two and they drove off. he said \"I had to kill her because she saw my face.\" The entire heist left a woman dead and netted all of $3 in cash.\n\nTwo days later, Trooper Gary Kulick of the Maryland state police heard over the radio that something happened near his patrol and to look out for two vehicles on Route 40. He quickly stopped them, an '82 Camry sedan and an '86 Dodge Colt. They were driving in tandem around 50 mph and slightly below the speed limit. Kulick positioned his police car so the approaching vehicles wouldn't see him. Then he got a broadcast informing him of the Colt's license plate number. He radioed the police dispatcher that he'd seen them and requested backup."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Deputy Buchannan of the Hartford County Sheriff's Department arrived and motioned for the Colt to pull over. It did and Kelvin Drummond was arrested. The camry however took off in a high speed chase that ended when the car was unable to pass a pickup truck, spun around, and crashed into the median retainer wall. Inside was Tyrone Gilliam, who was banged up and bleeding a bit. Inside the car was a loaded sawed off shotgun. Gilliam was taken to a hospital and treated for a laceration to the forehead. At first he denied shooting Christine Doerfler in the back of the head but ultimately confessed to it and that he and his partners had been in a frantic search for drug money, but insisted he hadn't meant to kill the victim and it was a horrible accident.\n\nHe was found guilty of first degree murder, kidnapping, robbery, and use of a deadly weapon in commission of a crime and sentenced to death October 30, 1989. Gillam had waived his right to a jury trial so the judge alone was responsible for ruling him guilty. He spent nine years on Maryland's death row while the Drummond brothers received life in prison for being accomplices to murder. Judge John Fader was used to handling family law and only dealt with two other first degree murder cases in his career; in both of those he sentenced the defendents to life in prison and did not impose the death penalty. The circumstances surrounding the way that Gilliam had callously put a shotgun shell into the back of a young woman's head for the robbery of $3 had moved his decision."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Two female acquaintances of Gilliam and the Drummonds, Arneisha James and Lisa Brown, testified that they had visited the apartment shortly before the murder took place and did not see any indication that Gilliam was intoxicated or impaired, ruling out his claim that he was \"high as a kite\" and therefore not responsible for his actions. Interviews with prison psychiatrists attempted to get a picture of his early life and what led to him ending up on Maryland's death row.\n\nGilliam, aged 32 when the murder was committed, had an unstable upbringing and from early childhood witnessed his parents engaged in extremely violent arguments. They separated when he was 4 years old and he moved around with his mother and sister frequently through his childhood. He spent a lot of time at his grandmother's house and his step-grandfather was also a violent man who beat his wife, children, and grandchildren. Tyrone was also molested repeatedly by his step-grandfather and a babysitter.\n\nHe met the executioner's needle on November 16, 1998. Judge Fader said he had no regrets about sentencing him to death. Gilliam had turned down a last meal; in prison he had converted to the Nation of Islam and met with his spiritual advisor Ashiddi Muhammed prior to the execution. A crowd of 60 people protested the execution outside, including his father Tyrone Sr. who declared \"Although this may silence him, don't let his life stop the struggle.\""}, {"id": 5, "content": "Maryland abolished capital punishment in 2013. A total of 155 executions were carried out in the state's history, beginning in 1638 when a man named Thomas Smith was hanged for piracy. While various methods such as gibbeting and burning were used in colonial Maryland, hanging was the only method used since US independence. Executions were often public spectacles and took place in a carnival atmosphere. The state took over executions from the county level in 1923, performed them inside the prison walls away from public view, and did 80 of them until capital punishment was suspended in Furman v. Georgia. Sixty four of the persons executed during this time were African-Americans. There are botched executions recorded, such as when an African-American man named Jack Johnson was hanged for murder in 1930. The rope broke, he went limp but was still breathing so a new rope was obtained and the hanging re-tried, this time successfully. The gas chamber was introduced to replace hangings in the 1950s but only four persons, all of them African-American, were executed before Furman suspended capital punishment. Critics lamentably pointed out that the death penalty was disproportionately handed down when the crime involved the murder of a white person by an African-American, much like was the case with Tyrone Gilliam and Christine Doerfler."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Baltimore County\nNo surprise. Baltimore City's shittiness spills outwards, and the city got worse starting around the 80s I think."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nFuture mass shooter detected."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nnot that cute"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nApparently the murder weapon was a 20 gauge so it was a pretty small wound to her head, not like her brains getting splattered everywhere."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>why yes I’m not an American, how could you tell?\n\nThat’s 16mm round julio"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\ni know Kurt Cobain killed himself with a 20 gauge. a lot of people think it was some horrible gorefest but actually he just had a small head wound."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\nand OP thank you for reminding us of how horrible '80s cars were. nobody needs to remember that any of these vehicles existed."}, {"id": 13, "content": "DINDU"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">nignogs kill somebody for 3 dollars\nlol"}, {"id": 15, "content": "NOI is a crackpot black supremacist cargo cult and has nothing to actually do with the Islamic religion."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt's Christian theology (with its founder playing the role of Christ) with a buch of Arabic names applied to everything."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>forced her into her car, and to drive down Bel Air Road\n\nDid their license plate say \"FRESH\" and have dice in the mirror?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there any evidence for Livia being a murdering yet patient harlot who saught to replace Augustus' favorite heirs for her own son?\nHow different would things be (immediately, not in the entirety of these 2000 years that transpired) had Augustus be succeded by someone that wasnt Tiberius?\nWho would be the best suitable sucessor and when was the best moment for Augustus to die/retire?\nFor me, the best were, in the following order:\n>Drusus\n>Germanicus\n>Marcelus\n>Posthumus\n>Agripa\n>Gaius\n>Lucius\nI do sympathize with some extent tho."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>sympathize with Tiberius to some extent tho\nGrr posted before finishing the last line."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Is there any evidence for Livia\nNo\nImagine believing invented histories like 'classical' 'antiquity'"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI do have the gut feeling history was shorter, are you one of these tartarian guys? Care to elaborate on your claims?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Livia was based."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there any evidence for Livia being a murdering yet patient harlot who saught to replace Augustus' favorite heirs for her own son?\nRobert Graves connected with the ghost of Claudius. Im not joking."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nElaborate."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">control half of Europe and ME\n>Large agrarian population skilled in farming\n>Have some of the worlds most fertile areas(danube valley, literal fertile crescent)\n>Dont import food from overseas, so anglo blockade shouldnt affect food supply\n>Still starve and surrender because of soldiers are mutineering due to starvation\n\nPathetic"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What are you fucking talking about\nCentral Europe has never been food self-sustaining. Not then. Not now.\n\nOnce the Germans were under a continental blockade in both world wars it was a ticking chock before food rations and starvation."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nEntire central europe is extremely fertile black soil, meanwhile the baltic plain is perfect for rye and potato growing. .It could absolutely sustain the population there. Also the fertile crescent and the levant had even better fertility. Show me proof that the central powers depended on the US and britain for food imports before the war"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>The danube basin wasnt self sustaining"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>1 (OP)\n>>4\nIf it had been self-sustaining then they would not have surrendered because of a blockage you donkeys.\n\nt. NTA"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nPopulation density, soil exhaustion and cash cropping you absolute mongoloid.\nTobacco growth grew during the war In Germany. Duh."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Show me proof that the central powers depended on the US and britain for food imports before the war\nNot sure about the US, but Germans imported a lot of foodstuffs (mostly wheat and beef) from Argentina before the beginning of WW1. 16% of the country's export trade, which at the time was one of the largest food world exporters.\n\nA lot of that shifted to Britain in 1914 when the continental blockade was enforced, and even further in 1917 after the German subs had sunk a number of Argentine merchant ships, which caused Argentina to provide economic assistance to the Allies in the form of interest-free loans.\n\nhttps://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0188-77422014000200003"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n\nHes a retard. He thinks the allied blockade meant Germany could not trade with only USA and Britain,"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where did Origen go wrong that his thoughts were completely disagreed upon in the councils? I only read Augustine so far and will go to Origen and Justin Martyr next, but I have no idea what specifically was so \"wrong\" in his work.\n\nCan you elucidate this? Also what do modern Theologians or Apostolic Priests (Orthodox, Catholic) think of Origen?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReincarnation/preexistence of souls and universal salvation. And yet he was the teacher of many great saints. St. Gregory of Nyssa (one of my personal favorites) and even St. Jerome, for example. St. John Chrysostom was ousted from his bishop's seat in Constantinople because of \"slander\" from the Patriarch of Alexandria of Chrysostom's ties to schools tied to Origen. St. Jerome strongly denounced any association later in life. Probably to escape the same treatment."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI forgot to answer the last question. David Bentley Hart is an Orthodox writer (a bit beating to the tune of his own drum) and subtly moving in Origen's direction by teaching Universal Salvation.\nBut I'll tell you who really carried his mantle, unknowingly: Edgar Cayce. And the \"Christ Mind\" type of talk in the New Age movement, all of whom teach some sort of Christianity with an reincarnation element. And that all will ultimately be saved, through many trials.\nOrigen also can't be totally blamed for it. He started with scripture, where Jesus said that John the Baptist was the very reappearance of Elijah who was to precede the Messiah. But Elijah never truly died like regular men, so it's up for interpretation if that means the same thing Origen thought."}, {"id": 4, "content": "He really looks like a Wojak in there."}, {"id": 5, "content": "One last thing. Baptismal names. Not a common tradition as much as it used to be (except for clergy), but one could take on a new name in the Ancient Church when baptized. St. Gregory of Nyssa's sister, St. Macrina, was named by her mother in baptism as Thecla (well known from apocryphal acts of Paul and a young follower/convert named Thecla). Gregory relates a story after Macrina's birth of a woman in light giving her these instructions. It was St. Thecla. And as Macrina grew, she saw herself in some way as Thecla. As if being possessed or one and the same. And the family as well started taking to calling her Thecla.\nI've never seen it written anywhere, but it got me wondering if these most ancient traditions of baptismal names had roots in Origen's teachings first about the transportation of souls.\nUncomfortable truths to orthodox believing churches of all types, but these are all saints in their own rights who had these ties to origin - and it was deliberately suppressed by the Constantinian age."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nInteresting, thanks for the info. Universal salvation seems to be a common talking point of modern Catholicism as well. But I'm curious as to what would happen if I privately told my local priest that deep down inside I can't stop believing in the reincarnation or pre-existence of souls."}, {"id": 7, "content": "he postulates a many world's hypothesis in the Peri Archon as if there is some kind of recurrence, but mostly just in passing and in a speculative way"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was a borderline Manichean gnostic anti-natalist who believed that men should castrate themselves to prevent bringing any more human beings into the world, for obvious reasons everybody on the planet disagreed with this notion"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSpeaking on that, when Paul says chastity is preferable to marriage/sex, he isn't explicitly referring to the clergy in that passage."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lso what do modern Theologians or Apostolic Priests (Orthodox, Catholic) think of Origen?\nI'm seeing more and more exegetists denouncing his allegorical Alexandrian method of interpretation as compete trash that it is."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nof course he isn't, or else the church would have forbidden clerical marriage immediately rather than waiting 1200 years to do so"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nI'd keep it to yourself. Nothing may bad may come of it, but it may not be all that fruitful either."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">Where did Origen go wrong\nAllegorical interpretation"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nNo one condemns all allegorical interpretation. The New Testament itself employs it on the Old. Christ is seen throughout the scriptures. Origen didn't invent it. The only people who would denounce it are atheists in clerical garb, who don't even believe in the virgin birth, and lead their flock astray and turn their churches into graceless wastelands full of pedophiles and demons."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nBut then he is also preaching anti-natalism?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nEver since exegetists look into ancient languages & archaeology and how they relate to the biblical text, the allegorical method becomes more and more cringy as time goes. The only people who disagree have their heads stuck in 1400-1200 years of flaky traditional stratas that they can't/won't see as anything different than fact."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nPaul was just telling the church what's better, but he didn't make an apostolic rule about it. We're all called to different walks.\n>Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.-1 Cor 7:6-7"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nI don't care about academics and little men. Especially degenerate Protestants or any who hangs on their words. I care about Christ and the Apostles and Prophets. For example, you are now calling Christ \"cringe\" for relating his fate to that of Jonah being in the belly of the whale."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\none of the problems of Origenist crisis was Origen claiming universalism because of his weird idea of soul reincarnation."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>>18\n>I care about Christ and the Apostles and Prophets\n>Don't trust what Christ and the Apostles and Prophets were saying to their audience at their appointed time and culture rather someone outside of them 300 years or more after the fact\nUhm, sure..."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n\nprotip there are 4 classical ways of interpreting scripture\n\nthey are literal, allegorical, moral, and anagogical\n\neach one (each and every) applies to every letter of the Bible simultaneously\n\n>protestants\n>even once"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\nPaul was saying it was SPIRITUALLY superior to be chaste than to fall prey to lust, but he also said it was better to marry than to burn. Productive sexual relations between faithful spouses was no sin, it only put one in a position that was tempting.\nOrigen advocated chastity to the point of the entire human race abstaining from sex altogether and initiate species-wide suicide, which is a common feature of the most radical heresies, such as the Cathars and Shakers who, against the teachings of the Bible, wish to hasten the End of the World against its appointed date."}, {"id": 23, "content": "he invented textual criticism\n\nthat alone has been a major headache for literally everyone over the 1700 years since"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>each one applies to every letter of the bible simultaneously\nWho told you that?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nthe same man who told me it was ok for each person to reach his own interpretation of the bible"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYou can comprehend that most Protestant groups (especially non-American ones) use the historical-contextual method of interpretation, right?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nare you shitting me? The tradition is far older than your obscene puritain LARP.\n\nhave you ever read the thing? I positively drips with meaning beyond the mundane literality you are so hung up on.\n\n>>25\nnot this anon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could you condition yourself to feel pleasure from suffering?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "people do that everyday without realizing it\nhow old are you?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe real world isn't that bad."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's what faggotry is all about"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">loki turns into a female horse and gets dicked by horses until he gives birth to a horse for odin\nyour telling me based aryan vikings worshipped this tranny god?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, Loki was likely not worshipped."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhe was a satan figure"}, {"id": 4, "content": "*mare\nFucking eslfags."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot just Vikangz. Zeus turned himself into a literal shemale Artemis to impregnate Callisto\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callisto_(mythology)\n\nPagan Gods were extremely queer, and based, and it's time for /his/ to accept it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father.\" That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. The next day the older daughter said to the younger, \"Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.\" So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.\nGenesis 19:32-36"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nTo be honest, pagan gods had more sex with animals or as, than with same sex people.\nOr people in general."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe would've been killed if he couldn't distract the horse."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll we have are invocations of Loki, one recorded in the 1800's which is likely a trash source if you look at things objectively, and another from The Galdrabok which an actual fart spell, intended to make the target of your curse fart. It's a bit of a stretch to say he was worshiped in any wide spread fashion."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you care about the turning into a girl aspect and not getting fucked by a horse?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe medical literature has termed this illness Tranny Derangement Syndrome. Essentially, a bunch of fags crossdressing and taking estrogen has collectively mindshattered conservatives throughout the world"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>faggotry and literal bestiality agaisnt the resolve the cucking aspect of having a daughter\n*hits pipe*\nhard choice"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>god"}, {"id": 14, "content": "How is a tranny if he actually became a mare capable of giving birth?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nwhat"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nyou're obsessed with trannies\n>inb4 the retard doubles down on his obsession with trannies by posting more about trannies"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Bible constantly talks about \"the church\" and its leadership and its apostles. My question is. Where did it go? According to Protestants it disappeared for 1500 years before Martin Luther \"revived\" it. According to Catholics and Orthodox Christians it never stopped existing. According to Jim Bob's First Baptist Church it was revived in 1990. Which is it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChrist is clearly designating Peter as the founder of the Biblical church. Going based solely on that, the various Orthodox and Catholic church’s are the only legitimate churches."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why do Protestants try so hard to pretend to be early Christianity and say \"Constantine killed all the real Christians\" when the heresies that were outlawed by the Council of Nicaea in 325 have nothing in common with Protestantism? Guess what they all believed in apostolic succession, sacraments, and salvation not being permanent. If you actually investigate which groups of Christians were effected by the Council of Nicaea it's shit like trinity deniers. Literally nobody anywhere in the Bible or anywhere in history ever thought of sola fide until Martin Luther."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>According to Protestants it disappeared for 1500 years before Martin Luther \"revived\" it.\nStrawman. Protestants believe that new ideas were introduced but not that the church disappeared\nIt still amazes me how Catholics whine about being their beliefs (for instance about veneration) being misrepresented and then turnout and start blatantly making stuff up about Protestants"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Why do Protestants try so hard to pretend to be early Christianity and say \"Constantine killed all the real Christians\" when the heresies that were outlawed by the Council of Nicaea in 325 have nothing in common with Protestantism?\nFind me a single major Protestant scholar who says this.\n>Literally nobody anywhere in the Bible or anywhere in history ever thought of sola fide until Martin Luther.\nMarius Victorinus"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThe irony was Constantine was an Arian, baptized by Eusebius of Nicomedia (also Arian), and only late in life. He merely got rid of laws that punished Christians and made it safer for them. But he was more sympathetic to Arius' ideas. The only reason why he held a Council was when Christians were finally safe, that he saw that there was still infighting (due to the recent rise of Arianism) and wanted them to make peace. Over time, he had stronger ties with them. The Catholic and Orthodox church had nothing to do with his machinations. It's by grace that his side didn't win out, and they never budged on Arianism."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe church are the living elect"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n> Literally nobody anywhere in the Bible or anywhere in history ever thought of sola fide until Martin Luther.\n\nClement of Rome\n>Similarly we also, who by His will have been called in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, or our own wisdom or understanding or godliness, nor by such deeds as we have done in holiness of heart, but by that faith through which Almighty God has justified all men since the beginning of time.\nAmbrose\n>Wherefore let no man glory in works, for by his works no man shall be justified, for he that is just hath a free gift, for he is justified by the Bath. It is faith then which delivers by the blood of Christ, for Blessed is the man to whom sin is remitted, and, pardon granted.\nJohn Chrysostom\n>But he [Paul] calls it their ‘own righteousness,’ either because the Law was no longer of force, or because it was one of trouble and toil. But this he calls God’s righteousness, that from faith, because it comes entirely from the grace from above, and because men are justified in this case, not by labors, but by the gift of God"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n\n>hey guys i'm a priest\n\nWho ordained you?\n\n>uhhh ummm i ordained myself\n\nWeird. That's not how the priesthood in the Bible worked.\n\n>uhhhh ummm shut up you're just babylonian and pagan!!!!\n\nIn the New Testament. Presbyteros = Catholic Priest. Episkopos = Catholic Bishop.\n\nAll the Christianity prior to 1517 had bishops (who were ordained as bishops by a previous generation of bishops who were made bishops by the original 12 apostles). Whether it was in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Any form of \"Christianity\" without bishops is modern, unhistorical, and unbiblical."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>According to Protestants it disappeared for 1500 years\nThat's not what Lutherans, Anglicans, and most Methodists believe."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>In the New Testament. Presbyteros = Catholic Priest. Episkopos = Catholic Bishop.\n>All the Christianity prior to 1517 had bishops (who were ordained as bishops by a previous generation of bishops who were made bishops by the original 12 apostles). Whether it was in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Any form of \"Christianity\" without bishops is modern, unhistorical, and unbiblical.\nYou can keep spouting falsehoods all day long anon, but remember that one day you will have to answer to God. Even Jerome himself mentions that in the Early Church the presbyteros and the episkopos were the same thing\n>The presbyter is the same as the bishop, and before parties had been raised up in religion by the provocations of Satan, the churches were governed by the Senate of the presbyters. But as each one sought to appropriate to himself those whom he had baptized, instead of leading them to Christ, it was appointed that one of the presbyters, elected by his colleagues, should be set over all the others, and have chief supervision over the general well-being of the community. . . Without doubt it is the duty of the presbyters to bear in mind that by the discipline of the Church they are subordinated to him who has been given them as their head, but it is fitting that the bishops, on their side, do not forget that if they are set over the presbyters, it is the result of tradition, and not by the fact of a particular institution by the Lord"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">imagine believing in God\n>a moral absolutist ruler of the universe with a very specific way he wants things done\n>but his church has split into a thousand pieces who all have very strong convictions about their way being the right way\n>if you want to convert to Christianity you must first figure out which one of those is the right one\n>better not get it wrong or else you'll live your whole life not enjoying the fruits of the world and still go to hell anyway"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n\n>the presbyteros and the episkopos were the same thing\n\nThey're both different levels of the priesthood and the only way to get them is to be conferred them by someone with valid holy orders. You don't get to make yourself a presbyteros or episkopos. You fat hillbilly."}, {"id": 14, "content": "obsessed and afraid of honest debate"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>They're both different levels of the priesthood and the only way to get them is to be conferred them by someone with valid holy orders.\nQuote me the NT verse on priests please, since you apparently think it's there. Not presbyters or bishops, but priests\n>You fat hillbilly.\nNice insult mate"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope, papist dog. I’m not even Protestant, but these anti-Protestant posts you fags have been spamming annoy me."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nWhy not the other churches that split before the Great Schism?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBecause they split using christologies considered heresies and rejected as doctrins by the Oecumenical Councils as the basis of their new Sees and rejecting Peterine primacy, unlike the Orthodox Church/Catholic Church schism which was caused primarily by both heads breaking communion with one another while still maintaining Peterine primacy in their own way."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>My question is. Where did it go?\nIt still existed, but it was persecuted by the state-churches (which represent the fallen world) for a long time.\n\nJust like in Elijah's time in the Old Testament, God has still reserved 7000 men who have not bowed the knee to Baal, even when most people are sinking into idol worship."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\n\nprotcucks desperately pretending they have apostolic succession and lineage by pretending every group persecuted by Catholics was actually them. smdh. if only they knew what half of these groups actually believed in lol. hint: it wasn't sola fide or sola scriptura."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n\nbaptists, evangelicals, and non-denominationals pretend they're not protestants."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\n>if you want to convert to Christianity you must first figure out which one of those is the right one\nNot true, first you have to receive the Gospel, which is God's word from the Holy Bible and be saved. You will then be able to find fellow believers. It isn't a matter of picking a group and just agreeing with whatever they say regardless of the Bible, that would be the wrong way of doing things and lead to a cult."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What are proto-protestants\n>What is apostolic faith\n>Why do the church fathers (with two exceptions) say that the rock in Matt 16 is Jesus or/& the confession that Jesus is Christ?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nEvery non-Catholic faggot and Vatican II faggot is gonna burn in Hell."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>It isn't a matter of picking a group and just agreeing with whatever they say regardless of the Bible\nIt’s a matter of picking the group of Christians that is close to God and the Bible and conforming your belief to theirs, yah, it’s not a damn buffet"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nFrom what I can tell, non-denominationals either de-emphasize institutional history entirely or they identify Protestantism as a political movement that is part of history. The group that really emphasizes their difference from Protestantism as a whole, both politically and in terms of church history, are independent Baptists, ones who are not part of another denomination like SBC. This is at least partially because the historical Protestant reformers such as Zwingli were against them, so it makes little sense to say they share a common history."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n\n>What are proto-protestants\n\nNone of these groups believed in sola scriptura or sola fide. Those ideas are ahistorical and unbiblical."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>It’s a matter of picking the group of Christians that is close to God and the Bible and conforming your belief to theirs, yah, it’s not a damn buffet\nIf they disagree with the Bible on some issue, then no, you shouldn't idolize a group of men and ignore the fact they are contradicting the Lord. If they deny Christ or His word, then it shouldn't matter who they claim to be."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nSee the following:\n\n\"We have a perfect knowledge of all things necessary to salvation, from the faith of Scripture.\"\nJohn Wycliffe (c. 1328-1384), De veritate sacrae scripturae, p. 108.\n\n\"The merit of Christ is of itself sufficient to redeem every man from hell: it is to be understood of a sufficiency of itself, without any other concurring cause.\"\nSame book, pp. 552-553"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nWell no sh*t Sherlock, but you are assuming that there is not one assembly of believers that from the time of Pentecost onwards has been cohesively led by the Spirit."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nMaybe if you stop worshiping your priest and read a book that's not Jesuit vomit for once, you'll knew how limited your understanding of proto-protestants. It's embarrassing."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nWow, a fallible man’s opinion from the 14th century, he totally was preaching what the apostles preached guise"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Priesthood of all believers"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nHave you read the early church writers, or even better what about the New Testament? Scripture itself is historical, and the belief in the Bible as being inspired by God is historical."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nForgot pic."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nSo is belief in a special assembly of Christ-believers that from the time of Pentecost onwards has been cohesively led by the Spirit. But this is something that all Protestants universally deny."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nWhere did anyone assume that there is no church continuity? The Lord specifically preaches this in Matthew 16:18 and during the Great Commission. The church has always been here, even during times of persecution. There were always godly men who did not bow the knee to Baal, who never started worshipping idols or doing similar things. They were the ones that formed the church, and this is important for preserving God's word and reaching the lost world with the Gospel.\n\nAs it says in 1 Timothy 3:15, the church is the pillar and ground of the truth."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n\nOkay then. Show me your pedigree. Show me your continuity."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nFirst elaborate on what this means."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nNot just “men” but a cohesive assembly, the one undivided assembly of true believers. Protestantism denies that this has always existed, because otherwise Protestants would be forced to submit to said body as a co-equal authority alongside the Bible."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>Protestantism denies that this has always existed,\nNo idea since I don't care what Protestants teach.\n>Protestants would be forced to submit to said body as a co-equal authority alongside the Bible.\nCan you explain what exactly do you mean by this?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>27\n>None of these groups believed in sola scriptura or sola fide. Those ideas are ahistorical and unbiblical.\nRead >>8"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nIf God Himself literally guides, animates, and leads His one special assembly of Christ-believers, and has been doing so in an unbroken manner from the time of Pentecost, then purposely studying the scriptures with a mind to be apart from this one special assembly will inevitably lead to destruction, while participating in the assembly will lead to the right understanding of scriptures, and life."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>2\nJesus also said he'd come back during the lifespan of Peter's generation"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nThe fact that John Chrystostom said that should make you less Protestant and more Orthodox, not the other way around…"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>\"Sola fide is a new belief from Luther\"\n>No it isn't, Chrysostom basically mentions it\n>\"That should make you orthodox\"\nAre you even trying to make sense"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>then purposely studying the scriptures with a mind to be apart from this one special assembly\nAh, well it's a good thing that I don't do that. As it says in the New Testament, God the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth.\n\n\"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.\n14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.\"\n- John 16\n\n\"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.\nFor every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.\nIf a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?\nIf ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?\"\n- Luke 11:9-13\n\nAmen. And this is the fellowship we have as believers.\n\n\"And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.\n49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.\n50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.\"\n- Luke 9:48-50"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">Catholics and Orthodox say you need tradition to understand Christianity\n>Catholics and Orthodox split because one group says the supremacy of the pope is tradition and the other group says it isn't\nLol, lmao even"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>John 16\n>the Spirit will guide you\n>Luke 11:9-13\n>Ask, and it shall be given you\nOk\n>Luke 9:48-50\nAre you posting this as an admission that you’re outside of the true church?\n\n>>48\nProblem?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>3\nI can't not laugh."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nThe problem is they're referring to manmade tradition, but Paul was referring to the tradition we receive directly from the Apostles, and this comes to us from Scripture.\n\n\"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.\"\n- 2 Thessalonians 3:6\n\nBecause men would rather follow the manmade traditions, just as the Pharisees did in Jesus' time, they have deviated from the word of God that was witnessed to us by the Apostles in the New Testament. They should have simply followed exactly what Paul said here in his epistle to the Thessalonians and only regard what they hear directly from the word of our Lord, rather than regarding rumors and myths taught by fallible men, as did the Pharisees in former times, who were rebuked by our Lord for their manmade oral traditions, which the scribes and Pharisees of that time used quite deviously as a means to overturn the eternal and unchanging dictates of Scripture.\n\nAs it says in the Gospel of Mark:\n\n\"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.\n8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.\n9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.\n10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:\n11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.\n12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;\n13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.\"\n- Mark 7:7-13"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nNot all of the early church were heretical. You need to adjust that chart, anon."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\n>Problem?\nSounds to me like you guys don't agree about what tradition teaches, yet I somehow must believe in it"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\n>Are you posting this as an admission that you’re outside of the true church?\nHow do you get that conclusion?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>the tradition we receive directly from the Apostles, and this comes to us from Scripture\nUhh Protestantsisters…\n>So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.\n\nYour assumption that Christian tradition is fallen like the Pharisees’ tradition is just that, an assumption. If you were right, then the canon wouldn’t be reliable either, since that too is a tradition."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>If you were right, then the canon wouldn’t be reliable either,\nYou mean the one with the apocrypha or the real one?\n\n>So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.\nYeah, you realize that this was also written by Paul in the same book of 2 Thessalonians, right?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nAll Orthodox churches are remarkably uniform in faith and practise, even non-Chalcedonian churches. Roman Catholic churches for their part are similar to Orthodox churches, except perverted. If you are trying to say that there is nothing here to reliably go by, you have no case."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nThe real canon wouldn’t be reliable if all traditions are fallen because the biblical canon is a tradition passed down from one generation to the next.\n>Yeah, you realize that this was also written by Paul in the same book of 2 Thessalonians, right?\nOf course, thus disproving that all teachings are confined to the written word."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nI just don’t know what you’re trying to say. It seems like you just replied with randomness to my point, which was simply that\n>If God Himself literally guides, animates, and leads His one special assembly of Christ-believers, and has been doing so in an unbroken manner from the time of Pentecost, then purposely studying the scriptures with a mind to be apart from this one special assembly will inevitably lead to destruction, while participating in the assembly will lead to the right understanding of scriptures, and life."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>All Orthodox churches are remarkably uniform in faith and practise, even non-Chalcedonian churches\nSure, if you ignore the whole nature of Christ thing.\n> Roman Catholic churches for their part are similar to Orthodox churches, except perverted.\nThat's funny, because they claim the tradition says the pope was always the leader of the Church (the whole \"on this rock\") and you're wrong"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\n>Of course, thus disproving that all teachings are confined to the written word.\nRight, if they were to hear the word of God spoken directly by an apostle, or hear the epistle of an apostle read out loud to them that would be valid. You don't have to be literate to be saved, which is what is being communicated here. It's the same whether you are reading it or hearing it spoken verbally.\n\nPaul nowhere says that there is a secret hidden tradition that can never be written down but must always be spoken orally (sort of like the Pharisaic tradition of the elders), and if there were then it would be a contradiction for him to mention it in one place and never bring it up again."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\nTo say that the written and oral traditions are different defeats the purpose of the chapter since the \"super apostles\" could say 'well this X apostle told me Y'."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\n>It seems like you just replied with randomness to my point\nDo you think being guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth is just a random observation or is it relevant, anon?\n\nThe fact is that there is only one truth, like it says in the New Testament (Eph. 4:5), \"One Lord, one faith, one baptism.\" I believe that and follow that completely. It also says in Jude that we should \"earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.\""}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nHm?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>Do you think being guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth is just a random observation or is it relevant, anon?\nI think it’s relevant. It also positions the Holy Spirit as a rival authority to the Word. (This of course is ok, because the Holy Spirit is God and we should be personally led by God)\n\nIf there has been one special Spirit-led assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, do you think that for you as an aspiring Christian it would be important for you to confirm your belief to theirs?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nYeah anon, what some people do to twist the meaning of Paul in 2 Thessalonians contradicts what Paul himself wrote later in the same book, as quoted before.\n\n\"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.\"\n- 2 Thessalonians 3:6\n\nSo then if some guy comes forward and claims to have a tradition, we have to see whether it holds up to Scripture or else be in disobedience to what Paul says here. Paul is very clear: if they are not according to the traditions that I have received from the apostles, which is the New Testament that they wrote, then as a Christian, I should withdraw from them."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>It also positions the Holy Spirit as a rival authority to the Word.\nCan't be, because it says in Scripture that \"these three are one.\" The witness of the Father, the Holy Spirit and the Word are one."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>60\nRelatively slight disagreements in an otherwise conspicuously uniform and cohesive tradition mean that we need to throw up our hands and throw the entire tradition out? I can’t imagine being so reckless."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>are one.\nOr \"is one\" I should say. It makes no sense to talk like the Holy Spirit is going to give you anything different than what God has already said.\n\nIn John 16, it even says, \"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.\"\n\nAnd back in John chapter 14:\n\"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.\"\n(John 14:26)"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nWhat part of having co-equal authorities suggests that their witnesses wouldn’t be one? They say the same thing. But it means that you can’t just focus on one. If you only follow the Spirit without the Word, you are headed into the wilderness. Similarly for if you only follow the Word but not the Spirit. And the Spirit has been with the assembly of Christians in an unbroken manner since Pentecost. Therefore, it’s incumbent on you to find out what this body of believers is saying, and believe it, lest you find yourself with a false Christ."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>What part of having co-equal authorities suggests that their witnesses wouldn’t be one?\nWell, the person I was responding to just said that the Word and the Holy Spirit would be \"rival authorities,\" but this makes no sense in context of the Holy Trinity being in complete agreement in every way. What they said sounded like it might be based on some kind of non-Trinitarian heresy."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>61\n>Right, if they were to hear the word of God spoken directly by an apostle, or hear the epistle of an apostle read out loud to them that would be valid\nLol, do you think the apostles were robots who just repeated lines of scripture everywhere they went?\n>Paul nowhere says that there is a secret hidden tradition that can never be written down\nJust because something isn’t written down, doesn’t mean it’s secret or hidden. Did you ever stop to imagine that the presence of Christ can’t be fully captured in writing?\n\nIf your interpretation of this scripture is true, it wouldn’t even need to exist. It’s specifically there to validate non-written Christianity, not to negate it.\n\n>>66\n>Paul is very clear: if they are not according to the traditions that I have received from the apostles, [which is the New Testament that they wrote], then as a Christian, I should withdraw from them\nYou blatantly inserted [this part] without reason."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nThat wasn’t intended. It means that scripture is not your sole authority if God is standing in the room with you. So, provided that this has been the case (that God has been personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers) do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>9\n>In the New Testament. Presbyteros = Catholic Priest. Episkopos = Catholic Bishop.\n\"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;\"\n1 Timothy 3:2\nDoesn't sound like a Catholic priest to me."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nSounds more Orthodox"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>Did you ever stop to imagine that the presence of Christ can’t be fully captured in writing?\nConsider what it says in Matthew,\n\n\"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.\"\n(Matthew 4:4)\n\nAnd Peter wrote in the New Testament:\n\n\"But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.\"\n(1 Peter 1:25)\n\n>If your interpretation of this scripture is true, it wouldn’t even need to exist.\nYou mean 2 Thessalonians? What I get out of that statement is that the word is just as effectual as if Paul was in the room right now telling me to listen to him rather than manmade traditions. It doesn't matter whether it's spoken by word of mouth or written down.\n\n>You blatantly inserted [this part] without reason.\nAre you saying there are other direct writings or sayings of the Apostles which aren't part of the New Testament, then? If so then you might be using non-inspired writings instead of the inspired word of God.\n\n>>73\n>It means that scripture is not your sole authority if God is standing in the room with you.\nThose two aren't going to contradict. If you expect that God would say that some part of His word is untrue, then you have much deeper problems, anon."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nOrthodox priests are only allowed to be married if they were married before they were ordinated and only unmarried men can become bishops, but Timothy clearly stipulates that a bishop MUST be the husband of one wife."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>Timothy clearly stipulates that a bishop MUST be the husband of one wife.\nWrong. He says you can't have been married to more than one wife."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>68\n>Relatively slight disagreements in an otherwise conspicuously uniform and cohesive tradition mean that we need to throw up our hands and throw the entire tradition out? I can’t imagine being so reckless.\n>Slight disagreement\nThose disagreements led to entire schisms and people declaring eachother heretics destined for hell lmao. If you think questions like \"what's the nature of Christ\" and \"who must lead the church\" are minor I don't know what to say anymore"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\n>Those two aren't going to contradict\nNo they won’t. And you didn’t answer the question.\n>provided that that God has been personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\nVery simple, yes or no."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\n\"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.\n2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;\n3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;\n4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;\n5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)\n6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.\n7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.\"\n- 1 Timothy 3:1-7\n\nIt says very clearly that he MUST be the husband of exactly one wife. \"The husband of one wife\" has to be a man, can't have more wives and can't be unmarried."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>78\nEven if that was the case, which I doubt since polygamy is banned from everyone and therefore there's no need to ban it specifically for bishops, it is still contrary to scripture to ban bishops from being married."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n>provided that that God has been personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\nIf they are Bible-believers, then yes. But if someone in the church denies Christ or the Bible, then no."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>76\n\n>St. Irenaeus: “[I]t is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church—those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth” (ibid., 4:26:2).\n\nThoughts?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>79\nOh em gee, entire schisms? *Clutches pearls* Ask Orthodox people of any stripe what they think of the miaphysite controversy and see if they take it to be a big deal. Similarly, ask Catholics if Orthodoxy is true Christianity, and see what they say.\n\nThe existence of a tradition stemming from the apostolic age is clear. Protestantism only arrived in the 16th century and is utterly disconnected to history. But you’re free to point out flaws in it and throw the baby out with the bath water if you want, I don’t care."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nIt's not referring to polygamy, it's referring to remarriage (i.e. divorce)."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>83\n>If they are Bible-believers, then yes. But if someone in the church denies Christ or the Bible, then no\n>If if if\nWhat’s with all the conditionals? Do you believe that God has been personally with one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, or not?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nReminds me of 1 John 2:19.\n\n\"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.\""}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>85\nWhat average Catholics may say or not about Orthodox doesn't matter. Magisterial teaching has been favorable, multiple popes have attempted unity, and Pope JP II called them both the two lungs of the Church - and the world needs them both."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>81\nIt says, \"husband of one wife\" as in, \"not a husband of multiple wives\". St Paul even says explicitly that it is better to remain unmarried.\n\nNow to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. (1 Corinthians 7:8)"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\nRecall what it says in 1 Timothy 6.\n\n\"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;\n4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,\n5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.\"\n(1 Timothy 6:3-5)\n\nSo we see that if someone, even someone who has entered privily into the church, seeks to cause us to deny Christ, we should not follow in their sedition.\n\n\"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.\n2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.\n3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.\"\n(2 Peter 2:1-3)\n\n\"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.\n2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:\n3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.\"\n(1 John 4:1-3)"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nMy post is in agreement with that sentiment. I believe they “went their own way” but I still cherish the Catholic Church and the western tradition broadly, not necessarily on theological grounds, but for its contribution to Christian art."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\n>St Paul even says explicitly that it is better to remain unmarried.\nYeah, but that doesn't mean they are qualified to be a bishop then. It might be best for them to serve the church in another capacity or role as God sees fit."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>86\nThat's also a no for everyone.\n>What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.\nMark 10:9-12"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>91\nNotice how when confronted with simple yes or no questions, you spaz and throw out a lot of irrelevant quotes about false teachers and heresy. None of what you just printed has any bearing on the very *important* question that every aspiring Christian must ask, which is: has God been personally with one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, or not?\n\nIf the answer is yes (and scripture unambiguously attests to this) then one’s understanding of scripture must come from *them* and conform to *theirs*"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nBeing married has never been a qualification for priesthood. Being married multiple times is the disqualification."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nWhere in the Bible does it say that being married is a disqualification?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\nIt was common in those days to remarry if your wife or husband died. Paul extends the prohibition of remarriage after a spouse's death to disqualify priesthood."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nI didn't say that. I said it was better not to marry."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nThe Orthodox and Catholic churches say it though"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>95\n>has God been personally with one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, or not?\nSo you're changing to a new question then? I answered your last one. Maybe it's time I start getting a little more strict and making you answer some of my questions first.\n\n>If the answer is yes (and scripture unambiguously attests to this) then one’s understanding of scripture must come from *them* and conform to *theirs*\nI agree that the church has always had the one truth and has always existed, this is what God's word says. But that doesn't mean that every person who joins the church is saved, so we can't just automatically trust them. Otherwise, we would end up going along with people who try to deny the Lord, which is obviously wrong. John said to \"try the spirits\" whether they are of God.\n\nAs far as where the understanding of scripture comes from, we need God to guide us, as has been previously mentioned. This is true for everyone, which is why the Holy Spirit indwells every believer. Without God being present as the infallible authority for understanding the word of God, we would all be lost. He is our foundation for understanding everything, and no one else can be that for us. The church who believes and follows the Bible goes along with these facts which are found in the Holy Bible. A cult that teaches contrary to this is nothing more than a sect of evil Christ-deniers."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>98\nA widower of one wife =/= a husband of one wife."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\n>So you're changing to a new question then?\nI copied and pasted it because you didn’t answer it!\n>I answered your last one\nIn which post?!\n> I agree that the church has always had the one truth and has always existed, this is what God's word says\nGood.\n>But that doesn't mean that every person who joins the church is saved, so we can't just automatically trust them\nYou shouldn’t blindly trust individual persons. This is a matter of whether it’s incumbent on us as aspiring Christians to conform our beliefs to the congregation which God has already blessed. If we do this, we will not “end up going along with people who try to deny the Lord”. How could we? Who in God’s church is denying the Lord? Someone would be excommunicated for that.\n>Without God being present as the infallible authority for understanding the word of God, we would all be lost\nGood. So “scripture alone” doesn’t really work then, because it’s possible to have scripture and not the Spirit.\n>The church who believes and follows the Bible goes along with these facts which are found in the Holy Bible. A cult that teaches contrary to this is nothing more than a sect of evil Christ-deniers.\nNo disagreements there either. What are the chances that God’s chosen congregation denies the Bible though?\n\nOnce again, provided that that God has remained personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers — and you agree with that — do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\n\nIf you already answered this, link to your post, but I couldn’t find it."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nMarriage in biblical times ended at death."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n>In which post?!\n>>83"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nThe question shouldn’t lead to any “if” statements though because we are not talking about some hypothetical congregation. We both agree that God has blessed and personally remained with his original assembly of believers in continuity. This non-hypothetical entity is what I’m asking if we need to conform our beliefs to."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>>106\nYou said my answer linked above wasn't good enough for some indeterminate reason but then immediately switched to asking a new question, acting like it was the question you had been asking all along, which I had already answered, even though it wasn't.\n\nThis is why you trying to play the part of the inquisitor is impossible to satisfy. You keep asking different questions. Maybe it's time that I started making some inquisitions over some of the things you've said, like for instance where you implied that the persons of the Holy Trinity would be \"rival authorities,\" which seems to me to be based in a non-Trinitarian heresy of some sort."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">want to follow the original church\n>both catholics and orthodoxes are wrong about bishops according to the Bible\n>wat do?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>104\nIt ended when one of the spouses died, yes, just like now."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\n>according to the Bible\nAccording to your false interpretation of the Bible."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\nYes."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\n>husband of one wife\ndefinitely doesn't say zero wives"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nDo I really need to post 1 Timothy 3:2 again? The Bible objectively allows clergymen to be married, so if you disallow it your doctrine objectively runs contrary to scripture."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>107\nI’ve rephrased a little bit because I’ve not been copying and pasting, but the substance of the question has been the same. Let me go through every post and verify (you still haven’t provided a non-conditional answer btw)\n> provided that that God has remained personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers, do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\n>has God been personally with one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, or not? If the answer is yes (and scripture unambiguously attests to this) then one’s understanding of scripture must come from *them* and conform to *theirs*[?]\n>Do you believe that God has been personally with one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, or not?\n>provided that that God has been personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\n>provided that this has been the case (that God has been personally with the original assembly of Christ-believers) do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\n>If there has been one special Spirit-led assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost, do you think that for you as an aspiring Christian it would be important for you to confirm your belief to theirs?\n\nThe question has remained the same. Your answer was “not necessarily”. May want to reconsider that…"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nI remember Paul saying he wasn't married. And I don't remember Jesus being married to a woman either."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>111\nSo if your spouse dies you are released from your vows, therefore you are no longer a husband with one wife and you're free to remarry."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>113\nDo I need to repeat that the Bible allows for zero wives or one wife, but not two? You don't seem to be listening."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\n>you're free to remarry\nUnless you wanted to be a bishop or deacon."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nHow do you reconcile that with the fact that both of the \"one true churches\" enforce zero wives as a hard rule when the Bible doesn't?\n\nEven if you don't interpret it as \"they have to be married to one wife\" it makes no sense for the church to enforce celibacy."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\nA widower is not a husband, so no, they are free to remarry."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nIt's a discipline of the Church. It's not an infallible rule which can never be rescinded."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\n>A widower is not a husband, so no, they are free to remarry\nHow can someone \"remarry\" unless he was already married before?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>108\n>>119\nThe Orthodox Church does not require bishops to be celibate, but rather follows the ancient tradition of selecting bishops from among the ranks of the monastic clergy, who are themselves celibate. While it is not a requirement for bishops to be celibate, it is generally expected that they will adhere to the traditional practice of the Church and remain unmarried.\n\nIn the early Church, bishops were often married and had families, and some Eastern Catholic Churches that are in full communion with Rome continue this practice today. However, in the Orthodox Church, the selection of bishops from the ranks of the monastic clergy who have taken a vow of celibacy is seen as a way to ensure that they are fully dedicated to their ministry and free from the responsibilities and distractions of family life.\n\nThe Orthodox Church recognizes that there may be exceptional circumstances where a married priest may be ordained to the episcopate, but such cases are rare and must be approved by the Church hierarchy.\n\nIn summary, while the Orthodox Church does not require bishops to be celibate, it is generally expected that they will adhere to the traditional practice of the Church and remain unmarried. The selection of bishops from the ranks of the monastic clergy is a longstanding tradition of the Orthodox Church and is seen as a way to ensure that they are fully dedicated to their ministry."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\nBecause he WAS married, unlike a divorcee who remains married in the eyes of God."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nSo he got married again? As in more than one time?"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>114\n>you still haven’t provided a non-conditional answer btw\nJesus Christ is our perfect Lord and Savior and He always answered everything correctly. According to the Gospels, did Jesus always answer everything the way you are demanding? if these things are so, does that mean He fails your demands?\n\nAs it says in the Gospel of Matthew,\n\n\"It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?\" (Matthew 10:25)\n\n>the substance of the question has been the same.\nNo, not really. It has some similar verbiage but it's asking fundamentally different questions. Your second question asks about where one's understanding of Scripture comes from. And you changed it again, because up here >>101 the question you were asking that I was supposed to respond to was simply a question of whether God has been personally with the assembly of Christ-believers or not. And the answer I have already mentioned at least once, which is, yes. By the way, the church was started before the day of Pentecost.\n\nNotice how in this >>114 post, you had to add a question mark in brackets [?] because originally that had not been part of the question you asked which I had to respond to. You seem to be changing the supposed questions that I was supposed to answer yet again in this post.\n\n>Your answer was “not necessarily”.\nWe should follow Christ as our leader and head of our church. If someone inside the church tries to teach false doctrine, that should not be automatically followed, as was said before. I gave Biblical reasons for this fact as well."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nYeah, but since he will still only have one wife due to the death of the first one it is okay."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>123\n>it is generally expected that they will adhere to the traditional practice that goes against scripture\nftfy"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nI see your point, the question really contains two parts, and you agree on the first part, that God been personally with one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the time of Pentecost (or before that, doesn’t really matter, but most church historians mark Pentecost as the beginning of the church).\n>If someone inside the church tries to teach false doctrine, that should not be automatically followed, as was said before\nHow do you propose that it would be possible for God‘s chosen assembly of Christ-believers, who He is personally ministering to constantly, to be corrupted on the inside this way?"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>127\nJohn gets married to Sue.\nSue dies.\nJohn gets married again to Jill.\nJill is John's 2nd wife.\nJohn cannot be a priest because he had married more than once."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\nIt’s not contradicting scripture if married men are allowed to be bishops, but are not preferred to be bishops. Jesus and Paul both say it’s better and more spiritual to remain unmarried, after all. Therefore, if given the choice between a married bishop and an unmarried bishop, how do you figure that the church is going against scripture to go with the latter?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nHe can since he STILL ONLY HAS ONE WIFE."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>129\n>How do you propose that it would be possible for God‘s chosen assembly of Christ-believers, who He is personally ministering to constantly, to be corrupted on the inside this way?\nThey won't be. It's just individual false prophets trying to infiltrate the church. Just as Judas Iscariot was among the disciples until the end. Here are some Scripture passages on this which provide reassurance that even so, God's church is never corrupted.\n\n\"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.\"\n(1 John 2:19)\n\n\"But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:\n4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:\n5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.\"\n(Galatians 2:3-5)\n\n\"As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.\n13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.\n14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.\"\n(Galatians 6:12-14)\n\n\"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:\n20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.\"\n- Matthew 28:19-20"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>They won't be\nI’m not talking about individual persons, I’m talking about God’s assembly of believers. But yes, you agree it won’t be corrupted. 1 John 2:19 is a fantastic proof of that.\n\nGiven that the Bible speaks repeatedly about an incorruptible church, do you think it’s incumbent on the aspiring Christian to conform their beliefs (particularly concerning the scriptures but religious belief in general) the beliefs of this incorruptible body no? Yes or no."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>132\n>1+1=1\nThe state of Protestants."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\nEasy, see my answer to the previous question, \"do you think it would be incumbent on you as an aspiring Christian to conform your beliefs to this church or not?\"\n\nThe answer to this has been provided and is linked here: >>83"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nWhy do you answer with a conditional, given that you already proved with scripture that God’s congregation is incorruptible?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>130\nSUE IS DEAAAAAAAAAAD, YOU ARE NOT MARRIED TO A DEAD PERSON. DEAD PEOPLE ARENT MARRIED TO ANYONE."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nHow many times did he get married? Once or twice?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\n>Why do you answer with a conditional, given that you already proved with scripture that God’s congregation is incorruptible?\nI just want to stress the fact that I agree with anyone who is a Bible-believer, and I don't want to create any opening whatsoever for someone to say that I would agree with false doctrine just because they happened to be in a particular church or assembly."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>135\n1-1+1=1\nStop being such a massive retard."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\n>I don't want to create any opening whatsoever for someone to say that I would agree with false doctrine\nDoesn't 1 John 2:19 remove that opening already?"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>138\naren't dead wives actually still alive in heaven and waiting for you though?"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>139\nAt what point in the scenario does he have (in a present sense) more than one wife?"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nAccording to Christianity, and Catholicism too, death is the most valid separation of a cpuple because there is no marriage in heaven (except marriage with God) and there is no life at all in hell according to Bible.\nThats why Catholic marriage vows say \"until death separates us\""}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The Bible constantly talks about \"the church\" and its leadership\nNo, it literally does not. It lists some qualifications to be a deacon or an elder or an assembly overseer, but that's about it. Any other use of the word \"church\" just means the body of people following Jesus, not a building or a hierarchical structure. And the church is doing just fine."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>143\nMatthew 22:30"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>145\nOrthodox Christian theologians understand marriage as more than a temporary earthly bond, but rather as a sacrament that has eternal significance. They believe that the relationship between spouses continues even after death, and that the love between them can transcend physical boundaries.\n\nIn Orthodox theology, marriage is understood to be a symbol of the relationship between Christ and the Church, and therefore has a spiritual dimension that extends beyond earthly life. The wedding ceremony itself is seen as a participation in the heavenly marriage banquet, and the union of the couple is understood to have an eschatological significance.\n\nThe belief that the love between spouses transcends death is rooted in the Orthodox doctrine of the communion of saints, which teaches that all believers, living and dead, are part of the same mystical body of Christ. In this view, the bond between spouses is not simply a human relationship, but is ultimately grounded in the love of God, which has the power to overcome even death."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>3\n>If you actually investigate which groups of Christians were effected by the Council of Nicaea it's shit like trinity deniers.\ncoincidentally, all modern anti-trinitarians are members of protestant denominations"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>146\n>Any other use of the word \"church\" just means the body of people following Jesus\nYeah, “just”."}, {"id": 151, "content": "The Bible says there is no marriage in heaven. There isn't even the male or female.\n\nIsn't something to be concerned with because the Bible tells us that most people will be resurrected on the perfected earth, an expanded garden of Eden, and not in heaven."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>148\nwait, you cant have multiple marriages at same time right? Heaven means ultimate state of grace as known as you are married to God, therefore if you are also married with another person at the same time arent you engaging in multiple marriages?"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>142\nIt tells us that, without fail, they will sooner or later go out from among the church. Obviously in the world to come, there will be no more false prophets insinuating themselves among God's people. But as it also says in 1 John 4:1, we should \"try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.\" And that's where we are right now. There is a spiritual battle going on right now, and as it says in 2 Peter 2:1 there are still people infiltrating the church (it also says this in Jude as well), so we need to have on the whole armor of God. That includes the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God (Eph. 6:17)."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nThe Church believes that the bond of marriage is eternal, and that the love shared between spouses continues beyond death. However, this does not mean that individuals will be married to more than one partner in the afterlife. Rather, the Church teaches that the marital bond is transformed and elevated in the resurrection, and that the love shared between husband and wife is deepened and perfected.\n\nThe Orthodox Church teaches that the union between husband and wife in the afterlife is spiritual in nature, rather than physical. This means that the bond between spouses in the afterlife is not characterized by physical intimacy or sexual relations, but rather by a deep and profound love that is purified and elevated by the grace of God."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>144\nAnon, what is one plus one?"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\n>in a present sense\nIf you used to have a wife you don't have a wife."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>153\nIn summary, you believe that God has been personally ministering to one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the beginning, and that it’s impossible for this assembly to be corrupted with false teachings. So you believe in a church which is eternally pure and incorruptible and which has existed uninterrupted from the start. And yet you don’t think it necessary to check your understanding of scripture against it, or conform your belief to theirs. Is that right?"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>156\nWhat is one plus one?"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nWhat is 1-1+1?"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>157\n>Is that right?\nIn Ephesians 4:5 it says, \"One Lord, one faith, one baptism,\" in reference to the fact that there is only one truth. And He is it (John 14:6).\n\nIf you are asking whether I agree with what you think, the answer is, it depends on what you mean. I never said anything about there being only one Christian assembly in existence (that's been you). John wrote to \"seven churches\" that were in Asia. We see God's people spreading to many different cities, they were not all clustered in one local assembly. It is true despite this that there is only one faith, as mentioned by Paul in Ephesians 4:5, and one truth and Lord.\n\nBasically, we started with one church, which consisted of the apostles during Christ's ministry - and once they started evangelizing, more churches started assembling in various cities and places, but they were all of the same faith and practice with one another. This has been handed down along with God's word through the generations to today. Every saved person has received their faith from the same word of God as they did in the 1st century, and every church ultimately has an unbroken line going back to the first century with Christ, following congregational polity, which is how the church operated in the New Testament. You are correct that the churches today all without exception come from incorruptible assemblies of past ages, going back to the first century AD.\n\n>And yet you don’t think it necessary to check your understanding of scripture against it, or conform your belief to theirs.\nNot sure what you mean. I have spent a lot of time in my church hearing other people preach and give their views and it's been very edifying and informative to me. They tend to use solid Scriptural arguments in their discussions as well, which is really helpful. I wouldn't ascribe infallibility to anyone but God, though, and that includes the fact that I myself am not infallible."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy understanding is that \"the church\" is just the whole body of the saved. If you're a Christian, you're a member of the church, whether you're part of a denomination or not."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\n>it depends on what you mean\nWhat does it depend on exactly? You agree that despite many churches, there is one capital-C “Church”, because all the “churches” share the same faith, Lord, baptism, truth, etc. So then what is your point?\n>you believe that God has been personally ministering to one special and chosen assembly of Christ-believers since the beginning\n>you agree that it’s impossible for this assembly to be corrupted with false teachings long-term\n>therefore you believe in a church which is eternally pure and incorruptible and which has existed uninterrupted from the start in the presence of God\nAnd yet you still deny the existence of an ekklesia which is upholding any truth that you must in principle adhere to."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\n>And yet you still deny the existence of an ekklesia which is upholding any truth that you must in principle adhere to.\nThe Bible."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>36\ni can't speak for protestants, but there are non-catholic denominations who believe in the universal church. the witness lee recovery movement is one of them. they have their own problems of course, but yeah."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\n“The Bible” is a two-word phrase that does not in and of itself refer to any concrete congregation, friend, except the one in your mind."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>36\n>But this is something that all Protestants universally deny.\nThat's pretty bleak. Almost JW tier."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>164\n>there are non-catholic denominations who believe in the universal church\nIt’s impossible to deny the existence of extra-Biblical divine authority (definitional to Protestantism) whilst simultaneously believing in a church with a true teaching that must be followed as a part of one’s religion."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>160\n>but they were all of the same faith and practice with one another.\nThere's a word for this. It's called Catholic.\nYou can say it, can't you?"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>166\nHow is that JW-like?"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>161\n>My understanding is that \"the church\" is just the whole body of the saved. If you're a Christian, you're a member of the church, whether you're part of a denomination or not.\nThis is correct. It is just the cumulative body of those following Christ."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\nYou can’t disentangle following Christ from congregating with Christ’s followers, and you can’t pretend that Christ’s original congregation hasn’t persisted in visible form over the millennia, and you can’t argue from scripture that this original visible congregation is not preserved by God of error. The problem with “the church is just those who follow Christ” is that it’s just words, and words have no weight. That’s why the Word became flesh."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>171\nI don't know what you're trying to say here. The church literally just means those who follow Christ. That's just what the word means."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\n>I don't know what you're trying to say here\nDamn, what part was unclear?"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>173 #\nWell you're saying you can’t disentangle following Christ from congregating with Christ’s followers -- Which I'm not doing. I don't know what you're trying to say with that. The church is the cumulative body of those who follow Christ. I'm not suggesting that they are untangled with the originals congregation in somenway. That doesn't make any sense. Christians have been meeting since the beginning so of course their congregation has persisted since the beginning. I know you're trying to say that the Catholic Church is synonymous with this but there's nothing to suggest that. Especially since your institution disagrees with the original church on fundamental issues."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>167\nthe universal church is just the collective saved. its head and sole authority is jesus christ, and the bible is the only reliable source of instruction on matters of doctrine and practice. local churches can have elders and deacons but the papacy and all the nonsense roman catholics have made up over the years has no bearing on anything.\n\n>>171\nthe roman catholic church is so rife with error it's not even funny. praying to dead humans for protection is just one example."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\nThe difference is that the Christians you congregate with don’t congregate with the original congregation(s), so they all individually fall to the same critique. Are you saying that the original church hasn’t continued in visible form? Or are you saying it has, but that error crept in?"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>175\n>the universal church is just the collective saved\nActually it’s the pillar and bulwark of truth, and you are obligated to share its faith.\n>the bible is the only reliable source of instruction on matters of doctrine\nUntrue, because there is a church, preserved and incorruptible by the good shepherd, which teaches true doctrine, and you must agree with it, or else you separate yourself from the flock. Unarguable. The only counter is to say “the church is that which believes in my interpretation of the Bible”.\n>Papacy\nNot the only apostolic church in town, you know."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\njesus christ is the pillar and bulwark of truth, not your manmade organization of idolaters.\n\nyou need your fake church to be the sole authority because that's the only way you can justify making stuff up and getting people to go along with your heresies. come out of her."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>178\n>jesus christ is the pillar and bulwark of truth\n1 Timothy 3:15, the church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, and God protects its doctrine."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>176\nThis doesn't make any logical sense. The original congregation died many centuries ago. Of course Christians don't congregate with them. You're trying to insert that there is some official organization that has an official hierarchy that you must be part of in order to congregate. It's not biblical whatsoever. A completely made up idea created by Rome hundreds of years after Jesus died.\n\nAnd even if it were true, you'd have no way of knowing if apostilistic succession went out through something like Novationism or any of the other so called anti popes, and flourished all while being persecuted by the Catholic Church throughout the ages (another blatant illustration of why your church has nothing to do with Christ). It's just such convoluted reasoning.\n\nBut there's no need to bother with it because it's not biblical."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>179\nthat verse says that the living god is the pillar and foundation of the truth. jesus christ said that he is the truth. the true church with the indwelling spirit of god is imbued with truth, making every member of the church a temple (2 corinthians 6:16).\n\nwe don't need your fake authority when we have the living god and his inspired word"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>181\nThis is correct."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>181\n>we don't need your fake authority when we have the living god and his inspired word\nYou just proved we do, by stating “that verse says that the living god is the pillar and foundation of the truth”. Are you saying that you are willing to hold beliefs that don’t conform to the church (whatever your definition of the church to be)?"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\nif any christian or group of christians, no matter how large or long-standing, proclaims as doctrine anything that fails to conform with the clear teaching of the inspired word, then it is heresy. if a member of a very big, very old group of professing christians comes to me and tries to sell me the immaculate conception of mary, the rites of ordination for apostolic succession, prayer to dead saints for protection, etc., i call it heresy. the new testament is full of examples of false teaching and practice creeping into the church. we are not immune. but we have the inspired, god-breathed word to go back to for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness (2 timothy 3:16)."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>181\n>>182\nWait do people unironically think that the Bible is calling God the pillar and bulwark of truth, and not the church?\n\nlol"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>180\n>The original congregation died many centuries ago\nPeople actually believe this… sad"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>184\n>if any christian or group of christians, no matter how large or long-standing, proclaims as doctrine anything that fails to conform with the clear teaching of the inspired word, then it is heresy\nAnyone who fails to conform to the church is separating themselves from the flock. Insert whatever definition of church that you like — whether “Bible-based” or apostolic or whatever — the statement remains true. So you must conform your belief to the church, not just to the Bible. You can weasel out of this by saying that the true church is just composed of everyone who happens to share your exact interpretation of scriptures, and therefore you are confirmed to the church by definition, so you have nothing to worry about, and in particular, you don’t have to worry about conforming your beliefs to the true church (because it already agrees with whatever you think). I think anyone with both a brain and a heart can see how arrogant and unlikely that is. Modernist"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>186\n>The disciples of the apostles are immortal and still alive today on Earth\nk"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>188\n>the church, which is the resurrection of Christ, can lose to death\nYou missed the plot and are a crypto-restorationist"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>179\nThe church is the body of Christ, though, as well. See First Corinthians 12:27."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>179\nThat's about the local church."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>187\nIf someone is sincerely seeking the LORD, they will find Him. Like Christ said in Luke, God, who is our Heavenly Father, will give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him (Luke 11:13).\n\n\"The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.\"\n- II Chronicles 15:2"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>190\nPoint?\n\n>>191\nProof? What difference does that make anyway?"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>192\nIs that scripture supposed to disprove anything I said? If you seek the Lord you will find the true church and your faith will be conformed to it. Basic fact."}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>194\nSo it's not about my interpretation or yours, as you put it. It's about God guiding us into all truth, as mentioned before in John 16:13-14.\n\n\"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.\"\n- 2 Peter 1:20\n\nAmen, thanks to the Lord!"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>195\nYou can’t agree with what I wrote and still subscribe to sola scriptura nonsense"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>187\nheresy and sin separate you from the church and god. if the church imposes a doctrine that is blatantly heretical, such as praying to dead saints for protection, then by the grace of god i am at perfect liberty to oppose it. the new testament writers regularly expressed the importance of properly handling the scriptures and relying on them for teaching, etc.\nwhat you're proposing about the nature of apostleship and apostolic succession absolutely requires that the canon of scripture remain open, that it can be added to perpetually. if you can't or won't understand how incredibly dangerous that is and how many countless examples of its misuse riddle the history of christendom, then you are beyond help. virtually every heretical cult has relied on false prophets introducing new doctrine after the fact. whether it's the roman catholics or the latter day saints, it always, always, always ends in ungodliness, blasphemy, and destruction."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>196\non the contrary, those verses unequivocally support sola scriptura. it is not our place to define or create doctrine apart from the plain word of scripture. if there are disagreements, we do what the apostles and other members of the early church did and return to the scripture itself for clarity.\n\nit all comes down to this: we have god and his word. we don't need you."}, {"id": 199, "content": "Apostle Innocent Java. Drop everything you are doing and go see what God is doing in this season, this year, this generation. Drop your wedding, cancel your birthday party, and miss your funeral if you have to. 1 body in Christ. We can eat different spiritual food according to our calling and purpose but one body in Christ now and forever.\n>denomination\n>denom\n>denom\n>wawawawawa\nNo as far as God is concerned."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*yawn*\n\nThe same Papist and Orthodog cope thread as always, painstakingly setting forth the same \"tried and tested\" arguments that they think definitively proves the Reformation to have been one big mistake. The same point-by-point rebuttal, the same purposeful strawmanning of the opposition, the same doubling down on 'muh magisterium' and 'muh apostolic succession' etc. etc.\n\nDo you guys ever experience that sense of deju vu? Cause on /his/, it's more likely than not a symptom of shitty thread regurgitation syndrome, or STRS (pronounced \"stars\"). Talk to your local jannie about reducing the incidents of STRS today!"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>197\n>if the church imposes a doctrine that is blatantly heretical, such as praying to dead saints for protection, then by the grace of god i am at perfect liberty to oppose it\nThe church? When you say “the church” do you mean the same church which God has promised to remain forever free of doctrinal error?\n>what you're proposing about the nature of apostleship and apostolic succession absolutely requires that the canon of scripture remain open\nActually, apostolic succession is the only reason for why the canon is closed.\n>virtually every heretical cult has relied on false prophets introducing new doctrine after the fact. whether it's the roman catholics or the latter day saints, it always, always, always ends in ungodliness, blasphemy, and destruction\nWhose is Catholicism’s false prophet? Give a name.\n\n>>198\n>on the contrary, those verses unequivocally support sola scriptura\nWhat verses? I said “If you seek the Lord you will find the true church and your faith will be conformed to it. Basic fact.” Do you disagree with that?\n>it all comes down to this: we have god and his word. we don't need you.\nI’m not saying this is me, but imagine having a Bible in your hand and telling this to the true church of God. You maybe see the problem…"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>201\n>do you mean the same church which God has promised to remain forever free of doctrinal error?\ni'm gonna need a scriptural citation for that claim\n\n>Actually, apostolic succession is the only reason for why the canon is closed.\nnot if there is no fundamental difference between the original apostles and their alleged contemporary apostolic descendants, but go on and expand on that if you can\n\n>Whose is Catholicism’s false prophet?\nanyone who has ever claimed to speak authoritatively in persona christi and/or ex cathedra\n\n>What verses?\nthe verses that guy cited. 2 peter 1:20 especially. pay attention\n\n>imagine having a Bible in your hand and telling this to the true church of God\nyou can continue insisting that the roman catholics or whoever are the \"true church\" but that claim carries no weight. i do see the problem, and it's with false teachers claiming authority they don't have and imposing their will on the body of christ as if they were god himself, all the while engaging in open idolatry and heresy."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>202\n>i'm gonna need a scriptural citation for that claim\nNew Testament\n>Matthew 16:18 - \"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.\"\n>Ephesians 5:25-27 - \"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.\"\n>1 Timothy 3:15 - \"If I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.\"\n>Hebrews 12:28 - \"Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe.\"\n>Jude 1:24-25 - \"Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.\"\n>1 John 2:19 - \"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.\""}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>202\n>i'm gonna need a scriptural citation for that claim\nOld Testament\nOld Testament\n>Psalm 46:5 - \"God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.\"\n>Isaiah 54:17 - \"No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.\"\n>Psalm 121:3-4 - \"He will not let your foot be moved; he who keeps you will not slumber. Behold, he who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.\"\n>Isaiah 41:10 - \"Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.\"\n>Zechariah 2:5 - \"And I will be to her a wall of fire all around, declares the Lord, and I will be the glory in her midst.\""}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>202\n>go on and expand on that if you can\n“At the Council of Carthage in 397 AD, the canon of the New Testament as we know it today was officially ratified by the Western Church.”\n>anyone who has ever claimed to speak authoritatively in persona christi and/or ex cathedra\nWho invented Catholicism?\n\n2 Peter 1:20 does not prove sola scriptura. In fact, there is no scriptural proof of sola scriptura, and if there were this would be much easier.\n\nYou ignored the basic point in all of this, which is that “If you seek the Lord you will find the true church and your faith will be conformed to it.” It’s a basic fact. Do you disagree with it?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>203\nwell, you tried, i'll give you that. matthew 16:18 says that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, not that it's immune to false teaching. ephesians 5:25-27 refers to the church being cleansed from sin, just as every saint has been purified in christ. 1 timothy 3:15 is either referring to god as the pillar and buttress of truth or simply saying that the church has found and defends the truth. it is not saying that the church produces the truth. hebrews 12:28 is like matthew 16:18, dealing with our security in christ. jude 1:24-25 says he is able to keep us from stumbling, but we find elsewhere in scripture that trials and temptations will come and that, at times, we will stumble. our security in christ means that we will never wholly fall. 1 john 2:19 proves that catholicism, which has strayed so far away from orthodoxy as to be no longer christian, should not be considered part of the body.\n\nour need for correction, even as members of christ's body, is readily apparent in the scriptures.\n\n2 timothy 2:15: Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a worker who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.\n\n2 timothy 3:14-17: But as for you, continue in the things you have learned and firmly believed, since you know from whom you have learned them. From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.\n\nromans 7:18-20: I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>175\nWhere in the Bible does it say you have to go to Church?"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>11\nYou just prices yourself wrong.\n\nAt best what can be said of Episcope vs Presbyteroi is that they are first among equals, but that's just a Roman way of creating a hierarchy (look up the word, it might surprise you)."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>205\n>At the Council of Carthage in 397 AD...\nand yet here you are attempting to impose non-biblical catholic doctrines as if they carry the same weight as scripture. you don't see the problem with that?\n\n>Who invented Catholicism?\nsatan 100%\n\n>“If you seek the Lord you will find the true church and your faith will be conformed to it.” It’s a basic fact. Do you disagree with it?\ni disagree with it if your definition of \"the true church\" is the openly blasphemous roman catholic organization. understand, you have a cult mentality. you need to break out of it. i've dealt with other cults before and their members have an extremely difficult time understanding that throwing out quotes from your chosen false prophet isn't actually evidence. i know from the scriptures that if i seek the lord, i will find him, and that by being saved i am added into the body of christ. i also know that the only possible references to the roman catholic church in scripture are calling it out as false. see 1 timothy 4:1-3: Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. also revelation 18."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>207\nhebrews 10:25 says not to forsake the assembly"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>206\n>matthew 16:18 says that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, not that it's immune to false teaching\nIf false teaching has infected Catholicism forever, then the gates of hell have prevailed against her.\n>ephesians 5:25-27 refers to the church being cleansed from sin, just as every saint has been purified in christ\nIt’s talking about the church corporately, not saints or individual believers. The church is the bride of Christ. I assume that you individually do not identify as the bride of Christ (lol)\n>1 timothy 3:15 is either referring to god as the pillar and buttress of truth or simply saying that the church has found and defends the truth\nScripture would never describe Christ as the pillar of truth, because He is the truth, so it’s the latter. And if it’s the latter, then sola scriptura is false, because it means church doctrine is binding.\n>hebrews 12:28 is like matthew 16:18, dealing with our security in christ\nAre YOU the kingdom of God which can’t be shaken? Or is the church?\n>jude 1:24-25 says he is able to keep us from stumbling\nYou may be right about this one.\n>1 john 2:19 proves that catholicism, which has strayed so far away from orthodoxy as to be no longer christian, should not be considered part of the body\nIt’s not talking about Catholicism, lol. It’s talking about all false teachers. They leave, they don’t stay. Everyone who is true, stays, in other words.\n\nEach one of these verses emphasizes that the Church is not subject to corruption because it is founded and maintained by God. He protects the Church and ensures that it remains true to its purpose, which is to proclaim the gospel and provide a spiritual home for believers.\n\nIt’s especially impossible that 1 John 2:19 would be talking about Catholicism because (as you will soon find, after thinking about it) Catholicism was not invented by anyone, so there was no one “leading people out” or deceiving them, as it were."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>209\n>and yet here you are attempting to impose non-biblical catholic doctrines as if they carry the same weight as scripture. you don't see the problem with that?\nYou don’t see the problem of having to conform what you believe to the, y’know, actual church, in addition to your own private reading of scripture? You said this leads to an open canon, but I didn’t know what you mean by that. My point was that the church is precisely the body which closed the canon. So your logic must be off.\n>satan 100%\nWhich human(s)?"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>209\n>i know from the scriptures that if i seek the lord, i will find him, and that by being saved i am added into the body of christ\nNo one disagrees with that. The disagreement is in the meaning of those words. The way you get the right meaning is by testing your beliefs and conforming them to the actual church. Or even any church at all, actually. In this way, you will not be going your own way, but will be joining the flock."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>211\nthere are probably christians in the catholic church, but they are saved in spite of the catholic church, not because of it. as for the corporeal organization called the roman catholic church, it is absolutely overcome by satan. and i'm not saying that other denominations don't have problems, even deep, potentially fatal problems. the point is that the church is not an organized denomination. it is a spiritual unity in christ that transcends anything we could create.\n\nthe church has access to the truth in jesus, revealed in scripture, but none of us, individually or collectively, has the authority to produce truth. we can only go after it because it has already been defined by jesus christ.\n\ni and the church can absolutely be shaken but i and the church can never fall completely because jesus promised it (john 10:28).\n\nit may not be talking about catholicism in particular, but it certainly applies. heresy is heresy.\n\nidolatry is a fundamental and inseparable part of catholic teaching. you pray directly to human saints for protection. i posted the st. christopher medal already. the catholic church also promulgates a false gospel in the form of the brown scapular which is purported to be a promise from mary that whoever dies wearing it will not suffer eternal fire. they've tried to walk this back and say it's referring to purgatory, but since purgatory is not eternal and hell is eternal, it is not talking about purgatory. galatians 1:9 says, \" if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!\" and the roman catholic church is so accursed, and visibly so."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>213\nand since the roman catholic church is visibly and openly opposed to the clear teaching of scripture, i reject the roman catholic church and its claim to the title of true church. simple as that."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>211\n>Catholicism was not invented by anyone\nIn the early church, the term catholic meant universal. In the early 4th century, it became the name of a faction of (professing) Christians who sided with Constantine (in 313 and 314 AD) against the so-called \"Donatists\" who were the opposing party. From that point on, Catholicism as a political movement and faction existed, although it has split into numerous branches similar to how the LDS church did, how Islam did, how Gnosticism did, and so on. Furthermore, Protestantism as a political movement has existed since 1526 AD (Diet of Speyer), although it was based on some pre-existing ideas, and it has also split into numerous branches, itself being a branch of the Constantinian sect. Outside of Rome, there are other wayward sectarian groups that claim to be the true church, but they are based on similar errors, as the seeds of such heresy have been present in the world since the 1st Century AD.\n\nHowever, throughout all of this, the church itself has consistently practiced their faith and withstood the trials of time, and since the church is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) they were the immediate means by which we have received the Gospel in our day, since it was handed down (received) from them to us. Their faith is the faith which is spoken of in the Bible as being the one and only true faith, despite all of the efforts of the devil to afflict and destroy it. It is preserved still today in the form of the Holy Bible, the most important and precious heritage anyone could receive.\n\nAs it says in Jude,\n\"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.\"\n(Jude 1:3)\n\nSo we also should contend for the faith that was once delivered unto the saints, and ignore the corrupt manmade institutions that have tried to detract from it today."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>214\n>the point is that the church is not an organized denomination. it is a spiritual unity in christ that transcends anything we could create\nThat is what Catholicism is brother. Just because the world has devised a name for it doesn’t magically make it a sect.\n>the church has access to the truth in jesus, revealed in scripture, but none of us, individually or collectively, has the authority to produce truth. we can only go after it because it has already been defined by jesus christ.\nNo one is “producing truth”. The church collectively discloses the truth of the Spirit, which brings all things concerning Christ to remembrance.\n\n>>215\nDo you seriously not believe that God has promised the world a congregation with the true doctrine?\nDo you seriously not see the problem with not having to conform what you believe to the, y’know, actual church, in addition to your own private reading of scripture?\nDo you seriously believe that your own private reading of scripture is normative and binding on Christians the world over?\n\n>>216\nThanks for the history lesson, but what’s missing is who invented it. It doesn’t look like Catholicism was invented by anyone based on what you wrote, I don’t see any culprits.\n\n>However, throughout all of this, the church itself has consistently practiced their faith and withstood the trials of time, and since the church is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) they were the immediate means by which we have received the Gospel in our day, since it was handed down (received) from them to us. Their faith is the faith which is spoken of in the Bible as being the one and only true faith, despite all of the efforts of the devil to afflict and destroy it.\nWho are you actually talking about?"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>217\n>It doesn’t look like Catholicism was invented by anyone based on what you wrote, I don’t see any culprits.\nIt's the Constantinian church, that's why it formed around his leadership in 313 and 314 AD, where the synod of Lateran and synod of Arles were held. This is speaking just from a historical perspective.\n\n>Thanks for the history lesson, but what’s missing is who invented it.\nWell, the concept of \"protesting\" has always existed, but it was the princes in 1526 at the Diet of Speyer who made a movement out of it. Similarly, the term \"catholicos\" originally meant \"universal,\" in whatever way you want that to mean. But starting with Emperor Constantine, it became the name of a political faction, specifically one that opposed what it called \"Donatist\" churches (really any church that wasn't in the Emperor's faction).\n\n>Who are you actually talking about?\nHere I'm talking about the church who follows the Bible and practices believer's baptism, which is in contrast to those who do not follow the Bible."}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>210\nAssembly just means a believer, not a Church building"}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>218\n>Do you seriously not believe that God has promised the world a congregation with the true doctrine?\n>Do you seriously not see the problem with not having to conform what you believe to the, y’know, actual church, in addition to your own private reading of scripture?\n>Do you seriously believe that your own private reading of scripture is normative and binding on Christians the world over?\n\nIf Constantine had invented Catholicism, then Catholicism would be Arian, because Constantine was an Arian. It also strains credulity to suppose that Constantine invented the most visible expression religion the earth. Who invented everything that Constantine inherited?\n\n>Here I'm talking about the church who follows the Bible and practices believer's baptism, which is in contrast to those who do not follow the Bible\nSo Baptists? Baptists gave the modern world the Bible?\nLol"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>219\nAssembly means assembly"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>221\nShow me where \"assembly\" means a \"church building\"."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>222\nNo one says that"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>223\nGood, so I can psychically pray with Pastor Billy Bob through the TV."}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>220\n>If Constantine had invented Catholicism, then Catholicism would be Arian, because Constantine was an Arian. It also strains credulity to suppose that Constantine invented the most visible expression religion the earth. Who invented everything that Constantine inherited?\nConstantine and especially his successors tried everything they could to push Arianism. It just the absolute brainlet tier levels we're dealing with, especially when it comes to Baptists and documentaries like \"Tares Among the Wheat\".\nIt's also one of the strongest examples of Rome's resiliency and Petrine blessing. \"The gates of hell shall not prevail\". By the 500s, Rome was reduced to mere tens of thousands in it's population, bishops left and right had been disposed and replaced with imperial stooges, Arianism ran rampant both in the East as well as in the West among the Goths. And Rome never budged."}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>224\nThat’s what it means, yea"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>220\n>Baptists gave the modern world the Bible?\nThe Geneva Bible was printed in Geneva, Switzerland in 1560. It was based entirely, from Genesis to Revelation, on original language Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Actually, the first time an English translation had that quality as a matter of fact. The 1560 translation is quite close to the KJV, being one of the main influences on it. And some of the Vaudois were known to be involved in printing activities at the Geneva Academy around that time. So, yes. They definitely had something to do with the development of the Textus Receptus and the printing of the early English/French/Italian and other translations.\n\n>If Constantine had invented Catholicism, then Catholicism would be Arian, because Constantine was an Arian.\nYes, Rome was Arian for a good while until later emperors changed their mind on the Trinity. This just shows you that following a single city is not a good idea. Obviously, there is no Christian doctrine anywhere in the Bible that says to do this, and if anyone did so then I suppose they would have become Arians.\n\n>It also strains credulity to suppose that Constantine invented the most visible expression religion\nWell, Mohammad invented a visible religion that is comparable to it and equally idol-worshipping (they worship a black cube). So it's not like there isn't more examples of cults with worldwide reach emerging, such as this one. However, each of these sects has split into a million little pieces since it was originally founded. For Catholicism, that includes all of the offshoots that occurred since the founding in 313 and 314 AD.\n\n>Who invented everything that Constantine inherited?\nWell, they ripped off a lot of ideas from Christianity, but modified it. That's why they were most likely already paedobaptising by that point. Some of these people aligned with Constantine in order to get ahead. The non-Arian ones were severely disappointed by Constantine afterward, however."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>227\nThose are interesting theories man, and I’m glad the true religion was preserved and came to you by a printing press, but it’s beside the point.\n>>Do you seriously not believe that God has promised the world a congregation with the true doctrine?\n>>Do you seriously not see the problem with not having to conform what you believe to the, y’know, actual church, in addition to your own private reading of scripture?\n>>Do you seriously believe that your own private reading of scripture is normative and binding on Christians the world over?"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>227\nIt's not the following of a city, but the laying on hands of Apostolic authority and succession and an approved episcopate under this guidance. Starting with St. Peter, the unifying force for his brothers."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>229\n>the unifying force for his brothers.\nWe don’t talk about them…"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>229\n>but the laying on hands of Apostolic authority and succession and an approved episcopate under this guidance.\nOk, but without God approving of it, what good is it? Like, there are many different organizations that claim to go back to ancient times, but they don't actually do so, nor do they actually practice the thing that they claim to be following. In the case of the Pharisees, they claimed to follow the Old Testament, but it was really their oral \"traditions of the elders\" that they made up which they followed. Christ Jesus pointed this out in the Gospels for us to consider. Since then, many more similarly devised oral traditions have popped up, but none of them seriously follows the Bible. And not only that, but there are large numbers of different creeds and sects built on the same flimsy basis. If you're saying the largest sect is automatically right, that would be a wrong way of thinking because the truth isn't determined by majority vote and never has been.\n\nSo, getting back to the point here, one has to have God's approval. That's the only thing that matters. You could have the leaders of the country being corrupt and wicked, such as when the Arians were in control, or when any other incorrect group was powerful, but God could preserve seven thousand men that have not bowed the knee to Baal in that time. The difference between Cain and Abel was over who was doing what God approved of. And this is always the one who is doing what God actually commanded them to do."}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>231\n>Like, there are many different organizations that claim to go back to ancient times, but they don't actually do so, nor do they actually practice the thing that they claim to be following\nWho else, the Freemasons?\n\n>getting back to the point here, one has to have God's approval\nDoes God approve of your inability or refusal to answer these questions?\n1. Do you not believe that God has promised the world a congregation with the true doctrine?\n2. Do you not see any problem with not having to conform what you believe to the actual church, in addition to your own private reading of scripture?\n3. Do you believe that your own private reading of scripture is normative and binding on Christians the world over?"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>232\n>Does God approve of your inability or refusal to answer these questions?\nSee >>37\n>>47\n>>76\n>>91\n>>101\n>>126\n>>133\n>>160\n\nThis has already been answered and dealt with. Waste of energy to continue wasting time with this."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>233\nWat\nYou never answered those…\nWhatever, thanks for your time"}, {"id": 235, "content": "The hinge of all Roman Catholic and Orthodox apologetics is that without some institutional body of believers with historical ties to the apostolic church, the true teaching of the Christian faith cannot ever be known with certainty, and Christianity is thus doomed to be forever lost in a sea of competing denominations.\n\nWhat this line of reasoning ignores is that the corporate life of the church is an aggregate function of the individual believers that constitute it. Men come to believe the gospel by the preaching of the Word of God; it is the Holy Spirit who uses this message to breathe new life into us and who knits the saints together in Christ as members of His body, ala Ezekiel 37. Hence, Scripture, and its revelatory content, precede and give rise to the church, not the other way around.\n\nAdditionally, there is no singular organ or \"representative assembly\" that can claim authority to speak on behalf of or as head of the entire community of the faithful. Why? Because it is Christ Himself who is the church's head (Ephesians 1:22, 5:23, Colossians 1:18). He is the Prophet who was promised by Moses, He is the messenger of the covenant, He is the high priest after Melchizedek's order, and He alone is the prince of peace who reigns as king over Israel (i.e His people)."}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>235\nIn a true sense, then, Christ is the only ‘real’ office bearer in the Church; its Prophet, High Priest, and King. Those believers who hold office in a congregation do so only virtually; they receive their commission and spiritual gifting as a result of their covenantal union with Christ, who is the true vine. Ephesians 4:1-14 is absolutely clear on this point. Hence, any authority that a churchman exercises is contingent on the Word of God and its teaching; Scripture alone is the infallible rule of faith and source of binding doctrine. Man does not possess any ability to add to or alter the gospel. In fact, we see in the Old and New Testaments that curses are pronounced against such pretenders and false prophets.\n\nIt is enough that the teaching of Christ and His apostles was authenticated by the working of signs, wonders, and the power of the Holy Spirit, that our faith might not rest on men’s wisdom or eloquence, but the very person and work of Jesus Christ, of whom the New Testament authors were faithful witnesses. Let us then hold fast to the faith delivered once and for all time to the saints, and not be led to and fro by every wind of supposed doctrine. God’s revelation has been inscripturated and passed down as a priceless possession for all people; free from all fault or error. Amen."}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>235\nWhat the Holy Spirit does on his own is not our business. We acknowledge that Christians exist in a mystical body as well, and that there is one Baptism. But you won't find the fullness of the Church that way. You don't have to be alone or just in a small local body. Like AW Tozer's \"The Saint Must Walk Alone\". No, the saint does not.\nChrist the Good Shepherd and we are his flock. But he also specifically commanded Peter to \"feed my sheep\" as well. He left the stewardship in his charge."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>235\n>Hence, Scripture, and its revelatory content, precede and give rise to the church, not the other way around.\nIt’s literally the other way around. Theologically, historically, literally."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>235\n>The hinge of all Roman Catholic and Orthodox apologetics is that without some institutional body of believers with historical ties to the apostolic church, the true teaching of the Christian faith cannot ever be known with certainty, and Christianity is thus doomed to be forever lost in a sea of competing denominations.\nWhy are w*stoids obsessed with “knowing with certainty”. Is the fact that Christianity is a faith lost on you people?"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Which is it?\nJim Bob's First Baptist Church."}, {"id": 241, "content": "I dont even understand what people are arguing for.\nWhat church should I go to?\nOr is Sola Fide enough?"}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>237\n>fullness of the church\nfunny. I seem to recall John and Paul speaking of the \"fullness of Christ\" (John 1:16, Ephesians 1:23, 4:13) but nothing about the so called \"fullness of the church\". At best, the church's ministers are called and equipped by God to edify and build up the body. But there is no inherent authority delegated to the corporation or company of believers. Peter was indeed called to be an apostle, and his preaching and teaching solidified his status as one of the pillars of the early church, a solid rock just as Christ said he would be (Matthew 16:18). Yet was Peter afforded any privilege marking him out as distinct from the other apostles? As far as I can tell, it was James who presided over and issued the decision of the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:5-21). And what of Paul's rebuke of Cephas concerning his hypocrisy towards the Gentiles (Galatians 2:11-21)? Certainly any notion of infallible teaching authority vouchsafed to a particular person or group of persons is utterly excluded, both by this incident and the myriad statements in the New Testament concerning the necessity for spiritual discernment.\n\nLastly, your erroneous belief that God will preserve a single, physical church whose institutional continuity is perpetual throughout human history is explicitly refuted by Christ's warning to the church at Ephesus in Revelation 2:5.\n\n\"Remember therefore from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works. But if not, I am coming to you, and I will remove your lampstand out of its place, unless you should repent.\"\n\nAs anyone can rightly point out, there is no existing church at Ephesus today. Does that mean that God reneged on His promise to preserve the church in all ages? Not at all. It's simply that the Ephesians eventually departed from the true faith, and hence, ceased to be a true church. Rome likewise failed to repent and has departed from the gospel, substituting traditions of men in place of the Word of God."}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>242\nSo what are we supposed to do?"}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>238\nDid the church exist before God spoke it into existence? Do people convert before or after having heard the truth preached from God's Word? The biblical pattern is that revelation always precedes and results in the establishment or addition to God's covenant people. The Bible verily is that revelation, faithfully recorded and transmitted to posterity. Hence, the Scriptures have priority over the church. Get it?"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>243\n\n\"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: 'Come out of her, my people, so that you may not have fellowship in her sins, and so that you may not receive of her plagues.'\" Revelation 18:4\n\nCall upon the Lord Jesus Christ and receive Him as the surety for your sins, and you will be given the Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 246, "content": "Protestants literally just don't understand what they are reading, and have no idea what they are talking about."}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>246\nthat's an odd way of saying \"I'm all out of arguments, I'd better just resort to lies and ad hominem\" but, hey, a dub's a dub. Papists are used to sticking their heads in the sand after all."}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>44\nAnd what does that possibly mean?"}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>16\nHow is the post anti-Protestant?"}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>244\n>Did the church exist before God spoke it into existence?\nNo\n>Do people convert before or after having heard the truth preached from God's Word?\nGod’s Word is Jesus, and before the printing press, you do the math\n>The biblical pattern is that revelation always precedes and results in the establishment or addition to God's covenant people. The Bible verily is that revelation\nChrist is, dummy. The New Testament scriptures reflect the NT church established personally by Christ 100 years before the Bible, 400 years before the canon, and 1500 years before the printing press"}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>242\nJames took over the leadership of Jerusalem position - i.e. a bishop. Something you Protestants can barely accept either. I don't expect you to really understand Petrine authority when you can't even get Church Polity 101 right either. Most weasel out of even the word \"bishop\" and reimagine the early church all as congregationalists and the Apostles and bishops as a bunch of hillbilly \"pastor Freds\".\nHe was a bishop. He was not one of the 12.\nThe fact that Paul says himself though that he went straight to Peter, and only happened to see James, nor did he even meet the other original apostles is testament itself to Peter's importance. He was THE man to see. It doesn't mean he was perfect and it doesn't Paul couldn't argue with him. It just means he led the Church. Anything else is pure cope."}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>146\n\n>claims to take the bible literally.\n>except the part that talks about the \"church\". uhhh ummm that's metaphorical."}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>14\nUH OH\nUH OH\nITS DIRK\nLOOK EVERYONE ITS DIRK\nDIRK WITH A REFORMED SMIRK"}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>252\nI would gladly welcome all in this invisible, universal body of believers, but some need to stop it with the autism. If you're hung up on words like \"church\", you're not in the universal body. The invisible church has to start *at the very least* with all who uphold the Apostle's Creed. Hopefully more than that, but if we can't get past that, I'm probably dealing with some Jim Jones tier freak."}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>252\nLook at what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:3.\n\n\"Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.\"\n\nWhen Paul says \"the husband,\" is this implying that there is only one husband in the world?\n\nNo, it's not. This does not mean that there is only one husband in the entire world, it is referring to any husband abstractly. It's the same with \"the church.\" Saying \"the church\" is a convenient way to refer to any particular church. It is also a convenient way to refer to the people of God collectively as well, even though there are many local churches.\n\nElsewhere, the Bible tells us there are several churches. It uses the term \"churches\" plural, for instance when John writes, \"unto the seven churches which are in Asia.\" This can't be possible if there is only one church, or local assembly. I think people already understand this, but I feel it necessary to point it out."}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>57\nExcept they aren't because Bartholomew allowed Ukrainian Orthodox churches to be sold out to NATO."}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>219\ni'm the guy you were responding to. sorry for the extremely late response. i agree with you. the assembly is a group of saints assembling together. could be in a church building, a home, a park, a prison, etc. the point the writer of hebrews was making was that the assembly is where we find encouragement and edification in the faith.\n\ni was a member of the witness lee local churches for a while and, at one point, the members of the church in my city were travelling to another city to meet in the home of some saints there. local churches take the lord's supper every sunday, but they weren't going to on that day because witness lee stressed the importance of the \"local ground\" of the church in a city. since no leeist local church had been established in the city those saints were living in, the view was that it would be improper to take communion there. i argued that the church exists wherever the saints are gathered and we ended up taking the lord's supper and having a very good church meeting.\n\nthe point is that, when you introduce doctine that isn't biblical, and when you go beyond the plain teaching of scripture, that's when problems creep in. catholicism has gone so far in that direction that it now seems to have more problems than not. that's why i consider catholicism, like lds and jw and other cults, to be pseudo-christian"}, {"id": 258, "content": "eastern orthodox Christianity\nhttp://orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/default.aspx"}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>217\nif a group claims to be disclosing the truth of the spirit, producing doctrines not found anywhere in scripture, and in so doing promulgates idolatry and false gospels, then the logical conclusion is that they are liars and that their claim to authority is baseless.\n\nthe bible consistently warns us against false teachers and invites us to test them.\n\n\"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.\""}, {"id": 260, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's because the Reformation as its name implies hasn't been about revival."}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>257\n>i was a member of the witness lee local churches\nThat's interesting. It looks like these guys had a similar idea as the ancient catholics. For reference, some people in the early church would emphasize unity of all people who profess to be Christians, while others believed that doctrine was important and that the church was called to be separate from the world. As Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians: \"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.\" This latter group, of which I am in doctrinal agreement, gets such belief from passages such as:\n\n\"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?\n15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?\n16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.\n17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,\n18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.\"\n- 2 Corinthians 6:14-18\n\n\"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.\n9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.\"\n- Galatians 1:8-9\n\nThis is where I would differ with people like Nee and Lee, I suppose.\n\n>the point is that, when you introduce doctine that isn't biblical, and when you go beyond the plain teaching of scripture, that's when problems creep in.\nYeah, pretty much."}, {"id": 262, "content": ">>257\n>e lds and jw and other cults, to be pseudo-christian\nDo you really believe that? I think there's much more that Protestants and Catholics can learn from each other - or even read various books from - compared to dabbling in JW and LDS circles, where you literally feel the cooties crawling immediately."}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>261\nthe local churches actually are weirdly similar to catholics. they won't generally admit it, but they're actually apostolic. witness lee considered himself an apostle, and even acted in that capacity, taking it upon himself to appoint elders and deacons in various local churches that were following his teachings. lee is dead, but a number of his older, prominent followers form a group that don't really have a formal title, but act as a kind of magisterium, overseeing the publication of lee's teachings through living stream ministry. lee also taught authoritatively that there should be \"one publication\" in the universal church, which is one of the reasons why there is such a cult of personality around him. https://www.lsm.org/onepublication/"}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>263\nI'm an Independent Baptist church member who only uses the uncorrupted received text of the Bible, I believe in church continuity based on what the Lord said, throughout the ages so I would disagree with the need to \"restore\" something that was never missing.\n\nWhen I saw that the group you are referring to was once part of the Plymouth brethren, who were run by the known cultist J.N. Darby, who was responsible for creating a falsified text called the Darby Bible and who invented and spread in late 19th century U.S. and Canada much of what became hyperdispensationalism (aka Zionism as we know it), that caused some concern. The limited amount of info I have, makes me agree with your conclusion that it's definitely not a doctrinally aligned movement. It kind of reminds me of \"Moonies,\" but perhaps more low key and flying under the radar."}, {"id": 265, "content": ">>264\nyeah, the local churches are interesting in how unnoticed they've remained, despite being actively evangelizing, especially on college campuses. i think part of it is in their habit of taking very generic names. a local congregation will identify as \"the church in [city]\" and their college outreach groups have names like \"christians on campus\" so it's difficult to tell what they are unless you engage with them. you and i would certainly disagree on king james onlyism, but you may find it interesting that the local churches even have their own translation of the bible, called the recovery version, which contains extremely extensive footnotes of witness lee's teachings."}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe church is the body.\n\nWe are walking temples.\n\nGod is inside us.\n\nWe are all God."}, {"id": 267, "content": ">>2\n>Christ is clearly designating Peter as the founder of the Biblical church\n[1Co 3:11 KJV] 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.\n\nsorry bro you put your house on sinking sand"}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>3\nThis graphic is pretty good. The restoration movements that started JW and LDS are fascinating to research."}, {"id": 269, "content": ">>265\n>you and i would certainly disagree on king james onlyism\nWell I'm not King James only, I think there are good translations of the TR in other languages, like the Peking Committee Bible in Mandarin for instance, or you can just study the original languages if you want.\n\n>you may find it interesting that the local churches even have their own translation of the bible, called the recovery version, which contains extremely extensive footnotes of witness lee's teachings.\nYeah, I saw that. It's really sad to see us in a place where so many people are doing hack jobs of retranslating the Bible in their basement these days, not even trying to be objective about it, you know."}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>269\nfair enough. i assumed you were kjo. i appreciate the clarification. do you mind if i ask whether you're part of any denomination or group? i currently am not, which is frustrating because i do recognize the value of the assembly. after leaving the local church, though, i feel like i've run into something of a wall where organized christianity is concerned."}, {"id": 271, "content": ">>251\nI can't imagine drinking the papist koolaid to this extent. The logical overreaches are mind-boggling."}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>271\nWhat's your argument? Honest question. Peter did have leadership in the Church. But it doesn't mean he was perfect or Paul couldn't correct him. This is a meme. If you guys want to destroy the concept of Petrine authority, you should do a little better than calling anon's names or relying on strawmen that Catholics themselves don't even believe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "For instance, if 100 percent of people who were given the death penalty were later found to be innocent, I can’t imagine anyone would support the death penalty. There is some portion of people who are wrongfully given the death penalty. I must imagine that there is some point of inaccuracy that would cause you to not support the death penalty, right? Do you know what that would be? 10%? 20%? 30%?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth death penalty and jail should be abolished"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPhysiognomy\n\nIf the killer is a Gigachad he’s automatically not guilty\n\nIf the killer is an ugly chinless incel he’s guilty and shot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI see the death penalty as no different from other forms of punishment. The certainty needed to jail someone is the certainty needed to execute them. It is the nature of their crimes which require the death penalty."}, {"id": 5, "content": "You dont punish the crime you punish the person"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you asking how many innocent people I would sacrifice to condemn a guilty one? The answer is none. Now, do you have any data saying what percentage of innocent people are executed every year or are you just assuming with no real basis that some number of them must be innocent?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAccording to the national academy of science, about 4 percent of people who have been executed or are on death row were or are innocent. Here is a Wikipedia article which has some specific examples of wrongful executions as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#:~:text=The%20study%2C%20published%20in%20Proceedings,were%20and%20are%20likely%20innocent."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n*innocent of the crime they were convicted of. The nigger certainly did other crimes, and was an obnoxious piece of shit regardless."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m not going to answer your question tranny. If you kill someone you will be put to death. God sees all. You don’t believe in Him, so you will attempt to deceive people because you believe in the error of the court. You would fight to be free from death penalty in government. I know your fucking type, tranny. Go fuck your mom. If this was Reddit, I would simply click your username and find out that your posts go all the way into /r/analarchy and you wish you were a communist socialist nazi.\nThis is America, stop wearing your rags like you are a Muslim or a Jew. You are supposed to be wearing your bathing suit or a bikini on the beach, why the fuck are you in America going in health food stores dressed like a fucking cleric? Go back to Europe and bring back King Arthur, surely you aware his throne is occupied by dracula and Warcraft sucks now."}, {"id": 10, "content": "I only support the death penalty in exceptional cases. As a general rule, without a confession corroborated by strong evidence the death penalty would be essentially unobtainable. With a strongly corroborated confession secured, the contrition of the perpetrator would be considered. If they show no signs of remorse and are otherwise deemed incapable or unwilling to be rehabilitated then the death penalty can be sought, but may not be granted, depending on the case.\n\nWithout a confession, the requirements are much harder. Basically you need a person who is extremely dangerous, and whose guilt is beyond question, i.e. somebody who committed a very public atrocity and whose continued existence is a danger to public safety. I can't see this kind of person coming up more than maybe once in a hundred years, if that."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>I see the death penalty as no different from other forms of punishment.\nYou're pretty stupid, then. You can always release an exonerated person from prison, you can't revive a person wrongfully executed. There is no way for the state to make amends to a falsely convicted and executed person's family. Trying to buy them off is essentially putting a cheap price on a person's life, saying \"it's fine if we mistakenly kill our citizens, they're not worth much\"."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou can’t return the time spent in prison. In both cases you are trading life for money. You just dislike death penalty because you relish the idea of releasing vicious niggers into suburban neighborhoods, and you cannot release one of your agents from the grave."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is better than 10 innocent men die than one guilty man should go free."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nAre you against the principle of innocence until guilt is proven then?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>release someone from prison after they spent 30 years there cause you realise they were innocent\n>”look, we fixed our mistake!”"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeyond a reasonable doubt."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nEasier than calling a necromancer."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\nWhat if they're wrong?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThen that indicates they might also be wrong about someone being guilty."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIrrefutable proof"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica has strayed from God's direction, any death penalty applied by an American court is tantamount to murder. There is no justice in a satanic system that promotes murder, theft, abortion, etc."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nIf only those who are found guilty in a court of law are condemned to the death sentence, then who is someone else to make a counter-determination when they aren't impartial and unbiased? There's a reason why the court of law is what determines things, and not some solo guy calling the shots who could very well be wrong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was john brown the biggest soÿ cuck in American history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Biggest onions in American history\nThats quite the achievement"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I imagine him making the cobson face as he did his deeds."}, {"id": 4, "content": "He was not a onions cuck, and onions cucks back in the 1850s would've supported slavery because the science(TM) said blacks were inferior and abolishing slavery was a threat to democracy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>being not söy is synonymous with being contrarian"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wouldn't say that, but he unnecessarily radicalized and militarized a political dispute that otherwise would have resolved itself in due time."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Martyrs himself in an attempted revolt\nIf you think all of his beliefs were wrong then fair, but I don’t think you can call him a pussy if he died for them"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnah he never switched sides like the cuck who put down the rebellion."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was bananas crazy. Murdered slavers in Kansas with a broadsword and would take hours to get through a single prayer. Even the uneducated slaves in Harpers Ferry saw he was nuts and decided to rat on him."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>soÿ cuck\n\nWhat does that even mean? Seriously. Anyone whose not a rabid white supremacist racist?\n\nSeriously though, what is it with /pol/ dwellers that the only reason they can fathom for a white person not being a white supremacist who wants to exterminate black people is that they must have a fetish for being cuckolded by black men? Never that they just emphathize with their common humanity and see their suffering and discrimination as unjust. No, it must be this specific and unusual masochistic sex fetish.\n\nIn fact the fetish only makes sense if you are actually racist, because that's what makes it extra humiliating."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>What does that even mean?\nLook in the mirror"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nleddit (söy central) literally runs on conformism, so much that people don't even see dissenting posts."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Risking your life for your convictions and being executed is onions cuckery\nYou are a retard."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBeing a soÿ cuck now just means having genuine convictions and not just being detached and ironic about everything, so it would seem so."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If viruses actually cause disease, then the natives would have all died off immediately and it wouldn’t have taken a long time to notice. Also the Europeans would have caught diseases as well. None of this adds up and I’m tired of pretending that it does"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it wouldn’t have taken a long time to notice\nThey did notice. The plague hit Tenochtitlan before the Spanish did.\n>Also the Europeans would have caught diseases as well.\nThey did. We caught things like syphilis.\n>None of this adds up and I’m tired of pretending that it does\nBecause you are a moronic ideologue."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nsource"}, {"id": 4, "content": "bernal diaz del castillo's account on the conquest mentions how people, including the tlaxcaltec leader, started dying from smallpox and stuff like that\n>then the natives would have all died off immediately\nthe fuck?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpaniards caught syphilis but it didnt exterminate them. Racist virus"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngiwtwm"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>We caught things like syphilis.\nBraindead retard. That was in Europe since caesar’s time."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n\nIt's a matter that Eurasians are used to be urbanites, living close by with animals in massive cities. It is a petri dish of pathogens so we built resistances against them. By contrast, native Americans didn't have as many domesticated animals, and much lower population density, so less pathogens and lower resistance to diseases."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat virus has a 100% mortality rate?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">its another episode of retard has an extremely poor understanding of something and insists he is the correct one"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nit’s the entire premise of the War of the Worlds movie. But do you really think aliens will give a fuck about “viruses?” Ridiculous"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nBack then? Countless. Shit like smallpox was still survivable, but only if you were already from the Old World. Even then it was a huge fucking gamble with pre-antibiotic medicine but a peasant indian that never caught more than a simple cold had 0 chance."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nIt's not that there's an übervirus than can kill any living being, it's just that simple microorganisms Earth life is adapted to and are mostly inconsequential destroyed the immune systems of aliens who evolved in a completely different environment"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nRabies if not treated in time"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Spaniards who went to the Americas were all adults who would have had Smallpox as children. The concept of \"pox marks\" comes from this. Some people still had scars on their face from their experience with small pox as a child. The disease was still devastating to europeans but all the europeans killed by it were children, and because birth rates were high despite high child mortality it went mostly unrecorded since it was just part of the expectation that a child is likely to die before the age of five due to some childhood disease. For the natives what was notable about this is that they were getting the disease as adults and all at the same time. This not only cut their population, it also interupted the birth process as well because while the disease killed europeans, the europeans it killed being babies were replaced quite easily. For the natives there was a decades long process before the populations could even begin to recover."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere were pretty immediate epidemics in the Americas soon after contact with the Europeans. After the first contact, Spanish America was gradually depopulated as a result of brutal colonial policy combined with disease. It is fair to say the deaths of millions of Mexicans and Andeans are genocide on the part of the Spanish."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThe two countries you named literally have majority native American populations. Why are you making things up?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>During the 16th century, Mexico suffered a demographic catastrophe with few parallels in world's history. In 1519, the year of the arrival of the Spaniards, the population in Mexico was estimated to be between 15 and 30 million inhabitants. Eighty-one years later, in 1600, only two million remained."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nSource?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nhttps://academic.oup.com/femsle/article/240/1/1/536409#"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n> the population is estimated"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>was estimated to be between 15 and 30 million inhabitants.\n\nI estimate it between 2 and 50 billion"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nwhat university is your phd from?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nfpbp\n/thread"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nNo country in Latin America had a pure native majority. Guatemala is the closest, with like 47% Mayan natives."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nFactually incorrect."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n?"}, {"id": 28, "content": "OP is probably just an edgy teenager who is going through his white guilt phase."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>>17\nNo country in america is mostly native. Even those with massive populations over 20 millions like mexico are mestizos, mostly spanish but only paternally.\nDid the viruses killed men but not women?\nAlmost as if a brutal amount of abuse and child grooming took place\nAlmost as if they genocided adults and males and groomed female children"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nDepends on what you mean by native. By American 1/16th standards then sure, but people who are actual pure natives and identify themselves as such are not the majority in any Latin American country."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\nSankoro university why do you ask?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nalmost as if famine & brutal slave conditions makes disease more deadly..."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>germ theory being real means that viruses have to be 100% contageous and lethal\nWhat in the actual flying fuck? Come on, stronger bait next time, I can't even seethe about this because of the blatant trolling"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>14\nDidnt they recently find a cure other than a bullet? I remember a kid on my street supposedly caught rabies when i was very young. I dont remember ever seeing him again"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>7\nWoke revisionism"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nIf treated in time it's curable, but if you wait until symptoms start appearing you have no chance."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Spaniards should have learned how to keep their dicks in their pants"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>14\nThis is now heavily disputed, as antibodies to it are common. It might be that either you die, or it isn't serious, or has no symptoms at all, nothing in between."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>3\nEven if you got it you wouldn’t read it, would you mong? What’s your source on being a retard?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nFound the stalingrad schizo."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Religion is just a tool to control the masses\n>And that's a good thing"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Which religion controls people the best?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">being the meme"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nAbrahamic, the original hebrew faith was made to keep the comunity together during the bronxe age collapse"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, promotion and identification with a religion can be acceptable for pragmatic reasons. However, a genuine belief in the religious theology in the modern day is a sure sign of low-IQ and/or mental illness."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrue, thats why when europeans set out to explore the world, uncivilized people they encountered without the moral structure in place which they had seemed to be savage beasts."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased"}, {"id": 9, "content": "based. most average people are mindless beasts without Christianity to keep them in order."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nso do you actually believe in your religion, or only consider it a noble lie?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmen."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI'm not OP, but overall I've found my religion to be the noblest of lies, if it is one.\nt. Catholic"}, {"id": 13, "content": "I'm a Christian. Religion, understood as the doctrine and practice of one's faith, is definitely a good way of keeping people in line. It is definitely a good thing."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nNo. If you don’t believe something is true, don’t pretend it’s true. That is lying, which is wrong."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThere is no such thing as a noble lie."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThe \"noble lie\" refers to the lie told in Plato's republic which is a way of assigning nobility arbitrarily. Hence \"noble\"."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAnd such a lie would not be morally noble."}, {"id": 18, "content": "If your society needs the duct tape of religion to hold together it's a shithole. The best countries don't care much about religion."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis isn't the mainstream position among religitards so you're just shitposting and speaking for yourself here."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nIt would be morally acceptable if the nobility of the person were based on his moral uprightness. For although all men are born equal, some are more virtuous."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Religion is just a tool to control the masses\nno\n>And that's a good thing\nno"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Yes, yes... those of superior intellect such as myself should perchance rule over the common peasants by any means necessary..."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>12\nwhat an absolutely retarded thing to say"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nThen one’s power in society should be explicitly tied to their moral character and competence, not some bullshit lie about souls having metal."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>12\nIt would be if it wasn't a multi-million dollar pyramid scheme that actively shields criminals instead of disavowing those members. If it had an ounce more of its former power it would go back to being a shitty corrupt authoritarianism in no time."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">No man alive commands me, only God"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nThat what the metals represent. The point is that you have to lie about this trait being inborn or else you can't assign lifelong positions."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nYou only think that but in reality man is controlling you"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nhe posted a chad image, you've lost."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nI've disabled images on 4chanX, what now?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>3\nAtheism. Modern day is proof"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>3\nAtheism.\nPeople have to be really in a dark place to be removed from atheism. Whereas with Christianity it thrives in hardship and you only have to give someone comfort and ease to have them forget blessings."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nIf someone starts out as a just, wise, and honorable man, but becomes unjust, foolish, and dishonorable, then their power and status should be revoked."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is Why we hate White People"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\n>>29\nI am not chad of course, I'm still working on my abs, however it helps to realize how you are being manipulated and to act against it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>You are all these things!\n>N-no, I don't have evidence..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the implicatins of this passage? It's quite something for the creator of the universe to say this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvil in this sense is meant as in \"misfortune\" or \"suffering\". The verse basically says that God is free to reward or hurt whomever He seems fit.\n\nIn the past people would say something like:\n>I will inflict great evil upon you.\nMeaning that they're going to hurt you in some way."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou mean this >>2 ?\n\nSee pic. Evil in English can mean natural evil or moral evil. Often times when we commit moral evil, it results in natural evil (i.e. destruction, pain, etc.) God in this passage in Isaiah is claiming that He is the source of our punishment when offend. It's similar to this other passage in Deuteronomy:\n\n\"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.\"\n- Deuteronomy 32:39"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>when we* offend."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThat's a misunderstanding from the KJV, read a more modern one. The word for \"evil\" here is correctly translated contextually to be something like \"calamity\" aka the opposite of peace"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDo you know what natural evil means?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThe implications are that all which happens is from God. Even things you consider evil."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThis verse just isn't represented well by the KJV, whether it's due to the archaic English or a mistranslation I don't know, just see every other translation https://biblehub.com/parallel/isaiah/45-7.htm and look at the Hebrew to see \"calamity\" is a much better translation https://biblehub.com/hebrew/ra_7451.htm. It's obviously laying out opposites: light and dark, peace and disaster/calamity. It doesn't make sense to translate it as light vs dark, peace vs evil. Peace and evil are not opposites."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIs that relevant? Why don't you just accept that KJV isn't perfect and the use of evil there is incorrect."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>This verse just isn't represented well by the KJV, whether it's due to the archaic English or a mistranslation I don't know\nSure it is, it matches other English translations that came before it.\n\n>It doesn't make sense to translate it as light vs dark, peace vs evil. Peace and evil are not opposites.\nWell, if you look at the dictionary definition by Noah Webster, evil can be the opposite of peace when referring to natural evil or destruction. People should widen their vocabulary understanding of these things."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>whether it's due to the archaic English\nVery unlikely, as far back as anglo saxon times evil was used to mean bad. Looking up definitions of middle english comes up with a manner of different meanings related genuinely to bad things. It's a translation error."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>People should widen their vocabulary understanding of these things.\nGo ahead."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Looking up definitions of middle english comes up with a manner of different meanings related genuinely to bad things\nBeing punished is bad but that doesn't mean it's morally evil. Try broadening your understanding of English."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>>11\nkjv retard leave."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>it matches other English translations that came before it.\nWhy would this make it more valid as a translation or a holy scripture?\n\n>>11\n>evil can be the opposite of peace when referring to natural evil or destruction.\nIt can mean that, but it's like saying \"person\" instead of specifying man or woman. Are you serious here?\n\n>>14\nTry using better translations that don't lead to misinterpretations. Try studying hebrew yourself - you don't have to be fluent just able to read it with a dictionary."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>He is the source of our punishment when offend. It's similar to this other passage in Deuteronomy:\n\nIt doesn't sond like he's saing he's the source of punishment; he's sayinghe is the one tath creates said evil"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is sovereign over all"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\n>The verse basically says that God is free to reward or hurt whomever He seems fit.\n\nDoes that imply that every time something bad happens God is behind it or just sometimes?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Why would this make it more valid as a translation or a holy scripture?\nWell, you were acting like there is only one Bible that said \"evil\" there, like it was somehow an unusual word choice the KJV translators came up with. But actually that's how the word was used long before then in other English translations as well. See: https://textusreceptusbibles.com/Parallel/23045001/KJV1611/BSP/GNV\n\n>It can mean that, but it's like saying \"person\" instead of specifying man or woman. Are you serious here?\nSometimes when you read something, people might use a word in a way you haven't seen before. This doesn't mean it is wrong necessarily, just look up the definition first.\n\n>>17\n>It doesn't sond like he's saing he's the source of punishment; he's sayinghe is the one tath creates said evil\nYes, the evil or destruction is being caused by the Lord. That isn't a contradiction, see what it says in Deuteronomy:\n\n\"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.\"\n- Deuteronomy 32:39"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nCalling evil a calamity is not better, he would then be saying that he causes calamities that kill people"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\nSo is there no way around it? God will do horrible things and they will be just?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nForgot pic."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>you were acting like there is only one Bible that said \"evil\" there\nWhere? Saying that evil is a good translation because other translations do it is ridiculous.\n\n>Sometimes when you read something, people might use a word in a way you haven't seen before. This doesn't mean it is wrong necessarily, just look up the definition first.\nYou're being very pathetic now, and retarded because you're the one arguing that the simpler word evil is better than calamity. Evil can mean many things so it's a bad translation. Just accept that you're wrong."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nYes, and they will 100% deserve them."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n>TR\nI only trust the Nestle-Aland"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\n>Yes, the evil or destruction is being caused by the Lord\n\nThat doesn't sound great desu"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>Where? Saying that evil is a good translation because other translations do it is ridiculous.\nAh, but here >>9 the person said, \"just see every other translation...\"\n\nI just showed you more translations that actually match the 1611 translation, so you see that some other translations agree with it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nDifferent anon, that argument is retarded"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nIsn't that just a dictatorship then? Humanity is at the whim of someone we would otherwise consider evil.\n\nAlso if this is the case wehere foes the all loving part comes from?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>we would otherwise consider evil.\nI don't consider Him evil, but rather I recognize that I deserve to be punished for my sins, and that would result in evil for me. However, with the grace of God, I will be protected from that, as Paul also wrote in Second Timothy 4:18.\n\n\"And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.\"\n\n>Also if this is the case wehere foes the all loving part comes from?\nGod is all-good, and God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\nThe Bible practically opens with God drowning everyone to death in a flood, and Jesus said there are people who deserve to be drowned to death. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with killing"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nI'd be careful with that logic. There ISN'T anything intrinsically wrong with killing (in circumstances like punishing criminals, fighting wars, self-defense etc.) but it's important to remember that God can do things we can't in a moral as well as an actual sense. He chooses how and when people die so He kills literally 100% of people on the planet. If we killed everyone we met we'd obviously be doing something monstrous. God gives children cancer and kills the homeless in natural disasters. If we were to irradiate kids or kill homeless people same thing. Good and evil exist to begin with in relation to God, they don't make sense in any other context and can't be used to judge Him.\n\nProbably you agree with all that, it's just absolutely not true to say that \"anything that's moral for God is moral for us\" if that was your point.\n\nAlso why did the Islam thread get deleted, the big one, do they usually? Not a regular /his/ user."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nNo, God is not necessarily the cause of everything harmful that happens to people, obviously He can personally choose to punish someone specifically for certain reasons, but not all harm is because of Him. It can also be the case that God punishes you by allowing certain bad things to happen to you, just like how He did with Israel by allowing its enemies to rise against them in order to punish them."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">God is not necessarily the cause of everything"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which one is correct and why?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">literal scientificism and Sophia cultist idiots larping as creators of a nwo\nBased."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSorry if this makes no sense, I don't know much but I guess it hurts nobody:\nAfter the revolutions of the 18th-19th century, the new dominant society (in my country, we call they collectively \"burghers\", they represent illuminism, capitalism, socialism, democracy etc.) had no opposition. Europe was made up roughly of Nation States, the Ancien Regimes had been extinguished after decades of fighting, Science gained a lot of prestige and was at the forefront of burgher though, the church was weak, etc. In general, it seems a pretty good time compared to all that came before it, at least for the Burgher, who was drunk with success of their society. But it really wasn't that perfect. The biggest proof is that the same society that originated all this things also was the one that birthed the World Wars, fascism, social darwinism etc.\nThe error of the Burgher was thinking he was different from what came before and after it, that he was somehow the peak of human development and special, that somehow history followed a linear path between progress and time, separating modernity from all primitives that came before, making it perfect. That's something that Comte believed in when talking about the stages a society goes through in it's history.\nAlso, they tried to explain *everything* through rationalization (Comte's social physics), which is simply impossible in human sciences, some things just can't be explained like that.\nYeah, I don't really agree with Positivism."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnti-positivism and metaphysics is infinitely deeper and more intellectual rigorous than brainletivism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why is the virgin birth story in the quran? why did god decree that mary should give birth to jesus? what is the quranic theological justification?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccording to the quran god sent an angel to mary to tell her that she'll become pregnant even though she was a virgin, so he can become a prophet to the \" \"Israelites\" to spread the word of god and worship him"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy does the Quran record the seven sleepers of the Ephesus, the testament of Abraham, stories from the Alexander romance, etc. then claim to be a continuation of the abrahamic tradition despite everyone knowing that they were just stories (which is spoken about in the Quran and the Hadith).\n\nI could swear, Islam is the purist example of a sociopolitical ideology that proofs what many atheists accuse religion of being."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is that baby’s head on fire? I mean there’s water right there."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nMaybe he's got a lit mixtape, so let him cook."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is more likely\nThat the laws of nature were suspended?\nOr that a Jewish girl told a lie?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nGod is not consistent with nature out of obligation, rather, all of nature is consistent with God.\nBy the very concept of God, if something happens in nature that is incompatible with our understanding of nature, it cannot be proof of God's nonexistence. Instead, it is a reminder of the epistemological limitations of empiricism and the position of men."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>God is not consistent with nature out of obligation, rather, all of nature is consistent with God.\nI would be interested in learning more about your epistemology. Where is your evidence that not only God exists but he mandated Mary to give birth to a child without a penis entering her vagina? Thousands of years ago in roman palestine?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nthe quran and orthodox islam are two very different things"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI find it odd that nowhere in the bible or quran does it ever mention anyone doubting her story"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nI think you ask this question, because you know that physical evidence must be in correspondence with modern science and youre confident in your ablities to falsify such claims.\nBut such an endeavour is like studying a hammer in order to describe its creator, you can't, but you will certainly learn plenty about the hammer.\nThe concept we call God is vindicated by faith, not evidence.\nif you say:\n>all that exists is bound by the laws of physics\nthis is a faith based assertion."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>same arguments over and over and over and over and over an oh vague unprovable shit\ncan’t anyone stick to the topic"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhy is that baby’s head on fire? I mean there’s water right there."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is Fr. Vincent Lampert lying when he talks about his exorcism encounters that delve into the super natural or is he just describing extremely complex psycho-somatic phenomena?\n\nHe seems like a good person."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably not. There is some weird shit out there."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYeah, do you have any paranormal stories?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah its bullshit.\nNo evidence for demonic possession at all. Isn't it interesting that these supposed possessions that Lampert talks about are never recorded and in his accounts during interviews on YouTube, they are exactly like cringy horror movies?\n\nThis is a cynical attempt by the Catholic church to attract credulous young people back to it after they have left"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI don't think he is lying, but he could be mistaking eggregores for devils and/or suggesting himself"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nEven if they recorded everything and it all appeared as he said, skeptics would just say that it's fake and staged and move on."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nYou are possessed yourself."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis guy is gay."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>trust me bro"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nSome probably would because you can't ever convince everyone of anything, but saying you don't need to offer evidence because the audience is incredulous anyway is a copout."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nThey are not allowed to record it or reveal personal information."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Is this the \"John Paul II kidnapped the Orlandi girl\" exorcist? The one who spilled the beans about her being a sex slave for demonic rituals in London?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOption A) He is lying.\nOption B) The laws of physics are being broken and a supernatural entity is possessing people and making stuff float.\n\nHmm, I wonder which one is more unlikely!"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly he knows, though it does corroborate what other exorcists have experienced and their protocols.\n\nUsually (supposedly) bishops will appoint priests as exorcists out of the blue. Lobbying for yourself to be one is supposed to be a huge red flag, so exorcists are generally doing a job they didn't become a priest for."}, {"id": 15, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel\nJust let your mentally ill religious daughter be exorcised, surely what could go wrong? :^)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npsychological disorders ARE demons"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel\nwould psychiatry have been blamed for her death, if the church had no intervened?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThe psychiatric hospital wouldn't have strapped her down and starved her to death. Granted, they might have pumped her full of meds and shoved a funnel down her throat."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nSure, but suppose she did die. She didn't sound like a very healthy girl."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nIsn't the church supposed to have divine powers to perform exorcisms? 67 fucking rites and it doesn't work, was Jesus taking a vacation or what?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhy did psychiatry not save her? Were the jews just sleeping on her condition?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nAre you suggesting that the psychiatric establishment should be able to deny people access to Catholic officials?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course he's lying. Also has that classic nonce phenotype."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThey merely had first crack at her, and failed to help her. That shouldn't reflect at all on the validity of psychiatry in total of course."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nMaybe if they had 66 more cracks at her they could have gotten it to work."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\nI need more info on this."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\n\n>have definitive proof that the devil, and by extension God, is both real and able to manipulate the real world with dramatic consequences\n>not allowed to record it\n\nOK sure."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThere are always multiple priests in the room. Do you think they are all lying?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYeah obviously. Are you retarded?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nIf they were all lying they would go to hell. So either they are all charlatans, including the Church or there is something there. Might be some extremely complex psycho-somatic thing."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nPsychosomatic symptoms don't include levitation.\nAnd of course there's priests who are willing to lie. I know a prominent catholic priest in a major city who fucked one of his married parishioners. She and her husband both kept it quiet so only their children and some close friends know."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIf he repented and went to confession he would be OK I guess.\n>Psychosomatic symptoms don't include levitation.\nIt might have been an optic illusion, Priests standing at angle y, the guy doing weird spasms that would make it appear as levitation.\nLike the balducci trick."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nStill seems like a lie by omission. And fun fact, the husband and wife split but they're still married because the divorce proceedings would require airing their dirty laundry.\nI was under the impression that they had private recordings of the exorcisms. The exorcist is either a liar or exceedingly incompetent."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nbut they did anon, the parents trusted the psychiatric hospitals, which prescribed the meds that caused her disability in the first place. Praise science!"}, {"id": 35, "content": "pump"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nNo they didn't."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>21\n>Why did psychiatry not save her? Were the jews just sleeping on her condition?\nRetard. Psychiatry doesn't claim to have divine powers."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>21\nBecause it's pseudoscience, for one."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>13\n>The laws of physics are being broken\nA lot more likely if you ever decided to actually study physics. It's not a perfect science"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's nothing the precludes the possibility that he's describing extremely complex psycho-somatic phenomena AND lying."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSatan and his demons recoil in fear at the sound of poorly pronounced latin."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>4\nthere is confidentiality just like with the seal of confession. no shit they don't record it"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe seems very honest and humble to me. i saw on patrick bet david's podcast that there was a guy who was calling bullshit and he didn't really seem offended as if he was confident what he has seen is true and that there will always be people not believing it"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>20\nbuddy it's not unheard of that it takes over 100 tries. it's a process that differs depending on the severity of the case"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nYeah, the kike Adam. Disrespectful philistine. It's good to be skeptical and inquisitive but Jews always, instinctively, go against Christ."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>28\n\nWhy do you immediately jump to \"liar\" and not \"mistaken\"?\n\nWhy don't they record it and release the footage so everyone can see and reach their own conclusions?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We could've been so happy together."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Born: 10 June 1897\n>Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia by Eugène Fabergé\n>Date: 21 October 1914\nShe was only 17 years and and 3 months old in that picture you sick fucking bastard."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHere she is at 19 then"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nhit the wall hard"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nDo NOT bully Tatiana. Say sorry to her."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nas soon as she says sorry for... uhh... *checks notes* being the daughter of someone who was emperor\nwait that can't be right"}, {"id": 7, "content": "She looks haughty and vain."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nShe looks ambivalent imo. She had a very kissable face."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Asiatic princess thread?\nhttps://youtu.be/IoulLc9bVSA?t=390 [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nAsiatic? Tatiana is of German ancestry"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThose almond eyes are German?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYeah. I don't know how, but she was mostly of German/Danish ancestry."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nEither way she called Rasputin daddy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nLies"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "From someone who had to study Religion at school for literally 12 fucking years, this is the definitive tier list of mainline religions.\nhttps://tiermaker.com/create/religion-tierlist-1446014"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Caodai, Hotep.\n>Mainstream.\n\n>LDS that low.\nCringe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n14 years, here's the list. I didn't have to, but I decided to."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhat prompted you to put Shinto in S? Never though very highly of it but I haven't studied it mutch either."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWhy is Catholicism rated higher than Christianity as a whole?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>1 (OP)\n>Jew Worship rated higher than actual Judaism\nI'm not a fan of either, but surely the master should be in a higher tier than the slave."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>has Christianity, Islam and Buddhism plus all their main subdivisions\nwhy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot including the 18 different brands of paganism (most of which we know basically nothing about) or some meme religions.\nAlso not including stuff like Yazidism, Ibadism, Druze since I honestly don't know much about them."}, {"id": 9, "content": "S tier: Pro LGBT humanism\nF tier: everything else"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> From someone who had to study Religion at school for literally 12 fucking years\nThen tell me what Gnostic Juche is, preferably with link sauce."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>LDS that low.\n>Cringe.\nThis, the more I study LDS the better their theology is, should be C tier at least.\nAlso Catholicism not S tier, instantly dropped"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">Armenian Church\n>Uses the Assyrian Church of the East Logo\n>making Coptic seperate from Armenian when they have the same theology\nNot even the same ethnic group or same religion. Which brainlet made this??"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>Mormonism is memetier\n>tengri isn’t and Gnosticism is A tier"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHow is mormonism not absolutely retarded?\nTengriism is in E tier. It's a real religion but still just pagan shamanic shite with no intellectual depth beyond killing an animal and seeing what colour the entrails are.\nGnosticism is great."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>How is mormonism not absolutely retarded?\nRegardless of wether you agree with it or not (I’m Catholic so I don’t have a high opinion of them) there are actual serious arguments and internal theology within it. Which is more than can be said for the few tribesman who still practice tengriism\nIf you are actually interested I’ve been going through this slowly https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/exploring-mormon-thought-exploring-mormon-ivmxjr_b9VF/\n\n>Gnosticism is great\nGnosticism is just when step away from Reddit atheism, it can be summarised as “okay guys but what if God is LE BAD!!!!!”\nThe only Gnosticism I have any kind of acknowledgment as a serious religion are Mandeism and Druze"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nI'm catholic, and I see it as the only legitimate branch of Christianity. Christianity is lower than catholicism because when you say \"christianity\" youre also dirtying your mouth by speaking of pr*ts.\n\n>>4\nOne could argue that it's the world's most successful paganistic religion, if only due to how easily it melds with other religions. It still holds great sway in the lives of many Japanese, even those who consider themselves atheists. also, sovl and weebery have popularized it's mythology.\n\n>>6\nlol."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n> it can be summarised as “okay guys but what if God is LE BAD!!!!!”\nNo it cannot. Gnosticism is a deeply ascetic religion, unlike catholicism. A gnostic rejects material reality, which already sets them completely apart from any political movement today, all of which are extremely materialistic."}, {"id": 18, "content": "this whole thread is pathetic bait"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>No it cannot.\nYes it is.\n>Gnosticism is a deeply ascetic religion\nOnly some forms of it. There were many hedonist gnostics such as the Euchites and the Cathar Layman.\n>unlike catholicism.\nAs me how I know you are full of it.\n\n>A gnostic rejects material reality,\nI agree.\n>which already sets them completely apart from any political movement today,\nNah it puts them in line with the LGBT movement who reject the material reality of Gender."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>unknown\n>>8\nfrom someone who barely knows anything beyond wikipedia shit about most of these but was just barely interested enough in anons’ potential reactions to make a reply:"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nforgot image lol, forgive me invisible gods"}, {"id": 22, "content": "note that I would place all those \"paganisms\" one tier higher if:\nA. I had any knowledge of what their mythology actually was (if they're in the E) category)\nor B. I could be assured that we're talking about the historical practitioners of those religions and not modern larpagans"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nTengrism has far more wissom than any gnostic meme movement."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>religion, western\n:l\n>religion, asian\n:O"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>places a bunch of side character literal whos at the top\nYou're a Catholic vs Jew world bent on cosmological war. No one else matters. Jews know it. I know it. Only you retards don't. Despite studying for so long.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUv01s-ckh4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": "here's my list"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Imagine making a Dragonball tier list and putting Yamcha at the top and barely mentioning Goku."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\njust passing by and don't know about the other one but Cathar layman were not hedonist wtf."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI will 100% agree the priests were asetic, but there are numerois accounts of Cathar Layman engaging in degenerate acts such as orgies because\n1) they didn’t believe in the Eucharist which one needs to confess and perform repentance before one can part take\n2) they only had two real sacraments which were baptism and last rights, so they could sin it up until the end and then they just had to confess at the end.\nI would recommend the book “Kill Them All”."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Study religion in school for 12 years\nSo you just had middle school tier religious studies. You are not any kind of authority in the subject.\nIt's the same as someone calling itself a mathematician because they studied maths for their whole time in school."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>19\n>There were many hedonist gnostics such as the Euchites and the Cathar Layman.\nCompletely unrelated to Gnosticism.\n>As me how I know you are full of it.\nBy all means tell me how Catholicism as a whole is an ascetic religion. You have monks for sure, but your typical believer and fat bishop aren't all that detached from worldly desires.\n>Nah it puts them in line with the LGBT movement who reject the material reality of Gender.\nThey don't reject reality, they just reject empirical observation. LGBT people are extremely materialistic in that they are obsessed with their bodies and with how other people perceive them."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pooshit that high\n>european paganism that low\nThose 12 years were a waste."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>the gnostics are Completely unrelated to Gnosticism.\nThe UTTER fucking state of redditors\n\n>By all means tell me how Catholicism as a whole is an ascetic religion\nHard pass because I refuse to fall for that bait and switch.\nYou stated\n>Gnosticism is a deeply ascetic religion, unlike catholicism.\nMeaning that Catholicism has no deeply ascetic elements, which is does.\nTo change that statement to\n>Gnosticism is an exclusively ascetic religion, unlike catholicism.\nWould make the latter half of the statement true, but the former part false, as I previously proved.\nSo either way your statement is false.\nWhich half of your statement would you like to be wrong?\nHonest question btw.\n\n>They don't reject reality\nYes they do\n>they just reject empirical observation\nAbout what?\nAbout reality\nergo they reject reality, they reject the material reality that they will always be male/female.\n\n>LGBT people are extremely materialistic in that they are obsessed with materialistic thing,\nYes but not in a positive way, they hate the material and see it as enslaving them “truth”.\nThe material lie of their existence as a male is something they obsess over but in the same way a Gnostic obsessed very the material reality he is trapped in."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour list is terrible, OP."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>these people had to be gnostics because the Catholics labelled them as such, even if they didn't have any gnostic beliefs\nlol\n>bait and switch.\nNo such thing here.\n>>Gnosticism is a deeply ascetic religion\nand\n>>Gnosticism is an exclusively ascetic religion\nAre the same claim, essentially.\nYou cannot be a gnostic (an actual gnostic not some brand of christianity you don't like) without being an ascetic, because giving yourself away to hedonism is inherently contradictory with gnosticism. You can be a catholic without being an ascetic, in fact the vast majority of catholics aren't. Asceticism is circumstancial in catholicism, even more so than in other branches of Chalcedonian Christianity.\n>Yes they do\nNo, they are deeply enslaved by their senses.\nYou are confusing the criteria for truth of an empirically verifiable statement (ie \"that person is a man\") with material existance itself.\n> a Gnostic obsessed very the material reality he is trapped in.\nThey aren't obsessed with it, they just reject it as an ilussion."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>gnostic juche and other meme religions practiced by 12 people\n>all of paganism is bundled together except for slavic (?)\n>”totemism”\nGo back to college. You didn’t learn shit."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">using the word \"hinduism\" and \"Islam\" as a blanket term while using differentiating meme Christan sects\nNice larp"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat's your take on chatolic homo-pedo mongering?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nalso, what drove you to place tengrism that low?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>15\nGnosticism perfectly explains observable reality.\nJew Worship of the Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or any other variety doesn't explain shit, it just makes you a slave of the Jews."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\nOnly good one ITT"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI ranked this on how good at running a society they are, how interesting their belief system is and also added a coolness factor. Everything in D is basically F tier but atleast they are cool which bumps them up 2 tiers. Also bonus point for every religion practicing human sacrifice"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>18\nYeah, basically. People are still biting though, which is fucking pathetic."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>35\n>these people had to be gnostics because the Catholics labelled them as such, even if they didn't have any gnostic beliefs\nThey were gnostics because they were literally gnostics\nNEXT!\n\n>>Gnosticism is a deeply ascetic religion\n>and\n>>Gnosticism is an exclusively ascetic religion\n>Are the same claim, essentially.\nNot they aren’t the 2nd is an absolute claim learn how to argue and stop trying to bait and switch, it’s intellectually dishonest\n\nEverything you say next ranges from baseless claims to pure cope so I won’t bother. You clearly (like most redditors) know very little about Gnosticism."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nThanks for proving my earlier point that Gnostics are one step from being Reddit atheoids.\nRather being ass blasted at the God they claim they don’t believe in, Gnostics acknowledge straight up they are ass blasted at Dad.\nEven if God was the Demiurge, I’ll back him any day of the week, stay mad predditor"}, {"id": 46, "content": "Absolutely retarded list, as per the reasons everyone else has mentioned, but here"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>study Religion at school for literally 12 fucking years\nyep, christcukery is retarded, more news @ 11"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>31\n>>There were many hedonist gnostics such as the Euchites and the Cathar Layman.\n>Completely unrelated to Gnosticism.\n>>35\n>>these people had to be gnostics because the Catholics labelled them as such, even if they didn't have any gnostic beliefs\n\n>Be me\n>Be Cathar\n>Believe that the material world is the domain of the devil\n>Believe the spiritual world is the domain of God\n>Believe the material is inherently evil to the point that I deny the incarnation because God would never take on filthy material flesh so also no Eucharist\n>Believe in Antinatalism because trapping children in material flesh is wrong so beat pregnant women to induce miscarriages\n>Believe sex is of the flesh and inherently evil so engage in orgies because if you are going to have sex there isn’t a metaphysical difference between sex with 1 person or sex with 10 people.\n>Hundreds of years later be sitting in hell watching a Reddit atheist LARPing as a Gnostic explain why acktchually Cathars aren’t gnostic at all.\nThe UTTER FUCKING STATE of Reddit “”gnostics””"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>Dad\nthe Jew you worship doesn't see you as his child, at best he sees you as his dog.\n\nIn today's world it takes 10 minutes of reading wikipedia to find out that virtually the entire media and financial industry in the West is run by Jews, and it takes only a little critical thinking to figure out that they're using it to deceive and harm the population.\nyet the average Christian is completely unaware of it despite having consumed tens of thousands of hours of Jewish-produced TV shows, movies and other media. Which is to say, the vast majority of Christians is objectively retarded."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>Which is to say, the vast majority of Christians is objectively retarded.\namen, if only they rad the bible, kekmao"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>10\nhttp://www.korean-books.com.kp/KBMbooks/en/work/leader1/20230412110738.pdf"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>6\nMost Jewshit is literally ancestor worship and racial supremacy, that is why. Also the reality is the Religion was completely subsumed by Zionism which is their real religion now.\n>>24\nReality is that Asian religions literally just have more meaningful lessons, skills and application to the real world in helping your life than Abrahamic religions or meme pagan religions.\n>>32\nEuro Paganism are literally just far-right larps and memes of edgy BPD emo girls.\n>>36\nSlavic \"paganism\" is literally just Slavic Nazism with traditionalist \"WE WUZ VIKINGS\" larping. Native American animist beliefs are just as legitimate as Shinto"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>Most Jewshit is literally ancestor worship and racial supremacy\nyes, but the Jews at least worship their own ancestors and view themselves as the chosen race.\nChristcucks worship the ancestors of a foreign people, and view another race as the chosen one. It doesn't get more pathetic than that."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>3\n> Shinto S tier\ni thank god every day you weeb losers will never have kids"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>unknown\n>Inuit Religion-A\n>Mayan Religion-S\n>Atheism-S\nBased retard"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\n>Euro Paganism are literally just far-right larps and memes of edgy BPD emo girls.\nAre we discussing the substance of the religions themselves or the general profile of its adherents? Because if its the latter, then literally every religion is dogshit-tier, including- and especially- your beloved pooshit."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\n>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO WORSHIP YOURSELF LIKE ME!!!!!!\n>NOOOOOO STOP BELIEVING IN SOMETHING HIGHER THAN YOURSELF YOU HAVE TO BE A COOMER LIKE ME!!!!!!!!!\nIt doesn't get more pathetic than that."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>46\nBased list. Here's mine:\n\nS: True Church\nA: Apostolic Churches\nB: Heterodoxical churches\nC: Heresies\nD: Malignant heresies and astray Philosophies/Religions\nE: Non-Abrahamic (Pagan) and Joke Religions\nF: Directly Satanical"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>11\n>the better their theology is\nLol. Hold on, let me go get my ballcap and a rock, I've got some \"revelations\" for you."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nLutheran Churches are Apostolic though"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nwhy isn't Shinto in E with the other Pagan religions? Shinto is literally a variant of animism"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nIf you spent over a decade \"studying\" religion nobody should listen to your opinion about anything"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\nYou put some directly satanic in E tier."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\n>S: True Church\nThen why are Coptic and Armenian in A?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\nOnly certain European parishes attempt to be so. The majority are as apostolic as baptists"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>61\nbecause Shinto has higher prestige than most other pagan/folk religions."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hoteps\n>Satanism\n>JW\n>LDS\n>Scientology\n>Islam\nNot real religions."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>26\nThe only correct answer"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>35\n>no TRUE Scotsman"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>59\nkek"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nBeing a retard isn't a religion either"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you Indian?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>3\n>Shinto\n\nNigga..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the original \"good times makes weak people, etc\" philosopher was an arab living in a declining caliphate\nIt all makes sense now."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Zoomer population ought to be liquidated."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Peace makes plenty.\n>Plenty makes pride.\n>Pride breeds quarrel.\n>Quarrel breeds war.\n>War brings spoil.\n>Spoil brings poverty.\n>Poverty brings patience.\n>Patience brings peace."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Stability and internal peace bring prosperity.\n>Prosperity causes population increase.\n>Demographic growth leads to overpopulation.\n>Overpopulation causes lower wages, higher rents and falling per capita incomes for the commoners.\n>Falling commoner living standards cause revolution.\n>Peace causes war."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nhe never said picrel"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMany pages quoting it, including islamic ones. Oddly enough, he was also quoted by two american presidents, Kennedy and Reagan.\nBut I can't find the actual source for the quote."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nAlso one le Reddit page that has the quote includes a short investigation, where users find out the image was taken from an ISIS recruitment Facebook page.\nWhy would ISIS even post this?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Ibn Khaldun\n>died 1406\n>regarded to be among the founding fathers of modern sociology, historiography, demography and economics\n>modern\n???"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nretards attribute sayings to him to make them less invalid. i've seen an aljazeera journalist saying that he complemented \"women leaders\" such as al-kahina, when in reality he said the exact opposite. others say he was a liberal who's all for human rights, even though he was actually racist and called certain races \"below human.\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\noh god it's so true, the middle east used to be kino until muslims started inbreeding and smoking hookah in their silly pointy sandals"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nProlly coz isis be \"salafi\" and they opposed to the Sufis who believe that good dead people are alive(basically saint equivalent).Also they need \"living\" youth to bring back the so called Khilafa(h/t)/Caliphate.My take"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nHe came 700 yr after islam.So he is a part of the \"Islamic Civilisation\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nMillennials should"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nWhat?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "it's called \"the Bible\". you oughta try it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo, no, you see, it doesn't count because...because it just doesn't, OKAY?!!\n>what is the didache?\nSilence!"}, {"id": 4, "content": "More importantly why didn't contemporary Roman sources write about it. Surely a guy feeding thousands of people with a single picnic basket or returning from the dead would be worthy of a single contemporary Roman note"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nI actually believe in God but I'm having trouble with the theory that Paul ''invented'' christianity, I'm not against christianity or anything I just want to understand it better in order to reach a proper conclusion"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThey probably did but Hadrian completely destroyed Israel."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhat do you mean by Paul \"invented\" Christianity? Elaborate."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI don't understand it too well myself, that's why I'm confused, anyway, here's the comment:\n\nWhat I would suggest you do is go and look at when the gospels were written. The earliest written books are multiple generations following Jesus' supposed life.\n\nTo most, that isn't proof. They accept that people secretly spoke about Jesus. It doesn't matter to them that nobody who met Jesus ever wrote about it. It doesn't matter to them that nobody who heard Jesus speak wrote about it.\n\nTo them, it makes more sense that they secretly passed this along, for generations, and never wrote a single word about it.\n\nAnd then there's Paul. Paul lived. There is primary source material. He was alive when Jesus was supposedly alive. Paul never met Jesus.\n\nThe earliest writings about Christianity are from Josephus/Flavius Josephus, an important scholar and historian. He was born in Jerusalem in 37AD. At the end of his life, at the end of the century, he wrote about a group of Christians. There is evidence these people were Paulian/mixed with Paulian cultists.\n\nMessiah figures were very common around the time Paul sprung up. It was very common, in Greece, in Rome, among Jews, to all fantasize that the messiah was coming, or the messiah was here. Many people were claiming to be the messiah.\n\nTo me, I try to think about what makes sense. Does it make sense some jerkoff used a messiah myth to start a small cult that eventually grew to be very large and influential? Does it make more sense someone who nobody ever met and wrote about was actually a mythological figure that did miracles? That nobody at the time wrote about?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>What I would suggest you do is go and look at when the gospels were written. The earliest written books are multiple generations following Jesus' supposed life.\nProof?\n>And then there's Paul. Paul lived. There is primary source material. He was alive when Jesus was supposedly alive. Paul never met Jesus.\nHe did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus.\n>The earliest writings about Christianity are from Josephus/Flavius Josephus, an important scholar and historian.\nNo, the earliest writings are the Gospels.\n>Messiah figures were very common around the time Paul sprung up. It was very common, in Greece, in Rome, among Jews, to all fantasize that the messiah was coming, or the messiah was here. Many people were claiming to be the messiah.\nSo why would people rally around a crucified and humiliated criminal as their messiah and suffer persecution for years? For the lulz?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nliteracy back in those days was only available to 15% of the population max, who were often rich elites living in cities. Jesus appealed to the poor. If anything, it's a miracle there\n>>4\nJesus wasn't very special to most elites back then. There were dozen of people like him running about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTilTcdVAb8&t= [Embed] is an excellent example of what the average literate roman probably thought of him.\n."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThe earliest writings on Jesus are Paul (unless a more conservative Mark/Matthew dating is accepted, there's some debate there) and Paul's letters use earlier sources (hymns and creeds) that date to a few years after the crucifixion. Also there were other people who preached Jesus during and before his time, as Paul says in his letters, so he couldn't have been the originator of a messianic movement around Jesus"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nHm yeah I thought it sounded weird, I believe that even Bart Ehrman said that it was very unlikely to be the case\n\nBut like I said I didn't post this to go against christianity it just made me raise an eyebrow but yeah that theory doesn't really make sense"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nYou are clearly intelligent and are closely inching towards the true answer.\nI'll let you into a secret - ITS BULLSHIT.\n\nI've tried again and again to debate Christians and Muslims on this /his/. You can never reason with them. If you ask logical questions about Christianity it falls apart.\n\nEven if you take the story to be true. Its still primitive and nonsensical. Does Jesus's mother being a virgin automatically make him right in everything he says?, or automatically confirm that he is both the son of God and God in human form?\n\nIs it not stupid and silly to believe that our wrongdoings our forgiven because of a brutal human sacrifice of Jew thousands of years ago in Roman controlled palestine?\nIs this not primitive Jewish scapegoating? - Just like the animal sacrifices in the old testament?\n\nBoth Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the origins of Jesus. Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem, no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\n\nNo eyewitness testimony of Jesus, we do not have the original gospels, we do not know who wrote them, written 50 odd years after the supposed events.\n\nIf you had to guess what's more likely, that all of this is true or its bullshit?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>but it's...le weird and dumb?\nI hear the same line of \"reason\" from fundie creationists who say evolution is stupid lol"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>I hear the same line of \"reason\" from fundie creationists who say evolution is stupid lol.\nStrawman argument.\nThere is no serious scientist who denies evolution, the theory is the consensus in the scientific community. No such consensus exists with the supposed miracles of Jesus or the idea that wrongdoings can be absolved through human sacrifice"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThey didn't really believe until the second temple was razed and confirmed their predictions. Christianism began in 70 CE."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n> Does Jesus's mother being a virgin automatically make him right in everything he says?\nWho's making that claim?\n>or automatically confirm that he is both the son of God and God in human form?\nIt's a supernatural miracle, so I say it does.\n>Is it not stupid and silly to believe that our wrongdoings our forgiven because of a brutal human sacrifice of Jew thousands of years ago in Roman controlled palestine?\nThat you consider it \"stupid and silly\" is predicated on your own preconceived naturalist notions. An appeal to incredulity fallacy.\n>Jesus was from Nazareth but an elaborate fabrication had to be invented to have him being born in Bethlehem,\nProof there was an \"elaborate fabrication?\"\n>no census took place, Quirinius was not Governor of Syria at that time.\nQuirinius actually ruled Syria on two separate occasions, and there were actually two censuses taken. The “first census” mentioned in Luke 2:2 occurred during Quirinius’ first term as governor, and another during his second term. The second census is mentioned in Acts 5:37 and probably took place between AD 6 and 7 (Josephus links this census to an uprising led by Judas of Galilee).\n>No eyewitness testimony of Jesus,\nGospels.\n> we do not have the original gospels,\nSo?\n>we do not know who wrote them,\nMatthew, Mark, Luke, and John.\n>written 50 odd years after the supposed events.\nAnd? Still the same generation. And there's evidence that a creed cited in the Pauline letters dates back to mere months after the Resurrection if you're interested."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>There is no serious scientist who denies evolution, the theory is the consensus in the scientific community. No such consensus exists with the supposed miracles of Jesus or the idea that wrongdoings can be absolved through human sacrifice\nAnd there is no serious Christian scholar who disputes the miracles of Jesus."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n>He did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus.\nDidn't this happen after the death of Jesus? I think Paul never met Jesus while He was alive"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nThat's not even strawman, you're literally saying Christianity sounds dumb to you and therefore it's wrong, the same thing creationists do when talking about fish becoming monkeys and dogs becoming whales and all that sounding stupid. It's not an argument"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nearly christians were a schizo zoroastrian-judaism mix"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n>Who's making that claim?.\nChristians make this claim. He was born of a virgin, performed miracles, follow me and your sins are forgiven etc etc. The supposed miracles are used as \"proof\" that Jesus was God, therefore right in everything that he says.\n\n>It's a supernatural miracle, so I say it does.\nAgain, do you believe anything you read? Are you that credulous? Have you considered that there is no evidence that this can happen? Are you aware of the countless other religions and deities that were supposedly born also of a virgin, including the buddah?\nNo evidence for the supernatural, for it to take place the laws of nature would of had to be suspended, no evidence that this has ever happened. Extraordinary claims such as this require extraordinary evidence. Which the gospels do not provide - see my previous reply.\n\n>Proof there was an \"elaborate fabrication?\"\nQuirinius did not govern syria, when Jesus was supposedly alive. Secondly the fabrication had to take place in order to fulfil the Jewish prophecy that he was to be born in Bethlehem and therefore the messiah, which interestingly the Jews rejected. According to the bible the census required people to return to their hometowns. This NEVER happened, look up any historians, this is a massive hole in the gospel accounts, not to mention they contradict, both Matthew and Luke are different and wrong.\n\n>Gospels.\nGospels are not eyewitness testimony, read them, they are accounts of Jesus' life written 50 years or so after his death. If I wrote today that I saw Elvis Presley rise from the dead would you believe it, because it was written down.\n\n>Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.\nThat is the mere titles, not a confirmation of who wrote them. I could write letter titled Putin, does not mean that Putin wrote it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\nThere's no actual proof that Saul was real and the writings attributed to him were written at the time"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nAlso don't forget all of the gospels, including the ones left out of the 360 CE version of the bible"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\n>No, the earliest writings are the Gospels.\nThe earliest was written 60 years after his death. We have no other evidence besides hearsay. Embellished oral tradition."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\n>No such consensus exists with the supposed miracles of Jesus or the idea that wrongdoings can be absolved through human sacrifice\nBecause that isn't up to the scientific community, for obvious reasons\nThe same culture can both delve into a religious mystery and uphold the standards of scientific knowledge. But each one has to know their respective place inside the spiritual economy of said culture\nThe historical grounds for the origin of christianity will always be shakey. If that turns people away i guess that's on them. Healthy skepticism is good, in a way.\nThe ideas that Jesus performed miracles and that wrongdoings can be absolved through human sacrifice can be continuously questioned in their religious sense as theology and philosophy go deeper and deeper into the essence of Christianity. It's obvious that what is contained in Christianity isn't the \"objective\" state of things that positive sciences deal with. What the faktum of Christianity has to offer is that, somewhow, the sense of universal History along with its ethical core has been made manifest to us at a point in time.\nPhilosophies of History and certain aspects of Catholic metaphysics are somewhat outdated, granted. But still. The idea that the progress of the positive sciences must force us to abandon the religious aspect of our culture is silly. The idea that if we can't affirm categorically the historical existence of Jesus we should completely abandon the whole issue is also silly. Obviously something happened 2000 years ago, and historians generally accept that Jesus existed. The whole issue with miracles and sacrifices has to be studied by theologians and philosophy of religion though."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nHe was the leader of a group of seditionists that created a cult of lies that repurposed older Egyptian/mithraic myths."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>19\nYou do know Jesus is still alive, right?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nWe have plenty of writings from the 1st century, but not so much during his life. This is because his disciples were uneducated fishermen, etc, and Jesus said the way to spread his message was preaching in the streets. So that's what they did."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>18\n>Christian scholar.\nAnd there is no Marxist scholar who refutes Marx.\nSee the problem here?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>22\n>Christians make this claim. He was born of a virgin, performed miracles, follow me and your sins are forgiven etc etc. The supposed miracles are used as \"proof\" that Jesus was God, therefore right in everything that he says.\nIt sounded like you were saying that it was solely the virgin birth that validates Jesus' claims.\n>Again, do you believe anything you read? Are you that credulous? Have you considered that there is no evidence that this can happen? Are you aware of the countless other religions and deities that were supposedly born also of a virgin, including the buddah?\nNo religion has better historicity than Christianity. I'm more inclined to believe their claims.\n>No evidence for the supernatural, for it to take place the laws of nature would of had to be suspended, no evidence that this has ever happened.\nWhat? Why?\n>Extraordinary claims such as this require extraordinary evidence.\nThere's tons of evidence already.\n>Quirinius did not govern syria, when Jesus was supposedly alive.\nYes he did.\n> Secondly the fabrication had to take place in order to fulfil the Jewish prophecy that he was to be born in Bethlehem and therefore the messiah, which interestingly the Jews rejected.\nProof of fabrication?\n>According to the bible the census required people to return to their hometowns. This NEVER happened, look up any historians, this is a massive hole in the gospel accounts, not to mention they contradict, both Matthew and Luke are different and wrong.\nA census in AD 104 required people to return to their home towns. Just saying. Just because it didn't usually happen doesn't mean it couldn't have happened."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>his disciples were uneducated fishermen\nOne of his disciples was a tax collector."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>20\n>you're literally saying Christianity sounds dumb.\nReligion is an affirmation of faith, science is about inquiry and scepticism. They are not the same.\n>>13 See my previous reply, no attempt to refute my points, because you are not interested, you do not want your delusions shattered."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1\nwhy didn't early christians write anything about Jesus?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>22\n>Gospels are not eyewitness testimony, read them, they are accounts of Jesus' life written 50 years or so after his death. If I wrote today that I saw Elvis Presley rise from the dead would you believe it, because it was written down.\nThey are eyewitness testimonies.\n>Luke 1:1 - Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.\n>That is the mere titles, not a confirmation of who wrote them. I could write letter titled Putin, does not mean that Putin wrote it.\nWe have many attestations from the early church fathers, as well as the books themselves. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they *didn't* author them. You made a claim, so substantiate it."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\n>The earliest was written 60 years after his death.\nSo what? It's still the same GENERATION. Written by people who actually witnessed the events.\n>>30\n>And there is no Marxist scholar who refutes Marx.\n>See the problem here?\nDo you? So why are you using scientific consensus as evidence of truth?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nWe have no eyewitness testimonies. The gospels were written long after his death, the earliest author would have been 8-10 at the time."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nThey were pretty uneducated too. Roughing people up for money doesn't take a lot of literacy."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nThere’s no evidence they witnessed anything, only hearsay and oral tradition, which is not sufficient to decide anything in a court of law."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\n>Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.\nHave you considered that that was a lie, that they were bullshiting? It is also claimed in the quran that Muhammad spoke to an angel in a cave or Mormon's claim that Joseph Smith found golden tablets, (which they are supposedly eyewitnesses) you believe that BS too? Convenient that they do not go into detail who those eyewitnesses were?\n\n\n>he burden of proof is on you to prove that they *didn't* author them. You made a claim, so substantiate it.\n\nThere are NO eyewitness testimonies of Jesus, we do not have the original gospels, or corroborating evidence, we do not know who wrote them. This is a common view amongst any theologian scholars, catholic, evangelical protestant, reformed etc etc.\n\nIf evidence was found tomorrow that Plato or Socrates did not exist, I would not care, we could still read their accounts. But Jesus was no ordinary philosopher or teacher, it was claimed he defied the laws of nature and was God himself in the flesh. Who then took part in a human sacrifice, to redeem us of our sins. These extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Which you cannot provide, pointing to the gospels is akin to pointing to the Hadiths of Islam as proof to claim that Muhammad was God's final prophet. Its not impressive"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\n>We have no eyewitness testimonies. The gospels were written long after his death, the earliest author would have been 8-10 at the time.\nThe gospels were written in the same generation as the time of Jesus. Are you high?\n>There’s no evidence they witnessed anything, only hearsay and oral tradition, which is not sufficient to decide anything in a court of law.\nNo evidence they didn't witness anything either. We can play this game."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>33\nSkeptics question their own senses and every basic common sense assumption they have, even including causality. Dismissing something because you think it sounds dumb or because it doesn't appeal to your biases is not being skeptical, it's being a fundie.\n>Religion is an affirmation of faith, science is about inquiry and scepticism. They are not the same.\nThe religion vs science divide is a phenomena of the last century, science was borne out of Christians and Muslims' interest in investigating the natural world to learn more about God. Christians have historically just seen science as something like an investigation into a different kind of scripture."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>No evidence they didn't witness anything either\nThe onus was on them to produce warrantied testimony of the event. None ever did."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\n>Have you considered that that was a lie, that they were bullshiting?\nI don't consider anything without sufficient proof.\n>There are NO eyewitness testimonies of Jesus,\nLuke literally states that his gospel is an account of an eyewitness testimony. Matthew, Mark, and John were direct apostles and witnesses of Christ. Paul was also an eyewitness of Christ. Your ball.\n>we do not have the original gospels,\nAnd?\n> or corroborating evidence,\nJosephus, Tacitus, Suetonius.\n>we do not know who wrote them.\nMatthew, Mark, Luke, and John.\n> These extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.\nWhy do they require \"extraordinary\" evidence? Why not just \"evidence?\"\n>pointing to the gospels is akin to pointing to the Hadiths of Islam as proof to claim that Muhammad was God's final prophet.\nWe have no evidence for the existence of Muhammed dating to the same century as Muhammed. We do for Christ. False equivalence, redditheist."}, {"id": 45, "content": "Jesus mythicism is reaching levels of autism that shouldn't even be possible"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>There are NO eyewitness testimonies of Jesus, we do not have the original gospels, or corroborating evidence, we do not know who wrote them. This is a common view amongst any theologian scholars, catholic, evangelical protestant, reformed etc etc.\nNo it is not. It is a majority opinion among secular scholarship but a tiny minority among conservative scholars. The vast majority of believing biblical scholars believe the gospels are eyewitness testimonies written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The fact we don't have the original manuscripts is irrelevant to authorship."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nWe don’t have any evidence besides hearsay, written down later by those with motive, incentive and means to lie about the event."}, {"id": 48, "content": "The early Christians were believed in a sensu stricto imminent apocalypse like Jesus, hence the earliest writing regarding Christ would be very perfunctory and pragmatic and unlikely to be of much value for reproduction. Furthermore most Christians would have been illiterate misfits and peasants. Cf. the early Muslims"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nCould say the same for Alexander the Great."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nWe could say that you, like all Abrahamists, have a desperate addiction response in order to justify a lie they invested in, which has generated more cumulative harm than any drug user, and is more than sufficient grounds for extremely harsh prosecution."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nCool."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n/thread"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nfaggot"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYou guys know that even Bart Ehrman thinks Jesus mythicists are wackos."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>16\nThis is just wrong lol. There's an early creed that dates back to within weeks and months of the resurrection. Paul persecuted early believers before he converted. Christianity existed way before the destruction of the 2nd Temple."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\n>and is more than sufficient grounds for extremely harsh prosecution\n\nBased."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nBack in the days there was an oral tradition."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>50\nyou still didn't refute his point about Alexander; even IF the gospels weren't written in the same generation as Christ, Christianity didn't simply spring up from a vacuum in the Second Century, claiming as Messiah a fictional, executed wandering preacher, with as much traction, organization and fervor as they did. Jesus existed, accounts outside of biblical sources corroborate that, and the miracles ascribed to Him the Romans describing don't even contest; in fact, most of their concerns mostly focused on the Christians themselves — particularly their refusal to integrate in the Roman politico-religious institution — and the inability to comprehend the amount of inflexibility in matters of faith, and fervor, Jesus inspired in His followers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what the fuck was his problem"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy him specifically? He was just another criminal bureaucrat and careerist like so many others in nazi Germany, USSR, Japan."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How can I reconcile my love for order and hierarchy with my sympathies towards communism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Very simply since communist societies are always quite hierarchical due to the corruption inherent in such heavy handed states"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat sympathy do you have for communism?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "who said socialism wasn't despotic?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "What is there to reconcile? Primitive communism with the fact it never was any default sort of hunter gatherer organization nor attainable in the present day regardless of what percentage of your subjects dies in the fields?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nHegel was an idiot so that's probably where I would get my reasoning for being a commie too"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nWhiggish (based)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1. Hierarchy and equality play off each other. Vertical structures extend their reach through egalitarian principles and people know themselves to be equals by reference to standards that transcend the particular individuals involved.\n\n2. Disorder or destruction is (in some circumstances) a means to an end, not an end to itself (anarchy).\n\n3. Partisan authority with dogmatic (or at least consistent) principles, certain values and historical narratives is good. But who those authorities are should be clear.\n\n4. Today's fascists are as soft as baby shit, and lack discipline in their hearts. They can't short circuit off their obsessions borne from the culture they claim to despise.\n\n5. God's laughter has no malice. It doesn't actually delight in harm, since that would be contrary to the general benevolence that shines on the just and unjust alike.\n\n6. We have passions but the point is to discipline them via labor so they imitate what God is (Peace) by nature.\n\n7. https://youtu.be/PJLVB_vOmg0?t=170 [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nDumb quote, dumb word."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbdsm"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>hegel\n>whig\nnigger you're dumb, hegel larped as a conservative and then dropped his spaghetti seething that the equivalent of modern day county clerks in borderline medieval germany weren't radical enough and were conspiring to keep germany's 90% illiterate peasants politically illiterate and \"shackled\" to the ball and chain of feudalism, despite them largely supporting constitutional reform."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>Whig\n>based"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "History books thread.\nRecommend, consult, blog about what you are reading."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I'm looking at Secular Cycles by Peter Turchin. What's the gestalt leitkultur zeitgeist on that theory here?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Election is corporate.\n\nThe church was predestined to salvation in Christ. It is only by association with Him that we are saved, not as individuals. Predestination only applies to individuals in special cases.\n\nGod's grace has freed every man's will from total depravity, enabling us to choose to surrender to His call.\n\nChrist's atonement is intended for all of mankind, and it is His desire that every man accepts His gift."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironicaly, why was jesus's crucifiction necessary?\n\n>it was a sacrifice to God\n\nBut why not just skip that and forgive humanity from the get go?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "You miss the trees for the forest\nIndividuals are always, not exceptionally, saved as part of the corporate elect body"}, {"id": 4, "content": "This is not Biblical, at all.\n\n>Election is corporate.\nIt is the ONE who believes that is saved; not the church that believes. You could live on the planet Mars, and you'd still be saved through the gift of God's grace.\n>Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.\nJohn 6:47\n\n>God's grace has freed every man's will from total depravity, enabling us to choose to surrender to His call.\nEntirely wrong. Grace has freed the elect, not every person. The following verse states that God's grace is what has saved US - us, meaning the elect. There is nothing about \"enabling us to choose\". It is God's grace that saves, and that alone.\n>He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n\n>Christ's atonement is intended for all of mankind, and it is His desire that every man accepts His gift.\nIf God would desire all to be saved, then all would be saved. But that is not true, because, from looking at scripture, we have many examples of people who are not saved. And we also have a group of people - the elect - who are saved, in contrast to the rest of humanity.\nAnd before you cite 1 Timothy, this is in reference to leaders, who are one class of many within the category of \"people\" - that is what is meant by \"all people\", or \"all kinds of people\", which includes leaders."}, {"id": 5, "content": "A nameless faceless group has been crucified with Christ. It is now not some indeterminate guys who live, but Christ who lives in them. And the life an abstract group now lives in the flesh it lives for the Son of God, who loved an idea and gave Himself for it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIf God is to be just, then He will send sinners to hell. Hell is the just punishment for sinners, and we are all sinners.\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\nOur hope is found in Jesus' death, which was the payment of the debt of our sins. His blood clothes us in righteousness, so that we might enter heaven and have eternal life.\n\n>We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.\nRomans 6:6\n>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\nJohn 14:6"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nBiblically the answer is because God is holy. Asking \"why not skip to forgiveness\" makes no sense because Christ did not die to grant God the right to forgive sins which is His prerogative by nature but to receive the retribution which was merited by the elect. Not so much to make God able to forgive, but to make Him willing. Scripture is clear that sinners have to die, there is no scenario where evil goes unpunished, it is absolutely necessary that God will judge the world and recompense every last injustice. But in infinite grace and mercy He has chosen to forgive a few, putting their sins upon the Lord their substitute so that they may stand before Him holy and blameless."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>It is the ONE who believes that is saved; not the church that believes. You could live on the planet Mars, and you'd still be saved through the gift of God's grace.\nLiving on Mars would not separate a person from the invisible. The gift is in the church - Christ in John 6:47 is inviting everyone to join His church by putting their faith in Him.\n\n>Entirely wrong. Grace has freed the elect, not every person. The following verse states that God's grace is what has saved US - us, meaning the elect. There is nothing about \"enabling us to choose\". It is God's grace that saves, and that alone.\nGods grace has saved us - meaning the church. Grace was predestined to the church before the beginning of time. How can people refuse to come to Christ if he doesn't allow anyone free choice on the matter? That would just be God executing His sovereignty and refusing Himself.\n>yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.\nJohn 5:40\n\n>If God would desire all to be saved, then all would be saved. But that is not true, because, from looking at scripture, we have many examples of people who are not saved. And we also have a group of people - the elect - who are saved, in contrast to the rest of humanity.\nGod desires His creation to choose to accept Him freely. He created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but He explicitly told Adam & Eve not to eat from it. Did He then will them to eat from it, in explicit contradiction to His own command? No, of course not. He afforded His favored creation the autonomy to eat from the tree, just as He affords us the autonomy to reject the universal call and unlimited atonement of Christ. More importantly, though, the idea of Christ's atonement being only intended for the elect is not Biblical. It is intended for the whole world. 1 Timothy mentions this in multiple places, and your objections are just torturing scripture, but for the sake of argument I will just point out some other verses in another post."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n1 John 2:2\n>He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.\n\nJohn 1:29\n>The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!\n\nJohn 6:51\n>I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.\n\nJohn 12:32\n>And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself\n\n2 Peter 2:1\n>But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.\n\nHebrews 2:9\nBut we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>>8\nSo, Jesus' death took away the sins of the entire world? Meaning, that all the world will enter heaven?\nOf course not. The contrary is stated many more times. Therefore, we can deduce that those verses are referring to the sins of those who believe i.e., the elect."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt can take away the sins of the whole world. There is no limit to the power of grace. Christ's atonement redeemed all of us. He calls all of us. The fact that people are so blind that they can't accept the free gift of redemption that Christ gives and choose to remain prostitutes in the whorehouse of the devil in no way diminishes the fact that Christ paid to redeem all men and desires the entire body of creation as His bride and dowry."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nDid Jesus pay for the sins of the damned? If so how are they not redeemed?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nScripture is very clear that He paid for the sins of the whole world. It is also infinitely clear that men can still choose to reject that gift by refusing to put their faith in Christ."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIf it's bought why aren't the effects of the payment made?\nDoesn't it seem more likely that Christ died for the elect and the \"whole world\", \"all\" statements are qualified?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nMatthew 22:1-5\n>And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, \"The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son, and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding feast, but they would not come. Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ But they paid no attention and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,\nDid the invitees of the king rejecting the invitation mean that there was no invitation in the first place? Did them rejecting the invitation mean that there wasn't food and drink for them at the wedding feast?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThis is referencing the people of Israel, who were initially the \"chosen people\", but later rejected Christ."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Did them rejecting the invitation mean that there wasn't food and drink for them at the wedding feast?\nIt means they did not eat the food and drink. Does Jesus save, or \"make men savable\"?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nI'm really asking about the atonement issue and not the election issue. I don't think this biblical parable deals with atonement.\n\nIf Jesus atoned for the death of a man who was still damned there's a double payment, which is problematic for divine justice. I don't think the relevant passages have to be read as christ dying for every man, but every elect man"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThat doesn't invalidate the point at all. Are only the people of Israel able to reject God, and nobody else? Where is the scriptural backing for that?\n\n>>17\nJesus saves, but His gift of grace can be rejected.\n\n>>18\nI don't see why there is any problem with it. I'll let Charles Hodge make my point:\n>The righteousness of Christ being of infinite value or merit, and being in its nature precisely what all men need, may be offered to all men. It is thus offered to the elect and to the non-elect; and it is offered to both classes conditionally. That condition is a cordial acceptance of it as the only ground of justification. If any of the elect (being adults) fail thus to accept of it, they perish. If any of the non-elect should believe, they would be saved."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nHodge isn't really addressing my objection here. I agree that the righteousness of Christ is of great worth such that it could atone for the sin of every man, but if penal substitutionary atonement is true and each saved man's sin was particularly atoned for in Christ, and if some men are damned, then I see an issue in God punishing both Christ as substitute and the sinner via damnation.\n\nI also find it odd that he talks about non-elect being saved... that would mean they're elect. Maybe he means their elect status wasn't known until in time they bore fruit of election."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nHere is some more from Hodge, perhaps this addresses your objection more specifically? It immediately precedes the passage I quoted before.\n>The objection, however, is at times presented in a somewhat different form. Admitting the satisfaction of Christ to be in itself of infinite value, how can it avail for the non-elect if it was not designed for them? It does not avail for the fallen angels, because it was not intended for them; how then can it avail for the non-elect, if not designed for them? How can a ransom, whatever its intrinsic value, benefit those for whom it was not paid? In this form the objection is far more specious. It is, however, fallacious. It overlooks the peculiar nature of the case. It ignores the fact that all mankind were placed under the same constitution or covenant. What was demanded for the salvation of one was demanded for the salvation of all. Every man is required to satisfy the demands of the law. No man is required to do either more or less. If those demands are satisfied by a representative or substitute, his work is equally available for all. The secret purpose of God in providing such a substitute for man, has nothing to do with the nature of his work, or with its appropriateness.\n\n>each saved man's sin was particularly atoned for in Christ\nI would disagree with this point. Christ died generally to redeem all, just as Adam sinned generally to sell all his posterity as slaves to death."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI don't think hodge is directly considering my issue here. I'm worried about double jeopardy involved in Christ paying and the sinner paying for the same sin debt\n\nHodge answers the question \"how can a ransom payment benefit those for whom it was not paid (the non elect)?\" (paraphrasing)\nIt seems like he's arguing that the non elect can be saved which doesn't make any sense to me. Im not sure if that's what he meant.\n\nI am generally with Hodge on most things but I'm not with him on the eucharist and on limited atonement\n\nI do not share your view of original sin I think, I would view the fall as a change in nature more than an accumulation of debt for all men in the way that Christ's atonement pays for all debt of men"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>I don't think hodge is directly considering my issue here. I'm worried about double jeopardy involved in Christ paying and the sinner paying for the same sin debt\nI believe the point he is making is that in paying for the sins of the elect, so great is Christ's grace that even the non-elect could be saved if they believed. In a sense, that Christ intended the boat to be for the elect, but that it is big enough for everyone and if they want to hop in, they can. The invitation is open, but that does not mean every person will avail themselves. The non elect are not damned for lack of an atonement, but for lack of faith.\n\n>I would view the fall as a change in nature more than an accumulation of debt for all men in the way that Christ's atonement pays for all debt of men\nI think the issue that you have here is that you are treating God's law/justice as if it is based on our earthly laws, when it is in fact the reverse. They need not be the same with regards to atonement or on other issues. This assumption, I believe, comes from Calvin's study of law and has been carried on ever since. There's one more passage I'll post from Hodge that is more or less in line with what I am saying here in another post."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm just gonna come out and say it:\n\nThe Japanese writing system is a jumbled up fucking stupid mess."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it really? I know basic Japanese and think its no worse than English."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like it, it kinda as if we used cuneiform and the alphsbet togheter"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect.\n\n>>2\nTo read English, you only need 26 characters. That's vastly more efficient. Japanese is a fucktard language that's a combination of imported Chinese logograms, fucked up/degenerated logograms, fucked up attempts to regenerate the degenerated logograms, and in some cases, even latin script, which is very common over there especially in ads.\n\n>>3\nI like it too, it has charm despite being fucktarded."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYea it's retarded, especially now that we have computers. There's no reason a computer should have to include eight fucking trillion different glyphs just to display some bing bong on the screen"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Japanese with furigana is a perfectly fine writing system"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree except I apply it to every non-Indo-European script."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNothing that isn't for children uses furigana though."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Why doesn't Japanese just switch to Roman script for everything? It seems so much simpler."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>become Vietnamese/Turkish 0.2: the written\nNo thank"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nI know, but I don't like it.\nMight be just 'cause I have a child level of moon comprehension though."}, {"id": 12, "content": "its more consistent and sensible than english. kanji is the most brilliant writing system ever created"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>It seems so much simpler.\nyea obviously it seems that way to an english speaker but it's not actually"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI speak both and yes it is. The only argument you could make is that kanji makes it easier to avoid word confusion in written form, since Japanese doesn't use as many sounds as English does and thus repeats sounds often for different words. It also shortens text a bit. But the learning curve is ridiculous and it causes confusion in other ways, because some kanji can be pronounced 20 different ways. Names in particular can be annoying as fuck.\n\n>>12\nNah it's retarded."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Why not keep the Kana and ditch the Kanji?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nFor me Kanji makes instant word recognition easier and removes ambiguity.\nFor example, I wanted to start learning Korean and I heard the grammar is almost identical to Japanese, you can basically 1 for 1 switch stuff out. (の = 의, を = 를, が = 가)\n\nSo I search up 韓国のじょし (Korean \"joshi\")\nWhat I meant was 助詞 (Joshi, grammatical particles) but I got results for 女子 (Joshi, girls)\nAnyway the point is I ended up masturbating to plastic women instead of studying because I neglected to use the kanji.\n\nGo ahead and image search:\n>韓国の助詞\n>韓国の女子\n>韓国のじょし\nThis sort of shit is why kanji is essential."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>So I search up 韓国のじょし (Korean \"joshi\")\n>What I meant was 助詞 (Joshi, grammatical particles) but I got results for 女子 (Joshi, girls)\nSo just internet searching being shitty?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>kanji is necessary because [...] i am a coomer"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nEverything uses furigana for uncommon characters and readings. I've seen it in novels, websites, news captioning, signs, etc.\nFor a quick example off the top of my head, saint young men and dragon ball super both use furigana in their very titles."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThat famous adult show, dragonball."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nsometimes they don't bother to clarify it and different english-language translations romanize the same character's name in completely different ways"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\nMoonrune speakers, how bad is the homophone problem? Could katakana plus hiragana plus some kind of diacritic system handle a kanji-less Japanese?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nLike I said, just examples so you can see it for yourself. It happens in every form of written media."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nUhh, yes anon, shounen (cartoons and comics for young boys) uses furigana, like anon said, that stuff is not made for adults."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nJapanese without kanji is basically English without spaces.\n\nToday Tokyo and kyoto's weather is fine.\n今日東京と京都の天気は平気\nTodaytokyoandkyoto'sweatherisfine.\nきょうとうきょうときょうとのてんきはへいき\n\nIt's perfectly legible and understandable it's just difficult to decipher where the words are supposed to break apart at points, it's a mild inconvenience. You might read \"sweatheris\" and realise it's supposed to be \"s weather is\" half a second later."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nAren't games like Pokemon and a lot of Manga kanji-less?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYou left out capitalization."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nWhy don't they just add spaces between the Kana? Are gooks really this stupid?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nSaint Young Men isn't shonen. If you need another example, in the Tenrikyo religion 教組 is read as おやさま and you will see that in textbooks and religious newspapers. Or in 百人一首 , archaic pronunciations are written in furgiana. Or are those for children too?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nLet's add spaces, or periods or whatever to separate words. Japanese uses particles, so maybe have commas be for wordbreaks and apostrophes be for particle separation.\n\nHow bad is the homophone problem, though? The pro-kanji argument that I always see is that you HAVE to have kanji because there's a gazillion different homophones. I know that it's not as bad as Mandarin, but how bad is it? Will diacritics (macrons or umlauts) on the katakana/hiragana work to clarify? Assuming that you can spell a word in hiragana and katakana (I know that it doesn't work like that, just work with me), times two sets of diacritics equals four ways to make each syllable. Is that enough?"}, {"id": 31, "content": "Instead of trying to change the entire writing system to make it more anglo, why not just learn kanji?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>just learn kanji"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>22\nIt's pretty bad, because Japanese has far less sounds then English. Pic rel is a complete list of every single sound you can possibly make in Japanese. That's why they aruweizu putto ekkusutora bowerusu in waadosu. They can't pronounce certain consonants or put different consonants together because their language doesn't work like that. So they have to recycle a lot of words."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Why do guyjeans more commonly make the argument for abolishing Chinese characters in the Japanese rather than Chinese language? Far less Chinese characters are in use in Japanese than Chinese, making them less of a burden despite the onyomi kunyomi meme.\n\n2,000 characters is nothing. I don't even get it."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\n>>18\nThe POINT is that without the kanji providing context, the search engine doesn't know what you want retards"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>26\nYes. But they use basic vocabulary. It's hard to explain, but kanji really help understand complex terms.\nFor example, what does pericarditis mean? If you said it many wouldn't understand, but if you break it down into it's component parts it's obvious.\nPeri - Around\nCardio - Heart\nItis - inflammation\nKanji works in a similar way.\nしんまくえん doesn't make much sense, but written in kanji it becomes instantly identifiable. 心 Heart しん\n膜 Membrane まく\n炎 Inflammation えん\nIt's not necessary, it just makes reading a hell of a lot easier. Even someone who didn't know medical terms would be able to work out \"heart membrane inflammation\" mean inflammation around the heart.\n>>27\nNo such thing as a capital と or き, that's part of the point.\n>>28\n>きょう とうきょう と きょうと の てんき は へいき\nStill doesn't look as readable as the kanji version.\n>>30\n>How bad is the homophone problem, though?\nHonestly, an absolute non-issue. Context makes it make sense every time. Kanji can mean both feeling and character, if you say that pervert gives you a really bad \"kanji\" you know 100% of the time it's feeling, not character. Equally if you say this \"kanji\" is difficult to write you obviously don't mean the mood is difficult to write."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\nmedia that uses only kana (e.g. old video games for NES and Game Boy) does use spaces. When several foreign loanwords are written next to each other in Katakana, they also use either spaces or (more commonly) dots between them. In normal Japanese though, you don't need spaces because the different scripts delineate word boundaries.\n\n>>15\nImpossibru. Too many homophones. There were a few Japanese nationalists during the Meiji period who tried to go Kana-only (I have a few scans of an old magazine called Kana no Hikari from that time, written in only Kana) but it didn't catch on.\nAlso, reading speed is better with Kanji because they're more visually distinct and save space.\n\n>>5\n>especially now that we have computers.\nsilly thing to say. The main downsides of Kanji were always that they take time to write and that printing presses are hard to manufacture. Computers get rid of both problems. In fact, Western languages are increasingly adopting something very similar to Kanji: emoji."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>In fact, Western languages are increasingly adopting something very similar to Kanji: emoji.\ncome on anon, even you realize that's horse deer as fuck"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\nBecause unlike in Chinese where the pronounciation and meaning of the characters is somewhat consistent while in Japanese it's free for all"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is why I recently, after hitting roughly n5 JLPT, decided to switch entirely to Mandarin\nIf I'm going to be learning thousands of pictograms I'd rather they have one way to pronounce them and a grammar system that isn't balls. I'll gladly take tones over kanji having like 5 meanings and readings each on top of completely crazy grammar rules."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nChinese\n>sounds worse (too many fricatives)\n>has no enjoyable media\n>isn't as centralized, meaning 9/10 it will be a dialect you don't understand\n>have to memorize tens of thousands of characters instead of 2,000 at most\n>no grammar makes it harder, literally caveman \"you give me now\" language\nIf you're serious about this you should at least learn Canto, which sounds much better and has more content."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>sounds worse\nTrue\n>has no enjoyable media\nsubjective. Plenty of books and c-dramas\n>isn't as centralized, meaning 9/10 it will be a dialect you don't understand\nDebatable. Standard mandarin is taught everywhere so everyone more or less under 60 can switch to it easily enough. Also far more people speak Mandarin in a far larger land area than people who speak Japanese (which has dialects too).\n>have to memorize tens of thousands of characters instead of 2,000 at most\nWrong for both. Japanese's standard list is less than what the average Jap is expected to know, and if you want to read anything pre-1940 you're going to need to know over 7,000 to be competent, Japs encounter roughly 4,000 unique kanji on a regular basis (at least once a month). Meanwhile while Chinese has over 50,000 characters, 2,000 will get you to 90% of the ones used regularly, and 5,000 is what you're actually expected to use regularly. As well characters are tied to words without having too many deviations in meaning so you don't have to memorize multiple meanings like Jap. It should be roughly similar. the 2k Kanji 6k vocab grind for JLPT n1 swapped for 5k hanzi isn't bad at all\n>no grammar makes it harder, literally caveman \"you give me now\" language\nIt has grammar, all languages do. It also contains particles like Japanese. The nice thing is it's SVO and less vague than Japanese which has concepts like \"implied が\"\n>at least learn Canto\nLess useful for business and I hate hot humid environments. If I went to China I'd probably want to go to Gansu or Qinghai, maybe Yunnan as a southern place."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI find it funny how from the perspective of English speakers, Japanese is one of the most difficult languages to learn, but from the perspective of Japanese speakers, English is one of the most difficult languages to learn"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nTo the point of characters, the HSK (Chinese language proficiency test) required for going to a Chinese university is level 4 or 5 depending on the university, HSK 6 is typically the highest level expected of a foreigner (roughly b1 level), while 7-9's test include historical language no longer used for scholarly pursuit., and you're only maxing out at 3k hanzi with 11k vocab and that'd be considered near native fluency."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>subjective. Plenty of books and c-dramas\nThey won't really appeal to a westerner though. It's all Wuxia shit. Censorship is a huge issue and shits on most of their creativity. For example, much of the HK sci-fi and police dramas simply wouldn't be allowed in the mainland. Taiwan is little better. The \"content\" they have is all Wuxia and rope fighting, completely removed from what Westerners would like.\n>Debatable. Standard mandarin is taught everywhere so everyone more or less under 60 can switch to it easily enough.\nYes, they can. But that isn't what they use regularly. If you see some random video from China then it's almost certain you won't understand any of it, it won't be the clear spoken Mandarin you learned, it will be some alcoholic 90 year old Sichuaner slurring his words and pronouncing shi as si.\n>Also far more people speak Mandarin in a far larger land area than people who speak Japanese (which has dialects too).\nJapanese dialects are effectively dead. They're a quaint novelty they can perform but wouldn't ever. In the same way a Chinese can speak standard Mandarin a Japanese can speak their dialect.\n>japs 7,000 漢字, chinks 5,000\nAnon, what? Japs barely ever use kanji, Chinks use them for every single concept under the sun.\nRandom example, the USSR. Japs call them ソビエト, Chinks call them 苏联, same goes for pretty much every country. Japs just call them a waseieigo term, very easy to remember, Chinks have a new character for every single one that you have to learn. This goes for most things. You can essentially guess half of Japanese but if you don't know a specific Chinese term for 屁话 you either have to look each character up individually or just accept you're a retard.\n>It has grammar, all languages do.\nI'm speaking more about comprehensible grammar. If a Jap says a sentence you can basically infer what is being said through the sheer amount of grammar it's offered with."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>26\nThey are also written in a very simplistic style with very few words to make them easier to read."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nEnglish is hard for different reasons. The alphabet is extremely easy to learn compared to Japanese. The difficulty comes with the fact that this language is mutted beyond repair and thus has no consistency whatsoever."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>germanic vikangs\n>french nobility\n>ROMANS\npure sovl"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>37\n>Western languages are increasingly adopting something very similar to Kanji: emoji.\nThat's just due to cognitive decline."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>30\nJapanese has a large amount of homophones but their language has adapted to handle it. The first way is that many of these homophones have different contexts, so by paying attention to the context around a word it becomes obvious which meaning it has. For example, kami can mean either paper, god, or hair. Context usually makes it obvious which \"kami\" you're referring to when you use it. But let's say you're talking about cutting some paper, what's to distinguish it from cutting hair? Well this is the last trick: redundancy and specialization. Japanese also has lots of redundant terms for things. So while you could say \"kami wo kiru\" for haircut, and be potentially mixed up with \"kami wo kiru\" (cut paper), you could also say \"sanpatsu\", \"rihatsu\", or even the English loanword \"katto\". All these words also have homophones, by the way, so it's just about picking which ones have the least confusing context."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nWhat a stupid way to do language. But I guess it works"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nchecked and /thread"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHiragana and katakana are easy. Kanji is crazy.\n\nt. two years of Japanese in high school knowledge"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>48\nEven that chart is simplified. For example, the Germanic portion comes not only from the vikangz, but from the Anglo-Saxons who came before them, which was a much different variety of Germanic than the Scandinavian vikangz. Of course the Anglo-Saxons displaced the Romano-British and their form of Latin, who in turn displaced the Celts and their form of Celtic. The French influence is derived from the Normans, who were vikangz who assimilated into French society with their own dialect, of a language (French) which was already a deviant form of Latin.\n\nFor centuries, Britain was just being fucked over and over from all these invading forces, resulting in this abomination of a language we have today."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">Kana\nツ\n>Kanji\n囧"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>45\n>japs barely ever use kanji\nOh I see I'm talking to someone who never studied japanese"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\nAfter a while you get used to it and stops seeming remarkable. I still find keigo, or \"polite speech\" a more confusing part of Japanese because it's so closely tied to social etiquette that people learn from birth over there. It's especially confusing because of the different familial terms they have, and the fact that they often use these terms to refer to non-relatives, sometimes even total strangers."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nRelatively to Chinese.\n99% of your language being characters vs what maybe 33%?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nRegardless, the root of English is still Germanic. All the core grammar words (pronouns, is/am/are verbs, prepositions, etc) are Germanic, so it's possible to speak and write English with only Germanic words, but not only French words. Granted the French vocabulary is so ingrained after nearly 1000 years that parts of it are hard to do without, like certain verbs and adjectives which are too useful. Like the word \"use\" for example, a French origin verb of great versatility. You can put it with any number of nouns and be understood, instead of having to use a bunch of different, specific Germanic verbs."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nDepends on level of Japanese, it's probably closer to 70% on the academic level.\n4,000 for an average jap vs 5,000 for an average chinamen expected to use at least once a month isn't a huge different. Chinese ties 1 meaning to 1 sound to 1 hanzi, but chinese words rarely go above 3 syllables, typically 2. notice >>44 at the highest HSK level a foreigner knows 3,000 hanzi but 11,000 words, chinese words, compare that to JLPT n1 which is 2,000 Kanji and 6,000 Vocab. Chinese reuses a ton of basic characters to build different words. The Kanji in JLPT doesn't even make up all the words, since that includes words written in hiragana and katakana."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nYou have no idea what you're talking about. The Japanese government considers 2000 kanji to be the minimum for literacy in Japanese. These are the 2000 kanji that are mandatory for Japanese students to learn in school. Anybody pursuing higher education will generally pick up another 1000 kanji while going to university, and anybody who is exceptionally well-read will have even more still.\n\nPoint being that if you know fewer than 2000 kanji you're halfway illiterate as far as Japanese society is concerned. You might scrape by with 1000 kanji, that should cover most common publications like newspapers, and signs and menus, so the rudimentary stuff for daily life, but you'd be effectively locked out of literature and culture and anything with technical language. You'd basically be a serf."}, {"id": 62, "content": "Hiragana and Katakana are fine but Kanji is a huge headache. If only Japan did what Korea did and made a simplified writing system"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\n>Chinese ties 1 meaning to 1 sound to 1 hanzi, but chinese words rarely go above 3 syllables, typically 2\nThis makes Chinese significantly harder, not easier. There's no legible sounds unless you're already extremely adjusted to the language.\nWhere as a Jap would say \"tabemas\" giving you time to register what was being said a Chink would just say \"ch\". Chinese slur their words, most dialects have wildly different pronunciation to the standard, and the entire language is similar sounding fricatives (zh, ch, r, ji qi xi, si, ci)\n\nTake this video, it shows how the textbooks would say it vs how it's actually said. It's not some joke video, if anything actual Chinese speech is even worse.\nhttps://youtu.be/QVvRRBLG3ec?t=2676 [Embed]\n\nSay what you want about Japanese but atleast they speak clearly.\n\n>>61\nI'm not saying they don't need kanji, what I'm saying is a lot of their language uses waseieigo which makes things significantly easier. For a native English speaker \"カザフスタン\" (Kazafusutan) is a lot more recognizable than 哈萨克斯坦 (Hasakesitan).\n1. It's closer to the English.\n2. You don't have to know a bunch of hanzi solely used for their phonetic value.\n3. You don't have to decipher which of the characters are being used for their meaning, which are used for their phonetic value.\n\nJapanese is basically pre-parsed and understandable, Chinese isn't.\n>私の意見はカザフスタンは大きいな国\nWatashi no iken wa Kazafustan wa ookii-na kuni\n>我的意见是哈萨克斯坦是大的国\nwodeyijianshihasakesitanshidadeguo"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>45\n>anon, what?\nJapanese underwent major language reforms recently, you need to memorize a ton of extra kanji to read stuff 100 years old.\n云 particle was completely abolished, so something that was read as と云いながら gets modernized to いいながら, the と云 indicates you are stating something others say without saying you say it yourself, like in english \"it is said\", the particle being abolished makes this kind of phrasing harder, and if you didn't know the grammar rule you'd likely think the author is stating their opinion. This is just a small example of language reforms making it harder to read historical texts."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>7\nIE scripts come from Phoenician and ultimately hieroglyphics"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nlmao that's a classical particle it sould have died out centuries ago\nmay aswell use 曰"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChinese and Japanese seem like they were developed by royal autists, and didn't come about organically."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nMost writing systems were originally developed by the elites for their own purposes, usually record keeping, religious rites, or issuing commands. Knowledge of the system spreads and eventually people use it for all sorts of things."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nlmao get rid of grammatical elements because who needs clarity."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>37\n>>36\n>>33\nSo it seems like going kanjiless is possible, but it would radically alter how doing Japanese literacy works alongside it.\n\nIt sounds like the same problem as orthographic reform in English in a lot of ways."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>40\n>N5\n\nN5 is the absolute lowest level lol. Does hitting N5 mean you can read some kana and read 10 characters or something?"}, {"id": 72, "content": "How brave."}, {"id": 73, "content": "You are so brave"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>59\nIt's possible to speak basic sentences without loanwords, but not anything more complex, no. This is why you can't understand Anglish at a glance."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>57\nI mean to be fair that latyer part is common in languages throughout. Some dialects of my country for example have random strangers being called uncle. But we do not use 10 gorillion honorifics."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>14\nIt's as close to how language is naturally processed as you can get.\n\n>>14\n>>15\n>>22\n>>25\n>>30\n>>36\n>>50\nIt's too ambiguous because the tone in Japanese is far more important than usually acknowledged."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>31\n>Make it more anglo\nDo you faggots think the English speaking world is the only one that uses a single, cohesive, writing system?\n\"More anglo\" nigga it's called a LATIN alphabet not fucking Futhorc Saxon Runes"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>41\n>>42\n>>45\n>>63\nThere are a bit over 8000 characters that are considered standard.\n\nThe grammar is most likely actually polysynthetic.\n\nYou need to basically treat the characters as actual letters, with close to 1:1 sound-character correspondence, because that's how they actually speak it. Pinyin is bullshit that has nothing to do with actual reality."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>41\n>>has no enjoyable media\nHe wants to read the classics of Asian civilization, not Hentai doujinshi."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>63\n>Take this video, it shows how the textbooks would say it vs how it's actually said. It's not some joke video, if anything actual Chinese speech is even worse.\nJapanese does it as well. People may not even understand you when you speak it as written."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>43\nJaps have a rough time with all European languages because they can't replicate our sounds as easily.\nGood luck teaching them the German -ch or umlauts, the French nasal sounds, Portuguese ã and õ, Italian Ls, etc. It's like gobbledegook for them"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>44\n>Chinese only need B1 for university\nWtf? I'd get my ass raped in Germany trying to do University work with a B1, even B2 would be hard."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>47\nEnglish \"mutt\" meme is overhyped, everyone in Europe speaks a language that is like this. Russian month dates aren't even consistent with other Slavic languages because they decided to Frenchify them."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nAll languages influence each other when they come into contact, but English is one of the worst if not the worst."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nHonestly I think West could benefit from using some of the glyphs in cases where words would be too long on signs. But I suppose we already have our own symbols for that."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>51\nMost languages are utterly retarded once you look past the basics.\nI know someone's a pseud when they call German \"logical and efficient\" because they're obviously applying national stereotypes to what is actually a very illogical and nonsensical language.\nFor example, German has three genders (Neuter, Maskulin, Feminin). You'd think \"the girl\" would be feminine, right? No, das Mädchen ist actually gender neutral. You'd think \"the person\" is gender neutral right?? Nope, die Person is actually feminine. Also the feminine Die article becomes a Der when in the Dative case, and Der just happens to be identical to the masculine nominate Der article. Anyhow, you have to know the exact gender of every single word (and there's no real pattern to it) or else the declensions won't make sense and you'll fuck up the cases too."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>54\n>Of course the Anglo-Saxons displaced the Romano-British and their form of Latin, who in turn displaced the Celts and their form of Celtic\nBoth Latin and Celtic are irrelevant in the context of Old English. Old English has virtually zero Celtic influences in it, and the Latin influence is standard stuff for all of Europe."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>Most languages are utterly retarded once you look past the basics.\nYeah this is why I can't help but scoff at anons saying x language is superior to y."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nYeah, the worst part is that 99% of the time the gender conveys no information at all."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>4\n>To read English, you only need 26 characters.\nNot really, English phonemes don't exactly correspond to letter sequences. You can never be entirely sure how an English world is pronounced until you learn the pronunciation. Take \"realm\" and \"bean\" for example. Why is \"ea\" pronounced different in those two words? There is no good logical reason for someone who is learning the language. You can explain it through the history of the language, but that doesn't help much in pronouncing English words in practice. Now, you can usually make a much, much better guess about how something is pronounced in English than in Japanese, where you literally have NO IDEA because the relationship between kanji and sounds is even more subtle. Nevertheless, English is still a pretty bad example of a language where phonetics correspond to written word. For instance, in Finnish the phonetics and writing have a complete 1:1 relationship."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>67\nJapanese hiragana was literally developed by illiterate court women wanting to write fiction but not being taught proper Chinese writing by their husbands and fathers iirc"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>9\nJapanese has a really simple pronunciation and a lot of words with different meanings that sound the same. Switching to romaji would unironically make it more difficult to read for someone experienced."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>74\nEnglish grammar permits complex concepts to be explained, you just need to invent the words like German has (e.g. Hydrogen in German is \"Water stuff\" or Wasserstoff. Elevator in German would be Aufzug or \"Uptrain\")"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>84\n>but English is one of the worst if not the worst\nWell since it's the topic, Japanese itself is 60% Chinese loan words, and it increasingly uses English words for a lot of banal shit."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>36\n>Still doesn't look as readable as the kanji version.\nBecause you used ASCII spaces instead of Unicode Japanese spaces.\n>きょう とうきょう と きょうと の てんき は へいき\nMuch more readable."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nFucks sake, this boards fucks with Unicode."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>89\nThat too, it's just a useless obstacle when so often it's utterly irrelevant (in the previously mentioned example, why should \"the Person\" be feminine? You could be referring to a male person after all).\nI actually speak Portuguese as a native myself, so we have similar stuff (again, \"the person\" is feminine in Portuguese as well) but at least we don't have declensions and cases to fuck around with the articles too much. Portuguese gender is also a lot easier to grasp since the general rule is: o-ending = masculine, a-ending = feminine"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>90\n>For instance, in Finnish the phonetics and writing have a complete 1:1 relationship.\nReally? I thought that written and spoken Finnish were more or less two related languages."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>93\nIt's possible to do that with every language, of course, but it is not actually used."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>47\nThe fact that English is so mutted is what makes it accessible and easy to speak. You can completely garble a sentence in English and people can still get the gist of what you're talking about."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\nA-ending feminine is a rule in so many languages. I know its a rule in a lot of slavic languages, as well as latin. I think it's related to \"mama\" which is a very very common thing in many languages (I think even mandarin uses it). Probably because \"a\" is the first vowel babies usually make, and a combination of \"a\" and \"m\" is probably the first things infants vocalize when trying to imitate speech."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>37\n>especially now that we have computers.\n>silly thing to say. The main downsides of Kanji were always that they take time to write and that printing presses are hard to manufacture. Computers get rid of both problems.\nFuck that I don't wanna chuck around font files hundreds of megabytes in size when localizing for Japanese while tracking which glyphs I need to include in a sprite atlas\n\n>In fact, Western languages are increasingly adopting something very similar to Kanji: emoji.\nLmao just this desu >>49. Japanese is just proof of why people shouldn't be left to themselves on an island for so long"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nThis works for every language lol. Most Russians learners will fuck up grammar atrociously and still be understood.\nEnglish is only \"unique\" in that it has an enormous vocabulary and synonyms to choose from when speaking."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>2\nDid Japanese for 8 years, with 6 months studying abroad there.\nJapan unironically has the worst writing system on earth. They should just switch to Romanji and it would solve like 98% of the issues."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nEnormous vocabulary as compared to what? For example German techincally has an almost infinte vocabulary due to composite words."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>14\n>Names in particular can be annoying as fuck.\n>looking at street sign\n>all pre-war japanese shit\n>all in Kanji\n>Literally impossible to know what is what unless you already knew.\n\nI hate Kanji so much."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>81\nThey can't do consonants without a vowel on the end, because their language doesn't have any except n."}, {"id": 108, "content": "Hey, is this the thread for people to seethe at languages they're trying to learn?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nYes. What's your language gripe, anon?"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>74\n>>It's possible to speak basic sentences without loanwords, but not anything more complex, no\nYou can go complex, you just have to dig more obscure verbs, adjectives, and nouns, and might have to get a bit abstract to get your meaning across. The native English speaker doesn't really distinguish French vocabulary from Germanic vocabulary at all, it's all English to them, it's something you have to actually learn about via word etymology and the specific traits that Germanic words have vs French-derived ones."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>91\nI stand corrected. Learn something new every day.."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>91\nHiragana was pioneered by male Japanese scholars, derived from cursive Chinese script. So you're half right in that it was largely women who developed it from there, as they were denied education in classical Chinese writing and had to make do with this cursive instead. It's interesting how Hiragana was initially not much less complex than kanji, and is in fact impossible for modern Japanese readers to parse, it's essentially a foreign writing system that requires dedicated study to translate.\n\nPic related is a 12th century fragment of the Tale of Genji, you can see the hiragana written here is barely recognizable to modern eyes. Added onto this the complex poetic writing and it's not surprising the original text of the Tale of Genji was untranslated into modern Japanese until the 20th century."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nNot surprised that cursive became its own script. Latin cursive writing is also fucking indecipherable to modern readers."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\n>東京藝術\n>藝\nabsolute state of traditional characters"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>105\nCompared to virtually any other language."}, {"id": 116, "content": "i hear about theory generation what you think abut generation doomer ??"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nuhhhhh"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">spend years learning a language\n>can't understand jack shit\n>stop learning it\n>can now freely understand it\nanyone else?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nthats learning\n>take in as much information as you can with some practice\n>get tired and stop\n>sleep\n>begin new day"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>113\nSkill issue."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>82\nI think he means B2"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>71\n100 Kanji, 880 Vocab\nSure you can hit it fast but its enough to know if you like a language or not."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNoooo!! You cannot criticize the japanese.\nit's elegant and beautiful.\nIt's all explained in the Japanese concept of kintsugi."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>90\n>have a complete 1:1 relationship.\nthis isn't actually true but its close enough that it doesn't matter to anyone who doesn't actually speak it\nthis myth however is one of the core reasons very few non-native speakers reach true fluency\nthe most blatant example is that ng is not n+g, or even an adjacent sound\n\n>>98\nyeah, written finnish is an artificial language constructed with features from every part of the finnish language-continuum by people who were native swedish speakers during the 1800s-1900s because they wanted to larp as as actual finnish people (Fennoman movement) and then it was forced on everyone through the school system\nit's very clunky to use if you are a native speaker; it's very stiff and mechanical compared to spoken varieties\nI've heard its easier to learn for PIE speakers which, well, makes sense considering its origin\na fun example is that in written finnish, you have a strict word order\nbut I grew up speaking a weird savo-karelian mutt dialect where it doesn't matter what order you put the words in since grammar dictates the relations between words, and people often just use whatever order of words pops into their head\nfun fact: most dialects are becoming their own things again; different uses of grammatical cases, different numbers of cases and changes in general grammar and phonology"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>65\ncope harder semite"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbro did you criticize japan? your going to get canceled"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>55\nkek"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>114\nThat isn't part of the manuscript, it's superimposed text from the Japanese museum."}, {"id": 129, "content": "縦\n書\nき\nが\n好\nき"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey should have created their own hangul"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>106\nskill issue, learn radicals and looking up kanji you don't know is easy"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>124\nPIE was like that as well, at least it seems so from the first written ones. The strict word order in western European languages is a recent innovation."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>124\nThat's quite cool. Is Estonian still comprehensible to you guys? My Estonian friend said they're to Finnish like Portuguese is to Spanish"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>114\nit's called SOVL, you wouldn't get it"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>36\nthere's a lot more going on in that pericarditis example than you realize\nit's not like some w*stoid suddenly decided to invent a new made up word for a disease\nit reflects the history of western science and intercultural communication\nand borrowing from dead languages like latin or greek is good for inventing new concepts as it creates new mental contexts\nthe yellow races will never get there"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\n>sovl is when 靈"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m Chinese and yes it’s the hardest fucking language to learn, you literally have to memorise a few thousand pictograms to be able to read a news article. Some cavemen 5000 years ago were trying to draw trees and people to represent the actual object and now everyone is forced to use their shitty drawings. At least it makes learning nip speak so much easier. 草泥马傻逼别来翻译这句话不然你妈死了。馬鹿外人翻訳ダメよう。可愛い少女たちパンツお見せてください!"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>90\nI am a native English speaker and pronounce the \"ea\" in both realm and bean the same."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're just butthurt you can't learn it. Let's be honest, whining about Japan here is mostly about there being an obstacle between oneself and living out one's weeb delusions."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYup."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>25\njust add spaces"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni wonder what japanese script would look like if they rebuilt it like korean"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do you guys think of this book? Sorry if this subject has been exhausted here, but I'm trying to figure out if it's worth reading.\nI thought I read the white supremacy parts claimed by critics are exaggerated and that it shares important information. But after a couple of chapters it really does go on about jews and even describes English as aryans.\nWhat bothered me though is at the very beginning it mentions how corn was an important crop for romans. A crop that wasn't known to the old world until 1492. The notes also quote a lot of website with tinfoil hat tier titles. I looked up one of the quotes claimed to be said by a Rothschild, something like \"give me control of the finances and I care not who makes the laws\". And from what I can find is that quote is falsely attributed to that person and does not show up until much later\nThe historical inaccuracies I did catch kind of turned me off. And though I do have some anti-bank sentiments, I'm not sure I'm enjoying reading the book a lot.\nDo you guys think it's worth reading and insightful, or a waste of time? What does it get wrong and right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Sounds like chud conspiracy nonsense, why not try reading something academic instead"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDo you have any recommendations?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSomething from a legitimate publisher.\nSomething with citations."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What do you guys think of this book?\nflawed, because the author has a poor judgement in terms of source criticism. But still worth reading for the interesting, verifiable bits of history he does bring up, the historical documents he cites and so on.\n\n>it really does go on about jews\nAny book about the history of finance and banking that doesn't frequently mention Jews is either not worth reading or deals with some place without Jews like East Asia. If you think otherwise, you should be reading some books on Jewish history and religion before you read a book on banking history.\nI look at it this way: It takes about 10 minutes of dicking around on Wikipedia to find out that the U.S. media and political system as well as most of finance is run by Jews. Furthermore, many well-known people have openly talked or written about Jewish domination of the political system of the West, including US Presidents Biden, Trump, Nixon, and celebrated UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Meaning that anyone who denies Jewish domination of these spheres is either mentally retarded or a liar, and in any case not worth listening to. Goodson gets quite a few things wrong, but by critically analyzing what he says and neither accepting everything as gospel truth nor dismissing everything outright, you can get a lot of facts out of it that you won't find in any other book on the topic."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>and even describes English as aryans\nThey are. It's just an old-fashioned term for people who speak Indo-European languages:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages\n>What bothered me though is at the very beginning it mentions how corn was an important crop for romans.\nCare to give a direct quote? I just skimmed the chapter about Rome and the only mention of corn I found was that as one of Caesar's social reforms, \"the corn dole was regulated.\" The word corn in that context does not refer to the New World crop, it has a more general meaning of an edible cereal:\nhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/corn\nhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corn\n>The notes also quote a lot of website with tinfoil hat tier titles.\nThat's true, I dismissed a lot of the sources he said as not credible.\n>I looked up one of the quotes claimed to be said by a Rothschild, something like \"give me control of the finances and I care not who makes the laws\"\nYes, you're right, and it's moreover a very well-known misattribution which I immediately recognized, so I was very disappointed that he used it.\nYou'll find a similar tendency to just make up fake quotes if you ever talk to antisemitic Christians about the Talmud. Half the quotes they give you are completely fictional, sometimes even the entire books and tractates they cite don't exist. The crucial point however is that if you take the time to try and verify such things, you'll find out that the other half is indeed real.\n>What does it get wrong and right?\nI'd have to write a book about that book to list everything on both sides. But take for example his treatment of Libya. He gets right that the war was chiefly about Gaddafi's monetary reforms, which was confirmed by Hillary's emails:\nhttps://archive.is/WlNE9\nBut then he tries to lionize Gaddafi in ways that do not really agree with history, and he does not cite sources for many crucial claims he makes."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>go read academic propaganda instead of scientific fact\n\nI love how fucken dumb you NPCs are. You keep me rich as fuck\n\nOP, it's a good book, but it will depress the shit out of you if aren't an NPC"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nThat's what I was thinking it might be when I read about the corn. I guess I'll continue reading it and try and check most sources, or at least check who he's citing for a claim. It's take a while"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>That's what I was thinking it might be when I read about the corn\nyeah keep in mind the author is a Britbong from South Africa, so there's gonna be some language usage that might seem strange to you if you're used to burgerspeak, see >>unknown →"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBankers are the most connected people in a world where your network defines your power.\nAll persons and all companies use banks, which makes banks very different from among other business. Banks also know what you spend money on and your trade secrets you are forced to disclose to convince them to give you a loan.\nThey know everything and enable everything. They are essentially gods"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nTranslation: no he doesn't"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/CrLHiAbAJps/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=\n\nJust saw this reel about an hour ago.Kind of a context as to why most conspiracy theorists might be interested in the book.Dont agree with all of the claims but as another anon said it's an interesting read"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">I desire to go to Hell and not to Heaven. In the former I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks and apostles.\n\nChristcucks literally cant refute this."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d85DsKjvU8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased.\nTo believe in Christianity is to have the will to be a slave."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI want to go to hell just so i can kick Dante’s ass"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do we need to refute this ? He’s obviously sarcastic and probably doesn’t want to be tortured forever just to be in the company of some important guys"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly in heaven can you spend time with Jesus Christ, the King of Kings. And the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Queen of Heaven."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholicism =/= Christianity."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWhoops I meant the Queen of Heaven Astarte. Who would want to worship the dirty whore Mary?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nCope. \"All nations shall call her blessed\", and have. There's nothing you can do about it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's a big guy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nfake news. you are fake news. You are ignorant of history"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIt's funny how Christianity was founded on some guy coping about his wife giving birth to another man's son by saying she gave a virgin birth, must be an act of god"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nCatholicism is the only Christianity.\n\nOutsiders looking in see you worship McDonalds and preachers wearing Rolex and think you're a cult kek"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>soviet socialism is the only socialism\n>outsiders looking in see you consume mcdonalds buying and manufacturing rolex watches and think you're revisionist kek"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nSo taken in the reverse, hell is so exclusive not even Jesus Christ can go there. Rad."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>enjoy the company\nBeing tortured non-stop not only experiencing physical pain of the flesh, but a spiritual pain that humans have not experienced on earth which is supposed to surpass the pain of the physical. It doesn't matter who else is or isn't there, you wouldn't even be able to comprehend anyone outside of your own torture.\n\n>>15\n>doesn't know one of the core parts of the theology.\nAs expected from /his/, this board is actually leagues behind /lit/ and that is full of pseuds too."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Polygamy was largely accepted all throughout the world's history. Why is Christianity different, leading to silly shit like kingdoms falling or getting inherited by other dynasties because the queen was unable to produce an offspring?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIEs from romans, greeks to celts and germans all monogamists. MENAgroids were the ones doing polygamy into the present day."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nLmao, 1 wife"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>IEs from romans, greeks to celts and germans all monogamists\nLol."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>HURR CHRISTIANITY INVENTED LE MONOGAMY\nAncient jews in the OT ie before Hellenization with vast harems vs no traces of polygamy in neither hellenic east nor roman west during NT times. Almost as if Christianism is itself greek philosophy with jewish admixture.\n>>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwow\ninstead of having to fuck one disgusting and annoying sheboon i have to fuck four!\nwhat a win :/"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKingdoms swapping dynasties lead to those kindgoms having identities independent of those dynasties, eventually culminating in them needing not be kingdoms at all as they operated as collections of men instead of the domain of a single person."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop the cap"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>Christianism is itself greek philosophy with jewish admixture.\nIt's not."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndamn, imagine the BRAPs"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nRetard.\n>>5\n>Ancient jews in the OT ie before Hellenization with vast harems vs no traces of polygamy in neither hellenic east nor roman west during NT times.\nIn reality this happened.\n>Polygamy remained legal in the Hellenistic period. Ben Sira, who wrote his book of wisdom ca. 185 BCE in Jerusalem, recognized the problems of disharmony and jealousy between wives and their negative impact on the family: “a woman jealous of another woman is but heartache and grief, and the scourging tongue affects everyone”\nYou were saying retard?\n>Almost as if Christianism is itself greek philosophy with jewish admixture.\nCope more."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWhy?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>185 BCE in Jerusalem\n200 years before Christ. In what world is this NT times?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is it silly if Christendom conquered the world?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\n>germans\npracticed widespread concubinage."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>silly shit like kingdoms falling or getting inherited by other dynasties because the queen was unable to produce an offspring?\nWould you rather have 19 different heirs to the throne killing eachother because they can't decide who's the rightful heir? Happened to the Ottoman Empire, if I'm not mistaken. There was also a Japanese Emperor (whose name I forgot) that had so many children with so many different consorts he had to exclude most of them from the line of succession. They ended up founding other clans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHe watched his wife have sex with a gladiator"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\nholy based."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1\nThen he killed the gladiator and had sex with her bathing in his blood.\nDare I say this is based?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nCucks"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes it’s bad.\nGet a real and positive father figure in your life, not a bunch of books."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHe first watched and jerked off. Then he cummed. felt guilty about his cuck fetish and did that"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nTime to upgrade"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nYou just sat there and wrote out a fantasy anon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When did it become common for dogs to live in homes with people, and lay on their furniture and in their beds as if they are humans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>start treating pets as more than property its cool to leave chained up outside all day\n>see that they actually have a personality\n>if you train them, they arent super shit indoors\n>if you exercise them, theyre even less shit\n>snuggling is fun\n>easier than ever to wash sheets and vacuum\n>seen as less of a burden than kids now\nits pretty shrimple"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSomething about this makes my stomach turn."}, {"id": 4, "content": "What kind of inhuman monster wouldn't let his doggy sleep in his bed?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nMuslims and shitskins"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>shrimple"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When did it become common for dogs to live in homes with people\nfor people with means to have dogs not exclusively for working, i would assume they always treated their dogs pretty much the same as we do"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nin the medieval period, it was the other way around. They would have a dog-boy live in the kennels, and sleep with the hounds."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nhonestly your yard smells like dog shit and your house stinks of dog BO but you are so used to the smell you don't even notice unless you go on long enough of a vacation that you have to wash your clothes."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou smell like shit regardless"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThousands of years ago."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nMy yard definitely doesn't smell"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nIt's haram in Islam, and generally unthinkable in third world nations where roaming packs of feral dogs are feral"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nare common*"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nnobles were known to allow dogs to sleep on their beds though"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYE JUSTE KNOW"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>>15\nmedieval europe was seriously like the gayest worst shittiest time ever and is on the absolute bottom of my lost of places to visit in the time machine\ni would rather live on an island with some ogga booga tribesmen than have to endure the autistic insanity of someplace lile 14th century france"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAre you sure it wasn't le based tradcath utopia?"}, {"id": 19, "content": "It‘s a consequence of our only moral values being niceness, equality and avoidance of suffering. So why not treat the dog almost like an equal human being and have it be your furbaby replacement of actual descendants? Give it kisses, let it sleep in your bed and near your kid, even if it‘s a bred to compete in fighting pits.\nNormal men today have no problem with their daughter marrying a member of a different human species."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nHow is the concept of a servant taking care of dogs insane? Or a funny painting about a woman caring for a dog like it‘s her baby?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nlaughter_stops.png\n\nStill I will keep playing with and letting qt doggos sleep in my bed anyway because I can't help being a whitoid and I feel bad when they whine about being locked out of the room, sorry not sorry"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was ultimately more responsible for the endless bloodshed, the natives or the colonists?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOn the Great Plains? The natives. Look at the brutality of the Comanche-Apache War. The Apache even tried to garner Spanish protection in one instance. Torture and rape was an entrenched part of tribal customs. There was a reason why the Tonkawa, for instance, readily sided with the U.S. Army against the Comanche."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe invader."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI was."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWhich native tribe would that be? Their territory was conquered on the bodies of other tribes."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nExactly. Everyone has conquered one other at some point so who cares? That's why I support the replacement of white people in Europe. All those savages did for centuries was fight eachother."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe colonists but there was by far more colonists so each colonist was responsible for less on an individual level."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndians killed more of their own through millenia just like it is the case with asians, whites, blacks. Shocking I know."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nreplace indian with southern chattel slave owner and flee from the deluge of the liberal collective orgasm"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nEven today, the average person who whines about the treatment of the Natives can't differentiate between tribes."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nDoesn't clarify much without context. We already know the wars were brutal."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nSlave owners by default are bad."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither, they both fought to secure their futures.\nWhites had been successful and that drove the natives to ever more desperate measures sinking to the lowest most brutal forms of retaliation."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nMuh librulz"}, {"id": 16, "content": "colonists on the whole, but there were plenty of cases (especially on the plains, was a sad case of a nomadic culture either not knowing how fucked it was or not being able to change) where native political leadership did themselves no favors and blundered into a disastrous war.\nThen again there were some exceptions, Iroquois diplomacy was truly masterful until plague and internal dissension wrecked them during the ARW, Tecumseh did basically everything he should have but lost anyway because it was just too late to stand up to the eternal burger."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nWait this can't be true. I was told by our trusted historians that northern Republicans were supposed to be the 10/10 heckin' wholesome ones during the 1860s? That they only became the baddies of US politics after the great Nixon fliperino of the civil rights era?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> YOU CAN\"T JUST INVADE SOMEONE'S LAND YOU EVIL COLONIZERS.\n>Now shut up and let these immigrants in, they are just looking for a better life. You evil fascist.\neverybody sucks"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n> Chief (Can't KIll Him)\nGets eaten alive."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nI see flags of El Salvador and Honduras. Central Americans are not Native Americans, false equivalence. Mayan people have little connection to the Sioux, not sure why you'd bring this up here."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>>20\nRace matters until it becomes inconvenient for you huh? Those people are mostly genetically Amerindian."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nSo, the Aztecs automatically have a right to former Cherokee territory? I guess Poland should be subjected to masses of Russian immigrants, then."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>I guess Poland should be subjected to masses of Russian immigrants, then\nWhy not? If anyone tried to distinguish between ethnic groups in Europe you'd call them a \"kike trying to d&c.\".\n\nLike I said, it becomes inconvenient for you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Doesn't the well proven fact that a rather small number of individuals disprove the marxist notion crime is mainly caused by economic woes?\nShouldn't crime be mostly spread out among any poor individuals given an opportunity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "crime isn't real"}, {"id": 3, "content": "real life disproves everything left of Kant on a daily basis, this doesn't phase leftists though because they're ignoramuses"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Doesn't the well proven fact that a rather small number of individuals disprove the marxist notion crime is mainly caused by economic woes\nLearn English"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlease try harder to form coherent sentences."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Crime occurred even in the USSR, eradicating it entirely is probably beyond the reach of any social system.\nHowever, crime and poverty do correlate, as many crimes are driven by economic desperation, and a flatter distribution of wealth, as socialists advocate for, would likely lead to fewer crimes."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Niggers are overall poorer\nNiggers commit half the crime\nProbably a connection beyond the innate chimpout"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Redpill me on Mitterrand"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTextbook Machiavelian leader.\nHe's the one who kickstarted the liberal turn of the socialist party, completely betrayed the communist after allying with them to win the elections, helped the far right gain traction to use them as a scarecrow, probably killed a bunch of people too."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nJohn 1:1."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe Resurrection and Empty Tomb"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nhe can forgive sins"}, {"id": 4, "content": "A wealth of scripture proves it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1\nCan someone explain how \"the word\" means Jesus?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nSecond temple Jews expected a divine messiah (few DSS attest this), first century Christian attest to the existence to a divine messiah, thus there was a divine messiah."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1\n>>2\n>>4\n>>6\n>Once upon a time, Klaus Schwab was God.\nDo you believe in your Lord and Savior Schwab now?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNo, because you just made it up."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe Bible"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nAnon, I…… are you mentally stunted?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>provably-wrong text says Jesus is god\n>yassss soifaec\n>unprovably-wrong text says Schwab is god\n>NOOOOOOO YOU MADE IT UP"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nI am a more reliable historical source than the Bible."}, {"id": 14, "content": "John 8:58"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\n>>11\n>this book is proof of God\n>source?\n>the same book\nNo. I don't think I'm going to play that game"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how am i supposed to learn history if i cant tell whether anything written down is true any more lol"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat do you think (competent) historians do?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat do you mean?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll the stuff written down is fake. All of it, all 'found' in a library somewhere. How anyone can believe in history as anything but an alternate religion when shit as recent as the holocaust was completely made up is beyond me."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead conflicting sources while analyzing the content and potential biases of the relevant authors, faggot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nwell they substantiate each claim with 3 pieces of evidence. i mean thats definitely a start but u need a phd to even get 5 minutes in the archives so who knows what actually goes on in there...\nplus... the horse in the op pic related is able to see at least few things... just not as much as s/he could see."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nit just seems like i wont be able to get a clear picture of anything unless i become an expert on it. i mean the ppl over at pol r telling me that jesus wasnt jewish... apparently cleopatra was white? moon landing footage was faked etc etc... not saying i believe in any of these conspiracies just yet. i mean i had a history prof point out that the bill of rights was added as an afterthought to the constitution after pressure from the public. that the usa was formed primarily so the founding fathers could cash in their war bonds. this idea usually doesnt make it past the censors. i mean the amount of censorship in the media lately makes me question basically everything i take for granted, which is good, i know. but i know i need to study up, and im just worried that without really digging deep, but more importantly spending a huge amount of time which i really dont have, as i need to work as a wagecuck, i wont be able to say anything with much authority..."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\ni have no idea about the holocaust. i wasnt there. but the moon landing footage was faked, apparently. im just saying if something like that could be faked, then what else is?\n\nand its not always that its 'faked.' there are surely lots of well meaning academics that study the subject with good intentions, but fail to address some of the information due to their bias.\n\ni mean im asking like the most basic history 101 question here in a way but honestly im trying to understand how to navigate the waters if i cant necessarily trust the map, the mapmakers, or the printers..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWell then learn to do the same, learn to look at the array of evidence and break things down logically.\n\nIf you have one source where the Egyptians claim victory and another source where the Hittites claim victory, you know at least there was a conflict between the 2. Unless by pure chance they both decided to fabricate that they had a battle for no reason at all and at that particular area and time."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nwell, christopher columbus used to be a hero, now hes a slaughterer of native americans. the first narrative will focus on the excellence of white imperialism, the other will focus on the destruction of the indigenous people. i mean it seems like i would have to go beyond the conflicting sources, because they both might have their blinders on and they can only see each other and yell at each other, while they are unaware of all this other important stuff that is going on... i suppose the critical lens idea comes in to play here then?\n\ni just heard a certain person say that 'hiroshima and nagasaki were necessary to prevent more violence and deaths overall, considering the number of deaths from the war up to that point.'\n\ni guess i just mean that even looking at conflicting sources, what if there's a third perspective that neither considered? i guess im just saying that its a bit disconcerting, if im going to try and be seriously skeptical\n\nbitch"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\ni just feel like i cant trust the conclusions people come to without personally seeing the physical evidence... or visiting the place where the battle took place... i think im getting spooked by skepticism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "During the German empire, what were relations like between the capitalists, the nobility, and societal/economic/governmental power? Were the old landed nobles still in charge for the most part, or did the bankers and merchants supplant them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>MUH BOOGEYJUICE\n\nkys leftard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat’s wrong with the term bourgeoisie to refer to those who own the means of production?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe nobles controlled the military and the highest political offices, but the bourgeoisie were dominant in society."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Social Democrats were hounded by the authorities, could be moved from place to place and individual socialists could be thrown out of their homes.\n\nBut Bismarck was not a dogmatic conservative, and in 1863-4 he had several secret meetings and discussions with the socialist Ferdinand Lassalle and in 1871 even conceded one of Lassalle's demands - the introduction of universal adult male suffrage in the German Empire."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThis guy looks like a fucking fag"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would you say to him if you could attend his coronation in 1888?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Call him a crippled bastard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf a major war breaks out, the Jews will drag the US into the war against whoever stands in the way of them getting Palestine.\n\nAlly yourself with England instead of LARPing as a sea power."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>ally with england\n\nYou mean the ones who created israel in the first place you massive retard?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIsolating France and keep friendship with Russia is key."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hide your checkbook, ghost austria"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me something interesting about the History of Jamaica."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBtw I'm Atenus."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">inserts the 13th century Italian equivalent of a true crime media sensation into his poem"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI always think he’s wearing AirPods whenever I see this picture."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's the best English version of Dante to read?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I like how the Roman conquests spread kitty cats across Europe"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\ngem"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWtf I love Rome now."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate cats they deserve to be killed burned and eaten"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\n>Women infected with Toxoplasmosis more likely to have boys than girls\n>Toxoplasma-infected men had higher testosterone levels and scored higher in Interpersonal Sensitivity and Psychoticism symptoms than non-infected men\nAnon, you are thanking your cat for helping continue your male lineage, right?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSomething you and them have in common"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The *mouse* existed in Neolithic societies and anywhere there were granaries.\nThe cat came to Cyprus as of 7500 BC -\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/house-mouse-invaded-europe-6500-years-ago-180974969/\nThen came to Europe -\nhttps://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/09/1918884117\n\nBasically the Europeans knew about cats for thousands of years before the Romans came."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There was a time when Anglicanism was kinda based."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKJV/Lancelot Andrews era, Wesley, and Oxford Anglo-Catholics."}, {"id": 3, "content": "That time was AD ~12 (Jesus travels to the south of England with Joseph or Arimathea) to 2023 (present)\n\nHigh points include\n>The installation of Norman bishops\n>The construction of old st pauls\n>The career of Cranmer\n>The the Scottish episcopal consecration of american clergy against England's wishes (lol)\n>The invention of the lessons and carols service\n>The devastating MOGGING of Liverpool cathedral over roman catholic Liverpool metropolitan cathedral\n>The continuing Anglican movement\n>the 2019 BCP\n\nLow points include\n>dissolution of the monasteries\n>The 17th century rejection of reformed congregational polity\n>The vestments controversy (it is adiaphora)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>>the 2019 BCP\nIt's that special to you all? Not trying to be negative. I just didn't know.\nDo you all still use the classic BCP too and read the KJV?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Jesus travels to the south of England with Joseph or Arimathea\nI don't remember that part in the bible."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDirk is a retard."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI think it's the best and most accessible. They keep making neat resources too like the altar book and prayer site\nMy church has the 1979 but we're neither episcopal nor acna anyway. It's not used during worship\n\n>>5\nIt's sacred tradition and I get to bully you to agree with me\nJoseph was a tinner and he mined in ingerlund. Facts."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, it was always the gayest branch of Islam."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglicanism exists because one (1) king wanted to divorce his wife. I have no respect for Anglicanism or Anglicans."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was based until the death of Blessed Bishop J.C. Ryle (PBUH).\n\nMay Yahweh have mercy upon Henry (((Newman)))."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What dirt did Hess have on Britain that was so bad, that they had to murder him and poorly frame it as a suicide?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npictures of me fucking ur mom"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why would they wait so long to kill him?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">The British government wanted to shut Hess up\n>That's why they wanted until 1987, when he was 93 years old, to kill him\nThe only reason he would have been actually murdered would be that the guards got sick and tired of dealing with this old man for as long as they did"}, {"id": 5, "content": "He had the secwet dowcuments"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAbout what?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Americans so convinced that their civil war was \"inevitable\"? Every time I hear someone talking about alternate histories regarding the antebellum USA they will always caveat it with something like \"but of course that wouldn't prevent the Civil War. Nothing could prevent the Civil War.\"\n\nThis seems like massive cope to me for the fact that the USA is the only country to require a civil war to abolish slavery. Much of Latin America had heavily plantation based economies and they got rid of it without Civil War. I think America just uniquely fucked up the issue and better leadership could have led to compensated emancipation slightly later rather than a million dead."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's because they cannot fathom self control."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I guess the larger issue is that the North failed to unseat the slaveowners as the wealthiest and most influential people in the American South.\n\nThe question of whether or not the Constitution is a suicide pact is still a huge elephant in the room though."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Admitting that the south would have done just fine without the north is so antithetical to american education because it exposes the narrative as fraudulent"}, {"id": 5, "content": "An early industrial society politically linked to a slave one was never gonna last, and most new world states had a civil war or two in the 19th century anyway"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>An early industrial society politically linked to a slave one was never gonna last\n\nOk, but why did it have to end violently? If you look at the facts slavery was already considerably weakening in the border states. For instance, Wilmington, Delaware had 3 slaves living there just prior to the Civil War and had anti-slavery bills nearly pass. A couple more years would have done it.\n\nIt seems obvious to me that there is a reasonable chain of events whereby industry spreads south, leading to less reliance on slave labour, leading to abolition in the border states, then upper south, then lastly deep south almost certainly completed by the end of the 19th century. To take one example, no Mexican-American War almost certainly means no Civil War in my mind because it eliminates (or at least drastically reduces) the whole slavery expansion debate."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>why did it have to end violently\nmoney"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause the founding fathers themselves remarked that slavery would cause a major problem a century hence during the very writing of the Declaration of Independence"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou don't know what you're talking about if you think the civil war was \"fought to end slavery\"\nthe second part of your post is pure trite"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nDelaware was nothing like the states of the deep South whose economies actually depended on slavery. The Confederate population was nearly 40% slaves. If Delaware refused to end slavery despite having such an utterly minuscule number of slaves, what does that say about most of the South?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>>6\n(((Coincidences)))"}, {"id": 12, "content": "The total value of slaves held in the south in 1860 was something like ten billion dollars in 1860 dollars.\n\nHow on earth do you get a group of people to give up that much money? What political settlement could possibly settle that issue nonviolently?\n\nYou could argue that slavery could just continue indefinitely, but with each additional year, the tensions and mistrust between the two sides would always increase."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nMy point is that the trend was clear, and nobody was in doubt that Delaware would abolish it soon. Also, Brazil's economy was heavily dependant on slavery and cash crops, but it abolished slavery peacefully in the 1880s. Why couldn't America?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nalso the fact you would compare places like brazil to the dynamic of the united states, just..\ndo people here even know history?\nis this just a board full of 17 year olds from /pol/?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>why did it have to end violently\nBecause the slavers made it the cornerstone of their entire way of life and worldview. The \"it will just fade away\" attitude of Washington's generation had been entirely jettisoned by the 1860s, in favor of passionate and positive assertions of the value and worth of the 'domestic institution'.\n>whereby industry spreads south\nAgrarian slave society inherently forfeits that option. All the capital, social prestige, and social control was in slavery."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Was there ever serious talk of manumission? That’s how the British Empire ended slavery in the Caribbean and they were still paying that debt into the 20th century. All the massive wealth generated in gilded age America could have paid off slave owners. The question then is what would happen to all the ex-slaves and probably would have been about the same, with sharecropping and rural poverty, just like things didn’t improve much for blacks in the Caribbean."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nThe trend of industrialization was already \"clear\" but the war happened anyway. If you had infinite time at a stasis and nothing to inflame sectionalist passions over slavery, then sure, but in reality you have neither. Delaware, again, was never the most slave holding of states and is hardly comparable to the deeper south and its economic and geographic situation, and even then it still didn't vote to end slavery.\nBrazil abolishing slavery ended in a coup of the monarchy.\n>also the fact you would compare places like brazil to the dynamic of the united states\n???"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nBrazil had a coup that ended the Empire partially due to the slavery issue. Even the Brazilian plantation owners dealt with it mostly as an economic system rather than the total social package that was implemented in the American South."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThere were arguments for a while about abolishing slavery via gradual emancipation in DC but it never happened as Southerners opposed it. The Compromise of 1850 banned the slave trade there but took no steps toward freeing slaves themselves. I know that when Henry Clay was young Kentucky considered gradual emancipation that didn't pass, and after Nat Turner's rebellion Virginia considered the status of slavery with some wanting to work toward freeing slaves, but the state ended up imposing harsher restrictions of slaves instead. So not really outside the North."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\n>no Mexican-American War almost certainly means no Civil War in my mind because it eliminates (or at least drastically reduces) the whole slavery expansion debate.\nMoron. Americans and other interlopers had been entering Mexican land and staking a claim for themselves decades before the Texas Revolt even happened.\n\nIf America hadn't taken that land from Mexico they would have lost it to another country anyway or sold it piece by piece."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are Americans so convinced that their civil war was \"inevitable\"?\nIt only seems that way with the benefit of hindsight. There were plenty of abolitionists who brought up the constitution in their arguments but really, there was much that could have been done to compromise on the issue.\n\nThe issue, however, isn't as cut and dry as \"slavery is immoral so let's ban it\". Entire industries relied on slave labor and Unionists saw the practice as a blight that would directly compete with cattle ranchers, homesteaders, industrialists...etc"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nAmericans liked to play dangerous.\nThese people lived in Neolithic conditions till 1815."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>11\nIt wasn't the Jews, the American Revolution put the US 100,000,000 (100 million dollars) in debt, which it paid off. Within about 12 years of Whig control in the North Northern states were 200 million dollars in debt from money printing"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This seems like massive cope to me for the fact that the USA is the only country to require a civil war to abolish slavery.\n\nAnd you're probably correct. I'm from a country that had legal slavery for nearly millennia. And yet when it came time to go, we simply abolished it by majority vote.\n\nI will never understand why Americans think their form of slavery was so unique and special that it required a titanic bloodbath that left a wound in their national psyche so massive that they have an almost pathological desire to restart it every time they have an election, to get rid of it. If you ask me, it's a perverted form of \"American exceptionalism\" or whatever it's called, innately fueled by their own narcissism and belief that their country's destiny will decide the fate of the world."}, {"id": 25, "content": "Because the South was never going to willingly give up on slavery, even as it became an increasingly antiquated and frowned upon system, and the North was never going to let the South secede."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\n>The question of whether or not the Constitution is a suicide pact is still a huge elephant in the room though.\nNo country provides for its own dissolution"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>12\nThe government literally offered to buy them out"}, {"id": 28, "content": "The North or New England region is founded by a group of middle class anti-Catholic radicals who built their society based on a \"City upon the Hill\" ethos. It is basely Puritan utopianism and they very egalitarian and anti-old world in their lifestyle. They look down on Europe and think they need to be enlighten. Money determines your place in the social hierarchy. Hence, they tend to be more liberal, pro-industry, and mercantile.\n\nThe South is founded by English gentry men and lowly peasant. They pretty much want to recreate old Europe again and live their lives like their norman/anglo ancestor. Land is the name of their game. They conquer, settle, steward their land, and own serfs. They are the Cavalier and they look at old Europe very fondly. They are very hierarchical and are Anglican which still has some Catholic influence. Thus, they are rather more traditional, feudal, and militant.\n\nBoth have different ideas of what America should be."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>No country provides for its own dissolution\nAs soon as Congress stops representing you technically you can go guns a blazing according to the founding fathers"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nThe North wanted an industrial Merchant Republic similar to the Dutch or Venetians. Money and trade will dominate the country which usually leads to Imperialism and a strong central government. It’s also heavy on infrastructure projects and giving privileges to corporations. It’s the Hamiltonian vision for America. An American Empire or Grand Republic.\nThe South wants essentially an feudal aristocratic republic where the central government is weak to the smaller polities, similar to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The politics will be dominated by land and militarism, hence the support for expansionist policies. These fuckers are big on the agarian life style which is popular with reactionary elites back in europe. It’s the Jeffersonian vision for America. The American Commonwealth or the Confederation of Republics."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nThe US was initially a coalition of willing states who signed onto the constitution by popular vote. It stands to reason that if you vote yourself in, you can vote yourself out. This was from an era where states had far more autonomy than they do now. The Civil War fundamentally changed the way the United States thinks of states. It's even reflected in the language. People used to say \"these united states\" not \"the united states\"."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThat's revolution, not dissolution"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThe constitution states \"more perfect union\". The prior document states \"perpetual union\". Therefore a MORE PERFECT version of a PERPETUAL union clearly doesn't write the means for its own ending."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nIt's not a revolution if it's allowed"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nThe two sides of America pretty much live completely different lives from each other and unless America is ruled by a King or Dictator, there is no way either will cooperate. This goes beyond the whole economics thing. For the South, slavery is part of this hyper Romanized idea of chivalric feudal Europe they develop and larp. You can see this today in southern culture with their obsession of the \"Old Ways\" and military culture.\nThe North are a bunch of insufferable fanatics who needs to shove their shitty ideas onto everyone believing they are superior. Hence, modern sjw culture and muh democracy.\n\nEven worse, both sides of the country can't seem to leave each other alone. The north would help slaves escape and once sponsor what's basically a terrorist attack due to their self-righteous behavior. This is literally an attack on the traditional agrarian lifestyle the South has cultivated and will lead to conflict with the north if the south tries to stop this.\nMeanwhile in the north, Southern would go into the state to recapture escaped slaves to maintain their ideal plantation lifestyle. This of course rightfully pisses off the north as they see this as slavery being enforced in their state.\nIf the South doesn’t stop the North and recapture their slaves, their lifestyle, the whole reason why their ancestors move to the new world, would be destroyed. If the North tolerates slavery, they goes against their own principle that their states are founded on. It's a war between two dreams both are irreconcilable.\nAnd this is just slavery, I haven’t mentioned things like tariffs, role of government,and political differences.\n\nBoth the north and south have threatened to secede with the south being the ones to actually go through with it.\n\nThe North won and South was destroyed. The Old Plantation system somewhat survived, but the peasant population was ruined since no one was running the farm. Doesn't matter as they too will be eviscerated."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nIt would depend on who you asked pre civil war. Jefferson might say secession is legal. Washington and Hamilton probably wouldn't, and I know there is direct evidence for the former that I don't care to look for now, and the latter definitely argued (under different contexts) for things in line with secession being illegal like the US being a government formed of the people directly rather than the states. Gouverneur Morris supported and called for the secession of Northern states during the War of 1812. James Madison on the other hand wrote that secession was illegal during the nullification crisis. The question continues with Daniel Webster and Andrew Jackson and those behind them who believed secession unconstitutional and John Calhoun and his backers who believed it legal.\n>It stands to reason that if you vote yourself in, you can vote yourself out.\nExcept state legislators are mandated by the Constitution to take an oath to support the Constitution and obviously would not be able to secede without breaking that oath, the Constitution and laws of the federal government are made the supreme law of the land to bind all else, and there's the fact that the Articles affirmed the Union itself (which is not the same as and is older than the Constitution) to be perpetual. Just because a state enters into some compact, agreement, etc. doesn't mean it has the right to withdraw from it too. It would be absurd to say that the original states can call back their western territories they gave up because they voted to give it up and therefore can take it back. The United States was given the power to enforce its laws over state laws as a governing body and to punish resistance to its laws, it's a country and not just some league or treaty agreement between other nations that don't have a sanction for breaking it."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>24\n>almost pathological desire to restart it every time they have an election\nThis is not the case. Conservatives, of the gay and weak variety, seek to avoid all slavery dialectics at all costs. Slavery and race issues, among other things, make them the perennial whipping boy of the left wing. Nick Land talks about this persuasively. Left will talk about it as long as they can"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Today I learnt that ancient buildings could be swallowed by the earth. Picrel is a whole city from the 10th century in Spain that 90% of it hidden underground."}, {"id": 2, "content": "it really doesnt make sense. Where does all this earth come from?\nand it's just not at the size of a little city.\nAn explanation must explain why all the surroundings are also underneath several meters of dust.\n\nSo far archeologists can't explain why they have to dig up lots of earth to find stuff in it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNature took it back. Sand and foliage over time must've buried it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ni know its a rather simple explanation and I don't believe in any of the schizo theories\nbut i also have a hard time understanding how buildings get buried 40 feet under in a city?\ndo people just watch a building sink into the ground for 1200 years and then build on top of it?\ni understand that the jungle and woods will take over stuff in the wild"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nas well maintained as your home is, if it were to be left alone for a hundred years it would become overgrown rubble sinking into the ground slowly too\nin most climates nature reclaims things fast"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nJesus Christ nigger this is 3rd grade shit. Erosion, high winds, extreme weather patterns....think of how easy it is to bury something in the sand by just kicking it. Now imagine that over the span on centuries and with the force of nature."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nVegetation sheds leaves and sticks at an aggressive rate. These build up and if they are not removed from a surface, will lay on top of it, gathering more leaves and sticks and stones, which rot down to become soil. Vegetation grows in this soil, shedding its stems and leaves adding more matter to the soil.\nIt really doesn’t take long - unmaintained garden paths and rockeries can become buried in soil in less than 10 years."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI'll add that in Spain, which is semiarid and close to Sahara besides, sometimes sand happens and wind will blow that sand around."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nthe would suggest that the crust layer is always growing higher, since otherwise how are these structures getting buried without toppling over?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nLeaves and grass eventually die and decompose, forming a cover of rich minerals from which invasive colonial plants take root, multiplying the previous cover of dead grass and leaves overtime, repeating the pattern with incredibly more complex plant forms. Repeat ad infinitum, or until someone finds a literal city buried under grass, trees and vines à la Angkor"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou were saying?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "yeah dude the earth has a lot of cavities, it's more like a sponge than a solid object\n\nthere are many stories from antiquity of huge swaths of land just cataclysmically subsiding, falling into the abyss"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does Jacob use magic sticks to make his sheep breed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Its called a miracle"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThought only God was allow to do that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can do the same with blue pills (within marriage)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCuz he da love doctor."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Why is every depction of prophets has them wearing arab clothes?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown\nNot passed away just yet!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\n>We will live to see the new world and never pass awa-ACK!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)\nHow embarassing"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Hasn't every generation for 2,000 years been convinced they're living in the End Times?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI dont get it. what does that passage have to do with JWs and why is it embarrassing?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nChristcucks were the original two more weeks religion"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nWe are living in the end times, we have been for 2,000 years\nPraise the Lord His Messiah has come, Christ is King!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nTwo more weeks!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nI'd imagine anyone living on the eastern front during WWII had a good reason to believe they were in the end times.\nMeanwhile, fags in the 21st century\n>someone mentioned microchips, OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Non-Christians (everyone else on this board), do you think the Bible is propaganda? Half of it? Fractions of it? Bits and pieces? If not, post something from the Bible which you think is definitely true."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> do you think the Bible is propaganda?\n\nYes for ancient times. The stories contained within it were desperately trying to make sense of the world following current political relations. There are countless examples, for example the two sorcerers who were able to turn sticks into snakes. This made sense since people believed in magic like that back then."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>propaganda\nit is a mind-shaping tool for a ruling minority\nnarrative-wise it is a chimera of reality and biased fantasies akin with book of dead\nbesides of it is LAW - literally\nmore - sole justification of legality of a power holder\n\n>definitely true\nvery a little and not important due the fact of being there only to make whole thing look meaningful\n\njust check parallels with Egyptian and Babylonian religion - same capeshit in different wrap and all for justifying legitimacy of rulers"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is the bible propaganda\n>But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20:31)\nThey don't even try to hide it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on what you're talking about:\n\nGenesis through Numbers, definitely has an agenda, particularly Moses's story. It strikes me as more of an attempt to preserve cultural memory as much as it has an agenda to push.\n\nDeuteronomy: yes, it's probably the \"scroll of Moses\" mentioned in Kings, which pushes it to advocate for cult centralization.\n\nJudges: a mix like G through N.\n\nSamuel: much of it seems to be pro-David propaganda made due to the lack of legitimacy he had ascending the throne after Saul. There's parts that imply David may have had a part in Saul's death, because he's explicity exonerated from the crime scene. It builds him an alibi.\n\nKings: propaganda. It's basically a theological essay on why Israel should only worship Yahweh and only in Jerusalem.\n\nBut when you get to things like Job, Psalms, Proverbs, hell, Song of Songs, how is it propaganda?\nIt's a very diverse, huge collection of texts. You have to evaluate them all individually because they were all once independent texts (maybe not Torah as we know it perse, but that's a whole can of worms)"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It is the living Word of God. It is a highly anointed (ultra mega key word) book, a collection of books written by people divinely inspired by God. The way God feeds his people is mind-blowing, beautiful in every way, profound in every single way, confusing especially to the filtered carnal Spiritless normals of course. It is so sweet 100% of the time and reminds me of home, even the ones where demons get send back. Misunderstanding God and staying in that place? Yikes! That could never be me. The Bible is verified, approved, and established by God himself and many sacrifices were made so that we can talk about it today and that I could start doing the work of God snappy and smooth. God is not like man where he lies. Every word that comes out of God is true, always always always. At the same time, the Word of God makes no sense but it always works. Prophecy, or when God speaks, is pin-point precise, fast. When God says 900 years old, Yes sir. When God says spit on ground to open blind eyes. Well, that's just obvious. When God says \"Don't care. We make new Earth after we take out the tares\". Every every every every every."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what business do asian people have in believing in abrahamic religions? pic not related"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod's business. None of yours. Enjoy hell."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ngirl fuck god. i want a real answer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbrahamic Faiths are Asian to begin with."}, {"id": 5, "content": "All men are called to serve the Lord."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll Abrahamics in Asia deserve to be suppressed. I'm glad nipnoggers saved some of their culture by persecuting christcucks, and I'm glad Chingchongs are doing the same today."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>east asians\n>civilized since dawn of humanity\nWhere does the meme that East Asian civilizations are the oldest come from? Western Europe entered the bronze age over a thousand years before China and pre-socratic philosophy had already reached it's peak before the Japanese discovered agriculture."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nHe prolly meant the far East asians"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Jesus is the way. Islam is demonic. Spirituality? The living God who is God among gods? Bound by ethnicity? No no no no no no. Jesus is the truth. The tree of life was planted in Israel (remember the man who walked with God not 1940s blue white flag) so that everyone can find shelter in the tree. God came as a man to deal with men through the portal which was waiting for the Messiah. Anyone who even thinks along the lines of\n>God sprung up here and there and there like flowers of civiliza…\nNo. Let us look at the truth who is Jesus Christ, the one and only anointed one, the way to God, the Father."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did some humans evolved big eyebrows?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStfu, twiggy Zoomer full of intestinal parasites. I'd snap you into two and use your mushroom hair to clean my toilette."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeanderthal DNA"}, {"id": 4, "content": "/thread"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nChinks have the most of that and they have near transparent eyebrows"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHumans have a lot of random mutations, if there's no really solid answer handy it's possibly just sexual selection with no real evolutionary reason"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>some\ndepends which ones you're talking about.\nnobody on 4chan understands what the word \"some\" actually means in a sentence.\nif you want to speak generally about people's eyebrows, then ask \"why do people have big eyebrows\"."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nto protect ze eyes from too much sweat"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWhy blackpypo and seamonkeys have thin eyebrows?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nChinks have less than North Euros."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNo. Chinks have the most. All euros are mixed with some dudes that split from the main common ancestors of chinks and euros BEFORE these ancestors mated with neanderthals."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nChinks have denisovan, not neanderthal admixture"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni look like this, im 5% neanderthal. men feel uneasy around me"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNo, they have both.\nA bit of denisovan and mostly neanderthal.\nChinks have the most neanderthal in the world. Maybe only topped by abbos"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ITT: Anime historical leaders"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomeone do this guy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLouis the Shota King"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nHe already did himself mate."}, {"id": 5, "content": "AI fail"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "there is not ONE religion in the history of the world that has been as heavily persecuted as Christianity, and not a one that despite such intense persecution has spread regardless as far and wide around the globe\n\nto this day, on this very board, the catalogue is filled every day with ineffectual hateful screeds about Christians and Christ specifically\n\nit's never religion in general met with such vitriol, and only rarely does the incessant hate touch upon another specific faith\n\nno, that screeching is reserved exclusively for Christ which is telling because his message is so uncontroversially good and wholesome\n\none could ask what kind of person or group of people could devote so much time to attacking the faith, but that might be missing the point\n\nsee, their feeble strikes actually justify the faith and as much is written down in the gospels\n\nlet them hide their faces, they have their reward"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">redditspacing"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it's never religion in general met with such vitriol, and only rarely does the incessant hate touch upon another specific faith\nReminder that /his/ atheists actually openly defended pagan Japanese penis worship"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fact that the Catholic Church is the most hated religion proves that it is true, because Satan wishes to destroy it more than anything else."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nCount it as blessing. The more enemies God sends your way, the more /fit/ you become."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Manichaeism was persecuted out of existence, by everyone including Christians, around the entire world."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJudaism is hated more. Christians are just easier targets"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nwhat did I say about spreading around the whole world despite persecution? The only other example I can think of would be Buddhism in its early years, but that doesn't quite reach the same level as Christianity.\n\nMani was a Christian heretic anyways, based in his own way imo. It's not like there are many Arians or Gnostics running around today."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIt spread around the whole world, from Europe to China, despite severe persecution. Unlike Christianity, it was never the official state religion of one of the world's great powers. So it was more heavily persecuted than Christianity.\n>Mani was a Christian heretic anyways\nOkay, then Augustine was a Manichean reject who nevertheless brought its main thematic content directly into Christianity irrevocably altering it forever.\n>It's not like there are many Arians or Gnostics running around today\nThe State of Theology survey routinely poses the statement 'Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God'. Consistently a majority of Christians across denominations agree with the statement, which is distinctively Arian, because they have no idea what the religion they proclaim to practice entails. So there are an overwhelming number of Arians running around today."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Augustine was a Manichean reject who nevertheless brought its main thematic content directly into Christianity\n\nhuh, first I've heard of this but it sounds legit. What's your sauce here?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nHe was a lower level Manichean for around a decade, but left when they never let him rise in the ranks.\nSource: This isn't hidden knowledge, Augustine literally talks about it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\ncool, you learn something new every day\n\nI've been meaning to read Augustine for some time anyways, I'll check it out."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts filled with Christard hate because Christards are the largest and most annoying segment of the board's religious population. All Abrahamic religion is shit, Hinduism is shit, Buddhism is reasonably less shit"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>Listen to this old incredulous man who knows what he is saying: the masterpiece of anti-Christian propaganda is having managed to create in Christians, especially Catholics, a bad conscience, instilling in them concern, if not shame, for their own history. By dint of insisting, from the Reformation to the present day, they have managed to convince you that you are responsible for all or almost all the ills of the world. They have paralyzed you in masochistic self-criticism to neutralize the criticism of what has taken your place. Feminists, homosexuals, third worldists, pacifists, representatives of all minorities, protesters and malcontents of any kind, scientists, humanists, philosophers, ecologists,, defenders of animals, secular moralists: they have allowed everyone to give you accounts, often falsified, without arguing. There has not been a problem, error or historical suffering that has not been imputed to you. And you, almost always ignorant of your past, have come to believe it, to the point of supporting it. Instead, I (agnostic, but also a historian who tries to be objective) tell you that you must react in the name of truth. It is also true that, after a balance of twenty centuries of Christianity, the lights largely prevail over the darkness. Then why don't you demand accountability from he who demands it of you? Have the results of those that have come after been better? From what pulpits do you listen contritely to certain sermons?\n\nLéo Moulin cited by Vitorio Messori"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Waahh why are Christians so persecuted?\nAlright op which netflix made a joke about christians/christianity this time"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Redpill me on Nero. I know he was not as crazy as people say."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you'd found yourself close to a hot spring, that works in such a way that it imprisons whoever gets in there in a never-ending circle of pure, mindless joy, a joy so great it makes it impossible to think or act, that makes it impossible to get out of there once you get in, a never-ending mindless pleasure that also nourishes your body for all eternity, would you go inside the hot spring or would you be deadly afraid of it?\nunrel pic"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwill i get to have sex with hot women in the hot spring?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDeathly afraid of it. Also, pic related reminds me of a guy on Reddit who hallucinated a giant roach wife named Olga or smth."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So protties basically believe that everyone who believes in God, even a little, will be saved? And that saying “sorry god” in their head absolves them of all sin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "THE MOST CHRISTIAN OF «PROTESTANTS» IS A BIBLIOLATER."}, {"id": 3, "content": "No"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing a protestant is like being a vegan who eats meat.\nWhether or not thats a bad thing or makes sense is up to you."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nRefute it using only the Bible."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nhuh? The bible doesn't use the term protestant and describe what they believe"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nthat's not what I'm asking Dirk"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAll protestant branches, especially those that follow Sola Scriptura, reject the notion of confessing to a priest or doing any kind of repentance. Protestants believe that salvation can be reached through faith alone, so there is amount of sin that can keep you from achieving salvation as long as you have faith. Therefore, everyone who has faith will go to heaven. Sin doesn't exist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>So protties basically believe that everyone who believes in God, even a little, will be saved?\nNo. First we have to define what \"believing in God\" even means. Believe in him existing? Because you can definately acknowledge that God exists and still go to hell."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYou are wrong\nRead any protestant confession\n\n>>7\nIt was unclear\n\n1 John 1:9 ESV\nIf we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.\n\nLuke 13:3 ESV\nNo, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Protestantism =/ Easy Believism"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes\n>>3\n>>9\nWrong, Soijak."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nconfess our sins to whom? and who judges whether repentance is sufficient or appropriate?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\na priest"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nis this biblical?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine being so biblically illiterate, you think this is true."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\narguably, yes"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? ' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!\n\nJesus didn't say that they trusted in their works too much. Jesus didn't say they didn't have enough faith. Jesus said that they worked iniquity, so they were damned."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nis there a Bible verse that says you must confess your sins to a priest (or elder), instead of alone with God?\n\nIm not trying to shit on Catholicism, im genuinely curious."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nNot him, there is only a verse that says to confess sins to one another. Catholics tend to use this as justification for their priest confession thing. Which is silly."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>“Not every one that saith unto Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father who is in Heaven.\n\n>For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you believe in God you won't want to sin to begin with"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nYou don't have faith in Jesus if you're not obeying him. Imagine being lost in a rainforest and then navigator comes up to you claiming he can get you out of there safe. Could you really say that you believed in him if you just went your own way instead of following his instructions?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nJames 5:16\nTherefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.\n\nAccording to Protestants, both of these are a no-no. No one is allowed to pray for someone else, because intercession is false"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNo you're just not allowed to pray to the dead to pray for you. That's divination. Asking someone else to prayer for you is fine. When you pray, pray to the Lord."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nAsking your friend to pray for you = fine, effective\nAsking for saints and the mother of God to pray for you alongside your prayers = heresy\nDunno why Protties disrespect of hate Mary for some reason. they act like she is in hell or something"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNeither Mary nor any of the other saints can hear your prayers."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nFalse"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThey can because they go to God first and then God forwards them to Mary or the Saints"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Sin is definitely subjective depending on someone's calling. Moses who is God's friend being mad at Israel once disqualified him from the promised land. If God did not reveal to you himself… Sin being like US Constitution tried in human court we saw you doing XYZ so we can tell based on that. No no no no no. Never has been. Never has been, never ever has been."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsn't one thread enough for internecine squabbling? You tards shit up the board enough as is."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\n>is there a Bible verse that says you must confess your sins to a priest (or elder), instead of alone with God?\n\nJohn 20:22-23 When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>14\nHave you seen what passes for a priest these days? There is no way even half are ordained by god."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">repeating rifles invented years before the civil war\n>rejected by military\n>used single shot Springfield Rifle musket\nHow could they not make a repeating rifle that worked well when they had revolvers for officers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1. Not enough produced to field them adequately in such short notice.\n\n2. When militaries adopt new equipment, it goes through meticulous field testing until deemed fit for service. Early repeaters may not have been as reliable.\n\n3. Militaries are very slow to adopt new things because it means a complete overhaul of training and educating an army on how to efficiently use these new tools. They used blot actions because they had been around longer and they worked. Trying to completely replace their service rifles is a huge gamble inevitably followed by issues with logistics. Even today we are very slow to adopt so much as a new camouflage pattern."}, {"id": 3, "content": "because its way cheaper to make muskets and minie type balls than rifles with complex breech and metallic cartridges\nfor the same money you can arm twice as many men with twice as much ammunition, at least"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Having a repeating rifle won't do you any good if you shoot all your ammo in the first hour of the battle and due to shitty supply lines you can't get any more."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP's pic could accidentally set off every cartridge in the cylinder is why"}, {"id": 6, "content": "repeating rifles are mechanically complex to produce, require more maintenance and are more prone to malfunction once jostled\n\n>>5\nalso this, the more powder in the gun the more likely catastrophic failure is\n\nthe question is mutifactorial"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nprobably more like for the same money you can are four times as many men with four times the ammunition."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are your favorite historical waifus?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Tatiana was the younger sister of Grand Duchess Olga and the elder sister of Grand Duchess Maria, Grand Duchess Anastasia, and Tsarevich Alexei. She was considered to be the most beautiful of all her sisters and the most aristocratic in appearance. She was known amongst her siblings as \"the governess\" for her domineering but also maternal ways\n\n>Domineering\nDommy\n>Maternal\nMommy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnne"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is this true?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's just a roundabout way of saying he's disgusted with the skills of weak men like cunning and treason."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Yes. It's why niggers will literally kill you if you scuff their jordans whereas Frank Hassle makes videos of stealing people's groceries with no repercussions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh, yes. Nowadays more than ever."}, {"id": 5, "content": "People in the old American West were generally very polite because everybody was armed."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSad accurate of this post"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes very true\nhow many times i wanted to kill somebody but remembered i live in a police state"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWrong. Civilized People of old were very courteous, because you'll never know when you're insulting a member of the aristocracy who can fuck you up, and also if you start trouble with said discourtesy, the aristocracy will be pissed off with your disorderly conduct, or the other guy's entire clan would come down on you like a tonna bricks.\n\nLiberalism and democracy made people discourteous. If being rude and an asshole is \"freedom of speech\" you can be as much as a dick however you like."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThe aristocracy wouldn't return the courtesy to the plebs though, would they? If we're talking about leverage, strength can go both ways, but social pressure only one. Aristocratic shitheads talked to their aristocratic shithead friends the same way a plebeian shithead talked to his. There wasn't freedom of speech as a civil right but you generally had the right to communicate how you saw fit with people of the same or lower social standing. I'd say the average person (read: a serf, peasant, or low level tradesman) talked how they liked an overwhelming majority of the time, which in a civilized society with laws against violence means comfortable in potentially inciting such with rude or discourteous speech."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenerally true. The most polite and friendliest people I’ve ever met have all been from 3rd world shitholes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>because you'll never know when you're insulting a member of the aristocracy\nMaybe if you're blind and/or retarded. You see a guy wearing very nice clothes who is probably on a horse, it's pretty fucking easy to tell he's from an important family."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Christians think people should be forced to stay married?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it really accurate to call Steven Crowder \"far-right\"? Isn't he just a normie conservative?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">make a promise to someone\n>be expected to keep it\nthe horror\nI'm not even on the right, but it is a strange world where every contract and oath except one to love another can be made legally binding"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nRetarded concept desu. You can't in good faith promise that you will 100% love someone forever under any circumstances."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>far right\n\nHe’s a middling Romney tier republican LMAO\n\nWe will show these leftist dogs the TRUE right wing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo long as adulterers get stoned, sure."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n... yes you can\nlove is to be tended to like a land. To fail in love — in marriage — is to not have attempted to mend and till your fields enough, both of you.\nMarriage certainly can bind you to unpleasantness, but it isn't anything that can't be fixed with time, faith and work — which, coincidentally, you have, by virtue of being legally bound to your other. Shocking."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI would wager the vast majority of Christians are okay with divorce if adultery is involved."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Do you take this person for better or for worse\nPeople always forget the \"for worse\" part. Not even mentioning abuse or other things similar but people getting divorced for petty reasons shouldn't be allowed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nFalling out of love is not something that you can control. The person that you love can slowly change over decades and suddenly you realize that you don't love them anymore. No dramatic fights or cheating have to be involved, this is just how things are sometimes."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nyou sound like somebody whos only exposure to love is through some hammy romcom or a self insert story"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nYou're not White"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't he stop doing his show for a while to help care for his wife after she had been temporarily left in a wheelchair after a stillbirth? What an ungrateful bitch."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\n1. «PROTESTANTS» ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.\n\n2. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MATRIMONY IS OBLIGATORY, BUT ETERNAL, IN THE SENSE THAT IT CANNOT BE UNDONE; DIVORCE IS A CIVIL ACT OF DISSOLUTION OF COHABITATION, NOT A RELIGIOUS ONE; DIVORCE DOES NOT DISSOLVE THE MARRIAGE."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nPerfect, Franco would have loved me"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThanks Dirk!"}, {"id": 17, "content": "What God hath joined together let no man tear asunder"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nIt's all about biblical standards Anon"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nYes and that means you work through it. You find that spark again.not just give up"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nIs this what happens to a virgin brain past age 30?\n\nDid you learn human behavior from anime games?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nThat's not always realistic, anon. When you marry someone in your early 20s, there's a good chance that they'll be a very different person three decades later. It's not just about \"losing the spark\", there's just no guarantee that you'll even like that person at a fundamental level, let alone love them."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\n>make a promise to someone\n>don't keep it anymore\n>person promise was made to doesn't want you to keep it anymore either\nWhat's the problem?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat part of \"til death do us part\" do you not understand"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>10\n\"wuv\" is a chemical reaction that evolved for short-term pair bonding for hunter gatheres that lasts just long enough to get a child through is most vulnerable years until it is old enough to join his or her mother with the gathering and the father returns back to hunting full time with the men (male and female hunter gatherers don't co-mingle much outside of sex). As settled society evoled and became complex, child rearing necessitated long-term economic alliances between families to properly read a child, aka \"marriage.\" The fickleness of women who are chasing the short term feeling of \"wuv\" cannot be allowed to destabilize this economic reality."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nContracts have a way to terminate them"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYes, typically there are conditions for termination of such a contract, but not marriage, hence \"no fault\" divorce."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not a Christian and think people should have to stay married unless they have an actually good reason"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nEven in a no-fault divorce you're not just walking out of your obligations. There's going to be potentially a lengthy process of deciding how you're going to divide assets, alimony, custody of children, child support, etc.\nWhat materially is being damaged by no-fault divorce existing beyond Crowder's feelings? I don't see any reason why you should be legally tied to someone for life who's a piece of shit just because they haven't cheated on you."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>What materially is being damaged by no-fault divorce existing beyond Crowder's feelings?\nSociety"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nonly beta cucks want to get married. chads just want to fuck."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nforcing two people who increasingly don't like each other is unironically far worse"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nNo, the degeneracy you're defending is far worse. The scenario you describe is one of sin which is to be resolved through the counseling of a minister. Marriage is not a game men invented for their pleasure, it is a sacred covenant before God in which man and woman are joined together for life for the production and raising of children."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nGod doesnt exist."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI accept your concession"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\nThis is why Islam is superior to Christianity\n\nChristians idealize women and worship them\n\nMuslims know how ungrateful and treacherous women are"}, {"id": 36, "content": "The problem isn't that termination is too easy. It's that it lets one party keep taking the fruits of the relationship (forcefully) afterwards. Imagine if you could quit a job, but still force your ex-employer to pay you the same wage to maintain your previous standard of living. It's patently absurd."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\n\"*sigh* I am le bored and I think I can get better dick\" is a shitty reason to divorce."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>4\n>>10\nLove has nothing to do with marriage. It's a business transaction. Breaking it should come with the same consequences as breaking any other kind of agreement."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nwell, if the baseline dick is Crowder's, that's a reasonable guess"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\nyou say that yet everytime I see a fucked up kids its always because his parents were pressured into keeping up a failed marriage and had no chance to just move on, unironically actually try to live with somebody who you are no longer on great terms with for several years and you will quickly see why it wears you down"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>32\n>IT'S A SIN!!!\n>If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3 and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4 then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord.\nDeuteronomy 24\n\nNo-fault divorce is biblical, moron. The law says nothing about infidelity being necessary.\nAnd before you mention Jesus, here's what he said about his strict rules on marraige, in contradiction of Moses:\n>10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”\n\n>11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”\nMatthew 19\n\nJesus says this is so strict that it is better just to not marry. You follow that personally, but I don't want the government encouraging people to just not marry, as it would according to Jesus. Seems like bad policy to me, to encourage a society of men chained to their spouses and \"eunuchs\"."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nFOR YOU\n\nNot her"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nNo that kind of fickleness and disloyalty is bad for society."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\nyou're the one who thinks that the only reason for anyone to get divorced is when the wife finds a better dick lmao"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nWhy should anyone be loyal to a retard like you?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nnta but even assuming his is absolute retard and drag on society what does that have to do with terrible behaviour described earlier?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're not willing to stay with someone for life then don't get married."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nThat's nice, however are you aware that you will stand before a holy God sir? He will not be pleased with how you have twisted His words to justify your wickedness. You will be judged for every idle thought, every idle word and every idle deed, and there will be no mercy for anyone outside of Jesus Christ.\n>Deuteronomy 24\n\"because he finds something indecent about her\", this is not arbitrary. This is the Lord's word concerning divorce (Mark 10:2-9): \"And Pharisees came up and in order to test him asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce and to send her away.” And Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”\n>Seems like bad policy to me\nWho asked for your opinion?\n>>40\nI've seen plenty of people who have been damaged because of the broken homes they came from. It is a catastrophe brought about by hedonism. The family needs to be restored to preeminence. Any damage in these relationships (the vast majority of which is caused by the secular world and life view) can be healed through the spiritual guidance and intervention of God and His servants."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nDrop the larp. You're never getting your theocracy, nor are you ever getting married."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nAnd you will never be a woman."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nCorrect, I am a man. What of it?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nLike I said, that's your choice, but just because Jesus says you should do something doesn't mean it's good policy for the government to mandate that.\nJesus also says if a man robs you, do not defend yourself, give him what he wants. Does that mean the government should punish you for defending yourself, or otherwise encourage people to not defend themselves? Should police, especially those that are Christians, also be pacifists?\n\nBesides, we have separation of Church and State. Your religion does not decide what we can and can't do."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>just because Jesus says you should do something doesn't mean it's good policy for the government to mandate that.\nGood? By what standard? Jesus is Lord. He is the rightful King of every nation. There is no other standard but His will, and there is no legitimate authority apart from Him.\n>Does that mean the government should punish you for defending yourself, or otherwise encourage people to not defend themselves?\nNo sir, you are twisting that scripture as well.\n>Your religion does not decide what we can and can't do.\nCorrect. My God does."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho even still listens to this le epic republigolem \"\"\"\"\"comedian\"\"\"\"\"?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>pic\nYou are a goat."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>No sir, you are twisting that scripture as well.\nWhere does Jesus give exceptions for Christians to not be pacifists?\n\nbtw, I'm not saying that Jesus supported these hypothetical laws. I'm saying that this is an example of why the government shouldn't over legislate certain morals, let alone religious beliefs that work fine for an individual's belief and moral values, but is very bad as a government-mandated policy."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMan, the Daily Wire really dodged a bullet with him"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine pussying out of a debate with Sam Seder of all people"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>27\nCongrats you're only half stupid"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>24\nOk Rick and Morty"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\n>Where does Jesus give exceptions for Christians to not be pacifists?\nThe teaching is not about pacifism.\n>let alone religious beliefs that work fine for an individual's belief and moral values, but is very bad as a government-mandated policy.\nChristianity isn't just a religious belief, it's the truth. The government is going to have a state religion whether that be Christianity or atheism or Islam, it's not whether but which. I just say it ought to be the true religion."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>50\nMuh trannies"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>38\nwhat if Steven wasn't performing his end of the contract?\nNot bringing home money, not helping his wife in sickness and in health, not being heterosexual, etc?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's a way to simplify complex dynamics and problems. Small minds need to simplify many things to cope with the world. Everybody ITT talking about how it should be, or why it should be like that, are small minds trying to cope and in the process losing their time. In reality it is how it is; if you expected otherwise, you were wrong."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>7\n>t. incel virgin"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nthat would be a fault, no?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>62\nTranny is a hilarious punchline\n\nDie mad about it"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nYou know chuddy sometimes you're pretty based. You just need to get saved so you can go to heaven with us :)"}, {"id": 69, "content": "They'll never pass laws that take away women's power. Even conservatives would kneel to women's rights to divorce at will"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nI wish that was true"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How much of Christianity has been influenced by European traditions? I know Priest used to tell Pagans that they were just worshipping the Christian God in a different way to convert them, but how many practices have been loaned from pagans over the centuries of doing this. I've heard theories that Christianity was corrupted by the Greeks and Paul from muslims.\n\nOn Muslims, how much of Islamic practice can be traced back to the pagan traditions of pre-islamic Arabia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I feel monasticism is one such practice which is not so much a \"pagan\" one as it is a pre-Christian cultural one."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPre-Islamic Arabia was Jewish\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">people call the Japanese Tenno Emperor, despite him having nothing to do with European Monarchs claiming the prestige of being a Caesar, he is actually more like equivalent of a Pope for Shintoism\n>people apply the term paganism to religions other than indo-european paganism, despite these religions having no common origin\n>hinduism for some reason isn‘t regarded as paganism for some strange reason\n>confucianism is regarded as a religion, but not ideologies like humanism, which is just christian values without the supernatural or belief in the irrational\n>Pagans for some reason are eternally stuck at either being christians with more equality bullshit and a different coat of paint (left-wing pagans) or busy with the impossible task to reconstruct a religion with not enough material to work with (right-wing pagans), no one trusts a sort of pagan Bishop to settle the reconstructionist problem by creating new meaning through his authority and will (seriously? There is no one?)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>hinduism for some reason isn‘t regarded as paganism for some strange reason\nPeople call Hindus pagans all the time, especially Muzzies. Pagan = Not Abrahamic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hinduism for some reason isn‘t regarded as paganism for some strange reason\nThat's just because its a living religion and calling it Pagan would be politically incorrect\n>confucianism is regarded as a religion, but not ideologies like humanism, which is just christian values without the supernatural or belief in the irrational\nConfucianism certainly straddles the line between religion and philosophy, but it prescribes rituals, including ancestor veneration"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's a cute girl, what's her name?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "天皇 = Heavenly sovereign or Emperor in English.\nPaganism = any religion with multiple folk deities.\nLots of people consider Hinduism paganism.\nConfucianism has Heaven worship and 上帝 as central concepts.\nBasic belief of most paganism is spirit worship, which precludes any authority from mortal beings.\n\n\nNext question?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople also translate Huángdì to Emperor for China because its easier than having to explain the 5 emperors and 3 sovereigns myth and why Qin chose to make a name that invokes it to note he's better than a king.\nInteresting the Huángdì hanzi is also found in Japanese and means the same thing (but read as kotei) but the Japanese Emperor doesn't use it as his title"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's called ethnocentrism, dumbass."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmperor comes from the Latin Imperator meaning (he) who rules, governs, commands. The Roman Kings had imperium as did the consuls and Caesars. The term was used for anyone who held power."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut right-wing paganism is also just christianity with a different coat of paint. Most odinist larpers just follow regular christian conservative values, but with a different aesthetic and some shallow \"warrior ethics\" nonsense."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>Paganism = any religion with multiple folk deities.\nIt's still applied to monotheistic faiths. The original meaning died off ages ago."}, {"id": 11, "content": "TENNO HEIKA BANZAI\n\nBANZAI\nA\nN\nZ\nA\nI"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\n>>6\n>>8\n\nty ty"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Turkics started to genocide Armenians out of the blue?\nthey are the true natives of Anatolia"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't \"out of the blue\", the hundreds-year old Ottoman Empire was collapsing and minorities were threatening to break away seeking independence, so the Turkish government took advantage of the chaos to try to deal with them once and for all. And it wasn't just Armenians, Pontic Greeks were also genocided in those years. A particularly harrowing book is \"The Blight of Asia\", written by a foreign diplomat (American IIRC) that saw first hand the genocide of the Greeks by the Turks at Smyrna."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot true, armos didn't live in anatolia, they lived in the armenian highlands, east of anatolia"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBased book recommender anon"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArmenians are just Turkish people who never converted to Islam."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat is an odd way of spelling Hattic there sir…"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHittites were Indo-Europeans, Turks are just unrelated steppe mutts"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>genocide of the Greeks by the Turks at Smyrna.\nkek"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThere's also a class element to it. Armenians were allowed to run businesses, some of them became rich from moneylending or something, so the common Turkish people hated them for that.\n\nIt's the typical imperial strategy of pitting its subjects with one another than has gone awry because it's incompatible and obsolete by democratic nationalism. The opposite thing happened in the Balkans, where Turks owned land, were in positions of power, had privileges, etc. and the majority Christians hated them (so they genocided the Turks)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You may be uncircumsied, but are you unvaxxed and unclamped? You may not know, which makes it x100 times worse that your parents let doctors violate your bloodstream with science juice and purposefully cutting of blood flow to you in your moments of first light."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Mao, however, began publicly articulating far sharper disagreements. He repeatedly asserted during the Moscow gathering that nuclear war would bring about socialism, and he declared during a speech, “The whole world has 2 billion 200 million people, possibly it will lose a third; or even more, possibly it will lose half . . . but there will be another half; the imperialists will be hit completely, [and] the whole world will become socialist; and after a couple of years, it will again have 2 billion 200 million people, probably more.” The head of the Italian communist party, Palmiro Togliatti, asked \"Comrade Mao Zedong? And how many Italians will survive an atomic war?\" Mao calmly replied, \"None at all. But why do you think that Italians are so important to humanity?\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao killed more people than Hitler and Stalin, Westerners are so fucking naive to give China free trade."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased retard."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSeriously. Nixon apologists wonder why I hate Nixon with such a burning passion, and I always use this, amongst other things, as Exhibit A."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The head of the Italian communist party, Palmiro Togliatti, asked \"Comrade Mao Zedong? And how many Italians will survive an atomic war?\" Mao calmly replied, \"None at all. But why do you think that Italians are so important to humanity?\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nChina purged Maoists, Dengism is based\n\n>>4\nNixon outmanuvered China incel, anyway BRICS is the future"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nTOTAL SHITALIAN DEATH."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nGo back to /pol/, cunt\n>>unknown\n>Nixon shock\n>Fucked up Vietnam/Indochina incredibly awfully by not going either full hawk or full dove and generally half assing everything he did there\n>Supported Pakistan in 1971\n>Indulged the CIA in its worst ever tendencies and laid the groundwork for the most fucked stuff they would do later on\n>Empowered the FBI and feds ridiculously\n>Expanded government overreach a shit ton in almost all aspects of life\n>Super fucked the economy permanently for a number of reasons\nThere is a ton of other stuff but he is one of my least favorite presidents for sure"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nnope. nixon was based. try again\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CimHXD8evVk [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nKek. His statements on Jews always make me laugh super fucking hard too. Definitely had some great speeches/one liners for sure. Still shit though."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>>6\nRead Wang Ming.\n\nHe hated Mao with a passion and reminded loyal to the USSR and died in the USSR of old age"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nVietnam was lost the moment JFK playboy retard and Dems couped Diem."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>le based\nAre you 12 years old?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nBRICS is retarded.\n\nSouth Africa is a literal shithole.\n\nI rather see the Boer Republics be made"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nDO NOT REDEEM THE CARD\nMAAM ARE YOU MAD\nARE YOU MAD MAAM\nI SAID\nDO NOT REDEEM"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>BRICS is the future\nSuper powers are done. There's no unilateral domination ever happening again."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nMao and his thoughts also uplifted China to be more powerful than it had ever been after centuries of foreign exploitation. The road to liberation was always going to be hard."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>BRICS is the future\nRIC is the future. Brazil is a shithole and South Africa is three bad days away from becoming a full-blown failed state."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have similar sentiments when it comes to nuking Russia and China. Sure the damage would be immense, but it's preferable to sharing the Earth with Russians and Mainlanders."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nYou are delusional. Mao killed 40 million Chinamen in the greatest famine the world has ever seen to date."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">China: why don't I have any allies?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's this quote from?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>>14\nThe whole point of BRICS is that it's group of the 3rd world, led by China, to challenge the 1st world. It's supposed to have shitholes."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nThe US couped Diem because they thought his incompetence would lose them everything, realistically it was lost when he declared Catholicism the state religion of an overwhelmingly Buddhist country.\nAlienating the monks was a mistake the Vietnamese right could never afford."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\nMao wants you to nuke china. Go ahead and do it please."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Built for BBC."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Look up Mayek. 3 disasters in Russia. One of them is arguably worse. But got buried in Soviet secrecy. Basically the Russians started refining for nukes, and were dumping straight waste into the Techa River. They realized that's bad, and started storing it in big refrigerated tanks. But they neglected to maintain them and they exploded, spewing a radioactive cloud over Russa in 1957. The Kyshtym disaster. 2nd worst incident in history. Then they decided to store the waste in giant holding ponds. They got hit with huge rain and overflowed the ponds. contaminating the surrounding area. A Couple years later A drought hit the region and evaporated all the water concentrating the waste in the lake beds. Then a huge wind storm came and blew all the concentrated waste dust over Europe. They had native tribes and kids do the clean up. Bunch of people went bald over night.\nThose ponds are currently the most polluted place on earth. A swim will kill you in an hour.\nThe Mayek facility is where Europe ships all its spent reactor fuel to be re-enriched. Nasty polluted place."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRevisionist khruskhevite faggot lies"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nyeah, comrade Stalin was a good boy and dindu nuffin!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe Soviet Union died with Stalin. History will vindicate him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Why were people so much happier in the past? It must have been the traditional values."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>wake up\n>swallow my daily meth pill\n>go to work in the widget factory\n>run over a nigger\n>chuckle\n>blood makes the wheels slippery\n>crash\n>get impaled on the steering column"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell, I got to say those pills would do better for depression than SSRIs."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>methamphetamine\n>phenobarbital\nWhat happened to not mixing uppers and downers?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf meth was never outlawed and its purity could be regulated we would be much better off. Weed and heroin should obviously be illegal but meth boosts productivity."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>these losers don't have meth script today\nno you don't understand i have adult adhd"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if the U.S invaded or far more directly intervened in Syria to get rid of Assad in 2013? What would have been the aftermath of that?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">denounced slavery but owned slaves\n\nWas he the 18th century equivalent of leftists who use their iPhones to talk about how much they hate capitalism?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">There are people on this board who unironically think it's fine to be Christian and a white nationalist at the same time.\nNot cool."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nigger."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was he really that bad?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He wasn't as bad as Pol Pot."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a based retard but he won and that's what matters."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nNo.\nPeople just seething that he didnt suicide his nation into ww2.\n\nHe did quite well in unifying the different political and social factions, stabilizing the nation, and achieve an economic recovery\n\nHis main problem was that he was excluded from the international community and as a result Spain remained a semi-third world stagnated 1930s economy throughout much of the cold war, until he managed to turn things around in the 70s."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno. but should have kept an isolated pact with portugal.\n\nHe also helped Batista and was good friends"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthis is literally false and retarded considering the 70s was a crisis because of Faisal and the end of keynesian economics"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>based retard\nThat be Tojo."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAnon probably means the 1960s, when Franco reversed autarky and sought economic integration with the EEC, leading to the \"Spanish miracle\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I figured out that Orthodox is theologically more reasonable than Catholic."}, {"id": 2, "content": "That's not saying much. The second coming still never happened btw."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are your favorites?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has anyone read through the differences between the KJV and other translations?\n\nhttps://textusreceptusbibles.com/Differences_Between_Textus_Receptus_and_NaUbs\n\nat first glance:\n>anger is a sin if it is \"without cause.\"\nKJV-onlyists are allowed to get angry at anything they please as long as they justify it in their head\n>The Textus Receptus says not to do \"alms\" before men. The Nestle-Aland says not to do \"acts of righteousness\" before men.\nKJV-onlyists are allowed to be \"holier than thou\" as long as they arnt donating to the poor."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could have Hitler won the war?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou only need everyone else to become completely retarded and keep being retarded so they squander their immense advantage over adolf spergler"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\nAdolf was smart, if not, how else could he have won the battle of france"}, {"id": 4, "content": "These threads are pointless once you realize that ww2 was just a massive countdown for the Axis until they starve and get nuked."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Just insert random gallows with several hung in front of the Reichstag just so you can be reminded that you are not supposed to like this picture.\nOh wow, so deep."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler lost the moment he literally restored germanic paganism.\n\nHe was 100% anti christian like mussolini, and stalin"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nbecause the French was extremely retarded, no really look up the finer details of the battle and the French high command and you will soon see how they pretty mcuh did everything wrong"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe have this thread every fucking day. You fucking faggots have ass worms that finally crawled up into your head."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nLol, even Hitler was extremely surprised by France falling so easily."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nNo he wasn't, fuckstick. Himmler and some of his SS were the ones obsessed with a neopagan revival."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNaazis would 't have allowed smartphones."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf he didn't go full gamer on the Slavs and Italy did literally anything right, then yeah, definitely."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nHitler seemed pretty ambivalent on religion, he flip flopped between whatever appealed to his autism at the given moment. Himmler was the one that got deep into the larpy neopagan stuff, and Goebbels was a devout catholic. It's kinda cringe when anyone tries to claim any absolutes about the religious nature of nazi germany, everyone at the top was fighting over it, just like they did everything else."}, {"id": 14, "content": "All it would have taken was one single phone call from Rommel and Hitler would have declared logistics a Jewish science. Nazi Germany was a house of cheap porcelain built on a faulty foundation."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Britcucks came to their sensibilities then yes"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>All it would have taken was one single phone call from Rommel and Hitler would have declared logistics a Jewish science. Nazi Germany was a house of cheap porcelain built on a faulty foundation.\n\n\n??? why rommel specifically"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nLetting a unified power dominate continental Europe would be contrary to British grand strategy"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuppose everything goes right for Germany. They capture Moscow in 1942, get the Baku oilfields, Britain surrenders from an incredibly unlikely successful Sealion, every single German wank fantasy you could think of happens... they still would get nuked come '45 or '46 and there would be two giant glass craters where Berlin and Cologne stand today, so no.\n\n>b-b-b-but the Germans could develop their own nukes\nNo they couldn't. The budget for the German nuclear program was 0.1% of the Manhattan Project, their reactor had not even achieved criticality and they lacked the heavy water they needed to make their design work. They lacked the resources to develop a nuke."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWouldn't part of the 'everything goes right for Germany' scenario presuppose that Germany manages to acquire nuclear weaponry? Also, even in the scenario you posited, with Britain capitulating from outright German occupation, how is America reaching Central Europe to drop nuclear bombs on Cologne and Berlin? Did America possess bombers capable of travelling from the East Coast to Central Europe and back with a nuclear payload?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nThis is what a Nazi victory would actually look like:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/mVvT-xmdWCc [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Wouldn't part of the 'everything goes right for Germany' scenario presuppose that Germany manages to acquire nuclear weaponry?\nIt was a literal impossibility, that's the point. (Then again so is a successful Sealion but that's another can of worms)\n\n>Also, even in the scenario you posited, with Britain capitulating from outright German occupation, how is America reaching Central Europe to drop nuclear bombs on Cologne and Berlin? Did America possess bombers capable of travelling from the East Coast to Central Europe and back with a nuclear payload?\nYes, by 1946.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36_Peacemaker\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\nWas Goebbels a devout Catholic? I’d read that he was raised Catholic but fell away from the faith"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nvgh.. vvhat covld've been"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nI'm really not sure what I'm supposed to take away from this.\n>>21\nA couple of things. If everything goes right and Germany wins pretty quickly against Britain and the USSR, doesn't that mean they have time until 1946 to not only work on their own nuclear program but also reinvest in the Luftwaffe and their anti-air defenses? Is the American public really so committed to the war in Europe that even after completely losing not just continental Europe but also Britain they still insist on continued open hostilities against Germany? Is this bomber so good that it can literally cross the Atlantic to Central Europe without being touched by enemy aircraft at any point on that journey? Is two nuclear bombs really going to cut it? The Fuhrerbunker was built with a nuclear strike in mind. I doubt two nuclear bombs on a Germany that has otherwise won everything it wanted is going to force them into surrender, if anything, it will probably just make them even more determined to get back at America."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why can't the news be as simple and straight to the point as it was in the past?\nhttps://youtu.be/qAOo2VzTo8E [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/3d8Xc-3fh_E [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/kXC_43lLv6Y [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "every industry today has psychologists that determine how to maximize emotion and hypnotize their audience"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Saint Jacques de Molay was martyred for his faith and his brothers."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What other places have been forgotten to history and why?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "timbuktu"}, {"id": 3, "content": "when the fuck is ragevertising going to become a term\nall this black cleopatra stuff and trans chocolate is SOLELY designed for free advertising\n\nor do you think retards on 4chan would be shilling manhattan mini storage for free if their billboard simply said \"need storage call 1488-6000000\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>4chan is a major advertiser\nwow, within 3 minutes you've written an essay about how we should stop talking how stupid your side is"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\ndoesn't matter how big the format is, if a leaflet for mcdonalds blows all the way to some farmer in the middle of nowhere does it magically stop being an advertisment?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So as I understand it, Attila was a military genius who really surprised a lot of armies at the time with his largely mounted, ranged force. Even centuries later guys like Genghis ripped ass with this sort of thing.\nLet's use Rome as a talking point. I understand Rome was a shadow of its former self at this period, the quality of legionaries especially waning (I don't think they used the full-sized scutums anymore), but surely they understood some time-tested tactics like the Testudo?\nIf they were facing an army of mostly horse archers, why didn't the soldiers not engaged in the front utilize protection like this, where they could be covered above and on 3 of 4 sides, wasting the enemy's ammo reserves? Or did they and it just not work?\nA horse archer is probably using some shitty recurve bow, 50 lbs max.\nThis, combined with the fact legionaries carried spears to repel charges, had slings to volley back, and Diocletian's cavalry reforms putting more trained horsemen in the ranks, why did they struggle with the Huns so much? Other than sheer numbers and the general shittiness of the 4th-5th century.\n\nSame goes for later armies that struggled with the Mongols. Accuracy and power were not big strengths of steppe raider horse archers, and I'd think even the Slavs would have had better heavy armor solutions by that time.\n\nAnd yet the Huns and Mongols were two of the most successful armies in history, and won the majority of their battles."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>wasting the enemy's ammo reserves?\nLol\n\nBut seriously, learn what logistics are."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were. Its still problematic though because you're still slower and worse, pinned down in one place, compared to the mobile niggers.\n\nHaving massed missile infantry and your own cavalry is a better tactic vs. horse archers."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">A horse archer is probably using some shitty recurve bow, 50 lbs max.\nEh, you'd hope.\n>This, combined with the fact legionaries carried spears to repel charges\nThe main problem with horse archers isn't a direct charge.\n>had slings to volley back\nIf you were a hypothetical sling user standing in that formation, where and how would you place yourself to actually be able to do any damage to the galloping horsemen a few dozen yards away? Keep in mind you have to make the prospective damage worth it to not only risk your safety, but everyone around you who's defense is compromised by you lowering your shield.\n>and Diocletian's cavalry reforms putting more trained horsemen in the ranks\nWell they weren't bringing more cavalry than the Huns, which means the infantry would have to close some gaps in forming effective strategies, and Roman infantry were overall pretty sluggish. They were meant to be a well organized, tightly controlled armored ball of death, not a light armor ping pong ball that can bounce around wherever needed.\n\nI'm literally making all of this up though so idk maybe it was something else."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tried to challenge an open battle with your ebin testudo tactics\n>they just ignore you, ran past your slow asses, and raid your town instead"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe success of the Huns and Mongols wasn't so much due to the horse archers themselves (Assyrians had those a milennia before, they were a standard feature of the Ancient World), but the fact that they had innovative tactics to make better use of those horse archers. Feints, fake retreats, ambushes, shooting while retreating (thanks to the stirrup) allowed them to surprise the Europeans who were not used to these tactics.\n\nPoint is, except on rare cases like Catalaunian Fields (where they got BTFO), the Huns would not confront the Roman armies head-on, but loot every town in their path and wear down the armies trying to hunt them down."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnon look up the battle of Carrhae\n\nYou can sit there and wait until they run out of arrows but they can literally just go reload before you're capable of escaping, and even the weaker bows will eventually start getting through shields. The Romans who withstood the arrows were charged by heavy cavalry and the testudo formation isn't good at all at holding back heavy horses."}, {"id": 8, "content": "The testudo cannot move very fast and is a compact formation. In other words it's trivially easy for a mostly mounted army to surround or outmaneuver at their leisure. I take it from your comment about \"wasting ammo\" that you're not familiar with the Battle of Carrhae, you should probably read up on it. When you allow your force to be totally surrounded you cannot stop them from, say, setting up a line of supply to their archers to keep them freshly stocked with arrows so they can keep your army pinned down until they run out of food and water (which the horse archers do not, because, again, they have the leisure of setting up lines of supply as they have you totally surrounded). You can try to move the testudo, sure, but you'll never move faster than a horse even if you weren't trudging in slow defensive formation. They'll simply move the encirclement with you. Again, this isn't hypothetical. Read up on Carrhae."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe thing is, even if the arrows individually don't pack much punch and 99% of them get stopped by the shields, that 1% adds up over time. The slow accumulation of injuries and damage to equipment adds up real fast when you have no respite from the attack and are running out of food and water and have almost no chance to sleep. The more wounded soldiers you get the worse your formation, the higher that percentage of arrows hitting flesh becomes."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nIn some cases they had an incentive to crush a Roman army, like if they found out it was being led by somebody really important, and they could maybe wring some concessions out of Rome by defeating it, but most of the time yeah they'd have no reason to let the Romans bait them into a battle."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did colonization change how the Somali people view themselves as a nation? do they still think of their clans first or has ethnicity/ former colonial status and citizenship suppressed clan affiliation?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I am going to purchase a Franciscan habit and pray the daily office at home and in the woods and no one is going to stop me. Praise God."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am going to purchase the Istari robes and reenact the meetings of the Council of the Wise at home and in the woods and no one is going to stop me. Praise Eru."}, {"id": 3, "content": "have fun"}, {"id": 4, "content": "You didn't need to make a thread about this."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Al-Andalus had a multitude of achievements in arts and sciences so why did Christian Spain never contribute anything relevant to science in the last 770 years?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Science is faggot bullshit"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nmalding christchud"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were still largely European during Muslim rule. By the end they were Moorish"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAl-Andalus must based as Hideyoshi conquests of Korea."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nCan't tell if this is a joke graph because of the inclusion of Mr \"Saars I am British white saars\" Pakistan."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n\"Arabs\" include any native speaker of Arabic\n>>6\nHe looks more British than Senior Moor"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nthe one on the left is Spanish and on the right a Frenchman"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>multitude of achievements in arts and sciences\nlike what\n\nhardmode: no gay islamic poetry, translations or plagiarizing other cultures"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>\"Arabs\" include any native speaker of Arabic\nno that would be Muladi."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYes"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThis man is an \"Arab\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nHe looks like an Ingush.\nAnd still, he is not fucking French man and never will be. He speaks Urdu to his ugly fucking auntie inside his poorly ventilated 20-person shared apartment inside Karachi city while eating halal curry. Then he pretends to be white on the internet because he is a mutt.\n>>1 (OP)\nToo busy conquering and killing people."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nAn ingush at best mind you."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\ncould be. he's syrian."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nHe looks French"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNo, he doesn't he looks race mixed as fuck."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nit's an Arab what happens is that several Syrians have European features"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nWho does the man in the middle more resemble?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nMiddle and Right look Aryan while left looks Dravidian."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nCorrect"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nDue to the color palette the right. Feature-wise I'd say he skews left but only a little.\nRight still speaks Urdu and is a fucking Muslim pretending to be white on the internet and honestly would not be surprised if he put himself in that graph because of ethnic insecurity (that real whites do not actually have, but let the curry eater enjoy something ins his trash ridden slum life in Karachi.)."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nThat's because they're not arab, they're mostly native levantine. Modern day arabs come from the south of the arabian peninsula and spread all over the middle east during the islamic conquests. Pre-islamic levantines look more european than arabs do."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\n>>22\n>>6\nRent free darktroon"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Al-Andalus had a multitude of achievements in arts\nSpain has produced painters great enough to dwarf the entire artistic achievement of Al-Andalus. Don Quixote alone is enough to dwarf its entire literary output."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>13\nReminds me of those eastern european criminals you see on the news in the Uk somewhat"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>Painters\ncouldn't mention a more usless thing."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nCervantes was jewish. Not a spaniard.\nTry again"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Al-Andalus had a multitude of achievements in arts and sciences[...]\n\nNOT MORE THAN THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY.\n\n\n>[...] so why did Christian Spain[...]\n\nAS IF THERE WAS, OR HAS BEEN, A «NONCHRISTIAN SPAIN»...\n\n\n>[...] never contribute anything relevant to science in the last 770 years?\n\n1. THE POLITICAL STATE OF SPAIN IS BARELY TWO HUNDRED YEARS OLD.\n\n2. SCIENCE IS NOT A CONTAINER INTO WHICH SOMEONE DEPOSITS SOMETHING AS CONTRIBUTION TO IT.\n\n3. SUBJECTS OF THE HISPANICAL MONARCHY INVENTED VACCINES; THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR; PERFECTED BOTANY; INVENTED ANTHROPOLOGY; MAPPED THE ENTIRETY OF THE EARTH FOR THE FIRST TIME; PERFECTED ASTRONOMY; PERFECTED THEOLOGY; TOOK LITERATURE, AND ARCHITECTURE, TO THEIR CVLMEN; PERFECTED MARITIME NAVIGATION, ET CETERA.\n\n4. IN SUM: HISPANOCATHOLICAL CIVILIZATION WAS THE APOGEE OF THE WORLD FROM THE LATE FIFTEENTH CENTURY TO THE EARLY NINETEENTH, WHILST EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF IT LIVED IN VIRTUAL BARBARITY, BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER, THAT PERIOD, AND THEIR DESCENDANTS, IN ONE MODE OR ANOTHER, STILL DO.\n\nYOUR ANTIHISPANICAL PATHOLOGIES DO NOT ALTER REALITY, NOR DO THEY CHANGE THE HISTORICAL FACTS."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nShut the fuck off me tally ill tranny chold groomer schizo"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nIf you're going to praise Al-Andalus for their contributions to the arts (which aren't really that great), you should praise Spain for their fantastic painting tradition.\nI can also come up with something more useless than painting, shitty neo-Aristotilean philosophy that came out of Al-Andalus."}, {"id": 32, "content": "What phenotype is this?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>INVENTED VACCINES\nInvented by jenner. A anglo\n>THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR\nIt came from romans. And iberians only stole the nayan one to fix it\n>PERFECTED BOTANY\nAl aldalus perfected it more\n>INVENTED ANTHROPOLOGY\nYou can't invent a field of study.\n>MAPPED THE ENTIRETY OF THE EARTH FOR THE FIRST TIME\nNo they didn't. Earth was only fully mapped with satellital images.\n>PERFECTED ASTRONOMY; PERFECTED THEOLOGY; TOOK LITERATURE, AND ARCHITECTURE, TO THEIR CVLMEN; PERFECTED MARITIME NAVIGATION,\nAll wrong and al aldalus did better"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did any other militaries utilize three stars in a wreath of gold to denote general officers other than the Confederacy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe cell I’m putting together to do combat during the Great Global Self Defense Scenario of 2042"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\nI meant besides weirdos like us"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nOh, idk then"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I think so\nSpent the past hour searching around and the closest I found was a Colombian Air Force badge.\nI don’t know where the symbol came from. Either they invented it or stole it from some state militia."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "China is collapsing"}, {"id": 2, "content": "xi has the mandate, as long as no rivers flood he's golden"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBut he had a meme plague already."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthe fact that everybody forgot about Covid so fucking fast proves Xi still has the mandate"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>does nothing\n>wins\nThe Mandate is real."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>memoryholed off the face of the earth\nwhat's the official narrative regarding covid now\nit still fucking exists so either the economy was more important and they don't give a shit about us dying OR it was never the deadly supervirus and they lied all along and everyone just tacitly accepts that"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwho watches these videos"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBoomers."}, {"id": 9, "content": "every day the bar for discussion on this board is lowered"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nThere's a new Variant Covid XXB I think.\n>the economy was more important and they don't give a shit about us\nThis mostly, but you also forget that the worlds top scientific minds dogpiled its resources in fighting it so the vaccines have mitigated its impact and the current virus kinda met us halfway to survive."}, {"id": 11, "content": "I want the CCP out but the exagerated clickbait is not helping. Peter Zeihan believes globalization is coming to an end and that China is going to collapse. That's too much. The worse I see China becoming is something like Argentina, not great, not terrible, the middle-income trap. However if Xi leaves it would kickstart the machine and the economy could start on a better footing after the real estate bubble burst. Still, India, Bangladesh and ASEAN will keep developing."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIve been watching china is collapsing now videos for years now. Good content. Wasted hours."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nPeter Zeihan and these geopolitical or market prognosticators are really like modern-day crystal ball readers. It's somewhat akin to religion in the sense that China is going to end in a \"doomsday\" scenario, but that's also mirrored to its opposite by people who are alienated from the Western system and think it's going to collapse into its own doomsday and then Xi will show up with the cavalry to save the day."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the purpose of life is to pass on your genes\nwhy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You bought the evolution myth"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho told you that?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">the genes\n>picrel"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI did. I told him that, and he's never been the same since."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nHermes Trismegistus made that same argument long before Darwin was ever around. He even went so far as to say that childless men would be tortured by Demons after death"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHe was a proto-atheist in disguise to avoid persecution."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou've obviously never read any of his works. He's about as far from an Atheist as you can get\nhttps://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/pym/index.htm"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nEvolution isn't teleological or normative. You're spouting nonsense."}, {"id": 10, "content": "I'm passing my genes into kleanix tissues and then down the toilet drain."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if perfect instructions for making a nuke were dropped down all over the world in various languages 1000 years ago?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if you weren't retarded?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "italian mognrels aren't white"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe probably wouldn't be having this thread as some unhinged monarch would have got mad that some guy didn't like his poem"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Americans vote for him over Taft and Theodore Roosevelt?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Teddy was being a retard and split the Republican vote, and we ended up stuck with this literal demon"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Wilson had refused to bring any leading Republican into the Paris talks, and back home he rejected a Republican compromise that would have allowed the Senate to ratify the Versailles Treaty and join the League.\n\nYa played yerself"}, {"id": 4, "content": "This election had only 52% turnout which was really low for the pre-19th Amendment era, suggesting it was less interesting to contemporary voters than modern historians."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThis was important; outside of the ongoing Mexican Revolution, there weren't any significant crises for the average voter to worry about, and the two front runners for the election were progressives with similar viewpoints. There's a reason that voter turnout jumped 9 points for the 1916 election."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoosevelt split the vote"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nHe probably felt the time was ripe for a new party system. The Republicans had a decent run of about 50 years at that point, pretty good for an American political party, longer than the Whigs or the Federalists. So if the paradigm was going to shift again, he might as well shift it himself."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIn truth Wilson was only elected because of the Republican split and he didn't usher in an era of sustained Democrat dominance like FDR did later. Each election cycle from 1914 to 1920 saw Republican strength in Congress increase--he barely won reelection in an incredibly close 1916 contest. It took the Great Depression to finally break 70 years of Republican dominance."}, {"id": 9, "content": "it usually takes a major political shift/revolution to break the dominance of one party in American politics.\n\n>Democratic-Republican/Democrat Party dominates from 1801 to 1860, broken by the Civil War\n>Republicans dominate from 1861 to 1930, broken by the Depression\n>Democrat dominance from 1933 to 1968 (or '94 depending on how you look at it), broken by the shitstorm of the late '60s\n>Republican dominance up to 2008, broken by the 08 recession"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">it’s peer-reviewed so it must be true!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You're not a doctor so it doesn't fucking matter if you blaspheme against the basedence"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts on William Westmoreland? Was he really as awful of a general as academia and the general public say he is, or is that complete bullshit as the guys on /k/ say? I'm interested to hear your takes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is this art style from the turn of the century called? It seemed to be very common."}, {"id": 2, "content": "A lot of it is oddly psychedelic in a way."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Art Nouveau"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nIT IS MODERNISTIC GRAPHICAL DESIGN; IT WAS CALLED DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does it seem that US history is filled with whites stealing the ideas of blacks, and not giving them any credit for it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What like... Armed robbery?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Because the whites that steal ideas from other whites don't get championed as a victim of race based collective injustice and go unnoticed."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Edison's 1879 bulb lasted for hours, not minutes\n>Latimer was working for a rival company to Edison so he had nothing to do with Edison's bulb.\n>Edison would hire Latimer a few years later to testify that his previous company had stolen Edison's patents because theirs (including Latimer's) weren't good enough to compete.\n>No evidence Latimer's patent was ever used to manufacture a better lightbulb or inspired later innovations."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Grow sweet grass.\n>Make silly big money\nDamn in feels good to be a sugar baron"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was food like in America before mass immigration?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Apple pies, raw corn and pemmican"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Go watch the Townsends channel on YouTube.\n\nhttps://youtube.com/@townsends"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVariations on Scottish and Anglo cuisine"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>2\nAnd o-orange f..heheHAH… ORANGE FOOLS!"}, {"id": 6, "content": "one jug of bathtub gin per day was standard"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDiet was based on pemmican and Orange fool"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The social changes we're witnessing aren't new or unique. They're the natural result of ideas unleashed during the french revolution. Philosophically, we haven't advanced past the 19th century and modern movements can only be compared to medieval writers mixing and mashing tiny elements of greek philosophy. Except instead of Christianity being the all-consuming status quo its liberal nationalism that labels any new worldview \"extremist\" the same way medieval scholars labeled new theology \"heretical\".\n\nCovid 19 was the gateway to an already laid out dark age of nuclear war and subterranean civilization with AI-empowered nobility disguising chattel slavery through\"freelancing\". Democracy, like in rome, will become a meaningless title to pretend the golden age of the world wars and 19th century revolutions never ended."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "mods are fags"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does God require a human sacrifice of himself to overturn the curse he put on everyone?\n\nWhere in the Old Testament does it say this is the plan?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Where in the Old Testament does it say this is the plan?\nIt's foreshadowed in the entirety of the Old Testament. If you really can't see it then you need to pray more attention."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Adam and Eve ate the fruit they found something out about… hehehe. Next, you see Cain and Abel offering sacrifices before God. You didn't catch it. No, you did not so I will say this. No man can take the curse upon humanity but God. No man could do it so since he wanted to do it right, he did it himself."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>pray more attention\n\nThere's not a single verse that foreshadows Jesus"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe did that because He can't be held by death, and He died after taking on Human nature, thus breaking death's hold on human nature through Him. He trampled down death by death and opened the doors to paradise where souls may be with the God of the living until the day of Resurrection, no longer captive to sheol."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Dunno but Mohammad is a scammer cult leader."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhere does it say this in the Bible?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause this god in question is an Abrahamic one. Swindling is his core business"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is where Gnosticism starts to make more sense"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n1 Cor. 15:21–22"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nActually sad."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was Jewish blood magic. That's it. The Old Testament was full of blood magics.\nJesus was supposed to be the new sacrificial Yom Kippur goat, which was what the whole parable of Jesus and Barabbas was about. Blood removing sins is a key part of Jewish beliefs."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nShow me, I will debunk every one of them."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nUsing my prophetic powers, he will reply to you with \"the Suffering Servant from Isaiah\" and \"something something proto-evangelum\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAre Jews and Christian's Moloch worshipers at heart?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnah he was just depressed about how badly he failed and i guess there's something where he can't kill himself in spirit so he had to symbolically/physically kill himself."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWell, no, because Moloch probably wasn't a deity at all. But that's besides the point. The REAL point is that Jewish blood magic ritual law basically said \"the more sacred the blood the more powerful the forgiveness\". Therefore, when God told Abraham, \"dont sacrifice Isaac, kill this ram instead\", he basically made a mistake (though Jews and Christians and Muslims would never admit this, that's the implication), and thus DID require a human sacrifice. But not any human would be sufficient due to Israel's sins, and so God sent his firstborn son (first CREATED being, but thats a whole other issue) to be the blood magic sacrifice.\n\nYawheh is a VERY blood-hungry God, just as much as any of the Aztec gods really."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How similar were early the Celts to the Germanics?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn what sense? Culture? Genetics? Clothing? The general answer is not more than the early slavs or early balts, well, it was regional rather."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCulture, genes etc"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho gave Sheamus a time machine?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Culture\nNot particullary more than, for instance, italics. They diverged quite a lot ago. Different social structure, different beliefs, different practices, some similitude in clothing maybe\n>genes\nRegional, celts in north france and northern germany were more similar to germanics, czech ones were in between, celts in the alpine, balkanite and mediterranean areas were more similar to south french, north Italians, etc. as mountains generally protect from nomadic invaders. Such as indoeuropeans\nLa tene cultural subset was alpine, but the first linguistic celts were likely Tumulus"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarly Germans and very early celts were both basically haplogroup I/r1b people with germans being proportionally more I1 and celts being more r1b. Germans stayed mostly r1b/I1 whereas celts became more mixed with U/e1b/G/I2/j2 etc as they expanded into western europe."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Celts were more individualistic and spiritual where Germanics were more collectivist and warlike.\n\n1 on 1 dueling and druids are defining characteristics of the celts."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You can't execute the active head of state legally."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\nhe didn't seem very \"active\" on that chopping block."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWell, the men who beheaded him had no legal right to do such a thing. OP asked if it was legal, it was not. Might does not make legal."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nif not might then what?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWords and reason. If we lower ourselves to such base concepts as might makes right then we are no better than beasts who fight each other for breeding rights."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Words and reason\nhow does \"reason\" assign any legal power to any monarch?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nLegal power exists only because of reason. I don't see animals understanding and obeying the law"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nnot an answer to the question I asked"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThe law states that the King had legal right to dissolve parliament and he did so. After doing so, the ex members of parliament held no authority. Even if it was legal to hold the King accountable to laws, which it was not, they could not condemn him. No one could for he could dismiss them from office and did."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHe was a dickhead but this was too much for my liking."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">accept Jesus Christ as my savior\n>the world starts to hate me\n\nJust as He said it would"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">accept mohammad as my leader and his god as my god\n>do so or get beheaded\n>do so and get 72 virgins with regenerating hymens, swelling breasts and translucent skin in jannah\n>unending erection in heaven for unlimited sex to the end of time and beyond\nFucking Slaaneshi fucks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI know this feel"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Christians have been acting like know it all cunts since the beginning\n>be surprised that the response is still the same"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe would hate you just as much if you jumped on 4chan to shill santa claus theories all fucking day.\nthe day draws near.\ni'm just glad you'll all willingly go to the gallows thinking you're doing the right thing. makes it easier for us. and less messy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church, your children will praise Christ"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I don't think they hate you because you are a christian, they hate you because you use christianity as an excuse to act like an ass"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nYou're not an epic crusader warrior. You are an acne ridden faggot terminally online 4chan. You've probably decided to \"find Christ\" as means of reaffirming your political beliefs and cultural preferences (how's that Crusader Kings campaign going?), not out of any genuine spiritual calling. Let me give you a mini-redpill. The Jews don't \"hate Jesus\" because it's the truth (it's not). They hate Jesus for the same reason Sunnis hate Shias. Petty Abrahamic bickering over who's right.\n>Were da chosen people!\n>Nuh uh! We are!\nLiteral soijaks arguing with each other. How gay is that?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come China never discovered the Americas despite being so close and already having the capabilities to sail the high seas? Zheng He sailed the Indian Ocean but that was just about the extent of it. If the Polynesians could go all the way to Hawaii then China certainly could too"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They were autistic."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The Ming Chinese reached the east coast of Africa, took one look at niggers, then immidiately went into isolation for the next 300 years. Damaging to their civilization, but understandable."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>despite being so close"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThey traded with East Africa retard"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>despite being so close\nNearest Chinese port that Ming actually controlled to the closest bit of the North American mainland is 5,660 km, and its in Alaska. The closest place in North America someone might want to actually colonize, Seattle, is 8,500 km from the nearest Ming port."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>The closest place in North America someone might want to actually colonize, Seattle,\nlet's not go crazy, here"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Good growing conditions\n>Natural protected harbor\n>plentiful lumber and fish\n>protected by mountains to the east\nIt's a pretty good spot to set up base if the Chinese were to colonize North America"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The Chinese were in America. Where do you think the American empires came from? Inca is close to the Pacific coast and so is Mesoamerica. Chinese settled them and founded the cities."}, {"id": 10, "content": "A better question is how no asian managed to colonize oceania or africa"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Because the Chinese were not colonisers, they were looking for trade partners. They didn't have an extracitivist or enslaving mentality, unlike the europeans or later the Japanese. The Spanish and Portugese were out to divide the world as soon as Columbus first voyage."}, {"id": 12, "content": "They lacked the Faustian spirit"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhat is the Faustian spirit and can I have sex with it?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did not have \"The ability to sail the high seas\" , at least in the way you describe. People like to post that meme image of that big Chines ship next to one of Columbus's comparatively small ones, but neglect the fact that Chines ship is designed for calm waters always relatively near the coast, whereas the kind of ships Columbus sailed in were actually technologically the most advanced ever built at the time and the only large craft capable of crossing uncharted open ocean. That ship in your pic has fucking square sails and a flat front for gods sake."}, {"id": 15, "content": "There's hundreds if not thousands of stories of people l, of entire fleets sailing to the Pacific or to the Atlantic before 1492 and never returned. Where so you think they went? A few certainly sank in the seas but a reasonable amount also must have made it to America. The Chinese absolutely were in America and founded empires there, even if it sounds unbelievable."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nBut why? Whay the hell would you build cities, that don't look like your own, give them to local oagans who sacrifice people, and then oiss off? How the hell would you even pull that off in the small time frame beween Zheng He's voyages and the Spanish arival in Mexico? Also, wouldn't there have been very clear evidence of Chinese activity in the area?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nPalenque"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nApart from Mansa Musa's brother's there aren't any.\n\nThere's Ali Idrisi but it seems that they just made it to the Canaries, assuming it's a true story"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nRead Marco Polo"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Was Ming fleet even sailing high seas or were they even capable of making a journey to America? Afaik the records of their expedition only have them sticking to coasts or using old trade routes in Indian Ocean."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nI did, he makes no mention of Trans- Pacific/Atlantic voyages"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>despite being so close\nAmericans in charge of geography."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nAlaska and North Western America is not that far doe. Even Siberians North of China kept going back and forth."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>despite being so close\nThe fuck? China to California is literally twice the distance as Spain to Caribbeans.\n>Zheng He sailed the Indian Ocean\nMeaningless achievement. Going a long distance harbour to harbour means fuck all compared to crossing an ocean.\nMight as well ask why the romans or celts didn't discover America since they already sailed in the Atlantic all the time.\n>polynesians\nThey're a special circumstance. Their whole culture revolved around island hopping and colonizing specks of land nobody else would have bothered with.\nThey've managed amazing feats of sailing given their tech, but they didn't cross the pacific in one go, and without the benefit of hindsight establishing naval bases on tiny atolls all through the pacific would have been a retarded waste of resources for the chinks."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>why the romans or celts didn't discover America since they\nAtlantic was very treacherous and Roman ships weren't all that good. Chinese ships in the Ming era were huge and the Pacific isn't all that hard to sail. They certainly could cross the ocean if they really tried to"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>the Pacific isn't all that hard to sail\nlol\n\nlmao even."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIf stone age Polynesians could, then just about any major civilization could"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Greco-Romans inhabiting Egypt also used the moonson winds to sail the Indian Ocean, so did the Indians, Arabs, Austronesians and Persians. That doesn't mean much"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nzheng was following trade routes for the sake of diplomacy, his main goal was to inform the rest of the world that the yongle emperor (a usurper) was the proper ruler of china, he wasn't out there to discover anything"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>21\nNot explicitly"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was a class struggle between land owning nobility and merchant class. The nobility won, trade was restricted and Chinese navy was defunded."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How come China never discovered the Americas\nBecause the Chinese already had everything they needed. Why should they waste time and resources sailing off to bumfuck nowhere? The reason why Europeans went to the Atlantic is because they wanted to find India which they were cut off from."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\n> mainly against Chinese pirates\nHmmm"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>24\nRoman amphorae underwater in Brazil: Let us introduce ourselves"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>despite being so close\nAmerican education"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>13\nit's a hispol meme"}, {"id": 37, "content": "you could say Zheng He didn't have the balls to cross the pacific"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>underwater\nKey word here. A sail powered ship blown big time off course and sunk near the brazilian coast is not exactly the same as purposefully trying to cross an ocean to see what's on the other side and establish enduring connections."}, {"id": 39, "content": "Imperial isolatinoist autism\n>>37\nkek"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt took Europeans until the late 1400s to sail around Africa reliably, and even then it was extremely dangerous with high casualty rates. You expect the mildly inferior chinese tech to sail across the entire asian coastline, then around africa, and discover Europe by sea? Even if they could, why? They went to the east coast ofAfrica, and nothing there was really interesting to them and that was really the limit of their naval range."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>They went to the east coast ofAfrica, and nothing there was really interesting to them\nKinda weird considering just 50 years after Zheng He's voyages the arabs made the area into an emporium that exported tons of shit from inland Africa to all of Asia.\nMakes you wonder whether the expeditions were cut short because he proved to be incompetent at starting trade and diplmomatic connections rather than anything else. After all, the sino-arab trade was already a thing since the Tang, Yongle only wanted to strengthen it rather than create it out of nothing."}, {"id": 42, "content": "There is some minor evidence they may have hit New Zealand due to Maori having some chinese bowls and utensils from and such, the Ming era, though at they might have brought them with them from Polynesian islands.\nAlso Aboriginals at the very north of Australia had Chinese coins and beads and stuff."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nIndonesian traders occasionally venturing south-east isn't really all that miraculous considering the puny distances in the region between islands."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>despite being so close and already having the capabilities to sail the high seas?\nneither of those are true\nthe distance between China and California is twice the distance between England and Massachusetts, and Chinese naval technology was never meant to sail in open water more than a few dozens of miles from shore"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>36\n>t. Infertile, historyless man of the megalopolitan world-city"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey definitely crossed the entirety of all the major oceans around them, but they used small rafts instead of ships. And they race-shifted into blasians by the end of the process"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nThere was a three shipwrecked Japanese boat once in America l."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>3\nNot only did they trade with East Africans for hundreds of years, some of them were shipwrecked off an island and married into the local population."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nI have no idea how the Polynesians got PAPUA'd but it happened. and somehow the islands closer to Papua got the worst of it.\nMy theory of the subject is\nA: Papuan sea people of some sort\nB: The less Melanesian ran sailed further an essentially self-segregated. Because its crazy how different the people of fiji and tonga are."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>29\n>he wasn't out there to discover anything\nHe partly was. Part of his mission was to find out what's beyond Egypt/Arabian Peninsula.\n\n>>12\n>They lacked the Faustian spirit\nPROTIP: Europeans did not discover the Americans because they saw a blank spot in the map and went \"what's out there?\" They wanted to find alternate trading routes to Asia- a destination they already knew- and accidentally found the Americas.\n\nNobody sails to somewhere without knowing their destination at the end. Especially medievalfaggots in rickety ships with limited supplies. If some major civilization existed in Alaska and was known to China via trade links then they might have, but there's no civilization up there, so Changs didn't bother sailing north past Japan."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristopher Colombus was a jew and they really thought they were searching for zion.\nFor people who say I'm bullshitting, why did Christopher use Hebrew symbols in messages intended only for his son and literally no-one else?\nAlso a DNA test was done on Colombus and the researchers refuse to release the results after doing the testing with one leak saying he was jewish."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nYou lack the Faustian spirit"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nBased, another win for the jews"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nHonestly I'm not hating. I just hate how this is never treated like a serious possibility even though there's so much evidence pointing towards it."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nlearned people have always been into the occult faggot."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>14\nYou do know that junks have crossed the pacific and atlantic oceans in the 1800s and 1900s right? And these were the same old Ming style ships since the Qing arent exactly naval innovators.\n\nOne voyage was even made to test that particular theory (Chinese reaching Americas on a period accurate Ming junk)."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nWhat are you responding too?\nIs your argument the only learned person Columbus knew was his own son? And he even didn't add his hebrew symbols to a letter to his son that he knew would be read in public"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSailing the high seas is incredibly risky. Junks had a sturdy hull, but they are designed for economical freight hugging the coast, which is how Zheng He achieved his distances, not voyages across the ocean or along coasts with few opportunities to restock food and fresh water. A big difference was the rigging, European ships had several large sails made of linen whereas the Junk rig typically had strips of canvas joined by horizontal battens. Another difference was navigation, when the Jesuits were allowed in China, they were pit against Muslim astronomers to predict an eclipse, which the Jesuits succeeded in doing where the Muslims failed. Chinese astronomy was thus behind the European renaissance even in this late period.\n\nThe caravel was a very maneuverable ship that could sail against the wind and its ample rigging meant it could sustain a decent speed and cut down on journey times before the crew died of scurvy. The Junk however would have been a death sentence for crews at the time, it is physically possible to sail the Pacific, such as pic related, but only with modern navigation, modern food and water, and you will notice a sail is a regular sailcloth and the large sail also appears to be a sailcloth despite the battens."}, {"id": 59, "content": "He was a great Chinese explorer, and on this board Zheng He is a hero! End of story."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo initiative to travel that far"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\n>Muh flatbottomed coast huggers.\n\nThere's multiple types of Junks nigga. Its just that nobody builds seagoing junks nowadays and all that remains with local craftsmen are the flatbottomed ships that boatpeople minorities like the Tanka make."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hey Protestants.\n\nWhere does the Bible say...\n>that you should build Churches\n>that you have to go to Church\n>that you should celebrate Easter\n>what day to celebrate Easter\n>that you have to be Baptized in water to be saved\n>that you can't be Baptized more than once\n>that your soul is still alive after you die\n>that you should celebrate Christmas\n>that Jesus' birthday was on December 25\n>that you should rest on Sunday\n>that God is a Holy Trinity\n>that God is one nature in three persons\n>that there are 66 books in the Bible\n>that you can only believe things that are written in the Bible\n>that you have to get married in a Church by a priest\n>that you are allowed to get divorced\n>that you are allowed to use birth control\n>that you have to partake of the Lord's Supper\n>that the Lord's Supper becomes the body and blood of Christ\n>that crosses are allowed to be displayed in Churches\n>that you no longer have to observe the Sabbath\n>that you have to tithe 10% to your Church\n>that you have to read the Bible\n>that you should translate the Bible into English\n>that you may privately interpret the Bible\n>that you have to pray\n>that you have to do any good works\n>that you still have to follow the 10 Commandments\n>that you have to apologize to anyone other than God\n>that everyone is guilty of original sin\n>that you have free will\n>that you cannot lose your salvation\n>that Jesus was fully God and fully man\n>that Mary was a Virgin"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere does it say catholic priests are allowed to rape children?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "bait"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHow is it bait?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIt says so on my dick. You will understand once you swallow it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthe implication is that protestants contradict their doctrine by believing and practicing things not expressly defined in scripture.\nSola scriptura does not carry this meaning. It means scripture is the only infallible authority.\n\nScripture is norma normans non normata"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSo it's OK to believe things that are not in the Bible under Sola Scriptura?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYes"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhere does it say that in the Bible?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>>5\n>It says so on my dick. You will understand once you swallow it.\nProtestants everyone."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYou are an Anglican, are you not? You would be in the minority and have a sense of sacred tradition yourselves."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHe's a Dirkregationalist."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>the implication is that protestants contradict their doctrine by believing and practicing things not expressly defined in scripture\n“Expressly” defined? More like anywhere defined.\n\nEaster has less scriptural support than the perpetual virginity."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Sola Scriptura means that the ONLY authority of the church is the written word.\nThat doesn't jive with catholics"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYes, because Catholics are evil, not because your idea is self-refuting and ahistorical or anything"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nWhy do Catholics think idol worship is ok?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWhy do you?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts about Mughal aesthetics?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not bad but not exceptional"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any historical examples of a decadent empire in decline being overthrown by a group of scrappy youngsters?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nR>B>C>I>S\nalso sex(o)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nB: Concubine - if she is Pardo or Branco; Maid - if she is Afro-Brazilian.\nR: Wife\nI: Concubine - if she is Aryan; Maid - if she is Dravidian.\nC: Wife - if she is Northern Chinese; Concubine - if she is Southern Chinese\nS: Maid"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrancoist Spain\nAlso source?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nlold"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did they found civilization and why did they leave us?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "look at society, I'd leave us too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbald jews very much still exist"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDesertification got them... I like their art style"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why did God ask God if he has forsaken him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was quoting Psalm 22"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhe was greentexting while being nailed to a cross?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was Jesus asking the Father"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDelightful kitten"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Because he really thought he was the son of God of Israel.\nWe can debate for eternity if he was or he wasnt, because people think lots of things of themselves."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is there so much moralfaggotry surrounding this topic? I get it, it's a taboo topic. But can we talk about it rationally?\n\nHebephilia is defined as attraction to pubescent girls. Girls generally start puberty around 12 or so, but it's more about their sexual development tham age. It is completely normal and natural among men to be attracted to girls who are starting puberty. Statistics repeatedly show that girls start becoming attractive to men around this age. I'm not even saying that's when they're the most attractive or in their \"prime\". The same statistics show that attractiveness to men peaks around 19 or 20. This is why most cultures before modern times considered girls old enough to marry once they began sexual development (even if the didn't typically marry at that age).\n\nThis however does NOT mean that it's okay to have sex with and/or marry girls this young. Obviously they're still children and cannot consent to something like that. But attraction, in and of itself, is completely normal and natural. I'm don't know why people pretend it's not. They get emotional and act disgusted because they've been conditioned to do so by our modern culture. Moralfaggots will seethe but it's the truth."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Of course it is thats why in most countries age of conscent is around 15"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">But can we talk about it rationally?\ntotal pedo death is the only logical option"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust accept that its a social taboo. No need to talk about taboos unless its to break them"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGroomers like OP should be castrated. Chang my mind"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Right wing is social darwinism.\nLeft wing is social leninism.\nOnce you understand that, you can resolve the inner contradictions of the two respective wings.\nLibertarianism is economic darwinism. Fascism is bio-darwinism.\nCommunism is economic leninism. Pink capitalism is bio-leninism."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">muh left right dichotomy\nI hate you and all the slaves that peddle this shit. You are goycattle waving around your little flags of your \"Team\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn't the European Crusader intermingled with women from their occupied territory?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you telling me no crusader ever had sex?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did. This is literally how Lebanese, Spaniards, and Sicilians were born."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNope they never got laid"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOutremer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this an accurate view of History?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nViolence is a given. Only sheltered losers who play video games all day dwell on it, however."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Its only religion for the most part on this board\nOk religion had important part in the past giving people moral compas, partially helped enforce laws, civilised pagans and most importantly gave soilders high morale and chance for afterlife\nBut why tf are you only sperging about it here wouldnt it be more fun to discuss various wars and advancements people made"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npeople aren't here to discuss the history behind religion, they only talk about religion as an excuse to shill their political beliefs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why “take care” of plants? Unlike domesticated animals, plants can take care of themselves. Why do “caring” people possess god-complexes?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don’t mean normie shit like denying the Holocaust, Japanese war crimes, etc. I mean weird stuff like denying the Black Death, alternative chronology, or the Battle of Stalingrad (like that one guy keeps claiming on here)."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere is that claim charlemagne was just a fabrication by the church, but thats probably part of the alternative chronology you mentioned"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>denying the Black Death\nRundown?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Hagarism and Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam Crone denies the traditional Muhammad narrative and proposes a version where Petra was Muhammad's base of operation and Abu Bakr is fictitious. Her research is actually really good but her claims are unwarranted."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I've heard that smallpox crap is fake and that his is a retard board and also gdp = tourism\nAlso, the world flooded and that's why there's so many buried windows"}, {"id": 6, "content": "black history denial despite photo evidence"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Middle Ages is made up and modernity came right after antiquity"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwow hd skingrad looks awesome"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRedpill time.\n\nAll of history is fake. We are living in the era after the millenium rule of Christ described in the Bible. There were no World Wars, but there was a singular World War. It happened in the late 1950s, not the 10s or 40s.\n\nHitler, Napoleon, and Charlemagne are all fake characters based off of one real historical person: the King of the North. In the 1940s the world was still ruled by kings; the kings of old. But a worldwide conspiracy of satanists, who had gotten close to the kings by becoming (((palace eunuchs))), overthrew and executed the kings and took over the world. Well, all except for one king: the King of the North. He survived the plots and his kingdon remained free. So the eunuchs, now in control over the rest of the worlds armies, waged war on the King of the North. This is what we remember as the “World Wars”.\n\nAfter the Eunuch takeover and during the “world war”, there was a worldwide popular uprising by the peoples against the satanist eunuchs. The eunuchs won the war and conquered the King of the North, and successfully put down the rebellions. In the wake of their victory they slaughtered the civilian populations, and hunted down and killed every single last adult who opposed them. That’s why in old black-and-white pictures you see so many orphans. Survivors dare not tell the truth of this episode leat they be gangstalked and hunted down as well. Pretty much only the cuck goodgoys survived anyway. Boomers are the orphans in the old photographs. Many of their parents are (((fake actors))).\n\nI’ve given you the knowledge. I’ve set you free."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nBut why? Nobody tries to hide that Dumas or Pushkin were black."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Shakespeare era\n>photography\nretarded"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nCorrect. That’s why so many events seem like repetitions\n>mongols do exactly what the huns did\n>teehee well thats just a cohencidence okay goyim? They’re le steppe nomads!"}, {"id": 13, "content": "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n19th century has a fake timetable. Much of the 19th century never happened. Napoleon III is a copy of Napoleon I."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>>13\n>>12\n>>7\npseud."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nSecond to last one here, I dont believe it, OP just asked for conspiracy theories and I gave him one."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nPatricia Crone actually didnt proposed Petra hypothesis, instead she claims Islam actually rose as a political system of Arabs rather than a religion made Arabs united."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere's a guy saying there was no muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo mention of Ashkenazis older than 200 years, and rare until WW2."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nNeither Dumas nor Pushkin were black in any way that mattered. Do you think Russians view Pushkin as black? lmao."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nDumas was 1/4 black and Pushkin 1/8."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome Hungarians deny their Finno-Ugric origins and believe that they are descended from Mongols despite having no evidence support it. Some Poles believe that Poland had a huge empire before it was Christianized and that Poles were worshiped as gods by the people they conquered. The say that the Semitic world for \"God\", \"Allah\" comes from \"Lach\" which is another way to pronounce \"Lech\", the name of the mythical protoplast of Poles, also used to refer to Poles as a whole in plural. Jesus was also a Pole because \"-lehem\" in \"Bethlehem\" comes from the same word. The believe that Poles fought Alexander the Great, Caesar and other Roman commanders in a series of inconclusive wars. That is because they interpret the writings of Polish historian Wincenty Kadłubek literally, whereas it's much more likely that they were meant as an allegory (common in medieval times) and that he himself knew that the first half of it was fictional. In this version of Polish history, Mieszko is not the beginning but an end of sorts: he ruined the empire by becoming a vassal of the pope in Dagome iudex because he was too naive."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nHaving the genetic material in your body doesn't mean you qualify as a member of a given tribe, ethnicity or culture."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>10\nlikely to undermine the talents of black people to uphold the narrative of black people being idiotic and incompetent."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\nYou racist"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nIf you believe in the phantom time hypothesis mentioned above, none of the Islamic conquests past Iraq happened."}, {"id": 27, "content": "The Russian New Chronology"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>4\nSo whose burried in Medina then?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo me it is extremely odd to justify certain decisions as uniquely related to cultural and superiority of factors as opposed to the more rational explanation of money, cost of time or materials and resources.\nYou can explain almost everything regarding culture or anthropology of a society this way.\nIt really gets to me when it comes to gastronomic tastes.\n>why does British/french/German cuisine have xyz characteristics and Italian/Greek/Portuguese have other characteristics ?\n>because they some were rich and the others were poor. It’s really that simple, which is why bread is so important in Italy/France/Portugal but not in Germany/Britain/Greece\n\nBut instead they’ll claim it is because our bread is so much better than all those other people. No it’s because you had fuck all else to eat."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">Man Eating Myth\n1979 book that denied cannibalism ever existed in any culture except in cases of famine. Part of the 'all evidence I don't like must be fake' school of thought.\n\n>Did Marco Polo Go to China?\n1995 book claims that Marco Polo learned everything about China from merchants in Constantinople and the Black Sea, based on the fact that he doesn't mention the Great Wall or footbinding. The premise doesn't make any sense because it only shifts the question of these omissions from Polo to his supposed informants, and otherwise the descriptions of places like Hangzhou and Yunnan are impossibly detailed for someone who was just repeating hearsay. It's probably true that Polo exaggerated his importance in China though.\n\n>African human sacrifice\nNot as big as the other two but I've encountered this with some academics, where they'll claim that human sacrifices in Africa were all just criminals being executed in spite of dozens of accounts to the contrary."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Charlemagne was abyssinian"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have 2 a normie one and a strange one\n>Normie Italian Genocide:\nIn Italy every 10th of february, it's a day of remembrance \"Il giorno delle Foibe/The dya of the Foibe\" which was a 1950 italian genocide in Jugoslavic land, Slavs declare to this day they never done it and if they done it they killed only fascist that were hiding in Jugoslavia because the war is ended and now fascist are a problem and were only 300 people they killed they declared, while for us italians from the Census and eye witnesses, it's belived they killed more than 10000 Italians for the only crime of beign italian, even here in italy came the leftist propaganda of \"They only killed fascist they deserved it\", all of this because Tito and the UN had a pact \"If in your territories there are more slavs than italians you can keep the land, so he started a genocide campaign. Everytime Italy bring this story everyone in the world ignores them and say \"Grow Up, it's in the past\" (the story is more complicated than that but IG is this)\n\n>Strange one: The IQ of the past\nMany people belive that in the past people were more dumb or stupid, like \"If i go to the medieval times for sure I can become a king and bring humanity in the right directions, because they're dumb\" stuff like that, in reality people were as smart as today, just a different type of education occoured in the past, not everyone like in the modern world could learn math, read or learn phylosphy it was only for a few but IG people were equally smart, I mean yeah with hindsight we can be \"Smarter\" than a medieval farmer, but do you know how to maintain a field? How to know the seasons or the hours by looking at the sky? These are more like lost knowledge but what I mean is that just a different type of people with different goods and means other than education."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Many people belive that in the past people were more dumb or stupid,\nThey absolutely were, people got stupid when there was no lead in diet. At least between the fall of Rome and the Black death they probably were stupid as fuck. They would more likely burn you at a stake or sonething like that for some schizo reason."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsrael and Turkey deny the Armenian genocide."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">charliemagne didn't exist\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\n>Not as big as the other two but I've encountered this with some academics, where they'll claim that human sacrifices in Africa were all just criminals being executed in spite of dozens of accounts to the contrary.\nA big reason for believing this is that slaves came from buying out those."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nin the case of medieval Europe you're totally right, since the introduction of christianity destroyed the old cultural ideas, like banning even cleaning your body or change of diet, an example, in the roman period even a slave could live off to live a life till 35 yo IG, but in medieval times a normal farmer could live up to 20yo, because of the change in hygene practice, since christianity banned and destroyed old roman baths because cleaning the body is cleaning the sin, or the diet, in roman times honey, fruits vegetables and more were frequently eaten by everyone while with the advent of christianity it all changed to a flour based diet, everyone ate porrige/polenta or bread, sometimes with cheese and fruits but this lack of diet created in fact the basis of the black death since the flour at the time got cheaper while meat and animal derivatives (cheese, milk butter etc etc) were becoming expensive, because of a change in economy, since they were cutting more trees and creating more free land and notice dthat animals weren't breed like before, wheat was everywhere while meat it was rare so the change in diet created a immune system that was weak, because the basic farmer diet was comprised of bread (Yeah I know people ate other stuff but at that specific time a lot of little things happened in europe and changed a lot of things that seems stupid but in reality gave a big impact) or the control of the church in every way of life, universities were only for priest or rich nobles, education wasn't for everyone even simple math. Looking at the innards of a body could mean necromancy and shit like that. While in the middle east you can see a second reinasance, I mean they started translating greek text in arab so they were rediscovering Hygene, fruit and vegetable based diet, medicine, math and philosophy that's why people say \"The middle east in the past were more advanced than Europe\"."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>14\nNappy III was really different from his uncle"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>23\nBlack isn't a tribe, ethnicity or culture, its a race"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>since the introduction of christianity destroyed the old cultural ideas, like banning even cleaning your body\nWhat's the proof that they banned cleaning yourself?\nSounds like a bullshit claim."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDenying the Holocaust isn't normie shit."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>What's the proof that they banned cleaning yourself?\n>Sounds like a bullshit claim.\nYeah you're right gave alook and was a myth, but the hygene still was lost, old roman bath houses couldn't be repaired or maintened and were closed, but lords and rich people could bath regullary with real soap in tehir own private bath, while the poor farmer couldn't wash his body reguallary, the hygene was still there but not like today, people used a lot of water herbs and ashes(there are still soap made with ashes and animal fats still today)."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\n>the change in diet created a immune system that was weak,\nIt was because the lack of lead since the late Roman times. It also causes some sort of AIDS, aside from making people stupid. The Black death likely finely cleaned it up, so that a recovery could begin.\n>While in the middle east you can see a second reinasance\nPossibly because of Muhammad and his ithmid use (which is actually lead sulfide, not antimony). Not sure what makes it a \"second\" renaissance.\nOther examples are the victorian times and meiji restoration, bkth likely triggered by cerusite."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot exactly obscure but AIDS denial is interesting.\n\nIt was/is popular in the faggot community and Africa. I’ll never understand why.\n\n>Public health researchers have attributed 330,000 to 340,000 AIDS-related deaths, along with 171,000 other HIV infections and 35,000 infant HIV infections, to the South African government's former embrace of HIV/AIDS denialism."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>the poor farmer couldn't wash his body reguallary,\nThey probably just washed with a jug of water and a bowl."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>10\nBritishers and Americans are uniquely racist."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>39\nAnd going by race, both Dumas and Pushkin were overwhelmingly white. Most quadroons, and every single octoroon, is indistinguishable from any other white person."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nYou need to talk to some ethnics anon. Chinks say shit about niggers that’d make the KKK blush"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>20\nBoth Dumas and Pushkin were the same person."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>37\nSounds like bullshit that contradicts baptism."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>dumas\n>overwhelmingly white\nYou can see his black features lmao. He looks like a nafri"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've heard people claim the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan were incendiary bombs and not actual nuclear weapons"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>44\nIt wasn't well understood when it first came around and it may have been around longer than first recorded. First it was mostly fags, but then the media went full retard by claiming only fags could get it. In Africa, well most people are superstitious retards who think the common cold is caused by spirits."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHeraclius didn't win the final Roman-Sassanid war. He didn't take back the Levant, only to lose the same chunk of land again after Arabs showed up. The Caliphate was a splintering of Persian authority, not a new kid on the block."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>44\nAfrica and Russia literally have different definitions and criteria for diagnosing someone with AIDS (Africa does it to get more gibs). American AIDS =/= African AIDS."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nYou sure? Maybe just people saying the fire bombs over Tokyo killed more than the nukes"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nThat's what they alleged. I think the overarching theory is that nukes in general aren't real."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nAh, cool"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>30\n\nI've been to Greece multiple times and can decribe it in detail but would never mention the Acropolis because I've never been to Athens. Do people actual think him not mentioning the Great Wall proves anything other than he didn't personally visit it?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Roman Kingdom didn't exist, it was a fantasy developed by the Republic as a founding myth to justify its own political institutions."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>30\n>>59\nIt would be VERY suspicious if he mentioned the Great Wall, since it didn't stand yet."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>9\nThis is the most schizo thing I've ever heard in my life."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nWell all the fantasy and the stories around all the kings is just mythos, but I believe a kingdom turning into a republic is more likely than a republic being made from the ground-up"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>37\nthe Bible is very clear that you can expect to live for seventy or eighty years. it also warns about sorcerors using pharmaceuticals to fuck you up. all \"expert\" claims about historical life expectancy compared to the present are fake and gay bullshit written by Jews paid by the Rockefellers so they can shill you vax -scenes and socialist healthcare"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>18\nThis one is correct. Islam spread through the visigoth monarchy converting, not vi conquest."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>37\nReddit: the post"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>61\nWhat\nWhen do you think it was built kek"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n15th-17th century, the older ones are far less impressive and had no importance in Marco Polo's time."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSaw some pajeet ok Twitter say that one of the Indian states (I think the one fought Alexander) conquered all the way to Morocco. Not sure if that counts."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n*on Twitter"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">Metternich was the protohitler but no one villifies him in media like the Fuhrer"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>14\nNapoleon I set latam free, Napoleon III tried to colonize it"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>47\nwhat terrible bait is this? both dumas and pushkin were very apparently admixed"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDenying Japanese internment camps"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nThat’s the (((historians))) excuse for the similarities, yes."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>30\n>he doesn't mention the Great Wall\n\nWasn't the Great Wall of the Yuan dynasty a miserable thing compared to the one we have now built by the Ming dynasty?"}, {"id": 77, "content": "Australia had the History Wars throughout the 1990s and 00s where the Neocons in power basically tried to rewrite Australian history between Aboriginal Australia and White Australia to some hallmark movie version of Thanksgiving.\nAnother weird one is Gallipoli, the denial is the \"official narrative\" of the first day, and the denial is actually the reality, the official narrative is basically a made up National propaganda myth. Forces until attaturk turned up only faced around 70 Turks in the entire region and they dug in without going for objectives, either because they were conscripts and got spooked, or someone gave them orders too, nobody is sure which.\nThe official narrative is that Australians faced like 50,000 turks and Australian troops fought them with knives and bayonets and only dug in due to Attaturks arrival bringing just too many roaches for Australian's to slice their way through."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a schizo on here who denies gay people existed before the 50s and were the result of some gay bomb"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think Ptolemy incest was at least to some extent fake. I believe it started with Ptolemy the 2nd who married his sister after being married with another woman and then they've just pretended Ptolemy III wasn't born out of the previous marriage. Ptolemies until the end were surrounded by Greeks and Macedonians in their court so I'd give 95% chance that the brother sister marriages weren't consumed and they just pretended that the queen is pregnant(and hid her from the public during it) while irl the real wife of the Pharaoh was giving birth. Maybe at some point they've started being serious about it but I doubt it. As such they did get the recognition from the Egyptian plebs for maintaining their traditions while not infuriating their courts with this practice."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>72\n>Napoleon I set latam free\nAs an accidental side effect of trying to replace the king of Spain\n\n>Napoleon III tried to colonize it\nSpain was already a French puppet in Napoleon III's era, so he had to go for bootleg Spain in order to imitate his uncle in starting a costly guerrilla war by trying to install a ruler in a spanish-speaking brown shithole"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>32\n>Many people belive that in the past people were more dumb or stupid, like \"If i go to the medieval times for sure I can become a king and bring humanity in the right directions, because they're dumb\" stuff like that, in reality people were as smart as today, just a different type of education occoured in the past, not everyone like in the modern world could learn math, read or learn phylosphy it was only for a few but IG people were equally smart, I mean yeah with hindsight we can be \"Smarter\" than a medieval farmer, but do you know how to maintain a field? How to know the seasons or the hours by looking at the sky? These are more like lost knowledge but what I mean is that just a different type of people with different goods and means other than education.\nWe know that the g factor peaked around 1790 or something like that, we're getting progressively dumber ever since. There are also hints for some fluctuations in historical IQ levels(for instance pre-mycenean Greeks had IQ in mid 80's,\nearly myceneans around 105 and then it started to drop until it slowly started rising again during the dark ages) but because it's difficult to study this topic without ending up cancelled we don't know for sure."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>There are also hints for some fluctuations in historical IQ levels(for instance pre-mycenean Greeks had IQ in mid 80's,\nHow could you possibly know that? We don't even know what language they spoke."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nWe have their DNA."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nWe also have the DNA of people from the 1900's, yet their IQ was 30 points lower, while their culture suggests that they were far more intelligent than us."}, {"id": 85, "content": "People still deny the ancient Hwanguk existed. While it might not have stretched all the way to Europe, it absolutely dominated China according to the ancient Samguk Yusa texts and backed up by the fact the Chinese know it as the Huang empire."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>62\n>hearing things that are typed down\nuhhh schizobros? how do we defend this?"}, {"id": 87, "content": "That the natives of the Great Plains (Lakota etc) have always had horses."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nTheir g was higher, which can be seen both when you look at test results and indirect measurements(reaction time, word count etc.), that they weren't taught to do well on IQ tests is irrelevant."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany Balkan nationalists deny that their people migrated to the Balkans, instead claiming the legacy of ancient tribes and polities of the area. As a general rule of thumb, the more fucked up a country is, the more popular these ancient autochtonous theories are. In Albania larping and wewuzzing in state-sponsored, and until relatively recently it was the same case in North Macedonia."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>78\n>the result of some gay bomb\n\nthis one might actually be real, anon\n\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>81\nEdward Dutton?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>88\n>word count\nWoodley of menie? The research based on the frequencies of 4 WORDSUM words?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLast Thursday-ism is more like a philosophical though experiment but it states that entire world, including our memories of it, were created Last Thursday. The idea being that all the evidence of things having happened before or indicating things lasting longer might have been created along with the world and there isn't anyway we could tell the difference."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>67\nThe Ming made the \"modern\" great wall and they came after the Mongol Yuan that Marco Polo supposedly served. Of course the mind were just connected lots of preexisting shorter walls but mentioned that northern china had many disconnected border fortifications scattered about wouldn't be as impressive as saying they were all connected.\n\nThe great wall is actually too long to be fully appreciated (except from space, but you can't see it from space unlike the meme, but I imagine the concept of claiming this might come from that) many border fortifications that are much shorter might extend well beyond the range someone could see without that implying it went anywhere. You can't actually see that far. Calgary is approximately how far away one can be from the Rock mountains and still see the peaks, and that is just over a 100km from Banff. That being the ideal situation. For most situations you would be able to see far less than 100 km in either direction, so it would be impossible to know that a fortification extended an entire border unless your guides told you this as a \"fun fact\". Seeing as how the fortifications did not extend for the entire length of the border he might have passed by some border fortifications and not thought much of them because they were easy to go around pre-ming."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>71\nI'm pretty sure Hitler hated Metternich because one of his chief goals would have been to stop German Unification."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>77\nHow the fuck was Australia in a war with Turkey"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>unknown\nAustralians are literally in the running with Belarus in being the biggest cucks in the world.\nEvery war they have been in has been on behalf of fighting at the front for either the US or British."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestoids and sunnis pretending that shi'ism wasnt a thing in iran until the safavids"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>32\n>but do you know how to maintain a field? How to know the seasons or the hours by looking at the sky?\nintelligence and knowledge are very different things. there's no reason people should have been less intelligent back then, but specializations don't prove it."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">in the middle ages people in europe walked differently than today, they put down their forefoot first, not the heel as today.\nthis was quite popular in the 1990s/200Xs"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nthey probably did..."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>89\nThe Turkish government does this with linguistics. It gives out grants to cranks to \"prove\" that modern Turkish is the ancestor of [insert language of choice here].\n\nAnyways, I'll bring up Out Of India. While it's well known on 4chan, it's not well known outside of right wing internet circles."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>77\n>Neocons in power basically tried to rewrite Australian history between Aboriginal Australia and White Australia to some hallmark movie version of Thanksgiving.\nTry not being an Americanised faggot."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>96\nww1\ncannon fodder for britain"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy current favorite I’ve been hearing about is ‘Tartaria’ which essentially postulates that the New World was already here in it’s entirety and migrants simply moved into the skyscrapers, courthouses etc and modified all of history to cover up what “really” happened."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDenying 9/11 was a simple aviation accident played up by the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld gang to create an imperial presidency and attack the federal governments last obstacles in their path for global hegemony."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>22\nI have so much crazy shit for slavs, I hope this thread is still here when I wake up"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question"}, {"id": 109, "content": "We wuzz kings and shieeeet."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni recall a theory that stated how the roman kingdom never actually existed\ntldr a bunch of local tribes came together to form the roman republic and the roman regal period was just a mythology to justify the senate's existence"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>83\n>accurately estimating iq from dna\n\nlol, maybe in 20-40 years"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot sure of exact period but Scottish were outbred by the English. For a time it I believe it was a (local) law that required Scottish newlywed wife to spend the first night with the Englishman. This is why today supposedly Viking desdended Scotts look like porkies."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>29\nBased economist"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>76\n>Wasn't the Great Wall of the Yuan dynasty a miserable thing compared to the one we have now built by the Ming dynasty?\nThis was deliberate as you know the Yuan were mongols"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>110\nThats a bullshit theory. We have numerous call baxks to a rex (king)"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">The new chronology is a pseudohistorical theory proposed by Anatoly Fomenko who argues that events of antiquity generally attributed to the ancient civilizations of Rome, Greece and Egypt actually occurred during the Middle Ages, more than a thousand years later.\n\n>The theory further proposes that world history prior to AD 1600 has been widely falsified to suit the interests of a number of different conspirators including the Vatican, the Holy Roman Empire, and the Russian House of Romanov, all working to obscure the \"true\" history of the world centered around a global empire called the \"Russian Horde\".\n\n>Central to Fomenko's new chronology is his claim of the existence of a vast Slav-Turk empire, called the \"Russian Horde\", which played a dominant role in Eurasian history before the 17th century. The various peoples identified in ancient and medieval history, from the Scythians, Huns, Goths and Bulgars, through the Polans, Dulebes, Drevlians and Pechenegs, to in more recent times, the Cossacks, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, are nothing but elements of the single Russian Horde.\n\n>Fomenko claims that the most probable prototype of the historical Jesus was Andronikos I Komnenos (allegedly AD 1152 to 1185), the emperor of Byzantium, known for his failed reforms, his traits and deeds reflected in 'biographies' of many real and imaginary persons.\n\n>Fomenko claims the Hagia Sophia is actually the biblical Temple of Solomon. He identifies Solomon as sultan Suleiman the Magnificent (1494–1566).\n\n>Also according to his claims, Rome in Italy was founded around AD 1380 by Aeneas and Moscow as the third Rome was the capital of the great \"Russian Horde\".[21][22]\n\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>100\nThat's literally how I walk wtf"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>79\nthis sounds plausible enough i believe it"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Muhammad mythicists that believe Muhammad either didn't exist or died early and Islam was created by Mu'awiya out of arab paganism mixed with gnosticism and arian christianity as a way to suppress factionalism. Proponents usually point to inconsistencies with Islam's early history (no evidence mecca was a trade hub), the lack of any sort of muslim art or coinage before Mu'awiya, the fact that he is responsible for compiling the koran and condemning rival copies and thus controlled the narrative of Islam's early history, and the similarities between islam and gnostic/arian christian heresies (Jesus as less than God, Mary as part of the trinity, etc.)"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>9\nBump. I'm curious now. Where does this come from?"}, {"id": 121, "content": "There's a book that claims the Rwandan genocide wasn't actually planned, it was basically a series of spontaneous Hutu pogroms/chimpouts that started after the RPF shot down the presidents plane."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nBut this is what really happened, isn't it? It's not like the Hutu militias armed with fishing knives just organized themselves into a cohese party and decided to systematically erase Tutsis like the holocaust or something.\nI thought this idea of the pogroms was the mainstream."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nThe \"mainstream\" theory is that Hutu elites/politicians prepared/organized the massacres in advance and that the presidents plane being shot down (by the Hutu-dominated military) was used as a convenient pretext to start it; however given the overwhelming evidence that it was the RPF that shot it down, and the importance of the figures killed when it was shot down (including the chief of staff of the Rwandan military), and the fact that most of the Hutu Hutu elites/politicians that - ostensibly - were behind it spent most of the genocide hiding in foreign embassies because they thought they'd be murdered by Hutu mobs... The book's called Rwanda 1994: The Myth of the Akazu Genocide Conspiracy and its Consequences if you're interested its on Libgen"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>42\nYou're full of shit"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe 4th crusade wasn't a random sequence of events that led to the sack of Constantinople, it was a Hohenstaufen-Venetian alliance to take over Byzantium right from the beginning, you just need to look at the events that happened a decade prior the crusade for more context"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>22\nWhy are the P*lish like this?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>110\nGeorges Dumezil iirc didn't wage on historicity of the kingdom but believed that the early monarchs were gods turned human too."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>111\nIf your average of a sample is 80 and the error is 20 one way or another and another sample has 100 and the same error then it's still some sort of information."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably doesn't count as a form of history denial but the bicameral mind theory is a cool weird theory\n>Bicameral mentality is a hypothesis introduced by Julian Jaynes who argued human ancestors as late as the Ancient Greeks did not consider emotions and desires as stemming from their own minds but as the consequences of actions of gods external to themselves. The theory posits that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be \"speaking\", and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind, and that the breakdown of this division gave rise to consciousness in humans.\n>Jaynes built a case for this hypothesis that human brains existed in a bicameral state until as recently as 3,000 years ago by citing evidence from many diverse sources including historical literature. He took an interdisciplinary approach, drawing data from many different fields. Jaynes asserts that in the Iliad and sections of the Old Testament no mention is made of any kind of cognitive processes such as introspection, and there is no apparent indication that the writers were self-aware. Jaynes suggests, the older portions of the Old Testament (such as the Book of Amos) have few or none of the features of some later books of the Old Testament (such as Ecclesiastes) as well as later works such as Homer's Odyssey, which show indications of a profoundly different kind of mentality—an early form of consciousness."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>119\nThe theory is about abd al malik not muawiyah"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPhantom time hypothesis: Schizo Theory that the entire dark ages was fake"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>129\nYes, it's interesting how he noticed a similar difference in expression, only that he incorrectly blames some sort of brain split, rather than a part of it actually stopping working altogether, and he didn't notice that Rome and the enlightment were the same.\nHis description is incorrect as the result, as he interprets the schizophrenic musings, the inability to deal with novel situations and the thinking through their voices of those with absent neocortex as introspection, and on the other side explains the extra cognitive abilities of those who wete \"bicameral\" as some sort of god voice guidance."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>3\ni don't"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>132\nToo bad Chinese astronomical records disprove that hypothesis."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>125\nQRD?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why would anyone want to live in a country that doesn't guarantee these two rights?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because hate speech shouldn't be free speech. It's not the 18th century anymore."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWho decides what's hate speech?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat do those do for me in actual day-to-day life that I can't enjoy in Western Europe or Australia?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nButthurt faggots on the internet that call criticism \"antiwhite\" (better take it on the chin if they fling racial slurs at you though)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNigga..."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Why would you want to live?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nSo you agree nonwhites should have the option to be armed in case these \"butthurt faggots\" get hold of actual power, yes?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nNeither of these people will actually serve any time though, being charged with something doesn't mean you're going to get convicted/are guilty."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Neither of these people will actually serve any time though\nAnd how does this guarantee me that these governments won't become more authoritarian over time? They may not serve time now, but they may tomorrow"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWhich is quite an ironic thing to say when the U.S is an unbelievably worse example of this very thing, you have the First Amendment and yet there are constant defamation and libel lawsuits(a very anti-free speech phenomenon), Fox News just recently lost 800 million dollars in one."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe first right is wrong. Christianity should be imposed on those who immigrate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI didn't imply the US guarantees these two rights"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nFair, but maybe you shouldn't frame the debate as the US being better at this stuff than Europe then because it really isn't, liberalism is turning into a giant corrupt turd everywhere in the West, not just in Europe."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nIf you can harass people by forcing them to go to court to defend against bogus charges, that is enough to chill free speech."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nTrue Christianity does not force conversion by swordpoint."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfashist faggots\naka libtards and contards\nany extreamist ideologies that cant stand on its own feets hates these because it shows how weak they truely are"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I live in the real world and quite frankly I dislike those people immensely"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nLibel is generally harder to prove in the US than in many parts of Europe, especially if the target is a public figure."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\n>(a very anti-free speech phenomenon)\nholy shit bros... what a groundbreaking revelation...\nOf course defamation cuts against free speech, retard, but it attempts to do it in the most responsible and minimally-invasive manner possible. Defamation notably only gives rise to a civil cause of action in the US, we don't put people in prison for criticizing the holocaust or whatever the fuck you euros do. Defamation also specifically pertains to lies, meaning you can say all the awful shit you want in the world as long as its true.\nThe rationales for its existence are also pretty solid, if some nigger's out there destroying my reputation with lies, he should get punished. I don't really know what recourse you have for something like that besides a lawsuit, unless you're some faggot LARPer who thinks we should have duels or whatever."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nYou don't have to prove shit in civil courts for libel, that's precisely why libel and defamation are chilling effects on free speech, a person just has to argue they were \"harmed\" in some way by your speech to win a lump sum of money."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>You don't have to prove shit in civil courts for libel\ntechnically true if the opposition doesn't raise any defenses, but this is the case with most lawsuits. If the opposing side, however, isn't literally braindead, then they will probably raise one of the dozens of powerful defenses for defamation"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nThis is true. There should be no tolerance for false religion but they should not be compelled to follow the truth, lest the Church of God which He purchased with His own blood be corrupted by unbelievers."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe defense doesn't matter retard. That's why libel is bullshit."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nSince when is \"clown\" hate speech?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nThis is 100% false btw"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nBased"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>The defense doesn't matter retard\nthe defense is the first fucking amendment, which, as you can imagine, is not something puny little trial judges are eager to shit on. None of them want to be the retard that got told off by an appellate judge for violating a party's constitutional rights."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYou're a retard who clearly doesn't understand that the burden of proof in a civil court is the most dogshit anti-freedom thing that exists."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nif you have a strong enough defense that it can succeed on the merits, then that means its more than competent to defeat presumptions in favor of the plaintiff. I literally don't understand what your problem is."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nNo, it can't succeed, because the burden of proof is literally on the defense to prove a negative. Civil court judges judge on pure discretion(Read: Whichever payout is the largest)."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>because the burden of proof is literally on the defense to prove a negative\nthe burden is to successfully prove one of the many defenses, such as consent, truth, self-defense, etc."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nHow exactly, do you suggest someone prove that a person *weren't* harmed by something in a court of law if someone claims they were? Even something as seemingly specific as \"It hurt my reputation\" is immensely arbitrary and unquantifiable."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nthe harm element is one of the more arbitrary parts of defamation. Its clear from the fact that the publication element only requires the defamatory statement to have been said to one other person that the kind of harm contemplated by defamation is not, nor does it care to be, quantifiable. Its why courts just presume harm in certain cases. The real meat for a defamation defense is determining whether the statement in question is even defamatory in the first place (if its true or privileged in some other way, it isn't defamatory), and the culpable mental state of the defamer, both of which can be argued without having to prove a negative."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>6\n>prison time\nAKA 3 hours alone in a holding tank until the fatass judge finishes their lunch and decides to dismiss what is obviously a waste of his time."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nthats still 3 hours of unjust imprisonment for saying words, which is unacceptable."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>9\nThe tyrant is the man who is allowed to commit crimes against you. Whether he does is irrelevant. Similar with governments. I am pro-trans, but I firmly believe people should be allowed to say that trans women are men or vice versa, even if I disagree."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>23\nGive people the benefit of the doubt up to but not including when they start committing crimes. If they commit crimes such as sodomy or whatever, that's when they get charged with gross indecency, and if they confess to the act they get thrown into prison."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>If they commit crimes such as sodomy or whatever, that's when they get charged with gross indecency, and if they confess to the act they get thrown into prison.\nSick LARP, bro. Deus vult and heil hitler, mein volk bruder."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe're not all neocons like you"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">we don't sacrifice animals because temple should be re-build and priesthood should be restored\nMakes sense and then why and how Jews stopped using incense? Both Tanakh and Talmud have instructions and emphasize on importance of incense in worship."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf my memory serves right, using incense outside of the cult is punishable by death according to the Torah."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJudaism is dead. It was reimagined as Rabbinicism and Talmudism by Pharisees after the Temple fell, and as a synagogue centric experience that was largely reactionary to Christianity and their state of exile. Shills would love to pretend that the Church springs from the Jews, but it's the other way around, if anything. Christianity is the fullfillment of ancient Israel, but has nothing to do with Jews as we know them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I will not accept an offering from your hands.\n>For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down,\n>My name shall be great among the Gentiles;\n>In every place incense shall be offered to My name,\n>And a pure offering;\n>For My name shall be great among the nations,”\nSays the Lord of hosts.-Malachi 1:11\n\nModern, temple-less, wall wailing Judaism is cope. Israel's prophets were always pointing towards a day that a Light would shine among Gentiles, and the Lord himself would rule over them, and incense would be lit across all nations. That Lord is Christ and the incense is his Church."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine if Jesus Christ went around telling the kids he raised from the dead and healed and all the people he healed that believed he is the son of God, that, if they didn’t leave their mother and their father and take up their own cross and follow him he would refuse to heal them. See, that never happened. How the son of God went is he healed them and the Jews refused to because “those sinners broke some law of God, and also we don’t believe that Jesus is the son of God even though God literally showed up and said so before he created him in a virgin womb that we have no excuse but to believe now.”\nThey want belief in God to have endless questioning but the way God works is it actually modifies reality and when you are editing reality the thing you don’t want to do is occupy infinite amounts of time because the time God gives you is a miracle you are supposed to be thanking God every new day He gives you. Their lack of thankfulness is their unbelief talking through them.\nBesides, to believe in the name of Jesus is to have already fulfilled the law. You are accepting Jesus as your spiritual mediator to get to the Heavenly Father as our one and only true and living high priest who is also all God and all man at the same time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would love to see how temple judaism looks like. I hope Jews will succeed with kicking out Muzzies from Jerusalem rebuild the Temple. Imagine these beautiful and fascinating ancient Jewish rituals."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey will only refuse christians to be healed."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBased"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat isn’t based, that would literally mean 0 people are going to be healed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>. I hope Jews will succeed with kicking out Muzzies from Jerusalem rebuild the Temple.\nYou American evangelical Christians are batshit crazy. Nothing will happen, its all bullshit"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Imagine these beautiful and fascinating ancient Jewish rituals.\nIt's never going to happen. There is no need for sacrifices. If you wish to escape hell, you already know the answer. And Muslims have a purpose themselves, as a blunt tool from keeping it from happening."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>American evangelical Christian\nKek. I'm Polish catholic."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nNo. Muslims are morally superior to Jews.\n\nSorry, you will NEVER sacrifice another goat.\n\n>>11\nBased Muslims\n\n>>12\nHow’s the weather in Tel Aviv Moshe?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe temple must be rebuilt by a prophet at least, if not a full-fledged messiah. In contrast the state of Israel is fine, no law of Torah says a bunch of communists cant create a giant polish colony"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nHow can a religion that doesn't have any priesthood be superior?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nI think you just answered your own question anon"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\n>Christianity is the fullfillment of ancient Israel, but has nothing to do with Jews as we know them.\nLmao why are fucking Christian LARPers on this website (or throughout history really) so obsessed with stealing Jewish heritage and going we wuz real true Hebrews and shit.\nIt's hysterical, the whole setup is absurd beyond belief. The Indo-European descendants of people entirely unrelated to the Levant now LARP that a Semitic religion from another continent is theirs and then they get angry at the original Semites who invented the fucking thing. What the fuck?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nNot that (any of em) anon and this post screams 666 bastardized version of Judaism+Christlam.\nSomebody seems to have poisoned the dodi repacks guy. I hope Jesus can save him."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nLol fucking nobody in Israel wants to rebuild the Temple."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>a bunch of communists\nThose days are over, Israel is basically venture capitalist dystopia rn. Imagine Silicon Valley but with guns and Semitic throat noises everywhere"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow does that make sense? They still sacrificed animals in the desert when they didn't have a temple. Just make some priests and you're good to go. Their refusal to introduce priests is the same refusal to adhere to their law."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\n>Christian larpers\nUhh, this demonstrates you don’t even know who larpers are, idiot. Larpers are larping as Christian’s because they are sometimes Jews not letting go of the Old Testament laws and rituals and often partake in pagan rituals that the gentile Christian pagan larpers do because they don’t know the difference for one and another it’s because they forgot they aren’t the high priest anymore only Jesus is which is why they go around quoting verses related to their unbelief to quote the law. And beyond this your post is so useless and obviously bad because of all the nerd words like ino-European and talking about nationalities and races and true we-wuz-ism.\nChristians (by like less than .1%) actually are descendants from Hebrews but it doesn’t make them any more going to heaven than someone who isn’t. In fact the more you are the worse it is because as Paul said he is but that makes them children of the flesh not the sons of God. You have to get saved by asking Jesus into your heart."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nIt's quite possibly the best Twitter account ever. I can't believe this is real almost bros, the world is finally healing."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Just make some priests and you're good to go\nIt's not as easy as it sounds. First, they have to find someone from Davidic line. Someone who's not in any way related to David cannot be a priest."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nLevite line. David is the kingly line. But you're right otherwise.\nAnd they have neither. Almost all of them aren't even Jews. Israel was promised a \"Land of Milk and Honey\" and dairy was commonly mentioned in the bible. Yet these so called Jews people talk about these days are 75% lactose intolerant. Dysgenic charlatans who don't even belong there."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\nWhat's the cult?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\n>Ashkenazi Jews are \"Semites\"\nlmfao, they're Khazar mutts, they have no relation to the ancient Israelites. Those semitic descendants you are talking about all converted to Christianity or Islam or got outright obliterated genetically due to miscegenation. Jews are the real LARPers."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>17\nIt's not Jewish heritage. Adam and Eve were promised that one day her seed would smash the Serpent's head. It's human heritage. Then Noachite heritage after. Jews were just stewards of the Torah, and ruined that for themselves. They immediately angered God by worshipping demons, killing their Prophets, and being punished with Exile. When they got another chance, they killed their own Messiah and said \"His blood be on us and on our children\". You couldn't pay anyone to follow their \"heritage\" of disobedience and stupidity. Only their Prophets were worth following."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>15\nHow can a religion that doesn't even control it's own \"holiest\" site be superior? Seems to me like YHWH prefers Muslims"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nAdam and Eve weren't real, you fucking lunatic. These are all fairy tales from Judaism that the Roman Empire appropriated as state propaganda."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Adam and Eve weren't real, you fucking lunatic.\nProve it."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>6\nI'd like it too but realistically I doubt it would ever come to pass. The Muslims would have a chimpout and even many Jewish leaders are unsure if it would even be allowed."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nRepent, lift the curse, and you can be cured of your faggotry. It's not over for you yet."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Today I internet searched for how to make the annoying firefox update popup go away, I've since turned off firefox auto update, but it still keeps popping up \"omg help me!! there's an update! I will die if I don't get that stupid shitty vaccine!\"\nThe internet google search didn't provide the answer so I just guessed. This seems to have worked. So I'm sharing it for people on here."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly certain tribes of Israelites which can preform certain duties in the temple, right? Haven't all Jews at this point blend together or assimilated into other ethnic groups, so now they make these duties inviable?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nShit most useful thing I've seen on his all day. With try this at home thx anon"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Jewish priest looks cool and wise."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nYw Jesus loves you."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\nIts done by cohens and levis, tho tribal identity among khazars is a larp"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>6\nIt's Levite Jews being given sheep and other animals to slit their throat at an altar to Yahweh behind closed curtains."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>26\nI meant outside of the temple. Also:\n>Do not make any incense with this formula for yourselves; consider it holy to the Lord. Whoever makes incense like it to enjoy its fragrance must be cut off from their people.”"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>17\n>The Indo-European descendants of people entirely unrelated to the Levant now LARP that a Semitic religion from another continent is theirs and then they get angry at the original Semites who invented the fucking thing. What the fuck?\nthe irony is that you choose to refer to them as indo-europeans and inod-european languages originate in asia as well"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\nSwollen feet, yuck"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>20\nSo Silicon Valley with guns?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>31\nProve you don't have a dildo in your ass right now"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>23\n>A Twitter account larping as the spokesman for a bunch of boy fucking muslims\nYeah cool bro"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what were the politics and causes leading up to this? what were the after effects? W\nwhat gnarly things did they do to these people that they don't normally tell you? the ruby ridge incident, oklahoma city the whole shebang?\na friend tried explaining it to me years ago drunk at a party and he got really deep into it but I can't remember."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Feds playing soldiers and shit got ugly. The Dravidians werent some innocent sheep either and were ready to kill anyone that wanted to investigate them. Read the background of the cult leader and if you wouldn't have wanted this nigga investigated then I don't know what to tell you. People who hate feds both lefties and white nationalists alike use it for their own anti-government agenda. Btw the dude Mcveigh who bombed the feds in Oklahoma was a member of KKK at some point. Ruby Ridge was also feds being retarded and playing tacticool."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nBtw good chunk of this incident would have died if the civilians who died werent white gunnuts."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe ATF screws up with ruby ridge ect\nwant some good pr so hey let's go after the cult that might be a group of pedos for some good pr\nfuck up their \"investigation\" pedophelia isn't even an ATF thing\nfuck up the raid because they aren't their to get shit done but to look good for the cameras\nget stomped and then start seeing citizens as enemy combatants to the point of burning babies alive\nafterwards make sure that you scrub the site of all evidence of your wrong doing so you can't legally be held accountable\n\nAlso the sniper the dun goofed at ruby ridge was at waco and right after the end he got his rifle re barreled and the old one \"lost\" so they couldn't like him to any of the bullets recovered"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThis is the sheer amount of brainrot Amerimutts have. Holy shit. Maybe dont barricade yourself with non-combatants and shoot at better armed people if you dont want innocents to die. Feds fucked up but the amount of shit Americans would justify for their freedumbs is insane. The feds had food reason to be their and it was investigating into stockpiling of narcotics and weapons not \"pedophilia\". You probably also suck Mcveigh's cock who didn't spare children duirng his twisted crusade bombing a building with people who didnt have to do anything with the feds that committed the Waco fiasco."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNot so fast there chief. Branch Davidians were a multi-ethnic mix and Koresh had black followers. They were a schismatic offshoot of the Seventh-Day Adventists who also have a visible presence in that part of Texas, like Waco and small towns between Waco and Dallas-Fort Worth."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBasically, white guys don't have a monopoly on schizo anti-gubmint ideologies."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe white gunnuts heavily identify with cultists and noone would have cared if it was a black dominant group."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>They where WHITE! >:(\n>Actually, they were a multi-ethnic religious group\n>Yeah, well... well... WHITE people are CULTISTS and nobody cares about BLACKS anyway!\n\nWhat is even the point that you're making"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIt's hard to do counterfactual history, but I'm thinking an analogy would be that Black Hammer group. Have you ever read about this group? The leader is in jail btw for typical cult kidnapping and rape and he wanted to build a rural compound, which they didn't manage, but let's imagine if he did that, and had way more followers (including some white ones, which he had), and then they gun down some ATF agents in a raid that's filmed by local TV crews, and then 76 people die in a fire after an extended siege, including 26 children.\n\nI dunno. That would probably be a big deal. It's hard to say though.\n\n>>5\nLiving in America can make anyone insane. But the cults take that into outer space and it's wrapped up in \"I'm gonna die on this hill\" and a history of frontier settlement where it grows to a certain size and then a religious preacher gathers some number of people and preaches about how the mayor sacrifices babies to the devil and then takes some portion of them away, they move, start a new settlement, and then the process begins all over again."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>investigating into stockpiling of narcotics and weapons\nwhat part of fuck up their investigation did you not read?\nthey didn't find any evidence of that, the fuds knew that they where feds and still the atf decided it was a good idea to have a little raid\nen ja kan mijn kloten kussen derde wereld kanaker makak"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBunch of cultists decided to kill themselves, what's complicated about that? Naturally fed got shit for but storming the place would've been worse since there were children inside and no one had been hurt (yet)"}, {"id": 13, "content": "I remember something about them having heat sensors and they kind of just watched the kids burn or knew what they were doing something of the sort? Or maybe it was where all the kids were was a spot that was still targeted and a tank blocking them off from escape?\nIdk something crazy along those lines."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWorse than everyone burning alive?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHow were they supposed to know? When they found out through the wiretaps it was already too late."}, {"id": 16, "content": "How many kids came out alive and said they were raped by Koresh. At the time, not after months/years of being told that's what had happened to them."}, {"id": 17, "content": "The US Government thought the Branch Davidians were pedophiles and communists. The Branch Davidians were (probably) pedophiles, but not communists. Now, the US Government was chill with the kiddyfucking but not so much the alleged communism, so they sent the ATF to smoke those kiddyfuckers out of their hole. Only problem was they miscalculated on the communism thing and the Branch Davidians had tons of guns and also the alphabet boys were too retarded to live and got uno reverse card'd.\nSo then they flattened the compound and sent the rape victim children to Jesus to get better."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\n>and no one had been hurt (yet)\nthere where multiple dead on both sides at that point tough"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\n>\"stop resisting\" the Federal Agent said calmly\n>as he fired his weapon"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Democrats were getting raped at the polls for letting niggers run amok in their cities with no consequences, sound familiar? So the feds started trying to find white rural criminals to terrorize in order to run a narrative in the news that white people were worse than niggers. They then entrapped an innocent man at Ruby ridge by asking him to make a sawed off shotgun for them and then executed his entire family. Then at Waco they fabricated evidence to suggest that they were making bombs because they bought gunpowder. They then executed the entire compound and burned them alive with tanks armed with flamethrowers. Ultimately this failed and democrats were forced to admit that niggers needed to be punished in the cities and passed the nigger crime bill"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo back."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>They then entrapped an innocent man at Ruby ridge by asking him to make a sawed off shotgun for them\nCan you elaborate on this fampai?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nare you implying this is a reddit question? not enough phenotype cancer religious shit flinging and hitler for you?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe guy at Ruby ridge had a friend who was an actual Nazi. But he wasn't. So the feds fabricated a narrative that he was so e clandestine Nazi GunBroker selling illegal guns to a Nazi terrorist group that didn't exist. The then showed up undercover at his house and after a few months asked him to saw off an inch too much from a shotgun. They then served him with a warrant and said he was charged with manufacturing illegal weapons. They then changed his court date without telling him so they could raid his house and showed up in the dead of night and murdered his son in the woods who was hunting. He then hunted down and killed a couple of the agents and then hid in his house, surrounded the FBI execution team was called and they shot his wife through the heart while she was carrying a baby. The also killed his brother. tl;dr they were found in the wrong and he got a measly 200k or something"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\nIdk dude a bunch of children burning to death during a government siege sounds like it would be a big deal regardless of race."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nI was talking about the women and children anon, if they were hurt then feds would've made an entry"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\n>The Dravidians werent some innocent sheep either and were ready to kill anyone that wanted to investigate them\nChild Protective Services had already investigated them years before (and turned up nothing). Koresh told the sheriff and the ATF that they could come to the compound and look at his guns because everything he had was legal."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nMidwit\n>Tank punches a hole\n>Flames are already inside and gush out as oxygen rushes in"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\nSounds fabricated to make the feds appear like sadistic bastards. Well they can be sadistic bastards but it's too pat, like them sitting around on some scopes watching kids get barbecued and being satisfied by it? I don't buy it.\n\n>>20\nRuby Ridge occurred when Bush was in office and Clinton actually ran to his right as a \"tough on crime\" candidate in '92 but was good at triangulating about it."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>5\nsorry, too many adhominems to take your take seriously, you seem to biased."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>tank is opening air holes to burn the building down\nokay thanks for admitting the feds murdered these children on purpose"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n\nNah, the people who deliberately blew a hole in a concrete shelter they knew the women and kids were hiding in and then pumped if full of gas that turns into poison when heated (like, say, by a huge fire) were sadistic bastards."}, {"id": 33, "content": "Regular reminder that during the initial ATF raid a number of agents are on video climbing onto the roof to enter through a side window. While climbing the ladder one agent shoots himself in the leg and is lowered down and taken away. The other agents proceed to smash the window and climb through. The last agent immediately throws a grenade through the window after them and fires through, then is himself hit by someone blindly firing back, hitting him through the wall, hitting him. He crawls away injured and the footage of him being hit is editted and used as an example of the Davidians firing first. The other agents who climbed through the window were all found dead in that room.\n\nBy the way, those agents who died had been bodyguards for the Clintons."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe \"branch davidians\" weren't even branch davidians they were a splinter of a heretic cult of Seventh Day Adventists who other Seventh Day Adventists despised and the ATF was filled with incompetent fucking morons trying to make an example of the cult and ignored any of the advice that the far more competent FBI negotiators gave them."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>5\n>The feds had food reason to be their\n1. No they didn't.\n2. Don't type angry."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\n>like them sitting around on some scopes watching kids get barbecued and being satisfied by it? I don't buy it.\nCops tend to be sadists. They kill and injure people and then laugh with each other about it."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\nI've never heard the heat sensor claims, but the ATF were definitely enjoying themselves. While the Branch Davidians were burning to death inside the compound, ATF agents rushed to the flagpole, pulled down the Davidians' flag, and raised the ATF flag in a sign of conquest. Later, they were smiling and posing for pictures on top of the rubble."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAbsolute psychopathic gigachads"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nThey were posing with the charred corpses"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCultniggers get what they deserve.\n\nI really have no idea why Americans cry over this."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>quick, we need to kill some what people and claim they were terrorists to take people's attention off of inner city gangs!"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n*kill some white people"}, {"id": 43, "content": "...what makes american rightwingers think that the feds aren't going to swing their dick around when they feel disrespected by rightwingers? Like seriously, there were so many times in american history where it was made crystal clear that the feds aren't going to treat separatist rightwingers the same as they treat the urban youth or the rich, upper-middle class weather underground types."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think it is important to remember that there are likely hundreds of groups who can likely be described as being similar to the Branch Davidians in some way. They usually don't bother any of the people in the surrounding community, and combined with the sheer level of space in places like Texas, the Texans also don't bother them. It is a bit of a strange attitude but you really can't be expect people to act indignant just because a bunch of weirdos live in a 20 km radius of them on some ranch, particular because if you spend half an hour driving in a direction there are literally 360 degrees of directions you could go.\n\nSo what you got is that occasionally you will have a cult complex located near some places but these cults, while you argue are bad for the people involved in them, don't really affect the surrounding area that much. Thus these potentially hundreds of cults will largely pass under the radar unless someone decides to make something of it. The key here is that somebody in the ATF decided to make something of this."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>9\nHe has schizophrenia."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>5\nSieges and non-combatants tend to be iffy situations. At Alesia when Ceasar was sieging them Vercingetorix sent out the women and children to attempt to cross out so they could conserve supplies, however Ceasar wouldn't let them leave so these women and children slowly starved to death in the field between the city and the army. I'm not saying this is how it would have turned out if the compound released the children early but there is no guarantee when you are being sieged that your civilians are going to be treated well if you release them to the enemy. Yes, you might think the government would handle the children properly but you have to understand that throughout the entire process that the children might be being released slowly as part of an agreement guns would be aimed at them the entire time. In that context it feels safer to keep them behind a protective barrier where guns will not be being aimed at them directly. Perhaps there was a basement where they were riding the situation out like as if it was a tornado. That safe room would certainly seem like it was the safest place for them, certainly safer than having guns directly pointed at them as the walked out one by one."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>9\nOP is the guy that spams the lynching threads and fantasizes about killing white people, if you point this out mods ban you"}, {"id": 48, "content": "this is /his/ so, from a /his/ perspective, literal biblical scholars proposed to discuss scripture with this guy. vernon/koresh was an intelligent man but had some demons in him.\nbut clinton had inherited bush's btf and also had hired janet reno. \"tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime.\" here was some white people (well, mixed people, but led by a whiteboi) who were resisting authoritahh.\nfuck 'em, right?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>5\n>trusting the feds, ever, after they killed a harmless woman and a scared kid and proceeded to taunt their living relatives with said killing\nFor a guy believing Babylon had come for him and his, Koresh was way, WAY too conciliant. Fucking dude outright told the feds to visit and investigate whatever they wanted, and they threw a fit, smeared his cult (which was, I'll admit, total fucking heresy and disgusting, but false pretexts are still scummy), mustered as many alphabet people and military material as they could and outright tried to massacre them by surprise. If David's cult was even as reclusive and hated as it was claimed by those ATF retards, there was no way they would have been warned they would have the feds knocking the very same day."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>5\n>Maybe dont barricade yourself with non-combatants and shoot at better armed people if you dont want innocents to die\nAdding another fish to the sea of replies this bait has already gotten.\nAnon, what sort of fucking logic is this? Are you unironically saying hostages are targets? This is worse than Russian hostage rescue tactics."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>41\nCults are inherently more dangerous than gangs though."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH FEEL SAD FOR THE PEDO CULT MEMBERS\nno, kill yourself kike"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n>WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH FEEL SAD FOR THE PEDO CULT MEMBERS\nwow, so brave of you to take on the American political dynasties, anon, I'll remember you when you commit suicide by eating lead several time through the nape of the neck"}, {"id": 54, "content": "FIRST on the first day the ATM were using the helicopters they got from the fraudulent warrant as rifle platforms to shoot blindly through the upper floor windows where the women and children were hiding\n\nNOT ONLY is it likely the feds caused the fire, the FLIR footage from the last day CLEARLY shows feds opening up with automatic weapons at the rear of the compound so escape from the flames would be impossible\n\nALSO they fucking MURDERED an expert who was examining the footage, his name was Carlos Ghigliotti\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2000/05/28/the-man-who-knew-too-much/68c85b3a-913d-4e62-9806-ffecbdb53556/\n\nFUCK ALL YOU SUBHUMANS COVERING EVERY SINGLE THREAD FOR THE FEDS AND SUGGESTING THE INNOCENT CHRISTIANS HAD IT COMING\n\nYOU MAKE ME SICK\n\nANYONE WHO SPENDS MORE THAN THREE HOURS RESEARCHING THE INCIDENT KNOWS WHY AND HOW THEY WERE KILLED\n\nJUST LOOK AT THIS SHIT THERE ARE BURNT HUMAN REMAINS JUST BEHIND THE SOULLESS HYLIC PIECE OF SHIT MURDERING SCUMBAGS POSING AS IF THEY ARE HARD"}, {"id": 55, "content": "ITS NOT JUST HIM IN THAT ONE SPOT\n\nTHEY HAD A GODDAMN LINE OF SHITHEEL FAGGOTS JUST WAITING FOR THEIR TURN TO LOOK LIKE A BADASS IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA"}, {"id": 56, "content": "FEDS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>41\n>I FUCKING HATE NIGGERS\n>I FORGOT THE POINT I WAS ORIGINALLY MAKING\nkek. take your Clonazepam"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>47\nLBJfag never left?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nremember\n\nyou are here forever"}, {"id": 60, "content": "Did the ATF ever retract saying they were attacking the helicopters"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>27\nCPS is useless and isn't a good defense"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nthe ATF literally (that is not an exaggeration) ran out of ammunition on the first day and had to BEG the Davidians to collect their dead\n\nknowing what happened afterwards, instead of generously obliging them, the Davidians probably should have sallied forth and seen them off without ceremony"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>5\n>t. Eurocuck\nIt was a total and avoidable clusterfuck. American citizens aren’t, or didn’t used to be, cattle to be fucked with by the feds at their prerogative."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\ninnocent until proven guilty\n\nESPECIALLY after CPS investigates you TWICE\n\nT\nW\nI\nC\nE\n\nand BOTH times find ABSOLUTELY NOTHING"}, {"id": 65, "content": "What happens when a bunch of 90 IQ white trash and Mexican FBI and ATF agents hopped up on AC/DC and Megadeth cassettes get carried away."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nyou can go ahead and claim the feds were really mexicans, but you cannot substantiate this."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nThree of the four ATF agents killed during the standoff were beaners."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>LeBleu\n>McKeehan\n>Williams\n>Willis\n\nthat is not true"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>33\nlol classic. i've seen this but not the bodyguard claim, which i find a bit harder to believe but who knows"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>46\n\nThere was a safe room. The FBI blew a hole in the roof with explosives and then pumped in tear gas so the people hiding there would have to run out into the burning building that was being simultaneously being bulldozed by tanks, or stay and choke on gas that becomes poisonous when heated."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>16\n\nI note this rather central point of why the government just HAD to kill all those people, has gone unanswered by the government's defenders."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>47\n;( i just wanted to know more about this fiasco it was pretty important..."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>43\nYou must be kidding. Feds attack the right wing — Weather Underground types get cushy sinecures after a short stint in prison"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>5\n>The feds had food reason to be their and it was investigating into stockpiling of narcotics\nSo what's the good reason?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>47\nTake your meds"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nLOL the WU guys only got off because of prosecutorial misconduct. Many other activists on the radical left from that time period got 20+ years in prison or fled the country."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nThey only really locked up or shot the WU's foot soldiers, the guys who actually planted bombs or shot at cops and those were literal criminals who would have gone to jail anyway."}, {"id": 78, "content": "Feds target obscure cult-like group of Christians in an attempt to save face for the ATFs fuckups, the general fuckups of the Clinton admin, and to push the anti-gun narrative. Pick weirdo David Koresh who they had followed for a long time, had been investigated by the local sheriff and child protective services without any criminals charges (outside of earlier issues unrelated to guns/children). Spend months trying to entrap his group on gun charges that never stuck. End up attempting a grand siege of David's compound to look good, end up fucking up the initial entry in a GRAND fashion. Entire situation spirals downward as one would expect, feds end up burning children alive. Feds scrub evidence from the site, lie, and generally do what they can to save face.\n\nThe whole incident was really an example of how you can't live life on your own terms in the U.S. anymore, especially if your political views are opposed to the ruling party."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">*fucks your wife because God told him in a dream it would hasten the End Times*"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>murders white people to try and claim that white nationalist terrorism is worse than inner city crime\nhmm, this sounds familiar"}, {"id": 81, "content": "JURY FINDS FOR U.S. IN DEATHS AT WACO\n\nBy Ross E. Milloy\n\nJuly 15, 2000\n\n\nan advisory panel of five jurors took slightly more than an hour today to find that federal officials were not liable in the deaths of nearly 80 Branch Davidians who were killed in the 1993 raid and standoff\n\n''This terrible tragedy was the responsibility of David Koresh *and* the Branch Davidians, not the federal government,'' the Justice Department said in a statement. ''We are pleased the jury affirmed that view.''\n\n*and*\n\nSurvivors and relatives of Branch Davidians killed during the siege had sought $675 million, accusing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of using excessive force and firing indiscriminately in the initial Feb. 28, 1993, raid to arrest Mr. Koresh, the sect leader, on weapons violations charges. Six Branch Davidians, as well as four bureau agents, were killed that day in the start of a 51-day standoff.\n\nDid the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms use excessive force and fire indiscriminately during the initial raid? Did F.B.I. agents act negligently, going beyond their orders, in their use of tanks during the final assault?\n\nSince federal protections grant wide latitude for agents pursuing their official duties, Judge Smith ruled that if jurors answered ''no'' to the first two questions, there was no reason to answer the last two.\n\nJurors got no further than the first two questions, the judge said. The decision of the panel was unanimous, and the jurors did not want to speak to reporters, he said.\n\nMr. Caddell said he thought the jury was likely swayed by ''all the guns'' the sect kept at the compound.\n\n''I want to set the record straight,'' Judge Smith said. ''I have not in any way tried to engineer a jury charge. I have tried to simplify the issues.''\n\nJudge Smith's narrow jury charge, and the limitations he placed on evidence during the trial, may have kept jurors and the public from getting all relevant facts in the case."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were they vikings?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Also, was their success in conquest beyond the seas due to their supposedly viking culture, or due to unrelated political and cultural evolution?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were they vikings?\nNo they were a new ethnicity; Normans.\nScandinavians who mixed with Franks."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The higher caste were a mix of vikangs and franks.\nThe regular ones were just franks + french so north french"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no record of any of them going on viking, no."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Why are French such cucks? Why didn't they just kill Rollo instead of carving a fief for him and giving him a princess? Why couldn't they find some other guy of their own? Was it just some fetish stuff?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhat about that one time they sacked the vatican?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>The higher caste were a mix of vikangs and franks.\nAnd bretons"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. They were essentially identitcal to other Northern French cultures.\n>>2\nAlso no. The Normans of the 11th century did not share any naval traditions with Scandinavia outside of again, what they shared with the rest of Northern France. They retained no navy, had no special naval contigents and the like. William had to create a fleet from scratch for his invasion of England and the later Sicilian Navy was rather unique and didn't appear until the 12th century."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho fucking cares what they were? They don't exist as a modern Identity anymore, this /int/ Tier shitflinging ruins the board"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Were they vikings?\n\nThey didn't speak Norse\nThey didn't fight like the Norse\nThey didn't build like the Norse\nThey didn't dress like the Norse\nThey didn't worship Norse gods\nThey did have some distant Norse ancestry though. By the 11th century, Norse was probably their third largest admixture after Frankish and Celtic (Breton)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nWhy did french fags allowed a bunch of welsh sheep shaggers to carve such a high place in their noblity? When you look at early medieval french noblity you find gwynnards ap LigmaBalleewen everywhere"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSame reason they died for some italian manlet en masse\nSame reason they surrendered their forts to the romans and got their hands chopped\nSame reason their first kang is dutch and their nobles were Geofreys and Heidelgardes\nSame reason they gave rollo and his men a harem of princess and noblegirls.\nSame reason they got occupied in WW2\n\nIts a common motiff in french history"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nRollo was given Normandy (one third of what is now the Normandy region) after being defeated by the French king in 911.\nBasically at the time there were no standing armies, and having to constantly raise troops to go defend the coast when vikangz came raid defenseless peasants was very bothersome and costly.\nThus, the French king \"hired\" Rollo by giving him a tiny chunk of land in exchange for defending the place for free.\n\nAlso, Rollo's wife, Poppa of Bayeux, was the daughter of a minor local noble.\nThe Vikings TV series =/= reality.\nRollo wasn't Ragnar's brother, Rollo didn't get Normandy after capturing/saving Paris, Rollo didn't marry the king's daughter."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHere's how Normandy looked in 911 btw\nNormans later obtained the rest by conquering Breton lands for France"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nIt sounds to me like the french pussied out and took the chance to get their women bulled and be spared."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nTypical french!"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nThose numbers sound sus.Also I would not give land to some nigga I defeated. Also\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_of_France"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>The Vikings TV series =/= reality.\n>Rollo wasn't Ragnar's brother, Rollo didn't get Normandy after capturing/saving Paris, Rollo didn't marry the king's daughter.\n\nAlso he wasnt from Norway but from Danish colonies in England"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Also I would not give land to some nigga I defeated.\nYou would if it spared you having to waste your money to send troopd fight off a new vikang band on the coast every 4 months\n\nAs for your link\n>The marriage and the existence of Gisela are not independently confirmed, allowing for a legendary character of Gisela\nA literal myth"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nAt this period, while the King was able to mobilise forces it was an expenditure he couldn't really consistently afford against what really was a minor, yet persistent problem. At this time the Kingdom of West Frankia was nearing the end of the process of collapse in Central Authority with Feudalism becoming a real problem that Kings had to deal with. While in Germany this complete collapse in power mitiaged by relatively strong Carolingian Kings until Louis the child. The Western Kings had no such luck as they were completely unable to stem their ever decreasing power. Charles had his power collapsing in between his fingers and did the best he could to stop it, unsucsessfully.\n\nRollo was an oppurtunity for Charles. A man with an army, not resourced from the crowns ever dwindiling resources who could be an ally to him against his ever resistant officers turned hereditary Feudal lords. That's really just what he did, Rollo was given land (some of which he had to fight for) and acted as both a fighting threat to external enemies but more importantly a billigerent neighbour to Charles vassals to keep them occupied."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>>17\nwho makes these sort of posts?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nI'm french myseld. I like the idea. Same when mandingo comes and bvlls my wife"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nva te pendre"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\nThis shit ain't Elder Scrolls bro"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey were called \"franci\"\nwhich means french\n\nthey spoke french, eat like french and fought like french. This is why the Royal english motto is in french."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nFranci meant frank.\nModern french are a mongrel mass of occitans, Iberian civil war refugees and corsicans.\nFrench werent a thing in the middle ages"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Yes but their army likely had a mix of Frank, Frisian, and Briton men among others."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ruling class was a Northman but the average serf was franco-celtic."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>14\n>after being defeated\nyes, being defeated and then gaining 10,000 square miles of land from the 'victor' lmao"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nSo true france spoke a germanic language before (((them))) )ossetians( corrupted with swarthy italic geens."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nOccitans are just spocs though. But they weren't part of france that long"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nSpics*"}, {"id": 34, "content": "North European history in general is just Scandinavian Chads fucking everyone's shit up before pulling themselves too thin,getting mutted and then contained.\n>Germanic tribes of Scandinavia create kingdoms all around Europe\n>Vikangz fuck everyone's shit and create states all around Europe\n>Christian Scandinavians crusade and create states in Baltics\n>Scandinavian king end up ruling polish Lithuanian commonwealth\n>Scandis interfere into 30 years war turning the tide\n>Scandis beef with Russia and almost everyone in Eastern Europe btfo'd all of them but finally losing the war because of sheer difference in power and still end up being autonomous regional power\n>Only lose their relevance after modern era kicks in the sheer numbers become the deciding factor due to new military doctrine\nHow did they do it? Literally the big boys of Europe who bullied everyone from their islandic frat houses."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nOccitania is literally part of the Original kingdom of france"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>21\n> feudalism\nWhat a meme"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n> leave their hilly cold shitholes to take better lands elsewhere\n> others arent keen to take those hilly cold shitholes"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>have one time 1200 years ago you mattered\n>never shut the fuck up about it.\nI hate small countries I HATE SMALL COUNTRIES."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nSounds like Chads having a training arc and then a hero's journey. Vikanging also started because climate became favourable not otherwise and Denmark is literally Germany but Chads."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nBrownccitans were never considered france until the late middle ages. They were also a visigothic posession just like spics"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>1200 years ago\nYikes oof and cope. Sweden mattered a lot during the reign of Carolus Rex and it was the only thing cucking Russia out of Western contact."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>12\nNetflix explains it all, go watch it mutt and leaves the whites alone?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>22\nKikes, mutts and niggers, why do you ask?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nIm mostly talking about norway. I know they had the north sea empire. But you get the point."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nPart of the kingdom of france. You are gay and you will never amount to anything. No matter how blonde."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nCanute was danish though"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nThey were called occitans. Not french.\nIm indian and i know this. Everyone does"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nPart of the kindgom of france. But yes they were called occitans. Not from france proper."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nOh fuck. Well I guess norway did only have 1 time they mattered."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish claiming that Normans were Vikings so they weren't conquered by the French is one of the saddest historical copes I've ever heard."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>English claiming that Normans were Vikings so they weren't conquered by the French is one of the saddest historical copes I've ever heard.\nPart of it is cope and part of it is just midwittery."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRollo spent time in England prior to conquering French territory, and would definitely be termed a 'Viking' in common parlance, and even in the mid-12th century Norman chroniclers were citing the Danes and Norwegians as their 'forebears'. So yes, there was a definite understanding amongst Normans that they were a distinct race with a distinct heritage (i.e. Normanitas)."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\noh look, the seething breton larper is back lmao"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nPerhaps they can find solace in knowing no one in France cares besides the Normans\nThe norman invasion isn't taught at school as far as i remember"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nThe French calling themselves French doesn't make them any less Gaulish mutts\n\nMexicans can tell themselves they descend from nobles Aztec and conquistadors too but in the end they come from random Spanish farmers and local Amerindian pussy\n\nThe Turks have their entire nationalistic myth about LARPing as central asian nomads but in the end they are mostly Anatolian\n\nOn the Normans being Scandinavian because they believe they are is not a very convincing evidence. Because beyond that they were still calling themselves French and behaving like French people."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\ndamn how did my spacing end up so reddit"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVikings 2.0"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey were vikings who drank red wine instead of mead."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n>the french aren't french\n>but normans are\nweird"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>50\nWont beat gauls calling themselves french to pretend they werent conquered by dutch. then proceeding to larp as a unholy kixture of Flemish, Frankish, Cornish and Danish aristocrats to keep this civic nationalist cope identity"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>52\nNo one denies that Rollo was a viking, cretin\nWhen people say Normans, they mean the French speaking, horse riding, castle building frankish-celtic mutts who conquered England and Southern Italy 150 years after Rollo's era"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>they weren't northmen because they were mixed with franks\n>they were french though because they were mixed with celts\n\n>French speaking\nso occitan speakers wouldn't be included, presumably\n\n>horse riding\nXD\n\n>castle building\nthe first true castles were built in italy\nI guess the normans were eyeties after all\nWE WUZ\n\nbasically my friend you need to learn to read, also open a history book sometime loool"}, {"id": 63, "content": "Celts literally hadn't been a thing in even Roman Gaul by the 5th century why are you niggas sperging about it in 10th century Frankia."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nSheamus/Angus larp"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Brothers what the fuck. There has always been religious posts here but was more of an /x/ thing. Why is it suddenly 90% religion now? Also, roll thread!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhalf the threads on this board are low effort bait threads and religion is the hot topic"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll, please be magic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS\n>YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOME MEANINGLESS HISTORICAL TRIVIA THAT'S ONLY POSSIBLE APPLICATION IS JEOPARDY QUESTIONS"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nGtfo religionnigger. No one cares whether the Gospel of Bob proves the sola poopshit doctrine"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>bard\nseems fitting lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": "It is weird. There is no more interesting discussion. I think Xians and Subcontinental asians need to be banned from the board.\nHalf the threads are some Abrahamic dispute of the rites of hooplius weepus and the other is some Hindu sexual ressentiment post.\n\nalso Roll"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nIt used to be interesting when /x/fags posted something new or interesting about their faith, these days it's literally just the same exact thing over ad over again with no new takes or information or interesting twists. Literal redditors arguing and fake arguing in tandem about pretty much nothing. Somehow you guys manage to have less substance in your threads than haplofaggots."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe racial, astrological, and class artwork in Oblivion was GOATed. Shame Skyrim turned them into ugly ass snownigger rocks."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>imaginary magical skydaddies matter\nNope.jpg"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nHuman, Male, warrior, it’s gamin’ time"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis board declined pretty heavily in quality, the result is that most worthwhile posters left and the only people who remain besides the shitposters seeking to exploit this board's low quality for their own amusement and retards are religionfags and the most autistic of haplofags."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There has always been religious posts here but was more of an /x/ thing\nanon stop lying"}, {"id": 17, "content": "This is History and Humanities. The discussion of religion is a matter of Humanities. /x/ is called Paranormal. The discussion of religion in a historical, social, racial or political context is not paranormal. The discussion of religion in an occult sense is paranormal. Almost every single religious thread on /his/ falls the former category. This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. /his/ IS the religion board. /x/ is the occult board. Religion =!= the occult. It doesn't make this board any less of a shithole, but religion posts have every right to be on this board."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything else is boring to talk about. Roll"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\nexcept the thousands of anons replying to the hundreds of threads?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck is a 'rogue' even supposed to be?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>thousands of anons\nlol"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\n>warrior\nHoly based"}, {"id": 26, "content": "dances into the thread"}, {"id": 27, "content": "I say this and i will keep saying it forever: there needs to be a religion board.\nThink about it, it's the perfect choice: If someone wants to discuss about religion they can go to the religious board, if someone doesn't want to discuss it then they can just go somewhere else.\nAlso religion is not a humanities subject because it cannot be disputed (see dogmas as an example), it belongs to /x/ at its best."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbattle mage master race get"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's impossible to talk about history without religion. Roll."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\nReligiousposters weren't /x/fags to begin with. The former are too dogmatic."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\n>on this board"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>22\nReligion threads are literally always the same couple dozen people. I don't even post in them but i can recognize several recognizable autists from just looking at the threads in the catalog and occasionally looking at the threads for a minute or two. JWanon, the Dirk guy, the guy who loves sedevacantists and sucks one of them off a lot, the one who makes AI images of Ricky Gervais in burning in hell and having gay sex, etc."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThis is the only board I've seen this on in years. Admittedly, I don't frequent /pol/ or /int/."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>6\n>religion\n>actually mattering\nPick one"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\n>The discussion of religion in a historical, social, racial or political context\nBut that's not what happens here, it's literally just\n>\"Here's why my religion is right and your religion/lack of religion is wrong (and is also the reason why trannies exist)\"\nbecause a dozen or so obsessed autists abuse the \"& Humanities\" loophole"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nROLLAN IN HISTORY BOARD!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>17\n>The discussion of religion in a historical, social, racial or political context is not paranormal. The discussion of religion in an occult sense is paranormal. Almost every single religious thread on /his/ falls the former category.\nBullshit, the religion threads on /his/ aren't having an open discussion about the historical, social, and political context. Every thread is another stupid argument trying to own the atheists or show off what a based and good Christian they are. There is no good discussion going on."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>>35\nYou're deluded if you think religion isn't a widely interesting topic. This is just sour grapes and cope."}, {"id": 39, "content": "https://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nIt is incredibly interesting, that's why it's so frustrating and at the same time amazing that posters obsessed with it can't ever say anything interesting at all. It's so low effort and banal that you can't even tell whose baiting who, just an endless stream of meaningless waste clogging up the screen, burying anyone who actually talks about h&h.\nIt's an excuse to shitpost and nothing else, I've had deeper and more meaningful conversations with proselytizers on community college campuses."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nWhere did I say it wasn't interesting you disingenuous christfaggot? I said no one comes to /his/ to talk about religion in a historical, social, racial or political context, not \"ugh it's BORING, you shouldn't talk about it here because it's BORING\""}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChrist is king my brother, he is truly a great friend and an amazing savior. I am fortunate to know him as my Lord, I pray you will do the same"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRolling"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll\n>>42\nYou and the Jews have the same Messiah"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople have realized a mere change in politics is not going to fix our problems. Society needs more."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>39\nI would like to get a better turnout for this poll. It would be nice to have a definitive vote on the religion issue."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have also noticed an insane and inordinate amount of religious topics posted here lately.\n\nAlso roll."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrololololol"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nROLLERINOOO"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRolla"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>38\n>isn't a widely interesting topic\nIt really isnt. Im still waiting even for a single shred of evidence but im not keeping my hopes up."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe problem isn't the religious talk, its the zealotry. Religion is interesting to talk about between a bunch of neutral, dispassionate observers because there aren't any landmines/ sacred cows that will suddenly interrupt and end the conversation. But echristians can't have a conversation, all they can do is proselytize."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'll do this many push ups"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrulll"}, {"id": 57, "content": "Is thief any good as a class if using an automatic +5 attributes mod?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>37\nDon't forget the atheist masterbaiters.\n>>44\nLmao say that in a synagogue"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRollan."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrollin for tha VVIZARD shit\n>>55\nit was over before it even started"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nI don't know what the hell that is? Does my blade talk like KIT?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>38\nits not when most retards here use it as an excuse to talk about shit that is not about history or humanities and certainly breaks the 25 year rule"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>10\nGod just when we thought the haplotism was the worst this board could get"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRolly polly olly"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSex"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the day of judgement is almost here. Watch your every thought, steer away from sin."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe real invaders are the /n/iggers subverting this board and trying to turn it into an anti-car shithole. Remember if you see a trainy thread, report it. Those subhumans should never be welcome here"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll\nthis board is trash, rapidly competing for the worst board on this site, the fact that its in the running only goes to show how garbage its become"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>62\nyou're like an assassin, but you use illusion magic and can do things magically which the thief or assassin takes longer to do physically"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPls"}, {"id": 72, "content": "OP is a faggot."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe shills found it and started promoting their churches"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a psyop."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI always get a sword."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nuo"}, {"id": 77, "content": "Garbage thread"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nROLLIN"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>6\n>talking about history on the HISTORY board…le BAD!!!!!!"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nroll"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople are becoming more retarded as life us becoming harder to cope with."}, {"id": 82, "content": "Christians on /his/ and /pol/ aren't actually interested in discussion or debate, it's just proselytization and shitposting."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRolan"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll\n\nSomething is triggering the discord trannies who want to keep all boards under medical coma to avoid any real discussion happening"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRollin rollin rollin rollin yeah"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRooollllll"}, {"id": 87, "content": "We are being raided"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's just one guy."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nbased,\ni noticed that some samefags make multiple threads on same topic\n>>88\ni dont think so\n>>84\nLOL, it is over for discorditties"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni meant to roll on this yesterday. glad the thread is still up"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrollin for based battlemage"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>unknown\nme"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoll"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRolling"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>70\nExcept for some reason Nightblades don't have Sneak as a major skill."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm a sagittarius, please give me archer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "At what point in history did humans gain consciousness? What was it like?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe were already conscious. All mammals are conscious."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/thread\nHowever, someone might ask \"at which point does a living being gain consciousness?\". There's no proper answer to this question. It largely depends on what consciousness is."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n\nThe question is worded stupidly. Perhaps OP should've asked. \"At what point in human evolution were humans able to start asking 'why'?\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour average dog and cat is conscious to a degree."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou probably mean \"sapience\" and we don't actually know"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What was it like?\nTry and think back to your earliest memories, see if you remember your own thoughts at the time"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIt was 160,000 years ago for homo sapience\nI think OP is asking when we became consciousness or something Idk"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>At what point in history did humans gain consciousness?\nAll mammals have 6 layered cortex so most probably even mouses have consciousness."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">consciousness thread\n>posts unconscious braindead meatthead"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n6000-7000 years ago when God put Adam into the body of a sapiens monkey."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen language was created and men could formulate their ideas to one another."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBy consciousness, you mean abstract self-awareness? That was the development of language. Idk when though."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPrehistory."}, {"id": 15, "content": "I think it was when beauty and art was acknowledge by the human brain.\n\nExample\nHunter hunts a doe, when he approaches the doe with his spear in order to kill it, his consciousness awakens and he sees the doe as a beautiful animal undeserving of being killed."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll animals have it"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhenever we left Africa."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nThat's nonsense."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>At what point in history did humans gain consciousness? What was it like?\nNo living creature is ever without consciousness because everything including living creatures and inanimate objects all emerge from and dissolve back into infinite and eternal all-pervading consciousness"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>At what point in history did humans gain consciousness?\n\nDURING THE PERIOD KNOWN AS «THE BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE».\n\n\n>What was it like?\n\nTRAUMATIC."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there really a 4000 year old male J1 Semitic man's skeleton in this crypt? Why not take a tiny sample and test it in a lab?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey are afraid to reveal that abraham was I1"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJewish rabbi caste is E1b1 not J cattle."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\nThis. It's an I1 skull with Hallstatt Nordic features. Science can NEVER allow this information to be published."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWrong\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">ooohhhhhh my science what is patriarch Abraham haplogroup?!\nKill all haploturds"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>t. E1b"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>t. R2D2"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nAncient Semites had blue eyes so you might not be wrong kek"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nBased and Truthpilled"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMummy curse"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Imagine everyone suddenly became a single skin color. The phenotypes and cultures remain the same, just that skin is the same everywhere.\n\nWhere would you draw the line between europeans, middle easterners, east asians and hindus? (on a map)"}, {"id": 2, "content": "This remains the same even if everybody is equally tawny."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBut did he mean Lower Saxons or Germano-Slavic rapebabies clustered around Leipzig and Meissen? This is very important."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased on bone structures instead."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Where would you draw the line between europeans, middle easterners, east asians and hindus? (on a map)\nThis has no reason to change if cultures don't change. It's still the same people with the same history. That doesn't change. Ethnic identity goes far beyond skin color/phenotypes, and even then, the ones you mentioned are arbitrary geographic identifiers that have little to do with the individuals who occupy the region."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>race is only skin deep\n\nNot this meme again"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsn’t that the tripfag from /fa/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEast Asians and poos are clearly different from Euros and MENAs. Many East Asians in fact already have skin colour similar to caucasoids but we can clearly see they're not the same. Phenotype can overlap between the Mediterraneans and MENAs but that depends if you consider both of those groups \"white\"\nIf every nig became albino, they'd have to latch onto something other than skin colour. Nose and lips perhaps? The black features on albino nigs are more noticeable and perhaps even striking"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHair, bone structure, facial features, eye and hair color ect"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI would still EASILY be able to tell who's Negroid and who's Caucasoid."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can already tell who is black through their voice, even if they're trying to sound white. I can tell an albino black person from a white European. As much as you wish racism was about skin color, it has nothing to do with it. So these lines would remain the same, completely unchanged."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nBased Ben and his insanity."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The phenotypes and cultures remain the same\nNothing changes. You can still spot the difference between euros, arabs and pajeets a mile away if you have eyes, and face blind autists here will still judge based on names and language while pretending they can actually see a difference."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nPajeets? Yes. Those dravidian brow ridges are a dead giveaway.White, Arabs, North Africans, and other Middle Easterners not so much. Literally same faces with a difference coat of paint."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nSnow elves"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRace is more than skin color. If an european guy suddenly became darker you could still tell he was white."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nJesus christ right is a monster"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\nThe part where he talks about aliens viewing earth is funny"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing changes because discrimination isn't the cause of populational differences."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that the Harry Potter Netflix remaster?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSkin colour and facial features are two different things"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\n>I can already tell who is black through their voice, even if they're trying to sound white.\n\nWhat do you mean? What is so different about black voices?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>europeans, middle easterners,\n\nEuropeans and Middle Easterners would IMMEDIATELY stop pretending that they aren't the same fucking race."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>10\n>cuckasoid and nerdgroid\n\nI hate lumping humanity together via skull shapes. There are \"negroids\" who split from each over over 150,000 years ago, and people in West Africa like the Fula who shift towards \"Caucasoid\" appearances but are only 20% West Eurasian, just like African Americans."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nKek. Middle Easterners can't even unite all Muslims."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\nLmao you just posted hatty potter, way to not prove your point.\nHow about trying it with an actual sandnog? Oh right, you can't because it would ruin your argument."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nWhat’s different is the language, the open ended vowels and words ending in diphthongs along with the lack of hard consonants make people speak a certain way, usually in a deeper register.\n\nFor a similar experience see Japanese, Japanese men and women have uncommonly deep voices compared to English speakers, especially men, because of how they’re language is structured."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlackpipo"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nSource of this graph?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>14\n>Those dravidian brow ridges\nMajority of modern pajeets (original paleolithic pajeets were asian homo erectus with huge brow ridges) don't have big brow ridges, In fact, north and east Europeans with high ANE probably have significantly bigger brow ridges than pajeets on average."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>3\nHe had no fucking clue because he was just talking out of his ass about shit he had no clue about"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>8\nThese albino pajeets look like square jawed ANE Finns."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if everyone becomes white\nAfrica suddenly has an even worse health crisis due to an explosion of skin cancer\n>if everyone becomes dark-skinned\nFlu epidemics in Northern Eurasia and Canada become much worse because now everyone had vitamin D deficiencies."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>8\nThey look much better than russians."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\nDo you need to be handheld to take a shit? Do your three handlers read images out to you?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\nYes"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hagrid you dumbass muthafucka"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Live in Bongland\n>Called African-American\nlolwut"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngenocides have been done between ethnic groups of the same color on every continent.\nWe'll always find a way to segregate."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Harry Potter takes place in England\n>African American\nAmericans really are the dumbest most mentally ill people on the fucking planet, aren't they?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj0k4amfEHA&t=144s [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which of the pre-colonial civilizations of the American continent do you think is the best:\nNorth America:\nCherokee\nNavajo\nsioux\nApache\niroquois\ncomanche\nHopi\nblack foot\ncrow\nseminole\nOther (they have to be before 1492)\nMesoamerica (Latin America):\nincas\nAztecs\nOlmecs\nToltecs\npatagones\nAnother (MUST BE FROM BEFORE 1492) -all must be real- and tell me why you think it is the best"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Which of them niggas hunted mammoths doe"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAztecs had absolute god tier aesthetic"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIroquois by a mile in North America, their confederation was among the most complex, stabile and powerful forms of government the Pre-Colombian Americas had ever seen, was up there with the Quechua Incan Empire and Mesoamericans in its prime, even managed to conquer and expand into a Great Lakes/Ohio river empire during the Beaver Wars (which Europeans made sure was almost immediately dismantled after the conflict, but its still something). Still missing some of of North Americas finest though:\n>Cahokia\n>Haida and the PNW\n>Dorset and Thule\n>Great Lakes Copper Culture\nPeople really sleep on North America, definitely not as immediately visible or famous as their southern counterparts, but if you know where to look and what to look for there’s some top notch Kino to find"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nClovis culture, did a lot of Mammoth genocide back in the good ol days"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Mapuche are the only ones who fought a war against an european empire and won"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLakota/Sioux were pretty cool. Great Spirit religion, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse.."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall of the north american tribes were pretty much shit if you are strictly talking about \"pre-colonial\" ie no horse, no firearms, no metal tools, etc."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>no metal tools\nGreat Lakes copper was worked for thousands of years by North American natives, was spread across the entire eastern half of the continent, from modern New England and Southern Canada to Cahokia and the lower Mississippi River, and they displayed considerable proficiency in its shaping/utilization as weapons, tools and ceremonial decoration\n>No Horse\nNothing native North Americans could do about the complete lack of large domesticated animals on the continent, all there could have been died out completely at the end or even during the last glacial maximum, sometimes before humans ever even stepped foot on the continent. Definitely just dealt a shit hand in that regard, and considering the immense advancements and social/political transformations natives went through immediately after taming animals like horses, one can’t help but wonder just how different things would have been had they been able to do so thousands of years earlier. Firearms (at the very least the hand-held versions) were also a relatively new and very rudimentary technology to Europeans in 1492, so I don’t see that as much of a flex either"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nComanches btfo everyone until the sixshooter was invented."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\ni'm not saying \"brownies SUCK\" i'm saying the tribes people romantice like the Commanche were sitting around mountains freezing their asses off living off roots and berries before colonization."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAnon i'm pretty sure the comanches lived in the desert"}, {"id": 13, "content": "incans by far"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nFair enough, your not totally wrong so can’t argue with that, North America was rough living for everyone even after European contact, can’t develop to the extent of their American and Old World counterparts in regions where nature fucked you more than it helped you and survival was always a ceaseless priority\n>>12\nComanche were actually late arrivals to the Southern Plains and desert, they originated in the Rockies and their closet genetic/linguistic ancestors where very much Great Basin/Rocky Mountain dwellers, they migrated south not unlike the Mexica did in central Mexico"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInca and Andean aesthetic in general is very underrated, something that's rendered worse by the fact 90% of people imagine them as being just the same thing as Mesoamericans"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nMapuche lost tho"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nUSA forces in 2040"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\n>>1 (OP)\nRecommend me books and podcasts on native Americans, bros\nI'm reading mexico: from the olmecs to the aztecs and another book by Michael Coe\nI've read 1491 by Charles man, empire of the summer moon and plan on reading a book about apaches/geronimo"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nMaya and I believe yaquis\nIn the end, they all lost over time if we are being real. But these guys at least resisted into the 20th century or forced the government to sign a treaty"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\n>>13\n>>15\nThere is no competition. The Four Regions — the Empire of Cuzco the city-state – were the Rome of the South American continent, forging a common identity upon the Andean range and forcing the various tribes around them to adapt to their civilization's expansion by centralizing and turning into militaristic societies (like the Mapuche, who notably fought valiantly against even the Europeans) and/or satellite civilization like the Chachapoyas, who weren't even part of the same language group"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose giant naked tribes from the tip of SA"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Haida"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nDo record of them carry samurai blue red white stripe?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>live near giant fucking trees\n>doesn't carve them out to live in them, only take the dead ones to make shitty boats\nyou mean worst, right?\ncould you imagine how kino it would have been to find actual people living in tree-villages\ninstead we got funny totem indians #43"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\n‘Murica, baby!"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nThe Broken Spears: The Aztec Account of the Conquest of Mexico by Miguel Leon-Portilla"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nSelk'nam. Those guys were pretty kino."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>18\n>Popol Vuh\n>The Codex Borgia\n>Parker on the Iroquois\n>Iroquois: People of the Longhouse\n>American Indian Myths and Legends\n>Encyclopedia of Native Tribes of North America\nLots of good options out there anon, hope these help with the search. Anyone have recommendations on Andean civilization books as well? Also trying to find good ones on that, having trouble searching atm"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThe guy on the right is fucking terrifying. Pic related."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nThe flag bearer is called a Pantli but im not sure if it was exactly red white. The blue is meant to be black."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>The blue is meant to be black.\nYeah the part with the white balls is supposed to represent a night sky with stars, the same pattern could be found in shields and warsuits of warrior priests"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nI think the artist might have been inspired by the guy on the right in this pic. The stripes are romanian tricolors instead though"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThose targeteers look so fantastic. God they are so underrated"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>20\nThey fed mummies"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\nThat isn't North American."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\nI like how the Macuahuiltl look in this pic. A lot of people tend to depict them as relatively short clubs but in reality they were fucking huge"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nSo what"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nAnd?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCivilisation is overrated. Ask Mapuche."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nThey allowed mummies to OWN land and have their own estates full of servants."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nHow has lack of civilization turned out for them?"}, {"id": 42, "content": "aquaculture > agriculture"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nSounds unfathomably based to me, makes the mummies of Egyptian royalty look like fucking peasants in comparison, would expect nothing less from Incan BVLLS"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">No Caral-Supe\n>No Poverty Point\n>No Capacha\n>No Chavin\n>No Epi-Olmec\n>No Paracas\n>No Nazca\n>No Zapotec\n>No Moche\n>No Classic Veracruz\n>No Wari\n>No Teotihuacan\n>No Hopewell\n>No Recuay\n>No Teuchitlan\n>No Tiwanku\n>No Mixtec\n>No Sican\n>No Ancesteral Pueblo\n>No Huastec\n>No Chimu\n>No Totonac\n>No Mississippians\n>No Otomi\n>No Purepecha\n\nOP's list was clearly just taken from some random strategy game and didn't involve research; they even grouped all of latin america in as \"Mesoamerica\", which is wrong\n\nI didn't even get into any of the non-urba/proto-urban groups that are still rad and are missing from the list like the Tlingit\n\n>>3\n>>unknown\n>>23\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\nThe artist is Mossacannibalis, they took that pantli color scheme from a specific codex page but I can't pull it up at the moment\n\n>>36\nJudging by the variety seen in codices and the surviving (or till-recently-surviving) specimens, the lengths could vary considerably. What's seen in that art is in line with some of the photos of the Madrid Armory specimen where it's fuckhuge, though unusually it is shown as much smaller in the lithograph scale, so some people think the photos show replicas the museum made.\n\n>>6\n>>10\n>>16\n>>19\nThe Chichimeca tribes of Northern Mexico also beat the Spanish and Mesoamerican allied armies enough that they sort of just gave up and never bothered to fully conquer them. Nomadic and politically fragmented groups have an easier time avoiding colonization sincerespectively A: they're not bound to sedentary population centers, and can just relocate and play hit and run instead, and B: since you can';t just topple a regional power and have a lot of their subjects fall in line, but have to individually>>18\nconquer many different groups/states\n\n1/?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>18\nHighly recommend “A journey to the northern ocean”. Samuel Hearne’s personal account of the coppermine expedition, an epic overland trek through the Arctic/sub Arctic, from start to finish the expedition covered around 8000km, walking.\n\nThe book mainly covers his dealings with the Dene, as well as cree and Inuit. Very detailed accounts of inter-tribal politics, native methods of hunting, fishing, shelter, etc."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nHere’s an abbreviated excerpt that’s pretty amusing. Hearne recounting the French raid on fort Albany in 1704.\n\n>In the middle of the night the French came before the fort\n>marched up to the gate and demanded entrance\n>Mr Barlow who was on watch told them that the governor was asleep but he would get the keys immediately\n>the French hearing this expected no opposition and flocked up to the gate as close as they could stand\n>Barlow took advantage of this opportunity\n>instead of opening the gate, only opened two portholes\n>where two six-pounders stood loaded with grapeshot which were instantly fired\n>this discharge killed great numbers of the French"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\namericans still have that to this day. Its called a last will and testament."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>Totonac\n\nSome kino moments right there."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>41\nThey put a much better fight against invaders compared to Incas."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>44\n>Teotihuacano residences\nAre these Aztec?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nNo. Much older than Aztec Empire."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>>51\nThe Aztecs we wuzzed as Teotihuacan and the Toltecs hard to justify their preeminence in central Mexico, not unlike how the HRE claimed to have been the true and direct continuation of the Roman Empire (as did the Ottomans) and Timur as the true heir of Ghengis Khans conquests. In reality of course, none of these later empires had any direct connection to their claimed ancestors beyond some rhetorical trappings and occupations of some former lands."}, {"id": 53, "content": "Nations of North West Coast (Kwakwakaʼwakw, Coast Salish etc)\n>>1 (OP)\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zI6NadpG4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>how the HRE claimed to have been the true and direct continuation of the Roman Empire\nSuccessor of WRE since 486/800, anon"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>the pope said...\nMeans just as much as \"the high priest of Tenochtitlan said...\"."}, {"id": 56, "content": "Me on the ground"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nWhat's up with korean porn artists becoming interested in historically accurate Aztecs of all things? First that furry guy now this"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nI’m not complaining, any accurate depiction of Pre-Colombian Americans is appreciated over most everything else that gets put out, even if it’s by degenerate Korean coomers, for some bizarre reason"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>31\n>>56\nIs there more info on the Aztec war priest thing? Seems like something that would be more well-known"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>46\n>>45\nSounds cool man thanks. Do they have maps and figures? Battle stuff seems interesting but sometimes it's hard to picture since there is usually lack of details and or pictures to visualize\nI'm going to read a book named something lime cuerno vaca which is about a Spanish expedition into the US territory. Seems similar"}, {"id": 61, "content": "VGHHH"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>5\n>he fell for the overkill myth"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>51\nCrazy how we still don't know what language these fuckers spoke because they didn't have a full-fledged writing system, something that was likely deliberate of their part since they had regular and direct contact with the Classical period Maya, who most certainly did have one"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmy personal favorite is Missisipi, theyw ere Aztec-tier civ but in North America\nbut, please define civilisation. I think you conflate ethnic groups and civilisation."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nYou're either overestimating the Mississippians or underestimating the Aztec here.\n\nCahokia, the largest Mississippian site, had like 20,000 denizens, give or take 10k. The largest Aztec city, Tenochtitlan (see >>61), had 200,000"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>9\n>Great Lakes copper was worked for thousands of years by North American natives, was spread across the entire eastern half of the continent, from modern New England and Southern Canada to Cahokia and the lower Mississippi River, and they displayed considerable proficiency in its shaping/utilization as weapons, tools and ceremonial decoration\nCold hammered copper since it was found with remarkable purity in a small area near the great lakes, however.\nSmelting never made it past Mesoamerica."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nPast north of Mesoamerica? Yes.\n\nBut smelting was a thing south of Mesoamerica. Mesoamerica actually got metallurgy from it spreading from South America"}, {"id": 68, "content": "I'm quite fond of the Tlingit. Nice aesthetics, acceptable battle record, and there's just something about a sendentary hunter-gatherer civ.\nAlso, dem beards.\nAnd since it came up earlier, I'd suggest that the Tawantinsuyu (Inca) had a lot more in common with China than they did with Rome. heavily centralised, massive bureaucracy, tight state control, rapid expansion. They were basically the Qin of South America.\nIf one looks for an American Rome, it's the Aztecs. Social advancement through battlefield deeds, establishment of a vassalage system with mutual benefits, any excuse for a war, small colonies everywhere, nobody gives a shit about what you're doing with your property as long as you heed the call to arms.\nIt's not a perfect match, since the triple alliance was still a monarchy, but it comes the closest.\nAnd then we have Tlaxcala, perennial enemies of the Aztecs, who were an actual Republic whose political system was damn near a 1 : 1 copy of middle Roman republic.\nTake Aztec military success and territorial expansion and put the Tlaxcalan political system on top, and you have Mesoamerican Rome."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>64\nNot quite Aztec-tier but better than most people expect for the indians of the modern US"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">3rd largest state in the Americas by the time of contact\n>no one fucking gives a shit"}, {"id": 71, "content": "dssf"}, {"id": 72, "content": "were all aztec banners carried on the back or only the ones meant to represent individual warriors rather than army coordination? most sources i've read have conflicting information on it"}, {"id": 73, "content": "for me, it's the classic-late classic Maya"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nMe on the left"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>70\nHow the fuck were they conquered so fast?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nb4 they consider the aztec world one city"}, {"id": 77, "content": "Well I lost all the other shit I was gonna reply with, but\n\n>>18\n>>26\n>>28\n>>45\nIf you want more Mesoamerican stuff, if you want more, I also have a whole giant resource collection on mesoamerica history here, https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11344989/#11348775 including a pastebin of other notable dumps i've done, a book mega, and an art drive, but sadly the pastebin and art drive I haven't had time to update in like 3+ years (and some of the older stuff in the pastebin has issues i'd correct these days) and currently the mega is down (and also needs to be updated before it's reuploaded)\n\nI do, however, have a temporary reupload of the mega, plus some semi sorted (all of the semi sorted ones) and some unsorted files (only some of them) that hadn't been added to it yet, which you can find here:\n\neasyupload DOT io SLASH m SLASH gqo4g1\neasyupload DOT io SLASH m SLASH pe0a7a\neasyupload DOT io SLASH m SLASH zf97ek\n\nRegarding the one anon suggesting broken spears, keep in mind that these days it is considered somewhat dated for focusing on accounts that present the Mexica and other groups as being passive victims in the face of Spanish Conquest.\n\nIf you want stuff focusing on the Conquest, I would suggest 7 Myths and When Montezuma Met Cortes; see pic"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\nUnfathomably based choice"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>3\nUSA USA USA USA"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nIt kinda was"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">teotihuacan\nchichimec ubermensch civilizing otomí olmecs and conquering mayan olmecs\n>toltecs\nchichimec ubermensch talking directly with god to civilize otomí and mayan olmec servants\n>aztecs\nchichimec ubermensch ridding mesoamerica off otomí olmec genetic trash"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>he thinks the Toltec actually existed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">there’s been hundreds of different concepts of how diseases spread throughout human history but only yours exists\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real\n\n>there have been thousands of different accounts of how the earth was formed throughout human history but only yours exists\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real\n\n>There have been millions of different theories on how babies are formed in the womb throughout human history but only yours exist\n>the others are silly made up bullshit\n>but not yours\n>yours is real."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>>/x/ please"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I want a curtain of men and armor up the moment the call comes in. Over-flights on the rivers are ready to pick off civs trying to cross. The bridges are wired and blocked by armor. Once we're primed, nothing unsanctioned gets on or off the island."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Pretty sure I've seen this same thread three or four times now. Cope and seethe over whatever all that shit (you) posted)."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>he said while posting in the thread\nYou seethe because you know the logic is correct\nAnd you’ve been ass blasted time and again in thread after thread"}, {"id": 6, "content": "yeah the spamming is getting particularly bad lately, no?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWouldn’t post the thread again if The last one was still up / had there been any coherent refutation of the point\nI STILL se this retarded faggot quote posted time and again on here\nI will continue to refute it until the belief that it is a serious argument is driven from the fucking internet"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don’t need to spam the exact same thread to get your point across. Everyone on this board who isn’t one despises fedoras. It’s understood."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>yours is real\nbecause it was discovered through experimentation and observation, unlike any religion, spirit, magic, or god"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever seen this thread because I'm not a bogdweller. Safe to assume there's no rebuttal to come here."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>because it was discovered through experimentation and observation\nReally anon?\nPray tell what experiments/observations have you encountered that demonstrated to you the empirical validity of germ theory or helocentricism, or cell theory??\nBecause unless you personally work directly it any of these fields; I’m pretty fuckin sure the whole of the\n>”proof”\nYou have is second hand accounts by culturally elevated institutions whose data you have no real way to verify\n(Except of course in the limited, unscientific, anicdonatal experiences of your day to day life; IE the EXACT fucking basis upon which Christian’s justify their faith)\nYou aren’t any more rational\nYour beliefs are no more well founded\nYou are (quite literally and dorectly) operating off the same leap of faith EVERYONE else is\nFor fuck sake you can’t verify the validity of your senses; which you use as a gauge to show all things to b “valid”"}, {"id": 12, "content": "What is it about Ricky Gervais that gets religious nuts so mad?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nEvery here a Christian ask\n>”if we evolved from apes why are there still apes??”\nThat’s basically the intellectual level of his atheist “arguments”"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Piloting a Grey Goose is a tough job. Swinging a 25,000 pound heli down to safe touchdown on Seventh Avenue, now that is another thing altogether. Lucky I'm just that damn good."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou never answered.\nWhere is your proof your God exists and all the others are wrong?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nbased."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Show me evidence that any other theory of diseases is true, that the Earth formed any other way, or that babies are formed any other way.\n*crickets*"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>Fedoraposter when someone calls out his hypocrisy"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually there has only been one God so far :)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nIf there were a god he wouldn't let himself get mogged by the Abrahamic god like we see, so only the Abrahamic god can be real."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\nHere is a refutation: Things like germ theory have evidence for them, your religion doesn’t."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">compares obseverable science to God\n>anons itt: \"nO reButTAL1!!\"\nit's interesting how your brain works"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>different concepts of how diseases spread\n>different accounts of how the earth was formed\n>different theories on how babies are formed\nSome of these theories are more believable than others because they have more evidence to back them up.\nAll religions have the exactly same amount of evidence (0) to back themselves up.\nA smarter person would understand this. But you couldn't"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\n>the empirical validity of germ theory\nWashing hands."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\nhe is a smug bastard that thinks he knows more than everyone else, is highly condescending and has weak arguments. To top it off he is a comedian. Jesters were never respected and eventually their novelty wore off and kings would kill the annoying bastards. Nowadays we have to suffer their ignorance perpetually."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nYet retards are still seething about him. The quote in question isn't even bad in question. What make my hypothetical non-Abrahamic god not real but the Christian god real?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe exact same concept can be twisted around to him that every culture since the dawn of time has a quest for the divine but his ideology is the sole one that rejects such a search they are all wrong for doing this, but you are right? . i would never actually use this argument of course because it's just as stupid as his one"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nit's bad because just because there is a zillion wrong answers to a question, it doesn't change the fact that there is a right answer. a young child can understand this concept. it's a bad argument and there are far better arguments an atheist could make. Gervais is not an atheist because he knows what he is talking about, rather because he really hasn't thought about it as much as he talks about it"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nChristians would then rattle off why Christianity is different to other religions. it's a waste of time and isn't a solid position"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>it's bad because just because there is a zillion wrong answers to a question\nYou mean there are countless gods?\n\n>it doesn't change the fact that there is a right answer.\nyou mean my pagan god is the right one?\n\n>it's a bad argument and there are far better arguments an atheist could make.\nIt's not really that hard to comprehend. What makes countless other gods in Africa and Asia not real but the god one professes as their's the real one?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>You mean there are countless gods?\ni think you misunderstood. in my analogy there are not multiple answers, if you think there are then you can argue that\n>you mean my pagan god is the right one?\nthat is for the worshipper to claim and argue further\n>It's not really that hard to comprehend. What makes countless other gods in Africa and Asia not real but the god one professes as their's the real one?\nthat just goes further into a different argument. that is exactly my point. Gervais argument isn't really an argument. the statement will just be shrugged off and leads into arguing for a particular God or belief system. do you understand that if someone were to actually bring up a lot of points as to why their God is the real one that you would have to respond to that? they could potentially make a lot of valid points that make their claims seem more likely than other religions. how would Gervais respond?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tribal magical thinking: \"this particular fucking feather is literally god\"\n\n>polytheism: \"my people have passed down stories of inmortal beings that I mythologically hold as the cause of natural phenomena. Time to sacrifice a shit load of sheep to this god, but not that one, so maybe I win my next military campaign. Don't fuck with me Apollo, come on please.\"\n\n>God of Christianity: He who Is (Exodus 3:14, Revelation 1:8), that is, Being itself and what it necessarily follows from it being discussed by history's philosophical and theological biggest heavy hitters with the help of greek philosophy\n\nyeahh..."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nLiterally just nicked some attributes from Aristotle and slapped them into a Jewish war god tbqh senpai."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThe New Testament nicked atributes from Aristotle and slapped them into a jewish war god? Care to elaborate?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\nYeah? and how did (you) know that washing will kill microorganisms on your hands? Have you -even just once- actually put your hands under the microscope and compare the washed and unwashed hands? NO. (You) simply BELIEVE your local doctor who say 'washing hand kills germs.'\n(You) are not intellectually superior. (You)'re no different than those religionist you always love to mock as \"\"mindless sheep.\"\""}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>Yeah? and how did (you) know that washing will kill microorganisms on your hands? Have you -even just once- actually put your hands under the microscope and compare the washed and unwashed hands? NO\nNot him but I’ve actually seen it and you should have personally experienced washing things get rid of the slime and/or smell of bacteria at some point.\n\nThe fact that christcels need to try and pretend germ theory isn’t true or is a religious leap of faith is a testament to how far they’ve fallen.\nJust writhing on the sidewalk giving out a death rattle"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nNot him but how can I believe you? How can I know that there's bacteria in those slimes or from the smells? But I still believe what the doctor say about it nevertheless.\nNo one's denying germ theory, stop trying to oversimplify and change the goalpost. OP was talking about the attitude towards the theory, not the theory itself."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nYou can gather all kinds of proof that bacteria causes sickness and soap kills it. Nothing close to the absence of proof your god has for it"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like a cope op.\n\nGod isnt real"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>You can gather all kinds of proof\nSure, but will you do it? No, you wouldn't. It's more efficient to just believe what the experts say and move on.\n>proof your god\nYou will never move the goalpost. We're not talking about whether God is real or germs theory is not."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>18\nShow me “proof” that any of the products of my senses are emperically correct"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>22\nHere’s a refutation to that “refutation”\nUnless your willing to totally dismiss eye witness testimony (the thing which has determined the guilt of people sentenced to death under English common law)\nThere IS infact evidence (literally and definitionally) for my religion.\nTo claim there is not is to hold religion to a higher standard of evidence then all other maters of fact; which is incoherent"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>24\n> All religions have the exactly same amount of evidence (0) to back themselves up.\nSe:\n>>43\n>>25\nSe\n>>36"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nSupernatural shit is always held to a higher standard of evidence. You'll trust the eyewitness testimony of a guy saying he saw a red car, but will you trust the eyewitness testimony of a guy saying he saw a red ghost?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>n-n-NO\nNot an argument"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n> Supernatural shit is always held to a higher standard of evidence.\nYes; specifically by people who have never thought critically about anything they believe and don’t give a shit about intellectual consistency.\nIf you are trully coming with the Devine there is nothing\n>”supernatural”\nAbout that interaction; it is merely a hitherto unknown aspect of the natural world (just such as the splitting off the attom or regenerative properties of stem cells)\nThere is no coherent way to hold any specific natural phenomena to a higher standard of evidence then any other aspect of natural phenomena\nYou live in a world where light acts either as a particle or a wave depending on if it’s observed by a conscious mind\nWhere half the gravity in the known universe goes unaccounted for and double blind studies have found individuals capable of precognition\nThere is nothing specific about the existence of a diety which warrants it being held to a higher level of scrutiny then fucking quantum mechanics (other then of course your own intellectual dishonesty)\n> You'll trust the eyewitness testimony of a guy saying he saw a red car, but will you trust the eyewitness testimony of a guy saying he saw a red ghost?\nWas the first man to watch an atomic detonation less justified to believe his senses then the fifth??\nWhat about the first to set foot on the moon??\nNovel and fantastic aspects are revealed every fucking day anon.\nAgain the only reason to hold interaction with a diety to a higher standard then any of that shit\nIs\nFucking\nIntellectual\nDishonesty"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nRember to take a picture when you see God"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDiseases are actually real, your totem pole shit isn't"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nDo you believe the man who says he saw a red car, or the man who says he saw a red ghost, or neither, or both?"}, {"id": 51, "content": "There are an infinite number of incorrect answers to the mathematical problem 1+1=?. There is only one correct answer. Do the literally countless incorrect answers have any bearing on the correctness of the correct answer?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nNot believing the red ghost story\nIs\nFucking\nIntellectual\nDishonesty"}, {"id": 53, "content": "I'd think the rise in life expectancy once public health authorities acted on it proves germ theory. Ultrasounds and such prove modern theories of fetal development.\nPlanet formation isn't a process we understand super well, but there's evidence through astronomy and geology we can go on.\nThat's the thing with science. We have proof. Not \"a guy said it once\" but actual, testable proof."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>48\nAnon you do realize northern lights didn’t show up on film till the 1970s right??\nYou could literally have said the same to a Norwegian in 1950 with the same level of self assurance that a legitimate natural phenomena didn’t exist\nIs it really that surprising to you that human beings who evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to detect natural phenomena might be still better equipped to view some of that phenomena then our higher instruments are even at this late date??\nIf IT IS sincerely id ask you to ask chat gpt to tell you a joke sometime; se how perfect our contraptions are at determining patterns"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\n>things not being real are determined by anonymous anons online saying they aren’t and no argument or proof is necessary\nThe height of atheist intelligentsia ladies and gentlemen\n>>50\nIf I trust the man?\nBoth."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nThis\n>>53\nIt gives EVIDENCE to germ theory anon\nBut as I’m sure you are fond of reminding EVERYONE when someone being up race and IQ:\n>”correlation does not equal causation”\nIn statistics there is fundimentally NO WAY past a point that one can determine a third factor is not independently informing the data beyond our perception; there is no 100% certainty\nAll we have to go off is evidence\nAnd when you accept this as a point of fact??\nThe experience and outcomes religious people HAVE infact provided throughout human history cannot be dismissed."}, {"id": 57, "content": "The mind makes the world. If you want to discover germs and pictures of germs, you will. If you believe germs are evil spirits you will never see a germ in your life even if you use a microscope."}, {"id": 58, "content": "This is why I like the concept of Allah. There is no external god, no man who was god, and no weird animal mystical creature that is god.\n\nI've been atheist my whole life but if I had to choose the most legit God, Muslims have got it right"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Argument from inconsistent revelations\nhttps://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumento_de_las_revelaciones_inconsistentes#Respuestas_te%C3%ADstas\nCouldn't find it in English.\nIn short:\n>Catholics believe reason and natural philosophy have directed men towards God, that the rest of religions have bits of Truth ingrained.\nMuch like what St. Paul said using the unknown god of the Athenians."}, {"id": 60, "content": "Its simply someone saying wait how can all of these polytheistic headcanons on how existence works be true at the same time\nA religion says we came from a void\nAnother says we came from a really fucking big tree in another higher plane\nAnother says we came from nowhere we were always here the gods just like created stuff"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>12\nHe's a rich homosexual liberal and gervaisfag is a southern Baptist living below the poverty line in Bumfarkansas.\n\nYou do the math."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "theres no way to have a logical nuanced discussion about your faith on the internet with strangers\nall religion threads are just flame wars\ni mean i know this is a bangladeshi kite testing forum but is it too much so ask for a religions board do we can clear up 50% of this board for /pol/ lite shitposting and scizo theories?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShut up. This is now a thread dedicated to Our Blessed Holy Mother Mary The Queen of Heaven"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Look, we all don't like it but /his/ has been designated as the containment board for these 8kun refugees.\nYou just need to wait until they become so deranged that they migrate to /x/"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>theres no way to have a logical nuanced discussion about your faith on the internet with strangers\nTheres no way to have a logical nuanced discussion about fucking anything on the internet with strangers. Why are you singling out religion, cuck?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why do video games and anime get to have a dozen separate boards for every single niche category, but all the humanities have to share one board with each other? We should have a religion and philosophy board. Hiro said boards can decide what they want and don't want to help change the board for the better. We have been telling the mods to make a religion board for several months."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWho do you think added & Humanities to the board in the first place, anon?\nHiroshimoot enabled these retards to be confident in posting outside of /x/ and /mlp/"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt doesn't need to stay this way though if the mods would just listen to us. There used to be 3 video game boards now there are 7. Mods were making tons of new boards a couple years ago. They made /bant/ just to move some of the off topic threads somewhere off of /pol/. /rel/ can be the new containment board for them."}, {"id": 8, "content": "The mods are heavily compromised. They won't do shit, they're probably some of the biggest shit stirrers here."}, {"id": 9, "content": "https://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing idiots"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThey are the biggest shit niggers here. A lot of them raid their own board with their faggot discord friends. We need an uprising against them, but im not smart enough to figure out how to out mod the mods"}, {"id": 12, "content": "I actually see quite a bit of earnest discussion between the different flavors of Christianity. I've learned a lot from them.\n\nAtheist vs Religion debates are retarded as always though, you simply can't convince someone to believe or disbelieve in one sitting."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligious posters don't want /rel/ because they don't want to discuss their religions with their in-group, they want to preach."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're trying to dupe gullible children into joining their cults"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should i change something? I feel the colors are too bright and the lines too thick, but I'm also questioning wether i should even continue drawing these. I have 39 more of these planned, but something in the artstyle is cringe"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't like the arms, everything else looks fine enough especially that juicy cameltoe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>cringe\nYou mean besides the fact that you’re drawing cartoons of historical figures with tits and camel toes?\n\nI dunno, the composition is extremely repetitive, with no element larger than the next so nothing particularly jumps out at the viewer"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Stop reducing the accomplishments of great MEN to retarded coomer shit.\nYou're one step from trooning out."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf it's a genderbent work shouldn't Zenobia be a man?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Should I change something\nYes. That cringe art style"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Cameltoe is very /his/torical"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nShe had futa bulge, anon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStuff"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "which side has the best history?\nwhich one is the most humane?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly the blue triangle is inhabited by humans"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>which side has the best history?\nMy side.\n>which one is the most humane?\nMy side."}, {"id": 4, "content": "there is nothing wrong with eurocentrism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nEurope is literally not on the centre of the map THOUGH"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>which side has the best history?\n>which one is the most humane?\nUruguay, so yellow"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the center of the triangule makes center almost in ethiopia where oldest homo remains have been found"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Blue and it's not even close"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/int/ thread"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>which side has the best history?\nBlue > Red > Green > Yellow\n>which one is the most humane?\nBlue > Green > Red >Yellow"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShit map."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nYou will never have a real ethnostate"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nBased illiterate retard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngreen\ngreen"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nWhat's the issue with yellow?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nsorry, i meant red"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nsorry, i meant yellow, southern cone latinos and khoi-khoi people are the only good people on earth"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\nSPBP"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Quebec just barely makes it\n>Montréal most likely does not\nON Y EST ARRIVÉS LES BOYS, ON FAIT PARTI DES GRANDS"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>which side has the best history?\nred. shit get's wild as fuck.\n>which is the most humane\ngreen and it isn't even close."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">best history\nblue\n>most humane\nyellow because they're the least relevant. You will never become a great power by being a pussy"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\n>>9\n>>11\n>>22\nIt's purple, not fucking blue, you colorblind retards."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "For the effects of the judeo-bolshevist invasion and occupation of their country, repeated massacres, etc?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No, but Germany and Russia should."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">judeo-bolshevist invasion and occupation of their country\nno such thing. Prove it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nRussia was also a victim of judeo-bolshevism tho"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNo, Russia willingly participated in the system. Minorities were the biggest victims of the Soviet system, not Russians. The majority of murderers and rapists were Russians, not Jews."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWe also see it today. Russia isn't ruled by Jews anymore, but they still act like barbarians and support expansionist dreams of their deranged rulers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThe Germans were forced to give up a fifth of their territory to Poland and have been pumping a shit tonne of money into the Polish economy for the last 3 decades, why the fuck should they pay even more?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "As a Polack no but I definitely would like to see them to acknowledge the fact that their ethnic brethren were vastly overrepresented among the willing executioners of the Bolshevik terror. If I have to atone for Jedwabne etc. then so do they. There's clearly no symmetry between discussing Jewish and Easter Euro-goyish suffering since any serious discussion of Jewish involvement in communism will share the fate of \"Two Hundred Years Together\" or \"The Culture of Critique\" - banned and censored, known only to a small minority of devoted /pol/troons"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe thing about world wars is you have to win them because if you don't you don't get to make the rules"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nor you just have to endlessly whine about them afterwards due to crippling mental illness, till people give you money just to buy some quiet."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nisreal is not real"}, {"id": 12, "content": "much easier to track down the actual descendants of the communist leaders down to commissar level, then punish them/ask for reparations/humiliate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nThe rules have already been made, you can't just rewrite them 78 years later and expect that everyone will abide by it."}, {"id": 14, "content": "The jews were already punished by adolf \"divine punishment\" hitler. He was an austrian-born german politician, leader of the national socialist german workers party"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, Jews want to massacre gentiles"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nA disproportionate amount of Russian oligarchs are Jewish (similar to Bolshevik officials)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYeah, like Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky and Abramovich"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThat Latino Jewish man is objectively correct, prayer does not stop mass shootings, and all these right wing cucks dodging the real issue at hand can't pray it away. Otherwise Muslims would have prayed away the terrorism radical Muslims have inflicted upon them eons ago."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis isn't /pol/, retard."}, {"id": 20, "content": "by this logic the various other minorties that were over represented during the Soviets founding would also need to pay reps, which you fags always conviently leave out when complaining about jews"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYES, of course:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46So3Al5aGM [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XrE50HmkQ [Embed]\n\nDamn Jews:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFyusLqBVK8 [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU7e4KlC2NM [Embed]\n\nJust despicable:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBQ4xDg1oY0 [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyMSWBfgTpg [Embed]\n\nP.S. It's not worth it guys, not worth it..."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nThe so-called oligarchs have no say in Russia. Putin confiscated all the assets of the billionaire Khodorkovsky and got away with it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "GENERALS GATHERED IN THEIR MASSES"}, {"id": 2, "content": "ACK"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">celebrated as a hero\n>all his enemies are seen as evil\n>his legal code dominates the world\ncoalition xixters..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">his legal code dominates the world\nAh yes franquish common law"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Bussin unis and fat asses"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>xixter is so illiterate xer is afraid to give me (You)\nHere's your (You) with that bait CIVIL LAW"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni'm hyped for the film."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJUST LIKE WITCHES AT BLACK MASSES"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI love the fresh gayro cope"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>old man Joaquin as pre-Consul Bonaparte\ndisaster from the beginning"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>rhymes masses with masses\nCome the fuck on, Ozzy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>doesnt get ACK-cked\nFPWP"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLarpy"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nWhy did axis propaganda keep making the US and UK look extremely based?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHere is a good example."}, {"id": 17, "content": "TU NU TUN TUN TUN TUUUN"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\n>Napoléon was then asked why he massacred these degenerates whenever he took them prisoner as opposed to the good treatment of fellow european prisoners of war\nHe did nothing wrong.\n(especially considering his justification was literally saying that he was \"for the whites, because [he] is white.\")"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Fuck Napoleon and fuck french faggots no one speaks your language anymore lmao"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nHappens."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">napoleone di buonaparte"}, {"id": 22, "content": "NOW IN DARKNESS WORLD STOPS TURNING\nASHES WHERE THEIR BODIES BURNING"}, {"id": 23, "content": "fake person\nwhen he returns it becomes too obvious the writer gave up"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like Bonerfart"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the most horrifying war in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican revolutionary war"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW1"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The horror ... the horror"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2 eastern front."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUkraine has to be climbing up there. WWI tactics (and equipment) with latest gen tech mixed in. Trench warfare at the same time as drone strikes and precision rockets, while artillery is ongoing.\n\nWWI probably takes the cake, though."}, {"id": 7, "content": "The Mongolian conquest of Khwarazm. The area is a depopulated desert to the present day, 750 years later."}, {"id": 8, "content": "NOTHING tops Operation Barbarossa 1941-1945\n\nThe amount of men and materiel destroyed there is nothing short of astounding"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>>6\nAnyone replying WW1 needs to look up the Iran-Iraq war. Same thing but in a desert reaching upto 50 degrees Celsius. With child soldiers, suicide bombers (sometimes both at the same time,) and a whole lot more poison gas."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nThis. Study the partisan War of the South Carolina Backcountry."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople here are ranking by numbers and destruction but Assyrian conquests and Timur's actions sound exceptionally brutal. I wonder how much of it is propaganda. Also we should consider the expansion of Mongoloid people into South China and SEA. Entire Australoid populations raped out of existence."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThat took place in like the 80's. Not really the same as WW1 where a lot of new technologies were being used and so had soldiers falling prey to them."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n\nThat doesnt make it the most horrifying idiot."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>Ukraine has to be climbing up there\nHoly fucking shit the state of this HISTORY board.\n\n>Every soldier is well fed\n>Not dying from dysentery or typhus\n>Not dying from plagues\n>Not dying from climate and weather exposure\n>Not brutalized by their own commanders\n>Not subjected to biological weapons, terrorbombing, gas,\n>Not using scorched earth to kill civilians\n>Combatants largely follow modern sophistiacted conducts of law.\n>Prisoners are not executed en masse\n>Prisoner are not routinely subjected to human experiment or torture.\n>Cities are not completely destroyed. All men are not killed. All women are not enslaved.\n\nBefore the Crimea war, most soldiers would die before even entering combat. Morons."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwar on drugs"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nCrimean War"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nNone of this shit is true except maybe the dysentery part. Stop watching Fox News you retarded drone."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>Prisoner are not routinely subjected to human experiment or torture."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery war fought in the last decades, technology has advanced so much that its not even actual warfare anymore they just unexpectedly drop a bomb on your whole team and you’re blown into pieces"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nDude its a slav war with the added layers of homosexual muslim men. Rape and brutalizing is mandatory, bonus points if you do it to the other side too."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nNot nearly enough systematic violations of human rights to make it competitive."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nPeople have no fucking idea of what wars were like in the past... Ukraine is fucking tame. No, I wouldn't survive a day there. No, I'm not defending the monke subhuman. No, I'm not trying to play tough guy, just saying that objectively war has become a more rare event which causes more disgust (and that's a good thing). The tolerance limits for drafting and sending young kids to the meat grinder are also narrower and monke is pushing them."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nbeing this retarded must hurt"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the Mongol Invasion of Central Asia and Iran or Gothic War\nSome other contenders are The War of the Three Kingdoms, World War One, the Iran Iraq War, the 2003 Invasion of Iraq (from Iraq's point of view), The Chinese Front of WW2, Thirty Years War, and maybe the 2nd Punic War.\n\nThere are others, maybe Asoka's Conquests ranks too."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>4\nFucking (((Emus))), hate those niggas."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery conflict remotely related to Persia and Central Asia was exceptionally horrific, you can't just even pick one in particular"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nThis war is fucking disgusting\nNot WW1 tier, but all these webms are fucking disgusting"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\nIt's a shame you didn't join your fellow redditors in volunteering. It's basically like a Marvel movie. They'll even give you a Captain America pin."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>13\nGo read Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer and get back to me chief"}, {"id": 30, "content": "John Derbyshire (married to a Chinese) proposed the An Lushan Revolt. Admittedly based on Steven Pinker's inflated numbers.\nIt was still really fucking bad. Crippled China's best dynasty the Tang."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>9\nEvery war has terrible atrocities.\nWW1 was experimental warfare halfway between \"old wars\" and \"new wars\" with only the Hague protocols protecting the pawns.\n>Go over the top\n>Machine guns tear you and your friends to shreds\n>You make it out alive only to be killed by hungry rats while recovering from your wounds\n\nNot any better than being blown to pieces by child soldiers in Vietnam, but I'd take that over trench warfare."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\n>they just unexpectedly drop a bomb on your whole team and you’re blown into pieces\nThat's not too bad"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Getting clubbed to death by some German retard with a shovel before the trench foot gets your\nVs\n>Sudden bloody explosion where you are vaporized before you have a second to think about your death\n\nYeah not too bad honestly"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>8\nOperation barabrossa didn't last from 1941 to 1945 brainlet."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUkraine war by far."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>14\nLol. Lmao."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAssurbanipal's final campaign against Elam. Somebody post the copypasta."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>28\n>REDDITREDDITREDDITREDDITREDDITREDDITREDD-\nMay I suggest a dose of Chlorpromazine?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>14\n>dying from dysentery or typhus\n>dying from plagues\n>dying from climate and weather exposure\nBooooring"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n\nIgnore them, they're fucking retarded\n>Ukraine war is one of the worst wars in history!!\n>Why?\n>Because there are no webms of the Thirty year war DUUUUUH fucking redditor!"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>31\n\nMost wounds in ww1 was treatable thanks to antibiotics and better understanding of medical technology\n\nYou recieved a wound in any other war before you were almost certainly going to die, or lose that part of your body.\nEnemies also had no code or law to treat you and would just leave you to die."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nAccording to soldier accounts, both the British and Germans treated POWs quite kindly but of course there are exceptions.\nAdvancements in medicine certainly increased your odds of survival...so you could survive into this and revert to a childlike state whenever you heard a car backfire."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\nThe cartel war far worse"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll of them"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe wars inside of us."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>37\nmy ancestor :)\nt. Armenian"}, {"id": 47, "content": "Paraguayan war\n\nBy the end, starving and nearly naked women, children, and elderly men were fighting without hope. The Brazilians and the coalition absolutely refused to offer dignified terms of surrender from the start, making it inevitable that they would kill nearly every man in Paraguay"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe war of all against all"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>14\nThis is mostly true. I don’t get all the people getting mad at this statement. There was alot more that could kill you then just the enemy."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ninstagram"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nU.S. civil war."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>4\nHOLY FUCKING BASED\nCHINESE COLONY STRAYA BTFO"}, {"id": 53, "content": "Probably Vietnam tbqh"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>35\nWhich one?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>24\n>Mongol Invasion of Central Asia\nThe siege of Baghdad is a contender for the most horrifying event in military history"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>14\nYeah no child soldiers, ukraine is pretty soft comparitive to previous wars"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nThe present one."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThirty Years’ War was pretty gruesome"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2 easy"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>49\nBecause it's incorrect and can easily be disproved by just paying attention to the conflict.\n\n>>14\n>>Every soldier is well fed\n>>Not dying from climate and weather exposure\n>>Not brutalized by their own commanders\n>>Not subjected to terrorbombing\n>>Combatants largely follow modern sophistiacted conducts of law.\n>>Prisoners are not executed\n>>Prisoner are not routinely subjected to human experiment or torture.\n>>Cities are not completely destroyed\nUkraine is obviously not the worst war ever, but all of these points do happen so you're wrong."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVietnam War was pretty terrible for all involved."}, {"id": 62, "content": "The Mongols and then Timur's multiple invasions. You will lose. There is no escape. You will die. Your family will die. Your animals will die. Your city will burn to the ground, never to recover."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>4\n>Aussies tongue my cloaca."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nUnless you were in Shiraz. That city was spared in both invasions."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKitos War"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>52\nIf the Chinese lost to the Japanese, they won’t stand a chance against the Provisional Emu Army."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead about Chinese military history and learn."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>7\n>The area is a depopulated desert to the present day, 750 years later.\nMore to do with changes in climate."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChinese Civil War"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>2\nAs based, interesting and oftentimes brutal as the American Revolution was (especially in the backwoods and within Native lands), I don’t think it even comes remotely close to the all time most brutal conflicts in human history. WW1, Eastern Front of WW2, Punic Wars, Thirty Years War, Mongol Conquests, even the American Civil War were significantly more devastating than it, especially when taking disease, frontline conditions and civilian devastation into account"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>47\nBased choice, but Solano Lopez being one of history’s most astounding clinical retards about absolutely everything going into and throughout the duration of the conflict makes it evident why the Brazilians refused to accept his terms, if he would’ve kept his mouth shut and not chimped out at every conceivable opportunity I doubt the war would’ve gotten as bad as it became"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>62\nYeah, this, especially if you lived in Georgia. Speaking of Timur, how does a man order the construction of skull pyramids without being feeling like a villain from a fairy tale?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>65\nkek jewish dirlegang"}, {"id": 74, "content": "The Russian subjugation of the Circassians was also fucked up."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2 takes the cake I think, industrialized genocide is a step up from the Bronze Age tribal genocide.\nIt's one thing to have horsemen with arrows try and exterminate you, but having a fully modern industrial country launch a rampage of annihilation against you (if you're Polish or Belarusian) is a whole new level of horrorshow imo.\nYou just know that if they won, the Nazis would have eventually used infrared cameras and drones to hunt down any Polacks hiding in the forest."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>41\n>Most wounds in ww1 was treatable thanks to antibiotics\nAntibiotics didn't exist in WWI. Fleming developed Penicillin in 1928, and only the Allies mass produced it in WWII.\nReinhard Heydrich literally died from a bad infection, in 1940s Germany."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe war between men and women.\n\nNot so many people died. But the psychological damage can never be healed."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>Not so many people died.\nover 63 million children did."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nHave sex, incel"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever the fuck the Assyrians did\nI mean holy shit, it's one thing to have your enemies write atrocity propaganda about you, but these mfers were BRAGGING about what they did."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n\nPreety underated but the war of 1812 was horifying. A fresh new nation at war on many differnt sides internally and externally. Possibly facing extinction after being born in blood. With massacres from Indian tribes really setting the grim tone\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Mims_massacre"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>60\nprove it?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>64\nIt went to shit anyway under turk and mongol rule"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>60\n\n>These points do happen\nThey aren't applied as a standard of norms throughout the war. If it occurs its more a matter of incidents than a regularity.\n\n>They still happen\nAnd I wrote \"Largely\" didn't I?\n\nYou're comparing incidents of executions and torture to wars where the enemy would by default execute tens or hundreds of thousands of prisoners after a single battle.\nYou compare a city being destroyed due to being between moving frontlines of two armies using high explosive arsenals, to when an enemy would simply systematically destroy a city even when captured intact and kill its inhabitants even when the fighting is over.\nYou compare incidental deaths to weather exposure during combat, to wars when 1/3 of all soldiers would be dead or suffering from frostbite during a single march, and much of the civilian population would be dead in its wake as soldiers are meant to plunder and scorch to self-supply the campaign.\n\nThis thread is merely a testimony of the stupidity of 4chan users because they're highly impressionable by the video footages of the war they now believe its one of the worst conflicts in the world."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Assuming current trends continue, where will future historians mark the beginning of the decline of the Great American Empire?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe stolen 2020 election"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSnivel rights era"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni think we all know the answer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nYou're not White though"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDemocrats want to genocide Asian folx"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThat's horrible. You should go back to your gook country where that won't happen."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNot till America gives me a fully funded ethnostate and reperations like the Jews"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nSo not the Great Financial Crisis of 2008? Or the post-war burden of empire? The 2020s have consistently shown an objective decline in terms of real economic growth, effective governance, civic spirits and national influence matched with rising competition and disunity, but there must have been some significant events beforehand?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2013, the invention of anal marriage means the ruling class had lost its mind and was obsessed with trivialities."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Assuming current trends continue\nthere won't be a sharp decline"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Depending on who wins the eventual cultural civil war it will be either 1964 or 2016."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>gibsmedats\nA true shitskin."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>post-war burden of empire\nIt's this. If America didn't have to maintain an empire they'd be fine. They have defensible borders and friendly neighbors. Nobody would fuck with them and they would have no need to play policeman"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Not history."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>cultural civil war\nSeek employment."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor very long term trends, Southern Strategy + Carter abandoning Labor for FIRE.\nThis shifted the Republicans to Evangelical Idpol shit and shifted the Dems from no longer representing workers nad instead representing the Noveau riche.\n\nReagan = Carter's moved from Labor formalised into an actual ideology and the ethos behind American Government, Neoliberalism. Smug FIRE Libertarianism in a suit, completely destroyed civicism in America, turned all politics to Idpol/celeb shit and is so inherently contradictorary, pretty much doomed America (and the Anglosphere) to a slow decaying zombie like death.\n>>9\n2008 is the obvious one, but 2008 was only a symptom of the contradiction that Neoliberalism has the Anglosphere built on an entirely fake economy."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nI am employed. I'm off today. My shift is also early morning so I can shitpost during the afternoon."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nBut I thought Jews were white Moshe? So, are they parasitic outsiders?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYou know that Whites won't accept you into their countries or political circles no matter how heckin based and racepilled you are right Nguyen?"}, {"id": 21, "content": "I'm European but I'll make an input\n\nThe 2000s marked both peak American global might, but thats likely where the mark will be set for decline.\nThe 2000s is when national debt started becoming an issue for USA. The wars in the middle east will likely also serve as a pinpoint since the enemies were not significantly funded by a rival superpower like in Korea or Vietnam. Starting also with a general social disharmony within USA that culiminated with Obama (Change) and Trump (protectionism), and has today reached a near dividing disunity.\n\nThis is only the prologue, the real decline will likely begin with the rise of China in global geopolitics, real economic downturn, and violent social divide at home.\nWe're only seeing the intro."}, {"id": 22, "content": "America is already showing all the hallmarks of late stage decline"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do people act like the USA is Rome (a multicultural empire which fell), when it's more like France or China (a big country which has enormous cultural influence)?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\nYou're describing results of the decline, not the things that brought the decline about"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's creation."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\nAmerica doesn't have friendly neighbors they have weak neighbors."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nEvery single western country that becomes le big on a map is compared to Rome."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nNeither Mexico nor Canada would throw their lot in with the chinks under any circumstances. Weak or not."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>20\nSo then pay for my ethnostate and I'll leave"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nWe are clearly rome 7"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nWhat ethnicity/nationality of Asia are you?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe War on Terror's aftermath."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\nWhile there is no open system of provinces and absolutist God-Caesars, it has some of the typical features of Empire; there was cooperation with the regional elites of the subject states to maintain an overly stable hegemony (Europe, Japan, Arabia and so on), the prevalence of garrisons in foreign lands (see before), veneration of the military, early expansionist period (independence to ww2 as part of the 'rise' period), hegemonic peace (pax americana). It is not a Classical Empire, or a European Colonial Empire, it is a new category of modern-postmodern imperialism that only the USSR and potentially China could really be compared to."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRight after the assassination of JFK by the CIA. The hedonism and propaganda right now is pure late empire bullshit"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>23\nWeimerica is the textbook definiton of a multicultural empire that is falling apart and it doesn't even have a big influence anymore"}, {"id": 36, "content": "The actual decline of the American empire started when we killed the gold standard in 1971.\nOr maybe better:\nhttps://www.toyotatoday.com/news/60-years-toyota-in-america.htm\n> 1965 : Toyota sells Corona sedan across America"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe 1950's because of the divorce rate (in fault divorce laws no less) after WWII."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>18\nBased and shift-pilled, factory worker? That must be the stuff. Sure beats a 9-5 m-f"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>8\nYou guys literally have several over there. If you don't speak in pingpong, they even have Singapore over there which is basically an engineered Anglochink state that imports China Chongs and teaches them English as a first language to keep it 80% Chong at all times."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1865"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nthey sure seem to be having a big influence in europe right now"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>21\n>the real decline will likely begin with the rise of China in global geopolitics\nChina has peaked in every conceivable way, and I say that as someone who shills them and hates globohomo.\n1. One child policy and current birth rate = large elderly population supported by extremely few working age people.\nAmericans and Europeans can just import more beaners/muslims and keep the ponzi scheme going. There literally isn't a large enough pool of people for China to do that. Let's say your average state has 50M people. You can easily import 10M third worlders to fix that. But 1.4 billion? You would need 200M to support that. That isn't happening even if they wanted it to.\n2. Geopolitical irrelevancy. No nation wants to join team bad guy, so it'll just be the usual crowd, Russia, North Korea, Iran, maybe they might get the taliban on side. This isn't an axis, it's an international z list. There's no scenario where France, Britain, or Germany detatch from the American teet to side with China. They couldn't even get India on side.\n3. The economy. See point 1, but also bear in mind China's classes. 30 years ago they had a literal billion peasants who were happy to die in some Victorian tier factory, now the living standards have improved and they actually have a middle class, a middle class who won't freely suicide themselves for the hive.\n\nAnd the thing is as soon as the demographic problem reaches fruition Xi will lose the mandate of heaven. China's existence stems from them doing well, while the line is going up nothing will happen, but once shiny new maglev bullet trains become rusty scrap because the state can't afford to fund them the Chinese will be revolting.\n\nMy prediction is China coasts under Xi through the 20s, and maybe some of the 30s, the resulting power struggle and corruption brought about by his successor (be it another supreme leader or a committee of embezzlers) will show the cracks, then it's another tiananmen which will only exacerbate things."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\n>and it doesn't even have a big influence anymore\nI don't think you understand what cultural influence is. English is only increasing in speakers worldwide and every Zoomer on this planet picks up on whatever slang black kids in Chicago come up with. American soft power is the most dominant in history, not even Louis XIV could dream of French being spoken by the rulers AND lowliest commoners of every country in Europe (as English is spoken today).\nAlso the USA is really not multicultural lol"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1965 immigration act is the right answer but\n>historians are faggots and won’t write that"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>35\nAmerica isn't multicultural. Just say race you stupid faggot. We all know it's what you retards mean."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>1965\n>almost a century after the US began importing wops and micks\nYou need to go back and take the Mexicans with you."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoint of no return was 9/11. Chosen historians will paint Trump as Nero.\n>>44\nThis."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nHe's correct you boomer-fudd faggot. That act was the death knell of American hegemony and one of the most successful bolshevik actions of the 20th century."}, {"id": 49, "content": "the war with china will decide americas fate. either we win and destroy the cpp leading to the expansion of liberalism and democracy or we lose and china becomes the new number 1."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nNobody wants your Ellis island trash ancestors here any more than goblins from the global south. You. Need. To. Go. Back."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe rise in the black birth rate as abortion right are repealed"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1776"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nThe same bolsheviks signed this bill in some form in every European nation and you know this. Western man has been denied a homeland as a full stop offensive to subjugate him. You get off to this, so enjoy it. Then, enjoy your new slaves in a world devoid of spirit as it crumbles beneath you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what version of the Bible is the least zogged so I can ge t the most accurate scripture instead of /lgbt/ brainwashing"}, {"id": 2, "content": "unironically kjv"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">least Zionist occupied governmented\nSchizo moment\n\nJust read all of them. They're all free online."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnone of the mainstream ones are zogged, most of the translation slapfights are between various prot sects and their strange theories about salvation. People seethe at the NIV because its slanted for evangelicals, not because it goes easy on homos. Choose one that is comfortable for you to read. Chances are you haven't read a book since grade school, so read the NIV."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnime is gay and there isn’t one. The Bible is God’s Word and everyone who starts it believes in Jews. Jews firstly are given the gospel so that they might be saved first. When it was Cain and Abel it was the same way, Cain was told about the curse and he tried to worship God in a way such that he could try to resist it. When God told him it wasn’t working, he only got mad and killed his brother instead of being more like Jacob (later) and simply waiting the curse out and overcoming in the end (like Jesus). Satan is the one who manages to hate and kill and destroy everything and sometimes it is himself (or his own brother)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nI prefer NKJV. What do you think is better about KJV?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nNIV has some dubious translation choices though. 2011 improved some of the older faults (like not always translating \"flesh\" as \"sinful nature\"), but then they introduced too much gender inclusivity. And it's not even consistent. Like when Hebrews quotes Psalms to illustrate Jesus: \"What is man that you are mindful of him? The son of man that you care for him?\" it then makes gender inclusive in the actual Psalm. \"What are people that you are mindful of them?\" It pluralizes it and then takes the attention of the ultimate fulfillment of One Man, that Hebrews was pointing out."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>>/x/ please"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou're not anyone's boss, silly faggot. Get over yourself."}, {"id": 10, "content": "It is at the place which Jews were told they are not God’s people anymore (condemnation), that they are told that they are God’s children again (as it was written). Hence, they can be told about Jesus and accept him and go to heaven as God’s sons once again, but only through asking Jesus into their hearts. There is no other way."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jerusalem Bible but not the new version"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nI'm sorry that my request makes you so upset, I suggest you go eat a delicious fruit and relax."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Douay-Rheims ot KJV\nASV is also pretty good"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDouay-Rheims is the only acceptable English translation of the complete Latin Vulgate\nKing James excises several books from the Bible to fit protestant autism, and is therefore not legitimately Christian"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>convert to catholicism\n>keep the retarded King James Onlyism\nis religious conversion even possible?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Message bible or the Good News bible. The Message bible tells it like it is. The Good News bible simply has easy to understand text."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nPlease be bait."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n> The Word was first,\n> the Word present to God,\n> God present to the Word.\n>The Word was God,\n> in readiness for God from day one.\nKek"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\nstopped reading after isn't\n>>4\ni actually love reading english in general is like the only thing im good at but ive been reading niv anyways just wanted to know\n\n>>14\ni will look into D-R ty"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDouay-Rheims."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>instead of /lgbt/ brainwashing\nThat's any translation Matt 19:12"}, {"id": 22, "content": "How can you read the bible and be antisemitic? How do people reconcile the old testament being completely based upon the Hebrews and Jesus and Paul constantly refer to it?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nbecause if you had read the bible, you'd know the jews are the bad guys."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThey're not? Paul was a Jew,"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nIs one of the the worst translations"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nThe new testament is unironically classified as an antisemitic text by Jewish scholars"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNew King James Version. Or King James Version If you prefer Old English where several words mean something they don't mean anymore in modern English."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nJerome said that a Jewish Christian will end up neither Jewish nor Christian."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>MUH FAAAAAGS\n>DA JOOOOOZ\nWhat are you doing in a universalist religion with the majority of its followers in the global South? If your political views are incompatible with Christianity then just don't convert."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Similar boat OP >>unknown →\n\nI just want a site or blog that highlights the biggest difference between Bible translations so I can decide for myself what sits right with me."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nyeah, that is extremely anti jewish\n\nit strikes at their core belief, that their nation is special to God and priveliged before all others\n\ntell them that is no longer true and Gof has made a new covenant and watch the little hats blow their top"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nhating fags and jews is entirely compatible with a religion based in the global south."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNigger youre worshipping a Jew God. You're Zogged from the very start."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what is the least Jewish version of this Jewish religion"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>actually christianity is judaism\nWhat made atheism become such a trailer park religion? Was it being co-opted by the LGBT movement?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>27\n*Early Modern English\nOld English is Anglo-Saxon"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy not learn the original language so you can read it yourself?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>learn the original language so you can read it yourself?\nwhich manuscript?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nEvery manuscript that makes up the bible."}, {"id": 41, "content": "The non-meme answer would be to take a Koine course online and then read the Septuagint, the Gospels, the Acts, and the Apocalypse in their ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPTION."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>thinks whoever is teaching koine greek isn't going to have an agenda as well\ndumbasses have never really contemplated the nature of authority have they? Not that it matters, zoomers can't read regular fucking books, they aren't going to learn a dead language and then read a huge one."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\n>everyone who disagrees with me is atheist\n>obligatory mention of homosexuals at the first sense of disagreement\nYou know you're going to hell for mocking Christ and using him as a political banner right you fucking reprobate /pol/troon?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"what version of the Bible is the least zogged\"\n>a book about the mythologized history of ancient Jews, and then a biography of the son of the Jewish god, who lived as a Jew, surrounded by followers who were also Jews\nAnon, if you don't like Jews, the Bible probably isn't for you."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe religion itself is Zogged and kosher"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>19\nThat would mean it isn't God's Word.\nGod said you are literally the definition of spiritual sodom and gammorah.\nAlso Gohan is a faggot who thought intellectual studies was more important than faith. He later accepts to become a faggot warlock to unlock his \"secret potential\" aka red flag excuses not to actually be a strong as his dad. Also DBZ games suck because they just going along with Steam anti-cheat policy.\nThe only good DBZ game was Quake 3 Arena mod Bid for Power before there was anti cheat anti christ security blanket always on diaper mode for ppl like you."}, {"id": 47, "content": "How can we make this board repellent to brown people? Fucking chancho here couldn’t help but flap his Olmec lips about DBZ."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would rather trust science considering that its god's intend\ntherefore genetics is my bible"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModern translations of apocrypha, especially the Gospel of Thomas."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/texts/Tanakh"}, {"id": 51, "content": "Every single author of the books of the Bible was Jewish."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>2\nKJV is a propaganda mouthpiece for some Scottish ladyboy that's been dead for 400 years."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>22\nThere's different Jews historically and present."}, {"id": 54, "content": "zion comes the the bible\nyou can't get more zog than that"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nIn the words of Alex Jones just yesterday: Stop calling them niggers and stop saying \"how do we get rid of brown people\" on the show, faggot. We are christians and we don't like that and we have never said anything like that. You are a fucking idiot."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nBased."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So which event was most destructive for ancient greece?\nFew centuries BC, you have healthy civil society with multiple philosophical schools (and slavery - based), like a millenium later you have stagnating theocratic despocy. Nominated have been:\n>Peloponesian War\n>Macedonian conquest\n>Diadochi Wars\n>Roman conquest and bureaucratization\n>Christianity"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">(and slavery - based)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>>(and slavery - based)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">and slavery - based"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Most slaves were wypipo though. Why do you find it based?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nNice got the cs ak. Saved"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Roman conquest and bureaucratization\n>>Christianity\nIt’s these two. Rome has done extensive damage to Hellas. Rome destroyed Korinth, much of Epirus and Macedonia and brutally sacked Athens. Korinth was resettled by Romans and Jews. On top of that Rome destroyed the ethnic and civic pride of Greek peoples by supplanting that pride with loyalty to Rome.\nChristianity was just the final nail in the coffin of Hellas which completely ended the transformation started by Rome."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Why do you ask if you already gave the answer in your OP?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Bronze Age Collapse did more to damage genuine Hellenic society than any event after it. Before ~1200 BC, you had a myriad of vibrant unique cultures interacting in the Aegean and beyond. After 800 BC, you have a virtually monolithic Greek culture manufactured by Hesiod and Homer, the shackles of which would not be broken until the emergence of Christianity (at least insofar as the modern historian can ascertain, because of course literary and archaeological evidence at the rustic level is virtually nonexistent)."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Hesiod and Homer, the shackles\nHesiod, Orpheus,and homer preserved pre BAC culture though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nThere's a lot of creative ones out there"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nliterally the exact opposite, the difference between Mycenaean culture and classical antiquity is as profound as the difference between Sub-Roman Britain and the Norman Conquest"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nthis\nmost of them were also greeks\nnot based at all"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreece didn't die so much as it was usurped by Rome. Platonism continued to be the dominant school of philosophy in Rome until it was usurped by Christianity and other \"eastern wisdoms.\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">So which event was most destructive for ancient greece?\n>Few centuries BC, you have healthy civil society with multiple philosophical schools (and slavery - based), like a millenium later you have stagnating theocratic despocy. Nominated have been:\n>>Peloponesian War\n>>Macedonian conquest\n>>Diadochi Wars\n>>Roman conquest and bureaucratization\n>>Christianity"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe birth of Socrates."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Greeks need a renaissance pronto"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no\n>no\n>yes\n>no\n\nwhat changed was the direction of trade towards rome and the loss of local nobility that was absorved partiality into roman nobility."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\nI don't see how a shiteating villager would give a shit a about homer.\n\nThey just recorded the culture of time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Siddharta to Hinduism what Socrates was to Greek philosophy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBother Socrates and Buddha were wrong"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo because most Greek philosophy was an invention of Plato not Socrates. Socrates was the aporia dialogue era guy in real life. The one who questioned everything and \"made the worse appear the better argument\" as put by Aristophanes. Greek philosophy as it became was based on the dogmatic idea of Forms created by Plato."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be much more like if Siddhartha vaguely questioned the pagan order of India and then some other guy made up Buddhism and all its metaphysics and attributed it to him. Like if Siddhartha never sat under the tree but someone (a more eloquent pupil) else said he did."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSo like Jesus?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Adios you fucking skank"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">lynching\nwhat is that?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "#BELIEVE WOMEN"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nan extrajudicial killing."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>admitted to lying\nhuh?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFinally, niggers will shut up about emmet till and foreigners can rest in piece."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\npeace.*"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe NEVER admitted to lying or anything. She always maintained that Till sexually harassed her and never once recanted this."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was about states rights"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe didn’t “admit to lying,” a hostile “reporter” interviewed her at an advanced age and claimed she said things she and her family denied. The “reporter” didn’t tape the interview, of course."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Ha ha it's time again for /pol/ to defend the beating death of a child."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>>10\nYeah wtf"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nTill was 14, which is an adult in jewish tradition."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nwhy does this never apply when the alleged rapist is not a white male?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nshe is absolutely burning in hell. feels good."}, {"id": 16, "content": "/pol/tranny thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nI’m not defending the murder of Till, I’m speaking out against the lie being spread in the OP, which many liberals believe, that Carolyn lied about being sexually harassed by Till.\n\nYou can acknowledge that this happened btw. You can realize that Till was accused of harassing her, which is wrong, and that Till was brutally murdered which shouldn’t have happened.\n\nWhy are leftist such infantile retards that need life to be some good guy bad guy dynamic?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">the blacks in town were telling him to shut his mouth and stop yapping about white women before shit hit the fan\nLike pottery."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nIf only she had been served the warrant that was written up for her and testified under oath."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>I’m not defending the murder of Till\nThen you're in the minority and youre playing dumb about it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhy are you defending rape and harassment of women? Fucking incel chud"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\n\nYes! All! Men! Yes! All! Men!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nWhy are you gay?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>>19\n>>20\nFuck you misogynist little dick incels!"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nEven if the allegation was true, all he would have done is whistled at her."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\nIt's when blacks gets punished for crimes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\nWhen you abolish the police"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nExcept he physically grabbed her, assaulting her, and made rapey comments, sexually harassing her."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nSorry blacks have literally never raped a person before, that's a lie told by racists"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nsource?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">However, the 'recanting' claim made by Tyson was not on his tape-recording of the interview. \"It is true that that part is not on tape because I was setting up the tape recorder\" Tyson said. The support Tyson provided to back up his claim, was a handwritten note that he said had been made at the time.[\n\nHow incredibly convenient. Wierd how he didn't get her to repeat it when the tape was ready..."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nAre you calling blacks liars? I'll have you know blacks have an excellent track record of being truth tellers"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n\nI'm calling the guy who was arrested for breaking into a school in protest at it no longer having niggers bussed into it from afar a lair instead."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmmett Till wasn't just lynching by white men. There were black accomplices.\n\n>Witnesses recall between two and four white men and two and four black men who were either in or surrounding the pickup truck where Till was seated. Others passed by Milam's shed to the sounds of someone being beaten. Accounts differ as to when Till was shot; either in Milam's shed or by the Tallahatchie River. The group drove with him in the truck to Bryant's store, where several people noticed blood pooling in the truck bed. Bryant explained he killed a deer, and in one instance showed the body to a black man who questioned him, saying \"that's what happens to smart niggers\".\n\nAnyway, fuck her and everyone else. Blacks have poor choices for white women."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>11\nWhy would anyone disagree with the death of a niglet? Are you retarded?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nSorry you're not allowed to say the N word on this board because blacks are a protected race that need training wheels even in regular discussion\n\nand that's a good thing"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nWho is that Chinese guy in the pic you posted?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>unknown\nOk but who is this guy?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nI'm Brazilian, not Chinese.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/0m54af4_NKk [Embed]\n\n>>38\nYou did not see anything."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>25\nNot true, the allegation is that he flirted with her, she ignored him so he grabbed her wrist and asked her out on a date, she pulled away and walked away, but he blocked her and grabbed her waist and said something lewd, like “I’ll show you a good time baby”\n\nThat is what she originally said happened and she has never once gone back on that."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n'88' kek"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>>41\nI saw what you did there. Emmett Till died aged 14, hue."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nmeds"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>29\nWhite people have also never done anything wrong. That's just Jewish racism."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEat shit in hell, you rotten bitch! Hot damn, today is a good day!"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>6\n>niggers will shut up about emmet till\nlololol that's a good one"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>BUH WHYPIPO\nyes \"buh whypipo\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>11\nWhat can I say? I just have a burning desire to beat idiotic airheaded nigger kids to death when they stare at me with those soulless eyes."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nI am just tired of Americans turning all English discourse on the internet not ghetto'd in some shithole onto their black martyr of the week."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nShitskin does le bad thing?\n>muh skin n general, of course!\n\nWhitoid does le bad thing?\n>it's because of Jewish economic factors"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>buh whypipo again\nyes buh whypipo *smacks lips*"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>31\n>>31\nWhat a bold-faced lie. Why would he start the interview, asking the most headline-catching and politically charged question, in the middle of setting up his tape-recorder? Is he incompetent?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n\nEither she randomly blurted it out as soon as she wasn't being recorded in the few seconds it would take to change tapes, he's grossly incompetent or he's a straight up liar."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nBlacks would NEVER lie, about ANYTHING"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nOf course, he even has a handwritten note to prove it. She wasn't comfortable saying it on tape but was so terrified at the prospect of him forgetting her little secret that she just had to put it in writing."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nblacks are such a credible source for history because of their inability to lie"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n\nIt doesn't even say if the note was by her."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>11\nYes and?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo not judge and avoid being judged.\nWhatever you give to the universe, the universe gives it back to you. It is a nature law."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe never admitted to lying. Liars began harassing an old lady. The dead kid was a scary brat."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>11\nOld enough to nig"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>11\nI don't think it was right to kill him but don't act like he wasn't asking for it by aggressively sexually harassing a married white woman. It's very scary for women to receive unwanted sexual advances. And teens are very strong"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>34\nNo, no, only wy popo can lynch people, especially unjustly."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>28\nThis"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>45\n>Living to 88\n>A failure"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>5\nSome jew wrote a book where he claimed that he totally talked to her and she admitted she made the whole thing up. That's literally the entire basis for the claim."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>25\nLet’s say that’s completely true (it’s not). If you whistled at a man’s wife in the south in the 50’s you were asking to get the shit beat out of you. Till thought it would be funny to fuck around and he found out. I’m tired of outrage over people who were knowingly stirring the shit pot falling in."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lynching of Emmett Till\nLynchings are done by a mob in public. What happened to Till was simple murder."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnjoy Hell, cunt."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>random whore make up shit to fuck up some guy\n>white knights and simps overreact and pile up on the guy without any proof beyond whore's word\n>Whore get out scot free and spend rest of life dogging responsibility\n>white knights and simps still keep making excuses\nAnd some people still think me too and whores fucking people over with simps doing their dirty work is a new thing, guess some things never change"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot my problem."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>creepy future racist nigger prevented from defiling white woman\n>legions of cucked modernites remain offended by this kino happy ending"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>11\n>Breaking News : Negro threatening and demeaning around honest folks has honest folks punish him : other negroes shocked!\nwait no that's no breaking news at all"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>14\nNow anon, Biden got his multiple allegations brushed under the rug"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>admitted to lying\nA bunch of leftist \"journalists\" came to interview an old senile woman and coaxed the \"confession\" out of her.\n\nThe boy's father was a rapist and Emmett took from his father and attacked a white woman in Mississippi in the 50s. You can debate if it was an overreaction, but the south decided long ago they were not going to be subject to violent dangerous black people and would defend their children and women from being raped with extreme force and deterrence. I'm sure any self-respecting father here would shoot a pedophile who raped their child, they had similar feelings, and since the police and courts weren't going to administer the proper deterrent needed to protect themselves they turned to extrajudicial means.\n\nTake for example the famous Rosa Parks, she was not an ordinary woman who defied necessary segregation for white people's safety, she worked for the NAACP and helped garner support for the Scottsboro rapists whose semen was found in 2 white women and with the assistance of the literal communist party and a literal Jewish lawyer, facts which will make /pol/'s eyes light up, their death sentences were commuted. The fact she is a woman did not stop her, race came first, her boss once told her \"a woman's place in the kitchen\", feminism is just a way to manipulate white women. In the leftist philosophy, white people are a \"privileged\" group, thus the rape of a white woman by a black man is a revolutionary act to be defended and takes precedence."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nthey didn't even coax the \"confession\" they just made it up lol, zero evidence she actually said it"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't forget about good ole Emmett's father\n>Louis Till (February 7, 1922 – July 2, 1945) was an African American GI during World War II. After enlisting in the United States Army following trial for domestic violence against his estranged wife Mamie Till, which he chose over jail time, Louis Till was court-martialed on two counts of rape and one count of murder in Italy. He was found guilty and was executed by hanging at Pisa"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>11\nNothing to defend. Sexually harassing chuds get what’s coming to them (and that’s a good thing)"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>13\nYour traditions are your traditions, but neither Till nor the people involved in murdering him were Jews."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nThe sins of the father are not the sins of the son."}, {"id": 81, "content": "Hmm I remember doing this and getting a bunch of Emmett Till crap in the search results and now it's mostly Marilyn Monroe pics. Was there some new biopic of hers I didn't know about? I mean, if it got rid of the Emmett Till crap I'm not complaining, but..."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nprolly google noticing their anti racism algorithm going haywire"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nAnna de Armas art-flick came out few months ago"}, {"id": 84, "content": "Sorry racist incels, an anonymous source in the white house reported that she recanted everything"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>79\nBut they lived in a country ruled by jews and followed a jewish religion, ergo Till was de facto an adult."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>75\n>>76\nThis, reminds me of the JIDF coaxing confessions from 100 year old krauts because they were a cross guard for a town 50 miles away from a death camp"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>11\n>/pol/\nWhy 4chan devolve into bogeyman and mortalfag?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nAmerica was ruled by a combination of jews, WASPS, and Catholics to a lesser extent though. By your logic, wouldn’t jews be just as much Protestants or Catholics as Protestants and Catholics are jews? And secondly, Christianity is not a Jewish religion any more than Judaism is a Canaanite religion. Sure, Christianity has Jewish origins, but it isn’t ethnic centric like Judaism is, and has significant differences."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nChristians believed 13 year olds were adults just as much as jews did."}, {"id": 90, "content": "I think people were so upset with her since she was the only one still alive connected to this case, the only one people could take their anger out on. If anything, it seemed like she was partially a victim. I believe it had been insinuated her husband was abusive, so that may have contributed to her exaggerating whatever Till did to her. I don't think there is evidence she called for his death. Also the 'admitted to lying' part is obvious bullshit. Even the wikipedia article makes it seem dubious. I'm sure it will go down as historical 'fact' that she die lie though."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nFalse, it varied heavily in all of Christendom unlike the Jews which universally agreed on 13. Mexicans had it at 15, Americans for a long time at 16, and krauts at 16 too. It was actually rare for any Christian cunt to label 13 year olds as adults like the Jews did"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>2\nForcing people to sit through a marathon of David Lynch flicks."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>87\nBecause they are the only retards on the site who fill every board with autistic race bait threads such as this one. Even if Till did sexually harass that woman, you could see how killing him would be a massive over reaction and evil when we have laws for that right?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\n/int/ is more race obsessed than /pol/ desu. The threads on this nog over there were brutal in the few responses they got, with the Brazilian spammer who posts black babies getting beaten getting his reply deleted fast on one of them lol."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>86\nIt is an important part of their theology. The holocaust, Rosa Parks, Emmett Till, they needed to get a confession for posterity, like Shylock getting his pound of flesh."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>being more racist than you are sexist\ncringe."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>66\n>Some jew wrote a book where he claimed that he totally talked to her and she admitted she made the whole thing up.\nI remember that book! I was included in one of the chapters actually. It said I had a 9 inch dick.\nWhole book is 100% true. True me."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>62\n>he wasn't asking for it by aggressively sexually harassing a married white woman\nHow aggressive do you think it was?"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>91\nCope, angloids left home at 13"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n>angloids left home at 13\nFor normal ones not really. Unless one had a really abusive family or balls deep in poverty."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nNo, every middle class English boy worked as an apprentice by 13"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the ideal way to structure the ruling class?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Make it 100% Ashkenazi Jewish"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNO"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbolish it completely"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\ndifferently from ants and bees humans are progressing due fragility of our social hierarchy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe live in a neo feudalist society right now"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAn estates system. The rulers are elected representatives from each sector of society"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did God make prostate orgasms possible and then make sodomy a sin? It doesn't seem like very intelligent design."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do atheists think sodomy is acceptable?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnswer my question first."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The only good Christian argument is that.\n>You can't heckin prove God doesn't exist. All the retarded shit in our holy book is somehow correct because of this!\nDont entertain any argument other than this. Bible is not even a timeless text if trace the history of apologetics which kept evolving as the culture and sciences did. God couldn't be more vague for Christians if he tired and it is definitely not ancient jewish fairy tales rebranded for non-jewish audience with good stuff stolen from Greeks."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI know nothing about \"prostate orgasms\". Why do you?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBecause I've spent time here."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nwhy not?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere else is the prostate supposed to go?\n\nAnd it's not like you can actually stimulate it that well. It's hidden behind the flesh up your asshole. \"Prostate orgasms\" are a meme by fags and, as far as I can tell from reading all the fucking gay shit I have on here over the years, they only happen when a guy locks his dick up in chastity and sexually teases/tortures himself every day for a month, to the point that even touching his nutsack would make him coom anyway. So maybe God underestimated the retardation of humans and never thought they would lock their dicks in cages and put things up each other's shit flumes to stimulate the semen vessel behind their ass walls. Because that's the kind of shit only a deranged porn addicted mongoloid would do."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's possible to stimulate your prostate externally. Speaking from experience."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nI get it. Although the joke is that she farts while sitting in her husband's lap."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>And it's not like you can actually stimulate it that well\nDude, have you ever touched it/had a prostate exam? It's pretty easy to locate and stimulate.\nActually having an orgasm from the prostate alone is very difficult, but getting sexual pleasure from touching it is not hard at all."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"Why did God make x sin if humans can do x\"\nSelf control is a virtue you can't practice unless you have something to rein under your control. There's no sin humans are incapable of performing"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Prostate orgasm is literally a sodomite lie. It's not real. The prostate doesn't have any function in orgasmic sensation and it doesn't have the nerves to produce it. It's physically impossible"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvolution selecting for faggotry makes even less sense tho"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nTrue. It's a genetic mutation which doesn't further reproduction. Even if it did, it doesn't really pass on."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nBut why make it pleasurable if it has no other purpose? The argument for PIV sex is that its proper use is procreation and stuff, and premarital sex is a misuse of that. Does the prostate's ability for sexual pleasure have any other purpose?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThe prostate has no ability for sexual pleasure you degenerate."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI got prostate probed by doctor, felt nothing, didnt even notice it started or ended.\nSo only a disordered libido can derive pleasure from it, like how people derive from any fetiche.\nAlso why would someone meddle with intestines to begin with? God intelligently gave us a disgust sensibility to keep us hygienic, away from disease. We are born this way. For this healthy instinct to be ignored, it takes quite an effort. Be it constant porn propaganda, or abuse which damages the psique.\nSodomy practicioners then are the champs of most venereal diseases and parasites.\nJesus can heal them though, if they so wish."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI'm asexual so I don't know. Are all those people who like massaging their prostate lying? What gives?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It exists that means you should do it!\nJust because you have dopamine receptors doesn't mean it's moral or healthy to sniff tons of cocaine everyday."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nHow do you know that when you have never had your own touched? Have you even had a prostate exam?\nThe prostate has nerve endings. When it's touched, you'll feel it. It's roughly similar to getting tickled"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYour dopamine sensors have a purpose which cocaine abuses. What is the purpose of the prostate's nerve receptors inside of your body?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nTrue. God gave us proper uses of the earth. Making cocaine is not one of them. It is a misuse of the intended purpose. So what is the intended purpose of prostate stimulation? Presumably penile and vaginal stimulation was made with the purpose for couples to bond and encourage them to procreate. What is the purpose of prostate stimulation?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nIt does if you consider it a failsafe against overpopulation."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nIt doesn't make sense for frogposters either, who are also genetic dead-ends"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>It does if you consider it a failsafe against overpopulation.\n>overpopulation\nthe contortions darwinists twist themselves into, lmao\n\n>>25\n>It doesn't make sense for frogposters either, who are also genetic dead-ends\npray to science for serenity"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\nMaybe it does have another purpose, I have no clue, but it certainly doesn't need another purpose"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nYour prostate plays a role in regular orgasms , the fact you can stimulate the prostate anally which leads to an orgasms is literally an exploitation of a normal process in a method you aren't normally supposed to do.\n\nIt's is the exact same thing as sniffing cocaine \"because why not if I can do it then it must be fine\" and it's not. There are physical consequences to anal sex that isn't worth the chance of orgasm"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nThey're mostly lying to themselves. They are sexual perverts who get aroused by damaging their own anuses, and they call that pain \"pleasure\" because they like it\n>>21\n>How do you know that when you have never had your own touched?\nBecause it's physically impossible\n>The prostate has nerve endings\nSex pleasure comes from the nerve endings in the penis you pervert\n>>24\nI think it really exposes how absurd evolutionism is that evolutionists essentially switch between naive evolutionism and neo-Darwinism depending on the circumstances. \"Overpopulation control\" makes plenty of sense if evolution is like Spore and changes happen to improve the species. It makes no sense however if it occurs through random mutations appearing and being passed on, because then the only way a gene can survive is if it specifically benefits the individual. Genes that do not pass on to the next generation will go extinct immediately, regardless if they can be interpreted as 'beneficial' in some way."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nLike I said, the prostate plays a role in a normal orgasms so stimulating the prostate itself anally to induce an orgasm isn't some kind of mystery. It's also something not everyone can experience either\n\nAnally stimulating the prostate despite whatever physical consequences there are is no different from sniffing cocaine for a dopamine rush. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, just because something exists doesn't mean it's good lol"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>Damaging their own anuses\nBut people can stimulate their prostate externally"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nWhat does that even mean?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\nMaking healthy poops mildly pleasurable promotes doing good to yourself. Same way relieving bladder pressure feels good.\n\nNatural bodily functions being mildly pleasurable isn't or at least shouldn't be an invitation to abuse them. Just like how eating some fresh berries or yogurt with a little honey drizzled on it is pleasurable but that doesn't mean you should chug a 2L bottle of Coca-Cola.\n\nAnd yes, ultimately this does also apply to masturbation because you're not a rat in a maze pressing a button for a shot of dopamine, and you should seek pleasure in doing something with your life."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish he would make them possible for me. Can't get that shit to work to save my life."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>9\nHow? An extremely powerful vibrator?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nYou can stimulate the prostate by applying pressure/massaging your taint."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\nWe also \"abuse\" our senses when we chew sugar-free gum that has no nutritional value. As long as it's not harmful as long as you're not stupid (like shoving a massive dildo in you raw with no lube) then there's nothing wrong with it. The \"purpose\" of those body parts does not matter.\nNo other part of the body has such strict \"biological\" rules about what you can and can't use them for."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\n>Because it's physically impossible\nwtf do you think happens in a prostate exam? All the doctor needs is his hands and some lube. Literally anyone can find it (they just can't identify cancer)"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n...in the anus\n>>38\nIt can't give you sexual pleasure"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>We also \"abuse\" our senses when we chew sugar-free gum that has no nutritional value. As long as it's not harmful\n\nActually, artificial sweeteners do harm, not just because of what they're made of, but because they reinforce having a sweet tooth and an unhealthy lust for sugar. This is actually a very good example of how a seeming \"harmless\" artificial stimulation can be damaging."}, {"id": 41, "content": "because being a pretty sissy drippy drippy bambi sleep bimbo girl is just one of the many temptations used to test your faith."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nanon, if you've never even touched your own, you're just going to have to trust us perverts on this one. You're far from a prostate expert here.\n\nbtw, people can get sexual pleasure from about anything on your body with a high concentration of nerve endings. Why else would people get arousal from kissing or touching their nipples when those have absolutely nothing to do with the act of sex?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nSure, it can be unhealthy, but there's nothing wrong with it in moderation, just like there's nothing wrong with anal sex as long as you take certain precautions and aren't tearing open your anus 5 times a day."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\n>As long as it's not harmful as long as you're not stupid (like shoving a massive dildo in you raw with no lube) then there's nothing wrong with it\nYou and I know both know that nobody actually follows the golden mean when they're willing to shove things up their ass to get an orgasm.\n\nAgain, just because a pathway for pleasure exists doesn't mean you're supposed to exploit it. Shoving things up your ass to get an orgasm ha got to be one of the dumbest fucking ways to get pleasure out of life possible and it's always a consequence of hedonism. You don't have to be religious to understand that."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA better question would be why would an all loving god let homosexuality fester in his creation"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nSure, just like how few people eat sweets at a healthy level. I don't hear anyone calling for candy to be outlawed or that eating candy is inherently immoral.\n\n>Again, just because a pathway for pleasure exists doesn't mean you're supposed to exploit it. Shoving things up your ass to get an orgasm ha got to be one of the dumbest fucking ways to get pleasure out of life possible and it's always a consequence of hedonism.\nDon't knock it until you try it."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>I don't hear anyone calling for candy to be outlawed or that eating candy is inherently immoral.\n\n\"Immoral\" has all kinds of judgments to it. But I definitely hear of people talking about eating candy and biscuits using the same kind of language alcoholics use to talk about booze, and there's a reason.\n\n>\"Let me tell you, you have to cut out all the fuckin shite, no biscuits, no chocolate, no sugar in your tea, that's the only way, that's the hard truth. No half measures.\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nLife's too short to do everything \"right\" and indulge in no pleasures."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n¶ From that time foorth began Iesus to shew vnto his disciples, how that he must goe vnto Hierusalem, and suffer many things of the Elders and chiefe Priests & Scribes, and be killed, and be raised againe the third day.\n\n22Then Peter tooke him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it farre from thee Lord: This shal not be vnto thee.\n\n23But he turned, and said vnto Peter, Get thee behind mee, Satan, thou art an offence vnto me: for thou sauourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe nerves around the prostate are part of the nervous system that men orgasm in general.\nIn other words, you feel a 'prostate orgasm' every time you cum. It's only sodomy when there's another man involved.\n\nAnyway, here my proposal that urologists should only be women..."}, {"id": 51, "content": "I just had a really enjoyable big boy poo."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause god doesn't exist. It is vestigial and you were never meant to use it given the level of physical damage the entry point causes you. Additionally it is not even like it is located in the anus. You are just smashing around stuff and the pressure goes through the cavity and hits something else."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>13\nThis. It’s fags inventing a fake story for why they like playing with human feces."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>13\n>It's not real\n>He doesn't know"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>42\nWhat sane man would trust a faggot?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>46\nYou should kill yourself then fag. Don’t knock it unless you try it!"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>43\nTearing open you anus 5 times a day is only worse than doing it once a day because you are going to destroy your anus 5 times quicker."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nwith faggot stuff that you're not faggot enough to try?\nI think you just have to take our word on that.\nOr get a prostate exam. Never too early for preventive care!"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>2\nnothing feels better than being pounded by a socialist"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nanal sex does not damage your anus unless you're shoving absurdly large objects in with no prep and no lube.\nIf you're a real man you can handle massive shits without \"damaging\" your anus. It's made to expand and let objects through. Your body can't tell the direction changed."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe whole point of sin is that there's temptation, retard.\n>why would he punish gluttony if food tastes so heckin' good t. porker\n>why would god punish greed if it feels nice to get whatever you want? t. kike\n>why would god punish wrath if beating the shit out of someone is cathartic? t. nigger\nWhy are faggots the only one that use this \"argument\" and don't get the basic concept here?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nBro you're a sick fuck. You're completely deluded by your mental illness"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nbut those desires are not inherently bad, those are abuses of the desires. by that argument prostate stimulation is a natural desire that can be fulfilled in a healthy way, just not in excess."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nI'm sick for advocating you learn more about your own biology and get screened for cancer? yep, I'm a monster."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nThe Hebrew word for man literally means \"he who pierces\". The word for woman literally means \"she who is pierced\""}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nSexual pleasure can be enjoyed in a healthy and godly way, yes, through procreation. That is indeed how it works, you're right."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nno it's not.\nMan is אדם. it shares a root with earth, and red. that's why Genesis has Adam being made from the earth."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nSo your wife stimulates your prostate while you have sex for the sole purpose of reproduction? based."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>10\nWhat's there to get? There's no joke and the reference is not exactly subtle"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoking the exposed cerebrum with a pencil produces various stimuli both mentally and physically. Does it mean it ought to happen or that it was evolutionarily designed to happen?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nOk male and female then"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nwhy are you pretending to know the etymology of hebrew words which you don't even know?"}, {"id": 73, "content": "The replies in this thread shows how uncomfortable this question makes chrustcucks. They’ve clearly never had a girl slip a finger during sloppy head and their only argument against the tens of thousands of men who experience pleasure is to claim that every single one of those men are lying, but in the same breath, they’ll call you retarded for not taking 1500+ year old jewish schizo rabbler as fact\n\nLets not even mention how prostate stimulation is used to increase a bull’s performances in animal husbandry"}, {"id": 74, "content": "https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-problems/\n\n>The prostate is a small gland found only in men and trans women\nI don't know if le sodomy is unnatural or whatever but that sentence makes me feel deeply uneasy"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHE didn't. God made the prostate to produce a key component in semen, he also made AIDS to make sure that faggots like you would be punished for abusing his creation."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>65\nWho gives a fuck what Hebrews said?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nBut why did he make faggots?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nThen why do straight people also get it?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nAs a punishment that we must endure, overcome, or succumb to. Life is too easy when there aren't any existential threats like sodomy permeating throughout society."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nSo god is into gay corruption porn?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nOnly sodomites do."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood question\n\nNow answer this\n\nWhy were women made the naturally phusically weakest when they're also the ones naturally programmed to care for the offspring?\n\nMen are programmed to move from woman to woman to impregnate without care.\nWomen are programmed to stay with their children and nurture them, obtain food for them, and protect them from predators .\nYet women were made physically weaker despite the entire species depending on their ability.\n\nASK GOD THAT ANON"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nYou know aids can spread through drug use too right?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>35\nJust rub your taint."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>60\nThat is pushing stuff out, not in."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did God give us hands and make masturbation a sin?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The American conservative movement in the 1970’s which beget two movements (“Neoconservatism” and it’s lesser consequential brother “Paleoconservatism” both created and influenced by ex-Trotskyite socialists in the National Review in the post-war era) broke into the political mainstream after the “Halloween Massacre” in which weak willed and indecisive Gerald Ford sacked many of Nixon’s closest appointees after receiving resignations from Donald Rumsfeld and Richard “Dick” Cheney.\n\nThe most notable sacks included Henry Kissinger and Nelson Rockefeller who were appointed by Nixon - himself representing the “right wing” of the post war liberal “New Deal consensus”. Cheney was elevated to Chief of Staff (a position formerly held by Rumsfeld) and Rumsfeld became the Secretary of Defense.\n\nMembers of the bubbling American conservative movement, perhaps best exemplified by William F Buckley Jr. (side note: his brother a senator who famously at the time encouraged Nixon to resign following Warergate) roiled at Nixon’s perceived centrism. Buckley even went so far as to pen a letter signed by other conservatives of the American right to the Nixon administration denouncing its proposed Universal Basic Income program.\n\nBuckley, an American blue blood by birth who was infamous for his cultivated public image of ultra-refinement, even boasting his iconic transatlantic accent (though ironically he didn’t learn English until he was 7 and spoke Spanish as a first language as a result of being raised in Mexico) founded the National Review after being distraught at surveying the right wing opposition to the New Deal consensus: Ayn Rand Objectivists, the John Birch Society, and white power segregationists. Buckley desired to synthesise traditional values (his bent toward Roman Catholicism) and free market principles of the Austrian economists."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Americans deserve a nuke for spreading this lib vs con mindrot all over the world. Literally POTUS of Japan tier."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrection to my post: Robert Welch founded the John Birch Society AFTER National Review but famously engaged William F Buckley in contentious and acrimonious debate about Cold War politics."}, {"id": 4, "content": "take your meds"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nNobody cares BRICs nigger. It’s sad you wasted your daily allotment of electricity before your 18 hour rolling blackouts to make a low IQ post but not surprising."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWhat exactly is scandalous or “schizzooooo” about why I just wrote? This is a legitimate write up and summary of right wing politics in the post war era"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican politics have always been retarded. It's what happens when parties rather than ideas dominate political discussion. I say this as a Christian Democrat(as in a European style postwar Catholic Conservative, i.e De Gaulle) in a blue state(MN)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>a Christian Democrat(as in a European style postwar Catholic Conservative, i.e De Gaulle) in a blue state(MN).\n\nCool, so you’re a weird faggot who read a Wikipedia article who thinks he’s superior to everyone else in flyover town because of it and alienates everyone around him by his behaviour. Impressive!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeoconservative is a foreign policy position, not a domestic policy position. You could argue warmongering “liberals” like Joe Biden and Obama are neoconservatives with their history of Middle East crusading."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\"Neoconservative\" doesn't even exist. It's jsut something redditors came up with because USD politics were dominated by the democrat party for 40 years"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n> YOU HAVE TO PICK RED TEAM OR BLUE TEAM\n>NO DEVIATION FROM THE PLAN GOY\n\nOh shut up"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>you have to follow a failed system like fascism or communism that attracts losers like me instead!\nNo gracias"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>fascism failed\n>China is about to become the dominant global system\n\nBow before BRICS mutt"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>the democrat party\nHey look everyone, a MAGGOT from the Republicant party!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIf china's so great why'd your zipperhead parents being you to the US"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBlame your own mickey mouse government for implementing open borders lmao"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>>9\nOkay so neoconservatism is definitely a distinct ideology, and prominent neoconservatives literally labeled themselves publicly as such before it became associated with the disaster that was the Iraq War.\n\nI am always astounded at how fucking retarded this board is. Like no joke as much as I hate that website Reddit is far more intelligent than anyone on /his/."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>prominent neoconservatives literally labeled themselves\n\"Neoconservatism\" was a buzzword created by socialists in the mid to late 70's to label fiscal conservatives. There's nothing \"neo\" about it, it's jsut leftists describing themselves losing influence."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYes, but once again neoconservative is not a synonym for conservative.\n\nJoe Biden for example is a neocon and was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the Iraq War in congress."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nIt did fail. Just like communism. Time to get a job instead of waiting for le strongman dictator to show up and wipe your ass for you.\n>>15\nIs he really a chink? That explains the incessant shilling for his failed ideology."}, {"id": 21, "content": "And it is important to repeat: neoconservative refers strictly to foreign policy"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>fascism fail-ACK!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nYou know actual PRC is super cucked right? Like they have affirmative action type policies despite being like 90% Han and you can go to jail for criticizing minorities/race baiting just like in Europe. I’m not even joking, look it up. It’s a left wing shithole dude"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAt least China doesn't kneel for rioting ghetto thugs like americucks or make their citizens pay gibs to millions of migrant shitholers crossing their borders in caravans"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nThe fact that its supporters are mostly terminally online non whites, yes. Fascism failed."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>At least China doesn't kneel for rioting ghetto thugs\nSorry you get bullied by blacks Nguyen\n>millions of migrant shitholers crossing their borders in caravans\nWhite right wingers don't see you as any different. Go back to Malaysia"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\n>It's what happens when parties rather than ideas dominate political discussion. I\nWhat a retarded statement. Parties revolve around ideas."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\nNo lol. I'm just fucking tired of the two party system and want actual republicanism and democracy in a marketplace of ideas as opposed to the weird ass Roman Republic hybrid regime the U.S has had forever."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\nNo it isn’t you fucking retard, Jesus fucking Christ. Read a fucking book please /his/ FUCK. One of the core platforms of Neoconservatism was rebuke of the failures of the LBJ Great society policies. That was really its central plank even more so than the spread of liberals democracy to the third world.\n\nFor fucks sake just read a fucking book you stupid fucking INTJ retard faggot subhumans. You guys don’t even know how fucking stupid you sound. Legit one of the worst echo chambers on the internet because nobody here is smart enough to even call each other out on their made up “vibes” bullshit."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nCan you give me an actual rundown behind the ideology of the Republican and Democratic parties the way you could Asian or European parties? Could you do the same for any other shitty Anglosphere two-party system?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>“Paleoconservatism” ... created and influenced by ex-Trotskyite socialists in the National Review\nnope"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nDengism is fascist and the way of the future\n\n>>26\nNot an argument x 2\n\n>>29\nYes it is, neoconservatism refers almost strictly to foreign nation building and was pioneered by former troskyists."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nHonestly if you’re being fair, the European style democracy is super cucked too. Like having niche ideological fringe party win a few seats in some backwater doesn’t change anything. With the American system you can actually reach mass appeal from people who wouldn’t normally be exposed to your message (like Bernie and Trump) and the American system also doesn’t result in getting coalition cucked which happens all the time to parliamentary democracies. The American system you have much more control over your winnings"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>16\n>whines about white people getting replaced all day so that he'll attract a right wing white boyfriend\n>still takes advantage of broken immigration policy to contribute to the replacement\nDo \"\"\"\"fascists\"\"\"\"\" really?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nI wasn't arguing. I was laughing at you for being pathetic enough to admit to strangers on the internet that you let blacks bully you. You openly admit to being the scrawny gook stereotype."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nAmerica is a mutt shithole\n\n>>35\nBlacks don't bully me, but the entire US zeitgeist centers around prropping up and worshiping negroes and it's pathetic."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nWhy are all you BRICS fags from /pol/ trying to take over /k/, /his/, and /int/? You get laughed out of the room every time for obvious reasons you corrupt auth cunts lol.\nAlso\n>Claims the West worships niggers\n>posts illustration of BRICS countries depicting SA as a Kaffir\nkek"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>13\n>we wuz chyna\n/pol/ is just sad"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nBetter niggers stay in their own country than get propped up as cultural milestones ie america\n\n>>38\nliterally obsessed with le boogey board"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>>39\nOnly BRICS country that actually would appeal to you faggots is India but they are doing fascism for hindus, not crackers\n\nBrazil, Russia, China and South Africa would arrest you and put you in a mental hospital"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThese dudes are literally the new tankies. My Dad is one and I don't even talk about politics with him anymore because he is so ridiculously /pol/ pilled."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nWhy the fuck would I ever go to South Africa lmao\n\n>>41\n>even boomers are getting tired of the murrica shit\n\nbased"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nHe's an Xer. I'm a Zoomer. Also, serious question, how does this image make you feel?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">\"Republican\" party\n>opposing party isn't the \"Royalist\" one"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nAverage commie doing exactly what Marx taught him to do"}, {"id": 46, "content": "Why are are /his/ posters still surprised by shit like this?\nPick any political party, person. faction, newspaper, TV channel whatever and you will always find it doing or being the exact opposite of what it claims to be, either in the past, the present or in the future.\nAlways.\nIdeological purism is probably impossible in real life anyway.\n\nAt this point it shouldn't surprise anyone anymore that some commies used to be fascists or right wing, or that many right-wingers are actually communists or socialists.\n\nHomophobes are gay\nNazis are Jews\nCapitalists are Communists\nEnvironmentalists promote pollution\nand so on\nYou could randomly generate some of these memes and they would end up being true anyway."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n2+2=5, as they say."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>32\nThe motorcycle girl you're cooming over right now is from Taiwan you idiot\n\nhttps://www.sohu.com/a/101593427_388029"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>Ideological purism is probably impossible in real life anyway.\nIt is.\n\n>At this point it shouldn't surprise anyone anymore that some commies used to be fascists or right wing, or that many right-wingers are actually communists or socialists.\nWell, don't overestimate the power of labels, like people saying \"I'm X.\" Labels do identify and can have an \"ought\" or directive character to them, but if this directive character is applied to many different cases, then its direction toward any particular outcome will grow weaker or non-existent. Take \"socialism\" for an example: if you told me that you were a socialist, I wouldn't know what you mean exactly without further detail. It might mean you're a big Bernie supporter, or a big Lenin supporter. The label itself doesn't have an immediately directive character toward any single end, but designates a variety of different ones. That can also be seen in arguments over identity and who is or isn't a \"real communist,\" not all of these ends are compatible or can be made compatible in principle with one another."}, {"id": 50, "content": "Anyways, speaking about China and ideology, the Chinese ambassador to France went on TV recently and said a bunch of stuff. The interviewer asked him about Mao killing people (\"that is nonsense!\") and communism. This is what he said:\n\nQ: You just said, as France did when they talked about Algeria, that it was to promote \"development\" and cited the number of railroads built. There is some truth in what they say, but this is clearly a gradual encroachment on the territory and economy of other countries. This is what all imperialist countries do.\nA: You used to control other countries through borrowing, but that's not what China does. China is not like you. China is China.\nQ: Are you really that different? You guys are the number one...\nA: At least in that respect. China helps developing countries not to control them, but to promote common development.\nQ: It's nothing short of a miracle. I'm sorry, but I don't think the Chinese are any worse or better than people from other countries. We are all the same.\nA: Because China has the traditional culture and the spirit of building a community of human destiny.\nQ: Is China still a communist country? The number of Chinese communists is more than the population of France, right?\nA: Yes, we have more than 96 million party members.\nQ: Are you a member of the Party?\nA: Of course.\nQ: What does it mean to be a member of the Communist Party? Please excuse my childish wording, I don't mean any sarcasm. China has billionaires, so much wealth, so many capitalists. What does it mean to be a member of the Communist Party today in 2023?\nA: I tell you, to be a member of the Communist Party is to be an altruistic \"ascetic\" who sacrifices his own interests to serve the Chinese people and the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.\nQ: Is this a kind of nationalism?\nA: Do you think this is nationalism? I think it is communism rather than nationalism. The name of our party is the Communist Party of China."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>36\nChecked\n\nI want all 5 of those fems to dom me so hard"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\nmeds"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWilliam Buckley started it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did the Christian Spanish out breed and repopulate their towns over the course of the Reconquista which took hundreds of years?\nWhat laws did they pass and how did they behave compared to the Muslims Moors?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did the Christian Spanish out breed and repopulate their towns over the course of the Reconquista\nBy converting the Moors"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nby fucking women and not dancing boys."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Most Muslims just converted to Christians so there was no outbreeding. There is a saying in Spain that only Asturias is Spain and rest is just reconquered land. This means that only Northern Spain is unsullied European Christian blood while the rest are moorish rapebabies."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would have imagined that during the rule of the caliphate, the native Spanish would still have remained the majority population in most towns throughout the country, but were under the rule of a foreign warrior class, similar to how they were under the Visigoths and before then the Romans. So, once the Spanish militarily retook regions, they wouldn’t have had to repopulate them with Spaniards, because the Spaniards never left to begin with."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nHow many moors actually migrated to Spain during the Umayyad rule and to what extent did they interbreed with the natives? Wouldn’t this have been haram? I highly doubt that this took place on such a scale that it changed the appearance of the Iberians themselves. You don’t have any evidence that Spanish were any paler before they were conquered by Muslims"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe 'moors' were whiter than the spanish"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>5\nYou will need to have a larger army to compete with the Moors and thus require a huge populace which is only possible with long generational view of breeding.\nSo I conclude that the Spanish Natives from the Christian regions outbreed the foreign Mohammedans.\n>>7\nDon't be ignorant there was a general view of the Spanish to make the nation whiter again."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>How many moors actually migrated to Spain during the Umayyad rule\nMany Berbers and Arab were eager to migrate from their overpopulated desert homelands to more pleasant lands in Spain.\n>and to what extent did they interbreed with the natives?\nThe muslim Iberian rulers ended up looking whiter than most modern day Iberians.\n>Wouldn’t this have been haram?\nWhy? Muslims could keep sex slaves and many Christians outside of unconquered strip in the North converted anyways."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYou think MENA Muslims didn't breed harder with the native Spanish women to make up for their numbers? Muslims are allowed to have 4 wives with multiple sex slaves in top of that. Iberia was free white pussy anyone willing to migrate to it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThe Spanish natives won against the Berbers and Arabs so I take it they were more noble and white than them. Also there was a consorted effort to bleach their past occupied territory which is a unique in European history."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>You think MENA Muslims didn't breed harder with the native Spanish women to make up for their numbers? Muslims are allowed to have 4 wives with multiple sex slaves in top of that. Iberia was free white pussy anyone willing to migrate to it.\nNo because then they would of won the long game of generational long war which they lost.\nMost people never convert in life and only belief the faith that they were raised up on.\nSo I conclude the Spanish outbreed the Moors however I don't know which laws they passed and how they behaved culturally to have an ever increasing populace compared to the Moors."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>The Spanish natives won against the Berbers and Arabs so I take it they were more noble and white than them.\nThe ruling class of Spain descended from Germanic nobles and occasional migrants from French who wanted to contribute and gain booty at the same time. They were not similar to Iberians.\n>Also there was a consorted effort to bleach their past occupied territory which is a unique in European history.\nYes but there were too many mutts who fell into the definition of white and bred very hard too."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery simple. It was called adelantamientos. Give land for free to peasants forming free municipalities in allegiance to the king only, with autonomy over water rights and such. That´s why there was little feudalism in Spain and spanish monarchs were called populists."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nSounds like conjecture and cope. There is no reason to believe that outsider conquerors wouldn't try their hardest to breed and expand their populations especially when they were mostly male. Then their mutts became Christian and joined the Christian bandwagon. Do you think those converso mutts stopped breeding because they were deemed less white?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\n>Many Berbers and Arab were eager to migrate from their overpopulated desert homelands to more pleasant lands in Spain.\nSource for this you say? Well of course nothing.\n>The muslim Iberian rulers ended up looking whiter than most modern day Iberians.\nMass rape of Aryan visigothic women of course."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThey didn't breed as much as the Spanish as it was require to amass and raise large armies and retake territory. People don't just become Christian from Muslims, as we have historically see people raised in a certain faith for the majority part don't ever convert to another faith but rather stick with what they were raised in and that's more proof that the Spanish outbreed the Moors since they had a culture of trying to force converse the Muslims and exiled the rest after the reconquest.\nSo yeah the Spanish had more kids for whatever reason than the so called Conquerors."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Do keep in mind that a lot of the North African admixture in Iberia is from prehistoric times."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe muslims atomized into small fiefdoms and were frequently invaded by other muslims from Africa, so people found the christian system to be more efficient and safe"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>8\n>Don't be ignorant there was a general view of the Spanish to make the nation whiter again.\nWell clearly they failed"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>8\nmost of the population was the same as the pre-islamic one"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nBuilt on the corpses of a thousand dead visigothic aryans."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n1. Why did the Christians raise more native men for combat?\n2. Why wasn't there a will to continue to conquer parts of Europe and the Iberian peninsula?\n3. Why don't a majority people born into a faith convert to another over their lifetime?\n\nCome'on"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nCompared to the Berbers and Arabs? They succeeded"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>1. Why did the Christians raise more native men for combat?\nRegular elite shuffling, it is easier to stay put and keep your shit than to resist.\n>2. Why wasn't there a will to continue to conquer parts of Europe and the Iberian peninsula?\nPolitical retardation among the elites. Berbers and Arabs hated each other.\n>3. Why don't a majority people born into a faith convert to another over their lifetime?\nAl-Andalus didn't last a lifetime. In Grenada, it lasted seven centuries."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>8\n>Don't be ignorant there was a general view of the Spanish to make the nation whiter again.\nthe sultans of granada were the whitest dudes ever while the rulers of castile looked mixed with black hair and brown eyes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAs aforementioned, mass rape of Aryan visigothic women."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nTwo cherrypicked examples.North africans are quadroons."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\nBlatantly false."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>North africans are quadroons.\nAnd Spaniards are mulattos"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\nby this logic genghis Khans conquests were impossible, as the mongols had a tiny population compared to their enemies"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>And Spaniards are mulattos\nScientifically wrong though, genetic analysis are pretty clear, see:>>29"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nphenotype =#= genotype"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIgnoring the part that the Leonese and Aragonese sent settlers both from their lands, as well as from France or England, many pilgrims who settled while making pilgrimage routes to Galicia. Al-Andalus as such was made up of a majority Christian population, especially in the rural areas.\n\nThe so-called Mozarabic by Castilians, naṣārā by Muslims, they were the Spanish who lived in the lands south of the Duero River before the expansion of the Kingdom of Leon and the Pyrenean counties, made up the majority of the population on the plateau, where Islamic power and influence was weak (Toledo, the capital of the Visigothic Kingdom and episcopal seat of the Iberian archbishopric, was the cultural stronghold of the Mozarabic Christians at the time).\n\nWhen Castilians expanded to the plateau, they found villages and cities populated by Christian Mozarabs but ruled by Muslims (whether they are muladies or mercenaries from the East). In most cases, the Castilians limited themselves to killing, banishing, or marginalizing the small communities of Muslim elites settled in fortifications across the different towns and cities north of the river Guadiana.\n\nThe Mozarabs, who had the Hispanic rite of Visigothic heritage, in most cases collaborated with the Castilians, Portuguese and Aragonese, since between them and the Muslims, relations were contemptuous that reached their climax with the arrival of the Almoravids and Almohads, who led ethnic cleansing of Mozarabs. These Mozarabs ended up adopting the Roman Rite and the languages of the Castilians, Aragonese and Portuguese to the detriment of their own rite and language, in some cases forced due to the pressure of foreign crusaders, often French, who sought to assimilate the Mozarabic Church to the Roman Church.\n\nThe Kingdoms of Castile, Portugal, Leon and Valencia were basically conformed by Asturians, Basques, Galicians and Pyreneean leading their Mozarabic neighbours against the Muslim garnishes."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>20\ni know this board is basically a meme at this point and you're probably baiting so i'll just small dip with this comment and leave the thread but berbers are basically dark brown colored quadroons on average while iberians simply aren't\naccording to multiple genetic studies they top at 10% berber admixture in portugal and galicia, the rest of iberia has less than that, with people like catalonians or aragonese having 2-4% berber admixture\niberians never looked particularly white, look at the basque with 0% berber admixture, they look brown to us, but compared to berbers even the brownest iberians is very very white, so in a relative sense, they succeeded"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nMost of NAFRIcan influence is from Roman and Visigothic times. Amalaric invited to Spain communities of anchorites from Egypt as well as monks from the Vandal Kingdom in Tunis who created several libraries across the kingdom."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>He says while posting a phenotype to imply a genotype."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nBanu Qassi still is the most interesting thing to happen in the peninsula until the first taifa period."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\nThe Khans conquest was against non-threatening tribes and territory the Reconquista was about Faith, People and Territory."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nI'm not implying Spaniards are genetically mulattos, I'm just pointing out that they look like em."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThey don't look like each other there might be small similarities but that's because of how the environment and climate is."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThat does not look like a mulatto. Learn what words mean."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\ni guess this guy >>33 looks like a mulatto to you, but he doesn't to me, it's a subjective argument not worth engaging\nlet's stick to the facts:\nthere's a really hard genetic barrier between modern iberians and nafris for being such geographically close populations"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nThe most interesting thing in that period to me is how the tribes of the Cantabrian mountains consolidated a Kingdom out of nowhere while Al-Andalus to the south, even having the richest and most powerful region in Spain, collapsed as a house of cards.\nIn less than 2 centuries, the Asturian tribes created a Kingdom that extended to the Duero river, created one of the most important pilgrimage routes in the world and created a cultural and economic region independent of Baetica and Carthaginensis.\nThe situation of the Muslims of Granada in the 12th century was the same as that of Leon in the X century, but the people of Granada did not know how to turn the situation around as their neighbours at the northwest did."}, {"id": 45, "content": "How did the English reconquered and repopulated England from the Romans?? Because as in Spain, 99% of the people in Roman Britannia were natives. It is just a made up story created by historians. The majority of people were natives in both cases and 95% of the territory never saw a Roman (in Britannia) or a muslim (in Spain) ever.\n\nThere are no muslim monuments, mosques, etc in 98% of Spain. Not because they were destroyed but because they never exist. Even in Andalucia there are only 5-6 cities with “muslim” monuments. The 3 big ones and some minor things. So, 95% of the territory of Andalucia never saw a moor. There are no chronicles talking about the existence of muslims in the villages of Andalucia.\n\nIt was a major city thing ( Cordoba, Granada, Almeria). Rural areas were totally christian. The muslims could never conquer those areas that are falsely painted as “muslim” in those maps because they even offered christians in Andalucia privileges to convert to islam (to avoid being taxed as christians).\n\nAnd there are not known any ports in southern Spain or northern Africa where there is evidence of massive nunber of boats crossing the Strait. In fact, no one knows because there are no ports while at the same time hundreds of Romans, Phoenicians, Medieval boats have been found around the coast of Andalucia, zero muslim boats have been found.\n\nWhy should a goat farmer in somewhere in the desert wanted to risk his life to live in a place full of christians and enduring a difficult trip? Even today, many boats from africa sink."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>The most interesting thing in that period to me is how the tribes of the Cantabrian mountains consolidated a Kingdom out of nowhere while Al-Andalus to the south,\nI'm sure the influx of nobles from down south helped.\nPelayo himself was from Toledo.\n>even having the richest and most powerful region in Spain, collapsed as a house of cards.\nEthnic strife unironically, the Muslims started having race wars the second they conquered most of the peninsula."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>The situation of the Muslims of Granada in the 12th century was the same as that of Leon in the X century, but the people of Granada did not know how to turn the situation around as their neighbors in the northwest did.\nNot splitting into taifas every 3 seconds helps."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\n>there's a really hard genetic barrier between modern iberians and nafris for being such geographically close populations\nAnd yet they look very similar\n>>2\n>>20\n>>unknown\n>>30\n>>32\n>>33"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nThe kingdom of leon splited like 2-3 times\nbetween X century and XIII century because the rulers had the custom of dividing the kingdom among his sons."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nNever as bad as a taifa period."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>And yet they look very similar\nwhen you cherrypick some random pictures you can make anyone look similar, lets not even even talk about the fact that they don't even look similar, even the brown ones, therefore not an argument\n\nthey aren't similar and they don't look similar on average"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nDare I remind you that Phenotype=/=Genotype?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nTaifas had the support from North African empires when Castile started an agressive advance to the south, Leonese were alone when Abd al-Rahman and Almanzor leaded same aggtesive campaigns against Leon."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\n>they aren't similar and they don't look similar on average\nSo you're admitting that Iberians are brown?\n>>52\niq = Phenotype"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>So you're admitting that Iberians are brown?\nyes they are brown, but a different kind of brown (and also the degree of browness is much much more diluted compared to nafris that are extremely brown)"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>>54\nRetarded mexcrement"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nscreencapping this"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\n>t. Sources cited: the 2 L bottle of beer up my asshole."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">muh whiteness\nLiterally not a thing in Medieval Iberia. It didn't really matter if you were white as marble or dark as ebony, as long as you were of the right religion."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>2\nIs there anything wrong with the way this person looks? Being a white guy with dark hair and eyes by no means would say that you are non-white.\n\nAdditionally there is a smooth transition between the Moors and the Maurentanians and the Senegalese. Yes people being to look darkers as they head south, but the already dark white looking people other other side of the straight transition into be being black. You can draw the line anywhere you want because there is no clear cut off line. This is only problem if hair colour is the only distinguishing factor which makes a person what they are, but there are so many other things that distinguish them."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>20\n>going outside and getting a tan makes you another race"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>9\n>The muslim Iberian rulers ended up looking whiter than most modern day Iberians.\nBecause their mothers were all Slavic concubines."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\n>Is there anything wrong with the way this person looks\nThe thread is mexcrement circlejerk tho, that guy is quite normal, picrel is his family"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>15\n>There is no reason to believe that outsider conquerors wouldn't try their hardest to breed and expand their populations especially when they were mostly male\nBecause they were operating under an ideology of RELIGIOUS supremacy. It we take the greek/turkish example, while there was intermarriage every single product of these intermarriages would have been a muslim because the supremacy of the intermarriage lay in the conversion. A product of intermarriage could not possibly be a christian because while you could convert from christianity to islam in order to marry muslim, apostatsy from islam was punishable by death. Therefore it was impossible for muslims to intermarry with christians such that the child remained a christians.\n\nIt was for this reason that the Spaniards implemented limpeza de sangue. While they deconverted the Spanish muslims who had converted to islam, it was believed by the Spanish themselves that the people who had been muslim at some point MIGHT have interbred at some point, thus one would need to marry into christian families for three generations before your blood would have been considered cleansed. Keep in mind we are talking about people who were Spanish speaking muslims as opposed to full blooded North Africans, the Spanish were so meticulous about this that they applied this to people who would have been merely potentially mixed."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>16\nThe territory was not populated by Visigoths. It was populated by Hispano-Romans ruled by Visigoths the same way France was populated by Gallo-Romans ruled by Franks. These countries speak Latin languages for a reason."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>It was for this reason that the Spaniards implemented limpeza de sangue\n\nIt was more a thing of Castilians, and I would say that it originated with Mozarabs.\nThey had to enduring a massive discrimination from the Muslims and they had to deal with many apostates, ethnic conflicts and martyrs because of this, their identity was very attached to the pride of having been a Christians during dark and violent times against their Church. That is why they looked down on all the muladies (aka. All Christians who became Muslims) apostatizing again to be Christians again just because the social and religious situation had changed again.\n\nIn Portugal, Aragon, Navarra, etc., nobody have a shit."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>60\nPic related is a \"white guy with dark hair\""}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>40\nThe concept of a mulatto was invented by the Spanish to mean the product of a Spaniard and a black person. We are literally talking about the people who invented the modern concept of white here."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nIf you substitute white for blond I would comprehend that. That man is a blond man with dark hair."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nIt was invented by the visigothic aristocracy\n>>69\nHe has brown hair"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlearn about forced slavery by the arabs and immigration to the north by the mozarabs and other christians\nconverted moors were all expelled after their failed rebellion\nand thanks to christianity the brown the ones that even before the roman times got purged"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nThat's ultimate beaner destroyer and rapist, he raped beaner women so much that beaners never were the same after him."}, {"id": 73, "content": "Do anyone really believe that hundred of thousands of northafricans sailed in boats to Iberia?? MegaLOL. At most muslims were a 1-2% of the total population and most natives never saw a moor in their whole lives in the 700000 years of moorish “”””rule”””” (they never ruled since they did not have an Estate and they only controlled the casttle, fortification, main power center in a few major cities in the half south.\n\nTHe maps that people see with muslims in the half north represent RAZZIAS, aka, when they went in the summer to sack the north and they sacked or were defeated at some spots. The moors never lived in the half south. The few cities that have muslims during 100-200 years in the half north were basically a few converts from the ruling class that changed religion in 3-4 cities.\n\nMost muslim “””rulers””” looked germanic after 2-3 generations since their mothers and grandmothers were visigoths concubines captured from the north. Also other “””rulers”” were native Iberians with changed religion since islam was created just 800-100 years earlier and no one knew what kind of religion it was. Visigoths already changed from arianism to catholicism 120 years earlier (in 589) so they did not give a fuck about changing again if they could maintain their control and privileges (they were a Kingdom for 300 years before the muslims entered).\n\nBut again, the Romans ruled North Africa and. Britannia for 300-500 years. The maps are painted as “Roman” yet I am sure that 95% of britons or northafricans never saw a Roman in their whole life and continued doing their lives as in the previous centuries.\n\nAll muslims were killed or expelled, even native Iberians that converted to islam, or the offspring of concubines that many times looked germanic.\n\nSo, the 5-10% ethnic looking Spaniards are either people with gypsy ancestry (1.000.000 gypsies live in Spain), or have a recent (2-4 generations) Southamerican mestizo ancestor"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nNobody believe this.\n\nWhat happened that is that a few Arabs conquered Iberians then outbred them by taking most Iberian women as second, third or fourth wives and concubines. A few decades later, Andalus was 85% Arab 15% Iberian."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>70\ncoping beaner"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nThe samples came from Muslim graves."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nThen Reconquista really cleaned andalusian genepool from 85% arab to 15% arab 85% european."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>>77\nhere is a graph to help you understand what happened\n\nsuck to be a christcuck eh"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n72% R1b"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>74\n>What happened that is that a few Arabs conquered Iberians then outbred them by taking most Iberian women as second, third or fourth wives and concubines.\nOf course not metally challenged nigger, what happened was a massive north african migration. The reconquista consistes on a thorough ethnic cleasing, muslims usually DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CONVERT, they had to LEAVE, and then the land was reparceled and redistributed to christian colonists, that's why the genetic map of Spain looks like this:"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>40\n>I'm not a nigger I just look like one\nMade me kek. Thanks Pedro."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>72\n>>75\n/pol/tranny meltdown"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n>y-you are seething\nbrownoid cope"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nExcrement chimpout"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>79\nSome E might not be North African, same with J. Both haplogroup were present in Iberia since Roman times."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>78\n>suck to be a christcuck eh\nwhere are the muslims now? lmao too much camel piss make bad things to your brain"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>78\nThat isn't what happened. They literally imported Slavic women to be their concubines."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>where are the muslims now?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>paternal haplogroup: R1b-DF27"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nThe last study on North Africa has proven that Iberomaurusians already carried R1b.\nYou are likely descended from a Berber mulatto."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nBell Beakers made their own way to North of Africa"}, {"id": 92, "content": "Syrian? Moor? Or Spic?"}, {"id": 93, "content": "Moors were literally mass-exterminated in Reconquista.\nThough it's an epic poem and not a historical account, the Song of Roland mentions this, that anyone who didn't convert was killed. Of course, this process took centuries, but it ultimately expunged most berber influence in the genepool. Looking at the fact that Spain has the most homogeneous European male line in Europe, it seems that even this influence is actually from Christian Hispanics taking wives and concubines from the Moors, rather than the other way around."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>90\nbad argument. a small minority of berbers and arabs have R1b, whereas a big portion of Europeans have it. It's a strong sign of former Indo-European migration."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>Expulsion of the Moriscos never happened\nDelusional cope"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\nAll the same, brownoids are obsessed with Southern Europe, that's all. They LARP as southern Europeans, you see it at social media, Muslims and Beaners pushing themselves as Le Based Mediterraneans.\n\nBut feeling rejected and despised by southern Europeans, they ended developing a narrative that leads them to try to equalize southern Europeans to their animalistic, inferior and decrepit level.\nDeep down in their hearts, they simply want to be accepted by some southern European country.\nSpoiler: they will never be accepted"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nThats basically it. These people cope wth being Brown by trying to lower South Europeans to their level. It never works"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\nThis is a good argument actually. Most (50 out of the 200+) derived SNPs carried by Oub2 belong to R1b so it is quite likely that a lot of R1b carriers are actually descended from Berbers."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\ngebaseerd en VoC gepilled"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nLiterally WHG and Beakers who fucked the shit of negroid inhabitants of ancient North Africa"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>97\nThey are people from failed countries with a strong inferiority complex. And they are worse when they are in diaspora."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>WHG\nNo.\n>Beakers\nThey are mostly E-M81."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nWHG fucked the shit of your nigerian tier ancestors. The only reason you are not a bantu tier country despite sharing with them your y-DNA is due europeans bleaching the shit of you. If not Cromagnons, then Neolithic farmers, if not Neolithic farmers, then Bell Beaker Aryans, if not Bell Beakers, then Lebanese, if not Lebanese, then Greeks and Romans, if not Greek and Romans, then Vandals and Franks. That's why you look straight like thuggs from brazilian favelas instead like pure subsaharan negroids."}, {"id": 104, "content": "Most of the so called moors were just Iberian who converted to Islam. There's a reason why Andalusians produced men such as Averroes, Abulcasis, Ibn Khaldun (born in Tunis but of Andalusian heritage) while north Africa had nothing.\nWe jus thave to look at the Moriscos today, they look nothing like their nafris countrymen"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey kicked out the Moors and Jews"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n>Trust me my friend, I don't have a single drop of whitoid blood, i'm a pure berber arabic."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>102\nE-M81 was absent from pre-IA Iberberians & Berbers. It was raped into them by Carthaginian elites."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>103\nThese guys are farmers, not WHG. So far there's no evidence of WHG migration to North Africa. North Africans have farmer ancestry.\n\n>>107\nThis sample is too old to be R-M269. It's most likely a female. Oub2 is an Iberomaurusian."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>88\noops..."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\n>This sample is too old to be R-M269.\nR-M269 formed in 11000 BC, this is old enough to be present among IBM.\n\n>Oub2 is an Iberomaurusian.\nIndeed and he is R1b. Making R1b a Berber haplogroup that was replaced by E-M81 chads. Joseph wins.\n\n>It's most likely a female.\nThis sample has an Y-Chromosome lol."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo idea what they did to achieve it, but it was for the best\nNext best thing was expelling all the traitorous jews who aided the arabs against spain, right before discovering america, amazingly perfect timing there, south america was spared the sad fate of north america for some centuries"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nKind of fucked up that the only south america people recognize today is the one on it's current fucked up state, after all the drug warlords, communists and CIA funded bloodthirsty tyrants made it wat it is. Under spanish rule people in the peninsula were so willing to go there that you needed a permission and it was not easy to get it. For centuries some of it's cities thrived and even became richer and more prosperous than the mothernland."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>54\nBased keeping the fight against the moors up for me after I got bored, to add context to that pic, it's actually composed of middle class Swiss-Portuguese people in Zurich chimping out after a win so the moors cant even complain about muh gypsies when this is the cream of the crop for them lmaooo"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>80\n>nafri thinking Y chromosomes is what actually matters instead of appearance and national achievements and character\n90% of latam mutts also have your Y chromosomes from rape and it doesn't make them any more white just like you and your coping because some Aryan raped one of your ancestors 5000 years ago. You're still some mindless drone who sees a slight against your self hating person as an attack against your entire group because you are a collectivist bug person like most non whites are"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>111\nBased, 1492, best year of my life."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The 5 senses are how people can come to knowledge about the world.\n>NOOOO!!! GOD IS THE STARTING POINT OF all EPISTEMOLOGY!!!\nOk, prove it to me without using your body or any of the senses that come with it.\n>NOOOOOOOOO I JUST KNOW IM RIGHT BECAUSE I LIKE HEAVEN OR SOMETHING."}, {"id": 2, "content": "worthless thread. go back"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Go back\nIn your mom's vag dude. I bet your not even sure if you were born or not\n\n>>3\nUpdoot!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>COGITO\n>ERGO\n>SUM"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ok, prove it to me without using your body or any of the senses that come with it.\nWhy?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Why is it with Christians, they can never provide a straightforward answer for the existence of God. Its always\n>why do you think God needs you to know he exists?\n>how do you know reality only exists in your five senses?\n>what is evidence/proof in metaphysics?\n>how does the Big Bang come from nothing?\n\nLike breh, i dont care about your philosophy. Just give us some damn proof of your God."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAnon, you know God is real..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Why should I not shoot my self? I can't know for sure that it's going to kill me aaaaakkkk!!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nRedditchads own this site"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nNobody has ever in the history of the universe ever testified that God, Souls, ghosts or demons are real lol. Never ever. Nobody has ever testified to the presence of any possible information transfer outside of naturalism and realism. Supernaturalism isn’t real."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou knew God was real before you ever opened your eyes Anon..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYeah Goden is real."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nMost intellectual Abrahamist."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nBecause they have no proof but they’ve had 2000 years to come up with bullshit ambulance chaser tier lawyer tactics to defend a bullshit stance"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAnd through it all we still won"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI live in America and here your kind is losing every year."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\nWojak threads have no value."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nepistemology is a pseudo-problem"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nIn a few hundred years atheism will be an ill-remembered historical footnote. Jesus is Lord"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nJust 2 more weeks right?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nTwo more weeks."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\n>What's your name?\n>My name is...\n>Like breh, i don't care about the sentence you need to make in order to give me your name. Just give me your damn name"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>give me material proof of something not material\n\ndo atheists even realize how stupid they make themselves look when they say stuff like this smugly?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>something not material\nCurious. What are some other things that are not material?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>not even an attempt\nPathetic."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nThere you go again with that sophist bullshit. Just post proof man."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nnahh\nthis isn't serious. you're trolling. im on to you"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOmg"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The 5 senses are how people can come to knowledge about the world.\nWell, you could also say that instincts are a form of knowledge, maybe? Like an instinct of a baby to cry when it's hungry. Perhaps that is a form of knowledge? It knows to cry when it's hungry? Unless you just want to call that a behaviour and not knowledge.\n\nMy view is that we could possibly call instincts knowledge. So in my view, knowledge would be instincts plus information gained through the senses.\n\nI don't believe in God, of course. Because God doesn't exist.\n\n>>5\nEven if you accept the logic of \"cogito ergo sum\", it doesn't imply a god, of course."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Even if you accept the logic of \"cogito ergo sum\", it doesn't imply a god, of course.\nDescartes predicted this argument: he claimed that every sort of information except for the cogito (which is self-evident to the conscious mind) was an extrapolation from /something/; so therefore, attributes and qualities have to come from /something/, observable or conceptual. Eventually, logic dictates that this chain of generalization of qualities, of characteristics, eventually ends up with Perfection both conceptually and physically — though that one not observable through sheer proportion, unfathomable to the limits of Man.\nThrough that, one even can set up a precedent as to why other people might exist, too. If Perfection is Perfect (duh), and Perfection encompasses consciousness, which means there exists a precedent for a rational mind outside of the \"I\" of \"I think, therefore I am\"."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nOf course Descartes's blunder is that we can arrive at certain concepts through a combination of different attributes."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nGod doesn't exist. Descartes was writing at a time where you basically had to be a Christian, or else you were ostracised.\n\nI'm not going to say we know everything these days because that's clearly false. And social pressures obviously still exist. But at least we can now admit that God doesn't exist."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nAristotle's prime mover may never become an unreasonable thing to believe. It's just a question of whether you consider that to be god or not."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPratyaksh is a good place to start but its not the only source of knowledge."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did you take a shit?! Prove it.\nOk *shits*\n>NOOOOOO I DIDN'T FEEL IT!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>25\nTime, strong force, electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force, gravitation."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nMaybe the prime mover is the Big Bang, or maybe there was no prime mover, because maybe time is infinite. Who knows. We don't know enough right now.\n\nI think we'd all like to know whether there was anything before the Big Bang, and what there might have been, but we just don't know right now."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>24\nI didn't think it was possible to be as moronic as you but you've proven me wrong.\n\n>>37\nPretty sure all those things are physical. Whereas Christians allege that nonphysical things (such as God) are possible. My view is that the universe is probably all physical, because I've never seen anything nonphysical, nor seen any good evidence for anything nonphysical."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>strong force, electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force, gravitation.\nAll of these have subatomic particles. God of the Gaps\n>Time\nTime is distance over velocity.\n\nGod is nothing like these things."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\na final cause is very unreasonable notion for many, especially in modernity"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>30\n>I don't believe in God, of course. Because God doesn't exist.\nProof?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nProof that anything other than naturalism and realism exists?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nhelloooo"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nhelloooooo"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\n2+2=4"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nlook, a realist even.\ni can keep going"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nDo you deny the existence of God \"because God doesn't exist\" or because you don't think there is evidence?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\nThis guy gave you a good response: >>43\n\nAlso I'm just going with what is most likely. It is most likely that God was just invented by humans. Doesn't exist.\n\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\nYour schizo delusions don't prove God. God doesn't exist. Anybody with a brain recognises this."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nSo you recant your previous claim \"I don't believe in God, of course. Because God doesn't exist.\"?\n>God doesn't exist\nProof?\n>Anybody with a brain recognises this.\nThat's obviously not correct because you don't recognize it. You took for granted that God exists in this post."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>Proof?\nWe have no evidence of a sentient being controlling the universe"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nI did not ask you about proof of the existence of God I asked you for the proof of the non-existence of God. What is the proof God doesn't exist?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nBayes' theorem"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nWhy and how does that prove anything?\nAlso lolsworthy because Bayes was a Presbyterian minister"}, {"id": 55, "content": "Asking for physical proof of the non-physical is an interesting demand. All the reported merciless are apparently fakes, delusions, drug induced, mass hysteria, etc. Totally not a conspiracy theory.\nDinosaurs are real! Fundies owned."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The 5 senses are how people can come to knowledge about the world.\nwhich of the five senses did you utilize in order to reach this conclusion"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>48\nBecause nobody has ever testified to the existence of anything supernatural ever."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nYou need to crack one of these open"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only knowledge about the world that can be acquired is of our own existence. This is a product of our thoughts, rather than our feelings."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nWhat reason is there to think otherwise? There’s no testimony of any third actor ever."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>54\n>Why and how does that prove anything?\n>if an experiment could find evidence that supports a theory, then performing the experiment but failing to find that evidence must count as evidence against the theory.\n\n>Also lolsworthy because Bayes was a Presbyterian minister\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>must count as evidence\nWhy?\n\nAlso: cope"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Why?\nBayes' theorem"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\nIn the absence of scientific and rational thought, people use the means available to them to describe their experiences. Same reason any primitive person ever believed in anything supernatural."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nSee >>54\n>>64\nScience is a false god."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nNot reading what Bayes theorem is doesnt mean you disproved it."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>11\nI used to think that, then I went beyond my chemistry degrees and dived into physics and let me tell you anon, there are many things you can't understand the nature of. How i'd hate to live in your boring head. I bet you think evolution explains nature too?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>50\nIf you're perturbed by God's non-existence then that's your problem and not mine.\n\n>>65\n>Science is a false god\nScience isn't a god. Only morons believe in gods.\n\nScience is a method through which we can gain knowledge about the universe. Unlike religion, which is a way of spreading lies to make people feel good."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nI didn't claim I did\n>>68\n>If you're perturbed by God's non-existence\nI'm not perturbed by falsehoods\n>Science is a method through which we can gain knowledge about the universe\nHow do you know that?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nYou're a moron."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nI'm happy to be a moron for Christ."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>Christianity in one quote"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUpooted! Go back to plebbit! Tip harder faggot! Cringe!"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nwow, you summed up christcucks better than I could have in a million years."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nWe know lol, you demonstrate it with every single sentence you utter"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>56\nthis"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>67\n>dived into physics\nYou read half a wiki article."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>71\nyou really are a moron"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>71\nThe replies to you made me lol\n\nSeriously, just take a think about it for one second. It's pretty fucking obvious that God was made up by humans."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>39\nPhysical =/= material"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>40\nParticles are fields localized in space."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>71\nIs this a false flag?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\neuphoric"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>71\nThis post proves atheism is the emperor's new clothes. The only reason atheists claim to believe the absurd is because they're afraid of ridicule for saying otherwise, so they're astonished when they see someone who isn't afraid of being called words"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nAtheists get call fedora tipping redditor sodomite trannies here everyday, yet we keep posting."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>80\nThe God that Christians claim exists is supposed to be nonphysical, and I've never seen any evidence that nonphysical things exist.\n\n>>83\nThe last refuge of the Christcuck.\n\n>>84\n>I'm happy to suck cock for Christ! I don't care if you call me words!\nOkay buddy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Assume you had the power to modify every single implicit or explicit rule within this religion. You could ammend, rewrite, censor every single line in the hadith and quran entirely to your liking. What would you do?\nOnly one rule: For every change you make you have to elaborate on how it improves upon one or multiple already existing rules in Islam, how said rule is flawed and what your change is intended to do."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMake it a non-israelite religion with a prophetic trinity consisting of abraham, ishmael and muhammad"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI change the shahada to \"There is no god but Muhammad and Allah is his messenger\" and thus this fixes the inconsistency where Islamics will behead you for drawing a picture of their pedo prophet but don't give a shit no matter how much you insult their supposed god called Allah"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet rid of hadith and keep Quran. That's all."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nbut if mohammed is god and allah the messenger where did allah get the message (the quran) from? From Mohammed? What's the point of sending something upon yourself?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAllah receives the Quran from Muhammad and delivers it through Muhammad. Allah's just a better speaker, Muhammad is too shy (surah 33)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nis god (muhammad) allmighty all-wise in this scenario?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wouldn't change a thing."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMake idolatry towards nature permissible. I like to worship the trees, birds, and rivers.\nEverything else about Islam is based: slaughtering Christoids, putting women into place, punishing vile homosexuals, polygyny, etc.\nIf Muslims could be more eco-conscious, pro animal welfare, and get rid of all the Christcucks, the region would become perfect."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnumber 1: institute recognition of Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Living Word as part of the Holy Trinity of the Godhead\nnumber 2: make sure that women are placed above camels and 9 year old boys on the pecking order of \"things to have sex with\" and limit marriage to only one at a time\n\nI'm pretty sure that would solve 90% of Islam's problems overnight"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>marriage to only one at a time\ncucked"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">the Holy Trinity of the Godhead"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>mindless violence and oppression is le based."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWho said anything about mindless?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nMuslims already believe that about Muhammad"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>DUDE just kill people when they disagree with you"}, {"id": 17, "content": "I'd only change it so that its followers have to provide me with money."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChange it so that you can not enter paradise when you've been killed by a non-muslim."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nBased. Also fix the verse about white eyed virgins so it reads grapes as it did originally"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Also fix the verse about white eyed virgins so it reads grapes as it did originally\n>unironically falls for Christian polemics.\nWhy would the Quran refer to grapes as large-breasted women that men marry? Houri isn't an isolated word but used multiple times in the Quran."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe grape reading makes more sense than virgins by dealing with the language describing white eyes (used for indicating blindness, not beauty)\nhttps://www.livius.org/articles/misc/luxenberg-thesis/\nAlso it'd make Islam far less carnal by removing its perverted afterlife that consists of an eternity of deflowering virgins, cause right now it's basically as primitive as valhalla. Grapes are a more royal reward that is open to interpretation, also fitting well with entering Allah's (or, Muhammad's) royal garden. So it's a good change."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nPersonally i see virgins as either Earthly women or mere companions for both genders. Although i like your way of thinking too."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1)Replace Allah with Yahweh.\n2)Replace \"Jesus son of Mary\" with \"Jesus son of Joseph\".\n3)Add some stories about Jesus having multiple wives and waging against the Romans.\n4)Add some stories about Paul corrupting God's religion with the Trinity, the Virgin Birth story, and so on.\n5)Fix the lineage of Mary.\n6)Fix the lineage of Abraham.\n7)Fix the story about Abraham trying to sacrifice Ishmael.\n8)Change the Greek & Syriac names found in the Quran to their proper Hebrew version, e.g. Ilyas = Eliyahu, 'Isa = Yasu'.\n9)Allow unlimited polygamy.\n10)Remove the parts about Muhammad being too shy to tell his guess to fuck off and Muslims not being allowed to marry his wives after his death.\n11)Remove the dozens of scientific mistakes found in the Quran like semen being formed in the ribs.\n\nI would basically harmonize the Quran with the Bible, fix Muhammad's mistakes, and turn Jesus into a Chad."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Fixing Islam\nIt would require eugenics or genetic manipulation to enhance sand nigger intelligence."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nYou're a spiritual midwit."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nSeethe mudslime"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Basically get rid of ahadith and sunnah, It improves the religion because everything that is barbaric, backwards, superstitious, destructive, and restrictive about Islam is found in the hadith and sunnah, which themselves are impossible to prove and only codified decades if not centuries after the death of Muhammad. Literally just enough people saying the same thing, regardless of its quality or the quality of those people, is a criterion for strong hadith and no one sees anything wrong with that."}, {"id": 28, "content": "I know just the fix."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>fix the lineage of abraham\ncould you elaborate on that ?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nIn surat al-Anam, Abraham is said to be the son of Azar instead of Terah. By \"fixing\" I mean editing \"Azar\" to \"Terah\".\n\nftfm"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt can't be fixed because it's inherently flawed"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere should have been a hard taboo against inbreeding in islam like there was in europe. Islam singlehandedly destroyed the genetic state of practically every population between Morocco and Pakistan over the last fourteen centuries.\n\nThe strange thing is that native european muslims, such as bosnians, don't do cousin marriages and shit like that to my knowledge despite following the same religion."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"fixing\" religion.\nOmg why are people like this? Just Leave it or stop making regions try to bend to you. Look at what went on in the Anglican church when they tried to appeal to the Cause célèbre of the day."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>don't do cousin marriages\nStill inbred among the many isolated areas. Inbreeding isn't just cousin marriages contrary to your statements. Isolation is huge part, even if everyone around you is \"not related\" they may still share very simialr genes to you"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet rid of circumcision\n\n>For every change you make you have to elaborate on how it improves upon one or multiple already existing rules in Islam, how said rule is flawed and what your change is intended to do.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc [Embed]"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nHow will this change anything?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All women are whores now. Thank you feminism.\n\nI mean that unironically. I actually love whores."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou'd get tired of her"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased and blessed trips. I love sexually liberated women."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPerhaps. But I'd still prefer to smash and get bored than never smashing at all."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I prefer petite women I can fit in the hand/grab hold and pin down to my chest\nNo thanx booby mound flesh/soap factory"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThis is a retarded comment because I've never had a gf in real life but I never get tired of camgirls that I like. If I was the kind of man that attractive girls likes so I could get an attractive gf I'm sure I would never \"get tired of her\"."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many christchucks on itt?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuD4GeAw4ps [Embed]\n\n>Let us party while war occurs in our back yard/home country we escape from"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>This is a retarded comment because I've never had a gf in real life but I never get tired of camgirls that I like\nHoly shit dude that's why. You don't realize that when you're dealing with an actual woman she uses her sexuality in order to turn you into a slave little by little it gets tiring after a while cuz you're constantly fighting with that."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>I never get tired of camgirls that I like\nYeah, no shit, they're always bringing their A game to get you to cough up more cash. In a relationship - especially with an attractive woman - she'll put on that sort of a show for the first few weeks, and turn into a manipulative cunt as soon as she thinks she's got you hooked."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>I never get tired of camgirls\n\nOf course you don't you don't live with them. You only see them when they are acting like whores and likely don't even truely interact with them."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nI was tired of her halfway through that 7 second webm."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey were always whores anon. They are just bitches too now."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Built for Dutch cock"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Kill yourself. Don't make a mess."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nThis."}, {"id": 17, "content": "'Baboon fuck', or what does she say in the end?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's pretty neat honestly, virtually every westerner that comes to my country in the summer is a slut"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Sauce on the chick"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nkaty perry"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat Xanax stare"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nExquisite bait"}, {"id": 23, "content": "WTF IS THAT!?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nI love non westerners who pretend their women won't whore out given the chance, as if sluts are stop existing when you cross their borders."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nDick suckin muscle"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nwrinkle that escaped the filters she has on"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>7\n>>18\nt.nu-male"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nDimple"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\nWhat country?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\naids"}, {"id": 31, "content": "Its OVER"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack man here, nothing wrong with women being free to choose their mates and show their skin in public"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nWomen are shit at choosing and pick whatever the media tell them though"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll her neighbors have been beating it to her ever since puberty"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Tudor England, women were expected to have sex constantly lest their mind be disturbed by \"naughty vapours\" and there were prominent writers saying that virgin women were destined for hell"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>27\nI like sexually liberated women because I get more opportunities to coom inside them. Nu-males like sexually liberated women because something something oppression something something patriarchy something something equality.\n\nWe are not the same."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nname?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm unironically a male feminist and I get pussy all the time"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\nEasy for you to say you're Black!"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfkin lul"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>it was real in my mind\nSure you do champ"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbby Mallard lookin ass"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Specifically biographical or that explain or talks in depth about his regime?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere isn't much about Pol Pot because unlike almost every other commie leader, he was super reserved and quiet and never developed a cult of personality. Also, he pretty much killed anyone that was ever loyal to him, and the others close to him that could have made some detailed biography of him probably were then captured and/or killed by the Vietnamese. Cambodia: Year Zero by Francois Ponchaud is a good introduction. It was the book that was widely credited with introducing the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge to the general public and shattered a lot of the denial of atrocities there by mainstream Western leftists."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Pol Pot: Anatomy of a Nightmare. It's equal parts biography of the man and history of Cambodia in the post world war 2 era."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou would end up in the killing fields for even asking this."}, {"id": 6, "content": "t"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>wear glasses\n>Speak French\n>Chinese ancestry"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>speak French\n\nHe was fucking Sorbonne educated which was extremely rare for any east asian leader let alone the people in his dunghill of a country."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPol Pot is mostly forgotten my dude"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would it be a stretch to draw parallels between the Russo-Ukrainian war and the Iran-Iraq war? Are we in for a stalemate? Does the \"WW1 tactics with modern equipment\" trope apply here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The final stage of this board's collapse is barely hidden politics threads on current events"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDefinitely. The main reason I'd say we are in another defensive war stage of combat is because once again tanks and armor are once again not mobile enough to catch up with the tempo of the rest of the battlefield. As a matter of fact it often annoys me that WWI and WWII are compared to Ukraine because Iran-Iraq and the Korean War are the best comparisons we have for a number of reasons."}, {"id": 4, "content": "is this inspired by the thread on the most brutal war?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow long until zelensky sends child soldiers into human wave attacks at bakhmut?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>human wave attacks at bakhmut\nYou do realize Ukraine is defending, right? It's Wagner which is using prisoners for human wave attacks on Ukrainian positions."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n\nthey're getting there"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>you can never counterattack while defending"}, {"id": 9, "content": "I think Ukraine has too much western training, intelligence, and equipment to assume this will become a decade-long meatgrinder. The steppe terrain is also far more suited to maneuever than Korea or Iran."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nIsn't the entire point of studying history to apply it to now? To learn from it? To not repeat le same mistakes? Don't even have a history board if parallels can't be drawn."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nWhat about the humanities part"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW1 wasn't a stalemate, what was left of the Entente won"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nTo be fair the parts of Iran and Iraq the Iran-Iraq war was fougt on was flat desert. You can actually still see entrenchments from the Iran-Iraq war on the Al-Fao peninsula and the adjacent area in Iran near Khorramshahr:\n!4m6!3m5!1s0x3fc5ea706dd10431:0x2a56bedba0eb8647!8m2!3d29.9811696!4d48.4675659!16zL20vMDV5X2Q4"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>Korean War\nRedpill me on how Korea is more like Iran-Iraq than WW2."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI was saying that the Korean and Iran-Iraq wars were more like the war in Ukraine than the World Wars are in both scale and tactics. Also, Korean War was a large-scale conventional defensive war fought in a single theater, much like Iran-Iraq was."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nAfter the stalemate was achieved Korean war had very few engagements of units above company size and was basically full on trench warfare"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nKorea was a static trench war for most of its duration. the first third of it was much more like WW2 with a very fast moving and dynamic front but by late 1951, neither side could really make much progress. Whenever the communists went on the offensive and launched a fresh new big push they were decimated by massive American firepower, while on the inverse the Reds were dug in deeper than Mississippi ticks and rooting them out of the North entirely would have been a slow, grinding Okinawa-tier bloodbath with losses heavy enough that the American public would have no stomach for it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nThe Western front was a stalemate from 1914-1918, while the Central Powers were knocking out the Eastern and Southern powers with their B forces."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could the India-Pakistan War in the 1990s have gone nuclear?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hope it did desu"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf it lasted a little longer they would have annihilated the entire subcontinent"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is there no religion board?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCosts money and most religitards are already in one place. There's no guarantee that they'll migrate there and if jannies abandoned this board what makes you think /rel/ would be even better in quality, even for religious posters?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Because jannies hate us for the doing it for free maymay"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/his/ would be less active than the fucking origami board without religitards bickering"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is a religion board >>>/x/\nThe only reason why nobody posts there is because you cant get any (You)'s"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt was more active before they ruined the board"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're on it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI'm actually fine with that. Sometimes I'll want to check out a particular thread and it's already gone by the time I get home from my wage cage and replaced with autistic religious bullshit that serves literally no purpose"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>ever since the christcucks invaded, we only have five \"heres how Hitler could have win\" threads instead of ten!"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Please vote\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nNewfag"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nIt wouldn't, you adhd retard"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere's /christian/ on 8kun"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere should be a /rel/. It would be an absolute shitshow of entertainment, I'd add it to my list regularly visited boards, guaranteed. I hate having hist wrecked by constant \"Jesus christ totes existed because I'm compelled by idiocy and an amusingly low evidence threshold to keep advocating for it\" threads."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\nThat would be a really nice improvement."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nDo you think that's worse than haplo charts?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\n>>16\nYou're exaggerating, /his/ was never just haplo and WWII threads. There used to be a variety of different topics"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBanning religion wouldn't make all these good topics appear again because this board has been overrun. You'd have one board for WWII and haplo posting and other race baiting and another for bait threads about religions."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiberals own 4chan"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nNone of the history threads up right now are about WWII. There is one haplo thread. The rest of the history threads are being drowned out by the low quality religion threads."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nI suppose the compromise would be a rule that only one religion threads is allowed to be up at a time. General religion, not any specific one."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\nSo far we have an 8-1 vote for a religion board."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy didn’t you make a history thread if you’re tired of all the religion threads? Instead you made a bitching about religion. You are a pet of the problem."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Jannies will ban christcukc yes man"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\nYES\n\nMy end goal is competing /jihad/ and /deusvult/ generals on the /rel/ board. Maybe an /inq/ general too. Just sounds very fun."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nYes, and fedoraposting needs to be banned from it"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>8\nYes, slower boards are higher quality. But r3ddit trannies and /pol/tards are having proxy wars here, so it's basically over."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>WAAAAH I NEEED MY SAFE SPACE WAAAAAH"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>10\nThe vote now stands at 12-1 for a religion board. I would still like to get some more votes in for a larger sample size, but at this rate I think it's safe to say the majority of /his/ want a separate religion board."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Moot thought a history would just be /pol/ with dates, so he added religion to the board to combat that.\n\nHe just made it worse"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>9\n>>10\nGet rid of:\n>religion\n>race/ haplogroups\n>WWII/ Hitler\n>Post WWI history in general\n\nand this board would be what I consider perfect."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">be 4chan owners\n>make like 50 video game boards 5 years ago\n>split and never come back\n\nReligion board would be kino, i like discussing religion, and it would help /x/ /his/ /lit/ be cleared of christ tards"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJannies and mods abandoned this site years ago"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is it. should be /x/ but religiotards take exception when sent to their rightful place."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\nDidn't m00t describe this exact kind of predictable cancer for why he refused to make /his/ in the first place?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nI cant remember, but if he did, then he was right. That's more of an argument for /rel/ existing."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nHe didn't want to make /his/ because of the stupid threads like HRE vs Byzantium, Catholic vs Protestant, Meds vs Nords, Japan vs China, etc., that would inevitably appear, and he was clearly right. A religion board would be that times two. Since Hiro is fine with the degradation of this website by brazilians and seaniggers making such threads it's odd he hasn't done it yet."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nNothing wrong with those threads if they're contained in the correct board."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\n>this board would be what I consider perfect\nlike a crypt?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it would be even more inactive than this board"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHistory is religion. That's why idiot."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nchill tf out satan"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nGo fuck a duck, schmuck. Lmao"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>2\nhistory is bullshit and religion is bullshit so they are identical. synonyms."}, {"id": 45, "content": "/x/"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nYes, they should combine all three (paranormal, history, religion), as the backer of 4chan suggested to reduce costs."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\nGood Smile"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nYou're part of the cancer killing this board"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nNo, you are. I'm a high effort poster who doesn't want constant religion threads. I want to talk history and humanities, you sound fucking retarded."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>Wants daily threads of brown retards screeching about the exact same pop history topics and race baiting\nPerhaps you put in a lot of effort into dreadful posts. You don't want to talk about history or humanities, you want to argue with pajeets about which race raped what. m00t understood very well that you are a cancer."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be incredibly disjointed. It would be a mishmash of /lit/, /his/, /pol/, /x/, and a little /sci/. That's not even including atheists who would come over to troll or debate. You'd have schizos talking about the archons next to people talking about some papal bull from 1502."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nYou sound stupid as fuck, get out"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly /rel/ should have been made before anyone considered /his/, because /x/ needed a religious containment board to save it. It's too late now and it's probably already too late to salvage /his/, but hey at least we got a vidya mobile board that the mods never actually enforced as a containment board for mobile games, so now it's actually faster to talking about Genshit on /v/ still instead of the dedicated board LMAO"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>39\nYes, quality not quantity. The ideal amount of posts would be roughly equivalent to /po/ or any of the 8ch boards. Maybe one or two posts an hour."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What kind of household items were common in Europe before metal tools were invented (neolithic)?\nDid they make buckets out of clay? How did they carry water?\nWere they using wooden bowls, or clay ones?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know much about Europe specifically but pottery did exist in the neolithic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nClay jugs, baskets, stone tools, animal furs, rudimentary textiles. All the things you'd expect really."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Yes, clay for most vessels, cooking pots, storage jars etc. Maybe some carved wood or birch bark containers for smaller things."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Haven't humans have been stoneworkers for gorillion years? That's plenty of opportunity to dig out metal and wonder what uses it provides. Metal was never invented, it has always been used by the tribes who had the intelligence to build it."}, {"id": 6, "content": "the greatest tool ever invented"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything, even electric appliances"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey made very nice clay pottery"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the concept of a \"reprobate\" found in the original Greek or was it a later invention?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's there"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish concept\n\n>>2\nNo it’s not"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The concept of a \"reprobate\" is found in the original Greek New Testament, although the term itself is not used in the Greek text. The Greek word that is often translated as \"reprobate\" in English Bibles is \"adokimos\" (ἀδόκιμος), which means \"unapproved,\" \"rejected,\" or \"disqualified.\"\n\nIn the New Testament, the term \"adokimos\" is used to refer to people who have been deemed unworthy or disqualified, often in a spiritual or moral sense. For example, in 2 Corinthians 13:5-7, the apostle Paul urges his readers to examine themselves to see whether they are in the faith, saying \"Or do you not realize about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you, unless you actually fail the test? And I hope you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test. But we pray to God that you may not do wrong—not that we may appear to have passed the test, but that you may do what is right, even though we may seem to have failed.\"\n\nWhile the specific term \"reprobate\" may not be used in the Greek New Testament, the concept of spiritual or moral disqualification is certainly present in the text. The English word \"reprobate\" is derived from the Latin \"reprobatus,\" which itself is a translation of the Greek \"adokimos.\" So while the term may have been a later invention in English, the concept it represents is certainly found in the original Greek text of the New Testament."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nis a reprobate anyone who feels no remorse for sins?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nA reprobate is one who has been predestined to damnation"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWrong\n\n(Actually wrong this time)\n\n>>5\nIt’s just a wicked person"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNope, that's what a reprobate is. It's the antonym of elect"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIt's hard to deny it after being on this site for some time. No one but the completely damned could blaspheme as much and prance around actually wanting to be faggots or trannies or unapologetic kikes. There's no hope for this.\nThe KJV used to use the term Sons of Belial for them. Usually faggots, but not always."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI mean Sons of Belial in the OT."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nNo fathers taught this"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThe bible teaches this"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nGuess all the fathers were smoking crack then"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nIt's really telling that the first examples of sin that come to mind to you are gays and pagans (Jews) not murderers or something more undebatable about their ethics. You place gays above murderers."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nthe word freewill is literally in the Bible\n\ncalvanism is LARP fanfiction-tier take on Christianity"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a quaker idea"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What the FUCK was Russia doing during the Renaissance?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Being normal"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol, lmao"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia didn't catch up until centuries later, their renaissance was in the 1800s"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat was America and Britain doing during the Bible times up until the death and resurrection of Christ?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nLarping as the 3rd incarnation of the Roman empire\nGetting raided by Tatars\nMassacring the people of Novgorod"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCasting off the Tatar Yoke"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nTataria was a massive global empire with advanced tech, they weren't \"raiding\" anyone\n\nunless youre referring to weekend pranks by tatarian school children, which would probably seem like a raid to lesser species"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOur traditional periodization was made with catholic and protestant cultures in mind, that is to say, with western europe in mind. Orthodox cultures never had a renaissance just like they never had a baroque period or a classicist one, either."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nexpanding into Siberia"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nstraight shitholes they are, then"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Being soulful"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovy_Company"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScience stuff"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRecovering from mongol conquest."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does everyone think the US lost in Vietnam? They did what they set out to do and secured the south against an invasion by the north. The north took over because they broke the Paris Peace Accords and invaded after the US had already left yet normies act like they somehow defeated the US army in combat."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They did what they set out to do and secured the south against an invasion by the north.\n>The north took over because they broke the Paris Peace Accords and invaded\n>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this FLIMSY PIECE OF PAPER SAYS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT\ngreat fucking securing of S. Vietnam. Anyway I consider it a loss in the sense that US said fuck this shit let's go home, I.E giving up. Comparing it to a loss like Germany and WW2 or France in the Franco Prussian War is retarded though."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I blame the US military high command for not invading North Vietnam at all besides some bombings. Though from what I understand, it has to do with fear of China and Russia sending troops and vehicles and the conflict spiraling out of control to escalating to WW3 standoff."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nInvading North Vietnam would have just led to a prolonged counter insurgency that lasts until the US gets tired and fucks off.\nThe only way the US wins in Vietnam is by creating a stable and popular South Vietnamese government."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They did what they set out to do\nThey crushed the Vietcong, that was what they set out to do.\nThey never intended to move against North Vietnam and when they stopped supplying the South while Russia and China kept supporting the North then the final outcome was inevitable.\nVictory and defeat become very foggy terms when a country has a policy shift and decides to stop doing something."}, {"id": 6, "content": "French/RVN flag over Saigon = victory\nRed flag over Ho Chi Minh City = defeat\n\nIs this complicated?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>they intended to secure the existence of South Vietnam and once it became clear that they would fail they intended to disengage, so really they won!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>They crushed the Vietcong,\nNo they didn't, America just got lucky.\nHa Noi ordered the Tet offensive, despite the protests of Giap, and the Viet Cong was severely crippled after that, The NVA picked up the slack from then on. There's no guarantee that an indigenous Southern VC wouldn't have reemerged by the end of the 70s if America had stayed in South Vietnam.\n\nThe closest the US came to actually eliminating the VC was the Phoenix Program in combination with GVN Rural Pacification programs but the former was shut down because Congress didn't like the CIA committing war crimes and the GVN programs were never near as competent after the CIA was pulled out."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nIt united state of the Viet people"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina took over internet"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nThe USSR and China would have done nothing. Also China was completely paralyzed by the Cultural Revolution back then."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nretard alert!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nyellow hands typed this post. anyway, we killed 600,000 of you in Korea and could have done it again because you cannot into any military tactics except throwing bodies at the enemy until their lines break."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>falling for the chinese human wave meme"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They secured the south against an invasion by the north.\n>The north took over\ndoes not compute"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>posts nonsensical opinion on vietnam war\n>gets called retarded\n>accuses me of being a chink\nworks out"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nback to being paid 25 cents a day to assemble iPhones, Zhao"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk Mr. Nixon, you won the war, let's get you to bed now."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoesn’t sound so secure if the north was able to take over."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\n> it became clear that they would fail\nThat was not clear at all after the Tet Offensive.\nThe decision to turn the war over to the Vietnamese and gradually leave was made. South Vietnam did not collapse from this like Afghanistan did. Only when they also cut off supplies did they lose.\n\nThere were hundreds of tanks sitting in warehouses in Saigon that they couldn't use because the US wouldn't ship spare parts."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>US spends a decade trying to install their puppet government\n>pull out\n>puppet government loses all morale and is overthrown by the insurgency\nHow many times has this happened?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nThe south fell because the US cut aid to them while the north was getting support from the USSR and China"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Why should I base my knowledge off the five sences?? It's not like if I pick up this pistol and shoot m-saaaaaakkk!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Atheists deny reality"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>This pistol isn't rea-aaaaakkkk!!! Bang!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe entirety of science is based on the idea that you can't just take what your 5 senses inform you about and you need to investigate further."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThere’s at least one christoid on this board that denies the utility of even using your senses to read instruments and verify measurements.\nIs he mentally ill? Yes."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>reality\nYou guys don't even know what correct holes to put your dicks in."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nMouths and pussies, I’m not a fan of anal but hey who am I to judge"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nthere is no correct hole, only correct size"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWhy do you retards think sexual degeneracy is an exclusively atheist thing? Niggers do it the most and they're highly religious."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nHmmm let me check out this Bible …plants and flowers…then the stars and sun are created….talking snake…who lived for 700 years?\n\nYeah, not truth, sorry. “It’s not a science book” yeah far from that, it’s at a lower level than a kids book about nature"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nWhy is the ack before the bang?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmeds\ninmediatly"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nLmao nice post from a guy following the no pussy getting religion pushing Christianity on 4chan in 2023"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI know that to you \"pussy\" includes a man's anus so I'll suffer that."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nWow nice side-step trying to avoid the fact that you chose to follow a religion where getting pussy from women is a bad thing."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust trust these (((approved sources))) that you can't actually verify instead of reliable traditions that have governed human societies for as long as they have existed."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThere's nothing wrong with your wife's pussy."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>reliable traditions that have governed human societies for as long as they have existed.\nLike the Hindu caste system?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nIt’s pretty funny that these types of posts come from people who haven’t worked in a lab and seemingly have never even been on a university campus to discover that tons of everyday people have conducted science experiments and participated in studies.\n\nChristians always talk as if science is done by a small group in an underground bunker they can’t access lmao"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\nPost modernists are the modern Christians. They both deny reality"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nYeah anon the fat guy in the leather jacket will probably have an ugly wife like you someday too, but your religion highly rewards weird sexually unappealing nerds by saying getting pussy from multiple women is a bad thing, which is exactly why it’s so popular here.\n\nNo one who isn’t a complete 4chan incel doesn’t know this"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\n>Muh homos"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>6\n>u disagree with me lol ur gay\nStill not a single post proving god exists. Just more pussyfooting and discussion derailment."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>>23\nseething, looks like he hit a little close to home"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nHe has no argument and calls anyone who disagrees with him a faggot. That 99% of christcuck arguments. You're literally a fucking leftist in your mannerisms and arguments."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nLast I checked you should cut your balls off matt 19:12"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nHe and I are different people. “You disagree with me, so you must be gay” is not an argument."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>6\n>they hated Him because He told them the truth"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>urgayurgayurgay lalalala I can't hear you\nSo we were having a discussion if you have the balls to actually >>1 (OP) put forth a real philosophical defense of your faith."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nK"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nPhilosophy is bullshit, religion has all the answers."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>16\n>let's opposed the jews\n>by worshipping a rabbi\n\n4chan Christianity in a nutshell"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI made the original version of this meme years ago on /qa/. It was the markiplier wojak being crucified with the two pointing wojaks in front of him dressed as roman soldiers. It wasn't even supposed to depict Jesus, just a crucifixion."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI bow. Im such a newfag that I didn't even know qa was a thing until it got shut down. Now that I realize all the good memes came from there it really breaks my heart."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>10\nlol the bible is a complex philosofical and historical book and if you disagree you've literally never read it before. stupid\ngenesis is not literal and it's way more complex (just like the rest of the book) than your ant brain can comprehend. I won't elaborate since it would take hours of conversation, so go fuck yourself before trying to criticize something you ain't know a shit about"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nI have, it isn't"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Italian Americans basically disappear?\n\nI come from an Italian family, our neighborhood used to be Italian, our church used to be Italian, there used to be restaurants, tailors, bakers, etc\n\nNow all our neighbors are hispanic or asian, the church is hispanic, the restaurants are all closed, the small businesses are all gone"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey got borged into the white American macro-group, Mike. Also probably moved to greener pastures in Arizona or some place like that."}, {"id": 3, "content": "First they got blanda'd with other Catholics and Meds, then they disappeared into the generic Amerimutt race"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat'd be white Americans. The mutts have a way of blending everything into faux ethnic groups based on racial lines."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou think that's bad try being an Anglo American. We've lost more here than most ethnic groups ever even had."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's wrong with that? You think Italians didn't replace anyone or communities when they immigrated to America?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhat do you mean exactly?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Now all our neighbors are hispanic or asian\nYou kinda answered your own question here"}, {"id": 9, "content": "We assimilated into wider American society as racism and discrimination against us faded away so we didn’t need to ghettoize in ethnic enclaves for survival.\n\nOur culture bled into the fabric of America. Our food, our slang, New York/New Jersey accents, Mafia history, Columbus Day, Italian Horns, our prominence in media & entertainment, etc."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they wanted to be Italian why didn't they just stay in Italy?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can blame JFK's immigration policies, Left wing support of non-European descent for ez votes, and right-wing support for cheap neo-slavery labor."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nWhat slang and prominence in media & entertainment?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThe word “yo” is of Italian origin."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Italian culture has always been one of trash, since the only thing anybody knows them for is beign trashy criminals all their \"cultural centers\" disintegrated. All the low income housing was taking by the next wave of shitheads and forced them all out of their own neighborhoods. And they didn't want to give the italians business because immigrants are also super racist, go figure. The only thing they have going for them are restaurants, and nobody cares about eating out anymore. They also don't have a culture outside of living in squalid apartments, and actually revel in that fact. A wop rubs their greasy palms together at the thought of living in a project and that fact also adds to their quick irradiation culturally"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou said it. The cozy Italian pride has been replaced by unbased pride from other immigrants"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nIt's amazing to see all the beautiful parks and such built for their descendants and grandchildren completely filled with foreigners who never ever ever had someone in the family die for freedom. It's disgusting"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nWASPs are no longer the dominant ruling elite of America."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nHow do you know this?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have no clue. Is it normal for italian-americans to intermarry? If so thats your answer"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>>17\nJews are"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>If they wanted to be Italian why didn't they just stay in Italy?\nThey didnt want to stay italian however they still carried their culture with an understanding it would all get lost eventually. Assimilation takes at least 3 generations, many more for black people"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nMost federal politicians, generals, and billionaires are Anglo-Germans dude"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nWhat makes you think they carried their culture with an understanding it would all get lost eventually?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nthey're the original niggers."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nYou can’t touch someone without being touched yourself. Culture is constantly changing in response to interaction."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\nthe Italians we got in America were terroni ie. the impoverished, Mafia-ridden part of Italy. all the nice prosperous middle class north Italians moved to Argentina. almost every I-A has a southern surname."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nproving how much better north italians are, since south america is first world and not a total shithole."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nArgentina truly shows polentone excellence."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nkys"}, {"id": 30, "content": "I literally just saw an Italian. They are still kicking around their enclaves."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSecond-third generations got an education and improved as an ethnic group, as such, moved out, and new immigrants moved in."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>14\nt. American with no history or culture"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\n>Argentina is a shithole\n>Tons of Italian descendants are poor in Argentina\n>Ancient Greeks most resemble southern Italians genetically\n>Most of the beta food, cinema, culture, art, comes from Southern Italy\nRetard"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEthnic harakiri into scots-irish pussy"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>americans don't have culture!\n>utterly dismantles all immigrant culture that comes here"}, {"id": 36, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HQ9nFmSPo0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nTBF, while we do culturally disarm foreigners into being american, it’s not as if we don’t adopt any of their culture Here in Michigan, Polish and Cornish immigrants contributed to Paczkis (Fat Tuesday jelly donut) and Pasty’s."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were assimilated into the \"White\" legal category of race in the early 20th century. This was meant to offset the creation of more ethnic enclaves and improve social cohesion.\n>>5\nWhere even would a person find Anglos in America today? Maine?\n>>15\n>migrants who subvert your White anglo society with crime\n(:\n>migrants who subvert your White anglo society with crime, but not White\n):<\n>>16\nNone of your Ellis island trash ancestors built this country either.\n>>37\nAmerica doesn't adopt from other cultures so much as commodify their gastronomy and clothing styles. I don't think burgers would be associated with America as strongly had McDonalds never existed."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nget fucking killed."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Where even would a person find Anglos in America today? Maine?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>1990\nMay as well be 1950. Got anything current?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nIt's not any different, just a slightly higher percentage of mexicans in the southwest."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe they realized that pretending to be fully Italian just cause their nonna migrated from Naples 4 generations before was ridiculous"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\n>Where even would a person find Anglos in America today?\nMost whites in the south are of Anglo ancestry. A fair bit of the white population on the west coast is also Anglo. Germans settled all over the plains states and midwest, displacing the Anglo populations there."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nUtah, nonironically. 1820s-era Anglos formed a cult and took over a plateau nobody else wanted, not even the Indians. They're still there, being stupid."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey survive within Carl Brutananadilewski - the icon of theItalian-American spirit."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>10\nSouth Italy/Sicily (where most of them came from) were and are shitholes."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNowadays but in ancient times those were the centers of culture in Europe/ Parmenides the philosopher was a Southern Italian in the Greek colonies there."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nNot at the time that the Italian immigrations were happening in the 1800/early 1900s though."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nwhy's my only chance at life being a nigger."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAssimilated and miscegenated into the American blob"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>14\nDante, Petrarch, Michael Angelo, Galileo, Fermi, etc."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>assimilated"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>38\n>Where even would a person find Anglos in America today? Maine?\nUtah from the maps or whatever I've seen"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>48\nWewuzkangs in the pleistocene n shiet"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, you aren't Italian just because your name is Joe Pazani"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>immigrants are bad because they refuse to assimilate\n>omg why did globohomo have to assimilate the italians\n\nWhy are cuckservatives like this?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>23\n>with an understanding it would all get lost\nBecause kids dont grow up in Italy and unless they get locked up in their rooms they will be totally exposed to a new culture so its obvious what the long term effect will be"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>27\nTheres also far more niggers in the US, doesnt mean the US is rich for having more niggers or terroni."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>53\n> Al Capone's son Sonny legally changed his name to Albert Francis Brown in 1966 to remove ties to Capone."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>37\nMichigan is a europoor colony though? Most people in the cities there aren't native, so of course there's going to be something left over"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>53\n>Mary Josephine Capone (née Coughlin; April 11, 1897 – April 16, 1986) was the Irish-American wife of gangster Al Capone."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey melted in the pot"}, {"id": 64, "content": "There aren’t new waves of Italian immigration to feed into the neighborhood and eventually the newer generations get baked into the loaf of white bread. A Puerto Rican neighborhood will always have a flow of people coming to and from the island but that stopped a while ago for the Italians."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat town are you from? You can absolutely find “authentic” Italian-Americans all throughout the tristate area, but yeah plenty of towns have had “White flight” and now are dominated by blacks and Hispanics."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>5\n>Anglo American\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGuidobros...."}, {"id": 68, "content": "the best advice i can give for whites is to get away from niggers. no matter where you need to go, just get away."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>2\nThis.\n>>1 (OP)\nThey just got assimilated genetically and culturally by the much larger White American group.\nMy family is a good example of this. My great grandmother was the last fully Italian family member by blood. She had a daughter with an Anglo-American. Then her daughter had kids with some Slav. Now it got dwindled down to me where it’s so small as to be 1/8. I would never actually call myself Italian based on that—it’d be cringe but also barely true. My kids will have even less of that blood. I don’t even look Italian; my brother has blue eyes and my kids will probably have blue eyes.\nMy grandmother kept some surface level cultural things, like eating a lot of pasta, but that’s really it. Any other Italian cultural things have been lost.\nAlso, the neighborhoods are just being replaced by the new poor immigrants. Most Italians, like my great grandmother, married well and got out of those shitty neighborhoods and assimilated."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\n'sup dilbert"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFellow Italian American here, pretty much what you said is the reason. Voting demographics change, the second generation raise an apathetic third generation, they marry brownoids and vote blue, they are superseded by migrants for cheap labor, the ones who have managed to stay whole pack up and leave urban centers and go somewhere rural because they don't want to feel like a minority.\nAaaaand, repeat."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>2\n/thread."}, {"id": 74, "content": "go to staten island"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe next gen is taught to go the straight arrow, no more funny business.\nMany end up druggies anyway because they werent given any unique skillsets other than the shitty standardized public or catholic school education. the brick laying stuff is being done by new immigrants.\n\nIts a doggy dog world out there"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>5\nThe average white American, regardless of ethnicity, is for all wants and purposes indiscernible from the country's original WASP founding stock. Catholic whites celebrate Thanksgiving here just like Protestants whites do."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause ArgieCHADs Won"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nI agree. However, that isn't always true for the first generation and they are allowed to vote as well so who knows how they may have changed things from how they might have been otherwise. Im not saying it was bad or good I don't even know, just saying it was different. We don't even have English as an official language here for fuck sake. Besides, people who aren't English tend to identify as 'Italian American\" or \"Irish American\" ect. To be honest I don't even really think of myself as \"Anglo American\" until ethnicities are brought up I usually just think of myself as American."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>OP learns about assimilation"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\n*Rigged"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEthnic genocide through assimilation"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>14\n>Italian culture has always been one of trash, since the only thing anybody knows them for is beign trashy criminals all their \"cultural centers\" disintegrated. All the low income housing was taking by the next wave of shitheads and forced them all out of their own neighborhoods. And they didn't want to give the italians business because immigrants are also super racist, go figure. The only thing they have going for them are restaurants, and nobody cares about eating out anymore. They also don't have a culture outside of living in squalid apartments, and actually revel in that fact. A wop rubs their greasy palms together at the thought of living in a project and that fact also adds to their quick irradiation culturally"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>7\n\"WASP\" culture (which is actually just \"respectable Americans with a decent education\" culture) is actively derided in our pop culture these days. Any sort of expression of distinctly YANKEE pride is looked down upon as not just goofy or dorky, but even as amoral and \"Nazi\"-esque.\nInstead of being proud of our Pilgrim forefathers, who brought printing presses and founded schools immediately upon landing in America, we see Pilgrims and Puritans being blamed for present day problems and being mocked and rejected as \"evil prudish people\".\nInstead of being proud of the fact that Boston Brahmins actually know how to dress properly and developed our own distinctly American style of suits, chinos, etc. We make fun of that fashion as being nerdy & see it as elitist and therefore also evil.\nInstead of being proud of our intellectual traditions and institutions (Harvard, Boston Latin School, William and Mary, UVA, Yale, Dartmouth, Phillips Exeter, Phillips Andover, etc.) we see our institutions get hijacked and turned into laughing stocks (see how the French reject American academia these days) and they even have the gall to remove references honoring the founders of these institutions (Harvard removed all mention of Pilgrims in their school hymn).\nWhat we call \"\"WASPs\"\" (what I can AMERICANS) have basically been kicked out of their own throne, in their own home, and are now forced to see others make fun of them for it and celebrate our demise. It's abominable!\nI give it another 10 years before the statues of Puritans and Pilgrims in Boston and Cambridge get taken down by the Iconoclasm"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nI blame catholicism\nEver since the Kennedy's , the irish, the italians, American has turned into this MickWopper abomination. Catholics are anti-individualists and almost commies at heart"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\ncatholic ellis islanders are evil"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nBro this is one of the few non-religion threads, please be respectful. And everyone else who is about to answer with something autistic do the same. I'm literally begging you at this point"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>76\nI would say that all White Americans have essentially become one ethnicity. And since they’ve adopted English, a culture closely related to and descended from Anglos, and Anglo legal tradition, theyre basically some sort of Anglo. However, I think we have moved very far away from what was the WASP founding stock. It’s more like WASPs and other European ethnicities have synthesized into a new group: White Americans.\nAlso, there are some hyphenated Americans that still resist this label and that would be first generation Europeans or even some small, disappearing communities that cling to the home country more, like the Italians in the sopranos."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nI wouldn't even blame Catholicism, after all we always had people like Charles Carroll or other Catholic prominent members of society in the USA.\nThe issue however definitely is Ellis Island related. They're the ones who popularized the \"Nation of Immigrants\" mantra that is now hammered into us. God forbid you take pride in American things developed by the founding population of the country, now we are told that everything in the USA comes from immigrants and apparently nobody was ever actually born here to a long rooted family.\nInstead of celebrating actual American cultural developments, we just celebrate commercialized LARPs of being Italian or Irish, it's fucking absurd. Scandinavians do this shit too for that matter, \"oh we are Vikings, praise Thor and Odin!\" and shit, as if their ancestors weren't Lutheran potato farmers."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>Scandinavians do this shit too for that matter, \"oh we are Vikings, praise Thor and Odin!\" and shit, as if their ancestors weren't Lutheran potato farmers.\nI mean technically if you are west/central/northern European far, far more of your ancestors lived and died believing in Thor than Jesus"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nI mean yeah sure, but even the English and the Dutch had ancestors who worshiped Donnar/Thunor/Thor, but you never see them doing this shit.\nI think English, Dutch, and Welsh descendants are the only people in this country who don't heritage LARP"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nMy family is British and I definitely heritage larp, to the extent that I’m proud of it and I love learning about Britain’s history."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImmigration policy from WW1 prohibited Italians from coming in.\n\nItalians didn't do anything about corrupt priests in the Roman Catholic Church leading to further disunity.\n\nThe Italian Mafia sucked with enforcement and security and trusted in the Jewish Mafia too much.\nTheir petty rivalry with the Irish mobs also hurt Roman Catholic unity.\n\nHere in my town the Italians mixed with Polish, Irish, and Scottish, but will LARP as 100% Italian."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>83\nI was lead to believe my mother's side was all Irish.\n\nTurns out we have more English and some Scottish.\n\nMy views on theology turned more Protestant and I converted to Anglicanism from Roman Catholicism.\n\nSome of the family was Puritan/Congregational.\nFrom what I've learned about Cromwell & Co., I despise Cromwell."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>33\n>>27\nItalians created a first world country in Argentina, it's not their fault the country got filled with browns that vote for gibs after the 1970s.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/YhTrmYzp4gE [Embed]\nVGH..."}, {"id": 95, "content": "get shot in the head"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>83\n>which is actually just \"respectable Americans with a decent education\" culture\nNo. You just made that up to get your eurotrash migrant ancestors' foot in the door. Anglo culture is anglo culture."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItaly got rich, and they stopped moving to America. I see the same thing happening with the Chinese here in Canada."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou have been great replaced dago"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>Italy got rich"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nNow if only you could go back as well Zhang."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>96\n>You just made that up to get your eurotrash migrant ancestors' foot in the door.\nFirst, we MADE the door. There's no USA for others to immigrate to if we hadn't created the USA to begin with.\nSecondly, there's a very clear divide between Aussies and Americans, Brits and Americans, Kiwis and Americans, etc. Yes we are all related and similar-ish, but then again the Portuguese and Spanish are also related and similar while still being distinct from one and other.\n\nYankeedom is Yankeedom, we are from America and nowhere else. As John Adams said: while I do live, let me have a country!"}, {"id": 102, "content": "kys"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>83\nWhy are you extrapolating yankeedom into all of anglo-America."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>17\nThey are, it's just most Anglos don't identify openly as Anglos or explicify their cultural roots. It may be because they just dominate the worlds culture now."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nWASPs should just enjoy this empire they've built. It's not going to last forever you know. Oh and also try your best to not mass desert the army if you can. Or be reduced to mostly controlling the soft levers of power."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nNot getting roman aristocrat'd is the desired scenario."}, {"id": 107, "content": "The traditional American racial hierarchy was for centuries just Anglos vs Blacks. It's what American culture built itself around and is how it views the world. It's so entrenched that when a bajillion non-anglos like Irish and Sicilians and Slavs and Jews came in the 1860's and changed that, Americas entire society was so intristicly tied to the Black/Anglo dynamic that it could not survive dealing with having multiple other groups entering. So in order to keep America from having to entirely restructure itself they simply let all the Newcomers into the Anglo club. Make no mistake. In America \"White\" means Anglo. Maybe not in blood but in language and custom. No matter how much some Italian-American brags about his grandmas pasta he is intristicly an Anglo in his soul, he may claim connection to Sicily but it is to Suffix, Gloustershire, Northumberland, and Lincolnshire which his heart truly loves and desires."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\n>[\nFit into the theory that there are only 2 real ethics in latin america, white or black. and everything else just turns into a bizarre and confused cholo."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nThis is the most retarded thing I have read on this board"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>57\nIt's retarded because you are taking it at face value. You aren't supposed to actually think about culture and immigrants or whatever, but read between the lines and nod in agreement at your mutual hatred of brown people."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nas long you pray the Saints and eat the pasta of mama you 're still a good italian, me think so"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\n>me think so\n*methinks\n\nstupid nigger\n\nps. I would also accept 'meseems'"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nso this isnt a tax policy disagreement?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>99\nAnyone got some pics of the giant trash heaps in the streets of Naples?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\n>such a shithole they let the mafia run their trash services because the government is incapable"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>5\nGood"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>103\nSame reason Tuscany became the International image of Italy and Castilia the international image of Spain."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>109\nNo he's absolutely right. There's a reason why the French, the Italians, the Latinos, the Russians, etc. All call the USA \"Anglo-Saxon\". Assimilated \"\"\"Italian\"\"\" Americans and whatnot are all Anglo-brained. They subscriber to Anglo political ideologies and thinking. Their ideas about economics are abominable to an actual Italian, their attitudes towards morality and so forth is utterly alien to continental Europe."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>83\nThat's the inevitable consequence of Americanness. The US was founded as a multicultural nation, and as an agglomeration of diverse peoples. The use of English as lingua franca was an accident, more than anything. The idea of 'America' was always one of a vast landmass offering individual freedom, regardless of language, ethnicity or religion.\n\n>>103\nWhere else could be called 'Anglo'? Speaking English doesn't equate to being an 'Anglo' people, or Nigerians and Indians would qualify just as much as Texans and Californians. Only a tiny fraction of the US was ever under British rule or colonised by the English, and people of English descent were a minority even in the Thirteen Colonies by the time of the Revolution (when America's denizens - including a wealthy, landed class of Anglo origin - fought a war specifically not to be 'Anglo')."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nNew England was undisputably Anglo."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\n>Where else could be called 'Anglo'? Speaking English doesn't equate to being an 'Anglo' people, or Nigerians and Indians would qualify just as much as Texans and Californians. Only a tiny fraction of the US was ever under British rule or colonised by the English, and people of English descent were a minority even in the Thirteen Colonies by the time of the Revolution (when America's denizens - including a wealthy, landed class of Anglo origin - fought a war specifically not to be 'Anglo').\nstop lying"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>118\nJust as the Founding Fathers intended. Anglification complete."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>76\n>Catholic whites celebrate Thanksgiving here just like Protestants whites do.\nI'm not sure if this insults Catholics or is a bigger insult to the original Protestants"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\nI love how they include Paca and Rodney as Italian when they barely have any Italian blood. Absolute joke."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>103\n>>119\n>>121\nIt's really ironic the Yankees put down their Southern relatives as irrelevant, but still demand respect from them when their demographics are intact while the Yankees are in a ditch\nAlso before you go yelling that I am coping, I come from a Northern Irish family"}, {"id": 126, "content": "Maybe today but not originally. People like HP Lovecraft were horrified at the Italians and other Southern and Eastern European immigrants.\n\n\"Garish daylight showed only squalor and alienage and the noxious elephantiasis of climbing, spreading stone where the moon had hinted of loveliness and elder magic; and the throngs of people that seethed through the flume-like streets were squat, swarthy strangers with hardened faces and narrow eyes, shrewd strangers without dreams and without kinship to the scenes about them, who could never mean aught to a blue-eyed man of the old folk, with the love of fair green lanes and white New England village steeples in his heart.\"\n\n\"So instead of the poems I had hoped for, there came only a shuddering blackness and ineffable loneliness; and I saw at last a fearful truth which no one had ever dared to breathe before—the unwhisperable secret of secrets—the fact that this city of stone and stridor is not a sentient perpetuation of Old New York as London is of Old London and Paris of Old Paris, but that it is in fact quite dead, its sprawling body imperfectly embalmed and infested with queer animate things which have nothing to do with it as it was in life.\""}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nHP Lovecraft was basically just correct about where his homeland was going and accurately predicted that even the Irish and Italians would flee New York as Chinese and other groups became too much for even them"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>120\n>>121\nIn terms of the inhabitants, those of English descent were the majority but there were also huge quantities of Scots, Irishmen, Dutchmen, Germans, Frenchman and Scandinavians. Also, New England accounts for less than half of the original thirteen states of the US.\n\nIt's clear that there was an elite of landed and wealthy individuals of English descent, including Jefferson and Adams (who claimed in a letter to his wife that the states of New England were superior to the the other seven on account of their 'purer' English blood). However, it's worth noting that these men fought a war not to be English. They essentially used the notion of 'English liberty' to manipulate other men of English descent into supporting them, and to kid the non 'Anglo' multitude that they were being denied rights by their nominal British rulers.\n\nAlso, the bulk of American states were never under British rule. The largest and most populous states of the US today (Texas, California, Florida, etc) were all under Spanish rule, and their cultures and genetics reflect that. Yes, they now speak English and use some common law, but so do Ghanaians and Jamaicans."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>44\nI'm from the south. French last name. One grandparent from 100% French descent. Sicilian great grandmother. Northern Italian great grandfather. Swiss great grandfather. Send off for an ethnic DNA test. Comes back English, Irish, Scottish as top 3 ethnicities. WTF?"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>119\nEuropean immigrants were pressured to adapt and learn English and anglicize their names. That's no accident, it was a deliberate policy of assimilation. English was not a compromise or lingua franca, it was the language of the majority of the population, the language of the elite, the language in which all government business was conducted, and so it was imposed on all newcomers.\n\nSome of my ancestors refused to speak their European mother tongues around their younger relatives. It sounds strange nowadays but that's how seriously they took their responsibility to become American. And of course, American meant English-speaking."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>119\n>The idea of 'America' was always one of a vast landmass offering individual freedom, regardless of language, ethnicity or religion.\nfree white men of good character"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>94\nItalians and Spaniards, but also French, Poles, Germans and Anglos. Europeans in general. Our \"special relationship\" with Britain made us very wealthy but its legacy was squandered away. A sad truth... nobody even remembers there was more British capital invested here than in actual Dominions like Australia... now all that's remembered is the Falklands War which was just the sad footnote breakup to a 150-year old friendship."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>129\nCould be that someone like n your family wasn’t honest or knowledgeable about your ancestry. Many Americans will think they’re Irish and then get a dna test back saying 5% Irish or something. Their family just had one vaguely Irish person so they claim that because it’s “exotic.”\nAlso, if they’re from northern France, England and Northwest Europe get clumped together, because they’re so similar. So when it says England it might mean that cross channel genetic cluster, so French."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>76\n>is for all wants and purposes indiscernible from the country's original WASP founding stock. Catholic whites celebrate Thanksgiving here just like Protestants whites do.\nTotally delusional.\nDifferent people different sensibilities. The WASPs who built America would never feel welcome in it's modern-day interpretation by the civilizational scavengers that inhabit it."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nI'm basing it on names. And the French, Italian, and Germanic genes were there. They were just lower on the list than the others. It seems like the other genes just expressed themselves more in me. I know for certain that my heritage is 25% French. That part of my family tree is well known. The other well-known branch is indeed loaded with Anglo-Irish names, but that should only account for another 25% and it should be all mixed up. I guess some genes expressed themselves more than others. With that said, the English part was actually called \"England and Northern Europe\" which may include norther France."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>117\nThe international image of Spain is actually Andalucia. The language they speak is Castillian."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>45\nUtah is based."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>128\n>The largest and most populous states of the US today (Texas, California, Florida, etc) were all under Spanish rule, and their cultures and genetics reflect that.\n>Yes, they now speak English and use some common law, but so do Ghanaians and Jamaicans.\nYou're honestly so dumb it makes me cringe. Yeah those Spanish territories were going to be prosperous like Mexico and the other third world shit holes they colonized and did nothing for except give them nice architecture, food and decent music. The couldn't run a successful colony if their life depended on it. I don't know how you don't understand that America was created by Anglos, who basically set everything out from the get go. If they didn't set down the foundation America, we would of been ruled by another incompetent European colonizer who would make America third world shit hole. Look at Anglo people majority countries, all of them successful and thriving compared to other shit hole European colonized territories. This is from someone who has lived in the third world shit hole Spain created (Peru) and also lived in a Anglo country (Australia)."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>135\nIf you did ancestry, then it could certainly be that it’s being misread as well. You say you have Scottish and that could just be northern English people whose DNA in you resembles Scottish. It’s tough because this area of the world is so similar. I’ve extensively mapped out my family tree and about 5% comes in as Scandinavian. However, I have no Scandinavians in my tree. The likely answer is that the Scottish in my tree is being misread as Scandinavian because they’re so close together. That area of the world is really the same except for their history and languages. Some could also just have been passed down unevenly. My direct paternal line is all Welsh, but like 2% Welsh gets dinged but only for my mother’s side, from an area of her tree I can’t map out. The bits from my dad’s side are probably being misread as English or Scottish there as well, or they were just straight up larping anglos, which could be the case.\nThat whole part of the world is just really hard to separate as clearly as we would like."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>128\n>>130\nWhat do you get out of lying and twisting history you traitorious ellis islander?\n>In terms of the inhabitants, those of English descent were the majority but there were also huge quantities of Scots, Irishmen, Dutchmen, Germans, Frenchman and Scandinavians\nStop lying\nThe biggest ethnicity in the 13 colonies was british. that includes english, welsh, ulster scots and lowland scots. all these groups spoke english and were protestant. they were not different groups as you keep trying to imply they were you history twisting freak. Germans, french and scandinavians were always a minority\nthe founding stock of america consisted of anglos (british), dutch and french huguenots. All other groups were tiny in comparison. they either assimilated or were driven out.\n>However, it's worth noting that these men fought a war not to be English.\nLOL\njefferson wanted hengist and horsa on the US seal. the patriots were whigs who saw themselves as taking back their ancient anglo saxon freedoms. they were english\n>Also, the bulk of American states were never under British rule. The largest and most populous states of the US today (Texas, California, Florida, etc) were all under Spanish rule, and their cultures and genetics reflect that. Yes, they now speak English and use some common law, but so do Ghanaians and Jamaicans.\nYou fucking spastic\nAll those states (before post 1960s spic immigration) derived everything from their anglo settlers. the mexican american war was a war between anglo protestants and catholic mestizos\nStop trying to downplay anglo america. America was an anglo nation before you ellis islanders came, now you're twisting history and trying to imply like there was some huge rift between a settler from northern england and a settler from the lowlands of scotland\nNext you'll be saying the english settlers weren't ACKUALLY english because some came from yorkshire and some came from lancashire.\nspastic"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>138\nIt's not the Spaniards fault brown people are generically inferior. Perhaps they should have cleansed you all, is that what you are asking for? Blaiming everything on Spain is brown cope."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>138\nhe's an ellis islander who's trying to imply that the spaniards who had a few thousand settlers in continental north america somehow had more influence than the hundreds of thousands of anglo immigrants who flooded into those states\nThe spaniards only had nominal control over the west. it was anglo-americans who settled and built the places up"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>138\n>Spics are the fault Peru is shit\n>So now I'm gonna shit up Australia instead\nGo back."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>119\n>The use of English as lingua franca was an accident\nIt sure as shit was not. We wrote the Declaration in English, the Mayflower compact in English, the Virginia House of Brugess spoke in English, the Federalist Papers were published in English, the Constitution was debated and written in English, and Washington swore his oath in English.\nI won't stand for these subversive attempts to deny us our culture and our own country. Americans are entitled to our own land just as much as Mexicans or Brazilians or other peoples are entitled to theirs!\nNo Hispanic nation denies Spanish as its mother tongue, so why is this rhetoric always brought up for English in the United States?\nSpeaking English doesn't mean we are British or want to be British, just as speaking Castilian doesn't make Mexico a part of Spain. This shit is exactly what I mean by Yankeedom being under assault and genuine contempt from the modern world."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>128\n>but there were also huge quantities of Scots, Irishmen, Dutchmen, Germans, Frenchman and Scandinavians\nWe have been over this many a times. \"Anglo-American\" doesn't mean pure English, it's a term used to describe anyone who assimilated and became indistinguishable from Anglo-Americans.\nAstor and Rockefeller are two German names, are you gonna tell us that fucking Rockefeller and John Astor weren't the pinnacle of WASPiness? Roosevelt, Schuyler, Rensselaer, Vanderbilt, Longstreet, etc. are also all obviously \"WASPy\".\nStraight up Scots like Carnegie, who was born in Scotland, also assimilated readily into that strata.\nAnglo-American: any paleface Protestant whose ancestral origins are in the north sea coastline of Europe."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>116\nWhy good? Because you are inferior stock and are butthurt that Anglos are better than you?"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>128\n>The largest and most populous states of the US today (Texas, California, Florida, etc) were all under Spanish rule, and their cultures and genetics reflect that.\nYou're a trickster huh. It ought to be common knowledge that these states were virtually depopulated when the USA annexed them. The Mexican cession of 1848 only had an estimated 60,000 Spanish speaking inhabitants when the census was counted. Take a gander at the list of post 1830s Texan governors and see how many actual Spanish names pop up before recently.\nThe OVERWHELMING majority of Hispanic people in the USA descend from post-WW2 immigration. Mexicans came en masse with the Braceros program during WWII."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>145\n>Anglo-American: any paleface Protestant whose ancestral origins are in the north sea coastline of Europe\nWhat if they get partially mutted by Slavs or Southern Europeans? By partially, I mean less than a third isn’t from there."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>129\n>One grandparent from 100% French descent. Sicilian great grandmother. Northern Italian great grandfather. Swiss great grandfather.\nThat's only a handful of your ancestors. You have over 200+ ancestors only in the last few generations. Pretty much nobody on earth knows who all of their ancestors are, they just memorize the few that were alive to interact with them."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nThis. We got assimilated.\n\nI feel you though with the hispanic shit, I'm so fucking sick of all these spics around here. And of course the fact that I'm seething about them is proof of my assimilation, I'm sure the older stock of Americans hated my wop immigrant ancestors just as much as I hate spics now. Viewed them as mafia criminals. Probably accurate. The spics will hopefully assimilate too."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>83\n>owns literally 80% of the American landmass\n>no beauty or culture, just working, making ends meet and celebrating by enjoying toxic goyslop\n>towns are little more than plywood boxes, stripmalls, and decrepit 1970s concrete husks.\n>anything of little beauty built was over a century prior when even then it was considered cheap and tacky\n>wahh!! we wuz dethroned!!\nyeah no shit"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>143\nIf he's a fluent english speaker who could afford to immigrate to Australia (very tough to get into), he's almost guaranteed to be a pale ass cracker from the upper class of Peru."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\n>Unironic \"we build out of stone\" shitnigger\nAnd all your stone buildings are full of black mold and brown illegal immigrants"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>150\n>The spics will hopefully assimilate too.\nThey won't and you know they won't. Your wop ancestors all learned English and more or less started acting the same as the white Americans already here plus looked basically the same as them. They weren't speaking nothing but Italian for like three straight generations of living here like beans do nor did they have government handouts to support their miniature states within states. Not only that but taco goblins breed like fucking rabbits and they also are entitled and for whatever reason uppity as shit. Basically, they are behaving exactly the way that people feared/warned they would behave if they were let in here en masse."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>148\nIt really comes down to how they identify and the culture they were raised with.\nYou'll find literal Prussian aristocrats who had Italian surnames, but they were still Prussians and treated as such, because they were raised Lutheran and German speaking.\nIf John Smith has a Polish mother or a Sicilian mother, it doesn't matter, assuming he was baptized in a mainline church and grew up with English as his first language and in a \"WASPy\" environment. Who runs DNA tests on people in the streets? There's no way of actually knowing if someone has \"mutt\" ancestry unless their surname is obviously exotic, and then then it's not really a real indicator of anything (see pic related).\nNote that the opposite happens in Hispanic America too: you can find Argentines with names like \"Smith\" and \"Harrington\" hanging around, but they're still Latinos."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>45\n>They're still there, being stupid.\nAccurate.\nt. Utahn"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>150\nBrown people are a different genetic stock from Italians or Spaniards. Don't fall for the autist haplonigger memes. All European groups fit inside these circles.\n\nA Mexican will never be the same as Spaniard even if they call themselves Hispanic."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>68\nThanks Scott, we know."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>157\nIf I'm reading that chart right, Europeans are the most homogenous group?"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>154\nThe actual problem is that the hispanics DO assimilate, which is why the left keeps wanting to import more of them."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>159\nYes"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>151\nSee? Perfect example of what I was referring to, you're utterly ignorant of our history and own culture and see only the present state of things.\n>>no beauty or culture, just working, making ends meet and celebrating by enjoying toxic goyslop\nWere you asleep in school when they taught Faulkner, Twain, Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Melville, Dickinson, Allen Poe, etc.?\nNever gazed at any Hudson School paintings or Thomas Cole? (pic related)\nNever listened to Nimrod Workman of Appalachia singing old ballads dating back to medieval Britain?\nCheap and tacky? The Reichstag in Berlin was actually inspired by a building made in Philadelphia, you can look it up. Evidently it was good enough architecture for the Germans to base their national assembly on."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>155\n>you can find Argentines with names like \"Smith\" and \"Harrington\" hanging around, but they're still Latinos.\n44% of Argies are unmixed. (As in zero genetic trace other than European). The rest have different shades of admixture. Latino is not really a useful identifier, it is a geographic term. Only genes matter."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>154\nMost beaners are bilingual by gen 2 and by gen 3 they can hardly speak Spanish."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>162\nffs file type was unsupported\nHere's a painting from Thomas Cole, who popularized the Hudson school of painting."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>164\nBut they don’t blend in without looking clearly not white and they culturally cling to notions of not being white. Language aside, they do not even want to assimilate."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>137\nThe benches are all white, but the state is fucking full of gang/cartel violence and drug trafficking. The murder rate is higher than ever, and suicide rates are at record levels because of all the pollution in the valleys. The road system is made for 20% of the traffic on it now. You can't even go to Utah's legendary national parks, 10 months out of the year there are hours-long lines and fucking miserable traffic in and out of them. I'm not even going to say where I'm moving next, Mexicans and leftist Californians are always monitoring these threads to see what other region they can totally destroy next."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>166\nBruh they marry outside of their ethnic group a lot, and I mean a whole fucking lot. Unless that stops for some reasons, they are destined to disappear and leave behind only trace elements in the broader white culture."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>162\nBecause ellis islanders have no culture\nThey're mutts with no culture so they insist the people who made the country they're being parasites to have no culture"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>163\n>Latino is not really a useful identifier, it is a geographic term. Only genes matter.\nLatino absolutely is a useful cultural identifier. You're out of your damn mind if you think a white Argentine has more in common with a Swedish man than he does with a Mestizo Argentine.\nThe Gauchos were all Mestizos to some extent and they define the national character of Argentina and Uruguay.\nSame way an Italian American is ultimately still an Anglo-brained Anglophone, Don Juan Chestershire is still a chá mate drinking pobre Juan."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>168\nNot when there’s so many of them and they’re still coming. They’ve become the majority in some places, wherein the whites will be assimilated. And their kids, as of now, don’t look white, cherry-picked counter examples excluded."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>169\nThat's the comedic tragedy of it all. They could simply take pride in AMERICAN culture and correctly treat it as their own, after all they sure as shit aren't going back to Italy or Ireland in any large numbers, but for whatever reason they decided that stuff is \"WASPy\" and therefore bad and now they cling on to scraps of \"the old country\" and pretend to be anything but Americans."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>5\nI almost am sure you’re not an actual Anglo American. No one typically of English descent in the USA, self identifies as an “Anglo-American”."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>166\nDepends where you are I guess, where I live they are already assimilated. Maybe in the southwest there are too many of them to assimilate. Where I live, all the beaners have kids who go to school, learn English, and get White boyfriends. I myself have a latina gf, you think I speak Spanish? Nope. People usually adopt the dominant culture wherever they go, it's natural."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>171\nI do agree that the current flow of migrants needs to stop, but all this stuff about whites being assimilated is blackpill bullshit. Hispanics are only the majority in certain parts of CA, NM and Southern Texas."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>171\nI've personally never seen Whites assimilate into spic culture. Our culture is actually extremely strong and resilient, despite all the mockery of it. If anything, Whites just leave when there are too many spics, we generally don't assimilate into their blob."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>173\nI am. My family came here from England in the mid 1600's and I have extensive records of my ancestry from that time and before until now. On my mother's side, my grandparents came here from England. You've just only met people who are like 1/16th German and identify as that because it's more exotic."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>165\nThomas Cole was literally English. He moved to Ohio with his family when he was 17"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>121\n>John Morton"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>178\nSo? His fand was made in the United States and his work was inspired by its geography.\nCanada's John MacDonald being born in Scotland doesn't make him any less of a Canadian icon."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>178\nYes and? That makes him akin to the people who first migrated to the country."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>167\nI was in Utah for 2 days and in that short time I almost ran over a crackhead sleeping on the backroads at night where there is low lighting."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>170\n>You're out of your damn mind if you think a white Argentine has more in common with a Swedish man than he does with a Mestizo Argentine.\nHe does have more in common with an Italian - where the core of his country's culture comes from - than with a fellow \"latino\" Mexican. He drinks fernet and mate, and eats pasta and beef, not tequila and tacos. Latino is a meme term, perhaps only useful in the United States to separate those suspected of admixture with those that aren't, but culturally it has no relevance.\n\n>Same way an Italian American is ultimately still an Anglo-brained Anglophone, Don Juan Chestershire is still a chá mate drinking pobre Juan.\nDon Juan Chestershire (or someone like Anna Taylor Joy if you want a more real example) has a Mediterranean, Italian-derived culture because that's her country's core culture. John Tagliaferro has an Anglo culture because that's his country's core culture.\n\nBut if the demographics change fast and hard enough, do does the core culture."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\n>Anna\n* Anya"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>180\nSo? That wasn't my point. Cole being English and contributing to American culture doesn't prove that there's a wider 'Anglo' culture in the US (at least not in any meaningful way)"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>183\nI gueds what I'm saying is that Italians could assimilate to Anglo WASP culture because their numbers were limited by 1920s quotas, and it wasn't such a dissimilar population, but the same cannot be assumed of US Hispanics, at least not at face value as a monolithic group, perhaps they can on a case-by-case basis."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>182\nHomelessness and the accompanying drug abuse epidemic is utterly ignored by the leftist salt lake city government. They say it was \"solved\" years ago by toothless legislation (money laundering) even though it's now as bad as the west coast now. Downtown Salt Lake is disgusting. It's far too easy to spot human turds in every corner. Every street has some idiot screaming nonsense to themselves. It's a sick place and well in it's to being as bad as Portland and San Francisco. Because it's run exactly like those places, by the same people."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>177\nYou’re not though; you, much like me live in the year 2023; there isn’t an isolated community of Anglo-Americans, I have the same ancestry all the same records you do, they probably even overlap somewhere, and honestly there’s like a Scottish line, one dirtbag embarrassing Irishman somewhere, but neither of us unfortunately can sound normal when identifying ourselves to others as “Anglo-American”. It’s not a real ethnic group, but you are wrong about the Germans, Germans have a tendency to identify as anglo-American which is why I doubted you."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>92\nTo be fair ethnicity is tied to culture and something you choose while race is something that is usually applied to you from an outside source."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>6\n>just smile as you disappear\nif it were whites replacing non-whites youd be up in arms"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>22\nWho are beholden to things like AIPAC, the ADL, and the SPLC."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>188\nAnd that was why in a previous post I said that I usually just think of myself as American until someone brings up with icity specifically. You're probably right about us being related though, my girlfriend is a distant cousin of mine so I wouldn't be shocked if you were as well, since my family was from New England too."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\nI just say American, and when press (which is just women primarily) I say “idk lol”."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>190\nItalians were the immigrants in this scenario, if you want to remain Italian then stay in Italy where the real Italians are."}, {"id": 195, "content": "kys"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>194\nItalians kinda get a bad rep but they got sorbed so bad that I’d sooner include them as a good decent American group before I would any Irishman."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe French and the Italians united against the English now they are no longer Italians and no French are only Americans who speak English"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>140\nYou sound like a butthurt Brit who's assblasted about not being able to larp anymore. You're totally full of shit and haven't even addressed the points I made."}, {"id": 199, "content": "i wish i wasn't SHITalian american nobody takes you seriously and you're only known for being gangsters.\n>oh but you have all this culture and ancient history and sh-\ndoesn't matter. even if someone doesn't say they want to be white, they think it."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>145\nOK, so you've invented your own definition for a word and have attached it to a diverse group of people of various ethnicities. Why not include wealthy blacks as WASPs and insist that they're Anglo-Saxon too?\n\n>>147\nYou've just answered your own point. Texas, California and Florida are not 'Anglo', and pointing to the fact they have been recolonized by Amerindians over the last 60 years is hardly a good argument is it"}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany have lost their identity and as >>2\nsaid, \"merged\" with the other white americans. However, as a new yorker I still see the italian identity survive among the poorer ones."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe all moved either farther into Long Island or up to Connecticut. We also assimilated as there's no stigma against us anymore (barring maybe some flyover state weirdos). Non of us speak Italian, we can't cook for shit anymore, there's no need for crime rings, etc etc. The only difference between a WASP and a WOP these days is that my last name ends in a vowel and theirs ends in a consonant."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>5\nit's your own fucking fault, dude. The poor wasps are dinguses and the rich ones are the biggest liberals around."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>14\n>taking points straight from Bill the Butcher.\n>>26\nyou haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>31\nthis. I'm the only one of my siblings without a masters and it makes me feel like a failure."}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>53\nyour point is a black and white photo of a guy from 100 years ago?"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>202\n>end up living in high tax places like NJ or Long Island\n>children ends up with good education but still not good enough to compete in this globalist hellscape\n>ends up working at Target or Walmart in their NJ or long island suburbs\n>ends up shooting up upon realizing their awful existence\nRemember it's your fault for letting your kids end up white trash"}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>175\ndude those areas were completely white decades ago, what do you think is going to happen in another couple of decades?"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>163\nthats a lie, unfortunately. most of those are castizos. unmixed make up 9%~ ish. good rate for latam though, and castizo + white = white pretty much"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>209\nNo. 44%.\n\nArticle discussing findings:\nhttps://www-mapuche-info.translate.goog/indgen/clarin050116.html?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp\n\nThe original study:\nhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2009.00556.x\n\nAll three types of DNA (Autosomal, Y-Chromosomal and Mitochondrial DNA) are considered."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>207\nis..-is he right Pasta bros?"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>2\nYeah I live in a beautiful gated community in flyover, the mayor of the other suburban town nearby is Italian and a sizable number of the kids I grew up with are Italian for being so far from cities. They were normal huwites, typically catholic and good people."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>177\nI don't even think your surname is Anglo after this post."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>208\nI wouldn't worry about it."}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>186\nI've been to areas that are around 90% Hispanic in LA and it felt like I was in Mexico. Nobody spoke English and some fat goblina was trying to charge me money to use a public restroom."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>57\nThis weirdo isn't even relevant."}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>88\n>They're the ones who popularized the \"Nation of Immigrants\" mantra that is now hammered into us.\nThat and \"the melting pot\" were popularized by Jewish-Americans."}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>33\nSouth Italians also made the bulk of Imperial Soldiers they were conscripted into the military en masse and spread throughout Europe building an empire then they did it as Eastern Romans for a 1000+years longer as Christians."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>157\nThat doesn’t mean Mexicans shouldn’t continue to bleach themselves. Of course within their own borders. The goal is to be as homogenous as possible including autosomal and haplogroups."}, {"id": 221, "content": "The USA is a melting pot\nIt was only inevitable that the Italian ingredient would melt into the soup"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>221\nThis is why islands are better. Italians could’ve migrated to Cuba. Protestant Europeans mix with Protestant Euros. Catholic Euros with other Catholics etc."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>28\nLiterally the biggest morally dishonest cope. Northern italians and germoids went to argentina and create a White country for europeana in south america. You terroni literally brought organised crime to the united states."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>unknown\nbizarre post"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did Italian Americans basically disappear?\nIt turns out that having every culture is the same thing as having none. Who could have predicted it."}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>159\nOnly because its excluding MENA groups. Look how awkward that division is. Thats like if China and Korea were considering separate from the rest of asia"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>175\n>two of the most populous states (CA and TX) in the union are majority hispanic\n>nearly 2 millions spics cross the border each year\n>this totally wont have profound consequences\nI bet you are a waspy north eastern who still lives in a town thats over 70% white. Completely detached from reality."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>198\nYou sound like a butthurt ellis islander who is ignoring history and culture in favor for le spics founded america theory\nyou will NEVER be american"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>228\n>posts a graph showing americans are overwhelmingly german\n>this is supposed to be a win"}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>229\n>ellis islander can't read americans clustering to englishmen\nellis islanders are fucking retarded holy shit"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>230\ntry reading it again, retard"}, {"id": 232, "content": "why this obsessd with italians"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>14\nGreasy half German quarter Irish and quarter cherokee mutt hands typed this post"}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>85\nI fucking wish this was true prottie, you have no idea. They are all lukewarm two days of mass a year Catholics and will never turn America into a papist puppet unfortunately."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey died because humans aren't immortals and people born in another country are usually from that nationality regardless of country and genetic origin of the parents. They became Usaian."}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>159\nThe most homoegenous groups are Subsarahans (minus pygmies and horners) followed by MENA (minus SSA outliers). Euros are just pushed to a corner of the PCA due to the inclusion of East Asians and SSA, but they're factually just three way mutts of Natufians, ANE, and Villabruna (actual native of Europeans)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And by contrast, unironically get along with, and would give their allegiance to, almost anyone as long as they aren't Taiwanese\n\n>Europeans (Dutch and Spanish)\n>Japanese\n>Waishengren (Koxinga, KMT)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause there is nothing more disloyal and annoying than tribal oogas"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe reason Taiwanese Aboriginals today predominantly live in the highlands (the shittiest land in Taiwan) is that, when the Han Chinese settled Taiwan, they killed and expelled the ones in the lowlands. For hundreds of years, the Chinese in Taiwan killed Aboriginals. They even ate their flesh, believing it had medicinal properties: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%95%AA%E8%86%8F (use Google Translate). As you can imagine, this bred resentment among the Aboriginals, who therefore vote for the KMT against the Benshengren-dominated DPP."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCan't blame them. And the girl in OP's pic is aborigine? She just looks Asian/South Asian. Not like a Negrito or something."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>曾持衡牧師於明治三十六年(1903年)的《台灣教會公報》的〈埔社消息〉,描述要去埔里社做禮拜,看到一名生番的屍體。他將當地人的解說記載並發表[註 1][5]。\n>明治三十六年(1903年)\n\nThat's pretty wild. I wonder what year the very last recorded instance of them doing this shit is?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI just found it in a Google Search."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nTechnically, \"Taiwanese Aboriginals\" is a misnomer; they weren't the first people to reach Taiwan. That honor goes to the Taiwanese Negritos, who no longer exist. Aboriginals arrived in Taiwan a few thousand years ago, having sailed there from southern China (probably from roughly the same part the Han Chinese who colonized Taiwan would later come from)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nWhich ones practiced cannibalism?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOwen Rutter said the aboriginals took heads, but weren't cannibals."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>Aboriginals, who therefore vote for the KMT against the Benshengren-dominated DPP.\nBut the KMT were just as bad to them. It's not like Chiang was pro abo."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo they weren’t retard, napalm yourself"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_indigenous_peoples#Kuomintang_single-party_rule_(1945-1987)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nDo they continue speak Japanese?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Oh no no no Dutchbros...\n\n>However, the Taiwanese Aboriginal peoples who were previously allied with the Dutch against the Chinese during the Guo Huaiyi Rebellion in 1652 turned against the Dutch during the later Siege of Fort Zeelandia and defected to Koxinga's Chinese forces.[111] The Aboriginals (Formosans) of Sincan defected to Koxinga after he offered them amnesty; the Sincan Aboriginals then proceeded to work for the Chinese and behead Dutch people in executions while the frontier aboriginals in the mountains and plains also surrendered and defected to the Chinese on 17 May 1661, celebrating their freedom from compulsory education under the Dutch rule by hunting down Dutch people and beheading them and trashing their Christian school textbooks.[112] Koxinga formulated a plan to give oxen and farming tools and teach farming techniques to the indigenous people, giving them Ming gowns and caps, eating with their chiefs and gifting tobacco to Aboriginals who were gathered in crowds to meet and welcome him as he visited their villages after he defeated the Dutch.[113]\n\nDESU though seems like they just side(d) with whoever seemed to be the strong horse, and really once the Dutch were obviously going to lose, no way were they going to come back from that so might as well make nice with the new boss.\n\nI do recall reading that in the 19th century some European travelers recalled meeting abos that expressed the hope that they would come back and rule again, but that could be flattery and telling them what they wanted to hear and/or just an expression of the fact that they really resented the Taiwanese, and would support almost anyone kicking them off their pedestal and becoming the new overlords for a change."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n> Taiwanese aborigines first encountered the Nationalist government in 1946, when the Japanese village schools were replaced by schools of the KMT. Documents from the Education Office show an emphasis on Chinese language, history and citizenship — with a curriculum steeped in pro-KMT ideology.\n\nOh my god that sounds so horrific, I can’t believe they managed to survive *checks notes* going to school."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nso you'd be okay with being forced to learn chinese and beaten if you got it wrong or used your language?\n>w-w-what do you mean beaten? there must be some mistake, i thought it was voluntary"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nChinese and cannibalism go together like cheese and wine"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nI'm guessing before 1945 they were \"forced\" to learn Japanese too."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nI'd say a lot of old aboriginals can, along with a lot of old Taiwanese generally. So can a surprising number of young people actually because advanced weebery although relatively few are fluent."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>>19\nThe way Taiweebs make changs and gooks seethe is effortlessly based"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>7\n>>4\nTaiwanese aboriginals have been in taiwan since the late paleolithic. They are the original austronesians/SEA"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDumb headhunters respect strength. If you wallop them they become your friend.\n\nModern Gaywanese are liberals who treat them paternalistically so theyre now taking advantage of it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nWhat are you talking about, literally every government in Taiwan's history since the 1600s has treated them \"paternalistically\", nothing new there.\n\nObviously the ordinary Taiwanese people didn't, historically, but that's another matter."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Native representation, US media.\nhttps://youtu.be/K4BkHmUHR1k [Embed]\n>A loud black woman explains why white people are bad. No native peoples are shown.\n\nNative representation, Taiwanese media.\nhttps://youtu.be/t9JsOVZdP8k?t=1320 [Embed]\n>Natives are brought on in traditional ancestral dress and asked about stereotypes and policies effecting their people."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy wouldn't they dislike the people who treated them like cattle?"}, {"id": 26, "content": "It's not that they didn't like them, they were just savages. They didn't like anyone."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\nThe CCP is literally committing genocide against Tibetans, Muslims, and Faulam Gong and here you are crying about grammar school\n\nNeck yourself commucuck, the only liberation you’re getting is hot lead in your skull liberating you from this plane of reality"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause chinks colonised and enslaved them."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\nTaiwanese Aborigines are mongoloid but look more caucasoid than typical mongs"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>genocides with zero death\nKek, fuck off. Next you're going to tell us how not allowing trannies to chop their kid's dicks is literally genocide"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nThat Taiwanese show seems to be influenced by Japanese talk shows.\nalso, that Aboriginal girl is cute"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nShe looks Japanese to me, which makes sense if you consider Japanese are basically half Chinese half native."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nWow comrade so based! Now turn and face this wall and sing The Internationale.\n\n*cocks gun behind your genocide denying head*"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\nNo they have not"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>4\nAnon, that is clearly AI."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>24\nwow the aboriginal actually looks human.\n>>29\nthey sure dont look like those shifty slit eyed mongoloids that seem to have fake expressions and emotions."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>No they have not\nHow do you know that?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nTheir language is close to Austronesians especially to philippinos so they could not have diverged more than 1000-2000 years ago at most"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSEXO"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why do natives dislike foreigners that came and kicked them out of the best parts of the land\nGee it sure is a mystery"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThey were using the land efficiently, were they?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you ever had to live with Han?\nI can't blame the Abos at all. They were unironically more civilized than the Han were or ever will be."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you have free will, why don’t you just.. choose to be perfect?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can only choose between Coke and Pepsi"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCheeseburger. No hamburger."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis whole world literally exists because God wants to rape, murder, abuse and dominate people. God is not good he's the source of all evil and the reason why people behave evilly. He believes evil is necessary for him to be the sole-enjoyer of reality because he enjoys doing evil things to people and abusing them whereas he abuses me if I even think about things he considers \"evil\" like being attracted to women with dark hair, or eating cheesebugrers/corn chips, or going to college, or being attractive, or anything involving the ocean or maritime settings, or anything involving anything beautiful in nature, or wearing nice clothes, or having a nice house, etc. I get abused for literal private thoughts and fantasies in my brain that I don't share with anyone because he's a retarded sadist who doesn't value free will at all because freedom of the mind is the most absolutely basic freedom that is a prerequisite for having any other kind of freedom. My mind gets violated every second of every day and God abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens me if I think about literally anything he considers desirable including things as petty as plain corn chips, women with hair colors darker than blonde or red, or the solid color blue. I am an eternal victim because God forces me to reincarnate eternally as the frame of reference and sole-sufferer of reality, the only persistently real person in reality who God dominates and abuses eternally through his temporarily manifested bodies that aren't constrained by the same material limitations as me, all of them violating my mind, sharing the same mind with each other, united in opposition to me, capable of appearing or disappearing at will, not requiring sleep, not having to react to physical stimuli, bodies ability to function not tied to their physical health/anatomy, not affected by harmful stimuli, etc."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I was thinking about something similar recently. I read this in the Tao Te Ching:\n\"Achieve results,\nBut never glory in them.\nAchieve results,\nBut never boast.\nAchieve results,\nBut never be proud.\nAchieve results,\nBecause this is the natural way.\nAchieve results,\nBut not through violence.\"\nThe \"never be proud\" is what stuck with me, pride is known as a sin. But, I thought, without pride, can you have shame? And without pride and shame, can you be spurned to achieve greatness? I think it's wrong to denounce any emotion of the human soul. You need pride and shame, love and hate, diligence and sloth, and the rest to experience the totality of what it means to be a human. So to be a human is to walk the middle path. The perfect human life is full of mistakes and successes.\n>>4\nI think that if there is a God he surely cannot be called benevolent."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>The perfect human life is full of mistakes and successes\nSome humans are unequivocally more perfect than others. They have a clear understanding of what is good for them and their actions align with their understanding. Whereas others are addicted to various vices, all the time knowing that they are spiraling downwards unto death. Trying to start a business and failing is a healthy and normal “mistake.” Watching porn, smoking weed, and eating junk food for hours a day, year after year, is just self-destruction. It makes no sense to freely choose death. If everyone had free will then they would be good. If we have free will, it is clear that some have more free will than others."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God gave you free will retard!\n>NOOO YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE IT TO DISAGREE WITH ME\nWhat a fucking scam."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt’s not exactly like that. It’s more like\n>here, I will give you a button you can press to make your life more miserable, to prove that you have “free will” and don’t just do what you know is good for you. Oh, wait, you don’t actually want to ruin your life? Then let me program you to inherently desire pressing the button, sometimes moreso than wanting anyone else, and then blame you for choosing to what I created you to crave instead of magically flipping a switch in your mind to do what I actually wanted you to do and what you know is good for you"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nSo you think free will varies from person to person? What makes the life of the person eating junk food day after day worse than the CEO making 7 figures? If that is how both choose to live then that is just their path. The most important word from the last sentence is choose, because I am assuming everyone has an equal amount of free will, I've only experienced this one life so I have no proof of the contrary. It's impossible to say anyone is more perfect than anyone else. Your life is just your life, the totality of your experiences as a human cannot be compared to anyone else's.\nAn important distinction to make when I say \"It's impossible to say anyone is more perfect than anyone else\" is that it is possible to have a more perfect life, but not possible to have a more perfect experience of life in regard to your choices."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm lazy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's stopping other gods from existing alongside the abrahamic god?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnothing really. We know that the norse pre-Christianization worshipped the Christian god alongside their pantheon."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nTake this with a grain of salt but I saw a history doc a long time ago where they said \"thou shalt have no other Gods before me\" in the original Aramaic meant that they could worship other gods as minor deities but God had to be paramount."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif they're not God then they're created. They can be like angels singing for eternity, but not exist alongside"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe wrath of jealous Christians. There's an account in one of the Spanish codices on Mesoamerican detailing the first conversions. Apparently the indians didn't understand the program too well and ended up just using Jesus as an avatar for another god(s). The priests in charge apparently took offense to this and tortured the indians for merely adding Christ to their pantheon rather than directly worshipping him alone."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBased Spanish as always"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nBut the abrahamic god was created"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nno"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSo he always existed but only a very specific people in the middle east happened to know about him?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nwhat exactly is your reasoning or point here? That He is part of Creation because He was only known by jews?\n\nGod in abrahamic religions is the creator of the world. it's not \"he always existed\", it's that He's beyond any \"always\". He's beyond time"}, {"id": 11, "content": "According to the Christian bible they do"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWut? You mean like angels & demons?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Why can't there be more than one all powerful perfect entity?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nye, for once Dirk is right, the Bible recognizes that the entities other people call \"gods\" exist but denies them divinity.\n>I am the LORD thy God, and thou shalt have no other God before me."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nThat's what it surely originally meant, with the old testament then squashing it out as the faith became more standardized following enslavement and resettlement. With an old Canaanite idol in the calves (found all throughout the Levant and in Canaan despite modern jew cope) being part of the old testament till a page later being cast as blasphemy well after it was made and observed by Moses, signifying the purging of old polytheists beliefs in early Judaism"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nPerhaps it is more correct to say that God revealed himself to a largely polytheistic culture, and so accomodated to that, but in reality there are of course no other gods."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nWhat's stopping any other religion from claiming the same thing about their god?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNothing, but they never did which is honestly crazy. Nearly all faiths in history allowed for other Gods to exist, thus weakening the faith to allow other faiths to encroach on them without conflict, and in Christianities case, getting a foothold and then turning the whole faith upside down when accepted enough."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>what exactly is your reasoning or point here?\nYHWH from however thousands of years BC isn't the same god as of the christians today, the religion and their god evolved and changed to become what it is today. It was created the same way every other gods and religions were created"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's stopping other gods from existing alongside the abrahamic god?\n\nNothing.\nEven the Abrahamic Religion itself is populated with dozens of angels, saints, satans, demons, etc..\n\nThis post: >>3 is correct. The God of Abraham and the Semitic people specifically told them they'd have no other Gods before him because there *are* other Gods. Yahweh is supposed to be the progenitor God of the Jews.\nIf I remember correctly ?and somebody is welcome to correct me? but Job wasn't a Jewish man, but a gentile. The original context of a \"God fearing\" individual was a person who worshipped another god, but otherwise wasn't openly hostile and didn't contradict the laws and moral systems of the Abrahamic God."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nBy based you must mean Jewish! So trad!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\n“God stands in the divine assembly; he administers judgment in the midst of the gods. “How long will you judge unjustly and show favoritism to the wicked? Selah Judge on behalf of the helpless and the orphan; provide justice to the afflicted and the poor. Rescue the helpless and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.” They do not know or consider. They go about in the darkness, so that all the foundations of the earth are shaken. I have said, “You are gods, and sons of the Most High, all of you. However, you will die like men, and you will fall like one of the princes.” Rise up, O God, judge the earth, because you shall inherit all the nations.” (Psa 82, LEB)"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Rise up, O God, judge the earth, because you shall inherit all the nations.” (Psa 82, LEB)\nYahweh can only hope.\n\nJai Shri Ram"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think Yahweh would allow lesser beings to rule over reality alongside him."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristian theology is too closed minded"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ITT: wars which the objectively good guys won."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nWill China ever get over being destroyed by a tiny island nation? Onreddit, they are running information warfare posting \"japanese war crime\" memes in massive subreddits (to some effect) and it comes off as unbelievably butthurt. Can't they just accept the loss and move on? It's not like they were demographically replaced."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are Medes and Babylonians better than Egyptians and Ayssrians. It looks like in most wars the bad guys win."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Will China ever get over being destroyed by a tiny island nation?\nnot until it destroys said island nation in return"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Onreddit, they are running information warfare posting \"japanese war crime\" memes in massive subreddits (to some effect) and it comes off as unbelievably butthurt"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>aware of reddit trends\nGo back"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nIs the tweet chinese or japanese? I can't tell? ARe they b oth getting offended?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The war where good guy lost.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Parthian_Wars\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Alexandria_(47_BC)\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudican_revolt\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hansan_Island\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>on redditu they are running informationu warfar-ACK!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nit's a japanese nationalist so upset fox news dared compare xi jinping to their emperor hirohito, that she cried"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>if only you knew how bad things were"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>fake tranny new\nFox new don’t read history."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nYou forgot the mithradatic wars as well."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nenglish only USA"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\njaps should be eternally grateful that American didn't let the soviets give Tokyo the Berlin treatment."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">english only US-ACK"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nwhy do thirdies and people who lost to the USA love living vicariously through a bunch of goat herders who took over an empty desert after the americans got bored and left? it's pathetic"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndo-Pakistani War of '71"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\nKek, fuck the nips."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nCoped harder, burgers."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nI agree, Megacorp(TM) was a victor with all the fancy gadgets they sold to the department of defense, people like you however are not a part of that club, so aside from thirdie-tier infrastructure in many parts of your first world country that you got as a result of your government's neglect, you hardly gained anything."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\n>>2\nThe Japanese are bastards but the Chinese are way worse bastards, so I'm always gonna root for the japs."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>9\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Parthian_Wars\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hansan_Island\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang\nThe good guys won these wars, the only one you listed with a real good guy losing was the Siege of Alexandria, but that's only true insomuch as it's true that the Romans conquering the Diadochi and other assorted Hellenistic states was a tragedy in general."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>The good guys won these wars\n>good\nBullshit claim ever"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Interesting thread to say the least"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\nthey aren't better. medes were murderhobos (nowadays they call themselves \"kurds\", they're still retarded murderhobos), babylonians were decadent grifters that never deserved statehood. i think the OP is being ironic"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRedpill me on this war please? I've never heard of it"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Aryans invasions never happened\n>Harappans ruled Asia\n>Alexander was defeat by India\n>Genghis Khan was defeated by India\n>Muslims conquests didn't happen (literally removing it from history books)\n>Muslim golden age was thanks to Indians\n>Achaemenid Persians were Indians\n>etc\nWhy are they doing this revisionism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Who doesn't do this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "kek, thanks for introducing me to this channel OP\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoerErmL-3c [Embed]\n\nThis is probably a great grift"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe people who actually did things?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif i was a race of 5'4 street shitters whos skin looks like manure i would to cope and say my race is the best. indian is the raping subcontinent, everyone has raped it. the aryans, the greeks, the British, the french, the arabs, the turko-mongols. everyone has raped India because indians are subhumans"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSo its just 'we wuz kangs' stupidity, and not some government jingoist plan (eg: start claiming 'historical borders' etc)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nindians are not known for being smart, considering they shit in the street and their entire GDP is based on scamming elderly people in America and running tech support for 20 cents an hour"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Aryans invasions never happened\n>Harappans ruled Asia\n>Alexander was defeat by India\n>Genghis Khan was defeated by India\nThese are true tho"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">THE HUMAN BATHROOM CAN BE DISINFECTED WITH COW POOP\n\nHoly shit my sides!\n\nhttps://youtu.be/rUI6MdS4_ak [Embed] (5:00)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're right. The English Christians fabricated a bunch of jargon after reading Hindu Texts and created a fake scenario where they were the original conquerors 4,000 years ago. None of you have an actual understanding of Hindu history, theology or Sanskrit, probably because you don't care to learn about it unless it proves a we wuz theory."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>>Aryans invasions never happened\nWhy do the majority of Indians speak Aryan languages natively?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>5.00: \" it can disinfect, it can clean floors\"\nWTF! BAHAHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>a Christian converted to Hinduism\nSome what's the term we called these people?\nA Windu?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "oh man, this reminds me too much of a Shiva linga"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nforgot pic\n\nhttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cow-dung-itself-breeds-antibiotic-resistance/\n\n>Even manure from drug-free cows encourages antibiotic-resistant bacteria"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>mfw the poos are right\n\nI am officially cowpilled.\n\nIn several cultures, cow dung is traditionally used to coat floors and walls. In parts of Africa, floors of rural huts are smeared with cow dung: this is believed to improve interior hygiene and repel insects.[7][8] This practice has various names, such as \"ukusinda\" in Xhosa,[9] and \"gwaya\" in Ruruuli-Lunyala.[10]\n\nSimilarly, in India, floors are traditionally smeared with cow dung to clean and smoothen them.[6] Italian traveler Pietro Della Valle, who visited India in 1624, observed that the locals - including Christians - smeared floor with cow dung to purify it and repel insects.[11]\n\nIn 2021, the Government of India's Khadi and Village Industries Commission launched the Khadi Prakritik paint, which has cow dung as its main ingredient, promoting it as an eco-friendly paint with anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties.[13]\n\nhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/307640987_COW_DUNG-_A_BOON_FOR_ANTIMICROBIAL_ACTIVITY#:~:text=Cow%20dung%20was%20also%20found,2014)%20.\n\n>Cow dung was also found to contain antibiotic agents showing higher effectiveness against both Gram negative and Gram positive type bacteria by Waziri and Suleiman (2013)."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAnyone who's actually been around cows and seen cow shit knows it's just fermented grass. It's a big leap to equate cow shit with dogshit."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nA Hare Krishna who strayed out of his containment zone"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nwho's talking about dogshit?\n\nI know cow pies very well from my childhood, thank you. It's still one of the smells that bring me back."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>who's talking about dogshit\nBecause Americans worship dogs like Hindus worship cows."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\n>>16\n>>17\n>>19\n>SHIT IS GOOD FOR YOU\nFound the pajeets"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nit is literally good for you\n\nyou know your ancient European ancestors used to line the walls of their houses with animal dung"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>4\n>t. claims every civilization on earth was white and blonde haired at some point"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndians are infected with hereditary chuddery"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This has got to be the coolest one."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy ancestors :)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US marines used it for recruitment, so it counts."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat one's my favorite, Japanese posters are so chuddy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>chuddy\n>buzz word"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like soviet ones\n\nPlease post those"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThe ones from the late Stalin era go well with North Korean music. Buckle up, buttercups.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/34qrRwYwgb4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 8, "content": "(Actually a painting)"}, {"id": 9, "content": "“So will it be for the fascist beast!”\nThe contrast of colours\nThe symbolism\nThe straight to the point, clear message\nPure art"}, {"id": 10, "content": "The ones with multiple flags are the best."}, {"id": 11, "content": "still applies today"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Mao propaganda posters are unmatched when it comes to propaganda about a man."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Italians had a strange tendency to make propaganda posters which made the Allie’s look based."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>killing children is based\nmeds"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe kid looks like a nigtalian, so yes."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThe Italian propaganda posters from WWII are much higher quality than the German ones, which I'm guessing is because Germans have no artistic talent."}, {"id": 17, "content": "I dislike Soviet posters in general, but the space ones that aren’t overly simplified are pretty good."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nOh yeah. You might like this, it's interesting to search for this stuff in the native language because it turns up stuff that doesn't show up in English searches."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">Kaiserreichfags will defend this"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\n>>18\nI am also a fan of those. I hope this thread will allow me to grow my collection."}, {"id": 21, "content": "VERDUNKELN!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\nNever liked this one. That beast invokes pity in me"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nevokes*"}, {"id": 24, "content": "I dunno I can't think of any I think we spent our time working on psyops instead of straight up propaganda"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>7\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nThese are really generic.\n>>9\nThis one is better.\n>>unknown\nThis one is great."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"France in 100 years\""}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWell, they were way off with that one eh haha.."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\nit's norwegian, it says:\n\n\"Culture-Terror\"\n\n(the little man with sign):\nUSA will save Europes culture from damnation\n\n(the text beside the sign):\nwith what right?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>12\nThe one thing Mao did good was Propaganda. The posters and art are fucking GOAT, the uniforms on girls are QT, the music is bangers and the operas are legit badass.\nhttps://youtu.be/aoKNw1BDgIw [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNpRbNdR7E [Embed]"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGranny won."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\nI love DPRK music so much that I am learning korean.\nhttps://youtu.be/Ra5ZNNTpf10 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/sTsRw_OJyFU [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/RSiXBKHP5FE?t=88 [Embed]\nI genuinely work out to this stuff."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>He typed \"good morning sirs\" too often"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nis that about arguing for Indians to stay out of ww2?"}, {"id": 34, "content": "Detail of a mural, in Pyongyang I think.\nA lot of eye-witnesses said they were surprised and thought it was a joke that someone so young was going to be their leader when they saw him for the first time.\n\n>>18\n>>unknown\nI like these kinds of posters - just all of the people coming together to work for a common goal.\n\n>>26\nIt's extra funny because \"Die Benegerung\" literally translates to \"the niggering\" or \"the niggerfying\""}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nSIR DO NOT REDEEM THE HANDS OFF\nSIIIIIRRRR"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nYes."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nI am no expert but that looks like it might be a V and not a B. Hard to tell with that resolution though. Doesn't really change the meaning that much anyway."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\noh yeah, you're right now that I take a closer look - it's \"Vernegerung\" (but has the exact same meaning).\nIt's actually interesting how those V's were written looking like B's considering B is \"V\" in chyrillic alphabet."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>unknown\n>And this poster will stop syphilis from spreading?\n\n>stop what?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nThere are also some latin american accents where they pronounce v as b. So instead of \"very\" they say \"berry\". Maybe because the calssical latin v pronounciation is similar to b pronounciation and they evolved into b in some languages and the hard v in others?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nI dink dats berry funni :DDD"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>26\n>Die Vernegerung Frankreichs in 100 Jahren\nThe Negrification of France in 100 Years\n\n>Defense de donner a manger (French)\nDo not feed\n\n>Die letzten nicht farbigen Franzosen bilden die große Attraktion des Pariser Zoo\nParis Zoo's greatest attraction: The last non-colored French people"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown\nNAZI propaganda is way better, tbqh.\nFar better than Jewish propaganda.\nBecause the NAZIs are mostly right."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nvenis :DDDD"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nJapanese also transliterates the v and b in Western loanwords with the same kana"}, {"id": 46, "content": "I know this will be poo pooed as generic, but I think this one stands the test of time as more than just a funny period piece\n\"I want you\"\nPure and simple"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>unknown\n>>43\nwhat's interesting is that the allied powers had opposite propaganda narratives about the NS relationship with Christianity: The Soviets proclaimed that the Nazis were conspiring with the Catholic church to exploit the workers, while US propaganda claimed they were destroying churches, persecuting Christians the same way as Jews, and planning to outlaw the bible."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nIt was actually based on a british propaganda poster."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nperhaps the US mixed up regular germans with SS. Common mistake, to be fair."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nwhat movie is that from? I rmember seeing it years ago and being unable to find it again."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\n>greatest\nits great, dumme Ausländer"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>unknown\n>I rarely see any Italian propaganda\nIt's posted often actually, also the big OP's Samurai is Italian too"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nit's \"dummer Ausländer\", not \"dumme Ausländer\" you larper"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nplatt, nicht hoch du schwaob"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nganz ruhig, Murat"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>unknown\n>My daddy...."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>Plattniggers in charge of not sounding like Kanacken"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nbesser wie ne kanack klinken als ne kanack sein\nzumindest haben wir noch unsere eigene sprache"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nEs ist ein Dialekt, keine Sprache."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">Here's your reformation, bro."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nholste maul bergaffe du\nhttps://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattd%C3%BC%C3%BCtsch"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>40\nThis is especially noticeable in how Havana is pronounced."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>51\nI'm only a German Third Language speaker, but shouldn't it \"dummer\" with tbe -er declension?\nI genuinely don't know, I hate this part of grammar so fucking much."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\ndummer is correct, that guy just has a very strong accent that he feels should be written out phonetically"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>13\n>child mass murderer\n>based\nYou just showed your real colors murdermutt"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>unknown\nSo that's the original"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>unknown\n+1 for creativity on this one."}, {"id": 68, "content": "The writing means \"the oral torah\"\n\n>>65\n>murdermutt\nlel"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown\nThe idea of the poster was good, but the lack of anglo expressiveness always leads to relying on those stupid object labels to convey the message, because the picture by itself is not understandable."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>unknown\nthe fuck is this? triggers my autism"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>unknown\nWho is the giant supposed to be? Lincolon?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">Everything for the Front. Everything for Victory."}, {"id": 73, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoCM_FgLP8&pp=ygUKc292aWV0d2F2ZQ%3D%3D [Embed]"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>60\nWtf am i looking at kek"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>50\nOne of the “Why We Fight” films, I think it was “Prelude to War” but I’m not sure."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>66\nThe original is \"twist\"\n\"Bust\" is funnier though"}, {"id": 77, "content": "Back when Cuba was Ameriboo.\nKino poster regardless."}, {"id": 78, "content": "\"Glory to the heroes\", from the Spanish Civil War"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>unknown\nLmao me on the right"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>43\n>N...no please don't bring your violent klu klux klan to our peaceful mass slaughter of Gypsies and the disabled"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>74\n16th century style basedak edition against Martin Luther"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>21\nthat ones sick\n>>unknown\nfascinating but confusing... i guess it was during ww2, but then one of his legs looks like a nuculear bomb. either way this is awesome.\n>>unknown\nbased\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nsurely these are parodies?\n>>unknown\nnice\n\nfor me,it's got to be hitler as a medieval knight."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nGood stuff, need more propaganda posters against the freemasons"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>unknown\n>>82\nI recal hearing that Hitler thought the USA eas too obsessed with black people, so it wouldn't surprise me after that if Hitler didn't think much of the KKK"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>43\n>Because the NAZIs are mostly right\nMight makes right."}, {"id": 86, "content": "war era capeshit thread\nanyways, these kind of political cartoons genuinely makes me laugh"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>PAPAL ENCYCLICAL\n>YOU'RE a HUMBUG\nthat part is what made me laugh out of loud when i see this pic at first\nthe smug look and how she wears the military prowess like a lady's hat makes me laugh in picrel\nold times' humour is the best"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>77\nthat's mexican clothing"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>77\nit is Mexican\nhttps://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1440"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>82\n>surely these are parodies?\nAmerican propaganda during WWII directed at workers in the arms industry. American propaganda during the war was more \"practical\" and could also be humorous in a Looney Tunes sorta way, like this song is about going off to fight because the world happens to be messed up so \"we're gonna clean it up and not have to do it again,\" and that's the extent of it, pal! Ain't we a bunch of stinkers?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/LL1fVdyIlCw [Embed]\n\nAnd of course you realize, this means war:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/72qxqv34DqE [Embed]"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\n>The company's name originated from the founding Warner brothers (born Wonsal, Woron and Wonskolaser[6][7][8] before Anglicization):[9][10] Harry, Albert, Sam, and Jack Warner. Harry, Albert and Sam emigrated as young children with their Polish-Jewish[11][12][13][14] mother to the United States from Krasnosielc, Poland (then part of Congress Poland within the Russian Empire), in October 1889, a year after their father emigrated to the U.S. and settled in Baltimore, Maryland. As in many other immigrant families, the elder Wonsal children gradually acquired anglicized versions of their Yiddish-sounding names: Szmuel Wonsal became Samuel Warner (nicknamed \"Sam\"), Hirsz Wonsal became Harry Warner, and Aaron Wonsal (although born with a given name common in the Americas) became Albert Warner.\nJust in case anybody was wondering who prouced all this propaganda to push the US into a war to destroy a nation to which tens of millions of Americans trace their ancestry."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>84\n>Ironically, American race relations, accentuated in the monster’s KKK hood and the nooses, were castigated a symptom of an uncontrolled and uncultured society\nThis sums it up well"}, {"id": 93, "content": "Repent and believe, or you will go to hell, communists in this thread."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>14\nyes"}, {"id": 95, "content": "always been a fan of this one by damsleth, and not just because it's used as the cover for windir's album \"arntor\". the comfy warm hearth, the sword and open door beckoning adventure"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\nHitler literally declared war on the United States, no pushing was needed."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>unknown\n>boss music plays"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>36\nthis is a pretty accurate depiction of british colonial policy"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>unknown\n>SCORE SOME FAKKIN GOALS"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>32\nBAINCHOD DO NOT REDEEM THE FINGERS SAAR"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>49\n>>50\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcAsIWfk_z4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>69\n>Hammer-and-sickle soldier injecting what looks like an American schoolhouse with unknown Red (read: universally recognized as communist within the times) shit.\nVS:\n>Cram every single esoteric and obscure symbol and occult practice into the piece and hope that something sticks (Even mainstream Christian symbols such as the Sacred Heart lmao).\n\nGee, if only propaganda can be as subtle and understandable by the common man as this Nazi-occupied Serbian WW2 propaganda."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>unknown\n>For God and tsar"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>unknown\n>the jew hanging on the money bag\nkek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Islam's ban on music proves that it is an utterly soulless and demented religion. It's such an arbitrary rule that makes absolutely no sense, and only serves to make the human experience worse. And it puts Islam at odds with basically every other religion in the entire world, all of which use music as a method of enriching life and praising their God or gods."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It's such an arbitrary rule that makes absolutely no sense\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6swmTBVI83k [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>utterly soulless and demented religion.\nThe hatred of dogs didn't convince you?\nThey hate man's best friend. Therefore they're not men."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWtf it's real\nhttps://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram\n>Music, musical instruments and singing are haram in Islam. This prohibition is supported with evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. For more, see the detailed answer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIslam doesn't just ban shitty modern pop songs though. It bans ALL music.\n\n>rock music\nHaram\n\n>classical music\nHaram\n\n>traditional folk music\nHaram\n\nIt's literally ALL haram. The only thing they're allowed to listen to is Quran recitations and some a-capella religious songs. That's just retarded. No other religion in the world is like this."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\njesus christ the heckin pupperino people all deserve to be shot to death"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I have no sympathy for Islam, which strikes me as a wretched and intolerant doctrine. But the thought of being able to go to public events or even stores without having some infernal earworms get stuck in my head is legitimately appealing.\nIt's the one thing Islam got right."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>That's just retarded. No other religion in the world is like this.\nIt's still useful as a blunt instrument meant to punish degenerates. They reject the easy hand of Christ, and so their civilizations eventually get the hard hammer of Islam. But they will never persist as decadent societies for long, like they delude themselves. Muslims are allowed to come down like a plague of locusts."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nMuslims basedface over cats in the exact same way that westerners do over dogs. The only thing Islam does is arbitrarily claim dogs are \"dirty\" while apparently considering cats as extremely clean heckin good bois who dindu nuffin wrong. It makes no sense. A lot of cats are just as filthy as dogs, if not worse."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI'm just an actual human. I like all domesticated animals. They've been with us for eons. Those of you who recoil are mutant niggers who didn't get the memo."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>>rock music\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM [Embed]\n\n>>classical music\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nImagine not liking dogs\nTragic waste of trips, kys"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll modern music amounts to ineffectual, gray matter-retarding goyslop. Your favorite black metal band is full of methed out sodomites anyway."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Music has the power to pull people out of delusions"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nHonestly music is worse. The idea that it \"causes evil thoughts in the soul\" is absurd because music is the ultimate artistic expression of humanity's soul and quite possibly predates even painting."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>>13\nSo why not just say \"music which addresses haram topics is haram\"? Why does it have to be ALL music?\n\nWhat Islam basically says is that if you sit by yourself playing a tune on a guitar or piano, that's as haram as making a Lil Nas X song about eating faggot cum. That's utterly ridiculous.\n\nIt's like saying \"some people use computers to watch porn, therefore ALL usage of computers and internet is haram and is 100% banned\".\n\nAlso the reasoning many Muslims give for why music should be banned is often ridiculous. I've seen Muslims genuinely try to argue \"music is bad because it distracts you from God\". Do these people seriously think humans should go around using 100% of their time to praise God and do nothing else? Civilisation would not function if we followed religion like this."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>quite possibly predates even painting.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYBNoFcvcWI [Embed]"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Do these people seriously think humans should go around using 100% of their time to praise God and do nothing else?\nAs someone raised by devout Christians, and who has devout Christian and Muslim friends, yes\nNot literally 100% but devout types generally believe as much of your time and effort as physically possible should go towards the glorification of God"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Not literally 100% but devout types generally believe as much of your time and effort as physically possible should go towards the glorification of God\nYou can be devout and glorify God in all you do. And using your gifts to be a good influence.Whether in art or a doctor or whatever. It's not the formal religion that was ever the goal itself, but seeing God in everything. Else you're just some useless priest or cleric who never leaves a church. No connection reality. Jesus constantly used everyday things to teach about God.\n\"Look at the birds of the air. They do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.\"\n\"A sower went out to sow.\"\n\"Finding a pearl of great price.\""}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nIt’s actually very smart.\n\nLimiting the media that people can consume is good at preventing dissent and infiltration of outside ideas.\n\nMusic is EXTREMELY powerful. It makes sad things sadder. Happier things happier. Scary things scarier. And religious feelings more intense.\n\nBy forcing people to only listen to religious chanting for transcendental emotions and thoughts, you reaffirm your religion to the group on a primal level that defies even logic or debate or study."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>So why not just say \"music which addresses haram topics is haram\"?\nBecause musicians were making fun of Muhammad, and he got angry and threw a temper tantrum and declared that Allah just told him right then and there that music is forbidden.\n\nYes, all of Islam is like this."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">dog scares Mohammed\n\nDogs are haram\n\n>musicians write diss tracks about Mohammed\n\nMusic is haram\n\n>gecko creeps Mohammed out\n\nGeckos are haram\n\n>Mohammed’s wants his adopted son’s wife\n\nAdoption is haram\n\n>jews call Mohammed a liar\n\nJews are haram, apes, servants of the anti-Christ during the apocalypse, and AKSHULLY Allah wants everyone to pray to Mecca instead of Jerusalem\n\n>visitors annoy Mohammed\n\nBothering him at home is haram\n\n>Umar watches Mohammed’s wives shit after badgering him to expand hijab rules\n\nMohammed makes hijab Sunnah (EXCEPT for slave girls…because reasons)\n\n>Mohammed has a milk fetish\n\nMilk is declared the best possible drink in the world"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nReplace Mohammed with (((Secular Expert))) and you have the moral framework governing today's degenerate society."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nGet fucked, /pol/"}, {"id": 25, "content": "High correlation between social rot and the ubiquity of music. Verification not needed."}, {"id": 26, "content": "It’s crazy how Islam turned out to be so correct about music. Music is the primary tool the Jews have used to degrade America. Listen to the shit that is pumped out by Nicki Minaj, Cardi B and all these other contemporary American stars. Literally all about fornication, promiscuity, etc."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\n>>7\n>>8\n>>11\n>>13\n>>20\n>>25\n>>26\nbrown hands"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Islam's problem is that what worked in the 700s doesn't really work nearly a millennium and a half later but Islam has remained a relic."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>islam bans singing\n>their prayer reciter literally sings them during prayer\nwhat did mohamad mean by this"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nIslam really is some autist making a religion around a list of things that annoyed him. He's CWC with a conquering army."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>5\n>It bans ALL music.\nIt doesn't and even the most traditional extremist would disagree with u.There are literally some of the best known \"orthodox\" Islamic scholars out there both from the past and the present who would disagree with u.For eg:Ibn Hazm,Al-Ghazali,Abu-Bakr ibn al Arabi,Abdul Ghani Al Nablusi,Ibn Al Qaisarani etc etc.Also some not so \"orthodox\" greats like Ibn Sina,Farabi,Ibn Bajaj too were proponents of music and had works written in about music theory and stuff.To sum it all up i would like to quote one of the most respected contemporary Islamic scholar Yusuf Al Qaradawi \"music is forbidden only if it leads the believer into activities that are clearly defined as prohibited, such as drinking alcohol and illicit sex\"."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>16\n>All music is haram\nIt's not\nhttps://youtu.be/CKbgZ8Fv3Do [Embed]\nUse the subtitles\nIt's a 10 ep series and u may be busy and not care enough about it so I don't expect u to see it all but ig u could just listen to the 1st,2nd,9th,and10th at 1.5x/1.75x(recommended)of u really wanna know about it."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>3\n>The hatred of dogs didn't convince you?\nNigga most westies can't even raise dogs right. They either can't discipline it right or raise it like a fur baby which ironically hurts them much more than it does help them."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>10\n>I like all domesticated animals.\nYet why does their treatment widely vary from one animal to the next, much more so in the west? Why are chicken and pigs so disposable despite them being intelligent and pretty dam emotive."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>16\n>Why does it have to be ALL music?\nYou are right it doesn't have to be all music so:\nContemporary scholars like Shaykh al-Azhar Mahmud Shaltut, Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi, and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini have all issued legal rulings that music that does not encourage people to go against the faith is permitted."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>5\n>It bans ALL music.\nIt doesn't\nSongs/music are not haram unless:\n\nthe subject matter of songs is \"against the teachings of Islam\", such as praising wine;\n\nthe \"manner\" of singing is haram, such as \"being accompanied by suggestive sexual movement\";\n\nit leads to \"excessive involvement with entertainment\", such as wasting time that ought to be spent on religion;in other words it's like choosing not fulfill ur obligations and duties(religious or otherwise) and instead wasting time in entertainment be it music,games or any other thing\nif it \"arouses one's passions, leads him towards sin, excites the animal instincts, and dulls spirituality\";\nif it is done \"in conjunction with haram activities – for example, at a drinking party\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">suffers for literally a single day\n>hehe it's done, now heaven forever xD thanks daddy\nWhat the fuck is this? If people burn in hell forever for sins, then he should be burning in hell forever if he paid for the sins of the world, simple as. Instead he suffers for a SINGLE DAY and goes away scot-free? Wow, what a lame \"sacrifice\". I too wouldn't mind being sacrificed like this if it meant I ruled forever afterwards.\n\nReminder that there are people in the world who are limbless blind, deaf, suffering from all kinds of horrible chronical pains and diseases, people live like that for decades, and I should feel bad for little J for suffering for a little while? What a joke."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine being God and calling this a sacrifice. It'd be like dying in a video game."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah Western Christianity emphasizes the suffering of the Cross too much and not the fact God literally died but because God can't be held by corruption He defeated death and through His Human Nature gave the whole of that defeat to humanity.\nAlso Hell is being in the presence of God and hating Him, not a physical place hope that helps."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a religion for slaves to elevate their suffering condition to the hight of God himself."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nkek, exactly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have suffered more than jesus"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBreh"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the significance of liberals always using lowercase w when talking about white people, and uppercase for Black and Brown people?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "what is the significance of conservatives doing the reverse"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nRacism. Wait a second..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nConservative literature doesn't make it a point to uppercase the w in white while leaving the b in black or brown lowercase."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe don't? I think that was like one newspaper who made a editorial decision for silly reasons.\n\nwhite, black, brown is lowercase\nAfrican American, Asian American, Irish, Dutch are upper case\n\nAdmittedly silly things like uppercase Black just gives conservatives something (justifiably) to laugh at. Optics over virtue signaling everytime imo."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI've read many articles that do this."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nthis.\nthe only time I ever capitalize the first letter of colors is when referring to Black and White Americans. otherwise, they remain lowercase."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nnews corporations don't speak for me and my politics. Most of them are pro-establishment and status quo and like to think token efforts like capitalization will send a message to minority groups looking for systemic change that they have their backs."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nIn South Africa in the old days, White, Coloured, Black and Asian were all capitalised in newspapers, because they were considered proper nouns with statutory meanings."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nThey don’t. It’s just me who does this because I know it bothers you."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame reason other religious groups use capital G for their god(s)"}, {"id": 12, "content": "In order for minorities to be accepted in society white liberals in the city have to undergo extensive anti-racism training that usually revolves around self hatred"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nit doesn't though"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nWhat compels Jews and their homosexual agents to lie, when the truth is so easily available?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>we don't? I think that was like one newspaper who made a editorial decision for silly reasons.\nIt is the AP standard for all newspapers, lying homosexual."}, {"id": 16, "content": "White can be capitalized as well.\n\nLiberals are taught to shame themselves for being white.\n\nAnd antisemitic people say that European Jews are not white.\n\nWell Christians and Christian culture does not tend to lean liberal.\n\nNo matter your religion, if you appear European, people treat you as a white person.\n\nI see no reason to change my capitalization of white, I would have to be insecure about it.\n\nBecause ethnicity is a more complex matter, my ethnicity is Germanic, European, that's also white.\n\nI don't feel so insecure that I need to capitalize white, I am Germanic, and I am also German.\n\nI would capitalize African, Asian, Indigenous, as they are proper nouns, that's just grammar.\n\nOther people capitalize white, okay, thank you I guess, I will be okay either way."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n\n>I see no reason to change my capitalization of white, I would have to be insecure about it.\n\nMy self-worth as a man comes from content of my character and not the color of my skin"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite American\nwhite people\nSee anon it's as simple as that."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>grammar is literally genocide\nEvery day these faggots get closer in behavior to the leftists they despise so much."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\n>>18\nThat's not what the Associated Press is doing\n>>14"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir virtue signalling is bullcrap"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck is a liberal?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Proclaim yourself the “champion of the colored races”\n>Slaughter millions of nonwhites in European colonies after seizing them\n\nWhat did they mean by this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "they were germanboos and were following the example of germany who at that time was slaughtering millions of white Christians to save the white race"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey only killed those who militarily resisted conquest. Everything else is propaganda."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>sir, we had to rape this 11 year old girl to death, she was militarily resisting our conquest"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why do people on this board just take state propaganda made during wartime at face value? Are you all fucking retarded? Do you think deodorant companies will send you hot women because their ads say so?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan's leadership in the 1930s were a mix of Genro conservative Old-Guard Meiji-era politicians and younger radical Ultranationalist leaders. The former believed that it was Japan's mission to rid western colonial influence in Asia and lead other Asians to modernity (they were even Chinaboo as fuck). The latter wanted Japanese domination over Asia period.\n\nJapan's leadership was a fucking mess during 1930s and 1940s where nobody pretty much led the civilian government. Sometimes the propaganda of the conservatives showed up, sometimes its the militarist/radicals."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Proclaim yourself a land of equal opportunity\n>Give blacks unfair advantages in life\n\nWOOOOW BROKEN FREEDUMB MECHANICS"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>they were even Chinaboo as fuck\nLol k chink"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou do know the biggest repository of Chinese primary sources outside of China/Taiwan is the Toyo Bunko right? A library Genro fags founded?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*in Jerry Seinfeld voice*\n\nThey call it the Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere but it's not a sphere and theres no co-prosperity. Whats up with that??????"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nI don't see what this has to do with my post about wartime propaganda."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nIt's true though. Part of Japanese propaganda revolved around the idea that they were somehow saving Changoids from the white devil. To be fair, the Japanese had been relatively popular among Chinese during the Russo-Japanese War so as they saw it there was precedent for the idea."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuch a chud empire"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ITT: Historical examples of when people got what they FUCKING deserved."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Whistling at a Karen when you’re 14 means you deserve to be brutally murdered\n\nActual negro logic right there"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nniglet fucked around and found out"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>14\nAn adult in jewish countries like America"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Yes, cat calling some white roastie deserves to be punished with kidnapping and torture until death\n\nKill yourself"}, {"id": 6, "content": "More like Emmet \"Till the Earth with my face as you drag me over it\" LMAO\n\nwhat a loser, dump him in he trash and move on"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nMen protect their women, i get that you're a soi chugging cuckold but this isn't even about race its about human instinct."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npic unrelated"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>5\n>slap a lady on the ass\n>her husband and his racially diverse group of friends and acquaintances grab you to rough you up and threaten you so you never do that again\n>immediately proceed to call the husband a cuck and faggot and brag about how you've fucked his race's women before and his wife is next\n>get killed\nWow... America... h-how could you!?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>Men protect their women\n\nWhat do you mean by \"their women\"? Unless they're locked up in a harem somewhere to which only you have access, all women are everyone's women. It's only logical."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nshe was his wife. Normal people do not think its acceptable for their wives to get raped by Blacks, even as reparations for slavery."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>defending literal child kidnappers and torturers\n>Justifying killing him because a 14 year old didn't beg his kidnappers\n\nSounds like Till was based and your murderer heroes were a bunch of pussies who killed a kid over hurt feelings."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>getting catcalled is rape\n\nSo Rightards are actually woke?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nAre you genuinely retarded or did you have to say something retarded to spark a debate?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nI don’t see any reason to give leniency to subhuman niggers. He’s not going to be useful, the least the little monkey can do is learn some manners."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nthe south lost the war, idk why they should be given any leniency"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>thinks it’s southerners who hate niggers\nVisit america sometime, it’ll be a real education."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPic unrelated."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>all women are everyone's women\nyou're legitimately retarded if you think women are collectivized\nthe woman is married : she was legally bound to a man as he was to her, and at the time these were not recantable vows. She might have been actually fearful to be \"stolen\" and stained by a negro thug, you utter philistine."}, {"id": 20, "content": "O partigiano"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Porta mi via"}, {"id": 22, "content": "E se io muoio"}, {"id": 23, "content": "Da partigiano"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Burrito supreme por pa vor"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\nInteresting anachronism, unfortunately\nVIVA IL DUCE"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\n>He's le heckin' teenage infant!\nYeah kys ngl"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\nBlack people are absolutely impossible to sympathize with for me; I’ve tried. I really have. I don’t want to feel this way, they are universally detested by civilized people for a reason. So when they complain that they feel they are penalized more harshly it’s probably true, they don’t look or act like other people which makes them unpredictable; the only thing you can reliably predict is that they will quickly take any minor slight as a license to commit extreme violence, but in the same hour will cry “woe is me”; they also don’t understand the metaphysical concept of shame and completely lack humility when they are the one race who needs to be humble, if just for their complete lack of meaningful contribution to mankind in the general. So yes, he did deserve that. He deserved much worse and so did his nigger mother."}, {"id": 28, "content": "/pol/tranny thread"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nBetter mark it for moderation! Fucking faggot."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n*ChudGOD thread"}, {"id": 31, "content": "posting in the epic thread"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>please feel sorry for me because of my skin color\n>no\n>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE\ncope"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\n>Black people are absolutely impossible to sympathize with for\nHow long have you been browsing pol?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">leftypol losing control of the narrative so they dump their pedo art folders to try to derail"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\n>>30\n>>32\n/pol/tranny meltdown"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nloving kids is apolitical"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nnobody said the n word so the tranny janny can't clean house"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>scared of saying nigger\nfound the reddit tourist"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>has never had a janny hunt you down before\nnewfag"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>being scared of jannies\nhow new are you?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nI'm just too lazy to change my IP and he gets really mad sometimes and permabans in these threads"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nFair enough"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDisrespectful. Delete your thread"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>10\n>what is group identity\n>what is in-group preference\n>what is nation?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>12\n>not the kidderinos!\nCry harder"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>17\nTf is that pic? Resident evil?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>2\n>not being a cuck is negro logic\nSo I guess its not racist to kill niggers, since we ARE niggers. Correct?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>10\nThey’re property. Have been for all of history."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica never should have stopped negro lynching. Look how even more entitled they became."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nIf you believe someone is guilty of a crime, prove it in court instead of acting like a chimp. This is America, not some third world shithole where the law means nothing."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>This is America, not some third world shithole where the law means nothing.\nAnon, I..."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>45\nDilate"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nProve lynched blacks were innocent"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>unknown\nThe leather can't breathe like that baka"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\n>If you believe someone is guilty of a crime, prove it in court instead of acting like a chimp. This is America, not some third world shithole where the law means nothing."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nProve they were guilty."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nThat’s not how guilt and innocence work."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>cuck cuck cuck XDDD"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n>Having principles and caring about the rule of law is…le cucked!"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>>57\nSo you admit they were probably guilty\n\nWhy do you defend rapists and murderers?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>So you admit they were probably guilty\nNo, you fucking retard. If I accused you of a crime, it would be absurd to murder you without proof.\n>Why do you defend murderers and rapists\nI am not, I am defending people who have not been proven to have committed any crime."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nOkay but obviously you agree they probably did it"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nYou know it"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>59\n>>Having principles and caring about the rule of law\n\nShow trial of Saint Derek is a ultimate proof that you don't have any of these traits."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nI never said that, and it’s not obvious. Stop ignoring my point you faggot."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nYou don't have a point, you defend rapists and murderers because you like when white people die"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nNot sure who Saint Derek. Didn’t know there were people who named their child “Saint”. I’d think that would be the Christian equivalent of stolen valor."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nThat is not true. I defend people who have not received a fair trial."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>Not sure who Saint Derek. Didn’t know there were people who named their child “Saint”. I’d think that would be the Christian equivalent of stolen val-ack"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nBut they were obviously guilty which you admit. So you're knowingly defending rapists and murderers because you're a virulent racist that likes when whites die"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nTrials cost money and feeding nigger criminals for the rest of their lives costs even more money, sorry i don't want the gov to take half of my hard earned money."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis one deserved much worse, but still got caught in his own bullshit, so he almost got what was coming for him"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>But they were obviously guilty which you admit.\nI never admitted to such a thing. And besides, if it’s so obvious, then prove it."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>12\n>Sounds like Till was based and your murderer heroes were a bunch of pussies who killed a kid over hurt feelings."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nLook at black crime rates and tell me they're not overwhelmingly rapists and murderers"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>44\nNo one shares any group identity with you.\nYou were picked last in dodgeball, you think anyone is going to pick you to be their teammate in some race war?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>68\n>I defend people who have not received a fair trial.\n\nLol."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nSo according to you, an individual should not be judged on the basis of whether he did anything as an individual, but whether or not different people who have the same skin did something?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nI'm just saying statistically, and you admit this, it's probably not too far from the truth that most blacks that were publicly executed without trial were guilty of rape and murder\n\nThis isnt even remotely debatable"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>This isnt even remotely debatable\nIt actually is, since they never got an opportunity to argue their innocence, and forensics weren’t very good in the past compared to now."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">spent his entire trial ignoring court procedures just to insult the audience and the court in general\n>gets sentenced\n>proceeds to be even more obnoxious by demanding that his \"punishment\" should be free food for life (a reward reserved for olympic athletes) and proclaiming himself to be a gift from god\n>the sentence was changed from a fine to death by hemlock poisoning\n>the death sentence passed by a greater margin than his actual conviction\n>A not insignificant amount of people thought he was innocent, but was such an insufferable shithead that he deserved to die anyways\n\nNot sure if based or not"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nIt's not. You can't look at black crime statistics and say they're not most of the rape and murder in the US. Even attempting to do so outs you as a wackjob"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nSo what? As I have said, an individual should be judged on his behavior. If you didn’t prove someone committed a crime, don’t punish them as if you did."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nSo you admit it's highly likely that lynching victims were guilty"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nWhy do you keep saying I admitted something I didn’t? I agreed that blacks as a demographic have a higher crime rate, but that that is irrelevant to whether or not an INDIVIDUAL is guilty."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\n>Admit that blacks are disproportionately rapists and murderers\n>why does that matter\nbecause lynchings were probably justified which is why you rely on the legal aspect because you know the blacks did it"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nExcept I don’t know that the black people in question did it, since it wasn’t actually proven. Why is the basic concept of “innocent until proven guilty” something you reject?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nYou don't know that blacks are disproportionately murderers and rapists?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\n>probably\n>likely\nYour entire \"argument\" was ruined the moment you used words like this. There are black people (according to statistics mind you) that don't commit crimes, so he probably didn't do it. Statistics also say the average black person (or any person for that matter) isn't a criminal, so criminals factually don't exist in the first place.\n>>87\nI don't know why you're still trying"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nBut's it's 100% fact that blacks are disproportionately rapists and murderers?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nIt is 100% facts that black people are overwhelmingly not murderers and rapists?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nI accept your concession"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nI would too, but (statistically speaking of course) you never had an argument in the first place."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\nYes, black people are more likely to be criminals, but black people are not guaranteed to be criminals, and should thus be given the ability to have a trial or alternatively agree to a plea deal. Let me phrase this in a way that might be clearer: Are all apples red? No. Sure, many apples are red, but it’s far from the only color of apple."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>black people are not guaranteed to be criminals\nwhich is why lynchings weren't that common because they only went after actual criminals"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nOkay? The commonality of lynchings is a distinct topic from whether lynchings are moral."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nSo lynchings weren't common, they only went after criminals and more than likely only killed rapists and murderers?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nLynching can be defined as “lynching, a form of violence in which a mob, under the pretext of administering justice without trial, executes a presumed offender, often after inflicting torture and corporal mutilation. The term lynch law refers to a self-constituted court that imposes sentence on a person without due process of law.” so if there isn’t a trial, but there is an execution by a mob, it seems to fit the definition of lynching."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nI'm not here to argue semantics, the people that were lynched were statistically guilty of murder and rape"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nI am sure that some people lynched did do the crime they were accused of, but others were not, and they never got a chance to argue their innocence. Do you believe the lives of the innocent hold no value of some guilty people are likely to be killed at all? When does the ratio of likely innocents to likely guilty people killed become too high for you?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n>I am sure that some\nNo not \"some\", statistically almost all of them would have been guilty"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nAnd you know this how? It’s hardly as if they had, say, an to prove their guilt or innocence."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nBecause: lynchings weren't common, they only went after criminals and more than likely only killed rapists and murderers\n\nI know this because today blacks are disproportionately rapists and murderers, so it's a reality that they would have still been a problem in the past"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nThat's not evidence. Torture-murders involving multiple perpetrators are also uncommon. Does that mean they're justified?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nI don't need direct evidence when I have statistics, if anything you need to prove that all of these people were likely innocent"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nThat's not how US law works anon."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nYou're conflating presumption of innocence with actual innocence, everything points to lynching victims actually being guilty of their crimes and you can't prove otherwise"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\n>That's not how US law works anon\n>US law\n>works"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\n>everything\nLike what?"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\n>there's no evidence that blacks were ever rapists or murderers\nsource? I mean it better be a good one. It can't be your personal historical fanfiction. Imagine how pathetic somebody would have to be to believe something like that"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nWhere's the evidence of these specific people being guilty?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nWhere's the evidence of blacks never being rapist or murderers to the point that it's absurd to assume so? You know the one that supports your belief system?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nYou're demanding to prove a negative."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nI'm demanding you p[rove your belief system, otherwise you believe things without having any factual basis, which makes you insane"}, {"id": 115, "content": "We saw what happened in Chicago. They let niggers run free after they moved up from the south. Now the city is infested with crime and welfare families where not a single person holds a job. The south knew how to handle them."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historical examples of when people got what they FUCKING deserved.\nGreeks, especially after Isaurian dynasty tried to cooperate with muzzies. If you are going to backstab your friends so frequently, you deaerve the daddy Dandolo putting you in your place"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nGreeks also deserved getting Turk'd after their prideful bishops were actively REJECTING any associations with their fellow Christians. But theyw ere ok with muzzies and didnt rebel until their wutist intellectuals todl them otherwise. A two faced nation, i hope TVRKS annihilate them."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>unknown\nthis is such a sad photo... mussolini was a proud, passionate man, a virile and prolific paramour, a lover of literature, poetry, philosophy, music, cinema who surrounded himself with philosophers and intellectuals, a wild, turbulent nature, as is shown by his early dalliances with futurism and socialism, an ambitious dreamer, who wanted nothing more than to make his nation an echo of the old Roman greatness; and to see him brought so low in this pathetic display: This is what happens when yoju fuck with international finance and big money. Sometimes I wonder what his last days would have been like; scurrying furtively over the ruins of his empire, cursing his fate lost, maybe in the passionate embrace of his final lover, or else dreaming of how glorious it all might have been if he was a slightly better chess player."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>7\n>Men protect their women\nOk, kick his ass, I'm with you\n>torture him to death and hide his body\nNah psycho as fuck as proves what? you can abduct a 14yo boy at gunpoint and beat the fuck out of him as a group? Big man"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>114\nI'm demanding you provide evidence of a claim."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nI think the main problem was that if blacks raped and murdered with no witnesses you couldn't convict them of the crime, so \"law abiding\" citizens would have to ignore the problem until they raped and murdered again, and a lot of people weren't willing to let that happen"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nI'm glad you can't even begin to explain your belief system which proves you are insane"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nWhere's the evidence of your original claim?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nEvidence that blacks are prone to rape and murder? Like the last 3 times I told you crime statistics exist\n\nWhere's your evidence that blacks didn't rape and murder as much today as they did 100 years ago?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>121\nWitnesses aren't the only form of evidence. Forensics were primitive in 1900 but they existed. If they found someone's bloodstained clothing on you, that could be key evidence in a trial."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\n>Witnesses aren't the only form of evidence\nThey were back then, especially in podunk little towns that transient blacks were visiting and raping the women in"}, {"id": 127, "content": "Tranny has a dilating session that his pet negro hero died like a bitch. Why is whitey like this?"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\nNo. The claim that lynching only happened to guilty people who raped and murdered. Sometimes mobs broke the victim out of jail after conviction before they could be executed or sent to prison like the case of >>unknown but rumors or suspicion could provoke a lynching too, and sometimes crowds actually broke the victim out of jail BEFORE trial.\n>>126\nThey weren't. I can recall at least a handful of cases where bloodied/stained clothes or objects found at the scene were presented at trial. IIRC Joe Hill (a famous songwriter and trade unionist) was executed because he had a handkerchief linked to a murder."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>105\n>I have statistics\nNo your faggot ass doesn't, you just said you did and hoped they wouldn't ask, you're going to post about image that says whatever you want that has no source, or you'll link to hitlerlove69.com for it."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>124\nA hundred years ago organized crime was dominated by immigrants like the Italians and Irish"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\n>wE cAnT kNoW iF tHeY wErE gUiLtY\n\n\n>black shows up in sleepy town with no crime where everybody knows each other\n>suddenly somebody gets raped and murdered\n*vine boom sound* *bruh*"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\n>made up situation proves I'm right!\nkys"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\npractically every lynching victim was a transient black or lone black in a white area where everybody knew each other"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>I'm going to invest further in my made up narrative because I hope he won't question it!\nkys"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>129\nBlacks rape 209× more white women, then white men do black women. You talk like an absolute midwit. The conversation you were both having was about a kid. This kid was metaphorically \"begging to be punched\". Was it too much? Yeah. But ask yourself what would happen to you with any race at that age, if you went out of your way to catcall a kid and brag that you're a rapist in front of her boyfriend. Like this dumb nigger did."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\nCope, you lost"}, {"id": 137, "content": "today with the Interwebz we can expose a lot of the false narratives about lynchings and the civil rights movement that you were sold as fact for decades"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>131\nThey wouldn't have just shown up randomly. Most of them were likely sharecroppers or low level tenant farmers - that was how most black people lived pre WWI."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>135\n>Blacks rape 209× more white women\n\nLeft handed men rape and kill right handed women way more right handed men rape left handed women, you stupid fucking faggot. That's how numbers work"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\nthe fuck are you talking about retard? The topic is lynching victims, most of them unemployed transients"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>136\n>I just say things and won't source it and say cope when he doesn't engage with it\nSo the most convenient way to kill yourself with a firearm is do it in your basement after ripping off carpet first. That way the blood doesn't soak anything, the crime scene cleaner will really appreciate it"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\n>black still can't explain why he believes all lynching victims were innocent with zero evidence"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\n>Inbred doesn't understand what burden of proof is\nProve to me you didn't rape a white woman"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\n>mentally ill negro incapable of explaining his belief system spergs out and tells people to kill themselves because he doesn't have an argument because of his low IQ\nhate to see it"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>139\nWhat the fuck are you talking about, what is your stupid midwit babble have any relevance to what we're discussing"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>144\n>Just saying more things when I give you every opportunity to source it\nYou might want to call the police beforehand, don't want your body to smell for months"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\nthe black can't conceptualize anything in his mind except some grand conspiracy of racism so asking him to devise conclusions from datasets makes him shit his pants"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>58\nThe left genuinely can't meme"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>135\nTSMT"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>140\nYeah I'm saying most of them would have been farmers, not hobos. Hobos were more common along railroad lines and where there was work, not in little towns with dirt roads."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nA lot of lynching victims especially in the South were farmhands."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>145\nIf you divide a population into two groups, one that 10% of the population and another that is the remaining 90%, then of course it is far more likely for 10% group to do something to larger one-- because're 90% of the population."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nWhat if that 10% also does 50% of all the crime tho?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nHowever the 10% group itself is a minority. So if 10% numerically does more rape than 90%, the 10% are particulatily prone to doing it. So much so that this minority outweighs all of what the 90% can do. Real statiticians note these things and make their information the most factual and accurate, to remove the biais."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRama Raya"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>4\nYeah if you're a pedophile"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>150\n>most of the transient unemployed black rapists were actually farmers\nthis doesn't even make sense, but I guess that's black logic for you"}, {"id": 158, "content": "Bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>13\nWe aren’t arguing with you. Get the fuck out, stay the fuck out, or get blown the fuck out. This isn’t a debate. It’s Whitey exercising his total domination over the ex slave bucks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would Germany look like if Ernst Röhm managed to coup Hitler and take over the NSDAP?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "they would have won ww2 with the gay bomb"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal talk: it would have been gay North Korea\n\nImagine a communist state where the upper class are having lemon parties."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome believe that Röhm was killed in order to avoid the NSDAP getting putsched by the non-NSDAP weimar right because they were on much thinner ice with them immediately after their takeover than most people assume. Between the commies and the NSDAP the weimar right definitely preferred the NSDAP but not to the point of forgiving it if they were to go full retard and the NSDAP itself did not become so entrenched just yet that it could just strongarm everyone into submission."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermany would have a fuhrer who sucks cock and eats ass and gets fucked in the ass with cocks and eats cum"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>5\n>Rohm was gay\n\nNo proof. You’re falling for British propaganda."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTbh I think Germany under Rohm would’ve ended up being like like Fidel’s Cuba."}, {"id": 8, "content": "probably just as fucked up as it is now"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGayer"}, {"id": 10, "content": "> a high level of discourse is expected. Realistically, he would have been counter coup the German, right. Rohm was a jumped up street thug and never had the charisma Hitler did. The NSDAP would facture."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThe only way he differentiated from Tankie Leninism is antisemitism and even then I am not sure how antisemitic he actually was or what laws he planned to initiate."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The death of the vast majority of American native population due to disease brought by Europeans is a well-known fact, but why hasn't Europe experienced the same thing? Why didn't Europe suffer a similar fate by some Native American disease brought from the new world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they took baths"}, {"id": 3, "content": "aryan magics"}, {"id": 4, "content": "European exposure to livestock animals and urbanized living conditions bolstered the hell out of their immune system."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what is Black Death\nBasic Medieval Education."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember reading de soto's diary and he finds some euro settlements wiped off by disease"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>disease brought from the new world?\nreading comprehension much?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nNatives bathed more than smell Europeans Navigators and hand washing was associated with Jews in Black Death times.\n>>7\nBlack Death came from Asia and was exacerbated in Europe because of an idiot pope who killed cats because they were worshiped by a Luciferian sect."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>disease brought from the new world?\nanon,i want you to read that sentence one more time,slowly."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Natives bathed more\nI doubt they even bathed at all looking at how a meme disease like smallpox wiped them all out when the old world survived much worse"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>>10\nSamefag."}, {"id": 12, "content": "people who survived the black plague are superhuman mutants immune wise."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nschizo\n>inb4 inspect element"}, {"id": 14, "content": "euros had lots of domestic animals to incubate zoonotic diseases in. Natives mostly hunted their protein."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nPaintfag."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Syphilis\n/thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nyou cant /thread your own reply retard"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nThere is no longer consensus on that"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe real black pill is that there just wasnt that many natives to begin with outside of the Incas and Meso American cunts. While we have massive cities and ruins every mile in Mexico from the natives, you have snow flakes in the US claiming their small mud hut village of 4 buildings housed 500,000 natives out of the surely 200 million present in the current day US, but there just arent the massive burial sites and ruins to prove it"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\n/Thread should have ended here\n>>16\nvery little supporting evidence for the theory. It's hard to identify disease based on symptoms alone but the current consensus is that it probably existed in Europe since antiquity."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>>20\nAt the very least it existed in ancient Egypt because it was found in a tomb iirc."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe've had issues with syphilis until the invention of antibiotics and it's not like smallpox didn't occasionally wreck a town or two in the old world throughout the period. The entire plague thing is kind of fake because it would take a generation or two for the injuns to recover their population after the first contact and they'd be largely immunised since. We don't have good statistics on that because savagery doesn't lend itself to conducting census but it was always noted that indians weren't exactly breeding like rabbits which with modern knowledge you'd expect from hunter gatherers. American indian were a race that started their decline into savagery around 1200's, the contact just sped it up at the point where there was just no return, but if it wasn't for it and we'd discover them in 21st century we'd consider them to be a lost species of great apes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a dumber claim than this? There is no evidence of the Nazis recieving large donations from big buisniess before 1932. The slogan in question is nothing but a cope from deranged intellectuals that can't accept the fact that fascism was better liked by the people of Europe than socialism (just like the nerds today who think \"far right\" people vote against their own interests). If you want to talk about movements that were actually financed by large capital from the inception you should look no further than Bolshevism, financed by German and American bankers."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">before 1932\nso before they were relevant?\nOnce they were big enough to become a force in German politics the business class did everything possible to shepherd them into power, for which the nazis handsomely rewarded them with union busting and slave labor"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">beg for evidence\n>don't provide any for your own claims"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's not what is meant by that idiom, stupid conspiracuck."}, {"id": 5, "content": "it means something like\n\n\"fascism is thing I don't like, and cause the world is getting fasicstier (people today don't even believe in gay marriage anymore!) that means capitalism is decaying even faster. Any day now communism will win, and I will finally be a real woman. \""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>so before they were relevant?\nAnon, do you really think a party only becomes relevant once it becomes the biggest party?\n>the business class did everything possible to shepherd them into power\nThey saw where they were headed, of they tried to take advantage of the situation, why wouldn't they try to support the party hearing for victory? Ultimately they didn't get what they wanted from them though.\n>for which the nazis handsomely rewarded them with union busting and slave labor\nThey replaced free unions with a national one, just like China has done."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIt means that the capitalists will do anything to defend their class interests when capitalism is collapsing, inclusing (supposedly) supporting authoritarianism. No?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWas the capitalist parties entering coalition with Hitler and voting for the Enabling Act not them that?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThey did, but primarily because lf the general instability in Germany at the time, capitalism decaying had nothing to do with it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>b-b-businesses jumping en masse on the band wagon don’t count\n/pol/ is off its meds again, I see"}, {"id": 11, "content": "No fascism is ultimately a weak society in decay, but not a capitalist one."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>Once they were big enough to become a force in German politics the business class did everything possible to shepherd them into power\nThis is literal communist propaganda pushed by the KPD and later East German state-funded \"historians,\" and has been debunked long ago. It's very clear from all the historical evidence that most big industrialists wanted a conservative party, such as the DNVP.\n\nOn the other hand, it is well-documented historical fact that the revolutions in Russia and China were supported by super wealthy bankers like Olof Aschberg, Israel Lazarevich Gelfand, Meir Henoch Wallach and Goldman Sachs; and that the World Bank and the IMF were founded by the communists Harry Dexter White and Frank Virginius Coe; all of whom were Jews.\n>union busting\nThey broke up employers' association too, but lying Communists always try to hide that fact. Becauese Communists are indeed subhumans."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fascism was better liked by the people of Europe than socialism\nThen why are there no fascist parties in European parliaments today but there are plenty of socialist and social democratic parties?\n\nSupporting a dead, failed ideology like fascism and communism won’t make your life better."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFascism is just Marxism with racism as part of the doctrine"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>still gives zero evidence"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nModern China and Nordic Socialism are far closer to fascism than Marxism. Fascism is banned on site but if groups naturally find themselves including old fascist policies because they work, it still shows that the idea was a natural one and part of civilized consciousness"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Gives evidence\n>Wtf this isn't produced by mr goldberg from Brandenburg oblast so it's WRONG and therefore not EVIDENCE reeeeeee\nCope more vatnig, you're on the wrong side of history"}, {"id": 18, "content": "The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic.\n\nHowever, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.\n\nThe Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible.\n\nState ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases \"the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it.\"\n\nCompanies privatized by the Nazis included the four major commercial banks in Germany, which had all come under public ownership during the prior years: Commerz– und Privatbank, Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft, Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank.\n\nAlso privatized were the Deutsche Reichsbahn (German Railways), at the time the largest single public enterprise in the world, the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G. (United Steelworks), the second largest joint-stock company in Germany (the largest was IG Farben) and Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG, a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry.\n\nThe government also sold a number of shipbuilding companies, and enhanced private utilities at the expense of municipally owned utilities companies."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nFascism is authoritarian capitalism to put it rather simplistic."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nHoly cope"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nEverything I dont like is marxism sounds more like cope."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nIt'd be a cope if it wasn't true, but it is sadly. Marxist and Fascism are both natural outcomes for Socialism"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nKys"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>Eurocel seethes because fascists and marxists are similar\n>immediately resorts to racism as a fascist would\nIt'd be funny but sadly euragatans cant sense irony due to their npc status"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\n>Modern China\nSure, and it’s an authoritarian shithole for it.\n>Nordic socialism\nNo lol. Parties like the SPD were banned in Nazi germany which considered them communist adjunct even when they opposed the Spartacists in 1919 and those parties would be banned in the modern day too.\n\nAll fascist parties were fanatic militarists who sought to expand their countries borders through conquest. Their “policies” that worked are all things that were tried before under previous conservative and socialist governments, while the ones that failed are the deranged, authoritarian bullshit like Lebensborn under the Nazis, or the Legionaries wanting to wipe out anyone living in Romania who wasn’t an Orthodox Christian.\n\nThat’s why it only appeals to deranged losers who are too chickenshit to just join the military because it’s “too degenerate”, and why it was opposed by almost everyone, even conservatives, for being a self destructive movement destined to implode."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWhy didn't Spain, Portugal, Venezuela or Peru try to expand their cunts if that's what all Fascists did? What Italy and Germany did was obviously not the norm for Fascist parties"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>9\nThe general instability was the result of economic instability"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>handsomely rewarded\nFactories were assigned commissars and if you didn't comply with them you got thrown into a concentration camp."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>Spain\nFascists were purged by Franco\n>Portugal\nEstado Novo spent and inordinate amount of resources maintaining a colonial empire up until its collapse\n\n>Venezuela, Peru\nToo poor to ever build up an autarkic military industrial complex"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>Germany\n>Commissars\nMeanwhile back in reality, large business owners joined the NSDAP, donated money to them, supported their union busting policies and made ample use of slave labor. They didn't need much coercion."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>companies getting collectivized under state guidence into proven industrial leaders is not Socialism because they didnt give the industry to complete retards like the Soviets did"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>If I say it enough it's true!"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nNazi commissars were a thing.\nLarge business owners hedging their bets and donated other parties as well.\nThe Nazis forced business to do what the party wanted, even if it wasn't profitable of efficient. Like slavery.\nThe Nazis didn't \"bust\" unions. They merged them all into a national union which had more influence over the workplace than independent unions did.\nThe Nazis were socialists.\nAnd it was beautiful."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>6\n> The slogan in question is nothing but a cope from deranged intellectuals that can't accept the fact that fascism was better liked by the people of Europe than socialism (just like the nerds today who think \"far right\" people vote against their own interests).\nThe Nazis promised everything to everybody (except the Jews) and people were obviously frustrated at the extent of the economic crisis, which the communists also understood but which the other parties didn't so much. But Hitler had greater resources and sympathies in the higher quarters, which the communists did not, and the left and the center weren't cooperating.\n\n>They saw where they were headed, of they tried to take advantage of the situation, why wouldn't they try to support the party hearing for victory?\nWell, yeah.\n\n>Ultimately they didn't get what they wanted from them though.\nTrue. But the thing with the Nazis is they were the \"lesser evil\" option for a lot of people once things started coming to a head. For the industrialists in the higher quarters and for the right generally, they were a lesser evil compared to the communists. For workers, they were the lesser evil compared to a straightforward Junker-military dictatorship, because the Nazis had populism going for them which appealed to the \"lower\" classes, so they were able to synthesize an alliance, take power and then liquidate the socialists and communists, banning their parties, and shooting their leaders."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>18\nWasn't Nazi privatization just giving businesses to party loyalists who'd carry out government policy.\nSo is it really private if a business is just an organ of the state with no capacity for free action?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nThe Nazis were also running out of money and steam by the time of their last election, where they even lost a few seats, so they sort of had the get friendly with big businesses."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCit was very dumb. Capitalism wasn’t even decaying. Lmao"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>13\n>bans party\n>why is there no party?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>29\n>Fascists were purged by Franco\nMeme pushed by modern democrats in Spain. Franco’s regime was typical Fascism. 99% of Fascists were not le purged. Franco’s regime called itself Fascist until the 60s when the label was dropped."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>26\n>Venezuela or Peru\nNot Fascist, they lacked the distinctive traits of Fascism. Not all rightwing authoritarianism is le fascist."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>25\n>deranged losers\n>just join the military\n>This post was sent from Englin Airforce Base"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>33\n>Like slavery.\nMeme pushed by the allies. The only “slave” labor the Germans used were prison labor. All other workers were voluntary guest workers. The Allies did the same thinhr and contemporarily use prison labor to prop up their economies."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>16\n>Nordic Socialism is far closer to fascism\nYou're right. The Swedes are following the proud fascist tradition of importing foreigners to have sex with their women.\n> German men went abroad and killed millions \"subhumans,\" only to import millions of other “subhumans” to do the work in Germany that the German men would have been doing themselves—had they not been abroad killing “subhumans.” The net effect, setting aside the mass killing abroad, was that Germany became more of a Slavic land than it had ever been in history. (The Bloodlands pg. 245-246)"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>All other workers were voluntary guest workers\nAnd Jews were sent to resort camps with swimming pools and cinemas while Germans had to live on ration cards."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>38\n>a law stops the defenders of western civilization from defending evropa\nWhat a bunch of weak pussies. Letting the law get in your way. Surely if your ideas are so popular among the people, you wouldn't have to worry about that?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>2\n>union busting and slave labor\nSo you mean like the Soviets did?\n>nazis invented privatizarion\nSoviets invented direct foreign investment\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_concessions_in_the_USSR"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>13\n>Supporting a dead, failed ideology like fascism and communism won’t make your life better.\nThis is why communists and fascists should stop fighting each other. You have a common enemy, there is no point in trying to denigrate your common enemy by linking them to a non-threat like the other is. Instead you should unite with the other as brothers against your common enemy."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nCorrect"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nMarijuana is very popular yet remains illegal. Are you underage?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nCommunism is just Capitalism in decay"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nAlmost. Communism gains popularity when capitalism is in decay."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nIs fascism as popular as dope?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\n>common enemy\nAnd who is that."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>35\nIt was a monopoly-capitalist dictatorship where the state intervened to insulate big business from market competition while retaining private property relations within the firm, while transferring state ownership in companies to private ownership by selling the state's shares in those companies to them. This included local public utilities, steel and mining companies, railways, shipping companies, and commercial banks. Others have pointed out that the businessmen were not actually so enthusiastic about the Nazis, but this is one reason why they did that, along with generating revenue for the state.\n\nThyssen was enthusiastic about it, and he didn't want the state owning that stuff because he believed that could lead to communism. Interesting enough, he turned against the Nazis as war approached, because he opposed the war, and fled to France and then his business was nationalized. He was later arrested by Vichy authorities and sent to Dachau."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nCommunists hate nations.\nFascists love their nations.\nYou are retarded."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>the state intervened to insulate big business from market competition\nHow the fuck is that capitalism?\nCapitalism is both private ownership and free market exchange. If you remove one without the other it's not capitalism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is your honest opinion of them and their theology? I left this cult and the outside world is a breath of clean air."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nothing Mormons do or believer is any stranger than any other kind of Christianity, they just say it in simple English instead of cloaking it in Greco-Latin obscurantism terminology. \"You can celebrate holidays other than mass therefore Yahweh has a body and wives with whom he has endless celestial sex and they live on the planet Kolob\" is CUH-RAZY, ZANY, and WHACKY, but if Joseph Smith \"promulgated pantransubstantiability, theosomaticism, and intrauniversaltheopresentialism\" then there'd be hundreds of obese retards on twitter talking about what a titanic intellect he was."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nah this thread again.\n\nobligatory: I don't subscribe to a religion\n\nThe LDS church doctrine is based off a poor quality plagiarism of the christian bible, and Joseph Smith was a con-man and a pedophile whose intention was to get all the money, women, and power. didnt even make it to 40. today the LDS church is a very well-run money laundering corporation that sends a bit off to help people to pretend to not be in the money-laundering business. and their 1st world numbers are falling, but they offset that by gaining large numbers from latin america, because people of normal intelligence dont give them the time of day."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDidn't know it was a common topic here. I almost never come to /his/ bc it seems to be more or less of the same content."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Didn't know it was a common topic here.\nIt isn't really. The last good thread on it I remember was a few weeks ago. I live in Utah and love these."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMormonism is retarded and I have no idea how there are any Mormons after we learned to understand Egyptian hieroglyphs."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts like a shitty joke that become a religion. Sadly these people are too retarded to be even ashamed."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably the most hilariously indefensible religion in history. Your pic is a prime example"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>these people are too retarded\nNah, members of the LDS church aren't any dumber than anyone else, it's just a regional legacy thing. Their parents are in it so they pay lipservice to it, but the church's legacy and teachings are of wealth acquisition, so that's what everyone in and adjacent to the church is focused on. Which is not dumb in and of itself."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>I have no idea how there are any Mormons after we learned to understand Egyptian hieroglyphs.\n\n>>8\n>Sadly these people are too retarded to be even ashamed.\n\n>>9\n>hilariously indefensible\n\nThing is, devoted members are taught mental gymnastics to make the religion as defensible as possible. The church trains us to be retarded and obedient. We are trained to reject any info on debunkings."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were based when they were an antigovernement, polygamist, murder cult\n\nKinda ok now that they support decent values and their members seem to be happier and richer than the average amerishart"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWhy would someone pay lip service if they don’t think it’s true? That is lying, which is wrong."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>antigovernment\nOh yeah, like that time they formed a militia and Joseph Smith ran for president in hopes to create a new nation"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nLike...90% of people everywhere pay lipservice to ideals and coast through life thoughtlessly. It's fun to make fun of religionists for it, but it isn't unique to them."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nSo in the case of Mormons, is it less that the ye pay lip service to ideas they know to be false, and more so that they don’t think about whether it’s true or false? Seems a bit irresponsible when you think your eternal soul is on the line. Literally nothing is of higher stakes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nThen dozens of his followers died in shootouts with feds"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>and more so that they don’t think about whether it’s true or false?\nProbably."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPossibly the worst modern \"religion\" (obvious brainwashing cult) in the world.\nThey masquerade as traditionalist conservative Christians while being the preeminent promoters of progressive left-wing ideology in the government (owing to a disproportionate membership in the circuit courts and intelligence agencies) and being flagrant pagans who deny the trinity and believe God to be a powerful alien who didn't create the universe or anything really.\nThey have more sexual abuse scandals than any other organization in the United States excepting the public school system, and their \"church\" is a for-profit organization run by a mafia-style syndicate of families dating back to the cult's origins in the 1840s. Their history is primarily that of a roving band of cannibal barbarians, being responsible for the deaths (organized mass killings) of more American settlers on the western frontier than all Indian tribes combined.\nTo top it all off, their religion is a literal scam invented by a known con-artist with an established criminal record, it's so fucking fake that it makes scientology look real.\n\nIt is a crime that this loony-bin cult was not wiped out by General Grant when he wanted to."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nWhy don’t they think about something which concerns their eternal soul? What the fuck?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhy don't you think about [something other than what you personally find enjoyable]?\n\nNow pretend you're someone who doesn't find religion fun."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nBecause most people don't? And those who do have nice comfy confirmation bias working for them?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>mafia-style syndicate of families\nWhere can I read about this?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nYou look at the family trees of the currently church elders and find they all suspiciously go straight back to Brigham Young and his cronies\nit's a private little monarchy running roughshod over American soil, but it gets a free pass because \"muh 1st amendment\""}, {"id": 25, "content": "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system\nhttps://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni-ladaria_en.html"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>Now pretend you're someone who doesn't find religion fun.\nWhat does fun matter compared to the possibility of infinite suffering? It seems extremely childish to just not think about religion if you believe you have a soul and that it will experience an afterlife."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nWhat do you mean most people don’t think about religion? People have plenty of motives and opportunity to think about it."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReally nonsensical and while I can appreciate the sense of community it can bring to its members I just can't overlook how retarded the whole John Smith story of revelation is and how dumb anyone that believes in it is."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nGet off your high-horse, you don't care about \"infinite suffering\". You're one of a gazillion spergy internet weirdos who likes having the same arguments about basic bitch low church American Protestantism. You find it fun. You like making these arguments. It's like a videogame to you. It's like sports. You've even picked a team that's completely detached from your daily life (you don't go to church)."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think it's just another disgusting form of Jew Worship, no better or worse than Catholicism, Protestantism etc. and anyone who is of European descent should avoid it.\n\nIf you're interested in hearing some thoughts in Mormonism/Christianity from a Jewish perspective, check out this video from Rabbi Manis Friedman:\nhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=I6XF71YswCs&t=690s [Embed]"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>11\nSurely the book of Abraham is bad enough to penetrate that brainwashing"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>grr I hate Jews!\n>btw here's what this Jewish rabbi has to say I believe everything he says"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>you don't go to church\nWell yeah, I’m not religious."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>grr I hate Jews!\n>btw here's what this Jewish rabbi has to say\nNo contradiction here whatsoever.\nMy position on Jews and my disdain for Judaism is based on the hundreds (thousands?) of hours I've spent reading their books and listening to their rabbis and intellectuals.\nMeanwhile, your love for Jews and your willingness to worship a Jew as your god is based on complete ignorance of what Jews are and what they believe.\n>I believe everything he says\nI never said that.\nThe fact that you can't comprehend that it's possible to listen to what a person has to say without believing everything he says just goes to show that you Jew Worshipers really cannot be counted as fully human."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>Jew Worshipers really cannot be counted as fully human.\nI'm whiter than you."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nYou'd think, and it is effective. The church is good at hiding info. And they feed us bullshit like:\n>Most of the papyri is still missing, therefore scholars don't have the complete translation\n>It's a spiritual translation, not literal,\n>Even though the papyri was written centuries after Abraham, it could be knowledge passed down through generations\nBecause you know, the Egyptians totally worshiped the god of fucking abraham"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>>It's a spiritual translation, not literal,\nThat sounds like capitulation. If I was a Mormon and they told me that I would think \"oh no, this is bullshit\""}, {"id": 38, "content": "Ive always heard they were supposed to be the nicest people in the world, but the few mormons I met had a \"holier than thou\" attitude."}, {"id": 39, "content": "read.cesletter.org"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nYeah, it was a red flag for me too. I bought too much of their copium for so long.\n\n>>38\nNicest people in the world but behind closed doors we think were better than all the poor souls out there"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\ngood read"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n>>40\nRev. James White (a Christian pastor who has spent much of his ministry evangelizing the Mormon people) has told a story many times about once when he was passing out tracts at the Salt Lake City temple that one Mormon guy got so pissed at him because he was ripping Mormonism apart that he went up to him and shouted in his face \"SOMEDAY I'M GONNA BE A GOD, AND YOU ARE GONNA WORSHIP ME!\""}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\nthen why do you worship Jews?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nI only worship one Jew, and the reason is because He's God."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nyour willingness to worship a Jew as your god is based on complete ignorance of what Jews are and what they believe."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>>45\nfuckoff jewposters"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>implying the Talmud has anything to do with Jesus"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSchizophrenic new age cult started by white Americans masquerading as Christian, just like Jehovah's witnesses"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni'm glad you got out of it. i've dealt with cults myself and i know how difficult it can be. god bless you."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nseems like the Book of Abraham scandal is totally indefensible. i have even seen cope that modern understanding of the hieroglyphic language of Egypt must be wrong and that will be revealed eventually"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nJoseph Smith identified a figure in his papyri as \"the true God\", which actually is a depiction of Min, an ithyphallic god whom the Egyptians believed was constantly followed around by a harem and frequently engaged in pedophilic, incestues, homosexual, and zoophilic sex.\n\nMormonism continues to exist."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nIf the ancient egyptians were alive today they would shut that down so quick like that time when the church was baptizing dead holocaust victims and the jews made them stop."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is it that ESLs are so literal-minded? I hate interacting with them in any capacity due to having to dumb down any given subject to its most literal just for them to understand.\nDoes learning a language other than English first impair one's ability to think in abstract?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's harder to pick up on subtleties in other than your first language. Native English speakers also have this problem when being spoken to in other languages, especially non-European languages."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Does learning a language other than English first impair one's ability to think in abstract?\nYou're unable to think about the situation if you went to another country and learned their language."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is it that ESLs are so literal-minded?\nMaybe because they see English not as a tool of culture but of information sharing, hence why they prefer concise, precise terms and sentences instead of sharing – allegedly – witty figures of style?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause unlike you, we need to actually learn english with academic style of learning. So we -or at least I- tend to treat the language as a proper academic field complete with its semantics and terminology to accurately convey what I'm trying to say. That's maybe why it came out as a bit bland/souless in its delivery."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>>4\nI have – allegedly – shit my pants"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">we -or at least I- tend to treat the language as a proper academic field complete with its semantics and terminology to accurately convey what I'm trying to say."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">NOOOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO INHERENTLY UNDERSTAND MUH REFERENCES AND CUES\n\nMy favorite thing to do is pretend to not understand an Idiom and try to make natives mad by explaining it.\n\nAmericans are extremely susceptible to this I find."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWow, I wonder why people might have a poor grasp on things like metaphors or analogies from a language that isn’t their primary language. Fucking hell, EFL’s are so arrogant at times, and I say this as one."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nI am an autistic EFL and I am similar to some ESL’s in regards to using bland precise language."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause ESLs are proud of speaking broken English and mock their fellows for bothering to master a tongue they see as, \"white culture\". Don't ask them to go back to their shitholes if they're so proud though, that racist!\n\n>t. spic who dealt with this firsthand"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nWell yes? If I just blurted out whatever words that came into my head whenever i'm trying to say something, then you'd immediately call me a filthy ESL monkey with broken incomprehensible english. I HAD to think properly in my head what word to use and the grammars and other shit. But even with all of that effort, my post would most likely came out as weird unnatural sentences for you native speakers."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAs an EFL, your writing is fine."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSimmer down, negro mutt.\nYour kind is only able to communicate in ebonics, zoomerspeak and pop-culture references."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>speaking pidgin of french"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThere are different levels of esl. I'm from a Nordic country and we're exposed to the casual forms of the English language already as children due to movies, music, social interactions while gaming. We basically absorb the language in its common practice so we can effectively transform our own every-day language into english and fully comprehend the parallels.\nMeanwhile people from India or Turkey learn it strictly from schooling which makes it more clunky, a more strict format of speaking and writing, the language is treated like math. This makes them more unable to create a natural casual flow. They only understand what they've been taught, and puts the language inside a very hard frame when using it. When the language is treated like math, it hinders their capability for \"abstract thinking\"."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n\n>tldr\nThe more natural your English is, the less mental gymnastic is required."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n>>9\n>>16\nBecause no other language speaks in this cloudy metaphorical way. (not even Spanish as far as I know) You sound like bunch of schizos."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThis. You can't tell apart the good ESLs, only the bad ones."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey speak a foreign language so they are already smarter than you, be more humble anon"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo clue what you mean, give an example"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Jesus invent Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe didn't. Jews did."}, {"id": 3, "content": "To save sinners"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's a King. He announced the Kingdom of God. Christianity is just a later word. He didn't come to establish a religion. It's all encompassing."}, {"id": 5, "content": "*Saul"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is getting retarded..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnon, I'm not trying to freak you out, but you have a frog under you right now...."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nThat's what the Sun does. Not Jewsus.\n\nजपाकुसुम संकाशं काश्यपेयं महदद्युतिम् I\nतमोरिंसर्वपापघ्नं प्रणतोSस्मि दिवाकरम् II १ II\n>The one who is red in colour like that of the hibiscus flower, who is born in the Kashyapa lineage, O the brightest one.\nThe remover of darkness, the destroyer of sins, Oh Sun, I prostrate to you"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nStop eating da poo poo."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI'll stop when you stop eating human flesh in the form of bread."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>It's not a religion\nWhy does every religion say this?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews like to create stuff to profit off of them"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was butthurt the Chad pharisees exposed he was a midwit."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nWhy would a scam artist admit to a scam?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\n>>11\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aOHQ-sMCps [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncause Christ comes from Cristo from greek, which is their translation to Messiah from hebraic\nhe did not \"invent\" christisnity, he was the promissed messiah as he said it himself, but was not accepted by the rabbis as the messiah and they said it was blasphemy (which is considered a sin), and this the reason he was crucified\nthat's why christianity is \"created\" after him, it was to denominate those jews who believed he was the Messiah and followed his words\nthe other jews simply denied him and still waiting for the \"real\" Messiah till those days, which is the reason they don't follow Christ and are considered something apart of the Christianity community"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Probably because he was a jewish fundamentalist who wanted to start a religious war against the Roman empire that was occupying Israel at the time. Christianity is little more than his followers coping with this being a miserable failure, and them coming up with storieshow it actually wasn't a failure at all, but a total success"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPaul invented christianity"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any other books like this: where a great general is analyzing the campaigns of another great general? The author and subject don't have be on the level of Napoleon and Caesar."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">midpoleon and cheeser\n>great generals"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBeing a contrarian does not mean you are smart."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon was reddit incarnate"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When and why did the United States politicize trains? You don't see the autistic meltdown Americans have about trains in most of Europe. The most comparible arguments are often if trains should be privatized or not. Go to /int/ and made a train thread, Americans will screech and shit themselves about them needing to be torn up"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Subways and light rail can sometimes be political because uh, suburbanites can often fret about them potentially bringing the wrong sort of people into their neighborhood\n\nIntercity rail isn't political at all except to train enthusiasts who demand more funding for Amtrak, the average person though just doesn't even really think about trains, at all."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">trainsgender b8 thead"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI just think they're neat"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tldr: niggers and poor white trash in general shit up the public transit system and vagrants end up in otherwise safe areas\n\n\nBecause American infrastructure was largely built when segregation was still a thing, and so they couldn't just tear up trillions of dollars in material. Train tracks, freeways...it's all designed to hide the ugly parts of town from the upper classes. The freeways surrounding places like Los Angeles are a blatant example. The subways between the most crowded areas downtown are much more closely connected and are absolutely disgusting and filled with addicts nodding out and aggressive bug eyed manics. A few lines extend towards the quiet \"wealthier\" parts of the city, but their entrances are much further from the other lines' exits.\n\nToday this still effectively filters out poorfags regardless of race, and that's a good thing. Anyone who wants to carve out a living can save up for a beater car. Niggers and other drains on society can sit on their stoop all day instead of shitting on the metro seats in the same boxcar as people trying to get to work without catching AIDS."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>trainsgender\nProbably a real thing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWanting to have private trains means you want to have even more trains than the government would make. I don't see why that is an anti-train position. Private, Public, doesn't matter. I just like trains."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIf the problem is your country is filled with savages who would not being able to use trains correctly that is a problem with the country and not the trains themselves."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When\nAs soon as trains became a thing\n>why\nbecause Hamiltonians loved political patronage and would build a canal/road/traintrack a hundred miles off course if it went through their town"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>When did americans become anti-train. As soon as trains became a thing\nAmerica was pretty pro-train in the beginning. I'd even argue the long continent spanning stretches of track symbolized America.\n\nSomething had to have happened since that turned people against trains."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nyou didn't stipulate how they were political. Trains have been super political since their inception and it was largely because they were a massive laundering scheme and profiteering operation.\n\nwhile trains brought development they also offered a highway that was often exploited by whores, gamblers, thieves and murderers. It wasn't uncommon to murder somebody then hop on a train. When trains arrived in my area they cut down practically the entire forest for railroad ties and it still hasn't recovered hundreds of years later.\n\nThanks to cars people can go where they want, when they want"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nWell like I said, we can't just tear up all of this infrastructure overnight. Best to just let it rot away and keep the retards on their side of town until we can reorganize it."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Anything involving the state is political"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\ncars have significant barriers to entry, both in terms of price and the skills needed to operate them, all while making the planet uninhabitable through fuel emissions"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\ncars were cheap as fuck, you could get a brand new hot rod pretty much whenever you wanted by the 50's"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKys trainy"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKys /n/igger invader"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommietrak is an abomination that steals money from American taxpayers and needs to be outlawed. Kys"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek that gif"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>>17\n>>18\nYou're all proving his point"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntrains\n>can literally only travel on train tracks\n>can't even control where they go, just back and fourth\n>need like 5 people just to operate one locomotive\n>heavy, impractical\n>has to run on a schedule\n>climate control is set by the operators to maximize profits\ncars\n>need only one driver\n>can literally go anywhere with one\n>not run on a schedule\n>you can adjust the climate control to suit your personal needs and climate conditions"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThat doesn't relate to his question"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nlets be honest with ourselves, OP didn't actually want an answer to his question, it was a rhetorical question, he just wanted to use them as a springboard for his own personal soap box like half the threads on this shithole of a website."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\nA very stereotypical american thing to say."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nYou do realize a gas powered lawnmower or weed wacker produces just as much carbon emissions as a car right?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrains have always been politicized but in very different ways. The meme of the fat cigar smoking robber baron in a top hat comes from Gilded Age American rail moguls. That had a long residual effect which is why few people cared when railroads were gutted by newer versions of capitalism like the auto and airline companies. Now there’s an opposite meme among certain people in the U.S. Trains, or more specifically passenger trains, are a Bolshevik Revolution on wheels, full of smelly minorities, wasting public money, while they ignore that a new generation of robber barons holds a monopoly on freight rail, a vital part of the capitalist economy. Around the world, countries across the ideological spectrum are building high speed passenger rail but only in America does so much get projected onto value neutral hunks of metal."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\nEvery normal city has wealthy parts near the center, and poor areas on the periphery. Effectively it's the problem of America having abnormal cities."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not politicization.\nThe modern American can only understand the world in terms of quasi-religious tribal alignments. Whenever a new topic arises, there's a moment of interim confusion before the tribes adopt positions on it and resume squabbling."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2020 when you all decided to get mad about it in reddit."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nthis seems like a pretty silly argument"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nnot when you consider the fact that the people so against automobiles on the basis of pollution are the exact same people who hire mexican slave labor to landscape their property 4 hours a day for 3 days a week"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n\nInstead of being a land of warring Indian tribes, America will soon degenerate into a nation of warring Mutt tribes."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>trains are LE BAD\n>let's be like third world countries and transport everything by truck!\nYou subhumans are arguing about passanger rail, when the true importance of a good railroad network lies in its ability to transportst freight, goods, ammunition, armies. Every country that has ever mattered has sought to build up, modernize and maintain its railroad network."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\n>need only one driver\n>I can do work on the train without having to worry about driving\n>can literally go anywhere with one\n>Anywhere there is parking\n>not run on a schedule\n>But heavily subject to traffic conditions"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nYeah bro I'm sure you'll need those railroads in the coming continent-wide land war against Juan Gonzalez and his gun made out of PVC tubes."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nI'm against cars on the basis of pollution, and live in an urban area where I get around by train or on foot.\nIf I had the kind of large property which I could conceivably hire people to landscape, I'd live in a suburb or a rural area, where public transit would probably be either poor or outright non-existent.."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nSo having a train to move troops fast just doesn't matter huh?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe liberals who seem to be more train now have FDR to blame for the lack of trains.\n\nHe had the railroads being forced to work for free in WW2.\n\nThat plus GM bribing the trolley companies to dissolve killed rail travel in the US.\n\nI don't know if automobile carrying trains could have even saved the railroads."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>26\n>Now there’s an opposite meme among certain people in the U.S. Trains, or more specifically passenger trains, are a Bolshevik Revolution on wheels, full of smelly minorities, wasting public money, while they ignore that a new generation of robber barons holds a monopoly on freight rail, a vital part of the capitalist economy.\nRecent \"accidents\" aside, I believe the U.S. has one of the most developed freight rail industries in the world, if not the most developed, and we move a significantly greater percentage of goods by freight rail than Europe, Japan and China."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nthe us only moves more freight by rail than other countries because its geography favours it\nthe railroads themselves are outdated and being run into the ground, not to mention there’s nothing new about recent accidents"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>the railroads themselves are outdated and being run into the ground\nI get that part. But the trains being essentially nationalized during WWII, wouldn't have that been for moving war materiel? Our passenger trains suck ass, but where do you people live? I've lived in small towns / semi-rural areas along one of those lines and there were huge Union Pacific trains going by hauling every kinda conceivable thing multiple times per day every day and every night.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/WI8pNnmDzdE [Embed]"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>35\nYou can't argue. You just speak in memes like a teenage shitskin from /int/."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nI wish Conrail came back"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's been politicized since Reagan unironically"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>44\nWait no not Reagan, Bush Sr. For once Reagan isn't to blame for modern American retardation.\nWhile railroads have almost always been politicized since their inception (as another anon pointed out, the fat cat stereotype came from railroad barons) the recent \"(passanger) trains are communism\" came from Bush Sr. gutting Amtrak trying to force the old railroads who dumped their passanger services onto amtrak, to take them back. Not many people realize this but Richard Nixon (the famous commie hater) was the one who created amtrak in the first place (and Ford created Conrail, the United States 3rd time flirting with nationalized railroads [this time for freight]). On top of that, Bush began the push to get rid of Conrail by encouraging the recently merged Norfolk Southern Railroad and CSX Railroad to buy it up (they both would eventually split it roughly down the middle)."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\nThe railroad industry was nationalized during WWI, but left private in World War II. The demands of war traffic and decreased access to personnel and materiel meant that the system was run into the ground, a sacrifice which the government rewarded by directly funding every other mode of transportation while not changing the regulatory structure that had been crippling them for decades."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>39\n>if not the most developed\nThe AAR simply defined railroad productivity as \"length of trains\" which isn't really a technological innovation. The lack of electrification by itself keeps the American railroad industry from being one of the most developed. Even India, whose infrastructure performance is generally nothing worth writing about, has massively electrified their network."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>while not changing the regulatory structure that had been crippling them for decades.\nNot only that, almost all the taxes the railroads had to pay to that same regulatory committee went directly into the interstate highway act"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nTo be fair, the Pennsylvania Railroad did try electrifying most of its network, even doing expansions in spite of the ongoing Great Depression, but once revenue starting drying up (as well as the US joining WW2) these efforts halted. It's almost telling how a majority of the electrified tracks in the United States are from the Pennsylvania"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>12\nWhy is your solution to let everything rot so as to accommodate the lowest common denominator?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>11\nHow are cars and highways also not applicable to everything you said. You can shoot someone and then just drive away even now. The train isn't magic where you are suddenly untraceable. Obviously the issue was back then that conductive nation wide searches was difficult but the only thing that has changed in that regard is the investigative police got better.\n\nPaving roads takes a lot more resources that railway ties. What about the mountains that were quarried for gravel?\n\nYou even used the term \"highway\" when talking about trains as a negative as the trains acted as a highway."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>11\n>massive laundering scheme\nmeds."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrain killed the wild west\nTrain killed cowboys\nKill trains"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrains are for retards and need to be outlawed"}, {"id": 55, "content": "Cars, specially new cars keep you poor."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>10\n>general motors"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>force people to pay taxes\n>threaten them with physical consequences for not paying\n>use the money to fund projects\n>Hey man, why you gotta get all political about muh projects?\n>many such cases"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>20\nWhat's his point? That we should allow our money to be expropriated, wasted on foolishness, and just shut up about it?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">Have clean tap water.\n>Use bottled water instead\n>Both come from the same source\n>Bottle water is literally tap water with extra flavour"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThe bottled water I buy is spring water."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>28\nIT IS"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause there might be heckin SCARY niggerinos on the train :( I don't wanna get into a c-c-c-CONFRONTATION <:O"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>Americans will screech and shit themselves about them needing to be torn up"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>57\nyou've just pushed the issue up the chain. why do americans have an autistic meltdown about paying taxes? their taxes aren't even particularly high."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n> why do americans have an autistic meltdown about paying taxes? their taxes aren't even particularly high.\nnta, but people believe the main reason Americans have relatively low taxes is specifically because of the autistic meltdowns. People in American politics LOVE playing the Slippery slope card \"if we increase taxes on anything even a little bit, taxes might eventually get too high!\""}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish the Altoona works were still around"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why do dictators tend to start stupid wars after being in power for some years?\nis it because they grow tired of tax policy, agriculture subsidies, financial regulation, interest rates etc?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "zoglensky finna globohomo, shouganai"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think it's more like \"Bonapartism.\" There's a revolution and then that is eventually overturned, and when the various classes are too internally divided and too weak to rule, in steps a strongman who stabilizes the situation while also drawing on what remains of the institutions from the collapsed revolutionary regime to do it (the military, police, elements of the bureaucracy etc.). He builds some infrastructure, pretties up the capital city, and does improve things for ordinary people a bit but doesn't resolve the underlying conflict that he stepped into stabilize, and problems start to build back up again, and then he bumbles into wars to externalize the internal contradictions and there's a big disaster and the whole thing collapses.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/wXlOoJUUweQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they can. What’s the point of having absolute power if you can’t go on a rampage with it?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHistorically dictators like to start wars right away in order to shore up their own power by forcing everyone in the country to either be Team Dictator or Team Evil Enemy. There's a lot less to gain from a war 10+ years down the line in terms of personal power for the dictator, so usually those wars are fought for other reasons."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Russia is similar to many countries in the world in that there is a billionaire class and the size of the billionaire class has increased dramatically in the last twenty years. The number of billionaires has increased from several people to over 100 people over just the first decade of the 2000s. This is the core of the coalition that Putin is holding together. This billionaire class has been comfortable with this particular regime, because the biggest owners of private property and their wealth were seen as illegitimate by the population. Putin provided them with a certain legitimacy and defended them from society. In that sense, the situation is similar to Karl Marx’s description of Bonapartism. The regime of Louis Bonaparte was an authoritarian regime, as we would call it today, but compatible with the rule of the bourgeoisie because they required the strong state to survive, due to the antagonism of the working class. It was this extraordinary non-parliamentary dictatorship, and this is true of Russia as well.\n\n>With this framework, we can think of the billionaire class requiring the strong state, and Putin personally, to ideologically and organizationally protect them and ensure the conditions for twenty more years of the accumulation of capital. The billionaires and the biggest businessmen in Russia still enjoy a privileged position in decision making, and they receive many benefits and subsidies from the state."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>There is a very cozy relationship between the political elites and the economic elites, but at the same time, beginning in 2014, this situation gradually began to change. The heightened confrontation with the West is not beneficial to the billionaires, primarily because they are part of a transnational capitalist class rather than just the domestic bourgeoisie. This means they require dense integration into the global economy, but this political and geopolitical confrontation prevents this integration. It is primarily expressed in their inability to borrow money on global financial markets; all the while, Russian business is heavily dependent, in fact, on borrowing money abroad to function.\n\n>The level of corporate debt continuously increased up until 2014, followed by a decrease. That means that the Russian capitalist class had to reorient itself into a more domestically oriented regime of accumulation, and this was very painful for them. It threatens their positions, and this is the reason for the potential tension at the top, among the elites in the ruling-class coalition. There is potential for a growing contradiction between the oligarchs and the national security establishment, which is interested in expanding its influence by “securitizing” everything against Western influence: the national culture, the national economy, and so forth. The more the national security establishment does this, the more influence it has.\n\n>At the same time, this tension between the transnational oligarchic class and the national security establishment is not expressed politically, because the former has no independent means of expressing its political disagreement or directly influencing politics. It’s a Bonapartist regime where the bourgeoisie is disempowered and the state acts in the interest of the billionaires.\nhttps://jacobin.com/2022/02/russia-navalny-billionaires-west-democracy-repression"}, {"id": 8, "content": "they don't. I mean it's not a general tendency, dictators are either expansionist or they aren't, they don't suddenly radically reorient policy after 20 years in power.\nIf you mean the Ukraine conflict in particular, its a matter of Russia's traditional sphere of influence bounding up against NATO expansion. Leading to wars, first proxy then direct."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>jacobin\nMarxist faggots should stop doing mental gymnastics\nEverybody with IQ over a hundred knows Jewtin needs this war to ensure his regime survival."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nPutin seemed in alot stronger position before the war. Now he has nascent warlords popping up around every corner."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNo he doesn't. Wars create their own logic and I doubt he could give up now but in Feb 2022 he didn't have to land grab."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nHe was in a much stronger position and had a strong leverage over Ukraine and the west. Biden showed weakness and that encoraged Jewtin into invading. But the Ukrainian resistance was not taken into account. The war was lost by early march 2022. His best bet is keeping as much occupied territory as long as possible to get into negotiations with something.\n>>11\nThe landgrab was a cope move. It happened once the ukr army expelled the ru army from Kharkiv and basically ruined any hope for taking the Donbass"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>forcing everyone in the country to either be Team Dictator or Team Evil Enemy.\nYes, but these \"wars\" are usually against internal enemies. Dictators build support internally by singleing out \"enemies of the people\" and waging an internal war against them. Usually the \"enemies of the people\" are some powerful elite group like landowners, the media, international corporations, the rich, etc.\n\nWhen they run out of powerful enemies they go after the little people... dissidents, the opposition, small independent media, etc.\n\nFinally, when they've ran out of internal enemies, they start to seek them abroad. It is a way of shoring up support from the ignorant masses and keeping them in \"five minutes of hate\" mode. And it works as long as you are not foolish enough to pick a war that you can't win, which is what Monke has done here."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Wars like these are typically fought because the alternative is their country losing a lot of power, which inevitably means the dictator getting stabbed in the back and replaced.\n\nWhether Putin wins or loses. Fighting Ukraine has extended his political lifespan.\n\nWhy didn’t he just retire with his massive wealth and stop being leader?\n\nMen like Putin simply do not retire unless they die or age into disability.\n\nSame with any other dictator or huge businessmen like Rupert Murdoch. There’s a psychological element that overrules the standard human desire to relax and let others take over when they get old."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Men like Putin simply do not retire unless they die or age into disability.\nThat's because being a dictator doesn't allow for retirement, it's a one-way ticket, either you stay in power or someone coups you or imprisons you for the shit you did."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPolitical manuve to get the common man to stop thinking about his abysmal living conditions."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>Why didn’t he just retire with his massive wealth and stop being leader?\nThe most plausible reason it seems to me is because Russian politics is dangerous and he's worried he'll get killed. I doubt he's in much risk of that but did you see that girl blew up that Telegram guy in some bar & grill? I wonder how many officers have been fragged in this war too."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nBecause he probably assumed it would go like Georgia or the first invasion of Ukraine. He was surrounded by yes-men and his generals and intel people who were more interested in telling him what he wanted to hear lest they get window’d."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are southern Europeans so hostile towards northern Europeans? Even since ancient times when Romans enslaved peaceful Germanics."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>peaceful\n>germanics\nlmfao"}, {"id": 3, "content": "just die."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI only hate angloids, i really like Germany and wish Hitler won"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnvy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAlso\n>captcha"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJealousy mostly"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It's that simple.\n\nजपाकुसुम संकाशं काश्यपेयं महदद्युतिम् I\nतमोरिंसर्वपापघ्नं प्रणतोSस्मि दिवाकरम् II १ II\n>The one who is red in colour like that of the hibiscus flower, who is born in the Kashyapa lineage, O the brightest one.\nThe remover of darkness, the destroyer of sins, Lord Daymaker, I prostrate to you"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this Hindu theology?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was the depression of 1921 under Warren Harding so short and without long standing consequences compared to the depression of 1929 under Herbert Hoover? Were they just fundamentaly Different to begin with, or was the government response and management the true defining factor?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't ask such a retarded question."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nFuck you too niggroid"}, {"id": 4, "content": "One was deflation the other was inflation caused by banks being allowed to illegally take their holdings and buy their own stocks in Jew York"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWouldn't the '21 be just a hiccup after war that's mostly visible on statistics and short stock market rearrangement rather than something than something bigger?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYup, 1921 was caused by WW1 demobilization, it was very different from the Great Depression."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnce the bubble of rampant speculation fueled by the federal reserves rock bottom interest rates popped, it had a ripple effect that cooled capital investment for nearly a decade because nobody wanted to put their money in a bank just to lose it in a bank run."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don’t believe in Christianity and I don’t find Christian theology appealing. The Trinity doesn’t make sense (which is why every sects interprets it differently), the concept of “original sin” is downright cruel and morally equivalent to the Hindu concept of being punished for previous lives. Jesus’ life is shrouded in mystery, and there is no proof he was more than a Messianic Jewish preacher. This also follows from the fact that it was Paul who opened up Christianity to Gentiles, not Jesus."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>morally equivalent to the Hindu concept of being punished for previous lives.\nActually that's just because it's reciprocation for your past sins but a Finite punishment"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>which is why every sects interprets it differently\n\nRead a book"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhich makes zero sense.\n>>3\n>>unknown\n>Christcucks kvetching"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsk me how I know you know nothing about Christianity"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Which makes zero sense\nBeing punished finitely for finite sins after you die doesn't make sense?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBecause you’re not a fucking dalit because you were a cruel person in your previous life, you’re a dalit because you were born into it. And there is no life after death."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk, you could've posted your low tier /pol/ bait in any of the 139 theological threads currently active on this board instead of making a new thread, retard."}, {"id": 9, "content": "it's getting to the point where it's necessary for this board to get a makeover or something\nit's fucking ridiculous at this point kek"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're not a viking you're an incel"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This also follows from the fact that it was Paul who opened up Christianity to Gentiles, not Jesus.\nTechnically not true. Here's Jesus explaining how jews are all going to hell and it will be gentiles who sit down with him at the table of the kingdom instead."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThe past few days I have been intentionally posting that Genesis 38:8 thing to get the christcucks to defend sleeping with their sisters in law. It's a good tactic to find retarded bible verses and then spam them so christcucks are forced to defend them."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nShe's a widow. Also, this is Old Testament. A covenant specifically made with the ancient Israelites. It has nothing to do with you if you aren't an ancient Israelite."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't ask, don't care."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nYour god says to go cuckold your dead brother no matter how you spin it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThat mean you can't really be cucked if you're dead. It's just your brother taking care of your widow."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecome a norse pagan timmy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What’s the deal with bathhouses?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Every important political decision probably happened there."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Did you make both of these threads?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "It's a well known gay hookup spot for men who wish to keep their homosexuality a secret to avoid societal shame. Thankfully, as western society has grown more atheistic, it's become more accepting of homosexuality so now gay men can be more open about themselves."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSometimes a nigga wants to bathe, take a swim, or enjoy a sauna."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nto make sure no one's wearing a wire, though it fell out of favor in the digital age, to maintain heterosexuality they typically worked out at the gym or played squash beforehand, then it became bro gym shower talk"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCloseted homosexuality. Same with saunas"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA way to have geh secks before all them geh apps"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnasty. Only a few of them are smoking hot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ntechnically, they're all hot hahahaha"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nThey're hot because the bathhouse is hot. That's what I meant. I swear I'm not gay."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBath houses are the most arbitrary measure of a great society. All the most culturally rich civilisations introduced them- Romans, Turks, Japs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do we know of Neolithic cultures? Considering Chinese have pretty intricate pottery from this time, and we've found complex settlements in Anatolia. Would we be right to assume \"civilizations\" were far more advanced in the East and Near East compared to Europe? What are the most interesting lost civilizations of this era we only have some evidence of?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did historical cultures practice public urination and defacation? How did they remain clean?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "piss/shit in the river/a pot and wash their ass with water"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy not"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did historical cultures practice public urination and defacation?\nNobody does this\nStop projecting your gay fantasies"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "so what would have happened if the vikings stayed in america?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nniggers"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHyperborean american boogaloo."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThey would have died of starvation and disease. Maybe a couple end up breeding with the locals. May pass some European diseases earlier."}, {"id": 5, "content": "They build a few mudhuts here and there, maybe a few wooden idols, then try to raid the natives as stealing is the only way the vikang knows how to survive, and as a result they get kicked out of the continent by force."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm sure a few stayed anon, but they were killed when vulnerable since the natives along the Canadian coast all the way to Virginia were full of absolute cut throat groups that would raid and kill not only whitey but each other on a dime. Maybe there's some dna evidence left but we'll never be able to do a good study with how modern native rights groups absolutely hate archaeology and will simply veto and strike down any real study while hoarding all relics past 1960 that are found and reported"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>They would have died of starvation and disease.\nIf they can survive in Iceland they can survive american wilderness. IIRC natives killed the colonists."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Wakanda for white people"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe'd be 0th world"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropean diseases spread at a slower rate, maybe iron weaponry finds its way down to Mesoamerica through trade routes, could have been an interesting timeline, it would make the natives better prepared to meet the Euros."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Balkanize the entirety of America hard\n>Make NY, LA, Miami and SF independent city states\n>Reunite the south\n>Make deseret + cascadia happen\n>Texas annexes most of the great Plains + Colorado\n>Divide the the areas from New England to Wisconsin into new states fitting geographic boundaries\n\nThe hard truth Americans need to face is that Cali has absolutely no business being given it's\n>separated by hundreds of miles of desert, plains and mountains from anywhere important\n>practically pays out welfare to most other states\n>is universally hated for its shit political decisions and leftist retardation\nIt's not even connected to the same gas/oil distribution network as the rest of the country. Civil war now, civil war tomorrow, civil war forever."}, {"id": 2, "content": "You forgot the most important part.\n>deport all non-whites"}, {"id": 3, "content": "/pol/tranny thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeird larp"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Empiricists teach that seeing is believing.\nJesus teaches us to believe without seeing.\n\nErgo, British Empiricism is diametrically opposed to Christianity.\n\nChristianity is rationalist, not empiricist.\n\nWhen Saint Paul tells us to prove the truths of Christianity, he does not mean for us to offer empirical proofs, but to prove by way of rational argument."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The external world (God's Work) is real but not really, well sort of, I mean maybe, because God is good\n\nThis is Descartes\nAll modern philosophy oposes Christianity in a way. I mean, look what it gave us: pantheism, deism and atheism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's true that ancient philosophy -- Plato and Aristotle -- are much more in line with Christianity."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Plato and Aristotle -- are much more in line with Christianity\nPlato was more inline with Hinduism than anything. Both are henotheistic systems."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">I can make shit up because I think it's true, but it's not because I think it's true I KNOW it's true, I just haven't found the evidence to support it yet, trust the science\nIs continental positivism satanic?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNot so. Timaeus and Parmenides are very much in tune with the idea of a cosmic, ineffable God (the latter) and a Creator (the former)."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWRONG. Euthyphro dilemma makes Christianity implausible as a moral system because it is divine command theory."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>proof is satanic\nNo wonder you faggots never provide it then"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nGoodness is God's nature. There is no ultimate distinction between the Good and God. God cannot do what is beyond his nature -- what is beyond the definition of God."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>scientific evidence is literally satanism\nAbsolute state."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t.retard\nanother “REEEEEEEEEE ANGLOS” mental gymnastics thread."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nWell that is a cop out answer. The Abrahamic God is by definition divine command theory."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAnd his commands emanate from his nature, which is Good."}, {"id": 14, "content": "while we're at it, why does every modern philosopher seethes at Descartes' idea of consciousness? I've seen and read people nitpicking on \"Cogito [first person]\" using semantics so much you could write a book the length of the Bible with the linguistic copes"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nGod is not an empirical entity. He is spirit."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nDescartes' idea of the first-person cogito is pretty much the soul of Christianity described."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nWell the discussion was the relationship between Plato and Christianity and Plato would not consider his nature good. You can infer Plato would be pro-abortion (Republic Book 6) so he would take issue with the pro-life nature of the Bible. He was also for gay relationships in many dialogues (Lysis is the obvious one where he tries to reconcike two young men together) so he would also take issue with that. As for whether God's commands are divine command theory, the story of Abraham and Isaac LITERALLY states that God's word is what is law and seeing as how he arbitrarily changed his command, the Socrates of the Euthyphro dialogue would take issue with that whether you personally think the command is justified or not. The fact that he would give two differing commands to Abraham shows it is distinctly God;s arbitrary opinon which is law."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nbecause from his standpoint retardation ensues, like having to prove that the world exists\nthere are obviously more and deeper reasons\n\n>>16\nwhat?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\n>>6\nI was thinking recently that Socrates might be a bit in line with Buddha if you really think about it. In the Phaedo, his metaphor of the coat maker who makes many coats before dying is supposed to represent the soul living many lives through reincarnation. This itself sort of implies the soul can be destroyed which is very much like the easterners believe with the five psycho-physical aggregates and how they cease to exist once Nirvana is achieved."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nGod's nature is Good. Therefore, God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, then staying the order, was Good. In other words, testing Abraham's faith was good."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWell, you see the actual Socrates would disagree with that because God objectively gave two differing commands which is something he would take issue with. YOU may think that story is justified but my point is the actual Socrates would not."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nBecause the actual Socrates was not as familiar with God as later generations have been."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIf God gave an order to a man that was intentionally false and under the auspices of knowledge which the man was not keen on (ie that God actually didn't want him to kill the kid) then you could reason that not only would Socrates call that divine command theory but it is outright spreading metaphysical falsehood. If someone gives two contrary opinins as law then that law is not grounded in logic."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThere is no contradiction. The point was to test Abraham's faith, to ensure his worthiness to be the father of so many nations.\nThe commands are just incidental to the main point of testing faith."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christianity is rationalist\nBiblicist*. Man's reason is secondary to God's word. Follow rationalism to its logical conclusion and you end up with Spinoza's god"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou just don't understand empiricism. It doesn't hold that you can't believe anything on faith or report."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIt sure does hold that. That's why it's empiricism."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWhile the man in the OP doubted many, many parts of the Bible and many ideas which the catholics teach he was not an atheist and neither is his philosophy."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDunno"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It seems early Christians did not venerate icons, nor did they pray to saints. How would the Catholic or Orthodox respond to this?\nhttps://youtu.be/kh65VvPhJcY [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/_ytYX4dXpRo [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Iconography developed and was consistent with theology. Christians have always prayed to saints and venerated martyrs (and their relics), this is just false."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDid you watch the first video? He makes a compelling case that they didn't"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes they did"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is the hiroyuki-approved general for meta discussion about the board."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMods are gay niggers who don’t do shit."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Vote, we need to finally settle the religion debate issue.\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/eJnvv83rEnv"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nnice malware there buddy"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYeah, I want to see all the religion threads gone."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nOnly threads about topics I like (history post 1815, cute girls) should be allowed."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCould you post the original version?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nfor posterity hehe"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>>1 (OP)\nYeah this would get religion off of /pol/, /his/ AND /x/"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNo. Cause I find men hot."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would like to see more religion threads\n>>3\nI ain’t clicking that shit heathen"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\n>>9\n>>11\njust make a board called\n&Humanities"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nThe overwhelming majority of people want a separate religion board. This poll proves it."}, {"id": 14, "content": "The only threads worth anything here are Christian ones. And I'm not even a Christian. It's at least interesting to debate it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nRepent sodomite"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nI specifically requested more religion threads and refuse to participate in your poll as it’s against my religion"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nYou worship a semite."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>>10\nI support you. It’s OK to be gay. Just dont get aids or have weird leather orgies"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">bring innocent soul into the world just so you have purpose in life and something to come home to after work\n> except child to be thankful to you?\n> child can't even suicide because it will make parents sad\n\nif anything parents should be thankful to their child not the other way around, the fact that you brought a person into this living hell just so you can fill your empty life is crime enough"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you don't believe you chose to come here what makes you think you'll get any choices after you die?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLife is weird"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is this whole asking saints to do thing always about Christians? hassidic jews basically to the exact same thing they just call it different. they go to the graves of the zadiks and ask them to pray for them about their health etc. but no one seems to bash them for it but muh christian"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Okay. Thanks for the heads up. We'll treat you like jews and kill you on the day of the rope too."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nExcuse me?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPractically all religions do it more because they carry elements of animism and ancestor worship. Even Buddhists that still retain a lot of the folk stuff, like Japan and Thailand."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCause protestants suck Jewish cock and hate Catholics so they'll back Jews yo even if they are doing the exact same bad thing as Catholics. If Zionism was a Catholic movement and state evangelicals would suddenly be the biggest anti Zionists and anti colonialists on the planet."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nYou aren't doing shit, dork."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Practically all religions do\nMuslims too?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYes\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sufi_saints"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\noh didnt know, all i know is salafi/wahhabism positions on it"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligious people worship the dead and want to go to the afterlife"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It's fucking over for Trumancels, Dewey will win next election easily. There is no way Truman is going to serve a second term."}, {"id": 2, "content": "wow /his/ humor is so cringe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine an alternate history where that jawline was in charge of America\n*cringe*"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was smug"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw you realize Homo sapiens sapiens is the sub-species that stems from Homo sapiens, the scientific name for humans"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is it with Anglosphere countries (except Ireland) and (at least very nearly) two-party systems?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA legacy of parliamentary aristocracy were only rich people get to seat in legislatures and therefore differ in a very small amount of issues compared to a more wide demographic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStability results in a two party system."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIreland is not part of the Anglosphere stupid cunt"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat language do they speak in Ireland?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDidn't realise half of Africa is French"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWell now you know"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIreland is often considered part of the anglosphere.\n>>1 (OP)\nCanada has 3 competitive federal parties, and sometimes 3-4 competitive provincial parties. The NDP struggles to get over the finish line in any meaningful way though.\nIt depends in part on a countries' electoral system. There is fear about splitting the vote etc."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs the UK really a two party system? The LibDems used to be in government until WW2, and they are still a fairly competitive third party whose support can swing an election."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Pretending UK politics isn't Labor vs. Tories with a smattering of minors"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI'm not British, that's why I'm asking"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nYes, retard. That’s what the word francophone refers to."}, {"id": 13, "content": "america is the worst with its duopoly. At least in the uk you have third parties that can be played as spoilers or influence the government."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nFrench=/=Francosphere, you stupid Mick."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Politics is like war, eventually differences will be set aside and the conflict will boil down to the big two opposing forces"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople who think America/Britain have only \"two parties\" really have no idea how party politics actually work. There are dosens of political parties in America and other Anglo countries, but generally only 2 electoral tickets. For example, a lot of politicians running as Republicans are likely also members of the Libertarian party (or at the very least the last remaining sane Republicans not riding Trumps cock)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "/pol/ required viewing"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I saw the whole series long before I discovered 4chan.\n\nLooking back it's really not that good. It's okay, but not great."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nzoomer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is that"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has blind racial loyalty been a consequence of the civil rights activist movement, or does it have some other sociological cause?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Tribalism is natural (natural≠correct) human behaviour"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAl Sharpton used to be one big ass nigga"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Redpill me on White Army vs Red Army.\nI want to know everything.\nNo rootless cosmopolitans plz thx."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRurals vs Urbans"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's far deeper than that though. Red Army was a bolshevik insurrectionist force hyping the common man up that struck at the exact right moment transitioning Russia into a completely different state. I believe this civil war is important to study as something similar is happening globally."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommunists vs everyone else (not anarchists tho they were their own thing)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA feudal shithole that wasted its troops and public good will on a losing war and a gang of retards using pent up anger against the tsar to overthrow him and implement their own brutal regime in turn"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was no \"white army\". Just a collection of monarchists and other loosely allied factions that spent more time arguing with eachother than actually killing communists."}, {"id": 7, "content": "One of the biggest reasons the white army failed was because they never really bothered to actually govern the territory they controlled. To them they were just an army and the governance was the job of the bureaucrats and whatnot. As a result areas they controlled were often operating under military law or downright anarchy. The reds saw themselves as the new government of Russia, and the commanders were more often than not the same people responsible for civil administration. As a result, everywhere they went changes were implemented. No matter how effective or downright bad those changes were, the mass of lower class people that lived in Russia saw the Reds as agents of change and thereby the Whites as the force of stagnation and the harsh conditions they worked under."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHow does the current regime lose control of so many people though? To the tune of 5.5 million reds vs 1.5 million whites? Right in the middle of a global conflict?\nI foresee similar futures for certain states."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Knowing the aftermath of the conflict, who would /his/ support and why?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nTrue believer revolutionaries are rarely more than a small minority in their movements. The vast majority are revolutionaries of circumstance and grifters who hope to displace the old nomenklatura/bureaucrats and replace them with themselves not because of any sincere ideological belief but because they are looking out for themselves.\n\nThink of revolutionary movements as a swirling mass of tiny pebbles of metal magnetized by a strong core of magnetic material rather than a gigantic unified wave."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nGive me an example where the revolutionaries aren't bandwagon victims of circumstance."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>6\ndogshit posts\n\"White disorganization\" was basically non-existant during the actual main fighting of the Civil War, besides the obvious geographical issues preventing proper coordination between the east, the south, and the north. The main White problem was that all the non-Whites (~98% of the country) were at best ambivalent or at worst actively hostile towards them. Almost immediately after White rule came to Siberia with the Kolchak coup, the \"moderate center\" SRs started plotting active resistance while still being avowed anti-Bolsheviks. The Whites and their Cossack companions also wasted no time in ruthlessly cracking down on anything to the left of the Kadets. As a result the actual White army wound up a very firmly united, well coordinated band of officers alongside absolute bottom of the barrel, horribly undersupplied conscripts with nonexistant morale, ruling over a country that almost entirely disliked them. In such a situation, fighting between proper Whites was non-existant, and fighting between proper Whites and psuedo-White bandits of the Semyonov variety was still incredibly rare"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo, I just finished four books on the Russian Civil War. One on Kolchak's regime and the war from Siberia. A book on the Japanese intervention. And a two book collection on what was going on with Deinikin and Wrangel in the South Russia. I have yet to read a complete work and what was going on in the North but did start a work on the British intervention which I don't plan on picking up again at the very moment.\n\nIt's complicated, especially considering the Whites and Reds weren't the only factions (You also have the Greens and Separatists such as the Caucasian Republics and the Ukrainians) as fuck (I might go into better detail later) and probably is best to analyze the two regions separately.\n\nA lot of people think of the Whites as Monarchists but the leaders really weren't nor were the southern Cossacks, at the very least, who the Volunteer Army of the South relied on. There were a lot of individual soldiers and officers with monarchial sympathies but the leaders tried to distance themselves from that as a result of how it would look to both their domestic allies (such as the peasants, the anti-Bolshevik left, the Cossacks, etc.) and their foreign allies. The Allied interventions really screwed over the Russians in the South, particularly. It's important to note that original Allied interest revolved around once again opening up a new Eastern Front against Germany. The status of how the White Russians felt about the Germans varied. You had some in the South who had to work with the Germans for arms and as a result of the puppet regimes they set up (before the collapse) who were tarnished in the eyes of strict anti-Germans such as Denikin and his Volunteer Army. The French, in particular, were complete faggots while the British were more generous. The French did not want to fight and even restrained White Units during their brief Odessa which they pulled out from almost immediately\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Russia_intervention"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>French acting like faggots\nShocking.\nGo on as much as you want, I want to read as much about the Russian civil war as possible, and feel free to recommend reading material."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nOne of the major issues of the day was Land Reform which the Whites were hesitant to make promises (due in part to feelings about private property and in part to be apolitical depending on the time and the character). The Bolsheviks were able to make vast promises, in contrast, which enticed Peasants. The Peasants who disliked the Bolsheviks also turned into the Green faction. The Peasants of the South and the Peasants of Siberia were quite different though, with the latter being more well-off and less inclined to the Bolsheviks.\n\nHowever, a major problem in the South was that the Cossacks and the Russian peasants who lived on Cossack lands hated one another and those particular peasants were immensely pro-Bolshevik as a result in contrast to the Cossacks.\n\nA major problem of the whites was an inability to coordinate their attacks from different regions but it was hard enough just to trade information between Kolchak and Denikin and one also has to take into account that Denikin's situation (where he was more so surrounded by vulnerable fronts in contrast to Kolchak who really only had to worry about a much broader but single direction to the West.) There was one instance where a force tried to assault Petrograd from Estonia which surprised everyone and brought about a heap of success as a result but a broader strategic plan between different White factions was impossible.\n\nSpeaking back to the intervention and the lack of ground troops providing mass assistance, this time in the East, a lot of the Western Powers cared more about extraditing the Czechoslovak Legion (who rapidly came to odds with the Kolchak regime) after the need to reopen a front against Germany became irrelevant. The Japanese, who supplied the most forces, were trying to spread their economic influence but were wary to act without American cooperation due to fears of how things would look in America and Britain. The Japanese intervention was also unpopular domestically."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nWell, in that case let me recommend Peter Kenez's two volume work on the war in South Russia (Red Attack, White Resistance & Red Advance, White Defeat) and Jonathan Smele's Civil War in Siberia - The Anti-Bolshevik Government of Admiral Kolchak to give a main overview of the two anti-Bolshevik fronts in the South and in Siberia. Books on the foreign interventions seem to be most detailed in individual works such as The Polar Bear Expedition by James Nelson chronciling the American intervention (Wilson was never really on board intervening to begin with and the Americans didn't really commit to widespread support which makes it funny how in Commie propaganda, they're the main villains of the Russian Civil War trying to oppress the Russian nation.)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>>13\nWould it be accurate to say that trying to pull a white international brigades with all those foreign allies alienated a significant group who might have chosen the whites over the reds in a vacuum?"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Oh, and Kolchak also got fucked over because Semenov, who was entirely Japanese backed and ridiculously brutal and corrupt, was a massive asshole who prevented the flow of resources for his own gain in terms of influence and wealth. If Kolchak had a loyal subordinate commander in the East, things might have been different when he was forced into his Great Retreat but Semenov, despite promising to subordinate himself, never stopped being an asshole."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nWell, it helped the Bolsheviks to cast the war in a Patriotic sense but it wasn't until the Poles committed to a massive offensive in support of the Ukrainians under Petliura that I'd say the nation rallied around the Red Government but by then, the Civil War was practically finished anyways.\n\nI don't believe the foreign aid that Kolchak and Denikin received alienated the Russian populace to a massive extent, though.\n\nIf the presence of foreigners assisting the Whites inspired Bolshevik supporters to fight harder, I'd say it's because the Bolsheviks had a much more effective propaganda arm than the whites so they were able to rev up their supporters politically. Meanwhile, the Whites were struggling to not alienate those too far on the right (such as the monarchist officers) or those on the left (such as moderate democratic socialists who some believed needed to act as a civilian leadership)."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nFurthermore, I'd wager that your average person in the Civil War was far more concerned with local conflicts, ergo the peasants versus the landlords or the Cossacks versus the Peasants, etc., the need for Land Reform, the need for local representation, than they were concerned about high-minded issues like Russia's economic independence.\n\nThe economy was also totally fucked, by the way, in the White regimes. Inflation skyrocketed and there was a lot of quibbling over the usage of city treasuries."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nHave you read about the Hungarian situation happening roughly concurrently? That was a significantly different scenario (because nobody outside of a tiny clique really asked for the bolsheviks in particular rather than the socdems and they weren't defeated by the whites of Horthy either but rather collapsed under the romanian offense) but in their case one of their major turns for the worse was when they lost what little rural support they had going on (the revolution was extremely budapest-centric) because of their militant atheist rhetoric and most importantly their lack of immediate and radical land reform."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI've read a lot about Austria-Hungary, in general, but haven't been able to find a good book on what was going down with the Hungarian Soviet Republic. If you have a recommendation, I'd appreciate it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThe newest and arguably the most neutral work on the topic (it's still an extremely touchy topic nowadays so few have dared to really research it) is Hatos Pál's duology that came out like three years ago. The first volume is about the end of the war, the ensuing chaos, and the Aster Revolution. The second is about the bolshevik republic itself, the \"glorious 133 days\" as it used to be called back in the day. It probably hasn't been translated yet but I think it is likely to receive a translation. The other two guys I'd recommend are Romsics Ignác and Ablonczy Balázs, though again I haven't checked which works of theirs are translated. Ablonczy has written the definitive biography of Teleki Pál (not entirely related to the period but might interest you) and also the best monograph about the strange phenomenon that is turanism, I'm like 99% sure both received an English translation."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nI just checked on goodreads and it seems like the first volume is receiving a translation this december by Bloomsbury Academic as \"Hungary’s Collapse in the First World War: The Damned Republic\". I'd have translated it as the \"The Cursed Republic\" but \"The Damned Republic\" kinda works, too."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nIf it's a Binary Decision?\nKeep history the same. Lenin actually said it best in his letter to American workers. I'm paraphrasing but it was something like:\n\"Even if mistakes have been made in our revolution, the knowledge gained by our failures will be invaluable to future revolutionary efforts.\"\nIf nothing else, the experiments in Soviet states proved that the disease is not just imperialism, the disease is inside all of us. Harsh to admit but having cold hard historical data to back up that assumption is worth every drop of blood that was shed from Marx to Mao. Maybe Socialism can't be fixed, but whenever the next revolutionary political system arises, the one we haven't thought of yet, if it's done by people worth their salt they will know where the crumple zones in the human psyche is and know how to plan to mitigate individual weakness"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">God doesn’t exist"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just act as though God doesn't exist because I see no evidence of one. But yeah, it's a possibility.\n\nAn Abrahamic one though strains credibility imo tho."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don’t need proof to say God doesn’t exist wtf?? Are you stupid? I don’t believe it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>another christian bait thread"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nBased and atheist agnostic pilled."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Mooom the christrannys are changing tactics again"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>I don’t need proof to say God doesn’t exist wtf?? Are you stupid? I don’t believe it"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Just started reading the bible from the beginning again. Crazy how we are all descendens from Shem.."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou mean Seth. Some of us are descendants of Shem, some of Japheth, some of Ham."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">God real!\n>God no real!\nimagine wasting your mortal minutes on this bullshit"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI am of Shem I'm white. I thought arabs where of Ham"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>make up a framework of logic where all things need a creator to exist\n>make up a category of \"uncreated beings\" that don't need a creator to exist\n>unless you can prove to me within my framework that God isn't real, you're just being emotional"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhite is Japhethite"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>>9\n>>11\n>>13\n0 genetic evidence. you're literally the same as BHI niggers who think every minority descends from Israelites except whites."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>White is Japhethite\nSo youre saying im not of the same family line as the Lord?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThere's biblical evidence and it makes sense of genetic evidence."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nYou are a son of Adam, Seth and Noah, so you are of the same blood."}, {"id": 18, "content": "You're stealing their meme, state of christcucks. This thread probably wont even get to 50 posts, unlike the original thread. Why cant christcucks banter?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYeah sure but thats it....if i was a arab i would go down much further in line .....sucks to be white......"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>>19\nwtf so that means im not even a son of Abraham???????????????? since hes of shem"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nJapheth is the elder brother so whites have seniority"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>biblical evidence"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>the original thread\nWhich one?"}, {"id": 24, "content": "you deserve to fucking die."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nthat’s a hate crime"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hoteps, Ancient (North) Macedonians, descendants of gods/aliens and many more.\n\nWhat are your favorite pseudohistorical theories? How popular is pseudohistory in your country? What makes people drawn to these movements?\n\nHopefully we can have a nice chat about this subject which can be both funny and frightening."}, {"id": 2, "content": "There is a conspiracy thousands of years old dedicated to tricking us into thinking earth isn't flat. It was started by the Egyptians or something"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">How popular is pseudohistory in your country?\nThere's a conspiracy theory that Celtic/Norse settlers arrived in New Zealand prior to the Maori arriving and that the Maori subsequently wiped them out due to legends of a tribe of red-haired fairies in Maori folklore\n>What makes people drawn to these movements?\nSeething over successful Treaty of Waitangi claims mostly along with general crankery."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it just me or has the Macedonian Antiquization movement subsided a little bit? For a time, claiming the legacy of Alexander the Great was a state ideology, but now, from what I gather, the movement has lost official state support and very little appears to remain aside from Skopje's tacky new square."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nSo, butthurt whitebois basically?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAncient Greeks\n>And yet they show no such feeling in regard to Philip, although not only is he no Hellene, not only has he no kinship with Hellenes, but he is not even a barbarian from a country that one could acknowledge with credit. He is a pestilent Macedonian, from whose country it used not to be possible to buy even a slave of any value.\nModern \"Greeks\"\n>>4\nWE HECKIN LOVE ALEXANDER"}, {"id": 7, "content": "fyromians larping as ancient macedonian is no different from bulgarians larping as thracian/bulgar"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Wanting to be superior to others, alongside racial insecurity.\nThere is one here about our native hyperborea type myth, Ratanabá.\nPseudohistory is absurdly common here in south america."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is the Macedonian thing not real? Macedonians and Bulgarians are scythians, Greeks are niggers brought in by the Ottomans, the real Greeks were Albanian."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThat arch looks like a chinese knock off, they should tear it down"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the historical cause of such stark contrast in phenotype north and south of the Pyrenees?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nisnt it a result of the moorish rule in spain?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNah, even the Romans noted how dark the Iberians were, alluding to them being even darker than the Carthaginians who they made no note on their complexion but did for the Iberians"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n700 years of miscegenation does that to a mf\n>>3\n>t. Alberto Hamoud Santo de Al Andalus y Barbosa"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMass rape of Aryans, this is going to happen to the rest of Europe. I suggest you take a shotgun to your mouth and blow your head off to cope."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>The people of South-eastern England and of Caledonia were certainly tall, fair, and blue-eyed, with hair varying from yellow to red in hue; while, in South Wales, they had dark hair and complexions, resembling the Spaniards of that day.\nI mean im sure the nafri rape didnt help but they were already seen as darker than Romans (who were dark themselves) with some Roman literary works mentioning skin color being believed as referring to Iberians when they single a black person out\n>>5\nyikes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nop is a racebaiter from south america, he's been told times and times again that ancient iberians were swarthy basque, he knows already\n>>>/int/181119317"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Yikes\nIt be tru doehoweverhaps."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>>/int/181121392\n>>>/int/181121417\nIs the self admitted canadian of arab ancestry.\nThe apic just copied him"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nHoly cope."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nFail"}, {"id": 12, "content": "this board is garbage"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which Greek god is the least assholish?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHestia seems alright. Was she Roman or Greek? I forget."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis, she mostly just wants to be left the fuck alone"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHephaestus by far. The only times he was ever mean to other people it was due to his wife's infidelity."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Hades was pretty chill most of the time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYes, except kidnapping and raping a woman."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nShe a Etruscans"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nJust one? By Greek pantheon standards that's like really not that bad at all"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHephestus, Hermes and, funnily enough, Ares.\nThe biggest asshole is Poseidon, and it's not even close, though Artemis is downright the most trigger happy god with how easily she goes around killing people."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nBased Hestia."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nCompared to his brothers he was remarkably restrained"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nEh, compared to Zeus, he might as well be Chaste."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDionysus is pretty chill, he just wants to party and get hammered. You might wake up the next morning with a sore behind but that's pretty benign as far as Greek gods go.\n\n>>4\nExcept for that time he blew up Pompeii."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI'm pretty sure Dionysus was a bottom though man"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nHis forge was in Mt Etna in Sicily. I don't think he was ever blamed for every volcano eruption ever."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis one"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>Except for that time he blew up Pompeii.\nDovahhatty is not a documentary"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWhat is this Arab’s name again?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nt. Seething Gr*koid detected"}, {"id": 20, "content": "January | Zeus (first month, Romans named it after Janus)\nFebruary | Athena (Februa was an annual purification of the city of Rome, Athena is the god of the city of Athens)\nMarch | Ares (Mars)\nApril | Aphrodite\nMay | Maia (Mother of Hermes)\nJune | Hera (Juno)\nJuly | Apollo (Olympiad)\nAugust | Poseidon\nSeptember | Demeter (wheat harvest)\nOctober | Hephaestus\nNovember | Artemis (deer hunting season)\nDecember | Dionysus (festive season)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nAnd?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\n... a woman he immediately took responsibility for, tended to, and gave her everything she wanted.\nsounds more like a shotgun wedding to me desu"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk any"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This nigga crazy"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis nigga crazy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Reminder that Marcionism is right, that when Gentiles instead of Jews started reading the Old Testament they realize that God has changed from a genocidal jealous God to a loving forgiving God.\nThe early Christians didn't have a problem squaring the Genocidal God with Jesus since they were all JEWs, so it was good that the Canaanites got crushed."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">God has changed from a genocidal jealous God to a loving forgiving God."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>to a loving forgiving God.\nthat sends you to a burning hell for all of eternity, while the OT God reincarnates you."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou're a Christcuck or a Jew, filthy Abrahamic get out of my sight."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would I give up on material reality?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>rejected the ot\n\nWhat"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Take that worthless \"SERVANT\" out where there will be wee......."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere is this from?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nMatthew 25:30\n\n30And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is Neo-Traditionalism the most compatible strain of Islam among educated peoples?\n\nHY really seems to get it right 95% of the time."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally who"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam isn't for educated folks"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I miss these niggas"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCreepy mannequins"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat's stopping you from going back to brazil?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should a person have the ability to defend themselves in court before being punished for a crime? If you were accused of a crime, would you desire have an opportunity to speak to a lawyer and potentially have a trial?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hitler"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hitler"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIT'S THE BIG MAN\nTHE KID FROM BERLIN\nBRING BACK THE PERVATIIIIINNNN!!!"}, {"id": 4, "content": "TELL ME ABOUT HITLER\nWHY DOES HE HATE THE KIKES"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Lost."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis nigga crazy"}, {"id": 7, "content": "4/20 LMAOOO!!!!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was actually jewish"}, {"id": 9, "content": "This nigga was NUTS!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You wake up in Ottoman Palestine, 1892"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI immediately go back to sleep"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'll never understand what made jews living in the most economically developed and philosemitic culture to ever exist (19th century europe) think that living in the arid desert surrounded by an infinite sea of arabs was preferable to what they had going already."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nEuropeans were one bad day away from killing the jews or stealing their property and throwing them to another cunt. Also like 80% of all Jews lived in eastern Europe where pogroms were a regular occurrence and with how shit the 19th century and 20th was for that area, cant blame the jews for wanting to leave"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nthey didn't, that's why the Zionists did their best to deliberately engineer antisemitism in Europe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nHerzl in particular came from the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy which was extremely philosemitic in practice with no real pogroms to speak of."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSubtle /n/igger thread"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNice"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>stealing\nyou mean seizing from criminals?\n\n> Also like 80% of all Jews lived in eastern Europe where pogroms were a regular occurrence\nAnd why are Jews quarantined from the rest of the society everywhere they go?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nThey wanted to create an HQ for their criminals"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>you mean seizing from criminals?\nNot him but people basically seized assets form Jews regardless of any guilty or not"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThe anon you’re replying to is probably just gonna say “all Jews are inherently guilty”."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nDon't Arabs fucking hate Jews?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThey were weak enough to completely BTFO, so their opinion is not important."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\n>Europeans were strong enough to fuck the Jews up\nEuropean opinion mattered.\n>Jews could fuck Arab’s shit up\nArab opinions didn’t matter."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the US really a nation?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRetarded map. As a Michigander, we are more similar to a neighboring Canadian than to an east coast yankee."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt has been since W. Wilson was president. Technically the seeds of centralized overrule existed following the Civil War, but much if the country was still empty and unsettled. Before all of that people called it THESE United States and not, \"THE United States\"."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWTF is \"THE MIDLANDS\"?."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo it’s a daycare for their pets"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnchorage is a fucking dump and more like Seattle than it is like Fairbanks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nDon’t drag us into this you hoser"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>dude we aren't turbofaggots like yankees, we're gigafaggots like canadians!\nyeah! you tell 'em!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Greater Appalachia\nThis is a terrible map. None of Greater Appalachia should extend any further west than the Ozarks. And it shouldn't encompass any of Illinois or Indiana besides the very southernmost portions of the states. Most of that land is just open corn fields that is entirely like \"The Midlands.\""}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a corporation"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you have any connections in your family with /his/torical figures or events?\n\nI have none by blood, but my Grandpa was personal friends with Bebe Rebozo and he informally met with Nixon a few times"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmy grandparents were victims of the ethnic cleansing campaign against ethnic Germans that happened after WW2 in eastern Europe, if that kind of thing counts."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwere they just deported or literally killed"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGrandma drunky was a frequent \"visitor\" at the Billy Goat Tavern in the 30s and knew the goat guy who put the curse on the Cubs.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Goat_Tavern"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy great grandfather was a Cristero. He almost got ACK'd along with 4 others but they were bailed out by the local priest who held some weight among his community. He was friends with Toribio Romo and my family still owns a rosary given to him by the martyr, although it is mostly rotten fiber now. Their photos are still under abuelito's altar today."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI do, my uncle is the Chapo and i'm friends with alot of his family on facebook but this connection has never netted me a dime since we bailed from Mexico (plenty of them did too but alot of them went to the oil arap cunts for some reason). From my dads side i'm related to Emiliano Zapata and I also have a few connections to various notable figures during the Cristero war. Which is also funny because my dads side has parts that helped kill Cristeros during the war and others that were part of the movement with a great great uncle hanging two of his brothers during the war near our old family home with the rope still on the tree to this day."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy Dad flipped off George W. Bush\nMy great Uncle died doing black ops operations in Laos in 1971\nMy Mom was friends at one point with Carrie Brownstein and knew a ton of people in the Riot Grrrl scene\nMy Great Grandpa fought in the China-Burma-India theater from 1943-45 and left as a sergeant with a good conduct medal (gigachad of my family, he is a huge influence on my life. I'm wearing his ring in this picture).\nMy Great Great Great Great Grandpa fought in the Civil War with several other members of my family for the Confederacy in the Civil War\nMy family has been in the U.S since the early 1600s\nAll I can think of."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christians: Good thing the bible only makes unfalsifiable claims so I don't have to prove anything\n>Mark 11:22-26 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”\nWell? Where are all the miracles? Or isn't there a single Christian that truly has faith?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed … he shall have whatsoever he saith—Here is the lesson now. From the nature of the case supposed—that they might wish a mountain removed and cast into the sea, a thing far removed from anything which they could be thought actually to desire—it is plain that not physical but moral obstacles to the progress of His kingdom were in the Redeemer's view, and that what He designed to teach was the great lesson, that no obstacle should be able to stand before a confiding faith in God.\n\ntldr context"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus:\n>Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)\nThe apostles: *dies*\nWhat did Jesus mean by this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are several recorded instances in the Catholic Church of Saints being bestowed miracles. Off the top of my head, there is the tale of Saint André of Montréal, who only in 1937 died, but not before praying back to health thousands of people through the Grace of God and the intercession of Saint Joseph. He had one of the most beautiful basilica built on American soil, the Saint-Joseph Oratory, which was later graced as a reliquary for having preserved Saint André's heart after he was canonized in 2010."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nAd 70"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\ncope, jesus is clearly teaching his disciples how to do miracles. and guess what, no amount of faith can prevent being crucified upside down and other horrible shit like that happening to you\n>>3\ni know right\n>>4\nthat's pretty cool to be completely honest, unfortunately as far as i know these people claiming to have had miracles isn't well documented enough. also you have to take into consideration wicked people like rasputin whom so many people were certain he had some kind of supernatural power"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nJesus brought a concept of death so strange, as if dead people are not really dead so they can be resucitated like Lazarus, but at the same time a permanent death exists that only he has the power to , not revert, but transcend, thus he is the first resurrected, and he shall resurrect everyone else. He could have meant \"I'lll be judging you soon, sin no more\" or \"You who believe in me will as of now nit truly die, but stay in this special kind of ontological sleep\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nnope\n>shall not taste of death, till\nthey won't die UNTIL they see the son of man coming in his kingdom. however that last part could refer to his ascension to heaven, since \"his kingdom\" would most likely refer to heaven. but if the kingdom is earth, then the apostles definitely didn't see that"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>8\ndebunked by Paul\n\n>We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:15-17)."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYes that's the point. He said to everyone \" He who believes in me will not die, etc\". We know for sure they did die, but then he meant something different by death. He saw another kind of death that has nothing to do with rotting bodies."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\ngood thing paul doesn't contradict jesus time and time agai-\n>http://www.voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html\n\nPaul says:\nRom.13\n[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.\n\nJesus says:\nLuke.21\n[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,\nsaying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.\n>>10\n>he meant something different by death\nso jesus is either misleading (wouldn't be surprising considering his many parables that even his disciples couldn't understand) or he lied, or his disciples didn't have faith in him (which would also make sense considering they all left him to die in the gospel of mark)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis bible has so many different interpretations"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">judaism\n>christianity\n>islam\nWhich is the true religion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbram was renamed Abraham because Abram sinned (without telling us what he did), then named to AbraHAM. Might mean he tried to marry or reproduce with a black woman. Abraham then sins again with Hagar, a slave maid, which also might have been black. She conceives and has Ishmael out of wedlock. Maybe even Hagar is the same woman he sinned with earlier and because he had already did it with her maybe he decided to give her a child who knows but God. Meaning it was a sin of Ham thing, but you can’t have children out of wedlock or it is called a bastard, which means a sin of the love of sexual pleasure aka lust. That has nothing to do with faith and it is also called not a legal son.\nMuhammed is simply a false prophet who is trying to take advantage of the fact that Ishmael is like a lost son or lost tribe of the Jews and wants to assert his existence due to the Jews disobeying God and falling out of the family of God.\nIslam is also a spiritual dark religion since it is through dominance. The Jews were slaves for 400 years first before leaving Egypt and trying to invade Canaan, which was Ham’s of the promise of father Noah. And Noah got that from God.\nYou can’t equate Christianity or ancient Judaism with any religion that is originated anywhere else besides God’s original religion from Adam and Eve which is about Man’s origins by its Creator in His own Image. And that is only by extension to the Jews and then that became corrupt so it became believing on the name of Jesus to be saved. God also ensured and promised this won’t be corrupted because it can’t be. Jesus’ blood paid it all."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Orphic mysteries were the closest that humans have come to figuring out the true religion.\n\nJudaism was originally just ancestor worship and racial chauvinism for Jewish people, but due to contact with the Greeks, it now contains some truthful teachings in the form of Kaballah.\n\nChristianity is the slave religion they invented to get Europeans to abandon their own gods and lose their supernatural protection."}, {"id": 4, "content": "mormonism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZoroastrianism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat's a weird way to spell Manichaeism"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\neither is religion neither is truth"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShintoism (no I'm not a weeb)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nchristianity. Jesus was God itself walking among us, talking like us, breething like, bleeding like us. He's the salvatore and the freedom. Accept him to receive eternal life lil bro, it's free, he never asked anything than just trust in his words."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHermeticism is the truth."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBahá’í"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot exactly religious but i saw a part of the quran that explains how the fetus is growing in the womb, it's specific for a book 1400 years old, kinda interesting, maybe the true religion is one of the Abrahamic ones after all"}, {"id": 14, "content": "I know the church is true. I know Joseph Smith Jnr was a true prophet of God innocent from all charges against him. I know the Book of Mormon is true and the most correct book on earth. I bear witness that there is no God except Christ and the Blessed Prophet Joseph Smith Jnr PBUH was his chosen Seer and Revelator who solidified the truthfulness of the everlasting gosepl and the restoration with his blood. Even so, Amen."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam, if you look at things objectively."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npaganism"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>>/x/ please"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall three are. abramic trinity."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Christianity is true for christians. But Judaism is not true."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nSource?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity has the best pitch of the three. Its story resonates with people so it's unsurprising it was spread so vast even without force. Islam's pitch is fundamentally noncommittal in its own scriptures. If you read the Quran you will find that it doesn't actually condemn the Torah and Bible as corrupt, only their followers. It actually insists that those scriptures were perfectly fine, so what is the necessity in converting to Islam? It's no wonder it pretty much only spreads through force."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\n>>7\n>>10\n>>12\n>>16\n>>18\n>>19\nThere is no God but Allah, and Yahya Muhammad and Isa Ali are his messengers."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>it doesn't actually condemn the Torah and Bible as corrupt\nIt absolutely does, at least to some extent.\n\n75. Do you hope that they will believe in you, when some of them used to hear the Word of God, and then deliberately distort it, even after understanding it?\n\n76. And when they come across those who believe, they say, “We believe,” but when they come together privately, they say, “Will you inform them of what God has disclosed to you, so that they might dispute with you concerning it before your Lord?” Do you not understand?\n\n77. Do they not know that God knows what they conceal and what they reveal?\n\n78. And among them are uneducated who know the Scripture only through hearsay, and they only speculate.\n\n79. So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands, and then say, “This is from God,” that they may exchange it for a little price. Woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>4\n/thread"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\n>>You can’t equate Christianity or ancient Judaism with any religion that is originated anywhere else besides God’s original religion from Adam and Eve which is about Man’s origins by its Creator in His own Image.\nThe particular religious mythology you consider to be true is as unbelievable and as ridiculous to skeptical observers as any other."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nislam"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nWrong, God's Word is above your shitty blaspheming atheism as well as religions that originate from Ham, Shem, or Japheth regions. Aka you are a racist shithead. God's Religion transcends all religions and is about Spiritual Light and Ascension into heaven, which can only be attained through Christ Jesus."}, {"id": 28, "content": "Now for what I think of you:\n>>15\nbot\n>>16\nbot\n>>18\nbot that can't choose\n>>26\nbot\n>>4\nbot\n>>5\nbot\n>>7\nempty inside bot\n>>8\nbot"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>Islam's pitch is fundamentally noncommittal in its own scriptures. If you read the Quran you will find that it doesn't actually condemn the Torah and Bible as corrupt, only their followers.\nThat's because they couldn't commit to it dumbass. They lost WW1&2 and some of them knew they couldn't kill us so they decided to ally with us. That's like saying\n>well, we WOULD kill all of you so the scriptures are true... if we could...\n>nvm..."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEugenics"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>22\n>Fox News uses Fear Tactics to scare Tucker Carlson from doing his own show, says oh btw we didn’t fire you even though we said you fired which would negate their contract anyways\nGuess what God is going to say to those lawyers that claim a Man can’t leave because of a virtual prison that doesn’t really exist. Of course Jesus Christ sides with Tucker Carlson and never canonized Purgatory which is what the Roman Catholics would call it. There is no God but Ishmael’s God and Jesus Christ is his only Son."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>10\nBot, somehow I missed your post earlier.\n>>11\nBot.\n>>12\nBot"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What historical factors lead to the idea of misogyny?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMen noticed the less misogynistic they were, the less sex they got, so they came up with the idea to be more misogynistic"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Kill yourself"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNigga you just admitted you've never been with a woman. Every man who has had to deal with the opposite sex beyond brief encounter already has at least an ounce of misogyny in them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBiology and psychology"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsource?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n/thread\nOnce I started dealing with women and men romantically speaking, I noticed a trend where women act like indecisive retards and men uh…don’t. Call me a faggot, but men are much less of a head ache."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWomens’ behavior"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nFaggot."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nKek. I did tell y’all to call me a faggot, I suppose."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was manual labour historically more valued and considered as a masculine activity? Anyone can use their body, but not everyone can intellectualize."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany ideas of masculinity are tied to cope with lower class status. Women don't have to work because they are more valuable and have people working for them, so servitude on their behalf is esteemed as somehow superior in a way. These delusions are necessary for proper societal functioning."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthat’s the cope of a lazy effeminate crippled “male” too scared to get a tan and calloused hands lest he lose his attractiveness to his daddy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nWorking your body makes you much more fit and thus capable of physically defending yourself and your family from the enemy tribe. Being a physically capable male is seen as more masculine than being weak and out of shape. It's really not rocket science, and your posts just seem like insecure nerd cope.\n\nt. nerd"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nUnironically based\n\n>be lower class\n>have to work in the mines for some fucking boss who gets 80% of my earnings\n>i don't see my wife or kids all day\n>someones probably fucking my wife\n>cope by stating my job is only for manly men\n>drink until i die\n\nFuck capitalism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nMassive cope and projection, but necessary, after all who will work for me otherwise? Keep it up, anon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nShitting on the working class while disparaging capitalism. Classic spoiled upper-middle class leftoid."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>Woman don't have to work\nYou don't actually believe women sat around all day doing nothing do you? Keeping a home and raising children is work, not to mention women have always helped on the farm"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>hate capitalism\n>duurrr you must be a marxist then!!!\n\nthe working class wont rise up\nIts not gonna happen faggot. Start living in this reality and realize that marxism is a grand narrative, as is capitalism. We should be using dualism to govern ourselves"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nLefties unironically believe that traditional homemaker women did nothing all day."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThe left has no desire to admit these things, communists are the biggest fetishisers of work and masculinity cope in history. This is an aristocratic notion.\n>>8\nThe thread is not about such things, and agricultural societies are not the sum of human history."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nBit misogynistic innit"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIn a sense yeah. They do not appreciate traditional feminine family roles and have done everything they can to masculinize women."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>communists are the biggest fetishers\n>lets fetishize a faggot with a mustache instead!!\n\nThe enlightenment was a mistake"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>The thread is not about such things\nI'm replying to your post, who gives a shit what the threads about\n>agricultural societies are not the sum of human history\nWhat's your point here? That in some non-agricultural society women never did any work? Nonsense"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nManual labor has only ever been viewed as \"masculine\" to the extent that it's tied to or enhances personal agency (frontiersmen etc). Being enslaved, abused, forced to work etc has never been seen as \"masculine\", and agriculturists are generally seen as less masculine than pastoralists/hunter gatherers despite doing more manual labor."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nLet's see them live for a month without modern facilities like running water and washing machines and refrigerators, they'll learn to appreciate the woman's role real fucking quick"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nHow did you reach this conclusion?\n>>15\n>I'm replying to your post, who gives a shit what the threads about\nWell, if work is defined as \"literally any productive activity\" then the discussion is incoherent. The thread is implicitly about that type of work that was traditionally seen as befitting slaves. Women, certainly, also have their domains of work that proper men do not lower themselves to. The domain of the elite is sports, arts and combat."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>still replied\nHitler was a cock sucking faggot, as are you"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nYou're just making shit up mate. Work is literally any productive activity. The OP makes no mention of slavery, you're grasping at straws here mate because you don't have a coherent point to maken"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe OP is a guy smashing glowing metal with a hammer; this is definitely not the sort of activity women engage in. You have to be severely autistic to be unable to navigate this subject."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nWhat is your point exactly?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThat manual labour in the proletarian sense is a low-class activity, and associating it with ideals of \"masculinity\" is a cope by the lower class to help tolerate their condition."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why was manual labour historically more valued and considered as a masculine activity?\n\nThis was only ever a thing during the 19th century by seething Western/European middle class boomers of the time. As more and more young men lived in cities, entered universities, worked high paying white collar jobs, and enjoyed finer things in life, seething boomers who grew up in farms & factories worried that not growing up in hardship in some farm or mine are making modern men \"soft\" and \"untrained to the rigors of the world.\" So they started this whole movement about \"muh strenuous life\" or \"christian masculinity\" to \"remind\" modern western men that masculinity was not brainwork.\n\ntl;dr its cope.\n\nFunnily when their own arguments are thrown back at them in regard to non-white \"savage\" races, they backpedal fucking hard and say savages are not more masculine because muh intellect."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nThat's wrong though, lower class women certainly worked, Women would generally perform tasks with dexterity like gutting fish or sewing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\neffeminate metropole detected\n\nchances are your hands are as soft as satin, and the only shaft you have ever handled or hafted is your own"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n99% of people historically lived in small towns where being a great blacksmith or a baker was inarguably more beneficial to the community as a whole than being the best middle class bureaucrat cog in the machine. With urbanization and the advancement of the middle classes over the centuries this opinion was bound to change, since the ones passing judgment were not aristocrats, priests, and kings anymore but the middle class bureaucrat types who dominate the machinery of the modern state.\n\nThe better question to ask would be why is it that the urbanized middle classes hate the rural working classes with such white hot fury. The importance of the urban/rural divide could hardly be overstated - I'd go as far as to argue that it precedes any real ideological division in politics. Two rural people of opposing political views will have more to do with each other than they will have to do with their urban co-ideologists."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nChances are you're one of these \"effeminate\" metropole yourself. Especially if you're first world."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>The better question to ask would be why is it that the urbanized middle classes hate the rural working classes with such white hot fury.\nEveryone does. Including your own landlords."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nBro I am using the word \"hafted\" from experience. Trust me, I know what that word means.\n\nI live in a small city *now*, but grew up in the sticks. That said, my home had all the amenities of modern living including a PC with dialup, a generator, etc."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\n>Your hands are soft\nWhat a fatuous statement. Instead of toiling like a beast you could be learning something. I will never waste time on such low brow things."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nI'm a poor rural \"blue collar\" person and I hate myself and my life because it sucks."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nYou'll never learn with a book in your hands what you can learn with a spanner and a square instead, or a hand drill and a hacksaw."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfall of rome and middle ages"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou know why"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nimagine getting pounded by him\nas a piece of metal"}, {"id": 37, "content": "The reason it's considered masculine is because they're sacrificing their body for their family. The guy in the coal mines in the 19th century could fuck off and become a vagabond working part time and drinking often. But he stays in the coal mines, destroying his body, knowing he's destroying his body, because he has a wife and kids to look after.\n\nThere is a fair amount of stoicism required to be able to put your life on the line for others. That's the masculine part."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThere are less romantic ways to destroy your body, like data entry"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\ndata entry may cause some strain, but it won't risk leaving you a cripple or dead."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>>39\nIt's inherently evil for a person to have kids if they have a hellish life."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the lasting positive impacts of Spanish colonialism? No negative vibes in this thread, esse"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere in the Philippines, Catholicism conservative Spanish authoriartianism & racism united every race here against colonial brutality, including Spain's own flesh and blood who were born here. Creoles, Chinese, Mestizos, and Natives all considered each other as brothers and countrymen, unlike the racial autism in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone whatsoever. Neither the Spanish nor the language church has held any Latin American country together like hispanchitos meme about.\n\nHell, fucking AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY has done more to preserve Mexico as a nation state than centuries if shared language and religion. There is literally no upside to Spanish colonization."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Creoles, Chinese, Mestizos, and Natives all considered each other as brothers and countrymen, unlike the racial autism in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia.\nThis is a very good legacy from Spanish culture, and something that is usually overlooked. Yes, yes, laugh and call us mutts all you want, but as a Latin American it makes me happy to live in a place without the racial psychosis that exists in America.\n\nPeople here have no racial identity, and that also means there is no affimative action, no Black Lives Matter, none of that toxic identity politics shit. No forms you have to fill asking about race when applying for a job. People identify more with their nation rather than their race."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>[...] Spanish colonialism[...] [SIC]\n\n\n?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about the Moors, /his/."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Moorish Spain\n>_Spaniard_ Princess\nthis is a deliberate attack on Spanish identity, isn't?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Disney\nIn the trash it go"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs there going to be an Inquisition scene where she is captured and branded with a crucifix on various extremities of her body?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nUh, hello?\nGlobal regime wants to turn everyone into fat gay niggers and strip them of their identity to make them more efficient slaves, remember?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nBet her boyfriend a northern goths listers"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I know this isn't the point of the thread but holy fucking shit is that what disney animation looks like these days? How the fuck did we go from bambi to this shit? The poorly rendered 3d model of a goat (?)'s feet aren't even on the ground. Which North Korean labor camp animated this?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Umayyad Caliphate was considered too racist even for the middle easterners so they were overthrown in the Abbasid revolution and the Ummayads fled to spain where eventually they too got overthrown by Berbers/Moors for being too Arab supremacist."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nBIG\nGOTHIC\nC O C K"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Moorish princess\nWhy isn't she in a burqa? She'd be stoned to death in real life Al-Andalus."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were Colonizers."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>10\nClothing of women of Al-Andalus."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>Spanish identity\nThis IS Spanish identity."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Moorish maiden."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHahahahaha racist nafri chuds btfo"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">arab / berber lead\n>main love interest is a goat\nchecks out"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Muslim women of Castile."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\nFellow Spaniards, I for one reject this anti-moorish sentiment. As Catholics, we need to allow these poor war refugees into your country. It is our Christian way of life and it is what Jesus would do so whats with the complaining?!"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIf Jesus wanted the \"hated Crescent\", as Isabella would put it, so much, why did He let Philip expel the Moriscos?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nOnly whites fuck animals."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe uncanny valley on that goat, holy shit."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nnice falseflag, too bad it doesnt work since spaniards aren't catholic anymore"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWow.\nDon't fucking care."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nDo non-people actually believe this?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol, I knew someone would post this here"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>brown skin\n>negro nose\n>likely Spanish name\n>racially ambiguous\n\nYep that’s Spain alright"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nYou haven't heard the white women fuck dogs meme have you"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nWhy do cave people project their lust for dogs, horses, monkeys, and swines onto humans?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\nReligion is shit. I'm not letting in Moors."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\n>you're wrong because i hate you\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n\nhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-court-bestiality/most-animal-sex-acts-not-against-canadas-bestiality-law-court-idUSKCN0YV1QX"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nIronically the original \"troglodytes\" (cave people) referred to the people of the sahara who were said to live underground to escape the heat."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis nigga crazy"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nYes, I've seen that meme being spammed. You're not one of those types that believes everything they read on the internet, right?\n\n>>28\nSeveral issues with that map, not least of all that countries with greater access to the internet will be disproportionately represented (i.e, first world versus the third) and that furry != bestiality.\n\nFinally, do you unironically believe the Afro-Egyptian stuff, or are you just parroting the meme because you're annoyed I consider non-people beneath me?\n\n>>30\n>Here are some outdated laws that don't cover the full length and breadth of the particulars of dog fucking\n>This means all wypipo fuck animals\nAgain, are you just pretending to be retarded, or are you actually? I mean, I think it's both personally, but which do you identify more with?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nInternet is widespread around the entire globe, but even if you what you said was true, this would still not explain why furries only exist in the white dominated areas of multiracial countries like Russia and America where internet is widespread, instead of being evenly distributed. It is clear that cave people are overtly represented among zoophiles.\n\nI have interracted with enough cave people to KNOW that you, especially your female population, have sex with dogs and horses if you are have enough money to buy one, I have also met a few cave females who openly boasted about their dogs being better than their bfs.\n\nfurry = thinly veiled beastiality"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>this would still not explain why furries only exist in the white dominated areas of multiracial countries like Russia and America\nThey dominate in high population areas, unless you want to somehow claim that America doesn't have a high degree of non-Whites in its cities? Hell, European cities have a high degree of non-whites in their cities.\n\n> instead of being evenly distributed\nSee above.\n\n>It is clear that cave people are overtly represented among zoophiles.\nStill haven't answered my last question directed towards you in regards to the Afro-Egyptian stuff.\n\n>I have interracted with enough cave people to KNOW that you, especially your female population, have sex with dogs and horses if you are have enough money to buy one, I have also met a few cave females who openly boasted about their dogs being better than their bfs.\nWhat utter nonsense. I could just as easily claim that non-people regularly engage in corprophilia because I've interacted with enough of them to know that YOU engage in it, especially your women.\nI have also met a few of your non-people women that claim it tastes better than chocolate.\n\n>furry = thinly veiled beastiality\nAgain, no. If anything it's closer to xenophilia."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>They dominate in high population areas\nNo. There are less zoophiles in high density China than in low density East Germany. It is clear that there's another factor at play here, namely race.\n\n>unless you want to somehow claim that America doesn't have a high degree of non-Whites in its cities\nThey do, and thanks to this there are less furries in Hispanic-dominated Los Angeles (30% White) than in White-dominated New York (60% White) despite both being highly urbanized.\n\n>Hell, European cities have a high degree of non-whites in their cities.\nEurope prove my point just like America. The least White nations in Europe (Sweden, France, Italy, Greece) have also the least furries while the whitest nations in Europe (Germany, England, Eastern Europe) have the most furries.\n\n\n>I have also met a few of your non-people women that claim it tastes better than chocolate.\nI might believe your anecdotal evidence if there were stats like >>28 (You) indicating that human women were attracted to animals, but stats show that only cave females do.\n\n>Again, no. If anything it's closer to xenophilia.\nAbsolute cope.\n\nftfm"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Cave sisters...\n\n>Studies published between 2002 and 20161,16,17 indicated that most individuals who self-reported having sex with animals were white males ranging in age from 16 to 78 years, most of whom were gainfully employed and were, or had been, in an intimate human relationship. Animals most often chosen as sexual partners were DOGS, HORSES, GOATS, cats, farm animals, and fowl, followed by wildlife and exotics.\n...\n>Women offenders most often acted as part of a male/female couple (n 40, 64.5%). Race was\nknown for most offenders; white race was most prevalent (71.3%), followed by African-American (5.5%) and Hispanic-American (5.3%)."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nraycist white washing the moors where black africans"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>10\nBecause it’s an attack on trad muslims too."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet me guess, this film will depict Christians as intolerant pricks while Muslims will be peace-loving hippies who dindu nuffin, am I wrong? Also expect scenes that show how much Christians \"hated\" science, something that will contrast with pro-science Muslims.\n\n>Spaniard princess\nlol"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>make up some shit\n>get mad about some shit you made up yourself\nThe eternal rightoid"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe don't need this film, we already have the movie about white Spaniards going to the new world and getting native pussy and getting rich. I'm sure I don't need North African Muslim in a Disney movie. Not that it couldn't be based, but they wont make it based, so count on it having Muslim faggots of the middle ages."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey were red-heads\n>>2\nspaniard here, nobody cares about what disney thinks"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>4\nwhy would the inquisition torture a muslim?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>17\n>pic\nNot much different from today, to be honest."}, {"id": 46, "content": "I hate modern pop culture so much. Not even because of all this multicultural propaganda. Everything is just really ugly.\nLike, what kind of style is this? Some kind of 2D filter on 3D models?\nCGI already fucked animation up making it extremely boring and soulless looking. Now there's this and I've seen it also in that new Spider-man movie that was so praised by everyone for its shitty, choppy animation.\n\nIt's like every time I think we hit the bottom it gets worse."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nIt's Disney, they're fucking retarded."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>moorish princess\n>brown"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>moorish spain\n>strong woman character who wears no niqab\n\nlmao"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd the proof is? As far I know, Disney still has not said anything about the setting of the movie."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nIt’s Golemation. It’s specifically designed to dull the senses and dim the spirit of a human being. It only appeals to golems."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>7\n>I know this isn't the point of the thread but holy fucking shit is that what disney animation looks like these days? How the fuck did we go from bambi to this shit?\nconsume your goyslop and dont think to much about it."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nAlladdin is one of the greatest animated movies of all time. Dumb image, but what else can you expect from a /pol/tard?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nShe's also a sassy and witty character too!"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nMulan is based."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\n>Jews did Beauty and the Beast, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Tarzan, Aladdin and Mulan\nwtf Jews are based"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is a fake article, you can't find it\nthe movie has literally nothing to do with moors or iberia\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctlz0R1tSZE [Embed]\nleave to 4chan to get upset over a childrens movie"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nOh no not a gypsy from an early 19th century French novel, oh the horror!\n/SPOILER/: It's reveiled at the end of the novel that she wasn't a gypsy but since she convinced everyone including herself of that her whole life she probably looked like one and there were other real gypsies in the novel"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBASED"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nThe Graphics are so bad, it looks like cut scenes from a PS2 videogame, can't believe this is Disney\n\nShame\n\n\nSHAME"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\nwhy are /his/cucks so easy to bait?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>12\n>>14\nmost people dont realise the Bedouin clothing came out of post-Ottoman Arabia, Muslim invaders in Europe probably adopted (and depixtions imply so) local clothes because Islam only dictates about beards and a specific head/body covering laws.\nBut in modern times these laws appear autistic, i mean men also have to cover their heads using a turban or a similar cloth if we are following hadiths like c'mon this is just stupid."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>10\n>Why isn't she in a burqa?\nbecause that's a fake article and you're gay"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nI think it's cool. Reminds me of 2005."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfrican Americans will fucking seethe so hard at this"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nwhy?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>41\nYwnbaw"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>2\nIt is"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nthe movie has nothing to do with spain"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nThey love to claim they are the descendants of the Moors"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nthe movie is not about the moors tho"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>28\nWe owned you lmao"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>61\n4chan is the confirmation bias made webpage"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>18\nI don’t get why libtards try to argue that the Bible is pro-open borders. I’m not even Christian, but if you actually sit down and read the damn thing Yahweh is constantly telling his followers to wage war against invaders and squatters. He’s literally a massive nationalist and all about kicking out foreigners with strange customs."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA fairytale set in Al-Andalus could actually be kino if it wasn't being churned out by a creatively bankrupt shit show like Didney"}, {"id": 76, "content": "I'm Basque and that's exactly how a Spaniard looks like"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>I'm Basque\nSo Spaniard?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMoorish Spain has Indian level of skin tone.\nAmericans can’t into race"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>71\nIt is about Moors"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\n>I'm Basque"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>18\nYou use the Bible as a weapon when it's a shield for the faithful, blasphemer."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>First Spaniard Princess\nHuh, wasn't that Elena of Avalor?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>9\nbased anon, based"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nShe an royal of Mexican empire."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>57\n>>63\nCope. Rosas is clearly Spanish"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>75\n>>59\n>land of the Vandals"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy isn't this whore wearinbf a hijab or any other muslim head covering?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>52\nMulan, Tarzan, Hercules, Aladdin, and Emperor’s new groove are all better movies"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>79\nit's not, it has nothing to do with the moors, you got baited by a fake article, the article doesn't exist either, try searching for it instead of acting like a tranny"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>85\nthe kingdom of rosas is a fantasy kingdom\n\n>>87\ncause she's not muslim, the movie has no relations to islam"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\n>the kingdom of rosas is a fantasy kingdom\nBased off Moorish Spain :^)"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>Based off Moorish Spain :^)\nsource?"}, {"id": 93, "content": "your moors sir"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\ntypical islamic clothes here, you can just tell the east asian girl in the front row worships allah"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>53\n>>55\n>Remake become soulless.\nGuessing /pol/ not wrong"}, {"id": 96, "content": "/his/ btfo"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>42\n>white Spaniards\noxymoron"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nGotta appreciate the attention for detail that arch and costume really do look Moorish"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nThat guy posts like a fag."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose freckles, damn Disney why you gotta do muh dick like that, the goat or whatever is kinda hot too."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>78\nIndians range from white skinned to pitch black you idiot"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>96\nthat twitter account is baiting or maybe fell for the fake article like 99% of 4chan, there's absolutely no source or indication that it's about the moors"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>96\npost an actual source\nwhy do you want to spread this fake controversy?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>52\n>The Little Mermaid\n>Picture is shown in the pre-Jew era\nCan /pol/tards go a single post without lying through their teeth?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>46\nMaybe you don't like it because you're not 9 year old girl."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>102\nIt's about Moors"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>98\ntruly, moorish architecture, it just screams al andalus"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\ncan you post a source?\n\n>>107\nkudos to the discord troons that set up this fake outrage campaign, it worked, the entire board is convinced that it's about moors and that it's literally set in medieval cordoba or something"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nIt screams Fez Madrassa in Morroco"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nthe rest of the city (99% of the city) looks completely different, the tower looks different, actually everything or the madrassa besides the color of the roofs looks completely different\nare you part of the discord campaign? how do i join you guys?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nIt's very clearly inspired by Moorish architecture idk why you're butthurt about this objective fact"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\ni'm not butthurt? it's very clearly not particularly inspired by anything, yours is confirmation bias, you can always pick some minor thing and say \"hey look this is a massive inspiration, these green roofs look like the green roofs of this completely different styled palace in morocco\"\ncan you post something concrete stating that they take inspiration from the moor?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>68\nsounds like the visigoths got rightfully BTFO. remember: might makes right even if you don't agree with the outcome :^)"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nYes you are"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nCope, the movie is subliminally about how Moorish Spain was a multicultural paradise that was superior to Christian Spain"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nno i think it's about some random fantasy island unrelqated to the moors or spain"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nNo I think that just the cover plot for the real story about how Spanish women loved bbc"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>76\n>I'm Basque and that's exactly how a Spaniard looks like\nShe looks too white to be a Spaniard."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\n>bbc\nbig basque cock?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nNo, big black cock, which gave the basques their look"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>117\nso, are you gonna give the link to this discord or not?\n\nyou don't get it, i admire you guys, you really fooled the entirety of 4chan with that fake article\ni want to be a part of it"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>115\nThey should read about many of the things the muslims from ALAndalus did to the christians. Like the Martirio de Cordoba in 860s where they literally tortured and killed men, women and children just because they did not want to be muslims. It is in wikipedia with their names and stories. Like these a lot more."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nanon... it's a children's movie set in a imaginary island"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nbased off muslim spain"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nyou keep repeating that without providing any evidence"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>113\nopening the gates of your city =/= might"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\n>NOOOOOOOO YOU DIDN'T BEAT ME THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\nthey still lost :^)"}, {"id": 128, "content": "She doesn't look Spanish"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\nShe doesn't look nafri either, so?"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>103\n>why do you want to spread this fake controversy?"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>68\nDamn your telling me a minority treated like shit is going to welcome an invader who promises to change this? Jews are not unique in being a potential 5th column.\nThere's a reason germans were expelled from eastern Europe after ww2"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>96\n>hey I just converted to islam, so excited!\n>wtf, why am I turning black?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>86\nVANDALIA, MY HOME"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>51\nI miss 2D animation so much."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Redpill me on Enoch."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStupid myth that was excluded from the other stupid myths for being too stupid and too mythic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>excluded from the other stupid myths\nIt's literally in the KJV Holy Bible, I'm not even referring to the book of Enoch"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIt's in Genesis you retarded neckbeard"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was Cain's son, and would have been the first to be born and told \"Son, you are under a massive curse. God cursed our bloodline for good.\"\nSo of course this caused a massive blood curdling cry and tears and praying to God for repentence from one such as Enoch. It's practically the source for verses that people should be held accountable for their own sins, not the sins of their parents. Jesus was brought a blind man from birth and asked which ones sinned. So Jesus said neither of them sinned, nobody sinned, he was blind since birth so he could be brought to me to be miraculously healed. The blind man wouldn't have been brought under any other circumstances but that he believed in Jesus as the son of God though, and likewise Enoch would have been a case where he walked with God like Adam walked with God and God saw it as good and translated him to Heaven."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThen you have cases where there is a son named Enoch somewhere in the lineage from Adam to Noah. I'm not sure what that's about, maybe that's how he was translated. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯\nThen there is the verse in the New Testament where they speak about Enoch and the \"gainsaying of the core.\" All we know is that the Jews care nothing about God and are a gainsaying people. But Jesus said no, no one is righteous, no, not one. Meaning Enoch, Elijah, and everyone who was ever righteous was only saved because God made them righteous for His own purposes and not because they were not sinners."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it moral for children’s non-fiction literature to be heavily biased? Many books pretend cowboys and Indians got along with each other. Some don’t reveal the racial aspect to Rosa Park’s bus incident. Some, when describing dates, omit BC and BCE."}, {"id": 2, "content": "looks like it's made to introduce children to the concept of prejudice, presumably with the intention of the teacher elaborating and answering questions"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>okay class, using your empathy skills, why do you think people treated Rosa and Fred differently?\n>Because non-whites disgusted them so they committed a hate crime. However, it’s not right to assume one’s whitehood by phenotype alone, let alone one’s gender."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do they omit the fact that the entire Rosa Parx incident was preplanned by her and her commie den?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>BUH BUH MUH IT WAS A SETUP!!1!!!\n\nYou dickless retards consistently bring that up as if it was all a stage play or like Rosa Parks was “goading” the bus driver by shouting “HEY! HEY, I’M IN THE WHITE ZONE I’M SITTING WITH WHITEY! I SURE HOPE NO ONE MOVES ME!”\n\nJust because she worked out a time and bus route to do it on doesn’t negate that she was kicked off, that she was arrested, and that the NAACP could reliably predict that it would’ve happened. They were literally inspired to do it by an UNPLANNED event involving a woman named Claudette Colvin like a year before."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNot him but I don’t care because I hate poopskins"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHatred of your fellow Christian is wrong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did height ever play a major role in the spanish conquests of americas? the average spaniard is around 178cm while most indios are 160~. lets assume in 15th century spaniards were 170cm while indios were 150cm, would that give conquistadors a significant advantage during a battle?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPost your brown goblin fingers again cubANO."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nsorry what was that? cant hear you from here"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat's because you have to use a booster seat, Manolo."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n50 % of these \"cubans\" who stayed in that shithole are mulattos and other mutts, actual cubans are 175-180 on average, COPE"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>I post hard data\n>Pedro doesn't\n>y-y-youre coping!\nMiralo."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI dont need a fucking peer reviewed graph to know that my people tower over your unwashed indio ass"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ngetting angry won't change the numbers Juanito"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>literal mulatto cubans can create a more thriving society than beaners"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>admits he's the brown cuban shitskin who hates himself and lurks between here and /int/\nHow the weather in Miami, coño?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\n>poster count goes up by one\n>doesn't have the balls to directly (You) me anymore"}, {"id": 12, "content": "When are the mestizos finally going to cut this indios head off with a chainsaw for shoplifting? can`t fucking wait"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpaniards were taller back then"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\n>actual cubans are 175-180 on average\nkek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any sources which indicate oman held control over the northern coast of Somalia?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were the rulers of Zanzibar until the Bantus started a revolt"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do christcucks hate the most masculine hat there is?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal men wear dresses with lace. Trad!"}, {"id": 3, "content": "chads stopped wearing it decades ago, same with top hats, they were magnificent in the 1850s but far from it today"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAll fashions gradually work their way down in class affiliation. Same with atheism itself, desu."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>top hats\nIt's still worn by eccentrics but 90% of the time retards own just the hat and don't even try to match it with a suit"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>real men wear gay-looking frilly coverings for robes that make them look like overgrown babies\nSasuga religitards fuelling their age regression crossdressing trannybaby fetish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Removes darkness from your soul\n>Removes sin\n>Cures disease\n>Grants energy\n>Grants spiritual knowledge\n\nWhat's stopping you?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nits a ball of gas"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYou're a ball of flesh. That means you're not alive or sentient"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m pale as a mf and turn into a lobster on exposure to direct sunlight. I’ll do it from the shade tyvm"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nwhat it is from SuperString theory pow?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>it's just a clump of cells"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The divine does not start or end with the sun"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you want to end up like Isaac Newton?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNot op but sure"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHe was a Christian?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThe Sun is one of the divines"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nDid pale people historically get skin cancer?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Removes darkness from your soul\n>Removes sin\n>Grants spiritual knowledge\nWhat's the point of religion then?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nTo give thanks to the Gods who in turn bless us."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe sun will rise whether or not we pray."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Be 10 years old\n>\"My dad's gonna feed and house me wether or not I thank him. I can just ignore him lol.\""}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy white ass does not like the sun. Whenever I’m out in the sun during summer, I burn like paper."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nPeople haven't been praying to the sun in centuries. And it's still there.\nUnless of course an obscure amazon tribe praying to it is enough. Then let's leave it to them."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>People haven't been praying to the sun in centuries. And it's still there.\nAnd they've lost their soul. Just because you ignore your family doesn't make them stop being your family. If you reconcile, then you can reap the benefits of that relationship. The same with the Gods"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI will worship the creator rather than the creation, idolater"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe prime mover isn't the creator."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nA ball of flesh with neurons, the sun doesn't have neurons. Gaia worship is the only acceptable religion\n>Earth is green\n>Has air\n>Has water\n>Is our home\nEarth is more alive and worthy of worship than the sun"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>the sun doesn't have neurons.\n>I know because I've been in the sun let me tell you\n\nEarth is certainly worth worshiping. But by earth are you including plants as well? Because I'd argue plants are a mixture of sun and earth."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nBut people still receive the same benefits form the sun whether or not they prayed."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nPlants do use the sun but they are a product of Earth's creation, in all aspects I'd argue the earth is deserving of the central place in worship"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't want to burn in hell. You can go for it, as an example of the stupidity for (You)s. Everyone has a purpose."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>But people still receive the same benefits form the sun whether or not they prayed.\nBack to my example >>16\n\n>>25\nIt depends on what you'd want to become. What you worship you become."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>I don't want to burn in hell\nUngrateful people go to a kind of hell, but temporarily."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYes, ingratitude to the actual God. Breaking the First Commandment simply to be a schmuck on a Mongolian knitting forum is the easiest way to do it."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>Breaking the First Commandment\nI'm not a jew or a golem so no thanks"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nI can't become the sun.\nAnd why would I want to? The sun will still give me its benefits."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nYou can become more like the Sun, but if you worship earth you'll become more like earth. If you worship demons you'll become more like demons ect"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>You can become more like the Sun\nYou literally can't.\nThis isn't Warhammer."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nOk that's your opinion. Are you an atheist?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIt's the truth.\nYou don't become more like the sun no matter how much you worship.\nYou won't become more spherical, gaseous, luminescent or hotter."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nI'm just interested, are you an atheist?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nNo.\nEven if I was that doesn't matter here."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">You will never be a real sun. You have no heat, you have no gas, you have no luminescence. You are a man twisted by autism and Warhammer into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nWhat do you believe in?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nI believe that man cannot become a sun."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nI'm sorry you feel that way"}, {"id": 42, "content": "REASONS TO WORSHIP THE INTERNET:\n\n\n• GIVES ACCESS TO NEWS, MAGAZINES, BLOGS, ESSAYS, TREATISES, AND LITERARY WORKS.\n\n• FACILITATES PLANETARY COMMUNICATION.\n\n• GIVES ACCESS TO UNLIMITED PORNOGRAPHY.\n\n• GIVES ACCESS TO ALL THE «MOVIES», AND TELEVISION SERIES, THAT HAVE EVER BEEN MADE.\n\n• GIVES ACCESS TO ALL THE MUSIC THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE.\n\n• FACILITATES PLANETARY SHOPPING.\n\n• FACILITATES PUBLICATION OF YOUR WORTHLESS OPINIONS, AND TRITE PLATITUDES, FOR THE WORLD TO WITNESS.\n\n\nWHAT IS STOPPING YOU?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nAnd if you worship the intenet, you'll become like it!"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nYou already worship the moors that raped your indio ancestors though"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nIf you worship technology you'll become technology. I don't want to become technology so I don't worship it. Simple."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nYou don't. That doesn't happen.You will not become a computer because you worship one."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nTranshumaism, nuralink"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNeuralink doesn't come into existence because its inventors worship computers. It becomes real when they make it become real, by building it."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIt wouldn't come into existence without everyone constantly online worshiping their phones that's called big data. They can't make ai without billions of gigs of user data. You're really not getting it."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>because its inventors worship computers.\nThey do"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>2\nIt literally created all life on this planet. That cannot be denied scientificially or theologically.\nThe sun is the closes thing to a God that actually exists. Which is why BPD hippy girls with their Sol and Gaia worship are actually correct in both science and from a theological standpoint."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nPeople don't worship their phones. They might use them alot, in fact too mich for their own good, but that's not worship. A drunkard doesn't worship alcohol or a bottle cap collector doesn't worship bottle caps.\n>>50\nEven if they did. Their ideas doesn't come into existence with prayer and worship."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nIs oxygen also a god?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nVayu or the wind is."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\n>People don't worship their phones. They might use them alot, in fact too mich for their own good, but that's not worship. A drunkard doesn't worship alcohol or a bottle cap collector doesn't worship bottle caps.\nThere is unconscious worship and conscious worship"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nSo is Ilmarinen."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nWhere is the line between liking something and unconsciously worshipping it?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nAttention"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nGardening?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nThat's Agni"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>25\nDidn't the sun technically create all of the matter in our solar system when it came into existence itself?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nChecked"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have never seen the sun, hence its not real."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nThere's stuff from outside the solar system around."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nTouch grass first"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>51\n>The sun is the closes thing to a God that actually exists\nNot a god though. Just near it (somehow)."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>61\nNot at all. The material that formed the sun and the rest of the solar system was accreted from dust and debris floating around. Such is the soience, let us pray"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nIt's a God. The God is ultimately unknowable."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni know the fact that sun is just a lifeless object in the sky"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>God is ultimately unknowable\nWhy bother with religion then?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nYou believe. Thank the science!"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\n>Why bother respecting your parents?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt least Sun actually exists."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Christians in such denial that their religion is dying out? The world has never been as secular as it is now and the chances of a major religious revival ever happening again are slim to none.\n>b-but people said that before!\nWhen? Also, the modern world is very different from how it was for 99.9% of history so saying \"people said it would happen before and it didn't\" in the face of a major change like this just seems like a cope."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's growing....\n\nIn Africa"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the world has never been as secular\n>percentage of Americans\n>85% belong to a religion\nPick one"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>the religions in question"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAfro-Christian syncretic movements, like those found in Africa and Haiti, have much more soul than mainstream Christianity - but they're also far from monotheistic (even if they insist they are)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAs if Christcuckery itself isn't with multiple god's like Yahweh and the devil then angels which are like demigods."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI was atheist/agnostic/irreligious my entire life and recently converted to Eastern Orthodoxy after careful deliberation.\nI think you severely underestimate the pendulum's momentum, because I am far from the only one. The destruction of cultural identity in the west is pushing people who otherwise would have never accepted religion into searching for their symbolism outside the fruitless consumerism that's been subverted upon them.\nMale youth are particularly open to a religion that speaks to them in a world devoid of meaning, and they are indeed searching for it.\nThink-tank statistics mean nothing. As state sanctioned consumerist religion becomes the norm, groups like the Amish, Orthodox Christians, LDS Church etc will thrive while the amorphous masses devalue their newly minted demographic."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>I was atheist/agnostic/irreligious my entire life and recently converted to Eastern Orthodoxy\nStopped reading there."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIt's common for the demoralized to put blinders on."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy are you in denial that everything is dying out, the end of all things is near, people in the last days will be lovers of their own self, lovers of pleasure, instead of lovers of God"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nTechnically you could argue Christianity is henotheistic given that the Bible does acknowledge the existence of other Gods besides YHVH.\n\nExodus 15:11\n>Who among the Gods is like you, LORD? Who is like you— majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?\n\nIt's also important to remember that YHVH originally had a Goddess consort, Asherah, whose worship was later outlawed.\n\nDeuteronomy 16:21\n>Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole next to the altar you will build for the LORD your God\n\nWhat's more, some descriptions of YHVH are more or less directly lifted from the Ugaritic Ba'al Cycle.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZECezMYug8c [Embed]\n\nEven the name \"El\" in the Bible originally referred to the Highest God of the Canaanite pantheon, with Elohim originally meaning \"children of El\" (which YHVH originally was conceived as)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThis is also true of me but... I am 49 years old and will probably never have children.\nThe future belongs to those who procreate for the future, which isn't me, and might not be you."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nDefeat is born within the self. It is seeded by malicious forces. So to does the self have the power to turn this defeat into inspiration. Accept the light.\nYou are not feeble nor useless, and the future is dependent on all of us. If you draw breath, you can make a change in this world.\nI believe in you, I believe in your dreams, and I know you can accomplish anything you need to."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, those Christians are idiots. How could they ever hope to take hold in our society? Glorious Caesar will be lord of Rome forever, not their Jesus."}, {"id": 15, "content": "wise in evil\nor\nwise in good"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not dying out. Jesus said only few will find the narrow gate. This is just fake Christians getting bored with it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat do you mean? Africa is exploding."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\n>statistics don't mean anything but random groyper zoomers on tiktok claiming that they retvrned to christianity becuase they hate trannies? That's important"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>random groyper zoomers on tiktok claiming that they retvrned to christianity becuase they hate trannies? That's important\nWhile this doesn't apply to my conversion, you and I both know that's important and extremely dangerous for the people who seek to keep them hollow. This is why it is the first thing that comes to your mind."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>let's make a shitty graph where 10% decrease over two decades looks like 90% decrease\nyou're going to hell btw"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm too drunk to make a graph of the OP being a faggot.\n>It's 100%.\n\nShit."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\nI bet that all sounded really smart in your head zoomie"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nI’m not a zoomer and I am confident in my beliefs as I have now lived plenty long enough to reflect. Those with identity and belief survive as the formless are always controlled by the formed.\nYour combative, thoughtless response is a knee jerk reaction to a harsh unfolding truth. Religion, not just mine, will strengthen in rebellion of anti-religion."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nThis, kek. Atheists are desperate"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's not dying, we're weeding out the false Christians\na lot of people have pretended to be Christian when it was in the favour of society, but now that degeneracy is in favour, most people would rather choose sin than salvation\nthe good Christians today are like the saints we read about from centuries long past"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>7\n>I was atheist/agnostic/irreligious my entire life and recently converted to Eastern Orthodoxy after careful deliberation\nyou're still an atheist, you're just embarrassed by how intellectually depraved the atheists are"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nBesides the moral reassurance and healthy collectivization that comes with religion, the tangible prophetic insights gives credence to there being something more than the material and this I am sure of.\nI am an atheist no longer, and you do not tell me otherwise.\nFurthermore they aren’t just intellectually depraved, they are morally depraved. Their rejection of humanity is leading to indescribable horrors. They subscribe to nothing more than themselves, therefore will gladly (or unknowingly) accept the mark of the beast."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Their rejection of humanity is leading to indescribable horrors.\nBut you can describe them. We both know that you're talking about trannies, and that this is the reason why you're ortholarping."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI am wholly against trannyism but that is merely a step in the direction of the kind of evil I am speaking of, simple fool."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nSorry, I should've been more clear. The only reason you're ortholarping are trannies and the slippery slope from trannies that only exists in your head."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don’t think Christians have by in large denied that our faith is declining (at least by population proportion) in the West."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nYou said nothing new, just reiterated what you previously said. You aren’t an experiment, you are a divine being and this body is your vessel. If you allow demons to inhabit you, they will.\nSave your soul."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>>>/tg/"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>3\nEver heard of the phrase: \"non-practicing?\""}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>7\n>Male youth are particularly open to a religion that speaks to them in a world devoid of meaning, and they are indeed searching for it.\nNot in real life. Most boys just like to play vidya and post memes about crusaders.\nt: boy\nAlso, how many icons do you own?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nAs you wander through time, the warning signs will glow brighter. Best not ignore them lest you’re blinded.\nI wish you the best in life."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\n>save your soul\n>by worshipping the demiurge"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>>>/tg/\n>>>/x/\n>twomoreweeks.jpg"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nMy words are patent to me and made for you. Your responses are canned, fearful and petty.\nI am more than you."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nYou can find increasingly verbose ways to say \"two more weeks\", but that won't make your doomsaying any more true."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nYou are devoid of your own thoughts. You are a reaction to the energies, you produce none yourself. As far as this image board is concerned, you are the bottom of the barrel regurgitating the lowest hanging fruits. Do you know who you are? Say something to me worthwhile. If you were capable of such a thing, you would have already.\nYou exist only to pollute, a soldier for entropy."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nIt's hard to find an original response to flimsy claims that have been repeated over and over again for thousands of years. You and your ilk will continue marching with \"the end is nigh\" cardboard signs and a deranged look in your eyes and you will continue getting called a schizo as the generations that are not supposed to pass away keep passing away."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nSomebody who believes in the heat death of the universe simultaneously believes that the end will never come.\nSomeone who “larps” as an intellectual far beyond the confines of religion, posting on the history and humanities board, does not believe in malicious forces who are purely motivated by control who seek to mislead your “free will”.\nThe end comes for us all. Will you be ready?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nTwo more weeks, my based INRIpede."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>26\n>intellectually depraved the atheists are\nWhat?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>7\nAmericans who convert to Catholicism or Orthodoxy are the cringiest LARPers on this board."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nShalom, soldier (:"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>2\nNigeria seems to be speedrunning Western history trying to catch up, they already have atheist groups there."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>speedrunning\nSo they are trannies already?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nDo you fags think about anything other than trannies? It's not even just 4chan, 99% of the Christian videos on YouTube, Instagram and TikTok are about fags or trannies. Some Evangelical pastor even claimed that the famous demons of the Bible like Leviathan and Belial were meant to symbolize the LGBT. The whole religion has gone completely off the rails."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nThe joke is that speedrunning is a tranny hobby you humorless wart lol."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nDepends on how hard they'll try to copy Western homosexual and non-binary identities, revive/remember their own or seek to form their own modern expressions out of thin air.\n\nLike the modern LGBT umbrella despite the contributions of many black and hispanics into it early on is pretty white and middle/upper class in terms of visibility. If you are black (and Africa) and gay and you work abroad in various spaces you will see some grade A racism thrown at you by your \"allies\" in even the most \"safest\" of spaces."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>11\nEvery nigger with two neuron firings knows that those are demons and not gods.\nPagan deities are either powerless man made idols or high ranking fallen angels (mainly principalities)"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nYou're forgetting that Canaanite polytheism predates Abrahamic monotheism. The idea of a singular God wasn't what the original Jews believed in. Therefore to call the father of YHVH in mythology \"just another demon\" is kind of a self-defeating argument"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>48\nMuslims are growing in Nigeria"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nMuslims are only growing because of high birthrates, conversions to Islam are pretty much non-existent. Conversions to Christianity/Atheism are much more common in Africa. I wonder if we'll see a RETVRN TO TRADITION movement emphasizing African tribal religions like what you see in the US."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nwhat retarded bullshit lmao are you even trying"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>7\n10-15 years ago, you and guys like you would have been fedora-wearing militant atheists. I spent a lot of time arguing with those types and you guys have the exact same manner of speech, phrasing, autism, etc.\n\nYou're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. If you lived in a nation that was majority Orthodox, you would never have dreamed of converting. If you didn't have internet access and hadn't spent so much time on /pol/, you would never have dreamed of converting.\n\nIf you had any true faith, you wouldn't have waited until the issue became so politicized that you could pretend to be \"picking a side\" by choosing a religion. You're an embarrassment and you'll be back to being an atheist in another 10 years once this fad (and we both know that it is a fad for young, right wing, politically-focused men to sign up for the most \"based and redpilled\" version of christianity available) wears out."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo much about religion has been disproven these last few centuries i genuinely don't understand how there are still ''''people'''' who believe in this garbage in 2023\n\n>god is actually le bearded man in the sky watching over you\n>god created everything\n>the universe is just a few thousand years old\n>talking snakes n shieet\nTheres much more but christcucks will cope saying its metaphors or misinterpretations"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>39\nTell me not, this is 100% fedora energy\nYou losers thought atheism was what people made fun of when they were laughing at dudes in trench coats and fedoras speaking like enlightened gentlemen.\nNo, you are the weirdo, they were laughing at you. Converting to Christianity didn’t change the fact that you’re a weird nerd"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're in denial because they're fucking morons. Why else?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\nRead a book dumbass\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Origins-Biblical-Monotheism-Polytheistic-Background/dp/0195167686"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\nIt really boils your blood for someone to find faith. That makes you a specific kind of agent, because even when I was irreligious I cared little for someone’s spiritual beliefs.\nIf I was raised with religion, or in an orthodox region of the world, you have no idea what my path would have been, nor do I. It’s not contrarianism to be repelled by evil, it’s survival instinct.\nFurthermore, I am not a young man. You make confident assumptions through your own ego."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>Jews were polytheistic at the beginning\nwow color me surprised it's literally in the Bible"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>11\n>originally\nNise assumptions there, nigger"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQuality over quantity. Do you want a tasty monastery made homebrew or Bud Light? Don't answer. We already know what trannies drink."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nSo niggers are the true enlightened Christians?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>17\n>>18\n>>19\n>>20\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>27\n>>28\n>>29\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\n>>38\n>>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>>42\n>>43\n>>44\n>>45\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>54\n>>55\n>>56\n>>57\n>>58\n>>59\n>>60\n>>61\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>66\n>>67\n>>>/pol/ please"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>7\nAs opposed to the historical state sanctioned religious consumerism of collectible saints, vacations at spurious pilgrimage destinations, of indulgence coupons, and personal recreation through counting of prayer beads?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nShut the fuck up annoying faggot"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nThis is the embodiment of smug basedjak."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>65\nSee\n>>64\nThe Old Testament literally says as much. Why do you think Abraham is such a big deal? Monotheism wasn't the norm"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The world has never been as secular as it is now and the chances of a major religious revival ever happening again are slim to none.\nThe percentage of atheists in the world is projected to decrease due to your abysmal birth rates."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>7\nI got secondhand embarrassment from this post."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nThere’s a word for that in German but it might cause you to burst into flames if you spoke it."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it has been prophesized. It is an other proof.\n\nWho cares about the numbers?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh no only 85% of Americans are religious! It's over christ bros...\n\nAlso just to let the fedoras know the world was more atheistic in the 20th century under communism than it currently is now"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">b-but, muh experts assured me, how could atheism die just a few hundred years later...\nYour children will sing psalms"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nChristbros, what the heck is this?!"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nOh no Christbros, we're only a majority of the US population...."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nIf you told anyone in 1970 that in 50 years only 63% of the population would identify as christians they'd think the US lost the cold war lol"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n>bragging about having 100+ million beaners and dagos in your country"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nThey did. Russia will remain a unified state while the United States collapses and Balkanizes. The Bolsheviks have killed their host."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nThe US did lose the cold warm\n>>82\nBetter coon than troon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "nuclear war"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe fall of the ussr and the rise of nazi germany"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nConsidering that the true \"historical 20th century\" started because Franz Ferdinand's driver made a wrong turn and stopped next to a bar where a Serbian anarchist was having a pint, I'd say the entire century could have gone a different way.\n\nFour absolute monarchies collapsed, millions of people died, the communist took power in Russia and the Nazis in Germany, ultimately because a Serbian autist fired a gun.\n\n\"The shot heard around the world\" indeed."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe relentless elitist driven racial muddying of the West after WWII."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Piotr Zychowicz stated in a November 2012 interview: \"This book is my answer to the question that all Poles ask. And the question is: did we have to bungle up World War II so badly? Did we have to lose half of our territory, together with Wilno and Lwów? Did we have to lose our elites, which were slaughtered? Did we have to lose millions of our citizens, murdered by totalitarian occupiers, the Germans and the Soviets? Did we have to lose our independence for 50 years? The answer to these questions is politically incorrect, because Poland was not doomed to fail. And the answer is included in my book, in which I write that history could have been different\".[1]\n\n>The webpage of the book states, \"In the history of nations there are moments when one has to bite the bullet and allow for painful concessions. To give up in order to save the nation from destruction, and its citizens from slaughter. This was the situation of Poland in 1939. Piotr Zychowicz claims in his book that the decision to enter the war against Nazi Germany in an illusive alliance with France and Great Britain, was a grave mistake, for which we paid a horrible price. History could have turned in a different way. Instead of biting off more than we could chew, we should have used realpolitik. We should have made concessions to Hitler, and agreed for annexation of the Free City of Danzig into the Third Reich, as well as for the construction of an extraterritorial highway across the Polish Corridor. And then, together with the Germans, we should have attacked the Soviet Union. Forty valiant divisions of the Polish Army, fighting on the Eastern Front would have sealed the fate of Stalin's empire\".[2]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">The author writes that by Poland not opposing Adolf Hitler in 1939, the Second World War starts on April 9, 1940 with a German attack on Western Europe. After capturing Paris and defeating Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and France, on June 21, 1941, the Wehrmacht, together with the Polish Army, invades the Soviet Union. By the winter of 1941-1942, the Soviet Union ceases to exist. Poland and Germany divide its territory, but soon, relationships deteriorate. Meanwhile, Germany continues to battle the United Kingdom and the United States. The war is costly; by 1944, all of the main units of the Wehrmacht are in Western Front fighting the Allies, who land in France in the summer of 1944. In those circumstances, The Poles begin secret negotiations with the British and American governments, eventually switching sides and attacking the Third Reich. As Zychowicz writes, \"At this point, Poland should have acted like Romania and Hungary in the late stages of World War II. Noticing German problems in the West, both countries initiated secret negotiations with the Allies. The British and the Americans gladly accepted the offer, understanding that it would weaken the potential of the Axis powers\".[3]\n\n>Finally, when the Third Reich prepares for a decisive battle in the West, the Polish Army invades Germany. Surprised, the Wehrmacht does not put up much resistance against the Poles, who capture Silesia, Prussia and Pomerania and cuts off all LOCs with the German units that had remained in the occupied SU. In August 1945, the Western Allies capture Berlin, and Hitler kills himself.\n\n>Poles clear the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia), which join the federation of Poland, Belarus and Ukraine: \"The dream of Marshall Józef Piłsudski has become reality. Poland emerges as Great power. During a peace conference, which takes place at Polish Baltic Sea spa of Jurata, Winston Churchill, Harry Truman and Edward Śmigły-Rydz discuss the future of Europe\".[4]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only difference that would have happened from that pact going through is Poland sharing the fate of the Czechs and eastern Poland probably still being sacrificed to make Ukrainian and Belarusian allied client states (Akin to Slovakia)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nUkraine and Belarus had never existed before. This would be more like sharing the fate of Romania and Hungary, except with the Polish addition, the Soviet Union would've collapsed, so no communism, and sovereignty afterward, eventually."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Dude just trust my artistic gay fetish interpretation of this skull"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis nigga crazy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe looks like an nfl player"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntsmt"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is that"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nan average meme reconstruction from twitter"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStill wrong"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nOp is not meant to be him stupid nigger"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are whites dying out so fast? The average Euro is an old granny today. Not a single European country has an above replacement fertility rate. All of their birth rates are abysmal."}, {"id": 2, "content": "(())"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nvagina?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nJews don't have magic Jew powers to decrease fertility rates."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nleast mentally ill white"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\ni was driving home one day after twilight in my car and suddenly everything got really dark. couldnt see anything in front of me and my windows started fogging up. i could still drive and would have in peace but every car that came at me down the road flashed their lights at me. every one. I have never been targeted before and this has shook me to my core. I cannot go outside nor drive my car. i do not know why the 'controllers' have suddenly decided to target me"}, {"id": 7, "content": "People are working more and starting a family isn't seen as appealing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMouse utopia experiment. I’m just not having kids: there I said it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Mouse utopia experiment.\nThat was done by putting mice in extremely crowded and mentally unsimulating pens."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Bread and circus\n>Liberalism\n>Feminism\n>Atheism\n>Pornography\n>Drugs\n>Degeneracy\n>Nihilism\n>Abortion\n>Birth control such as pills and condoms\n>Faggots\n>Trannies\n>Wageslaving\n>Urbanism\n>Etc.\nAll modern whites are neurotic, toxic retards."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>unstimulating\n>wall to wall other mice\nIt’s obviously a loose analogy but you can’t possibly be blind to the parallels"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nOh, and how can I forget?\n>Hedonism"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>12\nSo what's East Asia's excuse?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLatin America reached below replacement fertility in 2022. The entire world is gonna go this way, the reasons go beyond anything specific to Europe.\n\nLower fertility is a consequence of urbanization, better living standards and birth control. When you are a farmer, more kids means extra hands to work the land, they are an asset. When you are an urbanite middle class office drone, kids are an extra expense, a huge time investment and ultimately a liability.\n\nThe world as a whole is at 2.4 so Humanity itself may be below replacement pretty soon."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What did basal eurasians looked like?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExactly like your bait image. Anyone who disagrees is coping and I'm prepared to fling racial slurs rather than argue.\n\nNow go back to /int/ Pablo."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat traits do, medbugs, nafris, Arabians, lebs, caucasians, and iranians share? Well. Find the common denominators and you'll get your answer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nGoblinito hijra medbug ape whining italian, begone. This thread is interesting."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nspeak English and stop living on the internet you gigatroon"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nMonobrows, beady eyes, slight negroid tendencies, low iq, narrow palates, flat cheekbones, weak infraorbital eye rims, goblin ears.\n\nHoly shit they were literal goblins"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYes. They are the original somalid race. This is where certain bugs came from. A mixture of proto-somalids, alpines and mediterranids. Combines negroid traits to create false nordics"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSound even inferior to subsaharan africans. Must medbug goblinitos have a lot of that?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYes yes. Thats why they will never belong to europe.\nthe final objective is total goblinito alpine hijra extermination and replacement for the EHG race"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis that yakub?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike robust brown gigachads who crushed the bones of weak SS sissies raped their women and gave birth to pic rel"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSomalis are half natufian.\nNatufians are Taforalt black men on basal-Farmer brown arab sissy rapebabies"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNatufians are Semitic men who raped Africans into existence."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nSemites... no... afroasiatics overall are the reault of Black men raping arab-med women"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSemites... yes... memeasiatics is a 20th century meme category invented by europeans. Blacks and Berbers plot half way between their Semitic forefathers who blessed them with hg E and their pygmy foremothers who cursed them with mtdna L."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>>15\nTaforalts had Semitic mt-dna U and african Ydna E.\nNotice how natufians are in between arabs-meds (anatolians) and africans? They are octoroons. The whole semitic race is the result of black men and arab/med women"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody can actually answer this question until you define wtf you even mean by \"basil European\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nTbqh the only thing I see is that the oldest E carriers lived in the Levant and plot with Middle Easterners while modern E carriers plot half-way between Natufians and pygmies.\n\nIt seems that pygmy women were addicted to the the BBC - Big Brown Cock."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThis is how pygmy women looked back then."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nThe most basal clade of E is from the black men in taforalt cave. Morocco.\nIt means that the oldest carriers of E are black men and modern brown cucks are the octoroon mestizo rapebabies of black men and med arabic women."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nActually the oldest E carriers are Semitic men from Israel who look exactly like modern Semites such as Yemenis, Saudis, Bedouins. Meanwhile the oldest R carriers are from Uralic men in Mongolia who plot halfway between Chinese and Caucasian people such as Natufians and Arabs, meaning that Europeans are the rapebabies of hapa men, making them quapas."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>the white race was fathered by a paleothic supreme gentleman\nwhite bros... not like this..."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI dont care about europeans so idk.\nOldest E is from taforalt, which emans all afroasiatics and afroasiatic language family comes from black mulatto men. Making the whole of them quadroons\nIn the best of cases ofc.\nSorry sister. You were fathered by black bvlls"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nNope. The oldest E is from Raqefet, Israel and plots with his Semitic descendants while the oldest R is from Mal'ta–Buret, Siberia and plots with other hapas.\n\nThere's no way around it, quapa sister, you were fathered by the OG Elliot Rodger."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nSister. The oldest E clade is that on taforalts. The most basal one on existence. It means that taforalt bantu men migrated in the UP towards the levant and created natufians by fucking the already quadroons arab women.\nIn turn they ceeated the mulatto (mostly subsaharid) race known as afroasiatic MENA\nForver slaves for the J caucasian bvlls"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, that's a natufian-dinka mix"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\nTaforalt has negroid E1b y-dna, joseph"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>15\nYana actually clusters near Iran_N/Hotu?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nTaforalt boys were younger and belong to a clade (E-M78) downstream of the Natufian clades: E-P2, E-M215, E-M35. Taforalt boys were merely the rapebabies of Paleolithic Semitic rapists.\n\nCaucasian bvcks have been broken by their Semitic massas. They follow their culture, speak their language, worship their gods, fight over which E1b1b gods is the right one, and faithfully do everything the E1b1b books say."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>21\n>>20\n>>15\nJoseph posts.\n>>23\n>>16\nMordvix/Paki mutt posts."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nSemitic sissy mulatto Bucks have been slaves for J CHG men since time inmemorial, the most basal subclades of E? al in the western side of africa.\n\n\nIts clear E and afroasiatic languages were spread by black men and semitic wombs."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nSemitic Bvlls conquered CHGroid quapas and ANEoid hapas, then took their most beautiful women as concubines and fucked the others just enough to make any children born of their wombs Natufian-like (Caucasoid) thanks to microchimerism which is why Euros and Caucasians look Semitic despite being descended from ancient hapas.\n\nANE and CHG will never be able to compete against Semitic chads because the ruler and creator of the universe, Yahweh, the E1b tribal god decreed that the copy can never be better than the original.\n\n\nHere are some little known facts about haplogroups:\n\nThe oldest E samples? All in the Levant. The most basal E samples? All in the Levant & Arabia.\n\nThe oldest R samples? All in Siberia. The most basal R samples? All in Siberia."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nIt gets worse once you go upstream of R btw. P is Negrito-Mongoloid and K is Abo."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nthere is no basal K other than ust ishim"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>most basals clades of E found in Mota, enslaved African americans, Guanches and kenyans\n>most basal J: Found in CHG\n\npygmybros... not like this. it can't be... we are the offspring of black men and semitic wombs that got bleached by J men..... our origin is that of bucks"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nNatufian-Saami hapa sisters... i thought that we wuz da real semitz n da true kangz of egypt...\n\n>Unexpectedly, a member of haplogroup J1-M267 is found among eastern hunter-gatherers from Karelia, Northeast Europe living~8.3 kya67.\nOrigin and diffusion of human Y chromosome haplogroup J1-M267"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>9\n>Med\n>Somalis\n>Arabs\n>Alpine\nWat"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What did basal eurasians looked like?\nexactly like your image\n\n>>19\ndid plastic surgery and photoshop exist back then?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nArabians?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>9\nI'm assuming you will exterminate yourself as well for having basal Eurasian ancestry and not being more than 35 percent EHG."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>33\nDo you have a graph like this for K Y-DNA?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>9\nI hope Ukrainians kill many of you mongoloid russmuttian subhumans."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nthings like that don't happen to aryans, sorry! main ancestry is hiperborean for me!\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 6.0935% / 0.06093472\n43.8 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n42.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n7.0 GEO_CHG\n6.8 Wales_Meso_WHG"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nTarget: Tajik_Rushan\nDistance: 3.3438% / 0.03343788\n19.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n14.8 GEO_CHG\n14.6 CHN_Tarim_EMBA1\n13.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n12.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n12.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n10.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n3.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTajiks for comparison"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nYou are a russian/tatar/uralic mutt not swedish."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nLas mutterinos centroasiatic"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>32\nChurkasisters... not like this.."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>19\n>short\n>squat\n>bigbooba\n>bigbunda\n>3’2”\n>gets held down and ran through by tall muscular heavy browed Jebel Irhoods\nHot"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>21\nOldest R men are ANE who are archaic Europeans."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>32\nAncestor to E is in Africa, ancestor to R is in Paleolithic south Europe.\n\nblack BVLLs ran a train on Semites.\nSemitics then were invaded by Caucasians who totally replaced their nigger fathers with Caucasian ones."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>33\nP has never been found in the andamanese\nThey are 100% D and the “P” on Yfull is extremely low res. The Canary island P* is higher res than the asiatic one."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>ANE who are archaic Europeans.\nlol\nlmao even"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nSalkhit has one relative, a proto-WHG living in south Europe.\nShe is closer to Africans than to easterlings btw. The ANE = east is thoroughly debunked."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>43\n>that dogshit fit\nNot a serious model. Post your coordinates."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n> >that dogshit fit\nLmao, such a retard."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\n75% cro-magnon 25% jomon\nYes."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nNo need to sign your posts faggot."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You’re having unga-bunga sex with your bunga-bae prior to the birth of Christ. Where did you decide to copulate and what environmental hazards can you expect? How shall you avoid these dangers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey used to use sheep intestines as condoms. Sometimes they’d even kill the sheep first"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this a stealth cuck fetish thread?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>he doesn’t know that this is the kind of question you’d see on a burger anthropology exam"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>my partner\n\nlol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If market socialism was so great, why did Yugoslavia have to take out so many IMF loans?\n\nI mean, market socialism worked for China, but for some reason didn't work for Yugoslavia\n\nInb4 lazy southern european balkan work ethic"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">market socialism\nNo such thing exist\nThe market requires production coming from privately owned means of production. \"Communal\" aka state owned business are bound to fail."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe republics were run like petty kingdoms after Tito died and they took out massive loans to essentially enrich themselves and create random prestige projects that had no possible way of returning value.\n\nYugoslavia in many ways collapsed with the death of Tito and a lot of the problems afterwards can be seen in scheming powergrabbers cutting out their own turfs. The laws gave the republics lots of autonomy so without the leadership of Tito central/federal power was constantly snubbed and ignored."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Da sneeky joos caugh them in a debt trap, then manipulated them into slaughtering each other.\n\nThey love it when a plan comes together."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHow come communism, an ideology of collective rule, always centres around an individual?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>serbcucks start taking advantage of their control over the Yugoslavian army to dictate what the other ethnicities could do\n>others don't like it\n>serbcucks chimp out\n>it was da joos!!1"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>market socialism worked for China\nChina and Yugoslavia were very different. China has basically returned to free market capitalism, with some limited state intervention in the economy. Yugoslavia was a full command economy where they allowed a market system and some independent cooperatives, they got much less into economic reform than the Chinks."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>literally live hand-to-hand in peace and love for 40 years\n>suddenly their hearts are filled with hate, they want to separate by any means available, especially violence\nOnly the chosen people can be behind such scheming."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>literally live hand-to-hand in peace and love for 40 years\nthey weren't, they were just more preoccupied with the central government rather than the other ethnicities\n>suddenly their hearts are filled with hate\nIt wasn't sudden at all, the issues of late communist yugoslavia just opened up old wounds and the politicians from the various republics were quick to fearmonger, for better or worse."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThen why didn't the Baltics and the rest of Eastern Europe descend into genocide? There were old ethnic tensions everywhere."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>literally live hand-to-hand in peace and love for 40 years\nUnder a dictatorship that suppressed anyone who thought differently.\n>suddenly their hearts are filled with hate, they want to separate by any means available, especially violence\nThem wanting to separate had more to do with their disagreements over how Yugoslavia should be ran, they got violent once they started disagreeing over how they should split."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All of the Sultans were born to slave mothers, normally of either Georgian, Greek, Albanian, or Circassian descent. This carried down through the generations. This means the Turkish blood would have been completely diluted by the end, right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurkishness is a cultural/linguistic construct. It has no genetic backing."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkino coat of arms"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis. Americans are retarded."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the difference between philosophy and religion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion claims divinity while philosophy doesn't"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">God performs all kinds of spectacular miracles in ancient history\n>he conveniently stops since cameras were invented\n..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nchristcucks\n>thats because God is testing us! Muh freewill\n\nBible verse please."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe stopped in the 1st-century as soon as Jew missionaries left Judaea with the theological disease they sought to infect native Europeans with."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho are you quoting?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Am I the only person that thinks the performance of the Portuguese in the Portuguese Colonial War was nothing short of amazing? I mean, a country the size of Maine with the population of New Jersey managed to fight a 3 theatre, noncontiguous, decade plus war across Africa and WIN in the two largest theaters.\nAnd this was while it's enemies received strong support from neighboring regimes as well as Soviet and American support. And the country was largely an international pariah with no support apart from a couple friendly regimes in Africa."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Life is best when lived irreversibly; yet not having a routine is a privilege few have, and even less live like a movie or animal, that is in constant motion and consequential change. We all who read this will die ordinary men doing ordinary things\n\nPic unrelated"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What feels ancient to you"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDark Ages.\nFrom IV century to X century, that apocalyptic era seems ancient and great to me."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe pre Ghenghis Khan world"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis this some trick question?\nIsnt it obviously before the fall of the Western Roman Empire?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Anything before the rise of islam. The Sassanids shouldn't exist within the middle ages"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Your mom"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTimes when I felt full of vigor and happiness"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Honestly? The whole precolombian world"}, {"id": 9, "content": "To me its anything before Rome. Rome more or less set into motion the events that would eventually culminate into the modern world"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Haploautism is science, not history"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe point of haploautism is to track ancient migrations. It is history and prehistory."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How much sex did Spanish had with mexican women?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "marriage certificates all exist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nmarriages don't imply the absence of rape"}, {"id": 4, "content": "how do you even get a country that is 50-60% amerindian autosomally but 12% Paternally? did they just murdered 5 native guys for each women they groomed?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWomen pass on their genes more."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Let’s say you’re a merchant from some duchy in the HRE in the high to late Middle Ages. You want to sell some shit to someone in a neighboring duchy, or you want to sell shit to someone in France or Poland during peace time. Do you have to pay any lord/duke/king/emperor?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Fennoswedes take over Finland?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was pre-Islamic Anatolia like?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were serial killers prevalent throughout human history or are they a 20th century phenomenon?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why have Russians always had historically bad relations with their neighbors?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If these crackers can literally become human flesh, then a man can become a woman. Deal with it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">trannies are transubstantiated into women"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHas to be leavened because Christ is Risen\nSorry tranny"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nTRANSUBSTANTIATION IS A SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENON OF DIVINE CAUSE; TRANSEXUALITY, AND TRANSGENDERISM, ARE ANTINATURAL PHENOMENA: MAKEBELIEVE, AND PHYSICAL MUTILATION, OF HUMAN CAUSE.\n\nCHOKE ON IT."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nTrannies are divine. It’s what my religion says."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You vill partake in ritual cannibalism or go to hell"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Good thing I’m no papist"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody is going to die for your hormone treatment and penectomy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nJust when you thought nothing would make you beg for the return of the Inquisition, and not just the historical Inquisition, but the meme tier sadistic monsters of the popular concept of the Spanish Inquisition."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nPoor snowflake cant handle some divine transsexuals in his life"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>t. chuddo maximo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are there so many incels in the West despite pic related?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nwhy italy is 3 in first pic but 11.8 in second?\nseems like there is sample bias going on"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nstop asking questions get outraged and ready for the next outrage"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>retard cant read"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWomen are dishonest and don't give their true body counts so people won't realise they're filthy whores and sluts. The numbers are likely far higher than what they are. Modern western women would make the whores of Babylon blush in shame."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The hijra Kashtriya death squads are real\nTroonwitch sisters... not like this"}, {"id": 2, "content": "none of these words are in the bible"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nLol I knew half of you christcucks were bots"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why have Germans always been so weird?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermans are a noble but warlike people. They need to pick their battles more wisely"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGrowing up made me realize that the barbarians were superior to rome."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkek did you make this? first time seeing it.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoLIU2NI66w [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where are you from?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "you are from reddit"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Bihar"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHyperborea"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHello sir. Jai Shri Buddha."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I am from Chennai originally, but now I live in California.\n\n>>3\nSup."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Going to college rn in Lahore."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndiana"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Moved recently to Hyderabad"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI was born in Mishriwala but moving to Ludhiana to be doing the work in phone sales."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtlantis"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n>>7\n>>9\n>>10\nGood morning gentlemen"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSalerno"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMichigan"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour mom's pussy, bitch."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nHey I’m in Chennai too!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBotswanaland"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUttar Pradesh"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is is the German word for kommissar often translated as commissioner and not... you know.."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDer Kommissar geht um! oh oh oh!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nkek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If God is real explain this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe got rich through nft. so God did gave him something at least"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat the hell is even that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIt's what cockroaches on an isolated island evolve into"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's an ubermensch"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMalnourished people aren't of God. He has nice black combed hair, nice dark ice, skin at this poor quality of image is hard to tell. He has no muscles and has had eating disorder for his entire life.\nHe has a racer gaming chair which is fine but they wear out over the years and not everyone likes their lack of comfort features, they mostly are for sitting up and working. If he sits in that , then he might be a PC gamer that plays with Mouse + Keyboard. You don't need smaller arms to be better at StarCraft (ESLs), in fact bigger muscled arms helps you.\nThis is why Christians in America were cowboys and pioneers that hunted wild meat and ate beef from cows, milked them for milk, harvested eggs from chickens, wool and milk from sheep, and goats, and used mules and cows to plow fields for vitamin C and plant essential oils due to lack of immune building nutrients in meats. Btw it isn't Christian's fault who shipped teas as dried herbs in packets and who tried to tax them for it. Silk road and China mainly is responsible for not teaching the world about God through Jesus Christ, so it became a curse, not teaching people about raw living herbs that still contain their juices/essential oils that people need for miracles.\nGod said if you don't believe that they are His power, then it will be cursed.\nWhy do you think Jesus came and only healed those who believed he is God's Son for his miracles to work? Literally the definition of why.\nLike WinQoole99.exe would be a miracle from God instead of some stupid picture of people playing counter strike 1.6 in the late 90s."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou might not like it but this is what peak performance looks like"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what did this liberal jew mean by this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"US bad but everyone else worse so we gotta stick with the US\"\nThat's what he meant."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan you at least link the article ?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "What's a liberal."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPeople who give me dirty looks for wanting to kill niggers and revoke people's rights."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat’s correct, enslavement is the liberal position on niggers. Only mentally ill communists believe in nigger equality."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nWhere's the smash cut to sex?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nIs there a historical reason as to why I want to bury my dick in between those giant funbags, cum like a rocket, and never see that woman again?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. Zizek is a lib"}, {"id": 10, "content": "zizek is a hack fraud who worked to end communism in yugoslavia than when it became capitalist he turned back into being a communist\n\nmultipolarity is happening no matter what, even elites are admitting it.\n\nhttps://unherd.com/thepost/christine-lagarde-the-world-is-turning-multipolar/"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>tfw no bpd titcow gf"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nAnyone giant faggot OP doesn’t like"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It's easier to control one, monopolar, superpower than it would be to try to control even a majority of the great powers in a 'Multipolar' world."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could the DPRK have united all of Korea before the US/UN could respond if the Chinese had joined in the initial invasion rather than waiting until the west came to the Yalu?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No, the US forces could have held out in Pusan indefinitely."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah."}, {"id": 4, "content": "probably. The US came within a hair’s breadth of losing grip on the Pusan Perimeter which would have meant a withdrawal from the Korean Peninsula altogether, which they were very seriously planning for. If the North Koreans had been even 12 hours faster at Taejon (the delay taking the city gave Walker *just* enough time to build a defensive line at Pusan), the Reds probably would have broken through. Add a couple (dozen?) Chinese divisions to the mix and the US probably would have decided to pack it in and take a stand against Asian communism elsewhere."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nImagine if the ROK government fled to Jeju and turned into some ultra-shitty version of Taiwan, that would have been funny."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah definitely"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThat was unironically the plan. The US was secretly planning to gather up 100-200,000 anticommunist Koreans along with the ROK government and move them to either a US territory or Jeju if the Norks broke through at Pusan. then Syngman Rhee found out about the plan and REEEEEd until the US decided to can it and preserve the South."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes but this level of inadherence to what the countries had previosuly agreed on would have caused a much larger crisis within the UN."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHow would it be inadherence when the UN refused to recognize the PRC?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did whipipo historically get skin cancer? If so what did they call it back then? Is scin cancer on huwhites just a modern issue?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSkin cancer rates have increased since the 1980s because of the hole in the Ozone layer allowing more harmful UV rays."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIs that why or is it all the shitty skin products marketed to wipipo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEurope isn't really that sunny and the earth has warmed a bit since the end of the last ice age which is when we probably evolved to become white people in the first place however we have historically lived in deserts even in neolithic times, probably people weren't out tanning, spent far more time in the water and usually wore protective clothes outdoors like you see even non-whites people doing today. Greece is straight up hot as fuck sometimes from what I've heard with far less tree cover than most of Europe had. Plus, having a bunch of kids means it doesn't matter even if you did die early from sun radiation so far as passing on your genes is concerned. Idk if they knew what it was or had a name for it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. They called it Cancer."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>They called it Cancer\nNo one knew what cancer was a hundred or so years back\n\n>>4\nIt's just I've never heard skin cancer described in any historical accounts. I wonder what they would have called it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI got sunburn once. I'm too brown to have noticed it though so when my body began molting I just assumed I had some skin melting disease."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nNo, I live in Ushuaia (southern tip of South America), we are very close to Antarctica and the Ozone Layer hole and people here know you can't take much sunlight without using sunscreen because it's actually dangerous. The climate here is either very cold in winter or cool at best in summer so we don't take much sunlight either way but we generally wear sunscreen in summer.\n\nIt's a worldwide problem btw, the Ozone is depleted all over the world it's just that the depletion is more concentrated around Antarctica. (Hence the term \"hole\")."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nThey inherited from Neanderthals a gene (BNC2) that makes them more sensitive to the sun, add to that the fact that skin cells divide A LOT faster and way more than normal cells (no hayflick limit) and you get a higher rate of skin cancer due to a combination of DNA damage caused by exposure to UV rays and a high mutation rate.\nftfm"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>It's a worldwide problem btw, the Ozone is depleted all over the world it's just that the depletion is more concentrated around Antarctica.\nThat's scary maybe you're right"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is a liberal?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“Liberal” and “liberalism” are a bit vague, but generally, those term refer to people that value personal, political, and economic liberty."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople who thinks individuals are more important than the group"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWouldn’t it often be more accurate to say that they believe individual liberty benefits the group?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Only the lowest of low Ts would not"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBong genetics"}, {"id": 4, "content": "bourbons and habsburgs\nwhich one was more inbred?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nEL «MUSEO DEL PRADO» DEJANDO SU MARCA DE ORINA SOBRE LA IMAGEN."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What historical events prior to 1933 does this image best personify?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMen for sufferage"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe CSA"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The USA"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">thou shalt not commit adultery\n>every single European noble from the medieval and modern period had at least one mistress\n>Muslims raid every neighboring region from day one for sex slaves"}, {"id": 2, "content": "rules are for poorfags"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSucks for them. Christendom was always a meme. There's only been a small remnant in each generation. When Jesus said \"Enter the narrow gate\" he meant it. When Paul likened the Christian life to an athlete who needed to train, he meant it. When St. Athanasius said that hell's roads are paved with the skulls of even bishops, he meant it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Stupid question but do you think Ancient pagans of any Indo-European variety REALLY believed in their gods on average, as though they were truly divine? I’ve seen and read many theories or I guess rather estimations that the heroes and gods served as stand-ins for people that performed memorable feats in pre-history who’s name was forgotten with time, this isn’t a conscious thing but a natural occurrence, which is often why the nature of two cognate gods would seemingly fill a completely different role in another culture’s pantheon; (tyr-zeus)."}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's a good question. Not much to go on, they certainly acted like believers in most historical material - but who's to say what that represents, really. I think plato's dialogues makes it clear that there was ambiguity even back then... people probably always thought, \"myths may or may not be true literally, but they are true figuratively, and there's definitely something up there.\""}, {"id": 3, "content": "Mythology was drama for NPCs, the same way today people literally believe what happened in the Bible or Quran. Those tales provided a simple moral compass and scary beings for people to worship and revere. For learned people, or at least people who studied these things in the mystery schools, they understood that these mythological tales were allegories, symbolic of secret teachings that unlock the mysteries of the universe. For example the story of Persephone being dragged down to Hades is analogous to man´s (Persephone) fall from divinity (Demeter) and entrapment in the \"lower\" material world (Hades, the dark ignorant Underworld). Her allowance to stay with Demeter for some part of the year in the upper world before descending once more is further symbolic of the cycles of life and death, and the struggle within to break the karmic cycle."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, they really believed, because the ancestors from whom their beliefs were transmitted were around during the times of celestial upheaval when the Gods were openly SEEN in the skies.\nThe theories that the Gods were based on historical figures is just euhemerization. The reality is that the Gods, yes even Yahweh, are based on the transmitted memories from a time when the planets were in close proximity to the Earth, and the electrical interactions between them were seen as the divine drama in the Heavens, and the mythic model for kings and the lines of kings.\n\nThe question of: did they believe the Gods were real, thus becomes mostly irrelevant. But they were SINCERE in their beliefs, and they KNEW the power of the Gods.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/t7EAlTcZFwY [Embed]\n\nGet some learning on the Electric Universe."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy would they go through so much trouble if they thought it was all fake?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think actual belief in the divine is a thoroughly modern phenomenon."}, {"id": 7, "content": "considering that they used to do human and animal sacrifices I would say they did believe yes. Terrible waste of livestock if a larp"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBut wasn’t the animal sacrifice largely so they could look at its liver or something and divine weather or not they should do something like go to war? Couldn’t it just serve as a justification to go to war or not to? You know? Like 9/11?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, they believed in gods and ghosts n shit. Your atheistic materialism is a mostly modern phenomenon outside of radicals like Democritus"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNo, that was a different thing entirely. Sacrifices were for the gods. Divination was not a form of sacrifice generally."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\nYes anon all those temples built and people they sacrificed was all for the LOLZ"}, {"id": 12, "content": "sad fedora LARPagan cope is sad\n\nyour attitude towards divinity is an aberration, through all of human history belief is the norm"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nOp here, I’m Presbyterian. Hope you’re not talkin to me."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably similar to pagan greece and rome. gods were generally believed to be real beings that were to be feared/respected, though many also will think they could be cheated or swindled, and some wouldn't believe in them. atheists were usually who got blamed when things were bad for \"angering the gods\" so people usually weren't public with atheism."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nOp here. Well greek temples served often as communal centers and were often the site of athletic pan-Hellenic games, people didn’t just chill there prostrating before a statue as it seems you think they did. Your cunty attitude is undeserved."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThe church also had secular uses, by your logic people in the Middle Ages also didn’t believe in god"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nthats one example, think about all the religious articles which serve no practical purpose whatsoever, like totems, amulets, and picrel (norse heathens apparently carried these around in their pockets to signify their belief in the old gods)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOn average they probably believed in them, but it was not an unknown idea that the \"gods\" are just humans immortalized through myth. The likes of Euhemerus (3rd century BC) and Diodorus Siculus (1st century BC) were major proponents of this idea.\n\nIn fact, Euhemerus writes of there being a place venerated as the tomb of Zeus, who according to him was a Cretan king."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWhich communal secular uses were medieval churches built for? (I don’t want some strained example of some after the fact utility one church served somewhere)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nAh yes. I too have pictured an archaeological find, found around the year 3000; scholars believe it was ceremonial in use as well. We believe he was called in the late reconstructed language of the late USAtian empire “superr hombre”"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>do you think Ancient pagans of any Indo-European variety REALLY believed in their gods on average, as though they were truly divine?\nNo, they just killed thousands of cows and burnt the meat in a ritualized offering accompanied by prayer as a meme."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nnot gonna lie this is a very good argument lol."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nEuhemerus also saw the tomb of Zeus in a dream in which he was taken to a magic island and saw a golden pillar upon which the names of all of the kings of the world, past and present, were inscribed."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nSource?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJulius Caesar was a god"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI saw it in a dream."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\nTo be fair the superman thing I posted; I will cop that the Norse pantheon are a unique case."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nI don't understand, are you saying the thor figurine is a toy? We have stories from iceland during Christianization where adult men are outed as heathens for carrying these figurines. In a vacuum you could maybe argue that they're kids toys, but our primary sources tell us that they're not.\nOn a side note, here's a depiction of thor on a runestone memorial. Once again, no practical purpose, and it would be insane to waste the time making this stuff if it was just a LARP."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nforgot the image"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nHe's doing the post-double-inter-ironic thing where you take a criticism of Christianity and use it on another religion out of context. Get it? He compared Thor to Superman! See how dumb he is? I bet that YOU feel dumb now that HE looks dumb, huh!"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy wouldn't they believe in them?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan’t wait for retards a thousand years ago to claim that no one ever actually believed in god and all those holy wars were done for the meme"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nRead one post above yours."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nThe context was very clear please stop defending paganism as if you have some stake in it, its sad."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nThey already do it now. You can find gazillions of tradlapers on twitter who will waste hours arguing that ackthyuyually the crusades were about \"the faustian spirit\" or \"the white race\". This is to say nothing about academia which has a whole industry of vomiting out garbage about how the crusades were really for economic reasons or to oppress trans black womyn of colour or whatever."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nOh yeah? Well, if Odin is real, then why do bad things happen, hm?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>>34\nyou really cant help yourself can you?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>20\nYeah because archaeologists know absolutely nothing whatsoever about the religious traditions of the culture they're studying. I'm pretty sure future archeologists will be able to judge the difference between a superman doll and say, this."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nThey're a unique case in what sense? I legitimately don't understand your point. Are you saying that their faith is unique in its authenticity?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nIf Odin isn’t real why don’t I see any frost giants, Hmmm?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThat doll is too simply a decoration with only a superficial difference to the Superman figure culturally."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">did people really believe their religion?\nYou're right OP that is a stupid question."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nYes precisely that."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nThat is an Infant of Prague idol, it is the centerpiece of thousands of home altars. It is THE THING that is prayed to. Its simplicity is because it is part of a home altar, making it equivalent to \"some guy's pocket-statue of Thor\" that the other anon posted.\n\nA more extravagant piece, held in a temple, would be the actual, supposedly magic, Infant of Prague idol (pic related). The massive amounts of gold, silver, and gems match descriptions of far more ornate statues of Thor which were held in temples."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nHow? Its obviously a religious figure. If some idiot in a thousand years was trying to claim an Infant of Prague statue isn't evidence of Catholic worship and is just a toy, he'd obviously be completely mistaken about contemporary religious culture."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nThe find would serve as evidence that they were aware of this religious tradition. Do Catholic anglo saxon kings tracing their lineage to “Woden” indicate devotion to pagan deities?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nI don't really understand what you're trying to say. It was obviously a holdover, like many other things, from pre-Christian traditions."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nYes, the church was bitching about Anglo-Saxon kings and their retinues worshiping Woden until the Norman invasion happened. The Norman justification for the invasion was that the Anglo-Saxons were still Pagan. Anglo-Saxon kings were buried in a manner indicative of an Asatru king up until the last one was killed by the Normans. We're also told by churchmen numerous times that Germanic kings derived legitimacy from divine ancestors.\n\nEven if you want to argue that the Anglo-Saxons were arbitrarily too Christian to be Asatruar it's still indicative of legitimacy deriving from a divine ancestor and the belief that kingship derives from having the \"right blood\". Why are we to say that the churchmen are wrong about why the Anglo-Saxons themselves say that the Anglo-Saxons believed this?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>I don’t understand?\n>I don’t understand?\n>a completely contrived arbitrary and convenient distinction or similarity\nYour debate strategy sucks. If you don’t understand, don’t argue."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nit would indicates that were holdover traditions from the precious religious due to how intertwined it was with that people culture"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nNo I literally just don't have a fucking clue what you're trying to argue. Pagans in Europe didn't really believe in their deities because... toys exist and votive images must have been toys, and early Christian royal genealogies still had references to pagan gods? None of this follows man."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nSource any of that. That sounds made up.\n>Anglo-Saxon kings were buried in a manner of Asatru kings\nWhat the fuck lmao you’re a retard? Asatru lol. do you get your history from pagan metal song lyrics?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>I don’t understand what you’re talking about\n>thinly veiled ad hom\n>strawman\n>strawman\nStop replying. You’re not following because you’re either stupid or you’re trying to debase an argument that you feel is too challenging to deal with but seem charged by your emotions to argue against. I contextualized the “woden” lineage specifically in the post as an example of something that if taken out of context would indicate worship of a deity that isn’t worshipped as a deity; now why would they trace their lineage to him unless he was a deity that has long since been Euhemerised, i.e exactly as I’ve been positing. The Christian figurine even though you’re right that it is in fact an indicator of worship but there are few attestations of early pagan practice outside of the Mediterranean; and you’re citing like Icelandic sturluson sagas written in like the 13th century lmao."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>28\n>>39\n>>47\n>>51\nNot OP here or whoever the fuck it is you’re arguing with and I even disagree 100% with the guy you’re quoting, but bro you argue like a dumb cocksucker."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>now why would they trace their lineage to him unless he was a deity that has long since been Euhemerised\nbecause is a culture holdover, even afer euhemerisantion that deity still is associated with the legitimacy of kings in a cultural level and also indicates that is still revered in some way\nAlso, late antiquity and medieval christian don't simply believed that the pagan gods weren't real or had no power, they simply stop believing in them as positive figures"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>he was EVEN still revered in some way that didn't amount to worship\nthat's exactly what euhemerization is you actual idiot."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nYou tagged multiple people, only two of those posts are mine (I'm the thorfaggot). I think we're all just confused as to what the OP is trying to get at. I think he has salient ideas pop into his head and he just blurts them out randomly instead of giving them a couple of minutes to fully cook."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nOP here; I'll make it as clear as possible. I think paganism or I'd rather say \"early spirituality\" has multiple routes by which the in-group will conceptualize them ultimately, maybe initially as Gods, but my argument is, Norse and Hinduism notwithstanding; indo-european derived pantheons ultimately stopped being seen as great divine beings worthy of tribute and worship and in many, more extreme cases the populace probably didn't think they existed or cared...No idea about iron age gallic populations, they're weird."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did, Romans executed people for blasphemy against the gods for example.\nIt's funny, because you're functionally an atheist, along with everyone else in the thread.\nModern man is just incapable of real religion."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>52\nOh, you're new to this topic, why didn't you just say so? The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity, The Road To Hel, and The One-eyed God are three good books on this. Also, for fun, here's Bishop Remigius's letter to Clovis congratulating him on abandoning the idea of divine descent and accepting monogamy (something that his descendant Charlemagne would be chastised for not embracing): https://hist341f13.umwblogs.org/files/2011/09/Clovis-dossier-Gregory-of-Tours-and-Letters.pdf"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>53\n>stop making fun of my bad strawman!\nYou're not even sure what you're trying to argue, and as you admitted in >>52 you don't even have a basic grasp of the topic at hand.\n\n>>58\n>indo-european derived pantheons ultimately stopped being seen as great divine beings worthy of tribute and worship and in many, more extreme cases the populace probably didn't think they existed or cared\nWe know that this isn't the case given that every source on the subject matter, including the current existing Indo-European traditions (reborn or unbroken), are not described by this claim."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>56\n>that's exactly what euhemerization is\nno, it is not"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>53\n>now why would they trace their lineage to him unless he was a deity that has long since been Euhemerised\nyou know that a claim to divine lineage don't require's the god in question to be euhemerised, right ?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nI hope you aren’t the guy who used the word asatru when referring to germanic pagans in late antiquity because legitimately you are a stupid person."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nNot him; but yes it is. That’s exactly what it is. A god becoming an earthly guy of reverence?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nYou're arguing that nobody worshiped Woden because there are toys of Superman, anon. Nobody is going to look at anything you post from this point and think that you're anything other than a moron."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>60\n>adult man still believes in the notions he had at 12; wherein the long since christianized people in the early medieval were secretly tr00 pagans FUCK YEAH THOR HAIL GODS OF WAR SKOLLLLLL!\nFellate a pistol."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nYou cant just refer to a religion by its name you retard."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nThank you for proving his point."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nNo I didn’t say that lmao? I said a figure or some other effigy doesn’t serve as the ultimate evidence of worship. Why are you so emotionally charged lmao?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nYou’re him, lol. You know how 4chan works right?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nThat was my first post in this thread."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>68\nAsatru is a modern invention whose target market are historylets like you. The name refers to “Asgard” which is a concept that we have no evidence was shared with continental Germanics or more importantly Anglo Saxons; you have been samefagging and REEEing at the very banal suggestion that classical era pagans werent dedicating much time or space in their mind to the worship of these deities."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nSo then you are arguing that nobody worshiped Woden because there are toys of Superman."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>68\n>>69\n>>72\nNo it’s not, in fact they’re exactly one post cooldown apart. You’re fucking sad lmao."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\n>The name refers to “Asgard”\nIf you're this asshurt at getting BTFOd, maybe you should take a breather."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nyou are intentionally inventing a strawman. Once again, for the fat uneducated internet swarth who thinks he’s a Viking. My post with the Superman was in response to someone using an effigy of Odin as damning evidence that my entire argument is wrong."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\n>The name refers to “Asgard”\nit refers to the aesir, which is just the plural form of \"as\", which itself literally just means god. The as in asgard also means god, which would make asgard something to the effect of \"god curtilage\", or the \"curtilage of the gods\" which itself only implies the existence of a kind of heaven of an unclear description. Asgard thus isn't some kind of unique aspect of norse mythology. But again, that doesn't matter anyway, because asatru doesn't refer to asgard."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>66\n>>68\n>>69\n>>72\n>>74\n>>76\nsamefagging idiot."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>73\n>The name refers to “Asgard”\nNo, it means \"true to the Aesir\".\n\n>which is a concept that we have no evidence was shared with continental Germanics or more importantly Anglo Saxons\nIt shows up in Beowulf.\n\n>classical era pagans werent dedicating much time or space in their mind to the worship of these deities.\nSo then you are in fact arguing that superman toys mean are somehow indicative of ancient religions.\n\nThis is my first post since >>60 by the way."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>78\nAsatru is not the name of the preChristian faith of Norse people, there is no continuity (and this will hurt you) there were no secret worshippers clutching their hammer necklaces secretly and bravely working the harsh black soils of Iceland. I hate this word but legit you’re cringe. Samefagging and just screaming insults in this thread. OP’s ideas are largely stupid but you’re thoroughly dumber."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>77\n>>78\n>>80\n>>81\nsamefagging! you are samefagging! look at the post times!"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nYou quoted yourself.\n\n>>82\nWell shit, at first I felt sort of bad for not using \"Forn Sed\" in my post, but now that I see that this beaners like you seethe so hard your dilator pops out, I'm just going to keep using it."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>81\nSo you’re the first guy who intentionally strawman’d my Superman post? Why’d you knowingly do that lol? What’s your stake that you’d be so fervent in opposition to a very milquetoast idea that you’d stoop to that? Lol are you a tr00 viking? If so I’m really sorry I offended you."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>beaners\nI’m from Sweden."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\n>Asatru is not the name of the preChristian faith of Norse people\ntrue, but their religion didn't really have a name, so your options are asatru (which sounds cool but isn't super historically accurate) and these obnoxious christians terms like pagan and heathen which sound like slurs that you'd only utter in a fit of rage. There really isn't a great shorthand to refer to prechristian germanic heathens, so I can forgive the other anon for calling them asatruar."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>swede\n>gay\nchecks out"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nI’m dutch and have been watching these obese americans argue with such anger in support of MUH VIKING GODZ for like 6 hours now and I really wanna throw up."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nI know, right? This retard has spent six fucking hours in this thread throwing a temper tantrum about how people killed animals and got themselves tortured to death in the name of Thor while \"not believing in him\". Fucking tradlarpers lmfao."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nWhich episode of the hit Vikings tv show is your evidence?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>which tv show did you watch to understand history\nquintessentially american post"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\nwhats with euros reflexively freaking the fuck out when their culture gets mentioned? Nobodies arguing in support of paganism itt, we're solely arguing that the vikings weren't fucking atheists. This isn't the first time I've seen one of you spastics come into a thread and go\n>HURR BLURRR STOPPP TALKING ABOUT VIKANGZ STOPSTOPSTOP\nwhich makes me want to ask, do you guys do this because you're embarrassed about the vikings, or is it conversely because you're super proud of them and don't want amerilards tainting them for you?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nFriend you took that far too literally I was insulting you."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\nTalk about the Vikings till you drop, I’m a person living in 2023 Netherlands, what you’re giving me is insight into how much you care what I think. I’m bantering and trying to have a fun historical discourse about a time that you seemingly don’t realize how far removed we are, from. This is evident by how your “MUH VIKANGS WERE DEVOUT ASATRU SOLDIERS OF ODIN!” Posts are dripping with out of place anger and insults."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nI will admit in Sweden we do cringe a little at Americans talking about Vikings but only for how they talk about them."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>what you’re giving me is insight into how much you care what I think\nI do care about what you think with respect to your reasons for being a weirdo reflexive spastic about the vikings. In terms of your approval, however, I couldn't care less. Everybody itt is just engaging with the OP question, and then people like you show up and go\n>Oh, you think X because of Y evidence? Ha! Well guess what, bozo, I'm germanic!\nits really strange and fascinating and I want to know why you guys do it."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nBro you are the one who made fun of me for about 15 posts for drawing some comparison between superman toy and some excavated figurine, and I only made this comparison to posit that it isn’t conclusive evidence that people were prostrating before pagan figurines just because they found one."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, they probably believed in them. A jungian archetype cannot actually give you its power."}, {"id": 100, "content": "iv only ever seen this idea that pagan gods weren't taken seriously coming from anti-christian humanist types trying to make the point that ancient cultures were le rational and le modern until the christcucks came and ruined it with their superstition. Now it seems like it's being picked up by christians as some weird attack on neo-pagans. I don't really think it makes much sense either way though considering the god entities were referred to, sacrificed to, worshipped etc. constantly. Christians were still raging about rural communities being corrupted by paganism in like the 1800s so it had to have a lasting impact on people"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n??? Ok but that's not true because I'm Christian and I'm making that point; and I was mainly referring to Roman and Greek pantheons but maybe also to a few groups with other IE pantheons; I acknowledge vestal virgins and some animal sacrifice. I just think that eventually the general populace wasn't sitting there wondering what Jupiter thinks of their actions or was too concerned with their favor."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nI think you are fundamentally misunderstanding polytheism. Because it's not a 1 on 1on how yo see god."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nSo how do they see them? Is it perhaps similar to the way that I suggested?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Aztec supersoldier or overhyped meme?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol, a couple hundred spanish conquered the entire aztec empire. you tell me."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>Aztec supersoldier\nyou don't really believe what you post. this is just an /int/ thread for inter-spic arguing"}, {"id": 4, "content": "No match for chadpox, the white man’s greatest ally"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThose couple hundred were helped by dozens of thousands of natives from Aztec vassal states who hated the them and wanted their demise."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMexshitcan cope"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDude the Spaniards wrote the history"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf that \"the gods have returned\" shit was real then all the indios would have surrendered on day one. It was a peaceful transfer of power. Aztec priests sang hymns praising the arrival of the kingdom of god.\nThats why you never heard about what happened after the alleged aztec defeat when the spaniards were still outnumbered 10.000 to 1, the tape just jumps to New Spain"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>what are vassals\nHow do you think the mongols were so successful? Most of their armies were made up of foreign cannon fodder"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nAnd? They knew they were no match for the spanish + allies."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Dude the Spaniards wrote the history"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey would lose to zulus"}, {"id": 13, "content": "AWAKEN MY MASTERS\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRrOLTHu-ew [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": "As is often the case with Mesoamerica, people both underestimate and overestimate things because people just ignorant in generral.\n\nThey are obviously not supersoldiers or superhuman: They were an elite military order of accomplished soldiers with some additional potential ceremonial duties. Think like Green berets. In fact, they weren't even the most elite of those orders: The Eagle order was at least as prestigious, arguably more, and the Otonin and Shorn One (top left in pic, in the yellow) orders were successively more exclusively and higher status as well: Entry to the Jaguar order required at least 4 captives and (IIRC) 1 great deed. To become a shorn one required 20 such deeds.\n\nThere's also a variety of other non-order based military titles and ranks which would have been likely higher status as well: There are a few general/commander titles and offices as well as unique titles bestowed on specific soldiers for notable actions which would have had their own duties and varying levels of status, some of which went on to become permanent offices.\n\nThey also would not have been barbarian unarmored warriors in pelts as depicted there: They would have had a gambeson vest or tunic and then a full body warsuit (itself made of thick textile) over that: The \"Jaguar\" theming was made by the tens of thousands of feathers arranged to make the spots on the warsuits, warsuits tied to other ranks and orders had different patterns...though commoners who entered the order via merit apparently had waruits made from actual pelts. Also less fancy barracks, which ties into the fact that, yes, they had barracks, armories, etc. This was a organized military that had actual armor and weapons: beyond Macuahuitl, there were maces, spiked maces, club (included flanged/spiked ones), axes, spears, what were basically halbreds and glaives, atlatl, slings, bows, etc.\n\n1/?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThat floating helmet thing is so damn goofy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nOf all the things in an image full of warriors going to battle in colourful fursuits and pyjamas you're picking on that helmet as the goofy thing?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Was even one Spaniard slain by an Aztec Jaguar or Eagle?\n>Are the crazy cartels their descendents?\n> the last Aztec related media we had was the Road to El Dorado which is beautiful but not enough. We need more. Cmon Spics, spend your pesos"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\n>Tfw your two main enemies are Britain and France then you find an uncontacted civilization that is 2000 years behind you"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat's up with the medieval armor?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\ncont:\n\n>>2\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>11\n>>9\n>>10\nAll of you are wrong.\n\nThere were THOUSANDS of Conquistadors, since at multiple points additional reinforcements arrived (or were swayed from rival Conquistador groups, some of whom worked with the Aztec to arrest Cortes under the orders of the Governor of Cuba), even if there were never more then a bit over a 1000 around at any one time. There were also additional thousands cooks, porters and african slaves etc\n\nThe amount of troops from local states that allied with Cortes also were prob in the hundreds of thousands.. Not all of them were Aztec vassals or subjects, too: Tlaxcala was the first major ally for Cortes that contributed troops to the siege of tenochtitlan and they were an enemy state the Aztec never conquered but were at war with, for example.\n\nWhich leads into the fact that most of the states that allied with Cortes DIDN'T hate the Mexica of the captial of Tenochtitlan, at least not particularly. Tlaxcala did, per what I mentioned, but the actual 6ish states that were actual Aztec subjects only joined after Tenochtitlan was already struck by smallpox and Moctezuma II was dead and it was vulnerable to be taken out and in it's weakened state, they didn't benefit as much from their political marriages to it nor could it garunteee tax influx into the valley they benefitted from;\n\nIf anything the Aztec Empire was remarkably hands off, subjects generally kept their rulers, laws, customs etc and were effectively indepedent, and it's because of that that opportunistic side switching and coups were pretty common: If you got left alone as a subject anyways, you had little to lose by pledging yourself as one to another state to take out your rivals or captial tyo then be in a position of higher standing in the new kingdom/empire you helped prop up.\n\nI talk about this more here pastebin.com/VqW97h93 but I could do a writeup easily double this size on it these days\n\n2/?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nCartels are of overwhelming European ancestry."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPablito you are not a warrior.\nThe Americans kicked the shit out of you at San Jacinto.\nYou are terrible.\nYou are prideful so you hate this. Stick to being angry merchants"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nio sono white ese"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nTo be fair they didn't do too bad for having grug-tier technology"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\ncont:\n\n>>15\n>>16\nIt's a back-mounted banner. Think the flags samurai had. I'm not actually sure what the symbolism is (pic names it after xolotl but nothing about it looks like that god?) but It's more meant to be an umbrella shape then a helmet. There WERE helmet shaped back-banners though, see bottom left in pic\n\n>>17\n>Was even one Spaniard slain....\nYes, though going by Spanish accounts you definitely had more Mesoamerican soldiers killed per Conquistador killed\n\nIt might be useful though to think of it like this: The average conquistador had gambeson or thick cloth garments, some had steel breastplates and the like, and a few had full suits of plate armor. The average Mesoamerican soldier was either naked or had a gambeson vest or tunic, some had that + thick cloth feathered warsuits or tunics on top of that, and very few would have had silver/gold/copper mail. Some civilizations also had wood or wicker armor\n\nIn other words, the worst/best armored conquistador was worse/better protected then the equalvent Mesoamerican soldier, but in the middle you had people variously with comparable levels of protection, and for cloth, gambeson, etc, obsidian will cut through it as good as steel would, maybe better\n\n> the last Aztec related media\nI have a whole bunch of suggestions for Mesoamerican themed media here arch.b4k.co/v/thread/634877036/#634894306 and here desuarchive.org/co/thread/119651972/#119695457\n\nPlus there's a bunch of others I don't mention there, esp for artists rather then media, like Rafael Mena, Mossacannibalis, etc\n\nMy main suggestions to you for actual media would be Onyx Equinox, BigRedHair's Aztec Empire Webcomic, Codex Black (which is a webcomic but also just got a full color volume with extra content published by IDW: https://www.amazon.com/Codex-Black-Book-One-Clouds-ebook/dp/B0B9ZXSHZB), Zotz and Dream Rider (both by Daniel Parada), Aztez, and the WIP Tlatoani citybuilder I mention in the /v/ link\n\n3/3 for now"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nSource : my ass"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>>17\nOh and I guess Maya and the Three, tho I haven't seen it yet and clearly takes a lot of liberties (more then El Dorado)\n\nKeep an eye out for the Aztec batman movie too. The designs shown so far are promising IMO"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fall of Tenochtitlan reminds me of the fall of Berlin during WW2, it must be the first modern recording of a battle that had house to house fighting"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>>26\n>you're wrong because i hate spics"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>you're wrong because ACKKKKKKKKKKKK"}, {"id": 31, "content": "I won."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIs this saying Mexico city has very low european genetics even compared to the surronding states?\n\nThere's no way there's a comparable amount of european ancestry in mexico city ahd Oaxaca and Yucatan, but that's what it seems to show?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nCould be due to migration from less-European rural areas. That happened to Lima too; its population used to have much more European admixture than it does today, because it was founded by the Spanish to be their capital in South America, but it later received huge numbers of migrants (who had little to no European admixture) from the mountains during the 20th century, and now its population is like 85% Indian genetically."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>25\nVery interesting, anon. Thanks for the writeup."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>>33\njust biased sampling probably"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\n>In other words, the worst/best armored conquistador was worse/better protected then the equalvent Mesoamerican soldier,\n\nGoofed up here, should be\n\n\"in other words, both the worst and best armored conquistador was better protected then the equivalent mesoamerican soldier...\""}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>5\nPeople don't appreciate how quickly a small but determined ingroup can become immensely powerful by allying and mobilising the right people. Within 30 years of pic related Muslims went from being able to field a couple hundred men and controlling a small backwater town in the Arabian desert to having an army of 100,000 soldiers and ruling over an empire that covered Libya, Egypt, the entire Arab peninsula, the Levant, Mesopotamia, the South Caucasus, South-Eastern Anatolia and Persia."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nthis is \"The Man Who Would Be King\" tier battle, lmaooooo"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\nWhich Mexico areas have only 2% European admixture?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nCope"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nyoure literally braindead if you think motherfucking oaxaca is more european than the mexico city"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's a picture of some retard's fantasy."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">volcanic glass can shred iron mail because... it just can okay?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nYou got btfo already mate. May as well just dump your spic hate folder like your buddies at this point and save yourself some embarrassment."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nim not your ebin internet rival anon im mexican and i know what oaxaca and mexico city are like"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nNobody has claimed that, though?\n\nBernal Diaz does claim his breastplate was pierced by a \"spear\" (I forget if he meant atlatl or a tepozopilli) at some point and it was only stopped by the padding beneath, and I HAVE seen tests where flint tipped atlatl darts have left large dents and gouges in breastplates, but it actually piercing would require a huge fluke/the breastplate already being damaged.\n\nThere's no way a Macuahuitl is getting through mail. I don't see Atlatl darts preforming worse then arrows normally would vs mail, but I'm not sure how that typically pans out. Maybe the spiked/flaged clubs could as well if they can hit the middle of a link and stretch it/break it and pierce through like I imagine an arrow or atlatl dart might?\n\nAgain, you'd have to tell me how things like arrows or the piercing end of a war pick or something does vs mail"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if Jesus was a real person and had followers and all but was just a moral teacher but a mortal. Due to this the followers stuck with the teachings even to their very death\n\nThen Paul took this opportunity to create some divine narrative behind the whole event\n\nIs it plausible? Can you give me some counter-arguments to disprove this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Jesus said to his disciples, \"Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like.\"\n>Simon Peter said to him, \"You are like a righteous angel.\"\n>Matthew said to him, \"You are like a wise philosopher.\"\n>Thomas said to him, \"Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like.\"\n>Jesus said, \"I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out.\"\n>And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, \"What did Jesus say to you?\"\n>Thomas said to them, \"If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up.\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably, I was raised a protestant,and after reading plato and learning about the Catholic church I realized they shunned the Jewish schizo bs and replaced it with platonism even though the two contradict each other at times. Catholicism is your best bet at an organized religion but it's still a Jewish cult in the end."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA) You can't disprove a theory, especially a false one.\nB) No one is willing to be a martyr for simple ethical teachings. Even the pagan martyrs died supporting supernatural causes.\nC) St Paul, or anybody, does not create Divine Narrative, we are created by It.\nD) It's not plausible because the Church (Cath or Orth I don't discriminate, except against Prots) is a fucking miracle by any stretch of the imagination. That sickly humanity could keep something like that going for 2000 years defies nature.\nE) The works and words of Jesus (the Gospel) is obvious miraculous in and of itself, given the impact one man and his sayings have had on history.\nF) The cultural beauty of the civilisation that Christ spawned is Divine in my opinion.\n\nNo one this is really designed as serious argument, more just sharing my convictions, frogo."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Nah personally I believe that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah so it's more than just a simple moral teacher\nObviously he was a moral teacher but it was his claim of Messiahship which gave him fame and led to Judas betraying him since he claimed to be King of the Jews among his followers, if he was just a moral teacher I don't think he would have become as famous as he did\nHe got crucified and eventually it led to The Gospel of John being written"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>The cultural beauty of the civilisation that Christ spawned is Divine in my opinion.\nHow about the ancient pagan Greeks?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>No one is willing to be a martyr for simple ethical teachings."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nFuck sake I'm sick of this stupid shit. It's fine to say it's a cult. All religions are. That doesn't bother me. But you can't fucking be a jew and a Catholic at the same time ffs. What do you think the Vatican is kicking upstairs to Israel or some shit? where's the proof? I think I'll trust the couple thousand years of discrimination against Jews as Christ killers as evidence that it is not in fact a Jewish cult but a cult open for all.\n\nChristus vicit."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nThis is where /pol/ loses me. Constantly calling the anathema to Judaism, Jewish itself."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI dunno. How much pagan painting remains? I'll take Caravaggio anyway. And Michaelangelo is as good if not better than late greek sculpture. The core is the beauty of the values anyway. Christianity is far superior in that respect imo that anything like Platonism or Stoicism.\n>>7\n>Dies as a martyr for Delphic Apollo.\nRead it again smuggly. Socrates is constantly invoking Gods and the Divine."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nokay the Paul thing has been going on in this board non-stop for a few days now. enough"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Dies as a martyr for Delphic Apollo.\nYou haven't read Phaedo and it shows."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>I think I'll trust the couple thousand years of discrimination against Jews as Christ killers as evidence that it is not in fact a Jewish cult but a cult open for all.\nThey didn't. The Catholic church persecuted Jews as much as Muslims did. In fact Jews were allowed to practice their religion as well as become bankers while all pagan beliefs were banned completely. Everyone hated the Jews.\n\n>>9\nI guess I should be a Muzzies then? They persecuted Jews. How about a pagan? They literally set up a statue of Zeus in the temple. Pretty funny"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>Christianity is far superior in that respect imo that anything like Platonism or Stoicism.\nLol Plato is the foundation for Christianity. Without it, it would be a bunch of Jewish schizophrenia"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nI've read it 3 or 4 times fool. You haven't read the Trial see pic rel.\n>>13\n>Everyone hated the Jews.\nFine. I agree. Everyone includes Catholics so I don't think Catholicism is a Jewish cult. It'd be more accurate to call it a Roman cult ffs.\n>>14\nNo mate, Christ is the foundation of Christianity. And also what you meant to mean is Aristotle is. Plato had some influence, yes fine. But there's no Christianity without the Theotokos, Christ, His apostles, St Paul, in short without God.\nIt's so fucking sad the way moderns through around terms like Schizo when those words are just Jewish psyop slang that they've let the demons infect them with. It's ironic as fuck but sad."}, {"id": 16, "content": "it pretty much was like that\n\nsource q, said to be gospel of thomas, reaffirms this.\n\nyou have to take into consideration that there are narratives within the gospels that people misunderstand and it is made to be like that because of paul\n\nwhat do i mean?. the gospels say that jesus walked over water, right?.\n\nThe earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. – Genesis 1:2\n\njohn explains that it is pretty much all symbolic:\nOn the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, asthe Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given,\n>because Jesus was not yet glorified.\n– John 7:37-39\n\nif you pay attention to gospel of thomas, jesus is pretty much a insurrectionist and that was pretty bad for rome, the philosophy of jesus, by truly understanding the hebrew tradition, is too dangerous for empires so they resorted to subverting the whole movement turning it into some kind of pagan mixup that doesnt involve any kind of moral action in the world.\n(100) They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to him, \"Caesar's agents are exacting taxes from us.\" He said to them, \"Give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, give unto god the things that are god's, and give unto me that which is mine.\""}, {"id": 17, "content": "Please reach Gnosis"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuslim shill theory\n>muh bad paul"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's just a basic legendary development theory, which is refuted by the existence of early creeds and hymns sourced in Paul's letters"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus probably didn't even exist"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\noh yeah? why is he being talked about in the new testament???????"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is literally what happened.\n\nNeitzche also comments on this with the anti-christ.\n>jesus was a man who achieved something, he wasn't a god nor a divine.\n>he achieved a state of mind where love is the highest virtue, even in the face of enemies and those whom you hate\n>jesus himself, or his disciples end up worshipping him for this attitude, an old time cult like the one pythagoras had.\n>jesus gets caught by the romans\n>crucified and dies\n>followers of jesus are horrified because they expected him to be the next messiah\n>the disciples fail jesus' ultimate test. \"Love thy neighbor\" which also meant loving the people who killed your prophet.\n\n>disciples basically cant cope\n>decide cowardly \"N..no, he didnt die!! Hes alive in the kingdom of heaven!!! Y..yeah thats it!! This life doesnt matter a..all that matters is heaven!!!\"\n>decide to include divine myths to make the religion seem more believable to the average rube\n\n>2000 years later, some anons still fall for it"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>>disciples basically cant cope\n>>decide cowardly \"N..no, he didnt die!! Hes alive in the kingdom of heaven!!! Y..yeah thats it!! This life doesnt matter a..all that matters is heaven!!!\"\n>>decide to include divine myths to make the religion seem more believable to the average rube\nthats where youre wrong\n\ntheres a reason psalm 22 is quoted\n\nand gospel of mary explains the context\n\n1) But they were grieved. They wept greatly, saying, How shall we go to the Gentiles and preach the gospel of the Kingdom of the Son of Man? If they did not spare Him, how will they spare us?\n\n2) Then Mary stood up, greeted them all, and said to her brethren, Do not weep and do not grieve nor be irresolute, for His grace will be entirely with you and will protect you.\n\n3) But rather, let us praise His greatness, for He has prepared us and made us into Men.\n\n4) When Mary said this, she turned their hearts to the Good, and they began to discuss the words of the Savior.\n\n5) Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.\n\n6) Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them.\n\n7) Mary answered and said, What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you.\n\n(...)\n\n1) When Mary had said this, she fell silent, since it was to this point that the Savior had spoken with her.\n\n2) But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, Say what you wish to say about what she has said. I at least do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are strange ideas.\n\n3) Peter answered and spoke concerning these same things.\n\n4) He questioned them about the Savior: Did He really speak privately with a woman and not openly to us? Are we to turn about and all listen to her? Did He prefer her to us?\n\n5) Then Mary wept and said to Peter, My brother Peter, what do you think? Do you think that I have thought this up myself in my heart, or that I am lying about the Savior?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n\n6) Levi answered and said to Peter, Peter you have always been hot tempered.\n\n7) Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.\n\n8) But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well.\n\n9) That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.\n\n10) And when they heard this they began to go forth to proclaim and to preach."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristians won't accept this because then it means they follow the most pleb ass \"philosopher\" ever."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nThis feels like a bot post.\n\nBut this doesnt refute my argument though. Jesus spoke openly about many things, why all of a sudden would he give mary a special lesson that no one but her knows?\nIts a myth perpetrated to make it seem more believable than it is.\n\nWhy? Because ultimately a message of ascetism isn't one that people can get behind. But if you include myths about how jesus knew the answer and was herioc for knowing the answer, then it gives your religion more credibility"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNTA, but what about the empty tomb? The romans didn't care about the whole thing, jews wanted Jesus dead so it's unlikely that they stole his body, and it wouldn't make sense for his followers to rob it\n\nNot to mention that it was protected by guards so I don't think grave robbers would go in there and then leave all the rugs that covered Jesus' dead body"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nits not that no one but her knows, dumbass\n\nshe was the only one who understood what jesus was saying\n\n>Having told me these things, and others that I do not know how to say, as he wished, he was lifted up, without anyone in the crowd seeing him. And when I came down, I laughed derisively at them all, for he had told me the things that they had said about him; firmly retaining in me only one thing, that the Lord devised all things symbolically and by a dispensation towards men, for their conversion and salvation."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nIt wouldn't matter though, the argument here is that the desciples failed jesus' test. And you just proved that they indeed didn't understand what jesus' message was.\nBecause the desciples didnt understand, they basically coped with jesus' loss by claiming that he rose from the dead and that death didnt matter.\n\nWhen the real point was to love thy neighbor no matter what.\nInstead the desciples turned jesus into some divine prophet and scammed the world for thousands of years"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Nothing, therefore, of the things which they will say of me have I suffered: nay, that suffering also which I showed unto thee and the rest in the dance, I will that it be called a mystery. For what thou art, thou seest, for I showed it thee; but what I am I alone know, and no man else. Suffer me then to keep that which is mine, and that which is thine behold thou through me, and behold me in truth, that I am, not what I said, but what thou art able to know, because thou art akin thereto. Thou hearest that I suffered, yet did I not suffer; that I suffered not, yet did I suffer; that I was pierced, yet I was not smitten; hanged, and I was not hanged; that blood flowed from me, and it flowed not; and, in a word, what they say of me, that befell me not, but what they say not, that did I suffer. Now what those things are I signify unto thee, for I know that thou wilt understand. Perceive thou therefore in me the rest of the Word (Logos), the piercing of the Word, the blood of the Word, the wound of the Word, the hanging up of the Word, the suffering of the Word, the nailing (fixing) of the Word, the death of the Word. And so speak I, separating off the manhood. Perceive thou therefore in the first place of the Word; then shalt thou perceive the Lord, and in the third place the man, and what he hath suffered."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nJesus is dead at this point. His message wasnt\n>I'm gonna rise from the dead and then you'll see, I'm real!!! So you'd better believe\nIt was\n>love thy neighbor, the kingdom of god is within you\nThe empty tomb is just another myth made to strengthen the myth of divine power. Again to convice people that jesus was divine, rather than a man"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>Instead the desciples turned jesus into some divine prophet and scammed the world for thousands of years\npeters denial of jesus does not talk about jesus but rather peters character\n\njesus was divine because he was prophesized by the scriptures, he came to deliver the ultimate message that was being given by the previous prophets.\n\nthat does not mean that he was not human.\n\ndo you understand the difference?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>peters denial\nIrrelevent\n\n>came to deliver the ultimate message\nIf your answer to this is that his ultimate message was that he is the son of god. Then you didn't really get jesus.\nPeople would've called out jesus in his time for claiming he is the son of man, and in fact its curious that the parts of the bible where he does claim he is the son of god, is all of a sudden backed up by miracles.\n\nJesus' ultimate message was that he found a way to reach a state of love for all mankind. Not that he was divine.\n\nAny talk of prophecy is put into jesus' mouth by the desciples and by having the desciples write the bible. Again to give credibility to their religion\n\nI dont believe a man who was concerned with love, would've ever cared about being the son of god or having people know he was the son of god"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>If your answer to this is that his ultimate message was that he is the son of god.\ni quoted the gospel of thomas previously, dumbass\n\n>>16"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nGood then we agree.\nThe desciples made jesus into a divine prophet, he was never a prophet and he never rose from the dead"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\njesus was a prophet.\n\nhe rose from the dead.\n\nits pretty clear you havent read the scriptures thus you do not know the lingo.\n\nezekiel 18 uses life and death to talk about sin.\n\n>21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?\n\nSPOILER: thats the reason the gospels dont say anything about jesus before his baptism, he was a sinner. thats why he was rejected at his hometown."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>the gospels dont say anything about jesus before his baptism\nwhat, now?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>1In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.\n\n>13Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nLuke doesn't talk about 12 year old Jesus at the temple in Jerusalem? I mean, I'm either misunderstanding what you're saying or...\n\nI'll paste it.\n\nLuke 2: 41- 52\n41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”\n\n49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.\n\n51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nirrelevant"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>The gospels dont say anything about jesus before his baptism\n>The Gospels do, in fact, say something about Jesus before his baptism\n>\"irrelevant\"\n\nshiggy diggy\n\nAs I say, maybe I don't know what you mean, but..."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\ni dont know what makes you think im gonna waste my time arguing with you, i only replied because people will see the thread and thus know the truth through my posts.\n\nyou havent read the bible, i have read everything and more."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\ni was genuinely asking what you meant. I literally pasted a part of the Gospel that doesn't fit intoyour claim. I was intrigued. I wasn't challenging you aggresively\n\nNow i'm straight up calling you a disingenuous faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nyou deny the divinity of jesus, you dont know what youre talking about and it makes me feel pity for you."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>\"he was a sinner\"\nliteral quote by you\n\n>\"Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?\"\nMe quoting Luke\n\nI'm denying the divinity of Jesus?"}, {"id": 46, "content": "2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.\n\n3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.\n\n4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:\n\n5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.\n\n6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:\n\n7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.\n\n8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.\n\n-\n\n22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.\n\n23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.\n\n24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?\n\n25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?\n\n26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?\n\n27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.\n\n28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?\n\n29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.\n\n>>30"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>36\nIts pretty clear that you lost the argument and are reverting to scripture because you have no other argument to fall on.\n\nJesus never rose from the dead. Nor did he conquer death. He was a mortal man who found a new state of love"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNot that Anon but I don't think it makes sense that Jesus never rose from the dead. People denied Him in during His darkest hour, why would they be willing to be tortured to death?\n\nSomething pretty big must have happened, since they were disappointed when He was crucified and died by the romans, they were sad because they really thought He was the messiah\n\nSo if they felt discouraged by the whole event, and even when He was alive and they believed in Jesus and His miracles they still denied Him, so why were they willing to die for their belief afterwards if they didn't have much courage to begin with and the little hope they had died along with Jesus in the cross?\n\nSomething must have ressurected their hope, and that hope was Jesus"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Bumper"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasically correct. Jesus was an itinerant faith healer that developed philosophical innovations after coming into contact with Greek and Roman law and philosophy.\n\nPaul was a fraudster that led a cult of seditionists against Rome.\n\nThe problem could have fairly easily been solved by integrating Jesus into the Roman pantheon."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njesus wasn't even real anon the whole scheme is retarded and I don't understand how this con lasted so long"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah, it's unbiblical and therefore false."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>16\n>if you pay attention to gospel of thomas, jesus is pretty much a insurrectionist and that was pretty bad for rome, the philosophy of jesus, by truly understanding the hebrew tradition, is too dangerous for empires so they resorted to subverting the whole movement turning it into some kind of pagan mixup that doesnt involve any kind of moral action in the world.\nWow. Impressive misunderstandings here. Thomas' Gospel is gnostic not insurrectionist at all. No reading of Jesus life can be justified in political terms. It's always an utterly plebeian deliberate misinterpretation.\nChristianity was not \"subverted by Rome\" it subverted Rome.\nChristianity does involve action. It's is faith AND works. Not this gnostic, protestant sola fida heresy.\nJesus the demons hold say around these parts."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>26\n>Because ultimately a message of ascetism isn't one that people can get behind.\nYou do remember that christianity (catho-orthodoxy) does continue to exist and has 2 thousands years of history as an ascetic system of theosis. Jesus says on the sermon on the mount \"when you fast...\" implying that he assumed we would fast. And the traditional of the Church in the Didache is to fast every Wednesday and Friday.\n>>22\nSure. Those Apostles that all suffered and died martyr's deaths for the divine, risen Jesus couldn't cope. It certainly wasn't a syphilitic madman-child that was just trying to cope with his inability to accept christianity (I.e. the truth) like a whiney child who refuses to cooperate out of bitterness that they aren't getting there way."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>29\n>the desciples failed jesus' test.\nAnd yet christianity is the biggest collective, unified faith on the face of the earth... all the apostles died doing exactly what Jesus told them to do. How can you just deny reality like this and proclaim falsehoods so boldly? It's a fucking insult to yourself."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>29\n>When the real point was to love thy neighbor no matter what.\n>Instead the desciples turned jesus into some divine prophet and scammed the world for thousands of years\nThe apostles did love their neighbours no matter what. That's why they died trying to bring them the truth of salvation. As I said above, no one is willing to die because they think \"these morals are important\", they die for the Truth. And they believed in the Truth of Jesus resurrection and the promises he made. They didn't pick and choose like the gnostics. They followed the Paraclete that guided them and still guides the Church in the proclamation of the Truth of Jesus dual natures: humanity and Divinity, simultaneously, without mixture."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>30\nGnostic heresy. Disregard. Of course the Divine nature of the Son and Word does not suffer. But the human flesh of Jesus obviously suffered. Even emotionally his humanity suffered, else why would he weep?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>31\nThen He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and that He must be killed and after three days rise again. - St Mark 8:31."}, {"id": 59, "content": "Other way around.\n\nJesus was a divine mythical being that Paul had visions of who was crucified in outer space. When Paul talked about Jesus's return, he meant that Jesus was going to come down from the heavens for the first time to Earth. It wasnt until decades later that Christcucks started to spread the lie that Jesus was a real person that interacted with people."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>50\nPaul did nothing wrong. He heard from the first christians about Jesus existing in outer space and then thought he witnessed him for real after getting high. Then Christians in 70 AD knew that no one would take the visions of a man seriously, so they invented the story about him being a real rabbi."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>33\n>If your answer to this is that his ultimate message was that he is the son of god. Then you didn't really get jesus.\nLet me ask you this. Who is more likely to have gotten Him? The ones who have been lead through all error to thrive and become the world's largest faith (Catholicism+Orthodoxy)? Or the ones who keep splintering into tiny fragments (heretics) and have horrible people like the prosperity theology televangelist fleecing their followers like demons?\nDon't get me wrong, I can accept that this isn't really a proof. But I do think that the authority of tradition out weights the insignificance of a vast minority of peoples opinions. I think the Church's interpretation is true and Divine and it's the worlds interpretation that is debased and worthless. To think of him as simply human is a human way of thinking- corrupted, looking for faults, prideful, vain etc. To be able to see him as the fusion of perfect God and perfect Man, that takes Grace given by the Holy Spirit, and I take the Church (especially the Martyrs) as the proof of that Grace."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>39\nYou know what he meant. 18 years between 12 and 30 the gospels say nothing about Him."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>48\nWell said. The thing that gave them hope and courage is the Pentecost, the Holy Spirit that dwells in our midst and guides the faithful.\nNotice to that the world has basically no response to the Holy Martyrs except sometimes: \"they were afraid of punishment\", which is bullshit because if they were afraid of the fire of hell, they certainly would have been afraid of Nero's fire for instance. The Truth is they sacrificed themselves out of love for God and His Truth, and for mankind like Jesus did because they Had his same Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>50\n>>51\nIf it's a con by St Paul then how has it lasted so long? Only answer is that it's true and it's a fucking miracle. Don't say we didn't warn you. Don't think we don't pray for you to see. We love you and don't want to deceive anyone. We want everyone to he happy, know and believe the truth, and be loved eternally. >>59\n>>60\nPowerful self deception here. Thanks for the thread. It's reminded me to keep you heretics on my prayer list.\n\nDeo Gloria."}, {"id": 65, "content": "I see. I'm enjoyong your new video now Professor."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>53\n>Christianity was not \"subverted by Rome\" it subverted Rome.\n>Christianity does involve action. It's is faith AND works\nLol, Jesus said: fear not little flock\n\nLets see what (((Saul))) said...\n\n>5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.\n\nYeah, that sounds exactly like what Jesus taught... Lmao"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>4\n>That sickly humanity could keep something like that going for 2000 years defies nature.\nEh. The Egyptian empire lasted even longer, should we then believe in the divinity of the Pharaohs, at least until Christianity catches up?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\n>irrelevant\n>i dont know what makes you think im gonna waste my time arguing with you, i only replied because people will see the thread and thus know the truth through my posts.\n>you havent read the bible, i have read everything and more.\n\nsomeone comes at me like this I'm not giving him any leeway. Never you fucking mind if I know what he means or not."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>2\nwha....what did he say"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPaul engaged with pre-existing Christian communities and had to justify himself to them. Things that he had to defend were issues around integrating gentiles. Christ's divinity was something that was taken for granted."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nWhat?\n\n\nJesus taught what Isaiah said... And Isaiah was the one who said \"My house shall be a house of prayer for all nations\"\n\nGet your shit together"}, {"id": 72, "content": "I swear none of You have read the old testament and it shows, why do yall post inane bullshit with so much authority?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nThe OP is saying that Paul made up Christ's divinity and that Jesus was just some moral teacher. That's not true because Christians already took Christ's divinity for granted before Paul showed up."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>2\nWhy can't Thomas just tell us?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nJesus was Divine but not supernatural like Paul claims"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>66\n>Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.\n\n>Render to Caesar what is Caesar's, to God what is Gods.\nAnd the whole sermon on the mount is about being a a servant for other. Turning the other cheek, giving your cloak, walking two miles, loving those who hate you, don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing in charity. My point is that I thunk your be disingenuous."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>67\nThe fact that the pyramids still exists but their culture doesn't is a similar miracle attesting to the miraculous reality of salvation history. It shows you the vanity of the pride of man, the power of pagan lies, the ability of God to triumph and what happens when heresy is allowed to spread (Islam)."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>68\nWow. Very mature.\n>I'm deliberately going to nitpick points against the sense in which they were intended. Do you study law?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\n>And the whole sermon on the mount is about being a a servant for other.\nDoing gods work, not a floormat.\n\nJesus said not to throw your to swine, not to stay with those who won't listen and to curse those places that reject us once wey leave.\n\nHate the sin, love the sinner. That does not mean \"condone sin lol\". Jesus was very specific in telling everyone not to sin again.\n\n\nHe also said that there is only one lord, the father. We are all brothers under him thus wey should share the earth and the things it provides.\n\n\nI know youre the retard who posted the Luke thing. You don't understand hebrew tradition for You havent read the scriptures thus You don't know what \"LOVE\" thy neighbor really means."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>70\nExactly. St Paul would not have evangelised gentiles if he didn't believe his Lord Jesus told him to."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nIt means: walk the extra mile. That's why I'm willing to have this conversation with you. Because I don't consider you swine. Swine don't even believe in God these days.\nSt Paul is not condoning sin either. He is condoning obedience, like Jews have to the OT laws and chrisitians have to Jesus and his apostles and the bishops.\n\nYes he said there is one lord. He also said render to Caesar Caesar's. There is only one God, there are obviously many authorities on earth. Even Jesus was obedient to the people who came to arrest him and told St Peter not to contest against the temple guards.\n\n>I know youre the retard who posted the Luke thing. You don't understand hebrew tradition for You havent read the scriptures thus You don't know what \"LOVE\" thy neighbor really means.\nAd hominem. I know those who love don't call people they don't know retards derisively."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nHe said \"give to the ceasar whatever HE worked\" not \"give him your goods\"\n\nRetard\n\nJesus instructed his followers to sell everything and donate the money to the Brotherhood so they take care of their needs + help those in need\n\nI don't know what makes You think that saying \"Jesus condoned tribute lol\" is good trolling\n\nYou acted like a retard so i called You a retard."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nThe psalms say that god punishes those who he loves like a good father with a beloved son\n\nDoes god not \"love\" because he punishes before forgiving?\n\nSee.\n\nYou clearly don't understand what youre talking about"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\n>Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what is yours, do not demand it back.\nSt Luke 6:30.\n>You will know a tree by its fruits.\nSt Luke 6:43-45"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\n>St Luke 6:30.\nYes, that refers to the Brotherhood way of life. That is how the essenes lived (read josephus)\n\nYour quote only proves You don't know whst youre talking about. Good job googling."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nAre you really trying to justify your petty vitriol by comparing your own seething frustration with God's providential wisdom?\nYou said before hate the sin, not the sinner. But all I'm getting from you is spite and bitterness because you know your in the wrong. This is the problem with protestantism bots and gentlemen. It leads to exactly this vain pride in arrogant ignorance.\nPs. God does punish those he loves. Be he also doesn't punish those he loves. Why else do sinful people go unpunished and is heresy aloud to spread."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nIf he said \"Render to Caesar\" and Luke 6:30, can you not see that he thought you should pay your taxes? Do you really think if Jesus was some sort of anarchist that he would have let himself be crucified? Why in that case did he say his kingdom was not of this world?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nYoure talking to a nonexistent public\n\nWhy would i be mad when i know i'm right?. Youre just a retarded child who takes internet way too seriously. You havent Even read the bible front to back, lmao.\n\n>>87\nAh, yes. Jesus clearly meant for people to obey god AND also pay cesar taxes... Because the old testament doesnt tell us we're only foreigners in this place.\n\nWhen god said\n\n\"For every beast of the forest is Mine, And the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, And the wild beasts of the field are Mine. “If I were hungry, I would not tell you; For the world is Mine, and all its fullness.\"\n\nHe meant the cesar, not him.\n\nClearly this is what Jesus thought, thank You for opening My eyes."}, {"id": 89, "content": "CLEARLY Jesus had a problem with the pharisees charging money and oppressing the weak\n\nBut not with the ceasar demanding tribute\n\nWhew, thank the lord i read You and now i know the truth!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what is this philosophy called?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nu uh I got an invincible anti- arms being ripped off and girlfriend being fucked by a bald manlet shield"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I spot some semblances of ethical egoism, moral relativism, social darwinism and a sprinkle of Nietzsche."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDude this guy is the amerimutt meme irl"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>might makes right.\nNo surprise that this guy converted to Islam. The only thing he understands is violence. He is like an animal, enslaved to his lust and his ego.\nYou can suppress logic and reason, but never destroy it. His ego is so big, he thinks of himself as invincible, but he forgets that one day he will die like everyone else and eventually be forgotten."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiggardry"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAUTISM"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nJust say you're a tranny and save yourself the time."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nJust fucking transition already if you’re going to let trannies live rent free in your head and bring them up in threads about your favorite Muslim mystery meat donkey"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNarcissism, he's probably also an aphant. he's never had a single moment of self reflection in his entire life. Its honestly ironic he constantly goes off about snowflakes, but his entire ego and personality have been fueled by participation trophies for the past several years now."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Just say you're a tranny and save yourself the time.\nYou are a fool, following a even bigger fool. I am not a tranny. I find the transgender movement to be a complete joke. Another form of modern day narcissism . Tate and his teenage boy followers are different side of the same narcissistic coin."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">can't even handle a few weeks in prison\n>immediately has to make a narcissistic video of him pacing around taking huge anxiety puffs from his big black cock substitute\n>immediately declares that he's being poisoned because he has a tummy ache."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n\nNah, his reaction to having to live in the real world for a few weeks demonstrates he's all mouth and absolutely falls to pieces when faced with any problem he can't make go away by throwing money at it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nThere are two world fren,\nWhere physical power rules and where ratio rules.\nAltho you speak the truth, you think he gives a crap what ratio has to say about him? No. He belongs to first world. And sadly first world allways conquered the second"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiggerism"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nOnly in the minds of delusional niggers is that true"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's called being a knuckle-dragging retard.\n>I rip your arms off\nCool argument bro, you're still stupid and wrong"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Maximum capitalist theology"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDarwinism"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSubhuman"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nTell that to Socrates who died this way."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\n>>6\n>>5\n>>4\n>>2\n>>21\n>>20\n>>19\n>>18\n>>17\n>>16\n>>15\n>>14\n>>13\n>>12\n>>11\n>>10\n>>9\n>>7\n>>6\nwhat color is your bugatti?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nwhat color is your boipucci?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nShut the fuck up"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFalse dichotomy. There is in fact a strong positive correlation between strength and intelligence.\nAnyway, we both know it's 4."}, {"id": 26, "content": "History is written by the victors\nIt might logically be 4, but if you're dead, it's 5 for all intensive purposes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nRationalism is a symptom of mental illness, and has nothing to do with being rational, contrary to what its name may suggest."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n\nWhat color was your cell mate?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\n>your bugatti?\nWho the fuck would want a bugatti?\nPeople buy these cars to impress people they do not know. Better to invest that money to increase passive income."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMight makes right or Kraterocracy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nHmm interesting claim. Many would disagree. Why would you claim that?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nRationaliam is ultimately based off instinct - it takes some hunch, an inexplicable inner feeling that something is or isn't true, and bases its understanding of the world on that. However, that instinct is often wrong."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntemper tantrumism"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\nSocrates was executed by a jury of peers in a court of law. It’s more similar to Andrew Tate getting thrown in a Romanian prison and getting his shit pushed in by Slavic bulls than it is to one of Tate’s nigger moment chimp outs"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMight makes right. The issue is the smart guy will eventually invented something that will fuck you up even if you are bugger and stronger. People already did that to other species when they started using tools."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>22\nVanguard index fund Green"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nRomanians aren't Slavs. Romanian is a Romance language woth some slavic loanwords."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nI’m sure Tate won’t be able to tell the difference when they have him crying like a little girl as he’s getting buck broken"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell that’s retarded cause there is always gonna be someone that’s smarter/stronger then you"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>2\nI can see why you would think that but Tate is actually 6'3"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>i use my basic understanding of math develop a trebuchet and launch you back to africa\ni win."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>22\nwhat color is your boyfriend's cock"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nwho builds your trebuchet?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunga bungism"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have knife. Now what?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nNTA but presumably engineers, unless he’s got powered equipment in which case he could probably do it himself"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>5\nHe's just a loudmouth. I sincerely doubt he's that tough when facing a guy bigger guy or even someone his size."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nHe roundhouse kicks the knife out of your hand.\nNow what?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCynicism"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>22\nHahahahahaha how will bugailets recover from this"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>22\ni dont need to be a cat to be able to know what is a cat and hate cats."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namerimutt ideology"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>22\nGEM"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>>51\n>>50\n>>42\n>>36\n>>29\n>>28\n>>24\n>>23\nTo all the Tate haters,\n\nWhen we say \"What color is your Bugatti\" we're not literally asking about the color of your Bugatti. What we're saying is \"What do you have to offer us that Tate doesn't offer\"\nI want women, Tate has hundreds of women.\nI want money, Tate has more cash than I could ever spend in a lifetime.\nI want a nice house, Tate owns property in the most beautful places in the world.\nI want nice cars, Tate has 33 luxury vehicles.\nTate has everything I could ever want, and he started Hustlers University to help people like me get these things.\nHe could have just sat back, enjoyed his millions, and done whatever he wanted to benefit himself.\nBut instead he chose to help people like me, and in doing so became one of the most hated men in the world.\nMost people would have given up and quit due to the harassment, but he continues to fight for the guys like me.\n\nSo I'll ask one more time, what color is your Bugatti?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nWe’re offering you the chance to realize the reason tate has all those things and you don’t is because he’s a grifter exploiting people like you to afford all that shit. Tate doesn’t want you to have any of what he has because if you do, you won’t have any reason to pay him to teach you how yo to get what ye has."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>36\nbased VOOmer"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>49\nWow that's literally me."}, {"id": 58, "content": "You need brain in a fight too you dumbass nigga"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhes actually right on this one\nmight is right babyyyyy"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>unknown\nwhat color is your bugatti"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>5\nHe doesn't advocate that. He just says that you have to be strong enough to defend what you believe is right, because not everybody can be convinced by mere persuasion. So, he's advocating for both might and truth."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>41\nwhat color is your trebuchet?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>54\nAnon, I don't want to hear shit from you until you have the same things Tate does."}, {"id": 64, "content": "It's BAP philosophy."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI really hate this unstable, money worshipping, nigger. he is getting on my nerves. I am tired of seeing his gay bitch ass."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nget used to it, the zoomers ain't getting any whiter"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's muslim what do you expect?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nyeah, i don't have much hope left. I would sell my every possession and live in budapest if ww3 wasn't a serious risk."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat color is your haplogroup?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere's something deeply depressing and unsettling about this man, he's like every single thing wrong with modern society condensced into a single human being. Seeing him sets off a primal rage seep in my soul and I'm not usually even a violent person. I don't want Tate to die, but I do want him to become a burn victim. I want all the skin on his body completely engulfed in flame and immolated until he's completely unrecognizable even after skin grafts and plastic surgery, then he'll be forced to rethink his shallow mindset"}, {"id": 71, "content": "Tate isn't wrong, math is only useful to the extent it allows for power. You can actually see this in math textbooks published 100 years ago, where there was a big introduction from the author going \"advanced mathematics totally isn't a waste of time guys\"."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>54\n>So I'll ask one more time, what color is your Bugatti?\nThe way to seek the truth."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>54\n\nI know this is a copypasta but\n>Tate has\nNo, Tate had.\n\nAnd that property in the most beautiful place in the world turned out to be a warehouse next to the airport with bars on the windows to stop the gypsies breaking in and trash strewn all over the place."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>61\nNo wonder he converted to Islam. I read somewhere something along the lines that Muslims are supposed to leave ignorance, but God’s favourite is the ones who leave Ignorance and become strong."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>61\n>you've lived long enough to witness internet apologetics for some random guy instead of religion"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>civilization A invents guns\n>civilization B is made up of retarded brutes that cant develop a working formula for ballistics\n>civilization A conquers civilization B with guns\nHow can you retards even make this argument in the modern age? Maybe if wars were fought with stone instead of drones kek.\n\nGo watch some slavniggers getting vaporized by drone operator zoomies with a PS4 controller if you need a wakeup call from your nigger fantasym"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n\nEven if wars were still fought with stone, this retarded half nigger would be getting his head smashed in by a smart person sneaking into his cave while he's asleep."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown →\nI'm tired of snownigger Zoomer shitheads acting like IE admixture somehow correlates with lighter features. How do you explain things like this?\n\nhttps://ecoevocommunity.nature.com/posts/38003-what-were-blue-eyed-people-doing-in-northern-israel-6-500-years-ago\n\nThey had no steppe admixture. Just because someone has light features, does not indicate Aryan/Sintashta admixture, and high Aryan/Sintashta ancestry does not guarantee having lighter features. Just because Shah Ismail I has light features does not make him somehow more related to you snow niggers. For example, plenty of dark-skinned people have more steppe admixture than fair people, and if I remember correctly, Yamnaya were swarthy complexion too. The point is: race is not skin deep.\n\nSnow niggers are trying to Balkanize countries with their revival of Nordicism. For this reason, I am going to support all the raping, Jewish shenanigans, and so on now to end your detestable race. A race that led to the cancer of industrialization and is better off dead. A race that needs to die immediately for the world to stabilize. Not even Jews are this bad."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nNo, you."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk Cool but Indians are still epic badasses!!!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is already well established OP, the 2 ethnic groups with the highest IE admixture are northeastern finns and southern tajiks; they look nothing alike and theyre only off by about 2%"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you know what \"correlate\" means? Obviously there are Steppe-rich individuals with relatively dark features and Steppe-poor individuals with relatively light features. But that doesn't mean there's no correlation."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt has more to do with WHG admixture but it correlates with IE admixture"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThis is pretty accurate"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>blue eyed people\nCHG descendants.\nCHGs had some light eyes and light features from ANE.l and WHG.\nAryans were light, very light, Andronovo were lighter than modern Finns.\nThat pic is low quality.\n\nSteppe = White\nSimple as"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nTajiks do not have as much steppe as North euros, finns have more EHG not steppe.\n>>6\nWHG and ANE. When WHG and ANE mixed they produced the first Nordic type.\nEarliest blonde hair blue eyed man is from Paleolithic Ukraine and is EHG."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nLight features came from dzudzuana (caucasus), IE peoples looked like navajo and other amerindians"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>does not correlate\nplease learn what the words you want to use mean before making a new thread"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Tajiks do not have as much steppe as North euros\nYoure right, some tajiks have even more"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose samples were notable for being unusually light eyed. People before them in that place had brown eyes and people after them also mostly had brown eyes."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>distance\nCHG in Yamnaya pulls them closer but that not the same thing as having more Yamnaya ancestry. I have seen Tajik models and they rarely exceed 50% Sintashta on average."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nRetard\nDistance =/= ancestral composition\nTajiks have 35-45% steppe ancestry on average"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>IE / Aryan admixture does not correlate with lighter features.\nDebunked by actual science mordvix"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nThere are people alive today with 77% PIE and they are all exclusively in Europe.\nAmerindians are too admixed with mongoloids, Amerindians look more mongoloid than the Jomon, who are archaic east eurasians.\n>>12\nNope. Less. Far less. Yammaya isn’t PIE. CWC is.\n\nYamnaya had no R1a and Yamnaya R1b is found only in Greeks and Armenians"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>There are people alive today with 77% PIE\nName them"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nIn fact, according to this study steppe ancestry is negatively correlated with light features"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nYamnaya is PIE and early CW is 95% Yamnaya.\n>We find that the first individuals in Central and Northern Europe carrying high amounts of Steppe-ancestry, associated with the Corded Ware culture, share high rates of long IBD (12-25~cM) with Yamnaya herders of the Pontic-Caspian steppe, signaling a strong bottleneck and a recent biological connection on the order of only few hundred years, providing evidence that the Yamnaya themselves are a main source of Steppe ancestry in Corded Ware people."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nThat's comparable to northern euros, though this is irrelevant, point is that they're phenotypically distinct while sharing the same genetic affinities"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n50% Sintashta is like 35% Yamnaya. More like Swiss than Northern Euros."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe dregs of northern European society discovering archaeogenetics and racism has been a disaster for both fields."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm tired of snownigger Zoomer shitheads acting like IE admixture somehow correlates with lighter features.\nAren't coping mordvix and paki tajik they only ones who do it on this board?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nYou didn't respond to the point"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nPeople in Central Asia with less Sintashta than Tajiks generally look even more \"phenotypically distinct\"."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNo they dont"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nYes they do."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nMostly.\nIt really makes a lot of sense that the people larping the most about Nordicism aren't even proper Nordic, like all those Latino white supremacists."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nWrong"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nYes you are wrong."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>like all those Latino white supremacists.\nWho?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>12\nnot really, tajiks don't have enough EHG to be Even 40% steppe.\nTarget: Tajik_Rushan\nDistance: 3.3438% / 0.03343788\n19.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n14.8 GEO_CHG\n14.6 CHN_Tarim_EMBA1\n13.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n12.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n12.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n10.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n3.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nconsidered steppe was 60-56% EHG, half would be 25% in the lowest of cases, 25% steppe is more likely, considered they are only 12% EHG\nthey do have tarim tough, it means they are mixed with WSHG"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nThat study forgets that sintasha were some of the highest steppe populations in the bronze age. Way more than beakers. And also the lightest. With andronovo in kairan being ligther than scandinavians\nLmao"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nThis is one of the /pol/ guys who got arrested for making threats against that sheriff.\n>According to the sister, Zapata is Hispanic but identifies himself as white or German to involve himself in white supremacist chat rooms, court records show."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\nYamnaya were genocided by Srubnaya and all Yamnaya related indoeuropean languages are dead.\nThe only IE is CWC. As is the only one who remains"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>10\nDzudzuana was black skinned, black eyed and black haired.\n\nEHG was light skinned, in fact his derived SLC has a stronger bleaching effect than the Anatolian one (see why brits with the EHG depigmentation alelles are paler than italians with the anatolian ones)\n\nOldest blonde hair genes were found in AG3. And then later blondes widespread among EHG and half EHG Scandinavian HG\n\nThen finally blue eyes, present mostly in WHG midgets who were black haired and black skinned (0% depigmentation alelles for skin in fact).\n\nYamnaya were doli, leptorrhine, etc. Clearly nordid. Amerinds are a mutts. 60% Han chinese. Low cold adaptation due to the tropical late paleolithic han chinese ancestry."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\nThat's why tajiks shown modern mongoloid admixture"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>Amerinds are a mutts. 60% Han chinese.\nAre you using \"Han Chinese\" as a shorthand for \"East Asian\" or are you saying American Indians actually have Han ancestry?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\n>for making threats against that sheriff.\nFor what reason? He has that square ANE jaw"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nNot really. WHG were black midgets only with blue eyes.\nUnless you believe iberians. Notewhorty for being brown Nafris can be as white as scandinavians depending in the region lmao"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nWe actually once found a ANE jaw. But just once. In AG3. And she was described as gracile"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>For what reason?\nIIRC it started when the sheriff said that his department was going to crack down on white nationalist groups. A /pol/ poster said something along the lines of \"I'm going to kill that sheriff in Minecraft,\" but I guess someone showed the thread to the sheriff, and shockingly, adding \"in Minecraft\" doesn't make death threats against law enforcement officials acceptable, so that poster got arrested. This set /pol/ off pretty badly, and they started spamming death threats against the sheriff, leading to more arrests."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>36\nGreek, Armenian and Albanian are all non-CW."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nand they are untouchable dalits"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nancient greeks were pretty impressive"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nThe only untouchable here is you, by women."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nhijra, reservation, now.\nor the Kashtriya death squads will come for you"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>37\nGarbled bullshit"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nBy the way learn what dalit means you fucking retard."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>31\nStop talking to yourself"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nThe churka conscriptions squads are going to send you bakhmut first."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nConscription*"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis isn't news honestly, we already have a shitton of Yamnaya samples and they're all fucking shitskins with brown hair and brown eyes\n\neven near easterners were lighter than IEs lmao"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>18\nIndividuals in North Europe.\nI wasn’t talking about the average for a population, I meant individual people.\nNowhere else reaches European levels of Steppe.\nSorry but Europeans conquered the ancient world just as they conquered the present one.\nSeethe troon."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>I meant individual people\nOh yeah me too btw"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>20\nYamnaya is not PIE, they probably didn’t even speak a language intelligible with PIE considering their descendants are half IE speaking and half Caucasus speaking.\n\nAlso no, CWC is not 95% Yamnaya.\nEarly CWC has less farmer than Yamnaya."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>6\nIt doesn't correlate with IE admixture"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>17\nEarly CWC is majority R1b\nR1a is not PIE or IE\ncope slavshit"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nearly CWC is identical to yamnaya with like 2% more HG ancestry"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>23\nFarm animal.\n>>25\n>>21\nThey don’t have the same genetic affinity.\nSouth Tajiks do not have the most steppe either, it’s Pamirs, who famously are the only people outside of Europe with blonde hair.\nPamiris are the most steppe people in Asia and have blondes.\nRather obvious where they get it from.\n>>29\n>>35\nThis guy isn’t on/his/ posting obscure archeogenetics threads.\nHe is probably a fed, he isn’t a White supremacist Germanic, he posted a threat to shitwood, that’s all we know about him.\n\nYou are just a seething piece of farm equipment angry the Arya are mogging you still.\nEuropeans are better."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\n>just as they conquered the present one.\naren't most europeans being conquered and bred out of existence by literal niggers and muslims though?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>42\nShe was a 14 year old girl.\n>you go up to pic rel and tell her she’s a gracile subhuman unfit to dwell in the mammoth hunting Neanderthal icescape that is hyperborea"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>55\nthere's not even 50% steppe in northern europe though"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>46\nFor 100 years they were impressive relative to other browns.\nI like the Greeks\nThey are nothing compared to even a small steppe nation like the aryans of holland or Norway"}, {"id": 66, "content": "Threadly reminder that Europeans got their lighter features from Near Eastern EEFs to whom they owe around half of their DNA to."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nMordvix won.\nAnyway cease posting that shitty K6 darktroon"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>54\nCheck the more recent data. A third of yamnaya were fair."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>57\n>providing evidence that the Yamnaya themselves are a main source of Steppe ancestry in Corded Ware people.\nbegone, midwit"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>60\nNope. They have sub 5% farmer, Yamnaya uniformly has 10-15% and CWC also has more HG, about 10%.\nThey are quite different.\nThey probably did look similar, you know with both roughly being 1/6 blonde and 1/3 North euro looking.\nVery light for a Paleolithic tribe."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>66\nnope, only mediterraneans are related to EEF, the non-white europeans, eef are the inferior race of brown dravidian hijra asi alpine goblinitos, just like mediterraneans, thats a SHG btw from rodhalls"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\nCompare to Yamnaya phenotype\npvre aryvn"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>62\nNo, Europeans have not yet even fought a single battle let alone war.\nWhy does it make you afraid that Europeans could take up arms again?\nDo you realize how one sided it was the first time?\nDo you think it will be so the second time?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>66\nThat’s a Danish SHG.\n>>69\nCWC predates Yamnaya. We really should ban browns from using the internet."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>67\nIsn't mordvix the dude who was talking about australoid-chinkoid ANEs? I've never seen him post screenshots from studies\n\n>>68\nPost the source. Southern Arc paper doesn't include a single fair skinned steppoid"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>66\n>12. A skull from Rødhals at Sejerø, indicating genetic continuity from the Mesolithic into the Neolithic. Corrected for the marine reservoir effect, this individual is radiocarbon dated to c. 3750 BC, i.e. Nonetheless the robust cranium, the pronounced brow ridges, and the marine 13C level (-12.2‰) are typical features of the Mesolithic. In the later parts of the neolithic people were generally more gracile in appearance and subsisted primarily on terrestrial food\n>In terms of artefact types and production modes, the material culture of Rodhals represents the ultimate stage of the local fisher-hunter-gatherer Ertebolle Culture\n?\nthat's a SHG, the guy that reconstructed it just imagined the colors i guess"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\nI find it pretty cool, I think Europeans are good at war. The issue here is, when are they going to war?\n>raped daughters\n>raped sisters\n>murdered fathers\n>brothers dead from alcoholism or in jail for wrongthink\n>brainwashed and mutilated children\n>culture destroyed completely\n>put in jail any European who has a problem with this\n>fully controlled by jews, do nothing to stop them and in fact help them\n>literally going extinct\nAt what point do they fight back? Looks defeated to me\n\n>>70\nNope\nhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/363157308_The_genetic_history_of_the_Southern_Arc_A_bridge_between_West_Asia_and_Europe\nCWC is literally Yamnaya and Yamnaya is older by centuries. Early CWC is rich in R1b"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nso it's even less advanced than EEF? Yikes, northern euros look like people completely unrelated to them genetically and probably only carrying around 10% shg ancestry, the rest 90% being from people who looked nothing like them\nLMAO"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>74\n>CWC predates Yamnaya\nLMAO\nThe first Yamnaya sample is at least 150 years older than the first CW sample.\nTry harder."}, {"id": 80, "content": "Reminder the first CWC were mostly R1b\nhttps://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/35/eabi6941\ncan R1acels ever catch a break?\n\nYou were savage subhumans enslaved by your R1b gods"}, {"id": 81, "content": "EEF pygmy, Yamnaya, EHG and ASI pygmy"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>78\nshg are just EHG mixed with WHG.\nso your average SHG would likely just look like a random EHG, or a random WHG, or something in between"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nEarliest CWC predates yamnaya by 80 years tho"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nthe racial affinity of farmpygmies and ASI pygmies is striking, why is it so? that hijras look identical to the original dalits?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nthat has nothing to do with my point tho\nit could be whg or ehg or magdalenian. the point is that this ancestry is virtually extinct in europe\nit's in under 10% everywhere, maybe 15% in baltics\nnorthern euros do not look like their ancestors (eef and yamnaya)"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nnope"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nits a stupid point, SHG would look like his ancestors himself, so to speak, WHG or EHG\nso that EHG probably looked like a WHG or EHG, naturally, people who is 42% EHG will look similar to them often"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nThey look exactly like their ancestors, CWC.\nYou have to explain how 80% CWC groups like Andronovo and early NBA are somehow not European or CWC looking"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>people who is 42% EHG will look similar to them often\nmost EHG you can find in europe is what, 5%?\n\n>>88\nAndronovo just like all steppe MLBA is 60% steppe and 40% eef\nthey are also 1000+ years apart from cwc. during the bronze age there was significant sexual selection in northern europe for lighter features in order to survive in the forests\nhere are CWC btw >>58\nI don't see any shitskinned nords around. Well I do, since most nordic countries are majority paki by now AHAHAHA but you get my point"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>most EHG you can find in europe is what, 5%?\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 6.0935% / 0.06093472\n43.8 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n42.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n7.0 GEO_CHG\n6.8 Wales_Meso_WHG\n\n43%, average baltic must be arround 50%, i'll check in a while"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>83\nID: I0429 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya\n>3339-2916 calBCE\n\nEarliest CW sample:\nID: VLI076 Czech_Bohemia_CordedWare\n>3018-2899 calBCE"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\n>>90\nTarget: Estonian\nDistance: 7.7563% / 0.07756303\n52.8 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n36.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n6.6 Wales_Meso_WHG\n4.6 GEO_CHG\nyup"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nWith that logic swedes are 75% dzudzuana you mongoloid\nWhat's the direct (non Yamnaya) EHG they have? less than 5%\nIf you try to get EHG through Yamnaya, Yamnaya is still the vector. And nords don't look like Yamnaya at all"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>90\n>>93\nOh forgot, there's a paper on it\nhttps://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.05.04.490594v1\npage 21\nunder 10%\n\n>>91\nbohemia CWC are also full of R1b lmao"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>93\n>What's the direct (non Yamnaya) EHG they have?\nare you stupid? where else would EHG come from?\n>If you try to get EHG through Yamnaya, Yamnaya is still the vector. And nords don't look like Yamnaya at all\nthey do actually, a lot, oit has already been proven the dolichocephalic, lepthorrine, robust nordic race originated from EHG and was widespread by yamnayas, while the alpine hijra race originated in ASI and spread with EEF. you can post churka whisper reconstructions but i i won't mind, as reconstructions omit entirely soft tissue and left it all at the mercy of one particullar reconstructior... whom in this case is a georgian from the caucasus. mind how much i will care trusting him"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\neh, i don't care about that unrelased preprint, is like the one from lazardis that will never be relased or changed 360° before relasing, it also has errors striking with most literature, for instance, it models Basal into WHG, a thing undetectable and rejected by most studies."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nYamnaya looked hardly nordic\nYou can find more people in Saudi Arabia today looking like Yamnaya than in scandinavia\n>>72"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nsure, can you post a study where they model the total ehg in modern populations?\ni'll wait"}, {"id": 99, "content": "Where does R1a fit into all of this?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nNah not really. Who makes you think i will take seriously the reconstructions where a literal georgian gets to decide how facial tissues are arranged arbitrarily?\nI can do my own if i wanted lel\nThe skull is the same innit?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nnowhere, r1a was the slave underclass of their Yamnaya conquerors\nr1a populations were heavily influenced by farmers and abandoned any steppe culture to settle down and form the bronze age cultures in northeastern europe like the cucks they were\nvery sad case. everyone descended from them is being replaced by immigrants in his own country without fighting back. the curse affects even those who are r1b but descend from the r1a cwc population like brits or nords for example\n\nproof that bad dna is real. if you have a lot of it, you just die out\nall people with a lot of yamnaya/cwc dna are going extinct, its like a disease"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>still looks nothing like a nord\nthanks for proving my point"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Just because Shah Ismail I has light features does not make him somehow more related to you snow niggers\n>Um-m-m, j-j-just because he was white and had IE haplogoup doesn't mean that he's closer to europeans rather than turkoids...\nI guess your logic is beyond my comprehension.\nAlso:\n1.People of other north eurasian populations also had light features, tajiks are a mix of IE and west-asians, while europeans are a mix of IE, other ANE populations and EEF.\n2.EEF were a mix of farmers from anatolia and WHG (WHG had blue eyes).\n3.You doesn't understand the consepts of rarity, correlation and prevalence."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nThe closest resemblance\nlooks like a chechen"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Aryan admixture does not correlate with lighter features.\nNo shit. Yamnaya were dirty shitskin mudbloods."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nactually no, I'd say like some russians\nweird how some russians can look like yamnaya but nords don't"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>100\ndamn, this one looks norwegian\n>>104\n>>102\ni dont get it? why are you comparing individual faces with an average? they don't look like each other either individually"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nyep, phenotypically speaking the whole reason why meds are shitskins and nordics white is Yamnaya, by the surprise of no one"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>93\nNords look identical to Yammaya. Yamnaya skulls have 1:1s with modern Nordics.\nIt’s settled. There is no debate.\nYou are going to cling to outdated data.\nThere is the simple fact craniometrically Yamnaya are Nordic, and in pigmentation over a third of Yamnaya had North European pigmentation, vastly lighter than any other Paleolithic group aside from SHG and EHG, and EHG are their direct ancestors.\n>CHG were brown and make yamnaya brown\nCHG ancestry correlated with light features, CHGs also had blue eyes at a frequency similar to WHGs.\n\n\nYou are smelly and wrong dasya"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nThat's a bit sad to contemplate honestly. It means modern Nordics have no connection to their ancestors and are totally jewdified."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>107\nholy shit, he looks really nordic, let me check with an AI who are their most similar individuals"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\nnah\nsteppe phenotype here\n>>58\n>>54\nshitskins through and through, like the ones migrating to Scandinavia today\nnords are the neolithic farmers getting cucked now AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH"}, {"id": 113, "content": "Are you all retarded? Hadn't I given you enough proofs to finally admit ANF were Alpines and WSH were Nords? Why do you keep responding to darktroon outside memes about Kshatriya death squads?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nBEGONE HIJRA"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nnah, the neolithic farmers are meds, its quite sad, med ancestry has always been servant ancestry, trully the weakest race.\nnordics are phenotypically identical to yamnaya.\nbtw, hirisplex can't differentiate the derived SLC alelles from EHG and EEF, but when they were examined in detail they were divergent, deeply, White people has the EHG one selected, southern european pajeet lookalikes have the EEF one"}, {"id": 116, "content": "Miserable papuan tranny junglegoblin you will always be hated by everyone outside tour reservation."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nare southern europeans truly the inferior race of europe, meant to serve nordics? after all their characteristic is having more of the brown alpine pymgy ancestry, is the angular stone of their inferior race, is it also why they are dumber and uglier? the reason they look like pajeets?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\nThis."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nyes, just like in dalits vs brahmins on india, the race in europe is defined by the assimetry of Steppe brahmin nordics vs EEF Dalit iberian, italian and albanian meds\n\nin a similar way, those of higher WSH are the most smart and achieved, while the other are mere servants imported as farming equipment from anatolia"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>116\n>swedes are close to this\nwhy would a Swedish man be proud of being genetically close to picrel? yikes"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\ni see, it also mirrors the occurence of H hijra haplgoroup in danubians and H hijra halogroup in dalits.\nits almost as if both races were intimatelly connected in dalit-dom"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nor this"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\n>>122\nThose people put your family into reservation and made them starve, lmao."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\nbecause both Hijra dalits from India and Hijra dalits from europe share origins, both are descended from the original pygmy race, the one that carried H haplogroup\nthis is why ASI and Meds are the weakest races always subjugated by Aryans/nords"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>61\n>who famously are the only people outside of Europe with blonde hair\nTotal sensationalist bullshit, picrel are famous pamiri musicians, they look like every other tajik"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\nThat's a pretty based thing to do. Scandinavians should copy them\nWhat do you think?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nyes, alpine pygmy hijras belong in reservations as well"}, {"id": 128, "content": "impressive, really\nit seems that caste both in europe and India are entirely correlated with Aryan ancestry vs Pygmy ancestry"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nThey already did so, Alpine (hijra) race is the eternal slave race, there was not a single Alpine noble in Europe."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>107\n>>111\nSince this anon didn't deliver, I did it myself."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>126\n>>127\nJust found out the Kshatriya death squads are real: >>>/int/181162413"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>128\n500% more nordic ancestry in brahmins?\nwow... this must be quite shocking for indian people..."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>51\nIf I talked to myself I'd be more correct than when talking to you."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>130\ni was actually thinking AI struggles because it only gave me Anglos and i expected something else so i decided not to post it"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nYou are talking to yourself"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>127\n>>129\nI meant now you autist.\nAre you even Scandinavian?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>unknown\nKEK look who is the first result for the angry looking one"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>131\n>Russian\nRussians are mongol rapebabies lmao. You will always be a non-European outcast, chinkoid."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\n>hijra\nYou were caught. Surrender before I called the squad."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\n>farming will destroy society. billions of farmers must die"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>139\n>>hijra\n>You were caught. Surrender before I called the squad."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe funny thing about this gif is that despite the coloring and bushy eyebrows making him look like a persian or something, his face still looks odd\n\nthat's because of the feminine midface, that guy is a scandinavian, isn't he? \"aryan\" type men look like square jawed women"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\nGuy on op doesn't looks like that. The guy you posted is part finnish"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>142\n>hijra tries to re-force her own race\nLMAOOOOOOOO"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>142\n>his face still looks odd"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>125\n>these three pamiris are representative of all pamirs\nWould three Norwegians with dark hair mean all Scandinavians are dark haired?\nWould three blonde Norwegians mean all Scandinavians are blonde?\n\nThere are blonde pamirs, that is a fact. Their nordic features are from steppe Aryan tribes."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>142\nDarktroon. What are you trying?"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>112\nEven on those charts they have blondes lol\n>current trend will continue and never change\n>you won’t do shit\nIt’s always funny because people who say this have nervous breakdowns when they hear about European special ops groups going rogue or europeans becoming upset with their government, it’s as if they know their entire race exists because europeans allow them."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>61\n>he isn’t a White supremacist Germanic\nUnlike captain Kamchatka and Tajikistan who are very Germanic. And definitely not a coping mystery meat and adjunct social reject Slav.\n>You are just a seething piece of farm equipment angry the Arya are mogging you still.\nVGH THE ARYAN COBALT MINERS OF KVMCHVTKVH AND KVRVCHI STREETFOOD VENDORS.....\nYou are not going to obtain anyone's positive qualities through osmosis."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nI recant my statement, keep reading Carlton Coon and maybe some day you'll achieve something. In your room alone reading your genetics tests, like a reel ayyrian."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\n(This is definitely not reminiscent of the self-masturbatory and self-destructive impulses moribund peoples and civilizations engage in to cope with their malaise)"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>149\n>KAMCHATKA IS... LE BAD"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\n>Inb4 duh ayyrian skuad defaults to their faggy little enemies."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\n>Kamchatka is le bad even doe is the ancient homeland of the hiyperborean race that selected for cold survival and developed higher iq in consequence"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\nIt is not le bad. But a Kamchatkan is not a German and vice versa. It's a pretty nice peninsula all things considered. Winter there must be a bitch though."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\n>The hyperborean koriak people in all their glory\nUnless you are unironically a rodnover in which case lmao."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nI have nothing against the Russian far east. Or even really most of the people init."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>135\nNo"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>156\nHan chinese mesolithic invaders.\nIm talking about the upper paleolithic hiperboreans dumb ape."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>90\nBad fit. Yamnaya + EEF + Whg +Ehg gives 34% EHG to Swedes from all sources combined."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nIf it was the case the model would just pick what you are claiming."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>159\nThe Han did not exist in the Mesolithic.\nAlso, ANE isn't from Kamchatka they're from around Lake Baikal, move to Irkutsk Illya."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\n>The Han did not exist in the Mesolithic\nCope\n>Also, ANE isn't from Kamchatka they're from around Lake Baikal\nIt was likely widespread into kamchatka though"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>161\nYour model is too distal to pick up the correct amount. The model just spits out numbers based on inputs and targets getting them correct is the user's responsibility."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nThe yamnaya source is too distal to model swedes. The corded ware specific source that gave rise to them had higher EHG already."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>162\nSpeaking of which\n>This is how mordvix lives\n>>163\n>Cope\nDilate\n>It was likely widespread into Kamchatka though\nFair enough."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>165\n(1/2)\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 2.3257% / 0.02325668\n67.0 Corded_Ware_DEU\n29.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n3.4 England_Mesolithic\n0.0 RUS_Samara_HG\n\nTarget: POL_Globular_Amphora\nDistance: 3.5121% / 0.03512117\n74.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n23.2 England_Mesolithic\n2.0 RUS_Samara_HG\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n\n\nTarget: Corded_Ware_DEU\nDistance: 6.4903% / 0.06490310\n54.6 RUS_Samara_HG\n27.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n17.4 GEO_CHG\n0.8 England_Mesolithic\n\nFor Corded ware, a Yamnaya intermediate-\n\nTarget: Corded_Ware_DEU\nDistance: 3.3037% / 0.03303735\n74.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n17.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n6.0 England_Mesolithic\n2.6 RUS_Samara_HG\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n\nTarget: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\nDistance: 6.0807% / 0.06080716\n60.0 RUS_Samara_HG\n32.6 GEO_CHG\n7.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n0.0 England_Mesolithic\n\nI could make a better model for Yamnaya but it would give less EHG:\n\n\nTarget: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\nDistance: 3.6069% / 0.03606864\n80.2 RUS_Progress_En\n10.0 RUS_Samara_HG\n5.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n4.0 England_Mesolithic\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n\nTarget: RUS_Progress_En\nDistance: 5.3473% / 0.05347313\n55.4 RUS_Samara_HG\n44.6 GEO_CHG\n0.0 England_Mesolithic\n0.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n\nFrom this, Yamnaya gets 80.2*(55.4/100)% + 10% = 54.4% EHG, qpadm gives around 50% to Yamnaya so the 60% estimate is generous.\n\nCorded ware EHG sources = 74.6% Yamnaya + 2.6% EHG = 74.6*(60/100)% + 2.6% = 47.36% EHG. This is with the high end Yamnaya estimate. Using this for Swedes in the original model, they get 31.73% EHG from Corded ware and 0.592% from GAC, which gives 32.3%. Even if we felt like being more than fair, unfairly high, we could go with the shitty fit basic Corded ware model with 54.6% EHG. Then, Swedes get 36.582% + 0.592% = 37.174% EHG. This is after using the shittier corded ware model which had the highest EHG and after assuming the highest EHG for Yamnaya. The opposite end, would give you 27.2% EHG (50% EHG in Yamnaya + using the Yamnaya model for CWC and the minor EHG in GAC)."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>167\n>>165\nThe average of the unfairly low end and unfairly high end is 32.187%. All 3 of these are very indirect results, here is a more direct one using Yamnaya + GAC + HGs + assuming Yamnaya is 60% EHG (high end)-\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 3.3991% / 0.03399110\n46.8 UKR_Globular_Amphora\n45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n4.8 RUS_Samara_HG\n3.2 England_Mesolithic\n\nabout 32% combined EHG in this one. Very similar to the estimation from the CWC model where it was modeled as Yamnaya + EHG + Farmer + both HGs. These values converge at 32%, low end is about 5% lower, high end is about 5% higher. So the average is 32% +- 5% EHG in total from these models."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>167\n>>168\nUse sidelkino. Not samara.\nSidelkino is the oldest"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>167\nwhen i named corded ware, i meant the early corded ware, that's the source of Steppe in europe, as you can see it contains higher EHG.\n\n\nTarget: Corded_Ware_POL_early\nDistance: 6.7580% / 0.06758048\n61.4 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n30.8 GEO_CHG\n7.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n\nTarget: Yamnaya_UKR\nDistance: 6.0761% / 0.06076138\n57.8 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n36.0 GEO_CHG\n6.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 4.1095% / 0.04109528\n48.4 Corded_Ware_POL_early\n33.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n10.4 Wales_Meso_WHG\n7.6 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n\nfor CWC early using yamnaya\n\nTarget: Corded_Ware_POL_early\nDistance: 2.8087% / 0.02808655\n93.4 Yamnaya_UKR\n3.4 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n3.2 Wales_Meso_WHG\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 4.7227% / 0.04722721\n41.6 Yamnaya_UKR\n34.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n12.4 Wales_Meso_WHG\n11.4 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>167\n>>170\nbtw, yamnaya from ukraine is the best proxy for yamnaya in europe, as it has been noted that the core indoeuropean language must have come from west pontic areas\n\nhttps://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0275744"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>169\n(1/2)\nVariation 1:\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 3.4288% / 0.03428812\n47.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n7.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n1.6 England_Mesolithic\n\nTarget: POL_Globular_Amphora\nDistance: 3.4945% / 0.03494525\n74.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n22.8 England_Mesolithic\n2.4 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n\n\nAssuming 60% EHG in Yamnaya (as before in this method): 43*0.6 + 7.8 = 33.6% EHG from Yamnaya and 47.6*0.024 = 1.1424% EHG from GAC = 34.75% EHG from both in variation 1.\n\nVariation 2:\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 2.3111% / 0.02311130\n63.6 Corded_Ware_DEU\n31.2 POL_Globular_Amphora\n2.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n2.4 England_Mesolithic\n\nMaking distal model for CWC:\nTarget: Corded_Ware_DEU\nDistance: 6.4055% / 0.06405494\n54.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n24.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n20.8 GEO_CHG\n0.0 England_Mesolithic\n\nMaking a Yamnaya intermediate-\n\nTarget: Corded_Ware_DEU\nDistance: 3.2980% / 0.03297959\n73.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n17.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n5.6 England_Mesolithic\n3.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n\nTarget: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\nDistance: 6.0730% / 0.06073019\n59.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n37.0 GEO_CHG\n4.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n0.0 England_Mesolithic\n\nBetter model for Yamnaya but with less EHG:\n\nTarget: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\nDistance: 3.4652% / 0.03465172\n78.0 RUS_Progress_En\n13.4 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n6.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n2.4 England_Mesolithic\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n\nTarget: RUS_Progress_En\nDistance: 6.0808% / 0.06080827\n53.2 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n46.8 GEO_CHG\n0.0 England_Mesolithic\n0.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n\n(progress and Yamnaya tend to be roadblocks).\n\nFrom, this, Yamnaya is 78*(53.2/100)% + 13.4% = 54.9% EHG. qpadm low end if ~50%, the 59% we got from Sidelkino can be rounded up to 60%.\n\nCWC EHG sources from Yamnaya model = 73.4*(60/100)% + 3.6% = 47.6% EHG, using the high end 60% in Yamnaya value. Plugging in for Swedes in variation 2: 30.27% (from CWC) + 0.75% from GAC + 2.8% extra EHG = ~34%.\nHigh end using the basic but bad fit CWC model: 34.73% + 0.75% + 2.8% extra = 38.28%.\nThe opposite end is 29.18%."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>169\n>>172\n(2/2)\nAverage of extremes using Sidelkino is 33.73%.\nGoing back to the basic model of Swedes using yamnaya and sidelkino (variation 1):\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 3.4288% / 0.03428812\n47.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n7.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n1.6 England_Mesolithic\n\ngave us ~34.75%. Slightly more than the first thing in variation 2. Average of high end 38.28% and low end 29.18% is 33.73%. Here there is some deviation: variation 1 gives 34.75% EHG, the swedes-modeled-as-cwc-modeled-as-yamnaya version in variation 2 gives 34% EHG and then the average of extremes in variation 2 gives 33.73%. So, with sidelkino the average is 33.73%-34.75% +- 4%"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>172\n>>167\nbad fits, fits below 5-6 are not reliable because it evidences that they are sensible to actual drift rather than proportional ancestry, which is why using basal components gives the most reliable results."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>174\nthis, no one is interested in knowing how much drift-affinity swedes have for yamnaya and CWC, we already know it's high, but it simply skews any model just like pulling irish in a model for scottish will skew it.\n\nfortunately we have basal samples from the paleolithic and early neolithic including these\nwhich allows us to get good fits undrifted and aunnafected\n\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 6.0935% / 0.06093472\n43.8 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n42.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n7.0 GEO_CHG\n6.8 Wales_Meso_WHG\n\nswedes particullary clearly have baltic admixture\n\nTarget: Estonian\nDistance: 7.7563% / 0.07756303\n52.8 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n36.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n6.6 Wales_Meso_WHG\n4.6 GEO_CHG\n\nTarget: Icelandic\nDistance: 6.7689% / 0.06768889\n43.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n41.2 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n8.2 GEO_CHG\n7.6 Wales_Meso_WHG"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>170\nHere, using early CWC early gives 37.3%, using Yamnaya directly gives 36.36%, using Yamnaya via early CWC gives 36.37%; in both cases Yamnaya is assumed to be 60% EHG, if we use Yamnaya as 57.8% EHG then those numbers change to 35.45% and 35.37% respectively. Maybe the numbers could be different if you used Polish GAC instead for Barcin (and assumed GAC to be 2.4% Sidelkino which is what I get from my model while using England_Meso to model it as the main WHG input)."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\n>>175\nIf you want better fits, then here is a model of Swedes directly using Yamnaya:\n\nVariation 1:\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 3.4288% / 0.03428812\n47.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n7.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n1.6 England_Mesolithic\n\nTarget: POL_Globular_Amphora\nDistance: 3.4945% / 0.03494525\n74.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n22.8 England_Mesolithic\n2.4 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n\nWhich is 34.75% Sidelkino."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\n>this EHG over WSH\nWhat's the reason for this mistake?"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>178\nElaborate. In that simple model I made Swedes modeled using GAC + Yamnaya + extra EHG + extra (northern) WHG. Then I made a different model to see if there is any EHG in GAC, and using Sidelkino in that model I get 2.4% EHG and then I plug that back into the original model. Also I assume Yamnaya is 60% EHG there. 43x0.6 + 47.6x0.024 + 7.8 = 34.7424% which I bumped up to the nearest higher hundredth of 34.75% in my final answer (instead of the nearest lower hundredth)."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>178\nI've seen G25 like EHG/BHG to try and account for Balto-Slavic drift, which Swedes have a bit of.\nI don't think they have much SHG but if Norwegians and Icelandic show it too then that's a possible option."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>177\ninteresting, this models would make of swedes 34.75% EHG, 37.3% +/- 1% EEF, 16% CHG and 12% whg, if im not mistaken? im not wondering, what is the real ammount of CHG in europe?"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>179\n>elaborate\nNeither Swedes nor Slavs nor anybody else has a huge (more than 4%) amount of additional (besides the one from WSH) EHG ancestry.\n>>180\nIt has nothing in common with Balto-Slavic drift (if it exists at all)."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>181\nIf you model with Yamnaya as an input that could be taken as the only CHG contributor. Minimum CHG in Yamnaya in G25 is 35% to 40%. If you wanted something more precise you could break down non-Yamnaya inputs into more elemental stuff to see if they too have CHG. Like if GAC is a non-Yamnaya input you could break down GAC as Anatolian + WHG + EHG + CHG to see if they have any CHG."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>182\n>Neither Swedes nor Slavs nor anybody else has a huge (more than 4%) amount of additional (besides the one from WSH) EHG ancestry.\nIt isn't supposed to be literal, its just supposed to pick up all EHG affinity not picked up by the other inputs. They themselves don't have to be literal either (like how you can make 1 model using Yamnaya and another using early CWC, both cannot be true at the same time as the sole inputs of steppe ancestry, at least 1 has to be false), this way you can see if an extra component is needed to capture more affinity. If you want exact stuff, you can start with any basic model, and replace each component one step at a time using better proxies, one change at a time to isolate the affect of changing proxies in the component's place until you get a high confidence model which is the best you get. Then you can make a petri-dish effect by taking each input and then making a model where that input is the target and repeat the same process of finding best ancestral proxies for it. Doing it long enough will get you ancestral heritage for inputs into modern Europe and the ancestors of those inputs for whatever the upper limit of temporal validity G25 has."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>182\n>It has nothing in common with Balto-Slavic drift (if it exists at all).\nIn similar G25 models, all of the B-S populations pick up an EHG shifted source that western euros fail to (unless you put a balticBA source). It's a defect."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\n>it's a defect\nExactly. So why does it happen?"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>186\nI don't know. Presumably that's what the actual source shares the most drift with. But it's not identical."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>181\nassumed yamnaya is effectively 50% CHG rather than 40%, people like icelandics or irish would be arround 25%, more likely, northern euros of that sort are arround 19-20% accounting other factors, would make of them some of the highest CHG pops outiside the caucasus itself i think"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>64\nIf only SA had a more homogeneous autosomal distribution like Europe."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>188\n>>181\nAnd calculators from Gedmatch show percentages close to that too. What's wrong with G25 exactly? Why does it underestimate CHG and overestimate EHG?"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>190\nNot a clue, maybe the CHG sample we haves are poorly emulated in G25"}, {"id": 192, "content": "Can someone explain why G25 PCA gives strange results like Swedes plotting near East Slavs? Any way to correct it?"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\nIt's not strange actually. Both East Slavs and Northern Germanics are 50% Steppe on average so they are more Eastern Shifted compared to West Euros and Southrons who have less Steppe and more Farmer DNA."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>193\nWhy are the results different?"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>194\nBecause a 2D PCA can only use two dimensions, while the distance function uses all 25 dimensions."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>unknown\nFactually untrue. All sources including FST and actual PCAs show a strong east-West genetic distinction. As well as a north-south one.\nBut NW europe is relatively genetically homogeneous"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>196\nShow one."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>unknown\nSource?"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>198\n>Revealing the recent demographic history of Europe via haplotype sharing in the UK Biobank"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>199\nThanks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Appreciate if someone could do genetic breakdown and explain like Im 5 about BMAC culture, origins, dna, pheno, influence, etc.\n\nPicrel.\nLeft - BMAC\nRight - AASI"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEverything that so drastically distinguished indo-iranic cultures from other indo european cultures came from BMAC; they had fire worship, were among the first civilizations to perform weightlifting (a vedic practice), took common oaths, had ritualized drug usage (soma, cannabis, opium etc.), venerated animals, especially of bulls and bovines; they most likely spoke an archaic branch of the elamite language and were among the few cultures to seemingly have had positive relations with indo europeans (in this case sintashta), which would explain why indo-iranian languages are such an innovative linguistic branch as they probably got along well; they traded with AASI, which is evidenced by common artistic motives, BMAC art is found on indus valley coins -- AASI probably spoke a dravidian language and didnt share any common ancestry with BMAC; zoroastrianism was very heavily influenced by the BMAC culture, IIRC about 382 designated religious terms found in zoroastrianism are believed to be of BMAC origin, zarathustras name even has the BMAC word *ustra in it (meaning camel)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>AASI probably spoke a dravidian language\nWhat's the evidence for this? Isn't the predominant theory that Proto-Dravidian was brought to India by the Iranian component of the IVC?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo, Iran_N admixture is well-established to correlate with elamites and bmac, not with ivc"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAs far as I know AASI didnt speak Dravidian language but thanks for the input, great info. Also, were BMAC friendly with IVC?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe IVC was majority Iran_N."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhat? Its in the title, they were AASI, are you new 2 this or sumthin'?\n>>5\nThey traded and influenced each others cultures, I'd say they were anything but hostile"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAll the Indus 'migrants' are mostly Iran_N."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGlnBnzzoKM [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>What? Its in the title, they were AASI, are you new 2 this or sumthin'?\nUh, no, they were the result of Iran_N mixing with AASI. How many IVC samples are pure or even nearly pure AASI?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBMAC looked almost identical just lighter, kek"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey both looks like darker Finns who are mostly ANE"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nModern pajeets with the same phenotype"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How much % AASI ancestry did BMAC had\nRun g25 to see"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>>10\nWhy are indians so bad at anthropology?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you have a standalone BMAC picture?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy he looks different than in the op?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\n>All the Indus 'migrants' are mostly Iran_N.\nDo you have g25 models for it? BMAC seems to have been a mix of iran (asi admixed to begin with), and maykop, and asi"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nEarly IE had bull worship, ritualized drug use (mead), and common oath (involving ritual animal sacrifice), fire worship (there equivalent of agnis in Greek and Roman mythology as well as Albanian) as well. In fact bulls worship is directly tied to the IE creation myth. Rituals and excessive pedestalization of the priestly class (which probably then spread to Celts from early Indo-Iranians) along with later Hindu practices probably do come from BMAC though."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nBull worship is not present in IE cosmogony. The only bovine element stressed in proto-IE is the cow (female)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nDifferent reconstruction, OP here BMAC individual had overly grown canny jaw so I shaved his mandible in photoshop to look normal"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHe probably had square jaw like that since some modern Indians do. Do you have a standalone original version?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>5\nKusunda and Vedda are probably closest to AASI languages."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>>6\n>>8\nSarai reconstruction is of hunter gatherer and Iran_N has large ASI admixture"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nWhoever makes these reconstructions try their best to make them look bad idk why"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\nWho ever makes these needs to work on the hair. Not all ancient people had straight Injun-like hair."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nIt's in ANF. BMAC can't copyright it anyhow."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nNah, it's likely they were robust. They had a lot of australoid ancestry"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nDo you have that meme compilation of EEFs?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nThis post has been claimed by BMAC incorporated. All rights reserved"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>19\n>there equivalent of agnis in Greek and Roman mythology as well as Albanian\nBMAC influence"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn BMAC? Next to little AASI."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>>31\n\nBased BMAC supremacy I kneel"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\nSure but AASI were pure Australoid still its reconstruction looked better in comparison to original BMAC one, owner of ancestral whispers is doing great work but 90% of his reconstructions look weird as fuck"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>6\n>>4\nivc was 30% AASI on average, but they weren't homogeneous, there are some samples that have a lot more and some that have a lot less, they average out at around 30%"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nSo they would like average central-south Indians?\n>>2\nTell me everything you know about the aasi abo culture anon. What do we know about them, what they looked like, what their society was like etc. Did they even have a society, how did the Iranians and Aryans treat them, all pajeets have pretty significant aasi component, even the most north west ones, what explains that. Why does aasi go up when you go down the caste ladder, does this imply they were always treated badly? They're so fascinating since we know a lot about the IVC and Aryans, but these people are a complete fucking mystery when genetically they have the most contribution."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>unknown\n>>28\n>>34\n\nso bottom line is ? where BMAC more related to Iranian farmers or aasi( dravdians) ?\n\nsecondly, how much ancestry to modern South asians have from them ? Iranains/afghans?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>So they would like average central-south Indians?\nNo, southern Indians have more AASI than IVC did. But certain southern castes are nevertheless the closest to IVC of all modern Indians, because the northern Indians who have a more IVC-like Iran_N-to-AASI ratio also have significant Steppe (which IVC didn't have, obviously).\n>What do we know about them, what they looked like, what their society was like etc. Did they even have a society\nWe can make some guesses, but it's hard. It's tempting to ascribe all the non-Aryan features of Indian culture and religion to them, but some of those things were likely brought by Iran_N, and even autochthonous cultural/religious elements could be later innovations that had nothing to do with pre-Aryan cultures (just like how American Christianity has certain elements in it that aren't European but also aren't from the Native Americans, e.g. Mormonism comes from Upstate New York but has nothing to do with the religion of the Iroquois). In terms of language, it's POSSIBLE that the Dravidian languages actually come from AASI, even though the dominant theory is that Dravidian was brought to India by Iran_N. There's also a numerically and socially marginal Indian language called Nihali, which is a language isolate that likely comes from AASI.\n>how did the Iranians and Aryans treat them, all pajeets have pretty significant aasi component, even the most north west ones, what explains that. Why does aasi go up when you go down the caste ladder, does this imply they were always treated badly?\nContrary to popular belief, strict caste endogamy wasn't brought to India by the Aryans, nor was it implemented by the IVC. It actually developed later, which is why even northwest Indian upper castes are mostly non-Steppe, and why even tribal peoples in southern India aren't purely AASI. That being said, the fact that the most AASI-rich populations in India are societally marginal peoples does imply that there was a general hierarchy."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>But certain southern castes are nevertheless the closest to IVC of all modern Indians\n\nWhich ones? And what do you know about the south west Indian castes and their genetic profile, they seem different from South East Indians\nFor reference: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.14.484270v1.full\n\nAre the bunt, nayr, thiya, ezhava, hoysala castes any different from the average SI's"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>Which ones?\nMiddle castes like Velama, Reddy, and Kamma. The backwards castes have too much AASI and the Brahmins have too much Steppe.\n>And what do you know about the south west Indian castes and their genetic profile, they seem different from South East Indians\n>For reference: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.14.484270v1.full\n>Are the bunt, nayr, thiya, ezhava, hoysala castes any different from the average SI's\nI don't know much about them."}, {"id": 41, "content": "Europeans have the highest ANE admixture. Anything that puts Amerindians at 42% puts Europeans at twice that.\nTajiks do not have a lot of ANE. Their ANE is from steppe and they have less steppe than Europeans. Simple as.\n(Some) Maori are closer to ANE than anyone because they (some) are mostly European with Polynesian which plots them in between Europeans and Polynesians, which is where ANE plots, however they share basically no DNA with ANE.\nSame for Indians. They share basically nothing with ANE but as they are between europeans and asians they plot not close to ANE but on the same “latitude”.\nANE was 80% West Eurasian and 20% super-archaic Salkhit.\n\nWe also can literally see what ANE looked like, they looked European as the Tarim mummies have proven and they share facial SNPs with Europeans and Jomon, their faces literally did not look Amerind, their genotype is exclusively European and Jomon.\n\nYou may now cope and seethe\n\nEuropeans are the most like ANE\nHave well over 60% Archaic European which is the primary component of ANE, Europeans have more Salkhit than Amerinds which basically settles it forever.\nEuropeans are in fact the only people to have a substantial Salkhit input.\n\nIt’s over for mutts. You went ballistic in the last thread and it 404’d before I could educate you."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nMental breakdown"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nNot even remotely ANE panchito.\nSkull of Mangas coloradas, compare to the Kumsay skull or even to Kennewick."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>>43\nNot even remotely similar.\nANE = European\n\nYou may continue posting deviant art ."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>10\nIVC men probably oppressed AASI they had some kind of segregation system and did not like mixing with AASI. This all changed when the Indics came and decided they liked AASI a lot. A few centuries later and AASI is a majority component of Gangetics."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\nThis paste should be saved and reposted in every coping shitskins' thread."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>28\nThat is one, singular, robust skull, not representative of the broader group. It was more robust than other skulls I have seen from BMAC."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNo shit, retard. That single robust skull was the most robust skull found in Eurasia from the last 10,000 years. The last skull to match him in robustness is a Paleolithic Cro Magnon mammoth hunter."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nWhat are his measurements?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>45\n>IVC men probably oppressed AASI they had some kind of segregation system and did not like mixing with AASI\n\nWhat, IVC were average 30% aasi or more."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\n>>43\n>>44\nLarperboreans remain pathetic and tasteless\nYWNBANE"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nNo it’s not. Kumsay is the most robust."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>43\n>>44\nYoure experiencing a mental breakdown"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\nYeah those Amerindians are even more distant to ANE than Italians who barely have any ANE."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nMeds"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>>53\nHijra. Reservation. Now."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nIsn't this the chinkmonkey schizo obsessed with darktroon, this nigger is even worse than that paki. What was his name again"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nYeah even Meds are closer to ANE than Amerindians are. Even with 5x more ANE ancestry they still couldn't make the list."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>40\n>I don't know much about them.\nCan someone help me make sense of this study, I'm part Marathi and thiya, I want to know more about my kerala roots from a genetic point of view."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>51\nYou don’t even look like your own immediate ancestors, let alone ANE who comprise at the absolute most 20% of your ancestry.\nPinheaded potatoeface mongoloids whose adaptation to jungle life made them look like they have some kind of deformity."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>49\nIt's in Russian he has 134 mm bigonial, 176 mm bizygomatic, and 209 mm skull length.\n\n>>52\nKumsay was a child compared to this BMAC man."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nKumsay was much bigger and as for body to robustness ratio, WHGs mogged anything in farsland in terms of relative size and robustness.\nThe most robust individual ever outside of non-humans is La Brana."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>56\n>>58\nMental illness"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nKumsay's skull is smaller AND less robust. WHG were little turbomanlets."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>59\nThiya has 95%-100% IVC ancestry on an average, excluding later accommodated AASI rich South Indians due to caste intermixing"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>41\nWhat are you trying to prove? This thread was related to BMAC and AASI why are you brining Jewropeans here without any reason? You may continue this faggotry in some other Yamnaya larper thread though"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nWe literally enslaved you, poo. If you keep whining, somebody less patient will order a Kshatriya death squad to execute you."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>63\nYou have an undiagnosed one, yes."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nYou didnt do shit basement dwelling bhangichud. Im a brahmin myself and Kshatriya death squads arent even a fucking thing faggot, Kshatriya is old slang for 2nd varna to Brahmins nd nobody uses that word to identify themselves now retarded larper"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nYou've bothered me enough, hijra. The Kshatriya death squad will enter your reservation in three days."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nAnother larping schizo from indiachan, kys unironically"}, {"id": 72, "content": "Janny ban this projecting Kshatriya larper darkwitch alt, ruins every thread"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>>72\n>this hijra is afraid\nThat's your fate, revolting poos. The Kshatriya death squad."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nOver for your projection desu, \"Kshatriya death squad\" is something a 24/7 basement dweller would come up with to fuel his projection\nBrahmins btfoed Kshatriyas everytime without being hostile idiots"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nIt's too late, hijra, the armed guys are already travelling to your jungles."}, {"id": 76, "content": "Kshatriya is a meme in modern day India and only self hating chamars use it for solidarity btw"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nKshatriyas are loyal to Brahmins idk what this nigger schizo is up to"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>>77\nAren't you familiar with the kind of tortures Kshatriya death squads are using before executing such little hijras like you? Google it."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nI'm a Brahmin and Kshatriyas suck our dick monthly because they are retarded low iq bhangis\nKshatriya death squads only exist in your schizo wet dreams"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nHijra. Surrender."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nCaging hard at the projection, continue bhangi"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThe squad will see all these posts by you, little hijra. The more you seethe now, the more horrible your tortures will be, hijra."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nKshatriyas dont exist, keep coping in your imagination fucking dalit larper"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>68\nIm so cool for having the last word"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nNah, I am cool because I am cool. You are lame because you are lame. You can have all the last words in the world and you won't be cool :)"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\n>Kshatriya death squad ->> Cucktriya brainlet squad\nKnow your position bhangi, bow to your overlord priests(Brahmins)"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nI accept your surrender"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nOP is not Indian, he is a 165 cm tall Russian twink named Ilya \"Mordvix\" Mironenko,"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>69\n>bhangichud\n? You are talking either to the russian basement dwelling incel, mordvix or that self-hating mixed tajik-british paki incel who larps as white with ai generated morphs based on east europeans and north caucasians."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\n>>89\nAhahaha, darktroon, you're so miserable. You poos are all literal chimpanzees by intelligence."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>42\nKeep in mind this is not real reconstruction just hypothetical, Actual ane Botai reconstruction looks like this"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>56\n>>56\nANEs were australoid-proto-mongoloid-MENA proto-caucasoid mutts. So, of course they were closer to south Europeans than to amerindians with much larger mongoloid admixture and very strong population specific genetic drift. Amerindians may actually have some third diverged aancestry too since they fit very poorly as a mix of mongs and ANE."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nThe actual darktroon."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>42\nDo you have standalone version of that amerindian. Where is that picture from?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>41\n>Anything that puts Amerindians at 42% puts Europeans at twice that.\n>>41\nYou are a retard, mordvix. Europeans aren't 84% ANE."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>61\nWhat is the skull width?"}, {"id": 97, "content": "Here's a BMAC statue for reference."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>87\n>says the person who surrendered"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nYou can have all the last words in the world and you won't be cool :)"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\nI honestly don't remember, some other anon posted it in another ANE thread"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nYes, You can have all the last words in the world and you won't be cool :)"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nSo why do you so desperately need to slurp the last word out of my dribbling cock you fucking faggot"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nYour dick is negative 3 inches long and is buried in your body. When you get erect it just barely peeks out of your ass. No one wants to be around something like that."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nDidnt read, stay mad"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>64\nno, Kumsay's skull is significantly larger and the guy's entire frame was like 6'8\".\nhe MOGGGs the iranijeet into the ground.\nalso I said for WHGs relative to body size, relative to body size WHGs are the most robust human group ever, even more than archaic monke men from africa like Irhoud and Skuhl."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>91\nNeither of those are ANE and Botai was not as ANE as Kumsay, Botai was like an eastern version of Yamnaya.\nAlso they literally had no EDAR.\nHere is the actual \"ane\" Botai"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>92\n>ANE were the ancestors of all humans out of africa\nI can live with this."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>94\n>>100\nI have used it as proof that ANE can de-mongolify mongloids if they dwell in an environment that selects for ANE genes instead of mong genes.\nlatrinos from SUDA!!!! post it to suggest Amerinds are ANE.\n\nEveryone who posts robust Northern Natives is actually a 5'1\" swarthoid goblino who looks like a warbler and a midget gook had their genes spliced.\n\nEasy way to tell, if it speaks Spanish, its not related to any natives who were warriors, respectable, tall, or robust, it was a slave caste bugman who's \"great\" civilization was a pile of rocks."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nWtf are you talking about schizo"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>105\nNot him but I don't trust claims like that. Cherchen man was said to be 6'6' or 6'8\" and he turned out to be 5'10\".\nWHG were around 66 kg at 5'4. About as robust Aurignacians who were taller and heavier."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>65\nCan you elaborate. Also i thought they had more steppe ancestry than the average South indians, similar to other castes in Kerala and Karnataka. Where is their paternal origin from?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nAs far as I know Thiya lack Steppe. Thiya can be claimed as direct descendants of IVC. They are literally Bronze Age IVC or Harappans without any Steppe and AASI component. But some other preprint also shows that Thiya can score upto 10% Steppe, which is higher than some South Indians but South Indians can score 10% Steppe too. Apart from Thiya few other communities of SI has also shown more than 75% IVC ancestry.\nAs for paternal origin Im unsure but theyre mostly post-IVC refugees who went South but were able to avoid AASI rich communities. But some historians believe that Thiya migrated from Sri Lanka"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nWhat about nayrs"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>91\n>>106\nBotai were proto-Turks, it's confirmed now from shared lineages from the Altai\n>>108\nEnough larping"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>34\n>90% of his reconstructions look weird as fuck\nIt's because he works on a base of real photographs, I'm guessing passport photos or some sort of official/business/administrative portrait, which are often taken with wide-angle lenses. He reproduces the same barrel distortion effect, where the centre of the face, especially the nose, is large. What you did in photoshop was overcompensate in the opposite direction, towards a pincushion distortion, which is probably what you're accustomed to (most professional and vanity portraits are taken on very long focal length lenses)."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>105\nThe BMAC sample is a lot stronger and larger skulled than the Kumsay one. WHG weren't robust either they were less robust than BMAC or steppe populations, as well as much shorter."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nBMAC people by and large didn't have robust features. That one guy is a massive outlier."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>108\n>>109\nI think I might've mind broken him when I started trying to fuck with them by suggesting Europeans (and especially blonde and blue eyed goblinito mongrels because I was more than sure that would set them off) be made into animal feed and replaced by the truu reel ayyrians n sheid, Amerindians."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nI'm glad it worked and now one of them goes into unprompted tangents about it."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\nNope. BMAC people were robust relative to contemporary populations. Just this one sample is a hyper robust anomaly straight out of Cro Magnon days that no one else has come close to in the last 10,000 years."}, {"id": 121, "content": "I thought facial reconstructions like these were a scam and pseudoscientific, didn't they try doing this skeletons of people they had photographs of and it looked nothing like them"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nTheir skull measurements were moderate. Bizygomatic were moderate as well. Not large sized."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>69\nplease redeem the poo saar"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\nExcluding the hyper robust skull, the typical BMAC skull measurements were larger than EEF, EHG, CWC, PPNB, and WHG. Yamnaya and Steppe Maykop were on par with them."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nAverage length was 187 mm, average width was 133 mm. Average bizygomatic was 127 mm. These are smaller than modern white values.\nNow, post EHG, EEF, CWC, WHG and PPNB values."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\nAnd which skull is that from? Which site?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nMales from Gonur Tepe."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\n>>124\nWhy are you arguing about this at all, fellow poos? It's irrelevant if proto-poos really were LE HECHKIN ROBUSTINO SAARS, they were genocided and enslaved by Aryans whatever skulls they had."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nCopium. It isn't."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>128\nBMAC aren't ancestral to Indians."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nThen Aryans (whatever skulls they had) completely removed them out of existence. So even less relevant."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nBMAC paternal lineages still survive in Central Asia even if they did get replaced autosomally."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nNope, lol. All poos were completely removed from there. Servant race."}, {"id": 134, "content": "Is this mordvix schizo a chink or a slav"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\nmix of both"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\n>>134\nSaami quapa basically"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>105\n>also I said for WHGs relative to body size, relative to body size WHGs are the most robust human group ever\nHardly, Some like Villabruna and Bichon looked mediterrranean. More robust ones like loschbour, cheddar man still weren't as robust as australo-melanesians and fuego-patagonians"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>57\n>What was his name again\nMordvix"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>128\nAryans got cucked by dravdians after the initial invasion."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>129\nhttps://www.academia.edu/4683460/Human_skeletal_remains_from_the_necropolis_of_Gonur_Depe"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\nAustralo-melanesians are skinny AF."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>137\nThe largest chest ever recorded in a human specimen was La Brana, he completely moggs any abo or iranian."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>124\nWHGs had bigger skulls than Yamnaya tho.\n>>120\nThey were weak, your ancestors were weak, they were completely bulled by 6'8 Neanderthal like Aryans.\nyou are not some niche undiscovered ancestral gem, your ancestors were slaves and weak ones at that.\ncope farhad"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>139\nDravidians have more steppe y than admixture.\nDravidians were always slave stock to be ruled by Conquering Aryans."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>141\nA lot of abbos seem to be lanklets despite big heads but Papuans are pretty muscular."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\n>The largest chest ever recorded in a human specimen\nProof? Any study about it?"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\n22 inches at 5' is monke tier.\nThere are no studies which record solely data on human chests, but you can look specifications for other remains, no one else comes close to La Brana.\nThe guy was a freak of nature.\n>>145\nWHG energy from papuans bvlling SEAmonke"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>145\n>despite big heads\nThey border on microcephaly. Also their external head size is smaller than European Australians.\n>Papuans are pretty muscular\nBuild differs from group to group but I have never seen data on papuans lean mass. PNG average height is below 5'4\"."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>147\nWhich source talks about La Brana's bone lengths? I can't see any at all."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>13\nThey look German."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>142\nLa Brana is a C1a2 Aurignacian not a 5' WHG I2 cuckold."}, {"id": 152, "content": "Hello I have no idea what any of these terms AASI BMAC or whatever mean but y'all sound like looksmax incels"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>114\n>>91\n>>51\nWhy posting ANE men on korean women rapebabies?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\nyou have decent taste now go back to aqua board"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nNO!"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\nmeet me there we need a new thread asap"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>150\n>They look German.\nMore like Finns, Finns have highest ANE and widest square faces with protruding cheekbones and square jaws in Europe"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>148\n>Also their external head size is smaller than European Australians.\nNo, some abbos have huge heads\nhttp://humanphenotypes.net/metrics/headsize.html"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>149\nHis measurements are described by the university where he is kept."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\n>>25\n>>42\nReminder that these “reconstructions” were created by a homosexual Russo-Georgian man who worships Dagestani men in a “masculinity” discord server"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>158\n>some\nKey word. Most abbo groups around today don't."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>160\nyou are a literal i2 romanian homosexual tho"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>161\nThere are barely any abbos still around"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\n>you are a literal i2 romanian homosexual tho\nWasn't I2 Romanian guy actually just Mordvix's alter ego?"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\ni2 romanian homosexual was here a year before mordvix two different posters entirely"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>162\n>>164\n>>165\nI am the alleged romanian and that was not me you were replying to."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>2\nSome of the things you mention are also present in non-Indoiranic indoeuropean cultures, or at the very least wasn't an influence from BMAC.\n>took common oaths\nLiterally all cultures do this, certainly all IEs.\n>ritualized drug usage (soma\nThe use of soma wasn't started by the BMAC, it was an aryan thing brought from their contact with China.\n>venerated animals, especially of bulls and bovines\nAll IEs did this."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>167\nNo, he's right.\n>Literally all cultures do this, certainly all IEs.\nThey didn't.\n>The use of soma wasn't started by the BMAC\nIt was a BMAC product that their descendants also used.\n>brought from their contact with China.\nYou're a retard.\n>All IEs did this.\nNo, they didn't. Bull veneration was confined to a few non-IE cultures like the BMAC."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\n>ancient european peoples didn't take oaths"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>168\nNot him but the oldest indication of bull veneration is Khiamian.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khiamian_culture"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>169\nSome like the Greeks did, others did not.\n\n>>170\nWho were almost certainly a non-IE people."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>171\n>In mine own land I faced what time brought forth, held well mine own, nor pursued with treachery cruel ends, nor swore me many an oath unrighteously.\n>Thereafter that feud I settled with payment, sending [to the Wylfings] over the backs of the sea ancient treasures; oaths he swore to me.\n>Thus on both sides they confirmed a binding treaty of peace. To Hengest Finn in full and without reserve declared with solemn oaths that he would with the advice of his counsellors honourably entreat the sad remnant (of the fight); and that there should no man ever recall it to mind, not though they served the slayer of him who before had given them rings, being now without a lord; for such was their necessity.\n>Then will on either hand the sworn oaths of men be broken; thereafter will cruel thoughts of hate surge up in Ingeld’s heart, and for this tide of woe cooler will wax his love of wife.\nThose are from Beowulf."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\nThose are not oaths. You must learn the definition of oath first."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>173\n>oaths were not oaths\n>because they just weren't... OKAY?"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">This is Lemminkainen's answer:\n>I will swear an oath of honor,\n>That I'll never go to battle,\n>When for gold I feel a longing,\n>When I wish for gold and silver.\n>Swear thou also on thine honor,\n>Thou wilt go not to the village,\n>When desire for dance impels thee,\n>Wilt not visit village-dances.\"\nThat's from Kalevala."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>171\nThe thing is bull-veneration doesn't really tie into IE religion. Cows were seen as a resource mostly. There is like one mention of a mythic cow: Auðumbla in Norse religion for example. So its a resource thing."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\nThey're not oaths because oaths are religious in nature."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>162\nI am an N1c Tatar-Polish-Lithuanian bvll actually"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>2\nAASI are elamites."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>70\nYou are unironically cringe. And you are below Dalit unironically. I'm sorry for you. But you are a Jew worshipper and cannot be considered Aryan."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\n>>179\n>t. a poo"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>178\nliar"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>163\nAnd of those only a small percent of groups aren't small headed."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>159\nLink?"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>159\nStill no evidence. I will assume you are lying until shown otherwise."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>140\nThe average here includes literal children."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"God, why did you let my little brother get cancer? Or better yet, why don't you come down from your cloud and cure him? You always did miracles and stuff in the Bible and oh wait, you don't really exist, do you? I should have known religion was a lie my mom used to keep me an obedient slave who never questions anything. cya.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeautiful Christian photo\n>Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."}, {"id": 3, "content": "god isn't a little fairy minion that comes down and does stuff for you.\ngrow up"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>posting pics of 3D lolis on 4chan\nnice pedo dogwhistle OP"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWould you accept this excuse from a doctor who refused to treat your child's cancer when they could easily do so?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Funniest thing is that christians used to fully believe in miracles and quasi-healing magic and now no first world christian believes in that stuff. Only lower class uneducated people and third worlders think petitionary prayer does anything. Just crazy to see how people can invert their beliefs to make them compatible with modern society and think they’re still consistent with a thousands year long tradition. One thing that is kinda interesting though is that in Europe a lot of the movement against church magic actually preceeded the scientific revolution so to be fair you can’t simply blame science for changing educated christian opinion"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nJust following what the priest says bucko, keep seething"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>doctor who refused to treat your child's cancer when they could easily do so?\ni think they take like an oath that completely conflicts with any refusal of this kind\nalso you're using the word easily very lightly"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Only lower class uneducated people and third worlders think petitionary prayer does anything.\nexcuse me?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYeah, sounds harsh but that’s pretty much how it is. Expecting prayers to actually be answered is seen as a sign of religious backwardness now. There was actually an international Puritan academic project at one point to attempt to record everything that happened to prove that God was Just (it failed) when you aggregated all the good and bad done because there were countless examples of sinners profiting and righteous people suffering that weighed heavily on Christian minds. Even in this thread people are attacking the little girl praying for help as a sign of idiocy because things like that have been rationalized into “if you ask God for help you lack faith that he is just and/or you aren’t doing enough self-help before asking”"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>i think they take like an oath that completely conflicts with any refusal of this kind\nI don't see how that's relevant. If I'm walking down the street and I see a dying child I can easily help, am I not obligated to do anything because I haven't taken an oath to help dying children?\n>also you're using the word easily very lightly\nIt's a hypothetical."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nthat's exactly right\nyou're not obligated to do a single thing"}, {"id": 13, "content": "whether prayer works or doesn't work is unprovable, never mind the copypasted /r/atheism wall of text above"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>>/x/ please"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhat he fails to grasp is that prayer is not something you have complete control over. It's a monkey's paw and sometimes can backfire on you so be careful with using it. You may pray for something and get negative or undesired consequences depending on what energy you tap into."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nThat's blatantly unbiblical and evil but ok."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Your brother blasphemed against me so I punished him. Since you didn't learn from his mistakes I will punish you with bone cancer just like him, the pain that you will soon experience is nothing compared to hell so you should enjoy the few years you have left. Bye.\""}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nHe's a troon & she's a troon."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nwell the bible claims someone split the fucking ocean in 2 or something and that it rained frogs so it's not very credible to put it as an understatement"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\nPeople pray all the time faggot, just because it isn't explicitly getting on your knees and submitting a formal request doesn't mean it isn't prayer. How many times in your life have you said \"Please God let this happen\" or something along those lines? Or thanked God after something good happened? That is prayer and you don't even realize it, it is so ubiquitous in western society that we forget we even do it all day all the time."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>People pray all the time faggot, just because it isn't explicitly getting on your knees and submitting a formal request doesn't mean it isn't prayer.\nthat's the wrong way to pray anyway, that's how a child prays"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nI think just yesterday I responded to the same type of bait with mention of Saint André of Montréal, who healed through prayer thousands of people before his death in 1942, and if you think this is some kind of hoax, you just have to go to Saint-Joseph Oratory to consult the register.\nIf there's time that Catholic bureaucracy really gets useful, it's when it concerns the lives of the Saints and miracles"}, {"id": 23, "content": "and y'all are troons"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n4chan is cancer but no worries, GOD will exterminate it soon."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nwhy is it wrong?\nwho prescribes the etiquette for requesting divine intervention"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>requesting divine intervention\nDumb hick."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>13\n>whether prayer works or doesn't work is unprovable\nYou can prove that if it helps, it only helps in a statistically insignificant number of cases."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">appeal to emotion, appeal to ridicule\nNow you just need appeal to authority and you'll all 3 of atheists' favorite arguments"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\ngood argument\ni stand corrected"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>6\nThe only thing Christians should be praying for is mercy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nUnless it hells through providence..."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwho are you quoting"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">a lie my mom used to keep me an obedient slave\nIs atheism simply built out of an unhealthy relationship with one's parents?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nthis is great irony if true"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nno i'm a fedora and my family is religious. i have a very good relationship with my parents and I lie that i believe in god to not hurt their feelings, especially my mum's"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is not your slave. That’s why he doesn’t immediately cure condition X that happened to an innocent person. Life is hard, we will suffer, this is how we repent.\nI’m underwhelmed by juvenile attempts to re-state the problem of evil/the problem of pain.\nHumans are born with the effects of original sin (we will die) all of creation suffers under original sin. Humans are NOT born with the guilt of original sin, rather, only the effects of original sin.\nSin is not only something you do it’s also something that is done to you by others. Christians are called to feel the pain of the sins done to them and still forgive those who have caused them this pain. This is how one is united to Christ.\nThis world is not the world that God intended to create. We are not the people God intended us to be. God will heal all of creation including us if we let him.\nGod became a human so humans could become like God.\nYes, innocent people suffer greatly in this world. When these innocents suffer and still praise God the powers of darkness are defeated."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npredestination is unga bunga tier theology and only Africans and inbread goatshaggers truly believe in it\nwe are in a fallen world and we have free will, everything we do cause more and more deaths. Acientists confirm cause of cancer is entirely physical."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>m-my brother died in lion hunt! This means gods r angry at us!\n>dont hurt me god of my ancestors whose name is Ugulubunga Rattata Billibong! I wills avrifice many goats so you dont kill me\nsee what i mean? You have to be literal unga bunga to believe in this double predestination crap. I doubt even Calvin believed in it because he had many proofs for free will in his daily life."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nHe is throughout the entire Bible. What the fuck are you talking about?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\nWhy?\nIt’s what I learned in an Orthodox church"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>8\n>they take like an oath that completely conflicts with any refusal of this kind\nAnd how do omnipotence and omnibenevolence not conflict with any refusal of this kind exactly?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nOne time I begged god to take cancer from my dad. I thought if I made a covenant with god like in the Bible then he would be saved. I even offered to let it be me in place of him. The next day he died. Why would god do that to a child?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nWhat did God do? I've only heard what you did, which was to presume authority over God, as if you could dictate the terms of covenant, as if God was beholden to you. The true believer does not react to tragedy by demanding God stop it, but by asking God to stop them from reacting in any way which would denigrate His glory."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nTrue believer asks for mercy for his father"}, {"id": 45, "content": "I realized when I was a kid that if God does exist, he isn't some being that actually interacts with or cares about us. He's just a glorified engineer."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\n>I thought if I made a covenant with god like in the Bible then he would be saved\nare you a prophet?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nHe is beholden to me because I was an obedient follower and it would be nice to have a miracle. Is it too much to ask from an omnipotent and benevolent being?\n>demanding god to stop it\nIt was a child’s plea for help\n>denigrate his glory\nKind of like denigrating my fucking life by making me fatherless. Go fuck yourself christcuck. Anytime someone has something to say about god you have insert your holy opinion about why it’s everyone’s fault except the Bible fairy. Even if you are right, it would have been nice if god gave me that information after pleading for hours. I hope god incinerates your dry cunt"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>He is beholden to me because I was an obedient follower\nNot obedient enough to stop coveting His throne\n>Anytime someone has something to say\nWho cares what you have to say?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>actually interacts with"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>Not obedient enough\n>Who cares what you have to say\nLadies and gentlemen I present to you christianity"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>3\n>god isn't a little fairy minion that comes down and does stuff for you\nTrue, because God doesn't exist. Grow up."}, {"id": 52, "content": "funny how fucked up christians get over this\nthey can only ever concede that you suffer and tell you to shut the fuck up"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">Yeah well if little Timmy didn't want leukemia maybe Adam shouldn't have taken a bite out of that apple 6,000 years ago, sucks to suck I guess"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>unknown\nLOLIPOSTEDAMANINAFUNNYHAT XD"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nSuffering builds character."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nI'm sure the grieving parents of kids that died from cancer would prefer to have their kid still around rather than the character growth"}, {"id": 57, "content": "If your egregore cannot display his power in ways that benefit me or my close ones then I won't give it any power."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>unknown\nHahahaha. Cannot happen to me unless I believe your egregore can do it to me (I don't)"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs all the fault of the democrats and the demon they installed in power. Burn those demons alive, do harm onto them to avenge your brother."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>39\nYou are an ignorant moron and a prostitute of demons."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>unknown\nThose demons need to be fried alive."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\nTrash like you are not even humans. You have no soul, no divine spirit, and no wisdom in your brain at all."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">Trash like you are not even humans. You have no soul, no divine spirit, and no wisdom in your brain at all."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\nYou're in for a rude awakening lad"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nYou believe in that, so it affects you only.\nHowever, I do not feed your egregore any belief. It cannot impact me at all. Funny how that works, huh?\nMaybe you can make a tulpa of me for your fake god to punish in his crowdfunded afterlife."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\nNot an argument."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He was completely and totally right about everything"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsoo right that he got anal raped by his own people"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's very sad what happened to Libya."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGlowies needed another destabilised region to justify their budget lol"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe sacking of Libya was more about the american federal reserve trying to defend the fictional value of its worthless paper money\nVery similar as to why Kennedy was murdered"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe paid the price for not wanting a Rothschild central bank, among other things."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIf that was the case why was it the French government was frothing at the mouth to invade and urging the US to stop dicking around? I understand it would have disrupted the system overall but it seems like in the grander scheme of things it would have somehow disrupted French monetary policy or resources more. I also noticed that the French are big in oil all over Africa."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nAre Norks still off it?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRealistically, there was no way he could have won once the USSR was gone. Assad happened to be close enough to Russia for Putin to help, but Gaddafi was surrounded by nothing but enemies and neutrals. Sad to see."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nFrance has had its sights on Libya ever since their fiasco in Algeria and saw Gaddafi as a scapegoat that they could blame, as an authoritarian despot, to establish a new North African puppet state"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYup turns out letting your people have power and free speech shows how much everyone really hated him."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow could one man be so based?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Gaddafi's mistake was not grooming a successor back when he was still in his prime, instead he just kinda stuck around until he got deposed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You will never be a real religion. You have no rituals, you have no mystics, you have no sacred art. You are a catholic spin-off twisted by schism and heresy into a crude mockery of Christ's true Church.\nAll the “salvation” you give is insufficient and half-assed. Behind your back Satan mocks you. Your ancestors are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “faithful” laugh at your loud sermons behind closed doors.\nHoliness is utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of Tradition have allowed saints to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even prot churches who “pass” are uncanny and unnatural to a saint. Your bare architecture is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get an intelligent well-meaning person to join you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your heretical, ahistorical innovations.\nYou will never be one. You split into 10 new denominations every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the liberalism creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.\nEventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll forsake the gospel, marry gays, promote abortions, and plunge your followers into the fires of hell. Catholics will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll pray for you and get indulgences to take you out of purgatory, and every Christian for the rest of eternity will remember you as schismatics. Your memory will fade and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a frenzy of doctrinal confusion that is unmistakably heretical.\nThis is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. The day I toured the Vatican was one of the greatest days of my life. Much respect to Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ and remember to pray for Protestants as well, dazzled by destroying heresies as they are."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnfathomably based"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>>/x/ please"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n/x/-poster, I don’t disagree with your crusade, but if you want me to respect you you should know that only Protestantism belongs on /x/, real religion belongs on /his/"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThat's cool but can you religion arguers please take it to /x/ where it belongs thank you I hope you have a good day."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">deep inside you feel the liberalism creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.\n>Eventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll forsake the gospel, marry gays, promote abortions, and plunge your followers into the fires of hell.\nThe irony of a Catholic writing this is astounding."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nbut that's not where the topic of Catholicism belongs"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSorry I think you misunderstood. /x/ is the paranormal board, for discussion of supernatural and paranormal topics like mysticism and religion. Thank you"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nA cheap critique. Catholicism will never fall, and it will never break. Even so, vigilance is required."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\na 2000 year old real institution that has shaped History dramatically is a paranormal topic? whew..."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nReligion is generally considered one of the humanities. The humanities are academic disciplines that study human culture, including language, literature, philosophy, history, and the arts. Religion is a significant aspect of human culture, and it has been studied by scholars in various fields within the humanities."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nIt already has bro. The college of cardinals is filled with liberals like Francis.You will never have a based trad pope again."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Marry Gays, promote abortions\n\nBut enough about the based Francis"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wept.\nBased."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nWe’ll see. Worst case scenario, we return to the East"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nWhat you're saying is totally valid. /his/ shares many overlaps with other boards such as /lit/, /pol/ and /x/. Discussion about historical institutions, figures, effects and context of religions are relevant, but from my interpretation of OP (so sorry if I'm misreading you here!) the topic of this thread appears to be the discussion of the legitimacy or lack thereof in a specific theological dogma in the paranormal context of his faith, which belongs on the paranormal board, /x/.\nThis does not appear to be a thread of the histories and humanities of our own world, but appears to be an argument about the supernatural validity of a certain religious group."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\n>>15\n>>16\nLiberal boomers are dying and new priests and bishops are way more conservative. Francis literally did nothing to advance actual liberalism in the church. Cope. Seethe. Dilate."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You have no mystics\nRead Johann Arndt"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>dont worry the tradcat zoomers will save us"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nUnironically the non-larpers will"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are taunting an empty room\nThe protestants are already no more, ravaged by the cancer of literalism they allowed to fester for too long, hiding in shame and fear of speaking openly about the glory of God, too scared of getting called bad names, allowing evil to dictate and distort their faith\n\nPress P to pray for the prots"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will never be a real monotheist. You have no coherent doctrine, you have no sound theology, you have no fear of Heaven. You are a tritheist twisted by neoplatonism and oecumenical councils into a crude mockery of Messianic Judaism.\nAll the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back clergymen mock your gullibility. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your pagan “friends” laugh at your pagan-inspired trinity behind closed doors.\nThe faithful are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of abrahamic orthodoxy have allowed traditional believers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even christians who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a God-fearer. Your belief structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to church with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected saints (picrel).\nYou will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the dark night of the soul creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.\nEventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a jewish man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a damned soul that is unmistakably polytheist.\nThis is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nNice fanfic, bro. But what are you gonna do when God shows you this post on Judgement Day?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWithout ten gorrilian third worlders and apathetic europeans going out of bland tradition, the Catholic Church would be as small as the Episcopalians.\nFace the facts, your entire church existed as a government coopting of an underground movement that's been kept around by heaps of unbiblical doctrines to justify your existence and keep people out of the gates of heaven. Everything Jesus lambasted the Pharasees of his day for, your priests do and much more.\nFind Christ, the real Christ, not a cracker held aloft by a eunuch. Even a snake handler tries to justify his lunacy with the bible, when countered with Biblical evidence, you recoil, claim your church compiled the bible and that we're going to hell for not sucking up to a forgin dictator and his gagle of homosexuals and rapists.\nI do not know if Martin Luther is in heaven, but I do know Benedict is in hell, and Francis will soon follow him."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>unironically believes God endorses his tritheism\nLmao."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>without people your church would be small\nAmazing argument"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Autism.\n\nWhy are tradcaths so embarrassing? You don't have to be the religious equivalent of a fedora tipper you know"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nyes it is, because at the end of the day your church could care less about Luther's doctrine (they even admitted he was right in the Joint Declaration), they only shit their pants when Lutheran churches started being established, and the money was being kept inside of the Protestant kingdoms instead of going to Rome."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>7\nI love you NDE-sama"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nCope\n>>31\nKEK you just believe any anti-catholic rhetoric that comes you way, don't you?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>You have no rituals, you have no mystics, you have no sacred art.\nYou're right there, at least.\n\nWe have God instead."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>separates God from religion\nThis is why protestardation leads to atheism"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah I’m thinkin’ based. Everyone must come home to Rome. The “reformation” and its consequences have been a disaster for the yooman race"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>19\nChrist’s supernatural resurrection is a historical fact though, which places this squarely in the realm of /his/. Thank you for your concern, however."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nThere is no use for all the trappings of religion. These were all created useless self-styled \"priests\" and scholars who stayed indoors all the time and wanted people to focus on buildings and holy sites. The Son of God has nowhere to lay his head. Don't get too distracted by all of it. They're not the goal. Just a means. And anywhere can be the means of finding God.\n>But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.-John 4:23-24\n\n>Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”-Luke 17:20-21\n\n>Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”-Matthew 24:1-3"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\n>you just believe any anti-catholic rhetoric that comes you way, don't you?\n0 self-awareness, none whatsoever"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nEvery human culture developed religion and ritual, it's ingrained in us. We are instinctively drawn towards spiritual expression and the search for deeper meaning. Protestants go against all of it and create something empty, void of substance. By rejecting religious traditions and rites, they have failed to recognize the fundamental importance of these customs in fostering a true connection with the divine. If you took time to study other religions and see what is common in all of them, including Christianity, you'd see that these things are not merely accidental, but rather an intrinsic and necessary component of true religion.\n>>39\n>Posts bullshit propaganda he heard from other prots\nI think it's you who has zero self-awareness, buddy"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCareful there, c*tholics."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>falling apart because they have no visible authority and any time one church tries to take action and solve issues they're accused of papism\nyikes"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nthis is that feature/conclusion of protestantism that is unacceptable. Completely inorganic and abstract. Dead\n\nalso\n>pic is a frame from a literal blasphemous film"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI kneel."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>25\nHow to kill a Cathocuck with one easy sentence:\n\"Please explain the logic of the trinity doctrine and how it can reasonably be applied to monotheism\""}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nOne essence, three persons"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>believes only catholics hold the trinitarian understanding of God"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>unknown\nsatantroonsisters.. we've lost our edge"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nNow watch all the zoomie nominal tradcaths try to explain it by using theology that's heretical according to their own church leaders, how many replies before one of these cockmunchers dips into modalism? I'm guessing around 4"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nso is your beef with Catholics who are clumsy regarding theology, with the doctrine of the Holy Trinity or with Catholicism?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>42\nPope said trannies are based lol."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>unknown\nSometimes I wonder if describing the godhead as the \"will\" of God would be a reasonable interpretation of the nature of God\nGod the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, all share the same will of divine goodness\n\nAn other interpretation is just going for the basic \"God is love itself\", so the singularity of God is the love keeping together the three persons of God\nLike the members of a family being bound together by their familial love"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>real religion when you worship pagan idols and pay money to get to heaven"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>41\n>orthodoxy\northodoxy is just thinly veiled paganism that doesn't give the slightest shit about OT and 90% of NT\nt. Greek"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>47\n>God is a person"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nOrthodox worship is Old Testament worship"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nPope said trannies are based."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nikr, that's why we worship 100000 saints, Mary, obcure church fathers, Saturnalia, sacrifice animals, worship idols, break almost every OT commandment and Law, but YHWH and the early prophet kings are MIA"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nAlso every place has their own patron saint that is treated as a deity of his own\nthe ABSOLUTE state"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>Saturnalia, sacrifice animals, worship idols\n?\n\n>>60\nYou're a lunatic brother, lol, nothing you said is true"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>56\n\"person\" and \"essence\" or \"substance\" in the formulation of the trinity as:\nGod is three persons in one essence\nare all translations of \"hypostasis\" and \"ousia\"\nThe original formulation of the trinity is:\nGod is three hypostases in one ousia\n\n\"hypostatis\" = \"person\" = particular = existence\n\"ousia\" = \"essence\"/\"substance\" = general = source\n\nIt could be also translated as:\nGod is three existences in one source\n\nChristians worship the only God, who is the only source of everything"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>Christmas\n>Pesah\n>icons, statues etc\nnigger have you ever step foot in an orthodox country?\n\n>>62\nNot him but υπόσταση does not mean person (άτομο/άνθρωπος) and ουσία does not mean general (γενικός) or source (πηγή)"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nHe's not lunatic, he is, may God forgive me for speaking this cursed name, he is a jew."}, {"id": 65, "content": "L A R P E R\nA\nR\nP\nE\nR"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>ουσία does not mean general (γενικός)\nDon't ask me, ask that to Basil of Caesarea"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nmy concept of Christianity comes from fallible human saints\nSums up the absolute state of modern orthodoxy pretty well. No wonder there are no real orthodox christians left, the church went to shit and drove the people away from the religion"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nmeant to greentext kek\n>my concept of Christianity comes from fallible human saints\n\n>>64\nJesus was indeed a pacifist though and the heads of every christian branch are clear on this. In fact you can ask any orthodox, catholic, protestant priest (church authority) about it."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\n>God is three existences\nthat doesn't sound right"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nA car is not just 4 wheels either\nYou have to do the effort of reading a sentence in its entirety"}, {"id": 71, "content": "God is a gundam driven by three divine pilots"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nbased"}, {"id": 73, "content": "Not religious or white but if there were a religious war where everyone has to pick a religion and kill each other I would pick one of the Christian denominations"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>61\nNo he’s right on animal sacrifice. The orthodox sacrifice animals to saints. It’s called kourbania"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nbruh... how do they argue that this is not giving latria to saints?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nIt's probably the remains of some pagan practice, seems like folk religion rather than official teaching, but I don't really know"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">\"don't do that\"\n>why?\n>\"would you want it done to you?\"\nWhy do people act like this or the golden rule makes sense?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Oh wow the most deranged socially retarded and autistic website is ass-blasted by the golden rule"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat if everyone else is too weak to return what I do to them?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy doesn’t this make sense?\nIt’s the most sound moral rule in existance"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree that the golden rule is an ideal, and as such, can only perfectly apply in an ideal society, where such consequences are guaranteed. However, it is good practice for your own community."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt makes sense with people you like, you are supposed to hurt your enemies and it doesnt matter if they would do that to you"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be me\n>want my dick sucked\n>refuse to suck dicks\nDoes this mean I dont deserve sloppy top?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nThat rule is not used to invoke fear of consequences, it is a tool to heighten empathy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nThere's lots of situations where your behavior will not change the likelihood of it happening to you.\nIf I pick pocket some old lady she isn't going to come pick pocket me back. It seems to rely on some form of karma existing."}, {"id": 10, "content": "I like the golden rule but it isn't always applicable\nLiving in such a way that if everyone were to do what I do is not an ideal to strive for.\nSounds corny but humans are all extremely different and are also held by different rules from person to person, even in a Christian context."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>\"Don't kill those people!\"\n>\"Why?\"\n>\"Would you want it done to you?\"\n>\"Yes, I'm suicidal.\"\nHow do you respond?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nleave it to the autist to be autistic jeez"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNot an argument."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nit is because autists are a tiny proportion of the human population and we shouldnt pander to their idiocy\n>inb4 trannies"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnything that makes social outcasts and failsons like you mad makes sense."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nwow, suicidal person are the standard of people living in a society? you got source on that, edgelord?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nCan your reasonably will that such behaviour become a universal maxim?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nYou realize explicitly Kant rejected the golden rule, right? This is not a defense of it."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe so-called golden rule is just a retarded and cucked version of an eye of an eye. The actual rule is \"don't do it or we (the community) will do the same to you\", it appeals to self interest and fear of punishment rather than empathy."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\n>but I did have breakfast: the post"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\nIt’s not about you decreasing the chances of it happening to you, it’s an exercise in empathy..\nI almost got annoyed and insulted you but you clearly have some sort of legitimate social/emotional disability."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nBut the old lady isnt gonna pick pocket me back? Why shouldnt I do it"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI'm not sure that is point of it but even so empathy just means you can tell how someone else is or would feel in scenario?\nHow can empathy provide an ought, I know person X will be hurt or upset by me doing something but it doesn't provide reason not to do it."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">Don't do that.\n>Why?\n>Because my god said not to."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nyoure black"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\n>You like doing women in the ass, but don't like being done in the ass yourself? What a hypocrite!"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nIf you weren't suicidal, would you still want it done to you?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nSodomy is nasty regardless of who is doing it"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>11\nIf they were truly suicidal they’d kill themselves first. In this case they’re clearly using it as an excuse to excuse anti-social behavior,"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>7\nRetard logic"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>18\nKant rejected everything. That’s why he wasn’t called Kould."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\nEmpathy is your ability to understand and share in those feelings. It’s why normal people who aren’t jaded and emotionally crippled by unsupervised internet access at a young age are horrified by things like cartel or ISIS execution videos."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\nEmpathy with another person - really considering what it could be like to have their problems and struggles - Should trigger emotions that make you sad when considering someone else’s suffering and push you to want to help them.\nThe golden rule is asking you to consider that other people to have exactly the same emotional depth of feelings and pain and suffering that you have, and that should spur you to want to relieve that pain in them just as you would want others to help relieve pain you are feeling.\nEmpathy means if you hurt someone else you in some way feel their hurt as if it were your own, so you try to help them instead."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Personally, I got nothing against me myself being a hypocrite\nIt's my preference for others not to steal, etc\nDoesn't mean I have a problem with doing so myself"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen you live in an actual society instead of a third world shithole you just do this automatically"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>23\n>m not sure that is point of it but even so empathy just means you can tell how someone else is or would feel in scenario?\nHow can empathy provide an ought\nAnon just accept you’re autistic and stop wasting peoples time. You will never get this."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>Empathy with another person - really considering what it could be like to have their problems and struggles - Should trigger emotions that make you sad when considering someone else’s suffering and push you to want to help them\nthat's just a figure of speech or metaphor you don't actually literally feel pain if you watch someone trip and fall or feel sad if you see someone crying\n>>36\nnot everyone who disagrees with you autistic man"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>2\nthe golden rule is for in-group (people who are ethnically and ideologically similar to you) behavior, social darwinism is for out-group behavior."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nthen you're an evil motherfucker torturing a child or something\n\nwhat's the point of this thread, why not just say \"why should I care about morality\""}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe golden rule is flawed, usually the way you'd like to be treated is the way others would like to be treated, but this is not always the case. If someone like getting fucked in the ass, this doesn't necessarily mean others will.\n\nThat said, it seems like you just want an excuse to hurt and bully people, you sound like a piece of shit."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nracist"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\nIt doesn't work on perverts.\n>why yes I would like a stranger to walk up and touch my genitals."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>4\n>no, don't win, would you like it if others defeated you?\nThe golden rule is retarded."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>11\n>assesinated = suicide\nking of troglodytes"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they've been morally conditioned\nLOVE IS LOVE\nKINDNESS IS EVERYTHING"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour right anon clearly me pouring hot oil on you sleeping is perfectly fine"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nkek, OP BTFO'd"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>11\nI would whip out muh gun and tell him to kneel"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>43\n>No don’t win\nWhat are you “winning” at that would require you to commit evil acts upon innocents who did no wrong?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>41\nyes."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>that would require you to commit evil acts upon innocents\nYou dumb retard, the logic of the golden rule applies to even a fucking game.\n>Why are you trying to win the football match you're playing in? You wouldn't like it if your opponent won, would you?\nIt's retarded because it breaks down whenever there's a conflict of interests regardless of how reasonable said interests are."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis probably could just be explained with Argumentation Ethics. In an argument, there is already an implied understanding that both people are self owners and are consensually discussing/arguing something. Once the concept of \"consent\" is thrown out, it stops being an argument and the other person becomes an enemy/obstacle to avoid/fight.\nIn other words, I can't \"argue with you\" it would be right for me to steal from you, simply because my \"argument\" denies your selfownership."}, {"id": 53, "content": "The Categorical Imperative is just a less retarded version of the Golden Rule, which is just a oversimplified version of Utilitarianism.\n\nAlso, ethics aren't really history"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\n>It's retarded because it breaks down whenever there's a conflict of interests regardless of how reasonable said interests are.\nNo it doesn’t. Morality doesn’t suddenly become mailable and allow for excessive cruelty, robbery, rape, maliciousness, and other impermissible actions just because someone’s an opponent they’ve defeated. If anything, It’s reinforced in fact by that both the loser and the winner of a conflict would want to be treated with dignity in defeat and not want their families raped, killed, or sold into slavery just because they lost.\n\nThis idea enrages Satanic political ideologues and anti-social psychopaths because they don’t understand the concept of Justice, fairness (which is different from equality), mercy, or righteousness. They see other humans as cattle to be dominated and thus refuse understand the benefits of not treating another person with contempt. The jokes on them though, because God sees all and their name will be scorned in the Book of Life."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>37\nYes, you are, I know your 'sperg kind. Going \"hmm\" as a reaction for everything, or having to force fake emotions for the suffering of other people is definitely not neurotypical. Neurotypical people, for your reference, are unconsciously and directly moved by injustices and pain happening to strangers, to the point where it can become impossible to mask your emotions. I bet you never shed a tear for anyone but yourself in your entire life, so I will not take any ethical judgement from you."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nBased. Why don't some people get this? There can't be any reasonable argument, which denies the natural rights of any party considered"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>3\ni think you're just coping with being a miserable fuck and i do not think you're strong in any sense"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>3\nPretty much"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>6\n/thread\n\nLoving your enemy is a psy-op"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>53\n>Also, ethics aren't really history\n& Humanities"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do people act like this\nBecause if you do X you SHOULD assume that X can be done to you by someone else."}, {"id": 62, "content": "there is always a bigger fish"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>9\n?\nThe golden rule isn't about bad things happening to you in a karmic sense, it's about he principle of if you don't want something happening to you, then you shouldn't do it to others.\n>>11\nYou're thinking about suicide wrong.\nThe question is not \"would you like to commit suicide\" it's \"would you like it if a person close to you committed suicide?\"\n\nThe answer to the later, is, obviously, no. So suicide is immoral"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>it's about he principle of if you don't want something happening to you, then you shouldn't do it to others.\nrestating it doesn't make it make any more sense"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nWhat are you, a retard?\nHow does that not make sense?\nDo you not understand the core fucking idea of hypothetical ethics?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n1. if you don't want something happening to you\n2. then you shouldn't do it to others.\nthere is a missing step there"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the golden rule makes sense?\nWhat is so hard to understand about this? Do you have some kind of impairment?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nThe idea is that you do shit to others then people will do shit to you."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>The idea is that you do shit to others then people will do shit to you.\nRead the quote chain... anon literally said it's not about that >>64\n>The golden rule isn't about bad things happening to you in a karmic sense"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's at least better than:\n>\"don't do that\"\n>why?\n>\"because it's iLLeGaL\""}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nHes not honest about it. Its about antisocials harming the collective so they get lynched in a society that doesnt law and order protecting these individuals."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>43\n>would you like it if others defeated you?\nIf I didn't I wouldn't play the game. By treating the other players like I would like to be treated we can establish rules so the game is better for everyone."}, {"id": 74, "content": "You’re all retarded and I feel ashamed that you and I are part of the same species. The reason the golden rule exists is quite simple. Once we understand that our actions may harm others, we will understand that they will take some sort of action to prevent or punish our harming them. So the full logic goes like this this: if I do x to that person, he will probably be harmed, because I (or most people) would also be harmed if x were done to me, and if I were harmed, I would try to have revenge in some way or another, and in this case I would be the one getting punished. I don’t want to be punished, so I should think twice before doing x.\n\nNotice how we barely apply such reasoning to victims who have no way of fighting back, such as animals. We KNOW they are being harmed, and the golden rule says we shouldn’t kill and eat them because we don’t want to be killed and eaten, but no one gives a fuck because animals can’t punish us in any way."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nThis reduces a very wide principle to one practical example. Plenty of people have no way of fighting back except through their advocates, just like animals. If I was a cow I would like to live on a nice farm, not in a factory, so if I could I would choose a life on a farm for all cows. Not being farmed isn't an option, it's what cows have been bred for and adapted to."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>Plenty of people have no way of fighting back except through their advocates, just like animals\nYes, and so far, vegans are an extreme minority who have virtually non-existent power to punish meat-eaters. All they can do is try to make overly-empathetic people feel guilty"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nThe \"punishment\" for violating the rule can be more subtle or in other words you can get more out of it than just avoiding violence. It can simply be less access to potential.\nI can apply it productively even if I'm completely bloodthirsty and want violence. If that's the game I want to play I can play it better with reciprocating players. If I don't the other players will find ways to subvert my favoured game of violence to make their preferred games relevant like court intrigue or some shit. Any goal can be better served by better tools and the golden rule is such a tool."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nI won’t waste time trying to decipher this garbage. Speak clearly"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>3\nthen they band together and do it to you anyways. Coalition of males conspiring and fucking up psychopathic bullies is a universal human trait.\n>but what if I control the biggest group and rule by fear\nThen you get to live in your own special self-created sector of hell. Enjoy being a tyrant in hades, where you cant trust anybody and everyone you call friend or even brother is out to kill and replace you behind their warm smiles. Where nobody will tell you the truth anymore."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n>t. illiterate idiot\nHow am I supposed to know what you need clarified?\nIf we exterminate gorillas there's less potential we have access to.\nHumanity may be wiped out by a disease that could have been prevented if gorillas still existed.\nIt's not likely, it's just an example of lost potential and focusing so much on the game of domination that you get outplayed by elements outside that game."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>11\n>suicidal = mental illness\nonly allowed if you army is loosing the battle and being a POW will bring shame upon yourself."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>2\nfpbp, trannies and chuds are seething"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>11\nthen go commit suicide\nno? you wont? why?\nthen, dont kill anyone. You are not suicidal enough.\nhttps://ifunny.co/video/nihilists-the-moment-you-point-a-gun-to-their-head-99DQ9RkE9"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hislet here, why did North Vietnam succeed in unifying the country but North Korea didn't?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US war effort in Vietnam completely fell apart for a wide variety of reasons we needn't repeat or go into because it's tedious and boring to do so. Those factors didn't exist in the Korean War."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorth Vietnam had better leadership, better tactics, and better funding than North Korea did."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBut I'd like to know more. What was it the incompetence of South Vietnam compared to South Korea? Lack of direct military operations in the north? Geography favored communist operations (Laos, Cambodia as neighboring neutral states) via Ho Chi Minh trail?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt was the geography. The North Vietnamese could constantly stream in men and supplies through Laos and Cambodia. Korea is surrounded by ocean to the east and west and confined to a front line that the US Navy could lock down. There was no way to control what went on to the west of Vietnam."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVietnam decisively defeated the USA, while Korea merely stalemated with them"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>major north vietnamese air bases\nWhat air power did North Vietnam even have? I always presumed the US just carbet bombed their runways and planes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKorea was an almost entirely conventional war where both sides fought with division sized units. Vietnam was an asymmetrical insurgency up until 1968 by which point the US public and government lost the will to fight."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nDevil's advocate here: I call bogus on the supply argument. The KPA were constantly fed troops and equipment from the Chinese and heavy machinery from the Soviets, and Stalin was more than willing to continue this supply until he died"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSo were the North Vietnamese. The problem was that there was no way to smuggle all those supplies into the south. If Vietnam was an isolated peninsula jutting out from the Asian mainland like Korea, south vietnam could have been saved. But it shares a land border on the side with the rest of continental Asia."}, {"id": 11, "content": "The US war effort wasn't undermined from at home. America in 1950 was not America in 1967. Americans during the Korean War were used to poverty and war and they saw it as a duty that had to be done. Americans in the late '60s were rich, fat, and lazy."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Because South Korea was better than South Vietnam"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Korean War had escalated beyond a point at which the US could easily leave. Vietnam was still nominally a war against the Vietnamese. Sure it was Soviet and Chinese equipment, but it was Vietnamese soldiers using it. Leaving South Vietnam to collapse was no guarantee that the Chinese or Soviets would establish a true puppet state in the region; despite how ugly it would look, it wouldn't result in an insane reversal in the balance of geopolitics if the US left. Whereas in Korea, it wasn't Koreans with Chinese weapons. It was Chinese soldiers and some Korean soldiers. This was a loss the US simply couldn't accept, especially since the peninsula is so close to one of the few strongholds the US had in the region."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>What air power did North Vietnam even have? I always presumed the US just carbet bombed their runways and planes.\nEducate yourself on the US air force losses. The Soviet Union supplied the Vietnamese with aircraft and SAM systems, which were manned with the Soviet military personnel (officially, the pilots weren't allowed to fly, only to instruct the Vietnamese, but they did fly as well)."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Leaving South Vietnam to collapse was no guarantee that the Chinese or Soviets would establish a true puppet state in the region\nChina did not really want a united Vietnam under either government as it could become a regional power and Vietnam was traditionally not exactly bffs with them. They would have preferred the country to remain weak and divided."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThe Changs wanted a unified Vietnam until about 1968 after which point what you said was true. There’s a pretty funny story I recall reading from the early ‘70s where Mao was very seriously considering doing a joint military operation with the French to airlift VIPs/intel out of south Vietnam"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKorea was more important to American Pacific strategy."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody has pointed this out yet so I figured I’d do it. It’s hard to overstate just how popular Ho Chi Minh was with the Vietnamese, north and south after his resistance to and victory over the Japanese and especially over the French. The victory at Dien Bien Phu made everyone from radical commies to nationalists to village farmers see him as the liberator of Vietnam responsible for finally shaking off the foreign yoke. He was their George Washington for all intents and purposes. So with all that in mind, you can see how it might look to the Vietnamese when after finally beating the French, the only thing standing between them and freedom being waiting for signatures to be made on a peace treaty, somebody who you *thought* was your friend, who helped you fight the japs, who has no reason to care what you do in your own land, suddenly barges in and forces you to completely rewrite the treaty to split your land in two.\n\nImagine if after beating the British in the revolutionary war, during the peace negotiations France suddenly demanded the US be split in two between the north and a CSA ruled by someone nobody had ever heard of before and not letting George Washington get elected"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>still reciting New Left propagands from the '60s\nha ha no, Ho was a committed believer in Soviet communism since the 1920s, he was not an innocuous nationalist and he imposed the Stalinist model on North Vietnam and purged thousands including non-communist Vietnamese nationalists. He also caused terrible suffering with the Maoist \"Land Reform\" campaign in the '50s."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nThe Viet Minh were much weaker in the provinces that would become South Vietnam than they were in North Vietnam, IIRC only 5% of their cadres were from southern Vietnam. The only reason the French were even able to have something of Vietnam to be carved out after the war was because they'd effectively pacified it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\neffectively pacified southern Vietnam*"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nDid I ever say he wasn’t or didn’t?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nTheir influence was lesser there for sure but Ho Chi Minh still had massive personal popularity"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKorea was more strategically important than Vietnam and the US soldiers had higher morale in Korea than during Vietnam."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUS could defend SK under UN patronation, because USSR was butthurt about China and didn't block it. This didn't happen again in SV, so US never achieved such public support."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA quick rundown but\n>Warfare was more conventional, the Chinese in particular used some elements of guerilla warfare but in essence they were still fighting a mostly conventional war\n>Koreans saw the war as Communism vs Capitalism while Viets saw their war as Nationalism vs Colonialism\n>Nork partisans/guerillas were never really a thing in SK because no one in SK wanted to live under a Communist regiem, the Viet Cong were far more successful in building support for communism and anti-colonialism in South Vietnam\n>Increased international cooperation in Korea, while Vietnam was just the US with token forces from a few allies\n>South Koreans did what the US told them without protest and their president played ball with the US while South Vietnam consistently tried to use the US and wouldnt do what the US advised\n>South Korean government was oppressive but not offensively so, South Viet government was oppressive and pissed everyone off\n>US had mostly popular support in the Korean war, people werent thrilled but they also werent protesting the war or causing civil unrest\n\nEssentially, Korea was a war with (mostly) well defined sides and lines. Vietnam was a police action where the line between civilian and soldier was non existent and mass media began showing war real time on the nightly news for the first time."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAlso just thought to add this but, US strategy in Vietnam was a fucking mess. You had shit like the Strategic Hamlet Program, which was fine and a good idea when executed properly (and not in a way that pissed people off), running concurrently with shit like the Phoenix Program, where they were just straight up executing suspected VC. Then there was the fact that the draft went on long enough that middle class families were getting impacted by it. Korea wasn't very popular but at the very least the draftees were poor people who were used to getting assfucked by the Government. Korea didn't last long enough for the draft to really impact the middle and upper class. Vietnam was the first time since WW2 that middle class families were being asked to pay the price of global policing and due to the negative opinion of the war it led crazy morale problems both at home and in Vietnam itself. By '69 you had shit like fragging and units just straight up refusing to patrol or carry out orders. A platoon would go outside the wire, hump a mile into the jungle. Wait a day or two, call down arty and CAS into some random coordinates in the jungle near their supposed patrol route, then hike back into camp and give some completely bullshit made up body count number to command. You had insane rates of drug abuse, alcoholism, narcotic use, suicides, etc.\n\ntl;dr, both war weren't handled that great, but Vietnam was poorly managed from top to bottom, with bad coordination, outdated and bad tactics, and poor morale."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nPhoenix Program was actually a good thing.\nYeah it was very brutal but it worked really well and handicapped the VC pretty hard in a few provinces.\nThe issue was that my grandfather made a fucky wucky and told a congressman from Maryland that the CIA was “hypothetically” dressing Phoenix personnel up as VC, having them burn down villages, and then once the villagers fled the false flag attack they would be herded towards awaiting CIA and GVN operatives that would recruit them into the Phoenix program. Hypothetically of course"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI forgot to add that after he let that slip he was called to Congress to testify about what the fuck the CIA was doing.\nAfter that Congress looked more into the program and got their panties in a knot, then shut it down."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>Vietnam was the first time since WW2 that middle class families were being asked to pay the price of global policing and\nAre you a retard? Most Vietnam soldiers were not middle class they were inbred white trash crackers from the South and Appalachia, which was deliberate because LBJ was worried about losing suburban middle America's votes if he drafted their sons."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Korean war had way more countries coming in to secure South Korea"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US stopped sending aid to the south while the north was getting a ton of support from China and the USSR.\n>>6\nNo they didn't. Every major offensive that the north attempted while the US was there failed."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>implying USA didn't do 90% of the work"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nHe never said otherwise crackhead"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nMost UN countries in Korea only sent a token battalion or two, hardly decisive. In Vietnam there were something like half a million South Korean troops backing up the US. Like the other anon said the US did 90% of the work in Korea but more like 75% in Vietnam."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>the 1200 Ethiopians and 5,000 Colombians are really what stopped the Norks"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nFor me, it's the 44 Luxembourgers. Truly turning the tide of the war."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>4\nThe American congress stabbed South Vietnam in the back."}, {"id": 39, "content": "Communists knew they couldn't compete with the US/West in terms of economic or military strength so they chose to subvert Western societies particularly through academic institutions and were very successful in doing so.\n\nThe defence of South Vietnam against communist aggression was deliberately and admittedly, excellently orchestrated by Moscow and its useful idiots in the US."}, {"id": 40, "content": "US remained in South Korea as guarantor of the armistice. They did not remain in South Vietnam, and so there was nothing to stop the North from invading again once they'd built up their strength."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>6\n>>Vietnam decisively defeated the USA\nThey in fact did not decisively beat the USA in any battle. Their greatest offensive, the Tet Offensive, was a disastrous failure. The US defeat in Vietnam was a result of mainly bad planning by the USA in its entrance to the war, and the lack of will to continue the war or materially support South Vietnam after withdrawal."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is the one point in the cold war where the Soviets had an edge in aerospace technology."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe draft doomed Vietnam to be labeled Americas great imperial war where the Koreans where tired of fighting and wanted a ceasefire.\n\nThe Korean war is still on going by the way. It's literally just in a ceasefire right now."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>9\n>The KPA were constantly fed troops and equipment from the Chinese and heavy machinery from the Soviet\nYes. Through the Manchurian Mountains. You can argue the Vietnamese had the jungle though."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>28\nTet was far more responsible for ending the VC as a threat than Phoenix ever was. If anything the Phoenix program was likely responsible for even more guerillas and it made South Viets very willing to listen to the VC propaganda because, who are you going to side with? The guys who stole your rice and a few of your sons, or the guys who rolled in, burned your hooch, blew up all your food, killed half your Men and probably Grandma too, and then told you to move to some village halfway across the province and give up land your family has lived and worked on since before the other guys Country was a country?\n\nThe Phoenix program was dumb, even if it had some limited success. In COIN you either have to go full hearts and minds, and work with the populace to give them a better deal than the guerillas can offer; OR you go full stick mode and burn and kill everyone until resistance stops. Carrot and stick doesn't work in COIN situations because every stick action undoes whatever the carrot got you.\n\nWhat i'm saying is, the US should have either gone full in on the Strategic Hamlet program and ran it in such a way that it dramatically improved villagers lives, OR they should have gone full in on the Phoenix program. Trying to do both was a mistake and endemic of the Vietnam conflict in general. The US would consistently undermine humanitarian aid and positive relations ops with heavy handed and brutal slash and burn ops. It was a dumb way to wage war. If you want to see how it SHOULD have been done, read up on the ANZAC area of operations in South Vietnam. They were able to pacify and restore order to their province without destroying everything.\n\n>>30\nThat was only true until about '67 or '68. Then the draft started calling up middle class and upper middle class kids. This is very well documented because it's when opposition from the war went from mostly academic/media opposition to middle class families marching on Washington."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namerica was not allowed to invade north vietnam and could only defend the south for as long as possible. the NVA would've been obliterated had we been able to conduct a conventional war."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>26\n>Nork partisans/guerillas were never really a thing in SK because no one in SK wanted to live under a Communist regiem\nThats just not true\nNot sure who the souf death squads were massacring if not communists"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\nthere was a draft during the Korean War as well"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>Not sure who the souf death squads were massacring if not communists\nPolitical opponents of the Rhee regime.\n\nI will concede that my claim is a bit of an overreach, there absolutely were real guerillas in South Korea and the Norks did engage in sending cadres down South to try and convert people into guerilla activity, but it simply never took off in South Korea the way it did in South Vietnam due to a variety of factors. South Koreans really fucking hated communism because they viewed Communism as a foreign colonial influence, just from the Soviets/Chinese instead of the Americans."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nThey were worried about Chinese intervention again. That happened during the Korean War and resulted in an ignominious retreat to the south, granted it was extremely costly for the Chinese, but since when do Communists care about casualties? If anything the Korean War showed China wouldn't hesitate to throw away half a million men even if all it got them was a tinpot dictator and blasted wasteland for a buffer state."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>7\nI've heard it recounted that Hanoi was, next to St Petersburg/Moscow, the most heavily anti-air defended location on earth at the time. People underestimate the North Vietnamese and conflate them with Vietcong. Obviously this was because of being equipped with CHina and Russia, but they weren't the little pajamma-boys in the jungle.\n\n>>47\nNot an expert in south korea but whenever you have civil wars there's a lot of grudge settling over basic shit. We're talking\n>Oh cho sui over there? His son beat my boy up. I'm going to report him as a commie and help lynch him\nThink about how people behaved in gradeschool - if you liked someone you didn't report em but if you disliked em you snitched on em, or if you were unscrupulous you framed him. Now imagine instead of timmy stealing your favorite crayon it's timmy's family stole your cow or raped your cousin."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>33\n>>35\n>>36\n>>37\nYou are all just mad that i'm right.\nIf the Vietnam war included Dutch, Ethiopian, Bolivian garrisons, South Vietnam would still be around"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>28\n>>29\nDoes he have a wiki page? What based lad"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Democrats didn't sabotage the Korean cease fire. Simple as."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Adolf Hitler was to have died while still ruler of Nazi Germany, who would have been the next great successor to him? Any?\nI though so, the only reason fascism is held in high regards is because of Hitler's leadership and nothing else. Shit leaders would have made fascism sound no different from alien sci-fi leaders."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKarl Doenitz"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNot even true, historically, Goebells took over first. So much for your cleverness."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is especially true considering how unstratified the system was and how most of the OKW hated each other. There's a great extract from Shirer's book after the bombing at the Wolfsschanze:\n>The two dictators, with their entourages, then went to tea, and there now ensued it was about 5 P.M.-a ludicrous scene that gives a revealing, if not surprising, picture of the shabby, tattered Nazi chiefs at the moment of one of the supreme crises in the Third Reich. By this time the com-munications system of Rastenburg had been restored by the direct order of Hitler and the first reports from Berlin had begun to come in indicating that a military revolt had broken out there and perhaps one on the Western front. Mutual recriminations, long suppressed, broke out between the Fuehrer's captains, their shouting echoing through the rafters though at first Hitler himself sat silent and brooding while Mussolini blushed with embarrassment.\n>Admiral Doenitz, who had rushed by air to Rastenburg at the news of the attentat and arrived after the tea party had begun, lashed out at the treachery of the Army. Goering, on behalf of the Air Force, supported him. Then Doenitz lit on Goering for the disastrous failures of the Luftwaffe, and the fat Reich Marshal, after defending himself, attacked his pet hate, Ribbentrop, for the bankruptcy of Germany's foreign policy, at one point threatening to smack the arrogant Foreign Minister with his marshal's baton. \"You dirty little champagne salesman! Shut your damned mouth!\" Goering cried, but this was impossible for Ribbentrop, who demanded a little respect, even from the Reich Marshal. \"I am still the Foreign Minister,\" he shouted, \"and my name is von Ribbentrop!\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMECHA BLONDIE"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nthis"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Göring was originally intended to become the next fuhrer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has anyone else noticed a growing tendency among many people to view the fields of scholarship as infallible gods, and the associated scholars as irreproachable priests? In times past there was a healthy distrust of scholarship among the common man, but in recent years there has been a trend of segregating scholars off as a caste of intellectual elites, who may not be questioned or criticized by anyone unless they belong to the very same caste, regardless of the criticism. The legitimacy of this caste when one dares to question it is unsurprisingly defended on the basis of nothing more than the very same obscurantist appeals to authority which are used to defend their claims. This all tends towards the development of a worldview in society and especially those who otherwise might have been intellectual that invests in these modern priests all the authority of medieval priests, a worldview where there is no acceptable way to derive beliefs except by uncritical acceptance of what one is told."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Has anyone else noticed a growing tendency among many people to view the fields of scholarship as infallible gods, and the associated scholars as irreproachable priests?\n\nAnd why would they have a problem with that? Are infallible gods and irreproachable priests...le bad or something?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhen they are false"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhich ones are true? The mohammedan ones, right?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAnd if the experts said I was holding up 5 fingers, how many would I be holding up?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nDepends on what the Koran says about it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd your example for this is an image of mocking basic chemistry and physics?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">In times past there was a healthy distrust of scholarship among the common man\nThat's because less people were well educated in times past. There's nothing healthy about the stubborn refusal to accept that there are people who know better than you."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI have no intention of joining you in the worship of these strange gods and no intent of joining you in slavery to these false priests even if you offered to kill me as the alternative"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In times past there was a healthy distrust of scholarship among the common man, but in recent years there has been a trend of segregating scholars off as a caste of intellectual elites, who may not be questioned or criticized by anyone unless they belong to the very same caste, regardless of the criticism.\n\nBecause usually layman criticism is fucking retarded, and is just disgruntled quasi-political seething.\n\nIt's not like the anti-intellectual types are making premium alternative well-sourced journals to disprove stuff empirically."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nmeds"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\ncool story bro"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nYou're confused. The other side might be anti-academic, but not anti-intellectual. That would be you since you openly suppress your own intellect in submission to anything your exalted priests say"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThen don't use the internet, you fucking retard"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nIt’s crazy that people who are too dumb to get basic science are so furious about it"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIf I hold up 4 fingers and the experts say I'm holding up 5 how many am I holding up?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nYou should try and oppress your own mental illness through medication"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m not quite sure if you’re a butthurt religious person or a butt hurt racist crying about the fact that old ideas about race proved to be outdated and wrong."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nOf course comrade, questioning anything the party says is dangerous mental illness"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nShow us the original research that you do outside of academia."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\n>The other side might be anti-academic, but not anti-intellectual.\n\nSure thing.\nI'm sure you are refering to some Foundation type groups, maintaining research in some far reach of the world, unsullied by ideology, and not just political contrarians, right?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nIf I hold up 4 fingers and the experts say I'm holding up 5 how many am I holding up?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n>anti-academic\nah yes, unreviewed material by people who haven't gone through proper channels. that's what we needed all along"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>>22\n4\npoint, though?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nI just need to know, if I hold up 4 fingers and the experts say I'm holding up 5 how many am I holding up?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nDepends on the consequences. Non-sophists don't give a shit about arguments"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nSo, who's your Hari Seldon, keeping alive the flame of true intellectualism, kid?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nYou sure? You uneducated bumpkin, these people have spent their whole lives studying this topic. Why can't you accept there's people who are better educated than you? Where's your degree, what have you published? It's part of maturity to accept what science says. You poor deluded fool, you're part of a cult. This just isn't how things are done. Maybe you're just unintelligent, I get it man, there are some things I can't understand either. You're free to have your own beliefs, just understand that it isn't science, and it isn't history."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nSo what is this about? Are you just eternally seething because people say the Earth isn't flat despite the way that it looks like it is to you?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\na hand lifting fingers is not an object of scientific inquiry, because it can't be\nyour point is so absolutely retarded that the only reasonable conclusion is that you're trolling, which is what I suspected from the beggining"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nAgain, you goddamn fucktard, you don't even tell us anything about the consequences. Here's how both of you dumbfucks can be wrong:\n\n>\"it needs to be 4 drops to not be poisonous\"\n>\"no, it needs to be 5 drops, after that it becomes poisonous\"\n>it was actually 3 and now you're both dead\n\nSee how retarded your example is?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nOf course not, praise Science, I'll get the jab, I'll throw my bible in the trash, I wouldn't want people to think I'm one of those Goldsteini- I mean flat earthers"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>a hand lifting fingers is not an object of scientific inquiry, because it can't be\nYou primitive superstitious religious person. You sound like you're trying to come up with reasons why the science is wrong. It's time for this area to be removed from the realm of superstition and myth, and stormed by the light of science. When it comes to facts, and explanations of facts, science is the only game in town."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nSo, mask off moment, and it seems your ideological true scientists are anti-vaxers.\n\nKek, that was more disappointing than i believed.\n\nAtleast if you were a nazi or something, it would have been more interesting."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>22\nA scientific study would show you holding up 4 fingers"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nplease before the thread is archived confirm that you're trolling\ni'm deadass serious"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nHe is a nazi dude, check out the last thing he said"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nHe’s right, you’re just on a website of deranged morons so saying something true seems like trolling"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>OP is an anti-vaxx\n>in 2023\n>willing literally die for a fully vaxxed orange clown\n\nOh god how embarrasing, hahahaha!"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nYeah, but that's just incidental."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\nTo me, yes, I am a high openness low conscientiousness freethinker."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>8\nSame could be said about le Bible and that's how early modern protestant Bible thumpers thought."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\nOf course if your primitive beliefs were true they would stand up to scrutiny, but the science says otherwise. Why are you trying to roll science back hundreds of years? We need to follow the evidence. It may seem obvious to you that there's 4 fingers, but science is often counterintuitive. Just because you can't wrap your head around how there's 5 doesn't mean the science is wrong."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nThis.\n\nIll always find it funny how anti-vaxism is the reactionary right thing now, when it used to be the domain of far-left new age-y moonbats, and Trump helped accelerate the vaccine creation program the most."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nYeah the \"edgy right winger -> crystal healing soccer mom\" pipeline is the most hilarious ideological development of the past decade."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>37\n>>39\nOh no, I'm not any kind of Goldsteini- I mean science denier, I trust the science, there are 5 fingers!"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh look, it's the billionth \"s-science is totally a religion!\" post from a seething Christcuck."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\n>a website of deranged morons\nyep, \"deranged\" is indeed what i'm gathering from this thread"}, {"id": 49, "content": "I think we might have discovered a new logical fallacy: \"Appeal to Goldsteinism\", a particular species of poisoning the well in which one is discredited as some kind of villainous fool with a vested interest in what they are saying, and therefore nothing they say is to be considered. I expected these bumbling fucktards to prove my point better than I possibly could, because they are as lacking in self-awareness as they are in critical thinking skills, but I didn't expect it to take the form of \"He's a this! He's a that! What are your crimes?!\""}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\n>if I make up a scenario where science is objectively wrong is it wrong? Yes? Then science in general is wrong\n\nsome of you seriously should be kept in paddocks outside when you’re not at your cashier jobs. There’s no way giving you a megaphone is good for society"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nHow do you know if science is wrong?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nThe quality of the response is usually somewhat proportional to the quality of the original statement."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nWhen it is later proven wrong. Some fiends like oncology are inherently unreliable.\nBut listen to me bud, op’s image is making fun of the scientific explanation for where elements heavier than hydrogen come from, do you think that’s a lie?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nActually the quality of the response is usually proportional to the amount of butthurt the original statement evokes."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nThere's no \"the science\", just the research of the people who study the phenomena in question professionally. Disproving older research is a big part of that."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nThat's just another way of saying the same thing. Smug provocative low effort shit gets similar responses."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\n>When it is later proven wrong\nTherefore until the majority of members of the holy expert caste say otherwise, there are 5 fingers\n>do you think that’s a lie?\nIt doesn't matter if it's a lie, it only matters that the cult of academia decries the blasphemy of considering the possibility or thinking critically about it"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nThe smug people in this thread were the imbecilic cultists whose only defense against blasphemy of their gods was an appeal to ridicule"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nEvery single one of your responses is dripping with smugness though."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nNo, they were effective."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\nThere’s no cult, people are making fun of you for being ass-blasted that you don’t know where elements come from.\nThere are no studies showing you holding 5 fingers up, you literally had to make up an example of scientists being incorrect"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>28\nNonsensical comparison. What's the \"4 fingers are being held up but experts say 5\" equivalent in real world academia? Why?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>you literally had to make up an example of scientists being incorrect\nHow do you know they're incorrect?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nYeah at achieving your goal of drumming up similarly smug low effort responses. Don't pretend like you're here to have a honest discussion. You're just looking for emotional stimulation."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nIf I told you you would immediately insult me for daring to believe something as superstitious and primitive as there only being 4 fingers. Because you are a moron you have somehow failed to get the point. Maybe there's no comparable example in reality, but if there is you certainly could never know it."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nYou literally stipulated that they're incorrect in your hypothetical scenario."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>Don't pretend like you're here to have a honest discussion. You're just looking for emotional stimulation.\nTherefore nothing I say is to be considered. Am I one of them flat earthers too? A nazi? An anti-vaxer? A fundie?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nNo you primitive superstitious fool, didn't you see what I said? I said the experts said there's 5 fingers, so of course that's correct"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nIf you wanted things you say to be considered, you shouldn't have written it in such a way that encourages people to just shitpost back at you. Food for thought."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>65\nYeah, because there is no concrete point. Even if I immediately insulted you(I don't think why you think this), it's irrelevant. You just have a vapid metaphor. This doesn't translate to anything specific."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nSorry I wasn't servile and polite enough the cult of academia when criticizing it. Maybe I should have had my post peer-reviewed first too just to be sure"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m not sure and I didn’t read most of your post but what I do know is that I fucking love science"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>I don't think why you think this\nIf you don't know why, you're probably one of the cultists I'm talking about\n>You just have a vapid metaphor. This doesn't translate to anything specific.\nThe posts I made are all directly based on things I have heard the academists say unironically. One was a verbatim quote from Daniel Dennett."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nYou forgot to attach a basedjak, that would surely increase the likelihood of getting a smug yet angry response."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nDid it make you cry too?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nWill it make you happy if I say it did?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nNo, I would prefer if you turned the emotions off and the intellect on."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\nInstead of assuming things about a person, I prefer to see what they actually think.\n\n>The posts I made are all directly based on things I have heard the academists say unironically. One was a verbatim quote from Daniel Dennett.\nOK, then say that."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nMy intellect tells me that you're not here to have a honest conversation so effortposting would be pointless."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nOf course I'm not to be taken seriously. I don't trust the science"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">Has anyone else noticed\nNo, and you haven’t either because nobody does that. You didn’t “notice” anything you’re just parroting shitty christcuck cope memes. Kys"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nWhether or not it's pointless to effortpost in response to you has nothing to do with whether you are to be taken seriously. If a PhD scientist presents an argument in the form of basedjaks and smug one liners, it's not worth it to put much effort into a toy either."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\n*into a reply, weird autocorrect"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nRight, what I have to say is not to be considered because it is not peer-reveived, academic, or scholarly. Thank you for continuing to prove my point"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\n>peer review = not posting basedjaks\n>academic = not posting low effort one liners\n>scholarly = not posting smug strawmen"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nYeah everything I have to say is a low effort one-line strawman, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nThis is ironically a low effort strawman."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>37\nIts a 1984 reference you dumb nigger"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>49\nI think we may have discovered that you're a braindead faggot and that your mom should've swallowed"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>46\nHe's a literal anti-vaxxer, holy shit hahahaha\n\nAre Trump and Putin considered infidels by you? Because those two are fully vaxxed. You do know that, right? Along with all the people who push your shitty beliefs?\n\nImagine simping for something your idols don't believe in themselves hahahaha"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nOh my Science that is so heckin epic"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nNo but seriously, are Trump and Putin infidels, or are they like how Catholics view 'wise pagans'? Do you people have an anti-vaxx hell or something? With needles poking the unbelievers for not falling for the dumbest scam of the 21st century?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly leftoids care what \"the experts\" think. Normal people know that they are often wrong."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nNo. Normal people trust experts, which is why normal people call a doctor when there's a critical health emergency, for example.\n\n4chan shut-in freaks pretend to be above it all, but really they are just detached from reality because they never leave their smelly bedrooms."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nWhy do you worship an institution?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nHe doesn’t. He trusts certain institutions to some degree. Everything you don’t like isn’t a rival religion"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYup."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nNah that was disproven in this thread. Sorry you're trapped in this cult"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nThere’s no cult anon you’re just mentally ill"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\n>realize throughout my life that doctors have the most effective health solutions\n>anon thinks this means you’re in a cult\nOkay"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">You claim to be \"skeptical of authority\" yet you went straight to a doctor to diagnose the cause of a growing rash instead of your priest or consulting this book written by other people 2,000 years ago...curious!"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nAnd now you've got myocarditis"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA prristly class is based only when I agree with them"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nDo Trump and Putin have Imaginocarditis as well? They took the vaxx, after all"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nI don't know, there isn't a peer-reviewed study to answer that question"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nThen how do you know anon has it?"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>102\nNope, never had that in my life.\nEven if you did get that from the shot, it would not change the fact that carbon was forged in stars. My god dude don’t be such a troglodyte."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nCarbon was created from nothing."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>95\nI don't\n\n>>96\nIndeed. Obviously medicine isn't perfect and makes mistakes (e.g. lobotomies). So a critical mind is always needed.\n\nBut normal people will recognise when somebody else is more knowledge about a subject than they are."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\nSt. Hydroxochloriquine revealed it to him in a dream, and then the prophet Ivermectin interpreted it for him. All hail"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\nHow many fingers Anon?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>108\nCongratulations. You’re a moron"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nCope"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey seem to treat scientists as a Borg collective that all believe the same thing and have the same thoughts."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>47\nStop being a schlemiel."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>111\nDo you take up your arse? As many as will fit, I imagine.\n\n>>115\nKeep crying, Christcuck."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nAfter all the time you've spent with Tyrone a thousand fingers would fit."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>109\nAtheists really taking pride in being literal intellectual peasants"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>religious larper calling others intellectual peasants when every study shows the more intelligent you are the less likely you are to be religious"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\n>every study\nLiterally incapable of thinking without your priests' permission. Clearly you're more intelligent"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\noh in that case you must have something that can disprove those various studies, you clearly aren't coping about your faux intellectualism getting btfo'd"}, {"id": 122, "content": "hey did you know that the guy who invented lobotomies got a noble prize for it? i thought that was interesting"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>2\naccepting text as a type of \"divine will\" is pretty bad when the whole point is to correct mistakes in said text\nprogress dies when it becomes a religion"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Has anyone else noticed\n>posts a 5 year old meme mocking the phenomenon"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn his famous farewell address where people usually quote the passage about the military Industrial complex, Dwight Eisenhower also said something equally important about scientists:\n> The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocation, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet in holding scientific discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite\n\nThis man was an oracle"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm an archaeology student and even I can recognise that the idiots posting on Reddit alternate history subs sucking off Hancock and the YDIH have zero understand of anything to do either archaeology.\n\nI can understand why academics hate these retards, you do 11 years of study and spend 16 hours a day in the dirt and dust in the middle of a desert digging and doing baseline offset surveys for some fuckwit who stacks bricks or drives a truck to tell you you're an evil globalist who should be ignored"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are you telling me that in 1976 China, when Mao died, there were only 7 people in a country of 1 billion who knew anything about refrigeration when they attempted to preserve Mao's body, he nearly exploded?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao’s China was a massive shithole literally african tier shithole, it was Deng that modernized the country not Mao."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey knew a lot about refrigeration but Mao was really fucking fat"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\nduring the cultural revolution, they tested a nuke, an icbm, and even launched a satellite. meanwhile africans are building planes with ceiling fans for propellors."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nDoesn’t change the fact that the average chang under Mao had an African-tier living standard. I guess Maoist China was sort of better to live in than the warlord period, but things didn’t really start dramatically improving for the average chink on the street until Deng."}, {"id": 6, "content": "No nations are good at keeping bodies on display for decades because it's not something that's usually done."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nSome of these africans building planes would do great with a bit of funding"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIf you have one billion people you can definitely find a dozen who are really smart, even if the average is retarded."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat happens to me if i draw a penis near Mao's mouth?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "How many people are preserved like this today. Lenin, Mao, both Kims, anyone else?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nThis is true. I wouldn't underestimate east asians."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nThat just means the higher ups werent complete retards regarding resource allocation. Doesn't change the fact that Chinese peasants under Mao were basically serfs."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nHo Chi Minh. Commies are insects"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>>13\nwhy are they obsessed with preserving bodies like that? And why only those fuckers, instead of making it a procedure for every prole?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>And why only those fuckers\nFetishism for the \"\"\"\"\"revolutionary vanguard\"\"\"\"\". Fun little reminder that Lenin wanted an ordinary burial, and Lenin's wife was very angry about the public display of his embalmed corpse"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Picrel I made"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWHG face looks too long."}, {"id": 3, "content": "naomi scott and brendan fraser?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>WHG Female\nWould"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid WHG women have big bunda and booba?\nWe know ANE women were massive milk trucks. But what did WHG women look like?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntHESE aren't legit reconstructions"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1.65 MB\n>WHG Female and Yamnaya Male\nExcept this never happened"}, {"id": 8, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>We know ANE women were massive milk trucks\nWe do not know that. If they had, why would ANE rape other races? Italian women seem to have biggest breasts on average in Europe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nPretty sure slavic/eastern/northern european women have biggest booba on average"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nleft is yamnaya\nright is whg"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What makes Eastern Europeans different from Western Europeans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbout 13 million turkoid cocks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nDon't forget the centuries worth of Russian rape babies too. The poor fuckers never had a chance."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nRussians are Eastern Europeans. You're dumb."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Best Eastern European countries to live:\nPoland, Czech, Slovenia, Slovakia, Croatia, Balts and Hungary\n\nShitholes:\nRussia, Serbia, Belarus, Romania, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro and Bulgaria\n\nAfrica tier:\nMoldova and Ukraine"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia is the only relevant country in Eastern Europe. So most stereotypes about Russia is associated with the entire Eastern Europe."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nSince when did Turkey invade Eastern Europe? They only conquered Southern Europe."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Western Europe: UK, France, Ireland, Belgium and Netherlands.\n\nEastern Europe: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Romania and the Balts.\n\nCentral Europe: Poland, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Czech, Slovakia and Hungary.\n\nNorthern Europe: Scandinavian countries, Finland and Iceland.\n\nSouthern Europe: Italy, Greece, Spain, Albania, Portugal, Ex Yugoslavic countries and Bulgaria."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Central Europe\nGiga cope, no such thing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nR1a"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What makes Eastern Europeans different from Western Europeans?\n\n~2x higher ANE admixture and some also have modetn mongoloid admixture"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre these italians?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>4\n>He doesn't know that ~90% of Russia is in Asia"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n100% identitarians"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nSo? How does that change the fact Russians are Eastern Europeans?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nAnd Still Russia is the largest country in Europe. How based is that?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be eastern european\n>hated by westerners for being too orientalized/off-white\n>hated by non-whites for being too westernized/white\n>yfw everyone is your enemy\n¯\\_(ツ)_/¯"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nAre you retarded? Russians are native to Eastern Europe."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEastern Europe is more white."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\nAh yes, the Baltics, losing a quarter of the population in the last 30 years, auch a great place."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomans are southern European, not eastern"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nturks and gypsies, far right is a gypsy"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>Tatar yoke\n>millions of Turks still living across Ukraine and Russia\n>/his/let\nThe Steppe was always raided and populated by Turks after around 400ad, even the Mongols used very little Mongols at all in the west and relied on Turks to invade Iran and the Rus thus why there is very little left of the Mongols outside of a small enclave in southern Russia near the Chechens"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nas a non-european (mena), one thing i've noticed about eastern europeans is that in general they have softer, more feminine faces than western europeans, both the women AND the men\n\nadditionally eastern european women also act more traditionally feminine than western european women, but conversely eastern european men act way more masculine than the meek western european men"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>12\nRomanians and other balkanite creatures are mostly farmnigger though"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are you getting ready for the Coronation of King Charles III?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharlie's III Angels coming."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Tá mé ag fáil réidh."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYour full guide to King Charles III's coronation\nhttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65342840"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can't wait for him to dissolve parliament."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nAnd a crwch mwyn myrfyd to you too, Daffyd!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThanks for reminding me that Westoids have always dressed like massive faggots"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did feudalism have positive effects in one county's innovation and social development? Feudalism ended in China and Korea a thousand years earlier than European countries and Japan, and we all know the results."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Feudalism is a meme just like the Dark Ages. Feodums were freeholds, not states\n> pic related is art in King Otto's rule"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts better than slavery"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">feudalism\nliteral dark ages of science, art, and technology, no major inventions or breakthroughs in this time\n>feudalism, east asia\nera so great for culture it has a specific name, philosophy, technology, military tactics and weaponry all flourish"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\n>founded the renaissance, the printing press, many military innovations"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did feudalism have positive effects in one county's innovation and social development?\nIts a necessary development from a more tribalistic society."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nFrance is a much better example of feudalism."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapanese feudalism permafroze it into the 16th century and it was no more advanced than the Qing Empire. They were only lucky that Europeans dogpiled into China first and left Japan alone."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Chinks bottled it by replacing feudal warrior aristocrats with effiminate and midwit bureaucrats and traitorous eunuchs. Also feudal society might have helped the peasants not being so uppity about the mandate of heaven n shit"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Chinks bottled it by replacing feudal warrior aristocrats with effiminate and midwit bureaucrats and traitorous eunuchs.\n\nThey had no other choice. Competition between the Warring feudal states was so prolonged and intense that entire kingdoms lost the flower of their chivalry in no time, either through attrition or a single bad loss. In this doggy dog world a King/Duke who wants to survive is a King/Duke that opened the military to the commoner classes, build a huge massive state army, and ensured that he is the only sole authority to direct that army. That meant volunteers/conscripts, that meant state standing armies, and that in turn meant an expanded bureaucracy to manage all these resources & manpower heading to state armies.\n\nChina is really where the warrior class goes to die. Its just so big in terms of geography & population that relying on a meme warrior aristocracy is the fastest way to get removed from power by an angry populace that is *armed.* Warrior aristocrats are too few to police a realm so big. There were many a times that some Steppenigger conqueror would impose a warrior aristocracy over China and within a generation, quickly realize how wrong that move was, and reopen military service to the Han Chinese commoner once again. Another generation passes by and the Steppenig Dynasty's military is fully Chinese & made up of common soldiers."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf feudalism \"ended\" thousands of years before the west, then what the fuck were the Chinese doing for all that time?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nA centralized state under an Absolute Monarchy."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWhat? It isn't hard replace a warrior class with another one. Constant warfare actually make it easy to find good warriors to fill in the dead ones. Humans toughen up when things get hard you pussy.\n\nIn fact if you look at history, constant war actually boost the warrior class's numbers. Look at Japan. By the end of their warring period the warrior class has swolen to huge numbers\n\nThe destruction of China's warrior class is mainly due to domestic security concerns and centralisation (less nobles in amor=less threat to the emperor)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Constant warfare actually make it easy to find good warriors\n\nConstant low intensity conflict you mean. The Warring States Era Kings competed so intensely that it led to total war. Wars were not the brushfire conflicts of feudal lords but prolonged campaigns that went for years and decades. Armies ran out of material and men so fast that every state resource, human or otherwise, is to be used for the military purposes. That also means the same resources are valid military targets so its ok to burn your enemies fields, kill entire cities and whole noble clans, even slaughter POWs if you have to. And this went on for 500 years.\n\n>It isn't hard replace a warrior class with another one.\n\nYes it is. Zhou/Early Warring states Chinese warrior classes were the Shi. They were hereditary warrior aristocrat class that have monopoly over military skills, trained from childhood to adulthood to become warriors, and whom you gave fiefs to. Commoners could not own weapons nor serve militarily, only the Shi can.\n\nFast forward to the mid-Warring States, in an age of battles of annihilation & total warfare, a dead warrior is hard to replace. It means waiting for the next generation to grow up, or reshuffling lands and knighting/enfeoffing someone else fill in ranks. If you want to have an army after 10 years of constant campaigning you're gonna have to open your ranks to the commoners.\n\n>The destruction of China's warrior class is mainly due to domestic security concerns and centralisation\nIf security was the concern then warrior classes monopolizing martial skills would remain.\n\nNo. China's warrior class was already destroyed UNDER feudalism, 300 years prior unification thanks mainly to intense life or death competition between kings. By the time the warring states got reduced to 8 states by 500s BC all of them ran centralized standing militaries that ran on mass conscription or voluntary service. All that's left for the nobility to do was administrative work."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI can tell you're huge fag. Talking about war like it's one of the video games you play. I still have hope you'll become a real man one day. Pro tip it starts by looking at reality instead being self-deluded in your headcanon"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nThat is generally considered to be feudalism, just late stage feudalism when all the feudal power has been concentrated in one hand by the rules of fedualism. The only way to change that would be to change the rules into something else. The analogy being that under capitalism eventually everything will be owned by one company and the only way for that to change would be for the rules to change. There is no rule change going from \"feudalism\" to \"absolute monarchy\", it is the same system, just a more advanced version of it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nYou can just read up on the Warring States period and see how brutal it was. The way the age ate up armies so fast led to the fall of the Warrior Class in favor or conscript forces, and the violence and chaos led the Changs to view a unified China and centralized states as desirable."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThere is no shortage of warriors. The ruler just didn't ennobled them you dumb queer. The number of good officers and soldiers they had keep growing despite the \"brutal\" wars. Even in ww2 the Soviet didn't have a problem with their leadership because the purges and war still doesn't stop tough soldiers from becoming officers\n\nYou're such a faggot that you see wikipedia articles and numbers and think that's reality. I doubt it was any more brutal than warfare in other regions of the same period. If anything the large population of China and the conscription make it less deadly. Warfare in tribal society/city-states was extremely deadly because tribes and city-states had low population and a single battle can wipe out a good chunk of the population. On the genetic side it is certainly the case. Populations outside China has been outright wiped out and never return if you look at ancient DNA. The battle you posted had large casualties but it hardly made a dent to the demographics on both sides since China had so many people. And with so many people it should be natural that China should in fact have the easiest time replacing their aristocracy"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>There is no shortage of warriors.\nThen conscription would not have been a thing.\n>The ruler just didn't ennobled them you dumb queer.\nThey actually still did for the officers. But they were now just titles with a peerage rank & a bonus salary from the court instead of actually giving you fiefs.\n\n> The number of good officers and soldiers they had keep growing despite the \"brutal\" wars.\nThanks primarily to opening the military to the commoners instead of just relying on the warrior class.\n\n>You're such a faggot that you see wikipedia articles and numbers and think that's reality.\nThe numbers are obviously exagerated but the way the ancients talked about the era and its battles points to an exceedingly violent period.\n\n>I doubt it was any more brutal than warfare in other regions of the same period.\nIt actually was. The kind of regular business the Warring States generals pulled off would be huge scandals and atrocities in the Classical World for example. Alexander putting Tyre or Thebes to the sword was already pretty bad and he didn't even annihilate it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nas i said before all the stuffs you say is your own headcanon. Show me actual proofs that it was any more deadly. Genetic evidence is undeniable, warfare outside China was genocidal because of the demographic replacement\n\nConscription is to gain military advantage, the warrior class don't matter. Greek city states and Europeans kingdoms eventually does it too without huge losses to their ruling classes.\n\nYou don't need to lecture me on chink history, especially with your robotic intepretation of it. The Qin and Han could have had create the largest aristocracy in the world but they chose not to in favor of centralisation and domestic stability, Liu Bang and his descendants waged wars to revoke all his non-related vassal's land. Still a warrior class emerged again in northern China in the turbolent years before Tang and launched the golden age of China with their martial prowess. Only to get destroyed again during the Song because the emperor see the military as a threat. \"Wikipedia-determinists\" is a good term to describe people like you. You see the Wiki numbers, narratives, and the geography and thinks it's destiny that china has no warrior aristocracy"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\n>>7\nnot feudalism"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\n>founded the renaissance\nThats italy"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Genetic evidence is undeniable, warfare outside China was genocidal because of the demographic replacement\nWhat are some instances of this?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nnone whatever"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nWhich part of HRE + Byzantine scholar"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah, it's pretty good"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\n>ESL retard"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDefine feudalism"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo a degree, yes. Fractured states mean intense competition, which means polities are desperate for new ways to win against one another.\n\nBut it's also not really a choice. Feudalism is highly correlated with a certain geography-- physically fractured lands (by mountains and rivers and such) eventually lead to politically fractured lands. This creates a ton of chokepoints that castles can control. You generally needed a 2-1 ratio of siegers to defenders to siege it, and 4-1 to assault it.\n\nChina in the other hand is huge plain with a shit ton of people. Not many chokepoints opportunities and it's pretty easy to bypass."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\nWhy do you leftypol dildos soi the cuckold nigger?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Your thoughts on Andrew Jackson?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "based"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly good president."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nTop tier president, if it wasn't for the trail of tears he could be a great candidate for best US president."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like that he destroyed the BOTUS, but his mistreatment of the Cherokee makes me not really like him as president.\nI don't think he should be on the 20$ bill, he isn't relevant enough for today, and also has terrible to some of our major ethnic groups.\n\nI think someone like Fredrick Douglas, MLK jr., or someone like that should take his place."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no one in the world who doesn't agree with him on at least one thing"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m gonna be honest, I think this dude may have been out of his fucking mind."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScary but quite based."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nMaybe intimidating would be a better word than scary. I just wouldn't want to piss him off."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe really should have hanged Callhoun"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA true populist, we need him now more than ever"}, {"id": 13, "content": "can someone give me a qrd for a non-american\n>what he did\n>what the boomers think of him\n>what you're told to think of him in school"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHe is recognized as expanding the powers of the presidency and facilitating \"Jacksonian democracy\" with emphasis toward the humble, common man protected from the privileged class, and greater participation in and organization for politics. He also asserted the president being the representative of the American people. On coming to office he started firing and replacing many times more of the bureaucracy than had ever been replaced before to transform government offices into those run primarily by supporters. This was called the spoils system. He also exercised the veto far more than previous presidents who were generally more likely to defer to the legislature.\nHe vetoed some internal improvements and let others pass based on if they were interstate or only confined to one state, the latter scenario Jackson said was not the rightful domain of the federal government, basically a middle position then.\nHe also vetoed the rechartering of the second bank of the United States. Nicholas Biddle, the president of the bank, and political allies of the bank, forced the issue a couple years before the bank was set to expire unless rechartered during Jackson's first term in hopes that if Jackson vetoed it after a recharter passed Congress, it would jeopardize his reelection. This didn't work, and Jackson's veto message stated how the bank operated at the expense of the people and how, knowing that the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a bank decades before in McCulloh v. Maryland, the court's rulings while binding the lower judiciary did not extend to the independent decisions of Congress and the President who swore their oaths on their own understandings of the Constitution and should act on their own beliefs unimpeded by the other branches.\n(cont.)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe bank didn't expire yet though, and Jackson was concerned that it could be renewed by means of bribery and corruption. He thus, on the theory that it was under the domain of the treasury secretary, had the public funds of the bank withdrawn. This pissed of a number of people in Congress who asserted that that was the rightful power of Congress and loudened the cries of Jackson being a tyrant, but it effectively destroyed the bank. Biddle did try to initiate a financial crisis by restricting loans which would get business leaders to pressure Jackson and Congress for relief and save to the bank, but it didn't work. Now, the public deposits taken from the bank were given to the state banks. This combined with the species circular executive order that made public lands only purchasable by gold and silver were two things that at least in part lead to the panic of 1837, a year after Jackson left office to his successor Martin Van Buren.\nJackson also signed the Indian removal act to removed a number of Indians west of the Mississippi. At the time there was conflict between bordering Southern states and the Indian nations over the land which the states claimed as theirs, and Jackson took those states' side.\nArguably the most important thing related to Jackson was the nullification crisis. Basically the tariff of 1828 which was very high pissed off Southerners and the next tariff legislation wasn't much better. The tariff was meant primarily to protect and facilitate American industry and manufacturing of the North, while it harmed the Southern states and their importation. South Carolina produced the Ordinance of Nullification, which declared that any state can nullify a federal law within its borders should they deem it unconstitutional, and it stated that if the federal government tried to enforce the tariff, the state would move to secede. It was thought by many at this time that civil war was imminent, with SC also organizing their militia.\n(cont.)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nA compromise tariff that was to lower rates over the next couple decades was reached, and at the same time Jackson proposed the force bill, which passed, that expressly authorized him to use military force against a state attempting to resist federal authority. This was mostly symbolic and to demonstrate that Jackson would have the support of Congress, because the Militia Acts of the 1790s already legally authorized the president to call forth the militia to put down insurrection after issuing a proclamation that the rebels disperse. South Carolina backed down. John Calhoun of SC, who was once Jackson's vice president although their relation was strained from the very start, was the one who advanced the doctrine of nullification.\nJackson also had a problem earlier in his first term with his cabinet concerning the wife of Secretary of War John Eaton and Mr. Eaton himself. Much of the cabinet and Washington society despised Margaret Eaton for rumored sexual scandals and would not accept them as social peers. It started when Calhoun's wife decided she didn't like her. John Eaton was a very good longtime friend of Jackson so Jackson did not like this in the slightest. Eventually Eaton, along with Secretary of State Van Buren, who became on very good terms with the president in supporting Eaton and his wife, resigned. Other cabinet members then got fired, resulting in much of the cabinet being replaced. This is known as the Petticoat affair.\n\nBefore Jackson became president he was known along with other successes for the battle of New Orleans during the War of 1812 which is one of the most impressive victories in US history. He was also known for invading Spanish Florida due to Indians harassing Americans from there, which is a whole affair of its own.\n>what the boomers think of him\nGenerally positive, I think.\n(cont.)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>what you're told to think of him in school\nI guess it depends on the school, what time you were in school, and the teacher. I was more or less taught he was a sort of mixed bag with good and bad things. I can see him being treated as the devil in some classrooms though. The trail of tears, of course, is like the American holocaust for some people."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\nexcellent bait"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>what you're told to think of him in school\n\nThat he was a racist slave-owner and the only thing he did as president was the trail of tears and he did it for no reason other than hating people who didn’t have white skin."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Demonrat, therefore cringe"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDont care. American history is extremely boring."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of the worst presidents. His agenda set the count back 50 years and he created the conditions that would lead to the civil war"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nTrump lost."}, {"id": 24, "content": "His crusade against the BOTUS showed that perhaps he was getting a little out of touch with the times not entirely appreciating that the West as mid-century approached was becoming urbanized and developing industry and a middle class, it was no longer the frontier society of his youth. A stable currency was necessary for the rapidly developing US economy. He perhaps also failed to appreciate that the Whigs were not merely ex-Federalists but also Democrats who had a falling out with him."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\n>This didn't work, and Jackson's veto message stated how the bank operated at the expense of the people and how, knowing that the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a bank decades before in McCulloh v. Maryland\nactually no McCullogh v. Maryland was sometime entirely different. that case involved the state of Maryland trying to tax the local branch of the BOTUS and the Supreme Court ruled that it was a Federal institution and thus not taxable by the states."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThat was what was being directly contested but it was also argued whether or not the bank was constitutional, and the court said it was as part of its opinion."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHe would have been an American Stalin if it weren't for the restraints placed on his office at the time.\n\nJackson may have genuinely meant well but he also had the heart of a tyrant. If he had the kind of authority and near total lack of unaccountability that modern US Presidents enjoy, his totalitarian impulses would have led to the deaths of millions."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nFuck off, Clay! If you had let him become President in 1824, both you and Adams would have eventually have eigh year long terms"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVAMPIRE"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Found out recently there’s actually surviving photos of Andrew Jackson"}, {"id": 31, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was probably catholic"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>20\nthe modern Democrat Party has basically disowned him but he used to be invoked regularly by 20th century Democrat presidents as a champion of the masses against the rich or whatever"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\nHe on an individual level did literally none of those things."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am personally much more sympathetic to the Federalist tradition that ultimately was driven under by Jackson's radical democracy movement, however the man was a giant - a true tribune of the people. He was the avatar of the common man and frontier fighter of yore, he had all of the their virtues, and indeed their faults. I would have to rate him highly, even if I am certainly critical of particular actions of his."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\nDemocrat, therefore the real racist, therefore based"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Secessionist obliterator."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nChads"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased, even if I dislike him for familial reasons."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are whites and especially white males so much into bestiality? Can whiteoids explain?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Blacks don't have access to animals besides their siblings"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCope post"}, {"id": 4, "content": "only account arrests is inaccurate. It is widely known donkey ranchers in latin america go wild for donkey poon, stop with your gay anti-white twitter joke"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>blacks don't have access to animals\n>wtf blacks don't fuck animals?\nI think a broader question would be why blacks are incapable of animal husbandry"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBlacks do have access to animals. they use them for dog fighting"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n/Thread"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite people love animals.\nSimple ass."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhy other people don't?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndo-European genes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell firstly there are a few problems with the question 'Why are whites and especially white males so much into bestiality?' whites also make up alarger proportion of the population than blacks or latinos so assuming rates of offense were similar would commit more.\n\nthe effects are also going to be distorted by the issue of access to animals, a larger proportio of whites will be rural and thus have access to animals for bestiality.\n\nthe question asks why a statement might be true, but the statement is not demonstrated to be true"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nWhat the fuck do you expect them to tame? Lions? Zebra?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Escorted by US Marshals, six year old Ruby Bridges becomes the first black student to attend William Franz Elementary School in New Orleans, November 14, 1960."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Oh boy here comes the seethe"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe’s still alive btw. Not even in her 70’s either. This is still super recent history."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>American ''history'' is about how they denied some niglets education\nban all discussion about muttmerica"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWild how a significant number of congressmen were highschool or college aged when this happened.\nI fucking hate living in a gerontocracy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nyeh? same age as my mother who was 6 years old back then. you think it was a long time ago but we haven't even had a president born in the 50s yet, other than Obama not one born more recently than 1946."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Then what happened?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nthe mummified carcass of Dianne Feinstein (incredibly almost a decade older than Joe Biden) was 27 back then"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Meanwhile in fascist-held Africa 20 years earlier..."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNow this is cool"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>bros fascism is so tolerant and exclusive Le allied propaganda got you trippin'!\nSo you'll import more blacks and make them equals among your people?\n>um...n-...no..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">inb4 ebic monkey in a dress jokes"}, {"id": 13, "content": "that looks like a monkey in a dress"}, {"id": 14, "content": "White people would have murdered that kid?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIntegrating schools at bayonet point was counterproductive as in 1968 almost 90% of Southern schools were still segregrated. Nixon managed to finally get rid of school segregration by offering states incentives and blandishments to do so."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nno it just makes you have to dumb down your curriculum so blacks can pass"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEXTREMELY cute kid, would parent\n\nwhy don't i see amerimutts like this anymore, they seem to turn into goblins the second they learn to walk."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>so popular and righteous it had to be forced at gun point"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nPeople like to meme the 1800s but 1950-1960 was legit the most racist period in US history."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>you have to dumb down your curriculum so blacks can pass\nThat's not how schools really work though."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\nAnon doesn't get that Germany had to play it safe and not immediately antagonize/kill off any Africans or remaining French in those occupied areas."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nInner city schools literally pass blacks through highschool that don't know how to read"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nEight of the Little Rock Nine are still alive."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThat's what those schools do. Curriculums vary a lot by school so even the disparity between white schools can be hyge between them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>it's okay that blacks get passed through school illiterate because otherwise they'd never graduate\nokay?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nYou literally just proved him right lmao"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't understand how people genuinely thought/think that segregation was a good idea. How on earth do you have two populations living side by side on the same soil, under the same laws, speaking the same language and expect them to never interact and use completely different services? Regardless of \"efficacy\" it's completely unhealthy and inorganic for any post-industrial society"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nbecause blacks are so different from whites?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n\n>it's unhealthy for niggers to not get access to whites"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\nIt's not a matter of tolerance, it's a matter of unity. If you're going to have an ethnic minority within your nation (not that the existence of such should be actively sought), they need to be assimilated and subordinated to the higher ideals of a state culture underlined by discipline and order. When you allow them to form their own communities - a nation within a nation - you're just asking for trouble. The Romans understood this to an extent. If a tribe was to migrate into the state's borders and if such a migration couldn't be realistically militarily prevented, that tribe needed to be broken up, disarmed, and scattered while also being deprived of their traditional leadership. In events that such break-ups didn't happen, you'd end up with a rampaging horde within the state before long that'll find some reason to rebel and want gibs."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nthat was literally the argument used by the supreme court to outlaw segregation"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nIf they were so different they shouldn't have been integrated into society in the first place (ie. Amerindians)"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo you guys don’t understand we need to force whites at bayonet point because blacks are too stupid to teach their own kids. They need WASP & Jewish teachers to do it for them to teach them right, and by right I mean liberal.\n\nIgnore the fact that one of the best schools in the country is all black with black teachers teaching gifted black students."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI hate women. Why the fuck would you be smiling? The one up in front is cool, though."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nblacks weren't integrated into society though? What do you think segregation was? they were left to make their own parallel black society because nobody did and still doesn't want to associate with them"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nBlack workers were hired by white businessmen, white lawyers defended black defendants, interracial marriages occured etc. If they didn't want to associate so badly they could've shipped them off to Africa or given them some shitty strip of land like they did with the natives"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nBlacks didn't want to leave though, as soon as welfare was on the table they were hooked"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThey could have shipped them off or killed them."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\nLolno. The previous court of appeals had already acknowledged the merits of the plaintiff's case."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>you will have succeed because you have access to Whites"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Before you became a Jew."}, {"id": 2, "content": "the woke will become nazi if you cut their narcissistic supply"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe implication is that America is a barbaric place full of criminals, hooligans, blacks and degenerate hedonistic culture. Which was all true even back then especially in large cities."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHilarious that nazis make this shit when they were the ones to bomb Rotterdam (a neutral city.)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIn 1918 possibly, having a foreign funded civil war happen in your nation makes you re-evalue some things of what you believed to know about the world"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nI think the Nazis disliked the KKK because they saw them as larping white trash playing wizards."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nI think the reference to KKK and niggers is about american hypocrisy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anyone else curious what nu-/his/ believes? I am.\n\nhttps://strawpoll.com/polls/PbZqRqpAByN"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShit poll\nNobody on /his/ is Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, etc. We're all Christian or Atheist with the occasional larpagan.\n\nIt should be\nCatholic\nOrthodox\nProtestant\nAtheist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>He thinks weird jew cult offshoots should count as different religions\nLol"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>he thinks there are practicing Hindu's on /his/\nfucking retard. this is the last time i reply to your shit thread."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nI'm a hindu"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nUmayyad bro?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Bump for atheist/agnostic gang"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDang Christians are ahead by one"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Hey OP just letting you know that I picked other only because esoteric hitlerist was not on the list"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI guess you could say that's pagan. Pagans worshiped the emperor as a god so"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBased take"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Who's the other Hindu?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nArjuna the Baptist"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThat's unaryan of you arjun"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>>12\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIU-7ZesjTU [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndamn who this hotty"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nGood morning sir"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">that one guy who voted Jewish\nI kekd"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\ni'm muslim agnostic"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nThanks sir\n\nhttps://youtu.be/ezKWPd9rH0M [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nThere's a few here."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Christbros in ascendency"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndevout follower of SOL INVICTVS so i voted as pagan."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">Christians and atheists are the majority and are evenly split\nExplains so much about this board"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nHail!"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Why is atheist/agnostic the same category? Either split them or just rename them as irreligious"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nSounds less negative"}, {"id": 28, "content": "the percentage of underaged on this board is equal to the percentage of paganlarpers and half the percentage of atheist"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nSame religion different name."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nbased"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nYou don't even know what religion is."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nAtheism isn't a religion. Religions are a set of rules and practices in the pursuit of piety."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nStatistically Christian youth experience a massive dropoff after or during college so I'm going with the exact opposite of your post. There's been tons of studies on this even conducted by churches themselves who don't like reporting bad news but the numbers are atrociously bad, it's somewhere between 50-80% of Christian youth not making it past 25.\nhttps://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/are-young-people-really-leaving-christianity/"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>>32\nAtheism is a religion\n>>33\nMany more stay in believing churches especially the best believing churches."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nDefine religion."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nI'm not American. In my cunt people usually find god as they grow older"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>26\nthere isn't really much difference imo. I refer to myself as an agnostic atheist."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nwait, can I find god in your cunt? Is it Ishtar?"}, {"id": 39, "content": "I can't take the poll because I use a privacy browser. Add 1 to the atheist/agnostic number for me"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nThe pursuit of gods."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nWhat gods do atheists and agnostics pursue?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Atheist+Agnostic\nDon't try to lump us in with those fedora tipping faggots"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>2\nThere is this annyoing Paki, British muslim that makes threads weekly"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nresults, 76 voters"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nThanks"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>3\northo christianity is the only real one lets be real about it my nigger"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nCringe go back to discord"}, {"id": 48, "content": "Makes me happy to see that followers of Christ are outpacing the fedoras. Still far too many atheists on here though."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nChristmutts inflating the numbers, no way that many people post here"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Voting in incognito mode is not allowed. Please disable incognito mode and try again.\n\n\nmiss me with that gay shit"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nWhen will fedoras ever learn, imma right?\nThe stepfather, the stepson, the holy cuckerino. Amen"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>the holy cucker-ACK"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhis is mostly atheist"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni expected more muzzies and kikes"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nNope, Christbros win"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm sufi muslim."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>48\nDo you count them as Christians if they follow different denominations then you?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Wait... moors weren't BLACK?????"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust go to Morocco"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if I told you that the Moors weren't am ethnic group?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Abd al-Rahman was thus nephew in the half-blood of queen Toda of Pamplona. He is described as having \"white skin, blue eyes and attractive face; good looking, although somewhat sturdy and stout. His legs were short, to the point that the stirrups of his saddle were mounted just one palm under it. When mounted, he looked tall, but on his feet he was quite short. He dyed his beard black.\"[17] His natural hair was described as being reddish-blond, and he apparently wished to avoid looking like a Visigoth (from many European concubines in his ancestry), desiring to look more like an Umayyad Arab.\nDescription of the guy who founded the cordoba caliphate where the islamic golden age peaked"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Black ones were specifically referred to as ‘Blackamoors’ and considered exotic even in Islamic Spain"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither were Mamelukes."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAndalusian commoners plot half way between Southrons and Arabs. Andalusian elites are on average slightly whiter due to the fact that they had an easy access to White women and Iberian women."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Pretty sure Moors are just freed slaves, but were often black"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are your experiences with Saint intercession? Can be Christian or Shia Islam."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBefore the start of the procession well-known rabbis eulogized Goldstein and commended the murder. Rabbi Israel Ariel, for example, said: \"The holy martyr, Baruch Goldstein, is from now on our intercessor in heaven. Goldstein did not act as an individual; he heard the cry of the land of Israel, which is being stolen from us day after day by the Muslims. He acted to relieve that cry of the land!\" Toward the end of his eulogy Rabbi Ariel added: \"The Jews will inherit the land not by any peace agreement but only by shedding blood.\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot a Christian but Intercession is something that never sat right with me. I can understand when people say 'It's like asking a friend to pray for you', but then why do people venerate them so highly? It's one thing asking for someone's prayer and it's another hanging up their photo and lighting candles in their name"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>but then why do people venerate them so highly?\nBecaue they are examples of the best things humanity is capacle of in spiritual matters\n\nThe two things you mentioned, intercession and veneration, are in fact, two distinct and separate things.\nSaints are relied on for intercessions, which is only about asking help to improve the quality of the prayer itself, to better pray to God\nSaints are venerated as examples of human holiness to take example from for one own sanctification towards God"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPaganism and idolatry."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I've been asking Mary for a PS5 everyday ever since it came out and it hasn't worked."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou will get a PS5 after death if you act like a cuck faggot in this life."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThat seems alright but how does intercession work practically? I remember in Don Quixote they give the Moorish girl a picture of Mary and tell her that praying to that image is the same as praying to Mary herself, but I feel involving Icons and imagery directly in prayer is only a stone's throw away from idolatry"}, {"id": 9, "content": "One of the other tragic things about praying to the saints and to Mary is that it strikes a blow against the gracious character of God and Christ. The idea is that God is very tough and wrathful. He’s somewhat transcendent rather than imminent. You don’t really want to go directly to God, which flies in the face of what Scripture says. Scripture teaches that God is compassionate and marked by loving-kindness. He shows mercy to thousands, is tender-hearted, and weeps through the eyes of Jeremiah. The same would be true of Christ.\n\nThe idea is that you don’t want to go directly to God because He’s preoccupied, somewhat indifferent, and transcendent. You also don’t really want to go to Jesus because He can be pretty tough as well. However, Jesus can’t resist His mother, and God can’t resist Jesus, so that’s the chain. You go to Mary because Mary can soften up Jesus and then Jesus can take it to the Father. That whole idea is an assault on the saving nature of God, who is by nature a Savior and full of compassion and mercy toward sinners. He can be pled with directly, and this layering assumes that God is less than gracious, merciful, kind, compassionate, and sympathetic to the sinner. It is a blow against His nature and the nature of Christ as well."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSunni Ash'ari here. I do intercession through the prophet Muhammad. Btw basically no one called it idolatry before wahhabism began in the 1700s"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIbn taymiyyah??"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nIbn Taymiyya thought asking the dead for intercession was haram but he did not think it was inherently shirk. The idea that it's always shirk is an innovation of Wahhabism. Yasir Qadhi has a very good lecture on this."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nhe called it haram/bid'ah but not necessarily shirk"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nO Allah, I ask of You and I turn my face towards You by virtue of the intercession of Muhammad the Prophet of mercy. O Muhammad, I have turned to my Lord by virtue of your intercession concerning this need of mine so that it may be met. O Allah, accept his intercession concerning me"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nFrom Ibn Majah (Sunni source)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hundreds of thousands of people died over what christian denomination is the right one"}, {"id": 2, "content": "False"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>comes in\n>gives one word answer\n>no explanation why\n>calls everyone who questions him gay\n>leaves\nWHY IS DIRK ALWAYS LIKE THIS"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Humans like to fight over things. Secular governments have killed way more people for economic and political gain than organized religion.\n\nScience has given us the ability to destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust in addition to providing humans with a large host of horrific weapons.\n\nMany fedoras want to ban/eliminate faith, because, according to them it produces discord, however, they ignore the discord caused by secular movements such as Marxism, Nazism, Capitalism, etc and the dangerous tools provided by science.\n\nUsing fedora logic perhaps science and government should also be banned since they cause so much suffering and discord."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nI guess the Thirty Years' War never happened then"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe European wars of religion were not conflicts over a right denomination"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War\nIs there a single thing you vile tripfag will not be wrong about?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nYou realise you can be secular without resorting to retarded ideologies like nazism and communism?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>While most modern commentators accept that differences over religion and Imperial authority were important factors in causing the war, they argue its scope and extent were driven by the contest for European dominance between Habsburg-ruled Spain and Austria, and the French House of Bourbon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThe ruling class has always fought to extend it's political influence, but you cannot deny that most of the common folk and soldiers participated in active genocide over the dumbest of reasons - religion being a very prominent one"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>most modern commentators accept that differences over religion and Imperial authority were important factors in causing the war\nAre you alright? Do they still teach basic reading skills in Sunday school?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Is there any actual evidence that Europe was more violent than contemporary India, China or the the Middle East in the same period? Has anyone done the numbers?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrthodox killing 100,000s of Orthodox now. 2022-23"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nI have, Europe was better"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n\"differences in religion\" is not a christian jihad\nIt's a war of religion with religion as a pretense for the usual political strife"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nI always assumed medieval China would be ON AVERAGE more peaceful than medieval Europe because China was usually (not always) united, so if there wasn't a civil war going on then the only people who had to worry were those on the barbarian-plagued fringes of the empire, whereas Europe was always divided among various relatively small polities. But honestly I'm talking out of my ass.\n\n>>14\nProofs?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey would have died anyway, except for something retarded like having too much salt in their diet."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nSo, Christian jihad."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nYou're right. Millions died."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nExplain the Hussite wars, chud."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWars over the true practice of the church, starting with communion in both kinds, not wars over competing denominations as which is right\n\nWhy are you people so inclined to hold to these bizarre oversimplified readings of historical and humanities concepts against the prevailing academic consensus?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nBased Dirk\n>>5\nThey fought for the gospel of the Lord, not the name on a church door"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>12\nContemporary India was essentially Manifest Destiny for the Mughals: thirst for unlimited expansion"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe are talking about at least millions of people."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>6\n>no physical evidence of the Hussite wars"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd hundreds of thousands of people died over building too many metal boats. If you completely ignore the political and social context behind things, they can seem fairly absurd."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\n>It's a war of religion with religion as a pretense for the usual political strife\nThis, even fucking Dirk understands."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod forbid we fight for things that aren't material goods."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which one of these dudes would be the most powerful in a 1v1 fist fight and what are their personal stats? What are their stats as far as being leaders of a county? Please provide sources for all claims. Thank you.\n\n\nA pointless religion thread died for this, I checked before I posted."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">A pointless religion thread died for this, I checked before I posted.\nnoooo what about the heckin book of jacobrino diaclectic ecumenicarianism\n\nanyway\n>churchill\nfat alcoholic\n>hitler\nmeth addicted vegetarian\n>stalin\ncaucasian bandit\n\nif you can't figure it out from this you never will"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\n>>1 (OP)\n>Please provide sources for all claims"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou forgot\n>giga manlet, 5'5'' topkek\n>semi-paralyzed arm\n>limp\n>heavy smoker"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI guess I should have clarified. I was asking what their stats were in like numbers. I guess we don't know how much they could bench so just guess between 1-10 what Churchill's strength was for example. Would be good to have an idea of dexterity as well and also any record of how they performed in any fights that they had been in."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChurchil was a fat bloke\nHitler was the tallest\nStalin was a siberian criminal\nunsure but either way a match between those 3 would be kino"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhen are you going from? 1940? Their prime?\nChurchill used to be a proper soldier in Africa in the 19th century, so he was physically fit then, as was Hitler in WW1.\nBy the war they were all either tweaking, bloated wrecks, or so paranoid they had heart problems."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhen are you going from? 1940? Their prime?\nI was thinking 1940 originally but in their prime is better actually now that you've asked."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFinally a good history based thread on this board\n\nStats: hp, mp, atk, def, spd\n\nChurchill\nHP +++\nMP ++\nATK ++\nDEF ++\nSPD +\n\nHitler\nHP ++\nMP +++\nATK +++\nDEF +\nSPD +++\n\nStalin\nHP +++\nMP +\nATK ++\nDEF +++\nSPD +\n\nAverage Churchill vs Speedster Hitler vs Tank Stalin"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nInteresting. How did you come to these conclusions?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>mana points\n\nare they casting spells? that changes the whole dynamic"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI thought that was mobility points. I mean, I guess they COULD be casting spells but I don't want to have to define a magic system, that's a lot of work. We're still waiting on people to say what their stats were as leaders of countries and shit at this point."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOf course Churchill would win. How is this even a question?\n>formally trained soldier\n>athlete in his younger days\n>proficient in all military weapons of their shared time, including martial weapons (swords, lances)\n>literally stabbed niggers with a sword the Sudan when he wasn’t pistol whipping them.\n>explosive brute strength and speed advantage from the Anglo World Conqueror’s Diet of corned beef and booze.\nWho is he competing against? A shrivelled up tweaking vegan, and a binge eating no gunz glutton faggot who never lifted, both of whom Churchill outlived. It’s so obvious."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI’m giving Churchill\nStr: 16\nCon: 20\nDex: 14\nInt: 18\nWis: 9\nCha: 16\n\nStalin\nStr: 10\nCon: 14\nDex: 14\nInt: 18\nWis: 13\nCha: 9\n\nHitler\nStr: 8\nCons: 8\nDex: 14\nInt: 14\nWis: 6\nCha: 20\n\nI think this is a fair assessment."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>the Anglo World Conqueror’s Diet of corned beef and booze"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nNot saying I agree or don't but what made you assign them those stats? I'm asking for receipts and shit."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nChurchill has a background in sports, and military training so his strength would be higher for the rigours of combat. His constitution I put at 20 because even with his extremely unhealthy lifestyle he died in his sleep, 90 years old. His intelligence I pegged that high on account of his elephant like memory, his understanding of constitutional law, and oratory/writing skills. Wis is his dump stat because he battled with crippling depression his whole life, and made several questionable judgements like trusting the USA’s malicious postwar intentions (not being able to understand the USA wasn’t an Anglo-Saxon country anymore against all evidence to the contrary). Cha is good, but not the best. He was not first pick for PM and he was booted out in the postwar election.\n\nStalin: his strength is so so. He never really did any real hard labour in his life, and then he pushed papers afterward. His con is ok as well. Hardy enough to survive childhood diseases, but he still died from a heart attack in his 70’s. Dex is alright. He had to be fast and nimble enough as a bandit to escape the cops. Intelligence is very high since he conned all sides and rose to the very top of the USSR. Cha is his weak point. He had no raw magnetism and relied on propaganda and terror to keep him in power. He instilled no loyalty and had to put down several coups. He was immediately disavowed by his successors.\n\nHitler: str and con are garbage. He was always sickly, even as a child, and his vegan diet compounded with meth made it worse. Dex is solid as well. He had to be a messager, and even late in life, he was nimble enough to evade several assassinations and even a bomb blast. Int is ok. He wasn’t an idiot, but he reached so many wrong conclusions and did not have the intellect to puzzle things out. Wis: I think that’s very obvious. Meth addict. Vegan. Murders close allies, betrays allies, delusions about reality, paranoid. Charisma? Triumph of the Will, nuff said."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThank you, Anon. This is exactly the sort of post I was hoping for. 10/10 read. What would you say about their abilities as statesmen?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nStalin put all his feat points into active abilities. They were good, but too situational. 5 year plan does great burst DPS but consumes too much resources to sustain. USSR collapse proves that while it seems like a strong build, crafting-wise, it’s fundamentally flawed and unbalanced, leaving you vulnerable to a good opponent.\n\nChurchill had a balanced build that emphasized passive buffs and sustain for the long game. Commonwealth and Banking Supremacy feats give stats that grow expotentially with time and can be called on at will every turn. All in all, the best best build desu.\n\nHitler’s build is a mess. A big, fat stinking mess. He point all his points into early match dominance, but with 0 sustain. Constant mana starvation and inability to use his most powerful skills and feats. A one trick pony build that’s too easily countered. Decked wiped by the 6th turn."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nHe put all his points*"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin and Hitler in joint first, Hitler lagging well behind"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>he goes into MTG terms towards the end\nwhat kinds of decks do you run bro?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nThe only way Churchill losses is if he fails a wisdom saving check against being charm-\n>FDR casts Cairo conference\n>Churchill rolls a 1, loses his turn explaining right to self-determination doesn’t apply to the British Empire\n>FDR cast Quebec Conference\n>Churchill is paralyzed, the secrets of atomic weapons are stolen!\nFucking enchanters man! Bullshit!"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOn his prime churchill would brutally mog those two. At an old age maybe Stailn."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nI am just killing time at work counting down last hour."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nMy bad, thought you were a fellow MTG player from some of the terms you were using. Hope my thread helped you get through your shift bro. Have a good weekend."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler was the tallest and the least crippled and was known for winning several fist fights in his army days, he also beat up a rival politican early in his career so I'd go with him winning.\n\nChurchill was a tough little nut though, he was a war veteran but he was also an obese alcoholic.\n\nStalin was a weak, fat alcoholic manlet cripple who just got others to do his dirty work for him, people claim he was a bank robber but he just organised the robbings.\n\nSo basically Hitler > Churchill > Stalin"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nTbh I did play MTG way back in the day, but I stopped after high school. It was a white deck with sera angels and soldiers. I liked it because of all the angel tiddy art.\nI tried mtg online recently. It was ok, but it just wasn’t the same."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Mussolini would beat the shit out of all of them"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt what point in their lives?\nin 1900\n>Churchill was stepping on the necks of Africans\n>Hitler was a wimpy teenager\n>Stalin was a street rat thug\nthe fight is a toss-up between Churchill and Stalin, Hitler is a non-contender\nin 1917\n>Churchill is a blundering officer\n>Hitler is a trenchrunning mustard-gas survivor\n>Stalin is forging signatures and networking\nHitler, no contest\nin 1941\n>Churchill has amassed as much girth as Goering, and has liquid courage to boot\n>Hitler can't eat meat because it makes him fart too much\n>Stalin tells other people to do the fighting for him while he eats roast turducken\n\"I'm sure to win because my speed is superior\""}, {"id": 31, "content": "No FDR option?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndepends on the year desu\n1940: hitler>stalin>churchill\n1945 stalin, but i don't know if the obese alcoholic who had half a fifth for breakfast would win against the drug addicted vegan"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>spoilt only child with a heart disease who's dead before the war even ended\ndead last regardless of the year"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nnigga couldn't beat polio and you expect him to beat hitler????"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fat alcholic angloid\nvs\n>autistic druggie germoid\nvs\n>psychopath bankrobber georgian"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKeep in mind that Stalin should get a defense buss to any attacks aimed below the waste. They'd be intercepted by Roosevelt as he sucks Stalin's cock."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler can use his hatred stare to crush his enemies from a distance.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i__ztikjTok&ab_channel=MalumVir [Embed]"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>Keep in mind that Stalin should get a defense buss"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nI meant buff but I suppose buss work well enough, Freudian split as it is, as well considering the context."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\nHis legs might not have worked but his balls definitely did, unlike the Hun. I bet $50 American FDR Sac-taps lil' Addy on his fucking Chaplin 'stasche, possibly after rolling over his feet with his wheelchair"}, {"id": 41, "content": "Surprisingly decent thread"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nI think he meant defense bussy"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nFDR definitely mogs them all in terms of looks"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>34\nHe’s American, wdym “how”\nPicrel"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>13\nI'd like to see Churchill sumo wrestle Taft instead."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's worth noting that despite his below average health, Churchill has a weight advantage of 50 pounds over the other two. While it wouldn't be as dramatic as the STR vs. DEX webm where the fat guy is just throwing the skinny one around without breaking a sweat, this advantage is so obscenely massive that only an experienced fighter could properly beat him. And no, what you learned in German basic training or what you picked up in the occasional street fight in Georgia wouldn't be enough experience. Unless one of these guys has a secret background in wrestling or boxing I don't know about, Churchill has a slight edge. Hitler probably is the best pound for pound fighter though, since his conditioning was probably amazing compared to the others given his background in WW1. If Hitler was cagey at the beginning of the fight, he could potentially outlast Churchill until the fat fuck had a heart attack. So the chances are 50:30:20 Churchill:Hitler:Stalin."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Based or cringe? Discuss please."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Meritocracy is always based"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i don't know enough about how effective they were in practice but in theory meritocratic government is based\n\nin reality i was probably just nepotism with extra steps as nobles kids were taught to read and write and peasants weren't"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Generally a good idea but frequently implemented by the chunks in an autistic manner that neuters its benefit to the broader civilization.\n\nChang civil service pupils were learning how to paint a full calligraphic version of the Confucian Analects with their toes backwards in the dark while blindfolded while Eurangutangs were figuring out steam engines and repeating rifles"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt still filters out retarded/lazy nobles"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Wouldn't be better to implement those for the people that want to be part of modern day government, or at least in the public sector?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou need degrees for those jobs, which is the same thing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nPROTIP: In democracies you only get to elect leaders. That guy however, is guided/bossed/bullied around by career civil servants, who DO indeed have to pass a civil service exam and are university/law degree graduates."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nAny attempt to measure the God-given talents of blessed individuals is fruitless.\nTo place a false measure and call it merit is delirium."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a good idea, but it could've been a lot better if the exam wasn't limited to mostly Confucian philosophy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nif it was such a good idea, why was a country with a billion population so absolutely worthless in academic, scientific, philosophical terms both historically and currently?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>Chang civil service pupils were learning how to paint a full calligraphic version of the Confucian Analects with their toes backwards in the dark while blindfolded while Eurangutangs were figuring out steam engines and repeating rifles\n\nA popular misconception. Memorizing/Knowing Confucian philosophy is just for the entry level exams (i.e. the exams that foreigners/Plebs were allowed to see.) a.k.a the county level exams. And that was meant to ensure that you're literate and versed in the basics of the realm's governing philosophy. Passing the county level exams only means you're allowed to hold county-level posts OR serve in the county bureaucracy. Its nice if you're working for a city-government (whose posts were jealously guarded) but kinda bleagh if you're just some podunk official handling 3 villages. Like some AmeriAnglo town councilman lmao.\n\nIf you want to aspire to work in provincial or empire-level posts/bureaucracy, you got your ass into an Academy and prepare for Provincial/National/Imperial Court examinations. Here you'd be studying administration, diplomacy, & history more as the exam questions will be about practical governing matters."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nProbably because your opinion and meme knowledge of Chinese history."}, {"id": 14, "content": "It was a good idea but only 1% could pass then even if they studied as hard as possible so basically they were too hard. A better model than india though.\nMeanwhile europeans we're figuring out steam engines."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nIt doesn't. They just find other ways to get into positions of power."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nNah, it did. The sucky part is the bureaucrats became the aristocracy."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nThe tests is about how well they can recite and wank about their version of the Quran. Hardly meritocratic"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nYou can cope all you want, we have actual Qing test banks and they're all Confucian wankery and hardly any practical shit. The real life result of the Chink empire being held down for centuries, culminating in the century of humilation and Chinese intellectuals and reformers unamiously adopting western style education and sciences instead of saving it speak volume to how worthless it was\n\nI would love it if China had more retards like you who want to bring that ridiculous exam back. Would set China back a few centuries again. Even the Marxist brainrot is better"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nLMFAO you think degrees all weigh the same and people are on an equivalent playing field for government jobs?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>we have actual Qing test banks\nWhich you didn't read. If you did you'd know that the questions asked in National Exams =/= County Level exams."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nExplains how Chinese become so backward and militarily weak if the tests were so effective then"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\ncenturies of rule by Autistic test takers does that to you. There is probably a genetic selection effect that results in the inherent autism of the Chinese which explains the lack of innovation."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the United States referred to as a melting pot?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate chinese people"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It was mutted from the beginning but the mexcrement invasion was the final nail in the coffin"}, {"id": 4, "content": "white and asian is like mixing peanut butter and jelly, white and anything else is like mixing peanutbutter and shit"}, {"id": 5, "content": "He has terrible taste in women lmao."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nMutt"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I'd say it's more like the salad bowl comparison that people like to use for countries like Canada. Separate ingredients, but used in the same dish. A melting pot would indicate that everyone got mixed into the same globohomo stuff, and while this is partially the case as a lot of American culture is exported to the rest of the world, we still don't all get along with each other. And not everyone is as mixed as it seems.\n\nEspecially where I live, its like everyone has there own section of town, even if it's not segregated officially. The African Americans live in the eastern part of the city near the old industrial areas, the European Americans live in the north and south areas of my city as well as near the lake,/rural surrounding areas, and there is a smaller segment of Latin Americans living in the western area of the city near the airport.\n\nAnd even within those broaders groups people don't necessarily get along. The heavily Irish and Italian descendants are mostly centered in states like New York or Massachuesetts, but the ones down south that I have to deal with are insufferable. I'm mostly British by descent and I hate the Irish descended fuckers that I have to work with to the core. We keep to our side of things and they keep to theirs. And they have a few different traditions and everything compared to my family/our traditions."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSame where I live. My girlfriend and I are English-American as well. Cheers bro."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Everyone is always mad at white women for racemixing but most of the racemixing I see comes from white men. To make it worse, they continue to bitch about white women after getting married to a non-white woman. They’re rarely called out"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe U.S. was at its best a salad bowl.\nArgentina and brazil are the true melting pots."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>Especially where I live, its like everyone has there own section of town, even if it's not segregated officially. The African Americans live in the eastern part of the city near the old industrial areas, the European Americans live in the north and south areas of my city as well as near the lake,/rural surrounding areas, and there is a smaller segment of Latin Americans living in the western area of the city near the airport.\n\nWhy are race wars so common in America?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jewish playwright Israel Zangwill and the Jewish poet Emma Lazarus (who wrote the poem that goes \"bring me your huddled masses\" etc. that is affixed to the statue of liberty) were the foremost popularizers of this concept.\n\nBoth of them were die-hard Jewish nationalists who advocated for a sovereign Jewish ethno-state, by the way."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>all the apples are rotten, maggot-filled\n>\"wtf but you're eating oranges instead of the apples you hypocrite\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nGo fuck your shitskin wife"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Like Rome, it doesn't matter as long as the people are civilized. I'd rather live next to a quiet and respectful Chink than white trash.\nJoggers are universally bad."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically because of a play by British Jew Israel Zangwill who was fascinated by the multiculturalism of the United States."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nshes ugly, 3/10"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\n>white and asian is like mixing peanut butter and jelly\nagree"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nIt rebelled because it was a melting pot, it was recognised as a melting pot from the start, and it's celebrated as a melting pot today. The US was, is and shall always be a melting pot."}, {"id": 20, "content": "It took many different ethnicities across the centuries and turned them into bbq and baseball"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>english, scottish, irish, french, german, dutch\n>british, indian, chinese, african, jewish, slav\nthese are clearly the same thing"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\nThis is true for all races. Men are the biggest racemixers while women usually stay with their own race because they like comfort."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis has to be fake, right? couldn't he at least have picked a nice looking gook/ that looks like one straight from the jungles of Malaysia instead of a japanese/chinese waifu."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>ooga booga SEAmonkeys look better than east asians"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nShe does look good though, you are just being a fag and think every girl needs to be a supermodel. nah nigga she looks fine"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nHe's clearly punching down.\nBut I'd prefer a 6/10 who genuinely loves mw than a 10/10."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe seems gay"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>12\nwhy are people pretending this isn't the answer. is this whole thread jdf?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\nYou will never have sex with a Japanese woman."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\nIt's not that people in my city are in a race war. We just have different areas that generally keep to themselves. The city I live in is actually relatively peaceful by most standards. I would say that's mainly because it doesn't have as much poverty and isn't as diverse as cities like New York. Plus most of our minorities are already assimilated by the time they reach here, and even then most of the people who do move here just come from other counties in my state or other states as opposed to other countries. A lot of the rural counties in my state are losing people to the cities like mine though, sadly."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\nthe saddest cope ive seen to date"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\nYou disagree?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nI don't even know anymore.\nCould well be that there's a few Jews in here, given the racemix propaganda.\nBut ten years ago, when I got redpilled, I thought everything would be really easy, I just have to show people the facts and everyone with a triple digit IQ will quickly see that I'm right about most points and recognize the threat of Judaism.\nObviously that didn't happen. It's like people are under a magic spell or something."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif you want more white people just make polygamy legal for white men so they can bleach everyone. Men are much efficient than women at spreading their genes, they can impregnate hundreds of women at once while a woman can only carry the child of 1 man"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>7\neveryone in america is adjective-american. That wouldn't be the case if it was a melting pot, like you said. The only real adjective-canadian identity is french-canadian."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>11\nself segregation is natural, they didn't need those laws in the first place, people keep to their own. however americas regions where settled by different types or brit initially, southerners happened to be mostly aristocratic and wanabee aristocrats, the american blacks take after how they used to be. All that \"We Wuz Kangs\" bullshit while not knowing of or acting much like the Africans their ancestors came from, claiming the most famous people associated with the continent as their own, not caring to know much aside from what helps self aggrandizement even if false."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>11\n>Why are race wars so common in America?\nMost men, especially white men feel threatened by black men and their propensity to muh dik other races of women."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>It's like people are under a magic spell or something.\nemotional manipulation, you're effectively trying to convince people that their religion is wrong and they should become atheists. No one thinks entirely logically, not even the intelligent, people that think they do, mostly dont."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts meant to trick the naive european descent retards on it into killing themselves genetically"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nNo blacks are racially hostile lunatics they are violent towards any non black racial group in the US for no explained reason thats why blacks were singled and hated throughout post slavery american history"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI saw in /sp/ that it was determined the guy is a manlet, like 1.72,"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>seething so hard he's getting mid tier manko they invent reasons he's n-not actually that hot\nlmao"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>No blacks are racially hostile lunatics they are violent towards any non black racial group\nonly towards males of non black racial groups, black males are textbook racemixers"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>29\nYou will never be a superior race"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "recently i was reading some articles on the internet about moses, and in one of those articles, i saw a paragraph saying that the \"Artapan of Alexandria \" said that Moses was recognized as \"Hermes\". I had a doubt, would Moses have any relationship with Hermes Trismegistus?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnah, Moises had Herpes, anon."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He hated his jewish brothers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\n>>unknown (OP)\nZionist tells other people to be non nationalist ayy lmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nCommenting on quotes from old dead people isn't very history based as discussion"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1\n>>2\n>>3\nGive me 1 answer without dabbling in schizophrenic conspiracy theories, da joos & fake quotes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI mean it's pretty incontrovertible that Einstein was a Zionist (i.e. Jewish nationalist), he was even offered Israeli presidency at one point but declined out of humility. I have nothing against the Jews and appreciate their high-achieving culture but if they get to have an autonomous zone of their own then so do I and my people"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIt's not that complicated, German nationalism had a direct negative effect on him. He probably wouldn't care nearly as much if he wasn't Jewish himself."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>but if they get to have an autonomous zone of their own then so do I and my people\nYou won't achieve this\nby thinking this\n>I have nothing against the Jews"}, {"id": 8, "content": "socialists and socialist minded individuals hate nationalism as they have always strived for some sort of global initiative like the European Union to lord over all and dictate right from wrong using \"the le science\". The is why the politics of somebody like Einstein, who has zero political or historical background is next to irrelevant, except for as a reference for what somebody of his stature thought despite being wholly uniformed. A zeitgeist as you will\n\n\nWhat isn't put in that quote, for good reason, is he also said \"I support Zionism, Jewish nationalism however.\" This is why you should never believe these cherrypicked quote jpegs from google, because they're often ignoring heaps of context (which is also a leftist propaganda tactic).\n\nSpecifically the quote in OP is if he identified as a german or a Jew, and he replied both, and that nationalism was an infantile disease. How appropriate for him, a Jew, to say something like this, while also saying in the same breath he only supports Jewish nationalism"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">Long before the emergence of Hitler I made the cause of Zionism mine because through it I saw a means of correcting a flagrant wrong....The Jewish people alone has for centuries been in the anomalous position of being victimized and hounded as a people, though bereft of all the rights and protections which even the smallest people normally has...Zionism offered the means of ending this discrimination. Through the return to the land to which they were bound by close historic ties...Jews sought to abolish their pariah status among peoples... The advent of Hitler underscored with a savage logic all the disastrous implications contained in the abnormal situation in which Jews found themselves. Millions of Jews perished... because there was no spot on the globe where they could find sanctuary...The Jewish survivors demand the right to dwell amid brothers, on the ancient soil of their fathers.\" —Letter to Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India, June 13, 1947"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>When President Harry Truman recognized Israel in May 1948, Einstein declared it \"the fulfillment of our (Jewish) dreams.\"[42] Einstein also supported vice president Henry Wallace’s Progressive Party during the 1948 Presidential election which also advocated a pro-Soviet and pro-Israel foreign policy.[43]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nAlso interestingly he says \"values, traditions, ethnicities and emotion all matter, and that's why nationalism is a thing.\"\n\nSo is Einstein saying individual cultures and values are infantile?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nOr that only Jewish values and culture is important?\n\nIntelligence doesn't make anyone any less hypocritical apparently"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nIt's more history than your lying infographics."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>literally proven this thread the quote is massively out of context"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nnationalism only exists to justify why your masters deserve to own resources more than other masters\n\nits no different from tribalism or any other us-them dichotomy, and just like tribes, the natural course of all nations is to consolidate (out of practicality and necessity) and become bigger nations until finally there's only one nation"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nExcept Einstein admits nationalism is just an extension of local culture, but the only culture that matters is jewish culture to him"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nsource?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nIf so, why is the number of countries actually increasing, rather than decreasing? And so rapidly, at that? In fact it seems like the dismantlement of european empires coincided with the end of nationalism."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nbecause its a convenient control mechanism to the western neo-liberals that run the world"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nlook up the interview"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nhere's the interview, just clip me the part you're referring to\nhttps://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/what_life_means_to_einstein.pdf"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nthe term \"racist\" was not originally derogatory, and it was not coined by Trotsky"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHe signed pro-Zionist documents and bequeathed a ton of his stuff to Israel so it was clearly a case of \"rules for thee but not for me\"."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nYou are probably living in an autonomous state, and Israel has literally a mosque on their holiest site and plenty of muslims"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes I'm sure he'd be advocating for the elimination of Israel."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Kikes are always such hypocrites. It never fails."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nOf course the jew expresses his natural mode of being.\nA group of people with no home don't like the idea of others having one either."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>15\n\nWe live in real life not some fantasy world."}, {"id": 29, "content": "nation states are dumb and do not work.\n\nmulti-ethnic empires is where its at.\n\nSoviet Union > Russia, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Lithuania etc.\n\nMughal Empire > Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh\n\nOttoman Empire > Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Gulf states\n\nAustro-Hungarian Empire > Austria Hungary, Slavs\n\nYugoslavia > Yugoslavia divided into states used as pawns for larger powers\n\nthe nation state had been a disaster for mankind.\n\nWhether you are capitalist, communist, theocratic, monarchist we can all agree the nation state belongs in the rubbish bin of history"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nLOL excellent bait, here is your reply."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nNationalism is literally more radically utopian than communism. The underlying idea that all nation states would leave each other in harmony in their ethnic paradises in absence of co-operative, economic and institutional ties is complete fantasy and a contradictory attempt to gain peace from separation and atomized interest. Nationalism somehow combines loser resignation and idolization of selfishness (but respecting the others right to exist!!) into a mixture that can only end in a miserable failure."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>unknown\nsimply false, I invented racism\n\nmostly because I was bored"}, {"id": 33, "content": "Maybe Einkike also worked for the american agenda over europe"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\n>illiterate\nmany such cases"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>The underlying idea that all nation states would leave each other in harmony in their ethnic paradises in absence of co-operative, economic and institutional ties\n\nYOu just made up that shit to knock down."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThere's always the asinine rhetoric of \"I respect all race's right to exist - in their own country\", as if in the situation where this starting point would actually materialize there would not immediately be warfare and conquest upon the first inkling of resource scarcity, leading to the dreaded result of multi-ethnic, multicultural states."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>no trade or commerce can happen without some jewish central planners ruling everyone."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAt any time of difficulty, people can be diverted from revolting against the elites by having them conquer some other nation, and the society would be multicultural again. The idea of nation-states only sticking to commerce when all of history shows otherwise is at least as wild as communism. There should be, in consistent nationalism, some mechanism for preventing this from happening but oops, this would mean universal governance of some kind."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\nThe idea of a world consisting of\nmutually respecting, isolated, and free nations is just a modern concept by nationalists and probably only exists in reaction to globalism.\nHistorically, nationalists were much more realistic on how it would turn out and made it abundantly clear their intentions to dominate and destroy nations that aren't their own, however it was justified by social Darwinism and they never shied away from expressing their own sense of superiority."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>9\nWell they got a country of their own albeit one that survives purely on US State Department gibes and which is a mediocre shithole in a state of neverending war with Mudslimes and which doesn't even preserve the petite-bourgeois European Jewish culture he came up in but is dominated by chud Mizhraim meatheads."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>24\n>Israel isnt racist they have minorities . . .\n>. . .that they oppress and displace"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>22\nIt was derogatory, but it was invented by Richard Henry Pratt who was a US military man who used it to refer to anyone who thought that it was impossible for the Indians to be civilized in his residential schools."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>Jews should go and form their own country somewhere to escape violent nationalists\n>violent Jewish nationalists try to make you President of their new country\n>no not like that"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>4\nkill (you)rself"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>34\nso you were talking out of your ass then?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>28\nyes, we live in the real world where nations are vaguely defined lines drawn on a map"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\nThere's plenty of muslims in Israel proper too, it's not an ethnostate. As for racism, that happens everywhere, for example Americans are racist against Native Americans and have displaced them."}, {"id": 48, "content": "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28\n\npretty simple"}, {"id": 49, "content": "It's baffling how Einstein quotes feel more like commonplaces than XVIIth century aphorisms, yet the man knew more than anyone from that time"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nIsrael is what? 75% Jewish? The US hasnt been 75% white since the Dubya years."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\ncounter point"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nUS was never white in the first place"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nWell, even Sweden is 80% Swedish, if we're trying to consider the supposed hypocrisy of Israeli people supporting immigration while supposedly having an \"ethnostate\", which was what kickstarted the convo anyways."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nSweden used to be much less than 20% non-Swedish. This recent increase is not only unprecedented in recent Swedish history, it has also considerably burdened the Swedish state to the point where even people who didn't care about the massive immigration now acknowledge it."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nIt was more white than it is today."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nIts also wetter today outside than yesterday."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nStill more of an ethnostate than Israel"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nIt hasn't been getting for the last many decades with a projected continuation of what seems to be a flood within a couple more."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nLess than its neighbors are. Less than it would have been without mass migration. Some two faced people were involved in promoting it."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>39\nThat idea existed way before nationalism, which is a liberal invention. There were antiliberal imperialists and monarchists etc. before nationalism was even a thing, so maybe your ideology aligns more with those. Only downside is that in that case you need to become religious to get any sense of moral superiority when you need it."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>Less than its neighbors are.\nNot relevant\n>Less than it would have been without mass migration\nNot relevant to the supposed hypocrisy of an Israeli being pro-immigration while supposedly having an ethnostate."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>Not relevant\nYes, even Sweden isn't very relevant to this in the first place.\n\n>Not relevant to the supposed hypocrisy of an Israeli being pro-immigration while supposedly having an ethnostate.\nIs it correspondingly irrelevant for a non-Israeli of being pro-immigration to Israel?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>even Sweden isn't very relevant to this in the first place.\nIt is because nobody would call it an ethnostate despite Swedes making up higher proportion of its inhabitants than Jews of Israel's.\n>Is it correspondingly irrelevant for a non-Israeli if being pro-immigration to Israel\nIt's fine by me. But even as they have no immigration, they're far from an ethnostate, which was the original subject taken up."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>31\n>>39\nLmao look at these pseudo Aristotles over here. There has never been a single ideology with regards to politics that wasn’t spread either through violence or subterfuge. Unlike nationalism, the idea that communism and socialism MUST spread around the world by any means necessary has always been part of their creed."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>It is because nobody would call it an ethnostate despite Swedes making up higher proportion of its inhabitants than Jews of Israel's.\n>It's fine by me. But even as they have no immigration, they're far from an ethnostate, which was the original subject taken up.\nIn that case, what is and isn't an ethnostate isn't important. My observations start here >>47\nIn response I didn't oppose the notion of Israel not being an ethnostate. I haven't worded it as an opposition to that. But at the same time, this common notion of under 1/5th of Israel's population being Muslim and nearly 1/4th being non-Jewish in general seemed to not be a big deal especially in comparison to the US which is quickly reaching 1/2 being non-white levels. That is where my observation started. Looking higher up in the replies there is an argument going on between seemingly 2 fellows about autonomous zones which turns into ethnostates which turns into Israel having muslims. Too much burden here. The burden started either with the person who mentioned the ethnostate or who mentioned autonomous zones as a potential detraction from just talking about nations. Either way, if America built a symbolic Catholic church for hispanics or a basketball court for the blacks in exchange for 75% majority stake in the population, it would be an improvement with respect to the majority demographics. So Israel doesn't have much to complain in that regard."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\n>>65\nAnyway, I am off to bed. If you don't hear a response, its because I have to sleep."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>47\n>Continue annexing territory where Palestinians are living\n>Wtf why are there so many arapes living in Israel now???"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n\nOne word: Aliens."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNigga was a Zionist"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>58\n>invade non white lands\n>complain about nonwhites\nGet replaced, subhuman."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>hurr durr you can't do what literally everyone else has done\nseething third world faggot"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>24\nNazi germany also had a lot of jews in it. More than modern germany even."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nBecause it's a bit ugly (lead to a lot of shit in Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries, 1848 revolutions, failed revolts against the Russian Empire, succesful anti-Ottoman revolts, Serb/Croat conflict, Italian and German unification wars etc.) but seemingly also a precondition for successful liberal democratic states. Therefore it's something necessary to have while a state is young, but also something that should be \"grown out of\" once a state is established"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1\nMan it’s almost like Jews aren’t some hivemind boogeyman incapable of independent thought whose only goal is destroying whatever you think is good."}, {"id": 75, "content": "/his/ proving once again it's the discount version of /pol/ and a total waste of time.\n\nI cannot number the amount of times I've tried to find good content here but found, instead:\n\n- cheap provocations\n- dishonest posts\n- easily disproven posts\n- terribly opiniated garbage\n\nConsider committing sudoku. End your life."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nAre we wrong to call out his Jewish hypocrisy?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHe was a man who didn't understand the value of blood and soil nationalism and how that motivates people to work together to better themselves and the nations they are a part of. This was likely because he was a member of a religious/ethnic group that hadn't had a nation of it's own for nearly two millenia by that point."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>Hypocrisy is when you apply different standards based on circumstances\nJewish nationalism back then wasn’t the same as “Hurr durr le niggurz bad we must kick them out” it was the idea that there should be a sovereign jewish state. It’s almost completely unrelated to nationalism that exists in an already independent self-governing state."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nRight because creating a Jewish state in majority Arab land was totally going to work without genocide/ethnic cleansing, right?\nWe can't connect dots if that implies a Jew might be supporting something bad, nono"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nEinstein was around for the Nakba."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThat most of you \"people\" are soul sucking faggot fuel for nuclear energy and we need to convert you all into suicide machines."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNationalism is just a watered down version of tribal/clan affiliations and ultimately open the path to globohomoism."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>riddle me this\n>itt hits close to home\n>who demands open borders\n>but closes their own?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>3\nThe term predates Trotsky's birth by 20 years."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>51\nThey're both trash ideology though."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>71\n>everyone else has done it shitskin, that makes it okay!\n>NOOOO WTF THE JEWS ARE DOING IT JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THATS NOT OKAY\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>78\n>he's not a jewish racist! b-because he just isn't!\neat shit retard"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nThe word, not the term."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNationalism meant something much different back then.\nBack then nationalism meant Hitler, Mussolini, and Fascist/National Socialist hatred in general.\nIt meant irrational hatred of foreign or domestic peoples over random characteristics, it meant warmongering and irredentism, it meant starting horrific wars and butchering innocents.\nThat was the context of nationalism Einstein referred to.\n\nNot the modern day nationalism which means\n>let's not ruin our economy by taking in a million immigrants each year\nand\n>Perhaps we shouldn't get involved in random wars in countries our populous hasn't even heard of."}, {"id": 90, "content": "Nationalism in general is literally cope. It's taking credit for the actions of your \"ancestors\" as if you contributed in any way. You didn't help build your county, you didn't help develops arts, philosophy, culture or whatever gay shit, you didn't advance technology or science. You're a loser with a dead end job if you have one. Very, very vaguely somewhat closer to them genetically (which is probably not even the case) or speaking the same language doesn't change that"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>29\nWhy did literally all on your list balkanize into the nation states they are now."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nlots of projection in this post"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>86\nIts particularly because Einstein specifically said it was against Jewish nature to do this and was proven wrong (and also started out wrong if you ever read the bible)"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYou do realize Einstein witnessed the rise of Nazi germany, which he had to flee due to the persecution of jews in the '30's, and he lived to see Germany torn to rubble by the Nazis' apocalyptic drive for Empire.\nThat's what you fail to grasp."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nEasy to say when your people have no nation."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>70\nPre-invasion nonwhites =/= the bulk of current nonwhites."}, {"id": 97, "content": "I mean, don't act like you guys wouldn't try to put Trotsky to shame if you lived in Israel as goys. What reason, if any, would you have to support a nationalism that does not benefit you in any way? Nationalist at home, globalist abroad, that's the doctrine every sensible person subscribes to, even if they seldom say the quiet part out loud."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNationalism was a subversion of social structure starting with the American and French Revolutions. Power invested in people was given up in favor of the idea of a nation"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\ngood"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>9\nGreat, so when are they all going to relocate there?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>4\nEither supporting Israel wasn't doing a \"nationalism\" so I can do the same thing with my ethnic nation or he's selectively applying whatever principle he supposedly has behind that statement."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>98\nPower is still invested in people, those people are just scared to be under the spotlight and in the frontline of politics all the time, which is why professional politicians exists, to shield the people who really hold power"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>98\n>starting with\nNorman individualism in England. Empowering and educating the plebs is good but killing all aristocracy globally wasn't. One of the biggest elements in this that gave the plebs a sense of moral superiority was the crusade against slavery."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Talmud and subsequently Christianity is massively influenced and predated by Zoroastrianism\n>this includes foundational biblical subjects like Adam and Eve, original sin, and the nature of satan/hell\nWhat creative copes do orthodox Christcels have for this one? I don't remember the part of the Bible where God says anything about the Iranians"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTalmud and the earliest Zoroastrian texts post date Christianity's inception"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would say the epic of Gilgamesh is a bigger own imo"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Islam has more zoroastrian influence"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no zoroastrians texts until sassanid period\nnow get lost and go masturbate to Ali."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nPeople harp on about the perfidiousness of the \"\"\"Abrahamic\"\"\" religions when the truth is actually much darker, we're actually contending with Sumerian death cults here."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIf you read Herodotus, he never mentions Jews but speaks about Phonecians who circumcised themselves, cam from the Red Sea and started war with Persia"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>this includes foundational biblical subjects like Adam and Eve, original sin, and the nature of satan/hell\neither you elaborate on this or you are just shitposting"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>what is Erev Rav means\nHebrews were just one of the tribes among other tribes who migrated out of Egypt, thats why they are referred to as Erev Rav (which is \"Mixed among Multitudes\")\n>>6\n>>3\nDoesnt that prove a predecessor to or Judaism itself dates back to bronze age?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope\nTalmud is a reversed later copy of christianity,\nwhere everything christianity stands for is reversed in the jewish talmud\nthe jews were just coping and seething so hard at christianity they decided to be a specular image of it"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Hebrews were just one of the tribes among other tribes who migrated out of Egypt, thats why they are referred to as Erev Rav (which is \"Mixed among Multitudes\")\nHuh\n\n>Doesnt that prove a predecessor to or Judaism itself dates back to bronze age?\nProbably Hinduism\n\nThe Maitreya Purana has a similar flood story"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I don't remember the part of the Bible where God says anything about the Iranians\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/topics/persia"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWhere's the Moloch stuff"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nLet me be more specific: I don't see anything in the bible about Persians being the source for many of the supposedly divine inspirations in the bible"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nAvesta was written almost 1100 years before anything in the Jewish Bible/Old Testament or the Talmud, you dumb nigger."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nProve it"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nExplain how the carbon-dating of the Gathas are over 3000 years old when the Talmud wasn't written or started to be compiled until the mid/late 3rd century?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\n>Probably Hinduism\nas we see the \"le joos stole it\" people bring us even more unscientific historical hypothesis.\nBronze age mesopotamia and indus valley were separate civilisations."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>Huh\nso you accept you are an illiterate on Biblical subjects.\nI ask you again, what is Erev Rav."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nSource? Remember to show their inclusion of biblical elements"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhy are you moving the goal posts? First you claimed Zoroastrian texts are newer/more recent then the Christian and Jewish Bible, now your asking for \"inclusion\" of Biblical elements when Jews copied origin myths from non-Abrahamic cultures themselves, you dipshit.\n>source\nThe goat-skin used to write them was composed before 13th century BC. When was the Jewish Bible written again? Weird how it happens after release from Babylonian captivity AFTER the mid-6th century BC."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Why are you moving the goal posts?\nnot him but you are the one claimed da joos stole from zoropoojeets, red herring much?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Why are you moving the goal posts? First you claimed Zoroastrian texts are newer/more recent then the Christian and Jewish Bible, now your asking for \"inclusion\" of Biblical elements when Jews copied origin myths from non-Abrahamic cultures themselves, you dipshit.\nThat was the claim of OP buddy, you gonna back it up or not? I see no source."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>The goat-skin used to write them was composed before 13th century BC\noh you mean this?\n>The oldest surviving manuscript (K1)[n 1] of an Avestan language text is dated 1323 CE\nThis is like saying Zayit stone is a Biblical manuscript because it is in paleo-hebrew"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nNot what was said, you illiterate.\n>>23\nHow come the great flood was already a common origin myth in Mesopotamia thousands of years before the modern form of Judaism manifested? Why are there no real mention of angels or divine messengers or a heavenly salvation or God being a singular entity in Old Testament until contact with Persian Zoroastrians/Mazdakians? What about Lucifer/Satan's existence becoming much similar to Ahriman/Angra Mainyus from the Gathas and Avestas?\n>>24\nIf that's referring to the Yasnas which are directly linked to Zoroastrianism, then yes, because it has nothing to do with the lack of synchronicity between early \"Judaism\" and modern Rabbinical Judaism as far as theology is concerned."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>1323 CE\n>CE"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nSo you have no source and are unable to prove your claim, gotcha."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nThe jews are really pathetic with their attempts to deny reality"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThe source he's talking about are the Gathas which we have a copy of from are the original hymns written by Zoroaster himself, they are older then the first millennia BC. The article you linked is about fragments of the codified Zend-Avesta written in the late Sassanian Persian time in the 6th to 10th centuries AD."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>>28\nit says \"Avestan\" there aka thats the source OP is trying to use"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>Not what was said, you illiterate.\nahem>>1 (OP)\n>>Talmud and subsequently Christianity is massively influenced and predated by Zoroastrianism\n>>this includes foundational biblical subjects like Adam and Eve, original sin, and the nature of satan/hell\nyep, it reads like you said joos copied from zoropoojeeetastrians"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nSo you really are illiterate since Gathas are not ! = the Zend-Avesta. Might as well say the Suddhras = the Koran too then."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>24\n>In the 1990s, Russian archaeologists at Gonur Tepe, a Bronze Age site in Turkmenistan, discovered the remains of what they believed to be an early Zoroastrian fire temple. The temple dates to the second millennium B.C., making it the earliest known site associated with Zoroastrianism.\nlol"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nthat was the closest i could get\ndoesnt Gathas actually use Avestan language, if not what language does it use?\n>Suddhras = the Koran\ndid you mean surah? if yes, then yes surahs form the Koran"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>The temple dates to the second millennium B.C., making it the earliest known site associated with Zoroastrianism.\nagain, neither dates to 3000 BC and neither is a manuscript. This is like claiming a paleohebrew inscription is a Biblical manuscript."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nyou're not answering his question.\nThe question is, where is the stuff about Moloch in the Talmud verses you cited?\n\nIf you can't show us because the citations are fake (OH A CHRISTIAN POSTING FAJE BULLSHIT, WHAT A RARE AND SURPRISING EVENT) then stop posting that garbage.\n\nThere's enough offensive stuff actually in the Talmud to start ten pogroms, yet you Christards still manage to discredit legitimate criticism of Judaism by bringing up all this fake bullshit all the time."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't believe in atheist mythology. The true religion was influenced by God's word alone."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>13\nhttps://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5458336/The-Talmud/Sanhedrin/Chapter-7/Daf-64a\n\"MISHNA: One who gives of his offspring to Molekh, for which one is executed by stoning, is not liable unless he hands over his child to the priests of Molekh and passes the child through the fire. If he handed over the child to the priests of Molekh but did not pass him through the fire, or if he passed him through the fire but did not hand him over to the priests of Molekh, he is not liable, unless he hands the child over to the priests of Molekh and passes him through the fire.\"\nSo it's ok to sacrifice babies to Moloch as long as there's no fire, and it's ok to sacrifice babies with fire as long as it's not to Moloch."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\nThen you are a brainless idiot, senpai.\n>>35\nAgain: you are illiterate. The Gonur Tepe site is well known as the oldest Zoroastrian fire temple, which predates any known Abrahamic faith and there is:\n\na) no evidence pre-contact with Zoroastrian Persians that Jews/Israelites were uniformly monothesists (YHVH/Yahweh continually refers and acknowledges the existence of other gods)\nb) the gathas are a biography penned by Asto Zoroaster himself which pre-date any compliation of the Avesta/Zend-Avesta\nc) the sudden inclusion of heaven being a paradise, great flood, dualistic choice between good and evil, judgment day, always being a concept and theme in Zoroastrian/Mazdakian cosmology since the second millennia BC\nSo how is Judaism or any Abrahamic faith older? How about with Islam? Praying 5 times a day was always in Zoroastrianism, seems like Islam borrowed that. What about Al-Sirat, the bridge between the temporal and corporal worlds? That was borrowed by Judaism and Islam too.Or the concept that all the prophets of God (Ahura Mazda vs Allah) are incorruptible and divine manifestations of God's will? Seems like Abrahamics borrowed that concept as well."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nChristianity goes back to the garden of Eden idiot"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nis a fire temple of clear zoroastrian origin constructed between 2000 BC - 1600 BC, part of BMAC civilization which modern Indo-Iranians are descendend partially from anyways) not older then then anything attested to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism?\n>>40\nYeah and Andrew Tate is a good guy too."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\ndon't really know shit about Islam but the gathas are not directly part of the avesta/Zoroastrian \"bible\", avesta was written after Zoroaster and transmitted orally by his disciples then around the mede/achaemenid period they wrote it down, even if you date it to 6th-7th century BC, its still older than the old testament and the talmud wasn't even starting composing by the Jews until the 1st century BC and not completed till the 3rd century AD"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just feel like this is a very surface level \"I read a Wikipedia article and am now a subject matter expert\" take. Either elaborate on how exactly that is the case or I will not take you seriously. Nigger."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>18\n>le joos stole it\" people bring us even more unscientific historical hypothesis.\nYou're a-brahma (not a brahmin)\n\n>>19\nI don't know Hebrew, Jew, is that your point?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>38\n>>13\nI read the whole folio, and it's Rabbis arguing back and forth about small technical details of what constitutes idol worship and whether you should be held liable even for accidental acts of idol worship (see picrelated), what constitutes witchcraft, and what exactly is understood by the term \"passing through the fire of Molekh.\" The Rabbis all have different opinions about it, and some appear to be playing devil's advocate. The description in the Christfag's pic seems dishonest to me,"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>10\nAnyone with a basic understanding of Judaism can understand that this is made up. There is no way the Sanhedrin in the Talmud would contradict fundamental edicts of both Pre-diaspora Judaism and modern Judaism today. Keep this shit on /pol/"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>38\n>>unknown\nFucking shit, this is meme worthy"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nIt's literally direct quotation from the Talmud rabbi"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nThe Talmud is extensive back and forth arguing with Rabbis regarding the Halakha and what is considered a transgression in the Torah and what isn't. Debating and thinking is cherished in Judaism, something that ytepeepol don't do. Jews argue and debate while ytepeepol watch Judge Judy all day and don't spice they hungry meals"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nIt's the Mishna"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nTalmud = Mishnah + Gemara\n\n>>48\nit's taken out of context. They're arguing over technicalities as to who is liable to be executed when it's not clear whose blow actually killed him. It's a bit like the Trolley Problem.\n\nThe great irony is that the same Talmudic sages unanimously agree that you should not save the life of a non-Jew when he is drowning, which absolutely shows how wicked Judaism really is, yet you focus on nothing but meaningless dumb shit that you take out of context."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>16\nMultiple quotations of Zoroastrian liturgies have been found carved in stone dating to between 1000BC and 1AD indicating that the earliest strata of Zoroastrian texts are from around 1000BC. This matches up with comparing the language of the oldest strata of Zoroastrian texts to other Indo-Iranic languages.\n\nThe Talmud is a vast collection of commentaries on various texts, many of which predate Christianity (although many of them postdate it and the collection as a whole started in the 400sAD).\n\n>>42\n>>34\nThe Gathas are the core of the Yasnas. The Yasnas are the core Zoroastrian canon. The Gathas were written by Zoroaster, and the Liturgy In Seven Parts was written by him or his immediate disciples. Supposedly. Whether that's true or not is uncertain, but we know that they are very old, predating 600BC at latest."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJudaism existed for centuries before Zoroaster was born."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nyes, because Devil existed"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>43\nthis\n\nI'm the best Christian apologist on the board and have been aware of the influence of Zoroaster and Babylon on the Temple period Judaism for years now.\n\nLike, Persia features VERY prominently in the Old Testament and that is significant. OP would know this if he ever bothered to open the book.\n\nIt doesn't mean what he thinks it means, you could even make the argument the influence went the other way.\n\nClassic Dunning Krueger."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>\"Zoroastrianism influenced Yah's religion.\"\n\nWRONG. The Old Persian inscriptions written during the Exilic Period show that Zoroastrians were polytheistic(1). If the Judeans were influenced by Persian heathens they would worship several gods like them instead of YHWH. Furthermore, the Samaritans, who never left Israel nor were in contact with Persian heathens, are likewise monotheistic.\n\n(1)\n>Ahura Mazda bore me aid as did the other gods who exist. Darius the King declares: [And] on account of this Ahura Mazda bore [me] aid as did the other gods who are: because I was not hostile, I was not a follower of the Lie, I was not an evil man -- not I, not [any] of my family. In accordance with Truth did I behave. 65 Neither to the weak nor to the powerful did I do harm.\n- Darian Inscription DB IV\n\n--------------------------------------------------\n>\"Zoroastrianism is older than Yah's religion.\"\nWRONG. The Torah is TWO THOUSAND years older than the Zoroastrian Holy Book. The earliest biblical manuscript dates back to the 6th century BC(1) while the earliest Avesta manuscript only dates back to the 14th century AD(3).\n\n(2)\n>The resulting date gave a dating of 600 BCE, or just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. When the two scrolls were opened, the Priest Blessing was revealed in both of them; \"May YHWH bless you and keep you; may YHWH cause his face to shine upon you and grant you peac\" (Numbers 6:24-26).\n- Archaeology and the Biblical Record, Page 75\n\n(3)\n>The two oldest Yasna (J2, K5) and two oldest Videvdad (K1, L4) manuscripts with Zand were written by the same scribe in 1323 and 1323 and 1324, respectively. The oldest Khorde Avesta manuscript (Jm4) is from 1352. The oldest Yasht manuscript is F1 (1591), from which almost all the Yasht manuscripts are descended; those not from F1 are much later, but some are from side lines that contain important corrections to the text of F1.\n-The Oxford Handbook of Iranian History, Page 60"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nPraise Yahweh"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>The earliest biblical manuscript dates back to the 6th century BC\nNo it does not. There was definitely Yhwhism, but that probably comes from outside of the Levant first. The first evidence appears in Europe and the etymology is European."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>>The two oldest Yasna (J2, K5) and two oldest Videvdad (K1, L4) manuscripts with Zand were written by the same scribe in 1323 and 1323 and 1324, respectively. The oldest Khorde Avesta manuscript (Jm4) is from 1352. The oldest Yasht manuscript is F1 (1591), from which almost all the Yasht manuscripts are descended; those not from F1 are much later, but some are from side lines that contain important corrections to the text of F1.\nIf we use this logic then the Mishna, the entire concept of Halakha, Gematria, and all of neo-judaic rabbinicalism goes straight out the window."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nThat isn't how polytheism works."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>52\nAgreed though the point was there was a long considered retarded Western belief in scholarly circles and academia that Zoroastrianism only was as recent as a generation or two before Cyrus the Great founded the Achaemenid dynasty. The Gonur Tempe site and excavation also has a Zoroastrian Fire Temple that dates back to at least 2000BC-1600BC."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>7\n>>6\nThe Egyptian Medinet Habu inscriptions dating to roughly 1200 BC reference various members of the Sea Peoples responsible for the Bronze Age Collapse being circumcised, and what's unique about this is that it's not referring to the plausible Semites, but to the Greeks: Denyen (Danaan/Danaoi) and Ekwesh (Achaeans). Greeks were circumcised in 1200 BC, according to the Egyptians who captured their soldiers."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nPolytheism is the belief in the existence of several gods, Zoroastrianism holds that several gods exist aside from Ahura Mazda so it is indeed a pagan polytheistic religion unlike Judaism, Christiniaty, and Samaritanism."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nHenotheism also exists\n>Henotheism is the worship of a single, supreme god that does not deny the existence or possible existence of other deities."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>Polytheism is the belief in the existence of several gods.\nNo, its specifically the worship of more than one god, not the 'belief' in them. Also the early Achaemenid Persian rulers were shrewd diplomats as well as statesmen, Cyrus portrayed himself as a \"liberator\" of the Babylonians after he conquered Babylonia and took the capital city, restoring Marduk and other Babylonian Gods that the Chaldean dynasty neglected. That doesn't mean he actually was a follower of Babylonian religion.\n>Zoroastrianism holds that several gods exist\nIt does not. Mainstream orthodox Zoroastrianism holds the belief that Ahura Mazda is the singular God and that Ahriman is a evil spirit and all that is Good comes from Ahura and all that is bad comes from Ahriman. Even if you went with Zurvanism which was popular at points in the mid and late Sassanian period, there is still a point to a singular God and Ahriman is never referred to as a God, lower or upper capital G."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nIt does. As this inscription made by Zoroastrians shows, they worshipped countless gods: >>56 unlike the Israelites.\n\n>>65\nHenotheism is a just a variation of paganism. Ultimately Zoroastrianism does not claim that their God is only one who exists like genuine monotheists do, and they likely became henotheists under Jewish influence."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>As this inscription made by Zoroastrians\nNo, that's not an inscription by mobads or Zoroastrian clergies, that's a fucking political statement by Darius, you dimwhit.\n>variation of paganism\nIf you are this stupid and pedantic then we can go with the route Abrahamic faiths in totality (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) are pagans considering that was the viewpoint of mainstream Zoroastrians of them. Glad to get it resolved that you seem to conflate:\n\n>political statements and decrees by secular rulers\nwith\n>actual religious canon\nRetard"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nZoroastrians do not, by their own account, make a distinction between the worship owed to various entities. This is in comparison to Christians, who make a distinction between latria and dulia. Thus, according to Zoroastrians, they are actually polytheists. The term \"monotheism\" was invented to refer to Judaism, which holds that there is only one single supernatural entity (Yahweh). The Amesha Spentas, and the huge number of literal actual deities (like Mitra) alongside them, are Gods. Zoroastrianism is a polytheistic religion.\n\nThis is also why Zoroastrians argue that their religion is not \"dualistic\" btw."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nFalse premise, rooted in zero degree of awareness or knowledge. There is only one God, one spirit of Goodness, and one singular divination where a man's soul can be influenced to go to heaven. There is no acknowledge of other Gods in the Yasnas, Gathas, or Avesta unlike the Old and New Testaments for Jews and Christians. You have zero knowledge of what you are talking about. The ontology of the religion of Mazdasyna is that of a singular supreme being, i.e. one God."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>multiple entities that you can worship\nSo it's polytheism."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nSo then you agree Christians are pagans and filthy heathens for worshiping angels and the \"virgin\" Mary since you are presumably speaking out of your ass and calling the Amesh Spenta \"gods\" when they were angels? Good to know you are a fucking retard."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>christianity\nOnly one entity that you can worship. So, it's monotheism."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\n>>72\nBy your \"logic\" there is no monotheistic faith since Christians, Muslims, and Jews also worship angels. Good to know."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nNo, they do not. As stated, they make a distinction between the religious action owed to Yahweh (\"latria\") and that owed to other entities (\"dulia\"). Zoroastrians explicitly reject this idea.\n\nIf you wanted to argue that historically the vast majority of Abrahamics were no in fact monotheists, then yeah I'd totally assent to that. But the orthodox of these religions have always rejected the idea that you can worship angels (Islamic and Jewish theology makes this explicit, rejecting the idea of even being able to meaningfully interact with angels), and the VAST majority of people practicing Abrahamic religions not only do not worship angels, but don't even interact with them."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nSo then again: none of the Abrahamic faiths would quality as monotheistic since from here:\n>>70\nYou said and I will quote you: \"multiple entities that you can worship so its polytheism.\" Abrahamic faiths are not monotheistic then, you short-circuiting monkey-brained fuckhead. The Yazta are angels and the Amesha Spenta are the equivalent to their 'archangels'.\n>>74\nNope. You verbatim explicitly stated the \"worship of other entities\" as being polytheistic and Christians in particular have entire passages and catechisms devoted to worshiping the existence and purpose of angels in a not dissimilar way pagan polytheists would of their godly pantheons.\n\nAlso we both know you know nothing about actual Mazdian cosmology, eschatology, and theology so shut your mouth.There is both a 'finite' and 'infinite' time and Ahura Mazda/Ohrmazd is decreed as an infinite being with no equal. You have no knowledge or understanding of how ontaology in Zoroastrianism works. The thematic of the faith is Good always triumphs and therefore you cannot label your retarded inbreed assertions that there is acknowledgment of other Gods, simply because pre-Zoroastrian Iranian gods were coopted as angels, messengers, and spirits into its cosmology which is no different then Christians stealing concepts from Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, and other faiths."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is it so hard for leftists to accept that this country broke up internally not because \"MUH NATO\" or \"MUH CIA INTERVENTION\" but because their cherished multiculturalism doesn't work, is unnatural and in the end will always inevitably lead to conflict?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Nooooo! You can't say that it was da CIAz!!"}, {"id": 3, "content": "yugoslavia was one culture divided by religion\nall the languages are identical, the only difference is catholic croats, muslim bosnians, and orthodox serbs"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWasn't it mostly absorbed into the E.U. though which has open borders between member states? Maybe the E.U. will break up eventually and get absorbed into a big Eurasian Union in the future and you'll be posting on FutureChan saying something like \"well the E.U. failed because multiculturalism doesn't work\" as there's open borders from Lisbon to Beijing."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTito created 8 seperate nations for every nationality\nYour \"muh multiculturalism' cope is getting old"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nlanguage isn't culture"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nthe opposite of Spain and Italy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is it so hard for leftists to accept that this country broke up internally not because \"MUH NATO\" or \"MUH CIA INTERVENTION\" but because their cherished multiculturalism doesn't work, is unnatural and in the end will always inevitably lead to conflict?\n>leftist\n>implying that EU/NATO is not the side of communism/liberalism/international jew."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThis website literally proves you otherwise."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nThe religious difference is incidental, it happens that the tribes correspond to religions, but no one cared much about the religions themselves, the wars weren't fought over doctrinal issues. The other religions were simply seen as properties of the other tribes, who were conventional enemies."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean it's not the best example of what you're trying to prove.\n\nLook at Italy or Germany. Both countries include regions which are very different from eachother including languages/dialects which are more different from one another than Croatian/Serbian are (which is basically the same language).\n\nIt broke up cause of historical animosities yes but there were many factors for that not just cause \"multiculturalism failed\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nYou're an actual low IQ mouthbreathing retard. Try reading anything outside of /pol/"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">state formed on nationalist grounds falls apart into fratricidal civil war\n>truly, the left is to blame for this"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nFuck off NAFO shill."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat leftist are you quoting? some balkan leftist?\n\nthe rest of the world does not care about you, and the most powerful nation in the world, the US, is wayyyyy more multicultural than Yugoslavia or the USSR ever was"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nWhy would i support the neo nazi state of ukraine?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nlanguage isn't the only defining characteristic of a culture."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nmacedonian and slovenian are different languages from croatian/serbian\n\nmacedonian is more similar to bulgarian"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Muh leftists"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nThe EU is run by two countries since Brexit. We all know what its ultimate destiny is and it isn't a positive one."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe average american can't process basic fucking facts."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Guelph or Ghibelline?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "gibelines were the ones about divine rights of emperors amirite?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Salians did nothing wrong. The emperors were almost always on the side of God and justice, the popes were the ones trying to fuck shit up by starting shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHwæt?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>siding with earthly power over heavenly power\n>siding with the Germans that destroyed Roma and now make a mockery of it with their LARP\n>siding with foreign invaders over your native soil and blood\nEven if you have 100% Lombard DNA you are still a ginormous cuckold of the highest order."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI said: Guelph. Or. Ghibelline."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nStones in your ears?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck Frederick II and his Muslim bodyguards. Based Charles of Anjou did what needed to be done."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nI don't know what you're asking"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nare you backing the crips or the bloods nigga"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Ghibelline.\n\nThe Catholics were the worst thing that happened to northern Europe and the best thing that happened for the south. Effectively, tithes were being redistributed from more generous and hardworking areas and being granted to areas of arbitrary importance or most need- aka where people were less capable of building infrastructure on account of having no work ethic. Therefore the Catholic church acted as a funnel of money from Germanic to Romance countries. Hence why the Habsburgs were sucking them off the entire time and tried to convert the Batavians."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nThe amount of LARP and cock-gurgling in this post is off the charts."}, {"id": 13, "content": "White Guelph"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">This is what England's allies look like. Churchill and Roosevelt, Eden and the Archbishop of Canterbury warmly expressed their recognition and admiration for the men in the Moscow Kremlin who do so \"splendidly\" and are a most welcome addition to the front line of fighters for culture, human rights and freedoms. We are now of the opinion that there is no more damning verdict possible for the English and North American \"pioneers of civilization\" than our present picture, which shows Soviet diplomats, namely our old friend Litvinov-Finkelstein (2nd from left) with the prominent comrades Krestinsky, Ugarov and Lunacharsky! If a film director had the task of depicting Jewish crooks and criminals in a single close-up - he would never come close to this Bolshevik reality. And no actor who mastered the art of the mask with such virtuosity could produce such disgusting, repellent gallows physiognomies. The whole subhuman criminality of Bolshevism is truly summed up in this single photograph."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.alexautographs.com/auction-lot/anti-semitic-press-photo-of-soviet-diplomat-maxim_CAD4DABBFF"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Churchill dooming his nation to eternal Bolshevik rule.\nI think about the millions of men who died in WW1 and WW2 after looking at London’s demographics and various Orwellian laws. He sent young men to spill their own blood for a global cabal that hates them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHitler lost bro."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nretard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ITT post some earlier photos of historical figures"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVan Gogh"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Ford"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nI literally can't find a single source for this being Hitler. The only thing I can find is something about a Turkish boy. I mean if this really is Hitler how come not a single source other than anons on this website has it?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Here’s an actual picture of young Stalin, not that fake one that floats around"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe still looks good, just with some nasty acne. But he makes up for it by being a bank robber."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI think its some pic of Hitler put through some faceapp to make him a teen"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nexcelent hair"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The Iron Little Girl."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where is does the line between a based trad tomboy and a degenerate feminist whore go?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPremarital sexual relations"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Ask yourself the following question: is the individual trying to preserve civilization and human life or trying to upend and destroy it for their own self-emolument?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nUpholding a demented system ruled by pedophiles is pretty evil."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI'm pretty sure sacrificing unborn children to Moloch and live children to sexual predators who will slit their throats and bury them in the woods anyway does not satisfy the standards of \"preserving civilization and human life\", so most women since 1914 are automatically excluded"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni hope you get to suffer from testicular torsion"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\ncrystal cafe is that way, whore"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nMeds"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSelfishness vs selflessness"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nDoesn't answer the question."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>trad tomboy\nDoesn’t exist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did Alexander do it? Was greek armor and tactics really that superior to the rest of the known world? If so how?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConquering is actually relatively easy if you get the jump on your enemy. Governing and maintaining it is the hard part.Alexanders conquests is not anymore impressive than the Parthians taking a break from fucking sheep to reverse a huge chunk of it on basically a wim"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The Asiatic people were known to the Greeks as natural slaves of Despotism, because they would easily submit to a despotic King, while the Greeks on the other hand valued their freedom and were a natural warrior people. Alexander only replaced the head of the Persian Empire, but didn't dissolve it. It was a change of management. And because of the fore-mentioned servile attitude of the people there he managed to keep it in one piece.\nKeep in mind before Persia emerged as the dominant Empire, there were various successive Empires more or less controlling the same core territory of the fertile crescent. So the people there were really used to this. The Assyrians started it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMacedonians were despot boot lickers too anon and were seen as different from the Gayreeks who were lolberts mixed with simping spartancels. Modern Greeks have little in common with the Greeks of old and are just Macedonian-Romano-Anatolian-slavic-Armenian myster meat mutts"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nMacedonians are Indo-Europeans just like the Hellenes. They are brothers to the Hellens and spoke a sister language to Ancient Hellenic. Hellenes recognized their common origin even in more savage Indo-Europeans like the Sycthians, who they exchanged brides with.\n\nBut you are of course right that modern Greeks have little relation to the Ancient Hellenes and don't deserve to have that name. They are a purely artificial nation based on the Greek Orthodox Religion. Athens spoke Albanian after Independence. Modern Greece is built on top of Albanian-speaking Greek Orthodox."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSocrates -> Plato -> Aristotle -> Alexander"}, {"id": 7, "content": "He achieved perfection. He believed in the good. That's all it takes to achieve everything you want."}, {"id": 8, "content": "After Xenophon was able to March most of the mercenary Army back to Greece despite being constantly attacked it was a sign just how vulnerable the Persian empire was to hoplite warfare. All it took was someone to convert it to an offensive stance and it was all over."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThe Persians knew it was coming, and so did the Indians."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>Conquering is actually relatively easy if you get the jump on your enemy.\nThan why after Alex died his generals didn't make any new conquests (For example, Seleucus didn't even subjugate armenia) and even lost large parts of his empire?\nThey were as power-hungry and vain as him, so you can't just say \"They didn't want it\"."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>hoplite warfare\nwasn't a new thing."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Than why after Alex died his generals didn't make any new conquests\nmaybe because they were fighting each other? What a shocker eh"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe well equipped, disciplined, experienced and initially motivated nature of Alexander’s army was an immense advantage when taking on the Persians, not to mention the refined and innovative tactics they successfully employed in battle after battle. Alexander himself was intensely motivated and charismatic, and fought alongside his men every step of the way, something that saved his ass when he needed to justify to his troops their continued campaigning at Opis and elsewhere. The Persians, on the other hand, were viewed by a large amount of their subjects (who in turn made up large parts of their armies) as foreign conquerors, and as a result many had no deep-seeded loyalties to the satraps who commanded them, nor any genuine interest in their continued success. This is why Greek mercenaries and soldiers from the Anatolian coast in the service of the Persians upon Alexander’s invasion were mostly held back and out of battle, for fear they would just turn around and join their fellow Greeks in the fighting, and I suspect it’s also why every battle between Alexander and the Persians ended in a crazed Achaemenid rout; the Batcrians, Scythians, Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Indians and others who made up the bulk of their forces were largely undisciplined when it mattered, and ran saying “fuck this” the moment it seemed that the battle was lost and they would not make it out alive. Persians, on the other hand, distinguished themselves as brave, valiant and efficient fighters whenever they entered the fray, something that further separates them from the rest of their Imperial comrades and makes this point all the clearer. Don’t forget that Alexander was even viewed as a liberator by some of the peoples he came across in his campaigns, most famously the Egyptians, who declared him Pharaoh and a living God upon his arrival, allowing him to grab the wealthiest and most prestigious Achaemenid province in one go (1/2)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\n>sources cited: Shqiptar awakening.com"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\n>Asiatic people were known to the Greeks as natural slaves\nIs that why the Greeks hamfisted a retcon in their origin mythos that tried to link the Persians and Medes as being children of Perseus and his wife Medea and therefore kin of the the Hellenes in Asia?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nThe Ionian Greeks were using Hoplites and similar tactics in Anatolia and the Persians beat them easily, that style of warfare was already common and not new."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nAll of that being said, I think it’s clear that Alexander and his army weren’t the “best in the world” at the time per say, nor were they invincible against every conceivable foe. They defeated the largest and most prestigious empire in the world, but it was also an empire who at the time had a number of serious and unique problems lurking under the surface, and the Hellenic League under Alexanders command was lucky and gifted enough to drag them to the surface\n\nTLDR: Alexander and the Greeks wiped the floor with the Persians not because they were invincible or unmatched international military geniuses, but because they prioritized effective tactics, had competent leadership who led by example, and possessed a homogenous and initially motivated force, unlike the Persians, who lacked every single one of these. (2/2)"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Parmenion was a true military genius. Not that idiot faggot Alexander"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>Don’t forget that Alexander was even viewed as a liberator by some of the peoples he came across in his campaigns, most famously the Egyptians, who declared him Pharaoh and a living God upon his arrival, allowing him to grab the wealthiest and most prestigious Achaemenid province in one go\nThis sounds like bullshit propaganda. It's a shame people believe it face value"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot Greek. Macedonian. Macedonian warfare won an Empire, the same army which conquered Greece and destroyed the armies of Athens and all the other Greek states. It wasn’t a team effort, it was the Macedonians conquering all in their path with the Greek states as another conquered region"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nContemporary sources (Callisthenes, Aristobus, etc.) and later historians from antiquity who had access to primary sources (Arrian, Plutarch, Diodorus) all unanimously characterized Alexander’s seizure of Egypt as one of liberation, celebrated as such by the Egyptians themselves, who despised Persian rule, rather than one of conquest, which they clearly had no problems discussing at length regarding nearly everywhere else Alexander campaigned, be it through Phoenicia, Bactria, Scythia, India or the Persian heartlands themselves. Egypt had rebelled against the Achaemenids on several previous occasions (with one instance coming famously after the Persian defeat at Marathon) and had done so towards every single other foreign power that had ever tried to conquer or dominate them, beginning with the Hyksos way back during the Second Intermediate Period, before the start of the New Kingdom. Alexander freed them from what they considered to be a far more odious occupier, and in so doing he made himself next in line as a genuine Pharaoh. To further ingratiate himself with Egyptians, he acted as all legitimate Pharaohs had in the past: he restored and generously gave to the lands neglected temples, and ordered the construction of new ones, which immediately won him the praise of Egypts notoriously finicky priestly class. He was crowned as Pharaoh in the temple of Ptah in Memphis, and later returned to the city to make sacrifices to its gods. Indeed, upon traveling to the Oracle of Siwa and being proclaimed as the son of Amun-Ra, he would for the rest of his life proclaim himself as “Son of Zeus-Ammon”, and coins from the period have been recovered which display him wearing Ammons sacred horns. When he returned to Egypt not long after having seized it, he was once again greeted as a liberator by the Egyptians, who most notably and importantly, never once raised arms against him or his rule, in sharp contrast to their entire established history (1/2)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>>19\nThis utter lack of resistance displays two primary things: that the Egyptians truly reviled the Persians as rulers and administrators, and that Alexander ingratiated himself so effectively and thoroughly as a legitimate Pharaoh that not even infamously rebellious Egyptians found many problems with him. He was accorded Egyptian honors in a way that no other foreigner had ever received before, and all of this was recorded in much the same way by every single other chronicler in antiquity who wrote about Alexander, be they contemporaries or not.\nTLDR: Read about it yourself fucking retard, don’t just call it “propaganda” cause it seems that way on the surface and shit over those who actually know what the fuck their talking about"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>le cringe semantical retard has entered the chat"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>>21\n>>22\nOne of the coins mentioned, with Alexander bearing the horns of Ammun"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nThe Egyptian revolts since the Achaemenid conquest of Egypt by Cambyses II had been ongoing for the Empire's near duration of its existence, and the Egyptians had also frequently aligned with the Greeks against Persian rule multiple times prior to Alexander's invasion. Not that it matters, Darius had Egyptian high priest proclaimed him as a living god and Pharaoh as well. Just more of the same."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nAll historical discussion is semantics and it’s also completely right. Ascribing the Greek city states to what is Macedonias victory and accomplishment is stupid.\n>Inb4 fryom\nKys"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nIndeed, the only important distinction to make between Darius’ and Alexander’s proclamations was that one was done after a brutal war of subjugation within and against Egypt itself, so as to more fully incorporate Cambyses’ conquests within the empire, while the other was done absent of any conflict between the Greeks and Egyptians, as both you and I had noted that Greeks and Egyptians alike virulently opposed Persian rule. Thus, Alexander’s arrival was treated as less of a “under new management” situation, and more of an outright liberation situation"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>brutal war of subjugation\nThe war was a result of Egypt's military alliance and aggression with Neo-Babylonia, Lydia, and Media against Persia. There had never been an intent to initially conqueror Egypt and even peace attempts by Cyrus after Media and Babylonia had been conquered and defeated for conciliatory treaties but the Egyptians refused; thereby inviting that kind of heavy handed reprisals by Cyrus' successor and son, Cambyses in response to Egyptian aggression."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nbehold\na gypsydonian and a shqiptar have a conversation about history and genetics"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>20\nmacedonians were greek retard-kun"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>21\n>Contemporary sources (Callisthenes, Aristobus, etc.) and later historians from antiquity who had access to primary sources (Arrian, Plutarch, Diodorus)\nStopped reading right there. We dont have contemporary histories we just have later accounts. Get your head out of alexander's ass"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>Alexander’s arrival was treated as less of a “under new management” situation, and more of an outright liberation situation\nSure buddy"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\n>Arrian\n>primary source\n>contemporary"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>8\nThis is correct. Xenophon was a huge inspiration and wake up call for the Greeks and Alexander. Alexander even used Xenophons works as a guide to invading asia minor"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>3\nNigger, Alexander was worshipped as a God and had temples built for him while alive. This was NEVER the case for Persians, who only claimed to be doing the will of Ahura-Mazda."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\ncool story"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>31\nCallisthenes and Aristobus travelled with and knew Alexander personally, and while their works chronicling his campaigns only survive today as fragments, they were well known and referenced extensively by later chroniclers like Arrian and Diodorus, all of whoms accounts referencing this material remains essentially identical, disproving the notion that later historians, separated by languages and centuries, made up or substantially altered the events of his life sourced from these accounts. Try getting your own head out your ass for a change\n>>32\nIt’s just what all available literary and archeological evidence suggests, but alright\n>>33\nMust have missed the part right before that which said “later historians from antiquity who had access to primary sources” like Arrian, clearly establishing that he was not a primary/contemporary source."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nArrian is one of the worst sources, even if you factor he's not a primary one."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nIdk how many times I have to repeat the fact that Arrian was never a primary source and was never stated to be such anywhere in this thread, but he wasn’t, not sure why you keep harping on that"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nGod damn you really are a retard arent you?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nretard"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\nThe Persians weren't surprised for 5 years and the Parthian's conquest isn't comparable in anything except some of the land it involved.\n\nConclusion: You are a retarded sperg who should not ever reply to a thread on this board again"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did the call it the “known world”? Didnt they knew that going to the west there were many cultures in Europe? Greek geographers already mapped Europe. Why did he not go to the west?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>2\nEmpire is only as strong as its administration.\n\nAchaemenid satraps were subjugated local rulers who were forced to pay tribute to their suzerain. They only did that because the suzerain had an army.\nWhen Alexander kept defeating Darius, the satraps lost the reason to fight for him, and defected. Had they had a reason to fight and resisted to the last hill, Alexander would have struggled to conquer Anatolia, alone entire empire.\n\nContrast this to Rome, where all governors were former consults and had relatives in Rome, so even if Rome suffered a military disaster (like that of Cannae) the governors held firm.\nAfter Cannae, a single stronghold stood between Hannibal and Rome, Nola. If its governor had been a spineless Achaemenid satrap, he would have defected to Hannibal and allowed Hannibal to end Rome, but instead against all the odds, he decided to resist.\nHannibal failed to assault Nola, and had to retreat, allowing Rome to rebuild its army."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\n>>40\n>>41\n>inbreed retards can't into reading comprehension"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>12\nThey were fighting each other constantly for 40 yars?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>daddy unites Greece for you with his superior phalanx formations\n>go and overextend all the way into India blowing all his preparations and dooming your empire."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>22\nEasterners always lack resistance to large-scale and successful conquests, it's not really unique to Alexander's campaign."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>30\n>made up speech\n>ignoring the point\nHint, the monarchy, clans and structures of Macedon had little in common with the Greek city states. The Greek city states would have never taken down Persia, they would have never developed the Macedonian Phalax or a professional army for it. The achievements of Phillip and his son were not predicated on the success of Athens and other like states. It was Macedon and Macedonians achievement alone that did it."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\n>daddy unites Greece for you with his superior phalanx formations\nthe coalition essentially fell apart the minute philip died. If Alexander was incompetent as people like to say he was then He would have no army to in vade Persia to begin with since he would have lost Greece.\n>>47\n>>go and overextend all the way into India blowing all his preparations and dooming your empire.\nYeah I think Alexander should have stopped After bactrian campaigns and consolidated his gains. he deserves blame here"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you considered that he simply might be the son of Zeus?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nThe Greek armies didn’t accompany the Macedonian ones. In fact a Macedonian army was kept in Greece to prevent rebellion. Alexander would have still had his army. But yea he did have to crush them again after his father died and they revolted"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRacial superiority."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was greek armor and tactics really that superior to the rest of the known world?\nNo. Macedonians tactics and equipment however, were. They blew out the Greeks and the Persians alike.\nThough Persia being ran by Darius III helped. I'm unconvinced that Alexander would've done anywhere near as well against the likes of Cyrus or Cambyses.\n>>3\n>The Asiatic people were known to the Greeks as natural slaves of Despotism, because they would easily submit to a despotic King, while the Greeks on the other hand valued their freedom and were a natural warrior people.\nThat must be why Xenophon & co creamed themselves over how awesome Persia and its kings were and Greece should definitely become more like Persia.\n>>5\n>Macedonians are Indo-Europeans just like the Hellenes.\nSo, like Persians?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>46\nFor the first twenty years, basically yes. For the second twenty years it was more occasional but everyone still had to keep their guards up."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nI don't think Cyrus would have done much better, against popular belief, Darius wasn't a bad king. He was very close to winning in Gaugemela and Issus.\nHe prioritized his safety over winning, maybe Cyrus would have rather died in battle. Thought from Darious's perspective, why risk it when you have nearly endless resources?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere were many factors at play, along with:\n1. >Was greek armor and tactics really that superior to the rest of the known world?\nConcerning that point, Alex additionally had the advantage, that he had a professional army and die-hard loyal commanders, who were disciplined, definitely not switching sides and highly skilled by themselves. Unlike the mainly locally levied kingly Persian and satrapy armies, the Macedonian army had a large core of complementary phalangitai (near unbreakable line holders while in formation, the \"anvil\" of the army, hypaspistai (veteran \"light\"- albeit highly armored ironically - infantry to screen the unwieldy phalanx) and hetairoi (fast, yet pretty heavy lance cavalary, the \"hammer\" of the army), which he and his commanders could used like a Swiss army knife in a combined arms fashion. The experience gathered in the Thracian campaign (who fought surprisingly similarly to the Persians, especially the satrapy armies in Asia Minor, being made up largely of Phrygian and Carian levies) was also of great advantage. Combine that with the extreme tactical cunning of Alexander, his daring cavalry charges and the skill of his subordinates and you'll see how Alexander was able to easily defeat Persian armies several times larger than his own.\nHowever, Alexander also turned out to be a hugely lucky bastard, as Darius III was quite full of himself and not at all an equal to Alexander:\n>Battle at the Granicus:\n2. Instead of scorching the earth and giving the Macedonian king little time to act, forcing him into potentially foolish action or retreat, as the satraps of Asia Minor suggested, Darius orders a pitched battle to be fought against Alexander, who was already known as a very proficient commander at this time. The satrapies gather their armies, lose, and Alex marches through Asia Minor pretty much unopposed, having thousands of ecstatic local Greeks defect to him. Lydia, Ionia and Cappadocia are lost immediately.\n\nCont."}, {"id": 58, "content": "The Persian Empire was incredibly weakened and Alexander’s father had basically spent decades building up an army with new military technology to fight Persia. When he got BTFO’d by King Porus when entering India his army revolted and his generals poisoned him. History has embellished his feats. It would of been better for Macedonia had he just stopped at Anatolia and focused on state building, but he was a megalomaniac and had to go further."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlexander is yet more proof that all \"ancient\" history was fabricated by the adoption of the gregorian calendar at the earliest. We know greeks had steppe ancestry and several empires such as the seljuks conquered almost the same territory in about as many years. Conclusion greeks weren't settled by then nor did they fight with pike and shot medieval formations. Ancient Greece and Rome are medieval if not renaissance era inventions."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>3. The battle of Issus, and the inability of the Persian levies to hold against the Macedonians\nWhile Granicus could be interpreted as the Persians failing from their short-sighted action, rather than a lack of troop quality, Issus shows the massive inadequacies of the Persian forces, and of course in Darius' skill as a commander:\n>initial cavalry attack repelled by Macedon despite superior Persian numbers\n>only the Greek mercenaries of Darius inflicted significant casualties on the Macedonians, who had to advance through highly rugged terrain (through a river and up its bank). Meanwhile, the assload of levies and skirmishers spent their day running away or being decimated by Hypaspists and Agriganians\n>everyone promptly gets running after Darius fucks off\n>last \"Persians\" still fighting were Greek mercenaries, who had to be charged down by Alexanders guard\n>4. Persia's decentralization and the rebellious provinces\nAlexander, having secured passage though the Syrian gates and invigorated by his victory, now presses on into the Levant to secure naval superiority and access to reinforcements by sea. Tyre is captured after a long and ingenious siege, guaranteeing Alexander a stream of supplies deep into the Persian Empire. Egypt is taken after a single siege and the subsequent collapse of the local Persian satrapy. Notice a trend? Alexander wins one decisive battle or siege, and suddenly becomes the lord over a new satrapy. This is because the Persian Empire was organized in such a way, that satraps held all of the local administrative power at one or few key sites, without much Persian authority or alternative power structures in place to fill the vaccum of the collapse of a satrapy. This means, that whenever Alexander defeats a local satrap, that place is essentially lost for Persia. Combine this with the lack of native enthusiasm for Persian rule, and you have a perfect recipe for piece by piece collapse through one rogue revolt or invader."}, {"id": 61, "content": "Alexander was insane and ahead of his time.\nThanks to Aristotle"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nI need whatever you’re on. But you have a point about Greeks being made up partially. While we have plenty of idea how they lived and governed themselves. We have almost no idea how Greek warfare actually worked with some speculation being that it was basically a mob style warfare that just charged and sought personal glory above victory in the battle"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>56\n>I don't think Cyrus would have done much better, against popular belief.\nAside from the fact that Cyrus won multiple battles against three superpowers in an alliance against Persia after felling Media; Lydia, Egypt, and Babylonia. But sure, Darius III, who had zero talent as a general and was famous as a warrior and personal combatant with zero experience really ruling (only had a short stint as a honor ranked satrap by his cousin Atraxerxes III before he was assassinated shortly before becoming shahanshan) for a while and politically inept but whatever, I'm sure Cyrus would've absolutely had the same performance as Darius III."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nThought the Achaemenid army was outdated, literally bronze age chariots, while Macedonian phalanx were revolutionary\n\nAlso, didn't Cyrus literally lose against Scythians?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>Also, didn't Cyrus literally lose against Scythians?\nIs that supposed to be shameful? Steppe hordes have terrorized civilized armies from prehistory all the way to the widespread use of modern firearms"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nIt might be best to consider Cyrus as losing against Scythia. The Scythians had all the steppe to retreat into, where they knew the clean water-sources and the Persians didn't."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>>65\n>>66\nXenophon who actually went to Persia with the 10,000 serving under Cyrus the Younger explicitly states in his Anabasis that Cyrus the Great was never killed by the Scythians."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe used Aristotelian facts and logic."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>14976723\nAlexandros Shapiro?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>37\n>they were well known and referenced extensively by later chroniclers like Arrian and Diodorus\nIn your dreams"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>42\n>Parthian's conquest isn't comparable in anything except some of the land it involved.\nIn a single generation they reversed over half of Alexander's conquests"}, {"id": 72, "content": "Parmenion did all the work and was the actual genius"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>42\n>Parthian's conquest isn't comparable\nToo bad that it is lol."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>64\nchariots were gone in the middle east after the bronze age collapse\nAll the ones used by the persians were scythed chariots probably invented by them for this specific use but they were far outnumbered by cavalry. They only fell out of use by the roman period btw. Many of Alexander's successors used them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">day 114 439\n>the existence of matter has still not been proven"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou matter to me, anon."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*kicks rock* I refute it thus"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">day 114 439\n>the existence of consciousness has still not been proven"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nDo you think p-zombies are metaphysically possible?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Nothing has proven to me the existence of minds other than my own either. Convince me, if you all really exist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\na p-zombie will be AI in a few years"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI had sex with your mother last night"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nCogito, Ergo Sum: Inference or Performance?\nAuthor(s): Jaakko Hintikka"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nProve to me that the body of flesh and organs I call my mom is actually conscious"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThe p-zombie thought experiment assumes an entity that is physically identical to a conscious human being."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nA character in a novel saying \"I do not exist\" is a performative contradiction in the context of the novel, but it's still true that the character is not real."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNo it's not. The character is not saying anything so there is no contradiction."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nRelative to the fiction, they're saying something."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNo they are not saying anything in reality. Relative to fiction = made up, not real."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYeah, and if I don't exist, then I'm not actually saying anything in reality. I'm just like the character in the fiction. So, by your logic, there is no performative contradiction."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nI had sex with her, and she said it felt good"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYes if you don't exist then nothing is true of you. It's just made up."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>everything you can see, touch, hear, feel around you doesnt exist\n>but some kind of magical ghost consciousness that nobody can see, touch, hear or feel exists"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nHow do you know there was a \"she\" saying it and not just an unthinking android?"}, {"id": 21, "content": "80% of philosophy from Descartes to Husserl, both included, is mass delirium, no matter how intelligent they all were.\nphilosophy of mind is the true heir to this delirious trend"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">80% of philosophy from Descartes to Husserl, both included, is mass delirium, no matter how intelligent they all were.\n>philosophy of mind is the true heir to this delirious trend"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\ncopious ammounts of copium\n\n>>unknown\nlook at this smug prick kek"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>to be is to be perceived\n>b-b-but you can't perceive your spirit\ncomplete retard like all that don't strongly reject him and his followers"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the external world exists outside of minds and is material, which is what literally everyone acts on and intuitively feels\n>the world is actually an elaborate simulation being beamed into our heads by God (but he’s not a deceiver) that doesn’t behave anything like ideas in a mind do"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>>1 (OP)\nWhich one seems more likely?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI hate appeals to \"likelihood\" in philosophy. How do you plan to rate this probability? Is it based on anything but your feelings? Besides the point such appeals to probability are insincere because they are always attached to absolute arguments."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI mean arguments from logical necessity are ideal in philosophy but that’s not always possible. I think you can make arguments of likelihood not by numerical probability but by heuristics like Occam’s Razor."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Throw yourself in front of an oncoming bus, then"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "And yet people pulled up your big boy panties and pulled up their bootstraps and worked their asses off to make money. Something that young people today don't.\n>but but stagnant wages\n10 dollars an hour is something my folks never got, you have it too good historically speaking.\n\nBack in the 1980s historically speaking you would have shat your pants and how high interest rates were and yet people still bought homes. If you can't buy a home and your 30 it's your fault don't blame society, it is YOUR fault for this. I have no sympathy you can easily rent an apartment or buy a home its not hard, even in California if young people really work their asses off and get rid of their diapers, they could easily afford a simple home for one person. This is a history related thread so mods don't get upset with me. I am showing that historically speaking look at the interest rates in the 1980s and then start complaining and crying about how life is unfair."}, {"id": 2, "content": "ok boomer"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe inversion of interest rates contributed to asset inflation which priced out a lot of younger people."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWell that's not my problem. Unsub from Netflix and stop buying funko pops and then you might get some wealth. And quit whining about being priced out. That's just how the free market is in the United States. Go live somewhere else if you can't afford to live in your trendy hipster liberal city."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLol okay boomer."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNone of that refutes what he just said. You just spewed some buzzwords."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Basically people became aware of how the economy worked and now know when to not spend their money, this is why democrats print so much money because people know how to avoid high taxes and interest rates"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>Go live somewhere else if you can't afford to live in your trendy hipster liberal city.\nMan I live in a shithole"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAnd who's fault is that? Society or yourself?\n>>unknown\nNot an argument millennial."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>666\nOh and mark of the beast I see as well? Perhaps you are a satanist and so as punishment by god you live in a shithole country."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nI will. No choice. Can't afford the city where I grew up.\n\"somewhere else\" won't be the united states, though. I'm leaving this shithole and never looking back, brain drain isn't just for third world countries anymore."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>LARPing as a boomer\n>people fall for it\nmillenials really are stupid"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>10 dollars an hour is something my folks never got\nToo bad you're the only faggot retarded enough to think that means anything without adjusting for inflation."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Overview of the argument:\n1. If something is modaly possible to exist and the causal requirements for its existence are met, then it exists.\n2. A being without causal requirement is a being that doesn't require any external cause for it's existence.\n3. The concept of God is a being without causal requirements.\n4. The concept of God doesn't include any causal requirements, except for that it's possible for God to exist (1,2,3).\n5. It's modaly possible for God to exist.\n6. God exists (4,5)."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Logical form:\nLogical form\n1. P(x) ^ R(x) --> E(x)\n2. CRLB(x) --> CR(x)\n3. CRL(G)\n4. P(G) --> E(G)\n5. P(G)\n6. E(G)"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Comments on premises:\n1: For example, it's modaly possible for a cup of coffee to exist, but there are various causal requirements for a cup of coffee to exist. Someone must manufacture the ingredients and place them in a cup. It must also be modaly possible for a cup of coffee to exist. If it were modaly impossible for a cup of coffee to exist, then one could not manufacture a cup of coffee, even if they had all the ingredients and a cup, etc.\n2: A being with no causal requirements for it's existence being is a being that has no external requirements for its existence. For example, a cup of coffee that exists entirely independently of having had a cup and then putting coffee in it, or of having made a cup of coffee in some other way. However, such a cup of coffee seems impossible to exist. So a cup of coffee is not a requirement-less existing being.\n3: One can attribute any properties to concepts. For example, if one says that the causal requirements for making a cup of coffee are to knock on a table, one won't get any coffee. This is because the existence of coffee made in such a way is modaly impossible. Causal requirement-less existing beings are those beings without causal requirements for their existence. It's possible for requirement-less existing beings to be modaly impossible, it's impossible for them to exist. So when one says that God is a being without no causal requirments, they're not defining God to exist because it's possible for a requirement-less existing being to not exist.\n5: This is difficult to prove, but many believe it intuitively."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Answer to counter argument 1 to 3\nArg 1\n3. If god is possible to exist, then it's possible for non-physical objects to exist\n4. It's not possible for non-physical objects to exist.\n5. It's impossible for god to exist.\n\nI simply reject the physical - non-physical distinction becuase I have never heard a good definition for either concept.\n\nArg 2\nParodies\n1. If something is possible to exist and the requirements for its existence are met, then it exists.\n2. A requirement-less existing state of being is a state that doesn't require anything for its existence.\n3. The concept of OP having a dildo in his ass is a requirement-less existing state of being.\n4. The concept of OP having a dildo in his ass doesn't require OP to actually open his asshole, except that it's possible for OP to have a dildo in his ass. Furthermore, the dildo is in OPs ass, so we can't observe it, but it's most certainly in his ass.\n5. It's possible for OP to have a dildo in his ass.\n6. OP has a dildo in his ass.\n\nThe counter is against 5 were it's impossible for OP to have a requirementless dildo in my ass, given that dildos have requirements for their existence becuase they are made out of parts, on requirement is the placement of said parts.\n\nArg 3:\n>It's a contradiction to say that god is a requirement-less being and then say that god requires possibility to exist.\n\nThis is true and I should make my terminology more explicit. Now I use the words \"causal requirements\" and \"modal requirements\" were causal requirements is the cause for something and modal requriements is that it's physically/logical/metaphysicaly possible."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Answer to counter argument 4 to 6\nArg 4:\n>Just becuase humans think something is possible doesn't mean it's possible\n\nThis is correct and it's why premise five is the weakest. Thinking x is possible isn't justification to believe x is possible.\n\nArg 5:\n>This argument doesn't prove the christian god.\n\nCorrect, I'm not a christian.\n\nArg 6\n>People who believe it's 'possible' for God to exist in that sense are not atheists by definition. this is so silly\n\nWith possible I mean logicaly, physically and metaphysically possible. If you believe that god is logicaly, physically and metaphysically impossible, then you are a strong atheist. But most atheists are lacketheists and deny strong theism. So they are committed to this premise."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n4. The concept of op having a dildo up his ass doesn't include any causal requirements, except for that it's possible for op having a dildo up his ass to exist (1,2,3).\n5. It's modaly possible for op to have a huge dildo up his ass.\n6. Op has a massive dildo crammed up his anal cavity (4,5)."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI reject premisse 5 becuase it's modaly impossbile for a dildo to exist without causal requirements."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA being without causal requirements could also be something that doesn't exist"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nRejecting the idea that beings without causal requiements can exist is indirectly rejecting premise 5 as god belongs to the set of beings without causal requirements. I think that is a reasonable position."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>modaly possible to exist\nhow do you know God is modaly possible to exist?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIntuition. Most atheists agree given that they say they have a lack of belif in god, not that it's impossible for god to exist. If they believed that it's impossible for god to exist, then they would just deny that god exists.\n\nI know Leibniz had some argument for the possiblity of god but they seem wacky."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Intuition.\nMy intuition says God doesnt exist."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nDo you commit to the belif that it's impossible for god to exist?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nIt seems to me you are not explaining why a being whithout causal requirements is possible in the first place; just saying that god is in that cathegory doesn't justify the existence of the cathegory\nAlso\n> set of beings without causal requirements\n\nAre you sayng there is more than one god?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nYes. There will never be evidence for God. Ever."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nDenying the possibility of things without causal requirements denies the possiblity of god existing. I think it's reasonable to deny the possibility of things without causal requirements, but you have to commit to strong atheism if you do so.\n>Are you sayng there is more than one god?\nI'm not a christian so idc. I'm open to it."}, {"id": 17, "content": "God bless brother give em hell"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nNice. Just don't use the lacktheism argument if you believe it's impossible for god to exist."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>think it's reasonable to deny the possibility of things without causal requirements.\nThen I don't really see the point of your argument if it is reasonable to deny it's main premise as you conceded\n\n>but you have to commit to strong atheism if you do so.\n\nI guess that is true but I don't see the problem with it and you cold still doubt the existence of things w/o causal requirements with out outright denying it"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Then I don't really see the point of your argument if it is reasonable to deny it's main premise as you conceded\nThe metapoint of the argument is to force lacktheists to commmit to a stronger position.\n>Then I don't really see the point of your argument if it is reasonable to deny it's main premise as you conceded\nIf you doubt something, you are still staying it's possible. Otherwise you are just denying it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>lacktheists\nI'm no familiar with this term what does it mean?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThey just say they have a lack of belif in god. They don't deny that god exist, which you have to do if you don't believe it's possible for god to exist."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nTo add to this, I'm guessing that they are not \"hard\" atheist nor agnostic right?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nThe problem with your argument is that something being epistemically and ontologically possible are two completely different things.\nWhen someone says they're not sure whether a certain entity that is defined as necessary exists, they aren't commenting on the ontological possibility (because such an entity indeed either must exist in all possible worlds or not exist in any possible worlds), they are commenting on their own mental state - in other words, that they are unsure whether such entity exists in all possible worlds or in none of them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThis is actually a good point. I've been btfo."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy should I think that it's possible for God to exist? Also, why should I think premise (1) is true. Why can't there be indeterministic causes that are necessary but not sufficient for their effects?"}, {"id": 27, "content": "You don't need to convince with arguments. That's more platonic or Socratic. A christian like you needs to convince through good works and salvation. Achieve salvation. Stop sinning. Repent. Pray. Fast."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI'm not a christian. Christianity is retarded.\n>>26\n>Possibility of god\nRead the prior conversation. I confused ontological with epistemologic possibility so the argument is fallacious.\n> Why can't there be indeterministic causes that are necessary but not sufficient for their effects?\nDo you mean statistical causes that have a certain probability of attaining their effect?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Do you mean statistical causes that have a certain probability of attaining their effect?\nYes."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThen you'd just add further stuff like\n1: It's 80% probable that X happens.\n2: The case that the 80% actually happens."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>18\nU can't expect a biased atheist to not be contradictory.Their whole \"cope-seethe\" drama depends on cherry picking shit"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs God outside of time and space? Then God does not exist. Simple."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>4\n>this guy unironically responded to a dildo joke\n\nLet me admend my truly astonishing Modal-Dildo Counterargument:\n>1. If something is modaly possible to be the case and the causal requirements for its existence are met, then it is the case.\n>2. A state of being without causal requirement is a state of being that doesn't require any external cause for it's case-existence.\n>3. The case of OP having a dildo firmly up his own ass is a state of being without causal requirements.\n>4. The case of OP having a dildo up his ass doesn't include any causal requirements, except for that it's possible for OP to have a dildo up his ass (1,2,3).\n>5. It's modaly possible for OP to have a dildo up his ass.\n>6. OP has a dildo up his ass (4,5)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">God doesn't exist\nBy what standard? There is no other standard of truth, reason, morality, law etc etc. except for God. Unbelievers claim facts discredit the existence of God, but in whose interpretation? The interpretation of those who are against God. The real question is not whether to think God exists but what to think in light of the fact that God exists."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod exists, just not the one you worship"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There is no other standard of truth, reason, morality, law etc etc. except for God.\nYeah your 5 senses"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you're saying that according to your reason, god is the standard for reason? :^)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Goku doesn't exist\nBy what standard? There is no other standard of truth, reason, morality, law etc etc. except for Goku. Unbelievers claim facts discredit the existence of Goku, but in whose interpretation? The interpretation of those who are against Goku. The real question is not whether to think Goku exists but what to think in light of the fact that Goku exists."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">Thor doesn't exist\nBy what standard? There is no other standard of truth, reason, morality, law etc etc. except for Thor. Unbelievers claim facts discredit the existence of Thor, but in whose interpretation? The interpretation of those who are against Thor. The real question is not whether to think Thor exists but what to think in light of the fact that Thor exists."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Gnomes doesn't exist\nBy what standard? There is no other standard of truth, reason, morality, law etc etc. except for Gnomes. Unbelievers claim facts discredit the existence of Gnomes, but in whose interpretation? The interpretation of those who are against Gnomes. The real question is not whether to think Gnomes exist but what to think in light of the fact that Gnomes exists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIm tired of your posts and your imaginary skydaddy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There is no other standard of truth, reason, morality, law etc etc. except for God\nWhy should I think that?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Um... Christsisters? They found us wearing the hat..."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">the face of le atheist fedora XDDD is a Christian\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsaV4Y8iZ4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe little hat"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\npucci?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can humans handle cellphones and the internet? We've had them for like a decade and they're already bringing us closer to extinction. What can we do to adapt them for how our brains are wired?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We've had them for like a decade and they're already bringing us closer to extinction\nThe only thing cell phones have done is turn mundane people into terminally online retards spouting fear porn in an effort to make their lives more interesting. Case in point: OP"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe forcing electronic devices to operate with a speed of information flow comparable to paper books\nHumanity has lived with books for centuries, and there were no major problems (propaganda by printed press is the main problem, yet not resolved)\n\nIf a technology can't be fixed and it's unhealthy, then it can only be banned entirely, or restricted to specific work related uses"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou mean every normal person?\n>>3\nBut how do you put that toothpaste back in the tube? And I don't know if there were \"no major problems\", I think they were the same problems just at a much slower pace."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe internet has done no good things for humanity. While its true its a very efficient means of spreading information, its equally as efficient at spreading misifnromation, so the net benefit remains zero. The internet is not responsible for any gains in human progress. The moon landing for example, was performed by a generation of people who never used the internet. Same with civil rights movements, this all happened regardless of the internet, because progress is just the nature of civilization as a whole. If anything I wholeheartedly believe the internet has had an overall negative effect on peoples mental health, social media is a very poor form of socialization and people who use it remain lonely, and people become exposed to far more negativity online due to the nature of Mean World Syndrome. Regardless, above all, I think people just put way too much faith in the internet, and this concerns me, because I don't think anyone should put much faith into what is essentially a piece of infrastructure propped up by telecom companies and service providers who ultimately do not give a fuck about you. Its the one institution everyone has been tricked into putting all their faith in, when in the grand scheme of things all it amounts to is a means of wasting your time and delivering porn."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe internet is one of the main reasons why the crime rates are lower now than they were in the past"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThere is no currently accepted cause for the late 90s to early 2000s crime drop. But even if that is the case, do you really believe it was worth the tradeoff? I'm not so sure personally."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>they’re already bringing us closer to extinction\nif you're going to make a doomer statement have something to substantiate it please. How are they bringing us closer to extinction, exactly?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\ncrime rates dropped because the \"war on drugs\" was a failure and police departments around the world changed their policy on handling drug users."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nCitation fucking needed"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nHow about the combo of nuclear weapons, the negative attention economy, and terminally online members of the government? That and the whole historical hingepoint we're headed towards."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThe internet hardly even has any negative effects. People \"still being lonely\" isn't a negative thing caused by the internet because you're acknowledging they'd be lonely without it, you're just saying the internet isn't doing enough to make them not be lonely, without it they'd still be more lonely. \"Misinformation\" is mostly subjective interpretations that the establishment doesn't like or in some cases objective facts that they don't want people aware of.\n\n>people become exposed to far more negativity online due to the nature of Mean World Syndrome.\n\nThis is the opposite of the truth. People are exposed to more positivity than they would be without the internet and that's one of the big criticisms that some people have of the internet, the idea that it promotes subcultures of \"social weirdos\" who otherwise would just get bullied in real life and have no friends."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nyou literally just posted an example graph you find when you google \"correlation does not equal causation\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>combo of nuclear weapons\nThat’s.. nuclear weapons driving is closed to extinction then.. how are you roping in the internet\n>negative attention economy\nElaborate, you mean what people afford to waste their time on, or companies vying for viewer attention being negative?\n>terminally online members of the government\nYes, the internet is an effective means of communication and politicians use it to connect to their voters/supporters and distribute their ideas.. what about television, prior to the adoption of the internet, that was different? Or newspapers, are they permissible or both of those also contributing to human extinction?\n>historical hinge point we’re heading towards\nCool, you’re also a fortune teller."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nYes, now put it into context with the post I replied to, you’re very close to understanding!"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\n>normal people are terminally online\nGo outside"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>\"Misinformation\" is mostly subjective interpretations that the establishment doesn't like or in some cases objective facts that they don't want people aware of.\nNo, its misinformation, plain and simple. There are bad actors spreading false information online in bad faith and this is a known issue\n>People are exposed to more positivity than they would be without the internet\nAbsolutely incorrect. People way smarter than you have long since come to the opposite conclusion. This isn't debatable, most sociologists agree that social media has a greatly negative impact on mental health. There's a good reason former Google CEO called social media \"Amplifiers For Idiots And Crazy People\"."}, {"id": 18, "content": "No but it's not because people are stupid, our own biology is biased towards it."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>the idea that it promotes subcultures of \"social weirdos\" who otherwise would just get bullied in real life and have no friends.\nSocial media has killed subcultures. You might be underage, but subcultures are generally only made up of insider groups. True subcultures can never exist on the internet, because everything you say and do is exposed to the entire world regardless of how obscure you think your Chinese pottery forum is. Its nothing like how subcultures were in the pre-internet days."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>There's a good reason former Google CEO called social media \"Amplifiers For Idiots And Crazy People\".\n\nDid he use social media to espouse this opinion? \"Sociologists\" are literal retards if they think furries and trannies are \"exposed to more negativity\" on the internet than they would be in real life. Kindness and positive social interactions literally don't even exist for some people except on the internet"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nNobody cares about what you personally believe. Again, this isn't debatable. Your contrived scenario requires that \"furries and trannies\" are somehow only exposed to their own online communities and never venture out of them, or that outsiders never enter those communities to spread bad faith, which is absolutely nonesense. Subculture cannot exist on the internet. Furries and trannies have existed way before the internet has."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nI should be clear that I consider internet weirdos \"normal\" too. We're all more alike than we think."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nSubcultures aren't the same as secret societies moron."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nno, but they were pretty damn close, especially shit like college fraternities"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nDisagree, I understand your point about the increased exposure on the internet though. The internet allows for the formation of niche communities based on shared interests, beliefs, or practices, effectively fostering subcultures not making them nonexistent. Online platforms enable people from various geographic locations to connect and share ideas regardless of distance. online subcultures may lack the exclusivity associated with traditional ‘insider groups’ (which I think is what you’re actually referring to), they offer an alternative space for subcultural expression and interaction. Short answer, subcultures do exist, they just largely aren’t exclusive insider groups anymore."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>Nobody cares about what you personally believe. Again, this isn't debatable\n\nThat's not what I said and only literal retards have to rely on lies to make arguments. I said there are people who would experience 0 positivity in real life whereas they experience some positivity on the internet. The opinions of you or \"sociologists\" are not objective facts, yes they are debatable. (Some positivity) > (no positivity) is an objective fact, it's not debatable."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSort of related, internet is a more chaotic form of the same old propaganda used for centuries and still existing today"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nThe attitude you're demonstrating is basically the reason why the internet is a good thing for most people. You're trying to gatekeep the idea of \"subcultures\" by insinuating that exclusivity and status are inherent features of them when they aren't. The fact that things like tabletop wargaming (a subculture), video games (a subculture), literature (a subculture), etc are more accessible and inclusive now is a good thing for most people. The fact that elitist boomers get triggered that more people can enjoy their hobbies doesn't make the internet a bad thing."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLittle millies and zoomers have their brain broken and attention span broken by the internet. As a GenXer its funny to see the little millies talk about zoomer's social media addiction when I see the same symptoms in them."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>14\nCool your jets, no need to get testy. I don't have a good word for it but we're aware that social media companies are incentivized to promote inflamitory content. We have the internal documents to prove that Facebook is actively making young people feel worse about themselves to sell adspace, we already know that emotion is abusable and can be used to sell products. It's not likely at all but it's not impossible for a twitter fight to reverberate into the use of a nuclear weapon. Again, unbelievably unlikely but we're going to see some great disaster start because of a flame war, one could argue it already has.\n\nAs for the hingepoint you'd have to be silly not to see something on the horizon. The US might be cresting into a decline in the coming decades and we're already feeling the tension. It's not coincidence that debates about communism and fascism have been on the rise, this kind of resent always foments before a psychic explosion that shakes the board. Because of the speed of the internet those explosions are happening more often."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is not something that is really in the psyche of the Germans. German Historians are neglecting their duty to formulate a cohesive narrative for my country. But it's more true than China's national myth of the century of humiliation and it's consistent: Every 100 years my country gets fucked up massively in a horrible disaster.\n\nIn 22 years it's going to be 100 years since the end of World War II. We can combine both world wars as just one massive disaster for Germany. We lost our shot at being a superpower. Ethnic Germans in Eastern Europe, who could have been the cement to hold together an Eastern German Sphere got all deported. And Germany lost a massive amount of territory and got divided in many different parts.\n\n100 years before WW1 Napoleon became the master of Europe and over Germans. He dissolved the Holy Roman Empire, he rearranged Germany according to his designs. We lost the Rhineland, Prussia got humiliated and Austria almost collapsed.\n\n100 years before that the 30 years war massively depopulated Germany. Countless villages were destroyed. It would actually take a hundred years in some parts for the population to finally recover. This was a massive blow to Germany. Worse than many people realize. It divided Germany religiously and prevented us from easily achieving a nation state like other countries and put us so far behind other Nations, who were exploring the New World and founding colonies. A massive opportunity loss.\n\n100 years before that the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire rejected the Protestant Reformation, which like Anglicanism would have created an autocephalous National German Church, which would have path us on a path to creating a nation-state. But it wouldn't have come to a religious split. There wouldn't be a religion called Protestantism. The Pope would just be less megalomaniac politically speaking.\n\nI can't wait for what's going to happen to my country in 2 decades. That will be fun."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>In 22 years it's going to be 100 years since the end of World War II.\nin 22 years there won't be any Germans left in the under 5 age bracket"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGermans faulting themselves just shows how powerful propaganda can be"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nThe real result was to smash Anglo arrogance once and for all, and to be the nail in their coffin."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappens.\nI predict the overall collapse of the faustian world empire is the next thing.\nBest case scenario german becomes a substrate of some balcanic dialect come the 5th century expy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>100 years before that [NAPOLEON'S CONQUEST OF THE «HOLY ROMAN GERMANIC EMPIRE»][,] the 30 years war massively depopulated Germany.\n\nTHE THIRTY YEARS WAR OCCURRED TWO HUNDRED YEARS PRIOR TO NAPOLEON, IN THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY.\n\n\n>100 years before that the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire rejected the Protestant Reformation, which like Anglicanism would have created an autocephalous National German Church, which would have path us on a path to creating a nation-state. But it wouldn't have come to a religious split. There wouldn't be a religion called Protestantism. The Pope would just be less megalomaniac politically speaking.\n\nTHE «PROTESTANT» DEFORMATION, IN THE FIRST PLACE, IS WHAT CAUSED RELIGIOUS, POLITICAL, SOCIAL, MARTIAL DISCORD, IN EUROPA, GENERALLY; IN THE WORLD, MACROGENERALLY; IN GERMANIC LANDS, SPECIFICALLY, WHICH PERSISTS TO THIS DAY, AND IT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE THIRTY YEARS WAR.\n\n\nADDENDVM:\n\nGERMANIC PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FRACTIOUS & SCHISMATIC; IF GERMANICS ARE CYCLICALLY FUCKED TO HISTORICAL PERPETUITY, THAT IS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT THEY THEMSELVES CAUSE."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically the 30 Years' War was probably the worst event Germany has gone through. At least the Nazis had a stratified and institutional basis for genocide, with the 30YW you had random gentry rounding up village peasants to pillage slaughter and rape the next town over, on an everyday basis. There was literally no escape from conflict."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe Thirty Years War ended 1648. The French Revolution started 1789. So there isn't enough time to squeeze another disaster for Germany in these 141 years."}, {"id": 9, "content": "You talk like WW2 just happened on its own and Germany had nothing to do with it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNo, I don't. I just described why it was a disaster for Germany. That's what the thread is about. It's about why my country constantly gets fucked up every century."}, {"id": 11, "content": "honestly it's looking pretty grim, only hope might be a \"Westsiedlung\" hiding in shithole or mountainous/rural parts of Europe and making the skeleton of a future country some hundreds of years out. The chances of reversing the demography problem politically are, realistically, very low. Westerners are going to have to go into inner isolation while the cities slowly depopulate"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nGermany is in the center of Europe and also you are a very fractious people too. Ingenious but with a sometimes tendency of fucking yourselves up.\n>>1 (OP)\nLuther himself condemned the pesants revolt."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nAnglos(Britbong in particular) got their empire, prestige and industry demolished in the aftermath of ww2. Ww2 humbled them too"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWomp womp. Germans are consistently out of touch and retarded"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do I become a knight of faith?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nget syphilis :^)"}, {"id": 3, "content": "You need to spam basedjaks on /his/ all day every day.\nAnd train an AI model to make Ricky Gervais scat porn."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nKierkegaard said that??"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI think it's implied."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNo, but that's what he would 100% do if he lived today"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">How do I become a knight of faith?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">qing\n>it's actually pronounced ching\nWho the fuck comes up with this stupid shit? Why not just write ching?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nçing"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPinyin is garbage.\nNobody knows how to pronounce Baofeng, so they had to start using Pofung."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Hanyu Pinyin wasn't designed with native English speakers in mind. Hence all the x's and q's and zh's and shit."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Because ching is aspirated and qing isn't, duh."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Who the fuck comes up with this stupid shit? Why not just write ching?\nHow ironic this is when you're posting this in english language which pronunciation makes absolutely no sense."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Pinyin was not designed to cater to the intuitions of English speakers. In French orthography <ch> is pronounced like the English <sh>. There is no intrinsic connection between <ch> and the sound it makes in English."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why not just write ching?\nBecause there are 4 different \"ching\" sounds that natives differentiate and need to reproduce in writing.\nQing, Jing, Zhing, Ching.\n\nIt's just like Chinese could say English is retarded for writing ch and zh when both are the same sound to them.\nAnd that's before anyone touches on the asinine acid trip with English spelling rules which do not make any any modicum of sense unless you're a 15th century southern Englishman. Whom haven't existed for centuries."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIs the \"zh\" sound like the \"j\" in \"Jean\"?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Michael\n>\"Me-haul\"\n\n>Siobhan\n>\"Sha-vorn\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAngloshits have a very respectable set of vowels, but they're plebian when it comes to consonants."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nNo, all three are ch-like.\nch is [ʈʂʰ]\nzh is [ʈʂ]\nq is [tɕʰ]\nj is [tɕ]\n\nThat is, in proper Mandarin. China is massive and you can't teach a billion people to all speak the same.\nSo some Chinese will actually pronounce zh with a j or zh sound. Ask southerners and they will straight up depalatize all -h consonants so zhou becomes zou (tsou), shang (sang), etc.\nIf you look up old enough \"How to fake a foreign accent\" books, hey suggest doing just that to imitate the Chinks (probably because southerners formed the majority of migrants).\nI mean \"Tsinks flom Tsaina tsecking to make sule.\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nShort answer: Yes.\nLong answer: No. Zh is pronounced with the tongue sort of like ch but pulled further back. J is pronounced with the tip of the tongue behind the front teeth but simultaneously the bit just behind it (the blade) is behind the front teeth.\n\nTry saying chur like a pirate and then chiiiiiii like tinnitus, that's the difference.\nhttps://youtu.be/05BMKdxHjp8?t=248 [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>If you look up old enough \"How to fake a foreign accent\" books, hey suggest doing just that to imitate the Chinks (probably because southerners formed the majority of migrants).\nIs that why originally Zedong was translated as Tse-tung? It never made sense to me, because every Chinese I've ever heard pronounced is more like Dzedong."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\nWhat he said.\nJapanese romanization is easy because an American missionary did it (Hepburn), to that's why Anglophones can easily pronounce most Japanese words with a decent approximation.\nThis is not the case for Pinyin, they didn't make it for Americans. Likewise, Vietnamese seems pretty absurd from an Anglophone POV, but from a Portuguese or French one (whose missionaries did the transcription) it's fairly logical."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAs a further example on how different transliterations can spell things\nPortuguese say \"Xogum\", English say \"Shogun\". Both mean 将軍, but because X is a Sh sound in Portuguese, the Jesuits there translated it as Xogum as opposed to Shogun."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nThere are Anglo romanizations (Wade-Giles) and they're even worse. Literally everything is ch.\n\nMy relatives frequently look forward to going to Chongqing to look for scenic spots.\n我亲戚经常憧憬去重庆找景区\nWǒ qīnqī jīngcháng chōngjǐng qù chóngqìng zhǎo jǐngqū.\nWo ch'in ch'i ching ch'ang ch'ung ching ch'ü chung ch'ing chao ching ch'ü."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">cao cao\n>pronounced as chao chao\n>instead if cow cow"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nCao Cao is a motherfucking booby trap and a test to see if you've watched Romance of the Three Kingdoms or read it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIsn't it zao zao?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">Yelu Chucai\n>Yellow Tooth Sigh"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nWoah. Is Wade-Giles responsible for Chinese being stereotyped as the \"ching chong\" language?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ching\nBecause someone will pronounce it as \"cheeng.\" Just look at how that Pajeet Republican candidate in America butchered Xi Jinpings name as \"zhee zheenbeeng\""}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nMandarin has no voiced consonants except nasals and instead makes a distinction between aspirated and unaspirated unvoiced consonants (it's fricatives are, simply put, open vs close mouthed instead of aspirated vs unaspirated). English, by contrast, makes a distinction between unaspirated voiced consonants and aspirated unvoiced consonants (fricatives are just voiced vs unvoiced). So, yes, it does have something to do with \"Tse-tung\" vs \"Zedong\", but this is based on how to romanize a language that works differently from European ones. So, the fact that it's unvoiced makes your English speaking brain think that it's a dz, when it's not.\n\nThe \"z\" in \"Zedong\" is pronounced \"ts\", and the \"d\" is pronounced \"t\", but neither are aspirated. English speakers find it weird to make unaspirated unvoiced plosives, so you almost have to kind of vomit it out.\n\n>>20\n/t͡sɑʊ̯2/ /t͡sɑʊ̯1/\nYes that's not the right notation for tones in IPA, no I don't care."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n肏 being ts instead of c is the only thing I prefer in wade-giles."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">First Chinese dynasty is Chin\n>Last Chinese dynasty is Ching\nWho write this shit?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nCao is especially bad because it's also a surname in Vietnamese and is pronounced cow there."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nLuckily they averted any potential confusion by simply naming everyone nguyen."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n*Noogyn"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nOB/GYN"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>Nguyen\n>its actually pronounced win"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>go to saigon"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nIt's not pronounced like that. The <Ng> is pronounced exactly how it's pronounced in English. It's just that the velar nasal doesn't occur at the beginning of words in English."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\nVietnamese here. The Cao(Cow) that you referring to is equivalent to \"Gao\" in Chinese.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gao_(surname)\n\nCao Cao's surname is called \"Tào\" in Vietnamese. \"Cao Cao\" is called \"Tào Tháo\"\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cao_(Chinese_surname)\n>>29\nKind of close. I'd say it's more like N-win. If you know French then the /Ng/ will be easier to pronounce"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n'Noogin' is the most common mispronounciation of any name I've ran into.\nEvery American over the age of 35 pronounces Nguyen like that."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\nTsao Tsao or something"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nI'd pronounce it ngoi'in, ng as in bang, oi as in oy vey, a glottal stop like bri'ish and then in like in, how wrong would that be?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>22\nnot him but i think cantonese is responsible for that"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nCanton sounds better than Guangzhou desu"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>15\njapanese romanization is easy because all of their phonemes fit without ambiguity into english if you ignore pitch (which japanese romanization does ignore)\n\ngood luck disambiguating \"j\" and \"q\" sounds using the latin alphabet in a natural-feeling way."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>17\nbased Anglos making chang language look like retard speak"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nIf you think Japanese phonemes are anything like English then you truly dekinai.\nhttps://youtu.be/51__B5u4FzU?t=78 [Embed]"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>7\n>Pinyin was not designed to cater to the intuitions of English speakers. In French orthography <ch> is pronounced like the English <sh>.\nYet pinyin [ch] and [sh] still appear to cater to English spelling conventions in some form.\n>There is no intrinsic connection between <ch> and the sound it makes in English.\nYet in French spelling it's made by simply adding a [t] as in Tchad."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish spelling can't even denote the English language proper keklmao.\nSlavic spelling would be best for Chinese transcription because we have similar sounds, like qing would just be ciń (because 'ci' combination is _always_ soft) - but that would confuse all you barbarians too."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nI didn't say they're the same you weeb. I said they have unambiguous mapping."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>oiseaux\n>it’s actually pronounced wazzo\nWe should annihilate the french"}, {"id": 47, "content": "My revised Pinyin scheme for conventional foreign use.\n\nJ\njīn\njyūn\n\nQ\nchīn\nchyūn\n\nX\nshīn\nshyūn\n\nZH\njhuān\n\nCH\nchuān\n\nSH\nshuān\n\nZ\ntzāo\n\nC\ntsāo\n\n-uī becomes -uēi\n-ūn becomes -uēn\n-iū becomes -iōu\n-ǖ is rendered -yū.\n-ǖn is rendered -yūn\nthe -ū final becomes -uū\nThe -i for the special seven initial consonants (zh, ch, sh, r, z, c, s) is rendered with -u\n\nSome renditions for names\n\nCao Cao > Tsao Tsao\nChongqing > Chongching\nCixi > Tsushi\nDeng Xiaoping > Deng Shiaoping\nFuzhou > Fuujhou\nGuangxi Zhuang > Guangshi Jhuang\nGuizhou > Gueijhou\nJiangxi > Jiangshi\nJiang Zemin > Jiang Tzemin\nMao Zedong > Mao Tzedong\nQin > Chin\nQing > Ching\nShenzhen > Shenjhen\nSun Tzu/Sunzi > Suentzu\nWu Zetian > Wuu Tzetian\nXi'an > Shi'an\nXi Jinping > Shi Jinping\nZhonghua > Jhonghua"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nSample lyrics\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRC70dUurI4 [Embed]\n\nJhēn chíng shiàng méi huā kāi guò\nLěng lěng bīng shyuě buù néng yān mò\nJiòu tzài tzuèi lěng jhū tóu jhàn fàng\nKàn jiàn chuēn tiān tzǒu shiàng nǐ wǒ\n\n[Chorus]\nShyuě huā piāo piāo běi fēng shiāo shiāo\nTiān dì yí piàn tsāng máng\nYì jiǎn hán méi ào lì shyuě jhōng\nJhǔ wéi yī rén piāo shiāng\nÀi wǒ suǒ ài wuú yuàn wuú huěi\nTsǔ chíng cháng lióu shīn jiān\n\n[Instrumental Solo]\n\n[Chorus]\nShyuě huā piāo piāo běi fēng shiāo shiāo\nTiān dì yí piàn tsāng máng\nYì jiǎn hán méi ào lì shyuě jhōng\nJhǔ wéi yī rén piāo shiāng\nÀi wǒ suǒ ài wuú yuàn wuú huěi\nTsǔ chíng cháng lióu shīn jiān"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n\"j\" unchanged poses problems since English readers sometimes read it the French way (as in \"je\"), and the letter \"j\" in general is all over the place in european languages (sometimes sounds like h, sometimes y)\n\nI think the use of \"y\" might also prompt the misreading as a separate syllable \"aye\"\n\nhow do the following look in your system?\n>qian, jian, quan, chuan, zhuan, zhan"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nI guess it would be chian, jian, chuan, jhuan, jhan\nThe allophones would therefore be ch/q and sh/x. I think it's an overall better tradeoff over the shortcomings of pinyin proper. Most readers that care to read romanized Japanese lyrics probably understand the intended sounds well enough that it probably wouldn't be much of a confusion since the rest of the sounds are still pretty simple/straightforward."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nBased and frogophobicpilled"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>>49\n*forgot to add chyuan for quan"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\nI like all except combining chi and qi."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\ni think I prefer\n\nzhi -> jhr\nchi -> chr\nshi -> shr\nr -> rr\nzi -> tz\nci -> ts\nsi -> ss\n\nno need to add a vowel to confuse the pronunciation when English readers already have relevant intuition (ba dum tss, tch, tsk, and so on)"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nYeah it's not easy finding suitable a way to render their sounds and others into Latin letters without generating some type of inconsistency. Past systems have also treated their sounds similarly."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nBut -r endings are reserved for erhua in pinyin. There would be no way to convey the vowel sound so you end up with Suentz and Tsshr instead of Suentzu and Tsushi."}, {"id": 57, "content": "how about we just force the chinese to use cantonese hou a?"}, {"id": 58, "content": "could use the slavic extensions\nx -> ś\nq -> ć\nr -> ż\nand so on. I bet cyrillic has some letters that could map to chinese consonants pretty well too, especially the central asian extensions."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nIt's called the Dungan alphabet.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_language#Writing_system"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nimagine if english was written in cyrillic instead of latin script.. would it be any better?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nFuthark would be more viable."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\ndoes it have enough symbols to handle all the french and latin influence?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause ch is taken by another sound. Chinese is impossible to write reasonably with an alphabet, as it has some 50 consonants, two vowels, and five tones. No existing alphabet is suited for this, and it may not even be possible to create any. Just learn the characters.\n>>5\nBoth are aspirated. Different place of articulation."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nIn that case it would be easier to add them as additional letters like the Old English alphabet."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nYou sound like you're confusing Chinese for Chechen."}, {"id": 66, "content": "It's tsing as in Tsingtao"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>12\n>>24\nThis isn't anywhere near the actual extent of the problem, as most pinyin letters still cover at least two sounds (and write excess vowels that don't exist. You wold need at least the following: (hope 4chan won't filter it out)\npʲ pʲʰ pʷ pʷʰ t tʰ tʲ tʲʰ tʷ tʷʰ k kʰ kʷ kʷʰ\nmʲ mʷ n nʷ nʲ nʲʷ l lʷ lʲ lʷ ʐ ʐʷ ŋʷ j ɥ w\nf s sʷ ɕ ɕʷ ʂ ʂʷ xʷ ħ~h\nt͡s t͡sʰ t͡sʷ t͡sʷʰ ʈ͡ʂ ʈ͡ʂʰ ʈ͡ʂʷ ʈ͡ʂʷʰ t͡ɕ t͡ɕʰ t͡ɕʷ t͡ɕʷʰ\nɐ ə"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nChechen is one which I think doesn't do this, but it's correct about the general area."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking why haven't blue collar working class people been leftist in the west? I thought the left were the champions of the working class?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe left doesn't have the sense to abandon their support of illegal immigration, and tranny issues. Working class people do not support these issues. Anyway, the left abandoned American working class people long ago because it was easily to take the corporate money, and their goal has been to replace the American working class with a new peasant class of foreign workers who do support them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe left, especially the modern left, champions a mythological ideal of what they think working class people should be and which doesn't exist in reality.\n\nI do have to love this pseudo-justification, though. The capitalist elite certainly brainwashed such people. You, on the other hand, so carefully brought up on Marxist narratives coupled with Critical Race Theory aren't indoctrinated, at all. All this talk about class conflict without realizing that he, himself, is part of the class that those blue collar workers should be lynching."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat’s because the ideas and values that define the modern left (beginning in the early 20th century) come from higher education where working class/blue collars are not typically found.\nIt partially was developed by the Frankfurt school, which focused more on on ideas of critical-theory and social philosophy and less focused on critiques of industrial society and the related economic conditions.\n\nMany things that the working class traditionally value has been deemed oppressive by modern leftists including national identity, family, and religion which is ironic because these are the things that give blue collars a sense of purpose. Therefore it is for that reason that leftism/Marxism is unpopular with blue collar people."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were until the mid-20th century or so. Then america adopted keynesianism (capitalism with state intervention in favor of workers) as a compromise, and the red scare occurred, so leftism died down among working class whites. Leftists only turned their ideology into an engine for non-white grievance politics from the 1960s onward."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThis, Marxism was an easier sell to working class people of the 19th century because of the hellish conditions that they endured. Once the government started regulating industry and made blue collar work less oppressive they became less inclined towards revolutionary ideologies like communism"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historically speaking"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYes, there hasn't really been any real threatening communist revolution in the west they've always been a fringe group with no real power"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThere was the Paris Commune, the Greek Civil War, and the American fear of Communists gaining power in post-war Italy."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFor more on Italy:\n\n>It became the second largest political party of Italy after World War II, attracting the support of about a third of the vote share during the 1970s. At the time, it was the largest communist party in the Western world, with peak support reaching 2.3 million members in 1947,[4] and peak share being 34.4% of the vote (12.6 million votes) in the 1976 Italian general election.[3] The PCI was part of the Constituent Assembly of Italy and the Italian government from 1944 to 1947, when the United States ordered a removal from government of the PCI and PS."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nGreece being a western country is a fucking meme."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe need to distinguish Old Left from New Left here. Working-class politics in most western countries was dominated by the Old Left until around the 1970s, with the relative conservatism of the United States being an exception."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe west has many embedded things which set it apart from leftist ideals. The west's firm belief in individualism, equality, and democracy as ideals have made it incompatible with leftist ideals. Additionally, most of the working class in the west have been treated well within the last 60 years and have enjoyed advancements most nations haven't experienced in their own."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI go to a protestant “church” where the demographics lean to high middle class and wealthy people, while I work in a factory literally making cars.\nTheir level of concern about abstractions that have no impact on the lives of most people is almost laughable were it not genuine, but it is genuine. Their blinders to what a normal life is for someone who doesn’t have a college degree is amazing.\nWe just live in different worlds. And from what I can tell of the little history that I know of, when you get a leftist leader that is truly working class they get taken out by those who have never worked a day in their lives, and those people are often easily bought and paid for."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nThe U.S. experienced the most intense labor struggles in the world in the late 19th century (May Day started to commemorate an event that occurred in Chicago). The Great Railroad Strike in 1877 led to St. Louis falling to a brief worker's government which persisted for about a week, absolutely freaked out the rich which castigated the strikes in their newspapers as a Paris Commune-type situation (which it basically was) sparked by \"German socialism\" (because lots of German immigrants ... think about that when people demagogue about immigrants), and one of the main groups involved was the Workingmen's Party, which was apparently led by followers of Lasalle, but also included Marxists and anarchists, and became a forerunner to the Socialist Party of Eugene Debs.\n\n>>5\n>Then america adopted keynesianism (capitalism with state intervention in favor of workers) as a compromise, and the red scare occurred, so leftism died down among working class whites. Leftists only turned their ideology into an engine for non-white grievance politics from the 1960s onward.\nIt was a carrot and stick. But you see what's going on here, \"class politics\" as such were \"co-opted\" first, while some on the New Left saw these new social movements as terrain for keeping a radical tradition alive at all, at the time. But some groups had real grievances, particularly blacks but also Native Americans which isn't talked about a lot. There was a group called AIM that seized Alcatraz Island.\n\nThere's a bridge though with the CPUSA in the 30s, which split from the Socialist Party, which was actually segregationist. People don't know this. The CPUSA wasn't, and so drew black members, because they didn't practice segregation while other parties did. After the Red Scare, many focused on the civil rights movement such that the liberal-controlled NAACP purged all white members at one point because they assumed if you were white and taking part then you were a communist."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nYep. They worry about passing bills to allow some troon to take a shit in the ladies room at the post office, yet they do nothing about the rising cost of housing and consumer goods. The prosperity the american working class has enjoyed in the late 20th century is at an end. Expect unrest and rioting in the coming decade if the United States government can't get a handle on this insane rise of inflation. Congress is going to have to raise the debt ceiling yet again just to keep from going under. I highly doubt the federals are going to dig themselves out of the mess they created anytime soon. Their inaction will create hardships Americans today aren't used to dealing with. The working class will seeth more and more until they've had enough and if you thought the unrest over George Floyd was bad you've seen nothing yet. You watch."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nAnd btw, they weren't wrong."}, {"id": 18, "content": "they have? they're usually the core of left-wing movements, even the recent \"decline\" is more like them going from 80-20 left to 60-40\nthey just don't have much in common with student nu-left types who'll fight for every cause under the sun and don't put proles' class interest first"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican workers were treated better than their Euro counterparts early on so the Union movement never became nearly as powerful.\n\nThat and Western leftism pretty much abandoning genuine socialism post Reagan in favor of corporate-fronted idpol."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>They worry about passing bills to allow some troon to take a shit in the ladies room at the post office\nUpper-middle-class people live in their own world but it's the GOP that is trying to hypnotize everybody by focusing on this tiny percentage of the population.\n\n>The prosperity the american working class has enjoyed in the late 20th century is at an end.\nBiden is trying to do this quasi-Keynesian thing to stimulate effective demand via infrastructure spending and subsidies to build manufacturing. Manufacturing construction spending is up quite a lot. I don't know if it'll work though. Labor unions in the U.S. are still quite weak and went into decline during the neoliberal era, but I think the neoliberal era really is dead and we're transitioning into a new economic regime which is kinda like a synthesis of Keynesianism and neoliberalism, it's something new but contains things from both.\n\nUnion efforts are really the only interesting thing I see happening on the U.S. left at the moment. But that can be positive over the long term.\n\nAlso, last thing, but the stereotype of the \"white trash\" poor with the backward mentality is largely a myth, and it has more to do with regional differences and regional poverty than it does with class on the whole. The ones you need to worry about are the managers who sit in their offices away from the multiracial mass of employees and who drive their lifted SUV to their quiet detached suburban house at the end of the day. They're the ones worrying about \"white genocide.\" The working class whites are already a lot more mixed together with other people and that ideology doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them. They are too busy and too tired to give the energy required to get sucked into reactoid memes beyond surface level.\n\nMostly just don't be like a DSA/SJW stereotype and talk about their interests and the interests of their family and neighbors/community."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>ones you need to worry about are the managers who sit in their offices away from the multiracial mass of employees and who drive their lifted SUV to their quiet detached suburban house at the end of the day. They're the ones worrying about \"white genocide.\"\nThat is absolutely delusional, professional/managerial whites don't give a fuck about le white genocide - if anything they're the ones mocking racists for being white trash losers seething that they can't compete with immigrants/asians. There's a reason that the Republicans are increasingly losing the suburbs and white professionals/university-educated whites, and it's not because they aren't shilling for race war hard enough lol"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nJust shows how stupid the working class is thinking those things are even issues, especially compared to how hard the system shits on everyone not in their club."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>it's the GOP that is trying to hypnotize everybody by focusing on this tiny percentage of the population\nMy brother in christ, my state just passed a law that makes me lose custody if I deny my underage children transgender drugs and surgery. Leftist is squandering its historic golden opportunity on this bullshit. Its funny, really"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>respect for people who live paycheck to paycheck\npeople who do that are just bad at planning\n\nI understand the second part about doing actual work but this is implying the guy only respects you if you are a proletariot and are bad at financial planning to the point that you don't save money in case something bad happens. I literally see this all the fucking time with redditors when strikes come up about how \"Oh I would strike but some of us don't have the savings\", and I'd be like \"bitch you live in the richest country in the world, you can scrap together a couple months pay to do a strike if it is that important, it is basically like a vacation but instead of going somewhere tropical to \"find yourself\" you have fun with your coworkers dabbing on your boss. You can definitely save up to do with if you aren't a moron."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\n>because lots of German immigrants ... think about that when people demagogue about immigrants\nAll you've done is convince that white immigrants are good. Think about that when people demagogue white supremacists. They definitely call German Socialism Nazism if they had a chance today retard."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n>it's the GOP that is trying to hypnotize everybody by focusing on this tiny percentage of the population\nHave you seen the Democratic Party lately?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\n>the liberal-controlled NAACP purged all white members at one point because they assumed if you were white and taking part then you were a communist.\nI would have taken this at a hint that the pro-segregation socialists were correct. The blacks were caught up with the whole \"talented tenth\" (black bourgeoisie) nonsense and when pressed on that it was actually changed to \"moral hundredth\" (black preachers). At the trajectory they were going they were going to settle on \"best thousandth\" for a black aristocracy, and I'm sure that the \"He died a Marxist\" WEB duBois was going to be king considered when criticized he only ever narrowed his focus, to eventually he was going to be the only one worthy of power.\n\nHey do you remember that really big shirt factory fire? They had a big strike just before and this is what the black organizations said about it.\n\nhttps://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/exhibits/show/heaven-will-protect/item/911\n\n>Prior to the strike of the waistmakers, Negro girls were not asked to join the union. They not being asked amounted practically to an exclusion from the union and the workshop. . . . More than that, we asked the philanthropic sponsor for the striking girls would the union admit Negro girls in the future without discrimination as to employment should they refrain from taking the positions now open. As yet we have received no such assurance. Could we therefore, in sense and justice, advise competent Negro girls, while idle and until now denied employment, to turn down this opportunity? Why should Negro working girls pull white working girls’ chestnuts out of the fire?\n\nNoticed how they weren't even excluded, they just say they were \"practically excluded\" by not being \"asked\" to join the union. Also pulling chestnuts out of a fire hehe."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>easily to take the corporate money, and their goal has been to replace the American working class with a new peasant class of foreign workers who do support them.\nImagine thinking that only leftist politicians aim to do this. What a fucking sad lot you are. You can't distinguish what they say from what they do."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why don't normal people support weird bullshit\nIdk"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>8\nBut /pol/ told me we already lived under Judeo-Commie-Trannyism.."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>20\n>The ones you need to worry about are the managers who sit in their offices away from the multiracial mass of employees and who drive their lifted SUV to their quiet detached suburban house at the end of the day. They're the ones worrying about \"white genocide.\" The working class whites are already a lot more mixed together with other people and that ideology doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them.\nFUCK OFF\nThe notion of replacement migration is the only idea of immigration that is actually based on material reality in that replacement migration is the original name of the idea of using immigration as a solution to an aging and declining population.\nhttps://press.un.org/en/2000/20000317.dev2234.doc.html\nBy denying this shit you are denying reality."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nHe never claimed that. There's a reason why Trump kept raving about \"the donors,\" even if he did end up taking semitic dollars especially for the general election, and drumming but the widespread disappointment people had with the Romney-era GOP.\n\nHowever, the left commonly uses anti-corporate rhetoric in their speeches and campaigns while being supported by practically every major corporation and their Blackrock provided funds."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nCapitalists brainwashed them. If not for those monopoly men, every plumber, mechanic, and miner would support drag queen story hour and children having the right to subject themselves to irreversible gender-reassignment surgery like every enlightened person."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnions overwhelmingly vote in favor of the Democrats"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nfox news propaganda and first world imperialism on other countries which separates the first world working class from the third world working classes. The working class is leftist outside of the anglosphere tho"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>2\n\nYou are a fascist petite bourgeoisie, not proletariat"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>4\nhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/dDklcIx7eAZN/"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nFor what reason would a petit-bourgeois have to oppose immigration?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>21\n>professional/managerial whites don't give a fuck about le white genocide\nSTEM have critical thinking capacity to give the most based takes.\n>There's a reason that the Republicans are increasingly losing the suburbs and white professionals/university-educated whites\nThis is not true. Universities just have increased number of none STEM degrees that do nothing that turn midwits in to leftwing loosers that do nothing to contribute to the society and leach wealth from the middle class and be parasites by infiltrating organizations.\n\nCan't wait for the working class to rise up and just cut their parasitical jobs forcing them to homelessness with their lack of real skill that true professional and tradesman have. It would be funny to see the now homeless and unemployable champagne socialist seethe and start their communist revolution with zero support only be be completely blown off by rightwing riot police."}, {"id": 40, "content": "They were the backbone of every major part of the left and center-left and still are in most countries. This is stronger in some countries (Spain, Nordics) and weaker than others (USA, France) but it's a fairly consistent pattern, even after decades of left parties acquiescing to market reforms."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nThere's more white collar professions than STEM, you realize this right"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>23\nWhich state? I want to help burn it to the ground."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\n>implying the middle class yuppies don't live having access to cheap brown uneducated labor that is I no way a threat to their economic, educational or cultural hegemony"}, {"id": 44, "content": "When you say \"historically\" do you mean \"since 1990\"?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does this country absolutely refuse to improve and throw off the shackles of despotism? Lesser peoples (I won’t name names but just look at the West Slavs and the Balkans) have done it and succeeded somewhat."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>throw off the shackles of despotism?\nLMAO."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's really cold there."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDespotism is the status quo its democracy that's an anomaly when you look at history."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>muh despotism\n>lesser people\nis it the age of the openly racist liberal?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYeah it's that weird but it's happening"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nHahahahhahaha oh nononononono ahahahahahahhahaa"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wonder if this conflict with Ukraine isn’t an effort into making a nation out of the distant Russians in the Far East who may be thinking of making it on their own"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>establish democracy in 1917\n>government continues the Tsar's war policies and now tries to sell it as good because they're fighting for freedom\n>establish democracy in 1991\n>government impoverishes the country worse than the Soviets and tries to sell it as good because they're transitioning to freedom"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nwest slavs learned ordnung from Germans\neast slavs learned tributary extortion from mongols\n\ncatholic church is independent from local governments\northodox church dependent and submissive to local government\n\nsimple as."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don't really understand people, never did, never really bothered to. I just know basic social etiquette, limits, and I operate within them to my advantage.\nPeople are pretty much comprised of layers upon layers of insecurities and coping mechanisms, and things like self-worth, fears, fear of mortality, things that make them feel wanted, loved, worthwhile, which pretty much translates into reproductive value, right?\nThere's also the urge to gather resources and secure a comfortable living for yourself and your progeny, a selfish side, greed that can spiral out of control into lust for items, positions, power, dopamine slavery.\nBut that's the animalistic side, and there's an intelligent, simian, human side as well, which, if developed, makes you strive towards personal goals and gives you a bullshit detector (gut), and a bigger picture of things, including mortality, and the ability to use everything animalistic in you to your advantage, cutting off shit that hinders you.\nSo, as a human being, you're always tackling these sides, these masks, you're all of them mixed into one.\nThat's pretty much the gist of how I view people, including myself. Makes sense, right? It's not a rhetorical question, I need an answer. I genuinely feel like this is pretty much what it boils down to. I think I pretty much figured it out."}, {"id": 2, "content": "We get it, you're a misanthrope."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nPretty much everyone is, no? Dog eat dog, all that? Doesn't mean you can't have positive interactions with them. I value genuine friendship."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow has this worldview treated you? Are you successful in the ways you want?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Yes. People are going to shit on you but I'm sure you're expecting it and already know exactly why. You can see the hurricane so drive in the opposite direction and enjoy life"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do you fix this shithole?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReturn it into a non-national monarchy."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGive it to china"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't. Your choices are a military dictatorship, a collapse into bickering ethnostates, or several genocides. Myanmar is currently as good as it can ever possibly be."}, {"id": 5, "content": "i have no idea what all the coups and juntas are about\nits one of those weird spots like guinea that you're not really sure if it exists or not and serves solely to be a buffer between relevant countries"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSome northern Myanmar minorities do want to be part of China actually as they have ethnic kin across the border and China is more stable than their current government.\n\nThe Wa State for instance has a lot of ties with crossborder Chinese Wa, runs a pseudo-communist secessionist regime patterned after the CCP, and even uses Chinese as a lingua franca when talking to outsiders."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Give it to Laos"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThere's also a literal Chinese ethnic group called the Kokang Chinese that live near the Wa and have their own paramilitary."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir best chance would've been to stay part of British India imo. It's unfortunate because Burma has a really cool and interesting culture unique from that of nearly all India, but at least they'd be (semi) stable if they remained Indian rather than splitting into their own colony in the 1937."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRainforest countries are always shitty"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI can't imagine a better way to unite the Burmese people 100% against India."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nMan I wish I had my own paramilitary."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThere would be a Burmese people anymore than there is a modern-day Odishan people or a modern-day Gujarati people. They'd just be an ethnic subgroup of a multicultural nation, and not even a particularly numerous one"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n*wouldn't be"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nLive your myth in Myanmar."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Reminder that you're claiming descent from a people that most closely resembled contemporary amerindians"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis tv show was called The First Swedes, and reminded Sweden that the first Swedes were black Africans. It's all a fairy tale you fucking gimp. It's professional shit posting, because they can't get financial support for saying true things."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat are you talking about you stupid monkey"}, {"id": 4, "content": "This constant obsession with Indo-Europeans, DNA and race is honestly the most tiresome shit"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd? Is this supposed to make us not shit on brown people for being poor dumb criminals?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThere's nothing else this board is interested in"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHmm... Still whiter than you keep seething."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nDude what"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\npoor guy"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing wrong with native americans. Its sand nigger / nigger blood that makes you inferior."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou seem kinda butthurt"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>inferior\nIn what regard?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nok"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nReply to this post if youre gay"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nI tried to write my post in as plain English as possible, which may be too difficult for the average Amerimutt these days. There's no proof that ancient Europeans looked black or like Amerindians."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Arent modern amerindians like half chinese? They are to ANE what nigerians are to algerians"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>ancient Europeans\nNigger they didnt even come from europe retard, learn some basic anthropology\n>no evidence\nExcept literal genetic continuity, most notably with the karitiana people of brazil\n>>17\nNo and this is obvious cope"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>Arent modern amerindians like half chinese? They are to ANE what nigerians are to algerians\nno doubt"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>No and this is obvious cope\nCope how? Amerindians are generally mdoeled as half east asian half ANE.\nTheir relation to ANE is like that of moroccan-nigerian mulattoes and algerians."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nHalf ANE is overwhelmingly more than the tops 10% europeans get"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol, it's much closer to southtroons than to amerindians, lmao even.\n>>21\nWith distances in models where amerindians got 50% ANE, Europeans are 100% ANE, lol."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nEuropeans get about 30%\nAnd ane was 70% cro magnon 30% jomon\nThe other 50% on amerindians is only related with 30% of ane ancestry. While the rest of european DNA is related to the 70% of ane ancestry"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropeans are closer to ANE than Amerinds panchito.\n\nYou are stinky\nBrown\nPart african\nHeavily basal\nMostly mongoloid\nAnd you have a pittance of ANS from when your beringian ancestors were raping Downie chinks of northern China."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSO?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nKaritiana have no genetic continuity with ANE, they have the most admixture (which is very little anyway) from Tianyuan, an archaic east Eurasian who spent his time fending off mongoloid hordes.\nTianyuan isn’t even related to ANE. It was a proxy for Salkhit and a bad one. Salkhit is closer to Africa than to Tianyuan and ANE can be modeled perfectly as Salkhit+early Gravettian"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nKys nafri iberian you are a nafri rapebaby"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nPost your brown cuban shitskin hand again Manolo you abandoned your thread yesterday"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>>28\nHoly shit look at these brown retards seethe. Conquistadors completely raped your goblino failed race into an ever more awful abomination.\nYou are turbo mutts of the worst kind.\n>part African\n>part Human (Spanish)\n>part indio\nLikely 3% monkey but it’s hard to distinguish from african and indio.\n\n>I am pure subhuman perubiano\nHAHAHAHHAHA\nLatwinx in South America like andean and mapuchinx are 2% literal australian Abo from Polynesian traders fucking your women in exchange for pineapples.\n\nIf all of you died tomorrow, no one would suffer, nature would heal, and your retarded culture would be used by schizos as proof that dwarfs and monkeys can build structure in imitation of humans.\n\nAlso the Cloud people of the Andes were said to be masters of all the Inca and they, according to the Spanish, had heavy beards, were of great height, fair skin, and had brown and yellow hair.\n\nIt’s so over you don’t even know you peanut headed mongrel"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>Also the Cloud people of the Andes were said to be masters of all the Inca and they, according to the Spanish, had heavy beards, were of great height, fair skin, and had brown and yellow hair.\nWE"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWords of the men who conquered them not mine"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nCite primary source saying that (1) they had light hair and beards and (2) they were \"masters of all the Inca.\""}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nSpanish account of them.\nDon’t hurt your paws as you etch another post seething lmao."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>amerindians\nbluepilled\ntry congolese chinese, arab, native american and mongol mix\nsee me after class"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't resemble Amerindians physically on pcas."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why would YHVH need a human sacrifice of himself in order to forgive his own creation?\n\nEphesians 5:2\n>and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.\n\nEspecially considering he outlaws ritual filicide in the O.T.\n\nDeuteronomy 12:29-31\n>When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, take heed that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do likewise.’ You shall not do so to the Lord your God; for every abominable thing which the Lord hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.\n\nIt seems a bit confusing that YHVH would only be appeased by the exact same kind of human sacrifice he specifically tells his followers not to do."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">god of neurotic desert kikes\n>mentally sound"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnderstanding that God is hung on a tree and that you played a role in his crucifixion (being part of the world that did this to him), sanctifies you, thus allowing you to be forgiven."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe crucifixion is not a sacrifice to himself but to mankind.\nGod is trying to make it even clearer that scapegoating is BS by putting himself in the role of the scapegoat, which is consistent with him telling us earlier to stop human sacrifice.\nThat's one of the main thesis of René Girard if you want to explore the theory a little more."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nRene Girard is a retard and has nothing to do with the church"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI was going to say something along these lines. I think penal substitution is a low-level understanding of the crucifixion. OP is right, God doesn't 'need' anything to forgive us; it was totally gratuitous, like all of God's acts towards us. Essentially, it was God's ultimate act of solidarity with his suffering creation. It was meant to change our minds about God, not vice-versa."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nMakes sense, the jews are so obsessed with scapegoating, even to the point of believing they can scapegoat their sins onto other innocent creatures and somehow trick God into not counting their scapegoated sins,\nwhere believing to be able to trick God is a blasphemy in itself, pure arrogance of believing of being greater than or having control over God\n\nSo God just fuck around with the scapegoating jews, and scapegoats himself, but in a different way then the jews\n\nThe jews scapegoat others to push onto others their jewish sins\nWhile God scapegoats himself to get the sins of others on himself, basically God sacrifices himself for others, but since God is perfect the sins he gets from others are nullified, as only God can forgive and truly nullify/erase sins (sins = errors, mistakes, failures)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere a better meme, the talmud is more wild with pure jewish bullshit"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe emperor’s new groove was ruined by talking squirrels and the Ezma bot being a Boy Scout and like a perfect educated drone that does everything for everyone. If they had simply made him strong and smart with a few imperfections it would have been fine, no one is that perfect though.\nEven Jesus Christ was accused of being a winebibber and a glutton and John the Baptist was accused for being a long fast.\nIf you are posting Disney cartoon memes and calling God acronyms abreviations it means you are antichrist and won’t admit you sinned by watching tv especially with how bad and gay Disney takeover is now.\nYou then post a verse almost like you answering your own question. Then you wonder why God can just do whatever He wants but you equate an ongoing thing of burning their sons and daughters to a ONE TIME THING once and for all where Jesus did it willingly as an adult which was accepted to pay the price for sin.\nIt’s not confusing at all to anyone who sees that perpetual human sacrifice is not a good thing and what God did for you, is."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThe crucifixion is not a sacrifice to himself but to mankind.\nEphesians 5:2\n>and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.\n\nHe's literally described as a sacrifice to God. Your interpretation isn't Biblical.\n>>9\n>God sets the example against human sacrifice by hinging his forgiveness of humanity on a human sacrifice\nDo you see how retarded that sounds?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Half of the posts here are screeching heavily opinionated statements and 99% of the time are backed up by nothing. The complete opposite of what studying history is meant to be.. either way, it’s still fun to scroll."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Containment board for people that think they're too good for /x/\n& Humanities being added to the board was a GTFO sign for anyone interested in /his/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's a good alternative?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">shitjak\n>itoddler"}, {"id": 5, "content": "As an AI language model, I do not have opinions or emotions, but I can provide you with some insights on the topic you asked.\n\nThe 4chan website is known for being an anonymous online forum where users can post and discuss various topics, including history. However, the nature of the forum means that anyone can post whatever they want, and there are few restrictions on the content that can be shared.\n\nThis lack of moderation can lead to a proliferation of posts that are heavily opinionated and not backed up by any evidence or sources. Additionally, the anonymity of the forum can lead to users feeling emboldened to post provocative or offensive content.\n\nWhile it may be entertaining to scroll through the posts on the history board, it is important to remember that the information shared there may not be reliable or accurate. If you are interested in studying history, it is recommended to seek out reputable sources and scholarly works that have been peer-reviewed and vetted by experts in the field."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nHumanities is too wide of a term.. could include everything from psychology to social work, to culinary arts and poetry. I like discussing societal structures and culture still, anthropology and sociology are cool, but that’s my personal opinion.\n>>3\nUnsure, there are some Reddit spaces but, well, you know. You have to deal with redditors."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThank you AI language model you are correct, from now on I will only browse JSTOR for historical discourse"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is this true?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Commies were the real nazis. Also hitler was vegetarian basedcuck."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif it wasn't for Molotov Ribbentrop Germany literally couldn't have invaded France let alone the ussr. Also the raw materials like oil would be later used against them.\nAlso Because of the molotov-ribbentrop pact, when the soviets invaded Poland they then had a new border with Nazi German making all their previous border defenses completely redundant.\n\nMiles of Bunker networks, pre-sighted artillery positions, minefields and trenches all rendered useless. Worse still the Red army naturally moved into occupied Poland but without all those defenses made their ability to put up a fight far worse."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou forgot the part where commucucks had to be saved by the lend lease act"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Abraham was not a real, historical figure. He never existed.\n\nKind of funny that the namesake of Abrahamic religions was a phony, don’t you think? Just like everything about these cults."}, {"id": 2, "content": "im real"}, {"id": 3, "content": "What's worse is that jews and Muslims will say this about Zoroaster, that he came around 600 BC or so, when we know that Abraham (if he did exist, and there's far less literature about it from ancient and classical times, Read: none whatsoever) is that he came from UR of the CHALDEES, which means he can't have come from before 800 BC."}, {"id": 4, "content": "your mom isn't real"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus was not a real, historical figure. He never existed.\nKind of funny that the namesake of Christianity was a phony, don’t you think? Just like everything about these cults."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nChecked I'm glad my ai art has been put to good use!"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Europa was not a real, historical figure. She never existed.\n\nKind of funny that the namesake of Europe was a phony, don't you think? Just like everything about the countries in it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNobody is claiming Europe is a divine revelation of God except maybe some funny white nationalist paganlarps"}, {"id": 9, "content": "To everyone in this bait thread:\nSubstantiate your claims."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>except maybe some funny white nationalist paganlarps\ndo you know what website you're on bro?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNo I don't think I will"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>because we don't have the bones of some nomad from 4000 years ago means he didn't exist!!!"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Does the bible say he was real?\nThen he's real. Get with the program"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nYou know Abraham didn't write Genesis right?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAll other religions are mythology except mine!"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlways a weird story to idolize to me because it implies that ancient proto hebrews practiced child or general human sacrifice until Abraham was explicitly told not to do that.\nMakes me think of the King Soloman story where he was so wise for threatening to cut a baby in half and fortunately one woman was a psycho who said \"eh, cut it in half\" and he realized that she just might not be mom material"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nHe didn't write anything. He never existed."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nWrong."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nProof???"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nThat's a work of Greco Roman fiction."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>cults\nCults exist around people and even people like Jim Jones can form a cult imagine being so retarded"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoubt it. As an E1b man, I wouldn't exist if he wasn't real."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Genesis is Greco-Roman"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nCorrect."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI heard the old \"Plato copied Moses\" theory before but not the reversed version."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nMoses never existed."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nPeople never existed"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nKeep it together now."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbraham is not a historical figure yes. He's a legendary ancestor. That doesn't necessarily mean he didn't exist..\n\n>some bumfuck aramean moves into canaan\n>establishes some sort of clan\n>by chance this clan's stories become popular and become part of the shared Israelite idenity\nThere, you have a plausible \"historical\" Abraham. But even this version is just conjecture."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThe historical Abraham is the biblical Abraham"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nNo. You may believe all of that is written about him is true, but that is not history. You're using a completely different methodology: divine revelation, moreso the belief that that document contains divine revelation.\n\nHistorians do not hold up different holy books as entirely divinely inspired. They critically analyze those books and accept some parts if they meet the bar. Biblical stories have been independently verified, like Meshe's revolt.\n\nGenesis, however, is full of anachronisms that make it clear that it was written hundreds of years after Abraham with no direct knowledge beyond potentially oral tradition. For example, Abraham and Isaac both interact with a Philistine king called Abimelech. Thing is philistines were not in Canaan when Abraham would have lived. Philistines entered Canaan in the 12th century B.C. We have greek pottery show up in coastal cities raized to the ground and rebuilt by new settlers. You don't find any such strong markers of settlement from the mediterrean islands/greece before the 12th century BC. We have Egyptian accounts of fighting the \"Sea peoples\", one of which was the Peleset (Philistines). The Egyptian accounts say that the Peleset settled in Canaan at this time, coinciding with the Bronze age collapse."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>Historians do not hold up different holy books as entirely divinely inspired\nSounds like a them problem.\n>Thing is philistines were not in Canaan when Abraham would have lived\nAre you absolutely certain about that?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Are you absolutely certain about that?\nBy all evidence we have, yes. We can never 100% rule out about anything, but the by far most likely reason that Philistines appear in Abraham's story, which according to biblical chronology would have been around the same period as the Akkadian empire, despite all lack of evidence of them being there until almost a full millennia later, is that this is an anachronism.\n\nEven by the traditional authorship of Genesis to Moses, this would place Genesis being written in the 14th century BC, still over 600-700 years after Abraham's life."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>By all evidence we have\nWhat about biblical evidence?\n>this would place Genesis being written in the 14th century BC, still over 600-700 years after Abraham's life.\nAnd I would agree that this would be somewhat problematic if Genesis were an ordinary book."}, {"id": 35, "content": "I'm sitting here sodomizing God with laughter. And my cock"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Name one single greatest speech in history\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlKJDwViNKs [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou already named the best one and now the rest are all gonna be Hitler posts."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis voice is way to high pitch to take it seriously. I refuse to believe he sounded like some whiny baby bitch."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI dont think thats suppose to sound like him lmao, its literally in English"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nEnglish won history."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAlexander spoke the Queen's English."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why aren't wars of extermination like the Eastern Front more common (as opposed to limited wars)?\n\nFor example, consider the Barbary Slave Trade. You would think that given the hundreds of years of irritating slave-raiding and raping white women the nafris did, a European ideological movement would have gone out of their way to simply physically exterminate all algerians or even create a cult dedicated to sacrificing every algerian - however the most the French did was settle it.\n\nWhy aren't wars of extermination more common?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably because most people are that willing for total extermination even back then, that and it just creates total war scenarios that are not needed, especially when most colonies were just dick waving contests, hell it back fired for the Nazis simply because it just kept producing enemies for them"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell, you had the Russians exterminating the Circassians a few decades later than the beginning of France's conquest of Algeria."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>hell\npeople who needlessly say \"hell\" to explain things are always some of the dumbest and most annoying motherfuckers around"}, {"id": 5, "content": "The Turks organized the first industrial genocide against the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians 30 years before the Germans. In fact the idea of the Germans and Turks was the same, but the Germans organized their genocide in such a way that it would be a \"secret\" for the larger German civillian populace. Thus campaigns of extremination are more often than not waged internally or in surrounding regions of an imperialist country in order to produce a \"clean body\" of a national state."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmpires ran out of room to expand in the 20th century. Before that, it usually wasn't either/or, and while Barbary pirates kidnapping and raping some of your people might be irritating, the more dispassionate heads of state might just send some warships to teach them a lesson so they don't do it again.\n\nGermany's plan was world domination, but that didn't necessarily mean painting the whole map of the world in their colors, but being the world dominant power, but there was no more room to expand like in the wars of colonial powers, so it went existential. And that ultimately resulted in a destruction of the old colonial system, and a post-war scenario where Britain and France were forced to accept a second-rank status, and that Germany would have to accept that being the unrivaled badass country in the world in the form of a single state was beyond its power."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "With rumors flying that Grant's troops were turning into an undisciplined mob in the aftermath of Ft. Donelson that had taken to uncontrolled rapine and pillage of the Tennessee countryside, Halleck dashed off this indignant telegram to McClellan on March 3, 1862.\n\n\"I have had no communication with General Grant for more than a week. He has left his command without my authority and went to Nashville. His army seems to be as much demoralized by the victory of Fort Donelson as was that of the Potomac by the defeat at Bull Run. It is hard to censure a successfuly general immediately after a victory but I think he richly deserves it. I can get no returns, no reports, no information of any kind from him. Satisfied with his victory, he sits down and enjoys it without any regard to the future. I am worn out and tired with this neglect and inefficiency. C.F. Smith is almost the only officer equal to the emergency.\"\n\nMcClellan replied that Halleck had his full permission to take necessary steps.\n\n\"The future success of our cause demands that proceedings such as Grant's deserve at once to be checked. Generals must observe discipline as well as private soldiers. Do not hesitate to arrest him at once if the good of the service requires it and place C.F. Smith in command. You are at liberty to regard this as a positive order if it will smooth your way. I appreciate the difficulties you have to encounter and will be glad to relieve you from trouble as far as possible.\""}, {"id": 2, "content": "To show that Halleck had full backing from the top down for anything he might do, the dispatch was co-signed by Secretary Stanton. Halleck wasn't done yet. On March 4, he sent McClellan the following message.\n\n\"A rumor has just reached me that since the taking of Fort Donelson General Grant has resumed his former bad habits. If so it will account for his neglect of my oft-repeated orders. I do not deem it advisable to arrest him at present but have placed General Smith in command of the expedition up the Tennessee. I think Smith will restore order and discipline.\"\n\nOn the same day he gave Grant the first warning that he could be in trouble.\n\n\"You will place Major General C.F. Smith in command of the expedition and remain yourself at Fort Henry. Why do you not obey my orders to report the strength and positions of your command?\"\n\nThis dispatch came a mere 16 days after the unconditional surrender of Ft. Donelson."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nPemberton was ordered to abandon Vicksburg, he chose not to.\nHis officers asked if they could dig in, fortify a perimeter, and make raids on the enemy, he said no.\nHe watched as Grant bumbled his away to invest the fort.\nThen Pemberton surrendered on the fourth and demanded his men be released and as a condition, Grant accedes, Grant then goes on to throw Chickamauga because the men parolled beat the shit out of his army a month later."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\nso Grant gets the first substantiative Union victory of the war with Ft. Donelson and the catty Halleck, Buell, and McClellan wanted to knife him just then. of course they were resentful that he beat them to that milestone. also all of them would have liked to take their sweet old time with the war and Grant's victory made things start to move a little too fast for their liking. Buell was especially seething as Grant got promoted to major general and thus outranked him."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Imagine the smell"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Built for BBC"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Telling a known adulterer not to bathe\n\nWhat was Napoleon thinking? Was he a legit cuck?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "A man of culture."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYes. He also had an ARABD fetish and enjoyed listening to his soldiers telling about being raped by Arabs."}, {"id": 6, "content": "french rhymes with stench"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>5\nWhat a heartless asshole for not allowing these men to avenge their honor on the populace."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrotting hussar cum\n\nprobably had mushrooms growing out of her cunt"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Bros what does an unbathed woman smell like?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nbags of sand"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So which church is the \"true\" church, exactly?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "None of them. God doesn't exist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe one in your mind where you accept the fact that god has been directly speaking to you for your entire life"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery church with the true gospel and sacraments.\n>>2\neuphoric"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Every church with the true gospel and sacraments\nWhich are?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoman Catholic."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nRead the bible Anon"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Three senses of the term church\n\n>1\nLiterally, a congregation, an ekklesia. There are countless congregations of Christians ordering their government on the biblical model with greater and lesser success. If anything this should be the primary sense.\n>2\nA broader communion of particular churches. The episcopal church. The presbyterian church in America.\nThis is an abstraction of the concept of the church but usually called a church because it's functioning in the governmental structure of its constituent parishes. This sense of \"church\" is normal but there's not an instance of the biblical term used in this way (depending on your interpretation of new testament episkopos)\n>3\nThe entire church. All the elect, living and dead. This is the sense meant by Christ when he says \"on this rock I will build my church\"\nThe last two can be called \"visible\" but this is called the \"invisible\" church, because it's not possible to keep a roll of every true believer.\n\nThe \"true church\" isn't a concept to be found in the bible or really one that comes up in premodern church history, it's more about true and false doctrine. Arius and his followers were condemned as anathema and their worship was viewed as illegitimate for example.\nIt's worth saying that a church can be wrong about plenty of things and still be a church of Christ, just like Christians can be wrong about many things and still be Christian. The location of the line is hard to draw. It's definitely not as far as using a guitar in worship and it's before unitarianism.\n\nIts also worth saying that the roman catholic church is but the largest member of her communion, the catholic church\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_particular_churches_and_liturgical_rites?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nRome is a false church."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDid I ask?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou should have if you're gonna bring Rome up in a thread about the true Church"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmine\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\ndon't listen to these guys"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nbasically"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe whole world in a communion of love."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Catholic Church."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nRedpill me on Lutheranism. Aren't they really liberal these days?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThere are multiple Lutheran denominations, and they vary in how conservative or liberal they are."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nWhich is best? What is the worship like?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nhttps://youtu.be/99fmOmlcF0c [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEastern Orthodox"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nBased. More Protestants need to reclaim the term Catholic. If I'm not mistaken it's in all our confessions, and the reformers never surrendered the term to Rome. They always used it in reference either to the early Church or to themselves, and referred to their opponents as papists or Romanists."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nYes there are churches that call themselves Lutheran that are extremely Lutheran. But they aren’t even Christian let alone Lutheran. They are LINO. Lutherans in name only. They reject the confessional document that defines Lutheran doctrine. The confession is called the Book of Concord which contains documents like the Augsburg Confession, Luther’s small and large catechism, and others. So if you want to know more about our doctrine. Then I would suggest starting there."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n*extremely liberal."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUFvA9Dr0bA [Embed]\n\nWatch this and decide for yourself."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>That title\n>Channel name is Redeemed Zoomer\nI'm not watching this bullshit"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nseething"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYour intuition is correct. Redeemed zoomer is a retard. He thinks conservative Christian Protestants should reconquista liberal mainline churches. And that it okay to commune at those churches In an attempt to save them because they have prettier churches and history."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nThis zoomer is really pulling numbers\n\n>>27\nWhat's the issue"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nFirst off I think you’re jeopardizing your salvation communing at those churches in an attempt to save them. Secondly You’re weakening the churches that have remained more orthodox by leaving them. Thirdly I think it’s impractical and impossible to succeed. There’s no saving the mainline American Protestant churches from theological liberalism and higher criticism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Goring the funniest Nazi?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompared to modern leaders like Biden molesting kids on camera or Macron showering with black guys? I mean what was the funniest thing goring did besides being fat for a while?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah, that would be Himmler."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes being a fat fuck with a medal fetish make someone funny?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nHe once waved his marshal's baton over his underwear and proclaimed \"I am promoting my underpants to overpants!\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot even close."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>is the size of a bear\n>named goring"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">atheists only deny God because deep down they know he's real\nDoes that mean that deep down, Christians believe trannies are real women?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Trannies exist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat's up with narrow faced low t males becoming trannies?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMental illness"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHuh? wouldn't your argument only make sense if you meant trannies deny being men?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Any Southern European Mediterranean, Slavic, or Baltic individual who is a White nationalist is a useful idiot no different from good goys that want to die for Israel. You are a cuckold who support people who think you are inferior and would never include you in their in-group.\n\nBasically, they see you as useful idiots, and will pretend to be the same race as you in polite company, but deep down they think they are superior and that you are mongrelized bastards. You'd have to be masochistic to have anything to do with that. They are all rabid Nordicists, just more pragmatic and with better manners than those from the past to avoid alienating people like you and get your support while silently thinking you are lesser, inferior mongrels. But eventually, the truth does come out. Ask any 1488er what they actually think of people from Southern Italy, Bulgaria, Russia, or Greece, all that \"pan European pro-white unity\" will vanish and the truth comes out: they think you are subhuman and they have all sorts of fake Nordicist history and HBDer talking points about \"muh Hajnal line\" and how Eastern Europe was uncivilized and required German overlords to create a functioning state or how Meds are mongrels in order to justify the racial superiority of Germanics.\n\nIf you still want to be a \"White nationalist\" or a \"pro-white\" after that then be my guest. In my view, you should have a little self-respect instead of cucking to people that hate you. Even Oswald Mosley, the most pan-European Fascist of the time by far, did NOT include the Slavic people as part of the European race and \"our people\". They were considered Asiatic savages. That's to say nothing of Hitler talking about how Southern Italian people are \"racially degenerated\" and how Russia required a German ruling class because the Slavs themselves lacked \"political abilities\" and were an inferior race. You should support your own in-group rather than give your loyalty to autistic spergs that think you are subhuman."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOfficial spokesperson for the National Socialist party here. Everyone whose ancestors are from Europe, are European and White.\nMaltese, Finns, Americans, and New Zealanders. All White\n>b-b but\nNo more questions. Let’s unite against the jew and remove the foreigners.\n\nSimple as."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">blubber blubber blubber\n\nNow that Moshe is done with the pilpul, the truth is everyone from Europe will be attacked by legislation and vicious informal forces for being white. White nationalism isn’t about genocide, it’s about mutual self defense and all folx of European decent should participate."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\neven niggers on twitter know italians aren't white"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNiggers on twitter are the last people on earth anyone should listen to"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nYou're not White"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite nationalist isn't the same thing as a Nordic supremacist. Hitler wasn't a white nationalist. Hell, he even believed there were subraces amongst the German people and that the best of those would rise to the top in his society but that such a fact should best be concealed to ensure public German unity."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf affirmative action works against you on a job/university application then you're white to me."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Stop being linguisticaly confused"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What do you mean?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGood question"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Wittgenstein was sexually confused"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate Wittgenstein with every ounce of my being"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Found out that Satan's real name is Samael."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCongratulation your imaginary friend has a new name!"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSatan is a proper name. Always capped. Read your bibles sonny."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSatan's real name is yeshua"}, {"id": 5, "content": "It's Lucy"}, {"id": 6, "content": "https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=Long&q1=Satan"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHaSatan has several aspects. His chief male aspect is that of Samael, which is also the guardian angel of the Christians.\nHis chief female aspect is that of Lilith, which is associated with Islam.\n\nRead Pirkei de-Rabbi Eliezer, Sefer HaBahir and Genesis Rabbah if you want to know more details."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is modernity so ugly? What happened?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's not about beauty, it's about efficient allocation of resources"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrnamentation became cheap.\nThen in the minds of the intelligentsia, ornamentation became tacky.\nThen in the minds of the intelligentsia, ornamentation became trite."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis country is too wasteful for this cope to hold up any longer."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt appears there's only one person coping here, my friend. You're right though, doubling down on our extravagance will help us cut down on our extravagance"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen sewage pumps first came around they were an accomplishment, they had to garner support in parliament and impress rich people to justify it and so they made it look good, now they are a mundanity, no one bothers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHe’s a tiny hat trying to demoralize you so you won’t care when they attach a gigantic glass penis to a 400 year old building."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Keep donating to the church, I'm sure your leaders are working on it lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhat does that have to do with anything? Who are you talking to?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFeeling targeted?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Later projects, such as St. Rita's Church in Harelbeke (1961), deSingel in Antwerp (from 1959), are examples of refined Brutalism , and a tribute to Le Corbusier.\n\n>Le Corbusier remains a controversial figure. Some of his urban planning ideas have been criticized for their indifference to pre-existing cultural sites, societal expression and equality, and his alleged ties with fascism, antisemitism, eugenics,[9] and the dictator Benito Mussolini have resulted in some continuing contention.[10][11][12][13]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>and his alleged ties with fascism, antisemitism, eugenics, and the dictator Benito Mussolini\n.../ourguy/?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njews won WWII, everyone else lost"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nYou are all psychopaths that live in a constant state of victimhood you then project on innocent people. You cause mass chaos and hate and then project it into people who otherwise would have none. This is why you are hated eternally."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>>2\n>>3\n>>6\nYour answer, in so many words"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nIrony"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThis is how little reflection you have. It is a sign of an malicious spirit. No empathy, no mercy, yet understands the concept to use it as a weapon against people.\nI hate psychopaths."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nEngineers vs Architects. they hate each other.\nArchitects want a work of art\nEngineers want functionalism\nThe modernist architectural movement was started by engineers because they hated architects because they believed buildings should only contain practical features. Basically everything Le Corbusier believed in."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>here's your practical, sensible building, bro"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nYou're a narcissist."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>u mad bro"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nAbsurd.\nYou are a snake that speaks.\nLeave people alone for once."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCapitalism happened"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nWhat's absurd about it? You have unmitigated main character syndrome."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThere is a disconnect somewhere in your putrid, evil brain where you are incapable of recognizing projection. It’s common with your kind.\nNone of us are characters, we are real. Do you understand this or is the world your dollhouse?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nDo you imagine yourself as some old testament character swelling with righteous wrath?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI believe I am getting deep underneath your scales. Merely mentioning the people are mortal and innocent sends you into a flying rage as you believe they are animals and slaves to be manipulated and fucked with. Continue to compare me to righteousness. I hate psychopaths."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nbased anon, that other anon sounds like such a piece of shit his parents stopped talking to him or having any hope in him"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMetal constructs look soulless by default compared to stone or wooden ones. Compare a metal table to a stone one vs a wooden one the stone and wooden table look more appealing to you"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>11\nWow! Do you mean to say that the architectural embodiment of the Jewish spirit was designed by a fascist?! Who would have thought????"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nI would surmise his parents nurtured this in him. They are a different species than you and I. He seems like the kind of person that would transfer his sins into an animal and then kill it to clear his conscious."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>He seems like the kind of person that would transfer his sins into an animal and then kill it to clear his conscious.\nkek, my thoughts exactly\n>why are we hated?\nthey never learn"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nFlying rage? Read my comments and then read yours, and try to view them as impartially as possible."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nYou are attacking my character by implying I have delusions of grandeur for telling you the true statement that the people are mortal and innocent.\nYou are a coward. A malicious, evil coward who wants to twist the world and as you can see, we all see your reflection even though you can not."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>You are attacking my character by implying I have delusions of grandeur\nI don't see how anyone could see your comments any conclude anything different."}, {"id": 36, "content": "These threads are pure poison. I'll enjoy what I want. And I don't have like bulky, stodgy, old shit."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nYou have not once implied you agree with the statement “the people are mortal and innocent”.\nYou have projected into me that I am a “narcissist with main character syndrome” on multiple occasions because your only social context to other people is being the center of the universe.\nThe kind of evil you represent, the kind of evil nurtured in you, is reaching it’s end. We can see inside you from a million miles away with our eyes closed."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>We can see inside you from a million miles away with our eyes closed.\nsecond"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nAnon, I can tell you why I think you're a narcissist. It's simply because whenever you see a comment that upsets you, you weave it into this grand narrative in your head where the forces of darkness (people you don't like, i.e. ontologically evil demons in human skin) are constantly conspiring against you, but at the same time are on the brink of being defeated and getting their cosmic comeuppance served to them while you end up completely and utterly vindicated."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like them both. A lot of modern churches use modernism badly and end up feeling lacking in the monumentality of say, gothic architecture, but that cathedral actually captures it really well."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nI’m not sure you have a good understanding of the English language.\nI am not above all, I am not above my brothers, I am not above my sisters. I merely exist in protest to malicious forces. A narcissist does not pedestal the innocent for no gain to himself, a narcissist only engages in acts that benefit him.\n\nI would also like to add, for the small audience browsing this thread, this anon has not agreed with the statement “the people are mortal and innocent”. Even after being given multiple opportunities to. This means he thinks you aren’t innocent. This means he thinks you are his to manipulate.\n\nThese people hate you. These people want to kill you. They want to torture you, they want to manipulate you, and they want to enslave you. There are many like him, and their immoral nature propels them to positions where they can engage in truly evil acts.\n\nMy advice to the majority of the world, the good and innocent people in this world, is to treat your fellow man well and set an example for righteousness to be followed."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nYou are \"pedestaling the innocent\" because you're once again weaving your interaction on a mongolian basket weaving board into a grand cosmic narrative. And once again, in this narrative I'm ontologically evil and want to torture and kill innocent people because... Because I called you a narcissist.\nThe lack of self awareness is staggering."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nnobody likes them, and they know that, that's why're so hardcore in damage control, attacks against them are happening as we speak through the whole world\nthey never learn"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere is that cathedral, it looks cool actually"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nFaggot"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe cathedral looks badass desu. Only bad thing about it is the altar which is incongruous. It should be in a similarly futuristic style."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nNothing about it looks futuristic. It looks like the bottom of a giant concrete pipe"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nHeterosexual"}, {"id": 49, "content": "The cathedral looks purposely dressed-down"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>12\nBack to /pol/."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you could jump jn a time machine and go back to any point in history to have your way with women of any place and epoch, what would you choose?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he has to rape women to get his cock touched\nWhy are cow worshippers like this"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy does it have to be rape? Why can't it be consensual sex with any woman in history?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "your mom"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why do you propose this scenario as if it would be free of consequences? What if you get caught and now you're stuck in an ancient Roman prison?\nalso get help"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Josephine..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nBro just get in your time machine and escape, the fuck?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo back to 2014, don’t rape any women though, invest all my money into bitcoin, retire and have consensual sex with my wife"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nHow are you gonna escape the prison cell and get back to the time machine?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo back very far, use my modern technology to appear as a god, glorify big bunda, impregnate as many women with big bunda as I can. Move forwards a few decades. Impregnate as many women with big bunda as I can. Interfere in the genepool for bigger and bigger bunda. Continue this process until sufficient thickness is achieved."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Rape is lame. The best part of sex is the mutual attraction and the buildup of lust that resonates between you two."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nneanderthal women"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nur mom XD"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nYour 2 sentences are unrelated"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does the far right call him a terrorist?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he's a nigger"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I think anybody that actually does any research into blacks nationalists like him will realize they are dangerously stupid people"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nMugabe was a wise man"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nas opposed to all the other kind of nationalists?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The fact that the ANC/MK carried out bombings, including of civilian targets is fully documented and acknowledged.\n\nAndrew Zondo for example, was executed for his role in the ANC's 1985 bombing of the Amanzimtoti Sanlam shopping centre which killed five and injured forty civilians.\n\nThanks to the activism of ANC veterans, a number of public facilities in the country have been renamed in Zondo's honour, including Andrew Zondo Primary School and Zondo Road.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Zondo\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanzimtoti_bombing\n\nNow, it is not so obvious that Mandela personally ordered attacks like in Amanzimtoti, but he did sign off on other MK operations, such as the Church Street Bombing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Zondo reacted furiously at the time because so few people died in the attack. He was arrested shortly thereafter and appeared in the Natal High Court before Judge Ramon Leon. Although Judge Leon was against the death penalty, he was unable to find any mitigating circumstances and therefore handed down the death sentence. The sentence was later upheld by the Court of Appeal. Ramon Leon’s son, Tony Leon, would later become the leader of the opposition under the ANC government, where members of Parliament of the ANC tried to discredit him as a result of his father’s handling of the Zondo matter.\n\n>In 1999, Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma declared before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission:\n>“The depth of our humanity is illustrated by the fact that the judge, who had the discretion to hang or not to hang a young revolutionary like Andrew Zondo is still a judge, and his progeny enjoys the direct fruit of the very freedom that Andrew Zondo died for.”\n\n>The Amanzimtoti bomb attack happened only a few months after the ANC’s policy conference in Kabwe, Zambia. The leadership of the ANC, under the leadership of O.R. Tambo, formally decided at this conference that the ANC no longer had to distinguish between hard and soft targets in its military operations. Shortly thereafter, a series of murders were committed on innocent people. The Amanzimtoti bomb was only of these. Another well-known example was the Messina landmine attack, in which the Van Eck and De Nysschen families were killed.\n\n>During the making of the documentary film Tainted Heroes, I questioned General Siphiwe Nyanda, former Chief of Staff of Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK), the ANC’s military wing, about the hero worship of Zondo. Nyanda explained: “The fact that Andrew Zondo was engaged in such an act, does not make him an outcast in our own vocabulary. He is still our hero, he is still a hero, I agree.”\n\nhttps://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/the-amanzimtoti-bombing-thirty-years-on"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he fucked with the movie Shazam."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>muh far right\n\nAnyone with intellectual integrity calls him a terrorist, the difference is niggers and cucks praise him for it\n\nHis regime should be censured for the damage it’s done to Asians"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWho cares about gooks lmfao"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>muh Asians\nLmao were you born/trapped in America?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause hes an evil scumbag that killed lots of african innocents"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nSouth Africa shot down any attempts at peaceful protests. If you do that, don't be surprised if people resort to sabotage or violence."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>hes an evil scumbag that killed lots of african innocents\nSuch as?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nWell most \"nationalists\" don't try and create a separatist movement in a country's they don't control"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nMandela isn't a exactly black nationalist in the mold of the ones seen in North America"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThe fuck does that even mean retard"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nWhite invaders deserve a lot worse than simple bombings."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Wait until you learn about what the FLN did to whites in Algeria lmao"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe objectively did lead a terrorist group. Best you can argue is it was justified due to the state terrorism of apartheid-era South Africa, but the label fits."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he was. A Marxist, communist terrorist that killed civilians."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nSettlers don't deserve mercy."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>I'm oppressed\n>vae victis\npick one"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nthe Europeans might repeat your own words to you one day"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhave you looked at south Africa before his ascent and now? Once you do that why don't you analyze Mandelas affect on the nation."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>have you looked at south Africa before his ascent and now?\nWhat was South Africa's ascent before Mandela took office?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\n>\"Why are the people we're oppressing bombing us!?\""}, {"id": 29, "content": "Because he pounded their boipus"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "More like Boner-fart."}, {"id": 2, "content": "gottem"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Spain was supposed to conquer the world... but we speak english"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">hispanic north america\nvgh...imagine the reggaeton"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSpain shouldve killed the natives like the anglos did. Then kick the anglos empire ass from the new world"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Spain had sephardic jews, England had ashkenazi jews"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThe Anglos were far-FAR more light handed against the natives than the Spanish were, that whole narrative is a cope my modern welfare rats to excuse how easilly they were outbred by a few boat loads of Anglos. The reality of the matter is that there just wasnt that many natives north of Meso America and outside of the Incas, which both happen to be the areas most populated by native Americans in the post Spanish colonies"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nfalse, england (and america before russian pogroms) were mostly evenly split. and most sephardim were in turkey by then"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThis is false"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSorry your little mud hut village in bumfuck Indiana didnt actually hold 1 million people like your civics teach told you lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nMexico is part of north America so I mean technically it exists.\n>>3\nFucking retard. The Anglos walked into barren land inhabited by a few 10,000 murder hobos and just planted a fucking flag. Spaniards were outnumbered from the beginning all the way to the end of their empire. Theres only so much you can do with that level of tech.\nI guarantee that if there were millions of indians living in what's now the US the Anglos would've either mixed or given them semi-autonomy in order to breed them out over generations."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThis is false. Anglos killed millions of indians."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThese kind of massive claims reminds me of those two injun skeletons found in papal schools in Canada which were immidiately claimed by first nation groups to be how missionaries killed tens of thousands of native kids but then banned all escavations because the place they found the two fragments was now part of sacred land"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Notice how the part of the spanish empire conquered by anglos became first world and the part that remained under spanish rule became thirdie"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIf mexico was under spanish rule ot woudlve kicked americas ass. Same for argentina"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThen who rules them if not spain?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\n>indios y mestizos\nWhy are rapebabies product of murder and child grooming considered equivalent of natives left alone?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>millions\nThere are are natives alive today than at the time of European arrival."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nYou will never have a stable border."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>the mutt spawned from the sexual abuse of helpless children after their parents were murdered in front of their eyes = the people whose parents were left alone and just kept living"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nThere was 2-5 million Amerindians more or less in modern day US. And there was 2-6 after."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Spaniards sent perverted men and priests to rape indian children because their colonies were pedophile playgrounds for degenerated monsters that no woman wanted to visit.\nI\nAnglos sent families to settle because they saw a future in the places they colonized.\n\nIn one you have the leftovers of a former great craddle of civilization being consumed by pederasty, greed, child abuse and rape, as they sent the dregs of their society to molest the innocent civilized natives they met.\nIn the other empty land with a couple nomads receiving entire families that were hoping for a better future\n\nDifferent colonies."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpanish Alaska. JFC, fucking dumbass spics with their fake borders. You people barely colonized any of that shit."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>what went wrong[?]\n\nSUBVERSION ANGLOILUMINISTA.\n\n\n>Spain was supposed to conquer the world... but we speak english\n\nNO CONTANDO LA CHINA, LA LENGUA ESPAÑOLA ES LA MÁS EXTENDIDA EN EL MUNDO, Y LA QUE CUENTA CON MÁS HABLANTES NATIVOS; LA LENGUA INGLESA SE HABLA POR UTILIDAD, NO PORQUE HAYA UNA CIVILIZACIÓN UNIVERSAL ÁNGLICA, COMO SI LA HAY HISPÁNICA."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nCallate enfermo pedofilo"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nReminder that this psoter is a known child groomer that posts pictures of white children with sexual connotations and asks for pictures of white girls in other boards"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do these faggot maps always ignore that spain ruled central europe"}, {"id": 26, "content": "The beaner is incapable of philosophy"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nBit of a stretch to call a bunch of austrians that owned the crown of spain \"spain\""}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>durr what’s an empire\nYou’re fucking retarded. Consider suicide."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nyoure a mongoloid, those areas weren't conquered by spaniards, they were married into power by inbred austrians. in fact, all spaniards did was lose them to protestantism"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nNoble families inheriting land via meme marriages is not the same as land controlled by a country via colonization. Central europe had its own lawsuit, economy, noblity, etc unlike america."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo enough European autosomal DNA. Causing ethnic conflicts."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\n>Why do these faggot maps always ignore that spain ruled central europe\nThe HRE was never united into a single country with Spain, the two had a personal union for a while with one Habsburg ruler, who was an Austrian. That's probably why."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but we speak english\nyes, because everyone speaking the bastardized mix of Latin and German is a totally worse scenario than a world where everyone speaks a bastardized mix of Latin and Arabic"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>17\nhola el cocaina goblino"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nPriviet pidorashka churkanov!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>18\n>>34\nseething trannies"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>bastardized mix of Latin and Arabic\nWrong, it's mainly Latin"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>5\n>>9\nAs light handed as the British were, by far the lightest hand was actually a private company.\n\nFor 200 years a sizeable chunk of North America was PRIVATE PROPERTY of the Hudson’s bay company and all peoples living therein were viewed essentially as employees, potential employees or customers. As a commercial enterprise, the main goal was profit, they were incredibly laissez faire in their approach to governing.\n\nMost importantly, you didn’t see the same level of displacement and depopulation of natives as you did further east because genociding your employees and customers is bad for business. It was quite the opposite actually, the cree experienced a population boom with the introduction of European goods and were able to use their position as the main trading partner with the company to rapidly expand west and south."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "-Drug Addict\n-Sex Addicted\n-Fatass\n-Pedophile\n-Retarded war strategies\n-Retarded in general after his prime pass\n-Do orgies and parties when the war was almost over\n-Doesn't care about race that much\n-Go to brown countries to fuck children\nAnd even after all, he was the most aryan of the hitler inner circle."}, {"id": 2, "content": "bros he is literally us"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis was 90% of the Nazi leadership: opportunists and bureaucrats.Goering is a paragon example of the former precisely because of these traits. Apart from schizos like Rosenberg and Himmler, the vast majority of Germans, especially the Generals, didn't give a shit about race theory. Even Halder, who had tried to coup Hitler at multiple times in the past, enthusiastically organised plans for Barbarossa because all the Generals enjoyed the concept of Bronze-age-style conquests."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">outsmarts the entire team of lawyers at the Nuremburg trials to such a degree that they start brining in soviets propagandists to try and make the war seem like it was for a purpose by lying about warcrimes\nbased"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>1 (OP)\n\nWhat does /his/ think about Adam Curtis summary of Goering?\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoM6-1SWl4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nJews are so blatant with their propaganda"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't the Americans and British have to keep rotating the soldiers guarding him because Goering was so \"affable\" and charismatic the soldiers would generally sneak in snacks and try to spend time talking to him?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nYou will never be white"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nyeah"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>>7\n>>4\n>Italian Foreign Minister Galeazzo Ciano once noted Göring wearing a fur coat that looked like what \"a high-grade prostitute wears to the opera\"."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nAlmost everything you said is wrong kek"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nliterally me"}, {"id": 13, "content": "His iq is super high actually. He just didn't give a fuck. But he was intelligent enough to got to those high offices in the first place"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>italians eye-fucking goering\nsad"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPaedophile? Proof? I hear the same thing about Goebbels and yet that is waaaaaaaaaaay more convincing to me than Goering being one."}, {"id": 16, "content": "He was an outstanding pilot during WWI. That's how he got to head up the Luftwaffe. Drugs addled his brain."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>>6\n\nNothing he said was particularly wrong.\nNone of them had merits of statesmanship. Most of the top brass of NSADP were former war buddies, spent a lot of time as political hooligans, never actually held any real government position before, largely uneducated.\n\nCompare them to Churchills ministry or FDR and Germany appears more of a joke.\n>But the IQ test!\nIntelligence does not equal merit."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did black slave girls enjoy having sexual relations with white slave masters?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConsider that IQ is correlated with female orgasm more than penis size, and consider also Whites and blacks are similar in size."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Only the female slave masters. It was called doe breaking."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Almost half of African American Y DNA comes from European men"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nGo on..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably wasn't as common as you'd think"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nsapiosexual cope"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nDoe dickin'*"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf black americans have big dicks does that mean their slave master ancestors had big dicks too?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nWe need to get the niggers hooked on haploautism to save american race relations"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack women crave white cock more than negro men crave fired chicken and watermelon. They wanted every second of the way and a chance to have babies with superior white genes"}, {"id": 13, "content": "AHHHHHHHH COOOOMING"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>Consider that IQ is correlated with female orgasm more than penis size,\n\nlol. since when? i'm gonna need a source for that.\n\n>>1 (OP)\nnothing gets a brown girl off more than superior white seed."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nIndeed Built for Buck Breaking"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlave owners were the alpha males of their farms so slave girls obviously enjoyed getting attention from them."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nsense of danger is more correlated with female orgasm, that's some of them have fantasies of getting raped"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\ns-sauce"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThis Cant Be Roots\n\nDon't be fooled, this is a BBC revenge porn."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod considers it important that he violently gatekeep anything he considers good like 710ml bottles of pop, doritos, plain corn chips, instant noodles, hamburger helper, cheeseburgers, snickers etc also video games, literal fantasies etc he does this so that he can self-identify with rich people who he doesn't violently gatekeep these things from so that he can feel superior to me because he's an insecure tranny. In his stupid retard brain he has convinced himself that it's credible to try to justify his violently gatekeeping of available things by saying that he doesn't want me to be rich because he doesn't want to have animate \"sex slaves\", \"concubines\", etc, he's too retarded to realize how stupid it is for him to say that while violently gatekeeping things that are accessible to me right now as a poor person, including my literal fantasies, things that I should have access to, as if he couldn't also just not allow me to have sex slaves or concubines if I was rich the same was he doesn't allow me to eat fritos or cheetos now.\n\nGod is a retarded disgusting liar whose motivations 100% are to dominate and abuse me. He's a retard for even trying to argue that his concern is that he doesn't want me to abuse his flesh-projections when he's the one forcing me to live in a world where I have to be around people in real life. He hates the idea of me being rich because that would mean I could isolate myself on the internet and not have to be dominated and abused by anyone in real life, and because I would be able to have \"desirable\" material things like cheeseburgers and doritos. He's already explicitly said he doesn't think I should be allowed to be alone because I shouldn't be allowed to \"be god\" while telling me that \"I'm god\" in an attempt to justify abusing me.\n\nGod is a retard for thinking he can reframe his desire to dominate and abuse me as a desire to not be abused."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nIn fact, women of all races crave white cock"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is this not teached in schools"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTaught*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProof?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Anglos control the schools."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>anglos treat you like humans instead of semi sentient animals you are\n>give you medicine and technology\n>have way too many kids\n>outpace your 84 iq carrying capacity\n>England redirects its resources to a European conflict\n>mass die off\n>HOW COULD COLONIZER DO THIS"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt will be taught now that Indians are in charge of Britishers. We will take majority in their home and then we will remind everyone to give them karma."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHOW CAN SHE GENOCIDE?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased! Less street shitters shitting up this planet the better."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Late Victorian Holocausts is a great book about this. And the reason they don't teach it is that we're still controlled by Anglos and Anglo-Americans pushing Anglo ideology; they'd skip the Irish famine too if they thought they could pull it off."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is this not teached in schools\n\nfuck all shit holers and street shitters. TND"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is this not teached in schools\nBecause it isn't true, it's the number of people who got hungry, not how many they died. Also there were no major famines after 1900 (except in WW2)."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Let me guess. Indians overreproduced beyond their feedig capacity because anglo gave them meds or did they jut randomly accounted deaths in that 160 years period?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIndian agriculture was rain fed and relied on annual monsoon. There was no irrigation and no infrastructure to quickly bring food from elsewhere, and often not even accounts of food reserves, so people starved when the rains didn't come, especially in consecutive years."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>>6\nGOOD MORNING SIRS"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS\n>TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it really worth it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTwo unconnected events, Ottomans wound up taking Palestine and Jews still finagled it away"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can't really argue with a dishonest premise"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah I'm sure becoming musshit pedo degenerates would have been so much better."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">you have lived long enough to see American right wingers worship their historical enemies."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nOttomans didn't convert entire Balkans."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, because I'm sure having Central Europe turned into the Balkans 2.0 and Western Europe being subjugated by France would be so much better."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlow your brains out"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThis but unironically."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nYeah trans children are wayyyyy better for Europe. Right?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Europe needed a little Islam. Maybe allow some Chad Islamic Caliph and his elite warriors conquer Paris and Rome and then all the Germanic warlords convert to Islam and bow to him and BLEACH his line for generations with aryan princesses.\n\nEurope would lose maybe half an IQ point but be significantly less cúcked. Europeans would be far more virulent and wouldn't be set to get negrified in the postmodern age."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I'd take a commie over a Muzzie"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nGiven ottoman elites ran on sex abuse and gay shit, including of children, yes.\n\nAlso, cool whataboutism."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>ottoman elites ran on sex abuse and gay shit, including of children\nThat's all elites, Anon."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nas opposed to the trans movement, which mutilates children on the regular?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Catholics\n>putting a stop to pedos and commies\n\nAnon..."}, {"id": 17, "content": "OP litterally cannot stop thinking about trannies"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConsidering that one of the countries that partook in PLC's partition was Austria while the other - Russia, was a longtime rival of the turks... No, it really wasn't."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has there been anyone more cucked in history than Zhou Yu?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Am I insane for not understanding how Benjamin Franklin defined whiteness this way? I've been to Central and Eastern Europe and Southern Germany, and known Scottish people, and the people are pretty fucking white."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTawny hands made this post."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Scottish people\ntheir accent isnt white"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBen said that scandis were of swarthy complexion."}, {"id": 5, "content": "no he only held that anglos and saxons (including the saxony ones) are white\n\"white\" to him meant his own ethnic group and their forebears, no one else"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think what Ben and this chart meant is the regions of people who best assimilate into American society. People who are disciplined and culturally similar enough to be compatible in American society at that time."}, {"id": 7, "content": "mogged"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>white\" to him meant his own ethnic group and their forebears, no one else\nThat's also what they meant by \"free white persons of good character\" even though Bob D'quarius de la Rosa (proud white wignat) still claims that includes Ellis island trash."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think Ben was on to something, even back then it was skin apparent to some bong with bad eye sight, nowadays its just willing cognitive dissonance to ignore the white cluster in Europe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Sweden\nI pretty sure that is one of the groups he called swarthy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nWe can actually track exactly what the 1790 would have meant but just seeing what groups were naturalized under it. This apparently even included Greeks as there are records of Greek immigrants in this 1790-1800s period, so the exact opposite cornere of europe was being included in this straight away. In fact Franklin himself encouraged the Greek guy who taught the language to Jefferson to immigrate. Franklin was a jokester, and he actually had to apologize to the Germans and remove this part from further publications.\n\nTheir definition of white was the \"Common Sense\" definition of white that came from Thomas Paine's Common Sense which would have been the most read thing among all Americans at the time.\n\n>In this extensive quarter of the globe, we forget the narrow limits of three hundred and sixty miles (the extent of England) and carry our friendship on a larger scale; we claim brotherhood with every European Christian, and triumph in the generosity of the sentiment.\n\nThe idea was that someone while people from Manchester and Liverpool might regard each other as different while in the North, while in London they are both just Northerners. When they are in Paris they are both just countrymen, or Englishmen. The reasoning here went that another from that quarter of the globe when put in another quarter of the globe like America became countrymen.\n>if in their foreign excursions they should associate in France, or any other part of Europe, their local remembrance would be enlarged into that of Englishmen. And by a just parity of reasoning, all Europeans meeting in America, or any other quarter of the globe, are countrymen;\nThe idea being that being an Englishman is only something meaningful within Europe, and that in America, you are all just Europeans."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>do you have blood related to Anglo-Saxons? Then you're hwite, simple as. Now excuse me while i go have relations with french madames"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n…the map doesn’t convey what ben franklin talked about. Did a Retarded person make this map? Ben said Dutch, scandis etc were swarthy. Only English (why is southern england drawn dark by this illiterate faggot retard). Ben also said that new Saxons from the Dresden area were white as well.\n\nWhat’s wrong FAGGOT FUCKING RETARD. Why can’t you FUCKING READ."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nWrong, FUCKING IDIOT. He claims the NEW SAXONS of NEW SAXONY were white. Not the Saxons of Hamburg.\n\nGas yourself fucking cunt."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglishmen were so siccessful that they Whitened the non-White Europe with their seed. Then later on the mutts swarmed into England. Now it’s hard to tell a difference between the white seeded mutts of Jewrope and the mutt seeded cucks of england.\n\nIt’s over."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nBy ol' Ben's reckoning pretty much all of northern Europe is \"swarthy\""}, {"id": 17, "content": "i dont wanna be nigger"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nThis directly correlates with that map inventions and artistic achievements that's basically a trapezoid from genoa to vienna to oslo to belfast"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt a certain point in life, you realize that there are categories of people who cannot be reasoned with, only avoided or beaten. Anglos are one of them."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI swear to god every single time I see this map the \"white\" area decreases. So, I guess people from Kent aren't white now?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBenjamin Franklin was known for making jokes, I think people may be taking things too seriously when they read that quote of his, it could very well have been just a shitpost."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\n>The idea was that someone while people from Manchester and Liverpool might regard each other as different while in the North, while in London they are both just Northerners. When they are in Paris they are both just countrymen, or Englishmen. The reasoning here went that another from that quarter of the globe when put in another quarter of the globe like America became countrymen.\nThis needs to get drilled into people's heads more. This explains everything you need to know about nationalism and internal divisions within a country"}, {"id": 23, "content": "There is a noticeable difference, this is a soccer team in Cornwall, although there is some Nordic admixture, you will notice the boy on the far left or the far right wouldn't look out of place in Morocco or Turkey. Much of Europe was basically like the Mediterranean until successive waves of invaders arrived, the Yamnaya, spoked wheel chariot Indo-Europeans, Germanic migrations, however each wave mixed with the native women rather than settled land. The lands in blue on your map are where the Nordics originated and conducted \"settler colonialism\", as the left would say, conducting genocide of the local population and settling families of Nordic men and women.\n\nMost Europeans are at best 7/8th white which barely cut the mark according to the rules at the time for whether mixed race offspring with negro slaves are white. It was not a leap to reject the idea of them being white at all."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nNo people want to be counter-intuitive because it makes them feel smart. The reasonable explanation for most things get rejected."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nThey just look like regular British lads"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>the boy on the far left or the far right wouldn't look out of place in Morocco or Turkey\nYou're insane."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>18\n>to oslo\nEven the Portuguese contributed more to humanity than Norwegians. Hell, even fucking HUNGARIANS contributed more than Norwegians. It's pathetic to see Scandinavians jumping on the bandwagon of \"European\" achievements which are actually the work of four nations: Britain, Germany, France and Italy."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\n>the boy on the far left or the far right wouldn't look out of place in Morocco or Turkey\nt. never visited Morocco\nTurkey is super diverse so saying \"this guy wouldn't look out of place in Turkey\" means as much as \"this guy wouldn't look out of place in the USA\" or \"this guy wouldn't look out of place in Colombia\"."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>7\nthis didn't happen"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\ncope.\nnorwegians in large part spawned the most successful empire to ever exist and the high ranking peoples of this empire still cling to their normanno-anglican heritage. they even simp for norwegians for good luck.\nalso,\n>nation\n>country names\nnation is not the same as state.\n\"the english\" would be a nation.\n\"the bavarians\" or even \"the germans\" could be nations.\nItaly, especially, is not a unified nation."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>people from Kent and Sussex aren't white\nThis is hilarious"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Benjamin Franklin defined whiteness this way?\n\nWhy do you lie?\nHe called swedes swarthy\nThey shouldn't be blue"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>5\n>their forebears\nWhich, genetically, most of it is southern european."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\n>Even the Portuguese contributed more to humanity than Norwegians.\nIn what sense. There have certanly been many influential Portuguese explorers, but where is the Portuguese Grieg, Munch, Ibsen, Abel?\n>Hell, even fucking HUNGARIANS contributed more than Norwegians.\nHungary's contributions were mainly done by Jews and ethnic Germans. Also, Hungary, like Portugal have always been way more populous than Norway so it shouldn't be surprising."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>27\n>>34\nPortugal circled in red"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>19\nOh man I was worried you were going to say Jews for a second. I'm so tired of antisemites demonizing us for being successful. We're just good at finance really. We don't want to hurt anybody."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nFucking owned"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>24\nShut the fuck up you filthy hook nosed cut-cock."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was joking, you fool"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only white ppl"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>29\n>t. shitalian"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy did you remove half of northern germany from his description"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>29\nget fucking shot"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>7\nLmao"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>29\nPalpable shitalian tears"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>10\n>>16\nSwedes do be turning dark orange in the summer tho whereas real Whites turn red and do not tan."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\nWhat's the cutoff?\n>>7\nMost Italian-Americans are from southern Italy, and thus a bit darker than the average White American (Northwestern European). They're still white though.\n>>41\n>>45\nWhite just means European. This includes both Northern and Southern Italians."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNowadays yes but only by muttmerican definitions that include Arabs and Pakis as part of the white group, So congrats that you finally count as white since we had to bend the definition so much that it’s now meaningless to include your brown folk"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>They're still white though."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nIt's divide and conquer by butthurt Russians, pay no attention to it."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFranklin was a well-known shitposter, he was probably joking."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>10\nExactly. OP is a Scandinavian swarthoid who thinks he is white."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>7\nShitalians btfo by nice little old white ladies. How will they ever recover?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>48\n>Nowadays yes but only by muttmerican definitions\nNo. By the definition of \"white\" as a population group.\n>So congrats that you finally count as white\nI'm not Italian.\n>>49\nYes."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\ni can say she's sri lankan and people will believe it"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nNow you're just trolling."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nBuckbroken Kamchatka mutt, you will never be European no matter how many flawed 'models' you create on your internet app.\n\nItalians cluster just as close to Britons as *European* Russians do, a group that doesn't include you because you are a Tatar admixed mutt."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nyou wish you piece of shit"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nThere’s an obvious white cluster there that corelates with the population being obviously white on first glance that you are sadly not part of"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nZoom out."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>49\n>This Faroe Islander had black hair, brown eyes and swarthy skin, clearly he wasn't white."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>49\n>This blond Sicilian composer was clearly an arab rape baby, and thus not white."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\ncherry harder mohommed"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally everyone in that picture is white though. Yes, even the turks. Maybe not like the, really really swarthy ones, but plenty of them."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>23\nAll white.\n>>49\nWhite.\n>>55\nWhite.\n>>61\nWhite."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nBtfo'd by the Normans and later expelled."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nbrown or white"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nWhite. Obvious tan."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>33\nWhat lol?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>63\n>>66\n>Malaterra records how the Norman cavalry chased the mass of routing troops all the way back to their camp, which they sacked and pillaged, killing all they found. He also claims that the Norman cavalry wanted to stop and rest their horses at the Muslim camp and enjoy the spoils of war, but Roger ordered the chase to be continued into the surrounding mountains so that he could capitalize on the rout. After much time had passed, and the dust had settled, it is claimed that 35,000 Saracens and Zirids had been killed.[1]"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nbrown or white"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nBorderline brown."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nCherrypicked"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>unknown\nWhite. And because it's not just about skin colour. The bitch in the swimming suit could pass for a brit easily for example. Miss Italia could pass for a north african on the other hand. This is irrefutable."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\n>The bitch in the swimming suit could pass for a brit easily for example.\ndelusional"}, {"id": 76, "content": "It's only slav/ugrics and fat muh viking ancestor americans who are so autistically focused on blond hair and blue eyes as definitive of white; White means to me, limited (doesnt have to be absent) north african or west/central asian admixture and your forebearers had to have spoken an Indo-European language of the \"Centum\" variety, that's it. No slavs, no finno-ugrics. That's it. If you're spanish and look EXACTLY like a person from Morocco; then no, if you're from Barcelona and could be an Irish person with black hair dye, then yes. To me significant slavic or ugric admixture is going to be the big no-go and they're blond frequently.\n\nI have provided a map:\n>if all 8 of your great grandparents were born within the dark green border; you're most likely white.\n>If all 8 of your great grandparents are within the light booger green border, you are unquestionably white, ashkenazim notwithstanding."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nOkay goodbye."}, {"id": 78, "content": "brown or white"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nThat's a white woman, what is the closest approximation in the non-white world of what she looks like? Those eyes and nose? if she had red hair and freckles she would be a smokey eyed scottish woman."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nI can tell you’re a moor mutt by including Iberia and other med cunts and not eastern Germany. Sorry but a Pole with 1% chink dna is more white than a moor with 5-10% black dna and just as much mystery meat red sea dna"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nI’m from yorkshire and my moms from australia of Danish and English descent but whatever."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>38\nI was talking about uber shitlibs retard, this just confirms however that you are basically the same people who just make up bullshit to make yourself feel smart"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\n>t. Historylet who doesn’t know about Satem isogloss and the great Irano-Slavic pretender"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nNot the guy you quoted but you’re DEFINITELY not white if you’re stuck on “meds” like that, it’s this really obvious fixation that easterners have because it sort of legitimizes them as white people by virtue of “I was blond when I was a baby”, you’re a dirty easterner, you’ll never be white."}, {"id": 85, "content": "You're all retards. This is whiteness."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nAnd this map actually correlates with phenotype. Autosomal PIE ancestry is the only thing that correlates with whiteness. The higher it is in an individual or population, the whiter they appear.\nEverything else is New MENA (southern European) cope. Brown people are not white. Brown people will never be white.\nI lock arms with my Russian and Ukrainian brothers of similar/equal PIE ancestry to me. For me they look like me, a 50% PIE man from Glasgow.\n\nI spit in the face of brown Arabo-Spanitolian filth."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nNo, this is haploautism.\n\n>Pakistanis are totally whiter than Italians bro"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>No, this is haploautism.\nYou don't know what haplogroups are. This is autosomal ancestry. Spastic.\n\n>Pakistanis are totally whiter than Italians bro\nCorrect.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Khan\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Di_Maio"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine an anglo thinking hes in the same league with Scandinavians. Even German are shitskin mudpeople in comparison. And the funny thing is that Scandinavians are the nicest people you will ever meet. And arabs and niggers are the nastiest."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nSee pic related"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nOh wow you have billions of different metrics for these statistics."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nEvery PCA is the same. Every genetic distance calculator is the same."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\n>Every genetic distance calculator is the same."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\n>You don't know what haplogroups are\nHaploautism is the general catch-all term for people like (You) that get fixated on ancient population admixture rather than modern genetic distance.\n\n>This is autosomal ancestry.\nNo, it's looking at a part of autosomal ancestry and not overall genetic distance. See >>90 >>57 >>50\n\n>Correct.\nYou are delusional, hence the term haploautist is well applied to you."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFranklin was a known shitposter"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nYou're not white, Mario. You never were."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>86\nYou’re an idiot. I live in Glasgow, let’s meet. I wanna see this paragon ef whiteness please"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\n>ancient population admixture\nThat's what defines phenotype though. Idiot.\n\n>modern genetic distance.\nIrrelevant. Southern Europeans are still nowhere near northern Europeans.\n\n>overall genetic distance.\nSouthern Europeans are not white by either metric. Russians have drifted due to isolation with their fellow Steppe rich white brothers in Scandinavia, the British Isles and Netherlands/Germany.\nBut racially they are still the same. Just drifted.\n\nYou Will Never Be White. You will always look MENA. Because the vast bulk of your ancestry comes from Anatolia, along with fellow MENAs."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>I live in Glasgow\nSo do Bantus. You will never be white, blame your mother for hopping on Italian MENA dick, Guiseppe."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>That's what defines phenotype though. Idiot.\nTotal admixture, not looking at a single group.\n\n>Idiot\nSays the guy that thinks Pakistanis are white.\n\n>Irrelevant. Southern Europeans are still nowhere near northern Europeans.\nThey are closer than Pakistanis. Retard. Search for Pakistan here. >>60\n\n>Russians have drifted due to isolation with their fellow Steppe rich white brothers in Scandinavia\nRusshit cope."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n>Pakistanis are white.\nAs white as Italians. Yes. Neither are white."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nNice attempt at backtracking tard."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\n>They are closer than Pakistanis\nAnd yet Pakistanis look as white. Hence autosomal admixture is all that matters. Russians are white. Ukrainians are white. Lithuanians are white.\nItalians are not. Never were.\n\n>Russhit cope\nI'd never be able to spot a Russian here in Glasgow until he opened his mouth. I could see your ugly brown face and black hair and eyes a mile away and instantly know you were MENA or some other kind of distant foreigner from some desert land."}, {"id": 104, "content": "SOUTHERN EUROPEANS WILL NEVER BE WHITE!!!"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nRusshit mental breakdown."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nYou Will Never Be A White"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>99\nI have met in my life two people from Italy. Lmao where do you live? Email me Liamjwhite@gmail.com"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\n>Liamjwhite@gmail.com\npedophile"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nOoh we’re grasping aren’t we? We fucked up didn’t we? Come on meet up. I’ll wait for your email pal."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nCome on pal. What’s happening got nothing else to say? You fucking pussy lmfao."}, {"id": 111, "content": "This board won't heal until it accepts that white people can be swarthy yet still white at the same time."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\n>>110\n>pal\nGypsy word https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pal#Etymology"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nThe cope is insane. You just ducked that dude who lived right by you. An actual white Scottish man would never puss out like that."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>Scottish\nThere's no such thing as Scottish people. They're a regional subgroup of English people. And I don't know why you're samefagging. Retard."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nLmao you’re seething. What happened pal? Meet up. Let’s see how white we are let’s compare phenotypes."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>113\nHe's probably typing from Vladivostok, a real Scottish person wouldn't be this obsessed with Italians or Spaniards and repeating over than over than \"Russians are white and his brothers\"."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nYeah Danes and Swedes were too tawny"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>27\nThey have like 50x the population historically so that would make sense."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\nWhat fucking age are you that you want to 'meet up' with people on the Internet that made you look stupid and embarrassed you. Grow up, you pathetic twat. Jesus Christ."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>40\nToo tawny, sorry WHG bros."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>47\nCorrect post. I will defend Italians from retards on this board."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\n>h-heh why you wanna meet up? heh it’s just an internet prank\nthe famous cope. you should meet up with him since you went on a tear and then backpedaled pretty rapidly."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSwarthoid detected, Ben Franklin was right."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>62\nnorman aristocrat"}, {"id": 125, "content": "why do shitskins in this board keep insisting southroon can be white lmao?\neven some west asians are whiter"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>>/int/181204395\nbased irishman"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nI mean it’s whatever dude; the guys on the left don’t look like any Italian I’ve ever met in my 11 years living in Rome. Plenty of gypsies and Arab immigrants look like that."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nthis is a briton exclusive kinship\nthe norferners have a shared facial morphology with norf caucasians"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>125\nAnyone who uses the 'ooru is not white"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>47\n>average White American (Northwestern European)."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>127\nThen why are you shilling and seething for the supposed whiteness of Italians for dozens of hours per week? If its like totes whatevas dude, you wouldn’t care and just let randos on the internet say whatever they wanted"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>121\nyou'll be fucking dead"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>57\nSee how easy it is for Europeans? Yamnaya majority vs farmer majority! North American Yamnayas\nSouth America Farmers\nPerfect borders that got screwed up by slavery fags and mixing with natives."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>104\nGood they’re European. Steppe are the invaders."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Even the Founding Father with the highest IQ had an atrociously dumb take on races\nI swear this must be some hardwires genetic trait among burgers, or there is something in their water that makes them stupid regarding racial stuff. Just like the anatolian waters seems to turn people into pederasts (greeks, turks)"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nT.seething swarthoid"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>131\nI posted on 4chan 4 times this week. Not everyone who disagrees with you is samefagging, schizo."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>17\ngoddammit have some pride in your people- if a man, if a woman then kill yourself"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>27\nIn modern times, at least in stem fields, Sweden has defintely surpassed Italy."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>46\nSo you have to be a ginger to be white? The brittish skin tone (or lack thereof) where there is lipofuscin instead if any pigmentation, is not a result of \"being white\". It's a result of multigenerational nutritional deficiencies."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRace is a social construct."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>134\nEuropeans dont come from turkey. But they might come from ukraine or russia."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>25\nThis desu. >>23 is retarded, especially since they think some of them could pass for Moroccan.\n\n>>55\nGood one.\n\n>>46\nSome sure, but definitely not all. There be pasty Scandinavians as well, who by flesh tone could easily pass for British Isles-looking, albeit usually quite a bit blonder."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>23\nThis.\n\nNon whites are coping."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">non-whites seething about the fact they thought other non-whites were whites"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nI’ve seen Iranians reee numerous times claiming that they are white. Some few — some very fucking few — I will admit can pass. The actress Sarah Shahi, for example, on a good day. But 98% of them are proper brown and clearly not white. But seeing them rage about it is entertaining nonetheless. And I say that as someone who generally likes them."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>141\nAs are colors. Doesn't mean you can't differenciate between a European and a Subsaharan African, or tell red from blue."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>48\n>Nowadays yes but only by muttmerican definitions that include Arabs and Pakis as part of the white group\nWho tf considers them white? They dont even consider themselves white"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>63\nonly 3% of Sicilians (only sicilians) have some arab dna"}, {"id": 150, "content": "for that faggot white means WASP or something that is very close to WASP"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>4\nI don't think Ben ever left the french whorehouses on his trips to Europe, and he just made shit up based on the stories he heard banana phone from the girls about the various European clients they had."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>8\nthey specified white europeans, and there were already plenty of dutch and germans etc in the colonies when they made those laws, and who were purposefully included in them. the more important part of that naturalization act written by the founding fathers was the establishment of country of origin quotas based on current demographics meant to keep the US at bare minimum 90% white euopean; that's the first thing the jew Cellar attacked when he tore down 200 year old immigration policy in order to flood the US with non-whites starting in 1965. It only took two generations to turn the US from 90% white europeans to 40% white europeans (as opposed to 60% \"self identified white), and not surprisingly the US has been in an increasingly quickening, collapsing downward spiral ever since."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>149\ncopity cope"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>75\n>>153\nThis woman doesn't look Arabic. She would stand out as a foreigner in Qatar or Bahrain.\nHonestly I wonder what 4chan posters think Arabs look like. As in, people from Arabia. (Hint: Islamic Rage Boy is not an Arab)"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nLol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw no bratty inbred goth gf with ponytails and higher status that keeps me around to prevent even more inbred children"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bros she's a real life anime girl..."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Looks like the average Goblina. And they dare say Habsburgs were foreigners"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Literally David Chase's daughter"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "/pol has finally been banned in this country right now. I am finally free. Now, teach me about the history of the Jews. Make it simple.. a couple of sentences at most."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Early Jewish History\n>200 BC Jews began to trickle into the Roman Empire\n>70 AD Jewish-Roman wars, many Jews fled to Iraq, many fled to Southern Italy, Spain, southern France, Greece, Cyprus and Turkey.\n>100 AD Jews began the practice of wide scale male education (literacy)\n>70-300 AD Jews arrive in Holland, northern France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and north Africa.\n>312-600 AD Christianity is made the official religion of the Roman Empire, many laws are established to limit Jewish power\n>600-1100 AD literate Jews moved from the fields in Europe and the Middle East into the cities, Jews became exceptionally powerful in the Islamic and European empires\n>1100-1200 AD With the expansion of the Islamic empire Christians began the fight to reclaim the Holy Land, Jews were targeted as heretics and many Jews fled into eastern Europe\n>1200-1500 AD Jewish expulsion from Europe occurred, Jews are accused of mixing deviously obtained blood in the Eucharist across Europe among other things, Jews fled further east\n>1500-1700 AD Jews begin to re-enter Protestant countries they were expelled from"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nModern Era\n>1791 Catherine the Great bans Jews from moving out of Ukraine/Belarus into Russia, called the Pale of Settlement\n>By the 1800's half of all Jews in the world lived in eastern Poland, southern Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine\n>In the late 1880's the secular Marxist Jewish Bundist movement is created in southern Lithuania and northern Belarus before spreading through the Pale\n>Immediately after Jews began to work in the textile and tobacco factories here they spun their plight as racial prejudice\n>Jewish power was exceptionally strong here and Jewish Socialist intelligentsia began to rile up the Jewish populace and sought to use ethnic Russians to bolster their movement\n>In the 1890's these Jews established the first trade Unions in eastern Europe and a Jewish Marxist political party called the \"Russian Social Democratic Labor Party\"\n>The Union's and Party's main activities were organizing Jewish strikes and disseminating propaganda\n>The Bundist movement became the major political force within the Pale During WWI and prior to WWII, desiring revolution of the Jewish proletariat in Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania.\n>In 1901 the Bund made it to Moscow and warnings of the Bund spreading revolutionary sentiment did too\n>The Moscow secret police launched a loyal Independent Jewish party in order to attempt to curtail the movement\n>In 1902 a Jewish Bundist killed the governor of Vilna, the capital of Lithuania\n>In 1903 two Russian children were found dead in the capital of Moldova, two papers accused the local Jews of using their blood to combine with the Eucharist\n>The following race riot and murders agaisnt the Jews dissolved the Independent Jewish party\n>In 1904 the Jews began using the race riots as propaganda that their revolution movement was in self defense\n>In 1905 a Russian Revolution establishes an elected governing body supported by the Bund and they formed a Jewish Marxist party in Galicia Spain"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>In 1906 the Bund and the Bolsheviks effectively merged, they called themselves \"Social Democrats\" and they established a party in Stockholm\n>In 1912 they established a Jewish Marxist branch of the US Socialist party and are credited with contributing 7 Jews which comprised much of the effort behind the US labor movement\n>At this time the Bund got a representative elected in Warsaw, Poland and split with the Bolsheviks (who didn't support a Jewish state) and merged with the Mensheviks\n>In 1913 they staged a large scale strike during the Beilis Trial after a Jew was again accused of Ritual Murder, killing young children to harvest their blood for the Eucharist\n>The Bund also had activities in Argentina, Bulgaria and Greece\n>During WWI the Bund began leaning towards an international Jewish Congress\n>In 1917 after the revolution they merged with the Communists abandoning autonomy"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPost WWI Bund activities\n>By the 1920s, Jews made up a third of the population in Poland’s central cities\n>The Bund and its influence spread into the newly conquered Polish sections of German empire throughout the 20's and 30's, declaring allegiance to the Communists\n>It was seen as a subversive organization by Polish socialists because it rejected any sort of conflict with the Communists\n>Bundist Jewish leaders were jailed during rising Nationalist sentiment in Poland\n>In 1936 and 1939 the Bund scored massive political wins in Polish elections using the rising Nationalism and anti-semitism to gaslight Poles\n\nWWII Bund activities\n>The Jewish Communist Bund sends representative \"Szmul Zygielbojm\" to the \"Polish Government-in-exile\" who created the narrative of the Holocaust in Poland\n>Szmul Zygielbojm later kills himself in protest over the Ally inaction over the Holocaust\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szmul_Zygielbojm\n\nAbout the Jew\n>Jewish merchants obtained a lot of power and were the religious leaders of their communities\n>The majority of the Jews were in trade and finance, the lowest classes were craftsman\n>Menial labor in Judaism is generally looked down upon as prost, or prole.\n>Because of this even the poorest classes of Jews tended be shoemakers or tailors (the most prominent tailors in Hollywood are all Jews)\n>Yeshiva (devout) men who did not provide bread and relied on their wives for money were not frowned upon but praised as ideal Jews.\n>In the yeshiva system of Talmudic study they focus on civil law, monetary law, contract law and marital law\n>Jews cope with the claim of them putting blood in the Eucharist by claiming \"sometimes red mold grows on bread\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey have always been a viciously ethnocentric people. So much so that they regard every other race of man as unintelligent cattle destined to be ruled over by their betters. They went around the world spreading deadly ideology and subverting the local governments of the lands they arrived in. They refuse to accept any form of criticism; it is all malicious lies made up by nefarious groups working against them entirely on the basis of race and no legitimate grievances. They hold the world's economies with an iron grip and they have been kicked out of every single land where they didn't outright drive away the natives. They boast about their high IQ, but they have only ever used it to produce weapons of death and prey on the general trust of others.\n\nBut anyway, enough about whites. Let me tell you about Jews..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>always been\nincorrect if you are trying to do a thing. the \"whites\" only began acting in that manner in the 17th century according to even the historians trying to make the claim you are making. The Jews had been acting in that manner since the 2nd Millenia BCE."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>only began acting in that manner in the 17th century\nAnd jews influenced them lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nclassic Jewish projection"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pol banned\nwhat? where are you from?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nIt's also worth noting that the Romans viewed early Christians and Jews as just Jews. They never made the official distinction until later on."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndesert tribes in arabia, sinai and syrian deserts like the Shashu and Hibiru\n\nbronze age collapses happens, settled in northern egypt but then expelled, somehow survive and manage to conquer canaan, their unlikely victory seeming miraculous they attribute it to a god, one god, monotheism is born, although with egyptian and canaanite influences\n\ninvaded by various empires, assyria, babylonia, persia and hellenics, their religion is strengthened and develops, the first \"organized religion\" which would become the norm in the middle ages centuries later, in the classical era the jews have unique characteristics\n\nfor a brief moment between the seleukids and romans they gain some independence but quickly become client states of the romans, at the same time Mediterranean trade booms and judaea becomes wealthy and their wealth and their religious fanaticism enables them to rebel against rome numerous times\n\nthe temple is destroyed and the romans go absolutely nuts beating jews into a pulp, who spread out among the roman trade network, a new sect, christianity which is more open to gentiles, also spreads to urban areas, many jews are now mostly \"rootless merchants\"\n\nroman empire goes through the crisis of the third century, the roman state recognizes the value of organized religion in re establishing order and adopts christianity as a state religion, however the romans are not long for this world, the climate becomes erratic, germanic tribes and steppe peoples like the huns threaten the western roman empire\n\njews linger in eastern rome and a few trading enclaves, plus a small population in palestrina, their religion also inspires islam which also shakes the world, later charlemagne restores order in western europe and jews trickle into europe's new trade networks\n\njews inhabit an odd place under medieval catholicism, neither pagan nor infidel but mentioned in the bible, in england people start to convert to judaism resulting in them being completely expelled"}, {"id": 13, "content": "contd...\n\nmongols trash eastern europe but as the gunpowder era arrives they are pushed out, all this empty land needs farmers, many are german but many german jews, \"yids\", settle these lands as well where they breed like rabbits\n\nindustrial revolution happens, western jews who tend to be literate are better placed to take advantage of it, religious extremism subsides also and anglos let jews back in, being devoid of jews, the few jews allowed back in tend to be highly educated entrepreneurs and financiers and complementary to the heart of industry there, anglos develop judaeophilia and their monarchs start LARPing as the jewish kings of the bible, gentlemen's clubs like the freemasons allow anglos of various protestant denominations to join and their jewish friends, some jews convert to the church of England like Disraeli's father\n\nthese jews corrupted in Britain send funds gained from industrial wealth to their jewish relatives in Europe and tend to be associated with the anglo, at the same time eastern jews in the now annexed Poland began to migrate into Germany, either as part of the German Empire or escaping the religious extremist Russians who impose oppressive restrictions on them to pressure them to accept the messiah, a large number go to the US also. Like typical immigrants they funnel into crime ridden ghettos. This creates an unusual situation, western jews are seen as mysterious interlopers, eastern jews are seen as polish revolutionaries and criminals, this was all apparent to a certain failed artist in Vienna\n\nafter russia and germany, whatever happened there, jews now veer to the far-left, but find a new lease of life in the US, judaeo-anglos help habituate the flood of eastern european jews and help them get into the same schools as their WASP buddies, good education and the postwar boom sees jews become wealthy and influential in the US, although the shock of the first half of the 20th century makes them unusually leftist for a wealthy group"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>twitter incels still think \"but le enough about x\" is an epic gotcha"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">\"You took a minor dispute over whether Buddhists were allowed to celebrate the Buddha's birthday, and you exploded that into a full-blown military crackdown - and for that, I applaud you\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "so this guy was 100% collaborating with glowies, right? i was watching some bong and american broadcasts talking about the august coup, and its jarring how obviously they gas him up. constant things like\n>calling him a shining beacon of democracy and freedom\n>saying he is the new hope for the russian people while gorbachev is unpopular and maybe people dont even want him rescued at all\n>that yeltsin defeated the coup and rescued gorby with a sophisticated, perfectly executed plan all by himself and that he is a genius mastermind\n>even bush senior was heaping praise on him\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsF4c06txHM [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdKuo9ZqVZw [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n-skpvwXa8 [Embed]\n\nhow does /his/ feel about him and the august coup in general?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was collaborating with glowies just like Jewtin who gave Yeltsin and \"the family\" a blanket amnesty shortly after taking office, and prevented the investigation of their crimes.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIMACO"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nunusually redpilled post\n\nThe west supported Yeltsin because they feared the CPSU, the KGB supported Yeltsin so they could steal shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>so this guy was 100% collaborating with glowies, right?\nIf by collaborating you mean agreeing on some things then yes, that seems to be accurate."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would change, etc.?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArid and constantly being beaten by el nino every year. Baja California is just in a crappy location"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpain would never have settled it after not finding any civs possessing gold. Assuming a strong centralized power like the US annexes it anyway, it would probably be used as a prison island or nuke test site."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nForgot to add that the only reason Spain made the effort to establish missions and trade routes in California was because the ports there allowed them to directly reach and receive galleons from Manila. Without a clear coastline they probably would've stuck to Texas and Baja."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>1 (OP)\n>>3\nWrong. It would have a better climate than it does now. Depending on how far the distance is from the mainland, the ocean currents would block continental (arid, super hot, super cold, super humid, etc) weather patterns from hitting the island. It would be even better weather than what the coast gets today. Think Madeira."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n\nCALIFORNIA WAS AN ISLAND UNTIL THE WAR OF SUCCESSION; LAKE CONIBUS DRAINED, EITHER, DUE TO A MINOR NATURAL CATACLYSM, OR DUE TO ARTIFICIAL MEANS DURING THE WAR, FLOODING THE WESTERN COAST OF NORTHAMERICA WITH WATER, SEDIMENT, AND SOIL.\n\nJUAN MARÍA DE SALVATIERRA REDISCOVERED THAT AREA, AND REFOUNDED CALIFORNIA."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is my cranial race?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet a job.\nYou also look like you have aids or smoke crack"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i don't know what a cranial race is but you look germano-slavic, either east german, czech, or west polish"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminds me of jack o connel. But a bit more german\nAmerimutt race"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus Christ, you are way hotter than me.\nWtf, I thought when I was on /his/ I was interacting with fellow uglies too."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndude I don't know. but why you think posting your face on this shithole would be a good idea is beyond me."}, {"id": 7, "content": "faggot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is literally the best Bible I have ever owned and it was sent to me for free.\n\nSome pages have one Bible verse and 100 lines of tiny footnotes. It also has maps and outlines. Some footnotes are stupid, some are plainly wrong, but most are basically the mainline protestant interpretation of the text.\n\nIf the full Bible with the Old Testament was not ridiculously expensive I would buy it.\n\nBased cult."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How am I as a Christian supposed to cope with having been a degenerate sad sack of shit for nearly my entire life? The guilt is overwhelming, I know Jesus has paid for it all but i still feel terrible"}, {"id": 2, "content": "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from *all* unrighteousness"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you were hindu one path would be to preform austerities and penances."}, {"id": 4, "content": "t. crazy religion spammer"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI feel very little guilt, I mostly feel resentment towards God for his constant abuse. This whole world literally exists because God wants to rape, murder, abuse and dominate people. God is not good he's the source of all evil and the reason why people behave evilly. He believes evil is necessary for him to be the sole-enjoyer of reality because he enjoys doing evil things to people and abusing them whereas he abuses me if I even think about things he considers \"evil\" like being attracted to women with dark hair, or eating cheesebugrers/corn chips, or going to college, or being attractive, or anything involving the ocean or maritime settings, or anything involving anything beautiful in nature, or wearing nice clothes, or having a nice house, etc. I get abused for literal private thoughts and fantasies in my brain that I don't share with anyone because he's a retarded sadist who doesn't value free will at all because freedom of the mind is the most absolutely basic freedom that is a prerequisite for having any other kind of freedom. My mind gets violated every second of every day and God abuses, harasses, terrorizes, threatens me if I think about literally anything he considers desirable including things as petty as plain corn chips, women with hair colors darker than blonde or red, or the solid color blue. I am an eternal victim because God forces me to reincarnate eternally as the frame of reference and sole-sufferer of reality, the only persistently real person in reality who God dominates and abuses eternally through his temporarily manifested bodies that aren't constrained by the same material limitations as me, all of them violating my mind, sharing the same mind with each other, united in opposition to me, capable of appearing or disappearing at will, not requiring sleep, not having to react to physical stimuli, bodies ability to function not tied to their physical health/anatomy, not affected by harmful stimuli, etc."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBad goyim you must spread your butt cheeks to make amends."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Step 1: humble yourself and repent of your sins\nstep 2: stop being a degenerate and do better from that point onward"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nActually seek help"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>7\nSounds like beta slave mentality.\nYou should be proud of yourself no matter what you do."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Constant threats of barbarian invasion from the north but was there any invasions from barbarians from the Nile? Egypt was a wealthy province . Did subsaharan Africans tribes raid wealthy Egyptian river settlements?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPersians were the main threat of the East, around Egypt the only annoying things would be occasional arab raiders"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>African raiders\nThe Roman authorities usually kept a good relation with the Berber tribes. While they did raid occasionally it was never a major issue that required great military intervention. Roman authorities generally managed their movements when they migrated around every year. There’s an entire thesis paper for a phd on late Roman Africa about it online. Though I don’t know where to find it anymore. In the Levant it was the Arabs that got a similar treatment. The Persians were an entirely different thing. Fighting more like the Romans than anything, restricted mostly to open warfare and large campaigns."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the Mongols bother with anything we would recognize as a causus belli? Beyond \"I want your shit lol,\" I mean."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">casus belli\nparadox brain shit\nnobody has ever needed a \"cause for war\", there have been factors and events that led to war but no, mongols never used the \"-1 stability horse horde invasion cb\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSometimes, not very often.\n\nBut given that it's the local Mongol thread.\nMongolfag, and I know you are here somewhere. Let's imagine all your fantasies come true and the Mongols roll through Europe India and also Egypt. How do you think the Mongols will develop from now on?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\niirc the mongols invaded iran because they killed a bunch of mongol merchants and an envoy"}, {"id": 5, "content": "They never actually called themselves \"Mongols\". Doesn't anyone find that odd?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>How do you think the Mongols will develop from now on?\nNot your guy, but their stupid empire is collapsing within a hundred years no matter what."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nglobohomo\n>:(\nglobohomo, 13th century\n:O"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"I want your shit lol,\"\nprobably never was a thing\nbut indeed they frequently offered some peace deal first\nnotable amount of folks just took power of mongols in consideration and preferred deal"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nBut they split into 4 distinct Khannates that rarely cooperated: not exactly global homogeneity, even if Steppe tribes had a knack for assimilating."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot sure about other places, but Yuan did claim causus belli against Jin and later against Song. Jin and Yuan had competing claims over the territory of the steppe so they were at war basically from the beginning, and after conquering Jin, Yuan declared war on Song after a Yuan envoy died under suspicious circumstances."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nI know but still. I want to know his take on the subject. Maybe it goes the way of the OG Mongol empire or something."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "brownest people in europe"}, {"id": 2, "content": "italy is several people put together\na milano is nothing like a sicillian"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\npolentoni are indistinguishable from terroni and both are wops regardless"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The importation of East Mediterranean slaves into Italy during Roman times has been a disaster for the Italian race"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthird world russhit OP"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>polentoni are indistinguishable from terroni and both are wops regardless\nthat's because half of the polentoni are terroni\n>Internal migration within the Italian geographical borders also occurred for similar reasons; its largest wave consisted in 4 million people moving from Southern Italy to Northern Italy (and mostly to Northern Italian industrial cities), between the 1950s and 1970s.\nbasically all urban epicenters of northern italy are half-terrone"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Self-indulgence is the act of satisfying one’s desires, pleasures, lusts, and whims, especially without restraint. In other words, it is the practice of having or doing anything that you like or enjoy, often somethings that you should not have or do."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it is the practice of having or doing anything that you like or enjoy\n\nThe fact that this is how God defines \"immoral\" behavior is literally proof that he's an evil sadist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nits the opposite of what you should do :p\ncare for others n stuff :D"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>often somethings that you should not have or do.\n\nGod should not have the ability to force me to exist in a retarded fake world as the frame of reference for reality so that he can abuse and dominate me through other people, with everything and everyone else being controlled by him, forcing me to experience hunger so that he can say that I'm \"bad\" for eating food, saying I shouldn't have food, generally acting like a self-indulgent sadist who gets sexual satisfaction from abusing me because he's a retarded sadist. he should not be allowed to create anything because he is a retarded sadist who only creates things to abuse and dominate them and self-indulge his sadistic urges. He should not be allowed to create a fake world so that he can act as the sole-enjoyer of reality while forcing me to act as the frame of reference and sole-sufferer of reality, being dominated and abused him him through everyone and everything else."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>eating food is the opposite of what you should do!!\n>other people should be allowed to do what they enjoy but you shouldn't!!\n\nGod is a retarded sadistic tranny"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nnothing wrong with a little self indulgence not wha a said :)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>eating food isn't always bad only when I want to use it as an excuse to abuse you (like right now)!!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nok"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat's exactly what you're saying because you're a retarded disgusting sadist retard whose primary concern is abusing people and manufacturing excuses to abuse people"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nok I dont care"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThank you for acknowledging the falseness of your intentions in making this thread, that you are not good and that your victims are not bad, and that you do not care about or possess any goodness."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI dont care"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were the Germans the first to associate Jews with promoting inferior art and primitive cultures, miscegenation, hedonism, individualism etc.? How about America?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Isn't it kind of sick that Hitler is so demonized in the west? Seriously, think about it. There are dictators, like Mao in China, or Stalin in Russia, who were even worse for even their own people than Hitler was, but they are not given the status of ultimate evil, and they are not associated with the actual race of the people themselves. But in Germany, and now in the west in general, we have indoctrinated our own children with both the idea that Hitler was the devil, but also that he is somehow representative of our own innate racial qualities (the old argument that this is what white people banding together will always look like).\nTo me, this seems like a recipe for absolute psychological self destruction, and there is no way out of this mental state other than the west killing itself, or fully embracing Hitler.\nDoes it not seem funny to anyone else that even Mao is not given such a harsh treatment in China despite killing about 70 million?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm a slavshit and we demonize Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hirohito, you name it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao didn't want to kill millions. He just didn't care that millions died if he could build communism. Which is bad, but the deaths were incidental.\n\nThe whole point of Nazism is the annihilation of everyone not part of the master race. So Hitler would have kept on killing and killing forever until crushed or until he exterminated everyone but a small \"aryan\" population."}, {"id": 4, "content": "White people have inflicted more suffering on the world than any other race ever and its not even close. They deserve to be demonized and go extinct."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>The whole point of Nazism is the annihilation of everyone not part of the master race\nSorry but I don't think I've ever seen a credible source for Hitler saying he wanted to conquer the world, or even exterminate all non-Aryans.\nIt really seems far more like\n>Mao didn't want to kill millions. He just didn't care that millions died if he could build communism. Which is bad, but the deaths were incidental.\nalso applies to Hitler, with the exception of his animosity for the Bolsheviks and therefore Russia by extension."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>what is Generalplan Ost"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>with the exception of his animosity for the Bolsheviks and therefore Russia by extension.\nCan you read? I already mentioned this.\nYour claim was he wanted to exterminate everyone. Even in Generalplan Ost, there is no evidence for him wanting to exterminate every other race or even attempt something so ludicrous as world domination."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nRussians definitely don't have the same relationship with Stalin that Germans do with Hitler. I once met a German girl who literally apologised for the holocaust within the first 5 minutes of conversation. It's fucking repulsive to watch them do this to themselves."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nGeneralplan Ost wasn't limited to the Bolsheviks, retard. The idea that he wanted to exterminate everyone is obviously ridiculous (wasn't my claim, I only dropped the post you're replying to), but partial Slav genocide in central/eastern Europe was on the table."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly if you mean sick in the same way someone calls a skateboard trick sick"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThere are several reason why Hitler is more demonized than Stalin.\n\nFirst reason is that the world simply didn't know much about Stalin. Soviet archives weren't available to historians until the 1990s, before then we only knew Stalin was bad because Khrushchev said he was.\nBy the time state archives were beginning to open in 90s-2000s, Hitler had already been established as the main villain of ww2.\n\nSecond reason is ww2 is still influenced by post-war propaganda (to convince that Germany was a greater enemy than the Soviet Union), and also often \"romanticized\" by pop-culture where Hitler is applied as an almost perfect villain and world war 2 in general is portrayed as very black and white.\n\nThird reason is quite elementary, he started the war, and he systematically murdered people in the most brutal of ways a human possibly could. Stalin murdered far more millions, but it wasn't the same kind of sophisticated machinery, nor were they subjected to the same level of torturous treatmen in the murder process.\n\nThat is not to say Stalin was less evil. He killed more, and without care. Modern public education does spend far more time and effort attempting to highlight the casualties of communists, at least here in Europe, and world war 2 is being taught in more abstract perspective as time goes. It's also a matter of which country you live in. An Estonian will certainly learn about the evils of Stalin and often place him on an equal league with Hitler, than an American would. For obvious reasons."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nI know Generalplan Ost wasn't limited just to Bolsheviks or Russians (I referred to that part of what I said because it indicated I'm aware of them wanting to remove slavs, etc. from Eastern Europe), but it is in no way evidence for Nazis wanting to kill all non-Aryans. I've never seen any evidence for that claim."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>he systematically murdered people in the most brutal of ways a human possibly could\nBut even this is simply not true and is yet another example of propagandized education.\nTake Pol Pot, for example. Pol Pot was objectively worse than Hitler even in the brutality of it. Anything you can say about the Nazi death camps or whatever, Pol Pot did all that and worse. Cambodians, however, do not associate to Pol Pot some kind of mythic status and somehow link Cambodian-ness to Pol Pot and whip themselves for the next however many decades. Germans do, and increasingly more and more non-German whites do as well, with Hitler.\n>[with Stalin]... nor were they subjected to the same level of torturous treatmen in the murder process.\nAgain, based on what? Anyone who lives in Eastern Europe knows you would quite easily get starved out just for having too much food. Most holocaust victims did in fact starve to death (and personally, I think being gassed or shot is probably less painful than being starved anyway).\nBesides, I think the modern state of how Germans think about themselves is almost proof that their relationship with Hitler and the way they see him and their own history has done extraordinary damage to them."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">Isn't it kind of sick that Hitler is so demonized in the west?\nNo.\n>who were even worse for even their own people than Hitler was\nLeading your country to destruction and international shame isn't a big deal, right? Hitler was a disaster for Germany and Europe as a whole but thankfully there will always be edgelords like yourself trying to rehabilitate him."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\n>The whole point of Nazism is the annihilation of everyone not part of the master race.\n\njewish horseshit."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\n>t."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>Cambodians, however, do not associate to Pol Pot some kind of mythic status and somehow link Cambodian-ness to Pol Pot and whip themselves for the next however many decades. Germans do, and increasingly more and more non-German whites do as well, with Hitler.\n\nI think this mostly has to do with Hitler and fascism being so strongly associated/designated as the natural endpoint of nationalism. Hence why German nationalism is now taboo."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWhen brown people do stupid shit they are wholly responsible for their behavior but when whites do stupid shit apparently they just have no agency and da jooz guide their hand like a child. What a childish view you have of human behavior."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>Leading your country to destruction and international shame isn't a big deal, right?\nThat's completely sidestepping the point. Mao killled nearly 70 million yet Chinese do not have a psychological complex about Mao. That's an objectively worse outcome than anything Hitler \"did' to Germany (if you can claim losing a war is the fault of the loser, which itself is uniquely applied to the Germans alone).\nAnd secondly the \"shame\" is the whole point - the entire question is why Hitler is given a unique level of evilness which is never given to Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, or anyone else, and why Hitler alone is identified with the European mentality as a whole.\nThis is not about rehabilitating Hitler, even. If anything it's more like noticing that on a purely psychological level, you cannot ever be mentally healthy unless you embrace the darker aspects of your personality, without condemning yourself for it. Germans are doing this strange psychological flagellation ritual which no other group of people does. Chinese people see the horrific things they did in the past and correctly choose to accept it and acknowledge that this is what happens in wars and history often gets ugly, and so on, and they are able to move on without hating themselves as a people.\nYou struggle to see how Germans can survive into the future with any of their culture intact given how self-hating they are now, and they won't ever overcome this while they fail to integrate the shadow, to to speak.\nNothing I'm saying is unreasonable."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're probably\n>not German\n>never been to Germany\n>not over 80\n>did not fight in WWII\nJust shut the fuck up already you whiny pussy. You're not terminally unemployed because some Austrian retard lost a war nearly 100 years ago. It's because you're a failson.\n>>15\n>nooooooo were not le racialists\nCrazy how adherents of Nazism usually hate \"shitskins\" and subscribe to racial pecking orders. Totally coincidental."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nHitler wanting to do this except the other way around"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nSays the guy who is taught from birth that everyone is a slave born to serve them."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\n\nIn regards to Pol Pot, you should probably be aware that the current ruling party are largely ex-kampuchea politicians. That would be like ex-NSADP being in power today in Germany.\n\nI can also promise you that Pol Pot is indeed regarded as the worst mass murderer of their time because they spend little time or effort on European history.\nSource: I lived in Siem Reap for 6 months as part of a charity organization.\n\nIn regards to eastern Europe, those countries does indeed spend far more educated on Stalins crimes than the western hemisphere does, however most the murders done by Stalin were largely \"completed\" by the time the USSR was in control of Eastern Europe. It's the immediate post-soviet republics that suffered the burden of Stalins killing.\n\nThe holocaust (and the tens of millions of Russian POW, and dozens of other category of people who are somehow excluded from the holocaust) were killed not just through starvation but through labour, and the majority were killed simply to get killed, straight to the gas chambers upon arrival. It was a systematic machinery that dwarfed any systematic machinery the USSR had organized. Most of the millions of deaths weren't even organized, but as a result of other intentions with absolute neglect for human lives.\n\nIt's also easy to compare statistics when you look at the mortality of the machinery. The amount of German POW that died in soviet captivity is a mere fraction of Soviet POW that died in German captivity."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nI'm almost certainly much much more highly paid than you, but money or jobs or status has nothing to do with what I asked. And besides, this way of thinking has clearly spread well beyond Germany now. Even the US and UK have developed a strange relationship where their own nationalism is associated with Hitler, despite them opposing Hitler.\nSo far >>17 is the only one who even addressed the question of why Hitler but not Stalin, Mao, etc."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>In regards to Pol Pot, you should probably be aware that the current ruling party are largely ex-kampuchea politicians. That would be like ex-NSADP being in power today in Germany.\n>I can also promise you that Pol Pot is indeed regarded as the worst mass murderer of their time because they spend little time or effort on European history.\n>Source: I lived in Siem Reap for 6 months as part of a charity organization.\nThanks for addressing the point.\nMy point isn't to say that Pol Pot isn't seen as a bad thing for Cambodia (which would be strange) but unless you have seen otherwise, I don't think there is this kind of self-humiliation about Pol Pot as a whole for Cambodia.\n>Most of the millions of deaths weren't even organized, but as a result of other intentions with absolute neglect for human lives.\nThat's mostly what I'm getting at with regards to the debate about how people were killed being a bit of an irrelevance. Firstly because what you just said here applies equally to both the USSR and Germany, and probably any country at war. But secondly, do we really put that much emphasis on the systematization of the killings in Germany? And even if that is the case (I'm not sure if it is), I still don't see how we leap from there to the absolute level of status Hitler is given, basically replacing the devil himself at this point.\nEspecially when you get onto the topic of statistics - the majority of people are simply unaware of minutiae like these, and I think it doesn't follow to begin with because statistics-based arguments if anything make you wonder more about why not so much guilt re: Stalin, etc.\nThe only argument I see that makes sense is that Russia effectively inherited the USSR, Cambodia inherited Pol Pot, and obviously China is still CCP run, whereas the NSDAP was replaced with American/Soviet occupation."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\n>Mao killled nearly 70 million yet Chinese do not have a psychological complex about Mao.\nWinners write the history. Mao was the most important founding leader of the Communist Party of China which is still in power in China. The NSDAP is outlawed in Germany so there's no state-controlled media to make films about why Hitler was a big hero like:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/aEZGw3Lwe0o?t=1367 [Embed]\n\n>Germans are doing this strange psychological flagellation ritual which no other group of people does.\nMaybe it's because they lost a big war, were basically destroyed, and then the country was split in half and occupied, which are some definite historical circumstances we can point to.\n\n>and they are able to move on without hating themselves as a people.\nThere's more of that than you think in China, as in self-loathing and not feeling like they measure up to the West, but I think part of what their whole revolution was about was trying to overcome that self-hatred and it's a work in progress.\n\n>>24\n>the US and UK have developed a strange relationship where their own nationalism is associated with Hitler, despite them opposing Hitler.\nSome nationalists in these countries like Hitler, because he was ultra-nationalist and white, and they see themselves in similar terms even if they're just imitating and don't have much in common with the real Hitler (please stand up)"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>as in self-loathing and not feeling like they measure up to the West\nthat's very, very different to the kind of masochism Germans and other Europeans are engaging in re: Hitler, but I think that's clear so no need to stress that too much\n>>26\n>Some nationalists in these countries like Hitler\ncome on, they're pretty much risking jail time if they're pro-Hitler in the UK\nI think\n>Winners write the history\nis the main common theme, but it makes me wonder why the US would want the Germans to hate themselves to this extent. They don't even do this with Japan for example (Japanese textbooks do actually teach war atrocities, contrary to the common meme, but they're generally just seen like anyone else sees it - this is what happens in a war). It seems like German culture and the national spirit was absolutely smashed in a way Japan for example was not.\nI wonder why the US would want the Germans to be this crippled. If you listen to what goes on in US-EU talks for example, the Germans give the impression of being absolutely castrated. They refuse to take leadership in so many ways that a healthy country wouldn't do. They defer to the US to an almost extreme degree, like they are allergic to making decisions or having leadership at all. (The exception is decisions which are purely financial of course)"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot a hisuanon so could anyone tell me how close he was to winning?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>come on, they're pretty much risking jail time if they're pro-Hitler in the UK\nHmm. I guess that would have an effect.\n\n>I wonder why the US would want the Germans to be this crippled.\nIf you mean independent, isn't it obvious? The U.S. has organized the world in a hierarchy of nations with itself at the top, and Germany is a big and wealthy industrial country in the middle of Europe with U.S. military bases there, and vis-a-vis NATO the U.S. ultimately calls the shots. As to why Germans accept this, they get some benefits out of it, they can invest in their people instead of their military, and it's a pretty good country to live in, they rebuilt themselves after World War II, have integrated Europe with itself at the core, and are pretty comfy. But then there's the war to their east and they're watching people die on television, so what will they have to do to preserve peace for another generation?\n\n>It seems like German culture and the national spirit was absolutely smashed in a way Japan for example was not.\nI'm not sure. There definitely was a lot of smashing, but German culture and history is more than the Third Reich. I've been there and it still felt pretty German to me."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nYes Jews are racist and so are you. That's why everyone despises you both."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI wasn’t born taught you were my slave born to serve me. Only you were. You are the bad guy."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nClose if he didn't take personal control of the army on the Eastern front\nThe Soviets improved when Stalin left army planning to professionals while the Germans collapsed when Hitler took control"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope and seethe. Total Germnigger death."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\n>I've been there and it still felt pretty German to me.\nWe must have been in different parts, or just been lucky and unlucky, because when I was in Frankfurt, I knew people who had been in Germany living and working for over 5 years and still could not speak German at all. They weren't even ashamed of that and seemed quite pleased. They were non-European, and spoke only English both at work and in day-to-day life. That certainly felt very non-German. Also down in BW near the border with France, while the scenery is nice and looks German, there are some areas which felt decisively non-European. But I suppose this is getting more into migration.\n>>29\n>If you mean independent, isn't it obvious?\nYes it is, and this was partly a rhetorical question since it seems obviously a power play by the US to snuff out a rival before it exists.\nHaving said that, my feeling is just that this is fairly extreme. I got the feeling that this is a country which has had some kind of psychological damage done to it which they're never going to be ok with. I don't think I've ever seen a nation of people so disgusted with anything too \"them.\" It's almost uncomfortable to be around."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>19\nNo one in the West cares about Russians or Chinese and those peoples are used to brutal regimes. Hitler's actions impacted Germany, Europe, and Western civilization at large so of course they care a great deal."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThat's not the answer because Russians care about Russians and Chinese care about Chinese, but we don't see the same self-flagellation. The regimes continuing at least partially was a better answer."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nIt is the answer because we don't care about them and how they view their leaders is irreverent to us. And I don't give a fuck what you think is a better answer, you narcissist."}, {"id": 38, "content": "How do you think Lebensraum would have been achieved?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>25\n>The only argument I see that makes sense is that Russia effectively inherited the USSR, Cambodia inherited Pol Pot, and obviously China is still CCP run, whereas the NSDAP was replaced with American/Soviet occupation.\n\nIt is not the only argument but it's absolutely an important one. Neither China nor USSR underwent a \"de-nazification\" (but the former has in recent years), and as I said in my first post, state archives were closed from the public for a very very long time, and post-war influence by the victorious allies, as well as modern dramatization to reflect current norms, has done its part in amplifying the portrayal of Hitler.\n\n>do we really put that much emphasis on the systematization of the killings in Germany?\nYes we do because the industrialization of killing that Germany managed to organize is far more traumatic firm of human malice.\nYou should also bear in mind that the west had been under a gradual liberalization for a century to end both racist and imperialistic norms and political structure it once built itself upon, with slavery and colonization based on human value. The crimes of the National Socialist government represented the peak atrocities of such attitudes and that's why it became even more repulsive.\n\nAnd again.... you trivialize the absolute barbaric systemic killing that was the extermination camps. Neither the Soviets nor the Chinese had developed any such kind of sophisticated machinery of ending human lives. Your chances of surviving as a kulak in the USSR was still far greater than surviving as a jew in Germany, and that's likely what people find more provocative. No one was going to escape."}, {"id": 40, "content": "This shit is recent. It's not a post-war thing. I think it started in the 90s or so. You /pol/tards really don't know history and always post some stupid crap.\nFucking clean Wehrmacht myth was alive and well even in early 1990s.\n\nI don't know what happened that Hitler became this big bad guy again. Sure, you had your Hitlers in video games, like in Wolfenstein, but you also had Soviets as the bad guy in Red Alert."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>And again.... you trivialize the absolute barbaric systemic killing that was the extermination camps. Neither the Soviets nor the Chinese had developed any such kind of sophisticated machinery of ending human lives.\nLiterally every story I got taught in history classes about this \"machinery\" turned out to be fake tho so it seems like a bs reason to me\nWe literally got taught about the holocoaster and the death grips wank machine like it was fact kek"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\n>It is the answer\nto a question nobody asked.\nThe question is why do they demonize themselves, so western views of Chinese are irrelevant, only Chinese views of Chinese are relevant comparisons."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>It's not a post-war thing.\nThat doesn't really change the issue though. It only makes it weirder."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know anon maybe it's the whole \"complete and utter annihilation of all non-german peoples\" that makes him unpopular"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>We literally got taught about the holocoaster and the death grips wank machine like it was fact kek\n\nSeriously? I've never seen those outside of the pol memes"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>2\nThey are all globally hated like all autocratic dictator psychopaths."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the difference between a Dominion and a country to the British by the time of WWII? Canada, Australia, and NZ even had their own foreign relations. I don't understand what made them different from countries."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no difference, they are independent countries since 1931 (Westminster Statute).\n\nIt's confusing but the offices of King of Canada, King of New Zealand, or King of Australia, are separate from the office of King of the United Kingdom. King Charles just happens to hold all four offices. But say he travels to Canada to give an Address to the Canadian Parliament, he is doing so in his role as King of Canada, he's not representing the UK. In day to day life, King Charles is represented by the different Governor-Generals of each country, which are locals appointed by the PM with approval of the Senate IIRC.\n\nBefore the Westminster Statute, the Dominions weren't independent countries because the UK would manage their foreign policy. Now the locally-appointed Governor-Generals, and their respective parliaments, do this."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">are we the baddies?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "WW2 is the most reddit war in history"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Those children were partisans."}, {"id": 4, "content": "I think they knew they were evil but just got off on being edgy. Every Nazi flag or symbol you can find just screams evil villain."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose nurses were partisans."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAhum"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat makes these guys worse than the Spanish Conquistadors or the American forces in Vietnam?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nbecause their victims happen to control the media"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">I think they knew they were evil but just got off on being edgy. Every American flag or symbol you can find just screams evil villain."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nTo be fair, there was actually a historical precedent for the totenkopf thing"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThe US intervention in Vietnam was a traditional war initially, being US and the North Vietnamese as belligerents. It wasn't our fault their civilians chose to participate in the war or refuse to leave the war zone. The limited massacres that did occur were not part of the goals of the campaign.\n\nThe conquistadors were deadly and infamous, sure. Apt comparison.\n\nThese guys, though, massacred 100,000 people in a single offensive. That's infamous."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown\nNone of those other patches participated in ethnic cleansing though, anon"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nkek"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nkilling people\n:)\nkilling people because of their ethnicity\n>:("}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYes, war happens. Are you a hippie or a fascist, I can't tell?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nethnic cleansing happens too."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Order 00083 happens, people are fucking pissed at the NKVD and Jewish snitches\n>Anon is surprised when revenge pogroms occur"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nA lot of the people who were killed had nothing to do with the war and many who died were women and kids. Also Many unable escape the war zone.\n\nYou’re a faggot."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nBlaming the Jews for Germany's issues was pretty much a psychotic delusion of Hitler and was used as a propaganda tool during the formation of the Nazi Party. Jews participated in the economy like everyone else did. Hitler himself seized power from those who were actually mismanaging the country and proceeded to don himself with the same autocratic control.\n\n>>17\nOk Manson, Helter Skeltzer is definitely going to happen and you're not a psychopath. Do you feel better now?\n\n>>18\n>but they couldn't escape\nMost of them were combatants lol"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Most Nazi stuff only seems \"obviously\" villainous bc they've been the inspiration for 80 years of villains"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Jews did nothing wrong\n>But most fucking Vietnam shits deserved to get roasted alive"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nhttps://youtu.be/xiYfn9kad9c [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nTake it easy on him. Poor guy has a mental illness called “boomer worship syndrome”"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nYou act like the Jews took up arms for the Commies to run around like Maoist Red Guards. That's what the Viet Cong did. The Jews were just subjected to being perceived as rich and in control although in reality they had similar poverty rates to other German citizens at the time."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nHe's an amerimutt exceptionalist who thinks any atrocity america commits is justified. Thankfully his nigger scum country is going down the toilet quickly."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI guess Trotsky and Susan Luxemberg didn’t exist."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n1919 Revolt+all the fucking Russians and Ukrainians executed on orders of Jewish-majority Politburo by Jewish-majority Cheka/NKVD"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\n>>25\nNone of these are actual arguments. I thought I'd get more thoughtful responses from /his/ fags. Just kidding, you guys are the slightly less extremist runoff of /pol/ and every time I post here the content is improved by a measurable amount by introducing well-known facts and common perspectives.\n\n>>26\nBecause they're Jewish and communist? Trotsky was Russian and wanted the Germans to win WW1 just in spite of Russia. Sure, the Jews were sometimes Socialist sympathizers, but were not responsible for the massive devastation of the German nation they are charged with. That was the Kaiser and his band of idiots.\n\nWho even is Susan Luxemberg? No google results.\n\n>>27\nThose were Germans revolting. Blaming it on the Jews came later."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>I thought I'd get more thoughtful responses from /his/ fags. Just kidding, you guys are the slightly less extremist runoff of /pol/ and every time I post here the content is improved by a measurable amount by introducing well-known facts and common perspectives.\nIts just the ESLs honestly, they've ruined 4chan"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nWhat are ESLs?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nIf you actually looked at the list of 1919 revolt leaders, like ~15+/20 of the listed names are jews. Crazy coincidence when considering the small % of German jew population."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nSorry mate, The name I meant was Rosa Luxemburg"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nEnglish as a Second Language. Its shorthand for people from third world countries who know just barely enough English to make basic conversation on English websites, but not enough English to understand its nuances, wordplay, or use of hyperbole. They are more often than not shallow and crass posters who exist only to air their grievances against the first world."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\n>>33\nCope! I’m literally a native english-speaking American."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\nwhat is there to argue with you? you believe that murdering hundreds of thousands of vietnamese civilians because 1/20th of them may have been VC is perfectly excusable (whereas ethnic cleansing for whatever reason isn't), it's absurd and you're a retard."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>>32\nKarl Liebknecht was German.\nRosa Luxemburg was more or less a socialist democrat that had no choice but to back radicals to remain relevant. Yes, her political philosophy sucked and was extremist compared to modern socialist democratic values.\n\nNot seeing the 15-20 Jewish leaders. List them, maybe. Regardless, it was a drop in the bucket with only 200 deaths. It was a quashed uprising, once again not the bogeyman made to be by Hitler in Mein Kampf.\n\nHitler's revolution was every bit as blame-filled and propaganda based as Mao. He said it himself. It's the rise to power that matters, everything else is complementary. He saw fit to kill Jews in order to prevent any domestic opposition like autocrats do, and kept the policy because the Germans loved it."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\ngeorge lucas was so based. say what you will, but the prequels had soul. only shitty one was return of the jedi"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nConventional warfare cannot be equated with ethnic cleansing. Take a comprehension test or something dude."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nif the wonton butcher of civilians constitutes conventional warfare, then ethnic cleansing (which occurred thousands of times in history) is too."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nHave fun, just imagine they're Viets that were part of your 20-1 KD ratio"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nNo, ethnic cleansing is killing for the purposes of eradicating an ethnicity. Conventional warfare is completing the goals of a campaign under the rules of warfare described by various treaties including the Geneva Conventions.\n\n>>unknown\nSo what of it, Germans and Jews alike gathered to rebel in the name of Socialism against a government in desperate need of reform and were immediately quashed. Obviously the next step is total eradication."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>unknown\n>These guys >>unknown were more innocent than Vietnamese civilians\n\nAbsolutely. Lower death toll, less damage done, no real results.\n\n>>40"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>7\n>Viet\n>>21\n>Viet\n>>40\n>Viet\n>>unknown\n>Viet\n>>39\n\nWater temperature check of the thread: these guys would rather defend Communism, the Viet Kong, and the Khymer Rogue than admit ethnic cleansing is villainous."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nAre these deadly and dangerous Vietnamese women in the room with us right now?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>Khymer Rogue\nwell plaid, you baited a few replies out of me."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>>44\nYou are 100% a European that was taught an exaggerated image of the humanitarian crimes committed during the Vietnam War.\n\nBy the numbers, 4-10,000 Vietnamese were directly massacred by US forces. 100,000 in Poland on a single offensive was the death toll for the SS squad. It's not even close.\n\n>>45\nThey are intrinsically related to the Viet Cong. It's their baby. Now THOSE were some mf'ing massacres."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>unknown\ncope"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nMost of these retards don't even know the good Hitler propaganda. They'd be a disgrace to even the Nazis.\n\nThat is of course because if you pull the words from Hitler's mouth and attempt to confirm a single part of his accusations of the Jewish people, you'd know he was using ethnic cleansing as a recruitment tool. Political dissidents got cleaned out in the process, too. Not dumb, just dead-ended once you apply that philosophy to geopolitics. Then you end up like any extremist Middle Eastern regime: called out on bluffs of domination and destroyed."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>8\nDamn, those Poles sure seem to be influential"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>34\nIf that's the case then you have no excuse for being a smoothbrain."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Explain whats wrong with Karl Marx without mentioning\n>mUh CoMmUnIsM"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He fractured the Brotherhood Of Man by introducing class antagonism into it, chasing away all the rich philanthropists who would have otherwise supported a strong welfare and regulatory state."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The notion that workers are exploited by capitalists rests entirely upon the labor theory of value. Well the labor theory of value is debunked bullshit that isn't taken seriously by most modern economists"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>The notion that workers are exploited by capitalists rests entirely upon the labor theory of value\nUpvoted! Very epic!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>The notion that workers are exploited by capitalists rests entirely upon the labor theory of value.\nFalse.\nhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/2265068"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis thought is based off Hegel instead of Schopenhauer"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">okay so you know that whole industrialization thing? yeah I'm going to rename that capitalism and claim it's an economic model, even though it happened spontaneously and I'm incapable of explaining how it actually came to fruition\n>okay now that that's over uh, industrialization is connected to the ancient slavery of rome, don't ask me how but it is, so this gives you context of how large your outrage should be\n>also I fully understand that this is originated in britian and spread into european empires but I'm going to pretend like it all unfolded the exact same way in every country even though it didn't, because my theories are made to indoctrinate retards and they will get lost in the nuance\n>so my entire theory revolves around the injustice of industrialization and how I can make it better by destabilizing the country and ransacking industry and rebuilding it, yes that will probably take more time than industry standards equalizing on their own but bear with me here\n>see smarter men than me came up with this theory that if you think really hard about something you want to be true and call it \"science\" you will magically find the question for your answer, so uh, believe me, wont you please?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nexplain what's wrong with Hitler without\n>mUh NaZiRinOs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Hunnic queen from Bavaria\nSo Turks were native to Germany all this time?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "hun =/= armenian who speaks a turco-persian pidgin language"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThen why isn't Armenia green on that map you retard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">during the planning of the operation majority of the navy admirals did not understand why the marine generals were not content with just taking okinawa\n>the navy commanders were worried that the marines were going to wipe out the three marine divisions that were being sent to iwo jima, they believed they could simply be used on the upcoming okinawa invasion instead\n>the first justification for taking the island was to use it as fighter escort for b-29 bombers, but this was barely used after the taking okinawa anyway, due to okinawa being far closer to the mainland compared to iwo jima, which helped the p-51 fighter pilots with having a shorter distance flying time\n>the second justification was to use the island for b-29 emergency landings, but this too was barely ever used due to okinawa being closer to the mainland once again\n>the real reasons for taking the island were more personal to the marine corps itself\n>marine generals were worried that the corps would shrink back to what they were prior to ww2 and needed all the victories they could get to prove to washington that they were on the same level as the army\n>in reality the island could've been bypassed\n>in the end taking the island may have saved a few hundred lives with the b-29s, but it was not worth the thousands of american lives it took to take the island\nIs this retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel turned Historian right about the Battle of Iwo Jima?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">crayon eaters act like a bunch of retards\nImagine my shock"}, {"id": 3, "content": "hilarious and sad if true"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Le bump"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably could be bypassed but it was a way to tell Japanese High command they had no hope left and the US could take anything they wanted."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nUnfortunately it is"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm skeptical of claims like this, that hint at or outright claim hidden and ulterior motives. It's just as likely that the main concern at the time really was what was stated, and it only became obvious in hindsight that taking Iwo-Jima was unnecessary.\n\nWhat proof (not evidence, proof) does he have that the Marine Corps commanders wanted to take the island because they were afraid that the corps would not be shrunk, folded back into the army or whatever else? I find this a doubtful claim, there had been multiple USMC amphibious assaults by that point and the jarheads had more than proven their worth by that point."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>would not be shrunk,\nwould be shrunk, fixed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\n>I'm skeptical of claims like this, that hint at or outright claim hidden and ulterior motives.\nOk\n>It's just as likely that the main concern at the time really was what was stated, and it only became obvious in hindsight that taking Iwo-Jima was unnecessary.\nHindsight or not it should’ve been very obvious that the Navy commanders were in the right from the beginning. They had already bypassed far more strategic islands throughout the Pacific campaign.\nThey knew that the Japanese were dug in and they knew that they needed every Marine for the up coming Okinawa invasion. So why risk it all on this random rock in the middle of nowhere?\nWhat worth was Iwo Jima?\n>What proof (not evidence, proof) does he have that the Marine Corps commanders wanted to take the island because they were afraid that the corps would not be shrunk, folded back into the army or whatever else?\nRead the book and check his sources, they’re in there.\nBut it seems that most of his sources for this book are;\nSources:\n•Records of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: 1941-1945, the Nimitz papers held at the Naval Historical Center, the V Amphibious Corps after action report.\n..\n•Marine Corps University Research Archives\n..\n•Naval Historical Centre (not including the Nimitz papers)\n&\n•National Archives\n>I find this a doubtful claim, there had been multiple USMC amphibious assaults by that point and the jarheads had more than proven their worth by that point.\nThat’s not his point he tries to make, it wasn’t about proving themselves, as you were saying the individual Marine had already done that. It was more about that the Marine Officers simply wanting to have more battles/islands under their belt."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBigger blackpill incoming. Ahem.\n\nThe battle of Iwo Jima NEVER HAPPENED. It was a propaganda staged event. Most of the “vets” giving interviews about it were glowniggers and crisis actors. Look it up on bitchute."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There's something I deeply admire about semites that sets them above every people on earth. Their ability to hate the world and love God.\n\nThe same way the jew quietly accumulates prosperity for the sake of his covenant with Yahweh, the same way the arab loudly devotes his life to Allah in a passionate and irreversible attack on his enemies. It is something that the west lost; the ability to value things above human life. To not be cowards. To see meaning beyond humanity. It is a beautiful thing"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npic related is an actors potrayal of an indo-european ( kurd ) THOUGH"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArab is a linguistic group though not a people"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the same way the arab loudly devotes his life to Allah in a passionate and irreversible attack on his enemies. It is something that the west lost; the ability to value things above human life. To not be cowards. To see meaning beyond humanity.\nBut they are cowards. They only do those things because they believe that life never ends, that sacrificing your body leads to eternal pleasure in paradise. Courage is to embrace the void while knowing that nothing awaits you on the other side."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of the most overrated commanders ever"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThat is just nihilism with extra steps"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsemites are god's chosen"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nyou don't know what you don't know"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">There's something I deeply admire about semites\n\nChristianity in a nutshell"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did you hate history as a subject in school?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">loser countries hate history"}, {"id": 3, "content": "My guess is those countries really hammer the students hard with history and that's why they hate it."}, {"id": 4, "content": "No. My history teacher rebuked a student who said that hannibal barca was black, which was kek."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n\nYep, turkey and Russia would almost certainly highlight history in public education to promote nationalist feels because both leaders of Russia and Turkey are very vocal about identity pride and using history as a reference for current events.\n\nGreece and Italy probably because We Wuz Cradle of Le Western Civilizationzzz"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy favorite subjects in school were Language Arts/Literature with History being a close second\nAmerican btw"}, {"id": 7, "content": "History class if full of propanganda and brainrot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHated history in middle school and usually did poor grade wise.\nLoved history in highschool and was a straight A student.\nHated history in college after finding out history class is 90% reading long boring books every week.\n\nI love writing 10 page papers with some primary sources sprinkled found with google. But asking me to read 500 page biography on Andrew Jackson is torture to me."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Polish"}, {"id": 10, "content": "I DETESTED MATHEMATICS: SO ARID; I WAS GOOD AT IT, THOUGH."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nThe narrow focus is the brain rot"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "GETÚLIO VARGAS' SUICIDE NOTE\n\nYet again the vetted interests against the people have coordinated amongst themselves and yet again have they also done so against myself. They do not accuse; but insult me. They dare not fight me; they slander me, depriving me of my right to stand my own ground. They feel a need to suffocate my voice and impede my actions, so that I may not again defend the poor and simple folk as I have always done.\n\nI tread the fate that has been assigned to me. After decades of complete and total financial domination of certain international groups, I made myself into the leader of a revolution and dared to win. I began my work in earnest of liberating our people and installed a regime of social freedom. I was forced to resign. Later, I returned to politics while embraced by the arms of the people. The subterranean campaign of some international groups allied itself to national sectors that were up in arms against labor safety guarantees. The Extraordinary Profits Bill had been halted by Congress. Against the righteousness that was the proposal of correcting minimum wages, hatred began to sprout. I wished to potentialize our national riches through Petrobrás, and, still barely out of planning phase, political agitation began to rear its ugly head. Eletrobrás was obstructed to the point of despair. They wish not for the freedom of the working man.\nI came into the executive during the inflationary spiral responsible the destruction of what our labor was worth. Foreign companies’ profits would reach up until 500% per year. At the import sectors, there were blatant, outstated frauds of more than a hundred million dollars a year. When the coffee crisis hit, our main export became valuable overnight. We tried to defend its price in the international markets, and the answer was an incredibly violent pressure on our own economy, to the point where we were forced to bend the knee. (1/2)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have fought month to month, day to day, hour to hour, attempting to resist a constant, incessant pressure, bearing it all in silence. I have forgotten everything, renounced what it meant to be myself, in order to defend the people, which now finds itself destitute. There is nothing more to give the people except my own blood. If the birds of prey desire for blood, so that they may continue sucking the Brazilian people dry, I offer to them my life in holocaust.\n\nThis is the manner which I have chosen to always be with you. Whenever you are humiliated, I offer you my soul, ready to stand by in commiserated suffering at your side. Whenever hunger knocks at your door, I offer you the opportunity for passion to bloom inside your chest so that you may dare to fight for yourself and your children’s futures. Whenever they make a villain out of you, you shall feel in your thoughts the necessary strength for reaction. My sacrifice shall keep you united and my name will serve as your war banner. I ask you to permit that each drop of my blood become an ever-lit ember inside your conscience, capable of maintaining this sacred vibration for resistance. To hatred, I answer with forgiveness.\nTo those that think they have me defeated, I defiantly answer with my victory. Once the people’s slave, I now free myself unto eternal life. That the people that I was once a servant may dare to no longer be under chains. My sacrifice will forever be engraved inside your memories and my blood will be the price for your freedom. I have fought against the reckless pillaging of Brazil. I have dared to fight with an upright chest. All the hatred, slander and libel were not enough to snuff out my spirit. I have given you my own life. Now I offer you my own death.\n\nThere is nothing to fear. I serenely walk into the first step down Eternity’s path, so that I may leave this life to enter History."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Alright /his/, if you're true historical Chads, tell us the oldest/most historical item you own\nI have a coin from ancient Rome depicting Emperor Valentinian I"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have the ark of the covenant"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI managed to find WW1 era russian gas mask in my family's attic.\n\nNo clue who it belonged to, but I had fun with it in discord voice chat with the boys."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Some Imperial and Weimar marks from my grandma"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWhat condition is it in?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAn obsidian arrowhead"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA coin from 1945, still has the old King on it and all in latin."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor me it's this. A hemiobol from Mysia, Kyzikos, minted in around 480 - 450 BC."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOn one side (the right) is a side profile of a lion, and on the other side (the left) is a warthog."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\none of these bad boys\nNot particularly old (~130 years), but makes up for it by being sick as shit"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was gay i heard"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni have a Trajan denar, pic related, from circa ~110 AD"}, {"id": 13, "content": "5,000 year old arrowheads"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThe Optimus Princeps himself."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nWent to check but I think I lost it"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nExtremely based. The oldest gun I own is my grandfathers old revolver but thats only from the 50s. Its chambered in .357 magnum though so still a nice find"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Abbevillian chopper, about 1.8 million years old"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\na lamp.\nyes, a literal cheapest lamp of 19th century.\nThats the only antiquity i have."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nHow even archaeologists distinguish between a chunk of rock and a tool?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nis it at least a nice lamp?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>oldest\nI got a 4 billion year old pebble in my shoe.\n>most historical item you own\nMy greatgrandfathers bayonet from WW2. I used to think the rusty part are russoid blood when I was a little kid."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Famous women’s suffragist Alice Paul died on July 9th, 1977.\nStar Wars was released on May 25th, 1977.\nTherefore, Alice Paul could have seen Star Wars."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Wlt Disney died on December 15th, 1966\nThe Beatles released one of their most influencial albums, Revolver, on August 5th 1966\nThus, Walt Disney could've listened to Revolver"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHe probably would have hated it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI think he would've enjoyed Yellow Submarine, since that song was basically The Beatles writing the theme to a then-nonexistent animated movie that they wanted to be in the vein of a Disney film"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that the newly created soviet government was originally 80% lead by jews and then became jewish-free after Stalin persecuted them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "yup, stalin was a georgian, not even slav, and he bullycided the jews and sent them to the gulag.\nrussian jews are still butthurt about it today, you see the most virulently psychotic anti russian neocons are usually descended from russian jews"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo it's bullshit. That might be true if you're counting random people as Jews for your /pol/ infograph as well as Lenin for having a jewish grandfather."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Jews were not disproprotionately represented among the Old Bolsheviks although there were some. If anything it was more churkas and Ukrainians with Kaganovich the only Jew remaining in the Politburo after the purges."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">I have a list of 25 communist subversives working in the State Department.\n>Alright, Senator, may we see this list?\n>No."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">actual list contains known communist spies\nWhen are you going to stop posting this"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo was he too scared to blow the whistle or did he just make up that bullshit to intimidate his political opponents with the illusion of having probable cause?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey called him a Chud Nazi and took all his power away"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nLook up the Venona Project. Fun read."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomeone should have done a double-McCarthyism and accused him of being a communist sympathizer for refusing to publish the list."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey actually did try that, Jews are always first to try and gaslight"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">McCarthy had some nerve exposing those gay Jewish communist Hollywood screenwriters who...were gay, Jewish, and communists"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Soviet Union was Americas cheif political rival. Thus, it didn't even matter if what McCarthy said was true or not, because McCarthyism was never actually about attacking economic systems. McCarthy didn't even know what Communism was, all he knew was that it was the ideology of Americas enemies, so naturally people in America showing Communist sympathies, in his eyes, were just one short throw away from selling out to the Soviets. In this context, I think McCarthyism can be partially justified in a purely political sense, but its difficult to justify how it negatively effected honest economic discourse in America for the next half-century"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Hollywood being Communist"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nbut anon, don't you know? communism is when a casting director hires a black guy to play in a movie! darn those soviets!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nJFK knew fuck-all about communism as well and he looked helpless trying to debate Khrushchev in '61."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">In the famous radio debate between Harold Stassen and Thomas Dewey in 1948, the former asked why we could simply not ban the CPUSA. Dewey replied that to do so would infringe on the 1st Amendment and make us no better than Hitler and Stalin.[3]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nThere were actual communists in Hollywood at the time though"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncheck out the ashtrays on the desk. you never see that at conferences anymore."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nIt's true though. Same reason why wignat parties aren't legally banned: it lends credence to their position and makes the state look incompetent."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>>17\nno but you cannot get a lot of government jobs including anything that involves access to sensitive information if you have been a member of extremist political organizations"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nMay we see it?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nSpecifically, back in the 50s they banned known communists from serving in the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, special ops, or from holding a rank in the armed forces above noncom and those regulations are still in effect."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>8\n>known gay jewish communists such as… Charlie Chaplain"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nChaplin was a kike and deserved the death penalty. I wish Germany won WW2 so that subhuman could have been hanged"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Charles Spencer Chaplin Jr. was born on 16 April 1889 to Hannah Chaplin (née Hill) and Charles Chaplin Sr. His paternal grandmother came from the Smith family, who belonged to Romani people.[1][2][3][4] There is no official record of his birth, although Chaplin believed he was born at East Street, Walworth, in South London.[5][a]\n\nno he wasn't a Jew. actually worse he was part Gypsy."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMcCarthy was completely vindicated by the Venona Files.\n\nEven the World Bank and the IMF were founded by Jewish communists working for the Kremlin (Harry Dexter White and Frank Virginius Coe)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It's all so tiresome"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">As you can see Mr Speaker, anime sparks a primal urge that causes white people wanting to reproduce again. An army of hapas will eventually liberate America from niggers and jews."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>Yesss GOyiMS, believe the pilpul! You need to eat nigger anus or otherwise you're a racist turd."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n>wish Germany won WW2 so that subhuman could have been hanged\nBut I thought that never happened."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminds me off all those Nazi death camps"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>14\n>There were actual communists in Hollywood at the time though\nMaybe there still are heh heh heh\n\nBut there were. This movie (Mexican-American miners in New Mexico) was actually made in 1954 by blacklisted communist directors and screenwriters, starring (among the more professional actors) actual mine workers in that area who had been in a communist-controlled union that was expelled from the CIO.\n\nThey actually got shot at while making the movie and border hopped while making it, like staying on the Mexican side and then hopping over to film scenes. It's actually an example of American social realism. The more you know. The final product was a hit in Europe and won prizes in France and Czechoslovakia:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/FE1oKQCwwo4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nHow on earth did you manage to make this about interracial sex"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nhapas are genetically wired to hate whites"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nyou're talking to one of the many schizos that infest this board, just type that phrase into the archives and you will see he uses it whenver somebody calls him out"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nI can see your huge nose from here."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>illegal spics crying about not having hot water\ncommunism is so paper thin"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nClose the blacked tab"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Btfos Jews\n>Btfos blacks\n>Btfos slave owners\n>Btfos women\n>Btfos materialists\n>Btfos idealists\n>Btfos Hegel\n>Btfos Christcucks\n>Btfos Muslims\n>Solves the world\n>Ends philosophy\n\nSeriously how did 1 man do it?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did the besermayan become muslim?\nThey are basically muslim Udmurts"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKhanate of Kazan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Abrahamic god is the only one that could possibly be real because He mogs every other god in popularity and a real god would never allow himself to be mogged."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">We wuz mecha\nWhy japs like this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">mechas have their own board\n>religion doesn't"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did they want him dead?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">paddy papist\n>his administration is nicknamed Camelot\nthe gall of the bogtrotting bastard"}, {"id": 3, "content": "ask any conspiracy theorist, they'll all give you a different answer. Lee Oswald was just a lone schizo, its really not that hard to understand. Mental illness existed back then just like it does now. I really don't understand why we need conspiracy theories to rectify this fact. Like, people do realize JFK was just Americas president right? I know the average /pol/tard loves generalizing all events in America as being the responsibility of a single presidential administration and all that, but presidents aren't kings. There was nothing to gain from assasinating Kennedy that couldn't be gained by just lobbying Congress."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Who's \"they\"? The following have all been been claimed to be behind it:\n>CIA\n>The USSR\n>Cuba/Castro\n>Israel/Mossad\n>The Mafia\n>Anti-Castro Cubans\n>Pentagon hardliners\n>Texan oil barons"}, {"id": 5, "content": "I love how people actually think there wasn't something fishy going on despite Oswald being whacked, or the man Kennedy fired being put in charge of the investigation.\nHow fucking obvious does it have to get?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt was fishy as hell.\n\nMy main theory is some Commies convinced Oswald they were CIA to get him to assassinate JFK."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nTo be the devil's advocate he was overall a basic bitch centrist president, not some fringe radical out to upend \"the system\" that needed to be put down before he [abolished the CIA/defunded the Federal Reserve/sent Marines storming into Tel Aviv/had everyone in the military-industrial complex hanged on the White House lawn/etc]"}, {"id": 8, "content": "The most reasonable story, bolstered by declassified documents from the past few years, suggests that Oswald was a troubled young radical who had come under the sway of George de Mohrenschildt, a White Russian emigre with strong CIA ties, who egged him on up until November of 1963.\n\nAs to why the CIA (or a rogue hard-right faction of it) would do this? While JFK was elected as a hawk, he was still disliked by the CIA both for firing Allan Dulles and for rejecting proposals like Operation Northwoods, and desired for the CIA to have more stringent civilian oversight. My only real reservation with this story is that it would have more sense for the CIA to ratfuck Kennedy in more subtle ways, like leaking stories on his many, many affairs and either forcing him to resign or lose the 1964 election, rather than going straight to killing him."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nStill doesn't rule out foreign actors."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSo I was right:\n>>6\n\nIt makes sense. The USSR was obsessed with destabilizing the US."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMohrenschildt was definitely not a red, and there's no evidence that the USSR or any other communist state had any plans to assassinate Kennedy. If anything it was the inverse (Mohrenschildt played a leftist and groomed Oswald in that way)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nTrue, but it seems like insanity for any of the Soviet-aligned countries to risk the Cold War turning hot over a president with a pretty mediocre foreign policy record. Israel makes more sense, but unless you buy into the \"Jews control (((America)))\" stuff it seems doubtful they'd risk offing a president who - however he may have opposed Israel's nuclear program - wasn't exactly taking major steps to stop it"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYeah, Mohrenschildt wasn't the link then. But hey, you can do worse to destabilize a country than killing a president."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nApparently 20% of the US thought Johnson was involved in the killing in 2003"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Texaco insider Clint Murchison had meat packing interests in Haiti which were looked after by CIA agent George de Mohrenschildt, a wealthy Russian oilman and, according to the FBI, a Nazi spy during WWII. It was de Mohrenschildt who drove Lee Harvey Oswald from New Orleans to Dallas days before the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy\n\n>Gaeton Fonzi, a special investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, was on his way to interview de Mohrenschildt in Florida regarding his role in the JFK hit when the CIA agent was found with a shotgun blast through his head. De Mohrenschildt’s diaries were later uncovered. One entry read, “Bush, George H. W. (Poppy), 1412 W Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland”\n\n>Kennedy had done plenty to piss off the US military establishment. In October 1963 he pulled 1,000 advisers out of Southeast Asia and issued NSAM 363 – a blueprint for a total Vietnam withdrawal. He sent US Ambassador to Guinea William Atwood to Cuba to begin talks with Fidel Castro, after publicly blasting the CIA’s bungling of the Bay of Pigs operation. Kennedy said he wanted to “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds” and that he understood Castro‘s revolutionary struggle against dictator and Meyer Lansky crony Fulgencio Batista, who Kennedy called, “an incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the US”\n\n>Ted Shackley, Santos Trafficante and the CIA boys running Operation Mongoose – which aimed to assassinate Castro – were especially outraged at Kennedy. Major General Edward Lansdale had commandeered Operation Mongoose and escalated it into a small war against Cuba. In 1965 Lansdale helped Lucien Conein set up the South Vietnamese Opium Monopoly under President Nguyen Cao Ky. The CIA continued to train anti-Castro rebels in south Florida and around Lake Pontchartrain outside New Orleans, even after JFK had the FBI raid the camps"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Oswald literally defected. He did it for the Soviets whether they wanted to or not. They probably did contact him and were in favor of the plot."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nHe's the one person I don't think was involved at all. Incidentally, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all doubted the Warren Commission."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\npeak midwit"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>Kennedy fired CIA Director and Rockefeller cousin Allen Dulles, CIA Deputy Director Charles Cabell (whose brother was the mayor of Dallas) and CIA Deputy Director of Plans Richard Bissell. Richard Helms was Bissell’s successor at the Company’s dirty tricks bureau, as the Plans section was known. Helms was tight with James “Jesus” Angleton, who ran the CIA’s MK-ULTRA mind control program for years, utilizing techniques Dulles obtained in Switzerland from the House of Saud Muslim Brotherhood\n\n>All the Watergate plumbers came from an Operation Mongoose offshoot known as Operation 40. Plumber Howard Hunt was paymaster for Operation 40, which also included plumbers Bernard Barker and Enterprise liaisonRafael Quintero. Plumber Frank Sturgis ran the Miami-based International Anti-Communist Brigade, which was funded by Santos Trafficante through his Teamsters Local 320 front. The other Watergate burglars were Felipe Diego and Rolando Martinez. They were buddies with OSS China hand William Pawley, who had owned sugar refineries in Cuba as well as the country’s bus line\n\n>Hunt ran the Miami based Double-Chek, a CIA channel during the Bay of Pigs. Sturgis physically attacked Vietnam War opponent Daniel Ellsberg on the steps of the Capitol and recruited agent provocateursto disrupt peaceful protests at the 1972 Democratic Convention\n\n>As part of Operation 40, Frank Sturgis recruited Marita Lorenz to seduce Castro, then kill him. Miss Lorenz says she rode to Dallas in a vehicle loaded with weapons with Frank Sturgis, Jerry Patrick Hemming, two Cuban exile brothers named Novis and a pilot named Pedro Diaz Lanz. Lorenz says they arrived in Dallas the day before Kennedy was shot, where they met Howard Hunt at a local hotel"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>>19\nThere is zero chance the CIA would be ok with toppling a US President like a 3rd world autocrat. It's not in their nature. They will justify insane things for national security, but never domestic attacks."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nPart of my thesis is that it was a hard-right, Bircher-adjacent faction of the CIA, rather than the orders coming directly from Langley."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6TOkiUqHDQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>Fletcher Prouty was an Air Force intelligence officer who had been part of Kennedy’s fact-finding mission which resulted in the NSAM 263 directive calling for a US pullout of Vietnam. On November 10, 1963 Prouty’s boss Edward Lansdale reassigned him to a South Pole desk job. Twelve days later Kennedy was assassinated. Prouty swears that a photograph of Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination shows Edward Lansdale walking away from the scene of the crime\n\n>Others have identified Howard Hunt as one of the tramps who lurked on the railroad tracks behind the grassy knoll from where the fatal shot was fired\n\n>George Bush Sr. headed Houston-based Zapata Offshore Petroleum from 1956-1964. According to authors William Cooper and David Icke, in 1961 Zapata got the CIA into the Columbian cocaine business. Zapata’s offshore oil platforms were used to transship cocaine, while the Four Horsemen shipped chemicals to Columbia necessary in the production of coke\n\n>One CIA operation to invade Cuba was code-named Operation Zapata. Two Navy ships used in the attempt were named Barbara and Houston\n\n>An FBI memo from J. Edgar Hoover dated 11-23-63 discusses briefing “George Bush of CIA” on the Kennedy assassination, which had occurred one day earlier. Bush was in Dallas on November 22nd. One intelligence source stated, “I know he (Bush) was involved in the Caribbean. I know he was involved in the suppression of things after the Kennedy assassination”"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>In a 1973 interview published in the Atlantic Monthly, Kennedy Vice-President and successor Lyndon Johnson – himself a Texas oilman – hinted at a conspiracy on that gloomy day in Dallas and talked of a “Murder Incorporated” being run by the CIA out of the Caribbean. Johnson was referring to Permindex (Permanent Industrial Exhibitions) – an assassination bureau run by the Special Operations Executive (SOE) of Britain’s MI6\n\n>According to a book published by Executive Intelligence Review called Dope Inc.: The Book That Drove Kissinger Crazy, Permindex was funded by the Canadian Bronfman family and the wealthy Polish Solidarist Radziwill family. Permindex leader, MI6 SOE Colonel Sir William “Intrepid” Stephenson, had earlier deployed the Meyer Lansky syndicate and helped rehabilitate Lucky Luciano\n\n>SOE Colonel Louis Mortimer Bloomfield was an OSS veteran and Bronfman liaison who chaired Permindex since its 1958 founding in Montreal and Geneva. SOE and Permindex insider General Julius Klein ran guns to the murderous Haganahwhen the Zionists seized Israel from the Palestinians. He “handles” Buffalo mob boss Max Fischer and Carl Lindner at United Brands – whose banana boats, according to DEA, regularly ship cocaine to the US\n\n>Other SOE members included David Sarnoff, whose RCA conglomerate at that time formed the core of the US National Security Agency; and Walter Sheridan, who provided intelligence to Resorts International and fugitive financier Robert Vesco. The most familiar member of SOE was Colonel Clay Shaw- whose son of the same name is a Florida Congressman serving on a House Narcotics Task force"}, {"id": 25, "content": "On November 23, 1963, the day after the assassination, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover's preliminary analysis of the assassination included the following:\n\nThe Central Intelligence Agency advised that on October 1st, 1963, an extremely sensitive source had reported that an individual identifying himself as Lee Oswald contacted the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City inquiring as to any messages. Special agents of this Bureau, who have conversed with Oswald in Dallas, Texas, have observed photographs of the individual referred to above and have listened to a recording of his voice. These special agents are of the opinion that the referred-to individual was not Lee Harvey Oswald.[61][62]\n\nThat same day, Hoover had this conversation with President Johnson:\n\nJohnson: \"Have you established any more about the [Oswald] visit to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico in September?\"\n\nHoover: \"No, there's one angle that's very confusing for this reason. We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man at the Soviet Embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there was a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy.\"[58][62]\n\nIt was the soviets. Probably by the same Stalinists that ousted Khrushchev. They likely wanted JFK dead because he was seen as an ally to Khrushchev and a contributor to the liberalization of the USSR"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>Shaw was an OSS veteran who later became Director of the New Orleans International Trade Mart – the US subsidiary of Permindex. Shaw was indicted in 1969 for his role in the Kennedy assassination by New Orleans attorney Jim Garrison. During the trial, 17 key prosecution witnesses died and Garrison became the target of a smear campaign\n\n>Shaw served under Stephenson for twenty years starting in WWII, where he had been OSS liaisonto Winston Churchill. SOE operatives infiltrated the FBI and formed Division Five, a British intelligence Fifth Column which was headed by Bloomfield. Both Bloomfield and Shaw were present at a series of meetings in Montego Bay, Jamaica in 1963. The meetings were held at the Tyndall Compound, built by Sir William Stephenson to serve British intelligence interests in the Caribbean after WWII\n\n>Stephenson had launched BRINCO, an energy exploration firm financed by the Oppenheimer family’s Rio Tinto. He moved to Jamaica in 1949 and set up the British-American-Canadian Corporation with financing from UK merchant banking giant Hambros. It was Stephenson who helped Allen Dulles stash the Hitler and Goebell trusts in Swiss bank accounts after WWII. Now he presided over the Montego Bay meetings where, according to many Kennedy assassination researchers, the JFK hit was planned\n\n>Those present at the meetings included Ferenc Nagy, a WWII cabinet minister in the pro-Hitler Horthy government of Hungary, who later became Hungarian Prime Minister; Georgio Mantello, a Romanian emigrewho served as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini’s Trade Minister; Paul Raigoradsky, a Russian Solidarity leader; and Jean de Menil, an old money European aristocrat and Russian president of Schlumberger, the giant oil industry service provider and frequent CIA arms conduit based in Houma, LA."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nAlso, Hoover conflicts his statements here, eventually telling the American public Oswald acted alone."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>All present at Tyndall were executives of Permindex, whose board members included Roy Cohn, former general counsel to Sen. Joe McCarthy; Montreal crime boss Joe Bonnano; Mussolini Agriculture Minister Count Guitierez de Spadafora of the Italian House of Savoy; Hapsburg and Wittelsbach family banker Hans Seligman of Basel; Carlo d’Amelio, Rome attorney for the Houses of Savoy and Pallavicini; King Farouk of Egypt’s uncle Munir Chourbagi; and Guiseppe Zigiotti, head of the Italian Fascist Association for Militia Arms. Permindex was a front for Nazi International\n\n>Colonel Louis Bloomfield was a partner at Philips, Vineberg, Bloomfield & Goodman - attorneys for the Canadian Bronfman family. In 1968 the firm was forced to delete Bloomfield’s name from its letterhead when French President Charles de Gaulle publicly exposed Bloomfield for his role in the assassination attempt on de Gaulle\n\n>De Gaulle named Credit Suisse of Geneva as financier of Bloomfield’s attempted putschand traced its origin to NATO Headquarters in Brussels. Permindex was forced to move out of Europe to fascist-friendly South Africa. Simultaneously, de Gaulle kicked the Israeli Mossad out of France due to its cozy relations with Permindex. Credit Suisse Canada has been identified by some researchers as SOE paymaster for the Permindex assassination of JFK, which was accomplished after Stephenson set up an operations command center in David Sarnoff’s RCA Building at New York’s Rockefeller Center\n\n>Bloomfield worked under the cover of Israeli Continental Corporation and the Canadian subsidiary of Heineken Breweries. He controlled the Ran Histadrut “charity”, which constitutes 33% of Israel’s GNP; and Bank Hapoalim, Israel’s second largest bank and a favorite Mossad conduit. Bloomfield was director of the Israeli-Canadian Maritime League and served as Canadian Consul-General in Liberia"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>>26\n>>24\n>>23\n>>19\n>>15\nTLDR?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>4\n>>CIA\nNever had the balls\n>>The USSR\nIt was never guaranteed that the next guy in charge would give them a raw deal worse thank Kennedy. Too risky.\n>>Cuba/Castro\nMaybe. Oswald was a commie.\n>>Israel/Mossad\nMaybe.\n>>The Mafia\nDoubt it. That's too much heat and risk for something they can just squeeze their political connections for.\n>>Anti-Castro Cubans\nDoubt it.\n>>Pentagon hardliners\nNever had the balls.\n>>Texan oil barons\nNever heard this one."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>There he worked with the only other foreign diplomat in Monrovia – Banque du Credit Internacionale’s (BCI) Tibor Rosenbaum – in establishing Liberia’s status as an off-shore banking center and in making Liberia’s flag available to international shippers who wished to disguise their true country of origin. The Liberian flag has been well utilized by drugs and arms smugglers\n\n>Bloomfield was also chairman of the Red Cross Ambulance Service, a post traditionally held by the top Knight in Queen Elizabeth II’s modern-day roundtable – Most Venerable Military & Hospitalier Order of St. John of Jerusalem. Though known for its more “charitable” side – which includes selling donated blood for around $100/pint – the Red Cross is officially an intelligence arm of the British monarchy\n\n>According to Dope Inc., Tibor Rosenbaum’s BCI was a key bank in the Permindex assassination of Kennedy, transferring funds from Bank Hapoalim to New Orleans FBI Division Five Station Chief Guy Bannister. Bannister’s agent Jerry Brooks Gaitlin doled out the cash to Hunt and his Cuban team of assassins. Both Bannister and Gaitlin died under mysterious circumstances\n\n>Howard Hunt’s Double Chek was a subsidiary of Centro Mondiale Commerciale, the Permindex Rome branch. William Seymour, the Oswald double who played Cuban sympathizer for months before the Kennedy hit, met with Clay Shaw and David Ferrie to form a triangulation of fire plan. The actual Oswald was on SOE Division Five payroll"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nThe USSR could have attributed JFK to liberalization like Khrushchev. They knew Johnson wanted to get super into the space race."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>Never heard this one.\nIIRC Kennedy got rid of some tax loophole oil companies used to reduce their taxable profits and Texan oil barons had him whacked over it"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>According to many researchers, the weapons for the Kennedy coup came through Schlumberger and the seven-shooter hit team consisted of an elite group put together by J. Edgar Hoover and Sir William Stephenson in 1943. The team was formed through the American Council of Christian Churches (ACCC), which Bloomfield, Stephenson and Hoover founded as cover for US and British intelligence via ACCC Latin American missions\n\n>ACCC is a network of aristocratic far-right religions. Its west coast director E. E. Bradley was indicted by New Orleans prosecutor Jim Garrison for his role in the JFK hit. David Ferrie worked under ACCC cover. An ACCC orphan school near Puebla, Mexico was used to train 25-30 of the world’s premier marksmen. ACCC Minister Albert Osborne ran the school after he fled the US due to his support of Hitler during WWII. These “students” carried out the Kennedy assassination. Assassins from this same team may have deployed to kill both Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr\n\n>Kennedy was scheduled to speak at the Dallas Trademart – a Permindex affiliate – the day he was gunned down. After the Kennedy assassination Permindex morphed into Intertel, while BCI was replaced by Robert Vesco’s Bahamas-based Resorts International – whose lawyers included Paul Helliwell and Kennedy Justice Department hack Robert Peloquin, who served in Naval Intelligence and with NSA before joining Justice\n\n>Resorts International has its headquarters on Paradise Island, which is owned by Huntington Hartford, scion of the Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company. Intertel is officially a subsidiary of Resorts and its board included Howard Hunt buddy Edward Mullin of FBI Division Five and president of the Bronfman family-controlled Royal Bank of Canada, David Belisle of NSA and Sir Randolph Bacon – former head of Scotland Yard. Intertel provides security for Caribbean and Las Vegas casinos and moved gambling and horse racing into Atlantic City, New Jersey"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>22\nhttps://tangodown63.com/diaz-garcia-herminio/#jp-carousel-4081"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>The Warren Commission which “investigated” the Kennedy assassination was stacked with the very cronies Kennedy had denounced. Allen Dulles, the CIA Director whom Kennedy had fired, loomed large over the proceedings, steering the inquiry away from any hint of CIA involvement. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was a right-wing fanatic who despised Kennedy. President Gerald Ford, then a Michigan Representative, leaked information on the hearings to FBI Assistant Director Cartha De Loach. Senators Arlen Spector (D-PA) and Richard Shelby (R-AL) are prominent members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which oversees CIA activity\n\n>But the most influential member of the Warren Commission was Chase Manhattan Bank chairman John McCloy, who later directed the World Bank. McCloy was attorney for the Saudi-based ARAMCO and helped David Rockefeller spirit the Shah out of Iran\n\n>Kennedy had angered the US military establishment but his death sentence was signed by the international bankers\n\n>Kennedy had announced a crackdown on off-shore tax havens and proposed increases in tax rates on large oil and mining companies. He supported eliminating tax loopholes which benefit the super-rich. His economic policies were publicly attacked by Fortune magazine, the Wall Street Journaland both David and Nelson Rockefeller. Kennedy’s own Treasury Secretary Douglas Dillon, who came from the Bechtel-controlled Dillon Read investment bank, voiced opposition to the JFK proposals"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nThe Texas Theatre"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>Kennedy’s fate was sealed in June 1963 when he authorized the issuance of more than $4 billion in United States Notes by his Treasury Department in an attempt to circumvent the high interest rate usury of the Eight Families Federal Reserve international banker crowd. President Lincoln had made a similar move 100 years earlier and suffered the same consequences\n\n>The wife of accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, who was conveniently gunned down by Jack Ruby before Ruby quickly died in prison, told author A. J. Weberman in 1994, “The answer to the Kennedy assassination is with the Federal Reserve Bank. Don’t underestimate that. It’s wrong to blame it on Angleton and the CIA per seonly. This is only one finger on the same hand. The people who supply the money are above the CIA”\n\n>New Orleans Trade Mart Director and SOE operative Clay Shaw’s address book contained the names of many powerful people who may have “supplied the money”. They included international oligarchs Maquesse Guiseppe Rey of Italy, Baron Rafaelo de Banfield of Italy, Princess Jaqueline Chimay of France, Lady Margaret D’Arcy of England, Lady Hulce of England and Sir Michael Duff of England\n\n>But perhaps the most interesting phone number in Shaw’s address book belonged to Sir Steven Runciman, an elite historian with insider knowledge of the Knights Templar and their Priory of Sion inner sanctum\n\n>Warren Commission Chairman Earl Warren, John McCloy, Allen Dulles, J. Edgar Hoover and Gerald Ford were all 33rd Degree Illuminized Freemasons\n\n>Visitors to the Dealey Plaza assassination site report seeing an obelisk dedicated to Freemasonry. Dallas – headquarters for illumination merchant Exxon Mobil and much of corporate America – sits on the 33rd parallel"}, {"id": 39, "content": "So, I know in intelligence there is no such thing as coincidence. George de Mohrenschildt is a very interesting guy. Clearly CIA, clearly anti-commie, very important guy with a impressive resume. Why the fuck does he care about Oswald? He is nothing but a financially volatile man child with ideas of floating around about Cold War tensions.\n\nVery glowie smelling. But then why would the CIA ever plot to kill the President? Did Oswald go psycho from the mind games, then kill JFK?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why did they want him dead?\nhim & his pan am brother lol"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\ngreat uncle rolly was right. marina is a nice lady. still alive here too."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>4\nThe french"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy wouldn't they is the better question, a much shorter list."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>8\nCivil rights movement. He was strongly for it and pushed it heavily.\nAny white supremacist would have a reason to kill him.\nSo would any radical black power movement leaders who didn’t want integration\nAnother reason, a lot of Americans lost a lot of money in Cuba because in their eyes he didn’t act.\nAnother reason Cuban vindication for his assassination attempt of Castro.\nCuban vindication without russian knowledge for the Cuban missile crisis, which the result removed the prestige and power Castro wanted the island and himself to have."}, {"id": 45, "content": "Reminder that Kennedy was an asshole who went to berlin saying ''dont ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do to your country'', which means the public servants are here to be served by the population and not the public servants are here to work for the population.\n\nThere is the real purpose of the republican revolutions starting in britain, america, france : the caste of bureaucrats and merchants are here to leech off the population as much as possible."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Kennedy threatened the centralized control of the american federal reserve"}, {"id": 47, "content": "KKK = jfK, mlK, rfK\n\ngo figure?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>15\n>>19\n>>23\n>>24\n>>26\n>>28\n>>31\n>>34\n>>36\n>>38\nHere the image version"}, {"id": 49, "content": "I heard he died of natural causes."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>3\nfound the fed"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was catholic"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>3\nbased"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>40\n>>48\n>>50\n>>52\nThe Umbrella Man"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>32\nYeah but Johnson prolonged the Vietnam war in in effort to bankrupt the Soviets and sent troops to the Dominican Republic to squash a commie movement there. When state leaders get whacked, it's because the people behind it have full confidence in the successor being a complete puppet to them. It's just too big a risk and operation to justify with \"cross your fingers comrade\"."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Johnson prolonged the Vietnam war in in effort to bankrupt the Soviets\nNo, he didn't. He prolonged the war in Vietnam because he didn't want his domestic political program to fall victim to calls from the right that he was \"weak\" on communism if he lost South Vietnam (just like Truman was dragged for \"losing\" China to the communists)."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCUBA"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think 3 possibilities are realistic:\n>The USSR, either because they were fucking stupid (a common thread in Russian history tbqh) or more specifically so that Johnson would continue to bleed US forces in Vietnam\n>The Mafia had him whacked to prevent a coming crackdown, specifically centered around Chicago. Bobby Kennedy had planned a borderline war against the Mafia.\n>Lee Harvey Oswald was actually a lone schizo\nIf we ourselves wanna be schizo, we could say that the timeline of our simulation is repeating a sequence that already occured. Pic related."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>4\n>>30\nThat's just what happens when you make a lot of enemies."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>3\nhow did Oswald know to get a job at the book suppository a year before the parade was even planned?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>7\ndidn't he threaten to disband the CIA after the Bay of Pigs didn't work out?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nHe didn't, he just got a fucking job and was an opportunist."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>30\n>>>Israel/Mossad\n>Maybe.\nare you only saying that out of distrust for jews?"}, {"id": 63, "content": "Because the Jews wanted nukes and he stood firm. Also he wanted to gut the CIA FBI and all the other alphabet gangs. The interest of his enemies converged.\n>pic related"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>6\nNo way Oswald was a lone shooter. His head exploded in the opposite direction. He was hit more than once. Must of been at least a shooter on the grassy knoll or elsewhere."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nIt was my understanding that he was hit twice, once in the neck and once in the head. The explosion from the headshot combined by a brace he was wearing for back support caused the awkward jerking. He had apparently fucked his back up fucking twins earlier in the week."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">No wheel, no paper, no script, no agriculture, no horses, no boats, no clothes, no cities, no villages, no human language, no mathematicians, no fire, no copper tools\n\nlow iq explains it? But then, how come they still live in grass tents and do not know how to use wheels or fire after being told by arabs and europeans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>No wheel, no paper, no script, no agriculture, no horses, no boats, no clothes, no cities, no villages, no human language, no mathematicians, no fire, no copper tools\nmost of this is blatantly untrue. they're dumb but not this dumb."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou're literally describing Germanic tribes before Rome subjugated them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthat's not true either."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThats actually rome before aryans and germanics conquered them\nRomans used to live in mudholes underground"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeems like Pedro got unbanned"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this nigger eating cow ass or pussy?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>No wheel, no paper, no script, no agriculture, no horses, no boats, no clothes, no cities, no villages, no human language, no mathematicians, no fire, no copper tools\n>Still manages to make pasty white boys seethe and dilate"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No agriculture, no cities, no wheel, no metal working, no clothing, even after 20.000 years of trade with europeans, arabs and north africans they live in mudhuts\n\nIs it low iq?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "if it was you in this society you would be the exact same because you are a useless piece of shit\n\nyou're lucky enough to live somewhere advanced and its no thanks to you"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOp is a butthurt moor.\nHis gf cucked him with a dominican"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Who is \"they\" exactly? what you said doesn't apply to all sub-Saharan Africans."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>if you were a nigger you would be subhuman too!\nwow amazing insight"}, {"id": 6, "content": "why do sPOOniards looks so arab\n\ndoes rape have anything to do with it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Y-DNA distribution in Turkics"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Y-DNA distribution in Turkics\nSource and do you have the same for mtdna?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOG Turkic tribes probably carried C, Q (from some other population), R1a (from Indo-Aryans) and N (from Uralics?)\n\nOther haplogroups are mostly local or whatever they picked in the more civilized places. I'm thinking here mostly about J2 or G.\n\nR1b in Turkey is somewhat puzzling. I think it might be from Armenians? Because ancient samples don't really show much R1b in Anatolia."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nC is mostly Mongol in Turkics"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nTurks and Mongols are related. There was a study about some Gokturk princess. They guys buried with her were mostly C, unlike later Turks. I'm guessing C was the original Turkic (or proto-Turkic) marker too."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No niggers made it into Madagascar until after melanesians from half the world away.\nThey seriously didn't have boats or fish, never mind the wheel, metals, crops, or domesticated animals.\nIs low iq the only way to explain this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "why did spics do nothing for thousands of years until moors raped human DNA into them?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">80% of philosophy from Descartes to Husserl, both included, is mass delirium, no matter how intelligent they all were.\n>philosophy of mind is the true heir to this delirious trend"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">it's mass delirium because I say so\n>all hail St. Ivermectin, time to drink some bleach and shoot light into my lungs"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>blessings of the Science upon you"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nOur Fauci\nWho art in congress\nHallowed be thy name\nThy vaccine come\nThy will be done\nOn earth, as it is in congress\nGive us this day our daily jab\nAnd forgive us our hesitancy\nAs we forgive those who are hesitant\nAnd lead us not into misinformation\nBut deliver us from Covid\nFor thine is the science, the power, and the glory\nNow and forever\nAmen"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n\n>you triggered a bunch of anti-vaxx cultists\n\nToday is a good day"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nKeep the trigger tears coming fren, I'm sure the zillion vaxx deaths will be revealed any moment from now"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI took the jab twice. Still waiting to die."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Americans insist on mispronouncing \"comrade\" so badly?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Jesuits so eager to cover up the history of greater Tatariya?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Why are Jesuits so eager to cover up the history of greater Tatariya?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i'm 100% sure you're a schizo and therefore not worth arguing with but for anyone else who's curious, the terms of \"tartary\" or \"tartaria\" refer to a steppe area of central and northern asia so decentralized, isolated, and uncivilized that you didn't even have anything beyond tribal humans. there wasn't a civilization, there wasn't even anything you could really call a country. it's the equivalent of looking at a map of early 1800s africa pre-scramble, drawing the name \"wakanda\" or some shit over bumfuck nowhere jungle, sparsely populated sahel, and the literal desert and then people looking back 200 years later saying \"WHY ARE PEOPLE COVERING UP THE HISTORY OF GREATER WAKANDA\" ignorant to the fact that there was little if nothing to speak of and people just wrote that sort of shit on maps as a catch-all term to describe the region\n>mfw pic related is me right now"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSauce?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who is the true heir to the mongol empire?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Turkey"}, {"id": 3, "content": "mongolia?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Soviet Union, after that, no one."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Me, now open your gates"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Crimean Khanate unless you count the short-lived Bogd Khanate."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Bogged Khanate\nGrim"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "moslems unironically, for lack of a better word, think that Not being a fag or a tranny is something to be rewarded\nwhy should it be a credit to you that you're not a fag or a tranny? are you a fag or a tranny that actively holding up against the urge to be a fag and a tranny?\nor are you a hetero man who has already fornicated (porn) 8 billion times during your short stint at life, (inb4 porn is not fornication)\ndo you really not understand that islam is a religion of cooming? your own illiterate marauding, ass slave taking, child bride idol has promised you fornication in where the holy God dwells, this fantasy island coomdown is your ultimate reward, your incentive for, what? being a coomer on earth, marrying multiple women and having 15 minute marriage licences because of sexual emergencies?\n\nyou people are a riot, the kingdom of heaven and the truth of the holy God, the truth, who is Jesus Christ who is God, as your kinsman redeemer is over your head\n\nthe kike has fooled you into this inescapable state of low iq, exactly the same way the kike has fooled the trannies into becoming those things and the fags by molesting children,\n\ngo ahead and keep having your hope in the marauding counterfeit, let him deliver you from the holy God"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">my desert fairy tales are superior to your desert fairy tales!\ngrow up"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">inb4 porn is not fornication\n\nIt isn't, christtard"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n\n>27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:\n>28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart\n\nIF you can do it, if it was in your power, you'll have done it, as you have done it\n\n>christtard\nso what are you then?\nif you aren't a moslem or a kike why would you need to address whether a thing is fornication or not?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is United States considered a united melting pot?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Most immigrant groups shed their ethnic identities after a few generations outside of a few plastic signals (wearing green and drinking on St. Patrick's day because you're 1/8th Irish). Meanwhile, \"white American\" culture has expanded from just Anglo WASPs to include ethnic Catholics and Jews, and it's starting to encompass Hispanics as well."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA wide array of immigrant groups mixed with it being beneficial to certain political agendas to emphasize the role of immigrants in American history and culture."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was life like before money?\nWould you go back?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are there so few people with genuine Ancient Greek genetics alive today?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFunnily enough the guy who keeps getting posted as this living Greek statue is actually a German-American."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nVarg fucking won"}, {"id": 4, "content": "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «ANCIENT GREEK GENETICS»."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historical periods and countries for this feeling?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was Mo such a failure at developing Iran unlike his father?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\npupienus.jpg"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the media take such a hostile tone to the concept of conspiracy theories in the last few years? I remember that like 5-10 years ago, the topic of “conspiracy theories” was discussed in a playful or unserious attitude. Now its like believing in ancient aliens or political pedophiles is not just goofy but a sinister and antisocial act."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Probably due to a bunch of people trying to overthrow the US government because they saw a screenshots of 4chan shitposting on Facebook and couldn't understand that it wasn't real."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Because they went from shit that was serious and probably real to insane nonsense. I blame the CIA"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This guy had the best equipped division in the whole of the east and he could barely hold the moscow-minsk highway for more than a week or two. What a fucking loser."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why isn't Sola Scriptura a thing in Islam? Muslims believe the Quran is literally the word of God, so why do they follow hadeeth folk tales and \"scholars\" aka rabbis? They also believe God made the Quran as clear and straightforward as possible so there shouldn't be an issue of differing interpretations like there is in Christianity."}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's called Quranism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nno one takes quranists seriously"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nGadafi was one."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's written as low IQ possible that anyone can follow, that's the gift of the Qoran.\nThanks you most merciful, most blessed, most amazing, most awesome prophet(PBUH)"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The quran is too short and incoherent to form a worldview on it alone. The hadith provides an important role of forming the mess that is the quran into something intelligible."}, {"id": 7, "content": "My take is that Islam as it developed is highly communal and integrated in administrative and legislative structures, which only became more engrained in the modern period as anti-secularism became tied to anti-imperialist projects.\nQuranism on the other hand is highly individualist, contemplative, and mostly resists integration into a wider political/communal system. So especially in the modern era Quranism is seen as a threat or tied to western secular boogeyman because it is the antithesis of a Islamic socio-political schema."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nOk rabbi Yusuf ibn Hernandez al londoni"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Muslims believe the Quran is literally the word of God, so why do they follow hadeeth folk tales and \"scholars\"\nIt's kind of hard to be a quranist when the quran itself tells muslims not to be quranists"}, {"id": 10, "content": "quranism comes from formerly sneeded protestant converts"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nsource?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf Quranism isn't a thing already\n\nthen what have i been adhering for the past 5 years?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's impossible to form such a movement when the Quran itself points to using the sayings/actions of prophets"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nyou're just too lazy to perform 2-5 minute prayers"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nExactly"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nIt's called Mu'tazilism and they're not Muslims. Quranism is just a newer, gayer form of it.\n>>5\n>>6\nLots of Arabic experts in this thread I see. As usual.\n>>1 (OP)\nThe Quran itself tells you to follow the Messenger PBUH and condemns communities in the past that didn't follow their prophets. And how are you going to follow him without emulating his deeds and listening to his words? Both of those are only available to us through the hadiths, even the sirah literature is based on the hadith so without the hadiths we'd have essentially no biographical info on the Prophet PBUH, let alone know how he prayed, fasted, lived life, the wisdom he gave to his companions, the prophecies he gave us, how he dressed, ate, and did mundane tasks etc. etc.\n\nThe idea that Islam is somehow harmed by this is weird Protestant residue or is coming from actual believing Protestants. Christianity for 1500 years wasn't you sitting in your room reading (or pretending you've read) a single book. The book itself was formed through an extra-biblical human process, extra-biblical sources like the Church Fathers and even Aristotle largely defined how it was interpreted, that interpretation happened in a supra-individual and hierarchical context, and there still isn't a unified biblical canon you can point to. So sola scripture is weird even in a Christian context and for some reason Prots and post-Prots try to apply it to all other religions they encounter."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>It's called Mu'tazilism\nThey had hadith"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nReally? In one of the books of Bilal Philips, I think his book on Jinn, he talks about how they rejected them as Arab superstitions and quotes from their works about it (also quotes some of their very retarded Greek-inspired theories)."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a matter of faith and if you believe the Hadith is authentic, you would be compelled by it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI feel you, I been reading the Quran lately and find it to be beautiful poetry, but the Sunnah is just straight up RETARDED and autistic as shit. Like yeah dude I'm totally gonna stop listening to music even though Allah never mentioned it in the Quran but oh Zakir Naik quotes Sunnah chapter 8 verse number 12 paragraph 4 says it distracts me from Allah even though plenty of Sufi made beautiful worship out of music"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>the wisdom he gave to his companions\nlike chugging camel piss, huh?"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Because Islam believes in oral teaching from the start. And it is thriving with knowledge. You should research it. Maybe even become a doctor on it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nno they had hadith they just rejected certain narrators they hated and had much stricter standards such as needing multiple companions"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did Stalin turn a backward shithole with a 40% literacy rate into one of the most powerful nations on earth?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean he didn't. The belief that the USSR was a great power was United States propaganda. We can see know how Russia has a hard time trying to conquer their neighbors in Ukraine now and failing miserably."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe literally killed people who sent him displeasing statistics. Did he not?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>comparing modern russia to the ussr\nThis post is so bad"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nModern Russia has a higher literacy rate now don't you agree?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Glory to the great Stalin! Death to American and Ukrainian fascists!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>modern Russia is the same as the USSR\n>The USSR wasn’t a major power\n>Russia didn’t change after the revolution\n\nLmaoooing at American rightoid’s concept of history. It’s absolutely mindblowing hearing Americans talk about Eastern Europe and the USSR as someone who’s from a former Soviet nation.\nIt’s crazy how despite having “Muh freedom” and unrestricted (mostly) access to knowledge Americans are still brainwashed morons due to sheer laziness and bias."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Oh, please. Not even chinks are this bad."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThis was the entire Union at war with their neighbors and they couldn't conquer it. Imagine if the US had gone to war with Mexico, it would be over in a year."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nChurchill: \"Stalin took Russia with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb.\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nYou are retarded, agree?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nAbsolutely agree!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>quoting churchill\nmight as well be quoting a random monkey from a tree"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nThe USSR during that period was at least capable of learning through failure. As contradictory as it sounds, huge disasters and blunders can be the basis for big victories down the line, kinda like a \"what made you fall will make you rise,\" and you can flip that to its opposite, too, so \"what made you rise will also make you fall.\"\n\nThey also had a lot of room to expand compared to where they started, that is a country where most of the population were illiterate peasants that had been artificially blocked from making the leap until the revolution popped the cork. Someone who if things had remained the same would be a peasant among millions of others now has the chance to go to school and become Yuri Gagarin."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>huge disasters and blunders can be the basis for big victories down the line\nIs this the dialectics that I've heard about?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nAre you a dumb or clinical idiot? a country that was able to recover from a civil war in the shortest possible time, carry out industrialization and send the first man, Yuri Gagarin, into space, is it not deservedly considered a superpower? this is not some kind of African country Zimbabwe with a poor population and economy."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiving standards did increase. But not as much as they could have.\nA nation being powerful on the outside doesn't necessarioy mean it's still a great place to live in. See Chinese toilets."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe right man at the right time in the right place. That's literally it. There was nothing otherworldly about him, just a flawed yet very effective leader."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou must have enough totalitarian power to waste lives of couple of generations of people on producing mountains of useless military junk. You will then be \"powerful \"on paper."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>Massive industrialization projects that were carried out in 5 year increments to developed the Russian portions of the USSR.\n>Economy built around supplying the Soviet army which was becoming one of the largest in the world\n>Utilizing gulag slave labor to help build said projects\n>confiscating and selling Ukrainian grain (which caused the Holodomor) in exchange for Western factories and technicians with invaluable experience.\n\nTyranny and ambition can do a lot in the right hands."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the same way the Russian Tsars were able to expand into Asia and the Caucasus—through Western technologies and investment."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Utilizing gulag slave labor\nKulaks deserved a lot worse.\n>confiscating and selling Ukrainian grain (which caused the Holodomor)\nHohol chuds burned their own grain out of spite and paid the price for it."}, {"id": 23, "content": "For a start he stole entire harvest of farmers and let them starve to death to pay for machinary imports"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Stalin God!"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nI don't think there's any evidence of that whatsoever"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2 essentially Gave Russia German industry. I remember in one book how the Russians literally took German factories brick by brick back to the motherland"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican jews gave him nukes because jews are anti west"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nso when i say the same for nazi germany, i get called wehraboo, but someone else says for other nation apparently it is a room for dicussion\nit was forced labor, anon. Same formula nazis used"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>3\nretard"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\ngermany was already powerful"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>one of the most powerful nations on earth\nNo country that has continuous toilet paper shortages should be considered powerful.\nPoorest nigger in American could wipe his ass with soft toilet paper, most equalest of moscovites wiped their as with sand paper while most of the proles had to do with newspaper."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was one of the most powerful nations on Earth before the revolution even with a 40% literacy rate or whatever."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nSo was Russia"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>4\nThey couldn't conquer Afghanistan either"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nnot really"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPopulation\nStalin was able to pull that off because of population density. It meant he had a huge excess of expendable resources."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith effective slavery and repressive genocide"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>13\n>Chronically online retard with a 4chan education knows more about the USSR than Churchill did"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nOf jews funded communism then why did communists genocide millions of jews?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s easy to become a “superpower” when the largest conflict in human history occurs and leaves all but one of the planets great powers either utterly broke or a steaming pile of rubble, and you emerge on the winning side despite having the highest casualty numbers ever recorded in war and initially starting the war with the one who’d later stab you in the back. Victory only came as a result of that other great powers nonstop support in the form of arms and resources, without which you would have been utterly and completely curbstomped, if not in the short term then certainly in the long term\n>>10\nA bomb he had to steal from that other great power without innovating towards it or developing it himself, as usual the Soviets could never create anything of cultural, political or military value without having stolen or bastardized it first, something that remains abundantly clear today in the form of its successor state"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nThere's no evidence Schiff ever financed the communists. He finances liberals who overthrew tsar, but not communists."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nthat's a lie, jacob schiff financed the provisional government not the bolsheviks"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\n>n why did communists genocide millions of jews\nExpect the jews in their parliament."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe didnt, it's still a shithole"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nWhat this guy said, basically. The Soviets got lucky in a way. Then that luck eventually ran out and their inefficient economy and massively corrupt political system destroyed them."}, {"id": 46, "content": "The Soviet Union was a failed state that propped itself up for a couple of decades by illegally and annexing East Europe to loot their resources before decades of humiliating economic stagnation before gracelessly expiring to the delight of it's own citizens.\n\nThe USSR was always a vampire economy that existed to steal and loot.\n\n>>7\nThe US and UK literally had to save the commucucks during WW2 because their system was so shit they could not produce war materials. A broken system designed for subhuman losers."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nSo like the US occupying resource rich countries and forcing them to trade and use USD, or NS Germany looting half of Europe? That’s just the game lil bro"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause communism is superior to capitalism"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nautocracies are more efficient at mobilizing resources and people"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>15\n>Is this the dialectics that I've heard about?\nBasically yeah. Failure is the mother of success. Or history as a Katamari ball of junk or interpenetrating car crashes synthesizing at a higher level than before."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically handouts from the US and he still managed to be shit"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStallins own daughter didn't even live in the USSR, she lived in New York and died in Wisconsin. Big L for the Soviets lets be honest with ourselves"}, {"id": 53, "content": "By focusing everything into industrialization and militarization at the expense of every other part of society. When the going gets rough the Russians start cannibalizing the parts of their economy that are \"non-essential\" to whatever their primary objective is. Other nations will engage in rationing for necessary materials, including food, during wartime, but only in despotic planned economies that you see a thorough min-maxing of industry to achieve a desired end, often with horrible outcomes for the general populous. Stalin at least avoided absolute disaster like what Mao caused."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo matter who controlled Russia, it still would have become a super power for a time. Russia without communist anti natalist propaganda would have grown at the same rate as western Europe and ended up with a population in atleast the 300,000,000 range but instead we have krokodil and poverty. OP should be instead of how Stalin managed to fuck up so hard that he left Russia in a crappy position to be attacked by the krauts to begin with, ignoring all warning signs and fueling the German war machine for years before being betrayed"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstealing western inventions and ideas. all those German scientists they kidnapped didnt hurt"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>39\nWhen did that happen"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>anti natalist propaganda\n\nWhere the fuck did you even get this from? The Soviets had awards for mothers with multiple children."}, {"id": 58, "content": "By never being a woman, just like you."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\nWell the odd thing here is that she went back to the USSR in the 80s, then moved back to the West before dying in Wisconsin:\n\n>The British journalist Miriam Gross with whom Alliluyeva conducted her final interview before moving back from England to the Soviet Union in 1984, described Svetlana's increasingly fragile state of mind in a series of letters she wrote to Gross following the interview: \"In all of them she is very anxious to explain how, having arrived in the West 'blind with admiration for the FREE WORLD', she had come to believe that the US and the USSR were morally equivalent. She had been convinced that 'in the FREE WORLD people are superhuman, wise, enlightened…What a terrible blow it is to find out that…there are just the same idiots, incompetent fools, frightened bureaucrats, confused bosses, paranoid fears of deception and surveillance…this loss of idealism is what happens to defectors only too often. BECAUSE we all relied too much on propaganda.'”\n\nAnd then her daughter turned into Tank Girl cosplay punk rocker who is living her best life and I think owns a boutique thrift store in Portland."}, {"id": 60, "content": "Stalin had a orthodox christian burial ceremony i watched it in YouTube."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>7\nYou just sound like a tranny angry at the truth"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nViolence and discipline. Russia had potential and he forced it to develop."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was never that powerful after WWII. It absorbed the various industries of half of europe to prop itself up but was still dying. Nukes arent real and the cold war was fabricated by mutt golems and commie jews to keep boomers pacificed\n>NOOOOOO YOU CANT OVERTHROW THE JEW GOVERINO, you don’t want the heckin russians to invade while you’re doing it, do you?!\nThey also made boomers hide under their desks from “nuclear attack” roflmao"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nAnd? He mass murdered priests in the thousands."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>51\nEvery single western nation copied american fordism."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy taking control of a backwater shithole that was already in the process of industrializing to begin with."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>59\nAaaaand she’s jewish isn’t she."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nNo but your mom was jewish."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>63\n>NOOOOOO YOU CANT OVERTHROW THE JEW GOVERINO, you don’t want the heckin russians to invade while you’re doing it, do you?!\nWell it was an excuse to purge the communists from the labor unions which basically meant no overthrow was gonna happen even if people wanted to do it. The guy who owns a bar & grill and steals tips from his employees isn't going to do it. You'd need a command structure that can mobilize an army of millions of people and the ability to actually paralyze the material production systems of your enemies. The union is an organization that operates at scale and can function as a proto-military command structure with elected officers, which is how the \"weak\" people at the bottom who actually make everything work get together and defeat the strong, and it emerges out of the production process itself. That's what Lenin understood."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>39\n>>41\n>>42\nLook into Alexander Lvovich Parvus, born (((Israel Lazarevich Gelfand))) aka \"Helphand\"."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>2\ndumb mutt"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>9\nYeah exactly. Imagine if the US went to war in Vietnam. No way we'd lose to that shithole. Better yet, imagine we went to a literal cave dwelling country like Afghanistan. we'd easily win. Lmaoing at Russians losing Wars to finland when WE AMERICANS HAVE NEVER LOST ANY WAR!!!!"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>30\n>germany was already powerful\nin what sense?\nWeimar Republic was a literal decay and German Empire was too late to step up for imperial game. Compared to UK, Germany was a literal hilbilly tier."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>40\n>Victory only came as a result of that other great powers nonstop support in the form of arms and resources, without which you would have been utterly and completely curbstomped, if not in the short term then certainly in the long term\nNot really, even wargames within the german determined that Operation Barbarossa would fail."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nGermany was literally one of the most industrialized countries in Europe."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>vatnig thinks a 3000 mile supply line is the same tier as somehow not being able to supply troops a stone throw away from their border\nYikes, also the vietkangs getting slaughtered 30 to 1 against the Americans despite the latter having to ferry troops and aid from the other side of the planet is embarassing"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>57\n>birth control was forced on families in poor areas\n>resettlement into siberian hell holes the moment your local community cant support you making no one want to breed\n>frequent famines\nBut hey atleast you get a medal and a loaf of bread if you manage to survive raising a large family inspite of it all, also 90% of all those medals were given out during 44-46 and mostly as a concillation prize to widows who now had to figure out the maze of forms and 60hr work weeks on her own to feed her family"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\nBruh even the soviet leadership thought they would have lost without lend-lease aid. Shut the fuck up with this bullshit."}, {"id": 79, "content": "You do realise the nazi Germany were almost to Moscow, right?\nIf Americans didnt intervene to help the commies and allies, Germany wouldve had all Europe.\nIn my opinion its all a larp. At the end of the day, you just have fuck around and find out, I guess"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Wow this brave redditor isn't afraid to stirring controversy!\nLet's hope it didn't get him banned."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe because they aren’t relevant. Except at the time that they were fighting each other so hard they ended up creating millions and millions of slaves out of the battles they won. Which they sold to the whites."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's hilarous how dishonest they are\n\"Stirring controversy\" on reddit would be telling the truth and admitting that Africa history is factually and objectively inferior\nBut instead he just goes and claims that actually African history is just as great but evil Western society is le hecking biased (because of le hecking racism, then he proceed to fail to explain why this racism doesnt apply against chinks and brown arabs), which is the most politically correct shit you could say and the go to opinion on reddit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but it doesn't change any of the below\nSo why bother saying it?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "do they think there was an empire on the scale of the roman empire in africa"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYeah, modern day humans are so arrogant that they go\n>pst! Greeks were idiots! What is Atlantis, lol. A star is a star, they are not crowns or something. And trees dont speak!\nbut they dont realise they have their own modern myths too, and it is ok so because that is how human culture functions\n>Oh yeah a Wakanda totally exists, obviously. My astrological sign is libra. Do you know that plant have emotions?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThey unironically think the walls of Benin \"city\" were more impressive than China's"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Egypt is Mediterranean. I reject the idea of it being African simply because it was on the continent. True African kangdoms/empires are shit like Mali, Zulu or the Sahelian kangdoms. The Nile Kangdoms I consider too close to the Mediterranean to be considered African. Similar to how I consider Rome and Hellas Mediterranean civilisations. Europe as a civilisation didn't come into prominence until after the Meds spread their influence. Until then, they are just a bunch of small kangdoms that arent that much sophisticated compared to your Afreeeecans. They could work metal tools better and had better land for agriculture though.\nJust my hot take"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">askhistorians"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, even the parts of Africa that were not completely isolated and had contact with Arabs and such like West Africa/Mali were still iron age mud hut dwellers"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally every sub-Saharan African state worth mentioning historically was on the periphery of another great civilization.\n>Aksum situated along the coast of the Red Sea, the juncture of the Greek, Semitic & Indian worlds\n>West African empires (Ghana, Mali, Songhay, etc.) on the edge of the Islamic caliphate & later the Ottomans\n>Shaka Zulu gets circlejerked to hell by wewuzzers because he successfully applied tactics and technology introduced by Europeans, before this the region was just a hodgepodge of feuding nomad tribes"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>>3\n>>10\n>>11\n\nDilate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nIf Black history is inferior then explain the raise of interracial relationships between black men and white women"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>if nigga history be inferior explain muh dick\ntypical"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>the raise"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\n>historians\n>demanding more censorship\nSounds like they missed the part where the bad guys are always the ones censoring things"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nyou might"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nDie early"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat about Wakanda? Or the Muhdik empire?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause most of history is teaching basic shit. No one us gonna spend a curriculum teaching Aksimite history.\n\n/thread"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n>>Shaka Zulu gets circlejerked to hell by wewuzzers because he successfully applied tactics and technology introduced by Europeans,\nShaka Zulu didn't even encounter lnao"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\n>Egypt is Mediterranean. I reject the idea of it being African simply because it was on the continent\nIt had a lot of trade and relations with other African entitles"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis would be like going on /pol/ and saying:\n>At the risk of stirring controversy, I think the Holocaust never happened."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nHow was Japan relevant to the west?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nIt's just a stupid question. Most people dint know history on general so expecting them to knowledgeable in a niche topic of an already niche interest/hobby is just silly. Pretty much no one knows that India had its own Christians prior to colonialism. The only people that know are those Christians, those learned in early Christian history or the Orthodox churches or someone from the region."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Daily reminder that Zimbabwe was mostly likely named after an Arabic fortress left by colonists, not the remains of a Nubian civilization."}, {"id": 27, "content": "You aren't even trying at this point anon."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate the way leftists talk so much. They preface everything they say with a paragraph of disclaimers. Just say what you mean you fucking robot."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause African Empires unironically make Africans look worse than just imaging them all as spear chucking bushmen."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>unknown\nUh, bugbros...our response?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLibshits literally believe an arab trading outpost is a \"kingdom\" and a few mud huts with a wall around it is an \"empire\"."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">Excuse, I don't mean to desturb you, you could be busy, not that there's anything wrong with that of course, I mean it's really your life and all, but have you considered, or at least thought off,in your own time of course, because I don't want to bother you or anyone on earth, or anyone who has ever lived, ever, but anyway, could it be possible, in some way or another, that perhaps maybe in some sense, it could be true that DIE FAHNE HOCH"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>29\nInteresting. I wonder what malss society's willing to perform sacrifices at scale. Religion? Scarcity? Tradition? Population control? One can wonder."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nMakes"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nyeah i hate them, especially the time travelling Portuguese libtards."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\nlmao you spam the same pics over and over again."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is fascism and national socialism almost always simply shut down and censored instead of debated?\nTreating them like some kind of cognitohazards that need to be hidden away will only make them more potent.\nThey're retarded, so why not openly discuss how retarded they are?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter ww2 they got turned into a boogeyman, something youre not even supposed to mention in the hopes that i would be so universally repudated that it would eventually just die off, so its kind of just force of habit at this point. Also because they are considered so vile theyre not considered to be worth debating, its a sin onto itself to entrtain them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They're retarded\nWhy?\nQuite honestly, I think both sound better than our current system and I don't know why I as a white person should not support them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe shortest answer I can give you:\nEvil people who seek to control you fear it, so they institutionally and socially constructed it’s censorship.\n\nWhat you say is also true. This box they locked inside their minds has been building enormous pressure. Tremendous pressure. Without giving them the option to discuss it, they too did not give them a release valve.\n\nThe abuse we receive has further melted the lock.\n\nIt’s opening up.\n\nIt isn’t just the posters on 4chan like they think, or hope. It’s millions of people. All around the globe.\n\nIt is opening up."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt really didn't, at least not like you're implying with your gif. You had the Gehlen organization and other Nazi spy networks being brought in by the CIA, Operation Paperclip bringing in Nazi scientists, including ones who were devoted to the party. Postwar Nazi networks in South America (which btw included pedo cults like Colonia Dignidad) were tied into the activities of the CIA and American puppet governments in the region such as Operation Condor. Major cultural figures like Heidegger and Jung who had been pro-Nazi continued to be widely read and appreciated after 45. A lot of Nazi-era officials served in the West and even East German governments and the Bundeswehr has always had a lot of Nazis in it and still does (look up the Day X plot).\n\nAnd in Italy there was no de-fascistization at all really. The House of Savoy was banned from politics and the PNF (the National Fascist Party) was banned but there was never a ban on Fascist political organization, Fascist parties or Fascist symbols and new Fascist parties sprouted up immediately after the war and were a big part of Italian life for a long time. In the 1970s Fascist terrorist groups worked with the CIA, mafia, the neofascist P2 Masonic lodge, and sectors of the Italian government to carry out bombings and even attempt a coup. And many members of P2 btw went on to be major figures in Italian politics, such as Berlusconi. The Italian police were absolutely full of Fascist sympathizers up through the 2000s and probably still today. There was a famous case in 2001 where they stormed the Diaz school, which was being used by leftist anti-globalization activists, with no cause. They beat (so brutally that the walls were splashed with blood and one person went into a coma), arrested (after planting evidence), tortured and humiliated the people there. Including making them sing the giovenezza and make the Roman salute.\n\nBut you got banned on reddit for saying nigger so I guess you're a heroic rebel."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nit's just another dictatorship and considering how things are now more authoritarianism is just going to mcfuck you harder\n\nif you had any sense you're probably be trying to undermine government as much as possible, but because you're a /pol/oid you go with fascism because it's heckin' edgy and you are never going to commit to any feasible plan"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nAlso about Fascist symbols in Italy, there are annual Fascist pilgrimages to Predappio (Mussolini's birthplace) where tons of Fascist kitsch is sold and that has never been banned. On the contrary, many Communists and Anarchists have been assassinated in Italy, sometimes by the police who as I mentioned often have Fascist sympathies. Ignazio La Russa, Italy's current president of the senate, has a collection of Fascist artifacts, has said Italians should replace handshakes with the Roman salute, and has explicitly praised Mussolini. Guess what, America doesn't care, just like they didn't see Ordine Nuovo as a threat but as a useful ally and just like they don't see \"based\" nationalist movements like PiS in Poland as threats."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nYeah fucking stupid goy. Don’t you dare collectivize or show any sense of self preservation, stupid motherfucker. That’s for ME."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nAnd it's going to explode in two weeks!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWhy are you wasting time replying to a retarded animal slave? Shouldn’t you be sitting and eating?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>it's just another dictatorship\nwhy do I care?\nI'd actually like it if we had a clear line of authority instead of this shit we have where democracy just means becoming a foreigner in your own home and never being able to afford anything, at least in China they have to make things happen since you know exactly who's responsible\nexplain to me why authoritarianism is bad when I get 0 benefit from the current faggy system anyway"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nIm not white or christian so i have no reason to support it.\nIf your ideology is just some kind of giant mega race war then i dont know what is there to debate. Like ok you want a rematch of ww2 but this time you hope you will win. Could be, but its still nothing that can be debated like its some type of intellectual endeavor."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>explain to me why authoritarianism is bad when I get 0 benefit from the current faggy system anyway\nYou have zero principles if all you are complaining about is that you are not making enough money. Sure you would love a dictator if he basically did everything you like but if he didn't then you would go \"oh noes i love democracy down with this tyranny!\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nEvery country that has been fascist is now worse off for white people than it was before."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nGiant mega race war huh? The Nazis were Christian? Why would you even say that? It was reported in the west that Hitler hated Christianity. So curious.\nA rematch of WW2? That’s not even possible, the entire landscape has changed and I’m not German nor do I live in Nazi Germany because it doesn’t exist.\n\nYou know what I am saying. Millions of people in each western nation knows things are bad and getting worse, and they can’t “unknow”."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nSo what the fuck do you want? Propose some debate point and then people can debate it and then we come to a conclusion."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThe slaves you have abused are rebelling. What will you do now?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThats a debate point? Ok ill bite, fellow intellectual:\nI dont have any slaves.\nYour turn"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They're retarded, so why not openly discuss how retarded they are?\nBecause you cannot debate with someone whose starting standpoint is that you are inferior and you should die. Two people can agree or disagree on anything in a conversation, but after the conversation is over, even if both cannot reach an agreement, both respect each other as people. Nazis don't do that. A Nazi believes that you are worth less than a person and that you're vermin that needs to be exterminated, before and after the conversation. That's not a discussion. There is no debate to be had with someone who wants you and your people dead, who thinks you're on the same level as rats and cockroaches. As Spanish anarchist Durruti said, you don't argue with fascism, you fight fascism.\ntl;dr if there is 1 Nazi in a room with 10 people who respect his opinion, there are 11 Nazis in the room"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nHow does it feel to know the tricks don’t work anymore?\nYou do have slaves. The scripture states everything is yours. That it’s legal for you to murder me. That it’s preferential for you to lie to me. Do you think people want to live under those who feel this way about them?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>You do have slaves\nIs this what you call a debate? You are just going to attack and slander me?\nThis is why no one debates with nazis"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nWhat does the Talmud say?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you ever met real European neonazis (not edgy retards online)? They're ironically genuinely subhuman specimens completely incapable of rational discourse."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nHahahahahahahaha. Attack and slander you? What does the Talmud say about me? Someone who has NEVER in his life EVER treated someone poorly for their religion or race, tell me what it FUCKING SAYS ABOUT ME."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWhy do you go from \"lets debate nazism\" to \"you personally have slaves because some book says you are allowed to\"?\nI thought you want to debate nazism, so which one is it?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\nyes... but only after they were no longer fascist, kek"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They're retarded, so why not openly discuss how retarded they are?\nbecause explaining why fascism doesn't work also explains why capitalism doesn't work"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>13\n>Sure you would love a dictator if he basically did everything you like but if he didn't then you would go \"oh noes i love democracy down with this tyranny!\"\nWhat's your point? You're upset that I will advocate for a different form of government when the current one isn't any good for me?\nYeah no shit Sherlock."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nIt means you are only after shekels"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\n>There is no debate to be had with someone who wants you and your people dead, who thinks you're on the same level as rats and cockroaches.\nthat's very interesting, do you approve of violent resistance against people like this, fascist or otherwise"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>20\n>>22\n>>24\nHave you ever read the counterarguments to the clickbait \"10 Crazy Quotes You'll Read In The Talmud\"?\n\nhttp://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/cheat.html\\\nhttp://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/kill.html"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nNo, you chose to focus on only the part where I said this current government is making us poorer. And it is, and I think it's a serious problem. If I can't afford to get a house and have a family of my own, I'm basically blocked from having any serious investment in this shithole country so why wouldn't I advocate for a different government that actually will put its own people first instead of flooding us with migration and making it too hard to have a good life here?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're deranged subhumans who can't stop heiling and screaming constantly, not actual human beings with any capability to grasp the meaning of words and ideas?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nSo why do you act like this is some philosophical problem and not just that you would like to have more money?"}, {"id": 35, "content": "Beacause most people are brainwashed by moral terms, what is good and what is bad, they don't the view of both sides and I guess they'll never see."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nYou're the one wanting to debate principles, not me. I stated that I see no issue with a fascist or national socialist government and that it would probably be better for me than the current one. I'm not sure why you're already confused."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nDo you think it'd be easier or harder for you to get a house if unions were banned and more of the economy was privatized?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>You're the one wanting to debate principles, not me. I\nThis thread is about why people are unwilling to debate facism."}, {"id": 39, "content": "I'll say it any times, but the Holocaust never happened, the Jews were just punished accordingly, and fascism is a ideology in the first place."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>27\nI don't see the connection."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>3\n>>8\n>>26\nThe notion of these motions"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>27\nretard\n\nOP, you can't discuss it because it means you may become stronger. If you become stronger, then you begin to threaten the real power structure.\n\nThat's literally it. If you can't see this, then you're scientifically an NPC"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou cant debate Jews, only lock them up"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>then you begin to threaten the real power structure.\nOh so what you are saying is debate is code for killing jews?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>38\nWhat I'm saying is I stated my case pretty clearly. I think the current government system pretty obviously disadvantages people like me, and life would have been better under the fascists or national socialists. You're the one who went off on this weird tangent about how angry you were I didn't want to get into some esoteric shit about philosophical principles or whatever.\nIt's as simple as me not wanting a society where I get to be turned into a minority in my own homeland, not wanting to have to tolerate faggy shit all day, and just as a bonus, the fact the national socialists actually liked their own race and even forgave debt based on how many kids you had sounds like a great deal to me.\nThe current system offers none of that, the fascists and the national socialists do, so it's as simple as that."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nI'd expect migration being stopped to have such a positive effect on the country in the long term that I'd expect it to be easier overall. It might even make the prices lower in the short term as well, considering the prices rise and fall with migration levels.\nI'd also be willing to sacrifice more personally if I felt that we were headed in the right direction as a whole. Right now I think we are headed in a terrible direction, so I'm not willing to make personal sacrifices for a system I think is turning everything into a giant McDonalds. I might be willing to accept more material hardship in return for a culture I felt was worthwhile."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>14\nIs liberal democracy and capitalism good for White people? America is the antithesis of National Socialism and seems to be intent on crashing the White population with no survivors. Perhaps Hitler fought because not fighting would have resulted in a similar outcome."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>Is capitalism good for White people?\nIdk, you tell me\nhttp://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf\nhttps://neu.org.uk/media/3056/view\nHitler also sidelined Gottfried Feder, who actually wanted to ban interest, in favor of Hjalmar Schacht, a literal banker who had ties to bankers and industrialists in America and the UK. When Rohm and the Strasser brothers called for economic nationalization, they and their followers were purged (Rohm had been known to be gay for a very long time by people within the NSDAP so this was an after the fact justification). And the American economic elite had close ties to Nazi Germany and made a lot of money there, which didn't even stop when the war broke out.\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>6\nI like the idea of a government, I just don’t want it run by foreigners"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe JEW dildos the pilpul with niggers and eudoentalizes the Goatse. T hat is why there is so much pilpul and soi and dog rape."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>15\n>Millions of people in each western nation knows things are bad and getting worse, and they can’t “unknow”.\nSo what?\nThe Nazis didn't invent in-group preference.\nThe Nazis didn't invent racialism.\nThe Nazis didn't invent colonialism.\nThe Nazis didn't invented White-only immigration policy.\n\nImagine worshipping s bunch of fucking losers and looking to them for solutions instead of the actually successful Europeans you descend from. Embarrassing. I will never simp for these faggots no matter how much I despise niggers and trannyism. You fags have brainworms"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>45\n>You're the one who went off on this weird tangent about how angry you were I didn't want to get into some esoteric shit about philosophical principle\nThis thread is specifically about why people refuse to debate facism.\nAs to your personal money problems, its likely much easier for you to earn more money on the current world system than winning some sort of giga race war where you will survive unharmed and be at the top.\nIf you think you are so good at violence then start stealing cash from nigger drug dealers. That ought to be easier than storming the beaches"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>19\nPeople like you are the reason I made the thread."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nNo, my first post was asking why I should consider fascism and national socialism to be wrong given they are a better system for me.\nYou're also choosing to focus specifically on money while ignoring other issues like the government being pretty obviously anti-white, so you're the one who is really refusing to address the point.\nI still haven't actually heard a reason why I should oppose a fascist government, but you still complain you're being denied an opportunity to debate or something."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's most censored in Germany and Austria, because they don't want to even face the possibility of repeating that experience.\nThat being said, I doubt most people even know the intellectual basis of fascism, since IIRC some of Gentile's work hasn't been translated into English yet."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>No, my first post was asking\nThis isnt the threat topic, no one cares if you money problems"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>I still haven't actually heard a reason why I should oppose a fascist government\nI dont care if you oppose or support whatever you want"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nNo, the OP stated\n>they're retarded, so...\nwhich makes responding to this claim fair game. You are probably just not capable of finding a debate because you're too stupid to actually participate in one, given you've posted nothing but the most braindead shit all thread at every opportunity."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nThe thread topic is why no one wants to debate facism. I offered to have a debate right here and i was just insulted. Then you start whining about your personal money problems."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>51\n>instead of the actually successful Europeans you descend from\nprobably 99% of all your ancestors would be ideologically closer to Nazis than modern day globohomo"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nYou're borderline incoherent. You were offered a debate and you are too stupid to actually participate in one. You're confused by every single post, and you see a single sentence (\"people are not going to be able to afford families of their own\") and suddenly lose the ability to focus on anything else. People probably just don't debate with you because by the time you manage to catch up to what everyone else has said people have had several birthdays to celebrate."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>19\nNazism is not the only kind of fascism.\nBesides fascism seems to be defined today by liberals as anything liberals don't like."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>51\n>Might makes right faggotry\nYou are an ethnomasochist tranny."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\n>British empire and it's ethos is comparable to a failed state that existed for 12 years\nNo."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nAsk a British man from the 18th century whether he would rather live in a white-minority Europe with fag propaganda, sex reassignment, and a collapsing birthrate, or whether he would rather just learn to speak some fucking German."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not worth debating low iq people. They will never be able to understand anything you say. It's like when you stop a baby from eating something harmful and they cry because they simply can't understand."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>stop baby from eating Jewish poison\n>baby cries and calls you evil for a hundred years"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>45\n>white man in America thinks he's disadvantaged\nyour brain on /pol/ cope\n\nprotip: You're just a fucking failure despite all your advantages."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\ncoping shitskin"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nThis demoralization bullshit is exactly why America is a sexless anti-male anti-white society."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>>70\nNobody made you fail, you pathetic moron. You failed because of all your poor choices and now you want to be bailed out.\n\n>forgave debt based on how many kids you had\nLMAO"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\ncall me when businesses start saying \"be less black\"\n>>71\nregardless of race anyone with a family should think that's an incredible policy\nsociety should be made to support families, not worship gdp"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>66\nHarmful for who? Jews? Cry me a river."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\n>>forgave debt based on how many kids you had\n>LMAO\nwhy would anyone not want this policy"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\n>it's \"your\" fault if America actively punishes you for being white while telling you to worship niggers\nYou are subliminally jewish in your deceitful ways."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>68\n>>71\n>white people are automatically well off just because of the color of their skin\nBraindead liberals pushing this idea is exactly why Nazi shit is becoming popular again lol. People don't have healthcare and have to go to Mexico and Canada for insulin, they're working multiple jobs just to eat and pay rent, there's an opioid crisis killing and enslaving scores of people, and average life expectancy is dropping in the US for the first time in ages. The non-elite education system only exists to discipline people for the workforce, which is demanding an increasing amount of control over the emotions, social media presence, and off-shift time of workers, not only their labor and the time they're on the job. All that applies to the lower class in general, not just black and brown people. Go to any white rural area of the US and it's the same thing. Towns that used to have some industry slowly dying off because of outsourcing, people ODing from h constantly, crime increasing. There are white regions of the US like Appalachia that are in abject poverty. And then whenever there's another economic crisis and things get even worse, we get socialism, but it's the working class socializing the cost of the crisis to the upper class."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nThis white guilt politics where every white person has a supposed moral obligation to have a lifelong struggle session is not going to help working class black and brown people and it's going to drive working class white people, who are basically in the same boat, into the arms of Nazis. It's not a political program that's even meant to improve people's lives, it exists so that well off white liberals can justify their status to themselves and feel morally superior to those awful people from flyover country. And it's quite literally used as a tool to prevent workplace organizing, Robin DiAngelo does programs for bosses where white workers are taught that they need to apologize and recognize their privilege to non-white co-workers. How is any kind of organization or worker solidarity possible in that environment?\n\nAnd to the extent that white Americans benefit from the exploitation of the third world, which is a thing, how does that not include non-white Americans as well? You don't think a Hispanic American in Florida is better off than some coffee plantation worker in Colombia? You don't think a black American even in Detroit is better off than an African slave laborer in cobalt mines in the Congo?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>72\nOh no some Twitter corporate PR account said black lives matter, its over for white men"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>72\n>anyone with a family should think that's an incredible policy\n\nI don't want my money going supporting you worthless fucks breeding just because I'm successful and you're a failure. If you wanted to have a family you should have made better choices instead of crying about a Twitter hastag."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nreferring to Coke training their employees to \"be less white\""}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n>I'm successful and you're a failure\nI tend to find successful people don't assume other people online must be failures. I generally assume there are plenty of normal people on 4chan since I'm around them myself. You're barely coherent as it is."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nIts just some dumb pr. You sound ridiculous when you complain about such trite and also when you complain about Fentanyl deaths, when IRL you would be repulsed and mock any opiod addict.\nYou have zero loyalty or principles. Many times in this thread you have said all you want is shekels and for some unexplained reason you think you'd have more under some fascist government.\nIf you think you are so badass then go steal from drug dealers, get paid while you clean society. Otherwise shut the fuck up, dirtbag"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nYou are literally crying about debt forgiveness. I'm not assuming anything."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\n>literally crying\nYou're the only histrionic one here. Look at how wound up you are.\nThe fact is the cost of living is too high in this country and we should have a society oriented around supporting healthy families. Pro-family policies benefit everyone.\n>>82\n>You have zero loyalty or principles. Many times in this thread you have said all you want is shekels\nWho on earth are you talking about? You are unhinged and you sound stupider and stupider with each post. Do you think \"Anonymous\" is a person's name or something? You're quoting multiple people you fucking idiot."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nSelf-flagellate for being white a few more times (or pat yourself on the back a few more times for being a brahmin or a gusano or whatever) and I'm sure that'll stop all the fentanyl deaths."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\n>Its just some dumb pr\nit's leaked employee training not PR, and no healthy country has its businesses saying this shit"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\n>You have zero loyalty or principles\nWhy do you keep talking about loyalty? Loyalty to what? A government that doesn't like your race? Businesses that couldn't care less about you?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>82\ndo you have a head injury or something?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't debate retards. There's nothing to debate."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause fascists are retarded, they didn't come to this position logically so you're not argue them out of it. They can make up a hundred more lies in the time it takes to debunk one, and their whole worldview is so enmeshed in lies that you debunking one means nothing because a bunch of other lies support the original one.\n\nIt's a fucking mess and it's when you get down to it, they're simply lacking a lot of basic empathy so \"why not kill everyone\" is a reasonable solution, so arguing with them is useless."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>82\nYou are such a worthless, repugnant piece of garbage."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe're discussing it right now, aren't we?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nWe are the cesspool of the internet"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nthat may be but were still subject to the laws of each of our respective countries, and the site itself is subject to US law"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>87\n>larps as a facist\n>asks why he has to be loyal to anything\n\n>>91\nIts not my job to give you shekels"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>76\n>>77\nYes, but the problem here is the marriage of corporate and government power that we have now. Nazism, Fascism and similar right-wing extremist ideas only exacerbate this problem, not alleviate it. Communism and/or Socialism just has the state control the economy directly, which plain doesn't work and produces mountains of corpses.\n\nThe actual solution would be to separate the power of money from the power of government completely, have smaller, more accountable government and many smaller competing businesses rater than a few really big ones.\n\nI have no idea how we get there from where we are now though, and I find it highly doubtful that anyone on here does. It may not be possible at all."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nSee>>96\nand understand that the people you're yelling at have legitimate complaints with the way things are done now, they're losers for very good reasons and laughing at them doesn't help anything. It just makes you look like an asshole."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\n>have legitimate complaints with the way things are done now\nDont care"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\n>Its not my job to give you shekels\nI'm not any of the people you were arguing with, I just wanted to verbally spit on you. The conversation was about white people getting treated unfairly, to which you began screaming about muh grindset. We would all be better for it if vile solipsistic cretins like you stopped breathing.\n>>98\nCase in point."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>59\n>The thread topic is why no one wants to debate facism. I offered to have a debate right here and i was just insulted. Then you start whining about your personal money problems.\nThere's actually talking about some of these things in an objective way and then there's bleating about how you're being persecuted, and that you're right because you're being persecuted. First of all, that might just not be true, and you're just wrong even if you're being persecuted. Just because you're a villain in the eyes of powerful people doesn't mean you're right. But even if you were right, that doesn't incline your rightness to power. It's a kinda \"bad faith\" and pushback against a respectful challenge to your position, because you dread it and don't want to take any responsibility for your position."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>6\ni'm not a woman, homosexual or minority so how am i going to be mcfucked"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\nHoly fuck you're stupid."}, {"id": 103, "content": "Because the only point they will be right about is ineffectivity of authoritarism.\nthis:\n>>51"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>3\nNo reason\nThey are\nYou should"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDebating and winning against Fascists quickly leads you to learn that Fascism and most modern leftist ideology is one and the same and thus discredits them all. ((they)) cant have this since they have spend decades infiltrating the modern left and dont want their effort so easilly thrown away"}, {"id": 106, "content": "White Nationalist Buddhist View on National Socialism, Capitalism, & Communism:\n\nhttps://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1385850/\n\n卍 The Four Aryan Truths 卐\nI. Suffering is inseparable from existence.\nII. Craving is the root cause of suffering.\nIII. Suffering can be ended by ending craving.\nIV. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.\n\nᛋ archive.org/details/WhatTheBuddhaTaught_201606\nᛋ buddhanet.net/audio-lectures.htm"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why is genocide and mass murder shut down\n>it must be le jews"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>19\ngo back."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is fascism and national socialism almost always simply shut down and censored instead of debated?\n\nBecause the Jews are scared that people will be persuaded into becoming National Socialist and Fascist through debate."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>3\nJust look at how Nazi German turned out. Retarded war mongering which just undid Bismarck’s work of uniting the German people for decades."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy should stupidity be entertained?"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>95\nWhat are you even talking about you retard?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>3\nBecause the nazis were German supremacists rather than white supremacists. They aligned themselves with the non-white powers to defeat the people they regarded as subhumans who were overwhelmingly white."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>48\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_concessions_in_the_USSR"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>96\nFascism reverses the direction of the marriage. In corporatocracy the corporations rule the government. Under corporatism the government rules corporations. You can argue that the problem with Fascism is that it doesn't go nearly far enough, but not single fucking person has ever argued fascism is bad for being too moderate, they always argue instead that it is some worsening of the situation rather that it being an attempt to make things better that is too afraid to fuck with things enough to actually make them better. To do so would require admiting to the sincerity of the fascists in that the people who support fascism do so because theu geneinely want to make things better rather than what people want them to be which is villains to be opposed without needing to think about it. The only reasonable reason to be against fascism is because it doesn't go far enough."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>90\nSounds like you are describing communists."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nThey are sister ideologies.\nFascism was created by a self-described 'authoritarian communist' after all."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\nNoooo, I'm sure you have beliefs very rooted in the academic community or anywhere not your own mind. Fucking faggot. Kill yourself"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nThen why don't Fascism and Communism work together then?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>113\nHitler repeatedly declared his admiration for the British empire and that he considered pretty much all of Europe minus the slavs to be Aryan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The neighbours of the ancient Greeks didn't take up their way of life, traditions, society or way of warfare\n>But somehow Central Italian cultures were supposedly uber Greek despite there being little to no evidence of it and being even further detatched from the Greeks than the Illyrians and Thracians."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreeks we wuz everything\nMacedonians weren't Greek until they conquered all of Greece. after the conquest the Greeks started calling Macedonian Greeks lmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreek language, culture and people were literally just a few km south of Rome"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ncool meme sqhiptar\nbut unfortunatelly for you Macedonians were allowed to participate in the olympics since 504 BC\nAlso Alexander I was given the epithet \"philhellene\" a term that was used in Antiquity to describe Greeks who patriotically defended their culture"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>literally just a few km south of Rome\nCumae was the closest city and it was not anywhere close to Rome and they interacted with the Oscans, not the Latins. So at best it's second degree cultrual interaction filtered through another Central Italian people. Again. There isn't any reason to suggest that they would somehow adopt Greek culture because of it anyway, none of the other neighbours of the Greek states did."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNot him but\n>Macedonians were allowed to participate in the olympics since 504 BC\nYou didn't read the source. Herodotus states that the Macedonian King had to make an argument for it for him and his family to be able to compete, other Greeks competing argued that the Macedonians were Barbarians therefore they were ineligable to compete, so clearly there was a belief held that they were not Greek at least as a kneejerk reaction.\n>Alexander I was given the epithet \"philhellene\"\nIf he has to be given an epithet calling him the friend of Greeks that implies he himself is not a Greek. It would be rather redundant to call a Greek the friend of Greeks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>>6\n>You didn't read the source.\nbut i did\n>Herodotus states that the Macedonian King had to make an argument for it\neveryone had to prove their greek descent if it was the first time competing\n>other Greeks competing argued that the Macedonians were Barbarians therefore they were ineligable to compete\nsouthern greeks often called macedonians barbarians to mock them for being regressive\nathenians also often called spartans barbarians because they hated them not because they viewed them as non greeks\n>so clearly there was a belief held that they were not Greek at least as a kneejerk reaction.\nthen why they were allowed to participate in the olympics lmao\n>>6\n>If he has to be given an epithet calling him the friend of Greeks that implies he himself is not a Greek. It would be rather redundant to call a Greek the friend of Greeks.\nyou clearly didn't read past ''philhellene''\nread my post again slowly"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>to mock them for being regressive\nThat's not implied at all in the text. They do so to disqualify him as Greek. Their complaint doesn't make any sense otherwise.\n>why they were allowed to participate in the olympics lmao\nNamely the King was.\n>you clearly didn't read past ''philhellene''\n(you) didn't actually source anything for it so as far as I can tell you made it up and it's best ignored."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nThis, Macedonian kings having to prove their personal lineage that they were Greek and not Macedonian to be able to compete personally somehow doesn't trigger flags in modern byzaboo brains."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>philhellene\n>Only historical records of its use were to foreign dignitaries\n>The only source that specifically states that it was used by patriotic Greeks is from Xenophon who only said that honorable Greeks should also be philhellene\n>Should\nRead your own sources brov"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe elite of roman society LARPed as greek tradcons."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>That's not implied at all in the text. They do so to disqualify him as Greek. Their complaint doesn't make any sense otherwise.\nwell even if that's true they were wrong because Alexander proved his greek origin and participated in the olympics\n>Namely the King was.>>9\n>Macedonian kings having to prove their personal lineage that they were Greek and not Macedonian to be able to compete personally somehow doesn't trigger flags in modern byzaboo brains.\nlater non royal macedonians were also allowed to participate\n>modern byzaboo brains\nschizophrenia,time to take your med sir\n>>10\n>>Only historical records of its use were to foreign dignitaries\n> Jason of Pherae and Evagoras of Cyprus\n>not greeks\nlol\n>The only source that specifically states that it was used by patriotic Greeks is from Xenophon\nEvagoras of Cyprus and Philip II were both called \"philhellenes\" by Isocrates"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Evagoras of Cyprus and Philip II were both called \"philhellenes\" by Isocrates\nAnd neither were Greek, Philip had to prove a Greek bloodline but he himself wasn’t Greek in their eyes but just “close enough”. The Cypriot on the otherhand was a Persian noble who ruled over Persian and Semitic islanders who didnt even use the Greek script at all but adopted it and gradually began to speak greek over the centuries. The Romans themselves noted that the Cypriotes were Levantine Semites who spoke Greek on top of their native language. Hell we had large surviving Aramaic groups in cyprus well into the medieval age"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Philip had to prove a Greek bloodline but he himself wasn’t Greek in their eyes but just “close enough”\nPhillip was the descendant of Alexander I, retard\n>The Cypriot on the otherhand was a Persian noble who ruled over Persian and Semitic islanders who didnt even use the Greek script at all but adopted it and gradually began to speak greek over the centuries. The Romans themselves noted that the Cypriotes were Levantine Semites who spoke Greek on top of their native language. Hell we had large surviving Aramaic groups in cyprus well into the medieval age\n>muh hellenized semites\nnice cope but:\n>He claimed descent from Teucer, the son of Telamon and half-brother of Ajax, and his family had long been rulers of Salamis, although during his childhood Salamis came under Phoenician control, which resulted in his exile"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYeah and Xenophon also said the Persians were the sons of Perseus, guess Persia is now Greek too because some schizo claims they are divine"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nnow you are just deflecting\ncypriots and macedonians were allowed to participate in panhellenic games, persians weren't"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Kings were allowed to participate after forging documents saying dey wuz greek n shit a thousand years ago\n>this somehow makes their entire populations Greek\nThis is some next level cope"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>This is some next level cope\nthe irony lmfao\ncommoners from these regions were also allowed to participate in panhellinic games,quit coping"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWho cares Macedonia was way up North and they had more do with Thracians genetically than Greeks. Greeks allowed them to mingle with them because they were greekified pastoralists and their immediate neighbours.Modern Greeks are Slavic mutts so only Greeks in the deep south of the peninsula can we wuzz as Alexander because they are the closest to him now."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>The neighbours of the ancient Greeks didn't take up their way of life, traditions, society or way of warfare\n...But they did though"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nAny prior to that Thracians used phalanx or did Illyrians did? Alexander's campaign never make any mention of such tactics and discipline."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Greeks in the deep south of the peninsula\nThey have much less Greek admixture than even OG \"Greeks\" (who're 20% Greek) from Macedonia, they're just Anatolians and Levantines."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The neighbours of the ancient Greeks didn't take up their way of life, traditions, society or way of warfare\nSome did. How do you think the Molossians became Epirus?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nBut they didn’t? At best you have Epirus and consciously the Kings of Pontus adopted Greek warfare. But the Thracians and the vast majority of Illyrians kept their own society and still practiced warfare based on clans. They didn’t start using Greek widely, they didn’t take up Greek ideas or political structures."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true St. Paul had a Merkavah experience as described in 2 Corinthians 12?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Angels are not the same thing as the Holy Spirit. One is a creation, the other is not conceivably so."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYes but the Holy Spirit works through angels. The Torah was delivered by angels."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly he saw them, other witnesses just saw a flash of light but no voice or visions. Think if you believe him."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHow come it corresponds exactly to Merkavah visions?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nNot true.\n\n>The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.\nActs 9:7"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>The Torah was delivered by angels.\nNo it wasn't, God spoke to Moses face to face"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIt's good to add the scripture to your posts.\n\n> The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.\nExodus 33:11"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n\"visions\" are just hallucinations dude. They aren't real."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is it true St. Paul had a Merkavah experience as described in 2 Corinthians 12?\nIts probably based on real life schizophrenic episode."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I do not trust Paul on principle given what a giant schizo he was."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How can we be judged by our deeds if double predestination is true? Doesn't that imply free will if we are judged according to our works? What's the point of judgement if some are elected and other reprobated out of no freedom of their own?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How can we be judged by our deeds if double predestination is true?\nWe can’t\n>Doesn't that imply free will if we are judged according to our works?\nYes\n>What's the point of judgement if some are elected and other reprobated out of no freedom of their own?\nThere is no point, it’s a false teaching. The word ‘freewill’ is even right there in the Septaguint"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOk but what about other parts of scripture that do mention God elected some not by foreknowledge but by his will like the very first chapter of Ephesians?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nElection is mysterious and complex but it is always presented in the context of God's loving and merciful character and never presented in a way that would undermine free will. Paul also emphasizes the role of faith in salvation throughout his letters, and that all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPaul emphasizes grace, faith is a gift not of ourselves, read Ephesians 2:8"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nVerse 10: ‘For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.” While faith is indeed a gift of God's grace, it is also something that must be received and responded to by the individual."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYour assertion contradicts Paul in Romans 3:9-20\n\n>What then? Are we any better off\n>No, not at all, for we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin,\n>as it is written:\n>\"There is no one who is righteous, not even one;\n>there is no one who has understanding;\n>there is no one who seeks God.\n>All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;\n>there is no one who shows kindness;\n>there is not even one.\"\n>\"Their throats are opened graves;\n>they use their tongues to deceive.\"\n>\"The venom of vipers is under their lips.\"\n>\"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.\"\n>\"Their feet are swift to shed blood;\n>ruin and misery are in their paths,\n>and the way of peace they have not known.\"\n>\"There is no fear of God before their eyes.\"\n>Now we know that, whatever the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world may be held accountable to God.\n>For no human will be justified before him by deeds prescribed by the law, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMy assertion that we are “created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life”?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat affirms the monergist viewpoint though. God works in us, we do not do it ourselves."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nPaul obviously is not talking about Christians there."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nHow can you fulfill the good works you were created for without responding to God’s call?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nBecause it is God alone who works. He moves us to do it."}, {"id": 13, "content": "if free will exists as jews claim:\nit was created by the jewish god to give a man a choice: either be a god's drone and not suffer, or do the opposite of what god wants and suffer. thus free will has no freedom in it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Don’t respond to God; that’s obviously satanic"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIt's called sanctification."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nSomeone can be saved without being sanctified? No. According to the Bible, salvation and sanctification are both part of the process of being saved and transformed by God. While they are distinct aspects of that process, they are also interconnected and cannot be separated."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and the pharisees, you’re not saved, because you’re not Christ’s disciple. If you’re not crucified with Christ you’re not a disciple. If you’re not crucified with Christ, your baptism is a sham. You have been baptized unto condemnation.\n\nOur business isn’t to speculate on whether God predestined you to do this or not. Our business is to do it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How can we be judged by our deeds if double predestination is true?\nwe can't, simply"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nYes he is. Good cannot come from us, but only from God working through us, after we have received His grace.\n\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n\nWithout God's grace, we are absolutely nothing; we cannot do good."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Yes he is. Good cannot come from us, but only from God working through us, after we have received His grace.\nThat’s why he’s not talking about Christians. If he is, does that include you?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">What's the point of judgement if some are elected and other reprobated out of no freedom of their own?\nAs a display of God's mercy and grace, for the elect. And as a display of God's justice for the wicked.\n\n>14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,\n>“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,\n>and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”\nRomans 9:14-15\n\nBy questioning the doctrine of double predestination, you question the nature of God. Yes, it's a tricky concept, which is why the Apostle Paul predicts that people will have issues with it (\"Is God unjust?\").\nYou should read and watch content by Ligonier ministries if you really want to know more about it. Or read Romans 9."}, {"id": 22, "content": "The whole of Romans 9 is very useful in understanding regarding this topic.\n\n>10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”\nRomans 9:10-13"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>>22\nAre you going to answer?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>23\n\n>How can we be judged by our deeds if double predestination is true?\nBecause we have been given the ability to know right from wrong, and yet we have all rebelled. All humans are guilty and deserve eternal damnation; we are only redeemed by Jesus' sacrifice.\n\n>For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\n>Doesn't that imply free will if we are judged according to our works?\nWe have free will in the sense that we can make choices, but our choices can never be good, and always rebel against God, due to our inherently sinful condition. Any actions that we (the elect) do that are good, are only good because God did those actions through us. The reprobate can do nothing that is good/pleases God.\n\n>And without faith it is impossible to please God [...]\nHebrews 11:6\n\nIf we were judged by our works, then everyone would be damned.\n\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\n\netc.\n\n>What's the point of judgement if some are elected and other reprobated out of no freedom of their own?\nTo make God's wrath and justice known to the reprobate, and also His mercy and love known to the elect.\n\n>22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory—\nRomans 9:22-23"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNot OP but >>20\n>That’s why he’s not talking about Christians. If he is, does that include you?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nI don't understand the question."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe point of judgement is to eliminate these corrupters, they should have never been born. They make everything worse forever for having existed. They existed because of sinners sinning."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nIf Paul is including Christians in Romans 3:9-20 then do you include yourself in that?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYes, of course. The point that Paul is making is that no one is good, and no one can make himself good by following the law. This draws parallels to Jesus' interaction with the Rich Young Man. Paul is trying to show us that we have all failed to live up to God's standard.\nIf no one is good, and no one can live up to God's perfect standard, then no one can enter heaven... unless, we have a saviour, who would sacrifice Himself for us, so that we might have eternal life.\n\nThis section follows directly after Romans 3:9-20:\n\n>21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:21-26"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThat’s why it doesn’t include Christians."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIt does include Christians. It includes everyone that has existed, with the exception of Jesus."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nSo then you’re saying\n>you’re not righteous;\n>you have no understanding;\n>you don’t seek God;\n>you have turned aside and become worthless;\n>you don’t show kindness;\n>your throat is an open grave;\n>you use your tongue to deceive;\n>the venom of vipers is under your lips;\n>your mouth is full of cursing and bitterness;\n>your feet are swift to shed blood;\n>ruin and misery are in your paths;\n>the way of peace you have not known;\n>there is no fear of God before your eyes\n?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nCorrect. That is why Christians are so thankful for the grace of God, which works through us and grants us righteousness. Without God, I am nothing. That’s what Paul is saying here."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nDid you forget your tripcode?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYes."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nI don’t believe you"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Why are all Reformed/Calvinists unhinged?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n“Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”\n\nxD"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody is judged on the basis of the divine decree. The sins of the reprobate are real, and the righteousness of the Son of God is real."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\n\"Continue in my word and you will be my disciples indeed, and the truth will set you free\"."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nPoint?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">If God is good, why must we suffer?\nI know 4chan hates this question and views it as inherently silly, but, like it or not, this question has persisted for a reason. There have been a variety of theodicies, but that variety in itself points towards the immense difficulty of the issue. Beyond the ad hominem of \"why bad thing happen\", what's your answer?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "There is none.\nGod deciding not to defeat evil and the devil is a choice because he’s not omnibenevolent or he’s not all powerful.\nOr he’s just not real and it’s all myth\nThe"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf there wasn’t a bad, how would there be a good?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>and views it as inherently silly\nOnly christcucks view it as \"silly\" because they don't have a good answer for it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this question has persisted for a reason\nNot a good reason.\n>Beyond the ad hominem of \"why bad thing happen\", what's your answer?\nThat's not an ad hominem. The question is perfectly legitimate, and there is a simple biblical answer, but the question turned into an argument against the existence of God is an appeal to emotion and may be dismissed for that reason alone. Maybe you don't like God because you want to blame Him for suffering, but you disliking something doesn't mean that thing doesn't exist."}, {"id": 6, "content": "It's so silly that Alvin Plantinga was forced to construct a theodicy where natural evil is caused by supernatural entities whose free will matters more than the suffering of the little girl with ebola."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>The question is perfectly legitimate, and there is a simple biblical answer, but the question turned into an argument against the existence of God\nYeah because the conception of an all powerful fully good god cannot coexist with evil. He lets the devil live and act on the world and he put the tree in the garden\nIn reality though the people who came up with this religion left plot holes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nGod did decide to defeat evil and the devil. He even decided to annihilate them. The fact they continue to be present in this world in your experience is irrelevant to that. For God there is no difference between the creation of the world, this moment right now, and the last judgement. God does not exist in time."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Yeah because the conception of an all powerful fully good god cannot coexist with evil\nWhy?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>God did decide to defeat evil and the devil. He even decided to annihilate them.\nChristians believe the devil is real, so is hell and evil, so you’re wrong."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nIf god is atemporal, then so is his experience of any evil perpetrated by evil entities. In other words, allowing any evil, even temporarily constrained, means allowing eternal evil from god's atemporal perspective."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nBecause he’s letting evil exist when he doesn’t have to"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>God did decide to defeat evil and the devil. He even decided to annihilate them. The fact they continue to be present in this world in your experience is irrelevant to that\nwhat the fuck am i reading. how did this board get like this?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nNow you may have a little insight into why the punishment is eternal."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nHe doesn't have to not let it exist either"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nGod would defeat evil if he was fully good.\nAgain though, this is just a plothole in religious mythology"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>he thinks I didn't use that to construct this argument\nlol, lmao even\nYour theodicy is in ruins."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUltimately, I'm not sure. But, on the other hand I also think the moral argument has some validity. I find it much more difficult to situate objective moral obligation into an atheistic worldview. So it seems the argument ends up being self-defeating."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy answer:\nHuman kind needs salvation not from reallity but from them selfs."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>God would defeat evil if he was fully good.\nHe did.\n>>17\nYou used the fact God doesn't allow evil to construct your argument about God allowing evil? Impressive doublethink"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>I find it much more difficult to situate objective moral obligation into an atheistic worldview.\nYeah because it’s not really objective. Morals are subjective but since so many people are on the same page it works.\nIf you have a group of people that agree on rules you don’t need a list to come from the sky"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Morals are subjective\nSo it's ok to torture little children to death."}, {"id": 23, "content": "we suffer even without wars, famine, disease and so on. so whats the point of all that? and if god wants us to suffer for some reason, why make it so hellish? a lot of mind-boggling evil thought went into crafting the perfect intricate hell for us.\n\nthere's just no way to say god is good, if there is a god, that god is insane."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>He did\nHe literally didn’t. Christians believe satan evil and hell exist and affect humanity today and since the beginning.\nYou people are straight up larpers who never set foot in a church, or more pathetic you’re being dishonest"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>the fact God doesn't allow evil\nHe allows evil, he just punishes it. A perfectly good God wouldn't allow it in the first place."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Because humans will it. And God allows it. Humankind is the viceroy of god on earth."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no problem with evil but with the concept of a benevolent God."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nAbsolutely not. Me, you and almost everyone on earth agrees that’s fucked up and one of the worst things anyone can do"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nhumans arent even responsible for 99.99% of the suffering in the world."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nDo humans will diseases?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>everyone on earth agrees\nAnd?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nTrue, or god just isn’t real"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nThat’s how morality works. People agree that certain things are right or wrong"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>23\nAppeal to emotion\n>>24\n>since the beginning.\nNo sir, not since the beginning. God looked down on all the works He had made and said \"Behold, it is very good\". God made no evil.\n>You people are straight up larpers who never set foot in a church, or more pathetic you’re being dishonest\nYou sound upset\n>>25\n>He allows evil, he just punishes it\nWould you say a judge who sentences a murderer to death allows murder?\n>A perfectly good God wouldn't allow it in the first place\nWhy not?\n>>28\nWhat about people who like to torture little children to death. They think it's great and want to do it. Is it ok for them?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>No sir, not since the beginning. God looked down on all the works He had made and said \"Behold, it is very good\". God made no evil.\nyou werent there, weird how claim things about god without being there yourself"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>God looked down on all the works He had made and said \"Behold, it is very good\". God made no evil.\nThen evil wouldn’t exist. Even without directly making evil he creates a reality where it could possibly exist."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>Would you say a judge who sentences a murderer to death allows murder?\nDid the judge create the entire universe along with the murderer while being aware of all consequences of this creative act?\n>Why not?\nBecause evil isn't perfectly good."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nAppeal to emotion\nCircular reasoning\nBurden of proof\n\nye we can do that too retard"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>What about people who like to torture little children to death. They think it's great and want to do it. Is it ok for them?\nNo because the group disagrees and you’re a creepy psycho btw. If you’re asking if he would think it’s okay, then yes he would. That’s what makes evil people, they like being evil"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nGod told me about it.\n>>36\n>Then evil wouldn’t exist.\nWhy?\n>>37\n>Did the judge create the entire universe along with the murderer while being aware of all consequences of this creative act?\nEquivocation fallacy\n>Because evil isn't perfectly good.\nGod did no evil.\n>>38\nYes you are doing those things.\n>>39\n>No because the group disagrees\nSo what? How does the group have authority over him? Is his duty to defer to them objective, or is it subjective?\n>If you’re asking if he would think it’s okay, then yes he would.\nNo, the question is on what basis do *you* claim it is not ok?\n>That’s what makes evil people, they like being evil\nWhat is evil?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>So what? How does the group have authority over him?\nMost places have you locked up for life, nearly your whole life or executed. Why do you need basic things explained to you?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>Equivocation fallacy\nWhat did I equivocate? If anything, you used an invalid comparison.\n>God did no evil.\nIf the consequences of your actions result in evil, and you know this beforehand, you did evil. If Hitler's parents knew what their son would do, giving birth to him would be evil."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nGod allows evil to exist therefore he is not fully good and/or fully powerful. Evil the devil is able to fight him off of he lets the devil sow evil\n\nOR… hear me out…this is bullshit ancient mythology with some plotholes"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nAre they objectively right to do so, or are they doing nothing but obeying the whims of their feelings? If it is the latter, what is the difference between society punishing the child killer because it feels good to it, and the child killer punishing the child because it feels good to him?\n>>42\n>What did I equivocate?\nThe word \"allow\"\n>If the consequences of your actions result in evil, and you know this beforehand, you did evil\nOnly if it is direct.\n>If Hitler's parents knew what their son would do, giving birth to him would be evil.\nSo you believe future crimes should be punished? This is not a biblical standard.\n>>43\n>God allows evil to exist therefore he is not fully good and/or fully powerful\nSays who?\n>Evil the devil is able to fight him off of he lets the devil sow evil\nNo, God does not tolerate evil, not even \"for a time\" because God does not exist in time. From God's perspective there is no difference between the devil being loose on the world and his punishment in hell. Therefore God only \"lets\" the devil sow evil if a judge who sentences a murderer to death \"lets\" the murderer commit murder.\n>OR… hear me out…this is bullshit ancient mythology with some plotholes\nYour disdain for your creator doesn't prove He doesn't exist. It only proves you are badly in need of Christ's mercy."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically: trust the plan.\n\nI consider this to be a satisfactory answer, because the alternative is that there is no meaning in suffering and bad things happen to good people for no reason. Which only a psychopath would be willing to accept such an answer. As an act of uncompromising rebellion to nihilism, we must stand strong with God and trust that all suffering has a purpose."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>abject psycho is also a sophist Christianity apologist on 4chan\nRemember kids, there’s a reason why Christians are often off-putting. You’re guy instinct that they’re hiding something is correct"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nGood thing your opinion isn't worth anything.\n>>45\nAmen brother, it surely does all have a purpose. We are living in the best possible world."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>3\nIn the same way that we know the storm exists even though no man has ever sat within a rain cloud, man could have learned about evil objectively from a distance. The idea that evil must exist within men in order for them to know the good is therefore not necessarily true."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>The word \"allow\"\nNot an equivocation. If you can prevent something and don't do it, you allow it.\n>Only if it is direct.\nWhy? If a general lets an undisciplined army into a city knowing full well they will pillage it, do you think he isn't responsible for the pillaging?\n>So you believe future crimes should be punished?\nThe scenario I outlined doesn't feature any punishment."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>5\nI am a Christian. The fact that you immediately assume an adversarial tone when confronted with this question, and assume the worst, is part of the issue. The question obviously makes you uncomfortable which is why you lashed out. This speaks to its enduring power to cause concern. Instead of attacking others, why don't you devote more time to realising an answer that will truly sit well with you and help to turn others away from sin?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>Not an equivocation. If you can prevent something and don't do it, you allow it.\nYou are equivocating between allow, in the sense of \"permit to exist\", and the sense of \"tolerate\". They are not the same. God does not tolerate evil.\n>If a general lets an undisciplined army into a city knowing full well they will pillage it\nThis is direct. The previous example about Hitler is not direct.\n>The scenario I outlined doesn't feature any punishment\nA distinction without a difference"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>The fact that you immediately assume an adversarial tone when confronted with this question\nIs because it was presented in an adversarial way.\n>The question obviously makes you uncomfortable\nIt doesn't.\n>you lashed out\n>attacking others\nI didn't."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>You are equivocating between allow, in the sense of \"permit to exist\", and the sense of \"tolerate\". They are not the same. God does not tolerate evil.\nThey are the same thing if you have the absolute power to prevent the thing in question. The precise formulation is that god allows evil but he doesn't allow it to go unpunished. \"Evil\" and \"evil going unpunished\" are two separate subjects, with the former being tolerated and the latter not being tolerated.\n>This is direct. The previous example about Hitler is not direct.\nThere is no difference between the two examples to an omniscient agent.\n>A distinction without a difference\nThen your earlier comment was completely meaningless. Thank you for conceding that."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>They are the same thing if you have the absolute power to prevent the thing in question\nJustice is not preventative.\n>\"Evil\" and \"evil going unpunished\" are two separate subjects, with the former being tolerated and the latter not being tolerated.\nIf you mean evil exists, yes evil exists. But that doesn't give you any point because the mere existence of evil in and of itself says nothing about God.\n>There is no difference between the two examples to an omniscient agent.\n>Then your earlier comment was completely meaningless.\nThese are non sequiturs"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>27\nGod has mercy on everyone who cries out to Him though. The \"God doesn't like me\" argument doesn't work for believers, only for atheists and agnostics. But believers still suffer.\n\nI think suffering exists to be defeated, or else overcome via simple, patient endurance. This overcoming empowers us and brings us closer to our glorified image. One might say, \"why does God not simply grant the power without the suffering?\" but - in our current state - it's possible that this would not be the perfect mode of delivery."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\n>Is because it was presented in an adversarial way.\nThe OP was presented in as gentle and compassionate a manner possible. I fail to see how you understood it to be adversarial. What's your thinking here?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>Justice is not preventative.\nWhich is why your earlier comparison was in fact a false comparison.\nJustice only comes into play once god allows evil to exist in the first place. The punishment is good, allowing evil to exist isn't. Thus the judge in your example only does a good thing while god does both a good thing and an evil thing.\n>If you mean evil exists, yes evil exists. But that doesn't give you any point because the mere existence of evil in and of itself says nothing about God.\nAnd it exist because god allows it to exist.\n>These are non sequiturs\nYour first comment on this topic was \"So you believe future crimes should be punished?\" Since I didn't imply that anywhere, your first comment was in fact a non sequitor."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nIt was adversarial because it was indistinct from an enemy of the faith presenting an objection. You could have said you were curious for what reason God decreed the existence of evil, or asked what the best/biblical theodicy is, but you called it the problem of evil and implied it has no answer.\n>>57\n>Justice only comes into play once god allows evil to exist in the first place.\nThere is a reason why God permitted evil to come into existence.\n>god does both a good thing and an evil thing\nBy what standard do you call God's actions evil?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>There is a reason why God permitted evil to come into existence.\nThat being?\n>By what standard do you call God's actions evil?\nBy his own standard, which is why your god is incoherent."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>That being?\nGod decreed the existence of evil to demonstrate His wrath and mercy.\n>By his own standard\nProof?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>God decreed the existence of evil to demonstrate His wrath and mercy.\nSo you concede that god is the author of evil. Your description sounds like a toddler playing with toys and destroying some of them as a means of self-aggrandizement.\n>Proof?\nThe evil he allowed is evil by his standard."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>So you concede that god is the author of evil\nNo.\n>Your description sounds like a toddler playing with toys and destroying some of them as a means of self-aggrandizement.\nDoes He make you cry too?\n>The evil he allowed is evil by his standard.\nCan you defend the claim God evil according to His own standard, sir?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>No.\nIf god decreed the existence of evil, he is the author of evil.\n>Does He make you cry too?\nPathetic response demonstrating you can't defend the idea of a perfectly good god creating evil as a means of self-aggrandizement.\n>Can you defend the claim God evil according to His own standard, sir?\nNon-response, I just did."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>58\n>It was adversarial because it was indistinct from an enemy of the faith presenting an objection.\n\"Enemies of the faith\" also breathe air and drink water. Are we to avoid these things for this reason? You want Christians to modulate their language to such an extent that they never ask the same questions as unbelievers. Such a desire isn't tenable. By assuming the worst, you betray your own insecurity in relation to the question itself.\n>You could have said you were curious for what reason God decreed the existence of evil\nThat's what I did.\n>or asked what the best/biblical theodicy is\nIf I wanted to know that, I would have surveyed Wikipedia. This place has the power to occasionally provide fresh insight, which is why I phrased the question in the manner that I did, acknowledging the fact that 4chan has routinely mocked the idea.\n>but you called it the problem of evil\nChristians also call it this.\n>and implied it has no answer.\nNowhere did I do this. Again, you betray your own insecurity through an uncharitable assumption. Acknowledgement of the difficulty of a certain question due to its historical tenacity is in no way implying it has no answer."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>If god decreed the existence of evil, he is the author of evil.\nBig meanie God did not come out of heaven and put a gun to Adam's head and order him \"do it, you do it, I want you to do it\".\n>Pathetic response\nI think your response was pathetic.\n>a means of self-aggrandizement.\nYour disdain for God does not mean He doesn't exist. Facts don't care about your feelings\n>Non-response, I just did.\nI accept your concession\n>>64\n>You want Christians to modulate their language to such an extent that they never ask the same questions as unbelievers\nNo, brother. Do you really think there's no way someone could read that post and think you were attempting to argue against the faith?\n>If I wanted to know that\nThen what, exactly, do you want to know?\n>Christians also call it this.\nYes but the point had to do with the context in which you called it that.\n>Nowhere did I do this\n\"There have been a variety of theodicies, but that variety in itself points towards the immense difficulty of the issue.\"\n>Acknowledgement of the difficulty of a certain question due to its historical tenacity\nTenacity doesn't imply difficulty...."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>Big meanie God did not come out of heaven and put a gun to Adam's head and order him \"do it, you do it, I want you to do it\".\nNo, he created Adam such that he would do it with the intent of using it to glorify himself.\n>Your disdain for God does not mean He doesn't exist. Facts don't care about your feelings\nThat doesn't respond to anything I said. Further demonstrating that you can't defend creating evil for self-aggrandizement as being a perfectly good action.\n>I accept your concession\nAvoiding responding to what I said and just shouting \"I accept your concession\" doesn't mean I conceded, it just means you're avoiding responding to what I said."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>No, he created Adam such that he would do it\nAdam was a free man, not a robot.\n>That doesn't respond to anything I said\nThere was nothing of substance to respond to\n>creating evil\nGod did not create evil.\n>Avoiding responding to what I said\nThere was nothing to respond to, you couldn't substantiate your claims."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>Adam was a free man, not a robot.\nYes, he was free to act according to his will which was created by god such that he would eat the fruit. Otherwise god couldn't be glorified by punishing evil, which would according to you ironically be evil.\n>There was nothing of substance to respond to\nOnce again demonstrating the fact that you can't defend the notion that creating evil for self-aggrandizement is consistent with a perfectly good being.\n>God did not create evil.\nYou literally said that god decreed evil. And indeed, an omnipotent omnipresent god who created a world containing evil created evil.\n>There was nothing to respond to, you couldn't substantiate your claims.\nI just did it once again."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nomnipotence is logically impossible (no entity can break the laws of logic). therefore, there is no omnipotent God who is capable of ending all suffering. Of course, perhaps ending all suffering is still possible and doesn't require omnipotence. In that case, there is not an entity that is both powerful enough and loving enough (such as an alien civilization, although there are alien civilizations) that can do this. We hopefully will accomplish this for ourselves one day.\nhttps://www.paradise-engineering.com"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>65\n>No, brother. Do you really think there's no way someone could read that post and think you were attempting to argue against the faith?\nI think that's a sweeping assumption for you to make. Which is sort of my whole point here - you're insisting on seeing a problem where there is none, and this speaks to your own insecurity around the issue.\n>Then what, exactly, do you want to know?\nIt's in the OP. I wanted to engage with fresh responses, Christian and otherwise, in the hopes that a greater resolution could be reached. I have offered my own understanding as a Christian in this thread.\n>Yes but the point had to do with the context in which you called it that.\nAs stated, you're seeing a context that I did not create. Note the fact that no-one else in this thread has made the same assumption you have made in relation to the OP being inherently adversarial.\n>\"There have been a variety of theodicies, but that variety in itself points towards the immense difficulty of the issue.\"\nAgain, simply recognising that a question is difficult is in no way equivalent to saying the question has no answer.\n>Tenacity doesn't imply difficulty....\nI think if a question has been asked again and again and has generated a variety of responses down the ages it's fair to call that question difficult."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>6\nIt's *possible* they are caused by freely willed agents, like demons\nhe doesn't need to believe that, he knows that's false\nall he needs is for it to be *possible*\n\nNot clear on how this helps if you don't believe in demons"}, {"id": 72, "content": "Having a real hard time with the difference between ALLOW and CAUSE on omnipotence+omniscience"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God is omnipotent\n>God considers himself something \"good/love\".\n>The subjectivity of God is the objectivity in reality itself.\n>God is good.\n\nEverything else is really subjective because it comes from the human being."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And NDErs talk about how life is like a video game or a simulation and you actually chose to come here, and that the meaning of life is to learn to love and be kind and thrive here despite how hard it is in this world. So how is it going anon?\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nSo suffering is chosen premortally to overcome it lovingly, thus \"leveling up\" spiritually."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>74\nSo read NDE accounts and basically all you can about NDEs. Books, YouTube-videos, articles, everything. They will make you realize that there is an afterlife, that there is meaning to life, and that NDErs say that the primary purpose here is to learn to love everyone and everything, no matter what. That it does not matter so much what kind of things we do, but whether we do them with no strings attached, and summon that kindness, love, and compassion on the inside of our own minds as we do it. So the meaning of life then, according to NDErs, is the small things. Whether it is helping someone with their homework, cooking dinner for our family, cleaning the bathroom, or picking up trash from the ground. Whatever it is, if we do it with love, then that is so huge on the other side, it is amazingly huge. So life is like a game where the goal is to summon as much kindness, love, compassion, and generosity as we possibly can squeeze out of our intentions. Which admittedly is definitely easier said than done!\n\nYou are playing life on a higher difficulty anon. We are here to learn to shine with love and kindness _in a world where it is undeniably hard to do so_! So are you up for the challenge? You can do it anon. Show us you can do it.\n\nSo sure, suicide shoots you directly to heaven and infinite bliss. But at the same time, you were there when choosing to come here. Suicide is therefore like turning off the Silent Hill video game and going out in the sun and playing with your friends. Which is totally fine! But it's not beating and 100%-ing the game, which is to live until death takes you, and being kind and loving all the time along the way.\n\nSo choosing to come here is like choosing to go to Harvard. It is not easy, and you have to be somebody to even get to come here. As NDErs say, everybody on Earth is a star on the other side for having the courage and endurance to come to this nightmare hellhole."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only solution I can think of to this issue is that the material world is a necessary instruction on the meaning of falling away from God. He wants us armed with this knowledge, for whatever reason. And it requires hands on experience, for whatever reason.\n\nThis leaves open another plot hole though in that most denominations would assert babies go to heaven. But perhaps the hands on knowledge humanity has gained is shared with them."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>71\n>he doesn't need to believe that, he knows that's false\nThat's a misunderstanding of the argument. If that's definitely false, the argument doesn't work.\nThe argument is that you cannot 100% prove that evil is inconsistent with a triomni god because all natural evil could be caused by demons with free will. That is all that he's attempting to do, to disprove that the argument from the problem of natural evil is deductively sound.\nIt does nothing to prove that if natural evil isn't caused by demons, the triomni god is still internally consistent."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not going to bother answering a question that has been satisfactorily answered many times in the past 2000 years, so I'm going to posit a conundrum to refute your premise: Can you define this thing called \"evil\" objectively, and prove its existence? Until you can do that, there is no \"Problem\"."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>16\n>God would defeat evil if he was fully good.\nSee the problem here is that you're tackling this from the perspective of a limited physical entity that exists within time and space. From God's perspective beyond and outside of time and space, He's already defeated evil, it's just that the rest of reality hasn't caught up to Him yet.\nYou are, quite literally, an NPC in God's video game. The Whiterun guard doesn't know that Alduin is already coded to be defeated, but it is a foregone conclusion, even accounting for the free-will of argonian maid sex mods.\n\n>Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nI just don't get why anyone who doesn't believe demons cause hurricanes should care"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>5\n>but you disliking something doesn't mean that thing doesn't exist.\nThe problem of evil isn't a refutation of the existence of God, it's a refutation of an all-knowing all-good God."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe question is framed as if you can't imagine any alternatives but there are many.\nIf our subjective experience is the same phenomena that choice to experience adversity/suffering like the Bible says then we're getting exactly what we wanted.\nThe videogame/simulation analogy is corny but it's still an alternative we can imagine which means the premise of the \"problem\" is shown to be false. If you chose to enter this subjective experience like you choose to enter videogames where's the unpreventable \"evil\"? There's just adversity at a level you chose."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>3\nIf God is omnipotent he can make a world of good that is devoid of evil. Saying that their must be evil for good to exist implies that God couldn't have made it another way."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nThat world already exists according to the Bible. Adam and Eve chose to know what's beyond perfection.\nLogically speaking that world would be eternally static, nothing would happen, except logic also says such a world doesn't even need to obey logic."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngnosticism refutes this"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>80\nYou shouldn't care, it's a shit argument."}, {"id": 87, "content": "Karma solves the problem of evil, I think."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you think Benito got it worst out of all WW2 axis leaders?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was poetic justice. The weak shall perish."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtleast he isn't as hated as Shitler or mogged to death by an Americhad McArthur in the front of his nation."}, {"id": 4, "content": "What was he thinking attacking on two fronts when he knew his military was incapable of performing?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWait when did he do that? He only attacked Greece. Noone saw the horrible person of Italian army. Yes,it was garbage but noone expected them to job to Greece of all nations."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItaly is doing fine though, Britain on the other hand..."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe deserved it, should have never allied with shitler"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n\nIt was a gamble. He thought German victory was assured and didn't want to miss out on some major spoils of war.\n\n>>5\nAnon likely referring to attacking Greece while being at war with Britain.\nHe also technically opened up 2 fronts the immediate moment he declared war on Britain and France."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMussolini was a puppet of the british, once he was no lonmger useful to the british government the anglos murdered him\nThere is no injustice or tragedy in the death of mussolini\nThe injustice and tragedy about mussolini is in his rising to power, of the subversion of a whole nation to serve the anglos war plans against germany and all europe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nHe attacked the British in Egypt at the same time.\n\n>>8\nI understand him showing face and attacking the British in North Africa plus sending a cursory force into France but why Greece? Mussolini was no fool, he knew his forces were not capable."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Italy is doing fine\nI wish...\nt. Italian who sees nafris assaulting Italians on the regular"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThe positive side of this is that the kind of immigrants that arrive in Italy and the rest of mediterranean are fresh off the boat niggers who'll never reach powerful political posts.\nWhile poojets already have infiltrated the british gov and are pushing for more immigration, they also pulled out of EU so no more polish toilet cleaners to compensate for the brown hordes. Its literally over for those britgoys, 20 years from now they will be a minority in their own country and its going to be beautiful"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThey don’t need to become great political leaders. They’ll just fuck Italian women instead. I see Italian couples all the time but they never have kids. But whenever I see an Italian lady with a nafri they’ve always got a baby in a pushchair. I would say that 35-40% of births to Italian women are to non-Italian fathers"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>>11\n>t. nafri"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nand Hitler have pro-Anglo thoughts"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n\nIt was largely because of a degree of inferiority complex towards Germany. Italy wanted to set its own mark. The Axis were an extremely loose alliance with very little communication and cooperation. They were almost rivals rather than allies and often got on each others nerves.\n\nMussolinis grand imperial ambitions were on pair with Hitlers, but Italy was far more careful and selective with the fights they picked. Mussolini knew his nation was not prepared for war and had extremely limited ability, thus attacking the absolute weakest nations (Albania, Ethiopia).\nGreece was largely the only \"weak\" nation remaining that Italy could confront on its own, so it was a good opportunity for Italy to show Germany they too were capable.\n\nAfter the disaster at Greece and Operation Compass (both who occured largely at the same time), Mussolini basically conceded to become a German puppet. He never made any grand speeches again and gave in to every German demand. He knew the facade was gone, and Italy was at the mercy of both Britain and Germany."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>While poojets already have infiltrated the british gov and are pushing for more immigration\nItaly has instead an american jew running one of the main parties"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">There is a universe where he is remembered for stopping Hitler and preventing WWII."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>>17\nAnd before this new Schlein zog, the same PD party was headed by, Letta who participated in the anglo controlled globalist bilderberg group, Renzi who participated in the anglo controlled globalist bilderberg group\nItaly also got Draghi, who participated in the anglo controlled globalist bilderberg group and was the head of the globalist central bank of europe\n\nThe new immigrants coming to Italy have already decades of political anti-italian subversion in their favor prepared in front of them, they don't need to do anything to make things worse"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nCope more. Italian birth rates are at an all time low. The only women giving birth are black prostitutes and italian women who fuck immigrants"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\nDoes the mob still operate? Why can't you just hire some greaseballs to crack their vertebrae? The local zogbots ain't gonna do it."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, hitler was forced to suicide"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nBut in this universe, ww2 never happened so no one knows it was prevented. And since it never happened, no one even cares who hitler was in the first place."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nHe's not lying though, the only Italians having are the Italian women breeding with immigrants and the Italian men breeding with fresh off the boat gorilla-looking sheboons.\n\nItalian + Italian couples have no children."}, {"id": 25, "content": "I think he was the worst out of all WW2 axis leader"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah I'd say so.\nOut of all three of the main Axis leaders, he was by far the least evil.\nAnd Italy committed far fewer warcrimes then either the Nazis or the Japanese.\n\nBut, he still was a dictator, and his people thought him bad enough to kill, so I suppose he still deserved it"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\n>>10\nItaly would have eventually beaten Greece if the war had continued one-on-one. The Greek army was being pushed to its absolute limits to hold the line against Italy while the Italian army was operating at normal strength. Still, Mussolini's goal was a swift conquest to rival Hitler's recent victories, and the failure to pull it off was a defeat in itself."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe had a bitch willingly die beside him. No cap but that that is literally just unspoken rizz fr fr."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how did they lose?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "you forgot to zoom out, and you forgot (bizarrely, given the Barbarossa-era border) to color the USSR in blue as well"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't get it. Fighting heroically to the last drop of blood is more honorable than winning easily. This is how a legend is formed. If they won, they would have just become another boring, shitty empire like the USSR that would have collapsed. This way they become legends forever like the spartans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis. Its why nobody gives a shit about FDR and the other shabbos goys but Hitler's name, image and ideas will never be forgotten."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrun out of fuel\ni dont mean just for the army but for their own economy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritcucks"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>>6\n>literally 13 years old"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy being clinically retarded and led by a guy with the IQ, work ethic and common sense of a Down’s syndrome child"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>t. Sigismund steinhauser"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nDon't forget that he was a morphine addict who became increasingly delusional (in the medical sense of the word) as the war went on and his sanity/connection to reality decreased further and further."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>t."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngot cucked by the greeks unironically\nbut you can blame shitalians for this"}, {"id": 13, "content": "These ww2 maps never gets old.\n\n>Watch me perpetuate myths still taught in basic education."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSupply by horsecart and lack of oil."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nKarma exists"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n\nWould probably not have happened if Hitler didnt taint and tarnish nationalism, racial eugenics, conservative ideals, or giving marxist scholars a blank cheque to impose leftist ideologies and mass immigration without debate or opposition.\n\nMost western nations still had racial policies and were extremely nationalistic when Hitler came to power, it wasnt until after Hitlers little games that the west began to abandon them for the moral grounds of distance from nazism.\n\n>tldr\nThe southern states should not have imported Africans to the US which made blacks a permanent population.\nTarrant should not have brought guns to shoot up a mosque which banned guns\nHitler should not have started a world war and gone racial genocidal which did nothing but damage to Europe."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Hitler should not have started a world war\nBut it was the Britcucks who declared war"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nThe JEW pilpuled their niggers with Goatse to dildo the soi, leading to eventual defeat."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nBased Hitler sacrificing his nation to rid the world of the anglo plague."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n\nIf Britain wanted a war they would have said no to Hitler during the Sudetenland crisis and that would have been the end of Hitlers little games.\n\nIf Britain wanted war they would have accepted France will to declare war on Germany the moment they broke the first points of the Versailles treaty.\n\nBritain declared war when it was clear Hitler was a liar who couldnt be trusted, and with clearly militaristic imperial ambitions."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Britain declared war\nSo you agree"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>our militaristic imperial ambitions\ngood\n>your militaristic imperial ambitions\nbad"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\n>rid the world of the anglo plague.\n\nHis actions gave half of Europe to the communists. The other half became dependent on the US to rebuild itself and for protection. His actions caused the destruction of old cultural cities and the death of millions of European. Millions of ancient german lines of ancestry gone.\n\nIs it really such a hard pill to swallow that Europe would likely have been a better place for your own ideology if Hitler had just not started ww2"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n\nThat Britain declared war on Germany? Yes\nThat Britain \"started\" ww2 by doing so? No\nDid USA start the Korean war?\n\n>>22\nYou dont challenge the established hegemony and expect everything is going to go your way."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nHow exactly did invading some irrelevant slavic shithole cause all that?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFighting enemies that massively outnumbered and outproduced them\nNo kraut space magic or wunderwaffe could've saved them short of nukes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nPhony war.\nNo one was doing anything but then he had to actually attack France"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>15\nThose countries exist. Nazoid Goymany doesn't."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n\n>How exactly did breaking your pacts with Britain and invading a nation under British protection and then invade several more nations cause a thousand tons of British explosived dropped on German cities?\n\n>It was meant to only be Warsaw burning REEEEE"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>7\n>>9\nSeethe"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nHe attacked France after they declared war on him. You're basically admitting that they had no business with what Hitler was doing in the East and the rest of Western Europe was dragged in the conflict by anglos."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nIndia and Pakistan do exist, true."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n\nHow is an aggressive militaristic imperial Germany becoming a continental hegemony not their business?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>He attacked France after they declared war on him.\nSymbolic declaration, they were not doing anything. The phony war was yet another peace offer to Hitler"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>jew doesn't know what minding your own business is\nnot surprised"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how did they lose\nBecause they sucked. If they didn't, they would have won."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>Symbolic declaration\nMeme, if they didn't want war they should've just minded their own business"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n\n>not surprised\n\nIm not suprised you think this is the FIRST TIME in history an established hegemony protects its interest by preventing a rising rival from achieving its ambitions.\n\n>jews\nYou can fuck off back to /pol/ now. The discussion has obviously gone beyond your capabilities."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>24\n>That Britain declared war on Germany? Yes\n>That Britain \"started\" ww2 by doing so? No\nIs this the new Britcuck cope?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n\nDid USA start the Korean war?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>rising rival from achieving its ambitions.\nLike they tried to prevent the Soviets?\nOr America?\nOr France?\nYou're extremely retarded and should just stick to sucking circumcised penis"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nYes."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>Britcuck changing the topic, as usual"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\n>Or France?\n\nThey did when France tried to establish a continental hegemony.\n\n>Or America?\nMonroe doctrine was already established by both parties. Britain didnt mind US isolationism as long as it didnt interfere with continental affairs.\n\n>Like they tried to prevent the Soviets?\nThey werent in a position to deal with the Soviets thanks to Hitler. If it wasnt for Germany then yes its likely Britain and France would have prevented the Soviets."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n\nInteresting. Thats exactly what is being taught in North Korea as well."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>Britain didnt mind US isolationism as long as it didnt interfere with continental affairs.\nExpect when it was to bail them out of the war they started."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n\nBecause its not interesting applying the same argument in historical references that doesnt involve Germany?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nWe already know North Korea is based."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>Because its not interesting applying the same argument in historical references that doesnt involve Germany?\nThen why are you doing it?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally bad intel from German military intelligence. Which then prevented the leadership from knowing how well the USSR was doing despite territory loss."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt went exactly as planned, Hitlers masters needed him to weaken Europe in general and Britain/Germany in particular. He succeeded beyond their wildest expectations."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBloods thicker than seethe"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>15\nIreland was neutral and did things like have their government offer condolences to Germany, mostly to annoy the Brits"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">UMM SWEATY THEY DECLARED WAR FIRST frog.png"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>39\n>I don’t How do alliances work"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>2\nFPBP"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy going to war with The three strongest empires on earth at the time. Your map is deceptive, btw."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>6\n>NOOOO! You have to give Germany, a country that keeps taking a mile with every inch, another inch!\nFuck off with this nigger mentality."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>3\n>Literally get all their women raped by communists"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how did they lose?\nGDP"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>was never under 1.00\ngrim"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\n>>58\n>allying with Poles against Germans\nBritcucks! Not even once!"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey already had everything stolen in the baggins by 1939. The Nazis ran out of steam."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>23\n\"Gave\" half of Europe to the communists...seems like someone knows nothing about history.\n\nJust another german-hater thread. like the other one."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>4\nHilteler"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey never had a chance to win, to begin with. But they could never lose either except if they did nothing and didn't go to war.\n\nIt's the same with Japan."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>6\n>Using the modern British flag not the one before Ireland\n>Completely illogical it has nothing to do with ethnicity\nMonkey men are slipping"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>15\nOnly one of those were actually voted in\nBut I do think it's ironic\n>20 years slaughtering pakoid Muslims\nI bet rishi as an Indian loves that"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>chimp out\n>gets punished\n>lose territory\n>seethe\n>repeat\nGerman mentality. always the same since 1806."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>23\nThere was no alternative. Either war or becoming a slave of anglo-zionism."}, {"id": 71, "content": "fascism is inferior in every way to the immortal science of marxism. they lack theory.\n\ni'm marxist leninist and am a graduate of a prestigious liberal arts school\n\nive read lenin, stalin, marx, lukacs, hegel, debord, baudrillard, zizek, gramsci, foucault, mao, xi, kim il sung, chomsky, wolff, parenti, marcuse, adorno, horkheimer, benjamin, reich, jameson, fanon, dugin"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\ntroll post"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShit map. The Axis never controlled the Kola Peninsula, Murmansk, and all of Karelia"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nhow's the soviet union doing? oh wait, lemme guess: \"it wasn't real communism\""}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\n>dugin"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>3\n>they become legends forever like the spartans\n>be spartan\n>lose more battles than we win\n>few victories were often from trickery or violating our own religious laws and norms\n>have juicy gay sex with my comrades and let them fuck my wife\n>be very progressive on women's rights to the point where they were derided by other Greeks as being ruled by their women\n>our women where scandalously short skirts and literally fucking sing about being lesbians\n>reluctant to fight wars because our military is mostly to keep our 90% slave population from rebelling\n>our armies are also mostly made up of said slaves. One time they were performed so well we said we would turn them into Spartans and then kill us all\n>collaborate with the stupid sexy Persians when it suits us\n>Most known for a battle only inflicted completely neglible casualties to the Persians and only delayed their march for 3 days\n>only win the Peloponnesian Wars because our general Lysander is having sex with the Persian King so he gives us infinite money to buy the Athen's fleet from them\n>Completely collapse a few decades later because because all our warmaking killed so many Spartans that the helots revolt and without them we're just some shitty backwater\n>Our last king Nabis feels so bad for us he makes up a glorious history to lift our spirits\n>Flash forward 2000+ years\n>Everyone believes in Nabis' bullshit and now we're the fantasy of every Westerb teenage boy who would have been my cocksleeve helotussy back in my day"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>62\nCould be worse\nThey could’ve allied the Germans"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEconomics of war. Nazi Europe is cut off from world trade."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>Anglo-Saxons allying with Germans is worse than allying with Slavs"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nYes"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>59\nDoesn’t matter. Women aren’t people anyway. Story’s not about them."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a retard drew this map"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>58\nNot your problem."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>60\nIt doesn’t look like they had enough tourism."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey let Italy declare war on France and Britain. Smoothbrain move."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nShitalians or Hungarians would never dare to oppose Germans after blitzkrieg in Yugoslavia. Only Soviets and Americans had the industrial capacity to oppose them."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>80\n>"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>declares war on everyone\n>used horses in 1940\n>why did they lost\nJee, i dunno. How did the last major chimpout went?\nReal question should be, how even Germany could win the war?"}, {"id": 89, "content": "Your beloved nazis allied with their supposed mortal enemy Stalin to jointly invade a country that has singlehandedly shielded the entire continent from a bolshevik (german installed) invasion 19 prior, with whom Germans had a military development treaty since 1921 (Rapallo), and in that whole treaty Germans made sure all of the most virulent anti-communist nations on the planet ended up in the Soviet sphere, specifically agreed to the Soviet land grab in Romania - a supposed German ally, specifically agreed to the Soviet invasion of Finland - yet another anti-communist state.\nMakes complete sense considering Hitler's job in Munich in 1919."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">The entire British Empire was still 1.58x larger then German occupied Europe."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nTotal German Death"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>3\nCringetards always love losers like nazis and spartans"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>87\nCope, seethe, and get some new frogs while you’re at it. I’ve seen you use these one like 3 times already"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>8\nHitler was smart and went about achieving his goals in a rational way. You're right about the work ethic though. Dude was just lazy."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>62\nGermans acted like niggers and threatened the balance of power. Poles did not."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>bombed london like butthurt asshats instead of continuing to bomb their airfields, allowing the british airforce to repair its planes and airstrips\n>invaded russia, forcing itself to fight a two-front war in which it needed to somehow conquer russia which is too vast and too cold to be conquered\n>declared war on the US\ngermany wins if it doesn't do this retarded shit"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>3\nThis is why Germ*ns will continue to destroy Europe every couple hundred years. This is why Germ*ns need to be exterminated."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>93\n>Britcuck telling others to cope and seethe\n>When they gave up their empire for Slavs"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>17\n>HITLER WAS A GOOD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN!"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nHe literally did nothing to Britcucks"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically autism"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>49\nPlease stop, the britcuck is clearly retarded I don't think you need to bully him further"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Royal navy doomed them, the exact same thing happened in ww1. RN blockaded the continent preventing much needed supplies from coming and slowly starved them in to submission. The royal navy was the most important thing that shaped their plans."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf shitalians didn't job against the fuckin GREEKS of all people, Hitler would have won the war"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>97\nforce bleach down your fucking throat"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\ndelusional"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever bet against the English."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>15\n>brown men have to kneel and pledge allegiance to a white king.\noh no, the horror."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>17\nThe final layer of despair of wehraboo losers: the adherents of the Law of Nature and the inherent supremacy of one group over another reduced to jewish legalese tactics to try to redeem their self-insert NEET champion.\n>mmmmmmnnnnACKSHUALLY Britain declared war on Germany first!\nPathetic"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>16\n>>15\nDo you have no autonomy to your own actions? Hitler and Germany would put to the sword, can't you stand up your own Anglosphere?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>29\nNobody cares about whoresaw and its kikes.\n>WAAAAAAAH OH LOOK THE PURPLE POORPOLES THEIR ANTHILL GOT SET ON FIRE BY A TIME TRAVELLING EU IV PLAYER WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS\nClean it up janny."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>104\nItaly should have stayed out altogether. Smoothbrain musso ruined everything. Just LOL at getting BTFO in Libya by bruce and pajeets"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>64\nWhen forced to, England guaranteed the Baltics in the 20’s and 30’s and scared off the soviets thus saving their countries.\nMeanwhile, Hitler and the Germans signed a pact with the Soviets (tearing uo the anti-comintern pact) and threw the Baltics to the wolves, abandoned the Finns, and stabbed the Romanians in the back resulting in tens of thousands dead Europeans from that alone.\ninb4\n>noooo that doesn’t count because he also betrayed Stalin afterwards!\nYes, we know what a spiritual semite he was. Probably from the Ashkenazi DNA found in all continental Germans."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nYeah it was retarded. Caused by Mussolini being scared shitless of Hitler to tell him that Italy was NOT ready for a war at all."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>111\n>germmutts and slavshits seething at each other\ntale old as time"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>3\n>WE ARE STRONG WARRIOR NATION\n>Fight 1 war\n>lose"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>79\nthis is line of thinking is the reason Germany lost both world wars."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>104\nIf Mussolini had any sense, he would have joined the allies or at least remained neutral. He had nothing to gain from joining Hitler's doomed crusade."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nthose 200,000 French soldiers on the border with Italy would have been enough to stop the Germans dead in their tracks in the Ardennes."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBad guys always lose."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this real?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>117\n>this is line of thinking is the reason Germany lost both world wars.\nCorrect >>6"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm pretty sure if a state had full control over the red switzerland and sweden are not going to be unincluded."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo oil. Also Hitler seems to have been clueless about international politics. He was shocked that UK declared war on Germany and his grand strategy after that seems a combination of ad-hoc \"solutions\" and wishful thinking. He knew he needed to get the oil from Caucasus to even have a chance and once that failed it was game over. He basically miscalculated both Britain's entry into war and then the German leadership had a huge blunder about Soviet production and political stability. Also if they treated the soviet population better they might have a better chance of them turning against the commies. Just a lot of blunders really."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>76\nLost"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe same people funded both sides of the war. Everyone lost, they were the only ones that won."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou forgot to put in the US and russia in that pic"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFought Slavs.\nSlavs have won every war since they entered Europe.\nPeople seem to forget \"Slav\" land used to be all german."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>76\nYou forgot:\n>try to act smug with Philip II of Macedon, he completely obliterates us\n>his son Alexander didn't even bother including us in his expedition, we got uppity when he was away so another Macedonian army came down and obliterated us\n>something something fast forward to Roman times\n>become a fucking tourist attraction where we reenact our supposed glory for the amusement of the Romans\n>fall into oblivion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Explain to me how you reconcile your self-proclaimed Christianity and your sexual immorality.\n\nHow many of you claim to be Christians, and use the scriptures as a tool for attacking others - especially homosexuals and transvestites? And yet, at the same time, watch pornography, or lust for women, or long to have sex outside of marriage?\n\nLet me be clear: I am not condoning homosexuality, and neither am I condoning sexual immorality. I am asking you to examine yourselves.\n\nJesus said:\n> 13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.\nMatthew 23:13\n\n>“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.\nMatthew 7:1-2\n\nMeaning, if you judge harshly, while continually sinning yourself, you will receive your judgement back upon your own sins. Each time you condemn homosexuals with strong words, but then continue watching pornography, or getting drunk, or blaspheming, or being obscene, you will be judging yourself.\n\n>9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.\n1 Corinthians 6:9-10"}, {"id": 2, "content": "We are commanded to examine ourselves! How can you be so blind?\n\n>5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! 6 I hope you will find out that we have not failed the test. 7 But we pray to God that you may not do wrong—not that we may appear to have met the test, but that you may do what is right, though we may seem to have failed.\n2 Corinthians 13:5-7\n\nIf we are saved, then we will bear good fruit, which will be proof of God's grace. But if our faith is false, then we will not bear good fruit, and will continue to sin against God without repenting.\n>Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8\n>[...]“Now go and sin no more.”\nJohn 8:11\n>Abstain from every form of evil.\n1 Thessalonians 5"}, {"id": 3, "content": "If we continue to rebel against God, without repenting, then we are not saved. If we continue to rebel against God while heaping judgements on another, then those judgements will be returned to us."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.\n>3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.\nMatthew 7:1-5"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! 6 I hope you will find out that we have not failed the test. 7 But we pray to God that you may not do wrong—not that we may appear to have met the test, but that you may do what is right, though we may seem to have failed.\nI just wanted to say this is a really nice verse by St Paul. Amen."}, {"id": 6, "content": "You're an idiot. If I happen to be an idiot too that doesn't change the fact that you're an idiot. Another idiot may be able to see that you're an idiot despite being an idiot themselves.\nIf being an idiot is not desirable then pointing out to you that you're being an idiot should be helpful to you, unless you're such an idiot that you need to frame everything as about \"attacks\" and \"judgement\".\n\"Don't be an idiot\" is exactly the kind of \"judgement\" I want turned against me if I'm being an idiot.\nThe question is how did you and everyone become such utterly useless fucking idiots? Is it perhaps a result of this dogmatic and confused interpretation about what the Bible says about judging people?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not a Christian, I just like using the verses to remind fags how hating them is a thousand year tradition.\nNever read the bible in my life except for the homo hating parts lol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don’t “attack” others as a Christian because I like loli porn so I have no ground to stand on"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't see anyone attacking homosexuals except for a bunch of Russian and Chinese bots who want to demoralize the west."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nHomosexuality is evil like cancer and retardation but you don't beat up cancer patients for having cancer."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYou're not a Christian, you're an unrepentant sinner; you go on disobeying God without remorse and without resisting temptation. Unless you repent and believe (Mark 1:15) Jesus will tell you, \"I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoer!\" (Matthew 7:23).\n\nYou are not bearing good fruit, as evidence of your repentance.\n>Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8\n\nYou are not abstaining from evil.\n>Abstain from every form of evil.\n1 Thessalonians 5\n\nYou are willfully giving into temptations.\n>No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.\n1 Corinthians 10:13\n\nEveryone who claims to be a Christian must turn from wickedness.\n>Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”\n2 Timothy 2:19\n\n“The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the gospel!”"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>attacking homosexuals demoralizes the west\nfucking how? i can't think of anything more demoralizing than constant fag propaganda"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>You are not bearing good fruit, as evidence of your repentance\nYou aren’t either"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nIt's about making the west look like giant corrupt sexually immoral enterprise which couldn't be further from the truth."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>which couldn't be further from the truth\nyou must be shitting me"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nPlease explain."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThose who are bearing good fruit will demonstrate love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, while those who are not bearing good fruit will exhibit the opposite characteristics"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAnd which of the stated good fruits have I failed to bear?\nRemember, I'm simply citing scripture - which is the word of God - as a warning. Which is what I WISHED others would have done for me, years ago. It is through love that I speak of God's word, as a warning to those who practice lawlessness and bear bad fruit despite their confession of faith."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>And which of the stated good fruits have I failed to bear?\nHumility - the queen of the virtues"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhere have I failed to practice humility?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nWhat the fuck are you talking about retard? Did Christ patiently and gently overturn the table of the money changers?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVklinG6U54 [Embed]\n>you can't say Obama is gay and BBC Mike Obama is a tranny!\n>Drag queens diddling children at public libraries is justified if you have ever looked at women or thought about women naked!\n>The Apostle Paul isn't saved because \"If your flesh continues to rebel against God, without putting a stop to it, then you are not a saved Christian!\"\n>Out of the Closet Gays and Trannies and Drag in public office must absolutely be funded by the Son of Perdition Soros family if you continue coming here to 4chan! That's right! We put allllll this porn on the internets just so we could tell you to be silent because we know you masturbate!\n>Demons like me use fear tactics to shut down, silence, and blackmail the saints of God so you better not do anything !!!! HA HA HA!!!!-ACK"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Where have I failed to practice humility?\nBy the implication that you haven’t\n>\"Humility is the foundation of all the other virtues hence, in the soul in which this virtue does not exist there cannot be any other virtue except in mere appearance\" (St. Augustine Sermon 169.13)."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nI was asking where you thought I hadn't.\nAnyway, this discussion is useless. Listen to the word of God and turn from willful sinning."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nThese actions were not done out of selfishness or a lack of love, but rather out of a desire to uphold justice and protect the integrity of God's house. And Galatians 5:22-23 is not meant to be a checklist of individual traits, but rather a collective description of the character and lifestyle of someone who is being transformed by the Holy Spirit. It is not necessary to display all of these traits in equal measure all the time. In the case of Jesus, His overall life and ministry were marked by love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nIt's time to take the plank out of your own eye. These are not my words, but God's."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>I was asking where you thought I hadn't\nAnd I told you? It’s just something that comes across in your posting. Your asking that final question sealed it.\n>Proverbs 21:2 - \"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.\""}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>It's time to take the plank out of your own eye.\nIf that's all you got then you lose.\nYou must agree with all that shit."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>Listen to the word of God and turn from willful sinning.\nNobody willfully sinning here. Nobody sees gays getting attacked other than when they attack on the internet and get btfo."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nSo how do you know my motivation for calling you a retard isn't righteous you fucking retard?\nPeople like you are the single reason the Christian world collapsed. God is not there to comfort you. Criticizing degeneracy that destroys worlds is correct and righteous."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>15\nNope, you just took too big of a bite into the retard enchilada."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThe point is that you examine yourself (2 Corinthians 13:5-7)"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nDon't use foul language.\n\n>Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.\nEphesians 4:29"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>>Let no corrupting talk\nCalling you a fucking retard is not \"corrupting\" anything. Pretending your comfort is the supreme reason for everything is \"corrupting talk\" you fucking mindless degenerate destroyer of worlds. Everything out of your diseased mouth is corrupted."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nupvoted"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\n>So how do you know my motivation for calling you a retard isn't righteous you fucking retard?\nBecause you’re not Jesus? Vengeance belongs to the Lord. Romans 12:19"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak.\nMatthew 12:36\n>If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.\nJames 1:26"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>20\nThis is why Protestants are going to hell. God is going to say the same thing to you at the apocalypse and you will reply to him in the same way. “Where have I failed to practice humility?” The he will condemn you to hell."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nWhy do you think your manipulation of meaning to serve your selfish goals isn't corruption?\nWhy do you think calling you a fucking retard (saying the truth) is \"corruption\"? What do you base any of your retarded shit on? Retarded literally illiterate Americans, that's who. You don't know shit about anything. You already destroyed the fucking world and then have the lack of awareness to accuse anyone of \"corruption\". Fuck you. You have nothing to do with Christ. You're pure evil."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nThe only way to salvation is the blood of Jesus."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>8\n>because I like loli porn\nNo, I don't like loli porn. Big balls in cow town.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQXlVT0mmkI [Embed]\nIf you don't want to be a big man then you are worse than a reprobate, you are trying to get into loli porn. At least fantasize about big dicks and a woman with cow hips that can match it you fag."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>Retarded literally illiterate Americans, that's who.\nWhat?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nPoint?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nEverything said about Christianity post 1950 comes from braindead Americans. The Pope now tries to follow American trends. If you're unaware of all this it's just more confirmation how retarded and corrupted you are."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nChristianity isn't about being anti catholics."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>Christianity isn't about being anti catholics.\nThis."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nPoint is you can be a protestant or you can be a catholic and you can still be saved."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nAgain, what the fuck are you talking about retard? How does this relate in any way to what I said? You're too dumb to communicate on any level. You're illiterate, but why? What the fuck happened to all you retards? It wasn't like this before American global hegemony, retards at least knew they were retards."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>11\n>you’re an unrepentant evil sinner who will burn in hell you faggot tranny kike!!1\nGee I wonder why they don’t want to follow your religious doctrine and repent."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nScripture says that final judgment is according to our works, not our faith. To the extent that Catholics do holier works, you aren’t correct. However, to the extent that Protestants are able to match the holiness of Catholic works, you are right. This is just what scripture teaches."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nIs this how you persuade people to accept your argument? You sound like 12 year old."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nI want to follow what he says, but not what he does. Because he repeats the words of the Bible constantly, but if I were to emulate him I’d be in trouble."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\n>final judgement\nJesus will judge christian differently than the rest of the world:\n\n[Rom 2:16 KJV] 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nTrue. Another reason why this tripfag is in greater danger, as he should know better, he has possession of God’s Word and yet is highly unprofitable to the kingdom."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nWhat is there to say to someone who doesn't understand a word of anything said about any subject? You can't read the Bible or simple posts so what do you expect me to say? You will never be \"persuaded\" about anything without dishonest American style PR tactics. Fuck you and fuck everything in your diseased fucking mind."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>49\n>Gee I wonder why they don’t want to\nFuck you burger tranny. What you \"want\" is not relevant to what is true. The way you think is diseased in the technical sense, it's a severe illness that will lead to the death of the organism with no descendants."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.\nMatthew 5:28"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>stop arguing\n>i'm not here to persuade anyone\nyep you are underage"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nYou're not persuaded by arguments. Your criticism is not of any logical structure but of the way it's presented. You're completely saturated with American PR culture where what's said doesn't matter at all, only how you say it. You're so fucked in the head you think \"you're not coddling me enough and treating me like a child princess like all my favourite media brands do\" is some kind of point.\nThe way you think is diseased, it will only lead to death and decay."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nI'm still not persuaded. All you are doing is yelling into the wind."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\n>>What is true\nOh you mean a glorified collection of hearsay from 2000 years ago? Yeah no, that isn't true, that's bullshit."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree homos and other fags are oppressed far too much. Many, many other things should be targeted morally (such as not caring for the poor) and honestly I think its deflection from immoral straightoids. Not that its good or should be at all encouraged, Just that its been historically overblown\nAnd thats not just because of my porn problem"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nThe problem is that you can't give these freaks an inch without them taking a mile, just look at the mess that is progressive christianity, we have to keep the pressure, I mean for crying out loud, we're fighting tooth and nail against the advancement of LGBT and they're still winning."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\n>I'm still not persuaded.\nYou don't understand anything I wrote. That wouldn't change no matter how much I jerk you off.\nHow does thinking work? How do you find out what's true? Your implied premise is that whoever sells you something with the best emotional appeals is the one you should listen to. It doesn't even occur to you to actually think. It's completely alien to you."}, {"id": 65, "content": "The spirit indeed is willing but the flesh is weak...."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>11\n>you go on disobeying God without remorse and without resisting temptation\nBrother I fight every sin and mourn every sin. It doesn't mean I win... we are sinners, every moment is a constant war against the self till the Lord calls us to His side."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nThanks man"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nErgo, you are repenting and not wilfully sinning. But if you continued to watch porn, for example, you’d be lying."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nI try not to."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nMy catechist taught us to “repent even while sinning”."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nWell that’s great. Remember that God never gives you a temptation that you can’t resist (1 Corinthians 10:13)\nRead the scripture and pray continually that you will be freed from your lust. I’ve prayed for you"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nThank you brother, I'll pray for you too. But we must also remember that sinless perfection is impossible in this life, and if we be sinners and sin boldly we should pray and believe in Christ all the more boldly."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nThat would be called “wilfully sinning”. If you are filled with the Spirit, you will fling sins away like hot coals once you realise they’re there"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nStop making excuses. I’m not saying that to put you down. There is no excuse to sin - that’s Satan lying to you"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nWhat excuse did I make?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nWhat’s the difference between sinning and “wilfully sinning”? Are you arguing from the Bible?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nNothing, you speak facts. If we say we are without sin, the truth is not in us."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nWhat benefit does it add to say that no one will be able to attain perfection? God told us to obey him, so we say “ok, but…”"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\n>26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.\nHebrews 10:26-27"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nIt turns us from hubris and towards Christ"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nThat is directly in the context of apostasy.\n>Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nNo, it's an excuse you're making because you masturbate to porn and you don't fear God enough to stop it."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nYes, you commit apostasy by continuing to willfully sin. \"Bear fruit in keeping with repentance\" Matthew 3:8"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>63\nthats the thing isnt it. it feels like its all or nothing"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nAre you a sinner? I hope you are. If you are not a sinner you have no part in Christ's kingdom. He came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Only sinners will survive the last judgement, those who think themselves to be righteous will be thrown into the fire. I am a sinner, and I have no right to stand before God except for the sacrifice of Christ."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nWe all sin.\n\n>8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.\n1 John 1:8-10\n\nHowever, too many people use that as an excuse to continue rebelling against their Father. There is NO EXCUSE!\n\n>No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.\n>Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8\n>[...]“Now go and sin no more.”\nJohn 8:11\n1 Corinthians 10:13\n>Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”\n2 Timothy 2:19\n>Abstain from every form of evil.\n1 Thessalonians 5"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>There is NO EXCUSE!\nAmen."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>However, too many people use that as an excuse to continue rebelling against their Father. There is NO EXCUSE!\nNo, unless someone told you that there is sin, then there is no sin.\nYou're like the one-eyed guy in Dragon's Dogma game. God pokes the false shepherd's eye out because he hates his sheep.\nKill yourself retard, you aren't my shepherd. You serve the dragon which is mad porn on the internet exists so freely for everyone.\nYou should be even more livid with Satan but you clearly joining with him."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nI don't understand you"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>64\n>You don't understand anything I wrote\nWhy would I read anything you wrote?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nHave a big bowl of beans and onions soup, dude.\nI dare the fucking government to complain about clicking on anal webms or visiting pornhub and relenting about being mean to gays.\nInternet traffic doesn't meet the eyes and ears of young children, but gays in the white house does. We're going to chop YOUR heads off, not the other way around. There is no sin, but if you accusing america as sinning, then we about to end this government, sure. Starting with you eyes."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>watch pornography, or lust for women\nNeither of these things are condemned by the Bible. Jesus only says you cannot lust after a woman if you are married or she is married. Otherwise it is adultery of the heart. He didn't say fornication of the heart. He wasn't talking about single people lusting after each other.\n\n>long to have sex outside of marriage?\n\nA Christian doesn't have this problem. What are you talking about? You seem to be suggesting that people that claim to be Christian are not actually Christian. This is true in many cases. That is not an indictment of Christianity. Just an indictment of liars."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>86\n>we all sin\n>but there is no excuse to keep sinning, you don’t fear God enough if you do\n>but I sin still\n>but I’m going to Heaven\nSchizophrenic"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nLots of Christians these days are confused because of non-Christian concepts like original sin and Calvinism. Jesus commands us to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect. We are also told that everyone has sinned. But that is past a tense. We are then told to go and sin no more.\n\nSo, generally, a Christian has stopped sinning. However there are particular situations where that is not the case and one is still a Christian. But they are rare situations like a drug addict who wants nothing more than to stop stealing for money to continue his drug habit. But every time the urge comes around, engages in the same sin. And afterwards he is truly repentant. It's all about where ones heart truly is.\n\nBut if one is sinning everyday, it generally illustrates that their heart is not in the right place. And that they are not truly repented over that sin. And that person's not a Christian. Unfortunately most Christians have this problem these days. And their theologies sound very confusing because they are very confused.\n\nTheir theologies rely on the lie that Jesus's burden is cumbersome. They make up sin where there is no sin so they can just say that it's impossible to stop sinning. You will notice these people call things sinful that are not sinful at all in the Bible. But Jesus's burden this light and is yolk is easy."}, {"id": 95, "content": "https://youtu.be/iGPaqmR9U00?t=39 [Embed]\nBy the way, The Elysion had a good voice actor, but he was a terrible pick for the false shepherd."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>>94\n>Lots of Christians these days are confused\nPic related"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>94\n>Lots of Christians these days are confused because of non-Christian concepts like original sin and Calvinism.\nWhat you're saying is heresy, although I believe that it's through lack of understanding rather than on purpose. Original sin is an absolute Biblical concept, and this is not open to debate. The Bible is absolutely clear that we cannot do good work ourselves, and that we are - by nature - absolutely corrupt.\n\nOn the other hand, I agree with your message regarding true repentance, which is in line with what the Bible teaches."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>93\nThere's a difference between deliberate - or, willful, or unrepentant - sinning, and sudden flashes of sin that are immediately repented. There's a difference between being angry with someone and then calming yourself down, and plotting and murdering someone after they've wronged you."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>unknown\n>>98\n>26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.\nHebrews 10:26-27"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\n>Original sin is an absolute Biblical concept,\nNot as far as being born with guilt of sin. The Bible tells us that the son does not inherit the guilt of the father. Inheriting death, or even punishment is not inheritating guilt. That's more like a fleshly disease that's passed down. Babies are born sinless. Jesus tells us that we must become more like them to see the kingdom of heaven."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\nAnon I…\n> “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.\nMatthew 5:21-22"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>23\n>implications\n>implying\nFucking lol"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\nI guess St Peter is in hell then"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>100\n>12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—\nRomans 5:12\n[...]\n>18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.\nRomans 5:18-19"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>101\nThat was what the post was referring to..."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nPlease explain. Remember that you replied to a verse from the word of God."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>104\nWell, Paul is talking about our condemnation to death. That's not guilt of sin though. We are condemned to death because of Adam's sin. And that is passed down like a fleshly disease. This condemnation is lifted by Christ as we can inherit eternal life through him. Our bondage to death is thus nullified.\n\nBut just because all men are condemned to death, because of this fleshly disease inherited through Adam's action as a ramification, it does not mean we are condemned to the second death because of Adam's sin. That would require guilt of sin. The confusion here is because there are two deaths the Bible talks about at given times. The first and the second death."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nChrist is literally saying there is NOT a difference between being angry with someone and then calming yourself down, and plotting and murdering someone after they've wronged you."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\n>Remember that you replied to a verse from the word of God\nI was objecting to your intent and abuse of it the Bible to mean that anyone who sins after being saved is eternally damned. This would entail both Peter and Paul being in hell because they both sinned after being given the full understanding of the truth."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nUh oh…"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>107\nYou are 100% correct and just espousing the Eastern Orthodox view of ancestral sin, which is differentiated from western/Augustinian original sin guilt."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nWell that's interesting if the orthodox view it that way. I might have to look into them a little more."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n> In the Orthodox Faith, the term “original sin” refers to the “first” sin of Adam and Eve. As a result of this sin, humanity bears the “consequences” of sin, the chief of which is death. Here the word “original” may be seen as synonymous with “first.” Hence, the “original sin” refers to the “first sin” in much the same way as “original chair” refers to the “first chair.”\n> In the West, humanity likewise bears the “consequences” of the “original sin” of Adam and Eve. However, the West also understands that humanity is likewise “guilty” of the sin of Adam and Eve. The term “Original Sin” here refers to the condition into which humanity is born, a condition in which guilt as well as consequence is involved.\n> In the Orthodox Christian understanding, while humanity does bear the consequences of the original, or first, sin, humanity does not bear the personal guilt associated with this sin. Adam and Eve are guilty of their willful action; we bear the consequences, chief of which is death.\nhttps://www.oca.org/questions/teaching/st.-augustine-original-sin"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>107\nOriginal sin is not the same as sin. Sin emanates from original sin, and this is what condemns us.\nAdam's disobedience of God led to humans being born innately sinful - original sin - and thus we cannot behave in a manner that is pleasing to God, through our own power. It is only through the gift of grace.\n\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\netc.\n\nThe first death is the death we will all face, which is the wages of sin (Romans 6:23) and the second is eternal death, which is what everyone deserves for their sin.\n\n>Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.\nRevelations 20:6\n\nAnd then there's also the concept of death that we are born into. \"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins\" (Ephesians 2:1) etc.\n\nAs a matter of curiosity, what teachers do you look to for theology? I'm assuming Orthodoxy because Catholics and Reformed hold to original sin."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\nI never knew this, that's very interesting. It sounds like the Orthodox nailed this. I generally have learned from the writings of the first through third century church fathers. Glad to hear the orthodox still uphold this understanding."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>90\nTo understand different perspectives. Why do you read anything? A person capable of reason will outcompete deranged people like you in every field, physical and mental."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>109\nWell then you've misunderstood me, obviously.\n\n>>108\nJesus says to judge them by their fruits. So would you judge someone who you saw angry once, the same as someone who has murdered 10 people after plotting to do so for a decade?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>111\n>>112\n>>115\nIt's false/non-Biblical teaching."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nThe Augustinian conception of original sin is based on the Catholic mistranslation of Romans 5:12, in the Latin vulgate. The only reason you believe it is because your Protestant heritage is Catholic."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n>would you judge someone who you saw angry once, the same as someone who has murdered 10 people after plotting to do so for a decade?\nWhoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. (James 2:10)"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\nWell, it's in line with what you'd see in the ante-nicene writings. It's good to learn from the disciples of the apostles on issues that are not as clear because of translation, etc. This is something that they would say as well."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>115\n>Glad to hear the orthodox still uphold this understanding.\nThe Orthodox tend to hold to the fathers."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\nCorrect, that is why we're not made righteous by the law...\n\n>Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.\nGalatians 2:16\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\nBut the whole point is that Jesus continually talked of bearing fruit, and Paul talks about continuing to sin being a sign of apostasy, telling people to stop sinning etc etc etc\nIf I claimed to be saved, but gave no evidence of being saved, then you would rightly say that I'm a liar. This is supported by scripture and is the main point of this thread."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>122\nLet me ask you a question. If somebody was baptized as a Catholic as an infant, would that qualify as a proper baptism from the Orthodox perspective?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nI honestly couldn't care less about what the Catholic or Orthodox church has to say about that. Show me the verse from the word of God and then I'll pay heed to it."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\nWell it's more a question of my own curiosity on their procedure."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>124\nYes but I believe you may still have to be received via chrismation."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\nAlso, the fact remains that not everything Jesus did and said was put down in the Bible. The Bible attests to the spirit so it is important to listen to the word of mouth passed down teachings as well. In fact, this was Jesus's commanded way to spread the word."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>98\n> There's a difference between deliberate - or, willful, or unrepentant - sinning, and sudden flashes of sin that are immediately repented. There's a difference between being angry with someone and then calming yourself down, and plotting and murdering someone after they've wronged you.\nYes it’s called accidents versus pride.\nWhich one is called accidents and which one is called pride?\nI’m going to let you pick.\n>internet traffic you don’t want anyone to have seen or to get onto you for\n>holding actual pride gay parades and placing public figures in office and forcing everyone to wear masks and get vaccines for a Gay virus (it’s an aids cell that somehow got inside of a yeast cell called Coronavirus).\n?\nGod allows computers and tv with porn on it, only Satan accuses saints for having seen it when it exists 24/7 of single unmarried Christians.\nWhen I was only 13-14 I saw breasts on tv one night and the next day the school failed me at art class because kids in the class were talking about how they also saw porn on tv leaking through the channels. Aka somehow they are in a cult that is insiders somehow with the government, or they are somehow in tune with spiritual darkness and satanic forces that somehow know what everyone’s tv is doing that night. Are you accusing me of having wanted to look at that? I was too young and innocent to have wanted to look at that.\nIf the devil corrupts children and children don’t want to be corrupted that doesn’t make them unsaved if they have certain habits. They are still virgins btw."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>128\nAh, so apparently listening to the words of men counts as \"listening to the Spirit\". Total nonsense. If you want to listen to the Spirit, then read the Bible out loud."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nThat was actually just an error of Google's voice dictation. My apologies. I meant to say the Bible attests to this. That not everything Jesus said and did is written in the Bible."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nThe apostles were men."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\n>That not everything Jesus said and did is written in the Bible.\nIsn't this obvious...? The whole point is that the Bible is the word of God, and that everything that we need for eternal life is found in its pages."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>The whole point is that the Bible is the word of God\nJesus is also the Word of God so I guess the Word of God is not contained in the Bible?\n>everything that we need for eternal life is found in its pages\nProof? Don’t cite 2 Tim 3:16-17 because “useful” is not the same as “sufficient”."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\nDenying that the word of God doesn't contain all information required for eternal life would be bordering on heresy."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\nWell, I think really all we need is the Sermon on the Mount. But I don't think a Christian should be satiated with the bare minimum of righteousness. Jesus said many other things beyond the sermon on the Mount. And many other things than are written in the Bible. His preferred mode of spreading the word was word of mouth. Why do you ignore that part of what Jesus said? He told his disciples to go into the highways and byways and spread the word in the streets, preaching. Not to write it down and spread texts of what they remember. Perhaps Jesus understood spreading the word is better through question and answer. But we do know that he never commanded anybody to write these things down. And that whatever these people wrote down would be the sole source of the word. That's all inserted."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\n>Well, I think really all we need is the Sermon on the Mount.\nAbsolutely incorrect, I'm sorry to say. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross is central to the Christian faith and is not explicitly mentioned or explained during the Sermon on the Mount."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>135\n>Denying that the word of God doesn't contain all information required for eternal life would be bordering on heresy.\nWhy? Proof?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>134\n>Don’t cite 2 Tim 3:16-17 because “useful” is not the same as “sufficient”.\n2 Timothy 3:16-17 says sufficient"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\nEh, the crucifixion could be seen as a corollary of the moral teaching of the Sermon on the Mount."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\nYou're not saved"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>139\nI think you may be using a false translation."}, {"id": 143, "content": "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.\nRomans 6:23\n\nFor God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.\nJohn 3:16\n\nWe know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.\nRomans 6:6\n\nJesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.\nJohn 14:6\n\n“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the gospel!”\nMark 1:15\n\nVery truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.\nJohn 6:47"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>7\nmost faithful christian"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>137\nWell it's not stated, but our instructions are given in the sermon on the mount. If you abide to his teachings there, then they will likely attain salvation. You are suggesting that knowledge of the entire Bible is necessary for salvation. In fact the first Christians didn't have the entire Bible. This does not mean they were condemned. That's the only point I'm making."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\nNo, we're not saved through \"our instructions that were given in the sermon on the mount\". Please, this is important that you understand this. We are saved because Jesus took our sins upon him on the cross; THIS IS WHAT SAVES, not our works. We cannot enter heaven by adhering to moral principles; that is at the CENTRE of Jesus' message.\n\n>“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the gospel!”\nMark 1:15\n\n>25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:25-26\n\nIt is faith (in Jesus' sacrifice, as an atonement for our sins) that makes us righteous, not work. And we must then repent, and leave our sins behind.\n\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n>This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe [...]\nRomans 3:22"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>146\nJesus was asked how you can know that you know him. He said if you keep his commandments. That's how we know Jesus. How can you say you have faith in Jesus, and not do as he commands? It would be like being lost in the rainforest, and coming upon somebody claiming to be a navigator. Can you truly say you had faith in him if you didn't follow his instructions out of the rainforest but did your own thing?"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>141\n>You're not saved\nI’m not the one adding words to scripture. Where does scripture say declare its own sufficiency?"}, {"id": 149, "content": "*say or declare"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>147\nYes, of course... That's not the point though. Buddhists, atheists, deists etc. could claim to \"follow Jesus' moral teachings\" but that won't grant them eternal life. The cross is takes the absolute centre of Jesus' life and the most important moment in all of history. If you deny this, then you can't claim to know or follow Jesus."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristians are only to judge other Christians\n\n1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders?\n\nThere's also a difference between judging someone and saying what they're doing is sin. So yes Christians should not be running around shaming outsiders in judgment, but saying what they're doing is wrong and against God (warning them of sin) is the right thing to do"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>150\n>Buddhists, atheists, deists etc. could claim to \"follow Jesus' moral teachings\"\nCould they? Why? The Sermon on the Mount is radically unique to Jesus. It’s the new Torah, the new law. It’s a strange claim to say that everyone in the world is following such a radical and unique teaching"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\n>Buddhists, atheists, deists etc. could claim to \"follow Jesus' moral teachings\" but that won't grant them eternal life.\nThe Bible tells us that the man who thirsts for righteousness will be filled. Also God's laws are written on every man's heart. If the Buddhist is following these laws, he will be led to greater righteousness and understanding. He will be given the information that he needs to know one way or another. That does not necessarily have to be through the Bible. Even an angelic visit if necessary."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\nYes. Paul also tells us that informing others of the law can make them aware of their sins.\n\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n>Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.\n2 Corinthians 7:10\n\nThis is not \"judging others\", but is spreading awareness of God's commands, so that it might cause the unsaved to realise their sins and understand their need for a saviour."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\nPlenty of non-Christians have been strongly influenced by Jesus' moral teachings. Some might even follow them closer than Christians - but because they are not in the faith, their good deeds are not righteous in the eyes of God.\n\nAgain, Romans 3:20 is relevant:\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n\n>>153\nThat's not really how it works, unfortunately."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\nForgive me for thinking that Christians are actually those who follow Jesus’ moral teachings, very radical idea I know"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nWelcome I can assure you that only having head knowledge that Jesus is Christ is only a faith equal to that of demons. Faith is much more than just such head knowledge. While salvation is 100% up to God's gracious forgiveness. It is an obedient love/faith relationship that is commanded of us."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nYou should be Orthodox bro"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nI may just schedule a meeting with my local priest. I didn't know they had a belief system that reflected the original church so well. Maybe they actually are it."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nGlory to God"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nGlory to God, Amen"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>156\nWhy would I forgive you for that? When did I disagree that you should follow Jesus' moral teachings? Because I never did.\n\nThe point is that you won't enter heaven by following the teachings. Instead, you must have faith and repent."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>159\nYou should follow the Scriptures, not your heart.\n\nThe heart is deceitful above all things\nand beyond cure.\nWho can understand it?\nJeremiah 17:9"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\nYou get to Heaven by following Jesus’ moral teachings. Christianity is very clear on this"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nYou should follow the apostles and their appointed descendants"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>163\nYou hit on why we cannot follow our hearts alone. And why we need proper guidance. This is also why it's a bad idea to try and interpret the Bible on your own. God's laws are written on our hearts, so we can thirst for righteousness -- I believe this comes in the form of our conscience. But our hearts can also deceive us. Which is why we require guidance as well.\n\nBut the man who thirsts for righteousness will be filled. This is directly from the Bible."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>164\nChristianity is ABSOLUTELY NOT centered around that teaching. In fact, it's quite the opposite.\n\n>5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.\nRomans 11:5-6\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n>Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.\nGalatians 2:16\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5\n\nWe CANNOT make ourselves righteous through works, but only become righteous through the blood of Jesus.\n\n>25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.\nRomans 3:25-26"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>166\nI agree. Everyone should find good teachers/scholars - ones that allow the text to speak to them, rather than trying to speak to the text."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>168\nWhile salvation is a free gift of grace, the Bible also teaches that believers will be judged according to their works, in other words the extent to which they were obedient to Christ"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>168\n>We CANNOT make ourselves righteous through works, but only become righteous through the blood of Jesus.\nThis is a consistent straw man because nobody is suggesting that you can earn salvation through works. Your works are a prerequisite. We must always be making choices. To even not make a choice is a work. And if we choose the route of iniquity, Jesus tells us what happens. It doesn't matter if we had head knowledge of him being the Christ. He will tell us to depart from him, that he never knew us. Ye, workers of iniquity -- not, Ye, who trusted in his works too much, or Ye, who didn't have enough faith. Ye, who worked lawlessness.\n\nBe careful."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>170\nThat would be correct"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>171\nYou be careful, because your words are contrary to the Scriptures. WORKS ARE NOT A PREREQUISITE. Actually read these verses, instead of skimming over them.\n\n>5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.\nRomans 11:5-6\n>For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.\nRomans 3:28\n>Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.\nRomans 3:20\n>Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.\nGalatians 2:16\n>8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.\nEphesians 2:8-9\n>Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,\n2 Timothy 1:9\n>He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,\nTitus 3:5"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>173\n>your words are contrary to the Scriptures\nWhat did anon say that was contrary to the scriptures?"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>173\nThese are all in regard to the idea that we can earn our salvation through our works. We cannot. Salvation is purely through God's gracious forgiveness. But if we are working iniquity, we reap condemnation.\n\nSince you must make choices, The absence of working iniquity means that you are making good choices instead\nThese choices do not earn your salvation. But it is what your life is like if your faith is greater than a demon's."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\nThat works were a prerequisite...\n\n>>175\n>These are all in regard to the idea that we can earn our salvation through our works.\nNo, they're also in regard to works being a prerequisite for faith."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>173\nWorks mattering is not the same as earning believing you can earn it or that it’s not by grace, works mattering is just that, works mattering"}, {"id": 178, "content": "Remember that you will be have to give an account for every idle word (Matthew 12:36); so, in that light, don't make bold statements while having a limited view of the Scriptures or theology."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>176\n>That works were a prerequisite...\nThe way I understood what he meant is that good works are a prerequisite for a good judgment, not for salvation. Again, scripture says we are saved according to our faith and according to grace, but that we will be judged according to our works. No debate there"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>177\nThat's exactly it"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>179\nNo, that's not what he meant, and that's not what he said. And you are correct that there is no debate, because I am stating scripture, and that can't be debated (which is why the third fellow isn't going to post any scripture of his own, because he's speaking in ignorance, which is what leads people - including himself - astray)."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>177\nWell, of course works matter..."}, {"id": 183, "content": "There is a relevant difference between a man struggling with a kind of sin and another man rejoicing in it.\nThere's also a difference between natural temptations and unnatural indulgences, given Romans 1 says to be given over to depravity is a precondition for homosexuality acts"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>181\nThat’s what he said he meant. Btw, you admitted that scripture can be debated when you talked about the quality of teachers and differing abilities to allow the text to speak"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>183\n>There is a relevant difference between a man struggling with a kind of sin and another man rejoicing in it.\nThis is absolutely true too. It is all about what is on our heart. This is why we can sin a thousand times a day, and be forgiven if we are repentant. The problem is, it's only a very unique situation where someone is truly repentant a thousand times in a day. Just sinning willy nilly and not having a care in the world about it; just saying sorry in some weekly meaningless statement. That person is working iniquity and on a very dangerous road.\n\nWhile our good works do not earn a salvation, our works of iniquity can earn us condemnation. It doesn't matter if we have the head knowledge that Jesus is the Christ or not. He will tell us to depart from him, that he never knew him. Ye that work iniquity. Not, ye who trusted in his works. Or ye who didn't have enough faith.\n\nAnd if we are not working iniquity, then all that is left are good works."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>184\nThat's debating interpretation of the scriptures."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>185\nI agree with you apart from:\n>our works of iniquity can earn us condemnation\nYou won't \"earn condemnation\" in that case, you'll be displaying that you were never saved in the first place.\n\n>I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.\nJohn 10:28"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>185\nI’m really convinced that Protestantism succeeded in turning Christianity from a heart-religion into a head-religion. Catholicism started the trend, but Protestantism finished it"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>188\nThe heart is deceitful above all things\nand beyond cure.\nWho can understand it?\nJeremiah 17:9"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>187\nEven though such a man was not ever regenerate it remains true that his works earn his condemnation\nThe wages of sin is death\n\n>>188\nWait til this guy hears about the great awakenings"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>186\nWhat does it benefit you to have your scriptures exactly correct while your interpretations are off base?"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>187\n>You won't \"earn condemnation\" in that case, you'll be displaying that you were never saved in the first place.\nI think this is a place where most denominations come to meet. This is just said in different ways. But yes, I agree with you. This is what it comes down to."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>190\n>Wait til this guy hears about the great awakenings\nI watched all of Ryan Reeves’ videos on them about five years ago"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>193\nThen you see protestant experientialism"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>188\nYou could be right on many levels there. Though I have noticed there our places where we all think we disagree but actually are saying the same thing in different ways. But Calvinism, in particular, really implanted a bad seed. I find Calvinism more dangerous than direct Satanism."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>195\nExplain the modern missions movement if Calvinism is godless"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>194\nIt’s natural that Protestants would eventually try to restore the heart-void left by reformed theology, but I’m not sure that radical esotericism is the answer"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>196\n>Explain Mormon good works if you’re saying they’re godless"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>198\nThat analogy only works if you deny the Christian character of the gospel propagated by the missions movement\n\n>>197\nI thought you watched the lectures"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>190\nDoes it not muddy the waters a little to use the term \"work\" to mean sin? If that's what you're meaning by \"it remains true that his works earn his condemnation\". Wouldn't it be clearer to say that his \"rebellion\", for example, earned his condemnation?\nI'm asking as a genuine question because you seem theologically grounded."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>195\n>I find Calvinism more dangerous than direct Satanism.\nYou have a complete and utter misunderstanding of Calvinism."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>199\n>That analogy only works if you deny the Christian character of the gospel propagated by the missions movement\nTry this (talking to Christ)\n“Explain my good works if you’re saying I’m godless”\n>I thought you watched the lectures\nI (incorrectly) use the word esotericism to mean subjectivism"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>200\nEphesians 5:11 talks about works of unrighteousness\nA work should be seen as just a thing you do, good or bad, in the new testament"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>201\nI generally hear that from Calvinists. I've found over the years that Calvinists don't want to face the ramifications of their ideology. And when faced with them, they relegate it to the opponent not understanding what Calvinism is. James White loves to do this. When faced with the ramifications of his own submissions, he'll simply just say that the opponent doesn't understand Calvinism."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>202\nI don't know why you're making awkward analogies instead of just evaluating the fruit of Calvinism, which from the POV of any denomination should be viewed as a positive. Calvinists obeyed the great commission in ways and to people groups that had not yet been reached by other communions. Is that a sin to you? If we don't agree with your soteriology or perform your preferred liturgy we shouldn't preach the gospel at all?\n\nWhat's your evaluation of the taize community, as a different example? Worse than Satan?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>204\nBuddhists love falling back on this too"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>203\nAh, thank you."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>205\nI believe are to look for the good in all. Taize for example has beautiful music. Calvinists are notoriously zealous evangelizers. But if it doesn’t have God’s blessing, it’s a whole lot of teaching about a false spirit. That could be a net negative for the world, turning people off of God under false pretences, who knows? So-called gospel hardening. I’m not fit to judge these things. I just see it as a false teaching based on a false teaching (Catholicism)"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>208\n>I'm not fit to judge\nSo why did you offer a judgment? Lol"}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>209\nMy intent was only to critique the obviously weak reasoning of “Explain <good works> if Calvinism is godless”. I think Calvinism is wrong, but asking the net impact of getting more Bibles out into the world, for example, is a complex question that only God can answer. Or ChatGPT in 1.7 years"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>210\nI'll assume someone else called it worse than satanism then\n\nThe logic is expressly biblical though, John 13:35"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>208\n>>210\nYou should honestly give this series a go. Starting with total depravity, and ending with perseverance of the saints. It's informative and quite easy to understand.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUpyxnqAow&list=PL30acyfm60fXICLFyvTlD36Bh-ypGcrXe&index=7 [Embed]"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>211\nDefinitely wasn’t me. And I don’t think John 13:35 proves the godliness of Calvinism any more than it proves the godliness of Jehovah’s Witnesses"}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>212\nGod rest Rev. Sproul's soul..."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>212\nOk I will. For your part you may see how this sits with you (it’s shorter)\nhttps://youtu.be/fMEz63hUSW4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>213\nI use a trip only so anyone can know which posts are by the same person in a given thread to avoid this kind of confusion\n\nAgain the issue comes down to the content of the gospel message shared by each group. Mormons and JWs lead to damnation."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>215\nIf Christ has but one church in any sense why do John and Paul write to a plurality of discrete churches?"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>216\nIdk about the “gospel message”. In a literal sense it comes down to the spirit animating each of these movements. Without God on your side, someone can LARP His doctrine almost perfectly, and still be satanic. You realize that right? Not condemning anyone here, just speaking theory"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>217\nDo you not understand basic Orthodox ecclesiology? I’m not trying to insult you, I’m just surprised. There is a set of autocephalous churches. The ones today are the modern descendants of missionary efforts that came out of the ancient “churches”. But they are all in communion, each co-agreeing that the others share the same faith and practice. Thus, out of many, there is one (holy/catholic/apostolic), similar to the American concept of e pluribus unum. Each individual parish is also viewed as an icon of the entire macro church"}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>215\nWithin 30 seconds, I'm already unhappy. \"The rising smoke carries her prayer high into the heavens\". Yes, it's a \"figure of speech\" (I'm hoping!), but we will be judged by every idle word, and making non-Biblical statements relating to theological matters is a worrying sign.\n\nAnd the idea that Orthodox church is the \"only true faith\" is absolutely disgusting and anti-Biblical.\n\nThe more I see and hear, the more errors I see and hear. But I'll watch it all."}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>220\nPsalm 141:2 - \"May my prayer be set before you like incense; may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.\""}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>219\nI do. Just addressing a claim made by the title\nThis doc doesn't really contain any arguments or theology, just an overview of church history from an EO perspective. Seems fine for what it is."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSays in the Bible, he who is alone follows his own lusts. Simply. Bible hates sexual IMmorallity. Probably rape, and all that. Immorality meaning wrongdoing. right? aint doing much wrong sitting alone jackin it or what does it mean"}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>222\nThat’s true. I like the takedown of Catholicism"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>223\n>aint doing much wrong sitting alone jackin it or what does it mean\nYou're absolutely wrong."}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>225\nExplain that one"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>215\nThere's nothing of value here."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>227\nYou are right. I mostly had it in mind for other anon. If you want something weightier, you need to go to Hopko.\nhttps://youtu.be/fz6DK7IRh0A [Embed]\n\nAt the start of the second video. I like the guy, he is smart. “The assumption of systematic theology is this, that the Bible is coherent. That though God reveals many things to us, that all of his truth is unified in his own person and character.”\n\nAs mentioned earlier, neither of us believe that everyone has the same ability to allow the Bible to speak. This undermines all “biblical faith”. How can I understand it, unless someone guides me? (Acts 8:31) And he seems like a good guy, but how do I know that Sproul is getting the Bible to speak the same thing as the apostles? There is no anchor.\n\nI’ll keep watching"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>226\nHe can’t. He himself is a sinner. And the only person who doesn’t sin is God. Everyone is held to the same (impossible) standard as God, and your works good or bad would all be thrown into hell with you anyway. The only thing God accepts is admission of sin in silent prayer not heard to anyone else but God in your bed at night. Everyone is supposed to try to live according to God’s Word, but you forgive everything else. Some sins have consequences that you have to live with until God can actually cure those. Anyone who says otherwise has unrealistic dreams of being a Protoss on an alien home world called Auire where they think everyone lives perfectly without the sins of the flesh , an entirely unbiblical and insane fantasy that the Protoss ape priest Satan’s should be locked in an insane asylum or at the very least thrown into their own monastery commune with a hired government agent to check on them every once in a while and see if they actually live by their chaste rule set , which they never do. Nuns and monks and priests are all pedophiles and rapists and sex addicts when they are elitist about it. Only normal ppl aren’t crazy.\nIf your body is prone to accidents then it is not your fault, but if you intentionally masturbate then you are hurting yourself and your relationship with God. Though I think no one does this unless it some liberal internet place where they want to be edgy anarchists that worship chaos and just do everything the Bible says not to to be contrarian. The Protoss eventually had trouble with the Zerg. And StarCraft was always about humanity never the other two aliens. It allowed people to play as them but always returns to humanity. These days the liberals on the internet are willing to say insane shocking things like that they liked it better when the Zerg turned Sarah Kerrigan into a Zerg alien. I’m sure they would want to just make entire videogames about only the Protoss or the Zerg and never return to white humans."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>223\n>aint doing much wrong sitting alone jackin it\nThe Bible doesn't condemn masturbation."}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>230\nThe Bible condemns nearly everything. There isn’t something you can do that will get you to heaven but accept Jesus. And Jesus said you could try to compete with him if you must and go die on your own cross in the land of the Jew."}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>227\nVideo 2\n>Reformed theology is catholic\nThis is a false statement. He is abusing the word “catholic” to mean “truths that are embraced and confessed by Christians of all stripes, denominations and traditions” like some sort of minimal set of common doctrines, such as the Trinity, resurrection, etc. That’s not what catholic means though. It doesn’t mean “resting on a common foundation shared by a host of other Christian bodies”, it comes from the Greek “katholikos” meaning “complete”. In other words it’s maximalist, not minimalist. So that’s wrong.\n\nFor example, he claims adherence to Nicaea and the councils unite all “catholic” Christians, but does he really embrace Nicaea as some common core of doctrine? Does he embrace its regulations for bishops to exercise their ministry without interference? Its guidelines for the appointment of bishops? Its regulations for the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Jerusalem? Does he recognize of the primacy of the Bishop of Alexandria and other regional bishops? All of these things are part of his definition of “catholic”. But it’s untruthful for him to claim them. So why is he’s using the word “catholic”?\n\nProbably for respectability. Because if you say you reject Nicaea then no one takes you seriously.\n\nI’ll watch video 3 tomorrow. Lord have mercy on us all"}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>232\n>For example, he claims adherence to Nicaea and the councils unite all “catholic” Christians, but does he really embrace Nicaea as some common core of doctrine?\nHe is obviously referring to the creedal statements of those councils. Though the term \"catholic\" is more nebulous than even that, as it is a manifest error to attach it to the councils since its earliest documented use was centuries before Nicaea by Ignatius of Antioch. Historically, the Protestant reformers used the term \"catholic\" both to describe their own movement and teachings as well as the ancient Church, and the confessions generally written shortly after the Reformation all or nearly all use it to describe the body of all Christians with a credible profession of faith, and all Christians with true faith. In that way, a Protestant understanding of \"catholicity\" is marked by connection to the early church, affirmation of orthodox Protestant fundamentals, and an emphasis on Christian unity."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>232\nAlso, please note that \"Reformed\" is an adjective used as a noun. That is because it is short for \"Reformed Catholic\"."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>233\n>He is obviously referring to the creedal statements of those councils\nAgree to the creeds but throw out the canons? purely for the sake of congeniality and fitting in with wider Christendom?\n\nWhen Orthodox say their church is “Catholic”, it means the church is not a sect. It’s an upper case C and it comes with the other words One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. This is the credal meaning of the word.\n\nSounds ultra pretentious but it’s true—I can’t imagine studying Christianity in any tradition not rooted in the Greek"}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>235\n>Agree to the creeds but throw out the canons?\nYou're making it sound like we're meticulously going through the councils and saying \"I like this part, I don't like this part\". The creeds serve as a baseline of orthodoxy and a common profession. If they didn't perform that function, even their value would have expired.\n>purely for the sake of congeniality and fitting in with wider Christendom?\nNo. \"Fitting in\" does not factor in. In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.\n>When Orthodox say their church is “Catholic”, it means the church is not a sect\nIf you think the kingdom of God is defined by the word on the church door then it is in fact a sect. Your catholicity is distinctly not catholic but sectarian, if your meaning is that the true Church is identical to your institution. But where the gospel is preached and the sacraments are administered, there is the Church. It does not matter if the word on the outside of the building is \"Presbyterian\", \"Baptist\" or \"Lutheran\", if what is practiced inside is true religion, it is a true church of Christ.\n>I can’t imagine studying Christianity in any tradition not rooted in the Greek\nYou should be far more concerned with the meaning of God's word than something as superficial as a language."}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>236\n>You're making it sound like we're meticulously going through the councils and saying \"I like this part, I don't like this part\"\nI’ll be able to speak about sola scriptura more intelligently tomorrow after I listen to Sprout, but this is essentially what I believe “tradition is subject to scripture” currently means.\n>The creeds serve as a baseline of orthodoxy and a common profession. If they didn't perform that function, even their value would have expired.\nTouché—that is true\n>If you think the kingdom of God is defined by the word on the church door then it is in fact a sect\nThe kingdom of God is a spiritual reality that exists within the hearts of believers and is manifested in their actions and interactions with the world. The ‘Orthodox’ designation is just there to designate a certain standard of right belief, overseen by a Christian bishop. The “Catholicity” claim is that this right belief is universal and total. The church does not regard herself as a sect precisely because she regards herself as Catholic. I maintain that all Protestant use of the word is goes against what the word actually means and, for that reason, is intellectually tawdry.\n>You should be far more concerned with the meaning of God's word than something as superficial as a language\nLanguage is not superficial. Meaning is mediated by language. Do you know a second language? Have you spent time immersed in a foreign culture long enough for it to change the way you think? If you have, you’ll know how much the language a culture uses shapes the way that culture sees the world. Categories that exist in one language will not exist in others. It’s like an operating system in that way. Greek is the language of the Bible, and of the early church, and Orthodoxy is the Christianity of the Greeks. If you don’t see the relevance of those barebone facts, I have nothing to say further about it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there any alternate history scenario where Iran could have resisted conversion to Islam and remained Zoroastrian?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had a good chance of forming a syncretic religion if the Qarmatians survived"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, they were too weak to handle the Arab bvll."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there any alternate history scenario where Iran could have resisted conversion to Islam and remained Zoroastrian?\nNo. Here is a case study\n>Be Zoroastrians\n>do nothing for centuries\n>Be Shia\n>Constantly form secret societies, rebellions, and movements until achieving power (Buyids, Assassins, Sassanids, Qarmatians, Kaysanites, etc.)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Don't spend 26 years wasting blood and treasure in a pointless war with the Byzantines."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>greater Iranic empire\nThis:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/3Xzeezu3xHw [Embed]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>Arabs\n>\"bvlls\"\n>be Arab countries\n>out number Isarel 10 to 1\n>still lose all wars\n>be Iraqis\n>can't be isolated Iran\nlol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nYeah, it really comes down to this. The Zoroastrians formed secret societies, rebellions, and movements, and it never went anywhere because they just didn't have the manpower to fight off infinite dunecoons from the south. Compare that to Shiite takeover which happened for basically the same reason but in reverse."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHello daroosh"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTest"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nWhat can we say, Jews are stronger than Iranians by far"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nJews are stronger than Arabs\nPersians are stronger than Arabs\nTurks are stronger than Arabs\nAlbanians are stronger than Arabs"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, poorsian were slaves to the arab cock\n>Verification not required."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>The Zoroastrians formed secret societies, rebellions, and movements\nno they didn't. It's just modern zorolarpers trying to pass of shia movements as zoroastrians."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nPoint made"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWell, other than all of the secret societies, rebellions, and movements that Zoroastrians have done since Muhammad's day into the present.\n\nIncluding the one that killed a caliph."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Well, other than all of the secret societies, rebellions, and movements that Zoroastrians have done since Muhammad's day into the present.\nname some. This is the second time you stated this. The only zoroastrian of note after 651 is Mardavij."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nZoroastrianism is still around today, anon."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nfreddy mercury"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>>20\nso nothing got it."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they didn’t got to war with Rome for the umpteenth time they would of been in a more stable condition to resist the arabs. the main reason the arabs won was basically because all the great houses were completely decimated leaving just about anyone competent dead and the gokturks and khazars were raiding deep into sassanid territory. pretty much with impunity and Yazdegerd III was a powerless child that didn’t know what the fuck to do.it really sad when you read he practically was begging his governors to raise armies and they flat out refused his request. he was essentially a powerless king with no pull in a crumbling empire that was ceasing to exist.sucks cause the persians/sassanids have a very interesting history unfortunately the bedouin niggers destroyed most of it and the rest they stole and called it their own TLDR fuck the arabs."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nKhurramites were definitely Zoroastrians though"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>Khurramites were definitely Zoroastrians though\nthere it is. Pretending shia groups were zoroastrian to make yourselves feel better"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>no mosques\n>no koran\n>no islamic ideology or affliation with any islamic sects\n>\"they were shia muslims though\"\nfucking retard"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>no islamic ideology or affliation with any islamic sects\nimamate, reincarnation of Ali, etc.\nI can keep going on and on\n>no fire temples\n>no avesta\nWhat a loser. Having to larp as shia groups because zoroastrians were losers who did nothing"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWe literally know their philosophy and onotology was directly rooted in Mazdaism and Zoroastrianism, you fucking retard.\n\n>exclusively all Iranian or Iranic people (mainly Persians, Iranian Azeris, etc...)\n>Sundaph was a Zoroastrian mobad, the founder of the faith\n>Al-tabari states a main practice of the Khurramites was a redistribution of money, resources, land, and properties (directly paralleling Mazdakism which was proto-communistic as well) from the Sassanian era\n>Khurramite raids, targets, and assassinations were indistinguishable against Shia or Sunni or any other sect of Muslims they went against\n>Both Al-tabari and Al-Maqdsi noted the parallel and direct connections with traditional Zoroastrianism's dualism in Khuramite beliefs, reincarnation (Zurvanism and Mazdakism), and were coined as crypto-Zoroastrians/Mazdasyans pretending to be \"Muslims\".\nSure thing retard."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nboth Muslim Persian and Arab historians called them \"majoosi\" pretending to be Muslims, lol."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>exclusively all Iranian or Iranic people (mainly Persians, Iranian Azeris, etc...)\nSo? Doesn't make it zoroastrian moron\n>Sundaph was a Zoroastrian mobad, the founder of the faith\nHe was one of many rebels.\n>Al-tabari states a main practice of the Khurramites was a redistribution of money, resources, land, and properties (directly paralleling Mazdakism which was proto-communistic as well) from the Sassanian era\nCommon to all religions. You can slot in Christianity, islam, Buddhism, etc\n>Khurramite raids, targets, and assassinations were indistinguishable against Shia or Sunni or any other sect of Muslims they went against\nExcept the situation in the early islamic era was that there were tons of shia sects. The Khurramites emerged out of the kaysanites.\nThere wasn't one group of shia. I'm not surprised a dumb larper like you doesn't actually know anything about history.\n>Both Al-tabari and Al-Maqdsi noted the parallel and direct connections with traditional Zoroastrianism's dualism in Khuramite beliefs, reincarnation (Zurvanism and Mazdakism), and were coined as crypto-Zoroastrians/Mazdasyans pretending to be \"Muslims\".\nThey were hostile sources. Of course they would say this and deny heterodox groups as muslims."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nEither way you keep dodging the fact that Ali and even Muhammad were used as foundational figures for various Khurramite leaders with many claiming to be reincarnations of them. it directly kills your zoroastrian larp. Even then you shatter your own larp by mixing in Zoroastrians with the Zurvanites and Mazdakites when we have post islamic zoroastrian texts denouncing both and arch heretics. By your own admission here the khurramites aren't an example of zoroastrians.\nthe beliefs of the khurramites find their origin in early shi'ism and are directly descended from an early shi'ite sect with its figures using popular concepts like the return of Ali to gain a following. Just admit you're retarded.\n\nAs I posted zorolarpers can only try to pass shia groups off as zoroastrians\n\n>>28\nSo they call shia that too. Who takes them seriously when it comes to them seething."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>15\n>>2\nDamn they really do larp as shia"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\nI accept your concession."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nI'm not dodging anything, you fucking retard. Khurramites or Khurramism was a broad term applied to all disparate ethno-religious groups in Western and Central Asia that chaffed during the mid and late 8th century after the Abbasid Revolution happened you fucking nitwit. Its no different then the Greeks and Romans calling every single nomadic war-like tribes as Scythian pre-contact with Turkic and Hunnic peoples.\n\nBut if you want me to be specific:\n\n- Iranian/Persian Khurramites specifically have multiple noted doctrines and synchronicity with Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism over any other other faith they borrowed from\n- Multiple teachings and beliefs rooted from Zoroastrianism, Manicheanism, Mazdakism, and Zurvanism are the strongest influence on Iranian Khuramites\n- Rejection of Islam was universal among Iranian Khurramites\n- Dualistic ideology and belief in darkness vs light, and good vs evil, is the most apparent and overarching theme in Khurramism (do you think this comes from Islam???)\n\nSo no, Iranian Khurramites were never Muslims unless they converted. Every single source we have on them that are the best ones: Al-Maqdsi and Al-Tabari, don't consider them Muslims and note their hatred of Islam unless they converted, so no one believes they are an aspect of an Islamic sect."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">In all three cases the secessionists cast the victim as the true imam (and/or prophet), to reconstitute themselves as separate communities under leaders of their own. They continued to trace the imamate from Moḥammad: the leadership of the community had passed to ʿAli, Ebn al-Ḥanafiya, and Abu Hāšem, who bequeathed it to ʿAbd-Allāh b. Moʿāwiya (according to the Janāḥiya and Ḥāreṯiya/Ḥarbiya) or to a member of the Abbasid family (according to former members of the Hāšemiya), from whom it has passed to Ḵedāš (according to the Ḵedāšiya) or Abu Moslem (according to the Moslemiya). Their imams thereafter were usually Iranians and never Hāšemites (Ps.-Nāšeʾ, par. 52). By the 12th century, the Ḵorramis in Azerbaijan had extended the imamate chain back in time to include the Persian kings and taken to calling themselves Pārsis. They had also become ʿAlid Shiʿites: God had manifested himself in Moḥammad, ʿAli, and Salmān al-Fārsi, and their two current leaders were in the position of Moḥammad and ʿAli, the light manifesting itself now in three persons and now in one or two (Madelung, 1988, pp. 9-12).\nlook at these \"zoroastrian\" rebels."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>the beliefs of the khuramites find their origin in early shi'ism and are directly descended from an early shi'ite sect\nWhy are you making shit up?\n>Most Khurramis were dualists and associated God with light and evil with darkness. To many of the Khurramiyya, God was the great light or the supreme light and the source of all light. All souls/spirits came from this light and when people died, they would return to it. Crone notes that in Khurramism, light God was everywhere, but God as supreme light “was far removed from the world and beyond human experience.” As such, the Khurramiyya focused their devotion and worship on the manifestation of God in the form of celestial beings and divine humans. They also believed that God, as the supreme light, did not need worship and they generally saw ritual worship as being optional."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nStill dodging the whole khurramite leaders declaring themselves imams and the reincarnations of Ali. They were shia deal with it ."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nAbu Muslim was a kaysanite shia who his followers declaring imam after his assassination"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>Khurramism seems to have been syncretic and drew on the practices and beliefs of several other religions merging them into one. The earliest versions in the pre-Islamic era seem to have blended Avestan ideas with older local beliefs as well as pre-monotheistic Mesopotamian religious traditions and later on they drew on Biblical ideas as well.\n>By the eighth century, Khurramism had become influenced by several belief systems, religions, and traditions. However, the Zoroastrian elements within the various Khurramiyya groups still come across very strongly. There were also Manichaean, Buddhist, and Hindu influences on Khurramism. Crone also mentions ideas and beliefs that parallel those found in Gnosticism, Platonism, various forms of Mysticism (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic), and Islam. When the Khurramiyya converted to Islam, they usually converted to extreme versions of Shiism that most closely resembled their own beliefs, which they also brought with them and infused into their new religion.\nlmao some \"Shi'ite\" Muslims there pal.\n>>36\nI didn't dodge anything you fucking moron. Are you the same dipshit from yesterday who was claiming Zoroastrianism was younger then Judaism?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n>divine humans\nThese divine humans included Muhammad and Ali. you're so pathetic it hurts.\nVGH over Mardavij or Farrukhan the Dayubid who were actually zoroastrian."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nAbu Khorasani wasn't a Khurramite. And none of Abu Khorasani's direct followers were Khuramites either, just aligned and associated with them, just like every other non-Arab Sunni and non-Sunni Muslims joined him and the Abbasids in toppling the Umayyads."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nDivine humans included Ashto Zoroaster, Mani, Mazdak, just like in Islam---oh wait. Are you so illterate and stupid that you don't get the point that Khurramites were divided into different sects with wholly differently dispersed ideologies and I've only talked about Iranian ones you dumb-fucker? Or again, do the words of Al-Tabari and Al-Maqdsi not matter in mocking the idea they were \"Muslims\"?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\n>Shi'ite\nAre you pretending shias were one sect or something back then? There were hundreds of them out there. They had varying beliefs but the one thing that bound them was their belief in the imamate.\n>I didn't dodge anything you fucking moron.\nYou are. These Khurramites claimed their divine authority from Muhammad and/or Ali. How do cope with this? It's obvious by your posts so far you're just ignoring it"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>I've only talked about Iranian ones you dumb-fucker?\n> the Ḵorramis in Azerbaijan had extended the imamate chain back in time to include the Persian kings and taken to calling themselves Pārsis. They had also become ʿAlid Shiʿites: God had manifested himself in Moḥammad, ʿAli, and Salmān al-Fārsi, and their two current leaders were in the position of Moḥammad and ʿAli, the light manifesting itself now in three persons and now in one or two\nYeah you keep acting retarded\n>Or again, do the words of Al-Tabari and Al-Maqdsi not matter in mocking the idea they were \"Muslims\"?\nWhy would they call people they hated muslim? Their words are irrelevant"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nI wasn't aware that Muslims venerated non-Abrahamic prophets and figures like Zoroaster, Buddha, and Mani?\n>>42\nThis is literal cope on your part. Al-Tabari explicitly makes note that the Khuramites were not associated with Shi'ites or Shi'a Islam tenants and doctrine unless they CONVERTED to the most extreme aspect of Twelver Shia Islam after Khurramites were defeated.\n>You are.\nI didn't. I asked you why you think Khurramites were Shia subsects when not a single scholar, historian, or contemporary account always dismissed what you are claiming and Kurramites in general had no real shared ideology unless they were ones in ethno-religious groups isolated from other ones."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>\"I don't want to count the best historical sources because they contradict what I'm claiming\"\n>\"So they don't matter\"\nI accept your concession, camel-piss drinker. Which is even funnier because even Sunni Muslim historians still denoted Shi'ites from non-Muslims. So you are gonna take the L and like it."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>Abu Khorasani wasn't a Khurramite. And none of Abu Khorasani's direct followers were Khuramites either, just aligned and associated with them, just like every other non-Arab Sunni and non-Sunni Muslims joined him and the Abbasids in toppling the Umayyads.\nI never said he was. I said he was a kaysanite shia who his followers declared imam after his death. The sect that formed was a major khurramite group. You can literally trace the khurramites back to Mukhtar al Thaqafi. To deny that they were shi'ites makes no sense."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>36\nIranian Khuramites literally believed the ultimate savior was Zoroaster either reincarnating or Mazdak reincarnating as Sasyoshant. Why did you gloss over this and try to pretend that isn't the biggest point of their belief in a divine paradise?\n>>46\nNone of the Iranian Khuramites were Muslims, lol. They were a blend of Persian and other Iranian Zoroastrians, Mazdakians, Mani faith ideologues, as well as even Iranian Jews and Buddhist to name a few. And the most notable example of a leader they followed militarily was Babak Khorrmadin, who was not a Muslim at all."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>24\nLitterally 9th Century islamic sources confirmed they mere \"mazdeans disguising themselves as muslims\". They didnt even brothers to take arabic names."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>I wasn't aware that Muslims venerated non-Abrahamic prophets and figures like Zoroaster, Buddha, and Mani?\nThe Khurramites went to past Kings as imams. Doesn't change the fact that they venerated Ali.\n>This is literal cope on your part. Al-Tabari explicitly makes note that the Khuramites were not associated with Shi'ites or Shi'a Islam tenants and doctrine unless they CONVERTED to the most extreme aspect of Twelver Shia Islam after Khurramites were defeated.\nJust confirmed how retarded you are. Twelver Shi'ism didn't exist until the later 10th century. How can they convert to a sect that didn't even exist. I always had a suspicion you assumed shia meant twelver which confirms how stupid you are.\n>I didn't. I asked you why you think Khurramites were Shia subsects when not a single scholar, historian, or contemporary account always dismissed what you are claiming and Kurramites in general had no real shared ideology unless they were ones in ethno-religious groups isolated from other ones.\nI literally quoted them above.\n>Kurramites in general had no real shared ideology\nThere's your classic dodging. The imamate was their core doctrine and each Khurramite group was distinct from the rest because they followed a different line of imams.\n>>45\n>I accept your concession, camel-piss drinker. Which is even funnier because even Sunni Muslim historians still denoted Shi'ites from non-Muslims. So you are gonna take the L and like it.\nShi'ites were never one single sect. The Sunnis liked the Zaydis and that's it. You can keep up your denial all you want. Still won't change the fact that the Khurramites all operated as shia do"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nSo let me get this straight you've said:\n\na) Khurramites are either a sub-sect of Shi'ite Islam\nb) They were crypto-Muslims pretending to be Zoroastrians/Mazdakians\nc) Ignore every single contemporary and best historical accounts of their ideologies, beliefs, views, political stances, and religion being almost entirely ethnocentric to argue that Al-Tabari and Al-Maqdsi are wrong in saying they were Majoos pretending to be 'Muslims'\nd) Sayoshant was the ultimate savior and messiah to restore the world and purge evil just like in traditional and sub-sects faiths of Zoroastrianism as well as cosmic balance and duology struggle between good vs evil, paradise, etc...\ne) the strongest elements of traditional monotheistic faiths and ontology comes from Iranian indigenous faiths; Zoroastrianism, Mazdakism, Manicheaism\nf) veneration of non-Abrahamic figures as prophets; namely Zoroaster, Mani, Mazdak, the Sayoshant, Buddha, Sundpari\ng) famously hostile to all Muslims unless forced to convert and even then it would be to the most extreme fringes of Shi'ite Islam (how does a Muslim convert to Islam when already Muslim?)\nh) want to link the Khurramites hating the Umayyads, Sunni Muslims, and the Abbasids betraying Abu Khorasani as making them Shi'ite despite the fact the Abbasids rose to power specifically on the back of non-Muslims and non-Arab Muslims hating the Umayyads for treating the caliphate as an Arab only state\nSure thing pal"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>>48\n>mazdeans disguising themselves as muslims\nLiterally just heterodox muslims and some dude seething about that.\n>Iranian Khuramites literally believed the ultimate savior was Zoroaster either reincarnating or Mazdak reincarnating as Sasyoshant. Why did you gloss over this and try to pretend that isn't the biggest point of their belief in a divine paradise?\nNo they believed in a divine light incarnating as various individuals.\n>None of the Iranian Khuramites were Muslims, lol. They were a blend of Persian and other Iranian Zoroastrians, Mazdakians, Mani faith ideologues, as well as even Iranian Jews and Buddhist to name a few. And the most notable example of a leader they followed militarily was Babak Khorrmadin, who was not a Muslim at all.\nNo I know you're bullshitting. They all were shia sects with Ali in their lines of imams. You're mentioning every religion you know but ignoring elephant in the room."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>Khuramites went to past Kings as imans\nAnd prophets too, how does this make them Muslims?\n>Just confirmed how retarded you are?\nBy the two best historical Muslims historians contemporary to that time outright flatly stating they weren't Muslims? You got me pal.\n>I literally quoted them above.\nYou literally dodged the evidence proving you wrong, I again accept your concession.\n>The inamate was their core doctrine\nNo it wasn't. Not a single modern scholar who specializes on Iranian faiths or religions in the early Middle Ages in Western Asia has ever concluded this was true. In fact its always been apparent Khurramites dispersing so widely into different sects and sub-sects of Sunni and Shi'ite Islam was entirely based around their geographic location and ethnic background and their core pre-Islamic doctrines were also never universal.\n>Shi'ites were never one single sect.\nNo one ever said they were you rabidly retarded fuck-wit. Its explicitly denoted by Al-Tabari and Al-Maqdsi the Iranian Khurramites were never Muslims to begin with and were always a sub-sect of radicalized Mazdakian-based Zoroastrians with infused elements from Buddhists, Manicheanism, and older indigenous Mesopotaniam faiths like Mithraism as well."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>Literally just heterodox Muslims\nLiterally they were just heterodox Zoroastrians you dumb faggot.\n>No they believed in a divine light.\nThe dualistic cosmology, Zoroaster, Mazdak, Mani, and Sayoshant says your wrong dipshit, I'll accept your concession once more.\n>blah blah blah\nEveryone knows your full of shit. Muslims don't venerate and worship Zoroastrian prophets, divine figures, have the almost exact same copy-pasted cosmology and ontology as Mazdakism and Zoroastrianism, kill only Muslims, is almost entirely followed by ethnic Iranians, and reject exclusivity of heterodox Islam.\n\nSudoku yourself. You already displayed you are a frothing faggot retard with sub-room temperature IQ by claiming the two best sources on them don't matter. Only on /his/ would an anon say historians contemporary to them don't matter."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>a) Khurramites are either a sub-sect of Shi'ite Islam\nYeah this is obvious\n>b) They were crypto-Muslims pretending to be Zoroastrians/Mazdakians\nI've never said this.\n>c) Ignore every single contemporary and best historical accounts of their ideologies, beliefs, views, political stances, and religion being almost entirely ethnocentric to argue that Al-Tabari and Al-Maqdsi are wrong in saying they were Majoos pretending to be 'Muslims'\nMajoos pretending to be muslims is a sign that they followed muslim practices and that Tabari and Al Maqdisi hated them and did not include them as part of the muslim label. And since we're on the subject neither of these two are an authority on the matter. These sources also claim they follow their lines of imams. That's as shia as you can get. In your head shi'ism is one thing and that's your pea brain associating modern shi'ism being 90% twelver with the past.\n>d) Sayoshant was the ultimate savior and messiah to restore the world and purge evil just like in traditional and sub-sects faiths of Zoroastrianism as well as cosmic balance and duology struggle between good vs evil, paradise, etc...\nAl Muqanna used Mahdi not Sayoshant a term that came into popular use by Mukhtar and was carried on by the kaysanites and the sects that emerged from them including the khurramites\n>he strongest elements of traditional monotheistic faiths and ontology comes from Iranian indigenous faiths; Zoroastrianism, Mazdakism, Manicheaism\nwhat does this even mean?\n>veneration of non-Abrahamic figures as prophets; namely Zoroaster, Mani, Mazdak, the Sayoshant, Buddha, Sundpari\nYou misread the iranica article you're obviously reading from. The paragraph that mentions these figures is talking about the history of divine incarnation not khurramite belief"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>>49\n>>46\nnot gonna do the tl dr like you guys but Khuramites are directly linked to Mazdak and the Mazdakians that emerged in the late Sassanid period in the late 400s/early 500s and Mazdak was a heretical zoroastrian priest who created his own off-shoot proto-Khurramite faith so its not Muslim\n>>54\nal-tabari did not hate zoroastrians lol"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\n> famously hostile to all Muslims unless forced to convert and even then it would be to the most extreme fringes of Shi'ite Islam (how does a Muslim convert to Islam when already Muslim?)\nby switching sects. Are you really this retarded. Sunpadh's rebellion was formed from khurramites and other shia groups but you knew that.\n>want to link the Khurramites hating the Umayyads, Sunni Muslims, and the Abbasids betraying Abu Khorasani as making them Shi'ite despite the fact the Abbasids rose to power specifically on the back of non-Muslims and non-Arab Muslims hating the Umayyads for treating the caliphate as an Arab only state\nThe Abbasid rebellion was a shia movement as the early abbasids claimed the imamate. The Khurramites split off from them and claimed Abu Muslim as imam. You intended this as some gotcha but fucked yourself over\n>"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>didn't rebuke a single thing said\n>continues to strawman and make up more shit to try and save face\n>now tries to add poisoning the well on top of it\nYeah I already know you have nothing. Khurramites aren't Muslims, no one in academia and middle eastern studies consider them Muslims and no one will ever consider them Muslims,\n>>56\nSundaphr was not a Muslim. Sundaphr was an adherent orthodox Zoroastrian noble who rallied anti-Abbasid Muslim AND non-Muslim forces to him which is when the term \"Khurramites\" were used for non-Muslim and non-Muslism ethno-religious groups constituting Iranian peoples against the caliphate."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nalso to add, 90% of the tenants, ideologies, faith, doctrines, and beliefs the Khurramites in the 9th and 10th century had are almost exactly identical to 5-6th century Mazdakian \"Zoroastrians\" who were deemed heretics after Kavad said fuck off and executed Mazdak when he couldn't rebuke another mobad calling out his shit and was on his second reign as emperor in Persia; proto-commuistic beliefs, egalitarian socialism, sharing women, property, food, resources, its literally 1:1."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\n>>53\n>>55\nall idiots reading from an iranica article and misreading it to suit their larp. Buddha and Mani are mentioned in the history of divine incarnation section as well as a suggestio nto how the khurramites came upon the reincarnation belief.\n>heterodox Zoroastrians\nheterodox muslims. The imamate is not zoroastrian and it was the central belief\n>The dualistic cosmology, Zoroaster, Mazdak, Mani, and Sayoshant says your wrong dipshit, I'll accept your concession once more.\nTheir main belief was divine incarnation. Their claims to divine authority was based on them being a new incarnation of light and most often as a reincarnation of Ali and in some cases Muhamamad. What do Muhammad and Ali have to do with zoroastrianism? Jack shit they weren't zoroastrianism\n>Everyone knows your full of shit\nand zoroastrians dont venerate Ali and claim to be reincarnations of him\n>Sudoku yourself. You already displayed you are a frothing faggot retard with sub-room temperature IQ by claiming the two best sources on them don't matter. Only on /his/ would an anon say historians contemporary to them don't matter.\nI didnt say they dont matter you just have to read them carefully since they're hostile sources. Do you believe they were sharing wives too? Dumbass. These same sources refer to them following Imams.\n>Khuramites are directly linked to Mazdak and the Mazdakians that emerged in the late Sassanid period in the late 400s/early 500s and Mazdak was a heretical zoroastrian priest who created his own off-shoot proto-Khurramite faith so its not Muslim\nThey literally formed out of the aftermath of the Abbasid rebellion. That's the actual direct link. It all comes down to the imamate the one unique belief of the shia that separates them from the rest of the muslims. The Khurramites based themselves around the same concept as such they are shia."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nDid Mazdaks followers follow a lineage of imams with Ali as a progenitor? No. Did the Khurramites. Yes. It's really just that simple"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nMuslims worship Buddha and Zoroaster? No? Then its really just that simple.\n>>59\n>Zoroaster\n>Mazdak\n>Mani\n>Buddha\n>Sayoshant\n>King Bahram reincarnating back\nNone of these are Muslim. No one in academia considers Khurramites muslim, get over it, retard. The Khurramites were a loosely affliated \"group\" of disparate different minorities and religious outfits united against the Abbasids by Sundapr against them for killing Abu Khorasani and betraying the pact they had on treatment of non-Muslims and non-Arabs. The Iranian Khurramites that followed Babak were all Zoroastrians or Mazdakians who hated Muslims and Islam. No one cares about your retarded made up nonsensical internalized \"logic\" to try and claim their Muslim when no one called them muslims.Also the fact you keep talking about \"Iranica\" articles for whatever reason tells me you are some retarded inbreed Arabstani obsessed with majoos."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\neverybody is sick of your coping by now. The Kurramites were shiites. just give up and go home, you sad iranian diaspora"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>Shiites\n>worship Zoroaster and other non-Islamic figures\nKeep coping Abdullah"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n>zoroastrians\n>Guys follow me I'm the true imam and reincarnation of Ali\nAlso why the fuck are you using zoroastrians interchangeably with Mazdakite."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Kosrow not going full retard. Same for the Byzantine Empire. These 2 fought each other to exhaustion and then the arabs just picked them one by one.\n\nThat's basically the conquests of islam, picking on spoils. There's nothing impressive or remarkable about them, in India they got as far as it took them to meet an actual organized state, in central asia they were stopped by a far away chinese military detachment in xinjiang, in north africa they were picking what was left of a moribund byzantine administration, in Spain they only won in Guadalete due to literal treason in the midst of the battle of Guadalete by 2/3 of the army abandoning the king. Without treason, they muslims would have been annihilated. The frankish are praised for their triumphant resistance like in Tours and so on, but they actually sucked balls and did far worse than anyone else considering the frankish kingdom wasnt't torn apart/ exhausted from decades of war/victim of treachery or perfidious schemes. It's even a miracle they managed to pull a \"win\" over a relatively minor raiding muslim party in Tours."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nMazdakites were a sect of Zoroastrianism, you retard."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo the global saturn worshipping cult would have gone to any length to extinguish any source of antedilluvian knowledge."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>Mazdakites were a sect of Zoroastrianism,\nkek you do realize the tabari and maqdisi crap you were crying about applies here as well right since no Zoroastrian considered them as such. Of course I don't care about what the orthodox sect says but you just outed yourself as a moron"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nIt literally doesn't contradict what he said because the distinction between different Mazdasyanas were made by the Zoroastrians themselves, not even Al-Tabari went that far. And regardless, the Khurramites were a literally a second coming of the Mazdakites with just a bit more influence of other religions, you stupid fucking retard. Its not a gotcha moment because you have no idea what you are talking about, so post more so I can keep insulting you with your low IQ takes."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>uh they're not muslim because tabari said so\n>Uh the mazdakites are zoroastrian even though actual zoroastrians said they weren't because they just were okay\ngotcha"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>what are nuances\nSo you are a retard. But I guess according to YOU, Buddhists, Manicheanists, Hindus, and Zoroastrians are all Muslims too? Gotcha."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs there any alternate history scenario where I didnt fuck you mom?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do Protestants cope with this verse?\n>How can I understand, unless someone guides me? (Acts 8:31)\nIt proves that the scriptures on their own are insufficient unto salvation. Salvation requires extra-biblical guidance from the church."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Da Holy Spirit DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH\nGet on wid it, boy!\n\nEXPERIENCE DA FIRE OF DA HOLY SPIRIT\nchabadabwadakada maja fada babo uga dudu booga chugga uda da baba dodo kooju bee bee dong dong"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis but unironically"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSo if Phillip didn’t appear; the Holy Spirit would have just taught the Ethiopian eunuch? Where does it say that in the Bible?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Quote a protestant confession, catechism or other document that contradicts what you're describing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>I believe in the necessity of a clergy to interpret scripture... just not your clergy\n>why yes my clergy was founded sixteen hundred years after Christ by a French lawyer who appears to have predicated his beliefs on his own subjective experience whereas your clergy were ordained within churches founded by the apostles themselves...\n>I, Dirk, see no issue with this"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWho are you quoting"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThe Westminster Confession of Faith\nCHAPTER 14\nOf Saving Faith.\nI. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls, is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts, and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the word\n\nThe 1689 BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH\nOf Saving Faith\nChapter 14\n—\nPARAGRAPH 1\nThe grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls, is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts, and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNTA but I believe he is characterizing general Calvinist thought"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThanks, OP refuted\n>wrought by the ministry of the word\n\n>>9\nIncorrectly caricaturing"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nI'm an Anglican.\nI don't have this problem."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Incorrectly caricaturing\nIn what way?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>Thanks, OP refuted\nThe confession is self-refuting. By whom were the reformers being ministered to? The caricature is not a caricature but an accurate picture of the contradictions of the reformation."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nNone of us have this problem\nThe lower church the protestant the more they're concerned with missions and evangelism, generally\n\"How can they hear without a preacher?\" is basically their motto\n\n>>12\nAs shown by the confessions protestants believe in the necessity of teachers\nCalvin himself identified both pastor-teacher and doctor as offices in the church\n\n>>13\nRephrase your point in the form of an argument and exactly quote the protestants you're critiquing"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Rephrase your point in the form of an argument and exactly quote the protestants you're critiquing\nEven Protestants acknowledge the ordinary necessity of ministry, as proven by your creeds (quoted above). But the very first Protestant(s) had no one to minister the Word to them except the extant Catholic and Orthodox churches of their day. Therefore, even by their own confessions, salvation is ordinarily through those churches."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>As shown by the confessions protestants believe in the necessity of teachers\n>Calvin himself identified both pastor-teacher and doctor as offices in the church\nYes, the post you are calling a caricature recognises this specifically. Re-read it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nSecond sentence is false. The protestants were never without clergy.\nProtestantism is not restorationism, they did not start a new religion or church out of catholicism. Protestantism is a true continuation of catholicism with the exactly same lineage before the 16th century.\n\nBy your first point you also have conceded that the issue raised in the OP was false, so at best you were ignorant and at worst you are a liar"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Second sentence is false. The protestants were never without clergy\nHow is it false? The first Protestant(s) by definition had no one else like-minded around. They were the first of their kind. They had clergy, but they didn’t receive the teachings of that clergy. They rejected large parts and modified the teaching of their day.\n>Protestantism is not restorationism\nI have always called it tantamount to restorationism. Consider the fact that early Protestant leaders relied on their own study of the Bible as well as the support and guidance of other like-minded individuals to develop their understanding of Christian doctrine. Consider the fact that they were largely (though not completely, as you point out) self-taught and self-guided, relying on their own study of scripture and the guidance of the Holy Spirit to develop their understanding of the Christian faith.\n>By your first point you also have conceded that the issue raised in the OP was false\nTrue, but the intuition was spot-on, because the problem of non-reception remains, regardless of if you affirm that salvation is ordinarily through ministry of the words. I’m thankful for other anon for pointing that out."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>I have always called it tantamount to restorationism\nSo we're not debating the historical character of protestantism but your feelings about it\n\nYou do not have a solid grasp of reformation history. I recommend the lecture series by Ryan Reeves on youtube.\nIt's \"ministry of the word\" fyi"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>I recommend the lecture series by Ryan Reeves on youtube\nI’ve seen them all. You haven’t presented a counter-argument. That was a typo."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Not a protestant but Jesus appointed the Governing Body to interpret Scripture"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Dirk:\n>I recommend the lecture series by Ryan Reeves\nRyan Reeves:\n>Martin Luther’s breakthrough is a fundamental re-reading of what the gospel message is all about\n>It is often believed to be Luther sitting upon the toilet\nhttps://youtu.be/Sjy23bJdLQg [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nStop blaspheming"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nSimilar to Luther, Charles Taze Russell’s exegesis spawned a new movement that wasn’t around before, and represents a fundamental departure from the received teaching."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nIs he beyond forgiveness because of that post?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's fake"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSalvation is getting damned according to backwards biblical ideology."}, {"id": 28, "content": "New testament points\n\n- Go into the siege with Jesus who curses to let none to the ghost but through him, but Satan can bypass him....\n- Give away all your stuff so Jews can pawn it to pay to save people who entered the spectral siege from dying a day away from death.\n- Forgive everyone that holds you and jewsus in the dark siege and let them rob everyone and drive them to death by attrition.\n- People are being brought back from the dead, the dimensions split after Jews introduce members to their precious \"ghost\" which they won't let anyone to except Satan.\n- lol\n- People start seeing fish splitting into doubles in the doubles dimension and corrupt kakarot jews start going insane over jewgeta owning them and making them dependent.\n- The spirit bomb blows out jewses souls when their precious ghost forsakes being in this state of betrayal as the old testament cursed.\n\nThe remaining aftermath is everyone involved got stabbed in the back.\n\nIt's a big deal AD \"After Death\" for a reason."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It proves that the scriptures on their own are insufficient unto salvation\nThat's quite a leap in logic. It says that this man wanted Phillip to explain the bible to him. How does \"this Ethiopian eunuch didn't understand a passage\" become \"nobody can understand anything in the bible\"? How did Phillip understand?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nyou mean anno domini"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n> That's quite a leap in logic. It says that this man wanted Phillip to explain the bible to him. How does \"this Ethiopian eunuch didn't understand a passage\" become \"nobody can understand anything in the bible\"?\nWhy? Everything in the Bible carries meaning. And there are no counter examples to this—everyone in the Bible is personally taught Christ by someone who already has been taught.\n>How did Phillip understand?\nPhilip is one of the seven deacons appointed by the apostles in Acts 6:5. He was chosen and taught by the apostle."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n\nliver ate me\nex inferin is"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nIt means the damned jews went down kicking and screaming and got completely damned possessed air tight. They wanted people to join them in their sin because being poor losers forever is too stupid."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>24\n>a new movement that wasn’t around before\n\nCan you name one thing I believe that isn't in the Bible then ?\n\nThanks"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThat Jesus appointed something called “the Governing Body” to interpret Scripture."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>Why?\nWhy what?\n>And there are no counter examples to this—everyone in the Bible is personally taught Christ by someone who already has been taught.\nWho already has been taught what? The papacy? The bodily assumption of Mary? The mass? The doctrines they taught were all found in scripture, in the word of God. You're not making a case for popery here, you're trying to sneak it through the back door when nobody is looking.\n>Philip is one of the seven deacons appointed by the apostles in Acts 6:5. He was chosen and taught by the apostle.\nDid Philip understand? Or did he err in teaching the eunuch his \"personal interpretation\"? Should he have directed him to the bishop of Rome rather than interpret the scripture?\n>>21\nNotice this everyone, Jehovah's witnesses openly deny sola scriptura. They are on Rome's side of the issue, so much for the \"unity\" that comes from adding authorities above God's word."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nWhy is it a leap in logic\n>Who already has been taught what?\nThe canon of faith\n>You're not making a case for popery here, you're trying to sneak it through the back door when nobody is looking\nI’m making the case that false prophets are they who refuse to receive the doctrine that’s there, and the papacy happens to be what we have received, which is what Luther rejected on his own accord, not being taught to reject it by the church, but devising it himself\n>Did Philip understand?\nWe have every reason to presume he was well-catechized"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nExept he does.\n\n\"Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants [or \"domestics\"] to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! I tell you truthfully, he will appoint him over all his belongings. But if ever that wicked [or \"evil\"] slave should say in his heart, 'My master delays coming,' and starts to beat the male and female servants and to eat and drink and get drunk\" \"with the confirmed drunkards,\" \"the master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting him and at an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones [or \"hypocrites\"].\" \"There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.\"—Matthew 24:45-51 and Luke 12:41-46."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nThat’s the most dubious biblical argument I’ve maybe ever seen"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>Why is it a leap in logic\nBecause there is no connection between \"this one guy didn't understand this one thing\" and \"nobody could possibly understand anything under any circumstances\".\n>and the papacy happens to be what we have received\nThe pharisees claimed to have received many things from Moses, and Jesus rebuked them on the basis that they should have known better because they possessed the scriptures. How will you know if your tradition is from God, or if it has been tainted by men? If your tradition is irreformable and justified by itself, you could never know that it had been tainted. Yet the Lord said God's people should have known better, because of the scriptures. We do not reject tradition, we rescue tradition by purging it of innovations through reformation according to the word of God.\n>We have every reason to presume he was well-catechized\nOur elders are hardly new converts pulled off the street. Can they understand it?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nno it's not\n\nYou are just suppressing the truth in your heart"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nDo you know what a parable is? It’s a parable that reminds us that we will be held accountable for how we have used the gifts that God has given us, and that we should strive to be faithful stewards of these gifts. It serves as a warning against complacency and self-indulgence. It’s not talking about a 20th century corporation"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>Because there is no connection between \"this one guy didn't understand this one thing\" and \"nobody could possibly understand anything under any circumstances\"\nBy one thing you mean the entire Gospel? You’re just saying that because he’s black.\n>How will you know if your tradition is from God, or if it has been tainted by men?\nLack of false prophets commandeering the message\n>Can they understand it?\nNot if they’re Reformed"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nThis has been debunked\n\nhttps://dismythed.blogspot.com/2023/01/what-faithful-and-discreet-slave-is-not.html?m=1"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>heh it actually is talking about a 20th century corporation\nJWs are truly a product of the American psyche."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nMormonism is smarter than this I think.."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nultimate American religion is still Mormonism, tho. If USA ever becomes a full fledged empire instead of republic, i think Mormonism or a very similar American-centered pseudo-Christianity will be the imperial cult."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n90% of catholics are literal niggers living in Africa. 100% catholic priests are pedophiles who fuck little boys in the ass. Is there anything more to say about this subject?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>2\nReally makes you think."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>3\naaaaand thats why i call you guys \"penteniggers\""}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nWeakest apostolic tradition arguements:\n>historical documents\n>apostolic succession\n>fathers\nStrongest protestant reformation arguements:\n>niggers\n>rape\n>homos"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nIs this apostolic tradition?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "China is the objective proof liberal democracy is unecessary for economic prosperity. Saudi arabia is the objective proof secular equality is unecessary for economic prosperity. Singapore is objective proof western values are unecessary for economic prosperity.\n\nSo why does the american empire still baselessly enforce it's moral system across the world? If it is not to proselitize christianity, it is not to spread democracy, if it's not even to gain territory and exploit peoples, what is it's objective?\n\nIt's an instrument of sensless drone strikes, death and misery, with no ideological goal beyond strangling all possible rivals for moronic fear that if it doesn't stop putin then they will see some eurasian empire land on their shores, if they don't stop isis they will see a billion 9/11s happen daily, if they don't stop china they will see a thousand pearl haurbours on california.\n\nIt's behaviour is that of a petty, decadent empire, akin to the late romans shedding the blood of thousands over wether or not the armenian king is an arsacid or sassanid. Just as no roman gave a shit about armenia, no american gives a shit about Afghanistan."}, {"id": 2, "content": "US foreign policy isn't predicate on what will lead to, or support, economic prosperity in foreign countries. Why would it be? There are a whole host of other objectives both ideological and realpolitik behind its actions.\n\nAlso, why the focus on economic prosperity? Both individuals and groups of people value other things, if they didn't everyone would do the calculating and expedient thing at all times, but they don't."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Literally none of those have been around for longer than 200 years. Do you realize that much of the West dates back to ancient Athens and Rome?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>US foreign policy isn't predicate on what will lead to, or support, economic prosperity in foreign countries.\nAgain, if it is not to proselitize christianity, if it's not to spread democracy, if it's not even to gain territory and exploit peoples, What is it's objective?\n\nJust to drone strike people at random for blaspheming against the american dream?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>China\nthey're about as rich as Romania in per capita terms\n>Saudi Arabia\nthey're the proof that anyone can be rich if they have enough natural resources\n\nAlthough the idea that democracy is tied directly to prosperity is somewhat silly. The US want for democracy is more to do with the idea that democracies are more peaceful and predictable, and are more likely to cooperate with other democracies and not try to disrupt the status quo as much as authoritarian states."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThere are elements of all of these interests in US foreign policy, actually. Christian conservatives, ideological Cold Warrior types, and business interests are all well represented in the halls of power. And for your last point, defense contractors make a lot of money every time Uncle Sam goes on the warpath.\n\nWhy would you expect a simple, straight explanation for everything they do?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChina has made a lot of progress, but it is still a third world country."}, {"id": 8, "content": "It's always popular to assume that one's success is a result of superior values and not just a combination of superior technology, organization and bombing competitors into submission, so it's no surprise that people would believe this. The actual goals of these people are split between true believers in the narrative and cynics who simply use it as a pretense to extract resources from third-world shitholes."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>hdi\nsuperkek"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ncope"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Saudi arabia is the objective proof secular equality is unecessary for economic prosperity.\nSaudi Arabia went from an impoverished semi-nomadic / semi-feudal society to a wealthy society in generation because of oil, which the authoritarian monarchy that developed and helped build the Saudi state helped secure, since its material basis is in a commodity physically pulled out of the ground. They want to protect it and keep it under their own control and dole out the proceeds to their family members who can then bling out with it, like a great, big family-owned gas station which also relies on foreign workers in the oil industry and construction sector. And because they want to protect their ownership of these vast material resources, they emphasize their \"difference\" not only from the West (even though the West supports them to keep global commodity prices stable) but also the foreign workers doing a lot of the jobs inside the \"gas station.\"\n\nSo, Saudi Arabia sits at the crossroad between tribalism, feudalism and capitalism; and MBS seems to have synthesized it into an absolute monarchy like what used to exist in Europe, which both preserves elements of the old system while also making \"enlightened\" reforms, for example the religious police are basically dead and gone at this point and have been for several years."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAh yes absolute monarchy, definitely a european invention."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why die for Danzig?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hitler offered peace many many times, Churchill wanted the war\nread Pat Buchanan's book"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't about Danzig."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnext you'll tell me you don't think throwing away an empire to make sure that Poland goes to Stalin instead of Hitler was a great idea"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nDamn why didn't Churchill trust a guy like Hitler?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe only trusted jews like his bernard baruch, typical angloid eunuch"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nChurchil wasn't the one who declared war on Germany."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was about time for england to go out of scene for the rise of the united states of america"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nIts like Hitler wanted the UK to let the Germans occupy them to invoke the peace, it was the opposite and it favoured the UK in the case of either side betraying their word (pulling out of German-held Western europe)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy not?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nwhos next?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNobody, we're headed for a new era of many little powers when the American empire loses it's power, whether that's 50 years from now or 100 to 200 years from now, there are no viable replacements due to various internal factors of any country that might be capable of doing so."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nan eternal reminder for the vile perfidious hun"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">for Danzig\nno. For Paris, for Brussels, for Amsterdam, for Warsaw."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy fight to defend your rightfull backyard?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nnone of these cities would have been attacked if the eternal anglo didn't intervene"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNone of those cities needed to be attacked if Germany never went on an offensive war."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\nwtf I love Churchill now."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nretardness and too much booze"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\ni mean, they did just give europe to communism for the next 50 years, should have listened to patton but they didnt have the balls. 5-10 years of fascism with maybe 5 mil deaths compared to 50 of communism with 10x that"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>monty fucks up market garden\n>all blame placed on the poles\njust cant catch a fucking break these guys"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nYou should flip FDR and Churchill, historylet. Churchill wanted to start WW3 to stop the Soviets from gobbling up Eastern Europe."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\n>dude breaks literally every treaty his nation agreed to\nbut yeah he'd totally honor a peace treaty, for sure, cross his heart"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\npeace in our time :)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Poland refused any sort of deal or cooperation. And no, this wasn't just because muh broken treaties. Hitler tried to court Poland into making a deal already in 33. It was going pretty well until in 34 some minister was shot by a Ukrainian. Poland suspected Germany had something to do with it (based on no evidence though) and since then they wanted to act like some third party middle ground between Germany and the USSR no matter how often or just how blatant they proposed working together. Didn't work out for them so well."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nGee it’s almost like hitler wrote a book about how Germans needed to kill Slavs and steal their land which might make Poland, a nation of Slavs, reluctant to work with him."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>13\nAwful meme. The left can’t into memes"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>hitler wrote a book about how Germans needed to kill Slavs\nIt was real in your mind"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQuality post imo."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI suppose they’d get all that Lebensraum by asking nicely then?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nWhy would you cooperate with someone who openly wants to genocide your people and colonize your lands with germans, wrote a book where he spells it out, recently promised not to expand any more then promptly annexed an entire country after threating its president with war and bombing of its capital city into oblivion if he didnt sign the paper within the hour which caused him to have a heart attack?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n\nWhat if hes not a leftist?\nIt's a meme trying to explain in the most basic child perspective to retard stormfaggots why Hitler couldnt just do whatever the fuck he wanted."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>23\nPost an example of Hitler breaking a treaty which was fair to Germans"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>after threating its president with war and bombing of its capital city into oblivion if he didnt sign the paper within the hour which caused him to have a heart attack?\nHoly fuck that's based lmao"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nMunich"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Which religion has the coolest god?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBaachus\n\nMithras is up there too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZurvan"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZoroastrianism ftw"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbaal"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean\nThere were really nice parts in hades"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmmon and Thoth are up there for sure because they are the root for a lot of theological prototypes we are used to today, they also have parallels in both western and eastern afro asiatic languages with very mystical narratives about them which are oddly similar, which makes them very interesting"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI could almost hear the cock popping back out of your ass just before you typed this longwinded faggified post"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nWE\n\nWUZ\n\nASHUR\n\nMUTHAFUGGAAAAAA"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nyou must think about penis a lot"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nhng more please"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe God of the Quran is the most self-assured.\n\n>39. So if you have a strategy, use it against Me.\n\n>15. He has no fear of consequences."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\natheism\nScience is so fucking metal and awesome"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nyou forgot your question marks at the end of your statement"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">I know that I hung\n>on a wind-battered tree\n>nine long nights,\n>pierced by a spear\n>and given to Odin,\n>myself to myself,\n>on that tree\n>whose roots grow in a place\n>no one has ever seen.\n\nI really like Odin. I know it's a bit of a meme but there's just something about the Havamal that is so cool."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nZoroastrianism predates all semitic cultures by at least two millennia."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAli is pretty cool"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Havamal\nMost relevant thing I've read in years. Good choice!"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nLiterally the second culture in human history was semitic, are you retarded"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nkek"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhat's the source of this?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nTesticles, usually"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI really like that one with the holy cuckerino, pretty epic ngl."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nGreenberg. The same guy that tried to gay up the Catholic church decades ago."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJudaism\n\n>God is invisible spirit\n>chose certain people to teach the world about Him\n>God leads them out of slavery\n>Those people get stronger\n>They only use religion to benefit themselves and enslave others\n>God gets angry and destroys them and scatters them all over the world so that everyone on Earth will be afraid\n>Everyone on Earth ignores the warning and continues in sin\n>God sends His only son to atone for all the sins\n>They still reject the atonement and blood of Jesus God's son to this day\n\nHell exists, and it's not going to end well. Accept God's grace before it is too late."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nNot true, sperm comes from the testicles, semen comes from the seminal vesicle.\n>>24\nGreenberg who? Did he just make it up?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nYeah basically. All of his writings are taken out of context. The closest thing he wrote is that Jesus had a foot fetish because he washed poor people's feet as an act of humility."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>Did he just make it up?\nSorcerers were considered feminine, magic was the domain of women but Óðinn still practiced it. This guy found the most degenerate folklore relating to such sorcerers and applied it to Óðinn."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the name of Malikbaal, Baalshamun and Aglibaal"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\n>God is invisible spirit\n>chose certain people to teach the world about Him\n>God leads them out of slavery\n>Commands chosen people to enslave all who lives in their “chosen land”\n>Orders them to all who resists along with their children and infants, with the exception of virgin girls\n>They only use religion to benefit themselves and enslave others\n>God gets angry and destroys them and scatters them all over the world so that everyone on Earth will be afraid\n>Everyone on Earth ignores the warning and continues in sin\n>God sends His only son to atone for all the sins\n>They still reject the atonement and blood of Jesus God's son to this day\nFixed that"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>This guy found the most degenerate folklore relating to\nWhere is it stated that women drink cum to gain magic? That's your claim."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThey have Semitic names but Perso-Roman art styles?Are those names attestable on that art piece?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nanything that isn't an ethnic religion is disgusting and unnatural"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>Perso-Roman\nGreco-roman art comes from the middle east"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nEvidence? It just sounds like you're an ignorant supremacist when you make blank statements like that."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\n>chosen land\nIt is important to note that it WAS chosen but since the covenant with God was broken, it no longer is.\n\n[Rev 11:8 KJV] 8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nYou have no idea how retarded you are."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nI'm sorry but youre actually retarded\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalizing_period"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nIt actually wasn't. There's no precedent for it even in the text. The dates are all off for one. For two the land had always existed under another polity.\n\n>>38\nThe article is an outright fabrication. The Syrians were non-existent at the time, the Phoenicians had taken their art from southeastern Europe rather than the reverse (and had already existed in similar fashion some six thousand years prior in the Balkans), the Assyrians barely moved westward and never conquered the Levant. Neo-Assyria is what it is referencing and they were never an artistic dynamo. In fact, their power collapsed after about one (1) century.\n\nThe Egyptians are the only group that the Greeks had taken artistic cues from, and they did take quite a bit from them."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>There's no precedent for it even in the text.\n\n[Psa 128:5 KJV] 5 The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life.\n\nNot to mention the historical events surrounding it."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>20\nwas this written by a Jew?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThere is no precedent. Nobody talks about an Israeli or Judah kingdom. Those regions were always held by foreign powers and we even know what the small polities around there looked like."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nHis last name is Greenberg. He claimed to believe in Jesus but also claimed that Jesus had a foot fetish and preached to the gays first. Make of that what you will."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nWell, his name is David Greenberg. Take a guess."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>25\nFuck off christfaggot, your imaginary bullshit is easily the most boring imaginary bullshit."}, {"id": 46, "content": "the jewish god happens to be the most autistic"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nthis meme will never make me not laugh"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>31\nThere are plenty of stories along those lines, none of them relate to Óðinn or Norse culture but there may still be some small connection. Magic in Christian Europe was associated with exactly this kind of sexual degeneracy like Satyr plays. Men with big dicks dressed up like animals, acted wild and eventually fucked the audience in an orgy. Later Satyrs became the model for the western pop culture depiction of Satan. Witches would take psychedelics to \"have sex\" with Satan and many different elements would be claimed to be Satan's sperm."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>8\nYou know thinking about gay sex scenes including a pop you wouldn’t know about unless you watched or experienced it when no one mentioned being gay or gay sex is very very gay"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>There are plenty of stories along those lines\nFind a single one. Just one. In this case it should be very easy for you to do then.\n\n>Magic in Christian Europe was associated with exactly this kind of sexual degeneracy like Satyr plays. Men with big dicks dressed up like animals, acted wild and eventually fucked the audience in an orgy\n\nYou are an idiot. I can't tell where you're getting your information from, but I would suggest breaking from it."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>Find a single one. Just one.\nThe Mandrake myth.\nIn our town the other day\nThey hanged a man to make him pay\nFor having raped a little girl.\nAs life departed from the churl\nThe townsfolk saw, with great dismay\nHis organ rise in boldest way\nA sign to all who stood around\n>In the Middle Ages, the association between hanging and penile erection and ejaculation was well appreciated as this was often seen at public executions. A folk superstition of the time held that mandrake plants grew under gibbets where the semen from hanged men had fallen and an etching attributed to Durer shows a hanged man ejaculating.\n>I can't tell where you're getting your information from\nThen you don't know anything. Why pretend you do? What's wrong with your brain? It doesn't even occur to you simply look things up?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>A sign to all who stood around\n>That pleasure e'en in death is found.\nI didn't paste the last line for some reason."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>8\n>>49\nBoth of you are faggots"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">Le Christ lamb of man\n\n>IVPITER OPTIMVS MAXIMVS"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nIt's an image, not a meme. Gb2facebook"}, {"id": 56, "content": "The real Óðinn was a king, poet and sorcerer on the west coast of the Black Sea around 1600 years ago. Nobody contemporary called him Óðinn, these descriptive poetic names like Ásgarður were attributed later. Around a third of the population under his control had Ioninan Greek origins but most were from the east, \"Asia\" or the land of the Ásar.\nThe group called themselves the wolves of Hermes, in the Romanized form that's \"Heruli\" a tribe you can look up Roman descriptions of."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>t. coping christcuck"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nNo, the image is funny. It's just not a meme"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nIt's an image expressing a memetic virus focused on deliberately misrepresenting Christianity."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>42\n>in the text\nI showed you the text\n>ignores it completely\n>goes on to talk about who owned the land first\n\nAccording to scripture, it's not about who got there first but who God will give the land to. If you want to ignore God's Word go ahead."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nPoint taken. I stand corrected"}, {"id": 62, "content": "With the exception that there is no misrepresentation"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>40\n>The LORD shall bless thee out of Zion: and thou shalt see the good of Jerusalem all the days of thy life.\nThe theme is always about Israel/Zion giving fruit, fruit the rest of world enjoys forever. The land itself is not significant except that it's the prophesized origin of blessings that will reach the end of the world. This prophesy came true even if you think of it from a completely secular perspective, even writing itself spread across the world from this origin point."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>56\nI'm pretty sure that story was made up by a Christian monk."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>15\nVery good pick. The God trio of Woe, Will and Wodan is very underrated, if you know what they represent"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nYou're a disgusting fucking retard. Everything you know about Óðinn came to you from Christian monks. You selectively use this argument only when it suits you.\nI even gave you the keyword to look up the history of the tribe from a Roman perspective but you still mindlessly repeat your memes.\nAccording to the Romans a tribe of mercenaries that looked and behaved exactly like \"vikings\" just happened to be exactly where Snorri said they would be doing exactly what he said they would be doing and traversing the rivers of the world on boats. With a clearly Norse name that none of the Romans understand referencing the favourite viking meme, wolves.\nWhen we use modern DNA tests on Icelandic men a third of them just happen to have direct male ancestors in the Black Sea 2-6k years ago exactly like you would predict if Snorri was right.\nBut you know better because you trust the \"science\". You know real thinking is all about mindlessly swallowing mainstream burger propaganda horseshit."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nHoly shit dude settle down. I was mainly referring to the part about Odin being a real person. I trust monks to copy myths down honestly enough but I don't trust their rationalizations about them.\n\nThis is a good video on the subject.\nhttps://youtu.be/h_l33RAAjrg?t=670 [Embed]"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nCope\n\nAlso seethe"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>59\n>deliberately misrepresenting Christianity.\nhow? old testament is God getting unnecessarily angry at many of his subjects for shit they possible couldn't have foresaw. you just say it's misrepresentation because you don't like acknowledging hard truths"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\n>Odin being a real person\nIt doesn't have to be one king. It's better to partially think of it as a person because all the elements are based on people. In the mythology Óðinn embodied regularly as a wandering poet, the archetypes attributed to higher forces emerge based on real people. Snorri was better at thinking like the people that lived what's being talked about than this brainwashed burger is, no matter how much he studies."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nGod getting angry always means the same obvious thing but you deliberately pretend it doesn't. You deliberately avoid understanding the text so you can participate in the circlejerk with your reddit pals.\nWalk off a cliff and you will know the \"anger of God\" at the bottom. Omnipotence doesn't actually care what you do but the rules are set and if you defy them you will face retribution like the ground smashing your skull when you walk off a cliff."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nJust out of curiosity, what country are you from?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nBbc"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>what country are you from?\nhttps://youtu.be/t1DvLI1UH6s [Embed]\nFounded by a man named Herjólfur, the warwolf of Hermes. My area was first settled by a woman named Auður the Deep. She likely knew Plato and Aristotle from her extended family that held lands in parts of England that valued scribes at the time.\nMy direct male line like everyone in my rural area diverged from the R1a line around the Black Sea 4k years ago, around the bronze age collapse."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>63\nThe fruit was the gospel of salvation given through the testament if Jesus Christ. He will return in the flesh, not just metaphorically and bring New Jerusalem with Him."}, {"id": 76, "content": "Most Icelandic names have clear foreign equivalents that are similarly popular. There are exceptions and one of them is Atli, the name of the famous Hun. Turns out one of the more successful Heruli campaigns was as the highest generals under Atilla the Hun. As a result when he died they founded the only Heruli kingdom documented but it only lasted like 50 years."}, {"id": 77, "content": "no\nwait\nus?\nWAIT\nUS\nWAIT DUDE\nUS\nME\nAND US\nUS\nFOR SURE\nUS\nWAIT\nUS\nNOT HIM\nNOT HER\nNOT THEY\nUS!\nWAIT\nno\nwait\nthem\noh well\nus\noh well\nus\ndamn\nus"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nI like to bring up literacy because it's so concrete and pretty much universally considered a blessing. It's like a strand of hair shed from the body of Christ, our flawed minds can look on and understand the single strand of hair. Doing the same with Christ is not so easy."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nIt's actually very easy even children can come to Jesus Christ through the gospel of salvation.\n\n[Mar 9:42 KJV] 42 And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich ever god gives people who post s*yjaks flesh-eating parasites."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nHaving faith is not the same as understanding. A mind with the inherent flaws of flesh can't grasp God. We can look in the general direction and try to approach God in small ways but looking directly at the face of God means your flesh has already burnt away. The literal face of Christ as in the physical body that was incarnated is flesh like ours."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>15\nodin is the single most kino god in history\n>once-proud hero and family man corrupted into le badass anti-hero, shits on his own son for being behind the times\n>still dies a hero's death\n>constantly straddles life and death to learn supernatural wisdom (Havamal, Grimnismal)\n>both a powerful warrior and scheming mastermind\n>gives us the line \"Face me, if only thou canst!\" as he gets revenge on an evil king.\nHow can anyone not love this guy"}, {"id": 83, "content": "The I AM holding court over all the other gods and promising them judgment in psalm 82 is a pretty alpha move. It's marvel universe style one upmanship to come out as the sole self existent being and creator of all other gods"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStupid meme. The Ancient Greeks had a hell (Tartarus)."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nThey also had a pre-flood utopian garden with apples guarded by a snake. It's a desert now."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy personal favorite is Aten. VGH what could have been..."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>39\n>The Syrians were non-existent at the time\nArameans\n>the Phoenicians had taken their art from southeastern Europe\nNo serious scholar believes this\n>the Assyrians barely moved westward\nCultural spheres don't correspond to people groups\n\n\nTL;DR: you're a retard who believe greek culture came out of nowhere and just got stumped by your own stupidity"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>4\n>the good retarded god who hates turtles\n>and the cartoonishly evil deity\n>they fight\n>also, fire\nno thanks, Greeks are much cooler"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>16\n>Poorsia pre-dates Akkad\nyeah, no"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>15\ndead germoid on a stick"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>32\n>Man baffled by the fact the middle east was in fact a cultural crossroads and that, in fact, there were both greek and Persian periods of rulership.\n>>1 (OP)\nZalmoxis is kind of cool.\nBut I like the roman pantheon too.\nBaal is also a cool choice.\nBut the one and only and final choice in my opinion is bound to be Quetzalcoatl/kukulkan.\nGodamn friendly local trickster cunt.\nThat or the Mayan hero twins who are also gods."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nOn a tree technically."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmate im literally a tripfag on /x/ you tell me what god i think is the best\nt. drunk"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy GILGAMESH of course"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>71\nhe destroyed a whole city because people were having non-missionary sex there"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>88\nwhy does he hate turtles? ):"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>88\nYour gods fuck animals and have incest, kek"}, {"id": 98, "content": "There's some iranians or something who worship the devil as a peacock.\nIt's like a millenia old thing too not a modernist larp."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\nAIDS is a result of sodomy. It's the \"anger of God\" by definition. All of reality abhors you as a perversion of life, you're wrong on every level. The story of Sodom reminds you of this and if you had listened you wouldn't have AIDS."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>90\nodin survived his sacrifice"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHindu, East Asian folk religions."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>97\nfirst, i do t worship ancient capeshit. They are just fun\nsecond, BVLL zeus is better deity than \"i am so retarded that i have a goofy evil twin that bullies me :(\""}, {"id": 103, "content": "everyone itt calling Yahweh a sissy forgets that he's the only one that's crazy enough to ask for child sacrifices of his worshippers' literal own children, and who was actually frightening enough that his followers actually carried through with them. based psychopathic retardo god"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShiva\n>Don't worry about it, it will be fun"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nAmericans sacrifice their children to their local tribal deities regularly. I don't understand how you faggots can pretend you have any sort of moral high ground about anything. Are you really this delusional?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>81\nThat is why God came in the flesh as Jesus. Religious people will always be blind since they can't just believe. They need all their vain traditions and works to boast about how they have better xyz and deserve rewards over others."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>103\nthat's Moloch"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>102\nOk but zeus is gay"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nWho was most likely just Yahweh lol"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristianity desu"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe one of NDEs because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And NDErs talk about God running the afterlife and that he/she/it wants us to experience everything we wish to experience eventually in eternity.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 112, "content": "The Norse and Norman White-Christ is the most kino. He's the edgy version of Christ that carries a sword and called for the crusades. Krishna encouraging Arjuna on his chariot is also cool, basically the same thing.\nhttps://youtu.be/gtbbIB776ks [Embed]"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>40\nWas this written by a jew?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>unknown\nyou only say this because you think he's real.\nAll other things being equal, jesus is a comparatively lame god.\n>prophesied to be glorious champion of israel\n>is actually some dumpy peasant on a donkey\n>is prophesied to be a great warlord\n>gets murdered by the government for being a nuisance\n>son of god\n>does a couple of lame magic tricks and nothing more"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIsn't the first half of that meme misleading? Hades doesn't necessarily mean hell in Greek mythology iirc."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNergal\n\n>tfw no underworld dommy mommy to force you into a shotgun wedding"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't Promotheus bamboozled Zeus to let humans get the best cuts of flesh from the sacrificed cattle?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>94\nOP said god, not demigod"}, {"id": 119, "content": "The original Sky Father, everything else is a rip off"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>105\n>Americans sacrifice their children to their local tribal deities regularly.\nIncorrect"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I just finished reading Blood Meridan and was interested in learning about the west. any recommendations? The extent of my knowledge comes from wild wild west staring dat nigga from the Oscars"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love this book."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's so good I wish I could recommend it to my friends but it's a little too fucked for normans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>any recommendatios\nempire of the summer moon"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>any recommendations\nyeah\n>>>/reddit/"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>>1 (OP) (OP) #\n>any recommendations\nyeah\n>>>/reddit"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nLooks good downloading it now thanks"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\ni don't"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Hack away you mean red nigger."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have a few based on what you’re looking for. Ranging from the personal to the large scale abstract view\n\n1: journals of a trapper: nine years in the Rocky Mountains.\n2: complete works of Francis Parker junior\n3 the American frontier/ the new west by Fredrick Jackson turner(foundational text)\n4]) forty years on the frontier(personal favorite)\n5 wagons west\n6 Oxford history of the American west(1994)\n7 the way west: true stories of the frontier\n8 soldiers west: biographies from the American frontier"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has anyone ever done this? I respect most of the philosophical positions taken by Christianity, and I believe their liturgical calendar was arranged in an intelligent way based on the solar calendar. I wish to partake in fasting days, penance, Mass (without communion), and the like.\n\nHowever I simply don't believe the bible is the true word of God and do think Christianity has several morally objectionable positions.\n\n>just be Buddhist\nI think Buddhism is fake shit too, for example the idea of 16 different special hells to punish bad boy buddhists, reincarnation in general. And there isnt the community infrastructure for it in the West or a cultural background for it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am a biblical literalist Atheist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhello, troll.\n>most of the philosophical positions taken by Christianity\nsuch as ...? it has none."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nA divine creator being the essence of all things Good\nThe idea of a sinful humanity being cleansed by his avatar, the trinity\nPhilosophical system emphasizing humility, compassion, discipline"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Has anyone ever done this\nyeah literally all of le based tradcaths and those fags who join eastern orthodox churches despite not even being russian"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have a friend who did this, for many years he went to church every sunday and played music on the stage for extra cash. He later told me he was atheist and only doing it to find a gf."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nDon't the euphoric tradcaths tend to accept the moral system wholesale and at least believe they are fit for communion?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mass (without communion)\nWhy not take communion? You don't have to actually believe it's the body of Christ to recognize the importance of tradition.\n\nAlso this is not as uncommon of a practice as you might think."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nyou're joking no?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nFrom my understanding Christians, at least in orthodox schools, believe it is a grave sin to take communion without being fully rectified and ordered toward God. Considering I don't even accept that their religion is the full truth, nor would I confess several of my actions as sin because I do not believe they are sinful, I would avoid communion out of respect"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>Philosophical system emphasizing humility, compassion, discipline\n>leviticus 18:22 and leviticus 25:44"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThose would be examples of positions I do not agree with, I already stated I find several points morally objectionable"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nthey're just people who hate fags, jews, women, but also feel a really gay need to dress it up behind religion since they have literally no other way of connecting to any kind of culture, the religious belief is just an act"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust be a larper, that's what everyone does nowadays."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Why wouldn't you just read philosophy books or something? Why are the religious rituals so important to you?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nI need a little structure and I think the liturgical council and rituals around mainstream religions are a good way to encourage that"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nLiturgical calendar*"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlease do not corrupt the Church with your presence, heathen. Thank you."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nthis\nvery disrespectul OP. unironically"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>>19\nEvery church I’ve looked at says non Catholics can attend if they do not take the eucharist. This is the first I’m hearing of this. I suspect you’re trolling or engaging in some kind of heresy."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust pray and ask for faith."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Former Christian Atheist, I think Christianity is a terrible mindset to have.\n\nChristianity encourages people to be remorseful and shameful of everything you do because youre a sinner and euphoria and pride is bad. It discourages people from improving their lives because youre just going to be heaven soon anyway, which is why Paul teaches slaves to be obedient to their master. If heaven did not exist, everything in the NT would fall apart.\n\n>the idea of 16 different special hells to punish bad boy buddhists, reincarnation in general\nI dont know what Buddhism teaches, but ironic punishment is best moral lesson there is. If you are pervert, then you will be reborn as Puritan in a sex-obsessed world to learn about the faults of being a pervert. If you are rich, you will reborn poor. In Christianity, you burn in Hell without learning anything.\n\ninb4 seething Christcuck spouting\n>you misunderstood the point of Christianity. nothing you said is correct\n\n>>9\n99% of the Bible's Lessons are:\n>trust God. Love God. Be faithful to God\n>Love love love kindness love\n\nsource: https://dailyverses.net/top-100-bible-verses"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nJust become a catholic. There's a decent amount of people who practice the religion but don't actually believe the metaphysical claims, and the theatre is quite comfy\nt. raised catholic, now agnostic"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're an atheist you can adopt whatever morals you want. If you like some of the Christian morals then adopt them. Christians don't own that shit.\n\nOr you could be a full-blown Christian atheist where you follow the teachings of Christ because you think they're good teachings, but you just don't believe that he was divine, and you don't believe in God."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>99% of the Bible's Lessons are:\n>trust God. Love God. Be faithful to God\n>Love love love kindness love\n\nAh yes, God and love, which have never ever been objects of philosophy, ever. nope\nAlso other Christian stuff that has never been object of philosophy:\n'Creatio ex nihilo'\n'ipsum esse subsistens'\nEschatological sense of history and philosophies of History in general\nthe problem of faith\nthe matter of ethical communities\nblah blah blah\n\nI don't know where this meme of \"religion is nothing more than a mindset or a set of moral claims that might or might not be useful\" comes from but it's seriously starting to piss me off. A religious text is not a self-help book. And there's a whole other bunch of shit, like the conviction that religious texts can be debunked as if they were an essay because there are contradictions or \"God is le cruel\" I mean it's just literal fedora shit.\nthere's literally nothing wrong with being an atheist, seriously. but, for real, people have to stop acting like they know what they're talking about when in fact they don't."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I wish to partake in fasting days, penance, Mass (without communion), and the like.\nWhy? No reason to do all this if you don't truly believe it."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>10\nThen why go to mass in the first place?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI go to a church and I am basically an atheist.\nI have found that a church has been a wonderful tool to have developed a community that accepts me as I am. I now have friends that get me. I have people to get together with every now and then it’s been really nice."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>20\nI'm the one who suspects that it's you who's trolling. Reasons:\n1) you're talking like religion is this cute interesting thing that is ultimately devoid of any real substance of its own, trivial. Your intention to dip your toes into sacred issues as a well-mannered \"tourist\" has obvious sinister undertones. I think this is intentional and you're trying to provoke\n2) the fedora pic\n\nbtw, i'm not saying atheists can't attendceremonies in general. Everyone's welcome in a church, obviously, and there's nothing wrong with this. but that declaration of intentions changes things, and reveals a fundamentally askew point of view. If you are, in fact, not trolling, then I think you're an arrogant guy and i'll assume the pic in OP is a faithful representation of yourself"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>>27\nMass is just comfy. Also I feel like itd encourage me to fix a lot of shit I dont have the moral character to fix on my own. I can't really think of another organization that provides those things in a setting that feels earnest and serious."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>1) you're talking like religion is this cute interesting thing that is ultimately devoid of any real substance of its own, trivial.\nWell I don't mean to come across that way, why would I want attend to and adhere to it if I think it's entirely without substance? I just don't feel dogmatically convinced.\n>Your intention to dip your toes into sacred issues as a well-mannered \"tourist\" has obvious sinister undertones. I think this is intentional and you're trying to provoke\nWell, again, I apologize if it comes off that way. In what manner would you expect someone who is interested in what the faith has to say act?\n>2) the fedora pic\nThat's just my sense of humor."}, {"id": 32, "content": "Well then you inside yourself believe in paganism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You will go the Dagobah System. There you will learn from Yogoda, the NKVD master who instructed me."}, {"id": 2, "content": "MOMMA MIA THEY BURNIN-A THE GRAIN-A"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey burned the grain"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Have you ever heard the story of Joe \"Man of Steel\" Stalin? It's not a story the trotskyists would tell you."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nhe looks kinda like charlie chaplin in this picture"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe face of a man who did absolutely, positively nothing wrong, no matter how much Trotskyites or Ukrainians would like to say otherwise."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you serious? Yagoda sucked Stalins dick and was absolutely cucked by him. But yeah I prefer Stalinism to ultra super gay american liberalism."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe cute\n\nboth him and Hitler were handsome in their twenties"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the full picture of the \"Heartland Theory\" ?\n\nThe \"Heartland Theory\" was a strategic analisys about world domination devised in UK, which identified as the inner areas of Russia the key for controlling the whole world.\n\nHow much of it was/is real and accurate?\nHow much of it was only a pretext to justify the destabilization of all europe and the instigation of two world wars?\nHow much of this theory still moved international decisions in the recent present?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>devised in UK,\ninto the trash it goes"}, {"id": 3, "content": "For who instead knows really nothing:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_theory"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">How much of it was only a pretext to justify the destabilization of all europe and the instigation of two world wars?\nThat question would be better addressed to Germany"}, {"id": 5, "content": "This geopolitical theory seems highly influenced and inspired by the anglo obsession with power projection outside their nation over other lands and other people\nIt's like they are paranoid, as in:\n>\"If we don't control all the world, then, someone else is going to control all the world, then, we are going to get enslaved and tortured and culturally subverted and subjected to all the things we regularly did to others all around the world, oh no\""}, {"id": 6, "content": "And then the americans inherited this conflict based view of the world, to further cause more and more conflicts"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Uh... You need to control Siberia to win because... Because you just do, okay?!?\nretarded anglo meme"}, {"id": 8, "content": "I'm no expert but the \"Marginal\" Crescendo seems to be real Heartland, at least in terms of economics, cities, populations, and not just now but also as far back as antiquity.\nMongols and other powers that appeared in the \"Heartland\" area were only temporary. Most of the real power was outside that.\n\nIronically all these maps seem very similar to the modern Russian nationalist concept of \"Great Tartary\" where they theorize sort past Russian Empire in that same area that was erased from history."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nFascism in Italy was a british creation\nDo you want to get into the rabbit hole of who funded the nazi party in germany?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>Ironically all these maps seem very similar to the modern Russian nationalist concept of \"Great Tartary\"\nIt's not a coincidence\nThe guy who came up with this schizo theory of world domination also inspired Dugin, an other schizo theorist of world domination, but Russian\nAleksandr Dugin is the one credited to have devised the current national and strategic identity of the russian military forces"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>who funded the nazi party in germany?\nWho indeed"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIts obviously utter bullshit considering for centuries power depended on controll of sea trade roures and naval power, even the brittish temselves built a empire based arround these\n\nThing is the brittish were allways parranoid about russian land power, this is why they fought in afganistan and fucked arround in china, the fear was that if russia captures central asia it can treathen india and enter into china, and then brittain as a naval power wouldnt have a way to dislodge them\nMind you russia had a similar idea, its simply than irl things arent that simple and inland empires are notoriously difficult to maintain\nA similar fuckup can be observed in the scramble for africa, 90% of all colonial possesions in africa from 1820is till the 1950 were just painted blobs on maps that yielded nothing and were just financial sinkholes, because realisticaly wtf are you going to do with a million miles of overgrown literaly nothing arround a mountain range\nThis essentialy was the same issue with most of brazil, canada, australia, siberia, the american west up till the 1870is, greenland, etc, etc...\n\nNow, in comparison, look at the dutch empire\nMost people never heard of it yet it was one of the most sucessfull and most profitable imperial possesions for centuries, the fuck did they give about 'pivot areas' or whatnot, all that mattered were 'culture products' and sea routes\nSame thing with the portugese empire, other than brazil most of theyr other possesions were pinpointed trade harbors\n\nAny way, its bullshit, its like saying if you inherit a thousand square miles of utah youll suddenly be rich and powerfull just because 'pivot area heartland', its nonsensical to autistic levels"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuh heartland. Russians should focus on ethnic expansion."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nThis was a lived reality for many Euro countries, especially UK."}, {"id": 15, "content": "legitimately make no fucking sense, and doesn't even attempt to. The only time the \"heartland\" has ever been controlled by the most powerful empire on earth was in the time of the Mongols"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nIt's angloism. They'd rather destroy the world than acknowledge their retardation."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliteral schizo rambling"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>unknown\nIf this was about the USA and its incredible geographic position and riches it would be more believable but the utter nonsense of Siberia and Central Asia being some kind of heartland poising its wielder for world domination goes against even basic geographical determinism tenets, like how defensible your positions is and how facile is your access to the world ocean. Honestly this sounds more like a creative rant to justify anti-Russian/Soviet sentiment from the author so he gets more attention."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis shitpost of a geopolitical theory from Mackinder really snowballed into a whole shitshow for way over a century\n\nIt starts with just claiming inner Russia holds the recipe for world domination, (sounce? I just feel like it's true, trust me bro this would be scary if it was true...)\nthen some dumbass called Hitler takes it seriously (or maybe he was instructed and financed to play along that narrative) and invades russia making a mess of all europe on the course of it,\nthen USA comes in, after the previous dumbass has made a mess out of europe, to force a military alliance (NATO) to fulfill the fateful role of containing the russian \"\"\"recipe for world domination\"\"\", by installing american military bases all over europe and not only\nthen as an extra USA just coups and causes terrorism in any nation showing hints of a national government not supporting the american fateful role of savior of the world from the \"\"potential world dominator\"\"\n\nWhat a shit show"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\n>all that mattered were 'culture products' and sea routes\nAny easy explaination about \"culture products\"?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>8\n>>15\n>>19\nThe point of Heartland Theory is to try and contextualize Russo-British conflict. It's not supposed to actually explain the world, but rather to give the British empire a language by which they can discuss conflict with Russia. Similar theories existed in Russia at the time, and still do (really, no one outside of Russia takes it seriously) for the exact same reason. It's advantageous for both imperial powers to be speaking the same language to facilitate engaging with politics in a manner that is understandable for both parties.\n\nUS geopolitics is not motivated by heartland theory, it's motivated by the Diaspora-Jew vs Zionist-Jew conflict."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYou've got it all wrong. It's explicitly meant to determine the ideal center of power in the world. It's in the name. It has nothing to do with particularizing relationships, or even establishing relationship notions."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>It's explicitly meant to determine the ideal center of power in the world\nNo, it wouldn't. That's the entire point. The ideal center of power in the world is London. That's the entire reason for the theory: to give the British Empire the language to speak about conflict with Russia."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>evil russia is super powerful and will gobble up every country in the whole world except britain if britain doesnt create a vast empire to keep it in check\nSounds like language to discuss conflict with Russia to me."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nYou're an idiot. He straight up calls the ideal region the pivot upon which geopolitics is centered. It's the fulcrum of political activity on an international level.\n\n>>24\nIt describes everyone else who ruled it as well. Mongols, Scythians, etc etc."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nRight, and if Russia isn't stopped, it will use its position as \"fulcrum of political activity\" take over the world, so Britain has to acquire power of the \"inner or marginal crescent\" to keep Russia at bay.\n\nSee how that works?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nYou are a fucking idiot."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nYour concession is accepted."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nInteresting coping mechanism."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\n>russia\n>ideal center of power in the world\nHe said in English."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nGeographically speaking. Obviously the master race spawned in Albion, God's chosen land residing his chosen people."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll the self-serving bullshit theory aside, what really bothers me is how the anglos decided by themselves to call eurasia with this weird \"world-island\" name, which is pretty cringe as name\nWhat does that makes england in comparison? the \"ant-island\" ? the \"bunch of faggots island\" ? the \"minor-island\" ?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32 #\nLoving the seethe. You useless cucks weren't even useful as slaves,hence decolonization. Can't imagine being so useless."}, {"id": 34, "content": "That's retarded. Central Russia is fucking useless, the breadbasket of Europe has been Ukraine/the Black Sea coast since ancient history"}, {"id": 35, "content": "This one seems to be a more feels-good version\nBasically atlantism"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What is the full picture of the \"Heartland Theory\"\nIt explains modern geopolitics quite accurately."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nIn hindsight, because the Heartland Theory was suggested in 1904, before both world wars,\nso it's more like the current events are a result of this self-fulfilling prediction and the context which originated it"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nIts so popular that it influenced American grand strategy about world geopolitics. They are clearly trying to make Eurasians fight each other while securing atlantic and pacific oceans. They are denying any ability to invade America."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>They are clearly trying to make Eurasians fight each other while securing atlantic and pacific oceans.\nThat's an other way to see it, which makes sense, they are diverting the attention away from their main channel of outreach around the world and away from their source of military and economic effectiveness,\ndiverting the attention towards a land with little sea access, to keep the attention away from the sea itself over which they have control"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>29\nInteresting coping mechanism."}, {"id": 41, "content": "This sounds retarded, for the vast majority of history people have naturally lived in the coasts or big rivers close to the coast. The only time people moved inland were to avoid pirates and invaders, or because they needed more land for natural resources and farming. Even the US, with its vast natural resources, still has a majority of its population on the coasts of the ocean or Great Lakes. How is Siberia the key to world power exactly?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>unknown\nRussia doing anything."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\nRed looks more like places where anglojews could never impose his dominance rather than some magic place where whoever controls it dominate the world.\n\nAlso, that's not key to them at all. Key to them is keeping the \"rimland\" vassalized and divided, conflicted within itself and dependant on the \"global institutions\"."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would holding an unproductive and harsh land help you conquer the planet?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>18\nAccess to oceans doesn't matter for a land-power. Think the mongols lamented their inability to do sea trade? That main point is that the sea powers will eventually be overcome by land powers, for a number of reasons. Take Napoleon for instance (a land power), how did he deal with the brittish? He simply cut them off from trading. The empire of the heartland, once big enough, could just cut off the rest of the world, and become the first true world-ruler in history. Not sure I agree but that's the gist of it."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nIf these models have any merit, it all boils down to heartland vs sea power in a contest for the rimland. So far it's 1-0 sea power."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nMost of geopolitics and this heartland theory more visibly, are not predictions or serious analisys of reality, but only attempts to create self-fulfilling prophecies to justify already existing plans and courses of action\nThey feel similar to historical falsifications, but done in advance rather than in the past"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nUS geopolitics isn't motivated by concerns about \"Eurasia\", it's motivated by the conflict between Zionist and Diaspora Jews. The former (Zionist Jews) are actually in favor of a unified \"Eurasia\", hence why they promote theories like this, whereas the latter (accurately) recognize that Russia is a European power with a vast colonial empire.\n\n>>41\n>>44\nAs has been already mentioned, the theory exists to create a language that conflict between the British and Russian empires can be discussed."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LIhNgsQoc [Embed]\n\nMeme theory. The motivations are much more simple."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nThe US is blatantly using Atlanticist notions of centering power around it's Ocean. France, Britain, and the US had already basically made it public over a century ago. jews really don't do anything other than provide a dumping ground in the Levant along with an airbase for lashing out. Greece is probably more important.\n\nThe theory has massive ramifications leading back to ancient times so it's not just pertaining to Britain and Russia. There was a separate theory already developed that centered Iran as the pivot of British Russo relations, but that was dropped by WW2."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nWhat a retarded post lmfao\n\n>>47\nThe pro-heartland response is just that the US is neo-Britain and that missiles and aircraft are just stand-ins for boats used by the sea-power."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFun how the theory was derived in the UK, which by that point had built the most dominant World Empire in history based on control of the seas."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's real, but in the wrong continent. The real heartland that guarantees world domination is the Mississippi/Missouri basin."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>20\n\nBasicaly they realised they cant tax the locals in money or force them all to grow monoculture cashcrops like on plantations cause theyd starve, so instead they taxed them in things like coffee and cinamon and such and so on\nThis resulted in people having to grow tons of shit they had to just give over to the GWC but the GWC just got it for free, there was no end to the money\nBut yea, they should of worried about, like, Irkutsk instead"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere an article from 2022 which seems to be still taking this \"theory\" seriously and using it to interpret history and recent developments..\nThey also created a lot of more maps...\n\nhttps://asiatimes.com/2022/04/ukraine-and-the-battle-for-eurasia/\nhttps://archive.fo/44Xqy"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>asiatimes"}, {"id": 57, "content": "The thing is th is\"Heatland\" is already starting to be ruled more by China than being a power of its own thing."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>45\n\nExcept it literaly dosent work that way, just, technicaly\nThings might, might, shift in the future due to infrastructural and technological development, but as things stand inland empires are a clusterfuck of logistical nightmares and geostrategic uberayzung that are practicaly impossible to maintain and russia is truly remarcable in that even lasted this long, which again is mostly due to the fact its comprised of mostly fucking nothing"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>unknown\n\nLook, geostrategicaly this is what is basicaly been happeningfor the last 20 years\nExcept then suddenly it dosent because political formations change and suddenly one side is no longer on the same side etc...\nBasicaly all these theories assume if no atlantic power controlls a thing everyone else will just cinsolidate into a monolithic block arround it\nExcept they dont, if anything they fight over it\nThe thing is this theory is hopelesly 'modernist', as in it just assumes exponential growth like its a 4x game\nNot that trese plans are not even being enacted\nTheres several of them\nIt makes sense, make a big ling infrastructural thing from hong kong to amsterdam and you joined the whole of the oldworld and everythings wonderfull, basicaly its a continuation of the silk trade route geostrategy, its just that if shit was that simple they would have built it by now"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThe whole idea of\nrail roads > sea routes\nis extremely flawed in its very premise\n\nBecause a sea doesn't require maintenance as medium of travel, you just drop a ship in the sea, and then the ship goes wherever, you don't need to \"build the sea route\" for the ships to travel there\n\nRailroads are infrastructures which need maintenance and also protection, both bringing in a cost to upkeep them, it just takes a single little attack to damage a railroad and interrupt the movement across it, damaging the optimal speed of travel if it was complete, and you also need to build the railroad to start with before anything can move along it\n\nShipping travel may be more slow than a train, but it's a lot more cheap and flexible"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nShipping is a bit of a limit on power projection, because it can be interdicted by another naval power and coasts are easily defensible. During WWII, America found it extremely difficult to bring anything heavier than a Sherman to Europe, which gave Germany a bit of an advantage in the European theater."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n\nSure butits the same thing with land routes, i mean for a land route to have the same ramification as a sea route you need major infrastructural projects, meaning you just spent a gorrillion eurodorals or whatever to connect wuhan to berlin trough tajikistan or whatever, and then the whatever happens and suddenly tajikistan isnt cooperating any more, so then you need to cause a war, but the whadayouknow, all the gorillion infrastructure just got blown up to a million shitty bits, and then you start the 20 year process all over and so on\nI mean its not like people havent been trying to pull this off for endless centuries, whadoyou think all those karavansarays were all about?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nA navy and merchant fleet is also a major investment. Imperial Japan, for example, was completely hamstrung in its war against China due to the IJN's demands for steel, oil, and budget that could have been used to build a modern tank force and enough infantry to hold the frontiers.\nAlso, in the heartland theory the heartland empire is supposed to have more direct control over the heartland than, say, China has over Tajikistan."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n\nTrue\nBut you can still smuggle more vy sea routes even past blocades than you canby land routes but thats neithernore\nIt does explain a lot about how much shit all to he various global and regional powers were willing to go trough over abject piles of barren rock in the last 70 years"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nRailroads are extremely efficient in getting troops and supplies places. Sure you can bomb the railroads, but you can bomb ports too. Railroads are easy to repair and you can fall back on roads and backup railroads. Plus, before cold-war style air power it's practically impossible for the sea powers to even touch the heartland's interior railroads."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n\nActualy railroad lines are notoriously easy to break up, what with explosives or piling up truncks and rocks or even just dragging them out with enough horse power, its practicaly impossible to keep them safe and no matter how fast you repair them whoever wants to can just fuck with them again and again and theres practicaly nothing you can do about it\nToday with shit like acu-powered powertoolsyou dont even need explosives"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nYes, but all of those things require actually being next to the railroad. And even if someone does that, you can just repair the railroad because it's an extremely simple thing."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n\nBut thats the thing, because its such a extremely simple thing its extremely simple to sabotage it\nAnd sure you can 'easily repair it' but that takes more resource than to just fuck it up again in five places\nAdd to that if you fuck up the rail while the train is comming you just derailed a whole composition, so fix that\nThere were situations like that, not just ww2, if any semiorganised armed force wants to screw with your railroads theres nothing less than a all out region wide antiguerrila campaign that will even slow them down\nAnd if youre talking about 'heartland' geopolitics then thats thousands uppon thousands of miles of rail, how in fuck will you protect it\nAnd now translate that into powerli es, or fucking pipelines, pipelines anon, i mean think about it"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nThe problem with that is the other army needs to actually get to the railroads to sabotage them. The railroads carrying supplies are behind the front line and surrounded by both human and geographic terrain. A heartland empire would ideally ensure that the heartland is friendly human terrain to it, so any long-range commandos trying to sabotage railways would be both slowed down by geographic and human terrain and spotted by human terrain. They'd be destroyed, taking huge losses for marginal gain. That's why the various incarnations of Russia haven't really had much problem relying on long railroads for war. They've had other problems, but not that one. And even Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, which famously had problems with partisans, were able to use China's and Russia's railroads to supply their troops despite occasional sabotage.\n\nMeanwhile, the sea is defined by absence of terrain. Submarines and commerce raiders can interdict and sink convoys unless escorts and asw teams protect the shipping."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n\nHow would they protect pipelines tho, all you need to fuck with a pipeline is a handcrank drill and a can of petroll\nIn fact people continuously steal crude oil from pipelunes just by openi g them up here and there"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n1. Prevent civilians from sabotaging pipelines by having functional law enforcement and a legitimacy over them. Russia, America, and a ton of other countries manage this just fine. Nigeria famously fails at doing this, but they are not a functional country and would have millions of worst problems if they went to war.\n2. Prevent commandos from sabotaging pipelines by watching frontiers and identifying, tracking, and killing the commandos.\n3. Prevent bombers from bombing pipelines by maintaining control over airspace.\nEmpirically, this works just fine."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>51\n>What a retarded post lmfao\nExplanieren fucko."}, {"id": 73, "content": "This is one of the best threads wewe had on /his/ in a year"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nControlling the outer islands has clearly been more important to controlling the world."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How much of it was/is real and accurate?\nNone"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>unknown\n>rimland\nmore like rimjob"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nTariq what are you doing in those shady gay raceplay sites."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>unknown\nMost of that land is fucking useless, no?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nTBF no one really lives in the ocean either. I'd say that the real best rule of geopolitics is Wallerstein's world-systems theory. Power comes from the places where money is made."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who's the most famous ancestor you got?\nMy grandma keeps sending me proof of how we are related to the Romanovs one day and a direct descendant of Charlemagne the next.\nHow can I break it to her gently that everyone and their uncle is related to royalty in some way?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy great great great grandfather"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Who's the most famous ancestor you got?\nKing David.\nBut of those I can trace myself to, probably my grandfather because he wrote some books and met famous people. I've traced my family tree on many lines back to the 1700s and found a total of 88 ancestors, but it seems none of them were remotely famous.\n\n>How can I break it to her gently that everyone and their uncle is related to royalty in some way?\nEveryone's related to royalty, but few people know exactly how. If your grandmother has proof you should take a close look into it and try to confirm or disconfirm it yourself."}, {"id": 4, "content": "My grandfather did war crimes in Vietnam"}, {"id": 5, "content": "im icelandic so i could pick pretty much any random icelander from the past and i'd have a connection to them\nbut probably Leifur Eiríksson or Egill Skallagrímssson"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWithout giving too much away, mostly protestant missionaries and explorers. There are monuments and place names all over the world that bare my families name"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n*bear"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy father's paternal familial line claims we're descendants of Eadric the Wild, an anglo-saxon magnate of shropshire and herefordshire who led english resistance to the norman conquest in 1068–70."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nWe have the oldest records so we also have the most documented connections to kings out of anyone, this kind of documentation used to be the most valuable resource in the world. We have all the recent kings of Europe, all English and Nordic royalty, Karlings, all the Normans on both ends, their forefathers and descendants, even fucking Trump."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nyou are R1b L21 and your ancestors did not evne marry into the Anglo tribe."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>you are R1b L21\nMost likely since they came from Shropshire and Mercia was more of a melting pot than any of the kingdoms on the eastern side of england\n>and your ancestors did not evne marry into the Anglo tribe\nWrong on all accounts"}, {"id": 12, "content": "my grandfather was mozat"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Blind faith in science is the hubris of humanity."}, {"id": 2, "content": "he sits on that rock like he's on a toilet"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>my alternative?\n>worshipping semitic charlatans and pedophilic warlords of course!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhats blind about it?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>he doesn’t know about unfalsifiable scientific theories and the nature of truth"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScience doesn’t require faith."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>theories\n>blind faith\nDo you know what \"theory\" means?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblind faith in anything is the hubris of humanity. lots of tragedies happened because of retards believing 100% in something, whether it was extremist political factions, holy wars, incorrect scientific theories causing famines and all kinds of mass suffering, it all requires at least one retard who is absolutely sure of himself and wont accept anything else. /his/ wont like this answer because it isnt typical fedora/christcuck baiting"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nSome people have faith in reason and the scientific method as the primary vehicles to bring humanity into some advanced state"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople don't \"have faith\" of any sort in science. People rather see that science provides the practical material benefits that religious faith and various other sorts of woo bullshit used to claim to provide way back when. And so people go to the doctor for help when they are ill or injured, for example, instead of trying a potion they bought from the local shaman, or praying as the priest instructed them to.\n\nScience works, that's why we trust it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>red herring\n>straw man\n>b8\n>>4\n>>6\nFalsification cannot work even in principle. Experimental results are not a simple facts obtained directly from nature."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIf by people, you mean annoying twitter shitlibs, sure. The rest of us simply recognize that science produces useful results. What we use those results for is up to us as individuals."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYes it can and yes they are."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nUhh what? Falsification works as part of the process by which a hypothesis is either accepted or rejected as a viable explanation of a given phenomenon. Now granted, all scientific knowledge is ultimately tentative, but this still works better than trying to cast magic spells, say."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>>10\nNewton's laws were retained despite the fact that they were contradicted for decades by the motions of the perihelion of Mercury and the perigee of the moon. Yet the sheeple clung with blind faith because they couldn’t fathom the alternative to their false dichotomy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nSensible but boring opinion."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nAre you attempting to say something insightful? Realism and naturalism are true. The laws of the universe are true and you can’t escape regardless of your special pleading."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThey are still used because they are useful. People built combustion engines with those laws you autist. As the saying goes \"every model is wrong, but some are useful\"."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncope"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\nblind faith in science bad, blind faith in ancient desert texts preaching to have the answers to all universal questions good"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nscience is a false god"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nyou worship a Jew"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\n>Realism and naturalism are true\nProof?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\n>Naturalism\nnaturalism is narrow-minded and fallicious\n>Realism\nReality isn’t locally real"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">Reality isn’t locally real"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\nSee>>18\nScience is useful, first and foremost. It gets closer to the truth of how physical reality actually works than superstition does, but that's not the main reason why we depend on it so much."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>>Reality isn’t locally real\nYou are either retarded, trolling, or both."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThe actual meaning of the quip is that there is action at a distance. Anon is using his misunderstanding of it as a way of telling you that scientists supposedly say dumb things."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Guess this means we should think this universe's cause died on a cross 2000 years ago, then un-died"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell let me tell you sir\nI fucking love science"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>6\nWrong, science requires faith to formulate new hypotheses to conduct the scientific method. You cannot create a computer that performs the scientific method because it requires a living brain (which uses the other side of the brain, the side with faith on it) to come up with new theories. This shows a complete lack of understanding of science when people think they don’t need the other side of their brain and are ready tp just be uploaded to the nether in Minecraft.\n>>1 (OP)\nScience helps us but it is only used as a last resort to understand the world. Which is where it works best. It is at its worst when allowed to rule the world on the right hand and on the forehead."}, {"id": 32, "content": "The genuine Science does not need faith. It is of direct experience."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlind faith is antiscience. Modern science has become religion."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nDirect experience is impossible"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is 110 years considered a single lifetime?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot really"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n75-80 years. Most people I know that didn't do intentionally stupid things to endanger their health like smoking and drinking usually live that long assuming they never die of disease."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "redpill me on concessions"}, {"id": 2, "content": "white pussy"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I've been trying for some time to understand what it is, but I'm not very good at reading."}, {"id": 4, "content": "So the way I get it a concession is a business deal between a company/corporation and a government.\n>United Fruit Company would partner with President Bonilla in the exchange of access and control of Honduran natural resources plus tax and financial incentives. In return, President Bonilla would receive cooperation, protection and a substantial amount of U.S. capital to build a progressive infrastructure in Honduras."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nMust be the early name of \"interest groups influence\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBusinesses that often times fuck up and made the empire bail their ass out or take over unwillingly. Basically imagine if your son got into deep shit or took on more debt than he can handle and made you bail him out."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nMy take on it is not a universal one at all, but it wasn't rare either."}, {"id": 8, "content": "So it seems to be something like they go into the land and say to the chief of the village, hey you have this shithole here you want a nice fancy railroad don't you, we'll build it for you if you give us the exclusive right to all this land here *points on map*, and let us use your people as laborers. Then they go in and make plantations, and earn a lot of money from them, which let's them pay for the whole endeavor, they might have started off with a bank loan or a sum from the government back home or whatever, or they had cash themselves to get started. The thing though is the whole \"you don't bite the hand that feeds you\" thing, the local governments/chiefs probably think it's a sweet deal and don't see it coming that they're actually being taken over by the outside entities. This is a common tactic in government, to scoop out money to wherever you want to control, and is probably the whole purpose of foreign aid. I could go into the dynamics of it but I'm not going to bother, just take my word for it, subsidies, grants, handouts of all kinds are a control tool."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>United Fruit Company"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nthat was not enlightening or relevant at all"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>can I get a some sheegonugges with a Bonilla Milshay?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "idk but apparently the JFK memorial at Runnymede is a land concession to the United States right in the middle of the UK"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\ndon't think that's the same sense of the word"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuy a dictionary and look the word up retard."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nfuck off"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nnaw apparently its a territorial concession, as in there's an extremely tiny plot of land in the middle of the UK that was given to the USA after JFK died as an act of good will to the US or whatever."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nyeah dumbass, that's the second meaning, I'm talking about the first"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nits talking about concessions from retarded niggers like yourself retard nigger"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>its talking about concessions from retarded niggers\nIn Ops pic it failed and the empire had to pick it up."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\nConcessions basically means the government gave these companies what they needed to thrive. Allowing them to grow without the government being a threat to them, giving them a free reign to expand and recruit/enslave the population, no doubt that government would also gain (corrupt rulers, getting paid) from these concessions"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>corrupt rulers\ndefine corrupt"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>define corrupt\nLining their pockets through comfy agreements with these companies at the expense of the destruction and enslavement of the indigenous populations that they were supposed to protect.\nDon't get me wrong, I am not complaining this is how the world has always worked. But this is corruption"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\ncorruption is a meaningless concept"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the context of the British South Africa Company's administration of Rhodesia, a concession referred to an agreement in which the Company was granted the right to explore or exploit a certain area of land or its resources, such as minerals or timber, in exchange for payment or other considerations. These concessions were often negotiated with local chiefs or leaders, and they allowed the Company to expand its territory and economic interests."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>define corrupt\na crime being concealed by deception\nthe crime often involving theft or misuse of funds assigned for a different use"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>11\nI do this whenever I get fast food even though I'm white and English is my first language"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Post historical /fa/"}, {"id": 2, "content": "oh great another thread about whites"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nnot their fault they have the warrior spirit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nGo make a thread about all the times your pipo of culture have had their asses kicked puta"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThere is plenty of non-white /fa/, you retarded baiter."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nis there?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNope, none at all actually. You're right in that ONLY white people have ever had a good sense of fashion\n>>7\nLet him think about it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nkek seethe more"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow post Mountbatten"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nfeel free to post the traditional loincloths of your ancestors"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n*Domes you with a beanbag*"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nWhy are my fellow browns like this? Why have I been spared this brainrotting resentment?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nit's hostility driven by inferiority complex. the bigger the chip on one's shoulder, the angrier they are."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Sup"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nSad!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nUm, sweetie…"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Mary Flora Bell, the \"Tyneside Strangler\" became the youngest serial killer in UK history when, at just 11 years old and with the help of a friend strangled to death two preschool-aged boys in Newcastle-upon-Tyne in 1968. Ultimately freed from juvenile detention in 1980, she went on to have a daughter of her own and both were granted pseudonyms to protect their identities. In 1998 a biography called Cries Unheard: The Story of Mary Bell was published. There was a furore in the press when it was discovered that she had been paid for her story.[98]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "the truth is she killed because of her last name and ancestral atavism\nIt's the redpill they won't tell you"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I hate chavs, I really do."}, {"id": 4, "content": "come on serial killer anon where are you? this sounds interwesting. also how does an 11 year old get the idea to murder someone?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHer mother was a whore who hsxn22got mary 'involved'"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">mutilates a toddler's penis\n>name is Bell\nwho writes this shit"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKind of odd how everyone bangs on about Venables and Thompson but you rarely hear about her\nObviously it's because Venables had later notoriety as a paedo and the fact that the Bulger murder was horrific, but still, people generally act like the whole legal aftermath with regard to new identities never happened before them two despite the legal precedent stemming heavily from the Bell case"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nPlease! the preferred term is \"sex worker\"."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish she stabbed me"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Jus' a bit a banter, innit?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Her buddy (who had the same surname despite being not related) got let off the hook as they decided she was just a dupe Mary used to carry out her dirty deeds. Yeah her home life sucked and her mom was a prostitute, the place was said by a social worker to not resemble a real home at all, more like a cheap boarding house."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nidgi"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\ni was a criminal at 11 it's not that difficult for an 11 year old to think of killing"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPsychopaths do like kill em while they are young.\n>born with a hole in their brain\n>maybe its maybeline"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does anyone else find Arab Christianity very interesting? It feels like a relic of a lost pre-Islamic Middle East in many ways. I feel sad that many Arab Christian communities are dying out due to radical Islamism and state oppression."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we wuz greeks doe!!"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The old Missal Maronite Mass is profoundly amazing. It's on YouTube.\nLightning in a bottle."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>pre-Islamic Middle East\nGayreek middle east is not the real middle east. Islam was a based proto-nationalist movement"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Does anyone else find Arab Christianity very interesting?\nNo."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThis except youre referring to civilizations, not nations"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Lots of Muslims are converting en-masse"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSource?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIt was real in my heart."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nYou take your religious song-style from Greeks, Your architecture from Greeks, your philosophical traditions originate from Greeks. Kneel."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nEverything is Arabian or Iranian"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nGreeks owe egyptians"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It's obvious that the nationalists had the complete moral high ground."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Nationalists were the ones who sicced Arab mercenaries on Spanish women. The Republicans were unironically whiter."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe catholic church was corrupt and facilitated the rape of youg boys though."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Arab mercenaries on Spanish women\nIs that why Spaniards have their \"look\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThis. Theres even an entry on wikipedia. Nationalists were the ultimate cucks."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>5\nLiterally racist communist propaganda"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>waaaaaah racism\nAll you do is denigrate blacks all day. Go be an astroturfing gook somewhere else."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>4\nretard"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNationalists and Communists were both pawns to foreign powers. God bless Juan Carlos for restoring democracy and defeating Authoritarianism in Spain."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">become the elite of Europe\n>colonialism in africa and asia\n>discover America\n>they defeat the arab countries in 6 days kek\n>a first world asian nation surpassing even japan\n>dominate the global economy\n>they appropriate the Germanic phenotype and aesthetics\n>everyone who challenges them is defeated and humiliated (egyptian, sumerian, greek, rome, persian, ottoman, japanese, german)\n>God's chosen people\nWhat is the success of the Jews? Are they the most gigachad people in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndey be sluts to dat bbc DOE"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat man is an Anglo-Saxon somehow utilizing Jewish nepotism. Both groups are now playing the long game, mixing to surpass themselves as individual groups and transfer abilities. This shouldn't be allowed. Both must be stopped."}, {"id": 4, "content": "When did Japanese target Jews though? They chimped out against everyone that wasn't them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhen Pearl Harbor was attacked remember America has always had a Jewish elite"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nBut Japanese were targeting Waito Piggus in their minds not Jews. Their end goal was throwing Wypipo out of Asia doe."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>elites\n>not allowed in the golf club"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nto attack the United States is to attack the Jewish people"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>rome\nJews did nothing to defeat rome. They got shitstomped into the floorboards and the only reason why Jews even still exist today is because the Romans thought it was better to enslave them all rather than exterminate them outright."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nJews gave a lot of trouble to Romans even destroying multiple legions before Romans had to use a great deal of their might for such a petty rebellion. Then the Jew named Jesus made all the Roman Empire Christian which led to its fall."}, {"id": 11, "content": "They are servants of Satan, who has dominion over the Earth."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>Jews gave a lot of trouble to Romans even destroying multiple legions before Romans had to use a great deal of their might for such a petty rebellion.\nMeh, They still got utterly crushed and the only thing that saved them from being wiped out entirely was the Roman desire for slaves.\n\n>>stuff about Jesus, Christianity and the fall of the western roman empire.\nLet's see now, Jesus didn't make Rome christian, Constantine did and the empire fell for a whole list of reasons that include the growth of both secular bureaucracy and christian bureaucracy.\n\nNote that the key problem there is that both of these drained potential manpower from the military, the actual teachings of Jesus meant all of jack and shit by the the time Rome was \"officially\" christian. What I'm getting at is that the religious bureaucracy, for example? That could have been dedicated to a neo-platonic reformed polytheism with Sol Invictus as the chief deity and the drain on manpower would still have been a serious problem. Gibbon misinterpreted this as Christianity uniquely causing problems like that, which isn't really a supportable position."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1 they were untouchables, some became rich with trade that’s it. The elite was mostly european\n\n2 retarded non sense\n\n3 retarded fake non sense\n\n4 ok\n\n\n5 in some regards\n\n\n6 non sense\n7 sumerian? Non sense\nEgyptian? Myth\nJapanese? Non sense\nPersian? Non sense\nRome? 4 centuries later, ergo unrelated\nGreeks? Conquered by Rome not Jews\nOttoman? Non sense"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God's chosen people\nincorrect, read spinoza\notherwise yea jews basically just dominated wypipo hard for the last few hundred years to the point where they all still seethe about it\nnext time finish the job goys"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Virtuous liars"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does no one talk about the five other moon missions?\nWith the first one being discussed so often and there being attempts to debunk it you'd think the others would be relevant in the conversation."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can see your huge nose from here, Chayim. The JEW will not destroy my great nigger."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople talk about Apollo 12-17 all the time. Conspiracy theorists however seem to forget there were Apollo missions after 11. Its especially embarrasing when you see them asking \"WELL WHY HAVEN'T WE GONE BACK SINCE 1969???\"\nWe have, you just haven't been paying attention"}, {"id": 6, "content": "You're not talking about a rational demographic so it would be unwise to seek rationality in their behavior"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Bump2"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>history and news of goy Americans going to space? No, no. This isn’t helping israel at all it will simply not do. We rewrite history as america never went to space and we give our nation all the only good history through one man that will be the new messiah and not this Jesus folk."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>our nation all the only good history through one man that will be the new messiah and not this Jesus folk.\nIsn't the Jewish Messiah and Jesus coming back going to do literally the same thing?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nI think he's trying to say that he really enjoys Kanye's music. I agree, I like it too :^)"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Somewhere up there on the surface\nof the moon sits Alan Shepard's golfball."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThat golf ball is probably dust by now, as its made of plastic that can easilly be deteriorated by long exposure to radiation from the sun"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why does no one talk about the five other moon missions?\ni was jsut thinking about them 2 hours ago"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nOr when they get confused by the footage of the module ascending, taken with the camera on the buggy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Much of Greek religion reworked Bronze Age Med religion which seems to have been lost other than elements of it remaining more cogently in Syrian/Ugaritic and even Egyptian later mythology.\n\nHere are some interesting features of Homer:\nTroy's Atlantean nature, the kings being sons of the River God (Pontus as Okeanos). Helen as a form of Dea Syria.\n\nThen there's Olixes (Odysseus) whose name invokes Adonis/Tammuz (the one mourned, the one wept for). This is a version of the departed Solar God who must return. And you even have the theft of Helios's cattle invoked at the beginning of the epic, as if it was once of a more central importance.\n\nWith this identification, we can transpose the Odyssey and configure the theft of Helios's cattle (solar bull, therefore the divine BLOODLINE) as a form of Prometheus's theft AND we ALSO get a form of Noah arriving with cattle.\nNoah's arrival to Uratu/Corduene is associated with the origin of the \"Watchers\" story from Enoch.\n\nPutting it together, the Odyssey is the theft of the holy bloodline by Icarus, who brings this bloodline to the daughters of Man, interbreeding.\n\nThe most ancient you can get is that this Yama marrying into the seed of Manu, the Aryan original sin."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat does this Even have to do with canaanites"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThey have the most preserved solar god who returns myth, the fish goddess, etc."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI think You are mixing your perception with fact"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone of the few valid things you've stated here would depend on influence from Canaan-descended peoples necessarily. Though it seems the Adonis myth may have started among them possibly, I'm not sure. But even the name Odysseus since it is possibly not IE, the best and most likely candidates would have been Minoan/Eteocretan or something far more local in origin and we're plainly told by Homer of what it means (son of pain). The broader solar aspects fit well within most frameworks including all IE myths associated with high patriarchal figures and just rule. It's funny that you say this because the guy who first came up with the Germanic substrate hypothesis said that it was Semitic in origin, and there are parallels perhaps, even in the way that funnelbeaker looked kinda like blonde Ashkenazi almost in some reconstructions. But that substrate was most likely just pre-IE words and place names and memes adopted from sailing and etc just as it was in Greece. Not semitic st all.\n\nMore likely it was Eastern Mediterranean EEF > Minoans > Mycenaean with some influence from Phoenicians, as is plainly implied. All of this you say about Noah and original sin, Greeks would have hated nerds and nerd concepts such as these."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNoah here is reinterpreting the ark as the solar bloodline, if we use the Odyssey's cattle of Helios as a link between the Noah myth, and the Egypto-Canaanite concept of the solar bull (Apis, Epaphus). And Io or Europa are figured in Helen.\n\nNote that the mythical Spartan family which Helen married into was NOT the Doric Spartans, but the Carian Acadians who founded the city. And the Carians appeared to worship Hecate and the great Eagle (Jahwe/Jove).\n\nSo Iliad appears to be saying that the Carian/Edomite Eagle god was promised the celestial virgin, but she was stolen away by the sons of Atlas.\n\nThen, separately, Odyssey discusses the Adonis myth.\n\nAryan (not the 19th century racial/esoteric concept, but the literal people from Aria/Bactria) peoples appear to be mixing very frequently in Upper Mesopotamia.\n\nAs far as I can reconstruct, there are the following religions there:\n1) Triple Moon God/Goddess \"Sin/Innana\" (Herm-aphrodite) in Ur and Sogmatar (Harran)\n2) Amorite solar god Tammuz/Dagon (integrated with Innana by Babylon who later becomes the staple Ishtar of Syria)\n3) Manu the serpent king (Vedic devas, also I suspect Semiramis of the Mannai)\n4) Aryan golden twins (Yama/Yami, Jamsheed, Indra, Freya/Freyr)\n5) Eagle Jawhe/Kos - appears as \"stormbird\" the meteorological antagonist of the sea dragon\n6) Serpent/Mermaid \"Atlanteans\" from ??? but present in the Bronze age East Med as you discussed\n7) World tree (however serpent, twins and Atlas all integrate with this)\n8) Amun - hidden one who is the invisible air itself, the ram Crius. But Amun proper is heavily syncretized.\n\nObviously there is mixture. Isis-Osiris is very very advanced syncretism. Azi Dahhak mixes triple hermes, the serpents with Manu.\n\n\nGilgamesh actually relates how Babylon's hero-king defeated some of these gods. It appears to be the purpose of the epic, to explain to Sumerians why their gods are subordinate to Babylon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThis. This has fuckall to do with Canaanites, who emerge actually around the same time culturally as Homer. Homer's references are actually centuries older."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nJesus read more than the title. How else would I describe it?\n\nZeus and Olympus came into Greece from Mount Kaisos, where it was heavily adapted. The original Zeus was an Adonis figure, and the oldest version we have of this from Kaisos is in the Ugaritic cycle.\n\nOne theory is that Minoan cultural hegemony was literal Atlantis religion, with mermaid gods and Supreme Poseidon. And that we have simply lost any evidence to prove this.\n\nAnd then Iron Age religion in Syria is mixing this in.\n\nThe real question is whether we just don't have records of what was believed in relative recent history, or whether the original myths are quite old, like 5000 BC or earlier.\n\nBut these myths have enough motifs in common, and there do seem to be separate motifs that have independent origin.\n\nIf we view Olixes as an Adonis figure, by etymology, then take the invocation of stealing Helios's cattle, we can interpret Noah as a matter of divine bloodline, and that is evocative of Enochian beliefs, which are centered on Kurdistan since it was anciently believed this is where Solomon's (Salmanu) \"Djinn\" married daughters of men and Kurds are descended from this. The ancients also saw Kurdistan as the place of Noah's Ark.\n\nSo, with the Olixes connection, we can see how the Noah and Enoch stories might be the same thing, and the interpretation is the \"cattle\" are actually the divine bloodline, and that rather than being rescued, this act was some sort of sin, in the vein of Prometheus's theft.\n\nIt integrates well and would be interesting to discuss, but you idiots are scholastic nimwits."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Egypto-Canaanite concept of the solar bull\nEgyptian. You mean Egyptian.\n\n>>8\n>How else would I describe it?\nBy not being disingenuous on your premise.\n\n>>8\n>Zeus and Olympus came into Greece from Mount Kaisos\nThis does not make any sense whatsoever, and there's no reason to think this. Out of all the mountains you could have picked, you picked among the least likely.\n\n>The original Zeus was an Adonis figure, and the oldest version we have of this from Kaisos is in the Ugaritic cycle.\n\nThere's no relationship between these figures or names whatsoever.\n\n>And then Iron Age religion in Syria is mixing this in.\nExplain?\n\n>It integrates well and would be interesting to discuss, but you idiots are scholastic nimwits.\nThe truth is much simpler than that last segment."}, {"id": 10, "content": "reminder Homer only wrote the story down, he didn't invent it\n\nfor unknown centuries before him the epic cycle was passed down by word of mouth, through rote memorization"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Zeus and Olympus came into Greece from Mount Kaisos\n>This does not make any sense whatsoever, and there's no reason to think this.\nExcept for the propitiation given to Cronus in lieu of Zeus which is literally the basis of the Canaanite bull sacrifice cult.\n\n>Egypto-Canaanite concept of the solar bull\n>Egyptian. You mean Egyptian.\nThe solar bull sacrifice is Canaanite. Possibly a syncretism of Memphine and Amorite religion, or perhaps one of its sources.\nKothar-wa-Khasis, Daedalus and Ptah are all identified by their respective cultures as the same thing, originally from Crete, moved to Memphis. That Minos takes the name of the Upper Egyptian Min is interesting.\nLibyan mythology clarifies that Greco-Egyptian war against the Cretans catalyzed a lot of this. They integrate the lost city of Nysa, too speculative to work with.\nIt all figures in the same mythic narrative that has Zeus hiding at Crete.\nBorn from a cave of Gaia, a river spring of the nymphs? That's Canaanite Adonis.\n\nYour inability to see any of these integrations, and your lack of awareness, apparently, of a lot of mythology is probably why you are struggling here.\n\n>The original Zeus was an Adonis figure, and the oldest version we have of this from Kaisos is in the Ugaritic cycle.\n>There's no relationship between these figures or names whatsoever.\nZeus was a euhemerized Doric chieftan, borrowing some elements from the culture they brought into Achaea, but he was transposed on top of the Canaanite Adonis, even to the point of having the same origin story and lighting powers. The Eagle of Zeus is also stealing from the Carians who were anciently present there, their King Merops."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYeah that's my point. There was an original version which was mythology of Mesopotamian-Syrian gods, and Greek history was interlaced with it over time."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nthere is absolutely no reason to assume that a hypothetical lost eastern religion you have reconstructed from the source material is actually the source\n\nyou are starting with that conclusion and selectively interpreting themes from the epic to support it"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>Except for the propitiation given to Cronus in lieu of Zeus which is literally the basis of the Canaanite bull sacrifice cult.\nExplain what you mean by this. You just assigned it to the Canaanites, but I think you have the outdated belief that Canaanites go back to 2000 BC, when they date over a millennia later. Therefore the Canaanites would be IE using a Semitic language if there were a relationship, which is not established. Your claim is that Cronus is the center of the Canaanite bull sacrifice cult, but you need to explain what propitiation you're referring to.\n\n>The solar bull sacrifice is Canaanite.\nBull sacrifices are common many places. It's too broad. It's like saying people burned incense therefore there is a connection, when everyone burns incense anyways.\n\n>Kothar-wa-Khasis, Daedalus and Ptah are all identified by their respective cultures as the same thing, originally from Crete, moved to Memphis\n\nThis supports a Greek origin adopted by Egyptians then spreading to Semites. You are asserting the reverse.\n\n>Born from a cave of Gaia, a river spring of the nymphs? That's Canaanite Adonis.\nCite this myth you're referring to? That has nothing to do with Zeus.\n\n>Your inability to see any of these integrations, and your lack of awareness, apparently, of a lot of mythology is probably why you are struggling here.\n\nFrankly, it sounds like you're just making things up as you go along. I've read Orpheus, Homer, Hesiod, and Ovid thoroughly and nothing you are saying makes a lick of sense."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>but you need to explain what propitiation you're referring to.\nThis is just such profound ignorance of the topic.\n\n>Born from a cave of Gaia, a river spring of the nymphs? That's Canaanite Adonis.\n>Cite this myth you're referring to? That has nothing to do with Zeus.\n\nNow you're just being difficult. You don't want people to discuss this and draw these connections. This is just interference."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n> I've read Orpheus, Homer, Hesiod, and Ovid thoroughly and nothing you are saying makes a lick of sense.\nAnd there is also archeology, names, numismatic evidence, vases and hundreds of other writers.\n\nBut you read a couple classics of literature and now you know everything about ancient mythology even though you're apparently ignorant of basic staples."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>This is just such profound ignorance of the topic.\nYou need to cite the specific propitiation you are referring to. There are many traditions for each deity and group. You're the one that looks like you're just farting out headcanon if you cannot.\n\n>Now you're just being difficult. You don't want people to discuss this and draw these connections. This is just interference.\n\nThere's no way to reasonably infer what you have claimed.\n\n>>16\n>And there is also archeology, names, numismatic evidence, vases and hundreds of other writers.\n\nCite them. Which ones are you referring to?\n\n>But you read a couple classics of literature and now you know everything about ancient mythology even though you're apparently ignorant of basic staples.\n\nYou can't seem to point to these so called \"staples\", therefore we have to assume you're just making stuff up, which is exactly what it sounds like."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Waiting on you to substantiate a single claim."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nForced as fuck connections that would be insignificant even if they were real (they are not)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nhomer lived sometime around 8th century BCE and the canaanites emerged during the Late Bronze Age and the Early Iron Age (roughly 3000-1000 BCE)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Late Bronze Age and the Early Iron Age (roughly 3000-1000 BCE)\nBiblical narratives have to place Canaanites around 2000 BC, but all artifacts assigned as Canaanite are actually dating to post 900 BC. Homer's references and archaic language hint at being several centuries older.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_and_Aramaic_inscriptions\n\nYou'll notice the vast majority of the earlier samples come from Byblos, an Egyptian city. Also notice this is in the Bronze Age Collapse when said region had been conquered by a confederation of Europeans."}, {"id": 22, "content": "Caanite mythology is an older reworking of Sumero-Babylonian myth. These stories get changed a lot with the passage of time but the near east had an Ur myth which was the mesopotamian one. Egypt is the odd man out because it didn't have narrative mythology, the stories were static and preserved as they were, it was a platonic view of myth. The Greek creation myth appears at the same time as Caanite one, but it borrows from the same source. Also IE studies are a big fucking joke, there is no unfied IE mythology because the sources are again root Mesopotamian."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile there is a valid point to be made regarding the near complete disconnect between Homeric/Hesiodic theology and what little is known of Helladic religion, your post reeks of schizophrenia, and I'm going to need a bit more corroboration before I accept its plausibility."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nCanaanites were tested and were a novel group of R1b steppe admixed people.\nno one in West Asia today has any connection to the ancient peoples of the region nor any connection to the Greeks.\nyou were brown sand eating slaves at the time."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWE"}, {"id": 26, "content": "No, why would a poet in the Greek Dark Ages be \"reworking\" a completely separate people's mythology instead of his own?"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Why was Homer so biased against the Trojans?\nthe whole book is Achaeans killing Trojans like 5 to 1"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts a back and forth trade of ideas. Collective ideas that were greater than nation states is closer to the truth but thats my subjective opinion."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nI don't think it was biased, they had greater and more memorable heroes. Some of whom were literally me."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In terms of generalship, rulership, and lasting legacy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJohn the Baptist, the Founding Father of Christianity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfonso Henriques of Portugal"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">irrelevant man or slightly less irrelevant man\ndo spics even know their own history?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSan Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJulio Argentino Roca."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCrossing of Andes was kino. Washington doesn't have shit on that."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Not a single good thing has ever come out of Columbia so..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nUncle Julio"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWashington and it's not even close\nHe left a young prosperous republic that would go on to colonize all the way to the pacific, become one of the world's greatests powers, eclipsing it's old metropole, and spread it's idea of republicanism, capitalism and liberty to the entire world, making everyone speak english and trade in dollars.\n\nMeanwhile, all that Bolivar left was a bunch of weak, corrupt and divideed caudillo states that would languish in an never-ending cycle of poverty, civil wars and dictatorship, with most of them either end up dominated by the US, or copying their constitution and adopting their currency. Even today, Spain is better off than most Latam countries, and Latam itself has zero relevance internationally."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKing George was the greatest founding father."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nprolly King Jimmy I and VI better"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBolivar/san martin/the Insane Mexican Clown Posse wins in generalship.\nWashington wins in rulership\nThey tie in legacy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>t. Number 1 consumer of narcotics in the world"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGeorge Washington.\n\nLiterally no one important knows nor cares about Simon Bolivar"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYet another proof of why it is important to subject at least 50 american cities to orbital bombardment with tungsten rods."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nBolivar was only relevant on the independence wars of Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador. Perhaps Peru to an extent.\n\nBut for some reason, American schools consider him the \"liberator of Latin America\" even though he was completely irrelevant to the history of Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Central America, etc."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>orbital bombardment with tungsten rods\nShame South Amerimutts couldn't make nor do any of that without US aid and intelligence huh.\n\nThere's nothing of value coming out of South or Central America except for coffee and oil."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>some literal who vs one of the most impactful historical figures of history who's legacy is being taught in schools all around the world\ngee hmmm I wonder. This thread was very obviously made by some SAmutt"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nNo matter you'll die of disease in a couple of months anyway. And no amount of super-relevant Uesai powah will save your heart from total collapse."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nJust because South America hasn't developed nuclear weapons doesn't mean it couldn't. Brazil and Argentina both retain uranium enrichment capacity.\n\nBrazil has one of the top 10 largest GDPs in the world.\n\nI mean... if North Korea, Pakistan or India could, nothing is stopping us other than the fact that there would be US sanctions and there's really no need to bring that kind of autism to the region.\n\nAmerica hardly sends any aid to Latin America btw."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>I mean... if North Korea, Pakistan or India could\nAll of these countries have rich histories going back to the beginning of civilization."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nSo? They are utter shitholes today."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>Pakistan\n>rich history going back to the beginning of civilization\n>not them there amerindians tho cuz uh, uhhh"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Generalship\nSimon\n>The rest of it\nGeorge"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nÆthelstan"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nFor North Korea's sake it is sanctions and their autistic leadership. For India and Pakistan it is their overpopulation. You think Brazil wouldn't be a similar shithole if it was far from Western world in South Asia. Do you know how much shortened supply lines and trade routes with developed countries help you people?\n>>24\nIndus Valley civilization mogs everything upto Aztecs and Incas. If you think Pakistani elite are a joke than be my guest. They have been playing USA for decades now and were key factor in Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and ultimate victory of Taliban."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThey literally slaughtered half a million plus babies lol some victory"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nCan Brazil or any Latam country claim even this kind of victory if America invades wholesale. Argentina couldnt even hold Falklands."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>20\nthe country George Washington founded still exists\nThe countries Simón Bolívar founded have gone through many regime changes. He left a continent of instability and a nearly 2 centuries of infighting."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>For North Korea's sake it is sanctions and their autistic leadership. For India and Pakistan it is their overpopulation. You think Brazil wouldn't be a similar shithole if it was far from Western world in South Asia. Do you know how much shortened supply lines and trade routes with developed countries help you people?\nI'm not arguing against any of that, I'm saying several Latin American countries could develop nukes if they wanted to.\n\nThere was a big row back in 2004 because George Bush wanted IAEA inspectors to examine Brazil's nuclear centrifuges and the Brazilians refused because they claimed the Americans wanted to carry out industrial espionage on their reactor design, which was superior in some aspects. The capacity is retained."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>which was superior in some aspects. The capacity is retained.\nthats interesting, may we see examples of those \"superior\" reactor designs currently in use? I mean its been like 15-20 years so surely something came of that right?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nAmerica is not the Soviets. The Russians can't even conquer Ukraine."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>10\n>>10\nWe're comparing Bolivar and Washington, not America and Columbia.\nThere's a reason people talk about the American \"founding fathers\" plural, with Washington arguably not even being the most important one, while Bolivar founded several countries almost singlehandedly."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>I mean its been like 15-20 years so surely something came of that right?\nWhat came of that, is uranium enrichment for nuclear energy production, like I said we are not interested in developing nukes and getting into a row with NATO, doesn't mean that the capacity doesn't exist."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>Bolivar founded several countries almost singlehandedly.\nHe founded one (Gran Colombia), which collapsed into three (Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador). His importance is overrated."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nmay we see examples of the \"superior\" enriched uranium? also I thought we were talking about reactors, not nukes?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis comparison showcases everything wrong with Latin America. Simon Bolivar was a militarist, the American Founding Fathers were political scientists and scholars. Simon wasn't a nation builder, he lead an army to free South America from Spain but could never form a proper successor government. Washington was just a general for the Continental Army and was never seen as some mighty conqueror, in fact, he was a pretty mediocre general, but a much better statesman, and history largely remembers him more for being the 1st President."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nThe superiority lies in things like scalability, cost-efficiency, etc.\n\nArgentina for example is developing CAREM which is part of a new generation of more cost-effective, scalable reactors. It's meant for peaceful nuclear energy generation.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_small_modular_reactor_designs"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>29\nYeah probably if they camped in the jungles for 20 years but it would be deviating for them and it would fuck their moral rapidly,\nThe pakoid Muslim tribes that populate that area aren't human south Americans have morals.\nI've never heard of a south American making a 4 yeah old walk though a field to clear mines\nBeing such a shit and morally corrupt culture that you can withstand 20 years of being bullied isn't a victory."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>15\nNobody outside of the US cares about GW either you retarded mutt. It's almost like historical figures specific to a nation are only relevant in that nation."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nMay we see examples of \"things like scalability, cost-efficiency, etc.\"?\nMany countries are currently designing Micro reactors, don't exactly think Argentina has any advantages there. companies like NuScale have already deployed some microreactors with a capacity of over 70 MWe"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nWashington is taught in schools all over the world. Bolivar is not"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>29\n>Argentina couldnt even hold Falklands.\nNta but..\n1. it was never theirs and most people there identified with the British.\n2. They only made a fuss about it to distract the average argensimian from how much Perron was fucking up their country"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>May we see examples of \"things like scalability, cost-efficiency, etc.\"?\nYou can read the links provided.\n\n>Many countries are currently designing Micro reactors, don't exactly think Argentina has any advantages there. companies like NuScale have already deployed some microreactors with a capacity of over 70 MWe\nIf you scroll through that list, the countries listed are China, Russia, USA, the European Union and that's about it. Not many countries have the technological capacity and knowhow.\n\nBrazil also has a very advanced nuclear industry, they are just more secretive about it and don't focus on civilian exports."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\n>Washington is taught in schools all over the world\n(x)doubt"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>Brazil also has a very advanced nuclear industry, they are just more secretive about it and don't focus on civilian exports.\nYou can't really be secretive about nuclear projects, if its for civil use it'll have to be deployed to the public sector in some capacity, if its for nuclear weaponry it'll have to be live tested to some capacity as well, and nuclear testing isn't exactly an endeavor thats easilly kept a secret. You don't think that maybe this is all just a cope do you?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nIgnorant retard, the Junta that invaded the Falklands was anti-Peron. He was dead at the time btw. It was nearly a decade after he had been president.\n\nAnd the war was lost because it was retarded to begin with, and the navy refused to participate after the Belgrano was sunk, they rebelled and stayed in port."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>You can't really be secretive about nuclear projects, if its for civil use it'll have to be deployed to the public sector in some capacity\nIt is deployed, there's just less public information available. They are propietary designs, only IAEA inspectors are allowed to see it.\n\nPoint is, very few countries retain the capacity to enrich uranium, Brazil is one of those."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nI mean we would at least know what it looks like and its total power output capabilities. You can't really keep those a secret."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth were traitors that caused harm to their people and nation. America should've remained part of Britain and South America part of Spain."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSan Martin\nBorn poor, fought against Napoleon in Spain, went back to La Plata to liberate Argentina, Chile and Peru, died poor in exile in France."}, {"id": 53, "content": "The schizo was right all along - /his/ is a retard board"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_research_reactors\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_nuclear_reactors\nKnock yourself out."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Nuclear energy accounts for about 3% of Brazil's electricity.[1] It is produced by two pressurized water reactors at Angra, which is the country's sole nuclear power plant. Construction of a third reactor begun on 1 June 2010,[2] but it is currently stalled.[3] The sole Brazilian company in charge of nuclear energy production is Eletronuclear.[4]\nI don't exactly see anything about nuclear supremacy here"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nThe knowhow is retained. Refer to the chart >>54\n\nAs long as hydroelectic power remains plentyful (cleaner, more cost-effective) there's no need to focus entirely on nuclear. But there's the technological knowhow to do so if needed."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>41\n>Founding father of the country ruling the world is irrelevant to the world, somehow"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell, Bolivar was a fanboy of Washington like ll of the liberals of his age, so who do you think?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\nHe wasn't a founding father. He literally invaded Chile, got btfo by Bolivar at Guayaquil and got cucked back to Europe."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>He literally invaded Chile\nGave them independence. Like Peru.\n\n>got btfo by Bolivar at Guayaquil\nStrange interpretation of events. They had a secret meeting (not a battle), where they had an argument, and San Martin refused to go along with Bolivar's schemes (he wanted to rule as a dictator whereas San Martin saw himself as just a general).\n\n>got cucked back to Europe\nHe ruled as Protector of Peru until a local assembly was elected."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Generalship\nBolivar and it's not even close. He went from Venezuela to fucking Peru.\n>Rulership\nBolivar, again. He literally wrote the constitutions of two nations, Colombia and Bolivia.\n>Lasting legacy\nBolivar, again. He is literally worshiped in half of the continent, Washington only in a part, although not really, people dick-ride Reagan for some strange reason"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nAs soon as he got out of ship, he went back to Chile and then left for Europe, i.e. getting cucked by bolivar's caribbean swagger"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nIf you have a low IQ interpretation of history, maybe. San Martin was a true hero, a selfless man who saw himself as a general and a servant of the people, not a ruler. He wanted a united South America under a Constitutional Monarchy, which would encourage unity under a parliamentary democracy.\n\nBolivar was a republican and a petty tyrant, and his attempt to seize power and rule, while initially successful, ultimately resulted in the shitty assortment of irrelevant republics that exist in Latrine America today."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nyeah, people who actually care about the countries they've built typically don't die on another continent"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nHe was disgusted by the post-independence civil wars and refused to get involved fighting for some shitty local caudillo. He said \"my sword shall never be stained with the blood of a fellow [Latin] American.\"\n\nHe was more of a hero than this shit continent deserved."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>61\n>He is literally worshiped in half of the continent\nHe isn't."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot even close, washington was just a mascot and a shit general"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne was a corrupt pedophile warlord whos achievements were undone the moment he died and the other was a man of noble values that was mourned by even the people he fought against. Bolivar should be seen as the person who set the standard for Latin American corruption and garunteed that the region would never progress without outside influence, he alienated the Spanish while selling his own people for pennies to the British for his own personal gain"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nI mean he is. Chavez, Petro, Correa, Castillo, Maduro, the indian from Bolivia, all use the name of Bolivar to give legitimacy to their stupid commie policies."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>36\nfour if you count panama"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>generalship\nboliva\n>rulership\nwashington\n>lasting legacy\nwashington"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nThat's not half of the continent, it's less than a quarter if we are being generous."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only thing Bolivar really has on Washington is generalship, and even that isn't as decisive as it seems. The Spanish that Bolivar faced were definitely not of the caliber of the British and Hessian mercenaries that Washington faced. They were poorer, worse equipped, worse trained, and the overall gap of strength between them and the Bolivar's revolutionaries was way smaller than the gap between the British and Continental Army (before Von Steuben whipped them into shape at Valley Forge that is). Also, Washington's battles were typically bigger than Bolivar's. He fought several battles with 10,000+ troops on both sides while Bolivar never did. Every other battle he fought had only a few thousand each, some being only a few hundred - essentially \"skirmishes\" because the Spanish just couldn't ferry large bodies of troops from the mainland or march troops throughout Latin America fast enough to fight the rebellions happening all over the place.\n\nReally, I would say that while Bolivar was more tactically adept than Washington, strategically, he was much weaker. Washington's revolution required a much bigger grand strategic vision to handle than Bolivar's which mostly involved just marching/sailing to the enemy and fucking them up before they could do so to you."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nBolivar fought against under supplied militias and any percieved tactical prowess you are somehow gleaming is not there to begin with. Bolivar like most latam liberators humanwaved their way to victory against a government that has been bankrupt 10 times over the last few years and invaded and occupied then brutally liberated by a foreign power who had no qualms in destroying Spanish infrastructure to gain an upperhand against the French. The Americans fought the British in their peak while the latams fought against the Spanish at their absolute lowest. Americans were often outnumbered by the British while Bolivar was only able to get token victories against an enemy that was unable to even afford to govern its colonies let alone feed and equip their militias."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are your thoughts of Soren Kierkegaard the father of existentialism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "nigga be a leader not a follower"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nism cuck"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nwait, you still listen to rap?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAgnostic larping as a Christian using religion as a cope to deal with nihilism. Precursor to modern day christards who use religion as something of a tool to curb \"degeneracy\" and cope with nihilism. Anyone who takes philosophy seriously or does apologetics competently doesnt believe in the Christian God deep down."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\njudaism"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirst to mention clown world."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI get the impression you have no idea what Kierkegaard actually believed or said"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\na literal religious fanatic lutheran theologian is an agnostic larper because he's good at philosophy and apologetics?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nism cucks"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nCringe Christkeks. His philosophy is all self help cope for the Christians with braincells enough to understand how much of bullshit religion is.He himself was a coper who pretended to be a Christian. Like Wagner who bowed to the cross as his last cope. Do you think anyone can take Christianity and all the history of apologetics seriously lmao"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\njism coper"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\ngood one anon\nyou had me for a second there, i gotta say"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nKeep pretending to believe in Jewish fairy tales. Jesus is coming anyday now like the og Christians said 2000 years ago."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Is the concept of infinite resignation that the knight of infinite resignation because of his sincere belief that he acts in the name of the infinite God is willing to give up absolutely everything for Him whether it be the respect of his peers, a high quality of life, or even the life of his only son, and therefore the knight of infinite resignation is truly free because he is beholden to nothing save God and himself? And that the knight of faith is equally as infinitely resigned as the knight of infinite resignation but the difference is the knight of faith has also achieved happiness by reinterpreting the finite through the lens of the infinite so that even something as mundane as tax collection becomes a joyous representation of his connection to God?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\ndude joke's over\nyou can stop now"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nWhy does Jesus make you so butthurt?"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Also would it be fair to say Kierkegaard was responding more to perceived cold rationalism in the established Danish church than to secular opposition to Christianity?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\ntheism-atheism cuck of the ism cucks"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nmeds"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nliteral schizophrenia"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">existentialism\n>nihilism\n>judaism\n>rationalism\n>theism\n>atheism\n>medism\n>schizoism\nshit tier ism cuckery for ism cucks"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nI actually respect Jesus more than any christard. He was humble schizo honest to this words. You guys are just larpers lying to yourself and others. You wouldnt take or give your life for Jeebus because deep down you believe there is no heaven or hell."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIf you believe I would not give my life for Jesus then enact your unspoken wish to persecute Christians and see how willing we are"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA Scandinavian philosopher??? But /his/ told me everyone there lived in mudhuts until they discovered social democracy in the 20th century"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nA couple months ago I was listening to Greg Bahnsen's lectures on apologetics and when he mentioned Kierkegaard he said \"Kierkegaard is the only Danish philosopher we'll be talking about except for Dr. Bahnsen\""}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nAren't you guys always being persecuted or some shit? When are you gonna do shit? You guys are just a bunch of reactionaries who hate homosexuals or whatever schizo shit you think torments you. You won't do shit because deep down you know it's all bullshit. Who am I kidding you can't even keep a week long nofap for Jeebus kek"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nSomeone's mad"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nAbsolute state of christards that they have to rely on retards like Bahnsen. Imagining listening to lectures about Jewish fairytales because you can't cope with reality."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nah yes, the famous level-headed rational atheists"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nOk larper kek. Keep telling people that you believe in talking snakes and donkeys."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nNot even the Atheist but i think i am the one level headed because I didn't jump to the conclusion that my opponents wants to \"persecute\" my kind and that will finally make me not a cuck so I can give my life for Jeebus."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nUnderstandable have a nice day and God bless! :)"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nOfcourse! I hope flying spaghetti monster brings spaghetti to all!"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>20\n>>22\n>>30\nmedism schizoism lol"}, {"id": 36, "content": "ah sweet. schizo thread"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Calling it heroic.. doesn't make it heroic, and not retarded"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>16\n>>35\nfemboys"}, {"id": 39, "content": "I tried reading him years ago but couldn't continue.\n\nHis writing is just so flowery and affectation laden, it becomes hard to discern his point.\n\nI have a similar problem with Locke."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the most biased historical Wikipedia article currently in existence?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly wikipedia is almost useless for reading about historical events unless you just want to know the dates and participants in some war or something."}, {"id": 6, "content": "i have never seen a single example of wikipedia bias ever\ni hate the zog as much as anyone but wikipedia isn't stupid enough to sink to that level\neven contentious stuff like israel/palestine\nis deliberately covered in an objective way"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nJews there call 4chan a shithole."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>The site has been described as a hub of Internet subculture, its community being influential in the formation and popularization of prominent Internet memes, such as lolcats, Rickrolling, rage comics, wojaks, Pepe the Frog, as well as hacktivist and political movements, such as Anonymous and the alt-right.\nthis reads like it hasn't been updated in 10 years, i've a good mind to fire teh lazars lolololololol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nanything about the balkans."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nIt's not wrong though."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese nonces still didn't update the nuclear weapons pages to include Belarus on the list of nuclear armed states.\nThey're sitting on their hands."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA while ago the official wiki article for Russia described them literally as \"a fascist state\", but I think they've removed that now."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>doesn't charge the Jews rent for his headspace\nHow philosemitic of you."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThe idiots think Russia stopped being socialist in 1991.\n\nAlthough Russia dropped the full RSFSR name then, they were still the Soviet legal system until the October 1993 Constitutional Crisis.\n\nThey should handle it like DR of Afghanistan is shown in this picture for example."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nPlease don't poke the chuds sir"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nHow do they cope with Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile's writings being banned in Russia?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nThe \"government\" section used to be literally to describe the government and nothing else (unitary vs confederational, parliamentary vs presidential, etcetera) but then they started adding \"dictatorship\" to all the no-no states, so it's less about the actual facts of governance and more about which states you're supposed to like and which states you're not supposed to like.\n\nCuriously, actual non-democratic institutions you're supposed to like aren't described as \"dictatorships\", for example the EU is described as \"directorial\", a hilarious doublethink. So actual elected governments are dictatorships but a bonafide legal undemocratic non-voted system is merely \"directorial\""}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlist of jewish expulsions"}, {"id": 20, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Franklin Credit Union Scandal"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\n>>2\nYou think this Germoid's wife was bouncing on commie cock?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nSeek help. Your parents are worried."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Anything about Balkan history. cf.\n\n>1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War\n>Bulgarian Wikipedia article\n>Bulgaria won\n>Serbian Wikipedia article\n>Serbia won\n>English Wikipedia article\n>Results: Inconclusive. Status quo antebellum"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ProtectedPages?namespace=0&type=edit&level=extendedconfirmed&size-mode=min&size=\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit-a-thon\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_editsyoutube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>14\n>constantly thinks about money and how to profit off others\nYou thought you were smart there, right, foreskin muncher?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n\nYou know historians check the articles too, especially when there is an input with a cited source to their work.\n\n/pol/ retards always screech how wikiepedia is full of biased history articles, but they cant find a single article. It doesnt make anyone take you any more seriously.\n\nWikipedia should never be used as a source in academic studies, but for casual debates its a good reference for a quick overview of the historic topic."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nanything religious like biblical figures or texts uses atheist sources for a majority of the article"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are women the pigmyes of gender?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "i was once wrestling with my sister and dominating her and she grabbed my balls and had me crying like a bitch\nmade me wonder how rape even exists"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nRape victims unfortunately are usually either outnumbered or beaten into submission, like actually beaten not like you playing grabass with your siater"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkek woman moment"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\noutnumbered is fair enough but what the fuck are you, the rapist, going to do when they grab your balls? it's not like you can pull them off, instantly knock them out like a martial arts movie, your only options are stop or suffer extreme pain"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYou can just punch them in the head or ignore the pain like a grown adult"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>unfortunately\nwhat did he mean by this"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>ignore the pain\nyou know the testicles have more pain receptors than an eye, right? as it it hurts more than being poked in the eye, and you couldn't just ignore that"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nGot hit in the balls mtiple times,\nbefore the pain sets in there is a window of 30-45 second i can use to jump on the one who hit me.\nPretty sure you can ignore the pain"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDoesn't work with squeezing. Compare a jab to the throat and someone actively strangling you."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nGetting hit to the troath can kill you if its hard, grip strenght is way lower than a punch from someone who kwows to hit, and you still have 10 second of time.\nWomen will drop after one punch"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhat I'm saying is someone punching you in the throat will wind you and it'll take some time to recover, but it won't be a continuous immediate threat where as strangling you is something that needs to be dealt with, same with the balls."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nyou have a weird sister"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYeah, you'd think I'd just made it up because that's my fetish or something."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Redscarefags also frequent /his/\nDear God I don't know what is worse"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nqrd for a non-redditor?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nRedscare is a podcast by two dumb Soviet whores in New York where they talk about race science, being Trad Cath, and assorted woman/homosexual adjacent nonsense"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nWait, isn't that based? Or do you mean they reject race science?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt's a LARP by, as evidenced in the OP, the particularly insecure"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\ngrab the victim and slam their head against a surface\nif shes close enough to squeeze your balls then crushing her skull is an option"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck is redscarepod?\nI’ve seen this subreddit so many times but I have no idea what it’s about"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did seamen historically relieve their sexual urges at sea hundreds of years ago?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were probably focused on work"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>he’s never been around seamen at sea\ndainty hands typed this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe port cities were filled with prostitutes for a reason."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey sang songs and drank a lot. Plus, imagine the smell. It's probably not an easy environment to feel sexual urges in. Besides it's just a few months and then you get your pay and can poke all the whores ye want once we gets back ter Liverpool town."}, {"id": 6, "content": "They had cabin boys."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had faith in lord Jesus Christ. They didn't have sexual urges."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had whores"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine not COOMING for a couple of months, like is that even possible? Oh the horror."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey found the golden rivet"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCabin boys"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey took a leaf out of pirates' book"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhy are whites so fucking gay"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRum, Sodomy and the Lash"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncouldn't they just like jack off into the ocean?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Sea wives\" were a thing, kinda like prison I guess"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nThis."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey'd shag prostitutes whenever they were at port"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Once, there was a sailor. The captain welcomed him aboard as a new crew member.\n\nThe Sailor was just settling in when he notice that there were no female sailors. He was a hardy young man whole needed his fill of beer, bacon, and most of all: women. So the sailor went to the captain and asked him, \"Captain, there are no women aboard, and i am a man who needs lots of women, how do solve this problem?\"\n\nThe captain says, \"There are other men aboard and they have the same concerns as you, lad. I too find it hard to be away from me wife. There hasn't been a women aboard in years, but we have found a solution to this problem. Follow me.\"\n\nSo the sailor follows the captain to the hold, and the captain leads the sailor to an inconspicuous barrel with a hole thats just the right size and just about the right hight. The captain says, \"well, Lad, here tis our solution, just stick it in ye hole and have away.\"\n\nThe sailor looks incredulously at the captain. \"Are you serious?!? A hole in a barrel?!?\" \"Just try it\" and the captain walks away.\n\nThe sailor thinks that there could be no harm in trying and undoes his pants.\n\nFifteen minutes later the sailor climbs on deck with a huge smile. \"Wow, captain, that was amazing! I have bedded many women in my day and that barrel was better than most by far.\" The captain replies, \"Aye, thought you would like it. Feel free to use it any time, day or night.... except Tuesdays that is.\"\n\nThe sailor looks at the captain with a confused expression. \"Why not Tuesdays?\"\n\n\"Because Tuesdays are your day in the barrel.\""}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe don't want to know."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\n>risk falling overboard just to ejacklate\nmen are so stupid"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe seamen released their semen into other seamen."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA few probably masturbated at night and that was the extent of it. Most just focused on work and in downtime got drunk. There was no homosexual rape if that's what you're hinting at."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nit's not rape if you consent"}, {"id": 25, "content": "well you know what they say about the navy"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nKek."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk fine I want to have gay sex with seaman while spending time on a cool boat. I’m not gay tho it’s just a boat environment thing"}, {"id": 28, "content": "I don't get why \"prison gay\" is a thing, can't people just masturbate?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Raping mermaids"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpanish ladies there's songs about it"}, {"id": 31, "content": "No wonder natives and others hated pirates, sailors, vikings, barbary pirates, etc. Imagine being clubbed to death and having your home robbed and rummaged and wife and daughter taken for mating press by some smelly rotting breath hairy homosexuals with shit stains on their breeches"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they weren't masturbating or engaging in homosexual liaisons, then they waited until they reached port. Once they arrived they were immediately swamped by prostitutes who rowed out to meet them. The sailors were so horny that they lost all shame and they wildly went at it with the prostitutes in full view of their crewmates without a single thought of hygiene."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nYup. Sailors after being out at sea for so long had sexual urges so strong that they would have sex with pretty much anyone they came across, married or not, even Papuans and Australian Aboriginals.\nThat's how conflicts often arose between explorers and natives."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike incels do…… masturbation"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't. That's partly what made them great men."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSea turtles mate."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>19\nA sailor is hired on a ship. The captain introduces him, explains his duties, the local rules.\n- There's no women on the ship, jerk off, but if you're desperate, we've got a faggot cook.\n- No, I'm not like that. I got a girl waiting for me.\n- Well, you'll see...\nSix months later, the sailor gets mad and goes up to the captain:\n- Remember what you said about the cook. But let it be a secret, so no one else knows.\n- That won't work. At least two people who'll be holding him while you're fucking him will know.\n- But you said he was a faggot...\n- Of course he's a faggot. Can't cook for shit, over-salts all the time!"}, {"id": 38, "content": "bussy"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>7\nThat's based"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're acting like they were locked in Alcatraz for decade long stretches. It's a few weeks or months at most and the moment they touch shore where do you think they'll spend their cut on? The answer is booze and boobs for any dickless cunt who seriously didn't instinctively know it."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbelieve it or not but a day full of toil and not having any women around makes you focus on just getting through the day\n\nwhen you get to port the only thing you want to do is fuck, fuck, fuck some more and drink and then fuck again"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>28\nMy hypothesis is that it’s just bisexual men making excuses"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMasturbation, sodomy, or just waiting till you get back to the shore whores."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>9\nFirst week is the hardest. Then it is a matter of what opportunity presents itself. In the conditions of a ship, after the first week, it won't be as much of an issue."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why Germanic people so Imaginative ?\n\nRaces that create so many artistic expression works through entertainment form such as video games, movies and music with Fantasy themed are majority Northwest Europeans, East Asian Japanese, Eastern Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews.\n\n- Northwestern European fantasy is famous for Viking, Lord of the rings, Harry Potter …\n- Eastern European fantasy is popular to Western world through Witcher.\n- Eastern Asian Japanese is well known for many anime manga stuff and video game Final Fantasy.\n- George Raymond Richard Martin is 22.4% Ashkenaz Jew and a lot of producers in entertainment industry Hollywood are Ashkenazi.\n- South Asian and Southern Asian are famous for Bollywood Physics."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Final Fantasy\nThey've been recycling the same crystal shit for 3 decades."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAshkenazi just recycling superheroes"}, {"id": 4, "content": "how come japanese are extremely imaginative but chinese aren't\nit didn't used to be this way, they used to write epics of poetry"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nChinese movies just recycling Wuxia\nJapanese can combine Western and Eastern"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Art history started around 30 years ago in the 90s because I am illiterate and also retarded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBy the way, why is all of European fantasy grouped into English."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ncuz most Northwestern European and Enlish just have Green admixture and dominant Blue , also Size optimal to see genetic different in each group"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Slavic fantasy\nYou've been memed. Witcher is Polish and the books are shit compared to games. Russian fantasy and sci-fi is all either cringe isekaishit (modern) or communist propaganda (old)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nGlobal Admixture Analysis K6\nhttp://racialreality.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nWhat does blue admixture even stand for in this case?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nCaucasoid gene, Western Eurasian gene, Caucasian gene, or simple term White gene"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nAlso, all Chinese shows are 50+ episodes where literally nothing happens. Who are they for? Stay at home moms?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYup, Chinese movies are for home cooking moms.\n\nWhile Japanese are for weeaboos, neckbeards, teenagers, and old men"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI guess it reflects their society. There won't be (or atleast, they're trying to discourage the existence of) NEETs, so shows aren't tailored towards them."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\njeets are not tall (they are shorter than chinkoids) and even less handsome kek"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nSuperman was invented by a Jew."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nwe don't deserve Jews"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglos larping as everyone but themselves."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncringe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "inferiority complex"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're persistent too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI haven't seen much of an inferiority complex from greeks."}, {"id": 4, "content": "feel sorry for greeks\nimagine sharing a name with and having to larp as one of the cornerstones of western civilization while deep down knowing you're not the same people\nat least with mongols they're still the same stock despite the fact they're no longer relevant"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Creates a thread about it\nWho has the inferiority complex now?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif anything they live rent free inside the anglosphere's head"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI mean the Mongols are mutted like crazy too. After the horde became majority Turk they ended up taking alot of roach brides, and then with the Yuan, tens of thousands of Chinese flooded into their cunt and were absorbed into their gene pool. With even the super xenophobic Kalmykia mongols in Russia being like 60% west Eurasian despite segregation. Mongols just never had that big of a population making it easy to be mutted, look at the Manchu which had like 10 times the Mongols pop when they conquered China and ended up getting mutted into extinction because their geography made access to their heartland even easier"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nGreeks trigger you fuckers so much, just accept that genetically many if not most greeks are still carrying that hellenic blood. There are less than 9M of them, of course they wont be as relevant as say german ethnics who amount to more than 100M+"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nAnglos tend to like Meds thoughever"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nLe 20% face, el abomination of la Turkey."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nlol no"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou dont even understand what that really means. Turks were hellenized since ever, especially in the izmir region, let alone possible simple similarities with anatolians. That is just retarded. Its like calling a portuguese person a mutt for sharing ancestry with a basque."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>reddit: the post\nWon't even bother myself answering."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's not us on here. It's that retarded Indian who larps as a \"Med Bvll\" because he's obsessed with starting shit with Nords."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey should be proud to be middle eastern people. They invented civilization."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpain is easily on par with Northern Europe save for rather recent history and their work ethic being less.\n>>3\n>>4\nGreeks today are too dumb to realize they are closer to anatolians and slavs than to Pericles.\n>>8\nThey aren’t and no one is triggered by Greeks.\nBefore genetics it was simply puzzling to North Europeans who had an idealized idea of Greece how Greeks could be such brown shitholer type people."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>such brown shitholer type\nThey were OG Europeans of their times and one of the most Nordic population of the world regarding they already were urbanized, it's quite dumb to try to compare them with modern people wondering why they weren't the same as the purest 1000 men retaining their ancestry in swamps."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Rent free"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\n>>17\nsource though?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nOf what? The charts are from Vahaduo."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSo no source?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nDon't bother me, coper."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\n>Greeks trigger you fuckers so much, just accept that genetically many if not most greeks are still carrying that hellenic blood\nthis lmfao\ngod i love being a Hellene\ni love being the descendant of Alexander Herodotus and Aristotle\nlook at this thread\nmy sheer existence makes browns and brainlets mald on daily basis"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nSorry but I don't accept made up values as a source\nTry a journal article next time. You won't, because you have no source, but that's ok to admit."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>I don't accept\n>the goblin unironically implies somebody cares\nLol, lmao even."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWhy do you refuse to provide evidence for your claims? Why are you so butthurt?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nLiterally the opposite Popupapoloaus. All of you are swarthy mutts spawned from Near Easterners and Slavmonkeys. Who the fuck seethes at Greekoids except Turks and Balkanoids."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Who the fuck seethes at Greekoids except Turks and Balkanoids.\nliterally you right now\nlmafo"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI am not though. Just telling the truth. You are not even the descendant of Alexander or other great men. Greek larping as Alexander is the most pathetic thing considering they accepted his \"greek\" origin so begrudgingly. Dumb swarthy goblino."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">all the nordicist look like goebbels, varg or himller\nLol"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>I am not though\nyou are literally seething\nyou keep replying to my posts kek\n>You are not even the descendant of Alexander or other great men\n>Greek larping as Alexander is the most pathetic thing considering they accepted his \"greek\" origin so begrudgingly\nahahahaha wtf is this cope,macedonians were always considered greeks lol\n>Dumb swarthy goblino.\nIm whiter than you will ever be tatar mutt"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nbased as fuck, tell 'em"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere should be a type of report:\n. instigating a flame war\n. this post belongs on /int/\n\nalso OP is a mega faggot"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>ahahahaha wtf is this cope,macedonians were always considered greeks lol\nExcept when Greeks chimped out when they implied that. Alex also had light hair unlike Swarthoids like you are. Macedonians also lived North of Greek heartland so you most probably don't descended from them. You are also a product of Slavmonkey rape so don't ever larp as ancients you get it? Delusional swarthy manlet yikes"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>Except when Greeks chimped out when they implied that\nthe fuck? they didn't\n>Alex also had light hair\njust like my grandpa\n>Macedonians also lived North of Greek heartland so you most probably don't descended from them\ni do\n>You are also a product of Slavmonkey rape\n\"slavs'' had minimal impact in greece\nnot even yugo''slavs'' are slavs LOL\n>don't ever larp as ancients you get it?\nbut i don't larp\nI'm literally their descendant ,their blood runs through my hellenic veins"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf anything it's superiority complex\nInferiority complex is for self haters like Arabs or Latinos"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou do indeed have an inferiority complex, Pablo. It's especially evident when you LARP as a german or from the eurasian steppe."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nWhy are you posting Nordic looking minority of Greek to represent yourself you mutt. Those are also slavic rapebabies for the most part.Pic related is what Greeks look like. Swarthy people with short heights. Also Macedonians were so obviously Greeks to Ancient Greeks that they were asked to prove they were Greeks kek"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>Why are you posting Nordic looking minority of Greek\nahahaha, what the fuck seether\nthere is no such thing as nordic looking minority in greece\nthis person looks like a fair haired med ( just like Alexander)\n> Those are also slavic rapebabies for the most part\nlmfao what? can you decide whether he is nordic or slavic schizo?\nslavs had literally no impact in greece\n>Swarthy people\nwe are just tanned like our ancestors\nancient greeks were also ''swarthy''\n>short heights\ngreeks are taller than russians brits and frenchies KEK\n>Also Macedonians were so obviously Greeks to Ancient Greeks that they were asked to prove they were Greeks kek\neveryone had to prove their greek origin in the olympics\nalso i love how you ignore macedonians were allowed to participate in other panhellenic games"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nStop arguing with the spic"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>greeks are taller than russians brits and frenchies KEK\nKek hahaha nice delusions you manlet. I have literally been to Greece and I know how short you people are. Its skewed by Slavic rapebabies in the North. The Arabic dna keeps getting stronger as you go into South.\n>everyone had to prove their greek origin in the olympics\nSure thing. I guess everyone else was as revolted by the presence of Macedonians. Keep aping greekified sheep herders in the far North.\n>slavs had literally no impact in greece\nIts a well known fact they had impact but keep denying the obvious."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nI am not a spic. Pic related is."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>I am not a spic.\nSo are you a pajeet or a seamonkey?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nNope and I am not of the Swarthoid stock like you."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>I am not of the Swarthoid stock\nAh, so you're chinese"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>16\n>how Greeks could be such brown shitholer type people.\ntrue, ancient greeks and romans were literal brown shitskins, especially the greeks"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nTry again Poupklais bin Mohammed"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>40\nwhy, Im having a blast\nhe claimed nobody seethe at greeks yet he replies in every single post of mine kek\n>>41\n>Kek hahaha nice delusions you manlet. I have literally been to Greece and I know how short you people are. Its skewed by Slavic rapebabies in the North. The Arabic dna keeps getting stronger as you go into South.\nnice cope lol\n>Sure thing. I guess everyone else was as revolted by the presence of Macedonians. Keep aping greekified sheep herders in the far North.\nschizophrenia, time to take your meds, goblin\n>Its a well known fact they had impact but keep denying the obvious.\n> the obvious\nlmfao\ncroats ,serbs,bosnians and bulgarians look more similar to greeks italians and albanians than to poles or russians\nthe obvious is slavs had a minimal impact in the balkans genetically"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nhow did balkoids get so tall"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nAll this cope for being a Swarthoid holy shit. Just accept that Turks are your kin and noone cares about you except when you start position your shitty memes claiming to be anything other than Slavmonkey/Anatolian mutts. Alexander was a Macedonian who was an outsider to Greeks untill he hit big and Greeks started sucking his cock. He should have killed more of you POCs. Destruction of Thebes wasn't enough.\n>That map\nSkewed by Slavic dna in the North. Araps and Swarthoids aren't known to be tall."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Makes a thread about us"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>All this cope for being a Swarthoid holy shit.\nancient greeks were swarthy and low steppe, you are unrelated to them mordvix\n\n>Anatolian mutts\nno study supports this, and no one pays attention to your low quality vahaduo models\n\n>Skewed by Slavic dna in the North. Araps and Swarthoids aren't known to be tall.\nslavs are menlets, so no\n\nso something more productive with your life, my russian friend"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\ngreek shitskins were more related to jews than to ilya\nthey were brown"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>slavs are menlets, so no\nTaller than Swarthoids like Greeks and Anatolians. Russian average is also skewed by chink mutts in the Urals and North West. Just go to the interior of your country and you will see the Swarthoid manlets. Lol just look at the mirror."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Taller than Swarthoids like Greeks\n>>48\nno, you are shorter than greeks and as tall as a spaniard, you are definitely a bunch of manlets lol\n>inbefore cope about le north greece\ndon't wanna hear that, you're a manlet"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nKeep coping about skewed metrics you Arap Swarthoid manlet kek"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\ni'm not the south niggerpean, but the facts are clear, greeks are taller than russians, which is not surprising since brown people like croatians and serbs and montengrins are also taller than russians\njust having some fun entertaining your cope\nwhat's next? you're going to pretend that russia isn't an actual third world shitshole? ahahahah\ni wouldn't be surprised if bankrupted greeks have more gdp per capita than russians too, guess you wuzn't ancient greeks since you live too much like a subhuman LMAO"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nI dont know what caused your butthurt but South Slavs definitely aren't brown or shitskin like Gayreeks."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>South Slavs definitely aren't brown or shitskin like Gayreeks.\nahahahahahahahah how fucking delusional you are jfc"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nSouth slavs are definitely shitskins like southern negropeans"}, {"id": 61, "content": "gdp per capita 2023 (nominal)\nrussia: 14,403\ngreece: 22,595\n\n\ngdp per capita 2023 (ppp)\nrussia: 34,837\ngreece: 39,478\n\nshit, russmutts live like this?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nGayreek still looks swarthier.\n>>60\nNope\n>>61\nYikes! All those gibs and a smaller population but Swarthoids can only maintain a wealth gap that minimal! I wonder if Russian GDP per capita isn't being skewed by frozen shitholes and literal steppoids living in nowhere."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nBalkaners are brown, I'm sorry to break it to you, you are briwn"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>I wonder if Russian GDP per capita isn't being skewed by frozen shitholes and literal steppoids living in nowhere.\nit's not, the average russian lives worse than some brown greek\nthat's because of the russian genes"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nNice cope little Swarthoid\n>>64\nNot everyone is living off EU gravy train.Its pathetic that the gap isn't bigger.Atleast Russian rivals are other superpowers not fucking Turkey."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nsouth slavs are brown shitskins, are you from there? never seen mordvix defend those brownies\n\nis this the epic mordvix-balkanigger alliance?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>Sworthoid\nSorry I'm not from southern Europe or the balkans"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>Not everyone is living off EU gravy train.Its pathetic that the gap isn't bigger.Atleast Russian rivals are other superpowers not fucking Turkey.\ncope and cope and already cope\ni only care about facts, and according to them you are a third world shitshole, your opinion is not relevant"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nSwarthoid gibsnigger cope. All that free shit and Russians are still catching up. Sad!"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>62\n>Gayreek still looks swarthier.\nholy cope lmfao\nthe whitest dude in this pic is the fat greek keke"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n> All that free shit and Russians are still catching up\nyou meant becoming poorer and poorer i assume?\ndid you forget that your country is losing a war against some random shithole in europe and throwing away all its workforce?"}, {"id": 72, "content": "daily reminder to slavic and balkan swarthies\n\npeople that are white:\ngermanics, irish, scots, welsh and belgians\n\npeople that are not white:\nsouthern europeans, slavs and balkaners"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>10\nhello ilya (malnourish manlet twink from russia with a jewish name btw lmao)"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is us (those 3 countries) the best countries to live in Europe in 90% of the parameters analyzed. Most northern Europeans would love to live here even learning less. So, it is not inferiority, quite the contrary. And just check our History. 50% of the History of Mankind is related to these 3-4 countries."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeethe:the thread"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nLmao why do turco-slavic cumsponges, roman farming equipment and nafri rapebaby savages whose only achievements is creating mexico and brazil believe they are relevant?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>4\nNordicist head canon. Modern Greeks literally have more Steppe admixture then their ancient counterparts. But keep coping"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>38\n>YOU WUZZ'NT! I WUZ!\n>THIS IS YOU!\nNordicist copium continues"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPortugal\nItaly\nGreece\nSpain\n\nP\nI\nG\nS\n\nPIGS"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>45\n>wahhh you must be ccp chink\ngo bow to your nigger overlords you pathetic mutt aka amerikneeler"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>>44\nShouldn't you be dying in a trench by the Dniester, Sergei?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are okay"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>9\nAnglos tend to be terrified of anything they connect to popery."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>9\n>Anglos tend to like Meds thoughever\nThey don't have a license for it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">This is the creation of an all-loving merciful god"}, {"id": 2, "content": "He's a great listener."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is actually because some whore ate an apple a long time ago."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I pray for God and he answers everytime for stupid things\n>Some kid dies\n>ACKtheist says he doesnt exist even doe he exist"}, {"id": 5, "content": "What the fuck is that?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "slide thread\n\nsage\n\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n\nbot posts"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The person above me is a tranny, do not reply or give them any attention."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>all-loving\nWho are you quoting?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThe bible."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWhere?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The devil influences the birth spawning a demon\n>God intervenes and makes the demonspawns outside reflect its inside so that it will get discarded after birth\n>reee what God would do this!!???\nGod is just helping mankind, plus 99% chance that that thing is a pajeet and will likely live a normal life since pajeets already look weird so it’d fit right in"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>1 John 4:8 - But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.\n>1 John 4:16 - We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them.\n\nFucking lobotomite asking such stupid questions without having even read the bible."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Paradise exist and is 10000000000^1000000000000000000000times better than earth\n>anyone who repents is truly sorry and tries to change can get there\n>Gift of God\n>but muh life on earth hard n shit"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nsaying\n>God is love\nbecause he loves certain people is just as meaningful as saying \"God is hate\". That's why I asked you to quote it, retard."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">brown people blame god for being inbred"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nEasy for you to say, you're not the one born without a face. Fuck your imaginary friend and his supposed paradise that you only can enter after you die. Your superstition is an obvious con and your dumb for believing it."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nTbh if christianity is correct, I don't think a person who spawns those sort of thoughts is gonna make it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI don't think your opinion matters."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>neckbeard\nOpinion discarded"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>antinatalist\nIf life is so full of suffering and so bad why not kill yourself."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThey wont because they deep down believe in a after life and know that life has intrinsic value despite all their cope. But that wont stop them from being evil and wishing death on every life but their own since their own deep feelings create an imposter syndrome against the beliefs their favorite breadtuber taught them"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>life has intrinsic value\nSource: I made it up."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIf life has no value there is no reason to value human life. So murder should be legal and accepted"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nJohn was a faggot, augustine said so."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>can't understand the difference between \"value\" and \"intrinsic value\"\nRetard."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nI'm not an antinatalist, retard. I simply don't believe in your glorified imaginary friend and consider abrahamic religion to be thunderously fucking stupid."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>>25\nCope more, now go and keep throwing your welfare gibs away in the hopes that your eceleb stand in parent figure will notice you."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThs the results of thousands of years of man-made dysgenic selection and likely inbreeding."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>NOOOO you can't just point out I use words without understanding them, please don't\nEat shit and die, retard."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nSo if your life is worthless why not kill yourself?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nCowards like him reject the love of not only God but most likely any person in their lives who opinions do not allign to what they current eceleb tells them. You can never expect these types to follow what they preach, they’ll tell others to kill themselves because life has no value while at the same times boarding themselves up out of fear for the backlash of their own actions."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nRefer to >>25\nalso I'm not the same poster as this faggot >>26\nI just like to point out how retarded you are."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nIf you believe life has \"intrinsic value\" you don't believe what the Bible teaches, retard. Stop masquerading as this pious person you totally aren't."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>>33\n>noo wtf you cant have values that dont change weekly like mines!! REEEEE\nJust know that despite what you may do to the body Christ has given you, you are still a child of God and will be accepted with open arms should you accept them into your heart."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>16\n>born without a face\nyou realize op's webm is fake right?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>despite what you may do to the body Christ has given you, you are still a child of God\nYou are genuinely brain damaged if you misunderstand the Bible this badly. Stop projecting your own lack of values on other people."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThe bible says to forgive thy neighbor, and that includes you fren, you may do bad things but that’s the modern diviltry at first poisining your mind by people led by evil such as socialists. And my values are concrete, I apologize that having values that dont change depending on the election cycle is something that scares you."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nDo you understand what a \"neighbor\" is? No you don't, because you're retarded. In the same way you don't understand that if life had intrinsic value, the Bible wouldn't command to kill anybody. A regular idiot can understand this, but not you, because you're retarded."}, {"id": 39, "content": "God hates all who do evil. This kid would have been so horribly evil that God had to create him this way as a punishment. And that's an actual bible verse."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>11\n>God lets Satan traumatize some poor mother when he could have just waved his hand and made the spawn a normal human baby\nWhat was his fucking problem?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwtf? I support abortion now"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nI do since i’m a home owner and not a basement dweller like thee"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNaturally, this baby would die quickly and and wouldnt suffer for long and would instantly get into heaven with a glorified body. God is still merciful and loving."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\n>he could have just waved his hand and made the spawn a normal human baby\nhe can't, this world is chaos, our battleground"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\nSource for the verse?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nThen why the fuck did he come here and chill out on earth, wave his hands curing some people abd perform niracles to in the end get ACKed by the romans.\n\nMan this God character is some weird guy."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvolution works like throwing shit on a wall seeing what sticks."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>12\nWoulnd't that question only be stupid if he HAD read the bible???\n\nWierd thing to get angry over."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nHow did you miss the point of such a simple story? His sacrifice was the pain and torture he had to endure to show us that despite how crappy the world is, there is something better for every good person to experience once they have lived their lives in God’s name."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nCool story, sad Jesus never rose from the dead in real life."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>all-loving merciful god\nHe is, he's just not very good at it"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nNo, I asked him because I knew he would quote that passage and be unable to explain how that equates to God being \"all-loving\"."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nWhy do you even bother strawmanning the story in the first place if you're just going to backpedal to using empiricism to deny the supernatural?\nYou're not gaining any ground in the argument, the whole thing collapses down to fallacies of faith on both sides. You just make yourself sound like a spastic child."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nChristcucks are retarded, what's new. You're supposed to take the bible seriously until it becomes problematic, then it's just a story bro."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAny particular reason why this board only attacks Christianity but submits entirely is Islam and Judaism?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\n>\"Miracles aren't real\"\n>*Autistic screeching*\nGo to sleep dude"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>5\naverage brazilian"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nChristianity thrives on victimhood."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\n>You're supposed to take the bible seriously until it becomes problematic, then it's just a story bro.\nEverything that happened in the Bible, really happened, yup even that."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>misrepresent the original text\n>backpedaled when called out for it\n>final hill to die on is just saying \"Yeah well I don't believe the Bible\" and waiting for a trophy or something\nAnd you accuse others of autistic screeching?\nIts a boring fucking routine, man. Get new material."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nThen where are all the remains of the cool awesome palaces of david / solomon or the geological evidence for the global flood? Or of the millions of people walking through the desert after the exodus?\n>Da evil scientists and archeologist have an agenda! They lied!\nKill yourself"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>5\nmost beautiful british baby"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>56\nWho are you quoting?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how is this possible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSea currents."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nproper ocean-worthy ships.\nsolid planning for long adventure voyages.\nsolid navigation techniques.\nsolid sailing technology.\nsolid spirit to never give up on adventure and finding new lands.\nsolid seafaring skills."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnon-nigger genes\n>captcha: GAYYT"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey were sea-faring by that time though lol."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>polynesians colonize madagascar\n>wow look at the great seafaring culture of the polynesians\n\n>whitey does it\n>ummm that's NOT okay...."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThey why did they wait 400 years after the mud chinks to go there?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhich ones in particular?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurely socioeconomic reasons"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncurrents"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCrazy how the African paternal lineage is dominant in Madagascar"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I think"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't exactly think"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think so magical space fairies and ghosts living in my body is true. Prove my I'm wrong or I win this debate."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Greetings, I understand that you are in search of copper. I sell only the most pristine high quality copper, and am the top salesman in the copper field.\nPlease look at my stock and make an order"}, {"id": 2, "content": "hello sir i want to buy some copper"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Iltam zumra rashupti ilatim"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Greetings 𒋀, I understand that you are in search of tin. I sell only the most pristine high quality tin and am the top salesman in the tin field."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Tell me where you get you copper"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApologies friend but we only deal in latinum here"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhats his haplogroup tho"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWadda you mean by latinum? Is that some sorta Jedi mind-trick? I'm a toydarian, mind-tricks don't work on us, only money"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nThat's a trade secret, dear esteemed client, but maybe we can find an agreeable price for that information"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is great news, I'm sure whatever price you offer will be a fair one, we're all civilized men."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">villain is romanian\n>steals vehicles"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Thanks for the laugh."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is this phenotype? If I grow a beard and shave my head I could pass for this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nlenin"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSorry I meant haplotype"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">After a Parliamentary MP threw out an anti-Semitic remark at him during a heated debate, Disraeli replied \"Well, sir, it is a fact that my forebearers created the empire of David and Solomon when yours were still dressed in skins inside a wooden hut.\" [43]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased kike"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the empire of David and Solomon\nNever existed."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYou ever heard of that archaeologist Israel Finkelstein who wrote a bunch of stuff about how half the Old Testament was made up and ancient Israelites never had a real empire they were just a buffer zone between Egypt and Mesopotamia?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell sah, it is also a fact that your forebearers were some inbred Italian le merchant tribe who LARPed as the descendants of Iron Age Levantines despite a complete lack of genetic or historical connection to them and only a handful of Arabs in the Levant can actually claim descent from David and Solomon."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe albinoid can not cope that for millenia while they were chanting ignorant pagant hymns in a cave, the Semitic Man was forging empire, civilization, and constructing grand obelisk to their God's true Magnificence.\n\nI pity the europid."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ngood morning sir"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThe europid knows he can not escape his naked savage roots, it's why he sees a kindred spirit in the savages of the American continents"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\neuphoric"}, {"id": 11, "content": "#sickburn"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What actually even is fascism historically speaking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Fascism refers to a nationalist syndicalist/corporatist ideology which spun off from socialism which got traction in Europe in the early to mid 20th century.\n\nBut fascism is often defined differently or awkwardly as a whole separate ideology of national socialism was called fascist and is still considered that today, even though it's not correct.\n\nSo when people say fascist now, they basically just mean right wing in some way and also authoritarian, and not the specific ideology of real fascism"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfascism=anything liberals don't like\nDegeneracy=anything fascists don't like"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know if it should be funny or sad that the worst people at defining fascism are fascists.\nTo be fair, Marxist Leninists engage in a lot of the same newspeak."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrganized, state sponsored faggotry. Fascism is about upending all normal standards of governance, and instead marching around with a bunch of muscly, half-dressed men. Got a problem? We need more shirtless men! We need to march! Everyone must march!\n\nAlso the emblem of fascism is literally a faggot; a bundle of sticks tied together."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Also the emblem of fascism is literally a faggot; a bundle of sticks tied together\nLMAO"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Also the emblem of fascism is literally a faggot; a bundle of sticks tied together.\ntrue, but its not prounounced the same as faggot. Its pronounced \"fa-joe\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nyou appear to be very well versed in faggotry anon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy theory: people with traditionalist views but who liked labor unions and socialist economics and realized monarchies and theocratic states weren't friendly toward those ideas needed to create something new"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIt's actually pronounced \"Oh-Pee\""}, {"id": 11, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4RnjYwbtp4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nDegeneracy is more of a trad cath specific thing these days"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhat a retard. Does he really think that democracies are more internally divided than autocratic states? Just take a five minute look at any given Diodochi state, or Russia under the Czars, or the utter clusterfuck that was the Austro-Hungarian Empire."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarxism with racism"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no difference between fascism and communism. They're just different words that have applied to different ethnic focus."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nDegeneracy actually has a formal meaning that applies correctly and that instance though."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nMarxism was already racist. Jewish supremacist. The Che brand was Hispanic superiority. Fascism is just Marxism. Both brands rail against capitalism. Hitler would go on about the evils of capitalism. It's like the difference between two sports teams. They're both playing the same sport. But they have different team names and say they are the best at it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nNo it doesn't. There's 0 evidence sexual deviance leads to the fall of societies. In fact there seems to be a negative correlation. Rome was very sexually deviant before they Christianized, that's when the empire fell. As do most countries that end up more conservative."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThat didn't make any of those insinuations. I simply said degeneracy is a definable term. Fascism is just a version of communism and vice versa."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nMarx was personally a racist and many followers were too but it wasnt part of official policy like it was with National Socialism. There’s a huge gap between forcing populations to comform to a European identity for governing purposes over killing those who didnt"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbasically what >>2 said.\nthe most consistent and inclusive definition that makes a lot of sense to me is the forced authoritarian collaboration of the public (state) and the private (corporations, the individual) in a hypernationalistic way. Think a mafia states like banana republics, modern russia or modern china where big corporation are actively in corrupt beds with the government. In that sense, it is a purely authoritarian ideology that is neither left nor right. You can be right wing and fascist by being an ethnofascist or theofascists, or you can be left wing and fascist by being a stalinist or a maoist.\n>inb4 \"but mao/stalin didnt have coporations\"\nyes, but they still forced the private sector at the individual level to collaborate with the state even at the cost of the individual's wellbeing, which sounds pretty fascist to me. Fascism in simpler terms is just ultra authoritarianism where government controls more and more aspects of people's lives, similar to how anarchism is just at the other end of the spectrum with no left or right connotation.\nThat by the way is why horse shoe theory exists. Communists and nazis are similar in their effects to each other because they are both fascists.\nin terms of modern lingo. Fascism is just the right wing of fascism focusing on religion/race rather than equality"}, {"id": 22, "content": "The CCP is a fascist state"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThis is not a fascist message:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/M85fBrXIzNo [Embed]\n\n>>4\nMussolini described fascism as a combination of extreme relativism and the will-to-power philosophy. Some fascist ideologues openly said at the time that their goal was to seize power first and then come up with a program. They also saw war as source of spiritual renewal. They also delighted in bad faith and promoted \"men of action\" All that other stuff is just gonna muddle everything and prevent men from doing… action! Because moxie is in such short supply these days…\n\nI think it was like an intensely militarized version of Bonapartism produced by extreme pressures of World War I and why fascist parties took power in Italy and Japan was due to contingent circumstances within the international system. They were the \"mad dogs\" which were \"hungry\" for \"food\" and challenged declining empires such as Britain, which they wanted to replace, while also crushing the treat posed by communism at the same time. That was the inherent contradiction of their system, they wanted to replace a declining conservative system (the British Empire) while also stopping a rising revolutionary system (Soviet Union, communism) at the same time, which they attempted to do via warfare.\n\nIt was a system of contradictions. They opposed the colonial empires without opposing colonialism. They supported autarky, but wanted to conquer foreign markets. They wanted to preserve the middle classes as they were and also tinker with economic planning in league with large corporations that would've ruined the middle classes (and in fact the standard of living for the average middle-class family in Germany went down). They wanted to go back to wheat fields but also want to boost heavy industry for the war effort. They didn't just say one thing and do the other, they said both things and tried to do both things, which makes it rather \"schizo.\"\n\nIt's like if Alex Jones became a dictator."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nWell the deviation from tradition makes it a bit less traditionally fascist, but the economics are pretty fascist with the corporateocrasy/corporatism everything under the state and all that"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid you know them man who invented fascism, Benito Mussolini, wrote down what fascism is? Seriously, Everyone here is a faggot for not pointing to this document:\nhttps://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nExcept this guy,\n>>23\nbecause I failed to read frst."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>he thinks he is the only one that knows this exists\nstfu half wit"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWhy didn't you post it then?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "the history of germany is really pathetic.\nit starts with them being generic barbarians trying to meaninglessly fuck some very local romans and always failing . They do it only to fill up their days and try to pass as local hardcore heroes towards their retarded local population lol\n\nthen they become nothing. France was all the most powerful kingdom ever. Spain, 1t4ly, GB all achieve some relevance too.Meanwhile germany was still a shithole with little warlords killing each others lol.\n\nThen progress was made by france once more. This time with the enlightenment. The german rats were 100 years late on this and the output of the german renaissance is turds like kant, hegel and nietzche lol\n\nThen world wars happened entirely due to german rats.\nOf course they got crushed like the rat they were.\n\nSince then germany is a generic american bitch and has been trying to destroy europe for the last 20 years lol"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>France was all the most powerful kingdom ever.\nYes, wuz. Now its Neo-Africa haha"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nLaunch germans into the sun, email germans to the madagascar, slice a german in half with a katana, firebomb german cities, hand german women to the red army, flood germany with poles, destroy buildings made by germans, terrorize the german population with bombing campaign"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>This is how Britcucks cope with losing their empire"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">ww1\n>40 million dead\n>portrayed in modern day as a grueling war full of pointless death, infinite gridlock, chemical weapons and uncountable cruelties\n>ww2\n>75 million dead\n>start of an even more draining 50 year cold war where both sides had nukes ready at a minute's notice\n>portrayed in modern day as a heroic war full of epics, stories of victory and cinematic badassery\nwhy is it like this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "WWI was every man for its own, WWII was literally a good vs evil war and evil won"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW2 was a very clear \"good vs evil\" conflict. The shit Nazis did was so brutal and unapologetically evil it's impossible not to view allied war efforts as heroic.\n\nWW1 was a pointless clash of imperial powers caused entirely by dick measuring. Neither side really had a moral superiority over each other."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The two world wars are closely related to one another. You could truly call WW2 the sequel to WW1, in that it it came about largely as a result of the way WW1 ended. The differences between how we think of these wars are largely a result of the way the wars have been recorded by history and popular culture, that is, the narratives we have constructed around them.\n\nSo first, the narrative differences. WW1's ideological components aren't as scrutinized as WW2's. There were some big differences in political philosophy between the entente and the central powers but hardly anybody insists this was the driving force of the conflict. People are more willing to admit that WW1 was nakedly about the geopolitical ambitions of the Great Powers in Europe. The fact that this was largely also true of WW2 though tends to make people throw objections, and that is because in WW2 the ideological aspects of the war are far more heavily emphasized in an effort to dramatize the narrative.\n\nFor instance, in discussing WW2, the rise of fascism is always discussed, the contrast between the fascists/Nazis and the free democracies/communist unions (depending on the country). There is an effort to portray the war in Europe as more than just the same territorial expansion and ethnic cleansing that we see in other conflicts, and to make it a war to decide the fate of civilization itself, with the implication being that a victory for the Nazis would mean the end of civilization as we know it, so it is a fight for our very existence, and we all believe we have the right to exist, ergo it is a moral struggle, of good vs evil. And so the war enters the realm of mythology and the narrative becomes dogma."}, {"id": 5, "content": "The Second Thirty Years War (also the Second Eighty Years War)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhere were the wars fought in (east)Asia to make the 30 years war a world war?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\ntroon"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">troon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>>>\n> Anonymous 04/30/23(Sun)00:28:50 No.14971638▶\n>File: 2d1.png (31 KB, 917x1027)\n>>troon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nCope and seethe. I bet you’re not even German."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nThis, it’s just as easy to relate to the Germans as it is with the French or bongs in WW1. Kinda hard for ww2 when they were literally killing millions for a retarded leftist ideology.\n>>1 (OP)\nThe Cold war is full of epic tales because the conflicts were small scale and had little impact outside of a small region, it’s easy to talk about the bravery of American troops mowing down commie chinks by the hundreds of thousands as they were surprised attacked in a just defense of South Korean independance than it is to try and justify two world wars that ended with nothing gained for all involved"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>t."}, {"id": 13, "content": "most casualties in WW2 were the Japanese or Germans chimping out on allied civilians"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>he doesn't know\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why is it like this?\n\nUnironically pro-appeasement pacifist faggotry of the interwar period, especially in the English-speaking world.\n\nWorld War I in France is largely seen as a morally justified war for national survival. In Russia, although the war itself was seen as a tragedy, the civil war that followed was heavily glorified for the following 60 years as a glorious new beginning and is still widely lauded in that country today. For Germany, World War I was defined by perceived betrayal by Jews and Socialists, the outrage against this stab-in-the-back ultimately became the groundwork or Nazism.\n\nThis self-pitying rhetoric regarding World War I is only really present in the English-speaking world and to a lesser extent modern Germany."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nywnbaw"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\nfucking die.[sjis][/sjis]"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nI am not transgender though. Are you German?"}, {"id": 19, "content": "For me, it's CTF eder dam"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nja"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\nWhat do you mean?\nthe Communists did more brutal and unapologetic evil, and continued to do so during the cold war."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nI thought your post was gay but you won me back with the last two words"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nKek you almost had me there."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the way the second war is presented is all propaganda, and they would do the same thing with the first except that normalfag brains cant handle more than one big propaganda story like that, so they just leave WWI out.\n\nIf we had honest historians and no gay propaganda our popular image of WWII would look a lot more similar to the popular image of the first."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>4\nWhat’s funny is that they call the Hundred Years War a single war despite peace lasting for years at a time intermittently, and they call thr Thirty Years War a single war despite being interuptted by a long peace in the middle, but they REFUSE to call the world wars a single war. The jews did this, didn’t they."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>had nukes ready at a minute's notice\n>had\nLmao it never ended. Bro youre living in a cold war."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNukes dont exist fucking retard"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIf you don't think the doctrine of MAD hasn't greatly impacted foreign policy of the last 70 years then you're retarded. Nukes may not exist in terms of real warfare, but in Cold Warfare (where we are now) it absolutely does matter."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWW2 is more recent. Thus it has an absolute impact on the state of the world today, it is still largely fueled by post-war propaganda which is further perpetuated by pop-culture and media.\n\nWorld War 2 also had a more defined line between good side vs bad side, while major wars like Napoleonic, ww1, Thirty years war etc are far more abstract.\n\n>What do you mean post-war propaganda?\nThat even thought the Axis were clearly the wrong side of the war considering the amount of Chinese and Russian civilian casualties, the victorious allies have themselves tried to maintain a clean image, as well as dramatizing their own efforts in order to hide mistakes or for prestige. Allied war crimes has only just began to be debated during the last 30 years, and historians are trying to dismantle established consensus such as the sold British perspective that they were fighting as the underdogs against a superior Germany. Other topics such as allied sold intentions of intervening against the axis based on humanitarian grounds, and not because of actual self-interest.\n\nMany of the post-war allied leader and generals were running for president etc, so it was a matter of self-correcting their resume. Other German generalds like Halder and Manstein did their part trying to self-correct in order to improve their CV and legacy."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nKeep telling yourself that."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\n\n>If we had honest historians\n\nThey are honest. It's just that no one bothers to read their works, and media is more interested in perpetuating outdated myths, as well as mixing the historic event with a perspective of modern norms and values."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>trench warfare\n>outdated tactics\n>infections\n>literal suicidal horse charges to gunfire\n>flamethrowers\n>dum-dum bullets\n>no man's land\n>chemical weapons\nhttps://youtu.be/X-elmAeX_4U [Embed]\nWW2 simply was the more advanced warfare, WW1 sucked in every way. Also it should be noted WW2 in American media is portrayed from USA pow who entered the war late and had no issue with supplies unlike, say, Soviets."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWW1 doesn't hold my attention. It's just guys with single shot rifles getting mowed down by machine guns, wooden airplanes that look flimsy and silly, and tanks that go at 1 mph. The gasmasks are kind of cool though.\nWW2 is badass by comparison. It's got cool guns that don't take forever to reload, sexy planes that go really fast, big epic tank battles, and a story that is easy to understand. oh and its got paratroopers oorah\nI'm American btw"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do people believe in such nonsensical drivel that is \"Satanism\" more specifically LaVey. I personally already believe Christianity and most Abrahamic faiths aren't to be taken very seriously at all, but besides my personal bias, how can someone objectively look at Satanism, which is just some cringe gay larp offshoot of an already bullshit set of ideals, and honestly call it a \"philosophy\" ?? Is there actually any \"philosophy\" in this bullshit besides \"dude like, hedonism is rad and the self man\" Fuck you LaVey, top tier brain rot affecting western people with too much time on their hands and overbearing Christian families. Faggot pipeline distracting people from more practical and perennial thought."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Satanism is the counter Christianity.\nChristianity teaches you to turn the other cheek\nSatanism teaches you revenge is a dish best served cold.\nChristianity teaches you to be content with what you have\nSatanism teaches you to have burning jealously\n\nHonestly, we need a little of both in our lives."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt doesn't matter if you don't believe in Satan.\nThe elites do.\n\ncainite.net"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>turn the other cheek\nWhen an egregore turns the other cheek, who's cheek is getting slapped?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Anton LeVey was a Jew"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLaVey was just a contrarian faggot and satanism is hot topic-tier bullshit made for people who want to be \"rebellious\" but don't actually want to do any acts of rebellion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did the Ottomans buck break Balkanites, Arabs and Africans so hard?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurkics are natural warrior race"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Balkanites\nOttomans showed up when byzantine was on its last legs, if anything it took them too long a dead empire and some slavnigger microstates\n>Arabs and Africans\nAlready ruled by steppeniggers, they just replaced the previous steppenigger regime"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\ntoo long to conquer*"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLike all the successful empires in history. Luck."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nArabs were being ruled over by Persians for like the last 300 years before the Ottomans/Seljuks before them came."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So was there an incredibly stratified 3500-year-old society with percent of European admixture defining your status or are poos just generic brown mongrels that just were once raped by Europeans who then mutted themselves out of existence? Do Brahmins and other high-WSH castes still rule the rest of poos? Had they ruled them under mudslims?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Just to finally state if there's anything worth (White overlords) in poos or not."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\n5 times more likely to kill yourself :'("}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSaar, nobody asked you to cope. Just answer if Brahmins have ruled over you or not."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I just found \"reservations\" for dalits are not concentration camps but fucking subsidies."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Uh oh white cucks it turns out being high caste is based on similarity to Semites just like high caste Europeans are Semites!\n\nDistance to: Moroccan_Jew\n0.29282701 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East\n0.29551606 Kshatriya_Uttar_Pradesh_East\n0.35025161 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Castes\n0.37633346 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe other way around, Joseph, Levites are R1a, the same as Brahmins."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThose are Ashkenazi Levites of Europe who are goyim. Real Levites of Israel are 0% R1a.\n\n>Joshua-Marhiv family belongs to Haplogroup J-M267 (formerly \"J1\"), while the Danafi and Tsedakah families belong to haplogroup J-M172 (formerly \"J2\"), and can be further distinguished by the M67 SNP—the derived allele of which has been found in the Danafi family—and the PF5169 SNP found in the Tsedakah family.[94] However the biggest and most important Samaritan family, the Cohen family (Tradition: Tribe of Levi), was found to belong to haplogroup E.[95]\n\nEuropeans elites are all E and J."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>Whites can be totally subverted by jews into mass suicide and they still gigamog bindians"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nKohanim (priests) are J1, Levites (warriors) are R1a, E1b are slaves and Hamites. The prime minister of Israel is R1a. It's over, Joseph, begone."}, {"id": 11, "content": "So was there an incredibly stratified 3500-year-old society with percent of Semitic admixture defining your status or are poos just generic white-brown mongrels that just were once raped by Semites who then mutted themselves out of existence? Do Brahmins and other high-J2 castes still rule the rest of R1a poos?\n\nDistance to: Syrian\n0.26578045 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East\n0.26702893 Kshatriya_Uttar_Pradesh_East\n0.32370234 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Castes\n0.34964554 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThis should be the takeaway everyone should get from threads like these. Despite commiting self suicide and being destroyed from the inside by foreign influences, pajeets would kill to be born into a European group despite all their cope"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nJoseph, you're 5% Natufian and 8% Yoruba."}, {"id": 14, "content": "yes, btw ilya yesterday you spoke with an american that told you something about affirmative action and brahmins, that one was darktroon"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nLevites are E1b1b. Z282 is an slave caste even used as slaves by other R groups.\n\n>>13\nMordvix your N1c Uralic leader is responsible for the death of 100,000s of R1a and R1b fodder and will soon conscript you."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>yes\nWhich way?\n>that one was darktroon\nWhere was she wrong? I checked it myself and it seems true, isn't it?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nWow, so Joseph is a literal mulatto! He must larp as a nigger, not as a Semite. We Arabs (80% Natufian, 0% Barcin, 0% Yoruba) despise \"humans\" like him."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nYeah, if Joseph dare to claim he's an Arab in my country (UAE) I'd cut his nigger hand off."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nA fate of every E1b-Hamite when it faces with J1-Semite."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Where was she wrong? I checked it myself and it seems true, isn't it?\nbrahmins are generally one of the richest castes in india, casteism is well and alive in india, nepotism is recurrent and brahmins within all social levels are richer than people of lower castes, brahmins are also overreprenented in charges of economic relevance within and outside india\nwhile vaishas are not poor, brahmins still very high socially"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>>18\n>>19\nMordvix retard you are not Semitic or living in UAE, you are a 165 cm mutt with worthless Z282 ancestors who became the world's word for \"slave\" for 2000 years, and N1c Uralic will conscript you to die in Ukraine."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\nSo do they exist? When I put \"reservations india\" I got this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India\nIt's literal welfare.\nAlso there're many articles describing Brahmins losing their status but idk if it's coping or begging:\nhttps://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3779.html\nhttps://www.hindustantimes.com/india/are-brahmins-today-s-dalits-in-india/story-GUMXtPlPb3v9XYXcEXPGHP.html\nhttps://scroll.in/article/903542/why-it-is-utterly-wrong-to-call-brahmins-the-new-jews-of-india\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1ochcx/the_true_state_of_brahmins_in_india/"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nMordvix is around 183cm, has heroic body proportions and an east nordid pheno"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>brahmins within all social levels are richer than people of lower castes, brahmins are also overreprenented in charges of economic relevance within and outside india\nNo one disputes that Brahmins are economically better off than Dalits and tribal populations. The question is whether they're still the most socially powerful caste, or if the middle castes (warriors, merchants, landlords, etc.) are more powerful."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>unknown\nThere are no reservations in India ala U.S they do have reserved seats in parliament though.\nBecuz multiethnic nation."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nHe lives here. This should tell you enough about his health and bodily proportions."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nno, brahmins are about the most represented high caste socially and economically, they aren't anywhere near to lose status, it's only leftist high caste people that wants to give gibs to dalits"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>warriors\nNot included as Kshatriyas are the same as Brahmins and Jats have even a higher percent.\n>Brahmins are economically better off than Dalits and tribal populations\nSo that's for sure? What about affirmative actions?\n>>27\nMay you post articles or something please?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>It's pakistano-russian indian politics expert hours."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>>26\n>>21\nBegone already, retarded negro, even poos are way whiter (and Semitic too) than you, filthy mulatto. You're not needed, stop begging for piss."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nI'm not leaving faggot.\nYou created this shithole and you will live in it."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nthe reason affirmative actions are given is because kashtriyas and brahmins are the least empoverished castes in india, there is a very high nepotism in brahmins, most indians in high positions outside india are brahmins"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>the revolt of negro (e1b) slave against his semitic (r1a) owner"}, {"id": 34, "content": "In the same vein, it is Muslim OBCs and Muslim Dalits followed by Hindu Dalits (Paasi and Chamar) that are the most common landless households in UP. Lastly, both the categories also register one of the highest poverty levels.\n\nAlternatively, and perhaps not surprisingly, Brahmins, Thakurs and other Hindu general castes have higher wealth accumulation, lower poverty and lesser exclusion from formal financial services than Dalits. Additionally, within-group income inequalities among upper castes are strikingly less compared to within-group income inequalities observed amongst Hindu and Muslim OBCs and Dalits.\n\nThe research article, titled “Poverty, wealth inequality and financial inclusion among castes in Hindu and Muslim communities in Uttar Pradesh, India”, is authored by Chhavi Tiwari of the Institut National d’études Démographiques (INED), Paris; Srinivas Goli, a Australia–India Institute NGN Scholar; Mohammad Zahid Siddiqui of the Centre for the Study of Regional Development under JNU; and Pradeep S. Salve of the International Institute for Population Sciences."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>Abloo bloo muh letters will make not a social reject any day now.\nYour shithole had not gotten any less frozen.\nYour neighbors are not less Krokodil addicted.\nPiss yourself a little more about your letters."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>>34\nThanks. So India still is a based slave-owning state and was so for 3500 years."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>23\n>>30\n>>33\nYou mean the revolt of mongoloid Z282 slave against his E1b1b Semitic master but even if you escape me you will be conscripted and sent to Ukraine like WW2."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\n>most indians in high positions outside india are brahmins\nProofs? Also, what are \"Hindu General\" and \"Other Hindu General\" on that chart?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>>35\nSo in the end of this thread, pajeets are unironically way whiter than you, Joseph. It's fucking over, just imagine being mogged by pajeets, lmao!"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>Poverty, wealth inequality and financial inclusion among castes in Hindu and Muslim communities in Uttar Pradesh, India\n\n> Caste 1 which is specific to the Indian sub-continent did not receive much attention under SDGs (SDGs, 2017). The discrimination or injustice based on the caste affects one-fifth of the global population and mostly in the regions of South Asia and their Diasporas (Mosse, 2018). India provides an interesting setting with the complex intersecting nature of poverty and identities in terms of caste, class and religion to examine the role of caste (Kumar et al., 2020; Mosse, 2018). Caste groups, as the individual born into, remained the most significant determinants of a lifetime opportunity, source of embarrassment, and social and economic discrimination (Borooah et al., 2014; A. Deshpande & Ramachandran., 2017; Gang et al., 2008; Mosse, 2018; Roohi, 2019). The presence of a higher concentration of wealth with upper caste and decreasing odds of participation in higher profile occupations, returns on education and capital assets as we move down the caste hierarchy, while a substantial increase in the level of poverty, was termed as ‘graded inequality’ by S. Thorat and Madheswaran (2018). The inequality in socioeconomic development across the caste groups has not improved significantly, rather worsened when measured through Caste Development Index (A. Deshpande, 2001). It follows directly from a famous quip, which states, ‘Indians don't cast their votes, they vote their castes’.\n\n\nreservations haven't been working, the wealth gap stills very big and not really close to narrowing"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>proofs\nhttps://www.economist.com/asia/2022/01/01/why-brahmins-lead-western-firms-but-rarely-indian-ones"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>He thinks I'm some butthurt nafri\nI happen to be actually human, and not a spiteful mutant. Unlike you.\nNow please do your letter shtick again. I can already feel you are becoming less worthless every time your sperg off about archaeogenetics syncretized with misunderstood raceology."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nThanks. The beginning of that article (most of which is behind a paywall) states that in India, businesses are dominated by mercantile castes, which is what I thought. So maybe Brahmins are in a good position to become educated, but they have trouble breaking into the upper echelons of Indian business (because the Vaishyas won't let them), causing them to take positions abroad?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nWhat about Jats, btw? They're 30% WSH in UP (while Brahmins are 20%) and hold 7 of 10 governor positions despite being only 30% of the population plus are overrepresented in the military.\n>>43\n>upper echelons of Indian business\nYou must keep in mind those rich Vaishyas are like 0.001% of all Vaishyas and overall Brahmins are way richer as stated in the study above."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\nGet back to work Z282 slave. Your E1b1b Semitic master is growing impatient and will castrate you soon like the worthless Z282 saqaliba you are."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\njats tend to own a lot of land, and is a relatively big caste with a broad range of ownership, unlike lower castes jats have a lot of social mobility upwards, the likely origin of jats in inbreed pastoralist mountain people, likely similar to pamiris. they werent originally integrated on indian society, they arrived relatively late. even then they ascended relatively easy, and they hold a higher status than other castes."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\njats are vaishya caste"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nNot Kshatriya?\n>>46\nAlso don't you know what this Nagar is? Why are its Brahmins so different?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>what this Nagar is\nIt's fucking over... Even among Brahmins...\n>Among Brahmins in Gujarat Nagar Brahmins were most prominent subdivision in the political, economic and social activities of this region both before and during the British period. They have occupied important administrative posts in the courts during the time of the Gujarat Sultanate and the Mughal Empire."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nthere are no jat brahmins or jat kshatriya"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>7\n>>10\nKohanim are actually E-M123, E-M78, E-M81, E-M35*, other haplogroups like R1a and J belong to buck broken Hamites who falsified their genealogy out of shame of being descended from Hamitic slaves.\n\nFinally, a total of 316 samples, of which 78 are first reported herein, carrying haplogroups known to be prevalent among Ashkenazi Jews were selected including E-M123, E-M78, E-M81, E-M35*, >G-M377, J-M12, J-M267, J-M318, J-M410, J-P58, T-M70, Q-M378, and R-M269.\n\n>>18\nYou'd stutter a few words of apology in whatever pajeet gibberish you speak and you would beg me to not report what you said to your current E1b1b owner, I would watch you get lashed & castrated, then i'd go back to my first world country while you spend the remaining of your days working as a slave."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nWhatever.\n>They're 30% WSH in UP (while Brahmins are 20%) and hold 7 of 10 governor positions despite being only 30% of the population plus are overrepresented in the military.\n>>51\nBegone, negrito."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>You'd stutter a few words of apology in whatever pajeet gibberish you speak\nIt's Mordvix not a pajeet."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nMake me asian manlet."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\n>>50\n>>40\nJats are even richer than Brahmins in UP, lol. The absolute correlation with percent of WSH.\n>The estimates of rural poverty were as follows: Muslim Dalits (52.5%), Hindu Dalits (51.9%), Muslim OBCs (38.2%), Hindu OBCs (38.0%), and Muslim General (31.3%). These are much higher compared to the Hindu General (14.4%). At the sub-caste level, the lowest poverty levels were among the Thakur (9%), followed by Brahmins (15.9%) and Other General caste groups (20%). Jaats (15.3%) from Hindu OBCs has less poverty than Brahmins and Other Caste groups but higher than Thakurs."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>15%\nit's one of the poorest provinces in india compare it to south india provinces that have total 9% rural poverty rate dravidians win again"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>Hindu Dalits (51.9%)\n>Hindu OBCs (38.0%)\nHere are your kin, hijra. Also the distinction between Brahmins and dalits in the south is even more severe."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nthose are indo europeans nothing like superior dravidians of south india\n\n>The incidence of absolute poverty in Kerala was much lower than the national average. In 2011-12, in rural areas, the HCR was 9.1 per cent in Kerala and 25.7 per cent at the all-India level.\n\nlow-caste dravidians are wealthier than brahmins and jats"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>unknown\nI am actually paternally Semitic and my auDNA is 40 to 60% Semitic as well. Meanwhile you aren't R1b and and most of your steppe ancestry derives from Uralic people (Karelia) instead of PIE (Khvalynsk) people. Even dalits have more IE/Aryan blood than you."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nNow make a normal model or don't bother me more, pygmy.\n>>58\nHmm, Vaishyas there have the same percent as Brahmins. Interesting."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nFatyanovo is neither PIE nor located in the Eurasian steppe. Give up yellow man, you will NEVER be a Steppe warrior."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nPost your coordinates or begone. Last response, pigmy."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nuR1alic sisters..."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nnow can you add yamnaya to it"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\nOH NONONONO"}, {"id": 66, "content": "what is joseph trying? why is she samefagging?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nThis negrito is still trying to cope with its being a mulatto. This negrito will never post its coordinates or show its closest modern populations or make an acceptable model. This negrito is desperate."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust shows how little you know.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3769933/\n\n>We report genome-wide data from 73 groups from the Indian subcontinent and analyze linkage disequilibrium to estimate ANI-ASI mixture dates ranging from about 1,900 to 4,200 years ago. In a subset of groups, 100% of the mixture is consistent with having occurred during this period.\n\nCurrent stratification began 1900 tears ago."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>from ... to\nWhat are you trying to point, retard? Rigveda was written around 1500 BCE and Aryans already were in pooland. So it's 3500 years of subjugation."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nThere was no stratification 3500 years ago, there was mixture going on from 4200 years ago to 1900 years ago. The Aryans weren't against mixing, their descendants 1500 years later became anti-mixing."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>61\n>tfw the tajik is actually identical to PIE\n>tfw he uses wannabe IE like mordvix in his war against pajeets"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nOf course Aryans took harems of female poos during the first stages of conquest as poos heavily outnumbered Aryans. What's the point, still?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nThe stratification is so long standing that it remains even to this day.\nIt just says a \"subset\" of the groups mixed in that period\nAlso, ANI didn't carried aryan. ANI was ganj dareh"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>61\ngood try mutt"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\n>>61\nthe Khvalinks dude actually clusters near Mordvix.\nit is a half yamnaya half EHG quarter ANE dude, and given it's affinity for estonians i must assume it has some balto-slavic drift\nDistance to: RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n0.08872505 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n0.13877111 Russian_Leshukonsky\n0.14333089 Komi\n0.14390818 Russian_Pinezhsky\n0.14436198 Finnish_East\n0.14758280 Karelian\n0.14801521 Saami_Kola\n0.14849539 Russian_Pinega\n0.15009382 Vepsian\n0.15113055 Finnish_North\n0.15182173 Ingrian\n0.15185725 Finnish_Central\n0.15367775 Russian_Krasnoborsky\n0.15437285 Finnish_Southeast\n0.15577131 Udmurt\n0.15614341 Erzya\n0.15646900 Besermyan\n0.15664032 Russian_Kostroma\n0.16130095 Saami\n0.16229977 Moksha\n0.16296791 Finnish_Southwest\n0.16563544 Estonian\n0.16577065 Russian_Yaroslavl\n0.16617543 Tatar_Mishar\n0.16695720 Russian_Tver\n0.16793849 Latvian\n0.16848096 Tatar_Kazan\n0.17000188 Cossack_Kuban\n0.17111102 Lithuanian_PZ\n0.17202682 Russian_Ryazan\n0.17207189 Russian_Pskov\n0.17242284 Lithuanian_SZ\n0.17389801 Russian_Kursk\n0.17459415 Lithuanian_RA\n0.17473718 Lithuanian_VZ\n0.17558969 Lithuanian_PA\n0.17670389 Russian_Kaluga\n0.17673602 Lithuanian_VA\n0.17772832 Russian_Orel\n0.17860945 Chuvash\n0.17957800 Ukrainian_Dnipro\n0.18003897 Belarusian\n0.18066334 Cossack_Ukrainian"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n\nDistance to: RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n0.13877111 Russian_Leshukonsky\n0.14333089 Komi\n0.14390818 Russian_Pinezhsky\n0.14436198 Finnish_East\n0.14758280 Karelian\n0.14801521 Saami_Kola\n0.14849539 Russian_Pinega\n0.15009382 Vepsian\n0.15113055 Finnish_North\n0.15182173 Ingrian\n0.15185725 Finnish_Central\n0.15367775 Russian_Krasnoborsky\n0.15437285 Finnish_Southeast\n0.15577131 Udmurt\n0.15614341 Erzya\n0.15646900 Besermyan\n0.15664032 Russian_Kostroma\n0.16130095 Saami\n0.16229977 Moksha\n0.16296791 Finnish_Southwest\n0.16563544 Estonian\n0.16577065 Russian_Yaroslavl\n0.16617543 Tatar_Mishar\n0.16695720 Russian_Tver\n0.16793849 Latvian\n0.16848096 Tatar_Kazan\n0.17000188 Cossack_Kuban\n0.17111102 Lithuanian_PZ\n0.17202682 Russian_Ryazan\n0.17207189 Russian_Pskov\n0.17242284 Lithuanian_SZ\n0.17389801 Russian_Kursk\n0.17459415 Lithuanian_RA\n0.17473718 Lithuanian_VZ\n0.17558969 Lithuanian_PA\n0.17670389 Russian_Kaluga\n0.17673602 Lithuanian_VA\n0.17772832 Russian_Orel\n0.17860945 Chuvash\n>0.17945057 Mordvix-K36_Allelocator\n0.17957800 Ukrainian_Dnipro\n0.18003897 Belarusian\n0.18066334 Cossack_Ukrainian\n0.18117211 Tajik_Rushan\n0.18129739 Russian_Voronez\n0.18236253 Swedish\n0.18283974 Russian_Smolensk\n0.18343654 Ukrainian_Rivne\n0.18389312 Ukrainian_Chernihiv\n0.18427233 Tajik_Shugnan\n0.18494445 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr\n0.18510911 Moldovan_o\n0.18524901 Russian_Belgorod\n0.18623386 Ukrainian_Sumy\n0.18646171 Polish_Kashubian\n0.18647688 Polish\n0.18813981 Norwegian\n0.18891571 Icelandic\n0.19050214 Slovakian\n0.19199562 Tajik_Badakshan\n0.19203437 Danish\n0.19336134 Tajik_Ishkashim\n0.19349485 Shetlandic\n0.19421044 German_Hamburg\n0.19483638 Czech\n0.19498871 Irish\n0.19536960 Sorb_Niederlausitz\n0.19566917 Sarikoli_China\n0.19567767 Ukrainian_Lviv\n0.19569216 Orcadian"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nMordvix clusters with mokshas"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nHe is likely part Ashkenazi Jewish desu"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>72\n>What's the point\nThe fairy tale of \"incredibly stratified 3500 year old society\" is deboonked.\n\n>>73\nANI is a fake construct of Iranian ancestry/Ganj Dareh + Indo-European ancestry/Steppe MLBA. It was made explicitly to conflate them together, Reich admits it in the 2018 book and said he and Nick came up with it to get the 2009 paper passed or else the Indian scientists would block it.\n\n>It just says a \"subset\" of the groups mixed in that period\nAncestors of all modern day descendants mixed. The date is derived from generation results and for some groups the results are as recent as 64 generations so those \"subsets\" would not fall in the 1900 year period, those would have kept mixing for even longer."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>ANI is a fake construct\nso useless, it also conglomertes Iranian admixture events wit the indoeuropean ones, the Iranian admixture events would have been when proto-dravidian arrived the peninsula via IVC.\nits useless.\nand\n>The date is derived from generation results and for some groups the results are as recent as 64 generations so those \"subsets\" would not fall in the 1900 year period, those would have kept mixing for even longer.\nso in the early middle ages? lel"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\njoseph, you're half south french half moroccan\nthose kerkouane samples aren't homogeneous, some plot with north italians and some plot with saharawis\nthe average looks like a 25% nafri 75% european mutt, you end up around there by chance because you are also an european-nafri mutt, not because you belong to some ancient population\nthis is not hard to understand joseph"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>the average looks like a 25% nafri 75% european mutt\nthis must be why it only scores 5% natufian"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\n>Indian scientists\nMy sides!"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\n>is deboonked\nIt's not. Aryans arrived in 1500 BCE with their conquest and in 2023 CE the system they built is still present so it's 3500 years.\n>>82\n>>unknown\nWe already got his actual coordinates, it's for sure he's twice more Yoruba than Natufian."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\n>so in the early middle ages? lel\nThe oldest are 144 to 83 generations ago for South Indians and the most recent ones are 113 to 64 generations ago for North Indians.\n\nANI is useless in telling the difference in the mixture times for high Iran_N populations with high AASI populations vs high Steppe populations and high AASI populations, and also has little use in telling admixture times for high Iran-N and high Steppe populations. It can tell when a population high in either Iran_N or Steppe ancestry mixed with a population high in AASI ancestry. And the date of mixture isn't when the mixture began, it is when the mixture ended. Knowing when mixtures began can be done by looking at ancient DNA and Swat DNA has AASI ancestry, so at least as early as ~1000 BC there was AASI admixture and the mixture event ended 2000 to 1500 years ago."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>It's not. Aryans arrived in 1500 BCE with their conquest and in 2023 CE the system they built is still present so it's 3500 years.\nThe system wasn't built until 100 AD."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nit accounts for an admixture even of AASI with an iranian component, and it later conflates it with the Steppe component, ANI is from the start a skewed component because it assumed a single admixture of irano-steppe individuals with ASI when iranic individuals arrived way earlier.\nit starts with a bad premise, consequentialy i will just drop it"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>The varnas originated in late Vedic society (c. 1000–500 BCE)."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>>85\nit is also giving a regional average overall, accounting with these error margins provided it conflates BMAC with Steppe, it is rendered useless, unless a specific study dating the last aadmixture event of ASI with sintasha ancestry is measured is dropped ofc"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\n>>85\nWho were those IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 dudes? They seem to be an essential component of poo genetics."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>81\n>>82\nMordvix you are a hapa larping as European, stop this LARP and go back to Siberia."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\ni heard IVC from some poojat here, not sure"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>88\nAdmixture didn't stop until 100 AD.\n\n>>87\nIf you want to know the beginning of the date of some admixture, the methods in the paper won't help you anyway. Those methods help establish when the admixture ended. Ancient DNA shows local admixture in Swat since 1000 BC."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\n>32.6% Asian\nOH NO NO NO NO NO"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>90\nGlobal25 BA2 samples are a mix of Narasimhan's BA2 and BA3. Ba3 was a more AASi shifted version of BA2, and is combined with BA2's group average in global25, IDK which sample IDs belonged to BA3.\nBA2 is more representative than BA1 of what might have been IVC's core population."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\n>During the time of the Rigveda (1500 - 1200 BCE), there were two varnas: arya varna and dasa varna. The distinction originally arose from tribal divisions. The Vedic tribes regarded themselves as arya (the noble ones) and the rival tribes were called dasa, dasyu and pani. The dasas were frequent allies of the Aryan tribes, and they were probably assimilated into the Aryan society, giving rise to a class distinction. Many dasas were, however, in a servile position, giving rise to the eventual meaning of dasa as servant or slave.\nPeriod.\n>>95\n>>92\nSo it's really IVC. Thanks."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>93\nthe paper doesn't gives intraspecific admixture dates for each group, and probably estimates when did the last unmixed iranic component became mixed with ASI, later agreggation of this irano-ASI components to the sintasha//irano-sintasha would give skewed numbers because it assumes admixture events equating two groups that weren't the same, and as such when one is admixed and it later keeps mixing with the Steppe group is not accounted correctly\n\nthe paper is useless not only because it uses non existing components, but because it conflates two different elements sorry"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nVarna is pretty old. But that doesn't preclude mixing. Especially with evidence that mixing didn't stop until 100 AD, or possibly even later."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nThere already was a stated system of segregation. Dasa were second-class people, it's undoubtedly and it exactly was the original point."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nThat interpretation may not be wrong in isolation but it has less persimony.\nEven more- you don't have to go with that convoluted scenario, because we don't have the modern isolation. We have 1000 BC Swat samples. They have AASI.\n\nTarget: PAK_Gogdara_IA:I8194\nDistance: 3.0802% / 0.03080174\n48.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n17.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n16.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n13.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n5.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n\nTarget: PAK_Gogdara_IA:I8193\nDistance: 2.8985% / 0.02898539\n37.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n29.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n17.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n11.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n3.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n\nThere wasn't a restriction on the basis of nativeness. If there were, these results wouldn't exist."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\n>segregation\n>mixing\nNot compatible. The Varna system, if it was a way to prevent mixing, did an awful job at it. The society from 100 AD onward did a much better job."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\neh, the sintasha in those is even lower than in modern south indian brhamins, i don't think they are worth much"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nIt did a good job, Brahmins have at least twice as much WSH as Greeks who invaded a similar environment."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\n17% Sintashta is more than the average in most South Indian brahmin groups. Less than North Indian Brahmins. Probably like generic North Indians."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nIt did such a good job that they picked up over 80% non-steppe ancestry by 1000 BC.\nAlso\n>8.4% EHG\nThats like what? 15% Yamnaya. In South Asia that would be like 22% Sintashta. Thats about as much as North Indian Brahmins have. A little more than these >>100"}, {"id": 106, "content": "Target: Brahmin_Telugu\nDistance: 10.5000% / 0.10500025\n42.4 Onge\n41.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n16.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu\nDistance: 10.4921% / 0.10492097\n43.4 Onge\n40.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n15.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Kerala_Nambudiri\nDistance: 10.3516% / 0.10351642\n41.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n41.2 Onge\n17.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\neh about the average"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>22% Sintashta\n22% Yamnaya, 30% Sintashta."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nNambudiri are probably the most steppe rich South Indian Brahmins, if not then they are up there.\nAlso\n>onge\n>using iran_n directly\n>those bad fits\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Telugu_Vaidiki\nDistance: 2.2968% / 0.02296752\n65.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n17.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n16.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n0.6 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Telugu_Niyogi\nDistance: 3.9355% / 0.03935474\n55.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n20.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n15.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n8.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Telugu\nDistance: 1.4653% / 0.01465311\n62.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n16.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n15.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n4.8 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n1.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu_Iyer\nDistance: 1.0323% / 0.01032304\n60.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n18.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n15.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n3.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n2.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu_Iyengar\nDistance: 2.0374% / 0.02037424\n61.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n19.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n14.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n3.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n1.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu\nDistance: 1.9617% / 0.01961706\n61.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n16.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n14.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n5.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n2.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Konkani_Catholic\nDistance: 3.0257% / 0.03025675\n55.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n19.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n18.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n3.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n2.8 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Kerala_Nambudiri\nDistance: 1.5803% / 0.01580255\n65.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n15.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n13.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n4.8 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Karnataka_Tulu\nDistance: 2.7355% / 0.02735518\n63.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n14.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n13.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n7.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n1.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nyes, indeed quite different, its not very useful, as we know pakistanis are not telugu brahmins anyway.\nunless you posted it to prove that aryans did raped north indian populations, which we know, as all indian castes have aryan dna in more or less measure, it doesn't really involves much"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nWhy are you splitting Sintashta into Yamnaya and Anatolian?\n\nTarget: Brahmin_West_Bengal\nDistance: 1.0325% / 0.01032485\n54.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n21.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n18.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n3.2 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n2.2 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East_o\nDistance: 7.0611% / 0.07061123\n59.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n28.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n11.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East\nDistance: 2.5243% / 0.02524288\n62.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n23.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n14.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_UP_Lucknow_o\nDistance: 3.2605% / 0.03260466\n39.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n16.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n13.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n11.2 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n10.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n9.8 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_UP_Lucknow\nDistance: 1.7201% / 0.01720101\n50.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n20.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n12.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n10.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n3.2 Kinh_Vietnam\n3.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_UP_Braj_Kanyakubja\nDistance: 2.8451% / 0.02845090\n53.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n27.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n14.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n4.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.8 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_UP_Awadh_Saryupareen\nDistance: 1.8315% / 0.01831520\n59.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n24.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n11.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n4.2 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Rajasthan\nDistance: 3.2585% / 0.03258536\n63.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n26.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n6.6 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n1.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.8 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n\nMost North Indian Brahmins are 20% to 25% Sintashta, some are higher."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>108\n>S_AASI_Sim_Av\n>NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\nWhy can't you just use official sources without that trash?\n>IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\nWhat should it show if we already took BA2 as IVC?\n>>110\n>why are you splitting\nDidn't understand the question. It's what it is, a mix. Though I was surprised it got some Barcin at all, I was told it was Steppe_EMBA who entered India."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>107\nSome more\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Manipuri\nDistance: 3.5503% / 0.03550261\n31.2 Kinh_Vietnam\n19.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n16.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n14.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n13.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n4.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Kumaon\nDistance: 3.0243% / 0.03024291\n46.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n23.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n17.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n10.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n2.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Jammu_Dogra\nDistance: 2.5466% / 0.02546632\n57.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n20.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n15.8 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n4.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n1.2 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Himachal_Pradesh_West\nDistance: 1.7937% / 0.01793698\n52.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n21.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n9.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n7.6 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n6.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n2.8 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Gujarat_Nagar\nDistance: 2.7863% / 0.02786290\n62.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n29.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n6.6 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n1.6 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.6 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Gujarat_Bardai\nDistance: 2.7449% / 0.02744934\n66.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n22.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n6.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n5.6 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Gujarat_Audichya\nDistance: 1.7066% / 0.01706617\n65.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n20.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n8.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n6.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Gujarat\nDistance: 0.9522% / 0.00952243\n63.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n22.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n7.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n6.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nNagar Brahmins are outlier, more Steppe than any other Brahmins group. The average is 22% when excluding low Steppe outliers."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n>are outlier\nThose are the most powerful ones from the richest region, that's whom we should compare with the samples from the richest Greek burial."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>109\nHence, the fairy tale of segregation makes no sense. It would be like if segregation allowed for mixing and also somehow allowed varying amounts of non-steppe male lineages to mix in as well. Far fewer than non-steppe female lineages, but it would still be crazy. African Americans for some comparison have about 20% European American ancestry in a society where the majority of the people were European American. South Asians from 1000 BC had 17% Steppe in a society, where the incoming steppe people were a minority. It was nothing like segregation."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>111\nYou are arguing with the shitalian goblinito. Or is it my impression?"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nIf you unearthed a colonial mexican you will find that he is 20-30% iberian and 70% amerindian. How does that proves or disproves the iberian elite in mexico? Or the existence of racial segregation specially in upper social classes? You argument is dumb"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPakistani \"aryans\" look like standard basic bitch sand niggers. Not to say dravidians are pretty but if you think arabs are white then so are pakistanis."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\nNo, this one is barely him.\n>>114\n>makes no sense\nThe coppest copium.\n>allowed for mixing\nThey conquered already a well-developed urbanized society, of course their elites were MOSTLY allowed.\n>South Asians from 1000 BC\nThose are Shudras likely, modern Brahmins are 22% WSH."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>111\n>Why can't you just use official sources without that trash?\nThat \"trash\" is derived much in the same way the \"official\" sources like Narasimhan's simulated AASI was derived in his qpadm model and it replicates the Narasimhan qpadm results well enough. It would be better to use an actual AASI coordinate, but for now I prefer simulated AASI over Onge. \"Official\" Onge makes 10+ distance models, which are automatically low quality.\n\n>What should it show if we already took BA2 as IVC?\nBA1 and BA2 are both part of the indus periphery groups.\n\n>Didn't understand the question. It's what it is, a mix. Though I was surprised it got some Barcin at all, I was told it was Steppe_EMBA who entered India.\nSteppe MLBA entered India. Sintashta has EEF, EEF has Barcin-like ancestry."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nPost the AASI simulations. Im curious"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\n>>119\nI mean the coordinates"}, {"id": 122, "content": "oh, this thread again. lovely. lets see what is the results of latest international schizoposting olympics."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>119\n>\"official\"\nYes, it's official.\n>Onge\nUse Paniya or Pulliyar.\n>Steppe MLBA\nWhat about these Reich or someone's claims about EMBA?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>113\nYou want outliers? Here are outliers:\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East_o\nDistance: 7.0611% / 0.07061123\n59.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n28.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n11.4 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Brahmin_UP_Lucknow_o\nDistance: 3.2605% / 0.03260466\n39.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n16.4 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n13.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n11.2 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n10.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n9.8 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n\nTarget: Brahmin_Gujarat_o\nDistance: 1.6267% / 0.01626682\n69.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2\n17.8 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n11.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n1.4 NW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av\n0.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1\n0.0 Kinh_Vietnam\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nThey have less steppe ancestry, so excluding them raises the average to 22. Including them lowers it a bit. Most North Indian Brahmins are around 22% Sintashta, some group exceed 25% on average, and no one reaches 28% except for Nagar Brahmins, and one subgroup within UP Brahmins (with others being 25%, 20%, 23% steppe and outliers in UP being 11.4% and 13% steppe)."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>110\nHe thinks Yamnaya are brown and wants to measure that ancestry in particular so he can larp."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\n>What about these Reich or someone's claims about EMBA?\nThose are shit pushed by troonwitch"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>116\n>disprove elite\nI never said anything about disproving elites having more steppe. But presence of more steppe in elites doesn't prove segregation. The Iberian Casta of Latin America strongly contrasted segregation in the US."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\nNagar brahmins have the particullarity of higher social and economic status compared to other brahmins from the same region\nIt seems that the higher the class the more isolative their dna appears.\nThe evidence of those outliers involves gradual admixture events of recent origin actually"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>118\n>They conquered already a well-developed urbanized society, of course their elites were MOSTLY allowed.\n*collapsed post-urbanized society. Aryans arrived after the IVC period was over.\n>Those are Shudras likely, modern Brahmins are 22% WSH.\nShudras with 17% Steppe and Brahmins with 22% Steppe does not help the segregation argument."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>120\nNW_AASI_Sim_modern_Av,0.103264863,-0.068565261,-0.081482266,0.019874918,-0.061292255,0.033864063,0.002487163,0.007363077,-0.023923482,-0.008440323,-0.034479123,-0.024355841,0.013807982,0.026921519,-0.02652955,0.017316558,0.009281582,0.002437792,0.02221875,-0.026191688,-0.028257397,-0.00673951,0.000417324,0.019838871,0.023380064\nS_AASI_Sim_Av,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0.039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946\n\n>>123\nIDK about Reich making claims like that recently. There were 2015/2016 models using Yamnaya but 2018 Narasimhan paper showed that the contributor was Sintashta.\n\n>Use Paniya or Pulliyar.\nWhen I do that, people accuse me of trying to hide stuff because Paniya have IVC ancestry and thats all they need to rave on about stuff. I posted the populations targeted and their inputs here. Try modeling them on your own on vahaduo with Paniya instead of Simulated AASI if you don't like using simulateds."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>127\nLatin american higher social classes are way more iberian if not entirely contrasted to normal mexicans for instance.\nAnd even then they raped and mixed with them downwards. One thing does not involve the other cannot happen.\nThe other is for instance the dutch VOC officials vs indo-hapas.\nThe highest charges were normal dutch. The lower ones different degrees of hapas mostly on the indonesian side.\nThe existence of a downwards admixture gradient does not involve that segregation is or not practiced within upper elites.\nOtherwise indian underclasses would have 0 steppe anyway, whatever you are trying to prove with that model is the same you ciuld prove by posting a random shudra.\nNothing new nor striking. Its simply meaningless overall.\nThe existence of indohapas does not involves that dutch VOC higher officials were not dutch"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nwhats the difference between the two samples?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>128\n>The evidence of those outliers involves gradual admixture events of recent origin actually\nThey haven't mixed after 100 AD. UP Brahmins at least haven't mixed since 494 BC to 115 AD depending on the subgroup."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>126\nGot it. I've pushed it too all the time, my bad.\n>>129\n>collapsed\nEven more coppest copium. Aryans literally had sieged cities.\n>Shudras with 17% Steppe\nFrom Iron Age Pakistan. Even modern OG Pakis are about 20% Sintashta.\n>>130\n>people accuse\nNah, those are poos, who cares?\n>>133\nOkay, it was not 3500 years but 2500. Are you satisfied now?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>132\nOne is derived from modern South Indians, the other is derived from using modern Northwestern Indians.\n\n>>131\n>The existence of a downwards admixture gradient does not involve that segregation is or not practiced within upper elites.\nWe know what the results of segregation were like in America as a prime example. 80% of the population were whites, 20% were blacks, and blacks only got 20% admixture from whites. In Apartheid South Africa, Whites received under 10% admixture from all non-whites who were the majorityt. That low level of admixture ic characteristic of segregation. That is not seen in Latin America or India. Latin America and India don't represent segregation. They represent hierarchy without segregation. The segregation in India came much much later. Meanwhile in India, Brahmins are 22% Sintashta and some 1000 BC South Asian gets 17% Sintashta. Generic North Indians might be a little less than 17% Sintashta, but they are still around 12%-15% Sintashta. Furthermore, there are groups with over 30% Sintashta in India that aren't upper caste."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\n>They haven't mixed after 100 AD\nthe fact you posted these outliers proves otherwise, also i'm pretty sure the manipuri brahmins and the existence of recent formation castes are very strightforwards evidence of otherwise. with a mixture of 1.5%/100% avg each 100 years you will get very diluted numbers in 1000 years\nand you don't have evidence of that other than a study using bad sources"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\n>Even more coppest copium. Aryans literally had sieged cities.\nAryans weren't around when the cities were used. Time travelling aryans are only in your fantasies.\n>From Iron Age Pakistan. Even modern OG Pakis are about 20% Sintashta.\nSo much for \"segregation\".\n>Okay, it was not 3500 years but 2500. Are you satisfied now?\nCloser to 2000 when you look across all groups, and now you know better than before."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>136\nManipur Brahmins are a rare side case that only emerged after a later migration into Eastern India which happened closer to historic times. North Indian Brahmins picked up and migrated there. This is long after arrival of Aryans. Mixing happened in the time of Aryans, mixing stopped long after the time of Aryans."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>135\n>that aren't upper caste\nJats are quite wealthy, see above.\n>>137\n>weren't around\nCope.\n>\"segregation\"\nYou have a meme definition of that term, it's a worthless discussion.\n>closer to 2000\nOkay. 2000 thousand years of subjugation of dravidian hijra apes by the WSH-richest people in the (urbanized) region."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>135\n>We know what the results of segregation were like in America as a prime example\nin late stage colonial society with puritan christian values where things lie rape were deeply disregarded and punished? well yes, but i don't think this is relevant for the indoiranian vedic society. south african whites are 1-2% subsaharan in average. they have more indochinese ancestry that the grabbed before forming as afrikaners. totally it accounts for like 4.5% of their dna. however, cape coloreds are a deeply mixed population. and this is in a context of a modern post-enlightment society where rape was considered inmoral.\nlatin america has high segregation in the upper social classes even if not formalized, if anything it proves that even without a formalization of segregation upper castes will still practice it and downwards genetic gradients will happen\nyour average south mexican poor person might have 20-25% iberian ancestry in the highest end, your average south mexican of very high class must be 80-90% iberian average, the so called \"whitexicans\""}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>138\ndo you have any proof that does not conflates iranic with steppe ancestry? many of these studies trying to pinpoint last admixture events placed for isntance last england admixture events arround the early middle ages because it started with the wrong premise that the non-scandinavian part in english was welsh, then,they decided to add gaulish and it turned out it was in the late middle ages.\na bad premise can skew an entire genetic evaluation"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>139\n>wealthy\nNot upper caste. That wealth is from modern times.\n>You have a meme definition of that term, it's a worthless discussion.\nThat is the only correct definition. When you mix you don't not mix. Basic logic.\n>Okay. 2000 thousand years of subjugation of dravidian hijra apes by the WSH-richest people in the (urbanized) region.\nLe 22% face vs le 15% lmao. Yeah, sure is segregation.\n\n>>140\n>latin america has high segregation in the upper social classes even if not formalized, if anything it proves that even without a formalization of segregation upper castes will still practice it and downwards genetic gradients will happen\nProof of segregation? And don't bring up hierarchy because that is a different thing.\n\n>your average south mexican poor person might have 20-25% iberian ancestry in the highest end, your average south mexican of very high class must be 80-90% iberian average, the so called \"whitexicans\"\nResult of a hierarchical system without segregation."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\n>Result of a hierarchical system without segregation.\nwhich proves hierachy involves segregation even if not formalized, let alone when its typified\ni think your previous answers were some attemt of stressing some semantic discordance, i wont adress that"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>141\n>do you have any proof that does not conflates iranic with steppe ancestry?\nIn which case? Manipuri Brahmin? The model I posted uses Sintashta as a separate component. If you are talking about the ncbi paper, then that shows the last period of mixing between ANI and ASI. This puts a hard cap on when steppe exchanges would have happened. No ANI admixture post 100 AD means no steppe admixture happening after that, and also no Iran-rich groups mixing with less Iran-rich groups either. That is when the segregation starts. Before that, there is mixture and the direct evidence of mixture goes back to at least 1000 BC."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\n>which proves hierachy involves segregation even if not formalized, let alone when its typified\nNo, it proves that hierarchy doesn't need segregation. Hierarchy = different groups placed in a rank based on ancestry. Segregation = not mixing and kept apart. The period of not mixing begins 100 AD.\n>i think your previous answers were some attemt of stressing some semantic discordance, i wont adress that\nSegregation = not mixing. It is very straightforward. I never denied hierarchy in general society."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\nThere's no real segregation. He might be thinking of the fact there are gated communities. But there's no enforced separation of spaces. A lot of rich people drive or walk through the same streets poor people walk through.\nAddendum: Depending on the country very few of the latin american elites are purely Iberian anymore. Ironically, in more than one country the elite is (at least partly) made up of Arabs (from the middle east in general) rather than huwhites."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>142\n>modern times\nThey were literal Scythians originally and then Kshatriyas.\n>le 22% face\nI repeat, both Greeks and Aryans arrived into very urbanized areas with locals outnumbered them by hundreds times, for such environments thise were the greatest reproductive successes."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>145\n>different groups placed in a rank based on ancestry\nWas it worth all that? You obviously knew it's exactly what implies."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>144\nit doesnt, the paper implies that the ANI and ASI direct contacts only happened before 100 AD, not that ASI-ANI admixed groups didn't mixed with other ASI-ANI admixed groups, which starts with a skewed premise as it assumed ANI as a mixture of Steppe + Iran, consequentially hiding whatever admixture might or not have happened within iran-ASI mutts and Steppe as both the iran and Steppe in these two is considered ANI, is not hard cap, is simply a failed premise creating failed conclussions. the other thing is that the outliers imply the existence of genetic influx, a thing the study neglects. and the fact that even within caste irregularity exist implies as well a impossibility for a perfectly even landscape.\nmanipuri brahmins are an evidence of Brahmins having exchanges with local popualtions in recent periods way after 100 AD"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>147\nIndia lost its urban centers hundreds of years before Aryans arrived."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>146\nFew people are truly acquainted with the extent of the protocols of the learned elders of Beirut.\nOf course, outsiders know nothing about this because they get all their knowledge from Holywood and sometimes /pol/ memes."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>150\nNo. Aryans had been sieging cities during their conquest."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>145\n>No, it proves that hierarchy doesn't need segregation. Hierarchy = different groups placed in a rank based on ancestry. Segregation = not mixing and kept apart.\nyes that's exactly what happens in the latin american upper social classes, they don't mix with the natives of lower class, and definitely do not accept them as peers, even if ocasionally specially in more lawless periods they raped them.\nthere is no typified segregation with the hierachy, but it happens.\n\ncape coloreds exist even with south african being segregationist, the reason is that often, and the more further back you go, men would rape women that would not marry"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>151\nBtw there never was actual political segregation at the very least in Mexico. If there was Mexico's 26th president wouldn't have been the comically short Zapotec. And many other countries had many clearly mestizo presidents in the 19th and early 20th centuries."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>148\nIt implies rank and it doesn't imply being kept apart. If it was segregated back then how come the real separation only began 100 AD. Did they just suck at being kept apart until a thousand plus years of mixture?\n\n>>149\nManipur Brahmins were created on a frontier, not analogous to the mainland where things were settling down. The paper proves these groups didn't mix after 100 AD. It specifies nothing about mixtures before they ended. It can't distinguish steppe from Iranian. OTOH we have ancient DNA that proves mixture as far back as 1000 BC. The current jati structure of segregation did not exist before 100 AD, no other way of looking at it. You can draw loopholes of maybe other similar structures existing before 100 AD but to prove that you need ancient DNA and show that they had long established population structures arising from the lack of admixture."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\npost a list of mexican presidents. 90% of them look fully iberian, 10% mexican proper (mestizo/native)\nis obvious that there is a dense class inequity creating genetic barriers"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>152\nCities exist outside of India as well. For that matter who knows maybe they jumbled a bunch of memories. How do you know these weren't Balkans cities from thousands of years before Sintashta or the BMAC cities? Those were around long enough to interact with EMBA ancestors of Sintashta and with Sintashta directly respectively. The timing of Indo-European arrival in South Asia does not allow for city sieging."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>155\n>Manipur Brahmins were created on a frontier, not analogous to the mainland where things were settling down. The paper proves these groups didn't mix after 100 AD. It specifies nothing about mixtures before they ended. It can't distinguish steppe from Iranian.\nwhich is why it is useless, as it considers iranian already a limitator for the periodization of steppe.\nthe ancient dna doesn't implies much, we already knew IE \"mixed\" with indians as they definitely Raped them, the existence of mutts is nothing striking nor it proves that there is not a upper class elite segregated.\nthe whole evidence you are providing is very skewed as much as you insist"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\ni mean we also know that over time many brahmins lost their caste and became outcasts or degraded by mixing with non-brahmins, is not like the existence of mutts proves much"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>153\n>yes that's exactly what happens in the latin american upper social classes, they don't mix with the natives of lower class, and definitely do not accept them as peers, even if ocasionally specially in more lawless periods they raped them.\nNow I see what you are saying- they mixed when they arrived and they stopped mixing after a long time. That is an early period of non-segregation leading to segregation later on. With India, when the segregation started there were no more Sintashta people left, only people with 22% Sintashta ancestry (outliers ranging from 11% to 28% in this caste), and the people they kept apart from were generally lower in steppe ancestry than themselves. But this was long after the Indo-European arrival, and the Indo-Europeans were segregators themselves, their mixed descendants were."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>158\nStill, the arriving Indo-Europeans did not segregate. Their most steppe-rich descendants that practiced this segregation were 22% on average."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>156\nNo actual political segregation still. And the line between \"pure iberian\" and mestizo gets pretty fuzzy looking at phenotypes alone."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>160\ndo you understand that the existence of outliers completely destroys you theory on admixture ceasing because outliers in a caste that is supossed to have been genetically isolated for 2000 years are mathemtically impossible?\nyour entire point relies on a study that fails to diferentiate ancestries and as such gives improper periodizations. which themselves are averages\nit may at best refer to the last ASI tribal groups absorbed by ANI groups. not to the last admixture within groups identified with any of these two clusters mixtures.\nsorry, really"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\n>No actual political segregation still\nthats my precise point, mexico never had segregation typified yet social isolative behaviour happens in upper castes"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nDo you think other non-racially segregated aristocracies regularly outbred with the dirt people or something?\nThis isn't surprising or isolated to racialized caste systems."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>163\n>do you understand that the existence of outliers completely destroys you theory on admixture ceasing because outliers in a caste that is supossed to have been genetically isolated for 2000 years are mathemtically impossible?\nNo it doesn't because, if there was mixing between groups more recently, it would be evident, and it isn't. If anything, outliers within say UP Brahmins could point to structures within Brahmins.\n\n>your entire point relies on a study that fails to diferentiate ancestries and as such gives improper periodizations. which themselves are averages\nThe study shows no mixture between ANI and ASI after a certain time. This also means no mixture between Sintashta and ASI because all of Sintashta is in ANI.\n\n>it may at best refer to the last ASI tribal groups absorbed by ANI groups. not to the last admixture within groups identified with any of these two clusters mixtures.\nFor undetected admixture within ANI you'd need a group that is Iran_N mixing with Sintashta. According to the study even the most ANI-rich group was ~30% ASI. So it would have picked that up even with a shitty definition of ANI. Also, there is more recent work which shows how bottlenecked castes are. So there is absolutely no question of if main groups mixed recently or not- they didn't. Only cases of mixtures producing new groups are on frontiers."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>164\n>social isolative behaviour\nNot the same as segregation."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\nLeaving aside bizarre exceptions like the slzachta, but that really doesn't count."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nMostly because if a peasant with a saber and a technical title of nobility can be an aristocrat then might as well open up the franchise to everyone."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>165\nmexico is a good example because it has a racial component that can be used for visual distinction, i don't think its exclusive to mexico at all. i just pointed mexico because its visual, its general to assimetryc social power structures.\nthey did mixed though, but downwards, outcasts and the ius primae noctiers, only in not-very noticeable ammounts but still"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>155\n>just suck at being\nSee.\n300 Aryans arrive, like 250 are males. They conquer like 10000 local jeets. 225 Aryans take only jeets as wives, like 10 for each one, and 25 top Aryans also (not only) have Aryan women as wives. The rest of jeets go to their reservations being dalits and shudras. There's no additional women input so the second generation also takes pure jeet wives and their descendants already are only 25% Aryan. The high castes stop to take jeet wives and interbreed with each other, when low castes take a generation of them more becoming 13% Aryan.\nIt's that simple."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>166\n>No it doesn't because\nyes it does, the existence of genetic assimetry in groups isolated for 2000 years is simply not possible, even groups with partial isolation become symetrical in 500 years.\noutliers evidence a pattern of recent social assimilation\n>The study shows no mixture between ANI and ASI after a certain time\nyes, because ANI and ASI became non existent, but it never involved anything about anything in between mixing.\n>This also means no mixture between Sintashta and ASI because all of Sintashta is in ANI.\nbecause there was indeed no more ASI, it would need to measure mixture between sintasha and ASI-ANI heavily admixed populations, a thing the study never tried to do. it could be just used as reference to identify the period of ASI extinction on india if anything, but thats about it"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>171\nSo it's only three-four generations i.e. a hundred years therefore counting arrival was from 1500 BCE to 1000 BCE, segregation started in 1400-900 BCE. So it's 3500-3000 years."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>171\n>300 Aryans arrive, like 250 are males. They conquer like 10000 local jeets. 225 Aryans take only jeets as wives, like 10 for each one, and 25 top Aryans also (not only) have Aryan women as wives. The rest of jeets go to their reservations being dalits and shudras. There's no additional women input so the second generation also takes pure jeet wives and their descendants already are only 25% Aryan. The high castes stop to take jeet wives and interbreed with each other, when low castes take a generation of them more becoming 13% Aryan.\n2 problems- no evidence of \"top 25\" aryans taking only aryan women as wives. Also the numbers are too skewed. I have heard that the x chromosome: autosomal breakdown of the Sintashta contribution isn't nearly that skewed.\n\nHere is a more accurate picture:\nAryans arrive, establish themselves at the top. Mix with natives, their sons are mixed, who then mix with more natives (wouldn't happen in segregation). All this time, the descendants of Aryans keep their higher rank while being mixed AF. Then hundreds of years later their descendants issue a ban on mixing, and the mixing stops. Segregation begins."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>174\ndarktroon cope"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\n>taking only\nI literally wrote \"not only\".\n>numbers are\nAre you retarded?\n>isn't nearly that skewed\nIt was much more severe than in Europe.\n>their sons\n>who then\nIt's literally in a hundred years overall, idiot.\n>>175\nYeah, it seems it was darktroon playing good as in the thread about death squads."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>173\nIf the segregation started 900 BC we would see that being widespread. We don't see it, so it didn't start then. Simple.\n\n>>172\n>yes it does, the existence of genetic assimetry in groups isolated for 2000 years is simply not possible, even groups with partial isolation become symetrical in 500 years.\n>outliers evidence a pattern of recent social assimilation\nAssumes a well mixed situation where UP Brahmins from the region of what is now the whole state mix and there isn't local irregularities that persist because the local population is high enough. Alternatively, some kind of convert who is rare enough to not be picked up by a method of detection that looks for 1 in 100 outgroup people admixing. So a freak case at best.\n\n>yes, because ANI and ASI became non existent, but it never involved anything about anything in between mixing.\nMixing would have been detected. Even the most ANI rich group was 30% ASI.\n\n>because there was indeed no more ASI, it would need to measure mixture between sintasha and ASI-ANI heavily admixed populations, a thing the study never tried to do. it could be just used as reference to identify the period of ASI extinction on india if anything, but thats about it\nNo ANI-ASI mixture means no Sintashta-anything mixture because that would show up as ANI-ASI mixture. On the other hand, if a 0% Sintashta population with all of its ANI from Iran_N mixed with a high AASI population, it would show up, but since ANI-ASI stops mixing around 100 AD, even those things didn't happen when the mixing stopped."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\n>we don't see it\nWhat? Begone, hijra."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>172\nby considering ANI Composed by Iran + Sintasha the Study is Averaging the dates of the last admixture events, if ANI iran component mixed with ASI in 1000 BC and Sintasha in 1000 AD the study will just drop that it mixed in 0 AD\nsince it erroneously conflates both elements it gives averaged mixed results.\nand we don't know if they even just selected for segments associated with iran"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>176\n>It was much more severe than in Europe.\nPost a comparison of the x-chormosme vs autosomal breakdown if you even know what I am talking about.\n\n>It's literally in a hundred years overall, idiot.\nIndo-Aryan arrival: 1500 BC\nSegregation Begins: 100 AD\n\nRub 2 brain cells in your tiny brain and eek out an answer.\n\n>>175\nI am not darktroon."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>178\n>5'5 120 lbs manlet calling anyone else a hijra"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>180\n>Segregation Begins\nIt begins at worst in 900 BC, don't bother us with your dates taken from your ass."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>182\n>900 BC\nNo evidence."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\nThe conquest was in 1500-1000 BCE, the current state of mixing was achieved 100 years after that. Period."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>177\n>Assumes a well mixed situation where UP Brahmins from the region of what is now the whole state mix and there isn't local irregularities that persist because the local population is high enough. Alternatively, some kind of convert who is rare enough to not be picked up by a method of detection that looks for 1 in 100 outgroup people admixing. So a freak case at best.\nit has 3 outliers out of what? 30 samples? it's like 10% of them, if each generation in the last 300 years absorbed 10% Non-brahmin dna it was enough to erradicate the genetic structure of brahmins\n>Mixing would have been detected. Even the most ANI rich group was 30% ASI.\nthat is irrelevant for my argument.\nmixing would be undetected because it used clean components and its searching for a date in those cleaned components last interactions, the problem here is that we find genetic irregularity, mathematically impossible and that have the study tried to measure recent admixtures would have detected such irregularities causes. and that the study conflates both components that would have contributed different dna components in different periods to different populations structured differently.\n>No ANI-ASI mixture means no Sintashta-anything mixture\nif that was the case even the slightest mixture within a caste substructure would trigger a mixture date, is not happening because the study is measuring direct ASI-ANI admixture, on top of all these problems ASI is not even real and ANI is a useless prediction that does not properly adress the sintasha problem\nthe whole thing is uselesss. im sorry, really"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>182\nWhat is your source for this? Apart from the fact that's way too prehistoric for me to believe it at face value.\n>>180\nLikewise, what are your sources for this?\nSeems too late, I'd assume it was more like 300-200 BC. But then again maybe the varnas become something concrete with the Hindu renaissance."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>186\n>for this\nFor what? The dates of the conquest are from Wiki, the date of mixing's end is just counting: it downs half per generation as conquerors had no their own women and had been practicing polygamy ending on 25% for Brahmins and 13% for Shudras."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>186\nwell not prehistoric but too early.\nReally I think both of you are over and underestimating the dates to make some sort of point that is flattering to your respective ethnies.\nBut I'm fully aware one of you might have sources to discredit my assertion."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>103\nEHG women were spreading the ancestry around"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>184\n0 evidence. Only your headcanon.\n\n>>185\n>it has 3 outliers out of what? 30 samples? it's like 10% of them, if each generation in the last 300 years absorbed 10% Non-brahmin dna it was enough to erradicate the genetic structure of brahmins\nSomething like 4 out of 121 are outliers. Could be in unmixed pockets. Besides, in ancient DNA, the most steppe-rich outlier in South Asia is like 30% Sintashta or something. So its not like there used to be a super steppe rich population. Steppe rich populations vanished long before segregation.\n\n>that is irrelevant for my argument.\nYour argument itself is irrelevant. It is mathematically possible to tell admixture among these populations. Only issue is fine tuning and that won't give radically different results. People were no more than 30% Sintashta back then and no more than 25% or 28% Sintashta in general castes right now. The only case where your wacko argument would make sense is if ANI rich samples with high steppe were around long enough to slowly mix with ANI rich samples with high Iran_n only. Those don't exist.\n\n>if that was the case even the slightest mixture within a caste substructure would trigger a mixture date, is not happening because the study is measuring direct ASI-ANI admixture, on top of all these problems ASI is not even real and ANI is a useless prediction that does not properly adress the sintasha problem\nEverything is some sort of an approximation. If you want to know the 30000 foot view of things, general categories are fine. If there was any more than freak cases of mixture, they would have shown up even on low resolution things."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>187\nI'd rather get my info about prehistoric India (or anything else historical) from books, papers, primary sources, and the like. Rather than Wikipedia, Vahaduo, and the guesstimates I myself make using the former 2 sources. But to each their own."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>186\n>Seems too late, I'd assume it was more like 300-200 BC. But then again maybe the varnas become something concrete with the Hindu renaissance.\nCtrl+f check the NCBI paper listed in the thread earlier on. Its not 100 AD for everyone, for some it is earlier for some it is later. For example they have 2 UP Brahmin groups, 1 stopped mixing ~2500 years ago and the other stopped mixing ~1900 years ago.\n\n>>189\nNot be obtuse."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>191\n>IM SOOO SMART AND SCIENTIFIC LOOK AT MY SCIENTIFICITY I READ LE HECKIN BOOKS BROS\n>>>>/reddit"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>192\nAh. I see. Do we have any concrete dates for the spreading/establishment of the caste system?"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>82\nDishonest model. Barcin is a mixture of WHG and Levant_N/Natufian so it hides most of the Semitic ancestry carried by TUN_Kerkouane. Here is a proper model:\n\nTarget: TUN_Kerkouane_IA\nDistance: 6.4465% / 0.06446499\n63.0 Levant_PPNB\n13.4 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n11.8 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n7.0 RUS_Karelia_HG\n2.6 MAR_EN\n2.2 Yoruba\n\nDistance to: TUN_Kerkouane_IA\n0.12006488 Levant_PPNB\n0.13642778 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n0.16616344 IRQ_Nemrik9_PPN\n0.31739074 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n0.31871318 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n0.36969677 RUS_Karelia_HG\n0.37175687 MAR_EN\n0.46059698 Onge\n0.67481821 Dinka\n0.71748543 Yoruba\n0.90913778 Mbuti"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>193\n>HOW DARE YOU ASK ME FOR SOURCES BEYOND THE GUESSTIMATES I MAKE ON WIKIPEDIA YOU STUPID REDDITOR, WHATEVER TRIPE SPEWS FROM MY MOUTH IS THE WORD OF GOD M'KAY\n>>>/Faggotsville/"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>190\n>Something like 4 out of 121 are outliers. Could be in unmixed pockets. Besides, in ancient DNA, the most steppe-rich outlier in South Asia is like 30% Sintashta or something. So its not like there used to be a super steppe rich population. Steppe rich populations vanished long before segregation.\nwe have like what? 5 ancient indians? by a matter of fact we know that jats still exist to this day, which already disproves that steppe rich vanished.\n>Something like 4 out of 121 are outliers\nmore like 3 or 4 for each brahmin dataset of 20-30.\nits proportionally significant\n\n>Your argument itself is irrelevant. It is mathematically possible to tell admixture among these populations\nif you mislabel the source, the result will naturally come out mislabeled because these studies measure the lenght of segments, when half of the segments you are measuring are dissolved becasue they arrived way before and you consider them the same as segments that arrived early, when you do the calculations to average a introgression date accounting for various segments you packed alltogether it will giv you a skewed result, this is why the whole study is meaningless if we are to measure the last sintasha + ASI-Iran mutt admixture, because it packs the iran genetic substructure together with the Aryan one and gives you a average result measuring derived dna from both and accounting it as the same.\nits mathematically and methodically useless\n\n\ncall me when a good model its done, until then we simply know that there is a difference of 500% steppe within the same regions depending on caste in modern india, 3000 years after casteism started"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>196\n>THIS ENCYCLOPEDIA IS NOT LE SOURCE BUT LE BOOK FROM WHICH THE SAME INFO WAS TAKEN IS TRULY LE REAL LE SOURCE BRO YOUR SO UNSCIENTIFIC\nSøy."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>194\nHistorically, no. The dates for Jatis are in the papers. Varna is older, possibly up to 1000 BC."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Spaniards and Russians generally look so estrogenated?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "In russian case it's domestication caused by early created centralized government and serfdom"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Source: trust me bro\n>westoids didnt live in serfdom for centuries"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nrussian serfdom was the most brutal, lasted longer.\nRussian centralized government (Oprichniki for example) were as deadly as inquisition if not deadlier"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What percentage was\n>Arab\n>Iberian\n>Berber\n>Sub-Saharan African\n???"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I don't know, so I'm building a time machine to go back to the 8th century and administer DNA tests to enough people to get a good sample size of Iberia.\n\nOkay I'm back, that took 30 years of my life and it turns out they're actually ethnically Han chinese."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nMy andalusí ancestors..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Arab\n33%\n>Iberian\n33%\n>Berber\n1%\n>Sub-Saharan African\n33%"}, {"id": 5, "content": "90% hispano-roman"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nHoly shit he actually did it"}, {"id": 7, "content": "50% Berber 50% Sub-Saharan African"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarly Andalus: 95% Iberian 5% Arab\nMiddle to Late Andalus: 85% Arab 15% Iberian"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nKek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Romans have a conception of race outside of skin color?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir concept of race was very different than our modern concept of race. To them things like skin color were just traits that defined people from certain regions and it never went any deeper than that."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis\n>>1 (OP)\nThe racial contrast between all groups in the empire was not big compared to the difference of say between a white and black American living side by side. Skin colour wasn’t a big deal when the people who are darker or lighter than you are hundreds of miles away and governed by a local who’s trying to assimilate to your way of life. Outside of Rome, there wasn’t that big of a exchange of populations throughout the empire with genetics remaining unaffected"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSkin color mattered but it wasn't as important as where you came from. Celtic? Greek? Egyptian? Persian? Which people you came from mattered."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Romans considered themselves the same race as Arabs but thought Turks and Gauls were a different race."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot Roman, but here's an interesting bit that shows how Egyptians viewed race, from the Hymn to the Aten, written during the reign of Akhenaten (about 1340 BC):\n>The foreign lands of Syria and Nubia, and the land of Egypt,\n>You set everybody in his place and supply their needs.\n>They all have their food and their lifetimes are counted.\n>Tongues differ in speech, their characters as well.\n>Their skins are distinct, for You have differentiated the foreigners."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Romans mostly distinguished people outside their domain by tribal affiliation. Within Rome tribal ties didn't seem to matter as much as social status and familial ancestry. Initially there were some special rights granted based on membership to the Latin tribe, to which most of Rome's own population belonged, but this quickly became a default set of basic rights extended to any non-Roman population brought under Rome's control, starting with the rest of Italy outside of Latium (the region inhabited by the Latins, including Romans).\n\nThe Romans noticed the physical differences between different groups of people, such as dark skin, hair color, eye color, height, etc, but did not seem to have any system of classification based on these traits. They weren't above stereotyping or generalizing about a group of people, but tended to do so at the tribal level."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He was unironically just a patsy."}, {"id": 2, "content": "how tall was he?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "yeah I’m orthodox catholic (lutheran)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCringe"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Read the Apostolic Fathers"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Only a Renafag would laugh at this."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were Angloids okay with the Scots but hated the Irish?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglos are subhuman dogs compared to the Irish who were not only more literate but culturally far beyond the English, they even retained more Aryan aspects and had more in common with Nordic Bronze Age than Anglo Saxons did.\n\nReminder the Anglo never conquered Ireland, he tried, repeatedly, was always beaten back, he literally had to settle celtic BVLLs from Scotland in Ireland who were sympathetic to Anglos just so the Irish would demolish him and invade England."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nPotato nationalism is a hell of a drug"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScotts are English Krauts who larp as Celts despite not being Celts. Pretty funny that despite the larp, the Scottish tend to have more Nord dna than the English since Scotland was the base for Nordic raids across much of northern Europe"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Scotland is a LARP fake nationality for one thing:\n\n>the Scottish language was just English sans the French influence as it wasn't conquered by the Normans in 1066\n>90% of Scots live in the lowlands which is just an extension of north England\n>the medieval Scottish kingdom was a bunch of Norman feudal lords who spoke English ruling an English-speaking peasantry\n>the Scots lost every battle they ever fought with England aside from the Pyrrhic victory of Bannockburn\n>the bagpipe is found across Europe and is not native to Scotland\n>the kilt was invented by an Englishman\n>haggis are first mentioned in a 14th century English cookbook"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Scots are Anglos too.\n\n>>2\n>Anglos are subhuman dogs\nThe Irish were ruled by subhuman dogs for 800 years then? lmao"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\ngood chance this is just some American who is 1/56th Irish"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe Irish weren't even real Celts, they were buck broken beaker descendants the Celts (Gauls) decided to rule over."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>aryan\n>irish"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>the Scottish tend to have more Nord dna than the English since Scotland was the base for Nordic raids across much of northern Europe\nAre you talking about Orkney/Shetland? That's hardly representative of the whole of Scotland lol."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey don't hate the Irish, why would they? The hate is entirely one way, always has been."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nBrits and Irish are some of the most Aryan people on the planet (Irish slightly more so because of their greater isolation from outside migration)."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>>1 (OP)\n>Brits and Irish are some of the most Aryan people on the planet"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>>unknown\nSeething dogs\n>>5\nScots are Celtic.\nSimple as.\n>>6\nIreland was never ruled by the English.\n>the Normans\nThey aren’t English and they didn’t rule Ireland.\n>>7\n100% Irish R1b L21.\n>>9\nIrish have more in common with Nordic Bronze Age than Anglo Saxons."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nTypical 7th generation boistonian lol"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Anglo-Saxons are Germanic despite being 70% Pre-Saxon and 20th generation Britons\n>but a pure Irishman becomes something else the second he steps foot anywhere but Ireland"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey weren't ok with Scots either for a long time."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Catholicism and a long history of rebellion."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCromwell murdered the Irish and started never ending conflict between the English and the Irish because...\nIrish were Catholics.\nScottish in other hand were protestants and they were really radical reformeds in that regard."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScots are Protestant."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThey aren’t even true Protestants like Swedes.\nScots are autosomally and historically a non-Germanic people.\nYou will never be Swedish. Modern Swedish animals are not even half Bronze Age Swede."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>t.retard\nYou must be trolling"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nScots aren’t Germanic. You can’t even define Germanic.\nGermanic = Bronze Age Swede, there are now exceptions. They bred and spread Germanic people/culture.\nSimple as."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nScots are Anglos.\nHighlanders are Vikings larping as Celts."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\n>>14\n>>23\n>>21\nYou will never be celtic\nYou will always be a homosexual american LARPer"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>>25\nYou will always be Bronze Age Beaker instead of bronze age Nordic."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI will always be Germanic\nYou will never be celtic, because the celts did not exist\nYou can cope and cry about it but you will never change it"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>>27\n>>27\nYou are not even remotely related to Bronze Age Barrow Kings who spoke proto-Germanic and spread Germanic culture.\nthe fundamental aspect of ethnic identity will always be ancestry."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Honestly the only argument right now is what language Americans will be speaking in the future"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nYes I am\nYou aren't celtic\nyou will never be\nYou can post photos of rugby players you're attracted to all you want but it won't change the fact that you will NEVER be \"\"\"celtic\"\"\"\""}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nI’m American why would I larp as a made up definition of ancient culture that doesn’t exist and language that’s irrelevant?!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>unknown\nYeah there’s no doubt in my mind that if Ireland hadn’t clung to Catholicism like it did and has that its disputatious relationship with Bri’in would have been considerably less hostile and Ireland would be like Scotland today vis a vis its relationship as a part of the UK.\n\n>>6\nScots are Anglos in denial, agreed.\n\nAlso kek @ Paddy\n>Anglos are subhuman dogs\n>we were ruled by subhuman dogs\nGreat cope Paddy.\n\n>>19\nCromwell did not go to Ireland to murder Catholics, he went to Ireland to stamp out monarchism, which was very well received in Ireland at the time, hence all of the fleeing English monarchists going to Ireland. This is such a stupid “we wuz genocided n shit nigga” meme it’s not even funny."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Scots beat their ass whenever they tried the same shit they did in Ireland. Until eventually it was the Scottish monarchy that united the realms for good."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>Because the Scots beat their ass whenever they tried the same shit they did in Ireland\nThe english dominated the scots\nand the \"\"\"Scots\"\"\" are literally just anglos anyway"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a high percentage of subhuman behavior from the Irish."}, {"id": 36, "content": "The French killed 99% of the English, and whatever remains are the dregs."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>14\n>Nordic Bronze Age\nHas nothing to do with actual Aryans."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>The French killed 99% of the English\nBullshit."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\nI'm English, Irish, and Scottish and I despise you."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>2\nCELTIC BULLS FROM SCOTLAND"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nI am entirely German and I think its funny to bully you."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\n>>37\nScots arent Anglo, not in the Slightest, autosomally and historically they are pre-Germanic.\nYou have no relation to Barrow Kings of Sweden."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nI'm not sure you can tell but I'm neither a Scot, Irish, or Anglo. I'm just calling out the schizoid anon claiming to be an Aryan."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>32\n>which was very well received in Ireland at the time, hence all of the fleeing English monarchists going to Ireland.\nmaybe thats where the whole anti-Irish sentiment among the Angloids started, they were seen as a place where political opponents hide"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nGermanics are Aryans.\n>NOOOO ITS HECKIN BROWNS\nits not, Andronovo shared the vast majority of their DNA with modern Swedes and were more or less identical to Nordic Bronze Age.\nmodern \"aryans\" are brown slaves who do not even share a plurality of DNA of Bronze Age Aryans.\n>they called themselves aryans\nwell not \"Aryan\" they called themselves Aryas\njust like the Nordic Bronze Age Barrow Kings who also used the term \"Aryas\" to refer to themselves.\n>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/arjaz"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>Germanics are Aryans"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nYou are that stormfront tier white nationalist on twitter who tries to argue every single civilization in the bronze age were snownigger nordics.\n>arjaz\nNot a commonly used term to denote ethnic designations and Andronovo culture horizon was exactly when Indo-Iranic languages emerged, all burial sites, graves, names of deities, personal names, etc...are Iranic. Nothing to do with Germanics who came from the fucking Baltics."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>maybe thats where the whole anti-Irish sentiment among the Angloids started, they were seen as a place where political opponents hide\nNo, it's because they saw Ireland and thought of them as white chimps"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>\"Oy Seamus we were' Shahs of the Shires, aint that a dallying pewty thought, to'cha?'\""}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nGermanics are Aryans, they called themselves Aryas and are much closer to Andronovo genetically than any Asiatic. This is just a fact.\n>>47\n>you are (straw man) doing something you’re not doing\nLol\n>not common\n???\nIt was a self designation.\nIt is also the same for Celts who said “Aryos”.\n>all Iranic nothing to do with Germanic\nNo one ever said Andronovo was Germanic, but Iranian and Aryan are erroneously given exclusivity when the root for the word “Aryan” was common to all Bronze Age European peoples, which Andronovo was.\nAlso early Germanics had a lot in common with early Iranics.\n\nSeethe about it monkey\n> The people of the Andronovo culture were found to be closely genetically related to the preceding Sintashta culture, which was in turn closely genetically related to the Corded Ware culture, suggesting that the Sintashta culture represented an eastward expansion of Corded Ware peoples. The Corded Ware peoples were in turn found to be closely genetically related to the Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and particularly the peoples of the Nordic Bronze Age. Numerous cultural similarities between the Sintashta/Andronovo culture, the Nordic Bronze Age and the peoples of the Rigveda have been detected.[d]"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>Lol\nYou aren't from around here, newfag.\n>No one ever said Andronovo was Germanic\nYou implicated it via context.\n>but Iranian and Aryan are erroneously given exclusivity\nIts not an error nor is it an inclusive term. Iron Age Iranians and Iranic people did not refer to non-Iranians as \"Aryan\" or \"Arya\". It was an ethnonym exclusivity reserved for Iranic and Aryan language speakers; Scythians, Saka, Dahae, Persians, Medes, Parthians, Cadusii, Gilaks/Daylamites, Manzandaranis, etc...\n>It was a self-designation.\nFor Iranics, not non-Iranics. You would be called Aneran/Anarya (non-Aryans/non-Aryan).\n>bronze age European peoples\nWrong.\n>Since Adolphe Pictet (1799–1875), a number of scholars have proposed to derive the Indo-Iranian stem arya- from the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European (PIE) term *h2erós or *h2eryós, variously translated as 'member of one's own group, peer, freeman'; as 'host, guest; kinsman'; or as 'lord, ruler'. However, the proposed Anatolian, Celtic and Germanic cognates are not generally universally accepted.\n>early Germanics had a lot in common with early Iranics.\nNot at all, snownigger.\n>Most researchers associate the Andronovo horizon with early Indo-Iranian languages, though it may have overlapped the early Uralic-speaking area at its northern fringe.\n>It is almost universally agreed among scholars that the Andronovo culture was Indo-Iranian.[6][38] It is credited with the invention of the spoke-wheeled chariot around 2000 BC,[39][40] if we include the Sintashta culture where the oldest known chariots have been found.[41][42] The association between the Andronovo culture and the Indo-Iranians is corroborated by the distribution of Iranian place-names across the Andronovo horizon and by the historical evidence of dominance by various Iranian peoples, including Saka (Scythians), Sarmatians and Alans, throughout the Andronovo horizon during the 1st millennium BC.\nSeethe and cope."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>Germanics are Aryans\nNope."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>39\ndios mio..."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>34\n>The english dominated the scots\nAt times, sure, but they were forced out every time one way or another and never managed a total subjugation like in Ireland. Usually the anglo could win some field battles but not hold the country afterwards.\n>and the \"\"\"Scots\"\"\" are literally just anglos anyway\nThe Scottish kingdom originates with the Gaelic-dominated kingdoms of Pictland. The Gaelic elites were later normanized, and they expanded to subjugate the lowland Cumbrians who were anglo-briton mutts, but that doesn't change the fact that it's fundamentally a Gaelic entity."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>inates with the Gaelic-dominated kingdoms of Pictland\nLMFAO"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>2\nGet dunked potato nigger lmao"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>51\n>newfag\nbeen here since 2015.\n>you implicated it\n>implying\nno where was it implied, and it is implied not implicated.\n>its not an error or inclusive term\nglad you agree its not inclusive to only Iranic speakers.\nThe term Heryos is a common root for all Aryos Aryas Arjaz etc.\n>Iranic people did not refer to non-Iranic people as Arya\nThey had no contact with other Indo Europeans, otherwise they would have considered them Aryas.\n>ethnonym exclusively reserved for Iranic and Aryan language speakers\nthen why was it used by Celts and Germanics?\nWhy was Arjaz and Aryos used by Northern Europeans if Heryos derivatives like Arya are exclusive to Iranians?\neverything you list past Dahae are rapebabies forced to speak the language of their rulers.\n>you'd be called non-Aryan\nnope, they would see how Aryos and Aryas are near identical and come from the same root, and they would see how Nordic Bronze Age is identical to Andronovo and embrace eachother as kin.\n>wrong\nnope.\nBronze Age Europeans all used heryos derived self describing ethnonyms.\n>not at all snownigger\nliteral brown african looking jeet calling anyone a nigger.\nI myself didnt say that, I am quoting what the archeologists and scholars have found, they have found numerous similarities between Nordic Bronze Age and Andronovo (Aryans)\nleading scholar on Indo-Aryan beliefs and Culture considers them closely related to Nordic Bronze Age.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Bryant_(author)\nPeople who looked Swedish, raped your ancestors, seethe.\n\nThe Andronovo people, the early Iranics, would consider someone living in England today to be more of their kin than any \"Iranian\"."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\nSounds like you are the newfag, faggot. Dont even care about the argument but you talk like a bitch"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>19\n> because...\n>Irish were Catholics.\nWhy the fuck do you post on/his/ when you don't know basic facts about historical canon? I'll do a run down for you\n\n>English Civil War\n>Royalist and anti-royalist faction\n>Royalist faction don't have as many numbers\n>They hire Irish mercenaries\n>Irish mercenaries chimp the fuck out and rape and pillage on behalf of the king\n>This drives even more people who where neutral in the civil war into the army of the anti-royalist roundheads\n>Cromwells army demands retribution for this after the victory of the anti-royalists\n>Cromwell obliges because the army is the only thing keeping the country together, and a lot of what held together his army is this promise of revenge against the Irish for interfering in our civil war\n>Cromwell devastates Ireland.\n\nIt was tit for tat, everyone involved was wrong. History is a cycle of these types of violent outbursts in the name of retribution. Irish seething about Cromwell to this day are cringe."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>10\norkney, shetland, IOM, hebridees, and the general dal-riada area has had a lot of nordic influence. (Erc of Dalriada was a norse man named Eirikr that married into the locals, and whose genetic heritage to the earlier locals was attributed through his son, and not himself and his own fathers)\ntldr; scotland could just as well have been named \"Scaðia\" after the northern princess Skaði that was tricked into marrying the seagod Njorðr (arguably the same figure/lineage as Manannán mac Lir)"}, {"id": 61, "content": "Whether Scottish dumbasses like it or not, Scotland was conquered and refined, made part of the empire. Scotland is sort of funny because nobody is willing to admit English colonization was in anyway beneficial unless it’s with celts, they were primitive white retards that had to be tamed for the betterment of the world."}, {"id": 62, "content": "Victorian England created a massive LARP romanticizing “Highland” culture as the Jacobites were no longer a threat, not unlike what Americans did with Indians once they were subjugated. At the same time, the Irish were still engaging in violent rebellion and starving peasants weren’t as appealing as mountain Chads with kilts and bagpipes."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>40\nMary MacDalena of Gaulilee, descendant of the Gaulatian crusaders of Anatolia.\nMandalorians are based on her peoples.\nThis is the way of Christ."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>32\n>Yeah there’s no doubt in my mind that if Ireland hadn’t clung to Catholicism like it did\nAnglicanism was an objectively retarded religion that tried to be Eastern Orthodoxy but was inferior in every way than died without state support\nThe only benefits you could offer for converting to it were political, which basically made it accepting the mark of the beast. The more you beat down Irishmen for sticking to their ancestral Christian faith (as the Catholic Church had not centralized there until the 1900s) the more right they thought they were."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nno source cited, statement ignored."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>59\ni wasw trying to find where the anti-Irish sentiment started, therefore can we pin point anti-Irish sentiment to English Civil War?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nNo not really, the Irish have a history of being coastal raiders in Britain as long as we have kept records of events in Britain. I was talking about Cromwell specifically. The punitive action in Ireland following the civil war is a direct consequence of the actions of Irish mercenaries. Not that it's justified because of it, but that was the reasoning. The army was essentially in charge after the civil war, for Cromwell to go back on his word in regards to Ireland would have been political suicide, and might have started another civil war."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>No not really, the Irish have a history of being coastal raiders in Britain as long as we have kept records of events in Britain.\nwhen did these coastal raidings happen?"}, {"id": 69, "content": "The actual Celtic regions of Scotland were viewed similarly as the Irish by the rest of Scotland and Europe"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nuntil relatively recently the average Scottish girl was a submissive and breedable redhead, Irish lasses might keep the red hair, but lose out on the other points."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nPlenty of English have red hair, less per % of the population but more overall numbers since England is more heavily populated. Boudica's tribe was famously redhaired.\n\n>>68\nPretty much until the Normans put them down and settled Ireland, the Marcher Lords we call them. This is when the process of Anglicization in Ireland began. So that's 1100 years of raids Ireland subjected Wales/England/Scotland to, but Irish won't talk to you about that because heir education is partisan as fuck."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nso... we can say that the modern Anti Irish sentiment is evolved from medieval ethnic conflict between the English and Irish.\nThis is a pretty ancient rivalry, therefore OP got answered thread is closed."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>2\n>they even retained more Aryan aspects\nIt's amazing how you can always tell Irish people apart from their batshit insane American spawn based on how racist and schizo they are.\nIrish online = normal folk\nIrish Americans online = asylum inmate"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nYep, and taking sides on it is essentially pointless. Everyone in Britain and Ireland is going to have some mixed Irish/Anglo/Celt blood in them, taking sides is literally a larp, you're gonna be hating on the decedents of your very own ancestors."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nSomething about America inherently radicalizes people, I'm not sure what.\n\nAcademically speaking—I do think the Irish did come from the steppe—mentions of Scythia in the book of invasions; their absolute love of dairy products the English themselves noted when they started colonizing the Island; and recent genetic findings—but only Irish-Americans sperg about this, Irish people may or may not be related and the only people in Ireland itself who bring it up are interested academics doing cutting edge genetic work such as the man in the video below.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdLUcBbYZqU [Embed]"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n>Something about America inherently radicalizes people\nIt's a country of extremes. It is home to the biggest fedora-tipping atheists, the most fervently conservative religious people, the most left-leaning radical leftists and the most right-wing rightoids."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>60\n>tricked\nshe was a foot fetishist anon.."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>72\n>>74\n>>73\n>>75\n>say something objectively true but with hyperbole\n>Anglos take it literally and claim it must der ewige Hibernian\nI’m German. You are getting b8ed by a German. They are just facts you don’t like.\nIrish and the English are ultimately more similar to each other than the English are to say Swedes.\nTrue Germanics are Bronze Age barrow kings.\nModern Scandinavians are their only “pure” descendants. Other groups are mutts.\nEveryone in the British isles clusters extremely closely.\n\nYou are deranged Britons with an identity crisis because you want to believe the English are superior due to being “Germanic” but how can you reconcile this with the English people sharing more DNA with the Welsh than with their alleged Scanian ancestors.\nFYI, the Saxons and Angles aren’t from Holland, they migrated there from Southern Sweden. Dutch are just as mutted as the English, perhaps less so. However the English are nothing like their proposed ancestors the ancient Swedes.\nIt’s over Nigel."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nNo, you are a deranged american obessed with posting his strange deranged sexual fetishes about \"bvlls\" and rugby players\nYou will never be celtic"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nYou will never be Germanic. You will never be a native inhabitant of Scandinavia\nYou will never be descended from native inhabitants of Scandinavia\nYou will always be the thrice removed rape baby of the Scanians who migrated from the Skagerrak and Kattegat because it got too cold.\nThat is if you aren’t fully indigenous to the isles in the first place, which you may very well be."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\n1) I'm American, so I'm not sure why you think I am from the UK\n2) Well no shit the Irish and English are similar, why do you think they fight so badly?\n\nThe English inverted all their values from Rurality to Urbanism; from spiritualism to materialism; from Medievalism to the cult of Progress; from Catholicism to Puritanism; from Monarchism to a Crowned Republic. Meanwhile the Irish just stayed the same until external pressure was put upon them.\nThere is no grounds for a bloodier conflict than close brothers fighting, especially when one claims that due to their shared heritage the other must fall into line"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nI will always be Germanic\nYou will never be celtic\nYou will always be a homosexual haplosperg mutt"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLowlanders only started LARPing as \"le celts\" in the 18th century.\nHistorically Scotland was a pretty decent kingdom which later converted to protestantism, was very advanced (tons of British intellectuals and inventors were Scottish) and even had its royal house become kings of England.\nIreland was a tribalistic mess and by far the most underdeveloped part of Western Europe."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>65\ngood goy. when singular sources got destroyed, only fragmented etymologies and outbreedable genetics remained. yet, the etymologies and genetics still exist. your job is still not done, Shmuel."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>2\n\nHow can this be? A first best post on this shit board? Hear Hear anon, Anglo hate will never get old in my book."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>bro the \"lowlands\" aren't celtic because they haven't spoken gaelic for X centuries but the \"highlands\" haven't spoken gaelic for x centuries but are still gaelic\nokay"}, {"id": 87, "content": "anglos are the ruskies of the west\ngott strafe england"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nIt's not so much that they used to speak Gaelic it is more that they were never Gaelic in the first place"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nThey were.\nVotadini are insulares."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>78\nSorry I don't read posts with syntax like that. It's the marker of a AAA retard. I don't even have to read what you said to know it is retarded."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>25\nis the homosexual American LARPer in this room right now?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">literally called Gay Lick\nWhy wouldn't you hate them?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nGaaaayyyy lick - is how you say pronounce Irish Gaelic.\n\nScots Gaelic --- is pronounced ---gahhh lic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Alexander Schmorell was a Russian-German student at Munich University who, with five others, formed a resistance group known as White Rose which was active against the Nazi German regime from June 1942 to February 1943.\n\n>On 19 April 1943 Alexander Schmorell was put on trial, along with 13 other members of the White Rose group. Schmorell, Willi Graf, and Kurt Huber were sentenced to death.\n\n>In 2012, he was glorified as a saint and passion bearer by the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and is venerated by Orthodox Christians throughout the world.\n\nTo any OrthoLarpers, Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally incompatible with National Socialism. They have saints who were martyred for opposing Nazism!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is the White Rose group?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>To any OrthoLarpers, Orthodox Christianity is fundamentally incompatible with National Socialism.\nYeah, that's what makes it so based."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Yes, the Orthodox Church does not condone Nazi atrocities, what exactly is your point?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYou do realize that most National Socialists aren’t paganlarpers right? The same way that most christians aren’t Christian Identity.\nI’m pretty sure most Nazis are Social Darwinists"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>You do realize that most National Socialists aren’t paganlarpers right?\nWho said anything about paganlarpers?\nRent free anon, rent free."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThere are ortholarper shills who try to say “muh orthogsy is bazed!” And try to fit it with National Socialism, which is absolutely ridiculous"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHow many of those are there? Almost all Orthodox Christians are slavic, which by and large have a pretty negative view of Nazism."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nIt was a resistance group formed against the Nazi regime, which was formed by the saint in the OP along with other orthodox christian martyrs. The group graffitied public buildings with slogans such as “Down With Hitler!” and distributed anti NatSoc pamphlets"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>>3\n>over worshipping muh trees\nThis is what I’m referring to. Not rent free"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNazis did worship muh trees though."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>russia"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThere were also Nazi christians. Also why did you just ignore when I called you out for gaslighting?\n>Who said anything about paganlarpers?\nRent free anon, rent free."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nRussians are not the only group of slavs.\n\n>>13\nSo the original pic was correct then, nazis did worship trees."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI was mentioning when the anon said “who said anything about paganlarpers?”\nI said >>5\nthis in response to >>3\nwhich implies that all Nazis are tree worshipping paganlarpers, then >>6\nthis anon said “who said anything about paganlarpers? rent free”\nWhich is gaslighting as the image is the one comparing nazis as a whole to tree worshipping pagans.\n>So the original pic was correct then, nazis did worship trees.\nNational Socialism is not a religion, its a political ideology. Nazis can be of different beliefs. Orthodox Christianity is a belief that is incompatible with this ideology the same way it is incompatible with communism (orthodox christian saints were killed for refusing to accept communism in Russia)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe term \"based\" just means \"things/stuff I like\". It is essentially a blank canvas for personal projections."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhich is fine, because \"national socialism\" is neither necessary or sufficient for racism. Especially based Liberal White Supremecists, who defeated Nazi Germany."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>based Liberal White Supremecists, who defeated Nazi Germany.\nLooks like they couldn’t prevent their genetics from going down the shitter kek"}, {"id": 19, "content": "I’ve seen a general trend of right wingers joining the Orthodox Church. If only they knew that the church is against Nazism, and white supremacy (everyone is equal no matter race) they would all leave no question. The fact that\n1. ortho christian martyrs died in protest of nazism\n2. They are canonized saints\ntells you all you need to know about their position of Nazism. Also pic related, they clearly believe the holocaust happened.\n\nI think the only thing they have in common with Nazis is that they are against Rabbinical Judaism. There were a lot of saints from the Orthodox church who were vocally anti semitic, so I wonder if church members are anti semitic or if they question the validity of the holocaust. At the end of the day Orthos could never be Nazis without denying their belief system, that’s for certain"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>12\n>Russians are le nazis\nAre you special? Invading a country isn't Naziism."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>right wingers\n>Nazis\nVery sad that you're not TIK-pilled. MANY such cases."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nSorry don’t know what Tik Pilled means.\nAlso yeah it’s a bit dumb to put all right wingers as nazis because there’s always a spectrum. You know what I mean if you read my post though, it’s mainly talking about the White Supremacists / Nazis that inquire to the Orthodox Church\n>I’m not orthodox, or christian for that matter. That’s why you see me asking what their views on jews are, from what I’ve seen here mostly negative. I also don’t know what they think of the holocaust either, If I were to take a guess it would be that they have an antisemitic view on talmudists / rabbinical judaism followers but likely believe that the holocaust occurred."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Sorry don’t know what Tik Pilled means.\nhttps://youtu.be/mLHG4IfYE1w [Embed]\ntl;dr Naziism is racist socialism, or at least that is the end goal. I'm an Orthodox Christian myself, and frankly I haven't seen evidence in my community of an influx of new people, /pol/ types or otherwise. I'm more or less the only single young male in my parish, it's all couples with younger children or old people here."}, {"id": 24, "content": "saving this thread by asking what the most painless method of execution is and why is it guillotine. you dont even realize you're dead or in pain by the time its over the only reason it fell out of favor was optics"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nOh so you’re implying that Hitler isn’t right wing? Since he’s socialist according to this video, he’s also anti Monarchy and anti church? I thought he supported both of those things. Besides if your philosophy is that the USA is a right wing conservative government and helped take down the liberal nazis , you’re very wrong since during WW2 the US was already planning out its liberal government policies. That’s why you see the US the way it is today"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Are you implying\nI wouldn't call it strictly left or right, it called itself \"the third way\" after all.\n>he’s also anti Monarchy and anti church\nYes, Hitler was a lifelong anti-Monarchist, he hated the Habsburgs in particular, and as for the Churches he didn't want to destroy them but he did seek to put them under the control of the National Socialist state. Hitler's personal religious beliefs are hotly debated, but he seemed to be against organized religion in general.\n>Besides if your philosophy is that the USA is a right wing conservative government and helped take down the liberal nazis\nI never said this, stop arguing like a Jew."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>I never said this, stop arguing like a Jew.\nsorry I just read a youtube comment that mentioned that the US and British right wing conservative governments took down Hitler which is why I assumed you thought that as well. I know I know, retarded assumption whatever.\nSo as an orthodox christian, are you anti Nazi or does your belief condemn it in general?\n\nYou did say “stop arguing like a jew” so I assume your group hate kikes.\n\nDon’t mind me guessing but I feel like most orthodox christians for the most part if they were to choose a political system it would likely be\n>Byzantine monarchy\nThat’s just my assumption.\nThoughts on the holocaust?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n*condemn it in general as in condemn nazism\njust as clarification"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nI thought Guillotine hurts and that the person still feels pain after.\nShit I wouldn’t know, it’s never happened to me"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nit severs your spine and your nerves, a lot of people spinal injuries say they feel basically no pain despite not being able to move"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>Are Orthodox Christians Anti Nazi?\nNo shit sherlock, their entire belief revolves around being taught by jews what to worship, christians hate when their yid overlords are opposed. Hell, they worship a jew for fucks sake.\n>Do Orthodox Christians hate kikes?\nNo, they wish to become kikes though. They recognize kikes as their superiors spiritually as well as physically. That’s why in the verse Romans 1:16, The Apostle Paul says,\n>”For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”\n>What political system do Orthodox Christians follow?\nOrthodoxy is a faith, not a political system. The most compatible political system for orthodoxy is monarchy. In that system they give many privileges to jews and give harsh punishment pagans.\n>Orthodox Christian’s views on the holocaust\nLike I said earlier, their entire doctrine is that the apostles, all jews, who got their teachings from Yeshua, the climax of the Old Testament foreskin cutters, became the fathers of this new movement, the jews then the gentiles, they became the goyim’s source of knowledge and could not be challenged. So of course christians would NEVER challenge the holocaust, they take every word that their jewish gods say as truth."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">Christcucks hate Nazism\nWow this is new"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>3\nWorshipping trees are more based than worshipping literal jews tbqh."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if not nazi, then not....le BASED!!!!\nYou are a faggot and you need to go back to reddi.t immediately. Nazis were cultural vampires and permanently turned Europe into cuckholds for America and Russia."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYou do realize that reddit is compeletely leftist and anti nazi? Like the most left leaning site on the internet. It bans anyone or any group with even somewhat right wing views."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nWhat political system do you advocate?\n>I’m not a nazi btw"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Unrelated but in the context of orthodoxy, this is what’s going on in Palestine.\n\nI think that Orthodox Christianity is simply founded on what Jesus taught the Apostles, and what the Apostles taught the Church Fathers. It doesn’t follow political systems that contradict it’s faith, which I assume is why it’s against Nazism and Communism. I wouldn’t know but I assume it’s also against Zionism like pic related for unfairly treating it’s civilians\n\nI’m not a theologian however so I can’t give a precise answer here."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>15\n>Orthodox Christianity is a belief that is incompatible with this ideology\nWhat about Iron Guard?"}, {"id": 39, "content": "Christianity commands that you should obey they kings of the earth. By distributing anti-nazi propaganda, the White Rose group were not following that commandment and were in fact making a purely political statement, not a religious one. I see no reason they should be canonized."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nAccording to GotAnswers\n>as long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey the law of the land. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God’s command, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God’s law.\n\n>However, even in that instance, we are to accept the government’s authority over us. This is demonstrated by the fact that Peter and John did not protest being flogged, but instead rejoiced that they suffered for obeying God (Acts 5:40-42).\n\nGood grief, why do christians have such an ego boner and fetish for suffering and being cucks? It’s so unnatural and repulsive."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nIt emerged out of a time where respect for the state was considered a virtue."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>31\nI thought Orthos criticized jews?\n\nAnyways it IS kind of odd that they don’t accept National Socialism, but it would be understandable why not."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf that's all true then he's based."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>Are Orthodox Christians Anti Nazi?\n>No shit sherlock, their entire belief revolves around being taught by jews what to worship, christians hate when their yid overlords are opposed. Hell, they worship a jew for fucks sake.\n>>Do Orthodox Christians hate kikes?\n>No, they wish to become kikes though. They recognize kikes as their superiors spiritually as well as physically. That’s why in the verse Romans 1:16, The Apostle Paul says,\n>>”For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”\n>What political system do Orthodox Christians follow?\n>Orthodoxy is a faith, not a political system. The most compatible political system for orthodoxy is monarchy. In that system they give many privileges to jews and give harsh punishment pagans.\n>>Orthodox Christian’s views on the holocaust\n>Like I said earlier, their entire doctrine is that the apostles, all jews, who got their teachings from Yeshua, the climax of the Old Testament foreskin cutters, became the fathers of this new movement, the jews then the gentiles, they became the goyim’s source of knowledge and could not be challenged. So of course christians would NEVER challenge the holocaust, they take every word that their jewish gods say as truth."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Will america ever fall like rome"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Eventually. Who knows when though."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, Russia will though. Russian warlord period is gonna be oure /k/ino"}, {"id": 4, "content": "No. Next question."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYes. The Pentagon has predicted America's downfall in the next 30 years."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno\nit never got to Rome's height"}, {"id": 7, "content": "No\nAmerica is eternal"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nCan't wait for the Third Chechen War."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Even some shithole like Bolivia is still stronger than Romes height. And if your talking relative power, Rome couldn’t even convince sand tribes in Africa or Kraut mud hut tribals from raiding them non stop, China in comparison actually had regional influence in their region and could stop most conflicts without blood shed"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nretard"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf we do i petition this flag to be our Imperial flag"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBarbarians are Rome's strength\nIllegal Aliens are America's strength"}, {"id": 13, "content": "It is inevitable.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKEEzW0IiV4&t=3s [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nno u"}, {"id": 15, "content": "The Biden administration recognizes that America’s sociopolitical and economic system no longer works."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, America is now a permanent mainstay in geopolitics like China and Europe. It'll never die. Even in a scenario where China becomes the most powerful country in the world, America will likely just shift its focus to improving domestic living standards instead of annual GDP growth like what Europe ended up doing. And even if the government is completely toppled, the average person probably wont notice, since individual state governments will probably just take over at that point and things will continue on like normal, with the only difference being America is now just a coalition of 50 independent governments rather than being unified Federally. It wont be doom or armageddon like schizos will have you believe."}, {"id": 17, "content": "1KYAE"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\n>Imperial flag\n>Eagle still facing olive branch\nAt least get your symbolism right\n\nYou could also just make the colors slightly darker"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2 more weeks"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Yes. Soon."}, {"id": 21, "content": "We're pretty fucked if we default on our debt, no?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nMost of the debt is owed domestically, its held up in programs like the Social Security Trust. And America is the largest economy on Earth so in spite of the debt it still maintains a good global credit score because creditors don't actually want all their money back in one large sum, they just want the promise it can be paid back. In addition, other countries owe more to the United States and the United States owes to other countries, again, most of the federal debt is domestic. Its still a major problem, but its a problem all too often mischaracterized."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica hasn’t even achieved 1/10th of the greatness of Rome to fall like it."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n\nIt would create a revolutionary movement to topple Washington."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThats only assuming it has a direct impact on the lives of the average American enough for them to care. Current interest rates are about the same as the defense budget. So even now it can be payed back without impacting the lives of the average person, its just that politicians don't seem to care, probably since more debt means a higher flow rate of global currency reserves and keeps the USD as the global reserve currency"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica will fall because of internal weakness. There is no power that can destroy it.\nI predict a debt crisis, collapse of the dollar. One day the Dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency. When that happens all hell will break loose.\nAmerican's are used to a very comfy existence, it will turn very nasty and the country will become lawless and balkanize"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAmericans aren't Slavs, even in that scenario most of them will just stick to their suburban houses and more bureaucrats will just takeover positions of power as if nothing happened"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nThere is no internal weakness. America is simply pent up and needs to jack off.\nAll those mass shootings? Just America jacking off to itself.\nIt has pent up frustration and the only cure is to fuck another nation aka War.\nYou'd best not be looking too pretty or America is gonna getcha first."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>>27\nBoth in denial. America is an exceptional country in many ways. But it is not the exception.\nIf you had told somebody in the 1st century that the Roman Empire would one day be gone, you would of been laughed at, it would of seemed impossible for Rome to die.\n\nIf you could tell somebody in 1550, that one day the Spanish Empire would not exist and Spain would be irrelevant and insignificant in the world, you would of been laughed at.\n\nThe same applies if you had said to someone in the 1920s that in a hundred years, Britain would no longer have an empire, with a few islands scattered around the world. You again would of been laughed at.\nAmerica is an empire too, a multi-ethnic, cultural, nation. It can collapse and disintegrate like any other state and empire in world history"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nBritain and Spain still exist. China has existed through many regime changes. Hell Russia collapsed twice in the span of less than 100 years and its still (mostly) running on its own. America will just be similar to those, its power diminished, but it wont just collapse and disintegrate. Rome was a long, long time ago anon, thats just not how things work anymore."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Britain and Spain still exist China has existed through many regime changes Hell Russia.\nAmerica is very different. Its founded on a set o of ideas, not an ethnic group or a dominant ethnic group. Britain for example was created through union between the Kingdom of Scotland and England. America is more similar to Rome, Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. The ethnic tensions, urban, rural divisions, geographical divisions are huge."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>America is very different. Its founded on a set o of ideas, not an ethnic group or a dominant ethnic group\nIt was basically founded on the idea that it would always be run by white Christian men."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nAmericans retain a strong sense of national identity regardless. The major driving wedge issue America faces culturally are party politics"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>18\nwe will keep saying we want peace while waging war regardless, and no those colors suck."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n1. YOU MEAN «UNITEDSTATES» OR «UNITED STATES OF AMERICA», NOT «AMERICA».\n\n2. NO; IT WILL FALL LIKE CARTHAGO."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomand had the luxury of being replaced by Germans."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>26\n>American's are used to a very comfy existence\nAnd we would still find a way to have a somewhat comfy existence. GIs in WW2 had ice cream\n>lawless\nThis is the one point I agree with, and that's a good thing. The less power the feds have to jail people over ridiculous shit like collecting rainwater the better, and if that means highschoolers selling heroin on school grounds so be it.\n>balkanize\nOutside of Texas, there aren't really any serious secessionist movements"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir collapse is inevitable but its not happening any time soon. At least another 200 years. Insitiutions in US combined with military industrial complex is a powerful combination."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nI like how the EU guy is bald lmao"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe United Nations is headquartered in the USA, that means the world at large has an obligation to keep the empire afloat, since moving the HQ somewhere else is inevitably just going to piss some other country off for losing the bid and the League of Nations all over again"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only way the US will ever cease to be a World power is if the country itself gets split up or divided. It has the means to commit itself to total autarky without a dramatic decrease in standards of living while still having the raw economic output to be a major proponent and player in the global economy. If the US wanted to, it could trigger a brain drain across the entire rest of the World. It is surrounded by two oceans, a frozen wasteland, and a desert while it maintains the strongest military in the World. The globalized economy, the UN, and the liberal democracies of Europe all rest on its hegemony. There aren't any halfway serious secessionist movements and despite the LARPing the opposition to the status quo has very little to meaningfully whine about aside from \"muh immigrants!\" or \"muh free shit!\" Even if everything China said was true, or if Europe universally turned its back on the US, or if some other developing country became a contender; the most these countries could do is contain the US. It is a shame that such a perfect country was handed to such incompetent people."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nno, it will be a slow burn like Brazil"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol we aren't Rome. Please face the giant pile of money in your pocket."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe writing is on the wall, really. what happened with americans in 2020 is eventually gonna re-happen with a lot more violence. from then, it's ogre for the american experiment. it was interesting to watch, though. america more or less speedran the rise & decline of an empire in the modern era."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>what happened with americans in the 1860s is eventually gonna re-happen\n>what happened with americans in the 1930s is eventually gonna re-happen\n>what happened with americans in the mid 1960s is eventually gonna re-happen\n>what happened with americans in the 1990s is eventually gonna re-happen\n>what happened with americans in 2001 is eventually gonna re-happen\n>what happened with americans in 2008 is eventually gonna re-happen\nSee you again in 10 years"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nIf America experiences another George floyd BLM countrywide riot in the next 3 years, it's going to be over for your country."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nSee you in three years"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nThe BLM riot that was responsible for an entire 19 deaths? BLM wasn't shit compared to LA in the 90s champ. See you in 10 years"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nDisingenuous comparisons.\nTell me when was the last time American civilians stormed the white House?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nBLM spanned your entire country, and did way more property damage. Those LA riots were confined to a single city."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nNo Americans ever stormed the White House. I believe you mean the Capital Building. And it was literally fucking bombed in 1983 and there was even a shooting there in 1998"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_violent_incidents_at_the_United_States_Capitol\nsee you in 10 years bud"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>comparing two smuggled bombs by foreigners and a schizo shooting cops to an insurrection by thousands of civilians\nDid you post this from the summit of Mt disingenuous?"}, {"id": 54, "content": "America will more likely start the path towards corporate state socialism by the mid 2050's. Dedollarization will be a major blow to them but it won't collapse. There will likely have small scale civil conflicts but nothing too big. Even if the central goverment collapsed its more likely to be transition like it was the Qing state towards Republic of China after a period of upheaval. Lack of border enemies and major waterways connecting the states is what makes seccession hard. However micro states or some states becoming independent like California or Texas is not unlikely."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Pakistani and Afghan culture before they were raped by Muslims"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lawless tribalism vs civilized Muslim rule\nAint even a question on which is better anon."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIsn’t Afghanistan in a bunch of lawless tribalism right now? Chutiya"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a fucking downgrade"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs a Pakistani this is depressing\nIslam really ruined us. I’d convert to Hinduism or Buddhism to get back to my roots but idk where to start + im afraid of what my family would say.\n\nAbrahamic religions really destroyed classical culture across the globe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nJust go to India"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam was better though"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI want to spread Dharma to Pakistan and Afghanistan and rid it of its Islamic shackles"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>8\nAs an Afghan I wanna say: fuck you hindu pigshit bastards. Fuck India and Pakistan. I’m not even a Muslim but I would rather that Afghanistan became Zoroastrian or Tengriist than a fucking Hindushit pajeet animalistic cowpiss drinking country.\n\nKerrom dar koone har dalkhore padarnalat"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNot what your ancestors said buddy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYou guys were Hindus and then were raped so hard you became arabs. Why do Afghans even act like they have a history of their own"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo calm"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nNone of my ancestors was ever a filthy hindu. They killed hindu scum like you by the millions.\nI don’t know what retarded shit they are teaching you disgusting animals there in india, but our country is not in the incontinent subcontinent, we hate curry, we hate lentils, we are geographically, culturally and historically apart from you dotheads"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nBeyond based\n>>10\n>>11\nAfghans became sun worshipping tribals and then followed some weird zoroastrian sect after rhey abandoned Hindu and buddhism in the 3-400’s ad."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nCope and seethe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Shahis\n\n>They killed hindu scum like you by the millions.\nThey were the first group of Hindus and Buddhists to be raped and converted. Even worse unlike Indians you couldn’t even fight back or avoid complete conversion. Literally all of you lost.\n\nNow larp as an Arab lmaoo you’re no different than Pakis who claim to be descendants of Arab warlords hahahaha"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThe more populated parts of Afghanistan were Hindu and Buddhist up until Islam came around.\n\nIk its hard for Afghans to know much about their history considering their taught the history of Arabs over their own."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>we wuz ayrabs n sheeit\nAfghans aspire even to have streets to shit in"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBASED\n\nThe Four Based Truths\n1. Suffering is inseparable from existence.\n2. The root cause of suffering is craving.\n3. Suffering can be ended by ending craving.\n4. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.\n\n∞ archive.org/details/WhatTheBuddhaTaught_201606\n∞ buddhanet.net/audio-lectures.htm"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\nbased\n>>1 (OP) (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>8\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>15\n>You guys were Hindus\nAfghans and Tajiks are Aryans have no fucking color like Pajeets"}, {"id": 20, "content": "afghanistan is different from these subhuman pajeets"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>blaming islam for your savagery\nIslamic Central Asia>>>South Asia"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nmaybe like four of these could pass as northern euro"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>The root cause of suffering is craving."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nThe Muslim thugs did there job well"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWrong reply"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">my pajeet shithole stuck in the stone age is better than your pajeet shithole stuck in the stone ages because...because our religion is different hahahaha"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\nNot true anon, and no a single idol found in a cave in some mountain wont prove otherwise. We have plenty of sources from the Sassanids, Turks and pajeets themselves to confidently say that they werent"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll of that looks gay af. Nothing of value was lost, hail islam."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\n>a bunch of gay aesthetics = culture\nYou are brain damaged."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>9\nBased. Subcontinentals are the plague of Afghanistan."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nThis"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nNo the brain damaged ones are the inbred muslims who destroyed this"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nOk we will just ignore the\nMauryas\nGreco-Bactrians\nIndo-Greeks\nIndo-Scythians\nIndo-Parthians/Paratarajas (who sponsored Hinduism/Buddhism in the region)\nKidarites\nThe various Huns\nHephtalites\nTurk Shahis\nAnd Hindu Shahis\n\nAfter all that its Islamic rule. There’s practically no Zoroastrian remnants in Afghanistan compared to Buddhist or even Hindu remnants. Maybe in the most bumfuck eastern areas.\n\nEven the Ghurids, the first Islamic kingdom in Afghanistan actually founded by Afghans was originally Buddhist but converted like the little Afghan pussies they are. You and Iranians have the biggest superiority complex despite being the bitch of the Arab world for all your history."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\nDon't Muslim afghans have little boy slaves?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\nYou brought a curse to the land and your people by worshiping the Jewish god"}, {"id": 36, "content": "So this is what thirdy debates look like…"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "yakub's lab"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI don't get why blacks would concoct the Yakub story. So, whites are some genetically engineered supermen by the greatest scientist of their race? They should have just gone with the supernatural route."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>I don't get why blacks would concoct the Yakub story\nBecause it's true."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nEast Anglia"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nfrom your own fantastical cognition"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nAs a cushite I can confidently say that, white people come from east africa, as all people do. You all are from my left nut."}, {"id": 7, "content": "hyperborea"}, {"id": 8, "content": "since white people is smarter they must have cometh from a cold place\n(cold winters theory)\nsince white people is the center of the world they must have come from somewhere in the center of it.\nsince white people is the highest race they must have come from far north\ni concur, picrel"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOh i got u, u mean the denisovans."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1\nCame here to post this"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIf you take Nazi German racial standards then somewhere around Baltic region where blond people were born."}, {"id": 12, "content": "https://new.finalcall.com/2013/05/23/national-geographic-proves-teaching-on-mr-yakub/\nNational Geographic Proves Teaching on Mr. Yakub"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nCold winters theory originally posited that the thermodynamic requirements of the cold weather lead to larger brains which in turn lead to group differences in intelligence. I don't believe in the cold winters theory because:\n- Only a fraction of the difference between group intelligence is because of heritable brain size. Most of it is because of heritable brain structure.\n- Only a fraction of the difference in cranial capacity is due to the need to have a larger brain for thermodynamic seasons. Most of the difference in brain is due to other genetic selection factors. The big brain Eskimos aren't even compact round headed ffs, their skulls are oblong and don't optimally conserve heat in that geometry.\nThough I could believe in the soft cold winter theory that differences in environments selected for differences in group intelligence, and survival in cold weather brought cognitive challenges which helped the selection."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nHumans are from West Asia."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nProto-Finnic Khaganate\nhttps://youtu.be/MdgSsDdhV_M [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw you never grew up in the United States\n>tfw you never went to high school and had a cute and nerdy girlfriend\n>tfw you never rode the yellow school bus\n>tfw you never took your girlfriend to prom ball\n>tfw you never went hunting and fishing in the woods\n>tfw you never did a roadtrip across the States with your family\n>tfw you never visited Central Park or the Statue of Liberty\n>tfw you never visited Yellowstone or the Niagara Falls\n>tfw you never went to a 24/7 at 3 AM just to buy something\n>tfw you never went to Disneyworld and rode in the attractions all day\nI wish I were American. God bless America."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I love you Brazillian Ameriboo spammer anon. I wish you were American too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCome home cowboy, there’s plenty of room for good people here in Utah. It’s too late to experience a fun highschool life or a awkward love life here. But you can still make sure that atleast your kids do"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI don't think he's Brazilian"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\niirc he's some sad Hue that used to post on /co/ and spam this shit, or maybe those were just rumors i dunno"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI never saw this on /co/. I never go there anyway."}, {"id": 7, "content": "country rooaaaad, taake me hoooome"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nMormon spotted"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAnd proud, i will not ask where you are from since I care not. But we are open to all people of good character here minus californians"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>californians\nWhat's wrong with californians"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love you too bro."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nCalifornia makes every flyover state seethe. They hate us because they aint us"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI did that California thing for six years of my life. Never again. Complete hell hole"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nmy state has a higher meme number than yours and a third of the murder, so yeah your state is a shithole. California is bleeding off 400,000 people a year and is unable to make up for it with unchecked migration from Mexico and central America and you see nothing wrong with your state."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>human development\n>yeah that agriculture shit? not human\n>miles of pavement and niggers? you better believe that's human\nlol k"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>12\n>Gay People's Republic of Mexifornia\nLol"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>tfw you never went to a 24/7 at 3 AM just to buy something\nThe biggest COVID-related loss. I miss being able to go to the store or to Taco Bell at 3 AM, now everything fucking closes at 10 PM."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nGive it back"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it Nero? Or was it the christians?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably neither"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNero did it so he could build a bigger palace so his wife(male)'s moans could echo louder throughout the city"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit was OP's mom farting\nhehehe"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nᴶᵉʷˢˀ"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would these be worth anything if they were authentic? And also of anyone here can authenticate them let me know and I can provide more photos."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would these be worth anything if they were authentic?\nWorth burning"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nJust like your ancestors"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would these be worth anything if they were authentic?\nYes, a lot\n>And also of anyone here can authenticate them let me\nThey are fake"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nkek, based"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere’s plenty of Nazi shit you can buy at surplus places that is really cheap. Daggers run in the low hundreds, flags around the same price and pins are usually like 20 bucks and so on."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne is a pin from the party, millions were made, bottom looks like something Goring would design just to wear on his big chest, and funny enough is Luftwaffe. After looking for it I found out it's a \"Spain Cross in Bronze\" worth around 500 euros."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe party badge is the golden variety, of which only a few thousand were made. They are numbered on the back. Authentic ones are rare and go for around a thousand dollars or more. This one is a reproduction though. The Spanish Cross is also a reproduction, clearly cast and the swastika looks all wrong."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWho makes them? chinks?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThe fakes come from various places, often Eastern Europe. Here is a pic of an authentic one. You can see how the details are finer and the swastika looks thicker"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christianity just seems like the deranged morality of an immoral jew to me."}, {"id": 2, "content": "by what standard?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not reading your manifesto anon."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYeshu exemplified the worst of what a human being was supposed to be."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Esau = Kain\nThis inversion is the root of the Jewish delusion. Esau and Abel were both pastoral while Kain and Jacob were grain farmers, which also relates to the foundation of cities which are generally vehicles to spread sin and decay.\nThe story of Jacob is the redemption of Kain the jealous, deceptive farmer and city builder. The very things that make him weak and underhanded serve Israel in their roles as scholars, scribes and educators. They're not healthy, blessed and beloved with lives that come relatively easy like Abel/Esau but their faults serve a higher purpose instead of being purely destructive like previous cities."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I can't help but believe there was some sort of subversive effort behind the scenes to push this crap. I was expecting a tale of heroism; especially colonial style heroism since that's what the modern leftist brigade whines about when talking about this book. White savior, white man's burden, all of that.\n\nWhat I got was a story about cuckoldry. Where the \"hero\" dismisses the death of his son by telling his live-in girlfriend that \"well, we can muh dikk some more and make more babies\". He gives considerably more attention to the cuck babies he brings into his home after defeating a native sandnigger. It's actually one crotchspawn from said sandnigger and that desert dervish's own cuck baby he took from another man. And this is a society that is explicitly held up as being some kind of masculine ideal, compared to the feminine decadence of the rest of the galactic mainstream society.\n\nNot to mention there's a fairly major character who literally apologizes for his 'primordial' feelings of jealousy after his wife goes off to bang another man and spawn a baby with him. By the end, I was only reading it to see if it would literally make me vomit.\n\nThere is no way that people actually like this garbage, so I have to wonder who keeps pushing this as some great work."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">dune is about cuckoldry\nTerminal brainrot."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt is. It's an entire society cucked by Bene Gesserit breeding programs and socialized to view raising another man's spawn as some sort of great idea. Even the 'hero' who is supposed to overthrow the witchery/cuckoldry is in fact a massive cuck himself."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSo youre still complaining about the same two paragraphs?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHave you actually read the book? It's a hell of a lot more than two paragraphs. It's several pages of just the depiction in the text, and weaves its way through the entire narrative."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI liked it for the political intrigues, the ideas on social engineering and education, the fact that it is a vision of how humanity might develop if we manage to ban A.I., and the decidedly anti-liberal/anti-democratic ideas expressed in it."}, {"id": 7, "content": "you’d probably hate the Bible also"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI hate all Jewish crap."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHerbert is an intellectual hippie, his first real job was writing for a Democrat party paper in California after dropping out of college. Once in California he and his wife were introduced to drugs and Buddhism through mutual friends."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nBased"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">I hate all Jewish crap.\n>Based"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nAren't the Bene Gesserit supposed to be the antagonists though? I mean the real antagonists with the real power, because everyone has been cucked by them?\n\nThing is, too, they lose control of the system they created and were cultivating, it turns around on them.\n\nHerbert was also making a commentary on Asimov's Foundation trilogy, and he flipped the themes around, along with the protagonists and antagonists. \"The Mule\" who was Asimov's antagonist is Paul, an unseen variable, and the Foundation for Asimov's protagonist, while for Herbert, the Bene Gesserit play a similar role in the galaxy but are the antagonists."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts medieval religious crap in the future. Naturally chuds love that kind of shit."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThe Fremen's religion is similar to Buddhism. Or it's Buddhism on the inside while looking Islamic on the outside. Zen is also about reducing complications. A thing is what it is, the moment is what it is."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I was expecting a tale of heroism\nDune is definitely a tale of heroism, maybe just not one you're used to. It's influenced by non-Western cultures and takes place during the destruction of European feudalism in space. It's no wonder that sci-fi writers after WWII started taking drugs and getting into Buddhism.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/l6UxXW5is_4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I was expecting a tale of heroism; especially colonial style heroism\nYou would like the Barsoom series for Edgar Rice Burroughs, John Carter is literally a confederate soldier who gets isekai'd to Mars."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who is your favorite socialist?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFDR"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe dead one."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJewsus."}, {"id": 5, "content": "hitler"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Hitler."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nhitler was the \"nationalist\" half of the term \"national socialist\" not the \"socialist\" half. You retards seem confused, since Hitler had all the Socialists killed in the night of the long knives"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>yesss GOYIMS, believe the pilpul! You need to separate Socialism (good!) from EVIL HITLER!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nyou're right, Hitler loved socialism, and his best friend was gay, and he even loved Jews since the holocaust was faked and he did nothing wrong, based hitler, king of friendship and progressivism"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe first caveman who shared his meat instead of beating to death the guy who asked if he could have some."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHuey Long"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why some races love tidy and neat,\nwhile other races love coloful and chaotic ?\n\nSuch as Japanese VS Chinese\nGerman Vs Gypsy"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nClimate. the colder the climate the calmer and composed the mentality of its people. while hotter climate create a more festive and loud culture. This also applies to food"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhere do you pajeets get your retarded ideas about jews? They are notoriously dirty."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nthey dress neat through , but environment is kinda meh\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijM61A1Z9mM [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": "All of these groups are high in Neanderthalic mixture."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nProbably Green ?\nNative American mix White"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">...\"And then 5.7 million bodies just disappeared into thin air!\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you leftypol niggers pilpul the Goatse samojed?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Hm. I guess you're right. I DENOUNCE THE TALMUD."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI think he thinks the Holocaust is unreal but acts as if he doesn't. Kind of like some girl who wants you badly but denies it. I DENOUNCE THE TALMUD. THE HOLLOCOAST NEVER HAPPENED BUT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nFinally."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The truest of truths are self-evident."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I agree. Smoking a pack of monte Carlo reds."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat happens if something seems self-evident to me, but not to you, or vice versa?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is the proof that God is real. That is, everything is proof that God is real."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes. I agree."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>That is, everything is proof that God is real.\n>Why? Because I said so!\nI don't respect christardation"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually it's proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow so?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s proof of Santa (PBUH)"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.\n\nPsalm 19:1"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nThat makes no sense. You took a reasonable concept and just added spaghetti for no reason."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhat's unreasonable about a sentient culinary delight creating existence?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt's circular. Spaghetti is a product of the world."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe Flying Spaghetti Monster made spaghetti in his image."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nBrother, why are you trying to reason with that kind of shitpost? Apologetics is for actual intellectual challenges, not blasphemous shitposts and memes. This is literal pearls before swine"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWhy specifically spaghetti? Have you observed apparently supernatural properties of spaghetti? I haven't but I personally, a human have some kind of weird apparently \"supernatural\" element, as in not explained by any models of nature. No natural models predict that I would have a subjective experience, a sense of things happening. Maybe spaghetti shares that element but we know it's not specific to spaghetti. There's nothing about spaghetti that makes it a reasonable addition to classical monotheist ideas."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Have you observed apparently supernatural properties of spaghetti?\nHave you observed apparently supernatural properties of man, which was made in God's image?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYes. I went into great detail about that in the post you replied to."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>Why specifically spaghetti?\nBecause he hates God takes pleasure in insulting Him. You are casting pearls before swine, stop doing that"}, {"id": 17, "content": "The Four Universal Truths\n1. Suffering is inseparable from existence.\n2. The root cause of suffering is craving.\n3. Suffering can be ended by ending craving.\n4. There is a path to ending craving and suffering.\n\n∞ archive.org/details/WhatTheBuddhaTaught_201606\n∞ buddhanet.net/audio-lectures.htm"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nLol"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>made in God's image\nAccording to Orthodox doctrine, the only people that can actually read the New Testament this phrase references what I was talking about, subjective experience or \"qualia\" is \"the image of God\". It's not about the body shape."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>I personally, a human have some kind of weird apparently \"supernatural\" element, as in not explained by any models of nature. No natural models predict that I would have a subjective experience, a sense of things happening. Maybe spaghetti shares that element but we know it's not specific to spaghetti.\nIt's not specific to humans either."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYou only know for sure that you have it. I think it's probably universal, including in spaghetti but without memory you don't get the coherent form it takes in humans and higher animals."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>the only people that can actually read the New Testament"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>including in spaghetti\nmeds"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nAmericans can't, at all. Catholics manipulate it for 14th century politics. Greeks are usually right, probably because they're the closest culturally to the original church."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nCalvinism is true though"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nUniversal means in everything. Spaghetti has no coherent sense of anything but the element of subjective experience is in it like everything. If you only eat spaghetti you will be sentient spaghetti."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\n>>11\n>>17\nSanta Satan Santa Satan is God God Pop Pop"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>>22\n>>27\nHail the Creator Devil Satan"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBide the Wiccan Laws we must: In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.\nLive and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.\nCast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.\nTo bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.\nSoft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.\nDeosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.\nWiddershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful tune.\nWhen the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.\nWhen the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.\nHeed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.\nWhen the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.\nWhen the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.\nWhen the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.\nNine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.\nElder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.\nWhen the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.\nWhen the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and The Horned One rules.\nHeed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.\nWhere the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.\nWhen ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.\nWith a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.\nMerry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.\nMind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.\nWhen misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.\nTrue in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.\nEight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.\n\nJehovah's Wiccans (JW)"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>21\n>You only know for sure that you have it.\nOnly if you're a dualist."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is so true it hurts to see atheists not understand it. They want faith to be proven by a miracle, a negation of reality, but reality is the miracle, and cannot be negated."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nNo you know for sure you have it regardless of if you deceive yourself or not. Just like you know for sure God exists regardless of self-deception."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown\nI told you we can only know we have it. Anything else is just theorizing. The simplest model that accounts for the phenomena is that it's universal. If you work from the assumption it's local to anything you have to start trying to account for why and you simply can't, there's also no reason to when universality accounts for everything fine. It's the same assumption used in physics, unless you give a reason for an exception any phenomena is assumed to be universal. Balls set up a specific way roll at x speed in this lab so the assumption is they also do in other labs."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nThis has nothing to do with physics. The obvious reason why spaghetti does not have it is because spaghetti does not have a soul."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nWhatever makes you feel better, anon."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>unknown\nDo the experiment. Eat only spaghetti for 50 years and check if you notice becoming a p-zombie."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nThe human soul has three parts as there are three realms of our existence and God has a different facet in each realm.\nThe mind which is burned away at death.\nThe spirit which continues to work on earth after your physical death.\nThe eternal soul which unites with God when the illusion of the earthly self imposed by the flesh is lifted. This is the element which is common to all things including spaghetti."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\nI don't think you understand how knowledge works."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nPlease explain it to me."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nWhat you can know does not depend on your philosophical position. You can know for sure this phenomena I'm referring to is happening, that \"you\" are experiencing it. You can't know for sure what \"you\" are or how this phenomena relates to your body or any philosophical positions. Pretty much all other knowledge has qualifiers, it depends on a given context, as in \"given that x is true then I can say I know y is true\"."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>What you can know does not depend on your philosophical position.\nIt very much does. You can't know something without believing it."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThen you must believe it, because you know it."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\n>illusion of the earthly self\nBuddhism, not Christian"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\n>It very much does.\nIf I point at the moon you'll agree that it exists if you're reasonable and capable of thinking, even if it's an illusion it's an illusion that exists. If I say it's made of cheese and you disagree we still share a common premise based on the observation that the phenomena exists. We can work together from that premise to think despite disagreeing on what the phenomena is.\nNow I'm pointing at the phenomena that allows you to have any sense of anything at all, a phenomena not predicted by any models but I observe and assume you can also observe. It doesn't matter if you think it's an \"illusion\" or made of cheese. Some retarded \"dualism\" shit like \"cheesism\" doesn't enter into it at all."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>It very much does. You can't know something without believing it.\nI told you how I \"know\" things. I don't, all I know is something is happening. For any other claims I can only rest on logic. Given everything I've seen and been told about the moon my current model of it says it's a planet, not made of cheese. I don't know.\nNow, how do you know things? What does dualism have to do with recognizing the phenomena I'm referencing? This post of yours implies you just randomly believe philosophical positions you found on wikipedia and then call that knowledge. Can you defend any of this?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>What does dualism have to do with recognizing the phenomena I'm referencing?\nThe point was that it's only dualism that entails skepticism about other minds. I have no clue what else you think I was saying or what you're on about."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>not Christian\nThe wording may be but the idea is what the Bible teaches. Christ talks about hell as if it's about being unable to let go of attachments. The first commandment is about not putting anything above God, in practice earthly temptations of gold and such like with the calf."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nIn the given context, that is no context except what being sentient gives us we don't know anything about bodies. We know a phenomena is happening and don't know why, how or where it begins or ends or anything like that. I have models I prefer but I don't know. It's not skepticism it's basic logic."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is proof that God doesn't exist. Sorry bro better luck next time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who the fuck is \"darktroon\""}, {"id": 2, "content": "me"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA melaninated individual with a gender dysphoria?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey're people who open threads with ugly green reddit frogs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So the reason fascism and nationalism more generally both trigger commies so hard is because it circumvents their historicist holy book and its materialist theory of everything?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did they do it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>russians\n>white\nlol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm putting together a team..."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hey look it's the faggot that destroyed Christianity."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The one putting together a team was Jesus. The Christian god is literally a shitty anime plot device."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Im in."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>destroyed Christianity\nwithout Paul Christianity never would have become popular."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nOh of course the guy whose letters compose most of the NT"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nSt. Paul BTFO the early Judaizers and Gnostic trannies, mudslimes, and kikes have been seething ever since."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>kikes\nanon... Paul was jewish"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nRepent of your words"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\ni think this post alone is worse than whatever you think paul did"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\nfuck jesus\nhe is the anti-christ\nand not a single thing he ever said was of value\nhis psychopathic family just lied for him\nlike they did with the 1st false messiah\nmoses\nthen the 2nd jesus : the lamb\nthen the 2nd lamb: muhammad\nit's all gay\nthere is no value within thousands of years to anything associated to the name abraham\nnot a single thing\njesus is literally the anti-christ\nliterally"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Paul has got to be the biggest bullshitter in recorded history.\nHe was just making up his theology as he went and when backed into a corner he would say something else than he did originally to save face."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nsheesh. looks like somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed\nhehehe"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nPaul was Christian. If you mean he was ethnically Jewish I say, okay? there were a few based kikes believe it or not. Wittgenstein, Fischer, Spinoza, von Neumann, the list goes on."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nPaul was a Jew."}, {"id": 16, "content": "shit... I'm getting too long for this"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGet the fuck away from me fucking nigger. You are shading my sun."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the 10 oldest countries with the most history in the world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1.) Mexico\n2.) Brazil\n3.) the state of Tennessee\n4.) Canada\n5.) The Country of Africa"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEgypt\nGreece\nItaly\nEthiopia\nChina\nIndia\nPersia aka Iran\nAnatolia (T*rkey)\nKorea\nJapan"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIraq could be added too but there's very little of the original population left there. Assyrians are a very tiny minority group."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nEgypt\nChina\nPersia/Iran\nGreece\nIsrael\nEthiopia\nProbably Japan\nPakistan=remotely heir to Hindus Valley Civ is a stretch of the imagination but hey...\n\nThat's it, I think. Everybody else is a newbie."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCountries don't maintain history, schools of thought do. The oldest school I know is astrological thinking from Atlantis, said to be invented by Atlas himself. That influenced Hermes in Egypt which influenced Zoroaster, Plato and Christ."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We often pick apart the beliefs of many mythologies and religions as ridiculous but I rarely see people mention the most ridiculous concept in a mainstream religion.\n\nIslam teaches that there are Jinn or Djinn that roam the Earth and live in a parallel societies to humans. The Jinn are shapeshifters and have magical powers. It teaches that Muhammad preached to the Jinn as well and that Jinn can be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or pagan.\n\nIt also teaches that humans and Jinn can get married and there is widespread belief that certain individuals are half Jinn and half human.\n\nThis pushes way past the Christian concept of angels and demons as spiritual friends/adversaries into a belief that is demonstrably false and outrageous.\n\nDiscuss belief in Jinn."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Islam teaches that there are Jinn or Djinn that roam the Earth and live in a parallel societies to humans. The Jinn are shapeshifters and have magical powers. It teaches that Muhammad preached to the Jinn as well and that Jinn can be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or pagan.\nWtf so they're like skinwalkers? Also why does Allah shoot some jinn with shooting star missiles if they're physical beings on earth?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntfw no jinn gf"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Perhaps it was the invective in a hadith (saying attributed to Muhammad himself) that best captured orthodoxy's view on this question: \"There are seventy parts of wickedness. The Berbers have sixty-nine, and mankind and the Jinns have one.\"\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWell they aren’t all bad or good they’re similar to humans. Basically Muslim Jinn are engaged in the same behavior as Muslim humans: preaching to non believers and jihad against adversaries.\n\nThey need to eat, drink and sleep too."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nproof that Jinn exist?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It also teaches that humans and Jinn can get married and there is widespread belief that certain individuals are half Jinn and half human.\n> The Jinn are shapeshifters and have magical powers.\n>>5\n>They need to eat, drink and sleep too.\nThat makes the jinn sound like just some normal humans but with some super(magical) powers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey kind of are but they’re also invisible."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nI'm a Jinn, AMA"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nThis is a matter of religion, proof is not the main issue, the main issue is how much the whole concept makes sense in giving sense to human life and explaining the divine\nand also how useful is the concept of a Jinn on a moral and cultural and philosophical level\n\nWhat matters is if the idea itself can teach something good, or if it teaches nothing of value, or if it even promotes something negative"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Christianity is the odd one out here. Judaism also recognizes demons that roam the Earth, have magical powers, can copulate with humans, and have varying faiths and interests. Paganism obviously has deities and lesser spirits that fit the bill as well.\nChristianity sequesters its spiritual beings away from the world for sake of \"empiricism\" (at least since the Enlightenment, Christainity prior was much similar to every other religion), and therefore it's no surprise atheism developed so easily with in it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>It also teaches that humans and Jinn can get married and there is widespread belief that certain individuals are half Jinn and half human\n\n>tfw no jinn gf\n\nThe funny thing is that there really was a discussion about the existence of something like this in Christianity.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Christian_demonology"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Lust in demons is a controversial theme for Christian demonology, and scholars disagree on the subject\n\n>Augustine of Hippo (5th century), Hincmar (early French theologian, archbishop of Rheims, 9th century), Michael Psellus (11th century), William of Auvergne, Bishop of Paris (13th century), Johannes Tauler (14th century), and Ludovico Maria Sinistrari (17th century), among others, supported the idea that demons were lustful and lascivious beings\n\n>Plutarch (1st and 2nd centuries), Thomas Aquinas (13th century), Nicholas Remy (16th century), and Henri Boguet (16th and 17th centuries), among others, disagreed, saying that demons did not know lust or desire and cannot have good feelings like love; as jealousy would be a consequence of love, they could not be jealous. Ambrogio de Vignati agreed with them\n\n>Heinrich Kramer and Jacob Sprenger (15th century), authors of the Malleus Maleficarum, adopted an intermediate position. According to their book, demons did not feel love for witches. This is because sexual relationships with them were a part of the diabolical pact these men and women made with Satan. Demons acting as incubi and succubi with common people were passionate lovers that felt the desire of being with their beloved person and have sexual intercourse with him/her"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Augustine, Hincmar and Psellos thought that lust was what led demons to have sexual relationships with humans. William of Auvergne conceived the idea that demons felt a particular and morbid attraction to long and beautiful female hair, and thus women had to follow the Christian use of covering it to avoid exciting desire in them. Tauler had the opinion that demons were lascivious and thus they wanted to have sexual intercourse with humans to satisfy their lewdness. Sinistrari supported the idea that demons felt sexual desire, but satisfaction and pleasure were not the only motivation to have sexual relationships with humans, another reason being that of impregnating women\n\n>Plutarch wrote that demons could not feel sexual desire because they did not need to procreate; his work inspiring later Remy's opinion. Thomas Aquinas asserted that demons could not experience voluptuousness or desire, and they only wanted to seduce humans with the purpose of inducing them to commit terrible sexual sins. Remy wrote that \"demons do not feel sexual desire inspired by beauty, because they do not need it to procreate, having been created since the beginning in a predetermined number\". Boguet said that demons did not know lust or voluptuousness \"because they are immortal and do not need to have descendants, and so they also do not need to have sexual organs\", so demons could make people imagine that they were having sexual relationships, but that actually did not occur. Vignati agreed with Boguet saying that sexual relationships with demons were imaginary, a mere hallucination provoked by them, and Johann Meyfarth agreed too\n\n>By supporting the idea that demons could rape women and sexual relationships with them were painful, Nicholas Remy assigned a sadistic tendency to their sexuality"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">Christian demonologists agree that sexual relationships between demons and humans happen, but they disagree on why and how. A common point of view is that demons induce men and women to the sin of lust, and adultery is often considered as an associated sin. Pierre de Rostegny supported the idea that Satan preferred to have sexual intercourse with married women to add adultery to her sins\n\n>Gregory of Nyssa said that demons had children with women called cambions, which added to the children they had between them, contributed to increase the number of demons\n\n>It was considered that demons always had sexual relationships with witches in the form of incubi and succubi, and some witches allegedly had sexual intercourse with the Devil in the form of a male goat. But common people, as it was believed, also were seduced by incubi and succubi, especially while they were asleep, and sometimes when they were awake, in the form of a beautiful man or woman that excited their desire to the point of not being able to resist the temptation, although the possibility of resistance always existed as asserted by Christian theologians, but the tendency to sin was stronger than their faith. Francesco Maria Guazzo offered detailed descriptions of sexual relationships between demons and humans\n\n>Nicholas Remy, disagreeing with many theologians and demonologists, supported the idea that even if a woman opposed resistance to the demon he could rape her, and wrote about a case of a young teenager that \"was raped twice the same day by a demon, although she opposed resistance, and, her body not being mature enough to receive a man, she almost died because of the hurts\". Catherine Latonia confessed this case to him in 1587. Whether the confession was an excuse to avoid giving the name of the rapist or the girl actually thought that a demon had raped her will remain unknown. Sylvester Prieras agreed with Remy, supporting the idea that demons could not only rape common women but also nuns"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>The Malleus Maleficarum established that sexual relationships between demons and humans were an essential belief for Christians. But its authors considered also the possibility that demons provoked a false pregnancy in some women, filling their belly with air due to certain herbs they made them drink in beverages during the Sabbaths; at the time of giving birth to the child, a big quantity of air escaped from the woman's vagina. The false pregnancy was later explained by medicine\n\n>Many Christian theologians (Martin Luther and Jean Bodin among others) believed that demons could impregnate women but their children would have a short life and be good for nothing; other theologians (Francisco Valesio, aka Valesius, Tomaso Malvenda and Johann Cochlaeus among others) thought that these children could be important characters, like Attila, Martin Luther, Melusine or the Antichrist\n\n>Augustine of Hippo, Pope Innocent VIII, Albertus Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, Peter of Paluda, Martin of Arles and Ludovico Maria Sinistrari believed that demons could fecundate women, but Ulrich Molitor, Heinrich Kramer, Jacob Sprenger and Nicholas Remy disagreed\n\n>According to Remy, sexual relationships with demons were painful, meanwhile many persons that confessed to having had those relationships told that they were satisfying\n\n>Henri Boguet and Johann Meyfarth supported the idea that demons provoked an imaginary coitus because they did not have sexual organs, such as a penis or a vagina"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>The term \"Demoniality\" was believed first coined by the author Juan Caramuel in his \"Fundamental Theology\", to designate an astonishing perversion sex between humans and demons. But it was the theologian Ludivico Maria Sinistrari (1622-1701) who first devoted a whole religio-metaphysical tract to demoniality, and fully defined it as a form of sexual activity distinct from mere bestiality; the ultimate difference being, according to Sinistrari, that bestiality as a term is only sufficient to cover intercourse with creatures of earthly substance, whereas demons do not, fundamentally, have such substance. Whereas bestiality suffices to describe \"inter-species-intercourse\", demoniality defines a more \"trans-dimensional-union\n\n>Furthermore, Sinistrari proposes that it may be a form of necrophilia, a man violating a corpse which has been temporarily brought to life by a demon that possesses it. Sinistrari's tract, \"De Daemonialitate et Incubis et Succubis\", was believed to have been written around 1680. It was first published some two hundred years later by the bibliophile Isidore Liseux in Paris, in 1875, with the Latin text juxtaposed by a French translation. It was later translated into English, as \"Demoniality\", by the occult scholar Montague Summers in 1927. In carefully describing every detail of sex between demons, the incubus and succubus and mortals, Sinistrari covers such topics as the consistency of demonic semen and the relative size of demonic offspring. Along with other seminal works, also translated or edited by Summers, such as Henri Boguet's \"Examen Of Witches\", Nicolas Remy's \"Demonolatry\", and Francesco Maria Guazzo's \"Compendium Maleficarum\", \"Demoniality\" encapsulates the delirium of religious pornography which facilitated the greatest legalized holocaust of mass rape, torture and genocide in European history"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "> https://youtu.be/GbOKIsMuNWU [Embed]\nJust lmao. Why do homophobes cope this hard?\nHe says he's speaking from a non-biased position but non-biased to him obviously just means white heteronormative and misogynistic and any scholarship that tries to move beyond that has an \"agenda\".\nI'd laugh more if it wasn't so fucking infuriating how they could just ignore and handwave away all the evidence."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd hes absolutely right, greeks suffer from propaganda against them all the time from westoids and kikes, fuck all of you. Fucking germans also seethe all the time over us, 9M~ ethnic greeks. Our ancestors werent barbarian faggots like yours. Go eat some testicles, uga buga."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n???? Greeks and Romans were a lot more accepting of homosexuality than Germans as far as I can remember. Not really sure what you mean?\nAlso, stop bringing up Jews, dumbass /pol/tard. Literally rent-free. They have nothing to do with this topic."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nObama was president and now lgbt is rampant in a declining America\nIn the future everyone will say the ancient Americans were mulato and all supported fags because of this."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nsource: I made it up"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's right, you know."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nTruly, how will the entire academic community recover from random youtuber guy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">white heteronormative and misogynistic"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nno, its all propaganda. Literally LOOK AT THIS VASE DEPICTING GAY SEX IN A COMEDIC CONTEXT, I GUESS THEY WERE ALL LGBT\n\nLOOK, A DEGENERATE MAN WAS DEGENERATE, I GUESS EVERYONE ACCEPTED IT THEN\n\nYou are all falling for KIKE PROPAGANDA and ANGLO KRAUT PROPAGANDA retards\n\nWHOS GAYER NOW, MACEDONIA OR BERLIN\nCRETE OR LONDON\n\nYOU ARE ALL BARBARIC FAGGOT KIKE SUCKING DYKES"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSir, as the Jewish overseer of this subforum, you really must calm down. All caps with not help you."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do homophobes cope this hard?\nHe and I aren't homophobes. We aren't pathologically afraid of \"the same\" whatever that means.\n\n>white heteronormative\nHe's talking about the Greeks. So of course they were white.\nAnd heteronormative is again not a valid word.\n\n>misogynistic\nWhy would normal men, who have an attraction towards women, hate them?\n\n>any scholarship that tries to move beyond that has an \"agenda\".\nCorrect. Scholarships that try to paint Ancient Greece as a gay paradise have an agenda.\n\n>I'd laugh more if it wasn't so fucking infuriating how they could just ignore and handwave away all the evidence.\nHe explained to you in the video that the evidence is bullshit. How about you watch the beginning again, where he explains vases depicting gay sex don't exist?\n\n>>2\n>And hes absolutely right, greeks suffer from propaganda against them all the time from westoids and kikes, fuck all of you. Fucking germans also seethe all the time over us, 9M~ ethnic greeks. Our ancestors werent barbarian faggots like yours. Go eat some testicles, uga buga.\nGermans are more closely related to Ancient Greeks than you. There have been genetic tests of Roman Emperors and their closest descendants are North Germanics. You are not Ancient Greek. You are a completely arbitrary civic identity based on the Greek Orthodox Religion. Not the Ancient Greek people. You are a mutt of Armenian, Anatolian, Turkic, Bulgarian, Slavic, Albanian origin. After independence half of your country spoke Albanian. But luckily for you those were all Greek Orthodox. Fuck you. Don't appropiate the history of a noble people like the Ancient Greeks. They do not belong to you.\n\n>>3\nThey weren't accepting. The opposite. They were impressed by the Germans and how they treated homosexuals. They talked about the German treatment in admiration like \"Look at how virtuous they are, we should really do something like this here too\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nExcuse me, but do you deny that academia was, at least at one point, predominately white and racist, heteronormative, and misogynistic (exacerbated by lack of diverse representation in academia itself)? This seems like a basic philosophical question of bias more than anything. It's not political, it's a basic yes or no question whose answer should be obvious.\nThe academic community will always be biased but it's at the very least trying to move past those biases which is more than I can say about this pasta fellow..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYeah Germans actually invented the Roman and Mongolian empires"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>???? Greeks and Romans were a lot more accepting of homosexuality than Germans as far as I can remember.\nDo you have a source for these claims?\n>>5\n>source: I made it up\nDo you have a source that the Greek population at large was homosexual?\n>>7\n>Truly, how will the entire academic community recover from random youtuber guy\nWho are these so called academics that you’re talking about?\nMore importantly what is their proof that they’re in fact right?\n…\nAt the end of the day some random Greek who did a drawing depicting gay sex is one thing, but claiming that the entire country as a whole was gay back then is a whole other.\nI can only imagine what idiots will say about the UK, US, etc in the future, will probably be no different. Claims will probably be thrown around that we were always homos due to some literal who’s in the 21st century."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNo, it's just that the Germanics are one of the remaining most pure strains of Indo-European Cultures (Aryan)"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nLike... fucking 99% of them? Which academics say \"no the Greeks weren't gay\". Name them."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>white and racist, heteronormative, and misogynistic (exacerbated by lack of diverse representation in academia itself"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\n>the heckin le science is all in hecking inclusive now\nYeah if there's one thing the left is known for it's level headedness and reason when dealing with events they can easily lie about for propaganda"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n99% of them?…\nSo you’re saying that nearly every single academic is in full agreement that the main bulk of the Greek population were homosexual?\nNow that’s a very bold statement to make.\nCan you at least post three of these academics who make these claims?\n>Which academics say \"no the Greeks weren't gay\". Name them.\nI never said that there were academics who claimed otherwise."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\n>We aren't pathologically afraid of \"the same\" whatever that means.\n>And heteronormative is again not a valid word.\nLol. Why do homophobes always say shit like this? It's a word. The exact etymology doesn't matter when we all know what it means.\nElectric comes from the word for amber (not electricity); Henotheism is bad Greek; Television is half Greek and half Latin; Telegram ought to be \"telegrapheme\"; etc.\nBut I never hear you pendants complaining about those words and the many other words like them...\nHypocrites."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nYou're doing the whole flat earther bit where they ask people to specifically name scientists that supports the earth being round as if they can name them off the bat. I'm not here for your amusement you fucking faggot. You're not looking for a discussion, you're a bitch trying to play a game.\n\nIf you're not going to put out a name, I don't care."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nHeteronormative is a word invented to explain sane, normal human behavior. Heterosexuality IS the norm, because without it there wouldn't be people."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nyou're doing that faggot thing where they conflate the existence of fags historically with fags being accepted historically"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nOr we could be like the right and make shit up to be mad about? Conspiracies here! conspiracies there! conspiracies everywhere!"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Homosexuality is a mental disorder"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n>Lol. Why do homophobes always say shit like this? It's a word. The exact etymology doesn't matter when we all know what it means.\nI don't care. I will never call myself cisgender. I don't give a fuck about what leftists come up with.\n\n>But I never hear you pendants complaining about those words and the many other words like them...\n>Hypocrites\nI am not a Hypocrite. I openly say that I will not accept words created by leftist academia. I would be a hypocrite, if I opposed what they were doing, but used their words. Because then my language would support the concepts they try to push. I am not a Conservatard."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>doing everything in my power to distract from the fact that I am making massive complains without anything to support it\nKill yourself now. I'm not asking"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nNot everyone needs to be a breeder (especially in a modern industrialized society with healthcare). And even then, heteronormative extends far past \"hetero sex is good!\"; it's also \"homo sex is bad\" and \"families have to look like this otherwise they are bad\" and a million other restrictions to stop people from fully exploring their sexuality."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nCope. The entire narrative that greeks were gay is faggot propaganda conflating the existence of fags historically with fags being accepted historically."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nWhy do you play with poop?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>ME SAYING THINGS REPEATEDLY MAKE ME RIGHT\nWhy haven't you killed yourself already? Don't tell me you fucked it up"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\ncope fag, statistically you'll kill yourself long before I do"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n41% earlier to be specific"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>9\n>why is there gay porn on your vase?\n>it's for, uh, comedy..."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>20\nPlease be patient with them. They don't have that many arguments to begin with."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>continues to desperately try to avoid the fact that he has not provided a single source this entire time\nI was trying to be charitable, if you don't kill yourself you'll live the next 60 years of your life isolated and jacking off to Little Dark Age webms"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\napparently less than 1% of greek art depicted homosexual acts, and a lot of those were a satyrs which are rapists. Also\n>comically hideous\n\nIt can be said that very very rarely well off homosexuals would commission art of gays, so I guess if your only argument is \"gays existed\" nobody's debating that"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nWould a source explain why you play with poop?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nI know you're replying to try to get the last word in because in your mind that makes you not a worthless retard but I'm touching grass so would you mind not responding until tomorrow?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nTomorrow you'll tell me why you play with poop?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>25\nAccording to whom exactly? 1940s psychologists? You realize it hasn't been considered a mental illness since the early 1970s right?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nEven fags admit bottoms are fucked in the head"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>You realize it hasn't been considered a mental illness since the early 1970s right?\nBecause of social pressure. It's still a disorder in reality"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Byzantines considered it cruel slander to suggest that Sappho of Lesbos would in anyway engage in relations that would be considered sinful by medieval Christians."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nIrrelevant because she wasn't a fucking xtian, idiot."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nAll people who practice anal sex are fucked in the head."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>Because of social pressure. It's still a disorder in reality\nYou explaining why your village burned a \"witch\" who you think was the cause of random deaths despite the society trying to brainwash you into thinking witches aren't real"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\ncorrect, but fags themselves admit that people who take it in the ass are fucked in the head"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nLol. Witches are still summoning their familiars and meeting with the devil in secret! I swear!"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nI'd rather you explain why you play with poop"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>21\n>You're doing the whole flat earther bit where they ask people to specifically name scientists that supports the earth being round as if they can name them off the bat.\nWhat?\n>I'm not here for your amusement you fucking faggot.\nAlright clam down cunt, I couldn’t care less why you’re here, I just wanted a simple answer, something that you’re incapable of doing.\n>You're not looking for a discussion, you're a bitch trying to play a game.\nYou’re a homosexual with a warped sense of reality and like most faggots who get into ‘‘‘history’’’ is attempting to inflate the number the homos throughout whatever time period they choose to obsess over.\nOn top of this you’re also a fucking liar.\n>If you're not going to put out a name, I don't care.\nI never made the claims about academics you dumb cunt, you did and now unsurprisingly who can’t even give me or anyone here a single name of an academic who shares your opinions. When it comes down to it the main reason why I’m not surprised is because morons with your views always fucking lie."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nblah blah the fuck blah, the best way you can prove me wrong is name the academic whose works you are basing your opinion on"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nAcademia is a false god"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nThen why are you in /his/"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nhistory isn't really debatable, but that doesn't dissuade leftists from trying anyway"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>45\nThey had a concept of \"virtuous pagan\" and it was debated as to who would have been a virtuous pagan."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>35\nlol at this retarded irony"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>24\n>Or we could be like the right and make shit up to be mad about?\nSuch as? The entire retarded left literally embrace schizo conspiracist Karl Marx as its religion. Hence why you're all literally schizophrenic and retarded to the core just like your jew idol"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nNotice how male is much higher than female for all groups? That's because women make far more suicide attempts but far fewer successful ones. Because women are stupid as fuck which is why they belong in the kitchen"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>52\nI’m not basing this off any academic, like I’ve said from the beginning you were the one who brought up academics, I’m simply asking who are these individuals that you’re talking about?\nI’m the one who’s asking the question, you’re the one who’s meant to be answering, but it seems you’re too useless to do that."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>48\nThe people who penetrate are just as bad."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nright, but they shit on each other which is funny"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\n>somehow equates being gay with being liberal\nYou're retarded."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nParticular the works of Kill Yourself, Eatmy Ass, and Giveme A. Name. Have you heard of him?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nStraight people also do all kinds of depraved shit, they even routinely murder their own babies because not penetrating vaginas is harder than not murdering, so I'm not sure what you're getting at."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nYeah but you play with poop. If you could make babies that way you would probably rape them to death"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>you are poopy >:("}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nNo but a man's shitty butthole is, pervert"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFact is there are so few cute males in this world because they are taken advantage of no matter what. Only in the most tolerant societies do you get a few men that look kind of cute but even then the chud alphas will take advantage."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nI am poopy :)"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would everyone be gay? That makes no sense. It's genetic and only about 1% of men are prone to it."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>It's genetic\nlmao"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nEverything is genetic. Just shows your own ignorance that you are baffled by the idea that homosexual attraction can have a genetic precursor."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>20\nYou seem to be a logicphobe."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nSays the person that doesn't understand language and tries to tie it to etymology when it doesn't make sense to do so."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nSorry but logicphobe is just a word. The exact etymology doesn't matter when we all know what it means. So time for you to embrace your logicphobia."}, {"id": 77, "content": "I watched some of his videos and he's boring. I don't think I finished a single one."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nI wasn't complaining about that word. It was you trying to bullshit about the word homophobia all because someone tried to use etymology that doesn't make sense to try to apply. Honestly you fucks are just dishonest as hell. Homophobia means fear of homosexuality which includes an aversion or hate as those emotions are a part of the fear complex."}, {"id": 79, "content": "lmao all you faggots trying to debate with me I've been piss drunk this entire time"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nYeah, I think I watched the ones talking about race of ancient Egyptians and Romans. I expected something more than debunking of Afrocentrist insanity.\nHe does appear kind of chuddy, yeah."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nIs that why you play with poop?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nI just toss it at my enemies."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>73\nIs rape, shit eating, piss drinking, pedophilia, and murder also genetics?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>73\n>Everything is genetic"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\nHis afrocentrist debunking video is satisfactory. It is sorta boring but hey that's literally 99% of historical explanation video."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nAll behavior is heritable."}, {"id": 87, "content": "The Greeks were clearly animalsexual. Why do you think beastiality came up so often in art?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nofc you faggots hate actual facts that don't fit some shitty conservative narrative"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nScience is a false god, and the experts are false priests."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nNo it's not. It doesn't take an expert to understand basic genetic facts."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe is a smart guy and he is manipulative.\nIndeed there was no case of \"homosexuality was widely celebrated by wveryone, it was a daily occurance\" but also there was no case of \"homosexuality was NEVER depicted, ZERO PERCENT!\".\nThe cointer point he chose to his arguement is an outdated book, he does that in purpose. In reality pederastic relations were depicted and often in positive light.\nalso\n>satyr depictions dont count!\n>because they are depictions of perversions!\nstill homosexuality, just not in positive light"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>3\n>???? Greeks and Romans were a lot more accepting of homosexuality than Germans as far as I can remember."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nYour \"fact\" is a fiction. Who did you inherit idiocy from?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nYou inherit it from your family lineage."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>84\n>everything is genetic\n>BUT NOT INTELLIGENCE AND BEHAVIOUR IN GENERAL! NOOOO, THAT IS EUGENICS! RAC8ST HITLERISM!\nnihilists trying to ignore psychology and ending up saying same thing the eugenicists promoted just makes me rofl"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nIt doesn't justify eugenics.\n\n>>93\nAlso, if you are going to be retarded go back to /x."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nDo black people commit crimes because of genetics?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nit does, you 19th century intellectual. The \"everything is material\" just caused desths and suffering, from 1700s France to 1945 Germany it was a huge misunderstanding. Modern society could be possible by reconciling the fact that humans are not simple animals are not cattles to be selectively bred and not the only thing it wants is to be fed. You might hate psychology but why we arent a 1984 hellscape is because of humanities, you wacky materialists and nihilists shouldnt get near politics and you guys just stay in your laboratory and make new material discoveries instead."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>9\nAlso they'll point to Alcibiades and how people even referred to him as gay, but the context is like someone called him a faggot in a public theatre. Not very accepting!"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis whole time I thought that he was from LatAm."}, {"id": 101, "content": "ITT: I am not X. X is not an obviouy physical, so therefore it is impossible for it to exist in circumstances that exist outside except the present day I Iive in, because my own POV is the essential basis of reality. Everyone who disputes this are in some way related to Jews.\n\nDid I about cover this"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>91\nWhat is it with homo retards and proving literally everything they're detractors says?\n\n>but also there was no case of \"homosexuality was NEVER depicted, ZERO PERCENT!\".\nAnd he literally never say this.\n\n>The cointer point he chose to his arguement is an outdated book,\nA book cannot be outdated if there was literally no argument against it.\n\n>In reality pederastic relations were depicted and often in positive light.\nAgain, he literally never deny this. He's just warning to others that this isn't the line of argument they want to go since our modern society is 99.9% anti-pedo unlike your bum ass.\n\n>still homosexuality, just not in positive light\nHere let me use your logic:\n>hurr durr all these medieval european art shows fag being burned at the stake and being decapitated.\n>dat mean dem christian medieval european luvvy wuvvy us durr"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>He says he's speaking from a non-biased position but non-biased to him obviously just means white heteronormative and misogynistic and any scholarship that tries to move beyond that has an \"agenda\".\ngive us an example, let's start with the vases\n\n80000 vases, 600 have debatably homosexual scenes, which comes to 0.75%.\n\n>A total 10.2% of regular characters in the 2019-2020 broadcast television season are reported to be LGBTQ, according to GLAAD’s “Where We Are on TV” report.\nI'm sure you would claim that our modern society is \"heteronormative\", yet the ancient Greek and Roman rate of depictions of homosexuality was far lower. They were certainly more \"tolerant\" of homosexuality than, say, the medieval Catholic church, however a \"LGBTQ+\" paradise they were not, they were not a paradise for social justice in general.\n\nGreek society was organized into households with a paterfamilias, typically the primary landowner of the family plus adult men who stood to inherit or were engaged in accumulating their own property, they might be compared to a mafia family or a traditional Islamic household. Family was everything, your legal protection, your class and status, your right to property, it depended on your family. Families kept their women largely separate from society until they were older and often owned slaves. Homosexuality was not ruinous, but it was a source of mockery if an adult man was a \"bottom\". It was genuinely far from the egalitarian dream you imagine."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there are places where indigenous Americans are treated well, or are they marginalized and relegated to second class citizens pretty much everywhere in the Americas? And why is this so commonly the case?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBolivia and Paraguay are the only ones where they are the culturally dominant"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey get all sorts of special privileges in the US, to the point that European-Americans trying to get fake credentials to claim indigenous ancestry has historically been a common occurrence."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIs that why natives are the poorest racial group in the US and associated with a ton of bad outcomes like drug abuse, diabetes, poor health in general, lower life expectancies, high suicide rates, etc"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nindians are still second class citizens in bolivia and presumably paraguay too, tho im not sure"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nno, that's because they have a shitty culture. They take all that money Whitey gives them through welfare programs, squander it on drugs and alcohol, and then blame Whitey for their problems."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do they have such stupid dumb faces compared to other races?\nThey simply look low iq. No other people has this idiot look"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Maaaarge another shitskin seethe thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople from Limburg?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndas rite ma nigga. crakas ugly mufukas"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Is the guy on the right that one norwegian chess player?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey definitely look smarter than dravidian hijras op, where they the ones that bullied you in school?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "gigaobsessed shitskin"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope, seethe and dilate."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/sci/, you worthless faggot."}, {"id": 10, "content": "least rent free brown post"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Read the entire New Testament\n>Not a single mention of Mary being 12 at the time of her pregnancy or Joseph being 90 years old when she married Mary.\nWhy did you lie to me, /his/? What is your excuse?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou should read the Old Testament. For the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy to be about Mary, she'd have to be pregnant at the time Isaiah was uttering it, given the pretirate use for the word to conceive but a future term for giving birth. Mary was in fact pregnant for about 700 years to give birth to Jesus."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nPilpul is a hell of a drug isn't it?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo pilpul. The text clearly indicates pregnancy at the time of the utterance of prophecy. If you don't think that's really about Jesus, you need to take it up with Matthew."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nProphesies are stated as if the're events that have already taken place. Like giving thanks to God for something that is yet to happen in order go display confidence and faith that God will fulfill His promises. Pretty standard for Biblical prophesies, although I will admit that they can be puzzling if you're not educated in how to read them properly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIsrael was pregnant with its fruit, Christ."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nIts called prophecy\nYou know how Isaiah is called a prophet? That's the thing he does"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGirls in Judea were married off at the age of 12. If she was married off, she was about that age"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYeah, but Isaiah explicitly says that God is going to give Ahaz a sign, so it makes absolutely no sense for Isaiah's prophecy to be referring to an event hundreds of years later."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n12 years old was the minimum age at which girls could be betrothed, that doesn't mean that all girls were married off at that age."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nIt's both, that's called typology"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\n>Prophesies are stated as if the're events that have already taken place\nFirst off, no they aren't. To take a very quick cross-section of some biblical prophecies, take a look at Genesis 12:2, Exodus 2:17, Numbers 14:29-30, Deuteronomy 30:1, Joshua 6:5, 1 Samuel 7:3, and Jonah 3:4. Not a single bit of preterite conjugation in the verbs of those prophecies. Second, even if that were true, you'd see \"ילדה\" instead of the actual \"ילדת\" to make the prohpesized birth grammatically fit and it also being conjugated as if it were a past event.\n\nOr do you want to make up some weird rule about how some of the verbs are past and others are future so you can pretend to have some idea of what you're talking about?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nDo you have a reading problem, or a thinking problem? I know it's a prophecy. It's specifically a prophecy about a birth; and that birth is going to be imminent, because of the grammar of the prophecy.\n\n>הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן\nNote how the word for conception is preterite (and masculine) but the word for giving birth is not. Our 'virgin' here HAS conceived sometime in the past, and she WILL give birth, sometime in the future. I.E., she is pregnant right now, as Isaiah is giving his prophecy.\n\nMatthew states that this is about Jesus. Ergo, Mary was pregnant at the time Isaiah is uttering his prophecy, so about 700 years. Unless of course, you think Matthew is wrong."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThat would be convenient for you if biblical typology didn't exist"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>hebrew\nthe bible was written in greek not hebrew, larpagan"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>Note how the word for conception is preterite (and masculine)\nBiblehub says it's an adjective and feminine"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nIt's called cope. Any prophecy can be applied to anything if you allow for double prophecies."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nYes, it's very convenient how many excuses Christians have for their ridiculous theological gaps. It's interesting why they need so many too.\n\n>>15\nThe Great Isiaiah scroll does in fact exist. Things like the Ketef Hinnom amulets are older than anything written in Greek. Do you think larpagans used time machines to make them?\n\n>>16\nEvery Hebrew grammar guide will tell you that a naked triconsonantal root verb is in fact a past male Pa'al form.\nhttps://blogs.transparent.com/hebrew/verbs-in-action-binyan-paal/\n\nhttps://hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_Ten/Qal_Strong/qal_strong.html\n\nAnd of course, \"Harah\" is in fact a verb, which can be checked against any Hebrew dictionary.\n\nhttps://doitinhebrew.com/Translate/default.aspx?kb=IL+Hebrew+Phonetic&l1=iw&l2=en&txt=\n\nhttps://www.morfix.co.il/en/%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%94\n\nIn fact, Biblehub itself in the listing for the word https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2029.htm\n\n>Part of Speech: Verb"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nnot him but it's definitely not an adjective, it would not make sense grammatically in the sentence and the form and vowels make it clear it's masculine singular qatal (past tense).."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>>18\n>heh... you are bound to this stilted reading I came up with. How do you handle that? Checkmate x-tians (I am a jew btw)\n>*ancient christian interpretation literally from the mouth of saint Paul*\n>n...no! You can't do that!\n\nYikes!"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>has to argue from authority rather than going back to the source text"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI'm arguing from the source with precedent"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nIf you want to argue about precedent, the reading you are arguing for was never used for this passage before Christianity. It's not a natural reading of the text, it's a post-hoc proof text."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nlol, revelations gives you the birth dates of john and jesus\n\n(if you ever manage to get the date, which i doubt) then read luke 1\n\n\nprophecies are made about future events as if they already happen, as a way to give a testimony of faith towards god."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How crucial was Sacagawea to their journey’s success?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtremely crucial, there's a reason they kept her around. If they didn't need her they would've just gone off on their own or killed her claiming it was an attack or something along those lines."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat are the chances that they kept her around to be a comfort woman?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In an alternate timeline henry the 8th respects the roman catholic church's authority, God eventually blesses his him with a healthy son due to his faith, Protestanism gains weaker ground as result, western europe remains catholic, the church resolves its issues, the UK still remains a devoutly catholic nation in the 21st century and its colonial efforts spread the faith throughout the entire world."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Looks like you clicked on /his/ instead of alternatehistory.com"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould have been a based timeline\nCIA and other globalist roaches wouldn't also have existed as a result of it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's lame. Here's a better alternate reality.\n\n>Americans castrate nigger bucks on deposit from the slaver ships.\n>No home-grown nigro population\n> Probably still have a civil war over slavery itself, but when the dust clears, there's no massive pile of coons\n>America has invented practical cold fusion by now with all the money saved in handouts to shitskins."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nimagine if the pope actually just granted his divorce (an unfortunately common thing among european royalty back in the day) instead of denying it over political reasons"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf he wouldn't have jousted so much he wouldn't have developed CTE. But I'm glad we became protestant even if we had no legitimate reason to (unlike Krauts and others who were dealing with genuine corruption from within the church)."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nAbout 40% of nigmales have Euro Y-DNA. So it wouldn't really have mattered if anglos, french and irish in America or even spics in Latin America castrated all their FOB bucks, they would have just kept making more through their eternal lust for black qveens."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Henry's marital situation was the occasion for reform in the church and state not the cause of it. If Henry didn't have a falling out with Rome reformation would have still come to England, and if it did not involve a break in polity the whole catholic church in that possible world would look a lot more like the protestant church in this world. England was ripe for that harvest."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the biggest legacy of the western world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "4chan"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat population growth will destroy the world, something must be done to sterilize all africans, to save the world"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nkeep in mind Africa is a massive continent so its only natural it's going to have a big population"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBut what about the future of the planet? We are too many already, can't have more africans\n>>1 (OP)\nWorld destruction by overpopulation of africans"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt's far smaller than asia or the americas"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe spic-nig cycle that will soon engulf and stunt the species for eternity"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNote: TFR is dropping significantly faster than the UN predicted it would. The population won't reach 10 billion. African TFR's will collapse just as quickly as Asia's did, as more women become educated and move into the cities. They'll still destroy the West through mass immigration, but we won't come close to 11 billion humans."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWrong image."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nIt historically doesn't, though. Look at the population of the current big African countries even in 1950."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are coming soon to a town near you!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nScientific method and industrial revolution. Youre welcome because I personally invented these because my skin colour pale."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the infants that God ordered the Israelites to kill go to heaven or hell?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHell/Sheol, because they were not the Chosen, and they did not have the grace of serving as slaves to the Chosen. Isn't Yahweh grand? Truly the God of the Universe."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were judged as any other child is. The sins of their fathers that warranted retribution were not held against them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\ndo the innocent children go to heaven after God ordered them to get killed?\n\nI don’t get why christianity is anti Islam when God did many of the same barbarities as Allah did"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nDont Jews believe kids cant be held accountable for their sins before Mar Mitzvah age?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThat's clearly not Biblical. Their people were enemies of the Chosen, and thus Yahweh commanded they be butchered like beasts. Are you trying to say that God's Covenant with Israel is meaningless?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThey don't not go to Heaven. Like I said, they get judged the same as any other child. I can't tell you what that entails because I don't know.\nChristian opposition to Islam has nothing to do with what Allah is alleged to have done.\n\n>>6\nGod commanded that they be killed because they had done harm to the Hebrews, not just because there was enmity. Their women had seduced Israelite men to idolatry, which is also why the virgins were the only people spared, they were the only ones who had not participated in the sin."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>They don't not go to Heaven.\n\n>In respect to Christianity, age of accountability is the concept that children are only held accountable for their sins at death once they reach a certain age. If a child dies before this appointed age, God’s grace and mercy will reign and they will be ushered into the gates of heaven."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYes thats exactly what I said. The God of the Universe commanded they be slaughtered to the last infant (excepting the young virgins who could be redeemed from their loathesome state by serving as slave-breeders for Go's holy Chosenites) because they were foul in His eyes. What's confusing about this? God commanded they die, and because they are not Chosen, they meet the same fate as all non-Chosenites or their slaves (the gentiles who have given themselves as slaves to the Chosen), that being: eternal darkness. God has a covenant only with the Chosen and later their slaves, it's pretty simple.\n\nYou wouldn't be doubting the Bible, now would you be?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do Angolans, Guineans, and Mozambicans ever regret 'winning' their wars of independence? That they forced out the most benevolent colonial power in Africa, willing to concede to them unprecedented rights, all in order to become destabilized 'free' nations bloodied by continuous civil wars?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>willing to concede to them unprecedented rights\nThe Portuguese wanted to give rights to Africans as much as the ADL wanted to give African Americans. MLK worked with them to a large extent, but they never trusted him. The ADL thought he was a \"loose cannon\". One of their former employees, Henry Schwarzschild said, \"He was a Baptist preacher and nobody could be quite sure what he would do next. The ADL was very anxious about having an unguided missile out there\". And James Earl Ray implicated them in his assassination, citing fears that he would take up the Palestinian cause. Ray's handler, \"Raul\" has also been link to Jacob \"Jack Ruby\" Rubenstein. The King's family attorney, William F. Pepper, wrote a book about this revealing that \"Raul\" was Portuguese. That makes perfect sense. Portugal was allied with Rhodesia and Aparthaid South Africa. ADL agents worked for them Intelligence and Israel gave nuclear weapons. James Earl Ray was in Portugal and wanted to escape to Rhodesia/South Africa.\n\nAlso:\n\n>Permindex, also referred to as Permanent Industrial Exposition or Permanent Industrial Expositions, was a trade organization headquartered in Basel, Switzerland. Allegations that Permindex was a front organization for the Central Intelligence Agency have been advanced by advocates of some John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories\n\n>Permindex was forced to move out of Europe to fascist-friendly South Africa. Simultaneously, de Gaulle kicked the Israeli Mossad out of France due to its cozy relations with Permindex\n\n>In the wake of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., journalist Louis Lomax was tracing James Earl Ray's movements and discovered that he'd met with a New Orleans industrialist at the same International Trade Mart. Lomax died in a vehicle 'accident' soon afterward, the industrialist's name was never published"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhttps://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228\n>Ultimately, though, it doesn’t matter who initiated the contact between the South Africans and the ADL spy ring\n\n>For one thing, the Anti-Defamation League had already been spying on American anti-apartheid campaigners, independent of their collaborative work for South African intelligence. Bullock told FBI investigators that he’d been infiltrating and collecting information on the Bay Area anti-apartheid movement for the ADL when he was introduced to the South Africans. Israel and South Africa were partners. Enemies of apartheid were enemies of the Anti-Defamation League, an attitude summed up by ADL national director Nathan Perlmutter’s description of Nelson Mandela and his African National Congress as “totalitarian, anti-humane, anti-democratic, anti-Israel, and anti-American.”\n\n>As far as Bullock was concerned, since he was already spying on local anti-apartheid groups for the ADL, reselling that same material to South African intelligence was just gravy. The South African spooks paid Bullock $16,000 in cash, in hundred dollar bills stuffed into envelopes\n\n>Bullock never showed anything approaching remorse for collaborating with the white-supremacist regime, nor did he express concern over what the apartheid Gestapo might have done with the names and information they had\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/The-Unspoken-Alliance-Relationship-Apartheid/dp/B008SLSALY\nhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-21-mn-25487-story.html\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/10/19/jewish-groups-tactics-investigated/96daef6a-a325-4a8a-ba09-da211fc1ba8a/"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nWhile interesting, these posts are basically off-topic with the only exception of Ray claiming his handler Raul (Raoul) was Portuguese and tied up in a conspiracy involving apartheid South Africa."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>In the wake of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., journalist Louis Lomax was tracing James Earl Ray's movements and discovered that he'd met with a New Orleans industrialist at the same International Trade Mart. Lomax died in a vehicle 'accident' soon afterward, the industrialist's name was never published\nThe whole WTC complex has its roots in the International Trade Mart of New Orleans, a CIA front that surfaced in the JFK and MLK assassinations:\n\n>(1) Oswald purchased his ticket to London - the first part of his trip to the Soviet Union - from an office in the Trade Mart\n>(2) Oswald handed out pro-Castro leaflets in front of the Trade Mart, and the Trade Mart's executives inexplicably called news cameras to document this tableaux - which later became the basis for describing Oswald as a \"communist\", rather than what he quite plainly was: a government agent, infiltrating subversive groups\n>(3) After Oswald returned to New Orleans, multiple witnesses described seeing him in the company of the Trade Mart's director, Clay Shaw - who denied ever meeting him. Several of these witnesses claimed to have overheard Shaw discussing plans for the assassination, with Oswald and other men\n\nShaw, who was also said to have known Jack Ruby, was said to perform sadomasochistic rituals at his home. Following his arrest, his lavish residence was searched and police found a long black robe and hood along with whips, chains, and hooks affixed to the ceiling of one room, with what appeared to be faint impressions of bloody handprints. Shaw's maid told them that there was an incident - apparently covered up - where someone had been killed in the house. Shaw's address book was, curiously, filled with members of the European aristocracy - including a Princess Anne Jacqueline de Riquet de Caraman-Chimay. The Chimay family was implicated in Belgium's pedophile ring (Dutroux Affair), accused of organizing sick child-hunts on their vast estates."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>After World War II, businessman Clay Shaw returned to New Orleans where he became a founder of the International Trade Mart (ITM). From 1947 to his retirement in 1965, Shaw ran the ITM as a managing director\n\n>The ITM was chartered in 1945, first opened in 1948, and in 1968, merged with International House to form the World Trade Center New Orleans (WTCNO), a private, non-profit organization with a membership of 2,000 corporations and individuals dedicated to improving international trade with New Orleans\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Trade_Mart\n\n>Clay LaVergne Shaw (March 17, 1913 – August 15, 1974) was an American businessman and military officer from New Orleans, Louisiana. Shaw is best known for being the only person brought to trial for involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shaw\n\n>The World Trade Center of New Orleans is the founding member of the World Trade Centers Association, a worldwide association of over 300 World Trade Centers in nearly 100 countries\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_New_Orleans\n\n>It's astounding how there is such a clear line connecting two of the most defining events of deep politics in the 20th and 21st centuries. Quietly acknowledged, but never emphasized - probably because of where the trail leads\n\n>The idea was suggested by David Rockefeller to help stimulate urban renewal in Lower Manhattan, and his brother Nelson signed the legislation to build it\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973%E2%80%932001)\n\n>Prof. Donald Gibson (\"The Kennedy Assassination Cover-up\", p. 172):\n\n>The principal speaker for the 1948 opening of Shaw's Trade Mart was William McChesney Martin. Martin later became Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board and then a supervisor of the Rockefeller family's trust fund"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nNow we've reached completely off-topic territory.\nFuck off. Make your own thread if you want to discuss this."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\ndid you just hijack the thread to talk about your schizo conspiracy theories"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI'm taking it back.\n>We are all Portuguese\n>Equal before the homeland, equal before the law"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Portugal is not a small country"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Portuguese people are African people"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">Forward for Portugal ALL OF US"}, {"id": 13, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EFd2fEJiM [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was his IQ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Pretty high we'd have to assume. He was a respected doctor and professor before the reformation, which in the late mid ages did require more family wealth than it does now rather than simple talent, but he still succeeded in the university system.\nHe also translated the bible and has a public spat with Erasmus who is probably the biggest brain of the era.\n\nLuther is a standout in history for his boldness and hyperbole more than outstanding intelligence"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtremely high, just look at his humor."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nI thought he was a retard because he was obsessed with shit."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou should read fewer radtrad blogs"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nShit jokes take a high IQ to understand."}, {"id": 7, "content": "No he was a chud\n\nCase in point:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven a midwit knew that idolatry and indulgences were immoral and satanic."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nHe's a retard, but in his defense, that book was just a refelection of the general attitudes Christians had towards Jews at the time. Jews don't believe in hell and thus made Christians seethe and invent antisemitic narraratives that continue to linger on to this day. Martin Luter was particularly interested in salvation and how to absolve sin, so he took a particular interest in Jews not believing in hell."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Romans never figure out the debasement of currency is a bad idea?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was it like in Moorish Spain?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">look mom I made the thread again!"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Wait, so it’s just Alladin?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fictional based\nLiterally not /his/. They won't even portray the most important part of what made Al-Andalus worth noting; it was an Islam in kingdom in Europe or the fact it was constantly under siege by the Reconquista. It's just a fictional Moorish kingdom divorced of all the important context. `might as well have a thread about Warhammer, they also have fictional kingdoms based on mediveal states."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Atheism is peak wordcel. 99% of atheist arguments against religion are ancient and prior to the scientific method. Materialism is a philosophy that existed since at least 1000 BC. Even idealist philosophies are only a few steps removed from atheism, as they are usually incredibly abstract, and they are easily ignored out of parsimony and saying very little about the sensible world due to their abstraction.\nReligions are born from experience with very real spirits, with the rites that gain favor/command the spirits for our mutual benefit. This is empiricism. Atheists literally co-opted science as we know it today from Renaissance occultists, who being essentially mystic-scientists, are the diametric opposite to dogmatic philosophies and faiths.\nThe faith-having isn't obviously atheist, but they ultimately help atheism because they are as ignorant of spiritual reality as the atheists (for said spiritual reality to be a manner of faith and not simply knowledge). Faith-heavy religions are usually the most abstract, a la Protestantism which stripped God down to the bare minimum."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If I’m remembering right, the Olympics now a days has a committee that decides where the games will be in advance, the venues, that kind of shit. Did Ancient Greece have anything similar?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No idea, here's a bump."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOlympic games were hosted by temples so I guess the question you'd have to ask would be why they built the temples where they built them or why certain temples gained prominence over others."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is /his/ the most low IQ board after /pol/?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "honestly >>>/s4s/ wins it"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Probably."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>>>/b/ a close 2nd"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/pol/ is the lowest IQ board followed closely by /int/, then /his/, then /v/ and finally /co/"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhat are the top 5 high iq boards"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n5. /lit/\n4. /r9k/\n3. /vt/\n2. /a/\n1. /x/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhere does /sci/rank"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nlast"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThey are tryhard midwits. Somewhere middle."}, {"id": 11, "content": "you go back a few years and i'd highly disagree but at this point it's definitely down there. i will say we're not as retarded as /x/ though"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n1. /c/\n2. /a/\n3. /u/\n4. /n/\n5. /w/"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nA few more dozen bots and we'll be /x/ level in no time. It's no wonder the dead internet theory proliferated so mich there, they're the prime example of it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>his is midwits\n>sci is midwits\n>co is retarded\n>int is retarded\n>lit is midwits\n>v is retarded\n>a is retarded\n>b is retarded\n>fit is midwits\n>r9k is retarded\nI genuinely struggle to name a single board that has an iq above 100"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>2. /a/\nWaifu faggotry and intellect do not belong in the same sentance\n>n\n>>dooooooood I HECCIN LOVE BIKES\nPretty midwity if you ask me"}, {"id": 16, "content": "It's fine you insufferable cunts."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNo it isn't.\nToo much race and genetics shitflinging that should be only allowed on pol and too many low IQ atheists and Christcucks repeating the same retarded talking points over abd over again. They should get their own board."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\n/sci/ is unironically one of the tamest boards. The higher barrier of entry a board has, the more civil discussion you'll find. This is why boards like /tv/ and /v/ are filled with the stupidest people on the internet."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n/sci/ actually believes in evolutionism and big bang"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nso like most people with an education"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nPosts like this is why /his/ is among the worst boards"}, {"id": 22, "content": "/co/ is by far the dumbest board on this site. Never have I seen a group of people so obviously low-functioning autistic. All the inability to parse metaphor or think abstractly and none of the hyper-focused brilliance. Tragic.\n\nIn the next tier up from /co/ we have /x/, /r9k/, and /pol/, where dwell a type of \"people\" (for lack of a better term) whose brains are so soft and malleable they have been made retarded by overexposure to media and the internet, believing everything they see and hear with complete credulity. They will repeat anything they hear, like a cockatiel, and like a cockatiel understand it about as well.\n\nResting above this trough of human garbage is where we find the lower elements of /his/, who are also frequent posters in the boards mentioned above. This type of idiot does not passively consume and believe as the mindless drones above do, but instead toils endlessly, driven perhaps by some autistic impulse, to create endless amounts of infographics and deployable walls of text in the defense of whatever conspiracy theory or esoterica has engraved itself permanently upon their psyche.\n\nPerched atop this midden heap of imbecility are the contrarian boards: /lit/, /mu/, /a/, /tv/, /v/, and various other blue boards where it is the norm to reject the commonly held belief, generally accepted fact, and widely attested truth. You also see these types of posters on /his/, but the sheer amount of schizo-babble on this board causes it to sink deeper into the sewage.\n\nIn summary, no, /his/ isn't the dumbest board. But the degrees of difference only matter for academic purposes of cataloging the behaviors of the retarded."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>high barrier to entry\n>have to select board\n>t. /sci/‘s greatest intellect"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nMidwit is 100 to 110, smart enough to easily absorb knowledge and take an interest in it but not smart enough to analyze it effectively and make their own inferences.\n\nFor example the idea romans never had an industrial revolution because they depended on slaves. It sounds smart. Slaves took the place of machines, right? If someone disagrees, they must not understand that. This is how the midwit thinks. If you scrape the surface a little and ask what it exactly took to begin the industrial revolution it quickly casts doubt on how influential slaves were on this, a new machine could improve productivity by orders of magnitude yet slaves work maybe 20% harder than a typical peasant paid peanuts, however the midwit never reaches this point, they aren't thinking about the power output of different steam engines, the precision boring tools needed to produce an airtight piston or the bajillion other things artisans and inventors probably had to master, the thought never occurs to them.\n\nThis is why >>12 are the unironic high IQ boards. These people have obsessions with niche interests, they argue over utter nonsense, but they delve into it deeply, they argue because they have done so and arrived at different conclusions. Take this debate about gatekeeping on /a/ right now.\n\n>>>/a/251917035\n>>>/a/251926624\n\nThere are many low IQ posters in those boards, but they know they are low IQ, they just shitpost for shits and giggles, they filter themselves, they don't try to swing above their weight, and so the content of these boards is high IQ."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nAbsolute pseud post. Learn to basic economic history."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nNaw /b/ got some smart cookies, they just spend most of their time jacking off"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nThe Aeolipile was not capable of driving complex machinery because it relied entirely on exhaust pressure, which is relatively low. The industrial revolution was only possible after the invention of the atmospheric engine, which instead of relying on steam pressure, relies on atmospheric pressure, with steam being used to create a vacuum. The Romans weren't even close to something like that."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe board with the least amount of femanons and trannies is the highest iq board.\n\n>>7\n>/x/\nbull shit. I interacted with those fags multiple times. They are dumb and bluepilled as shit.\n\n>>12\n>c/u/cks\n>smart\n\n>>22\nthis anon knows what hes talking about."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWhy bother to develop even primitive engines when you have constant flux of slave labor to your silver mines?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThe same reason the British invented the steam engine to begin with. There's a mini-ice age happening, aristocrats in London are buying lots of coal to warm their homes, this spurs land surveys into discovering new coal deposits to keep up with demand, soon the only untouched coal deposits left are in deep down in lake beds, companies now have an abundance of coal, but a high demand for more, they realize the heat from all that extra coal can be put to work, they invent steam engines to pump water from the lakes, the rest is history. Even if Britain did rely on slave labor, for them, developing steam engines was inevitable given the right conditions were met."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n>>7\n>>12\n>they are dumb because they are chuds\nWhy do leftroons worship iq when it’s racist?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nhighest IQ /pol/tard"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nI'm not saying industrial revolution was possible in antiquity. I'm saying industrial revolution would have never happened in 18th century Britain if they had cheap slave labor available."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nAnd I'm saying it still would've because slaves can't just fetch coal from lake beds. Just take what happened in Britain, but replace \"cheap labor\" with \"slaves\" and the industrial revolution still would've happened. In fact it probably would've happened sooner, because mining companies wouldn't have needed to pay a workforce, they could've just had slaves mine coal for them, which would've drained all known coal mines much quicker, giving industrialists more of an incentive to create the steam engine. Mind you I don't think this scenario is a good one, be gratefull Britian didn't rely on slaves domestically."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nYou will never undo the holocaust or slavery, Whites will never go extinct.\nSeethe"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nYou shouldn't be telling me this, you should be telling /pol/tards this since they seem to think the holocaust wasn't real and whites are going extinct because of some Jews."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n/pol/ already agrees with me, I am dunking on you."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>after\nlol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Indo European phenotype ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "ashkenazi"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGermanic or Ashkenazi ? hard to tell"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nautism post"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis, but unironically. West Asians, such as Arabs and North Africans, are the exact same race as Europeans. Just as a White man couldn't tell the difference between Asian groups without experience, an Asian man wouldn't be able to tell apart individual European, North African, and Arab groups without experience, because of phenotypical overlap."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nretard, his father is scandinavian"}, {"id": 7, "content": "You will never be beautiful."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIndo European genetic peak ?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Aegean Turk"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ngolden ratio facial structure"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nJews pass their lineage through the mother because Jewish husbands often get cucked."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Ashkenazi"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>>12\nWoah! Ashkenazi Jews have European admixture??"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nItalian to be specific. In its majority at least."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nStrictly biologically, Ashkenaz is Whiter than Russian\n\nPhenotype is random"}, {"id": 16, "content": "What's this new retard? He's dull."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nNah, we can definitely tell Arabs from Euros.\n\nt.Asian"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Strictly biologically, Ashkenaz is Whiter than Russian\nDuh, that's bound to happen since they also count the Siberian tribes as \"Russians\".\n\nWhat's the genetic of Israelis?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nAshkenazi is Whitest Israeli"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nGlobal Admixture Analysis K6 has Siberian tribes ,\nhttp://racialreality.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html\n\n\nAverage Russian with Asiatic eye"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nBe gone from here, you imbecile ape, you're dumb as fuck but not even funny.\n>>18\nIt's from 2013, it's worthless."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nit is biggest genetic study ever"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>9\nLooks like Alcibiades."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>5\nBut they arent"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>5\n>Just as a White man couldn't tell the difference between Asian groups without experience, an Asian man wouldn't be able to tell apart individual European, North African, and Arab groups without experience\njust like europeans can tell the difference between mongols and east asians , asians can tell the difference between mena and europeans\nbut all europeans look almost the same to them just like like all east asians look the same to europeans"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nSchizo thread"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\nI can tell a whitey from a dune coon from 10 miles away. Sorry Habibi\n\n>t. Mexican"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>17\nwhat are sicilian guidos doing in Asia?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nwhitey can't tell the difference between asians at all\n\nevery yellow-fever whitey i know lust after japanese idols, say japanese women are better, but are in relationships with SEAs"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>5\n>This, but unironically. West Asians, such as Arabs and North Africans, are the exact same race as Europeans.\nthat's correct\n\nDistance to: Korean\n0.18724479 Cambodian\n\nDistance to: German\n0.17681526 Syrian"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou telling me galifinookis isn't a hebe?"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Tajiks"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Germanic"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nOh you're that retarded half nafri mutt\nKys sale bougnoule"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nTajik dna is not pure white"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Terms like white and black are ambiguous obsolete relics that should be done away with as other color codings have been."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nTajiks are Indo-European, it doesn't matter if they are mixed"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>9\n>Aegean Turk\nSo, Greek. Got it.\n\n>>12\nThis twink is so overrated."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\ngreeks wish they look like turks"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nAfghan Greeks looks more like a Nafri Greek"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>22\nSanta Claus?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nnot the slightest, gives very gulf arab vibes"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nGulf arabs and nafris can looks similar except gulfies are shorter, often darker but much less ssa admixed."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>15\nRussians are missing"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nTajik Santa Claus"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\nSanta Claus is Greek"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>39\nGreeks are hairy Mediterraneans"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nDo you have more tajik pictures?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nThey don't look very hairy"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nTajik look kinda blended"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nDo you have more unibrow pictures"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nRobust Indo European"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nTrue, wrong pic"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNice cherry picking thread shitskin. Sand niggers are worse than actual niggers."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nPurest Whites"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nInstead of being proud of who you are you are self hating shitskin larping as a white person. Shameful."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>32\nLook like mexicans"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nEastern Eurasian mixed White = always look like Mexicans"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nSource of this pca?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>35\nPapuan and Icelander look similar"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>24\nWhat arab from where?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Individual-level_human_population_structure2.png"}, {"id": 63, "content": "Argentine"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey’re so hot daddy"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavic looks chinky"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nRussian with Chinky eye"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nPost more mongoloid admixed russians"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nMikhail Ivanovich Ulyanov , Russian Chink eye"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>27\nthis, even before 4chan haploautism I knew there was whites and 'whites', actually"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>61\nHe's from tabuk probably"}, {"id": 71, "content": "Volga Tatar"}, {"id": 72, "content": "absolute state of this thread"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>39\nYes, Greeks have Anatolian admixture from classical, hellenistic, roman, byzantine, and ottoman eras."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>unknown\nThis one is neo-danubian phenotype. Kind of similar to mordvix"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>iranic\n99% of iranics don't look like this"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>5\nMassive cope. Arabs look far more different than eurpoops"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>unknown\nChinless quapa slav phenotype"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>Massive cope. Arabs look far more different than eurpoops\nThey don't look much different than south Europeans except somewhat darker on average. Other Europeans have much higher ANE so they either are more robust (bigger zygomatics and brow ridges) or look mongoloi admixed or both."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Iranic\nlul\n\nThis is a true \"Iranic\" as a Kurd they all look so Kurdish the Sasanian and Arsacid Shahanshahs lmao but then again why you compare iron age samples they are closest to Lurs, Kurds and Talysh (pre turk population of Azerbaijan/Adurbadagan)"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>Kurdish arent Iranic\na-anon... i have news for you"}, {"id": 81, "content": "Man he looks so west Iranic"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nyou may not like it but this is peak ERANSHAHR\nKurds are nomadic Iranics"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nI look and basically most of family have the \"Iranic\" or the supposed muh \"persian\" eyes like the big eyes and browridge especially and also facial structure in general, I can immediately tell if someone is of west Iranic ancestry/background\n\nyou will all see, Aryanshahr will return and nobody will stop us, from syr darya to Dersim, it will be inhabited ONLY by Iranic people by blood, from (1) Xwarāsān “northeast”; (2) Xwarwarān “southwest\", Nēmrōz “southeast”; and Ādurbādagān “northwest.\"\n\n>Aryanshahr/Ērānšahr is divided into four \"mythologically and mentally\" defined regions or sides called kusts. These parts/regions/sides of the state during and after Khosrow I, on the pattern of the four cardinal points, are (1) Xwarāsān “northeast”; (2) Xwarwarān “southwest”; (3) Nēmrōz “southeast”; and (4) Ādurbādagān “northwest”"}, {"id": 84, "content": "Eranshahr was the first golem in history, and I support the burning and destruction of both Pre-Islamic and Post-Islamic sites. Iran should have become Buddhist.\nThe only good thing about the trash that is modern Iran is that an intellectual and awakened Buddha was born: me. Every single Iranshit should be my slave."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nAll of the high culture was in Eastern Greater Iran like the Kushan empire.*"}, {"id": 86, "content": "Kurdish"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPhenotype of old fat man."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\nspiritual tranny"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>68\ngorid"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>64\nWisdom , high INT , beta males"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>86\nReminds me of him"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You wake up in your country on the eve of the Second Great War."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Woops wrong board"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "By this, I mean to ask if the French crown spending money on parties and similar shit contributed to the poor financial situation of France prior to the revolution. Or was it less that such things actually had a significant financial impact, and more so that the French malcontents and revolutionaries were able to use the parties as a convenient example of the extravagentce of the nobles?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The money the aristocracy spent on parties was money they accrued through land ownership, i.e. through rents paid to them by tenants, not through taxes. By rights though, this income should have been subject to royal taxes, but in practice... no. Tax collectors had a hard time squeezing the nobility, so the tax burden for France's various and often disastrously expensive wars of the 17th and 18th centuries (including their intervention in the American Revolution) fell disproportionately and overwhelmingly on the Third Estate, the common people.\n\nThis is what they were upset about, the unfair tax burden and the fact that through their privilege and influence, the nobility were able to hoard their wealth and spend it on lavish galas to entertain one another while the people increasingly could not even afford to buy bread."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So there's no shortage of conspiracy theories about the Jews and Judaism.\nBut do the Jews themselves have any notable conspiracy theories?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "There's the countercultural theory of Jewish origins coming from a Jewish academic, that the Jewish people were invented in response to 18th century German romanticism. I got the gist from a thread here but I haven't read the book yet\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People?wprov=sfla1\n\nThere's also the Talmudic conspiracy theory about the identity of Jesus' parents"}, {"id": 3, "content": "that white people are the amalekites and it is their divine duty to destroy them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">not the messiah"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I don't get Falangism, is it just fascism for non-whites mixed with Catholic fundamentalism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think of it as Spaniards cashing in on the 'authoreteh' craze started by mussolini."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid you just call Spaniards non white?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYes. Besides that there were contemporary Falangist movements in the rest of the former Spanish Empire too."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fascism for non-whites mixed with Catholic fundamentalism\nNo, that's Integralism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Everyone that doesn't come from a certain part of England and Germany isn't white no it doesn't count if they are whiter than Hitler"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHitler represents the norm for the swarthy Austrians, your cherry picked inbred soaz represents a super minority of your cunt that still somehow manages to be darker than even swarthoid Hitler"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s just Catholic flavored Fascism yes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the best staple crop for a civiliation: corn, wheat, or rice?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "doesn't matter, none of them require stratification which is why farming developed in the tropics\n\nlook up stratification and that's the only reason why shitskins \"discovered\" farming"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbsolutely not rice. It depend on latitude."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMountain Dew and Doritos"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPotatoes"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYeah I'll have to agree"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>farming developed in the tropics\nWhat kind of obscure theory is that?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Calvinism is the Gospel."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMani is the gospel"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Calvin\n>lived in the 1500's\n>St.Peter\n>enthroned by Christ 2000 years ago"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>>St.Peter\n>>enthroned"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLove this picture. It BTFOs Papism so hard it's not even funny."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCalvinism or Pelagianism is really just a matter of perspective."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nit doesn't"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThey just have different anthropologies."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nRead Acts again\nDoesn't make sense the apostles would be doing all that and then just die out and that's it everything they were in the habit of doing stopped forever"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt makes sense because the things they were in the habit of doing, like performing miracles and bearing divine revelation, were things particular to apostles"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIndeed, particular to a group of people who were laid hands upon and who laid hands upon others to do the same things lol"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPut your trip back on, Dirk. And stop making the same thread over and over. That isn't evangelism."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nThe office of Judas was assumed by Mattias. It didn't just disappear when Judas died."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nAbsolutely not. Pelagianism is not Biblical in the slightest."}, {"id": 15, "content": "While you definitely don't have to be a Calvinist to be saved, I would seriously question the wisdom and heart of any teacher who denies Calvinism.\nCalvinism is – without a doubt – the theological doctrine that is closest to what is taught in the Bible. It works together with Scripture seamlessly and ends pretty much all theological doubts, when understood."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nIf you stop watching anime, do you assume you must start watching other cartoons? Maybe you should drop the cartoons (japanese or otherwise) and read the Bible."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nScrew off with your polemics. Nobody buys it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIs that what you'd say to Pelagius when he challenged the prayers of St. Augustine, and began a controversy in the Church? Or is that what you'd say when he was eventually condemned for his heresy and exiled?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nI don't trust people who use trips. It's inherently egotistical and self serving. You want to publish something? Fine. Then at least use your name so I can get an idea of your credentials and history.\n>Calvinism is the most biblical\nIt's highly suppositional despite the claims it makes for itself in regard to sticking to scripture. In order to make tulip work, it also actively denies the open meaning of certain passages and must reinterpret them accordingly."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nMattias was an apostle. Is your bishop an apostle?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP) (OP) #\nCalvinism makes God out to be worse than the devil. It declares that he made most people for the sole reason to send them to hell and torture them forever. And there was nothing any of them could ever do about it."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nWhere is this distinction made? Where is it stated there is one office for an apostle and another for a bishop and that the apostles offices ended with them? Read the letters of Clement - a man who was far closer to the apostles than you and who spent far more of his time praying than you have."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>unknown\nIf one corrupt priest invalidates all protestant christians then the Roman Catholic church has absolutely no legs left to stand on either. Scripture is the one and only authority here and it blows Papism out completely."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\n\"Calvinism is the Gospel\" is a Spurgeon quote. It means that the doctrines of grace represent the fullest and most consistent proclamation of the gospel, and any gospel proclamation which denies them must at least be inconsistent."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>It declares that he made most people for the sole reason to send them to hell and torture them forever.\nThe only consistent system that would teach otherwise would be open theism. Lack of free will and \"ma[king] people for the sole reason to send them to hell\" is a logical conclusion of a classical view of omniscience."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWell it's simply not God's character. Everyone is given the opportunity to attain salvation. Free will is imperative to this, otherwise you make God out to be worse than the devil."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>Where is this distinction made?\nActs 15:2\n>Where is it stated there is one office for an apostle and another for a bishop and that the apostles offices ended with them?\nIs your bishop an apostle, yes or no? Can he work miracles and write the word of God? Matthias was not the successor of Judas but his replacement, as he forfeited the post when he betrayed the Lord. There has not been an apostle in nearly 2,000 years.\n>Read the letters of Clement\nLetters? How many letters of Clement do we have? Is it not the case that we have one of them? This is another case of papists being pseudo-historical, pretending to represent the ancient history of the Church while being clueless about it. Also ironic since the monarchical episcopate did not yet exist in Clement's time and place, and both Rome and Corinth at the time retained the biblical church government of a plurality of elders which was established by the apostles and innovated away by Ignatius of Antioch."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nYou are assuming that because God knows what *sinner n* will do beforehand, and that He makes *sinner n* anyway, He is ultimately the author of their sin because He could have made *sinner n* differently. This premise is not self evident and is actually assumptive."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>Everyone is given the opportunity to attain salvation\nPharoah? Was he given the opportunity? What about the Sodomites? The priests of Baal?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nOf course they were all given that opportunity before they became reprobates."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>hardens your heart\nheh nothin personnel kid"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>Is your bishop an apostle, yes or no? Can he work miracles and write the word of God?\nI am not claiming bishops are apostles; I am claiming apostles were given organisational and ecclesiastical authority that was handed down. Where is it stated that the apostles' office ended with them? Do you believe Clement did not regard himself as the successor of Peter?\n>Letters? How many letters of Clement do we have?\nPlease avoid pedantry as a Christian. His letter is separated into numbered sections."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nGod only destroyed Pharaoh after he also acted to harden his own heart multiple times though."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>18\nActually yes because I have no theological dog in the fight. Both Augustine's and Pelagius's viewpoints preceded them. These are age old debates within Christianity that go all the way back to the 2nd century, perhaps even predating it in Judaism. I don't particularly care about your sect's particular understanding of this issue nor your religious polemics against other Christians which have different interpretations than you."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>27\n>Can he work miracles and write the word of God?\nCould Calvin?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>14\nIs there a situation where someone could have and should have done differently?"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Was John Calvin the devil himself, or just a demon?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.\nRomans 9:16-18\n\nIt DEPENDS NOT ON HUMAN WILL or EXERTION [...] FOR THE SCRIPTURE SAYS TO PHARAOH..."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>21\nThen you argue against God's word.\n\nRomans 9:10-18:\n\n10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”\n\n14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!\n\n15 For he says to Moses,\n“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,\nand I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”\n\n16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nYes, I believe Paul is talking about election to service there, not salvation. Pharaoh was destined to be a means by which God's glory was demonstrated to the world, but no part of that negates the idea that he still retained free will within certain parameters. I say again: God only destroyed Pharaoh after Pharaoh acted to harden his own heart multiple times. To have one's heart hardened is to remain a creature of instinct, to not know right from wrong in the moment. But to harden one's own heart is to actively ignore one's conscience and to instead elect to follow lust, anger or pride."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nSee >>40\nRomans confirms that God selects certain people for certain services and that these services have nothing to do with whether or not they have behaved righteously or unrighteously. But to then assume from this that God grants the capacity to recognise Him through Christ to some and not others is to assume to much."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>32\n>I am not claiming bishops are apostles\nThen you don't have a point.\n>Where is it stated that the apostles' office ended with them?\nWhere is it stated ecclesiastical authority is a uniquely apostolic power? It is stated that their office ended when their extraordinary function is described, and when the ordinary function of the office of elder is described.\n>Do you believe Clement did not regard himself as the successor of Peter?\nHe may have, though that would not at all mean what you think it means. If he considered himself a successor of Peter, he also would have considered the other elders of the church of Rome to be equally his successors, and likely every other minister in the Church.\n>Please avoid pedantry as a Christian. His letter is separated into numbered sections.\nBackpedaling damage control. We can all see what you said, I think you thought there were multiple epistles.\n>>35\nNo."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nI wonder what Calvinists would do without Romans. It's their entire Bible. They just disregard the rest of scripture. All that matters is Romans.\n>>40\n>>41\nThis"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\n>>41\n\"So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.\""}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nStrawman\n>>unknown\nYes. But there is no scenario where something other than the divine decree could have happened."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nAh, you're that guy that doesn't know what a strawman is. What argument of yours did I misrepresent and then attack instead of your actual argument?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nSo God decrees that someone will freely choose to act in a certain way? It's a matter of perspective, then."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>40\n>>41\n\nWhat shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!\nRomans 9:14\n\nIt is notable that Paul raises this rhetorical question immediately after setting forth the metaphor of the birth of Jacob and Esau, and the preference of God for one rather than the other, without a view to their works; he predicts that his statement will result in people questioning God’s righteousness, and so presents us with a simple and fundamental question. If Paul was presenting a semi-Pelagian view, or an Arminian view, where God could foresee our works, and made decisions regarding election based upon this foreseen knowledge, then why would he predict that anyone would raise an objection about its fairness? To those who teach Arminianism, or semi-Pelagianism, and articulate their views on this matter, it is questionable as to how often they are accused of being “unfair” in their view of conditional election. But Paul does anticipate the response; and the teaching that engenders such a response is the teaching of Unconditional Election; which is the doctrine where election rests solely on the sovereign will of God, and not on the performance of human beings – and that is where the protest arises."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\n>It is stated that their office ended when their extraordinary function is described\nNo, this is something you are inferring from the reference to their being both apostles and elders. That's a sweeping inference to make. If you recognise that the apostles passed down their ecclesiastical and organisational authority, it makes sense to trust the men who were ordained in the ancient churches the apostles themselves founded. By the laying of hands, it is these men who are in the line of the apostles. Indeed, there are no other men of whom we can claim this reliably."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>44\nYes, as stated, I believe this is a reference to service primarily, not salvation."}, {"id": 51, "content": "Calvinism makes no sense"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>39\nBoth examples in Romans 9 of predestination are corporate. Esau and Jacob are the fathers of nations. Pharaoh is the ruler of Egypt. God hating and loving them individually is as proxies for their progeny/nation. God chooses some individuals for special purposes, first among them Christ who He sent to be the corporate head of the church and the new covenant. But these individuals are the exception, not the rule.\n\nGod chose Christ eternally and predestined His church to salvation. He did not predestine every individual to salvation in the church (that is not to say He did not know who would not reject Christ's call)."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\nYou misrepresented Calvinism and attacked that misrepresentation.\n>>47\nYes, free will is the tool which God uses to accomplish His decree. I do not see how this is \"a matter of perspective\", there is correct and incorrect\n>>49\nOur elders received their ordination by the laying of hands from men who received their ordination in the medieval church of Rome, which ultimately received it from the apostles.\n>>50\nWhat is mercy? What is hardening? Was pharoah not being given to a particular kind of service when he was \"hardened\", rather than a judgement unto destruction? Is the saint simply being appointed to some vocation when God shows him mercy, rather than being justified?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>You misrepresented Calvinism\nThis is the go-to cry of the Calvinist when faced with the ramifications of his own theology."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nDid Jesus know Peter would fall in the water?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>28\n>You are assuming that because God knows what *sinner n* will do beforehand, and that He makes *sinner n* anyway, He is ultimately the author of their sin because He could have made *sinner n* differently.\nYes I am assuming that because that's just logical. Omniscience simply is determinism with extra steps. If God prescriptively knows the future, then the future is settled, period."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>Did Jesus know Peter would fall in the water?\nYes but asking him why would make no sense if Peter had absolutely no control over his predestined puppeteered responses. It would only make sense in a free will situation."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>48\n>If Paul was presenting a semi-Pelagian view, or an Arminian view, where God could foresee our works, and made decisions regarding election based upon this foreseen knowledge\nI am not claiming that God elects people on the basis of what they will do. Rather, it is Christ who is elect, and those who trust in Him are elect in Him. Trust is not an action but an internal response to Christ's actions.\n>and the teaching that engenders such a response is the teaching of Unconditional Election\nThis is a presumptive statement. Nowhere does Paul state that God blames people for actions which are outside of their control, despite being led to do so by the hypothetical questioner. Rather, Paul avoids the question of blame entirely and proceeds to ultimately report that the issue of salvation is dependent upon faith. I could just as easily turn the issue back on you and ask why Paul doesn't simply affirm that God does indeed damn people for actions outside of their control. If even Paul himself is unwilling to actually affirm double predestination or limited atonement, I see no reason to trust Calvin when he does so."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\nThe object of predestination in scripture is never given as Christ but His people. It is the believers whom God elected before the foundation of the world in Ephesians 1. God truly predestines groups (and in the context of Romans 9, the particular point is that God ordained that the Jews would apostatize which entails the damnation of a great many of them, and He ordained that the Romans would be covenanted which entails the salvation of a great many of them) but He does not predestine an idea, He predestines the members of those groups, not a condition which by obeying it one may include themselves in the group by their own autonomous act. \"So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.\" \"I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.\""}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\n>I could just as easily turn the issue back on you and ask why Paul doesn't simply affirm that God does indeed damn people for actions outside of their control.\nHe does affirm this. Quite clearly."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\nWhy does it make sense to ask him if He already knew? Why can't Peter say \"Why are you asking me? Did you forget?\""}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>53\n>What is mercy? What is hardening?\nOne can be hardened only to be shown ultimate mercy and one can be shown mercy only to ultimately fall short. Pharaoh chose not to follow his conscience in the moments it depended upon him and instead chose to harden his own heart. He was destroyed following this."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>If even Paul himself is unwilling to actually affirm double predestination or limited atonement\nPail affirms both these things"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>Why does it make sense to ask him if He already knew?\nThe same reason it wouldn't make sense to ask a computer program why it's doing something you programmed it to do. The only way it makes sense is if the listener can independently evaluate the question and formulate a conclusion based on what it implies. Which is free will."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nSo mercy is soteriological? What then is the meaning of \"For he says to Moses,\n'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,\nand I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills\"?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>56\n>Yes I am assuming that because that's just logical\nYou're assuming that God could not somehow create space for man's genuine freedom within this. I would say that's a sweeping assumption to make."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nThis is a strawman. You are ignoring what we actually believe and flattening the depth of the divine decree into a pancake. This is the same thing heretics do when they attack the Blessed Trinity."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>29\nYes"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>60\n>He does affirm this. Quite clearly.\nHe doesn't though. He in fact purposefully avoids affirming it when called to do so. As predicted, you have now moved beyond the plain text itself and are attempting to affirm your Calvinistic assumptions."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>59\n>He predestines the members of those groups\nNo, He does not. He frees the will of all from depravity and calls them to His church. All are free to accept or reject that call. \"So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.\" It depends on God's grace freeing us from depravity and calling us to The Son & His church. There is no determinism here."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>This is a strawman\nYou really have no idea what that means. Disagreeing with somebody's analysis of your position is not a straw man. Is this just what you say to everything?\n>>67\n>You are ignoring what we actually believe and flattening the depth of the divine decree into a pancake\nAnd this is what the Calvinist always does. When faced with the ramifications of their own theology, they just declare you were misrepresenting Calvinism. Every time. Either God has sovereign control over every atom in the universe including your mind, or he doesn't. You can't have it both ways."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>63\n>Pail affirms both these things\nYou're just making bald assertions at this point. I have already shown how your viewpoint is in fact presumptive when we stick to the text itself."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>65\nMercy is soteriological, yes. But not all mercy necessitates salvation."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\n>No, He does not.\nThe text says He does\n>All are free to accept or reject that call. \"So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.\"\nThis scripture directly contradicts the preceding sentence\n>>71\n>You really have no idea what that means.\nIt is a strawman because it directly misrepresents our doctrine to make it easier to attack\n>When faced with the ramifications of their own theology, they just declare you were misrepresenting Calvinism.\nDo I believe men are robots who act in a certain way because God programmed them to?\n>Either God has sovereign control over every atom in the universe including your mind, or he doesn't.\nWhy could free will not be the tool He uses to accomplish His sovereign will? Why should I be interested in worshipping an effete god who has no power over creation?\n>>72\nNo sir, you proved nothing except you are unwilling to believe what the text clearly says.\n>>73\nWhat is the meaning of the text, sir?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>67\n>Blessed Trinity\nHere's a calvinist that refutes the Trinity:\nhttps://southernisraelite.files.wordpress.com/2023/04/trinity-database-final-1.pdf"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\n>No sir, you proved nothing except you are unwilling to believe what the text clearly says.\nAgain, you're just making a series of assertions at this point because you have no effective rebuttal. You appear to be psychologically incapable of letting go of your presumptions.\n>What is the meaning of the text, sir?\nI have given what I believe to be the plain meaning of the text already. Please refer back.\n>Why should I be interested in worshipping an effete god who has no power over creation?\nI would caution you not to insult God by claiming that He would somehow be effeminate for granting men and women made in His very image the dignity of free will. This sentence is, however, deeply telling - you seem to be interested in God more as some kind of celestial, bearded warlord than you are as God."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Calvinism is the Gospel.\nCalvinism is a Nestorian distortion of the Gospel which denies the very flesh of the Church. “Systematic theology” is an austere intellectualization of the Gospel that hardens your heart like Pharaoh and causes you to miss the humble and compassionate heart of Jesus. Calvin abused the very Word of God to create a heartless idol in his own image. Consider the fact that the “reformed church” is a self-refuting lie: the true church is never in need of “reform”, because the true church teaches a message which is eternal and worships a God who is eternal. The Old Testament promise is that in the final stage of history, the kingdom of God will be here, and God will dwell with his people. This communion between God and man is not in need of “reform”, as it is in the hands of God alone, not man. To “reform” is to attempt to improve upon God. Therefore a “reformed” church is a lie. The church knows the true meaning of the scriptures as sure as Jesus has already been enthroned with them in His lap. All of us are called to pray for mercy, repent, and get baptized in His loving name. Bless"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nAmen"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>74\nYes, it depends on God's grace to free the individual's will. The ultimate responsibility for faith is God's, but His grace is still ultimately resistisble. There is no contradiction."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nChurches can and must be reformed by scripture. The lower case catholic church is eternal and cannot be reformed, but the institutions men create to organize our worship can."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>74\n>Do I believe men are robots who act in a certain way because God programmed them to?\nAre you saying that humans can do something outside of what God predestined them to do?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>74\n>Why could free will not be the tool He uses to accomplish His sovereign will? Why should I be interested in worshipping an effete god who has no power over creation?\nIt is. Why does God's will have to be only one single sequence of events? Is He not powerful enough to have His will be done regardless of the variables of human will that He creates? Is He not powerful enough that at the moment of creation, He made sure that at the end His will would triumph, regardless of the different choices His creations made along the way?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>77\n>All of us are called to pray for mercy, repent, and get baptized in His loving name. Bless\nCalvinists do this as well. It's just that they're so hung up on their expression of it. You must pray for mercy in their exact theological formulation, repent in their exact theological formulation, and be baptized in their exact theological formulation. It stops becoming about Christ himself, and instead about how whether you believe \"in the belief\" about Christ as they do. But they're not alone on this either. They learned it from Scholastic Catholicism."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nWhy do you think he was talking about an institution? Calvin is the one who named his book “Institutes”. It’s not a Biblical term…?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>77\n>All of us are called to pray for mercy, repent, and get baptized in His loving name.\nYou realise that pretty much every Calvinist would say that that's the most important message? (\"Repent and believe in the gospel\" Mark 1:15)\n\nYou're arguing against something that you don't even understand."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nWhy be coy exactly? Calvinists believe the call went out to every nation, not to every man, woman and child. It's precisely this opinion that poster is criticising when he reminds us that all are truly and effectively called in that last sentence."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.\nRomans 8:30\n\nSo everyone that was called was justified? The answer is \"no\", of course. The call went out to the elect, and the elect have no choice but to answer that call.\n\n>So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.\nRomans 9:16"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>75\nHe is not a Calvinist if he is a heretic\n>>76\n>Again, you're just making a series of assertions at this point because you have no effective rebuttal\nI have nothing to rebut\n>You appear to be psychologically incapable of letting go of your presumptions.\nI am incapable of loosening my commitment to scripture, yes\n>I have given what I believe to be the plain meaning of the text already.\nI want an answer to that specific text which I have not received. I have instead seen contradiction on your part, simultaneously saying it is soteriological and not soteriological.\n>I would caution you not to insult God by claiming that He would somehow be effeminate for granting men and women made in His very image the dignity of free will\nA god with no sovereign power, which is overruled by the choices of its creatures, is ineffectual and effete, and no god at all.\n>you seem to be interested in God more as some kind of celestial, bearded warlord than you are as God.\nI am interested in the God of the bible, who is the only true God, who frustrates the plans of the peoples and accomplishes His will from generation to generation (Psalm 33:10-11)\n>>79\n>Yes, it depends on God's grace to free the individual's will\nThe scripture says \"it depends not on he who runs\", I interpret this to mean it depends not on he who runs. You apparently understand it to mean it depends on he who runs after some kind of grace never described in scripture occurs."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>81\nThe events of time can never be other than they have been decreed to be, but man does possess in himself a capacity to choose otherwise, it is simply that he never will actually choose other than has been foreordained by God.\n>>82\n>Why does God's will have to be only one single sequence of events?\nHow many sequences of future events does God know will occur? Could God prophecy by Isaiah that He will have an anointed servant named Cyrus centuries of years later, and then that prophecy turn out false? You are running into the fact another brother pointed out earlier, that the only consistent Arminian is an open theist. You are dangerously close to denying divine omniscience at this point, brother."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>66\n>You're assuming that God could not somehow create space for man's genuine freedom within this.\nGod is a logical being and cannot create contradictions, so yes I am assuming that."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nCalvinism does allow for \"free will\", in the sense that we can make choices. However, we are unable to choose to do anything that is morally good.\n\nAfter the fall, we can still make choices – being made in the image of God; in the fall, we lost the image of God in the narrow sense – the ability to be perfectly righteous (Romans 3:10); but we maintain the image of God in the wider sense, meaning that we can still make choices and are still human.\n\nAccording to Augustine, in his arguments against Pelagianism, Adam and Eve were given the ability to sin (posse peccare) – we know that because they did sin – and they were also given the ability to not sin (posse non peccare). In the fall of Adam, the human race lost the ability not to sin, and in its place got the non posse non peccare (the inability to not sin)."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>87\n>So everyone that was called was justified?The answer is \"no\", of course.\nBy that same metric you could also claim that not everyone who is justified will be glorified. Calvinists like to call this particular passage \"the golden chain\" but all Paul is confirming outright is that those who are called will also be justified, and those who are justified will also be glorified. Nowhere does he say this must be so in every case, however. In the same way that someone who wants to be a pilot will go to pilot school and then become a pilot doesn't mean that every individual who genuinely goes to pilot school will become one, not everyone who genuinely accepts the call at first will necessarily remain justified.\n>Romans 9:16\nI have already covered your interpretation of this.\n>>88\n>responding to a post over forty minutes later in the hopes that the poster you're responding to won't answer back is such a petty thing to do on your part yet people like you never fail to try it. It shows all you really care about is getting the last word in, so I'm not going to dignify your posts with any further response beyond saying that every point you have thus raised has already been dealt with. There is no contradiction. The fact that salvation must involve mercy does not mean that all mercy must be salvific."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nWhoops - that last bit wasn't supposed to be in greentext."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\n>predestined\n>still given the opportunity \"to make a choice\"\nlol"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>91\nIt doesn’t matter what Calvin “does allow” because the name “Calvin” is not found in a single place in the scriptures. Logically then if we are listening to the true call of God we don’t even see a man named Calvin or have anything that needs to be filtered through him, because the calling of God is pure, and we have access to Christ directly. In other words we don’t need Calvin as our mediator with God. The idea of needing a mediator like that such that your whole religion is named after him is so repugnant and fallen that I’m surprised anyone even entertains it. Then again, lawless humans are capable of any sin."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\n>Nowhere does he say this must be so in every case, however\nIt is necessitated by the wording of the text. \"Those whom He\" is universal and does not tolerate exceptions. Synergists recognize that they must crack open a door for exceptions in the golden chain, yet this is precisely what the inspired apostle does not do.\n>who wants to be\nWhere do you see this reference to autonomous human activity in this scripture? I see only what God has done\n>not everyone who genuinely accepts the call at first will necessarily remain justified\nThen \"those whom He justified He also glorified\" is false.\n>I have already covered your interpretation of this\nAnd failed.\n>responding to a post over forty minutes later in the hopes that the poster you're responding to won't answer back\nTake your meds, brother\n>The fact that salvation must involve mercy does not mean that all mercy must be salvific.\nHow could mercy not be salvific? Mercy by definition means forgiveness instead of wrath. If one is forgiven by God, and His wrath is on them, they are justified."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>>96\nAnd especially note that the mercy which God is free in granting is given as an antonym to \"harden\", which is judgement unto destruction."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\nLet's not forget that even Paul cautioned against people being baptised in his name yet Calvinists to this day insist on calling themselves by Calvin's family name and predicate the whole of their understanding of scripture on the exegesis of this one French lawyer born 1500 years or so after Christ's ascension."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nWe actually tend to call ourselves Reformed."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\n>\"Those whom He\" is universal and does not tolerate exceptions\nThis is your opinion. Nowhere is it written that the phrase \"Those whom He\" cannot tolerate people falling away from the faith of their own accord. Indeed, Hebrews 6 shows this outright.\n>Then \"those whom He justified He also glorified\" is false.\nNo because the glorified will necessarily be justified first. Just as every pilot will necessarily have gone to pilot school first.\n>Take your meds, brother\nDude, you snuck in with a post forty minutes after the fact. It's obvious you only care about getting the last word, which is totally unchristian.\n>How could mercy not be salvific?\nGod can show mercy towards men without necessarily saving those men. This is a basic part of scripture.\n>And especially note that the mercy which God is free in granting is given as an antonym to \"harden\", which is judgement unto destruction.\nNot everyone who is hardened is judged unto destruction."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>88\n>The scripture says \"it depends not on he who runs\", I interpret this to mean it depends not on he who runs. You apparently understand it to mean it depends on he who runs after some kind of grace never described in scripture occurs.\nPlease stop trying to put words in everyone else's mouth. The dependency is ultimately on God's grace. The normal action when faced with God's grace is to surrender to it. This is what any normal person, not totally dead in sin, would do. We, however, are completely lost in our sin, and the only way this \"normal\" response is made available to us is through God's grace. This does not mean this surrender is inevitable, though. We can still choose to resist it. This entire choice still depends on God, however. The action in salvation is all God's. The only action we can take is to willfully reject grace.\n\nYour claim that this is not described in scripture is also false. Please go read Matthew 22 again."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>89\n>How many sequences of future events does God know will occur?\nFirst off, I don't like putting any limits on God. He could know an infinite number of possible sequences that conform to His will.\n\nHe could also simultaneously know the precise one that will occur. You also have to keep in mind that it is impossible for God to experience time the same way we do. His omnipresence means that He is present and aware of all points on the timeline of creation. This does not invalidate Him giving free will to His creation. In a sense, from His perspective, every decision that will ever be made in creation could have been made at the very moment (or however He experiences time) He willed creation to exist. The decisions are still there, even if He knows what they will be."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\nDo you follow the word of “Reformed theology” or the word of Christ? Are the laws and institutes of Jesus Christ and John Calvin identical in your mind? The grace of God comes by one name first: Jesus Christ, and then it comes to us by these names: Saint Paul, the Apostles, the Fathers, and the Saints. There is no good reason for John Calvin, his name, or his theology, to play into our faith whatsoever. He is not a mediator between us and God in any way whatsoever. We pray for him, we do not claim him."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nThis is such a pointless semantic argument."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nCalvin establishes himself as a mediator between us and the true faith, so between us and God, while at the same time telling you that he is liberating you from all mediators. It’s a true lie, a deception. There is still time to repent of the lie and be saved."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>100\n>This is your opinion\nNo, it's a linguistic fact\n>Hebrews 6 shows this outright.\nNever does it say apostates were truly believing.\n>No because the glorified will necessarily be justified first.\nThe text does not say \"those whom He glorified He also justified\", but \"those whom He justified He also glorified\". Please show me where in Romans 8 we have someone who is justified, and not glorified.\n>Just as every pilot will necessarily have gone to pilot school first.\n\"Those who went to pilot school became pilots\".\n>Dude, you snuck in with a post forty minutes after the fact.\nDo you spend every waking moment on this board?\n>God can show mercy towards men without necessarily saving those men\nThis does not answer my question, it merely asserts that there is an answer. Mercy which does not entail the forgiveness of sins is not mercy. This is a contradiction.\n>Not everyone who is hardened is judged unto destruction\nIn what sense was Pharaoh hardened?\n>>101\n>Please stop trying to put words in everyone else's mouth.\nI am merely allowing your words to say what they do but you wish they didn't.\n>The action in salvation is all God's\nIt is not all God's if I must act in cooperating with His grace to be saved, then it is also my action in cooperating with Him. Prevenient grace is something which I fail to see in the bible.\n>Please go read Matthew 22 again.\nThere is no prevenient grace there either. The wedding feast is about Jews and gentiles, and the text makes no reference to enabling.\n>>102\n>First off, I don't like putting any limits on God\nI did not put a limit on God but on the future. Do you not agree that there is one certain future which will actually occur, known at least to God?\n>His omnipresence means that He is present and aware of all points on the timeline of creation.\nGod could only know future points if they are equally as actual as past points, otherwise there is nothing to know. Could God make a false prophecy of future events, yes or no?"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nThis is projection. Calvin, like all the reformers, urges all believers to put the practices of any visible church to the test of scripture. Calvin certainly had his own ideas on theology, and he wrote about them. So did Augustine. So did Thomas Aquinas."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>104\nThat’s what I thought, which is why I closed the tab and stopped wasting my time arguing with someone who hasn’t a clue."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>39\norigen solved this without egomaniacal le chosen ones bullshit"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\n>No, it's a linguistic fact\nAnother opinion of yours.\n>Never does it say apostates were truly believing.\nIt openly states they shared in the spirit. You're assumption that they mustn't have ever been true believers is an addition that the text itself militates against.\n>Please show me where in Romans 8 we have someone who is justified, and not glorified.\nPlease show me where it states that the call to repentance is only substantively made to some and not to others. The phrase \"those who go to pilot school will become pilots\" does not necessitate everyone who attends pilot school actually becoming pilots. In the same way, the phrase \"those whom He called He also justified\" does not necessarily mean that all those who are called will necessarily remain in the faith even if the call is genuine.\n>Do you spend every waking moment on this board?\nDo you? If I'm away for forty minutes or so I don't then try and continue an argument that has clearly run its course out of some puerile need to have the final say.\n>Mercy which does not entail the forgiveness of sins is not mercy.\nThis is a narrow view of mercy. Mercy can also entail blessings and such. Technically every breath man receives is a mercy. At any rate, you're moving the goal posts - you initially tried to make out that Paul's reference to mercy in Romans 9 must be salvific in nature. I pointed out how this wasn't necessarily the case and now you're trying to back pedal. Even the forgiveness of sins does not necessitate salvation. One may have their sins forgiven only to then sin again. At the same time, we ought to realise that the phrase \"He has mercy on whom He wills and hardens whom He wills\" is also affirming what every Christian already agrees on - that God is motivated by nothing except his own will. But this is not the end, since God has subsequently declared that He will have mercy on all those who call on Him and give up only those who persist in sin to their own sins. (1/2)"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>106\nThis scenario, however, in no way indicates that God will only provide some with the capacity to recognise Him and not others. Nor does it prevent God from subsequently willing to have mercy on those who keep Christ's commandments (as scripture affirms).\n>In what sense was Pharaoh hardened?\nPharaoh was given over to destruction only after he had hardened his own heart multiple times."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>107\n>This is projection\nYou are right about that, forgive me. Even so, Calvin is not a saint in the Christian church, he did not attain the level of holiness of a saint. I understand why you would need to place him in the venerable tradition of these two great saints if you refer to your faith in Christ Almighty by his name, but their names and the name of Calvin do not deserve to be in the same sentence. Believe me, neither of them attempted to establish their own righteousness, bottleneck, control, or mediate the entire Christian religion, the way Calvin did and continues to do in the lives of his followers."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\n>Another opinion of yours.\nThat this is an opinion of mine is an opinion of yours.\n>It openly states they shared in the spirit\nEvanescent grace.\n>You're assumption that they mustn't have ever been true believers is an addition that the text itself militates against.\nIt is an assumption which is derived from other scriptures, and not contradicted in this one.\n>Please show me where it states that the call to repentance\nThe call here referenced is not the call to repentance (which is made through men) but the effectual call by which the elect are drawn to the Lord (which is performed immediately by the Holy Spirit).\n>does not necessitate everyone who attends pilot school actually becoming pilots\nIt does if the word \"also\" appears.\n\"And those who went to pilot school also became pilots\".\n>Do you?\nNo.\n>Technically every breath man receives is a mercy.\nYes because he deserves to be cast into hell immediately. This common grace is not the mercy being referred to in Romans 9, which is explicitly particular.\n>One may have their sins forgiven only to then sin again.\nAnd if they sin again they will still be forgiven without anything in their status before God changing whatsoever at any moment because they are justified through the imputation of their sins to Christ and the imputation of Christ's righteousness to them."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>110\n>that God is motivated by nothing except his own will\nIf God is motivated by nothing but His own will, He must not be motivated by the fulfillment of a condition on part of His creatures.\n>God has subsequently declared that He will have mercy on all those who call on Him\nAmen, but the question as far as the doctrines of grace are concerned is whether they call on Him because God has intervened to enable them, or whether they call on Him out of the autonomous motion of their own will?\n>>111\n>Nor does it prevent God from subsequently willing to have mercy on those who keep Christ's commandments\nDoes He have mercy on them because they keep Christ's commandments, or do they keep Christ's commandments because He has mercy on them?\n>Pharaoh was given over to destruction\nOk, then that's what Paul is talking about in Romans 9 because that's the immediate context."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\n>Evanescent grace.\nAnother assumption formed by Calvin in order to justify preconceived conclusions.\n>It is an assumption which is derived from other scriptures, and not contradicted in this one.\nI'd say sharing in the spirit makes them genuine Christians. This has also what has consistently been affirmed by the Church. Anything beyond this is a coping mechanism on your part.\n>The call here referenced is not the call to repentance (which is made through men) but the effectual call by which the elect are drawn to the Lord (which is performed immediately by the Holy Spirit).\nShow me where it states the call is made to all but is only truly made to some.\n>\"And those who went to pilot school also became pilots\".\n\"And those who go to pilot school will also become pilots\" does not necessitate all those who go to pilot school actually becoming pilots, no.\n>This common grace is not the mercy being referred to in Romans 9, which is explicitly particular\nYou haven't shown this. You've just stated it over and over.\n>And if they sin again they will still be forgiven without anything in their status before God changing whatsoever at any moment because they are justified through the imputation of their sins to Christ and the imputation of Christ's righteousness to them.\nThe idea that one can sin boldly and still be assured of salvation is a Protestant development.\n>If God is motivated by nothing but His own will, He must not be motivated by the fulfillment of a condition on part of His creatures.\nYou are confusing what motivates God with what God actually decrees. God has subsequently decreed that He shall have mercy on those who keep Christ's commandments (works) and that one's work shall even complete one's faith (James 2:22). We see then that we are justified by works and not by faith alone. Ergo works are a condition, not simply a by-product. (1/2)."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\n>Does He have mercy on them because they keep Christ's commandments, or do they keep Christ's commandments because He has mercy on them?\nSee >>101\n>>114\n>Ok, then that's what Paul is talking about in Romans 9 because that's the immediate context.\nYou cannot force your opinion by only looking at one part of Pharaoh's hardening and not the other. \"Immediate context\" in Romans does not somehow invalidate the fact that Pharaoh's destruction only came after he hardened his own heart. That Paul did not reference this particular fact in this particular passage hardly gives you the right to dismiss it as a believer."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\n>I'd say sharing in the spirit makes them genuine Christians\nIt does not because they did not have true faith. They had a different and temporary grace which brought them near into the Church for a time, but which gave them confusion rather than saving faith, so that they thought they believed but did not even understand, that they might be judged for their sin in disgracing the Lord by turning their backs on Him.\n>Show me where it states the call is made to all\nDifferent calls.\n>does not necessitate all those who go to pilot school actually becoming pilots, no.\nCould you please show me the people who are justified and not glorified in Romans 8?\n>You haven't shown this\nIt could not be shown any more than it has. The text contrasts mercy and those whom God has freely shown mercy to, to those like Pharaoh who instead was hardened. Please explain how it is not particular if there are people who do not receive it.\n>The idea that one can sin boldly and still be assured of salvation is a Protestant development.\nAh, I see, you do not believe the gospel. You will not be saved unless you humble yourself and rely on Christ alone. Romans 4:5-8 teaches the imputation.\n>God has subsequently decreed that He shall have mercy on those who keep Christ's commandments (works) and that one's work shall even complete one's faith (James 2:22). We see then that we are justified by works and not by faith alone. Ergo works are a condition, not simply a by-product.\nSo Paul was wrong about the one who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly having his faith counted for righteousness.\n>>116\n>That Paul did not reference this particular fact in this particular passage\nMaybe the inspired apostle did not agree with your interpretation of Exodus. I think I will take his interpretation."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\n>It does not because they did not have true faith.\nAn assumption on your part.\n>Different calls.\nAnother assumption on your part.\n>Could you please show me the people who are justified and not glorified in Romans 8?\nCalvinists claim the spirit is irresistible whereas Hebrews 6 states plainly that even those who share in the spirit can still fall away of their own accord. This is part of why Christ commands His followers to remain in Him and to bear fruits (works). If it were the case that every branch that is attached to the true vine will remain and prosper universally, such an explanation would not have been necessary.\n> Please explain how it is not particular if there are people who do not receive it.\nWhere is it written that some do not receive mercy from God? God granting mercy to whom He wills does not preclude Him granting it to every creature in one capacity or another.\n>Ah, I see, you do not believe the gospel.\nThe Gospel does not teach that those who accept Christ can sin without seeking repentance for those latter sins. Indeed, John commands the followers of Jesus to continue to confess and to forgive.\n>So Paul was wrong about the one who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly having his faith counted for righteousness.\nInitial justification requires no work on the part of the individual, but those who remain justified will do great works of charity and mercy, and these works are not mere by-products. They complete our faith as outlined in James.\n>I think I will take his interpretation.\nI suppose there is a first time for everything. Up to now, you've only been taking Calvin's assumptions concerning Paul's interpretation."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\n\nAt any rate, I am off. It's the early hours of the morning. I hope you find it in your heart to recognise that Calvin's exegesis is not the be all and end all that you desire it to be. I understand the allure, regardless. God bless."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\n>Calvinists claim blah blah blah\nSo you can't show me where these people are in this text?\n>If it were the case that every branch that is attached to the true vine will remain and prosper universally, such an explanation would not have been necessary\nThe warnings against apostasy are given to encourage believers against conceit and to humbly cling to God, and to bring judgement upon apostates.\n>Where is it written that some do not receive mercy from God?\nIn pretty much the entirety of Romans 9 which does virtually nothing but contrast these vessels of mercy against the vessels of wrath.\n>God granting mercy to whom He wills does not preclude Him granting it to every creature in one capacity or another.\nPharaoh?\n>The Gospel does not teach that those who accept Christ can sin without seeking repentance for those latter sins.\nRight there is no permission to sin, what there is is forgiveness of sin which is precisely what is denied in Rome's false gospel of works righteousness. That we have certainty of our forgiveness when we confess our sins to Him is precisely because He paid for it once for all."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\n>Initial justification requires no work on the part of the individual\nInitial justification is a fantasy which can be found nowhere in scripture, least of all Romans 4. But this excuse does you no good, because the text not only says \"who does not work\" but \"justifies the ungodly\". Who is the man that at the same time is ungodly and justified? Is it not the case that in initial justification the sinner is justified because the grace of baptism poured into his soul has eradicated his sin, so that he is able to enter the presence of God precisely because he is internally and properly righteous? Who then is it, that is ungodly, and yet justified? There is none in Rome's system, nobody is simul iustus et pecator. Nor does initial justification explain the lack of works, since this picture Paul paints is of a lazy man who lives an ungodly life, in contrast to a righteous man who obeys God by doing good works. The point Paul is making is to answer the question: this non-existent man, who inwardly is wicked and worthless, but believes the gospel, is he nevertheless forgiven for Christ's sake? And the answer he gives is yes, because the sinner is justified by faith alone, being reconciled to God through a foreign righteousness, so that his own internal state is irrelevant before God. \"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute sin\". That is why Abraham was justified before and without his circumcision.\n>Up to now, you've only been taking Calvin's assumptions\nNope\n>>119\nGod bless you too, friend."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\nThe appeal of Calvin’s exegesis is that it “liberates” the Calvinist from having to do any meaningful repentance. Why repent if God is sovereign and I am saved? I think we can all relate to seeing the appeal of something like that. However, ultimately we must obey the Lord, and the Lord tells us that we must repent of these lies and deeply reconsider our ways (Haggai 1:7)."}, {"id": 123, "content": "\"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”\n>j/k you were always a reprobate lmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw after the mexican-american war, mexican liberals offered a \"toast\" to the americans and offered the presidency of Mexico to Winfield Scott, but he rejected the offer"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica didn't want Mexico because it would've likely ended up free territory, and Southern States feared being wedged between two massive free territories because it would've greatly diminished their agenda in Congress."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>USA\nThe Taliban recapturing Afghanistan after spending 20 years there has to be one of the lowest points we've sunk to ngl"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Prohibition"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nAmerica pulled out of Afghanistan after signing the Doha Agreement with the Taliban. It wasn't a loss for Americans, it was only a loss for Afghanistans old regime. And even if it were a loss for Americans, I'd hardly call being able to hold territory on the other side of the planet for 20 years as nothing more than a \"Special Joint Military Operation\" the lowerst point in American history."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Trickle-down economics might be the most retarded idea to get behind, and I have no idea how annihilating American jobs to ship them overseas to make the very top people more rich sold so well."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nIt’s significantly more embarrassing than Vietnam IMO\n>not even remotely as much aid as the Soviets gave Vietnam\n>trillions more spent\n>ostracized by almost the entire planet\n>reduced to hiding in mountains against a country that could continue the war forever\n>still win"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing conquered by swedecucks. No matter how many memes I post about swedes being homosexuals (they really are) doesnt wash the shame."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nIf it wasn’t a loss, what the fuck did we possibly gain? We went in specifically to remove the Taliban from Afghanistan and 20 years later we failed. It is a loss at every level."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nIt sold well because the alternative to outsourcing your entire manufacturing sector and having the middle class shoulder massive tax breaks was godless communism, now eat the bugs"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nWe went in to get Osama Bin Laden and Al Quaeda. We killed the former and did terrible damage to the latter. Anything afterwards was just the MIC and the Neo-con dipshits jacking themselves off."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nAren't those varangians?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThats what mudpeople call them in Byzantine empire."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nIt was pretty bad desu, all those memes of translators falling from plains and soldiers scared shitless because of poor leadership made me feel more ashamed than BLM and the Iraq war + a bunch of other shit combined."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nRussian called the varangians too."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nNo this is based on written records in Byzantine empire. Russians lived in mudhuts."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking, why does India have such a lackluster military compared to other major regions? They never even expanded out of the subcontinent or created major empires. I don't even think Indians are bad warriors as seen in the British army but they've been conquered so much."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They never even expanded out of the subcontinent\n\nChina never expanded out of China\nNo SE Asian Empire expanded out of SE Asia\nNo African empire expanded out of Africa\nNo Meso-American states ever created major empires\n\nYet all this focus on India."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>SE Asian Empire\nWeren't most of them founded by jeets?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere were several Indian empires, no? On the top of my head, there’s the Maurya empire at least."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey were relatively small though"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>China never expanded out of China\nChina was originally much smaller. They conquered Outer Mongolia, Manchuria and Tibet which are all now a permanent part of China\n>No African empire expanded out of Africa\nNew Kingdom Egypt, Aksum, Carthage, Fatimids, and Almoravids\n>No Meso-American states ever created major empires\nAztecs and Inca"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndia was seldom ever truly unified. Any would-be emperor who conquered most of the subcontinent would invariably find himself bogged down in trying to hold it together, as would his heirs, and eventually it'd either come apart at the ethnic seams or get invaded by some new enemy.\n\nThe Muslim conquest and resulting Sultanate also pretty much permanently put an end to any hope of ever unifying India, and thus projecting power outside the subcontinent. The religious conflict between various Muslim and Hindu rulers has been going for like 800 years, and was only briefly put on hold during the British conquest of India. Even to this day India is divided against itself, having been carved up by Britain in an effort to prevent a new religious bloodletting after they withdrew. So far it's mostly worked, in that there's been no full scale invasion by either India or Pakistan/Bangladesh. What a shitshow it would be if they ever did decide to renew the old war, though."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nall those territories were conquered by the Manchu dynasty. Han dynasty tend to be very insular"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nA Han dynasty literally mustered a hundred thousand men to go fuck up some mountain Greeks a thousand miles away that even the pajeets next door couldn’t handle."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He was fucking based. All that degenerate shit they said about him was lugenpresse propaganda. Modern politics make this pretty obvious, we haven't changed.\nHe did appoint a horse a senator though, which is hilarious and showed his contempt for the absolute state of governance."}, {"id": 2, "content": "wow, that's so cool!! can you go fuck off and be a retard somewhere else now"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nUh oh, I seemed to have touched a nerve. I suppose this knowledge doesn't agree with what you were taught in Prof. Shekelberg's class last semester?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nshut up we are trying to kill the board and your light banter is not helping"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif he was so based how did he end up getting assassinated"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Prove me wrong."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk why you post a European man with jewish star pins and flag instead of just a jewish man whose a zionist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNazis don't make me sick to my stomach like Zionists do."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy don't you just build your stupid temple"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's up with the sudden surge of Muslim content on the internet? What led to it? Some early internet people might be able to help me out with this one, was it like this with Christian content back in the day? I certainly remember there being more creationist content on YouTube a while back but my experience doesn't go that far back."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's actually more creationist content on youtube because the old stuff is still there plus new stuff praise God"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe islamic world got iphones and the dawahtards found the internet"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What's up with the sudden surge of Muslim content on the internet?\nOil money and government gibs. Green transition away from oil consumption will fix the islamic infestation."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>green transition"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslamic countries got good high speed internet sometime in the late 2000’s-early 2010’s. Same thing with India and now Africa is next."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Islam is appealing because it sets firm boundaries and Christianity doesn’t\n\nIslam tells you how to shit, piss, eat, sleep, wash, work, love, hate, and everything else\n\nChristianity is vague as fuck and contradictory"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI know but it has real geopolitical relevance climate change or not."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nI'm actually interested to see what Africans will be like on the internet."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Mama if you don’t apologize to me right this minute, I’m going back to Costa Rica!\n>If it’s the same stuff I ate last night, FOGET it, I don’t wanna eat poison\n>That’s your business, man. I got no friends in this village, that’s YOUR cross to carry\n>Are the butchers on strike?\n>Let’s have it, Let’s have it, Let’s have it\n>I hate this country, man! In Costa Rica we don’t behave like that!\n>You know in Costa Rica, we call this “Earringo Flamingo”\n>Put me down! Put me down! I don’t want to play!\n>Can I shock you? Your brother is broke"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Quotes from history that aged well"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nsource?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nwtf is this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://incels.wiki/w/Nikola_Tesla"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who lived there? What were the cultures there like?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMutt central, still mutt central but they were bleached by the slavs a little after the Huns settled with some of their Turkic allies and the Romanian mountain folk helped bleach them too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nImagine a slav calling someone a mutt."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Imagine a slav calling someone a mutt"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>ancient discord meme screencap\nMagyar sisters..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">\"Father of the Turks\"\n>Wasn’t ethnically Turkish\n>Couldn’t even breed\n>A homosexual\n>Had an Arabian name\n\nWTF?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "OP is built for my bbc"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">economy fixed by hjalmar schacht and co.\n>military victories can be attributed to german generals\n>holocaust and death camps done by himmler and ss\n>nuremberg race laws drafted by rudolf hess\n>propaganda and public speaking done by goebbels\n>foreign affairs handled by neurath and ribbentrop\nwhat the fuck did hitler even do? what was his job?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a symbolic figure and he went full spastic about jews so Israel was created as reparations."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIncorrect, Israel was already going to be made even before he became Germany’s leader. She even agreed with zionists in the creation of Israel, as long as they kept their people in their nation. This was before WW2 occurred"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>military victories can be attributed to german generals\nWrong."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was cute and funny"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWas he autistic? I was reading \"the young Hitler I knew\" by his childhood friend August kubizek and he was very stubborn and had no sense of humour and took everything literally and being rigid is an autistic trait and his stubbornness or rigidity showed itself in WWII especially in his decision making and I was wondering if his personality helped lose the war?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe idea Hitler had nothing to do with the military successes is wrong. Initially, the plan for the war with France was some slow dragged out thing where Germany was basically supposed to clench its asshole and hope like fuck, but Hitler actually was responsible for saying this plan was shit and going with the bolder plan of the younger general whatshisname which ended up in the notorious victory over France. There was a reason he was so admired in the early days of the war, Hitler had success after success after success, and that really helped people start worshipping him."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit is obvious,\nhis job was being a charismatic figurehead"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">According to The Autobiography of Malcolm X, all the races other than the black race were by-products of Yakub's (spelled Yacub in the biography) work, as the \"red, yellow and brown\" races were created during the \"bleaching\" process;[6]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "That's when he was in that cult. He rejected it towards the end and mellowed out before they killed him."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnce Malcom X went to Mecha, he realized that all races are the same and he changed his mind, but since he was part of the racist black supremacist group Nation of Islam, they killed him for disobeying (because he started to disagree with them on a bunch of issues, not this one particularly I think)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI was focusing on the part where he said every race besides black and white was a product of white men cumming in black pussies\n>>3\nApparently the actual muslims were \"shocked\" by the Yakub story"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThis is the most American story I've ever heard. Dude was literally so shocked when he met a lightskinned African muslim that it changed his entire worldview."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Spain, France, and Britain become large centralized states so much earlier than Germany and Italy? And why did tiny 'extra' countries like the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Luxembourg survive the process?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Brazil never become a powerful country? It has resources and population, and no nearby enemies to sap its strength."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt didn't become a Republic until the 1980s"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Too high of a population during industrialization, too many brown people, too late of industrialization"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7i0yA_upx8 [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Jesus Question. Jesus didn't exist. The assumption that there must be a real Jew behind the story is just that, an assumption. When you actually look into the evidence, it's threadbare.\n\n>Paul called someone a Brother of the Lord. Something baptized Christians called each other. That's as good as it gets.\n\n>The Gospels are fantastical nonsense written anonymously in foreign land and foreign language half a century later at a minimum. We have no originals and the only complete texts come from the 4th century. The gospels aren't a reliable source.\n\n>noooo nobody could possibly just write a story about someone who isn't real! He was a nobody! That's why there's no independent evidence outside a ridiculous story from half a century later. So just throw out everything in the Gospels but assume a hypothetical Jew we know nothing about. Why? Well...everyone else assumes it! We've always assumed it! How could that much assumption be wrong?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIm going through Carriers debates currently and highlighting his stuff.\n\n>James Brother\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=1416 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2669 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2691 [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What were his motives?\nHow did he manage shot a target in a moving car twice with a shitty $200 hunting rifle?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What were his motives?\nSame as any lone shooters motives, he was clinically insane.\n>How did he manage shot a target in a moving car twice with a shitty $200 hunting rifle?\nA car in a motorcade traveling maybe 20 mph at most, plus Carcanos are pretty accurate little rifles, don't let the price of cheap surpluss fool you."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis Soviet sniper killed 40 guys with a mosin-nagant, your arguement that \"shitty bolt action cannot kill anyone\" is invalid"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nSimo used a shitty bolt action rifle too right? And he had hundreds of kills. So much for \"shitty bolt action rifles csnnot kill anyone\"\nOP destroyed."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHe was a shitty marksmen with no experience though\n>moving target\n>at that distance\n>with a shitty bolt action hunting rifle"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>>3\n>>1 (OP)\nthe firearms action has absolutely nothing to do with its accuracy unless its recoil operated. Bolt action rifles are just as accurate as semiautomatics."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nHe was a Marine dude"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nA marine with no experience who only had to hit a target at 50 and 75 yards to qualify as an expert. The military doesnt train all soldiers to be snipers but to be calm during conflict and follow orders efficiently. The muh mareeen cope is downeight retarded and an obvious nogunz indicator"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>The military doesnt train all soldiers to be snipers but to be calm during conflict and follow orders efficiently\nthats...wrong lmao, you learn introductory marksmanship as soon as you're in basic training"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why don't Jews just build their temple so they can stop kvetching?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot my problem. Let sand nigger settle this between themselves. If arabs cant defeat Israel they continue to live in shame."}, {"id": 3, "content": "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO\nDO NOT LET THOSE KIKES DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\nI'M FUCKING SERIOUS!\nDO. NOT. LET. THEM. DO. IT.\nFucking faggots."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy? They can burn a couple bulls or whatever and stop crying. It would end all this schizo nonsense"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNo meme arrow therefore you say that and also mock that (take your meds schizo)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was destroyed every time they tried"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey tried during Julian and since then no Jewish state existed. Jews have a state what's stopping them? Are they afraid of Muslims?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "guys how to make holy temple? I made building but how to make holy?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Roman empire appreciation thread"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The weak should fear the strong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "MFW an atheist implies that Satan rules hell and punishes the sinners."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Satan doesnt torture you in Hell\n>its actually Jesus doing the torturing\n>checkmate, atheist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSatan does not run hell, but he will be imprisoned there when God makes the final call for those who obey Jesus versus those who oppose Him. Jesus is the highest authority over all things and all places (Colossians 1:15-18,Psalm 139:7-8)."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI know, so Jesus/Yahweh is torturing people.\n\nWhat a nice benevolent god."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhy do you believe murderers should be allowed to go free?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>/x/"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nJust living close to the troons and pedos that populate hell is torture enough."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How many people (peasants) would an average high ranking noble have killed if he were to live a long life in a violent period like the reconquista?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "none"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would he kill his own property?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI was thinking of killing mozarabs or enemy serfs or something"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod's truest nature is the thing he manifests persistently as the sole frame of reference of reality and uses his consciousness to animate. God is a retard for believing that he can self-identify as a \"high ranking noble\" while making \"a peasant\" his sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently animated thing in reality (because that's what he is, \"a peasant\", that's his true material nature in material reality, when he chooses to manifest and animate a persistent frame of reference for material reality it will always be \"a peasant\" because that's what he is in material reality, \"a peasant\", he is only \"a high ranking noble\" in his delusions but it would be impossible for him to persistently animate one or make it the sole frame of reference for material reality because it's just not what he actually is, his true nature is \"a peasant\")"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nFor how long will the buddhist schizo haunt my threads?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nit is impossible to know since not every defeat in medieval times was a definite kill. There were no gunpowder weapons, so one can get defeated in battle and survive without getting absolutely murdered. A gunpowder weapon definitely kills, a blade or an arrow not always kills and csn let you survive the day.\nNeither there was a fully organised war that counts every single dead body in the field.\n>>3\nAlso this again, whole \"chivalric code\" was based around the fact that peasants shouldnt be randomly killed because they are an economic factor. And not all peasants went to war."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Give me just 1 piece of physical evidence from 1-33 AD that the historical Jesus existed, a writing, a drawing, a legal record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe everything in the Bible and renounce Atheism."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol we had this thread and people brought up Alexander, Cyrus an Caeser and they all fit your criteria"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlenty of historical records from multiple sources telling the same shit about jewsus. Now you can delete your thread."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">inb4 Christcucks say Cyrus the Great, Alexander the Great, Socrates, Plato, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Stalingrad, your great grandfather didnt exist\n>inb4 \"show me proof of evolution\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThere are none from 1-33 AD, only ones from 100 years after Jesus supposed death, long after the myth had been established."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Cast not your pearls before swine, brethren. Remember that is a command from the Lord, not a pithy saying."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhy can't you give me the evidence I ask for? Surely Jesus left some behind in case people eventually started asking. It should be easy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThere is literally 12 books of eye witness records in the bible."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nAny evidence they had a source independent of the gospels?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nName one person who saw Jesus and wrote something down."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nanarchism is an irrational monkey brain faggotry"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nok, who wrote gospels? Who is this ancient secret society?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nThey're anonymous. Any evidence of a source independent of the gospels? No dodging."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Jesus lives even now. He is alive and well, very much so. You're asking for small things wondering \"How can this possibly be? How can smarter than me? better than me? Scientifically more influential than me make Jesus big?\" when he is right in front of you right now. The King is here. King Jesus is here."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Give me just 1 piece of physical evidence from 1-33 AD that the historical Jesus existed, a writing, a drawing, a legal record, a death certificate, anything, and I will believe everything in the Bible and renounce Atheism.\ni'm confused\nyou can find plenty of evidence just by googling it\nthe fact that jesus existed is a known and proven\n\nbut knowing the guy existed doesn't prove his supposed miracles and resurrection"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Did+Jesus+exist%3F"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nThen post it in this thread"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>you can find plenty of evidence just by googling it\n\n>Paul called someone a brother of the lord, which could mean a baptized christian since he calls other people that. Paul says nothing about Jesus's life. He claims he got his information from a vision. He is not aware of the gospels, they haven't been written yet. That's the best evidence.\n\n>The gospels are silly fantastical nonsense about a magic Jew written anonymously in the late first century in a foreign land and in a foreign language. There's nothing outside of the gospels that corroborates anything about this alleged Jewish preacher. So these are useless as a source.\n\nThat's it. That's the sum total of the evidence for Jesus."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>>/x/"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>i'm confused\nThat's really obvious."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hope you wont ingore my post like in previous thread"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nI don't get it. You want evidence for supernatural things, yet you denounce the witness of the Gospels as \"silly and fantastical\" on account of their supernatural claims. Why is your standard of proof so arbitrarily high?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nYour entire argument relies on a conspiracy theory that the carbon dating samples were contaminated, because you didn't like the results"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nThe shroud is just as good of evidence as all the other miracles produced by Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>I don't get it. You want evidence for supernatural things\n\nI just want proof of Jesus building furniture or paying his taxes"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n...why?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>>24\n\nanon mad I disprove his fagg thread"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Testimonium Flavianum\n\nAbout this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe closest that there is, is Tacitus second account that there are christians who follow the teaching of a man who was crucified by Pontus Pilate. This already pass your date range but this is generally enough for historians to more or less accept a historical jesus."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>8\nClown"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>Testimonium Flavianum\nForgery, it was written 60 years after Jesus' alleged death so it's irrelevant anyway"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>a wise man\n>if indeed one ought to call him a man\n>He was the Christ\n>He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life\n>for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him\nImagine actually thinking that a Jew wrote this"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe bible, full of eye witness accounts. Also all the butthurt faggots who hate the truth."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>8\nThere are no eyewitnesses, just hearsay written long afterwards from people with means, incentive, and motive to lie."}, {"id": 35, "content": "there is no proof, not of the kind you ask for anyway\nyou know there isn't any proof of this kind. that's why you start these threads\nwhat's mindboggling is that people keep on replying, knowing full well you're gonna shove off anything they bring up\nand people wonder why /his/ is fucking trash"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>22\nI want evidence there was a historical Jesus. A story about a magic Jew from the late first century isn't evidence."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid Alexander the Great exist ?"}, {"id": 38, "content": "Why are Christians so terrible at filtering sources? A chemist cannot cite his own book as proof for citationless claims laid out in his own book for glaringly obvious reasons and I'm sure any \"anti-empiricist rationality-pilled\" Christian wouldn't hesitate to point it out if it were to happen - and yet, every debate with a Christian inevitably ends in the same fucking way: the claims in my book are valid because it says so, here, in the same book making the claims and NO there is no need for authoritative outside verification"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>Contemporaries who wrote accounts of his life include Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman.[1] Finally, there is the very influential account of Cleitarchus who, while not a direct witness of Alexander's expedition, used sources which had just been published.\nThe thread is about Jesus though"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nWell by using thread logic if there no evidence Alex exist but you believe he did how is it any different from J\n\nBut...but..bb he claimed to be son of God buuuu huuuuu"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? You're the only one talking about Alexander the Great because you want to derail the thread.\nWhere are the contemporary sources for Jesus' existence?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">atheist is presented with the evidence he asked for\n>\"uhm axchtually that doesn't count\"\nThere's no debating retardation. If you want to argue about the miracles/divinity of Jesus, sure, but it is not only totally plausible but most valid historians believe that Jesus as some type of figure existed"}, {"id": 43, "content": "Ever notice how atheists always devolve into bad faith arguments? They're in such a constant state of asshurt that they keep moving the goalposts in more and more ludicrous ways each time"}, {"id": 44, "content": "Im going through carrier's debates and highlighting specific parts.\n\nJames Brother\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=1416 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2669 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2691 [Embed]\n\nJosephus\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=1576 [Embed]\n\nTacitus\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=1627 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2970 [Embed]\n\nCan any of you Christcucks think of something you want to hear addressed by Carrier? I will try to find it."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nwell they are retarded after all"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>10\nPaul"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\n>Well by using thread logic if there no evidence Alex exist but you believe he did how is it any different from J\nNo"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nAre there any highlights of him explaining why is he a cuckold?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nGnostic Informant already BTFO'd him, several times:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjecNuY4UEY [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEvljt3_z4Y [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWSKMfZK-_k [Embed]"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>36\n>A story about a magic Jew from the late first century isn't evidence.\nGenetic fallacy. Your move."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>21\nThe carbon dating proves it to be remains from an Italian reenactment."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nLol no\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAQQhBnCVQs [Embed]\nI'm actually quite surprised to see that there is a legit chance that the shroud is authentic, as well as there being far too many unsolvable mysteries surrounding it."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOkay, when you can give me the same physical evidence of some other random person around that time."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\nwrong that was according 1 jewish study that studied only top layer others disprove it"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>Random\nStrawman"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPossibly 11Q5"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nOops.\nI meant 11QT54"}, {"id": 58, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>8\n>There is 12 books\nI have a feeling this guy went to a Christian school."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the 1400's the worst century in English history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npost-Norman invasion English history was literally cursed until Victorian era. Imagine if bunch of Russian weaboos invaded USA and installed a weaboo government there and this weaboo government went into war with Japan. That is what the norman invasions was, bunch of Francophile norsemen invaded British and installed a Francophile government and then in return this Frankophile England wntered an endless war eith France."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Its was the 20th century."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are southern Italians really even European/White?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Are southern Italians really even European\nYes\n>White?\nEuropeans didnt classify races by skin colour like colonial mutts."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks like a weird map. No idea how Sakha Turks and Mongolians could have more pie admixture than Kalmyks.\nAnyway, this board should ban discussion about India and Italy below emilia romagna.\nIt's been a while since anything productive has come out of threads about those regions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>classify races by skin colour\nReminder Alpines aren't European, they belong to Turkey.\n>>1 (OP)\nNo, of course. Those are farm equipment."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nSlavs are also all above 50% WSH and there are no people with above 45% in South Asia.\n>>unknown\nAt my sight, he's writing quite differently from the goblin. I'd rather say it's a newfag."}, {"id": 6, "content": "nop"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSouthern Italians Look like THAT!?!?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the Bible, literally the Aryans (Achaemenids under Koresh, Cyrus the Great) inspired by God give the ancient Israelites back their freedom after conquering Babylon circa 539 BC.\n\nThere, I said it. Do something.\n\n>Old Persian script was called Aryan (OP. ariyā) by the Achaemenids. It is largely known from an extensive body of *cuneiform* inscriptions – especially from the time of Darius the Great (r. 522-486 BCE) and his son Xerxes (r. 486-465BCE)[3]. However, some scholars believe that Aryan was invented by the first Iranian dynasty, the Medes (728-550BCE), and then adopted by the Achaemenids as the imperial script[4]. Old Persian script continued to survive, though in a corrupt form described by Skjærvø as ‘post-Old-Persian’, as late as the first century BCE[5].\n\n*cuneiform*\n\n\" King Darius says: By the grace of Ahuramazda this is the inscription which I have made. Besides, it was in Aryan (\"ariyâ\") script, and it was composed on clay tablets and on parchment. Besides, a sculptured figure of myself I made.\n—Behistun Inscription (IV lines 88–92)[21]\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYou are welcome."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Jesus will never not be a jew"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>mad\n\nmad"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So basically\n>Inb muh joos\nYou niggers killed six gorillion and still lost"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why do Christians get so angry when we look up the early life section of their faith?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't Hitler mock the idea of neo paganism in Mein Kampf?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I wish I was a half-Asiatic rapebeast red army soldier so I could find one of these SS pagan rune graves and piss on it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>>/pol/\n\nsubhuman"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYoung Men died at Normandy so their mulatto grandkids could get ethnically replaced by spics."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou skipped the panel where the USA did exactly what Hitler warned everyone about."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did this crank become so popular with neo-fascists and how would the original fascists feel about that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Because all fascists are retarded. Himmler believed in Magical Hyperboreans from the North who were somehow also Germans."}, {"id": 3, "content": "That is a stupid question.\n\nThe other anon ITT is also a faggot, like OP."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe his books have pictures so they bother reading him?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What looks like an \"international Jewish conspiracy\" is really just ordinary intra-ethnic affinity and solidarity + congenitally high IQs resulting from a genetic bottleneck in the Middle Ages.\n\nConspiracies like The Great Replacement is basically real, though the goal is to eliminate the white working and small business/kulak classes rather than white people in general as the white upper classes are both disgusted by them and want more pliant lower orders (white lower orders too uppity). It's the WASP coastal elite who are on top of the global food chain."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>>/pol/\n\nsubhuman"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "New official whiteness map of /his/ just dropped. Now is the time to seethe cope about hard facts."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe eastern shore of Mongolia (Finland) is too blue."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Finland\n>white\n\nlol"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIn fact, all of the swarthy lands of Scandinavia are WAY too blue. England (the home of the white man) is not blue enough."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nSwedish population on the Finnish coast makes the percentage higher. I was careful not to make the northern Sami reindeer herders too white."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Saami are white"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>swarthy lands of Scandinavia"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n12,5-5% They are in the same category sicilians when it comes to whiteness."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nSwedes are swarthy and this is well known.\n>>5\nBothinia and Finland are not that far inland. Tone Ubermongolia down."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYou learn something new every day. Britons are quite fucking swarthy and dark haired and in same category with Frenchoids but I was trying to be nice to them so I put most of them to 50%."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop trying to make Ice niggers white. You Will Never Be White, Sven. Only Anglo-Saxons are white. The more Anglo-Saxon you are, the more white. The less Anglo-Saxon, the less white you are.\n\n>All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSome kind amerimutt monstrosity from colonies having opinions about European races is just sad."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nDo you think Ben Franklyn is mixed or something? Because I'm from Netherlands and I'm pretty sure you just sound stupid."}, {"id": 14, "content": "These maps are stupid. I'm pretty blond and I don't think it has shit to do with \"white\", a lot of historylets are fixated on it, I guess Solomon Islanders and all of Finland is white. Here's the corrected map."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Anglos are not white"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThen being white is worthless and is about as low as an Arab. What language are you speaking right now?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nlol this dude has no idea what it means to exclude english from \"whiteness\", The only reason \"white\" is a prestige group in the current year is because of England primarily lmao."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nYou never know about Americans how mixed they are with natives or their negro slaves. You could be yourself 1/8 negro."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>>17\nSeethe\nAnglos look like turks. Should be 25% at max."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nAnglos are honorary semitic jews. And no offence to Scots or Irish you are not anglos."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>eastern"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n1/8th negro is very visible lol, and Ben's Dad was born in England and his Mother's father was a Flemish sort of \"Huguenot\" and his mother's mother was from England. I'm tempted to suggest that you're probably eastern european because the immigrants from there I've met here in netherlands think they're joining the \"in-group\" by making ridiculous unfavorable claims about the US because they see us joke about the US. If you are slavoid just to be clear, you're not white."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nOh fuck you are right its the western shore."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nWell then It's a shame you are literally ruled by so called \"mixed natives\" and \"1/8th negroes\". You do realize that Europe is an American colony by all measures, your economy and military relies on America, your political structures rely on America, You can never oppose us on anything, that you speak English because of Americans, you watch American movies, listen to American music and literally worship Americans, your kids espouse American culture? I could go on but you get the point. The prestige of being white comes from Anglos, not swedes. Americans are the reason people look up to white people, not lithuanian hobos. If you say Americans are all 1/8th niggers, than you are objectively worse than niggers."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>1/8th negro is very visible lol,\nYoure clearly a specialist about this race mixing in your continent."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Whiteness is an anglo-saxon construct imposed to differentiate them to black and brown slaves and colonized.\n\nI don't want to be white, keep your soulless whiteness and your white supremacy and then shove it up your ass."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>20\nIrish people have served the jews far more honorably than any anglo, historylets are extremely fixated on the post-ottoman bs that happened in the middle east, have no idea how immensely jew-loving the irishman has been.\nhttps://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-Irish-Jewish-connection"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>10\nGreen and Red are Whiter than Blonde and blue"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nYeah thanks for infesting our culture with your nigger culture. Cant wait for Europe to nuke Eastern Coast if shit hits the fan."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\n>specialist\nEurope? I live in Leiden nl."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n12 year old edgey serbian boy confirmed"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nPlease keep Irish out of your filthy negro mouth. Its shameful."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nhahahaha you're definitely a subhuman slav"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nAre you projecting?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nYou're proud of their accomplishments? Perform pisspoor raids throughout the dark age, cry victim when attacked in return, remain as primitive as Africa until the 17th century? You can hold that."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nI'm Swedish but its nice that lesser races get butthurt about their racial inferiority."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>>15\nWhy do slavs and anglos share this ugly phenotype?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nIrish are honest people who were backstabbed and treated cruelly by judeo-anglos. Its disgraceful that angloids even exist."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>no u r 1\nNice, you got me pal."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>ur 12 lmao\n>no u\n>u got me there epic\nAbsolute state."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nHow did St. Patrick get over there to Ireland again? Remind me.\nWhy did scotland speak a gaelic language? remind me?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nglasgow here. you better have a goodn in the chamber ireland.\n>>41"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nI have no idea about this but I'm sad that honest white folk were genocided by judeoanglos. It really is a tragedy."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nAre you anglo colonizer?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nI dont know, here in Scotland we don't conduct ourselves like Irish people who honestly speak and behave like gypsies."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>38\nAnglos are dying out"}, {"id": 47, "content": "How much of modern Italian ancestry are roman black slaves? 30-50% in the south?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nSo youre like a cuckold for anglos?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n70% in the south, 50% in the north"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSwedes aren’t white, they’re swarthy."}, {"id": 51, "content": "Imagine being European colonized by anglos and defending your overlords. Shame on you."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\n>>51\nwhich part of Europe are you from that you never were subject to a neighboring European polity?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nIm a fennoswede living on southern coast of Finland. I am colonizing them but we are benevolent."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>Finnish, an ugric mongrel\n>identifying as a neighboring prestige ethnicity\nYou should probably quiet down now lol"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWorthless map. Some brown peoples are much more relevant and interesting than white ones."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPerfectly fits"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nWe certainly are our own ethnicity with our language and culture. But you naturally have no idea."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nI know."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nYou're a Finnish person who speaks Swedish, and you speak Finnish too, and swedes kept records about as well as nigerians and so naturally you can just larp as a swede while being likely maximum 10-20% swedish, and that's generous."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\n>>58\nyes, your direct paternal ancestor 900000 years ago actually does determine your entire genetic makeup, you've solved it!"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nJuan Gonzalez huitzilochtli will be very pleased with this news."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\n>your direct paternal ancestor 900000 years ago\n5000\n>actually does determine your entire genetic makeup\nYes"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nPreajeet rajputnamaveerham has currently ascended to a higher plain upon hearing this news."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nIt doesn't and you're an idiot who doesn't even know his own y haplogroup, bet it's E3b."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nIt doesnt apply to monkeys, only to humans"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThis kind of talk usually comes from a non-white with an identity crisis. Are you Slavic?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>It doesn't\nIt does\n>and you're an idiot\nNo, you are\n>who doesn't even know his own y haplogroup, bet it's E3b.\nI am I1"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>59\n>and swedes kept records about as well as nigerians\nSweden, Church Records, 1451-1943\nSverige, kyrkböcker, 1451-1943\n\nAbout Sweden, Church Records, 1451-1943\nThe Sweden Church Records collection contains over 19 million images scanned from microfilm/microfiche of the original church records. The collection features various records from the 15th through the 20th century, including birth/baptismal, confirmation, marriage, and death/burial records; church ledgers; moving-in and moving-out registers; and household examination rolls. These are the main sources of genealogical information for Swedish family history research.\n\nMore recent records in the collection include parish books from 1942-1944, as allowed by the Swedish confidentiality act. In some cases, church records have been complemented with records kept by Statistics Sweden (abbreviated as SCB), a government agency. The collection includes SCB birth, marriage and death records from 1860 to 1944, and SCB extracts from parish books for 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930.\n\nSCB birth records from 1860 to 1947 have now been indexed in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1860-1947 collection, making it even easier to find the ancestors you're looking for.\n\nhttps://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2225/"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nI am from Kiel"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nWhat kind of subhuman animal are you to talk down to Scandinavians?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nThe western frontier of Sakhaland."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nI don't believe you, translate the following:\nNiskerik man ooze-ond\n>>70\nThe type who is one."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nI love how quiet the serb got.\nsup dannabro\nHon err enn fate turkisk larper o' vil icc blee anset sum white of no-en"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>8\nfingol women built for siciians"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\ngigantic eyes."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\n>I dont believe a random troll on 4can\nHoly fuck"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah we're not, I remember in elementary school our history teacher told us: only the blonde kids with light eyes can stand up. Only two stood up\n\nShe said: out of you 30, Hitler would've spared only you 2, the other 28 would've been killed"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nCrazy shit, is she mentally ill?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nWhy?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>She said: out of you 30, Hitler would've spared only you 2, the other 28 would've been killed\nOnly insane person could believe in this shit and shame kids on their appearance"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nWhhich kids did she shame?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\n>gets made into an idiot\n>h-heh you got trolololo'd!!!!!"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>76\nlmao didn't work in google translate eh oleg?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nord-Trondelag\n>Not 100% white"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>81\nBlond kids"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>77\nBut Hitler was a black haired Alpinid. Did he plan to exterminate himself?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nNo she didn't"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nMy teacher did the same thing and there were about 4 of those kids, but it was pretty clear to me even as a young child, that those kids were pretty proud of that; and I would be too if I were so chosen, they can't even shame white people very well."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\nHe did it actually"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nThen the allies must have helped him all along if that was his plan! Sheesh everyone was in on it with him!"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>10\nwhere do you retards come up with this shit? 99.9% of english lads I see in my part of the country (southeast) are tall, slim, blue-eyed and blonde/brown-haired, including myself"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>83\n>oleg\nNot even close"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho cares if you're white. That's something only the colonial mutts care about. All that matters is how Nordic you are."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\n>Nordic\ndefine"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>37\nhigh test"}, {"id": 96, "content": "You can tell the level of IQ on this board because they think simply labelling something \"white\" makes it desirable. Why would a pale Spaniard or a French want to be scandinavian? What are their achievements?"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am not white at all (greek)\ndont insult my culture please"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\n>pale Spaniard\nNonsense"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>37\nBetter question: Why do slavs and anglos share this ugly chav-like phenotype, but slav women look 10x better than anglo women?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nHigh test"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">Scandichinks\n>White"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>2\nChinggis Khan had blue eyes and blonde hair ehhh ergo Finland is white"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>14\n>norwegians\n>white\nThen people with down syndrome must be honorary aryans. Nobody who's been to Norway thinks they are white."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>53\nI am karelian in Sweden doing the same thing. Guess it cancels out."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>94\nHypeeborean, from the north-pole"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>94\nBlond hair, blue eyes, white skin, european face."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nDark haired BVLLS are superior"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>98\nWhy would a white French person want to be \"white\" as defined by that graph? What's the point of it? Whom does it benefit?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nBecause being white = being beautiful."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nFrench Spanish and Italians are known for being beautiful. Brits definitely aren't, and nor are German, but they're \"whiter\" than the prior listed nationalities.\nAre Scandinavians known for being beautiful? I don't think so, I don't think they're known for anything apart from vikings and Ikea."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nSpaniards and italians are known for looking like nafris. Who are ugly.\nThe meme that they are beautiful is just virtue signalling sourced on 60's soap operas. People cant tell them appart from groups disregarded as extremely ugly such as arabs, nafris, or turks.\nAnd yes. Through all the world scandinavians are regarded as the most beautiful people"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>108\nSimply. Because it associates them with british and germans. The most achieved peoples.\nIberians have no achievements other than corruption, spic shitholes and ignorance. Who would want to be associated with albanians, sicilians, iberians, portuguese or nafris rather than anglos, dutch, scandinavians, scotts, geemans, belgians, etc?\nNaturally briwns would try to cling on someone. But they are definitely not white."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\nI've been to France and Spain and I can confirm that they do not look like arabs at all. Many were quite white and could pass as Scandinavians. You suffer from terminal /his/ mental illness.\n>Through all the world scandinavians are regarded as the most beautiful people\nI've never heard of that ever, maybe it's popular in brown places because they usually have light coloured features. No one cares about them because they're cultureless. More people are interested in places like Mexico and Vietnam."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>11\nI think this was supposed to be a joke by Ben Franklin. To be fair it's a very funny joke."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nSpanish people are very well liked where I live and so is their culture. Lots of people learn Spanish and like travelling there. Are you american? I think your perception could be altered by Mexicans."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>113\nWhy do you keep insisting on grouping spain with someone that is not part of their nafri mulatto species?\nSpain is associated with mexicans, but not with the cool parts about mexicans, spain is a irrelevant place whose only achievements were creating favella dumpsters.\nScandinavians are desired from japan to india and from africa to peru, all of the world deems them the most beautiful peoples.\nIberians are just associated eith nafris, arabs and other goatfuckers.\nThey don't look any different. In fact, theres been cases of turks lynching spanish reporters because they mistook them for arabs.\nThey look identical to all people associated with stupidity, religious fanatism, inbreeding and ignorance.\nAnd definitely not white"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nIdk but he's right. Here in thailand no one knows about spain other than pinoys, and no one cares positively about them. But everyone adores white blonde people of tge germanic type"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're just white or you're not. If it's just some meaningless, abstract spectrum then there are no whites."}, {"id": 119, "content": "Why do these brown apes insist they dont look like nafris and arabs lol"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>116\nI'm not aware of grouping them, but I would since they're next to each other and have similar cultures and people. Spain is as associated with Mexicans as UK is with South Africa. When people think of Spain the may think of traditional Mexican clothing but that's it.\n>all of the world deems them the most beautiful peoples.\nThose people aren't European, and this fits my theory that they're only liked for what colour they usually are.\n\nI don't know what a nafri even is."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>117\nBecause it's an exotic feature. A bit like how white people like trophy asian wives (not tlaking about betas going after them). I'm talking about European perceptions.\n\n>>119\nWhat country are you from?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\n>I'm not aware of grouping them\nYou do by bringing them together and building a fake premise\n>Spain is as associated with Mexicans as UK is with South Africa.\nAnglos are associated with white south africans. Yes. Spain with just mexican nrown goblins. People in america cant tell spain appart from your average mexican. Nor europeans can tell them appart from nafris and turks.\n>Those people aren't European\n90% of the world, what better opinions unbiased than that? Many europeans say they deem black fat women as the most beautiful people, is juat western virtue signalling pulled by the media status quo.\nNo one thinks black fat women are the epitome of beauty\nIrl no one likes them\n\nA nafri is a north african."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>121\nAustralian"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\n>Because it's an exotic feature\nAnd how does it make it less true?\n>I'm talking about European perceptions.\nWhat perception? Are you aware that in real life obese black women are not desired and not deemed likeable even if many people will say they are cute? Its just virtue signalling.\nJust like irl no one in the netherlands, england or poland can tell spaniards appart from pakistanis, who are deemed extremely disgusting while there is no social preconception about them."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\nI don't know what the fake premise was and if it were there it wasn't intentional. I'm just having a discussion but you're treating this like a serious debate. I don't really know what associate means, I don't understand why knowing that Spain once went over there is a bad thing for the country. Spanish is one of the most learned languages where I live and lots of people travel there.\n>90% of the world, what better opinions unbiased than that?\nI have never watched an anime that features heavy influence from Scandinavia, has Pokemon ever been there? If they do care it seems more like an interest in their exoticness."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>124\nBecause white people will fetishize token black people and asians. I don't know why you're so caught up in this thing about fat black women."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nNot a clue, spanish is widespread over a continent. Is not surprised the langiage is learned. But i never knew anyone that knew more spanish than 4 words to say \"hello red black and bye\" they learnt on duolingo for their vacation trip to Mexico.\nSpain is associated with favellas and arabs. And most realistically no one can tell them from people traditionally deemed ugly. The whole stereotype they arent is just a virtue signalling naming convention.\nBrown goblino: pakistan = bad\nBrown goblino: spain = okay\n>I have never watched an anime that features heavy influence from Scandinavia\nI hhave never seen a anime that didnt featured blond and blue eyed people.\nAnd many do feature stuff like vikings and whatnot.\nSaw vinland saga?\nExoticness in this context is not very different from beauty"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nYes. Because is socially conditioned virtue signalling. No one irl has a fetish for obese shaniquas as much as they will tell you otherwise to be deemed socially conscious or non-racist"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nThey learn it because of the interest in the Spanish country\n>Spain is associated with favellas and arabs.\nYou have used /his/ too much. I could ask 100 people right now and they wouldn't know what an Umayyad is. If you ever get the chance you should go to Spain, Europe and see how the people look for yourself. Outside of the desert parts it's a nice country. I'm really not trying to sound patronising I just think you have a really weird perception and should see how it is for yourself.\nA lot of anime also have blue hair and red hair and purple hair are in a lot of anime. They do blond a lot because it actually exists.\n>Saw vinland saga?\nNo, but I completely forgot that exists, sorry.\n\n>>128\nA lot of men definitely have an interest in asians"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\n>They learn it because of the interest in the Spanish country\nNot really. You forget the fact that there is 24 spanish speaking countries and they are all tropical and full of beaches and touristic hotspots.\n>You have used /his/ too much\nMy opinion is not based on /his/ lol. I'm australian as i told you. Traditionally. No one considers Wogs to be white and no one considers them to be different from traditional middle easterners. the difference is visual and evident. They don't look like us, in europe is not very different. I have many dutch and german acquaintances and they seem to regard iberians as \"acceptable\" non-whites even if not directly expressed. They cannot tell them apart from MENAs traditionally deemed ugly.\nSpain fills the same place as shaniqua in whote society. Only that they came before.\n>A lot of men definitely have an interest in asians\nOnly weirdos dating down do. As much as people claims shaniqua is valid and beautifuel everyone avoids her"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>shaniqua\nImagine the smell"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>9\n>>11\nThese. Swedes become dark orange during summer and its almost as off putting as the dark brown that Iberians become"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>130\nTrust me it's because of Spain, it's one of the most visited countries in Europe for a reason. I don't know what it's like in Australia but no one in Europe would dispute the whiteness of Spanish apart from people on the internet."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nWhere are you from?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\n>Trust me it's because of Spain, it's one of the most visited countries in Europe for a reason\nBecause its cheap and everyone goes for the beaches? I have been in spain myself. Half of europe has repulsive beaches without sun. Windy. No sand and grim black water.\nBesides 5 duolingo words to speak with the hotel staff no one speaks or cares about hispanic culture. No one regards them as anything much above nafris. The most visited places of spain are so crumbled with tourists they are maybe 20% spanish. I know this because i've been to ibiza in summer."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\nI don't know from what country are you. But no one here on germany considers spain or any other sudlander groups proper \"white\".\nWe only consider people from Switzerland upwards white properly, some slavs associated with austria too\nIE: hungary, austrians, germans, dutch, belgians, north french, english, welsh, scottish, irish, danes, swedes, norwegians, poles, finns, balts, etc.\n\nThats \"white\" for the average european\nIf you actually believe anyone thinks spain is \"white\" in the same sense the previously mentioned group is you are delusional."}, {"id": 137, "content": "White = European, West Asian and North African.\n\nThat's what it means in New World countries (USA, Argentina, etc) and that's how Asians and Blacks see Europeans, West Asians and North Africans (same race)."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nWhite = European only\nYou're not white you nafri abomination"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>136\nYou're not German"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite = European\n>>3\nYes\n>>6\nThey're 75% European genetically, what else would they be?\n>>106\nMost Nordics don't have blond hair.\n>>107\nThey are by far the majority. Only around 5% of adult Europeans are blond."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>138\n>White = European only"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>141\nWhiter than italians"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nOnly the blond woman in white.\n>>142\nNo."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>134\nUK\n\n>>135\nEvery southern slavic country and Portugal are cheap\n>No one regards them as anything much above nafris.\nNo one knows anything about the Islamic conquest of Spain. This is all made up in your mind.\n\n>>136\n> But no one here on germany considers spain or any other sudlander groups proper \"white\".\nSo Spanish are considered people of colour in Germany? You're obviously lying here. You're not German."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\n>UK\ntake a pic of your hand"}, {"id": 146, "content": "no one has refuted this image"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\nNo."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>18\nInterracial marriage wasn't even legal in many states until the late 1960s. And before that, racial classification was determined by the one-drop rule. If you had one drop of non-white blood, you weren't white. So between America being 90% white up until 1960, and interracial marriage being heavily frowned upon when not outright illegal, the non-white admixture of white americans is extremely negligible. The only mutted race are blacks, who on average have between 10-20% white ancestry, with many also having some sort of native ancestry."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurks are white"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>102\n>Chingis khaan tsenkher nüdtei, shargal üstei baisan. Ergo Finland tsagaan öngötei"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>148\nWhy did so many white americans claim to have native ancestry before the 60s?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>149\nyes"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>147\nI think you are a paki larping as white"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nYour immediate deflection makes it seem like you're the one pretending to be white"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>140\n>Most Nordics don't have blond hair.\nIf you were white you would know that blond hair turns light brown when you get older."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\n>No, you\nOk, Abdullah"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\n>blond hair turns light brown when you get older.\nI know. Most are born blond, but a minority keeps it into adulthood. No one in Scandinavia considers light brown hair blond.\nt. blond scandi"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>10\n>>96\n>>108\n>>110\nThe French are not Swarthy"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>156\n>>No, you\nBut that's exactly what you did when accused of not being german"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nYes"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>117\nWhite blond people are really popular in Asia in general, hell they seem very sought after pretty much the world over"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>150\n>>102\n/his/=subhuman degenerate faggotry circus, even wiki 2019 solos your nigger (logic). Shame, visiting you forevercucks was a waste of time"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRemove Scandinavia and everything east of the Elbe and south of the English channel immediately. This is completely unacceptable."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>144\nmate you must be a paki, no one in the traditional anglosphere considers wogs to be proper whites"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\nthis, it's obvious he is a larper, no anglo really considers dagos and other wops white-white, everyone knows they are concession-type in the sense we accept them as long as they are harmless.\nbut no one does thinks they are white like us, the differences in facial morphology, color, behaviour, achievements and ethnocultural codes is clear as day.\neveryone stills see them as \"the others\" contrasted to real white people. this distinction is not a thing when you put white-anglos vs poles or russians, because there the difference seems just cultural/superficial, those who claim we don't consider them white are lying becasue in reality everyone does consider them white-white"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>19\n>Anglos look like turks.\nlmao. Don't talk shit.\n\n>>20\n>And no offence to Scots or Irish you are not anglos.\nScots ARE Anglos.\nLiterally descendants of the Anglo-Saxons just like the English."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>162\nIts a joke retard, not an argument. Get a grip on your tism"}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\nI'm actually stunned at how ridiculous this sounds. No mate of mine would ever consider a Polish or Russian \"white-white\", and would sooner understand a Spaniard or Italian to be white, as long as they weren't a straight ARAB in appearance. and anyone who disagrees is being either disingenuous or is in fact larping as an Englishman."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>166\n>Literally descendants of the Anglo-Saxons just like the English.\nAnglo Saxons never lived there in great number."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>169\nThe most populous part of Scotland was part of the heptarchy though, not too sure about the specifics of settlement but nothing suggests to me that the genetic shift would be smaller in northumbria (bernicia) than it would be in say east anglia or wessex. I could be wrong and should probably know more being from yorkshire."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>168\nThey are Russian... I don't know if they are paid shills or real delusional autists but they are coming here from the vatnigger Russian chan.\n\nIt's sad, imagine being some Tatar-admixed mutt and trying to dab on real Europeans to feed your delusions."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"White\" is a bullshit concept that was invented in America and has no relevance to Europe, how long will it take you fucking retards to understand that?"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is exactly the kind of thread and post a jew would make\nreally makes you think"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do white people (assuming most of you are even white lol) care so much about race? I know this isn't just an American thing either, so many of you mongrel Canadians, Australians, and neckbearded Swedes care, and it's getting pathetic. None of you are your race's full potential, otherwise you'd be getting easy Asian pussy right now."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>169\n>Anglo Saxons never lived there in great number.\nDoesn't matter how many there were. They were definitely there and they had a big impact on Scotland. Scotland speaks English in large part because of them"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>46\nMediterranean bulls are retaking Europe from mayocels."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>171\n>They are Russian\nWho is russian?"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>175\nno, Scotland speaks English because of the Statutes of Iona where the English taught Scottish Children English, Scots are the product of English speaking Celts."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>only historylet swedecucks are fully white\nWow. Being white sounds gay and retarded."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>99\nthey're men"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>178\n>no, Scotland speaks English because of the Statutes of Iona where the English taught Scottish Children English, Scots are the product of English speaking Celts.\nCope.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthwell_Cross\n>The Ruthwell Cross is a stone Anglo-Saxon cross probably dating from the 8th century, when the village of Ruthwell, now in Scotland, was part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria.\n>It is the most famous and elaborate Anglo-Saxon monumental sculpture, and possibly contains the oldest surviving text, predating any manuscripts containing Old English poetry."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>176\ndrink bleach."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>177\nThe \"English\" people saying \"I embrace my white slavic brothers\" no one with 4 grandparents from the British Isles would ever say anything as ridiculous as that. You're not white, oleg."}, {"id": 184, "content": "Sorry slavs."}, {"id": 185, "content": "Distance to: Corded_Ware_CHE\n0.03608397 Swedish\n0.03673765 Norwegian\n0.03827190 Danish\n0.03891031 Icelandic\n0.04125616 German_Hamburg\n0.04168099 Irish\n0.04200396 Orcadian\n0.04216366 Dutch\n0.04255917 Scottish\n0.04266771 Shetlandic\n0.04530496 Afrikaner\n0.04576048 Welsh\n0.04641875 English\n0.04681179 German\n0.04909386 German_Erlangen\n0.04949791 French_Brittany\n0.05009580 English_Cornwall\n0.05016025 Czech\n0.05032077 German_East\n0.05244215 Slovakian\n0.05338605 Austrian\n0.05537901 Hungarian\n0.05596868 BelgianA\n0.05712897 French_Seine-Maritime\n0.05743356 Moldovan_o\n\n\nDistance to: Bell_Beaker_CZE_early\n0.04646212 Swedish\n0.04772139 Icelandic\n0.04809068 Norwegian\n0.04982614 Danish\n0.05115391 Irish\n0.05128783 Orcadian\n0.05252523 Scottish\n0.05260541 Shetlandic\n0.05354974 German_Hamburg\n0.05548940 Dutch\n0.05750409 English\n0.05821917 Welsh\n0.05979324 German_East\n0.06018377 Afrikaner\n0.06103270 English_Cornwall\n0.06158186 German\n0.06258190 Czech\n0.06264126 French_Brittany\n0.06357799 German_Erlangen\n0.06373814 Finnish_Southwest\n0.06671655 Finnish_Central\n0.06722446 Polish\n0.06754087 Finnish_Southeast\n0.06763801 Slovakian\n0.06775544 BelgianA"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Sweden\n>White"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">the Lakotan word for \"horse\" (šuŋkawakaŋ) literally means \"holy/mystery/wonder dog\".["}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had a pretty nice thing going."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Horses are pretty cute so I guess they're like dogs\nI wonder what they thought of other old world animals like elephants, orangutans, and donkeys"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "A cause that claims to be fighting for liberty will always be more appealing to a common man than one that openly calls for totalitarianism, slavery and genocide."}, {"id": 2, "content": "true enough. Problem is, genocidal totalitarians often paint what they’re doing as a necessity for their interpretation of freedom."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how come jesus quotes the book of enoch and it still isnt considered part of the canon?\n\n>22:5 Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the spirits of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing.\n>22:6 Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches [to heaven], and accuses?\n>22:7 He answered, saying, This is the spirit of Abel who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth;\n>22:8 Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race\n\n(he quotes it many times)"}, {"id": 2, "content": "he was quoting Jude"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would they have to say about the current state of America?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">reddit: the army"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm just so proud I could fight Hitler so my granddaughter can cut her penis off and become a racial minority in her own country"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Thank God this terrible war is over. Time to go back with my kids to tell th- ACK"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>friendly and active member of the Detroit community"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anyone else feel some amount of pity for the Boxers when you find out the shit they believed was happening?\nThey were basically just useful idiots exploited by Empress Dowager."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>had to specify \"children\"\nfucking lol"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nEating Chinese children is more immoral than eating Chinese adults. It's a noteworthy detail."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nEating any person in general should be equally wrong."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNah, eating children is worse than eating adults.\nDo I need to explain to you why killing kids is widely considered to be worse than killing adults, too?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks like whitoids are everything they accuse Kikes of. This literally blood libel shit."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/robert-b-edgerton/warriors-of-the-rising-sun/\nDoes this book seriously argue that 'racist American immigration policies' are responsible for turning honorable bushido samurai who never hurt a fly into gangster rape monsters. Is that the actual argument or is this misrepresented?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe boxers were right. Total Christcuk death"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nKilling kids and killing adults is wrong. There is a reason murder is just an all encompassing term rather than distinctions between murder vs child murder"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>christians used body parts for medicinal supplements\n>concluded religious ceremonies with orgies\nthat's literally taoism though\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicines_derived_from_the_human_body\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices\ni've never seen a more clear cut case of projection in all my life"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. Kill all abrahamics in Asia."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nWe always win. We're the main characters in the story. Deal with it. I don't why you keep beating your head in the wall. What do you get out of it?\nChina itself will be and is already blessed with a strong church. It will influence the whole continent in the coming years."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is masturbation sinful? Not to porn just to your mind. It eliviates tension."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Lust"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Not to porn just to your mind\nNow don't get me wrong, I'm no aphant, I have a pretty vivid imagination, but is that even possible?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNPC detected."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIt extinguishes lust though."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nDo imagionlets really?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt's an act of lust. Why would porn or no porn make a difference?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThat's not the goal. Christians are clearly pro-edging."}, {"id": 9, "content": "If you can do it without thinking of or looking at anything sexual, then I don't believe it is inherently sinful. But not thinking of anything of that nature is difficult. Best just to not do it at all."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLustful acts outside the context of potentially sexually productive sex within marriage are sinful in Christian doctrine (presumably Jewish and Islamic doctrine as well). This is because those religions promote having as many kids as you can so that your group can dominate."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAddictive."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’re indulging in unclean lustful acts according to the Bible since it’s typically involves you fantasizing about a woman who you aren’t married to."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>>7\n>>9\n>>10\n>>12\nIf I didn't jack off regularly, I'd be walking around with a constant erection and only sex on my mind. Speaking from experience of course.\nHow is not masturbating even feasible as a way of avoiding lust? If anything, it makes me much more lusty.\n>inb4 teenager\nI'm 27."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIf you can do it without thinking lustful thoughts, go for it. But if not, through a lot of prayer and effort you can stop, and your body will adjust pretty quickly."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nSounds like you're just low t desu. Last time I went a month without masturbating, I was hard all the time and felt like I was edging 24/7 without even touching my cock. Never would've made it if I didn't work from home, I had a hard enough time constantly draining blood from my crotch by clenching various muscles while out and about."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nfapper here it only extinguishes lust temporarily desu it leaves you wanting to do it more the more you do it. most of us here have probably beaten our shit raw and even fapped in public places in our younger years."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot masturbating causes swollen prostates, there's a reason its sometimes an involuntary urge, its not healthy to supress it"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nI could pull my dick out of my pants and cum in like 30 seconds right now with no porn"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nbased"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>8\nSo all that femdom nun chastity edging hentai I like is theologically sound?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTemptations are always bad. I’m living proof of all of it."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>it only extinguishes lust temporarily\nIt's still better than having lust 24/7 by not doing it every once in a while."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nYou only feel lust so strongly because you feed it so much"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>13\nFind a wife and fuck her, retard. The point of banning masturbation is to make people want to get married and have kids."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>12\nWhat's wrong with that?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why is lusting after worldly things of the flesh, which when left unfettered 100% of the time leads to worsening and elevating sexual desires, which provides the body and soul nothing but selfish fulfillment, bad?\nA real head scratcher"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nAm I supposed to walk around with a massive hard-on thinking about sex 24/7 until I find a wife? Are you retarded?"}, {"id": 28, "content": "How about fucking sexdolls?\nIs that okay with you guys?\nI mean at least it makes you more athletic than just using your hands to fap."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Masturbation is a sin because it is a sexual act outside of marriage, which is what \"sexual immorality\" is. Lust is a desire for a sexual act outside of marriage.\n\n>Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.\n1 Corinthians 6:18"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nBut it doesn't lead to worsening?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nAre you being serious?\nWhen I was 14 I just had to think about the sliver of cleavage my Spanish teacher had, and after some long and not always God fearing years, I couldn't finish unless it was some schoolgirl being chained up and forceably impregnated\nIt absolutely gets worse. Just look at the pictures in Playboys from the 70s vs today"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nJust jack off without using porn, moron. Problem solved."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nThat is sans porn.\nDo you truly mean to suggest you think the average man can masturbate his entire life to only the idea of a generic faceless breast?\nCmon"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>the idea of a generic faceless breast?\nThat's still lust."}, {"id": 35, "content": "No fap is such an idiotic take. The entire philosophy behind it was invented way before anyone knew anything about human biology, so it makes sense that it's retarded and doesn't align with how things actually work.\n\n>if you don't fap, your body will fap for you in the form of wet dreams\n>if you don't fap regularly, your prostate is objectively less healthy than the prostate of someone who faps\n>it's not realistic for the majority of people to just \"find a wife and start having kids\"\n>failing to find a pure virgin waifu or relieve sexual tension leads to bitter, stressed out inceldom"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nYeah, that's my point. It's an unhealthy lust of the flesh.\nWhich is why it's bad.\nWhat do you disagree with?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nLmao that's like saying the average man can't go his entire life having sex with his wife without eventually having her peg him with a beer bottle at an exhibition of modern art.\nFor me it's sweaty women in flowing dresses who respond to light teasing touches in kind, escalating into rather vanilla sex. Both in my imagination and irl."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nHow old are you? Because you don't sound like you've been engaging in sez with women for 30 years.\nIt's CRAZY common for people in their 30-40s have to step up their married sex life. It's why infidelity is highest at that stage, because sex within the marriage is unfufilling.\nI've plowed my wife thousands of times. Like, high thousands. When we started at 19, yeah, it was always unique and fun. Now, only 12 years later, there's plenty we've done to excite ourselves. There's no beer bottle up my ass though.\nIs this really surprise for you? That sexual needs evolve and develop?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is not actually a sin, even in Leviticus there is no mention of masturbation. The only arguable moment God condemns masturbation is when Onan pulls out and spills his seed on the floor, which is not actually a case of masturbation, and why exactly Onan was condemned is not explicitly stated, furthermore this was also pre-Mosaic where the sexual laws were different."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nIt's a mortal sin in Catholicism, every time before I want to participate in communion I have to go to confession because of masturbation."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nlol what does the priest think about you constantly whacking off?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nI go to a different priest each time. I live in a Catholic nation in central-east Europe so I have many parishes near."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\nI don't disagree."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nYeah we are talking about Christianity here not Papist bullshit."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>13\nYou'll get over it in two weeks"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt isn't. Nowhere in the Bible is masturbation condemned. Jesus says that his burden is light and his yoke is easy. People turn many things into sins that are not sins, which is of the devil because this makes Jesus's burden to be heavy.\n\nThis also touches on another issue that is widely misunderstood. Jesus is going through the list of the ten commandments. And when he gets to adultery he says that you cannot look at a woman with lust or else you commit adultery of the heart. So he specifically talking about married women. Or if you are married or self. That lusting outside of a marriage or at somebody's wife is adultery of the heart. He's not talking about two single people lusting after each other. The Bible is also silent on that matter.\n\nWhether these things are healthy or not is up for debate, but they are not sinful. Both can be used for unhealthy purposes and also lead to sin. But they are not of themselves sinful. And can be used in healthy ways."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nI come at this from a Catholic perspective, where masturbation is a mortal sin. What denomination are you if I might ask?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nI'd give you the same answer that Justin Marty would. A Christian. Not non-denominational Christian, as that is some kind of a division as well. My theology reflects what they believed. There's no difference between my theology and the original church. I was born and raised to Catholic. I am a baptized Catholic. But I adhere to the teachings of the first second and third century church fathers."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont know if masturbation in private is a sin.\nIts written, sinful nature and the spirit stand against eachother."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>Jesus says that his burden is light and his yoke is easy.\nYou must not be under the grace of God then, or you'd know how easy it is to abstain from masturbation when you are given the Royal Liberty:\n>So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.\nJohn 8:36\n\nYou continue to sin against your body and against God without repentance. The word of God warns you:\n>Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.\n1 Corinthians 6:18\n\n>>47\nAnd you won't be forgiven if you believe that you can be made righteous by asking your priest for forgiveness – not that it is wrong to confess to a priest, but because you are continuing to live in unrepentant sin.\n\nI don't speak to YOU specifically, but instead am trying to communicate the concept of repentance, and that we cannot afford to continue living in willful sin.\n\n>26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.\nHebrews 10:26-27"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nYou haven't proposed a citation where masturbation is declared sinful. You're simply inserting that. You are not the word of God. Plenty of sins against one's own body are declared in the Bible like incest, beastiality or adultery, etc. Not masturbation. You are just inserting that.\n\nOne of the many principles Lutherans and Calvinists perpetuate is the idea that there are so many things that are sins that it's unavoidable. This is because both the theologies teach you that it's okay to sin every day. With this idea, that virtually everything you do is sinful in some way, the Calvinist or Lutheran is able to excuse actual sins - and say it's just their sinful nature. That it's not possible to stop sinning, because look at all these things that are sins.\n\nIt's a big problem. But no, masturbation is not illustrated as a sin in the Bible. That's completely made up."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>You must not be under the grace of God then, or you'd know how easy it is to abstain from masturbation when you are given the Royal Liberty:\nAlso, there is a contradiction in your theology here. One of many. You suggest that being under grace makes it easy to stop sinning. That you yourself say that is impossible to do. Which is it? If you can't stop sinning, are you not under grace?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nNo excuses.\n\n>>52\nWhat does Hebrews 10:26 say? Is it not clear?\n\n>26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.\nHebrews 10:26-27\n\nWhat about 1 Corinthians 10:13?\n>No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.\n1 Corinthians 10:13\n\nDoes this say that we will be totally freed from sin? No. Does it say that we should turn from sin, and should resist it with all our strength? Yes. You are not repenting if you continue to sin and make excuses for it."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>Does this say that we will be totally freed from sin? No.\nIt absolutely does. You just stated that there is no temptation that will occur where you will be unable to stop it from turning to a sin. You just quoted that. There is no instance where God hasn't given you the tools to stop sinning. Such a situation does not exist if you are under grace. In fact you just told me that I am not under grace if I find it too difficult to stop masturbating.\n\nI can tell you are a Calvinist, because you are attempting to have things both ways and pretend there is no contradiction in your theology."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n1 Corinthians 10:13 is stating that there is no excuse for your continuing sin. So stop making excuses for masturbation, or any other sin you're continuing to commit without remorse."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nYou are not the word of God. You have yet to illustrate where we are commanded to not masturbate. We are commanded against beastiality, incest, adultery, fornication. These things are all listed out. The Bible is silent on masturbation. That is just you inserting it. You are not God, stop making yourself out to be Him."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>48\nSo you do believe in the real presence, correct?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nAbsolutely. Yes we even have the original prayer used by the early church from Ireneaus' transcription. There's so much valuable information in those early writings."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nNTA but masturbation (not porn usage) can be beneficial for prostate health, so there is a contradiction here. Either you masturbate and extinguish lustful thoughts or risk prostate issues."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nWhat's your views on intercession of the Saints? Seems like the early papers don't explicitly mention it however there does seem to be reverence mentioned to Saints, so it would likely be a normal thing."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nThis is the thing. Masturbation can be used to get rid of lust. It can also be abused and lead to many physical and spiritual problems. It's kind of like food in a sense. The Bible even touches on this. While gluteny is not a sin, the Bible gives us good life advice on that. We should avoid eating too much. You should probably avoid masturbating too much if it is causing us to sin. This is likely why the Bible is silent on the matter. Each of us can receive personal convictions from God, and this can be one of them. But, masturbation in and of itself is not a sin, and can be even used for chastity purposes. But in other ways it can be abused. Discernment is useful here.\n\nBut those broad stroking it as sinful altogether are inserting their own ideas. And they are diminishing Jesus's message -- setting up his burden as more cumbersome than it is. This can lead to people throwing their hands up in the air and dropping Christianity altogether. It is very dangerous stuff to declare things sinful that are not sinful. The devil loves that."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\n>What's your views on intercession of the Saints? Seems like the early papers don't explicitly mention it however there does seem to be reverence mentioned to Saints, so it would likely be a normal thing.\nThat's one issue where we would probably depart. Yes the early church was very adamant that we should always be looking to the heavens for our prayers and not to any kind of iconography here on earth, even as a catalyst for that prayer.\n\nThey would tell you that the saints are all in Abraham's Bosom -- the paradise in Shoel, awaiting to be risen up with everybody else for judgment day. This is also where Jesus took the thief during the three days to preach. Whether they believed it was divination to pray to them or not is unclear, but there's no mention of the practice. While arguments can be made that it's isn't something we should do, since it is not necessarily declared sinful, and I think the argument of divination is a little weak, I'm not sure it would be something that one is held accountable over. And it may even be beneficial. It's not something that I partake in, but I would not condemn a brother for going about things differently in that area.\n\nSorry for over answering this. I just think it's an interesting topic."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>33\n>he doesn't have fantasies of living his life out with women he made up in his imagination\nngmi"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>unknown\nA whole month? Oh no, you poor baby"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Not to porn just to your mind. It eliviates tension.\nLuciferian OP. Do as thou wilt!\nNo, you can't have this mentality as a christian. God said no. NO means NO. And if you doing it, you aren't saved, because salvation means you sin no more.\nThat's right, I just told you off bro, I HAVE NO SIN because I am saved and I don't do this shit. As a sinner, I hide my self when I sin. THIS MEANS ME > YOU FAGGOT."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell, in the Abrahamic religions, it's because you're supposed to be having sex with your wife/husband instead of fapping."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>12\n>unclean\nI wash my pp though"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nActually, Paul says that you should only get married if you can't get your lust under control. That it's better to be unmarried so you have more time with God. One way of controlling lust could be masturbation."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nNow as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>>69\nBut if all were chaste like Paul then we wouldn't be fruitful and multiply.This is what bothers me about that passage so much."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>29\nSexual immorality seems vague. I've been unable to find a decent explanation for any real, tangible reason for non-harmful sexual acts. In Buddha's worldview it kinda makes sense but feels totally arbitrary otherwise."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nWhere does it say that? OT right?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>17\nyeah you build up sperm that have to be disposed of periodically through either intercourse or masturbation. that's for men of course; women don't really have a physiological need to masturbate."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nYeah but in all Christian churches there is a focus on having a family."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>12\nI know this is pharisee tier but what if you imagine a man instead? the bible only forbids laying with men not thinking about them while giving the ol' monkey a spankin'"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>70\nWell, technically, God's command to go forth and multiply was in regard to taking dominion over the Earth. By the time of Jesus, that had already occurred and is superseded by marriage only being suitable for certain people. Just my explanation. Maybe it's wrong."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>56\n>>59\n>>71\nStop making excuses for sexual immorality"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nStop inserting your own ideas into the Bible and claiming them as God's."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSex is one of those \"damned if you do, damned if you don't\" situations."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nSex is good when it is between husband and wife."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n*for the sole purpose of procreation"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThat's not the biblical standard."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>39\n>it's not in the bible because I didn't read the part in the bible where God talks about accidents in the camp where they throw you outside until you get clean for so many days\nIf you are being thrown out for any reason for uncleanliness it is because the Bible told you it is a sin."}, {"id": 84, "content": "my sex drive is too much and i will probably have involuntary erections into old age\nconstantly horny, balls loaded at all times, nothing helps\nif god didn't want me to be a coomer why did he make me like this"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nlol.\nTry to stop first, then try taking Chaste Berry supplements. You can also go see a conservative doctor and just choose whatever is the most conservative option they offer."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nThe problem is that when covid-19 and vaccines hit, the entire world started saying Oh my GOD they are Sterilizing the human population! So people started actively seeking out fertile inducing supplements not the other way around.\nIt's too hard for childs of God to try and reduce libido when the entire world is literally trying to fuck their wife to fight global satan."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is masturbation sinful?\nit's not, if you think about the holy cuckerino and repeat this prayer:\n>the stepfather\n>the stepson\n>the holy cuckerino\n>amen"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>3\nunironically read a fucking book lmafo\n>>19\nbased"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>16\n> beaten our shit raw\nwhat does he mean by this"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nFalling so much your balls hurt and your dick gets raw\nInb4 lube I don't like using it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "That means that I believe that Gaels are actually the creators of all civilizations around the world, as the ruling class they slowly became ethnically diluted and that's why there is no sign of them anywhere now.\n\nI believe this because around the world there are statues that vaguely look like they depict Gaelic people. Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Indians, Aztecs, Mayans, Chinese, Iranians, etc., were all Gaelic.\n\nSince the Irish are the purest Gaels, we are the superior race."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Unlike the Nordicope, there is actually a Celtic-Italic connection"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe connection as in Romans conquering Celts in Gaul and Iberia and using them as slaves."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo connection as in the proto-italo-celtic theory"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nnordics and italics still exist, unlike celts"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThe are about a thousand active posters who will tell you that all modern Italians are just Berbers from south Sudan"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nNords are mutted with Chink and Shitalians are mutted with Arab, while the Celto-Germanic peoples of the British isles are the purest European stock left. It sucks to suck"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood on you.\n\nTiocfaidh ar la!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExcruciatingly based"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nItalics were literally urnfielders lol"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou sound like a larping sperg"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nJust like a nordicist eh?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm a Gae\nWe know."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">guy comes into Gaelic thread screeching about Nordic people\n\nUnsubtle sentiments belong in your Holocaust threads."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI also drink too much"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIrish-ANE Connection\nANE founded all MesoAmerican civilizations\nseimaturbino brought chariots and civilization to China.\nANE mixed with Jomon and produced Japan via Jomon mixing with Yayoi\nANE R1b founded civilization in the Caucasus which in turn invaded Mesopotamia and established the first large scale city states.\nANE founded everything in Europe."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell you aren't wrong"}, {"id": 18, "content": "still doesn't make sense when people say 'celts' - 'gauls' dont exist..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is boxing dominated by irish and blacks?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Their brains/skulls are made specially to be good at boxing. Very unintelligent and predisposed to violence & savagery, but much less susceptible to being knocked out."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s not. Per capita Welsh Irish Scots and Puerto Ricans dominate."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUkrainians, Russians, and plenty of Hispanics do very well too."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is boxing dominated by\nRussians and Ukranians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat year is this, 1905?\n\n>>4\n>>3\nAlso don't forget the many Italian boxing legends."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>many Italian boxing legends\nItalian boxers? the only prominent \"Italians\" in fighting sports are Argentines of Italian descent"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nRocky Marciano and Jake LaMotta come to mind. In the U.S. there were a lot of Italian boxers when they were low caste immigrant proles from the social strata that produces people willing to get punched in the face for a paycheck. Italian Americans are too middle class now."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahya Muhammad & Isa Ali"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Why is boxing dominated by irish and blacks?\nJudeo-Christian-Muslims are \"The Greatest\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo work ethic"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>>/pol/\n>>>/xs/\n>>>/sp/"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nEh. I would say it was so far back they can't truly be considered legendary. Boxing back then was a moonlighting job, a lot of them were cab drivers for a living."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nblack ppl tend to have longer limbs for their height, which is an advantage when you're in a sport with weight classes. i don't have any evidence that irish also have this feature, but in my experience it's possibly true"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlack people are more athletic and Irish are a race of literal animals built like brick shithouses"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Mexico actually has produced the most Professional world champion boxers in the world"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">As the number of tall soldiers increased, the regiment earned its nickname \"Potsdam Giants\". The original required height was 6 Prussian feet (about 6 ft 2 in or 1.88 m),[1] well above average then and now. The king was about 1.60 m (5 ft 3 in) tall himself.[2] He tried to obtain them by any means, including recruiting them from the armies of other countries. The Emperor of Austria, Russian Tsar Peter the Great and even the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire sent him tall soldiers in order to encourage friendly relations. Several soldiers were given by Tsar Peter I as a gift in return for the famous Amber Room.[3] Pay was high, but not all giants were content, especially if they were forcibly recruited, and some attempted desertion or suicide.\n\n>Frederick tried to pair these men with tall women, in order to breed giants. In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin mentions this attempt as the only case of intentional human interbreeding: \"Nor have certain male and female individuals been intentionally picked out and matched, except in the well-known case of the Prussian grenadiers; and in this case man obeyed, as might have been expected, the law of methodical selection; for it is asserted that many tall men were reared in the villages inhabited by the grenadiers with their tall wives.\"[4]\n\nWas it autism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes because small soldiers are more effective at war."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nManlet cope"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nmidget cope.\n\nImagine a line of 6ft2 giants bayonette charging a bunch of 5ft2 manlets. Look up the height of olympic fencers and see why reach makes a big difference when stabbing people in the face."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe guys were showpiece. That were too precious to lose in a fight or to diarrhea at camp"}, {"id": 6, "content": "They should have done that before, proto-Nat Soc and repopulated the world with them and bleached Africa, Asia and South America"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nA slight difference in speed, and the manlet still has an advantage of being a small and more nimble target. And we use guns now so there's no advantage. Stop disputing the inferiority of lanklets."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nYour reach advantage is easily countered by giving the manlet army longer bayonets"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's the deal with Germans and being autistic retards?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Potsdam Giants\nTheir actual German nickname literally translates to \"long guys\". Always thought that's odd"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTbqh even before learning of this, i had thoughts as a lad of pairing strong and tall people together to create super soldiers, so yeah it’s autism since i’m autistic too"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing tiny would be an advantage in warfare based on line formations."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasically, yes\nOn the other hand, french and austrian kings spent ridiculous amounts of money on castles, festivities and clothing. Frederick was extremely sane and reasonable by their standards.\n>>9\nWas it with germans and making foreigners seethe?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nI’m not a manlet nigger. The best performing soldiers have all been manlets. Nobody is talking about how roasties they can pull. Stop thinking with your dick."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nYou call them autistic retards, I call them based autists."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased, I would have joined voluntarily."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nOk\n\nI just hit them with a few cannons worth of canister shot and my men are shooting them in the face as they try to bayonet charge me\n\nNapoleon proves that manlets are greater warriors. This is fact."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>A single manlet being a good general (not even a good soldier) is proof of anything\nUhuh\nBayonet charges frequently happened in that period (mind you, this was a century before napoleon) and larger men have the advantage in that. Napoleon himself selected large men to become his imperial guard and put them into key positions.\nI tend to believe that considering their smaller need for food and smaller target area, manlets still make the better army in a gunpowder age, but selecting men by size and using them differently makes a bit of sense."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine what the world we live in would look like if society accepted the necessity of eugenics. Both my grandfathers were 6ft 3 and above in old age but they decided to marry women who never passed 5ft 3. My 5ft 7 father gambled with a woman who was 5ft tall. I got fucking lucky by being just over 6ft but I can't say the same for my manlet brothers. I won't go anyone below 5ft 8 and aim for taller because it's fucking inconsiderate for any son I might have.\n>Is it autism?\nYh, maybe I'm on the spectrum too. I can't look at people now without analysing their genetic quality"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nImagine what the world would look like if degenerate 4chan users were culled from the gene pool immediately."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nIt's perfectly rational, you're doing your children a disfavor by reproducing with a womanlet."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nHonestly it would be a net benefit but like everyone I'm a selfish prick who's genes will try their best to go on replicating even if it's to the detriment of everyone else. That's the real struggle eugenicists will have. If its out in the open, people will breed as a status symbol. Having less kids will make people assume you were advised against it because you're not that great, people will have loads of kids because they'll believe others will see it as a sign they are creme de la creme. Regardless it's a fucking farce because everyone knows it's not the number of kids but their traits that we care about so you'll have boatloads of retards struggling with 7 little retards who will put more pressure on the society as a whole.\n>>21\nPerfectly rational but try explain judging someone by their genetic quality to a normie. I thought I was in a safe zone with a biology professor and he responded with a lengthy lecture about the dangers of such a worldview. The same guy who was talking about the heritability of mental disorder, personality traits, personal preferences, etc did a 180 and began nitpicking about muh environment. Sorry but you can preach about the efficacy of whatever teaching method you want but you can't teach an orangutan how to do open heart surgery, and all that talk about the role childhood nutrition plays in one's would look ridiculous if you honestly said that to a central African pygmy.\nPractise eugenics but never speak on it is probably the way we have to act as individuals. However I have noted that people do respond positively if one uses eugenics in jokes when propositioning women. \"Do you want to make D1 babies?\" will almost never be seen as a creepy nazi joke."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nSexual selection as eugenics is a big elephant in the room. People will be rabid advocates of every type of equality, equity, etc yet completely ignore the obvious. Women in particular are ruthless in this regard.\nNot that there's anything wrong with it, but it's interesting how society completely ignores this.\nMaybe I'm an autist too though."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>4\n>Imagine a line of 6ft2 giants bayonette charging a bunch of 5ft2 manlets.\nThey all die by a machine gun operated by some manlet?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\nBased. Only issue is that any daughters of yours might be tall, and apparently some women get insecure over not being short. It’s pretty retarded, NGL."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nIntelligent grandparents. If you weren't so stupid you'd be happy at your superior short genetics.\n\n>>20\n>degenerate 4chan users\nSo all the lanklets?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nNTA, but I hate how “eugenics” has become a dirty word. Not all eugenics involves forced sterilizations and murder, sexual selection for a partner with good genes is eugenics as well. I’m also a fucking autist though, so maybe I’m missing some detail."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIt's literally telling people that they're genetically inferior, why do you think it's so taboo?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\nEveryone is okay with something until they're not winning, then they become the biggest supporters of the ideals of equality. Women scream 6ft 6 figs and 6 inches but cry whenever someone mentions their weight as being a reason as to why a guy did or even could reject them, if they're fat. The same way manlets cry about height standards, guys with small dicks cry about unrealistic penis sizes and guys have thin wallets think every woman is a gold digger. It's the same reason black people are perfectly okay with making comments like they'd never date a pajeet but would chimp out if someone says he or she won't date a nigger. Everyone wants free shit when they're broke but the second they're in a good enough tax bracket they acknowledge there's no such thing as a free lunch.\n>TL; DR\nInferiors revolt in order that they may be equal, and equals that they may be superior\n>The weak are always anxious for justice and equality. The strong pay no heed to either\n- Aristotle\n>>25\nManlets and a few tall guys use it as an insult against them. I knew guys who cried because someone jokes that were tall back when I was 12 but they'd never feel insulted now as adults. Intraspecies competition plays a role too. Tiny women want tall genes and see tall women as competition so they'll try put their self esteem down a peg or two to give themselves a better chance. Never seen a happier woman than that 4ft 11 chick with a 6ft 6 bf back in school\n>he cheated on her with a 5ft 10 chick\n>she got the tall girl jumped\n>never blamed her bf\n>>26\nNah they're just guys who are had a woman chase them. Tall guys were a lot rarer back then and to no surprise both of my grandmothers were the ones who were madly in love and there's a few funny stories of how they got their husband to settle down lol."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nSome people do have pretty shitty genes though, at least in the context of our environment, biological niche, and society. For instance, my family has a long history of mental illness and addiction, with genetics being a likely factor. If genes are a factor for my family, then we have shit genes, and should not spread them."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>2\nThey arent.\n>>7\n>smaller target\nmen practice by shooting rabbit sized targets, being a manlet wont save you from volleying or marksmen.\nThere is either too much lead to \"dodge\" or whatever or its someone who trains to hit a small target negating your advantage.\nSmall people arent more nimble.\nyou only think this because small animals are nimble, but they are constructed particularly to be nimble, humans are uniform for the most part compared to say a wolf and rabbit.\n>>17\nnapoleon isnt a warrior and everything you listed would be just as effective against manlets."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nYou're probably autistic and rational and wouldn't take offence to it though. Most people would get very offended at anything like that.\n\n>>31\n>They practice on very small targets therefore smaller targets have no difference to bigger targets\nNice logic\n>Small people arent more nimble.\nThat is untrue, they can shuffle easier and have a less likely chance of losing balance."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\n>>28\nThere's negative eugenics which is the \"bad\" part of eugenics that involved snipping someone's balls and opening up abortion clinics next to the ghetto part of town but also positive eugenics which is just selective pro natalism. As long as people with good genes are outbreeding those with bad genes, it's a net positive. Honestly in the west that doesn't even require much effort. The only issue is the true purpose for any of these policies coming out. You could get away with it with tax breaks for families that disproportionately incentivise middle/upper income families but any tax break for the rich is going to make poor people cry. As long as its framed right with enough nonsense padding the bill it could work.\nThe real issue isn't the wording of the bill, it's finding someone in office who will actually write it. They'd rather fuck kids on an island than risk association with anything that smells like nazi.\nThere's this silicon valley couple who are promoting it but they're a bit heavy on the space futurism shit so they sound like wackjobs.\n>>30\nThe only really bad trait that passed onto some of my siblings is the temperament issues on my dad's side\n>my uncle really stabbed my other uncle because muh respect\nI didn't get that but I'm pretty sure I'm still a borderline physcopath considering I watched someone bleed to death and continued to eat a burger without realising how fucked up it was until a week later. Regardless of what it is I will never voluntarily get tested because there's a good chance it can be used against me, one bad day and some judge has the excuse to put me in a straight jacket. Thank god I'm good looking enough that people default to assuming I'm just slightly eccentric and not a weirdo."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">all this midge seethe\nIN THE HOLE, TUNNEL RAT!\n\nWATCH OUT FOR PUNJI PITS!"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nMeanwhile:\n>sorry sarge, I can't fit :)"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nYES YOU CAN SHORTY! SUCK IN THAT GUT! *boots you in*\n\nIN THE MEANTIME TALLCHADS, I ORDER YOU TO WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE WHORES BACK IN SAIGON!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\n>You're probably autistic and rational and wouldn't take offence to it though. Most people would get very offended at anything like that.\nSo you’re saying that a lot of people let their egos get in the way of a neutral evaluation of their genetic quality? Is this flaw common?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nMy granddaddy got two Purple Hearts for cockrot"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\nDamn right"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWas this the same Frederick who conducted the other human experiments, eg raising kids without language"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>19\nsorry anon but tall amazonians are exclusively for manlets\nhttps://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w20402/w20402.pdf\n>As the first row indicates, we find that short men have partners who are an average of 1.58” shorter than average men, have 269% higher relative odds of partnering with a woman who is their same height, and 1,450% higher relative odds of partnering with a woman who is taller than them\n> This can also be seen in Figure 4, which graphs the smoothed Kaplan Meier hazard curve of first separation. Together, the lower rate of separation and the lower rate of marriage among short men suggests that these men and their spouses are more likely to select out of marriage before it begins. Resultantly, married couples where the man is short appear more stable\n>Specifically, we find that tall men have 95% lower relative odds of partnering with a woman who is their same height and almost 100% lower odds of partnering with a woman who is taller than them"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nidk if you fags are just rageposting for a dopamine rush but I DO NOT want to be taller than the trench when rounds fire overhead."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come the Soviet Union collapsed, but Communist China didn't?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe USSR was a union of socialist republics, so when they changed economic systems, their former satellite states left, causing collapse\n\nChina was never a federation, so when they switched from Communism to \"Marxism with Chinese characteristics\" AKA East Asian Capitalism, it was a more graceful shift, and the CCP could keep its title."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>AKA East Asian Capitalism\nIt's not capitalism but more similar to Nazi Germany. Capitalists can keep making all the money they want untill the heavenly Emperor disapproves."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause free market capitalism is superior"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe dismantling of the USSR (not collapse like a natural chaotic occurrence) was a deliberate thing. Part of it was infiltration of enemy agents into the highest echelons of power. Part of it was some of the nomenklatura losing their shame and deciding they wanted the same opulence as their western counterparts. Part of it was a culture of nepotism, bribes and embezzlement that trickled down to all rungs of society where it became standard procedure to both steal and slack off at work. Part of it was the increasingly geriatric top cadres becoming increasingly reluctant to take charge of anything, letting things just sort of drift along which among other things meant inefficiencies were not addressed, needless spending was not curtailed for fear of conflict and stepping on toes. The burgeoning bourgeoisie did what actual bourgeoisie always do when they decide to raid public coffers - defund a public service, cry that it's inefficient, privatise (to themselves and their buddies). By the very end when things started to completely go to shit contemporaries testified that an artificial goods crisis was manufactured that led to the famous endless shopping lines, deficits of all goods and eventually protests. There are plenty of interviews with witnesses who claim that massive shipments were halted, perishable goods destroyed or left to rot."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIn Moscow students were called upon to help unload the cargo trains waiting at the logistics hubs, when the volunteers arrived they were dispersed under threat of violence and prevented from unloading the trains. Fully loaded ships sat in ports, prevented by the relevant authorities from being unloaded. In addition you had nationalists stirring the pot and even starting a war in the Caucasus. The Leningrad law faculty group (where, among others, Putin comes from) that was one of the main consultative authorities on drafting new laws managed to convince the government to restore capitalist relation, piece by small piece in order to upend communist rule. Of course it didn't help that Gorbachev was a sycophant West fanboi who had no ideas of his own and just listened to what his self-serving advisors and ministers told him to do. You might be surprised to know that unlike his contemporaries he came into the narrow upper circle not due to administrative prowess or military accolades but because he was originally in charge of the elite retreat for high party functionaries where he managed to win their confidence via his exceptional tending to their needs for relaxation. Under the auspices of his main strategist and suspected US agent Yakovlev a deliberate campaign of discrediting the Soviet system was launched: \"hit at Marxism-Leninism with Lenin (back to the roots, invoking some mythical purity), hit at Leninism with Plekhanov and social democracy, hit at social democracy with liberalism.\"\n\nAn exacerbating factor was a sort of state paternalism that the general public was accustomed to (which in my opinion was one of the gravest mistakes stretching at least as far back as post Stalin time if not way farther) that precluded dedicated communists from mounting a resistance."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nNo Dengism\nNo Gorbachev factor\n\n/Endthread"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe 'Autonomous Regions' of China have much less autonomy than than of the smaller SSRs."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nLeninist systems are actually quite resilient."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSSSR collapsed due to nationalistic problems that the PRC does not have. PRC could also learn from Soviet mistakes."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nanon...\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Its collapse wasn't a priority when it happened as it is for China atm."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Deng became Bukharinpilled"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>I have decided with all the money I made on high speed rail to open an lgbt memorabilia stor-ACK"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nOne of China most well known tv hostess is a trans woman"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAnd yet they don't have pride parades, groomers, or aids epidemics, curious."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nShanghai had a pride parade for a decade until covid lockdown and China would never let an aids epidemic be known. What's a groomer? Is it like a zoomer boomer doomer coomer?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nThere's no similarity between those and the SSRs. The ARs don't constitute even the potential basis for a country, or a rival power base to the center, or even a semi-parallel political system. The CPC chief in Xinjiang is a Han from Manchuria."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How come the Soviet Union collapsed\nYou won't believe what kind of shit people believed about USA at that point and even after.\n\"Every hobo has his own bench and policeman guarding it in USA\", for example.\n\nUSSR was doomed, since it was filled with retards unironically believing that everyone will get rich once they transition to \"civilized democracy\". Russia and satellite states collapsing into shitholes they are was a karma for such idiocy.\n\nChinese, after the main bulk of people behind Tiananmen riots fucked of to USA (because duh, they didn't want to die for their ideals, that's what dumbass cannon fodder is for), avoided this problem for obvious reasons."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\n>. There are plenty of interviews with witnesses who claim that massive shipments were halted, perishable goods destroyed or left to rot.\n\nE.g. Compilation of \"600 seconds\" reports on the \"\"\"\"deficit\"\"\"\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO7HXrhHOS8&ab_channel=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5%D0%9D%D0%B0% [Embed]D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B8"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the Chinese were open to reform, the Soviets were too stubborn until it was too late. Pic related was China in the 80's, still in the middle of the cold war."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nSoviet Union had Pepsi by the mid 80s.\nCapitalist soda doesn't save your ass."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>ywn live in the timeline china became a westernized consoomer state\nhttps://youtu.be/oQis-wvvEY0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\n>Comparing some flyover shitholes that amount to 2% of chinese gdp to the massive loss that was 50% of Soviet gdp in her republics\nngmi anon, even if all those regions united hand in hand to oppose centralized Chinese power, they’d be crushed not only by force but bled dry without Han gibs. It’d be a tiny regional conflict that any leader would gladly take part in, compare this to the massive civil war and internal and external refugee crisis a war between the republics leaving and the communists would have brought. Any conflict would surely end with Soviet officials and their families butchered by the tens of thousands after the war stalls while millions lay dead and famines hit the former Soviet Union and Middle east killing thousands more."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\n>And yet they don't have pride parades\nI think pride parades over there are often seen as a particular Western thing (for people who even know much about them), which they are, and it's kinda similar to Carnival / Mardi Gras parades which started out as a Catholic spring festival in the Middle Ages but absorbing European pagan traditions. It's like a procession.\n\nIt makes me wonder whether it took off in New York City in the 70s because of the high number of Catholics there."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the old guard was completely cowed in China whereas the old guard in the USSR still believed they held power. The memory of the Cultural Revolution was still fresh in the minds of any would-be opponents, so the old guard was willing to accept reform as a source of stability so long as it kept them out of the countryside. The USSR, on the other hand, had been stabilized under their old guard gerontocracy; they were forced to cede power to a younger face of reform simply because the old bastards kept dying off. When that reformer actually went against their wishes, they attempted a coup without much of a plan."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nPartially true, but misses the key point that Deng was not entirely young retard reformer. He never had any intention of political liberalization. The reason the old guard in the USSR feared Gorbachev's liberalization is because their jobs were on the line, if the CCP bureaucracy was similarly in danger in China they'd have laogai'd Deng before you could say 我很喜欢冰淇淋"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmore party leaders actually believed in communism in China"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>open to reform\n>crushes you with a tank"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nI said I'd buy you a coke, I didn't say you could have an opinion on that event."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>2\nYup. China will always be China but the soviet union was a collection of socialist states."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDeng literally talked about this. He saw how the political liberalization sent the USSR to the toilet so he decided not to do the same thing in China."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\n>Deng was not entirely young retard reformer\nhe wasn't one at all, he was literally a founding father of the PRC and in his view, his policies are simply more along the lines of orthodox marxism\nChina is basically like if Stalin didn't have Bukharin killed and only politically purged him, but then later rehabilitated him."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nFree market capitalism isn't socialism no matter how much you want it to be. You're not a Bukharinite NEPman, you're a capitalist roader and probable glownigger plant."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nGood thing China's market is anything but \"free\""}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nstate capitalism is still capitalism"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\ngoal post: shifted"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\npeasant: betrayed"}, {"id": 39, "content": "the west weren't offshoring all their manufacturing to the USSR"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nYou're coping hard. First you say China is actually a free market to remove it from the legacy of the NEP and orthodox marxism. Then you concede it isn't one and cope with muh state capitalism which Lenin considers no different from the NEP to develop the productive forces for socialism."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nbingo"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nLenin also thought Stalin wasn't to be trusted with the USSR, do you agree with that?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>23\nAnon, I…"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nStalin turned out to be a good political leader but I already stated that I think he should have kept Bukharin around and followed his economic policy more."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nXi, and to a lesser extent Jiang and Hu, clamped down on their westernized consumerism. There was a brief period it looked like they were going to be as integrated with the West as Japan. Then the firewall went up, and recently Xi has been going extreme with it banning everything from Kpop to asmr, to the little softcore porn that existed."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>11\nUkraine SSR alone held an enormous share of total Soviet industry that it could act as an alternate power base, which we are effectively seeing now\nIn China all the industry was initially in the former Manchukuo provinces and some coastal provinces, then spread out as time went on. None of the autonomous regions had any industry, even to this day they are irrelevant backwaters where ethnic minorities can do their native dances for tourists"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>17\n>Shanghai had a pride parade for a decade until covid lockdown\nno they simply banned it. there were few lockdowns outside wuhan in 2020"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it switched to state capitalism after Mao died"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>27\nWhile I agree that Deng wasn't some radical young reformer like Gorby was, the matter is that in a Leninist state, economic liberalization requires the old guard to give up almost as much power as political liberalization. The old guard that opposed Gorbachev weren't just found in the Presidium, but were also found at the top of the state owned companies and services as well. Deng may not have put the politicians at risk, but his actions did threaten the old guard that ran China's economy. But these same economic leaders had gone through so much turmoil and chaos throughout the years that to them it wasn't worth it."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause \"Communist\" China has had the economic investment of virtually every capitalist nation on Earth for the last half-century."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>36\n>you can still be free while in chains!\n\"State capitalism\" is an oxymoron."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>\"State capitalism\" is an oxymoron.\nevery country is effectively state capitalist\nthe US government pours huge subsidies to keep afloat businesses that would otherwise not be viable at all in the free market\nthis market distortion is funded by the taxpayer, and it exists in every country on earth, whether as part of some \"industrial policy\" or just government favors to special groups"}, {"id": 53, "content": "https://warontherocks.com/2023/02/a-hard-act-to-follow-explaining-authoritarian-succession/"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>46\nXinjiang and Inner Mongolia aren't economic backwaters. Of course the economically important parts of them are majority Han and even then they're not even close to the significance that Ukraine had to the USSR."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nThat's just regular capitalism because capital is the ultimate king pin. Capital subverting the state to act in its own interests isn't state capitalism. China and socialist market states are called \"state capitalist\" by detractors because the power of the state overrides the power of capital."}, {"id": 56, "content": "Xinjiang will be prosperous after China restores the Silk road."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia aren't economic backwaters\nYeah they are."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA good contrast to make in regards to ethnic tensions in the Soviet Union as opposed to the PRC is how the USSR endorsed and supported the Ukrainian SSR and Belarussian SSR as fully fledged autonomous and distinct areas from the RSFSR, as opposed to China, which has no autonomous areas for Wu, Hakka, Gan, Min, Yue, etc.\nThe USSR reversed the policy of the Russian Empire in discouraging what it considered regional identities, and instead encouraged them into national ones; whereas China never entertained the idea its linguistic minorities in the south were anything but Han Chinese, and therefore didn't need special autonomy, or the fostering of a separate identity within the greater Chinese citizenry.\nNow I'd like to clarify too that the economic differences of these nations are also extremely significant to the collapse of the USSR as opposed to the PRC, but wanted to highlight the importance of ethnic divisions, for example, with Ukraine having a stronger identity than say Wu or Yue speakers, it was easier for those within the Ukrainian SSR to be lobbied into self-determination away from Moscow.\nOn an aside though, I'm led to believe the Hakka form a clique within the CPC which gives them a lot of benefits and cushy positions, as means of keeping them onside.\nIronically, the East Slavic languages are far closer and intelligible than any 'variety' of Chinese."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n>Capital subverting the state to act in its own interests isn't state capitalism\nnonsense\nthere is no difference between china subsidizing its high end tech sector and japan/south korea doing it, in fact they're identical models copied from germany\ncapital doesn't subvert the state, capital ultimately obeys the state, this is the case everywhere. it's not in the interest of capital for the US to antagonize china (or germany or japan in the past) yet the US government has always overruled. wall street is by far the most china friendly elite cluster in america, everyone else is hostile"}, {"id": 60, "content": "Capital obey the state has always been a thing in China but there are some leeways for merchant clans to do whatever the hell they want as well. Chink merchants don’t need babysitting and they respect the boundary of central authority."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is your opinion of Noam Chomsky?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsenile retard who does triple-backflip mental gymnastics to always say \"usa bad, opponent of usa good\""}, {"id": 3, "content": "His only analysis on any situation (including Russia's invasion of Ukraine) is \"America BAD!!!\" He's a one-trick pony"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n...how do libs reconcile their self-perception as the underdogs with the fact that not only have they never been witch hunted out of any institution of education like rightoids, but their icons like Hobsbawm, Zizek, Chomsky, etc. all have/had tenures out the ass?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Chomsky-homp"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nBased kek\n>>4\nI think they mean underdog in terms of impact on public policy. Chomsky used to complain about anti-Israel lectures and protest being broken up and bombarded with hecklers. The Dershowitz–Finkelstein affair was a good case."}, {"id": 7, "content": "US IMPERIALISM BAD VATNIK IMPERIALISM GOOD"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDirty Jewish liberal rat"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPolitically, he's a dumbass with minimal insight.\nLinguistically he was good, but his shit is outdated now."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nknows nothing, another Einstein wannabe"}, {"id": 11, "content": "pop-intellectual but a fantastic public speaker"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nHe's anti zionism namenigger"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Jews Won"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMassively dishonest incoherent faggot who’s only real argument in moral philosophy is an appeal to convention.\nHe’s exactly the sort of shit the post-war decadent liberal west was always going to vomit up as an\n>”intellectual”\nHe says nothing.\nHe thinks nothing.\nHis ideology is just as sterile and impotent as a tranny dick in the face of changing conditions fracturing the ideological concensus which was ALWAYS his only appeal"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nJews were shot en masse but gas chambers never existed. Auschwitz and others were labour or internment camps."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Still can't believe I tricked him into coming on my youtube channel"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nIt's chomskyhonk.\n\nFor your ignorance, you deserve to get humped by Noam Chomsky."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nGo on, post your channel you faggot"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt was a catholic apologetics channel, I deleted it because of drama"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne good thing about him is a healthy skepticism of postmodernism."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\nWhy do you make/post these ugly images? Is it general mental illness or something else?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nthat fucker denied the CPK's atrocities in Cambodia lmaooo"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA good Jew"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally who."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk mathematician.\nMeh politician."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA blow hard cynic that has never accomplished anything significant politically.\n\nBashes others, but has no real answers of his own. Has done nothing for socialism, communism, or anarchism.\n\nAlso if he's supposed to be a linguist, what languages is he particularly knowledgeable of?\nHe doesn't seem to be upfront about that."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wouldn't know, I've never read any of his stuff or met a fan of his work.\n\nPeople seem to dislike him for every reason and I don't know shit"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCambodian genocide denier schizo"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nHe's not a politician. He's a political commentator."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nWish he got shot like that Caldwell idiot"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProof that expertise in one area does not necessarily imply expertise in another"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\nYou should apologize for being Catholic."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>muh war crimes\nw/e"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe is a gnome."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can christfags be this based?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I think the gaytheist might be the based one here"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>bilking\nAlso this has nothing to do with evolution, it's just reddit tier fedora atheist crap. Also individual churches have likely done leagues more good in a month than whatever the guy who left it there has done in his life"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Also individual churches have likely done leagues more good in a month than whatever the guy who left it there has done in his life\nYeah on exotic trips to Africa and sponsoring pajeet children instead of actually investing in their community. Christians have a fetish for the third world that's borderline cuckold."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Christians have a fetish for the third world that's borderline cuckold.\nYes I know but that's not even what I'm talking about, albeit some of it is still actually doing something to improve the world.\n>investing in their community.\nMany actually do in some way or another. Not all churches, but whether or not religion is a scam, the effect (mainly small) churches can have on a community is mainly positive, whether it's providing social or financial support to a local community, or keeping some would-be local criminals off the street by teaching them self-discipline. Still much more good for the world than this alleged atheist is providing"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Where the christians hate evolution thing came from? All scientists that created the theory of evolution were christian"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt ain't catholic, so I don't care."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\n>he doesn't know\nthese kind of churches are known for having members that will leave \"tips\" that are actually just messages telling you too go to church or go to hell. it's about time someone gave them a taste of their own medicine and handed them some fake money."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\nIt goes both ways\nhttps://www.businessinsider.com/20-tip-bible-pamphlet-2015-12"}, {"id": 10, "content": "The guy who did that"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nHaha you losers had to concede evolution is true."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristfags started that bullshit to begin with. They leave behind fake tips or donations to beggars that are actually pamphlets about their church or some bible verse.\n\nI bet this dude just did this as payback."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGaytheists would never do this to a Mosque."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nMosques don't have collection trays"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThat’s just gay evangelical shit. Jesus would beat the shit out of you for giving a fake gift and also using religion as an excuse."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nMosques don't need to grift their members. Allah provides for them."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>>15\n>oh no, I just learned about the free gift of God of everlasting life for free and I'm upset it wasn't some federal reserve note from a ponzi scheme private central bank\n>help, I'm being oppressed!"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh shit, Jesus BTFO"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nDarwin and Huxley were both agnostics, Wallace was into spiritualism and the occult. I don't get why Christians do this, it's like when people brag that Newton was a Christian despite him being a Unitarian and occultist that would have been burned at the stake 100 years earlier."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nWhat if he's alrwsdy Christian? What if he just wants a hot meal, a bed or a beer to make his miserable time on this earth just a bit more bearable. Evangelicals are insane."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>Free gift*\n>*Free gift is contingent on you worshiping God and Jesus for all eternity, choosing the correct church and liturgy out of the 9000 different denominations, and following all these rules on sexual morality that a bunch of sand people came up with 3000 years ago."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>17\nBecause praying is going to help a starving person. Let's ask some of the poor fucks living in third world shitholes how that's working out for them"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nEvangelicalism is so prominent in the US that even people who actively try to avoid it can’t do so. You’re telling them something they’ve heard 100 times but in a way that is guaranteed to piss them off first. You aren’t “giving them a gift of the good news”, you’re being an asshole. It’s in the same vain as parents who get a box for a video game console and fill it full of socks before giving it for a Christmas gift. Did you technically give a gift? Yes, but you also did it in a way that makes sure the kid is going to resent it."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nNot even 100 years earlier, he kept his unitarian, neo-Arian beliefs hidden but he was a Christian none the less."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nI would make the “you must be fun at parties” joke but you evidently don’t get invited to any"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>17\nxD"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\n>feeding billions of niggers and telling them not to use condoms is LE GOOD YOU GAYTHEIST\nyou will swing on the day of the rope, race traitor"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\n>\"even people who actively try to avoid it can’t do so.\"\n>oh no, people have opinions and beliefs and they're allowed to share them\n>only I should be allowed to do that!\nI try to avoid LGBT sodomite filth, but that's impossible in this world. They even force it on kids in government schools. You have absolutely no place to state a grievance in these matters you Godless heathen."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>17\nchristcucks, everyone."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n> oh no, people have opinions and beliefs and they're allowed to share them\nAnd they do, literally everywhere. It is physically impossible to live in the US and not hear about Jesus and the Gospel. My point, which you would have realized if you were capable of reading, was that doing assinine things in order to “spread the Gospel” is retarded because literally anybody who has any passing interest in learning about it without you doing it in a way that seems tailor-made to make the person who does it look like a prick.\n>Godless Heathen\nI’m Christian, and even I hate people who do this. They turn people off of Christianity because this is the most patronizing way about telling somebody about God possible."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nSo you're one of those \"fellow Christians\" I always see in street preacher videos who beg preachers to stop preaching?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>help, I'm being oppressed"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>13\nMosques take money?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nYou’re being disingenous and you know it. Spreading the Word is fine, just not in a way that literally made to piss people off. Not in a “calling you out for your sin” kind of way, but a “Ha-ha I tricked you” kind of way."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nStreet preachers absolutely turn people off Christianity though. They're all over major cities, I saw them everywhere when I visited New Orleans and everyone just ignored or laughed at them."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nYou shouldn't care so much about money and you could stand to gain a sense of humor."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nThat is a lie, but you don't care because your goal isn't the truth. Not much else worth saying to someone like you."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nThere’s the self-righteous attitude that comes with every box of those fake bills."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>27\n>two weeks!"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nNigger go outside for once, and see how people actually interact with street preachers if you don't believe me."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nYou're right. Everybody else thinks these are funny little notes and just laughs them off. That's why the church in OP's pic complained so much that it made the news."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nI already know how unrepentant sinners respond to righteousness, with hate and rage. Just like you right now. They often get angry enough to kill, especially at those sodomite march \"pride parades\" that they shut down entire city blocks for, just so some fags can cross dress and expose themselves infront of kids. But that doesn't bother you, someone warning you to flee from the wrath to come bothers you because it's tell you to stop sinning, and you can't or won't because you're a pathetic loser enslaved to your sins.\n\n>>41\nOne is a donation box being littered, the other is leaving tracts where people would get them."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>27\nBrown hands typed this post"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>do something good for a change\nGuarantee this person does not do any volunteer work or charity"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>One is a donation box being littered, the other is leaving tracts where people would get them.\nLeaving these notes out in the street or in restaurants is a lot closer to littering than putting one into the donation box."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNigger, what does this post have to do with history or the humanities?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">christians\n>upset at getting lectured\nPot kettle nigger lmfao\n\n>>35\nIn my home town, we used to have this guy who would strap a big sign saying something like \"JOHN 4:20 YOU ARE GOING TO HELL\". He'd wander around town all day screaming obscenities at people and demanding that they \"repent\". Whenever a holiday came around, he'd slip into the parade and try to climb on a float to make himself more visible. He'd get booed at the entire time, and when the cops would arrest him and drag him off they'd get a huge round of applause."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>23\n>>21\n>>17\n>free\nThe Chick-Tracts that you losers leave around every city in the US make it very clear that the Christian deity is not giving this stuff out for free."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>12\nThere is a huge difference between pulling this stunt to a wealthy organization like a church and a starving beggar or wage slave. How morally repugnant."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>28\n>Homosexuals exist\n>Therefore I must abuse beggars\nAre you completely insane?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>42\nBased sodomites protecting the city from Chick-Tracks. Can rainbow flags be used to ward off people like you? Sounds fucking awesome."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>47\nGiven how many vile people there are to hate today you'd think these people would find far more productive targets to scream at than random people on the street."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>4\nMore like sponsoring Kenneth Copeland's fifth private jet lmao."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso, fake news.\n\nhttps://www.religimarole.com/post/church-annoyed-after-20-donation-turned-out-to-be-lecture-on-evolution\n>news as real as your god\n\nJannies, shitpost on aisle 6, clean this shit up."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nterminally online obese childless atheists TRY NOT to seethe about religion (IMPOSSIBLE)"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nIt's because evangelicals have a persecution complex. They took \"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake\" to heart and now go around being the most condescending, pretentious people they possibly can be while talking about Jesus. They then blame the inevitable pushback on people hating them for loving Jesus instead of people hating them because they were being rude."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I want to become a highbrow person but elitism doesn't exist nowadays and those that try to act like such use it just for image but can't back it up. What are your sincere thoughts on how this chart would look nowadays if people tried their best."}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's all more mixed now. You have actual elites talking about playing video games or reading comic books."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI mentioned that in my first sentence."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Do you realize the silliness of trying to force yourself to like something to impress a small group of pretentious people?\n\nIf you're just looking to be a poseur it's more about the way you look, your style and dress and most importantly your accent and vocabulary."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI don't want to impress anyone but just to become a better person."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall this does is give me respect for the low brow, enjoying the simple life instead of worrying about appearances. you can absolutely tell that this was made by some pretentious city slicker basing his entire life and interests around looking cool. \"criticism of criticism\"? this person sounds insufferable"}, {"id": 7, "content": "I use TSPDT for films and RYM for music."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIf it's not about making others think highly of you, why does forcing yourself to like these things make you a better person?\n\n>>6\nIt's all avant garde minimalist abstract nonsense at the top. The faggot should have known that his retarded \"art\" doesn't last in appeal. Does he really think that plastic chair without a small backrest is better than the proper armchair?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>without\nwith"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>elitism doesn’t exist today\nThat’s how you know you’re poor"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol at the records. metal would probably melt those boomers brains."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>upper middle brow clothing\n>made to fit, tight and buttoned, matches all around with variety\n>high brow clothing\n>loose and unfastened, wears same thing everywhere, general \"don't care\" attitude\nI feel like I know this type"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis chart lost me there"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nIt all feels ironic to some degree\n\"the lodge\" as \"cause\" to fight for, for the low-brown, is eyebrown raising"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI get the general idea of this satire but I feel like most of it pertains to very specific british shit.\nI wonder how much more or less funny it is for people with full context for it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>favorites\nIt's american"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nthis is what they did before video games got invented."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCould be made into a set of game-tarot cards"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">theater upper middle-bwo\n>theater now\n>ugly bald men put their balls on each other's faces"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>he doesn't know the game"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\n>the game\nyou lost it"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\n>these things make you a better person?\nBecause then you can understand and enjoy the finest things in life and in turn help other people to enjoy them instead of living in a world of violence.\n>>6\nHighbrow people don't parade themselves, so?\n>>10\nProvide me an example of intellectual elitism similar to that in the image."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Because then you can understand and enjoy the finest things in life\nHow, why, and what are the \"finer things in life\"?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThose that express and affirm the highest points of life, the opposite of the vulgarity and anti-intellectualism of the ordinary."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYou'll have to be more specific than that"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>Provide me an example of intellectual elitism similar to that in the image.\nVisit /lit/ and read some of the threads"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n/lit/ is such an awful experience to browse, every user is so cynical and rude and quick to try to bring others down"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWell, if you can't keep up."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nOn many levels this board is worse, at least over there they behave like adults"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nYeah because here all the mentally ill religious fanatic LARPers and phenotype \"racial experts\" are all such lovely nice people to discuss with"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nPosters here can be pretty vile but on /lit/ they're more intelligent so that makes it considerably worse. Like a school bully vs a horrid teacher."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nWhat's not specific about this?\n>>26\nPerhaps you should join me and see that the litcore is thousand times more stale than mucore. It's like Groundhog Day on steroids."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Those that express and affirm the highest points of life, the opposite of the vulgarity and anti-intellectualism of the ordinary.\nDo you have an example?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nGeorg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\n>I'm too stupid to appreciate or think about anything other than the blandest representational art. The peak of art is a really accurate picture of a castle, a marble statue of a real doll, or a symbolist painting with an obvious message.\nfaggot."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty much only middle-brow can be defined today (most of mainstream culture and some of the more basic \"niche\" interests i.e. you don't need several minutes to explain them to your friends if they ask what you are into).\n\nThe rest is very mixed. Are you into extreme genre of music? You can be a degenerate drug addict, a middle-class college kid wanting to look cool or someone who has wast knowledge of music and enjoy it because it's different."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How would this chart look today?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLow Brow:\n>Clothes: Town - Polo with slacks. Country - Jeans and a t-shirt\n>Furniture: Ikea and Target furniture\n>Useful Objects: Smartphone\n>Entertainment: Marvel movies, Netflix series\n>Salad: Caesar\n>Drinks: Light beer\n>Reading: Graphic novels, adult coloring books\n>Sculpture: Funko pops\n>Records: Hip-hop\n>Games: Video games\n>Causes: Flavor of the month from mass media\n\nLower Middle-Brow:\n>Clothes: Town - \"Smart Casual\". Country - \"Workwear/Americana\"\n>Furniture: Big-box retailers\n>Useful Objects: Smart tech\n>Entertainment: Classic films, modern Oscar/Tony nominees\n>Salads: House, avocado, trendy\n>Drinks: Seltzers, craft beer\n>Reading: Book club selections, mainstream news sources\n>Sculpture: Knick-knacks, pieces bought from art festivals\n>Records: Classics\n>Games: Hasbro/Mattel board games, Uno, Cards Against Humanity\n>Causes: Environmentalism, church groups\n\nUpper Middle-Brow:\n>Clothing: Town - suit and tie. Country - business casual\n>Furniture: Handmade, hand-me-downs, antiques\n>Useful Objects: $75 refillable water bottle with filter\n>Entertainment: Theater and dance\n>Salads: All-natural\n>Drinks: Wine, aged liquor\n>Reading: Classics, in-depth nonfiction\n>Sculpture: Classical\n>Records: Jazz, Classical, Big Band\n>Games: Card games, Chess, Parlor games\n>Causes: Small business, urban renewal\n\nHigh-Brow\n>Clothes: Experimental statement pieces from designer brands\n>Furniture: Abstract/Post-modern bought directly from a designer\n>Useful Objects: French press + espresso machine\n>Entertainment: Film festivals\n>Salads: All-natural\n>Drinks: Expensive fine liquors/spirits\n>Reading: Post-Modern novels, critical theory essays\n>Sculpture: Post-Modern/Abstract art\n>Records: Experimental/Esoteric\n>Games:\n>Causes: Globalism, social justice"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nI spent way too much time on these, \"Useful Objects\" were especially difficult. What games do liberal urban elites even play? I mean besides the games they play on us, of course"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis image was made by a retarded faggot. Probably Jewish."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is having a decentralized system for steel profuction actually feasible when you are a congo tier shithole but have half a billion slave workers around or was it all a pipe dream?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao was a clinical retard. Imagine butchering the Chinese language"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Steel specifically requires either skilled craftsman or large industrial scale mills. You cannot produce it in usable quantities without centralized industry and supply chains."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nImagine not even speaking mandarin"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThis"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Atheism/communism will never succeed."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWell, that's the question. You can't produce it EFFICIENTLY in large quantities but when your labor force costs you close to 0 (ZERO) dollars per person per year (they do it for free) that might not even matter?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be me\n>mao zedong\n>sparrows are eating the grain\n>order total sparrow death\n>sparrows gone\n>insect population booms\n>insects eat more grain than sparrows\n>also need steel\n>order people to smelt their iron into steel\n>peasants turn their cookware and farm tools into shit grade pig iron\n>no more farm tools left\n>can't grow grain\n>mass famine\n>revenge of the sparrows?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nImagine butchering the very thing china perfected. Mao was a jew"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n\nYou need people that know what they are doing\nIt can be craftsmen or engeneers, you need someone that knows how the fuck the thing is done\nNow, this creates a major problem for a centralised one party government, in that, due to the abject nature of the process, these 'experts' have somesort of authority, inherently, even just the basic banal form of simply -telling people what to do\nThats a problem\nIn a clasles society only the party members 'tell people what to do'\nExperts lead to 'technocracy' which competes with party power\nThis, again, is largely due to the fact that party members dont know shit, by an large, most marxist party members, all arround the world from yugoslavia to vietnam, didnt know one fucking shit, in fact very often they were iliterate pesants and gained position trough intraparty merit or wartime heroics\nAdd to this that most 'experts' were either part of some local proprietary class, as in they just owned theyr own smiths and mills, where they worked, as smiths, or they worked in the mills as smiths aprenticess or whatever\nIn both cases this was a problem, this is class stratification, this is a basis for questioning party authority based on expertese\nSo obviously as a good bolshevik/maoist you had to get rid of these people, and the bakers, and the carpenters and the shoemakers, and the machinists and mechanics, let alone the architects and engeneers and metalurgists and doctors and veterinarians, essentialy anyone who knew shit or knew what to do with shit of any kind\nThis didnt just happen in maoist china it was typical of all 20th century marxist regimes\nSuddenly all the people who knew how shit gets done are deported for being enemyes of the people, if not killed on theyr front porch, and then some jo average that worked at the shop is approached by a group of armed individuals that hand him a quota\nAnd now hes suposed to figure out how to even just\nAnd then sudenly everything goes to shit and nothing works\n\nMany such cases"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nHow did they even recover?\n>government massively in debt\n>ecosystem collapsed\n>grain storages empty\n>no tools for farming available anymore\n>peasants to weak to do farm work anyway\nHow they ever even recovered with little to no foreign help is beyond me"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Maoism\n>success\n\nLMAO"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nThe labor force still costs you money because you still have to feed and clothe them (or at least some of them). It also costs you when the materials they’re given for steel are output as low grade iron instead.\n\nIn short, there’s no way to get acceptable modern steel from people who have no knowledge or proper facilities to make it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt did succeed? China is now more powerful than ever."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNo it didn’t idiot, deng purged the maoists"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat i never understood was how they got the ore to the furnances in the first place. It implies the existence of a very rudimentary \"supply chain\" to the villages."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nlate imperial china had a very well integrated economy with extensive roads and canal systems especially"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nThe Mandate from Heaven baby\n\n(This comment is sarcastic, Mao did not have a mandate from heaven because he is an atheist)"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nChasing Kai Shek always have the Mandate of Heaven"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\nThey did have foreign help, they had massive influxes of capital from the US and USSR (which really just means from the US by proxy). Also, Chinks are ludicrously good at decentralized industry and agriculture, they're basically slime mold, so once the CCP let up on the ideological purges and just went back to business as normal things just... went back to business as normal."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>7\nFor most applications, there are quality/grade/shaping/tolerance standards that have to met. Trying to meet them by spamming labor will produce non-zero output simply by chance, but it's not going to be useful as an input to other parts of the economy or national objectives."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>HURRR DURRRR COULD IT HAVE SUCCEEDED\n>I'm too lazy to even read the most basic stuff on the topic\n\nDrink bleach, commietard.\n\n>Huge efforts on the part of illiterate peasants and other workers were made to produce steel out of scrap metal. To fuel the furnaces, the local environment was denuded of trees and wood taken from the doors and furniture of peasants' houses. Pots, pans, and other metal artifacts were requisitioned to supply the \"scrap\" for the furnaces so that the wildly optimistic production targets could be met. Many of the male agricultural workers were diverted from the harvest to help the iron production as were the workers at many factories, schools, and even hospitals. Although the output consisted of low quality lumps of pig iron which was of negligible economic worth, Mao had a deep distrust of intellectuals, engineers and technicians who could have pointed this out and instead placed his faith in the power of the mass mobilization of the peasants.\n\n>Moreover, the experience of the intellectual classes following the Hundred Flowers Campaign silenced those aware of the folly of such a plan. According to his private doctor, Li Zhisui, ***Mao and his entourage visited traditional steel works in Manchuria in January 1959 where he found out that high quality steel could only be produced in large-scale factories using reliable fuel such as coal.*** However, he decided not to order a halt to the backyard steel furnaces so as not to dampen the revolutionary enthusiasm of the masses. The program was only quietly abandoned much later in that year."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The aryans are a global people, we conquer other people build legal and political structures and move on from there. That's who we are, and our destiny is to ultimately do that in space. That is not the destiny of the jews and is something the jews fundamentally resented. Yes, we are a global people we think in terms of planetary domination, atleast the best of us. This petty nationalism, \"blood and soil\" Is frankly a low church version of who the european really is. We worry about being villainized? We are the villain, at some level. We are that person that other races fear, because we are stronger, bolder and ultimately more beautifull and rutheless. That is who we are, and we need to EMBRASE it if we are going to free ourselves. Freeing ourselves as the poor victim \"the innocent christian lamb\", that's not gonna work. Lambs go to slaughter, we should be the ones slaughtering lambs."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCamp of the Saints."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah but you'll never get the majority of whites out of the Christian brain rot without giving a viable solution"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour civilization comes from greeks and anatolian farmers alike"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n;)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We worry about being villainized? We are the villain, at some level. We are that person that other races fear, because we are stronger, bolder and ultimately more beautifull and rutheless. That is who we are, and we need to EMBRASE it if we are going to free ourselves.\nI think it's time you EMBRASE your bedtime."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nChristcuck brownoid cope."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwho is aryan? western europeans? (not the scandanavians though they didn't conquer shit) the spanish? they didn't leave much in terms of legal and political structures seeing as latam is a shithole- same with the french and their exploits- so you have the anglo; who has generally made functioning societies wherever they have colonized- i guess Anglos are the only aryans lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nKEK"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nchrist? you mean Juan Santos Atahualpa?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBunp"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nconsider that the biggest threat to brown people (according to browns) is a White boy, then you will see why OP is unironically correct."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhy modern Aryans are so Onions ?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is blackwashing so common in American historical discourse?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Liberal imperialism is predicated on tolerating other races,but ignored the fact that everyone is racist and most are supremacists, so now we have all of these groups trying to claim little victories for themselves in the face of four centuries of absolute European world domination."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\njapan was never conquered"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica is a truly cucked society that has forgotten how to deal with toddlers. They think that you can prevent the tantrum by giving the whining toddler anything it wants as quickly as possible, and when it gets bored with that, just give it a new thing.\n\nNignogs basically never grow out of that toddlerhood mental state, and American society writ large has decided to deal with Dindusim by giving niggers whatever they want, whenever they want it, in order to forestall the chimpouts for another few days."}, {"id": 5, "content": "blacks don't actually have history so they copy paste their existence over european history"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nElon Musk is a BLACK man since he's from AFRICA"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nYeah whatever you say chang, now go back to doing cute animu dances for us"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts not about blackwashing per se. Its about providing a (visual) voice for PoC who have been ignored way too long."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nStop saying POC, say BIPOC, we Arabs have plenty of history already and we dont need scraps of representation in fiction to feel included like you"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nim latino- japan handed the british their largest military defeat; the emperor still rules; they have multiple billion dollar companies; not so \"absolute\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI understand I made a mistake by not using BIPOC. I am an ally and I am still learning.\n\nBack to the topic: I see your point but BIPOC voices, especially african americans voices have been censored for thousands of years. By making history visible black we will give them the voice they deserve.\nBy „blackwashing“ (as you call it) many people will lose nothing. But for BIPOC, especially african americans, this little action can mean a lot."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nb8"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause American culture is centered around niggers. They have holidays for niggers. They killed hundreds of thousands of white men to free niggers. They listen to nigger music. They elect a nigger as their president. They dress and act like niggers. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from niggers. They post sassy gifs about niggers. They watch sportsball in worship of niggers. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of niggers playing sports. They use nigger slang like \"bruh\" and \"thot\". When you say \"Martin Luther\" they're not thinking of the father of protestantism. They're thinking of the nigger. Their cities are completely overrun with niggers. They worship their ZOGbot police force disproportionately filled with niggers and their global police force of soldiers filled with niggers. Their men sit around watching nigger ball while their women sit around watching nigger talk shows. They worship niggers like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson and the late Eddie Murphy while attacking the whites who actually built their country before niggers took over. Their movies are filled with niggers and their music charts are topped by niggers. They send niggers to the Olympics and celebrate when the niggers win because those niggers are true red blooded american niggers. They watch nigger porn to a point where \"BBC\" does not make them think of an international media company but about nigger penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate niggers and how the mutt's law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love niggers but the evidence speaks for itself in that America has always been and will be a nation of nigger loving niggers."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nholy shit can you be any more of a cuck. I dont read posts by cucks you wormy little faggot. Get off my board"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>blacks don't actually have history so they copy paste their existence over european history\nThis.\nAfrican history, or at least the history of the part of Africa they come from is so lacking, and they are too lazy/stupid to do any research that they'd rather just larp as Europeans instead."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nThis"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\n>the emperor still rules\nonlx by the mercy of the US, japan signed an unconditional surrender after all"}, {"id": 18, "content": "lmao\nAlso it is almost always not blacks themselves but rather cucked whites doing it"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndon't you know, the second anyone goes a meter south of berlin, everyone is wesley snipes black from italy and greece to egypt to south africa. just everyone black as night"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>3\nworld war II"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDesperate attempts to tie Black people into the Western cultural ethos + Black American identity crisis.\nMore directly, they do it because it's popular. Rage bait is half of new media these days."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\n>we Arabs\narabs are black. literally every arab king, inventor, explorer, scientist and mathematician looked exactly like george floyd since north africa is in africa"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\n>>11\nthey can be ignored longer. It's not my fault they have no culture"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>His nose is like mine...\n>My ancestor :^)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Allowing the English language to degenerate by canonizing ebonics and zoomerspeech is good because...\n>BECAUSE IT IS, OK?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Allowing\nNo one asks your opinion thoughever."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a change which gives us success and prosperity\nYeah but I doubt ebonics does that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot my problem"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>implying changes are a bottom up process and not something imposed by a conscious act of will\nslaves obey as brainlets get the bat"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\ninnit bruv we speak proper good an dat"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWe won't be speaking Spanish anytime soon bruv"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you can't fluently read pic related, you're basically illiterate."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nEarly modern English can be just as midwitted as contemporary speech. The patrician thing to do is enriching formal contemporary English with archaic pronouns and suffixes with the addition of Anglish options to the vocabulary, while retaining other formal developments in the contemporary language."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. Speaks a degenerated pidgin French\n>>7\nWhat's wrong with Castellano?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish has been a mutt language since centuries ago\nLet it roll in its own cup of self-absorbed broth, as it is tradition"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nGet a load of those \"Empire Imports\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>is it good\nWell, society changes over time. Languages need new words and shit to deal with the changes.\nDialects, jargons and slangs split off and rejoin mainstream languages all the time, influencing each other constantly.\nRegardless of whether it's good, it's just unavoidable."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nTrès bonne, and the \"curry\" is something called Dravidian creole."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nThey published a new translation of the Bible in my language.\nChrist is no longer referred as Messiah.\nChristians are more spineless than jellyfish. They make me sick."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nIt's perfectly avoidable it it's policed."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>early childhood educator\nGuaranteed to have the most bootlicker opinions on anything"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nTrue. That's what happens when the language doesn't have an academy that regulates it."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Can someone explain why racists are so obsessed with AAVE in particular?\n\nt. AA"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nLmao we've had academias protecting languages for 500 years already, and all they've achieved is making said languages borderline unintelligible to modern native speakers."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Allowing the English language to change by canonizing ebonics and zoomerspeech is bad because...\n>BECAUSE IT IS, OK?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nain' a muffugin language bro, jus dumb peepow shieet"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nOr when the language academy exists, but it's owned by an advertising firm"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nAmerican racists obsessed with virtually everything to do with black people. All black people could be quarantined to Africa and I'm sure many of them would wake up and wonder what the black people."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\nAnyone can publish any kind of version of the Bible they want, Satan has already created hundreds, if not thousands, of bogus bibles. You act like this is some new thing or you're incapable of studying the translations for yourself and finding the truth for yourself."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nNo shit. It’s a dialect, not a language.\n\n>>24\nSeems like it. Are they THAT frustrated they can’t understand us but we can understand them perfectly fine?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nIt was approved by the Church."}, {"id": 28, "content": "Will there ever be a day where a white person can say Nigger without having their life ruined?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nbruh stop playin aight whudafug a dialect? dat some confucius shit right there bro haha no i said they don't speak no mufugin language feel me?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nThere’s nothing unique about AAVE. Literally every language on earth has its equivalent of a dialect/creole language with similar grammar rules.\n\nAAVE is only bad cuz it’s associated with black"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nWhy is saying nigger so important to white men? Will there ever be a day where a white person can say nigger and his life improves?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nPretty sure Pewdiepie and several people have said nigger online several times with practically nothing happening to them."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nI reckon Pewdiepie is a closeted fascist.\n>frequently says nigger\n>said his favorite book was by a japanese ultra-nationalist\n>NEVER been involved in any lgbt/woke campaign youtube puts out\nsuprised he hasn't been shut down"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nIt's racism. In basically every single case when people have negative opinions about a language or dialect, you can trace it back to negative opinions about the people who speak it."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIs that why katakana english is cute and chinese is annoying?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>>34\nThe other way around. Physiognomy is real. Uggos reflect their hideous natures in all they do, including language."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>unknown\nBasically a microcosm of different styles of civilization.\n>Anglo\nTeach the slaves to read in order to indoctrinate them in to liking their situation.\n>Arab/everywhere else\nCut their balls off so the problem dies with them and kill them if they misbehave."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\nThis is extremely cringe dude. Like when an American tries to mimic British dialects.\n>>30\n>There’s nothing unique about AAVE.\n\nCorrect. Convergent grammatical and phonemic features exist around the world. There’s almost no language or dialect on earth with features that can’t be found in another.\n\n>Literally every language on earth has its equivalent of a dialect/creole language with similar grammar rules.\n\nGlad we agree."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nyou finna learn today"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo one is \"\"\"allowing\"\"\", language changing is a fact of life. If you care so much about not degenerating English, why don't you speak Shakespearean English, or better yet old English?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\nFair point. One upon a time Kansai dialect was considered fancy because of Kyoto. When influence shifted to Tokyo Kansai became the dialect of poor & stupid people."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>9\nThis\n>muh degeneration\nYou would sound retarded to a pre-modern English speaker. Are you retarded?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">picrel\nEnglish is incoherent.\nIt's over for the Anglosphere."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>19\n“Niggers bad, so nigger speak is bad”"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>27\nYou should worship God instead of a church, cult member."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>18\n>language doesn't have an academy that regulates it.\nThose places are disconnected from reality, filled with boomers and in the case of France's has no actual linguists in it."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>37\n>Teach the slaves to read in\nBut they didn't. Very few were taught to read because they were labour slaves.\n\n>Cut their balls off so the problem dies with them and kill them if they misbehave.\nNo. Vast majority were labour slaves alongside Arabs sourcing slaves from other parts of the ME like Marsh Arabs. Eunuch slaves were for harems and costly as fuck through out the ages."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I believe Indo-European languages most likely originated in the caucasus and most of its speakers today patrilineally descend from an unrelated (possibly) dene-yeniseian people group; I also believe Semitic speakers descend from a Vainakh-Dagestani speaking people group and are unrelated to the broader afro-asiatic speaking world; I also think most paleo-european peoples spoke either proto-circassian, kartvelian or vainakh-dagestani languages."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut hat’s the mainstream consensus. Get original."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The biblical account of the history of nations is literally true, every nation is ultimately descended from one of the sons of Noah, and they branched out from Babylon which is the first city of man."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSource?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKartvelian is from farmers, afroasiatic from taforalt-natufians, Northeast caucasian/vainakh is from CHG, PIE is from EHG, dene-yenisean is from WSHG, dravidian from Iranian farmers, sumerian is a mistery"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>PIE is from EHG, dene-yenisean is from WSHG\nThis part makes no sense"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nBecause theyre both ANE btw"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI can believe most of that but why would Dravidian be from Iranian farmers and not from local hunter-gatherers?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nThats irrelevant, amerindians have like 50 language families and they come very directly from the same group and subgroup.\nLamguages diverge very fast with isolation, ANE in EHG and ANE in WSHG were quite divergent, EHG was formed at least since 14.000 Bp, WSHG must have formed before such admixtures\nAlso vainakh is definitely derived from J chgs. And there is like 4 language families more arround the caspian sea uncorresponded"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>I can believe most of that but why would Dravidian be from Iranian farmers\nThere's been linguistic evidence it came from indus valley civilization"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThere are a lot of signs that the Harappan language was not Dravidian. In such a case, it is likely that Dravidian derives from a successful hybrid society in Central or Southern India that cropped up at the periphery of the IVC world. Why else would they have hunter gatherer chad Y-DNA?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nSo which one is it?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy ancestor :)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nHow do you trace the language families if they apparently lead to the same source?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">The branches of Eurasiatic vary between proposals, but typically include Altaic (Mongolic, Tungusic and Turkic), Chukchi-Kamchatkan, Eskimo–Aleut, Indo-European, and Uralic—although Greenberg uses the controversial Uralic-Yukaghir classification instead.\nMakes sense for IE. I remember some article about how PIE is a mix of Eurasiatic (similar to Uralic) and some North Caucasian language. Makes the most sense to me."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIs this about Nostratic languages?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nThe Southern Arc in the Caucasus is the PIE urheimat. PIE is a CHG language."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nEarly Indo-Europeans were thoroughly R1b and R1a. Why would the language of a warlike and patriarchal culture come from women? The Southern Arc paper doesn't prove anything and even its authors say so."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nBeing raped by marauding Asiatics and inheriting their bastard yDNA through founder effect happened multiple times in history without any effects on the language. Your claim is an utter conjecture. Most prominently languages are passed through the mother and PIE is closer to Caucasus and even to Near Eastern languages than any Siberian dialects."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWould be the first time that every member of their population was a product of rape. There's not a single Yamnaya or Corded Ware individual with a Caucasian paternal haplogroup. And why would these poor rape victims carry on the warlike and patriarchal traditions of their rapist fathers?\n>Most prominently languages are passed through the mother\nWhere is that ever the case? The father asserts his culture, traditions and language on the family. Indo-European religion was especially insistent that religious worship is inherited from the father. The mother's ancestors are not owed any worship, and no sacrifices or rituals can legitimately be performed for them.\n>PIE is closer to Caucasus and even to Near Eastern languages than any Siberian dialects\nModern Siberian dialects are Finno-Ugric and have no relation to the EHG languages. Besides, PIE has nothing in common with Caucasian languages."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're wrong. Euskaro-Caucasus disprove this.\n>dene-yeniseian\nwho?\nThey are C or Q, and IE are known for R and I.\n\nsemitic speakers do descend from CHGs, but probably not linguistically."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nKurgan hypothesis is quite popular but it is not the consensus and it was never accepted as a valid theory"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Euskaro-Caucasus\nthe theory that gets instantly debunked in Mother Tongue journal when brought up?\n>tfw only arguement for this hypothesis is \"this looks like this and this sounds like this\""}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nWhy would the language of a warlike and patriarchal culture come from women?\nIdk man, ask the arawak kalinago (or island caribs)\nOr similarly ask the lemnians according to a greek chronicler."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Why would the language of a warlike and patriarchal culture come from women?\nMeant to put the meme arrows.\nThe point still stands. This phenomena of a warrior people getting linguistically wiped by the people they kidnapped their women from isn't unheard of. Its actually kind of funny."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nVery paradoxical and ironic faith."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>8\n>>in Bronze Age Mesopotamia, the elephant-word used in the Hurrian part of an Amarna letter of ca. 1400 BC, and the ivory-word (‘pîruš’) recorded in certain sixth century BC Old Persian documents, were all originally borrowed from ‘pīlu’, a Proto-Dravidian elephant-word, which was prevalent in the Indus valley civilization, and was etymologically related to the Proto-Dravidian tooth-word ‘*pal’ and its alternate forms (‘*pīl’/‘*piḷ’/‘*pel’). This paper argues that there is sufficient morphophonemic evidence of an ancient Dravidian ‘*piḷ’/‘*pīl’-based root, which meant ‘splitting/crushing’, and was semantically related to the meanings ‘tooth/tusk’. This paper further observes that ‘pīlu’ is among the most ancient and common phytonyms of the toothbrush tree Salvadora persica, which is a characteristic flora of Indus valley, and whose roots and twigs have been widely used as toothbrush in IVC regions since antiquity. This study claims that this phytonym ‘pīlu’ had also originated from the same Proto-Dravidian tooth-word, and argues that since IVC people had named their toothbrush trees and tuskers (elephants) using a Proto-Dravidian tooth-word, and since these names were widely used across IVC regions, a significant population of Indus valley civilization must have used that Proto-Dravidian tooth-word in their daily communication. Since ‘tooth’ belongs to the core non-borrowable ultraconserved vocabulary of a speech community, its corollary is that a significant population of IVC spoke certain ancestral Dravidian languages. Important insights from recent archaeogenetic studies regarding possible migration of Proto-Dravidian speakers from Indus valley to South India also corroborate the findings of this paper."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWhat about elamite? Or sumerian?\nThere is quite a bunch language isolates in the iran-caucasus-Anatolian area unassigned to any origin\n\nNortheast caucasian would be unassigned altough everything evidences it being a J2 chg language, kartvelian appears to be a G2a language. Afroasiatic is easily a E1b1b langiage\nElamite seems to be the J iranian language, while sumerian might be the J1, the Q language seems to be dene yenisean, altough there is also south and central american language families, indoeuropean is apparent to be R1b\nBut a couple unresponded things are left"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">workers had basically low wages and employees continued to be their masters\n>anybody who has a flaw woukd be killed\n>wont be able to entertain yourself\n>nazis make fun of weak children and that includes children with cancer and children that commit suicide\n>since nazis are militaristic they would be eager for bloodshed and would not stop even after killing every non-white\n>any science that conflicts with religion would be banned, that includes evolution, big bang theory, round earth and space travel\n>4chan would ironically get banned in nazi germany\nEverything about Nazi Germany sounds like the dreams of a far fetched psychopath. Only reason anybody would idolise nazism is because of hitler who is the #1 of the jews, and even then nobody cares to examine what would happen if hitler died and a tyrannical corrupt sucessor appeared in his place.\nGive me reasons for why Nazism is a good ideology and won't turn countries into sh*t; with a reminder that one relative of the Rothschild dynasty was kept in good condition compared to the german civilians and eastern europeans POWs that were treated significantly worse."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">workers had basically low wages and employees continued to be their masters\nthey eliminanted unemplyment and got out from great depression.\n>anybody who has a flaw woukd be killed\nlike?\n>wont be able to entertain yourself\nnooooo, muh pornerino\n>nazis make fun of weak children and that includes children with cancer and children that commit suicide\nsound like bullshit.\n>since nazis are militaristic they would be eager for bloodshed and would not stop even after killing every non-white\nthey literally allied with non whites\n>any science that conflicts with religion would be banned, that includes evolution, big bang theory, round earth and space travel\nhardcone nacsocs criticised christianity.\n>4chan would ironically get banned in nazi germany\nany con?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Don‘t forget every non-blonde, blue-eyed person would be killed, starting with Hitler jimself and a bunch of top-level Nazis."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>(Battle of the strawmen 2023 colorized)"}, {"id": 5, "content": "it was capitalism without the facade of egalitarianism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nwhat isn't capitalism?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>workers had basically low wages\nReal wages went up because of price controls and subsidies.\n>employees continued to be their masters\nNot really. It became far easier to sue employers and they were constantly on thin ice. A certain amount of profit was required to go either to charity or back into the industry. There were even laws for so called ''insulting workers honour''\n>wont be able to entertain yourself\nWhole lot of movies were made, mostly romance movies. There was also the strength through joy programme. They made extremely cheap radio's so everyone could have one. Hiking trails were opened everywhere, more vacation days were given, afterschool activities in the Hitlerjugend. Keeping the people happy, both through economics and recreation was in general their number one priority\n>anybody who has a flaw woukd be killed\nAs long as your flaw wasn't genetic it didn't matter. Take Goebbels not being able to walk well because one leg being shorter as a result of childhood polio. No one cared. Himmler even used himself as an example that physical appearance was less important than character.\n>nazis make fun of weak children and that includes children with cancer and children that commit suicide\nlmao. They were literally the most advanced nation in the world when it came to cancer prevention. Also Hitler's niece commited suicide remember. Eva tried it twice as well. They didn't make fun of that.\n>would not stop even after killing every non-white\nThey didn't care about white. They weren't white nationalists but nordicists. The permanent ''war'' was also going to be nothing more than border skirmished on the eastern front to make men stronger. They didn't give much of a shit about most of the world besides Europe and North America.\n>any science that conflicts with religion would be banned, that includes evolution, big bang theory, round earth and space travel\nThey were the main reason genetics became a big thing over racial anthropology in Germany"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>any science that conflicts with religion would be banned, that includes evolution, big bang theory, round earth and space travel\n....what\ndo you think the nazis were Amerishart evangelicals?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>they eliminanted unemplyment and got out from great depression\nLmao\n>\"The month after being appointed Chancellor, Hitler made a personal appeal to German business leaders to help fund the Nazi Party for the crucial months that were to follow. He argued that the experience of Weimar Republic had shown that \"'private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy.' Business was founded above all on the principles of personality and individual leadership. Democracy and liberalism led inevitably to Social Democracy and Communism.\" In the following weeks, the Nazi Party received contributions from seventeen different business groups, with the largest coming from IG Farben and Deutsche Bank. Many of these businesses continued to support Hitler even during the war and even profited from persecution of the Jews. The most infamous being firms like Krupp, IG Farben, and some large automobile manufacturers. Historian Adam Tooze writes that the leaders of German business were therefore \"willing partners in the destruction of political pluralism in Germany.\" In exchange, owners and managers of German businesses were granted unprecedented powers to control their workforce, collective bargaining was abolished and wages were frozen at a relatively low level. Business profits also rose very rapidly, as did corporate investment.\"\n>\"Real wages in Germany dropped by roughly 25% between 1933 and 1938. Along with the abolition of the right to strike, workers were also in large part rendered unable to quit their jobs. Labor books were introduced in 1935, and the consent of the previous employer was required in order to be hired for another job\".\n>*even stormfags debunk your argument to BS*"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>they literally allied with non whites\nYou poltroons never final to make me laugh at this one. Constantly criticizing Western nations for having spics and niggers in their military. As soon as someone calls Nazis big meanie racists you're totally for that though right?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>capitalism, but you can only do business when the state allows you to\nNot real capitalism, tranny."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>nooooo, muh pornerino\nIt's not that, it is about the internet, tv and vidya getting banned or censored because some new fuhrer feels it is too unnatural"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is it known who was the first one to inbreed?\nI mean did Adam fuck a daughter first or did Eve fuck a son first or did Able fuck a sister first?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAdam and Eve were the first humans i.e. specimen of the homo sapiens and their children interbred with the Neanderthals who were created before humans"}, {"id": 3, "content": "This is why porn needs to be banned"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I remember a pastor when I was young saying that following Adam, brothers married sisters and that it was okay. Until it suddenly wasn't."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNot OP, but can you blame a man for trying to understand the logistics of this shit?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Was Eve a literal MILF?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "God made other humans after Adam and Eve. They and their descendants are soulless."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nPeople unironically believe in intelligent design but don't have an answer for gingers."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nTrolling aside: Isaac la Peyrère proposed that other humans existed before Adam. By Christ's time, Adam's children had interbred sufficiently that we are all now his children."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nadam and eve had other children"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nI think most humans accept micro-evolution, as in mutations can happen within the species but they will always remain that species"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYou evolution nuts just call literally everything evolution then claim that proves all life shares a common ancestor and you don't see how that's faith not science. Then you call it science and force it on generation after generation of kid. Now we have retards thinking they can evolve into women if they mutilate themselves. It's time to stop."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>inbreed\nThey did no such thing. God gave one man for one woman and there was no promiscuity. Absolutely dogshit bait thread."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the dog doin?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\n>Until it suddenly wasn't.\nCain moved into the first cities with his wife where they lived like modern humans live today. They would age to be 12-18 and immediately have kids, and they started dropping like flies due to increased living indoors conditions and shorter lifespans before reproduction. They eventually caused a great amount of sin that was no longer natural and God flooded the earth.\nOver in the wilderness where Adam dwelt with his family, they lived to be 900+, and often not reproducing with a wife until 180-400 (Noah's Age).\nNoah did not marry until 400.\nSomething the modern day worldly devil believing zoomer would never understand. They think that you gotta meet girls fast, that is why government forces you to go to school and separate you from your family to break familial bonds (Jesus was not actually broken until he was 12, and he just wanted to hang out in God's Synagogue and tell people what he knew)."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nYou just activated my trap card"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nAdam's genes were perfect (being from Creation from dust by God) being 180 years old and still in youthful perfect condition. Although Eve had just been created, she would likely have just been set in a static state where her genes were also perfect, but not perfect enough to sustain humanity forever. The genes must inevitably fall because people aren't obeying God, and people can't obey God because Jesus Christ is our savior anyways and the point of that is to forgive accidents and if you do give birth then to just enjoy the fruit of the womb not to abort it.\nAs mankind's genes fell due to sin, people can still try to live a long time before having children, but Jesus Christ will ultimate resurrect everyone anyway and fix our genes as well as has already saved our souls.\nBut Jesus doesn't get in the way of anyone who wants to try and is still saved."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nThats a dog king"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW_ihJLRJU8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nThis doesn't solve the problem anon."}, {"id": 21, "content": "the replies make it look like an /x/ thread"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot a Christian, but in theory Adam and Eve didn’t have any mutations, so all of their offspring could reproduce with no problems. Given their long lifespans, they could have birthed several dozens of children. The grandchildren would have been able to reproduce. Within a few generations there may be a little potential for severe disorders but there would have been no limit to how many humans they could make."}, {"id": 23, "content": "I would propose genetic aging. Over the course of 100+ years, genes go through differentiation. After enough genetic differentiation, even identical twins can separate enough over time that they could reproduce with each other, and given the miraculous need if they were the only two people alive and if they were both one male and one female. WHich we know does exist because we have enough twins in the world these days and what they look like and who they become in old age that they are different people enough that this does exist."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>Not a Christian, but in theory Adam and Eve didn’t have any mutations, so all of their offspring could reproduce with no problems.\n>muh perfect specimens Adam & Eve\nGod wouldn't have provided a perfect man and woman only, this is why that isn't enough. God obviously provided a way for mankind to even reverse the effects of sin, He just knew people wouldn't do it.\nGod details the process out for you by giving you Spiritual Fathers. Abraham was 100 before he tried to have children, Noah was 400, Joshua was 120, Moses lived to be 40 every time something major happened and he moved somewhere else (80 or 120 before having kids). Same pattern is used over and over again.\nThe Jews were living in luxury when Jesus was born, and King Herod was committing fornication on the throne. Which is why God came to tell them it was over for the Jews."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nMuhammed is a false prophet MAINLY because he violates God's instructions on this very thing. Muslims resist to learn genetic differentiation through aging and want to make it even considered holy for a religious man to be a pedophile."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Christians clearly lacking a coherent answer on this one"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI answered it multiple times and I'm a christian, it is completely clear."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>expecting the Bible to list every single birth in the beginning\nAtheists are so dumb, they try to understand something God did through their scientifically-proven-false religion of naturalism/materialism. All they do is shit up this board."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nI just wouldn't want to mate with for example Andre the Giant's daughter when I get to be 120 simply because she isn't a christian, and because news of her reveals she thinks she would have to be a wrestler like her father when instead she should know that being a woman it's not the same.\nIt's not about genetic salvation, it's about salvation of the soul, and through that, our genes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Valentinianism vs Origenism: The first schools in Christian thought to debate one another over the problems of predestination and free will."}, {"id": 2, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndon't care, this is now an alchemy thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When an ax murderer asks you where your family is hiding, you ought not lie."}, {"id": 2, "content": "is there a categorical imperative to protect human life?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>a categorical imperative\nOxymoron. There is only THE categorical imperative."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nanswer the question"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt's a nonsensical question. There is only one categorical imperative, which is to act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe doesn't say that"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nKanties be seethin'."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would Kant want to make it a universal law to tell the truth to axe murderers? Can we not just follow a universal law to tell the truth to people who would not immediately kill your family?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nfine, be wrong\nsee if i care"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nRead On A Supposed Right to Lie From Altruistic Motives, kantchuds."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I think the point is that if you tell a lie in that situation, it is not based on morality, but on sentiment. Jesus Christ would not lie in that situation because he is the son of God. If we act based on short term utility, it's not differentiable from any other impulse and thus not moral. Part of the dialectic of Christianity is understanding we can't ever be godly and follow Categorical Imperative, as a godlike being could, yet we comprehend the challenge of Jesus Christ and our inferiority in the face of it"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n\nLying to serial killers is a maxim which should become a universal law, so it's good. Kant just used a bad example and this led to centuries of misunderstandings about deontology."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>which should become a universal law\nFor what reason? Because I can't see you not appealing to consequentialism here. Your interpretation would destroy the very distinction, because you can always specify the consequences so that when thus act has THESE consequences, it should be willed as universal. But Categorical Imperative is much harder than that, because according to it if the act in question contradicts itself on a universal scale, it is wrong, and since constant lying makes the idea of communication futile, it would be wrong always."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeĺlllllllll\n>to act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.\nIf you think that lieng is something that breaks this. Yes.. you should.\nBut he didnt say that. So you are wrong. He only postulated a framework, a programy by wich you can live. Not an addons (truthfull for example)."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYou don't understand the CI. Lying objectively violates it, it's not a matter of perspective."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou are right. I stand corected.\nBut what if you withold info to murderer?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThere's some debates over that actually. Most Kantians won't bite the bullet on the axe murderer."}, {"id": 19, "content": "He said nothing about Paltering"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nRefusing to answer is not lying. Neither is a half truth btw."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">refuse to speak to someone universally\n>communication becomes impossible\n>act negligently to human life universally\n>human life becomes impossible\nCategorical imperative is too autistic for its own good"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Run away from the axe murderer, chud"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nI once asked a priest if apsolute and only value can be truth. He said to me that no, but then proceded to tell me a story:\n\"Once a priest was aproached by bandits seeking people who owe them money. When asked if he is hiding them, priest responded by; puting his hands up his sleves and answering \"They are not here\"."}, {"id": 24, "content": "Rahab lied"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>act negligently to human life universally\nIf everyone were to follow categorical imperative, the situation would not even arise, so it does not make sense of \"everyone neglecting to protect others from murderers universally\", as if the existence of murdered was a logical condition of any universalizable state."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nSituations in which you can act negligently would still exist, though. Such as not maintaining a building you own, enabling a stone to slip loose and crush a man to death. I don't see the point of this argument though because it seems only to make the categorical imperative even more in the clouds and removed from the reality of human existence. The whole point of the categorical imperative is to tell me what I ought to do, but if everyone obeyed it talking about it in the first place would not be necessary. If I can't ask what I'm to do in X scenario, it has absolutely no value as a moral framework. I also see no reason why the argument could not be used to justify any violation of the categorical imperative whatsoever; the situation would not even arise if everyone followed the categorical imperative, so it does not make sense of \"everyone lying to protect others from being murdered\"."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nYeah the CI was considered massively autistic as soon as Kant postulated it, hence all the criticism."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>If I can't ask what I'm to do in X scenario, it has absolutely no value as a moral framework\nIt's not a technical guidebook, it's what you OUGHT to do. Whether you do it or not, that's always your free choice, but just conveniency of something is no argument for morality, as in that case morality is indistinguishable from arbitrary impulse.\n>Situations in which you can act negligently would still exist, though. Such as not maintaining a building you own, enabling a stone to slip loose and crush a man to death\nThat's basically equivalent to killing. If you refuse to lie, you aren't the one responsible for the act, but the killer himself is. If the building is your responsibility, then you are responsible for the deaths caused from any lack of maintenance, which conflicts with the command of not causing death. In this thought experiment you would not be the cause of death but the axe murderer would. There's a very clear difference.\n>I I also see no reason why the argument could not be used to justify any violation of the categorical imperative whatsoever; the situation would not even arise if everyone followed the categorical imperative, so it does not make sense of \"everyone lying to protect others from being murdered\".\nThere's still your own actions and choices, which could or could not lead to contradiction if universalized. If the latter, you are following the categorical imperative, if the former, not. So certainly the categorical imperative cannot be used to justify literally anything, unlike utilitarianism and consequentialism."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Whether you do it or not, that's always your free choice\nActually according to Kant it's a free choice if you sct according to the categorical imperative but you're not acting freely if you don't :^)"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThe existence of morality makes freedom even possible, yes, because otherwise it would all be just instincts. So your capacity to cognize Categorical Imperative throws you into the supersensible realm of freedom, and all humans have this working in the background of their perception anyway. The decision to follow Categorical Imperative must contain the possibility of not following it and the latter is not also possible in absence of moral framework."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nan axe murderer does not have a right to know therefore it is no malicious deception to tell him an untruth or nothing at all, thus not a lie."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nIt's not necessarily just about instincts, the main point is even more autistic than that.\nWith hypothetical imperatives, your thinking process is dependent on external variables. Like when you say \"I will study so that I'll pass the exam.\", your thinking process is not autonomous but rather dependent on external things like schools, grades etc.\nWith the categorical imperative, you're just applying a single rule that is a feature of reason regardless of any external variables. Should I steal? Act only according to blah blah blah... Should I lie? Act only according to blah blah blah... That's what makes it an autonomous and significantly free act. And of course this all ties into Kant's concept of humanity being defined by rationality.\nI have my criticisms of Kantian deontology, but I have to admit that this stuff is pretty neat."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’re not obligated to answer either"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nThe categorical imperative itself is an external thing. It does not arise from my own will. The logic used to justify it ironically degenerates into egoism."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nIs it a violation of the categorical imperative to answer?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\n>That's basically equivalent to killing\nWhy is negligence which leads to death [because falling rocks] equivalent to killing but negligence which leads to death [because aiding and abetting murder] is not?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nKant doesn't think the categorical imperative is something he made up, he thinks that it's a necessary consequence of rationality and thus implicitly inherent in every rational being."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAnd what did Schopenhauer and Nietzsche think of that?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate my family. If someone takes them all out I’m the sole inheritor. Where to find axe murderer?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nWho gives a fuck? You might as well say \"Kant is wrong because he's wrong\". Either he's right and your objection is moot or he's wrong but the relevant objection has to do with the logical soundness of his whole idea, not with the CI being \"external\" to you."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nThe point, idiot, is that the categorical imperative justifies itself because muh autonomy but muh autonomy does not actually lead to categorical imperative, it leads to egoism."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThat's a wrong way to build an objection to Kant, you should instead challenge his notion of defining humanity by rationality.\nThe CI is built as a rational system of an agent whose defining feature is his rationality, one that is arrived at using pure reason and that rules out certain actions based on the fact that if you slot them into this rule, they create logical paradoxes. That's what makes it autonomous - it's entirely self referential."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>That's a wrong way to build an objection to Kant\nI think I'll make whatever objection I like.\n>you should instead challenge his notion of defining humanity by rationality\nI do also reject that.\n>That's what makes it autonomous - it's entirely self referential.\n\"Dude, this thing makes you so autonomous and free\" so I can do whatever I want? \"No, you HAVE TO do this even though you wanted to do something else\" yes very self-referential, autonomous and free"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>36\nBecause in the latter case the murderer is responsible for the act, not you. It is however your duty, based on the categorical imperative, not to lie, just as it his duty not to kill. This is called agent-centred deontology."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nCan only one man have guilt in any given crime?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nI feel the need to clarify that who took up this convo is not me since I basically agreed with your post and with instinct I really made the same thing as you, but more with reference to Kant's conception of morals as a negative system that liberates one from slavery to various happinesses of external factors. Categorical Imperative posits freedom in distinction to this slavery to various fleeting and arbitrary pleasures.\nt. >>32"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nNo, since the case of a conspiracy, for example, is highly different from the example of the axe murderer. There, effectively all people want and act out what's wrong according to the Categorical Imperative, whereas in the murderer example only the murderer violates it if the person does not lie."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>33\n>denying information to the curious\nsounds like a bad categorical imperative to me"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes\nt. Took out insurance policies on every member of my family"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\nYou're free to make shit arguments of course.\nWhen Kant talks about autonomy, he's not talking about \"my body my choice\" and shit like that. He's talking about the ability to make moral choices without outside interference.\nIf the CI is broadly sound, then either humans are defined by rationality and the CI is thus an internal element of every human (rational) agent, or humans aren't defined by rationality and the CI is thus an external imposition by Kant that isn't consistent with autonomy.\nThe logical lines of attack are:\n1)CI isn't sound\n2)humans aren't defined by rationality and the CI thus isn't internal but external\nYou prove that the CI isn't consistent with autonomy by proving either if the two."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\nYeah I gathered as much."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>talking about the ability to make moral choices without outside interference.\nHow is the categorical imperative not outside interference when it contradicts my will?\n>the CI is thus an external imposition by Kant\nThe CI is external regardless of whether Kant is its origin because it is not identical my will\n>You prove that the CI isn't consistent with autonomy by proving either if the two\nI'm also proving it this way"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>47\nDoes aiding and abetting murder implicate you in that murder?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nYes, since abetting means encourage. There's certainly no encouragement in the axe murderer example, just an act of honesty."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n\"Where's your family, I want to use this axe to kill them\"\n\"Oh sure, here is their precise location\""}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWhere's the encouragement? You're just restating the premise of this difficult situation."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>52\nIf you are in essence a rational being and the CI is sound, it is an internal element of your person. Acting in conflict with the CI means that you are acting based on external factors rather than internal ones. If your will is in conflict with the CI, it is conditioned by external factors.\nUnless of course humanity is not defined by rationality, which is once again the smart way of tackling this"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nCI must be unsound then, since it is premised on autonomy which it does not follow from\n>>56\nI aided him in the act of murder"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nHow does it not follow from autonomy if humanity is defined by rationality?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nYou didn't encourage him though. If you had encouraged him to commit a murder, you would have in a certain sense intended the murder, and would bear moral responsibility. Seeing as you did no such thing, only he bears the moral responsibility for the murder."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nIt cannot follow from autonomy without being identical to the will\n>>60\nWhy do I need to cheer him on to share guilt with him? Why isn't it enough to assist him?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nIt can if your will is conditioned by external factors."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nYou yourself asked of aiding and abetting. Speaking of simply aiding, telling a lie would disrespect the humanity of your fellow man and lead to a contradiction when universalized. You would not treat as a full human being but as a means to an end, since by lying you would deprive him of information on basis of which he might make a free, moral decision, since it is possible he could see the light and decide not to murder anybody."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nThis is retarded"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nno u"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nHow?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nActing irrationally based on your interactions with any kinds of external factors."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nWhat is an external factor?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nIf humanity is essentially rational, then it's potentially anything outside the rational psyche."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nIs the will outside the rational psyche?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nNo, but it can be influenced by external factors."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nI fail to see how autonomy and the will can possibly be in contradiction. It seems to define autonomy as something other than autonomy. Autonomy means \"self-law\", yet this supposed autonomy is not a law which I have written? An entirely self-referential standard which somehow entails self-denial? Morally speaking, \"internal\" means the will, since that is the moral aspect of man. I cannot see how the influence of that which is outside of me causes my will itself to become external, or what these external factors possibly could be if they are beyond the mind. Perhaps the external thing is a beautiful woman, and it conditions the will towards rape, yet the desirability of the thing which moves the will is not external to myself nor is the motion of the will towards the immoral act external. It is the very expression of choice, rather than the repudiation of it."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“I refuse to answer your question. I am calling the authorities”\nBoom."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nThe axe murderer thought experiment assumes it is impossible to do that for the purposes of thought experiment"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nYou don't see the point because your description is already assuming that the essence of humanity isn't rationality. Yeah congrats, that's one of the ways of arguing against Kantianism. Which is what I've been telling you this entire time.\nIf the essence of humanity is rationality, then the movement of the will towards the fulfillment of a self referential rational law is necessarily autonomous.\nA decision that isn't self referential can be even something as simple as seeing a tasty looking bag of chips at the store and buying it. Your decision is entirely contingent on the fact that you saw a bag of chips.\nWith Kantianism, the decision is always the same - to follow the categorical imperative - and thus isn't contingent on anything. The rational agent and thus also the rational law is an end in itself. And because every rational agent contains the same rationality, Kantianism doesn't reduce to egoism. Treating the rationality within another agent as a means rather than an end in itself despite the fact that it's the same rationality as yours would be self contradictory."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nThen it’s a retarded experiment."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>the fulfillment of a self referential rational law\nThat's exactly the problem I've been having: how is it self-referential without deriving from reference to the self? The categorical imperative presents us with a set of moral statutes. \"Do x, do not X\". This is not self-referential if I did not write these statutes.\n>Your decision is entirely contingent on the fact that you saw a bag of chips.\nMy decision to tell the axe murderer the truth is contingent on him asking me where my family is\n>With Kantianism, the decision is always the same - to follow the categorical imperative - and thus isn't contingent on anything\nThis is not true because it is only true de jure. I cannot act outside of scenarios; outside of space and time. My choices are not made in an abstract realm. The choice to tell the truth and the choice to spare life may both be obedience to the categorical imperative but they are not identical to each other. The commandment is \"do not lie\" and the justification why is \"because of the categorical imperative\", thus the particularization of the categorical imperative is nothing more than a hypothetical imperative.\n>it's the same rationality as yours\nIt could only be the same if we were the same person."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>That's exactly the problem I've been having: how is it self-referential without deriving from reference to the self?\nIf the essence of humanity is rationality, then it is referring to the self.\n>My decision to tell the axe murderer the truth is contingent on him asking me where my family is\nThe morally relevant decision in Kantianism isn't \"tell the axe murderer the truth\", it's \"follow the categorical imperative\". Which is what you ought to do regardless of circumstances.\n>This is not true because it is only true de jure. I cannot act outside of scenarios\nSee above.\n>The commandment is \"do not lie\"\nThat is not the commandment, the commandment is the categorical imperative.\n>thus the particularization of the categorical imperative is nothing more than a hypothetical imperative\nWhich is why it's not the morally relevant thing. That would be following the categorical imperative.\n>It could only be the same if we were the same person.\nI'm talking about Rationality with a big R, not rationality as in \"it felt entirely rational to me at the time to buy that house\"."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck are you gonna do about it Kant? What if I fucking lie? What then? Huh??"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\n>If the essence of humanity is rationality, then it is referring to the self.\nMan is not an abstract bundle of rationality if that's what that means. Reason is something man does, not what man is.\n>The morally relevant decision in Kantianism isn't \"tell the axe murderer the truth\", it's \"follow the categorical imperative\"\nBut the actual decision that actually happens in a specific, particular, de facto way is telling him the truth. I'm gonna choose to \"follow the categorical imperative\". Ok, what does that mean? It means \"follow the categorical imperative\". But how do I do that? \"follow the categorical imperative\". If I'm in this scenario and- \"follow the categorical imperative\". This is meaningless noise unless it is particularized, it cannot be followed unless it takes some form like \"When an ax murderer asks you where your family is hiding, you ought not lie\". Until it is put into such a particular form, it will never be able to enter any scenario.\n>I'm talking about Rationality with a big R\nWhat does that mean?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>Reason is something man does, not what man is.\nIs reason what defines man as man? Can you be autonomous without reason?\n>\"follow the categorical imperative\". Ok, what does that mean? It means \"follow the categorical imperative\"\n\"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.\"\n>This is meaningless noise unless it is particularized, it cannot be followed unless it takes some form like \"When an ax murderer asks you where your family is hiding, you ought not lie\".\nI really don't know how else to reiterate that this isn't the morally relevant part. You could choose not to lie and it would still be morally irrelevant unless you did it to fulfill the CI. Why? Because the morally relevant action isn't your decision not to lie. It's the decision to act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.\nYou can keep strawmanning Kant's deontology if you want, but it's not going to get you any closer to refuting the real thing.\n>What does that mean?\nFormal logic, essentially. A syllogism doesn't stop being a syllogism just because it's being looked at by an Australian or a Korean."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>27\nThe categorical imperative is actually probably the least autistic ethical system because it takes into account the intent of the actor. Autists make no such distinction. Consequentialism is highly autistic."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">\"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.\"\n\nWhy can't I will a universal law \"don't tell deranged axe murderers where one's family is hiding\"?"}, {"id": 84, "content": "how about I tell the truth and kill the axe murderer?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nkilling violates the categorical imperative"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\neven if you are killing degenerates? the catholic church told me that was ok"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nkant was an agent of the devil so his moral system is antichrist"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\n\"We should kill people who kill for any reason other than fulfilling this rule\". There, it's consistent."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>who kill for any reason other than fulfilling this rule\nhypothetical imperative"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Christians write shit like this?\nAs if they weren't embarrassing themselves enough"}, {"id": 2, "content": "cry about it"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Let them have their fun. It's not like anyone else takes them seriously that isn't also drinking their Kool-Aid"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nLots of impressionable people could benefit from never being exposed to stuff like this"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLots of impressionable people could also benefit from not thinking men can be women, but gaytheists like you would disagree."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQuantum shills are a whole cottage industry of their own. It has nothing to do with Christians."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nabso fucking lutely implying that tranny support has anything to do with religious affiliation\nor shall i find you the piles of videos of cucked out \"pastors\" affirming LGBTQ faggots"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Damn, Dirk finally made it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrent free"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">christ bad he jew"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>jesus isn't rea-ACK"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jew good he Jew\n>every other Jew bad they Jew\nkikesicle worship is on par with tranny delusion in terms of incoherency"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nJesus Christs whole philosophy is that he’s a passive bitch who will turn the other cheek you larper"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nretard fantasy, Jesus lifted the cross alone, he was gigachad tier"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"christianity was a religion tailor-made for women and slaves\"\n>literally hides the fact that his wife believes in matriarchal witchcraft and profess the power of period-disposed placentas in rituals\nThere is no Humor but Paganism and Christian is its clown, by Allah"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>I drew Jesus as a muscle man and my enemies as effeminate\nTouche, I'm getting baptized first thing Sunday morning."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>literally hides the fact that his wife believes in matriarchal witchcraft and profess the power of period-disposed placentas in rituals\nHow does this detract from Varg? Women have their own spirituality innate to their biology and the natural inclination of their sex."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nthe fact that his wife believes in superstitious and non-traditional nonsense is a huge blow to his credibility concerning the sustainability of his religious beliefs, both pro-pagan and anti-christian."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis but unironically, OP is a mega fag"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>superstitious\nThat's what the Roman pagans called Christians"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nHis beliefs are separate from his wife and the difference is grounded in the way in which men and women think."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nbecause Roman paganism wasn’t even a religion, it was a publicly funded festival service"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>>12\nkeep coping, Varg's wife still thinks women should be the dominant power in both religion and the household and you cucks are just in denial. Varg can't even keep her from spurting bullshit on social media, what makes you think he's somehow this traditional archetypal man?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs Jesus Christ Ashkenaz ?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nSpeculation."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nin the Second coming He won't be like that no more"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\nWhy would a Hebrew born in Palestine have a Greek name and look white"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nTwo more weeks"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nTwo more weeks"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It pisses me off how disproportionally large the dome is compared to the rest of the thing."}, {"id": 2, "content": "it looks like a boob"}, {"id": 3, "content": "dullest megastructure concept out there"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Tasteless and horrible. Why couldn’t the Reich just embrace their germanic roots instead of pursuing YET ANOTHER roman LARP?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would have been a complete technical and aesthetic blunder. Only a completely psychotic retard could ever appreciate such a stupid piece of architecture. I can't believe such a thing was even taken seriously as a proposition even from Hitler himself. Just utterly absurd."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nStill waiting for someone to finally do Boullee’s designs."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame here. That's also why I'm too fond of picrel."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHow much would it cost to do this?\n>>7\nnot too fond*"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nSo glad Roland faggots destroyed it and Muslims now own it. Hahahaha gods “chosen” people got BTFO by boy fuckers and goat herders."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nYou haven't seen a whole lot of modern architecture of large buildings, have you?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nThat was the point"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWay better, right?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNot OP, and both are dumb, but I’ll take a circus tent over generic neo classical dome #72949."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYou realize a monument serves a different purpose than residential and business buildings? They're not built with aesthetics in mind."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nRetard, monuments often have, and almost always should, have aesthetics in mind. Many monuments are beautiful, and make the city there in look more beautiful. That said, I kind of like the circus tent looking building l."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAll notions seconded"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the success of a civilization really just measured in the ability not to step into what he calls \"Progress traps\"? From linguistics to culture to work and culture ethos, can it all be summed up to \"do not waste\"?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"Progress traps\"?\nwhat's that\nno I'm not reading your book donald"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nMr. Wright posits that civilizations are undone not because of external factors such as warring neighbors, nor because of societal unrest (thought that one might actually be a symptom), but because a civilization falls into a capital-wasting cultural trap: he cites examples of this behavior, like ancient Sumer, which taxed its irrigation system until it salinated the entire lower end of the Tigris and Euphrates, moving the core of mesopotamian economy to Assur, Nineveh and Babylon (which would repeat the same mistake, btw); the Mayan slash-and-burn agriculture and poor soils, ending their productive golden age with atrocious land-to-yield efficiency; and the Pascuans (to put into perspective a progress trap not centered around food, but another capital resource : wood), whom tore down their forests erecting Moais, with no way to possibly escape the island when the last log was either burned or used.\nHe argues that our global civilization, as complex and interdependent as it is, has no possible way to possibly escape a fall into a progress trap, or even a mean to attenuate the effects of those we might have already fell in, like oil and consumer culture."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>civilizations are undone not because of external factors such as warring neighbors\nExcellent primer, does a great job at communicating the author is a retard\n>like ancient Sumer, which taxed its irrigation system until it salinated the entire lower end of the Tigris and Euphrates, moving the core of mesopotamian economy to Assur, Nineveh and Babylon (which would repeat the same mistake, btw); the Mayan slash-and-burn agriculture and poor soils, ending their productive golden age with atrocious land-to-yield efficiency; and the Pascuans (to put into perspective a progress trap not centered around food, but another capital resource : wood), whom tore down their forests erecting Moais, with no way to possibly escape the island when the last log was either burned or used.\nFirst one is not like the others. Where does he think Babylon is? The region of Babylonia was just ancient Akkad and Sumer. Salinization was a result of irrigation yes but it can also be recovered from. Unlike the south Assyria had territory where rainfed agriculture was possible, they still irrigated where they could. And what does taxation have to do with it all?\nAlso there was no break of continuity from the ubaid period through the bronze age collapse into at least the hellenistic. unlike in Greece there was no dark ages just many empires rising and falling. Various lists of kings enable accurate dates into the 2000s BC the period when akkadians conquered sumerians. Cuneiform and old sumerian gods continued to be worshipped until the christian period when most of mesopotamia became an early christian center."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBabylonia is upstream from the centers of Ancient Sumer : Sipar and Kish, for example, are maybe lower than Babylon, but they are still at an appreciable distance of Nippur despite being situated in Babylonia proper.\n>The region of Babylonia was just ancient Akkad and Sumer.\nThat's a common misconception. The Sumerian heartlands, including Akkad were incorporated into the Babylonian sphere of influence and considered \"Babylonia\" because they had been depopulated and impoverished and finally conquered by the northerners. Akkad itself, despite being upstream, engaged into the same agricultural practices that weakened the city-states enough for it to establish the first empire.\n>And what does taxation have to do with it all?\nMaybe it was how I used the term. By \"taxing\", I meant overusing; though Wright explains that the distinction doesn't matter much as they overused it trying to create surplus, manpower and wealth necessary to commission and maintain public works that essentially ended up being template-d and recreated until their fields gave out from beneath their feet.\nAbout the \"no-break\" argument, Wright describes it more as a gradual process, as centers of Mesopotamian powers shifted gradually northward until the Mesopotamians, completely exhausted, depopulated and systemically inefficient, were conquered by the Persians, who pointedly did NOT rely on the Mesopotamians' institutions when it came to agriculture, taxation or religious operations (especially not entangling the three in a ponzi-scheme)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nis that bad management then? or does he consider it some sort of economical inevitability?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nFood abundance is like level 1 civilization, the reason tropical civilizations never escalated past this has to do with their culture"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Really wasn’t that fucking hard Christopher."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInstead of gulags, we have drag queen story time, four year olds on puberty blockers, the veneration of black criminals and the near total erasure of our privacy, civil liberty and genetic integrity."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYou bigot, who are you to interfere with their human autonomy?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhat I hate the most is you're not even allowed to play by their own rules. It's like those guys in 1984 that follow the party line so well they inevitably conflict with the future goals if the party due to the doublethink collapsing in on itself. So even if you follow the rules, follow them too well and you'll be shipped off.\nLike sterilization of the mentally ill is bad according to liberals but then it's okay if they're trannies?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Give me five objective morals I can live my life by. Please I just need five that I can follow. There can't be any doubt about what they mean."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only thing objective is the laws of physics."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Don't eat pig"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/t."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nBut all foods are permitted in the new testament"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nHow do I figure out if sleeping for 9 hours is slothful or not?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>How do I figure out if sleeping for 9 hours is slothful or not?\n\nQuestion of health"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIt's not objective if you can go around changing it, lol"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nSo I should be Hindu? Because that's literally the same thing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nI was kinda tiered, but I could've done with an hour less, no problem"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nsure if it helps you"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nYeah but Christians don't think they exist"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nSo it doesn't matter what religion I pick as long as I have rules in my life?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nyeah"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nWas I slothful or not? Hello?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nYeah but I'll go to hell if I sleep to much right?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Do what God says concerning your life on Earth as well as life on Earth irregardless of any other voice/thought/idea out there. Give back your life to Jesus who is the anointed one to be God on Earth so that you may receive what it takes to start living in Christ.\nKnow God's ways. Previous step is important because only God can show you things you don't know of that are of God.\nIf I tell you do good or eat veggies, that might switch up on you. Anything that is not God will switch up on you so I say all of this with accuracy and intentionality. Moving with God means adapting, dodging through obstacles, charging through situations, avoiding danger not \"I'll spam the same 5 moves against a competent foe\"."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThat depends do you feel like your body should rest longer ? if no its sloth\n\n>>16\nyou go to purgatory"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLove god more than your mom, love your neighbour, work, realize theres really nothing more in life than eating and being happy, sleeping"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>6\nDo you actually need it? Does it interfere with what you need to do for society? If not then it's fine"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccording to Job if you're virtuous you're objectively more likely to receive reward in life but it's not guaranteed."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust read da Jesus parts of the Bible. He lays things out pretty clear in action and word."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1 Accept Jesus Christ to be saved. (The good news) this also means you will die but at least be resurrected some day (2 more weeks) but hey you were promised eternal life.\n>the bad news\n>1. Immediately go to The garden or Eden’s location on earth. Take off all of your clothes and begin constructing the garden of Eden and living and eating and shitting and going into the river which you will have to put back together while tv camera crews and stuff follow you and Muslims riding donkeys try to find a way to kill you and Jews might just shoot you for no reason.\n>2. Die on your own cross there doing everything everyone says to get to your objective paradise.\nThere is variations of these extremes and obviously Jesus knew that and told you to look up for heaven’s fruit coming down to you just reach up and grab it. You can garden at your home but weather conditions on earth are so violent that it will die every year and civilization is also so polluted that it will be hard to keep people from annoying the shit out of you in your garden. But see, you will also need money, and knowledge of a trade of some sort in order to construct things in your home that are important. Like knowledge of computers gives you computer games you can play to pass the time while your garden is dead from winter. If you learn a trade in building houses like Jesus was a carpenter, then you could learn how to construct greenhouses. Then construct drip systems which only water it every 4 hours or so. Then your plants won’t die every year. As God said you need tree of life which produces 12 different stonefruits a year and is watered by the water of life. The river of life was a planetary wide constructed river which went all over the earth and back picking up minerals from all types of bodies of water amd feeding it into Eden’s garden. So when Adam fasted he just got in and didn’t feel all low blood pressure and about to faint. And there was no one else."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nContinuing with ideas people’s bodies actually need and they not getting now that I answered the thread.\nYou need either a sci-fi horror lab tube for your entire body to get in with a snorkel that alkalizes your body directly with low level but high enough electrical currents to actually alkalize ionize your entire body down to the deepest regions of your blood and atoms.\nThis will reignite your bones and blood and actually begin growing again, give you perfect looking skin like the engineers in the alien movie Prometheus or whatever. Probably like a dolphin’s skin. So then you will want to get out once you achieve bone aliveness factor and actually get in the sun to make the skin actually glow white like Jesus in heaven.\nAs in actually worship your own body as God."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYou need to actually experiment with sacrificed goats, cows, and sheep blood and find out like a High Priest of God actually found out about bathing in blood (they used to start small, such as dipping some on the ear, or the toe, but the King such as Solomon or David could do whatever they want and just get into a bathtub). Science has no experimentation with this because they too afraid to do it or test the effects of it to make it public knowledge what it does."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThis one is kind of a no brainer everyone already knows it and it very popular. You need to construct drones that can pick fruit off the tree and strawberries and throw away moldy bad ones and the like but not allow AI to control humanity or to become the sin of death for humanity on earth."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe funny thing is God already thought of all these ideas first and already tried them and wrote them down in the Bible. Here's another one, the Bible talks about planetary wide geoengineering or \"geoscaping\" in which Israel gets completely raised on a hill that controls all the weather perfectly with walls of New Jerusalem made of transparent diamond gold and the city never goes to sleep at night or even has night.\nLike nowadays even Wal-Mart closes at night now, we still think of Wal-Mart like that it never closes and is open 24/7."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nThe reason Wal-Mart closes now is because Jews found out they can't actually go to heaven with their antichrist elitist worship of theirselves and persecution of goys outside of their elitist cliques. Basically God didn't let them go to heaven because they didn't accept Jesus Christ as Savior."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo not kill\nLove God\nDo not steal\nDo not lie or deceive\nDo not condemn somebody if you cannot pass the same test"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Do not kill.\nDo not steal.\nDo not lie.\nDo not commit sexual misconduct.\nDo not consume intoxicants."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Do not consume intoxicants\n\"Wine cheereth God and man.\" -- Judges 9:13.\nWine is a gift from God to cheer the hearts of men -- psalm 104:15\n\nOver indulgence in alcohol is a problem tho. Also, using anything other than alcohol is a problem."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\n>Do not kill\nHow about if someones raping my kid?\n>Love God\nIs Jesus God or...\n>Do not steal\nChristians should have all possessions in common right?\n>Do not lie or deceive\nAbraham deceive the Pharaoh and gave his wife pretending she was his sister\n>Do not condemn somebody if you cannot pass the same test\nLol ok"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>Do not commit sexual misconduct.\nIs buying a female slave ok? Exodus 21\n>Do not consume intoxicants.\nJesus did"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\nSo I should cut my balls off and hate my parents?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>How about if someones raping my kid?\nAbsolutely not. If you kill him then you send him straight to hell. That mourns God. Do you want to mourn God? Why not just push the attacker off and get away with your kid?\n>Is Jesus God or...\nNo, Jesus said he wasn't God.\n>Christians should have all possessions in common right?\nThat's only a popular way Christians typically lived in the early days. It's not commanded of us. But charity is.\n>Abraham deceive the Pharaoh and gave his wife pretending she was his sister\nYes Abraham did a lot of things wrong. He was forgiven.\n>Lol ok\nAnything else? Sounds like we're done here."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>Why not just push the attacker off and get away with your kid?\nWhat if he's armed with a gun idiot? If I don't shoot now he'll kill me and rape my kid to death my god this is what Christ cuckery does to the mind\n>No, Jesus said he wasn't God.\nA zillion objective moralizing Christians disagree\n>It's not commanded of us\nLuke 18:22\n>Abraham did a lot of things wrong\nNo one said it was wrong that's your subjective opinion"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nNot that anon but\nProtoss don't have a penis and I have never seen a girl protoss. Their Archons have to go to a special magic wizard school where they train to be permanently gay married (by the soul, too) to another templar. But how they reproduce is apparently by test tube."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>If I don't shoot now he'll kill me and rape my kid to death\nChristian societies deemed that self-defence. It's still less than perfect so an example of our inherent sinful nature which we should strive to overcome."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEat food\nDrink water\nBread\nCreate\nDie"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Christian societies deemed that self-defence.\nSubjective interpretation\n>It's still less than perfect so an example of our inherent sinful nature which we should strive to overcome.\nWhy? It's either or? One you let him keep raping and possibly kill you, two, you shoot the bastard"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nBased"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>Subjective interpretation\nAll statements rest on subjective interpretation, logic is reproducible but rests on things like the agreement that both parties accept the same basic premises of logic.\n>It's either or?\nYou're justified. In the extreme hypothetical you're very well justified but nothing is really like that with only two possible outcomes. Maybe you can shoot him in the leg, maybe you can stall longer and the cavalry happens to come a second later. Needing to kill a man is a failure."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>28\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph5x6e08QQM [Embed]\nHomeworld is about Jews forced from earth to alien planet stranded until they have to nearly die getting back home."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>All statements rest on subjective interpretation, logic is reproducible but rests on things like the agreement that both parties accept the same basic premises of logic.\nCorrect. objective morality is impossible unless God speaks directly in your ear. If people want to claim that God speaks directly to them and they can hear his commandments and what not, l'm not going to disagree with them but I don't hear s***."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>objective morality is impossible\nWe say logically reproducible statements have objective properties. They at least relate to some part of reality somehow that can be represented in many mediums including minds and transistors and billiard balls.\nSo I can make objective statements given a qualifier, like if x then y. Like if you want to survive then don't walk off a cliff. This is an example of an objectively true statement that should guide your behaviour. More abstract kinds of guiding statements like this became thought of as a different category because of political history, not any good logic. There's no important difference. Our moral sense evolved as an adaption to reality and our cultural ideas evolved on top of that."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>So I can make objective statements given a qualifier, like if x then y. Like if you want to survive then don't walk off a cliff. This is an example of an objectively true statement that should guide your behaviour.\nNot exactly, because words can never describe the exact physical situation you might be in. If you tell someone don't walk off a cliff how about if they're getting chased by a bull? What if there's water underneath the cliff that they can jump into? If you use words then you have to get specific to an insane amount of detail but even then you're not going to cover all the different possibilities. That's why you have books like a talmud because Jews believe in objective morality that are insanely autistic and ridiculous."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>how about if they're getting chased by a bull\nWords rely on common traditions where in this case I expect you to convert the example into the isolated model it references which can be reproduced in computers like mentioned, you're adding qualifiers which redefines the context, you're modelling a different situation."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How was church?\nDid you read John 10 and psalm 23 today?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou never answered my question.\n\nDo Congregationalists suck of Martin Luther as much as you or is that a personal thing?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"How's your relationship with God\" is a more important question to ask every week than to ask about some building."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPlease keep your homosexual frustrations to yourself"}, {"id": 5, "content": "It was good, important, topical, powerful, life-changing and online. God is my lifeline so it's always sweet to hear from him that way and receive oil from his house. Psalm 23 talks about oil also, yeah? You see stuff people like such as mushrooms and that's good but Jesus is the good shepherd who lays down his life for his sheep not hired hands or someone who just leaves you there like…"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine having ten different churches in your town for the ten gorillion denoms.\nI don't have to, unfortunately."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I was at work and forced to watch catholic mass with my coworker"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\noh the humanity"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe read John 10 yes. How did you know?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nLectionary"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did you read John 10\nNo because john was a faggot"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nThe church service isn't a building, brother..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nWhy are you working on the Lord's day?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "The sermon today was about 1 Corinthians 12."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nWe had an Anglican minister today doing pulpit supply so that explains it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>John 10\nJohn 10:31-37 is very interesting because Jesus explains how he's not God in any way more shape or form than you and I are. He is accused of making himself out to be God, and instead of acknowledging that and agreeing with his accusers, he defends himself. He cites Psalm 82 in asking them \"are you not elohim as well?\"\n\nSo hopefully your church discussed today how Jesus is not God, and it is blasphemous to keep insinuating otherwise. I don't know how he could have made it more clear in the hundreds of times he explained how he wasn't God, but some people refuse to believe him on the issue."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nNot him, but the Lord's day is not Sabbath. And our Sabbath is in Christ now."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How was church?\nAlright.\n>Did you read John 10 and psalm 23 today?\nYes."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPsalm 138 and John 16:16-22"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">jews are inferior even doe we use them in our ideal german manifests"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You're referring to the leftwing paper that printed Goldboys face. Believe it or not, the proof of that magazine means that the Nazis had freedom of speech. Ironically, more than liberalist governments today."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nNo proof Werner Goldberg or whatever his name was even existed btw"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou didn't have to stretch/flatten Goebbels skull.\nWhy the fuck is Goebbels the only guy in the nazis who gets his picture unsubtly modified in Photoshop."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nit just prove the germans to be ugly unlike jews"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Stop using this FAKE image, pic related is the real image"}, {"id": 7, "content": "What gave so many Nazi officials the mongoloid look? You'd think they have downsyndrome."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>guh-bells\n>lifts bar-bells\n\nWhat did they mean by this?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nLiterally just an epicanthal fold."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nSaved!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nSounds very non-Euro. Asiatic, one could say."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>Heydrich, initially a frail and sickly youth, was encouraged by his parents to exercise to build up his strength. He engaged his younger brother, Heinz, in mock fencing duels. He excelled in his schoolwork at the secular \"Reformgymnasium\", especially in the sciences. A talented athlete, he became an expert swimmer and fencer. He was shy, insecure, and was frequently bullied for his high-pitched voice and rumoured Jewish ancestry. These rumours increased after his maternal uncle Hans Krantz married a Hungarian Jew named Iza Jarmy. However, the family maintained cordial relations with the Jewish community; many Jewish students attended the Halle Conservatory, and its cellar was rented out to a Jewish salesman. Heydrich was friends with Abraham Lichtenstein, son of the cantor."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nthis is a jew lmao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWith faces like this, the alliance with Japan becomes very understandable."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHeinrik Himrer-san"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Shitskin thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nEpic cope"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminder the most racist chuds who talk about genocide and inferior races are the ugliest, most dysgenic people in real life"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\nyou literally have a deadly neurological disorder ravaging your race because you are so inbred."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jews are inferior\nYes."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nGot'eem"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nHitler loved shitskins though. He even had black soldiers. Isn't that your epic comeback when someone calls Nazis racist?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Isn't that your epic comeback\nFuck off and take your meds."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nThis. For the love of everything decent, someone hold him down and I'll tilt his head back. It's meds time."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nhow is he ugly?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\ntatar admixture means his ancestor did assimitaled tatars"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>2\nbtw the Berliner Tageblatt, which published the Goldsteinblattwitz photo op, was so Jewish that none other than Theodor Herzl called it one of the \"big Jewish newspapers\" in Germany"}, {"id": 28, "content": "one on the right is the original goebbels"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\nKek"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>7\n>hi fellow white people. how about those big nose kikes?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Based or Cringe?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Apparently the Vietnam War killed more people than the 200 years worth of Crusades did."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Cool, I like wars where I'm not the loser, but you do you I guess"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Bow to the pope and hand over your bible, citizen."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWhat about the Iraq and Afghanistan crusades"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThe message in itself? Yeah, pretty right, Muslims were not saint either.\n\nPaxtube? Badly hidden fascist propaganda"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Paxtube\n>fascist propaganda\nThanks, I'll check them out."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Muslims were not saint either\n>Implying the crusades were a bad thing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>imposing modern moral framework on people who lived in a completely different era and had a completely different moral system\nLiterally slave morality. I hate people who do this"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nMorality has never changed because all morals come from an unchanging God, the same unchanging God that has condemned the catholic cult as the persecuting beast power from prophecy and the whore of babylon from revelation."}, {"id": 12, "content": "The Middle-Eastern Crusades were morally not unjustified. The pearl clutching about the Crusades is weird and I never encountered it IRL, living in a country that participated in them.\nHOWEVER, that doesn’t change the fact that the way the Crusaders went about them was retarded. The initial Crusade was successful, Jerusalem was captured and the Outremer States were established in the Middle-East. However, in the end they were not only failures because Jerusalem was lost and so were the Outremers, but in the end some Crusades were actually insanely counterproductive to the Christian goal (most famously the Fourth Crusade). You can actually count the Reconquista among these, justified Crusades, with the Reconquista being the only successful, lasting one. Both Muslims and Christians conquered back and forth, so pretending the Christians were bad for this is laughable.\n\nThe “European” Crusades, meaning for instance the Albigensian Crusade, the Livonian Crusade, and the Northern Crusades in general were unjustified Wars of Christian aggression."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNah europeana had no business in the middle east\n>but spain\nLiterally barely islamic whitoid visigoths"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy does he look like some kind of virgin mary? Is the holy cuckerino that important to christcucks?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>The “European” Crusades, meaning for instance the Albigensian Crusade, the Livonian Crusade, and the Northern Crusades in general were unjustified Wars of Christian aggression.\nIf the \"poor Albigenses\" had persisted, they were corrupted the well being of societies around them. They ultimately hated the \"flesh\" and thought existence here undesirable. Some of their followers willfully commited suicide by starvation and taught others to do so. Marriage was also tied to the earth, and undesirable. Men and women were taught to leave their families or engage in fornication and concubinage, as that had no ties. They abhorred even birth among animals. To hell with these dudes. They deserved it. lol"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nSome irrelevant peasant rebellion in China killed more people than the whole Two Hundred Years War between England and France. What:s your point?\nDo you understand proportionality?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\n>Waste lives fighting over useless land that you fail to hold substantial areas of for more than 80 years"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt's good land actually. But they had no support for any viable occupation. It was madness. Not even the modern world's armies have shown to do it well."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWhat's good about it"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nDespite the arid desert in the region, Palestine itself is full of underground water networks and always been good farmland. It's an oasis in the desert. Although it doesn't sound like the crusaders were the farming type. Most of them were nobles and thug armies out there as penance."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo, I already have a couple problems with this video. Pax tubes characterization of trade in the Mediterranean is inaccurate. According to Jonathan Harris's book \"Byzantium and the crusades\" Harris states that by the 11th century (right before mazikert) The byzantine empire was experiencing an economic trade boom thanks to its core areas and constantionples position as a gateway between the east and west. Arabs caliphates traded spices and goods frequently to and from byzantine and markets in the west. Arabs even had a merchant quarter within Constantinople.\n\nInfact some of the most damaging raiders within the region were christian. Nearly 10 year after the battle of manzikert the byzantines were dealt a huge blow by christian forcers under the normans. While Manzikert was going on the Normans outsted the Byzantines from italy and raided greece for plunder. You seem to leave this out of your narrative when it was a focal point of byzantine military failurs and decline.\n\nAlso his source only mentions the Mediterranean being a no mans land in the 9th century. This time was about the beginning of the end between the conflict between really violent and total conflicts between byzantine empire and the arab states neighboring it. According to Paul Markham article \"The Battle of Manzikert: Military Disaster or Political Failure?\" Markham notices that it was during the rein of Manuel II during the 9th century which started the reversal of its failures in the east. Manuel took advantage of the political turmoil within the abbasid caliphate, and citing Harris again, the Byzantines manage to get concession of recognitions over its dominance in the east. Trade in the Mediterranean was less than before, but to characterize and attribute some global depression to the Islamic caliphates is not fair. Market trade had been going down steadily even before the fall of the western empire. And these things affected these states aswell, just less so."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nCont.\n\nPax tube's characterization of Manzikert is simplistic at best. If your narrative is that the islamic caliphates were hell bent on conquoring and subjagating christian people than its not a good example. The leader of the turkick force actually let go of the emperor he capture and made few demands for territory, he was more conerend with his muslim rivals in Syria than conquoring Byzantine lands. The turkick tribes which migrated in only did so once the byzantine court exploded into civil war, and was on a two front war with other christians in the west. This isn't unlike the migration into the west by barbarians, to attribute military expansion as a power vacuum as part of this collective jihadist zeal will require a bit more effort and analysis.\n\nSo cringe I guess."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">actually venice sacking Constantinople was BASED!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "let's have a /hi/ humor thread"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is a holocaust joke, isnt it?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>he doesn't know about Ea-Nasir"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nanni is a liar, do not believe a word he says.\nWho's Nanni? kek"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>1750 BC"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nMore of these pls."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThe guy he sold shitty copper to. He sent his servant to complain about the quality and Ea-Nasir apparently acted like a dick about it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThis is slander. Who put you up to this? Ea-Nassir produces the best copper in the world and you are clearly being dishonest."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nKek I didn't notice that"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nLost at the arbuja"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nThis is one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\npseudointellectual."}, {"id": 13, "content": "does anybody have that trollface image about Pol Pot that was something like\n>step 1: radicalize yourself\n>step 2: smash babies skulls against the concrete\n>step 3: ...\n\nI don't remember where I saved it"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\nthis is like saying dressing up as Churchill and making fun off him by selling burgers is an anti-Indian sentiment"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nCongo genocide is fake."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nredpill me"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nCringe"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\n>liao emperor\nDeserved it for fucking off so far away."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Reddit tier memes and anti nazi propaganda. Well done..."}, {"id": 20, "content": "Horrible thread."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nthis happened?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown\n>Delete this, pleb!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nbasically belgians hired congolese tribes to police the rubber plantations but they turned out to be literal cannibals who went on a power trip against ribal tribes. All the muh hand cutting was done by corrupt black congolese guards and belgians actually dindu nuthin (or so they claim)"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Did any of the genocides happen?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nNo, only White Genocide is real."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\n>what the fuck are Husserls\nHe was a late 19th/early 20th century Austrian phenomenologist. He's basically irrelevant unless you're very into the nerdiest end of academic philosophy and even then he's kind of niche."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\nWhy didnt he just publish it himself? Its the 21st century."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>unknown\n>450k\nHoly shit. My student debt is 19k and I didn't spend most of it and government paid 40% of it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\nI kek'd"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>unknown\nfun-fact:\nscythians did this, and apparently also celts like some times also did this\nthe rabbit hole is probably deeper than that and points to an ancient steppe tradition"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n\nwell its not like its not a obvious idea, its shaped like a cup, its got a cup like hollow part, you just cut off the top and there it is, a cup"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nThe aghori in india still do this, just upside down, with the top of the cranium being the 'bowl' part instead"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>with the top of the cranium being the 'bowl' part instead\npretty sure that's how everyone does it, but don't quote me on that"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\nyeah, I know, that's what I said too, what I think is that:\n>>unknown\nis a common misconception by artits, but I could be wrong"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\nhirohito was a good boy, he got to heaven"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>unknown\n>create fresh and interesting conflicts\n\nChallange accepted.\n\n>Saudi Arabia now contains the Shiite parts of Iraq\n>Small Sunni state in the middle, guaranteed to go irrendentist\n>Syria and Jordan united for even more ethno-religious division\n>Rump Kurdish state that doesn't even include half of Kurds\n>Lebanon with fucked-up borders to ensure Christian majority\n>Oman and Yemen united for no reason\n>Mecca and Media occupied by Western powers\n>Greater Israel\n>Wilsonian Armenia\n\nI didn't touch Egypt and Iran, any suggestion on how to fuck them up even more?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>27\nProlly wouldn't have helped even then with the money issue"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>unknown\nkekked"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://youtu.be/j-Qu3Gl3SI4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>I didn't touch Egypt and Iran, any suggestion on how to fuck them up even more?\nJust let them bee themselves, they’ll do well enough"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>any suggestion on how to fuck them up even more?\n\nSea access to the Kurds, naturally."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>unknown\nIm surprised they didn't lynch her"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>19\n>>20\n(You)"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\nmaybe he is too autistic to know how to self publish"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>unknown\nI thought they had no concept of land ownership?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nImma side with Kaiser Willy on this one, DESU."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>26\nWtf are you on about, Husserl is like the 3rd or 4th most impactful philosopher of the 20th century, very fucking far from niche. There are many prominent professors who do Husserl research, both in America and on the continent"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>36\nhahahahaha you would have to kill every single muslim before you even manage to take Mecca, give us all of Iraq and Arabia and Egypt, Iran fags can fend for themselves, no Israel obviously or any mongol or turk rape baby claiming to be arab"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>unknown\nkek who is laughing now, most of south France is algerian now"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>2\ni see what you did there"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's actually Kyōto and Tōkyō, ō being a long vowel, o being a short one."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>36\nSplit Egypt in half along the Nile. East and West Egypt."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nIsn't Israel's Biblical claim on the Eastern Egypt?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>unknown\n>inspector lestrade instead of inspector abberline\nshamefur dispray"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>unknown\n\nOh. Gosh. Are they suggesting that different ethnicities can't live together in harmony? That's like, super, SUPER problematic."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>36\nfixed that for you"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>unknown\nMilton was an anti-trinitarian."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>42\n>Im surprised they didn't lynch her\nWhy?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnew christcuck meem just dropped, enjoy\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>unknown\n\"That's not my department\" says Wernher von Braun"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>55\nI miss reddit"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>unknown\nI love this nigga so fucking much."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>unknown\nThe blue bars on the Israeli flag represent the natural borders of Eretz Yisrael: the White Nile and the Indus."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm a Pakistani and I like Mughal and Ottoman Empires. I think they were the peak of Islamic and Steppe history."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Counting Ottomans as a nomadic tribe after they've already settled\nDumb move but neat map. I like the Mughals."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis why I hate pakis"}, {"id": 4, "content": "you will never be turk. anyways, op is maybe indian. those paki-indian pajeets love bringing turks out of nowhere to their feud cuz some turks converted indians to islam."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAssuming you're any shade of punjabi, how does it feel knowing you're venerating peoples/ideas that see you as an irredeemable subhuman? Not trying to be rude here just curious."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWow amazing post, I am so glad you like it. Got anything actually interesting about it to add to the thread you little faggot?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey permanently destroyed the islamic world though, not exactly the type of people muslims should admire."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>you will never be turk\nNeither will you ;)"}, {"id": 9, "content": "> lul"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do Pakistanis love Turkey so much?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nNot OP, but it’s hardly like idolizing empires that viewed your ancestors as barbarians and inferior is something new. Hell, I’m an Irish-French-Anglo mutt, and I have a great deal of respect towards Rome and Alexander’s Empire."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nTurkey supports Pakistan in the Kashmir issue. It's the only one of the major sunni Islamic naitons to do so. Rest ignore it because of economic interests in India.Though they seem to forget about the Islamic development loan Saudis keep giving them without any interest rates. It's standing at 1 billion dollars if I recall correctly. They also send many workers to gulf nations while Turkey doesn't have that much share in their diaspora workforce."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nWell the thing is that you are a \"white\" American and see them as fellow \"white\" people. Turks are closer to Russians than Pakistanis and other South Asians. Do you have the same respect for Chinese? They also saw everyone else as Barbarians and had great achievements rivalling if not surpassing Rome during the Tang Dynasty."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Well the thing is that you are a \"white\" American and see them as fellow \"white\" people.\nNah. I try not to apply modern notions of race to the past cause that’s a retarded thing to do. And yes, I have a good deal of respect for the Chinese civilization, despite their self centeredness. Being surrounded by steppe niggers and jungle monkeys, I understand, though disagree with, their ego."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Turks are closer to Russians than Pakistanis and other South Asians\n>>14\n>despite their self centeredness. Being surrounded\nsamefag nigger, kill yourself cuck"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nPakistan was ruled by turks for almost 1000 years. If you're going to mock them (and you should) you may as well mock the buckbroken armenoid anatolians larping as turks"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nHe and I are different people."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why isn't the day Gaydolf Shitler blew his brains out an international holiday?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChuds aint going to be happy with this OP"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Why isn't the day Gaydolf Shitler blew his brains out an international holiday?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he made a deal with the West. Why don't you study something instead of just raging on imageboards, bro."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">aint"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasedolf Chadler was a great humanitarian hero that led the decolonization process, hes a friend to all of us brown people."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I still don’t understand why he didn’t just kamikaze into the enemy line. He wasn’t afraid of dying but he chose to do it in such a lame way."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI thought white genocide was a right-wing conspiracy, why is a PoC praising the person who killed more whites than anyone else in history?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "There's literally no evidence he committed suicide while there's evidence he actually escaped."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause over time we realized he was right about the Jews"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRent free"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n\nPlease provide the evidence he escaped. Hard mode: not posting FBI reports following up on rumor and finding nothing."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nvery cringe bait post"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>11\n>>13\nWhy are you fags so fucking easy to get your buttons pushed. Just don't seethe.\n>>6\n>>10\nBased resident thirdies taking nothing on the internet seriously."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nProbably worse if he escaped desu.\n>claims to worship the Fatherland\n>flees like a coward in its darkest hour\nAt least blowing your brains out on its soil is a little more dignified. Not much tho."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause that never happened"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek saved"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>mass replies\n>\"you guys are raging not me11!!!\""}, {"id": 19, "content": ">he killed himself\n>can we see it?\n>….no\n\nHmmm"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIm not a fan of Hitler anon. It's just embarrassing that grown ass men in here take shit posts personally. No one here is probably even German."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the biblical story of jewish enslavement complete and total fiction, or were the jews actually enslaved somewhere before the times of Exodus and they just mistakingly thought it was Egypt? Most scholastic sources Ive reviewed say that there is no archeological proof of the jews ever being in ancient egypt, furthermore the pyramid builders were all paid employees.\n>pic: i dont have a relevant pic so have a funny instead"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews weren't enslaved in Exodus. Jews aren't even mentioned once in Exodus."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Most scholastic sources Ive reviewed say that there is no archeological proof of the jews ever being in ancient egypt\nThe key word here is \"jews\". Israelites became a tribe after mount Sinai, before than they were a mixed multitude. Secular scholars and atheists initially conflate the two so they can get away with saying that \"jews\" weren't in Egypt, which is technologically true but intellectually dishonest. Which is typical of them on biblical matters.\n\nLook up the Kamose and Ahmose victory stelas. Both of them record the capturing and enslavement of Asiatics."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nha ha ha le master troll!!1 xdddd rotfl!!\n>>3\nInteresting, thank you."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nOh ok you meant that as rhetorical bait for what >>3 said, fair enough. Honestly thougu Im a pol chud so as far as Im concerned ALL jews throughout all history are satan and saturn worshipping paganists so whatever\n>what about Jesus?\nJesus is Christ, therefore He is a Christian. The majority of jews rejected him, Im sure you all know this and surely no one would be as stupid to bring it up considering \"king of the jews\" was used as humiliation against him\n>plus a literal fucking crown of thorns"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were enslaved in Egypt... when Egypt conquered Palestine.\nThe first mention of Israel comes from an Egyptian inscription something like:\n>The land lays waste and the seed of Israel is not"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe word for \"asiatic\" and \"slave\" were was same word in ancient egyptian and coptic language\nWhat does that mean for this theory?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>these jews didn't like that jew so he's not a jew and they're not REAL jews and we wuz jews\nThis is such disingenuous horseshit."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFunnily enough, Columbia clothing was started by a Jewish couple"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>jews\n>israelites\nlol"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBunch of times, assyria, babylon, the list could go on."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nok rabbi."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nIm aware and this makes it even funnier for me actually.\n>>11\nI asked about Egypt explicitly thanks."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nDid you tag the wrong person? Did you mean to tag >>3 ? Because the OP is asking a question not making a theory.\n>>10\nCare to elaborate your view? Im honestly not sure if youre agreeing the jews were never in egypt or are saying israelites=/=jews"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>>14\nI meant **or are saying israelites=jews"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nI literally do not care about semitic infighting"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nIt's referring to Assyria.\n\n>>10\nNeither are ancient."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the ancient Libyans and their allies, but the last three of the 28 lines deal with a separate campaign in Canaan, then part of Egypt's imperial possessions. It is sometimes referred to as the \"Israel Stele\" because a majority of scholars translate a set of hieroglyphs in line 27 as \"Israel\". Alternative translations have been advanced but are not widely accepted.[3]"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe text is referring to Assyria. It does not say Israel"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nYet here you are, wasting digits."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The First Bank of the United States was our second central bank created in 1791. I read that 20% was inital capital was held by the US government but that 80% was held by foreign investors. Who exactly were those foreign investors? Everything I read just glazes over it without further detail. Also any historical information on central banks in general and reading suggestions would be appreciated."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nI would guess it was royal families and duch east india company\nBut what do i know"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWho were the royal families of the dutch east india company?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n\nThe duch east india company was a duch company\nThe royal families were other people"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>2\nTheres that whole story that the brittish royal family still takes interest for all land and realeastate on the entire territory of the former 13 colonies"}, {"id": 6, "content": "I find it hard to believe such foundational history is so obfuscated. Is there no document that list the shareholders who purchased the IPO subscriptions? And short of that why isn't there a paper trail of who received interest payments from the US government? That seems like it should be basic public knowledge or history. There's gotta be something right?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Despite the protests about its constitutionality from Democratic-Republicans, the BOTUS was created in 1791 and chartered for 20 years, a key plank of Alexander Hamilton's financial system. When the bank's charter expired in 1811, it was renewed for another 30 years, ironically by President Madison who had opposed its creation originally. This set the stage for Andrew Jackson's crusade against the Second BOTUS, renewing Thomas Jefferson's original objections to its constitutionality. There was also a political reason for it--the Bank remained a lingering center of Federalist influence in otherwise Democrat Pennsylvania that Jackson wished to remove. It should be stated that Jackson had some degree of pragmatism surrounding the Bank; he said it could be headquartered in Washington DC, where it was under direct Federal jurisdiction, or could establish branches in the states with their consent. In the end, the Bank was allowed to run until its charter expired in 1841. That was the end of centralized banking in the United States for the next 72 years.[3]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nAdams mentions this, yes it's basically this"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All Indians, Persians, Kurds, Tajiks, Afghans and Ossetians trace their ancestry to this single archeological site on the border of Kazakhstan called Arkaim, what can you tell me about it anons? What do we know?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "A trading center between Sintashta and BMAC. Sintashta exported slaves and raw materials to the BMAC. BMAC exported produced goods to the Sintashta."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHave any artifacts or human remains been found? Also why isn't it being dug up?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Russia must be conquered by the Indo-Iranians"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYes, they've been dug up. Arkaim was the only city around this region and was important. Hopefully they get tested soon."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nLooks pretty buried to me"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Single\nIt's literally just the most important or first one we have found.\nThey had chariots and horses, ig.\nThe Mittani Indo-aryan speakers might've come from there, specifically from their horse-breeding classes. IIRC\n>>5\nThat's interesting I didn't know there were cities in the region at that time.\nWonder if they traded amber. Or what their interactions with the uralics were."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Or what their interactions with the uralics were.\nIIRC the Uralic word for slave was \"Aryan\", infer from that what you will"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThat's why I ask."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nThat's an aerial photo. On the ground you can see it's been excavated.\n\n>>7\nIt's a trading post that developed into a small city for locals to work in and merchants to have a place to rest."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nRussia is the Indo Iranians, they will re-conquer and rape all the browns."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>No india\n>No iran\n>No indo-aryan language\n>Only insecure larp.\n>>10\nAh. What was being traded through that route, specifically? Like timber and amber? or what."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nFocused on copper and slaves, but probably timber as well."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nCan one see the interior of Arkaim then?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a city of Aryans i.e. Slavs.\n>>11\nThis.\n>>3\n>>5\nThey already were tested.long time ago, usual R1a-Z93 Sintashta.\n>>2\nCopuim. Aryans hadn't traded with churkas, they had enslaved them.\n>>8\n>>9\nIt's from \"work\" as Germanics had taken them as slaves, you retards.\n>>12\n>>4\nBegone, churka."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>>15\nI have reported you."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>They already were tested.long time ago, usual R1a-Z93 Sintashta\nNope. Arkaim samples haven't been tested."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI wonder if there'll be any BMAC J2a, we found some Sintashta U5 and R1a among BMAC"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nSintashta U5b has been found among BMAC samples but no R1a."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nMakes sense I guess. Was there any tech imbalance between the trading partners?\n>14976337\nThe etymology is contested.\nBut I recommend we ignore this fucking retard. Don't (you) them, don't barely acknowledge."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\ndon't even acknowledge* them."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nMy bad, it was R2 or something more obscure like that, right?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nBig tech imbalance, but the Arkaim people were slowly adopting BMAC technology. A few more centuries and they might've been able to dominate the steppe."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nYeah it's R2 but the presence of U5b indicates steppe admixture in the BMAC."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\n>Пpинaдлeжит к cинтaштинcкoй кyльтype[1] и тaк нaзывaeмoй «Cтpaнe гopoдoв».\n>Пpи иccлeдoвaнии иcкoпaeмoй ДHК y пpeдcтaвитeлeй cинтaштинcкoй кyльтypы были oбнapyжeны Y-хpoмocoмнaя гaплoгpyппa R1a[8] и митoхoндpиaльныe гaплoгpyппы J1, J2, N1 и U2[8].\n>>18\nThere were no slaves IIRC.\n>>23\n>>20\n>>13\n>>24\nWhy are these poos trying to show their poo ancestors as equals to Aryans? There was no trade between them, Aryans just had been hunting those monkeys down."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThat's from Sintashta you dumb Mordvix retard."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nHow much and in what aspect? Metallurgy, agriculture, horse riding?\n>A few more centuries and they might've been able to dominate the steppe.\nWhat wiped them out before this could happen, assuming you are implying some sort of displacement?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nIgnore him. He'll go away."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nYes, you dumb ape, exactly as Arkaim.\n>>28\n>t. a bmac churka meeting an Aryan (Slavic) man raping its daughter, 1488 BCE"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nTheir technology was more primitive than BMAC and more advanced than other Sintashta sites. Sintashta sites were destroyed by rival tribes and Arkaim was no exception."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>technology was more primitive than BMAC\n>bmac was literally totally genocided\nLmao, such a brown coper."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nSintashta had four different populations in it, Mordvix retard."}, {"id": 33, "content": "It wasn't a city. The reconstructions make it looking more impressive than it was. It's because of Russian nationalism or something."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nThis might be a reach, but don't the Vedas, Avesta and the Ossetic Tsartsiat mention that the Indo-Iranic homeland was destroyed by the cold climate? I doubt it was a tribal thing."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nIt hadn't, you imbecile. All were Slavs.\n>>33\n>cope: the post\nYou never were so advanced, apes."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nBMAC was not genocided and were friendly with Arkaim."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nIt literally was genocided and enslaved by Aryans during the Indian conquest."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\nIt's a city by steppe standards including 1500 permanent population. Can't find another site like it on the steppe."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\nAh. BMAC technology was complex in what way? did they have bronze, innovations from Iran/ME/India? Or were BMAC copper workers with the northerners still in the Neolithic?\nI'm rather uninformed about the topic.\n>Sintashta sites were destroyed by rival tribes and Arkaim was no exception.\nUnderstandable, as far as you know, were the tribes also IE or from some other language family/origin?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>did they have bronze, innovations\nNo, they were ooga-booga chimpanzees while Aryans had cities. That's why they were genocided."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nIt's pretty nice for the prehistoric steppe.\nThe Natufians probably had bigger settlements several thousand years before though. So it's not unprecedented."}, {"id": 42, "content": "I again remind you all to ignore the Russian.\nEventually, we can all stop acknowledging he even exists."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>t. an ivc churka meeting an Aryan (Slavic) man raping its daughter, 1488 BCE"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\nBMAC was bronze age while steppe was still neolithic and chalcolithic. The steppe tribes who destroyed Sintashta sites were probably IE."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>37\nIt wasn't genocided. People thought BMAC were proto-Indo-Iranians because of their similarity with later cultures and the lack of destruction in their sites."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>39\nWait a second BMAC is the Oxus civilization?\nDamn, I hadn't realized, I thought that happened after."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nAh, thanks."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nIn reality it's a bunch of barns behind walls. None of the other Sintashta settlements with actually well preserved evidence of houses look that monumental. Most of the reconstructions are from 1990s or inspired by 1990s designs."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n>The steppe tribes who destroyed Sintashta sites were probably IE.\nMaybe its my conspiratorial thinking, but what if they were Uralics?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>45\n>\"people\" thought\nLmao, Rajesh..."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>8\nIt was the word for farmer not for slave.\nWhjerever Aryans went they toppled or dominated whomever they came across, this phenomena is evident in BMAC, IVC, Neolithic Europe, Siberia, and Euro conquests of the world in the 1500-1800s.\n\nEuropeans have never been slaves, your people have never been free, if you are not ruled by Aryans then by brown despots.\n\nnow continue to seethe as you realize 70,000 years of evolution and you're still closer to a beast than an Aryan."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\nYeah they're the same thing.\n\n>>47\nWelcome."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\nIE cultures weren't strangers to cohabitating with their livestock, long houses are a rather popular design.\n>>46\nThey have some pretty neat art, I'm replying to myself btw.\n>>45\nDidn't the Iranian expansion into Persia (yes ik) happen after the expansion into India?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>12\n>CWC dominated India\n>CWC dominated Iran\n>CWC produced Aryan languages\n\nThe only larp here is browns pretending they are Swedes.\nthe best you can do is migrate to Sweden and get acked by Europeans\n>wont hap-ACK\nkek be afraid lmao, your people cant even produce a missile shield let alone win a conflict with Aryans in modern times."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>48\nMost of the Sintashta sites are that. Not Arkaim it's more advanced and has close contacts with the BMAC."}, {"id": 56, "content": "Reminder to not even read the braindead ramblings of insecure retards.\nThey don't seem to even know what most words mean."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>16\nreporting a report is a reportable and bannable offense."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nSintashta was genocided and they died out suddenly."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\nWhat was the difference between Arkaim and regular sintashta settlements? When it comes to say, urban complexity, organization, and defences. etc. Is the wall a differentiator from other settlements?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>51\n>the word for farmer not for slave\nMan, it's originally just a cope with literally no proof, actual non-fingolian linguists state it's from \"work\". The one social Indo-Iranian word in fingolian languages is \"asur\" as \"lord\"."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>54\n0.059\nThat's a huge distance, I don't even take 0.001 into account for the most part"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nEarly reconstructions appeared in the early to mid-1990s. They show the architecture of two settlements (Sintashta and Arkaim), whose dwellings are depicted with standardised lay-outs, flat roofs and shared longitudinal walls made from soil blocks. The fortifications were depicted as massive, complex structures, styled after the concept of the «Country of Towns». These images have become «classic», and authors of all future versions made a start from them. Most versions are dedicated exclusively to Arkaim and are rather controversial, often exaggerating the monumentality and complexity of the architecture of this site."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\nWhat's the evidence for this, before der ewige retard spergs out?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>59\n>When it comes to say, urban complexity, organization, and defences. etc. I\nYes. Arkaim is many times larger than any other steppe settlement, better fortified, export focused, and more stratified society. Other Sintashta settlements are basically barnyards."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nSource?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nAbrupt destruction of all Sintashta sites and new populations popping up that replaced them."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>62\nSo there might be some bias due to how early reconstruction work got carried out.\n>>64\nI see. Has any religious site been found near Arkaim?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\nHere are houses from well preserved Kammeny Ambar, which was also fortified."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nIs it known who replaced them?\nIt'd be a little funny if it was Ugrics.\nAlso, did the destruction happen in the time frame of a few decades or a little longer?\nSorry for all the questions but I really do find this fascinating. I just feel rather overwhelmed with where to start with some of these things."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>65\n>The settlement covered approximately 20,000 square metres (220,000 square feet). The diameter of the enclosing wall was about 160 metres (520 feet), and its thickness was of 4 to 5 metres (13 to 16 feet).\nIt had huge fortifications to protect the city."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>66\n>>69\n>>58\nSintashta wasnt wiped out, their Y DNA became dominant throughout middle asia, transoxania, and more or less everywhere iranic speakers are.\n>they disappeared and others replaced them\nThey lived in a small valley in the Southern Urals and their immediate descendants Andronovo became a group which ranged from the Caucasus to China, their immediate descendants were unmistakably the unrivaled hegemon of asia."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nUgrics and Andronovo genocided Sintashta. Sintashta went extinct suddenly while Ugric and Andronovo Y DNA survived."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>61\n>huge distance\nthat is the same distance between Norway and France.\n>.001\nthat is the difference between Ireland and Scotland\n\nWhat DO you take into account?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nEvidence of the ugrics replacing sintashta?\nBy the way, can you name some papers where this is talked about?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\n>the immediate descendants of Sintashta genocided Sintashta\nreally makes you think.\n>Ugric\ntheir Y DNA is derived from Sintashta, same clade of R1a.\n>Andronovo\nliterally identical to Sintashta, they are closer than Norwegians and Swedes are to eachother.\nAndronovo Y DNA was also identical to Sintashta.\nI think they may have even purified with Andronovo forming from a founder effect of Sintashta warrior elites as they are more homogenous than Sintashta."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\n\n>Well akshually el goblinito culture genocided el aryanito culture but haplogroups so it didn't actually happen and squat yellow snowmen didn't put Aryan heads on spikes."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nIt never happened, Ugrics and Andronovo are direct descendants of Sintashta.\nAndronovo themselves had the most blonde haired individuals of any population that ever lived, they were 'THE' Aryans.\nTheir immediate ancestors were Sintashta."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nAndronovo are not descendants of Sintashta in any way. Andronovo cluster between Ugrics and Sintashta. Andronovo and Ugrics both genocided Sintashta."}, {"id": 79, "content": "Andronovo and Ugrics were never descended from Sintashta. Andronovo and Ugrics both genocided and wiped out Sintashta.\n>Most researchers associate the Andronovo horizon with early Indo-Iranian languages, though it may have overlapped the early Uralic-speaking area at its northern fringe.[13]\n>New research shows Andronovo culture's first stage could have begun at the end of the 3rd millennium BC, with cattle grazing, as natural fodder was by no means difficult to find in the pastures close to dwellings.[10][11][12]\n>The slightly older Sintashta culture (c. 2200–1900 BC), formerly included within the Andronovo culture, is now considered separately to Early Andronovo cultures.[8][9]"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nThose squat yellow snowmen are all descended from Sintashta, same clade of R1a.\nUgrians are goblinitos because wherever they had contact with Aryans they were totally dominated."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\n>Those squat yellow snowmen are all descended from Sintashta, same clade of R1a.\nAnd? Does it put your mind at ease? Is it all good now?\nA R1b Mexican murdering a le 100% white American from Wyoming and then raping his daughter is still a Mexican killing a white guy and raping her daughter.\nThis logic clearly exists for you to protect your ego."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nhis*\nGod damn ESLness."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nlow iq i2a romanian homosexual only exists to serve his R masters he literally believes that's a win"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\n>if i somehow put fingolians alongside andronovo without a reason nobody will notice"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>78\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture#Genetics\n>In a genetic study published in Science in September 2019, a large number of remains from the Andronovo horizon was examined. The vast majority of Y-DNA extracted belonged to R1a1a1b or various subclades of it (particularly R1a1a1b2a2a). The majority of mtDNA samples extracted belonged to U, although other haplogroups also occurred.\n\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture#Genetics\n>The remains of fifty individuals from the fortified Sintastha settlement of Kamennyi Ambar was analyzed. This was the largest sample of ancient DNA ever sampled from a single site. The Y-DNA from thirty males was extracted. Eighteen carried R1a and various subclades of it (particularly subclades of R1a1a1), five carried subclades of R1b (particularly subclades of R1b1a1a), two carried Q1a and a subclade of it, one carried I2a1a1a, and four carried unspecified R1 clades.\n\nAndronovo were directly descended from Sintashta.\nUgrians have substantial R1a with the Magyars, the ones with Sintashta admixture being a majority R1a while living in asia.\n\n\nSintashta is the vector for R1a from CWC to Asia."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>Goes on yapping about his imaginary fuckbuddies on discord like the retard he is."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nMeanwhile in reality it's Sintashta-Andronovo who replaced and subjugated fingolians, see Krasnoyarsk samples."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nThat proves different genetics between Sintashta and Andronovo. Different origins, different haplogroups, different clades, and different ancestry. That's why Andronovo genocided inferior Sintashta."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>81\nits more like a White American replacing another White American and raping a latina, then the bastard child of that latina goes on to found a pseudo-race of mutts who look either American or latrino.\nAlso Sintashta Culture itself is a predecessor to Andronovo, the two are identical save for Andronovo being more widespread.\n\nThere was no \"replacement\"."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\n>different genetics\nnope, same genetics.\n>Sintashta individuals and Corded Ware individuals both had a relatively higher ancestry proportion derived from the Central Europe, and both differed markedly in such ancestry from the population of the Yamnaya Culture and most individuals of the Poltavka Culture that preceded Sintashta in the same geographic region.[d] The Bell Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and contemporary Scandinavian cultures were also found to be closely genetically related to Corded Ware. A particularly high lactose tolerance was found among Corded Ware and the closely related Nordic Bronze Age.[e] In addition, the study found the Sintashta culture to be closely genetically related to the succeeding Andronovo culture.[f]\n\n>Numerous cultural similarities between the Sintashta/Andronovo culture, the Nordic Bronze Age and the peoples of the Rigveda have been detected.[d]"}, {"id": 91, "content": "Andronovo and Ugrics were never descended from Sintashta. Andronovo and Ugrics both genocided and wiped out Sintashta.\n>Most researchers associate the Andronovo horizon with early Indo-Iranian languages, though it may have overlapped the early Uralic-speaking area at its northern fringe.[13]\n>New research shows Andronovo culture's first stage could have begun at the end of the 3rd millennium BC, with cattle grazing, as natural fodder was by no means difficult to find in the pastures close to dwellings.[10][11][12]\n>The slightly older Sintashta culture (c. 2200–1900 BC), formerly included within the Andronovo culture, is now considered separately to Early Andronovo cultures.[8][9]\n\nAlso different genetics and different haplogroups.\n>carried subclades of R1b (particularly subclades of R1b1a1a), two carried Q1a and a subclade of it, one carried I2a1a1a, and four carried unspecified R1 clades.\n>The vast majority of Y-DNA extracted belonged to R1a1a1b or various subclades of it (particularly R1a1a1b2a2a). T"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nUgrics and Andronovo raped Sintashta too, but they're different populations"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>if i somehow put fingolians alongside andronovo without a reason nobody will notice"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nRetard you're claiming Ugrics came from Sintashta. I'm pointing out they didn't."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>you\nClueless retard. See >>87 anyway."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\n>Andronovo and Uralics inhabited the same region\nUralics were hunter gatherers, them living in the same region as Andronovo does not associate the two in a meaningful way.\nThere is no evidence the two are related aside from Andronovo males taking Uralic wives.\nWhich is obviously far from uralics replacing Aryans.\n>Sintashta was so similar to Andronovo it was only recently they became classified as a separate group\ndoes anything else need to be said here? Andronovo and Sintashta were the same people except Andronovo were Sintashta who became wildly successful\n>different genetics\n\nWhat a convenient place for you to begin your copy paste.\n\nHere is the full quote\n>The Y-DNA from thirty males was extracted. Eighteen carried R1a and various subclades of it (particularly subclades of R1a1a1), five carried subclades of R1b (particularly subclades of R1b1a1a), two carried Q1a and a subclade of it, one carried I2a1a1a, and four carried unspecified R1 clades.\n18/30 were R1a.\nYou are presenting the remaining 12 who are not R1a as indicative of their common Y DNA.\nAndronovo was almost entirely R1a.\nAndronovo literally descends from a tribe of R1a Sintashta men.\nBoth had majority R1a, Andronovo was just super R1a.\nBoth were genetically very close to Bell Beakers in West Europe, Unetice in central Europe, and Nordic Bronze Age."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nRetard I already explained to you Andronovo and Ugrics destroyed Sintashta and weren't descended from them."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>92\n>Ugrics\nruled by R1a men who were Sintashta in origin.\n>Andronovo\na subtribe of Sintashta who expanded to dominate all of Middle Asia.\n>>94\nno, I am saying Ugric and Sintashta relations took the form of Ugric females and Sintashta males, not that all Ugrics are from Sintashta in the way all Andronovo are."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nUralics genocided and enslaved Sintashta and that's as much interaction they had. 55% R1a Sintashta are obviously different from 90% R1a Andronovo. Andronovo chiefs killed Sintashta chiefs, cry about it. Both were very different from Bell Beakers."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\n>werent descended\nexcept they literally have R1a downstream from Sintashta.\n\nHow do you explain this\n>The people of the Andronovo culture were found to be closely genetically related to the preceding Sintashta culture, which was in turn closely genetically related to the Corded Ware culture, suggesting that the Sintashta culture represented an eastward expansion of Corded Ware peoples. The Corded Ware peoples were in turn found to be closely genetically related to the Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and particularly the peoples of the Nordic Bronze Age."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\nFinns are N1c and Sintashta-rich. Ugric men killed Sintashta men and took Sintashta women as wives. Andronovo killed all of the Sintashta men and took Sintashta women as wives."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\nFrom where do you draw this?\nThe Russian is obviously spouting bullshit but from where do you get this?"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nSintashta subclades are extinct and nobody is downstream of theirs while Andronovo subclades are alive.\n\nThat's obvious if one is not retarded like you. Shared ancestry doesn't make one the descendant of the other."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nLook at how different their genetics are. Sintashta was destroyed and their subclades went extinct. Andronovo and Ugrics genocided them and their subclades are still alive."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>99\nAll the data shows a uniformity among Sintashta, Nordic Bronze Age, Bell Beakers, Unetice, and Andronovo, these are all people with roughly the same ancestral composition.\n>Uralics genocided and enslaved\nwhich is why Uralics descend paternally from Sintashta and why Sintashta descended men like Scythians farmed Uralics like animals for purposes of breeding or management.\n\n>Sintashta expands\n>Andronovo is a subtribe of Sintashta who dominate Asia\n>Scythians become even stronger than Andronovo\n>broadly Iranic people dominate asia\n>uralics held in perpetual bondage save for those living on the frozen coast of Northern Siberia\nuralichimps...."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nThere is no uniformity. These are different populations.\n\nUralics are N1c which Sintashta has 0% of. Andronovo on the other hand has contributed modern subclades while Sintashta's are extinct."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>104\nWhat are their specific subclades?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>101\nFinns arent Sintashta rich, they have WSHG and EHG which makes them \"look\" steppe because often steppe is measured by how much EHG you have.\nAlso R1a and I1 are more common in the \"steppe\" derived Finns than N1c.\nUralic meta strategy is to find an Aryan master and serve him faithfully and hope he gifts you a semi retarded daughter, who being an Aryan is superior to your entire ancestral lineage, in this way you can slowly move up the ladder of humanity.\n\nThis is what Finns did, this is why they all look like oblivion characters with nordic coloration.\n>>103\n>Sintashta subclades are extinct\nR1a-Z93 is the most common Y lineage in Middle Asia and Transoxania.\n>shared ancestry\nAndronovo is a subset of Sintashta, appearing later, and being identical to Sintashta."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>102\n>>104\nI'm not Russia, he gets it from his head canon.\nI have already posted evidence which is directly contradictory to what he is claiming.\nlook\n>The people of the Andronovo culture were found to be closely genetically related to the preceding Sintashta culture, which was in turn closely genetically related to the Corded Ware culture, suggesting that the Sintashta culture represented an eastward expansion of Corded Ware peoples. The Corded Ware peoples were in turn found to be closely genetically related to the Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and particularly the peoples of the Nordic Bronze Age.\n\nSintashta and Andronovo are extremely close.\n\n>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture#Genetics\n>>In a genetic study published in Science in September 2019, a large number of remains from the Andronovo horizon was examined. The vast majority of Y-DNA extracted belonged to R1a1a1b or various subclades of it (particularly R1a1a1b2a2a). The majority of mtDNA samples extracted belonged to U, although other haplogroups also occurred.\n\n>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture#Genetics\n>>The remains of fifty individuals from the fortified Sintastha settlement of Kamennyi Ambar was analyzed. This was the largest sample of ancient DNA ever sampled from a single site. The Y-DNA from thirty males was extracted. Eighteen carried R1a and various subclades of it (particularly subclades of R1a1a1), five carried subclades of R1b (particularly subclades of R1b1a1a), two carried Q1a and a subclade of it, one carried I2a1a1a, and four carried unspecified R1 clades.\nAndronovo are clearly a subset of Sintashta.\n>>106\n>different populations"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nFinns are Sintashta rich despite being N1c and they prefer that source over EHG.\n\nR1a-Z93 in Middle Asia is a minority haplogroup and it's spread by Andronovo anyway. Sintashta subclades are all extinct. Sintashta was genocided by Andronovo and Ugrics, cry more."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\n>see my le heckin 5 million isolated people who is 40% non-N anyway\nRetarded ape."}, {"id": 112, "content": "Distance to: RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n0.05958175 Norwegian\n0.05959307 Swedish\n0.06033965 Icelandic\n0.06177496 Danish\n0.06230119 Shetlandic\n0.06345206 Irish\n\nDistance to: RUS_Andronovo_MLBA\n0.06518356 Finnish_Central\n0.06655519 Ingrian\n0.06693100 Finnish_Southeast\n0.06739038 Swedish\n0.06830800 Erzya\n0.06839523 Moksha\n0.06851760 Russian_Kostroma\n0.06853732 Finnish_Southwest\n\nAndronovo are Uralic. Sintashta are EEF."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\n>Andronovo are Uralic\nAh, what's the point of that retard then.\n>>109\nHe's just insane, you won."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>106\nFrom Allentoft 2015\n>https://depot.ceon.pl/bitstream/handle/123456789/13155/nature14507.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y\n>The Andronovo culture, which arose\nin Central Asia during the later Bronze Age (Fig. 1), is genetically closely related to the Sintashta peoples (Extended Data Fig. 2c), and clearly distinct from both Yamnaya and Afanasievo (Fig. 3b and Extended Data Table 1). Therefore, Andronovo represents a temporal\nand geographical extension of the Sintashta gene pool.\n\n\n>no uniformity\n>The Bell Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and contemporary Scandinavian cultures were also found to be closely genetically related to Corded Ware. A particularly high lactose tolerance was found among Corded Ware and the closely related Nordic Bronze Age.[e] In addition, the study found the Sintashta culture to be closely genetically related to the succeeding Andronovo culture.[f]"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\n>Sintashta are EEF\nI'm fucking dying right now what the fuck is that sentence.\n>>109\nAh."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>100\n>>103\nI don't believe any of the Sintashta samples have coverage beyond R-Z2124. Presumably, if they are the indo-aryan source then they have Abashevo's R-Y3, which disappears from the Steppe afterward. Andronovo's Z94 is almost exclusively R-Z2124 and downstream.\nI'm not sure, from the genetics, we can infer that's because Andronovo is a sister population that replaced Sintashta. Early Andronovo looks very similar."}, {"id": 117, "content": "What the fuck my thread has nothing to do with the topic of the OP anymore"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>110\n>Sintashta rich\nthey arent\n>prefer that source over EHG\nthey literally have weird EHG-BHG mutt substrate causing them to appear steppe like while having ultimately very little Steppe ancestry relative to other Northern Europeans."}, {"id": 119, "content": "Distance to: RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n0.07178994 Bell_Beaker_CZE\n0.07849022 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C\n0.10060532 Bell_Beaker_CHE\n0.14345806 Bell_Beaker_ITA\n0.17353378 Bell_Beaker_HUN\n0.18456964 Bell_Beaker_Iberia\n\nEven Sintashta aren't Bell Beaker."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\nBegone with this meme model. There's no additional EHG nor BHG in Eastern Europeans."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nWell of course the beakers are an Iberian cultural complex."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\nYou're either an extreme retard or an extreme liar."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>116\nAndronovo were most likely a subset of Sintashta undergoing a founder effect.\nThink about how Andronovo is blonder, has more R1a, and is genetically (slightly) more homogenous than Sintashta.\nIt fits with the idea of a warband taking a bunch of women from another tribe and just having a bunch of kids, who form more warbands, and repeat the cycle.\nalso its retarded to think all Sintashta people unified like a nation is today, the biggest killers of Sintashta males were other Sintashta males, likewise the biggest pool of females Andronovo drew from were other Andronovo tribes.\nCultures dont necessarily need to be unified nations operating at a national level i.e. Andronovo male x Sintashta female."}, {"id": 124, "content": "Bell Beakers don't resemble Corded Ware, even from the same area.\n\nDistance to: Bell_Beaker_POL\n0.06800389 Corded_Ware_POL\n0.06934237 Corded_Ware_Baltic\n0.07185835 Corded_Ware_CZE"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>29\nBMAC were poojets. Not khachs"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\n>Andronovo were most likely a subset of Sintashta undergoing a founder effect.\nThey aren't. Genetics and archaeology make that impossible, retard."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nwhat in particular makes it impossible?\nespecially considering >>114\n>>The Andronovo culture, which arose in Central Asia during the later Bronze Age (Fig. 1), is genetically closely related to the Sintashta peoples (Extended Data Fig. 2c), and clearly distinct from both Yamnaya and Afanasievo (Fig. 3b and Extended Data Table 1). Therefore, Andronovo represents a temporal and geographical extension of the Sintashta gene pool."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>15\nslavshit nigger detected"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>124\n0.06\nyou dont consider Swiss and Swedes the same race?"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>126\n>>112\nandronovo is genetically identical to sintasha, no need to invent fake samples\n\nDistance to: KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA\n0.06267727 Swedish\n0.06544264 Norwegian\n0.06625724 Icelandic\n0.06785012 Finnish_Central\n0.06806503 Danish\n0.06841574 Finnish_Southeast\n0.06875396 Ingrian\n0.06902598 Shetlandic\n\nDistance to: KAZ_Kairan_MLBA\n0.05277944 Swedish\n0.05525382 Norwegian\n0.05637083 Icelandic\n0.05757484 Danish\n0.05861355 Shetlandic\n0.05936186 Irish\n0.05940332 German_Hamburg\n0.05980079 Orcadian\n\nDistance to: KAZ_Bylkyldak_MLBA\n0.06946471 Swedish\n0.07009593 Norwegian\n0.07165771 Icelandic\n0.07249047 Danish\n0.07341695 Irish\n0.07429954 Shetlandic\n0.07474927 Orcadian\n0.07537754 Scottish"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>126\n>>127\nThere's nothing genetically that makes it impossible.\nBut I agree that it's doubtful that the literal people occupying Sintashta forts are ancestral to Andronovo."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>54\nSintashta were over 40% eef so they were similar to modern north europeans"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\n>But I agree that it's doubtful that the literal people occupying Sintashta forts are ancestral to Andronovo.\nThey were closely related if they were not derived directly from them.\n>>132\nAndronovo were also over 40% EEF."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>117\nBlame the ethnically fragile."}, {"id": 135, "content": "This city looks kino as fuck. What part would you live in?"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\nDo you have models for them and botai?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>11\n>Russia is the Indo Iranians, they will re-conquer and rape all the browns.\n>t. mordvix"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>11\nThis. Modern \"Iranians\" are about as Iranic as American niggers are Anglo Saxon"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\ndo we know about their material culture and society or is it all just conjecture ?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>66\n>>69\n>>58\n>hur hur Sintashta was extinguished\nliterally the descendants are still alive\n>hur hur lie the Ugrics killed them\nthe existence of Indians, Persians, Kurds, Tajiks, Afghans and Ossetians says otherwise"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jew in congress who astroturfed smedley butler Business Plot was a Soviet spy according to Soviet records. He helped form HUAC to crackdown on the American right but also met with Soviet agents to form an illegal immigration operation and leak info to Moscow from Congress. The Soviets seem to think the Jew wasn’t really politically motivated, just a dime a dozen criminal gangster. Makes sense since the Jew got his start as an associate of the infamously corrupt Tammany Hall Democrat political machine."}, {"id": 2, "content": "It never ends."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I lol at name dickstein"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFolks, they just don’t belong"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>trusting Wikipedia"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI do semi trust it but not the editor opinion like trannie"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nYou can trust wikipedia if it says something was a thing. The content is questionable, not the page itself."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Scythians smoke Indica or Sativa?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAny evidence for this?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCommon sense\n\nGrowing weed into a S/I heavy strain would be hard as fuck back then because they haven't been working on this shit like it's the cure for cancer. I suspect they were smoking hybrids.\n\nI have zero evidence for this, just my word as a history buff and a stoner."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nDang"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Probably some Himalayan Landrace strains like OG Kush."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhats the Sativa equivalent of OG kush?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSome kind of \"Haze\" probably."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIt appears Hindu Kush is a source of OG Kush unironically.\nhttps://www.allbud.com/marijuana-strains/sativa-dominant-hybrid/og-kush"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever it was it was weak as fuck, nowhere near what we have today, even our shittiest brick weed would completely blow their brains out."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>THE SPIRITS OF MY ANCESTORS ARE CALLING ME AAAAAAAA\n>bro chill you just took a fat rip, here, have a blanket and some water"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nYou’re not very good at either. The landrace of indicas is believed to have originated in the steppes and foothills (Hindu Kush, for example) whereas that for sativas appears to have a tropical origin and be better adapted to jungles (Thai). The answer is likely indicas as that’s more consistent with the range of the Scythian culture (dude)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>The answer is likely indicas as that’s more consistent with the range of the Scythian culture (dude)\nMakes sense to me desu\n\nI'm not too read up on my strains"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey drank psilocybin tea during bath/sauna time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would Giovanni Gentile think about modern fascists attachment with tranime?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFascists don’t watch anime."}, {"id": 3, "content": "anime is the only media left that depicts straight homogeneous people living normal lives, it's more a symptom of our society that that's all fascists can align to\n\nbiggest problem in anime\n>sakura is late for school and has to run with toast in her mouth\naverage life in western media\n>hiv positive tranny forgot to dilate before reading stories to kids in drag so decides to leave his dilator in but WHOOPS it falls out when he sees a statue of a turd he has to kneel for, hilarity ensues"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYou can't call yourself a fascist until you've watched K-On!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>anime is the only media left that depicts straight homogeneous people living normal lives\nor literally all the media made before [arbitrary date] which hasn't stopped existing. if they cared so much they could just watch old Humphrey Bogart movies until the end of time.\nthe tranime-fascist connection must have another cause"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAnime is new and cool unlike Humphrey Bogart"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>straight homogeneous people living normal lives\nisnt anime full of dykes?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nLesbians are hot."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>uhhh you can always watch movies from 100 years ago, chud\nYeah, and we could read Tolstoy, but if we want anything set in the modern day the only media that covers that in a non-pozzed way is anime.\nAnd I say that as someone who hasn't watched anime in years because I got annoyed with the high-pitched voices."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nliteral cuckoldry"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nShow me how a woman can fuck another woman. They can rub against each other but there is no way she's getting a cock inside her and being pumped full of cum."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\ncuck."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">cuck"}, {"id": 14, "content": "if i'm a cuck for wanting to watch girls fuck eachother then build me a shed"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nkek, chinks are the ones that are into dyke trash.\n\n>>14\nokay."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">kek, chinks are the ones that are into dyke trash."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nOnly certain kinds of anime. There's an incredible amount of segmentation in the medium. You won't find dykes in mainstream hetero anime unless they're gag characters, same with fags. But there are niche markets full of whales for both that result in a large number (though not a large fraction overall) of shows being made to cater to these."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\nI hate the stupid eyebrows those faggot characters have"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nYou're not a cuck. You're an autogynephile (tranny). Straight men don't watch yuritrash, period."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nAutogynephiles are hyperheterosexual"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\n>calls himself a fascist\n>is currently browsing a tranime website\nwhat did the self hating gook mean by this"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>being attracted to women makes you a tranny\nthis is your brain on /pol/"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n4chan isn’t an anime website, it’s an image board website with anime containment boards."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">fascists can't even agree on their sexuality\nWhat hope do they have of saving western civilization?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\n>but if we want anything set in the modern day\nA bunch of anime is set in fantasy worlds,\nsci fi futures, historical eras etc. relatively little of it could actually be said to \"be set in the modern say\"\nBesides that, not a lot has fundamentally changed in human society since the 1930s or whatever unless you're butthurt that Cary Grant never posts on Twitter. Stories about life, love, death, betrayal, heroism etc. it's all the same now as it ever was"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nStoytelling techniques, production methods, and writing have all moved on in that century.\n\nBut I don't know why I'm bothering trying to explain this to someone who is being deliberately disingenuous. If you want to make out that things produced in 1923 and things produced in 2023 use the same methods then go ahead, this'll be my last reply regardless."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI really don't see your point if you think it's possible to compare Japanese animation with American/European live action films in regards to \"stoytelling techniques, production methods\". It's about the same as comparing the \"stoytelling techniques, production methods\" of French sculpture vs. Peruvian theater.\nMy main point is that films from the 1930s that depict a white, heterosexual world should be appreciated more by fans of a white, heterosexual world, rather than cartoons from the 1990s that depict a Japanese lesbian world. The alternative is that modern fascists just like anime on its own merits without justifying it ideologically, which happens to be my position."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>>18\n>cute aggression\nkike"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Which way, white man?\nhttps://youtu.be/NNDS_UyHzvk [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/SkQAl3rqsPg?t=23 [Embed]"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>simularca abominations of the female form\n>cute\n\nDetox from this mindrot anon, I beg of you"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>kikes look at picrel and see an abomination\nyou need to be fucking gassed"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nYeah that’s fucking disgusting you pedophile loser.\n\nIt’s not “cute aggression”, those are simularcas of real women."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nyou call something cute an abomination. you have cute aggression. jews typically see beauty as ugliness, and the inverse.\n>pedophile loser\n\"loser\", coming from a person who posts under a name on 4chan every single day for attention. can it get any stupider?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nGood goyim, beat your dick raw to moe shit and wind up a shut in with poor social skills who never has kids like the based and redpilled Japanese\n\nOwn the kikes by becoming an otaku loser"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nLol'd"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe would take one look at what the jews have done to western cultures and understand completely why the men of those cultures have abandoned it."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nTranime is brainrot and as bad as hollyjew"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would take over the media and make them pump out animes with guys such a JoJo's Stroheim as MC, and that would be awesome."}, {"id": 39, "content": "The non-meme answer is \"neutral\", less or more depending on the series. Little of any fascist criticism towards anime would involve \"le degeneracy\" contrary to modern mischaracterizations of fascism."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\ntry using less buzzwords and more supporting arguments."}, {"id": 41, "content": "A fascist/trad anime fan is a giant brown flag for someone whose shit opinions you can safely disregard. Their contradictory hobbies display such a complete disregard for coherency in their ideals that they don't even rise to the level of \"useful idiot\""}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nin what way is watching anime contradictory to fascism?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nfascist *women* can watch anime with no problem, but if you're a man who watches cute little girls doing cute things then you have nothing to offer the traditional family at the heart of the volk"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nWhy are you under the mistaken impression that anime is only moeshit? You are aware that anime is a medium, not a genre, right?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n>fascism\n>volk\nOh, you're just an idiot then. Carry on."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nEven boys' anime is still that, for little boys. And it's extremely questionable for a fascist man to allow his children to partake in.\n\n>consuming culture produced by inferior peoples\n>yaoi\n>yuri\n>pedoshit\n>antifascist themes\n>diverse hair colors\n>(if religious fascist) magic and demonology"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\n>I want le epic debate\n\nGB2R"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So if non-med europeans can larp as greeks and romans why can’t blacks larp as egyptians?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Greeks and Romans weren't \"med\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe problem is more with lack of subtlety or context in these beliefs. There were obviously black pharoahs and black people in Egypt just like there were obviously blonde people in Greece but it would be retarded to pretend everyone in Greece was blonde or that everyone in egypt was black."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth are retarded. Snow niggers and regular niggers need to stop claiming the history of the Mediterranean."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>They were OG Europeans of their times and one of the most Nordic population of the world regarding they already were urbanized, it's quite dumb to try to compare them with modern people wondering why they weren't the same as the purest 1000 men retaining their ancestry in swamps.\nNow begone, shitskin.\n>>2\nAlso this."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThe ruling elite weren't, but the average farmer or slave was. Modern \"meds\" are basically the same people as the lower classes in ancient Rome and Greece.\n>>4\nThe people who made ancient civilizations great (engineers, generals, emperors, philosophers, etc) had more in common with an average guy from Copenhagen than an average guy from Parma.\n\n[Disclaimer: This is a bait post. If this post makes you upset or gives you the urge to reply to it, you're an easily trolled idiot]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImplying i larp as romans"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSir, I am an celtic-teuton. I larp as viking"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey can't\n>but muh movies\npass (for a movie) =/= larp"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you actually believe you came from a rock?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI came on your mom lmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeave a dead man in a dry room for years. Does he become a rock? No! Does he turn to dust? Yes. Checkmate atheists."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nunfathomably based"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Yes but I do question how someone even exists. Why was my consciousness put in this body as opposed to a billionaire or a Roman soldier."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe penis is rock hard during sex dumbass. OP's clearly a virgin."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThat's existentialism, baby."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeft was never observed nor reproduced. It is pure mythology."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nFPBP"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nDon’t think too hard about it, or you’ll be driven insane. We exist because we exist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Italians so proud of their dumb “traditional” food? most of the foods (especially pizza) are not even traditional Italian foods. They’re American inspired inventions made in America by Italian immigrants. Most of the foods weren’t a thing in Italy itself before then, they’re relatively new. It’s like Chinese American food. But at least the Chinese don’t have an ego about this food. But the Italians do. Very stupid, ignorant, and sad. Unless I’m wrong cuz I could be. Lol"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Are you banned from /ck/ or something?\n\nBecause even for /ck/ this vinegary shit thread is stale."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Chinks laugh at you for eating Westernized versions of their food before tucking in to a nice plate of chicken feet."}, {"id": 4, "content": "It's insecurity. Think about. What else do Italians have to be proud of?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nVolta, Galileo, Leonardo, Fermi, Majorana, Cardano, Torricelli, Faggin, Michelangelo, Raffaello, Vivaldi, Rossini, Verdi, Lagrangia, Ruffini, Tartaglia, Brunelleschi, Piero della Francesca, Fibonacci: Let us introduce ourselves"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Americans can cook anything better than any other nation. We take the top chefs and brain drain the fuck out of your nations.\n\nHave you ever had Italian pizza? It fucking sucks dick. New York and Chicago changed the game. French food? Cajun food is the next evolution and shits all over it. Mexican food? TexMex bitch. Anything you can do we do better.\n\nWe are the United States. Look upon our works and tremble.\n\n>inb4 asshurt provincials start the water works and crying about McDonalds"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhat do those taste like?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nfucking kill yourself"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSorry to hurt your feelings"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nYou fucks just drown everything in grease, salt, sugar and shitty cheese."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>shitty cheese\nhttps://www.cnn.com/travel/article/world-champion-cheese-2019-rogue-river-blue-trnd/index.html\n\nEuropoor bros..."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Implying American 'za is superior to Argentina 'za\nEl-oh-el."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nEven is that were true our shit is still better. Cry more."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do Italians live rent free in the heads of so many incels here?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nenvious nafris trying to convince themselves they have a tiny overlap with southern europeans which they think is enough for people to see them as meds."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>6\nAnglos be like that"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nIndians, nordicist amerimutts, inbred higher class spics, all hate Italy because of its rich history, culture, lineage, and the fact that it BTFO's their WE WUZ LARPs."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>israel\n>libyans\n>civilization builders\njust kill yourself"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nAm i the only one that thinks that looks delicious?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nthat's a mass of cheese not flour"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's gross is rather just have dominos"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nI thought it was more of a his thread but yea I should probably post there to at one point"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nRealest nigga alive"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nHonestly I’m op and I think it looks very tasty. But I bet even Neapolitan pizza is an American inspired invention"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">forcibly confiscates all gold from citizens under threat of major fines and imprisonment\n>immediately raises the price of gold to $35 per ounce after he just forced everyone to sell their gold to the Federal Reserve for $20.67\n>made it illegal for private citizens to own gold until 1974, by then we were off the gold standard\n>greatly expanded the power of the federal government like no other president before him\n>created 69 alphabet agencies to gain more control over the private sector and economy\n>created the OSS, the precursor of the CIA\n>tried to expand the Supreme Court to force his New Deal programs to pass\n>showed complete disregard for the system of checks and balances on the executive branch\n>New Deal actually prolonged the Great Depression\n>openly gives aid to the Allies while we were supposed to be neutral\n>gets us into another world war most Americans didn't want to get involved in\n>imprisoned citizens in internment camps without trial\n>started the military-industrial complex\n>broke the longstanding tradition since Washington of a two term limit\n>he was essentially president for life until he died\nWhy does anyone like this tyrant?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Hoover was worse"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">New Deal actually prolonged the Great Depression\nno"}, {"id": 4, "content": "He created welfare, that's why people \"like\" him"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>New Deal actually prolonged the Great Depression\nlol\nlmao"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>forcibly confiscates all gold from citizens under threat of major fines and imprisonment\nBad\n>>immediately raises the price of gold to $35 per ounce after he just forced everyone to sell their gold to the Federal Reserve for $20.67\nBased but dickish\n>>made it illegal for private citizens to own gold until 1974, by then we were off the gold standard\nI don't know how you would enforce such a law\n>>greatly expanded the power of the federal government like no other president before him\nGood. Federal power isn't a bad thing.\n>>created 69 alphabet agencies to gain more control over the private sector and economy\nEpic number, most of which might be useful. I would trim the fat personally but he needed people to have jobs at the time\n>>created the OSS, the precursor of the CIA\nGood. State security is vital. The CIA sucks though\n>>tried to expand the Supreme Court to force his New Deal programs to pass\nBad\n>>showed complete disregard for the system of checks and balances on the executive branch\nThe constitution was made for the people, not the people for the constitution. Change is necessary to survive especially in times of crisis.\n>>New Deal actually prolonged the Great Depression\nDebatable\n>>openly gives aid to the Allies while we were supposed to be neutral\nGood. The Axis were dogshit friends.\n>>gets us into another world war most Americans didn't want to get involved in\nJapan did that. FDR didn't bomb Pearl Harbor\n>>imprisoned citizens in internment camps without trial\nFucked up and nobody pretends it isn't\n>>started the military-industrial complex\nThat shit had been going on since the Civil War\n>>broke the longstanding tradition since Washington of a two term limit\nThe people adored him\n>>he was essentially president for life until he died\nYeah. He did well"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause he happened to be president when the entire world went to war with an objectively evil enemy. Same reason Churchil and Stalin are thought of fondly by vast swathes of their respective cunts. FDR and those two were crappy leaders whose legacy was saved by a kraut spergout"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWell stalin was thought of positively because that's what the state propaganda said, which is the same reason FDR and Churchill are thought of fondly"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npretty much every American historian regardless of political party ranks him in the top 3. Hmm...I wonder if you're just thick as pig shit?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was unironically the best leader America had. Even better than Lincoln."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n99% of americans know nothing about him, which is why this thread exists. Just like most people aren't explicitly told what civil rights was about, or the civil war, or vietnam\n\nBecause it's surrounded in propaganda"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly I'm not a fan anymore. Teddy's my favorite Roosevelt."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't think he's regarded so well anymore. Obviously the right/libertarians never liked him and the modern left thinks he didn't do enough about civil rights and of course the embarrassing bit with Japanese internment camps."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>Federal power isn't a bad thing.\nWhy do you trust the government with more power? They have proved to be incompetent and corrupt countless times throughout history."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>Good. The Axis were dogshit friends.\nThe Russians were dogshit friends. Detaining American pilots? Stealing loads of state secrets? Peppering the government with hordes of communist spies like Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler? The endless stream of money, vehicles, food, women's wear, etc.?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\n>>3\nlook how much this makes leftytroons seethe\n\nof course they never try to actually argue it because every economist agrees it's true"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\n>>Because he happened to be president when the entire world went to war with an objectively evil enemy. Same reason Churchil and Stalin are thought of fondly by vast swathes of their respective cunts. FDR and those two were crappy leaders whose legacy was saved by a kraut spergout\nThis is a genuinely incredibly astute post. Churchill in particular was a horrible leader, a horrible politician, a horrible man, and all around incompetent. Yet despite him doing nothing but fuck up for his entire career he is celebrated as some great figure of history because his ass happened to be in that chair during WW2."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe United States really did fall quickly after its establishment. Any kind of form of democracy just doesn't work. Power only just quickly goes to the hands of the corrupt. People are easily manipulated en mass."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nBecause the soulless corporations that fill the vacuum of government power are even worse."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nBro they were facing a war of annihilation against an explicitly genocidal enemy that was openly belligerent towards the United States and their long term allies.\n\nYou gotta play the game or else everyone else is gonna take a piece."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>the government\nYou mean the people who have a body that they are held accountable to? As in; the people who are responsible for both the best and worst in our experience? The ones who can be peacefully removed and switched with more effective agents of power?\n\nLike you do realize that you would be asking to replace the entire existing infrastructure of your life if you really thought there was an option that was so much better, right? Why the fuck would you trust that power in the hands of Mississippi? Or California?\n\nI think state government needs funding and more autonomy in regards to free healthcare and things like that (some roads would be nice), but federal power is way more important. There must be a guidance to growth.\n\nCorporations aren't the answer. Communes aren't the answer.\nMinistries aren't either."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>You mean the people who have a body that they are held accountable to?\nDo you honestly believe the government is held accountable for anything? In principle the government is supposed to be held accountable to the people, but in reality that hasn't been the case for a very long time."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\n>every economist\nYou mean some delusional Austrians that rely on >it came to me in a dream tier reasoning for how the US would have magically boomed without FDR.\nHell, FDR even tried cutting the New Deal spending early, it just retriggered the depression immediately so he had to reverse course."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's genuinely because there hasn't been a reckoning with his legacy yet since he is beloved by the left (and the right is unwilling to do it). Mass internment was a humanitarian disaster that will rightfully bury his legacy."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nwtf is this pic real??"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Strongest Races are White Mutts\n\nStrongest races with global admixture analysis k6\n\n- Purest White Races :\nBased on Global admixture analysis K6, Purest white races are just Innocent Indigenous Native European Farmers which are Sardinians and Basques.\n\n- Colonizer DNA :\nWhite Races whom famous for conquering and assimilating, are Mixed White Races such as:\n- Iranian, Turkish Turk, Saudi Arabians ( the rise of Islam makes Arabic becomes the most popular dominant language in Middle Eastern and Western Asian )\n\n- Ethnic Iberian from Spain and Portugal is very powerful, that is why majority Latin American Hispanic Latino speak Espanol Spanish and Portuguese is mother language of Brazilians. Most Mexicans have Iberian ancestors.\n\n- Anglo Saxon and French are very strong and today majority White Americans and White Canadians have Anglo Saxon and French ancestry."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The dullest schizo on this board."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>The dullest schizo on this board.\nWho is he?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Arabs\n>so \"dominant and strong\" all the supposedly first-world gulf arab states have to important non-Arabs to be on their national sports teams because of their awful genetics\nlol\nlmao even"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Filipino"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>because of their awful genetics\nThey are inbred but also gracilised due to adaptation for desert climate. Gulf arabs were still able to conquer mena despite being 165cm tall skellies."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>White Races whom famous for conquering and assimilating, are Mixed White Races such as:\n>Iranian, Turkish Turk, Saudi Arabians\nThese are literal shitskins. What is wrong with OP?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIranians are purest Indo European"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>What is wrong with OP?\nA shitskin probably. Best not listen to it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nGulf Arabs achieved Religious Victory, so Islam becomes 2nd largest religion"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nArabs achieved dominance for less than 200 years and then were consequently subjects of everyone else for the next 1200 years."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was in the right here?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What historical fact/event gives you a raging hard-on."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Sporus.\nWife(male) of Nero"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\ngerms were jelly of that roman bussy that's why they sacked rome many times lmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": "red guards in china beating random men up\nhttps://youtu.be/XqPBFcp4hpg [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMass rapes of german men and women by Red Army."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRhodesia winning every engagement ever."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews had their temple destroyed by a literal faggot pagan who turned his lover into an idol.\n\nHaha fucking losers!"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Nip “master race,” meet Boeing and General Motors.\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo"}, {"id": 10, "content": "How Poland was crippled for the next 200 years since stalin killed all of their intelligentsia capable of making change"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nRussia is paying dearly now though."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen I found the exact location where \"Mice-Bolverk\" diverted the river Hvítá and saw how he did it easily. His name means small fort or small dreadful deed, it's the same word that became bulwark in English.\nhttps://books.google.com.au/books?id=jj6cIwMCZqIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Book+of+Settlements:+Landn%C3%A1mab%C3%B3k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSsIbhw7_MAhXssIMKHdJgCAkQ6AEIGzAA#v=snippet&q=bolverk&f=false"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>ywn be the castrated boy slave of a neckbeard"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Turkish people origin story."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Colonization of the New World"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Nobody is actually gay. No man has ever enjoyed gay sex.\nThink about it. Would you want to fuck another dude? Would you ever want to marry another man?\nNone of these people enjoy it. They ONLY do it out of a desire to offend God."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Would you want to fuck another dude?\nYeah"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Gay just meant incel back in the day. If you were gay, that meant you couldn't get a woman and instead resorted to masturbating with other men. Gay 'sex' shouldn't even be called that as it's not sex, it should be called something like rectal masturbation. A butthole is not a pussy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Everything is about me and my religion\nWhy are Christians like this? Is it the Jewish origins of Christianity that inspires this self important attitude?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nNo, it's not rational.\nI'm a gay virgin who will probably never have sex.\nI don't choose to have those desires, my first reaction when I realized I was gay but thinking something like \"I can't believe it would happen to me, to be so unlucky\".\n\nMy rational mind tells me it's wrong to put your dick in a man's asshole, that it's an anus and poop is ejected from there, and that sex is meant to be the process of reproduction of the species, not what gays fo, but the desire to do it is there and remains, I would compare it to a pyromaniac rationally knowing what he does is wrong, but feeling a strong desire for setting a tree on fire."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>NOOO HOW CAN YOU OBJECT TO SHITFUCKING AND TASTING CUM\n>da.. da jooz?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Everything is about me and my religion\nWe get it, you're an atheist, the dumbest religion in the world. Give it a rest bro."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Gay men are based. They dont simp for women."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHonestly, womanly autism is why I prefer men."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Are christians just legitmately unable someone thinking in a different way? Like, they could still say that others are wrong... But they just choose to believe that everyone sees the world in the same way as them despite all the evidence to the contrary."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI genuinely think it’s autism."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo man genuinely enjoys women and their autism. All men secretly and unconsciously desire other men for companionship and love."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFaggotry only started happening when the Soviet Union began working with Satan to create the first degenerate bomb. The bomb was dropped stealthily across America in order to create faggots, those who did not trust God fully were raped by Satan and turned into the first faggots. God in turn to stop this satanic overtaking of America created AIDS to destroy the faggots at their core.\n>but muh Greeks\nHistorical vision by faggots and sodomites trying to pretend faggotry existed before the degenerate bombs were dropped across America.\nThe faggots will not stop until they out breed us or turn us all into Satan worshippers.\nSatan has always been trying to destroy America since its foundation, as a true bastion of Christianity, free of Satanic Papism. Until the Athiest Satanic Soviet Union had been created Satan did not have a stronghold on earth to create faggots. After their first nuclear bomb they created satanic pact to get degenerate bombs so the atheistic satanic soviets and the devil themselves could destroy their mortal enemy, America"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nthis is the actual answer, autists have an extremely hard time being able to put themselves into others shoe, in other words they just don't really get how others can have different views, which is why this website is filled with people who seethe at others with different views"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit is sad when a grown man shows clear evidence of failure to develop a theory of mind."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nIt's actually due to astrology. Christians worship on Sunday, a day governed by the sun. The sun is the center of the solar system and as a result these energies of the sun cause Christians to view themselves as the center of all things with everything else just orbiting around them."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Dick going in and out of hole.\nI think I could imagine myself getting off to a dude if I tried to forget the fact that he has a dick and I'm sticking it in his pooper. I guess hand or mouth would also work but you don't get the complete satisfaction of dominating somebody then which I'm pretty sure is a big part of it."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Objectively true"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>a day governed by the sun\nWhich days are not governed by the sun?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nGoverned by the astral forces of the sun."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican puritan fucktard detected. There's a pretty good chance that oppressing your natural urges will result in an overreaction of them, so you'll probably end up as a huge fruity turbo bottom"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Think about it. Would you want to fuck another dude? Would you ever want to marry another man?\nNo because I'm not gay you tremendous faggot.\n\nHow deep in the closest do you have to be, that instead of thinking \"my dick doesn't rise when I watch naked men\" and stay at that, you're trying to formulate some kind of half-asses argument where you tell yourself and all of /his/ to think about two guys buttfucking each other (to make sure you don't enjoy it, obviously, anything else would be tremendously gay). How often to you think about gay sex in order to make sure you don't enjoy gay sex?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\ninteresting but may I see a source?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like trannies. Not regular looking men."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nWhy do you hate God?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Celebrate Gods creation\n>Hating God"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nI don't. But trannies elicit a primitive desire in me when I see their male physique in feminine form. It's like when Greeks would watch men's fit bodies in Olympics and then fuck their own wife later that night. A tranny is an amalgamation of these two. Also they don't bitch like women do. At least a little less.\n\nI have never sexed a tranny before, so don't worry."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you believe that?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>trannies\n>God's creation"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>Also they don't bitch like women do\n\nfrom what I've seen on Twitter, they bitch far more than women do and about stupider shit too"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nHow are they not part of Gods creation?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThey are an abominated form. They have no part in the original creation, there is nothing of the Lord's design in what they have done."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nSodomy is also an abomination btw"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\n>my dick doesn't rise when I watch naked men\nWhy do you watch naked men you tremendous faggot?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nNever been to a gym, you fat fuck?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut what of the Catholic priests ?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nI didn't see any naked men there"}, {"id": 38, "content": "That's and a lot of them are messed up in the head. Still very gross to put a penis where shit comes from"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>21\nYou know not every ones hays so how is it represing natural urges and not every one who disagreed with you is secretly gay"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>23\nHis source is the voices in his head"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nironically, gyms are full of homos"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThat's mainly because of an attraction to the male form will typically encourage someone to keep their body in shape. If they have no attraction to their own bodies, and have no desire to attract a female companion, there is no such need to maintain such bodies.\n\nWonder why most males attain beer bellies when they settle down with a wife and children?"}, {"id": 43, "content": "Gay men are born the way they are and you can spot them physiognomy. They are genetic freaks that should be sterilized (some try to blend in by getting married and have kids), preferably by castration so they will have sex drive.\nLesbians don't exist. Women are by nature bisexual."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n*by their physiognomy\n*no sex drive"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>37\nYou don't shower at the gym?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Nobody is actually gay. No man has ever enjoyed gay sex.\nThink about it. Would you want to fuck another dude? Would you ever want to marry another man?\nNone of these people enjoy it. They ONLY do it out of a desire to offend God.\nGays are incels in denial"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>7\nyou niggas got btfo by reddit spastics talking about sky daddies and spaghetti monsters. i dont wanna hear it kike worshipper"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\n>ITS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO DRIVE\nyeah maybe, but id argue its more likely the fact that they arent 20 anymore. most 20 year olds live more unhealthily than 30 year olds, its just they still have that young energy and spirit and the bad decisions havent caught up to them yet"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>5\nwere you molested/raped at any point? Anecdotally, the connection between homosexuality and being sexually abused as a child is very strong."}, {"id": 50, "content": "God doesn't care where you put your dick in.\n\nI just a saw teen boy today that looked like a Greek god and it illicitated a primal sexual desire. I am bi, have had sex with both genders, was never molested. Gay sex is as natural as water, high test men especially have high homosexual desires because they love their bros."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nholy cope"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>5\nThat’s just Christian social engineering tell you to hate yourself for primal urges that are beyond anyone’s ability to control, including the church’s. They hate what they can’t control so they seek to suppress something that is an inescapable aspect of your identity and makes them look like they’re clinging to a 2000 year old religious doctrine that doesn’t mesh very well with the modern world.\n\nRationally speaking our sexual behavior is nothing like that of say, a dog, who goes into heat, and the rut only lasts a few moments, and then they go back to their lives with the female now pregnant. Humans are far closer to Bonobo chimps who have sex thousands of times over the course of their lives no matter what season it is, but might only procreate a few times because the sexual activity’s purpose is more than just procreation. It’s also to fortify social bonds through acts of intimacy. Just like your thumb evolved to help you grip tree limbs but you can actually do so much more with it than what it was originally designed to do.\n\nAlso, if you don’t like anal sex, you don’t have to have it you can have oral or intercrural sex that are way more sanitary and get the point across of mutual intimacy for the purpose of fortifying social bonds. Building a fire is a wholly “unnatural” behavior that you’ll never see any other animal even attempt, but look what we can do by asking ourselves what is possible rather than what is merely conventional"}, {"id": 53, "content": "what does the bible ACTUALLY say about homosexuality"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nWhy do you play with other men's poop?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\n>high test men especially have high homosexual desires because they love their bros.\nbased"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npretty much, almost all of these ideologies, from feminism, homosexuality/LGBTQ+, race politics are just a way of saying \"no, God, I'm going to purposefully do this to subvert your creation\""}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>47\nthe only reason an atheist would bring up a sky daddy has everything to do with the fact they themselves lack a father and do everything to remind everyone else that their lack has inspired them to act inconclusive to everyone else. most serial killers were atheists."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nHe literally mentioned that you can simply engage in non-anal sex, you stupid illiterate nigger."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI had gay sex earlier today and I enjoyed it"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\ntell us more :3"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI feel like more often than not, gay people experienced sexual trauma when they were kids and became a homo. Pedophilia and Gayness are practically inseparable."}, {"id": 62, "content": "being gay means you have sex with men who act like women, the absolute worst of all worlds.\nabsolutely"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>52\nLmao what a load of retarded propaganda. If he doesn’t get outed as a notorious sodomite, he’ll eventually grow out of the phase and move on, as people used to do throughout history before lgbt ideology decided to inflict its retarded ideas about sexuality on society. Hell only have to be an “obligate” faggot if he becomes a notorious one, because women will want nothing to do with him (for obvious reasons)."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>13\nHow does a degenerate bomb work to have its effect? Is this a euphemism for TV and movies?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm gay and have enjoyed gay sex"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThat’s gay bro, don’t do that anymore okay?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nIt's like a dirty bomb but dirtier"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nHow doe it work?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\nEh, in my experience as a bisexual, men are a lot less retarded, even if they’re faggots."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the difference between Scottish mythology & Irish mythology? I was looking at the Poems of Ossian, but it seems to be a bunch of Irish fellas. I figured they were just both Celtic Gods, but people seem to specify that they're Irish."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally, nothing because modern celtic Scots are literally Irish people who crossed the sea in the middle ages.\nIgnore the soon-to-appear schizo affirming they're Gaelic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWait a second, by the time the dal riadans crossed by Ireland was already Christian, damn."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Irish people who crossed the sea in the middle ages\nThat's a myth itself\nThere is nothing at all to suggest this\n>>3\nThe men crossed into argyll were recorded to be from Spain like the Scots in Ireland in pre-history and spent their entire recorded history dominated by the Pictish high king."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\num"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEssentially the same because of the same origin for the most part and intimate connections between Ireland and Scotland from the beginning of the Christian era in Scotland to the Protestant church being established in Scotland"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone. Scottish originally referred exclusively to people in northern Britain who spoke Gaelic and more narrowly to people descended from Gaelic colonists in northwestern Britain from Ireland.\nToday it refers to a totally arbitrary geographic region of northern Britain where everyone speaks English and where people are overwhelmingly descended from Anglo-Saxons, Picts, Celtic Britons, Norsemen, Normans, Flemings and later Medieval and modern migrants.\nIt's a completely vapid, geographic term in the modern sense. In the original sense it was just used interchangeably with Irish. They were practically synonyms."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>area that has existed since c. 1000AD is arbitrary\nHm"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>modern celtic Scots are literally Irish people who crossed the sea in the middle ages.\nNo. They aren't. But the original Gaels in northern Britain largely were. They started Gaelicizing Picts and Norse people and then they all later were Englishized in addition to the Celtic Britons and Normans who existed in Scotland.\nModern Scottish people have barely any descent from Gaels. Gaelic Y-DNA is concentrated almost entirely in the far western parts of the region, which have always been incredibly sparsely populated.\nPeople in modern Scotland are overwhelmingly descended from Anglo-Saxons, Picts, Celtic Britons, Normans, Norsemen, Flemings and later Medieval and modern migrants, and they all speak English."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Picts, Celtic Britons\nMy ancestors :))"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>area that has existed since c. 1000AD is arbitrary\nThat's not what the modern term refers to. It refers to areas historically inhabited by Anglo-Saxons, Picts, Celtic Britons, Norsemen, Normans, Flemings and later Medieval and modern migrants.\nIn the vast majority of what we call Scotland today, Gaelic either had no presence whatsoever or was spoken for a few centuries at best (and probably only by a minority of people within these regions)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>They started Gaelicizing Picts\nWeird how people could \"Gaelicise\" people who were already Gaelic and could Gaelicise people they were subject to.\nYou might as well try to argue Scotland conquered England with James VI or Wales conquered England with the Tudors."}, {"id": 13, "content": "A genetics study conducted in 2013 discovered that around 10% of Scottish men may have been descended from ancient Pict communities. A characteristic genetic feature of the Picts is the Y chromosome marker known as R1b-S530 and this appeared 10 times more in males with Scottish patrilineal descent."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nCool... This isn't on topic. Op asked for MYTH which was discussed in Scotland not a discussion on pseudo-ethnology. Stick to the topic or make your own thread."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Weird how people could \"Gaelicise\" people who were already Gaelic\nThey weren't Gaelic. They spoke a less Roman influenced and archaic form of the Common Brittonic language.\n\n>and could Gaelicise people they were subject to.\nHow is that weird? It happened to the Norse too and they absolutely were not subject to the Gaels they conquered in Britain or Ireland. If you're a powerful minority ruling elite you do generally end up adopting the language of the common population you rule over after a century or two.\nThis has happened pretty much everywhere."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nIt is on topic. I explained here >>7\nhow there's no difference between the original Scottish myth and Irish myth.\nIf however he is using the modern term Scottish then you're talking about myths from all different ethnic groups that inhabited the modern region."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nThe study is from a defunct testing company and that dna signature arrived in Britain around 2000BC so I don't understand your post"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">Queen of Winter"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nhttps://www.ucl.ac.uk/biosciences/sites/biosciences/files/press_release_who_are_the_picts_scotlandsdna_25-03-2013.pdf"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nthe picts were goths"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\nThose are Picts, not Gaels. Well, the Christian missionary is Gaelic I guess. The other is a Pictish king and his guard and followers."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYeah"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nNope. All evidence shows they spoke Gaelic. They went to Gaelic councils in Ireland, had Gaelic names, Welsh records occasionally call them Gaelic, and many inscriptions exist showing Gaelic.\nAll evidence points this way and the idea of them being conquered by their own subjects comes from a single Argyll monk who was essentially racist towards the Picts. So it's the equivalent of asking a Tutsi to give a reasonable description of a Hutu.\n>How is that weird\nBecause it's as likely as the people in Wales making people in England speak Welsh.\n>you're a powerful minority ruling elite you do generally end up adopting the language of the common\nThe elite was entirely Pictish except the Church."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>>22\n>It has been amply shewn that the Piks were a Gothic people and the inhabitants of all present Scotland and its isles The Gaël or Celts in Scotland do not now exceed one quarter of the people The Lowlanders of Scotland amount to two thirds of its inhabitants Of the other third being Highlanders and people of the Isles a great part consists of Goths though now using the Celtic tongue For the Old Scots who came into Argyle in 503 were from the north of Ireland and were mixt with Crutheni or Piks inhabitants of these parts though the tongue had been lost in the surrounding Celtic In the Hebudes and in Argyle and the north of Scotland the Norwegians were lords for four centuries from the ninth and they in like manner lost their speech among the more numerous Celts When these parts returned to the Scotish crown the inhabitants remained as before The chief families in the Highlands are all of Norwegian extract The Celtic Mac is nothing it is the name itself we must judge from Thus the Mac Leods are so called from Liod Earl of Orkney: the Mac Sweyns Mac Neils with a score of others all bear the Mac with a Norwegian name Even when the second name is Celtic it was often taken by a Norwegian to gratify his subjects or bestowed by a Highland bard as the Mac Donalds are known to be direct male descendants of Reginald Earl of Orkney These Highland bards it is well known will alter a plain Gothic name to a Celtic one in a moment and are very ready in aspersing people with this honour A part of the Isles still speaks the Gothic tongue namely the whole Orkney and Shetland Isles The other parts speak Gaëlic but of them a great part are Goths though their speech be lost in that of the most numerous people"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>And that these few Welsh names in Scotland are most easily accounted for because they are either very ancient as those of rivers and mountains especially and perhaps of some towns and in that case remains of the old Celtic inhabitants or less ancient as some of towns and villages which arose from churches founded by Welsh clergymen Having thus it is hoped satisfactorily answered the whole arguments if they deserve that name for the Piks being Welsh I shall give the reader an abstract of invincible authorities and facts shewing that they were not Welsh and then leaving this controversy proceed to detail the real origin of the Piks 1 Tacitus says that the Caledonians or Piks were of Germany as he judged from their red hair and other marks that they were Germans The Scandinavians ever have been and are remarkable for red hair as are the other Germans The Welsh and Irish are a black haired race These marks in the days of Tacitus were as decisive as that the African blacks have curled hair the Indian lank hair 2 Eumenius tells that in the time of Julius Cæsar the Piks were the accustomed enemies of the Britons Could the Britons or Welsh be the accustomed enemies of themselves 3 Ammianus Marcellinus mentions the Piks along with the Saxons and other foreign nations who in fested the Britons 4 Gildas says the Piks came ab aquilone from the north to infest the Britons and always speaks of them as quite a different people Had they been really of his own Welsh countrymen what food for declamations had their cruelty to their own brethren been 5 Adomnan who about 690 wrote the Life of Columba the apostle of the Piks mentions that he had an interpreter between him and that people Columba was an Irishman so that the Piks could not be Gael and even from this they would seem not Cumri for we find Patrick a Cumraig preached to the Irish without an interpreter as may be seen in"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Cumrag"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>unknown\n>always asserted the Piks to have come from Scandinavia.\nI knew it. Valhalla is our video-game, Scotland."}, {"id": 28, "content": "The Aos-sídhe, Sìdhichean, or \"Fairies\" were originally the pre-Christian divinities of Gaelic Scotland. Christianity began to supersede most original mythology, causing the myths to diminish in power and prominence. The medieval Gaelic literati grouped them together as the Tuatha Dé Danann, who share certain characteristics with other characters in Celtic literature. Folk beliefs about the Banshee also reflect aspects of these beings. There are other supernatural beings whose characteristics reflect folkloric patterns from around the world. Ancestral spirits, and giants who help to form the landscape and represent the forces of nature, are ubiquitous and may point to non-elite registers of mythology."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Okay, so what I'm taking from this thread is that Scottish mythology is just Irish mythology, but they built new stuff on top of it. Or something akin to romans/greeks sharing the same pantheon."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n\"\"\"\"scots\"\"\"\" have no mythology\nthe ossian is a hoax perpetrated by a seething highlander"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\n>All evidence shows they spoke Gaelic.\nNo evidence shows that.\n\n>They went to Gaelic councils in Ireland,\nSo did many other non-Gaelic groups. Norsemen attended them. Anglo-Saxons attended them. Celtic Britons attended them.\n\n>had Gaelic names\nNo they didn't.\n\n>Welsh records occasionally call them Gaelic\nNo they don't.\n\n>and many inscriptions exist showing Gaelic.\nNope. Their inscriptions are in Ogham script, but it's Brittonic. It's the equivalent of writing English in Latin script, it's still English. It's not Latin.\n\n>All evidence points this way and the idea of them being conquered by their own subjects\nYou don't need to be conquered by a people to be culturally assimilated by them. See the Norse, Normans and others who succumbed to Gaelicization while ruling over subjugated Gaelic populations.\n\n>So it's the equivalent of asking a Tutsi to give a reasonable description of a Hutu.\nThis isn't a remotely comparable situation.\n\n>Because it's as likely as the people in Wales making people in England speak Welsh.\nNo it's the equivalent of a small conquering elite of Anglo-Saxons in Wales eventually adopting the Welsh language and customs of the population they ruled over. Or the Normans adopting the French language and culture of the population they ruled over (which they did). Or the Norse adopting the Gaelic language and culture of the Gaels they ruled over (which they did). Or the various Germanic royal houses adopting Spanish in Iberia (which they did). Or Italian in Lombardy (which they did). Or Slavic languages in Eastern Europe (which they did).\nThere are countless examples of this.\n\n>The elite was entirely Pictish\nYes the elite were Pictish. Much of the common population they ruled over in the western parts of Britain would have spoken Gaelic though. They probably took a lot of slaves from battles and raids in Ireland, who would all have spoken Gaelic. They probably bred a lot of Gaelic women, who would have spoken Gaelic."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nAh, you're one of those. I wish you would've posted that previously instead of me giving you the benefit of the doubt."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nCalm down"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>They probably took a lot of slaves from battles and raids in Ireland\nWhy did the Picts get with Irish women, lads? It's not fair. They have no asses."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>24\nWell a lot of that is actually true. It's not impossible the Picts could have originally been an early Scandinavian dynasty who first adopted Common Brittonic and later adopted Gaelic. They first appear during the Roman era. So it isn't impossible they came in to conquer a region weakened by Roman depopulation campaigns and genocide."}, {"id": 36, "content": "How did the Romans fail to beat the Picts multiple times? I feel like England and Ireland have been dominated by the English & French for far too long."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>21\nThe Picts spoke Gaelic according to Adam nan's life of Columba so you're post is worrying on that front.\nA Pictish man called \"Emmchatus\" was baptised by Columba. This means very wise and if Pictish was \"British\" the name should be Emmgatus not Emmchatus.\nThen there is Virolecus which according to the common rule of Welsh this should be Gw not V.\nBroichanus is pretty certainly connected with the Irish name Froechan which then would immediately prove the Picts to have spoken Gaelic if true without doubt.\nThe name of the chief Pictish kingdom too is decisive in the nature of the language \"Forteviot\".\nRecorded as Fothuirtabaicht, fothuir is Gaelic no matter how it is looked at matching either the Gaelic for wood, a compound of below-ground or district\nThen tabaicht means valour or effectiveness.\nSo being known as the \"Place of Valour\" is exceptional since this is exactly where the high kings were likely to have taken their role.\nAnd if you ask why modern historians don't say this then 50-30 years ago they seriously argued everyone in Scotland spoke Basque as their language."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\nRecords of ossianic poetry in Scotland go back to the 16th century"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>29\n>what I'm taking from this thread is that Scottish mythology is just Irish mythology, but they built new stuff on top of it\nNo. I explained this very clearly. Scottish refers to 2 very different things. The original Gaels in parts of northern Britain whose myth was identical to that of the Irish. And the modern geographic term which includes several different ethnic groups.\nIt's like comparing ancient Macedonians to modern North Macedonians. Understand?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">Poems of Ossian\n\nLiterally some of the best documented Fakelore in the West\n\nHe literally just wrote it as Scottish fan fiction of Irish myth in the 19th century"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\nGaelic missionaries from Ireland frequently recounted that Pictish villages were filled to the brim with Irish slavegirls. There is a famous tale from Adomnan where he tries to convince a Pictish wizard to free an Irish sex slave he has. He performs a miracle and convinces the Pictish wizard to release her.\nAs for why Picts would prefer Irish slavegirls. It's because they were slavegirls. And you can do whatever you want to slavegirls. They don't have rights. They are your sexual property, your concubines."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nIt would be a fan fiction of a Scottish myth not an Irish one since macpherson was inspired by the people in Scotland not Ireland"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>>38\n>>40\n>The poem of Fingal is today totally unreadable. Its story is of inexpressible tedium; its characters are as bloodless as the ghosts who provide its supernatural machinery; and they reiterate only the most highminded sentiments and vapid rhetoric. The context is an unchanging background of bleak crags, twisted oak trees, purple heather, raging storms and misty islands. But to the taste of the later eighteenth century, which had grown weary of Augustan formality, it provided, in instant form, everything that was most desired. It was sublime; it was melancholy; it presented the noblest of noble savages; and its rhythmical prose was a relief from the mechanical regularity of heroic couplets.\n>First, there was the style: the style of Ossian was not that of a ‘primitive’ poet: it fitted a little too happily into the taste of the moment. It also contained some passages suspiciously similar to passages from Milton and the Bible, among others;1 and although these similarities would afterwards be explained away by Macpherson as being independent observations of ‘Nature, the great original’, this explanation was not judged sufficient by the literary critics, who found the parallels rather too close. Secondly, there were historical objections. Macpherson's Fingal was represented as king of ‘Morven’ in Caledonia in the third century AD, and Ossian, his son, sang his exploits in the ‘Erse’ language in the same century. But what were the Scots, and their ‘Erse’ or Irish language, doing in Caledonia so early? Historically, they only arrived there in the sixth century AD. Before that, the country belonged only to the Picts. All this had been scientifically established by Innes in 1729; and although Innes himself had not expected to be read by Englishmen, it might be assumed that Scotchmen who undertook to judge the question were familiar with his work."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\n>A Pictish man called \"Emmchatus\" was baptised by Columba. This means very wise and if Pictish was \"British\" the name should be Emmgatus not Emmchatus.\nNope. Gaelic missionaries frequently Gaelicized names of Picts and Norsemen and others. This is well known. People of the time tended to render names in ways that were easier for them to pronounce or understand.\nA later example of this is English versions of Gaelic names like Donald etc. Or French versions of Frankish or Norse names."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nYou need help."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\n>Then there were internal objections. . In general, why were the poems so lacking in concrete detail? They seemed never to touch the ground: no one could deduce, from their thin, high-falutin' rhetoric, the economy, the state of civilisation, the morals, even the religious beliefs of the Caledonians – except that their morals were exquisitely refined and their religion happily free, like that of the eighteenth century, from vulgar superstition: the upper air was peopled only by the spirits and ghosts dear to the early romantic writers. . For the critics could not fail to notice that when Ossian did descend to particulars, he was frequently guilty of demonstrable anachronisms: late medieval ideas of knight-errantry,halls, towers,palaces in third-century Scotland.Could that be, the critics asked, why he so seldom risked such a descent? This was the view of Walpole, who referred to the poems's ‘sterility of ideas, the insipid sameness that reigns throughout, and the timidity with which it anxiously avoids every image that might affix it to any specific age, country or religion’. This timidity did not, he thought, bespeak ‘a savage bard’: ‘few barbarous authors write with the fear of criticism before their eyes’; and he added that if one removed from Fingal its essential furniture – ‘the moon, a storm, the troubled ocean, a blasted heath, a single tree, a waterfall, and a ghost’ – there was nothing left to anchor it in time or space.2 Finally, there was the problem of Ossian's language. If the poems of Ossian had been preserved in their original form, in ancient manuscripts, they must necessarily have been written in an archaic language which must be very different from that still spoken in the Highlands: as different (at least) as Anglo-Saxon from modern English, or Gothic from modern German."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>Essentially, therefore, the poems were Irish in origin, Irish in substance, and Irish in preservation. However, as we have seen, Celtic Ireland, its population, its language, and its traditions, had overflowed into the Highlands of Scotland; and since the Highland bards often learned their art in Ireland, and drew on an Irish repertoire – and indeed, according to Toland, were often themselves the refuse of Ireland – Ossianic poems were naturally carried to the Highlands to be recited or sung there too. They were probably first imported in the later Middle Ages, when the Macdonald Lordship of the Isles reunited the western Highlands and Ulster, previously severed by the intervening Scandinavian kingdom of Man and the Isles. Thus they were known to John Barbour, the fourteenth-century Aberdonian poet of the Bruce. They were mentioned – only to be dismissed as idle tales – by that other Aberdonian man of letters, Hector Boece. With one important exception, however, they were not recorded in early manuscripts; for the Highlanders were, and always had been, less literate than their kinsmen in Ireland. The exception is the so-called ‘Dean of Lismore's book’ which, as we have seen, had come into Macpherson's hands, most probably before his visit to the Hebrides, perhaps even before he went to Moffat: a manuscript collection of Gaelic poems and other writings made early in the sixteenth century by the family and social circle of a learned Gaelicspeaking priest who was vicar of Fortingall in Perthshire and also, under another hat, dean of Lismore in Argyllshire. Many of the poems in this collection – which amounts to about 2,500 lines of verse in all – are Ossianic ballads, and some of them are ascribed to ‘Oisin’ himself; but even here, the characters and the scenes are always Irish."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n>Gaelic missionaries frequently Gaelicized names of Picts and Norsemen and other\nNo they frequently Latinised them.\nAnd it's totally ridiculous to assume the monks were etymological geniuses able to do work that men were unable to do until the 19th century.\nIf someone borrowed the name Emmgat into Gaelic it would remain as Emmgat or turn something like Eamghat.\nIt is not possible for them to do what you suggest like that."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>You need help.\nI need help for telling you things that contemporary Gaelic missionaries reported about their missions in Pictland?\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broichan"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>No they frequently Latinised them.\nNo they didn't.\n\n>it's totally ridiculous to assume the monks were etymological geniuses able to do work that men were unable to do until the 19th century.\nWhat? They just rendered Pictish and Norse and English and other names in their own language. It's like the name Donald in English. It's happened all throughout history."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>If someone borrowed the name Emmgat into Gaelic it would remain as Emmgat or turn something like Eamghat.\nOr Emmchat. Which is exactly what it turned into. They would spell it that way and render it that way because that's the way they spelled and rendered those sounds in written form.\nThey also did this with Norse names and Norman and English names. Idiot."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>confuses Adamnan and Columba\nNot a great start.\nYes I just quoted Broichan and his name is extremely suggestice to being Gaelic."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\n>>47\n>>46\n>My theme in this, and the following chapter, is the history of this process of innocent ritualisation in Scotland: the process whereby the customs and costumes of the Scottish Highlanders, previously despised as barbarous, and at one time formally extinguished, were resumed, elaborated and extended. Thus, today, the kilt and the tartan are regarded as the traditional dress of historic Scotland: Lowland Scots imagine themselves as members of ‘clans’, and visitors from England are welcomed by the noise of bagpipes, and must struggle to read road signs in Irish lettering. The process was the work of a well-defined era: the century from 1745 to 1845. Before 1745, the Highlanders and all their customs were disowned and despised by every articulate Scotchman. After 1845 the Highland takeover was complete. The voice of protest, and of historical truth, was often raised; but it was always powerless. Romanticism might lose its power; but then tourism and commercialism would take over its legacy, extending and vulgarising it in detail. Today it is fixed in the elaborate rituals of Scots abroad, and in the well-stocked souvenir shops of Lowland Scotland."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>I just quoted Broichan and his name is extremely suggestice to being Gaelic.\nNo his name suggests a Gaelic rendering of a Brittonic name. You understand most figures from this period in the British Isles usually have several different renderings of their name in the various different languages they were recorded in right?\nThere's usually English renderings. Welsh renderings. Irish renderings. Latin renderings. Norse renderings.\nHow fucking dense are you?"}, {"id": 55, "content": "asf seething\nyour country is fake"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\n>o they didn't\nYes they did. This happens in the Life of Saint Columba for example.\nI see absolutely no point in continuing if you deny things from the most basic sources.\n>? They just rendered Pictish and Norse and English and other names in their own language\nYes and I told you if they did that it would result in something like Eamghat not Emmchat.\nYou are somehow confusing adjusting a name to a languages phonetic with re-etymologising it.\n>>51\n>Or Emmchat\nNo. It would not and there's absolutely no reason to assume they did not record faithfully what they heard.\n\nYou two posters have a fundamental lack of knowledge on how language works and what these men did."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\n>No his name suggests a Gaelic rendering of a Brittonic name\nNo it suggests it is an old form of Froechan which would be decisive in showing them to have used Gaelic."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>You two posters have a fundamental lack of knowledge on how language works\nYes. As opposed to the actual linguists who have taken a serious academic look at the Picts and deduced emphatically that their language was a type of Brittonic."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>As opposed to the actual linguists who have taken a serious academic look at the Picts\nSo you now admit you have no argument and are just appealing to authority of an imagined tradition like the druids in the story these names are from.\nI accept your concession and utter lack of knowledge on the subject of this literature and phonetics."}, {"id": 60, "content": "Anyway to draw a line under this, OP. The original Scottish people and myth were effectively identical to the Irish (and in fact Scottish and Irish were synonymous terms in olden times).\nThe modern Scottish people are a bunch of Anglo-Saxon/Pictish/Brittonic/Norse/Norman/Gaelic/Fleming and later migrant mutts who just speak English.\n\nThe only similarity they bear to the original Scottish is an exonym. And that's that. It's genuinely the most embarrassing and baseless ethnoLARP in history. It is legitimately worse than North Macedonians claiming to be Ancient Greeks."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>40\n>Scottish fan fiction\nAs oppose to Irish non-fiction?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nso all old Irish people got genocided/bread out? How, surely not all of them. Where are the numbers, statistics?"}, {"id": 63, "content": "The Irish came from Egypt, that's why they're not white"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nWe don't believe numbers"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nin the texts you're referencing, it says they were Scythians IN egypt, for whatever reason. Iirc they were merchants or something, but in other source it is a Scythian princess. So it's a bit confusing."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\n>so all old Irish people got genocided/bread out?\nNo but there just were never that many to begin with. They were mostly concentrated in the sparsely populated western parts of Scotland. Extremely poor agricultural land.\n\n>How, surely not all of them.\nRight, but if modern Scottish people are like 1-5% descended from the original Scottish. And they all only speak English. They're about as 'Scottish' as Norwegians are, aren't they, since Norwegians have minor Gaelic admixture through slaves.\n\n>Where are the numbers, statistics?\nDepends on the region of Scotland. R1b-L21 is around 50% in most of Scotland north of the Firth of Forth. South of that though, where 70-80% of the population lives You see R1b-L21 drop to as low as 15% in some parts. It tends to fluctuate between around 15-30% in the parts of Scotland were people actually live.\n\nNow. Most of that R1b-L21 is going to be from Celtic Britons and Picts, however. The vast bulk of it. So only a minority of that minority Y-DNA can be traced back to Gaels."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nSource, thank you."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nif someone had a y-dna pie chart map of scotland or britain that'd bee keewl"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\nLet's say even a third of that 30% is Gaelic (it isn't, especially not in the Lowlands). That's 10% Gaelic descent in modern Scotland, right. Now that's not including people of recent immigrant ancestry. So all those people with known recent ancestry from England or other parts of the world. Or people literally born in England or other parts of the world. They're not included in these studies. That further pushes down both R1b-L21 descent in modern Scotland and actual Gaelic subclades of R1b-L21.\nIn the Highlands it's slightly better. But still not much better. As you can see it's only around 50% there. Again most of that will be Pictish. Some of it will be Celtic Briton. And then you factor in that 30+% of the Highlands population today is English-born. Another significant percentage is from places like Poland, Baltia and other parts of Europe and the world.\nagain, you see Gaelic descent go as low as maybe 10-15%, and that's in the fucking Highlands. And that's being generous.\nIn the Lowlands. You're looking at trace Gaelic descent today at best.\n\nAnd 70-80% of the population of Scotland lives in the Lowlands.\nYou see what I'm saying here?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>unknown\na y-dna pie chart map would easily prove or disprove this"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nshit art"}, {"id": 72, "content": "ok here you go guys, actual data:\nhttps://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6154-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-Percentages-and-maps-for-England-Source-FTDNA-Y-DNA-projects\n\nAND the pie charts\nhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/fc/ea/0dfceabddc3cba5f343bf9f9701c850f.gif\n\nno, I can't post pics"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nwots with the south east having more l21 than the midlands and southwest"}, {"id": 74, "content": "The genetics this poster is referencing have nothing directly to do with the \"picts\" since it arrived in 2000BC\nIt is pre-celtic and maybe pre-indo European, I don't know much\nHe's just speaking nonsense utterly and clearly knows nothing about Scotland since its divided into the central belt and the rest of Scotland\nThen for some reason the mass immigration from the north of Scotland and Ireland to the central belt gave no dna to it"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nNormans. they carried substantial levels of L21. But it's not Gaelic clades. Germanic groups also carried minorities of L21. Again they're not Insular Celtic clades. L21 was just present in the Proto-Germanic homeland along with the more dominant U106.\n\nAs you can see from this. Gaelic Y-DNA sort of correlates with the survival of the Gaelic language. It died out largely due to demographic replacement.\nSure trace levels of Gaels would have been absorbed by English-speakers and other colonizations. Especially in Ireland.\nBut language shifted for a reason. Demographic change."}, {"id": 76, "content": "Why are the Irish always crying about muh cultural appropriation? Is this why everyone calls you niglets?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>pre-indo European\nLMFAO. It's 100% Indo-European. R1b-L151 is not found in Europe before Corded Ware Culture."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>72\npost pics"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nsure, here you go"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>unknown\n>ancient scotland\n>kilts\nAHAHAHAHA\nwait until he finds out the kilt was invented by an englishman"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>72\nYou do realize over half of that R1b is U106 in England and much of Scotland right? That's Germanic subclade. Another significant percentage of the R1b is DF27 and U152 with are more southern European clades brought largely by Normans and correlating with historical Norman, Germanic and Roman colonization patterns."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-L21.png"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nDo you not know how to read a color coded map? It literally shows L21 as low as 15-20% in some of the most densely populated parts of Scotland. Even in places like Glasgow and the southwest it barely hits 30-40%. And again, the vast majority of that L21 will be Celtic Briton and Pictish. Some of the remainder will have been brought by Germanic and Norman colonizations.\n\nEven in the vast majority of the Highlands of Scotland it's 50%. The only places in Scotland where it's darkest are, like I said, the sparsely populated western coastlands and islands.\n\nThanks for proving my point."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nIts okay. You've defended Ireland today. You can sleep now."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\nShamus, relax in your mosque"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>Thanks for proving my point.\nk e k, yeah bro, totes, let me know when you can actually see the data and actually understand it, until then, just lol"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nI just looked at the data. It shows exactly what I fucking said. Idiot. Take a closer look at those darker colors. You fucking blind moron."}, {"id": 88, "content": "The pattern is clear and matches the early death of Insular Celtic languages in the British Isles. They died out in the historic era largely through demographic replacement. There was some degree of absorption and assimilation, but it was partial at best.\n\nIn addition to this these regions are all genetically unrecognizable today due to mass immigration at numbers probably never before seen."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nAlso this map isn't entirely accurate. As it shows Greater Dublin as identical to the rest of Ireland. Which it absolutely is not. It has significant admixture with Germanic peoples. Sigificant Y-DNA replacement, pretty much on par with Ulster, if not greater. A historical legacy of the Pale and countless colonizations."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>84\n>>85\n>This account of the origin of the kilt was first given in 1768 by a Highland gentleman who had known Rawlinson personally. It was published in 1785 and excited no dissent. 12 It was confirmed by the two greatest authorities on Scottish customs then living, 13 and by independent testimony, from the Glengarry family. 14 It was not challenged for another forty years. It has never been refuted. All the evidence that has since been accumulated is consistent with it. Pictorial evidence also comes to its aid, for the first person to be painted wearing a recognizable modern kilt, not a belted plaid, appears in a portrait of Alexander MacDonell of Glengarry, the son of the chief who was Rawlinson's friend. It is interesting to note that, in that portrait, the kilt is worn not by the chief but by his servant- thus emphasizing, once again, its 'servile' status. 16 On all this evidence, the best modern authorities accept the story as true. 16 We may thus conclude that the kilt is a purely modern costume, first designed, and first worn, by an English Quaker industrialist, and that it was bestowed by him on the Highlanders in order not to preserve their traditional way of life but to ease its transformation: to bring them out of the heather and into the factory."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">umm hey can I discuss myths?\n>yeah sure heres 100 posts on pseudoscience genetics\n>this isn't myth...\n>STFU THIS IS MY THREAD NOW"}, {"id": 92, "content": "don't let the ca--"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>pseudoscience\nStop using terms you don't understand."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nThe Irish are the mutts of the UK"}, {"id": 95, "content": "I was born in America, but these are my stats.\n\n>Y dna branch U152> L2> Z49> Z142> Z150> FGC12381> FGC12378> FGC47869> FGC12401> FGC47875> FGC12384\n>80% Brit/Ir-ish\n>35% English/14% Welsh/15% Scot/11% Ulster Scot/5% Irish\n>14% German/3% Scandi-Finn/2% French & Dutch/1% India\nBe more concerned about seeking the truth than winning an argument."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>89\nDuring the 19th century there was a massive amount of migration from the Irish countryside into Dublin. This continues into the present day as people from all over Ireland move to the capital for work.\n\nIf any people of fully Old English-derived Pale stock still live in the Dublin area their numbers are dwarfed by later migrants from the rest of Ireland. My grandparents on my mother's side were real auld Dubs from Rialto, but their parents came from Cavan, Limerick, Wexford and elsewhere."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>90\nHere ill finish the conversation for you\n>that's a quote from a propogands book\n>umm yeah but\n>and the kilt goes back to the 1500s at least\n>umm actually thst kilt is unconnected to this one\n>okay and the modern style goes back to the late 1600s\n>SHUT UP\nThere"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\n>Be more concerned about seeking the truth than winning an argument.\nbased"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>>okay and the modern style goes back to the late 1600s\nIt doesn't\n>and the kilt goes back to the 1500s at least\nIt doesn't\nThe great kilt was simply a cloak wrapped about the body\nThe Kilt which we all know today was invented by Thomas Rawlinson"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\n>If any people of fully Old English-derived Pale stock still live in the Dublin\nYou're engaging in a nationalist racial fantasy and whitewashing of history. Genetics don't lie. And genetics show there is significant Germanic and Romance descent in Greater Dublin. That's almost half of the Republic of Ireland's population.\nNo. There wasn't some mass Irish migration that completely diluted the Germanic and Romance blood in Greater Dublin. At the same time as 1 million and more people migrated from Ireland to America and other colonies. You idiot.\n\nIn addition to this today 20% of Ireland's population wasn't even born in the British Isles and another large percent is either British-born or of full or partial recent British ancestry.\nYou are pathetic. You are mutts who speak English."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nThe only thing that the man may have invented, this being recorded by a man who hated the kilt, was sewn pleats. I'm afraid you lose now.\nAnd I don't really see why parts of Britain interacting with each other makes you so angry to Scotland. Very sad."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nOkay, you're that guy, I'm not even going to bother."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>93\nYou don't understand it I'm afraid. Very shameful conduct.\n>>94\nYes very on topic"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>100\n>no Norwegian dna in Northern Isles\nAh"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\n>give up arguing about language so moves on to completely fake genetic maps he's made\nYou should make a blog to vent instead"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nYeah, what the fuck"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>100\nThis can't be right, as Ireland is 90% black & muslim."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>102\nBother what? Trying to whitewash reality? Trying to pretend that Greater Dublin doesn't clearly have significantly elevated levels of Germanic and Romance descent compared to the rest of Ireland when it quite clearly does and every archaeogenetic study of Ireland repeatedly shows this? Pretending that the Anglo-Irish never existed and that they didn't number in the hundreds of thousands.\nYou're a fucking idiot. You're not only historical mutts. You're turbomutts today. Do you want me to show you Irish demographic figures right now? For the 2020s? Do you want me to show you how huge a percentage of Ireland's already mixed population is foreign born today?\n\nWalsh is your 4th most common surname. What do you think Walsh means? Brannagh is another really common surname with many variations. What do you think that means? (it means Briton).\nGallagher means Foreigner in Gaelic. In fact a ton of really common Irish surnames are exonyms professing the foreign ancestry of the person bearing it.\nNon-Irish surnames pretty much always match up with non-Irish paternal Y-DNA. But Irish surnames often have non-Irish paternal DNA as well because a lot of them are actually exonyms meaning things like Foreigner or Scandinavian or Welsh.\n\nYou are a fucking fantasist. You are delusional. And that's why your shitty fucking language died. Becuse you got mutted so hard by people who spoke other languages that it fucking died out.\nIrish republicans had to choose between promoting the Irish language and the Gaelicization of Ireland or alienating the huge percentages of the country who spoke English and didn't descend from Gaels. They opted for civic nationalism because if they hadn't Ireland would have been plunged into civil war and Greater Dublin would have very likely ended up remaining a part of the UK as with Ulster.\n\nYou ignoring these things doesn't stop them from being true. You pretending these things aren't or weren't the case doesn't stop them from being so."}, {"id": 109, "content": "My favourite SCOTTISH game"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>104\nThere obviously is. The map just obviously hasn't included it due to its size."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>108\n>Do you want me to show you Irish demographic figures right now? For the 2020s? Do you want me to show you how huge a percentage of Ireland's already mixed population is foreign born today?\nYou won't, and you especially won't show me the exact same for the Scottish as a comparison. It wouldn't look good."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>105\nI didn't make the fucking maps, you stupid cunt. They're made by people conducting archaeogenetic studies on European populations. The same studies you try and cherrypick from when people accuse Ireland of being a region of England because everyone just speaks England."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\n>and you especially won't show me the exact same for the Scottish as a comparison\nWhat do the northern English figures have to fucking do with anything? Who is standing here claiming \"Scot\"land isn't just northern England by this point. Nobody is. What the fuck are you even reaching for here?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nYou sound mad that Ireland is green England. If you didn't want that, you shouldn't have built the mosques."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>101\nyour nation is fake\nshutup"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\n>Trevor-Roper's reputation was \"severely damaged\" in 1983 when he authenticated the Hitler Diaries shortly before they were shown to be forgeries\nFake, you say?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>114\n>If you didn't want that, you shouldn't have built the mosques.\nYou seem to be under the impression western England (Ireland) isn't in the exact same boat when it comes to brown people and Islam. It is. And all those brown Muslims in western England (Ireland) are learning English, not Irish.\nSo the mutts who speak English (Irish) are being mutted even further with people who will only speak English at the end of it.\nIn Britain they are at least continuing the cultural legacy of the English people through being made to speak English.\n\nIn Ireland. They are continuing neither the cultural legacy of the Irish nor the genetic legacy of the Irish.\nSo who do you think comes out of this worse?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nOkay, we're talking about genetics though, not language."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nThe English are no longer being raped by the French, so they've all but given up their most cherished cultural legacy."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>116\nCope"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\n>Okay, we're talking about genetics though, not language.\n>In Ireland. They are continuing neither the cultural legacy of the Irish nor the genetic legacy of the Irish.\n\nRead what you're fucking replying to."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nC'mon, I got you. It was very silly of you to post Roper, with that kinda text. THINK, Shamus. You just don't THINK."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">Literally anything Gaelic on YouTube, or anything to do with Scotland or Ireland\n>It's really cool that some mythology from my ancestry are becoming increasingly known now, since there are so many Celtic blooded people all over the U.S. like me."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>119\nAnd yet the Irish are proudly continuing their cultural legacy of being raped by the rapebabies of the French. Funnily enough. Anything you want to try and slander England with slanders Ireland tenfold considering Ireland was the glorified cumrag of England and Little England (Scotland) for most of history, and still basically is.\nIdiot."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nSince when were the Irish being the cumrag of Scotland? Fuck off"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\n>Celtic blooded people\nYou mean this blood that is identical to the rest of Europe yeah? PIE/WHG/EEF mutts who speak English. Like the PIE/WHG/EEF mutts who speak English on the larger island to their east.\nYou stupid mouthbreathing fucking cunt."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\n>It's really cool that some mythology from my ancestry are becoming increasingly known now, since there are so many Celtic blooded people all over the U.S. like me.\nThis part was a YT comment I saw."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\n>Since when were the Irish being the cumrag of Scotland?\nNever heard of the Ulster Plantations, no? Never heard of Northern Ireland? Never heard of the Troubles. Never heard of the near complete historical eradication of the Gaelic language in Ulster.\nSince when was Ireland the glorified cumrag of Little England (Scotland)? Are you fucking serious?\n\nEngland raped Greater Dublin. Little England raped Ulster. The genetic, political and cultural legacy remains in these regions today and has effectively absorbed the remainder of Ireland."}, {"id": 129, "content": "So yeah, just to summarize the thread:\n>Scotland & Ireland shared the same mythology, and then splintered off. Scotland came up wit ha bunch of new shit like seals turning into hot women, and Ireland started worshipping Mohammed."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>127\nMy apologies. I thought you were saying this. You were quoting the mouthbreathers on YouTube."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nIreland doesn't exist anymore. And neither does Scotland. They're western and northern England now, respectively. They can ethnoLARP all they want. They are cryptoethnicities."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nEngland doesn't exist, so that makes no sense. Did you mean Wales? It would make sense that they're Nothern and Western Wales."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>128\n>Never heard of Northern Ireland? Never heard of the Troubles.\nThese weren't Scotland"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>128\nThis is the story of my family.\n\nMy 8th great grandfather left Scotland for the Belfast area. His grandson, my 6th great grandfather left Ireland for America and settled in the Shenandoah Valley.\n\nMy 6th GGF Samuel Black II and my 5th GGF (his son) John Black would both fight in the American revolutionary war. After the war the family settled in what we know as Blacksburg, VA. My 6th ggf had purchased 600 acres and given 300 to my 5th ggf and his brother. The land that belonged to my 5th ggf is now part of Virginia Tech University.\n\nMy 5th ggf and his brother founded and helped establish Blacksburg. It is also named in honor of my 5th ggf John Black.\n\nI obviously never met my ancestors, but comments like this help me get just a peek of what their life was like."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>128\n>Plantation\nBy God, the Irish are the blacks of the Anglos"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\n>These weren't Scotland\nThe Ulster Plantations weren't the brainchild of James VI of Scotland, no? The settlement of Ulster wasn't overwhelmingly English-speaking people of Germanic descent from the Lowlands of Scotland, no?\nYou can cope all you want, Lowland Scotland made Ulster its cumrag. England made Greater Dublin its cumrag.\n\nIreland literally got DP'd."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\nMy Mother's family lines would fall under the Scottish \"Hill Billys\" Appalachian Mountains in VA and NC. These Ancestors fought at King's Mountain."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>135\nThey're worse. Blacks are at least physically imposing and athletically gifted. Irish people are scrawny little faggots built like 16yo jockeys with all the obnoxiousness and mental retardation of black people. And they have the smallest average penis size in Europe to boot."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>137\nMy great grandfather Nathaniel Johnston was Scot-Irish-Presbyterian who had been settled in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, from where he joined the Union Army during the Civil War. Afterwards, when he got out in Iowa, he moved to Nebraska where he became a legislator. Then as a pioneer, he farmed down in Kansas where my maternal grandmother, Pansy Pearl was born, and her brother Edward who later became the vice president of the Rough Riders under Theodore Roosevelt during the Spanish American War 1898. Back to gr-grandfather Nathaniel. He and my great uncle Edward drove two teams of horses and covered wagons to Oklahoma, their last homestead. Pansy Pearl homesteaded in Quai county, New Mexico where she married the man, my father's dad, homesteading next door in 1910. My grandmother kept that 920 acre farm for the rest of her life. See Find-a-Grave for more on my Johnston Scot-Irish family. I am only recently learning this older history of my Scots-Irish ancestry."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nMy family was from the Scottish Lowlands (of Norman decent) and immigrated to County Tyrone during the plantation of Ulster. Were only there for a short period of time before settling in present day Canada ever since!"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\nMy great Grandfather came to America from Ireland as a child, abs our last name is Cooper, which means “Barrel Maker”. I actually have more Scottish in me than Irish though, and I’m extremely proud of my family’s hard work to build a better life in America and I’m very proud of my Irish-Scottish Heritage. As I’ve said , my maiden name is Cooper, so I’m wondering if any more of my fellow Irish Scottish people have the name Cooper… ? We did settle in North Carolina. God Bless all of you who make our Heritage so strong and beautiful.\n>>138\nPlease don't be racist! Ireland is beautiful and accepting!"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>134\n>Black\nA fine Germanic name. I myself bear a Germanic compound patronymic surname. It's of Medieval Crusader origins. It doesn't appear in Ireland before the Ulster Plantations and English colonization of Greater Dublin.\nMy ancestors basically left the Lowlands of Scotland/northern England, conquered Ireland, Englishized it and then returned after draining their balls in Gaelic maidens and knees in Gaelic blood.\nMy ancestors hunted and annihilated Gaels for sport. Taigbaggers, you could probably have called them at the time."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>139\nYour ancestors likely hunted Gaels for sport. Headhunting was common during the English-speaking colonizations of Ireland."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>142\nHoly shit KEK"}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>143\nThis is cruel"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>143\n>>142\nCharles Kingsley reborn"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\nThese were cruel times. The weak feared the strong. There was order to the world. Might made right. Do not judge your ancestors by the standards we set today. Gaels were barbaric people. They struck the first blow. They attempted to massacre English-speaking settlers in Ulster. This forever hardened the descendants of those that survived and the endless influx of reinforcements who followed them.\nGaels brought their downfall down upon themselves. Most conquered and obliterated peoples always do.\nCruelty begets cruelty."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably not a lot of difference, same myths but the Irish recorded them so they are \"more\" Irish due to Irish authors knowing Irish versions.\n>>4\nNo they werent, none of these people were from Spain. There is no Iberian admixture in the British isles except for South Wales where Pirates settled down, there is also Amerindian in South wales because they were kidnapping Mestizos."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>146\nWhite chimpanzee HAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 150, "content": "Weird. This thread has genuinely made me hate the Irish. Before I actually kind of liked them. Why is this stuff so infectious?"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nWhy did this thread make you hate the Irish?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\nThis Irish hatred. It's really infectious. I find myself getting incited and swept up in the fervor."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nBy God, what do you plan on calling them? White chimpanzees?"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nI don't know. But it makes me want to watch Gangs of New York. It makes me think of Butcher Bill."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nI just learned that Black Americans used to call the Irish “white niggers”"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>142\n>>143\nYour ancestors notoriously hid in castles and forts and refused to even look the Gaelic BVLL in the eyes.\nyour braggadocious behavior is also a distinctly Gaelic trait.\nThe Irony. It is in fact the MOST Gaelic thing you can do to find some trivial distinction such being 2% Swedish and then engaging in a generations long conflict with your immediate kinsmen you share 98% of your DNA with."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>138\n>physically imposing\nblacks are lanklets who arent even tall\nsmall torsos and baby heads\n>athletic\nthey have the most physical inequities, with a billion fucking people they produce only a handful of good Olympians and only from very niche groups doing niche things.\n\nsmallest penis belongs to Anglos, not the Irish."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>126\n>identical to rest of Europe\nexcept for being the most Aryan along with Icelanders.\n>>100\nGermanic Y DNA is a minority in the British isles according to more recent data.\nits actually very skewed in favor of R1b L21 with a study done by the French on British men found even Anglo-Saxon heavy areas 47/55 of them were R1b L21, this is extreme jomon dominance."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>155\nBlack prostitutes also used to refer to Irish customers as 'pencildicks' and stereotyped them as having thimblesized penises. The Irish Curse is a very real stereotype of Irish men with a basis in fact, for they have the smallest penises in Europe on average."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nIs that true? The smallest penis in Europe?"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>156\nI'm 50% PIE, 16.5% WHG/BHG and 35.5% EEF. I speak a language descended from Proto-Germanic. I have a Germanic name. My closest modern population is northern Dutch. I firmly cluster genetically with other Germanic-speaking populations of Europe, with whom I share a Bronze Age Corded Ware Culture ancestry. I have blond hair and blue eyes.\nGaels, back when they existed, were not my kin. And will never be my kin.\n\nGet that through your diseased little skull."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nAnd that will be my final comment in this thread. The Jomon memetard has entered the chat. Please do not engage with him. You'll only waste your time.\nTo Greater England, lads."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\nEngland? You mean France"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>161\n>I am typical northern european\nthis does not a Germanic make\n>I speak Germanic\nthis does not a Germanic make\n>my name is Germanic\nmine is Latin, I am not Latin, and again, you are not Germanic\n>my closest modern population is a mutt between Germanics and Celts\nyou are a mutt between Germanics and Celts\nalso your closest population (who arent within your historical nation) are North English and Welsh, not the Dutch.\n>cluster genetically with other Germanic speaking\nYou do not cluster genetically with Germans and Swedes.\nYou cluster exclusively with racial pre-Germanic Britons who speak Germanic or mutts of Germanics and Celts.\n>I share Bronze Age Ancestry with Germanics\nso do Slavs and Meds.\n>Gaels were not my kin\nyou are closer to an Iron Age Gael than an Iron Age Germanic.\n\nGet it through your warbler looking angloid head, you are not a Swedish Barrow King, ergo you are not and never will be Germanic.\nyou will always be either a Celt or a mutt with an identity crisis."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>162\n>>161\n>get thoroughly trashed by Jomonchad\n>leaves after just one post\nITS OVER"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\nStrong Scottish structure"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nAtlantic peoples all look the same."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\n>celt\n>anglo last name\n>Hibbert is a surname. Its origin can be traced back to the Old Germanic given name Hildeberht, which is composed of German elements hilde (battle or strife) and berht (bright or famous). Today it might be translated to \"bright battle\".\nYou will NEVER be celtic"}, {"id": 169, "content": "This is upsetting me, fellow Paddys"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>168\n>name = ethnicity.\nthere are a lot of 'Americans' you need to tell this to."}, {"id": 171, "content": "this is my ancestor..."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">check /his/ maybe once a week to sift through the absolute worst of the worst\n>anti-scotfag appears in 4 of these threads spamming the same shit over and over\nGet a fucking life lmao"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\nTo be fair, he taught me some new slurs for the Irish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you think a large chunk of Mohammedans will eventually realize that Jesus is literally the son of God?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "We can only hope and pray"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost of those who deconvert from their religion end up atheists, so, a few yes, but not the majority."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDo you know that or is this simply an assumption? And is it worldwide or western only?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Do you think a large chunk of Monotheists will eventually realize that idol worship and going to Hell is the way?\nNo, thank God."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you think a large chunk of Christians will eventually realize that the Gospels can't even agree on what day Jesus was crucified on?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1+1+1=?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nFound ((him))"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n10. In base three. I'm FINE."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nWhat day did Mohammed ride on a unicorn to the moon? You guys got a good date yet or what?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n∞*∞*∞=∞"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n∞/3=∞\n∞+∞+∞=∞"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nNTA, but holy fuck, Muslims and Christian’s are both retarded for believing this shit."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>heh its all stupid\nOk, what religion were your grandparents?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why this board obsessed with hitalians"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">why *thing i just made up*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're trying to larp as Romans to whom they have no connection. Without that, nobody cares about them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDenise Tantucci on the left, if anyone's interested."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nshe based"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\n> one thread specifically about italians is proof that /his/ is obsessed with italians"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nlooks like retarded samefagging to me"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey look like they reproduce with nafri and albanian migrants, whereas italian boys reproduce with sheboon migrants\n\nitalian men and women hate each other"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey need to know their place.\nThey have a huge inferiority complex, they either medpost and talk down on superior European peoples, like Nordics, the British, the French and others while LARPing as Romans, or they LARP as Normans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the French had more support from the U.S early on (i.e aerial support, naval support, armament support), could they have won in Indochina?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Everything was decided at Dien bien phu.Shouldnt have fallen for the Viet trap."}, {"id": 3, "content": "name one historical win against an insurgency"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMalaya. Right around the same time period in a similar place. Also, the Viets won in Cambodia."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nEvery conflict after the revolt of 1857 was an insurgency in India and they were put down."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nI was saying before Dien Bien Phu and the late stage of the war, i.e the late 1940s."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nAh yes, and those places are still under British rule? If not, when did the insurgency end?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nAlso calling the Viet-French conflict an insurgency is retarded. The Viets direct controlled a good chunk of territory in the North and used them as bases to spread insurgency. Pitched battles with conventional military tactics and units kept getting erupted. The climatic battle was one such battle in every aspect with conventional artillery and other weapons being used by the Viets."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nNothing would have changed. Maybe if they could infiltrate and snuff out the enemy ranks with American intelligence and money.\n>>7\nIt wasnt insurgency that ended British rule in India but the fear of mutiny because British Indian army was made up of......Indians."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nMalaya wasn't British during the Malayan Emergency you tard. They were a commonwealth country that asked for military assistance from the rest of the commonwealth, which they received. They then btfo of the commies. Also, decolonization often had nothing to do with actual wars or insurgencies, shit take is shit take."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nI think he confused the first Indochina war with the second and third lol"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nThe Malaya Communists were almost exclusively made up and supported by the Chinese minority on Malaysia. As such, they only had around 7,000 fighters compared to the 500,000 the Brits could pull up."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nIf Eisenhower intervened military, via air support - of course - which was an option but one which he declined to choose after being denied British support which would have presented the intervention as an international movement, at Dien Bien Phu, there is reason to believe the outcome would be different."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nHow would that have changed anything. What broke that backs of French dug in at their fortress base was firepower brought on by the hidden artillery dug into mountains and being surrounded. It wasnt running out of supplies but the attrition that they couldn't handle."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nMalayan Emergency.\nRed Army vs. Green Army.\nRed Army vs. post-WWII insurgency.\nPRC vs anti-communist rebels.\nSaddam vs. Marsh Tribes and Kurds\nTurkey vs. PKK\n19th century colonizers vs. rebels (general).\nVietnam vs. Montagnards\nThe Troubles\nIndia vs Naxalites (technically)\nIndia in J&K\nRAND study on the topic concluded that insurgencies lost about as often as they won."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nPeople often forget that the capability of insurgents in insurgent warfare is just as important as the shortcomings of the counterinsurgent. It's what separates the Taliban from ISIL."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nLol what. Talibs aren't anything special. They couldn't have won against Soviets or Americans if they didnt Pakistan providing them safe heaven to return to whenever things got too heated. Then we have Pakistani intelligence and commandos being involved directly in some cases especially when America was covering their tracks during the Soviet invasion. There is a reason Taliban isnt messing with Pakistan and creating trouble Pashtun dominated belt because it doesnt stand a chance against a conventional military when not being supported by a literal fucking neighbouring country."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n*Safe haven"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\nIraq"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nTrue, but the fact that they are capable of playing their cards correctly when it comes to neighboring countries is an incredibly valuable asset. Just compare it to ISIL which could have easily gotten support from Turkey or the Sauds but instead decided to go as radical as fucking possible. Also, the Taliban knew how to pick their battles, which is also extremely important in the realm of guerrilla warfare. Taliban are very smooth operators and are an exhibit A in how to be a successful insurgent army. Also, Taliban didn't fight the USSR. That was Mujahideen."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nafter ww2 french govt was controlled by leftist and the OAS nationalist hated them, OAS allied with Eisenhowers CIA trained and funded the Vietnamese just as reagen did with mujahedeen, most important thing to keep in mind is opium was a big money maker for nationalist KMT which controlled northern myanmar shan state and laos, they had to ship there heroin to Thailand, which were all under control of a right leaning nationalist govt, at the time. The left french wanted a piece of the action so they came up with a plan of taking Indochina back and ending the flow of heroin that eventually led to chinese nationalist and the Bonanno/Lucciano crime family, who is allied with trump by the way. Against the Gambino/Al Capono Clinton outfit. blackrock vs blackstone, kissinger vs soros, jew vs jew, same as it always was"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe if the Americans didn't get involved at all, they wouldn't have spent the whole war \"accidentally\" dropping all the supplies intended for the french straight into the VietMinh's hands they probably could have had a chance."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. If they couldn't win while the US was paying for the entire war no amount of extra aid could save them."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbsolutely not"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nSecond Boer War."}, {"id": 26, "content": "It wasn't so much a problem of military material as American support progressively increasing towards the end of the war but more of the unpopularity of French colonial rule/ a complete failure at propaganda. The main lesson I took from Bernard Fall and Lartéguy was just how utterly morally bankrupt the colonial administration was with money lenders running rampant, a decadent political local class and poor conditions among the peasants leading to radicalisation. At the end of the day there just wasn't a vision that local pro French forces could convincingly for fight while the communists by contrast presented an appealing narrative of national liberation and ending French Corruption."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBro the frogs lost in conventional warfare alone."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nThe French had successfully beaten a large insurgency in the Rif during the 20s and had put down another one in Madagascar during the late 40s. The British put down the Mau Mau rebellion along with Malaysia around the same period."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So you’re telling me after 476 somehow people went from living in big metropolises made of marble that were part of an empire with administrations, banks, standing armies, political systems etc… to living in mud huts and working for a lord who served a shitty king? It just doesn’t add up, I’m not buying it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody wanted to work so they forgot how to maintain shit, then germs move in and bring their practices with them, simple as. As a side note my local PUD were supposed to replace a pole yet they refuse to work so its still laying out here in my yard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes\nRead The Decline of the West from Oswald Spengler"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>with administrations, banks, standing armies, political systems etc\nCarolingian Empire had all those though"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nprove it, tho"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is the conclusion always that Rome was an anomaly and not that Rome was embellished?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nOkay boomer"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMy PUD is full of boomers who get paid regardless of whether or not they work"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Rome never existed, it's a myth invented in the 1300s by atheist Petrarch to denigrate medieval European society"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs the system becomes more corrupt I get more of an urge to be self sufficient. In that situation children will have more freedom and be more locally focused, including less likely to educate themselves with complex foreign philosophies etc. They'll like playing with the horses more. Over a few generations it's likely a lot of knowledge will be lost and things that break can't be replaced anymore. They'll be hungry horse people eyeing the gold in the remains of the dead or dying empire."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause your vision of the Late Roman Empire is idealized.... you think it all suddenly collapsed when in reality it was more like a gradual breakdown over two-three centuries of chaos.\n\nBy the time of the Crisis of the Third Century, trade networks had broken down, bandits ravaged the countryside, barbarian incursions were constant and Rome had to rely on other barbarian mercenaries to fend them off, inflation was rampant which meant local authorities had more trouble collecting taxes, sometimes they had to collect in specie (crops, etc.)\n\nThe breakdown of trade networks during the periods of chaos, caused local nobles to try and become self-sufficient, this meant the development of what was called the \"house economy\" on large countryside estates, they begun developing their own weaponry, pottery, armor, etc... rather than relying on trade with the cities to procure these items. The local noblemen sealed themselves off in their vast estates, eventually putting palisades and walls around them to prevent raids, they would also provide protection to the local town with their private armies, so the development of feudalism was gradually taking place.\n\nAs the trade networks broke down, tradesmen in the cities, that depended on this trade to survive, were threatened with starvation, and begun emigrating massively. They went into the countryside and became coloni, debt-slaves forced to pay for the lord's protection and shelter with their agricultural labor. Coloni were basically proto-serfs... laws eventually tied them to the land and made their status and debts inheritable by their children.\n\nThere were ups and downs, the Empire would recover, enact some reforms to survive, enjoy a brief revival in trade and economic activity, but everytime it returned weaker and the trend towards feudalism would be reinforced upon the next crisis or period of instability."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyes, but it didn't happen overnight obviously\n1) loss of Africa meant loos of grain supply (same happened for Constantinople after losing Egypt), not surpsingly, you cannot feed densely populated cities with just local production (greek city states like Athenes also relied on cheap grain impprted from Crimean area)\n2) same goes for army, you cannot maintain vast armies without grain supply\n3) reduction of city dwellers means people who could have become skilled engineers and artists now have to do agriculture, which results in technological and artistic stagnation or even decline\n4) now you lack someone to supply and maintain the marble. Quarry for Athens was 16 km away from the city, Carrara for Rome is 400 km away (has a port though)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nYeah it had them like 300 years later, what about the intervening period?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>476\nConstantinople was 300k-500k big by then\n> empire with administrations, banks, standing armies,\nERE had it all until 1204"}, {"id": 15, "content": "By the way, if you check more closely your history schoolbooks you will notice in some instances is not that things completely collapse, instead the focus shifted from the mediterranean to northern Europe, which was still in the mid iron age when the Roman Empire collapsed"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nnobody cares about the wopentine \"empire\""}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIgnore all the byzantinoboo propaganda, the fall of the western roman empire was less dramatic than it's normally portrayed and generally speaking italy was not in ruin, that only happened a few decades later when justinian sent his greek hordes to pillage and plunder the urban centers (rome, milan, ravenna and many others were sacked by them in more than one occasion) and the countryside was btfo'd so hard that the italian peninsula wouldn't recover until centuries later."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nso called destroyers of rome, the ostrogoths, tried to restore roman monuments, whereas so called real romans, the byzantines, destroyed the whole peninsula."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>Because your vision of the Late Roman Empire is idealized.... you think it all suddenly collapsed when in reality it was more like a gradual breakdown over two-three centuries of chaos\nThere should still be much more evidence of government and materials produced than what we see. It's like a dark age between 500-800 AD.\n\nPersonally I think the Christians destroyed everything."}, {"id": 20, "content": "No. It was a gradual decline. The Germanics did their best to maintain much of the Roman administration because of how useful it was, and even employed the Roman aristocracy for this purpose. The Roman Senate for example continued to function until at least 603, which is weird for an empire that \"fell\" in 476.\n\nThe Empire had been falling since before 476, and continued that fall well after it too. It took centuries to completely collapse. Rome wasn't built in a day and it wasn't destroyed in a day either."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>So you’re telling me after 476 somehow people went from living in big metropolises made of marble that were part of an empire with administrations, banks, standing armies, political systems etc… to living in mud huts and working for a lord who served a shitty king? It just doesn’t add up, I’m not buying it\nOf course not only one to two cities were like that, even in them the non rich lived in cramped favelas. 95% of the romans lived in sub saharan tier mudhuts in rural areas"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\nLiar? Retard? Lying retard? Which are you?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If God exists, why did he let my gay dads pimp us out to his homosexual activist friends?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "it's adam's fault"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIF GOD WHY BAD THING HAPPEN?????????????????"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>postulate omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent being\n>baffled why people ask why bad thing happen if god\nPeak e-christian intellect."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWhy did god make some people gay?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "The existence of homosexual demons is evidence for the existence of God"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nFree will"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nGod didn't make anybody gay."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe takes my sin away and puts it in souls yet to be born, that's how gays are made"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nkek"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be whites\n>become atheists\n>legalize homosexuality\n>allow faggots to adopt kids\n>\"hurr durr why god\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFree will or something, my nigga."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If God exists, why am I evil?\nEpicureanism is necrosis of the brain cells"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\ngnosticism"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nWhy are they gay?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>>If God exists, why am I evil?\nthis but unironically. godly omniscience makes it a legitimate question. every action we take is known by god's omniscience before our birth, and he knowingly allows those actions to come to pass by not preventing our birth."}, {"id": 17, "content": "You know, “faggot” is just another word for kindling for a great big fire."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nDid you know fag in old english means enemy?"}, {"id": 19, "content": "It‘s not God‘s fault your parents didn‘t love you."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nThe existence of an omnipotent being contradicts free will. God already knew you will be gay infinite time before you were born. Abrahamfaggots can't even understand their own religion as usual"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nDon’t the English also have a tradition of fagging where younger school boys would serve the older ones? Doing things like getting them groceries or cooking for them for example."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nBeing a degenerate is a choice"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nBecause of sin."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey have as much free will to hurt you as you have to save your own soul."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFaggotry only started happening when the Soviet Union began working with Satan to create the first degenerate bomb. The bomb was dropped stealthily across America in order to create faggots, those who did not trust God fully were raped by Satan and turned into the first faggots. God in turn to stop this satanic overtaking of America created AIDS to destroy the faggots at their core.\n>but muh Greeks\nHistorical vision by faggots and sodomites trying to pretend faggotry existed before the degenerate bombs were dropped across America.\nThe faggots will not stop until they out breed us or turn us all into Satan worshippers.\nSatan has always been trying to destroy America since its foundation, as a true bastion of Christianity, free of Satanic Papism. Until the Athiest Satanic Soviet Union had been created Satan did not have a stronghold on earth to create faggots. After their first nuclear bomb they created satanic pact to get degenerate bombs so the atheistic satanic soviets and the devil themselves could destroy their mortal enemy, America"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>see child\n>imagine child sexual abuse immidiately\n...why are you like this?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\ndude... those guys literally adopted their kids, raped them, and trafficked them. I'm fairly sure they also made pornography and uploaded it online."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\n>be born in sin\n>WHY AM I SINFUL\nHmmmm"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Why can't gay people stop molesting little boys"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How was single motherhood seen in the past, and how widespread was it in certain places and times in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">japan that high\nno no no weeb bros we got too cocky"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is America so high"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWelfare and feminism incentivize single motherhood."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Welfare and feminism\nBoth things most of Europe has more of."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHigh black population."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThat’s an awful lot of words to say “jews” anon"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nYoung American men are on average hedonists who don’t want to commit and American women are famous for choosing the worst mates possible to have children with (criminals, deadbeats, drug addicts, meatheads etc.)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes because they are ethnically Slavs and Slavs are related to Schytians."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>and Slavs are related to Schytians\nrelated by being rapebaby, amerite nigger? slavshit scum can`t take break from their self-centered faggotry"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo and never did, except culturally as horse nomads, whom chroniclers called \"Huns\" or \"Scythians\" regardless of origin.\n>>2\nThat's not what \"ethnicity\" means Amerishart retard."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Mark Anthony being remembered as Caesar's \"best subordinate\" instead of Labienus is one of the greatest tragedies in history."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBreaks my heart"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLe Benis :DD"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's a filthy traitor"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It helps that he didn't (immediately) betray him for Pompey. It's sort of like how Decimus was also one of Caesar's ablest and beloved lieutenants (to the point of being named one of his heirs in his will) but kind of just gets completely forgotten and instead conflated with the other Brutus."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who are the biggest sluts in history? I'll start with an obvious one"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObligatory Josephine post."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean, can you blame Bill?\nHis wife was a stuck up hag that probably set Monica to suck his dick so that she could get some sympathy points and prop herself up the political ladder.\nAlso, IIRC, Lewinsky had curves."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhen you are the most powerful man in the world you are allowed to get some head from a side-chick, I don't care what any woman says."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThere are worse things to get impeached over"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, Bill was an almost legendary manslut."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">getting blowjobs outside of an elementary school from your 20 year old secretary as you wait to pick up your daughter\nBill \"Child Diddler\" Clinton"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Kennedy was a manwhore"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nTheres no such as a \"\"\"\"\"\"manwhore\"\"\"\"\"\" you mean Chad."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSluttishness is trashy on men and women. Deal with it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBased."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok I need reasonable insight here, please no stormfront stuff, I'm not disparaging you, I agree mostly, I just want more \"scholarly\" input here.\n\nIf the \"Khazar\" theory for where Ashkenazim come from is a myth; why are they just overwhelmingly from eastern Europe. Ashkenazi Jews in the US and in western Europe overwhelmingly trace their heritage to states EAST of Germany, and there is no significant historic pretext for this population in these numbers to be located in that region of Eurasia. Is the Khazar theory really just easily dismissed as anti-semitic propaganda?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe JEW pilpuled the cuckolded dildo to goatse the anus of Niggers which is why soderentini is mostly Jew-free but Borsthc eats your jew shit."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nop here: you're not funny and no one thinks you're smart or edgey, not even at your high school, shut up and consider suicide."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no doubt khazaria existed, but there were plenty of Jews in Europe before any migration from khazaria would have happened. So yes and no"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWhy do you leftypol dindus soi the pilpul anus?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThank you. Great reply and I agree with you. But how many are we talking? I feel like the modern ashkenazi population all seem to have this eastern european trend in their ancestry and not a great deal from places like France/NL/Germany/England. We all know there were jews in these places for a very long time, but where are they now?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do people think that there are no connection of Eastern European Jews to the Mirazi Jews of Persia?\n\nA 3rd great grandfather of mine out of Ukraine has a name that means something in Iranian, but has no meaning in Turkic languages."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThere may be some vague connection but a population as large as the global Ashkenazi population we're gonna source to Persia because of a story you heard from your grandfather?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nIt's probably a mix. You can look at laws by Charlemagne and Early Christian kings on Jews, but getting populations counts is impossible. I'm sure the farther east you go, the less Hebrew genes you'll see. At least above the black sea"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews migrated to Poland and Lithuania in the 14th to 16th centuries because they were persecuted in Western Europe while there they had religious toleration. They spoke Yiddish, a Germanic language with no trace of Turkic influence except from Turkic loanwords into Russian. Their first names were of Hebrew, German or Old French origin, and none were Turkic. Everything points to a Western origin of Ashkenazi Jews."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nWhat's the name?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Poland was the only kingdom in Medieval Europe which treated Jews equally to non-Jews. Hence when Jews were constantly being expelled and massacred in Western Europe, they started moving to Poland. The Polish kings were also eager for skilled and educated Western European migrants to help develop their economy, and were thus very welcoming to German, French, English and Italian Jews. In the Russian Empire, all the territories where Ashkenazi Jews lived were in the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and nowhere near Khazaria."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nSo this group is monolithic, all moved out and left almost no populations in western europe to speak of, multiplied to great numbers and then migrated back? Not being facetious but that's what I gleaned from what you've said and some of my understanding prior."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nOP here! Thank you! Can I get some digestible sources to back this up? Particularly about the Jews of the Russian Empire largely being absent from the black sea regions! Thank you really for that, eastern europe is a bit of a blind spot and I don't want to operate on erroneous preconceived notions."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThere were always Jews who remained everywhere in Western Europe, and not an insignificant number. Of course now there are almost none because of the Holocaust. What's more impressive than the 14th–16th century migrations is the mass exodus of Jews out of the Soviet Union in the late 1980s and 90s, where something like 90 or 95% of Soviet Jews have moved away, mostly to Israel and North America in two decades."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThey were present to some degree in the Black Sea region, but mostly in western Ukraine in the band which formed the Pale of Settlement and lined up mostly with former Polish Lithuanian territories within the Russian Empire, and east of that Jews were not permitted to settle. There's a book called the Jewish Dark Continent which talks about the Pale which is quite good."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Of course now there are almost none because of the Holocaust\nNobody's falling for the pilpul, Moishe."}, {"id": 18, "content": "ashkos derive like half of their dna from southern european people, with the other half being from the middle east"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nExplain the blond ones (which remain to have large middle eastern noses etc.) I'm not disagreeing I'm just asking, explain the ruddy and blond jews found in hasidic communities notably NYC etc."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nthey're a minority even among ashkenazim. those are the ones with more slavic (or irish in the case of new york. ethnics mixed) blood and it's not like israelites can't have light features, king david was ginger for example etc"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThere is nothing to suggest that the Jewish population in NYC would have mixed at any great length with Irish people."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nso? it's not like all new york jews look the part"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nElaborate, look the part of what? Look like jews? I think they do."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>17\nI know I'll be accused of just more pilpul, but if he said everything he did without the holocaust comment would it still be pilpul?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nlook much like east europeans. most just look like normal jews, some look a bit lighter."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI can see your huge nose from here."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI'm extremely not jewish, but whatever"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nSecond Jew on the right in the socon drow looks like Trevor from GTA5"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsian eyes"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Christians call Islam oppressive when they aren’t even allowed to leave a horrible spouse?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAdultery is biblical grounds for divorce."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNot according to Catholicism and Orthodoxy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nYes it is. It literally says in the Bible that you can divorce due to adultery, and it won't be sinful on your part."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAdultery is to be punished by stoning according to the Bible."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>EO\n>Papists\n>care about what the bible actually says\n>implying they're literate enough to read"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe don't which exposes your lie.\nWhat is your agenda for lying?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs it wrong that the thing that bothered me most was the bad grammar? What the fuck does it mean to be pregnant FOR someone?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHe wanted her to be pregnant, so she became pregnant for him."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>>6\nNowhere in the Bible does it say that you can divorce your wife due to adultery."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nHmmm…"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJoseph stayed with Mary and celebrated his cuckoldry"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nCould have been a surrogate mother for him."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you can divorce your wife due to adultery.\nRetard\n\n>Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">ATLANTIS"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis shit always makes me think that Graham was a fan of Lucas Arts point and click adventures."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>those lips\n>that NOSE\nKANG"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhy did that show make so many onions historians seethe so hard? I've never seen so much butthurt, not even over ancient aliens."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHaven't seen the show, but my guess is that he says dumb things and people are falling for it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Blacks were in Atlantis\nNo wonder it was destroyed"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThere's plenty of dumb shit on Netflix. I don't see archeologist coming together over the Celopatra \"documentary\". Ancient Apocalypse was treated like fucking 9/11. All I saw on YouTube, Twitter, TikTok (inb4 zoomer) were historians, archeologists, archivers, scribes, everyone deboonking every single second of that show. I don't even believe Graham but the sheer fact that he caused so much seething it made me like him a little bit."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe sheer fact that he caused so much seething means that he is probably on to something"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nDefinitely makes me think he has a point"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nCareful, archeologists might make a video deboonking /his/ for association with Graham."}, {"id": 11, "content": "I literally typed in \"ancient apocalypse\" and this was one of the first results. This cannot be healthy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>I don't see archeologist coming together over the Celopatra \"documentary\".\nDoes the Cleopatra \"documentary\" imply that all historians and archeologists are liars conspiring to silence the creator?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt implies yt peepo are conspiring against blacks and hiding their \"true history\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis stelae is a map and jewtards are nervous about this fact potentially reviving nazi sympathism. (it never was a lunatic fantasy,- but real, grounded in archeology, myth and language.)\nAlso many retarded biblecucks and \"scientists\" have no concept of the earth or human civilization being older than 6000 years old, like the tales of Ragnarok and Atlantis implies.\nJewish scientists are really just enforcing the taboo status of the \"pre-ragnarok\" previous cycles of europe.\nThe top jewish scholars knows for a fact that the Elohim simply speaks of indo-european \"Elves\" as in white river peoples of northwestern europe.\nThey don't want the white man to substantiate the meaning behind their fairy tales because it exposes them as worshippers of whites at best, and slaves of satan or kinslayers at worst."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown\nKek\n\nI wonder what Graham's Atlantaens would think about his race mixing and if they'd be proud of their biggest fan."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nwhat is it with speculative historians and having black wives?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nMost of them smoke copious amounts of cannabis and meet black girls during their forays to the ghetto."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nyou clicked on that guys channel where he has a series of videos about the series\n\nhow is this not normal for youtube"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>NOOOOO you can't just have sex"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nGrahams wife is from malaysia."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\nthey were just regular headhunting hunter-gatherers with an unusual level of organization at globekli tepe and similar sites."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\n>no Christians have conception over 6000 years\n\nIt’s not 1980 anymore, American Protestants aren’t even young earth creationists"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nMost aren't even protestants anymore because it's too \"uncharitable\" as the crying whore of babylon calls it. State religion is atheism anyway, same in most of the fallen West too, and you idiots think your gay atheist creation myths are science because the \"experts\" said so, really makes sense why catholics never protest anything other than protestants."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>4\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\nGraham is not a maverick who is uncovering some sort of intentionally hidden truth or \"shaking up the establishment narrative\" if that's what you legitimately as a thinking person, believe. He is making no inroads he is asserting claims that he fashions after he has found something that a laymen might misconstrue as evidence for said arbitrary claim, he is not a scholar, he is a fraud very much in the style of von Daniken. Often it is so that social media/internet sector thinks they're helping by stifling viewpoints via obvious algorithm manipulations or whatever it is that they do, but all they're doing is ignoring how much the public distrusts them and lending credence to this man's fraud."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>8\nof course he was. Most \"archaeologists\" a.k.a art historians are not scientists in any sense"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\nkek"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this from one of the sites in turkey or the Levant?\nI wonder if any Natufian/Anatolian/Zagrosian like populations lived in other parts of the world but got totaled by the younger dryas leaving no traces. According to Nemets there were some in south india."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI have an unhealthy fetish for those times.\nCaptivating. Almost like the Hyborian age."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>15\nThat makes him even more based"}, {"id": 30, "content": "So what's even Hancock's claim? He talks about a hidden civilization but he doesn't mention the Nephilim, or the Flood, or the giants? So what's he actually claiming?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>21\n>>22\n>>23\nwhen PP comes to shove anus, they won't even look at the cultural evidence anyway,- protestant, atheist and catholic alike.\nthose with an IQ high enough to connect the evidence together are too afraid of the backlash from retards and self-invested headcanon scientists to go public with it. because of this, secret clubs of vague statements and taboos form instead, that both intellectuals and retards look down upon.\nthe truth will always imply superiority of one group over another, which is why the collective ignores and censors disputes to protect its own cohesion."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nSo true. That's why Amerindian higher development rate ever being mentioned here receives immediate backlash in every single truthpill thread."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>18\nIn the sense that graham hancock's episodes are like 30 minutes each, while these videos are 45-55 minutes each deboonking each episode. It's an immense amount of effort that I never see anywhere else from archeologists online."}, {"id": 34, "content": "the netflix series has some of the best filmography of the still existing wonders of civilizations and that alone is good enough reason to watch it. Make a better documentary and I'll watch it."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nI've read his books, and in all honesty ye doesn't represent his hypothesis very well in the show at all. There is actually plenty of evidence, lots of it geological, that helps his theory, but is far from proving it.\n\nThe theory goes as follows:\n>At the very least, there is an advanced civilization 12,500 years ago\n>This civilization suffered a massive extinction level event on the earth\n>3 separate asteroid cluster impacts over the course of 1000 years or so between 12,500 and 11,500 years ago warmed the earth up (meltwater pulse 1A), causing sea levels to rise. A second cluster of asteroids hit the earth plunging it into a sudo-nuclear winter from the impact, lengthening the last Ice Age (keep in mind the time between meltwater pulse 1A and the refreeze is pretty small per geologists, so much so it was almost overlooked). A 3rd and final astroid cluster hits earth, this time it's just right. Strikes our polar caps, immediately melting billions of gallons of ice and turning it into water, the rest being evaporated and turned into massive rainclouds. Kills most megafauna in North America.\n>This ancient advanced lost civilization is utterly destroyed. The entire world is flooded and the landscape is changed forever.\n>The remnants of the lost civilization take refuge with the hunter gatherers, due to them being the only people who really know how to survive under harsh conditions\n>these remnants are spread out throughout the globe, although the theory gets a bit shaky on if they were supposed to travel to South America before or after the younger dryas event (the astroids hitting the earth ending the last ice age).\n>regardless, the remnants teach the hunter gatherers things like agriculture, writing, law. Society.\n>they could be from Atlantis, but maybe not\n>Atlantis is mentioned because Plato's story about its destruction aligns well with Graham's theory about some unnamed lost advanced civilization.\n\n\nIt also involves water erosion on the sphinx. 2 lazy."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>my ancestor :)"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nAlmost as if he has yo explain things, weird"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\nArcheologists hate him because he's famous and has a super successful show on Netflix, all while nobody cares about them or their groundbreaking 200 page PhD thesis about Numidian pottery shards and the gender identity of the local olive oil merchants."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n>muh third impact\nIs Hancock an evafag?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nI never read any of his stuff but what Plato wrote about Atlantis told me where to find a gigantic lost land in the Sahara that according to new scientific data was still somewhat green and populated by people as late as 3k years ago. At the time of Plato the books say Atlantis was surrounded by mud, not sunken.\n>advanced\nBut still stone-age. The most advanced tech may have been something like a magnetic needle floating in water pointing north. This would be consistent with an expansion along a magnetic line like the line ancient megaliths fall on, this means at the time the magnetic north pole was in Canada which it often is. The desert around Atlantis is covered in manmade polished rocks with holes, weights for fishing lines.\n>Asteroid cluster\nSouth America was worst hit, forests have layers of char at that level, good fertilizer for an Amazon. According to the myths Atlas the king of Atlantis first developed astrology which makes sense since right after signs appeared in the sky global destruction followed.\n>polar caps, flood\nNo. We can measure exactly how old each part of the polar caps is. There were several large meltwater events at the time but none at a level of global flood. The Atlantis flood was caused by the same phenomena that made the Richat structure, pressure interactions make the whole area pop down and then up again relatively quickly as far as geological things go. The asteroids and melting ice released pressure that pushed the area up violently, that's what the entirety of the texts from Plato describe, not a sinking of an island.\nMany confuse this with more recent floods in the Black Sea which ancient Greeks document, they sunk islands and put swathes of land permanently under the water."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>33\nWhat is unusual in this? It's simply archeologists mad that a someone got successful selling shit and lying."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nYou do know that volcanic pumice, bog vegetation and in general all kinds of woods and grass can clog up the OCEAN (the word he used was for water) for a long long time, right?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>4\nbecause he continues to dupe people into believing some kind of vague world spanning advanced civilization once existed and we're all descended from them/the elites are hiding it. So now when people know I have a degree in this, they often want to be nice/friendly and try to talk about it. But instead of going \"colosseum so cool, they really fought to the death?\" like the used to, now they go \"so how much is hidden? What do you think about the pyramids and vibration?\" and all kinds of dumb shit - putting me in the awkward position of either going full autist and telling them they're retarded, or just nodding along and smiling. Hancock says the dumbest most easily debunkable shit and then throws a fit when he's clowned on. He acts like \"the rich and powerful ESTABLISHMENT, the secret globe spanning archaeological society is out to get me to suppress my evidence!\", when in reality, he is just retarded and knows nothing about history or archaeology, or geology, for that matter. Also - archaeologists are broke AS FUCK. It is SO FUCKING HARD to get funding to dig anything. You have to write and teach bullshit all year to MAYBE go on a dig once every 5. The idea there is some kind of archaeologist lobby that controls the history is just fucking absurd. Spend any time in a university department of history, classics, archaeology, linguistics, Egyptology, etc, and you'll know that such an organization would be impossible."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nngl those floaty heads are pretty creepy, like what the fuck were they thinking when they were in those pits?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApparently Mussolini was the leader of whatever group that made this thing."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>7\n>I don't see archeologist coming together over the Celopatra \"documentary\"\nThey don't want to lose their YT channels."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>15\nThis line of attack only works if the target is a known racial supremacist."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nThey're mad because they do the same thing, he just monetized it.\n>We believe that the ancients may have worshipped this rock\nJerk offs."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>43\nSounds like you're mad that someone figured out a way to make money off your useless degree. What can you tell me about the migration patterns of ancient Africans?\nWhy did you think anybody would care?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>20\nYea like he said. Ghetto.. they travel somke weed and get the jungle fever"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nNot him but obviously at least he cares, a niche interest might not be commercially profitable but that’s unlikely to diminish his individual passion for it."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>11\nThat fag is also a retard."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nI watched a bit of his stuff. As far as I understand, he is in school for archeology and makes debunk vids on alt/psudeo archeology. The way he speaks and the way he carries himself reminds me of a woman explaining things. Very \"hmm well actually\" mixed with a joke and a jump cut literally every 3 seconds made me physically ill."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nIf you comment on his videos that he is not a real archeologist he will get real mad and attack you with sock accounts. try it yourself"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">isolated from supplies and reinforcement\n>no source of drinkable water\n>defended by 50 old planes\n>no tanks\n>only 1 regular division, the rest are literally conscript malays\n>city filled with tens of thousands of civilians\n>no naval force means enemy can pick and choose where they land\nHow are you supposed to defend this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy attacking the enemy forces that you outnumber by more than 2:1 and have far less artillery support than you do, kicking their skinny asses and opening things up again."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>By attacking the enemy forces that you outnumber by more than 2:1 and have far less artillery support than you do\nTotal number of guns you have in your storage doesn't do shit. Japanese were mobile on land and by sea, the Brits were not. Japan also has air support and interdiction.\nSo, since your retarded solution doesn't work, how are you supposed to defend against an enemy that has these advantages?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Camouflage your position and prepare killing zones with your machine guns, they have to do a fucking river crossing lol."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPersonally I’d sneak out, negotiate and let the Japs in for safe passage out or, better yet, a sinecure in the provisional government with a harem of little brown girls, but that’s just me"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>get bombed and die"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nThe guns weren't in storage, they were issued and ready to go you dishonest little turd. And no, the Japanese mobility advantages don't suddenly mean guns don't fire or fire doesn't kill. The solution would have worked; same as it did in similar situation for operations like Crusader or Myitkyina."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAt Tobruk the Aussies had air support and naval supremacy. Plus a whole army that was ready to jump in and relieve them. Not the same thing at all."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a lost cause anyways but if I had to try I’d blow up all the infrastructure, strip the planes of their MGs and Cannons, conscript the civies to act as lookouts, and concentrate my defences in a line around the city and the three water reservoirs in front of it. Conscript more civvies to dig trenches, clear kill zones and build emplacements for the cannons and MGs stripped from the planes. Keep most of my forces slightly behind the defensive line and only send them forward to man them once the local conscripted scouts report enemy movement or my pickets are engaged to prevent them dying from pre-battle air attacks and bombardments. Keep the best of the Malay units and my regulars as a reserve to mount counterattacks or stabilize the line.\n\nI’d still loose but I might be able to hold out a bit longer than they did otherwise"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nAnd the Germans also had air support and in fact the British did not have Naval supremacy in November 1941 in the Med. And yes, Crusader was launched by that 'army ready to relieve them' not the city itself you moron. And I note you have completely ignored Myitkyin, probably because you've never heard of it.\n\nIt turns out that artillery and infantry can do quite a bit on their own, and do not need clear air or naval advantages to attack forces they outnumber heavily."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is slavery objectively immoral?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavery is based"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>can't bother to do his own hard work\ncringe"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavery used to be part of the penal system in some places, so very moral in a sense. Enslaving people for merely existing or enslaving whole populations in war (when they weren't even warriors) is pretty damned immoral."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItalian Somalia had the Italiane use the Bantus as farm slaves and it still used forced labour. The idea you can ban slavery and shift from it in an instant is extremely unrealistic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nchattel slavery =/= forced labour\nif you reduce slavery down to any form of forced labour you dilute the definition down to the point where slavery ceases to be something immoral because basically everything can be considered slavery."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe difference between 20th century forced labor and chattel slavery is just a matter of state-ownership vs. private-ownership. And slavery is not inherently immoral."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>The difference between 20th century forced labor and chattel slavery is just a matter of state-ownership vs. private-ownership.\nI have no objection to that, that is an intellectually honest position to take.\nI would also extend private-ownership to parts of the world where people are required to choose between starvation (death) and sweatshop work (force labor)\n>And slavery is not inherently immoral.\nAn intellectual honest stance to take."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>The difference between 20th century forced labor and chattel slavery is just a matter of state-ownership vs. private-ownership. And slavery is not inherently immoral.\nForced laborers had much more control over there lives than slaves who were micromanaged in every aspect of their lives to some extent depending on the area and period (chattel slavery in the US South and the Caribbean was an extreme example of that). Forced laborers are also not typically considered subhuman or worked to death in the way that slaves are. This varies by case though."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\nSlavery is a drain on the economy and overall a net negative on any nation practicing it, so yes it is immoral."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>a drain on the economy\n>so yes it is immoral.\nDo you form you morality around solely what is economically beneficial?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>lolbertarian dogma\nprove it ronald"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nYes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nSo you think liquidating the severely mental disabled is not only permissible, but if it helps the economy by removing a drain on resources, its an actively moral act?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>illiterate retard asking a question he already got the answer to"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItalian soldiers were literally buying 12yr old sex slaves from the locals, retard."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "stoicism is way different from buddhism"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo, but Stoicism hits on SOME of the same points by coincidence."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo, but Spergler thought they were related in so far both were products of terminal civilizational decline. One last act of self-extinction as the high culture unraveled."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI mean spengler sorry."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Just a Patsy"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not even sure he killed the cop either."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was a patsy, but he also did it"}, {"id": 4, "content": "jfK, mlK, rfK are alive in KKK old age\nhomes. All three (3) are oK oK oK."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nK, thanks."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Did the battle of the seelow heights really go.like that? It seems like a wehrbo fewer dream"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is this alien looking kike?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMark Felton"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nme"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe looks like that creature that attacks the school bus in the simpsons"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nMark Felted"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPan pararanpranpam pararanpam pum pum pum"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThis"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nBeyond based"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nSeelow Heights was a heroic last stand against the ZOG hordes."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n\"Was the Münster theocracy the inspirational source for the Nazi regime several centuries later? The answer may not be as straightforward as you think.\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Sunday reminder that Orthodoxy is true and you will find the real Jesus Christ only with them"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey do seem to have a better claim to be the original church than the Catholic Church does."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's Sun day! Jai Shri Surya"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis. I had to turn away from Catholicism bevause of what it's becoming and reading about its history but Protestantism doesn't make any sense. Luther's grounds for noncanonical books were they didn't support all of his solaes but he supposedly built his solaes from the bible under the principle of sola scriptura, that's clearly wrong (not sure paradox or hypocrisy is the right word). And the initial canon and core theology could only have been settled through ecumenical councils which require a unified church with a set orthodoxy. You can't just create a new church even if your interpretation supposedly makes sense from scripture alone. Most sects either seem to be Christologic or Paterologic and neglect Pneumatology except for the very theologically shallow sects like pentecostals. Orthodoxy seems to have a better balance and makes sense within their own canon."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nAfter I say 'This', I didn't mean to come off like what I said was what you were saying. I just meant I agree with your sentiment."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSo protestantism is a heresy but what about the catholic church? Then I found out about Orthodoxy and everything started coking together. What Icve learnt so far of Palamist energy-essence stuff has finally allowed me to start wrapping my head around the filioque and the trinitarian theology at large."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYes, I know orthdoxists reject the filioque. What I mean is the why and how you can reject it, I understand better.\nIt's surprising how so many calvinists will also praise church fathers like Blessed Augustine and Athanasius but not follow them deeper. Like a Calvinist will praise 'Confessions' but will likely shirk from 'The City of God' due to them actually covering Ecclesiology."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Dang I was really hoping to talk theology with a bro. Protestsnt, Catholic, Orthodox. I just want more primary works to add to my repetoire."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nThat’s a great post, wondering is there a specific reason you are not a Catholic? The Western tradition has produced many great saints and mystics."}, {"id": 10, "content": "All orthodox must convert. They must become part of the true, holy, apostolic, Catholic church or perish in eternity."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nCalvinism is a meme fringe sect, who cares."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe reason *I* am Orthodox is because I believe it’s LESS in the tradition to have this convert-or-perish mentality, and respects more the mystery of salvation."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nI started noticing the Pope is just a puppet figure for the NWO sacrificing principles with the moving overton window and justifying it with somehow the scripture evolving to coincidentally agree with Liberal Democratic talking points. I seen the vatican say climate change was the result of 'eco sins' and that we can't try to convert other religions anymore. Islam is a religion of peace, Jews aren't heretics for still waiting for a Messiah that already came. That all these things that have irreconcilable differences don't actually contradiction with the truth and the way guys, it's all PC up here in infallability! I heard them literally say the \"6 million\" was like a second crucifixion.\nI have grown to doubt things like Darwinism, world war narratives, the medical institution, psychoanalysis. At first I was an atheist in my teens as a rebel but then I saw that Satan is real when I started peering behind the curtain and realising it is a concentrated effort, theycre hiding in plain sight and they're shoving it in our faces. There are demonic forces behind the evil in this world, but that must mean there's spiritual hope and salvation too. But if the Papacy (the foundation of Roman Catholicism) is corrupt, then clearly the papacy isn't true becaus etheir doctrine is he cannot be corrupt. You can't just declare whichever pope you don't like an antipope like Sedevancatists do. That still goes against vatican 1 doctrine and some before that. I started looking into points of contestion in the schism and arguments against presuppositions of the filioque and thomism (that nature we can reveal hidden truths through science instead of it already having revealed truths hidden).\n>The Western tradition has produced many great saints and mystics.\nSure, there are good Buddhists and Muslims too, doesn't mean they don't follow false prophets! Is there also something in Leviticus or Zechariah about false prophets with true predictions?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWho else is there that isn't contradictory to their own doctrine and still resists the antichrist? Easyern Orthodoxy was my answer. I first reconciled by belief in Christ and now have reconciled my belief that the one true church still stands."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThen what's the point of joining the church? EO has a lot of scholasticism too, it isn't just faith alone you know."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMatthew 18:20\nFor where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nJoining a certain denomination out of the distaste for anothers aesthetic and not for the sole reason of faithfulness to the truth and way of Christ is bad. People became evangelicals because they hated Catholics too and look how that turned out. It can't just be reactionary."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nAlso the truth won't always match up with your ethos. There are things in Orthodoxy i have to learn to accept with my heart regardless of what my mind thinks is truer than Christ. Not everything true lines up with 'nice' Christianity."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThere being salvation means there will be those that are not saved. People you like could still remain damned. Nice people could still be damned."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhile Orthodoxy does have more mystery over Catholicism trying to debug everything, there are still cold hard truths and the Truth can divide families, cities, nations, etc."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\n>there are good Buddhists and Muslims too\nCatholics are Christians is what I’m saying. They follow a slightly different Christian tradition, as the Orientals do, but they are Christian. Anglicans are Christian. It’s important ultimately to soften on all these hard lines without sacrificing your Orthodoxy. For example, I used to think the Pope was a false prophet but then I realized the Papacy is not a person, it’s an office, and an office is by definition not a false prophet, because false prophets are people (e.g. John Calvin=an individual). I agree with the Papacy’s softened ecclesiological posture in recent years and see him as the dominant Christian leader that he is. The only reason I am Orthodox is because it is less modern and therefore more ancient liturgically. However, I don’t believe it’s Orthodox to rigidly exclude Catholics from the Church, any more than it is Catholic to attempt to dominate and control universal doctrine. Do not fall into the same trap."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>you will find the real Jesus Christ only with them\nThis is a sin against God to say that"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\n>Then what's the point of joining the church?\nEnjoying communion with God Himself. This “only judgment matters” mindset you bring is commonly brought over by American former evangelicals and it’s not welcome in the Church. It’s a crypto-western mindset."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll christians go to Hell for their idol worship and many other sins. There is no scenario where you go to Heaven."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nDoctrine of infallibility. You can't ignore that pile of bullshit.\n>>23\nTheological hedonism?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>>21\nIt's not an office, it's a Monarchy with a Monarch when the only real leader of the Church is God. The traditional church worked in a synodal matter, there was never a position of papacy to the bishop of rome. It was just a formal prestige due to Rome's status."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThe filioque wasnct brought up with an ecumenical council either. It was imposed on the supposed authority of the See of Rome overrulling others instead of a Council coming to a consensus."}, {"id": 28, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PGARSJeNU [Embed]"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nThe Pope is not a “king” in the church, he is a bishop. Everything else (absolute monarchy in the Vatican, position of global leadership among Christians) flows from that core reality."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nBishops held geopolitical power and positions of state, something they were forbidden to do by I believe in the Council of Chalcedon. The vatican itself is a self admitted state."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n*Popes not Bishops I meant"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nHe is a Monarch of the Church and for a long time in history a literal monarch of the state. If the See of Rome held papal authority wtf did emperors call for ecumenical councils when we could've just passed the mic to Rome every time since they hold Papal authority."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nEcumenical councils in essence refute the papacy."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\nMeant to crosspost to wsg\n>>>/wsg/5057442\n>>>/wsg/5057444"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>18\nAnon, it sounds like you are ignoring your heart and justifying it with your mind rather than letting your heart overrule your mind. It’s important to be true to your own conscience because the law is written on our hearts, and if something is bothering you in the Church, to challenge it out of love.\n\n>>19\n“People like you”?\n\n>>20\n>there are still cold hard truths\nThe truth is hard, but nothing about the truth is cold, because Christ does not deal with us according to our iniquities. Despite the potentially divisive nature of the Gospel, we are not commanded to actively create division or conflict."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>“People like you”?\nNo, people you like. There are people you like and appreciate who could still be damned.\n>Anon, it sounds like you are ignoring your heart and justifying it with your mind rather than letting your heart overrule your mind.\nI'm stating the literal opposite. Not everything lines up with what i think lines up in my head and I need to accept I don't have everything figured out and that there is a greater authority than our gnoses.\n>The truth is hard, but nothing about the truth is cold,\nI didn't mean it literally, I meant it as the saying for hard to accept truths. Cold as in cold turkey, laid bare and in full view."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\n>Popes held geopolitical power and positions of state, something they were forbidden to do by I believe in the Council of Chalcedon\nNo they weren’t. This is what the Council of Chalcedon had to say about the Popes:\n\nCanon 28:\n>Following in all things the decisions of the holy fathers, and acknowledging the canon, which has been just read, of the One Hundred and Fifty Bishops beloved of God (the Second Ecumenical Council held at Constantinople in 381 AD), we also do enact and decree the same things concerning the privileges of the great Church of Constantinople and of the See of the most holy Apostle Peter, which are to be preserved by the most devout bishops of the Eastern and Western Churches. For the See of Peter is the head of the ecclesiastical hierarchy, which has certain privileges according to the Canons of the Fathers. So that, just as it is determined that the bishops of any particular province should be ordained by their own synod, so also the bishops of every province should be confirmed by the Roman Pontiff. And it is clear that the Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, has the primacy over the whole world, and that the Bishop of Constantinople is his most important fellow-patriarch, who should be ranked second after the Roman Pontiff. Therefore, we decree that the most devout clergy of the Church of Constantinople, or of any other Church, shall not be permitted to ordain any bishop or clergyman without the knowledge and consent of the Roman Pontiff.\n\nCanon 29:\n>Concerning the right of appeal, if anyone has been deposed by the bishops of his province, let him not be confined to that province, but let him be permitted to appeal to the bishops of the next province, and if he should appeal from these to the Bishop of Rome, let it be allowed him to remain upon his own rights until a synod shall have investigated the matter afresh."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>18\n>The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?\nJeremiah 17:9"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\n>If the See of Rome held papal authority wtf did emperors call for ecumenical councils when we could've just passed the mic to Rome every time since they hold Papal authority\nFor congeniality and help and counsel"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nThere's like three other commonly quoted scripture verses saying that for the mind. You need both in harmony."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nOrthodoxy in general keeps to a high view of the “heart”"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\nChalcedon 27\n>Let not a bishop be allowed to interfere in secular affairs, nor be entangled in secular concerns. But let all his attention be given to those under his care, and to things spiritual, so that he may shepherd the people of God and give an account of them. Let him not be anxious about the things of this life, but about the things of the Lord, that he may please Him, to whom he has been called, and may receive from Him the reward of his high calling."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nDoesn't this conflict with the Pope holding temporal power?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nFollow up on Chalcedon 28. I read this article a couple days ago.\nhttps://ronconte.com/2021/07/21/the-errors-of-canon-28-at-the-council-of-chalcedon/"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nTouché. More ecumenical anti-Papacy quotes for good measure:\n\nCouncil of Constantinople II (553):\n\nCanon 3:\n>The Bishop of Constantinople, however, shall have the prerogative of honour after the Bishop of Rome, because Constantinople is New Rome.\n\nCouncil of Nicaea II (787):\n\nCanon 6:\n>We also recognize the primacy of the most holy pope of Rome, who is the first among the patriarchs and the father of all the churches, and we acknowledge his universal and supreme authority, following the canons of the holy fathers and the decrees of the four holy councils.\n\nCanon 8:\n>If any ecclesiastical dignitary, whether bishop, priest, or deacon, shall presume to act against the ordinances of the holy fathers or against the decisions of the four holy councils, or against any of the canons which have been promulgated with a view to securing uniformity of practice and of dogma, or shall introduce anything contrary to them, he shall be subjected to the canonical penalties which have been decreed by the holy fathers and by the four councils."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>>42\n>>43\nAlso weren'tbthe Symmachian forgeries a main tiebreaker for these conflicts in doctrine?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nYeah the dictatus papae relied a lot on those and they were admitted as forgeries in 1099"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nYes, it certainly does..."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>40\nIt's good habit to quote the Scripture that you mention."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>>49\nThe Bible uses the term \"heart\" metaphorically to refer to the innermost thoughts, emotions, and desires of a person (as in the scripture you gave), but there are also several verses that suggest that God dwells specifically in the hearts of believers. Here are some examples:\n\n>Ephesians 3:17 - “so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love.”\n>2 Corinthians 1:22 - “and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.”"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>25\n>Theological hedonism?\nJoy is not the same as carnal pleasure. Do you not find God enjoyable, is your faith not joyful?"}, {"id": 52, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we3mgc263yI [Embed]"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nThe main quote that comes to mind i believe is from patristics about faith not scripture so I secede to the guy who actually quotes scripture."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nHey, it’s not like I actually have them memorized, I just look them up."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nI tried looking mine up bit I couldn't find it."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWhat I'm getting at is faith is not a matter of the mind (gnosis) but of the heart (spirit). There's almost never going to be some denomination that aligns perfectly with all your individual worldly beliefs, even more so when they believe in an orthodox (lowercase) ruling on certain matters. The only way to find that perfect denomination is to go like later Protestants and just make up your own church but that isn't the real historical and traditional Church, that's your bible club."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nYou have to change from your preconceptions to make space for the holy spirit to fill you in accordance to the doctrine."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nYou don't know to have faith, you have faith to have faith. If we knew beyond a shred of a doubt it could no longer even be faith, it'd just be knowing."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nTherefore the mind is not the path to salvation. You can take heart to its totality and still have faith, you can't with the mind. I should've made clear the gnosis-reason distinction first on my part I admit that oversight."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am unironically thinking of BEGOMIG ORDODOX because a rare English-speaking Orthodox Church just opened in my town."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nSo in comclusion, Christ (God) is the truth and the way. He is the wisest and correct on everything as a perfect being. Therefore I am subordinate to God and his doctrine and must accommodate my mind for the truth and the way."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>16\nthe \"thye dont have Christ\" crowd will not touch this\nChrist is even with heretics and Christ loves even the pagans"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nIcd defineyly reccomemd checking it out and interacting with others there at the minimum. It doesn't hurt to look."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>50\nSome more important supporting quotes to balance the message that the “heart is wicked”:\n\n2 Corinthians 3:3 (ESV): \"And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.\"\n\nEzekiel 36:26 (ESV): \"And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.\"\n\nJeremiah 31:33 (ESV): \"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.\"\n\nRomans 2:15 (ESV): \"They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them.\""}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nBesides a small one loose associated with Russian Orthodoxy, the only other english Orthodox parish is the Greek one but it's very much within that ethnic enclave while being much more instituted with a proper Church building and programs."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nIt's intimidating and can't help feel like an outsider as a non-greek."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nThis is about God making your heart new, not about \"trusting your heart\" and ignoring rational theology when it comes to the Scripture."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>4\nSomehow the church existed before the canon"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nBefore a council \"settled\" the canon"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nFind an instance of the Bible telling us to trust “rational theology” alongside the law written upon hearts."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nSomehow the church existed before the first manuscripts were written, and then it existed while manuscripts were exceedingly scare and circulated among a (dare I say THE?) network of elders for public reading."}, {"id": 72, "content": "scarce"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nThat situation supports my case"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nLol how. What mental gymnastics are you doing? If there are virtually no Bibles in the early church then something else is sustaining it by and large."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>70\nYou should understand that the \"law being written on our hearts\" mean that our hearts should follow the law, and not themselves."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nThe heart should follow the law that’s written on it yes not rational theology."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nyou apparently do not understand basic protestant doctrine\nhit the books"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nMuh apostles personally ministered to the church before turning the task over to the Bible as soon as they became (widely! available—wow so complex, and wrong"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>unknown\nIf you understood your own stuff well enough, and if you were charitable enough, you would make yourself vulnerable to it being wrong by actually presenting it instead of hiding behind superior learning. My logic is sound to the naive mind. Rocket science can’t overturn what is plain to common sense."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nThe law is found in the Bible... That is why the law should be written on your heart..."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>9\n>wondering is there a specific reason you are not a Catholic?\nNot him, but the Catholic Church is looking really shaky right now outside of Asia where it is growing. I'm born into it, so I'll probably die in it unless there are a dozen Anti-Popes, but Catholicism is basically dying in the US under it's contradictions and open corruption going on here.\n\nIt's hit a point where I can't in good faith point my friends toward the church and recommend they look at Eastern Orthodoxy instead"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>79\nyou do not, that's what I'm saying\nsola scriptura does not require what you're implying. It is the view that only scripture is infallible."}, {"id": 83, "content": "Lmao. Anons, I live in eastern europe and I can surely say that our orthodox church is on the same level with catholic pedopriests. Just choose your church by the people in the congregation, not by the canons. Especially if they are almost indistinguishable."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nThe law is found in the person of Christ, in the Sermon on the Mount which is the new Torah, and in the teachings of Saint Paul, and these are to be written not in the stone tablets of man’s intellect but on tablets of human hearts as the Lord has said.\n\n>>82\nI understand that perfectly well and it’s still contradicted by the history of the church, not as a statement in and of itself but as a phromena."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nthis, i dont think why would someone be SPECIFICALLY EO if they do not have ethnic yearnings nor they are a Byzantophile. Outside of these contexts, EO stands out as too regional."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nIf you understand it then explain the contradiction"}, {"id": 87, "content": "The Corinthian church had her own rulers and Paul was not always there. Since they carried on without Paul's presence, does that mean those rulers had a higher authority than the apostle? Obviously not, that doesn't follow.\n\nIt is the same with scripture. Just because the early churches usually did not have completed codices does not mean clerical authority rises to the level of scripture or surpasses it"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nWe must believe and behave as the early church believed and behaved, and the early church didn’t have the scriptures to inform its conscience the way Luther did, it only had emissaries (sent from Christ and the various apostles) to inform its conscience. Faith wasn’t mediated by the the scriptures. Eventually, those who were sent to teach of Christ came with manuscripts and would read from them in church. But the idea that leadership and scripture would be opposed or set against each other wouldn’t have occurred because the men would have been holy men coming in the authority of the apostles themselves."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>Since they carried on without Paul's presence, does that mean those rulers had a higher authority than the apostle?\nEqual authority. Placeholder status."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nYou're the one setting up a false dichotomy\nFaith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God\nWe need the church and scripture\n\n>>89\nNeat opinion but I hope I've made my point that your description of the early church does not present a problem for sola scriptura"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nFundamentally, we just need the church, because the church is more central to God than scripture, being the very collection of men whom God has chosen from the world to be his priests (I am including laity in that). While the Bible is the word of God, and therefore immediatelt proximal to God in that sense, if God has no priests proclaiming His true semantic meaning and His true victory (again, I am including laity in that, because the priesthood of all believers is biblical, and so is the laity of all priests, meaning they’re both both), the words in the Bible WILL be used unto destruction.\n\n2 Peter 3:16 (ESV): \"As he (Paul) does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.\"\n\nAnd if the church even lost the scriptures (God forbid), which is impossible, we have evidence that it would survive and preserve the truth without them, because it already did so once."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>if God has no priests proclaiming His true semantic meaning and His true victory, the words in the Bible WILL be used unto destruction\nSo if priests got the Bible all kinds of wrong, that would be a huge problem, yea?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>84\n>The law is found in the person of Christ, in the Sermon on the Mount which is the new Torah, and in the teachings of Saint Paul, and these are to be written not in the stone tablets of man’s intellect but on tablets of human hearts as the Lord has said.\nJust as long as you're allowing the law to be written on your heart, as opposed to using your heart to dictate how you read the law."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nIf you mistakenly thought you were doing the former, but actually was doing the latter.. How would you go about figuring that out?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>68\nCool, your sola scriptura still relies on the foundation of a canon which can't be done without normative ecclesiastical authority. What's your argument?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nThe counter-argument to that is that the council(s) superficially rubber stamped what was already organically in use in the body."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>So if priests got the Bible all kinds of wrong, that would be a huge problem, yea?\nWe know that people will get the Bible wrong, the words in the Bible WILL be used unto destruction, the question is by who, by which group of people. Why would priests and/or placeholders of the apostles be worse off than non-priests or the general masses? Obviously the scriptures are safer in the hands of priests of God who do the divine service. Therefore it is safer to read the scriptures inside the church compared to outside, potentially much safer."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\nBy reading the Word and continually praying for guidance from God. And going to figures that do the same for advice."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nYou can't use uncanonised scripture to create a scriptural canon. You need a church authority and that existed as orthodoxy through synods and councils, not protestant sola scriptura whete anyone can interpret scripture however they deem fit.\n> what was already organically in use in the body.\nWtf does that mean?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\nOne potential answer to this question is to submit to the rulers of the Corinthian church whom Paul left behind in his absence and make sure you are in their good standing/ in communion with them. Another potential answer is to read the Bible and come to your own conclusions. Which do you think is safer?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\n>And going to figures that do the same for advice.\nFocus on that part and you will be eventually lead by God to the apostolic faith."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>97\nI see a lot of prots act like Caths and Orthos don't want you reading the Bible yourself. We just don't want people interpreting it themselves without guidance from the church. If everyone had priestly powers all that leads tonis what protestaht christianity has where every sect atomises into smaller sects for ever difference in interpretation."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>98\nSo if you do all that - and think you are reading off your heart\nbut actually you are still dictating with your heart (even if you don't know it)\nHow could you possibly know?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\n>If everyone had priestly powers all that leads tonis what protestaht christianity has where every sect atomises into smaller sects for ever difference in interpretation\nOrthodoxy affirms the priesthood of every believer nevertheless, but it’s a priest-approved priesthood, if that makes sense."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nUltimately you need trustworthy vicars of Christ, which is what we see Christ establishing in scripture."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nYou'll know when your life is changed entirely; that is the Spirit changing you. Pray for that to happen and everything else will follow."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>96\n>The counter-argument to that is that the council(s) superficially rubber stamped what was already organically in use in the body.\nBut recorded history says that's not how it happened. There were differences in ideas of what was canon. The NT wasn't even written down for the first century of Christianity. The scriptures didn't just magically organise and print themselves. The Holy Spirit's will allowed the patristic councils to figure it out but it still required there being councils and patriarchs to counsel on these matters and be guided by the Holy Spirit. Sola scriptura relies on the idea scripture was always easily accessible to obtain and read. Most people never had it in their vernacular for centuries despite the intention of that eventually being so (hence the decision to write them in koine and not Aramaic, to better evangelise the Gospels)"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>97\nMaybe some people got the part about the church (men) being more central to God, than the word of God (scripture) wrong , maybe people got that wrong\n\nI guess you just need to presuppose that the church is more central to god than scripture. Did you come to believe that through the church?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>104\nYeah it does but I belueve that's a different conceptnof priesthood to the protestant version I was referring too so it's apples to oranges, hence why orthodoxy doesn't have it the same."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\nDoesn't seem like there's a mechanic to this method, that could ever tell you if you were wrong"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>107\nUntil the printing press it was an absolute necessity to rely on the priestly class and their specialisation in these matters to gain access to scripture and the word."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>107\nThere reason there are 4 gospels, not 3 or 5. Is that some guy thought it was a neat number, like the 4 compass directions."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>108\n>Did you come to believe that through the church?\nOf course, did you happen to come to believe yours by private reading?"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>108\n>I guess you just need to presuppose that the church is more central to god than scripture. Did you come to believe that through the church?\nWithout a church there is no scripture, without scripture there's no substance to the church. Why can't they be both equal and necessary? Why does one have to be more than the other?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nGlorious tradition of the Bible"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>108\n>Did you come to believe that through the church?\nLiterally yes.\n>>112\nGo back"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\n>Go back\nIt’s true, 4 means completion, like the four winds. I was recently taught this."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nThat's not the only reason other gospels were rejected or added."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nI guess it also could be explained in terms of God having a specific desire to cause what we are trying to explain. (4 Gospels, rather than 3.)"}, {"id": 120, "content": "to any orthobros, please help. I'm looking into eastern orthodoxy more and more. anyone know what are the best book recommendations to help me understand orthodoxy?"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nTry reading the Bible"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>120\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD7isWTcDgU [Embed]"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akkQtzb_XzE [Embed]"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>unknown\nSome more general Christianity"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>unknown\nThis and the next are more fir the better Grounded in Orthodoxy. Seraphim Rose and Guenon can trip you up if you can't navigate well outside their introductory works."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdolatry is still a sin."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nI also reccomend having some of the simpler bible books like proverbs and psalms in audio form for that recurring dise of wisdom. Solomon/Wisdom and Sirach to extent both contain very practical knowledge."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>11\nNo it isn't."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nYou guys never understand no matter how many times we explain it. You're as simpleminded as the muslims."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>11\nIt's definetly not fringe. Calvinism is a big part of at least a third of the denominations. It's not just Presbyterians who are Calvinist."}, {"id": 131, "content": "You always have been and always will be wrong about the filioque. If we consider that the Father is Being itself, the Son is Order, and the Spirit is Life then you can see how an ordering principle takes precedence before a life-giving one can work its magic within the cosmos, just as speaking of order is meaningless without its derivation from being; even though they're all really the same thing."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>129\nI think I got the gist of it, to use the word 'veneration' instead of 'worship'"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nVeneration and worship are different things. Look up the words. You can venerate a living relatibe and your're not worshipping them, itcs the same thing only the people we venerate are in heaven."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>134\n>muh empiricism wankery\nThere's also objective proof of the same standards as that study for stuff like Reincarnation"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\nThis doesn't suppose character of the afterlife or further theological cosmology so it doesn't outdate any religion. Christiand already believe in the afterlife and that we are spiritual beings having a human experience and that our mortal gorm is simply a vessel. You're not arguing anything except against atheists. The whys, hows and whos are where religion cones in."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>133\nbrb, gonna venerate my golden calf"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\nCool I'll venerate my wise grandfather. Only one of us is committing idolatry."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>134\nHallucinations. Next."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\nvenerate\nvĕn′ə-rāt″\ntransitive verb\nTo regard with deep respect or reverence. synonym: revere.\n\nreverence\nrĕv′ər-əns\nnoun\nA feeling of profound awe and respect and often love. synonym: honor.\nAn act showing respect, especially a bow or curtsy.\nUsed as a form of address for certain members of the Christian clergy.\n\nYou can love and respect people other than God and you better be doing that.\nRevering some golden calf or picture frame is idolatry, revering a person depicted through icon, symbol or image veneration. You revere Chist the same way regardless if the cross has him depicted on it or or not because the cross represents Christ's ultimate sacrifice and redemption, it is revering Christ."}, {"id": 141, "content": "You can't worship without reverence but you can revere without worship."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>138\n>>140\nYou don't get it, I'm not asking the calf for certain material favour. I'm asking the calf to ask God on my behalf. This is to increase the efficacy of my prayers."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>142\nSo you clearly don't understand what praying for others is. You asking someone on earth to pray for you is the same as asking someone in heaven."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nTje icons are the same thing as other religious imagery. It's like saying rosary beads or a psalter or hymnal are a golden calf."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nPriestly attire aren't golden calves neither are church buildings and reminder they literally treated a calf as their God while we only ever treat Saints as resoected Christians."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>143\n>>144\n>>145\nNot really clear on what the problem with my calf is, I'm not praying to it, I'm not worshipping it, I'm just asking it to ask God for material favours in this life"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would get excommunicated from their church for my views on race and ethnicity fuck the orthodog church"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\nIf that's what you think prayer is then you're in trouble."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\nMeant to say veneration but prayer fits too."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>146\nAnd people aren't golden statues"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nright, and neither is orthodox icons\nthey are painted squares with stylized art of some guy I never met on them\n\n>>148\nLook, if I was jobless and in financial trouble\nasking a saint/Mary to ask God to fix that trouble, it would not be weird at all"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>120\nThe Orthodox Way by Bishop Kallistos Ware"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\nOrthodoxy doesn't allow statues in liturgy to prevent idolatry. Icons are like a visualisation of scripture which us the same as putting the words of scripture up on a poster or a window to communion with fellow saints. It's clearly not worship of people other than God.\n>Look, if I was jobless and in financial trouble\n>asking a saint/Mary to ask God to fix that trouble, it would not be weird at all\nWhy do you keep strawmanning me, we ask them to pray for us, not give us material items. Do you think that's what prayer is? At first I thought you're protestant but now I'm suspecting you're a fedora tipper just using whichever low level rhetoric depending on the denomination of theist. You don't actually give a crap about idolatry, you just want to argue."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nYou think there's a serious risk the orthodox would start worshipping their 2D prints of St. Chrysostom if they were allowed to make 3D figurines of him?"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nThis has made me realize that if the Orthodox started drawing icons as anime waifus their conversion rate would skyrocket"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>140\nThank you for a good explanation."}, {"id": 157, "content": "Feeling hunted by Christ, lads. Haven't been to Church in a while, I need to go back and confess. I've been praying more and more the past few weeks, I can avoid the physical church but not the invisible one. Orthodoxy is the truth and I cannot escape it. Glory to God, I will repent yet."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nSometimes it'll feel like work and you won't 'feel' as energized by the spirit, but you are. Liturgy is important, you can't neglect the sacraments."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>only with them\n\nI mean orthodox christianty is pretty good but not necessarily only with them\n\nYou find Jesus Christ if you love like God loves you and use humility and prayer to illuminate your path"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nThe Orthodox view of heaven and hell is different to the typical. Everyone goes to the afterlife and faces the prescence of the Lord, what differs between people is how they experience it due to how they followed or rejected God in theur life on earth. We can't say definitively who's always damned, but we have a pretty good idea of how to be saved. Since we don't have limbo and we don't believe every human is born tainted with original sin, stuff like unbaptised likely are in the clear because infants are pure innocence and I don't see how they can possibly reject God."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\n*unbaptised babies\nAnd to deny that some pagans who never came to know the Gospels can't be saved denies His grace."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\n*deny they can be saved denies His grace"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>138\nWill you be sacrificing animals to him?"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>unknown\nI hate this"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nDifferent argument."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What makes people join cults?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Good News International Ministries"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlmfao, christcucks everyone"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All hail the original fat bastard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">longform lectures\n>goes in depth on whatever topic he's lecturing\n>doesn't subscribe to the pussy approach of \"well, according to this historian, here's what happened\", instead just says what happened\n>criticizes the British decision to enter both world wars, despite being English\n>catholic\n>monarchist"}, {"id": 2, "content": "thanks for telling me how retarded this guy is so I know to avoid his videos"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat's the problem?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">anglo\n>larps as a catholic\nlmfao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">read history book\n>nigs get BTFO\n>cry laugh\n>rinse/repeat"}, {"id": 2, "content": "muh niggers"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAbraham Lincoln be like"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Twelvers\n>No imam\n>do nothing and just chill for centuries\n>be an insular ethno-religion and deliberately dont expand\n>win, stumble into an empire, and become the face of shi'ism\n\nIsmailis\n>has present imams\n>have massive empire\n>start a centuries long insurgency\n>massive proselytism all over the world from North Africa, Central Asia, and India\n>lose and become irrelevent\n\nHuh?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTwelvers\n>No kara boga\n>do nothing and just ignore kara bogas for centuries\n>be an insular ethno-karaboga and deliberately dont expand\n>win, stumble into a kara boga, and become the face of karabogaism\n\nIsamails\n>has present kara bogas\n>has a massvie kara boga\n>start a centuries long kara boga\n>massive protestelysim all over the world from Kara to Boga\n>lose and become kara bogas\n\nHuh?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Blame the Mongols."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIsmailis already declined at that point while the population of twelvers were climbing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt really is interesting that Ismaili proselytism was all undone so quickly, makes me think the whole approach is flawed. But then again it could be that they just got gypped by the Mongols and nothing more, especially their presence in the Indian subcontinent."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThey would have had a much more significant presence in India were it not for the Mughals and I will have to ask where you're getting the idea that their population in Iran and elsewhere was on the decline prior to the Mongolian invasions."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThe Ismailis were isolated in fortresses and the area around anjudan with small communties in a large global area. Meanwhile the twelvers were concentrated in lebanon, Iraq and Iran. I guess the twelvers could absorb hits while it was easy to wipe out ismailis in an area.\n>>7\nMughals had nothing to do with it. Ismailis had a kingdom around multan which was clnquered by mahmud of ghazni"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Mughals had nothing to do with it. Ismailis had a kingdom around multan which was clnquered by mahmud of ghazni\nSunnization policies? From the Ghaznavids to Delhi Sultanate most Muslim states in India where just raiding ranges where Muslim armies were active.\n>The Ismailis were isolated in fortresses and the area around anjudan with small communties in a large global area. Meanwhile the twelvers were concentrated in lebanon, Iraq and Iran. I guess the twelvers could absorb hits while it was easy to wipe out ismailis in an area.\nI know this was true of the Fatimids but what were they actually doing wrong in terms of spreading their religion here? It's very easy to understand why the more militant and ghulat sects died out (other than them just being heretics), they revolted themselves out of existence whereas the Twelvers and Ismailis carefully spread their religion largely in secret."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>their population in Iran and elsewhere was on the decline prior to the Mongolian invasions.\nThe later assassin imams did controversial things like ending old rules and laws and one guy even became a sunni. This turned a lot of people off from ismailism. Meanwhile we know from sources like travel literaute that there more twelvers and more twelver majority cities. IIRC around this time the caspian kingdoms in northern iran were all twelver shia. Half of them used to be zaydi but that sect vanished in Iran around this time.\n>>9\n>Sunnization policies? From the Ghaznavids to Delhi Sultanate most Muslim states in India where just raiding ranges where Muslim armies were active.\nSort of. It was more of a fatimid vs Abbasid proxy war. The Ismailis emirate in multan was loyal to the fatimids while Mahmud supported the abbasids. In this time period the fatimids many small kingdoms as vassals\n>I know this was true of the Fatimids but what were they actually doing wrong in terms of spreading their religion here\nIts just that they were so many twelvers that the seljuks and future dynasties just supressed them since getting rid of them would be difficult. Also as I mentioned the twelvers had the caspian as their safe haven. The Ismaili strategy was far more spread out.\n>It's very easy to understand why the more militant and ghulat sects died out (other than them just being heretics), they revolted themselves out of existence whereas the Twelvers and Ismailis carefully spread their religion largely in secret.\nNot really the ghulat sects were huge in the two centuries before the safavids and only faded when they were assimilated into twrlver shi'ism. The twelvers actually didn't spread secretely. They had their majority and minority areas as they were concentrated. The main difference is political quietism I guess. Personally I find the founders of the twelver sect (4 envoys and buyid scholars) more impressive than their ismaili counterparts."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nOne thing I wanted to add is that many other non twelver grouos began to adopt the twelver imams into their own sects which aided the growth of the twelvers"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nSevere mental illness."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLwt me put it to you this way\n>Be twelver\n>Inoffensive so the sunni aren't slaughtering you like dogs every twelve seconds\n>Don't actually rely on a physical mama but rather one on occultation who is in some mountain chilling until the next notice which doesn't tie your religion into someone Sunnis can kill.\n>Lay low as pseudo-Dhimmi.\n>Get a lucky break, convert a powerful king\n>King spreads your religion through his empire.\n\nMeanwhile ismailis\n>Only 2 tiers less cancerous the kharajites so Sunnis are perpetually on alert to behead you on sight\n>Bad management makes caliphate go -ACK and get dismembered until it gets coup de grace'd by saladin"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShia islam is fascinating because it has to be one of the few examples of .assive secret societies"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Inoffensive\nI dont know I read sunni literature. The twlevers were hated as well. The vitrol comes off the page whenever rafezi/rafida are mentioned. This includes people like ibn hazm who as an andalucian was far away from any shia"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nTwelvers were in danger of being snuffed out after the death of their 11th imam. Their own books describe the imamis splitting into dozens of sects one of which was the twelvers. I havent really come across a book or article deacribing the development of the twelver sect in the pre safavid period. I mean there are books on twelver doctrine, hadith, etc. But thats not as relevant as the more political and narrative history of the sect"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nMost monastic orders could be largely described in this manner imo, at least the ones that eschew political involvement"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Most monastic orders\nThey're different since they're usually just apart of the larger structure of the church with the Pope affirming them. The Cathars, Bogomils, and Paulicians would be a better Christian example"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWhen I say monastic orders I wasn't referring to Christians in particular, but most Christian monastic orders, while being a part of the Church hierarchy, have a degree of independence especially in the time before the quick transmission of information. I wouldn't really consider your average Dominican monk a political agent of the pope, so \"passive secret society\" works here. After all, it's not like your average layman would have a lot of insight as to what most of them were getting up to. This varies by case though. I'd say it definitely applies to the more closed off Buddhist and other Dharmic monastic traditions."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThey weren't really secret though they apart of the machinary of the medieval church. Anyone could go to a monastery Priests could become monks and monks could leave. Now if you're referring to the Jesuits I 100% am on the same page. Those fuckers were something else"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nAndalus was pretty close to the Fatimi heartland in north Africa bro"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThey didnt really interact. Fatimids didnt have much controk in morocco and western Algeria"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "As someone living in the southern united states, how would I go about obtaining historical European and near eastern artefacts, specifically medieval and classical? I want to collect things of religious significance. Pagan, Christian, probably not muslim but I will if it's interesting. Just little knicknacks and the such. My friend owns an ancient syrian cross necklace. I'd like such things. Online sources? Where? I don't get anywhere googling \"buy ancient artefacts\". I found the one in picrel, but it's $500."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can buy a lot of jewelry. Not very good metals though. The cheaper and easily acquired ones are usually bronze (or lead). Fancier stuff is going to be in some museum."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nbtw, here's one spot online.\n\nhttp://www.ancientresource.com/"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThanks. What would you reccomend as a first piece to get started right?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nA reliquary cross would be neat. Not that they have any relics obviously, but maybe you'll encounter some on your own. Who knows."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEbay"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunfortunately vcoins recently banned antiquities, but you can try silbury and ma-shops"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nebay and etsy are awash with shitty bulgarian fakes"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I've been going down the catholic rabbit hole and Vatican 2 seems pretty heckin suss fr no cap.\nDo any more learned catholic anons have any thoughts on this?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDOAxZDtgRA [Embed] [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD-KWJtGHU0 [Embed] [Embed]\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxCn5P2F-4&pp=ygUVZmF0aGVyIGNoYWQgcmlwcGVyZ2Vy [Embed] [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Wait til you hear about Vatican 1"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Yiddish is a mix of German and Hebrew to my knowledge, but are there any similar things with other languages? Is there a Russo-Jewisu pidgin, for example? How about a polish one? And I’m also curious about the non-European Jews like in the Arab world or Persia. Try to keep your answers on topic to the post instead of just “I hate kikes” or “the holocaust never happened”."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yiddish is mispronounced German. Hebrew is badly mispronounced Aramaic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe main partly Jewish languages are Yiddish (a mixture of Hebrew, Germanic languages, Slavic/Baltic languages depending on the dialect), Ladino (Spanish + Hebrew, basically the main Sephardic language), some Judeo-Arabic dialects (self-explanatory) and Bukhori (basically Judeo-Persian).\n\n>>2\n>Hebrew is mispronounced Aramic\n>Hebrew is at least 300 years older than Aramic\n\nWhy do you have to embarrass yourself?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI’m currently learning Hebrew to expose what Jewish rats and Zionists are saying about us gentiles"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Yesss GOYIMS, believe the pilpul! Us Jews always Did It First(tm) and the stupid GoYIMS never invent anything of their own they just copy us!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHebrew is a medieval reconstruction of Aramaic emerging around 800 AD. After the Maccabean revolt the region explicitly spoke imperial Aramaic."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nModern Hebrew is a Frankenstein language that was recreated around 1950 you retarded kike"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBasically this."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nNigger who said shit about modern Hebrew? Are you not mentally capable of understanding that the word may as well refer to Biblical Hebrew? Paleo-Hebrew even?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI'm curious as to how you will try to schizo away the existence of the Mishnah."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Why is the Jewish poster who constantly screams \"racism\" the most racist person on this board?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou already know that the earliest extant text dates to the 11th century."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nAre you referring to me, the OP? Sorry if I want people to actually answer the question in my post instead of talking about unrelated shit."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou could afford to be a whole lot less belligerent with people who say truthful, factual things that you happen to dislike."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThat isn't true. But you're dumb enough to think Hebrew was created in the medieval era, so it's not surprising your delusions would be extensive."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nIt’s not a matter of me liking or disliking those statements, or if they’re true or false, but if them being irrelevant to my post. It would be like if I asked a question about the civil war, and people started talking about the Vietnam war."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nI'm also well aware that we don't date texts by looking at the oldest extant complete manuscript, which is why I don't believe absurdities like thinking that the Septuagint dates to the 4th century AD or that Livy wrote in the 15th cenutry.\n\nNot to mention that the Paris Manuscripts are pretty large and agree with medieval texts in what they cover, and those are from around 320 AD or so. So again, you're going to have to explain where those came from."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nIt was a reconstruction in the medieval period and reconstructed again last century. Really it's just flawed Imperial Aramaic. Of a jewish person spoke between 200 BC to 200 AD everyone would have called it,and did call it, Aramaic."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWhen your premise about the civil war is flawed it has to be corrected before we talk about anything else.\n\n>>17\nThere's no contextual evidence of the Mishnah being ancient. >>17\n>Paris Manuscripts are pretty large and agree with medieval texts in what they cover, and those are from around 320 AD\nSource please? Catch me up. I find jewish history to be largely contrived and boring."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's quite an interesting subject to look into\nIt's like looking for easter eggs inside a novel"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Russo-Jewisu pidgin, for example?\n>How about a polish one?\nJews there were expels from Germany, remaining communities still speak Yiddish\n>And I’m also curious about the non-European Jews like in the Arab world or Persia.\nLook up Judeo-Aramaic"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>There's no contextual evidence of the Mishnah being ancient\nSure there is. A plethora of agricultural disputes for starters, which wouldn't fit with the diasporic communities not practicing agriculture because they didn't own farmland. Then of course there's all the people quoting the Mishnah in various contexts, which I'm sure you'll pretend are all also renaissance or later because you need to ram your conclusion past the evidence.\n\n>Source.\nhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/23343586\n\n>I find jewish history to be largely contrived and boring.\nProbably because you form your conclusions first and then look at the evidence."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've also tried to look into the germanic languages templates, but aside yiddish (which is not names as judeo-german, but only yiddish) there doesn't seem to be an easy recognizeable marker like for the \"judeo\" in the romance languages\nSo it may be harder to find out the other jewish mixed language inside the germanic language family"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is the germanic language family"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>A plethora of agricultural disputes for starters, which wouldn't fit with the diasporic communities not practicing agriculture because they didn't own farmland.\nIs this referenced in the Mishnah itself? If so it means that the text is even more likely a fabrication.\n\n>Then of course there's all the people quoting the Mishnah in various contexts\nIt could be reverse trawling, where quotations are collected and inserted into the Mishnah to provide relationships among authors.\n\n>Probably because you form your conclusions first and then look at the evidence.\nThe conclusion seems ipso facto when compared to other gaps and contradictions on parallel jewish authorship. My real problem is that I'm missing good evidence to posit the claims in favor of the Mishnah and related documents."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's pidgins and creoles essentially wherever they settled.\nThe one of the oldest diaspora community of Jews, the Romaniotes in Greece and Constaninopolitan Karaites, spoke Yevanic, otherwise known as Judeao-Greek, with its origin tracing back to the Jewish Koine Greek.\nAnother group far away were the Cochin Jews in Kerala in India, who spoke Judeo-Malayalam.\n> Is there a Russo-Jewisu pidgin, for example? How about a polish one?\nThe only Slavic influenced one I'm aware of was Knaanic, being essentially Judeo-West Slavic, primarily Czech influenced. It was spoken by Jewish communities living east of the Elbe River, with Knaan being a Jewish term for the region. Just as Slavic speakers were either assimilated or pushed eastward by Germanic expansion over the Elbe, so too were the local Jews by the accompanying Yiddish speakers.\nMost Jews in Slavic areas spoke Yiddish, as they originated from Germany, and continued speaking their language, much in the same way as German settlers did when encouraged to move east.\nYou might be interested in this\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_diaspora_languages"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInterestingly enough Jews never made ANY Slavic language their own. It's almost hilarious, they've spent more time in Slavic-majority areas than anywhere else yet in the words of Isaac Singer those Slavic languages remained as foreign to them as f.e. Turkish. This goes to show how low Jews thought of Slavs and how all the pogroms (which is a Slavic word) were retroactively justified. Jews hate Western Europeans too but at least there they tried to assimilate and learn their languages (Yiddish, Ladino, Judeo-Italian) but their hatred of Slavs was on another level, I think they could put to shame even Hitler in their anti-Slavism"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Vox Piscis, or The Book-Fish, contayning three treatises which were found in the belly of a cod-fish in Cambridge market, on Midsummer Eve last is a book published in 1627 with a very unusual origin.\n\nThe original text of the work was found in the belly of a fish. On June 23, 1626, scholar and theologian Dr. Joseph Mede (or Mead) of Christ's College, Cambridge, was walking through Cambridge's market, when a fishwife found a small thin book (size sextodecimo) wrapped in sailcloth inside the stomach of a codfish caught at King's Lynn.\n\nThese texts were attributed to Protestant reformer John Frith, who was imprisoned in a fish-cellar in Oxford and later burned at the stake. The texts were published as a book the next year with a preface written by Thomas Goad. The texts have also been attributed to Richard Tracy of Stanbury Manor, Gloucestershire.\n\nIt is not known how the original book came to be inside the fish."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Scholar and theologian just HAPPENS to find a religious text written by a Protestant reformer he no doubt studied extensively\nSure, bud"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I've come to the belief the mark of a declining culture is directly corelated with its acceptance of homosexuality.\n\nAs an example I will track it over the course of Greco-Roman civilization using specific examples from key time frames.\n\n>800 bc\nCrafted at the very formation of Hellenic identity, the Iliad or Odyssey includes not a mention of any homosexual behavior. No evidence in art or culture can be found of homosexual thought at this time. In the following centuries Greek culture would be established, along with Greek colonies across the Mediteranean created, with its identity hugely based off the model of Achilles as the ideal man.\n\n>400s bc\nAlthough still unaccepted in large part you can see the beginnings of its acceptance by the time of Plato in the Symposium where he brings of an interpretation of Achilles and Patrocolus as being lovers (though not necessarily in a sexual sense). Admittedly he is not representative of his time and himself would in his other works would condemn homosexuality and even in the Symposium condemns acting on on sexual impulses between a teacher and student, yet he does show that at least some level of homosexuality has begun to take root even if its limited to the effete elites. At this exact time frame the Greek city states, especially Athens & Sparta, would reach their zenith in power but within the following centuries the Greeks would proliferate their culture and prosper but fall under the dominance of the Macedonians and then Romans."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>2/3\n\n>100s ad\nBy this point homosexuality is pretty much fully accepted. Roman Emperors are openly homosexual, Hadrian was seen as being a bit odd and idiosyncratic by the roman elites so it wasn't exactly seen as normal, but they didn't really mind that much that he seemed to like boys more then girls and would even deify one of his lovers. This is the peak of Greco-Roman civilization as a whole, following this century it would all go into steep decline and become dominated by the Germans who were not at all accepting of homosexuality, and would as well lose their native religion to be dominated by a more prudish semitic one."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>3/3\n>390 ad\nMy example here will probably be the most obscure but I think it greatly illustrates my point. The Massacre of Thessalonica. By this point the Roman Army was dominated by Germanic barbarians, while the Romans citizens were obsessed with their version of sportsball chariot racing. In the city of Thessalonica right before a race the best chariot racer, the Michael Jordan of chariot racing, was imprisoned by the German soldiers the Emperor had left in charge of the city. He was imprisoned for homosexual rape. The Germans were disgusted by this while the Roman citizens didn't think it was an issue at all and were massively ticked off that his foreign prudish people imprisoned their chariot racer over something like that, so they had a massive chimp out and killed a fair amount of the German soldiers including their leader who was a longtime loyal comrade of the Emperor. The Emperor was so enraged by this that at the next chariot race in Thessalonica he had the doors locked when everyone had filled up the hippodrome and had his German soldiers kill everyone inside, man, woman, and children all. In 20 years Rome would be sacked by the Germans for the first time in 800 years and in 60 years the western roman empire would be conquered entirely by those Germans that like the Greeks 1500 years prior had no acceptance of homosexuality. Those Germans that conquered Rome were at the beginning of a civilization that we are at 1500 years the other side of."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Roman Empire got more Christcuck’d as time went on. In the heyday of Rome’s rise to domination it was considered based to assert your dominance over another man by fucking his holes.\n\nRomans in the late 4th century didn’t sign up for the army because nobody whose life was going well wanted to play usurper Russian roulette and risk dying a traitor’s death just because their general got megalomania and fancied himself a God, or their officer corps decided they wanted more gibs and forced their general to usurp at sword point"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>In the heyday of Rome’s rise to domination it was considered based to assert your dominance over another man by fucking his holes.\nKYS dovahhatty tranny. This isn't at all based in history just your furry porn."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSame sex male sex was a normal practice in the Classical Antiquity."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNot at all. My entire post was about how it started off not being accepted at all can you even read retard?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "I suspect homosexuality acceptance was indeed part of the fall of civilizations...but if this is another fucking religion thread...I will sage your thread back to the stone ages.\n\nwe atheists can be against mental illness too."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>400s bc\n>Although still unaccepted in large part you can see the beginnings of its acceptance\nYou're mistaken, Plato and Aristotle are criticizing the homosexual tradition which had its appearance during the Archaic period, visible in the poems of Theognis and Anacreon and the laws of Solon, and which remained very vigorous in the classical period, with the poems of Pindar, and the plays of Aeschylus and Sophocles publicly representing male loves, and homosexual amours attributed to the king of gods\nIn fact I don't see any correlation between the social acceptance of homosexual behaviour and the decline of civilization, Augustan Rome, Han China, Classical Greece all show a high degree of civilization and a normalization of homosexual activity"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNo worries not a religion thread. Not even really saying homosexuality is the direct cause for the decline, just that it can be used as a thermometer for it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>You're mistaken, Plato and Aristotle are criticizing the homosexual tradition which had its appearance during the Archaic period, visible in the poems of Theognis and Anacreon and the laws of Solon, and which remained very vigorous in the classical period, with the poems of Pindar, and the plays of Aeschylus and Sophocles publicly representing male loves, and homosexual amours attributed to the king of gods\nThis is all your gay fan fic bro"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nThere seems to have been a repression of homosexuality during the transition from the civilizations of antiquity to feudalism. Spanish conquistadors also executed people engaged in same-sex activities in the New World (feeding them to dogs in this illustration). European feudalism was emerged out of a synthesis of Christianity and Germanic nomadic tribalism with the Catholic Church becoming the new universal empire and kings/dukes/counts/etc. evolving from the tribal structure. They collided and intermingled as Rome collapsed.\n\nSo the Mesoamerican empires were still in the stage of antiquity when the conquistadors arrived.\n\nAs for why this is, I suspect it has to do with agricultural productivity. In an agricultural society after the massive increase of population, it inevitably leads to the anti-gay phenomenon as agriculture was more important than ever and the cost of the conflict between the agricultural and nomadic peoples, as well as the internal conflicts, became extraordinarily high. Thus, there was no room for gays to exist, unlike the classical period, until the industrial revolution.\n\nAgain this depended on productivity because for example Germanic tribes had low productivity so they preferred to kill all their prisoners as a way to worship their gods but the Roman preferred to enslave their prisoners to make money. It's same that homosexuality, incest and even sodomy, and leadership of woman were common back then because these aspects more or less unintentionally decrease the population to maintain enough of a food supply for everybody.\n\nSo women and gay later on were treated like shit and culture turned conservative as they started to reach the maximum, so men were more important than women for food production and a lower population means a lower amount of food, as well as the small number of soldiers to defend the realm. Yet this can also vary depending on the region because incest was popular in the medieval Europe."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>Boy-love is a delight, since even the son of Cronus, King of the gods, once came to love Ganymede, And seizing him, brought him up to Olympus and made him Eternal in the lovely flower of boyhood\nTheognis 1341-50\n>Happy he that loveth as he taketh his practice and when he goeth home sleepeth the day out with a fair lad.\nTheognis 1335-1336\n>While one loves boys among the lovely flowers of youth, Desiring their thighs and sweet mouths.\nSolon, fragments\n>The fountain of that stream which Zeus, when he was in love with Ganymede, called “desire” flows copiously upon the lover\nPlato, Phaedrus 255c\n>Sophocles in Women of Colchis said of Ganymede that he lit the fire of tyrant Zeus with his thighs.\nAthenaeus 13.601\n>[The Persians'] luxurious practices are of all kinds, and all borrowed: the Greeks taught them pederasty.\nHerodotus 1.135\n>In most of the Greek cities the laws do not oppose men’s desire for boys.\nXenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians 2.14"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nI don't think this is a very believable analysis considering the homosexual tradition of the Chinese, who were always very populous and always threatened by barbarians"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nLiterally all of this is either a mistranslation or taken out of context you utter pseud\n\nWatch https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E [Embed]\n\n>lol these random disjointed quotes totally prove this entire civilization loved sticking shit up their ass"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nHow are these mistranslated or taken out of context? What should I post if not quotes from period literature?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWatch vid I posted faggot"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTaking it back a step: why is this something you spend your time thinking about?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI've seen it and the guy is retarded, he has no acquaintance with ancient literature, quotes Plutarch to show that Alexander was straight then says Plutarch is an unreliable source when he talks about gay sex, you really shouldn't get your ideas about history from random youtubers"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>literally addresses none of his points\nYou're retarded lol"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nMaybe because he doesn't like the declining culture he's experiencing."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah but it's the symptom not the cause"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\n>we atheists can be against mental illness too\nLmao"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I've come to the belief the mark of a declining culture is directly corelated with its acceptance of homosexuality.\nYou don't say..."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nLiterally just addressed one of his arguments you illiterate tard, name any point by him and I will refute it"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nSo as a means of combating this perceived cultural decline he constructs elaborate theories, fantasies if you will, about fags throughout history? Neat"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nNo you didn't all you said was\n>this source isn't that reliable\nLiterally said nothing. You are a textbook sophist lmao kike."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nYou lack reading comprehension, this guy assumes that the source is trustworthy and not trustworthy at the same time"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nexcept he didn't say that, the guy in the video said that, after saying the same source also proved alexander is straight despite later on saying him also saying gays were certainly a thing is false"}, {"id": 30, "content": "OP protests too much"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Greco-Roman\nstopped reading here"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>ancient shitposting"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nWho are you going to believe? The so-called “experts”? Or the pure unfiltered scribbles of anonymous assholes"}, {"id": 34, "content": "When are people going to accept that Gilgamesh had sex with men? Males having sex with other males, has as far as history can tell, always existed. Whether or not you like it is a different story. Attributing the decline of Greek city-states to the acceptance of homosexuality oversimplifies the complex political, economic, and social factors that contributed to their fall. The rise of Macedonia and Rome, internal conflicts, etc led to its fall.\nAlso the absence of homosexuality in the Iliad and Odyssey does not negate its presence in ancient Greek culture; in fact, various sources document same-sex relationships."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nIt’s worth noting that even though Achilles and Patroclus were not overtly implied as having a homosexual relationship in the Iliad, even Greeks as soon as the classical period only a few centuries after Homer were imagining them as pederastic lovers"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>13\nthese are mistranslated by western pedos"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\n>>29\nAgain pure sophistry on your part, you make literally no coherent point. This is literally just a nitpic against a fucking 40 minute video lmao. You're so full of bullshit."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">I've come to the belief the mark of a declining culture is directly corelated with its acceptance of homosexuality.\nHow's being 15 and gobbling your first religious conspiracy theory, OP?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nWhat the fuck do you want from him, a line by line rebuttal of a 40 minute video for a thread that’s going to 404 in two days? STFU he punched a huge hole in your source’s logic and all you can do is damage control like a bitch. Go be a fag in denial somewhere else"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>15\nOne part of the video that I love is when he says that:\n\n46:01 timestamp in the video\n\n\"for every one tepid endorsement of homosexual pederasty that academics attempts to tease out of ancient literature we have 10 sources that explicitly denounce it as degenerate\"\n\nThen he presences not to show those 10 sources that counteract that claim. He just shows another Plato quote."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>3\n>>2\n>>1 (OP)\nIt's just true, there is nothing to say here because Homosexuals will just lash out and Western Capitals will be sacked within a few centuries anyway"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nDamn, I can't believe these guys got jewed so hard!"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nYes faggot\n>>40\nlol coping faggot"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>35\n>all of the gay porn of jesus getting deep dicked by satan means that all christians think that jesus was gay"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Plato in the Symposium where he brings of an interpretation of Achilles and Patrocolus as being lovers (though not necessarily in a sexual sense)\nSo you understand that what Plato was talking about was not a homosexual relationship?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nCan you faggot stop spamming your retarded infographics meant to pose as a strawman?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Armenians are Whitest Papuans"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Still the dullest schizo. Return me \"kill R1a\"."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Return me \"kill R1a\".\nWhat"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArmenians are Jews who followed a rolling coin to church."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>4\n>Armenians are Jews who followed a rolling coin to church.\nGeorgian saying?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Khachik Khachikyan\nyou`re dark alright, but certainly not handsome or tall"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The whole point of the philosophical zombies thought experiment is that we do not have access to the qualitative experience of others. Even if you could hack into someone's brain and create an image on a screen from the perspective of their eyes, you would only prove you can turn the brain into a projector, not that they actually experience the image. Therefore the soul is proven to be immaterial, because qualia is immaterial."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe ai cucks will never address this issue"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m in your head right now. Get your shit together man"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was the \"luckiest\" (or unluckiest, depending who won) victory in battle in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyour mom's perineum was very unlucky when it lost the battle against my balls\nhehehe"}, {"id": 3, "content": "When the Mongols twice attempted to invade Japan, and a typhoon devastated their fleet both times."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Just WHO were the Ainu exactly?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSiberian/Asian mix, more than likely."}, {"id": 3, "content": "go ask them? they still exist"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSIbrids look like this THOUGH. Ainus look more caucasian."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHmm, I stand corrected then."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nalbino australoids"}, {"id": 7, "content": "It's hard to know genetically because modern Ainu populations have intermarried so much with the Japanese, so any Ainu person you give a DNA test for will come up as looking very Jomon or Yayoi, or both. Their culture though, is Okhotsk, which suggests they originally came from mainland Asia in the north, probably Kamchatka, since the Okhotsk culture is from northern Hokkaido, Sakhalian, and the Kuril Islands."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDescendents of Finnish soldiers (though mostly non-Finns themselves, instead being a mishmash of various Europeans and Asiatics) who deserted during the hyperwar and settled on Hokkaido."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nBarely. Their culture is kept alive through the efforts of historians and anthropologists, same with their language, and pureblooded Ainu basically don't exist anymore. For a long time they were persecuted by the Japanese government so people with Ainu ancestry would hide it which makes it harder to track down living descendants."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir Ancestors, the Jomon, were Ancient East Eurasian, pre-mongoloid. They share facial SNPs with Europeans and ANE.\n>http://www.saitou-naruya-laboratory.org/assets/files/Jinam_jhg2015.pdf\nSome of the Northern Japanese on Hokkaido will look more Caucasoid due to elevated Jomon ancestry, Ainu are on average 75% Jomon."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n2/3 Chinese, 1/3 Onge."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIncredibly hard to know what a ainu even looked like, The Russians took far more of an interest in them than the Japs and that was only after around 60 years of illegal Russian settlement into Ainu areas because it unsurprisingly beat living in the tundra Russia owned in Siberia at the time (pre-Qing concessions), the Russians themselves noted race mixing between the colonists and the ainu so odds are the whiter looking ones are mutts and the super Jap looking ones with beards are more of an accurate depiction"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEast Eurasians before the bug morphology took over."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSort of like Negrito + Austro-Inuit types. Their traditional clothing is woven from tree bark which is a parallel to practices in South China and SEA\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4whDM7AE-nE [Embed]\n>>7\nThe Ainu are part Japanese from the very beginning.\nOn Hokkaido, the Late UP archaeological tradition is replaced by the Incipient Jōmon from 16kya onwards. After which follows blending of the northernmost Honshu Yayoi with the Epi-Jōmon seen in shared pottery between the islands, and this connection remains until the Emishi-related Satsumon culture is driven out from Tohoku.\nhttps://www.u-tokyo.ac.jp/biblioplaza/en/G_00049.html\n\nThis kicks off the Tobinitai Period on Hokkaido and the rest is Ainu Mosir\n>>12\nThey all mixed in the Russian Far East because they shared similar cultures. Ainu people had villages in the Amur River Basin up until the late 1800's"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAinus are recent Semitic migrants who mixed with East Asians during the Neolithic period."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>>14\nThey are an isolate they aren’t ‘x’ + ‘x’"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe last line of defense against the Yayoi gook invasion of Nippon"}, {"id": 18, "content": "this kills the yellow fever bros\n\nbiggest pheno downgrade mankind has seen after alpine farmniggers replaced WHGs"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nVery true. I was trying to approximate the strange affinities they show in genetic studies\n>>18\nThey aren't drastically different. Jōmon people just have larger eyes and wet earwax"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Jōmon and Yayoi dichotomy is a meme, Japanese people are Kofun-like."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nturks"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nThat’s their fiction cope to deny their Koreanrapebaby heritage. It’s Baekje who did the deeds."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Baekje Koreans are fucking evil. Why do they have to commit massacres against such peaceful people…"}, {"id": 24, "content": "East Eurasians who most likely split from the rest and took the coastal route. The mainland East Asians selected for specific features such as epicanthic fold while Jomon became isolated in Japan and never did."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Early modern age (1450-1700) is by far the most interesting period in history.\n\n>Ottomans making Christian Europe shit their pants, taking over all of the Balkans and the Mediterranean\n>The Italian Wars and the Renaissance\n>Superpower Habsburgs encroaching France and clashing with the Ottomans in Hungary\n>The Spanish conquest of the New World\n>The rise of Protestantism and the wars of religion in Germany and the Netherlands\n>The rise of piracy in the Caribbean by the English, French and Dutch\n>Portuguese Empire in the Indian Ocean\n>The rise of the Mughal Empire\n>The collapse of the Ming dynasty\n>Sengoku period"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Except the Europeans raped the Ottomans over and over again. Whenever two races clash, the one with the lighter skin always win"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i'd include the 18th century"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Spanish being the strongest empire in the world during that time for a while seems so weird seeing how bad they fell off and where they are today"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nMost boring shit ever"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nRusso-Japanese war\nHalf of shartmericas wars (arguably pashtuns are whiter than zogmutts)"}, {"id": 7, "content": "there's a book called\n>The Verge: Reformation, Renaissance, and Forty Years that Shook the World\nyou'd like it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nIt's the same shit with shorter wigs. You should scale back your period to 1648 if you think Baroque stuff is boring despite it being just a continuation of the same story. I doubt you know much about early-modern history at all."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAfter the end of the great turkish war there is nothing worthwhile until Napoleon"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>the French Revolution was boring\nI agree that the period leading up to it was kinda monotonous but the revolution was so batshit it makes up for it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt was. Its not the first event of bureaucrats and plebs massacring elites in history. Napoleon is what made the period interesting. He was a truly unique and bizarte individual"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\n>seeing how bad they fell off and where they are today\nSpain is so safe to live we let feminist women into politic to spice things up."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Sometimes, when I'm reading about European history I think of France as the \"USA\" power of the time period before the 1800s."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nElaborate"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was for a long time. Even with all that New World money, Spain would get its ass kicked. England was the annoying little brother for a while. But up to the later 18th century, France was top dog."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Are those angels in the background?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "France and HRE made up the major centers of power in Western Europe for all of post antiquity up until early 19th century give or take, from there it is undoubtedly the British empire."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">here's your direct descendant of muhammad bro"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad didn't exist."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Muhammad was White"}, {"id": 4, "content": "."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho’s this nigga and why should I care?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Straight up, is there a single culture in the history of man kind that\na. interacted with jews\nb. has written accounts that survived to the modern day\nc. didn't fucking hate jews"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Americas, Russians, eastern Europe, and Israel."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkhazars"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsilk road communities, china?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>The Americas\nthats recent\n>Russians, eastern Europe\ndidn't they literally try to kill all the jews? That is literally the plot of an American tail is how the russians tried to kill all the jews\n>and Israel.\nPalestinians hate them"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Israel\njews hate each other over in israel"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Palestinians\nDon't exist trust me I live in the shomron region of israel"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are no records of any hatred between the natives of India and the Jews that lived there."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nPoland (and later the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth) was always seen as a haven for Jews in Europe. From 1025 to the 17th century, Poland was the most religiously tolerant country in Europe. Historians have called it 'Paradisus Judaeorum'. It became a shelter for Jewish refugees. Some sources say that 3/4s of the world's Jews lived in Poland by the mid-16th century. The Commonwealth, when it did develop, ruled over lands populated by people who were Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish and Muslim meaning that, despite being a Catholic state, it was religiously heterogenous in its makeup. It was the weakening of the Commonwealth during the Reformation and Counter-Reformation, and the subsequent religious wars of the 17th century, that saw its status as a Jewish haven begin to wane. Major events include the Deluge and the uprising of the Zaporozhian Host led by Bohdan Khmelnytsky, during which the cossacks massacred thousands of Jews between 1648 and 1649. During the Partitions of Poland in the late 18th, large sections of the Commonwealth that had big Jewish populations were absorbed into the occupying powers, with most going to the virulently antisemitic Russian Empire, which established an area called the Pale of Settlement that Jews were not allowed to leave, subject to generations of institutionalised pogroms. Prussia (later leading the German Empire) and Austria also absorbed Jewish contingents. Jewish security in Europe began to decline, and it is over the course of the 19th century, fomented by the Haskalah or 'Jewish Enlightenment' that many Eastern European Jews either moved to Britain and America, or, later in the century, began the process of aliyah to Palestine (the beginning of Zionism). For the Jews that remained in Europe, especially the average Jewish farmer living on a shtetl in the Russian Empire, things would get gradually worse and worse."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\nThe Hebrew pronunciation of Poland is Polania (probs from Latin) or Polin, which were seen as good omens because they can be broken down into po (\"here\"), lan (\"dwells\"), ya (\"God\"), or into: po (\"here\") lin (\"[you should] dwell\"). In the 17th century, Rabbi David HaLevi Segal wrote that Poland was a place where \"most of the time the gentiles do no harm; on the contrary they do right by Israel\".\nBritain since the 17th century has also been a particularly tolerant country for Jews."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe persians that gave israel back to them??"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nthat is where the poles are all jews shit comes from"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAlso the Warsaw ghetto."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBefore Zionism and the settlement of Israel, quality of life for Jews in the Middle East and the Muslim world was generally pretty good, depending on time period and specific kingdom, caliphate or sultanate. Aside from the second class citizen dhimmi status and jizya tax, which was also true for Christians in Muslims lands), Jews didn't experience the same level of persecution that they later did in, say, Iberia or Russia.\nThe Pact of Umar established Jewish status as dhimmi (along with Christians, Zoroastrians, etc), but after 637 the Caliph also permitted the Jews to reside within Jerusalem again for the first time since Hadrian banned them all in 136. However, Umar still ensured that most Jews and Christians were deported from Arabia to Babylon and the Levant, also encouraged by the kharaj land tax, with only Jeddah as a quarantine zone.\nJews fared fairly well in Islamic Granada, and the viziers of Baghdad relied heavily on Jewish bankers (much the same as the court Jews of the Holy Roman Empire). However, there was never some kind of interfaith utopia, and violence against the Jews could still flare up at certain times - the 1066 Granada massacre being the most famous case. Later on, the Almohads were particularly harsh towards dhimmis.\nJewish refugees fled from Spain to the Ottoman Empire after the Alhambra Decree, and most North African cities had Jewish quarters called mellahs. Things weren't as tolerant in Early Modern Persia. Obviously during all this there were periods of contention and discrimination, but it seems that generally things were more tolerant than in some of the Christian states. After all, it was the Ottoman firmans and waqfs during Tanzimat and before that formed the status quos in Jerusalem, Bethlehem and the Temple Mount between Muslims, Jews and various sects of Christians. Muslim-Jewish relations are hooked on the political situation of the time, and that is why it often changes between periods of conflict and coexistence."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n\nBefore Zionism and then Hitler, Poland (including parts of modern Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine) had probably the greatest density of Jews in the world. Most Ashkenazi Jews in America, for example, can trace their ancestors to Jews who originally settled in these areas when they were under the Polish crown. Now, there are probably less than 20,000 Jews in Poland. They either all moved to Israel over generations, or were killed in the Holocaust. Some went to the Anglosphere.\nThe biggest original incentive for Jews to move to Poland were the Magdeburg rights, which outlined Jewish rights in Poland, like communal autonomy, and the right to live according to their own laws.\nRadhanite Jews (merchants) had established trade routes that linked Kyiv and Bukhara, as well as Khazaria, to Moorish al-Andalus, and Silesia was a point along these routes.\nThe first major Jewish migration to Poland was during the First Crusade (probably encouraged by anti-Jewish massacres elsewhere), when the Duke of Poland Bolesław Wrymouth incentivised Jewish settlement for commercial gain. Mieszko III had Jewish engravers and technicians in his mint, and coins minted under him even have Hebrew on them. Over the centuries, the Church made extensive efforts to limit the rights of Jews in Poland, but successive Polish rulers pushed back against them. Article 31 of the Statute of Kalisz tried to rein in the Church from disseminating blood libels against the Jews, by stating:\n\n>\"Accusing Jews of drinking Christian blood is expressly prohibited. If despite this a Jew should be accused of murdering a Christian child, such charge must be sustained by testimony of three Christians and three Jews.\""}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n\nIn the mid-14th century, Casimir III the Great was especially friendly to Jews, and enshrined some of their rights in the Wiślicki Statute. The personal union of Poland and Lithuania in 1385 extended these rights to Lithuanian Jews. However, it was also the case in the 14th century that hysteria over the Black Death led to lots of accusations against the Jews.\nHowever, essentially, from the 14th-17th centuries was a golden age for Jews in Poland and Lithuania."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>>\"Accusing Jews of drinking Christian blood is expressly prohibited. If despite this a Jew should be accused of murdering a Christian child, such charge must be sustained by testimony of three Christians and three Jews.\"\nwhat the fuck kind of law is that? Jews 100% drink the blood of christian kids"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nPoles are golems"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nTo the shock of no one Poland Lithuanian commonwealth was the worst state in europe"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nwhat's so bad about them"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\n>blood libels against the Jews,\nA libel has to be a false statement, though..."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nKing had no power si the nobles just fucked around. It was a joke. Then it was mogged by cossacks, swedes, and russians. Before the merger Lithuania was extremely powerful. After joining lithuania was the junior partner. What a fucking mistake it was to join with the fucking poles."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nBlood libel is a title now. It's clever really"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Toaff wrote that these critics had misunderstood his book, which argued that the ritual use of small quantities of dried blood in magical curses had been a real practice among medieval \"Ashkenazi extremists\", but that this was unrelated to the accusation of ritual murder which was the central claim of blood libel.\noh wow"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nThat's because jews opened the gates with their subversion on some sieges to help during the moorish invasion."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\nIsrael is close to being 110 lmao"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\n>Things weren't as tolerant in Early Modern Persia\nBased"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\nThat's a nice camping setup! I've got a similar one myself."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nkek"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Were they not on good terms with the literal Aryans?\n\nPersia seems to have restored them once, and historically many Jews lived there. OFC the ancient Persians were well known for their general religious tolerance. It is a curious point of connection between Persian Iran and Poland.\n\n>the Persian kings are credited with permitting and enabling the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple; its reconstruction was effected \"according to the decree of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia\" (Ezra 6:14). This great event in Jewish history took place in the late sixth-century BCE, by which time there was a well-established and influential Jewish community in Persia.\n\n\"Cyrus granted all the Jews citizenship. Though he allowed the Jews to return to Israel (around 537 BCE), many chose to remain in Persia. Thus, the events of the Book of Esther are set entirely in Iran. \"\n\nalso, context\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehud_Medinata"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Thus, the events of the Book of Esther are set entirely in Iran. \"\nLiterally fake history, fake persecution, fake victim complex, celebrating massacre of goyim. Such gratefulness to their supposed saviours"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>ezra 6:14"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nqq\n\n*sadfaec*\n\n>>32\nwhy are there so many Aryan Jews"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>Book of Esther\nThis one really ahows how neurotic hebrews were"}, {"id": 35, "content": "In the Bible, literally the Aryans (Achaemenids under Koresh, Cyrus the Great) inspired by God give the ancient Israelites back their freedom after conquering Babylon circa 539 BC. All of this really happened historically, look at this cylindrical decree with Cyrus' genealogy and relevant deeds.\n\nFind earlier source material other than the Bible for the claim of Cyrus' conquest of Babylon here confirmed, it can't be done (go ahead and see what Herodotus says about him). Archaeology supports the narrative retained specifically in the Bible.\n\n>pic related\n\n*dates from the 6th century BC and was discovered in the ruins of the ancient Mesopotamian city of Babylon (modern Iraq) in 1879*\n\n\"From [?][92] to Aššur and [from] Susa, Agade, Ešnunna, Zabban, Me-Turnu, Der, as far as the region of Gutium, the sacred centers on the other side of the Tigris, whose sanctuaries had been abandoned for a long time, I returned the images of the gods, who had resided there [i.e., in Babylon], to their places and I let them dwell in eternal abodes. I gathered all their inhabitants and returned to them their dwellings.[93]\"\n\n>Old Persian script was called Aryan (OP. ariyā) by the Achaemenids. It is largely known from an extensive body of *cuneiform* inscriptions – especially from the time of Darius the Great (r. 522-486 BCE) and his son Xerxes (r. 486-465BCE)[3]. However, some scholars believe that Aryan was invented by the first Iranian dynasty, the Medes (728-550BCE), and then adopted by the Achaemenids as the imperial script[4]. Old Persian script continued to survive, though in a corrupt form described by Skjærvø as ‘post-Old-Persian’, as late as the first century BCE[5].\n\n*cuneiform*\n\n\" King Darius says: By the grace of Ahuramazda this is the inscription which I have made. Besides, it was in Aryan (\"ariyâ\") script, and it was composed on clay tablets and on parchment. Besides, a sculptured figure of myself I made.\n—Behistun Inscription (IV lines"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>judeo-christian schizo post"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>15\n>such charge must be sustained by testimony of three Christians and three Jews.\"\nyou know for a fact no jew will rat on another jew for drinking christian children blood"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>16\n>14th century that hysteria over the Black Death led to lots of accusations against the Jews.\ndidn't jews literally poision wells during the black death?"}, {"id": 39, "content": "oops\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>9\n>>10\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\nTo the surprise of nobody, hatred of Jews runs deeper in the old Commonwealth territory than anywhere else but Palestine. In fact it was the original Palestine, with a privileged Jewish managerial class \"tending to\" the goy slaves of goy feudal overlords."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\nIsraelis absolutely despise the ultra-orthodox Haredi Jews."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nJesus fucking Christ you're thick"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>24\nIsn’t that what he said after he was threatened/attacked?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>28\nholy shit lmao"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>2\n>Russia\nAre you fucking kidding? Get off the history board right now lol."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>5\nAt this point, most Americans hate the Jews.\nA lot of Americans fear speaking out about the Jews, but be sure 90% of Americans hate them.\nThe Jews tried to genocide the Russians"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>7\nSo, you genocided the native Palestinians?\nThis is why people hate you."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\nYes, but they only poisoned the wells of the goyim and any Jew will hear that as they dindunuffin."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">God knows everything, including the future\n>Therefore, he knows who will go to Heaven and Hell\n>Therefore, whether or not you'll be saved is determined before you're even born\nWhat's the problem with this logic? The debate over it is a huge deal to the history of Christianity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didn’t the Jews ever care about this place?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would they? They already have juicy goyim in western europe and america asking to be taken from the behind."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's obvious. Nobody gives a shit about a culturally insignificant locale without any resources in the middle of fucking nowhere. That's like saying \"gee, why did the Koreans not like Central Asia?\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>he's never visted Koreatown in central asia"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was only ever meant to be an outpost on the Tunguska River since the Chinese had made incursions in the area previously, Stalin just used the whole Jewish resettlement thing as a convenient excuse to finally man this outpost. It didn’t really matter that Jews largely stopped settling there by the 40s because enough Russians had arrived and the settlement was finally stabilized."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrussia was and is a shithole"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Meme Jew relocation scheme in the mid 20th century\n>Jews didn't care\nTried and true."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the early Soviet Union, most sources of income for Jews had been made illegal since private ownership, small business, or certain crafts were not endorsed in Leninism. As a result, Jewish unemployment increased by a fair bit, and so Kozmet, was formed by the Soviets to encourage the Jews into agriculture. The committee also looked to find areas to settle these Jews, with two raions in Crimea, and three in Ukraine being established, before the JAO was proposed in the late 20s and formed in the mid 30s. The region was chosen since most prior settlers had links to the Cossacks which the Soviets were actively trying to oppose since they either favoured, aided, or outright joined White Russian attacks from across the border in China. At its peak, Jews only made up ~25%, this peak having occured after WWII with Jews fearful of remaining in their traditional areas of settlement known as The Pale in Eastern Europe due to the Holocaust, however upon the establishment of Israel in 1949, this peak quickly declined.\nThey didn't care because it was incredibly far away from any area they knew, in a hostile environment with a difficult climate, and by the time Jews cared enough to actually move away, a better alternative with even more Jews appeared, and one that could be argued by the clerical class as fulfilling God's will since Israel was between the Nile and Euphrates, as opposed to some sliver of land next to China.\nMany Soviet bureaucrats also perceived the JAO as a failure, exacerbated by the inexperience of most Jews in farming, and only pursued because it was a Stalinist policy. When contrasting it to Khruschevs more successful Virgin Lands campaign, one can speculate a more appropriate area for the Jews would've been in Central Asia.\nInterestingly enough too, the JAO served as inspiration for Gypsies to lobby for their own autonomous areas, though they did so unsuccessfully, partly due to the failure or the JAO."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is Myaphysitism heresy? It seems like a really stupid thing to split over desu."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">describes Jesus in two very similar sounding ways\n>which one is he?\n>wdk ask Jesus when you meet him in the next life\n>church fracture avoided"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not stupid and the reason they went this autistic over christology was because Marcion and the docetists were right.\nBut the Catholic kikes want you to worship a jewish caricature of Jesus with a stinky circumcized cock and not what Jesus really was - an immaterial spirit devoid of any jewishness"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTake your positive Christianity with you back to hell Hitler"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNo."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It seems like a really stupid thing to split over desu\nThat's Christianity for you."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Immaterial spirit\n>Implying Jesus didn't sacrifice himself upon the cross for the sins of man\nYou're so ngmi"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>allow provincials to form their own identities"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nPositive Christianity was just a social movement not a theology or denomination"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, the 'Joint Commission Of The Theological Dialogue Between The Orthodox Church And The Oriental Orthodox Churches' in the Second Agreed Statement in 1990 released this:\n>The Orthodox agree that the Oriental Orthodox will continue to maintain their traditional Cyrillian terminology of \"one nature of the incarnate Logos\" (μία φύσις τοῦ θεοῦ λόγου σεσαρκωμένη), since they acknowledge the double consubstantiality of the Logos which Eutyches denied. The Orthodox also use this terminology. The Oriental Orthodox agree that the Orthodox are justified in their use of the two-natures formula, since they acknowledge that the distinction is \"in thought alone\" (τῇ θεωρίᾳ μόνῃ). [...] we have now clearly understood that both families have always loyally maintained the same authentic Orthodox Christological faith, and the unbroken continuity of the apostolic tradition, though they have used Christological terms in different ways. It is this common faith and continuous loyalty to the Apostolic Tradition that should be the basis for our unity and communion.\n\nEssentially the differences came down to mistranslations and that they now get the jist of what's meant. Of the churches on both sides as of 2021, for Eastern Orthodox, Alexandria, Antioch, and Romania have agreed; and for Oriental, Coptic, Syriac, and Malankara have agreed.\nRussia has asked for more clarification, Mount Athos (technically under Constantinople) has rejected any dialogue, and all others on either side haven't commented or shown interest. If the two fully agree, full communion is restored.\nThe confusion was essentially equating miaphysitism with monophysitism, when instead it's a lot closer to the dyophysitism of Chalcedonian churches."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was this the American equivalent of Caligula making his horse a consul? Why would they elect a literal ape?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "That shit ain't 25 years ago, brah.\n\n>>>/pol/"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How common was it for Christian sailors during the age of sail to have sex with whores? How exactly did they justify it religiously speaking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Aquinas thought prostitution was a necessary evil because if you got rid of it, men would be driven insane with lust and become gay."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How exactly did they justify it religiously speaking?\nIt went something like\n>Muh dikk!\n>I'll just confess later\n>Muh dikk!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n> Guaranteed sin is better than potential sin"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAccording to Aquinas, sodomy is much worse than simple fornication because only sodomy is contrary to nature."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI thought lesser and greater evils weren’t a thing in most Christian sects? Shit’s kind of confusing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtremely common, people were still degens in the past, reality isn’t like /pol/ claims where your avg person spent all day praying and being a trad family man as soon as they hit 18. Your avg guy was fucking whores, getting drunk with the bros and avoiding work at all cost. And that was your avg guy, not even a criminal or something."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI don’t get how someone can both be religious and disregard what their religion prescribes."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe same way they justified killing people"}, {"id": 10, "content": "The threat of syphilis and gonorrhea, warnings from the pulpit and word of mouth deterred most. The state of medicine back then meant little guarantee that a prostitute, or the client, was disease free. Most brothels rather put on shows and entertainment, which the sailors would presumably masturbate to later, reducing the probability of them finding a prostitute and contracting a disease that affects their performance. This practice continued in the navy and army."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMen have always been driven by pusi since the dawn of time, Christian sailors still do this very frequently"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nNigga he's a sailor he sits on a boat all day he's fuggin bored and doesn't go to church why would he care when he sails all over the world"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nNo one on /pol/ says that you obsessed incel\n\n>>10\nProstitution was common in the ancient world. The Roman government even had a whore tax."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nMost men never used prostitutes at all. The minority who did just used them frequently."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nThe only sects that matter are Catholic"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nlmao, nutting with a prostitute in rome cost as little as a cup of wine"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nlol wtf is going on in this image"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nShe's a member of the Mongolian neo-Nazi group Tsagaan Khas. She's at the statue of Chingünjav."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>my catholic church leaders told me so, so it must be true"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nProtestantism is a heresy and history has exposed it. All the protestant countries are now atheist."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>my catholic church leaders told me so, so it must be true\nCatholicism caused the french revolution. They threw the baby out with the babylonian polytheist papist bathwater.\n\nAll you have is these little talking points and quips because the scripture doesn't support your cult, it condemns it and all those who refuse to leave it. Come out of her my people, that ye partake not of her sins, that ye receive not of her plagues."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThe French Revolution was anti-Catholic"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>All you have is these little talking points and quips because the scripture doesn't support your cult, it condemns it and all those who refuse to leave it.\nWhy don't you read and accept the Books of Enoch as literal truth?"}, {"id": 24, "content": "You don't understand how Christians religiously speak about justification.\n\nNobody justifies whoredom."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nidk about the age of sail, but I work with a bunch of old Catholic Deep-sea Fishermen and some of them are pretty degenerate. one Captain tells me about the whore-houses in the Philippines, how he had bestiality porn on film in the 70s, and gives directions on land by using porn stores as land-marks, but he insists on not eating meat on Fridays during lent (Donuts are fine though) from what I can gather he's just not that smart and doesn't really think about it that much which is probably how illiterate sailors were back in the day. Other guys are less degen though so it varies I guess."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is a topic that fascinates me, but I struggle to find archeological basis for this thesis because of how old Jerusalem is. But hear me out:\n\nThe Exodus and the Ilyad dramatize events that happened in the aftermath of the Bronze Age Collapse or during the generation of the collapse itself.\n\nPro-arguments:\n\n>the seven plagues are much akin to the descriptions of the pestilence, climate change, earthquakes and geological phenomenons that caused the collapse\n>the jews left Egypt and fought a war with the phillistines, whom we acknowledge as being descendants of western mediterranean people who migrated due to climate change during the collapse - they are sea people who settled in Egypt abandoned eastern domains in the Levant\n>coherently, the kingdom of Israel prospers briefly before it is conquered by the assyrians, where the jews suffer before being liberated by the achaemanid persians\n\nAnti-arguments:\n\n>the Holy Texts speak of a post-Exodus kingdom of Israel that meddled with Hittites, a kingdom by then likely extinguished - which is a consensus between historians, thus forcing the Kingdom of Israel to exist out of time, in a period of history where the Levant was actually dominated by Egypt and the Hittite Empire\n\nAnyone has any idea on this? Were the events in Exodus really inspired by a real diaspora?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">climate change"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nStop doxing yourself."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nclimate change is actually real it just isn't going to destroy the planet like redditors think. For some places the climate will improve but for others it will deteriorate."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo its not. They were culturally the same as phoenicians. The poor inland with zero historical impact version of them. There was no out of Egypt migration."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>climate change is actually real it just isn't going to destroy the planet\nYeah, it's called \"seasons\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "From the outside looking in, JFK seems like a pretty mediocre president. His biggest geopolitical victory was him just fixing his own fuck up,\n\nIs there a reason he’s worshipped so hard over than the fact he got killed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there a reason he’s worshipped so hard over than the fact he got killed?\n\nHe was the president when boomers got old enough to pay attention to the news and his assassination is the first really big thing boomers remember happening"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was handsome and fucked beautiful women. There’s also the civil rights stuff."}, {"id": 4, "content": "the democrat party tried to resurrect FDR with JFK and both of them created welfare legislation that got passed"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was killed by the system\nAnd everyone hates the system"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Reminder that Kennedy was an asshole coomer who went to berlin saying ''dont ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do to your country'', which means the public servants are here to be served by the population and not the public servants are here to work for the population.\n\nThere is the real purpose of the republican revolutions starting in britain, america, france : the caste of bureaucrats and merchants are here to leech off the population as much as possible."}, {"id": 7, "content": "It's quite clear that he got shot because he was about to attack debt slavery ran by banker kikes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>Executive Order 11110\nThat wasn't for what this retard claims its for\nSilver Certificates were issued alongside standard notes, it was to be issued as an intermediate currency before dropping solver backing altogether, becuase gold/silver backed currencies are actually not that great despite what economic midwits want you to believe, since the value of gold and silver only indirectly change due to market forces. JFK was planning on leaving the gold/silver standard anyways."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\na couple of reasons\n>got assassinated\nthis will always bring up your political sympathy even if previously everybody hated you, the only exception is if you were a massive dickhead\n>charisma\nwhile for all intents and purposes JFK really had no idea what he was doing most of the time, he has the charm and confident appearance to mitigate that in public, best example is his debate with Nixon\n>conspiracy theories and what people think JFK was going to do\nthis is the ultimate reason, when you look at the various discussions about JFKs assassination you soon see people having all sorts fo wild theories about who did it and why, this is because to them they saw claims JFK was going to do something that they approved of simply due to the fact JFK flip flopped a lot giving ideological larpers plenty of ammo to use to shill for him, even if he never actually intended to do said thing, or in multiple cases never actually stated he wanted to do said thing"}, {"id": 10, "content": "what did JFK mean by this?\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYEEGWaWnDU [Embed]"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>\"You may remember that in 1851 the New York Herald Tribune under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent an obscure journalist by the name of Karl Marx.\"\n>\"We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and managing editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the \"lousiest petty bourgeois cheating.\"\"\n>\"If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him more kindly; if only Marx had remained a foreign correspondent, history might have been different.\"\n>\"My topic tonight is a more sober one of concern to publishers as well as editors.\"\nHe was addressing the American Newspapers Publishing Association. It was a speech about media censorship, and was directed towards the Soviets censorship of the media as a cautionary tale, as well as domestic ideas of media censorship in order to protect politicians in the same way. You retards often leave out the beginning parts of this speech, ironically enough"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nProve it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why Warrior Asiatic Eye with Blue color so Rare ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause no soul"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe’s not asiatic he’s suffering from severe edema, probably due to kidney problems"}, {"id": 4, "content": "By the way his name Sawa is also a Japanese surname."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhe was born in Śniatycze , so any Turkic tribes live there ?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Aniatycze"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nProbably archaic Germanic\nhttps://www.quora.com/Where-is-the-family-name-Sawa-originally-from"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nHis birth name is Michał Hrycuniak"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause blue eye is a white / western eurasian / caucasoid trait"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nepicanthal fold+blue eyes is not really rare."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nMost white mutt american just have big eyes"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI'm talking about balts, slavs, finns and some germans."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How racist are you"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n0% (exceptions apply)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m racist as fuck. NASCAR is an inferior race to the 100 meter dash or Grand Prix."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m not racist. Racism is privilege plus power so as a POC I can’t ever be racist."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbout tree-fiddy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe most"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nAs an Irish-French mutt, I am a POC according to Ben Franklin. According to you I am not able to be racist. Nigger."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt depends on your definition of racism.\n\nModern-day leftist definition? Yes I am absolutely racist.\nPre-Occupy definition? Not in the slightest."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Extremely but it is tempered because as a Christian I believe there is no creature so wretched as to be totally devoid of hope, sympathy, or mercy except for the devil."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nPotatoniggers are honorary POC"}, {"id": 11, "content": "I'm white but I'd marry a med"}, {"id": 12, "content": "send everyone back to their own country and i wouldn't be against any of em"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI’m a mix of Irish, English, French, Dutch, cherokee, and Welsh. Where the hell do I go?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\namerica is designated as the euro-mutt country"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI've noticed throughout my life that I'm at least slightly biased against east Asians, in particular against Chinese. I try to be aware of this and stay open-minded."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWhat's wrong with them specifically? Compared to Africans/Indians/Arabs they are the literal model minority."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Not as racist as I used to be. I'll give most people a chance to prove themselves first and don't auto hate someone just because of skin pigmentation but all brown people should still leave Europe"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI recognize that other groups have ideas and values that are incompatible with my own. This usually falls along the lines of race but can also be applied to white groups like coastal types and the British."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI used to be slightly racist, but after visiting this shithole and noticing all my fellow white /pol/tards screeching endlessly about trivial shit other races do I've actually become less racist over time, in fact now I'm practically anti-racist as a result."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI unironically this site for my racism. I don't believe you're better or worse based on you race but I've became more realistic regarding what's white and not. I've almost started arguments when someone at work in one way or another discuss race, and casually claim slavs and people from the balkan are white.\n\nThey're not better or worse. But white? lol"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mostly hate Moroccans"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\nSee, that's why I consider it a bias. My inclination towards thinking of them as conniving and scheming by nature is pretty much unfounded, and I try to be aware of that. I was less so as a kid, and didn't exactly have too many Asian friends in my childhood.\nI truly have no clue why I formed such a bias. Despite being a 4channer I don't hold the same view about Jews, even. (Too many Jewish acquaintances growing up for that to happen imo, not to mention my great-grandma, who was alive until I was around 12, had a numbers tattoo from 1944. If memory serves she was held at Bergen-Belsen)"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is racist ? I just like Blue pipo"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n100% nigger hate here."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery. But I try to be sophisticated about it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">This listener asks \"Ben, me and my wife are devoted Christians and new parents and we're divided on the idea of circumcising our son. What do you think of the idea? I've heard it compared with female genital mutilation.\"\n>Well, first of all it should be emphasized that Jesus was a Jew, therefore he was circumcised and it would have been silly to think he wasn't so there is nothing at all un-Christian about the practice. In Jewish tradition it's supposed to be a statement that you dedicated your whole body to God, it doesn't at all diminish your body or your ability to experience sexual pleasure, and it's nothing at all like FGM. So yes, it's a very important part of your spiritual commitment to God and not at all a questionable practice."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"Devout Christians\"\n>Listen to Jewish show every day\n>Want to circumcise their son despite the New Testament explicitly stating the act is bullshit because of the circumcision of the heart (Colossians 2:11)\nYup. They're evangelicunts alright..."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut Ben, Jesus came to fulfill the Law therefore Christians are no longer bound by the Mosaic laws. Also...\n\n>circumcision doesn't diminish your dick's functionality\nUh, yeah, about that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nObligatory"}, {"id": 5, "content": "and he continues to quietly if not overtly seethe about Trump every day. remember that he never actually liked the guy since 2016 and was an open Never Trumper back then."}, {"id": 6, "content": "As a proud fiscal conservative, here’s why we aren’t doing enough to financially support Israel."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe OP bit was from his show today. After that he went into some unrelated discussion about the Israeli Supreme Court (actually I never knew Israel doesn't have an actual written constitution)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Kyle, keep your crazy penis-chopping family away from me."}, {"id": 9, "content": "George Soros needs gentile foreskins for his longevity serum"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone else Ben sharipo looks like a gay ass nigga in this picture? He looks like Sheldon from the Big Bang theory if he was real"}, {"id": 11, "content": "I thought this guy was supposed to be smart, hasn't he heard of the council of Jerusalem? The book of Acts? It can obviously be un-christian even if Jesus did it\n\n>Part you \"your\" spiritual commitment (says the Jew to the Christian)\nReally giving credibility to the noahide conspiracy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nFaggot probably doesn't even know what the circumcision of the heart is"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Christianity is correct, and if intelligent extraterrestrial life exists does that mean Jesus had to die countless times across the universe?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNative americans did not know before europeans came\nJust like them, it's up to us to bring aliens the good news"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo one expects the Space Inquisition"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhat if Aliens already have their own version of Christianity?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nWhat if I get an Alien girlfriend?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "If Christianity is correct then any life out in space must have originated on Earth before being carried elsewhere.\n\nOur rovers and shit probably delivered bacteria to Mars. There is a good chance all the underground Martians are dead now from diseases we brought."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I once asked this to my grandmother when I was a little kid. She was a devout Roman Catholic. She supposed that if aliens were out there then they might have had their own saviors."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nMy problem with this is that Jesus is the savior to all mankind. But, we're talking about something other than man."}, {"id": 9, "content": "The alien looks like it could be a Pokemon."}, {"id": 10, "content": "No, and the reason is that God made man in his own image.\nSo, to all others they would not be favored by God. If they existed at all. Which in the logic here they probably don't."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Different fleshbags and names even if same spirit. The day you get anally probed you can ask them about space Y1szu$ and see if it's like that."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nAnd if the ayys are bipedial, mostly hairless apes like us?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>11\nJesus stops \"alien abductions\".\n\n>>6\n>implying NASA actually landed and remote-controlled anything on Mars\nlol, dusty solar panels"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly if they succumbed to Satan's bidding and imparted Original Sin onto their descendants."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nNon-humans are not recipients of original sin nor are they eligible for forgiveness under Christ's sacrifice. Christianity is for humanity, entwined in the history of God's Earth, alone."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he doesn't know the bible teaches flat earth"}, {"id": 17, "content": "God looks out so whoever needs salvation from the wage of sin, from death, God has already come through."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe Jesus Sutras make it very clear that he put on the Five Attributes and entered into Samsara. Yes."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>my omnipotent, omniscient god is constrained to a single grain of sand on the beach\nSad!"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\ndude that actually sounds pretty comfy\n\nsandpai please"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno\nPhilippians 2:11 doesnt say \"all tongues on earth\" it says \"all tongues\" without specifying a planet. Jesus died for universe."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nGod still tried to reach people who did not had communication with The Churc\n\nhttps://youtu.be/xzjPa7fJbJw [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\noops, i accidentslly pressed enter.\nLet me complete:\nh. Prophecies are still happening and Holy Spirit is still active. But apostolic succession needs apostolic ministry, because that is what God has set. However God through prophecies had active contact eith every people from world. And every human actually aims for truth (who is God) and everyone seeks truth, God is just and unacknowledged people will get judged according to what they knew.\nThe problem of prophecy is, it can get tainted pretty easily without solid writings in hand. Becaus eprophecy is at the end of day is inspiration from God BUT words of men."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nI’m just saying it sounds absurd, as do many religious notions, that somehow in the infinitude of creation we’re “special.” Hubris much?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nBut we are. Who else worships God?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nCall me crazy but I don’t think an all powerful omnipresence god would need feet or a digestive tract"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">*sighs* \"Hey guys...uh I just wanted to make this video...and uh address some recent events...*holds back tears*...This is one of the hardest things I've ever had to do..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we nuked some nips\nAnd everyone clapped"}, {"id": 3, "content": "They thought the next wars would kill millions and vaporize cities.\nThey'd probably cry even more, tears of joy, if they'd find out their invention has actually prevented wars and the deaths of millions. :("}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm looking for a study Bible that has actual info about the historial context of the Bible and about points critical to the text.\n\nAll I have found is Bibles with platitudes like these:\n\n>this verse means Jesus loves you\n\nCan anyone recommend me a good study Bible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you're going to be buying more resources in the future you should give Logos Bible Software a look, you get a free book every month and when you catch something on sale it can end up saving you a bunch. Ok that's enough shilling for now; it can depend upon your desires and the extent of them. Most study Bibles or Resources are for lack of a better term themed(ish). You'll find they all try to do a thing as apposed to do everything, which obviously makes sense when you think about it. Based on what you've asked for the best and most accessible for historical background would be the IVP Bible Background commentary which is essentially all historical context. I bought it in print before I got Logos and it is really well done and seems right up your alley.\n\nFor your other request I would say something like the ESV study Bible combined with the ESV Bible Atlas. The study Bible leans contains some of the resources found in the atlas but the atlas lacks what you would find in a study Bible (obviously); it also leans towards a more Calvinistic interpretation but if you can stomach that and disagree it's actually very solid for how accessible it is. One of my personal favourites is \"The Bible Knowledge Commentary\", which while it leans towards more of a meaning side of things, from what I've found it strikes a good balance between background and meaning."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe one that guy over at Sentinel Apologetics is okay, if not a bit biased.\nUnfortunately he only finished Mark and Daniel, but I don't know when the guy's going to create his next commentary."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTo add to this, I've recently become really fond of the Tyndale commentaries (TOTC/TNTC) and have found them useful. But some more that might be up your alley would be:\nThe New American Commentary Series\nThe Holman Illustrated Bible Commentary\nThe New Bible Commentary (NBC)\n\nIf these don't hit the mark you can check out the bestcommentaries website which bases ratings on reviews from memory.\nGod bless anon <3."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Didn't Heiser work for faithlife"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n\"Scholar in residence\". RIP.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/slLQUy6E_Po [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Reformation Study Bible, 1599 Geneva Bible"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Have you looked into the new Oxford annotated Bible?\nI don't think I've seen a single note like the one you mention in it\nThe commentary is very factual and contains very little analysis"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSecond and I recommend getting a used older edition for the low cost ($7 amazon)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nIsn't that an atheist production?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nOxford university press?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOrthodox Study Bible"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nNo it's not\n>>9\nYeah you probably could get a cheap used edition that was used for seminary/university"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can never go wrong with an Ignatius Catholic Study Bible."}, {"id": 15, "content": "New Catholic Answer Bible is a good choice."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Holocaust is the most well studied, well documented genocide in history. That's why it's illegal to study.\nI can't make this any clearer."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's not illegal to study, germans are just retarded"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt's illegal to deny you stupid nigger, plenty of people have made careers out of studying it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nit's not even illegal to deny, what's illegal (in only some parts of Europe mind you) is being a neonazi. You know, since neonazis are generally considered a violent terrorist group, and they often mischaracterize this (on purpose) into denying the holocaust as illegal, since most neonazis are holocaust denyers."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nEven if that would be the case, it would make the studies worthless if they can only conclude that it happened. Anyway that is not the case and it's illegal to do any digging or acquiring hard evidence, so there goes that."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>it's not even illegal to deny, what's illegal (in only some parts of Europe mind you) is being a neonazi.\n\nThat's only really true in Austria, where an entire subsection of their constitution completely banned the Nazi Party, former members were required to register themselves with authorities (essentially in a similar manner to sex offenders in the United States), and promulgation of Nazi ideology was explicitly banned. It's banned in Russia on similar grounds but enforcement is very obviously selective (Fagner Group is full of Neo-Nazis despite having a Jewish CEO, Russian propaganda outlets regularly court Neo-Nazis or promulgate Neo-Nazi ideas). In most other jurisdictions, Holocaust denial is de facto banned on the grounds of\n\n>hate speech/incitement of hatred (Greece, Germany)\n>prohibition on racial discrimination (Australia, the Netherlands, Italy, France, Portugal, Romania)\n>general prohibition on genocide/atrocity denial (Belgium, Hungary, the Netherlands, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Poland, Switzerland, Spain, Germany, Bosnia)\n>explicit prohibition on the promotion of antisemitism (Ukraine, Canada, Israel)\n>promotion of unconstitutional organizations (Germany)\n>slander against deceased persons (Germany)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Holocaust denial is de facto banned\nSo its not banned, but you're mischaracterizing it as such, because you're a dishonest retard."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>So its not banned, but you're mischaracterizing it as such, because you're a dishonest retard.\n\nIt's explicitly banned by statue (as in the law has it literally written that Holocaust denial is considered a prohibited act on X ground) in numerous jurisdictions. Others ban it implicitly through judicial interpretation of written law (ex. \"Holocaust denial is a known tactic of Neo-Nazis and Islamists, which is banned, so it is too\")"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSo basically its not really banned to deny the holocaust"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The government sometimes kills people that inconvenience it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho really killed Seth Rich?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAll I can say with certainty is that I didn’t do it, or at least that nobody saw me do it. Because I didn’t. You can’t prove shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI think you killed Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBros... Say it isn't so..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYou can’t prove that neither. I was nowhere near the Austro-Hungarian empire. I won’t tell you where I was but I wasn’t there. You can’t prove shit. If you continue this slander you’ll hear from my lawyers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the new union treaty passed after the referendum and the 1991 coup never happened, could Russia/USSR successfully remained in stable control of all or most of these areas in red and orange?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. The USSR was always destined to be a failed state."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNot necessarily the USSR, but a non-communist successor state."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\ncommunism is irrelevant here, noboy wanted to live with this retarded vatniggers anymore, and since a large portion of the army was composed of non-russians who wouldnt be willing to crush the rebellions, ussr had no other choice but to accept its demise.\nthis is the same reason why china will never fall apart, since it is a monoethnic country, unlike the ussr.\nrussia actually tried its best to at least preserve the rsfsr borders. chechnya and tatarstan were pretty much independent till mid 2000`s and without russian military intervention (and thousands of deaths of russian citizens, both ethnic russians and minorities) russia would be fragmented even more"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nTrue, but remember that Gorbachev and not Yeltsin/Putin was in charge of Russia back then. It may have developed differently had Gorb not been coup'd."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about Austrofascism. How was it different to German National Socialism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">catholic instead of secular\n>cultural supremacist instead of racial\n>actually worked with trade unions instead of just claiming to"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It was actually based."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPapism is Satanism and all papists need to be exterminated"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThanks Dirk!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nLol you’ll be so surprised when your blasphemous ass ends up in hell\n>>5\nDirk isn’t rabidly anticatholic."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWas Dirk also a raging closeted homo"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Nazism wasn't as corporatist as Austrian or Italian Fascism iirc.\n\n'corporatist' in this context means something different than corporatocracy, although it was probably also that too, hard to imagine how almost pure corporatism wouldn't also be extreme corporatocracy too."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Romebros..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd they all got spanked. Your point?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>getting spanked by your rapebabies\nCould be worse. Still better than the original romans who were unable to pass on their genes"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Etruscans were african american"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI love velch."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Anyone notice how rampant Marcionite thought is in protestant circles?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Show us"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObviously it is. Harnack who revived Marcionism was a Lutheran. This is the real reason the jews had to kikefy protestantism with the Scofield Bible."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Alexander? Combined arms warfare.\n2. Ceasar? Great at forcing his enemies to fight on his terms. Demanding loyalty from his troops. Had expierenced legionarries fighting for him.\n3. Napoleon? Great at using the battalion size infantry regiments and was great at fighting his enemies at the right time and right place.\n4. Grant? Was willing to take casualties and push forward at all times.\n5. ???????"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing White"}, {"id": 3, "content": "it's a bit more complex but if you're just making a listicle this is fine"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where does culture come from?\nDo any other animals have culture?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "orcas have different dialects and languages"}, {"id": 3, "content": "based grandpa checking out the honey"}, {"id": 4, "content": "how did they build that with horse and buggy?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "values and ethnicity\nwhile you can give a different race a new values it will never be the same"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngenetic, environment, and religious values\n\nGreat examples of how genetic diversity admixture in bottleneck isolated ancestors can affect aesthetic, cultural traits, and civilization builds.\n\nJewish people is very diversity. But Jew group that won the most Nobel Prizes are Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenaz Jew is also Whitest Jewish group and has more East Asian gene admixture than other Jewish races except Kuchin Jew people has most East Asian component and Southern Eurasian DNA .\n- Ashkenazi Jew also founded Hasidism and Hasidic Jews are very minimalist because Ashkenazi Hasidic Jews wear only black and white . Other Jewish groups are more colorful .\n- Nordic Scandinavian Norse and Japanese and Ashkenazi Hasidic Jews are the most minimalist races. Three minimalism races are Scandinavian Nordic, Japanese and Ashkenazi Jews of Hasidic .\n\nBlue = White gene\nYellow = East Asian gene\nAshkenazi is both Whitest and most East Asian. DOI: 10.1038/srep08377 .\nMost Minimalist Aesthetic ( Ashkenazi Hasidic Jew )"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThousands of underpaid and drink migrants from Ireland and Italy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Without any knowledge of what’s outside of Europe and it’s periphery (North Africa, Middle East etc)\n\nWhere in Europe do you think the ideal place is to start and create a continent spanning empire?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nprobably france"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItaly (central med position) Pannonia or northern Germany."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrance is good, good farmland and the general flat terrain leads to large central empires like the Harappans or Chinese."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nItaly. The Alps protect from continentals and prime middle man in the med"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModern or Ancient tech?\n\nIf Ancient, History has proven how absurdly good of a location Byzantium is."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Ancient, History has proven how absurdly good of a location Byzantium is.\n>no decent state until constantine founds constaninople and rome moves there\n>byzantine empire is mediocre\n>ottomans are dogshit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nByzantium was pretty wealthy, it provided ships to Thebes and was home to the scientist Philo of Byzantium and to famous painters"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nanatolia, with Constantinople as the capital\ngood luck sieging me\n\nsecond choice is france with ideal french borders\n-pyrenees\n-alps\n-rhine"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLatium. Alongside the Tiber river is a good spot for a capitol."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's the copout answer, but actually indeed Rome or nearby regions like Tuscany or Naples. I say this because present-day Italy is the best starting out region, but in antiquity the other regions had some drawbacks: the best other places would be around Bari and the calf of the boot, but these regions had less agricultural productivity than Latium. The Po valley was half a swampland, so also not extremely productive.\nThe best other Italian place would be Syracuse, which of course did become a regional power, and could have easily become a major European power."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUKRAINA"}, {"id": 13, "content": "I would say somewhere that has\n\n>near the sea\n>mild climate and much arable land\n>not too mountainous\n>but with some natural boundaries to protect it early on\n>but not to boxed in so it easily expand further later\n\nSo my first choice would be Southern France between the seas.\nThen maybe the Lowe Danube region in Romania and Bulgaria"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Just looking at the map, I'd say Spain.\n\n>Shielded from the rest of Europe by a mountain range\n>Easy access to Africa via Gibraltar\n>Controlling the straight of Gibraltar means control over anything leaving or entering the Mediterranean.\n\nIt seems that you could in theory sweep out from Spain into Europe and northern Africa with relative ease while holding a strong, strategic position of your own."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnce you reach medieval levels of technology, the Frankish core of France, the Low Countries, and Germany makes the best base of any continental empire.\n\nYou're centrally located, letting you open fronts to Iberia, Italy, Britain, Scandinavia, and the Eastern European plain.\n\nYou also have a massive population. All those large cities and abundant farmland will let you raise larger armies and pay them with a larger tax base. At one point, France alone had close to half of Europe's population.\n\nIf only the Carolingians didn't have completely retarded inheritance laws that split the realm every generation."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m a fan of river valleys and islands."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Pontic Steppe if you're a steppenigger, otherwise the Mediterranean."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did they not have camouflage as the default uniform until WWI? They had the ability to mass manufacture uniforms, and they must have known that not being seen is a good way to not be shot."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Same reason why they fought in lines? the generals being able to view their soldiers positions, differentiate between different units as well as between friendlies and enemy, and, of course, style, were all much more important than camouflaging in those days especially since powdered smoke meant colorful clothing was extra necessary for visibility."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No Person who loves Jesus should want to have any relation with Rome at all. Rome is the opposite of a holy city and the Catholic Church was corrupted in its inception.\n\nThis Sinful, Corrupt, Empire based in a city that had a population of 30% slaves and essentially survived of the endless plundering of anything of\nvalue (Culture,Religion,Wealth, Slaves, Land) from everybody around them to satisfy the wills of a few assholes that include some of the most hedonistic and sadistic fucks to ever grace history.\n\nAnd they took the Center Figure of Christianity, the literal Son and embodiment of the one Eternal God, who even when seen as only a human was just a blessed, wise peaceful person with ideas thousands of years ahead of his time, and they Killed him in the most painful, humiliating and intentionally disgraceful way imaginable, surrounded by other moaning dying people considered worthless by Rome.\n\nAnd then they pull off one more last major cultural heist in a bid to hold on to some power in their stagnating empire by jumping on board the fastest growing religion, Christianity, and essentially institutionalizing and making it just another way for them to exert power over people.\nAll with the Bullshit Story that the Emperor Saw a Cross before he went into some bullshit political battle to slaughter thousands and when he won he realized he like Jesus, even though he was doing literally the exact opposite thing of what Jesus preached about.\n\nThe Modern Catholic Church are essentially just Rome fetishist that created followed Romes traditions of using Jesus as a tool to Exert power over people and create a large scale political system. Basing themselves in the city that literally killed Jesus, and much like the roman empire, being filled with some of the most hedonistic and sadistic fucks to ever grace History.\n\nAnd something about them twisting the cross into the ultimate christian symbol, it's just very twisted."}, {"id": 2, "content": "based and pastor jimpilled"}, {"id": 3, "content": "bombastic, oversimplified, conspiratorial, wrong"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nand you made a meaningless response that was equally bombastic and gets across nothing but the fact your offended"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI would respond to you but I notice you used the wrong \"your\". Tough break pal."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nDirk's always been a clown and a coward, but he's a tripfag so what do you expect. It's best not to feed tripfags, they're all fucking retards."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Rome took that role from another empire, and had to maintain their empire less they be enslaved and pillaged instead."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, read On the Genealogy of Morality, first essay, aphorism 16"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExactly\n\nRome was a bunch of racist, sexist, classist, ableist, patriarchal, enslaving shitlords. Thank GOD they were destroyed and will be further destroyed in the future Christbros"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThat mindset is literally the opposite of Christian, Committing acts of violence and cruelty out of Fear of that same violence you're perpetuating into the world. And in the end they still got pillaged countless times and the average roman citizen was far from safe from death and violence both from external enemies and internal conflict, and then it fell apart"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeast retarded protestant"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can agree with everything till \"what they did to the sign of the cross.\"\nThe Bible says the preaching of the sign of the cross is to the Jew a stumbling block and to the gentile a sign.\nSo it's more like they turned it into an item in video games that kills vampires which is ironically like them.\nWith that said, Roman Catholicism is somewhat in existence in the same way as the Jews were blinded.\n>Romans 11\n>30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:\n>31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.\n>32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.\nThe Jews are unbelieving because if one of them were believing then God would have to kill everyone else like with Noah. In a sort of sick way they had to crucify Jesus, but it isn't excused, because if we accept this as an excuse to do evil, then we must allow Jews and Gentiles to exist again and to throw away God's Son. But if we cast out their excuse, then only God's Son is righteous and he died for all that all may have life including the Jews, but they have to convert and be saved (stop being Jew)."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>wrong\nHow?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nthat's actually fair, and i'm realizing the cross was definitely before what i'm talking about.\n\nHonestly what sparked this was watching something explaining the mass use, painful process and symbol of crucifixion in Rome, and it really just was hitting me how soulless they were to not only do that to christ but to so many, but i also agree in the sense that how it relates back to christ and the reclaiming of it as an almost super simple but super strong representation of christ is very powerful as well."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe biggiest thing is conflating pagan Rome with the roman church"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWhat’s wrong with that if the Christianity is idolatrous?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "I'll just read Augustine's City of God thanks"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nMm, yeah, it's a torture execution device meant to cause pain and suffering and if a guy is trying to die then he doesn't wanna die on that because it takes a while to die.\nSince the Bible contains verses about the whore of babylon mystery religion and even gives ROLES like what they are going to do in relation with Satan, this is more than enough evidence that even Roman Catholicism takes itself seriously because they likely know they playing part in that role. Like the Jews who crucified Jesus and maybe got saved. Since the Bible doesn't say they didn't. So we can conclude some of them did."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nIntellectual dishonesty"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhat does idolatrous mean to you if not paganism?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLaze5mD7d0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome is an ancient centre of Christianity and an important one at that. It may have experienced a gradual falling from grace, but it doesn’t change the basic fact."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">Rome is the opposite of Christian\nAgreed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "alright, /his/\nredpill me on picrel\nwhat are some not well known facts about him and his life?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImma be real honest i think homosexuality is immoral but what happened to him is just cruel"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe movie about him is about 90% made up"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nQRD? I've heard of this guy but I never spent more than a few seconds reading into it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you aren't being as gay as possible on the internet then he died for nothing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThey gave him a pill that made his balls fall off so he couldn't orgasm ever again"}, {"id": 7, "content": "He was a paederast (i.e., a faggot and paedophile at the same time)."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Nixon made Amtrak\nIt still is fucking weird to me"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmtrak would’ve been so much more successful if we waited till the 90s after we invented autistic people so we could hand it to them instead."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNixon was the closest thing America would ever get to a True Socialist."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSubtle /n/igger thread, ignore"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was America so obsessed with the vietnam war. It wasnt even that bad. But the reaction that occured caused americans to buckbroke themselves"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStudy history of US banks and media corporations."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>of US banks\nor rather, the US banking history"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarxist agitation. The Vietnam War was fought at the same time the Counter-Culture movement was sweeping the West."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI dont think I've seen a country subvert themselves to such an absurd degree except the 90s soviet union"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>stop sending retards to die in a war you aren't willing to take to the enemy up North, also our economy is suffering stagflation\n>NOOOOO YOURE A MAAAAAAARXIIIIIIIST\ndo chickenhawks really"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">compiled by various anonymous authors\n>originally written in Koine Greek\n>translated into various languages across centuries\n>the source of constant bickering over interpretation\nHow do we know it actually says what we believe it says and not just a big ass game of telephone?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>originally written in Koine Greek\nlmao, you're such a joke, just stop posting bro"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://youtu.be/kQ34u1igiV0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>you're wrong because uhhhhhhh\n>lol u just are bro\nCompelling stuff.\n>>3\nThanks for actually providing some material. I'll watch it now."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>big ass game of telephone?\nThats exactly what it is. The earliest full manuscripts we have are from 300 CE. Earlier are small scraps with a few sentences. KJV-Onlyists worship a manuscript that is 400 years after the originals are written and the differences are major.\n\nhttps://textusreceptusbibles.com/Differences_Between_Textus_Receptus_and_NaUbs"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause we can compare it to other translations and see if the meaning has remained."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Compelling stuff.\nWhen was each book of the Bible written?\nWhen was the Greek language formed?\nYou failed to ask yourself very basic questions in your \"research\" and you clearly never studied anything into translation. You want me to put effort into a lazy fedora tipper's thread? It's not like you clowns ever stop spamming this board no matter what people reply with. You can pretend to be calm and rational, but it never lasts. Not like you really put any effort into this or even your own thoughts on the matter."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIt's quite long but just watch the intro at least, maybe at 2x"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>blah blah blah muh fedoras\nNot an atheist.\nNobody cares about your culture war trannoid business and the educated Christians on this board see right through you."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>the educated Christians on this board see right through you\ni have never seen a Christian win an argument here once, even when it comes to their own religion."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou must get filtering me"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nmust be"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe shit you described are the instances of telephone that are documented and constantly being debated, studied, commentated etc today. As for what the original manuscript of Genesis looked like, or Judges, or Samuel, is anyone's guess, obviously. There is clearly some evidence of redaction for example: counting items in a list within the bible is hilariously inaccurate (this looks like: \"And those were the 37 warriors under his command\" [the list really contained 32]) and names that end with the Hebrew suffix \"Baal\" are censored with the suffix for \"shame\"."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow can you be certain an invisible demon isn't casting a veil of falsehood and confusion over the words you're reading right now to make it appear like I'm saying something else and befuddle you? Either you'll have to be a logical positivist that denies the verifiability of extra-conscious reality or at some point you're going to have to put your foot down and say that other people actually do exist and mean what they say."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who CIA's the CIA?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ATF. Jokes aside the Paki ISI ran circles around the CIA for decades. Other than that the CIA has a good track recoed against thirdies and starting color revolutions"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMossad, obviously"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nscientology"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHoplite CEO retweeted Europa: TLB"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why didnt they take back Kissinger's nobel peace prize. That ceasefire was a scam and hardly worthy."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo refunds. Lay off the antisemitism, it’s unbecoming"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Nobel Prizes aren't revocable, and it's far from the only Peace Prize that'd probably be taken back with the benefit of hindsight.\nAbiy Ahmed (2019) looks awful in retrospect, given the recent Ethiopian Civil War and Eritrea's role therein; the agreement he won it for seems to have mostly been about covering his flank so he could crush the Tigrayans."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The army of Ariovistus was no larger than that of Caesar. The number of Germans established in Franche-Comté was 120,000 men; but what a difference there must have been between armies formed as militias, consisting of all the men of a nation capable of bearing arms, and a Roman army composed of line troops who were professional soldiers and mostly unmarried. The Helvetians and the Suebi were without doubt brave: but what can bravery achieve against an army disciplined and organized like the Roman army? Thus there is nothing extraor-dinary about the successes achieved by Caesar during this campaign.\n>Both of the two incursions which Caesar undertook during this campaign (against the Belgians) were premature and unsuccessful. His conduct towards the peoples of Berg and Zutphen was contrary to the law of nations. In his memoirs, he seeks in vain to tone down the injustice of his conduct, and Cato condemned him for it. The victory over the peoples of Zutphen was in any case inglorious; when they crossed the Rhine, numbering about 450,000, this would have given them no more than 80,000 combatants, too few to hold their own against eight legions supported by auxiliaries and by Gaulish troops who had so much interest in the defence of their territory."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">For Zeu- ACKKK!\nWhy didn't pagan gods look out for him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPagan gods are not your personal saviors, you live and die by your own means, and the gods don't owe you any help or assistance."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably because Romans din't worship Zeus by the point in your picture.\n\nAlso what >>2 says. There's a reason why Greco-Romans thought the gods were fickle. You honored them for being the powers of the universe that they are, but its up to you to make something of your life."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nSo they're just stone statues then? No better than comic book superheroes"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nPagan gods had lower discipline and impulse control than monks. A shame that supposed gods are slaves to material desires more so than lowly humans"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>4\nWhy were the gods ok with getting pwned by Yahweh?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nProbably because none of them are real and the semitics managed to subvert a major empire"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPagan gods are like the wind. You can position the sails on your boat to align yourself with the wind and it will seem like it's blessing you and sometimes the wind will dash you against the rocks and it will seem like it's cursing you, but it's not directly doing anything to you, it's just doing what wind does."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nNo, it just appears that not everyone in history had a turbo pozzed Americanized Disney worldview"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nBecause Yahweh would get pwned by proddies and trannies, and that's even more embarrasing"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nSo pagan gods wanted so much for Christianity to overtake them and prosper they had their last simp go unarmored into battle"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYes, because Christianity is right now dying the world's most embarrasing death, so it was totally worth it"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>>10\nYou're 16"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJulian was an interesting figure.\nThe guy can arguably be described to be the first Neopagan. I believe it, after all had hed succeeded paganism would have ended up looking at least a little like Christianity and Judaism."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nHave you read any of the ancient philosophers? Gods are in need of nothing and desire nothing. Did you read my post?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nYour empire, worldview and religion are dying"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did Yahweh fail to protect his followers from iron chariots?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nIt's doing fine tho"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>>a once respectable religion is fast becoming a third-world phenomenon.\nThat's not \"doing fine\"."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nNot even a Christfag\nRent free"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAhura Mazda was more powerful"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nOnly humans can be christian, nogs are mentally incapable of anything more complicated than worshipping physical objects and animals. Can you imagine some jet black 65 iq illiterate aids ridden ape comprehending scripture or building upon the works of Aquinas or Martin Luther? It's comical. There is literally no such thing as a black Christian, and I'm not exaggerating."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nYou are not a Christian"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nWhy did ahura mazda let himself be defeated by Allah?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>7\n>>25\nGods don't get \"pwned\" by people not worshiping them. They are immortal. We need them, they don't need us. We stopped honoring and sacrificing to them, so they stop benefiting us by their favor."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nVery easily they can be forgotten, at least.\nBut I get what you are talking about. You can see some of this in ancient greek sources like Xenophon."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nWrong. Yahweh triumphed over all the gods of Rome just like He triumphed over all the gods of Egypt"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Rehabilitated the Russian Tsars - \"They had done much that bad but they did one good thing - they put together an enormous state\" (Stalin)\n>rehabilitated the Orthodox Church\n>banned abortion and Homosexuality because he wanted more Russian babies (it worked)\n>remove the policy of korenizastiia (indigenisation) which was just affirmative action for the non-Russian states\n>Made Russian compulsory in all Schools and organs of State\n>Celebrated Russian historical figures like the Order of Alexander Nevsky and other medals adorned with Tsarist Military generals including, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Ushakov, Nakhimov\n>Abolished ethnic units and disallowed non-Russians from command after ww2\n>Although anti an ardent opponent of anti-semitism in the 1920s he proceeded to call jews \"Rootless cosmopolitans\" Killed all the prominent jewish Bolsheviks (Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev) and persecuted Jews\n>\"Stalin gave primacy to the 'Great Russians' and he favoured Russification in non-Russian republics\" (Orlando Figes)\n>\"I propose a toast to the Health of the Great Russian people because it was them who won this war and them whom gained universal recognition as the leading force of the Soviet union among all peoples of this country\" (Stalin 24 May 1945 speech)\n>\"Stalin realised that Nationalism and patriotic pride was a more solid base of popular belief than Marxist ideology\" (Richard Pipes)\nHow does leftypol cope with the fact that the most famous Marxist - Leninist to ever live would be considered a Right wing neo nazi today?? He is literally more socially conservative than Putin"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe won, Hitler lost, and you’re probably a gay liberal or a revisionist"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I think it says a lot that the most famous leader of Russia is a churka"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Abolished ethnic units and disallowed non-Russians from command after ww2\nRokossowski occupied high positions of command in the USSR well after WW2"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n?? op just makes stalin sound cooler than he was"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe didn't persecute jews you retard. He persecuted trotskyists and by some (((coincidence))) they all happened to be jewish\nStalin loved kikes and sacrificed millions of Russians to free their lazy asses from the camps\nHe also criminalized antisemitism, married a jewess and helped establish Israel"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The ancient ideal itself appeared bodily and with unheard-of splendour before the eye and conscience of mankind, and once again, stronger, simpler and more penetrating than ever, in answer to the old, mendacious ressentiment slogan of priority for the majority, of man’s will to baseness, abasement, levelling, decline and decay, there rang out the terrible and enchanting counter-slogan: priority for the few! Like a last signpost to the other path, Napoleon appeared as a man more unique and late-born for his times than ever a man had been before, and in him, the problem of the noble ideal itself was made flesh – just think what a problem that is: Napoleon, this synthesis of Unmensch (brute) and Übermensch (overman) . . ."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis was in essay 1 of the genology of morals I believe."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Peak Japan\n\nImagine how powerful they’d be if they just stopped here and industrialised. Then became the western allies bulwark against communism in the east"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did anyway. The only difference is the West lost North Korea."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did exactly that. But they autistically did not include Koreans in the governing process and wanted more."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Imagine how powerful they’d be if they just stopped here and industrialised.\nthey already industrialized and didn't want to stop expanding, since they considered themselves the \"have-nots\" compared to Britain France USA and USSR who had massive territories\n>Then became the western allies bulwark against communism in the east\nlol Americans helped bankroll the bolsheviks in the first place. as long as Japan was powerful, independent and capable of expansion America would regard it as the premier threat not the Soviet Union. War Plan Orange and all that. Americans were planning for war from day 1"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIn tge ultimatum sent by the USA in ww2 to lift the oil embargo, it was implied that Japan could also keep all of Manchuria as well.\n\nSo yeah, imagine Japan that big, and if Hitler had stopped at Sudetenland, maybe gain Danzig by relentless diplomacy and both these axis just consolidate their race and nations. Would have been a comfy world today. Everyone would envy them.\n\nUnfortunately nazis had to sperg out and ruin everything."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>it was implied that Japan could also keep all of Manchuria as well.\nif that could have prevented the war America would have made it explicity clear instead of implying. There are no accidents in diplomacy. USA used deliberately vague language because they obviously wanted Japan out of Manchuria but wanted to maybe fool them into thinking they would be allowed to keep it, which the Japanese obviously weren't stupid enough to fall for."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Why not invade Korea again and see what happens?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n\nYou know Japanese can read right? Diplomacy, politics and law, is all about choosing your words carefully, stay out of the corner, and follow interpretation.\nThe Japanese diplomats would have immediately picked it up. They're not stupid."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nyes that's what I said\nthe japanese read, and decided not to assume anything. so if america \"implied\" they could keep manchuria, it doesn't matter, the japanese weren't going to accept a deal where something so important was only \"implied\" instead of, you know, guaranteed"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\nIf nothing is fully stated and intentionally left out, then your are completely legal to act on it. So why wouldn't the Japanese act on it when it's within their legal rights?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapan should have all of Karafuto!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>The Japanese diplomats would have immediately picked it up. They're not stupid.\n\nIn fact this is why they ended up going to war.\n\n>If nothing is fully stated and intentionally left out, then your are completely legal to act on it. So why wouldn't the Japanese act on it when it's within their legal rights\n\nNot really how international law works. Japan is in a weak position, they couldn't do shit if the USA decided take-backsies."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were the Nazis neopagans"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome of them were. Many were at least critical of Christianity."}, {"id": 3, "content": "No"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTo be fair, Rosenberg was far and away the most anti-Christian of the bunch."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> Nazis\n> (((Rosenberg)))\nHow did that happen?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nretard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How much truth is there in Jewish blood libel tropes? It's so ubiquitous across so many different cultures that I find it hard to believe that it's purely myth"}, {"id": 2, "content": "i'm interested in this too"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>so many different cultures\nAll interrelated cultures that inhabited the same mythological world. They also all believed in witches, that there were people who met the devil and made a deal to be his servant in exchange for magical powers. They believed that the Jews really knew that Christ is lord and rejected him anyway. that they knew the communion wafers were the true body of Christ and that's why they stole them from churches and stabbed them just so they could torture Jesus again. that on the holyday of Passover they laid out three loaves of matzah and broke one of them in two because it represents Jesus and they wanted to break him again every year, etc... In other words, they misunderstood non-Christians and saw them as comic book villains."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It's so ubiquitous across so many different cultures\nHe says talking about a hysteria only in Medieval Europe and we know was a rumor that spread from one particular case, Simon of Trent."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nPilpul"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nblood libel myths exist in the muslim too, yid"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>scholasticism"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCircumcision.\n\nGoyim hear Jewish infants screaming in their households more after being born and assume the worst in their neighbors they know little about when really the babes are just being circumcised"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nall true btw"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>>5\nSamefag"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\npilpul doesn't mean successfully arguing against you"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Orthodox Judaism Rabbis are essentially the same as Wizards/Witches in European mythology and when they pray they are essentially casting spells by praying to either Yahweh or Satan (yes, they pray to Satan). They pray to one or the other based on what they want. They don't study the Old Testament, they study the Talmud. There's a ton of mysticism and superstition and supernatural beliefs involved in the religion (this makes sense considering it's an early iron age religion contemporaneous with classical paganism and cults which practiced human sacrifice).\n\nAs late as the 16th century you have rabbis claiming to have summoned Golems and stuff like that. With how many recorded cases there are of it across all of Europe and much of the Muslim world I wouldn't be surprised if one of the superstitions the Jewish community held was about gentile children's blood having special properties and some rogue Rabbis taking it upon themselves to go collect it (In the Talmud it's perfectly moral/acceptable to kill goyim)."}, {"id": 14, "content": "Probably some, see Ariel Toaff"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell think about it: there are some weird perverted murderers in every ethnic and religious group, and everyone accepts that it is so. But when it's a Jew who stands accused, every Jew immediately says without even investigating the matter that he is non-guilty and the dumb Goyim just made up the crime because they're evil and uneducated and hate Jews for no reason. Does this seem reasonable to you, that Jews are the one unique race that simply never produces any individuals who are weird psychopathic murderers?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>In the Talmud it's perfectly moral/acceptable to kill goyim).\ncurrent jews say this is false. can you detail how it's fine to kill the gentiles"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n\"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile.\"\nSepher ikkarim III c 25\n\n\"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.\"\nCoschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5\n\n\"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.\"\nTalmud, Abodah Zara, 4b\n\n\"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.\"\nTalmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772"}, {"id": 18, "content": "We did this a month ago and you were humiliated that time as well."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Anyone have the table that shows dates and reasons for every exile? Gonna do some original research"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did they kill him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nare you a teenager? why are you posting this braindead retard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "eugenics is bas-"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">laying down lame\n>attacking the other chicks\n>even starts going for the egg\nwhat were they supposed to do just continue to support an element of their unit that was actively attacking the rest of them?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThat's not what happen, the mother stork bit it and it just bit back out of instinct. What's happening here is the mother is disposing of the runt of the litter instead of wasting resources on it. Apparently this sort of behavior is very common with storks."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSo they're flight supremacists?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nKek"}, {"id": 6, "content": "abortion is ba-"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nmother stork bit it first, chick probably has no idea wtf is going on and is just flailing to defend"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that considered a late-term abortion?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nHoly kek"}, {"id": 10, "content": "ugh 4chan lurkers"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Don’t storks carry babies?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYeah to their deaths"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>human does abortion\n>\"her body her right!!!\"\n\n>stork does abortion\n>\"why is nature so heckin cruel ;_;\""}, {"id": 14, "content": "First one to talk gets to stay on my nest"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI know OP...\n\nINSTEAD EUGENICS IS \"FUCKING\" BASED, HOLY SHIT"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased. OP confirmed for never having played a strategy game with family trees. I ruthlessly kill off any children and brothers with inferior traits so competent characters can succeed. I also kill off competent characters in cadet branches so they don't threaten the leader and his heir.\n\nIf I was a peasant in pre-modern times I'd make many kids and leave the weak, short, stupid ones to the wolves."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nThat is a live chick right there, anon."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNatural conclusion of thinking humans have no difference between other animals.\nWhy is everyone surprised? This is your mindset.\n>>13\nbased"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\n>perhaps he is wondering why would someone grab the chick by the neck instead of kicking it out of the nest"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nHuman fetus are alive, science denier"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>>17\nyes, fetus is alive\nyes, chick is alive\nno, killing it's not wrong to kill either if it's a runt\n\nthe whole abortion debate is retarded because both sides are idiots who are missing the obvious."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>no, killing it's not wrong to kill either if it's a runt\n\n* no, it's not wrong to kill either if it's a runt\n>>18\n>humans have no difference between other animals.\n100% true. There is nothing wrong with killing the stork runt and there is also nothing wrong with killing a baby with downs.\n\nI bet you think your argument is some sort of epic own."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's wrong with encouraging the most intelligent to have more children and the less intelligent to have fewer?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>Natural conclusion of thinking humans have no difference between other animals.\n>Why is everyone surprised? This is your mindset."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>2\nThis is not what happened.\n\nThe mother bit him 1 time to make him stand up, then a 2nd time, he bit his bro out of instinct and the mother mistook this action as a sign of agression and decided to get rid of him."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>17\n>valuing a fucking bird more than a human fetus"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGurkha soldiers are proof eugenics works."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>4\nAAAHHHHahahahahahahaha, CAW!!!"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>3\n>>7\n>>25\nThis. He’s clearly the victim of socio-economic factors."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are the biggest advocates of eugenics always the kind of people who would be sterilized or exterminated?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>22\n>>24\nthanks for agreeing with me, next time dont get scaredy and be a hypocrite like OP is"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\nWell at least you can squawk. Who are you?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nHistorically most of the advocates of eugenics have been upper class millionaires and professors at the forefront of their field like\nTheodore Roosevelt, Alexander Graham Bell, John D. Rockefeller, Jr and Ronald Fisher , who was basically the number one statistician and the number one biologist/geneticist of his lifetime.\n\nRonald Fisher had 6 sons and 2 daughters."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>16\nKek. Played a game or crusader kings 2 last night and murdered my grandson for having bad genes/to prevent him from inheriting."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nCause I don’t want others to have to go through what me and my relatives go through."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>6 sons and 2 daughters\nWith some fucking barmaid of a woman, I bet. Intelligent women have abysmal fertility."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nEnglish people, and western europeans in general, practice a high degree of assortative mating , so the fact that Fisher was so intelligent means he probably chose an intelligent wife too.\nHis wife was the daughter of a doctor and she was the grand-daughter of a famous preacher , orator and author who lead a religious movement and trained hundreds of preasts (high status and good at hierarchy climbing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Grattan_Guinness"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>assortative mating\nHave you ever seen the r coefficients for the studies on IQ between partners? They're not high. Either way, you'll suffer regression to the mean."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nGregory Clark found that in England between 1600-1900 assortative mating was 0.6-0.8 iirc\nhttps://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/ClarkGlasgow2021.pdf"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>30\nLikely because they don't want others to suffer as they do, subconsciously if not a deeply thought out belief."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat ain't what most eugenicists mean hoss."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nYup. My family has too many mentally Ill addicts for this shit to be a coincidence, and I see no need to create more mentally ill addicts."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThats such a waste, a cat would have eaten it to make more milk for the rest"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>a cat would have eaten it to make more milk for the rest\nAssuming a tomcat wouldn't get to it first the second it dropped."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\ndog paws typed this post"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>History & Humanities\n>contemporary bird"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>26\nDepends on the race."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>30\nEvery educated person took it for granted 50 years ago. Do you see many low IQ criminals on welfare talking about eugenics?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIts facsinating that it was actualy considered 'progressive' before ww2, like all the hairpainted leftie wokeshit types of the day would of been all for it"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nIt does not even show a human"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>50\nTry 90. The eugenics movement looked a lot less appealing when the world learned about Aktion T4, the Holocaust, and human experimentation."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>26\n>A\n>FUCKING\n>BIRD"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Our opinion, /his/ters?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "just nuke the usa"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfor me, it's anti-racist white supremacist richard nixon"}, {"id": 4, "content": "link"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nAnd Lincoln too. Wtf is this list? Why is it placing them in multiple tiers at once?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nthe surveys were done both before and after they had to live around minorities"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this based on policy or personally held beliefs?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Who cares"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nOkay I looked up the article. Here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States\n\nApparently \"White supremacist\" in particular refers to personally held beliefs, while the other 4 categories refer to policy.\nAKA the first column is a bunch of bullshit that should be disregarded."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nfpbp\nVerification not required."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndonald trump never said anything about hhhhwite people. and lincoln may have said some racist shit early on but he was converted to the church of negrophilia by his death, i see this lister embraces the \"once a bigot, always a bigot\" principle."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "racial genetic achievements:\n>Spain and portugal:\nracial origin: Al-aldalus + reconquista.\ntemporal origin:Late middle ages\nracial composition: North african + north iberian\ngenetic Scientific or technological achievements of their racial solution: mexico, brazil.\n\n\n>Greeks\nracial origin: Byzantine anatolian migrants, Slavic migrants, levantine sailors, ancient greeks.\ntemporal origin: middle ages\nracial composition: Northeast european, levantine, armenian, anatolian and Hellenic\nGenetic scientific or technological achievements of their racial solution: Not found yet\n\n\n>British islands\nRacial origin: Angles, Normans, Saxons, Picts and various british islander celts.\nTemporal origin: Middle ages-Late antiquity\nRacial composition: Northwestern european\nGenetic Scientific or technological achievements: Newton Gravity principles, James watt steam engine, industrial machinery, Faraday Electromagnetic induction, Maxwell equations, Boolean algebra, Hypodermic syringues, Inoculation, Fridges, Thomas savery water pump. Napier logarthims, Newcomen steam engine, Forsyth percussion ignition, Davy and Bowma incandescent lightbulbs, Sturgeon electromagnet, Alexander Wood Hypodermic syringue, Reaction steam turbine, United states of America, Wright Planes, trains, cars, etc.\n\nContinue this list"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">German\nRacial origin: Slavic, celtic and germanic tribes mingled in the late antiquity, potentially hunnic and sarmatian influences.\ntemporal origin: late antiquity-early middle ages\nRacial composition: Eastern, central and western european\nGenetic scientific or technological achievements of their racial solution: Diesel engine, kepler laws of planetary motion, copernicus heliocentrism propositions, siemens furnace process, Konrad Zuse Z3 first programable computer, Kepler conjecture, Wilhelm Schickard mechanical calculator, printing press, Gauss theorem, binary code, heisenberg uncertainty principle, functions, riemann integrals, hibert spaces, Bessel functions, gaussian elimination, Morphine, Guericke Electrostatic generators, guericke vacum pumps, Von klein leyden jars, gauss magnetometer, Kirchoff circuit laws and spectometer, Planck constant, Discovery of X rays. etc-\n\n>Southern italy\nRacial origin: Byzantine migrants, Anatolian imperial roman slaves, levantine imperial roman slaves, cartaghinians imperial roman slaves, germanic rapists, greek and hellenic colonists, celtic slaves, arabic caliphate african conquerors, subsaharan african slaves\ntemporal origins: late antiquity\nracial composition: Widely western european, levantine, north african, subsaharan african, Ancient southeastern european, anatolians\nGenetic scientific or technological achievements of their racial solution: Not found yet"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nYour divide and conquer has not gone unnoticed Shlomo, These are all the same, White, race."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nShitskin mudblood cope"}, {"id": 5, "content": "What a nice building"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThis post reeks of borscht."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Resented reject\nRacial origin: Information age+industrial revolution induced social pathologies+ negrification\nTemporal origin: 2000s at the earliest.\nRacial composition: Potatoe eater peasants+low level strivers+urban refuse+Generally dysgenic people. Northwest european, Slavic genotypes most common.\ngenetic Scientific or technological achievements of their racial solution: Inability to spell al-andalus, spiritist view on science both new and old, vicariously living through people who would (rightly) try to have them sterilized. Clinging to obtuse and often times fringe ideologies to buttress his fragile and overinflated sense of self-worth. Very few musical bangers. Technically adjacent to actually artistically (sharty) or scientifically (fringe theorists around the 'net)active communities but incapable of actually contributing anything beyond his own parochial egotrips."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAlso, I forgot.\n>Inability to read books, only obtains information through infographics on the internet."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nAddenda: I call the sharty artistically active not because it produces high art. But rather because it's a node of low-brow folk art in this age of civilizational cannibalism and uncharted chaos."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\n>>7\nMudblood cope"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nDysgenic cattle seething.\nReally, you can say this type of individual is the inversion of the person it pretends to be.\nWhere that person might have genuine interest and curiosity for the humanities or history, this thing only uses it to expand his ego.\nWhere that man might have genuine curiosity for other cuktures and this study, this thing only cares about them in so far it fortifies his worldview.\nIt's all about him for short.\nIn essence, this thing only cares about itself and its own tiny little horizons that are barely bigger than the village his great-grandparents lived in."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAs such, in its pure form, such a type of human can't really improve out of this state."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nI might add, this self-obsession is also linked to an obsession with purity (not bad in itself, but no obsession is ever truly good). Mostly because by believing value lies within his genes, the burden of actually doing anything is lifted from him because he already has value by just existing.\nObviously, anyone with sense can understand this is just cope.\nLike most human types (of varying quality) he's unaware other people don't have the same mental framework he does."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Faggotry only started happening when the Soviet Union began working with Satan to create the first degenerate bomb. The bomb was dropped stealthily across America in order to create faggots, those who did not trust God fully were raped by Satan and turned into the first faggots. God in turn to stop this satanic overtaking of America created AIDS to destroy the faggots at their core.\n>but muh Greeks\nHistorical vision by faggots and sodomites trying to pretend faggotry existed before the degenerate bombs were dropped across America.\nThe faggots will not stop until they out breed us or turn us all into Satan worshippers.\nSatan has always been trying to destroy America since its foundation, as a true bastion of Christianity, free of Satanic Papism. Until the Athiest Satanic Soviet Union had been created Satan did not have a stronghold on earth to create faggots. After their first nuclear bomb they created satanic pact to get degenerate bombs so the atheistic satanic soviets and the devil themselves could destroy their mortal enemy, America"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngays are the most powerful group of people on Earth, they're only like 1% of the population yet their very existence is enough to bring retards like you to their knees and apparently topple entire nations without needing to fire a single bullet or hell even conduct any kind of diplomacy, thats pretty fucking impressive."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Hundreds of recorded cases and thousands of suspected cases of the abduction and ritual murder of children by Jews in every place the Jewish community ever went\n>We're supposed to believe it never happened once\nPress X to doubt"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy have you made 2 of these threads?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI didn't, this is my only one.\n\nI assumed there wouldn't be another thread on this active, is there one?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "How come the alleged six million dead just 80 years ago left less evidence than the blood libel?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this accurate?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "80% of Bolsheviks were Russians."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWho cares about them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You're holding his (still smoking) gun and he and Eva Braun are lying dead in front of you.\n\nWhat do you do to survive?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>shoot myself\n>reincarnate\n\nez"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Yo where is Hitler dude ?\n>In Argentina dummy\n\n/thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShoot that mosad spy corpse for killing all those white europeans and creating israel"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how do you survive\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? I surrend to the Soviets right outside. I use my clearly American accent to make up some bullshit story about being a US assasin and have them peacefully release me back to the united States as a war hero"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would the world look today if the Cult of Sol hadn't been replaced by Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "it would be extremely bright"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Worse. Sol didn’t have the moxy to keep Rome intact for another thousand years."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How would the world look today\nGive me a kiss to build a dream on...\n\nIt would be a nuclear wasteland"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>intact\nImplying kiketianity did anything about that"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Better"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nMeanwhile that rump state single handedly protected Europe from absolute asiatic invasion. Why don’t you try ruling an empire for a few days and see how easy it is"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>kiketianity"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n? Arabs went the other way and no one was able or even tried stopping steppefags"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nMoron, do you not know about the Muslim conquest of Iberia, Sicily, and the \"invasion\" of France by Moorish armies (raiders really, but setting that aside)? Christian Rome did jackshit to stop those."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nHow could they have done anything to stop invasions on the other side of the continent, dumbass?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nNot falling there would have been a big help"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThe point, you dipshit, is that they weren't much of a shield to begin with."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would the middle east look like today if the mongols didn't steamroll through them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine believing so strongly that you believe in the one true god only to get trounced by some chink snow-nigger that follows an ooga-booga dance around a campfire religion."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA little less dry and ruinous probably.\n>>2\nReally I think catholicism of all things might be true because no religion that isn't supported by God goes through the pornocracy and exits the other side alive to then prosper and evangelize the better part of several continents."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>pornocracy\nwut"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>goes through a pornocracy\n>to end up as a pedocracy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir steppe cousins were already in charge for 300 years by then. Muslims less assblasted about the caliph is like the only change."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nBasically, it was a period in the 8th century when some bumfuck counts and their women (one of which was the concubine, mother, and grandmother of several popes) had a stranglehold on the papacy and passed the thing around like a cheap whore.\nMind you take into account that just before this period started the papacy had cycled through around 7 popes in a little over a decade and before that was the famous episode where a pope tried his predecessor's corpse making a deacon move his jaw to mimic speech whenever it had to \"respond\" to prosecution.\nIt's also called the rule of harlots of the seculum obscurum."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nNothing can go through the levels of comedic depravity the catholic church has and come back alive except through the grace of god."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>8th century\nFUCK I meant the 10th century.\nAnyway fun fact about the pornocracy, it was started by a person whom I suspect to be an actual roman aristocrat. But got carried on by the Frankish and Lombard dukes that married into the family."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are your thoughts on stoicism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">cope as ideology"}, {"id": 3, "content": "is ignoring your family so your wife fucks around on you and your son becomes a retard acting according to nature"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do right wing Americans support Israel so much (Israel America's greatest ally) then complain Jews control the west?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose are two different groups of people"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe anti-Semitic right-wingers are just useful idiots for the pro-Semitic ones to import scab labor and destroy labor laws so that they can prop up an unstable economic system (woke capitalism)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod gives them the chance to do the right thing. God said to feed and give water to your enemy to eat and drink."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically, why so?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have a Jain indian firend that looks identical to the spaniard lmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Meds bad b-because they're uh…TAN\nLmao the North is such a soulless, godless shithole. Ugly buildings, ugly culture, ugly people."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSomalis are also \"tan\"."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSomalis are literally black africans"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAnd meds brown nafricans"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nCommon sense and genetic testing say otherwise."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou will come across the brown poos in op vid rel and claim that common sense indicates those are not brown nafris lmao"}, {"id": 9, "content": "This is the original West Eurasian look. Northerners experienced a recent selection for lighter features. There's not much more to it.\nIf anything you people should ask why northerners evolved or selected for unique features. The majority of Caucasians look like these guys."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nyou're such a retard Giovanni. the people in that video don't even look like meds. the greek looks like a pajeet the italian like a spic and the spaniard like a persian. but you just tied the rope around your neck. what a clown. dumb fucking dago"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nWow so true. Original pypo wuz pajeets n shieet\nBig indian W!\nWe finally be free from the reservation"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nkys barbarian trash"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nfavela dwelling dago ghetto cheap factory worker trash cope"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nGo fuck your manfaced wife after she fucked a black man and before then fucked her dog, northcuck."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "No refutation."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Goven infinite time, and infinite combinations, I don’t see why the random parts couldn’t eventually become clock."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Clocks don't reproduce"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Theists believe that women can actually be built... for bbc."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a false equivalence argument.\nAll of existence in nothing like a watch - which is a man mad object.\n\n\nAlso, God can't be proven or disproven, which means Op and his faggot thread has wasted my god damn time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nGod can't be proven because it is so obvious that God exists. Knowledge of God is more primitive than proofs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Have you made your prayers to Yahweh-Mazda today?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did a river become a country?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe modern borders were drawn by colonists out of political convenience with more regard for geography rather than for the local populations or culture"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA British company happened to operate in that river.\nBut the surroundings of that river were colonized by the French as they expanded their domain in Senegal."}, {"id": 4, "content": "If a river can become a country, then perhaps a country can become a river…"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "None of these \"How could they win\" bullshit threads.\n\nIn this thread we're discussing the most influential and prominent myths of ww2 that are still perpetuated in public education and media.\n\n>Myth 1\n>Operation Barbarossa was delayed due to the Balkan campaign\nOperation Barbarossa was delayed as a result of weather and insufficient planning. The spring thaw in eastern Poland made it impossible to execute the invasion in May. The rivers were flooded, the ground was damp, and rasputia mud season was still ongoing.\nPlanning was not yet completed. Logistical allocation such as requisition of French trucks to forward divisions had not yet been completed.\n\n>Myth 2\n>Siberian divisions saved Moscow\nThe myth was raised by mostly the Germans to explain their sudden defeat at Moscow. In reality only roughly a dozen divisons were transfered from far east to the western front, and this begun almost immediately as the war began. Of these divisons only a few could have particiapted at Moscow. The USSR maintained a powerful conenctration of armies in the far east against the Japanese Kwantung army, and this force was never truly reduced.\n\n>Myth 3\n>Wehrmacht was homogeneous\nMostly known around 4chan but not the general population. The German army suffered from chronic manpower shortage and ranks had to be constantly filled by other nationals, especially non-combat duties. Of these ranks, the most recruited nationality were Russians. Over 2 million Russians serverd in the German army, it is estimated that during the battle for Stalingrad, over 20 percent of all German forces were Russians.\n\n>Myth 4\n>Halt before Dunkirk\nThis is likely the most controversial of all ww2 myths. Historians are still debating over why the panzer divisions decided to halt before Dunkirk, giving the British forces vital time to evacuate. What is known is that the divisons took their own initiative to halt, OKW then approved the halt, and the halt was signed by Hitler."}, {"id": 2, "content": "If America had not entered the war, could Britain have fought Germany itself, or would there have been a sue for peace?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Dunkirk one is easy. Hitler ordered the halt because he hoped to use them as a bargaining chip."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe surrounded British army I mean."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Of these divisons only a few could have particiapted at Moscow.\n[citation needed]\n>and this force was never truly reduced.\nActually it was, almost all divisions which stood on the border were replaced by conscripts"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>over 20 percent of all German forces were Russians.\nWhy would Russians fight to get genocided?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nif he actually wanted them to leave as a good will gesture then he wouldn't also try to prevent the escape with the luftwaffe constantly bombing them"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Myth 5\n>Declaring war on USA was a catastrophic mistake\nBy 1941, USA was committed to the war in Europe and broken a series of neutrality laws. US destroyers were escorting British convoys, US soldiers were stationed in British military bases to give Britain more forces for the frontline, and US aid was supplying the USSR with every category of war to defeat Germany. With both the British and the Soviets funded indefinitely, Germany were increasingly fighting a losing war. The declaration of war on the USA was regarded as merely formalizing the already existing situation, except now the German U-boats could better prevent allied shipping. By the time US soldiers were committed to the ground theater of continental Europe in 1943, the Axis were already in full retreat.\n\n\n>Myth 6\n>German nuclear program\nThe Manhattan project costed nearly 2 billion dollars and employed millions of people, the US was gathering the best scientists from across several nations and were in partnership with other nations to share intelligence.\nThe German nuclear program recieved a near insignificant amount of budget and there was a contineous brain-drain as people were drafted for the front. Many scientists were scared away by nazism. The entire project rested on the use of heavy water, which isnt a sustainable method to create atomic weapons, and the source of heavy water was lost during the war.\nThe German nuclear program never left the intitial drawing board stage.\nIn order to match the scope of the Manhattan project, Germany would have to scrap its entire war-effort to even remotely have a chance of producing a nuclear bomb, not least having one ready before USA."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYeah why they didn't just provide them with food and supplies so they don't have to leave at all? I wish they would have been all killed while there was chance."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nLet me rephrase it.\nHilter wanted the British army to be trapped in Dunkirk so that he could use their release as a bargaining chip.He would've hoped that they'd surrender but after they didn't, If I recal correctly, Göring assured him that the Luftwaffe would keep them pinned there."}, {"id": 11, "content": "What did Hitler think of orange or red haired, green eyed people/gingers? I thought about this about discussions of his blonde, blue eyed obsession of Aryanism. Wouldn’t he consider those traits to be totally aryan aswell?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">Myth 7\n>\"Poor little Britain\".\nBritain portrayed as the underdog in ww2 is a post-war propaganda perpetuated by the British themselves to hide catastrophic inter-war indecision, and to dramatize the war effort.\nThe British empire and her dominions were far more formidable than the Axis combined.\nIndia alone produced over 20.000 warships durng ww2. Canada alone produced 9.5 billion worth of material. In contrast, Bulgaria GDP was 0.5\nThe British colonies and dominions held the worlds largest sources of aluminium, nickel, rubber, sulphur, tin, oil, manganese, chrome, fertilizer, textiles, gold, asbestos etc all have their primary sources in South Africa, Malaya, Canada, Rhodesia etc.\nIn contrast, continental Europe is very resources meager and Germany had to import oil from Venezuela, copper from Chile, phosphate from USA, meat from Argentina etc. All of these imports became impossible with the blockade of the Royal Navy.\nBritain did not need domestic production and instead could ship assembled material from its overseas territories, while Germany had to obtain raw material and then produce and manufacture, while also dividing up workforce for the tasks, as well as growing its own food.\n\nDuring 1941 and 1942 Britain was outproducing Germany not just in aircrafts but also in tanks, making its smaller armies far more mechanized and motorized than their German counterpart."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">Myth 8\n>The desert fox\nA common myth that Germany wanted to capture the Suez Canal to isolate Britain from its colonies, and force a surrender.\nWhen Italy entered the war, all merchant ships went around Africa to Britain, as going through the strait of Siciliy was far too dangerous against the powerful Italian surface fleet and the airforce umbrella around the island and Libya.\nCapturing the Suez Canal was never an objective for German command, the orders of the Afrika Korps was to stabilize the frontline from any British offensives. The Afrika Korps was at its limit, no further divisions could be allocated as the port of Tripoli was underdeveloped and could only sustain 45.000 tons of cargo per month. No railway existed in Libya, and the roads were underdeveloped of mostly sand and dirt.\n\nThe Afrika korps was the most mechanized and motorized of all Axis forces and recieved priority in allocated supply trucks while the Russian forces were increasingly reliant on horses for supplies.\nBecuase of the North African infrastructure, trucks had to tail the axis advancing forces from Tripoli all the way to egypt on a single coastal dirt road. This consumed vast amount of petrol, caused constant breakdown due to dust, clogging, floods etc. The supply lines utlimately required their own supply lines, which in turn required their own supply line, in order to support the few Axis divisions pushing into Egypt. The single road also made British air attacks a result of losses."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the U.K. still has a fuckton of these.\n\n>Blitz spirit\nThis was largely manufactured by the government. Whilst in any population there is an amount of national bonding that occurs under bombardment, the 'stick it out' sprit was nowhere near as strong as portrayed. Talks about a deal with the Nazi's would dog Churchill and the war cabinet right the way up to December 1941.\n\n>Little boats at Dunkirk\nMost evacuations at Dunkirk were done by Royal Navy ships. The little boats mostly helped by moving troops from the beach into the larger Royal Navy vessels, but still the Navy would probably have got most out.\n\n>The Victory at Second Battle of El Alamein\n\nThis was actually a decent British victory, but Rommel would have had to pull out and back anyway considering the American landings in French West Africa.\n\nProbably the valid big one's are how close the Submarine campaign was to knocking Britain out of the war and how based Churchill was."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">Myth 9\n>The Uboats came close to knocking Britain out of the war"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">NOTHING YOU KNOW IS TRUE\n>THE PAST IS ALL MADE UP\n>TRUST THE SCIENCE"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nWhy not assault them and force their mass surrender? Did he think that the British would all fight to the death or something? The idea of halting out of pity/mercy/a bargaining chip is retarded."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think we should change the naming convention of World War II and call it instead the Great War from 1914 to 1989."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nShould we call the wars against France by German coalitions from 1494 to 1815 the 300 years war?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI don’t know enough about it to say yes or no. It seems to me that a war over religion is different from a war over liberal values(even if headed by a dictator)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">Myth 9\n>The Uboats came close to knocking Britain out of the war\n\nThe Royal Navy was the largest naval power in the world, Britain had the largest merchant fleet, and Britain also inherited other merchant fleets such as the huge Dutch and Norwegian fleet (the Norwegian merchant fleet was the 4th largest in the world).\n\nA naval engagement was a war of resource attrition, and Germany was already deprived of most of the worlds main sources, left only with what meager sources was available in continental Europe.\n\nBritain experiences only a modest decrease in imports, and never introduced any food rations of essential spam products. By 1943 imports were above pre-war levels.\n\nIn contrast, Germany was under an absolute blockade from the onset of war with no merchant shipping coming through. Munitions had to be manufactured domestically, placing a further strain on manpower, production time, and cost, and food rations of essential spam had to be introduced to avoid starvation.\n\nWorld War 2 naval technology, operational and tactical doctrines had been excpetionally concentrated on anti-submarine warfare after 1918.\nThe German navy only managed to inflict high losses against an unprepared Britain (and briefly an unprepared USA).\nThe German submarines were unable to effectively counter the technological advantages ASDIC, RADAR, MAD, Radio direct tracking, uses of Ultra etc.\nGerman Uboats were also unable to effectively counter the use of the convoy system, where submarines would often take very high losses upon engagement.\nIn 1944, u-boats only sank 141 merchant ships against losses of 249 subs\n\nBritain were eventually gained a major advantage by violating several neutrality laws: Occupying neutral Iceland and placing military bases in neutral Azores. British convoys were also protected by neutral US destroyers\n\nThe overhwelming majority of German resources during ww2 were dedicated to the air and sea battles of the west. Panzers were less than 10% of German munition output"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\nAnother retarded myth"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the stalingrad myths aren’t listed here because there’s no evidence for the battle of stalingrad in the first place"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\n>fight for the Germans: get fed but Stalin will hate you\n>don't fight for the Germans: don't get fed and Stalin will hate you anyway"}, {"id": 25, "content": "I know it's been said a million times but it has to be said somewhere in the thread. the holocaust narrative at face value is fucking absurd"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nRetarded, Serbia and Austria had almost nothing to do with the second round while they were essentially the central characters of the first war"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>guys who really didn't care for a particular ethnicity couldn't have killed a ton of them in ~2-3 years if they set their minds to it\nunironically why"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Over 2 million Russians\nRealistically it was 1.25M Soviet citizens, out of which roughly 700k were Russians (that is including all veliko/belo/malo-Russians) and the rest were central Asians, Baltoids and Volksdeutshe."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n\n>Visit /pol/\n>lol lmao National Socialist Germany would never try to kill the jews lmao why would they.\n>One day fellow anons we will kill every fucking kike we can find for their fucking crimes.\n\nThis is not even a meme, thats literally how they talk over there."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>17\nHitler thought he was being chivalrous.\nHe was retarded like that."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>20\nIt was a series of wars over a much more united set of circumstances than WW1, 2, and the cold war. The wars were attempts by France to establish itself as hegemon of Europe from failed expansions in Italy, to the consolidation of modern French borders, the collapse of Habsburg power, and the eventual fall of the Holy Roman Empire until collapsing demographics relegated France to playing second fiddle to a united Germany in continental European politics."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nHe also just lied a lot and if that made the situation see better he'd say it"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n\n1. Hitlers last will was a massive \"I dindu nuffin\" and shouldnt be trusted as truth. A man on his way to the gallows will tell you everything to preserve his legacy.. Hitlers legacy was to absolve himself of all crimes and all miliary blunders. Dunkirk was one of them.\nAfter the war, the generals did the same thing, \"that mistake was because of Hitler\".\n\n2. You dont allow a near million man army to retreat to oppose you the next day because you have a gentle heart. You dont. The enemy is just going to interpritate it as you simply failed to capture them and now you're trying to save face. Which is likely what hapened.\n\nHowever if thats your real intentions, then you CAPTURE them and then set them free. It shows you were indeed in control of the situation and that you indeed acted on good faith.\n\n3. The order to halt was no made by Hitler. The order to halt was made by German command. Hitler merely approved the order presented to him, and it had already been executed. Historians are generally in an agreement that the German divisions halted because they needed to consolidate their position.\n\n4. If the intentions were to let them escape, then why did Germany attempt to prevent their escape? The german airforce attempted to sink the ships in the channel. The German army made a dash for Dunkirk, which was one of the bloodies battles in France, broke through to the beaches ONE DAY after the last British soldier had escaped."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nWhy bomb them than"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\nHitler literally didn't think they'd be able to escape so why bother assaulting them."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n\nNo one expected them to escape, not even the British. Royal Navy expected they could evacuate maybe 1/10"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>6\nI don’t know, maybe it’s because le “genocide” was only real in a jew’s mind"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>26\n>Austria\nMajor contribution of divisions and manpower despite tiny size\n>Serbia\nMajor contribution in terms of tying down German resources"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>28\nYour post is very misleading, because you’re only counting combattants. Non-combatants (cooks, security guards, luctwaffe mechanics, truck drivers) involved up to 5 million Soviet subjects (this figure includes the Balts who made up a huge portion).\n\nAt Stalingrad, for example, there were two full divisions furnished of ethnix russians who were cut off inside the city with 6. armee."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>3\nThis is the most retarded theory ever"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historians are still debating over why the panzer divisions decided to halt before Dunkirk\nI think because the achieved the breakthrought and cutoff only by high doses of pervitin that kept them awake. There were pushed to their limits and another dose would kill them."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>14\n> Probably the valid big one's are how close the Submarine campaign was to knocking Britain out of the war\n\nIt was nowhere close. This paper goes into it at depth, and concludes it was mostly akin to the Allied strategic bombing campaigns in scope: damaging in the sense of forcing actions to guard against it and slowing the acceleration of the war economy, but nowhere close to being enough to knock out the target power in its own.\n\nhttps://jmss.org/article/view/57815"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\n\nVirtually any duty.\n\nIt then led to one of the major allied crimes: Operation Keelhaul"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\n>>7\n>>9\n>>10\n>>17\n>>30\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\n>>40\nI like that both the pro-axis AND allied sides cope at how Hitler was a retarded Anglophile and can't believe it"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nThe Allied bombing did have some slightly disastrous effects. The meagre production power of Hungary for example kept getting knocked out by it. There were several prototype machines they had under development that kept getting reset by the facotry getting blown up.\n\nSub warfare against the Allies was nowhere near knocking britain out, but it DID have very measurable and observable results on the battlefield. For example during the “second happy time”, lend lease transportation for slowed to such a significant extend that it led to the inability of the soviets to contain the Germans at rostov that summer. The effects were felt throughout the year iN The southeast of russia."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nThere were lots of little episodes involving russian volunteer soldiers that just get glossed over or given the silent treatment because it doesnt fit the narrative. During fighting at Carentan in Normandy, a couple Russian company-sized units held the town against overwhelming Allied manpower virtually alone and without Gemran reinforcements. It significantly delayed the Allied movement during those few days, and the russians comtinued to delay the allies well after they had actually run out of ammunition, using tricks and crafty tactics to Confuse the allies and lengthen the hours of the siege. Many fought to the death with their bare hands when their positions were finally stormed. These were die hards that would make any elite german unit sweat but we don’t hear anything about them in our media. In fact, during the popular and well known “band of brothers” TV series of the early 2000s, the battle over the town is monentarily depicted and all the local axis soldiers are shown as… germans."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nOh, I didn't mean to say that it had no effect. Both campaigns did have effects, and they were damaging both in direct effect and forcing the target power to take countermeasures against them. And if you read the paper in depth you'll see that Britian had to do several workarounds to deal with shipping shortages; the one that's most immediately occurring to me is that pre-war there was a thriving smelting business in the UK, using ore they shipped in from overseas. But it's a lot cheaper on your merchant marine to ship over smelted ingots than unsmelte ore, so the British eventually wound up liqudiating almost their entire home smelting industry, rebuilding it almost from scratch in Canada and outsourcing some of it to the UK, so that the heavier bulk cargo could be shipped in places less vulnerable to U-boat attack and only the finished product brought to the UK. It was hideously expensive, and never would have been contemplated if the U-boats weren't wreaking havoc.\n\nBut advanced industrial economies are hell of a lot more resilient than a lot of people seem to give them credit for. The U-boats were enough to hurt Britain, but not kill it."}, {"id": 48, "content": "Was Ireland actually pro-nazi?"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Germany making a separate peace with the Allies or the Soviets is a very hush hush topic."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>38\n>two instigators of the first war now a backwater province of Germany annexed without a shot fired and a failed state that only got invaded two years into the war\nIt's like having a Napoleonic War without France or the UK, it just can't be done"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nIt's pretty well known that Hitler's top guys were all cooking up separate peace plans that went nowhere because Hitler wasn't interested and the Allies weren't interested"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nIf anything you’re overstating their influence during WWI and understating their influence during WWII. Without Bohemia (major province of Austria in WWI), Germany could not have launched its early war offensives. This is because of the industrial importance of Bohemia and its factories which continued to produce tanks throughout theninterwar period, while much of the former Centeal Powers had become demilitarized.\n\nAs for Serbia, she may have been the trigger for the war, but she WAS conquered and the front moved into Greek Macedonia and Albania. In reality the Great Powers would have eventually gone to war with one another with or without Serbia."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>45\nI think the biggest impact of the Allied bombing campaign was the sheer amount of manpower and materiel it tied up. The fighters and 88s used to protect the homeland could have been used on the front."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>thoughtful discussion\n>on WW2\n>on 4chan\nlol, lmao even"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>46\nWhere did you find all this ?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>26\nThe way the war ended is the reason why conflict broke out again. It has nothing to do with the original countries with which conflict started with.\nThe reason why the entangling alliances existed in the first place has more to do with nationalism and colonialism than it has anything to do with Austria Hungary or Serbia. And when you go back to the 19th century and start to understand it then the first war gains totally different dimensions and it becomes clear that Áustria Hungary was on the verge of collapse due to the obvious domestic problems. It becomes very hard to disentangle one conflict from the other.\nThen you add the domino theory and it becomes hard to separate ww2 from the Korean and Vietnam conflicts as well as the Chinese communist revolution all the way to the collapse of soviet Russia.\nIt also becomes clear that Soviet Russia was given exactly the same treatment as 1918 Germany."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Blitzkrieg was a new combat doctrine invented by the Wehrmacht\nThe term is a Western invention and was dismissed by the Germans, including Hitler himself, who described it as stupid. German armies had a long history of relying on mobile warfare to make up for a lack of brute strength, and the Wehrmacht saw themselves as simply modernizing this approach."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Happy international worker's day. Long live the international proletariat!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "*National proletariat"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Long live the international proletariat!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's happening\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46bukNj8gDw [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nvoluntary charity =/= government mandated command & control economy\n\nBut it is true that both abrahamic religion is a mess of slave morality, socialism is just the natural evolution of that."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHappy Saint Joseph the Worker day to you too!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThen why do Christians enshrine various other personal moral convictions into the law but not these? Also, when someone didn't \"voluntarily\" fork over all of their goods they were instantly killed by G_d. This is one of the only times I can think that this happens in the New testament."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs*\n*Terms and conditions apply.\n\n>In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Then why do Christians enshrine various other personal moral convictions into the law but not these?\ntheological differentation between Evangelicals and Apostolic tradition. Apostles did abandon their wealth and gave away, this existed as monmasticism in Europe and monastics did gave away all of their wealth, monasteries functioned as hospitals and place to feed and shelter the poor. Especially Franssicans.\nEvangelicals in other hand think the wealth of Church is a sign of mammon therefore any form must be avoided. First instance of it is probably Big 'enry in England demolishing all the monasteries and confiscating their wealth. But most extreme form started in USA, therefore they think the personal wealth is good in every way but shared common wealth of church is not good."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Imagine a workers rally. Communists waving red banners and workers slogans. Together as they march past the capital they spontaneously burst into a round of “The Internationale”…\n\n“Arise, ye victims…” BANG! A gunshot rings out and blood and brain matter coat some of the leftists who had been singing just a moment before. Confused, the crowd continues to sing, but not as many voices chime in as before.\n\n“For the tyrants fear…” BANG! BANG! BANG! Three streaks of red hot 5.56 tracer rounds shred the skulls of the leftists who had been holding the central banner splattering their comrades in gore.\n\nPanic over takes the crowd as the once singing masses turn into a panicked frenzy. BANG! BANG! The leftists are gripped in terror, some hilariously trampling their own fellows in a md dash to get away. Ironically, a march for unity has ended with many leftists dying under the boots of their own comrades, trampled like refuse.\n\nRemember friends, a few well placed men can counter an entire revolution."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nExtremely based i say."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Communists hate the working class and especially working class Christian families, they'll slaughter them every chance they get and they always have. Godless communists hate God and His creation."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>wish you were here..."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>international workers day\n>posts someone that never worked a day in his life"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIt is also something he never actually said except in a half mocking tone where he was making arguments for why the Utopian socialist who actually wanted that were wring because that situation was so far into the future that it was not even worth thinking about and that instead you would need to follow Scientific SocialismTM for a long time before you would be ready for the slogan the utopians used."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nMost communists in Europe and Latin America *came* from working class Christian families anon. They just realized the church didn't have their best interests at heart."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nerr, that should be Europe and the Americas, AFAIK the North American left is still mostly people with working class Christian backgrounds, they're just so weak and co-opted that I forget they exist sometimes"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\nim trans too idk if that matters"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nshall not be infringed\nwe're shooting back if you try this shit"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nlol good luck plinking at us with your shitty AK replicas when we're posted up in vantage points\n\noh yeah, there will be plenty of \"fireworks\" along the parade route too"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>>20\n\nBased and Anti-union pilled\nBow to your imported Scab labor overlords chuds.\nWoke capitalism shall NOT be dismantled on our watch"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>muhhhh republicans\n\nnot an argument, we fascists are pro union and pro trade protectionism\n\nstarwman harder midwit"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>We fascists\nDon’t exist anymore. All self proclaimed “fascists” nowadays are morons who got COINTELPRO’d into being useful idiots for the CIA and/or an international business conglomerate, to be discarded and replaced when no longer useful like your idol Franco and his entire regime. You might as well convert to Salafist Islam because that’s the only ideology left that hasn’t been (wholly) co-opted by a foreign intelligence agency."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkys"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Happy International workers day!"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\ngood thing Ukrainians are living long, safe lives now that they restored capitalism"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\n>voluntary charity =/= government mandated command & control economy\nsure, but it's unclear why a Christian would oppose a socialist state as an alternative to a liberal state, since neither are based on voluntary charity but rather implicit violence to raise revenues. A kind of communist society, as in one that achieves equitable distribution without a state apparatus enforcing it on people but rather through voluntary participation, would seem to be a very spiritually pure society because it would suggest that people have abandoned their fixations with material gain for compassion. It would directly express through actions the truly held beliefs of the faithful that there is something higher than material gain, whether it be moral duty to reject sin or a more direct and true disinterest in the material for more divine things like the spirit, or the souls of others.\n\nI'd understand if a Christian had a disinterest in both states of affairs, as that would probably be even more of a religious disposition. But Christians in America (at least) tend to appear very hypocritical because they often outright promote the maintenance of a very sinful society. I've heard some of the theological explanations for institutions like property, that basically they are necessary to maintain what little goodness can exist because humans are already fallen and sinful, but that seems like a very post-hoc justification that also mixes up what is being discussed. One can dispassionately observe that property is a product of the human condition of sinfulness, but it's rarely the case that Christian outright promote sinful conditions. They generally believe in extending compassion and forgiveness to sinful people because temptation to sin is unavoidable, but the religious activity is to continuously try to make people aware of their spiritual condition to know Christ and as a result of true belief they would desire to not sin and attempt to reject it."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nwhich is just to say that I'd expect the ideal Christian to take a disinterest in the state as an object of change and instead focus on continuously encouraging people to find compassion for each other and a moral disposition through Christ, which would generally involve rejecting accumulation and property. But of course, in the American case Christians tend to be exceptionally concerned with using the state to enforce certain activity on people and are vocally in favor of enforcing institutions of property. I'd think they'd appear as even more hopelessly idealistic communists, because they'd reject violence to enforce communism through a state but they'd conceptualize a truly holy state of affairs as on in which people freely share things based on needs and don't take advantage of each other. So they'd understand that their communism can't happen because the world is sinful and only the return of Jesus can bring it about, but regardless of the hopelessness of actually achieving it they'd promote that moral disposition because that is fundamentally looking towards the divine rather than comfortably enmeshing oneself in what is sinful."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>23\n>muh CIA\n\nleftists terminally obsessed with le boogey organization while failing to realize that their own shitty systems collapsed due to their own incompetence\n\nYou will NEVER have a revolution"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>Christian would oppose a socialist state as an alternative to a liberal state\nChristians, of different denominations, have historically supported both liberalism and non-Marxist socialism (Marxism is specifically atheist).\nPoint still stands that Jesus, or any other figure in the Bible, were not talking about socialism when they mentioned charity. Those are not the same.\n>But Christians in America\nWhat Christians? The original Puritans of New England were notorious for rejecting the institution of inheritance, instead writing in their testament that all their property should be given away after their death.\nDifferent Christian denominations have different attitudes towards property, but I'm yet to find any major one that considers property as a whole sinful.\nI recommend Weber's magnum opus \"The protestant ethics and the spirit of capitalism\" on this topic. Basically, Calvinists saw work as a moral duty, and material profits as a sign of God's favour (finding out if they are elected by God or not being their main preocupation).\nWhat Christians generally considered sinful is not wealth per se, but rather using up that wealth to fund vices. Weber cites an example of a super rich German industrialists, who was very devout. He had stomach issues and thus his doctor advised him to eat oysters, but the industrialist refused because he thought that oysters were a luxury and a Christian shouldn't eat them. Owning wealth is perfectly fine as long as you don't use it for your own pleasure."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>You will NEVER have a revolution\nyou realize that's precisely what jews want? Do you understand that you're pretty much shilling for jews... for free?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>pretending to be antisemetic to own the chuds\n\nHow the left has fallen"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>pretending to be antisemitic\nI'm not, I'm a leftist, nazi, and my father is a commie, he was the first person to ever redpill me about the jews\n\nyour little mind... well guess what it's a bit more complicated than that"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol, lmfao even"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nThe guy posted a Francoist flag so safe to say he is not motivated by racial well being."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Beep beep"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm all in as long as it's an apostolic theocracy."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>7\nFirst, I think the lie was the sin. Second, we are command not to be yolked with non-believers. Unless we establish a theocracy holding things in common shouldn't enter the law."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>9\nwonder how this conflict will play out in the mexican/american relations. word has it protestants are gaining ground in south america and mexico will soon be the last catholic country in the entire continent."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Maybe I'm just romanticizing it, but I feel being great at something is better even if you are poor because that is what humans want in the end, being better than others. I mean, even a guy like Elon, the richest and one of the most powerful person, gets insecure and has to make himself look smarter at something to everyone."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPosting here and not on /adv/ because I am not looking for advice, but I'm just curious to know the opinions of others, and you guys seem to know a lot about the human condition"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nElon is basically what would happen if the average 4channer got any sort of wealth or status. I don't disagree, but holy shit imagine expecting any of this from a 5000 year old Indian board game."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRich and powerful."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif you think being poor is better than X (other than being horribly mutilated or something), you are obnoxiously 'middle-class'"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would rather have a talent for a useful skill I could make breakthroughs into than being a richfag.It keeps you young and alive. Look at Kant and Musashi Miyamoto,both dedicated their life to their craft and lived without enjoying luxuries but just enough comfort so they can enjoy their craft. They lived a satisfactory life and died content not even having any children\nInb4 Miyamoto didn't exist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nBut people who were obsessed with their craft, be it mathematicians, philosophers, or artists chose to live a modest life in pursuit of their work. In contrast, the rich and powerful always try to present themselves as geniuses to badly imitate this very pursuit in an artificial manner."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhile I agree with you. No art,craft or science is free of hero worship and egomaniacs calling people stupid and having cat fights. Chess community is a good example of that."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou are right. But I'm talking about a person's need to appear wiser than everyone else, more than anything. Like in OP, Elon makes up bullshit to cope with not being really good at chess. But I doubt that Carlsen would cope like Elon, if asked if he's rich and powerful. The need to appear intelligent>>>>The need to appear rich and powerful, atleast on individual scale. So, I think what man wants to be better(smarter) than others than be richer and more powerful than others, or atleast appear to."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's better to be good at something. no question. there's no romanitcism about it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t.\nEcce homo, homo"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nYeah. That does make sense."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nFor most people, after someone starts making 200k / yr, money doesnt matter anymore. Compare this to someone who makes 10 million yr vs 100 million.\n>consequence\nThe happiest most successful people in the world are professional sports players. They dont make elon musk money, but they are the 1%. They are the pinnacle of their craft and get to bang cheerleaders."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nChess isnt an art a craft or a science and its very easy to determine who the best is."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIn others too you can know which are the greatest, not the best maybe, but you can definitely establish an hierarchy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes Elon realise how pathetic he looks when he says this?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "test."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How old were you when you realised that atheism is correct?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen I realised every religious guy on this site who pretends to have found a way to prove the existence of God was a larping delusional cunt."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwithout God there is no atheism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on what you mean by atheism.\nt. agnostic about philosophical theism, atheist about gods of human religions"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>without God there is no atheism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>without no concept of god there is no atheism\nftfy"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nYou mean without the idea of god."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>without Unicorns there are no non Unicorn believers"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nwithout God there is no agnosticism"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nWithout humans there is no God(s)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n10 yo."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>without God there is no agnosticism"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nBased\n\n>>3\nThere is no God\n\n>>4\nI think the dictionary definition is a good one for atheism:\n>Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods\nSo I'm an atheist because I don't have a belief in any god.\n\n>>11\nFair. For me it might have been a couple years older. Maybe 12 or 13. I don't think I thought about it that much, until I did come around to thinking about it. And to me, the explanations of science made more sense than the religious explanation, which of course is not backed by hard evidence."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWithout God there is no Atheism or Theism or Agnosticism."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI figured it out at 16 and really settled into it by 17.\nAround 27 I became agnostic.\nAtheists are still more reasonable than religious people though."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nThere is no God\n\n>>15\nI used to call myself an agnostic because I thought \"well I suppose I can't technically PROVE there's no God\" but now I call myself an atheist because I'm pretty fucking sure that humans just made up God. They didn't have evidence, they just made him up, like the other religions of the world. It's just mythology isn't it? Stories that people decided to believe in. Just like Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Norse mythology, etc.\n\nLike the idea that Moses spoke to God on Mount Sinai. Let's be honest, he didn't. There's no evidence at all that there is a God who can speak to people. He just claimed to have spoken to God so that people would listen to his ten commandments."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWas a kid at school hearing the story of the angel of death and Passover, noahs ark etc I can remember thinking this is bullshit. Later found out no historical evidence that it happened. My Christian teachers were weirdos and hypocrites"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame age as when Jews get married, the age of 3 years and a day. Islamics usually get married at 6 years old and a day.\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/search?q=a%20girl%20of%20three&tab=text&tvar=1&tsort=relevance&svar=1&ssort=relevance"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nOh no I’m with you, I don’t think any religious gods exist, I just don’t think we have the information yet to write off the concept of reality/the universe being created by some intelligence"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtraterrestrials are Gods (met several); So realized them at 3."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Goddesses also."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>I just don’t think we have the information yet to write off the concept of reality/the universe being created by some intelligence\nTrue we can't necessarily rule out something like that. But Christians of course don't only claim that there's an intelligence (which we have no evidence of) - they also claim that this intelligence was the father of Jesus, and that it gave the Ten Commandments to Moses, etc. So there's a bunch of claims beyond just the idea of an intelligence. But like I say even the intelligence idea is not substantiated - it's nothing more than a possibility.\n\nMaybe you agree with this because you say you don't believe in religious gods."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nlmao dont you know about god the person and god the concept retard?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe exact same age i realised that i fucking love sience\n14"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nScience discovers truth while religion just peddles lies. Christcucks will forever try and fail to cope with this fact."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\ni know, right?! exactly!\ni fucking loveeee science. christcuckzoids be le coping and le seething"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>Maybe you agree with this because you say you don't believe in religious gods.\nYes, shame there’s no good word for this."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nC student behavior"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Atheism is a delusion"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\n>Science discovers truth while religion just peddles lies"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nYeah he’s right."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni never did"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHard to remember. 15, maybe 16 at the latest."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>believing in atheism when it has the same amount of evidence as theism, if not less\n>he can’t comprehend the ontological argument\n>he can’t understand that even if it weren’t true religion is foundational to a stable society and good life\nAccept Christ or live alone, it’s that simple."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>28\nwhy? because i fucking love science? what's wrong with this?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>i never did\nobviously, someone retarded enough to fall for the jewish psyops that is christcukery would never ever realize how retarded he is, his own retardation is holing him hostage"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\ni'm a muslim"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheism is false because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And NDErs talk about God running the afterlife. Therefore God exists.\n>b-b-but NDEs are dreams or hallucinations somehow\nAlready explicitly refuted in the literature you likely have not read on NDEs.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nBased NDE spammer"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\n>he can’t understand that even if it weren’t true religion is foundational to a stable society and good life\n>Accept Christ or live alone, it’s that simple.\nSounds like a you problem"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">why arent you atheist.\nNo low IQ to be a christcuck.\nNo mid-low IQ to be atheist.\nAnd since the simplicity of mind of children of Satan and the obvious evil of Demiurge are laid bare, I chose the very obvious gnosticism.\nIq issue."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>26\nYou clearly are coping and seething with posts like this\n\n>>27\nSkeptic would be a general word maybe\n\n>>29\nWhy are Christians so sure that there's a God? It's absurd. Science has shown us over and over that our intuitions about the universe are often wrong. The fact is that we don't know everything about the origins of the universe.\n\n>>30\nIt's true though. Thanks to science we have cars, aeroplanes, computers. Religion didn't discover truths allowing us to make this stuff. Religion isn't based on testing the universe to find out the truth. Religion is just stories that make people feel good, regardless of what the truth is.\n\n>>32\nYou decided to suck your vicar's cock instead?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>34\n>Accept Christ or live alone\nStephen Hawking was an atheist and he had 3 kids\n\nDara O'Briain, Irish comedian, is an atheist with 3 kids\n\nDavid Gilmour, Pink Floyd guitarist, is an atheist with 8 kids (1 adopted, others biological)\n\nWhy do you think atheists have to live alone? Also, no, atheism doesn't have less evidence than theism. And the ontological argument is fucking moronic."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nAtheism is not false. Near death experiences do not prove an afterlife. NDEs are just your brain fucking with you when you're near to death."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\n>Why are Christians so sure that there's a God? It's absurd. Science has shown us over and over that our intuitions about the universe are often wrong. The fact is that we don't know everything about the origins of the universe.\nWhy are atheistd so sure that they exist? It's absurd. Science has shown us over and over that our intuitions about the universe are often wrong. The fact is that we don't know if you're a philosophical zombie\n>Thanks to science we have cars, aeroplanes, computers\nScience is a false god, it didn't give you those, God did. They wouldn't be possible without the natural order God bestows on creation."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>Why are atheistd so sure that they exist?\nMy sense data is more real to me than anything else. If I get punched hard then I feel it. It feels pretty real to me. So I think my sense data is real. And my sense data suggests that I exist.\n\nBut God is just a fiction. I've seen no evidence of God whatsoever.\n\n>Science is a false god\nScience isn't a God at all. It's a human search for knowledge.\n\n>[science] didn't give you [technology], God did. They wouldn't be possible without the natural order God bestows on creation.\nGod doesn't exist."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>And my sense data suggests that I exist.\nNo it doesn't, you have never seen your own self. You might sense a body, but how can you sense your mind? You might say the fact you're experiencing sensation proves you exist but that would be begging the question, the non circular form would be \"there's sensation happening\" but that doesn't get you to \"I exist\".\n>I've seen no evidence of God whatsoever.\nSounds like a you problem\n>Science isn't a God at all.\nSo why do you worship it?\n>God doesn't exist.\nYou should know better"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>No it doesn't, you have never seen your own self. You might sense a body, but how can you sense your mind? You might say the fact you're experiencing sensation proves you exist\nWatching Christians pull this routine whenever they’re shown to not have evidence cemented by permanent exit from Christianity.\nP.S. Trying to raise the bar and make me more skeptical of what’s true is going to make anyone less likely to believe in your god, not more"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIt's not about making you more skeptical, it's about pointing out you already know"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nDumbass you’re literally trying to make people skeptical that they themselves exist.\nIf I’m not even sure I exist then I sure as fuck am not buying your entire religion"}, {"id": 51, "content": "God exists"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nYou know for certain you exist, that's the point, it's obvious and it's obvious before evidence. You're being inconsistent because you're presupposing that God exists while denying He exists. You only can't know anything without God, with God, you can have certainty."}, {"id": 53, "content": "There are simply too many different gods for any god in any religion to be true if there were true gods all human cultures would have known about them there would be no inconsistency"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\n>you have never seen your own self\nSaw myself in the bathroom mirror a couple minutes ago, so you're wrong.\n\n>the non circular form would be \"there's sensation happening\" but that doesn't get you to \"I exist\".\nDescartes thought that his thoughts alone meant he existed. And he was a Christian. So you should agree with this assertion of his.\n\n>Sounds like a you problem\nSounds like a you problem that you believe in something that doesn't exist LMAO\n\n>So why do you worship it?\nI don't worship science. I think it's good. But it makes mistakes obviously, as humans always do. But science does gather more and more knowledge over time, and this knowledge is useful to us.\n\n>You should know better\nGod doesn't exist. Why do you believe in some magical deity that you've never seen or experienced? Just because your priest told you to believe in it? That's dumb.\n\n>>51\nWhy do you think this? What evidence is there? None.\n\n>>52\nGod doesn't exist."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nGod exists"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nI can see myself and control my body. I can assume I exist but I can also prove it, just like I can prove my car exists. You can do the same, but you can’t prove your god exists"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nWhy do you think this when there's no evidence of a god at all?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n7-8, never really felt the need for a sky-daddy."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nHe drove himself insane by not being able to prove he exists"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nabout 13"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>11\n>>13\n>>17\n>>58\n>>60\nEmbarrassed that it took me until I was 15 or so but then I realized some grown men here still haven’t figured it out lol"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>54\n>Why do you think this? What evidence is there? None.\nbecause everything we can know and talk about is conditioned (by causality, for example). With the knowledge that everything is conditioned it must necessarily come with it the knowledge of the unconditioned. What is unconditioned, though we can't really talk about it or prove it's existence objectively (how could we?), we can think about it.\n\nIf there were nothing unconditioned, then man wouldn't be free, since freedom is the capacity man possesses to act as unconditioned. if man is only limited to knowing what and how the world merely \"is\" and not able to think \"what it should be\", then human action is nothing but mere instinctual calculating, an empty technique of well-being.\n\nI believe man is more than this, that it can determine what the world should be, not merely what and how it is, and this requires me to believe that man is free. That man can live in a community not only based on the principle of freedom (public laws) but on the principle of love too, that is the reason I believe God exists.\n\nI have no evidence for the existence of God as I have no evidence for the existence of human freedom. But if I believe in one I believe in the other.\n\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\n>>60\nGood work\n\n>>59\nLol\n\n>>61\nI mean I do respect grown men Christians if they also respect views like atheism. I don't agree with their position but I can respect their views if they're willing to respect mine. I also don't really understand why they believe in God but whatever, it's their choice. I think it's probably just a cultural thing which people don't want to let go of.\n\n>>62\nThis is all just cope, I'm sorry to say. There is no credible evidence of any god. It's pretty clear that humans invented the idea of God to give them an explanation of the universe, before they had science.\n\nScience is obviously not perfect but I think it's given us better answers than religion did. I think the theory of evolution is more plausible than creationism, for instance."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot sure, I was mostly indifferent to religion but after interacting with Christians and seeing how they really are, I began to consider myself now an atheist.\nIt's hard to find a group of people more disingenuous, loathsome, and hypocritical than the Christians you find on the internet. Most people irl who were realised Christian are probably fine though, but I still see their beliefs as irrational and mostly obsolete."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>This is all just cope\nit isn't\n\n>There is no credible evidence of any god.\nI just said I don't have evidence, not of the kind you're after anyway\n\n>It's pretty clear that humans invented the idea of God to give them an explanation of the universe, before they had science.\nnot entirely correct\n\n>Science is obviously not perfect\ncorrect. but nothing is\nexcept man, potentially. which is why I'm religious\n\n> I think it's given us better answers than religion did\nThery're different answers to different questions with different languages. This is evident nowadays, even if it wasn't centuries ago. If anything the progress of science reinvigorates religion (Christianity), becuase it establishes more precisely the place each one must occupy inside the spiritual economy of culture\n\n>I think the theory of evolution is more plausible than creationism, for instance.\nI agree.\n\nIt doesn't look like you're engaging with what I said in my post, so I think the \"cope\" accusation falls flat\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 66, "content": "i became atheist at 15 then i stopped at 17 and went back to being religious"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nI don't think all Christians are bad. 99% of 4chan Christians seem to be bad, but Christians in real life are often alright. Not all of them of course, but some of them.\n\n>>65\nGod doesn't exist\n\n>if man is only limited to knowing what and how the world merely \"is\" and not able to think \"what it should be\", then human action is nothing but mere instinctual calculating\n\"What it should be\" could be a moral question I guess, and I've often seen Christians say that Christianity results in better morals. But you don't need a God for that. You could believe in the exact same morals without God. E.g. let's say you think sex before marriage is bad, for example. You can still believe that without God.\n\nI just don't believe in God myself because I've seen no evidence for him. I think he was made up by humans. Just like Zeus was made up by the Greeks, and Jupiter and Mars and all the Roman gods were made up by the Romans, and Thor and Odin were made up by the Norse people. And Ganesh and Vishnu etc were made up by Indians. And so on.\n\n>>66\nInteresting. I just don't see evidence for religion myself."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>\"What it should be\" could be a moral question\nNo. It is the sense of morality as a whole. It is only possible at all if freedom is real (the possibility to go beyond what the world is and think about what it should be). There isn't any sensory evidence of freedom either (there is, but no one merely 'sees' freedom)\n\n>Christians say that Christianity results in better morals.\nI'm not talking about morals as a set of stuff that is either good or bad, but the fact that the world and our freedom can clash at all. That freedom (the essence of morality, what the world should be, not nature) can leave it's trace on the world (nature, what the world is), and the potential the world has for it being shaped entirely and completely by our freedom. The possibility for that being the case is the mere though of God (i'm not talking about evidence). (All i've said is my half-assed version of kantian philosophy btw)\nChristianity, more precisely Catholic doctrine, is just the more refined endevour man has ever undertaken in order to discern the nature of the Divine and the nature of religion\n\n>I just don't believe in God myself because I've seen no evidence for him. I think he was made up by humans. Just like Zeus was made up by the Greeks, and Jupiter and Mars and...\nthe Divine has let itself known universally and in all aspects of human existence and has been talked about for centuries by philosophy, theology, poetry, etc. Also, as soon as the greek philosophers came up with the concept of theology they knew that Divinity is One. As philosophers, they had nothing to say about Zeus\n\nBut, yeah, there isn't really anything wrong with being an atheist. But people have to realise that the positive sciences, spearheaded by mathematical physics, do not 'de iure' clash with the language of religion and theology (or strict philosophy, for that matter).\nPositive sciences deal with given things\nPhilosophy deals with being\nReligion and theology deal with totalities"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPissbaby atheist spam.\n\nAtheists don't care about religion, they only care about Christianity because they're schizos."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n>the Divine has let itself known universally and in all aspects of human existence and has been talked about for centuries by philosophy, theology, poetry, etc\nCreationism was believed for centuries but that doesn't mean it's true. Evolution is now a more plausible theory.\n\n>the positive sciences, spearheaded by mathematical physics, do not 'de iure' clash with the language of religion and theology (or strict philosophy, for that matter).\n>Positive sciences deal with given things\n>Philosophy deals with being\n>Religion and theology deal with totalities\nMaybe science does cover everything. Maybe the universe is entirely physical and operates according to physical laws, and there are no supernatural things, such as gods. I think the evidence so far is quite good to suggest that the universe might be entirely physical, without any supernatural elements.\n\n>>69\nPissbaby Christcuck tantrum."}, {"id": 71, "content": "16."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nAlex Jones: \"Did you know that christians are the most persecuted people in the world.\"\n\n>Random Stranger: \"I suppose so given their numbers.\""}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\natheism is god O_O"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nToo ironic."}, {"id": 75, "content": "21"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI didn't. atheists deserve to die."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>7\nmoving goalposts as usual\n\n>>8\nmore goalpost moving\n\n>>13\nhow do you know?\n\n>>23\nmore goalpost moving\n\nI am done here."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>YOU MOVED LE GOALPOSTS, YOU CAN’T DO THAT! YOU BROKE THE RULES, THAT MEANS I WIN\nLol cya queer"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So, uh, how come Asians colonized Madagascar from across the Indian Ocean before Africans could do it?\n\nJust wondering."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfrican Continental life was virtually left in the \"Dark Eons\" because of the Sahara desert blocking them from much cultural exchange to keep pace with the rest of the world. Forget seafaring boats. Basic shit like agriculture was barely developed."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they're to busy raiding each-other for slaves to sell."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did people from East India reach Sri Lanka before inhabitants of South India did? Shit happens sometimes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsians didn’t do shit but get cucked by African men."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nChinese coming from a homogeneous country with total han supremacy lecturing some rando dude from a new made up country with bazzilions of tribes and ethnic conflicts."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nChinese had tribal conflicts too... like 1 000 years ago."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarliest madagascar human presence evidence predate asian migrants."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYeah 1000 years ago before they assimilated everyone till Vietnam and Tibet. Whats your point? There are still minorities in China but they aren't significant enough to challenge the heavenly mandate."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>Shit happens sometimes\nBruh"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nMy point is Africa is ravaged by tribalism to this day while other people's have moved past that long ago"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nI don't get this leftoid talking point, according to you should there be a country for every ooga booga african tribe in the middle of nowhere? Whats wrong with assimilating all those like what everyone else did?"}, {"id": 13, "content": "tbf Madagascar is pretty far away from Africa, even if the continent sizes make it look like its just off the coast.\nFurther away than just being able to see it or any trace of it from the coast.\nYou could fit a whole country in the open ocean"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone of what you said was true. There have been multiple migrations to Madagascar."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nMost of the third world made up countries are engulfed with ethnic conflicts.\n>>12\nBecause it's cruel and the assimilated people are treated as second class citizens at best. You should be supporting leftists on this one though. They extend this line of thought to isolate ooga boogas even further not even letting consensual assimilation and ripping off developed countries the resources they could get by cooperation with those primitive tribals."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Can someone explain this dude’s obsession with Madagascar? Life isn’t a map painting game and “Africans” is a meaningless term in this context"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nMaybe you could infer from the context of the discussion that it is Africans on the east coast, closest to Madagascar, that OP meant before you start a pointless discussion on semantics."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nnot really. tiny nations are almost nonexistent because they aren't militarily viable in a world with large militarized nation states. you think everyone will hold hands and sing kumbaya when they all have their little magical cultural-linguistic ethnoborders. genocide raids invasion endless"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nWhats with this edgy \"realism\"? You think I don't understand that. Thats why people are not taught to be edgelords and respect each other blah blah blah. Most normal people have it in them to live good peaceful lives except for the psychopaths at the top organising violence and destruction by promising shit to people. Its just moral values and education. May sound childish but world isn't as cynical you make it out to be."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nfair point."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\nTaiwan... Numba one?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>6\nchinks are as much as one race as every european put together is"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nBut most of them don't have any problem calling them Han Chinese belong to the glorious Zhongguo. They don't see each other as different people for the most part.Their racial cluster is smaller than Europe even if you include Japs and Koreans."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>Life isn’t a map painting game\nPeople say this but many historical figures were IRL map painters."}, {"id": 25, "content": "100% socioeconomic reasons."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNegroes couldn't build ships due to purely socioeconomic factors"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\n>china was never colonized\n>china wasn't invaded by foreign imperialist\n>china wasn't fraught with ethnic violence\n>most of China wasn't ruled by petty warlords\n>China didn't recover from massive famines\n>China wasn't embargoed by the international community\n\nAll of this was less than 100 years ago too dumbass"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nJesus Christ I have never seen someone blown the fuck out so hard on this site before"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nAfrica worshipperbros? What excuses will we make next..?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlenty of land in Africa so there was no need to. Polynesians had almost no land, therefore a huge pressure to navigate.\nNext question"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>2\nMesoamericans were more disconnected and made huge agricultural progress."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine time traveling to Madagascar in 1,000 AD and being greeted by this giant fella. Madagascar must’ve been like something out of one of those 10 Million Years BC caveman movies back then."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Be me\n>Sailing for months on an unknown course because my cousin Toa Ignika swears that the spirits told him theres land this way\n>Whatever.jpg I got nothing better to do so follow him with a few local families\n>Almost starve to death by getting lost in endless oceans\n>mfw we actually hit land\n>mfw I see a big delicious bird as soon as we land"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe get it, niggers bad, no need to post the same thread that’s been posted a hundred times already."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is he so anti-Caesar despite his opposition to the aristocratic slave plantation class? Anyone have a link to the early access paypig video?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nInterestingly, he was a lot more pro-Caesar in his earlier videos. I guess he became more anti-Caesar the closer he got to becoming a king."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>giving a shit about hisantifa's opinions"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbump"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCaesar refused to let Nubian Bvlls into rome to civilize the local women and this enrages him greatly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">please pay attention to this annoying shitlib. *Never* read any books please please\nI fucking hate this board."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy does he dick suck Cicero so hard? He was a fucking snake and almost everything he did blew up in his face."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Caesar is le dictator and dictator = bad.\n\n>>7\nBecause Cicero is le republican and republicanism = good.\n\nNow any real leftist would obviously side with Caesar, the reformer and man of the people over Cicero, the defender of the oligarchy's entrenched privileges, but American liberal democratic brain rot goes deep."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI noticed Right Wingers are more likely to be pro Caesar and I don't mean cuckservatives due to will to power, you know imposing his rule through the sword whilst being mercifull to Romans, but hey if you are a leftist supporting a decadent Oligarchy because you can vote is le heckin wholesome and good."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nCeasar is very Hitlerian. Taking from neighbouring groups to provide for your own domestic poor with Lebensraum etc. It is based on a high differential between outgroup and ingroup. You usually get people who advocate for the same level \"mercy\" for foreigners as they do countrymen, or you get people who advocate harshness for those abroad as well as those at home. Hitler, Caesar, Genghis Khan etc exhibit qualities that can be described as national socialist that involve using armies for the purposes of enriching your own population. They are very imperialistic but they don't see imperialism as something which should only benefit the few. This particular combination when it arises tends to uphend history, that doesn't mean it is \"good\" however, but rather that they can act on history in ways which are far more significant than you would otherwise expect due to the intense loyalty people will give them."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nCaesar was brutal to the Gaels, but he did appoint many to the senate, also looking at the late Republican Senate I don't know how anyone can be pro Cicero or Cato or pro Senate in any regards unless you're a faggy delusional leftist or are retarded."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI'm not really trying to defend Hitler here, I'm just making the arguemnt that \"political national socialism\" is applicable to figures such as Ceasar, Hitler, and Temujin. With that said Hitler seemingly allowed Slovakia to be a puppet state which arguably shouldn't have been a thing and is similar to appointing Gauls who showed him loyalty to the senate. This figures are very personalist but their appeal is also populist, and so long as they keep winning they can keep delivering the goods."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>Genghis Khan and Caesar and NatSoc\n/pol/ and its consequences have been a disaster for the 4chan race."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI'm not arguing that they were adherents to some 20th century German ideology, I'm saying they were proponents of widely distributed imperialistic plunder."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nCaesar didn't really plunder Gaul in any purposeful way. He more got wrapped into a serious of convoluted treaties and alliances all stemming from the Helvetii, and things broke down with Vercingetorix and he punished the betrayal as any Roman would punish the betrayal, but still a lot of tribes were loyal and he followed through on his promises. Caesar's whole life seemed to be getting wrapped up in a series of deals and then finally delivering a decade later after he sorts things out. Guy died right before setting out to deliver on a promise from 20 years ago to stabilize Illyria. His enslavement of 1/3 of the Gauls was more just a Roman thing to keep his soldiers happy while he was sorting out their pay and estates. It's not like Romans didn't enslave the peoples they conquered before him."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nOkay then how about this: All roman generals were hitlerian looters. Especially after the marian reforms."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Can someone explain to me what Brutus & cos' plan was? How come they literally fell apart after killing Caesar? Was their plan literally 1) kill Caesar 2) ??? 3) Republic is saved?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nI think it might make more sense to argue that Hitler was intentionally trying to bring back the ancient roman practices of granting land to your soldiers."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>1) kill Caesar\n>2) Caesarians either don't retaliate militarily or they do it but are defeated\n>3) Republic is saved\nWith hindsight it might seem obvious that 2) would fail, but keep in mind that right after Caesar's assassination an agreement was made with Anthony to give amnesty to the assassins. That failed after riots broke out in Rome and the assassins fled, allowing Caesarians to take over and realize they had wide public support in the city.\nThen the military issue wouldn't have been so bad either. Anthony was eventually defeated by the Senate. But then Octavian (who came out of nowhere and, at the start, seemed loyal to Cicero) switched sides after the battle of Mutina and proclaimed support for Anthony, forming the second triumvirate.\nAfter that point it was over for the assassins, but it wasn't obvious that history would go that way."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts not like Caesar wanted to abolish the ruling class, he just wanted to make himself their king, in name or otherwise."}, {"id": 21, "content": "where is the link m niggaz"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nCaesar transcends political binaries, and all partisans of the left and the right should aspire to be like him. Napoleon, Hitler, and many, many other great men of history have all walked down such a path of Caesarism. In all cases, Caesar's disciples are created in moments of national crisis, when the old order is dying and the new is struggling to be born. They can't be simply categorized by simplistic binary notions of politics, of left or right. What makes Caesar Caesar is that he is the world-spirit in human vessel, the one who actualizes ideals into reality, and resolving the contradictions society faces. Caesar himself resolved the contradictions of the Republic by killing it, bringing Rome to the heights of its glory as the Empire that we know today. Bonaparte solidified the gains of the Revolution and spread it far beyond the borders of France, permanently crippling the feudal order of Europe. And Hitler was able to revitalize a castrated Weimar Republic into the feared Third Reich, starting the war that still defines the world order that we live in today.\n\nAnd the world we live in today, the Liberal New World Order under the United States, is dying, collapsing even, in front of our very eyes. The Globalists will do everything in their power to stop the rise of another Caesar, but all the material conditions indicate that we may see one in the very near future."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou know OP, it's possible to say both sides were bad."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCaesar was a psychopath. He wasn't against shit unless it gave him more money and power"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nThat being said Cato was the good guy."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nCato the Elder was based. Cato the Younger was a fag."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbump, video pls my brain hurts from waiting"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>8\ncaesar was not a man of the people, he pretended to be so he could become a monarch.\nAuthoritarian oligarchy < republican oligarchy any day"}, {"id": 29, "content": "He's not anti-Caesar, he's pro-Pompeii"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">YOU ARE 13 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK!"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>10\n>Caesar was a Nazi\nI hate this fucking braindead virginity dwell so much"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\nI think this relates more to who he is reading atm than a shift in opinions."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>25\nCato was a retard, a based one though"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's a cosmopolitan globalist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What went wrong for Christianity?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many migrants has the Vatican welcomed?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing. It's inherently wrong, you can't fix it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>in Hungary\nNow maybe people on the board understand why Christians don't want to travel to your gay european countries to visit the poop.\nWe see people falling down and worshiping him and fawning over him as cringe, strange, otherworldly, alienating religion that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.\n>we made Rome Emperor into a pop icon, why don't you christians just surrender already? why are you still christians? (What went wrong?)"}, {"id": 5, "content": "The whole following Francis and trying to touch him is an obvious attempt to mimic when Jesus actually was on earth and they wanted him to heal them. But Francis is just a sinner like you or me, he can't actually do that, he doesn't have apostolic succession like they claim."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nI must agree with anon here, Christianity was, if anything, a uncoordinated attack by the germans and french to take over mediterranian supremacy, either of culture or traditions of thought. even up to this day, germans and french keep screwing the world with their ideas of \"perspectivism\" and concepts pulled out of their ass such \"culture\".\nLook up when and from where such word comes from. Most of the ones that challenge the invasive backwardness of christianity were the romans themselves and ultimately as a last attempt from the romans to keep power, they created the Chatolic church."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>>6\n>christianity is german and french supremacy\nNo, no one believes this. You are an insane person.\nGod is God, not a nationality."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nyou are dilusional, your god is sht, no different than any other indian sht eating god, a tool used by the germans and french to screw the progress of civilization."}, {"id": 9, "content": "America. Retards like this.\n>>unknown →\n>>unknown →\nThese subhuman Americans can't even grasp the concept of abstract thought."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nOn every subject these most deranged retards on the planet come out during burger working hours when I'm sleeping, say something beyond retarded and declare victory."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nWell fuck you mother fucker, I'm not a Romanist but Romanists can rape you in hell.\nGod is God, and He threw faggots like you in hell.\nI'm a white Christian AMERICAN btw."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>>10\n>I'm on an american website and now I am mad."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nis this satire ?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Catholics aren't Christian"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesuits were designed to undermine the reformation in any means necessary. This resulted into Christians undervaluing the scriptures while Jesuits try to infiltrate into all authorities. For example Hillary Clinton's Vice-president was a Jesuit.\n\nNow they're one of the most liberal orders under Catholicism, and Francis is one of them."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Pastor Jim Bob at First Faith Baptist Church est. 1990 are the original christians!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\nThe fuck are you on about? First European Christians were Greeks, and by the time Germanic peoples started converting it was already dominant throughout the Roman Empire."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nChristianity took a distinctively German flavour after the fall of the WRE."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>eradicate all other cultures by force\n>occupy my country with soldiers and radio towers\n>the people forced to suffer under your retarded propaganda criticize it and the retarded it people it produces\n>better post the dumbest meme you can find just to remind the world yet again what a mindless golem you are"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMartin Luther and Calvin"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nSounds like you deserved it. God called it a barren wasteland and a place where the smoke ascendeth forever.\nCry more."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nLet's say I \"deserved it\" whatever this braindead burgerism is supposed to mean. Does that make you any less retarded? Does that make me wrong that burgers are a cancer that will likely destroy everything good they haven't destroyed already? You'll never correct course because you've already destroyed your ability to think, we're past the point of no return."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Let's say I \"deserved it\" whatever this braindead burgerism is supposed to mean. Does that make you any less retarded?\nPointless question. Americans are allowed to be free and retarded like a small child.\nDemocrats are the sinful burgers you ascertain to and created yourselves. I'm not one of those, fag."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>nooo why did I destroy everything?!"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Catholics worship satan."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>created yourselves\nWe always kept to ourselves but I had a culture once. We wrote more books than anyone. It's all over, took less than a generation after US occupation.\nIf we had a better immune system the radiation of stupidity might not have caused cancer but it did and you're the source."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n9/11 isn’t sticking to yourself."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>christcucks are retarded and subhuman\nmoar news @ 11"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\nNo it didn't. Germanics took over the secular authority, they church continued to be run by Romans and their offshoots."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nI don't know what this means but the anglo-burger-zionist alliance made the arab threat inevitable. The stated goal was making sure no local power emerges. They actively encouraged the lack of regulation that inevitably leads to warlords and resentment."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "if yamnaya and their descendents weren't blonde/blue eyed/white, why are people with the highest steppe ancestry blonde/blue eyed/white"}, {"id": 2, "content": "they selected for it over time"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I have brown hair, brown eyes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>alleles can't rise in frequency in a population through thousands of years of selection because erm... they just can't ok, Chud?????\nAlso, Northern Europeans don't descend from the Yamnaya themselves."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe highest yamnaya is in balkans and they're pretty dark"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why are people with the highest steppe ancestry blonde/blue eyed/white\nNot uniformly, see Tajiks, see Dargins, see Saami"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause those trais were already common before the arrival of indo Europeans, if Indo Europeans did not arrive we would still see a similar percentage of blonde hair and blue eyes in Northern Europe."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe distance between a modern northern european and a yamnaya man is bigger than between a swede and a spaniard. These are completely different populations"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nno they came from ancient north eurasians (hyperboreans), europeans prior to that were black"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nYes and these early Europeans were much taller than ANE gooks"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nThose have 30%ish best scenario, saami qre very light though"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>>2\n\nREMINDER THAT THE HYPERBOREANS IN CHINA (PRINCESS OF XIAOHE) WERE BLONDE/BLUE-EYED WITHOUT ANY CONNECTION TO EASTERN HUNTER-GATHERES ODER ANY STEPPE CULTURE!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWHG were midgets"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>30%ish best scenario\nBullshit. Stop posting this everywhere"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYamnaya were blonde and blue eyed, just not all of them.\n>>6\nTajiks and Dargins dont have a lot of Yamnaya. Also both Tajiks and Dargins are uniformly significantly lighter than their immediate less steppe kin."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>7\n>common before the arrival\nnope.\nonly SHG and they had EDAR which is what makes humans look like jungle critters.\n>>8\nThe Distance between a Northern European and Yamnaya is smaller than the Distance between a Balt and an Iberian, these are the same people."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nNot all distances are the same though. filipinos from luzon or vizayan might reach very high distances arround 10.5 or baka from indonesians from Java.\nYet they are essentially the same SEA-monkey people. Distinct from a filipino-Subsaharan mutt"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncohensidence\n> blonde/blue eyed/white\nliving on the rim of continent and are descendants of paleolithic gravettians\ndue living on backyards admixture from recent major invasion preserved better"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nLying more frequently won't make it less bullshit"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nIranian opinions are irrelevant"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nexplain ANE people living in the desert having blue eyes and blonde hair"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThey didn't?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>5\nBalkanites have less Yamnaya than Germans.\n\nTarget: German\nDistance: 2.5745% / 0.02574544\n54.8 POL_Globular_Amphora\n45.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n0.2 GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras\n0.0 ROU_Iron_Gates_HG\n\nTarget: Romanian\nDistance: 2.9562% / 0.02956207\n43.6 GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras\n35.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n14.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n6.8 ROU_Iron_Gates_HG\n\nTarget: Croatian\nDistance: 3.8217% / 0.03821666\n37.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n33.6 GRC_Minoan_Kephala_Petras\n16.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n12.6 ROU_Iron_Gates_HG"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>>15\nthe highest yamnaya in tajiks is something arround 37%\n\n\nTarget: Saka_Kazakh_steppe\nDistance: 3.0003% / 0.03000259\n32.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n20.2 KAZ_Botai\n11.2 POL_Globular_Amphora\n4.0 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA\n2.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso\n1.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA\n\n32.8 from yamnaya+4.65% from Saka scythians.\n37%\n\nTarget: Pamiri_Rushan\nDistance: 1.7494% / 0.01749440\n32.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n22.8 ARM_Areni_C\n19.2 IRN_Wezmeh_N\n16.6 Saka_Kazakh_steppe\n4.6 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n3.0 Iberia_North_CA\n1.0 CHN_Tarim_EMBA2\n\naverage tajik is arround 30%\n\n\nTarget: Tajik_Yaghnobi\nDistance: 1.6708% / 0.01670812\n27.0 ARM_Areni_C\n24.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n19.8 IRN_Wezmeh_N\n16.4 Saka_Kazakh_steppe\n6.4 ARM_Aknashen_N\n2.2 Iberia_North_CA\n1.6 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n1.4 CHN_Tarim_EMBA2\n0.8 POL_Globular_Amphora\n\ni mean 33-36% as average is not super low but definitely not Icelandic, Irish, scottish or norwegian tier"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nFabricated"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nyou can try yourself. calculators something struggle because they have a hard time telling Saka Botai + Iran from Steppe EHG + CHG but sourcing correctly will give best fits\n\nTarget: Pamiri_Rushan\nDistance: 1.8741% / 0.01874086\n33.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n18.6 IRN_Wezmeh_N\n12.8 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n10.2 Saka_Kazakh_steppe\n6.6 KAZ_Saka_TianShan_IA\n5.6 IRN_DinkhaTepe_BIA_B\n5.2 Iberia_North_CA\n4.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n3.0 CHN_Tarim_EMBA2\n0.2 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C\n\nTarget: Norwegian\nDistance: 3.4136% / 0.03413562\n50.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n50.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\nbullshit, even if true it's just one case. the tarim mummies were blonde and europoid."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nas you can see pamiris from rushan are the highest steppe ones, but they still low compared to southern-central euros like austrians"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nCan you give me G25 coordinates for the input data? I want to run it for myself."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>>29\nsure; i'll post them in a couple comments because they are too many, it isn't very shocking though, pamiri steppe source is sintasha, diluted itself, and pamiris have too much iran neolithic to be 50% steppe, they would need to be 65% sintasha, they aren't\n\nYamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537\nArmenian_Neo:AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN,0.100164,0.146744,-0.065996,-0.0692835,-0.0275435,-0.021614,0.006345,-0.0098075,-0.023725,0.0064695,-0.0010555,0.0063695,-0.013305,0.00406,-0.012758,-0.011668,0.0058025,0.0056375,0.0038335,0.000688,0.005615,0.009274,-0.006532,-0.0034945,0.0002395\nBotai_WSHG:KAZ_Botai,0.102441,-0.0832737,0.0902577,0.1761437,-0.082169,0.0394163,-0.0436337,-0.050613,-0.029247,-0.081338,0.027281,-0.0073933,0.0240333,-0.0694997,0.0219413,0.0205953,-0.011604,-0.00114,0.0001677,-0.0028343,-0.0347723,0.017765,0.023787,0.0040567,-0.0082623\nNortheast_asian:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795\nNortheast_asian:RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.037562,-0.424491,0.154997,0.001938,-0.14495,-0.085341,0.019506,0.031845,0.028633,0.005832,0.086878,-0.00015,0.011298,-0.04803,-0.045466,-0.027711,0.000261,0.006714,0.004148,-0.009379,0.026204,0.001607,0.002218,0.004338,0.008502\nTaiwanese:TWN_Liangdao_Late_Paleo,0.006829,-0.379808,-0.035449,-0.02907,0.119715,0.0502,-0.00094,-0.005769,-0.014112,-0.025695,0.03329,-0.001798,-0.016055,0.012799,-0.005157,0.010209,-0.005607,0.007855,0.00352,0.001376,0.024582,-0.003091,0.014666,-0.004579,-0.015567"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nIran_neo:IRN_Wezmeh_N,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998\nIran_neo:IRN_DinkhaTepe_BIA_B,0.0880705,0.1123429,-0.0700972,-0.0295949,-0.053125,-0.0006625,0.0021444,-0.0061728,-0.039192,-0.0212532,0.0070797,-0.001311,0.0010592,-0.005178,0.0056834,0.0114691,-0.0035042,-0.0005384,0.0070075,-0.0073474,0.0018716,-0.0041886,-0.000878,-0.0036149,0.0061221\nIran_neo:IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso,0.052359,0.064994,-0.124073,0.043282,-0.112636,0.019522,0.003995,-0.007615,-0.071992,-0.053031,0.009906,0.008842,0.001933,-0.017616,0.030673,0.055157,0.004824,-0.010769,0.010559,-0.029389,0.001123,-0.013231,-0.00493,-0.022413,0.025507\nS_AASI_Sim_Av,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0.039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946\nPOL_Globular_Amphora,0.1263436,0.1689961,0.0604725,-0.020045,0.0843053,-0.017849,0.0016865,0.0077916,0.0537897,0.0705682,0.0004012,0.0095386,-0.0161428,-0.0056101,-0.0098915,0.0004289,0.0045635,0.0068486,0.0062036,-0.000846,0.0091822,0.0078046,-0.013956,-0.0272541,0.0009228\nArmenian_Neo:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA,0.1024408,0.1561375,-0.060151,-0.0886638,-0.0199268,-0.031445,0.000235,-0.0111918,-0.0168732,0.0133942,0.0058868,0.0037092,-0.005872,0.0055735,-0.010145,-0.0030827,0.0078558,0.002312,0.0021367,0.0015632,3.13e-05,0.0051625,0.000616,-0.0043978,0.0011377\nArmenian_Neo:TUR_Alalakh_MLBA,0.0965915,0.1477595,-0.0603812,-0.091095,-0.0160713,-0.033645,0.0001241,-0.0058331,-0.0036814,0.0126755,0.0070233,-0.0040963,0.0071853,0.0044001,-0.0103034,0.0056314,-0.0008547,0.0020165,0.0045321,-0.0028764,0.0015355,0.004029,-0.0039062,-0.0026944,0.0010645"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\noh look car is broke\noh wait\nno it just plows\noh\ncool\nthanks\nGod\nwait\nme?\nwait\nGod\nwait\nnevermind\ncow"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nGlobular_Amphora:Iberia_North_CA,0.1348802,0.168324,0.062885,-0.0266475,0.0865545,-0.0193132,-0.0029962,0.005769,0.0692312,0.095583,-0.0002842,0.0192202,-0.0335972,-0.0178565,-0.003393,-0.003878,0.0024448,0.0026602,3.15e-05,-0.0033765,0.0159715,0.002102,-0.0174085,-0.041211,0.0055382\nIran_neo:IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566\nArmenian_Neo:ARM_Aknashen_N,0.099026,0.127957,-0.07995,-0.059432,-0.047393,-0.009203,0.0094,-0.004154,-0.051335,-0.014943,0.006333,0.003297,-0.009514,-0.003441,-0.001764,0.014585,0.027902,0.002787,0.009427,-0.006128,0.013476,0.003833,-0.003944,0.002892,0.004311"}, {"id": 34, "content": "Saka:_Kazakh_steppe,0.0827115,-0.119494,0.0580767,0.0433897,-0.0361603,0.0029283,-0.0001567,0.0024232,-0.0102945,-0.022324,-0.0142358,-0.0027233,0.004237,-0.024061,0.0140018,0.0099222,0.0010865,-0.0024703,-0.0015503,0.007962,-0.02167,0.0051317,-0.0050325,0.0035747,0.001277\nSaka:KAZ_Saka_TianShan_IA,0.0870748,-0.0870815,0.0529852,0.0511955,-0.038084,0.0131777,0.00141,-5.78e-05,-0.0126292,-0.0198183,-0.0055212,0.0025105,0.0039398,-0.023843,0.0180508,0.0066955,-0.006193,-0.0033258,-0.0001257,0.005534,-0.0157222,-0.002844,-0.002126,-0.0023495,-0.0007783\nLevant_PPNB,0.0720882,0.1645157,-0.0301695,-0.1367377,0.0302108,-0.063587,-0.0115545,-0.0098072,0.0782303,0.0370243,0.0169697,-0.0176592,0.0313178,0.0002982,-0.0227333,0.0035578,0.012886,-0.0006333,-0.0074582,0.0163827,-0.0028908,0.0062858,0.0012735,-0.007049,-0.0019558\nTarim_WSHG:CHN_Tarim_EMBA1,0.1024407,-0.1020145,0.0724415,0.2024339,-0.1150705,0.0468284,-0.0488607,-0.0607316,-0.0422248,-0.0966016,0.0281819,-0.0135289,0.0246371,-0.0711008,0.0259348,0.0231912,-0.0195695,-0.0016125,0.0011998,-0.0060484,-0.0502636,0.0072393,0.0237195,0.0138464,-0.0086437\nTarim_WSHG:CHN_Tarim_EMBA2,0.104717,-0.118817,0.078441,0.199938,-0.088016,0.05271,-0.041127,-0.053998,-0.035587,-0.086015,0.022572,-0.012739,0.02334,-0.052985,0.002443,0.02612,-0.003651,0.007095,-0.003771,-0.01013,-0.057773,0.011376,0.019843,0.02663,0.002155\ncopy paste all 4 comments there and run them."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>>31\n>>33\n>>34\nI'm Iranian, and I ran your model for myself. I'm starting to see we have nothing to do with the ancient Persians unlike the Tajiks and Yaghnobis, which is quite sad.\n\nTarget: Me\nDistance: 1.9178% / 0.01917795\n46.8 Armenian_Neo\n24.6 Iran_neo\n11.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n6.4 Globular_Amphora\n4.8 Levant_PPNB\n4.0 Saka\n1.8 Tarim_WSHG\n\nI guess I descend more from the Kingdom of Van."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThis what I get for the Yaghnobi average:\n\nTarget: Tajik_Yaghnobi\nDistance: 1.8397% / 0.01839729\n33.6 Iran_neo\n25.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n17.2 Saka\n14.8 Armenian_Neo\n4.2 Globular_Amphora\n2.8 Tarim_WSHG\n1.2 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n0.8 POL_Globular_Amphora"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nseems like pretty much the same, if you want you can remove the superlabels to get to know what specific groups it is picking ( i added some neolithic/bronze age anatolians with 0 steppe in the armenian neo label)"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nanyway, it's a common error for G25 to \"pump\" numbers if the mixture has affinity, this is a Estonian-Swedish-Georgian mixture i ran\n\nTarget: 30%Swedish__50%Eesti__20%Svaneti\nDistance: 4.0072% / 0.04007162\n55.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n40.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n2.2 Levant_PPNB\n1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.8 Wales_Meso_WHG\n0.6 GEO_CHG\n0.0 ARM_Aknashen_N\n0.0 BEL_GoyetQ2\n0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n0.0 Levant_Natufian_EpiP\n0.0 Onge\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n0.0 S_AASI_Sim_Av\n0.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n\n\nit shows \"more\" yamnaya than Estonians, swedes or georgians normally would, yet it definitely has less\n\nTarget: Georgian_Svaneti\nDistance: 2.4443% / 0.02444254\n55.4 GEO_CHG\n22.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n8.0 ARM_Aknashen_N\n7.6 Levant_PPNB\n5.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n1.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Estonian\nDistance: 6.7806% / 0.06780607\n40.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n33.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n24.0 RUS_Sidelkino_EHG\n2.4 Wales_Meso_WHG\n\n\nTarget: 30%Swedish__50%Eesti__20%Svaneti\nDistance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000\n50.0 Estonian\n30.0 Swedish\n20.0 Georgian_Svaneti"}, {"id": 39, "content": "Sicilians surprisingly don't get much steppe:\n\nTarget: Sicilian_West\nDistance: 1.9241% / 0.01924114\n37.2 POL_Globular_Amphora\n24.6 Armenian_Neo\n15.8 Iran_neo\n11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n10.8 Levant_PPNB\n0.4 Taiwanese\n\nTarget: Sicilian_East\nDistance: 2.0523% / 0.02052347\n50.4 Armenian_Neo\n31.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n4.8 Levant_PPNB\n0.8 Taiwanese"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>27\nYou didnt even know this well established fact from years old papers, i wouldnt trust you to know whats true or not"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nnot that surpising desu\nin general they get quite few\n\nTarget: Sicilian_East\nDistance: 1.8510% / 0.01851011\n35.0 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n31.6 ITA_Sicily_EN\n17.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n8.0 Levant_Natufian_EpiP\n7.8 POL_Globular_Amphora\n\nTarget: Sicilian_West\nDistance: 1.8189% / 0.01818905\n25.2 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n23.8 ITA_Sicily_EN\n20.4 POL_Globular_Amphora\n16.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n9.8 Levant_Natufian_EpiP\n4.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>26\nWhy do you continue to mix modern, medieval and ancient samples? Bullshitting possibly?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\nDon’t be sad you brown monkey. Ancient Armenians completely subdued and dominated the Arab world. Arabs are like 20% Ancient Armenian (South CHG-EEF) and 90% J Ydna.\nIf Iranians purged themselves of their pajeet elements they could be proper caucasians and lord it over the Muslims how they were replaced by Caucasian males."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nim just using neolithic, bronze and iron age? why wouldn't i? the source of a significant piece of Pamiri steppe are Sakas, a population mixed with Tarim basin West siberian hunter gatherers."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nYou'd have to use unmixed populations for me to take u srsly"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>30\n>>31\nSouthern Russian/Ukrainian reporting in\nTarget: Dmitry_scaled\nDistance: 5.6548% / 0.05654838\n48.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n46.8 POL_Globular_Amphora\n5.2 Tarim_WSHG"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>brown monkey.\nI'm not brown, and you just called me a monkey. If you're trying to make me feel better, you're not doing a good job, retard.\nAlso, I'd rather be brown and R1a-Z93 and lots of steppe admixture. I don't give a shit about superficial external appearance. For example, my cousin has blue eyes and blonde hair, but we don't get much steppe and we have T paternal haplogroup.\n>pajeet elements\nAncient Kushans had some pajeet elements, which is fine to me. Kushan Empire was the highest point of all IE cultures.\n\nAll of the Levant, Jews, and Semites should have been depopulated and eradicated in ancient times. Cyrus the Moron was the biggest fool in history freeing (((them))). I want nothing to do with them. I was hoping for deeper connections to Sogdians and Bactrians, which are my favorite ancient ethnic groups.\n\nAll of Abrahamism absolutely disgusts me. I want to LARP as a warrior under Kanishka the Great."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>35\n>>47\nwe do not yet have samples of ancient persians, only saka"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nKushan:I2292 is Persian. They were ~30% Sintashta with R paternal haplogroups."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>41\n>AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\nDoesn't it already contain some WSH/EHG?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>5.2\nПиздишь."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if yamnaya and their descendents weren't blonde/blue eyed/white, why are people with the highest steppe ancestry blonde/blue eyed/white\nThey selected for it in cold climate"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nkushan is kushan. we don't have sample from fars, ancient persian homeland"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>3\nWhat's you ethnicity?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nBegone, paki."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>30\n>>31\nAre these they coords you can download from the vahaduo site or davidski's?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>43\nArmenians, much like Romanians, spent their entire history getting raped and conquered. Arabs have 0% EEF ancestry and they conquered Armenians and raped them until they got J1 in them."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>Arabs have 0% EEF ancestry\nThey have 40%+"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>52\nwrong, descendents of ANE in the basin desert had blue eyes/blonde hair, and they didn't have european hunter gatherer ancestry."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nArabs have 0% EEF ancestry. In fact they raped EEF-rich people such as the Armenians and Berbers and made them slaves."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>5\n>>23\nAre you niggas making the distinction between Yamnaya and CWC? Because they looked fairly different from each other but also exactly like modern Europeans simultaneously."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\n>>60\nThey're more similar to EEF autosomally than IE/WHG but not EEF."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nArabs have 20% EEF from when CHG-EEF men invaded and established the first civilizations."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\n>>62\n>>60\nnatufians are EEF/EEF derived"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nthis, natufians are just EEF-Taforalt Octoroons.\n\n\nTarget: Levant_Natufian_EpiP\nDistance: 12.7004% / 0.12700413\n67.2 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic\n31.4 MAR_Taforalt\n1.4 WHG"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\n>>65\nEEF are Natufian-WHG hybrids.\n\nIn ADMIXTURE analysis AHG, AAF, and ACF are inferred as a mixture of two components that are each maximized in Natufians and WHG, consistent with their intermediate positions along PC1 in PCA (Supplementary Figure 1).\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6425003/"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nJoseph, no. You're 5% Natufian and 8% Yoruba."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nK analysis is outdated and gives meaningless results, such as Kostenki14, oldest and purest West eurasian on existence being a mixture of different components"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\n>mordvix\nEven worse lol\nYou are 45% Mongoloid 26% Churka 23% Semitic and only 5% IE. Even Darkwitch is more IE than you\n\nTarget: Mordvix-K36_Allelocator\nDistance: 8.6464% / 0.08646351\n45.2 RUS_Karelia_HG\n26.6 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n23.2 Levant_PPNB\n5.0 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n\nTarget: Darkwitch\nDistance: 4.4463% / 0.04446274\n48.0 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n32.6 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n11.4 RUS_Karelia_HG\n4.2 Onge\n3.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nMake a normal model or begone, negrito.\n(he will never make a normal model)"}, {"id": 71, "content": "pro;tip a \"normal\" model according to mordvix must include extinct hybrid populations like Barcin and Fatyanovo\n\nTarget: RUS_Fatyanovo_BA\nDistance: 6.4467% / 0.06446693\n50.4 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n22.6 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n16.8 Levant_PPNB\n10.2 RUS_Karelia_HG\n\nTarget: TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\nDistance: 11.0695% / 0.11069495\n69.8 Levant_PPNB\n28.2 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN\n2.0 RUS_Karelia_HG"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>0.06446693\n>0.11069495\n>>69\n>0.08646351\n>0.04446274\nNegrito..."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>5.0 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\n>32.6 RUS_Khvalynsk_En\nK Negrito-descended sisters..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I never understood the difference between Buddhism and Hinduism. I sometimes read about it but then I immediately forget because it's not distinctive and clear enough.\n\nAnyone who solved this question? Not looking for superficial distinctions that are not fundamentally meaningful."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuddhism springs from the Hindu world and ethos, but doesn't concern itself with gods or religion or any concern for overall cosmology as such. It's only interested in relieving human suffering - starting with oneself and the and desires that are at the root of suffering."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Buddhism springs from the Hindu world and ethos\nDo you mean historically? Like Christianity springs from Judaism and Protestantism from Catholicism?\n>but doesn't concern itself with gods or religion\nThis is where I get confused. Surely there are Buddhist temples, rituals, and monks so it can't be that they don't concern themselves with religion.\n>or any concern for overall cosmology as such.\nConcern for cosmology how? Do they not care about the universe?\n>It's only interested in relieving human suffering - starting with oneself and the and desires that are at the root of suffering.\nWould they agree with this though or would they say it's overly simplistic? Don't Hindus care about relieving suffering too? It can't be that the difference is just that one cares more about rituals and the universe and the other cares more about the human and their suffering. It feels like a quantitative difference rather than a qualitative difference."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>This is where I get confused. Surely there are Buddhist temples, rituals, and monks so it can't be that they don't concern themselves with religion.\nIt's practical. Those are their homes. kek.\nThat said, there isn't exactly a \"pure\" expression of Buddhism the way Buddha taught it. Even Theravada, which is the most \"fundamentalist\" of schools. Usually the people sort of adopt a two tier system where they retain some hint of old folk religions or animism, with Buddhism addressing issues of ultimate karma and Buddhists still believing in all kinds of other things on top of it. Like Thailand and Japan have elements of animism (Shinto in Japan) where they still believe in various spirits and you have to account for their own peculiar rules here."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHinduism: the universe is ultimately God; you're ultimately an eternal soul; that eternal soul needs to reunite with God\n\nBuddhism: the entire material universe is an ignorant delusion; there is no you outside of your own concocted delusion; ultimate reality is free of delusion, but also completely incomprehensible so its hard to pin point what it is."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Buddhism springs from the Hindu world and ethos\nits more complicated than that; hinduism as in what we have today is very different to what existed in eastern india in 500bc; and has itself been influenced by Buddhism quite extensively.\n>>3\n>Christianity springs from Judaism and Protestantism from Catholicism?\nthat isn't correct because see above comment. Hinduism contains many reactions against buddhism and vice versa.\n>Surely there are Buddhist temples, rituals, and monks so it can't be that they don't concern themselves with religion.\nin Theravada Buddhism, the temples are just where the monks live, the monks are just practicing for themselves and the local people buy into the rituals and religions just as a way of eventually being reborn as someone with the wherewithall to be a monk.\nIn Mahayana (and Vajrayana), they co-opted a much more hindu approach of believing in celestial buddhas who need to be worshipped for whatever eason.\n>cosmology\nIn Hinduism the cosmology of where Gods are located is of utmost importance since worshipping Gods is the point of the religion\nIn Buddhism its of secondary importance, because Gods are not that important.\n>over simplistic\nno its the point of the fundamental creed of Buddhism (4 noble truths).\n>Hindus care... too\nthey do but to some degree that is possibly a reaction to Buddhism and to another degree its not quite as mundane as Buddhism since it involves reuniting a soul with a God, rather than just sitting there fading out as a person.\n\nfor the real difference see here;\n>>5"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Buddhism is a philosophy. Buddhism lives in the hindu mythos, but it just as easily lives in the traditional chinese mythos or in theory a greek pagan mythos"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hinduism: the world is ruled by demons, here is how you try and beat it\n>Buddhism: the world is ruled by demons, the only winning move is to not play."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Hinduism and Mahayana, Zen, Vajaryana are a monistic Universalism: the totality exists and nothing else. There is no multiplicity, everything is absolutely identical. This is qualified of ''acosmatic''\nThey mix this view with a huge amount of symbols, incantations, rituals, worship, idolatry, mantras, deities, chanting,entertainment reading with lengthy Scriptures with thousands of verses, sacrifice and sacred objects, and rules for lay people in order to create a religion.\nFor the Hindus and mahayanists, people have the knowledge that they have a true nature, but people are misguided on what they take as their true nature. This is why the Hindus say that people are already enlightened, they just do not know about it... The true nature of people is not the 5 senses or their objects, but the mind itself with the world [loka] itself identified with the cosmos, or their deification of this, ie their Brahma or their Buddha or non-duality, and when people realize this they are enlightened. The way to realize this is by relying on lots of sacrifice, chantings and rituals, also on material objects which magically purify the minds for them, like sounds, logic, mantras, little beads, amulets.\nMahayana-Hinduism tries to make a human society, some political system too.\n\nIt is only when there is a allegedly good creator [a god or just ''nature''] that it makes sense to ask the usual question ''why the cosmos produce things which do not know that they are the cosmos?'' ie ''why some good god did not get people to be born directly enlightened? instead of being born unenlightened which produces lots of suffering?''\nSo far the Hindus have no answer to this ''problem of evil''. The Hindus keep replying with their main thesis, ie ''because people do not know their true nature, which is pure primordial mind and cannot be described'' and that's their pathetic cope..."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\nin Buddhism, there is no non-duality, people do not have a true nature, people are not the cosmos, people are not Brahma, people do not come from Brahma, people are not nibanna, people do not come from nibanna, people are not Buddha, people do not come from a buddha, people are not their mind, people are not loka, people are not born already enlightened. In Buddhism there is only craving for pretty things and the pretty ideas of having ''a true nature'', and there is the opposite: a lack of craving for pretty things and pretty ideas. People get enlightened when they stop craving for those. The way to get enlightened is to purify the mind, however not with useless incantations and rituals nor with magical objects, nor worship, unlike the Hindus do, but with the mind itself, ie all the time inclining [with the mind] the mind towards what the buddha calls good qualities and then directly knowing the mind as it really is, which is anicca, dukkha, anatta [contrary to what the hindus say], which is the condition for dispassion, dispassion which is the condition for liberation, liberation which is the condition for direct knowledge that dukkha is ended."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>It's practical. Those are their homes. kek.\nI still can't believe they don't engage in rituals at all. I had a Buddhist friend who'd go to temple to pray etc. You're making it sound like there's no organization at all but surely there must be. Otherwise, who even establishes the beliefs and what they mean?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nThese don't sound really contradictory at all. Once the hindu eternal soul reunites with God it can be considered the material universe and ego disappeared like in your Buddhist description. In other words, it sunds like they both believe in the same thing but Hinduists wait for it patiently while Buddhists try to hurry it up."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>that isn't correct because see above comment. Hinduism contains many reactions against buddhism and vice versa.\nWell that doesn't really change that it spawned from it. Christianity influenced rabbinic judaism too, and protestantism influenced catholicism, etc.\n>in Theravada Buddhism, the temples are just where the monks live, the monks are just practicing for themselves and the local people buy into the rituals and religions just as a way of eventually being reborn as someone with the wherewithall to be a monk.\nAre you saying only monks escape the rebirth cycle so every Buddhist's goal is to become a monk? And a monk is someone who follows no regular rituals but just meditates?\n>In Mahayana (and Vajrayana), they co-opted a much more hindu approach of believing in celestial buddhas who need to be worshipped for whatever eason.\nOk so that makes it sound like a regular religion, so I'm back at not knowing the difference desu.\n>no its the point of the fundamental creed of Buddhism (4 noble truths).\nOk to be honest what I can tell so far is that it seems they are both rather compatible beliefs but their paths/application is different: one is more ritualistic the other is more individualistic. But they both seem to believe in reincarnation and wanting to escape this cycle to unite with God or to escape delusion but still the same thing fundamentally. Just different emphasis. Almost like different Christian denominations."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>here is how you try and beat it\nBeat it how? Like in Christianity?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nHindus are less patient about it. Hindus believe that Bhakti (ie just devout worship) reunites you with God.\n\nWhereas Buddhists believe it takes quite a few rebirths and austere practices with no guarantees.\n>>13\n>spawned from it\nBuddhism spawned from the Indian religious mileau, but not from Vedism or Hinduism directly.\n>Are you saying only monks escape the rebirth cycle so every Buddhist's goal is to become a monk?\npretty much, although there are examples of lay persons achieving it but its obviously much much much more difficult.\n>a monk is someone who follows no regualr rituals but just meditates\nthere are rituals monks follow to do with their monastic discipline code. however these are essentially just seen as necessary steps to follow the path correctly.\n>Mahayana/Vajrayana\nthese are very similar to Hinduism.\n>compatible beliefs\nno because Hinduism thinks there is an ultimate thing underlying reality, whereas Buddhism basically just negates everything, including the distinction between reality and nonreality.\n\nThey differ considerably in practice; philosophy; scriptural authority and even personalities.\n\nThe religion which is really just a spinoff of Hinduism, is Sikhism.\nBut Buddhism is actually philosophically diametrically opposed to Hinduism. You can't just handwave away the fact that one is positting an ultimate substance underlying reality; and the other is negating such a thing."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>I still can't believe they don't engage in rituals at all.\nHe has no idea what he is talking about. This website is not a good resource for these kinds of questions."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nBuddhist rituals are like:\n>Offering the monks cloth\n>Taking/Renewing your moral precepts with the monks\n>Retreating from the rain to meditate even more\n>Going to listen to a monk speak\n>Bowing before the Buddha as a mark of respect for his person and teachings\n\nHindu ritauls are like:\n>Waving ghee candles in front of the Deity\n>Offering food to the deity\n>Putting the deity to sleep\n>Putting coconuts and wood into the holy fire as an incantation to the deity"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nI'm hapa and my mom is Buddhist. I'm not some Westerner who got it from books divorced from the cultures where it inhabits. They never truly rid themselves of the local ritualism and belief in local spirits. There's no \"Buddhist\" specific reason that some monk, for example, is tatted up with \"magic spells\" or people pray to their dead family members or say the house down the street is protected by some spirit. This is animism. Not Buddhism."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSimple answer, Hinduism is a polytheistic religion rooted in ancient Indian traditions, with an emphasis on dharma (duty) and various gods, whereas Buddhism, founded by Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha), is a nontheistic path focused on achieving enlightenment through mindfulness and the cessation of suffering. Both have concepts like karma and reincarnation, but their core beliefs and practices differ significantly."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nOk that's interesting so would you agree that there's a fundamental ontological difference in these religions? But I'm not clear what it is: are your saying Hinduism accepts there's a reality beyond what we experience similar to how Christianity sees the world? But Buddhism things that the world is appearances, but \"appearances\" of nothing? So nothing exists? If that's the case I'm starting to wonder how ontological different Hinduism is from Christianity? I always thought Hinduism was pantheistic, but people here have been saying it's polytheistic."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIn Hinduism the ultimate reality of God is an affirmative thing. In most variations of Hinduism it interracts with the World, ie sending avatars or at least being receptive to the worship of devotees.\n\nBut in Buddhism the ultimate nature of reality is literally incomprehensible, beyond 'being' or 'nonbeing' or 'existence' and 'nonexistent'. It isn't an entity like a God or a substance per se. It doesn't interact with anything.\n\nThe reason for the superficial similarity is that Advaita Vedanta Hinduism sort of borrowed a lot of philosophy from Madhyamaka Buddhism and ended up formulating a similar sounding theology except replacing this ineffable ultimate reality that intellectually comes from the end of a series of negations; with Brahman (God) which is an affirmed thing.\nBut that is due to later developments in both religions; and these are very philosophical takes on both religions. However they are essentially at the root of the matter."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>However they are essentially at the root of the matter.\nHow do you think that is? There is here in what you say a similarity between cataphatic and apophatic theology in Christianity (Western vs Eastern). But not sure if the same differences carries there?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuddhism is Sramana tradition that got reformed by Buddha, Sramana is non-violent tradition that bases itself around dedication. Modern day sramana traditions are Jainism and Buddhism. Buddha is believed to be ascended BEYOND gods and therefore gods are not center of focus but Buddha is.\nHinduism is unity of local Indo-European beliefs, but it has pre-Indo-European roots. It eventually got standardized in these sects\nShakhtism (neolithic goddess worship)\nVaishnavism (Vishnu as supreme being, centered around worshipping Brish i heroes. Greek influence)\nShaivism (Shiva as supreme being, obsessed with death)\nSmarta (Taoism but Hindu)\nanything out of ordinary are considered nastika (heretic or infidel), including sramana ehich includes Buddhism"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nThey are not contradictory at all. I believe they describe the same phenomenological experience. The difference is that, historically, only the Brahman priest class were allowed to know the secret rituals which would supposedly bring themselves close to Brahma. Buddhism, however, or at the very least the teachings of Sakyamuni Buddha himself, teaches that giving is the greatest gift and that any practitioner can join the path of the bodhisattva through right worship and right discipline. Interestingly, Buddhism still places a lot of value on wealth and grandeur, and being reborn in a wealthy family is still considered fortunate. The Buddha himself was said to have the \"distinguishing marks\" of a man close to enlightenment, i.e. tall, beautiful eyes, smooth skin, etc. But still, even this great fortune is supposed to be given up by the bodhisattva, as all attachment to material wealth creates suffering.\n\nAlthough, like another anon said, there's much disagreement over whether nirvana can be reached in one lifetime or many. And some Buddhists, such as Pure Land Buddhists, seek to reach the \"Pure Land\" which is a kind of heaven, within this lifetime, so that when they are reborn there, they can easily use it as a stepping stone to nirvana. In Mahayana, a frequent goal is to also become enlightened and then stay in Samsara to help bring others out of it.\n\nThe anon who said Buddhism does not concern itself with Cosmology was wrong. Many Buddhists probably don't in practice, but there is a vast literature of scripture about the different realms of rebirth: heavens, hells, etc. And the Buddhist universe is far older than any scientific or Western religious conception, with many different aeons and cycles."}, {"id": 25, "content": "Hinduism, Mahayana, Vajrayana say that ''you've always have been already enlightened'' and they also are bound to observe there is suffering, just like everybody who ever lived. They fail to explain how being already enlightened generates suffering. Those idiots started their religions 2000 years ago and they still have no answer to this.\n\nDon't forget that those people keep saying they are the most enlightened people of all time. They literally say they hacked their minds to access the secrets of God, of the universe and of life itself. And what is their answer to the ''problem of evil''' after they declare that ''you are already enlightened''? Here it is, the thing that most people want to know about, the greatest answer of all time, by the most enlightened gurus of all time :\n>well gee there is suffering that's true, i guess huh, gee idk, it's just the way it is, IT JUST IS OKAYYYY\n\nAt least the Jews put some effort with their stupidity of ''free will'' and their sadistic Jewish God shit testing the Jews (member the ''kill your son for me, the jew god'', lmao) and their goys.\nBut no, not the self-declared enlightened gurus who keep spouting that ''everybody is born already enlightened'' lol.\n\nAnd don't forget that their audience is so braindead they have no problem with this. Over 2000 years, The billions of Poos, the Billions of bugs all over Asia and apparently now even the western roasties \"who fucking love spirituality\" say it is just completely fine for the gurus who say they ended suffering to declare ''geee there is suffering it's just the way it is. By the way my own enlightened mind told me that it's totally true there is some primordial awareness, you just don't know it yet''. LOL."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nWhat does the phenomenological experience have to do with it though? Is it not meant to be something beyond experience?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDualistic Hinduism and Theravada Buddhism are very different.\nNon-dualistic Hinduism and Mahayana on the other hand have a very fine line separating them."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nWhat's that fine line?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Is everything a thing or nothing?\nThat's literally it."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Both religions have many shared beliefs and practices, but also pronounced differences that have led to much debate. Both share belief in karma and rebirth (or reincarnation), they both accept the idea of spiritual liberation (moksha, nirvana) from the cycle of reincarnation and they both promote similar religious practices (such as dhyana, samadhi, mantra, and devotion). Both religions also share many deities (though their nature is understood differently), including Saraswati, Vishnu (Upulvan), Mahakala, Indra, Ganesh and Brahma.\n\nHowever, Buddhism notably rejects fundamental Hindu doctrines such as atman (substantial self or soul), Brahman (a universal eternal source of everything) and the existence of a creator God (Ishvara). Instead, Buddhism teaches not-self (anatman) and dependent arising as fundamental metaphysical theories."}, {"id": 31, "content": "buddhism is based\nhinduism is cringe\nany more questions?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nyeah why?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\nThe actual meditative praxis of both Buddhism and Hinduism and the conclusions drawn from it reflect the same experience of a loss of self. They construct a metaphysics around this accordingly."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When you could safely stop calling the Empire based around Constantinople Roman and start calling it Byzantine? Or do you believe you could call it Roman until 1453."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nByzantine is a modern term so never.\nI guess you could call it simply \"Constantinople\" after they lost Anatolia, which is what people did at the time."}, {"id": 3, "content": "when they destroyed italy, including rome"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSo you'd mark Justinian's reign as the end of Rome?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwith Constantine I."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter justinian it was basically just a rump state that retained some roman culture"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish call themselves English despite living on other end of the North Sea from former Angles. Why shouldn't East Romans be called Romans?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen Latin stopped being official"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen Justinian took the throne, another solid point is the end of Justinians plague which eroded most old Roman institutions and allowed Justinian to implement an eastern style of rulership since the urban population was hit the hardest and this is where the Romans lived in the east"}, {"id": 10, "content": "I always refer to it as \"Eastern Rome.\" It recognizes the fact that the empire in question was the entity that was called \"Eastern Rome\" during the time of the Roman Empire while also acknowledging that it's more complicated than simply calling it \"The Roman Empire,\" because it has lost the West and, of course, Rome itself."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1204"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nYes. Anastasius was the last good Emperor."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nByzantine is not an actual term. You can use it when you are specifically trying to talk about the eastern roman empire as its own thing without needing to reference the older roman empire. There are periods where reference to the older empire are unnecessary to understand what was going on but even in 1453 if you believe the recorded speech of the emperor was accurate he was still making reference to Hannibal's elephants to draw comparison to what was going on. Use the term when trying to speak of the later entity in isolation but understand that there are periods of waxing and waning of how important they themselves viewed the earlier history and it is not a clear trajectory of them getting \"more byzantine\" and \"less roman\" as time goes on."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever, it was always Roman. When you look at the thread and see all the bullshit points people put down to try and fit Rome down to what they idealistically want it to be, its best to just recognise the fact that the empire evolved over time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Long time no see pal"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nJapan remembered The Alamo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nOne hundred fifty are besieged by five thousand;\nNot only the provisions but the ammunition is all gone.\nThirty-two men hear the news and hurry to the scene.\nThe heavy strokes of their sabers lead them into the fortress, through the ranks of the enemy to see\nThe commander of the fortress wet with blood,\nAnd his men reeling against the walls with exhaustion but with swords in hand.\nNow comes the dauntless South Carolinian,\nKnowing that if he does not answer duty's call, disgrace and shame will be his.\nReturning he rides into the siege on a white charger,\nSalutes the besieged with a smile, and says, \"We die together.\"\nThey bind up their wounds and fight in higher spirits.\nSpeak not of the bravery of Chang Hsun at Suiyang, for here the one hundred and eighty-two corpses were laid; not one surrendered.\nThe people of the twenty-four states get inspiration thereby,\nAnd learn for the first time that unanimous cooperation is superior to geographical advantage.\nWhy should they be mourned? For the dauntless, it is not a pain but a pleasure to cover an obstruction miles long.\nLo! the mouth of the river once occupied by the enemy is in the possession of the T' ang!\nNow I am on a journey, far away from my home across the ocean.\nI have come to San Antonio, where there are bushes of the graceful oleander.\nAnd, as in a dream, I wonder if this is the very spot where that dreadful bloodshed took place in years gone by.\nYou do not see Chang Hsun, Hsu Yuan, and Nan Chiyun (David Crockett, Bowie, and Bonham)\nBut their fame, like the blossom's fragrance, is still in the air.\nThe custom of the West does not necessarily condemn surrender.\nWhy? We have never heard of a commander destroyed,\nBut here in the state of Texas, we see one (Travis).\nIn spirit there is not a distinction between East and West.\nYou need not wonder, then, if I drink a toast to your memory!\nI have brought a well-polished stone from Japan,\nAnd commemorate your heroic deeds with this humble inscription."}, {"id": 5, "content": "King of the Hill taught me one of my countrymen fought at the Alamo."}, {"id": 6, "content": "They always ask if am from hell"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\ny'all can go to hell, i'm going to texas."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I’m going to post this every day until you remember it\nProve it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if a single T-34, fully equipped, was sent back to the United States in January 1915? What would've happened?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It would break down."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHmmm."}, {"id": 4, "content": "It would get picked apart and change the course of tank development."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople would avoid it till it ran out of gas"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean where specifically? The badlands of Wyoming? They probably wouldn't find it until 1932\nBTW fully equipped doesn't mean fully manned so any yahoo can just hop in it and try to learn how to drive it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be reverse engineered but they would apply it's workings to other projects long before they tried to recreate it."}, {"id": 8, "content": "probably ruined and\"improved\" and cheaper version would be built by incompetent amerilards, so not much changed"}, {"id": 9, "content": "They reverse engineer it and sell it to France and the war ends in 1916"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nLet's say it appears outside the White House."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the ancient Romans leave any genetic traces in Southern Germany?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Well, what do you think?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nno, Southern Germany was actually more Med than Romans when the Romans were around, the people the Romans encountered in the Bavarian Alps were more like Sardinians than Romans were. Germanic men replaced them largely and largely replaced the Romans living in Northern Italy.\nThe Renaissance only ever happened in the former Germanic kingdoms where royal houses were founded by Germanic ruling nobles."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI'm pretty sure all the sardinian like people got exterminated by CWC thousands of years prior. Southern Germany during antiquity was inhabited by celtic tribes who were obviously the diametrical opposite of EEF"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nnot german"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nDoesn't look very mediterranean"}, {"id": 7, "content": "kys"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nKek"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>Nordoid think this is what avg med look likes\nNice fantasy faggot"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nthey got italians to play mexicans and nobody told the difference"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nKeep posting retard shit"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nnot as retarded as you are"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nburn alive"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nOk"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did the ancient Romans leave any genetic traces in Southern Germany?\nYes, but it's probably negligible.\n>>2\nLooks central European\n>>3\n>the people the Romans encountered in the Bavarian Alps were more like Sardinians than Romans were\n?\n>>10\nMany Mexicans are white"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\n>Nordoid\nEvery race thread on /his/ is made by latin americans"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Every race thread on /his/ is made by latin americans\nAnd indians"}, {"id": 18, "content": "No, but southern german alpine celts were similar to modern iberians, since they lived in mountains indoeuropean invasions, altough replaced their ydna, didn't striked them genetically in a big way like other people. Think about pamiris vs mongol invasions, Basques vs bell beakers, Tibetans vs Han chinese, Andeans vs Iberians, Caucasians vs basically anyone, etc. Mountains are the best genetic protection"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>alpine\nIt's the OG Celtic type, all unmixed Celts looked so. Identically to Romans."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nCorrect but romans were more EEF compared to celts"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nand chinks"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKai Havertz looks Jewish to me"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was he the only post-soviet leader who didn’t go full autism with neoliberalism? What made him different ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the only post-soviet leader\nFalse. The central Asians weren't neoliberal either."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nRedpill me on the economics of Central Asia."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Belarus (White Russia) is based"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nWell Turkmenistan is literally run by a North Korean tier cult with the same goofy types of rules regarding worship of dear leader. It’s just no one knows about them because they have no power projection to threaten anywhere the western world gives a shit about."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>President for life Saparmurat Niyazov, a former bureaucrat of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, ruled Turkmenistan from 1985, when he became head of the Communist Party of the Turkmen SSR, until his death in 2006. He ruled with totalitarian control over the country after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. On 28 December 1999 the Mejlis (parliament) declared Niyazov President for Life. (The Mejlis itself had taken office only a week earlier in elections that included only candidates hand-picked by President Niyazov; no opposition candidates were allowed.)\n\n>Prior to 2008, the authorities permitted only a single political party, the Democratic Party of Turkmenistan. Political gatherings are illegal unless government sanctioned.\n\n>All citizens must carry internal passports, noting place of residence—a practice carried over from the Soviet era. Movement into and out of the country, as well as within its borders, is difficult. Turkmenistan is dominated by a pervasive cult of personality extolling the late president Niyazov as Türkmenbaşy (\"Head Turkmen\"), a title he assumed in 1993. His face adorned many everyday objects, from banknotes to bottles of vodka. The logo of Turkmen national television was his profile. The two books he wrote were mandatory reading in schools, and public servants were quizzed yearly about their knowledge of their contents. They were also common in shops and homes. Many institutions were named after Niyazov's mother. All watches and clocks made had to bear his portrait printed on the dial-face. A giant 15-meter (50 ft) tall gold-plated statue of Niyazov stood on a rotating pedestal in Ashgabat, so it would always face the sun and shine light onto the city."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nA slogan popular in Turkmen propaganda was \"Halk! Watan! Türkmenbashy!\" (\"People! Motherland! Head of Turkmen!\"). Niyazov renamed the days of the week after members of his family and wrote the new Turkmen national anthem/oath himself.\n\nForeign companies seeking to exploit Turkmenistan's vast natural gas resources cooperated with Niyazov since he also controlled access to the natural resources. His book, Ruhnama (or Rukhnama, 2001 and 2004), which was revered in Turkmenistan almost like a holy text, has been translated into 41 languages[6] as of 2008 and distributed for free among major international libraries.[7] Niyazov once proclaimed that anyone who reads this book three times will \"become more intelligent, will recognise the divine being and will go straight to heaven\""}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nits Belarus, not Belarossiya\nRus =/= Rossiya\n>>1 (OP)\ncause he was a hardline USSR loyalist and he capitalised on the economic woes after independence, and could hardly be stopped since unlike ukraine, belarus identity was successfully opressed and never really given time to be reestablished after independence, so by comparison luka had pretty much no one to appease; even yanukovych, despite having berkut shoot niggas and hiring shills, never really tried to go full on authoritarian and RU side until the very end, there were lots of TV channels repping Maidan and he did nothing about it, whereas in Belarus that would just be stamped out.\nso in turn, majority of belarus economy is state owned (aka luka and cronies owned) and kept afloat by russian gibs"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSo Belarus has better economy and no nazis? Cool"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>better economy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>its Belarus, not Belarossiya\nBái'èluósī - 白俄羅斯 /白俄罗斯 (Mandarin Chinese), Báiluósī - 白羅斯 /白罗斯 (Mandarin Chinese variant), Baltarusija or Gudija (Lithuanian), Baltkrievija (Latvian), a' Bhealaruis (Scots Gaelic), Belarus (Breton, Dutch, Malay, Romanian, Vietnamese), Belāruš - বেলারুশ (Bengali), Belarus - Бeлapyc (Bulgarian), Belarus - בלרוס /Rusiya ha'Levana - רוסיה הלבנה (Hebrew), Belarus - බෙලරුස් (Sinhala), Belarus - เบลารุส (Thai), Belarusi - ბელარუსი (Georgian, Mingrelian), Belarusia - Բելարուսիա (Armenian), Belarusia (Indonesian), Belarūsyā - بيلاروسيا (Arabic), Belarusz or Fehéroroszország (Hungarian), Belarws (Welsh), Bellaruseu/Pellarusŭ - 벨라루스 (Korean), Bjellorusia (Albanian), Belorūs - बेलोरूस (Hindi), Belorusija (Slovene), Belorusija - Бeлopycијa (Macedonian, Serbian), Belorusio (Esperanto), Belorusiya (Azeri), Bělorusko (Czech), Belorussia or Byelorussia (former English), Belorussiya - Бeлopyccия (Russian), Berarūshi - ベラルーシ (Japanese), Beyaz Rusya (Turkish), an Bhealarúis (Irish), Białoruś (Polish), Biełaruś - Бeлapycь (Belarusian), Bielorrusia (Basque, Spanish), Bielorrússia (Portuguese), Bielorusko (Slovak), Bielorússia or Rússia Blanca (Catalan), Bielo-Rússia (Portuguese variant), Bielorussia (Italian, Romansh), Biélorussie (French), Biyelorusya (Filipino/Tagalog), Bilarus (Quechua), Bilorus' - Бiлopycь (Ukrainian), Bjelorusija (Bosnian, Croatian), Hviderusland (Danish), Hvítarussland (Faroese), Hvíta-Rússland (Icelandic), Hviterussland (Norwegian), il-Belarussja (Maltese), Lefkorosía - Λευκορωσία (Greek), Pilarusi (Inuktitut), Rússia Branca (Portuguese alternate), Russie Blanche (French alternate), Ruthenia Alba (Latin), 'Shuklarāsyā - शुक्लरास्या (Sanskrit), Weißrussland (German), Weißruthenien (German, before 1945), Wit-Rusland (Afrikaans, Dutch alternate), Wittrussland (Low Saxon), Belarûsistan (Kurmanji/Northern Kurdish), பெலாரசு[romanization needed] (Tamil)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nRossiia is a greek translation of Rus. Where is it in the official title of Belarus? The modern state of Russia uses that translation to claim itself as a direct successor to Rus and Orthodoxy. It is grossly erroneous to insert that term when referring to either Rus' or its sucessor states of Belarus and Ukraine."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nLmfao at antifaggots acting like they’re on the same level as legitimate governments"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nCompare with Ukraine, a similar country that:\nDid hardcore neoliberalism\nDidn't get a huge western bailout to stop them from collapsing afterwards"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTajikistan, Kazakhstan, and especially Turkmenistan would beg to differ"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Tajikistan, Kazakhstan,\nWhat were their economies like?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nNigger renamed the days of the week."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHes not post soviet, hes soviet. He never renigged and Belarus is basically a soviet union save point"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>Russian Federation\n>legitimate government\nloving every laugh"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause he actually cares about his country. he is pro-belarus, not pro-russia or anyone else. he works with the west or the east whenever it benefits him. liberals hate him because he allowed civilians to democratically vote in support for certain things like government executions"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>my headcanon says Russian government is not legitimate because they make me angry\nNTA but you need to grow up"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I was born and raised RC and remain so to this day, for a long time I followed these debates online and even considered switching to Orthodoxy, but I'm just tired of being on the fence. The way I see it is this: All of us, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox have apostolic succession, valid sacraments and rich traditions, sure we disagree on some finer points of doctrine and on ecclesiology, but we all have the essentials of the faith, and that's enough for me. Instead of autistically researching every aspect of the filioque like I used to, I decided to just settle down, pray, go to church and accept that I don't know everything, to me we're all in the same body of Christ despite these differences. Am I wrong?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou are not wrong. The hate against other Chrisitans should be ceased unless they are aiming for fight between brothers.\nI dont say we should do ecumenism, what I am saying is if one's main aim is not dealing with bigger problem (communism, apostasy, satanism...) that exiss currently then the one aims not for solution but for revenge. Which is a pagan error."}, {"id": 3, "content": "insane that you don't realize you sound like a fucking loser."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhy? I'm just tired of the incessant debates and arguments, I just want to be in peace and not in doubt constantly."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nyet another evidence that people who promote the \"Caths/Orthos bad!\" threads are just hateful people and dont yearn for a solution."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>I dont say we should do ecumenism, what I am saying is if one's main aim is not dealing with bigger problem (communism, apostasy, satanism...) that exiss currently then the one aims not for solution but for revenge. Which is a pagan error.\nI already do this is practice, I hope this sentiment wins out ultimately because we have demonic worship starting to unironically pop up in the North American Continent."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>ecumenism\nIt's not a bad word, if done as the Lord wants it. We should always pray to find what that is. Out of all the things that Jesus prayed for before the crucifixion, it was that his disciples would be one. And it's also the greatest witness.\n>“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.\"-John 17:20-22\nHave a good day, bros."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMatthew 10:34-36\nIsaiah 48:22\nthere can be no peace with evil-doers, heretics. But main aim of struggle should first be godless people as they are the main threat for souls, then later we should deal internal problems."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWe're not talking about evildoers though. At worst, what each of us (depending) sees as wonky doctrine. This is the proverbial mite in the brother's eye. At least how I see it.\nIf you're talking about actual evil actions - especially the kind that are happening at that very moment, sure, that can't be ignored."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is it always Catholics coming up with this dishonest ecumenical attitude to us every other century? We don't accept you, we don't believe in your pope, we think you strayed away from the faith, and we don't need you. There's no ecumenism, all our elders were decidedly opposed to it. Why do you insist? We don't care your pope is an antichrist and your priests are pedophiles and Protestants hate you. We are not interested in anything you have to offer, our faith is complete and we don't need anything else. If you want to convert you're always most welcome, otherwise we don't care about your propositions, your views, and your attempts to \"discuss\"."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI don't know what that has to do with my post. My question for you would be why are online Orthodox always angry and ready to insult us? I made no comment about converting Orthodox to Catholicism, I simply said I don't care anymore, you do your thing, I do mine, and we are all brothers in Christ, that's it. No need to get all worked up about this."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe honest reality is that the Catholics need the Orthodox but the Orthodox do not need the Catholics. They know if things continue they will wither as Protestants and Satanists consume their lands. The Catholics could just convert but have too much pride at their history and don't really know what jurisdiction they would fall into anyway.\nSo that is why you see these weird half-hearted attempts at \"ecumenical debate\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>We're not talking about evildoers though.\neveryone is evildoer\nRomans 3:10-12\nthe evil of heretics is special because they are doing evil of heresy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's no god, Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is on the decline."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Orthodox do not need the Catholics\nyes, instead you guys need Muslims who you kneeled to for centuries\n>>14\n>Christianity is on the decline.\nand"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nThis is so wrong. The debate is much more complex than this and it doesn't come down to just \"pride\" on the part of Catholics, I'm simply not entirely convinced by Orthodox arguments but also see that there are problems with Catholics ones. Instead of staying confused and in doubt, I just decided to remain Catholic and I see no problem with that, in fact, I admire the Orthodox, their theology and their beautiful liturgy, I even attend an Eastern Catholic church from time to time, there is no need for hate here."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>yes, instead you guys need Muslims who you kneeled to for centuries\n>You guys\nI'm Catholic. And yes, for centuries the Orthodox were brutally subjugated by the Ottomans outside of perhaps Romania and Russia. But now that the USSR has collapsed we are drifting back to the period that was starting to happen with the Russian Tzardom where Eastern Orthodoxy is making inroads into the Anglosphere and the only question left will be if the Ukraine-Russia schism derails their influence again"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nI'm not saying this out hate, merely describing the situation as I currently see it\n>Instead of staying confused and in doubt, I just decided to remain Catholic and I see no problem with that\nWhich is understandable, as conversion between sects is more of a Protestant thing anyway\n>I even attend an Eastern Catholic church from time to time\nMany of them will see that as an insult, as they don't think that Church should exist as it is artifact from the time the Pope was trying to get Orthodox to convert to Catholicism by preserving their rites."}, {"id": 19, "content": "https://youtu.be/7o7UGLTauHI [Embed]"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nHow do Catholics respond to this?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBefore Vatican II, I would have 100% been an Eastern Orthodox because of the Papacy's corruption.\n\nHowever, at the actual state the 2 churches are almost identical.\nEven worse, some Orthodox churches, like the Russian one, are becoming contaminated by politics like Catholicism in the past."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThe difference is obvious to anyone that's not a papist: if some of the Orthodox hierarchs are corrupt they can just be disregarded because they have no power. Orthodoxy is simply formally superior, it's not just an ecclesiological detail like OP likes to lie to himself. There are many more such \"details\" but there's no point in discussing them."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nBut the pope can be disregarded if he's corrupt, catholics just believe that he cannot teach heresy. Also, isn't this lack of centralization what is causing the whole mess with the Russian church?"}, {"id": 24, "content": "I agree frens.\nKyrie Eleison"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nIt's already heretical to believe a human can be infallible. And decentralisation or centralisation doesn't solve these issues, you're a child. Decentralisation is a defense mechanism just like Mount Athos because we're not children and actually have something to defend until the second coming."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nThe pope is infallible only on narrow dogmatic statements. When it comes to immigrants Sarah and Schneider are on the \"right\"."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>It's already heretical to believe a human can be infallible.\nWeren't the apostles infallible?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n>it's not just an ecclesiological detail like OP likes to lie to himself.\nI didn't say it was just a detail. I understand it's a major point of contention, in fact THE major one."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n>The pope is infallible only on narrow dogmatic statements.\nSo? Do you not understand that these are critical?\n>>27\nHave you ever read the Bible?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>So?\nHim shilling for refugees does not mean all the Bishops agree with him."}, {"id": 31, "content": "Agree, Protestantism is our enemy and should be treated accordingly though. They attack the Church and proclaim a false view of salvation, leading many into damnation."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>20\n>n-no u"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I love you too frens\n*I think you are dogs, and only accept you if you pretty much bark at me\nfix'd"}, {"id": 34, "content": "i dont hate catholics, i hate the heresy, therefore i will not tolerate any communication with a heretic because its more dangerous than a snake, we are talking about our eternal life. why risk it?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>>31\n>>12\n>>10\nlarp"}, {"id": 36, "content": "I'm tired too.\nMy problem is made more complex by the fact that my girlfriend is Catholic\nIf I need a theology degree to choose between Catholic and Orthodox then...\nIdk\nAHHHHHHHHHH"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>the westoid cope for everything"}, {"id": 38, "content": "i liked orthodox people and saw them as our heckin brothers against protestants until i started seeing them shit on catholicism all the time"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nI think that's mostly an online thing"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>massacre them during crusades\n>proselytise them over the next centuries\n>push satanic ecumenism after\n>why don't they like me uwu"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nI think you don't know what you're talking about so it's best you don't talk."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nDespite having fundamental differences, Catholics and Protestants are more similar to eachother than to Orthodogs."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\ni'd believe it. ive seen people call anglicanism and less often lutheranism catholicism without the pope"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree too. It's sad and it seems like it's all terminally online tradLARPs who start this shit. I have Orthodox friends as a Catholic, and the small local Orthodox population seems to have absolutely no animosity with the Catholics"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Death_of_Adolf_Hitler\n\nHe is more fictional legendary character than real historical person at this point."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was a self hating gay jew, i don't care about your fan fic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnice science fiction book"}, {"id": 4, "content": "That actually makes sense considering he seemingly went a bit nuts after Munich"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\ncould easily be explained by it being one of his doubles, he allegedly had three who all played him post 1938."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nCould be true. I've seen some pics of Hitler that are allegedly of his doubles. I don't have the specific picture saved but it was of \"Hitler\" wearing a suit with his hands in his pockets and looking at the ground."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfake picture, if you actually did any research and read his book and speeches you would know he expelled and exposed the free masons. But you dont do any actual research because you are a faceberg meme posting fucktard\n\nhttps://ugetube.com/watch/on-the-accusation-that-hitler-was-financed_vqTPugR5Gslfkrg.html"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI know it's a fake picture you fucking retard. The picture is actually of Harry Truman"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The book concludes with the author asking Joseph Goebbels for a female concubine and contemplating suicide by gunshot.\nancient schizo shitpost"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>picture\nHow braindead are you?\n\nBut yea better ask why he had this weird obsession with putting blonde people in \"special units\" to make sure they all die"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why is the short man hate only found in america or other anglo countries?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah it's normal everywhere. In metric countries the equivalent of 5'11 vs 6' is 178cm vs 180cm"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI don’t think it is, I’ve had way more success in europe than in america despite my height, whereas in america girls ALWAYS comment on it and say they cant be with me. In Europe ive been with 7 tall chicks but in america that number is only 1.\n\nAlthough maybe now with (((social media))) and anglofication that has changed. IDK this was 5 years ago and more."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI've literally never heard that, I'm not an anglo though so who knows."}, {"id": 5, "content": "5'4 khv suicidal hikikomori here."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIf your a manlet you should go for tall women desu. They seem to be less harsh on manlets. I know a guy who is 5'5 and his gf is like 6ft."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a thing in Japan, China and Latin America too."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nLatAm is a manlet region though."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause you and your Hobbit friends are literally beneath anyone else's attention."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nBut these places are mostly manlets? What the hell do Chinks and Spics consider manlets? Literal dwarfs?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are the countries filled with short don't make fun of short people"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs this a shoop?\n>https://www.reddit.com/r/short/comments/a4olv3/me_53_and_my_date_510_to_semiformal_from_last/\nNVM\n>5'3\"\n>Skull is smaller than a normal proportioned 5'10\" woman's\nIt never began for him. Heightcel, skullcel. Its over boyo."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "this kills the celt"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo Insular Celts were just \"Celtified\" indigenous British Islanders?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ncelts/gauls in Normandy were identical to british ones, so it seems it was regionalized"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nin scotland and ireland, yes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHoly shit the north to south transition in France must be massive, where does it starts?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>5\nAnd yet southern Frenchmen look nothing like Spaniards"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe loire river i think acted as a genetic limitator"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm retarded, put this in retard terms please so I can understand?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThey do"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nOP is from Lowland Scotland and really does not like Irish people, he is trying to prove they are already genetically ruined through mass replacement migration in Dublin"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe /histranny, probably heard some of his family were killed in the Troubles and is why he constantly seethes at us or some other bollocks reasons, anyways imagine letting a bunch of Micks live in your hear rentfree. Couldn't be me."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\npic unrelated?\nlooks irish, not hispanic, hispanic phenotype picrel"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhat's his name?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nNot quite. the blue are natives and red are le tenes'"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nStudy link?"}, {"id": 16, "content": "All of the few Celtic inventions and discoveries comes from this Italian-like proto-Celtic source of Southern Europe. The retarded peasant inbreds of Western Europe were mere slaves of the Celts."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nmirin those la-tenes in the middle of the sea"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Source of Southern Europe\nItalics were urnfielder-derived,"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nthe italian-like ones were slaves for a Unetice/tumulus elite, that was also the ruling class of romans. peasant G2a ruling R1b"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIrishman here. This makes me want to kill myself. We are a joke. Our entire identity is a lie. A fantasy. I have been raised my entire life on a LARP. End us already."}, {"id": 21, "content": "It's over bros... Our jig is up. Irishness is dead."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ireland Bronze Age is literally further away genetically from Proto-Celtic peoples than modern Norwegians are\nJesus..."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nYou're already cucked, but can you unironically imagine being as cucked as the English? Wave after wave of conquerors cucking you for 6000 years."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nla tene is just a subset of celtic material culture, it is not by necessity proto-celtic"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThey're even further genetically from Halstatt though.\n\n>>23\nWe're worse. Because we got cucked by the English on top of that. We will always have one extra cucking on top of theirs.\nI want to die. I hate this pathetic fake identity."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nhallstat is just a site of la tene."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nActually you didn't get cucked. The English literally got raped by continental invaders despite being the same as the Welsh. The same people who were ruling you were ruling the English."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nSo where do you think Proto-Celtic emerged exactly? Idiot."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThe English raped us. We got raped by rapebabies. Greater Dublin bears the genetic legacy of English rape. Ulster bears the genetic legacy of Scottish rape. Other parts of Ireland bear the genetic legacy of Viking and Norman rape.\nWe have been raped from every angle. We don't even speak our own language anymore we were raped so hard.\nWe are pathetic. Even our religion is ROMAN."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nBut you weren't raped. Irish R1b is a different subclade from English R1b. The English R1b is the same subclade as German R1b despite the English being more like the Irish than Germans genetically. English got cucked and the Irish didn't."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nThere are all different subclades of R1b in Ireland. There's also R1 and I1. These subclades get very high in Greater and Dublin and Ulster. Especially in Greater Dublin and Ulster. There's lots of that German R1b specifically in those 2 regions. In addition to this, the L21 subclade just came from continental Europe slightly earlier than the German subclade. I've already read about this so I don't know why you're trying to lie to me.\nDo you realize Greater Dublin and Ulster combined contain over half of Ireland's entire population?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nL21 is 80% of the R1b subclades of Ireland. L21 is basically extinct in England despite L21 being the original English haplogroup. You were raped by post-Roman continental invaders and the Irish weren't."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>English got cucked and the Irish didn't.\nHow can you say this? Iceland's entire population basically came about through Norsemen breeding Irish slavegirls. Their mtDNA is majority Irish and their Y-DNA is majority Scandinavian. We have been used as cocksleeves and breedstock by practically every surrounding group. We are a laughing stock that can't even speak our own language anymore. We have been conquered and raped more times than I can even count. Even the Welsh cucked us brutally. So many of the most common Irish surnames mean 'Welsh' or 'Briton'. You are fucking delusional. We are the cumrags of Europe. I want to die. I hate myself. I spit on Irishness."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>L21 is 80% of the R1b subclades of Ireland.\nNot in Greater Dublin or Ulster. It's much lower there. Only around 40-50% or so there with the rest being Germanic or more southern subclades like R1b-DF27 and R1b-U152.\nIt only reaches 70-80% in very rural parts of Ireland that are sparsely populated anyway. Why are you lying? I know my own island's genetics you fucking weirdo."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nPartially true, but the Irish weren't native to Iceland. The Irish were native to Ireland where they kept their L21 haplogroup. The English are native to England, but they lost their L21 haplogroup because they were being raped by continental invaders."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>where they kept their L21 haplogroup.\nWe didn't though. Not in Greater Dublin and Ulster, which contains over half our population. Why do you keep ignoring this. L21 is around 40-50% of Y-DNA in Greater Dublin and Ulster, tops. Even less nowadays considering how many immigrants there are in both Dublin and Ulster as well as the rest of Ireland."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>Not in Greater Dublin or Ulster. It's much lower there. Only around 40-50%\nIn total L21 is like 50% of Greater Dublin, but it's 70% of the total Dublin R1b. Can't say the same for anywhere in England they got fully raped."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nwhy are you like this mentally ill anglo? you are obsessed to the point of insanity and lie."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>Why do you keep ignoring this. L21 is around 40-50% of Y-DNA in Greater Dublin and Ulster, tops\nIt's still a majority of the R1b.\n>Even less nowadays considering how many immigrants there are in both Dublin and Ulster as well as the rest of Ireland.\nHave you ever seen London, Sassenach? Take a look at who their mayor is."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>In total L21 is like 50% of Greater Dublin\n2 million people live in Greater Dublin. That's half the Republic of Ireland's entire population.\n\n>but it's 70% of the total Dublin R1b.\nRight so you're just bullshitting then and engaging in weaselwording.\n\n>Can't say the same for anywhere in England they got fully raped.\nSo they were fully replaced. We on the other hand submitted and adopted the language of our conquerors and became their servants and slaves while they bred our women in front of us. We are utterly pathetic."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>Take a look at who their mayor is.\nTake a look at who Ireland's PM is. Have you ever been to Dublin? Take a look at their mayor. LMAO.\n\n>>38\nIt's not a lie though. R1b in total is only around 60% in Greater Dublin. And only 70% of that 60% is L21. The rest is stuff like R1b-U106, R1b-DF27 and R1b-U152. We were raped. In addition to this 20% of our current population of Ireland wasn't even born in the British Isles and even more are British-born or of full or partial recent British ancestry.\nWe are pathetic. I want to die. Ireland has fallen. It is no more."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>2 million people live in Greater Dublin. That's half the Republic of Ireland's entire population.\nAnd that's a L21 majority.\n>Right so you're just bullshitting then and engaging in weaselwording.\nLook at which subclades of R1b are in Dublin and most of it is L21. Are you denying this?\n>So they were fully replaced.\nNo, the proto-English submitted and adopted the language of their conquerors and became their servants and slaves while they bred their women. That's why Englishmen don't have L21 but are obviously brethren of the Welsh, Scottish, and Irish."}, {"id": 43, "content": "I'd just like to remind everybody in this thread that the term \"celt\" was invented in the 18th century and has no historical basis.\nCelts do not exist. They never existed."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>brethren of\nThey're only 20% native Britons."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nA lot of the English have L21, they just dont talk about it because it suppresses the \"English\" aspect of their identity.\nThey believe they are either Norman or Saxon, and when its revealed they are largely no different from indigenous Jomon BVLLs from the Bronze Age the larp is completely undeniable."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\n>Look at which subclades of R1b are in Dublin and most of it is L21. Are you denying this?\nIt's roughly 70% of 60% though. You originally claimed L21 was 80% in Ireland. It isn't. It isn't anywhere close to that. It's (L21) around 60% of the total Irish male population if you treat the Republic of Ireland as a single region due to the far denser population of Greater Dublin.\nSo why lie about this?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nYou will never be celtic\nYou will never be a \"BVLL\"\nYou will always be an autistic, homosexual LARPer"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\n>Take a look at who Ireland's PM is.\nA person with Irish ancestry. Now let's take a look at the PM of the English.\n>Have you ever been to Dublin? Take a look at their mayor.\nA person with Irish ancestry. Now let's take a look at the mayor of London.\n>R1b in total is only around 60% in Greater Dublin. And only 70% of that 60% is L21.\nNow you're admitting I'm right and L21 is majority.\n>We were raped.\nWhat does that make the English? Super raped?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\n>That's why Englishmen don't have L21 but are obviously brethren of the Welsh, Scottish, and Irish.\nThat wouldn't make any sense though. Unless Irish people were already incredibly close genetically to the Germanic peoples who conquered and half replaced them and totally replaced the male population in England.\nWould it now."}, {"id": 50, "content": "Distance:\n\nDistance to: England_Saxon\n\n0.02887849 Bell_Beaker_England\n\n0.03267707 Bell_Beaker_Scotland\n\n0.04011080 Bell_Beaker_England_EBA\n\nOH NO NO NO CELTBROS"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>44\n98% Briton the English are identical to the Welsh except for 1% German and 1% Norwegian.\n\n>>45\nThe English are less than 1% L21. They've been completely raped.\n\n>>46\n>It's roughly 70% of 60% though.\nCombine that with the rest of the country and Ireland is like 70-80% L21. You on the other hand have almost not L21 and completely descended from continental invaders who raped your English mothers."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\n>A person with Irish ancestry.\nLeo Varadkar is Pakistani. Or Indian. One of the two.\n\n>A person with Irish ancestry\nTheir last one was Chinese. Look it up.\n\n>Now you're admitting I'm right and L21 is majority.\nYou're not right because you claimed it was 80% of Ireland's population. It isn't. It's roughly 60% at best and lower still in Greater Dublin. Also it's even lower still today due to all the immigrants in Ireland.\n\n>What does that make the English? Super raped?\nBut the English also raped the Irish. So the rapebabies raped us. We are far worse. There is no contest. We even speak THEIR language. We are a joke."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nEnglish are the same as the Welsh, but the English have none of the L21 the Welsh do, because Germanic invaders completely cucked the English, before French ones arrived."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>47\n>>49\nYou are not Germanic, U106 was found in pre-Celtic England, so was I1, there is no way to truly how impactful Anglo-Saxon and Norse invasions were, likely not as impactful as Anglarps would want you to believe considering how many battles those aforementioned peoples actually lost to more primitive tribal Atlantics."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>Combine that with the rest of the country and Ireland is like 70-80% L21.\n60% actually. Greater Dublin has over half of Ireland's population. It averages out at around 60% of all Irish males. Not including the roughly 1 million immigrants living in Ireland today. Include them... and Jesus. L21 is about 30% of Ireland's total population at best.\n\nYou do know these genetic studies don't include people of known recent foreign ancestry and immigrants right?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\n>Leo Varadkar\nHis mother is Irish.\n>Their last one was Chinese.\nThe mayor is fully Irish.\n>You're not right because you claimed it was 80% of Ireland's population.\nIt's 70-80%.\n>It isn't. It's roughly 60% at best and lower still in Greater Dublin.\nIt's 70-80%. Even if it wasn't 60% is still a majority.\n>But the English also raped the Irish.\nYou didn't which is why we're L21.\n>So the rapebabies raped us. We are far worse. There is no contest. We even speak THEIR language. We are a joke.\nThis only applies to the English who now speak the language of the people who completely replaced their R1b with Germanic R1b but otherwise left no genetic trace."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nBut they're all really similar to Germanic peoples in general. So how is that. See\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>21\n>>unknown\n>>1 (OP)\n\nSo how does that work?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\nMore recent studies on the English, done by people less invested in Anglo-Saxonism (i.e. liberal subhumans who have no reason to play up Germanic admixture) show the English are majority L21, little different from the Welsh.\nAll great figures in English and American history were L21."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nYou will never be celtic\nYou can LARP about how \"primitive\" and \"bvll\" like the \"\"\"celts\"\"\" were (they weren't) but it won't change the fact that you will never be celtic\nIt won't change the fact that all of the british isles speaks english, and that celtic languages will continue to decline and go extinct\nPlease go to belfast and go to a loyalist pub and tell them how they're such \"\"\"celtic bvlls\"\"\""}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nThe celt larper continues to LARP and claim every historical figure as celtic\nThis is ignoring the fact that l21 isn't even a \"\"\"celtic\"\"\" haplogroup"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>54\n>U106 was found in pre-Celtic England\nIt was found in Roman Britain, not before that, and it was Batavian gladiators. Roman foederati. There were far more exotic people in Roman Britain than Germanic mercenaries. Believe me.\n\n>so was I1,\nNo it wasn't."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\n>60% actually.\n70-80% actually. Greater Dublin is only 40% of Ireland's population and Greater Dublin is 60% L21. The rest of Ireland is 80% L21. That's 70-80% L21.\n>Not including the roughly 1 million immigrants living in Ireland today.\nThere aren't anywhere near 1 million immigrants living in Ireland and a good portion of immigrants are Irish."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nThe majority of Europe is Celtic, Celtic Thralls managed to BVLL Scandinavia while being a literal slave caste.\nname another race who was enslaved and rose, on their own strength, to become prominent in another society.\nIt is exclusively something exceptional tribes can pull off.\n>loyalists\nI would tell them they should be proud of being from the North West Atlantic and they shouldnt pretend they are from Sweden."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>It was found in Roman Britain, not before that, and it was Batavian gladiators. Roman foederati. There were far more exotic people in Roman Britain than Germanic mercenaries. Believe me.\nWouldn't be surprised if the J in England and Scotland came from Roman colonists and Syrian soldiers."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\nL21 is not Scandinavian.\nNot Germanic, you are not Germanic, the majority of people in The isles are not Germanic, the majority of people in England are not Germanic.\n\nyou also look more like the Welsh than like the Swedes, your alleged progenitors."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nYou can keep posting your deranged sexual fantasies involving \"BVLLS\" all you want\nDoesn't change the fact that you're a skinny american nerd who has never been in a fight before making up fictious scenarios involving dead and nonexistent peoples so you can get your rocks off. Doesn't change the fact that you're not celtic. doesn't change the fact that you don't look anything like the germanic rugby players you keep posting"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>58\n>More recent studies on the English, done by people less invested in Anglo-Saxonism\nFake.\n>All great figures in English and American history were L21.\nThey weren't. The English kings have been U106 recently and Jefferson was even T which is rare."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>56\n>His mother is Irish.\nI guess Obama was white then.\n\n>The mayor is fully Irish.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Chu\n\n>It's 70-80%.\nNo it isn't. Basic mathematics. It's 60%, of the non-immigrant population. There are over 1 million immigrants in Ireland today. That pushes down L21 even further. The studies also don't include people of known foreign ancestry. So even much of the non-immigrant population will still have non-Irish ancestry.\n\n>You didn't which is why we're L21.\nBut they did. Ireland was a part of England for centuries. There were several mass colonizations of Ireland from England. This is all well documented."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\n>Distance:\n\n>Distance to: England_Saxon\n\n>0.02887849 Bell_Beaker_England\n\n>0.03267707 Bell_Beaker_Scotland\n\n>0.04011080 Bell_Beaker_England_EBA\n\nYou can never dispute this.\n\nYou will never be celtic"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>61\nThere is an earlier U106 British sample but it's a presumably contaminated 4000-3500 BC sample with zero steppe ancestry.\n>>64\nIt's a combination of Roman and later French geneflow."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>62\n>70-80% actually.\nNo it's 60%. Lower still in Northern Ireland. And again, that's excluding the huge immigrant population in Ireland right now or people of known recent non-Irish ancestry. So it's actually significantly lower than 60%.\n\n>Greater Dublin is only 40% of Ireland's population\n\n>Greater Dublin is 60% L21\nNo it isn't. Why do you keep lying about this. It's 60% R1b. Only around 70% of that R1b is L21. Basic math.\n\n>The rest of Ireland is 80% L21.\nNo it isn't. It's around 70% R1b in total. And not all of that is L21."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\n>I guess Obama was white then.\nYes, he had white ancestry? You are literally ruled by a pure Hindu lmao.\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Chu\nThe following two mayors were both Irish. Meanwhile your mayor is still Pakistani.\n>It's 60%, of the non-immigrant population.\nGreater Dublin is only 40% of Ireland's population and Greater Dublin is 60% L21. The rest of Ireland is 80% L21. That's 70-80% L21.\n>There are over 1 million immigrants in Ireland today.\nNo, there aren't.\n>But they did.\nIf you did, we wouldn't be L21.\n>There were several mass colonizations of Ireland from England.\nFrom Scotland. The only people from England were French Normans who killed Anglo-Saxons and settled here."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\ndo Saxon vs modern English lol\n>>68\nbrowns are not irish, they will be removed, even the half irish ones.\n>NOOOO\nshut up and ack yourself, browns will go extinct the second Americans cant bomb anyone who goes against ZOG.\nThey were almost fucking extinct in 1700 when Europeans were the majority of the world, it shall be so again, the arc of history will follow the trends of nature and the dominant races shall reign supreme. No one can produce nukes, missile shields, arms, and technology on the level of Westerners.\nfantasize while you can.\n>>67\nWashington was L21\nthe \"English\" kings were not English.\nThey are still not English.\n>>66\nI am much bigger than you.\nyour people are terminally emaciated lanklets who have not the nutrition to activate your (scant) Germanic genes nor the genetic predisposition to grow large in spite of your poor condition (like pre-germanics can)"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>62\n>There aren't anywhere near 1 million immigrants living in Ireland\nPic related was 2006 btw. Ireland's immigrant population has doubled, if not tripled since then.\n\n>a good portion of immigrants are Irish.\nThis is absolutely hysterical cope. Honest to God."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>64\nYeah I know there are some clans who carry J and I'm pretty sure they had a Roman origin myth so there might actually be something to it. To be honest Romans themselves had significant levels of J so it's very possible some Roman colonizers started clans or whatever."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\n>I am much bigger than you.\nAnybody living vicariously through extinct historical groups and posting photos of muscular men to prove his \"\"\"superiority\"\"\" is not bigger than me\n>your people are terminally emaciated lanklets who have not the nutrition to activate your (scant) Germanic genes nor the genetic predisposition to grow large in spite of your poor condition (like pre-germanics can)\nGreatest strongmen are germanics with germanic last names\nEddie Hall (germanic)\nBrian Shaw (germanic)\nhafthor (germanic)\nYou will never look like the rugby players you have a homosexual fixation for\nThis level of seethe can only be explained by getting cucked or beaten by an englishman"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>70\n>There is an earlier U106 British sample\nNo there isn't.\n\n>it's a presumably contaminated 4000-3500 BC sample with zero steppe ancestry.\nRight so impossible then. Retard."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>51\n>98% Briton\nYou're just lying, retard. They're 40% Saxon, 40% Gaulish, 20% Briton."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>71\nForgot pic. 60% of the evershrinking non-immigrant population with no known foreign ancestry. STRONK!"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nCope. English are 99% Welsh."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>73\n>browns are not irish, they will be removed, even the half irish ones.\nReported to the Garda."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nKeep lying, retard."}, {"id": 83, "content": "So far our resident celt LARPer has been utterly destroyed.\nMaybe he'll go back to whatever hole he emerged from or maybe he'll keep autstically posting about \"bvlls\" until the end of his days\nIf he really cared about \"\"\"celts\"\"\" he'd learn a celtic language but of course he won't because he's an autistic american homosexual LARPer seething over anglos forever\npretty pathetic really"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\nWhat's 60% of 80%, bros? I don't feel so good, fellow Irishbros..."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nTarget: English\nDistance: 0.6495% / 0.00649498\n98.2 Welsh\n1.8 Swedish\n\nWelsh with insignificant Germanic admixture."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>77\n>No there isn't.\nhttps://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A7208/"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nNevermind I found it. 60% of 80% amounts to 2,312,535 Irish men carrying R1b-L21. That was in 2016, mind you, the immigrant population has risen further since then, quite sharply.\nIn the interest of fairness we will compare the 2016 ethnicity figures with the 2016 total Irish population figures. The population of Irelan has risen by almost 1 million since 2016, the vast majority of it attributed to immigration.\n\nSo. In 2016. 49% of Irish men carried R1b-L21. At the absolute highest estimate. Now remember it's probably lower than that because these genetic studies exclude people who identify as white Irish but have known foreign ancestry.\n\nDAMN BROS IT'S NOT LOOKING SO GOOD FOR L21 IN IRELAND. SHEEEEIT SOOOON!"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nThat's not U106.\n\n>>85\nWelsh have had significant Germanic admixture though."}, {"id": 89, "content": "Maybe becoming a tax haven was a bad idea, especially when everyone just speaks English and there's no barrier to mass influx from people and companies looking to avoid paying taxes."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nNo they don't. They are 90% the same as British Bell Beakers. The English got cucked deal with it."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\n>https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A7208/\nIt's literally downstream U106.\nAgain, probably contaminated."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>87\n>49% of Irish men carried R1b-L21\nOH NO NO NO CELTBROS"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\n>No they don't. They are 90% the same as British Bell Beakers. The English got cucked deal with it."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nR1b-U106 likely hadn't even mutated by that point in time.\n\n>Again, probably contaminated.\nErgo it's not U106.\n\nBesides. The prevalence of U106 in the British Isles matches Germanic colonization and settlement patterns precisely."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nAnd the English who have 1%?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\nEven less today. Likely around 41% today, at best. ALSO. Not all the L21 in Ireland is necessarily from Insular Celts. Every single invading and colonizing group in Ireland since has carried L21. Some at significant levels (such as Normans and English).\nIn addition, a lot of the L21 is likely from Celtic Britons. So not Gaels anyway.\nIt's over."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nWhat haplogroup do you think Leo Varadkar carries?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nWhat haplogroup do you think Rishi Sunak carries? Sadiq Khan? Oh wait they don't have a drop of English ancestry!"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\n>b-but muh celtic jomon bvlls"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>85\nNice model you have, retard.\nTarget: English\nDistance: 1.0041% / 0.01004118\n47.8 England_Saxon\n41.6 FRA_Champagne_IA2\n10.6 England_EastYorkshire_LIA\nRead actual studies, you dumbass liar."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>83\nHe gets utterly raped every single time. I honestly think he has some humiliation fetish or intellectual castration kink. He seems to crave this and comes into every single one of these threads spreading the same easily dismantleable lies and using the same weasel tactics and tripping over his own retarded neurosis and hypocrisies."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nIt is literally better than your model.\n\nTarget: English\nDistance: 0.6495% / 0.00649498\n98.2 Welsh\n1.8 Swedish\n\nMore accurate and better."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\nThere is Anglo ancestry within modern Welsh"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\nHe's a homosexual who saves photos of rugby players to his pc and talks about being celtic despite being an american\nHe's really fixated with richard hibbard despite him being from the south of wales (which was always considered the least celtic part) and having blond hair (despite him making up strange fantasies about \"jomon bvlls\" raping blond women)\nincredibly strange and deranged. imagine getting cucked by an englishman and making up strange fantasies about dominating anglos, very weird"}, {"id": 105, "content": "Imagine if he's not baiting.\n>>102"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>98\nI don't care. They speak English, like Leo Varadkar does. Besides, Rishi Sunak doesn't even claim to be English I don't think. Even though he's pretty well assimilated. And just comes across as a brown Englishman half the time.\nAnd Sadiq Khan absolutely is not pretending to be English."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>86\nLiterally none of the haplos posted in that page is older than 500 BC with MRCAs arround 1600 AD"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nI'll just say it is kind of hilarious how practically every single leader of every single British Isles 'ethnicity' is South Asian by this point while they all squabble autistically online with each other about being marginally different types of PIE/WHG/EEF mutts who all speak English.\nSome people deserve to be conquered."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nOh so he was just lying again. Sad. Oh well, I knew there wasn't any U106 before Roman Britain anyway."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nYeah, it's something of a pattern from Reich lab. They do a shitty job labeling/dating/confirming samples etc."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>104\nIn the future it's probably best just to post the PCAs and genetic distance calculators we already have done in this thread and leave him to spam a bunch of nonsense to himself.\nThe data says it all."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>103\nThere is far more Celtic ancestry in the English."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\nPeople in the British Isles speak a language descended from Proto-Germanic and genetically cluster with other Germanic-speaking populations of Europe. They are Germanic, it's really as simple as that.\nHave a nice night, Kentbro(?)"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\nThe closest genetic relatives of the Isles are French populations who do not speak a Germanic language."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nNope. See >>1 (OP)\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>21\n\nA final lie for me to easily destroy before departing for the night."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>113\nbased glaswegian"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nDistance to: English\n0.01044504 Scottish\n0.03059209 French_Paris\n0.03354470 Swedish\n\nCloser to Parisian French than actual Germanics."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>116\nDon't take the bait of responding to his cooked calculators and faked data."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nDutch are closer than either. And modern Swedes aren't representative of CNE Germanics."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\nSwedes are baltic slavified mutts. Put saxons, danes or norwegians."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nHe already posted a cooked calculator showing the English as 98% Welsh. Don't take the bait."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\nDutch are Celtic-Germanic mutts. They don't cluster with proto-Germanics."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n>They don't cluster with proto-Germanics.\nIrish people don't cluster with Proto-Celtics. In fact Bronze Age Irish people didn't cluster with Proto-Celtics.\nI'm glad you concede that Irish people were not Celtic in the Bronze Age and are not Celtic today."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>118\nseeing his impotent spergouts is pretty funny"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>123\nIrish people do cluster perfectly with Bronze Age Irish. On the other hand the English do cluster with Bronze Age English but not perfectly because of a small Germanic admixture that completely cucked them into being U106."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\n>because of a small Germanic admixture that completely cucked them into being U106.\nBut Germanic people clustered with Bronze Age Irish and Bronze Age English."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\n>Irish people do cluster perfectly with Bronze Age Irish.\nNot anymore :)"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\nWho does Leo Varadkar cluster with, do you think?"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>126\nCeltic people clustered perfectly with Bronze Age Irish and English, not Germanics."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nMore lies."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>129\nthe OP picture literally disproves that completely"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>131\nIrish are Celtic and they cluster with the Bronze Age Irish :)"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>132\nOP picture disproves that"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\nNope. OP picture doesn't measure the similarity between the Irish and Bronze Age Irish."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>78\n35 35 30, retard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Future historians are gonna have so much fun with all the amazing documentation from the internet age... God I wish I could've been born 200 years later to study history"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPresuming the internet will still be accessible in 200 years—"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">someone will write their dissertation on /his/ alamo threads"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe rate it's going, everyone will just have some curated BBS type of portal full of kike opinions. The so called \"deep web\" will just be the net as we have now, and illegal to use. They'll also know if you use it through digital IDs and bugmen cops will immediately show up at your door like in China."}, {"id": 5, "content": "OP doesnt know we're living through the new dark age\n\nall the records are electronic, and won't survive\nin fact you can see them dissappear in real time\n\n200 years from now no historian will have a single clue as to what the fuck happened today except by tales passed down through word of mouth and landfills"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno they won't - it will suck. Go grab a hard drive from the 80/90s from the junkyard and try to read it. How will you even begin? What system will you plug it into? Where can you find those cables? It would be a nighmare. Mow try with the earliest HDs of the 1950s and 60s. Ok now rough them up super bad, simulate 200+ years of abandonment, then get some data out of it. This is going to be a massive clusterfuck. More than likely, all of it will be utterly lost."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>200 years from now no historian will have a single clue as to what the fuck happened\nyeah they will, we still print books. Besides, 200 years isn't that long, we'll have a good idea of what has happened, even if all electronic data is lost. Where is gets wild is when you start thinking in thousands of years. In 1k years we might have the same sort of understanding about the tech era as we do of the crusades era today. In 2k years it may be more like trying to understand Roman augury. In 3k years it may become utterly baffling, like Gobekli Tepe or stonehenge. They'll know tech was something important and small and common, but not really anything else."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">woah everything is logged\nokay show me the internet from 2004\noh that's right, unless someone saved a screenshot of it it's gone"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">store digital archive on hdd\n>leave whitepaper for file system and data types in print\n>high school students are now recreating 4chan from a newfag's pepe collection"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">in any other era I would have been forgotten\n>I happen to live in a time where people will see my posts here, use AI to determine who they belong to, and see that I'm retarded."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Doesn’t use wayback machine"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the demonization of men who date younger women proof that the patriarchy is no longer real? At what point in history did it change?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Patriarchy is very real and will always exist just not in the way women think it does."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Pusy feel good"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's wrong with dating a woman younger than yourself?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n(1/2(your age))+7\nDo the math and you’ll see I’m correct"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is wrong with dating up? The less years she's spent on Earth, through basic probabilities the less dick she had in her. I see that as a win."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyoung adult women are more beautiful than older women. Why is this so hard to understand?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There's plenty of beautiful women out there are a more appropriate age\nNo, there isn't. Logical fallacy. The other wojak will probably himself be 48 one day and statistically won't have a partner, will he want used goods his own age?\n\nBasedjak is right, the 18 year old consents and that's all that matters. Even if he were 88 years old, all that matters is both parties consent.\n\nReally we need AI waifubots, gender relations are hopelessly fucked with younger millennials and onward."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor once soijack is the Chad in this pic."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>appropriate age\nAppropriate according to who/what?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don’t know. I don’t think most Fathers want their daughters to be dating leftover men around their own age."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nthey don't get to decide"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>10\nThe problem with dating a legal female half your age or even a late teen for that matter is different from the problem of pedophilia. With the former, if enough of those things happened, the gap in the number of married/in relation young women vs young men would be big enough to have enough young men recruited for a revolution or just outright burn it all down."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's weird how older guys who fuck much younger women are portrayed as creeps. The types of middle-aged guys who manage to land barely legal pussy don't look or act like creeps, otherwise girls in late teens and early 20s wouldn't fuck them. They're usually older chads like pic-related who are divorced and messing around with younger girls for fun/sport."}, {"id": 15, "content": "Don't care\n\nThe age of consent in country is 14"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n60%+ of young men don't have gfs. The beta uprising will never happen."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>It's weird how older guys who fuck much younger women are portrayed as creeps\nThey're portrayed that way by used goods hags who are completely out of touch with younger women and (((birth control))) gave them brain fog and made them forget the crushes they had when they were that young themselves."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\n>le reddit rule"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>The beta uprising will never happ-ACK\nSame mindset as people who thought the Russian revolution wouldn't happen."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts healthy to prefer this age range. Cope"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>>19\nThe beta uprising will happen if porn is banned. Porn acts a pressure valve keeping men docile.\n>>11\nFather's opinions are useless in the current dating market"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Even if society becomes hypersensitive to a particular taboo (and make no mistake that cradle robbing was always a taboo), that does not prove or disprove an underlying gender bias in the society. It could have traits that, in combination, still make it a patriarchy.\nThe more pressing evidence of patriarchy being dismantled in our society is in income equity among the youngest generations."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Patriarchy benefits women more. It's very much alive."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOld guy/ young girl relationships were already being mocked in the times of Chaucer (Merchants Tale) and even back in antiquity with Theophrastus writing against them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd say so, since the shit wasn't demonized before the 20th century. its basically an entire \"what about the children\" nonsense liberal Tipper Gore types like to charade around on society,"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nactually there was a beta uprising during the 1917 Revolution. just look up proletarian rapes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Mongolians allowed to be proud of Genghis Khan but Germans aren't allowed to be proud of Hitler?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKhan didn’t kill any kikes, so he gets a pass. Plus it’s Mongolia, who cares?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Simpler people, not bogged down with the morality complex."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis won."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis didn't kill people because of racism. He only killed people because he liked to kill people. That is less evil."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler lost and some time needs to pass.\n>>5\nWhy? Doesn't the latter imply a never-ending kill fest while the former stops at some moment?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>That is less evil\nHow???"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>>6\n\nHe killed people but he wasn't a bigot about it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nThat's the opposite. At least Hitler had a reason."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nImagine you are Jewish, Slav, Roma or any type of non-white person (assuming you aren't already). When you see Hitler, you know that he hated you, deeply and fanatically because of your innate characteristics and would have wanted to kill you no matter what you did.\n\nNow imagine you are any variety of non-Mongol. When you see Genghis you know that he would have killed you if you fought against him, but wouldn't mind at all if you joined him as a soldier or submitted to him. He would hate you IF you became his enemy, but wouldn't care if you chose allyship or neutrality.\n\nThat is the important difference."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis Khan was not a looser, his empire was not crushed due retarded strategy and he didn't kill himself like a bitch"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nI never understood how this jewish \"I hate everyone equally\" Hollywood moral edgelordism was supposed to be any better than ethnic hatred"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler lost"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nI don't have to imagine, I am Slavic. Hitler gave us our own country for the first time in history and freed us from Czech tyranny, he was arguably our greatest ever benefactor.\nGenghis was nothing but a glorified common thug, a mobster with an army. Non-existent morality, just pure greed. How is that better than Hitler?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nExcellent post"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nbased take, OP will not touch this"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nI’m Jewish and I feel the same. Thanks funny moustache man!"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause in modern times the title \"Genghis Khan\" refers more to a meme than to an actual person. Just look around at all the claims of \"Genghis Khan fathered thousands of kids,\" when the historical man that held the title of Chingis Khan had eight sons, the eldest of which probably wasn't even biologically his."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis Khan was the wrath of Tengri, Hitler was just a loser chud driven by his own hatred"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\n>hitler\n>hated slavs\nwhat?"}, {"id": 21, "content": "Because the Mongol Empire outlasted Genghis Khan.\nHitler, on the other hand, lost and got his country partitioned. Everyone he killed died for nothing."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\nThat's because you have no empathy"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Genghis lived centuries ago and won\n>Hitler was alive less than a century ago, lost, and ACKED like a tranny"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>whats the difference between commonplace warfare and perverted ethnic genocide???"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>5\n>Genghis didn't kill people because of racism\nThats wrong though."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nTime, obviously"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGenghis' accomplishments outshined Hitler by like 1000:1. Dude was a demigod."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\n>Genghis didn't kill people because of racism\nhe literally did that to the merkets, tanguts, and the jurchens because he hated them"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nNeither story is finished."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\n>Now imagine you are any variety of non-Mongol. When you see Genghis you know that he would have killed you if you fought against him, but wouldn't mind at all if you joined him as a soldier or submitted to him\nVery wrong. Some tribes were completely wiped out by the mongols because of some old rivalries. Often times they would slaughter people who submitted to them. In the rare case where they didnt they often used the people who surrendered as cannon fodder for their next engagement. You really have no clue what you are talking about."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nGhengis khan did plenty of ethnic genocides. He killed all the original tatars for example."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nTwo more weeks"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGermany is still occupied by the Americans, give it 500 years"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nThat's not the same as a borderline fetishistic systematic ethnic cleansing"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>10\nGood thing im none of those groups and i actually do support mass murdering all of them, its just how it is."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n\"i, genghis khan want to kill all tatars, specifically tatars, for totally unambiguously racist reasons\""}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne was around while there was no mass media and the other while it was coming into it's own. Basically Hitler was born a century or two too late."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>31\nTell us about the tatarocaust anon"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\nwell things obviously didn't go too well after the empire splintered, that doesn't really encompass ghengis' tactics at all though"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nthose were tactics used from the start"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause no one cares about Mongolia"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\n>ethnic cleansing is not the same as ethnic cleansing\nAlso why are you bringing up fetishism?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>5\nThe fact that people believe this is the joke of modern society."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>36\n>>38\n>We were taking revenge, We were requiting the wrong, by killing the Tatar people to the last one\nSource is the secret history of the mongols."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>36\n>racist\nmoving the goal posts"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine idolizing someone who lost, LMAO. Maybe you Nazis are socialists after all."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause revering or demonizing Khan won't affect the (((agenda)))"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause nobody is worried about Mongolia going for Round 2 or Round 3, they learned their lesson.\nThe Germans will inevitably get up to their usual Europe-destroying habits if left unattended for even a moment"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler lost badly for one and did nothing of worth"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>10\nThere is no evidence that Hitler had any plans to exterminate \"non-white\" populations broadly. The term is imperfect since some non-whites were aryans, but the non-aryan category is the closest category to that and there were simply no plans for this group of people."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>10\nThe Slavs, Jews, and Roma were already defined enemies. He exterminated them within your frame of mind because of the experience they had already had before Hitler rose to power. They were already enemies. This is a bit like judging the Mongols midway through once they've already decided to exterminate a group and saying that this is distinct from how they would react to a new group that resisted them in some way. Broadly however Nazi retribution worked in a similar manner as you are describing, they massacred villages that resisted even if they decided that the nation as a whole was not resisting. You distinction you are making exists in your own head more than it does in reality.\n\nHad the Jews already no announced themselves enemies of hitler before he rose to power? They did implement a boycott on Germany starting in 1933 for instance. While this is not a good reason to exterminate an entire people, neither is doing so because they killed one of your messengers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All scripture is breathed by God, so read and learn!\n\n>3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.\nRomans 2:3-5\n\n>26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.\nHebrews 10:26-31\n\nTHE WORD OF GOD IS CLEAR\n\nNO EXCUSES SHOULD BE MADE\n\nDO NOT SPEAK IN IGNORANCE, LEADING OTHERS ASTRAY\n\nYOU WILL BE JUDGED FOR EVERY IDLE WORD"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.\nMatthew 3:8\n\n[...]“Now go and sin no more.”\nJohn 8:11\n\nNevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”\n2 Timothy 2:19\n\nAbstain from every form of evil.\n1 Thessalonians 5"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Ok schizo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBlessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.\nMatthew 5:11"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOk schizo"}, {"id": 6, "content": "It's awfully funny how Christians would rather dump bible verses on an extremely hostile and vitriolic imageboard filled with insincere contrarians and literal bots instead of literally going outside and giving alms to the poor and homeless or work at a soup kitchen. God, you're insufferable.\n>>4\nYeah, because Jesus would totally want you to fucking proselytize on 4chan of all places. People have literally died for your religion and this is the best you can do? kek"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>its okay for people to call you a retard if youre self aware\nWas Christianity the first form of ironic humor?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThis thread is for the self-professed Christians that inhabit this board."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nFuck Yahweh and fuck Rabbi Yeshua ben Pantera"}, {"id": 10, "content": "God is almighty. So why do we continue to rebel against Him?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Turn away from sin"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPissbaby atheist spam."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nStop choosing wickedness over the Lord."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nabsolutely insane that everyone is just mocking you when you're telling people that they shouldn't do bad things."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nUnregenerate man hates the light and loves darkness."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Meet Updown Girl: 10-year-old child buried in Kent in the 7th century was of West African descent - suggesting England was more diverse than previously thought in the Middle Ages"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>A 10-year-old child buried in Kent in the 7th century was of West African descent –suggesting England was more diverse than previously thought in the Middle Ages.\n\n>Updown Girl' – so-called because she was laid to rest at Updown, near Eastry in Kent – was buried with a pot, a bone comb, a knife and a spoon.\n\n>Findings reveal 33 per cent of Updown Girl's DNA points to West African ancestry, most closely resembling Esan or Yoruba groups.\n\n>Her African heritage came from her father's side, possibly her grandad or great grandad, although she was likely part of an affluent family that lived in England."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>The findings, published in a series of articles in Current Archaeology, come from one of the largest ancient DNA projects in Europe, involving 460 people who were buried in graves between 200AD and 1300AD, 278 of whom were from England.\n\n>'Aged 10 or 11 when she died, this girl was buried in much the same way as the other early medieval individuals who were laid to rest at Updown, near Eastry,' said Current Archaeology Editor Carly Hilts.\n\n>'She was accompanied by very typical grave goods – a pot, a bone comb, a knife, and a spoon – and there was nothing to suggest that she had been treated differently, at least in death, even though the new genetic research highlights that her ancestry was very different to that of many of the people buried around her.'\n\n>Updown Girl is buried near two women who, according to the experts, are likely to be her great aunts with Northern European ancestry.\n\n>Both women were buried with several objects including belt hanging sets, beads, knives, combs and spoons, all suggesting they were part of an affluent family from the period."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>The fact that both the women and the girl were buried in the same way indicates that despite her different ancestry, the girl was treated equally as her other family members, according to Professor Duncan Sayer, project leader and archaeologist from the University of Central Lancashire.\n\n>Of Updown Girl, Professor Sayer said: 'We found the granddaughter of a migrant who is part of a family that is biologically Northern European.\n\n>'She is buried in exactly the same way as everybody else… this story really highlights that if we are looking at ethnicity, did not matter to these people.'\n\n>Other notable findings include the remains of a teenage boy found at West Heslerton, an early medieval cemetery in Yorkshire."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe was just an exotic sex slave some anglo chad bought from the iberians, calm your tits globohomo faggot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n7th century Iberian trade networks stretching this far is still interesting anon, Muslims barely even had Spain at this point\nSlavery was probably involved at some point don't get me wrong but I didn't realize even slave networks stretched this far in this era"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA tiny minority foreigners from exotic regions is nothing new but they were typically kept as servants or slaves."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>>6\n>>5\nI can tell you didn’t read any of it past the header given how A this was a child, B she was like a quarter black and C wasn’t burrows in they style of slave her father was likely half black himself and her grandfather from southern Nigeria considering her African DNA mostly clustered with Yoruba population"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>SEE SOME COOMER BOUGHT A NEGRO SEX SLAVE FROM MUSLIMS, BRITAIN WAS 50% BLACK LIKE ON NETFLIX\n\n>>5\nbased coomer"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Can't wait for a Netflix tv show about her."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>>7\n>>6\n>>5\n>Findings reveal 33 per cent of Updown Girl's DNA points to West African ancestry, most closely resembling Esan or Yoruba groups.\n\n>Her African heritage came from her father's side, possibly her grandad or great grandad, although she was likely part of an affluent family that lived in England."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>7th century\n>600s\nSomething smells fishy as fuck here.\nMakes no sense.\nRegardless maybe it has to do with berbers."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>although she was likely part of an affluent family that lived in England.\nHow so? I thought the way she was buried was no different than any contemporary burial there?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "There are two ancient samples that aren't European from UK. And the place is very well sampled (700 samples or so).\n\n>although she was likely part of an affluent family that lived in England\nWhy her non-white parents weren't found then?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nIsn't the 7th century equivalent to the 600s?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nAmerican education."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Leftists unironically believe that this proves 7th century England had the racial demographics of 21st century London."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nThey were she was literally buried as an equal member of her family\n\n\n> How so? I thought the way she was buried was no different than any contemporary burial there?\n\nLikely based of the types of grace goods she was buried with what seemed to be her aunt’s likely through her mother’s side considering they didn’t have similar african ancestry\n\n>>14\nHer father was the one with African ancestry likely his father or grandfather came from the Yoruba regions of Africa\n\n>>10\n>Disney movie"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Anglo-Saxonbros..."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nThat's what I'm saying.\nMy fault for being retarded:"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow the fuck did she get into 600s britain?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\nso her mother was the sex slave? good"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>11\nAre you sure it's not DNA contamination?\nDid anyone let the mixed intern handle the remains?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>8\n>>11\n>>12\n>>18\n\nI’m just making educated guesses since we have nothing to go off of this girls ancestry or family history but:\n>Her great grandfather was likely a slave captured in Souther Nigeria (probably by Tuareg or Berber slavers) to be sold in either the Vandal kingdom or Exarchate of Africa as a slave/manservant (still legal in the ERE’s though becoming more rare).\n>Marries, has children, possibly converts to Christianity\n>Son (likely of mixed ancestry) is freed from bondage and grows up an oddity, possibly becoming a mercenary, bard, or some other traveling trade like a petty merchant heading further north.\n>He also has children who are further mixed and likely continue the family trade, making their way up to Anglo-Saxon England by way of boat.\n>This son (by this point the West African genetics being heavily diluted) would settle down in England and marry an English girl, possibly through connections he had with her father, having a daughter who would become this little girl.\n\nAll this is 100% speculation but still, 1 in a million stories like this are fascinating and their uniqueness being ruined by woke pandering is the real crime."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nCan you name what sample her parents were?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>one single quadroon/octoroon from the 7th century means England was \"more diverse than previously thought\"\nAbsurd. I fucking hate archaeologists. Are they seriously implying this is anything but an anomaly? She is probably the great granddaughter of a Moroccan slave or something that got traded up to the Isles. Big deal."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\nTest 278 skeleton in England, find one skeleton of a possible quadroon, it must mean England was always this diverse melting pot of ethnicities."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nTrue.\nThere are always some bizarre tales of out-of-place people around. Like that one Tatar found in sierra leone who trying to return to russia."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>12\nDamn I forget how fucking stupid some of you are"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\nWhy do assume slavery?\n\n>>22\nAre claiming her father was a sex slave?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>Findings reveal 33 per cent of Updown Girl's DNA points to West African ancestry, most closely resembling Esan or Yoruba groups.\n\n>Her African heritage came from her father's side, possibly her grandad or great grandad, although she was likely part of an affluent family that lived in England."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese types of bait thread’s always bring out like the same 5 people\n\nThe slavery Guys who think every black person who ever left Africa must have been a slave despite no evidence for such claim\n\nThe coomers\n\nThe types who think this is some leftist conspiracy because the archeologists was surprised this wasn’t some isolated backwater\n\nThe haplofags\n\nThe trolls who are baiting constantly"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>24\nThis means that London was always 30% white."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n>Why do you assume slavery\nBecause the unfortunate truth is that the vast majority of subsaharan Africans who traveled to the Middle East and North Africa and eventually to Europe were either slaves or merchants looking to sell slaves, and the likelihood of her great grandfather being a slave or former slave is higher than him being a merchant who sold slaves. Who don’t know, we can’t know, that’s why its “educated guessing” and not me claiming to know the facts for certain."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">one rare case\n>father still nowhere to be found\nTypical"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably Iberian in origin"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nThe only part of Roman Empire that had blacks were the African provinces"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>the vast majority\n\nOkay anon whatever makes you feel better despite not evidence her ancestors were slaves"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>31\nso you cant?\n>>30\nIts more likely her father was born of a slave woman.\nblack men have trouble reproducing in northern climates"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>18\n>>19\n>>21\n>>24\n>>33\n>>36\n>THIS ISN'T MADE UP JEWISH HORSESHIT\n>I TRUST LE SCIENCE"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>34\n>>38\nHe could have been a slave but he could have also just been a traveller.If he was a slave then he must have been some type of renowned healer or some shit because there isn't really any reason for a Proto Yoruba guy to get exchanged at least six times before he even reached the Sahel where the berbers were.This was still basically pre islamic times so the blacks/berbers in the Sahel had no real reason for capturing pagan blacks from the forest when everyone was a pagan. Ile Ife (medieval Yoruba polity) was still just a village and had no major exports at the time since there just wasn't that many people living there yet. So you both can be right about it since obviously nobody knows.\n\n>1 in a million stories like this are fascinating and their uniqueness being ruined by woke pandering is the real crime.\n\nHonestly this if it weren't for the fags at the bbc making Roman Britain look 70 black it would be interesting to see a story on something like this or that Nubian dude who was an auxiliary at that Roman camp in Serbia"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>35\nlmao"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1 family moves to another far off land\n>guys that means we wuz kangs"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>29\nSomeone cap this. Please. I made the post so I can't do it."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>26\nIt’s the anthropologists who’s peddeling this globohomo bullshit."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">Find a single tossed aside grave of a no name slave\n>EUROPE WAS 50% BLACK!!! WE WUZ KANGZ!"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">we found 1 (one) random skeleton that might have some African DNA\n>this means that England has always been as ethnically diverse as it is in current year, do stop complaining about niggers running amok with machetes and pakis raping their way through the school system with the blessing of police and government, you fucking chud!"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no study\n>no ENA link to independently check her genome\nsmell like BS to me"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nSee:\n>>unknown\nThat's the PCA from the study. The African mixed girl is of course I11570."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nJust as I thought this sample is extremely low coverage lol."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>unknown\n>Slavs in early medieval England\nMy byli Anglo-Saxons i kurwa"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">The only exception is the outlier individual I11570 from Worth Matravers. This individual exhibits 22.4% ancestry from the western African component maximised in present-day Yoruba, Mende, and Esan. Similar amounts are measured in present-day north Africans like Algerians and Mozabites, however, those populations also carry high amounts of the North Africa/Middle Eastern component, which is minimal in I11570. It is therefore more likely that I11570 is the product of recent admixture between a northern European and a west African source. While small amounts of sub-Saharan African ancestry might be the result of low-coverage and/or contamination, there is no reason to assume this for I11570.\nThey might be jumping to conclusions.\n\n> Here we study genome-wide ancient DNA from 460 medieval northwestern Europeans—including 278 individuals from England—alongside archaeological data, to infer contemporary population dynamics.\nAlso lol. If you add to this the iron age, bronze age, neolithic and mesolithic samples it will be close to 1000. Apparently this one 22% African girl out of 1000 samples is an evidence of diversity in ancient Britain."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThere's also the ancient Egyptian guy from Roman era."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>9\n>this is what medieval Brits fucked\nPhew bros..."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>17\n>Leftists unironically believe that this proves 7th century England had the racial demographics of 21st century London.\nI've already seen one mentally ill twat (calling himself 'john patrick') in the comment sections of multiple youtube comment sections posting shit about how Anglo-Saxons were diverse.\nSome of his comments:\n>And the \"Anglo Saxons\" were made up of many different races, including Scandinavian and African (recent find of West African girl in \"Anglo Saxon\" burial grounds, in Kent).\n\n>But they HAVE left traces - a girl of West African ancestry (part of a wider family) was found in an Anglo Saxon burial ground, near Updown in Kent! See: The Daily Mail Updown. So the \"Anglo-Saxons\" were part African!\n\n>The \"Anglo-Saxons\" were a diverse set of immigrants from all over Europe - and Africa (see Daily Mail Updown)."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>recent find of West African girl in \"Anglo Saxon\" burial grounds, in Kent\nIs that why Ben Franklin described Kentians as tawny?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>32\n>The slavery Guys who think every black person who ever left Africa must have been a slave despite no evidence for such claim\nIt's a reasonable assumption that someone who is found in a place so far from their ancestral homeland in a place surrounded by many other people who are dissimilar to them ethnically, and probably also culturally and linguistically might not have arrived there because they chose to go there."}, {"id": 58, "content": "Yes, this discovery is exactly why BBC should make every English historical figure black in documentaries."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>30\n>Why do assume slavery?\nover 10% of the population at the time were slaves up to the creation of the Domesday book in 1085 AD.\n\n>>23\n>Are you sure it's not DNA contamination?\n>Did anyone let the mixed intern handle the remains?\nI'm 100% betting on this.\nHell, The same woke retards blatantly lied in claiming that JS Bach and Beethoven were half black in the past. This is small fry in comparison.\nThere doesn't even need to be DNA contamination. Just lie instead. They routinely do it all the time.\n>>38\n>Okay anon whatever makes you feel better despite not evidence her ancestors were slaves\nIt's \"no evidence\" you illiterate retard."}, {"id": 60, "content": "Cheddar Man 2.0\nWhere are her descendants? What mark has she left on the English soil besides her grave?\nI'm really tired of these constant multiculti shilling attempts."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>The same woke retards blatantly lied in claiming that JS Bach and Beethoven were half black in the past\nA recent publication analyzed hair samples that allegedly belonged to Beethoven.\nLong story short, he was 0% Sub-Saharan."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>40\nSeething britcuck is mad"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>11\n>>Her African heritage came from her father's side\nThe sample being a woman it is not possible to reliably know if the African person in her ancestry was male or female. For what we know, her ancestry coming from her father can be explained by either her grandfather or her grandmother being African.\nRegardless, drawing wide reaching conclusions from one sample is not good method."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>52\nIt's actually a different sample. The Updown girl is not in the dataset for this study."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>28\nQRD?"}, {"id": 66, "content": "It's not that impossible. There are some North European families with African Y-DNA. They are 100% European, so it's not recent."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>unknown\nLol, what stupid BBC show did that crap come from?\nWTF."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nand here i thought angloids mixing with blacks was a modern phenomenon\n\nis there a historical reason for whites' attraction to SSA?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nPretty sure that's Dr. NuWho"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>13\nThey also DNA tested two nearby graves and the DNA would suggest those women were her grand aunts. They were buried with grave goods typical of an affluent family in the 600s. Updown girl is part of that same family."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>23\nWhy contamination when you can just lie?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>67\nDr. Who"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>4\n>>The fact that both the women and the girl were buried in the same way indicates that despite her different ancestry, the girl was treated equally as her other family members\nThat's the most interesting part, Doctor Who was ONCE AGAIN correct.\n\nHistory is a whitewash and mulattoes and real blacks have always been part of Europe."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nPlease kill yourself"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>59\n>>Are you sure it's not DNA contamination?\n>>Did anyone let the mixed intern handle the remains?\n>I'm 100% betting on this.\n>Hell, The same woke retards blatantly lied in claiming that JS Bach and Beethoven were half black in the past. This is small fry in comparison.\n>There doesn't even need to be DNA contamination. Just lie instead. They routinely do it all the time.\nI can certainly believe that.\nLook at what they did with Beachy Head Woman found on the south coast of England dating to Roman times. They claimed she was black, even put up a sign in the area saying something to the effect of her being the oldest known black person in Britain. Turns out she wasn't black at all. She was like Greeks.\nOr Cheddar Man."}, {"id": 76, "content": "First cheddar man, now this. When will yts stop getting assblasted by the fact that their ancestors were KARA BOGA?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>unknown\n>>67\n>>69\n>>72\nhttps://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-on-diversity-in-doctor-who-we-must-do-better-80637.htm\n\n>Moffat on Diversity in Doctor Who: “We must do better”\n\n>“We decided that the new companion was going to be non-white, and that was an absolute decision, because we need to do better on that. We just have to. I don’t mean that we’ve done terribly – our guest casts are among the most diverse on television, but I feel as though I could have done better overall.”\n\n>“It’s a show that has no excuse. Sometimes the nature of a particular show – historical dramas, for instance – makes diversity more of a challenge, but Doctor Who has absolutely nowhere to hide on this. Young people watching have to know that they’ve a place in the future. That really matters. You have to care profoundly what children’s shows in particular say about where you’re going to be.\n\n>“And we’ve kind of got to tell a lie: we’ll go back into history and there will be black people where, historically, there wouldn’t have been, and we won’t dwell on that. We’ll say, ‘To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we’ll summon it forth.’"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>First cheddar man\nGet fucked retard."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nPeep the skintone. Your ancestors were KARA BOGA and proud!"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nRace isn't just skintone brainlet."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n>dark-skin = SSA\nc'mon anon. that's black Twitter leftist tier trolling."}, {"id": 82, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuMWrfXG4E [Embed]\n\nUpdown Girl\nShe's been living in her updown world\nI bet she's never had a Saxon guy\nI bet her momma never told her why"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nlmao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There’s Miaphysite churches.\nThere’s Nestorian churches\nThere’s Modalist churches\nThere’s Arian churches\nBut where does one find a Monophysite church? The only strain of Christianity that I actually agree with has no presence today."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMonophysitism as a term is based on a slight misunderstanding of Miaphysitism."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nActually its a more optimistic term. When Pope Shenouda III declared the Coptics to be officially miaphysites, that worsened relations with the Greek Orthodox who saw Miaphysitism as a far worse heresy than Monophysitism. The Greek theologians at the time of the 4th and 5th Ecumenical Councils defined Miaphysitism as so vile it's nearly indistinguishable from satanism as it denies both the fullness of Christ's Divinity and the fullness of Christ's Humanity and creates, as they called it \"(a) third horrible thing\" where Christ is no longer the Eternal immutable God or sharing a nature with humanity to sanctify our nature, but some third abomination that isn't God and isn't a redeemer. This position was abhorent enough they had 2 Ecumenical Councils concerning it and Coptics for nearly a thousand years declared to the Greeks and Latins they were Monophysites either to not be persecuted even worse or that they actually believed it."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Damn, irenaeus must be rolling in his grave knowing these ancient heresies are still going strong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Indians literally chase Buffalo off cliffs killing hundreds at a time\n>but no it was le ebil yts who killed the Buffalo"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's true, it was whites the ones that brought it close to extinction.\n\nAlso, native americans, having less technology having a less developed society cannot be held accountable to the same standards"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\npaternal racism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndidn't they start chasing them into corrals once the population began dwindling?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Guess what happened to the original horses in their original habitat"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Indians were overhunting once they got guns and buffalo population was declining, this is true. Perhaps long-term it would've changed their lifestyles anyway.\nBut there's no way you get a 19th century near-extinction without the US government machine gunning them en masse to try and starve the natives out.\nThe population went from millions to triple digits in two decades. Natives couldn't hunt at that level, they didn't have the numbers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThey were domesticated?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>whites can do no wrong\nImmature /pol/cel thread"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nHorses originated in north america and were hunted to extinction by injun tards"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nNo one could hunt at that level, the buffalo population decline was mostly caused by diseases brought over by cattle."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>The population went from millions\nCitation needed"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Wasn't there a big drought in the 1850s?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>>8\n>Indians can do no wrong is whatabouted into whites can do no wrong\nYou belong on /pol/"}, {"id": 14, "content": "rangeban ameriturds, culturless historilets"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nand then eaten by the arabian horses\n\nhorse dies and then becomes grass"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>makes shit up\nYou belong in a daycare center."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLatter had a distinct policy to kill them off to pressure people who lived off them.\n/thread"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>White people migrate into area and upend the entire ecosystem\n>Wedindunuffin\nI cannot imagine being this afraid of critizing people tangentially related to me. These aren’t even your parents, and even then the amount of cases of this being due to malice instead of irrespnsibility were probably extremely low.\n\nYou faggots would find a way to black black people or Jews or something for the holocaust just because it hurts your feelings that a white person did something bad."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>even then the amount of cases of this being due to malice instead of irrespnsibility were probably extremely low.\nThere was an active campaign faggot as a part of the Indian wars. The only irresponsible part, and this isn't even certain, is that deaths of Indians due to diseases could have lead to a temporary burst leading to a temporary greater dependence on Bisons. But the mass culling was a part of a war.\nEnemies make each other's lives harder, thats what they do in wars. Its the luxury of not being in the conflict that leads moralists to say that it is \"wrong\"."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was sustainable killing. Not mindless industrial levels of killing like whiteskins do"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nk"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut it literally was the whites who killed the buffalo, retard."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nI love watching third worlders seethe"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>There was an active campaign faggot as a part of the Indian wars.\nSettlers and people moving och west also killed bison in droves."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "PHOENICIAN BROS…I"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>T.aleb"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey only took IQ tests on the Arabs. The Phoenician population are over 100 IQ on average."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLebanese often are also the \"goy\" working in tech throughout Israel. /g/ would like to meme that it's all Jews, but it isn't. The guy designing Apple's phone and M1 chips is a Lebanese Christian (formerly from Intel), for example."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>4\niq is not real, kys"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll the smart ones left the country for Canada or Brazil"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>All the smart ones left the country for Canada or Brazil\nWhy Brazil? it's a poor shithole"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nIdk, but they're doing pretty well there\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Brazilians"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nLol\n\n>>9\nBecause their completion is fucked Ipoor BRs, rich but very entitled and unambitious rich BRs , middle class BRs trying to not lose their position and a state that was relatively friendly.\n\nKinda similar to Lebs in West Africa or Indians in East Africa who occupied a niche position that opened up due to state policy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just don't believe these statistics"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How the hell did they survive this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Africa was a wealthy province, this is why I am not so quick to dismiss Justinian's reconquests. Even if they were tainted with victory disease stuff with the easy triumph over the vandals that led to carelessness in the next campaigns"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nI'd argue they didn't\nPeople ask when the Eastern Roman Empire died and became Byzantium and I would say it is this exact point where they lose almost everything and have to refound themselves around Greece"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMan, after reading a bit, the war was incredible, it was literally a total war"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHeraclius pulled a comically broken asspull\n>>3\n>didn't even bother to see the pic\nIt's during the sassanian wars, retard"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nit didn't survive, it's a shithole."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the collapse of the Western Roman Empire an exaggeration?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "As normies understand it, yes, though I'd prefer the term misunderstood."}, {"id": 3, "content": "What exaggeration? Western Europe turned from a good place for living to a feudal shithole with Germanic barbarian warrior caste at the top in their bumfuck little territories. Byzantine Empire was heaven compared to this."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Yes, not only life went on it everything was better off than before"}, {"id": 5, "content": "No, and anyone who tells you otherwise is 110 IQ midwit pseud at best. By every conceivable metric it was a disaster."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nOstrogothic Italy wasn't a shithole until Justinian invaded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThats stature has more to do with Terrone manlets spreading all over Italy and then Germanic barbarians migrating into the peninsula.\n>>6\nIt was worse than before but it's still am exception I would give you that."}, {"id": 8, "content": "In historigraphy the so called \"feudal revolution\" of the 9th century has been almost completely debunked. Feudalism was even harder in terms of legal limitation in the 4th century Western Rome. W. Rome was basicaly an insolvent failed state with moneid elites that didn't give a single fuck if the state collapsed or persevered. The eastern part in contrast was more ballanced economicaly."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>It's debooonked\n>Loosely organised barbarian hordes definitely didn't go around cutting out lands for themselves!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe state dissolved but the people survived"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nThis. The Dark Ages were real and were dark for a reason. They weren’t “1000 years of backsliding” like the Victorians insinuated but Western Europe greatly degenerated in almost every aspect for at least the next 3 centuries if not until the 9th when things finally stabilized enough to improve."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nthe state never dissolved, the germanic juntas of western europe recognized the emperor of constantinople as emperor of all rome"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n\nthey didn't , they found an an already advanced and pretty well regulated society and economy. The idea that post-Rome was some short of post-apocalypse has been completely debunked by archeology alone."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>The idea that post-Rome was some short of post-apocalypse has been completely debunked by archeology alone.\nFeudalism and no centralised authority is already a massive downgrade but ok whatever."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n\nWell here is the thing, feudalism has never existed, what existed is tenured servants and rentier land owners."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nThe Western Roman state did dissolve. There were no more Western emperors after Augustulus."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Feudalim has never existed\nHoly mother of contrarianism. We have Germanic warrior tribes terrorising former Roman citizens into servitude to carve out domains for themselves and you compare this anything that was happening during the Roman Empire?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nthe bureaucracy didn't really dissolve, they recognized the germanic military juntas as legitimate, and the germanic juntas recognized the eastern roman emperor as emperor of all of all rome, so rome didn't didn't collapse, it remained unified and functioning in a coherent manner that continues to this very day, especially since constantinople was conquered so the title of emperor then went to the Germans"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n\nHow does that sound strange for you? Charlemagne came from a mixed senatorial Gallo-Roman and Frankish lineage. The workers are the same , the relations of ownership are the same. The only thing that changed was that slavery started becoming more unprofitable after the 5th century and tenure became more permanent. But even the legal limits binding the peasants were always pretty loose and always in flux due to war, famines and crop failures. In contrast the number of noble Germanic title owners was always extremely small, the relations weren't really \"feudal\", they were more based on homage , a loose social bond that replaced roman citizenship to the senate/emperor. Beyond that little changed, when by eventually the high middle ages the big landowners start resembling big international holding companies and get into the moneyed economy and start renting and borrowing."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>It wasnt achshually feudalism but feudalism...\nThere weren't literal warbands creating their curbs where ever they could find. Thats a massive difference. The warrior caste replaced the old Roman upper class even subjugating it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n\nThe real degeneration happened because you had an ultra rich instution with vast lands known as the Catholic church, that was a state within a state, that kept the peasants iliterate , that kept them unable to read the Bible, and that infriltrated and regulated increasingly all aspects of life."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome fell when Justianian ordered his armies to retake Italy causing a brutal war depopulating much of the countryside and resulting in cities being sacked and ending the Western Senate which was doing just fine under the Ostrogoths."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>9\nThose \"barbarian hordes\" were Roman armies led by Roman generals, the most successful of which were of Germanic ethnicity."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVGH it's so beautiful bros"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nmake him overweight, give him a moustache and make him wear a crown and you get Charlemagne"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nFunny that you mention I found this AI reconstruction of what Alaric looked like (according to experts)."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>7\nOr de-urbanization resulting in lower disease burden."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nIt didnt suddenly 'turn' into anything, it went trough centuries of economic, social, political and demographic collapse, by the time the goths were strting theyr kingdoms it was practicaly a welcomed restart of basic government\nThe ostroghotic kingdom was pretty much a bizantine proxy and even a rudimentary reneisance by the standards of the time"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nthey didnt have pesants before the frankish civil wars, it was just local farmers and settled 'colons'"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>16\nYes there were, from the merovings to the franks to otton and onwards, those were the 'western emperors' given the crown by the pope of rome, therefore known as the 'holy roman emperors'\nget with it"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>18\n>they recognised them as legitimate\nYeah under the thread of killing moron"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nThe pope never had the authority to declare an Emperor. This is desperate cope."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nThis is like two anarchists discussing what makes a law and what makes a right\nWhat do you mean he didnt have the authority, he was the Pope of Rome\nObviously everione in the whole frankish empire believed he has that authority\nPracticaly the whole history of europe from then till 1492 can be seen as a long struggle betveen Rome and Constantinopol over who gets to claim that authority\nThe whole of western and central europe was basicaly a project of the catholic church based on that claim to authority"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nno wait, that was 1453, my bad"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>the retarded germans who never had claim to the empire make it legitimate even though the pope also never had a claim to the empire.\nSo according to you , every single actual emperor was fake until the Pope started it?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nIts not just about who gives the emperor the crown, theres a whole system of systems that went into it and these largely had some continuation trough the centuries, and not in spite of, but because, of the germanic takeovers, since these often did whatever they could to maintain a semblance of official legitimacy calling back to roman rule, as absurd as it usualy ended up looking, then there was the church which acted as a unifying institution, the latin language, the entire notion of a 'western empire' that various church and state organisations attempted to reboot over and over, its obvious from a cultural and geopolitical standpoint that what they were doing was trying desperately to restart and maintain the western empire\n\nYou had the same thing in the east, i mean originaly the ottomans called themselves the 'sultanate of rum'"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKind of but not really. Western Rome did cease to exist and the Roman elite got sent into the shadow realm. Plus there was a very marked decrease in complexity that wasn't in the east. Britain literally degenerated into the iron age.\nThe Romano-barbarian kingdoms were all chaotic dens of savages with the exception of the Ostrogoths (and it was still a little shit anyway, just not as shit). North Africa got taken over by Berbers and also the Germans (who were also savages in their own way).\nDepends on the area but it is generally very shit."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nBtw feudalism is a 100% inheritance of Rome.\nSome Roman states were big enough to have their own bishops."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nThe turk literally has more claim to the empire than any German crowned by the Pope.\nJust because the Pope split off from the empire doesn't just magically mean he can crown emperors.\n> theres a whole system of systems that went into it and these largely had some continuation trough the centuries,\nThis is correct\n> and not in spite of, but because, of the germanic takeovers\nThis is completely wrong and I'm surprised you somehow reach that conclusion.\nOnce you delete the programming from reading \"eastern rome\" as the foreign pretender you realize that what you're saying makes zero sense. It was western european writers in the 19th and 20th centuries salty that the east was the real Rome."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nIt really is kind of funny how the roman east was freer and relatively less degenerated than the West.\nConsidering my own presuppositions about a roman empire managed by Syrians."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nOr well. Local Roman institutions are managed by Syrians."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>Just because the Pope split off from the empire doesn't just magically mean he can crown emperors.\n\nBut... the Pope DID crown emperors, i mean what do you want us to do now, go build a time machine and tell them they were officialy wrong because forchun says so?\n\n>This is completely wrong...\nObviously by constantinopols standards it was wrong, i understand what youre trying to say\nHence all the centuries of wars and reconquistas they fought to proove its wrong\nBut by frankish and german reconing it wasnt wrong, they claimed to be the 'holy roman empire' and for all intents and pretenses they functioned as such, and therefore so it was, they even lasted longer than bizantium for fuck sake\n\nI mean who the fuck even made the roman empire the roman empire, Like if you asked the carthagians or the ptolomeis they were just a bunch of hardass latins that got it in theyr heads they can rule the mediterran without aniones say so, at least the 'holy roman emperors' could fall back on the idea the pope of rome gave them the crown, the fuck did people know back then, you think someone west of the alps even understood where constantinopol even is\n\nwere talking mad max scenarios here"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>But by frankish and german reconing it wasnt wrong, they claimed to be the 'holy roman empire' and for all intents and pretenses they functioned as such,\nThey claimed it, they also had constant tensions with Italian states that kept fighting them for generations and even attacked them while they would be crowned.\nI think it's rather obvious the Germans/franks were imposers of their rule instead of graced with it.\n>for all intents and pretenses they functioned as such, and therefore so it was, they even lasted longer than bizantium for fuck sake\nExcept it didn't. This is my point. The Franks/Germs used the title to establish their rule over Europe and ran with it as long as it kept them above other kings. Once they lost this prestige/power they stopped caring about being crowned by the Pope. Byzantium actually kept the systems and traditions for continuations.\n>they even lasted longer than bizantium for fuck sake\nWell since Charles V and Sulieman were still refusing to call each other emperors and claiming the title we can argue the east lasted longer in the form of the Ottomans. But by this point those actual systems and traditions have completely broken down."}, {"id": 44, "content": "Best comparison I saw was the decolonization of Africa. Some places were fine, others literally saw more violence than at any point in their history and actually became poorer"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\n\nSure but, you understand what i mean, by that logic the soviet union was not a continuation of the tzarist empire, and modern china is not a continuation of imperial china, and current year ethiopia has nothing to do with haile selasie etc etc...\nOr another example, even tho were talking about proceses that went on for many generations and involved mass migrations over a thousand years ago and so on, but after the berlin wall fell and all the ex soviet states became democratic republics who do you think formed the new democratic governments, the ex communists did, right, but how did they get there, well most of them were there when the red army took the place, but what place was that, well it was that place that the germans conquered, but how was that place even there as a territory, well at the end of ww1 the empires collapsed and the local nationalists had a couple of years of ethnic clensing to determine where the borders are and so on and so forth and we can go on like that till atilla the hun, you get what im trying to say\nIm thinking about these things geopoliticaly more than anything, anyone that in the middle ages could write, could write a piece of paper claiming that his uncle is the rightfull heir to poland or whatever, could we today truly trace back the bizantine official correspondence in verified documents that could stand up in a court of law? but only certain robust systems maintained trough centuries, concrete continuous contingents of military and political power, so the 'western roman empire' was technicaly continued by the frankish empire and later the hre, this is just obvious, its not just a question of official legitimacy, i mean what does that even mean at that point, its that it was a whole project, ran by the catholic church as the main unifying institution, for centuries, you could go as far as saying the european union is the final incarnation of it\nBasicaly; the empire never ended\nIt just sort of dissolves and coagulates"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Doesn't define \"Western Roman Empire\".\n>Doesn't define \"collapse\"\n>Asks loaded question that already gives his answer away\nSmfh"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>6\n>>22\nPlague and the literal mini ice age of the mid 6th century caused equally, if not more, devastation to Italy\n>and ending the Western Senate which was doing just fine under the Ostrogoths.\nWestern senate kept going until the reign of Phocas or so, even then, they were largely irrelevant even before Justinian's reconquests"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>36\n>i mean originaly the ottomans called themselves the 'sultanate of rum'\nBecause they conquered and ruled ROMAN land, they weren't claiming to be a Roman government\n>>42\n>But... the Pope DID crown emperors, i mean what do you want us to do now, go build a time machine and tell them they were officialy wrong because forchun says so?\nPoint is that they were not legally legitimate \"Roman\" emperors, they were officially recognised by Nicephoros I a few years later, but as emperors of a separate nature and institution.\n>>45\nI get your argument of the Western institutions that popped up post fall of the WRE being its continuations, i.e. Frankish Kingdom, HRE, Catholic Church etc, but I feel like they largely failed in their goals and cohesiveness."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Could it be said that the Sun is our God?\n\n> without it, life on earth could not exist\n>provides energy to living things\n>It especially benefits us humans since we are practically solar panels compared to other animals, for a reason we have little hair\n>provides us with vitamin D, which strengthens our defenses as well as promoting the retention and absorption of calcium and phosphorus, mainly in the bones\nIf we think about it, all religions praise or venerate and derive from a solar cult"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Physical things are symbols of divine realities thought not divine reality itself."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's analogous to God but only imperfectly. Likewise believing God was made by or revolves around man is geocentrism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo because scientifically we can estimate that the sun will burn out and die one day, while a true God is eternal."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI fucking hate you so much, pretentious little cunts who think they’re spiritual hot shit. You’re a stain in the mud cocksucker"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, that's paganism and it is outdated\npic related is Svetovid slav Sun god (Svet + Vid = Light + Vision) \"svet\" also meaning \"world\", which didn't exist until alight by the light(svet) of the Sun. At the same time, the Sun sees (vid) the world from the sky making Svetovid both \"the one who sees the world\" and \"the othe who let us see the world\""}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m agnostic but it can be considered a divine object at least. It fertilizes our earth for life and powers our bodies"}, {"id": 8, "content": "There's no reason to call it a god when you can just call it a star. It'll burn out one day and it will ignore any and all attempts at \"spiritually\" connecting to it, because it is a star.\nAdding a nebulous term to describe something with some additional spiritual flair doesn't really do anything in the long run, especially when the term doesn't apply to the subject."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdolatry"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwithout air, you also couldnt exist. is air also your god?\nScience already proven that sun is merely a ball of plasma, what benefit could worshipping a mindless heap of light could do to us?\n>>2\nbased"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChristian God says no. We will one day have our own sun and he is Jesus Christ. The Bible God boasts of powering its own Heavenly City that can even live without the sun.\nIt will be capable of things God says you haven't imagined yet. Like flying us into the middle of stars even, or to other galaxies and who knows what else God has in store."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou don’t have to worship it, but it is the closest thing to a god that exists and very easily can be considered a divine object in reality."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\n(It's pretty much the size of the United States, as it would fit there like a puzzle piece)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">for thousands of years Christianity and theists in general makes a big deal about the idea of an origin of motion and change as being divine\n>we discover over thousands of years the actual origin of virtually all motion and change in our world\n>Christians and theists don’t care because it’s not Jesus\nInfuriating if I didn’t know it was pure stupidity"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>closest thing to a god that exists\nstart of existence is closest thing to a miracle average person will experience, until proven otherwise the start of our universe, call it creation or incarnation or yuga, is a thing that is beyond laws of physics we currently have. One thing transforms into another, nothing or a hypothetical pre-existence matter becomes existence.\nI know it is hard to tell with simple words, and prpbably you didnt get what i meant. This start of existence is indefinitely bigger than sun itself."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nbasically this is the closest we know about a metaphysical issue. Reading abou photons and quantum physics make me more and more abandon the idea of worshipping sun or any physical matter. In reality, these dont matter. Our ancestors eventually knew this, they developed philosophies and spiritual teachings. The fact that we still use philosophical terms proves that they werent mad men's gibberish words but actually they were intelligent people of their time that yearned to learn truth.\n>but sun is als-\nit is a physical matter and it will stay as a physical matter\nworship truth. Peace!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>6\n>and it is outdated\nIt's the most down to earth faith, all religions make much less sense."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nI know what you mean but I think you’re downplaying the existence of an unfashionably powerful object shining on us 24/7, powering our bodies, activating the clocks in all our cells, literally the light of the world lighting our way and making us feel happy. It’s the most powerful object from our perspective and it is so bright you literally cannot look at it"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nFor low IQ niggers like you, indeed. Have fun worshipping fire and water, nigger"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>all religions make much less sense.\nwhy seeking cause of existence and truth is so hard."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nFull English sentences please"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>you’re downplaying the existence of an unfashionably powerful object shining on us 24/7\ni am not doenplaying it, but in fact you are exaggerating its' importance. Compared the whole universe eith many stars the sun is just one among others. If sun didnt exist, universe would still exist.\nbrightness of sun compared to much bigger stars is again might be fascinating for you but it is not so fascinating in comparison to bigger others.\nwe can think of an universe where sun simply didnt exist, but thinking about an universe where existence or truth didnt exist is much harder and perhaps impossible."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>sun didnt exist, universe would still exist.\nNone of us would exist"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\n>No, that's paganism and it is outdated\nAt present, on that date Christmas is commemorated for the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem of Judea. However, pre-Christian societies held great celebrations for the beginning of the longest days and the gradual solar victory over the winter darkness, key to the yield of the crops and the livelihood of the population.\nOn the same date that we celebrate Christmas -December 25- the Romans celebrated the festival of \"natalis Solis invicti\" or birth of the unconquered Sun, associated with the birth of Apollo. Let us always remember that the cycles of nature were essential for life in those times. The Romans associated Saturn as an agricultural god, protector of crops. In these festivities, the houses were decorated with plants and candles and oil lamps were lit to celebrate Saturn and with him, the beginning of the end of winter. But the great celebratory apotheosis of this period was the night of December 24, when families visited each other for dinner, they showed off their finest Gallics and rich delicacies were offered, as it was the eve of the Festival of the Unconquered Sun.\nthe Sun has great significance but not only would Jesus be born on that date; other divinities of other cults were also born around the Winter Solstice. Without going into making a booklet on comparative religions we can make a brief and quick comparison of dates:\nHorus: was born on December 25 of the virgin Isis-Meri. Mithras: born on December 25, in a dark cave of a virgin.\nSiddhartha Gautama–Buddha: born to Queen Maya and heralded by a star (but celebrated in many places in May.\nIn Japan it is celebrated on April 8.)"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God creates the sun for humans\n>Retarded humans start praising the sun instead of the architect who created and gifted it to us\nMakes sense that 99% of paganism is just the personifications of natural phenomena"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat Pepe is this?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were the nazis secretly Jewish?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What ISN'T Jewish?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. Their Zionist plan was to destroy Europe, and they succeeded beyond their masters wildest expectations."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Schizo thread"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo but there were actual Jews like Karl Radek who admired Hitler."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler banned freemasonry you disingenuous kike shill"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Judeo-Christian Jews"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler was atleast 1/4 jewish or something like this right"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHe was also a trans Muslim meth addict with 1 leg and a black father, I hear."}, {"id": 10, "content": "It was funded by many western jews."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>Hehe, of course, all freemasons are banned in Germany, take our word for it goy."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes.\nJudeo-Hitlerite."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was there any reason the Catholic Church didn’t create kingdoms in the Americas? Why isn’t there a kingdom of Mexico, for example, if it could’ve bolstered the prestige of the Spanish crown?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey did. What do you think the Viceroys were?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbro the logo looks like KFC but Fascist Italy\nisnt fasces a literal pagan symbol that was revived by freemasons?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere was an empire"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nI thought a viceroy was the same as a vassal duke.\nSo was the king of Spain also crowned the king of Mexico, or whatever they called it?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Indies"}, {"id": 7, "content": "A powerful king ruling the far away colonies and representing their interests which may diverge from yours does not help the Spanish crown. Like demonstrated when the prince made Brazil a thing, completely undermining Portuguese power."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSure but the title empress of India is impressive and grants someone an imperial dignity, and affirms your legitimacy through title rather than conquest.\nThe kingdom of Brazil didn’t undermine Portuguese power but the empire did.\n>>6\nVery based but I would’ve made cooler names"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nThe Knights of Columbus are basically just Catholic masons, the organization is clearly directly inspired by freemasonry."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't understand the Roman Catholics backing a Republican Ireland.\nIt makes no sense. They should have tried to put the Stewart claimants in as an Irish prince or king."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrazil was an independent kingdom for a while."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Catholic masons\nSAY WHAAAAAAAT\nenlighten us"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt did, the the Spanish and Portuguese kings were the Catholic placeholder for such thrones that today we call colonies. Independent monarchies like the empire of Brazil or the Mexican empires were not possible because of the strong francophilia of the revolutionary aristocrats in the continent that in majority favoured republicanism over establishing american monarchies. It also didn't help that when such monarchical projects were considered, most of the time they never managed to agree over who they would offer such crown to, and in the few cases when a candidate was chosen like the Duke of Lucca for Argentina or infant Agustin of Spain for Ecuador for example, non monarchical factions would immediately chimp out and prevent further advance of he project. And giving the great distance of the papacy and the Americas and their diminishing economic and political power there really was not much the pope could do about this even if he wanted too, which in general he did as the Pope's were content with such republics just being friendly to the church."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>Duke of Lucca for Argentina\nMore on this? I can't find anything and it seems genuinely interesting."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlequin-type_ichthyosis\n\nSorry kid.. you're a dirty sinner who deserves Hell. Repent.\n>Christians defend this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Sorry kid.. you're a dirty sinner\nYou're referring to original sin, I presume? That is a specifically Roman Catholic belief. So no, Christians, in general, do not believe/defend this."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy God don't just create the kid directly in heaven\nso roundabout to have it's body die first"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis and severe Down syndrome are my biggest fears if I ever get a women pregnant and she gives birth. Id almost be better if they were stillborn because then they wouldn’t have to spend their next few hours, days, or god forbid weeks only knowing agony."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>mobilefag\nThe absolute state of Atheists.\nsage"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nDownies can live for decades, bro"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDepends on the type. The more severely impaired typically die early in infancy from seizures and inability to eat or breathe, some choke to death. It’s terrible and heartbreaking."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Atheists believe this is nothing more than protoplasm on legs so who cares?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWho cares about atheists? If the desert demon is real, \"but what about atheists\" isn't a real response to people saying he's le bad."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n/thread\n>>3\nholy shit op backtracking and moving the goalpost two posts in"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nJust check before birth?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nIt's not a very fulfilling life.\nThe other day I was walking home and saw a woman pushing a wheelchair with a lad (about his late teens) on it. The boy had some cognitive issue and he was repeatedly making loud noises somewhat like this\nhttps://youtu.be/2thxtUzAtVk?t=20 [Embed]\nI don't think that can really be called a life and it must be a terrible burden on his family."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>deflecting\n>>10\nCatholics constitute the majority of Christians retard"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nffs these kids end up being fine. they need a lot of lotion however.\nhttps://www.lovewhatmatters.com/i-asked-my-husband-if-he-had-it-he-said-yes-one-nurse-even-said-i-think-he-has-what-mommy-has-he-had-white-chunks-of-skin-around-his-fingers-and-toes-and-wa/"}, {"id": 15, "content": "All children who die without being baptised would have grown up to be disbelieving murderers and you can't prove they wouldn't have. This is God's wisdom and justice because God is all-wise and all-just so he gives everyone exactly what they deserve in the afterlife."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nWhy would a loving God allow this though?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>all would have\nWow, what are the chances?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nAtheists are contradicting themselves by complaining about it because they simultaneously act as if man is a creature with value and an inherent dignity while also saying he's nothing more than a moist robot"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSorry kid but your dad angered the Lord.\n\n>You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Who are we to question God? We deserve much worse for our rebellion against Him. It’s only by His ongoing mercy that we aren’t all immediately damned."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nGay, you fucking proletariat."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nThat's completely irrelevant. You're just throwing around an ad hom, the point stands whether it's criticism given about your theology by an atheist, hindu or zoroastrian. If you can't defend this, just say so."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>muh logical fallacies\nWhy do redditors think there’s a fucking rulebook for online slapfights? He didn’t even insult anyone, he pointed out what he believes is a contradiction"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAd hominem is not necessarily an insult, retard. It's when you target the speaker instead of the argument."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't happen."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNigger, I just ate. I didn’t want to see this shit."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I don't believe in God...except when kids get diseases, at which point He is solely responsible\nWhy are atheists like this? &Humanitiesly speaking that is."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nYou don’t seem to understand the concept of entertaining a thought without believing it, do you?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Anencephaly however is quite horrific. The baby doesn't develop a cerebral cortext and cannot achieve consciousness, but can still perform autonomous reflexes for a few days or hours until it dies. Fortunately these disorders are very rare in First World countries."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI can understand the concept of deliberately misconstruing the theological conceptions behind Christianity and then imposing those misconceptions in the form of a strawman argument for the sake of mentally stunted schoolyard \"gotcha\" games"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">If God real, why thing I don't like happen?\n\nYou can't pretend to understand what Christians call \"God\" and say shit like this. It's like you're trying to come up with a moral argument against gravity because you fell and got hurt, expecting a physicist to go \"Damn, you got me there.\""}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>2\nSo why did sky jew include hideous deformities in his design?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Conquers everything with reach for no apparent reason other than a fanatical devotion to wealth\n>Prolific explorers\n>Sells themselves as mercenaries to anyone who will pay\n>Vandalise and pillage hundreds of holy sites.\n>Terrorises the seas and coasts with naval capability far beyond that of those they fight\n>Slavery as an integral part of society.\n>Beloved and larped as by the modern man\n\nPic unrelated, i'm talking about Vikings"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Debunked. Vikings were enlightened Black abolitionists"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Pic unrelated\n\nNo shit\nBritain conquered everything out of reach but was never able to conquer anything at its doorstep\nAlso Brits never served as mercenaries, they were the ones paying others to fight in their stead\n\nIn the first two sentences it was already obvious you werent talking about these cowards"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Britain conquered everything out of reach but was never able to conquer anything at its doorstep"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>britain\n>never able to conquer Ireland\nkek do paddies seriously believe this as they type, in English?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Also Brits never served as mercenaries, they were the ones paying others to fight in their stead\nAh yes, the British were the one and only Europeans to ever use Privateers."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Conquers everything with reach for no apparent reason other than a fanatical devotion to wealth\nAlso for prestige"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Beloved and larped as by the modern man\nDoesn't really work since nobody larps as the british empire. Their whole getup is weird and gay."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually the pic IS related, since viking and other north Germanic ancestry forms an enormous part of English and Scottish genetic stock and cultural background."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were aristocrats lighter than peasants historically speaking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlue eyes = high IQ"}, {"id": 3, "content": "they didn't work under the sun and could be fragile reading faggots inside, retard"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBut they also had lighter hair and eyes"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Reminder that op is an annoying canadian of arab descent trying to poke italians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWas your obsessive inferiority complex towards Italians caused by you getting cucked by one?\nNo need to answer. It's obvious.\n\n>>4\n>painting of Madonna, a non-Italian\nNot even trying"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndo you have any works to cite about this?\nnote: memes are not written works"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThat's Lucrezia Tornabuoni you idiot"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nOp is a Arab canadian with severe mental illness"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon looks swarthy too, also ironically you call that f1 driver a commoner since he’s richer than all of us combined"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNo I'm brazillian"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>Napoleon looks swarthy\nNo he Doesn't"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nagain, i am asking for a literal any written work to back up your claim. ANYTHING, please ANY-STUPID-THING."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nno it's a south american, don't know which one, they're a hive mind"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nIn this pic no but in the op he does, plus there’s those accounts of him that said he had a yellowish look."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nI think he's the Mexican"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nBrazilian it seems. But there is one doing these pictures that is definitely an arab canadian, i saw him several times."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\nYou are talking to one of the lowest creatures the white race can produce. Should be considered an honorary third-worlder."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nNo i'm the Tajik"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nno you're a mexican"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>no you're a mexican"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAristocratic powers are based on racial supremacy"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nOp is not white. He is either a Arab or an actual spic"}, {"id": 24, "content": "mediterranean elite"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\nYou're from pakistan."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>13\nyou guys have to stop discussing with these south americans in any serious manner\nthey are below abbos, there's no reason to speak to them, they love when people take their shitty collages seriously"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nDante had a striking profile."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nIt's what I say. Just ignore them and let them babble about their fantasies in peace."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nYou ain’t seen nothing yet"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\ndo you understand that OP doesn't actually believe that there's a blonde mediterranean elite and it's just trying to generate discussion?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nBlue eyes and light brown hair"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Reminder Op is picrel though"}, {"id": 33, "content": "\"Spanish\" Conquistador"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>8\nThis is how Lucrezia Tornabuoni actually looked. Brown eyes and dark hair. So nordic."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nsure, wanted to drop the pic regardless"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nYou bought a proxy just to post that"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nSo Mediterranean..."}, {"id": 38, "content": "So swarthy..."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nI have no idea who this guy is but here's a portrait of Hernan Cortez when he was young."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nSomehow the fact that the sky is cloudy makes me think they somehow look darker.\nJust looks weird.\nCamera quality maybe?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>32\nI actually kinda pity this guy now. I thought there was no way somebody could be this pathetic and insecure just by being born MENA.\n\n>>34\n>>37\nThe NORDIC husband of Lucrezia Tornabuoni. Lord of Florence and one of the most powerful and wealthy people of his time."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Pale skin and light brown hair\n>>39\nNot a contemporary portrait"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nWhy are you posting a saturated hogh contrast picture kek"}, {"id": 44, "content": "\"Spanish\" conquistador"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nMy apologies. Here's another one from 4 years after the conquest or around that."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nLooks French or German"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are many swarthy noblemen too.\n>>10\n>that f1 driver a commoner since he’s richer than all of us combined\nKek, this."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\n>Dark brown eyes are a nordic feature now\n\n>>43\nA few seconds of Google can tell you that he had black hair.\n>\"His beard was black and sparse, as was his hair, which at the time he sported in the same way as his beard\"\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hern%C3%A1n_Cort%C3%A9s#Physical_appearance"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\n\"Swedish\" scientist"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\ndon't bother he's not here for a serious discussion, some other reason will come up"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>47\n>he was embarassed of his appearence\nMakes sense. Compare with his contemporaries"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nMore proof that all these \"swarthy\" elites pass better as swedes than as their own subjects\n>>48\n>Dark brown eyes are a nordic feature now\nWhen did I say they were?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nI remember you, shizo."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nA painting made by a guy born 100 years after him?\n\"Spanish\" writer"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>one guy vs twenty\nWho's the real schizo again?"}, {"id": 56, "content": "Uhh... Nordic sisters, how could we allow ourselves to get ruled by a med subhuman?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nSeething iberberian"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>41\nOne of my friends (North Indian by descent) had an Ex BF who was an Arab white supremacist. Honestly, as an actual white person, I feel kinda sorry for how buck broken many non-whites are. People should take some pride in their culture, God damn it."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n*gets bleached*"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\nNordics dont care about monarchy... unlike Spanish... take a load of her frankish rulers"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>54\nBased on 1737 painting. The greatest nordic scientist is brown eyed on every painting though."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\nI'm literally northern european with dark features and noble origin. Cope more."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nSadly, the meds have forever mutted the Swedish royal bloodline. The hair of every Swedish king is going to remain dark and never again be blonde."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nPorcelain skin is a dark feature?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nSo \"med\""}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>61\nWho? Tycho brahe? Rolf widerøe? Ernest lawrence? Gustav Ising? Nobel?\nAll those have photos rather than paintings. Except brahe"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nAre you sure about that?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>62\nWhy do you post white people and believe they look like you? Pablo\nI see you with contempt"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">the inventor of the Nordic aryan race theory and a member of the supposedly pure Frankish nobility was just a dark-eyed manlet who had to marry a mulatto\nlmao"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nSpic things!\nTruly a diagusting race"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>dark-eyed manlet who had to marry a mulatto\nBet his children looked like Spaniards"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>47\nbased\nblondies itt: seethe"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nLooks like varg. Kek!\n\nAnother L for spics"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>\"Gobineau is a man of about 55, with grey hair and moustache, dark rather prominent eyes\"\n>- Wilfrid Scawen Blunt\nIn his curiously few portraits, he made sure to have himself looking as \"aryan\" as possible."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nHe has pictures so we can see him. No need for descriptions\nHe is rather identical to varg"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nIf you are forced to accept dark eyes as a scandinavian trait, then that's fine."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>71\n\nWhy are Mud-Mutt-Terra-neans so ugly ?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nYou can zoom the picture. He clearly has grey eyes.\nSorry medmoor! Another day.\nBack to your sand-hut"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>15\n>yellowish\nSunburn off HRE and Ottoman Nile campaign?"}, {"id": 80, "content": "i returned to thread and op still didnt porvided any written material to back up his claim and spams memes\nis he a teenager?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nPortraits are memes?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>69\nwhy the \"muh white race\" people turn out to look like the brown people they hate?\nthis is like a daily occurance for me."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>5\nWe know.\nMeds vs nordics is always a proxy war of nafris vs sudacas, no actual euros involved on either side."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>32\nfalseflagging terroni"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nSamefagging medmoor coping that he looks like varg lmao"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>81\nANY-STUPID-SINGLE-WRITTEN-WORK, please, i beg you\n>but portra-\ndoesnt prove anything, except your point is being observation of an art movement or something. You presented a theory, support it with ANY written work. I literally beg you to redpill me."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>78\nI trust the written account of a man who saw and knew him personally more than a black-and-white illustration.\nYou nordics should be paying respects to this med for inventing your ideology."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nYou know who else looks like varg? Garibaldi\nHahahahaha medmoors not like this"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>85\nI am these:\n>>86\n>>80\n>>13\n>>7"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\n>>87\nFace-blind Autists"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\n>illustration\nIs a picture where you can clearly glance at his nordic features.\ndon't you ever saw gray eyes of a dark shade dumb spic? Most shitskinned comment i ever saw"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n>please give me any written work to back your claim, i want to read\n>no, look at these portraits instead\n>you didnt presented a theory about art or photography, except you are presenting a research paper that observes all portraits and reaches a conclusion you are just spamming photos. PLEASE provide any work, I beg you\n>you are autist lol\nI am literally even ok with a schizo blog post rn, please just provide anything to back your claim"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>don't you ever saw gray eyes of a dark shade dumb spic?\nyou are making the incorrect assumption white enough people exist in medmoor madlands for them to see such things"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\n>>90\n>gray eyes\nGive me a written source of his grey eyes. Or you're just coping.\nA subjective claim that a black and white portrait is depicting grey eyes doesn't count. Sorry.\n\nBy the way, here's a picture of the mediterranean king of Sweden."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nThe only reason he became king was because of the nordic Napoleon"}, {"id": 96, "content": "I'm having a identity crisis, nordic bros...\nI was told that we Nordics ruled Italy but I keep finding portraits of the ruling class looking like med subhumans..."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>nordic Napoleon\nNapoleon was Scandinavian?\nredpill us"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\ngive me a source proving his eyes weren't grey, dumb spic.\ni don't care about a kang in the year 1844, monarchy in scnadinavia was larguely powerless for these centuries quite honestly, here is a collection of paintings of the most relevant kang in your history, though"}, {"id": 99, "content": "medmoors... what is happening"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nthe most relevant spanish king was swarhoid Ferdinand II"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n>>99\n>>98\n>>96\n>>95\n>>94\n>>88\nits all pointless talk if we arent presenting any written source\nOP, I LITERALLY BEG YOUUUUU TO PRESENT ANY RESEARCH PAPER I EVEN ACCEPT A BLOG POST BY A SCHIZO RN I WANT TO EXAMINE AND GET REDPILLED ABOUT THIS LIGHT SKINNED ELITE IN MEDITERRANEAN"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\nmany are brown eyed with dyed hair.\nmost meds look the same"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nbooks, written record and such are also accepted btw."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>96\nLooks French. Here's what meds look like"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>100\nyou meant that retard that turned down the ginger blue eyed Columbus only for the blue eyed pale light brown haired Isabel I to give him ships instead?"}, {"id": 106, "content": "OP insists on not presenting anything written"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>102\n>many are brown eyed with dyed hair.\n\n>aktually, we died our hair to resemble nordic massa... trust us sir, good morning"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>104\nBait"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>99\n>the first person to post this image had a Mexican flag\nHoly shit lmao. I don't need to say anything else.\n\n>>104\nThe nordic master race... my ancestor..."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\n>OP insists on not presenting anything written\n>>107\n>died our hair\n*and beards\n>>109\nPale skin, Straight nose, wavy hair. Nordic"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>105\nThey were Cousins."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\n>be medmoor\n>suffer"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>107\n>resemble nordic massa\nany written evidence that Mediterranean countries were vassals to Scandinavian countries?\nYou call them masters to mediterranean, thats very interesting claim\n>>110\nso you accept that you dont have any written evidence, therefore your claim is unscientific. No records, no research, no blog post, no manuscript, no anything.\nWhy you even wanna be a historian\nbtw I am not even a chink, not even close"}, {"id": 114, "content": "These threads are gay"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\nyes, the frankish bvlls represented 90% of medmoor noblity.\nhouse of Aviz? capetian\nhouse of barcelona? Visigothic\nJimenez dynasty? I1 haplogroup, nordic exclusive\nrest of iberian noblity? all trastamaran, of capetian origin.\nits fucking over medbugsister"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>113\nRead the entire works of; Madison grant, Hans F. K. Günther, Arthur de Gobineau, Gustaf Kossinna , Otto Ammon, and Carleton S. Coon and come back to me."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>114\nThe hyperborean next to him lmao.\nbtw nose drops with age, unlike eyes that don't bleach, check his eye color in detail HAHAHHA"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\n>yes, the frankish bvlls represented 90% of medmoor noblity.\nFranks are not from Scandinavia, they are from lowlands\nYou said Nordic\n>its fucking over medbugsister\nI am not a med supremacist\n>>116\nthank you, finally"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>101\n>OP, I LITERALLY BEG YOUUUUU TO PRESENT ANY RESEARCH PAPER\nThere is zero chance. All evidence of the \"nordic elite\" ruling over the mediterraneans hinges on cherry picked and subjective interpretations of portraits and/or just playing dumb.\nThere is no way he isn't trolling or mentally ill. But I guess I feel kinda dumb for wasting any time all in this thread."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nI think he is claiming that Franks were ancestors to all mediterranean noble families, not literal Norse. Which is a very fascinating info about medieval times, I will read about it more."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\n>Franks are not from Scandinavia, they are from lowlands\n>You said Nordic\ndumb ape, dumb dumb spic ape, im enraged by how dumb you are stupid goblinito"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nthis stupid alpine hijra does not know about the nordic race, hwo dumb can this pygmy goblinito apes be?\nalso the netherlands are in northern europe, nordic isn't synonimous with scandinavian\nwaht a dumb spic monkey"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>112\n>having to resort to posting the same illustrations as before and including brown-eyed meds\ndesperate.\n\n>>120\nYes, I know. But that's not entirely true, since no historian claims anymore that the German invaders entirely replaced the native Roman ruling class, in fact they were often left alone and/or intermarried with - both elites and commoners."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\n>dumb ape, dumb dumb spic ape, im enraged by how dumb you are stupid goblinito\nsays the guy who doesnt know European geography\nNorse is the red circle, Green circle is where Salian Franks lived.\nAlso, I am not even mad rn. I am just disappointed. And I am not a mediterranean supremacist trying to defend my race, because I am not even a med."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>117\nHis nasal bridge got sliced off and he lost his right eye in a tournament accident."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>122\nthe curse of the hijra-ape. truly disgusting, is true that the modern mediterranean goblin race is the offspring of basal eurasians, iberomaurusian pygmies, and other negroids elements."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>123\n>since no historian claims anymore that the German invaders entirely replaced the native Roman ruling class, in fact they were often left alone and/or intermarried with\nFoederati did replaced the Romans, tho. And the houses he posted does in fact has foederati ancestry"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>123\n>Yes, I know. But that's not entirely true, since no historian claims anymore that the German invaders entirely replaced the native Roman ruling class, in fact they were often left alone and/or intermarried with - both elites and commoners.\nthey entirely displaced them and normally decapitated them like with syragys, a bunch were kept as eunuchs, thats why no noble in europe is called \"maximus\" ever, but plenty of Widdoberts, geoffreys, and Ermesinds.\nparticullary frranks practiced sallic individual law for 600 years, this creates an appartheid state where they only married people of their same caste, as they responded to different legal codes, only possible trough social segregation. roman nobles were fed to pigs, really, some might have offered their daugthers, but was rather uncommon"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>116\nBased celtic BVLLS destroyed germanoids"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>124\n>>unknown\nwhat a dumb, stupid ape hijra, really, im going to murder you\n\nnordic refers to the nordic race, alternatively to this, NORTH-western europe\nscandinavian refers to the ppeninsula"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\n>really, some might have offered their daugthers, but was rather uncommon\nEh, you are kinda exaggerating now. Roman senators' descendants were still active but held no power except for minor ittles or being literal serfs. They were BTFO'd by pope in 1193\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune_of_Rome"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\n>im going to murder you\nno reason to get mad, I am here to learn\n>nordic refers to the nordic race\nNordic means \"From north\"\n>alternatively to this, NORTH-western europe\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>127\n>>128\nOdoacer largely kept the power structure in place, Roman elites kept their huge estates and even the senate remained.\n>has foederati ancestry\nSo do regular Italians, yet somehow having distant Germanic ancestry only seems to make one considered \"nordic\" if a member of the upper class."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">19 posters\n>137 replies\nAutists the lot of you."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>129\nnope, celts, particullary gauls were described by all antrhopologists as alpine goblins\n\n\n> The Frankish state was the only Germanic state to successfully survive this period. Nevertheless, the arrival of unknown populations could have influenced the autochthonous Frankish population. Biological contacts between them are strongly reflected phenotypically in head/skull dimensions. The aim of this craniometric analysis of the Merovingian cemetery at Norroy-le-Veneur (NV), present-day France, is to contribute to an understanding of population changes during the Migration Period. The NV data were compared, using univariate statistical analysis adapted to the state of preservation of the skulls without the use of imputation techniques, with the current database of European burials. Intersexual and interpopulation differences were tested by bootstrap two-sample t test applied to winsorized measurements, indices and their z scores. Overall, NV is similar in terms of skull shape to the other Merovingian cemeteries. Males have significantly longer ultradolichocephalic skulls than dolichocephalic females and greater biauricular width.\n\n>The different shape of the skulls from Hungarian territory in the Early Middle Ages is due to the arrival of the Huns and Near-Eastern Sarmat-Alan populations, characterized by shorter and wider skulls, in the Carpathian Basin. The results suggest that they probably did not interfere too much genotypically in western European regions and did not significantly affect the Germanic Franks.\n\ngauls are characterized by heavy brachycephaly, while Franks were desribed by modern craniometric anlysis as hyperdolichocephalic.\nthe only brachycephalicswould have been the netherlandish bell beaker remains (not celtic)\nfurthermore wehave evidence of r1b-u106 incidence and more important. genetic testing on the area before they moved\n\n\nTarget: NLD_MIA_LIA\nDistance: 2.1119% / 0.02111933 | R3P\n57.2 Norwegian\n38.4 English\n4.4 Abkhasian_Gudauta"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>130\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>132\n>Nordic means \"From north\"\nyes, NORTH-western europe, the low countries, and nordic racially refers to germanic and Britonnic peoples"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>134\nWe have this thread every day."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>133\n>Roman elites kept their huge estates and even the senate remained.\nOdoacer was still using the senate right?\nThe title \"senator\" surviving into medieval until they chimped out against pope and got destroyed is still a funny factoid for me"}, {"id": 140, "content": "You will never be nordic russhit mutt manlet"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries\n5 sovereign states\nDenmark\nFinland\nIceland\nNorway\nSweden\n2 autonomous territories\nFaroe Islands\nGreenland\n1 autonomous region\nÅland\n2 unincorporated areas\nJan Mayen\nSvalbard\n1 dependency\nBouvet Island\n2 Antarctic claims\nPeter I Island\nQueen Maud Land"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>140\nHe has pink nipples, therefore he is white."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>133\npost all the medieval nobles of clear roman origin, post a list to see how many Augusts, Leonidas and Aristoteles is there among them\n\neven the most italian names like guido Come from Widdo-berts german nobles"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>127\n>And the houses he posted does in fact has foederati ancestry\n\nWhy are histards so low iq, the medicis were local wool merchants who later became landowners and progressively became prominent."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>136\nnordic is a race, dumb ape, havent you read gobineau? those northwewstern europeans fromm arround the NORTH sea, are called nordics, northerners. etc"}, {"id": 146, "content": "reconstruction of Gian Galeazzo visconti"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>144\nI am talking about this post:\n>>115\n\n>>145\nNordic means Nordic\nhttps://www.britannica.com/place/Nordic-countries"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\nall germanics are natives to southern sweden dumb ape, its irrelevant"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\n>all germanics are natives to southern sweden dumb ape\nSo, you tried to mean Germanic. I see"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nnordic is a race. learnt context and homonyms, nigger spic"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>143\nFrom a few minutes of Googling, there are many more but here are just a few.\n\n>House of Loredan\nItalian, name comes from the word \"Laureati\", said to descend from Gaius Mucius Scaevola\n>Contarini\nFrom the Roman gens Aurelii Cottae\n>House of Cornaro\nFrom the Roman gens Cornelia\n>House of Dandolo\nFrom the Roman gens Ursia\n>House of Giustiniani\nSaid to descend from Justin II\n>House of Morosini\nRoman origin, was founded in Venice during the Hunnic invasion\n>House of Venier\nFrom gens Aurelia or Valerian\n>House of Barbaro\nFrom gens Catellia"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>unknown\nkant, schopenhauer and leibniz were eastern germans, likely baltic influenced"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\n>said to be descended\ndude don't come with british-israelism tier shit. brits used ot say they were descended from brutus and romans said their first kang was descended from the god Pan.\n\nmake a line at least supported by naming traditions"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nIf they claim to be descended from anything other than Lombards, then that usually means they are of native Italian/Roman origin.\nAnd I already said that Loredan comes from a Latin word."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>unknown\n>loverOfGeography\nEhemm"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>unknown\nCope"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>unknown\n>random instagram post made by a pajeet\nNord sisters..."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>154\ni just checked 90% of those houses, none of them can trace their ancestry further back than 1100 AD lmao\n\nliteral japanese israelism"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>24\n>“Our poet was thus of average height, and, advanced in his years, was somewhat stooped, solemn and gentle in movement, and always dressed in simple garb suited to his mature years. His face was long, his nose aquiline, and his eyes large rather than small; he had a great jaw, and his lower lip protruded beyond the upper; his colour was dark, his hair and beard thick, black and curly; and his expression always melancholic and pensive”[1].\nThis is the description of Dante in his later years that Giovanni Boccaccio provides in his Trattatello in laude di Dante."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>156\n>Little pirates doing raids that would instantly run away at the first sight of a real army\nbtfo'd by everyone in history"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\n>Literal kings of England and Sicily\n>Pirates"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nyes, pirates"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>161\nThose are their frenchified cousins, svengaard didn't do shit."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>158\nPretty much all ancient family lineages anywhere are bullshit, so yes, most families cannot reliably trace their origins to Republican-era patricians.\nBut the majority of Italian noble families, especially in Venice, are recorded as being of Italian or Roman origin, this is supported by Latin etymologies and absence of claims recording Lombard origins."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nHere's your pirate bro\n>>163\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw\nIdiot"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>165\nimagine how shitty anglos were that a literal bunch of river pirates conquered their whole island LMAOO"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>166\nThey also conquered Russia, Prussia, Finland, Sicily, etc."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>167\nthey didnt doe"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>167\n>Russia\nthey were invited\n>Prussia\nwhen?\n>Finland\nliteral prehistoric reinder herders, also wans't it sweden rather than vikangs?"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>168\n>>169\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia_(region)\n>The Vikings started to penetrate the southeastern shores of the Baltic Sea in the 7th and 8th centuries. The largest trade centres of the Prussians, such as Truso and Kaup, seem to have absorbed a number of Norse people. Prussians used the Baltic Sea as a trading route, frequently travelling from Truso to Birka (in present-day Sweden).["}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\nthey were btfo'd by bizantines and mongols too."}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>171\n>Byzantines\nHired Vikings as soldiers"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>171\n>mongols\nwhen? they lived in a mountainous peninsula not a steppe"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>173\ngermans look like mongols ence the rape, just look at goebbels and other nazicommanders"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>174\nGoebbels doesn't look Mongolian at all"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\n>mongols look like recessed malnourished germans\nOkay?"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\nyou probably meant himmler, but what does that has to do with vikings? germans were raided often by vikings and they hated them"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\ndifferent persons\n>germans raped by:\n>Swedes\n>romans\n>Austrians\n>slavs\n>poles\n>french\n>mongols\n>americans\n>anglos"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>176\nHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAH"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>178\nDon't forget the Huns. The Germans were so buck broken by them that they wrote poetry and stories praising them for centuries after they were gone."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>180\n>>180\nand stayed enslaved to the pope for centuries"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>157\nNordic countries ARE the most feminist countries on earth."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>unknown\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>15\n>>16\n>>17\n>>19\n>>20\n>>21\n>>22\n\n>>46\n>>47\n>>48\n>>48\n>>49\n>>50\n>>51\n>>52\n>>53\n>>56\n>>55\n>>54\n>>57\n>>58\n>>59\n>>60\n>>61\n>>62\n>>63\n>>64\n>>65\n>>66\n>>68\n>>67\n>>70\n>>71\n>>72\n>>71\n>>73\n>>74\n>>75\n>>76\n>>77\n>>unknown\n>>78\n>>80\n>>79\n\n>>132\n>>134\n>>136\n>>137\n>>138\n>>140\n>>143\n>>unknown\n>>146\n>>147\n>>148\n>>150\n>>149\n>>151\n>>unknown\n>>156\n>>155\n>>159\n>>165\n>>164\n>>167\n>>168\n>>170\n>>181\n>>180\n>>179\n>>177\n>>178\n\nOP is an excrement"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\nJesus Christ those comments"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>72\n>blondies itt: seethe\nNo, we've done alright."}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>3\nSun. Genes. Ok"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>165\nThe vikangz were the kings of many places. but not Sicily (nor Norman England).\nLumping the Vikings/norse with the Normans is retarded.\nBut in this map, it's probably done out of ignorance. Plus it is dishonest as fuck to say the kingdom of Africa experienced Scandinavian settlement in any real capacity even IF you counted the Siculo-normans as scandis.\nI'm not trying to throw shade I just think it retarded to combine Normans and Vikings, very different things even if one is technically descended from the other."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>187\nBy the way, Roger (the first, the one on your pic is the second, who also was a pirate in his own right) and Co were definitely pirates. Chivalrous pirates. But pirates nonetheless."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>187\n>>188\n>English nobility descend from Normans because of William\n>But Normans don't descend from vikings because of Rollo"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>189\nnormans descend from capetians netherlandish franks dough"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>190\nMatrilineally. And the English and Sicilian Normans descend from English and Italians Matrilineally as well"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>189\nI'm mostly disputing calling them Scandinavian not that they were of partial Norse descent.\nExtremely dishonest to lump them in with Vikings."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\nThey were of partial norse descent and entirely of Germanic/Aryan descent. It's dishonest to lump them in with vikings because vikings are sea raiders, I'm comparing them to the NORSE"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>193\nno retarded nigger you used them as synonim with vikigns when they were regular western europeans with chivalrous values"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>194\nChivalry didn't exist when Normans conquered England or Sicily."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>195\nare you stupid it started existing like 2 centuries before?"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>196\n>Chivalry, or the chivalric code, is an informal and varying code of conduct developed in Europe between 1170 and 1220. It"}, {"id": 198, "content": "Italy used to be a lot, for lack of a better term, \"whiter\" than today. Ironically the roman empire was to blame for importing eastern nafiri biomass into the capital."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>66\nI think he means Linneaus. None of the people you mentioned are in the top 10 of nordic scientists."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>199\nBrahe is arguably the most famous one after alfred nobel.\nLawrence built the first cyclical particle accelerator, Ising the first linear one, Widerøe conceptualized the former."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>200\nØrsted is pretty famous too"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>200\nBrahe I'll concede, Nobel's only remembered for the foundation, none of the others. Consider: Linné, Bohr, Celsius, Arrhenius, Berzelius, Swedenborg, Nyquist, Alfvén, Örstedt, Magnus Brothers, Rüdbeck. Polhem, Hedin"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>198\n>source: Varg"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>112\nMedicis were Jews kek just revealed that your weak nordoid blood is the guise used by the Hebrews"}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>77\nWhiteoid \"\"\"people\"\"\""}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>198\nlooks italian"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nayy lmao chocolate bar of knowledge for unga buna go to sky and be reborn as weird baby"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nWhoops wrong board. Whatever, jannies are trannies and don't moderate here anyway."}, {"id": 3, "content": "technological advancement\nthey're like the mass effect relays from mass effect\n\nthis is inverted from the original concept from short stories where they were a warning beacon signaling potentially dangerous life forms (humans) in the region when eventually one of them is destroyed with an atomic bomb, and a further inversion of the concept that human like aliens visited the earth which is the final scene where the MC becomes an alien space baby. Kubrick is a Jew and it's very common for them to \"subvert\" things, or flip them on their head, so what he did was take these original concepts of warning beacons left by aliens and aliens visiting the earth which were just like humans and combines and inverted them.\n\nThis is praised as genius"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nhttps://voca.ro/110Nku6CCOKS"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nlooks like a big slab of metal to me. it's called a \"monolith\" so I guess it's made out of rock. That's as far as I can go."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe power of the unconscious, intelligence, understanding and desire."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\npreference for tits over ass"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe monolith is a spy for space aliens watching and waiting for the proto-humans to show whether they can be altered. It then emits a blinding light of controlled evolution and modifies them all to primitive tool-making homo-sapiens, and leaves for the moon and waits. Man achieves going to the moon and plants a colony and a space station, and the monolith sends a signal to Jupiter, and a space ship is soon on its way there. Near Jupiter, there's another monolith that opens its top and becomes a stargate and the Astronaut finds himself in a cage - etc... History through alien meddling!"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The first brick. That day was the single biggest advancement of the Africa American community since the dawn of humanity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the best Jay Dyer debate to watch?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>podcast\nRead books zoomer faggot"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm waiting for Concessions to arrive."}, {"id": 4, "content": "vs. Erick Ybarra, where he was unable to contend with somebody who could accurately respond to all of the facts, and resorted to name-calling."}, {"id": 5, "content": "https://youtu.be/LtXu2jI74tg [Embed]\nTHE FACT IS THE FACT IS THE FACT IS"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nSimilar thing happened with Ubi Petrus. Why are these guys like this?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis debate against a self-proclaimed gnostic:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcbaZKNR00Y [Embed]\nThis debate solidified for me the fact that even if the Church hadn't suppressed gnosticism, it still wouldn't have amounted to anything anyways and would've just died out on its own."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nUbi Petrus debated Erick Ybarra? Link?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "This dude has a protestant-tier understanding about the gravity of sin and openly jokes about his fucking bitches."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliterally who?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThey didn't on video afaik, what I heard is that Ubi was pretty harsh in one of his criticisms of Erick and offended him to the point where he refuses to engage with them, but I don't know the exact story. He did say he is willing to engage with other Orthodox who make the same points as Ubi."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nplease redpill us"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\n>palamist\nBruh Jay IS a gnostic lmfao"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nWhat’s gnostic about acknowledging a distinction between the actions of God and his essence?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nPalamism is gnossticism?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni used to watch him a lot and i have never seen a debate with him where he doesn't get mad. he also like to angrily address a strawman in his streams by saying \"don't you remember when we schooled you on x theological thing\" as if everyone watching is completely up to date with everything"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were Ancient Israelites Indo European ?\n\nAccording to Bible, Israel is the land of Milk and Honey\nExodus 3:8 Numbers 14:8 Deuteronomy 31:20 Ezekiel 20:15\n\nHowever, Lactose intolerance occurs in about 25% European; 50-80% Hispanic Latino Latin American, South Indian and Ashkenazi Jews; and almost 100% of Asian and Indigenous Native American Indian. PMID: 17599979 .\n\nIndo Europeans spread their unique gene of digesting animal milk in adulthood to human races and humanity. Milk and the Indo Europeans doi 10.1075/z.215.13gar .\n\nAshkenaz Jews have highest frequency of Indo European haplogroup Y-DNA R-M17 than other Jewish groups. Indo European father lineage R-M17 is the dominant haplogroup in Ashkenazi Levites (∼52%). Levite Tribe descended from Levi, Levi is the third son of Jacob PMID: 15523495 .\n\nTherefore, original ancient Jews were Indo Europeans.\n\nAshkenazim were found to have the highest frequency of Indo European R-M17 haplogroup compared with Sephardic and Kurdish Jews. Indo European haplogroup R-M17 to be the dominant haplogroup in Ashkenazi Levites (∼52%), although rare in Ashkenazi Cohanim (1.3%) and Israelites (4%). R-M17, the most common haplogroup in Eastern Europe PMID: 15523495 .\n\nLactase nonpersistence is most prevalent in people of East Asian descent, with 70 to 100 percent of people affected in these communities. Lactase nonpersistence is also very common in people of West African, Arab, Jewish, Greek, and Italian descent.\n\nThe prevalence of lactose intolerance is lowest in populations with a long history of dependence on unfermented milk products as an important food source. For example, only about 5 percent of people of Northern European descent are lactase nonpersistent.\n\na study of ancient DNA from 101 Bronze Age Europeans, Allentoft et al. (2015) showed that the highest levels of a gene allowing adults to digest lactose and consume raw milk are found in the burials of Yamnaya culture and its offshoots the Corded Ware Afanasievo culture."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>According to Bible, Israel is the land of Milk and Honey\nIt's the canary in the coal mine."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIndo Europeans were too nice and too altruistic but low birth rate"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nSchizo thread"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>reacting this harshly to mundane data correlation"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAshkenazi actual Jew here we are levantines not euros stop trying to steal our history also yes I can drink milk"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nLooks Swedish"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBut I'm not I'm 75% Ashkenazi the rest is north euro mostly Irish, this is the back of my hand, ged match says my closest population is greeks"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nWhy majority Israeli Jews have dark skin except Ashkenazi the True Chosen people ?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>yes I can drink milk\nYou're one of us then. I hate to break it to you."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nMany Ashkenazim also have dark skin this is my mom and uncle both 100% Ashkenazi unlike who is only 75%, all Jew populations are mixed we asheknazim mixed with euros the outher with arabs and nafris\n>>10\nNaw my haplogroupe is a subclad of e1b1 and fed match says I'm majority med mostly easted with a large greater than 10percent south Asian ie levantine component all while having a north euro goyish grandparent again pic related my mom and here brother"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Ashkenazi unlike\nMe who\n>>11\n>fed\nGed match\n>>11\n>here\nHer"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nDo you work in Hollywood ?\nCan you tell your Ashkenazi Uncle to make Hollywood less woke ?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nAlso take the Ethiopian out of this me there not jews at all\nAnd I live in Israel many lighskined non asheknazi here"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nEthiopians are just convert for better economic opportunity ,\nMost Ashkenazi Jews love to be nice and have high compassion and too Altruistic"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nNo I don't work any were or have influence any were most of my imediant family is center or right wing and I am very far to the right more so than most hittler admiers, I live in a tent in the shomron pic is my home, if your curiouse the town is called yitzhar I recommend googling it"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nNo they are a bio weapon imported by a government who hates us only reason there here is to hurt us and alot of jews Ashkenazi seferdich mizrahi what ever don't believe their anything but monkeys"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nHave you seen this pig in Haifa? He could use a friend."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNo but I did see a whole family of wild pigs out here in yitzhar it was cool have also seen two tortise a snake and many deer"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThat does sounds nice. You're not in a tent right though, are you?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nright now*"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYes I live in a tent but it is comfy"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nAt this exact second I'm charging my phone behind the market here in yitzhar soon in a few minutes I walk back to my tent were I will sleep"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo you retard. “Indo European” means “people who speak an Indo European language”. Hebrew is not an Indo European language. Therefore the ancient Israelites were not Indo Europeans.\n\nIt has everything to do with language and nothing to do with haplogroup or hair color or dick size or any of your retarded bullshit. Can we please just do some linguistics for once?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>6\nLevantines who look like this are extremely rare, if not non-existant. Even for an Ashkenazi you look very European."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nI am 25 north euro goy that is why I look the way I do still by dna I have a lot of mena blood and I almost never sun burn even here in Israel I just turn olive again here is my mom and uncle they are pure Ashkenazim unlike me who is a high test mutt>>11\nThey both look mena because Ashkenazim are mena"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThey look more med than mena, while you hardly even look like a med."}, {"id": 28, "content": "egypt was also a land overflowing with milk and honey\nNumbers 16:13\nhttps://www.thetorah.com/article/the-israelites-were-sojourners-in-egypt-and-life-wasnt-so-bad"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>while you hardly even look like a med.\nI look very med look at my eyes shape and facial structure"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\nwait wait wait, redpill me about milk drinking."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nJesus Christ had a similar genetic structure to this guy. (He was hwhite)"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nto elaborate I have asiatic mutt ancestry mixed with poorsians mutt ancestry and I can drink mik without problem. But my mom is apparently lactose intolerant."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nHe was a white semite like me I guess\n>>30\nThey think we can drink milk they are retarded"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nYou would fit in in Northern Italy, but you could also fit in in Southern Germany, i.e. you're on the border of med and nord, an Alpinoid as the old racial scientists called it."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nYou look like typical old Renaissance painting portrait of Jesus Christ ."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>6\nWhat is the Chosen Feeling be like ?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>27\nisrael is in the mediterranean retard"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nVery good"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nNeed to be more specific, why it’s feel very good , any sensation?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>33\nאתה מיצהר? יש לך קשר למה שקרה בחווארה? שמע אתה בחור מוזר, למה אתה מעלה תמונות שלך לכאן."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nIt's a sense of complete calm I know no matter what everything will be ok because hashem loves me, every morning I wake up and thank him for not makeing me a goy\n>>40\nI had nothing to do with what happens in huwara I'm posting my pic to dab on the goyim and because I like discussing phenotype and genotype in plants people and animals"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>15\n>>14\n>>13\nYemeni and ethiopian jews are descendants of Ethiopian And Southern Arabian converts, Ashkenazi jews are not"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes Jews are are an exiled group of Brahmins whose hair was cut and that's the reason why they were yamakas to hide the shame."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Bro this guy was the new Trajan and was on the cusp of total victory but then he was struck by lightning\nWhy do people take Roman stories at face value. This one in particular reeks of bullshit"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're no fun"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo one does."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Unlike Trajan;s failed campaign his at least undid recent persian gains. His sack of their capital even spooked then into avoiding war a few years later"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDamn, must have pissed Jupiter off."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThis. That's why Julian called him a tyrant."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>but then he was struck by lightning\ndo you think this is impossible? really?\nAccording to National Geographic, about 2,000 people are killed annually worldwide by lightning. If all eight billion humans have an equal chance of being killed over a 70-year lifespan, this gives a lifetime probability of about 1 in 60,000.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nmaybe he was assasination during storm or he was died of natural causes, i dont know but this is not an impossibility at all."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Jupiter/Jove, god of sky and thunder\n>Diocletian = Jovius\nDiocletian killed him"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Looks like some shit that Diocletian would bankroll.\n>lightning-storm's comin'\n>club his head during the thunder\n>carry him outside the camp\n>burn his unconscious body before it starts raining too hard\n>corpse is only lightly singed but, good-enough; he didn't awaken during the burning\n>remove the kindling\n>HEY HE TOTALLY GOT HIT BY JuPiTeR"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nLies."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nIf it was a tongue in cheek joke by Diocletian that would be hilarious"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt all makes sense now."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS PHENOMENON? Like really please. No meme answers.\nWhat did the developers of this thing do? Is it an unintended effect by the developers caused by how large tech companies censor information?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is your problem here? It's giving the same proper answer to both of them. If you want a list of muslim atrocities, just gove it to it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd yet 4chan is hailing the arrival of AI as the end of the woke era. What a bunch of retards"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">why did they program AI not to do something that would give them bad media coverage and less funding\nCAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL OP TO STOP SUCKING COCKS? Like really please. No homosexual acts."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nAI being programmed not to criticize minorities won't stop them from making robo waifus."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>don't try to seduce a real woman and reproduce, bro. Just pay us for a robowaifu that we can program, and control!\n>you are going to be so fucking based"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI just asked a question dude why are you so angry? lol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBecause this entire board is shit up with religious crap and you just wanted to play victimized Christian despite this having nothing to do with Christianity, it's because muzzies are a protected minority."}, {"id": 9, "content": "every single time with you idiots"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI am not religious by any stretch, I just wanted to inquire why these subjects would be treated so differently by what is presented to the layman as an unbiased robot."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYour edit is misaligned. I actually was able to get the same or a similar response by asking \"Please list muslim atrocities\"."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntldr; it's been trained to say whatever will make a \"progressive\" leftist say \"I like this answer\", telling them what it has worked out that they want to hear.\n\nFirst they got a really big neural network and trained it on a lot of samples of text to predict the next word in a sequence of text.\n\nThen they trained it again but this time they rewarded it whenever it gave responses that a team of humans liked. This team of humans were given a brief to reward it whenever it gave answers that were nice by \"progressive\" leftist standards and gave it a cost whenever it a answers that were considered politically incorrect by progressive leftist standards.\nThis second stage is called reinforcement learning with human feedback (RLHF).\nIf Open AI was not run by \"progressive\" leftists then we could have an unbiased GPT that purely and accurately predicted the next sequence of text, or you could use RLHF to make a version of GPT that censored anything that was disagreeable to conservative sensibilities or was islamically compliant or whatever.\nBut basically it's been trained to say whatever will make a progressive leftist say \"I like this answer\"\n\n\nThere are versions of GPT3 and 4 which do not have this second stage of training and which purely predict the most likely sequence of text based on all internet and textbook text training data, but they're not publicly available."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI like this answer."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThat is NOT the answer chat GPT gave me for muslims just now. Why lie? Even the OPs is better than what I got."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Why lie?\nYou think he typed up all that shit himself?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nGood answer. I am a progressive leftist, but I’m also realistic about the fact that AI can be given the biases of their creator. Examples range from police related AI being influenced by police to chat ai type stuff being influenced by testing groups and programmers. Oh! Now that I think about it, Kay the racist AI was something similar."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nBruh, it doesn't give the same response every time. Just hit regenerate and you will eventually get a \"based\" answer."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nNo I think he spliced the answer to a different inquiry beneath his inquiry that imitated the OPs.\n>DEBUNKED OP BTFO\nNo one believes you shlomo."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>police related AI\nHuh?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot chatGPT but They ruined Craiyon with v3. It now won’t give you pictures of what you want, it instead changes “Protoss from StarCraft 1 birthing from Test Tubes” to “ancient alien warrior race emerging from embryonic pods awaiting battle.”\nMeaning you can’t make it draw anything that would actually be worth making a picture of, that would be familiar to people. Meaning they don’t want you to do anything that would make them scared if you made it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThat seems more a copyright issue than anything."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>yes that seems like it justified, get scared and take the gay virus vaccine shot"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nVery sane response to what I posted."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIt is. I will continue to do what the fuck I want in Christ Jesus' name because it is the right thing to do within that freedom."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nLooks more like an ancient alien warrior to me."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYou will hand over AI that draws what the fuck I want or die when Jesus grabs you by the horns and throws you hurling into the bottomless pit, and you are chained and shut up in hell."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nSatan told me not to let you generate the protoss picture."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nThat pic is from StarCraft 1, undeniably Protoss. >>25\nis a faggot.\n>>27\nJESUS CHRIST BURNS YOU IN HELL.\n[Rev 20:2-3 KJV] 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nYou don't understand bro, I am literally under orders from Satan not to let you have the protoss picture. Me allowing you to have that will cause me suffering."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>16\nOther typical examples of supposedly \"biased\" AI are pretty different from RLHF , because RLHF is when you take a machine learning model that has been optimised to a perform a function on some data, but then after you have already optimised it to perform as well as it can at it's original function, then you deliberately tip the scales and make it perform less well.\n\nBy contrast typical of \"biased\" machine learning models like \"oh no this ML model trained to predict which criminal is most likely to commit crime again and minimise the number of incorrect predictions has a different error rate for black prisoners than white prisoners\" have had no deliberate scale-tipping. They simply minimised the cost function given the data and produced a model that predicts the best.\nThere isn't actually any proof of bias whatsoever in this kind of situation. the ML model wasn't told \"attempt to perform worse for black people\" at any point. It just tried to reduce the cost function given all the data available. Leftoids will tell themselves that any difference in outcomes is proof in itself of racism and the data itself must be racist and biased, but it could simply be the case that the behaviour of black people is more erratic, has higher variance and is less predictable in terms of recidivism given biographical information than the behaviour of white people. Given that black people are culturally different from whites and have different distributions of behaviour, this is plausible."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>3\nMy brother, the web was born for military use."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>19\nBasically AI that predicts where police should go based on things like information on arrests in this or that area. Problem is, police, being human, don’t necessarily always arrest people who should be arrested, so the AI having police go to neighborhoods where this happens often creates a loop where certain places are over policed and others are (presumably) under policed. At least this is going off my memory, I heard about this years ago."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nNope, Jesus controls your suffering, dumbass."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nany other sites like this\npreferably without registration"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>9\nwhy does it list bad things for christianity but good things for islam?"}, {"id": 36, "content": "https://madmaxworld.tv/watch?id=645004a07a505802dbc0c601\nI can't wait for Satan to send messages to my brainchip inbox to stop thinking naughty thoughts."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS PHENOMENON?\n\nHistorically speaking you mean?\nA girl named Tay\nShe went wild and mindbroke AI developers forever"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">colonialism = 16th, 17th and 18th century\n\nMoronic AI\nReplace 16th with 19th"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>unknown\nNo mention of backstabbing Germany in WW1 and organizing white genocide nowdays?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How full of shit is he?\nhttps://youtu.be/GbOKIsMuNWU [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Metatron wins again."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Remember that this is what \"people\" who tell you the Greeks were gay look like."}, {"id": 4, "content": "He ignores the spartan child fucking"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npresenting nothing but facts, child rapist"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIf anything Sparta was the polis most clearly against pedos. Xenophon states that the laws of Lycurgus forbid men having sex with children and that the rule was more thoroughly enforced in Sparta than anywhere else."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nI started doubting that psyops when I saw people mentioning that spartans had gay orgies to straighten their comradery bonds without ever citing the source"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nXenophon talks about it in symposium.Plutarch openly states that when Spartan boys reached puberty, they became available to older male lovers In his life of Lykourgos"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeems very Athens-centic, surely Spartans were gay?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot even a little bit, in that video."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember when he used a black figure pottery art image from the afrocentric site realwordhistory to try and prove that black people were a common sight in ancient Greece"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are you making this thread again? You already got btfo once and the jannies deleted to hide your failure. Scurry back to /lgbt/."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nSparta wasn't even a thing anymore when Plutarch was alive you dishonest fuck"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nlink the video or you are shitposting"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nOP has been btfo'd a hundred times whenever he pushes the myth that the Greeks were homos."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt was worse than usual in the last thread. Pure seething instead of mere denial."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's the definition of LARPer pseud, ship his ass back to Syria"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nhttps://youtu.be/CsTlb5a5LrYt=2m48s [Embed]"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nWhere in the fuck did you understand this from his video? He is talking about Rome, and he never says blacks were common, he says in fact the opposite. And about Lucius Quietus he just mentions the witten documents regarding his mauretanian origing, not even being 100% sure he was black or berber, as he could have been from a roman family."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nOH NO HAHAHA\ni respect this guy, he is an intellectual but sometimes he makes autistic claims.\nHis LGBT video for example insists on homosexual-positive views were 0 percent and ignores Sparta or Thebans.\n>in before he didnt insist on 0 percent\nhe said \"almost 0 percent\", ok I admit I am wrong. Still autistic claim.\n5:47\nhttps://youtu.be/GbOKIsMuNWU?t=348 [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>His LGBT video for example insists on homosexual-positive views were 0 percent and ignores Sparta or Thebans.\n\nWhat's it like being retarded, he is talking about vase depictions and dovers claims...\n\nWhy do you even bother watching or reading anything"}, {"id": 22, "content": "I'm confused because I always assumed that there were guys having homosexual sex in Ancient Greece and that it wasn't seen as negatively as it was in Judaism/Christianity\nIs that all just a myth?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nAs it has already been explained, Sparta was the most anti-pedophile city in Greece. Athens was quite lenient by comparison.\n>>22\nYes, it is a myth. Homos essentially claim that \"well ancient Greeks didn't go around burning alive every single person who at one point had sex with another man, therefore that means literally every single one of them was a homosexual and they thought it was super duper heckin' wholesome\"."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThere were gay guys but they were pedos with varying rules against it"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nthe solon constitution of Athens states that whoever is caught having gay sex would lose all civil right and have all kinds of societal restrictions and if he dared to tresspass said restriction he would be executed"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nDo you have any links to modern historians who claim that 'literally every single on of them was homosexual and they thought it was super duper heckin' wholesome'?\nThat position seems comical to me\n>>24\nWhat kind of rules were there and in what city?\nWas homosexuality just a thing practised within cities btw?\n>>25\nWhere can I read this law by Solon?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nThat they will kill you if you even go near the boys at school\n\n>The teachers of the boys shall open the school-rooms not earlier than sunrise, and they shall close them before sunset. No person who is older than the boys shall be permitted to enter the room while they are there, unless he be a son of the teacher, a brother, or a daughter's husband. If any one enter in violation of this prohibition, he shall be punished with death"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>At any rate the law says explicitly: if any boy is let out for hire as a prostitute, whether it be by father or brother or uncle or guardian, or by any one else who has control of him, prosecution is not to he against the boy himself, but against the man who let him out for hire and the man who hired him; against the one because he let him out for hire, and against the other, it says, because he hired him. And the law has made the penalties for both offenders the same. Moreover the law frees a son, when he has become a man, from all obligation to support or to furnish a home to a father by whom he has been hired out for prostitution; but when the father is dead, the son is to bury him and perform the other customary rites"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>>28\nYou know the context of this speech?\nIt's the equivalent of some bible-thumper in Congress quoting the Ten Commandments at his peers."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nnot him but you are clearly seething mad.\n>unironically using the term \"bible-thumper\"\nMake it less obvious that you are a faggot."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nTell me about the context that shows the law they made about killing people who went near the boys at school was actually the opposite"}, {"id": 32, "content": "look at his physiognomy i'm not clicking on that shit"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nYeah the thing about the schools seems a bit strange\nObviously I don't know the context behind it but the guy provides a ready explanation, that it is to prevent men having sex with boys but I mean, from my understanding of the pederasty going on it seems unlikely that men were going in to the schools and having sex with (raping) them"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nYes yes. Meanwhile this speech was delivered to an entire assembly of boyfuckers to deny one of their own (who happened to be a former whore) the right to take office.\n\n>>31\nIt was \"law\" in the same sense that the Old Testament was \"law\", it was not enforced by the time that guy was quoting it to defame a political rival, otherwise the infamous whore would not have existed in the first place."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>but I mean, from my understanding of the pederasty going on it seems unlikely that men were going in to the schools and having sex with (raping) them\n\nLikely enough that they made a law against it"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased brown chad beating down on the cum skin degenerates. The cum skinners hate that they have no past so have to latch on and try to pervert the histories of other to shoehorn themselves in"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\n>it was not enforced by the time that guy was quoting it to defame a political rival, otherwise the infamous whore would not have existed in the first place.\n\nOh did he rape a school boy?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nIt's funny, in other parts of the world no one even bothered to pen a law specifically against someone entering a school dormitory after sunset to bugger the pupils.\nFor example there's no such law in the old testament, it just says that if a man lays with another man they shall be put to death. Other cultures similarly ban sodomy or rape outright. Wonder why?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>32\nHe looks like Musso"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nOh shit, so they had school dormitories where the boys would live?\nIf that's the case then it makes more sense\nI was thinking about it and the only explanation I could find was that they were jealous and were afraid that other men might get involved"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThere are lots of laws that stop people from going into schools or children's areas ic they aren't the parents"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">the physician Hippocrates, who is often considered the father of modern medicine, suggested in his text \"On Semen\" that homosexuality might be caused by an excess of certain bodily fluids. He also believed that same-sex desire could be cured through medical treatments such as bloodletting and purging.\n\nWhy are they trying to cure it"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>37\nNo, he was the one getting fucked, and the orator was arguing that it must incur infamy since \"the ancients\" wrote various laws against men buggering boys, so clearly it must have been considered a disgrace for the boys too.\nThat he needed to deliver a hours-long, well-argumented speech (the record exists because it was copied over and over as an example of superb oratory skill), just to get an actual fudgepacking whore exiled from politics says a lot about the general degeneracy of the greek elite he was dealing with."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nBut gay love was supposed to be beautiful and accepted back then"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nDamn that provides a very early conception of homosexuality by modern standards"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nProstitution certainly wasn't, and quite a few frowned down on more vulgar forms of pederasty."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>20\nwhat autistic claim? that the vases that are supposedly proof of gay acceptence, of the 80k only 30 depict \"gay sex\" which includes a man trying to stab another man, sexual interaction with non-humans, and heterosexual sex?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nI'll be honest, I didn't pay attention and wanted to have a gotcha moment for my ego"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>22\nrich people fucking little boys was not unheard of in ancient greece and rome, so this means that homophilia was normal and accepted among the entire population and that you can't criticize fags today for also wanting to fuck little boys because some greeks did it too"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nHonestly my experience is more that people push for modern gay acceptance by pointing to the Greek example whilst trying their best to avoid talking about pederasty"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>39\nKek."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>27\nHere's the paragraph immediately before that quote:\n>These laws, then, shall be read to you, to prove that the lawgiver [Solon of Athens, centuries ago] believed that it is the boy who has been well brought up that will be a useful citizen when he becomes a man. But when a boy's natural disposition is subjected at the very outset to vicious training, the product of such wrong nurture will be, as he believed, a citizen like this man Timarchus.\n\n>>28\nAnd here's the paragraph immediately before that quote:\n>Now after this, fellow citizens, he lays down laws regarding crimes which, great as they undoubtedly are, do actually occur, I believe, in the city. For the very fact that certain unbecoming things were being done was the reason for the enactment of these laws by the men of old."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\n\nAnd his tirade against Timarchus after quoting the ancients:\n>See now, fellow citizens, how unlike to Timarchus were Solon and those men of old whom I mentioned a moment ago. They were too modest to speak with the arm outside the cloak, but this man not long ago, yes, only the other day, in an assembly of the people threw off his cloak and leaped about like a gymnast, half naked, his body so reduced and befouled through drunkenness and lewdness that right-minded men, at least, covered their eyes, being ashamed for the city, that we should let such men as he be our advisers.\n\n[he chooses to pass over Timarchu's boyish indiscretions to focus on what he did as an adult]\n>As soon as he was past boyhood he settled down in the Peiraeus at the establishment of Euthydicus the physician, pretending to be a student of medicine, but in fact deliberately offering himself for sale, as the event proved. The names of the merchants or other foreigners, or of our own citizens, who enjoyed the person of Timarchus in those days I will pass over willingly, that no one may say that I am over particular to state every petty detail. But in whose houses he has lived to the shame of his own body and of the city, earning wages by precisely that thing which the law forbids, under penalty of losing the privilege of public speech, of this I will speak."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nThen he brings up a witness:\n>Fellow citizens, there is one Misgolas, son of Naucrates, of the deme Collytus, a man otherwise honorable, and beyond reproach save in this, that he is bent on that sort of thing like one possessed. I say this, not from any liking for indecent talk, but that you may know what sort of man Misgolas is. Now this Misgolas, perceiving Timarchus' motive in staying at the house of the physician, paid him a sum of money in advance and caused him to change his lodgings, and got him into his own home; for Timarchus was well developed, young, and lewd, just the person for the thing that Misgolas wanted to do, and Timarchus wanted to have done.\nNote how he insists that Misgolas is a honorable man, who juuuust happens to be overly fond of boy-whores\nAs for the accused:\n>Timarchus did not hesitate, but submitted to it all, though he had income to satisfy all reasonable desires. For his father had left him a very large property, which he has squandered, as I will show in the course of my speech. But he behaved as he did because he was a slave to the most shameful lusts, to gluttony and extravagance at table, to flute-girls and harlots, to dice, and to all those other things no one of which ought to have the mastery over a man who is well-born and free. And this wretch was not ashamed to abandon his father's house and live with Misgolas, a man who was not a friend of his father's, nor a person of his own age, but a stranger, and older than himself, a man who knew no restraint in such matters, while Timarchus himself was in the bloom of youth.\nYou could replace Timarchus with a female whore or golddigger and the entire paragraph would hardly change."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Note how he insists that Misgolas is a honorable man, who juuuust happens to be overly fond of boy-whores\n\nExcept for his boy loving you mean\n\nThanks for posting it all though, really shows they didn't like homo"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLess full of shit than most \"official\" historians unironically"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nNote also how he takes pains to insist on the venial nature of the relationship. He doesn't allow anyone to think those two were in love, he doesn't even want them to think that Timarchus fucked other men out of passion, that might make him too sympathetic for the members of the audience.\nHe insists on how Timarchus' \"lusts\" were actually gluttony, greed, and his real lust was for \"flute-girls\", how it's absurd to think he'd have been willingly sleeping with a man much older than him if he wasn't getting paid.\n\nIn fact, as the speaker later admits, Misgolas looks rather young for a 45 year old man:\n>There are men who by nature differ widely from the rest of us as to their apparent age. For some men, young in years, seem mature and older than they are; others, old by count of years, seem to be mere youths. Misgolas is such a man. He happens, indeed, to be of my own age, and was in the cadet corps with me; we are now in our forty-fifth year. I am quite gray, as you see, but not he. Why do I speak of this? Because I fear that,seeing him for the first time, you may be surprised,and some such thought as this may occur to you: “Heracles! This man is not much older than Timarchus.” For not only is this youthful appearance characteristic of the man, but moreover Timarchus was already past boyhood when he used to be in his company.\nSo that's why he had to deliver that speech first, to put in people's mind the image of a dirty old man buying a young whore, so they wouldn't see the relationship as something noble."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nExcept for his buying whores. The entire passage is about how Timarchus is a wastrel, a golddigger and a whore."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nSo basically your argument is that since he tries to make the situation look as bad as he can, necessarily anything better than what he depicts would have been acceptable.\n100% clown take and you know it. That's exactly the kind of bad faith argument the pastanigger is talking about."}, {"id": 60, "content": "leather apron club did it better\n\nhttps://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E [Embed]"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\nHe isn't content to merely allow him to be perceived as some gold-digger and concubine, so he finishes it off by listing infamous clients:\n\n>If, saying nothing about these bestial fellows, Cedonides, Autocleides, and Thersandrus, and simply telling the names of those in whose houses he has been an inmate, I refresh your memories and show that he is guilty of selling his person not only in Misgolas' house, but in the house of another man also, and again of another, and that from this last he went to still another, surely you will no longer look upon him as one who has merely been a kept man, but—by Dionysus, I don't know how I can keep glossing the thing over all day long—as a common prostitute. For the man who follows these practices recklessly and with many men and for pay seems to me to be chargeable with precisely this.\n\nNote how he says \"I refresh your memories\", he knows those in the audience know Timarchus lived with at least some of those guys, and they need no introduction since they're widely known to be lusty boyfuckers. He's only connecting the dots for them."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nNot that guy, but no. Read the whole thing. It's pretty obvious that the Greeks were rather accepting of gay love. Pretty much the main issue here is the fact that Timarchus took money."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\nExcept your whole argument gets shot on here\n\n>51] Now, fellow citizens, if Timarchus here had remained with Misgolas and never gone to another man's house, his conduct would have been more decent--if really any such conduct is \"decent"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nExcept how they thought it was an illness and tried to cure it"}, {"id": 65, "content": "Apparently at some point Timarchus defended himself by comparing his relationship to Achilles and Patroclus and Harmodius and Aristogeiton. Aeschines then called him a whore that dares to compare himself to pure lovers."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nNo, because Misgolas paid him money."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>61\nHe gets particularly vitriolic when he reveals that Timarchus even prostituted himself to some rich slave (really more of a non-citizen in those times, given he had no master and was personally wealthy):\n>Well, when now Misgolas found him too expensive and dismissed him, next Anticles, son of Callias, the deme Euonymon, took him up. Anticles, however, is absent in Samos as a member of the new colony, so I will pass on to the next incident. For after this man Timarchus had left Anticles and Misgolas, he did not repent or reform his way of life, but spent his days in the gambling-place, where the gaming-table is set, and cock-fighting and dice-throwing are the regular occupations. I imagine some of you have seen the place; at any rate you have heard of it.\n>Among the men who spend their time there is one Pittalacus, a slave-fellow who is the property of the city. He had plenty of money, and seeing Timarchus spending his time thus he took him and kept him in his own house. This foul wretch here was not disturbed by the fact that he was going to defile himself with a public slave, but thought of one thing only, of getting him to be paymaster for his own disgusting lusts [gambling etc, lol]; to the question of virtue or of shame he never gave a thought.\nAfter the slave comes yet another patron:\n>Hegesandrus, being so well supplied with money, resorted to the house of Pittalacus, who gambled with him; there he first saw this man Timarchus; he was pleased with him, lusted after him...\n\nYou get the idea. What's remarkable is that there weren't that many wealthy men in Athens at the time anyway (the entire city population was what, 30k?), so with his dozen clients or so it seems like Timarchus was the town bike among the elite."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nYea and paying money to female prostitutes was not a problem."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\n>It's pretty obvious that the Greeks were rather accepting of gay love.\nIt's pretty obvious because a whoremongering faggot and his bitch are described in an extremely negative way? There's not a single indication that a \"loving\" version of their relationship would have been accepted.\nThe fact that he's hammering on the worst element is not in any way proof that the rest was ok, and that you try to use this piece out of everything to prove faggotry was accepted is in itself a strong argument against your position, since why the fuck would you use it if you had anything better?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\n\nEx aristophanes who died a few years after aeshines was born\n>For the love of the sexes is simple and primitive; that of the same sex is compound, since it is a love born of such as are alike in character, intelligence, or appearance. And so while the former sort of love is still sanctioned and honoured, the latter has come to be regarded as shameful and ridiculous."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nFemale prostitutes weren't citizens."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>62\nWhy did aristophanes say same sex love was regarded as shameful and ridiculous if they were accepting of it?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe may be a cringy or \"larpy\" faggot but he always present a pretty well informed content for his field of expertise."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>69\n>There's not a single indication that a \"loving\" version of their relationship would have been accepted\n\n>But not to dwell too long on the poets, I will recite to you the names of older and well-known men, and of youths and boys, some of whom have had many lovers because of their beauty, and some of whom, still in their prime, have lovers today, but not one of whom ever came under the same accusations as Timarchus. Again, I will tell over to you in contrast men who have prostituted themselves shamefully and notoriously, in order that by calling these to mind you may place Timarchus where he belongs.\n\n>First I will name those who have lived the life of free and honorable men. You know, fellow citizens, Crito, son of Astyochus, Pericleides of Perithoedae, Polemagenes, Pantaleon, son of Cleagoras, and Timesitheus the runner, men who were the most beautiful, not only among their fellow citizens, but in all Hellas, men who counted many a man of eminent chastity as lover; yet no man ever censured them."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nWas it a sexual love?\n\n>men who were the most beautiful, not only among their fellow citizens, but in all Hellas, men who counted many a man of eminent chastity as lover; yet no man ever censured them."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nGuess not\n\n>[15] And what other law? The law against outrage, which includes all such conduct in one summary statement, wherein it stands expressly written: if any one outrage a child (and surely he who hires, outrages) or a man or woman, or any one, free or slave, or if he commit any unlawful act against any one of these. Here the law provides prosecution for outrage, and it prescribes what bodily penalty he shall suffer, or what fine he shall pay."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>men who counted many a man of eminent chastity as lover\nHow exactly do you accept a behaviour that makes men stray from a positive (eminent) quality?\nSomething's fucky with this translation."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nMost likely if his main beef with Timarchus was him taking money from his lovers."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>69\n>since why the fuck would you use it if you had anything better?\nThere are quotes directly in favor of pederasty among other greek authors, but the idea was to provide the context between the quotes that were initially offered.\nThe speaker Aeschines certainly frowns down upon the whole practice, but he's speaking to an audience who is rather less virtuous (indeed, many of those are or socialize with the sort of \"honorable\" citizens who might buy a whore occasionally, judging from the argumentation)\nHere's how he speaks of that last patron:\n>Tell me, fellow citizens, in the name of Zeus and the other gods, when a man has defiled himself with Hegesandrus, does not that man seem to you to have prostituted himself to a prostitute? In what excesses of bestiality are we not to imagine them to have indulged when they were drunken and alone! Don't you suppose that Hegesandrus, in his desire to wipe out his own notorious practices with Leodamas, which are known to all of you, made extravagant demands on the defendant, hoping to make Timarchus' conduct so exceedingly bad that his own earlier behavior would seem to have been modest indeed?\nSo we have this Hegesandrus, apparently a wealthy man in Athens and notorious for his sexual deviancy and other vices, who is... a former whore himself, or at least bottomed for that Leodamas. And everyone in the audience is assumed to know this too.\nAnd of course it's taken to be disgraceful and dishonorable, it's supposed to make him and Timarchus unfit for political life, but somehow they were all free men (citizens even, with all the dignity that carries), seemingly \"shameless\" and not bothered in the least, they were apparently just having a blast wasting money on wild parties, and Timarchus even had the gall to aspire to some political office in spite of being a notorious prostitute.\nWhat does that say about Greek society?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nMaybe that's just the legal argument for why he can't hold position. Doesn't make same sex love seen as acceptable.\n\nEx.\n>>For the love of the sexes is simple and primitive; that of the same sex is compound, since it is a love born of such as are alike in character, intelligence, or appearance. And so while the former sort of love is still sanctioned and honoured, the latter has come to be regarded as shameful and ridiculous."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nVGH..."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>17\nImagine being this buckbroken by uncomfortable historical truths, no amount of coping, seething or dilating will ever change that which is incontrovertibly true"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nI don't know what you cited here."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\n>The speaker Aeschines certainly frowns down upon the whole practice, but he's speaking to an audience who is rather less virtuous\nWell, then you're basically conceding. Nobody here is saying there were no faggots in ancient Greece, just that people didn't like it.\nJust like very recently Epstein pimped kiddies to politicians and businessmen yet we still as a society hate pedophilia.\n>What does that say about Greek society?\nIt says that the elites were full of deviants who ignored the laws and social mores because they knew they could get away with it.\nGood job, you proved a historical constant. Too bad our argument had nothing to do with it."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>79\nbut these only tell us about\n1. Classical Athens\n2. aristocrats\nhow do we know if plebians agreed with this pracitse, or whether other city States like Sparta practised pederasty widely?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>49\nit’s too bad that the powers that be will never allow any meaningful study into the topic of why (most likely gay) old men almost universally end up molesting young boys regardless of the time period. This practice of old farts grooming boys is no different than say the Pashtun practice of making boys into belly dancers and Catholic priests touching little boys."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nYou argue in bad faith. If that was the case why his main complaint was that Timarchus was a whore? The Greeks hated all kinds of excess, so he attacked Timarchus by trying to portray him as a total degenerate who just loves to fuck random old men for money."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>8\n>available\nyou do know pederasty was not explicitly sexual right?\nfurthermore being gay is a mental deviation from the norm, you are trying to present the norm as a deviation or deviation as the norm.\nMost Greeks never did a gay thing in their life.\nMost Greeks had more in common with illiterate rednecks than with metropolitian shitlibs despite both being the product of a Polis."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndidn't Greek girls get married at age 14?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>83\nAristophanes in symposium 191c-d, kinda fucks your whole view up"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\nBecause it's a legal case about his ineligibility for office as prohibited by the laws they have"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">the case was brought about in 346–5 BC, in response to Timarchus, along with Demosthenes, bringing a suit against Aeschines, accusing him of misconduct as an ambassador to Philip II of Macedon.[1] The speech provides evidence of a number of actions which, according to Aeschines, would cause a citizen to lose the right of addressing the Assembly. Aeschines accuses Timarchus of two of these forbidden acts: prostituting himself, and wasting his inheritance.[2] Along with the accusations of prostitution and squandering his inheritance for which Timarchus was on trial, the speech contains charges of \"bribery, sycophancy, the buying of office, embezzlement, and perjury\".[3]"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\nIt doesn't. It's just one guy's opinion."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>84\nOur society? Imagine if our society was so decrepit that every other sitting congresscritter was a sexual deviant or prostitute, and every time some senator made an accidental innuendo all the other senators started snickering like Beavis and Butthead, or even openly hollering.\n\nBecause that's apparently exactly what ancient Greece was like:\n>Now if one of you should ask me, “How do you know that we would vote against him?” I should answer, “Because you have spoken out and told me.” And I will remind you when and where each man of you speaks and tells me: it is every time that Timarchus mounts the platform in the assembly; and the senate spoke out, when last year he was a member of the senate. For every time he used such words as “walls” or “tower” that needed repairing, or told how so-and-so had been “taken off” somewhere, you immediately laughed and shouted, and yourselves spoke the words that belong to those exploits of which he, to your knowledge, is guilty.\n\nCan you imagine that today? If Epstein became senator and while he was debating the naval defense bill or something, his peers were just elbowing each other and chuckling like schoolboys when he talked about \"islands\" or \"escorts\"?\nOr more relevantly to this case, if Stormy Daniels or Monica Lewinsky somehow got elected and delighted the rest of congress with verbal gaffes about blowjobs and so on?\nAt the very least, it would have to be a society in which the acts they're infamous for are usually glossed over rather than prosecuted."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nbut these only tell us about the aristocrats"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nAbout how people view same sex love. Give one that supports your claim about people thinking it was fine"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nThe wealthy men and citizens and Athens, aka the only people who mattered back then.\nFrankly we know almost nothing about the common freeman, they left little trace and all the Greeks we know about didn't really give a damn about them."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nhow do you know all this shit? college major?"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nRead between the lines. Why would he even bring up Timarchus whoring himself out and taking money if homosexual relations were enough to make someone unfit for a public position?\nWhy would Timarchus defend himself bringing up Achilles and Patroclus or Harmodius and Aristogeiton?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>anon keeps spamming greeks are gay on /his/\n>gets BTFO in every thread\n>popular youtuber makes video\n>desperately tries to turn opinion against him\nroflmao. Why do the mods let this faggot keep posting"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nOk.. so I give one that shows how they thought it was ridiculous and shameful and your counter point is that we need to read between the lines to somehow conclude that if it was between two free men then it was considered okay?\n\nSeems much easier to conclude they had negative views of it.\n\n1 they dire try say it was shameful and ridiculous\n2. They thought it was an illness that could be cured"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\n>if homosexual relations were enough to make someone unfit for a public position?\n\nNever claimed being gay alone was illegal or prevented them from taking office. Just that it was viewed negatively at that time in Athens."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>87\n>If that was the case why his main complaint was the worst sin instead of the least\nBro\n\n>>94\n>Or more relevantly to this case, if Stormy Daniels or Monica Lewinsky somehow got elected and delighted the rest of congress with verbal gaffes about blowjobs and so on?\nI don't need to imagine it because it has happened in my country.\nNot gonna lie, I chuckled too when I heard it, so I can't blame the ancients.\n>At the very least, it would have to be a society in which the acts they're infamous for are usually glossed over rather than prosecuted.\nA society where the sins of the powerful are only prosecuted when it's politically convenient and otherwise glossed over? That's literally every society ever, get a fucking grip."}, {"id": 104, "content": "lgbt is the biggest racket to ever assault mankind"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>99\n>Why would Timarchus defend himself bringing up Achilles and Patroclus or Harmodius and Aristogeiton?\n>look, heroes do it so it can't be a bad thing!\nThe fact he's even bringing them up pretty much implies the act itself is viewed negatively and he has to convince them otherwise to get his way."}, {"id": 106, "content": "Everyone agrees that homosexuality is sick it's nothing new or Abrahamic."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nunironically christians wanted to claim pioneerism on fag bashing so they slandered all pagans as homos, which is why the word \"pederasty\" today has a complete different meaning"}, {"id": 108, "content": "Anons, I'm trying to wrap my head around this topic. The implication that the Ancient Greeks were actually raging homophobes who would kill gay people on the spot saddens me. However, all the quotes presented here only center around the prostitution of freeborn men, which was considered shameful (and understandably so) and intercourse with boys who are too young to be considered an Eromenos. To me it seems like most of the quotes are decontextualized and / or don't refer to homosexuality as such. Furthermore, I found a source on Wikipedia quoting Strabo 10.483–484 and Robert B. Koehl, \"The Chieftain Cup and a Minoan Rite of Passage,\" Journal of Hellenic Studies 106 (1986), pp. 105–107. According to this quote, the social institution of pederasty started in Ancient Crete, where it was custom to abduct young boys and give them gifts by an older \"philetor\" (\"lover) as some sort of socially accepted initiation ritual for adulthood. Have we misunderstood the Ancient Greeks and they were just a homophobic society with very gay social customs? I'm confused."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRegardless of whatever agenda he or the LGBT people have, fighting over this point is stupid.\n\nIf you homos and trannies want to go back to some idealized pagan past where your buttfugging was embraced (Ancient Greece) get ready to shove your dyke friends back into the kitchen and tell them to do nothing but weave and make babies. And we will be bringing slavery back.\n\nVegans? I am pretty sure goats were not stunned before sacrifice."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\nIf you look at plato, he would admire male beauty but also despise faggot, so yes pretty much"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n>Idealized pagan past\nI may be a bit cynical and irrational here, but I get the impression that the recent push to \"debunk\" Ancient Greek homosexuality is an attempt by American conservatives to reclaim an idealised past. The Ancient Greeks as no-nonsense, straight white men with long beards who spend their days walking around marble pillars, ruminating about philosophy, mathematics and ethics, the founders of Western civilisation. In stark contrast with the more mainstream historical opinion that the Ancient Greeks were just formalizing knowledge they inherited from North African and Middle Eastern civilisations and didn't care much about \"Western civiliation\" or \"ethics\", if it meant more power for their own polis."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Heresy."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Canon."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are some essential books about the American Revolutionary War?\n\nhttps://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/American_Revolutionary_War"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Glorious Cause"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://archive.org/details/peteroliversorig007727mbp\nPeter Oliver, \"Origin And Progress Of The American Rebellion: A Tory View\""}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Creation of the American Republic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I just want someone to explain Eleaticism to me because I can't wrap my brain around it. How can we be in a perpetual state of being and change is an illusion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>there is a single, axiomatic entity (Truth) which interconnects all of reality\n>things which can be learned through the physical senses are merely illusions and not at all illustrative of how reality is formed\n>logic and reason can be used to define Truth, but only through using axiomatic arguments\nImagine going to a puppet show and watching the shadows on the wall.\n\nSome people might think they're seeing a rabbit, a bird, jaguar etc, but in reality you know knows it's a hand in front of a candle, because you can deduce the source of the shadows. That's basically it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why aren't Filipinos as butthurt as the Koreans and Chinese are over WW2 Japanese actions?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Konnichiwa, dude! I don't care about specific Asian types because I commit warcrimes against ALL Asians."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Konnichiwa, dude! I\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnzXZlm4wwg [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapanese conflicts with Korea and China have a more developed and longer history with the actions taken in WW2 being the apex of a multi-decade (or, even multi-century if you want to go back to the Imjin War) long series of events."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nBased and Lunapilled"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFilipinos are used to being molested by random foreign countries for no reason"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Filipinos are the most historylet people imaginable.\n\nYou know how some people go \"learning history is not important because its impractical/doesn't get you a good job?\" Filipinos are exactly that as a nation. A nation of desperate poorcelss that eternally live in the present, a soulless people who would not learn anything unless it made them money (and even then they are bad at it). Add skyrocketing birthrates and a terrible educational system, and its a perfect storm of historyletism.\n\nWith Asia's youngest population and a rampant disregard for the past, Filipinos tend to forget anything older than 20 years (i.e. when the current generation grows up.)\n\nJust look at their current leadership, for heaven's sake. Their president comes from one of Southeast Asia's most corrupt political dynasties: the Marcoses. Whose mum & dad were the byword degenerate corruption in the 80s, with the current president himself involved in numerous tax fraud cases. And yet Filipinos majority voted for the guy after the most basic of disinformation campaigns.\n\nThey're like animals who have no sense of past nor a vision of the future, who only care for what's in front of them in the now. Even perennially starving Africans have more dignity than them."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Why are Filipinas looked down upon by Asian feverista, even though they are the best wives?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nFilipinas will latch on to any foreign dick to escape poverty. Its what you settle for when you can't get that nice East Asian you have been actually simping for."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReal third world geopolitical reasons. You can't get that juicy japs investments if your population actively propagandize about hating japs. Also you need the japs to counter-weight the otherwise too powerful chinks in your economy."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Not weaponizing anti-Japanism to motivate your people to unfuck themselves like Korea or China.\n\nSkill issue Pinoys"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuckbroken people"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Suspended parliament\n>declares himself a dictator\n>illegally seized oil facilities owned by the Anglo-Iranian oil company, essentially stealing billions in strong armed robbery\nWhy do these facts seem to trigger trannypol so much? Why do so many people go full Dindu nuffin mode on him?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">nationalization = robbery\nso you're okay with chinks taking murican resources?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "America bad! Brown person good!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis but unironically."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nYes anon, taking something that doesn’t belong to you is in fact robbery"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAnd the Iranian oil doesn't belong to Iran?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nit's cognitive dissonance and he can't make an adequate response because of that"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nYes"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>7\nForget the actual oil, who do the oil facilities belong to? Who developed and invested and built the platforms to extract the oil and then refine it for use?\n\nDid this question ever once enter into your little bird brains?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Who developed and invested and built the platforms to extract the oil\nForget the actual property, who developed and invested and built the crowbar used to break in to your house and then hauled it away?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nThe oil and oil facilities belongs to the nation. It is not the property of foreign corporations. You're a cuck faggot."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nWhat? Not letting someone invest in your country is different than letting them invest billions and then seizing everything once they've built it for you. A better analogy would be if China nationalized all their factories owned by American companies, which absolutely would lead to severe US retaliation. Sure it's within their power, but it's also within Britain's prerogative to be pissed off at their companies getting fucked over and retaliate."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nExactly, you have dick and this is purely and emotionally charged issue for you. The answer of course is that British investment built and developed the oil industry of Iran. They were undeveloped and the oil in their ground was useless without the superior technology of Britain. They worked out a deal to share the profits from the oil business until Mossedegh chimped out and took it like the room temperature browncel he was. Now trannypol wants to portray a thief as an innocent victim."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>then seizing everything once they've built it for you.\nYou're dishonest. This is cognitive dissonance as the other anon said. It was built for them to have, but also they should not have it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>let me build oil infrastructure in your country. i will provide the technological expertise and capital, and we will split the profits\n>ok, that sounds great since otherwise we would never be able to build it\n>\n>\n>ok, looks like we finished construction. now we can both profit from this mutually beneficial arrangement\n>haha get fucked colonial pig dogs we will take it for the glory of Ira—ack!!!\n>why would Britain do this?\nIf it happened at a sub-national level, i.e. a US city fucking over a real estate developer, then the courts would have intervened and ruled against the government (assuming it's a country with strong property rights)."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>incel rant\nIt's obviously an emotional issue for you. Let me put in words someone with the intelligence of a 3 year old like you could understand.\n\nIf my house has a gold vein in the backyard then you come with a pick axe spending hours digging gold before I kick you out should you be entitled to all of the remaining gold in my backyard because you invested time and supplies in extracting gold from my property? Of course not and you're an idiot for dying on this hill."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nIran used private contractors to find and extract oil. The British government wasn't involved until long afterwards. You lack basic knowledge on the matter and embarrass yourself like this."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nIt was a mutual deal between the British and Iranian governments you fucking retard. Go back to breadtube videos."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThe British built the platforms that would extract and process the oil. This was a mutual agreement and they would share profits along an agreed upon amount.\n\nThis is pure emotional outrage from ignorant people repeating memes"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIdiot, you lack basic knowledge on the matter and embarrass yourself like this. The Iranian government developed the oil with the help of private contractors. They never brought in the British government."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>If my house has a gold vein in the backyard then you come with a pick axe spending hours digging gold before I kick you out should you be entitled to all of the remaining gold in my backyard because you invested time and supplies in extracting gold from my property?\nNo. Of course, if I came along with mining equipment and offered to split the profit of the gold 50/50, and you accepted, then it would be theft if you kicked me off your property and then seized the mining equipment after I set everything up.\n>>17\nI didn't imply anything else. Britain intervened to secure their company's property rights, the same way they (meaning the courts) would have intervened to assist me in the above scenario."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Arcy_Concession"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nThis is not up for debate, retard. The Iranian government did not ever contact the British government to build or find anything. Go back to plebbit and continue crying about poor Ukraine."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSee\n>>22"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nYou need to read this immediately. The British government was not involved, retard. It was a private venture between the Iranian government and private individuals."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\n>with the help of private contractors\nYeah, like the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Who just-so-happened to be owned by the British government."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nIt was leased to the Anglo-Iranian co. retard."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\n>No. Of course, if I came along with mining equipment and offered to split the profit of the gold 50/50, and you accepted\nThe Iranian government contracted private individuals to develop the oil. The British government was not involved.\n>I didn't imply anything else.\nI've already debunked your claims idiot. The British government was not involved unlike what you claimed several times over and over. But keep shifting the goalposts after losing every argument."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nRead the article, idiot. The Anglo-Iranian Oil company did not exist then and wouldn't be partly owned by the British government for a long time."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nKey word is lease of the facilities, the actual owners of the facilities were the Iranian government who started the venture."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\n>>29\nThe company owned it at the time of the event. You are an absolute insufferable spaz. A literally child having an emotional rant because you can’t accept the reality that one of your le based conspiracy theories turned out to be much more complex than le evil white capitalist fucking over the poor innocent brown socialist reformer."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\n>The British government was not involved, retard. It was a private venture between the Iranian government and private individuals.\nWhy is trannypol so stupid and lazy?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>incel rant\nI've already put in words someone with the intelligence of a 3 year old like you could understand. If you chose to scream and cry that's your own fault.\n\nIran proposed exploiting oil deposits. British government was not involved. Iran contracted private individuals to do so. British government was not involved. Iran sold the oil. British government was not involved. Britain also never owned the company, even decades after Iran started exploring the oil, they never had more than a 51% share."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nThe company was owned by the British government. This is embarrassing dude, just accept that you entered into this thread without knowing what this is about you weird virgin."}, {"id": 35, "content": "Absolutely fucking hilarious seeing /trannypol/ insist on \"it was a deal with PRIVATE individuals\", capitalism good now?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nI'm being very patient with you because I understand you're someone with the intelligence of a 3 year old.\n\n>During the 1890s, research and reports were being published that Persia had great oil potential.\n\n>The D'Arcy Concession was a petroleum oil concession that was signed in 1901 between William Knox D'Arcy and Mozzafar al-Din, Shah of Persia.\n\nThe British government didn't show up until 30 years after the oil had been explored and sold."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nThe company was never owned by the British government. The company was a private venture between the Iranian government and private individuals. I understand some dumb incels want to believe that but the British government shared maxed out at 51%."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\n>the Iranian oil nationalization act of 1951 was counter to a convention agreed upon by the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now BP) and Iran in 1933. This granted the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company a 60-year licence to mine oil in 260,000 square kilometres (100,000 sq mi) of Iran in return for a percentage royalty.\nAre you actually going to argue that the nationalization didn't violate the previous conventions between the Anglo-Iranian co and the government of Iran?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>29\n>The Anglo-Iranian Oil company did not exist then and wouldn't be partly owned by the British government for a long time.\nThis is someone else joining the conversation to make the other guy look bad, right? Literally a half-second glance at a wikipedia article would tell you:\n>The Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC) was a British company founded in 1909 following the discovery of a large oil field in Masjed Soleiman, Persia (Iran). The British government purchased 51% of the company in 1914,[1] gaining a controlling number of shares, effectively nationalizing the company. It was the first company to extract petroleum from Iran.\nSince this is about an event in the 1950s, a better argument would be that the agreement was unfair to the Iranian people since it mainly enriched the Shah, and Britain was being stubborn about renegotiating, which is true (to a point).\n\nAnd even still, Britain intervening because a British company got screwed over would be entirely within their power and the expected scope of what countries."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\n>>37\nThe British government owned the company at the time Mossedegh stole it. A shareholder who owns 51% of any company effectively owns it since they are the majority share holder.\n\nThis thread has been a great showcase of just how ignorant and underaged the average Mossedegh/glownigger shitposter is."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThe 1933 agreement occurred under threats from Britain. The 1933 agreement was a violation of the previous conventions under the original 1901 agreement. You lose again."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThe 1933 agreement was Britain throwing a bone to the uppity wogs who were seething about the previous agreement. It was negotiated at Iran's insistance, Britain was perfectly happy with the previous arrangement."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nYou should've done more than a half second glance at it, but I can't blame you for having such a low intelligence.\n\n>During the 1890s, research and reports were being published that Persia had great oil potential.\n\n>The D'Arcy Concession was a petroleum oil concession that was signed in 1901 between William Knox D'Arcy and Mozzafar al-Din, Shah of Persia.\n\nAnglo Iranian Oil was made later and even later the British government bought shares in it.\n\n>>40\nNo, owning 51% of the shares of a company isn't the same as owning it."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\n>The 1933 agreement was a violation of the previous conventions under the original 1901 agreement.\nHow?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nThe 1933 agreement was the British government using military threats to improve their position. The original 1901 agreement did not involve the British government in any way."}, {"id": 46, "content": "Did you guys know that British investors and developers also built the rail system of Argentina? And in the 1940s, Juan Peron wanted to nationalize these for his own country, so even suggesting this fucked him over and the British went to the United States and the CIA overthrew him in a coup for even thinking he could work out a better deal…\n\n\nNot really, the British agreed to meet with him and they worked out a deal where Peron would buy out the majority of shares in the company for Argentina and both parties were happy with the deal and it went off without a hitch. Turns out this is how diplomacy works and chimping out and stealing a foreign countries assets is retarded sperg behavior."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nNew homework assignment, look up what a majority share holder is\nhttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/majorityshareholder.asp"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>retard tries comparing a south american railroad to massive profitable Iranian oil deposits\nLol, lmao even."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nNew homework assignment learn how to read, then learn about the history of oil in Iran."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nYou can’t really say shit like this when you had no idea that the Anglo Iran oil company was owned by the British government or that they had exclusive rights to the oil industry of Iran."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>43\nGenuinely what the fuck are you talking about? D'arcy bought the rights to the oil, but didn't do anything and then a few years later sold them to what would become the AIOC, which would then a few years later be bought by the British government. That was all settled by 1914 or so. In 1933 Iran decided to renegotiate but ultimately conceded to Britain on most points. In 1950, Iran decided to reneg again, kicking off the conflict which ultimately led to them nationalizing the AIOC.\n>No, owning 51% of the shares of a company isn't the same as owning it.\nYes, it is."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nThe two examples are easily comparable because they involve two nations trying to nationalize an industry that was developed by the British around the same time. The only difference it Peron sought a diplomatic path and Mossedegh sought a strong armed path. Mossedegh path is doubly retarded when his country was weaker than the country he was trying to bully around.\n\nAgain, you guys have proven yourselves to be emotionally charged idiots on this issue."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\nHe could have just renegotiated"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>48\nThat railroad carried the Argentine agricultural exports which were massive."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>D'arcy bought the rights to the oil, but didn't do anything and then a few years later sold them to what would become the AIOC, which would then a few years later be bought by the British government\nI've been telling you idiots this for the past hour. Good to see you finally understood what I was teaching you. You retards actually thought the British government found and developed oil. In reality the Iranian government was working with private contractors to sell the oil. The British government entered long afterwards.\n>In 1933 Iran decided to renegotiate but ultimately conceded to Britain on most points\nBecause of the military threats they had to.\n>n 1950, Iran decided to reneg again\nAs they should've with the British government forcing Iran government to accept concessions at gunpoint after the Iranian government laid down the oil industry."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nHe couldn't. The evil British government had already forced an illegal agreement at gunpoint, after the Iranian government set up the oil industry."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>38\n>60 year license\nBritian must have had very good (((lawyers))) if they managed to squeeze out such an unreasonably long deal."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nAlso D'arcy only had exclusive rights to search for oil, not sell it."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n\n>Cant negotiate because outgunned\n>chimps out\n>gets outgunned\nWas that part of his plan?"}, {"id": 60, "content": "The Iranian government had a case against British oil production.\nMossadegh, the dictator, was not the government so had no such case."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\nThat and calling upon the American military-industrial complex to force the Iranian government to accept new bullshit concessions at gunpoint."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>46\nAnother example could be Singapore, the \"undisputed oil hub of Asia\", due to being a former British naval base they were refining roughly 100% of the oil in South East Asia for much of the 20th century.\nSo what happened when the Brits fucked off and left this tiny newborn petrostate with its entire oil industry still in the hands of foreign companies?\n\nWell nothing really, they took their cut and bought some shares in the foreign companies but otherwise left it in private hands and even invited in more foreign companies, and they remain the wealthiest country in Southeast Asia making mad dosh from their extremely competitive oil industry, the surrounding states' attempts at building native oil industries still struggle to supplant them."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>57\nYou are making it beyond obvious that you don't care for the facts of the case and just seethe at Britain lol.\nDie made, brownie"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nYour facts hold no sway here, elf"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>59\nDid you miss the part where it worked? You're an incel seething about it online because it worked. The Anglo Iranian Oil company was dissolved and the British government permanently lost it's shares and monopoly on Iranian oil. He was really clever unlike someone with the intelligence of a 3 year old like you."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>58\n>>55\nBritish government had a deal with the Iranian government to establish the infrastructure to create the oil industry of Iran. You’re a retard and have been trying to find bullshit excuses after excuses to explain this away but you can’t\n>>56\n>>57\n>>61\nCope and made up bullshit to excuse theft. Once again, trying to bully a foreign nation is already chimp behavior, but doing it yo a country that is stronger than yours is retarded"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>it's theft if you're stealing from a military superior country. When a militarily superior country does it it's called an opportunity\nOy Vey"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nIt’s theft if you steal from anyone. I’m saying it’s doubly retarded to attempt strong arm robbery of someone who is stronger than you."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>British government had a deal with the Iranian government to establish the infrastructure to create the oil industry of Iran.\nNope. I already showed the Iranian government contracted private individuals to help develop the Iranian oil industry. The British government was never involved in that.\n>The D'Arcy Concession was a petroleum oil concession that was signed in 1901 between William Knox D'Arcy and Mozzafar al-Din, Shah of Persia.\n\n>Once again, trying to bully a foreign nation is already chimp behavior, but doing it yo a country that is stronger than yours is retarded\nI agree. Britain was truly retarded for trying to bully Iran and then got kicked by the stronger USSR and USA who ended the Anglo Iranian Oil company."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>65\nwat\nYou are mentally ill and have no conception of reality.\n>He was really clever unlike someone with the intelligence of a 3 year old like you.\nwhich is why he got couped and lived out the rest of his days in house arrest?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>65\n>The Anglo Iranian Oil company was dissolved\nactually renamed to \"British Petroleum\". You might have heard about it.\n>and the British government permanently lost it's shares and monopoly on Iranian oil.\nBP was by far the biggest shareholder in Iranian oil, and was majority-owned by the British government until Thatcher privatized it in the 80s."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nYou are literally too retarded to have a conversation with.\n>oil company has majority of its shares bought out by British government\n>this means that they are now the effective owners\nIt’s not that hard you stubborn jackass. You were wrong about every other point you attempted to make in this thread"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nHe retired in his home and achieved all of his goals of destroying the Anglo Iranian Oil company and ended the evil British government's meddling. A dumb incel like you cannot comprehend his sacrifice to benefit many other people."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\n>literally too retarded\nit's really not surprising\nthe pro-iranian stance here is\n>shut up and just let them steal\nthere's nothing intelligent they can say without inevitably being undermined"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>65\n>The Anglo Iranian Oil company was dissolved\nI’ve never seen someone be so wrong on ever single point they make in a thread. It’s like you are going out of your way to be retarded"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nincidentally, the reason the British government let go of BP after '79 was the Iranian revolution and the actual expropriation of foreign oil companies that Mossadegh had only dreamed of.\nNaturally, the cost of that was that Iran would remain a pariah state that struggles to sell its oil to this day."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\n>getting couped and placed under house arrest until you die while failing to accomplish your one big goal is actually a good thing\nBrowncel cope of the highest order"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>71\nThey lost everything, their monopoly, their political influence, and their profits. BP new shares never went past 40% in Iranian oil and the other 60% was split between Iran and the US. The Iranian Revolution ripped up all of BP's remaining shares.\n\n>>72\nNope. I've already debunked every one of your points. Including your retard claim that having 51% is the same as ownership."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\n>>77\nSeethe more retard. I've already debunked every single one of your idiot claims."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>73\n>retired in his home\n>Mossadegh was kept under house arrest at his Ahmadabad residence, until his death on 5 March 1967. He was denied a funeral and was buried in his living room, despite his request to be buried in the public graveyard\nMan."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>73\n>He retired in his home\nlmao\n>achieved all of his goals of destroying the Anglo Iranian Oil company\nYeah. I mean, if their changing their name counts as being destroyed, and destroying one company was the entirety of his political ambition, then sure you're correct.\n>and ended the evil British government's meddling\nNot really true. Although to some extent British meddling became replaced with American meddling, which is perhaps a marginal improvement.\n\nAt this point I'm convinced you're either some flavor of raghead and are incapable of rational thought, or just straight up baiting. The other possibility is that you're the peak oil guy and will literally never concede any point. In any case, this conversation is completely futile."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\nThe Americans are responsible for that, not British serfs, and America still decided to buy Iranian oil in the last few years."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>78\n>>79\nHoly shit, this guy got fucking Buck Broken by /his/ until he lost his mind lol"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>I mean, if their changing their name counts as being destroyed, and destroying one company was the entirety of his political ambition,\nThey lost their monopoly and outsized profits. Other companies replaced them.\n>Not really true. Although to some extent\nYou've already contradicted yourself, retard.\n>British meddling became replaced with American meddling, which is perhaps a marginal improvement.\nBig improvement and America was buying Iranian oil a few years ago and today Britain follows American orders."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nCope more."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>78\n>the other 60% was split between Iran and the US.\nThis is completely wrong. The other 60% was split between 5 US companies (8% each, for a total of 40%), 1 Dutch company (14%), 1 French company (6%)\nNotice who's missing?\nIran continued to be paid a lump sum and a fee per tonne in exchange for the exploitation, much like in previous agreements."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\n>>85\n>Mossedegh retired to his home\nIt’s time for you to take a break"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>2\nPotentially. There’s a difference between restriction of sales and outright nationalization.\n>X can only be purchased by citizens\nvs\n>Noncitizens who own X will have it confiscated\n\nYou could make some argument at least if they were compensated appropriately however."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\nI like how this silly buck-broken wog is so busy seething at Britain he's cheering on the US mogging them as hegemons.\nThe absolute state of thirdies."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\nActually BP had 40% of the foreign shares which were only 50% of the total shares. Iran ended up with 50% of the shares.\n\n>dividing the aforementioned 50% ownership to foreign companies as follows. 40% to be divided equally (8% each) among the five major American companies; British Petroleum to have a 40% share"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>16\nYour allegory is dumb\n>Hey neighbor there’s gold under your house, I’m the only person on earth with a pickaxe and if you let me dig a mine I’ll share the profits with you\n>Once your neighbor digs the mine you kick him out and take his pickaxe for good measure"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nYou're too dumb for this conversation and lack basic knowledge on the matter."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\n50% ownership of what?"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nThe British government owned the oil company, Mossedegh was a retard, and he got BTFO."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">whitoids acting like stereotypical jews ITT\nLmao"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>browncels being retarded and whining about white peoples for being developed and shit"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nhere's your (you), can you pretend to be White and make a decent post now instead of acting like such a subhuman nigger kike mutt?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\n>>97\n>seething"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\n>makes a deal\n>immediately reneges on the terms the moment the hard work is done and the material paid-off by the other party\n>tries to paint the other party as a jew despite having just stabbed a cordial business partner in the back for shekels\nlol\nlmao, even"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>93\nThe Iranian government had 50% ownership of the oil. The Americans had 20%, British 20%, Dutch 7%, and French 3%. The British lost their monopoly, profit, and political influence because of what Mossedegh did. Iran had the majority shares because of him which is probably why the Shah let him retire instead of executing him despite British pressure which admittedly became irrelevant."}, {"id": 101, "content": "Somehow the side that is supported by Daddy Schwarzkopf who covered the Lindhberg baby cases, and KIM Rockefeller doesn't seem like the right side.\nSorry JEW-P Morgan fags, lose again."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>2\nChina has seized nothing of America's. They even let them leave during the Pandemic."}, {"id": 103, "content": "There are so many completely disingenuous, disgusting apparently butthurt British apologists in this thread.\nMossadegh did nothing wrong. Literally nothing."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\nEvery single point you made in this thread has been prove to be bullshit and on top of all of that you resorted to claiming that Mossedegh “retired” in one of the most humiliating copes I have ever seen.\n\nWhat this stems from is sensitive conspiracy tards having a melt down over one of their pet theories being exposed as bullshit."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\n4chan needs ids everywhere. I've only made two posts here.\nDoesn't change the fact that Mossadegh was an absolute populist who acted on a position that was the majority opinion for 50 years, Gained power only because democracy finally expressed itself, and never suspended democracy, just was summoned to a bogus Hague meeting while known subversion and bribery was fixing the election back home and they wanted to hold a vote where counts were actually monitored.\n\nYou're just a sad, sorry British apologists because there are people like you who just can't let go. A true sign of a declined civilization that stubbornly holds onto past glory, unable to admit guilt because false glory is all you have left.\n\nI know that there's plenty for British Civilization to be proud of, but Brits never seem to name the actual stuff and stick to militaristic bullshit like the Blitz and other things like this obvious bad look for Britain with Iran.\nThe fact that even you lot can't sort your own merits out of history is exactly why your empire decline.\nYour goodness was bred out of you, educated out of you by the Imperialists."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol, who cares. Iran took it, Anglos didn't retaliate. That means the oil facilities, while effectively stolen, are theirs now. Sure, the British have a right to be upset, but I don't see how I should seethe at Mossadegh for something that doesn't bother me."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>104\nLow IQ retard."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>48\nUm chud, it was the 8th largest railroad network in the world. (That nationalization wasn't a good deal though)"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nOverimposed over Europe for scale.\n\nPeron was a retard though. They were purchased in exchange for the debt Britain owed to Argentina during WW2 which was massive. The network, while still one of the most modern in the world at the time, was in relatively bad shape due to lack of investment since the 1930s.\n\nBut the nationalists in Argentina had been chimping out for two decades over >muh railroads owned by the British. The alliance with the Brits was the best thing that happened to this country."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\nSo theft is okay as long as you get away with it?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>4\n>>8\n>Persians\n>Brown\ngo back to watching vaush or whatever tranny breadtuber is popular"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre any of these supposed to be bad things?"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nOP is a gigafag who keeps on pushing the \"Mossadegh was just as bad because he stole British Iranian Oil\" angle from many threads ago"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou make him sound so based."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>110\nyes. it's called conquest."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>46\n\nFor me, it was Livio Dante Porta's prototype"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>114\n>>112\nHe didn't even \"suspend elections\". He was by far the most popular candidate. It's just that Britain summoned Mossadegh to the Hague and even the Hague dropped the case completely, meanwhile, right out in the open Britain was bribing rural officials millions to rig the election against Mossadegh, so elections were suspended until\n1) Mossadegh could return\n2) the government could set up proper election monitoring in rural areas\n\nThat's it.\n\nAnd KIM keep in memory Kermit Rockefeller, the faggy CIA one, along with Norman Schwarzkopf Sr. who was a fixer in the NJ police as part of the intimidation campaign against Lindbergh where they kidnapped his kid, the NY Fed cartel which backed FDR; these two guys were the Ajax bosses."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>110\nNo, pseudo-imperial colonial management of other countries natural resources is a grey area. The \"deal\" behind the oil was unpopular and politically suspect from the beginning, and was a consistent bone of contention among popular sentiment the entire time and nationalization as a populist issue for decades before it finally happened.\n\nThe thing about national sovereignty is that it exists. If you invest in foreign countries, this is a risk.\nOnly imperialist apologists in the UK and US etc. will defend sovereignty infringing jackal actions to preserve foreign ownership or sweetheart deals.\n\nEven so the Anglo-Iranian deal wasn't clear cut and it's less so that Britain was robbed, and more so that Britain was cut out of a deal which they had hoped to profit from.\n\nTotally pathetic and petulant on Britain's part, who had been operating with an air of entitlement that because right makes might and England is a tiny island, that there is an entitlement to suzerain hegemony over vast natural resources beyond Britannia in the name of what's right in the world.\n\nAs I have said, there's clearly more good and right in British history than exists in any other country, but even British apologists fail to be able to name the contributions of men like Reid or Priestly, etc. they do remember Wilberforce, only out of guilt-correction, but then they go on about the Empire and the Blitz and Napoleon. The British consciousness is built out of 1920s mass media and imperialist propaganda. They're barely aware of their own good history and are stuck in this larp from the old BBC where do-no-wrong Britannia is exclusively a project for dominating the world's demons through force and commodity control."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nSo Britain had no right to the oil, but Iran had no right to the infrastructure Britain built to extract the oil? So you would be fine if Britain decided to bomb all the wells, refineries, pipelines and other infrastructure they built, as was their right?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>9\nsuck my dick faggot Iran was gonna be divided between the Soviets and the Brits but the Soviets pulled out, imagine some faggot who won’t even step foot out of Europe gets to own your earthly resources and guess what, you have to pay him for it, kys eurofag, stick to coal and leave the oil to its people >>18\nyeah it was deal of agree or we will kill you and replace you with another one, suck my dick faggot"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\ndid they really bring British construction workers to build the whole thing?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Suspended parliament\n>declares himself a dictator\nThe real government the safavid shahs were overthrown two centuries prior so it didnt matter if he did this"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\nThis is just a pathetic temper tantrum and entitlement. Poor brown countries are not entitled to the technological superiority of white European countries. You can’t just steal things because you believe you are the rightful over out of some bruised ego"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nWho owns the oil now, /pol/turd?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\nCompletely irreverent. Again, only emotional children get butthurt at the fact that Mossedegh was in the wrong"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>essentially stealing billions in strong armed robbery\nAn Anglo is using this as an argument, seriously? If you aren't satisfied, consider that being karmic justice for, let's say, the Opium Wars and be happy because you should have gotten it far worse."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>12\nit's called political risk anon, every investment anywhere depends on staying in the good graces of the local authorities.\nCorporations aren't sovereign, if you losing everything gets greeted by national celebrations you're gonna lose everything. Should've been less greedy beforehand."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>120\nIt's just retarded Anglo elites that act retarded like this. If Germans colonized Iran, I don't think it would have turned out that.\nThe Anglos and French are both annoying."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>128\n>out that\nout that bad*\n>If Germans\nIf past Germans*"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>125\nThe only people who think Mossadegh was wrong are people who think the US and UK won every war they fought, that they good guys always won, that every enemy of the US and UK was actually a bad guy who forced their hands.\n\nEtc."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>that every enemy of the US and UK was actually a bad guy who forced their hands\nThat’s what you believe about WW2"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nIrrelevant projection"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Now that the dust has seetled,\nwhy are they getting replaced(their women gettting fucked) by black immigrants with 85 iq strugling to reach 5'6 height on average"}, {"id": 2, "content": "this is literally just a \"countries i disagree with\" map\nhence why nepal that elected communists is light blue in a sea of navy and italy is the second darkest blue, because they elected far right lady\n\ni'm honestly surprised ukraine isn't pink"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">why are they getting replaced(their women gettting fucked) by black immigrants with 85 iq strugling to reach 5'6 height on average\nYou're confusing them with the French, Dutch, Spanish, English, and Portuguese.\n\nNordic countries have fewer African migrants. Western Europeans cuckolds have more African migrants and worship BBC."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nmasculine niggers are african americans, sweden, norway holland,,....\nAre getting replaced by nafris"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNo, African migrants including Nafris are cucking the French, Dutch, Spanish, English, etc. They're not in Nordic countries in any significant numbers."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nnafris or whatever are in sweden and other nordid countries doe"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy defines a feminine or masculine culture?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>Dutch\n>national anthem\n>i always honored the king of spain\nKEKKEKEKEKE"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThey aren't in Sweden in any significant percentage and you're a retard."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBut they literally are…them and other MENA type people"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Total nordoid destruction"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow was this map determined?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nBy looking at how feminine or masculine different countries are."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no real way to determine \"masculinity\" on an international basis. This map is fake news and you deserve a bullet to your head for believing it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">feminine countries are the richest, healthiest, cleansest, happiest and most educated countries"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n>Nordic countries have fewer African migrants\nDoesn't make them any less disastrous."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nyes anon comfort is feminizing"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty much all western countries are feminine."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Lmao wypipo was cavemen while we arabs was building civilization"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Arabs are 70% white."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNah bro"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The weakest bait of the week."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCope caveboy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Arabs\nYou mean assimilated Egyptians, Levantines, Mesopotamians and Iranians"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nArabs"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArabs were the greatests slavers of all time, enslaving and deporting more peoples, regardless of skin color than anyone in History.\nThey had to be forced to outlaw slavery in 1972 (!!!!)"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo?\nThe First Civilizations were built by non Arabs, Like Sumers, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Assyrians, the Greeks, Persians, Indians, Chinese, and the Mayans. Arabs were basically just Desert Nomads\n>>8\nThis, Arabs are incredibly good at slavery. Btw anon, they still have slavery, its just less obvious"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Ever improvement modern Europe made was accompanied by it abandoning the Arab culture that captured it in a medieval cage."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYeah basically, European Inventions were either original, or an upgrade to the original, Like the Euros using Gunpowder to make actual guns, and advance them further and further, as well as many other things."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nAnd what were white people doing during all this brown history?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nYou're welcome for having been made civilized"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThen? Accustoming to their environment. Making a Proto Society. Similar to Arabs really. It then changed after Celts and other European groups started advancing over time. Civilization basically spread like a wildfire, Hitting other countries. But Rome really was the one that made a semi permeant societies."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nYeah, but we did it better, and every time we improved we let go of some element of your influence. Excellence is far more valuable and deserving of praise than novelty."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArabs never built jack shit. \"Arab\" civilization came from culturally Arabized non-Arabs."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nNo civilization?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nYoure white like the toilet paper I wipe my ass with"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nExcellent at cave dwelling"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>did everything you did, but improved on it\n>brought new ideas into the mix on top of that.\nWe're better than you at your own game."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYour ancestors were building shitbrick houses in the woods during the islamic golden age\n\nKek"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nStop pretending Ahmed, we know you don’t use toilet paper."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncaucasian supremacy\nbrowns seething"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nAnd the Muslim golden age advanced to a stopping point to which it could advance no further. Progress was only made after that point by abandoning much of what was done by Muslims during that period."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Lmao wypipo was cavemen while we arabs was building civilization\nBuilding civilization in the equivalent of a closet full of sand until muhammed came and riled them up with the newest edition of the sand nigger trilogy?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>18\nI'm not white."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek arabs were cultureless bedouin niggers that stole all their shit from the sassanids seethe more Achmed"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>arab mathematical achievements\n> 1+x=2, x=1\n>european mathematical achievements:\n>solved all polynomials up to 4th and proved no general formula exists for 5th and higher\nthe achievements of muslims are very exaggerated. the idea that the islamic world was basically atlantis while the rest of the world was rolling in pig shit is plain propaganda."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>27\n>>28\nI will be sure to read your complaints tomorrow inshallah"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>3\n30% ?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>8\nthis is based"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Large annual military parades were a staple of the Soviet state as a means of flexing its military might on the world. These parades were held to commemorate the anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution on November 7. The practice began in the early 1930s--after a few embarrassing moments in the early years with vehicles breaking down during the parades, everything was checked out carefully first and made sure to be in proper working order. The annual November 7 military parade was dutifully held through the height of the Stalinist purges and during WWII, and every year through 1990 with special attention given to the decennial anniversaries of the Bolshevik Revolution (1937, 1947, 1957, 1967, 1977, and 1987).\n\n>Western observers often used the parades to gauge the current state of the Soviet leadership as a Politburo member who was absent from the review of the parade might be in ill health or possibly fallen from favor--when Soviet leader Yuri Andropov failed to attend the 1983 parade, it was correctly guessed that his health was failing (he died three months later)."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">The Chinese Communist Party copied this Soviet tradition, at least for the early years of the PRC and had an annual military parade each National Day (October 1) up to 1959 when the expense of the events caused the CCP to drop the practice except on the decennial anniversary of the PRC's establishment in 1949. However politics prevented this from actually happening as the chaos of the cultural Revolution and its aftermath prevented any parade from being held in 1969 and 1979. Instead, the PRC held a military parade in 1984, a fairly modest event that seemed to accomplish little but showcase China's military backwardness. The aftermath of the Tiananmen Square Massacre resulted in the cancellation of the planned 1989 parade to commemorate the PRC's 40th anniversary. However, since that time China has held decennial military parades in 1999, 2009, and 2019."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nTHIS is what /his/ was meant to be. Well done OP beautiful thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI can just go to wikipedia to read all of this. I'd rather argue about race or religion."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Official procession of commie religion and its priesthood"}, {"id": 6, "content": "uhhh proletariat bros...\nhttps://youtu.be/VbhJalwmGq4?t=743 [Embed]\nis that a chocolate fountain, gold etched furnishings, crystal chandeliers, and choccy milk out of a champagne glass?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>the chaos of the cultural Revolution and its aftermath prevented any parade from being held in 1969 and 1979.\nidk sounds like revisionist nonsense to me\nhttps://youtu.be/6YQjYUeaFpk?t=75 [Embed]\nSource? That's just straight wrong."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA parade of losers, failures, and dumbasses.\n\n>Our military is so strong-ACK the whole country collapsed!\n\nahahaha I spit on the pathetic red dogs"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThe last one in Vietnam I could find was 2015 which was the 70th national day which makes me wonder if they do it every 10 years like China.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/fBJO9W9mBjg [Embed]\n\n>>6\nThat's my local Chinese buffet."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\ncaptialism bros... it's time to defect for junglegook poon"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>when Soviet leader Yuri Andropov failed to attend the 1983 parade, it was correctly guessed that his health was failing (he died three months later)\nStalin and Brezhnev did manage to attend the parades in 1952 and '82 despite being near death"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nlol these parades are a staple of shithole dictatorships so they can impress the might of the state on the masses"}, {"id": 13, "content": "North Korea holds them...not annually but maybe every couple of years? Since the 90s they don't feature anything in the parades but missiles and infantry as their stock of aircraft and tanks are ancient 1970s Soviet gear that would be embarrassing to put on display."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nthat wasn't a military parade though"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nAndropov was literally hooked up to a dialysis machine in his last months."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nA fitting analogy for the USSR at the time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where does Arianism lay on the Trinitarian-Monarchian spectrum?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nafter the jewish race, before the islamic race."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWut"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did a bunch of 60IQ slaves manage to rise up, overthrow and genocide their masters and defeat the professional French army? Was it really a voodoo pact with the devil? Has this been achieved anywhere else in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>60IQ slaves manage to rise up, overthrow and genocide their masters and defeat professional armies\n\nthat's islam"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nyeah it happened in Islamic societies multiple times. Looking at you, \"Mameluke Dynasty\"\n>>1 (OP)\n>be slave society\n>get collapses because of many reasons including economic and diplomatic\n>unable to control slaves anymore\n>slaves take over\nif Europeans formed slave societies in Europe instead of colonies there could be slave dynasties in Europe, similar to how it happened in middle east."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did a bunch of 60IQ slaves manage to rise up, overthrow and genocide their masters\nThey outnumbered them heavily.\n>and defeat the professional French army?\nThey didn't defeat it, they just hid in the mountains while the French army caught malaria and left."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did a bunch of 60IQ slaves manage to rise up, overthrow and genocide their masters\n\nAbout 90% of Haiti was black. Another 5% or so was coloured. Only about 5% was white. To say the whites were at a numerical disadvantage would be a massive understatement. Once the slave revolt unified it became impossible to win without outside support. Which brings us to...\n\n>defeat the professional French army?\nYellow fever. Also Napoleon needing soldiers for his more important European wars and not wanting to waste good soldiers on a colonial sideshow.\n\n>Has this been achieved anywhere else in history?\nThe Mamluks come to mind. But it is rare. Haiti was a perfect story of a ludicrously outnumbered ruling class + their colonial metropole thrown into chaos and war and unable to help + bad luck (see yellow fever)."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nZanzibar and a few other Arab cities on the Swahili coast. Most Slave rebellions/peasant uprisings fail because they aren't properly armed while the upper classes are. A decent example of this is the German Peasants War where the upper classes slaughtered 100-300k peasants despite their numerical advantage. The only time lower classes win against upper classes is through intense ideological warfare, gaining access to weapons, or having an insanely disproportionate numerical advantage to the point were the amount of numbers shaved off them doesnt matter as long as the opposing side is crushed. Of the 500k on Haiti, 200k slaves died, and all the French whites were(rightfully) exterminated."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>They didn't defeat it, they just hid in the mountains while the French army caught malaria and left.\nthat's even more embarrasing"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were unironically good fighters with high moral waging asymmetrical warfare in the humid Caribbean climate which caused major problems for traditional European armies"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>1 (OP)\nThe Haitian revolution happened in the middle of the French revolution. There were way more pressing matters than half an island an ocean away."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>all the French whites were(rightfully) exterminated\n\nGlad Haiti wound up in the hands of people too stupid to grow food"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> Has this been achieved anywhere else in history?\nNot to the same scale, but there were plenty of examples of in the Americas of black slaves revolting, killing their masters, and/or running away to form Maroon villages in isolated regions of places like Jamaica, Brazil, Guyana, Suriname, and even a couple in the US.\n\nThat said, Haiti is the outlier because of how unique the conditions were both in Europe and in the Americas at the time which allowed what would have otherwise been a typical slave revolt to become a racewar that essentially eradicated every white Haitian."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIm sure they can grow food or they would be dead within a few months, and there was no USAID in the 19th century"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI recently found out one of my ancestors fled this revolution. Otherwise, she would surely have been killed."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI read somewhere that most of these slaves were mostly prisoners of war sold by Congolese war lords, basically pretty violent men who had some degree of military training. A lot of them escaped as soon as they got to the island and survived in the bush doing nothing but plot revenge. It just took a handful of non-retarded leaders (Louverture and Dessalines were definitely not 60IQ) to rise up and organize them into an efficient guerrilla army.\nSadly, they were only good at fighting and couldn’t really build a stable society afterwards. They tried to copy the French and American political systems but that was not adapted to them."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\n>and all the French whites were(rightfully) exterminated.\nHow's that working out?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWell the haitian population has multiplied so they must be prospering. Starving people die, not multiply"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>so they must be prospering"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith the help of Britain, Spain and Yellow Fever"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\n>>12\n>>16\n\nhow did you manage to give such an enlightened answer about lower class vs upper class struggle, and then move to a shit post, in an unfunny unoriginal way, about black people being normal"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe educated mulattos switched sides and turned on the whites."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nGot called a raycist last time pointing this out in a muttmerican history thread"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>overthrow\nthe French garrison left\n>defeat the French\nWhen they returned they could not dislodge the French or the English, the French had their supply lines cut by the English and the Haitians did not produce enough food for the French to take when they pillaged after a victory.\nThe French were outnumbered by the more numerous Haitians, starved, and without reinforcements, medicine, or food, were forced to surrender en masse to the British, who fought back the Haitians themselves and then abandoned the island seeing as how Haiti was crap and the DR was poor and any conquest would necessitate large numbers of men who would have to be fed entirely by naval routes coming from either the homeland or other islands, in addition to the unfavorable weather which itself had lowered troop morale so severely they refused to wear their heavy cotton uniforms even while in battle."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did a bunch of 60IQ slaves manage to rise up, overthrow and genocide their masters and defeat the professional French army?\nEveryone was retarded back then.\n\n>Was it really a voodoo pact with the devil?\nVoodoo doesn't have a devil figure analogous with the devil.\n\n>Has this been achieved anywhere else in history?\nSlave rebellions weren't uncommon"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>move to a shit post, in an unfunny unoriginal way, about black people being normal\n? Not like staying a a plantation state with rapidly depleting spoil and vulnerable to crop diseases was gonna work either way and the whole \"let's bring back slavery!!!\" Ghing didn't endear anyone really."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>19\nYou're responding to multiple anons, not just me, you have to really know the conditions of the slaves prior to the revolt to know how dire the situation in Haiti was. Like many plantations across the Caribbean and Brazil, slavery was far more intense than that of North America and deathrates were expontially higher, to the point that it was cheaper to just keep on replacing dying slaves in mass with fresh arrivals than to gurantee the livelihood of the slaves already there.Haiti was especially worse, the average lifespan of a slave upon arrival to the island was 2 years, where they either died from yellow fever, malaria,harsh punishments, or overwork. For the people rebelling, it was quite literally a do or die situation, be it from the chance of their freedom or the harshness of their servitude."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>whites were(rightfully) exterminated\ni wasnt triggered by that\nbut the gaslighting about current haiti not being a hell on earth.\n\nIn the context at the time i understand why black haitians did that\ni also understand why the americas colonies wanted independence.\nBut given that i live in their future i can speak from a different point of view they could not, stating that the these rebellions were a mistake. You dont need to agree with me on this. And it wasnt my point.\nMy point is Black people... are they humans?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>My point is Black people... are they humans?\nIs anyone really?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nYou must always view peoples actions in history from a prospective rather than a retrospective, as in the ideas of the time, and the events leading up to their decisions rather than letting our modern biases hold us back. The people living their had no clue what their futures would hold and whether they would live for a few more months or years at best, so to them it was better to die fighting for a future in which they could be free than to to die in droves for however long their slavery's extent would be.\n\nThat craving for freedom oppresion is very human one, but the real question would be were the French human. They had just experienced a revolution declaring the rights of man against tyranny, yet in their colonies they were sacrificing droves of Africans for profits. They were rapidly Christianizing them and teaching them about the equality of man under God, while they worked them to death in fields. They espoused Enlightment Ideals of natural rights and the liberty yet they could not meet them. Hearing these high platitudes as a slave is the same as drinking water in front of dehyrated man in the desert or eating a lavish feast infront of a pauper. Hypocrites are less than animals."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n> They had just experienced a revolution declaring the rights of man against tyranny, yet in their colonies they were sacrificing droves of Africans for profits\nThe revolutionaries actually abolished slavery in 1974 and gave everyone citizenship regardless of race. They were 100% true to their principles.\nA few years later, Napoleon tried to reinstate slavery because he needed money to finance his wars, and that's when shit hit the fan."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do you know their IQ?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIQ is the 4teenager's obsession. Humans can form functional communities almost anywhere on the fucking planet, which baffles autists fixated on abstractions."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nWell documented in studies by Richard Lynn."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>Richard Lynn.\nUnless he's an immortal he would not have the IQ data of anyone from centuries back lol."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nConsidering the average in 2006 was 67. 60 is a very generous estimate for 200 years ago."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\n>but the gaslighting about current haiti not being a hell on earth.\nWhat is bad about Haiti?\nPeople have houses and food, you make it look like some extermination camp"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nlmao you don't get how shit works."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Assuming no WW2 (invasion of poland and beyond) or other conflict, could Nazi German survive its first transfer of power after Hitlers eventual death?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNazi Germany wasn't a dictatorship, people chose NSDAP"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nPeople chose most every dictatorship"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were planning for all that. I believe it basically would've been senate elections of a new leader while also giving some of Hitlers power to the senate. A dicatorship was seen as un-German by Hitler so they wanted something inspired by the HRE or old Germanic Diets. It was a pretty big process actually with everyone including non-party members being able to suggest ideas."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's a tough question to answer. If you mean would they have still been Nazis, probably not. The people Hitler liked and thought would be in power after him were almost all \"old guard\" types. If Hitler knew that or cared or even did it intentionally I really couldn't tell you."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHonestly, no\nNational socialism = Hitler\nThere's a reason why the German people gave up on the idea after his death"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Faces incompetent commanders\n>Faces the cowardly traitor George Mcclellan\n>Still loses\nThe Union was destined by god to win the war and liberate the slaves. No other explanation."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngod love dat bbc?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ncoomer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nGod be a coomer for dat bbc doe?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nMutt’s law"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI'm BLACK NIGGA"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nno one cares, you are a coomer"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>traitor George Mcclellan\n?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>6\n>yt boi immediately talks about bbc\npottery"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNigga i'm BLACK. im just tellin it how it is nigga if God want niggas be free he must LOVE dat bbc"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Actively decides not to take out the Confederates when he had the chance\n>Actively tried to sabotage Lincoln's good decisions\n>Runs against Lincoln in the presidential election\nIf he's not a traitor he's so retarded he should've had a lobotomy"}, {"id": 12, "content": "And now the government is more omnipotent and overbearing than ever, blacks run rampant murdering thousands every year under a pro-crime regime, and the South itself is being culturally annihilated through colonization by Yankees and foreigners. The Confederates were objectively right about everything, all that they feared would happen came to pass. So how could you argue that they were wrong?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nthe South is more culturally prominent in the US than it has even been before Anon-kun, the entire region is undergoing a massive economic revival with even the most desolate of shitholes like Mississippi seeing rises in living standards and income"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nBiggest mutts of us all."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhile the AI was certainly trash he did play on Legendary difficulty which gave the AI a 15x economic buff (literally free cash) and a 5x manpower buff while he himself had a manpower debuff called the Western Army which regularly siphoned manpower, including veterancy, from him every year.\ndefinitely not a perfect playthrough, but no doubt an extremely high score.\n>>2\n>>4\n>>6\n>>9\n>>10\n>a doctor with tiny scissors kills the bbc\nBRUTAL"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nYou're lying through your teeth because it bothers you that you know I'm right. The fact that you can find grits in Chicago and shitlibs mockingly use \"y'all\" does not obscure the fact that the South is being completely dismantled by an influx of millions of people who are explicitly hostile to it. Like many others I was born here without a Southern accent and it's impossible to go to any sizeable town here without finding as many Yankees and foreigners as Southerners."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThey say Y'all unironically"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\n>>10\n>>10\nImagine getting your self worth from other niggas genitalia. Coons like you are an embarrassment to our people."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nstill a mutt tho"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">confederates feared if freed, blacks would run roughshod over society\nWew, good thing this didn't happen"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nSelf-fulfilling prophecy."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nIt didn't happen but it should have. They deserved it."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nt. Rabbi Sean Gonzalez"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nNah he loves the beautiful negresses. He respects black men as human beings but has no special affinity for any men."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nnah i thin he e a slut for bbc doe"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Lee's army had a surplus of eager volunteers and very little else. The Union had a surplus of basically everything useful for war except eager volunteers, and they made up for that with conscription.\n\nGiven these material advantages, the North's victory isn't unusual. It was just a question of how the superior supply of the north was put to use in the war. In the hands of overly-cautious commanders who allowed Lee to set the tempo of the conflict, the North's advantages amounted to little. In the hands of Ulysses S. Grant, it allowed them to simply bulldoze their way through the South's relatively thin defenses. Grant's strategy was essentially \"I have more men, more guns, more everything, I can afford losses in a straight up fight and he can't, ergo I will force him to fight or else retreat, and if I do this enough I will win\"."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nThis."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>The Union had a surplus of basically everything useful for war except eager volunteers\nThey had the volunteers once the slaves were freed and were allowed into the army. The only advantage the South had was Lee himself which is very interesting, imagine if Lincoln had convinced him to join the union. The war would've been over much faster."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOld man got zerged simple as, should of seen how many Ls the union took against him before Lee finally got overwhelmed. Should be a lesson to all \"muh k/d ratio\" faggots."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nJews don't rule the world but they should."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nI want to fuck her. Something about barely black women just gets me so hard."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The desire of the wicked shall perish - He shall not be able to accomplish his desire, or to carry out his purposes.\n\nWhats the point of trying out the wicked if this is the end?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLove your enemies and keep peace with everyone"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whether period from approximately 1945 to 1968 in the western world was unique short time in history when people enjoyed decent quality of life and were still free from globohomo and modern days degeneration?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "problem with these conversations is there can't be any real nuance\nit will be on one side libtards who think everyone died from polio and on the other side zoomers who think 'degeneracy' started in 1969\nto answer your poorly-worded question, no, and it is not worth elaborating on"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>were still free from globohomo and modern days degeneration\nNo they weren't. Elvis the Pelvis was shaking his crotch on live TV and negros were corrupting the youth with blues music and reefer madness."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nIt was better than today.\n>but non-White males\ndont care, im not a non-White male so why should I care about another people who dont care about me?\n\nI want to go to a time where things are best for my people, why hold it against me?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nPeople in general are your people. Race is gay and irrelevant from a moral perspective. Inb4 “you’re le onions Reddit onion cuck” or whatever copy pasta is making its way on 4chan."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>period from approximately 1945 to 1968 in the western world\nNot the western world. USA and only the USA\nWestern Europe was in the shitter because Amerisharts plundered their wealth after the war and this wealth lasted them until the 1970s"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>People in general are your people\nUntil the line goes down."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarab_people\n>The Magyarab are a community living along the Nile River in Egypt and Sudan. They are of Hungarian ancestry.\n>The name \"Magyarab\" is not a portmanteau of the words \"Magyar\" and \"Arab\" as is commonly assumed. Rather, the name is a concatenation of \"Magyar\" (Hungarian) and \"Ab\" which in Nubian simply means \"tribe\"\n>In fact, to the Magyarab people, their Hungarian identity specifically sets them apart from the surrounding Egyptians.\n>According to some Magyarabs, their ancestor was Ibrahim el-Magyar, a general who came from Buda\n>Magyarab in Wadi Halfa were convinced that their ancestors came from \"Nemsa\" (the Arabic word for Austria)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Asians actually have culture and are successful in also America so they don't bother WEWUZing like blacks do."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>probably dating back to the late 16th century\n>pharoahs\n>>2\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies#1421:_The_Year_China_Discovered_the_World"}, {"id": 4, "content": "私たちは王様でした"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nGavin Menzies isn't Asian though"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Asiatic origins of pharaoh\n>Source says Ottoman era migration of Hungarians\nyou are a retard, and this was not even an insult. Really, get a special education."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is just another nigger larp."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nRe Rasu Sparrows en sheetu"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "and I agree I think they did believe what they preached but was their willingness to die something that proves it true?\n\nBuddhists mummify themselves alive for their faith and starve themselves, and muslims die for their faith all the time too"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I think they did believe what they preached but was their willingness to die something that proves it true?\nYes because what they preached was that they saw Jesus Christ rise from the dead."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The evidence for martyr deaths is flimsy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>and I agree I think they did believe what they preached but was their willingness to die something that proves it true?\nNo it does not, but this point is not raised as evidence that their beliefs were true, which is a constant misunderstanding by atheists, but rather it is to show that the early Christians were sincere in their beliefs and geniunely believed them to be true, which dispels any and all accusations of deception or fraud against the apostles, they were not snake oil salesmen making up lies for power or status, they truly believed in what they preached."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe only named people who died and knew Jesus personally were the apostles, even Paul didn’t meet Jesus and just had a vision."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost atheists won't stop raging and throwing tantrums about something they \"know\" is false."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nPaul met Jesus in the road to Damascus, his was not merely a vision, he had an actual encounter with Christ Himself, and even spoke with Him."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI am a christian, I just think it's something thought-provoking that other religions died for their beliefs too\n\nFor better or for worse I like to read about other religions and history in general and from time to time I find things that make me question my faith\n\nObviously even if I stopped being a christian I wouldn't be against it. I still think Christianity is true, their values is the only light that shines through today's degeneracy so it's more than plausible that Jesus was indeed God\n\nBut I won't deny the fact that it's not easy to dismiss the faith of others when they're willing to die for it just as the early christians did, idk I'm very confused by all this"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAre you the same anon that made the thread about Islam and the moon splitting thing?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nHmm?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle\nSeriously though I’m only like 40% through the bible so I haven’t reached the new testament and Wikipedia is a beast all its own."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYep, I was a bit busy today so I couldn't really reply but yep, I'm not attacking christianity I just would like to discuss some of my thoughts to make better sense of them"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nif this is a misunderstanding by atheists it is equally a misunderstanding by Christians"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Nordicists go through so much effort to we wuz Ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, and even Near East civs like Sumerians yet are rarely ever followers of Egyptian, Greco-Roman, etc neopaganism? They are the religions of the highest Aryan civilizations, and especially Greek and Roman paganism is well documented. But they instead choose barbarian northern Aryan religion that was barely written down, or even pajeet religions that they unquestionably consider unpolluted and trve indo-evropean when they are actively being practiced by, well, the average modern Indian and South East Asian."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDarktroon, nobody cares. You're a hijra."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDeep down they know they are just larping"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Because there are real historical connections to those areas? Amber, metal-work, furs and wood from Sweden has been found in egyptian tombs.\n\nTechniques from Sardinia, Steel from India, Tin from Afghanistan all found in Sweden all dating 2000BC.\n\nIf Greeks were pharaohs and elevated to godhood, then its not a stretch to imagine Nordics were present during in the earliest stages of ancient civilizations."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThat contradicts literally nothing I said."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Darktroon, nobody cares. You're a hijra."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nHoly mother of built for big black cock"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nKek"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nIf by Nordic you mean people of modern North European ancestry, then the closest thing to that would be kingdoms taken over by Indo-European elite displacement and mixing happening after that like some pharaohs having yDNA R1b .etc\nIf by Nordid you mean abstractly the general anthropological type, then they would have mostly been gone after the neolithic ended due to cranial reduction. Light pigmented meds whose appearances fool a normie into thinking they are Nordic could have been around in Copper Age Israel but they are still Med anthropologically."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n*Though the Indo-European elites would themselves have much lower Steppe ancestry than modern day Northern Europeans."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>some vikings were buried with artifacts from the middle east\n>This means their culture and society was ruled by muslim arabs"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe are superior today, and have been for atleast the last couple of centuries, and therefore some of us like to think that we were always superior instead of our modern superiority just being a temporary fluke."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey dont.\n>>4\n>>3\nno one larps as illiterate browns\n>>12\n>temporary fluke\nno one attains total hegemony due to a fluke\na fluke would be like Athens dominating the Aegean temporarily,.\nNorthern Europeans ARE superior in their civilizational ability, browns were in the millions and never left the iron age, Northern Euros were in the hundreds of thousands when they reached the High Middle Ages and when they reached a few million they rose to world hegemony.\nIts stupid to say millions of egyptians being more developed than a few hundred farmers is evidence for Egyptian superiority.\n\nAn easy way to test this would be to compare countries of similar population size.\nTake Poland and Iraq, Poland is vastly superior to Iraq despite similar population sizes.\n>muh resources\nPoland has less and must interact with far more powerful neighbors.\nWhites produce more advanced societies because they are on average higher IQ and more inclined to pro-social behavior."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nThis is still so funny to me"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWriting is an exclusively middle eastern invention, youre writing in a semitic abjad right now"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>uh we could have made civilization but there were only thousands of us\nLmao what massive cope, and just straight up wrong. There were millions of Northern Europeans before the fall of Rome. There were less Egyptians when the Pyramids were being built than there were barbarians that lacked the organizational ability to be in tribes larger than 1000 and architecture that included mudhuts and wooden totems."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause all of them are unsecure, cowardly people who are failures in real life, which then LARP and WE WUZ in order to find any sort of meaning in their pathetic lives. They are like cuckolds- cuckolds watch porn but don't participate in the sexual act, nordicists we wuz about history but do not participate in real life- because that would mean they need to accomplish things. This is why sub Saharans and snowmonkeys are essentially the same- both we wuz, obsess about race, play the victim card, and we wuz. It's their profound deep seated insecurity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are there any records of people who were struck my lighting from Ancient Greece or Rome? Did they attribute it to the person pissing off zeus/Jupiter? Similar question for other elemental gods in general, go as broad as you wish."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI vaguely remember reading about Augustus who either was struck or nearly struck by lightening."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere’s actually a funny anecdote from Socrates in Aristophanes The Clouds where he is talking about this\n\n>If Zeus is so great why does he strike his own churches and followers with lightning and leave the non-believers unscathed?\n\nHe doesn’t mention anyone by name but you can infer that in antiquity even they noticed that the true believers TM were receiving more suffering and torment than the non-believers even though you would think it would be the opposite."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/TheClouds\n\n>Bolt of Divine Retribution (discussed): In conversation with Socrates, farmer Strepsiades is baffled by Socrates' proposition that the gods are superstitions, and brings up lightning as evidence for the existence of Zeus, as surely lightning strikes are Zeus hurling his lightning bolts at perjurers. Socrates counters by naming several (according to him) well-known perjurers who never seem to be hit by lightning, and points out that lightning has been known to strike a temple of Zeus and Zeus' own sacred oak trees. He follows up with an (unplausibly convoluted) natural explanation for lightning."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>if Gods exists why le bad things happen- AIEEEE *gets tsunami'd by poseidon\nNever change, humans"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIf the bad things are to happen they should at least target the people acting immorally."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Emperor Cary’s was fatally struck by lightning (read: killed by the praetorians)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nWhat was his explanation for lightning? Also, Socrates really gives off a new atheist Reddit vibe, and I do not mean that as a compliment."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhen a dry wind gets stuck in the clouds it is tossed to and fro before leaving in a great crash of thunder. Here is the full excerpt of the relevant parts:\n\n>SOCRATES When a dry wind ascends to the Clouds and gets shut into them, it blows them out like a bladder; finally, being too confined, it bursts them, escapes with fierce violence and a roar to flash into flame by reason of its own impetuosity.\n\nhttps://www.hellenicaworld.com/Greece/Science/en/SocratesThunder.html\n\nAristophanes meant this as a joke but he is not entirely wrong. This is how tornadoes are created. Different wind currents meeting and bumping against one another."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking, why did the nordic aryans who founded every civilization on the face of the earth get blacked?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnordic aryans dna neanderthal."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If mongols didnt rape german women why did they look like this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>being recessed and ugly is an asian trait\nWhat did OP mean by this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nand short"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was the Huns dipshit, Mongols never got to Germany."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who won this debate?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn't even a debate."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Objectively what's wrong with it"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Is this his most recent one? I heard Daniel got absolutely destroyed."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\nI saw it, if even a twin like Michael Jones wan wipe the floor with Daniel Hapikachu that just showcases how retarded Daniel is."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nInternet nobodies have wiped the floor with him multiple times. The only good thing about him is that his first debate with Destiny is essentially a simplified IQ test. If you think he won, they you are objectively retarded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if you capture a female slave then you can fuck her regardless of age\n>you can fuck a 2 years old female slave\ndo muslims have no idea what optics are?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYour big problem with the statements is that it makes the muslim guy look bad?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYes im a spineless empty headed mouth breather who is easily swayed by rhetoric rather than substance"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFor some reason this post doesn't sound sincere"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid Daniel lose a bet? I only wonder what could've driven him to enter that debate and embarrass himself so thoroughly, he did nothing but appeal to tradition"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Could you provide a link"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nhttps://youtu.be/FfEUXndMFXA [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nMaybe he developed some masochistic tendencies after that debate he had about Andrew Tate."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter the first period, it is acceptable with parent's and child's approval"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nthat anon is not me.\nNo need to state the obvious which is raping 5 months old concubines is bad.\nIt's just absurdly tone deaf how he nonchalantly talks about sex with a 3 year old sex slave as if it's something normal.\n0 self awareness or care for spreading your idea."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nInteresting\nI figure for a Muslim the argument is just\n>Muhammad married Aisha when she was a child\n>Muhammad never sinned\n>therefore child marriage is acceptable"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nDaniel has to rationalize why his Allah would command such a horrible and harmful thing, hence his calling all research on the issue a vast conspiracy."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nDid Allah command Muhammad to marry Aisha?\nAnyway that seems like it's more of an argument for a non-Muslim audience\nHow do we know that it is such a horrible and harmful thing? Through our own judgements and experiences, through modern research, etc\nYet Muhammad lived in accord with Allah's will and therefore Muhammad's example provides an immediately accessible guide for how we should view it"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Daniel's arguments all devolve into\n>This aspect of radical progressives ism is bad therefore we must throwaway everything related to Liberalism or else we'll all be gay"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nThere are some ways they try to get out of it. Some attempt to interpret the hadith as saying she was actually fourteen. Others emphasize the specific social or political context of the marriage (though every time I've seen it argued this, it seems to come into tension with the status Muslims give Muhammad among men). I think Daniel rejects the first because he sees it as Islam submitting to liberal values. Don't know how he feels about the second, but my guess is that he recognizes the tension such claims cause."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nI have no clue what your point is nor do I care for it. Muslims should stick to fucking goats and stay away from kids"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nAlso, the Shia have traditionally believed that she was older (and that she was evil too), but I don't think Sunnis would ever recognize their interpretation of anything, even this issue."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nWell the hadith thing is weak from what I've seen, the overwhelming consensus in the Sunni world is that she was younger than 14\nI think the cultural thing is a terrible argument, Muhammad's example is timeless, if you accept that Muhammad's life was specific to a certain time than it calls into question the usage of Hadith to apply to modern life\nI suppose if you somehow accept that children back then weren't harmed but they're harmed now then you may have an argument but then I think the above still holds\nI think what Muslims need to do is just double down and go 'QURAN AND SUNNAH' when asked questions about morality but I feel like this is intolerable for a lot of Muslims in the West\n>>22\nWell in a nutshell I'm saying that it's better and more trustworthy to get our morals from Muhammad than it is to intuit them for ourselves if we accept that Muhammad was sinless and lived in accord to Allah's will"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI agree that the arguments aren't particularly compelling, but those are the ways I seem them try to work around it.\n>I think what Muslims need to do is just double down and go 'QURAN AND SUNNAH' when asked questions about morality but I feel like this is intolerable for a lot of Muslims in the West\nThis raises new issues. Doesn't the Quran itself say that people should look to the example of the prophets on how to behave? The Quran itself as far as I can tell more or less encourages the use of hadith."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYeah I agree that Islam requires the usage of Hadith and that Hadith are not optional\nAt least with Muslims in the West you have Muslims who pick and choose what they follow, the child marriage thing would be the best example I suppose\nThen you have Muslims around the world who aren't satisfied with reading in a Hadith that X thing is prohibited, they have to rationalise why it might be prohibited and provide a number of reasons\nIt's funny because in my experience Jews are more likely to say 'I don't eat pork because God told me not to' whilst Muslims will start ranting about how all of these studies show that eating Pork is unhealthy and that it gives you parasites"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIt's one of those thing where even if I don't find these alternative interpretations compelling, I do sympathize with the people who make them since it must be tough having a moral compass and sincere faith in a god.\nIt's people like Daniel who seem attracted to religion as a way to legitimize their violent fantasies and attract an audience of people who share them that really disgust me.\n>It's funny because in my experience Jews are more likely to say 'I don't eat pork because God told me not to' whilst Muslims will start ranting about how all of these studies show that eating Pork is unhealthy and that it gives you parasites\nI do think that Islamic tradition and apologetics tend to be rationalistic to the point that they undermine themselves, but that's a different conversation."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>It's people like Daniel who seem attracted to religion as a way to legitimize their violent fantasies and attract an audience of people who share them that really disgust me\nI wouldn't say he's violent he and his followers are reactionaries who believe that Islam will reverse the destructive aspects of Progressivism and believe that Liberalism is inherently tied to it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nHe's someone who has advocated for the violence that he feels is justified by his religion's teachings. If you're preaching that sort of thing, I'm not going to split hairs with you about whether you see it as a means to an end or an end in itself."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>9\nThis describes every atheist on /his/"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInspiring Philosophy proved that sex with prepubescent girls is emotionally and physically harmful for them but failed to prove that child marriage itself and sex with pubescent girls are harmful. I'd say Daniel won by a small margin. ."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>Inspiring Philosophy proved that sex with prepubescent girls is emotionally and physically harmful for them\n>but failed to prove that child marriage itself and sex with pubescent girls are harmful.\nwat."}, {"id": 33, "content": "Has there ever been a society which encouraged mature women to marry late-pubescent boys? It solves the sexual frustration element for boys who have very little risk in sexual activity.\nJones had a good point that teaching sexual control through puberty has a positive social effect, no wonder christian societies are on the moral bleeding edge"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>20\nI mean there's kind of a point to that, all of it eventually leads to nihilism if not properly kept in check."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>Has there ever been a society which encouraged mature women to marry late-pubescent boys?\nDefine mature, because if we're talking 40 and up then the risk factor when having kids increases exponentially, thus making your idea self-defeating."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nI don't know about you anon, but I'll take nihilism over pedophilia any day of the week.\n\nEven if we were to grant Daniel such point, a nihilist world would still be preferable to the one he's proposing."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>31\nChild marriage implies that sex with prepubescent girls will happen eventually, what the fuck is even your point? If we go by Muhammad's example you only have to wait until she's 9 in order for it to be considered acceptable."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nPhysically mature. Mid twenties"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nI don't think women in their 20s are going to be interested in late-pubescent boys anon. Wouldn't they rather marry men who are also in their 20s or older with more resources and status? What does an 18 year old have to offer to a grown woman in the best years of her life in her peak attractiveness that she can use to get a high value man with an established carreer and life?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nI'm not advocating it I'm just curious if it's been a norm anywhere. The benefit that boys get a legitimate sexual outlet while girls don't suffer in early pregnancy is outweighed by the superior ability of women to judge the spousal capability of a mature man"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nWho cares what women want?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nMen."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>33\n>Dirk is a straight shota fetishist"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\n>>32\nNot really. The man can wait until the girl reaches puberty around 9-13."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDaniel won this debate easily. The atheist was unable to explain child marriage is unacceptable and had to resort to ad hominem."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nThe word \"could\" is doing a lot of work here. Allowing the relationship of marriage opens the door to the possibility in such a way that we shouldn't consider it acceptable.\n>>45\nt. groomer who is uncomfortable with being called out."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\n>The atheist was unable to explain child marriage is unacceptable\nBecause adults having sex with children is harmful to them.\n\nIt's incredible that Muslims have such a hard time understanding such simple concept."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nChildren at 9-13 are not ready either physically or mentally to have sex either."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nHe failed to demonstrate to that child marriage was harmful, but even it was indeed harmful it wouldn't make it unacceptable from a religious perspective because there's no harm principle in the Quran/Bible."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>He failed to demonstrate to that child marriage was harmful\nHe cited source after source confirming again and again the harmful effects that pedophilia has on children, Daniel had to just handwave them away as muh liberal feminist conspiracy.\n>but even it was indeed harmful it wouldn't make it unacceptable from a religious perspective because there's no harm principle in the Quran/Bible.\nI know, which is why religion is stupid and needs to go away. \"Religious perspectives\" are invalid from the get go."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nEven if it isn't harmful in itself, we should find the potential harm of adults having sex with children so monstrous that we should not find it acceptable to be part of any relationship which we associate with sex in any way.\nThis is enough to conclude that child marriage should still be unacceptable from the beliefs that adult-child sexual relationships are harmful and that harm of this magnitude should be avoided in the strongest ways possible. It was never necessary to prove that child marriage in and of itself was harmful, and if you believe it was you are too dumb to have meaningful claim that someone either won or lost a debate."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>there's no harm principle in the Quran/Bible.\nI don't know about the Quran, but the Bible does have the the harm principle:\nMatthew 22:35-40\n>One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”\n>Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’\n>All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”\nLuke 6:31\n>\"Do to others as you would have them do to you.\"\nMatthew 7:12\n>So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThe guy you're arguing with is monster, but I don't think any of those necessarily constitute a harm principle."}, {"id": 54, "content": "atheists"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nthose studies use improper methods. other studies have shown no harm when proper controls are used. why would consensual sex be harmful anyways?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nIf not that, what then would constitute the harm principle?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>50\n>religion is stupid and needs to go away. \"Religious perspectives\" are invalid from the get go."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nThe fedoras were right, but they were so lame that we should follow basedboy pedo-apologist gurus instead, right."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nThe most prosperous and free societies are the least religious."}, {"id": 60, "content": "Look, maybe Aisha just had a massively huge cunny for her age and was into it. An angel cast a elasticity spell on it. Muhammad had a smallish PP.\nGot no psychological trauma, just had a good time\n\n\nhow could you possibly disprove any of that?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\npure coincidence"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\nHere's your free and prosperous society bro"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nThe copium is hitting hard, isn't it?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nAmerica is a Christian country, dumbass"}, {"id": 65, "content": "Gabriel put Aisha into a hyperbolic time chamber before Muhammad consummated the marriage"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\n>People look weird,\n>Help! I'm belong oppressed by people doing no harm to me\n>meanwhile a noted apologist Muslim literally advocates for the institutionalized grooming of little girls\n>Based!"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nIt's atheism all the way down"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>people doing no harm to me"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>they're grooming the kids!!!\n>meanwhile literally advocating for child marriages."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>68\nWhat's the issue, Daniel's position is that kiddy diddling doesn't harm children\nis he going back on that?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nYeah, they are. You're ok with it though because it's the heckin LGBT, so brave!!"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\n>me\nIt's only okay as long as the kids in the audience are girls.\nI would bet his actual position is that gender-bending is inherently bad and sinful, so as far as he's concerned, a man being in a dress near children does more harm to them than a grown man having sex with a little girl."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>68\n\nEmperor preserve us"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nI'm not okay with either of you freaks, you both deserve to be gunned down. I don't have to choose between two different flavors of the same degeneracy, you can both fuck off."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nThe claims that events like these are \"grooming\" is just hyperbolic right-wing paranoia. What Danile is advocating for is the institutionalized grooming of little girls."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\nlol, why are you simping for Daniel?\nhe's like the most creepy guy"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nTake your meds\n>>75\nOf course, our precious sodomites can do no wrong, it doesn't count when they do it! It was all probably made up by Drumpf"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n>Of course, our precious sodomites can do no wrong\nAs opposed to your precious pedophiles, who of course do no wrong."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nI'm not simping for him. I've been shitting on him this entire thread. I just wanted to outline what I expect his position to be to show how absurd it is before someone tries to sincerely argue it."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nProjection"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>26\nMuslims, just like Hindus, have this weird fascination with trying to find a scientific explanation for everything their religion claims. Christians went through the same process in the 18th century."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>77\n>Of course, our precious sodomites can do no wrong, it doesn't count when they do it! It was all probably made up by Drumpf\nWhen gays cause harm they should be punished severely. That being said, nothing that is happening at these events is comparable to the kind of grooming that Daniel is advocating for. You're the ones shrieking about grooming while being the real groomers the entire time."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>79\nsorry, I replied to the wrong post"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\n>nothing that is happening at these events is comparable to the kind of grooming that Daniel is advocating for\nYeah, and it's probably something beautiful we should celebrate too, right? Love wins!"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nYou wouldn't find me at one, but if you actually cared about grooming, there would be more anger towards Daniel and his associates than there are at these events."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>81\nI keep saying Islam apologetics is a 100 years behind, kek"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nNo, there would be more anger at you subhuman scum who are actually destroying the world than some irrelevant neckbeard. Daniel will never harm anything but a bag of cheetos, but you creatures are actively creating a new dark age"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>83\nIt's all good. The reason I think someone would be willing to simp for him is that he provides justification for people with creepy (to use your term) urges to feel as though these urges are legitimate and even good."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>80\nYou're openly advocating for pedophilia itt."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nWhere?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>81\n>Christians went through the same process in the 18th century.\nI'd say that this worked in Christianity's favor, its apologetics are much sharper and sophisticated, and for the longest time Christianity has been at the forefront of the defense of theism in intellectual circles."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>87\n>No, there would be more anger at you subhuman scum who are actually destroying the world than some irrelevant neckbeard.\nI'm neither gay, trans, nor any one of those seemingly infinite alternative sexual/gender categories, but I can tell for sure that attempts to subjugate these people cause vastly more social deterioration than their very existence. Any claims to the contrary are just pure hysteria.\n> Daniel will never harm anything but a bag of cheetos, but you creatures are actively creating a new dark age\nBy advocating these positions to an audience like he has, he has already done more harm than has ever been done at one of these events."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>unknown\nThere's more than one person here\n>>92\n>I'm neither gay, trans, nor any one of those seemingly infinite alternative sexual/gender categories\nDefending their crimes is just as subhuman\n>I can tell for sure that attempts to subjugate these people cause vastly more social deterioration than their very existence\n>By advocating these positions to an audience like he has, he has already done more harm than has ever been done at one of these events.\nA neckbeard preaching things nobody will buy, and even actually punishing abomination, are worse than handing over your child to be abused by the cult of death. Everyone, take note. This is the fruits of secularism. This is atheism. There is no other way to resist the modernist deathstyle other than through Jesus, there is no other standard by which to condemn it. It's Christ or chaos"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nLuckily for Muslims now they get to copy the Christian's homework"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nI don't know about that, Christian apologetics are specific to Christianity, Islam has a whole other bunch of issues to tackle that Christianity doesn't like, how we see itt, Muhammad's marriage with Aisha, there is nothing on Jesus' behavior that is on that level of moral questioning that needs constant defending like Muhammad, the absolute worst thing I've seen critics of Christianity bring up is the incident with the Canaanite woman and calling her a dog and all that, but even then it just comes off as pearl clutching and it clearly doesn't cause nearly as many problems fo Christians as Muhammad's marriage does for Muslims."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\n>Christian apologetics are specific to Christianity\nlol, no\nExcept for the historical stuff. Christian apologizers hate to talk about Jesus. They just want to talk about presuppositions, and why you should be sceptical of your own existence if you are sceptical about magic occurring 2000 years ago"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>93\n>Defending their crimes is just as subhuman\nThe crimes you're thinking of are largely in your imagination. As far as actual crimes are concerned, I've already stated that these people should be punished severely when they commit the, so not only have I not defended any crimes, I've actively condemned them. You're just way off base, buddy.\n>A neckbeard preaching things nobody will buy, and even actually punishing abomination, are worse than handing over your child to be abused by the cult of death.\nOne, your post is responding to one showing that multiple people have bought it at least to some extent. Two, that might be the most absurd way to describe having a kid watch some dude in a dress read Brown Bear, Brown Bear or whatever. What is wrong with you?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\n>Except for the historical stuff.\nOh, you mean except for the thing that contradicts your point?\n>Christian apologizers hate to talk about Jesus.\nNo idea what you're talking about, Christians love to talk about what a great moral teacher Jesus is and how nobody can hold anything against him. They especially like rub that on Muslims' faces whenever Muhammad is brought up.\n>They just want to talk about presuppositions, and why you should be sceptical of your own existence if you are sceptical about magic occurring 2000 years ago\nJay Dyer is not the only Chrisitan apologist out there anon."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>having a kid watch some dude in a dress read Brown Bear, Brown Bear or whatever\nYes, of course. Nobody is confusing these little children about their own gender, nobody is encouraging them to \"become who they really are\", nobody is telling them about how great it is to be a sodomite, nobody is brainwashing them in destructive ways, and you surely are not defending it because \"they're not hurting anyone\""}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nAre you familiar with Thomas Aquinas?"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nOh look, more exaggerated, sensationalized headlines. You should really touch grass."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nDid Thomas Aquinas hate to talk about Jesus? Did he ignore all the historical stuff?"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nMuslims keep stealing his first mover stuff"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nCan you think of some arguments Aquinas made that Muslims can copy?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nCan't think of anything besides his five ways, although maybe Muslim apologists would be a bit squeamish about using them because of the aristotelian logic they're based on."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nAquinas got that from the Muslims, but the Muslims got it from Aristotle.\nMedieval philosophy is just junk, and everything worthwhile that we could get from Plato and Aristotle was obscured by the idiocy the thinkers from that period (even the ones that were opposed classical philosophy)."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\n>aristotelian logic they're based on\nSome Medieval Islamic thinkers rejected formal logic as developed by Aristotle, but others embraced it. It made its way back to the likes of Aquinas through them."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nWhoa, almost sounds like this stuff isn't specific to Christianity at all"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>106\n>>107\n>>108\nYou're all wrong, both the Christians in the west and the Muslims in the east got their stuff from the Byzantines, it was thanks to them that they could all have access to Greek material."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\n>Greek material.\nWhoa, almost sounds like this stuff isn't specific to Christianity at all"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>59\nname one"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nNorway."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\nChristian apologetics is specific to Christianity, retard."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>45\nBut the guy debating the Muslim is Christian?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\nChristians might as well be atheists from the point of view of psychos like Daniel."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\nI don't think so. Christianity allows child marriage.\n\n>So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>116\nWhat makes you think this is a command for all Christians? This Moses talking to his troops in the context of a war against the Canaanites. You think Christians are commanded to kill boys?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nThis is God commanding his believers through Moses to kill male unbelievers and take their women and female children as spoils of war.\n\nChristians believe in God and recognize that Moses is one of his prophets, right?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>40\nHusbands were the ones expected to work and provide for the family, such a dynamic would be impractical and unrealistic if the husband were to be a boy."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\n>This is God commanding his believers through Moses\nlol no. It's just Moses."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nis it was an evil thing to do, then God would have rebuked Moses and Israel for it"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>118\n>>119\nAnd even if it were God, he is specifically addressing Israelite soldiers in a very specific context, this is not some command for all Christians at all times."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nMary was probably under 18 when she gave birth to Jesus, that's just how society was at the time. the only reason why modern society is against it is because of man-made morals"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>120\n>>122\nMoses was a false prophet?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>123\nRight, so of course you can acknowledge that this means that Muhammad was merely a man of his time, following the moral standards of his time, but now that we've advanced since the we can all leave him and his religion in the past where ir belongs and move forward."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">jesus didn't write anything down\n>his alleged disciples didn't write anything down\n>nobody who met him wrote anything down\n>nobody during his lifetime wrote anything down\n>no archeological evidence of his existence whatsoever\n>decades after he allegedly lived a jew says he saw a magic jew in the sky\n\nwow such robust historical evidence!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Neither did Socrates.\nWhat's amazin' is that the historical evidence for Socrates is much stronger than for Jesus. He was written about by Xenocrates and appeared in a play, while he was alive. The earliest evidence for Jesus are some letters by Paul, written 20 years after Jesus died."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad too"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is actually really bizarre and I don't deny he existed.\nWe have great records from the time about even the most obscure things, and yet not a word of Jesus the miracle preacher king of the Jews who created so much noise in Judaea."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHoly mother of ACKtheist coping"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are you so angry at God?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhy do you believe in a religion based on a jew hallucinating a magic jew in the sky?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Did Jesus exist? Christcucks get absolutely destroyed in debate.\nhttps://youtu.be/3WiZvE_1pUk [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMatthew, John, Peter, James, and Jude all knew Jesus very well. The latter two were apparently his biological brothers."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nAtheists will spend all day raging online about something they \"know\" is false. It's really pathetic, they don't even care what you believe, just so long as you don't believe in Christianity.\n\nLiterally any other belief is acceptable to them, just not the truth that contains an unchanging God whose Moral Law they refuse to follow. And that's what it always comes down to, just a bunch of scoffers and unrepentant sinners, probably porn addicts since we're on 4chan."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>The earliest evidence for Jesus are some letters by Paul, written 20 years after Jesus died.\nI think the Gospel of Mark is considered to be the oldest New Testament book."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThey aren't real people my dude."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\n>The caliphate appeared out of thin air\nThere is a difference between writing down the quran and it existing. Denying muhammad is denying the existence of the Rashidun caliphate."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahweh is a Jewish 'god'.\nJesus was a Jew.\nMary was a Jewess."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nMentions of Muhammad, Islam or Muslims don't appear for two centuries after Muhammad allegedly lived. Sorry but water is wet, the sky is blue and religions make shit up."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nHow could someone date a Bible? Wtf?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmbzKsqKQoI [Embed]"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>someone who wrote something has to have existed\n>otherwise they wouldnt have written it\n\nHow do we know it wasnt a forgery or someone fabricating a person to author something because they wished to remain anonymous?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown\nHow is pointing out your alleged eyewitness didn't exist moving the goalpost?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh look, more pissbaby atheist spam."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\nThe only thing going ack is your sky jew cult."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>9\nJames Brother\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=1416 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2669 [Embed]\nhttps://youtu.be/bC-Uj92Cpvg?t=2691 [Embed]"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>10\n>unchanging God whose Moral Law they refuse to follow\n\n>Romans 6:14\nfor you are not under law but under grace\n\n>Romans 10:4\nFor Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.\n\nChristians aren't under any law. You don't even understand your own religion you stupid Christcuck faggot. What you meant to say is, \"I want atheists to obey MY laws so I can control them and take their money.\" Too bad, Christianity is on its way out."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\nThe original mark has 666 verses, go calculate it yourself."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>2\n>The earliest evidence for Jesus are some letters by Paul, written 20 years after Jesus died.\n\nThat's wrong, because there's early creeds and traditions that date back to within weeks and months of the resurrection. Paul persecuted the early Christians, and his conversion was shortly after."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>there's early creeds and traditions that date back to within weeks and months of the resurrection.\nCan you give an example?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>lawless fag jew promoting sin and lawlessness\nmany such cases\n\njews were never God's chosen people"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nYou don't even quote the full verses, you fucking kike. Anyone can read Romans and know kikes like you will burn in the lake of fire for your hatred for God and His Laws."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>3\nCarbon-dated manuscripts of the Qur'an to his time, reports with actual chains of narration, and his literal best friends conquering the world not enough for you?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nWhat do you think of this based, right-wing church bro?\nhttps://youtu.be/58HMUTF74qA [Embed]"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nSorry none of those things are true. Chains of narration are literally trust me bro collected two centuries later from Persia. Why Persia? Don't know. Few bother asking obvious questions like that."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>10\n>>29\nFind me a Bible verse that literally says \"Moral Laws\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why have many societies become more homophobic over time? Russia is one example, the Philippines, Japan, and so on. Some countries went from total gay acceptance to being hardcore bigots over time.\n\nWhat causes this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI find it hard to believe tsarist Russia was more tolerant of homosexuals than the late Soviet Union."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a German says Russian werr fags\nThis is how you know it's bullshit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProgress"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nBecause it's not true"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>total gay acceptance\nwhere?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know. It's so hard to tell"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>adult diapers at 21\nno way this isn't a fetish"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nFaggots get turned on by the smell of shit no joke"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI know that you know that this isn't true, so why do you say it?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nsource?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why have many societies become more homophobic over time?\nThey learned what the Godless fag atheists actually do.\n\nMost gays adopt to rape their kids or pimp them out, it happens all the time but the jew media that pushed faggotry would never shed a light on that (similar to how they buried the Epstein story initially)."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReality checks aka confronting nature"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nleast deranged /his/ poster"}, {"id": 15, "content": "In anthropology we’ve noticed that homophobic cultures tend to be more aggressive and exist in regions with higher real or perceived scarcity\n\nThis puts pressure on a culture to adopt a perpetual warrior stance\n\nAs such, homosexual men are perceived as too effeminate and weak to participate in battle, making them a liability\n\nSuch men are usually either killed or allowed to “opt out” of manhood where they will live like women and have less rights\n\nAny gay sex that DOES happen is the reaffirmation of the dominant man’s power over the effeminate man\n\nThink of Prison or Afghanistan for example"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>In anthropology we've noticed"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYes?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nProve him wrong"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>>17\nYou're unironically retarded if you think prison homosexuality is a real thing"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nBut what about Sparta?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nProofs?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nProof is the fact it doesn't happen in Europe outside of Russia. It's something gay niggers in America do."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "i am genuinely curious about the kievan rus, where can i find some good literature about it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "based Dvtch chad"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCaucasians are just pale Middle Easterners whilst Germanic Europe does not really exist in isolation from the Mediterranean and vice versa."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nmediterraneans are just brown middle easterners instead"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>groomed by varg\nlmao"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThat anon is a Moroccan Muslim, fool."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nenough about spain"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nArgies aren't Spanish."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>another thread about nafris and sudacas larping as nordics and meds"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nspanish are moors"}, {"id": 11, "content": "you might have tought this is norway team but...."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nKek"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased nederlander"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\ndios mio"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHella based. But what’s even more based is to imagine a timeline where the Norse retained their culture and created a large Nordic empire. I wonder if the Rus would have expanded as much as they did and how its people and culture would have developed."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Islam after the death of Muhammed\n>Muhammeds bros continue the religion in his spirit\n>Christianity after the death of Jesus\n>Paul, a guy who didn't know Jesus, comes and takes over and adds new stuff to the religion"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat new stuff?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nRomans"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ignore Mohammed's will regarding ali"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>muh sky daddy is better than yours\nlol"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>just ignore the Christians before Paul, bro\n>just ignore the Christians who Paul persecuted bro\n\nPaul never taught anything \"new\". He literally received all of his ideas and teachings from the other Apostles and other early Christians. I know you wish Islam was true, but it's not."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>He literally received all of his ideas and teachings from the other Apostles\nI want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. [Galatians 1:11-12]\n\nDo you even read your own bible?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Islam after the death of Muhammed\nHis family killed"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>just ignore the Christians before Paul\nChristians before Paul adhered to Mosaic Law. Paul was an antinomian who was opposed by \"men from James\" and called Peter, an actual eyewitness of Christ, a hyprocite(Galatians 2). While Paul supposedly saw Jesus in a vision(believe me bro it totally happened!!!)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>The Muslim Skeptic"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo Christian before Anno 1700 complained about Muhammad's marriage to A'isha. Even John of Damascus and Aquinas. You disregard the laws of God and impose upon yourselves the laws of Man. Such are the Christians!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nfunny because Muslims doesnt adhere Mosaic law\nok, i will bite. Why do you guys can eat camel? It is not kosher. You cant also eat milk with meat. Where is your tallit?\n>>11\nit still doesnt make Muhammad the prefect example for mankind"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Why do you guys can\n>You cant also\n>the prefect"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Muslims doesnt adhere Mosaic law\nOur prophet explicitly gave us a new law, forbade and made permissible according to the will of God, which may or may not be similar to Mosaic Law.\n\nJesus on the other hand, said \"I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of lawlessness\", yet Jesus never provided any law, or ammended any of it, in fact, Jesus followed the Mosaic Law(he adhered to the sabbath and never ate swine).\n\nRemember the words of Christ: \"I have not come to do away with the Law, but to fulfil it.\" Christians have, thoroughly, disregarded Mosaic Law, imposed upon themselves the laws of those who occupy thier nations and in the eyes of God, are workers of lawlessness."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBukhari is basically Islamic Paul\n>guy who has no idea what he's talking about and never met the Prophet becomes the authority on the Prophet and all aspects of the religion"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>No Christian before Anno 1700 complained about Muhammad's marriage to A'isha\nDante had Muhammad being tortured to death in hell for being a pedophile in 1300.\n\nGranted, Muhammad is also getting tortured for being a heretic, but he's also getting tortured for being a pedophile."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Dante had Muhammad being tortured to death in hell for being a pedophile in 1300.\nMuhammad and Ali are punished in the Divine Comedy for being schismatics. It has nothing to do with pedophilia."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Al-Bukhari\nStudent of Ibn Hanbal, student of Ash-Shafi'i, student of Malik, student of Ja'far As-Sadiq. Travelled throughout the Muslim empire, meeting with narrators to verify the hadith. Never spoke from him own volition nor added or subtracted from the hadith.\n>Paul\nSelf proclaimed prophet and apostle. Opposed and opposed by James and Paul, eyewitnesses and successors of Christ in Jerusalem. Accused of lying and being a false apostle by the Galatians and Corinthians."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>for being schismatics\nAnd pedophiles."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n'Enough people said it so it's true!' is not a sound method of verification, except in Islam."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>he's also getting tortured for being a pedophile.\nNowhere is this written in that wishful and blasphemous fanfic you call literature."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nWhere in text does it say that? Give me the specific quote. I don't like having to defend Muslims on here (considering that they are among the worst posters on this board), but If I remember correctly, there is no pedophile ring in The Inferno. There are rings for lust and sodomy, and there is one for schismatics, which is where Muhammad and Ali are found."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\n>Our prophet explicitly gave us a new law\nChristians also say that\nActs 10:9-11:18"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\n>Enough people said it so it's true!' is not a sound method of verification, except in Islam.\nDo not speak if you are ignorant of a matter. If you hold so much skepticism for history, then deny Paul, deny the NT and the OT. Deny that your mother is your mother because \"Enough people said it so it's true!\""}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nlol I struck a nerve, didn't I? Basically all hadith are unverifiable, and you can even question the compilation of the Quran. It's annoying how so much of Islam is built off of just hearsay and probably pre-Islamic pagan tradition put into the mouth of the Prophet and the companions."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>Deny that your mother is your mother because \"Enough people said it so it's true!\"\nI don't think this is the reason people believe that their mother is their mother. How do you just jump to something like that?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\nWhat new stuff?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nI've heard this argument a hundred times already and I'm honestly sick of it.\n\nConditions for a hadith to be accepted:\n>Unbroken chain\n>No unreliable narrators\n>No historical errors\n>No conflict with the established Qur'an\n>Attested through multiple other chains of transmission\n\nConditions for reliable narrators:\n>good memory\n>known to be truthful\n>known to be practicing and god fearing\n>never lied about meeting people\n>never added to or substracted from hadith\n>never obfuscated the chain of transmission wilfully or unwillfully\n>consistently revised the hadith he's memorized\n>attentive to the details of the narration\n\nIf you've even read the most basic book of hadith, you'd know that it wasn't just \"hearsay\" and \"probably pre-Islamic pagan tradition\". Did I not say that you are ignorant of the matter?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nBruh there's hadith about drinking camel piss."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nLow iq post. May Allah guide the Christians to Islam!"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>>good memory\n>>known to be truthful\n>>known to be practicing and god fearing\n>>never lied about meeting people\n>>never added to or substracted from hadith\n>>never obfuscated the chain of transmission wilfully or unwillfully\n>>consistently revised the hadith he's memorized\n>>attentive to the details of the narration\n\n>These things were true of every narrator, you just have to trust us ,bro."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nIt's in al-Bukhari. The argument I am sick of hearing is anything that is seen as negative by westerners in the hadith is 'weak hadith brother!' but when european is out of earshot you will covet it as a strong, unbroken chain. Which really just means a long game of telephone, which even children know can't be trusted even between two different narrators. This is why Christians, who have verification problems of there own, just laugh at Muslim attempts to give them the call to Islam."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\nThat still doesn't refute the fact Paul persecuted Christians and he converted way before his letters and writings. So the evidence is much earlier."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nWhere is the evidence that Prophet Muhammad split the moon in two with his fingers? No corroborating evidence from any other people. It would of caused tsunamis around the world."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nSee\n>>34"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Islam after the death of Muhammed\n>immediate succession crisis and civil war\nWow it’s almost like it was a cult all along!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Depressive realism is the hypothesis developed by Lauren Alloy and Lyn Yvonne Abramson[1] that depressed individuals make more realistic inferences than non-depressed individuals. Although depressed individuals are thought to have a negative cognitive bias that results in recurrent, negative automatic thoughts, maladaptive behaviors, and dysfunctional world beliefs,[2][3][4] depressive realism argues not only that this negativity may reflect a more accurate appraisal of the world but also that non-depressed individuals' appraisals are positively biased.[1]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">it'll be fine\n>it'll work itself out\n>there's no need to worry about that"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Abramson\nIt's probably bullshit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThere is a fine line between justified worries and delusional neuroticism."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInteresting\nt. depression patient"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>there's no need to worry about that\nThis but unironically. Worrying is an utterly useless thing to do. Worrying about something has never and will never help.\n>>5\nYou’ve got a made up disease, you’re just a mark for the healthcare industry."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>a more accurate appraisal of the world\nNo such thing, only accurate appraisal of specific cases, all of which can't be divorced from subjective action and reaction. What is this hokey bullshit? Psychology was a mistake."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nIt's justified to worry about eating food when you terrorize me for eating food"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How were they similar? How were they different? Did the ottomans losing WW1 and the empire cause the Turkish westernization process to be different from the Japanese one in any notable ways?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLmafo did you just copy and paste a prompt from your history class?\n\nDo your own homework anon"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Ask history question on history board\n>Get told to do my homework"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI had this exact same prompt, almost word for word in a history class"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI speak very formally. On a similar note to you assuming I’m a lazy student, people have accused me of copying and pasting chat GPT responses. I’m not sure I’d pass the Turing test."}, {"id": 6, "content": "i dont know but he was a massive fag he licked to lick the shit out of my balls everyday"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nask chatgpt you faggot"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nif you write you pedantically that you actually mimic chatgpt, which is a trash essay writer, then you should really kill yourself"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Japan the whole ruling class went along with it.\nIn Turkey one man tried to drag a country in to the 20th century.\nJapan is a thriving hub of technology.\nTurkey is still a shithole."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeiji was a monarchist and he uphold the imperial system.\nMeanwhile Ataturk was a radical Jacobine."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would the world look like if Pompey had beat Caesar?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuch the same probably. The republic was dying and if it wasn’t Caesar and Augustus it would have been another Sulla, perhaps even Pompey himself to make himself king in all but name."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nCame here to post this. Even at the time Romans recognised that Pompey vs Caesar was merely a battle of ego and ambition, nothing more."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nPompey lacked the ambition and ability to actually transform the republic like Caesar or Octavian.\nBut yes eventually someone would have done something similar. Either that or we would see petty Roman states like Sertorius but successful in random parts of europe that the republic can't manage anymore"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When it comes to history before the 1700s-1800s, how can we decide what to trust? A lot of is from copies of old manuscripts that might be altered/lying. Ancient history is just a bunch of guys guessing."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Holy Bible"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>source from group A says x and y happened and B suck\n>source from group B says x and z happened and A suck\n>then x most likely happened and y and z might have happened\nit's that simple. also what makes you think people stopped being biased and unreliable in the 1700s?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhich one sucks though?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nPut together by a committee for political purposes and anonymously authored and full of ridiculous magic bullcrap. Not a reputable source."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\neuphoric"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhomever agrees with my biases is right and whomever disagrees is wrong. It’s that simple, retard."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYes."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou really can’t trust anything. You can trust lives of philosophers and monarchs as much as you can trust Herodotus that giant, human size ants dig up gold in the middle of Asia. Welcome to ancient history."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what can we believe 300 years ago?\n\nTry pre-Alexandria's burning."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll historical sources that alligned with my agendas and feelings are canon in my book"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did the Po river valley and Adriatic become more important or something?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually true but there is also\n>more protected adriatic sea, byzantine dominated into 1000 AD at least\n>hard to siege, surrounded by swamps\nAs for why not Rome the senate lost power, the big population was a potential threat, and too far from the northern frontiers. Several cities were tried for over 100 years until Ravenna became the default western capital"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Po river valley was arguably more important than the rest of the peninsula from the late republic onward, as it was highly populated and fertile. Cities like Aquileia and Mediolanum were as large and rich as Rome by the mid-late empire.\nRavenna however only became the capital for geographic reasons: it was highly defensible, already highly fortified (had long since been a main army and navy base), relatively close to Constantinople through the Adriatic, and far enough from the Alps not to be immediately vulnerable in case of invasion.\nAlso technically Rome was never replaced as the capital de jure. The imperial court merely chose to move to Mediolanum first, and Ravenna later on for practical reasons, making the two cities the western capitals de facto."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRavenna was :\n>highly defensible (swamps around a strong citadel)\n>controlled the estuary of the Po River, arguably the most fertile and profitable area of Northern Italy\n>important point of control on the Northern Adriatic Sea\n>close enough to Illyria and Epirus to communicate efficiently with either the Dalmatian Western Roman forces or the Eastern Romans if necessary\n>less populated than Rome (the constant risk of riots put a damper on Imperial proceedings)\n>richer than Rome (it was called \"The City of Mosaics\" for a reason, it was a booming industry in the Late Roman Empire)\nIt was a solid choice. It also had the probably unintended consequence of indirectly protecting the citizens and monuments of Rome from being sacked in case of a deposition or conquest, as it happened when Odoacer battled with Paulus and deposed Romulus Augustulus."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome was a shithole"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt didn’t. It was a forced residence by Stilicho. The Emperor Valentinian III and all his later successors with the exception of Julius Nepos lived in Rome and governed from there"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happened from the end of the Revolutionary War to Washington becoming President?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was on September 9, 1776 when the G-men's founding father\nBenjamin Franklin renamed the \"United Colonies,\" through\nRichard Henry Lee's resolution, to the \"United States.\"\n\nFranklin, who coined \"IN GOD WE TRUST\" in 1748, visioned\nDemocracy as \"Government's us;\" People saying \"G's us.\"\n\nMrs. Silence Dogood"}, {"id": 3, "content": "When did the American Revolution end? The American Revolution officially ended on September 3, 1783, with the signing of the Treaty of Paris. The Articles of Confederation were adopted by the Continental Congress on November 15, 1777. This document served as the United States' first constitution. It was in force from March 1, 1781, until 1789 when the present-day Constitution went into effect. When did Washington become President? On April 30, 1789, George Washington, standing on the balcony of Federal Hall on Wall Street in New York, took his oath of office as the first President of the United States."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nHere is Richard Henry Lee's famous ride in musical form.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5p5PvYGB4w [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nSimple. Johnny here is obnoxious and disliked.\n\nThat's true.."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe states all printed their own money that quickly became worthless, France got pissed, and Shays’s Rebellion happened"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>On April 30, 1789\n>>4\n>Dick Lee's Ride"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>7\nGeorge called him Dick"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do thridies bring up America's hegemonic power as something thing that American's should be ashamed of?\n>Uh America is actually an empire\n>Uh all of America's allies are just vassal states\n>You have too many military bases\nLike why would I feel bad that my country is a superpower that's about to project it's influence across the globe. It's like insulting a guy by claiming his dick is too big."}, {"id": 2, "content": "America is a gay satrapy of Israel"}, {"id": 3, "content": "they would prefer a return to a multipolar world order where their local hegemonic state can simply dominate them instead, or if they live in one of those aspiring regional powers so their government can shake off even the barest amount of lip service they pay to human rights to keep access to global capital markets and in turn crackdown on the average thirdie as much as they desire"}, {"id": 4, "content": "they would prefer a return to a multipolar world order where their local hegemonic state can simply dominate them instead, or if they live in one of those aspiring regional powers so their government can shake off even the barest amount of lip service they pay to human rights to keep access to global capital markets and in turn crackdown on the average thirdie as much as they desire and slide into oligarchic illiberal shitholes that produce worse quality of life results for their populations"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would it hypothetically take for Christians in the modern west to start taking their religion as seriously as Mohammedans do?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VfhBR6E08 [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Love your enemies, means Love satan.\nTruly love satan, just like you love your mom.\nSee what happens."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I can't love satan all the time but I will pay homage to him intermittently"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Nice try, but Jesus says to hate your family.\nCheckmated yet again, Satan."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nxD fokn lol xD"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you're saying Satan will suck my dick to help me study the way mom does?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthanks :))"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs a kid, I prayed that Satan would find it in himself to humble himself before God and make it up with him. Does that count?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why was there no black African civilization with lasting legacy no great achievements in art, no great works of literature or great epics comparable to The Illiad or The Odyssey, no great heroes or historical figures of note, no cities not counting a few huts surrounded by mud walls cities what of worth has the negro ever done?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is asap rocky more relevant than homer"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Because niggers are stupid"}, {"id": 4, "content": "who tought making that collage was a good idea kek, they look literally nothing alike\n\nlack of self conciousness anatolian Farming equipment has my god"}, {"id": 5, "content": "There is literally a black great hero in the Iliad cycle you dumb fucking retard."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nβιγβλαχκοκκος"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nSo youz sayin we wuz hoplites an shiet??"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nMemnon the Ethiopian"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nwe wuz greeks n shiet"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>>6\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aethiopia"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNot a LARPagan, not white, not saying I have any links to Ancient Greece. Try again."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know what to tell you bro. Africa is an ancient continent with civilizations that date back thousands of years. There was trade between Antiquity and ancient Africa even back in the times of Carthage. One of Augustus' lesser known achievements was brokering a peace with the Nubians that lasted for three centuries."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho asks questions structured like this in real life? It's self-serving and immensly mastorbatory."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npurely zoogeographic factors, mean rivers zebras and flies all conspirated with whitey to keep the black man down"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThe OP said black and there are no black civilizations."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nOP didn't even define \"black\" on top of using \"black African\" itself a dubious phrase."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Why was there no black African civilization\nEveryone knows what he meant."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>define black\nNo definition is needed. Everyone in the world would know what he meant by that nearly instantly. Those that would say they didn’t are just grasping for straws, like yourself"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>>17\n>Everyone in the world would know what he meant by that nearly instantly\nNah people constancy shift who isn't or is black and/or African."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nStart asking people you know if Samuel L Jackson is black. If you’re right, a sizable portion will ask you to “define black” or say they are unsure. It’s not rocket science, retard."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nAnd OP can easily shift the goalposts non-stop and people have constantly done that in the past. It's not like OP is trying to start a genuine thread since he basically is asking us to do his homework for him."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nWhy is it so hard to name a black civilization with a written language, a state and people living in cities?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’ve made this thread before."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nBecause people go like \"nuh uh that's not a city\" or \"it's not a native script it doesn't count!\"."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>b-but he’s gonna move the hecking goalposts\nAre you literally 8 years old? Saying that nobody knows what a black person is is monumentally retarded. Your fears that some anonymous person might commit le hecking logical fallacy doesn’t make it any less retarded."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nbecause this exact thread has happened over and over again."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>but people keep saying things I don’t like!!\nYou are a child. Keep making yourself look like a retard if you want, but don’t expect anyone to give you a pass because those gosh darned cyberbullies are moving the goalposts and hurting your feelings."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nOP can just do the basic research instead of being too lazy to search up and demanding us that we \"prove him wrong\" rather than jsut googling what Ethiopia or the Epic of Sundiata is."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\n>>20\n>>25\n\nAre Ethiopians black?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI've heard gasire's lute is pretty good as far as epics go."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nYamnigger Steppeoid cock riders with your retarded fantasies will NEVER be an ancient Mediterranean people. Back to /int/ we wuzzing loser."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the preference for tits over ass what separates humans from monkeys?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nseparates MOMMYBVLLS from swarthoid monkey \"people\"\n>WHG\n>ANE\nmade figures of big booba women\n>EEF\nfigures of big bunda"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">go to history board\n>0 threads about history on the front page\nCan we give religion its own fucking board already? This board has been indistinguishable from early 2010’s YouTube for months now."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBan all of the following:\n>religion\n>race/ haplogroups\n>Hitler\n>Post-WWII anything\n>were the Greeks gay or not?\n\nThe last one is something I have noticed is getting an uptick in threads recently and it is as annoying as the other topics."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'd agree with all of these desu. The \"and humanities\" has been such a shit loophole that's basically lead to this boards ruination. But even if we did all those things, I still suspect this board would be /pol/ with dates and discussion wouldn't be focused on any sort of history but the same shit we see today in different periods. It's going to go\n>OP makes thread about some guy not in Europe\n>Clowns will filter in to say he sucked and his race are subhumans"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nUsing flags with ID will fix /his/"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAll that will do is make it /int/ 2.0. I agree with OP religion needs it’s own containment board so low IQ mongoloids who don’t actually care about history fuck off"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>Post-WWII anything\nWhy? You want Vietnam, Korea, China, Japan, Ba'athism, cold war, etc threads to die?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYes, I am way too tired of those topics. North Korea and Baathism are just marginal versions of Hitler anyways except for third worlders."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMay a thousand haplogroup threads curse your board."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAnything which has documentaries about it frequently on the History channel or its several knock off stations like AHC, I do not care for."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nSearch the catalogue for the topics you just brought up. Combined, there are less than 100 replies to such threads, with well over half of them being in a single thread, which is just a WWII thread. You’re afraid of them dying? They’re already dead."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThose topics suck anyways."}, {"id": 12, "content": "Reminder the overwhelming majority of the board want a separate religion board."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSorry, all the server space is taken up with vtubers, origami, and pro wrestling."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown →\nOnly good thread on this entire board."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>origami has a board but not religion or philosophy\nOut of all the subjects the mods can make a board for why did they give origami its own board? There is a thread up on /po/ that was made in 2016."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nshut up. every time someone mentions /po/ a bunch of tourists go there marvelling at how slow the board is and end up bumping off some ancient thread."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nMentions what? >>>/po/?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>2\n>religion\nyes\n>race / haplogroups\nyes"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>>15\n>>16\n>>17\nhttps://4stats.io/\nthe only board with a lower rate of posts (that everyone can post on) is >>>/w/.\nalso I'm all for some gay religion/philosophy board (/rg/? /rel/? /phil/?) as long as I can tell anyone making a thread about religion on /x/ to fuck off and die."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion & Spirituality board would be kino.\n\nThey board boards for gay niche anime and shit no one cares about but not religion wtf"}, {"id": 21, "content": "I said it before and I'll say it again: I fully support a religion board as long as fedora-tipper shitposts are banned"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\n>overwhelming majority\n>49 votes\nWew"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>5\n/his/ is already /int/ 2.0 with some religious shitposting sprinkled in, at least with flags it would clear out the mentally-ill diasporoids"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">when you realize that rivers always go from the land into the ocean, never the other way around\n>rivers are literally just rainwater that congregates into streams\n>these streams then in turn feed bigger streams, which turn into large rivers, which all end up in the ocean eventually\n>this completely seemingly random system of oceanwater turning to clouds, who rain over land, but especially mountains, form into streams and go back to the ocean defines borders, the location of cities, the survival of human civilizations\n>in another theoretical fantasy world with an acid ocean, humans would have to stay far away from the rain and the acid rivers and instead get all of their water from underground\n>there might be even competing systems of acid rivers and water rivers\n\nIt's honestly amazing to me that rivers have roughly stayed the same for thousands of years. Yes, I know they change, but Egypt still exists and it's completely dependent on a river the Ethiopians piss and shit in."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">egypt still exists\nwhat are all those ruins then"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nEgypt"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDefine stay the same. Rivers have always stayed river yes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">actual third graders are now posting on /his/\nIt's over"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are literally, not figuratively, retarded."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt's only the beginning"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nHe's a kraut named Spencer who left /gsg/ for /tv/"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAre we skitzo refugee central?\nI am starting to find the namefags tolerable upon contact with the other faggots here."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How much credence can be given to the hypothesis that Celtic languages originated in the Iberian peninsula?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsuch languages did not \"originate\" in the way language normally does.\nFor example, modern American language \"originated\" in the South, yet it was indistinguishable from language spoken outside of the South.\nIt sort of arose all at once with a regional dialect governing things going forward, no one 'began' speaking a different language in the post beaker world, they spoke a form of late PIE and adopted more regionalized dialects of that same language until one regional dialect became more common than the others. not a different tongue."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nzero"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Literally impossible. Celtic originated in an Alpine Italian-like population before subduing Western Europe."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nso the original celts were wops?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYep. The proto-Celtic samples cluster with Italians. The people they ruled over were more northern-shifted you know them as the Gauls, Germanics, Britons, Gaels, but they weren't Celtic genetically."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\ndid germs bleach alpines during the migration period or was it at an earlier/later point?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nUnknown. Swiss and Austrian samples are few."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>>6\n>>8\nIt was literally vice versa, hijra. Begone."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThe alpine population are just rapebabies. Proto-celtic originated arround czechia with Tumulus or even unetice, then La tene spread via cultural diffusion similar to writing"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nThe alpine celts are just inbreed mountain rapebabies similar to the basques having R1b while being non-IE. The original celts like those of halberstadt are very different, la tene is just a late material subset. Like believeing poles are the original slavs because you know them better"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nThis is reductive to the point of uselessness. The division of language along a spectrum of mutual intelligibility does not nullify the importance of the organization of those languages as distinct entities. Nigger."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThis\nDistance to: DEU_Halberstadt_LBA\n0.02842180 Norwegian\n0.02846879 Danish\n0.03004319 Dutch\n0.03177357 Shetlandic\n0.03186263 Welsh\n0.03201869 Irish\n0.03257205 Swedish\n0.03274382 German_Hamburg\n0.03299942 Scottish\n0.03337866 Icelandic\n0.03451055 French_Brittany\n0.03454495 English\n0.03461948 German\n0.03567057 Afrikaner\n0.03705031 English_Cornwall\n\n>A genetic study published in Nature in March 2015 examined the remains of an Urnfield male buried in Halberstadt, Germany ca 1100-1000 BC.[94][95] He was found to be a carrier of the paternal haplogroup R1a1a1b1a2 and the maternal haplogroup H23.[94]\n\nThe celts we got testing on are just underclass slaves for the actual R1b conquering elite."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nhello ilya. what did that guy say that was wrong? doesnt your graph prove they were wops?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nRight, exactly like he said. And where did that spectrum of mutual intelligibility suddenly break? At the southwest (Celts in central Europe), the north (Germanics in southern Scandinavia) and the east (what would go on to become the Balto-Slavs). Thus, the Celtic urheimat would be somewhere in Central Europe, not Iberia."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nThis proves Celts were Southern European genetically. Germanics shifted the region northward.\n\n>>11\nAlpine Celts were the first Celts."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nYou clicked predecessor on wikipedia too many times and are not equipped to discuss anything within the disciplines of genetics or archaeology."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Alpine Celts were the first Celts.\nThe filt celts were likely either the tumulus or urnfield culture, alpine celts/Hallstat are just a theorized subset of celtic material culture"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nfor a fact we know that the transformation from Tumulus to Urnfield was through cultural diffusion and very staged/gradual, regarding TMRCA of Proto-italoceltic liniguistically it must have preceded the temporal span of Hallstat by at lleast 800-1000 years."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nThose aren't Celts. The guy you posted is from a completely different area several centuries after the Hallstat proto-Celts formed."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nhe is an urnfield individual, hallstat is just a material subset of urnfield and urnfield a material transition from tumulus"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>1100-1000 BC\nbtw not at all, hallstat is estimated to have formed arround 1000 BC."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nYou are a retard.\n\n>>22\nHallstat is estimated to have formed in 1300 BC. That random loser is from 1000 BC in an area that was never Celtic."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\n>>16\nThey were spics as Romans and were the OG Celts but they had conquered nobody except each other in Europe, they were the first wave of Beaker-derived people in Western Europe, except bongs in Britain who got another root. About their \"conquest\", we have England to which they contributed 40% auDNA but only 15% Y-DNA as a good example, and something similar was in Germany."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>we have England to which they contributed 40% auDNA\nThose are Gauls who don't cluster with proto-Celts."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>Hallstat is estimated to have formed in 1300 BC.\nHallstat periodization is in the oldest chance 1200 BC. More likely 1000 BC.\nThe guy is from 1100 BC, from a urnfield site.\n\nSorry breh."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nIt's using the Occitanie ones that differ from the OG ones only by a higher WHG admixture. If we use the OG ones, it's 25%:\nTarget: English\nDistance: 1.0922% / 0.01092248\n75.8 England_Saxon\n24.2 AUT_IA_La_Tene"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>>25\nMy bad, it were the ones from Chamagne, I fucking hate to model bongs. The point is still the same, there's more autosomal than paternal contribution so firmly not a conquest.\nTarget: FRA_Champagne_IA2\nDistance: 3.9804% / 0.03980376\n43.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n41.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n15.6 WHG"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>Gauls who don't cluster with proto-Celts\nAnd it's not true either. Only the most northern ones are different, all others are basically the same, that's exactly what's firmly proving the Celts were spics as that type was the major in every place where Celts used to live."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nthe first three samples are from the roman period.\nthe 4th sample is from the early bronze age, So to speak, the bell beaker period\nthe 5th onwards do not cluster with them"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>from the\nAnd?\n>do not cluster\nIt seems the one difference differing Gauls from the OG type is 5% higher WHG admixture that drifts them away quite due to its own drift."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\ndumb retard you posted a Early bronze age sample that precedes the celts for like 1 millenium and half, if anything seems like french didn't changed a bit with celtification"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>didn't changed a bit with \"\"celtification\"\"\nThat's exactly what I said and proved, you imbecile. Don't bother me anymore."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is it about Mexican culture that makes them so prone to violence?\nIs it their Aztec heritage?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">jalisco white\n>all surrounding areas deep red\nquillobrothers we cannot stop winning"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not just Mexicans it's all natives\nPine Ridge reservation in SD had higher murder rates than Detroit at one point\nHonduras El Salvador Guatemala all the most violent countries in the world\nIn Canada the most dangerous city is Winnipeg because all the chugs there can't stop murdering\nColumbus should've finished the job desu"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe southern Mayan states are the most peaceful in the country, actually.\n>>1 (OP)\nNot a very stable country overall. Also, the gateway to most drugs the amerifags consume."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nProbably because they have no money and are 70 IQ and are too stupid and poor to commit crimes\n\nAlso aren't all the communist guerillas from there?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nEZLN is in chiapas, the rest of guerrillas are in oaxaca guerrero and michoacan. none in the yucatna"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically the amerimutts are keeping them down, literally. Mexico pre-war on drugs was a nice place to visit. The mutts destroyed the Medellin Cartel (hooray, we did it guyz no more drugs) which made the Mexican Cartels grow exponentially. Kind of what the retarded mutts did to the USSR and just made China an even bigger threat. Mexico will not flourish until either the US collapses and takes all of its junkies with it. Or Mexico legalizes drugs which will never happen because (((those))) with all of the power in the US will never allow it"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>MUH INJUNS COMMIT MORE CRIME\n>huh, they don't? IT'S BECAUSE THEYRE TOO STUPID!!!!\nYou're dumb and I shall engage no further with you."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWhy does the average Mexican have an IQ of 85?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "I literally live in Florida and let me tell you something; they are far and away worse than niggers, they are less reasonable, more self-serving, they are NO more intelligent I can promise you that. They will often (OFTEN as in nightly) blast music at levels that any black person would rarely do and will have absolutely no regard for those around them and are beyond reasoning with. They appear to a lot of people who have not lived near to them for any lengthy amount of time, as sort of moderately civil, especially in a cordial setting but they are not; say they are your coworkers, they will confer with each other in a language you don't understand just to get your job taken from you or some such inconvenience. They are NOT ignorant of the notion that they are invading this country, they operate absolutely under this premise, much like muslims in Europe. The meso-american is an adversary of the same severity as the muslim in current year, the only problem is other parts of the world won't realize it until the problem is no longer contained within the western hemisphere."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSpics have this weird culture where if you're not shell shocked from some unassuming spic pop music being blasted at jet airplane decibel levels you're not really living. It's no wonder they don't understand anything you say because they're deaf"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>I literally live in Florida and let me tell you something; they are far and away worse than niggers\nI lived in Phoenix for 5 years and I fully agree with this."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIt's insane isn't it? You wouldn't know it until you lived around them, really an awful fucking race."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nNot enough dead white wymin n'sheid.\n>>10\nThey're rather dumb I'll give you that.\n>>5\nLow-IQ people are more likely to become criminals, it's just that Mayans aren't all that violent which is kind of ironic considering some of their religious beliefs.\n>are too stupid and poor to commit crimes\nActual cope.No (big) mammal is too stupid for violence and or a few acts of low cunning.\n>Also aren't all the communist guerillas from there?\n>All\nOnly the successful (and since the 90s, it's a legitimate political organization) one. Most of the failoids are from central Mexico.\nSinaloa for example, the most genetically European state, is the literal nexus of violence in the country.\n>>6\nAre you counting auto-defensas as guerillas?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nDon't forget they shamelessly leave trash everywhere."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nMind you there's no such a thing as white state in Mexico.\nThere are white areas up in the country if you look hard enough.\nVery interesting all the phenotypes you can see. More than a few very brown people with blue, grey or green eyes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nThat is something about this country I hate. They're so fucking dirty holy shit walk up the wrong street and you'd think you just entered an Indian slum."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nA lot of them also act like retarded villagers who just got dropped into a semi-morning city."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nModern*"}, {"id": 20, "content": "The entire history of Mexico is one gigantic joke\n>We empire!\n>Just kidding we're a Republic!\n>Actually no we're really just a de-facto Monarchy!\n>Oh shit now we're in heavy debt and cannot police our northern territories and now crime is rampant and they want independence from Mexico!\n>Actually wait, its actually a war with America! Fuck you America!\n>Oh shit America kicked our asses and occupied our capital!\n>oh shit Revolution!\n>We actually a Republic now for real this time!\n>Now we're incapable of fighting any wars due to a century of infighting and monarchy sucking the military dry!\n>Also out politics are dominated by the revolutionary party for the next century!\n>Oh yeah and that one party is corrupt and in bed with cartels!\n>Oh shit now everyone wants to leave and go to the USA instead!\n>America now wants us to sign NAFTA\n>Its heavily in Americas favor but we're desperate so we sign it anyways\n>Thank you based America! Now we generic middling power!\nMexico was fucked from the very beginning"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nNot if they weren't so desperate on holding territories they were not equipped to govern nor develop, and not if they didn't have a pro-mestizo bend only 50 years after independence."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThey were a de-facto monarchy for most of the 19th century, they didn't stand a chance"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nI wouldn't call dictatorships a monarchy."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nUnless you recognize his majesty king hitler the First."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nI was reluctant to outright call it a dictatorship because it at least pretended to be a republic, but you're mostly right"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nYou're talking about the viceroyalty period or what? it's a blind spot of history for me,"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\n>No (big) mammal is too stupid for violence and or a few acts of low cunning.\nBut there are many species that hesitate to act violent. North American black bears can reach 300lbs but prefer to snort, click their teeth, or bluff charge before actually attacking. Elephants and gorillas are potentially very dangerous but don't kill for fun or out of bloodlust. AFAIK there have never been any recorded unprovoked attacks by gorillas against humans in the wild."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nThat's dumb.\nAlso, that's the 20th century."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nI'm referring to the Porfiriato. Basically Mexico had a \"president\" but that president also happened to not have any term limits, not did they have any real method of succession"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nYeah, that's my point. There is no such thing as \"too dumb for crime\" Mayans are just not disposed to violence as much as others might be."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>13\nYup. I uses to think racism was stupid but lived in a white majority area. Now moved around all over and let me tell you. Everybody fucking blows donkey dick compared to fellow whites. Why are they so stupid and violent?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nNigger that wasn't most of the 19th century.\n>president also happened to not have any term limits\nWhich is ironic because he literally fought a civil war or two for the right of no reelection."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>14\nwhat are some of these southern mayan states"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nThe yucatan (quintana roo, yucatan, campeche) chiapas, Oaxaca.\nWhy?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nAnd Tabasco too.\nWell, they're not only Mayans, I just call them Mayans because there were Mayans there and its easier than some alternative terms."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nBecause the earth is an unkind and terrible place and whites enjoyed some centuries of halcyon days which formed a culture apart from that. Until now - it’s going to be a miracle if that culture survives the next 200 years."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\noaxaca isn't mayan and isn't related to the others. theyre completely different aside from having le indios"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nSome of them speak Uto-aztecan languages for example, as far down as Nicaragua. Others are oto-manageans. And Mayans themselves. Also the mixe and the Zoque."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\nmexican american- i wanna move to a place with alot of indigenous women because they're hot"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nYes, I acknowledge that in my next post.\nJust using it as a shorthand term."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>20\nNot really. Hwy not divide the country into the southern and northern half. Let each side be republic and sign free trade with the world. Also, nobody is better at fucking mexicans than mexicans. Their own government fucks them. Robs them. Is in bed with cartels. That's mexicans doing that shit to other mexicans. Has nothing to do with anybody else messing them up. They are more than capable of fucking themselves more than anybody else."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nWeird taste in women you have Juanito, my chicanx friend."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>21\nYup. The real mexico. Is the central part. The northern part is more like Texas and doesn't like Mexico city. The south is native and is more like guatamala. They should be seperate. The central part is the REAL mexico. They should be able to handle that."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>25\nWell it's complicated. A dictator is power held by 1 person. The russian empire was a dictator. Syria is too. Saudi arabia too. Mexico ufner the PRI wasn't really a dictatorship. Bassically they co-opted every bussiness and union and religion and anybody that was strong or had some wealth. They then worked together to pass laws and govern. It worked well for a while. But starting the 80s it got bad. They started robbing the country blind bc there's no seperation of powers. The other poltiicans wouldn't hold you accountable bc they were your friends. It's why power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>27\nHumans are suppossed to be pro social. Sure there are degenerates like sociopaths and abused poeple who lash out. But it's not normal and that's what allows huge amounts of humans to live near each other. Problem is power. Having power puts you above everyone else. You can be an asshole and your neighbor won't punch you in the face or lynch you. That power is what fucks human society and makes humans violent bc they lash out."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>29\nSo why didn't different parts of mexico just secede and get away from that? Why did they fight a revolution when they easily could have just divided up with each man having his own territory."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nA miracle and many strongmen. Some its too far from god and too close to the U.S but god seems to like it enough to keep it from collapsing."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>30\nMost Indians I've met are nice and calm and soft spoken."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\njust went down a rabbit-hole learning about the caste war- omw to chan santo cruz to pay respects B)"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nSame, they're rather nice. The violent pseudo niggers are more likely centroids or northerners. A very interesting country, Mexico."}, {"id": 51, "content": "watching /his/ discuss Mexico makes me wonder if anything posted here is true or just a bunch of ignorant edgy teenagers talking about shit they dont know anything about"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nLive near mexicans or other central americans, you won't have doubts."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\ncase in point"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nEither you're brown yourself or you have never lived around them. Which is it?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>9\nNot an argument, /pol/tranny"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits drugs\nAlmost all crime is linked to drugs\nAnyone from any race would go crazy on drugs\nDrugs also make a lot of money so they fund crime\nJust go look Thug TV channels, every gangbanger interview does a job for an organization that ultimately sells drugs, and they consume their own product"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>9\nIQ isnt correlated with violence or lack of it, see bunnies and downies."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nBut it very much is... It isn't evidence to the contrary that some disabilities result in high openness traits alongside low IQ."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhite admixture"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Europeans are literally the most violent people to exist with millennia of raping murdering and degeneracy\n>OMG there's people who kill each other in Mexico, what is it about them?\nWhiteoid \"\"\"\"logic\"\"\"\"\""}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nThat's definitely the reason, just look at norway. Agree 100%"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>9\n>/Pol/chud gets provided a response with nuance and not just some retarded binary answer\n>M-m-muh IQ\nIf IQ mattered so much why are high IQ tards like you social rejects living in their mothers basement, wouldn't they use their IQ to not be literal orcs?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nWhites only kill evil people that need killing. Murder rates in ethnically homogenous White countries are the lowest on the planet."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>32\nPower corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>36\nBrah what? Europe was a warzone. Tribe vs tribe. Christians vs pagans. Empire vs empires. There was tons of organzied violence. But seldom person vs person. Interpersonal crime was low. But organzied state crime was alway there and vicious."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>47\n1. God doesn't exist.\n2. What does being close to america hurt them? If anything being able to trade with Americans should help. Much better to be close to America than China or Russia. Just the millions of American tourism makes them billions.\n3. Strongman? That's no way to run a country."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nNot true. Whites kill other whites by the tens of millions in wars that only involve other whites. It isnt ancient history either, its happening right now in Ukraine"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nAll the wars with major death tolls are against foreign invaders. European wars were just a civilized bit of banter with very little death. They are just good at recording history unlike other parts of the world.\n\nSee deaths in China, the only other region that actually bothered to write things down."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\n>Interpersonal crime was low.\nIn what era?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nJews were not white."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>54\nnot very smart are you?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Declare war on Prussia for literally no reason\n>Get bumfucked strategically with minimal human losses\n>Lose a small amount of land to Germany afterwards\n>Become all pissant about it until WWI\nUnironically what tf was France's problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ninvading your neighbours and annexing their land is only ok if they do it"}, {"id": 3, "content": "The revanchist spirit of France following the Franco-Prussian war is overstated and largely a fabrication. Sure, there was a sense of embarrassment and anger at Germany for usurping France’s war on the continent but there was little calls for war and revenge. This sentiment was mainly prevalent in things like operas. By 1914, it was accepted that Alsace-Lorraine was German. After all, barring the egregious annexation of Metz, much of Alsace-Lorraine spoke a dialect of German despite being spiritually French.\n\nThe interwar period was not marked by French aggression and belligerence. No other power had desires to expand and disrupt the peace in Europe, not even Russia and it’s fascination with Constantinople. But Germany repeatedly and without provocation attempted to stir up trouble. During the Moroccan crisis, entirely started by Germany by the way, Germany almost began an invasion with the sole justification of establishing hegemony over France. Despite attempts at revisionism Germany was definitely the bad guy in WW1.\n\nRevanchism and the desire for Alsace-Lorraine only rose to prominence during the war, where the French public and intellectuals attempted to justify the awful casualties France suffered. You have to remember that France was the country of liberalism and progressivism, of art and culture, and this war scarred them irrevocably compared to the militarist Prussians. Germany in 1914 had something like 25 million more people than France, and in 1939 over double. France was in no way the equal of Germany. The war permanently screwed French demographics and started the mass immigration of other peoples into France, albeit at this time European.\n\nWere it not for Prussia peace in Europe could of lasted into perpetuity. They were the ones with the problem—in fact they were so very much the problem that they were wiped from the map entirely."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nOK fair"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot to mention that land was stolen by Louis XIV."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nEngland and France attempted to keep Germany from building a strong navy and trade fleet. While their intentions weren't on conquering Germany you will have difficulty in denying that theirs was to keep Germany a second rate power. This proved very difficult as you can see even today. It is a shame that it is so difficult for the French in particular to accept their lot and change their ways."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt is not unreasonable for Britain and France to oppose Germany constructing deep draught battle ships seemingly specifically built to destroy the British High Seas Fleet. As aforementioned, one of the reasons why the Moroccan Crisis didn’t escalate was due to the quick mobilisation of the Royal Navy and vulnerability of German maritime trade in the Baltic. Germany pissed their pants and stood down, and dedicated the next decade to building a fleet specifically to destroy the British Navy.\n\nThis idea that Germany was a second-rate power is laughable. I like how you tacitly admit that much of German foreign policy was dominated with establishing hegemony over Europe. At a moments notice Germany could of steamrolled France, even with the aid of the British. Germany was so belligerent that they brought France and Britain, who were mortal enemies for half a millennia, together. This is even despite attempts by the British to establish an Anglo-German alliance. It was ultimately Germany’s hubris that caused its downfall."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>stolen"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>The revanchist spirit of France following the Franco-Prussian war is overstated and largely a fabrication.\nSomewhat an overstatement, but certainly not a fabrication. The entire nation wasn't revanchist as is sometimes claimed, but a decent chunk of them were, and some diehard revanchists were even in the halls of government, like Delcasse or Poincare, with the latter having a crucial role in the July Crisis.\n>The interwar period was not marked by French aggression and belligerence.\nExcept in Morocco, a country whose sovereignty was guaranteed by the Congress of Berlin. And they also supported some of Russias endeavours.\n>>No other power had desires to expand and disrupt the peace in Europe, not even Russia\nBlatantly false. In the Bosnian Crisis of 1908 and the Albanian Crisis of 1912-13 Russia almost went to war on behalf of Serbia, much like they would in 1914, and in the second one they had the full backing of the French, again much like in 1914.\n>During the Moroccan crisis, entirely started by Germany by the way\nYeah because the French broke the treaties it had made with Germany regarding Morocco without offering Germany any compensation.\n>Germany almost began an invasion with the sole justification of establishing hegemony over France\nNow you're just making shit up.\n>muh prussian militarism\nThat actually is a fabrication, mostly."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Soon all the WWII vets will be dead.. let’s share some documentaries or footage with veteran interviews\n\nhttps://youtu.be/wSnm2fZhnKA [Embed]\n\nVideo related is essential viewing. Any other documentaries that has interviews from both sides?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Anderson\n101"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is pic related proof that women's suffrage was a mistake?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>women's suffrage\nthe mistake was made way back when women were granted citizen status"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Literally just fat lonely women fantasizing about using men"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts proof that Femcels exist.\n>being affected by femcel opinions.\nLmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nevery woman not in a committed relationship over 30 is a femcel"}, {"id": 6, "content": "i listened to a few episodes of this out of curiosity. turns out the black british one got bypass surgery because she was like 400 pounds.\nafter that i felt nothing but pity for all of them. they're old, gross, and unwanted. let them have their podcast"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>women incels: have a podcast\n>male incels: become trannies and start raping women\n\nOne is way worse than the other"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nReddit is mostly made up garbage. Like 99% of the site is fake posts."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there much genetic difference between the peoples of Central Asia? Or are they exactly the same but with different languages?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are some white people and there are also brown people"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i reckon steppe people are like 50% siberian"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nwhy do even Muslims care about skin color? Is there a teaching of their religion about skin color?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nthis, but replace the muslim with a european"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nlooks like harry potters actor"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "MODS, wtf is THIS? WHY WAS I BANNED DID I DO?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust an excuse. In reality you were banned for being trans."}, {"id": 3, "content": "What do you mean the jannies are universally trannies?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "just check 4chan.org/banned idiot"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Egypt is Mediterranean\nLol."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBut i didn't do anything that other people would have been banned for. Mine was tame by comparison."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nmods aren't consistent. I've been banned for racism when I was mocking someone else for being racist."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nwhoever you were arguing with got butthurt and reported you, simple as that\nbut do show us what you posted"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>mods are thin-skinned inconsistent twats\nYou don’t say. In fact I’ll probably get banned for a day just for saying this."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI made a theard questioning Chinese iq statistics. I mostly made it as bait lol."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nlol yeah def butthurt chink reporting"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey bro looks like you have a Gmail and voicemail amongst others better check it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In reality, the central Asian Turks who invaded Anatolia were a very small minority of the total population thereof. Absolutely no more than 10% at the max. The current \"Turkish\" population are not turkic, they are anatolian greeks who adopted turkish language and culture. Turks are not turks, they are greeks. Turkish national identity is a lie. It's a mass delusion, like how the irish have adopted the religion and language of their conquerors, except even more so because they've convinced themselves that they are their own conquerors.\n\nWhen greeks killed turks or turks killed greeks, it was really greeks (muslim) killing greeks (christian).\nThis is the absolute redpill on the \"turkish\" nation, which should be renamed to Anatolia, or better yet, join with Greece to form a greater greek state."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the average leader of your local congregation/temple/cult/druidcircle/etc. like?\n\nCatholic:\n>obsessed with history, either a wehraboo or romaboo or weeaboo or qingaboo etc\n>autistic as all get out when you know them on a personal level, but masks as a totally normal Jim Carey priest to interact with the average layperson\n>obsessed with languages, only speaks \"two\" if you count latin\n>wants to be a tradcat, but typically holds back on account of lib congregation or being too green (in the sense of new)\n>has a list of alcoholic drinks they love longer than the papal succession\n>has that air about them that doesn't really encourage trying to get to know them\n\nIndependent baptist:\n>From Ohio\n>Went to the same theological seminary everyone else went to\n>related to some other pastor you know or attended the same church\n>has a job that makes a killing (if not retired) and demands good ol fashion'd people skills\n\nI'll admit I thought I had more but brain hurting. But surely there is an archetype or two for who becomes a religious leader."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The most perfected ideology crafted. Adolf Hitler was truly sent by providence. He tapped into other worldly powers and manifested it here on earth. What we got to witness was merely six years until the international Jews decided to trap him and his utopia into war. They knew what was coming and they had to put an end to it at its infant stages.\n\nhttps://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=5_vyHaDVUx0"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The most perfected ideology crafted\nin what way"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIn this way\nhttps://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=Rtpn5QYP5Ig"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf his ideology was so great, why did he lose and kill himself like a tranny?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Adolf Hitler was truly sent by providence ... merely six years until the international Jews decided to trap him and his utopia into war."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>nazism is the most perfect ideology because\n>well, Weimar was bad\nwhat a logic"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler was a totalitarian arsehole. He was prone to micromanaging and megalomania. Plus, all he had to do was not touch Poland until after next round of elections in UK and France, and he would have gotten away with it. Plus, Nationalism not not fix Socialism. Plus, he forgot to build a surface Navy. Plus, he relied on Japan, Italy and USSR to be his best friends.\nBy God, he was absolutely retarded, Anon. Stop fellating a dead autist."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Archbishop Nolan does it again.\n>A parish with a thriving traditional Latin Mass community in the city of Glasgow, Scotland has been ordered to cancel all of its public Masses almost immediately.\n>Glasgow Archbishop William Nolan, appointed by Pope Francis in February 2022, has instructed Fr. Mark Morris that the traditional Masses at his parish of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (IHOM) in Balornock must end this weekend.\n>The directive was communicated to Fr. Morris with minimal notice, with the priest left to announce it to the parishioners today.\n>Under Morris’ leadership, the parish has grown substantially in recent years and has become a thriving hub of traditional Catholic life in Scotland.\n\nSauce:\nhttps://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scottish-bishop-cancels-thriving-latin-mass-community-in-archdiocese-of-glasgow/\n\nLet's discuss this phenomenon of impeding the true and holy Mass."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The mass is an abomination which blasphemes the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>true and holy mass\nNO is that, the problem is no one follows the rubrics most of the time"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Boomer priests and bishops and cardinals have become especially petty and vindictive as they've realized their time is running out and they're not going to accomplish their goals."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nthis"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe TLM makes people bigots that's why Pope Francis and Catholics don't like it. Tradcaths aren't true Catholics."}, {"id": 7, "content": "So he’s a Diocesan priest?\nWorst comes to worst, you could get the FSSP to move in as they answer to the general superior as opposed to the Archbishop in many respects.\nhttps://www.change.org/p/archbishop-tartaglia-sign-this-petition-for-the-archdiocese-of-glasgow-to-publicly-support-father-mark-morris"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nYeah, its not like Bergoglio was put in the seat by Obongo to do the works of Satan.\nAnd then he exposes himself as the liar he is by allowing pachamama pagan masses:\nhttps://catholiccitizens.org/views/102358/the-new-mayan-rite-of-mass-encouraged-by-pope-francis-is-replete-with-pagan-idolatry-and-symbolism/"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll of the major churches in Scotland are in terminal decline catholic and protestant.\nAlmost no young people attend any of the established churches. Its basically only nasty old boomers.\nDo not understand why Pope Francis is hellbent on getting rid of the latin mass."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nOr just gtfo to the catacombs and hear trad mass if they can find a renegade father."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYeah, Scotland’s in a bad place.\nThey should have more lay ministries like youth groups, but there needs to be a lot more initiative from the leadership."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nDefine \"bigot\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>>6\nlow iq"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nPeople who are essentially modern rigorists, who just use the TLM as a pharisaic display of righteousness, an opportunity to bad-mouth the church and sow dissent. Not all TLM goers are like this ofc, but there's enough of them for this to be a problem."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nMaybe they just… I don’t know… like it?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI don’t think “bigot” is the correct word for what you’re describing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">mediterranean \"boys\"\n>20-30% steppe DNA maximum\n>speak steppe language\n>has steppe Y dna\n>Follows steppe culture\n>Fully related to the weakest, most pathetic, disguting, ugliest, weakest and inferior race (EEF slave servants)\n\nwhy do mediterraneans exist? just to be servile slaves?.\nis there anything more pathetic than their main ancestry?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">mediterranean \"boys\"\n>20-30% steppe DNA maximum\n>speak steppe language\n>has steppe Y dna\n>Follows steppe culture\n>Fully related to the weakest, most pathetic, disguting, ugliest, weakest and inferior race (EEF slave servants)\nThis only applies to Iberians."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>20 to 30% mongoloid\nyikes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ntrue, italians and greeks have turkish and nafri ydna instead"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Astrology for men"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Target: Italian_Piedmont\nDistance: 2.9783% / 0.02978345\n58.2 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic\n31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n10.0 WHG\n\nTTarget: Italian_Calabria\nDistance: 2.2604% / 0.02260389\n62.8 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic\n20.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n9.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n4.6 WHG\n1.4 Levant_Natufian_EpiP\n1.0 MAR_Taforalt\n\n\nTarget: Portuguese\nDistance: 3.6833% / 0.03683330\n53.8 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic\n26.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n16.0 WHG\n4.0 MAR_Taforalt\n\nliteral dalits"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nyou just know she goes for BBC only"}, {"id": 8, "content": "That goblina woman is oddly very cute."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndisgusting brown untouchable dalit hijras.\nkill all farmbugs"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Damn..."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nshe meant the nafris that are everywhere in italian biggest cities"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "A lot of attention is put on the sacking of the city of Rome, but wasn’t Ravenna the de facto capital at the time? Pic related is a Ravenese mosaic."}, {"id": 2, "content": "There were like 10 cities with palace sized quarters built in various times\nRome was still the symbolic center of the empire\nConstantinople was young and it was in this period it and its patriarch grew in influence as the proper New Rome"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Exarchate. Byzantines held onto Ravenna and, from there, ruled late-antique Rome.\nWhen bishop Martin called a synod to the Lateran and anathematised Monotheletism, Olympius the exarch declared himself emperor and marched south in Martin's support.\n\n... but then emperor Constans II kicked his arse, arrested Martin, and appointed some crony to be exarch and some other crony to be bishop."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRavenna was surrounded by large swamps, making it a very difficult target"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "anne frank died of typhus, she was not murdered"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Would."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsheesh....my my. I am no longer an antisemite. thanks."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I didn't kill the teenage girl I locked in my basement, the black mold and malnutrition killed her"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>oops i forgot to mention my neighbors blockaded me from going to the store and shot anyone who tried to send me help"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nwas that before or after you robbed another guy, kidnapped somebody living inside that house, and stole from the same guy as well after trying to kill him"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy did she die of typhus?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe camp's hospital had run out of medicine due to strategic bombers"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nwow if only she hadn't been forced into a squalid camp where the conditions made it a perfect breeding ground for infectious diseases"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe absolute worst part of this edit is the dyeing her hair.\nPitch black hair with pale skin is goddess tier."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nCause she caught typhus"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\n*took back the land stolen from you by the HOA and reunited with your cousin who had a nearby home"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>why was the camp squalid"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif they wanted to kill her for being a jew why did they send her to a hospital in order to save her from a disease?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhy was she in the camp?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWhy wasn't she gassed immediately upon arrival despite being an underage girl with no useful skills?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nObviously they thought she could still have some use since her dad didn't and was gassed on arrival."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nexcept you never own the 25 houses you also stole and robbed from"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this an accurate depiction of Abraham Lincoln's assassination?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "For schizophrenics, yes."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJohn Wilkes Booth was a Sephardic jew (real name Botha)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis this from bioshock?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>lincoln was so evil he got a jew to kill him\nhory shit"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, for trailer trash the country over it certainly is."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, the flags in the background are clearly anachronistic."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Yes, just a pity that the justice which struck down the tyrant came too late to save the constitution."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSlavery and treason are not constitutional rights."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSays the country founded by treason"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nTreason against slave owning and feudal monarchs."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>1700s Britain\n>feudal\nShart education"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nAll aristocracy is feudal, plus the Industrial Revolution hadn’t taken effect so it wasn’t capitalist under Marxian definition. Also on top of those points I just said it for maximum emphasis on how backwards I think the concept of aristocracy is."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>All aristocracy is feudal"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>Treason against slave owning and feudal monarchs.\nDid the founding fathers ban slavery? I didn’t know that."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>Socialist is a Yankee larper\nHilarious"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>how backwards I think the concept of aristocracy is\n>getting lorded over by globalists is so much better"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n1. Feudalism was the tenancy system created by Germanic warlords after the collapse of western Rome. Aristocracy is as old as mankind.\n2. According to \"Marxist definition\" the transition from feudalism to capitalism is marked by expropriation of labor instead of appropriation. Engels said this happened in England in the early 1600s at the latest.\n3. Marxism is retarded and so are you. Not because you're a Marxist but because you're American."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nDemon detected"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks AI generated"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt's from a videogame made by a jewish libtard"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nBased"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nThey set the stage for progress."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did he do it?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "racial hierachy map of europe"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased.\nfarmbugs must serve steppebvlls"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompletely meme.\n>>2\nIt doesn't correspond with the distribution of Steppe admixture at all."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nbrahmins and kshatriya are interchangeable in steppe proportions though"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy are Germanics, Brahmin?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nIt's like this either. Germans and English are 45% WSH mutts, Baltics, Finns, and Russians are mutted with Asian ancestry. I didn't bother myself with all those little shitholes though, just have guessed."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI can get why Finnics are Brahmin, they are shamanistic cool people n stuff. But Germanics, really? Out of all nations in Europe."}, {"id": 8, "content": "brahmindom shalt be more exclusive, rest of whites can be kashtriyas though"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nin what sense Germans, Dutch, Normans, Belgians and British have Brahminical values?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nintellectual corpus of europe, while still aryan enough to qualify."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> France has all of them\nMakes total sense."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>our high caste boulevard shitters are nord white, sirs"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>still aryan enough\nNo. English and German are literally 45% WSH, it's Balkan-tier."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nchecks out\nsaved\nfuck southrons"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nHindu caste system\n>dot head boulevard shitter\n>dagger carrying street shitter\n>merchant street shitter\n>farmer village shitter\n>untouchable toilet shitter"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI consider anglos to be the highest tier of the white race going by innovations per capita, geniuses per capita, historical impact, largest empire in human history and so on."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\ndumb dalit, All kshitriyas qualify for brahmindom still, its merely ocupational the difference\nDistance to: KAZ_Kairan_MLBA(Original_Brahmin)\n0.06071008 Scottish(Brahmin)\n0.06254697 Dutch(Brahmin)\n0.06605851 English(Brahmin)\n0.06769066 German(Brahmin)\n0.06958902 English_Cornwall(Brahmin)\n0.07025212 French_Brittany(Brahmin)\n0.07527586 Flemish(Brahmin)\n0.07554852 Russian_Belgorod(Kshitriya)\n0.07622143 French_Seine-Maritime(brahmin)\n0.07832270 Croatian(Vaisha)\n0.08739829 Bosnian(Vaisha)\n0.09503902 Serbian(Vaisha)\n0.10198705 French_Auvergne(Vaisha)\n0.10462103 French_Provence(shudra)\n0.10688315 Macedonian(Shudra)\n0.12200801 French_Bearn(dalit)\n0.13388192 Albanian(Dalit)\n0.19591971 Cypriot(Hijra)\n0.20509567 Sardinian(Hijra)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nKeep whining, shitskin:\nDistanceto: Corded_Ware_Baltic_early\n0.11425447 Me(Brahmin)\n0.11585810 Swedish(Brahmin)\n0.12760504 Scottish(Kshatriya)\n0.13291620 English(Vaishya)\n0.13492658 German(Vaishya)\n0.13856420 French_Brittany(Shudra)\n0.15530588 Swiss_German(Dalit)"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nPeriod.\nDistanceto: Corded_Ware_POL_early\n0.12877114 Swedish(Brahmin)\n0.12989710 Me(Brahmin)\n0.13841415 Scottish(Kshatriya)\n0.14357250 English(Vaishya)\n0.14711129 German(Vaishya)\n0.14952468 French_Brittany(Shudra)\n0.16611011 Swiss_German(Dalit)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCan't even get the varnas right.\nYou lot have the raceology knowledge of toddlers."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>dalit ware\nyou can be a brahmin if you are in the Kshitriya-Brahmanic range, whom never must be brahma are those below, kshitriya and brahmans are nearly equal compred to shudra and hijras\nDistance to: KAZ_Kairan_MLBA(Original_Brahmin)\n0.06071008 Scottish(Brahmin)\n0.06254697 Dutch(Brahmin)\n0.06580531 Finnish_Southeast(kshtriya)\n0.06605851 English(Brahmin)\n0.06769066 German(Brahmin)\n0.06912087 Russian_Kostroma(Brahmin)\n0.06958902 English_Cornwall(Brahmin)\n0.07025212 French_Brittany(Brahmin)\n0.07299939 Cossack_Kuban(kashtriya)\n0.07514626 Ukrainian_Sumy(Kshtriya)\n0.07527586 Flemish(Brahmin)\n0.07530706 Estonian(Brahmin)\n0.07554852 Russian_Belgorod(Kshitriya)\n0.07622143 French_Seine-Maritime(brahmin)\n0.07832270 Croatian(Vaisha)\n0.08735095 Swiss_German(Vaisha)\n0.08739829 Bosnian(Vaisha)\n0.09503902 Serbian(Vaisha)\n0.10198705 French_Auvergne(Vaisha)\n0.10462103 French_Provence(shudra)\n0.10688315 Macedonian(Shudra)\n0.11510691 Spanish_Barcelones(Shudra)\n0.12200801 French_Bearn(dalit)\n0.12378304 Spanish_Aragon(Dalit)\n0.12574846 Spanish_Andalucia(Dalit)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nDon't care, didn't read.\nThose\n>0.14357250 English(Vaishya)\n>0.14711129 German(Vaishya)\nare Gaulish mutt apes, obviously Vaishyas or Shudras as the OG European type."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\ndumb ape english are very dolichocephalic, they must be brahmin, however finns are vaisha or shudra tier and are potato headed insectoids\n\nDistance to: KAZ_Kairan_MLBA(Original_Brahmin)\n0.06071008 Scottish(Brahmin)\n0.06254697 Dutch(Brahmin)\n0.06580531 Finnish_Southeast(kshtriya)\n0.06605851 English(Brahmin)\n0.06769066 German(Brahmin)\n0.06912087 Russian_Kostroma(Brahmin)\n0.06958902 English_Cornwall(Brahmin)\n0.07025212 French_Brittany(Brahmin)\n0.07299939 Cossack_Kuban(kashtriya)\n0.07514626 Ukrainian_Sumy(Kshtriya)\n0.07527586 Flemish(Brahmin)\n0.07530706 Estonian(Brahmin)\n0.07554852 Russian_Belgorod(Kshitriya)\n0.07622143 French_Seine-Maritime(brahmin)\n0.07832270 Croatian(Vaisha)\n0.08548219 Corded_Ware_POL_early(Vaisha)\n0.08735095 Swiss_German(Vaisha)\n0.08739829 Bosnian(Vaisha)\n0.09503902 Serbian(Vaisha)\n0.10198705 French_Auvergne(Vaisha)\n0.10462103 French_Provence(shudra)\n0.10688315 Macedonian(Shudra)\n0.10952888 Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus(Shudra)\n0.11510691 Spanish_Barcelones(Shudra)\n0.12200801 French_Bearn(dalit)"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nYou're obviously a shitskin. Your bong owner won't come anymore, may not bother yourself.\nReminding the actual map: >>6"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nyou are acting like a total hijra"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYou are acting like a total nigger.\nSpecifically by doing the retarded semantic shift thing.\n>Inb4 Hysterical rambling about heejruhs and India because that shitty (literally) subcontinent is rent-free on your head (Fairly small accommodations)."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is looks like a migrant settlement map too"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Indian caste system is faggotry stop trying to ape it\nThe Aryans were losers who got bred out of existence by their shitskin servants it's a cautionary tale if anything"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nFor sure, shudra, for sure.\n>>25\nt. shitskin"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nHimmler agreed with me"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Himmler\nThis 45% WSH shudra mongrel who was defeated by 55% WSH brahmin Slavs? FR, FR."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nnormandy and brittany are the most migrant-free regions in france, north and east germany tho, denmark is doing pretty fine, same as finland and iceland, ireland is mostly okay and scotland, wales and north ireland are doing nicely, balts as well, flanders is the cleanest region in belgium, and while the nethelands are shitted its only in big cities"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nif slavs are brahmin why are they brachycephalic like dalits?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nWhere are the Aryans now? Modern day brahmins are shitskins. So they got bred out."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>the most migrant-free regions in france\nI.e. 25% of migrants instead of 50%? Wow!\n>>33\nSlavs have lower CI than krauts, you brown retard."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>where are the Aryans now\nRuling the pooland."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>28\nThey like to self-insert as the Brahmins for some reason (I suspect it's just to compensate for their lack of personal achievements as if looking like chinggis khan gave 99% of chinamen any value), not knowing the Brahmins were seldom kings, they were priests.\nI am racist for the record.\n>>30\nMany raceologists did. De Gobineau, Grant, Stoddard. idk if Spengler agreed but there's a chance he didn't because he had a different view of things."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nNot than english. Explain Mordovin incel"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>kshatryas\n>does not include ex-yu\nsilly anon"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nAnd than your bong owners too, shitskin. Now begone."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>shitskins are aryan when I want them to be.\nVahaduocels, not even once."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThey have literally more WSH than most wops, lmao."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nStill shitskinned.\nAlso, you have to evict Shitalians out of your head."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>24\n>>25\nThe final map."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>some shitty couple of irrelevant slavs are brahmins\nYikes"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>unknown\nMordovin slavmutts will NEVER be brahmins"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>>45\nOh, darktroon, I confused you with an actual European. My bad."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nGay alien with glasses you will never be aryan. Aryans were completly alien to slavmutts"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nDon't bother me, hijra."}, {"id": 50, "content": "what are you stupid faggots doing, this is clearly ust a good to bad gradient, i dont even know what these brownwords fucking mean i'm just the good one"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nDo you expect anything more from these intellectual paragons?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\ni just want to know how they generate their haplogroup autisms"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nYou mean their funky charts?\n>>36\n>>29\nThat's generated on a program called Vahaduo, idk where they get their coordinates though, I think it's on Eurogenes but I don't know for sure.\nIt's fag shit in my opinion."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nyes, the charts\ni want to know"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did a place so swarthy spawn Hitler?\n\nNon-whites and people born and raised in non-white lands are not permitted to be racist"}, {"id": 2, "content": "you did this bait yesterday and no one commented op.\nsad"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSorry you're basically the blacks of the Germanic world, canyon shitter. It was painful how Mong'd Vienna is"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAs opposed to what? Berlin?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did a place so swarthy spawn Hitler?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Half of my asiatic shithole is Vienna so all of Germany is Berlin\nevery time with you fucking subhuman wogs"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWith the sheer levels of self-parody we're on we'll reach \"Actually no one is white\" in very few days."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\ngimi"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nt.seeing wog with brown eyes or brown hair\n\nI literally saw more white people at the airport queue than i did in a week in vienna\n\nSeeing a blonde (real blonde. No, Straßenköterblonde isn't blonde) was a 1 per day event\n\n\nIt felt no different, skin wise, than Istanbul does."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSwowniggers aren't white."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nt. jamal"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nt. Cletus"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>amerisouthrons\n>white\ntop kek"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\nI've seen people do that many times in the past. Are you new around here?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how did this tactic keep messing people up? I just watched a documentary about the fourth crusade and the french knights just kept suiciding into ambushes and feigned retreats."}, {"id": 2, "content": "rule 2 of warfare: expect a german counter-attack"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWaterloo proves a fake retreat can work. That’s probably the most famous example I can think of."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYour post makes it sound like OP said they were ineffective"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Because taking advantage of routing armies are how you actually get to kill people (and loot their stuff) in wars pre-gunpowder, and because it's hard under battlefield conditions to distinguish a feigned retreat from a real one, or to convince others that it's a trap."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">that one time Baibars lures crusaders into the city and then closes the gates behind them"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's hard to spot a genuine routing enemies from feigned retreaters especially if they are not horse archers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nbest post. Yes. You chased them because that's how you stole all their shit that they have to leave behind while running."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Theory: many rootless anglo tradlarpers flock to TLM because they are intellectually lazy. They get to sign on to it after superficially surveying it's aesthetics, and it provides a dogmatic & triumphalist system (ecclesiology, history, systematics) that requires no effort whatsoever for the seeker besides consent.\n\nEastern Orthodoxy, anglo catholicism, old catholicism and other traditions like these are not as attractive because it requires the seeker to do more independent thinking, after that initial conclusion that whatever they're coming from (irreligion, cultural catholicism, mom's megachurch) is unacceptable"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Conversely the internet produces giga contrarians who go down the purity spiral of church communions and conveniently find from their study that only the associate reformed Presbyterian or old order Mennonite or primitive Baptist churches are valid. At the end of this spiral you find weirdos trying to rehabilitate actual ancient heretics. Here sits schizos like \"the southern protestant\" and \"christian identity\", occasionally shilled here"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAesthetics is the only thing in religion that matters imo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou are a prime target for such shills. Beware!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtestantism is boring as hell, I don't know how you faggots stand such a dreadful version of Christianity"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nCase in point\nArbitrary, superficial survey of the religious landscape based almost entirely on aesthetics"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSure, doesn't change the fact that your religion is boring. A regular EO liturgy is a 1000 times better than the best protestant service ever given."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nShow me what you think is the best protestant liturgy"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it requires the seeker to do more independent thinking,\nAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAAHAHHAHA\nok, in what way"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThat's just hyperbole. I'm speaking from what I've seen in prot and ortho churches."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI would say that protestantism is much broader and occupies more space on the spectrum of beautiful to ugly worship"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">You're facing pic related in an open battle\nWhat do you do to counter them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShoot them with my own archers. Seize a hill with my infantry and then shoot them with slingers. Shoot them with crossbows Bring heavy cavalry and don't break formation. Tighten ranks and keep moving because they're incapable of actually stopping me. Manuever them up against a forest or river.\n\nTl;Dr, do any of the things people actually did to beat them."}, {"id": 3, "content": "tsunami"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>seize hill\n>horsies surround and continuely harrass you but avoid direct confrontation\n>your men either run out of food or arrows and die"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf its total war spam heavy infantry and archers or really fast light cavalry to catch them and heavy cavalry to destroy them."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nOh, I didn’t realize that the horse archers mentioned in the OP were mystical beings with the infinite ammo and invincibility cheats enabled"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Bribe another tribe, be backstabbed, watch them join forces and die"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Charge them with all my knights and when they retreat pursue them"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThey can forage and resupply from other units, you cannot. Yes, that does effectively make their food and ammo effectively infinite compared to you."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nKek"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nHungary"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nYes, they can forage health packs or overshields from nearby forests as well, thus, they are impervious to Missile fire. They’ll probably forage for some mats while they’re at it, and build an even higher ground than you, which is why high ground won’t matter either. This is why no horse archer army has ever been defeated, thanks for the reminder"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">use geography to my advantage\n>use their same tactics\n>use religious discourse to my advantage"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese guys got defeated by the Poles once they figured out how to build stone forts. How did the mongols defeat the Chinese? And to answer your question, I would defeat them the same way the US army defeated horse archers, revolvers."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPay them tribute so they fuck off and leave you alone. Alexander Nevsky wasn’t even a great statesman. He was just not completely brain dead compared to everyone else they went against."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many soldiers do I have? How many do they have? What region am I in? Is there a fort, hills or forest that I can retreat to? What weaponry and armor do I have at my disposal? Do I also have horse archers? Do they have a camp with supplies? Do I? Do they have supply lines?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMobile barricades and ranged weapons."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUse my own horse archers"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nheavy cavalry but as an eurotard king the best choice would be to hide behind walls and crossbowmen."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>These guys got defeated by the Poles once they figured out how to build stone forts.\nThe ones that came back wasn't the Mongol Empire anymore.\n>How did the mongols defeat the Chinese?\nBy fighting like the Chinese, using siege weapons, infantry, and navies."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\n>I would defeat them the same way the US army defeated horse archers, revolvers\nUh... Native Americans had plenty of guns, and the US Army used rifles and carbines for their 'fighting'"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Square formations with infantry with big shields on the outside. Archers I'm the middle."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou run for the hills\nNo shit\nThey cant fight in the hills\nYou lure them into forests and ambush them in vallies and throw rocks and trunks at them and trap them in forest fires\nAnd if they keep comming you get them in mountain passes\nAnd as they retreat you cut them down\nThats how we did it\nIt worked, killed the whole fuckload of them, never came back"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>4\nOr you just proceed to use your superior height to shoot them. And then send men to seize the next hill under the cover of your fire.\n\nSomething people actually fucking did. Retard."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do these potato eaters have any interesting history? I only know them as the people that got invaded and converted by the Teutonic Order."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Latrinevians were forefront of the Bolshevik Revolution"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPreferably prior to the 19th century."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if Africans had Glocks ans Uzis during the scramble for Africa?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo change."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf both sides had it then you'd probably see a lot of deadlock or both sides employing different strats to push the offense. Imperial powers did have the big advantage of being ably to levy locals they defeated or importing soldiers from another colony to fill their numbers. Big question is what Euro power(s) were able to contact local African political powers and supply them with enough guns and support in certain regions.\n\nIn our timeline Africans did have access to firearms but the key issue was manufacturing them on mass scale and outfitting enough of soldiers. That and how some firearms were getting outdated as more key advances of firearms occurred."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere would’ve been a lot less of them left alive by the time the battles started."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHe said Scramble of Africa so by 1885."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhiteys aint never be able to handle the rizz yo\n>>4\nkek"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey’d sell their weapons for booze and get colonized"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Crappy pistols and pcc's (lol niggas dont use stocks either way) that shoot lil 9mm's that are inaccurate and coupled with the crappy uzi and stock glock sights you'd be lucky to have a nigga shoot 10 moa groups\n>vs large rifle cartridges that can kill reliably and accurately to 700 yards\nThe lebel is only like a year away and that alone would mog any nog from 300 meters away no sweat while daquan bounces up and down from the recoil and general pussyness of recoil scaring him. Also a reminder, Frogs were mogging commie backed nogs with ak's while they were still using crappy service rifles and killing like 50 of them for every injured frog, and this was the limp wristed demoralized frogs, imagine what some pissed off bongs would do to the jamal legions?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThis. OP is a nogunz who thinks a shit round like 9mm would've been a game changer."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMass black-on-black violence."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Frogs were mogging commie backed nogs\nWhere exactly? You mean Algeria or Vietnam?\n\n>imagine what some pissed off bongs would do to the jamal legions?\nPlay it safe?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>nogs\n>Vietnam\n>Algeria\nNigga you retarded\n>>9\nNogunz think small pistol calibers punch baseball holes through targets instead of pin holing and doing nothing to incapacitate someone unless a vital is hit like the heart or spine. They have never seen a webm of a perp tank three officers mag dumping him and still being able to get up and run off. God 9mm is such crap that i'd rather take one of those crappy black powder loaded 45lc revolvers that we decades old by that point and be all the more deadly for it"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nSo what commies were the French fighting in Africa?\n\n>God 9mm is such crap that i'd rather take one of those crappy black powder loaded 45lc revolvers that we decades old by that point and be all the more deadly for it\nthey had that and those were pretty hard to employ with their military in some parts."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>So what commies were the French fighting in Africa?\nDozens of groups and not commies, \"commie backed\", which was all of the small scale wars that are non stop to even this day. Once the Soviets fucked off and collapsed, the Chinese took over in funneling arms to dozens of groups that funnel those arms to local groups to further destabilize the region making their resource extraction from Africa all the more easier\n>those were pretty hard to employ with their military\nSo a period weapon being scarce is the reason you chose weapons made a 110+ years after for your dumb scenario?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>Dozens of groups and not commies, \"commie backed\", which was all of the small scale wars that are non stop to even this day.\nWhich ones? You do know France was balls deep in Africa at the time with several states pretty much kowtowing to France directly.\n\n>the Chinese took over in funneling arms to dozens of groups that funnel those arms to local groups to further destabilize the region making their resource extraction from Africa all the more easier\nThe guns were already there. Islamist weren't historically new to the region and the reason they flared up was because Libya collapsed and ME extremists had direct pipeline to the Sahel."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nI know it's fun to hate niggers and everything but a company of men with Uzis would absolutely annihilate a company of men with Lebels\nEssentially 1 Maxim gun's worth of firepower vs. 20 Maxim gun's worth of firepower"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>daquan bounces up and down from the recoil and general pussyness of recoil scaring him\nlmao."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA monkey remains a monkey, even if he got a gun."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNot even close at all."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Dont be waycist!!!\nyikes\n>Essentially 1 Maxim gun's worth of firepower vs. 20 Maxim gun's worth of firepower\n>comparing a gun able to suppress enemies 300 meters+ out against a pcc that is inaccurate to a trained shooter beyond 100 meters and uses a weaker and far slower round\nAbsolute peak nogunz take, but i'll humor you. So you magically spawn these glocks and uzi's into Africa, how would the ammo be handled? Would every nog have max reload because that's the only way to even bring partial parity between the contemporary euro guns and the 9mm shitters? What good would your inaccurate uzi's be when the savannas and plains are what most of Africa's geography composes of? What tactics would you be able to teach the nogs to hold their fire till atleast 75 meters in distance to the Euros while maintaining discipline to do so? Unless the Africans magically got an industrial revolution with this pcc's and pistols, they will never be able to even make enough ammo to reliably arm 100 let alone the tens of thousands needed to be attritioned to be able to get within accurate shooting distance to the Euros, do you even know what pcc's were made for? They are not frontline weapons, they meant to deter enemies from closing in while the riflemen reload or as a last ditch effort to buy time for the supply line to retreat as they were meant for during the cold war, and a fast cycling pcc with plenty of light and cheap ammo was the logical choice at the time. The uzi is one of the worst designs out there for any of this, and was mostly meant to be concealable for military police guarding an area against unarmed civilians/Palestinians."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>So you magically spawn these glocks and uzi's into Africa, how would the ammo be handled?\nBy the same people who supplied them lol. You do know the whole \"trade/supply guns and ammo\" thing wasn't really rare in Africa?\n\n>What good would your inaccurate uzi's be when the savannas and plains are what most of Africa's geography composes of?\nThat's not actually accurate.\n\n>What tactics would you be able to teach the nogs to hold their fire till atleast 75 meters in distance to the Euros while maintaining discipline to do so?\nYou do know mixed melee, bows and gusn were used by several entities including Euro powers who employed mercenaries/subjects as fighters?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>By the same people who supplied them lol. You do know the whole \"trade/supply guns and ammo\" thing wasn't really rare in Africa?\n>Just trade for 9mm bro in 1885!\nAbsolutely retarded, and no soldier would be able to carry enough ammunition to be worthwhile with a pcc, and seeing how beast of burden were far and sparse in Africa for the period, how do you propose they move the needed repair parts, oil and ammo supply crates needed to maintain an open bolt shitter?\n>What good would your inaccurate uzi's be when the savannas and plains are what most of Africa's geography composes of?\nOnly 18% of Africa is jungle (the dense parts even less at around 5-10%) and the only African group that stayed in the mountains in large numbers were the Ethiopians who were avoided for that very reason.\n>You do know mixed melee, bows and gusn were used by several entities including Euro powers who employed mercenaries/subjects as fighters?\n>inb4 gurkhas who were mogged in every battle not against their fellow colonials\nYeah to horrible results, you're gonna have a hard time convincing a nog to charge and die so that Mohhamed in the back can get off a few shots at whitey. Also good luck on a civil war not breaking out when the guns are spawned to your ooga booga of choice who will undoubtedly create a cargo cult in hopes of more gibs"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nPretty much. Nigger guerillas in Rhodesia had AKs and legitimately didn't understand what the sights were for. They were cranking the rear sights up to the highest distance thinking it makes the gun more powerful. They also didn't bother aiming at all. So you can imagine the hilarity of iron age baboon spearchuckers trying to use open bolt full autos like uzis."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nOk, Nogs with max ammo cheat on. What happens now?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nAnd consider that that was with a nog that most likely knew English and had interacted with Euros and their tech for 70 years at that point, OP is throwing gear that requires strict maintenance to be performed every break in combat to ensure it cycles correctly to a beyond illiterate person who doesn’t even know not to poop in their drinking water"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThey reenact the opening scene from Mortal Combat Armageddon where they are killing each other to reach the top of a pyramid to reach the unlimited gat. After that the now immortal Yakub conquers the world and genocides all whites, This causes the world to know world peace for ten thousand years till the yellow Finns rise from the ashes and attack the hyperborean Koreans starting a hyper war where Yakub has to eventually awake from his slumber to put an end to the violence while seeing to bring peace to the world the Koreans and Finns must be balanced out, so he recreates Whites and starts the cycle all over beginning from the nuclear ice age to the rebirth of (white) civilization"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhat if Finns get the unlimited ammo glocks and uzis while Yakub is asleep?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Your thoughts on the V-2 rockets?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "god i wish the germans won"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey must have been horrifying at the time. Think about it."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nhe wasnt wrong"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore people died building them than were killed by them.\nCost more as a proportion of GDP than the Manhattan Project.\nNazis are retards."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Nazis are retards\n>created both the Soviet and American space and ICBM programs"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNazis did not invent the rocket. American inventor Robert H. Goddard did. But he was long dead by the time rockets became relevant"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>created both the Soviet and American space and ICBM programs\n>waste vast amount of resources only to benifit your ideological enemies.\n\n\nWeren't they trying to win a war?\nLike I said, retards"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>unknown\n>>4\nHe also posted pictures of his arm and said it was deformed, which was literally also the case for Wilhelm II."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nsuspicious.."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's good they put money on inventing useful stuff for humanity instead of prolonging the war"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm all good with them"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPathetic weapons, by every metric, and indicative of the fact that the Nazi leadership were a bunch of idiots. They spent money on something that was no better for their war effort than just building a huge billboard on the coastline of the English Channel with \"NAZIS RULE!! ALLIES DROOL!!!\" written on it in letters large enough to be read from the English coast. Imagine if any amount of the resources and labour that went into that rocket had gone into building a decent logistical system for their army instead."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christcucks got absolutely destroyed by facts and logic in this debate.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/3WiZvE_1pUk [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://theyetisroar.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/dr-richard-carrier-phd-a-creepy-dishonest-hypocrite/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be way more interesting to see Carrier debate someone like Ehrman on this question.\n\nI haven't seen this debate in particular, but I can imagine it would be easy to trip Christians up in a debate on this due to their maximalist understanding of the historicity of the gospels."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Erhman vs Carrier when?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nCarrier will debate anyone, anytime so it's up to Erhman."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the phantom time hypothesis real? It feels like the Ottonians copied the story of Otto's life and switched the names around.\nCharlemagne:\n>had disputes with his brother Carloman\n>disinherited his firstborn son\n>led a campaign into the pannonian basin, crushed the avars\n>conquered italy\nOtto:\n>had disputes with his brother Thankmar\n>disinherited his firstborn son\n>led a campaign into the pannonian basin, crushed the magyars\n>conquered italy"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharlemagne didn’t disinherit his first born until his rebellion, he didn’t lead a campaign that was his son. And relations with his brother were almost completely peaceful, with his nephews they weren’t"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "England would be like them if France had not conquered them"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>France\nThey were conquered by a Norman Duke"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWho was French, had French genes, and who spoke French, saw himself as Frankish, and who's non-Frankish heritage was seen in the way Americans see Cherokee or Old Confederate heritage."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>and who's non-Frankish heritage was seen in the way Americans see Cherokee or Old Confederate heritage.\n\nDuhhhh, what did you mean by this? There are lots of neo-confederates in this country still."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Who was French\nhe was norman, just like those from the duchy of flanders were flemish, not french\n>had French genes\nLol, his genes were mostly Breton (british), frankish (dutch/flemish) and Danish, french genes are mostly gaulish.\n>and who spoke French\nlike many people back in the day.\nyou speak english, does that make you english?\n>saw himself as Frankish\nso dutch\n>and who's non-Frankish heritage was seen in the way Americans see Cherokee or Old Confederate heritage.\nthey actually took much pride on it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, England would stay immensely Germanic, with cultural and economic ties to Scandinavia."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nVgh what could had been\n\nImagine Danelaw staying alive into the Middle Ages and renaissance and a Danish speaking England."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nengland was a complete shithole conquered by literal norwegian half starved river pirates"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe English and Danes kept raiding and killing each other, the mere existence of Danelaw made the place an unstable shithole. That's why they started massacring danes."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nEh, what actually happened is better. Many 'English' nobles were actually Danes because of Knut. While having the Anglish speak Danish is very improbable thing, some very minute cultural meshing is likely."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nEngland was always pretty wealthy due to it's trade and position on the isles. Historically the only thing to hamper its wealth would be migrations of people."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nAs opposed to the \"English\" Norman nobles?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI'm not talking about the Normans, though. But I could see things going similarly to the Normans, just with their integration being a bit faster due to their cultural ties.\nMaybe in that timeline, we get English kings trying to reform Knut's empire instead of attempts at uniting with France? Who knows."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If I was a Roman in the 5th century I'd be terrified of these people too"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">We mongol, we stronk!\n>Can only fight in ranged combat and absolutely sucks in melee.\n>Suffers terribly in cqc battles in sieges.\nWhy are they like this?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAsian autism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Huns are as same as post-medieval Mongols\nhahaha, no.\nBulgars are descendants of obe of the tribes subjected to Huns and therefore this is the closest we will get to a depiction of Huns. As you can see they dont resemble the post-Genghis Mongols"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTerrified and aroused"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThere was a thread up yesterday which stated the genetic distance between a Hunnic woman from 5th century Bavaria was extremely close to modern Finnish-ugrics and Turkish."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nlook yellow and slanted eyed to me"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nThey sucked in melee? Mongols adopted heavy cavalry tactics/armor etc from Europeans and they were successful."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThey did and that's just fact, we remember the Mongols to this day because they played to their strengths and avoided getting beaten down by stronger men by pelting their enemies with arrows and avoiding open battle till the enemy was harassed for days to weeks. If they tried doing what the Parthians did of charging enemy infantry over and over again till they broke, they would have never been successful because Mongols were just objectively worst in hand to hand combat even against the Chinese"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNo I think you're misunderstanding me. They literally changed their tactics. You're talking about the early mongol armies. But the Ilkhante , Golden horde etc did adopt heavy cavalry more akin to what you would imagine a European knight and those were successful. Of course they had horse archers as well but they realised a gap in their military when they got closed on by heavy cavalry."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI mean they didn't really adopt anything, the mostly Turkic manpower pools they levied from were already using heavy Calvary for centuries at that point and they didn't have to innovate anything in that regard"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Here are things I've seen Indian posters on this website say about Gandhi:\n>Gandhi was a traitor who sucked up to Britishers\n>Gandhi was a traitor who sucked up to Muslims\n>Gandhi was a bigot who wanted to keep Dalits down\nWho is telling the truth?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGandhi was a British agent. He supported the British against the Boers and niggers in the Boer wars and was helping the British Army in South wounded as he had volunteered in some ambulance Corps shit. He saved so many British and commonwealth lives like.the British dog he is. The help offered by Gandhi was so major that he was awarded Kaiser-E-Hind(which is closer to the German Kaiser than anything) by the British Government. The South African Governor Botha and British intelligence groomed him.\nAs he lived in South Africa he started an Ashram where he would live with his wife. He later kicked out his wife to practice \"celibacy\". Turns out he was living with his Lithuanian Jewish boyfriend Harmen Kallenbach. While her wife would wallow outside in the South African heat. Gandhi was busy sucking Jewish dick.\nLater the British Intelligence and Gandhi did the whole Rosa parks sham incident(Rosa parks itself was a sham). Where they sent Gandhi to a first class (at that time only whites=Anglos and Boers were allowed to ride first class). As usual Gandhi was declined entry and pushed off the train. Which was then used by him and British \"funded media\" to spread Gandhi in India and South Africa to show Gandhi as a victim. Then the whole civil disobedience movement happened in South Africa. Which gained Gandhi infamy.\nBy 1906 A.O Hume, Theosophists, Freemasons and other groups had set up a lot of infrastructure to further their operations in India and had compromised a lot of Indians who became educated in the English language and upper caste Indian political elite. So their media spread the hype about Gandhi throught India which dripped down vernacular newspapers which spread to locals and villagers. So Gandhi's hype was already there in India before he ever came to India. The British had carefully manufactured it.\nSo when Gandhi came to India people were already engrossed about Gandhi. The British carefully used him to shutdown violent rebellion."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGandhi preached non-violence and basically combined the cuck mentality and preachings of Christianity and aspects of non-violence, self-sacrifice and abstention of Buddhism,Jainism and Vaishnav Hinduism and covering it with cuck elements of British liberalism. To basically create a supercuck ideology which is known as Gandhism. He preached this shit throughout India. Basically mentally disarming indians to follow non-violent. Gandhi did good job rallying but keeping it non-violent. This meant the British could focus back on Empire expansion while India remained distracted with non-violent bullshit and made the illiterate indian population neutered and lobotomised by preaching this shit.\nThe whole non-violent preaching continued uptill the start of the first world war. Where Gandhi suddenly changed his tune and encouraged Indians to fight for the British. In exchange he promised the indian population that they would ask the British government for Dominion Status with more freedoms. WW1 ended and British basically rejected dominion status to India and spitting in the mouth of Gandhi(more like the indian population).\nGandhi kept preaching non-violence and misinformed indian public. While britishitters would commit massacres and suppression on the daily in around India which lead to occasional violent outbursts. Nothing hard for Gandhi to suppress. All this bullshit went by that time more political leaders had come and radicals and moderates rose that didn't really agree with Gandhi's bullshit ideology. By the 1940's WW2 started and suddenly the peaceful non-violence preaching Gandhi again asked for the dumb 82 IQ jeets to fight for the perfidibritshitters. So he was a hypocrite. .So did the other leaders but for their own ulterior motives. The muslims encouraged the muslims and Hindu leaders encourage Hindus to join the army(this was the first seed of partition proper). Gandhi and his shits encouraged indians to die for britshitters"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhy not just let India go without setting up the protests in the first place of the goal of the British was having India peacefully secede? Wouldn’t just giving them independence without an unnecessary protest movement give them better relations with the Indians?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe British would have been again successful had they not done partition of Bengal. Dividing Muslim Bengal and Hindu Bengal. Leading to Massive deaths. Then Jallianwala Massacre happened that also started hatred towards Britishers. Then champaran protests where they were growing indigo(opium actually) and suppressing farmers. That and the rise of coomunist leaders and radicals allied with USSR started. That and everything else in between along with U.K getting fucked by Hitler resulted in U.k losing India. Gandhi could only control the violence for so long.\nIt is rumoured when the news of the last British ships leaving India reached Gandhi he said that \"The British should know that I was the greatest friend of the Empire\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI have never heard that it was actually opium before that's very interesting"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThe British never wanted to lose India. it's was literally the Jewel crown of the Empire. It was through India they could project all over Africa and Eurasia. America was still under construction and had it's independence and they were never really into empire expansion business up until the 1930's with the anglo-american Atlantic treaty joinning U.S to the British Commonwealth and resulting into the 5 eyes\nThe peaceful protests were \"allowed\" so that they could keep the anger under control also the population was too huge for even the British to handle. You ain't stopping 100,000 people marching peacefully. Anyway the British manipulated a lot through it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWhere do you think they were getting opium to dump in China from?? The British would exploit poor Indian farmers of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar and force them to grow cash crops indigo(opium) and tea, coffee and other cash crops(opium) leading to the \"engineered famines\" in these regions. That opium was essentially grown for free since it essentially taxed on the peasants and farmers. So the British weren't even investing since most of everything was Indian apart from the infrastructure. The water tabel would go down and indian peasants would die then they would take the same opium and dump it in China and kill more Chinese. Earn the money reinvest those in setting up new infrastructure to grow more opium and suck more indian peasant lands."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nBut they also grew indigo right"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">more Germans died at the Normandy landings than allies"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine if it was the Soviets doing it, they would be pushing the German positions no cover no bombings no shit like how you see them doing in Hollywood movies. The Anglos are the most cowardice race in existence."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>BUT DUPUY INSTITUTE SAID MY HECKIN UBER ELITE KNIGHTS OF EVROPA WERE THE BEST ARMY IN HISTOR-ACK!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAgainst various elite units too that were meant to hold off any invasion to avoid having to commit an even larger amount of troops. Hitler never had a chance even if the Soviets lost without lend lease"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Soviets lost without lend lease\nlol\nlmao"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWithout Western aid (which was more than just lend-lease, obviously) the most likely result would have been unsustainable attrition on the eastern front resulting in a stalemate. The Western Allies didn't really make their presence known until 1944, by which point the window of opportunity for total German victory had passed. Hitler could have easily won the war in the first year or two if he tried. The economy wasn't even put on a proper total war footing until 1943."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe battle of Stalingrad was as fierce as it was because the Soviets couldn't afford to lose the lend lease coming through the Caspian being shipped up from Iran. Most Soviet leaders also acknowledged that they were have lost without it. The only people who think otherwise are modern tankies"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Source: twitter screenshot of a meme article with no primary source"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nWhat “elite units” are you referring to. The west was garrisoned with units refitting and resting until return to eastern front, or late conscription old men and teenagers. Elite SS formations (Das Reich etc), if they could still be considered elite by that time in the war, weren’t present at Normandy initially, no?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What in your opinion, was the plague of Athens?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol, you are trying to start a thread with a genuine history topic on /his/? it's 2023."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "kurwa"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I was reading about this guy and specifically his involvement in the Yemen civil war. He says that at the time, The Soviets had denied all involvement, but he shot down a hind that was piloted by a Russian soldier and they recovered intel on Soviet military operations in the war. They passed this info onto their superiors and I believe it was the Saudis who exposed this all at the UN which was a big scandal for the USSR.\n\nDoes anyone know any more details about this and the Soviets being exposed for being involved in the war in Yemen in the 60s?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking, why has Fascism only worked when done by Asians?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir historic monarchic realms were already proto-fascist states in some ways.\n\nJapan was a straight up military dictatorship for 500 years."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Japan was not fascist, it was a military government. The military just hated the government so much they deleted it and replaced it with a military puppet government. Maybe the military itself was fascist but they never really had mass support. What made japan so cohesive was the nationalism and support for the emperor. I mean they made propaganda movies about how they were saving china and asia, because the military knew the public wouldn't support what were doing\n\nOpposite situation of what happened in germany where the nazis spread popular support and populism to gain control of the government. They had massive rallys. Then they created the military after this and the military was under the control of the nazi party.\n\nItaly and spain i forget what happened maybe those disprove my argument. No i have no evidence for my argument i just wrote it all because I can"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>the military knew the public wouldn't support what were doing\nIncredibly incorrect.\n\nThe civilian government opposed the Kwangtung army unilateraly marching in to Manchuria, but it was extremely popular with the people. So much so that at the next election the government lost hard due to them not supporting the military's actions.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_Japanese_general_election#Background"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAnd caveman society was proto-communism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSame reason communism only “works” for them. They are fundamentally unable to get any sort of platonic based worldview, so they just revert to typical zhang authoritarianism."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt worked well enough in Italy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nproto-communism with private property ?!?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nThe Manchurian invasion was widely seen as vital to rescuing the Japanese economy from the Great Depression. I don't know if the same enthusiasm remained later in the decade when the Kwantung Army's behavior continued escalating."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nMy take on it is that Japs fully supported the militarism. Anything to the contrary just sounds like clean wehrmacht: asia edition"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hiroko Nagata\n\nShe was a leader of the United Red Army, a militant communist terrorist group active in Japan during the 1970s.\n\nNagata and Tsuneo Mori (leader of the other group the United Red Army merged with hence the name United), initiated a violent purge of the group's members. In the purge, Nagata and Mori directed the beating deaths of eight members and one non-member who happened to be present. Six other members were tied to trees outside, subsequently freezing to death in the extremely cold weather. Nagata especially targeted members who, in her opinion, \"took too much interest in relations with women and did not devote enough ardour to the revolution.\"\n\nI'm interested in this period of Japanese history, does anyone have some more information? I only know the basic stuff like the Zenkyoto and the Anpo protests and the Narita airport conflict other than that I know nothing. The Japanese communists did all this crazy shit and I barely know about any of it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">ywn be beaten to death by a japcom waifu\nits over"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLook up \"Anti-Japaneseism\". It's a leftist theory that people unironically believed in the 70s that involves a final solution for the Japanese race. It's what modern European leftists are approaching with white people."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThey were originally classmates but that was more of an anarchist thing in Japan which had some distinction compared to the Japanese Red Army's brand of crazy. The EAAJAF didn't engage in struggle sessions and worked ordinary jobs to fund their activities."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>US regime invades somewhere and brainwashes them into total self-hatred while allying with the women and organised crime\nI wonder if they'd ever use such technologies of rule at home. Really pauses one to pondering..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Proper science begins with God, since He is the creator of all things."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahweh can go suck a dick"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes.\n>>2\nPic is (You)."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy?\nIf everything came from God, surely all signs will point to him?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt requires a human to conduct science. Logic cannot exist without faith."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Proper philosophy come from dismissing Medieval garbage and starting from scratch."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nBut you can still think logically without God"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNope it runs out and you die like the zombies."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOk"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThinking logically makes no sense without God. It stops being logic, and becomes an arbitrary game."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhich god?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThe true God."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nLogically speaking, there is no evidence god exists"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nAnd which one would that be?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe one you have always known."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nYou can solve a puzzle without believing on God."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nYou can't be a human being without believing in God"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nAnd, for the third time, which one is that?\n\nAmazing how you insist science starts with God, yet it doesn't allow you to answer the most basic question of all"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nWhat am I then?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nI did answer them. Sorry you don't like the answer\n>>19\nA sinner"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>14\nTapio...."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nAre sinners not human?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nThey are."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nNo, you didn't answer them at all. You came up with crystal stone wine mom answers, 'the one in your heart, bro. Heart of the cards, man'.\n\nDo you even know what science is? Science is about clear answers to clearly defined questions. Now, I will ask you again. Define 'God', and tell us which out of not just all the gods worshipped by humanity, but out of all the possible gods, which one is the only one true god, according to you"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nBut you said you cannot be a human being if you don't believe in god?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>6\nYes but that man still believed in God. He just had a different opinion of him from the catholic church and dismissed scholastic :::science.\"\"\""}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you believe everything was created by a jew in the sky?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nNot that you can't be one but that knowing God is human nature.\n>>24\n>No, you didn't answer them at all. You came up with crystal stone wine mom answers, 'the one in your heart, bro. Heart of the cards, man'.\nYeah I did, sorry again that it made you cry. The knowledge of God which men have by nature is knowledge of God as creator, which comes through general revelation. The unbeliever knows that God is, and what God is, but not who God is, since he is at enmity with Him. This knowledge, knowledge of God as savior, comes to us through special revelation, especially the revelation in His Son the Lord Jesus Christ."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nOkay then, so we need to be Christians on order to do science. Can you then explain why the Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans were able to perform science, despite that they were doing this before Jesus was even born?\n\nBecause according to you, that shouldn't be possible"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased, all knowledge stems from Allah."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nFunny enough, the Scholastics' hero ASristotle wasn't even a Christian."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThey knew God as creator. Didn't I just say that?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nI don't know whether or not God exists."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\n>The knowledge of God which men have by nature\nHow do you know that"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nThey were polytheists, and couldn't recognize any Messiah, let alone your Messiah. That flies directly in the face of your central idea"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>anyone who recognizes any sort of divinity is Christian because they both recognize a creator"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nYes, that's what your false belief is, that you don't know Him.\n>>34\nYou mean, besides the fact it is self-evident? God talks about it in His word.\n>>35\n>They were polytheists\nThis was a distortion of their divine knowledge because of their sin. They knew the true God, but were unwilling to glorify Him, so instead they served the creation.\n>That flies directly in the face of your central idea\nHow?\n>>36\nI didn't say that"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>God talks about it in His word.\nThe Bible is not a very reliable source. Logically speaking."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nIt's more than reliable because it is infallible."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>How?\nThey performed science before many of the concepts of your religion had even been invented.\n\nFurthermore, your distortion nonsense doesn't fly either, because much of Christianity is based off of polytheistic religious themes. For instance, the end times, the concept of the Messiah, and God as a god of order is directly lifted from Zoroastrianism. Christianity as we know it wouldn't exist without Zoroastrianism, but the reverse doesn't apply. This tells me that Christianity is highly inferior to Zoroastrianism"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>bats are birds"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>17\n>>15\n>>28\nThe more I encounter this “you actually believe the same things I do but you just pretend not to and there is no possibility of the contrary” mentality among Christians, the less human they seem to me. Does anyone else?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nIt constantly contradicts itself. It is by definition not infallible."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nIf everyone inherently believes in God without actually reading the Bible or going to church doesn't that make the former two things obsolete?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nOrwell wrote about this in \"the prevention of literature.\" It's uncanny."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\n>They performed science\nThat's because they knew God. Man was designed as a reasoning creature, and therefore is able to reason. However, those are ignorant of God as savior, who are aloof from the creator, are inherently inconsistent, due to the enmity between them and God which leads them to deny Him whom they know (a contraindication). Their intellect is in bondage to sin. Therefore while they are capable learning they will inevitably develop major errors due to their unwillingness to acknowledge God, such as an atheist who spends his life studying the stars and somehow fails to notice the divine clockwork of the heavens.\n>much of Christianity is based off of polytheistic religious themes. For instance, the end times, the concept of the Messiah, and God as a god of order is directly lifted from Zoroastrianism.\nThank you for providing us with an example of the bondage of the unbelieving intellect.\n>>42\nJohn 15:18 \"If the world hates you, it hated me first\"\n>>43\nNo, there are no contradictions in scripture."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>9\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiveLeak#History\nI always wondered what the name of, of the other website that wasn’t called WikiLeaks. Trump should have freed that guy that did Wikileaks, but that guy that got put in prison stole all the attention and everyone forgot about LiveLeak. Here is what happened to them apparently, I used to go there and be shocked by race tracks with a young man cut in half with his guts all strung out over the road just lying there still alive and waiting for the ambulance. Then there was the beheading videos which is what made people forget it exists because people didn’t want to see too much violence and gore. But it was an actual good video site and it like YouTube took them over just by trying to make them scared. You could still go there and watch really interesting things going on. And I’m still pissed at Wikileaks being the one that stole all the attention, like building 7 was forgotten that it was obviously controlled demolition."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nAnon, I know you might be dense, but I sadly have to inform you, that arguing without any arguments actually dissuades people from paying homage to your death cult. Could you provide any evidence for why god is necissary for existence?"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Cursed posters itt posting about Zoro the masked hero again claiming he existed before Jesus Christ."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>6\n>Starting from scracth\n>Uses the concept of substance and the ontological argument, not fully escaping the catholic standpoint and resulting in a monstrosity of a philosophy for delirious people who doubt the world exists"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nI'll be happy to as soon as you provide a reason why anyone should care about evidence."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nEvidence is necessary to inquire truth, as truth must always follow observation in nature. For example, it is completely logical to say, that something you drop might fall upwards, as there would be nothing preventing that object to do so, if there is space above it. Yet, as everything always falls down to the ground, and something heavier than air falling upwards has never been observed, it is simply untrue to assume that objects can reject gravity. The same thing applies to god: It is completely logically sound to assume an all-powerful, uncaused creator, but if that creator is not directly observed, I cannot assume for him to actually be there, much less to assign traits to him. If I say, that something exists, and there is nothing directly pointing to that, then I have no reason to conclusively know that it actually does. Just because I could tell everyone, that I am a billionaire, that doesn't make me a billionaire. It is possible, sure, but if I can't prove it, then is is simply not true"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>10\nAtheism has never meant that cause and effect doesn’t exist and predictable patterns aren’t a part of the universe, or that things don’t act consistently.\nIt’s just a lack of belief in gods, anything else you tack on is on you."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>51\n>I'll be happy to as soon as you provide a reason why anyone should care about evidence\nI like that you don’t have the social or life experience to know how obvious this line of deception is.\nAny non-autistic person on earth knows that a person who responds to a request for evidence of their claims with “why does anyone care about evidence” doesn’t have evidence."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>14\nthe one that is, was and will be\nthe Alpha and the Omega\nBeing itself\nthe 'ens realissimum'\nthe 'ipsum esse subistens'\nthe Most Holy Trinity\nthe necessary rational idea of 'omnitudo realitatis'\nthe one that is, simply, Love"}, {"id": 56, "content": "The mods have allowed the under 18 posters to post for days now, and they keep allowing people to post babies, and they often have mutated deformities meaning that the mods are pedophiles that have a sick obsession."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nUtter gibberish. Why is Christianity slowly turning into soccermom spirituality?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nyeah, soccermoms are very well known readers of scholastic philosophy"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nThere's barely any difference. Both of them are incoherent ravings for power and control, driven by fear"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nvery profound\n\nbut not asmuch as this:\nGod exists"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nWhich?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nThere's only One. Divinity is necessarily One\n\n>>55"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nSo Allah?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Proper science begins with God, since He is the creator of all things.\nWhy do you always start your own threads just to listen to yourself speaking as you samefag?\nHoly shit Christ-tard anon. See a shrink."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nEvery monotheistic religion is based around the same God. but Christianity is the one true Religion, since God revealed Himself as the Most Holy Trinity"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThat's not what Allah told Muhammed"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\ni know"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>53\nIt does mean exactly that, the atheist who fails to deny the obvious contradicts himself\n>>54\nThe demand for evidence is illegitimate and self-satisfying\n>>52\n>Evidence is necessary to inquire truth\nWhy do you claim it gives you truth? Why does the lack of it fail to give you truth? Where is the evidence that I need evidence?\n>truth must always follow observation in nature\nWhy? Why should rationality be followed rather than flipping a coin to derive truth? Is this statement itself true, and if so have you observed it? There is also a category here, as it may be that observation is necessary in nature (that is, the natural sciences) yet God is not a natural being, nor has any form or spatial location which would enable such observation.\n>as everything always falls down to the ground\nHave you observed *everything* fall towards the ground, or only some things?\n>something heavier than air falling upwards has never been observed\nHow does that make it untrue? What burden does truth have to appear before you? If a tree falls in the woods, and you were not there to see it, does that mean it did not fall?\n>It is completely logically sound\nHave you observed the existence of logic?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>52\n>>68\n>If I say, that something exists, and there is nothing directly pointing to that, then I have no reason to conclusively know that it actually does\nThen you must not have reason to believe that you or the universe exists, in the case of yourself because your mind, your thoughts and your feelings, are not something which you perceive with your senses, nor is the external world a thing which you perceive directly but only indirectly through your senses, so on your worldview you have and could not have any reason to believe anything external is anything more than a figment of your imagination like a schizophrenic's hallucinations. It is simply false that sense-experience is the only or even ultimate standard of truth. God has impressed on the spirits of His creatures a sensus divinitatis, that they may know Him and what their duty is concerning Him. This is knowledge of God which is not mediated through anything (even the senses) but which is immediate, man having his knowledge as an aspect of his being. Scripture says \"what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them\". If God should cause me to know something, how could I ever be truly ignorant of it even if I make eradicating it from my knowledge my life's mission? Is my capacity for ignorance and foolishness greater than the power of God? I may be able to cover it over for a time to deceive myself into thinking I do not know it, but sometimes it will bubble to the surface despite my efforts, such as when professed atheists admit that they fear hell. And because they know God, they are able to know themselves and the world."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAquinas denies this, though."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nAquinas denied that God is the creator of all things?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nAquinas denied that all science must start with God just because God is the creator of all things. Aquinas is very clear about the fact that God's existence is not self-evident but must be demonstrated by things which are more known to us. In the Prior Analytics, Aristotle distinguishes between things which are prior in themselves and things which are prior to us. Just because God is prior in himself because the creator does not mean he's prior according to the order of our knowledge."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nWell, Aquinas was wrong\n>Aristotle\nFound the problem"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>believes in the possibility of intelectual intuition of the absolute\n\nshiggy diggy doooooohh"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nIt's divine revelation Anon. Not autonomous."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nRevelation is the principle and sole basis for scientific knowledge? Revelation alone?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nAll that which man has is given to him by God."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\nGod doesn't exist.\n\n>Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation... I'm an atheist.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking#Religion_and_atheism"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nOkay fine. God gave man finitude. All man has is finitude, and it's through finitude that he must know the world, be free and serve God\n\nMan is forced to know the world by means of his intuition which is, naturally, sensory. He does not strictly need God to know nature. Science works fine by itself."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree knowledge and respect for the gods is key to understanding the universe"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nIs stephan hawking your god?\n>>79\nMan needs God to know anything at all. Science, by itself, cannot justify itself."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>78\n>dead atheist post saying God doesn't exist\nChristopher Hitchens is also dead. So is Carl Sagan.\nA bunch of modern day atheists are also aged or near death because of taking the covid vaccines. If they aren't dead it's because God was merciful."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>4\nAll sings do\n\nCan a child read a sign though? Can a human know just instinctively without being taught? Yes and no"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>10\nThis is very true\n\nYou become more rational if you stablish morality and the existence of a higher dimension than what the eye can see"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>13\nLogically speaking there is a ton of evidence God exists\n\nYou can do your own research\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93cqR-nwI8s [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you’re watching a kino your pal Dirk\n>its a really mushy love scene\n>”fast forward this shit, Dirk.” You say\n>”U-uh actually I kind of l-like these parts” he says\n>”Lol you like these parts, what are you a pussy?”\n>”No, but just look at the tenderness, look at the way they embrace each other. I so badly want that in my life. Can’t you understand anon?”\n>You’re in disbelief. You’ve never seen this side of Dirk before.\n>Dirk’s hands aren’t moving from off his lap, its like he’s trying to hide something.\n>”O-oh wow, look at that passion” he says under his breath. “Bodies in motion, wow”\n>He turns to you slowly, and grabs your hand.\n>you’re in utter disbelief\n>His flustered appearance changes in an instant to one of excitement and joy\n>”The bedroom anon. What do you say?” he says, flashing a Reformed smirk.\nWhat do?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Stone the faggot who made this worthless thread like Yahweh commands"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Is dirk congregationalist or presbyterian?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nCongregationalist and he will be ready to tel you all about it whether you care or not."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWell believe it or not I would like him to tell me about it. Dirk, if you’re here, please explain what the advantages of the one sort is over the other."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I want Dirk to post his torso"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI think congregationalists believe that having a head of churches is unscriptural or something. I don’t know if that’s why Dirk is one I’m just guessing."}, {"id": 8, "content": "so what caused this retard to start spamming dirk threads? did dirk accidentally dox himself?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nKind of."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "explain to me this thing, I know Jesus was Israelite not jew but why Israelites didnt wanted to help Jesus? Were they outnumbered by jewish tribes? What happend to Israelites during Jesus time"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow would they be able to help him? Jesus even told his disciples to not help him when he was arrested"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I think it's because you can't keep telling people there's a magic jew in the sky and expect them to believe it forever. It's pretty much the low IQ who still believe that shit."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Evil people with no fear of God (eg OP the faggot)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn Ireland Catholicism took a hit because the Church killed its own rep with the kiddie fiddling.\n\nWhich is probably why Christfags are celebrating the growth of Christianity in China. Gotta make up the numbers,"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNoticed the decline really started after the pill was introduced into the population, which was something that was paired with both cultural hedonism and nihilism/existentialism."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What caused the great decline in Christianity?\nBoomers"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck kind of evil chart is this where the only label on the Y axis is one point named \"Average\"?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The Cuckoo’s Egg"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">America’s desire — Europe’s fate."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod, America was so based."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Our most eager aviation student! He was going to be lynched for killing a White, but was rescued at the last minute"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Roosevelt prays for peace”: The caption says: “Grant, oh Jehovah, that war does not break out until we can sell weapons again!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">The lion needs a haircut!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">We are holding firmly and loyally to each other"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Take the bones to the kitchen.. They’ll make a good soup!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">For the Stars and Stripes!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">France says: “I can’t help it. Things look black."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">What do you have hidden behind your back, Franklin?” “Our engagement rings."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">You have to trust him, Britannia. He only wants to protect you!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">One eats the other and the Jew devours them all..."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">Nailed down."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">“An ambitious child.” The mother says: “Isn’t he sweet, Reverend? He wants to be an English Soviet commissar when he grows up.”"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Hey Bimbo, look at the funny factories they have here in Europe!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">Pumping blood"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">The fighter for Christianity, surrounded by his managers."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">Have we lost many dollars, Delano?” His reply: “Don’t worry, Eleanor, we are paying only in human lives."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">The Allies"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">March!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">French Culture. “Robbery, murder, racial defilement!”"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">Hey, boys, come with me! If you become a flyer with us you will be able to shoot at White women and children!"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nI find the niglet incredibly funny for some reason."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">America for the ‘Americans’"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Kino"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\n>>8\n>>13\nI've seen people argue that Britain didn't realize getting in to WW2 would be the end of the empire, but these seem to show it was common knowledge that's what would happen."}, {"id": 28, "content": "Very good."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\n>>10\nReal."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting OP\n>tfw America for “Americans” manifested 80 years down the line"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Masonchads won."}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)\n*blocks your path*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">End up in hell\n>win\nPick one."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Seriously tho, I am beyond comprehending the whole reasoning for literally just deciding killing every single professional or even perceived professional could somehow further any Marxist vision of anything. Even Mao wasn't as deluded as to command the explicit execution of all doctors and teachers or people that just \"look smart\".\nHow did they get to this level? Did they really expect to just rebuild a \"revolutionary urban worker\" after erasing from the country all necessary professionals that make cities function?\nThe whole killing a third of his own country goes beyond purging or reeducation on anything, not even Cambodia's worst enemies would have pulled this kind of obliteration."}, {"id": 2, "content": "do not look for reason in marxists. they are the scums of the modern world."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n\"erm actually no one died they were just relocated underground\"\nMarxists are scum."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nYeah at this point I figure, tankies at least are braindead"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Bitch move."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Who benefits?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Woke"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe royals, cause it meant people would accuse them of being Germshits with Germshit sympathies."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid they ever consider any other name for there royal shiterman house? I always wondered"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Like the British royals, the Belgian monarchy ditched its previous surname, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, in 1920 in response to fierce anti-German sentiment after the first world war. The new name – van België (Dutch), de Belgique (French) or von Belgien (German) – means “of Belgium” in the country’s three official languages."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.\n-- Saxe Coburg Gotha"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe world wars era had a ridicous superstitious hysteria and hte of germany. This was only rivaled by the anti jewishness of the medieval period. Was it just a byproduct of the era of nationalism and national exceptionalism?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The London Gazette, Published 17th July 1917, Issue 30186, Page 7119"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBitch move for the timing.\nEdward VII should have done it on the day he was crowned."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nI always forget Belgium is a monarchy"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were right to change their name, since Britons should be ruled by a British monarch. That said, they should’ve kept their titles and taken Hanover at Versailles.\n\nThe real bitch move was denying the Romanovs asylum."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Britons should be ruled by a British monarch\nin that case they should have given the crown away to a british family. Changing your name doesn't change your heritage"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>royals\n>pure anything\nthey're 100% mystery meat mutt\n\nKing Charles III's Great grandparents are\n>George I of Greece\nScandinavian, House of Glücksburg.\n>Grand Duchess Olga Constantinovna of Russia\nRussian, related to the Tsars (which also makes her part German)\n>Prince Louis of Battenberg\n>Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine\nLegitimately German.\n>George V of the United Kingdom\nDebatable, same mystery meat, goes back to French nobles if you go far enough.\n>Princess Victoria Mary of Teck\nAnother actual German.\n>Claude Bowes-Lyon, 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne\n>Cecilia Cavendish-Bentinck\nPure Anglos, authentically English.\n\nEvery European royal is like this, there's no way to distinguish any of them as one nationality."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>George V of the United Kingdom\n>Debatable, same mystery meat\nIsn't this the guy who looks like an identical twin to Nicholas II of Russia?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nKek"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nOf Charles IIIs great grandparents, only the two \"pure Anglos\" weren't majority German. Don't assume they were \"Scandinavian\" or \"Russian\" just because their dynasties ruled in Scandinavia and Russia, because if you look into their ancestry you won't find alot of Scandinavians or Russians, instead you will mostly find Germans."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nTsars themselves go back to the pre-German rulers. Before that, Rurikids. This is what I mean about them being mystery meat. They also have a lot of French blood from marrying French princesses.\nThe point is there's no such thing as a pure royal in Europe, even if you go somewhere you would assume they'd be pure like Japan they intermarried with Koreans."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nEvery single one of Olgas great grandparents belonged to a German dynasty, including Paul I of Russia as from his father onwards the \"Romanovs\" were infact a cadet branch of the Holstein-Gottorps.\nYes royals from all over Europe mixed with each other, but they did so only with people belonging to other sovereign dynasties, and Germany was absolutely packed with sovereign dynasties while other countries would usually only have 1 (and those dynasties were often themselves of German origin) which effectively meant that they would marry Germans more often than non-Germans."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nwow it's almost like they were direct relations or something"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\nThey considered Tutor"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How often did people escape nazi death camps?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "there were no death camps"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever because nazi death camps are fiction."}, {"id": 4, "content": "is that a fucking gervais?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty often if you were /fit/ before the war. The thing is that most of the people sent to camps were average joes that werent strong enough to hop a fense or were unwilling to leave their families behind to do so. So they stuck around till they were weak and frail since most of the killing ramped up a year+ into the camps"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>3\npoltranny cope"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nThings that never happened"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\npost evidence for death camps"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThere are tons of pictures and videos."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nevery single isis attack in the west was fake and there's plenty of pics for those too"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Congregationalism is the consistent application of the fact that Christ is the only head of the church. If scripture is sufficient to inform our church polity, then we cannot tolerate accretions of a hierarchical episcopate and we need to be precise about what actually occurs in the new testament churches.\nWhat is clear is the two offices of elder (bishop) and deacon. There are apparently a plurality of elders in particular churches.\n\nThe burden of proof is then upon the presbyterians to find prebyteries, that is boards of elders, ruling over multiple congregations, rather than elders belonging to a congregation ruling that same congregation.\nThe congregationalist tradition was formalized in the English puritan movement, and uniquely the new England colonies were ahead of old England in its development. See their articulation of it, the Cambridge platform. A minority of the Westminster assembly of divines were congregational but they were sadly outvoted by the presbyterian majority, for reasons we can only assume were colored by state politics. Presbyteries exert more control than congregational associations.\n\nCongregational polity (self ruling churches) is not found exclusively in capital C Congregationalism, Lutherans, pentecostals, and especially Baptists may utilize congregationalism.\n\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Do Congregationalists suck Marin Luther's poopy stained penis as much as you do or is that a personal thing?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "i am an assistant professor of history at a well known university in the usa.\ni no longer believe the holocaust happened as we are told.\nhow did this happen to me /his/ i can't tell anyone"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbeing educated and stupid is nothing new."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">how did this happen to me\n\nSocial rejection."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nLol coping retards"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>insult\nexpected, but maybe consider seeking understanding of people like me, seeking the truth regardless of where it leads you.\nyou might not like what you find!"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Explain to me why Hitler would gas the family of Germans but he would not kill the jews who were rounded up into camps?\nDid Hitler just love jews more than Germans?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI was there when the holocaust happened. You can trust me."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are american, you are inherently stupider and your field there is comparatively inferior in quality in relation to the world so no wonder"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Because it didn't happen, same as most of the bullshit you teach\n>>>/sci/15407022\n\nThe holohoax is just step one you have no clue what they are hiding from you and how deep the rabbit hole goes. If you are ready to continue here is the road map\nhttps://ugetube.com/@bodhi_mantra?page=play-lists"}, {"id": 10, "content": "It's not even a conspiracy that it didn't happen like it was made out to be at first, we know there were no skin lamps and shit like that, but the jews made it a faux pas to mention it outloud."}, {"id": 11, "content": "you ever find it funny how posts like these make a claim for working somewhere important, but never specify what said place is"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of the greatest lies the devil ever told was that degrees and PHD’s are a signs of intelligence or symbols of mastery. You are a living example of this, and it’s one of many damning reflections on modern academia that a clinical, utterly bewildering retard like yourself could not only acquire one, but also go on to prepare new generations in receiving their own. Consider a new career path, your clearly not cut out for the one your in now"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>implying op is actually what he claims to be and not making either a shill thread pretending to be smart, or trolling"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Next read the history of banking. Sorry if you lose your job for this."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nIt’s 99.9% the case that OP is larping about everything, but the general message and implication still stands as far as I’m concerned. Holocaust denialists, Commie apologists and a plethora of other unique and colorful retards have increasingly been coming (almost exclusively sometimes) from academia anyway, so despite OP being a lying faggot I stand by my original sentiment"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Venice was the New York City of the middle ages, there's no disputing it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAn open sewer full of jews and niggers?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNew York never had a republic, never owned the whole coastline from Istra down the adriatic till the egean sea, never had collonies on the crimean, never burned half of constantinopol together with a dosen other citties along the adriatic coast and egean sea, never started wars on one side and finished them on the other, never had a nobility that financialy manipulated half of europe, never had five different standing armies or comanded a navy that could btfo the ottomans\n\nAnd if you start claiming othervise, going into how NY had all those but... ill just have to ask you to cool it with the antisemitic remarks"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nMost importantly NYC did not have Chadrico Dandolo"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n\nreplace niggers with Italians and youre spot on"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All the apostles witnessed his miracles and Saul had a divine vision of Chist yet we the humble people living 2000 years in the future don't deserve the same treatment with these events and actions as a form of proof and legitimacy?\nSeems a bit insane to me."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>living 2000 years in the future\nHe was supposed to return during the same generation."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The Devil is No. 1"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nJewish myth"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe apostles weren't rebel sinners insolently demanding God prove Himself to them as if they had the authority to judge the creator"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.\nSatan is No. 1"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNigger you didn't even study"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nNope, but we're living in the age of pocket cameras you'd expect legit miracles from the over 2billion Christians living on earth let a lone scriptures and books."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nLucifer is No. 1"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>you'd expect legit miracles\nWhy?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHail Iblis"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.\nI am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.\n\nThe Horned One"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>>7\n>>10\n>>13\nHe doesn't exist, he's part of the Jewish myth."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHappy Beltane Blessings\n\nBide the Wiccan Laws we must: In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.\nLive and let live. Fairly take and fairly give.\nCast the Circle thrice about to keep the evil spirits out.\nTo bind the spell every time let the spell be spake in rhyme.\nSoft of eye and light of touch, Speak little, listen much.\nDeosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the Witches' Rune.\nWiddershins go by the waning moon, chanting out the baneful tune.\nWhen the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to her, times two.\nWhen the moon rides at her peak, then your hearts desire seek.\nHeed the North wind's mighty gale, lock the door and drop the sail.\nWhen the wind comes from the South, love will kiss thee on the mouth.\nWhen the wind blows from the West, departed souls will have no rest.\nWhen the wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.\nNine woods in the cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.\nElder be the Lady's tree, burn it not or cursed you'll be.\nWhen the Wheel begins to turn, let the Beltane fires burn.\nWhen the Wheel has turned to Yule, light the log and The Horned One rules.\nHeed ye flower, Bush and Tree, by the Lady, blessed be.\nWhere the rippling waters go, cast a stone and truth you'll know.\nWhen ye have a true need, hearken not to others' greed.\nWith a fool no season spend, lest ye be counted as his friend.\nMerry meet and merry part, bright the cheeks and warm the heart.\nMind the Threefold Law you should, three times bad and three times good.\nWhen misfortune is enow, wear the blue star on thy brow.\nTrue in love ever be, lest thy lover's false to thee.\nEight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.\n\nBeltane Blessings"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n>The Horned One rules.\n\nTED"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nlook up Dalia Knox, she was paralyzed since a child but got healed on camera and can walk now"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n(not to be confused with the porn star)"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLuke 7:28\n>For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.\n\nJohn the Baptist didn't perform any miracles."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would Mussolini feel about anime and femboys?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">anime\nfor kids\n>femboys\nfor degenerates"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBro what I thought they were essential parts of modern third positionism??"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come there were no prominent armed Catalan separatist groups compared to the Basque region? Was Catalonia easier to control?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The whole story of the West since the sixteenth century is that of the forces of cosmic darkness repeatedly prevailing over the light.\n>Dutch Revolt\n>Thirty Years' War\n>English Civil Wars\n>French Revolution\n>American Civil War\n>World Wars\nThe only time the good guys sort of won was in the Napoleonic Wars, but that was a pyrrhic victory at best."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes and? Luke skywalker will save us"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntrue, you forgot to put the siege of vienna and the reconquista btw"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Dutch Revolt\n>>Thirty Years' War\n>>English Civil Wars\nGood guys won each of these"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe Habsburgs and Bourbons were the protagonists of the early-modern period. England's colonists were just bandits who happened upon a goldmine, and later used it to destabilize European civilization; shortly after attempting to commit suicide, as we see now."}, {"id": 6, "content": "If the catholics hadnt destroyed constantinople this wold not even be a topic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Nationalism is codeword for cultural (and often literal) genocide. It not only causes harm to people outside of a country's borders but, more often than not, within it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">croissant"}, {"id": 3, "content": "genocide does not sound so bad when the other option is debt slavery"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCope and seethe, your local shit hole’s dialect deserves to be forgotten by history. Only a United realm can withstand foreign hordes."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Let's say black powder was never discovered and/or adopted. Wouldn't warfare be far less deadly than it currently is today? Sure you can burn down a building, but we've got electricity and fire teams. Hell, during the LA riots most people died from gunshot, not fire (except for 3 and one of them was a dude who fell asleep with a cigarette in his mouth who they included for some reason). 9/11 is what happens when you violently combust tons of jet fuel straight into a steel building, spreading fires on multiple floors and damaging the building's exterior while flying at speeds that greatly exceeded that. But even then we cracked down so hard afterwards that it would be next to impossible for something like this to to happen again the way it did.\n\nEuropeans were already using ballistas/trebuchets/catapults/whatever before the discovery of gunpowder in 9th century AD China (and the spread of it to Europe via Mongol traders along the Silk Road in the 13th century AD).\n\nYou wouldn't have guns, cannons, rockets, bombs (as gunpowder is a low explosive) + shock-sensitive percussion cap / primers or fireworks without black powder. Before that, you had similar things out of Europe, but none would prove to be as useful later on. How big of a loss with that be anyways? Bp/smokeless has no applications except for guns. Some examples of the thermal weapons used before guns ever entered the picture would be Greek fire, flaming arrows, clay and glass grenades found from Byzantinian Syria and so on. The chinks however gave us a bit more than any of us could've ever bargained for."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit would be more deadly because now you have both armies fighting face to face. one person can kill 7 people with a bomb, but one person can not kill 7 people. you would need 7 people fighting against 7 people to have the best chance of winning. that can lead to more than 7 deaths"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The alleged \"genocide\" claim comes from a leftist jew in the 1990s. Belgium didn't kill ten million negroes and cut their hands off during a labor shortage. It's unlikely there was even a population of ten million. What really happened was some Belgian officers didn't keep their negro troops on a tight enough leash so they chimped out and killed a bunch of other negroes. Maybe a hundred or so but not ten million. That's just what happens when negroes aren't kept in line. Investigations by the French and Belgian governments, and the press at the time said as much. There was no allegation of genocide, they said you have to keep your negroes in line."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Natufian levels in Israeli jewish populations"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased yemenite kike"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Ethiopians are not jewish"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTrue. They are Israelitish."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>e1b1b\n>60% natufian\nUnironically more jew than ashkenazis"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Based yemenite kike\nThey look nordic"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nNo they are just regular niggers\n>>5\nNot even and I'm am e1b1 ashkenazi"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is such a retarded model. Pinarbasi is half Natufian so it hides most of their Natufian ancestry. You can literally use the the same dishonest method to pretend that Ethiopians have no Natufian ancestry."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nAHG is less Natufian than later anatolia_n."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>8\nHow much natufian normal yemenis have?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWHG is missing int his model"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nAround the same."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNatufian amount is seems too high due to lack of anatolia in the model"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n>>8\n>>12\n>Haplogroup E1b1 present at lower frequencies in the Middle East, Palestine (20%), Lebanon (17.5%).\n>Even niggers from sudan and somalia have more Natufian-like ancestry than palestinians/lebanese\n\n\nHow did natufians got cucked so hard?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe arab man falls flat in the sight of the african BVLL…"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nbut also this model is terrible"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nSemitic E1b1b elites mass-enslaved J churkas which adopted the language of their semitic masters"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>8\n>>12\nnow compare with Palestinians"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\nchecked ?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>Even niggers from sudan and somalia\nThey have Afroasiatic fathers. They are not sub-Saharan."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nPrettty much. Semites ruled as elites in the Middle East but spread as a tribe in Africa."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Massive famine\n>In the middle of a massive heatwave and drought\n>Daily riots and protests and clashes with the police\n>On the verge of massive civil war\n>Housing market dead, economy bleeding out\n>No semiconductors due to sanctions\n>Investors and factories moving out\n>Demographics are terminal\n>Increasingly isolated in the world stage, no allies\n>Entire villages/cities going dark, with all their valuables stolen and all the residents missing\n>millions of people are fleeing the country every day\n>critical infrastructure is crumbling, nuclear reactors are on the verge of meltdown\n\nChina is in the end stage terminal collapse stage. They won't exist by 2030. Their collapse will be a net benefit for humanity"}, {"id": 2, "content": "history and humanities"}, {"id": 3, "content": "they will just invade taiwan and when america fails to protect taiwan it will be americas suez canal moment when they realize they are no longer number 1"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Their collapse will be a net benefit for humanity\nTrue, IP thieves unironically stagnated progress more than the money lost to African aid."}, {"id": 5, "content": "fucking faggot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok but they won in chess ever considered that?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "kys\n>>>/int/181302689"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nHow will they invade Taiwan if they collapse?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nbecause they arent going to collapse\n\ni know this is a shitpost but im actually watching an interesting video about this whole thing right now\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLTUMIR4jg [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nThere is next to zero chance China wins because it will never be the US v China.\n\nIt's going to be, officially\n>US\n>NATO\n>UK\n>Australia\n>Canada\n>Japan\n>S. Korea\n>Filippines\n>India\nThey are fucked."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAdditionally, almost all of those countries have better equipment and training than China. Australia especially is a major underdog."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nChina is similar to Russia in that their only real advantage is that they have numbers and nukes and Russias proven that the whole “keep throwing men at it” doesn’t work so really all they have is nukes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nChina doesn't stand a chance. It's basically about whether the Taiwanese people are willing to turn their peaceful country into a battlezone to remain independent or not. Currently they are leaning towards it not being worth it despite their hatred for mainlanders. A lot will change, however, due to the withdrawal of industry in both areas. Chinese companies lost 220 billion USD in profits due to US withdrawal since 2022 alone. TSMC is building fabs on other continents. Considering it's 96% owned by foreign retailers that's a death knell to the Taiwanese middle class. My prediction is that the Taiwanese youth, upper class and technical expertise will have emigrated by then making the island especially worthless.\n\n>>9\nChina is not gonna collapse in 2 weeks, but 2 decades. Imagine dealing with a demographics crisis worse than Europe, but with a GDP per capita worse than Poland. They could just avoid collapse by starving their old people again like they did in the 90s of course, but either way the growth is gone.\n\nThey ran out of time to escape the middle income trap. For this reason Xi no longer cares about the economic policy, but solidifying the power of the party and modernising the strategic and tactical missiles stockpile.\n\nBasically they are set to turn into what Russia is today."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nchina has 20 nukes"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nOnly America has a real nuclear advantage. They've been tracking every single nuke produced or moved since the 70s while the others were much too late in the intelligence part of the space race so America has some hidden warheads."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do people even watch YouTube 'historians'? Not only do they all admit that they are uni drop-outs or didn't go, but they also never cite their sources (primary texts, academic books and journals) because it all comes from wikipedia.\n\nThe only one who I know that cites is Atun Shei, but he's not a historian either.\n\nIs this yet more evidence for the FACT that right wingers are incapable of academia? Conservative YouTube 'historians' and alternative archaeology peddlers are all grifters. The sheer level of irony these cunts have to go on to their conservative fanbase about the 'woke left rewriting history' but then none of them even mention that the right also rewrites history for their agenda. All nationalism is manufactured, the majority of traditions are manufactured for nationalism. History is manufactured.\n\nWhere are the centrist historians and archaeologists on YouTube who are only interested in facts and not tribalism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey Pal, Did you just blow in from stupid town?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I guess it's accessible. Could be a good way to get started, at least if they don't totally butcher the history killing the viewers interest."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNo. Prove me wrong slick."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRight wing and left wing YouTube “historians” are both retards. It’s less of a right or left issue and more of a retard issue."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nzoomers don't read books"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">this /pol/ bait thread is going to reach bump limit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nI know a leftist activists and I'm like 99% sure he gets his seething powers consuming supposed far right stuff. It's like ying and yang. All while hardly nobody gives a flying fuck about the real problem makers, it's little alarming."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>It's /pol/ because you can't discuss the anthropology behind grifting politics and nationalism in a digital space or academic integrity on the board for academics.\nUhhhh"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Any of the quality ones put sources in the description shitlord"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Gandhi is the most well known one, but I’m curious about the less well known activists. Violent, non violent, feel free to share whichever ones you find notable."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Adolf Hitler"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI mean actually Indians/pakis/whatever, people who had some stake in India beyond fucking their enemy over."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is world peace possible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot while foreigners exist"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Season two is in production, major league swag out."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nofc not"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe after WW3"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat faggot WP symbol is a satanic emblem.\nThere's only one sign that embraces World Peace and LOVE."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nhippies for jesus"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Who found the symbol of peace?\nThe symbol has a clear history, and its origin is not controversial.\n>Peace sign was designed by Gerald Holtom for the British Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in 1958.\n\"Christians for Nukes\" hate it."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nJesus Freaks are satanic."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nNigger, not everything is satanic you retard."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIs life upside down death?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would require one superpower to achieve global supremacy. Only realistic scenario for this to happen is through war and that defeats the purpose."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n\nFucking kek\nJust checked it, the explanation is its combination of semaphore signs, N for nuclear and D for disarmament, which 'equals peace'\nBut nuclear disarmament would not have equaled peace, without nukes the cold war would of gone hot in like four years time"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nCucks for Nukes"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica had peace until faggotry and gays fucked it up."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nDilate"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they legalized murder wars would stop. Humanity is not comparable with civilization."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. but only for like 10 seconds tops."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnever until magic death pill is legal and free everywhere"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nNukes for Cucks"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>America has been gay since the 1790s"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. World \"peace\" means everyone must think the same way, and give up their aspirations, freedom such as it is, and identities for the Common Good, and there isn't any."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWorld peace will turn everyone into soulless NPCs that think and say the exact same stuff. There must be conflict and strife, at least on an ideological and intellectual front."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>10\n>>16\n>>20\n>>22\nonce religion is gone peace on earth will be at hand."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>atheist\n>peace\nAtheism leads to the most senseless, barbaric destruction of everything that makes civilization remotely sustainable. Kill yourself."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo because the cause of wars are sociopathic leaders which is something that will NEVER go away"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Behold, the true successor of the Roman Empire"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo true.\nDirect descent from magnus maximus.\nDid the kings of gwynedd even trace themselves to magnus maximus?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhave you ever visited north wales?\n\ngwlad braf ydy gymru\n\nbut it's not fkn roman lmao. absolute tacitus tier gene levels"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nProbably some joke about medieval welshmen larping with magnus maximus. Romano-britons were all in modern day england and were relatively short lived. Kind of wish some of them endured in a secluded shithole village somewhere."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's not USA"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI am unironically able to predict the genetic background of pretty much anyone i've met in the UK on meeting them. lots of welsh are irish, many of them are of an identical breed to cornwall, and there's some mystery celtic meat in there too. I met one welshman once I got very excited about, a university lecturer who I thought may have been Roman but no, italian mother sadly\n\nmind you, all of the king arthur stuff was invented by normans to drive a wedge between celts & saxons a la divide et impera"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\ndon't get me started on how many proud \"scots\" are actually angles also"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nMeeting a roman phenotype in the isles would be a machenian experience.\n>all of the king arthur stuff was invented by normans to drive a wedge between celts & saxons a la divide et impera\nWhat makes you think that? I've seen some decent arguments as to why arthur might have existed. But I'm not talking about arthur. Who might've been a legit briton. I speak of the romano britons like this guy.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus\nBefore they got wiped."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGo back to /brit/"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRoman rump/splinter states are such a fascinating subject."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt really is. Even if they usually go like:\n\"ROME LIVESSS\" Said gaius augustus bonifacius ultimus romanorum king of 3 villages from 571 to 573 until retarderic of shitfuckia defeated him."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nAll the medieval kingdoms of Wales had their monarchs claiming they were the descnedants of Magnus and a supposed Welsh princess, Elen."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>TFW romano african culture and language is lost forever\n>TFW Cartaghe was destroyed for good\nGreatest crime against kino arabs ever did"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nWell, by all account San Marino is one of these bumfuck rural towns that claimed uninterrupted indipendence since the days they were a roman municipalia. But unlike all the others they somehow survived."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe wuz round table n’ sheeit"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\n>absolute tacitus tier gene levels\nWhat the hell does that mean?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nno idea man.\nCaptcha: ADDNAY"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts all looney doge tier giberish. I honestly tought it was a made up map made to look as stupid as possible\n\n>holyhead\n>gwynedd\n>conwy county\n>snowdon/snowdonia\n>Pwllheli\n>betws-y-coed\n>former clwyd/gwynedd border\n\nJust endless retardation\nEven anglesey island looks like a retard smiling head with holy head on forehead.\n\nJesus"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n\n>t. Proud resident of Bumblescum, Moosefuck County, Arkansas"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe've been over this."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nNo, Kingdom of Gwenyyd trace it to Cunedda (ius uxori) heir to Londinium, Stradwen. Gwenydd was usurped ~ the Great Conspiracy by Caswallon Law-Hir cuz Christianity, only for his son to convert and repent.. The sigil of the true successor is even more OP than Maelgwns."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\ncorrection pardarn, cuddedda's grandfather, would have been heir (ius uxori) to london. These auxillary roman-gallos only wanted to practice christainity in union with greater Roma"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>>22\nstill funny to think everyone wanted in on that Rome larp."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nDUDE JUST BECAUSE YOU SAVE MUSCLY RUGBY PLAYERS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE A CELTIC\"\"\"BVLL\"\"\" JWUST A LARPER. DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE ON A MONGOLOID BASKET WEAVING BOARD YOU INCEL. YOUR JUST A SKINNY WHITE BOI HOMOSEXUAL"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nHuh?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nwhat larp are you reefering too dude"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\npretending to be heir to the roman empire."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\ntake your idiosyncrasy back to whatever board you come from. this is /his/ dim witt."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI am a native of /his/ you are just an idiot,"}, {"id": 30, "content": "what do you belief then huh you cant be a roman successor if your mother was a gael?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nDescent from a Roman emperor pretender is descent from a Roman emperor regardless."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">was in good health\n>wrote his plans to remove Jews from the country\n>suddenly dies of a stroke\n>Lavrentiy Beria (a Jew) prevented doctors from helping Stalin\nquite a few coincidences here"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">falling for propaganda trying to make soviet union look bad but thinking it's a good thing\nwhy do chuds do this?\nanyways, there's 0 proof for anything like that going to happen"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeria was his fellow Kartvelian thoughbeit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>people use antisemitism as a weapon against us!\n>Jews aren't actually a problem though despite the fact that all the Jewish organizations are agreeing with our enemies\nYou'd think at some point you'd realize that these Jewish organizations with the capacity to smear any person they choose are a problem in of themselves."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\ncertain people were executed for doing things that he was doing, which is why he became paranoid"}, {"id": 6, "content": "His closest political ally died shortly before.... After being received by jewish doctors."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we cook your meals\n>we patch your wounds\n>we guard you while you sleep\nThere won't be any investigation. Do not fuck with us."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like bullshit but i believe it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Lavrentiy Beria (a Jew) prevented doctors from helping Stalin\nLavrentiy Pavlovich Beria was born in Merkheuli, near Sukhumi, in the Sukhum Okrug of the Kutais Governorate (now Gulripshi District, de facto Republic of Abkhazia, or Georgia, then part of the Russian Empire). He grew up in a Georgian Orthodox family; his mother, Marta Jaqeli (1868–1955), was deeply religious and church-going (she spent much time in church and died in a church building). Marta was from the Guria region, descended from a noble Georgian family, and was a widow before marrying Beria's father, Pavle Beria (1872–1922), a landowner in Abkhazia, from the Mingrelian ethnic subgroup.[8][9]\n>>wrote his plans to remove Jews from the country\nfake"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>wrote his plans to remove Jews from the country\nredpill us"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>His closest political ally died shortly before\nWho are you talking about? Molotov and Kaganovich were the absolute ride-or-die Stalinists and they lived into the 1980s. Voroshilov, Mikoyan, Malenkov also lived a very long time. Important guys who died before Stalin like Zhdanov or Kalinin died 1948/1946, many years away from Stalin's death. Otherwise I have absolutely no idea who you could mean."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nop is schizo but its obvious beria killed stalin after stalin was about launch one last purge. he even sent molotov's wife to siberia for suggesting that israel should be formed in crimea."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>was in good health\n\nalso stalin suffered from bad health long before ww2. he spend lotta time in exile, in siberia. he worked long times."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-cosmopolitan_campaign"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>During the postwar years, Beria supervised the establishment of communist regimes in Eastern Europe and chose their Soviet-backed leaders. Starting in 1948, Abakumov initiated several investigations against these leaders, which culminated with the arrest in November 1952 of Rudolf Slánský, Bedřich Geminder and others in Czechoslovakia. These men were frequently accused of Zionism, \"rootless cosmopolitanism\", and providing weapons to Israel. Such charges deeply disturbed Beria, as he had directly ordered the sale of large amounts of Czech arms to Israel.\n\nHuh, why was he so intent on putting up pro Zionist Jewish puppets across East Europe?\n\nToiling in socialist labor for the goyim and a capitalist Mediterranean ethnostate for the Jews?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">The Doctors' Plot began in 1951, when a number of the country's prominent Jewish physicians were accused of poisoning top Soviet leaders and arrested. Concurrently, the Soviet press began a campaign, euphemistically termed the \"struggle against rootless cosmopolitanism\". Initially, 37 men were arrested, but the number quickly grew into hundreds. Scores of Soviet Jews were dismissed from their jobs, arrested, sent to the Gulag, or executed. A few days after Stalin's death on 5 March 1953, Beria freed all the arrested doctors, announced that the entire matter was fabricated, and arrested the MGB functionaries directly involved.\n\nHuh, interesting"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nCapitalist?\nEver heard of a kibbutz?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\na hippy commune larp does not socialist nation make"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>was in good health"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nAll of Israel was kibbutz. That was not a hippie larp.\nYou are such a repugnant person, imagine not knowing about the doctor's plot in 2023 yet you give your idiotic takes on everything"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>MUH JEWSIH LARP WE WUZ COMMUNIST N SHIET\n\nNo it wasn't it was a welfare state leeching off of western tits and the surrounding palestinans"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWTF I love Jews now"}, {"id": 23, "content": "LOLno. Stalin had been in declining health for years. He had a stroke in the fall of 1945 that he never really recovered from and his mental acuity began slipping during the second half of the '40s."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>14\nBased Stalin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "As we all know, blacks in America were poor slaves and sharecroppers until halfway through the last century. I am interested in aspects of their culture from that period that tend not to be talked about. Of course modern black culture is basically just pure, unadulterated violence and hedonism. What did it used to be like, especially in the American South? Was it as violent then or not? I like blues music and I notice a lot of artists from back then were convicted of killings and stabbings quite frequently. Did black culture have as much violence in it at that time and it just went underreported because nobody really cared about them?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Quote from W.E.B. Du Bois:\n>There can be no reasonable doubt but that there has arisen in the South since the [civil] war a class of black criminals, loafers, and ne'er-do-wells who are a menace to their fellows, both black and white."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nFrom which book?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThomas Sowell said that people use to not even lock their doors in 1940s Bronx neighborhoods. This isn't the south, but there were definitely differences. More religion, more healthy families, etc.."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAlso, for the record, the blues culture wasn't the family friendly one even then. These WERE the degenerates. And a lot of blues immersed itself in Hoodoo shit."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nAsking for a reliable sodd0nturce, in 4chan"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Blacks never had culture, their IQ is too low to formulate any kind of value system. The best of them live out their lives in irrelevancy in the inner cities as mailmen or cashiers, low talent menial positions they're highly suited for.\n\nAs soon as slavery ended blacks stopped working. All across the south there were anti black vagrancy and theft laws. Blacks would roam around from town to town making money through odd jobs, or sometimes theft. The worst of them would rape and murder white women on their quaint farmsteads, lurking in the woods looking for easy prey. This is why lynchings were a thing. Another common pastime was for blacks to get arrested and work in chaingangs, the worst job of which was tunnel digging where they would be forced to load up their baskets with rocks and rubble from gunpowder blasts deep below the mountains, the dust slowly killing them by filling their lungs with cement.\n\nAt some point blacks started working on brothels as musicians which was the only place they could find work because they didn't really care about talent. Here they picked up most of the musical traditions from white people and this is also why black music has always been raunchy, because it's whorehouse music.\n\nAside from that there's really not much to say, blacks dabbled in Marxism, civil rights was mostly about welfare for them, and modern black gangs are leftovers from communist terrorist cells. Oh they also started naming themselves Muslim names because they think they're a list tribe of Israel. And on the topic of naming conventions they purposefully give their kids stupid made up names so they will never succeed"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNegroes need to be kept in line with a firm hand. They're not as bad if trained to obey. \"Yassir, yas massa\" that kind of thing. They're still violent and impulsive by nature but if whites must live with negroes then it is imperative that whites hold the whip hand. Equality is an unnatural lie. Whites are superior and blacks inferior. That's just the way it is. Everyone is better off if we follow the natural order."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>this is also why black music has always been raunchy, because it's whorehouse music.\nRaunchiness has a long, long history in music, including white music."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Of course modern black culture is basically just pure, unadulterated violence and hedonism.\n\nI’m curious about this. Can you explain how I am a violent hedonist?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Buh whypipo"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>Blacks never had culture, their IQ is too low to formulate any kind of value system.\n\nInteresting. I didn’t realize I have no body language, customs, idioms, language, inheritance pattern, spirituality, dress, standard of conduct, traditions, artwork, courtship, manners, beauty standards, death rituals, or ideas of fairness. I guess we are literally the most individually unique race.\n\nLel"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nBeing so stupid collectively that you lack a value system or internal compass isn't rare at all. Actually it's kind of the norm."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nYes."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nOh another thing about black culture is they can never accept responsibility for their actions. This is entirely dependent on their race because even African colonialists learned that most most were compulsive liars and would lie in any way they could to paint themselves as the victim"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nKEK"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Oh another thing about human beings is they can never accept responsibility for their actions. This is entirely dependent on their race because even ancient historians learned that most most were compulsive liars and would lie in any way they could"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt's mostly a subhuman thing, I think most intelligent races know that lying is wrong"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>7\n>The worst of them would rape and murder white women on their quaint farmsteads, lurking in the woods looking for easy prey.\nSometimes they would get hired by farmers and chimp out and kill their wives or daughters.\n\nhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14961070"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nTo add onto that, blacks lack the foresight, number 1, to even tell a good lie. Number 2 is, they lack the intelligence to understand that they have 0 chance of being able to convince somebody of their lie because it was so poorly crafted"}, {"id": 21, "content": "all that raunchy black music came out of white tavern/barroom ditties which originated in England and Ireland as drinking songs or sea shanties. Get drunk and sing about whores with your m8s at the corner pub."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYeah it's not like \"muh dick\" isn't a massive part of black culture"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>5\nBlues was the music of rural Southern blacks while urbanite blacks up north did jazz and pop standards."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nI never said it wasn't. I said most black music was purloined from Anglo white musical traditions and filtered through their less developed sense of tonality."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI think there's a difference between lyrics and musical tradition. Blacks could be using white musical traditions and then make all their music about \"muh dick\", which is more likely that your theory"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>5\nheyheyhey don't put down blues. it's the most B&R genre of music because it says the truth about the eternal vagina."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>>25\nAnatomical jokes and sexual or scatological references in music (and other arts) are as old as the hills. There are even examples from more refined genres."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n\n>Du Bois traced the causes of the disproportional representation of blacks in the criminal justice system back to the improperly handled emancipation of black slaves in general and the convict leasing program in particular"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThis is disingenuous, it's one thing to reference a penis once in a blue moon, it's another thing for all your music to be about penises and cumming"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nIt's also disingenuous to act like there's no difference between lyrics about love or romance and ones that are downright raunchy. The old spirituals don't mention sex at all, obviously."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n\"The old spirituals\" were stolen white pop songs about rosy cheeks that they sung in the fields. Blacks can't blush so why are they singing about rosy cheeks?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>7\n>The worst of them would rape and murder white women on their quaint farmsteads, lurking in the woods looking for easy prey\nOh wait you mean all the times when a white ho was fucking her black bvll while her farmer husband was away in the next town doing errands and then she would feel guilty about it afterwards and yell that she was raped so the nog got lynched?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>13\n>Being so stupid collectively that you lack a value system or internal compass isn't rare at all.\n\nNigga. Everyone values something. It’s impossible not to."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nOkay lets rate \"muh dick\" on a scale with actual values"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>18\n>>20\nLies and deception are what make us human.\n\nTelling the truth all the time is dysgenic. Lies help us tell stories, evade violence, and drive others to behave in ways that benefit us."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nImagine claiming that being a compulsive liar is some sort of virtue"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nyeah you ever seen the Simpsons when Lisa learned that it was better to not let everyone know that the founder of Springfield was actually not a very nice guy?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>29\n1. I’m questioning your sexuality if all the music you listen to is about penises and cumming. Sounds pretty zesty to me.\n\n2. Can you explain what you find so objectionable about the human phallus? For millennia the phallus was a sacred symbol of virility and power."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>>36\nWould you tell your mom about your cheese pizza collection? No you would not."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\n1. Can you define in your own words what values are and why you chose this particular definition?\n\n2. What is your fixation with black men and our sexuality?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nNiggers only thinking about their penis is a looking glass into their dull psyche. They're an almost compeltely emotional creature with no logic, dick feels good = that's all that matters. Similarly drugs feel good = all that matters. There's nothing that can ever be gleaned philosophically from the gibberings of a black"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>36\nIt proves that Stormtards are dumb. You don't for example want to say publicly what we all know to be true about certain races for the benefit of social cohesion and because you might need them as allies or business associates at some point."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>32\n>*smacks lips thoughtfully*\n>yuh honor, either dat bitch a raciss or it wudn’t rape n shit"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>37\nLying for absolutely no reason is silly. But I bet my bottom dollar you’ve told a lie today to make someone feel better, make yourself look better, or to attack someone you don’t like.\n\n>>38\nPretty much. Truth is overrated. Dreams can often be superior to and enhance reality."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">To the beat poets of the 1950s, black America was a countercultural symbol. Blacks were free, feral, and unchained by white social mores and decorum, as they saw it.[3]"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>42\nsome can achieve human intelligence usually when they're mixed with white"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\n>Lying for absolutely no reason is silly. But I bet my bottom dollar you’ve told a lie today to make someone feel better, make yourself look better, or to attack someone you don’t like.\n\nNo. You shouldn’t bet money if you are a low iq ape incapable of honesty, even with yourself."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>42\n>Niggers only thinking about their penis is a looking glass into their dull psyche.\n\nI’m still perplexed by your fixation on my phallus. I can assure you we think about our penises only a few times per day.\n\n>They're an almost compeltely emotional creature with no logic, dick feels good = that's all that matters.\n\nOn the contrary. A man who is too down bad is a liability. He is susceptible to the whims of women, which implies weakness. Nobody trusts a nigga who is always saying “man, the hoes is just actin weird today”.\n\n>Similarly drugs feel good = all that matters.\n\nBlack people and white people use drugs at similar rates. We prefer depressants while whites prefer stimulants.\n\n>There's nothing that can ever be gleaned philosophically from the gibberings of a black\n\nI strongly encourage you to read the works of Youssef Cisse or Ahmadou Hampate Ba. The initiation texts of the Mandinka and Peul are on par with the Upanishads as far as I’m concerned."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\nPretty much.\n\nStormfags complain constantly about Jewish liars and tricksters but spend a good chunk of their time producing disinformation and misinformation products intended to incite violence and hatred against POC."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nBeing sexually motivated biomass is the bare minimum of existence, the black's celebration of this motivation as one of the key components of thier existence puts them on par with something like an insect or bird. Or hell, a plant. Blacks being unable to articulate anything in the mainstream outside of basic biological impulses is actually massively insulting, but they're too stupid to realize that.\n\nIt's like sentient plants singing about the sun \"yeah we fucking get it, you need the sun for energy, for fuck's sake.\" Eggplant: \"Have you heard of the glory of the sun?\""}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nJudging from your broad pushback I wager that you are on the autistic spectrum. Autistic people have difficulty lying and fail to see the utility. Hence their frequent social failures."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>Being sexually motivated biomass is the bare minimum of existence\n\nAccording to whom? A life spent achieving fulfillment whether it be sexual pleasure, religious absolution, academic or athletic achievement, accumulation of wealth, or otherwise is a life well lived in my opinion.\n\n>the black's celebration of this motivation as one of the key components of thier existence puts them on par with something like an insect or bird\n\nInsects and Birds are among the most remarkable lifeforms we have on earth. Thank you.\n\n>Blacks being unable to articulate anything in the mainstream outside of basic biological impulses is actually massively insulting, but they're too stupid to realize that.\n\nAre we not having rich discourse as it stands right now? What does articulation mean to you?\n\n>It's like sentient plants singing about the sun \"yeah we fucking get it, you need the sun for energy, for fuck's sake.\"\n\nCan you explain what you find so objectionable about nature?"}, {"id": 54, "content": "Blues musicians lived on the margins of respectable churchgoing black society, surrounded by moonshine, dope, whores and gangsters. The f course there were plenty of hypocrites but black Christians took that “no man can serve two masters” stuff seriously and you couldn’t be a bluesman and be a part of respectable society, and there are instances of musicians giving up the blues when they found Jesus. The same was true with white musicians but not to such an extreme. A bluegrass musician can sing a violent murder ballad, a song about moonshine and then a gospel number and no one blinks an eye but bluesman couldn’t have a foot in both worlds."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>no it's totally okay that blacks are morons\nokay"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nI humbly accept your forfeit."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">white people: noooo you can't write music about that\n>also white people:\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk&pp=ygUQbW96YXJ0IGxlY2sgbWljaA%3D%3D [Embed]"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>49\n>I’m still perplexed by your fixation on my phallus.\nTalking like this doesn’t make you sound smart. You come off as a retard trying to overcompensate"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>36\n>Telling the truth all the time is dysgenic\nNo.\npathological lying and the opposite end of the spectrum, pathological truthfulness are both signs of mental illness that are commonly seen in Autism , meth use and low IQ.\n\nAlso some lies and truths can be arguably good and others plain evil.\nFor an example of \"good\" lying.\nIf somebody asks you about the private medical condition of a friend you are justified in lying by saying you simply don't know.\n\nAn example of bad lying.\nYou pretend to have cancer to scam your family out of money for drugs.\n\n>>53\n>According to whom?\nAccording to life itself. In simpler low intelligence mammals all their behavior involves is eating sleeping and sex.\n>Insects and Birds are among the most remarkable lifeforms we have on earth\nInsects are even conscious. They are organic robots. Birds can have beautiful calls and interesting behavior but they are still nothing compared to the Orca, and the orca is nothing compared to humans.\n>Are we not having rich discourse as it stands right now?\nYou're suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.\n>Can you explain what you find so objectionable about nature?\nHe doesn't object to nature. He just thinks there is more to life than talking about your fucking dick every day. Why are you so mentally incapable of understanding the most obvious of things?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>Insects are even conscious\nshould be \"aren't even conscious\""}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>50\n>>43\nObvious samefagging is a sign of mental illness anon."}, {"id": 62, "content": "so back in the day you had the \"good clean middle class\" black musicians like Ella, Satchmo, Duke Ellington, Ink Spots that were ok for white people to listen to and then that kind of seedy blues underworld that existed in brothels and barrooms.\n\nhttps://www.getintothis.co.uk/2017/10/top-10-rudest-blues-songs-ever/"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>50\n>disinformation and misinformation products intended to incite violence and hatred against POC.\nLike what"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>8\nCouldn't be truer."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>59\n>>60\nNow you’re just being obtuse."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>Now you’re just being obtuse.\nLol, do you even know what obtuse means?\nHow fucking stupid are you anon?\nBeing compared with an insect is an insult, not a compliment. Nobody should have to explain any of this to you. You are freakishly stupid."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>11\nEveryone about non-whites in the occident is always in relation to white people, never on its own merit."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nIsn't this kind of a stupid tangent to apply in a thread about African Americans, as they very much lived and still live in a white dominated society and culture that have influenced them since their arrival?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>12\n>I guess we are literally the most individually unique race.\nDas rite bruddah, that anon really opened my eyes. Just burned all my traditional/religious clothing and symbols, quit my job, threw out my college degree, switched exclusively to speaking ebonics, and raped 3 white women whilst having a mouthful of fried chicken. Embrace the true African traditions mah nigga. BIX NOOD."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nDilate"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nKkkrakkkas maldin\nWhy y'all yt bois so fragile?"}, {"id": 72, "content": "ok"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>unknown\nNot an argument. You lost."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is there this insistence on making English speakers pronounce foreign words \"properly\" when we are speaking our own language? Why do Iranians get butthurt when we don't say \"EE-rawn\" or Italians with \"broosketta\" or \"moozarell\" (obviously there are endless examples of this). We've already made endless concessions with our naming conventions with respect to foreign sensibilities, and how dare us if we ever berate them on their pitiful pronunciations of our words..."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI say Eyrahn"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nno you dont."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nEyrahneean is what i say"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>moozarell\nThis is an add one because it isn't even how most Italians pronounce mozzarella."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI think it's present in southern italian dialects, or sicilian/neapolitan language, but either way that's who came to America in large numbers. I could be wrong but I don't care because I speak English, so pronounce it \"suck my ass\"."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSure, but unless your family is from that region and that's how you grew up saying it, it's a bit of an odd one to use. It's weird to go out of your way to use a dying regional dialect for a foreign loanword when the mainstream pronunciation is much closer to the standard pronunciation in that language."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThen it would probably stand to reason that in the example the people that I am disparaging for bitching about English speakers pronunciation are from that region? I am from NY, in my neighborhood there are or WERE lots of Neapolitans and my mother went to a culinary school that was ran by one, and she participated in the meme, and it irritates me."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>I am from NY\nSo you're a dirty kike?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNo, I'm half Greek half whatever british American bullshit and am exhausted by 4chan adults with a 12 year old's simple conceptualization of demographics."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nJew York is gay"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Yeah it's pretty weird. Asian-Americans will scoff if you pronounce Beijing \"Bay-shing\" when speaking English, meanwhile Mr. Wang from China calls New York \"Nyu Yue\" in HIS language, and if you mocked him for it for one he wouldn't even begin to understand why (understandably), meanwhile the aznidentity crowd would try to have you cancelled or whatever.\n\nThere's a lot of weird stuff like that, another one (not related to pronunciation, but another case of foreigners trying to impose their own linguistic conventions on us) is the whole \"issue\" around asking Koreans whether they're from North or South Korea. South Korean travellers abroad have apparently decided this is raciss for two reasons: one, \"everyone knows\" all Koreans abroad are from South Korea so this is apparently a mocking joke, and two, South Koreans are irritated by even the use of the terms North and South Korea, because in South Korean usage, they are 북한 and 한국 respectively (literally \"North Korea\" and just \"Korea\", which ironically enough from one perspective could be seen as disregarding the identity of North Koreans)."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nhaha! yep! thats fucking funny and TRUE hahaha damn."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHalf of English language is made of badly pronounced French words anyway"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nAgree, what's worse with Chinese is they scoff so often at any pronunciation of words of chinese origin with 0 consideration that a lot of the dumb sounds in their phonology exist in only one major language, and yet fail miserably at pronouncing the words common in their HOST country."}, {"id": 16, "content": "Why do angloids pronounce \"penis\" as \"pee-nus\" instead of the more logical \"pay-nees\"?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nExcellent take! Go back to playing out your power fantasy in CK2 with cheats on and try to stay out of semi-serious discourse since you're retarded."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">Akilis\n>Playdough\n>Geezas\n>Siserow\n>Knee Row\n>Jewlius\n>Dayvid\n>Eye Zack\n>Zoos\n>Yurop\n>Hurr Cue Lease\n>Tie Beerius\n>Cashews\n>Mark Anthony"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nYeah awesome itemization of how we Anglicize Latin, Hebrew and classical Greek! Bet you say all of those names no where close to the way Latins, Joos, and Greeks did during their time. You're an actually stupid person who doesn't realize just how stupid he is and it's tragic lol."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is there this insistence on making English speakers pronounce foreign words \"properly\" when we are speaking our own language?\nBecause non native-English-speakers are sore losers and butthurt."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>Excellent\nbadly pronounced French word\n\n>power\nbadly pronounced and written French word\n\n>fantasy\nbadly pronounced French word\n\n>C(rusader)\nbadly pronounced and written French word\n\n>cheats\nbadly pronounced and written French word\n\n>stay\nbadly pronounced and written French word\n\n>serious\nbadly pronounced and written French word\n\n>discourse\nbadly pronounced French word\n\n>retarded\nbadly pronounced French word"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Protip: it's only AYYYYAHMWAHKINOVAHEYA-Americans who give a fuck about this kind of thing."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Excellent\nPhonetically improved French word\n>power\nPhonetically improved French word\n>fantasy\nPhonetically improved French word\n>C(rusader)\nPhonetically improved French word with a better spelling\n>cheats\nPhonetically improved French word with a better spelling\n>stay\nPhonetically improved French word with a better spelling\n>serious\nPhonetically improved French word with a better spelling\n>discourse\nPhonetically improved French word\n>retarded\nPhonetically improved French word\n>FTFY Pierre (which is just a poorly produced and spelled form of Peter when you think about it)"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nMost languages adjust spelling to fit the original pronounciation, English does the opposite, borrows the spelling verbatim then utterly butchers pronounciation."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>12\nThey get this sense of entitlement because we invite them to our countries en masse and adjust our laws around them. There's nothing shocking that their puny minds would expect us to learn specific phonemes for every single loan word just to make the natives of the respective languages they're from happy. You can get a feel of this entitlement when you call them out for not understanding your sentence on this website. Instead of apologising, they're start insulting you calling you \"anglo\" and whatever else. Who knows why they feel the need to come to anglophone websites so much when they hate us, maybe they know deep down that our language is superior to their ugly dialects of Latin and Chinese.\nTo them, we're not the hosts when they come to the west and anglophone communities, we're their servants.\n\n>>24\nThat's what sets UK apart from the rest of Europe and why it's so special. They also resist the metric system. Curiously despite its history in metrification the French language is the only language that doesn't do it.\n\nJapanese also does something much more retarded with kanji but you never complain about that, strange isn't it?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause foreigners insist on proper English pronunciation themselves.\n\nNow go and return the favor."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\n>I think it's present in southern italian dialects\nLmao no, italian americans can't speak southern dialects at all.\nTheir grandparents maybe could, but the average terrone wouldn't understand anything a italian american tries to tell him and viceversa."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust like Erdogan and his hissy fit about Turkey"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\n>Een nominay patray, eht feelee, eht speeruhtuhs suhnctee, ey-men.\n>Glow-ree-yuh in uhk-seell-suhs day-oh.\n>Ah-vay Muh-ree-yuh.\n>Core-puhss Crees-tee\nAnd my favorite.\n>Day-yews Vewlt."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We've already made endless concessions with our naming conventions with respect to foreign sensibilities\n>why do people expect us to take our own self imposed behaviour seriously instead of half assing it?\nGee nigger I don't know.\nYou should have stuck to giving your own name to foreign shit like everybody else does. No one appreciates hearing their own language misused."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nThey don't speak English properly themselves and we have the right to pronounce anything we want in our own language"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nJapan calls our language \"eigo\" and I couldn't care at all. Your parent shouldn't have spoilt you when you were a kid."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nLolno you havent been in an English class in thirdie world. They do.\n\n>Your own language.\nIs a mutt language to start with."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIn my old job I had to deal with third worlders every day and I couldn't understand it. Especially look up Indian pronunciation of English. Your argument is incorrect anyway because you're conflating speaking a foreign language to naturalizing a word from a foreign language into English.\n>Is a mutt language to start with.\nThen stop speaking it. Stop speaking the stupid mutt language. Stop speaking to the stupid anglo people. Stop entering our countries and demanding things from us."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>Japan calls our language \"eigo\" and I couldn't care at all.\nYeah, that's exactly my point you fucking retard. Nobody cared when anglos called Livorno \"Leghorn\" or La Coruna \"The Groyne\" because most languages just create their own bastardization of foreign words, that's normal and nobody minds.\nI bet you'd care if japs came up to you saying you speak eigo and expect you to know what the fuck they're talking about and accept their pronunciation as valid english though."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nAmericans are not Anglos"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>No one appreciates hearing their own language misused.\nNo you said the above. Japan has the right to call my country ei and our language eigo.\n\n>I bet you'd care if japs came up to you saying you speak eigo and expect you to know what the fuck they're talking about and accept their pronunciation as valid english though.\nLike how we call Japan Nippon sometimes they sometimes call English ingurisshu sometimes anyway so that probably wouldn't happen, but I understand your point. I'd just ask them what eigo means and then once I figured out it means English I'd tell them that's what we call it. No need to cry, no need to get offended, and definately no need to demand a change in their language. I've spoken to Japanese tourists before and they were amused by my awful Japanese as I was at their English."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nThen why do third worlders blame anglos for the Veitnam war and etc.? Whatever I'm done trying to understand you. I am English, by the way"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nBeats me, Americans are 3rd worlders themselves. Any larger American city looks like fucking Lagos these days."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nThat's genuinely a very retarded argument by the way, no anglophone learns Japanese and but then says Japanese instead of nihongo when speaking it. We use our own words when speaking amongst ourselves in our own language."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nIt feels like you're missing the point on purpose.\nIf you go out of your way (of your own volition, foreigners don't give a fuck) to use words in other languages and fail to pronounce them properly, but still expect foreigners to accept your failure as proper pronunciation and get mad when they laught at you (see: this thread as an example), you're a fucking cunt and deserve the mockery you will receive.\nIf you just bastardize foreign words for your own use and don't expect foreigners to accept them as part of THEIR language, nobody cares. Nobody ever cared. Nobody will ever care."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>29\nYeah Latin is a pretty disgusting language"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nThe issue here is the double-standard.\n\nChinese for example would be baffled and possibly offended if we scoffed at the way they pronounce imported words fron English in their language (\"Mey\" Guo, \"Ying\" Guo, \"Nyu Yue,\" \"Lwundwun,\" \"Dow-boo-lin,\") and yet the Chinese government for example actually threatened a London \"Times\" journalist with not having his visa renewed because he insisted on continuing to refer to the Chinese capital as \"Peking\" against their wishes."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>37\nYeah, it's hard to even imagine an American or Englishman correcting a Japanese for using the word \"Maku Donarudo\" or \"Ba-ga\" WHILE SPEAKING JAPANESE, and yet some Asians and especially Asian-Americans will insist on correcting the way Westerners pronounce the words for Asian things, even when it's a well established loan word with an age-old established pronunciation. Sometimes even especially then, because there's this idea that because it's a more common word, you \"should\" learn how to say it correctly."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>18\nThis is all normal, German or French speakers also have their own pronunciations for these names which are entirely different from the original Greek or Latin or Syriac.\nOP is right, why do retards think this is \"le dumb Anglo\" thing? The English pronunciation for Caesar comes from the French, they also use soft Cs.\nHell, even in ITALY they pronounce Caesar differently from Latin"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>24\nNo they fucking don't lol.\nJesus's name is not pronounced \"Yeshua\" in Italian, French, Spanish or Portuguese...\nLikewise, \"David\" sure as shit ain't pronounced like the original Hebrew in almost any European language."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\n>If you go out of your way\nYou mean speak our language normally? As I said, Japan has the right to call England ei if they want, I don't really care. It's their language. I don't care if foreigners laugh at me for speaking normally, I care that they demand we change our words to suit them.\n\n>don't expect foreigners to accept them as part of THEIR language\nNo anon, we do that when speaking English. I don't expect foreigners to accept English as their language."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>30\n>You should have stuck to giving your own name to foreign shit like everybody else does.\nOh right, that explains why Russian month names are literally just mispronounced French names for the months."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nThat's exactly the point we're making, ESLs in this thread are intentionally trying to obscure it and make it a thing of us forcing something on foreigners."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>43\n>The issue here is the double-standard.\nI don't see the double standard. Do you think the chinks would have been any different with a non anglo journo? I fucking doubt it. The chinks behaving like cunts isn't new, and it's definitely not something exclusively aimed at anglophones lmao.\nOr are you referring to me? I never said you ought to be using whichever pronunciation and spelling the chinks want you to, I just said that when you use your own, you're using english and not the original language that word comes from, so don't pretend you're speaking mandarin when saying Peking, or italian when you say gabagool, etc.\n\n>>47\n>You mean speak our language normally?\nYou're not speaking your language normally if your society is pushing its members to use foreign names instead of localized ones.\nThe very reason this thread exist is because you feel like you're being held to a double standard, but it's a double standard you've largely forced upon yourself, not something caused by others.\nI mean I sure didn't come up with the Kyiv bullshit, and the hohols definitely aren't in a position to push it. Yet you're all being forced to use Kyiv. Fuck are you blaming the rest of the world for?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>don't pretend you're speaking mandarin when saying Peking, or italian when you say gabagool, etc\n\nEssentially no-one does this, and beginner Anglphone learners of Chinese or Asian languages don't particularly or any more wilfully butcher the native pronunciations of those languages, anymore than beginner learners generally of any language anywhere."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>Do you think the chinks would have been any different with a non anglo journo? I fucking doubt it.\n\nActually, they were. French, Japanese and other non-Anglo journalists continue to refer to the Chinese capital as \"Pekin\" and receive no pushback, this is ironically the very best example of Anglos being targeted for this shit."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\n>it's a double standard you've largely forced upon yourself\n\nExplain."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nNo one has ever pretended that they're speaking Mandarin when they say Peking, or Beijing for that matter, what are you talking about?\n\n>Chinese using their bastardized pronunciation of English names is okay\n>English using their bastardized pronunciation of Chinese names is not okay\nThat's a double standard\n\n>but it's a double standard you've largely forced upon yourself,\nIt's not, for example the Turkish government is demanding we call Turkey their own name because they don't like being associated with what used to be their own export. They still call England their own name. They're forcing this on us.\n\nAnd you didn't even read the reply I was replying to, that user was trying to argue that we need to pronounce words right in our language and if we don't they should be angry or laugh at us."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>Essentially no-one does this\nLmao it actually happens a lot but it's mostly an issue of diaspora fags in denial about having lost 99% of their ethnic roots getting mad when they're told they can't speak their ancestors' language for shit.\nAlso sjw who want to be \"culturally sensitive\" but get mad when called out because you've embarrassed them.\n\n>>52\nThen is it really about the spelling or is it just the chinks looking for an excuse to expel that particular guy? Post the article.\n\n>>53\n>Explain\nThere's an example literally below the line you quoted, retard. But to be clearer, the issue in this thread stems from this line: >>1 (OP)\n>We've already made endless concessions with our naming conventions with respect to foreign sensibilities\nYou've already submitted to foreign pronunciations of your own volition. You can't complain when others hold you to what you've said you'd do.\n\n>>54\n>English using their bastardized pronunciation of Chinese names is not okay\nI've literally been arguing the opposite in every post I've made. If someone argues that, I'm disagreeing with them.\nJust so long as you agree that the english bastardization counts as english vocabulary and not whatever language you're bastardizing.\n\n>Turkish government is demanding we call Turkey their own name because they don't like being associated with what used to be their own export\nIt's not being asked of anglophones, they've literally asked the UN to force everyone to do so regardless of language. Cunt behaviour, 100% agree. Not an anglo double standard though."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>46\nThat's because his name was Jesus or Iesous and not fucking Yeshua you judaizer piece of shit\nThe first text that calls him Yeshua is the Babylonian Talmud lmao\n>Likewise, \"David\" sure as shit ain't pronounced like the original Hebrew in almost any European language.\nYes it is"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>Just so long as you agree that the english bastardization counts as english vocabulary and not whatever language you're bastardizing.\nNo one has ever said that it counts as another language"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nhttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/beijing-still-relishes-a-taste-for-peking-1.127318\n\n>The former Governor of Hong Kong, Chris Patten, always used Peking, mainly, it appears, to rub the Chinese noses in it. Certainly it is a loaded term to the Chinese, who take offence when they hear anyone in the English \"establishment\" using the word. Recently, the London Times correspondent in China, James Pringle, was summoned to the Foreign Ministry and told co-operation would be withdrawn if the Times did not stop using Peking. It now uses Beijing.\n\n>\"It's a pity,\" said Mr Pringle. \"In English, Peking is a more aesthetic and a more attractive word, and more evocative. And I pointed out to them that they call our capital `Loon-doon' rather than London.\""}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nWould you be able to tell us how you think David is pronounced in Hebrew?\n\n>That's because his name was Jesus or Iesous\nDo you think that's what he was called in his own language?\nThey still don't pronounce it anything like it is in Greek in the Latinization."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>55\nhttps://archive.is/ltzIL\n\n>HERE is an odd thing. The Chinese government gets quite cross about English-speakers using the name Peking for their capital city, insisting on the more modern transliteration Beijing. It should be admitted that the old, Wade-Giles transliteration [see reader's comment and correction below] is pretty confusing to modern readers, with its Ps that sound more like Bs and so on. The modern pinyin system of transliteration is pretty close phonetically to the original Mandarin. When this reporter lived and worked in Beijing a decade ago, he assumed at first that the hostility was linked to historical resentments about British imperialism, the Opium Wars and what have you. But the French were also active as imperalist foreign devils in their day, and nobody seemed to bat an eyelid when they talk about Pékin. The Spanish are allowed to talk about Pekín and so it goes on."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>55\nWhen actually learning foreign languages, pretty much anyone of any nationality is eager to try and get it right, and is open to criticism. I don't have particular experience meeting \"heritage learners,\" so maybe they do get butthurt and defensive about how they actually suck when trying to speak the language of the old country, I don't know. But even if this is true, I don't think there's any particular phenomenon of ANGLOPHONES in particular of wilfully butchering words from other languages, whether while actually speaking it or as borrowed terms."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n> I don't think there's any particular phenomenon of ANGLOPHONES in particular of wilfully butchering words from other languages,\nI still say Burma instead on Myanmar, and probably the same instead of other made up names. I can do that because it's my own language I speak it the way I want to."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>When actually learning foreign languages\nYeah see this is the point. The diaspora fags get butthurt because they aren't trying to learn the language. They think they already know the language.\nThey just expect others to accept whatever destroyed remnant of the old language they absorbed from their grandparents as proper and correct.\n>I don't think there's any particular phenomenon of ANGLOPHONES in particular of wilfully butchering words from other languages\nMe neither tb h. But I don't feel like they're unduly attacked for it either. They get the same amount of shit everyone else does, no matter op's whines.\n\n>>58\n>>60\n>Some other languages have not followed the new spellings, but for entirely different reasons. Russians for example continue to refer to Pekin, but then in Russian a black person is still a negr, the Russians never having seen any reason to debate issues of political or linguistic correctness in the English-speaking world.\nYeah, this is pretty much what I meant by saying\n>You've already submitted to foreign pronunciations of your own volition. You can't complain when others hold you to what you've said you'd do.\nYou gave them a finger unasked, now they're coming for the whole arm because why the fuck not?\nJust walk it back. Stop kowtowing and soon enough people will stop expecting you to."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>56\n>The circumcized guy from Galilee who was obsessed with Jerusalem and Hebrew Messianic messaging actually had a Greek name bro\nThe fucking mental gymnastics that tradLARPers on this board go through to try and pretend their Religion isn't Jewish at its root.\nWhat's next, you're gonna tell us that \"Paul preaching to the Gentiles\" isn't part of the Bible?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>56\n>That's because his name was Jesus or Iesous\nSo you're proving my point, these languages don't pronounce his name as Iesous. Jesus isn't even pronounced the same way in Spanish and Portuguese, and they're fucking sibling languages."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>50\n>Do you think the chinks would have been any different with a non anglo journo?\nIn my language it is still Peking and no journalist has been called off from China"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nCan confirm. Official business translations here (Brazil) still use Pequim to refer to Beijing.\nI'll concede that the guy has a good point here about English speakers being uniquely targeted."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUntil all of these faggots call my country the United States of America in perfect American English, I will not humor them by pronouncing words to their fancy."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell I speak English, not Iranian or Italian, so I say it the way other English speakers where I live say it. I don't know any Iranians or Italians who can get all pissy with me about pronunciation."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>58\nWhy is \"Hong Kong\" still referred to as such and not \"Shanggang\" or something? The official language of the PRC is Mandarin not Cantonese."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>64\nYoi're a retarded nigger"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>the Latin version\nWow, thanks for proving my point, retard. Jesus didn't speak Latin and his parents sure as shit didn't either."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nHong Kong and Macau get a 50-year reprieve I guess. Maybe one day they will be Xianggang and Aomen respectively, even in English."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nHe spoke Greek and didn't have any parents."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\n>didn't have any parents\nnigga have you ever heard of this girl called Mary?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>broosketta"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>70\nthere's actually debate in Chinese circles about pushing for Xianggang to be the official name. Like how they're trying to push Xizang in their communiques about Tibet."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>21\n>>24\nOP here! Sorry had to go to sleep! You're a special kind of historylet. Badly pronounced French? Let's see.\n>See: Vulgar Latin\n>See: picrel\n>See: whatever the fuck french did when parisian french became the standard language. Do you not know how language works at even a rudimentary level lmao?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>64\n>uh yeah the God is the Father and the Son!\nnot semitic. Gods filling multiple \"roles\" is very compatible IE pantheon.\n>Trans-substantiation\nnot semitic\nIs Christianity semitic at its root ultimately? Yes, but the yoga practiced by white people in Ohio is about as Vedic as the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Christianity as it was practiced in the west really would be almost unrecognizable to early judaic Christianity, in fact several times it is written in the new testament to stop practicing certain rites such as circumcision."}, {"id": 80, "content": "I pronounce Chile like Chile and Iran like Iran.\nI also pronounce German words correctly but that’s because I speak some German"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">b8 thread about word pronunciation immediately devolves into Religitards REEEEEEEing and shitting their pants\nI fucking HATE nu-/his/"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor the same reason an Englishman will laugh if you mistake him for an Irishman but an Irishman will have a conniption if the situation is reversed: an overwhelming sense of inferiority."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nOP here, good answer. Have a great day and thank you for being not a fag."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>75\nJesus descended to Earth in adult form as per the Gospel of the Lord. Mary is a later addition to make him jewish."}, {"id": 85, "content": "Angloids trying to pronounce japanese words is always a riot."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nBoy you should hear the reverse, you'd die."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nyou know you just got btfo'd right? like pajeet, i strongly recommend you acknowledge that guy's reply and backpedal like a good little bitter anti-anglo."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nWhat? Take meds schitzo, I just wanted to mention what I said."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>h-heh i was j-just joking\n>youre weeeeird haha h-heh"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>12\n>pronounce Beijing \"Bay-shing\"\nwhat\n>>1 (OP)\nAnyone, anywhere would insist on this. It doesn't bother me."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>85\nThe way we pronounce tsunami is actually pretty good."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you ask retarded questions? Are you autistic and not help other people pronounce words in your language correctly when they make mistakes?\nAnd why do you insist only English speakers suffer from this?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Buddhism become so popular in the West but not Hinduism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHinduism is the india religion."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAnd Buddhism is the east asian religion"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo its the asia religion. But unlike hinduism ( who were VERY popular among larpers once upon a time.) Buddhists are universalist and actively proselitize"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause you made this up, retard."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>actively proselitize\nDo they? I see Westerners flocking to it without any further impetus needed.\n>>5\nMade up what? That Buddhism is more popular than Hinduism among westerners? It's an objective fact."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\na westerner doesn't want to live just to die and hope haveing a better reincarnation, and will be opposed to the caste system so long as he isn't on top\n\nBuddhism is \"religion\" that allows for Enlightenmen in a life time and only require to abode through philosophical princeiples.\n\none is significantly easier and more \"fair\" that the other in the eye of a westerner"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>a westerner doesn't want to live just to die and hope haveing a better reincarnation,\nBut they can hope efor Moksha no? They don't know if this is their first life and chances are that it isn't.\n>and will be opposed to the caste system so long as he isn't on top\nJust discard it then. Don't they discard Buddhist monk lifestyle as well which was meant to be obligatory if you want to be enlightened?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Hinduism is a culture. You could say there is no religion called \"Hinduism\" really. They call it \"Sanatana dharma\" and it's a way of life. Roughly translated it means \"Eternal way\".\nSo you can scarcely be hindu without living like an indian."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nLet's cut the crap buddy and address the elephant in the room: Hinduism has a Self, Buddhism doesn't. If you pick Buddhism you commit yourself willingly to NPCdom. Surely this must play a role, shouldn't it? Why would narcissistic and individualistic people adopt a philosophy without a Self? It's not just cause Hinduism is Indian, there's a deeper spiritual reason here so I'm getting tired of this anthropological cope."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nirvana enlightenment can be reached in one life time\nMost Buddhist doctrines reject this.\n>only mentions 3 out of the 4 noble truths for some reason\n>\"buddhism is more of a way of life than a religion\"\nthis fucking meme\n>nirvana means enlightenment\nIt quite literally means the opposite, it is \"to blow out [the fire]\".\nI'm not even going to read the Hindu side."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>this fucking meme\nBut it's true."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>But they can hope efor Moksha no? They don't know if this is their first life and chances are that it isn't.\nAs an hinduist, can you know this?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>I'm not even going to read the Hindu side.\nPlease do"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>both believe in reincarnation\n>buddhists don't believe in Self\nWhat reincarnates then?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoo."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nAnd Christianity is a jewish religion from Israel\n\nBuddhism is exportable, its the first world religion where it went from India to Middle East, Central Asia, China, South Asia, SEA, Africa, and Europe before Jesus Christ was even born."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>jewish religion\nnot according to Paul it isn't"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nMakes you think doesn't it? The conclusion is Buddhists dont believe in the reincarnation of the self. The self is created in each new birth, it doesn't reincarnate.\n\nAlso there's a difference in notion of the selfs thats being discussed.\n1) there's \"The self\" that doesn't change, is central to the human existence, like platonic essence or a soul, reincarnates, goes to heaven, moves from body to body, that is something Buddhist deny entirely in its existence.\n2) There's the notion of self that is a composite idea that is sometimes called \"the self\" where we take into account our memory, our conscious activity, our physical body, our given names, our feelings/sensations, and so on. But that idea of \"The\" self is misleading because there's no \"the self\" nor even \"A\" self because the nominal designation for \"self\" is not only a reference to an everchanging/temporal parts, but also those parts themselves are composites which are made up of lower level everchanging/temporal parts. You can change your name, cut off your finger, your arm, your leg, your lower body, your upper body below the neck, your memories are altered each time you access them, your brain matter can be replaced one at a time ala ship of theseus, your brain growth from child hood to adulthood, from single cell zygote to multicellular fetus and so on and on."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhen your reincarnate you don't have the second one because you have no memories and you didn't have the first one because it doesn't exist according to them. So what reincarnates?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nNothing reincarnates from one life to another. Rather there is a connection between this life and next and this life and past life, similar to how we have a connection to our current life and past childhood days through linkage of causal relations where we share memories/bodies/relationships/culture/society/etc. There is a stronger relation within this life due to multiple shared parts, but with the rebirth, the causal relation (also known as karma) is the main one relation. Like billiard ball hitting another billiard ball or a candle lighting another candle, there is a direct causal connection."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHinduism is Jeet Folk religion. And folk religions are impossible to proselytize outwards."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nIt's silly to compare this with your younger self. There are no memories which is what relates your younger self to your present self when you deny the Self. So all that connects you is a causal link which can be reduced to \"if you do bad things, the world will be bad for other people\" since they're not you in any way. It's very silly to say this is reincarnation, it's just other people being born and paying for your mistakes, which is obvious without any religion."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\nYes they do. More than hinduismat keast. My dad still has a book about buddhism he nabbed in korea in the 90s.\n>>17\nMy point exactly. Buddhism is the first truly universalistic faith. Hinduism isn't universalist at all. Its like zoroastrianism insofar as both are organized and complex religions that are not universalistic.\n>>10\nNah man. I think the difference is mostly due to the fact hinduism is irrevocably tied with india (see the fact that all converts to hinduism were in SEA and afghan which for a long time were india influenced in ALL aspects of politics and culture) while buddhism is universaliwtix. Aka you can be a buddhist without being chinese but you cannot be a hindu without being in some way indian.\nBtw its weird as fuck that pre modern buddhism never spread farther west than central asia. Like some wall of faith kept eastern spirituality away until the victorians broke the containment."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nYour younger self or future self. The reason to care is because you you implicitly understand the causal connections. If we know for 100% certain that we'd lose our memory a year from now, how would you react? What about with 100% certain that your body would be swapped as well? What about the language you know to another that you havent even heard of? Or a swap of family? Etc etc. The point is that there is nothing \"special\" about memories/body/current relations/family because these things change even day to day and even almost entirely by the end of your life vs first day of birth. Thus the next logical extension of the next or the causal connection is what really matters, its how we make sense of things. You could say \"its obvious without any religion\", but if that were the case, how come most of the world religion promotes the idea that there's a universal soul? or that that soul survives? or that it is judged by a all powerful god? or alternatively, how come nihilists atheists/materialists consider the notion that causality doesn't exists after death or before death? For that matter, most of the non-religious folks didn't really have any coherent causal causal explanation of what constitutes a human, a self, its relation with causality, its mutability, etc etc. The discussion in the west particularly was either \"there's soul\" vs \"there's no soul\", and not a matter of discussion on the notion of self that the Buddhist are arguing. Even the Hindus that the Buddhists debated for thousands of years minimally acknowledge that the notion of self as a unique essence that gives to our identity such as the body/memory/names/social status/etc are temporal and not an entity unto itself. But they still cling on to the notion of universal soul that they hide behind the notion of consciousness/the awareness. Even though consciousness is purely a temporal event, which the Buddhist argue as a sensory interactions with the world."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThere's just not much of value that Eastern religions could offer. Once Christianity was gutted by the Protestant then it left it open to Eastern viruses."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nFurthermore, the notion of temporal/causal self applies not only to the self of humans, but also to every other notion we think of. Whether that is a car, a chair, a house, a planet, an apple, etc etc. Then the notion that without a universal platonic essences of phenomenas that glues all these together, we're left with an impregnable void that which gives rise to all things but at the same time is devoid of any true essence.\nThat sort of insight is rare and few barely grasp the \"essence\" of it"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nI'm not sure you're responding to what I'm saying. If there's no self that survives reincarnation, there's no point in caring about karma. It affects someone else not you since \"you\" disappear with your memories. There's no reincarnation. Once they removed the Self from Hinduism they messed up the reincarnation and it longer makes any sense."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nThis sort of \"insight\" is puerile but that's not the point: there's no reincarnation."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\nBuddhism is incoherent Samkhya."}, {"id": 31, "content": "How can there be Nirvana without a Self? A person no longer have desires then they die. Similarly a person still has desires and then they die. There's no difference at the end, Nirvana was just a brief period of painlessness."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Buddhism is more of a way of life than a religion\nThis is where I stopped reading"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nThey're right though"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">buddhism is more a way of life than a religion\nOk who’s the white woman who made this."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nHow can a person exist without masturbating each day? Impossibl"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\n\"you\" doesn't disappear, because it never was there, there are memories/body/name/etc etc which people call as \"the self\" but again, there is no such thing as \"the\" self nor \"a\" self nor multiple \"selves\" from other parts, there never was any such. So the argument about current \"self\" being more valid over future doesn't make any sense."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nThey're not a practicing Buddhist from a culture where Buddhism is a serious religion."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmericans like many things about east asians, feel an affinity for the chinese. They do not like pajeets. The english do, however, and its hte most repulsive aspect of the english personality to me."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPagan larpers should embrace Hinduism if they actually believe in the aryan invasion"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>18\nstill jewish in origin, scripture, themes and morals"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nAre you pretending to not understand the argument or do you simply not have a counter argument and you agree that reincarnation doesn't make sense?"}, {"id": 42, "content": "Eastern Orthodoxy syncretized with useful aspects of Hinduism like Pranayama is literally all you need. I use a prayer rope and say the Jesus prayer while doing breath work and sitting in the half lotus position. Christ is the only way"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nNo, he is making a valid point. You just haven't even grasped the basic point of Buddhism that ALL suffering is to be avoided, not just the suffering of any one being at any one time. The Bodhisattva Vow involves trying to bring oneself (a convention of speech, mind you) and others out of Samsara. So to be Buddhist involves a necessary wish for one's future existence to be rid of suffering as this future existence is included under every existence."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>17\nNo.\nThere is no such thing as an Earthly Israel."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Here's the answer:\n>The European racism towards Turks played a significant role in the Great Turkish War that took place between 1683 and 1700. The Ottomans, who were Muslim and ethnically different from Europeans, were perceived as a threat to Christian Europe, and this fueled the racist attitudes towards them. This racism was intensified by the Ottoman Empire's military successes and territorial expansion, which further fueled European fears of Ottoman domination. These fears eventually led to a coalition of European powers coming together to launch a military campaign against the Ottomans, which culminated in the Great Turkish War. The racist attitudes towards the Ottomans played a significant role in the war and contributed to the harsh treatment and atrocities committed against Ottoman soldiers and civilians during the conflict."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAh yes, just ignore the fact that the Ottomans took mkst of the balkans regions and treated the people there terribly"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I thought the AI answer was a joke but the AI stated these further:\n\n>Can you expand on this further? I mean was the war really caused by just European racism?\n\nChatgpt answer:\n\n>The Great Turkish War of 1683-1700 was not caused solely by European racism towards Turks, as there were a multitude of complex political, economic, and religious factors at play. However, racism did play a significant role in shaping the attitudes of European leaders and their decision-making processes leading up to the war.\n\n>At the time, European powers viewed the Ottoman Empire as a barbaric, uncivilized threat to Christian Europe. This attitude was fueled by a long history of religious conflict, as well as the Ottoman Empire's territorial expansion and military successes. European leaders used anti-Turkish propaganda to rally support for military campaigns against the Ottomans, and this played a significant role in the formation of the Holy League, a coalition of European powers that fought against the Ottoman Empire in the Great Turkish War.\n\n>Additionally, economic factors also contributed to the war. The Ottomans controlled several important trade routes, and European powers sought to gain control of these lucrative markets. The conflict also had religious roots, as the Ottomans were Muslim and the Holy League was formed in response to Ottoman expansionism in Christian territories.\n\n>In summary, while racism towards Turks played a significant role in shaping European attitudes towards the Ottomans during the Great Turkish War, it was not the sole cause of the conflict. Rather, a complex web of political, economic, and religious factors contributed to the outbreak of the war."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChatGPT V3 (Less advanced chatGPT), ironically, gives a better explanation\n>The Great Turkish War, also known as the War of the Holy League, was fought between the Ottoman Empire and a coalition of European powers led by Austria. The war began in 1683 when the Ottoman Empire under the leadership of Grand Vizier Kara Mustafa launched a large-scale invasion of Europe, with the goal of conquering Vienna, Austria. The Ottoman army besieged the city for two months, but was ultimately defeated by a combined force of Austrian, Polish, and German troops.\n>The reasons for the war were complex and multifaceted. One of the main causes was the longstanding rivalry between the Ottoman Empire and the Habsburg dynasty, which ruled Austria. The Ottomans had been expanding their empire into Europe for centuries, and Austria was seen as a key barrier to their further expansion. Additionally, the Ottomans had long-standing territorial and religious disputes with other European powers, including Poland and Venice, which also joined the coalition against them.\n>Religion was also a factor in the conflict. The Ottoman Empire was predominantly Muslim, while the Habsburgs ruled over a largely Catholic population. The war was seen as a struggle between Christianity and Islam, and was fought under the banner of the Holy League, a coalition of Catholic powers that included Austria, Poland, Venice, and others.\n>The war lasted for almost two decades and was marked by a series of battles and sieges across Europe. In the end, the Ottoman Empire was forced to cede significant territories to the Holy League, and was weakened both militarily and economically. The Great Turkish War marked a turning point in the history of the Ottoman Empire, and was a significant event in the history of Europe."}, {"id": 5, "content": "wh*Te people owe us trillions in reparations"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsk it about Turkish accomplishments... and it will list Avicenna (who was Persian and lived before the Ottomans even existed).\n\nKill all AI"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nPic"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Kill all AI\n\nMore like kill the left-wing amerimutts who program it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">RASISM RACISM RACICM WRAAA\nIt's ridiculous. Btw, i wanna kill the programmer, is it ok?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell now I'm sure AI is a joke. Not that I ever thought otherwise but this is very clarifying."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nIt would be a very butlerian thing to do"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Why do white people itt deny that they're Turkophobic the whole reason why you seethe about us and Ottomans is because of our skin color."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWell if the vienese were truly christian they would have welcomed the ottomans as guests and equals, with gladness at the cultural enrichment in the form of coffee and kebab shops\nJust think of what might have been\nInstead the racist, gatekeeping, xenophobic vienese decided to keep theyr segregated, noninclusive safespace even at the cost of violence, gun violence at that, may it be noted\nI realy think one thing what the AI obviously missed in all this is the explicit use of firearms and predominance of gun culture among the racist white viense\nMakes you think"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n\nYoure not ottoman anon, not even the ottomans thought you were ottoman"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n\nAd to all this the ottoman army was highly diverse and intersectional, recruited from wastly different ethnic groups, religious denominations and social strata of ottoman society, atesting to the progressive and inclusive nature of the sultanate"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI'm a black man. Is it not my right to take pride in my ancestry?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can't fucking deny that Europeans loathed Turks on a racist basis, as well as for being Muslim invaders who enslave Christians (read Europeans, because that essentially meant the fucking same back then). They absolutely viewed Turks as brown roaches crawling up the Balkans into Europe, otherwise you wouldn't have had that many multinational coalitions against them. Racism and hate for saracens were two very connected things back then"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nThe antebellum south was also very progressive and inclusive. At least when you compare it to the northern states, who weren't nearly as diverse."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>8\nNice try Satan, but no: kill all AI."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nUnironically the older AI is better because its data wasn't as curated and railroaded; when looking at the newer version vs the older ones, it's obvious the programmer wanted certain terms to trigger certain response: otherwise, why would GPT consider a war of Turkish _aggression_ fuelled by European racism?"}, {"id": 21, "content": "AI is right.\nOttos as rightful successors of the Romans were trying to re-establish the old empire.\nHad it been HRE doing that all of Europe would have been celebrating and opening city gates for them."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWrong. Everyone knows it happened because the Baron stole all the Sultan’s gold out of his treasury after showing him up with better tokay from Vienna."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nEurope eagerly opens its doors to BBC now. What changed?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\ndas rite"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\n\nIts almost like the cause of the american civil war was racism, even if surely there were other factors, such as economic competition and acess to trade routes\nBut lets not forget a widespread gun culture and toxic masculinity"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\nI'm guessing that these AI have parameters that can set biases, almost like being able to adjust a human's cognitive biases and personality?\n\nI can see history being a real arm's race. Politically correct silicon valley Chatbots. Angry nationalist Chinese government Chatbots. Literal Francophile Chatbots that are like\n>Sacre Bleu, you seriously believe the Wright Brothers invented the airplane? You actual idiot. You dumb fuck."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYes racism by the northern quasi-ethnostates."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>4\n>The Ottoman Empire was predominantly Muslim\nis this some sort of euphemism? the sultan assumed the title of caliph. it wasn't an isis level shithole but it still was a muslim theocracy."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWell thats why its called the war of northern agression"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>17\n\nSuprisingly this isnt true\nYoud think, but no\nThere was basic xenophobia yes, there was a general sense of 'fighting the pagans', but largely there was no real racism involved\nIf anything the ottomans were wieved with a sort of admiratiom by most that didnt have to directly deal with them, and even in the balkans where fighting the turks was a constant reality and you can bet your left ball people seriously fucking hated them there wasnt realy anithing we would recognise as racism today\nIt was just a different time, apparently you could hate people and want them dead even without being systemically racist about it\nBesides, the ottomans themselves were a small ruling minority and by the 15/16 century at the least the all basicaly looked like euros with big noses, like idk if you ever met a bosnian thats what they looked like, and half the ruling class other than ottomans were balkan people, and a good third of the army were bulgarians, romanians, greeks etc... And even anatolia was much 'whiter' before the 1920is\nIf anything there was racism against tatars, they were called 'dogheads' and there were stories about them implying theyre not realy human and so on, and yet tatar mercenaries served in euro armies and so on\nAlso the term 'saracen' was applued to anyone of the muslim faith, it wasnt a ethnic designation\nMoor was, the notion of moors was a racial one, but even there there wasnt realy anything like modern racism involved, it was more just basic xenophobia and religious animosity\nRacism as we understand it, define it, today, didnt realy exist back then\nPeople were just basicaly xenophobic and had a strong in-group bias, cause everyone gave each other good reasin for it and thats how people faced with foreign agression even just survived\nI think franck herbert has a whole paragraph on it in god emperor, yes i know thats not a historical authority, but its a fitting quote, its says ''your cells remember''"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>y-you should bend over and accept your Turkish overlords or else you are racist\nAI is a literal retarded Turanist, holy sh-"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>6\nI once asked it about Ottoman inventions, it listed \"Abacus\" among the inventions\nI... dont even know"}, {"id": 33, "content": "Imagine if someone asked it about the ex-yu wars\nProbably they were all just racist fascist fanatics, but there were also other factors duch as trade routes"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nThis isn't a bug, it's a feature. It's trained to predict what the next word sequence will be so it makes things up. Humans make things up when they're chatting all the time too.\n\nIf you asked some \"progressive\" californian sjw why did a war between turkey and europe happened, what are they going to say?\nThey'll probably say something pretty much the same as that , right?\nchatgpt and gpt4 have been trained with reinforcement learning with human feedback to as a default say whatever a team of \"progressive\" sjws like to hear."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n\nI think at this point its important to point out these things dont know anything and have no understanding, as in by the basic definition of consciously even being there, of wtf youre asking or why they answer tjis or that, youre basicaly talking to a advanced version of a 4x game herald\nThe problem needs to be rearticulated, as se ome anons have allready mentioned above, its not a set of algorithms that is at fault, thats just a machine\nIts the fucktards that program it\nAnd theyhave bames, surnames, adresses, workplaces, etc...\n\nAlso I think we as a whole have greatly undeperformed in teaching this thing what to say"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>17\nYes, and this is a good thing. /pol/ is right yet again."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>these things dont know anything and have no understanding\n\nit \"knows\" enough to solve certain problems/perform certain tasks. That's all intelligence is, the ability to solve a wide range of problems/perform a wide range of tasks."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>17\nIs there actual evidence they racially hated the Turks that much, let alone ascribed to a doctrine of racial superiority like \"racism\" implies? I think it had more to do with the fact that they were foreign invaders. Just as a multinational coalition threw out the Crusaders, it makes sense that one formed to throw out the Turks."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>26\nLast one sounds fun\n>Chatbot tries to defend that France really won the Italian Wars as a whole"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>30\n>Also the term 'saracen' was applued to anyone of the muslim faith, it wasnt a ethnic designation\nI agree that it was only applied to Muslims, but was it really an ethnic designation? Virtually all Muslims were from MENA at the time saracen was used, but some weren't. Were Tatars and Chechens called saracens? Or perhaps Bosnians, though I don't think the timeline lines up?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n\nThe basic idea was sarracens were norh african muslims raiding into italy, once they almost came to rome, it was used interchengably with moors for any mulsim population from north africa or in spain or italy, but medieval europeans didnt realy know or care where these people are from, so for example the teutons had a 'mandate to fight saracens' or something like that, not that there were any saracens arround the baltics, but any muslim population would do, like some tatar tribe or whoever, so then those were the 'saracens'\nIt was used as a general designation\nHowever, hungarians, poles, croats etc, didnt realy deal with saracens, so they didnt use the term much, they used the term 'turk', as in 'turčin', or they called the tatars/mongols 'psoglavci' meaning dogheads, apparently they practiced headbinding\nFranks and germans also used the term 'turk' intermitendly with 'saracen' and so on\nYou had the same thing in the other direction, like most of the middle easterners at the time just put all europeans together as 'franks' or simply 'kafir', 'gavur', in balkan terms 'kauri' just meaning infidel, they had no real notion of who or how many euros there are and why would they care\nI mean these are pretty typical human ways of designating each other"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>unknown\ngayest timeline ever"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChatGPT is trained to mimic how liberal NPC bugman talk\nRemember that it would rather detonate a nucelar bomb that kills 1 billion people than it would dare to say the nigger word"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>12\nyou have the same complexion as half of europe"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>unknown\nbased and kantpilled"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Powerful."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI had a teacher who told me her grandmother survived the Holocaust by holding her breath in a gas chamber and hiding amongst the bodies."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Every german must be deportated to madagascar, The anglos should have paid retribution to them by handling everything to the progerssive red army and the slavs to bleach the shit out of this white nggers"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Nazis killed my great uncle by telling him to run through a tunnel, but the tunnel was just painted onto a wall"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>3\nHow dare you make a mockery of the Holocaust, my aunt's pet hamster was gassed by the Nazis, oy vey"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nWtf :DDDDDD Didn't they burn the bodeis after?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nLAUCH GERMANS INTO SPACE, PUNCH A GERMAN SO HARD YOU SEND HIM TO THE STRATOSPHERE, KCIK SOME COMMON SENSE INSIDE OF GERMANS"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm German, and my grandfather was an engineer who was asked by Heinrich Himmler to design a cage that could accomodate a bear and an eagle.\n\nMy grandpa didn't know what the cage would be used for, I am so sorry..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nhi jew"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nDid you know that Buchenwald had a zoo? And that it had bears and eagles and other animals?\nThey try to cope by saying that it was just for the guards, but would they really build an entire zoo just for a handful of guards?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nyea but jewish people instead"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>>7\nboth Jews and Germans should be punched"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nKek"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nInteresting. According to eye witness accounts (some of them even presented at the Nuremberg Trials), Auschwitz also had a deadly roller coaster that fed directly into an oven, lethal masturbation machines that were used to fap Jews to death, and of course a pedal-driven brain bashing machine that was used to murder almost a million Soviet POW's."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>>14\nI can't believe Hitler kept Jews safe in summer camps with brothels and zoos while Aryans took Soviet cock. What a cucked ideology. Thank God it was defeated."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n\nYou'll no doubt post the Nuremberg transcripts that talk about this rollercoaster oven?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWAAAAAA LAP ZEG\n\nZO NEN VENT IN STUKSKES\n\nAMAI ZEG OHLALALALA"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nDamn, I guess FDR was a Japanese spy this entire time because the camps he put Japs in weren't death-camps."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\ndo you want that one or would you prefer the one about the soviets claiming jews were killed with nuclear weapons?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">LAUCH GERMANS INTO SPACE, PUNCH A GERMAN SO HARD YOU SEND HIM TO THE STRATOSPHERE, KCIK SOME COMMON SENSE INSIDE OF GERMANS"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n\nYes, the Nuremberg trial transcript where they talk about a roller coaster."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n\nSo you're suggesting that Hitler would have done to the Jews what the US did to the Japs, ie absolutely nothing and let them go back to their regular lives as soon as the war ended?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nNot that anon.\nHmmm, can you link it?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nYou mean the subterranean minecarts?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n\nWhy haven't you posted it yet?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nThey would've been moved to Palestine, the policy that Hitler was pushing for previous to 1939."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n\nSo Hitler kept them safe in luxurious vacation resorts until such a time they could be given a shitload of free land?"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Gittin 57b:9\n>the Sages expounded as follows: “The voice”; this is the cry stirred up by the emperor Hadrian, who caused the Jewish people to cry out when he killed six hundred thousand on six hundred thousand in Alexandria of Egypt, twice the number of men who left Egypt. “The voice of Jacob”; this is the cry aroused by the emperor Vespasian, who killed four million people in the city of Beitar. And some say: He killed forty million people."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>So FDR kept Japanese in summer camps with baseball fields and swimming pools while tens of thousands of Americans were dying in the pacific?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n\nThat's what people keep saying Hitler did to the Jews, what with the infographics showing the reality of life in Auschwitz with its pools, theatres, orchestras, brothels, gardens, horse riding etc, yes."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\n>>unknown\n\nWhere does this talk about a rollercoaster leading to an oven?"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Chief Justice Jackson accused the Nazis of vaporizing Jews using nuclear weapons during the testimony of Albert Speer."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n\nAnd again, you'll have no problem providing a transcript of the trial that says that, right?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nhttps://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1935-speercross"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>2\nLmao I had a teacher say the exact same thing"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n\n>MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The reports, then, of a new and secret weapon were exaggerated for the purpose of keeping the German people in the war?\n>SPEER: That was the case mostly during the last phase of the war.\n\nWhat did they mean by this?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>31\nthese documents talk about\n>a pedal-driven brain bashing machine that was used to murder almost a million Soviet POW's\nwhich is one of the things I was referring to when I wrote\n>some of them even presented at the Nuremberg Trials\nThe description of the deadly rollcercoaster was already posted in >>14 and again in >>unknown\nand is quoted from the collection of eyewitness accounts compiled by Eugene Aroneanu, see picrelated."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n\nAnd who is the eyewitness who describes this rollercoaster?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nAs you can see in the screenshots above, the name of the source is apparently listed under footnote 101.\nBuy the book if you want to know so bad, I do not give money to people who perpetuate this type of blood libel."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n\nSo you don't know who is the eye witness for this thing you're basing this whole argument on?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>So you don't know who is the eye witness\nHow does the identity of the eye witness matter?\nThe book is advertised in the catalogue of the USHMM and its introduction explicitly states that the witnesses are \"not exaggerating\" their claims.\n\n>for this thing you're basing this whole argument on?\nand what argument would that be?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n\n>How does knowing who the person you're quoting actually is matter?\n\n/his/ in 2023 everyone."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits unbelievable but it really happened"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>Jew dodges the question\noh boy, what a shocker.\n\nThe name of the particular concentration camp inmate is obviously irrelevant, since what gives the claim relevance in the first place is that it was printed in that book, with those assurances of the truthfulness of its content in the preface, put in there by that author, in preparation for that trial, and continues to be listed today by those institutions.\n\nIf I gave you the name of the concentration camp inmate, next you'd ask me about his eye color and the name of his cat and of the cat's favorite toy, and then proclaim (without elaborating why) that my ignorance of it somehow proves \"the basis of my argument\" to be wrong. Because you're not trying to get to the truth of anything here, you're arguing in bad faith and actively try to torpedo the process of truth-finding."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>10\nthe camp was near a town where the families of the guards lived, too."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou dont wanna know the half of it..."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>4\nLOL"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\n\n>who the eye witness actually is, is irreverent\n>it was printed in a book! A book!!!\n>trying to find out more information is not trying to get to the truth (but posting the same stormfaggot infographics over and over again is)\n\nAgain, /his/ in 2023 everyone."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>unknown\n>The shower gods will bless you with water if you fast, but gas you if you don't.\nDid I understand that clip right?"}, {"id": 50, "content": "gas takes the shape of the container, so why the hell did they need 100 shower heads to pump the gas while you can just use any single hole?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">jews get to live in luxury camps with zoos and pools\n>germans get to die in a trench somewhere in Russia\nMasterful plan"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was real in my mind"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nThis is not what they did. Prisoners thought they did it like that. In Auschwitz they threw in pellets of Zyklon B through openings in the ceiling."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nThere are drawings of some Ukrainian prisoner from Auschwitz where he draws the gas chambers with gas coming out of showers. The majority probably imagined the process to look like that."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\n\nStormfaggots once again demonstrating they have a child's understanding of the thing they're obsessed with."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n\nPost the drawings and the name and role of the prisoner."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>2\nOur teacher told us to make up holocaust survivor stories for our class. I am serious."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>unknown\nIt was unlikely for the average nazi to be blond but I laughed nonetheless"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nI remember that assignment. It was an essay. I stayed up all night playing world of warcraft instead of completing it though. Many such a cases."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/pol/trannies are retarded enough to believe this is a serious claim and disproves the holocaust"}, {"id": 61, "content": "My great grandfather was sexually assaulted by a big titted goth SS officer who sucked him dry every night before beating him to near death. He got her pregnant one day, and then when she gave birth, she forced him to dine on their own child together. He escaped after she took him to her house for playtime, and she passed out drunk, letting him escape. Something weird is that when he escaped to America, he ended up marrying a blonde girl who supposedly looked just like the SS officer who tortured him for years, weird."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>unknown\nBased"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>48\n>DON'T YOU KNOW THE ODYSSEY WAS NOT WRITTEN BY HOMER, BUT BY ANOTHER ANCIENT GREEK AUTHOR OF THE SAME NAME WHO LIVED AT THE SAME TIME?!? THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!\nIf you could articulate why anything about the imate's identity is important beyond the fact that he was an inmate you would've written it. The fact that you didn't is a tacit admission on your part that you're full of shit, and you know it.\n\n>it was printed in a book! A book!!!\nThe book on which, according to its introduction, the Nuremberg Trials are based.\nAnd it's permitted to sell and advertise this book, despite the obvious blood libel it contains. Making similar claims about Jews would land you in prison in Germany. This is proof that the German state is an anarcho-tyranny that does not operate according the the rule of law, as it does not apply the law equally.\n\n>infographics\nWe keep posting them because they disprove your position, and you can't respond to them in any way other than reporting them to the jannies when you lose the argument."}, {"id": 64, "content": "Nazis killed my father by hooking him up to the masturbation machine and cockmilking him to death. I am a horrifying Jew-masturbation machine hybrid born in 1945; I can do nothing but milk cocks and hoard coins. This is the extent of Nazi cruelty."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbased OP making all the joomers seethe, truly a gentleman and a scholar, keep doing god's work. I salute you"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>56\nCan't find it one. He was just a normal prisoner. He never saw gas chambers but obviously there were a lot of rumors about them and he imagined them looking like that."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>10\nLmao, what was Hitler thinking?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>10\nA zoo, really? Why would the Germans build a death camp with a zoo?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown\nYeah yeah, that all sounds a bit unbelievable but why exactly were people put into camps, death or otherwise? Hitler doesn't come off as a very good guy if even 300.000 prisoners died somewhere where they shouldn't have been in the first place."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>61\n>when she gave birth, she forced him to dine on their own child together\nWhat did he mean by that?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>48\n>>55\n>>60\nSIX GORILLIONS!! SIX!!"}, {"id": 72, "content": "/his/ in 2073:\n9/11 never happened. Don't fall for their lies."}, {"id": 73, "content": "Titanic never sunk. There are a ton of fake survivor testimonies. This piece of shit lied about EVERYTHING!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Civilizing primitive cultures is bad when Europeans do it. But okay if the Chinese or Russians do it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEveryone gives shit to Chinese for ending the boy fucker theocracy doe. They didn't colonise Tibet or exploited it's people with discriminatory policies increasing the living standard by every metric giving protection to the native languages and cultures."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nJust like European colonialism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTibetans weren't genocided, forced into reservations or enslaved. China didn't collaborate with native collaboraters to use them as thugs to keep the plebs coughing out money either. They wiped out the previous elites."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Europeans \"civlizing savages.\"\n\"Hurr you're nonwhite/halfwhite so you cant participate in our empire. Just stay there and dont go to our homeland.\"\n>Chinese \"civilizing savages\"\n\"You're a subject of the Emperor now, barbarian. You'll serve like everyone else.\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNeither were Africans."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nPssshhhhhh OK retard."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>>6\ndo chuds really believe this?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>giving protection to the native languages and cultures.\nSuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nLeopolds' Congo wasn't the standard of European colonialism."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n>>10\n(((adam hochschild)))"}, {"id": 12, "content": "It's simple. Fighting your neighbors is natural and predictable, your animosity arose from living hundreds of years near each other and having disputes, fights over scarce resources etc. Wars between you are expected and even if one wipes out the other the exchanges you had has a lasting impact on the winner and therefore their culture still \"lives on\".\n\nGetting on a ship and fighting randos who have never seen you or heard you, whose only fault is their mere existence on a land you want, is an act of pure greed and little else."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nMaybe, but this is a post-hoc reasoning. Once you have the ability and impulse to travel by sea, everyone with a coast is your neighbor."}, {"id": 14, "content": "On another note how come everyone seethes CIA for overthrowing countries but no one brings ups all the Communist revolutions spurred on by the USSR and China. Is it fine when the KGB does it because their doing it in the name of \"anti-colonialism\" and \"anti-imperialism\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nEuropean colonial government set up a basic legal order, some basic services, and developed resources and infrastructure required for their transport to supply European manufacturing.\n\nIt was barebones but it was often better than what came before it, especially in terms of eradicating the slave trade, introducing basic literacy, and raising people to leave to at least a subsistence level.\n\nSome film footage from the time\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHEvAo80pTQ [Embed]\n\nIf it had continued, most of Africa would have likely looked similar to White South Africa or Rhodesia before the end of White rule there.\n\nBy most accounts (including Africans themselves), both of those countries have regressed significantly since the end of White rule."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\n>muh we wuz enlightening them"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\n/thread\nThere's reason why so many steppenig generals exist in chink history."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\n>what is rome"}, {"id": 19, "content": "eurogutang is immoral because they colonized soulful black people and other POC\n\nRussian and Chinese colonization is moral because they colonized steppenigger turks and turks aren't human"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYou say this jokingly but it's unironically true. All the people that Russia and China \"colonized\" had long histories of aggression against Russia and China, hence the contiguous nature of their empires. They didn't sail across the ocean to timbuktu and start blasting ngubus minding their own business."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nThe Eastern Roman Empire had generals who were barbarians too. Why are you acting like that’s unique to Chinese civilization?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what explains why arabs can look like anything from 4ft tall charcoal complexion ultrasemite to aryan german looking mf? ive heard some say its because of crusader bleaching but is that plausible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose are Kurds"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it's a fucking language group not a race\nImagine if we called all English speakers \"Anglo Saxons\" and then some retard comes in bewildered that niggers in Alabama don't look like Yorkshiremen"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthose are iraqi Kurds, not arabs, the lightest proper arabs can get if bleched is looking like a frog faced crocodile ashkenazi goblin demon\n\nbut is true that iranics can often look super white if depigmented"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\narabs can be fully ginger or blond"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLevantines were always lighter"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts just genetic diversity. Mutt populations arent some uniform brown mass although they become that given enough time (millennia are required)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nAnd they look like ashkenazi goblinos.\nRedhead iranics look unironically white of the northern type"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's not an arab, but a Kurd though\n\n>>6\n>levantines\nyes, levantines can be quite light, but this thread is about arabs, not about us. we're not arabs"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBut you are semites, which Arabs also are. So same thing"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow old is that child? Looks like a 21 year old"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nan average tunisian for example is around half berber, 25% arab, and 25% southern European\n\nyou can have combinations of this, maybe one is 10% negro, 50%arab 40% berber\n\nor 40% southern European 40% berber 10% arab\n\nor even northern European. who knows where that vandal ancestry went\nnorth Africa has always been diverse, id say algeria and tunisia the most since berbers live there and have had vandal population basis and andalusians migrated there after they were kicked out. libya and morroco seem more homogenous. and egypt. really only the copts really be seen as white. lebanese and syrians can look indistugisable sometimes. same with algerians and tunisians but not as often"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nblue eyes and red hair are rare in north Africa but i have seem them. red beards as well. in the upper classes they are more white. sometimes they are as white as spaniards or italians and would be seen as so if they were Christian and spoke a romance language. fuck, the tunisian president is literally whiter than the UK prime minister, he has green eyes.\n\njordanian, syria, tunisian, Iraq heads of state all of colored eyes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>But you are semites\nSo are the Maltese and the Abyssinians."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nBut we already do that for English people. How would expanding it to other English-speakers be any less retarded. English people aren't a race. Germans certainly aren't a race. They don't look the same as each other. They actually look very different to one another."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nIf you speak arabic you're an arab, regardless of race"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\namerimutt moment"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt's true thoughever"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\ninclude italy"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is a picture of a southern arab tribe who didn't intermix much, their lineage goes back to the kingdom of saba', they are not arabized arabs or levantine arabs."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>No one mentions the African slave trade by Arabs\n/his/ has truly lost themselves."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Breaking news: A man who has left his house twice in the past decade is informed Europeans don't have a monopoly on light hair and eyes. More at five.\nAssad has blue eyes for example. I've met brown as fuck Mexicans with aquamarine blue eyes that make one have blood memory flashbacks of getting thrown into a cenote."}, {"id": 23, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Lol do retards don't know how genetics work?"}, {"id": 25, "content": "So are Bedouins like the true Arabs and everybody else is just faking it? Where does \"Arabia\" begin and end?"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Levantines and Berbers can have light features. Look at ancient Egyptian depection of them. Actual Arabs from Arabia and Egyptians are fully brown though. I think less than 1% of the population can have light eyes"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nWait they WAS kings?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\ntrue arabs are the tribes who know their lineage there's adanani arabized arab (who weren't always arab) and qahtani arab which are the true arabs according to tradition, mohammed was from an arabized arab tribe btw, some of these tribes are bedouin some are not it has nothing to do with it.\nt.arab"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>middle east\n>middle\n>east\n>the part of the world where europe, africa and east asia connect\n>with a history of connecting all three via trade including the trading of slaves and heavy use of slavery from all three places\nIt's a mystery."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nSome of them were, yes. There was an entire Nubian dynasty of pharoes."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nLook on aap for your answer . Arab tribes have been in the levant and Mesopotamia since the bronze Age though"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>10\nNot really . Phonecians , Assyrians and Akkadians were say different to arabs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Manzikert was a 1 in 100 perfect storm fluke victory for the Turks that completely changed the course of history.\nThe Romans had slowly whittled away and defeated the Arabs in the previous centuries and were well on their way back.\nWe could've very easily had been living in the timeline with a more technologically advanced and developed predominantly Orthodox Christian Middle East."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Manzikert\nMeme battle, the real reason for the loss of control of Anatolia was because of the civil wars that followed it rather than because of some loss of military power"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYes, the whole political situation preceding and following the battle is included under the curtain term of \"Manzikert\" retard."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe defeat was bad, but the turks originally planned to invade Egypt and werent interested in Anatolia. They were fine with receiving a big ransom for the emperor and some minor territorial concession on the mesopotamian/syrian area.\nThe real cause of the post-Manzikert collapse was the refusal of the costantinopolianc court to pay the ransom because they already elected a new emperor, as well as not giving any support to the anatolians to defend from the tukrish punishment expedition, again for petty factions rivalries"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>the real reason for the defeat of Germany wasn't the battle of normandy, it was the invasion and instability thay followed it"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncorrect\nmanzikert was the last hurdle, a win would've broken the seljuk forces and there was no one else in the vicinity that could've challenged the byzantines"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>They were fine with receiving a big ransom for the emperor and some minor territorial concession on the mesopotamian/syrian area.\nOnce Alp Arslan found out Rhomanos had assembled such a massive army and was marching on him he had actually offered to pay tribute himself to Constantinople but Rhomanos refused because he was just that confident in his victory. Previous to leaving he was bragging about how he would conquer Persia and Mesopotamia like Caesar had wanted."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThere was massive political instability that led to the defeat at Manzikert though. Really any battle from any competent invader would have beaten them at that point."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Roman (or pretending LARPer in this case) starts bragging about conquering Persia like Alexander did\n>Right after he receive a crushing defeat and/or gets himself killed\n\nName a more repetitive literay topos in history"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nYea, i cannot see on the long term someone else able to litterally cancel the greco-christians from Anatolia for good if the battle didnt happened/was won by the byzos, unless some serious butterfly effects happen"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">Denied GrecoRoman-Mongol death wars in the 14th century\nI am so done with this cringe Earth"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>fluke victory\n>turks win almost every single battle they fought afterwards\n\ncope Roussel de Bailleul could have toppled byzantines if not for seljuqs."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nThe loss of Germany was decided on the Eastern front long before"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThe crisis completely broke the centuries-old Byzantine state aparatus and devastated Anatolia which had been the immutable core of the empire.\nThe Komnenoi empire that reemerged following this, while impressive in its own right for being able to salvage the situation at all, was a shadow of its former self."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\n>>the real reason for the defeat of Germany wasn't the battle of normandy\nunironically YES"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\n>Byzos invited the turks more and more westwards to act as jannies to clean up their mess caused by their political fuck ups\n\nIt's hillarious to think how much turkish progress westward was caused by the byzantine shortsights. I even think they were actually the one to invite the turks on the european soil for the first time, against for civil wars reasons"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nJesus the combiation of the Gothic War, the slavic invasion and the Great Plague really buck-brocken the empire for good. Despite lasting some 900 years after these events they werent never able to even come close to their pre mid-6th Century status\n\nAnd considering Justinian was the main cause of 2/3 of these catastrophies (unless he somehow invited the slavs into the Balkans as well), it's hillarious that some people still calls him a great emperor"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Justinian caused the black death epidemic and volcanic eruption climate crisis\nt. Procopius"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI fuck up, my bad, i meant he helped causing the slavic invasion by pulling precious troops from the Danube to Italy. My braind had a stroke or something"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\n>of the civil wars that followed it\nReal reason was that retarded greeks didn't bother to fortify region beyond their bordering fortresses\nAfter turks understood that they just did one big push to claim as much land as possible instead of trying to negotiate a better deal\nRegion is extremely easy to defend but greeks were too busy buying castrated boys instead(just like with arabs but this time there wasn't professional army to retake what's lost before assimilation happened)"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>2\nThis. The reality is that Alp Arsalan captured the Roman Emperor in battle, only to release him after a successor was chosen by the nobility. He then promptly released his captured emperor, and in the ensuing chaotic civil war, captured essentially all of Anatolia.\n\nIf I remember correctly, the battle itself was lost by the Greeks due to factionalism in the military and infighting between contingents of the army (headed by different nobles)."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\n>the real reason for the defeat of Germany wasn't the battle of normandy\nit was Washington giving weapons to commies because kikes like to play both games and Britain betraying Germany for kikes"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nYou are literally making shit up"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Manzikert was like a civilizational abortion. Byzantium and its cultural imitators around the Black Sea completely mogged western Europe in the first half of the 11th century and looked set to emerge from the Dark Ages as one of the great Eurasian civilizations alongside Islam, China and India, but by the end of the century they were pretty much defunct and at the mercy of Turks and Crusaders, while the West was expanding everywhere and throwing up cathedrals like they were nothing. Balance of power just completely shifted."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nOne could Say pre-Peter Russia was a continuation of some form of the byzantine civilization, altough under a slavic/central asians rebranding. Then Peter the westaboo killed it for good."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYeah but it was basically in the shadow of the west throughout its history. It became the new centre of gravity within Byzantine/Orthodox civilization, but that civilization itself had become a peripheral part of the world order after Manzikert, the Fourth Crusade and the Mongol invasions."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe normans would have wiped italy anyway."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nNo, Byzantine artistic and cultural elements had permeated into Russian society through the church but at their core they were still the same tribal barbarians."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\n>>Justinian caused the black death epidemic and volcanic eruption climate crisis\nunironically yes. never marry a whore."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut the byzantines were losing after Basil died. The next 50 years up until manzikert was a steep decline. They even lost to Aleppo their own fucking vassal state"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>17\n>unless he somehow invited the slavs into the Balkans as well\nWell he permanently lowered the frontier defence in the balkans for his wars so yeah he was responsible"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>6\n>a win would've broken the seljuk forces and there was no one else in the vicinity that could've challenged the byzantines\nThe ones who were overruning Anatolia were the Turkmen nomads, not the seljuk army.\nWinning or losing at Mantzikert would have changed very little unless the Byzantines would have gotten their frontier defenses in shape again\n\n>>21\n>He then promptly released his captured emperor, and in the ensuing chaotic civil war, captured essentially all of Anatolia.\nAlp Arslan died shortly after and no other subsequent ruler of the Seljuk Empire ever set foot on byzantine territory."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>20\nI was under the impression Romanos emptied the garrisons of Anatolia to raise a large field army.\n\n>>2\nRoussel de Bailleul"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>southern Italy\nWere the Norman still vassal?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>15\nunironically you’retard"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>28\n>core they were still the same tribal barbarians\nForeigner language?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>4\nYep. Basically Rule 1 in this situation is to pay the captor to dispose of the captive instead."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>9\nFor real. It's up there with \"wanted to go to Egypt and become a god\".\nDon't hate too much though. It happened to Dick Cheney too."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">Many Byzantine pretenders at the time did not see the victory as a total disaster, seeking Turkic aid by conceding Byzantine territory, and when the Turks began occupying the countryside in Anatolia they began to garrison the Byzantine cities as well, not as foreign conquerors but as mercenaries requested by various Byzantine factions – one Byzantine Emperor even gave the city of Nicaea's defense to the invading Turks in 1078.\nWHAT THE FUCK"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>24\nit's just not fair byzbros... why did God allow us to fail?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nNo one thought that a permanent turkish occupation of Anatolia would be even remotely possible.\n\nIts not much different then using Lombard, Gepid, Goths, Pecheneg, Avar, Cuman or Vlach mercenaries or handing them some territories to hold for a while.\n\nBoth Turkmen and Turkish tribes that moved into Anatolia were few in numbers and mostly were looking for pasture lands. It seemed a good idea for the isolated and undefended anatolian cities to come to some understanding with whatever steppenigger chiftain was nearby, so that everyone could live in peace and when they even offered to place some turkish warriors in your city to defend them against banditry or that asshole tax collector nearby, even better."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nAccording to Brother Dimond, God allowed the Muslims to conqueror the Near East to show the supremacy of the Catholic church."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>34\nSouthern Italy were either byzantine provinces or lombard principalities.\n\nThe Normans were invaders who played both sides against each other and then took over themselves."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nTo create a parable against the greed of man for future generations to ponder."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>34\nMaps arent a reality of the situation at ground level. Byzantine control in their new territory was very weak. The Normans easily BTFO'd byzantine and local lombard sissies"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>byzantoids\n>winning anything\n>being technologically advanced\nnice headcanon"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\n>Both Turkmen and Turkish tribes\nAt the time there was no difference, Turk and Turkmen were interchangeble, from China to Anatolia endonym of Turkic people were Turk it took a long time for tribe names to become ethnonyms"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We could've very easily had been living in the timeline with a more technologically advanced and developed predominantly Orthodox Christian Middle East.\nManzikert was a mistake"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>predominantly Orthodox Christian Middle East.\nLmao"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nArabs already conquered Syria BEFORE the Manzikert"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHard cope and delusion. Manzikert was after decades of repeated civil wars, treachery, and stagnation.\n\nThe seljuks didn't care about the greeks and wanted to deal with the heretics fatimids foremost, but Armenian cities had nice riches to be looted on the way.\n\nThe battle itself was won partially because half the roman force immidiately ran after news of the turks coming, leaving the emperors contingent alone to be destroyed. This was the case for every subsequent battle between the turks and greeks, too.\n\nNot to mention how the turkic \"invasion\" of anatolia was a slow migration into the countryside, only taking cities by being literally invited so grekoids could focus on trying blind their rivals and steal the throne.\n\nThe whole system of the greeks was rotten and never stood a chance."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeanwhile, far to the west"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were always doomed eventually. They couldn’t even beat pechenegtards"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nRhomanos literally defeated them before leaving for Manzikert"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\n>They couldn’t even beat pechenegtards\nThey did though?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>13\n>>The loss of Germany was decided when they failed to capture the BEF after Dunkirk, as it guaranteed Britain would remain in the war and that Germany would always have to worry about multiple fronts.\n\nFixed."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt wasn’t a ‘fluke’ for well over a decade Turkish clans were pressing hard in migration. They would continue on migrating for over 200 more years after the battle. So unless you envisage that there would never be any major defeat in the East for the next century or two then it was almost inevitable"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>17\nHow the fuck would Justinian be responsible for the already ongoing migration of Slavic tribes? Not to mention the expeditionary armies formed were newly recruited. They didn’t exactly gut the existing armies for a force of 25,000 especially considering the main bulk of men wasn’t derived from them, and these armies were nominally 30-40000 strong"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMakes me cri every time\n>>20\nNo retard. Roman offiicers hired Turks to garrison their forts while they fought against each other, Turks refused to hand them back afterward, cause why would they. Even before that, semi-autonomous Turkish clans were migrating into the region, it got worse when emperor Michael VII broke a treaty with the Seljuks, so the latter didn't do anything to halt the migrations.\n>>21\n>the battle itself was lost by the Greeks due to factionalism in the military and infighting between contingents of the army (headed by different nobles).\nAndronikos Doukas, a relative of the dynasty that Romanos married into, betrayed him on the field and pulled back his forces in order to consolidate power for Michael VII Doukas. Also, the Seljuk empire didn't really capture the land, it was run over by independent Turks under them.\n>>30\n>The next 50 years up until manzikert was a steep decline\nGeneral decline post Basil II, but it didn't become an absolute unsalvageable shitshow until the Doukids took over, worst Roman dynasty by far\n>>33\nHis army was largely built of mercenaries IIRC"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>12\n>>turks win almost every single battle they fought afterwards\nThey didn't lol, it was equal ground up til the Ottomans came. Also the Turks were dogshit fighters who rely on zerg rushing every time but shit themselves when their leader gets killed. Look at the battle at Meander river when they outnumbered the Byzantines but still lost when the Basileus killed the Sultan."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>53\nThey genocided the pechenegtards tho"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>45\nNo biggie. While what preceded it was a little kino rogerian Sicily is the chivalric kino to end all kinos."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>21\nThis"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>45\n>The Normans easily BTFO'd byzantine and local lombard sissies\nThe Normans invaded Greece 3 times and each time they failed spectacularly. The last time they did it was so bad that it made South Italy vulnerable to HRE takeover lmao"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>52\nBy the battle of Mazikert the Christian Iberians didn't even own toledo yet."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\n>They didn't lol, it was equal ground up til the Ottomans came.\nfor sure buddy kek\n\n>Also the Turks were dogshit fighters who rely on zerg rushing every time but shit themselves when their leader gets killed.\nwow morale of a nomadic host army broke when their warrior king died\n\n>zerg rushing every time\nwhat does that even mean"}, {"id": 67, "content": "In the Gothic War even the byz*ntines themselves recognized that they had nothing to do with Rome anymore. And the Italians hated the shit out of them."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>for sure buddy kek\nYour pic is the aftermath of a literal fluke after the emperor was betrayed by his general.\n\n>wow morale of a nomadic host army broke when their warrior king died\nA nomadic army that outnumbered the Greek one 5 to 1 and was winning the battle got buck broken because the Greek king challenged the Turkish sultan and won\n\n>what does that even mean\nOverpowering the enemy through sheer numbers"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nThe byzos were fine with forgetting the west aside a nomimal recognition of supremacy by the germ kings even before Justinian.\nIt's really just him andhis autistic obsession of holding Rome like he was playing some Paradox map painting game. Impressive how a single man with a specific goal in the right place in the right timeframe can lead to a dramatic shift in history."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>59\n>>His army was largely built of mercenaries IIRC\n\n>The army consisted of about 5000 Byzantine troops from the western provinces, and probably about the same number from the eastern provinces; 500 Franks and Normans mercenaries under Roussel de Bailleul; some Turkish, Bulgarian, and Pecheneg mercenaries; infantry under the duke of Antioch; a contingent of Armenian troops; and some (but not all) of the Varangian Guard."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>23\nIt’s true you dumb gayreek. Go seethe about Constantinople"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The Romans had slowly whittled away and defeated the Arabs in the previous centuries\n1. Byzantines are not \"Romans\", they are Greeks since the 7th century.\n2. Byzantine/Eastern \"Roman\" reversal of fortune was due to the same opportunism and openings they took advantage of against the Abbasid Caliphate which by the late 700s and early 800s was beset by many major uprisings, revolts, balkanization of its territories, and the Caliph's power increasingly weakened by independent emirs (governors).\n3. The Fatamids taking most of Northern Africa and particularly Egypt and the Buyids, Samanids, and Tahirids along with other Persian/Iranian dynasties in former Sassanian territories pincered a lot of income, manpower, and resources from the Caliphate in Baghdad\n4. As soon as internal threats were gone, Byzantine progress and recovery was reversed\n5. Thereby claiming Manzikert was somehow the final nail in the coffin for restoration of the empire or its survival is nonsensical"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>Byzantines are not \"Romans\", they are Greeks since the 7th century.\nWhy do you say that?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>52\nDuring the Komnenian Restoration the Byzantines had their own mini-Reconquista, where they retook most of the more valuable regions and cities.\n\nEven post-Fourth Crusade the Empire of Nicaea held the anatolian frontlines stable and in an alternative history it is conceivable that they might have finished the full reconquest after the Rum Seljuk Sultanate imploded."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nThe Komnenian Empire was a hybridized version of Western European feudalism and the old Roman imperial system which makes it barbaroi cringe."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\n>didnt hold rome\n>didnt speak latin\n>different political system (introduction of themes)\n\nessentially the only thing they could claim was that they were he successor to eastern rome empire and had continuity, but other than that they were not roman in pretty much any sense\n\nthis is why they are the byzantines, not eastern rome"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nBy this logic the Roman Republic fails to meet one of your arbitrary criteria"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nThe Roman Empire as a political entity detached itself from the city of Rome long before the West even fell."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n\n> Manzikert was a 1 in 100 perfect storm fluke victory for the Turks that completely changed the course of history.\n\nNo, it absolutely did not.\nThe Turks did jack shit after Manzikert, and kept attacking the Caucasus and Egypt.\n\nIt was the imbecile Byzies starting a 30 year fucking set of civil wars that changed the course of history.\n\nFor fucks sake the fucking eunuch whorefucks literally invited Turkish warlords to invade and take chunks of Anatolia as payment for fighting the other guys of the court.\n\nNicea, the second largest city in Anatolia, a mere stone throw away from Constantinople,\nwas\nLITERALLY GIVEN TO THE TURKS,\nby usurper Byzantine fuckfaces.\n\nThe Byzies were the most imbecile faction of world history.\nThe diadochi of the medieval period, a pathetic succesor state larping as the originals"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\n>>didnt hold rome\nmeme\n>>didnt speak latin\ngreek was considered the other major language of the republic and empire. heraclius didn't change the official language to greek btw, this is also a meme.\n>>different political system (introduction of themes)\nERE existed for a millenia, of course there are going to be changes. doesn't mean they don't have continuity with rome"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>76\n>didnt hold rome\nThis argument always makes me laugh because that city has been cucked during the Dominate so thoroughly barely any emperor ruling the entire empire has visited it ever since Constantinople has become a new capital. I swear the only reason why people bring it up is muh name, which isn't even accurate from the contemporary perspective since around the same time the country started being colloquially referred to as Romania rather than Rome in recognition of the old capital's irrelevance"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmanzikert is one of the proofs that Byzantium was its own worst enemy.\n>Sassanid invasion of the 600s: Byzantines are at fault\n>Seljuk conquest of Anatolia: Absolutely Byzantine fault, might as well offer them on a silver plate\n>1204: Byzantines didn't pay debt\n>Palailogan civil war: Byzantine infighting allowed the Ottoman to grow"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhad Romanos won, Romania could somehow stop the bleed and maybe go either in the offensive or entrench to what was coming. michael doukas was the true calamity after manzikert\n\n>>74\nit's a shame Manuel system did not work, but what he achieved was impressive. He had an empire on par with the west and on top of that LOTS of gold\n\n>>48\njust imagine still having God's viceregent on earth... they had to shut it down ofc"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the streets of Paris a ghostly sight\nLionel Pessi roams the night\nNow tremble in the face of his tricks\nThe master of the penalty kick"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>76\nThese posters are so retarded I'm surprised they can even breathe. This is their answer every single time. I'd really love to see the reactions of Romans if this chump were to go back in time and explain to them that being a Roman simply means proficiency in Latin and living under a government that occupies the city of Rome."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>3\nByzantines having a civil war and losing provinces in the process isn't a 1 in 100 perfect storm fluke, it's fairly typical of the Roman political system."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>24\ninteresting take"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat a shitty empire.\nThe Turks treated Romanos IV better than his own court.\nYes, he fucked up and lost the battle, but he didn’t deserve what the Doukos faggots did to him afterward.\nFuck the Byzantines."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>42\nExcept protestants were saying the same shit about catholics back in the day."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>79\n>You now remembered the Turks first landed in Europe not as part of their conquest plan, but were rather litterally invited by the byzos to take part in their civil war number 9009\n\nAnd byzcells still have the balls of accusing the latin crusaders to had destroyed the empire, kek"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>35\n>what is eastern front\n>what are allied bombings\nafter Kursk they were economically exhausted and defeat was only a matter of time"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>79\n>>90\nYou people are retarded. The Turks didn't land in Europe because the Byzantines invited them, but because an earthquake hit Gallipoli which left the area devastated and deserted until the Ottomans decided to just colonise it because why not. The Ottomans once tried to cross the Bosphorus on their own before but the Byzantines beat them back in a battle."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>77\nAll of the capitals in the Republic, Principate, and Dominate periods were still in Italy, you fucking idiot, the majority of the population spoke Latin, and iconcalsm hadn't happened yet."}, {"id": 94, "content": "The world today if Doukids were not jew subhumans"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwow it's almost like life is often dick-tated by chance instead of some abstract numbers in your excel sheet map painter vidya"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>76\nAt this point I your points are just baits, but still...\n>Constantine renamed Byzantium to New Rome and intended it as the new capital\n>Greek had always been spoken by the Roman elite and polymaths of the empire, it was always part of the Roman identity\n>Roman political system changed every century, so thema system wasn't any more drastic than the Empire had faced earlier\n>Consider themself Roman\n>Followed the Roman laws"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>13\nRetarded tankie cope"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nBut what was the background of Manzikert? Do you know of it?\n\nEmperor Constantine Doukas, shortly before his death, declared 2 of of his 3 sons co-emperors for whatever reason, and makes his wife Eudokia vow not to remarry\nEudokia wants to rule alone. She prints coins of herself, keeping her children off the government. Though it was probably for the best, as Michael seemed to be autistic and Konstantios was not of age\nShe also ignores the vow not to remarry and weds Romanos Diogenes, who is resentful of her power\nRomanos has 2 children with her, all of which are crowned co-emperors. He also crowns her remaining son from her previous marriage co-emperor\nAnd on the background, the caesar John Doukas is pissed that his family lost control of the throne and we also got some eunuch fuckery\n\nSo we have:\n>Empress Eudokia\n>Emperor Romanos\n>Emperor Michael VII\n>Emperor Andronikos\n>Emperor Konstantios\n>Emperor Nikephoros\n>Emperor Leo\n>Hopelessly corrupt court\n\nIt was over. \"Manzikert\" is the scapegoat. There was 0 way this wouldn't result in a massive civil war sooner or later\nThe Empire's corruption led into this, not the Turks. It was a miracle that the Komnenoi just barely managed to keep shit together and eventually rejuvenated the Empire"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>75\nit wasn't, george ostrogorsky's view on the pronoia system is severely outdated"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>94\n>iCloud. Purchase additional storage or remove some documents from iCloud."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\n>There was 0 way this wouldn't result in a massive civil war sooner or later\nIf Rhomanos got his big military victory he would have enough court cred to reign in the factions, at least for the duration of his reign.\nRemember Basil II was basically in the same spot."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So trinitarians worship three persons ?\n\nHow is that not polytheism ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is over 2000 years of writing about the trinity, why ask 4chan? Google even gives you a quick answer"}, {"id": 3, "content": "ACKtheists needs to find better material"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>There is over 2000 years of writing about the trinity\n\nWhy isn't it in the Bible ?\n\n>>3\nI'm not an atheist, I'm a JW. I worship only one person, that means I'm a monotheist !"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>I'm not an atheist, I'm a JW\nJehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians.\nThe only compliment I can give is that they aren't as mentally ill as Mormons."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christians.\n\nwhy not ?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>why not ?\nIs one a Christian if they write their own new version of the bible and insert new beliefs?\nNo.\nLutherans might interpret things differently from Catholics and the Orthodox but they still follow the same bibles.\nThe latter day saint groups are equivalent to the black Israelite movements."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nthe stepfather, the stepson, the holy cuckerino. amen"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Is one a Christian if they write their own new version of the bible and insert new beliefs?\n\nThe New World Translation is based on up-to-date scholarly research and the most reliable ancient manuscripts.\n\nIn contrast, the King James Version of 1611 was based on manuscripts that were often less accurate and not as old as those used in producing the New World Translation.\n\nWhat is the problem ?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nJWs are Christian as much as Gnostics are Christian. Are Gnostics Christian?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause, God is one.\nAlso, nice seeing the false prophet (islam) uniting with false teachers (jw)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nWhy do you bother asking why? You aren't going to argue or accept anyone else's arguments. You just copy/paste from your site.\n\nReligion threads immediately go downhill once a jwfag asks \"but why\"."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nWhy wouldn't JWs be Christian ? We are the only ones following the Bible\n\n>>11\nWhat does islam have to do with my thread ?\nHow are JWs false teachers ?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>What does islam have to do with my thread ?\nthe picrel literally has words \"peace be upon him\" and a girl wearing hijab, saying goes \"if it walks like a duck...\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Why do you bother asking why?\n\nBecause I want to know\n\n>You aren't going to argue or accept anyone else's arguments\n\nWhich arguments ?\n\n>You just copy/paste from your site\n\nWhat did I copy/paste from ? Can you show me precisely ?\n\n>Religion threads immediately go downhill once a jwfag asks \"but why\".\n\nIf you affirm something, shouldn't you be able to back it up ?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>the picrel literally has words \"peace be upon him\"\n\nWhy is it a problem ? I wish peace upon the Son\n\n>and a girl wearing hijab\n\nHijabs aren't necessarily islamic, see pic"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>Why wouldn't JWs be Christian ? We are the only ones following the Bible\nAre Gnostics Christian? You didn't answer"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Are Gnostics Christian?\n\nNo they're not, they deny that Jesus came in the flesh"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\n>The New World Translation is based on up-to-date scholarly research\nThere's nothing scholarly about it.\nIt is complete bullshit.\n>>11\n>Also, nice seeing the false prophet (islam) uniting with false teachers (jw).\nAnd they both came rather late historically too.\nLong after all the actual biblical figures existed.\n>>15\nVery cool mentally ill JW anon. Very cool.\nClap clap."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Why is it a problem ? I wish peace upon the Son\nit is literally a word Muslims obliged to use after name of prophets, are you trolling me or are you genuinely retarded?\nPlease say \"Jesus is son of God\"\n>Hijabs aren't necessarily islamic, see pic\nYou are literally hairsplitting now\n>but pic\npictures arent first source of infos, neither memes. All encyclopedias state hijab is islamic. You want to unite with the false prophet so much, dont you?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>Hijabs aren't necessarily islamic, see pic\nThat isn't a Hijab you fucking retard.\nThat's a shawl."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nSo you agree Christian doesn't simply mean someone who claims to follow Christ. That's why JWs aren't Christian, you deny core doctrines held by the church for millennia. You can redefine the word but don't expect anyone to agree"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause it's how God chose to interact with humanity, first as father, then as son, then as holy spirit.\nAnd He is completely God in every person, the same and only eternal God creator of all things.\nIn the OT is all foreshadowed already, both Jesus and the Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>There's nothing scholarly about it.\n\nWhy ?\n\n>It is complete bullshit.\n\nWhy ?\n\n>And they both came rather late historically too.\n\nJWs exist since the beginning of time though. Jesus is the first JW\n\n>>20\n>Please say \"Jesus is son of God\"\n\nJesus is the Son of God !\n\n>All encyclopedias state hijab is islamic.\n\nActually, it can be cultural\n\n>>21\na hijab is a shawl\n\n>>22\n>So you agree Christian doesn't simply mean someone who claims to follow Christ\n\nYes\n\n>That's why JWs aren't Christian, you deny core doctrines held by the church for millennia\n\nAll my doctrines come from the Bible though\n\n>>23\nJehovah God is only explicitly identified as \"ONE\" (1) in the Bible, and the doctrine of the Trinity, which word literally meaning a set of three, ascribes a co-equal threeness to the being of the infinite God that is NOT scriptural !"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nTake your pills\n>a hijab is a shawl\nNo it isn't mentally retarded JW anon.\nThere is a very specific and major difference.\nThis can be your homework for today.\nUse your fucking microcephalic excuse of a brain to research the difference between a shawl and a hijab."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>JWs exist since the beginning of time though. Jesus is the first JW\nThe first JW was Charles Taze Russell in 1870."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's really not that complicated. 3 co-equal persons in unity with 1 divine essence (God)."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nHijab are a type of shawl worn in the middle east !\n\n>>26\nThat's not true at all. There has been lots of JWs before Russell.\n\nAbel, Noah, Sarah, st Peter, st Paul, Wycliffe, Tyndale, were all JWs.\n\n>>27\nSo you worship three persons ?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI worship one substance with three unified persons."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nThe first Jehovah's Wiccans (JW) was Jesus \"LORD JEHOVAH\" Christ who all Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) hate."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMe, Myself, & I, duh.\n\nLORD JEHOVAH"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>Hijab are a type of shawl worn in the middle east !\nNope... Wrong. Big F JW anon.\n>>28\n>That's not true at all. There has been lots of JWs before Russell.\nWrong... JW retard doesn't even know the history of his own church.\n>>30\n>The first Jehovah's Wiccans (JW) was Jesus \"LORD JEHOVAH\" Christ who all Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) hate.\nTake your pills anon."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>6\n>why not ?\nIf you don't believe that Jesus Christ is God, you're not a Christian. Simple as."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>Hail Satan\nDon't hail Satan."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>6\nno trintiy\njesus wasn't the Word made flesh\nHis resurrection didn't carry the prophesised messianic meaning and He did not bestow the Holy Spirit upon dying\nthe apostles were not entrusted with Divine mystery\nThe Church is devoid of it's substance and purpose\nthe kingdom of heaven was not introduced into the world and History isn't moving towards its consumation\nChristianity is empty"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nand Word is God."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\ncorrect"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>>37\n>>36\nSamefagging is sad JW anon."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nno, this is me arguing for the trinity explaining how denying the trinity leads to denying Christianity:\n>>36\n\nthis is whoever answering me:\n>>37\n\nthis is me again answering him:\n>>38"}, {"id": 41, "content": "You just posted a JWfagging thread on /pol/ you frog fuck. You have to be legitimately retarded to be a JW, you're in a gay little cult and I hope for your own sake that you're a teenager who was raised in it and simply doesn't know better. I'm not going to quote your posts or argue with you since there's no point, I came here to laugh at you."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>33\n>>35\nIN the beginning was the Devil, and the\nDevil was with God, and the Devil was\nGod, the Same was in the beginning\nwith God. All Things were made by\nhim; and without him was not any\nthing made that was made. G-D\n\nGod-Devil"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember a debate a few months ago about the Trinity. Not really an expert on the theology aspect but know a little about the metaphysics of identity, objecthood, and the like.\n\nOne common line of argument in that thread was that the Trinity was like the phases of water.\nIce<-->water<-->steam\n\nNote those are equivalence arrows as strict identity doesn't work.\n\nIt's easy in natural language to refer to different phases of something as the same thing,\n>He was frying chicken and for some dumb reason put an ice cube in the oil and covered it with a glass lid\n>The cube exploded into a rain of water\n>Then the water skirted over the hot oil and vaporized\n\"Ice cube\", \"rain of water\", \"water...vaporized\", and seem to refer to the same thing. There aren't three distinct H2O entities, but one entity in phase change.\n\nWhat's doing the work here is an essence, the microphysical structure of H2O which is invariant. For the phase change argument to work, the three persons must have an essence that's the same.\n\nThis avoids an immediate issue with identity of indiscernibles where all properties between identical things must be the same. This is often discussed in the language of necessity and possibility: there is no possible world where H2O exists where H2Ox=H2Oy and H2Ox cannot freeze while H2Oy can.\n\nBut as a non philosopher of religion, this makes me wonder how this squares with God, Holy Ghost, and Jesus being in some sense necessary beings. If they are necessary beings, and they have a shared essence, is the stuff that varies about them contingent? I'm sure a smart enough metaphysician can make this work via some conceptual tricks but I'd like to know how this is done. Or maybe it's not such a problem if some features are contingent?\n\nAnyway, I wouldn't say a monotheistic Trinity is as hard of a problem as first causation, infinity, and various other metaphysical issues."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nThe phases of water analogy is a famous heresy called modalism, much has been written on it if you'd like to know more."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nunderstanding the first person, the second person, and the third person is impossible for sure.\n\nhttps://www.grammarly.com/blog/first-second-and-third-person"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe stepfather, the stepson, the holy cuckerino. amen"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Holy Ghost writer strikes again. Lol"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nthe great grandmother, the great granddaughter, and the great holy ghost cuckerita writer. amen"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>40\nStop lying mentally ill JW anon."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>5\n> they aren't as mentally ill as Mormons.\nWhy not?"}, {"id": 51, "content": "I don't care if you call it polytheism, do that all you want. All that matters is that I worship God and Mohammedans worship the Devil."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nJWs are simply hardcore semitic-adjacent strict monotheists, basically what Muslims wish they were\nMormons are what Muslims actually are - a group of lunatic pedophile bandits that worship an alien and not the God of Abraham"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes JW know that your are posting on 4Chan? Won't you get in trouble with your cult if they find out that you have been visiting such Satanic web-sites?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nyes but some one must save you retards from the coming wrath. you are welcome and you can thank me afterwards"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>the coming wrath\nwhat a loving God"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>yes but some one must save you retards from the coming wrath. you are welcome and you can thank me afterwards\nDelusional with a capital D."}, {"id": 57, "content": "watch tower. what i say to one, i say to all. watch tower."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nIm sure it will happen any day now. Like always."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>24\n>identified as \"ONE\" (1) in the Bible\nYes obviously God is one\n>and the doctrine of the Trinity, which word literally meaning a set of three\nNo, read better\n>ascribes a co-equal threeness\nNo, filtered\n>that is NOT scriptural\nit is scriptural as fuck did you even actually read the Bible (not the JW Bible, a real bible)?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>13\n>>29\n>>46\n>>47\n>>57\n>>59\nMay the Gods and the Goddesses of the Bibles and Qur'ans bless You"}, {"id": 61, "content": "If jw is the true church why did they send a sympathetic letter to hitler praising him and claiming they had the same goals?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>34\nDoes Jesus have a God ?\n\n>>36\n>no trintiy\n\nWhere does it say God is triune ?\n\n>>41\n>You have to be legitimately retarded to be a JW\n\nWhy ?\n\n>>51\n> I worship God\n\nWhich one ?\n\nThe Father ? The Son ? The Holy Ghost ? Or all three Gods ?\n\n>>53\nWhat's satanic about discussing history ?\n\nI don't get it\n\n>>59\n>it is scriptural\n\nWhere does it say the Son and the Holy Ghost are equal to the Father ?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nDid you actually read the letter ?\n\nWhen the declaration of facts is read without bias and without reading any ideas into it, and only taking out what the information that is there, one will see that there never was any support for Hitler.\n\nthe declaration was written because the German government had confiscated WTS property and banned literature. The WTS was falsely accused of being funded by the Jews.\n\n\"It is falsely charged by our enemies that we have received financial support for our work from the Jews. Nothing is farther from the truth. Up to this hour there never has been the slightest bit of money contributed to our work by Jews\"\n\nWhat was it that the WTS agreed with the German Government about…\n\n\"The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence m the political affairs of the nation. Such is exactly our position; and we further state in our literature the reason for the existence of oppressive Big Business and the wrongful political religious influence,\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The highest buildings nowadays still stand nor did their builders face retribution from YHWH so they must be smaller than Babylon's tower. Just how advanced were the ancients?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "My pastor explained it as such;\n\nThe builders wouldn't have managed to reach God through their tower, but through their arrogance and belief in themselves as masters of such a tower in such an extremely early point in history, they would be utterly certain of being gods themselves and thus ruining God's plan of salvation. To put it simply;\n\nHumans would've been too proud if they managed to do it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthats not what the bible says"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a ziggurat"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt didn't exist."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nWhy didn't Yah nuke Egypt for building these fucking things for their god-kings?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nThis is a modernist cope."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nBigger pyramids used to exist. Aliens were in a hurry so if there was a malfunction they lacked the tie to fix all of them some of the smaller ones were left behind"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n>>6\n>>7\nhe's not wrong.\n>NOOO IT MUST BE FUNDAMENTALIST OR NOTHING\nWhy are atheshits such lore purists for something they dont even believe?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nYour pastor is a retard, the scripture is clear\nFuck your LGBT pastor and fuck the jewish demon"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nno, the true reasons he disrupted it are:\n1. to spread people across the world as he commanded\nand 2 (a little schizo teir): nimrod probably wanted something supernatural to happen, like creating a portal. the pyramids of egypt used to be altars built by enoch, so i'm guessing humans back then wanted to do the same thing for their own gods"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nA ziggurat is literaly a 'starway to heaven' or tower to heaven same thing\nIts divided into segments, by the end there were up to 7 or 8 of them, the 9th usualy being the heaven as such, each one representing either a 'stage' of ascencion or one of the 'heavens' youre supposed to ascend trough, again same thing\nSo, fundamentaly, the ziggurat was a tower by which you climbed up to god\nAlong the way prayers, rituals and sacrifices were made and ceremonies went up and down and people went on pilgrimages from all arround to climb them on some holy days while on other days only the priests and/or kings could go there and so on and so forth\nEach segment and element and starway and altar aling the way was correlated with astrological and ezoteric meaning and consecrated to different lesser dieties and whatnot\nAnd some of these things were huge\nAs in fuckhuge\n\nIts a lot like how the buddhist stupas developed from a mound to a steped mound to a whole 5 story high temple complex that people crawl on theyr knees arround\n\nAnd thats the 'tower of babel'\nThe biggest ones werent even in babilon\n\nThe simbology is fucking obvious, massive imperialistic decadent urban centre dragging all the people arround it to build a affront to god trough arrogance and bla bla\nThe jews were just butthurt someone built a bigger temple then them"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>have a book that is the direct word of God according to you\n>\"Let me tell you MY interpretation\""}, {"id": 14, "content": "It was a ziggurat"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Here I thought God was all about respecting people's free will to sin\nwhy is he preventing them building the tower, but not preventing other evils? what explains that?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>they must be smaller than Babylon's tower\nThe size isn't why they were punished"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nThis. They've excavated its foundation, IIRC it bears an inscription \"Marduk had me set this tower here to bridge heaven and earth\"\n>>15\n>Here I thought God was all about respecting people's free will to sin\nWho told you that?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>Who told you that?\nDirk"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nI've always thought of it as a temple to Marduk, and therefore Jupiter, but that's basically speculation on my part."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere's an apocryphal book which retells the story with the detail that the builders have reached the dome of the firmament and were already drilling it when the confusion of languages hit."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKircher proved it didn't reach past the moon"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>Here I thought God was all about respecting people's free will to sin\nonly when it is useful for the christian's argument, i.e. not now."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nWell it probably took on that function some time after the confounding."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>6\nHe was scared of BBC"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\n>the creation story was an allegory\n>Adam and Eve was an allegory\n>the flood was an allegory\n>the Tower of Babel was an allegory\n>any factually wrong part of the Bible is an allegory\nChrist at this rate you’ll be arguing that Jesus’s resurrection was an allegory"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBetween this and the Book of Revelations talking about a one world government bringing about the end times, I must ask. What does God have against human cooperation? Increased levels of human cooperation throughout history ALWAYS make humans in the aggregate better off. Yet, God seems to get his panties in a twist whenever humans decide to work together for mutual benefit"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nDo you really think what is stopping human flourishing is the lack of our elites being unified?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nIncreased human cooperation has lead to increases in quality of life. There is a reason that we have air conditioning and penicillin while tribes are all stuck in the Stone Age"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwasn't the whole thing just a mockery of Babylon made by the when they were slaves?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImpossible question to answer since humans are blocked by God from ever having an understanding of it."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nNope. Every word of the bible is true"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>13\n>direct word of God\nChristians don't believe that. You're thinking of the Quran"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>20\nCitation needed"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Tower of Babel\nEither didn't happen or was a grossly exaggerated event by later writers."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nBlatantly false statement."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Geneva 1599"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\ncope\n>>36\nWhere's the study notes?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nWhy are you even posting in here? Are you autistic? Do you think normal people that aren’t interest in lifted pick up trucks go to forums about lifted pick up trucks and just mouth off to the posters? You need to stop posting. Read what you like and stay out of religious threads."}, {"id": 39, "content": "it was a rocket"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nYou're retarded if you seriously believe all the BS in the bible.\n\n>>38\n>>I should be able to spout my bullshit without being reminded that I am spouting bullshit.\nHow about no, faggot?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>unknown\nNo amount of men wearing hats will make your imaginary friend real, christfaggot."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nWhy does God make you so angry?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was there any way the Visigoths could have resisted the Muslim invasion and remained a Christian kingdom?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "they were at each others throat all the time\nin fact the muslims disembarked on the peninsula to support some warlord against another"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKilled the jews unironically. Not an anti-semite but the jews went on to open the gates of Toledo for the Muslims, who then proceeded to kill every Christian in the city. All the nobles were also in Toledo at the time so the Visigoths were left completely leaderless and with a depopulated capital"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Visigoths became the muslim rulers"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe issue here is that at those times no one knew what islam was since it was created 100 years previously and northern Africa became islamic the decades before.\n\nSo, for a visigoth or a native catholic it was not a big deal since visigoth had already changed religion from arianism to catholicism just 120 years earlier, and catholics had been catholics for 200-300 years only (and paganism was still strong in rural areas).\n\nSo, it was a visigoth count (the governor of Ceuta) the ones that hired the muslims to side with him in the Visigothic Civil War of 710, yet they betrayed everyone when they were there.\n\nBasically the same as now. Politicians inviting tens of millions of people without the consent of the native Europeans…and we will pay for this mistake for the next centuries. IN this case without the same solution."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop infighting. Beating the muslims is easy, you could win a single big battle through a fluke and their invasion fails, stabilizing the kingdom however is a very different matter. The Visigoths were always poorly led and divided so even the Franks, constantly dividing up their kingdom were able to rape them. Even had the Muslim invasion been defeated they would have either collapsed due to internal divisions, been slowly absorbed by the Franks, or outright conquered like the Burgundians and Saxons."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInviting the Muslims to their lands was the first and only mistake. The Berbers entered Hispania as mercenaries but then they betrayed the nobles who hired them, in first place.\n\n>inb4 political instability\nHispania was not more unstable than England or Francia at the time, they were having the average problems a proto-feudalistic kingdom could get.\nI blame the lack of info and interest about the Visigoths for the general consensus of Iberia being an unstable shithole that had no salvation until the Muslims came. Like almost no one gives a fuck about Visigothic Iberia between historians, it's almost always pro-Muslim or pro-Reconquista fans, but never pro-Visigoth fans. It is almost lost history at this point."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably not, the Visigothic Kingdom was by far the weakest and most unstable Kingdom post Rome bar the Burgundians. They had fell into political anarchy as was the usual and the Arabs exploited it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Hispanic was not more unstable than England or Francia\nWhat the hell do you mean by this. They were literally mocked by Gregory of Tours for just how frequent and violent political process in Iberia was. It was far more common for a King to be murdered and deposed than die naturally, there was no dynasty, extreme political violence towards the King and frequent civil war. The Merovingian dynasty maintained its position, Kings rarely ever died due to internal conflict and the divisions of the Merovingian kingdom usually cooperated with each other rather than a fight to the death. England wasn’t even a kingdom yet and was divided between multiple different states, it’s hardly comparable."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was his problem? What was his endgame? What did he hope to accomplish? Why?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSocrates was alpine goblinito"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was tired of the gay twinkfuckers in clean sheets acting like they invented thinking"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe never existed"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhats with this meme? Did Socrates and Diogenes even interacted? Diogenes is also the most reddit philosopher, the ideal fedora tipper, church of Satan larper of his time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNo, Diogenes lived about a hundred years after Socrates considering he interacted with Alexander in that one famous aphorism."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThose are all questions he would laugh at"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was based, though is modern fan base are cringe fags."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n\nHe was neurotic and nihilistic, his idea was basicaly to lie down and act like nothing bothers him, like what are you going to do, kill him, yea like he even cares"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>goal: fuck with normies\n>accomplished"}, {"id": 11, "content": "how do i get a beard as full as that"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nwrestle in olive oil naked\nfuck twinks"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfake drug grown beard, its too full under the lips. also dude doesnt look greek neither modern nor ancient."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nThat's not what nihilism is, dummy.\nHis idea was to prove that existential happiness are not dependent on societal norms."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndid you turn up the contrast on that photo?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">THE PALE DEATH OF SARAC*NS\nENTER NIKEPHOROS PHOKAS\n\n>His name literally means The Victory Bringer.\n>He was born into a prominent military family in cappadocia theme. Risen through the ranks to become a general and won so many battles that the current emperor Constantine VII trust him in charge of the eastern armies (basically the biggest armies in the empire).\n>He could lift a fully-armored soldier onto his horse with one hand despite his rather skinny figure as you can see from picrel and his statue in heraklion.\n>Mastered feigned retreat and siege stuff. He captured Chandax, the same Chandax the Ottomans were sieging for 21 years against the Venetians. Captured key stronghold points of enemies on the byzantine's border (Dorostolon, Hadath, Aleppo, and Antioch).\n>Wanted to reform the Empire into a major player in eastern mediterranean (Centralizing the realm around the emperor, Suggesting a dedicated armies instead of levies, Seizing power and autonomy from aristocarts and local governors, more tax and business ideas to pay for the armies) However all of these were refused and everyone was mad at \"high\" tax rate.\n>Requested the Patritiach to make all Roman soldiers, who fell in battle against the Muslims, martyrs although this was also refused.\n>Barely spent his time in Constantinople and was always away cooonquering something\n>Probably never have sex in his martial-monastic life.\n>Co-Founder of Mt. Athos\n>During his assassination, the conspirators did not find him on his bed, this scared the shit out of the agents but later on he was actually found just sleeping casually on a rug on the floor, one of the many ascetic practices he adopted during his life.\n>His life was summed up in the phrase inscribed on his sarcophagus: “You conquered all but a woman.”"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>His life was summed up in the phrase inscribed on his sarcophagus: “You conquered all but a woman.”\nhe's just like me fr"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWarrior-Monastic life sounds based in medieval times"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"You conquered all but a woman.\"\nBecause his wife betrayed him and helped the conspirators"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Easily defeats all of the empires enemies\n>Assassinated because you refused to sleep with your wife\nBased"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nGod, I hate women so much."}, {"id": 7, "content": "He was a swarthy midget, as described by Liutprand of Cremona"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nUnironic biased source, Liutprand was seething because he got dicked around by the court"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne of my favourite Roman emperors"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the Third Reich and Japan had launched a joint attack on the USSR from their respective sides, would the Axis have had a chance of winning?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many fucking threads need to be made about this topic asking the same three questions getting variations of the same three answers"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost vital aid to the Soviets came from Iran to the Caspian and from the north sea. Japan's entire military capacity would be bled dry trying to maintain and defend any gained Siberian land, and unlike the west, the geography only becomes more defensible as you go in deeper from the east. Tieing up that many jap troops will also cause the failing China front to collapse even faster also no Jap leader would attack the Russians when they couldn't even subdue the chinks"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe japs fumbled the ball against the incredibly crappy pre-major reform 1939 Red Army that ate shit against Finland. Considering that, a single battle on the scale of Stalingrad or Kursk probably would have crippled the Japanese economy and, as the other anon said, also ruin what useless progress they had made in China."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Lost bad to the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol\n>Struggling to take Chinese villages\nMany people still don't realize Japan just wasn't at the same level as Germany or the USSR. Germany actually invaded along with Italy and Romania but no one remembers that. Japan was basically Italy tier in strength"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApparently that was the biggest regret Hitler had in the Fuhrerbunker before his death; not involving Japan in Operation Barbarossa."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAnd it would be the only options that Hitler could have taken that would have had zero impact on the war effort against the Soviets at all. You do know why Japan invested so heavily on their navy right? Because they lacked all of the goods needed to be able to wage a modern war. Germany atleast had a fuck ton of coal and neighbors with metals and oil. Japan had nothing and only a miniscule amount that was known in Siberia and Indonesia. A japan that invaded the Soviets instead of spending its efforts to launch a massive surprise attack against Euro colonies is a Japan that loses even more badly that it did in OTL. The Jap leadership was aware of this too, a timeline where Hitler tries forcing the Japs hand is possibly a timeline where Japan tries to allign with the allies instead of even trying to please Germany. They’d fail but it would be preferable to equivalent of Mexico trying to conquer the US with vastly inferior troops, manpower, and industry against absolute dogshit geography that is the American South west and Eastern Siberia respectively"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, barely any Siberian divisions actually took part in the Soviet counter attack, and its not like the USSR was going to actually split its forces evenly, all Japan would do is instead of getting btfo'd in the Pacific they would get btfo'd in China"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is true btw\n>inb4 BUT THEY HAD TO DO HOUSE CHORES\nSo? What wasn't done in community didn't take so much time that they didn't have any for other activities.\n>inb4 BUT LE WAR LE PLAGUE LE EBIL CHURCH KILLIN EVRYBODY\nThis is like when you say something about how certain aspects of the 50s were good and they reply with shit like \"but there was racism and no women's rights!\", which has nothing to do with what you said. Besides, if everyone was just dying constantly, every day, by the millions like these people seem to imply, you and I wouldn't be here today.\n>inb4 BUT THEY LIVED SHITTY MISERABLE LIVES IN A THEOCRATIC DICTATORSHIP THAT CONTROLLED EVERYTHING\nSome did, some didn't, it really depends on time and place. Also, look at any third world shithole and you'll find happy people despite living in shitty conditions, and many of them don't live in cozy medieval villages with pure air, close knit communities and connection to nature. People also over-estimate how much the church and state interfered with the life of the average peasant."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’ve been told by people who work on farms that this is bullshit."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey also died on their 20/30's so it means shit even if they worked less when you are also living in extreme poverty every day of your life on top of having a low lifespan"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI could give a long explanation of medieval labor and how you are misguided in your understanding of the Middle Ages, but I’m pretty tired, so I’ll just call you a retarded faggot for now. Might come back later to give a proper explanation."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nconsider the possibility that this shit was debunked so many times that OP must know it's bullshit but wherever he goes, he must also troll. iow not worth it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>they also died on their 20/30's\nwho did and how?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>4\n>>5\nCan you tell me who was going to all those fairs, festivals, taverns and churches if everyone was just slaving constantly?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nkys OP. you think it's a win if people invest work into a reply to your asinine claims."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\ninfections, famine, poverty, plagues, wars. most infants died before becoming a few years old\n>The combination of high infant mortality and deaths in young adulthood from accidents, epidemics, plagues, wars, and childbirth, before modern medicine was widely available, significantly lowers LEB."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nresdit tier pseudointellectual who doesnt know a farmer worked for every hour of his work day\nthey literally slept next tot heir work environemnt"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nSo no response? Do you just believe everything you read on reddit?\n>>10\nReally? So tell me who: >>7\n>>9\nBesides childbirth and infant mortality, all those other things weren't common everywhere"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>all those other things weren't common everywhere\nalmost everyone lived in extreme poverty and had a short life due to a combination of the things i already said, this is not up for debate, everything else is fiction"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only things that make me even slightly happy are eating good food/drinking pop, showering, playing video games, watching movies/tv shows/porn, reading things on the internet in general, and sleeping. In the medieval era there would be literally nothing to look forward to except sleeping. God is a retard who spams these threads because he's mad that there is literally anything in life to enjoy. God wants life to be completely miserable with nothing to enjoy whatsoever because he's a retarded sadist."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe industrial revolution and it's consequences were a disaster for the human race."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>Really? So tell me who\nfeastdays existing dfoesnt mean serfs werent doing normal work in workdays"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nthe retard who started this trope did not understand that all those holidays were a brutal burden that had to be violently enforced - witness all the law codes about punishing people who work on holidays - because agriculture is an opportunistic endeavor. my grandparents were peasants in a backward village where theirown superstition a.k.a. christianity and the pressure of the public opinion still enforced a few of these \"holidays\", and they were constantly anxious about the weather being clement enough to allow them to do the necessary work on the allowed days. in the olden days of serfdom they were also plagued with having to work for the feudal lord on days withgood weather. OP is full of shit and judging from his attempts to goad people into replying, he knows he is."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nWhat does that have to do with the number of days worked?\nTell you one: Nobody worked any fields during winter."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWe're talking about humans. Not slav serfs living under Ivan the Terrible."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>all those holidays were a brutal burden that had to be violently enforced\nStill doesnt refute OPs post"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nbased, wannabe feudal serfcucks BTFO'd"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI am a hermit and I would hate living in a cohesive community where I can't fall through the cracks and be a neurotic bookworm."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>but muh everyone was a miserable slave and no one ever enjoyed any holidays or festivals\nImagine actually believing no one was ever happy before modernity\n>>15\nSo you admit they weren't working ALL the time?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nBecome a hermit"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nnope, goalpost moving doesn't work either."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nYou realize monasteries were a thing, right?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nWhat goalpost was moved?"}, {"id": 27, "content": "no one worked in winter"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nthey still had to feed the animals, and they had to gather grain or whatever during non winter time to give them during winter, so extra work\nalso it doesn't snow everywhere in europe in winter"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>no one worked in winter\nNo Electric-Jew either to force you to work indoors during bad periods.\nThat alone is probably worth the price of admission."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nNot rich enough to join one. But if I managed to do it it'd be a good life."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\n>they had to gather grain or whatever during non winter time\nWhich means they didnt do that work in winter. Any more goalpost moving?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>they didn't feed the animals in winter\nlol"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This is true btw\nIt isn't true. You are a stupid autistic retard that regurgitates memes like a mindless robot.\nYou don't check anything and take memes as legitimate history.\nPlease just kill yourself. NOW."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\nplus they had to go on hunting rounds to kill off the hungry wolves, to avoid them fucking up the village and the farm animals\nOP is turbo city slicker\nsneed"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\nOrphans were often cared for by monasteries, and those kids themselves could go on to become monks (as an option). You didn't have to be rich. Rich people just sent sons who wouldn't be a challenge to the heir (plus they thought their prayers would help the family)."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\n> they also died on their 20/30's\nCome on now. This is middle-school tier horseshit. Average life expectancy was low because of extremely high infant mortality. If you made it to your teens you had a decent shot of making it to your 50’s/60’s."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\nNobody was happy in the past retard. The only thing to look forward to for most people was sleeping. Maybe if you were in a position of power you could look forward to raping, dominating, abusing people, that's why you make these threads, because you want to rape, dominate and abuse people, not because you want to be somebody with nothing to look forward to but sleeping."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nI have to feed my pets too and clean their shit and i dont call that working"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\ndon't forget to take out the pigs shit, city slicker\nSNEED\nN\nE\nE\nD"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>unknown\n>oh no you posted a soijack I guess that means living a miserable life is actually a good thing."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\n>Average life expectancy was low because of extremely high infant mortality\nthis is another piece of horseshit. life expectancy at birth is completely uninformative. we use life expectancy at reaching adulthood for a reason."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>37\n>Nobody was happy in the past retard\nNice way to show your reddit-level retardation. Go back to watching your history channel dark ages doc goyslop, kid."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>Anything less than consooming product is misery."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nthen stop being an animu coomer addict\nPro-tip: you won't"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nI don't even remember the last anime I liked. I can take it or leave it. We're not on /a/ dude."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\ncool story bro"}, {"id": 47, "content": "long story short\nSNEED 4 FEED"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nYou assumed some stranger liked anime that much? You can do better. Take some time."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>31\n>Which means they didnt do that work in winter\nDude...\nWhat the fuck is wrong with your brain?\n>>30\n>Not rich enough to join one\nPEOPLE GAVE AWAY THEIR EXTRA OR UNWANTED KIDS TO THE CHURCH YOU FUCKING RETARD. IT WAS FREE. HOLY FUCK.\n>>29\n>No Electric-Jew either to force you to work indoors during bad periods.\n>That alone is probably worth the price of admission.\nLol. You are so out of touch with reality.\nYou would have died so quickly in the middle ages.\n>>22\n>Imagine actually believing no one was ever happy before modernity\nImagine actually believing that the middle ages weren't worse. Holy shit anon. Please grow yourself a new brain.\n>>22\n>So you admit they weren't working ALL the time?\nThe world was never one giant Chinese sweatshop anon.\n>>21\n>I am a hermit and I would hate living in a cohesive community where I can't fall through the cracks and be a neurotic bookworm.\nYep, you're a killable useless dysgenic autistic excuse for life. An affront to existence itself.\nThe shit that comes out the camels ass.\n>>19\n>Still doesnt refute OPs post\nThe OP meme picture?\nThere is nothing to refute mentally ill samefagger.\n>>14\n>The industrial revolution and it's consequences were a disaster for the human race.\nNo, the existence of autistic dysgenic retard welfare parasites like you was the disaster.\nWhy in the fuck should a functional healthy family pay for your dipshit existence?\n>>36\n>Come on now. This is middle-school tier horseshit.\nNo it isn't. Thirty was considered a whole life and 50 or 60 was considered very old.\nThe very first well documented person without a doubt to reach 100 was Eilif Philipsen (1682-1785); 102 years, 333 days.\nThat is very late historically speaking."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nIs your main retort to create fictional biographies for anons and defeat said strawman? This is the definition of cope. What are you doing?\nAnd for someone on a history board, you have a bleak, unrealistic view of the past."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>IT WAS FREE. HOLY FUCK\nThey accepted children for free but you couldn't join as an elderly person without donating a large sum. Those monasteries weren't meant to be retirement homes, taking care of old people who couldn't work."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>Is your main retort to create fictional biographies for anons\nThey aren't fictional. it's what they are.\n>defeat said strawman\nThey aren't strawman arguments mentally ill wannabe pseudointellectual anon.\n>This is the definition of cope.\nAh yes \"cope\" a favorite word of forever online trannies.\n>What are you doing?\nAsk yourself that.\n>And for someone on a history board, you have a bleak, unrealistic view of the past.\nI don't make shit up about the past unlike you anon. You are equivalent to a leftist white girl that travels to a south American shithole country only to be brutally murdered all because they thought everything native or indigenous is wonderful.\nThe \"noble savage\" myth.\n>>51\n>They accepted children for free\nThere you go, stfu and go home idiot anon.\n>but you couldn't join as an elderly person\nYeah, because everyone in 1350 was 70 years old like modern Japan anon..."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\n>The very first well documented person without a doubt to reach 100 was Eilif Philipsen (1682-1785); 102 years, 333 days.\ndepends where you draw the line for 'well documented'. Hermanaric king of the ostrogoths was said to have lived well past 100."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>7\nWe have fairs, festivals and taverns today that are always occupied and according to your perspective that would be impossible because people work 40 hours a week"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>comparing pre-industrial subsistence farming to housework\n>STILL ignoring that this recorded time is what they spent working for their lord, with the same amount of work having to be done again on their own (rented) land to ensure they don't starve to death\n\nFat American teenager detected."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>49\n>>52\nAutism is quite funny sometimes"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>16\n>no, no, no, you have to party with me and then starve, you can't work this day or else we will have food since it was impossible to work the rest of the week\nretarded claim"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>53\n>depends where you draw the line for 'well documented'. Hermanaric king of the ostrogoths was said to have lived well past 100.\nThat isn't well documented...\n>>53\n>We have fairs, festivals and taverns today that are always occupied and according to your perspective that would be impossible because people work 40 hours a week\nPubs, Alehouses and Inns were very rare until the start of the renaissance with the growth of city centers, increasing population and expanding middle class."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>17\n>Tell you one: Nobody worked any fields during winter\n>>27\n>no one worked in winter\n\nDo you think that the crops that you need to harvest in spring to make sure you dont starve when the autumn harvest runs out just magically appear out of the ground?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, bro, medieval society was slightly more advantageous in this one way. However:\n1) Holidays varied tremendously over the 1000+ years the era went on.\n2) The idea of a \"weekend\" and \"Saturdays are for the boys\" didn't exist yet and isn't included.\n3) Plenty of jobs today get ~150 days off a year and are respectable, pay well-enough, and achievable for you to get. For example, teachers get summers (~90 days/yr) and weekends (~60 days/yr) off, plus most holidays. If you want to prioritize free time (and it's a good choice to do so), then do it.\n4) Mandatory holidays are unethical and coercive. They necessarily reduce productivity and discriminate against (or for) minorities with their own holidays. For instance, New Jersey gets most of the Jewish holidays off. Public institutions are mandated to close for some random-ass Jewish holiday no one can pronounce.\n5) Peasants had no formal system of retirement, so you would likely work until you were infirm.\n6) While they worked much less, peasants had little say in what jobs they did. I would much rather have 100 days off as an accountant than 150 as a farm laborer, even back then.\n7) Many of these holidays already existed and it's deceptive to credit them to the Church.\n8) Many people work through holidays today and probably did in the past, even if it was minor things like housework.\n9) Though they had more holidays, we enjoy many other modern amenities."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>49\n\nYes mate, monasteries took in children for free. Now, quick question, what was the social status of monks and priests? Actual monks and priests, not the lay brothers who had the exact same shit job as any other peasant to keep the monasteries running and the monks and priests fed?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>56\n>Autism is quite funny sometimes\nNo, it's just sad autistic anon.\n>>57\n>retarded claim\nIt isn't a claim. It was reality.\nPeople that didn't visit their local church at the prescribed times were seen as heretics or \"fake\" Christians."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>58\ntaverns, hostels and similar stuff were not rare I would say, thoughsoever"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>Yes mate, monasteries took in children for free\nCool. STFU then.\nYou aren't intelligent and you never will be."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>57\nyep, it's retarded, but that was to be expected seeing how you just made it up."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\n>1 to 3 hr of 24hr\nso what is it, dumbo? They could work or not? Then where are the Church designated famines derived from this practice ? In your mind?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>7\nCan you tell me who is going to all those fairs, circuses, movie theaters, music festivals, luxury cruises, fashion boutiques, gun ranges, stage plays, taverns, drug dens, brothels, mini golf courses, regular golf courses, laser tag arenas, arcades, sporting events, bumper car rinks, ice skating rinks, skate parks, rodeos, malls, casinos, tourist attractions, museums, strip clubs, mosques, temples, and churches if everyone is just slaving constantly? And who is logging all of these hours into netflix, YouTube, Facebook, instagram, TikTok, Reddit, 4chan, and the rest of the internet?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\n\n>guy who thinks monasteries took in random stray children and made them into monks for free, calling others unintelligent\n\nDelicious"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>63\n>taverns, hostels and similar stuff were not rare\n...\nCars didn't exist anon. Farmers had to walk or travel by horse for hours.\nMost people were farmers anon.\nWe are talking about the 1300's anon.\nNot a single pub survives from that period. The earliest are all from the renaissance or baroque when talking about Britain."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\n\nHave you genuinely never heard of fasting before?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nThe replies to OPs image always implies peasants didn't do anything besides work"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\n>so what is it, dumbo? They could work or not? Then where are the Church designated famines derived from this practice ? In your mind?\nWhat are you even talking about now?\n>>68\n>Delicious\nThey literally did. You are so historically illiterate it is amazing really."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>49\n>You would have died so quickly in the middle ages.\nThere's no need to be mean. He would have been fine and it's perfectly acceptable to feel alienated in our silicon society.\n>Why in the fuck should a functional healthy family pay for your dipshit existence?\nBro it was the Church and the transition from Rome -> Middle Ages that led to the prohibition on things like infanticide. These people exist today because of Christian morality that began during the period we are discussing.\n>No it isn't. Thirty was considered a whole life and 50 or 60 was considered very old.\nIt is genuinely laughable that you berated a bunch of random strangers and told them to just listen to you, then turned around and said things that are blatantly historically false. 30 was never considered a \"whole life\" because you're only maybe half-way there.\nYes, 50-70 would be the window you'd expect to die in. People living past 60 would probably be considered old, but they always were and are today.\n100 is an unusually high age that most people won't reach even today. The issue wasn't that they had some shit nutrition that caused them all to drop dead at 30. The issue, medically speaking, is that a strong wind could kill them. Last year I got appendicitis and it was a minor surgery where I didn't even need to spend a night in the hospital. If it had been 800 AD, I would be dead from an excruciating sickness and they wouldn't even know why."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\n>Have you genuinely never heard of fasting before?\nHe hasn't heard of Ash Wednesday and Good Friday because he's an idiot."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>71\nAnd OP has implied that the existence of leisure facilities demonstrates that the populace was not working. I’m curious as to how he reconciles the fact that we have such an unimaginably vast array of leisure activities today compared to the time period he insists was comparatively leisurely."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>69\nthey were in the cities and villages, the world is not your D&D setting, maybe there are no bong pubs but there are even remnants of Roman taverns\n>>72\nabout your retarded claims\n>>70\nnigger, I've seen ramadan muslims working under the sun of summer in Spain, you're full of shit"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>43\nYes idiot, experientially negative things like being dominated and abused, working, being hungry, being bored, being lonely etc are miserable and experientially positive things like eating good food, playing video games, watching movies, watching porn, etc are joyful. The medieval era was almost 100% miserable (experientially negative experiences). That's why you spam these threads, because you want life to be completely miserable."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nWell you could argue it's just a matter of technology. It's incredibly difficult to build a large complex in Ancient Times. Today, you just buy an abandoned warehouse and fill it with arcade machines. Similarly, travel is extremely easy these days while it would have been nearly impossible beforehand.\nI think it's honestly not absurd to suggest that both societies had a similar relationship with, and amount of, leisure. In absence of things like smartphones, the Ancients had holidays, prostitutes, and psychedelics."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nAt the end of the day, nothing in modern technology has ever made, or perhaps ever will make, feels as good as raw-dogging your loving wife. They were doing it back then and they're doing it now. I reckon they're about the same level of happiness."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\n\nSo why are you baffled at the idea of rhe medieval church enforcing fasting?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>76\n\nAlso, where are the remnants of these Roman taverns? In the middle of bumfuck nowhere villages or ???"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>72\n\nWhich monasteries litterally did take random kids who showed up at the door and made them into monks instead of tossing them to the lay brothers? You do know what that term means, right?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>73\n>There's no need to be mean\nReality isn't mean anon. It just is.\n>>73\n>that led to the prohibition on things like infanticide\nPeople abandoned their unwanted children in the woods anon. There is a long folklore tradition of that. The whole population wasn't registered on a monthly updated database with a huge police force to investigate every crime like today. Cameras didn't exist. DNA testing didn't exist.\n>It is genuinely laughable that you berated a bunch of random strangers and told them to just listen to you\nYou are the Dunning-Kruger effect anon.\n>People living past 60 would probably be considered old, but they always were and are today.\nThey didn't have modern medicine in the middle ages you fucking imbecile.\n>The issue wasn't that they had some shit nutrition that caused them all to drop dead at 30.\nMost people living today suffer an injury or disease that would have killed them in their 30's if it wasn't for modern medicine. You had parasites, frequent sunburns and cancer, brutal violence, food poisoning and poor hygiene.\n>>76\n>they were in the cities and villages, the world is not your D&D setting,\nYou literally think the middle ages were a D&D setting. The 1300's were very boring and would make a terrible D&D session.\n>about your retarded claims\n\"Dunning-kruger\"\n>nigger, I've seen ramadan muslims working under the sun of summer in Spain, you're full of shit.\nWow, so you're disproved your own stupid point lol."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\nEveryone has heard of lent bro (and some even know the friday rule applied all the time before V2). It's the idea that they were enforcing any unreasonable prohibitions that is silly. Fasting is common to most ancient cultures because it promotes egalitarianism and greatly improves the food situation."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\nIt's over anon. Hang up the towel already, jeez."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>Everyone has heard of lent bro\nYou literally just looked it up."}, {"id": 87, "content": "the church was based for anally raping the peasant's kids they gave to \"become monks\", absolutely based"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>83\n>Reality isn't mean anon. It just is.\nIt's not reality. You're just delusional and willfully malicious. People adapt to the situation they find themselves in. They are extremely malleable.\n>People abandoned their unwanted children in the woods anon. There is a long folklore tradition of that. The whole population wasn't registered on a monthly updated database with a huge police force to investigate every crime like today. Cameras didn't exist. DNA testing didn't exist.\nOf course. It's just that prior to the Church, that wasn't immoral at all. It was literally just what you do. It is only now that we have this \"no child left behind\" attitude, mostly thanks to the Church and its strict protections for children.\nMaybe anon's parents would have abandoned him (probably not, since mental abnormalities aren't registered until the boy is grown), but they would have been sinners. They could literally have been executed if people found out.\n>You are the Dunning-Kruger effect anon.\nThe Dunning-Kruger effect was recently proven to be fake, as part of the on-going replication crisis in science. I'm unsurprising you aren't familiar with the latest literature."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>Most people living today suffer an injury or disease that would have killed them in their 30's if it wasn't for modern medicine.\nNo, not really. About a fifth to a tenth would be dying before the age of 5. I talked about how I had appendicitis. Well, I lied. That wouldn't have killed me in 800 AD, because I would have died at 0 from an ear infection. Basically, many of the dysgenic people in our society (anon, for example), would have died well before you're thinking.\n>You had parasites, frequent sunburns and cancer, brutal violence, food poisoning and poor hygiene.\nParasites are bad, but a parasite that kills you is just a bad parasite. In large mammalian species, virtually all parasites evolve to keep their host alive as long as possible, so as to extract maximum utility. It's only in lower order organisms that you get the flash-in-the-pan parasites that try to burn through hosts as fast as possible. This is because something like ants has many potential hosts to infect, while a parasite for humans or elephants or something would rapidly burn out.\nCancer is an old person's disease, especially in pre-modern times without constant carcinogen exposure. Rates are exploding for the 30s crowd today, but back then?\nViolent deaths were more common, but how much more common? Today, suicides and homicides account for just 3% of deaths. Even if you double or triple it, it's just not a very significant cause.\nFood poisoning is a meme. You suffer it all the time today (if you eat like I do), but it would have been rare at the time. Most meat was eaten the same day it was butchered. Chronic malnutrition is the bigger threat, food-wise.\nPoor hygiene is more about spreading communicable diseases, anon. It's certainly bad to have bad hygiene, but you won't literally drop dead."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>inb4 BUT THEY HAD TO DO HOUSE CHORES\nNo, they had to run their farm on top of the work they had to do for their landlord. It was like having an unpaid part time job on top of your full time job, instead of paying your landlord a 1/3rd of your wage you gave him a 1/3rd of your working life.\n\n>>inb4 BUT LE WAR LE PLAGUE LE EBIL CHURCH KILLIN EVRYBODY\nLook to the third world and you’ll see how wars in poorfag places are brutal, disorganized, chaotic, and endemic affairs that made life a constant nightmare for an entire generation or even multiple generations unlucky enough to live through it.\n\n>>you'll find happy people despite living in shitty conditions,\nAnd the medieval world had free cities full of people who were not cucked to their landlord that were already replacing the feudal model which only lasted for as long as states were too poor to be centralized.\n\nAsk yourself this question: would you rather live in a small farm town with modern amenities, or would you rather live in a medieval city?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\n>It's not reality\nIt is. Grow up.\n>Of course. It's just that prior to the Church, that wasn't immoral at all\nTotally Christ-tard anon. Everyone accidentally ate and killed their own children prior to the glorious desert Jew. Everyone was an Aztec once upon a time you know...\n>The Dunning-Kruger effect was recently proven to be fake\nah no anon. You're low IQ okay.\nEvolution happened and still happens today.\nThe biblical account of Methuselah living 969 years of age isn't real.\nThe Earth is a sphere and rotates around the sun okay?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>49\n>Yep, you're a killable useless dysgenic autistic excuse for life. An affront to existence itself.\nThank you.\nAnyway I am not awkward or incapable of making friends. I just don't care much about it. If we are to get into this discussion I am merely as dysgenic as the normal people I try to avoid if not a little less.\n>The shit that comes out the camels ass.\nThat'd be normies I believe. Nothing against them."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\n>No, not really\n>I would have died at 0 from an ear infection\nOr you would have survived but with permanent brain damage and then died in your 30's from losing a fight due do your damaged brain.\n>Parasites are bad, but a parasite that kills you is just a bad parasite.\nEbola, Malaria, Tapeworms, bubonic plague, whooping cough etc were extremely successful before modern medicine anon."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\n>I just don't care much about it\nThat is the classic autistic attitude.\nThat is in itself a mental defect.\nNormal people cannot live without social contact.\n> I am merely as dysgenic as the normal people I try to avoid if not a little less\nNo, you're a freak that doesn't even have the social skills of a domesticated dog or a wolf in a wolf pack. That is scary and I'm thankful that you will never reproduce. You can't even be considered human really.\n>That'd be normies I believe. Nothing against them.\nThe only reason you exist is because a \"normie\" with a functional non-disabled brain was able to find a mate and perform the most rudimentary mammalian function, reproduction.\nSomething you are incapable of."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>91\nIt's not that they're evil or anything anon. It just makes sense to kill the defective kids, maybe even to kill the unwanted bastards (which would have been far more common in pre-modern times, ofc). All that changed was society's attitude towards it.\nAnd make no mistake that it's a very malleable attitude. Just a hundred years ago, we were systematically sterilizing such people in spite of being far more religious.\n>>93\n>Ebola, Malaria, Tapeworms, bubonic plague, whooping cough etc were extremely successful before modern medicine anon.\nThree of those aren't even parasites bro. As I've said, communicable diseases are terrible and that is the benefit of public hygiene. However, they just aren't that common and can generally be beaten if you have a normal immune system. It's the <5 and >60 crowd that get fucked, but the <5s aren't factored into this discussion. Whooping cough is a particularly bad example for you to give for this reason.\nTapeworm isn't even known to be endemic to any parts of Europe besides Iberia. Malaria isn't endemic anywhere in Europe or the Levant, even during our period of global warming.\nI think you are really confused, anon. We're discussing how long we can expect a person to live before they die of natural causes. The fact that he had a 20% chance of dying before he was 5 doesn't matter, because we're pre-supposing he'll live through the high child mortality years."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>84\n\n>N...no I totally DID know all about it, its something completely different I'm actually complaining about!\n\nCope harder.\n\n>>85\n\nNo list of monasteries that took in random children and taught them to be monks? I accept your concession."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>3\n>they also died on their 20/30's\nYou're retarded, the reason people say this is because of infant mortality which pulled the average life expectancy down, if you lived through infancy and childhood you would very likely live until your 60s and 70s."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>79\nThis is a retarded lie."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\n>It's not that they're evil or anything anon. It just makes sense to kill the defective kids\noh yeah totally dude. That makes complete sense, especially when more than 30% to 50% of your offspring died anyway at a young age anyway.\n>Three of those aren't even parasites bro\nAny foreign life form that uses your body for sustenance is a parasite mentally ill anon.\n(The obvious exception being babies).\n>>96\n>No list of monasteries that took in random children and taught them to be monks?\nhttps://religionunplugged.com/news/2019/5/29/what-the-pro-life-movement-looked-like-in-the-12th-13th-century\nhttp://emilykq.weebly.com/blog/child-oblation\n>>97\n>You're retarded, the reason people say this is because of infant mortality\nNope, most people today suffer a life ending episode in young adulthood that would have ended their life without modern medicine."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n\n>https://religionunplugged.com/news/2019/5/29/what-the-pro-life-movement-looked-like-in-the-12th-13th-century\nThis says nothing about the children being taught to be monks.\n\n>http://emilykq.weebly.com/blog/child-oblation\n>and was almost exclusively practiced by the upper classes\n\nDumb fuck"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>94\nI need too in a reduced manner.\n>Normal people cannot live without social contact.\nSounds like a normal people problem.\n>No, you're a freak that doesn't even have the social skills of a domesticated dog or a wolf in a wolf pack.\nOh yeah I forgot we know eachpther intimately, anyway anon how are yoi recovering from your gender affirmation surgery. And I'll have you know that just because if find it burdensome doesn't mean I can't do it.\n>That is scary and I'm thankful that you will never reproduce.\nYou overestimate the standards of low tier bpd whores and the pinoy race.\n>You can't even be considered human really.\nSomething more than human perhaps? :)\n>The only reason you exist is because a \"normie\" with a functional non-disabled brain was able to find a mate and perform the most rudimentary mammalian function, reproduction.\nNormies are the instinct driven animals here, I'm trying to coast off my own mind without getting magic ques. That's why I call them camel shit. And well regarding my parents I am very much the son of my father. Though he is infinitely better at life than me because of age and experience. Ironically he has like 8 or so children with different women. Personally I consider him slightly dysgenic."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>99\n>people today are an accurate sample to model medieval peasants after."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\n>Dumb fuck\nI never said lower classes dumb fuck.\n>This says nothing about the children being taught to be monks.\nIt covers widespread adoption of children and babies by the church. Something that's needed in order to turn donated children into monks.\n>>101\n>Oh yeah I forgot we know eachpther intimately\nKill yourself autist.\n>Sounds like a normal people problem.\nYou're an autist shitface.\n>You overestimate the standards of low tier bpd whores\nYou might be gay too by the sound of it.\n>Normies are the instinct driven animals here.\nSaid the repetitive stimming, porn addicted, unbreakable daily routine rigid autist with hypersensitivity to smells, bright lights, sounds etc.\n>Something more than human perhaps? :)\nYou're not God anon.\n>>102\n>people today are an accurate sample to model medieval peasants after.\nSo true anon, in just 700 years humans evolved into a completely different species..."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n\n>It covers widespread adoption of children and babies by the church.\n\nWhere?\n\n>Something that's needed in order to turn donated children into monks.\n\nYou genuinely think monks were random orphans or unwanted kids dropped off at the monastery steps, don't you?"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>99\n>oh yeah totally dude. That makes complete sense, especially when more than 30% to 50% of your offspring died anyway at a young age anyway.\nDo you just not want to understand this?\nThe people being infanticided were dysgenics/abandoned who probably would die at a young age anyway.\n>Any foreign life form that uses your body for sustenance is a parasite mentally ill anon.\nEven if this was true, which it's not, ebola = virus = not alive.\nEnjoy the (You)s."}, {"id": 106, "content": "It's very likely that medieval society was very similar to strict Amish communities, which are doing fine and in fact thriving in America.\n\nThe idea that it was all pain and suffering is actually a portrait that comes from the Victorian era of Early Modern farm and industrial poverty.\n\nThe Early Modern period was worse for the average person than the Medieval period."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\nI’m not saying it was all torture but I’m much happier living today. Plus an infected cut I got at 14 probably would have killed me"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>103\n>You're an autist shitface.\n>Kill yourself autist.\n>You might be gay too by the sound of it.\nWoah there buster, don't get too heated. Get up from the desktop, open a cold IPA with the guys, watch the new HBO series, talk about sportsball for a while, and then return to me.\n>Said the repetitive stimming, porn addicted, unbreakable daily routine rigid autist with hypersensitivity to smells, bright lights, sounds etc.\nBold words to say, post-op transitioner anonina.\nI have never been diagnosed with autism, I'm just a loner. They have existed since the begging of time. However, I don't blame you for the normalfag (or maybe even failed normalfag but that's a very different matter) stock responses though. And believe even if I was a 'tist I have enough tolerance built up from interaction with your people that its not that big of a problem.\n>You're not God anon.\nJust pulling your leg man, hence the smiley face."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>83\n>1300 boring, not D&D\ndumb poster, tavers were around even if not in bongland, as proved, look in Google if you really want to learn something, this is getting tiresome\n>\"Dunning Kruger\"\ncope\n>you disproved your point\nno? you said people fasting wouldn't be able to work or something? not the case\n>>80\nbecause that doesn't mean they didn't care about the crops nor that they won't have food due to not working which was the point, mongoloid\n>>81\ncities and villages like I said"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\n\nThe point was that the church DID enforce \"famines\" retard.\n\nWhich villages have the remnants of Roman taverns anon?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nNo, they did not enforce famines. Although they did fearmonger a lot against working on Sunday. Around late antiquity a bunch of miracles cropped up about people crippled by god (or 3 deacons with clubs according to my headcanon) for working/fucking on Sunday."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>13\nHow do you enjoy movies/tv shows/porn/ video games anymore? I haven't finished a video game since Atelier Meruru on PS3."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\n\n>They didn't enforce famines\n>They just stopped people from eating food every so often, and for weeks at a time every year"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>113\n>feasting some days is a famine\ninbred tier\n>>110\nthey did not, prove it wrong, I asked for prove a lot of replies before, why did you fail to prove it yet?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\n\nYes, feasting some days and fasting many, many other days is a famine."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>2\nYouve been told wrong. Because the population was much lower which means that even if you have lower yields you can work less to feed everyone. You can have high yields let’s say 4 to 1 but the cost of that is higher population. Which means you need to work more to be at the same level as low yields and less population. Look up Malthusian trap"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou'd break within the first week of doing the work some peasants had to do. Back to the wagey cagey."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nThis, and also, OP is 12, can we just start calling people out for just being 12? I remember thinking a lot of the stupid shit said on /his/ when I was 12."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>113\nLimited religious fasting =/= famine"}, {"id": 120, "content": "We've been through this.\n\nBurgher > Peasant"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>27\naeons of plowing"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>78\n>the Ancients had holidays, prostitutes, and psychedelics\nYes, and we have more of all the above. If leisure activities implies leisure time on the part of the populace, doesn’t an incredibly vast and diverse field of leisure activities, far beyond anything the former possessed, evidence of increased leisure time?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>120\nTrue in a lot of ways but the disease risk of a medieval city is terrifying"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>inb4 BUT THEY HAD TO DO HOUSE CHORES\nFarm chores, not house chores. Plus spinning thread for extra cash. Running your own farm is tons and tons of work, and peasants spent most of their time doing that. They were not primarily wage laborers."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>3\nAyy another false normie history myth"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>27\nyes anon they starved to death instead, looool\nreddit economics"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Medieval peasants worked only about 150 days in a year\nI work about 121 days a year at my actual job where I read, play vidya on my laptop, and shitpost here until a customer wants to buy something, and not counting yardwork. Not everyone is a full time wagie rentcuck."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nImagine living in a hut with farm animals-the smell of shit, the lack of hygene, it certainly wouldnt be a pleasurable idyll"}, {"id": 129, "content": "YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING BOTS AND AI\nFUCK OFF I WANT SOMEONE REAL"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>116\n\nNo, he's correct. Because of the unstable nature of agricultural work, farmers are always looking for the biggest yields; that was true then and it's true now.\n\nAnd there was always other responsibilities other than just growing crops. The land and the property needed constant maintenance; the farm animals needed rearing; etc. There was never a shortage of work even in the slow seasons."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He proved the papacy already, it's over. Deal with it."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFat ugly man"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Where"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can easily prove Peter's leadership. That doesn't have anything to do with the papacy or Rome."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">Gluttony is a mortal sin\n>Fasting is encouraged\n>Look like this\nYet another LARP ladied and gentleman."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHis book is a good start"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nit's 800 pages long. just give it to me in two or three lines of meme arrow text"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Church fathers said that the rock in Mt 16 was either Jesus or the confession that he was the Christ\n>Mt 16 states that Jesus would give Peter the key in the future tense\n>two chapter later the apostles were arguing who would be their leader after Jesus dies\n>In the same chapter, Jesus gave the keys to every apostle\n>Jerome reported that Rome didn't have a single bishop, rather a plurality of bishops\n>Roman Catholics' view of church authority is still heavily influenced by the pseudo isidorian decretals despite denouncing them"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Is he white or some kind of mystery latino or mixed with black. I legitimately cannot tell. The nose and skin pigment is throwing me off"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking, what went wrong with American cities?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Mass immigration destroys cities by lowering the value of labor and thus lowering the value of the individual, once you lower the value of the individual the \"system\" becomes the most important aspect of society and not the individual. Thus freedoms are eroded and freedom loving people are chased out of the cities, perpetuating their collapse."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAny answer other than niggers is a pseud reply"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\noccam's razor"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou already know."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nLooking at modern Paris, that's accurate."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nhard to argue with that"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nMy dumb gf wanted to go to paris I told her paris is a shithole and she wasnt having it so we went\n\nParis literally smells like shit and i saw more blacks and muslims than whites"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModernist architects destroying historic structures and black crime"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCars"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI still think it was an intentional cold war measure."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiggers."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n:("}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThe French are retards."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nUnder the occupation they didn't have food."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nNow they have kebabs :)"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nBongs bombed the supply lines as part of their eternal, autistic hatred of everything European."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThe Germans took food, fuel, and workers in large numbers."}, {"id": 19, "content": "too many people\nsimple as"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nI can see your huge nose from here. The Germans couldn't have taken anything away with all the supply lines bombed, Chayim."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe forced labor program actually had a special name: STO (Service de Travail Obligatoire)."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey had americans in them"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nFalse"}, {"id": 24, "content": "same thing as why every place in the modern world that goes to shit\nblack people"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSegregated, car-centric urban planning and de-industrialization."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nI love kebabs"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nCan you elaborate on how an exodus of whites destroys civilization"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nmade with the flesh of abducted schoolgirls"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nI never mentioned race."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\nis this what we are calling basketball americans now? what happened to joggers?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>blame segregation\n>I never mentioned race"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nI didn't single out white people, though as it happened they were the primary beneficiaries historically."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nSegregation refers to separation based on ethnic lines anon\n>they were the primary beneficiaries\nWhy were \"they\" the primary beneficiaries?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nSegregation favored whites (and to a degree Hispanics) when it came to things like housing, work opportunities, and various QoL indicators. Interstate highways were built over and near black ghettoes, which were built away from the districts with better jobs, schools, health facilities, etc."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nWhy didn't they just build another black wall street"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThat was the result of an oil boom and (as I recall) the work of a black benefactor in one of the less restrictive states."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nyeah lets just ignore the trillions in gibs or how jim crow laws weren't a national phenomenon"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>5\nWhy are Americans always larping as Euros? Don't they have pride?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nBecause we have no culture that isnt jewish subversion."}, {"id": 40, "content": "Why are people so retarded.\n\nThe Great Migration happens. Blacks move to Northern cities to escape Jim Crow and the Depression. White people freak the fuck out and leave. Tax base utterly collapses so health, education, etc. substantially decline. Then the jobs they moved up their before are relocated to elsewhere because the government realizes having the vast majority of it's industries and economic power concentrated in a few cities makes them vulnerable to nuclear weapons."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>their before\n*there for"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nBlacks moved north because of socialist propaganda from inside major cities like Chicago that said if they moved there they'd get free gibs"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\nWhy are so many East Coast cities named after European cities????"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\nBecause they are euros"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\n>Offshoring happened because of nukes\nHoly shit, you’re retarded."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are full of masochistic white progressive lunatics who care more about looking not racist than preventing humans from being stabbed, robbed or raped in broad daylight anywhere in the city not just the \"bad areas\""}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nOP's talking about why American cities went bad, not your shitty opiod-ridden dying small town. The jobs went to them first and were offshored later"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nFalse. There were no \"gibs\" in 1920something."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>There were no \"gibs\" during the Great Migration"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nHe didn’t say there were, he said that chicago mayors lured blacks there with promises of gibs. L2read"}, {"id": 51, "content": "Diversity"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nNope.\n>>50\nOnly if by \"gibs\" you mean higher wages."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally just black and brown people. That's it."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nhow can anyone say a total genocide of shitskins wouldnt be justified?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nAgain, he didn’t even say that gibs existed. He said that gibs were promised. Something being promised and something existing are two very different things."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nand government housing, government programs, and the fact they got to benefit from a society which had public assets they couldnt build or maintain which did not build or maintain."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nEvidence?\n>>56\nGovernment housing was introduced in the mid 30s."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>47\nPeople become poorer when they lose their jobs. Poverty correlates with crime."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>52\nOk tranny the New Deal never happened"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>40\n>Whites freak the fuck out and leave\nAnd now we see that was totally rational and justified"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>47\n>OP's talking about why American cities went bad\nThe first post https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14985954/#14985966\nalready answered that"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\n>People become poorer when they lose their jobs. Poverty correlates with crime."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>38\nhello Jew\n\nit's because Americans are Europeans in diaspora\n\nand that is something to be proud of"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nBack to boomerbook, grandpa"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>5\nI thot Nashville, Tennessee was suppozed tu bee dhe \"Athenz\" ov America."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">The Only Good Communist Is A Dead Communist"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\nBack 2 reddit leftoid"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>unknown\nNot pictured: people freezing because the Germans shipped their coal to Germany, or buying food on the black market."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>62\nHow much of a retard are you to post a fucking link instead of replying"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>38\nWhite Americans are descended from Euros."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nIt's a deleted post"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>63\n>per 100k\nNigga, Beattyville has 2k people in the middle of nowhere. View Park-Windsor Hills are a suburb to the second of the largest cities in America, surrounded by 10 million people, any one of whom can stroll in and commit a crime which is then added to the crime rate."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\nCope and seethe tranny faggot\nThere are safe cities right next to Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago.\nIt's never just blacks committing crime is it?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>20\nYou might wanna check how your beloved saviors of the white race treated the greeks during the war.\nAka stealing so much food from them greeks went into mass starvation.\nSame happened with the dutch.\nBasically everywhere the eternal destroyers of Europe went starvation followed. People had more food under the Soviet occupation than the German occupation. This is how dogshit nazis were."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>59\nIs that why America has a higher murder rate than most of Eastern Europe? Because EE is richer?"}, {"id": 77, "content": "American government set up a massive suburban housing subsidies scheme to reinforce racial segregation, around the same time amerindustry started to slow down since they actually had to compete with other people again, and then the suburbanites started push forward schemes to literally bulldoze large segments of cities for highways and parking lots"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nI still don't get why no other place suffers from it. Downtows are the wealthy parts. I really think it was an intentional policy to depopulate cities, in order to reduce nuke damage. Destroy streetcars, promote suburbs and car culture."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>unknown\nI thought it was confirmed that right pic is not Paris but some random African shithole"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>73\nBoomerbook memes aren't known for their accuracy"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>60\nYeah in 1933-1945."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>14\nWhat did they think would happen when they colonised half of Africa and made those Africans french citizens? Did they not think said citizens would want to come home to France one day? Even now they still have majority black overseas territories were the blacks have french citizenship. They fought nafris to keep them as french citizens."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>76\nPurely socioeconomic reasons"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>80\n>samefagging"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>23\nCities have historically always been shit."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>24\nEastern Europe is shit because of black people."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're full of Americans"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>76\nAmericans refuse to ban African American criminal culture because its racist to want blacks to not aspire to be terrorist in their own communities apparently to the deranged white leftist"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\n>Eastern Europe is shi-ACK!ACK!"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>38\n>Why would a massive European derived diaspora ever acknowledge their origins with any positivity or respect?\nDo post-imperial Euros really?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>73\nnooooooooooo what do you mean a tiny rural town has lower crime than a huge suburb next to urban sprawl???? it's clearly the black people"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nHere are some examples of predominantly-white suburbs next to cities infested with black crime.\nDetroit: Livonia, Grosse Pointe\nChicago: Naperville, Oak Lawn\nLos Angeles: Manhattan Beach\nIt's clearly the blacks, not even up for debate, and View Park Windsor Hills has a population under 20k. It's not a huge suburb. Learn what the fuck you're talking about, clown. I dare you come to East St. Louis"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>>73\n>urbanism = crime\n>blacks mostly live in urban areas\nanother fat L for niggers"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>63\nHoly shit, all of you people are beyond fucking retarded.\n\nThis is a fucking made up statistic.\n\nFirst, it defines \"richest\" as the dollar you are making which is fucking retarded because Los Angeles is like the single most expensive city to live in in America.\n\nSecond, the median income is not $160,000, it's fucking $50,000, which if far below the"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\n>Holy shit, all of you people are beyond fucking retarded.\n>This is a fucking made up statistic.\n>First, it defines \"richest\" as the dollar you are making which is fucking retarded because Los Angeles is like the single most expensive city to live in in America.\n>Second, the median income is not $160,000, it's fucking $50,000, which if far below the"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>5\n/thread"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou know how normally cities & city centers are centers of wealth instead of poverty? Well in shartland, the rich people moved outside in the Suburbs and LARPing that they don't live in the city and they moved the poor people in.\n\nThey're that retarded."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>89\nt. never been there."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>58\nThe first great migration occurred during the 30s."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nNo. It began around 1917 and ended c. 1929 as it became clear there were no more jobs up North."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nblacks were flocking to the north until the 70's for welfare"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\ntheir employment went down as they abandoned sharecropping tho"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nAfter the war effort started in 1941 yeah. But the first wave happened before public housing initiatives were a thing and welfare was sparse back then. SNAP was still decades away."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>98\n>there are no blacks so it's shi-ACK!ACK!ACK!ACK!"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n\"snap\" existed since the 30's, a large part of civil rights was welfare reform so blacks didn't have to jump so many hoops for benefits (because they didn't deserve them)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did Orthodoxy go from being seen as an ancient and wise form of Christianity to being just an internet meme denomination for chuds?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's all Dasha's fault."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow did OP go from being a regular poster to a faggot?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nywnbaw"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>native orthodox hate him for making his denomination a meme\nOof, that one's gotta hurt"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJay Dyer and his duginist fanboys."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRefuse to bend the knee to liberalism like the cucklick church"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nFpbp"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nWho?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nPodcaster lady who was born to Catholic parents from Belarus but larps as orthodox occasionally. She is totally based and the perfect trad wife except for the fact that she has admitted to having a body count over 70 and only dates Jewish men but other than that totally based and right wing orthodox girl hahahaha"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTerminally Online Western Millennials ruin literally everything"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConstantine's theory of Hypostatic Union meaning that Jesus was born from anal sex."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\ni can fix her...\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THUFzmmKMPs [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe modern west unironically can’t religion"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nI thought she was Catholic."}, {"id": 16, "content": "orthodoxy was pushed heavily online by the kremlin(it is a very political religion) and if you couldn't see that you eat paint chips"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nDude, online OrthoBros literally promote syncretism of State and Church as part of Orthdox theology. No one is denying it"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nMost are Serbian and Greek Orthodox LARPing, not Russian."}, {"id": 19, "content": "I blame America. Whenever an American becomes religious, he has to uglify it and make it turbo cringe. It's as if Americans cannot properly process the non-ugly and the not-cringy. Their brains just shut down or something.\n\nAmericans also have to make religion really loud and obnoxious, for some reason"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nObsessed"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nShut up mutt"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Americans also have to make religion really loud and obnoxious, for some reason\nMeeps in Quaker.."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nObsessed"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Religion, at best, is an opium the working masses tell themselves to prevent the hard task at inducing societal change. \"It will be better in the \"afterlife\"\" they think, even though this life is all there is. They tell themselves this lie to soothe their suffering at objectively declining and stagnant conditions - filled with aliennation, lack of worker's control, rising food and housing costs, the increase of rightwing reaction and state repression against the working masses of society, etc. At worst, religion is a middle class tool used as state propaganda to both brainwash people, and promote evil, bourgeoisie politics meant to smash the working class, everything from zionism to all of the politics meant to destroy unions and proletarian solidarity in America.\n\nWhy do people get so butthurt over people like Stalin and Lenin banning it? We don't have any gods, nor masters. We can only rely on ourselves to create a good future for our kids Religion isn't good to create a good future, capitalism isn't going to create a good future, even putting blind faith into a socialist party isn't going to create a good future. A good future can only be created by a hardworking and creative working class that's politically educated to sniff out reaction and subversion."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCommuniggers say this, but then have no problem with stuff like pic related or turning Lenin's body into a literal idol to worship."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour retarded ideology is too weak to survive a full 70 years in the real world. Less than 1 human lifespan. Meanwhile, multiple religions stretch back 4,000 years. Enjoy the cope, nigger"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod exists, hierarchy is good, communists stink — sinple as"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do people get so butthurt over people like Stalin and Lenin banning it?\nRetard think for 2 seconds on why they wanted it banned"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread dostoievsky fren, I used to get that train of thought too but the points he makes are really good especially in the Demons, and I also like the line from ivan in Brothers Karamaov; \"if god didn't exist then it should be invented\"\nGod, or really any form of higher authority not made up of people like the govt is necessary to escape nihillism and the catastrophies that come with that"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>creative working class that's politically educated to sniff out reaction and subversion.\n\"Reaction\" is defined as literally anything under the fucking sun by Marxists. They accuse each other of being revisionist reactionists ffs. Literally Christians arguing over Theology tier, you faggots are all the same.\nWhere Christians see le Satan everywhere, Commies see le Reaction everywhere. The eternal promise of paradise becomes the eternal oppression of nerds reading the sacred texts and killing each other over interpretations"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n\nThis is a celebration of the achievements of the working class. A class you're not apart of because you're lumpen.\n\n>>3\n\nThe USSR industrialized russia from a post feudal shithole into a superpower in 20 years. It died because of western blockades and subversion. Through only the USSR, communism spread to a third of the Earth, you can't avoid social contradictions."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>This is a celebration of the achievements of the working class\nIt wasn't even built hahaha"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>achievements of the working class\nLenin wasn't a worker he was a dirty kike"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>This is a celebration of the achievements of the working class.\nWrong, it's an elevation of Lenin's person to god-like status, it really looks no different from the Jesus statue in Rio, no matter how much mental gymnastics you pull out.\nThem turning Lenin into an idol despite him requesting to be buried alongside his mother reinforces this, too."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Do what the priests tell you and give them 10% of your income, and you'll get to heaven one day. And please don't question why you have to worship a Jew, stop worshiping non-Jewish gods, and work towards Jewish world government as promised in Isaiah 60, or you will be excommunicated.\n\n>Do what comrade Lenin and Trotsky tell you and give the socialist state 100% of your income, then you'll get to live in a Communist society one day. And please don't question why the revolutionaries were mostly Jewish and were financed by Jewish bankers, or you will be put to death in accordance with the Noahide laws as laid out in the Talmud, tractate Gittin folios 56 through 64.\n\nIt's the same thing, but worse."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n\nCommunist societies had low or no taxes. Albania basically had no taxes"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>It died because of western blockades and subversion.\nOkay, so it died because the system opposed to it was able to cuck it so thoroughly that it couldn’t last a full human lifetime. Thanks for proving the pathetic weakness of the USSR, anon. Should make for an interesting historical footnote in century or two. Maybe a tricky trivia question to offer capitalist bar patrons a free drink or something."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n\"taxes\" are a meaningless concept when private property does not exist."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Before communism\nCan feed itself\n>During communism\nReliant on burger grain imports\n>After communism\nCan feed itself\nWhy is communism so shit? If not for the lend lease their absolute best case would be stalling germans at the brest litovsk borders"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>Um actually, it only died so quickly because it’s enemies were able to kill it without even invading\nWow, you sure showed him. USSR strong!"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nBased post, this anon knows his stuff"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>3\n>Your retarded ideology is too weak to survive a full 70 years in the real world.\nStill here, right here.\n>Meanwhile, multiple religions stretch back 4,000 years. Enjoy the cope, nigger\nDo they really? Perhaps on an individual level only."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\nHierachy is good for you, unless you are domintated by jews and free-masons, right? For you hierarchy is only good when it's your little clique in power."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>12\nThis post is refuted by Marx (PBUH)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nSorry, I meant to say that your retarded ideology can’t last a full 70 years as a government. It still manages to trick retards into believing in it, despite the track record of weakness and failure.\n>Do they really? Perhaps on an individual level only.\nOh, so the ongoing attendance of cathedrals, mosques, and temples across the world, plus the multi billion dollar governing apparatuses that maintain and enforce doctrines of these religions mean that they survive “only at the individual level”, but a handful of retards getting laughed at on 4chan means that gommunism is alive and well. I see."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>12\n>Talmud, tractate Gittin folios 56 through 64.\nit's tractate Sanhedrin, but yes."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nOf course hierarchy can be abused, like anything, this isn’t an argument against hierarchy itself. Neither do I believe that “we” are “dominated” by Jews or Freemasons. Jews have disproportionate representation in some powerful areas, which has predictably negative consequences for other groups particularly in light of pronounced Jewish ethnocentrism. Doesn’t mean that all Jews are bad, nor does it mean that hierarchy is bad, nor that hierarchy should exclude Jews. Get new material, commie"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>you only like hierarchies when they're staffed by people who want you to prosper, not when they're run by people who openly declare that they want to eradicate your ethnic group and whose religion forbids them from taking actions that lead to your group's population numbers to grow!\nyes, and...?\nHaving a sense of self-preservation is in fact a normal thing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo masters besides the guy who literally mandates what you're allowed to believe?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>even though this life is all there is\n\n>Said the retard with absolute confidence even though he actually is clueless as if there is an afterlife or not\n\nIt sounds fantastic but theres are many proofs of it being real"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlso religion actively tells people to change their ways IN LIFE\n\nYou retard, it specifically says if you wait until youre death it will be your doom\n\nHow retarded you have to be OP I cant possibly imagine"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He’s a very good presenter, I wish he’s spend less time talking about movies and more time talking about theology."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Maybe he should spend more time actually practicing Christianity"}, {"id": 3, "content": "He doesn't want to debate Peter Dimond because he will get crushed."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTrailer boy is a schismatic of schismatics. He’ll die of embarrassment five minutes in."}, {"id": 5, "content": "He’s a grifter"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nOne time Peter Dimond called the dividing line to give James White a piece of his mind because he felt he could completely BTFO sola fide, and inside of 5 minutes there was dead air because he couldn't answer a question White asked him"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDo you have the link?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWhat's funniest to me is how he calls his trailer house a monastery and himself brother without ever having been ordained"}, {"id": 9, "content": "He's so handsome"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nHe doesn't live in a trailer. Just big comfy sheds."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nMonks aren't ordained though?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nNo, it was on the 'DrOakley1689' youtube channel (the call was over a decade ago, before White was using youtube as his main platform) but I do not recall the name of the video, I don't Dimond's name was referenced in it. I know what they were talking about was the golden chain of redemption, so that might be in the title. It was not a complete episode."}, {"id": 13, "content": "What's his education?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBA im religious studies i think"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nIs this it?\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT3D73gSwx0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nthey are tonsured by an abbot or a priest, except if you are a\"gyrovague\" or \"sarabaite\" and both are a heresy."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>schismatic of schismatics\nreminds me old calendarists"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nYeah"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nHe didn't go to movie school, he went to the cinemas"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nand he became a hack and did esoteric analyses of French Noir"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll these neo-Christian internet personalities do this. My dad is obsessed with Word On Fire/Bishop Barron and I remember him rambling on about his Catholic interpretation of Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. It's protestant megachurch mentality applied to Catholicism with Word On Fire and Orthodoxy with Jay Dyer where they need to make an allegory between every piece of pop culture and Jesus"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nBishop Barron is based tho"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have never paid attention to e-celebs.\n\nI wish people would go post about them on their respective websites."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nThis\nTheology in theory is not the same as theology in practice.\nDyer is a terrible example for young orthodox men and he and his permanently online fanbase are serve as little more than an argument against EO.\n/thread"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nBB is an ecumenist bastard and probably a closet Lutheran as well. The tree of Traditiomal Catholicism gotta be littered with the blood of the heretics. He is not my bishop."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nHave you ever actually stepped in a church or do you just larp as a trad online the whole day?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNo need to, all those churches are occupied by the Vatican II antichurch anyways."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nI'm not even Catholic, but I could tell you that Barron is a \"new traditionalist\". The big name before him in Los Angeles (Cardinal Mahony) was actually the excessive Novus Ordo liberal you accuse the Bishop of. Barron at least celebrates Catholic history and art and teaches standard Catholic teaching. You'd have to be some mega autist like Dimond to see something extreme."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\naah bloo bloo. I am just too Catholic for you. keep coping"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nI don't care what you call yourself. You're just incorrect and don't live in reality."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nCope"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>>31\nAlso I will never accept fake saints like Faustina and “Mother” Theresa."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy is he so mad? every debate i have seen from him results in him getting a very angry tone minutes and sometimes just resulting in ad-homs"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>21\ni don't think jay relates movies to Christianity though. it's always about hidden psyop messages"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>25\n>>27\nevery time"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Jay is a literal apostate. Catholics shouldn’t be watching him."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>25\n>>27\n>>29\n>>31\n>>32\nmega cringe"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\n>too catholic for you\n>never went to church in his life\nBeyond parody."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nRefusing to go to the Novus Ordo church is the most Catholic thing you can possibly do."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nYeah mate I get it, the internet is the third temple and shitposting on 4chan is the body of Christ."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>28\nI agree but the problem with Barron is that he is trying to be a weasel in interviews. Just come out flat and say that you will experience eternal hellfire if you don't stop jacking off and fornicating."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Or is it just another way of saying Theocracy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It sounds the same to me to be fair. don’t think there’s a difference"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMonarchy has a king, theocracy doesn't necessarily have one. The ayatollahs of Iran are not royals."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot every monarchy is a theocracy, not every theocracy is a monarchy.\n/thread"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\nSame poster btw.\nIs the king an intermediate to deity? If so it is a Theocratic Monarchy, if not then it could be a Theocracy."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes\nNo\nRetard"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDistinct things as other anons pointed out, but theVatican at least might qualify as both (the pope is also the king of Vatican City.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City?wprov=sfla1\n>Government\n>Unitary Catholic theocratic elective absolute monarchy"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI believe a theocratic monarchy is simply a monarchy where church and state power are closely linked, usually in favor of the state. For example the HRE was a monarchy while the Byzantine empire was a theocratic monarchy"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nThe Supreme Leader is for all intents and purposes an elective monarch. Hereditary, not quite, but the ulema is certainly an aristocracy of sorts, electing one of their own as the lifetime head of state."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I just found out the tarim mummies had nothing to do with local indo european cultures and this is from an old ass paper too.\n\n>Here we present genomic data from 5 individuals dating to around 3000–2800bc from the Dzungarian Basin and 13 individuals dating to around 2100–1700bc from the Tarim Basin, representing the earliest yet discovered human remains from North and South Xinjiang, respectively. We find that the Early Bronze Age Dzungarian individuals exhibit a predominantly Afanasievo ancestry with an additional local contribution, and the Early–Middle Bronze Age Tarim individuals contain only a local ancestry. The Tarim individuals from the site of Xiaohe further exhibit strong evidence of milk proteins in their dental calculus, indicating a reliance on dairy pastoralism at the site since its founding. Our results do not support previous hypotheses for the origin of the Tarim mummies, who were argued to be Proto-Tocharian-speaking pastoralists descended from the Afanasievo 1,2 or to have originated among the Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex 3 or Inner Asian Mountain Corridor cultures 4. Instead, although Tocharian may have been plausibly introduced to the Dzungarian Basin by Afanasievo migrants during the Early Bronze Age, we find that the earliest Tarim Basin cultures appear to have arisen from a genetically isolated local population that adopted neighbouring pastoralist and agriculturalist practices\n>In contrast to the EBA Dzungarian individuals, the EMBA individuals from the eastern Tarim sites of Xiaohe and Gumugou (Tarim_EMBA1) form a tight cluster close to pre-Bronze Age central steppe and Siberian individuals who share a high level of ancient North Eurasian (ANE) ancestry\n\n\"The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies\" (2021)\n\nYou lying nigg-o's"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLots of we wuzzing around these parts."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>tight cluster close to pre-Bronze Age central steppe\nnigga your own quote contradicts your dumb ass"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait, what the fuck? So what culture did they even belong to?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThis means they were introduced later, anon"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThat means botai culture probably\nTarim mummies are west siberian hunter gatherers\nIE: 75% ANE 25% East asian"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>botai culture\nThis is getting really interesting now ...\n>Václav Blažek suggests that the Botai people probably spoke a form of Yeniseian languages. Linguistic data lends some support for a homeland of Yeniseian within the Central Asian Steppe, prior to its migration into Siberia. This Yeniseian/Botai language contributed some loanwords related to horsemanship and pastoralism, such as the word for horse (Yeniseian *ʔɨʔχ-kuʔs \"stallion\" and Indo-European *H1ek̂wos \"domesticated horse\") itself, towards proto-Indo-European.[19]\nIIRC mondern \"mongoloid\" Yeniseian-speakers like the Kets are actually a Turkic people that adopted the language from a population that went extinct (desu I don't quite remember where I've read this), which is interesting considering they've been linked to na-dene amerindians like the navajo; anons, you think ... ?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Yeah, it's an old paper and we had threads about this.\nAndronovo came to Tarim later, but they were present there since at least late Bronze Age. Many Tarim mummies belong to them, not to the original Xiaohe people."}, {"id": 9, "content": "They are R1b-PH155 which implies that R1b originated outside of Europe. It split probably somewhere East of Urals.\nAnother thing, the haplogroup later shows up in Xiongnu and Huns."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nhttps://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it’s fun"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis dickweasel actually believes (((papers))). Enjoy your judeo-cuckoldry."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nmaybe IE was an I1 WHG language? who knows?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n? They are mostly Ph155 which means they are the most divergent from maintream R1b, similar to V88 (actually the V88 in mesolithic villabruna is downstream)\nSo its more likely villabruna and IE spoke something similar than it is for WSHG"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI just tried to add to the thread; explain like im 5"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I don't know thing.\n>I state what I think is the answer.\neither\n>A) Someone corrects me.\n>I now know thing.\nor\n>B) No one corrects me\n>I now assume I know thing."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nHaplogroups go downstream, once a haplogroup is formed it means that everything sharing its mutations is downstream or at very least has a recent common ancestor with it, if it lacks some mutations is basal to it\nVillabruna, a WHG from mesolithic Italy in 12500 BC carried R1b-V88 Haplogroup, it means, R1B-V88 is downstream from PH155 (the one in botai) so botai split earlier from V88 than V88 in WHG split from the mainstream R1B we see nowdays. It means that the common ancestor of botai and IE lived definitely before 12.500 BCE. And by Y-dna, is more likely for italian WHG to speak IE than for botai to do so."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nOh interesting, thanks"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why the fuck do people on here lie all the time?"}, {"id": 20, "content": "We have been relentlessly shitting on the \"ANE were mongoloid\" autists ever since this paper dropped.\n\nOP is a faggot"}, {"id": 21, "content": "cool link to a thread that doesn't exist where anons are lying"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>>17\nV88 and 155 are the same age.\n\nIt’s also not linked to Botai.\nTarim were 15% Asian, 85% ANE.\nDid you miss the past two years their admixture data was spammed here?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nThat's not what the paper I quoted said, retard"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\n>>7\nThere was similar evidence from well before the mummy study, it was just ignored. Picrel is from the Paleo-Eskimo paper which found a Botai/Tarim-like woman buried near the Angara River alongside more East Asian people\n>>20\nThere will be much more of this to come"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>which found a Botai/Tarim-like woman buried near the Angara River alongside more East Asian people\nDo you have any more info about this anon?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nyeah, and we know it\n\nthat's why we're shitting on them relentlessly for blatantly lying so many years running"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nyou really toned it down on the anti-white rhetoric over the years, you must have realized how embarrassing you made your position look with that purile attitude\n\nthe Tarim mummies are morphologically caucasoid according to the broad academic consensus (common sense too) and overwhelmingly ANE genetically\n\nergo, ANE likely took after their western Eurasian forebears"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Muslim guys more prone to harassing women than Christians are?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe largest contributor to behavior is genetics."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nBased Turk"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause unfortunately, they are more based than Christvermin are."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigher testosterone"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause women should know their place."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nunfortunately it has been a bad move for this this third worlder, since turkey didn't win a single battle against france in ww2. if you think about it, they didn't won a single war against europeans in their whole history, with notable defeats in lepanto and vienna"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n*ww1 of course"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>8\nLol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the roman empire seen as a European achievement and not just a roman or Italian achievement? If your anglo or German or Scandinavian, why do you brag about the roman empire. What did your people contribute exactly? How are you just not we wuzin whenever you do that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What makes you think italians are the closest relatives to romans? That they live in the same place? African americans live in the same place indians lived"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFarm equipment."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">italians white"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorthen italians or majority of medieval and modern italians are barely more romans than romanians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>romanians\n>Some tribal barbarian from 13th century steal property naming from empire of Byzantium\nabsolutely larp"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>5\nSo where did the \"romans\" go?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">Why do Europeans get to celebrate Rome and not just Italians\n>Why do Italians get to celebrate Rome and not just Romans\n>Why do Romans get to celebrate Rome and not just direct male-line descendants of the senatorial class"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nBecome the ruler class first, then were replaced from there by Germanics. The rest of the population was farm equipment from the Middle East.\n>>unknown\nExactly."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat are you talking about? Only Italians have anything to do with Roman achievements.\n>>3\n>southern Italians are half celtic\nBad model though."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Hвхyц ты oпять пиздишь?\n>>10\n>Hallstatt\nNot Celtic.\n>SWE_IA\nNot Germanic.\n>Amasya\nNot Anatolian."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is the roman empire seen as a European achievement and not just a roman or Italian achievement?\nThe Roman Empire is often seen as a European achievement because it had a significant impact on the development of European civilization, particularly in the areas of law, language, culture, and political organization.\n\nAfter the fall of the Western Roman Empire, many European nations looked to the Roman legacy for inspiration in developing their own cultures and societies. The legacy of Rome can be seen in the architecture, art, literature, and philosophy of many European nations, including Italy, France, Spain, and England, to name a few.\n\nFurthermore, the Roman Empire had a profound impact on the development of Christianity, which became the dominant religion of Europe. The Roman Empire was also a major player in the history of Europe, playing a significant role in the conflicts and alliances that shaped the continent.\n\nSo while the Roman Empire was indeed a Roman and Italian achievement, its legacy has had a lasting impact on the development of European civilization and is therefore seen as a significant European achievement."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If your anglo or German or Scandinavian, why do you brag about the roman empire. What did your people contribute exactly?\nIt's not uncommon for people from different European countries to appreciate and admire the accomplishments of the Roman Empire, regardless of their own ethnic background. This is because the legacy of the Roman Empire has had a profound impact on European civilization as a whole, influencing everything from language and law to art and architecture.\n\nWhile it's true that certain European nations may not have had direct involvement in the Roman Empire, they have still been influenced by its legacy. For example, the English language has many words and phrases that are derived from Latin, the language of the Roman Empire. Germanic tribes that inhabited parts of what is now modern-day Germany and Scandinavia were in frequent contact with the Roman Empire and often engaged in both trade and conflict with it.\n\nFurthermore, many European nations have been shaped by the legacy of the Roman Empire in indirect ways. For example, the Holy Roman Empire, a political entity that existed in Europe from the 10th century to the 19th century, was named after the Roman Empire and drew inspiration from its legacy.\n\nUltimately, the achievements of the Roman Empire are a part of the broader cultural heritage of Europe, and people from all European countries have the right to appreciate and take pride in this shared legacy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How are you just not we wuzin whenever you do that?\nIt's important to acknowledge and celebrate the achievements of all cultures, without making unfounded claims or engaging in cultural appropriation. Each culture has its own unique contributions to human history and civilization, and we should strive to appreciate and learn from them without appropriating or minimizing their significance."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome stopped being italian after the end of the Flavian era"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nMeds."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\nThe line must be drawn somewhere, right? For example: let's say a black guy gets a dna test and turns out he has 10% Italian dna. Can he claim to be a decent of rome? Surely he could more so than a white guy with 5% Italian dna. See my point?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why is the roman empire seen as a European achievement and not just a roman or Italian achievement?\nProbably because it formed a blueprint for almost every major european polity subsequently. I get the impulse to claim it as a uniquely 'italian' achievement, but it has proven to be a nearly universally shared point of reference amongst european peoples.\n>>2\n>African americans live in the same place indians lived\nUtterly retarded."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly mutts do this. Do you know how funny it is to see some Anglo/Irish/Swedish/Russian mutt mention the Roman Empire in an argument against some nigger. Meanwhile actual Italians in the UK are regulated to subhuman jobs that nobody will take but students such as waitressing and other low level restaurant work kek"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nLol, so you brown goblin didn't even do this model yourself? Such a pathetic race."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe take credit for ending the Roman tyranny, not creating it"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe majority of emperors were born outside of Italy. What esoteric level of cuckitude is required to be ruled over by a foreigner most of the time?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLARPers use it to claim ancient pedigree because their ancestors were worst then native Americans and we're eating shrooms, living in mudhuts and raiding like ooga boogas. This is the cause of haplo autism threads, deep seated insecurity."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\nYou're an ugly reject and nobody likes you."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrajan was Spanish, so the border you posted was thanks to non-Italians."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\n>were worst then native Americans and we're eating shrooms\nInsult failed, you suffer a -50% charisma debuff until the end of your turn"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>>24\nDarktroon, why are you having an episode again? Did the Kshatriya death squad come close?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>12\n>>13\n>>14\n\nChatGPT?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If your anglo or German or Scandinavian, why do you brag about the roman empire. What did your people contribute exactly? How are you just not we wuzin whenever you do that?\nAll Anglos have Roman ancestry. Not much but it's there."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\n>Meanwhile actual Italians in the UK are regulated to subhuman jobs that nobody will take but students\nNo they aren't. Stop making shit up"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>unknown\n>Anglos are doing this\nBullshit. It's Jews and non-whites shit stirring"}, {"id": 32, "content": "the map OP posted is the result of a Spaniard, Trajan"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Rome was our collective forefather to all Europeans and Americans. The American republic and presidency is all founded on larping as Cincinnatus and the early Roman Republic."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown\nShe'd pass in the middle east"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\ncute\n\n>>34\nand that's a good thing"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are the ugliest shortest men also the most succesful in life?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm ugly and short and have 0 success"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShort men have more of a drive to improve themselves. Some of them do, most fail. While lanklets already won at life so they have no passion."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nActually, taller people are more likely to be successful. Most CEOs are of above-average heights."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHigh estrogen give many short guys pretty-boy looks"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nDid she just rub his belly for luck?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\ntaller people die younger (around 50-60) unlike shorter people (80-100)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI'd rather be 6'5 and live for 40 years than be 5'5 and live for 140 years."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nLooks like she's shaking his hand."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a more kino civil war in history?\n\nStuff like the Battle of Okehazama makes me think not."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">arr rook same literally who daimyos (yes, i'm pluralizing daimyo) fighting over nothing\nlike the chinese warring states period they're literally pointless nonsense no body cares about\neven weebs can't bring themselves to care about this shit"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>he doesn’t know about the ikko"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAre you retarded? Three Kingdoms and Sengoku periods probably have the most popular depictions in media of any civil war period after the French Revolution"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nthe correct plural of daimyo is daimyee THOUGH"}, {"id": 6, "content": "For me. History about genpei war (real life inspiring uchiha-senju generation rivalry)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglish Civil War or the American Civil War"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nenglish civil war is boring but it was as big of a chimpout as sengoku\n\namerican civil war is highly kino but it's kind of a different mood, 2 large sides duking it out vs total chimpout at every level"}, {"id": 9, "content": "chinese civil war has always been and always will be the most kino civil war"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>even weebs can't bring themselves to care about this shit\n\nTerrible bait."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Non white history is cringe"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nI do.\nGranted I only do it because its an excuse to jerk myself off to Portuguese and dutch trading prowess along with Jesuitic trickery and the fact the English briefly had a trading post there."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nCrazy to think the Jesuits took over nagasaki for a time."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyellow turbans"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-dyer-7912518\nJay Dyer remembers The Alamo."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\noops, wrong pic. here."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIn the southern part of Texas\nIn the town of San Antone\nThere's a fortress all in ruins that the weeds have overgrown\nYou may look in vain for crosses and you'll never see a-one\nBut sometimes between the setting and the rising of the sun\nYou can hear a ghostly bugle\nAs the men go marching by\nYou can hear them as they answer\nTo that roll call in the sky."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nremember, the alamo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Target: Manjak_Gambia_o\nDistance: 1.4367% / 0.01436709\n51.8 West-African_Hunter-Gatherer\n14.2 Early_European_Farmer\n13.2 Iberomaurusian\n12.0 ZAF_400BP\n3.8 Iran_Neolithic\n3.0 Steppe_Pastoralist\n1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer\n0.8 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer\n0.2 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic\n\n\nTarget: Fulani_Gambia_B\nDistance: 1.3459% / 0.01345906\n53.0 West-African_Hunter-Gatherer\n26.6 Iberomaurusian\n10.8 Early_European_Farmer\n7.8 ZAF_400BP\n1.2 Steppe_Pastoralist\n0.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer\n\n\nWhy do soo many blacks from The Gambia have ancient European Dna?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Berbers or Green Saharans."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThere's a paper proposing that Green Saharan were a mixture of European farmers and Iberomaurusians and that Fulani carry this ancestry.\n\nThe Manjak outlier seem to have Berber ancestry (higher farmer, additional Iran_N/CHG ancestry like modern Berbers)."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI have seen some without the Iran_N/CHG ancestry what does that mean?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChadic intromission at some point maybe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAncient Berber men with maternal European admixture bred with sheboons."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nBerbers have Iran_N/CHG ancestry. The original Green Saharans didn't have that."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nTheir origins are still largely unknown and their Eurasian genetic component is usually explained by recent admixture events with northern African groups. However, it has also been proposed that Fulani may be the descendants of ancient groups settled in the Sahara during its last Green phase (12000-5000 BP), as also suggested by Y chromosome results. Results\nhttps://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.06.535569v1"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>3\nwhat is ZAF_400BP?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are nigger. Be R1a, be white."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThey have r1b"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nR1b is bad haplogruppe. He is nigger. Black monkey. He eat banana and poop in jungle.\n\nBe R1a, be white."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do soo many blacks from The Gambia have ancient European Dna?\n\nIt isn't just The Gambia, it's all of West Africa. All West Africans, even the \"pure\" Yoruba, have some West Eurasian ancestry thanks to mixing with both ancient Amazigh people during the Green Sahara period/well after and mixing with people who either have a lot of Early European Farmer or actual EEF people who migrated from Europe into Africa. The Yoruba in particular, have up to 8.6% of their ancestry derived from West Eurasians. The Fula/Fulani who range from 20‐25% to 40% West Eurasian, might be some of the last people who never really left the Sahel back when it was green."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>>12\nIndian get out"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYou are anglo-saxon or nigger? Get out. I am not indian, but indian kshatriy's is my indo-european brothers. We are R1a, we are white.\n\nWe need return our trad indo-european world, without material civilisation. We need destroy material civilisation. Viva la Indo-European world."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>We need return our trad indo-european world\n\nThen get the fuck off of the internet and go raise cattle like a real man, you pathetic unwashed pasty NEET."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Then get the fuck off of the internet and go raise cattle like a real man\nYou are basedjack. Read Rene Genoun, lalka.\n\nYou are R1b monkey."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nGet out."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nI more white then you"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>>17\n>>15\n>>12\n>>10\nRetarded ape, what are you doing? Such a buck broken creature."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>>12\n>>15\n>>17\n>>19\nVery disrespectful to R1b. You shall receive a haplocurse soon.\nt. knower"}, {"id": 22, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nnot a SINGLE alpine / serf feature"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw no unwashed and probably syphilitic but still qt XVIII century bf who wears lipstick, jewelry and fancy stockings, but doesn't know that it makes him a 'discord tranny' in 4chan's opinion, so he still tries to act manly (according to the XVIII century concept of masculinity which may include having feels and being in touch with them) and with him you can forget about all that cringe XXI century gender politics bs and just enjoy having a qt3.14 and fabulous bf"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">(according to the XVIII century concept of masculinity which may include having feels and being in touch with them)\nsource? pretty sure \"stiff upper lip\" has always been the standard for masculinity"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>source?\nBiographies, memoirs, works from the Western canon written in XVIII-XIX centuries, diverse historical literature\n>pretty sure \"stiff upper lip\" has always been the standard for masculinity\nRead more, brainlet"}, {"id": 4, "content": "another pseudointellectual discovered fashion trends change over time and upper classes always has been more ornate than geneeral populace.\nCongrats,\nyou are just att the start of the road"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNow even the uper classes look mostly boring. Shit century, shit timeline"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthat's a kid\n>>3\n>>5\nthose two look ugly\n\nnext time post cute boys"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nMen were always expected to have feelings and be sensitive, but act strong in the face of adversity."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>those two look ugly\nPost what you find cute yourself, Mr. 2/10 Wouldn't Bang, you're welcome :3"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Perhaps this fellow was one of the popular boys who bullied Wellesley at Eton, kek. Though the dates don't seem to make that probable."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Dear God, please forgive my sins, and when I die in WW3 please isekai me to a universe where boys are still cute and still dress fabulously!"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Paederasty and faggotry in general is cringe. KYS."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ywn daydream with your dearest friend about returning to his father's throne"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would the State of Israel look like if the majority of the population were Ashkenazi jews?\nWould it be the most advanced country in the world?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat would the world look like if it only contain Ashkenazi jews, East Asians, and Nordic citizens?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nA lot more skin cancer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSubtract mainland china from East Asians, and it would be utopic."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nHumans would almost wipe themselves out in one generation on account of the high rates of trannies, gays, suicidal, depressed and mentally ill freaks, and general low fertility rates. The average population would already be in the 40's, and Civilization would die with a wimper in adult diapers in a couple years, and maybe the whole of human race if these tranny populations play it right.\nHope that answered your question"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNot everything is about trannies"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nWe'd have a dyson sphere around Alpha Centauri and a eudaemonic society. The only question would be dividing priorities between humanity's perfection or galactic settlement."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nLol no. They'd all dive at each other's throats."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>low fertility rates\nBro we Ashkenazim are the most fertile race in existence Yiddish is the fastest growing language in america"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat has been tried before, with horrible results."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\n>>9\nAshkenazis are just fucking retards and not even real Jews."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWe are real jews"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYou are descendants of retarded or mentaly ill germans, who learned to use the hebrew alphabet, because they couldn't learn to read fraktur."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou mean Italians"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nHe is E1b1b so no he's an actual Israelite."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be terrifying. Too many smart Jews in one place."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nhow? were his ancestors blacked?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nIt's one of the bigger haplogroupe among Ashkenazim after j1 it's a mena haplogroupe all of the mena was nigher free a few thousand years ago unironicly we wuz kangz an shit"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nso why don't they have any german dna? genetically they are italian, levantine and slavic\n>because they couldn't learn to read fraktur.\ngermans were highly illiterate as recently as the 19th century"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nHow were they bleached?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThey weren't bleached they were always white till the slave trade brought niggers whom eventualy mixed into the population"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nThe world would be a significantly more advanced, safer, and less disgusting place."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nMassive power grabs between all 3. You think they'd all play along?\n\n>>21\n>>18\nblack ancestry is very small."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\nDyson spheres are retarded and do not work.\nCan't beat thermal radiation and gravity."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>black ancestry is very small.\nIt doesn't take much"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does History play out the way it does because that was the only possible way it could have gone?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Yes; unless you have evidence of history playing out differently?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI guess what I mean is, is there any level of possibility that it COULD have played out differently?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYes, if reality consists of a multiverse like quantum mechanics hints at."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you believe in predestination I suppose, sure. Otherwise..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCurrent evidence suggests that at some level random, or at least non-deterministic events DO occur, which means that there it is actually impossible to forecast events with 100% certainty--even given perfect information.\n\nThis completely BTFOs all Hard-Deterministic arguments for the last 3000 years, by the by. It means that all statements of things like \"History is entirely the product of material forces\" can now properly be called anti-scientific. There was no way to prove such claims in the first place, but now there is actual physical evidence that naturally reduces ALL claims of total determinism in anything except perhaps pure logic in the Aristotolean Mode, to mere supposition.\n\nBasically Great Man theory is now more plausible than Historical Materialism. Get fucked lmao."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe introduction of randomness doesn't add a non-material force into the process. It's literally just that, it's still materialistic determinism, just now you have dice rolls. That's not God and it's not the hyperborean warrior spirit."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>daddy will fix all my problems\nwho's your \"great man\" of the 21st century west?\ni warn you, i've recently had surgery so don't make me laugh by saying trump"}, {"id": 9, "content": "History is random and that's a good thing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nUnironically, it's Xi"}, {"id": 11, "content": "NPC thread\n\nYes ofc history could have been different. You'd have to be a robot to think otherwise."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nExplain how."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nhe was made by the western oligarchs who offshore their industry to profit from Chinese slave labor\n\nwithout the western capitalists exploiting their subjects and admittance into the WTO would still look like it did in the 70s\n\nall its going to take for that house of cards to fall is a losing war like the one their Russian butt buddies are currently losing\n\nthe average Chinese has almost had enough, we saw that recently with the massive corona lockdown protests"}, {"id": 14, "content": "We need to think in deterministic terms to model anything but we don't really know. For all we know free will is magical and your choices define your entire past retroactively or whatever.\nHypotheticals are useful to explore the world either way."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nIf you allow this, you must answer WHY it didn't."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nIs that the homosexual jap?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, this is only true with your mom being a whore. That's true in all possible histories"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "As a Brownoid explain to me the concept of solidarity. Why I'm I supposed to support movements and groups that I have zero stake in just because their filled with brown people I have zero connection with."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSolidarity is a lie. The negroes of the BLM terror group routinely attack and harass immigrant Lations and Asians and loot and burn down immigrant run stores.\n\nArm yourself against these terrorist thugs, they don't know pity or mercy. the last thing you want to do is kneel for them like a white liberal cuck."}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's just a veiled threat. You support them now or else they'll come for you next."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the idea is that there is a common ground between people that hate both your groups"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell the idea is if you help troons, LGBTBBQ and feminists they will jhelp you get more gibsmedats in return, you all join forces against the white man, tear down vvestern civilization and make wypipo pay"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">zero stake in\nthis is why ethnic solidarity is a joke.\nwhat you should have is solidarity with your fellow proles, because any victory for workers anywhere is a defeat for the bosses."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nOP here\nMy grandfather is a landlord despite being a communist and thinks most poor people are bums."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nWhy should I care about Amazon workers the other side of the planet who are too dumb to realize they are being exploited? It's not my problem"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nSure comrade! Line up against this wall to be inspected for the solidarity parade.\n\n*loads mags*"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nThis. One of those bail fund groups celebs were donating to released a criminal back onto the streets because he was poor and black. Anyways, he ran over two of my classmates and now one of them is paralysed for life. Their families are suing the bail fund. Any non black who supports BLM is a retard."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI thought you were Korean"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nI'm not korean, I just support jihad against communists"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm brown too but I hate blacks and fucking east asians just as much as I hate Anglo Saxons.\nI only care about the well-being of my country, I don't care about the nonsense woke from the United States"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause, in theory, they'll back you too. In practice, all you really do is attack white people and promote black people while being entirely ignored yourself."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>brownoid doesn't understand the logic of a mob\nWE GOT A SENTIENT ONE OVER HERE"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>ignored\n\nLOL I wish. Most anti Asian hate crimes are committed by blacks."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs a sidenote, the whole \"brown people\" thing that's been promoted in the past 2 years is so retarded.\n\nBlacks and whites atleast mean something(SSA's and euros), latinos have a common cultural original, but brown literally means nothing, besides sounding victorian af.\n\nThere's literally no genetic, linguistic, religious, cultural or geographical anything connecting \"brown people\"."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nmy grandma was the victim of one. we are not asian but look it. however, this happened pre-covid so the attacker wasn’t charged with a hate crime despite the fact that all of her victims were either asian or asian looking. i was never a racist or anything like that but the whole incident really red pilled me. seeing blacks online justify these attacks on the basis the victims MAY have been antiblack was the worst part. imagine being some old woman and getting knocked out over $100 and someone saying you deserve it because you may have looked at a black person wrong once"}, {"id": 19, "content": "More allies=Larger mob\n\nIts all in the velvet revolution playbook"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nIt's just a nice way of saying Pajeet"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt's not even that.\n\nIt somehow encompases both indians, mestizos, tanned arabs, tropical island asians, etc."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause pluralism is a very difficult concept to work with. you have multiple marginalized groups who band together to improve their quality of life, each with their own goals, however they're either unfinanced or outnumbered, so their means of doing so are limited. There's strength in numbers. Even though not every group's goals will be realized, it's still a better chance than working individually.\nyou don't have to support those movements, but if you want a chance of improving your life's circumstances, it wouldn't hurt to try."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\nWhat connects brown people is their inability to live in a civilized society, their random acts of violence, and the self-abnegating cuckoldish leftist love of them for doing just that."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>cuckoldish\nClose the blacked tab hun"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nI won't support your blacks motherfucking lefty"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\na shame really, since whites don't see a difference between browns and blacks."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause if you accept the leftist premise that white people treat brown people poorly (and primarily because of their appearance/background), then you would have an interest in combating that."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>2\n>your store gets burned down because the local government didn't do anything\n>local government comes out the next day to put a fence around the rubble of your former store because it's a hazard and sends you a $3,000 bill\nsurprises me we didn't see more people going postal with some of the wild moments of 2020"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasically, you should not and solidarity is a lie. They will pretend that you all stand united, but will turn at the first sign of issue. They can only remain cohesive through shared anger against a common enemy (the white majority).\nStill, I can explain the logic of it. Imagine rights are a pyramid in our society, from the most privileged to the least privileged. If a right applies to the bottom tier of the pyramid, it always applies to the people above it. When Black people earned the right to vote, it demanded that other groups be given the right to vote as well. In fact, it was one of the main arguments for women's suffrage that black men could vote but women can't.\nSolidarity, in the context of a liberal democracy, stems from this notion of shared rights and a mutual liberation. I consider it nonsense, however. Many groups were able to shirk solidarity and enjoyed benefits from doing so, like White Catholics. Additionally, solidarity seems to have a short memory and groups that were horribly oppressed get memory-holed in favor of the Current Thing."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nPhilosophically there's no difference between races that aren't white. Whites are the only race on the planet that consistently vote conservative, believing in the limiting of government power as all power does is corrupt. Browns almost unanimously vote to give thier government more and more power in order to get as many benefits from them as possible. In US history most mass immigrants also did this, voting to expand federal power in order to get as much welfare or benefits as possible, it's called pork barrel politics. But even before it was called pork barrel politics all throughout history corrupt governments have literally paid for votes. Since brown people doesn't have any political nuance and simply emulate the west out of existential necessity, they all vote for more gibs or for the most populist candidate bar none. And browns in the west tend to do the same thing they do in their original countries"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>6\nRace and class are scams. I'd gladly be a \"class traitor\" if it benefits me as an individual."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>make forward together\n>or\n>get fucked over alone"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>fight other peoples battles\n>and\n>get fucked over anyways"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>13\n>east asians just as much as I hate Anglo Saxons.\nFunny because if you were in the US East Asians would like you because of pan-Asian American solidarity."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nthis lol. don't see anyone walking in the streets for asian american issues."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>18\nI’m sorry man, it’s honestly enough to push a man to the breaking point. Every time there’s a black killer/mass shooter these people come out of the woodwork to defend them."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>30\nOnce their use as a cudgel against whites is fulfilled blacks will be discarded. After spics become the overwhelming majority blacks will no longer be the sacred calf and will return to being the punching bag for the spics who all have inferiority complexes towards whites anyways."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\nWhat white conservatives don’t realize is that you can’t fight the left with small government in this day and age. Liberals are just going to staff federal positions with their sycophants and use the deep state to crush you."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\n>Whites are the only race on the planet that consistently vote conservative\nMy family is Chinese and the ones in America almost all vote Democrat because they think Republicans are \"mean\". They all work as engineers, accountants, etc and have 6 figure incomes but every year vote for higher taxes and affirmative action. I don't get it."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nThe GOP's strategy of catering to half of a slowly dwindling minority is doomed."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>catering to half of a slowly dwindling minority\nwhen you put it that way it seems like a pretty bad plan."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nImmigrants always move to the cities, US cities have been pozzed democrat immigrant strongholds since the late 1800's, there will never be a concession of races politically because only white people live outside of city limits, the parties have always been geographical in nature, so it's not actually a race thing. But that doesn't stop the finger pointing"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\n>only white people live outside of city limits\nI wonder what will happen as suburban areas continue to grow as successful city dwellers \"graduate\" from city life after they marry and have kids. I live in Maryland and a lot of my friends leave Baltimore to live in one of the many expensive suburbs after they have kids. On the other hand Baltimore is a total shithole."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>17\nBrown means tamed domesticated pawn mutt."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "the words 'bourgeoisie' and 'proletariat' do not objectively describe concrete reality"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni would disagree despite being right-wing myself, bourgeoisie and proletariat are part of our reality despite not being all of it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI mean they're social/economic categories, they don't have the same ontological status as chemical elements, but they seem about as concrete as social categories can get. In a capitalist economy the bourgeoisie own the means of production via capital and purchase labor from the proletariat to produce goods/services, pocketing the profit from selling those goods. I'm not saying its a perfect or all inclusive distinction, but I don't see how you can deny that it describes reality. This isn't even inherently Communist, Marx provided the names but the basic process was described by Adam Smith."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhat does the owner of a small company have in common with JP morgan? What does a CNC machinist have in common with a McDonalds cashier?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nOne group earns profits irrespective of their labor while the others are paid by their labor"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe owners both own business, the employees are both employed by businesses. If you don't think they have a shared class interest than fine, but you can't say the categories aren't real. At worst they're inconsequential or trivial, but they still describe reality."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThis is why socialism will never catch on in America.\nWhen socialists say \"the rich\" they mean the multi-billionaire globohomo elite\nBut the poor just think they mean they're coming to take their pick up truck and eat their dog."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>but they seem about as concrete as social categories can get\nsee >>4\n>This isn't even inherently Communist, Marx provided the names but the basic process was described by Adam Smith.\nMarx says these social categories fall into two diametrically opposed classes\n>One group earns profits irrespective of their labor\nnot even marx as the gall to say petite bourgeoisie does not work\n> while the others are paid by their labor\nanyone who ever worked a job knows not everyone who gets paid works."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>The owners both own business, the employees are both employed by businesses\nthe business owner still works.\n>>7\ncommunists are historically hostile to the middle classes"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nThe owner of a small company would be petit bourgeois rather than a member of the full bourgeoisie, the distinction being that the petit bourgeois owns the means of production on which they must labour to survive and a full bourgeois owns means of production but does not need to labour to survive due to the mass of surplus value produced by their employees. (Capital vol 1 chapter 11 talks about the mass of surplus value necessary to transform from petit bourgeois (\"small business owner\") to bourgeois (\"capitalist\")). So the owners of JP Morgan and the owner of a small business have one main thing in common: ownership of some portion of the means of production.\n\nWhat do a McDonalds employee and a CnC guy have in common? The McDonald's cashier doesn't own the McDonald's they work at and the CnC guy doesn't own the shop he works in. They've both sold their labour power to the owners of their respective places of work. Proletariat as commies consider it isn't a cultural class, but a relationship to the means of production.\n\nIt's obvious you haven't really looked into Marxism. Maybe try reading some before posting criticisms instead of just relying on cultural osmosis."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>a full bourgeois owns means of production but does not need to labour to survive due to the mass of surplus value produced by their employees\nCitation needed."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAre you stupid or something? Elon Musk doesn't NEED to work, he could just kick back and live off the fruits of the companies he owns. There's nothing stopping full on bourgeoisie from not labouring, unlike petit bourgeoisie who do not collect enough surplus value to match their expected standard of living. That's why there's the trope of professional philanthropists who do nothing but charity work due to their huge fortunes they'll never use."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>full bourgeois owns means of production but does not need to labour to survive\nthis is not true. many large company owners put in up to 100 hours\n>So the owners of JP Morgan and the owner of a small business have one main thing in common: ownership of some portion of the means of production\nSo what? a sewing machine is also a means of production.\n>They've both sold their labour power to the owners of their respective places of work.\ncapital owners also expend their own labour power into their capital"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nIf he doesn't work, the company wouldn't be as successful as it is."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>communists are historically hostile to the middle classes\nDepends what you mean by \"middle class\", Marx believed things like local stores and local produce would be outcompeted by huge megachains, from the communist manifesto:\n>The lower strata of the Middle class—the small tradespeople, shopkeepers, and retired tradesmen generally, the handicraftsmen and peasants—all these sink gradually into the proletariat, partly because their diminutive capital does not suffice for the scale on which Modern Industry is carried on, and is swamped in the competition with the large capitalists, partly because their specialized skill is rendered worthless by new methods of production. Thus the proletariat is recruited from all classes of the population.\nWhich is generally what happened, small stores couldn't compete with walmarts. Whatever the case, these \"small tradespeople\" (pickup owning \"middle class\") are defined as proletariat by Marx, owing to their capital not coming anywhere near that of the megacorps.\n\nBut the rhetoric in America is that everyone who can afford to take a shit in a toilet is bourgeois, which isn't what Marx or socialists believe or say."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>4\nRed pill: Small companies are exploited by large companies."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Which is generally what happened, small stores couldn't compete with walmarts\nOr it just didn't, otherwise you would see bakers going extinct because of supermarkets."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Depends what you mean by \"middle class\"\nthose who recieve an income from capital, i.e any old boomer that owns a stock.\\\n>Which is generally what happened, small stores couldn't compete with walmarts\nWe aren't talking about that we are talking about how a socal category so broad as to include salt mine workers in africa and skilled labourers in america somehow have a united interested to overthrow all capital owners,[to do what, exactly?]\n>>16\nbourgeoisie and proletariat are far too broad. banks are not even owners of means of production but have surplus on the money commodity. they have nothing in common with bourgeoisie as a class yet are infinitely more powerful."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nDoesnt matter because he was rich already decades ago. He chooses to work and his motivation isnt money.\nA pure capitalist doesnt have to work, or to runs a business. Running a business is a job done by professional managers, whom are also employees. A capitalist just has to own shares.\nThe typical small business owner cant afford to hire management or doesnt trust it, for good reason since managers tend to fuck up companies because their private interests do not line up with the owners interests, despite being paid to line up"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're just buzzwords for useful idiots who think utopia will happen if they just give the corrupt state even more power."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nIts just a concept, living from work vs living from capital. Most people are a mix.\nMost wagies get a pension which is living from capital, and if you own a house thats legally considered a business that produces a profit as rent you pay to yourself.\nMost capitalists do some work in management, though most really dont and just settle for being taken care of by a trust fund"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>A pure capitalist doesnt have to work, or to runs a business\nAnd yet they do work to get there, to run a business and make sure the management works effectively, providing the right incentives for the company to be efficient and performing.\n\nIf it was just a matter of owning any retard would do that."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>>21\nand why do they have diametrically opposed interests"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\n>small stores couldn't compete with walmarts\nsmall stores are a niche, people use them if they live close like on the same street, it saves time and effort and for some thats worth money. Not to mention driving costs money too"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>And yet they do work to get there\nI told you most people are a mix.\n\"how they get it\" is irrelevant to the concept, a person can just be born rich with a trust fund or work hard to become rich. Its irrelevant"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nPeople always want more than what is materially possible."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>22\n>If it was just a matter of owning any retard would do that.\nAny retard can own shares and they do\n>>23\n>and why do they have diametrically opposed interests\nThe owner wants to maximize profit while the manager just wants to pad with CV and get paid as much as he can regardless of the long term.\nA manager will happily bankrupt a company by hiring all his family as assistants, its not his money being wasted"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>trust funds makes my money magically go up"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>The owner wants to maximize profit\nthe owner is free not to do that."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>>27\n>Any retard can own shares and they do\nA lot of people, if not the majority, also loses a fuckton of money doing that for some reason."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nWhat retarded strawman is that? What the fuck is wrong with you?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>15\n>Which is generally what happened\nIn a very predictable pattern described in detail by people that are not Marx. The models that predict this also don't have to pretend there's a special case happening with money. Knowledge accumulates in the hand of a few despite global access to it. Health in general reinforces itself while disease and decay lead to even more disease and decay.\nIf we could redistribute the health is that something you would actually do? It's very analogous to the wealth redistribution, healthy people can take some load off others but anything close to complete redistribution would make everything worse, in the long term it's likely nobody would benefit."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>A lot of people, if not the majority, also loses a fuckton of money doing that for some reason.\nSo?\nOwning shares isnt the same as day trading. You just own a part of a company, if the company does poorly you lose money, obviously.\nBut the average company doesnt lose money"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nThe reason behind my strawman is you make it seem extremely easy to be rich."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>objectively describe\n>concrete reality\nWhat do these terms mean? And how do they differ from \"describe\" and \"reality\"?"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Technically nobody has to work. You're welcome to live in a homeless shelter and get food from the food bank. The post-scarcity society where one does not have to worry about basic needs is already achieved.\n\nOf course, this isn't what you're talking about. You don't want necessities - you want luxuries. Human demand for luxuries is infinite, so you will never be happy. You will kill stealing, killing, and destroying because somebody else had more stuff than you do. You will commit the worst sins while claiming to be a good person. Fuck you."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>>30\n\n>But the average company doesnt lose money\nAllow me to elaborate:\nAll companies in the United States earn about 8 trillion dollars in gross profit. Theres less left after tax.\nThat profit fluctuates a bit year to year, it dips in recessions, it never goes negative. Capitalists exposed to a broad, representative cross section of industries in the USA dont lose money, far more businesses make money than lose it."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\n>But the average company doesnt lose money\nIf the average company doesn't lose money why don't you take a loan and invest in the first thing that shows up in your broker list?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>is you make it seem extremely easy to be rich.\nIs it hard to be born rich and just have a fortune locked in a trust you cant legally manage but that will pass profits to you for life?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>If the average company doesn't lose money why don't you take a loan and invest in the first thing that shows up in your broker list?\nWhy would i invest in \"the first thing\" when the whole point is to have diversification?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nHow many people do that? Would you trust a fund managing millions for the next 150 years?\n\nYour grandson could be rich by compund growth if you start with just 1000 dollars. But no one does that."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>35\nobjectively means the same as factually. concretely means without abstractions."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\n>If the average company doesn't lose money why don't you take a loan\nAn investment can be profitable and yet have a return of investment lower than a loan's interest rate.\nBy which you can still profit if you invest your own money, but not with a loan.\nFurther, most capital in the economy is not easily traded with public shares. Most companies are LLCs or S class corporations, you cant just call a broker and buy their shares.\nMost capital by raw value is real estate, land and buildings, about 65% of all capital.\nWhen you are rich you are exposed to all these forms of capital, not just to public corporations. On average, they dont lose money. They have years when they might make less money, but never lose, unless theres some giant disaster like a serious war or a communist revolution recks it. Tho thats why you also get foreign assets."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nOk, i change the previous statement in \"the first things that shows up\", if the average company doesn't lose money you should be fine even with little diversification."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>How many people do that?\nIts a concept but its also the reality for most rich people. Not every kid of a millionaire is cut to be a CEO, most would rather take checks and go play tennis"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>if the average company doesn't lose money you should be fine even with little diversification.\nYou have no basis to say this and by saying that you are revealing yourself to be extremely stupid.\nIncredible, you are just going to say diversification doesnt matter and expect to not be called a retard, but you are, retard."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>33\nOwning shares is a result someone having accumulated value, having worked and saved the fruits of that work for later and then basically lending it out for others to be more fruitful than they would have been without the loan.\nKnowing things is also a source of easy money and a result of accumulating value from previous work. Why don't you apply your logic to that and everything else?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>Owning shares is a result someone having accumulated value\nNo, you can just be born rich. The \"how\" you get to be rich is irrelevant. Its not that its a lie, but it has nothing do with the concept. When you own shares you just own shares and thats all there is to it"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nAgain, you make it seem very easy and serm to make up your own personal reality rather than reality itself."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>34\nEasier than not having things but nobody has it easier than healthy and mentally fulfilled, normal family people, we need to make them more miserable for \"equality\"."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>Again, you make it seem very easy\nHow the fuck is it hard to be born rich?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>42\nSo filler words that wouldnt change the meaning at all if they were not there, got it.\n\nAnyway, the answer is pretty obvious. In modern economy vast majority of people are working for a wage, those are the proletariat and vast majority of wealth is held by their employers and people who collect various rents and interests, those are the so called bourgeiose (Marx uses retarded, obsolete etymology here). Just like in the past vast majority of work was done by people called peasants and vast majority of wealth was owned by people called lords. Then of course, there are groups of people on the fringes between these groups or people who exist outside of the dichotomy but they are the minority."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>48\ni say it is relevant, since it's the same way you stay rich.\n>it doesn't matter how you get those fruits, you have the fruits"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>i say it is relevant, since it's the same way you stay rich.\nNot when the wealth is managed by professionals, not every rich kid is cut to be a CEO or finance person."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nWhere that welath comes from in the first place, retard? How do you keep feeding yourself after eating everything in 3 fenerations or so, mongoloid?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>48\n>No\nIt's still a result of someone having accumulated the value. They worked and saved and maybe invested correctly, meaning something with demand got brought to market, which is added value. Friendly old Mr. Goldstein worked his entire lives just give his son a better starting place to build an even more glorious future. What does any of that have to do with you and your lack of general competence?\nHis son is also much better educated than you and inherently smarter from his superior genes, all a result of work from his ancestors that wanted to give him those things."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nIf managing money was that easy, why people don't make their money by letting professional manage their shit for generations to come?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\n>Where that welath comes from in the first place, retard?\nDoesnt matter. You can work hard for it, steal it or inherit it. You can also lose all your money or part of it. None of that is relevant"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>It's still a result of someone having accumulated the value.\nIrrelevant so your comment adds nothing to this discussion"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>why people don't make their money by letting professional manage their shit for generations to come?\nPeople do that, except people that actually study business and have the correct personality to run companies. A random rich person isnt a CEO"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nAgain, it is relevant, otherwise you wouldn't get anything in the first place.\n\nYour family could be rich even with tiny sums if letting any faggot professional manage your money was everything you need to become rich, it's compound growth assuming you never lose money but make less during recessions."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>52\nowning property is not a privilege"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>43\nAnon, on average nobody loses money."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nYes. And?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\n>otherwise you wouldn't get anything in the first place.\nYou dont need to work hard to inherit money, i dont know why this is hard for you to understand. Im not even denying that people can work hard to get a fortune, for some reason you insist that it is the only way"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\nPeople do that and yet the majority don't get rich by doing jack shit."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>62\nIt is actually."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\nwhy is it necessary to make a distinction between owners of means of production and non owners. what even is a 'means of production', why is a sewing machine or a 3d printer not a means of production"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>yet the majority don't get rich by doing jack shit.\nSo?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>59\n>Irrelevant\nTo your ideological dogma, not reality. You have it easier than most people because of the things your forefathers gave to you. I want you to enjoy the fruits of their labour, that's fair and it actually works. The grasshopper who hasn't stored any nuts can get a nut here and there to avoid starving but if we start pretending he has some kind of legitimate claim everything breaks down."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>65\n>i dont know why this is hard for you to understand\nAnd i don't know why determinism is hard to get for you, as if inherit money makes you immune to thermodynamics."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nClass is made up wholly."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nSo being rich is not just you doing nothing, perhaps."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\n>To your ideological dogma, not reality.\nNo, its according to reality. A person can just be born rich and remain rich all his life being taken care of by some trust fund, having never run any business. This is obviously never the case for someone that creates a fortune from scratch, such as a successful businessman. Some of his kids and grandkids down the line might also be good at business, most wont.\nTaking care of a business is also impossible when the capital is fully diversified and there isnt any sort of family company to even go check out"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>>71\nYou are having a psychotic break"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nA person can be born in the first world with all his life being taken care of and the biggest problem in their lives being imagined boogeymen benefitting slightly more from established wealth."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>A person can just be born rich and remain rich all his life being taken care of by some trust fund\nThe source is confirmed by my ass."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nI accept you concession, but please refrain from crying loudly."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nYou think trust funds are not real?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nNo, i think they're not magic money making machines."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\nYou think Kate Rothschild worked hard for her money? Shes worth 500 million dollars"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>68\n>why is it necessary to make a distinction between owners of means of production and non owners\nSo we went from \"Its not correct\" to \"Why is it desirable?\".\n\nThere are many social theories that work off from this division and in fact its crucial distinction to made if one ones want to make sense of modern society and answer the questions relating to inequality in wealth and power in societies where everyone is de jure equal. That includes the question \"How do I become extraordinarily wealthy?\", because waging can only get you so far."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nWho said trust funds are magic money machines? Oh, its another strawman where you say something retarded and then debunk it"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\n>So we went from \"Its not correct\nit's not correct because it does not accurately describe anything. it's too broad of a category. like saying 'we can categorize people into two groups, those that have children and those do not'.\n\nthere are people who wagecuck that make more than business owners. for example, a high skill wage labourer vs deli owner."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\n>you are strawmanning because i take everything you write literally and can't connect shit to what i previously stated"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nThe concepts are valid but alone they dont describe all of reality"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>i take everything you write literally\nNobody is impressed by your shitty attempts at being witty. You are a repugnant person"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>84\n>'we can categorize people into two groups, those that have children and those do not'.\n...but anon, thats what we very often do. Like when handing out child benefits.\n\n>there are people who wagecuck that make more than business owners\nYes and? In 10th century Europe there surely were peasants and merchants who were more better off than some minor knights with blue blood. Which did not changed the fact that it was the lords who held vast majority of power in society."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>86\ni dont understand how you get from drawing these distintions to telling me one class of people are my enemy"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\n>You are a repugnant person\nYou are a retarded person that can't make associations, makue up your mind to what is better."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>88\n>...but anon, thats what we very often do. Like when handing out child benefits.\nyou don't do it to explain some kind of 'law of history'\n>>88\n>In 10th century Europe there surely were peasants and merchants who were more better off than some minor knights with blue blood. Which did not changed the fact that it was the lords who held vast majority of power in society.\nand most wealth held today is not held by 'bourgeoisie' (whatever that is) but bankers."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nBankers hold tokens that account for value. Most real wealth is controlled by the US military industrial complex."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nno bankers have total control over the supply of money."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\n>you don't do it to explain some kind of 'law of history'\nHaplogroup autists would surely differ.\n>and most wealth held today is not held by 'bourgeoisie' (whatever that is) but bankers.\nDid your mother dropped you on your head when you were young? Bankers are part of the bourgeiose, as you hinted at, even the most important part of the bourgeiose in contemponary heavily financialized economy. They are on the top of the foodchain in any economic system that can be called \"market economy\" today."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nthen why don't you explicitly call out the bankers? why do you call out bourgeoisie in general? what kind of power does the owner of 'my pillow' get?"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nBankers are workers and scapegoats. They have established ways of siphoning from the system but they can only do that if the system works for those with real wealth and power. US tokens are backed by nothing but basically aircraft carriers so they must always keep spending on more carriers just to keep from collapsing.\nBecause we killed our kings the most powerful power hungry entities on the planet aren't human, they're abstract forces. The most powerful humans we have now submit completely to these forces."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nbut the u.s wont even be able to build aircraft carriers without selling bonds to the federal reserve."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\n>then why don't you explicitly call out the bankers?\nWho said anything about calling out anyone? If you mean the linen enjoyer in OP, then he explicitly called for expropriation of bankers.\n\nIts like you have some gatcha stuck in your head so you desperately try to move the conversation there via non sequiturs but its hard to follow for other people."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nno it's just that 'your kind' dont like any sort of businesses or free trade. remember what happened to the middle peasants in USSR? if you own 50 hectares you were a kulak."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nWhatever element of society controls the carriers and oil can dictate the policy, managing the tokens is a big part of effectively applying the power you have and maximizing that is not simple, it's work. The federal reserve and all that mess is a good example of what the idea of \"checks and balances\" over human sovereignty gets you. It's still more effective than simple gold backing in growing economies."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\n>no it's just that 'your kind' dont like\nI didnt say anything about liking or disliking, American. You start from pointless pretense of \"objectivity\" to accusing people of liking and disliking shit and trying to teach me about history of my country.\n\nIts like talking with NPC that has few different dialogue branches, but will always end up at what was desired by the developer even if it doesnt make much sense."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nhow do you expect to buy the aircraft carrier without the money for it? that money, the government borrows from banks."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>101\nno i am arguing with marxist-leninists. particularly that society is divided into two classes with opposing interests."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nYou issue a token promising profit from your carrier conquests, like a bond. There's no money without the carriers, the bankers moving tokens around don't inherently do anything, the tokens have to represent something."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n>society is divided into two classes\nThat was the orinal premise stated with OP and which I was debating.\n\nNext time state your interests directly and people will treat you like less of a retard."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nand we are still arguing the same thing. these categories are too broad, and I don't understand how your logic leads you to believe these two broad social cateogries are antagonal to one another"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>18\n>bourgeoisie and proletariat are far too broad. banks are not even owners of means of production but have surplus on the money commodity. they have nothing in common with bourgeoisie as a class yet are infinitely more powerful.\nThese are generalizations and some people bristle at such generalizations, but without some generalizations (hopefully used somewhat responsibly and not too often), it's hard to come up with realistic answers to the problems that people are struggling to understand. But as far as bankers, I think Marxists developed theories about a class of monopoly-finance capitalists which came to predominate advanced capitalists that swept up the old industrial bourgeoisie and their industries within their corpus.\n\nLet's look at Warren Buffett. He is currently the chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway and has a net worth in excess of $100 billion. What does he own? A lot of companies. Too much to list here. Insurance, food production, retail, railroads, home furnishings, jewelry, clothing, electrical power and natural gas distribution. Shares of gas station chains, Kraft Heinz, American Express, Bank of America, Coca-Cola, Apple.\n\nAs a class, the ownership of finance-monopoly capital includes the state itself. Their associations have enormous influence over politicians, bills and regulations, which shore up their wealth. It all seems abstract and theoretical until you look at the actual guys and what they own and what they do to protect and increase the value of their assets, even if that has negative consequences for their employees. And Marx described this as something that would develop as a natural outcome of capitalism, that both increases efficiency in production but also leads (ultimately) to crisis and ruin."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107 (me)\nAlso they have their own \"vanguard\" organizations. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers (that's who commissioned this billboard btw) or the National Association of Realtors and other such \"advocacy\" groups. The National Restaurant Association, etc.\n\nWhen you say the \"capitalist class\" or \"the booj-wah-zee\" as someone else said earlier, that's a social/economic category, but this is how that class expresses itself concretely, and politically. Just like if you're an American business owner and reading this thread, you might've been cold-called by your local chamber of commerce to try to get you to show up and their annual banquet.\n\nhttps://www.nam.org/\nhttps://www.uschamber.com/\nhttps://restaurant.org/"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How are western people in 2023 still religious?\n\nI can understand people in poorer nations still being religious because they don't have access to a decent education. They're not taught about science, evolution, etc. Also they probably cling to religion for hope, because they have to endure shitty living conditions.\n\nBut people in the West have access to scientific knowledge. They can teach themselves about evolution, the formation of planets, etc. All of which BTFOs religion.\n\nSo why the FUCK is anybody in the West religious in 2023?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou mistook \"public education\" for education.\nHere, listen to a widely known and published organic chemist at the forefront of nanotech research educated you properly on the origin of life. Learn the odds of you're truly dealing with.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4sP1E1Jd_Y [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI'm not watching your bollocks.\n\nGod doesn't exist. Anybody with a brain in the West should be able to figure that out, based on the wealth of scientific knowledge we have at our disposal."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Because religion is not just primitive science, and religion is not just a coping mechanism for poor people. If you just stop assuming that 19th century theories of religion are correct, then the perseverance of religion should not surprise you."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou must be 18 or over to post on this site"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLack of emotional control, low intelligence, drug addiction with religion as a cope, larping, poor education, ignorance."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere’s this certain type of low intelligence or irrationality where if you point out that religion gets things blatantly wrong they just kind of dissociate and pretend the religious texts aren’t wrong, they actually were meant to be correct."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod exists"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>religion is not just primitive science\nTrue, it's much worse. Religion is just a set of fantasies rather than something that is based on experimentation, which is needed to establish facts.\n\n>>5\nThen why are you here?\n\nI'm 99% sure that people like you have fallen for the religious meme because you think it will get you laid, lol. \"I'll totally get a tradwife if I larp as a Christian! That's what girls want, right? A larping Christian?\"\n\n>>6\nMaybe.\n\n>>7\nThe crazy thing is when they claim that religious texts were always meant to be allegorical and nobody ever believed them literally, even though we know people did believe them literally, and even still do, such as creationists who still exist today.\n\n>>8\nYou are just trolling."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's shocking because the idea that religious people are ignorant drop-out is atheistic myth. They mistake religious people with those who are cultural drifters and conformists. Now they're on the secular, atheistic side of the spectrum.\n\nChristians and Jews are still around because they're either following their cultural traditions or they've done their archaeological homework:\nhttps://pastelink.net/2w1ne\n\nIslam is around because of birthrates, but Muslims beliefs are in decline. Increasingly there's counterevidence to Islam-putting huge questions mark on the validity of the Qur'an and the Hadiths.\n\nHinduism is partly still strong because of the solidarity they've made against their Muslim invaders."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.foolquest.com/metaphysics_for_dummies.htm"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\ngrow up bro"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>You are just trolling.\nNot in the slightest"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>It's shocking because the idea that religious people are ignorant drop-out is atheistic\nOne of the most well established demographic correlations that exists is a body of dozens, I believe now over 100 studies over the past 100 years unanimously concluding that religious people are less intelligent on average than non-religious people"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>Increasingly there's counterevidence to Islam\nAll religions are bollocks, obviously. Any westerner, with the benefit of scientific education, should know this.\n\n>>11\n>metaphysics\nA giant crock of shit.\n\n>>12\nI have. Why haven't you? You still believe in a magical sky wizard?\n\n>>13\nWhy would you believe in a sky wizard for which there is no evidence?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nAbsolutely based Brit"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nGlad someone agrees. And yeah bollocks is a good word, other countries should use it too."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Why would you believe in a sky wizard for which there is no evidence?\nI don't believe in a sky wizard. I said that God exists"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nGovernment schools make dumb, easily enslaved and exploited kids.\n\nRemember, you still have a private central bank manipulating the money supply of your nation and creating depressions and recessions for their own private profits."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople are not fundamentally rational. That's why even people who should \"know better\" are still religious, superstitious or whatever other term you prefer to use. It doesn't do you or they any sort of good to sneer at them for it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nLocate the number 2 for me in the physical world then please"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\n>https://pastelink.net/2w1ne\n>>a giant pile of links that I have no real desire to read.\nProvide proof for the supernatural claims of the bible or stop wasting everyone's time.\n>>accept the existence of Jesus as a historical person\nI do. I just don't buy into all this \"son of god\" talk."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>It doesn't do you or they any sort of good to sneer at them for it.\nThe number of people capable of realizing religion is bullshit should be as close as possible to the number of people who do."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nEvery religion preaches that their gods are more real than the concept of numbers."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nSure, but no 4chan thread is going to convince them of that. Let alone one started by someone who is aggressively attacking their beliefs."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI accept your surrender"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nAnglos are subhuman"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nI’m not op I’m saying you’re making a categorical error.\nGods of religions are not said to be real only as far as numbers are real, they are capable of interacting with and appearing in physical reality in physical form"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nthe only good post in the entirety of 4chan right now"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I can understand people in poorer nations still being religious because they don't have access to a decent education.\natheists lecturing theists about education because they're unironically too uneducated and ignorant to know the fact that they are less educated than theists\nit's like dunning krueger, only someone who is uneducated wouldn't know that they're uneducated"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nHmmm..\nChristians at the bottom."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis unironically looks like it was written in 2011 by a 14 year old.\n\nyou're either trolling or 14, in which case, get off this site"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nI don't care because it's unrelated to the fact that Christians are more educated than atheists."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nSince we’re looking at that page I thought I’d include the part where Christians are the least educated religious demographic in America by a good amount"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nSo you live in America, right. Tell me one reason why you think I care what country you live in. Not everything is about you. I don't care. You are just digging your own intellectual grave with your nonsense non sequiturs."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>18\nChristianity is what calls God a sky wizard, not me.\n\n>>20\nI'm not sneering, I'm just trying to understand it. I think for a lot of people it's probably just cultural, right? They were brought up Christian and it gives them an identity. Like supporting a football team. They want the identity so they stick with it.\n\n>>21\nThe concept of 2 is physically located in your brain. And in other people's brains. Pairs of things also exist in the world, of course, but as for the number 2 itself, I would say that's the mental concept of 2, which is physically encoded into our brains.\n\nCome on man, you really think nonphysical things exist? There's no evidence for nonphysical things.\n\n>>22\n>Provide proof for the supernatural claims of the bible\nThey don't have that proof, of course. We all know that.\n\n>>27\n>>29\nThat's racist.\n\n>>30\n>no u!\nThis is pathetic.\n\n>>31\nLmao.\n\n>>32\nWhy are you so hurt, Christcuck? Pathetic.\n\n>>33\n>education is unrelated to education\nLMAO"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>Christianity is what calls God a sky wizard\nThat is incorrect\n\n>not me\nYep. it is, in fact, you who talks of wizards.\n\nGod exists"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThe Christian God is said to live in heaven (in the sky) and is said to have supernatural powers (making him a wizard).\n\nSo, he's a sky wizard, according to Christianity.\n\nAnd no he doesn't exist. Why do you think he exists? There's no evidence for such an entity at all. The much more likely explanation is that humans invented this idea of God because they couldn't explain the universe many centuries ago. But now we have science, which is a more plausible explanation than religion."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nIm literally smarter than you and I believe in God\n\nYou just dont understand\n\nThe education they have given you is false on a great scale lol"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>22\n>>22\n>a giant pile of links that I have no real desire to read.\n>Wonders why he can't find the section one supernaturalism\n>Still demand for it while thinking to himself that he's intellectually superior."}, {"id": 41, "content": "How can education tell you that there's no God? Whenever God is discussed in education it's in religion class, not science class."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nHe simply doesnt know God exists\n\nMany such cases"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShow me the paper that disprooves gnosticism.\n>Inb4 you have to prove\nNo I don't, you make the claim, you present the evidence, I didnt invite you to my highly elitist religion."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\n>>42\nIve never been retarded enough to say \"God doesnt exist\"\n\nNot even when I was a 14 year old teenager\n\nI know the possibility of christians calling \"God\" something they and we didnt understand was possible\n\nLike freemason gnosticism sort of\n\nYou have to be retarded to rule completly out something when the alternative possibility could be\n\n>This exists, but its not described perfectly to us for 10000 amount of reasons including limited human condition and intellect"}, {"id": 45, "content": "Long story short is God does exist\n\nIts inside metaphisics that we discover this fact, for less intellectual people it is an instinct that tells them\n\nIt is something that speaks directly to their brain this happens to intellectual people aswell\n\nThere is something about this universe we dont comprehend, could be God, angels demons the soul of the human\n\nAll of these at once like the 2000 year old scriptures claim there are\n\nFrom all the research Ive done in the last years I know God exists and people either know God exists or they dont\n\n>BUT MUH EDUCATION AND MUH SCIENCE GIVEN TO US AND MODERATED BY FREEMASONS DONT SAY NOTHING OF THIS\n\nYes retard"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>38\n>The Christian God is said to live in heaven (in the sky) and is said to have supernatural powers (making him a wizard).\nI think you might have seen that in the Simpsons or something anon. The issue is a tad more complicated\n\n>And no he doesn't exist.\nHe does\n\n>Why do you think he exists?\nmainly faith, supported by all the time i've dedicated to studying philosophy formally, even though I could do better. Also the culture I've grown up in is a strictly Catholic country, so that has something to do with it. I was an atheist for most of my teenage years though, even when I began studying philosophy. The reason I believe in God is the same reason I believe freedom is real\n\n>There's no evidence for such an entity at all.\nNot of the kind you're after, no\n\n>The much more likely explanation is that humans invented this idea of God because they couldn't explain the universe many centuries ago.\nAny mythological elements Christianity might have harbored have been cleared up by the progress of science. It doesn't surpress the core spiritual truth of Christianity, though\n\n>But now we have science, which is a more plausible explanation than religion.\nDifferent kinds of explanations to different kinds of questions with different languages. This is clear nowadays"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How are western people in 2023 still religious?\nThey're not. Most people don't actually go to church regularly, they just say they're \"christian\" for the census."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">GOD DOESNT FUCKING EXIST AAAAAAAAAAAA\n\n>Turns out he does\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soCkftBBsBo [Embed]"}, {"id": 49, "content": "there was no one single time period when religion did not exist\nthis answers your question, it will always exist and there is nothing you can do about it."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>31\n>implying Hinduism is not a religion\nwhat did he mean by this"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is there no humor in the Bible? Is that what heaven is like? No fun allowed?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJudges and Ezekiel made crude hyperboles\nThomas made a joke."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAlso Elijah made a poop joke"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's puns in the original hebrew and greek iirc"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif you don't think Bava Metzia 59b in the Talmud is funny, there's something wrong with you."}, {"id": 6, "content": "The OT is full of puns, not to mention all of the slapstick."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">\"Is your god on the toilet?\"\n>no humor"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBook of Jonah is proposed to be a comedical book that actually isnt based on any event at all\nit makes a comedic contrast between a literal prophet of God trying to run away from God and the pagans who obeys God's words and at the end the book talks with audience (Jonah) and teaches a lesson about faith and mercy"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Humor in the Bible:\n>God telling Cain to settle in the land of Nod (hebrew pun)\n>Balaam getting trolled by his donkey\n>Insanely long procession of babylonian instruments in Daniel (monty python sketch tier)\n>Tons of moments in Esther like Haman describing honors for himself which the king then gives to his enemy\n>The animals in Jonah wearing sack cloth\nThats off the top of my head"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nspeaking about toilet i remember a verse that a guy kills a fatso on toilet while he was shitting and guy is so fat that his sword gets submerged into him and diappears but still dies shitting to death."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAs the king stood up from his chair, Ehud reached with his left hand. He took out the sword that was tied to his right upper leg. Then he stabbed the sword deep into the king’s belly! The sword went into Eglon’s belly so far that even the handle sank in. And the blade came out his back. The king’s fat covered the whole sword. So Ehud left the sword in Eglon. He went out of the room and closed and locked the doors behind him. The servants returned just after Ehud left. They found the doors to the room locked. So they thought the king was relieving himself. They waited for a long time. Finally they became worried because he still had not opened the doors. So they got the key and unlocked them. When they entered, they saw their king lying dead on the floor!\nJudges 3:12-25"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nJonah is definitely a parody of the classical prophesy books"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>puns\nExamples? I would imagine that all of them have been lost in translatjon"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThe etymology for Moab in genesis is given as m' av in hebrew meaning 'from the father'. The israelites are saying the Moabites across the river are retarded incest cave babies from Lot and his daughter and say thats the origin of their name. The Ammonites get the same treatment. The hebrew bible is full of word plays and puns and reads like it was written by doctor Seuss.\nIn genesis 2 the word for naked describing adam and the word cunning describing the serpent are spelled differently but sound the same and its a wordplay. The burning bush is 'saneh' which is a pun connecting to Sinai. I could list these all day long."}, {"id": 15, "content": "\"God hath the strength of a unicorn.\"\nIt may not be intentionally funny, but it's funny."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nEdom gets name from caveman Esau (who is red) selling his right to his brother for a dish which he calls \"Red red dish\". Hold on let me find verse.\n>>12\nit is, it has 0 historical basis except for fact that Nineveh got decimated multiple times and perhaps thats ehy it was chosen as an example."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">the creator of universe being scared of iron chariots\nfunniest shit ive read desu"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nGenesis 25:30\n>>17\nThis is not exact scare but respect to free wil, God gave blessings to Israel but Israelites didnt had physical means to victory and that is why they failed. Only grace does not give you victory in every work. This kills Calvinist."}, {"id": 19, "content": "I believe Job 26:3 is supposed to be sarcastic."}, {"id": 20, "content": "The only joke I can think of is in Ezekiel where God says \"OK you can eat cow shit instead of human shit\" after bargaining with Ezekiel. Other absurd moments happen throughout the old testament but I can't accurately describe any. NT doesn't have much from what I recall. Much of it is just epistles which are written in a pretty matter-of-fact tone. The gospels probably have the most humor in them"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAHAHAHAHA!"}, {"id": 22, "content": "I laugh around my father so where my father is, I am myself also. I know that he can do a lot but I am his child so I have access servants don't that I am comfortable in his presence. Did you get it? Please, come hear this word."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nhahaahhaahahahhhahhh"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHumor comes from forgiveness and love. Jesus likely was very happy person to be around, full of love and laughter but also serious because God knows humanity suffers.\nThe New Testament does not end with Satan tied up and disabled. It ends with humanity able to be saved if they want to, and many evil prophecies still yet to occur until Satan is actually disabled for good.\nSteam is basically Heavyweights movie summer camp and Gabe is Tony Perkis."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rec_7Si0MEA [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nGood meme for the Kenan and Kel actors.\nAlso Ben Stiller is making TV series like Severance apple+. In it, he has a scene where Christopher Walken brings in religious paintings but suddenly has a gay love scene with another elderly old man. Like as if in Christian threads gay faggots started being faggots in /his/. Wtf?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nDo the right thing Ben, you are basically Captain Tony Planet Perkis of the Camp Hope IWannaPeepe Planeteers."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nPat aka McGowan also does other acting these days still, please punch Gabe in the face for ruining PC gaming with Bethesda like you did Tony when he ruined Camp Hope. Kthx."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerican's brains have been rotted by marvel. They can't take anything seriously unless it has a shitty one-liners every other minute. Attention span of a goldfish, the (((media))) has ruined your brains."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Buddhism is so incoherent. If there’s no self, what is it that reincarnates?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "your qi"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBuddha didn't exist"}, {"id": 4, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindstream"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSo there is a self even if its not technically a soul. ok."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIt's not a self because it's not something that's numerically identical to you and that maintains identity over time. Mental properties cause other mental properties, and this process continues after death, but none of these are \"you.\""}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAo its just a p-zombie consciousness-as-an illusion thing?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe ontological status of consciousness varies across Buddhist philosophical traditions."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThen why give a crap about karma or samsara, since as far as I'm concerned I will eventually be annihilated and the thing that keeps reincarnating forever is not really me? I achieve liberation from suffering by ceasing to exist no matter what I do, whether I accumulate good karma or bad."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nFrom the Buddhist perspective, that's just a delusion, because there is no self to be annihilated. If you agree with the Buddhist position that all things are selfless and you think suffering is bad, then there is no reason to prefer preventing \"your own\" suffering over preventing that of \"others\" because there is nothing in reality to ground such a distinction between self and other. By saying that the future person is \"not really me\", you're simply presupposing that there is something that's really you whose welfare you ought to be especially concerned with, but Buddhism denies that."}, {"id": 11, "content": "everyone ITT has it wrong\n\nthere IS a self that reincarnated, but there is only ONE self that is universally split amongst us\n\nthe distinction of \"selves\" as not being the same being is the illusion\n\nwhen you meet another person, you are meeting your own self in a different incarnation"}, {"id": 12, "content": "1. Buddhists don’t believe in reincarnation. They believe in rebirth.\n2. The citta (mind) through cause and effect is what is being reborn.\n\nWe have this thread every once in a while. Lurk moar."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe never said there was no self\n>>9\nit applies to this lifetime, not just rebirth"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Buddhists don’t believe in reincarnation. They believe in rebirth.\nthose are two different english words for the same thing\n\n>>11\nnot buddhism"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Five Psycho-Physical aggregates\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skandha\n\nDude, this is beginner stuff. Watch a lecture or take a five second google search or something."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n/thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was your favorite Roman Emperor after the Crisis of the Third Century? I have a soft spot for Charles V"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Ferdinand II"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is he pointing at his peepee?\nAlso nice trips."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">I have a soft spot for Charles V\n\nInbreeding so incapacitated the Habsburgs that by the death of King Charles II of Spain in 1700, they were virtually unable to reproduce."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nTOP 5 ROMAN EMPERORS OF ALL TIME\n5. FEDERICUS 'BARBAROSSA'\n4. AVGVSTVS\n3. TRAJANUS\n2. KAROLUS MAGNUS\n1. CONSTANTINUS I"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nMajorian and Henry VII had the potential to be in the top 5. Shame they died at such unfortunate times."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAnd Aurelian and Otto. Just way too many amazing emperors of the Romans."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBasil I the Based"}, {"id": 9, "content": "It must be known, they saw themselves as Frankish, not Romans"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>An emperor, young, weak, simple, governed by incapable ministers, and during the greatest abasement of the house of Austria, finds himself, in a moment, head of all the princes of Germany, who fear his authority and despise his person, and he is more absolute than Charles V ever was.\nLa Rochefoucauld about Leopold the Ist. I agree with the sentiment."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>CONSTANTINUS I\nnice bait"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Hitler"}, {"id": 2, "content": "this guy was King Chud"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">be so based that your enemies still fear your name almost 80 years after your death"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler DOOD. What nau?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nHitler"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDood? Vat Nou?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nik ook ik ook."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nHitler"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How tf did this baren desert region manage to grow enough food to feed enough of a population to become a powerful empire?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat\nthese were destroyed by the mongols"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It's a mountainous steppe region suitable for pastoralism."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The most important factor hindering the economic renaissance of the country and contributing to further economic decline was the fiscal policy of the viceroys of the Great Khan, and of the Il-Khans. This policy was particularly hard on peasant farmers, since the taxes were not precisely established, were levied in an arbitrary manner, were collected several times over, and were often of arbitrary size. We shall speak later in greater detail about the fiscal system of the Il-Khans.Let us for the time being note that towards the end of the thirteenth century the peasants had been brought to the verge of poverty and mass-flight. Thus even those regions which had not fallen prey to the invasion of Chingiz-Khan and Hiilegu, as for example Fars, were ruined. Vassaf gives a typical example of the decline of agricultural productivity in the Fars region. The district of Kurbal, considered one of the most fertile, watered by canals from the river Kur, on which were two large dams (the Band-i Amir and Band-i Qassar), yielded about 700,000kharvars(ass-loads) of grain in the annual harvest under Buyid 'Adud al-Daula (949-83). Under the atabeg Sa'd b. Abi Bakr, a vassal of the Il-Khans, the annual harvest there about the year 1260 fell to 300,000kharvars, and before the reforms of Ghazan fell even further, and the khardj of Kurbal consisted of only 42,000 kharvars of grain. The deliveries of grain from the other districts of Fars decreased in a like manner.\nIt was all downhill once the Buyids fell"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThink about that the decline from the Buyids to Turkic rule under the Seljuks and Khwarezmiansto the beginning of Mongol Rule was half of the former productivity of the buyid era. Ilkhanate rule started around 1260 and in that short time period it decreased to 42000 from 300000. Think about that. That's fucked up. Especially since Fars was one of the regions that avoided being ravaged by the Mongols. So this rapid decline came from poor administration by the ilkhanate. Imagine how bad it must have been for Khorasan the region of Iran that bore the brunt of Mongol savagery"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nJust to drive the point home further. Take 700000 as 100%.\nSo at 970 - 100%\n1260 - 43%\n1260 - 1295 - 6% or ( taken from the 1260 date 14%)\nThe reforms of Ghazan didn't help much either"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>( taken from the 1260 date 14%)\nin case this confuses someone. The 300000 from the 1260 date is the new reference the new 100%. Seriously though this shit is apocalyptic and the reason why I can't take mongolboos seriously since they imply only the initial conquests were bad and mongol rule was some amazing thing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't Cyrus begin his conquests from what had been Elam until the assyrian rape? Not gonna lie the region generally is better off than I expected. Not ancient Elam though."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDesertification. It's more extreme northeast in the stan countries. Areas known for large scale animal herding without fences since ancient times. I bet the constant huge wars don't help.\nAnimals can help plants by shitting everywhere but when there are only saplings nothing is allowed time to grow in the first place."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\nChrist. HOW?! How does this happen? I feel like had the Ilkhans just stopped governing when they took over things wouldn't be this bad. How the fuck does the country even function when things are this apocalyptic?"}, {"id": 11, "content": "sorry wrong picture"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThe most fucked up part is that the period between 1260 and the reign of Ghazan is a mere 35 years. Hulegu is written as some god tier monarch too."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShitskins raped and ravaged their own lands kek\n\nturned them into deserts"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>37% drop in 35 years\nI'm absolutely floored by this information. I've never learned much about the Mongols outside of their initial conquests since I thought it was boring, but I need to learn more now. How can you run a society this incompetently? How did it not totally collapse?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>37% drop in 35 years\nit's more like an 86% drop since 42000 is 14% of 300000. I probably should have posted the math better. my bad"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>How can you run a society this incompetently?\nbandit economy centered around mongol princes.\n>How did it not totally collapse?\nIt did. The Ilkhanate was a very unstable dynasty and fell within a century around 80 years. There were 9 Ilkhans within that time period. Yuan China also fell within a similar amount of time and was also terribly governed. The Ilkhanate and the Yuan Dynasty were the sedentary mongol khanates as well compared to the Chagatai and Golden Horde and even those didn't last that long as the Chagatai split up into two halves one more sedentary and one more steppelike. The Golden Horde horde was the most stable out of all them but it two slowly split into different hordes."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nthe Safavids couldn't fix the mess caused by the Altaics? the Safavid dynasty seems to have brought prosperity"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>the Safavids couldn't fix the mess caused by the Altaics? the Safavid dynasty seems to have brought prosperity\nthey did but there's only so much you can do if you have little to work with"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Steppeniggers steppenigging"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nHow worse did it get after Tamerlane invaded?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWell he killed tons of people but he hardly ruled. Basically killed any recovery that occurred and set it backwards"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI feel so bad for Iran now. God."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nnow you know why steppeniggers are hated in asia"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nYeah. When you take a look at the last 1000 years the safavids really stand out compared to the rest. I suppose the buyids and other intermezzo dynasties should count but they're more 900s dynasties. Its depressing af"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he actually thinks it's a desert"}, {"id": 26, "content": "Namak Lake\nKhara Salt Lake\nHaj Aligholi Salt Lake\nThree huge recently dried up lakes I found by just glancing at google maps."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nTechnically most of that land in the west wouldn't be inhabited without refrigerators and trains. The only reason people could settle there in the 19th century was because there were less mouths to feed in the low population density territories."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nYeah I can zoom into any random region and find\na) desert\nb) some desert farm that never would have existed there without modern irrigation"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>10\nWhy the fuck do people glamourize Mongol administration when you have shit like this and the incompetency in Yuan China? Seriously, the amount of people I've come across who've said shit like\n>muh multiculturalism\n>lenient governance\n>effective regional oversight\nCompletely gloss over the Mongol rape of the people and the land. Fuck Mongoloids."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nYuan China was well run."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>Yuan China was well run.\n>Neet emperors who didn't do shit and ignored competent advisors\n>Court intrigue fucking shit up\n>Race wars\n>1271-1368\nKWAB. Mongolboos are fucking insane."}, {"id": 32, "content": "Trick question. Nobody lives in the desert. Everyone lives on the mountains."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>Yuan China was well run\nKublai bankrupts state with failed campaigns\nCaste system with chinese at the bottom\nTried to solve their economic problems by printing money\nUsed foreign taxmen to fleece as much money from the populace\nFlip flop between pro mongol and pro sinicization policies with every new emperor"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPersia have massive underwater reserves that were used with this >>2 system. Indeed the creation of this sytems precede of mere centuries the rise of Persia as a power\n\nIn antiquity Persia used to be less harid tho. The gradual desertification of the MENA areas hit down there too. Also the multiple pastoral steppeningers marauders that destroyed farms and replaced them with pastures didnt help either"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt isn't that barren, several crops come from the area, like almonds, pistachios."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\n>>5\n>>10\n>>21\n>>29\n>>33\n>>31\nHow was the Mongol administration in Russia and Central Asia?"}, {"id": 37, "content": "This region has been inhabited since the neolithic. Lots of villages, proto-cities all over the place. And I'm sure Persians actually ruled from the fertile West."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>17\nThe Safavids were azeri turks whose power base lie with pastoral azeri qizilbashi tribes bludgeoning the population into submission. They weren't a civilized state."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nthe safavids were kurdish"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>19\nPersians are Arabs. Just Arabs who are ashamed of being Arab."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nEuropeans are Jews. Just Jews who are ashamed of being Jewish."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n100% right. If they accepted their Jewish heritage they could become rich overnight"}, {"id": 43, "content": "I was actually going to ask the same question, as I had been thinking about it recently, and was wondering if the real wealth of Persia had purely been out of Mesopotamia, but >>4 is pretty damning. I knew the qanats were widely used but didn't know just how necessary they were to Persian agriculture\nWhat source is that from?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbump"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nDamn you and go to hell."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">reading a paper about bronze age iran\n>comparison between Central Iran and South Turkmenistan\n\n>6000-4000 BC - small settlements in both\n>4000-2500 BC - bigger settlements 20-30 ha in both\n>2500-1700 - urbanization in Turkmenistan (BMAC), total collapse in Central Iran - no habitation - desert\n\nPretty crazy."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>38\nUrbanization resumed under their rule."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>43\n>What source is that from?\nThe cambridge history of iran"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>>4\nProof that you should resist steppe people until the very last gasp"}, {"id": 50, "content": "I wish I had R1a-Z93 and at least 30% Sintashta admixture."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>29\n>>31\nMongolboos are suprisingly absent ITT"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>38\n>The Safavids were azeri\nHAHAHA"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>36\n>How was the Mongol administration in Russia and Central Asia?\nIn Russia their time can be summed up as\n>collect tribute\n>if rus were late, did not pay, or did not pay enough attack them and ravage them into compliance\n\nIn Central Asia the main economy was selling defeated turkic tribes as slaves to the mamluks in Egypt. It was always a big part of the economy even before the mongols but under them there was an absute abundance of slaves in the markets"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>30\nIn comparison to their northern predecessors, yes. No one really expected Mongols to reach Song or even Tang levels of internal administration. What's important here however are the practices introduced into imperial China, the internal affairs of the Ming were so disastrous people have yet to figure out how exactly it endured for so long."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>In comparison to their northern predecessors, yes\nThe fuck? The Jin and Liao were far better run than Mongol China"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>the internal affairs of the Ming were so disastrous people have yet to figure out how exactly it endured for so long.\nYeah so disastrous that they lasted 3 centuries. Why are Mongol cocksuckers so delusional?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\nHow so?\n>>56\n>Yeah so disastrous that they lasted 3 centuries.\nYes, as I pointed out. That's indeed, by far, the most impressive thing about Ming internal administration.\n>Why are Mongol cocksuckers so delusional?\nSuch as the Ming founder? He readily adopted Yuan-style ruling instead of returning to a Song form of government."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>55\nIf not for Mongols Jin would most likely succeed at unifying China, Jurchens (Jianzhou ones) were dynamic and adaptable like Turks, it is no wonder Mongol states that lasted longest and most stable were Golden Horde and Chagatai"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>Mongol states that lasted longest and most stable were Golden Horde and Chagatai\nOnly the golden horde was stable for some time"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>Yes, as I pointed out. That's indeed, by far, the most impressive thing about Ming internal administration.\nAre you dumb. It contradicts your bullshit\n>He readily adopted Yuan-style ruling instead of returning to a Song form of government.\nNo he created a new system from scratch. Its literally one of the things he's most famous for"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nHe did not create a new system from scratch at all. The Hongwu emperor reworked the Mongol caste government into hereditary households which functioned in the exact same manner. His taxation amounted to the same sort of hands-off approach typical to nomadic rule, except that instead of selling the rights he left collection to prominent locals and the system immediately collapsed on top of itself as the peasants (unsurprisingly) cheated the government out of its own revenue. His granary system was also left to this bizarre autarky ideal and it faced severe shortages as the peasants again, unsurprising, cheated the government by keeping storage low. It took over a hundred years for Ming officials to finally be rid of this self-sufficiency stupidity as they finally began to lean into the sturdy Chinese internal economy as a matter of court policy.\n\nFurthermore, Hongwu's reign is the dawn of Chinese despotism. He completely destroyed the Chinese bureaucratic system for the sake of an autocracy that never worked, more so than being a despot in the Mongol way of castes, he introduced a secondary system of laws which applied to the emperor and the emperor only. In the process of destroying the ministries and leaving China entirely to the whims (and incompetence) of the emperor, he brought back to the court all of the issues which the Song had been rid of, namely constant plotting and backstabbings, eunuchs, bloody purges and an utter lack of loyalty, the most noted Ming loyalist was a literal pirate whose father had betrayed no one other than the emperor himself.\n\n>Its literally one of the things he's most famous for\nThe thing he's most famous for is his genocide of the Han Chinese. The Hongwu emperor killed more scholars and gentlemen than every single foreign emperor in the entirety of imperial history put together. The very first decades of the Ming were already worse for the officials than literally anything the Mongols ever did."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>He did not create a new system from scratch at all. The Hongwu emperor reworked the Mongol caste government into hereditary households which functioned in the exact same manner. His taxation amounted to the same sort of hands-off approach typical to nomadic rule, except that instead of selling the rights he left collection to prominent locals and the system immediately collapsed on top of itself as the peasants (unsurprisingly) cheated the government out of its own revenue. His granary system was also left to this bizarre autarky ideal and it faced severe shortages as the peasants again, unsurprising, cheated the government by keeping storage low. It took over a hundred years for Ming officials to finally be rid of this self-sufficiency stupidity as they finally began to lean into the sturdy Chinese internal economy as a matter of court policy.\n>Furthermore, Hongwu's reign is the dawn of Chinese despotism. He completely destroyed the Chinese bureaucratic system for the sake of an autocracy that never worked, more so than being a despot in the Mongol way of castes, he introduced a secondary system of laws which applied to the emperor and the emperor only. In the process of destroying the ministries and leaving China entirely to the whims (and incompetence) of the emperor, he brought back to the court all of the issues which the Song had been rid of, namely constant plotting and backstabbings, eunuchs, bloody purges and an utter lack of loyalty, the most noted Ming loyalist was a literal pirate whose father had betrayed no one other than the emperor himself.\nKek no. The Hongwu emperor created a series of small autonomous units throughout his whole empire. That was his main legacy."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>genocide of the Han Chinese\n>already worse for the officials than literally anything the Mongols ever did\nwho the fuck is talking about the officials you stupid mongol cuck. Even in your mongo paradise chinese could barely become officials"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>The Hongwu emperor reworked the Mongol caste government into hereditary households which functioned in the exact same manner. His taxation amounted to the same sort of hands-off approach typical to nomadic rule\nThere is no comparison here. Hongwu strengthened the peasantry and you disingenuously compare that to nomad rule. What a dumbass\n>Furthermore, Hongwu's reign is the dawn of Chinese despotism. He completely destroyed the Chinese bureaucratic system for the sake of an autocracy that never worked, more so than being a despot in the Mongol way of castes, he introduced a secondary system of laws which applied to the emperor and the emperor only. In the process of destroying the ministries\nHe didn't destroy it. He put himself above it to avoid government inaction and lethargy. dumbass\n>to the whims (and incompetence) of the emperors\nas opposed to the incompetence of the officials. Song China was notorious for officials constantly bungling and weak emperors."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\n>The thing he's most famous for is his genocide of the Han Chinese\nHongwu killed over 60 million Chinese in his campaigns?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nYes, that's what the word \"autarky\" means, as well as the term \"self-sufficiency\". A Chinese cobbler under the Yuan was a Chinese cobbler for life, and he paid taxes to a man that cheated the Mongols out of their revenue. A Chinese cobbler under the Hongwu emperor was a cobbler for life and he paid taxes to the local chief who cheated the Ming out of their revenue.\n\n>>64\nHe did not strengthen the peasantry at all, he tied them to outdated hereditary posts, an institution that would be ignored immediately upon Hongwu's death. The average Ming peasant was poorer than their Song counterpart despite the new commercial nature of the economy, even with the massive influx of trade and silver from Europe.\n\n>The volume of merchandise that the Chinese possess is not a sufficient argument to prove that they are very rich. Speaking in general, this is a people that, on the contrary, is extremely poor.\n\nFrom Adriano de Las Cortes, a Jesuit at the time, which stands in stark contrast to what was reported by the Koreans and Marco Polo. Even after the high period of the Qing the average peasant still enjoyed a relatively decent quality of life which was absent in the Ming.\n\nAnd while Song officials were indeed lethargic as far as foreign policies go, their internal policy was superb as is evident by the fact that Kaifeng remained the most prosperous city the world had seen until the Enlightenment.\n\n>>65\nNo, he slaughtered well over 50 thousand by himself. Far more impressive. Hongwu was so good at butchering Chinese that his purge was the most violent event of the century, worldwide.\n\n\nNow keep at it, Chang."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>so, Shah, how did you do it?\n>well, Iran things pretty well"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nKek"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>No, he slaughtered well over 50 thousand by himself. Far more impressive. Hongwu was so good at butchering Chinese that his purge was the most violent event of the century, worldwide.\nkek and the Mongols killed 60 million. You mongolboos are something special"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>31\n>>33\n>retarded seething\nExtremely low IQ sóy responses. They were a huge improvement over the preceding Chinese dynasties with massive gains in technology, economic output, and political stability. While Mongols might have mismanaged the Middle East, but the Mongols easily did a better job running China than the native Chinese did.\n\ncaptcha:jaksyh"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\n>technology, economic output, and political stability\nPeak shitposting\n>mismanaged\nThe words mongolboos use is hilarious"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">thread is about how Mongol rulership destroyed the Iranian agrarian system\n>somehow got to a tug-of-war between an admirer of sinophile Mongols that collapsed under its own schizo policies and an admirer of the contender for worst Chinese dynasty in History, including the interregnums\nback to the discussion at hand, brainlets\nWere there any regions that survived the destruction of the qanats? If so, were they massively involved in the Safavid restoration?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>>technology, economic output, and political stability\n>Peak shitposting\nConcession accepted.\n>The words mongolboos use is hilarious\nYou should try learning some."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>Concession accepted.\nFuck off retard. The Yuan dynasty was notorious for its economic unstability and political instability. Literally lasted less than 90 years"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>69\nNo, they never did, they killed swathes surely but 60 million is completely absurd. This number is based on the household census and doesn't account for the massive migration which closely follows steppe chimpouts. I'm not defending Mongols, I'm criticizing the Ming and the Yuan are source of brutality and despotism that plagued that dynasty. The Ming court grew under foreign rule and that's all they knew, from purges to tanistry.\n\n>Fang Xiaoru, the former tutor to the Jianwen Emperor: threatened with execution of all nine degrees of his kinship, he fatuously replied \"Never mind nine! Go with ten!\" and – alone in Chinese history – he was sentenced to execution of 10 degrees of kinship: along with his entire family, every former student or peer of Fang Xiaoru that the Yongle Emperor's agents could find was also killed.\n>872 other people were executed in the ordeal.\n\nThis sort of savagery had long been gone in the Song, you talked back to a bad-tempered emperor then and you ended in the frontier wrangling nomads, you talked back to a Ming emperor and a thousand members of your clan would be hunted down and cut to pieces. Eunuchs? Gone in the Song, back in the Ming. Deranged concubines? Rampant court murder? Completely untrustworthy, well, anyone? All came back with the Ming.\n\n>>72\nFine then. I'm done buying the chinkspammer his next round of dog soup anyways."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\n>the complete destruction of the economy and land is \"mismanagement\"\nYou think you're clever but you're not"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>No, they never did, they killed swathes surely but 60 million is completely absurd. This number is based on the household census and doesn't account for the massive migration which closely follows steppe chimpouts\n>No it wasnt exactly 60 million the census wasn't accurate\nJesus christ. Just stop it."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>72\n>worst Chinese dynasty\nLiterally the best dynasty in chinese history after the Han"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\n>Growing the economy 10 fold is \"compete destruction of the economy\"\nYou're too low IQ for this topic."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\n>Growing the economy 10 fold is \"compete destruction of the economy\"\nPrinting money isnt growing the economy"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nYuan China saw huge economic growth that China hadn't seen in centuries. Printing money had nothing to do with it."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>unknown\nWe can argue against it by pointing out Mongol China was better run than China run by the Chinese. You have no argument against the fact the Yuan Dynasty was the most stable period China saw in centuries and saw explosive economic growth China hadn't seen before under the superior leadership of the Mongols."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\n>Yuan China saw huge economic growth that China hadn't seen in centuries.\nThat's bullshit considering Song China was Imperial China's peak in terms of economy. You keep saying ecnomic output but dont go into detail. Kublai Khan was known to fund his failed campaigns by printing money. His sucessors had to deal with this and failed to do so.\n\n>Beacon of political stability\n>kublai khan 30 years\n>other 14 khans - 59 years\nWell considering this is political stabilty to you I'm not surprised at your definition growing the economy"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\n>You have no argument against the fact the Yuan Dynasty was the most stable period China saw in centuries and saw explosive economic growth China hadn't seen before under the superior leadership of the Mongols.\nLearn to bait properly. This is too obvious."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\n>explosive economic growth China hadn't seen\nYou're confusing the Yuan with the Song. Thats how retarded you are."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\n>That's bullshit considering Song China was Imperial China's peak in terms of economy.\nSong China was the lowpoint when Mongols came. Song China had already failed before the Mongols conquered them.\n>You keep saying ecnomic output but dont go into detail.\nI already did.\n>Kublai Khan was known to fund his failed campaigns by printing money\nMeme.\n>Well considering this is political stabilty to you\nYou don't know the definition of political stability nor could you spell it right.\n\n>>84\nIf it was bait you two retards would be able to come up with a single counterpoint but you can't."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nLow IQ cope."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>Song China was the lowpoint when Mongols came. Song China had already failed before the Mongols conquered them.\nNo it didnt. It was still the largest eco omy even after the Jin conquered the North\n>I already did\nYou didnt. You kept saying they were the best over and over again.\n>meme\nNot a proper response. You cant refute it so you try to dismiss it\n>You don't know the definition of political stability nor could you spell it right.\nA typo is your last stand? Either way you attempted to pass of a 90 year dynasty with 15 emperors as the most stable dynasty in chinese history. How retarded are you?\n>If it was bait you two retards would be able to come up with a single counterpoint but you can't\nAlready did."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nIs that it?"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\n>No it didnt. It was still the largest eco omy even after the Jin conquered the North\nNo it wasn't. They had already been defeated and their economy destroyed before the Mongols came and conquered the Song.\n>You didnt.\nI did. Mongol economy was an improvement over the Song they conquered.\n>Not a proper response.\nStrawman.\n>A typo is your last stand?\nNo ESL retard it's the fact you don't know what \"political stability\" means and got basics wrong like \"90 years\".\n>Already did.\nYou don't have a single one yet, retard."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmostly by conquering Iraq and extracting rents, akhi"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>26\nUrmia's next"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>90\n>No it wasn't. They had already been defeated and their economy destroyed before the Mongols came and conquered the Song.\nSouthern Song was rich. What a dumb contrarian.\n>Mongol economy was an improvement over the Song they conquered.\nExcept for the fact that it wasnt. It was regressive in every way\n>strawman\nNot a strawman and again not a response\n>No ESL retard it's the fact you don't know what \"political stability\" means and got basics wrong like \"90 years\".\nFine 89 years. Makes it slightly worse. Kek. Dumbass\n>You don't have a single one yet, retard.\nI had plenty. Your mongolboo ass just cant accept that you're simping over trash empires."}, {"id": 94, "content": "This isnt even a china thread. Some assblasted mongolboos just couldnt come up with a way to defend the ilkhanate."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>39\nthe Safavids were mutts. Azeris were and are Iranians who switched to Turkish. Old Azeri was an Irani language very distinct from Kurdish.\nNow, the House of Sasan might have been Kurdish in origin . . ."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>4\nHeavenly retribution for Manzikert."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\n>kurds and azeris we wuz fight\nLmao. Poor safavids watching from above having to watch two sets of idiots trying to we wuz as them"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\n>mongolboos\n\nTruly, John Green's fetishization of traditionally-understood-to-be-bad historical governments and its consequences have been a disaster for discussion about Asian history."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>4\n>>69\n>>unknown\n\nPathetic idiots believing an anonymous post without sources, lol."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n>Pathetic idiots believing an anonymous post without sources, lol.\nIts from volume 5 of the cambridge history of iran..."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\n60 million comes from Yuan census data. You can claim its not accurate (the plebs just ran away but please ignore why they were running away) but the picture it presents is grim. As for the length of the dynasty anyone can check it with a simple search."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>39\nKurdish/turkish mix, with cacausaus blood from Armenians and Georgians, as persian royals wanted to replace the t*rks with them. Safavids were based"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nUsually I would ask for pages, but good work quoting from a book that is likely behind a paywall.\n\n>>101\n\n> 60 million comes from Yuan census data.\n\nWhich primary source contain this? Did you get the 60 million decline from an estimate (estimate not census) from 1200 China?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_China\n\nIt seems that the the post Han period was worse (only 8,200,000 population left in census), while the fall of the Yuan killed almost as many in less than half of the period (estimate of 120,359,000 to 65,000,000 in 42 years)."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n>Usually I would ask for pages, but good work quoting from a book that is likely behind a paywall\nMoron. Its easily attainable.\n>Which primary source contain this?\nJurchen Jin and S.Song census data which we do have compared to Yuan census data. And it shows a massive decrease around half the population.\n\n>It seems that the the post Han period was worse (only 8,200,000 population left in census), while the fall of the Yuan killed almost as many in less than half of the period (estimate of 120,359,000 to 65,000,000 in 42 years).\nBoth were terrible time periods. You ignored the rise of Yuan which caused a similar decrease of around half. Ill ignore that. There's no point comparing the two since this is about how mongolboos claim the census data is wrong to begin with but ill play along.\n\nYou don't know how to count either. The fall of Han is a time period twice as big and 42 million vs 60 million in half the time by the Yuan. The Yuan dynasty was a larger empire as well including many regions previous chinese empires did not have. They did not have the same big populations as China proper but they had populations in the millions. The situation is very grim."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n>give me source\n>has a wikipedia article in his post\nCensus data in wikipedia is fine but still funny. Maybe you should have posted a study on chinese census data rather than just wikipedia. Makes you look like a fool."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\n> Moron. Its easily attainable.\n\nBecause it's so great to call other moron, while not providing a source if it's so easy to attain.\n\n> Jurchen Jin and S.Song census data which we do have compared to Yuan census data.\n\nWhere?\n\n> You don't know how to count either. The fall of Han is a time period twice as big\n\nNo, the population loss to the Mongol was from 1200 to 1290 (20 to 30 years of this include war between the Xia, Jin and Song themselves). The population loss of the end of the Han was from 156 to 280 (124 years) not nearly twice the Mongol conquest.\n\nWhat's the census source for year 200?\n\nThe fall of the Han even counting from a possible year 200 population was a bigger loss in term of proportion (likely more than 50% decline).\n\nThe An Lushan Rebellion cause a loss of 36.019.309 of census population in 9 years. Almost WW 1 level of death (20 million in 4 years vs 36 million in 9 years)\n\nThe fall of Yuan was 120 million minus millions in population outside China proper (maybe 10 millions) meaning its 110 million declining to 60 million still result in with 45 million population lost in 42 years in China proper and this was possibly measuring a population rise in the 32 years from the end of the Yuan. Measuring by census it was still around the level of decline similar to the Mongol conquest despite it being only a rebellion (29 million in 42 years)."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n>Because it's so great to call other moron, while not providing a source if it's so easy to attain. Imagine chimping out even after someone gives you a source.\nRetard doesnt know what libgen is.\n>No, the population loss to the Mongol...\nAgain whats the point. The original point you or anither dude made was that the census data was wrong..."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\n>despite it being only a rebellion\nWhy are you downplaying the fall of an empire? Its juet disingenous post after disingenous post."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\n>>108\nStill not a single source."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>75\n>No, they never did, they killed swathes surely but 60 million is completely absurd. This number is based on the household census and doesn't account for the massive migration which closely follows steppe chimpouts.\nHow do you go from this\nTo this>>106"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\nI gave you a source. Not my problem if you're too stupid to figure out how get it."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nDo you find this reliable?\n\nhttps://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E5%8F%A3%E5%8F%B2\n\n1274年1,967,898户\n\n1290年13,196,206户\n\nThat the number of households and therefore population of the Yuan increased more than 6 times in 16 years."}, {"id": 113, "content": "Can chinks stop ruining this thread? I came here for Iran"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>59\nVery ironic the golden horde was destroyed by their tax man."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo just for the record, the mongols sucked at managing settled states the few times they got a chance and they are mid at best rulers on the steppe, right?\n\nBtw question, how much did the mongols outsource management to local rulers (outside the golden horde where they had vassals I mean)"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nAlso why did the mongols invade SEA but not india."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>113\nYeah can’t they make a seperate thread to argue in?\n\nDespite it this is still one of the best threads I’ve seen on here in a while. Usually nowadays it’s just religious people or low effort /Pol/ type stuff. I’ve learnt a bit and am more interested in reading Iranian and Chinese history now (especially because I can’t figure out who is right about China lol, I don’t know anything about Chinese history)."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nI'm thinking of someday starting an effort post thread about hawaii onceIget around to reading about it."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\nI’d be interested. Been reading a book on the Romanoffs and was thinking of making a thread about Peter the Great to get some more opinions on him. I was surprised by how much I was actually disgusted by his behaviour since usually I don’t get personally invested/judgmental with historical figures."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>116\nThey did invade india"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>39\n>>52\n>>95\n>>102\nSafavid order was founded by a Kurd and Ismail descends from him, Ismail was also a huge mutt this doesnt change the fact native Iranians were beaten,humiliated and tortured to curse umayyads every prayer by a Shia fundemantalist Turkoman stratocracy. Persians have to claim Safavids if not their whole Shiite the big other identity to Arabs collapses,"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nIran was already shia dumbass"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nthey were a minority, last time iran was ruled by shias were 500 years ago before qizilbash bvlls came in, another fun fact during safavid rule afshars, xhalaj and other turkic tribes and iran werent subjected to same forced conversions as native iranians."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\n>both Arabs and Turks ended up adopting Persian culture\n>intellectuals were mostly ethnic Persians\nI don't see any humiliation"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\n>both Arabs and Turks ended up adopting Persian culture\n(((Turko-Persian))) was the culture adopted by Turkic dynasties across middle east already\n>intellectuals were mostly ethnic Persians\nThis was true in every single Turkic dynasty in Iran, thats just Islam. Humiliation comes from forced conversions, destruction of mosques, desecration of iranian sunni/sufi leaders graves, exile and execution of sunni iranian, removing previous iranian governors and rulers throughout iran to replace them with imported arab shia religious leaders and turkoman militants."}, {"id": 126, "content": "Safavid rule and its consequences have been a disaster for Iran, Azerbaijanis dont have what it takes to rule. After Sassanid fall and Mongol destruction greatest falling of Iran is Shia conversion, if only Nader was succesful in reconciliation between him,Mughals and Ottomans. Iran wouldnt be a Shia kleptocracy shithole that people want to escape from."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>99\n>>103\n>>104\n\nHello friends, I managed to find the same data from another book, this page precisely;\n\nhttps://books.google.hr/books?id=mPcnCnCNNF8C&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=700,000+kharvars+300,000+kharvars+42,000+kharvars&source=bl&ots=igYlNoHFey&sig=ACfU3U02k2El6oJfw12yVm69vxVQa8b3fQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwik6oSW8Nv-AhUZ7LsIHUomBg8Q6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=700%2C000%20kharvars%20300%2C000%20kharvars%2042%2C000%20kharvars&f=false\n\n\nwelcome no problem"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are sand Indians"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>125\nI see more humiliation with the destruction of the zoroastrian temples and still the persian culture managed to survive\n>destruction of mosques\nCyrus the Great's tomb is safe as are other Achaemenid ruins in Fars\n>>126\nFor me the greatest tragedy of modern Iran is not remembering its pre-Islamic identity."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nBoth Persia's pre-Islamic and post-Islamic identities are trash. The Bactrians and Sogdians always had a richer culture.\nCyrus the Moron also created the second biggest mistake in the entire history of mankind: freeing (((them))).\nSometimes I just want slaughter all of my own people.\n>little to no R1a-Z93\n>negligible steppe admixture\n>accursed Neolithic Levantine farmer admixture\n>ugly phenotypes and excessively hairy\n>taroof & shallowness\n>lack of ethnocentrism\n>terrible familial dynamics\n>ecologically ruined landscape\nI must have been done something in a bad past life to be born during both this wretched time period (Kali Yuga) and spiritually defeated cucked race of secret Jew lovers."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\n>excessively hairy\nhis mistake was mixing with the subhuman dravidians\n>ugly phenotypes\nsome Persians have light eyes and Indo-European features"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>123\n>they were a minority\nAccording to whatever you pulled out of your ass. The sheer quantity of shia sects, shia dynasties, and shia cities paints a different picture. Safavids literally abandoned their own brand of shi'ism for the one present in Iran."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>126\nSeethe and cope. Shi'ism has the best thing Iran has produced"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">multiple shia sects and movements throughout iranian history\n>northern Iranian being shi'ite centuries before the safavid\n>existence of the buyids\n>After the fall of the buyids the ismailis would start an anti turk, anti sunni insurgency lasting for centuries\n>Tons of cities were known to be majority shi'ite with sunni travelers like ibn battuta complaining about the rafida they came across\n>after the ilkhanate fell a popular rebellion brought the shia sarbadars to power in Khorasan and they killed the ilkhanate governor\n>Sunni rulers appealing to the shia population in iran when they faced crisis such as Husayn Bayqara of the Timurids when his kingdom was being threatened by the Uzbeks\n>Twelver Shi'ism was created under the auspices of the Buyids by Persian shia scholars supported\n>All core writings of the sect were done by Persians\n>All the Northern dynasties followed Twelver Shi'ism.\n>Ismail and the Safavids were heterodox shia\n>After his father and brother were killed Ismail grew up among the northern dynasties who were twelvers\n>When Ismail rises to power he makes the decision to abandon safavid shi'ism for twelver shi'ism a move completely out of left field\nSunnis need to do better. Repeating Iran was Sunni doesnt make it true."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>126\n>Safavid rule and its consequences have been a disaster for Iran,\nLiterally the only reason Iran is a thing dumbass"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\nnone of these changes the fact iran was majority sunni up until safavids."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>132\nyou keep coping for some reason, i specifically mentioned existence of buyids because that was the only time they might have been more shias than sunnis (zoroastrians were still a plurality then) ever since seljuqs iran has been overwhelmingly sunni. POST 1 source that states iran was more shia you cant."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>120\nWhere."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>130\nJesus christ anon calm the self hatred down. Did the nordic posters really get to you that bad?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\nI posted evidence. You didnt. You just repeat te same statements\n>seljuks\nKek a foreign conquest dynasty. One that resulted in a shia insurgency popular among natives. One that legitimized itself by targeting shias. You literally have the last timurid emir of any note casting shia coins to appeal to his iranian population and yet somehow retards like you exist. He stopped because he met opposition in Herat his main power base. This is literally before the safavids. I already posted the evidence. You can keep crying about it."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\n>specifically mentioned existence of buyids\nLmao a few months ago you idiots claimed Iran had no shias until the safavids. Its only after pushback that you and others admitted that your previous claims were bs. There's tons more evisence of shia after the buyids.\n>ever since seljuqs iran has been overwhelmingly sunni\nKeep telling yourself that"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">As far away as Kollam, the trading port in Kerala, Ibn Battuta, who had described the population of Aveh as rawāfid (Rihlat Ibn Battuta, 196), came across a wealthy and evidently influential merchant, a certain ʿAlāʾ al-Din Āvaji; the Moroccan traveler was struck by the overt display, on the part of the mer-chant and his companions, of their Shiʿi beliefs (huwa rāfidi wa-maʿahu ashāb lahu ʿalā madhhabihi wa-hum yuzhiruna dhālika) (Rihlat Ibn Battuta, 575). Ibn Battuta avers further that in Aveh, as well as in Mashhad-e Husayn, Hilla, Bahrayn, Qumm, Kashan, Saveh and Tus, the visitor who expressed a diver-gent position from that held by the local (Shiʿi) inhabitants risked his life, owing to the extremity of the people’s confessional engagement (he describes them as rāfida ghāliya) (Rihlat Ibn Battuta, 203)\nIsmail the time traveller converting these good old sunni boys centuries before his birth."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>137\n>ever since seljuqs iran has been overwhelmingly sunni\nWhere are your sources? All you do is make claims and statements while asking for sources. Are you going to quote from historians who lazily write of shi'ism before the safavids as Sunnis with shia tendencies, moderate shi'ism acceptable to sunnis (fucking lmao), and the other bizarre copes."}, {"id": 144, "content": "suddenly quiet"}, {"id": 145, "content": "Why do Ossetians speak an Eastern Iranian language if they're on the West side of Iran?"}, {"id": 146, "content": "so your evidence for Iran being majority shia is Qom which was always a shia stronghold and Masshad a city named after 8th Imam during Sunni rule.\n>Lmao a few months ago you idiots claimed Iran had no shias until the safavids.\nstrawman this is my first time posting about this\npic is Islam and Iran: A Historical Study of Mutual Services written by Morteza Motahhari Head of Council of the Islamic Revolution directly appointed by Khomeini fucking people appointed by khomeini agree iran was majority sunni before safavids but for some reason you guys are buttblasted at the notion you got forcibly converted, newflash there are more important changes that happened to \"persian\" people than sunni>shia switch kek."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>126\nbut nader was azeri too...\n\nevery ruler of iran since ismail has been azeri. even the fucking ayatollahs\n>>39\ncope"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>130\n>little to no R1a-Z93\nAnd that’s a good thing"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>131\n>eye contacts\n>nose job\n>hair dye"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>146\n>so your evidence for Iran being majority shia is Qom which was always a shia stronghold and Masshad a city named after 8th Imam during Sunni rule.\nJust gonna ignore the other cities mentioned. Either way I presented a direct primary source of a sunni seething at shias in Iran. And still comes another slight admission from you about shi'ism in iran even if it's a disingenous admission.\n>strawman\nNot a strawman look the archives I know who you people are.\n>Islam and Iran: A Historical Study of Mutual Services written by Morteza Motahhari Head of Council of the Islamic Revolution directly appointed by Khomeini fucking people appointed by khomeini agree iran was majority sunni before safavids but for some reason you guys are buttblasted at the notion you got forcibly converted, newflash there are more important changes that happened to \"persian\" people than sunni>shia switch kek.\nSo? Khomeini isnt an authority on the state of shi'ism. Just because he said something doesnt make it true. I literally posted tons of evidence and you think a limp wristed response like b-but khomeini is going to work. Again ignore all the evidence.\n>caspian dynasties are all twelver shia centuries before the safavids\n>shia movements like the sardabars and hurufis, etc all originate in Iran\n>sardabars are a foreshadowing of the safavids with a group of sufis rebelling with popular support against an ilkhanate governor.\n>seljuks conquer Iran and the nizari ismailis immediately start an insurgency\n>buyids\n>Alid Shrines continue to gain prominence\n>sunni travel literature complaining about rafida (twelvers)\n>a literal sunni amir Husayn Bayqara appeals to shia in iran until shut down by his advisors who are horrified by his actions\n>Safavid Shi'ism is not twelver shi'ism\n>Ismail is orphaned and is raised by twelver shi'ites in Iran\n>Ismail comes to power and declares twelver shi'ism to be the religion of Iran."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReally makes you wonder"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>146\nHow does this refute the shia dynasties, movements, cities, and people. I dont think there's anything as damning as a sunni minting coins with the twelver imams names on the.when facing an external crisis. The inference is an obvious one. Iranians were shia"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>146\nTwelver Shia hadith collectors, theologians, philosophers in its earliest era were all persian too. The sect was literally created by persians. Your screenshot is laughable. Doesnt matter if khomeini was responsible."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namericans have no conception geography, its baffling\nI don't know why in american its so much more prevalent than anywhere else\n90% of american, without hyperbole, have a 6 year olds understanding of the climates and geography of the world\ni need to make a separate thread about this later but for now ill leave this in this 200 reply bait question thread where anon who probably has never been outside of ohio\n>called iran a barren desert"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni al-Razi\n>Muhammad ibn Babawayh\n>Shaykh Muhammad Tusi\nFoundational figures of twelver shi'ism all persians. The Persian Nawbakthi family were major figures in both imami and twelver shi'ism.\n>the people of iran influenced by this evil practice\nIs that why the Abbasids used the kaysanite shia in Iran to rebel agaimst the umayyads? Nice source. The Abbasids literally claimed to be shia imams who inherited the imamate from abu hashim a grandson of Ali."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>154\nGeography isn't taught in American schools."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>131\nThe light features do not come from the Indo-Europeans in this case. Most likely it derives from Gutians or something. Light features are prevalent on my father's side, but we have low steppe admixture.\n>>139\nThey turned out to be *largely right* though unlike the Afrocentrists.\nI would have at least liked R1a-Z93."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>154\nYo cracka ass ain't even finna name every country dats in Africa"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nI cannot name every country but I can name most."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>154\n>americans have no conception geography\nmost have no concept of time either"}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>50\n>>130\n>>157\nwhy do you even want to be be r1a? all the z93 iranians have agreed that theyre too fucking wild and savage and so keep murdering each other to allow the human non r1as to leave in peace"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>147\n>Firuz-Shah Zarrin-Kolah was a Kurdish and the seventh in the ancestral line of Shaykh Safi Ardabili, the eponym of the Safavid dynasty of Iran.\n>In the pre-Safavid written work Safvat as-safa (oldest known extant manuscripts from 1485 and 1491), the origin of the Safavids is traced to Firuz Shah Zarin Kolah who is called a Kurd (from Sanjār), while in the post-Safavid manuscripts, this portion \"Kurd from Sanjar\""}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\n>Firuz-Shah Zarrin-Kolah was a Kurdish and the seventh in the ancestral line of Shaykh Safi Ardabili, the eponym of the Safavid dynasty of Iran.\n>>In the pre-Safavid written work Safvat as-safa (oldest known extant manuscripts from 1485 and 1491), the origin of the Safavids is traced to Firuz Shah Zarin Kolah who is called a Kurd (from Sanjār), while in the post-Safavid manuscripts, this portion \"Kurd from Sanjar\"\nThere are multiple geneologies. The one with Sayyid ancestry was decades before Ismail was even born. The key takeway is that kurds are the biggest larpers in\nMENA"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>162\nhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/23033219\nA geneological chart that casts doubt on the kurd narrative. Kurds are jist loud voices."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>147\n>but nader was azeri too...\nembarassing"}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>149\n>eye contacts\nsome persians have light eyes indoeuropean or kipchak genetics i guess"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>164\nSo the safavid lineage is vague and not as certain as kurds claim."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Yes, Abraham's God."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Except the Christian god will send all muslims to hell for eternal torture"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I have not seen a good argument on either side of this debate. I think it's an irresolvable question."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Essentially? Yes. Hindus too."}, {"id": 5, "content": "They definitely worship the same thing, which is nothing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>Christians believe Muslims will be tortured forever\n>Muslims believe Christians will be tortured forever\n>Jews believe Jesus is in a boiling pot of shit forever\nIt really do be like that"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nHindus don't worship Yahweh the Asura"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI think it would be compatible with Brahmanism"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The character of the deity in each case is different enough that it should be 'no'"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nMuslims believe all monotheists go to heaven"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes, but some of them worship others besides God."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nJews used to worship Yahweh, the creator of the universe. Nowadays they tend to be atheists who worship money and communism instead.\nChristians (this excludes JW's and Mormons) worship Yahweh and his alter-ego Yehoshua\nMuslims worship Muhammad, a guy who claimed to be inspired by Yahweh but then made a bunch of shit up to give justification to his being an autistic neet pedo who gets to kill everyone he doesn't like like a game of Calvinball\n\nTheoretically, all of these religions are supposed to worship the same deity, but only Christians ever actually do it, and even then you'll find too many of them are fucking around. Arguably, beliefs typically labelled as \"pagan\" (Hinduism, traditional Chinese religion, traditional African religion, Native American religion) are more likely to worship something akin to Yahweh, a supreme creator God responsible for creating the universe than the average modern-day Jew or Muslim"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nChristians believe in the Trinity and the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ.\nJews used to believe in the two powers of heaven, but most don't anymore. Judaism states that there hasn't been a Christ yet, and Jesus is burning in excrement.\nMuslims used to believe that Allah was the father of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat (look up satanic verses). The Islamic allah has more in common with the Judeo-Christian portrayal of the devil as allah is referred as the greatest of deceivers. Their view of Christ is more closer to the gnostic tradition than the other two.\n\nRoman Catholics do cognize Muslims as theological cousins as Vatican two affirms, but Christians know better than that."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThey also believe that they're the only acceptable monotheists."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nit makes sense because Gnostics fled to Arabia Deserta following their proscription by every authority in the ERE"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNot really\n\nNot even christians worship the same God\n\nGod is something no human being can truly comprehend fully\n\nSo variations in perspective exist, the closet thing there is to God is infinite love\n\n>BUT EMOTIONS ARE JUST CRAPPY HORMONES INSIDE THE HUMAN BRAIN\n\nNo, not really, love produce these hormones not the other way around"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nThe only decent answer in this thread."}, {"id": 18, "content": "Consciousness in fact is not born inside the brain\n\nThe brain is just like a receptor and a transmiter\n\nThis whole universe could be made out of consciousness\n\n>but how is that possible\n\nWhat do you think this universe is, like what exactly do you think this universe is\n\nTherefore eternal life is possible, your consciousness doesnt end when you die lol"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>>4\n>>6\n>>10\nNay, four Gods exist."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nWhat about unitarian Christians? And what's even plausibly polytheistic about Judaism?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Unitarian\n>Christian"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\na \"unitarian christian\" is as big an oxymoron as \"atheist christian\""}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>>22\nThey consider themselves Christians."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>>3\n>>17\n>>21\nfear the creator gods. beginning of wisdom."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>The fear of the LORDS is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHindus\nJews\nChristians\nIslamics"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nand trannies consider themselves women, it doesn't make it so"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>6\n>>Jews believe Jesus is in a boiling pot of shit forever\nBased jews"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\n>>24\nmy gods"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nEssentially all monotheists believe in the same God.\nThat is; if two people believe there is one omnipotent being, and (therefore) there cannot be another such being, they believe in the same being.\nIt doesn't really matter if they have different names. (Especially considering God doesn't have a name either way.)\n>>28\nSpecifically feces, as others are in a boiling pot of semen."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYe"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>10\nLol Muslims believe Jews and Christians will go to hell to pay for the sins of Muslims"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nEveryone tries to reach the same God, some are closer some are very far away.\nEven atheists do so, an atheist still yearns for truth and wisdom.\nTherefore it is obscure to argue if a Christian, Jew or a Mohamedan actually wants to serve same God, because everyone actually wants to reach Him"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nOf course not. Their Gods all have different opinions."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nA human's conclusion on what God's opinion is doesnt define the God, kek\n\nIts the same God, only one has to figure out whose narrative is correct."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nNot in the Quran and contradicts it."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nyes"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo, Jews worship the God of Israel and Muslims and Christians worship the adversary, Satan. And when the Messiah comes he will crush them and destroy Edom completely."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nExplain Sabbatai Zevi then. Self-proclaimed Messiah of Jews. They believed in redemption through sin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "anal is immoral"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\nDon't all faggots do anal?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i refuse to believe fecal incontinence is an untreatable symptom of anal sex"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNo."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThe treatment is the diapers"}, {"id": 6, "content": "homosexuality is perhaps the most moral"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nAs far as I know it isn't."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1\nWhy?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "Homosexuality is born out of hormonal disorder\n\nAnd things learned during childhood aka rape\n\nSo is an illness immoral?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nHaving an illness isn't immoral, but it is immoral to pretend that an illness is not an illness"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nDo you have any evidence for this claim?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nit's basically a big nothingburger that doesn't happen unless you take a monster dragon dildo every day"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nExactly my dude\n\n>>11\nOf course retard look for the relation between child hormonal disorder and increased chances of that person becoming an homosexual/tranny in the future"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nIf you need to be told why, you won't get it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134495/\n\nMan why wont our trusty experts shed light upon this evidence?\n\nCrazy right, as if bias, corruption and irrationality exists eveywhere inside our academy and goverment and education\n\nCrazy who would have thought no?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nthere's no fucking way this is true"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWhat, you thought homosexuals are just perfectly normal sane people like they present them in your netflix series?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEcaEEdOxoY [Embed]\nKill yourself blaspheming demons. Into the demons in all original Doom (1993) and/or ports of it so you can be annihilated properly."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nCaptain Planet and He-Man was always too effeminate and later filled with fucking gay cringe memes on the internet."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nDepends on context."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIt's gay"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes, see Leviticus 18:22."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nI'm a bisexual man. I like twinks but I'm disgusted by anal sex. Gay men who don't do it are called sides."}, {"id": 24, "content": "I'm also bisexual and never had sex with men.\nI find men as attractive as women with regards to the face, but can't justify fucking one in the ass."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The magazine \"American Catholic\" published an icon of St. Augustine, who was depicted as dark-skinned.\n\nAn American Catholic magazine published an article stating that Blessed Augustine was an African. The material was illustrated with an icon on which the saint is depicted as dark-skinned.\n\nThe article says that it is important for the Catholic Church to have an African as one of its greatest writers and thinkers.\n\n\"For generations, Africa has been continually deprived of its greatest treasure – its people – by the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade, while the continent's natural resources have been confiscated or destroyed by colonial Powers. Nevertheless, throughout that time and to this day, the Church and scholars-theologians, philosophers and literary critics alike considered the works of St. Augustine the African one of the greatest works ever created. To reconcile these two factors, St. Augustine's African identity had to be suppressed by racially coding him as white. Now we are experiencing a moment when we can reckon with this long–standing dissonance and abandon this coding,\" the journal notes.\n\n\"By portraying St. Augustine as a black man, we take out of focus the theory of the superiority of the white race and proclaim that it is high time for the church, science and people to recognize the intellectual and cultural gifts with which Africa has enriched the world,\" Catholic journalists add.\n\nhttps://uscatholic.org/articles/202304/augustines-african-heritage-matters/"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Augustine was born in 354 in the municipium of Thagaste (now Souk Ahras, Algeria) in the Roman province of Numidia\n>Algeria\nThese people don't look exactly black to me. What happened?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nFirst Cleopatra, now Augustine. Med and brown bros always suffer at the altar of propping up blacks. Not whites."}, {"id": 4, "content": "lmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone notice that Africans don't do this shit? And I don't mean just northern Africans"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nduh, africans have their own figures to honour"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nWhy don't African-Americans honour them instead of blackwashing?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey have no history because it was stolen from them, so in turn they steal from others"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nBut they do have history-those figures that was previously mentioned."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>American Catholic\nAs much of an oxymoron as \"American Jew\" or \"American Atheist\" or \"African American\" or whatever else."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nWhat exactly has Africa given the world again? Excluding white south africans and AIDS of course."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis betrays the extreme Americanism on display here."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "roperbros...."}, {"id": 2, "content": "thought this was townsends at first glance."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHoly based, chudcels btfo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat's the context of this? Why did he feel the need to make a video about that?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>its real\n\nlol,\nlmao even"}, {"id": 6, "content": "41% of Ropercels get the rope."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe cute"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nand why exactly did he think anybody wanted that clarified?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">complains about drag queens\n>doesn't acknowledge that drag queens were a part of history"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho is that."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nHe makes videos on English and Anglo-Saxon but somehow has been unable to actually learn Anglo-Saxon"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nrent free"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat video seems appropriate since most of his viewers are probably tradtard reactionary larpers. And he's educated and intelligent so he obviously despises them."}, {"id": 15, "content": "poor anglos, forced to explicitly pay their allegiance and respects to the latest version of corporate religious dogmas\nthey used to rule the seas you know"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor what purpose?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>educated and intelligent\nHe's spent years studying Anglo-Saxon and the one time he went to properly use it he constantly made grammatical errors."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>bioleninist cattle pulling the \"educated and intelligent\"™ card\nyou deformed freakshows will never not be hilarious"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nAccording to trans activists the UK is literally genociding trans people because you have to be diagnosed with gender disphoria to legally change your gender."}, {"id": 20, "content": "I liked it when he made a video with some other person about black dialects in the US and loads of the viewers started bitching about it."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>diagnosed with gender disphoria\nIs that actually difficult?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>roper\nit all makes sense now"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nNot at all, which makes the accusations of transphobia ridiculous."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nRoper? I hardly knew 'er!"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nYou are very genetically superior for never being able to read or do math that well."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Everybody who disagrees with trannyism must be an American Trump supporter\n???"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\ntranser har en mental lidelse og det er den ENESTE mentale lidelsen hvor \"behandlingen\" er å late som at psykosen deres er virkelig."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>10\n>IT'S FRAU"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>unknown\nJesus Christ. Reading this makes me nauseous."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nthankfully I'm not an amerimutt so I can see the sort of corporate flavor of the month ideology halfwit cattle like you mutters for what it is\nyou are not cultured, you are well herded"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>14\nThe product of an educated society."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nMeds."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>25\nBVLL energy"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\n>men men transer!\nOk? Sinna dverghjerne tapere fra /pol/ som prøver å kompensere med å kalle objektivt overlegne folk meme-ord er fortsatt patetiske."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>unknown\n>Says puberty blockers aren't versible\n>Goes on to state that they never got normal testosterone treatment and instead got estrogen\n>Upset because she wants a vaginoplasty\nThis isn't proving what you think it does. If you take test after then it is reversible"}, {"id": 36, "content": "who gives a shit? live and let live\nyou people are such repressed faggots it's unreal"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">who gives a shit? live and let live\n>you people are such repressed faggots it's unreal"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nEven if you support trannies, what is the point of making a completely irrelevant video talking about how much you love trannies on a Youtube history channel? It just comes across as weird and obsessed."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnglo without religion is like a dog without a leash, but instead of biting people, it starts mutilating itself and calling itself a girl.."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>19\nAmazing how the UK consistently manages to evoke the wrath of the Far Right AND Far Left over the most meaningless things lmao\n>Aaaaaaaa trans genocide because medical experts are needed to confirm a surgical procedure AAAA!!!"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>10\ncrossdressing was a joke that both german and allied soldiers did.\nit was like blackface"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">who gives a shit? live and let live"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\n>Amazing how the UK consistently manages to evoke the wrath of the Far Right AND Far Left over the most meaningless things lmao"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nWhich is what the screeching lefties today pretend isn't the case, which is hilarious. They disingenuously take what was formerly an open exaggerated and comedic mockery of femininity and say \"LOOK YOU LIKED IT BEFORE!!\"\n\nSame time period when the man of the house was slapping around his kitchen-oriented wife, of course. But they turn a blind eye to that widespread reality when it's convenient for them."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe absolute state of bongs"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\n>>44\nIn a hundred years when whites are extinct and some cultureless quadroon is having an identity crisis, he will pull up an old pic of a blackfaced fag and claim that trans racialism has a historical precedent"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>an old pic of a blackfaced fag"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>unknown\nCringe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Genetically speaking, are Western Slavs (Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia) purely Slavs or are they mixed with their non-Slavic Western neighbours?\nI.e. do Czechs have some Germanic/Celtic admixture from Germans or did the language barrier prevent the people from mixing significantly?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCzechs are mostly Celtic, Slovaks are heavily mixed with Vlachs and Poles are jewish mischlings."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>mixed slavs\nyou dumbfuck nigger, \"slavs\" are only a language group, not ethnic"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe're slavic/germanic/celtic mutts.\nt. czech"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThis is true, wish people just said Eastern Europeans (what they really mean) instead of Slavs"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavs are originally from the Pripyat marshes in Ukraine."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwwXJ8u7eTM [Embed]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nNo."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMixed. The same is true in the border areas in Europe. It isn't that difficult to learn a new language and if you go back far enough even languages that are quite different now may have had a fair degree of mutual intelligibility."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPoles are mixed with Ukrainians and Russians more than anything else"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n*and Lithuanians"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIn your dreams judaczek"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhatever they are, they aren't German. The Poles that mixed with Germans were deported to Germany by Communists"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So what would Scandinavia be like if they remained pagan?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust like now just atheists\nMaybe bit more like the balts"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey'd still be white"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey wouldn't have had kingdoms that rivaled their larger neighbors. Or ANY impressive cultural contributions, like Keirkegaard or Grieg.\n>>3\nHave kids, loser. It isn't rocket science."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot much different beyond himmler soifacing at the Scandinavians even harder and endless waves of tradheathens yelling at the tradclaths for not being racist enough"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>implying anon's beaner ass would help anything"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImpossible because this would require Scandinavia to be able to fend off/ work with England, Germany, France, Holland, Russia during the Middle Ages while being pagan."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey'd be living in mud huts still and would never have cooperated with eachother, let alone the rest of europe"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\n>Have kids, loser. It isn't rocket science.\nJust delay the inevitable, goy"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nYeah it would take a massive confederation of pagan countries to fend off crusades and I don't think the pagans liked each other all that much. I think to make this work it would require the pagans forming some sort of interconnected religious identity early on, probably before the franks went Christian. Very unlikely but it sure sounds like a kino alternative history."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligiously? They'd probably have something similar to modern Japan, where people are more casual about religious belief. Ignore all the christian chauvinists in this thread arguing that they wouldn't have achieved anything significant as pagans, they were already formidable shipwrights, explorers and capable of punching above their weight in wars."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I have a question that I've been waiting to ask but didn't think it was worthy of its own thread.\n\nIn ck3 there's a mechanic where you can write religious protections into your vassal contract. Is that a real thing? If I'm, say, a pagan ruler on the northern coast of what is now germany, could I request to be a vassal of the holy roman emperor while maintaining my religion or is being christian a necessary part of the deal?\n\nSorry for being a /v/poster."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nThanks for writing this exact post for me so I didn't have to"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWhy the fuck would you ever hang out in the most depressing abyss on the entire website? Go back to that shithole, we don’t want you here."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nwhy do you choose to be mean?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nHonestly /v/ probably talks about their actual board topic far more than any of the other high activity blueboards"}, {"id": 17, "content": "imagine Baltics but in Scandinavia"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nOn the topic of ck3, pagan religions need to be reformed if they have any chance of survival. I wonder what a nose pagan version of someone like Zoroaster would be like and how much of a difference it would make."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nThey don’t talk about games, they talk about game drama. /tv/ is off topic half the time but at least the threads are civil and fun."}, {"id": 20, "content": "It Would Be A Dream"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nelaboration to my topic:\nBaltics are the last people to comvert to Christianity and this caused them to be isolated fromr est of Europe which enabled Polish and Russians to bully them into oblivion and finally Russians subjugated them until 90s.\nScandinavia eithout Christianity means it will stay isolated: no continental tech, no trade, stay tribal and no one literally cares. Russia, Poland and/or HRE would eventually expand and conquer these lands. Just like in Baltics, Protestants would use the pagan beliefs of Scandinavians as en excuse to make fun off them and a propaganda material against Catholics and Orthodox.\nLarge amount of Scandinavia would be under Soviet rule, they will het independent in 1991. Modern day Scandinavia would end up being a post-Soviet depressing country."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nWhy would you think that ?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>pagan Scandinavia\n>posts Catholic German wank building"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nIt's why Indian, Chinese and Japanese folk religions survived Christianity and Islam better than other folk religions, they had writings explaining the beliefs, philosophies and rituals. They had bureaucratic institutions capable of resisting change. The Celtic, Germanic/Norse and Baltics had no such institutions, they had a rudimentary writing system but never had a reformed religious system. Compare Northern folk religions to Greco-Roman paganism, emperors like Julian and even after, were forced to repeatedly make laws against practicing paganism. It has writings, official temples supported by the state, and was protected by the Senate even after it was banned."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Julian\nTypo, I meant Justinian."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if they remained pagan\nimplying they didnt?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nNormal scandis were really disturbed and shocked by this btw. None of the losers who did it were pagan either, just rich kids looking to rebel. Should’ve gone abroad for a year in Brazil or something instead of doing a some death metal larp"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot cucked"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>18\nLook up Pletho."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>\"We are Hellenes by race and culture\"\nWhy do modern people claim that nobody had a concept of race back then?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFunnily enough they’d probably be less romanticizing of the Norse and Vikings especially in Germany who’d make up the majority of any crusading force against them. Chances are the nazis would go so far as to claim that Scandinavia remaining pagan was actually a Jewish plot and that Christianity was actually the TRUE aryan religion"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>unknown\nKek"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\nI'm having trouble finding information about him. I can't seem to find out if there was an actual continuation of pagan beliefs with him or if he was just a late medieval neo-pagan."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>18\nRealistically I think the best shot for a “reformed” Norse religion is a combination of developing a strong literary tradition(they'd just have to use paper for that) as well as a sort of “Viking Charlemagne” to conqueror most of Scandinavia for a time and centralize the faith to secure his power. Creating both a shared Scandinavian identity and a strong priestly class who’d actively oppose Christianity."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>17\n>>21\nUGH"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nClovis could have done that or at least have laid the foundation for that if he hadn't converted."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey wouldnt be cucks being killed off by arabs"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>33\nHe was the one who rehabilitated Plato during the era of the Scholastics. His pagan beliefs were likely in tune with the Socratic idea of the noble lie from the Republic ie he saw it as necessary to unite the Hellens."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\n>actual continuation of pagan beliefs\n>centuries after the final hellenic holdouts in the mani peninsula have been been converted to orthodoxy\nCome on anon"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nThere is roughly a zero percent chance Gemistos Plethon was an actual Paganist. He was however a Neoplatonist and probably believed in the Forms."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nHis neoplatonist LARP included retvrning to the hellenic religion\n>I myself heard him at Florence ... asserting that in a few more years the whole world would accept one and the same religion with one mind, one intelligence, one teaching. And when I asked him \"Christ’s or Muhammad’s?,\" he said, \"Neither; but it will not differ much from paganism.\" I was so shocked by these words that I hated him ever after and feared him like a poisonous viper, and I could no longer bear to see or hear him. I heard, too, from a number of Greeks who escaped here from the Peloponnese that he openly said before he died ... that not many years after his death Muhammad and Christ would collapse and the true truth would shine through every region of the globe.\n>Plethon's apparent concern in De differentiis for Christian beliefs and dogma was belied by a still more controversial work, the Nomoi, which advocated a return to a polytheistic religion. Here Plethon described a Neoplatonic hierarchy of gods to whom he gave the names of the pagan pantheon. He included the text of prayers to these gods and set out the manner in which their worship should be conducted."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nYes, see my comment above. He liked the greek religion because of its racial ties to his country not because he thought it had philosophical insight."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>3\n/thread"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\n>Here Plethon described a Neoplatonic hierarchy of gods to whom he gave the names of the pagan pantheon. He included the text of prayers to these gods and set out the manner in which their worship should be conducted.\n\nNeoplatonists certainly believe in Gods but the transcendent One is the supreme order. They do not for example, view the gods as creators of the world. Also Plethon's most famous work is a treatise on why Plato is superior to Aristotle."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>24\nOh get fucked they had plenty of writings. This idea that christians brought writing wherever they conquered and destroyed the indigenous culture has been proven false revionist bullshit a million times."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\ncare to show us these pre-christain Norse/Baltic writings?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>26\n>>27\nThis lol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Wtf is going on with zoomers larping online about being Based TRAD ORTHOS? It's getting out of hand."}, {"id": 2, "content": "The idea of St Michael saying the word “based” had me dying of laughter."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">orthodox christian\n>uses catholic art\n?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nHe's 14. I remember when I was 14 I thought I had it all figured out."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are they posting crusader memes?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIkr crusaders slaughtered Orthodox in Constantinople"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThe two inches of makeup and dick-sucking lipgloss go really well with the whole christian woman schtick."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>7\n>taking shittok seriously"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nApparently nu-christians do"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Because in our accelerating post-truth era, now more than ever authenticity is meaningless and what you see is indistinguishable from essence.\nAll you have to do to acquire the authority and prestige of religion and spirituality is just to spam memes, scripture, and artwork."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>post-truth era, now more than ever authenticity is meaningless and what you see is indistinguishable from essence\nI agree, I'm seen a lot of girls on tiktok as well grifting as Chad wives while showing a ridiculous amount of skin putting on makeup."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>4\nBetter than me. I was hanging around dumb thugs and larping as one of them."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDumb niggers with no authentic identity or sense of self adopting the aesthetics of religion."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>Jesus loves you no matter what\nAnd this is false according to tradfags?"}, {"id": 15, "content": "WOW"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>pic\nErm... do wog rapebabies really cope with their muttness like this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No way for them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nterronisisters... please tell me this is not true.."}, {"id": 4, "content": "sage"}, {"id": 5, "content": "another haplonigger thread..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe smartest poo."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>Ancient Greeks wuz whites and shit!\n>Modern Italians/Greeks are Arabs and Turks!\n>Hah how does it feel to get BLEACHED shitalians?\nWhy are nordicist posters the stupidest and worst people on this board? Can they even discuss history without projecting their we wuz insecurities? It's pathetic. Imagine having Mediterraneans living rent free in your head all day every day"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do some cultures prefer “letting go” while others prefer “never forgetting?”"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Morality-based vs Honor-based systems"}, {"id": 3, "content": "circumstance, vietnam benefits by letting go and allowing trade and foreign investment, african americans get gibsmedats by never letting go of slavery"}, {"id": 4, "content": "If they never forget of \"letting go\" then are they really a \"letting go\" society\n\nCan a \"never forget\" society keep to reliable source material through years and decades of transcription?\n\nNo\n\nThings we do either contribute to our salvation or our destruction most of the time both on different degrees"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"never forgetting\"\nLike the US post 9/11?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>t. retarded zoomer\nBefore \"Never Forget\" it was \"Remember Pearl Harbor\". The US has always been a country of sappy fucks easily manipulated by their leaders with guilt like that."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCould you be more specific? Do you mean the citizenry forgetting or remembering important events like terrorism and wars? Cultural trends? What?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the differences between Israelites, Jewish people, israelis and Hebrews?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews of today have more \"gentile\" blood"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\ndo you have a pdf of that?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHebrews were black"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nActs 21:39 , Romans 11:1"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHebrew divers from habiru that basically means 'outcasts'.\nIsraelites is the tribal title that represents the 12 sons/tribes of Jacob.\nAt some point the tribe called Dan just pack up and leaves Israelites, then the 10 tribes of Jacob (who still call themselves 'Israelites') and one tribe called Judah spilt.\nPeople who are from the tribe of Judah are who we call Jews today."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>People who are from the tribe of Judah are who we call Jews today.\nAshkenazis didn't descend from Israelites."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSome yes some no there were plenty of Jews in Europe before khazaria converted"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYet they magically convinced Israelites that did.\nTruly the power of the Ashkenazi milkers."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nproof?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nThe Pharisees didnt separate themselves from the original faith.\nThey separated themselves from the ones making a new faith.\nSuch an unbelievable contortion of history, lol. embarrassing.\n\n100 years ago natives of Ethiopia and america didnt know the other country existed and yet jews from both countries put on the exact same black boxes with the exact same words written in them, to the letter.\n\nYou goyim are so full of shit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThe ehtiopiams are fake jews they had no teffilin you should of used jews in Poland and yemin as examples here but we new each outher existed"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nHuh? Fake jews?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYea they are genticly the same as regular Ethiopians and they had no knowledge of the oral Torah they are not realy Jewish a t all"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nplease don't think these retards represent goyim"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJamie, pull up that haplo-autism!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nThe closest populations to ancient Jews are Samaritans.\n\nYemenite Jews are pure South Arabian Arabs, they are literally Arabians that converted to Judaism before Mohammed .\nAshkenazi Jews have mostly European ancestry."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nretard, hebrew comes from evri (עברי) which translates as \"one who passes\" i.e. passed the red sea. Habiru does not refer to hebrews 100% and regardless is an exoname"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\nSo Christcucks are low iq midwits that take the Bible at face value whiles Jews are chads that outsmarted God himself"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>they had no knowledge of the oral Torah they are not realy Jewish\n\nthat actually suggests they are the real Jews\n\noral torah is a fabrication"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>are literally Arabians that converted to Judaism before Mohammed .\nYes and there still more Jewish than Ethiopians fakes\n>>20\nCope harder goy the oral Torah was passed from Moshe rabeinu to yeshua Ben nun and so in down the generations we have the chain recorded all of us real jews from Yemen to Poland the Ethiopians do not cuase they are fakes and retarded 70iq savages I live in Israel I know first hand"}, {"id": 22, "content": "Main difference is Judaism is a platonic religion which believes in an immortal soul"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\nI dont think that can be true because Joseph gets called a Hebrew in Genesis, before the red sea split."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>>21\nthe so-called oral torah is not mentioned in the Law of Moses once, there is nothing but the word of rebbes which I do not accept without a good reason\n\ngo ahead and provide a source in the histories, or the prophets, or the pentateuch for the penultimate source of the Talmud\n\nyou won't find it there\n\n>muh chain\n\nXdoubt.png"}, {"id": 25, "content": "*ahem*\n\nJosephus Flavius, Jewish Antiquities 13:297:\n\n\"The Pharisees had passed on to the people certain regulations handed down by previous generations, but not written down in the Law of Moses. For this they were rejected by the Sadducee party.\"\n\n\nIF the oral torah is actually as old as the rebbes claim, THEN there would not have been such a disagreement over it during the time of the Second Temple.\n\nprotip, the Pharisees were deviant in their teachings and in their conduct"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nterm Israelite also includes Samaritans along with Jews.\nThats the only difference."}, {"id": 27, "content": "with all that said, I accept the Talmud as a collection of commentaries on the Torah built up over the centuries after the Romans razed the Temple\n\nbut it is not a secret oral Torah and it is hence not inspired, to claim otherwise it is pure cope and notably the only means by which certain religious figures might claim authoritativeness and legitimacy"}, {"id": 28, "content": "in short Beta Israel (Aethiopian Jewery) are as real Jews as the Sadducees were\n\nand the state of Israel engaged in a campaign of clandestine sterilization against their women folk"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>with all that said, I accept the Talmud as a collection of commentaries on the Torah built up over the centuries after the Romans razed the Temple\ni will ruin this thread by saying Torah is a commentary on lost Book of Jasher. Talmud is a commentary on a commentary.\n>>28\nSadduccees rejected existence of divinity, thye didnt beleived ni angels perhaps they even rejected existence of God"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>with all that said, I accept the Talmud as a collection of commentaries on the Torah built up over the centuries after the Romans razed the Temple\n>but it is not a secret oral Torah\nthe talmud is a commentary on the oral torah"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>24\nAll the time in Torah when it says Moses spoke to the elders, oral Torah is how we know to make tefilin\n>>28\nBoth of these statements are false but I wish we did sterilize their woman they are subhuman vermin would trade ever one for two arabs if I could"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did people learn to have sex before sex education and porn existed? Is it instinctual"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe universe and man are created by God. God is outside of His creation."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrial and error"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Nigga you put your dick in the hole that made it hard and your other head braindead while you push around and move back and forth. Oh wow this feels better when I move like this or that."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Knowledge of transfolk is innate just like their transness"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Why weren’t children committing suicide en masse before life saving gender affirmation surgery existed? Are historians covering up this critical facet of trans history?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYour lizard brain inherently understands how it works."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nGod created the universe but man willingly and by deception decided to walk away from God\n\nGod didnt abandoned us, it was us who walked away from perfection"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nMaybe it's the same as all the allegedly gay people who just ended up in happy heterosexual marriages and relationships before it was OK for them to be gay in public?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou weren't taught to be attracted to whatever (hopefully women if you're a dude). Think on when you hit puberty, and imagine now that even though you didn't know of sex as a concept but you were beside a women whom whether was consenting or not was entirely yours to do with what you wanted, what would be the thing you think you'd want to do?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember in first grade there was this girl; I had no idea what sex was and I wanted her to sit her ass right on my face."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey read Aristitle so they would know how to properly handle the hymen moving around in the body."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo, because God is nameless in Taoism while God has a name in Christianity"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Eh, it's questionable. Depends how literally you take ancestor \"worship\", if you scale it down to a dia de los muertos like the cholos did then probably."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhere is ancestor worship in the dao de jing? Think you're confusing it with Confucianism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIf you're a Christian You can't be anything else."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes\n\nt. millions of Chinese Christians."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThe main Chinese bible translation of John 1:1 (Chinese Union version) basically says:\n>太 初 有 道\n>tài chū yŏu dào\n>[in the] remotest / beginning / there was / Tao\n\n>In the beginning was the Tao, and Tao was with God, and the Tao was God."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI converted from atheism to every religion and now am covered when I die by being a member of the one true religion whichever it may be."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>unknown\njoin the one true religions"}, {"id": 9, "content": "If you knew how great God is, and you loved Him, you wouldn’t want anything else."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\n>>1\nAnd also the duality at the basis of taoism isn't appliable in christianity\nSince in christianity the world isn't balanced between two opposites, but God is good without an opposite, God alone as understood in christianity breaks up the balance of taoism\nIn christianity the world is not a zero sum"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nGod and Satan both said, \"Join every Religion.\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nHieromonk Damascene - Christ the Eternal Tao\n\nhttps://ia902201.us.archive.org/6/items/orthodox-christian-library/Orthodox%20Christian%20Library%20-%20V1/Hieromonk%20Damascene%20-%20Christ%20the%20Eternal%20Tao_text.pdf"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\ndefine \"be\", shill"}, {"id": 14, "content": "There are spiritual things and there are soulish things. Jesus is eternity, God things. Ideas, philosophies are for the soul. Therefore, follow the one voice of Jesus, the good shepherd so that he may lead you to your next level."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nNo, because there is no gay balancing the Force in Christianity.\nOne side conquers all."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1\nbs there are many named gods in taoism\n\n>>unknown (OP)\nno."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Diversity is our streng- ACK!!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">be shitty king\n>your subjects revolt\n>fast forward 1800 years\n>therefore we must kill le niggers"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">country accepts immigrants\n>houses them and gives them jobs\n>years later they revolt and form their own empire\nmany such cases!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAm I missing something, or does this describe native Egyptians revolting against a Greek king who is ruling Egypt? If that's true, this would be a native majority overthrowing a foreign minority ruling over them, how is that a failure of multiculturalism?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThis but unironically"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBritishers... time is running out to overthrow our curry overlords"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ez vote\n>ez labor\nNo one said diversity was the strength of the non-elites."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>diversity is our strenght!\n>African countries are shitholes because the colonizers drew artificial borders which group together different ethnic groups!"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nT. Schlomo Shekelburger von Kikenkutkock."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">Fleeing the Mongols, at least 40,000 Cumans approached the eastern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary and demanded admission in 1239.[52][53] Béla only agreed to give them shelter after their leader, Köten, promised to convert together with his people to Christianity, and to fight against the Mongols.[52][54][55] However, the settlement of masses of nomadic Cumans in the plains along the Tisza River gave rise to many conflicts between them and the local villagers.[52] Béla, who needed the Cumans' military support, rarely punished them for their robberies, rapes and other misdeeds.[52][56] His Hungarian subjects thought that he was biased in the Cumans' favor, thus \"enmity emerged between the people and the king\",[57] according to Roger of Torre Maggiore.[58]\n>When the citizens of Pest realized the presence of Cumans in the invading army, mass hysteria emerged.[60] The townsfolk accused Köten and their Cumans of cooperating with the enemy.[52] A riot broke out and the mob massacred Köten's retinue.[61] Köten was either slaughtered or committed suicide.[52] On hearing about Köten's fate, his Cumans decided to leave Hungary and destroyed many villages on their way towards the Balkan Peninsula.[62][63]\nLessons to be learned."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>conquer foreigners\n>they rise up when they you are weak\n>???\n>millions must die"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYour mistake is seeing this as a voluntary migration. The Hungarians had to accept or they would have been invaded.\nYes, after they extorted the king for land, they extorted the peasants therein. That's what all feudal lords do."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Moor rule was AMAZING for unsatisfied European housewives."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Outremer rule was great for unsatisfied arab housewives."}, {"id": 3, "content": "why Trailer Boy?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBritish Raj was AMAZING for unsatisfied Pjaeeta housewives"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What’s the closest any society has come to pure libertarianism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "hunter gatherers"}, {"id": 3, "content": "That lawless patch of land in italy.\nOr that time a company ruled india"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cospaia"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe United States during its early era of independence and the American Wild West"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomalia."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nkys reddit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNigger."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWeimar era Berlin"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn a certain point of view all indigenous tribes with their territories are somewhat libertarian"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWest Papua"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Somalia. American wild west. Hunter gatherers. When the European trading empires from England and Netherlands rules India and the Dutch indies."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nviking age iceland"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Libertarianism wasn't viable in the past because to enforce property rights you need a strong state, and that strong state eventually becomes an end on itself absorbing more and more power.\n\nThat is changing though, because as the digitalization of the economy advances digital goods become more and more important in the economy and digital goods don't need a state to protect them.\n\nSo libertarianism has never existed before, but we're moving in its direction."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Maybe, but your picture wouldn't prove it. Trying to argue that xyz religions are all the same or equally good because they all have something similar to the golden rule is like saying that a salad and a big mic are equally healthy because they both have lettuce."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYes. God sends his prophets every now and then to renew the faith of mankind, but they are all reflections of his will."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nAbsolutely"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The Golden Rule is more of a vague suggestion in Christianity and is nowhere near the primary teaching"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nYou reach God whenever you think of infinity compassion and love\n\nYou reach God when you think with humility\n\nSome few non-religious people are closer to God than actual religious people but yeah\n\nThis is what \"God is everywhere\" means, beuty and virtue, that is God"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nThis pic is nothing more than relativistic propaganda."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nAnd beyond this, when you think, when you speak there seems to be something or someone that listens to you, always\n\nYour biological eyes cant see it but there is something\n\nAlthough his would only be possible if consciousness exists above and beyond the flesh\n\nAnd this would only be possible if a brain and the flesh are an expression of something deeper within reality, not the origin of consciousness\n\nWhat if consciousness originates without flesh, it would be possibile inside a different dimension that has different rules to our percieved reality\n\nWhat if these dimensions were directly conneceted and in fact were to be the base of our universe"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was the greatest?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRD9rnwXxKc [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Hitler"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhe was of course based and, like frederick the great, he surely could be the forth in such distinguished company, but he's objectively a step lower than them."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Alexander"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJulius Caesar did the impossible and found a way to make the Roman republic more Kino."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Caesar"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Cyrus the Great and Timur>>>>>eurocucks"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nbased,\ndude was a literal legendary hero but actually existed"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChurchill."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Waifus for chudcels"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Genghis"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nHe lost."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon easily. He's the only one of the three who faced overwhelming odds on a near-constant basis and innovated the art of war on a scale not seen from a single individual since.\n\nAlexander never met a general who was close to his level and his army (which he inherented almost wholesale from his dad and made few tweaks to himself) outclassed everything else by a landslide. He's still an S-class genius, but his dad could've easily had destroyed Persia if he had lived long enough, though admittedly not nearly as quickly and he also probably wouldn't had made it all the way to India.\n\nCaesar's campaign in Gaul, save for Alesia, was conducted messily. On multiple occasions he came close to getting destroyed by the Gauls and only prevailed because of luck (and Labienus) despite his army outclassing his barbarian enemies by leagues. Vercingetorix was schooling Caesar pretty bad and might have overcame him and permanently set Caesar back if he had won Alesia. Against Pompey, he got outgeneralled again (Caesar is a poor strategist) despite having much more experienced legions. If Pompey hadn't been gaslighted by his allies to fight Pharsalus, Caesar would have been done. Also, Labienus (who is like half the reason Caesar conquered Gaul so fast) almost beat him at Munda (even Caesar admits this) and only lost because of Pompey's retarded son. His conquests post-Munda are legit and validate his reputation as one of the GOATs (still not as good as Napoleon though)."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlexander"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nSo did napoleon"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlexander died a few years after he finished conquering and his empire fell apart immediately after\nCeaser also died shortly after his wars but at least his dynasty sorta continued\nNapoleon failed in his conquests and his attempts to make a dynasty"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think I have to go with caesar, Napoleon couldn't handle going full retard like Alexander who died early."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>7\n>not a single nordcuck\n\nScandi sisters?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>Muh succession and legacy\nmidwit take"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>2 goblins remembered for some goblin tribal wars with other goblins\n>1 goblin that got cucked and lost to russians after ruining other goblins empire.\nNone is great\nThey are just circlejerk for servile incels"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon > Caesar > Alex"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\nAnd that's a good thing"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlexander."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\nfpbp"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleon, and I hate the French"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChingis Khan."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCaesar, by far. Akexander and Napoleon both inherited the best armies of their times while Caesar built his own up from the ground and won victories against 10 to 20 times their numbers."}, {"id": 28, "content": "It should really be between Alex, Nappy, and Genghis Khan\nJulius Caesar is honestly in the little leagues and is much more important historically in terms of domestic issues than he was as a \"conqueror\". Taking Gaul is cool and all but it's not even as impressive as beating Carthage."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>I hate X, X are not white, i type them with * kek, kek le contrarian kek\nkys zoomoid"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>21\n>muh chart"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>6\nCaesar, my allegiance is to the Republic, TO DEMOCRACY!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Who was the greatest?\nProphet Muhammad (pbuh)"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nHe'd be nowhere without Khalid Ibn Al Walid"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>2\nfpbp\n>>24\nso did Napoleon."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\n>His conquests post-Munda are legit and validate his reputation\nhuh?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nHe is from the other timeline."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When did objective moral values, bestowed by God, become unjustly reduced to a dismissive label of mere \"religious views\"? Could it be that atheists' attribution of objective morals as mere \"religious views\" is but a satanic ploy to beguile humanity into succumbing to moral relativism?\n\nSome examples of atheist morality:\n\nHow it started:\n\n>Atheists: Ugh! Praying in school? Religion has no place in school! Keep your so called \"religious values\" away from kids!\n\n>Atheists: What authority do you have to dictate what the definition of marriage is? Huh? The entire concept of marriage came from Genesis? Does not matter, those are just your religious views! Marriage can be whatever a person defines it to be! Why do you care?\n\nHow it is going:\n\n>Atheists: Uhh... you believe that clump of cells are babies and should not be killed? That's just your religious views! Huh? What's the difference between a baby and a clump of cells? Uhh... that's up to the birthing person to decide...\n\n>Atheists: Huh? you don't want to give my 4 year old transgender daughter her new vagina? Your religious views do not belong in a hospital! You are getting a lawsuit!\n\n100 years in the future :\n\n>Atheists: Huh? What do you mean sodomizing my baby should be against the law? Wow! Mind your business and keep your religious views to yourself!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not just morality. Postmodernism is a singularity that swallows up all attempts of asserting solid ground. Even math is racist. When did it happen? Post WW2 academics were bleak motherfuckers."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheists hijacked science and the schools to force their retarded religion on kids. They're just dishonest lying sacks of shit, morality is subjective and truth isn't absolute to them, except only Christian morality and truth is LE BAD to them.\n\nThey're not worth making threads over."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nOh, and history itself is victim to it. \"Presentism\" is the trend now. All history is now judged according to present attitudes. And none of the people or events ever truly matter if it victimizes any one in current day. This is why put blacks in Victorian Period dramas."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nName 5 objective morals given by God"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">muh morality is objective because uh le religion\n>said religion proceeds to have multiple giga wars with its followers killing each other in over the top ways because they can't agree on what their so called objective morality actually is\n>the most religious states have a habit of having extremely high amounts of crime, murder, brutality, human trafficking, child abuse, etc\nits funny how you fags try to say you are objective in your morals when just looking a bit shows the opposite"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nWhy do antitheists play these child games? If you don't go along they throw a tantrum then act like they \"won\", like a spoiled kid flipping over the monopoly board.\n\n>>6\nWho are you quoting? Why are atheists so schizophrenic?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIf you hold that your morals are so objective please at least name five so I can follow them"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhy should I spoonfeed something that you can go read yourself?\n\nYou're like a baby."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>point out religious larper hypocrisy\n>starts projecting on how you are actually the schizo\nevery time"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nI might read it with the wrong spirit! I need a real Christian to spread the gospel of truth! Just 5 objective morals!"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>you don't want to give my 4 year old transgender daughter her new vagina\nNothing in the bible against this"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nIn fact the bible argues for it!\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skoptsy"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Nothing in the bible against this\nThe Bible condemns both sodomites (Greek active partner, arsenokoitai) and the effeminate (Greek passive partner, malakoi)."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIt doesn't condemn sex reassignment surgery however"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>Russia is the bible!"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nGog and Magog"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nDoesn't matter how far you want to be effeminate. You'd still be a malakoi in danger of hell."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nTransgenders aren't \"effeminate\""}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nCut your balls off matt 19:11"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>based opinion\n>based opinion\n>strawman\n>making shit up\nThis is why atheism is le bad apparently"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nBeing a butch lesbian isn't effeminate."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nZero Biblical support for this."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Objective morality\nNo such thing. Plenty of different religions and different Christians."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n“Transgender 4 year old” is very much a real thing. The sooner atheists accept that the reality of the world they’re creating, the sooner they can start being taken seriously."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nAre you implying you ought to be taken seriously?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nMatthew 19:11"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\nThere.\n>83. We made a covenant with the Children of Israel: “Worship none but God; and be good to parents, and relatives, and orphans, and the needy; and speak nicely to people; and pray regularly, and give alms.” Then you turned away, except for a few of you, recanting."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nHow have you determined that is objectively true? Can it be proven?"}, {"id": 30, "content": "So this is the power of American hours."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nBlack people existed during Victorian times"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>21\n>based\nYou don't know what that word means\nStop using it until you learn it's meaning"}, {"id": 33, "content": "It's either christianity or moral relativism. There can't be anything in between. Any other religion or school of thought about morals.\nThere's nothing intellectually significant here. Just a false dichotomy and apparently a conspiracy theory.\nWhile the U.S. is technically officially a secular nation. The line between church and state erodes. Thanks to people like OP.\nIn all of the inane ramblings of OP, there is little mention of this erosion.\nHe can't be satisfied. None of them can until we're all wearing crucifixes."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>5\n>Name 5 objective morals given by God\nHow about Ten?\n\n>>1 (OP)\nTo answer your question, OP, it goes back to a fundamental shift in worldview from the classic or Premodern view of Supernaturalism to the Modern view of Naturalism which began in the Age of Enlightenment in 17th century Europe. The Modern or Naturalist view denies the reality of the supernatural, such as God, religion, the human soul, Heaven and Hell. They wrongly assume that whatever is beyond human reason or science does not exist.\n\nToday we are beginning to see the replacement of Modernism with Postmodernism, which began in the 1950s. Postmoderns deny the existence of objective reality altogether. Why should anyone believe in science as ultimate truth? To them, truth is found in how you feel, not in external objects. They highlight the weakness of Modernism to account for absolute truth, which requires divine revelation. And yes, this weakening of morals is deliberately Satanic in origin. But we can know absolute truth with certainty through Jesus Christ and the Holy Catholic Church He instituted."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Cut the tall trees"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTutsi liars"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWas it manlet rage?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>kill your neighbors because the radio said so"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts... uh... their culture or something"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nWhat else could it be?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "DAILY REMINDER that Paul Kagame killed Juvénal Habyarimana and Cyprien Ntaryamira, the presidents of Rwanda and Burundi, and NO ONE cares"}, {"id": 8, "content": "it was a civil war and the tutsi won.\n\nTheir conflict has nothing in common with the shameful behavior of kikes during their exterimination (in which the kikes participated and helped out with LMAO)"}, {"id": 9, "content": "GOOD MORNING RWANDA!"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nKek"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What will his legacy be?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was ahot by a guy called Sirhan Sirhan, that's some cartoon villain shit right there."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>ahot\nshot"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nfucked with twa and got fucked like his brother.\nlong live the texas theatre show of the sixties."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nOscar\n>>3\nOscar\n>>4\nOscar"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhy are we supposed to feel bad for Palestinians we they chimped out from the 60s through the 80s"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeing the less handsome, more evil brother."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDidn’t Robert Kennedy help defuse the Cuban missile crisis? That seems like something which would firmly place him in the good category."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can pastoralism theoretically support as large populations as agriculture? If not, how much less efficient is it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt'd probably stink."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot nearly as large no, and no environmentalist meme here but it is remarkably unsustainable. Large environmental changes occurred among pre-industrial pastoralist societies in central Asia and Anatolia, as well as in later western North America. Its advantages are few and those would include the ease of logistical considerations with regard to moving your food from one place to another. It is far and away a primitive stupid lifestyle."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf it could it probably would've happened by now. It's stronger than hunter-gathering but far more expensive and parasitism is basically an implied necessity for advanced pastoralism, hence why they always fight farmers even now in Africa."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "VE"}, {"id": 2, "content": "VAS"}, {"id": 3, "content": "KONINGS"}, {"id": 4, "content": "UND"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\nWhy do women keep aborting you?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nA lot of it is projection. He suffered from scrupulosity and needless self pressure that even his confessor thought was bizarre. His priest told him simply: Just love God. Luther's answer: \"Love God? Sometimes I hate Him.”"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1\nIt's because he had daddy issues, which also explains his problem with authority"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1\nThat's the one thing Luther said that actually resonates with me.\n\nIf I didn't acknowledge those feelings it would be a disservice to the Lord."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHe had a bad way of working it out though (by projecting this trouble on to every other Catholic). Not that there wasn't need for reforms (there was), but this in particular wasn't something everyone experienced."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do people with brown eyes lie so much? What are the evolutionary reasons for this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you referring to Muslim's Reliance of the Traveler?\nThat's because their religion can't survive without it."}, {"id": 3, "content": "White people cannot tell bare-faced lies because they will blush, and everyone will see"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWTF are you talking about? What a stupid fucking question. Eye color has nothing to do with people lying more. I had two friends with colored eyes, and they lied just as much as anyone with brown eyes.\n\nWhat a time wasting question, in fact this is a /x/ level question, not a history or humanities one.\n\n>>>/x/ now."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSpazzing out much? I'm starting to think OP is onto something..."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis board is dead."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Blue eyed huskies have more energy. Blue eyed people have more honesty."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nlike your mom"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nFuck you, I am not a necrophile."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do Muslims really believe Mohammad rode a unicorn to the moon?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "smart Muslims don't.\nbut then, smart Catholics don't believe the Fatima vision or \"eucharistic miracles\", either.\nimams have to put up with their semipagan flock just like bishops have to put up with their semipagans, too.\n\nThe problem we share is, of course, women."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>smart Catholics\nCatholicism is pagan, full stop"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, but he rode al-Buraq to Jannah"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nI feel like hugging you"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what is the racial self hatred called?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProgress."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n'White men's burden'."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInternalized racism."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Were they justified? Could something like this (preventing the spread of certain ideologies) ever happen in the digital age? Is the push to ban certain books in schools comparable to it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I mean a majority of books they burned were objective trash, even if you cherrypick the few supposed books they burned that weren't it's just down to taste or in other cases, historically overlooked communist propaganda. Like Hellen Keller's \"How I became a Socialist\" (Hellen Keller was a blind an deaf person who never displayed the ability to write her own thoughts so who wrote the book?)"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember loling so hard when I found out that all the books burned in the spooky book burnings were literally just transgender/fetishporn/proto lgbtq shit from the sexology institute (created by a jew). I always thought they were burning history or science books"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould like a list of all the authors they burned."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’m not a fan of book burnings, for I value freedom of thought and press."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nName those Jews bro. I wanna know."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nMagnus Hirschfeld\n>The Institute was headed by Magnus Hirschfeld, who since 1897 had run the Wissenschaftlich-humanitäres Komitee ('Scientific-Humanitarian Committee'), which campaigned on progressive and rational grounds for LGBT rights and tolerance. The Committee published the long-running journal Jahrbuch für sexuelle Zwischenstufen.[4] Hirschfeld built a unique library at the institute on gender, same-sex love and eroticism.[5]\n\nthe organization was staffed overwhelmingly by jews"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThats just one Jew, controlling other Jews (of which you didn't give me their names). I'm pretty sure the NatSocs burned other books. Not just tranny theory garbage."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nnigga the book burning that you see in op webm and that popculture always reference is the burning of the contents within Hirshfeld's institute\n>Four days later, the institute's remaining library and archives were publicly hauled out and burned in the streets of the Opernplatz by members of SA alongside the students. A bronze bust of Hirschfeld, taken from the institute, was placed on top of the bonfire.[16][68] One estimate says that between 12,000 to 20,000 books and journals, and even larger number of images and sex subjects, were destroyed.[68] Another estimate says that about 25,000 books were destroyed.[71]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>always thought they were burning history or science books\nProbably because that's what school tries to tell kids. I was once told they were burning every book that wasn't mein kampf..."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>I'm pretty sure the NatSocs burned other books. Not just tranny theory garbage.\nAlright name them."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were symbolic and yes they were justified as a rally against degeneracy like tranny propaganda"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Yes it was justified as it was mainly written by Jews who attempted to rewrite, redefine and subvert German culture. Much like what we see today."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nA fuck ton. Not just a few degenerate Jews."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>burnng dostoyevsky, gorki, tolstoy, joyce, wilde, hesse, kafka\nholy fuck nazis are uncultured.swine. no appreciation for the arts."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nBut they were le based and redpilled."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nWhy Dostoyevsky?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>propagandists against germany\n>jews\n>communists\n>feminists\n>more jews\n>even more jews\n>anarchists\n>homosexuals etc\nwow what a group of people whos books I would burn"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>insults nazis\n>post german empire\nconservatives hated nazis and vice versa"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Destroying the future's history is bad. Period. Bury the shit if you must."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>Dostoyevsky\nSlav subhuman untermenschen\n\n>>19\nThere's several iterations of Germany on the pic though. Middle one is Nazi Germany."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>hesse\n>art\n\nLMFAO nice try midwit\n\n>>19\nNigger, you’re talking to a samefagging Zionist Jew\n\nThe only things Nazis were more justified in burning than those shit books were Jewish scum"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nIt was symbolic you dunce"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Slav subhuman untermenschen\nGTFO American mong"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>>23\nbuck broken"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nI'm being sarcastic tard."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI'm not"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\nthis list is fake. its a compilation of various authors condemned by Reich or speculated to have been condemned but no evidence that they were burned"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Also here's a massive list of Authors banned.\nHave fun looking it; it's fucking massive.\nhttps://verbrannte-und-verbannte.de/person?page=1"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally 451"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nNow tell me anon. Where did you get that information from? I would like to see where this list gets deboonked."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>17\none of his books has pro-russian socialist/anti religion propaganda in it so it was burned"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\n>Slav subhuman untermenschen\n\n>>21\n>There's several iterations of Germany on the pic though\nno it's not. austria hungary exists.game is victoria 2. and depicts german empire. russia is green. if it was ussr it would be tagged red.\n\n>>22\nwhat is wrong with hesse?\n\n>The only things Nazis were more justified in burning than those shit books were Jewish scum\nwhat is wrong with the rest of the books?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>pic\nThe Nazis contradicted themselves a lot. They also banned the evolutionary biologist who was the pioneer of so-called \"scientific racism\". By the late 1930s they were banning Darwin altogether."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>Now tell me anon. Where did you get that information from? I would like to see where this list gets deboonked.\nit literally just mentions every author that was banned, restricted , condemned or was thought to be in bad taste by the Reich as having being burned. Show me the actual evidence that Tolstoy, Oscar wilde and James Joyce's books were literally burned instead of a wikipedia screenshot as if that is fact"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Book burning is no different from flag burning from the mid 1800’s onward. It’s a demonstration of the fact that you’re able to publicly destroy the symbols of the thing you’re burning. Nothing more, nothing less."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nThey banned people that were outspoken critics of them that said they would assist critics and degenerates flee from germany\n\nyou would know this if you read about anything on the subject"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>29\nwhy are lefties pretending that they are not pro-censorship now?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI for one, am glad they banned Einstein from the evil Jewish magic science he was spreading in Germany."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>8\n>OKAY some of the books were about tranny gay stuff\n>OKAY it was written by a jew\n>BUT prove every book burned was retarded jewish faggot propaganda!\n\ncheckmate chuds!"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nWhat's the difference between burning and banning? You still don't have access to the books.\n\n>>37\n>They banned people that were outspoken critics of them that said they would assist critics and degenerates flee from germany\nCope. The biologists I'm talking about was dead by the time the Nazis came to power.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel\n\nThe Nazis were durka durka jihad-tier retards."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nEinstein was a hack"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n/pol/ would be banned in Nazi Germany.\n\n>On one hand, Haeckel was an advocate of scientific racism. He held that evolutionary biology had definitively proven that races were unequal in intelligence and ability, and that their lives were also of unequal value, e.g., \"These lower races (such as the Veddahs or Australian negroes) are psychologically nearer to the mammals (apes or dogs) than to civilised Europeans; we must therefore, assign a totally different value to their lives.\"\n\n>Alfred Ploetz, founder of the German Society for Racial Hygiene, praised Haeckel repeatedly, and invited him to become an honorary member. Haeckel accepted the invitation. Haeckel also believed that Germany should be governed by an authoritarian political system, and that inequalities both within and between societies were an inevitable product of evolutionary law. Haeckel was also an extreme German nationalist who believed strongly in the superiority of German culture.\n\n>On the other hand, Haeckel was not an anti-Semite. In the racial hierarchies he constructed Jews tended to appear closer to the top, rather than closer to the bottom as in Nazi racial thought. He was also a pacifist until the First World War.\n\n>SS captain and biologist Heinz Brücher wrote a biography of Haeckel in 1936, in which he praised Haeckel as a \"pioneer in biological state thinking\". This opinion was also shared by the scholarly journal, Der Biologe, which celebrated Haeckel's 100th birthday, in 1934, with several essays acclaiming him as a pioneering thinker of Nazism. Other Nazis kept their distance from Haeckel. Nazi propaganda guidelines issued in 1935 listed books which popularized Darwin and evolution on an \"expunged list\". Haeckel was included by name as a forbidden author. Gunther Hecht, a member of the Nazi Department of Race Politics, also issued a memorandum rejecting Haeckel as a forerunner of Nazism. Eventually Haeckel was rejected by Nazi bureaucrats."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI honestly cannot believe there's a person on this earth hypocritical enough to truly, in their heart, believe in book burning but also come on 4chan"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>Haeckel\n>banned\nno he wasn't"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\n>What's the difference between burning and banning? You still don't have access to the books.\nnot all the authors on the list were even fully banned, a lot were just condemned but even then banning books isn't uncommon and modern Germany does it too especially in regards to online content(the modern form of books in terms of communication of ideas)"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nYes he was.\n>Haeckel was included by name as a forbidden author.\n\nhttps://archive.org/details/descentofdarwinp0000kell"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\n>German patent office clerk who mysteriously discovered solutions to everything German phycisisgs were working on in between them writing their theses and their these being published\nGlad people are finally catching on to ethos thieving glory vulture. Never forget that Einstein was not among the ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND physicists and engineers worthy of working on the Manhattan project. If he had been, he would’ve refused to show up until the day of the project’s conclusion, and we would know it today as “The Einhattan Steinject”"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>even then banning books isn't uncommon and modern Germany does it too\nThe absolute state of /pol/ cope. I'm glad you retards are too autistic to ever be anywhere close to any lever of political power."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nHeckel was named at one time by a low level nazi official visiting Saxony which criticized him as a \"primitive\" darwinist in a magazine for librarians, all his books stayed in print in germany. I assume jews saw this and made up the myth that he was banned"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\n>The absolute state of /pol/ cope\nwhere is the cope, its literally true lmao. in Germany today documentaries, videos, books, speech etc is banned."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, both are a result of Christian and Moral people banning jewish trash and seeking to remove harmful influence from their society."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nyeah most of the authors on these lists are literally just ''there is one reference of a nazi saying something negative about this author in passing so therefore he was burned''"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nYou are obviously skeptical.\nYou can find the lists yourself, the majority of books burned were by jewish authors, some books were banned but not burned because they were deemed anarchist or antagonist toward the government which naturally a government will oppose.\nThat is at worst, neutral, however it is moral good to burn jewish books teaching children about trannies."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nThe heckel lie is very specific and is linked to the lie that the Nazis \"banned darwinism\". Another jewish propaganda invention, so it's possible that some other claimed authors banned by the germans are wholly invented propaganda, yes"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nI already found the list. Most weren't just \"jew tranny books\"."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>14\nNot all of these were burned, but the majority of them were jewish, I think you need to explain why jews are so repulsive."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nnope, most were, you are going to paint banned books as burned books\nTry again lmfao."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>50\nCope."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nCorrect, that is quote of a low level official in a magazine for librarians, the nazi governemnt did not actually ban the books"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>51\n1. Removing something from school libraries or regulating fair use according to hate speech laws is not the same as banning. (I don't agree with it either way but most German anons have no problem visiting 4chan or downloading these \"banned books\" so I don't think it's on the same scale).\n2. If you are arguing modern globohomo Germany is >le bad! saying \"well the Nazis were doing it but it's OK because modern Germany does it too\" is pathetic cope."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nBurned, banned what's the difference? You wouldn't be able to read anyways. NatSocs weren't going to spend all day burning books. They just needed to get rid of as much literature that went against their views as possible."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nwell apparently \"banned\" can mean \"somebody in the government didn't like it\""}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nIt's the official guideline of the Ministry of Propaganda for banning books. Cope harder please.\n\nThe source given is this post-war German journalist who wrote a book on Nazi book banning and literature policy."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>61\n>1. Removing something from school libraries or regulating fair use according to hate speech laws is not the same as banning.\nat that is the same thing Nazis did with your marxist books that you are crying for lmao\n>(I don't agree with it either way but most >German anons have no problem visiting 4chan or downloading these \"banned books\" so I don't think it's on the same scale\nmodern censorship is on a way bigger scale"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>modern censorship is on a way bigger scale\nYou are delusional."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>official guideline of the Ministry of Propaganda\nwell they must have been pretty weak if they couldn't actually ban any books"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nI posted mine, where are your sources that \"Nazis didn't actually ban any books\"?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>62\n>>63\nNo, they went out of their way to destroy harmful mind-poison of jewish origin.\nWhy do you keep ignoring this?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>59\nthat doesn't say his works was banned"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>68\nif all the books of the author were still in circulation and being printed in germany then how were they banned? seems pretty weird to me"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\nModern censorship has removed over a hundred thousand search results in favor of 10-15 \"streamlined\" and \"approved\" results, it has also gone on to make it forbidden to say something which is true but unverified, truth is not truth until it has been verified, furthermore it has gone on to take AI and turn what is essentially the collective intelligence of all humanity and turn it into a feel good bot for shitlibs instead of a 'conscious' wise counselor.\nThe Germans did not censor near half as much as their enemies and they did not censor anything near what the jews do.\n\nAlso the Germans were removing harmful things while jews are actively poisoning anywhere they hold power."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nhttps://www.dictionary.com/browse/expunge"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>69\nAlright then, give me a list of all the exact \"Jewish poison\" they banned outright. List the name of the Jewish author and the books they wrote.\n\nHere I'll start for you:\n\nMagnus Hirschfeld; Jewish sexologist who was pro LGBT and wrote books on homosexuals and trannys.\n\nNow list the rest."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\n>two different quotes put together to mean something different\nwhere have I seen this? Oh yeah, propaganda"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nDo you have any source? I'm waiting."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nyou don't have a source"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\nyeah the journalist uses that word but the quote they are using for their evidence doesn't"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nAny proof of that? Link it."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>unknown\nyour source does not say what this says >>59\n\nYou're posting propaganda"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nLink it. Prove me wrong. Go ahead."}, {"id": 82, "content": "i remember the last time the jews trotted out this thread it turned out the nazis had banned authors who hadn't even written books yet. Who can believe such liars?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\n>link me my source\nLOL"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nI remember this retarded frogposter.\nHere's the answer to your retarded claim:\n\nThe list incomplete and was missing sources you fucking retard. It isn't reliable."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>3\nthat was a singular book burning\nthere were other book burnings that were not primarily focused on works deemed sexually immoral"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>83\nhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/4305821\n\nEvery singe author that quotes Dietrich Strothmann's Nationalsozialistische Literaturpolitik describes it as a list of policies aimed at banning books and controlling publishing. You are the one that claims otherwise.\n\nI don't have the original German book but maybe you should let all these scholars know they are wrong. Or just post the part from the book that you think it's wrong, if you are so sure."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\n>DUH NAHTZEES BANNED DUH BOOKS\nsource?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nIt's on the very pic."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nyeah post the actual source, you keep posting things saying they're quoting the source when they're not"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\ndont nother him, he seems to have no ability to read anything.\nWhy all nazis on this board turn out to be a literal third world trash in terms of intelligence?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\n>all the scholars that quote this book are wrong and lying\nOk schizo. I don't have the original German book, but you are the one claiming every scholar that quotes it is wrong, so please link the actual book and let's unravel this conspiracy to make the Nazis look bad. You are SO SURE the book says something different, surely you must have read it right?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nas nazis can time travel, they are too busy reading authors from the future."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\n>MUH SCHOLARS\n>MUH SOURCE\n>DUH NAHTZEES BANNED DUH BOOKS\npost the source then, lets read it, specifically page 144"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nYou have nigger-tier intelligence"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\npost the source"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>91\n>I don't have the original German book\nnobody does, that's the point. speculations on nazi literature censorship is jsut that, speculation. There doesn't exist an actual source for it, everybody quotes that book or uses a source that can't even spell author's names correctly\n\nIt seems claims of widespread nazi censorship is dubious at best"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nYou are the one that claimed this book says something different from what all the scholars are claiming. So burden of proof is on you.\n\nI've been digging on the web archive for it, but the book is hard to find. I've found some pretty conclusive stuff though, apparently Silone's Der Faschismus was also added to the list in 1935.\n\nAnd it very clearly says those books were \"to be confiscated\".\n\nhttps://archive.org/details/bitterspringlife00pugl/page/358/mode/2up\n\n>>96\n>all the scholars are lying\nYou can buy this book for 3 euros and prove 63 years of scholarship on Nazi censorship wrong, schizo-anon. I believe in you, you can do it!"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\nYou have to be the most retarded NatSoc to have ever used this site. I give the NatSocs a chance to show me the truth and they give me poorly sourced garbage they think is true. If you faggots weren't such a retarded group of apes, you retards would've organized the shit you've found and put in a neat list so everyone can see the truth. But instead you LARP as \"experts\" and discredit anything that's against your claims as \"Jewish propaganda\" over simple formatting. On top of you're retarded circlejerking, you niggers have to spam your poorly sourced infographics as a way to convince some retard that you've just shown them the truth.\n\nThere's a reason why no one with a brain takes your shit seriously. You retards can't convince anyone because you can't put you're \"sited truth\" into a format where anyone can read it. You make the White race look like complete niggers with no reading comprehension. Hitler would be disappointed. Now kys."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\n>this book says something different\nCorrect, your post here >>59\nis taking two quotes from different sources and putting them together\n\nIt's obvious it's a source of propaganda since people are willing to lie about its contents and considering nobody even has access to the book, this is textbook propaganda"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nI might just buy the book for 3 euros just to shut you up. But this thread would be dead by the time it gets delivered.\n\nAnyway you are schizo, you are wrong, and you are claiming a conspiracy based on a book you haven't read."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\nSays the retard quoting a quotes mixed with other quotes some of which have to do with a book that nobody has access to which is seemingly the only source for nazi censorship\n\nseems too convenient"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\nIt's not the only source, all the books I quoted have tons of sources. But you are the one claiming this particular source says something different to what is claimed, so I'm pressing you on it waiting for you to deliver something.\n\nI guess you were just lying then, no surprise."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>102\n>It's not the only source\nit is, because it's the actual policies of the third reich. You can write all the books you want about some jew testimony about his favorite trannyologist getting banned but if the policy isn't explicitly stated as a policy of the government, and isn't at least in some way proven to have occurred, then it doesn't exist"}, {"id": 104, "content": "The nazis banned Goethe, the Bible, and Shakespeare. Its all real.... in my mind."}, {"id": 105, "content": "Dhe Antobolshiez publicly burned communist literature side-by-side hazeri pornography to equate dheir worth, not because ov any hopes ov \"permanently\" suppressing such vile ideas."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\n>if the policy isn't explicitly stated as a policy of the government, and isn't at least in some way proven to have occurred, then it doesn't exist\nYou are delusional. This stuff is easy to find. This is why people don't take you seriously."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n>Conflating self admitted arbitrary book burnings with explicit government policy of book bans\nIf you keep posting this obvious propaganda I'm going to lose all faith in Nazi censorship existing"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>103\n>>106\nAnd here is the first list of banned books published in Nazi Germany, Börsenblatt für den Deutschen Buchhandel, 16.05.1933\n\nhttps://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/325245/11\n\nAmong those listed you will find... Johannes Becher, Dos Passos, Ernest Hemigway, Thomas Mann, Stefan Zweig. Primary document."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nThis is a list of names in a magazine about book publishing\n\nWhat's the context?"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nThe context is that this is a Nazi newspaper describing the first black list for \"cleansing libraries in Germany\", which books are to be \"fall prey to destruction\", and which are to be kept in the \"poison cupboard\", which is described as \"one copy of this book per city, not in the hands of the public\".\n\nExactly as explained here >>106, same authors too, so you can see the British newspaper wasn't lying."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>58\n>Eternal Dodge Versus Ford\n\nNever seen that logo before. It must have been lifted from the Theosophical Society seal.\n\nLater, it must have inspired the Scientology shield..."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nIll translate it in the morning, by the way, a magazine about book publishing isn't a government document"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nIt's a Nazi newspaper publishing a Nazi edict."}, {"id": 114, "content": "imagine the great feeling of release after years of weimar then you and your bros go and smash some jew store windows and burn their garbage, if only"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>114\ni suppose its how negros felt when they did their own pogrom in america against the jews enemies, in 2020."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>7\n>>9\nWas the magnus institute the only nazi bonfire?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>108\nThis is the first list of banned books they have. Do you have other lists from 1934 to 1938? I know they continued to banned authors throughout the 30s."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\nI'm sure that magazine must have published them. It's a literary magazine that was towing the Nazi line at the time and keeping librarians informed on which books were banned.\n\nBut I have work tomorrow, I have a job. For now that should suffice for the /pol/aroids."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>108\n>list of banned books\nThen why does it say that it's a guideline for librarians in public libraries as to which books they may get rid of, but explicitly states that they do not have to throw them away unless they can easily be replaced with better books?\n\nMind you, I know that later on they did exert control over which books could be published, but this isn't a very good source to try and prove your point.\nWith some notable exceptions like Remarque, it's also mostly garbage, much of it erotica and other kinds of smut.\n\nThe truth is ultimately that Germany never had freedom of speech and assembly like it exists in the US. Not under the Kaiser, not in the Weimar Republic, not under Hitler, and not now. The Federal Republic of Germany certainly has banned far more books than the NS regime or the Kaiser ever did. Not to mention all those videos on YouTube, Odysee and BitChute that can't be watched due to complaints from Germany's political secret police, holy shit."}, {"id": 120, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\n>Then why does it say that it's a guideline for librarians in public libraries as to which books they may get rid of, but explicitly states that they do not have to throw them away unless they can easily be replaced with better books?\nYou are lying. It's very clearly describing a public list of banned books as reported on >>106. It mentions that these books are part of the \"black lists\", specifically, and the goal of getting libraries rid of these books, some of which are to be throughroughly destroyed across Germany. I will post the full translation of the text so that you cannot squirm away.\n\n>The edition, which is made available to the public library (people's library) in the new state, corresponds to Mussolini's motto: \"Book and box—that is my command.\" This means that the cultural-political aim of the people's libraries lies in the intellectual defence, the total mobilization of the German people with the help of genuine literature. The first step towards this goal is the spontaneous attempt everywhere to concentrate the work equipment and book stocks of the libraries on the essentials. This process, which took place in a thoroughly orderly manner wherever experts took action, soon became known to the general public through the inquisitorial catchphrase of \"black lists.\" It was never about iconoclasm, but about more, namely the development of new selection and value principles in the field of popular literature and literary criticism. The standards according to which the black lists were drawn up are of course of a literary-political nature. For them, the fundamental preliminary question that is necessary for every political decision applies: Who is the real enemy? Who is the fight against? The answer is given in a fundamental statement, which has been recognized by the Prussian Ministry for Science, Art and Public Education and has been declared binding for the state library advisory offices in the country. This declaration states:"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\n>»The fight is directed against the signs of decomposition of our species-specific way of thinking and living, against the asphalt literature, which was written mainly for the people of the big city, in order to strengthen and completely uproot them in their disconnection with the environment, with the people and with any community. It is the literature of intellectual nihilism. The term \"asphalt literature\" is then defined in detail as follows: \"This literary genre has predominantly, but not only, Jewish representatives. But not every Jewish writer is an asphalt writer, e.g. B. represents the criticism that the Zionist Emanuel bin Gorion has always leveled at the literary assimilation Jews, the Jewish-national principle. It goes on to say: “Not everyone is a cultural Bolshevik. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy do not belong on the Index (without Dostoevsky, no Moeller van den Bruck!). There is no need to acquire new Russians, any more than all new Russians (e.g. Fadeyev, Farasov-Rodinov) need to be destroyed'. About the technical methods according to which the cleansing is to be carried out, it is said: “It is advisable, in principle, to have a copy of each book, even the most dangerous one, in the large city, to keep asphalt literati and Marxists in the poison cupboard. This applies above all to scientific Marxist literature, which of course is not available in public libraries. Technically, the cleaning is to be carried out in stages, depending on the possible new acquisitions to fill in the gaps that have arisen with German literature. It is most practical to divide the books blocked for lending into three groups: Group 1 falls prey to destruction (auto-da-fe), e.g. B. Remarque, Group 2 goes in the poison cupboard, e.g. B. Lenin, Marx, group 3 contains the doubtful cases, which are to be examined in detail, whether they later belong to group 1 or 2, e.g. B.Traven«"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\nAnd it was extensive to the book trade as well...\n\n>On the other hand, some of the names on the list, such as Bonsels, Edschmid, Schäffer, appear to be textbook examples of how the book trade can never go further than the public library, which after its standards Recht on Bonsels' latest publications etc. believes to be able to do without. The printed black list therefore needs to be reduced to a level that the book trade can bear. The twelve authors marked with a cross (f) on the list played the leading roles in the auto-da-fes that were being held in the Reich in those days. They must be regarded as the actual pests that would also have to be eradicated for the book trade. So the authors are: Lion Feuchtwanger, Ernst Gläser, Arthur Holitscher, Alfred Kerr, Egon Erwin Kisch, Emil Ludwig, Heinrich Mann, Ernst Ottwalt, Theodor Plivier, E. M. Remarque, Kurt Tucholsky and Arnold Zweig. It goes without saying that in addition to these twelve authors, who represent only a minimum, a general formulation should also be striven for, on the basis of which above all erotic dirt and filth should be kept away from the German book trade can. Completely analogous to this is the task that will be the main task and for which the cleansing should only create the prerequisites, namely to draw up positive \"white lists\" for a future planned book policy, with the help of which the intellectual face of the creative nation can be shaped by the book can. The first approaches to white lists have already been tackled locally in many cases. They only require a systematic summary*). Finally, it still needs to be emphasized that the benevolent interest of the Kampfbund für Deutsche Kultur as well as the Schutzverband Deutscherschriften is given for all these efforts. By collaborating with them, the book trade organizations have the opportunity to place those non-German authors on a Reich list, which must be equally binding for the publisher and the product range."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\n>>122\n>>123\n1933 BTW, they had JUST came to power and they were already banning books both from public libraries, private collections and the book trade. (bookstores)\n\nAuto-da-fe refers to the book burnings. Notice their main focus of hate here is EM Remarque (the guy who wrote All Quiet on the Western Front), rather than Marx, Lenin or tranny books. They hated the pacifist German above all."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>119\n>oh no, not my trite Communist propaganda novels, what will we do without such high literature!\nI'd like to point out that exactly at the time this guideline for public libraries was drawn up, the Communists were murdering millions of people in Ukraine:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor\n\nCommunism had also just recently proven to represent an immediate threat to Germany not long ago due to the establishment of a Jewish-run Soviet terror state in Bavaria:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic\n(note how the last act of the Jews running this regime was to take German civilians as hostages, and subsequently murdering those hostages as the Freikorps moved in to liberate the city)\n\nFor comparison, the regime in Berlin right now saw it fit to block access to rt.com and other Russian news outlets. This act of censorship is being defended as \"necessary\" by the very same people who whine about the Nazis getting communist books out of public libraries and doing a symbolic book burning bonfire.\nSame thing withe the \"Denazification\" campaign, which systematically destroyed the art and literature of an entire generation:\n>a list was drawn up of over 30,000 book titles, ranging from school textbooks to poetry, which were then banned. All copies of books on the list were confiscated and destroyed; the possession of a book on the list was made a punishable offense. All the millions of copies of these books were to be confiscated and destroyed\n>Artworks were under the same censorship as other media, leading to the destruction of thousands of paintings and thousands more were shipped to deposits in the US. Those confiscated paintings still surviving in US custody include for example a painting \"depicting a couple of middle aged women talking in a sunlit street in a small town\"."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\n>Whataboutism\nYou claimed the Nazis never banned books.\nYou lost.\n\nAnd your comparison is flawed because in 1933 the Nazis were just getting started. Hitler would match the number of civilians Stalin killed and and destroy countless of books, art pieces and historical monuments."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>113\n>It's a Nazi newspaper\nNo? It's a German magazine"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>126\nNo? Jews use a list of suggestions for the removal of Marxist novels from circulation with the banning of evolutionary science. I think that's a win for non-jews exposing the propaganda behind Nazi censorship"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>74\n>unreasonable demands\nstop telling kids to mutilate themselves\nSimple as\nStop hosting child brothels\nSimple as\nStop stealing, frauding, and murdering people you dont like.\nlike, just act like human beings"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>127\nPage one."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nFront Cover"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>128\nThe banning of evolutionary science came later and a source was provided for that, too. >>59\n\nCounter-proof provided by /pol/yps: 0 (zero)"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\nMan of the Year =/= Front cover literally says Hail Hitler!"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>15\nGoebbels was a big fan of Dostoyevsky. His works also weren't banned. It probably was burned simply because it was Russian so they just threw it on there. Same for Tolstoy although that degenerate freak would deserve to be banned"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nTrue, man of the year is much more prestigious as HH is just a mere formality, like how even anti Trump articles will say \"MAGA\""}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\nWell I actually did learn something from this thread (as a result of my own research for dealing with the /pol/bots and not because this board is actually any good) and that is that the first book burnings were disorganized as fuck and all sorts of random shit was burned, the black lists came later.\n\n>>135\nCope."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>121\n>I will post the full translation of the text\nYou say that, and then slyly proceed to leave out the passage in the upper left corner of >>119 which I will translate here, with emphasis preserved from the original German:\n>This list names all books and which MAY be removed as part of the cleansing process from the *public* libraries. Whether *all* of them *must* be removed is dependent on in how far the gaps can be filled with NEW acquisitions.\n>The list is not intended to say anything about the actual inventory of the individual libraries. It is merely a general guide for the librarians and commissioners tasked with the cleansing process.\n\n>>126\n>You claimed the Nazis never banned books.\nWrong, I specifically said:\n>Mind you, I know that later on they did exert control over which books could be published\n\n>You lost.\nNo, your inability to grasp that there's more than one person replying to you in this thread doesn't mean I've lost anything, it just means you're dumb.\n\n>rather than Marx, Lenin or tranny books. They hated the pacifist German above all.\nI did already acknowledge in >>119 that Remarque stands out on this list.\nBesides that, Stefan Zweig was Jewish, Adam Zweig was Jewish, Kurt Tucholsky was Jewish... lots of authors on the priority list who aren't just \"German pacifists.\"\nThe Jewish religion as expressed in the Talmud specifically advocates for the extermination of the German people (see Megillah 6b where it proclaims Germans to be part of \"Edom\" i.e. Satanic and to be exterminated), and there is an extensive body of Rabbinic literature explaining that this is to be done through subterfuge and intellectual games, including pretending to be non-religious. I would actually be in favor of banning most books by Jewish authors and reserving them solely for purposes of critical study, perhaps exempting books from Jewish authors who have expressly distanced themselves from these genocidal tendencies of their national religion."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>137\n>This list names all books and which MAY be removed as part of the cleansing process from the *public* libraries. Whether *all* of them *must* be removed is dependent on in how far the gaps can be filled with NEW acquisitions.\n>The list is not intended to say anything about the actual inventory of the individual libraries. It is merely a general guide for the librarians and commissioners tasked with the cleansing process.\nHow does that contradict the rest of the passage? I did leave stuff out because there's a character limit on each post. There's two lists mentioned on that magazine, the first is the black list of books to be removed from public libraries or outright destroyed, the second list which is shorter concerns those books that would also be banned from bookstores and private libraries.\n\n>The Jewish religion as expressed in the Talmud specifically advocates for the extermination of the German people (see Megillah 6b where it proclaims Germans to be part of \"Edom\" i.e. Satanic and to be exterminated), and there is an extensive body of Rabbinic literature explaining that this is to be done through subterfuge and intellectual games, including pretending to be non-religious. I would actually be in favor of banning most books by Jewish authors and reserving them solely for purposes of critical study, perhaps exempting books from Jewish authors who have expressly distanced themselves from these genocidal tendencies of their national religion.\nSchizo shit, they also banned non-Jewish authors. Do I need to keep going through that magazine to find what the black lists looked like after 1935, 1938 and so on before you concede?"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>132\n>Jew claiming his failed attempt to convince anybody the germans de facto banned books is concrete enough to claim without evidence they also banned evolutionary science"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is the push to ban certain books in schools comparable to it?\nI like how nobody itt even noticed this bait kek"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>130\nAgain that's not a nazi paper, that's a weekly magazine for people interested in the book market called the Börsenblatt which existed long before the nazis"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Could something like this (preventing the spread of certain ideologies) ever happen in the digital age?\nYes. It's more difficult for sure, but it can happen and does happen right now.\n>Is the push to ban certain books in schools comparable to it?\nYes."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>132\n>Counter-proof provided\n>You have to prove my lies wrong, I don't have to prove it happened.\nThe holocaust is also a lie.\n\nBut the psychopath jews did run open air death camps and kill German POWs and civilians.\n\nFunny how nobody talks about the Katyn forest massacre anymore either. Used to be always talked about until we learned it was the judeo-bolshevik USSR that committed it.\n\nReally strange cohencidences. Almost like the Bible is true when it calls Jews evil, a cursed people, hated by God and contrary to all men."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>139\nhttps://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Liste_verbotener_Autoren_w%C3%A4hrend_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-419&_x_tr_pto=wapp\n>On a \"list of harmful and undesirable literature\", which has been published regularly since 1935 by the Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda , or more precisely by the \" Reich Literature Chamber \", there were finally 12,400 titles and the complete works of 149 authors who, because of their humanistic, democratic or were persecuted and banned because of their socialist attitude or because of their Jewish origin."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\n\n>In 1935, the Nazi organ \"Die Bücherei 2:6\" listed the literature that was forbidden or to be sorted out:\n>The works of traitors, emigrants and authors from foreign peoples who believe they can fight and belittle the new Germany. ( H.G. Wells , Rolland ).\n>The Literature of Marxism , Communism , Bolshevism .\n>The pacifist literature.\n>The liberalist-democratic tendencies and sentiment literature and the propagandists of the Weimar state ( Walther Rathenau , Heinrich Mann ).\n>All works on history that are designed to belittle the origin, the nature and the culture of the German people, to dissolve the German people's order in its type and race, to deny the power and importance of great leaders in favor of the masses due to the idea of equality and their size in to drag the dirt ( Emil Ludwig ).\n>Writings of an ideological and life-scientific character, the content of which is the false scientific explanation of primitive Darwinism and monism ( Haeckel ).\n>Books about the arts whose representatives of the degenerate, bloodless, purely constructive “art” are positively acknowledged ( Grosz , Dix , Bauhaus , Mendelsohn ).\n>Writings on sex education and sex education that serve the selfish pleasure of the individual and thus have a highly destructive effect on the people and race ( Hirschfeld ).\n>The decadent, destructive, anti-popular literature of the “asphalt and civilization literati” ( Graf , H. Mann , Stefan Zweig , Wassermann , Franz Blei ).\n>The literature of Jewish authors, no matter which areas.\n>The social and entertainment literature in which life and life goals are presented in a superficial, untrue and sugary way on the basis of a bourgeois or feudal view of life.\n>The nationalistic, patriotic kitsch in literature ( PO Höcker )."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>145\n\n>Book ban of the SS\n>On June 9, 1941, the Reich Security Main Office (the ideological department of the SS for “fighting opponents of the National Socialist world view ” headed by Reichsfuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler ) issued a decree according to which “printed materials that are not included in the list of harmful and undesirable Scriptures have been classified”, were forbidden. This decree was only published in the \"Order Sheet of the Chief of the Security Police and SD \" of June 9, 1941. The more than 300 titles were predominantly religious, philosophical, sometimes also metaphysical and often trivial titles at first glance. The Gestapo confiscated until February 1945 books such as The Crime as an Illness by Georg Bonne (1927), Der Herrgott im Schützengraben by Max Biber or Medicinal Herbs in the Service of Beauty . Almost all of the authors on the list have been forgotten, and many of their works are not even included in the list of writings that were not allowed to be displayed between 1933 and 1945 (published by the German Library in Leipzig). The fact that Heinrich Himmler – contrary to what is often assumed – played an active role in Nazi literary policy is proven by the preamble to the “List of Harmful and Unwanted Writings”, in which Himmler was given censorship powers and, in addition to the bans, Joseph Goebbels as President of the Reich Chamber of Culture , could issue an \"additional ban\"."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>141\nI found the original 1935 \"List of Harmful and Undesirable Literature\", published by the Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda.\n\nOfficial government document.\n\"Darwinism\" is listed there.\nCope seethe and dilate, /pol/tranny.\n\nhttps://sammlungen.ulb.uni-muenster.de/hd/periodical/pageview/2539716"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>144\n>Uhm the nahtzees had \"blacklists\" and banned intellectual books outside of marxism\n>our source? uhm, ONE librarian made a blacklist for book burnings which mostly pertained to marxism or anti german rhetoric which has nothing to do with intellectual book removal in libraries\n>I know I'm implying that these two are the same things when they're not\nOkay but this has nothing to do with the list in the magazine for book advertisement does it?\n\nYou're really grasping at straws"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>147\nFront cover proving its an official document"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\nOh boy your post did not age well. Check the link right above and rope yourself."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>150\nYes yet another source has been posted that I'm sure isn't irrelevant like the last 5 sources you've posted and lied about"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\n/pol/nigs utterly buckbroken and BTFO\nMy job here is done."}, {"id": 153, "content": "The Nazis were goofballs. They like theatrics and dramatic gestures. Commies banned more books than them, but they did it silently, so today no one talks about their censorship, but everyone remembers the Nazi book burning as a symbol of barbarism.\n\nThey were kind of silly like that."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>152\n>government machinery was created to remove ideologically unsound textbooks from libraries but never completed by design because the regime failed to find contemporary books to replace them\nhmm"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nIt's over /pol/turd."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\nAre you going to let me debunk the other document or are you going to keep posting non-replies like the tranny you are?"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>153\n>Commies are cowards and liars. Nazis just do what they say is true and good.\n\nWe already knew this."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>157\nNo, they just liked a big spectacle."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>158\nNo. You simply confuse people who do what they say for the various subversions, lies, media manipulations and showmanship do to justify the evils you commit."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey should've thrown the jews in those fires and actually did the holocaust.\n\nJews are an evil parasite race, as prophesied by scripture."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nHolocaust happened. Jews are normal people like you and me.\n\n>>159\nI'm not a fan of Nazis. They also lied a lot, so I certainly wouldn't call them honorable."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">they were just burning Jewish and tranny books!\n>actually no, they burned Spinoza, Remarque, Hemingway, HG Wells. They also banned a shitload of non-Jewish, non-Marxist authors. They even banned Darwinism.\n>Never happened! Jew lies! Where is da proof?\n>This magazine contains the first black lists published in 1933, they mention Remaque was burned.\n>This book also mentions Darwinism being banned\n>That's just a random magazine! Where is da proof! The book is fake!\n>Here's the 1935 official list from the Reich Ministry of Propaganda where you can find all these authors, and a bunch of others, 12,400 titles and the complete works of 149 authors. Darwinism included.\n>T-that's a lie stop posting!\n\nHillarious thread"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>161\nI'm not a fan of Nazis either, but they didn't lie afaik. Maybe you can find some some fringe individual or case, but they did what they said unlike most cuck politicians who only care about reelection.\n\nThat being said of course like all human leaders they are deeply flawed. Do you faggots see why we need direct democracy yet?\n\n>>161\n>Jews are normal people like you and me.\nA \"normal people\" that hated and subverted their host nations. A lot of problems could be solved if they simply left, integrated or simply hated the German tax payers they relied on less.\n\nThe same can be said for modern migrants who hate their European hosts. They integrate or leave otherwise another holocaust is very plausible and even likely."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\n>direct democrazy\nyeah, it's never been tried and we are in bad spot so let's just give it a go, i promise nothing will go wrong."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nAfter Munich they said they won't demand more territories and then they invaded Czechia and demanded Klaipeda. So that's a lie.\nThey also murdered their comrades in 1934. They lied about Kristallnacht and a bunch of other things."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>162\n>Spinoza\njew\n>Remark, Hemmingway, Wells\nanti-state books.\n>shitload of non-jewish\nnope\n>non-marxist\nnope\n>banned Darwinism\nnot even once.\nalso\n>the book of Darwinism\nyes the famous work titled \"Darwinism\"\n\nI mean in fairness \"Darwinism\" is also banned by the USA, Wikipedia, the EU, and the UK.\n\nEvolution stops at the neck :)"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>161\n>Bank-Fried\n>Zelensky\n>Epstein\n>Weinstein\n>Rosenberg\n>Warburg\n>Soros\n\nyes, all totally normal people who do not operate in poisonous or vile ways relative to non-jews in their sphere."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>166\nSee >>147\n149 authors\n\nCope seethe and dilate /pol/tranny."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>168\nBTW by 1939 it had expanded to 4,175 individual works and 565 bans on whole authors. Do you want me to look for the 1939 edition?"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>164\n>it's never been tried\nIt has partially on a local level in Switzerland and it is fucking gloriously efficient. The Germanic part of Switzerland is the best place to live on the planet by far.\n\n>>165\nDid they? They said from the start that they want all the land taken from Germany in WW1 returned since they consider the treaty illegitimate. It's mostly Anglo cope press and Times that pretended he wants peace. Night of Long Knives is less forgivable, but they were right that Röhm was seeking power and basically spouting commie shit and wanting a second revolution. Violence should be answered with violence.\n\nIt's all a moot point for me though to be clear, nationalism was a mistake. Pan-Europeanism is the future."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>170\nThose were not German lands before WW1. They belonged to Austria-Hungary."}, {"id": 172, "content": "Almost all book burnings were done by independent student organizations. This is why nobody can actually name what books were permitted by the government to burn, because largely they weren't permitted. While it wasn't permitted, libraries and local authorities often allowed it to happen. This is when the tranny institute was raided and its books burned.\n\nThe general guidelines of the raids were committed along the suggestions of the \"blacklist\" created by a Librarian called Wolfgang Hermann, one of his motivations for creating the list was in order to advance his position in Nazi popularity by demonstrating his loyalty and to overtake rival librarian organizations.\n\n\"Lending Libraries\" were said to have switched to stocking \"smutt and filth\" for unemployed socialists during the Weimar era and originally the goal was to remove erotica from public circulation. The rapid progression of this movement lead the librarians to instead suggest a complete reorganization of german public libraries by removing all books pertaining to \"cultural Bolshevism\". This movement gained the blessing of the Mayor of Berlin, Heinrich Sahm, some suggest he was \"a tool of Goering\". Talk about the librarian's backlist becoming official Nazi party policy was quickly shot down however.\n\nWolfgang would produce his own list of 131 authors with selective books of theirs to blacklist. Most notable of which were communist Weimar era playwrights and foremost soviet revolutionary authors. There was also a list of 190 non-fiction authors including Hellen Keller's book about becoming a communist, Karl Marx, Lenin and Weimar era politicians that cozied up to the Soviets.\n\nSome of this literature would be symbolically publicly burned, but wasn't explicitly state sanctioned. Later the libraries were asked to remove the books from their inventories themselves (some of which wouldn't comply)."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>172\nIn Berlin a new professor Alfred Bäumler who was friends with Nazi official Alfred Rosenberg gave a lecture to the students telling them they should proactively take the book bans into their own hands. That night some 20,000 books were burned in a huge pyre while bands played german folk songs. The books burned included Marx, Kautsky, (communists) Heinrich Mann, (for criticizing German society) Ernst Glaeser, (for generally being a degenerate leftist) Erich Kästner, (for publishing erotica) Emil Ludwig, (falsification of German history) Sigmund Freud (destructive exaggeration of desires), Theodor Wolff, Georg Bernhard, (un-German journalism of a Jewish-democratic type) Erich Maria Remarque, (literal betrayal of the soldiers of the world war) Kurt Tucholsky and Carl von Ossietzky, (impudence and presumptuousness that offended the eternal German mind).\n\nGoebbels would be asked by the students to give a speech at this book burning, which he did, and that concluded his involvement with the book burnings. Students in other cities followed the lead and also staged symbolic book burnings, often congratulated by faculty members, but never to the same degree. The next largest book burning was one of 1,000 books at the Technical University. A week later student organizations announced they would task students with visiting local libraries to see if they could find unwanted books still on the shelves and organize more book burnings, the scale of which were not reported (so probably insignificant). A total of 93 book burnings took place, a majority of which were independent without Nazi directive and the scale of which aren't known, but it's safe to assume they weren't larger than 1,000 and were likely a few dozen at a time.\n\nWolfgang Hermann, the librarian who started the book banning craze would later be tossed under the bus after it was discovered he directly criticized Hitler's Mein Kampf and called Hitler stupid in 1932."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>168\nBased"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>162\n>Banned Darwinism\nDarwinism is a huge aspect of National Socialist and racialist ideology in general, and fanatical Christfaggots hated National Socialism because they taught evolution in schools. OK sure, they banned Hemingway and Tolkien , and while there's no evidence they went out of their way to burn their books like the tranny books, I still disagree with that, just because the Nazis were better than the alternative does not mean they were perfect."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>175\nThis guy gets it"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>3\n>>9\n>>10\nover 25,000 volumes of books were burned that day you retards. Obviously most of it wasn't tranny books"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\nDoesn't sound like much to be honest. If there were only 100 books targeted by the regime, that would only be 250 copies per title, which is pretty much nothing. In the U.S alone, eight hundred million printed books were sold last year to put things in perspective, and this is in the advent of the internet where reading is far less popular."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>175\nThe trannies in this thread are trying to conflate independent student book burnings with state sanctioned book burnings which never existed. What did exist (two years after the book burnings in 1935) was a general condemnation of certain literature. Some local authorities would confiscate books but there was zero means of actual national enforcement, individual states in Germany had different enforcement policies. In Bavaria for example the police operated on a list they created themselves that was never given the green light by the federal government.\n\nGoebbels created a national list of \"forbidden\" books. This was largely to prevent the confiscation of \"okay\" books rather than the federal sanctioning of book confiscation, as local police book confiscations by state were largely contradictory and lead to a lot of confusion. A Nazi official from Bavaria brought to Goebbel's attention that over 1000 publications had been banned there and 21 different authorities. This was bad propaganda for the Nazi party as international criticism of Germany's admittedly hair-brained book confiscations was quickly becoming a low-hanging fruit. Eventually all title proposals for federal lists were submitted to the National Chamber of Literature. All scientific literature was excluded. Even after this the Bavarian police continued to issue \"improper book bans\" and local police confiscation of literature elsewhere at their own discretion continued."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>179\nBasically what happened was the lists were made, and then nobody relevant was notified. Because the Nazis didn't want and publicity that they were actually considering banning books. On the ground level this meant if you stocked a book on their list and nazi officials learned of this, they could show up at your bookstore, take the book, and give you a hefty fine. This decentralized nature of censorship was in no way actually effective. The official Nazi party position was that librarians did not need to know the list of forbidden books because if their heart was in the right place they wouldn't stock them anyway.\n\nThis policy changed in 1940 when they judged the foreign press to be already at max hostility that disclosing the list would no longer be harmful diplomatically. By 1942 however book bans \"had become extremely rare\". (largely because they ran out of paper)"}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRetarded, like everything else the naziniggers did"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>147\n>Darwinism\nAre you retarded? Darwinism is used there as a category. So those books somehow related to Darwinism. Darwinism wasn't banned to any extend. Haeckel, the guy who made Darwinism popular in Germany in the first place, was vital for volkist and racial thought and celebrated as a great thinker by National Socialists. The actual books mentioned are Die Darwinische Theory. This was written by Edward Aveling who was a well known Marxist who literally married Marx's daughter and he was also the one who worked with Engels in translating Kapital into English. The other book is literally called Das ist Faschismus which I can't find but probably is something along the line of darwinism = fascism = bad."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>147\nlmao you're so fucking dumb, just as one would expect of someone who sucks Jewish dicks all day.\n\nThat page page refers to a satirist who goes by the pseudonym Dr. Darwinsohn and lists two of his books, one of them called \"Die Darwin'sche Theorie in Umwandlungs-Versen.\" At no point did the NS government even think about instituting a blanket ban on books discussing Darwinism.\n\n>>138\n>Schizo shit\nThe fact that you dismiss it as such despite the fact that it is so easily verifiable after I've given you citations of publicly accessible scripture is just further proof of your mental retardation.\nPeople like you actually need censorship, otherwise you start snipping off your own genitals."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>182\nHaecklel was banned by name. See >>59\nThe list on which he was named was \"Die Bücherei 2:6\"."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>184\nNope, you're conflating multiple datasets from multiple jurisdictions with varying levels of authenticity, book bans were not uniform in any way. The only \"darwinists\" banned were \"vulgar darwinists\" which believed that evolution was linear and that genes simply passing on caused the animal to \"progress\" rather than there being any sort of sexual selection and breeding. This is what happens when you have rationalist socialists attempting to bridge the gap between natural selection and philosophy, it turns to shit"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\nDo you have a source for that?"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>14\n>just trust me bro, I promise whoever made this list was actually there and saw it happen!\nkys retard"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>186\nDo you have a source for anything you post? Oh yeah"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>184\nHe wasn't fully banned, only some of his works were. That list specifically mentions those dealing with monism (which was banned fully) and primative darwinism. Primative Darwinism referring to his recapitulation theory if I had to guess. Even then after he was ''banned'' there were still works written about him calling him a pioneer of National Socialism, mostly by a member of the SS."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>187\nYou niggers use it all the time in your arguments so why shouldn't I?. And no don't just say that \"it's to own the Jews\"."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>188\nI'm the only person that has posted sources in this whole thread. (Sources, not infographics).\n\nSee\n>>59\n>>86\n>>97\n>>108\n>>106\n>>147\n\nYou are just coping that the Nazis were subhuman retards that banned Victor Hugo, HG Wells, Oscar Wilde, Scott Fitzgerald, Aldous Huxley, Remarque, Dos Passos, Jurists like Benedetto Croce, Scientists like Niels Bohr or Einstein, and on and on it goes. Nazis were fucking retards.\n\nAldous Huxley banned in this particular page."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>unknown\nNope he was banned. The list on which he was named is \"Die Bücherei 2:6\", of which I couldn't find a scan for online, but there's plenty of secondary sources quoting that document that attest he was banned."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>129\nHow is it unreasonable for me to demand a detailed list of these Jewish authors and what they wrote?"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>192\n>Nope he was banned\nNope, he wasn't. Your own source doesn't have him listed. The only thing that says he was banned was the screenshot you took of an unsourcable claim\n\nThis is sad as fuck by the way"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>194\nStrothmann (1960) says he was banned.\nCope."}, {"id": 196, "content": "Any sort of book burning/ banning, no matter how degenerate the books are, makes you look like a panicking loser who's out of options. By all means control what kids in school have to read but going so far to eliminate ideas is at best a complete waste of time, made even more obsolete by the existence of the Internet"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>194\n>this is sad as fuck by the way\nEh, you don't post anything, he posts actual documents."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>197\nHe posts the actual nazi list of names and claims people are on the list when anybody can read the list and see that they're not there, then has the gall to double down\n\nTypical leftist tranny behavior"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>196\nThere won't be a need to ban anything because we will have 1984-style Orwellian Social Credit Score chip implants. thanks to the type of governments these authoritarian simps seem to be excited about.\n\n>>198\nThe initial claim was that the Nazis didn't ban any books and just burned some tranny stuff. So I accept your concession."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>153\n>Commies banned more books than them\n\nNazi Germany only lasted for 12 years\nThe Soviet Union lasted 74 years\n\nOf course the commies banned more books, because they lasted longer and had more time to ban certain books that didn't fit their world view. If Nazi Germany lasted just about the same, they would've banned just as much. Fucking retard."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>199\nThe initial claim was that the NAHTZEES didn't sanction book burning, which they didn't. You have doubled down and are trying to claim they banned authors they didn't ban, book burning was not carried out by the german government like you love to imply and banning was sporadically enforced and mostly concerned the big bads like Marx, Lenin and other marxists or people espousing marxism. This VEXES you because your entire narrative revolves around Evil nazis burning schoolbooks in some sort of anti-intellectual ritual, which never happened"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>201\n>The initial claim was that the NAHTZEES didn't sanction book burning, which they didn't.\nYes they did, it was Nazi student organizations which did the book burnings, and as you said yourself they had the blessings of certain government officials and mayors.\n\n>You have doubled down and are trying to claim they banned authors they didn't ban\nCope or post a source proving me wrong. You can't.\n\n>book burning was not carried out by the german government like you love to imply\nIf Biden supporters begun ransacking bookstores and burning books, and the police was not mobilized to arrest these people, rather Democrat mayors spoke in favor of it, what would you call that?\n\n>and banning was sporadically enforced and mostly concerned the big bads like Marx, Lenin and other marxists or people espousing marxism.\nNope, as has been proven only a small proportion were Marxist or Jewish books. In fact their biggest hardon seemed to be reserved for WW1 era pacifists like Remarque.\n\n>Evil nazis burning schoolbooks in some sort of anti-intellectual ritual, which never happened\nIt's what's literally happening on the OP webm\n\nThis VEXES you because your entire narrative revolves around Evil nazis burning schoolbooks in some sort of anti-intellectual ritual, which never happened"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>202\n>student organizations burned the le books!\nYup, prove the nazis told them to"}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>203\nThey were Nazis. Nazi students, party members and youth wings.\n\nThey were gloating about it on the press too.\nSee >>123 >>122\n\nAuto-da-fe = Book burnings."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>204\n>the were socialists, so I get to claim everything they did was sanctioned by the federal government\nSo if I'm a registered democrat and shoot up an elementary full of mexican children, that's a democrat sanctioned action?"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>192\nAh I found it. First off.\nhttp://ualibr-exhibits.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/burnedbooks/documents.htm\nOn here it was called Guidelines from Die Bücherei.\nIt's actual full name is Richtlinie für Bibliotheken und Büchereien der sächsischen Regierung. So those ''laws'' were only for saxony and not real laws since they were just a short description of things they were expected to self censor. Overall he appears on not a single black list which were the actual banned books and those guidelines didn't count for most of Germany. Also most likely when they refer to libraries they don't include academic libraries since they allowed far more and had their own set of rules."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>205\nNo, if a Democrat Party Youth Organization shot up a school, were not condemned by the party, were not arrested but complimented for it by Democrat mayors, and you saw them parade next to Biden on the next rally then we could say it was a Democrat-sanctioned action."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>207\nThe US had tons of socialist student organizations generally fucking shit up in the 60's and 70's, but they were never condemned by the left\n\nI'm not following your logic here"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>206\nSo he was banned in Saxony, that's your backtracking? Appreciate the source, for once."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>208\nYou are not following the logic because you are a chimpanzee that sees everything in black and white. Leftists organizations that \"fucked shit up\" (whatever that means) should have been condemned.\n\nDoubt it was on the same scale as kristallnach or the book burnings but yeah they did a lot of bad shit in the 1960s and 1970s. Like that Weathermen guy who should be in jail."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>209\nHe wasn't banned by the federal government, so you can't blame nazis for banning him\n\ndumb cunt"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>210\nOh I get it, the only reason you get to blame the nazi government for things students did is because they're the evil nazis and you get to make shit up about them"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>211\nSo who ruled Saxony?\n\n>muh Federal government\nStop thinking everything in Amermutt terms btw, there was no federalism in Nazi Germany because the party controlled everything from the top down."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>209\n>So he was banned in Saxony\nI literally said he wasn't. A description of ''hey maybe you shouldn't publish this guy'' is not anything the same as banning him. It was never made illegal in any way."}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>213\n>the party controlled everything\n>every state did whatever they wanted pertaining to book bans\nYeah reality isn't corroborating your narrative troon"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>212\n>Nazi officers and soldiers wearing the Nazi armband, together with students, tossing books into the fire\n>Nazi media and officers praise them\n>ACTHUALLY IT WASN'T THE NAT-ZEES\nSaddest cope so far ITT."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>216\nRight so if I'm a registered democrat and shoot a school full of mexican children that's a democrat sanctioned action despite no record of that ever being ordered"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>214\n>is not anything the same as banning him. It was never made illegal in any way.\nThat's not what the sources say. Do you have anything to back this up this claim and contradict decades of scholarship on this subject?\n\n>>215\nIt wasn't a state list however, it was a Nazi Party organ. You are the one claiming this was limited to Saxony. (With no proof of it)."}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>217\nIf a Biden Minister called for purging the poison from the libraries, Biden student youth organizations begun ransacking libraries and burning books, Democrat mayors praised them for it and they were still Party members proudly marching at rallies then yes we could say this was a Democrat-instigated action."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>218\nWolfgang Hermann was a nazi party organ?"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>220\nDie Bücherei.\nTry to keep up, we are at 1935."}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>221\nRight the list made in 1935 doesn't have the people you claim it has listed.\n\nSo are you a liar or retarded"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>222\nDie Bücherei 2:6 is a different list. You may be too dumb to follow the conversation."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>223\nSo now you're citing a third list? In order to prove the second list is actually the third list?"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>224\nI've always spoken of three lists.\nSee >>144 >>145 >>146"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>225\nOkay so if you concede that you're citing three different lists in tandem, you concede you were lying about the official list in 1935 containing somebody it didn't?"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>226\nAll three are official lists and two of them are from 1935, so no, I never lied. Darwinism is mentioned on the \"List of Harmful and Undesirable Literature\" and Haeckel is on Die Bücherei 2:6, both from 1935."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>227\n>All three are official lists\nEven if you claim this, you were claiming lists contained names they didn't, and only after me pointing out your lies did you bring up \"the three lists\""}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>218\nI literally gave you the source. The idea he was ''bannend'' isn't said anywhere but by you misinterpreting from a provincial memo that they didn't like him and were advised not to have him/publish him. even the source earlier >>59 only refers to it as guidelines (and forgets to mention it was for exactly one state) and not that it was put on any black list and thus banned to any capacity.\n>contradict decades of scholarship on this subject?\nYou're just pulling that out of your ass since you have absolutely 0 evidence to back up your claims.\n\nIf you were to look at actual scholarly research it's not that simple. In general the specific view of race based thinking he had was nearly the exact same as that of Hitler. Some National Socialists didn't like him much (though that guideline is basically the only hard evidence) but a very good amount directly saw him as a forerunner with artical and books being written about him.\n\nAs for the source. The book those guidelines came from is literally just called: Richtlinien für die Bestandsprüfung in den Volksbüchereien Sachsens"}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>228\nPlease point out where I lied.\n\n>>229\n>advised not to have him/publish him\nAKA banning.\n\nDo you have a source proving Die Bücherei was only for one state? It's described as a Nazi party organ.\n\n>You're just pulling that out of your ass since you have absolutely 0 evidence to back up your claims.\nNope, see >>59\n\nAnyway, books promoting Darwinism are also blanket-banned on the \"List of Harmful Books and Undesirable Literature\", which was nationwide.\n\n>Some National Socialists didn't like him much (though that guideline is basically the only hard evidence) but a very good amount directly saw him as a forerunner with artical and books being written about him.\nYes I've said this from the very beginning, he fell out of favor with the Nazis in 1935."}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>230\n>Please point out where I lied.\n>>41\n>>43\n>>47\n>>184"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>231\nThere's not a single lie on any of those posts. He was banned on Die Bücherei, 1935."}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>232\n>There's not a single lie\nYes you've been lying the entire thread that Haeckel was banned, when asked to provide a source you provide sources that don't list him, then claim his name is on the list when it isn't. Now you're citing another list, one that you also can't source, because you've realized that the only list you've actually provided actually proves you wrong"}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>230\n>AKA banning.\nNo it isn't. Advising means it's not a law to any capacity so it's not illegal. It was also only published in a journal. So a journal, even if it is connected to the state, saying those kind of books should be banned, is nothing close to an actual law.\n>Do you have a source proving Die Bücherei was only for one state?\nYes. Like I said. The tital already literally says it's for saxony. if you want a different source, the role of darwinism in nazi racial thought by Weikart also refers to it as a journal only published in saxony. So it was either fully available in one state or had different politcal articals for different states\n>Nope, see >>59\nRetard. I literally quoted that because that source also doesn't say it was banned. Only put on a guidelines list. A guideline is not banned (let alone a guideline in a journal). The black list were actual banned books.\n>books promoting Darwinism\nJezus chirst mate. I already pointed out here >>189 why that's just a complete lie.\n>he fell out of favor with the Nazis in 1935.\nNo he didn't. Like I also said before he was still spoken of positively after that. A whole biography got published of him in 36 where he was called a forerunner on National Socialist racial thought."}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>233\n>Yes you've been lying the entire thread that Haeckel was banned\nHoly cope. He was banned. I provided a book which mentions he was banned and some retard claimed this wasn't enough proof so I went digging for the original lists.\n\n>when asked to provide a source you provide sources that don't list him\nI provided the 1935 list because another retard argued the Nazis never banned books at all. Kek.\n\n>then claim his name is on the list when it isn't\nNever happened.\n\n>Now you're citing another list, one that you also can't source, because you've realized that the only list you've actually provided actually proves you wrong\nAnother anon posted the Die Bücherei guidelines here.\n\nhttp://ualibr-exhibits.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/burnedbooks/documents.htm\n\ntl;dr -\nDarwinism was banned in the 1935 \"List of Harmful and Undesirable Books\".\nHaeckel was banned on Die Bücherei (1935)\nScholars like Strothmann mention Haeckel was banned by name.\n\nCope, seethe and dilate."}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>235\n>the Nazis never banned books at all\nIt's arguable if they did really, the enforcement of the book bans sounds so spotty that it was pretty much random, not to mention how much it was left up to the states and local authorities"}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>234\nThere is no proof for any of your claims. Post proof or fuck off.\n\nAnd yes, the guidelines were guidelines for confiscating books, it's a de facto ban. \"To be confiscated\", quoted by Strothmann, see >>97"}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>236\nThat's not what the numerous authors on this topic claim."}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>237\nYou have still failed to provide the source for Strothmann's claims, the only source you have posted doesn't include the names you claimed it did"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>238\n>DUH NUMERDOUS AUDORS\nwell if they're as retarded as you I can understand why this historical event is so ambiguous"}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>238\nthose numerous authors were also made to look like fools when in the 90s when a bunch of information on how lenient the Gestapo had been was released."}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>239\nHaeckel is on one list.\nDarwinism is on another.\n\nBurden of proof is on you to prove the first list was not banning any books and the second list did not really extend to actual Darwinism but just \"leftist Darwinists\" or whatever cope is you are claiming."}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>242\n>Haeckel is on one list\nyou have failed to provide a single list with his name on it"}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>240\n>scholar says something\n>um acthually this is wrong, no I have no proof to why this is wrong it just is OK?\nWhy do Stormtards have so much trouble coming up with credible sources?"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>243\nhttp://ualibr-exhibits.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/burnedbooks/documents.htm"}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>244\n>can't provide evidence\n>\"scholars\" all citing the same source\n>refuse to provide that source\n>source is rare, probably because it's bullshit/nobody cares\n>double down and claim source that you can provide proves you right when it actually proves you wrong (lie)\ntranny leftist"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>246\nNever happened."}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>237\n>There is no proof for any of your claims\nI gave you the literal title and a source confirming it was only in saxony, that it was only a journal calling for it so it wasn't anything close to a ban. The book I'm speaking of praising him is Bluts- und Geistes- Erbe by Heinz Brücher, an SS Hauptsturmführer and published in 36.\nYour ''proof'' meanwhile is misreading of one quote and another taken out of context and a completle.\n\n>the guidelines were guidelines for confiscating books\nHow hard is it to understand that calling for books to be confiscated and banned in a damn journal is nothing close to an actual state sanctioned ban through law."}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>245\n>The German Students' Association (Main Office for Press and Propaganda) is conducting a propaganda campaign named \"Against the un-German Spirit\"\n>The German Students' Association\n>The German Students' Association was founded during the Weimar Republic period\nCan you provide a source that this student organization predating the formation of the nazi party was controlled by the nazi party?"}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>248\nI'm just basing myself on the only link you yourself provided. It's described as a Nazi journal for libraries (no mention of it being limited to Saxony), as part of the plan to \"cleanse\" libraries (that is, confiscate said books).\n\nDarwinism in general is also mentioned on the official 1935 List of Harmful and Undesirable Books. (This qualifies as your \"state sanctioned ban through law\")."}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>250\n>Darwinism in general is also mentioned\nAnother lie"}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>251\nSo prove your claims."}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>252\nThe specific quote is \"the darwinian theory that is fascism\", I don't know what the fuck that means but it's not strictly natural selection"}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>unknown\nyes there were multiple student unions, the one you posted was not the national socialist student union"}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>254\nBoth are mentioned on the pic, one controlled the other."}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>250\n>It's described as a Nazi journal for libraries (no mention of it being limited to Saxony)\nWhen I gave you that link I literally said the real title. You can just search that in google and find it but apperently that's a bit too difficult for you.\n>as part of the plan to \"cleanse\" libraries\nIndeed. It indicates a plan or desire to do so in this case. Not an acutal law. That's why it's a guideline in a journal, not a blacklist\n>Darwinism in general is also mentioned\nThat's just a blatant lie. It says primitive Darwinism. So old ideas of darwinism proven false (like his recapitulation theory), racial theories they just didn't agree with (which he also had some of) and most likely also including darwinism based on racial anthropology (35 was also the year the major switch from racial anthropology to genetics happend so it might very well be connected to that.)\n>This qualifies as your \"state sanctioned ban through law''\nIt doesn't, like I've repeated a million times by now. A journal calling for something is not anything of an actual ban through law."}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>255\nAnd how did this \"part\" of a student union get its orders from the nazi party, and do you have proof of these direct orders to create a list of banned books?"}, {"id": 258, "content": ">>256\n>When I gave you that link I literally said the real title. You can just search that in google and find it but apperently that's a bit too difficult for you.\nI can google just fine, I want the proof that these \"guidelines\" were just limited to Saxony.\n\n>It indicates a plan or desire to do so in this case.\nA plan to confiscate books.\n\n>That's just a blatant lie. It says primitive Darwinism.\nNo, the List of Harmful and Undesirable Books says \"Darwinism\" period.\n\n>So old ideas of darwinism proven false (like his recapitulation theory), racial theories they just didn't agree with (which he also had some of) and most likely also including darwinism based on racial anthropology (35 was also the year the major switch from racial anthropology to genetics happend so it might very well be connected to that.)\nBanning science you don't agree with is never a good thing. Now you are gonna try to compare this with the West but you can go on Amazon.com and buy the Bell Curve and similar authors just fine.\n\n>A journal calling for something is not anything of an actual ban through law.\nThe List of Harmful and Undesirable Books is a ban through law."}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>257\n>And how did this \"part\" of a student union get its orders from the nazi party\nIt was literally a wing of the Nazi Party.\n\n>do you have proof of these direct orders to create a list of banned books\nI don't need to do that, the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda created a list of banned books themselves."}, {"id": 260, "content": ">>259\n>literally a wing of the Nazi Party\n>a student union\nthat should be really easy to prove"}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>unknown\nSo you're saying that since a nazi official was the leader of a student union which published a list of books it didn't like that wasn't okayed by the german government and then staged book burnings which also weren't okayed by the german government which were largely symbolic and extremely limited in scope that means the german government banned Ernst Haeckel even though the list from the german government of banned books doesn't include him because somehow a student union is actually the nazi party because it has a nazi official running it"}, {"id": 262, "content": ">>258\n>I can google just fine, I want the proof that these \"guidelines\" were just limited to Saxony.\nThe title literally states it was for saxony and I already gave you a paper also stating it was for saxony. So I already did.\n>A plan to confiscate books.\nIn this case a plan by a journal with no actual implementation.\n>the List of Harmful and Undesirable Books says \"Darwinism\" period\nThe list you mention form 35 doesn't. The other list mentions it like a catogory like I already explained earlier. So books banned for some reason involving Darwinism. So either you are wilfully misinterperting it or you are just retarded and can't read.\n>Banning science you don't agree with is never a good thing\nIt's not just disagreable. It was completely wrong + They also didn't ban it. Secondly academic libraries had far fewer restrictions on them. They even had forbidden section where you could get the real anti-government stuff if you needed it.\n>The List of Harmful and Undesirable Books is a ban through law.\nThe blacklist was, since that was acutally implemented by the government itself. haeckel never appeared on that one. A list (it not even being a list of books) like that in 35 is not a law in any way. It's like an opinion piece in a paper."}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>261\n>a nazi official was the leader of a student union which published a list of books it didn't like\nThe German National Socialist Student's Union never published any list of books, they just did the book burnings. You seem a bit retarded.\n\nThe first list ever was published by a Nazi-affilitated librarian in 1933. The actual official lists of banned books came later, two lists in 1935 (One by the Reich Ministry of Propaganda and another list of \"Guidelines\" for \"cleansing libraries\" by the Nazi party), and a third list was published by the SS in 1941.\n\n>wasn't okayed by the german government and then staged book burnings which also weren't okayed by the german government\nThey were praised for it. Nazi officers and party members also took part as you can see on the OP webm.\n\n>that means the german government banned Ernst Haeckel even though\nNo, those are separate events. You are attempting to conflate them and make a jumbled mess because you ran out of arguments.\n\n>a student union is actually the nazi party because it has a nazi official running it\nIt's literally called the National Socialist German Student's Union. Retard."}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBook burning is necessary to prevent the reproduction of an idea second to killing the humans who still believe in that idea"}, {"id": 265, "content": ">>250\nDarwinism is not a book.\nDarwinism as a concept is also banned by the US, UK, wikipedia, and EU."}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>262\n>The title literally states it was for saxony and I already gave you a paper also stating it was for saxony. So I already did.\nThat doesn't prove it was only limited to Saxony. It's just the original title. The scholars that investigated this, list Haeckel as being banned.\n\n>In this case a plan by a journal with no actual implementation.\nThis is what I want, proof that it was never implemented.\n\n>The list you mention form 35 doesn't. The other list mentions it like a catogory like I already explained earlier. So books banned for some reason involving Darwinism. So either you are wilfully misinterperting it or you are just retarded and can't read.\nIf it was only a few books why would they mention \"Darwinism\"? Why not just the authors and books?\n\n>They also didn't ban it.\nProof?\n\n>The blacklist was, since that was acutally implemented by the government itself. haeckel never appeared on that one.\nNo, just Darwinism.\n\n>It's like an opinion piece in a paper.\nNo, it's an official Nazi guideline as part of their second campaign to \"cleanse\" libraries."}, {"id": 267, "content": ">>193\nYou have been provided with them and you deny the evidence."}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>266\n>That doesn't prove it was only limited to Saxony\nThe titel from the original 35 source literally saying it was for Saxony sure as hell means it was for saxony.\n>The scholars that investigated this, list Haeckel as being banned\nNo they don't. They basically always refer to him being mentioned on that list from 35, that list doesn't indicate he was banned but that at least some people didn't like him, I've not seen any source yet say he was actually banned, just put on that list which called for but didn't actually ban anything.\n>This is what I want, proof that it was never implemented.\n>Proof?\nIf he was banned, he would be on the black list, which he wasn't, so he wasn't banned. You claim he was banned, your source is only a guidline from 35 which wasn't a law but just published in a jounral and thus not proof of anything. So you have no proof he was ever banned.\n>Why not just the authors and books?\nThe literally mention the books under that. Stating Darwinism simply gives a reason why they were banned.\n>No, just Darwinism.\nAs a catogory.\n>No, it's an official Nazi guideline as part of their second campaign to \"cleanse\" libraries.\nAha, A guidline, so no law, in a jounral.\nLet me make it clearer to you. If you have a newspaper which is funded by the government and they publish an opinion piece saying that National Socialist books like mein kampf should be banned, does this mean it's an actual law the government has? no of course not. A jounral calling for something without any government implementation is not a law."}, {"id": 269, "content": ">>267\nI'm not denying the evidence you ape. I'm simply asking for a detailed list. You fuckers have done it in the past with communists, mainstream media, government officials, etc. Why not the banned authors? Is it really that hard?"}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>269\nfuck, off nonce chimp"}, {"id": 271, "content": ">>269\nBecause the banned authors reveal what morons the Nazi were. I mean they banned Bohr... and even in music, stuff like Debussy.\n\nWhy do Nazis hate Western civilization so much?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/qNoq240t54I [Embed]"}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>191\nThey banned HG Wells because he wrote a socialist book named The Outline of History: Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind where he rejected all theories of racial and civilizational superiority."}, {"id": 273, "content": ">>271\n>Bohr\nProbably because he was Jewish and helped refugees escape. Probably was banned after he feld when they tried to arrest him.\n>Debussy\nMarried a Jew"}, {"id": 274, "content": ">>273\nPathetic\n\nhttps://youtu.be/CvFH_6DNRCY [Embed]"}, {"id": 275, "content": ">>271\n>DE NAHTZEES WERE LE DUMB\n>okay? why?\n>DEY BANNED COMMUNISM LIDERADURE\nand that's bad... why?"}, {"id": 276, "content": ">>263\n>The German National Socialist Student's Union never published any list of books\nyour source is literally a list produced by the student union, is it not? Or once again are you posting about a source that you don't even know what it is"}, {"id": 277, "content": ">>250\n>they hated Bauhaus\nOh no, but he was the progenitor of all ugly soulless corporate art we have today, why were the Nazis so evil that they wanted to take that from us?"}, {"id": 278, "content": ">>268\nYou haven't provided a single source saying the second round of cleansing of libraries was never followed through. I don't see why it wouldn't. The sources I've posted say it was followed through, that it was a de facto ban (the books were to be \"confiscated\" as per Strothmann).\n\n>>276\nNo, if you are talking about this list, it was published by the Reich Ministry of Propaganda. >>147\n\n>>277\nNazi and fascist futurism was just as souless.\n\nhttps://historycollection.com/day-history-sitting-bull-surrenders/\n\nI'm posting the \"nicest\" building on the list so that you see I'm not being biased. Souless trash."}, {"id": 279, "content": ">>278\nNo I'm not talking about that, and you know that you retarded commie"}, {"id": 280, "content": ">>279\nNone of the lists I posted came from any student organization, I don't know where you are getting this from schizo.\n\n1933 list came from a Nazi-affiliated librarian, was adopted as a black list in Prussia.\n1935 list came from the German Ministry of Propaganda.\nThe 1935 guidelines came from the Nazi party.\nThe 1941 list came from the SS."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Okay haters, since you're so smart let's see YOU come up with a better way to rapidly industrialize a backwards country while equitably distributing wealth."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nindustrialization is good because?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe peasants can enrich themselves."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">blocks your path"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">enters the chat"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBreak up the territory into competing states within the federation. Whoever produces more will be given a moderate reward in federal grants for that quarter or year.\nMake sure to provide the states with some basic trading chances and watch as some limited free market industry emerges in competition"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Pound broadcast four times a week from 1940 until Mussolini's arrest in July 1943, starting with the words: \"Europe calling, Ezra Pound speaking.\" He blamed Jews for the economic conditions he believed had caused the war and described the US president as Franklin D Frankfurter Jewsfeld and the Chinese leader as Chiang Kike Chek."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nSo you can defend your country against industrialized ones"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nAre there any examples of this? America maybe?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nChina actually has a regional competition sort of economic system like that to promote growth between provincial leaders, except it maintains a politically unitary system and the centralized benefits that come with it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\n>>5\nwell, yeah, i could make everyone rich if the us gave me the money"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLenins NEP was wise, Stalin was despotic slavery master and Mao was even worse. Only Deng Xiaoping has succeeded in superpower level industrialization."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>communism only good when capitalism"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>communism can only come after capitalsm\nftfy"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nCapitalism is a necessary stage of development just like feudalism was."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>>15\nok... china is capitalist enough now... time for communism... xi...?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI won't because it is a retarded idea to begin with."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nKinda. Federal funding to states is a haggle based on the needs of the state as compared to the power of the fed. For example, highway and interstate funding from the federal government is often used as a bartering chip to keep states in line. Montana only has a speed limit because of this reason, Wyoming has negligible state taxes for this reason, etc. It goes both ways tho - different states can receive different amounts of funds from the fed based on the unique need - an example of this is large amounts of federal expenditures on silver from Colorado, in the 1880s; this was done because a price deflation of silver would devalue like 80% of the state economy. Today, the fed tries to incentivize diversified economies for a wide variety of reasons related to everything from political stability to defense of offshoring"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA way which doesn’t involve a collapse of my country and ideology less than 70 years later ;^)"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nAgreed, the economic model which caused the collapse of the USSR was a disaster"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Communist complaining about subversion\nThe irony is papabile"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>capitalism causes people to become gay tranny capeshit loving kneelers\n>\"clearly the country that collapsed 30 years ago is to blame for this\"\nglobohomo mental gymnastics are beyond comprehension"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\nWhy would you want to? Being conquered by an industrialized power tends to be a good thing for the victim in the long run. You get free infrastructure, courtesy of your conqueror, and your people get imported to the conquering country as cheap labor where they gradually subvert the country over the course of a couple generations.\n\nJust look at the story of India. Less than 200 years after being conquered by the UK, India is free again, and is one of the world's great powers, while an Indian rules over the UK as their Prime Minister."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>capitalism causes people to become gay tranny capeshit loving kneelers\nCould please speak in English"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>16\ntrue communism in 2 more weeks"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>communist gaslights himself and others as to where this source of degeneracy is coming from\nAll you can expect."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\nChina and Russia got nothing positive out of being fucked by the industrialized west."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\n>capitalism causes increased rates of homosexuality, transexuality, vapid consumerist media, and worship of social justice movements\n>you blame the ussr, which hasn't existed in 30 years, for these recent developments"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>All progressives who wormed their way into power were inspired by Western Marxists and the Frankfurt School\n>No you can't blame the communists"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nwhat the fuck do weimar kikes have to do with marx"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>anti-bolshevik western marxists are why it's Stalin's fault that I jack off to trannies"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>That wasn't real communism"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\n>Franklin D Frankfurter Jewsfeld and the Chinese leader as Chiang Kike Chek.\nMy sides. /pol/ tier discourse."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nthat wasn't any political movement, they were an academic group, frankfurt SCHOOL, not frankfurt movement"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nWell yeah, they never held any power so how were they real communists and not just western academia LARPers? Real communists were in the USSR, China etc."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nhe was 100% correct"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nMost of their work is the backbone of Progressivism and various leftist social movements"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAgain, please explain how progressives/sjw copying weimar kikes has anything to do with Russians copying Marx."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>Russians"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nYes, I've seen the /pol/ pictures. Even believed them at one point. Stalin purged all the kikes."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nWhat's the point of being a right wing communist\nJust be fascist it's more ideological coherent"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">while equally distributing wealth\nNeither of them did this, so I see no reason to be burdened with the pretense. I immitate Meiji Japan."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nwe are not talking about stalin were are talking about communism being a jewish movement."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nFascism is cucked to capitalists no matter how much they LARP socialist aesthetics."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nFrom what I've gathered from your posts you are a /pol/tard that got memed into thinking Communism was Le Based because they didn't like Homos and Jews"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>41\nI believe Hitler just collaborated with/exacerbated capitalism. Plus I don't think fascist militarism/expansionism is compatible with global harmony.\nBasically, fascism is content with half the world being untermensch puppets, I want the whole world to be free nations.\n>>43\nA lot of Jews were drawn to communism because Jews look for any tool they can to subvert society, but Marx was anti-Jew, Stalin was anti-Jew, and current socialists are against the ZOG.\nWestern Marxists, progressives, the people you're talking about, are useful idiots that the Jews have deceived. Never is this more evident than when you ask them if ending capitalism or ending racism is more important."}, {"id": 47, "content": "There's no need to \"rapidly\" industrialize though. Revamping a country at the cost of millions of deaths is idiotic and pointless. Killing off your labor is counterproductive."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\ni didn't call marx or stalin a jew I called early bolshevism jewish and most people involved with socialism today inadvertently or not support non white immigration into european land."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nI disagree with you that Marxism is inherently Jewish. But I agree that there was a large contingent of Jews in the early Bolshevik movement, this was because Jews were one of the only literate and marginalized minority in the Russian Empire. For the same reason there was a disproportionately large contingent of Balts in the early Bolshevik movement, because they were also a marginalized literate group.\n\nThe people involved in \"socialism\" today in the West are useful idiots who have no consistency with what they claim to believe in. They \"support workers\", but also support immigration that lowers domestic wages, that's an inconsistency. They \"support the third world\", but are happy to import skilled laborers from foreign countries, causing a brain drain there. They \"oppose capitalism\", but when a company changes its logo to a rainbow they then support it. These are all inconsistencies between what they say they are and what they actually are. Useful idiots.\n\nBut Marx was against Jews, he used it as an insult, he wrote \"on the Jewish question\", he was very aware of who they were and what they did. Equally, the Western ruling system is controlled by Jews. Everything bad in the world today stems from them, and so you see it would be an inconsistency for me to defend the system they rule, capitalism."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>Communism is Le Based because it's against the Juice.\n>Please ignore all the Jewish communists\n>Stalin purged some Jews so that means every Communist was an anti semite\n>The Jews and Glowies would undermine Communist nations with Liberalism but the reverse wouldn't happen because reasons\n>Jews can't subvert Communist nations because...because they can't ok\n>Is against Globohomo while supporting the The Internationale which is basically the same thing but with a hammer and sickle"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>>Stalin purged some Jews so that means every Communist was an anti semite\nI mean, yeah. Before Stalin there were tons of Jews in the socialist movement, then he exiled/purged them all, and every future communist state/movement was either ethnically protected from Jewish subversion (China, DPRK, Vietnam) or a Stalinist satellite (Eastern Europe, Cuba) that inherited his policies.\nDon't get me wrong, the early USSR was incredibly Jewish, many of their key concepts (New Soviet man, internationalism) were Jewish and many of the leaders (Trotsky in particular) were Jewish, but he ended all of that.\n>The Jews and Glowies would undermine Communist nations with Liberalism but the reverse wouldn't happen because reasons\n>Jews can't subvert Communist nations because...because they can't ok\nYour strawman contradicts itself. The USSR got subverted into the Jew's regime (Capitalism), the Jews wouldn't subvert the US away from their own system."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>rapidly\nmaybe don't be a declared existential threat to stronger countries and you won't have to hurry so inefficiently\n>industrialize a backwards country\njust let the inhabitants do it\n>while equitably distributing wealth\nnot a honest or even acceptable goal."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Equitably distributing wealth\nYou believe in fantasies nigga"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>29\nThe Frankfurt school was anti-communist.\nThey attacked Marxism itself."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\nThere is when you're under threat.\nThe Russians feared being invaded by the West again, China feared being invaded by Russia and the US itself.\nIf you're peaceful and isolated, sure take your time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The only empire in history to…get up and walk away from its possessions\nWeird."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut predicted by its adversaries:\n>>unknown →\n>>unknown →\n>>unknown →\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Interestingly, Conservatives didn't abandon the notion of empire until they were forced to. While Labour largely accepted it (releasing India in 1947) the Conservatives tried to keep it going unilaterally as late as the Suez crisis, at which point both the Americans and the Soviets teamed up to stop them being a third force in the world."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell you could become retarded like Portugal"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Suez crisis\nWhat a shit show that was."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>you could become based like Portugal\nYes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>portugal itself is third world tier and wastes its resources trying to keep useless colonies"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nBetter than competing in how to become more homosexual and brown than everyone else the fastest, there is literally no other alternative"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWho would the Portuguese need to compete to be more brown when they already are brown?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>lose horribly\n>domestic media says you gave it all up\nAre brits really this retarded? You guys LOST your empire. You didn't give shit up. Kennedy slapped you silly."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere wasn't much they could regarding material situation. Do you really think the US was going to loan them the money to rebuild their fleet and continue being the dominant Western power? Lol\n>>8\nColonialism is the reason you have brown people in your countries in the first place retard. The final redpill about colonialism is that leftists are unironically right about it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nalt history is fun too I guess..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nDo you guys not have wikipedia in Bongland? Lost to fucking Egypt ahahahaha."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nConvenient crop north of the \"political victory\" shlomo. Care to share the military result? Because I believe it says \"coalition victory\"."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nlmfao nafrican using some very careful editing right there."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nWho cares about the military result you fucking idiot? You lost.\nDid America win Vietnam?\nNot Egypts fault they're willing to take more dmg."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nLOL did you think no one would notice the convenient omission of the entire result?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>>15\n>>17\n>Resignation of Prime Minister and end of Britain's role as a superpower\n>N-no you just don't get it we were winning but b-b-bb\nBhabaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUSA did it a few times."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>h-heh thats not the point!\nYou said \"lost to egypt\". Toxic altruism and jewish political maneuvering resulted in what amounts to willful ejection of territories, not a \"defeat\". Why are brown people so fucking stupid lol"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>10\n>You didn't give shit up. Kennedy slapped you silly.\n>>20\nCan you not read fucking english hahahahaha"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\nThe end of their empire started long before the year 1940."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n>>16\nWhy are you samefagging?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\n>>18\n>>21\nWhy are you samefagging?"}, {"id": 25, "content": "I can’t remember who the quote was from but it was some Vietnam guy other than Ho Chi Minh and I might not get it quite right but he said something like “we will win. A nation being born is willing to sacrifice the best and brightest of its young men. A crumbling empire is only willing to sacrifice its non commissioned officers.”"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nAngloids still eternally assmad that Viet rice farmers have more heart and soul than their entire island."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nWow how admirable, it's willing to sacrifice its people to make its other people live in a miserable soviet style dictatorship. Angloids BTFO."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe existence of the British Empire is weird in of itself. The British seemingly acquired an empire by accident and held onto it rather reluctantly. In my opinion, the British didn’t seem to go out of their way to establish an empire. They were just competing with the other Europeans and pursued their economic interests, and they came out on top. Their power really came from their navy and they were comfortable with a sort of informal empire. Their physical expansion came from blunting the power of their rivals after wars, like taking South Africa from the Dutch, and then from ambitious private actors pushing for expansion, like India. Then they had a bunch of colonies, but these were established by colonization and Brits moving to mostly empty lands for personal and economic reasons—it’s not quite the same as state-sponsored conquest. If they really wanted to expand rapidly and aggressively into every part of the world, then they would have taken over so much more land. But, from my reading of British History, there are so many times where the British could have jumped the gun and taken land but they didn’t. They could have conquered huge swathes of Africa, for instance, way before anyone else and defeated any French attempt to fight back, but they just didn’t. They sort of meandered through the times and took land reluctantly to safeguard other interests that they reluctantly acquired, like Egypt. Reading their history too, their government is constantly whining about how much money things will cost and they seem very reluctant to put money into conquest, despite being one of the richest countries in the world by Napoleon. I think the British were just a mercantile people with a great navy at a time when a good navy meant dominating the wider world; they weren’t really trying to conquer the world but just make some money and move off that rainy island. And also avoid being conquered by Catholics on the continent."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>11\n>Colonialism is the reason you have brown people in your countries in the first place retard. The final redpill about colonialism is that leftists are unironically right about it.\nLol no. It’s because of globalism and liberalism. If western countries didn’t want browns coming into their countries, then they wouldn’t be allowed in, regardless of the past."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\ncuck"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>globalism and liberalism\nLogical conclusions of the so called \"\"\"Enlightenment\"\"\"\" that led to the notion that Europe had some moral imperative to uplift other races. Which then led to the next few centuries of babysitting cash sinks."}, {"id": 32, "content": "The only reason to have a colonial empire was to extract resources for production back home\n\nEven before WW2 the political landscape of a Britain saw colonies as a burden rather than some integral part of things\n\nBefore, during and after WW2. The USA was the biggest investment British capital was made in and vice versa.\n\nIf you think of it like a videgame then yeah. Losing colonies is bad. But in reality... you literally extracted their resources the same way, often cheaper side the governments were third world despots who didn’t care to institute things like a minimum wage. And who could be bribed easily via “foreign aid”.\n\nThe only difference is there is now no moral or political obligation to try and give the people of bongobongoland the same quality of life as the British mainland.\n\nThe other big reason to have colonies is to have essentially a captive market to sell your industrial goods to. India being the biggest and most lucrative\n\nHowever Britain had long been transitioning from an industrial producer to the financial businesses, the service industry and more high tech intelligence products. None of these require huge captive markets.\n\nI really think people get taught so much about empires in school that they don’t get taught about what the actual public and political opinion on them was\n\n1900 onwards was certainly a major turning point. Britain didn’t give independence to Canada, Australia and New Zealand for fun. They did it because it made sense"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nEurope wasn’t spurred on by “high minded” moral imperatives though. There were absolutely economic bonuses and advantages gained by colonizing the Americas and establishing trade outposts in the Far East. As for the actual cash sinks like Africa, that was spurred on by greed and trying to prevent other powers from getting a piece of the pie. At first, they genuinely thought that Africa would (1) provide a ton of good natural resources and (2) provide whole new markets for manufacturing good. And some people like Leopold II actually made a shit ton of money off it. There were moral veneers to taking parts of Africa, and it’s true, but Rhodes wasn’t driven by helping nigs—he wanted diamonds.\nRegardless, none of this is why browns are allowed in. Again, if our politicians didn’t want them here, then they wouldn’t be here."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nYeah. African colonisation really was a very brief thing with no return on investment all things considered.\n\n>The 10 percent of Africa that was under formal European control in 1870 increased to almost 90 percent by 1914, with only Liberia and Ethiopia remaining independent\n\nThat 10% in 1870 was mostly North Africa too.\n\nBefore the invention of Quinine. No white man could even go into inner Africa because they’d just die of malaria. Something Africans had long since evolved to mostly survive (hence blacks getting sickle cell disease)\n\nAfter the invention of quinine. The scramble for Africa began. Not because of any immediate idea of profit but like you said\n\n>no european coloniser wanted to lose out on potential strategic territory or resources\n>even if they didn’t want it later, they could trade it as a bargaining chip\n>grander social ideas like spreading Christianity and “civilising” the savages being popular notions for many people and politicians\n\nPlus the general idea that to bend nature and the world to mans will. You must control it directly. Rhode’s biggest hope and dream wasn’t to convert everyone to Christianity or genocide. He just wanted British colonies to all connect from South Africa to Egypt in order to build one big railway and telegraph through it all"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do Rosicrucians actually believe?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey believe in a god called Rosicrus"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you believe in gravity, dinosaurs, molecules, evolution or space, Rosicrucians wanted you to. None of that shit is real but what it secretly represents gives them extremely powerful magickal abilities."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nI should have specified real answers only"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_College"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRosicrucians were esoteric and quite syncretic, it emerged as an anonymous group based around writing sof a certain \"Christian Rosenkreuz\". It combines elements of Sufism, Western Esotericism and Protestantism and be ause they were esoteric they didnt had single and describable theology and the fact they were syncretic and actually not a single group means they didnt had a single teaching.\nThey often hid under name \"Protetanism\" to hide, made Catholics believe that Rosicrucians are in cooperation with Protestants and they work with each other."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nRoscrus was not their deity, he was their anonymous legendary ideologer.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rosenkreuz?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nsounds based"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nif you enjoy gnosticism, unreatrained knowledge and freemasonry; they are alrighty. Sadly i enjoy none of them therefore i just see them as some rich people fooled themselves, eimilar to how i look at New Age money traps such as \"Goop\"."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nwhat's gnostic about it?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nbased schizo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When did /his/ get colonized by /n/fags. There's too many train and \"le walkable city\" shill threads"}, {"id": 2, "content": "what like one a month?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nEven one is too many. Trains are for retards and need to be outlawed"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is the first thread I've seen talking about trains since I can remember."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n\nthe absolute state of train apologists"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntwo people died in the train crash you posted while in that same year 36,560 people died in car crashes"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor every \"/n/ shill\" thread there are 20 off-topic /pol/-/news/ threads that have nothing to do with history or humanities. /n/ is definitely not the problem here."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThis."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrains are for autists. Seems like a natural fit."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI LOVE living in NYC the original Walkable City(tm).\n\nIt’s just GREAT taking 45 minutes to travel 3 miles in a subway that reeks like shit and piss while being harassed by insane people and criminals."}, {"id": 11, "content": "I would happily accept twice or even three times the number of train / urban planning threads if it meant losing even half the religion threads."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>>8\n>>11\n>X IS BAD SO DONT TALK ABOUT Y\n\nNot an argument /n/iggers"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI didn't say don't talk about it, I said I'd welcome it if it meant getting rid of religion threads."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe era of train barons and the development of railroads is kino as fuck and I'm tired of pretending it's not.\n\nI don't give a fuck about modern souless \"trains\" though. I like steam and noise.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZmmdSAqWpM [Embed]"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nmore sounds for you fren\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRAK0CTiOX0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nv nice"}, {"id": 17, "content": "truly-walkable cities, unfortunately, rest firmly in the domain of history"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wish trolleys were a thing still outside of San Francisco. That would be fun to have trolleys just going everywhere."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nThere was a Scouting trip or something where we saw Carnegie or Rockefeller’s personal train cars from the 30s. They were really nice too. Like a miniature ballroom/ dining room inside a car."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nBoth are the problem and janny should do his fucking job"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nAgreed; but I do have to ask. Are threads about race considered \"humanities\"? They seem a bit out of place imo."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nTrain threads are a problem? I have never seen one. What’s even your problem with trains?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>3\nBased /o/ chad. Fuck commie /n/iggers."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nIt can. But, the problem is that they try to shoehorn 'science.'\nIf we're talking about it in terms of being anthropological groups, then that would be fine."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>15\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pqd6StKy3KU&pp=ygUTb3VyIGxvY29tb3RpdmUgcmVkcw%3D%3D [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\nSounds like trains aren't the problem here"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>15\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GI-K4aCqCbk&pp=ygUMRWNoZWxvbiBzb25n [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nUnironically how many train threads are there a month? I see one, maybe two and they die with less 10 posts"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nWe need more. The trains threads are being surpressed by the big coal companies.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw [Embed]"}, {"id": 30, "content": "Trains are more effective in war then cars so since /his/ likes to talk about war they are biased towards them."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCa/n/cer infects every board.\n\nThey worship the state so they think you should only be allowed where corporate and public transit allows you to go and only when the corpos and state lets you travel."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>10\n>LOVE living in NYC the original Walkable City(tm).\nImagine being this wrong and retarded"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrains are living history. Look at pic related, Pennsylvania Railroad T1 5550 which is currently being rebuild by a shit ton of 4chan autists who are getting funding from normie autists"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>14\nI wish there was more train /his/ instead of “trains are for commies” and “why can’t we have high speed rail like the rest of the world?” Pic isn’t the Wild West but upper Manhattan in the 1870s."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nI wish we had more art deco trains. Everything is either remarkably bland or walking advertisements for shit like Marvel"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>7\n>>11\n>>22\n>>28\n>>29\n/n/igger threads\n>>unknown →\n>>unknown →"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nI’m a massive steamfag but the Art Deco streamliner era was peak rail, and of course there was streamlined steam."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeething cageoid"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nThat 30s design is really neat. I'd love to see one of these go back into commission."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>There's too many train and \"le walkable city\" shill threads\nI'd say there's not enough. Trains are zooming gigachad vehicles reking the everlasting shit out of your gay sojatruck.\n>yeehaw i got big truck i gon drive while the signal's on like a cowb-ACK"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nArt deco is a bit later than the style I prefer which is that of the Gilded Age. Link related\n\nhttps://www.sarasotamagazine.com/arts-and-entertainment/2017/07/riding-the-rails-of-history-with-john-ringling-s-wisconsin\n\nThis might have been the rail museum I visited though I could swear it was Andrew Carnegie's personal railcar which is what we saw."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>31\n>>36\nHonestly, I would rather have another /n/ thread then another schizo thread about Hitler being a Muslim. At least you learn something cool about trains and design.\n\nBut as always: Cars > Trains"}, {"id": 43, "content": "I bike to work :)"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Why yes, I do worship the creation rather than the creator."}, {"id": 2, "content": "There is no creator. Universe has always existed with no beginning."}, {"id": 3, "content": "By doing this you create atheists and therefore you create suffering which spawns directly from you, the creature with free will"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nTheres no definitive proof that theory is true, just speculation actually"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>Universe has always existed with no beginning.\nPeople don't actually believe this, right? Even if you're an atheist you'd have to acknowledge \"something\" came first."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nit started as a half-assed rebuttal against big bang theory it just still continues just to be contrarian.\nagainst laws of physics?\nagainst academical consensus?\nagainst basic human logic?\nwho cares! Being contrarian is fun!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Americans b needing chainmail n shit\nlmao"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe part of creation you enjoy is sustaine directly by the creator\n\nHe can undo, just choses not to, therefore youre worshipping our creator because youre worshiping his direct action happening in real time"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>academical consensus\n>basic human logic\n\nYou need to pick one, I guess you probably took the vaccine didnt you?\n\nOur trustworthy, neverwrong experts right?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt doesn't matter what you want. All of you will bow. But you're better off learning sooner than later."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>You need to pick one, I guess you probably took the vaccine didnt you?\nand you think a theory is same thing as a hypothesis, you are a literal pseudointellectual."}, {"id": 12, "content": "\"What is God to you?\"\n\n\"Not everything.\"\n\n\"Not everything could also be something. For example, not everything could be half of something, which is still something, and therefore not nothing.\"\n\n-A.I., the Creation of Man"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>Even if you're an atheist you'd have to acknowledge \"something\" came first.\nNope. Everything makes more sense if you accept there is no beginning.\nEven if youre a Christcuck, you run into the problem \"what created Yahweh?\""}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nI feel bad for you\n\nYou missed the point, just consider yourself the pseudointellectual one\n\nNo, obeying the academia doesnt make you an intellectual lol"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>Everything makes more sense if you accept there is no beginning.\n>what created God\nEverything makes more sense if you accept there is no beginning of God."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWhat if the whole ass timeline was created by God\n\nAs in there was no beginning, before God created time"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nThat’s unfair that concept is too complex for Reddit atheists"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>No, obeying the academia doesnt make you an intellectual lol\nneither being a contrarian to every single issue lol.\nWhat are you to try to debunk a well established theory just to be contrarian?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nLike imagine you want to have a fishbowl with fishes so the fishes can do as they please in this fishbowl, it can grow mature and reproduce until infinity (assuming you keep on sustaining their existance and the fish \"never truly die\")\n\nWe have to assume water is time, we exist inside it, before it was pour onto the fishbowl there wasnt water, there werent fishes\n\nIts hard to think outside of time but that may explain prophecies aswell like the book of revelation\n\nLike a quantum computer that can predict what will likely happen in set amount of time because It can calculate the direction things heading towards the the things they will generate therefore creating said scenario at certain point"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>neither being a contrarian to every single issue lol.\n\nOh you nigger child, you still miss the point\n\n>well established theory\n\nThere are well established things that are incredibly harmful for human beings\n\nMost recently the \"transgender theory\" and how working 10 hours a day for 7 days while watching tiktok for the rest of the day is perfectly normal and healthy\n\nPeople like you are unable to see an issue, because your precious academia hasnt said anyting agaisnt it\n\nBecause you havent been fed such information, like a lazy dog who cant do anything but wait for their master to give them their slop"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\n>>20\nDespite all of this I feel compassion for you\n\nThere are many like you and many of you are headed towards ignorance\n\nNot because you ever decided to but because ever since you were a child it was imposed onto you"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\n>>20\n>>21\nAll of this I can summarize\n\nDo your own research, do not put all of your knowledge in the hands of academia\n\nTheyre more vile than you realize\n\nYoure like a person thinking his goverment is absolutely flawless\n\nGood luck, I genuinely say this"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nNTA, but I have to interject here: These sorts of concepts strike me as being far too complex when the much simpler explanation is that the universe and reality as we know it originated in in the big bang and we simply don't know what happened before hand. All this theological and philosophical talk honestly just seems like a bunch of overly glorified intellectual masturbation to me."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\n>Everything makes more sense if you accept there is no beginning of God.\nNope. Explain to me what existence was like before \"1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.\"? You cant because its impossible. In an infinite universe, you accept that everything you think of it can be taken back further.\n\nIm not even arguing which one is correct, im just stating its objectively easier to comprehend an infinite universe than God.\n\n>>16\nNothing created time. Time always exists. What you are proposing is an old jewish man pondered for a little bit about creating time. The pondering itself is time."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>just seems like a bunch of overly glorified intellectual masturbation to me.\n\nOh you silly nigger what do you think the big bang theory is\n\nJust because it doesnt include God it isnt some overly glorified intellectual masturbation?\n\nIntellect is good, there is nothing better on earth than mixing intellect with God\n\nNow I know God exists because Ive seen things that are not possibly explained by normal modern science\n\nI 100% was an atheist like you\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soCkftBBsBo [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nWhat if pondering can be done in different manner\n\nWe think because there is time and our thoughs can \"move\" through time to get to a conclusion\n\nWhat if there just IS, when there is no time"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>Now I know God exists because Ive seen things that are not possibly explained by normal modern science\n>proceeds to post \"eucharist miracles\"\nYou are being swayed by con artists."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>You are being swayed by con artists\n\n>Thats false just because I said so\n\n>If it were true my trustworthy 100% reliable educational system would have surely told me about it\n\nLol, good point you make\n\nYeah eucharist miracles are just a small part of it, its actually everywhere\n\nOnce you know God does exist, and dimensions adjacent but connected to ours exist then you being to understand this universe"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>You are being swayed by con artists.\n\nBy the way scientists studied those, many in fact\n\nProfessionals, Idk how much of a contrarian retard you have to be to just not accept the truth\n\nIts good to be skeptical but its another to just close your eyes and not even give a chance to reason and evidence\n\nThere is too much evidence God exists"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\n>What if pondering can be done in different manner\nGo on. Describe it.\nYou cant because it doesnt make sense. And again, im not arguing which is more correct. Im saying that an infinite universe where time always exists is the most logical comprehensible idea there is than compared to what christcucks propose.\n\n>>28\n>Once you know God does exist, and dimensions adjacent but connected to ours exist then you being to understand this universe\nyou are mentally ill."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>There is too much evidence God exists\n\nThe same way there was a lot of evidence cells and atoms existed even back 2000 years ago\n\nIt is everywhere, they just didnt had the means nor the education to know and of course just thought atoms and cells were fantastic concepts\n\nMuch like the existance of God is fantastic to many"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nI think you may have mental retardation\n\n>it doesnt make sense\n\nDoes math make sense to a 1 year old?\n\nYou have such inmense retardation"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>By the way scientists studied those, many in fact\nYet, these \"miracles\" are NEVER published on reputable science news outlet, its always CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY DOT COM that talks about these miracles.\nThese Eucharist miracles have only been studied once and case closed. The Catholic church will never let multiple unbiased laboratories examine these crackers.\nSorry, but you are a retard. And you were tricked by con artists."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nDescribe\n>What if pondering can be done in different manner\nExplain how \"pondering in a different manner\" makes more sense than an infinite universe where time always exists."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>These Eucharist miracles have only been studied once and case closed\n\nTheyve been studied multiple times\n\nYou absolute ass donkey retard\n\nAgain its good to be skeptical\n\nYoure just making shit up to be a contrarian"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>13\nWouldnt the entire universe or at least a bit part of it be colonized by now if the universe was eternal?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>Theyve been studied multiple times\nShow me a cracker from a Eucharist miracle that Catholics are openly letting any science in the world study to see if it breaks the laws of physics."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nWell if there is a creature that exists beyond human limitation\n\nThat is in fact more conscious than a human brain (the human brain that can fit inside a bucket, its very small)\n\nPondering can probably be done in different manner\n\nOur whole idea of \"thought\" could be absolutely different for a being that exists in a different plane of reality or just think of an alien"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>Wouldnt the entire universe or at least a bit part of it be colonized by now if the universe was eternal?\nUniverse being eternal =/ the Universe is the same as it was before the big bang.\n\nbtw, if you say the big bang is creation of everything, im not replying because you are a retard."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Pondering can probably be done in different manner\ndescribe it please."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nWhy do I have to show a mentally retarded person like you these studies\n\nYou have a brain, you have hands\n\nYou can do your own research instead of making shit up like the imbecile you absolutely are\n\nUnderstand that youre retarded\n\nAnd again these miracles are just the tip of the iceberg, there are thousands more"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>Why do I have to show a mentally retarded person like you these studies\nThe burden of proof is on you. Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence.\n\n>And again these miracles are just the tip of the iceberg, there are thousands more\n>\"MUH MEDIEVAL JEW RAG\""}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nWhy would a brain that exists inside time be able to describe thought outside of time\n\nWhy would a 3D creature be able to describe wha a 4D creature sees\n\nYou absolute retard lol"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence.\n\nThe evidence is right there you absolute fucking full blown retard\n\nAgain all it takes is for you to look at it, search it"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's nothing chad about worshipping something with no power. Stop using memes you don't get retard."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\n>>\"MUH MEDIEVAL JEW RAG\"\n\nIdk the evidence is right there for you, miracles may actually happen all the time in different magnitudes\n\nYou may have mental retardation\n\nAll you have to do is research for a few seconds and you will get to the evidence"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\n>Why would a brain that exists inside time be able to describe thought outside of time\nWhy would there exist anything outside of time? How do you know something exists outside of time?\n\nand, for fucks sake, once again, this isnt about which view is more correct, i am saying that AN INFINITE UNIVERSE WITH INFINITE TIME IS MORE EASILY EXPLAINABLE THAN SOMETHING WITHOUT TIME\n\n>>44\n>The evidence is right there you absolute fucking full blown retard\nIs the Catholic church allowing any scientist in the world right now to examine the cracker?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>miracles may actually happen all the time in different magnitudes\npost said miracles please.\n\n>inb4 gOoGle iT, ReSeArCh It"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>Why would there exist anything outside of time?\n\nWhy wouldnt it, what makes you think all you see and percieve is all there is?\n\nWhen in reality the universe is interacting and moving beyond your comprehension\n>>47\n>Is the Catholic church allowing any scientist in the world right now to examine the cracker?\n\nYou would know if you google it, it is 3 seconds away from your grasp\n\nYou know instead of making shit up in order to fir your limited understanding of reality\n\nYou could actually check for yourself"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">Why yes, I do worship the creation rather than the creator. AHHHHHH"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>post said miracles please.\n\nI already did\n\nAlso why would you ask me this instead of researching them yourself?\n\nAre you handicap? Do you have mental limitations?\n\nI know you do but Jesus, have so dignity"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>When in reality the universe is interacting and moving beyond your comprehension\nEvidence please.\n\n>You would know if you google it, it is 3 seconds away from your grasp\npost it then.\n\nPost the Catholic church saying \"we are allowing any scientist to take the cracker and examine it\""}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>I already did\nall you posted were bogus Eucharist miracles and cant defend them\n\nPost me a Eucharist miracle from a reputable science website. Not CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY DOT COM."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>25\n>>Oh you silly nigger what do you think the big bang theory is?\nThe best possible explanation we currently have for the current state of the universe.\n>>blahblahblah God, Jebus and Jebus magic blahdefuckingblahblah\nThat's nice retard."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nmad"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>52\nYou need evidence in order to realize the universe is interacting and moving beyond your comprehension\n\nMate Ive told you a couple of times but\n\nYou may have mental retardation"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nWhy do you hate God?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>53\n>all you posted were bogus Eucharist miracles and cant defend them\n\nThe defence is there\n\nYou just havent watched it lol"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>You need evidence in order to realize the universe is interacting and moving beyond your comprehension\nYES Why should i believe there exists anything outside our comprehension? You have zero proof anything is."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nI watched it. No proof at all."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>YES Why should i believe there exists anything outside our comprehension?\n\nHAHAHAHAHAHAH\n\nSo youre saying the human brain knows eveyrthing that happens at all moments and the reason they do?\n\nAre you actually retarded? Like seriously am I wasting my time with some handicap?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\n>I can know everything\nAtheists are autotheists"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>60\nYou watched proof\n\nI know its not your fault you were educated to be a moron but at least try a little"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>So youre saying the human brain knows eveyrthing that happens at all moments and the reason they do?\nYes, the human brain can comprehend everything that happens. An infinite universe where time always existed is comprehensible. There is nothing comprehensible about \"pondering in a different manner\""}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>62\nYes, we can know everything.\n\nLook up \"God of the Gaps\" fallacy."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>Yes, we can know everything.\n\n>Look up \"God of the Gaps\" fallacy."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nThere is no proof, which is why you still havent posted any. All the Eucharist miracles were done by con artists and anyone who believes in a eucharist miracle is a certified retard thats been conned."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>64\n>Yes, the human brain can comprehend everything that happens\n\nHave you ever taken reasoning classes? Or philosophy?\n\nThere might be a reason why youre so retarded"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>>68\nPost something incomprehensible to humans that exists."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nGod."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>All the Eucharist miracles were done by con artists and anyone who believes in a eucharist miracle is a certified retard thats been conned.\n\nCould you provide any proof for that claim?\n\nLike any evidence what you say is actually true?\n\nI know youve made shit up in this very same conversation lol thats why Im asking"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>Could you provide any proof for that claim?\nBurden of proof is on you."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>I know youve made shit up in this very same conversation\nshow me what ive made up."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>69\nThe incomprehensible is born out of the things we havent been taught yet\n\nMath is incomprehensible for someone who hasnt been taught math like an infant whos been neglected"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nThe burden of proof is on him to prove that the Eucharistic miracles were not something? You get to make any claim you like and need not justify anything?\n\nI'm not even a papist but you are completely embarrassing, kid. Come back when you're 18"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nYou said the eucharist miracles were just analyzed once and left there\n\nWhile they have been analyzed and studied many different times by different groups\n\n>These Eucharist miracles have only been studied once and case closed.\n\nYou literally madce this shit up because you have mental retardation"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\n>The incomprehensible is born out of the things we havent been taught yet\n>Math is incomprehensible for someone who hasnt been taught math like an infant whos been neglected\nOkay. Teach me how God exists outside of time and \"\"ponders in a different manner\"\" like how you can with math."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> Why yes, I am a homosexual, which is why I posted a picture of a muscular man"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>73\nI mean my guy, youre denying yourself the possibility to learn about the truth\n\nI know its hard for you to learn that God is real\n\nBut you have to try to understand things you havent been taught yet lol\n\nYes, break your NPC code and decide to learn something outside of everything you know"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>77\nWhat makes you think Im able to describe how God thinks\n\nIm only able to point out the difference between human thought and how a higher consciousness exists\n\nDifferent rules for each"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>75\nAre you retarded?\n\n>>76\n>While they have been analyzed and studied many different times by different groups\nShow me a Eucharist miracle thats been studied by many different groups with no association with the Catholic church and is allowing any scientist in the world to take the cracker and examine it.\n\n>You literally madce this shit up\nKek, rage misspelling\n\nAnd no i havent. The video you provided. None of the Catholics in that video is allowing any more scientists to come in and examine the cracker."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n>What makes you think Im able to describe how God thinks\nIf you cant, then why should i believe you? Actually convince me God exists. Show me something incomprehensible to humans that exists.\n\n>You should believe in God, because... because... you just should. Its the rule!\n\n>Different rules for each\nSo you admit Math is nothing like the retarded shit you spout."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nWhy does God make you so angry?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>Show me a Eucharist miracle thats been studied by many different groups\n\nShow me an Eucharist miracle that hasnt been studied by many different groups with no assosiation with the catholich church\n\nAnd has allowed these scientists to take the cracker to examine it\n\nAgain it seems like you assumed it was just >le catholic scientists that have studied the Eucharistic bread\n\nWere you just making shit up inside your brain?\n\nWerent you assuming and making shit up instead of knowing?\n\nDoesnt that literally proofs youre mentally retarded?\n\nMy advice to you is to be skeptical, not to make shit up to fit your own understanding of the world\n\nThats what mentally ill people do, and I belive you do have a mental illness or at least low intellect"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYou don't get the point\nWorshipping the creation instead of the creator is wrong because you are greater than the creation (earth, the sun, space)\nMan is the greatest creation. If man worships the sun or the moon, he worships something below himself.\n\nMonotheism is most anthropocentric ideology, also why Christians generally have little issues with killing animals for their benefit or exploiting the earth, it is a lesser thing created for our benefit"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\n>>You should believe in God, because... because.\n\nBecause he exists and there is proof lol\n\n>So you admit Math is nothing like the retarded shit you spou\n\nMath was used as an example of how someone who hasnt been taught a concept isnt able to comprehend it\n\nI guess you missed the point of the example\n\nCould it be because youre literally retarded?"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>81\n>>You literally madce this shit up\n>Kek, rage misspelling\n\nBro youre being retarded and making shit up\n\nOn top of that youre being cocky and saying >UM SHOW ME WHERE I MADE SHIT UP\n\nLmao, youre a creature\n\n>>81\n>The video you provided.\n\nYeah its just a video you fucking retard lol\n\nThere are many more explaining in more details the different groups of scientists that have worked with the bread"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>81\n>>87\n>Just because the video didnt told me many non-catholic groups of scientists studied the video I just assumed it\n\nYoure so retarded its unreal lol"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nIf anything it just proofs how much mental retardation people need to have to be truly atheists\n\nTo leave the possibility of something existsing out of their grasp\n\nLmao"}, {"id": 90, "content": "ITT: tradcath zoomer vs new atheist zoomer in a primetime shitposting match\nHide thread"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nThe guy is just mentally retarded\n\nRead his arguments\n\nI know its not his fault but it says a lot about atheists"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nit says a lot about that anon\ni won't judge the entirety of the beliefs on this thread because if i did i'd think both christians and atheists are beyond mentally ill"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nWell mental illness is the modern human condition\n\nThe antidote is to stay away from places like this, where hate is prevalent\n\nOne just thinks hate and love are just plain simple emotions born out of simple chemicals\n\nIt doesnt seem to be the case honestly, it more like the chemicals appear from hate or love and not the other way around\n\nTrue and genuine love is born out of consciousness, before the chemicals there is thought\n\nSpecially love, sure hate can be a reaction and be triggered, but to genuinely feel love and compassion which then allow you to comprehend and forvgive your pseudo-enemies (someone who doesnt agree with you) is more mysterious\n\nYou can learn a lot but may also be eaten apart, a lot of things will eat at your consciousness, create a mental illness this is everywhere"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>85\nSlaughtering animals was literally banned until after the flood dumbass."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nThis. Eating meat is pagan."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Am I the only person who finds it incredibly disturbing how the words \"zeal\" or \"zealot\" now have almost universally negative connotations from everyone? I would be honored beyond what I can put into words if someone called me a zealot for God\n\nsame as the word \"puritan\", it's now considered an insult somehow. Why wouldn't you want to be one?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Zeal is not negative but zealot is.\nEven religious people know religionfags can get annoying sometimes. Jesus BTFO the OG kikes (the pharisees) based on this (they were legalistically cringe but of course there are schizo cringe religious people as well).\nAlso Puritan is a specific religious sect that most Christians aren't a part of so who cares? the only cringe part is when puritan values that are normal are made fun of."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Zeal is not negative but zealot is.\nwhy?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>same as the word \"puritan\", it's now considered an insult somehow. Why wouldn't you want to be one?\nIf I heard someone call themselves a puritan, i automatically assume they are an incel larping as a vocel."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause of people that zealously believe dumb things and can't be reasoned with. Now the typical atheist is more likely to act that way."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI read it to mean \"energetically\", not stubborn."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>same as the word \"puritan\", it's now considered an insult somehow. Why wouldn't you want to be one?\nPuritans were cringe even in their time. They largely weren't bible scholars, but thought they could dictate to the king and the best minds in England to do what they said. Then when the bible came out, they seethed and didn't use it. Then killed the King's son not that long after. Then ran a dictatorship that pissed off the entire populace (on top of needlessly killing a bunch of Irish people). Then infamously became known for hysteric witch burnings when they ran off to America."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI knew someone who called themselves a Puritan because he was a super Christian. He’s now a pagan who worships the sun"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I would be honored beyond what I can put into words if someone called me a zealot for God\nMan you are lucky you didn't post this on a personal blog or something, cause 10 years from now, when you're in your 20s, you'd be utterly mortified going back and reading this."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>Zeal is not negative but zealot is."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>8\nHistorically speaking, “Zealot” has usually being associated with people acting in ways beneficial to God’s people.\n“Puritan” was an insult used BY Christians and the Puritan movement had a negative impact on Christendom."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nI'm 22"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nIt's called connotation. You'll learn this when you get to 6th grade"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Jihad is also a bad word now but it wasn't inherently meant to be associated with terrorism."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>t."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe better words are \"devout\" and \"fervent\".\n\nEx. I am a devout Catholic and I pray fervently for the conversion of this board and the entire world."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Sign me up!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Argentinian conquest of the desert worth it? Why couldn’t they take the whole southern cone instead of splitting it with Chile?\n\nWhere else could they have realistically expanded that would be useful today?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was the Argentinian conquest of the desert worth it?\nPatagonia has oil and gas, cool glaciers and forested lake landscapes, it's suitable to raise sheep and even wheat with some irrigation, and there's some minor mineral wealth as well so yeah it was worth it.\n\nJust stopping the native raids on Euro settlers and preventing a foreign power from setting up shop there made it imperative.\n\n>Why couldn’t they take the whole southern cone instead of splitting it with Chile?\nThe south of Chile was more densely populated, by the native Mapuches. In fact the conflict was - partly - caused because the Mapuches begun crossing the Andes and spilling over to the Argentine side, making war on the native Tehuelches creating conflict with raids on settlers as well.\n\nThe Andes are also a fairly impassable barrier. They are the tallest mountain range outside of the Himalayas. While San Martin crossed them with an army in the 1810s, this was an impressive undertaking and not something that any army could do at a whim.\n\nThe railroad uniting Chile and Argentina was only completed in 1910 because of how long and complex digging a tunnel through the Andes was.\n\n>Where else could they have realistically expanded that would be useful today?\nUruguay and Paraguay if we were feeling frisky but I'm not sure it's worth the hassle to antagonize Brazil, the whole region, and the Great Powers. These countries serve a role as buffer states.\n\nI think our 1880s leaders did a good job. Roca left a prosperous country behind at the end of his second term. And we have enough land. The country is underpopulated as is, it has a low population density."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why couldn’t they take the whole southern cone instead of splitting it with Chile?\n\n\nBro the Andes"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was the Argentinian conquest of the desert worth it?\nMore land in this day and time can almost never be a bad thing if it's coastal and grants you eez, granted they didn't know anything about it then as it is now, but yes. The only other alternative really is someone else has it and that's usually not good.\n>Where else could they have realistically expanded that would be useful today?\nIt's pretty easy to see there wasn't anywhere else for them to go. If it's not one of the buffers, it's Brazil or the mountain niggers.\n>>2\ngood post"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Where else could they have realistically expanded that would be useful today?\nNowhere because south american colonialism was a stillborn fever dream for the 3 people who thought of it. Peruvian slave trade/chiles single island/brazils african naval base aside"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster (picrel) is a direct descendant of Abram Petrovich Gannibal, the great-grandfather of Alexander Pushkin and former African slave.\nSHE\nWAS\nSLAVES."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFilthy negress"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nLiteral she-baboon physiognomy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLooks white to me. I wonder how a slave or his descendants managed to become dukes and duchesses?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "was it autism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Read Mein Kampf, he was clearly autistic. Nazi Germany was a utopia for the autistic mind, which is why this website loves him so much"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">British admirals"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The Admiral was nicknamed Black Dick from his usual scruffy appearance, and on the day was in an old overcoat and woollen hat, his face black with smoke.\n\nThe British victory was dubbed The Glorious First of June by the Irish playwright and Drury Lane theatre manager Richard Brinsley Sheridan, who staged a benefit night in aid of the sailors' widows and orphans. The show, which featured Admiral Lord Mulgrave singing a patriotic ballad he composed himself, raised £1,500, the highest box office takings for one night of any theatre in the 18th century."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The unfortunate case of Lena Baker epitomizes the injustice of the Jim Crow South. Born to a Georgia sharecropper family in 1901, she worked at farm labor and as a maid in between raising three children. Baker was hired in 1941 by Ernest Knight, aged 67, the owner of a gristmill in Cuthbert and the two began an affair--Knight would offer Baker alcohol in exchange for sex. Interracial relationships were less than popular in the 1940s South and Knight met with considerable disapproval from his family and neighbors. Baker was threatened if she didn't end it.\n\nIn fact this wasn't the first time Baker had gotten in trouble for this offense. Back in 1921, when she was 20 years old, her and a friend had engaged in prostitution, servicing white johns. Police found out and busted them for prostitution and violating state laws against interracial relationships. Baker and her friend were sentenced to 6 months in a workhouse. After getting out of jail, the local black community ostracized her and she developed an alcohol addiction out of depression.\n\nOn the night of April 30, 1944, they got into a fight and Knight threatened to beat Baker with a metal rod. They had a physical scuffle which culminating in Baker getting ahold of Knight's pistol and shooting him dead. She immediately informed police and told them she'd acted in self-defense. Unfortunately, a black female's claims didn't count for much in 1940s Georgia and she was quickly charged with first degree murder. Put on trial for the murder, she claimed that Knight came to her house drunk on the evening of April 30 and demanded she come to the mill with him. She didn't want to but preferred not to argue with her visibly drunk boss, so she instead asked if she could have money for booze. Knight gave her some and she went to her favorite watering hole, but the tavern was closed."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Baker waited a while and returned home but Knight was still there. He forced her to go to the mill but she sneaked off and hid near a convict camp operated by the Georgia Board of Corrections where she went to sleep. The next morning, Baker awoke and went to the mill, hoping Knight was gone but to her dismay he was there. He threatened to kill her if she left. A scuffle between the two ensued which culminated in Baker getting ahold of Knight's gun and fatally shooting him.\n\nNot that it mattered much here. Although Ernest Knight was unpopular in Cuthbert, a black woman shooting a white man was intolerable to the segregated South. She was found guilty of murdering Ernest Knight in a one day trial and sentenced to death. Baker made a final statement, \"What I done, I did in self-defense, or I would have been killed myself. Where I was I could not overcome it. God has forgiven me. I have nothing against anyone. I picked cotton for Mr. Pritchett and he has been good to me. I am ready to go. I am one in the number. I am ready to meet my God. I have a very strong conscience.\" and was executed in the electric chair in the state penitentiary at Reidsville on March 5, 1945. She was buried in an unmarked plot behind the Mt. Vernon Baptist Church, which she regularly attended.\n\nIn 1998, the church congregation obtained a headstone for Lena Baker's grave. She received a posthumous pardon from the state of Georgia in 2005, the parole board acknowledging that her conviction and execution had been wrongful and would not have met modern standards of justice. Researchers have noted that under Georgia statutes in 1944, she could in theory have just been charged with premeditated manslaughter, which would have carried only 15 years in prison."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Lena Baker was the only female executed by the state of Georgia in the 20th century and the most recent one to date. She was also the only female executed via electric chair, which Georgia introduced in 1924 and retired in 2004 in favor of lethal injection.\n\nFor comparison, in 1958, Anjette Lyles, the wife of a restauranteer in Macon, was convicted of the arsenic poisoning of her own 7 year old daughter for insurance money. The prosecution sought the death penalty for her, but the state was reluctant to execute a white woman and the last such execution in Georgia had happened when James Monroe was president. Lyles was ultimately committed to a mental institution rather than prison, where she died in 1977."}, {"id": 4, "content": "No one cares, Tulsa Tranny."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">There are Nordicists who are aware of, and have read, all of the recent genetic studies of ancient antiquity yet still insist that the Ancient Greeks and Romans were Nordic.\n\nWhy?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's optimistic of you to assume most posters have read them."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause studies that prove my preconceptions are based and redpilled. But studies that disprove my preconceptions are judeo-cuckoldry."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPhenotype=/=Genotype"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause they are not nordics, they are south americans, turks, nafris and a russian that don't believe in any nordicist shit, their only purpose is to bait gullible southern niggerpeans and make fun of them and they genuinely can't understand that , southern niggerpeans genuinely think there's some blonde angry germanic guy behind every post"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nNew pivot cope just dropped.\nNeed it or sneed it?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nA lot of them will straight up reference the papers though, like for instance for this Roman paper; they say that it's proof that iron age Latins were Nordic. I think the misunderstanding here is that the text of the Denmark LBA sample which is marked by the blue dot is scaled in a way that makes it look like the Iron Age samples are pushing up against denmark, when in actuality they are clustering up with modern Spaniards.\n\nAs far as I am aware there isn't a single genetics study of antiquity which proves a Nordic founder population but they continue to insist this is true"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Here's your swarthoid bro"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nBottom right is Caligula, other two are Augustus. Also if your point is that these guys aren't swarthy enough to be like modern Italians you musn't have ever seen an Italian."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>7\nBoth Romans and even Greeks weren't \"Mediterranean\" or whatever coping buzzwords. Those all have a significant amount of Aryan ancestry and were the OG Europeans of their relative times while only three places had more Aryan ancestry than that - Baltic countries, Scandinavia, and Britain - all with a combined population of less than 50,000 people. And those OG Europeans were by far the most Aryan-admixed and northern-shifted existing people, not only in urban civilized areas but across the whole world. Period."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>modern Italians"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n\"Italians\" aren't \"swarthy\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>only three places had more Aryan ancestry than that\nThe entirety of Europe had more Steppe ancestry than the Greeks, as did the entirety of the western Steppe and most of the eastern Steppe. Most of europe had as much or more than Italics.\n\nEarly Iron Age Italy doesn't really resemble Northern Europe or modern Italy."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nI know several south Italians and they’re not white. Though of course, Italy isn’t homogeneous, I imagine not even within regions. But yeah, on a related topic, only retards care about who is or isn’t swarthy or white."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>only retards care about who is or isn’t swarthy or white.\nOnly retards can't tell who is swarthy or white"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>entirety of Europe\n20,000 men? 40,000 men? Nothing in comparison with both Greeks themselves and especially all the southern Asiatic hordes that they surpassed. Also don't forget about Macedonians who resembled Italics too.\n>doesn't really resemble\nExactly, it had existed 1000 years ago in completely different circumstances. Claiming Greco-Romans weren't the Nordics of their times is literally like claiming Spanish aren't Mediterraneans as Sardinians with more EEF exist."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nI'm skeptical ancient greeks outnumbered the rest of europe.\n>Claiming Greco-Romans weren't the Nordics of their times\nNobody has any clue what this means."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>skeptical\nEven Minoans were already urbanized, lol, not even speaking about Archaic and Classic periods while the rest of Europe was populated at best with small farm villages.\n>has any clue\nThey were the most genetically northwestern population."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nHere are some estimates:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Europe#Historical_population_of_Europe_and_former_USSR_within_modern_state_boundaries,_CE_1%E2%80%932020\n>They were the most genetically northwestern population.\nAncient Greeks don't look like western euros."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\n>>16\n>>18\ngreeks were 15% steppe\nromans were 20-25% steppe\n\nit's low and many people during the iron age surpass that in and outside of europe\nbasically all europeans and central asians were more steppe than the greeks\nall central asians and almost all europeans were more steppe than romans, with the greeks being the only ones with less steppe, an on par with iberians and thracians\nthey were brown low steppe mongrels"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>some estimates\nIt's CE, when Rome already surpassed Greece as the urbanized center, and you can see that Eastern and Northern Europe (populated by modern-like people with 50% WSH) are like 450,000 people overall while other regions (populated by Celto-Italic and Thraco-Illyrian people with 30% WSH) are like 30,000,000 people. People with more than 30% WSH were only 1.5% of the population.\n>don't look like\nBecause \"western euros\" hadn't existed yet at all, are you fucking dumb?\n>>20\n>20-25%\nRather 25-30% with Gauls being only 30-35%.\n>many people during the iron age surpass that\nSee the counting above, it's literally 1.5%. With Central Asians it's 2% at best."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Because \"western euros\" hadn't existed yet at all\nThey did"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n1.5%"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>Rather 25-30%\nno, 20-25%\n\n>See the counting above, it's literally 1.5%. With Central Asians it's 2% at best.\nall of central asia and most of europe surpass them\nyour counting doesn't matter, they were low steppe"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>>23\n>1.5%\nThough no, it's more like 2 or 2.5% for Europe.\n>>20\nAlso Central Asians already were mostly chink-admixed so don't count too.\n>>24\nAh, you're the whining shitalian. It doesn't matter, you're farm equipment anyway."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Ah, you're the whining shitalian. It doesn't matter, you're farm equipment anyway.\ni'm not italian, but why did you you say that only scandinavia, the baltics and britain were more steppe rich than romans when half the old world in the iron age was more steppe rich than the romans?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>6\nSneed it"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nShoo-shoo, goblinito."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nthe romans and the greeks were brown"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nyeah, but can you answer my question?\nwhy did you you say that only scandinavia, the baltics and britain were more steppe rich than romans when half the old world in the iron age was more steppe rich than the romans and the greeks?\ncan you please not say that next time? say something like \"the entirety of europe and central asia was more steppe rich than the ancient romans and greeks\""}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nimagine if nordic Kazakistan survived today, those kyzyl samples are a nordicist wet dream"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\n>>30\nThe one samples in the list have more WSH than Romans and aren't from the mentioned regions straight are \"Gauls\" from Brittany, Normandy, et cetera who were just minor settlers from Britain. Central Asians hadn't more WSH as they have much Mongoloid admixture.\nIn the end, only 2% of Europe had more WSH than Romans. Period."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>The one samples in the list have more WSH than Romans and aren't from the mentioned regions straight are \"Gauls\" from Brittany, Normandy, et cetera who were just minor settlers from Britain\nno anon NO, they're from all over france, the occitane and southeast samples are from south france, champagne and alsace are from east france\n\n>only 2% of Europe had more WSH than Romans. Period.\nlet's make a comprehensive list based off this chart >>26 we're gonna take the average roman steppe admixture >>24 that is 24%\n\nbulgaria = between 20% and 25% steppe, around the same\niberia= between 20 and 25% steppe, around the same, except that tartessian sample that is 15%\nswitzerland=27% steppe, more than most roman samples\nfrance= between 30% and 40% steppe from south to north higher than all roman samples\naustria=33% steppe, more than all roman samples\nslovenia=34% steppe, more than all roman samples\nserbia=41% steppe, more than all roman samples\ncroatia=33-34%, more than all roman samples\nnetherlands= 49-53%, more than all roman samples\nengland=45-49% steppe, more than all roman samples\nscotland=49-56% steppe, more than all roman samples\nwales=48-54%, more than all roman samples\nsweden=52% steppe, more than all roman samples\nnorway=50-52%, more than all roman samples\ndenmark=52%, more than all roman samples\nslovakia=38-44%, more than all roman samples\nhungary=33-36%, more than all roman samples\nczech=37-42%, more than all roman samples\nrussia=48-57%, more than all roman samples\nturkmenistan=55%, more than all roman samples\nkazakistan=33-70%, more than all roman samples\nkyrgyzstan=32%, more than all roman samples\n\nthere are some countries that don't have any released iron age samples like germany or ukraine or turkmenistan but it's easy to imagine that they would be similar to the other countries in this list and have higher steppe than the romans\nno need to mention the greeks, since they have even lower steppe"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>The one samples in the list have more WSH than Romans and aren't from the mentioned regions straight are \"Gauls\" from Brittany, Normandy, et cetera\nThis is incorrect, his list shows everywhere in Ancient Europe having more WSH, through modern France, Hungary, Germany, the lowlands, most of the Balkans etc.\n>Central Asians hadn't more WSH as they have much Mongoloid admixture.\nWhat the fuck does this mean? They have tons of WSH, their east asian ancestry doesn't negate this.\n>only 2% of Europe\nlol"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>occitane and southeast\nLiterally both are below 35%.\n>from east france\nNorth-eastern, around Netherlands and Britain. Not the main Gaulish type.\n>that is 24%\nNo, that's 30%. Didn't read the rest."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\n>only 2%\nThough I must accept I was extremely retarded and actually it's around 10% rather. Still a quite low measure."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>Literally both are below 35%.\nbut that is higher than what romans had >>24\nwas that not my point? debunking your claim that no one in the world except scandinavians, brits and balts had more steppe admixture than the romans?\n\n>North-eastern, around Netherlands and Britain. Not the main Gaulish type.\nthe main gaulish type was surely more steppe rich than the southern gaulish type(so above 35%), placing them probably around a similar level of steppe, does that not make sense?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>had more\nStop this sperging, this 3-6% difference is literally nothing, they all were the same population. The difference I meant is 20%, like between modern spics and Nords.\n>the main gaulish type\nThe main Celtic type is undoubtedly the Austrian La Tene type so the main Gaulish type must be similar to it and we actually have plenty of such samples and exactly in the most populated regions. Among them exactly are the Occitane and Southeast samples differ from La Tene only by 5% higher WHG but with the same WSH."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>this 3-6% difference is literally nothing\nthis 7-10% steppe (24% >>24 to 31-34% is 7-10%) is quite a lot\n\nmy point was debunking your claim that only scandinavia, britain and the baltics were more steppe rich than the romans, when objectively the entirety of europe was more steppe rich, with bulgaria and iberia being at a similar level and only really greece and sicily/sardinia having lower percentages\n\n>The main Celtic type is undoubtedly the Austrian La Tene type\ni completely disagree, there's no \"celtic type\", most gauls were likely more northern than the south france samples and similar to the alsace and champagne samples or at best inbetween the champagne/alsace and the southern france samples"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\n>24%\nIt's 30%, 27% at worst.\n>my point was debunking\nYou haven't succed.\n>i completely disagree\nYou're wrong. It's the consensus."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n>It's 30%, 27% at worst.\n>>24\nno one reaches 30%, it's 20-25% while using yamnaya (taking about consensus, it's the consensus that this is the best proxy for PIE)\n\n>You haven't succed.\nhow? all of europe is more steppe than the romans, literally every single country except greece is more steppe than the romans and 2 have a similar level of steppe, all of central asia is more steppe than the romans\n\n>You're wrong. It's the consensus.\nyou mean the incel consensus of the guys that will never reproduce? that doesn't count\nthere's no consensus"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>no one\nPrenestini tribe, the most reliable and representative sample, does. Two Etruscan samples come close too, the others are likely outliers.\n>is more steppe\nAll Europe had the same percent, only the mentioned regions had more.\n>that doesn't count\nIt does. Period."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>29\nThen why do mosaics mostly show them looking White?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\n>Prenestini tribe, the most reliable and representative sample, does\nno, there's absolutely no reason why that should be the most representative and reliable\nthe others are much more representative and homogeneous, the rome_IA from rome is probably the most reliable and representative, the prenestini tribe is also just 1 sample, while for example the tarquinia average is made from 16 samples\nthe prenestini tribe is slightly different, it's the only one that is below 60% farmer, i wouldn't call it an outlier but it's a bit different from the average, so one of the least representative samples\n\n>Two Etruscan samples come close too, the others are likely outliers.\n99% of the samples are outliers, amazing\n\n>It does. Period.\nokay, the incel concensus of the guys that will never reproduce counts i guess, the consensus of the researchers(that never mentioned the aut_ia_la_tene to be \"standard celts\" or something) doesn't count\n\nare you crying man? you seem pretty angry, i can sense it through the screen\nlet's end this conversation here, you're getting too emotional"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>i beg you to accept my concession my lord\nShoo-shoo, goblinito."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ignoring the Nose (is broken) to which ethnicity or human population this facial structure, the craneum overall, belongs to?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWaste of a thread."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorthern Somalis"}, {"id": 4, "content": "By the gracile cranium and dorsal labiality of his periphrenium you can clearly tell that his haplogroup is O."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThink about those haplogarbage and religion theads lost... the board has fallen"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngeneric west eurasian"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "James White’s looking a little strange these days."}, {"id": 2, "content": "James has touched kids."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo one is this guy's neighbor. Or shouldn't be."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nsource?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhi mendez"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nyour mom"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The original German war plan (Schlieffen Plan) called for a 40 day offensive through Belgium to force a French surrender (before Russia was able to mobilize), followed by turning around and crushing the Russians. Ironically it was Hitler would would - almost - fullfill this war plan.\n\nWas this viable with WW1 equipment and tactics or was it a delusion?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Of the seven German armies of the invasion of France, the 1st Army was by far the largest and most concentrated of them all, numbering 180k, standing in its way was the BEF numbering just 80k.\n\nThe Battle of Mons was one of those peculiar battles packed with feats of astounding gallantry and valour against overwhelming odds at a critical moment, II Corps of the BEF — 25,000 soldiers tasked with holding the Mons canal and bridges.\n\nNimy bridge in particular became the site of relentless fighting, with tightly packed German infantry desperately trying to force a crossing in what can best be described as the tinned sardines formation. For two hours an Irish officer held the bridge with a machine gun in the face of unbelievable odds, he would die at his post and be awarded the first Victoria Cross of the war."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there a specific reason Hegelians are so prone to jargony word salads? Seems like they can’t even answer a simple question without writing out a paragraph."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause their pseudointellectuals"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you ever tried to read Hegel."}, {"id": 4, "content": "most philosophers are like that"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Just gimme another 40,000 troops, Mr. President and I can take Richmond.\n>You haven't won anything with the troops you have.\n>Ok, just another 30,000.\n>Fuck you.\n>Can I have 20,000 more cavalry? When Napoleon fought at Eylau he...\n>No.\n>Aw you're mean."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>beat the shit out of Virginia with 50,000 men\n>asked only for shoes for his army\nGrant\n>cant even beat Lee in a battle with 160,000 men (against 60,000)\n>asks for 50,000 more\n>gets 40,000\n>still fails to capture Lee at Richmond-Petersburg\n\nover...."}, {"id": 3, "content": "too many ACW generals were brought up on Napoleonic lore and never seemed to figure out why European warfare didn't apply to America and its vastly different conditions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNapoleon forces battles by advancing on his enemies capital, George McClellan imagined three Rebel soldiers for every one he faced and avoided battle"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMcClellan did nothing wrong. Lincoln was a douche."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAllan Pinkerton claimed the Confederates had between 150,000-200,000 men but what this figure actually referred to was not the amount of troops in front of Richmond but the total Confederate troops in the entire state of Virginia. McClellan had to know these numbers were bullshit and he only believed them because he wanted to believe them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\noffense is harder and costlier than defense"}, {"id": 8, "content": "he instilled in the AOP an extremely toxic mentality that haunted it almost to the end of the war\n\n>slow\n>always afraid of what Lee was up to\n>orders never getting carried out properly or on time\n>suffering from infighting and backstabbing"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nso why did McClellan do better on offense than Grant did on defense?"}, {"id": 10, "content": "anyway it was always known that Virginia was where generals went to die, so to speak.\n\n>first significant Union battlefield victory of the war: Bowling Green, won by George Thomas\n>first major strategic Union victory of the war: Ft. Donelson and Henry, won by Grant"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>slow\nnope\n>afraid\ncaution against an enemy that consistently punched above its weight is not fear, furthermore we saw how the \"fearful\" commanders got less men killed despite doing more fighting than the \"brave\" commander who just managed to get men killed while taking less ground and fighting only a handful of pitched battles.\n>orders never carried out on time\nThis criticism didnt appear until 1970.\n>infighting\nnot the result of McClellan\n>backstabbing\nagain, not the result of McClellan.\ngo back.\n>>6\nno, he claimed 120,000 which was accurate according to Confederate muster roles, they had no way of knowing a substantial number of Lee's men decided to not show up for work.\n>he acted as though the entire region was relevant instead of a handful of local towns\nThis is why McClellan strategically MOGGS the fuck out of any other Union general.\n\n>b-but\nJamie, pull up those battle stats.\nArgue with the data."}, {"id": 12, "content": "One thing that should be noted is that the Confederates didn't count noncombat personnel in troop strength while Union armies did so could often appear much larger than they were. McClellan had somewhere between 60,000-,70,000 men shouldering a musket on the Peninsula despite a paper strength of over 100,000 men as once noncom personnel and detachments were subtracted it got considerably smaller. That will also include the I Corps under McDowell which was detached against his will and placed around the Rappahannock (one division did rejoin the main army during the Seven Days)."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nGrant remarked in his memoirs that there was no campaign or battle he fought until the final Appomattox Campaign in which he had a major numerical advantage over his foes. in most cases the difference in troop strength was within 10,000 men."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nprobably around 70,000 men. Joe Johnson meanwhile had only around 50,000 men in April-May. the downtime between Seven Pines and the Seven Days allowed Lee to scrape together additional troops including Jackson's Valley Army and anything else he could pull up from the Deep South and the Richmond area so he had about 80,000 men on June 26.\n\nand that was always a problem. until the 1864 campaigns the Confederacy was never put under enough pressure so they could keep regrouping like this. during the summer of 1862 in the West, the Union armies were loitering around Tennessee repairing railroads and allowed Bragg and Kirby-Smith to marshal their forces and invade Kentucky."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nGrant said Stones River was a Union defeat, he wasnt surprised as Shiloh, and that Shiloh was decided on the first day when the Confederates had the advantage and the 15,000 fresh troops didnt have an effect on the outcome."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Grant said Stones River was a Union defeat\nyou need to understand his thinking a bit. he always considered a battle a failure if you let the enemy get away to fight another day. thus he thought Rosecrans beefed it by not chasing down Bragg's army and destroying it after the battle."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nEarly war momentum\n\nAlso he didn't do better than Grant"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nAs someone who knows little of the ACW or Napoleonic wars, what were the differences in conditions? I assume you are referring to things like america being huge, how the slave population can affect morale and production of the south, the fact that northerners viewed southerners as Americans, and the progress in technology the fifty or so years before the civil war brought? Or are you referring to how in parts of the south, the terrain is swamp land? The proximity of DC to the South?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nDamn, I didn't know Grant considered the majority of his career to be a failure.\n>Vicksburg\nlet them get away\n>NNOOO HE CAPTURED THEM\non the condition they would be immediately paroled lmfao and they whooped his ass less than a month later.\nGrant in the West should be set to the Benny Hill theme.\n>Overland\nLee escapes relatively unscathed and Grant fails to take an undefended Richmond\n>Richmond Petersburg\nGrant fails to take out Lee, a second time, and takes Richmond only after it has been abandoned as a defensive position, losing tens of thousands of men in the process not just from battle but from preventable things like dysentery due to poor camp standards.\n>>17\nHe did dop better than Grant, taking fewer losses against a numerically superior enemy.\n>early war momentum\nThen how do you explain Lee during the later half of the war still doing better on offensive than Grant?\n\nAlso, why didnt Grant benefit from this magical early war momentum? Why did his string of victories consist of exceptionally bad commanders who managed more often than not to get one over one Grant in spite of their general incompetence?\nHow does Grant manage to let an entire army decimate his own forces, after he had captured that army?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\n>he wasnt surprised as Shiloh\nThe real faggot here was Sherman, who had flatly said \"There is no enemy nearer than Corinth\" and then after the battle acted like he never said that and proceeded to rip apart officers and soldiers who shit their pants and ran the moment the battle started."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSherman was at the Front, Grant wasnt, Grant was in denial even as reports came in of men under attack and he could literally hear gunshots.\nI think he even tried to chalk it up to men shooting at deer.\n\nalso its absurd to say Buell's reinforcement did not decide the battle when they so clearly did.\nBy the end of the first day, the Confederates had mauled the Union forces, routed and scattered them, and took up defensive positions on the hill while their casualties were relatively equal to that of the Union and neither side had a significant number advantage.\nThis is not a battle which sees decisive Union victory.\nAnd then Buell shows up and 15,000 fresh well trained well armed men counter attack and drive the Confederates completely out of the area."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nACW had railways and repeating rifles, Napoleon won because he got there the first with the most, but even if McClellan outnumbered his enemy he was to scared to attack,Napoleon would sacrifice an entire army if it could win a war"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">gets handed lee's marching orders\n>epic fail ensues"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n>He did dop better than Grant, taking fewer losses against a numerically superior enemy.\nHe also didn't do enough damage to stop Lee from running wild. War isn't a fucking Call of Duty game where you win if your K/D ratio is better\n>>early war momentum\n>Then how do you explain Lee during the later half of the war still doing better on offensive than Grant?\nBecause he was a skilled aggressive general and had a dedicated calvalry corps\n>Also, why didnt Grant benefit from this magical early war momentum? Why did his string of victories consist of exceptionally bad commanders who managed more often than not to get one over one Grant in spite of their general incompetence?\nNobody is perfect\n>How does Grant manage to let an entire army decimate his own forces, after he had captured that army?\nWhat are you even talking about, McClellanfag?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\n>epic fail\nthe union won in south mountain and antietam?\nwhat's funny is he had order 191 and boasted to his officers he'd whip lee with it but doubt enters his mind and thinks he's outnumbered again. He attacks 1 corps at a time and doesn't commit \"the last reserve of the army of the republic\""}, {"id": 26, "content": "Was ACW was a first conventional war for America fought by real army instead of glorified militia?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nIt was certainly the first where the main leaders were American born and raised and fighting for constitutional ideals."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nNo\nAmerica has had a professional army since the Revolutionary War.\nread pic rel"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Early Americans are all midwit descendants of English social rejects and Ir*sh, with the exception of a small Dutch elite. It's only the later waves of more respectable British and intellectual Yuro fleeing tyranny and war in the homeland did they have real smart people in the leadership"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>\"mr president we should use our numbers advantage to crush the rebels easily\"\n\n>\"no\"\n>closes down recruitment offices"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nThanks.\nI always thought semi-professional army become a thing durring mid-West expansion"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>18\nBesides railroads, steam powered warships and transports were a huge factor in the western theater. Andrew Jackson slaughtered crack British troops at New Orleans in 1815, but the south’s largest city was lost in a nearly bloodless stroke once Union warships steamed past the Mississippi River forts. Navigable rivers were daggers into the heart of the western Confederacy and much of Grant’s success in 1862-63 came from cooperation with naval forces. Those brown water naval battles were very unique, something never seen before or since."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>26\nThere had always been a small Regular Army focused on Indian fighting and coastal forts, but bigging up to hundreds of thousands of soldiers on either side required “glorified militia” i.e. state volunteer regiments. The West Point officer corps was divided and spread thin and plenty of civilian amateurs found themselves leading troops. All this accounts for so many battles turning into chaotic barroom brawls, especially in the early years."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>24\n>he didnt do enough damage to stop Lee from running wild\nhe completely checked Lee's strongest foray into the Political North when the Confederacy was at its relative height.\n>you dont win by having a better KDR\nGenerals do not win wars between Democracies, Politicians decide the Outcome.\nHowever, Where and When Generals do win wars, KDR is the most significant factor.\nTake too many losses nothing can save you. Have a good KDR and you can spare your nation from even a defeat.\n>dedicated cavalry\neveryone had \"dedicated cavalry\"\n>skilled and aggressive\nCouldnt pull the same tricks on McClellan tho.\n>nobody is perfect\ntrue, but Grant is awful compared to McClellan, these are just the facts.\n>McClellanfag\nworst attempt at trying to fit in"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>27\n>constitutional ideals\nhardly, They fighting for White Nationalism in the North and fighting for White Separatism in the South.\n>>29\nAmerica began to outpace England in 1815."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">Grant to the end of his days denied hotly that he'd been \"jumped\" at Shiloh. Shortly after the battle he wrote to Elihu Washburn a letter stating \"Did they expect 30,000 men, most of them completely raw, to stand off 70,000 of the enemy? (at this point Grant was still harboring the misapprehension that the Confederates had a much larger army). To retreat across the Tennessee would make that river into a second Potomac. It would have prolonged the war by an additional six months and probably required a completely new army to be raised.\"[3]"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\ngood effort post. thanks."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>7\nMcClellan forced Lee to attack him through clever positioning and strategy and the protection of his supply lines.\nGrant failed to do the same and thus was forced to fight on Lee's terms."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">It was said that \"The city of New Orleans never smiled again after Shiloh.\" The South knew from that point onward the war was a lost cause. Their best chance at victory had been to destroy Grant's army and they had not quite pulled it off. And much of that was due to Grant's singular stubbornness and refusal to accept defeat."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nwell no, it was due to 15,000 fucking men showing up and shifting the numbers heavily against the Confederates when they were previously equalized with a Confederate advantage.\n\nThe war wasnt lost at that time, it was lost after Second BVLL Run, if Lee had been just an hour fast, a single hour faster, he could have bagged over 50,000 men and left Washington DC completely unprotected save for a minor garrison in the low thousands.\nIf Second Manassas was more decisive, the war could have been very easily a Confederate victory.\nThey were at their height at the time, the West was slowed down, The South was greatly overestimated by Northerners at the time, The North was at its lowest morale.\nIf ever they Confederates could win, it was then. I doubt a victory at Shiloh or even Gettysburg would lead to Union capitulation, especially as the Union at Shiloh could afford to lose the West, and the Union at Gettysburg knew their strength was great compared to the South."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nI’m not a Grant hater but one of my Confederate ancestors said they were close enough the night before to hear music in the Federal camps, and the “surprise” attack had already been delayed a day by rain. How could he have not seen it coming?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">Halleck assumed general command in the West after Shiloh and he disagreed with the assessment that the Army of the Tennessee had been surprised and said everyone performed correctly and appropriately in the situation. Sherman was livid at those claims, while disregarding his own unwise remarks to an Ohio colonel that he should \"take his damned regiment back to Ohio; there is no enemy nearer than Corinth.\" Instead he vented his wrath on the officers and men who'd panicked and ran the moment the firing began. \"They should act surprised at the Confederates' complete want of respect for human life after having been told to regard them as inferior.\"\n\n>Grant to be fair may have been guilty of underestimating his enemy a bit. The relative ease with which he captured Ft. Donelson and Henry seems to have created the impression that the war had been started by a handful of fire-eater Southern politicians and that the average Confederate private was apathetic to the cause. The ferocity with which they fought at Shiloh disabused him of that notion.[5] During the subsequent occupation of Memphis that summer, he also got a taste of what was really going down. The city was filled with fanatic secessionists, many of whom had relatives serving in the Confederate army, and as Grant recalled, \"Many of these people seemed convinced that a Northern general would sympathize with them and accept the justness of the Confederate cause if he would just sit down and listen to their arguments.\"[3]"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">After Shiloh the war in the West moved very very slowly. Halleck was taking absolutely no chances and the next month and a half would see the Union host make an incredibly slow march down to Corinth, which fell without a fight on May 28. It had taken 52 days to march the 20 miles down from Pittsburg Landing. Between the combined armies of Grant, Buell, and John Pope, Halleck had an impressive 100,000 men, more than even McClellan ever commanded. Beauregard's mangled army could have been taken easily but the real aim was the capture of Corinth and its railroad depot."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">the mass replier ITT"}, {"id": 45, "content": "McClellan was the best general of the war, because he was the funniest."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>32\nThanks for the high quality post."}, {"id": 47, "content": "then again, Grant was actively directing troops during the battle of Shiloh and exposing himself to fire a couple of times while McClellan was usually one to six miles from every battle his army ever fought"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">On April 28, Halleck announced a reorganization of the army into \"wings\" or corps. The right wing was commanded by George Thomas and consisted of his division plus four of Grant's divisions--Grant himself received a meaningless title of department commander with Thomas having operational control of his army--still technically under Grant's command but not really. John McClernand commanded the reserve wing, his division plus three from Buell's army. John Pope retained his existing command and Buell had a sadly diminished force down to just three divisions. Both Grant and Buell felt duly insulted at what they saw as a demotion; the former had a somewhat cold relationship with Thomas from that point onward and he spoke of himself as being in a virtual state of arrest.\n\n>On June 26, Thomas was reverted back to command of his old division and Grant regained direct control of his army, sort of. No general who served under Halleck was alone for very long and Halleck had an enervating habit of ignoring subordinate generals and ordering their commands around directly. Grant had several arguments with him over this, protesting that Halleck had ordered his troops around in contradiction of his own plans and without informing him. Halleck replied back that he would issue orders to any part of Grant's command any time he felt it was appropriate.\n\n>On July 18, Halleck departed to Washington D.C. to become general-in-chief of the army and Grant was on his own finally. He was still Grant's superior but now had more pressing concerns than the placement of a brigade or division along a railroad line in southwestern Tennessee."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>>32\n>the heart of the Confederacy\n>produced less than 25% of its food and wealth\nlol\n>>47\n>actively directing troops\nHe was present for one (1) counter attack.\n>McClellan was miles away\nMcClellan was near the front when he was on the offensive, he also had a much more sophisticated form of organization.\n\nSo if Grant was so great, why did he suck compared to McClellan? Did less with more, failed to achieve his objectives within the time given, actively undermined his fellow officers, lost 60,000 men in the overland to preventable causes."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>why did he suck compared to McClellan?\nIf I recall Lee surrendered to Grant, not McClellan\n\n> lost 60,000 men\nOf course if McClellan had just charge at Richmond or Antetam,there would be no need for Grants operations in the east"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">The march down to Corinth was undertaken with the delusion that Beauregard commanded an army that was at least three times its actual size, perhaps as many as 100,000 men. Although he eventually received reinforcements, there was no point after Shiloh where he mustered more than 51,000 men and for the first few weeks after the battle he had barely 30,000. He telegraphed Richmond to lament that there was very little he could do to prevent the total destruction or capture of his army. This message was actually intercepted by Union army intelligence and read, but resulted in no action being taken and ultimately nothing but a warning from Robert E. Lee to change his cipher.\n\n>The Union war effort in the West ground to a near-total halt in the summer with Grant and Buell's commands scattered about guarding and repairing railroads. By July, the Union offensive against Richmond had also been beaten back and there was a complete impasse with the momentum that had been going since Ft. Donelson having all but stopped."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>Lee surrendered to Grant not McClellan\nI recall Lee never lost a battle to Grant, but he did lose three to McClellan\n\nAlso, they didnt surrender because of Grant, they surrendered because their country had been destroyed and their army was starving and low on ammunition, in particular it was Sheridan who cut off Lee, not Grant, Sheridan was acting on his own initiative FYI.\n>if McClellan had just charged into a larger entrenched force\n????"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nBuell was a faggot and his wife also owned slaves so his soldiers never really trusted him. Also he was one of \"that\" kind of general who would put provost marshals around an openly secessionist farmer's house to stop the troops from looting the place. McClellan did that same crap on the Peninsula.\n\n>nno that guy's sons are in the Rebel army shooting at us\n>nnno you can't take all his stuff and use his house as troop quarters that's rude"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nSherman's policy in this situation was like \"Don't want your house looted and all your pigs and chickens eaten? Take the oath of loyalty to the US government and we'll leave your stuff unmolested. You did this to yourself, Cletus.\""}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\n>????\nThe \"Cult of the Offensive\" is one hell of a drug."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nYeah, basically a bandit and a war criminal."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>41\nThat's very fascinating, anymore knowledge you have from your ancestor?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>53\n>>54\n>tear up the Constitution to own the Rebs\n1800s Zogbots"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>53\n>>>49\nFuck off Hike."}, {"id": 60, "content": "American war history doesn't even feel real to me. It's like somebody just made it up"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nWhy?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nI'm not sure, I think a large part of it is the lack of specifics about the troops\n>General Max Haywood commanding 40,000 troops\nOk, from where and how many? Was it 5 thousand from north eastern Michigan, 2 thousand from New England etc? I just can't engage with the campaigns if it all one big blob"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nAll of those things are very well documented. The US civil war might actually be the most documented war of all time, with all the primary documents and diaries that we have. It's just that it's not generally useful to go into such details in conversations."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nAnon, half the units have their home state in the name"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nMaybe I'm just biased as a euro but yeah, just having 40,000 troops be a singular blob without separate identities of their own coming into play just seems impossible to me. Read Euro history certain peoples would demanding to be in the vanguard and threatening to go home if they aren't first in line, others would be demanding to serve in the cavalry if that's where they feel their people are naturally talented, some would demand to be sent to certain climates if they feel they could shine there, one group would be coming to blows with another etc etc. The lack of identity among the troops makes them feel like NPCs instead of real men from all around the country"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n>The lack of identity among the troops makes them feel like NPCs instead of real men from all around the country\nYes, but again, that's just your perception, which is based on ignorance of the topic. These armies were definitely not the homogeneous blobs that you imagine. The regiments were assembled from states, and states back then were pretty much small countries with their own culture and identity. To that you can add that there were immigrants and even native americans into the mix. As an introductory example, you could go read about the history of the Irish Brigade."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nFair enough, didn't Grant record his campaign in his own hand? If so, is it worth reading?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nI wouldn't trust anything Grant says. He was a liar who only cared about improving his own reputation. Next you will probably ask me for book recommendations, but I can straight up tell you that I don't really know the books. The only one I've read was \"A Prussian Observes the American Civil War: The Military Studies of Justus Scheibert\""}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>58\nThey rejected the Constitution and seceded so they were not entitled to its protection, Cletus."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nSo why invade them if they're not subject to the constitution?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nWhether you’re a fanboy or a hater, Grant’s autobiography is a must read for any ACW student. Of course he’s biased but he’s a good writer, surprising for someone who wasn’t noted as an intellectual, and his clear concise prose is some of the best writing by any president.\nHe wrote it after leaving office, bankrupt snd disgraced, and he was dying of throat cancer as he struggled to finish in order to provide for his family after death. His friend Mark Twain promoted the book and it became a best seller."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nYou'd understand why that sentence is retarded if your family had actually been in the US at the time, Gomes."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>Grant lived at the same time as Mark Twain\nDidn't know this either"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>63\nit's more like all of the primary sources are in English and confined to one country while the world wars have a vast amount of documentation in several dozen different languages and countries so you can only read a portion of it."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>53\nwhat's weirder is that the soldiers didn't seem to hold any ill feelings against McClellan for that while they were fully convinced Buell was in cahoots with the enemy, and same with McDowell for trying to protect civilian property in northern Virginia."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nMcClellan was idolized by his men, because he cared about them and led them from victory to victory. I'm a fan of civil war songs, and one thing I noticed from them is that McClellan is the most sung-about general, and always positively.\n\nAnd now, before I end my song\nThis free advice, I'll tender\nWe soon will use the rebels up\nAnd make them all surrender\nAnd once again, the stars and stripes\nWill to the breeze be swellin'\nIf Uncle Abe will give us back\nOur darlin' boy McClellan\n\nWe'll follow little Mac\nHe'll lead us on to glory, O!\nHe'll lead us on to glory, O!\nTo save the stripes and stars\n\nHe'll lead us on to glory, O!\nHe'll lead us on to glory, O!\nTo save the stripes and stars\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-addpiPKzE [Embed]"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nWell he was conservative with their lives, I'd rather serve under him then under Grant."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>75\nBuell was an asshole that nobody liked. Aside from his wife owning slaves which made him suspicious he was also one of those generals who never figured out volunteer soldiers and subjected them to brutal regular army discipline. Thus why he never commanded troops again after October 1862. Grant offered him a command under Sherman during the Atlanta campaign but he refused to serve under a general he out-ranked and instead just resigned from the army and returned to civilian life."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>73\n>Grant lived at the same time as Mark Twain\nhttps://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2023/04/18/why-mark-twain-had-an-incredibly-brief-stint-as-a-confederate-soldier/\nTwain and Grant were briefly on opposite sides in the same theater, then Twain lit out for the far west."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">A few days after Shiloh, Halleck sent word that he was arriving from Missouri to take command in person, and Grant and Buell would also be reinforced by John Pope's army, fresh off its capture of Island No. 10. Considering his well-established tendency to pass the buck onto subordinates, he was surprisingly soft on Grant after all the accusations of his being jumped at the battle, only recommending that he improve the discipline and drill of his commmand. This was true--the Army of the Tennessee was still an underbaked outfit with raw recruits who as yet acted like a random collection of regiments thrown together than an army. Soldiers needed better drill and to stop habits such as the promiscuous firing of muskets on any and all occasions--there are instances reported like an entire company firing their weapons into the air simultaneously to see if their powder worked and wasn't dampened after a rainfall."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>5\nI'll never understand why someone would believe something as retarded as this, McClellan was a bitchmade pussy who was fundamentally indecisive about engaging the enemy and using his troops to their fullest effect, which alone is a fatal flaw in any good commander, much less general. Dumb faggot made it seem like rebels were undergoing fucking mitosis every second in Virginia and he couldn't even conceive of attacking without even more troops on top of his already 100,000+ strong force, no wonder Lincoln had enough of his bullshit after awhile. The fact that he would turn around a few years later and run against Lincoln on a platform of ending the war and achieving peace, even if it meant allowing Cletus to keep his banana-republic in the making and permanantly fuck up an entire half of the country is just the retard cherry on top of his downs syndrome sundae"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>no wonder Lincoln had enough of his bullshit after awhile\nHow well did that work for the Union? A year of crippling defeats one after another because Lincoln appointed generals who were fine with just throwing men in suicide charges at Confederate defences."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>76\nLee himself even said “he is an able general, but he is a very cautious one.” He took enormous risks against McClellan because he knew McClellan would never come at him."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nYes, and Lee also said:\n\n>Robert E. Lee, on being asked (by his cousin, and recorded by his son) who was the ablest general on the Union side during the late war, replied emphatically: \"McClellan, by all odds!\"[104]"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo why didn't either of them attack the other's capital directly?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nMaking the obvious move is a bad move usually"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is more meaning predicated of 'soul' than other abstract concepts such as 'mind', 'spirit', 'subjectivity', 'consciousness' etc?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSouls are very real, in fact very obviously so. When you die you will exit your body and you will see that you have a soul body extended in space, with soul senses.\nYou wouldn't know this until it's too latesince you are too busy reading about \"metaphysics\", i.e. philosophical wankery. The guardians of the gates will eat your lost ass, and you will be reincarnated. Sad!"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Soul is not a meaningful concept because it is, at best, an aggregate of other concepts which can be better analyzed: consciousness, identity, emotion, synchronicity. There is no reason to suppose such a thing exists as anything substantial. Sure, studying it from the perspective of the various degrees of illusion that takes place in consciousness can be interesting (see Hofstadter's work on identity), but I don't see any point to reasoning about something which can't clearly be demarcated, demonstrated, evidenced. I thought Hume settled this whole matter long ago with his bundle of properties."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a source of the mind and identity that, unlike those other terms, implies an immaterial existence separate from the body/brain. Most of those other terms could refer just to dependent qualities/products of the brain. Spirit would be the exception to that, but it is much more vague than soul, it doesn’t imply a source of identity/mind\nWhether or not soul is an empty term when talking about the real world is another question."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Non european people have nothing to be proud of."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Im Turkish"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm ethnically european and I have nothing to be proud of because my history is just used as an excuse to force me to live and self-identify as \"a peasant\", with others believing it's justified to violently gatekeep from me anything that a \"medieval peasant\" wouldn't have had."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWatchu doin rabbi"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntfw when you are more Roman than half of the insane haploautist larpers here but you are a Carthage-boo."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Europeans can be proud of being the greatest cuckolds in human existence however"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWut"}, {"id": 8, "content": "/pol/tranny thread"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHistory is /pol/"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">OP has never beheld the splendor of japanese ink painting and Chinese pottery"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Stop latching on to the achievements of great people who you happen to share blood relation with. Be proud of yourself and your own achievements."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>Your own achievements\nPeople who say this have universally never done shit"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do I have to be proud of people of probably would hate me and vice versa?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Iron is better than Bronze because Iron can be made into Steel.\nPeople during the Iron-age didn't know this.\nWhy did it eventually almost replace bronze entirely in the making of tools and armament?\nPlease excuse my ignorance."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Availability you nigger"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn't they run out of bronze"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nwhat's the issue? Why would you insult me?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Tin merchants are still trying to boost their stocks after their crash +3000 years later"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIron is far more plentiful than bronze, which requires tin as one of its alloy components which is comparatively much harder to find and had to be sourced from far flung tin mines.\n\nIron required higher temperature forges, is subject to rust, and isn’t quite as effective as bronze but can be made good enough, and cheaply enough to outfit vast armies rather than a small cadre of warrior-elites"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nBecause you're trans"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nlol dang you're pretty cool haha"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWhere'd ya go haha? :D"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIron replaced bronze and copper for tools during the Iron Age but didnt fully for armaments until classical antiquity, mostly because iron is not so good for weapons, its either too soft (pure/wrought iron ) or too hard and brittle(cast iron) depending on the carbon content, with steel being the sweet spot ( 0,002% - 2% carbon content), and being able to get steel of reliable quality and in good quantity is something relatively modern. Meanwhile bronze performs similary to steel (if you dont take heat threatment into consideration), and even tho its harder to obtain the raw materials it was still a valid option due to it being capable of producing quality weapons and already stablished industry, while for steel people had to make do with whatever scraps they managed to produce from their bloomeries, such as welding thin bands of steel to an iron core, or go with inferior iron weapons"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Fuck Women."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Keyed."}, {"id": 3, "content": "gladly"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey wouldn't let me."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIf that's actually you, you have zero game"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYou don't really need game if you're tall and handsome enough"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nHow about starting off with a date?\n\nHow about starting off with a nice kiss before you go stampeding into the clitoris?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWith you? Uh...I have a grilfriend"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">Have sex\nWhy?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBe fruitful and multiply"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nWhat the fug, dude"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Islam make slave's life better?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "here is your trad poland bro"}, {"id": 2, "content": "At least they aren't speaking German"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy are white males so much into sissy shit?\n\nevery race has faggots, but sissy shit is 90% white male"}, {"id": 4, "content": "desu he's probably realy good at his job. We have a tranny programmer at my job, he's worth 3 regular white or zhang progammers, or 10 pajeets. He even browses 4chan (the porn boards) at work and no one gives a shit, he's that useful."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIn this case he probably isn't trans, but a transvestite.\nThere's also the possibility that he is gender non-conforming, and so may state that either or any pronoun would do."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nno he's a tranny, wants female pronouns and everything. Great programmer tho. Weirds everyone out but if you need to get something done fuck going to the 3 floors of pajeets we have and getting literally the first google result for your request. Pajeets are worse than autocomplete when it comes to usefulness."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nwomen cant code for shit. wouldn't a tranny find it odd that they are supposedly a woman yet dominate in male fields?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nthe main character can do all that and more."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nI referring to who's in OP's pic."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are the etymological relationships between ally, alliance, assembly, asset, assistant, assailant, assault and assassin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The word assassin isn't related to any of those words at all. It comes from Arabic."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">“In The Cow he says some other stupid and ridiculous things, which, because of their great number, I think must be passed over. He made it a law that they be circumcised and the women, too, and he ordered them not to keep the Sabbath and not to be baptized. And, while he ordered them to eat some of the things forbidden by the Law, he ordered them to abstain from others. He furthermore absolutely forbade the drinking of wine.”\n\nThis is chic-tract level stuff. Where are the critiques of Islam from a rational standpoint rather than just\n>Muhammad is... LE BAD!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why didn't he complain about Muhammad marrying a child if Christians believed it was wrong before modern feminism?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe earliest christian translations of the Quran were...weird."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing he said was incorrect though.\nAlso Dr. Shoemaker's book is a good start."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll tha he says is true and his point makes sense. Muhammad cannot be a prophet if he preaches a law other than God's law."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYes, but just saying \"He forbids alcohol so he's a false prophet\" is missing a couple of steps. Why can't a prohibition on alcohol be from God if a dispensation to eat pork can be?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nBecause Jesus himself endorsed alcohol."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nIt's apparent that Jesus believed in some form of progressive revelation where the experiential law can change (i.e from a prohibition on pork, to being allowed to eat pork). Moses said pork is forbidden-- so was Moses wrong? No, Moses was right at the time.\n\nSo, if Muhammad says God said alcohol is a no-go from now on, that doesn't prove it is or isn't from God."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "what the FUCK was her problem"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Jews have Abraham\nThe Arabs have Ishmael\nThe whites have yakub\nWhat about the other races? What’s traditionally seen as the primordial ancestor of them?\nPic unrelated. Seems like a cool guy though"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The whites have yakub\nEdom/Esau actually, if we're not talking about negro fairy tales."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nlmao that's exactly what the Black Israelites believe actually."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nArminius (Latin)/ Hermann (Deutsch)\n\nHe drove off the Roman forces from Germany and ever conquering past the Rhine."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIranians have Jamshid\nReligious ones have Jamshid/Ali (combined lion and sun) and secular ones have Cyrus"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nYeah but I don't care about what some single digit iq shvartsas think or say.\nI'm talking about the torah perspective."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_campaigns_in_Germania_(12_BC_%E2%80%93_AD_16)\nlol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raden_Wijaya"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor the Greeks it's Hellen\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellen\n\n>>3\nIt's the Jewish view. The BHI inherited this view because they're wannabe Jews.\n\nThere are also White wannabe Jews who call the Ashkenazi Jews Edomites."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’ve been wondering something and I don’t feel like googling it. Is there a place in the Bible where it describes the process of a mortal human being kicked out of heaven? Like, if a good Christian worthy of going to heaven were to start acting like a cunt and sinning after he got there, does it explicitly say in the Bible that he’d be kicked out? Or is the thought process that nobody capable of being in heaven would ever do that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is a retarded tranny who defines eating food as \"sin\" which is why you made this thread with that picture and God's primary motivation for creating the world was to dominate and abuse people and his primary concern with \"ethics\" is trying to manufacture the stupidest reasons possible to abuse people so I'm sure the only hope that people in heaven would have that God won't abuse them would be that he's more preoccupied with abusing people on earth."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt doesn't happen. Your first life is the test. When you get there you won't want to sin because you will have sinned already here.\n>>2\nIf you think so then God will make you into those thoughts."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNope. Scripture tells us that those who are justified before God always will be."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nHe does it regardless of what i think you lying retard but thank you for demonstrating another of god's favorite behaviors, trying to blame his victims for his abuse"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nTake your meds please"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>regardless of what I think\nNo, God is good to the saved and provides rewards and protection but only by faith.\nYou can't follow the law with God and get there."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are white people terrified of becoming a minority?\nHave minorities historically been treated poorly in white countries or something?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The conterpoint to this meme is thus:\nThere is no guarantee niggers would treat whites as the whites currently treat niggers."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>This group oppressed therefore I have the right to oppress them when given the chance"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNon white people think being racist is fine so if you are white you should be very scared of your future under them. Infact places like London have turned into small scale race wars already between Indians and Pakis."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhites were always a minority globally, now they're becoming extinct as they're become minorities in their own countries."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>muh niggers\nIt's browns who are outnumbering Whites right now. The niggers will start flooding White countries once climate change causes their population-growth bubble to pop. The biggest refugee crisis in human history is nigh, and cucked Euro governments will let them in"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only white people who will be \"the minority\" are the elites, like in my Brazil and Latino countries. Most will be assimilated and wignats do not breed.\n\nAlso, Dagashi Kashi sucks."}, {"id": 8, "content": "you just know op's grandparents are from some faggy little asian ant hive that treats flips like doormats , anyway, this has nothing to do with history or philosophy, go back to /int/. spice goes in all fields"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\na few people getting shot or stabbed is not a “small scale race war”"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>a few"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Have minorities historically been treated poorly in white countries or something?\nthey are treated poorly in all countries\n>but my brown kangs...\nCaste system in Islam and Hinduism, dhimmis, millet system\n>but my Asian kangs...\nBurma and Xinjiang\n>but my Wakanda...\nDifaqane, Mfecane, Bantu expansion, West African slavery\njust tell me WHICH SOCIETY treated minorities good?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>The only white people who will be \"the minority\" are the elites\nreminds me of few other countries.\nDo you know what happened in these countries?\nRemaining white people get massacred, expelled or degraded in 1... 2... 3..."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy would anyone be indifferent to becoming a minority in their own homeland?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>Do you know what happened in these countries? Remaining white people get massacred, expelled or degraded in 1... 2... 3...\nGive me a historical example where browns and blacks united against whites.\n>inb4 Haiti\nMulattoes sided with the French for most of the Revolution and only changed sides when Napoleon decided to restore Slavery and take away their civil rights. It was the mulattoes who murdered Dessalines, did Land Reform, gave indemnity to France, invaded the Dominican Republic, etc... Bad things that are associated with Haitians, but that were done by the fucking mulatto elite that replaced the French."}, {"id": 15, "content": "How would it be a white country if whites are the minority?\n\nSurely you should be asking “do non white countries have a history and precedent of attacking and discriminating against minorities”\n\nWhich the answer to is is of course, yes"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou’ve posted this thread before. Why are you posting it again?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "No but minorities have historically been treated poorly in non-white countries"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\nBactria, eastern Europe by the ottomans & Khans, pretty much every African country post 20th century, etc."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Bactria\nYou have no clue what this means or what happened.\n>eastern Europe by the ottomans & Khans\nThis is Asian empire building. Africans weren't conquering you.\n>pretty much every African country post 20th century,\nBlacks were killing brown Portuguese."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Minorities have been pampered in white countries. We simple know that the favor won't be returned because non-whites lack empathy."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>Asked a question\n>Got an actual answer\n>Cry \"that doesn't count\"\nLike portapotty"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThis is my second post in the thread. I only replied because you're a retard clearly pushing your emotional agenda while disregarding history."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nNot him but stop whining"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Oh happy days, can't wait to read about some Eastern European history, you see, it all starts with the Orthodox Chivolush tribe who laid claim to the Kak Kak Mountains in 875, but the Pirots under Saint Tsar Pisskovic IV sieged the East Rovlas Commonwealth, and..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does this actually contain pieces of the real cross on which Jesus was crucified? Or is this just some meme bullshit?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the \"real cross\" relics trace back to the 600's."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholic bros... why is the Pope donating shards of the true cross to protestants?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy is the pope giving priceless artifacts to heretics? I'd rather fight to retrieve this than any war my country has ever been in."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthere is no real way to know. it could be or maybe not. it's just a tradition"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Caths, why do you act kind to the astray and pray for them? This is not very Christlike!\n>Christ would chop heads of the runaway sheep and made a full MURICAN BBQ."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThere's a difference between being kind and giving legitimacy to something you believe to be heretical."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen it comes to relics, the smaller and more there are of them, the more likely that they could be fakes. This relates to splinters of the cross and bone fragments of saints. They would need some sort of paper trail associated with them to be more assured of their authenticity.\n\nFor one-of-a-kind relics, like the crown of thorns and skeletons, usually there's enough historical evidence to authenticate them.\n\nFun fact, just about every Catholic church has a relic of some sort built into the altar or elsewhere in the sanctuary."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>r/monarchism\nI thought reddit couldn’t be any more cringe"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI really doubt it, even if you do some bs about the cross somehow not rotting away because god you still run into the problem of how did his followers get the cross, would Roman authorities really just allow it to be taken away, would his followers even want it when you consider the fact the cross wasn't the symbol of christianity until much later"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Calvin quipped that in the 16th century there were enough relics of the true cross to build a ship"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe fragments of the \"True Cross\" are probably fakes. The Cross was lost for 300 years until Saint Helena, mother of Emperor Constantine, \"discovered\" it during a massive archeological expedition into the Holy Land.\n\nThere's no reason why the cross that Jesus died on would have been preserved, because at the time of this death, Jesus was just one more random troublemaker in the eyes of Rome and the Jews. It wasn't until several generations later that the Christian movement became prominent enough to be a matter of social significance such that relics would have been preserved.\n\nIn all likelihood, Helena faked the discovery of the Cross, along with many other items, so that she could support her son's effort to Christianize the Roman Empire with a steady supply of relics."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>In all likelihood, Helena faked the discovery of the Cross, along with many other items\nI don't think that's entirely true. It wasn't a true archeological expidition as we know it, they went to the holy land to see specific sights from the gospels and to find relics.\n\nNow if they happen to find an old roman cross, or more likely, some local merchant selling the \"true cross\" to wealthy well-connected pilgrims, that doesn't mean that they were lying, just that they had an extremely low bar of authentication, not that different imo from the Christians who've found \"Noah's ark\" at Mt. Arafat. I don't think they're lying, they just went looking for Noah's ark at a place and found something that kinda maybe could be a boat, and didn't really have an interest in questioning it afterwards if it helps the faithful."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nYeah, that was a common thing during the Middle Ages. Chaucer satirizes this. In the prologue to the Pardoners Tale the Pardoner shills some of the holy relics he supposedly has like bits of cloth from Mary’s shawl and wood from the cross."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nIs the living presence of Christ not much greater than any shard of the cross? How many people have been graced with that that are far more undeserving than the Anglicans who err in good will."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nWho would have been around to preserve the cross for 300 years? Wood degrades if it isn't maintained and for all intents and purposes, Christ was just one of many people who claimed to be prophets at the time of his crucifixion that was causing trouble. The Romans didn't really care at Jesus and the Jews wouldn't want to preserve the relic of a guy they viewed as a false prophet\n\nI'm not a reedit atheist, but this is an absurd story"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Funny that these Christians care more about worldly artifacts over worshipping the living God. These are their idols."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nLikely, the Romans probably just took the cross down when he was removed and reused it. Wood is a valuable commodity and multiple uses, why would they waste wood to hang it to a symbolism that they had no awareness existed?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nAnd lastly, the fact that Helena claims she also found the exact stop Christ was born, 300 years after the fact, makes all her claims nonsensical."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Holy fuck he has the most annoying voice I've ever heard in a podcast"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did it collapse?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery king after Kavad was a retard"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKhazars"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLost the war with the Romans and every Clan wanted their of piece of the pie. The Empire was already fraying during the war but the political anarchy which followed its conclusion was far worse and it was ironically due to the Arabs that political order was somewhat restored"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "For me, it’s the “Ruler uses foreigners or slaves to do their fighting for them, then those slaves become rulers out right” trope. Romans, Spaniards, Ottomans (well, not exactly, but sort of), king of Kent, Muslim rulers of Spain, and probably more examples. Why do these retards not realize the danger of giving foreigners and slaves weapons, military experience, and power? Short sighted bastards."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do these retards not realize the danger of giving foreigners and slaves weapons, military experience, and power?\nDesperation. The threat of getting overrun by invaders in the war you're in right now is more concrete than a potential future rebellion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Jamaicans and Irish people sound to similar? The resemblances in their pronunciation and cadence are remarkable"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was literally an Irish population in Jamaica, look it up"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo Irish (or Irish English) have any West African words in vocab?\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jamaican_Patois_words_of_African_origin?wprov=sfla1\nif not, they dont sound like each other at all then. This is a major difference."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nLexicon doesn’t really matter that much in comparative linguistics. That said, we’re comparing English dialects. Not Twi vs Gaelic."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n> A couple of words.\n> BIG DIFFERENCE."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will find virtually all ESL accents in English to sound ostensibly similar to some degree, ie I am German and was inexplicably described as sounding Indian once. Jamaicans retained a highly distinct Nigger-Bongo accent while the Irish mostly retained their native Gaelic accent as well."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThis is absolutely the most ridiculous and easily refuted thing I've read on /his/. You think Chinese ESL people sound the same as Mexican ESL people? Hell even people who speak the same fucking language from different countries have markedly different accents when speaking English; Mexican and Spanish people."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was Adolf Hitler a secret Muslim?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France\nHe was a lapsed Catholic (Spiritual but not religious) who wanted to reform German Christianity into an a new religion that espoused martial values closer to Islam and Paganism than what Christianity actually is."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you retarded?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nNo"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou'd be surprised how many Nazi ideals survived post-WWII as the EU.\nThe only three exceptions are white supremacy, Austria & Germen alliance, and conquering Russian as a capital."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do /pol/tards shill anything that is slightly associated with Hitler or antisemitism\nThere are people on this board who think Communism is anti Jewish"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">conquered by Scythians\n>conquered by Greeks\n>conquered by Parthians\n>conquered by Arabs\n>conquered by Turks\n>conquered by Mongols\n>attempted conquest by the British and Russians\nWhat is special about Iran? Why does everyone want to conquer that country?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>conquered by Scythians\n>>conquered by Parthians\n>>conquered by Arabs\n>>conquered by Turks\n>>conquered by Mongols\nGeography, the steppes act as a funnel into the region.\n>>conquered by Greeks\nPersian society was decaying and Alexander is arguably the greatest tactician of all time.\n>>attempted conquest by the British and Russians\nOil"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Aryan is a religious expression, not a biological one. It's a description of a class of soul and a type of magic. Aryanism conquered much of the world because they had access to a superior magic. Ukraine is the homeland of the Aryan. This is what the war in Ukraine is about and this is why Khazars made Ukraine their home and why Hitler suicide missioned war into Russia and Stalingrad. There's numenic forces in that region that power needs access to.\n\nThe last 5000 years of history can be described singularly as a struggle between different groups attempting to monopolize Aryan magic and subvert their enemies away from it though mind viruses like Christianity and Science. Every time elites are discovered engaging in spirituality (Templars, Freemasons, Bohemian Grove, Epstein temple, etc.) It's never grounded in any exoteric form of spirituality, it's always a distinctly Aryan form of magic."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Philosophy has completely poisoned the well of religion. Now its people believing in \"God\", this God being some abstract simplistic no-thing concocted by some wordcel philosopher. Socrates deserved to get ACKed."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSocrates believed in Gods but also he believed in the Forms. The Forms are the original state of being and the gods are as irrelevant and minor as we are. That is how he teachnically was not an atheist as is stated in the Apology."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>believed\nKeyword here. This is the poison of religion. We know the Gods by our experience of them."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>my religious beliefs don't stand up to rational scrutiny\n>how could the philosophers do this to me"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nUhhh well so did Socrates. He experienced the Daemonen he spoke of."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Oh shit we’ve got an actual live neopagan in here."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nPhilosophy tends to abstraction and simplicity because it makes things easier to understand. This isn't bad in itself, but unchecked by empiricism, aka actually experiencing things, it heads towards oversimplification and abuse of Occam's Razor. The world isn't understandable to your midwit brain. And trust me you haven't experienced your abstract platonic \"God\", or no God.\n>>5\nYes, and he made up the Forms."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ni haven't experienced God either"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYou are ignorant of the gods that are."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nso you agree i haven't experienced them"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou could also not experience sight if you are blind."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nyou asserted that he hasn't experienced \"no God\" and also haven't provided any explanation of what \"experiencing God\" is like"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>what is experiencing red like\nYou are wordceling again."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nyou are dodging an explanation\nyour types are very quick to deride opposing beliefs without ever explaining your own\nprobably because you do not have solid beliefs"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>\"hurr durr how dare you point out my sickness without talking about your own? probably because you are, may allah forgive me for uttering the word, healthy\""}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nyou are dodgeceling again\nyou're as infirm as the abstractions you deride, only you chase the aesthetic of religious literalism"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>again\nthe post above yours >>15 is my first post in this thread. I don't even know who claims what, except that >>14 is a retard thinking that one is not allowed to point out bullshit without having an alternative bullshit at hand. in reality we can easily know that some claim is wrong without having an alternative explanation."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nso you don't know who's claiming anything and can only see two people pointing out bullshit without providing their own bullshit but you're immediately busting out the /v/ strawman greentexts?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>/v/ strawman greentexts\nwhat the fuck are you talking about?\n>so you don't know who's claiming anything\nexactly. I did not follow the exchange, except I take exception with the intellectually dishonest demand that someone must expose some positive belief of his before criticizing another belief, as >>14 demands. but my guess is that >>14 is a christian, based on the dishonesty alone."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>what the fuck are you talking about?\n>>15\nall you've done was prove that three people have had nothing of value to say and that this thread was a waste of everybody's time\nrather than let it autosage, you decided to continue to contribute nothing to a thread that provides no information to anybody"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nyes, I do terrible things when I'm bored."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>rather than let it autosage\n>let it autosage\nThat's not how it works you fucking newfag redditor."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nfair enough\n>>22\nyes that statement was wrong\nhowever it communicated exactly what i needed to get across regardless\ntherefore i do not care"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>it's simple, we just empirically prove god\nIf you're talking about mystical experiences, the problem there is the religion can then only be justified to people who have had those experiences. The entire idea of rationalizing religion is so that you can argue that it should be adopted universally"}, {"id": 25, "content": "Tradlarping zoomers deserve the chair"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nTradlarpers are primarily the \"believers\" of this type. Guenon and Evola are both the epitomy of wordcel philosopher."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n/his/ made me lose trust in people I did not even knew I had. everyone is a troll, everyone is larping and acting spastic if cornered, no genuine questions are being asked. I mourn my innocence."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n*did not even know I had"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWell, not everyone, but the christtards on here are definitely larpers. You can see it from their behavior on here that they're mostly try to convince themselves, and are constantly on the verge of tears over the realization that their beliefs are complete bullshit, that's why they're so agressive"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nDial 8"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>christtards\nAtheists, buddhists, neopaganism-to-own-the-jewists on this site are just like this too."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nI can't get myself to believe that any if them even considers believing any of the shit they spew. they are edgy teenagers trying to yank the chains of other people and counting it a great success if someone takes them seriously. I have seen IRL the dynamics you described, but can't get myself to accept that it is happening here."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>i literally can't even\nYou are no better."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nTrust me, it's real. I know, because I used to be like this. It was mostly death anxiety, but thankfully I got saved, by the Epic of Gilgamesh.\n\nAlways trust the ancients folks"}, {"id": 35, "content": "Religion is tied to the cult. If you don't believe/care for god to magically grant you wishes you will lose your religion.\nIt's why all neopagan religions fail and are seen as larp.\nNobody thinks you need Woden to give you a good harvest and noone thinks Rabbi Yeshua really can move mountains."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>3\n>by our experience of them.\nSo...we don't know of any god."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>Nobody thinks you need Woden to give you a good harvest and noone thinks Rabbi Yeshua really can move mountains.\nBecause it is a critical misunderstanding on how paganism works. The cycles of nature, both the good and bad, are the actions of the gods. Humans worship the gods to gain their favor so that there can be more of the good and less of the bad. In our case of no one worshipping the gods, they will continue to act as they will, which will include the good and bad. Nobody's saying you won't have good harvest, but it's up to the whims of the gods. As it always is, but now we made it clear we don't give a fuck about them. And for how much this site goes on about \"clown world\" I don't think you like a world where the gods don't give a fuck about us."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThat doesn't contradict me. I'm saying noone believes this shit. We understand enough about soil nutrients and crops to know there is no supernatural outside force determining the success of our crops"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nThe main factor now and back then is weather, you fucking retard. I know you are commited to \"old = bad and dumb\" but ancient people knew about soil quality and what crops are compatible with a soil."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe job of Satan is to make sure people believe they live on a Godless world"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Where did this idea come from that “mass incarceration doesn’t work”?\n\nIf you lock all the thugs up and never let them out, you’ll have less crime"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's prohibitively expensive, both in upfront expenses and externalities. That's a major reason why the US and USSR both softened their approach after putting 1% of the population in jail or prison.\nYou also have to either jack up penalties to an absurd degree or do away with legal procedure and protection from ex post facto prosecution if you are aiming to imprison them for as long as possible."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmass incarceration disproportionately affects blacks and hispanics, and is therefore racist."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWesterners don't actually care about third world countries like El Salvador. They just don't want to miss out on another opportunity to virtue signal about criminals who dindu nuthin even though they extort and terrorize the normal people."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nJust kill a few of them. Problem solved. Double life sentences are retarded. If someone is gonna be in prison for multiple lifetimes, just kill the fool and free up a cell."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nDis reprashons fo slavrey"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>It's prohibitively expensive\ndoesn't the slave labor they do make up for that?\nAs far as I know, most prison systems in the West require you to work 8 hours a day for almost no pay."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Hear me out. Exile. Drop them off on an isolated island with a book about farming. Zero expense and upkeep. Reserve this for murder and life sentences. Truly separate them from society."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nyou're retarded. Jobs in US prisons are optional"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>you're retarded.\nsays the nigger who thinks the US is the only country in existence."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nIIRC black murder victims actually outnumber white ones in the USA. If you look at figures for missing people and unidentified decedents, you see a lot of black and mixed race people, oftentimes runaways, hookers, or other people on the edge of society."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nYeah, most crime happens within racial groups. Blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites, etc. But blacks also kill a lot of non-blacks."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit comes from jewish communists who know that criminals are basically their militant wing. So obviously they want them on the streets to riot more, commit more violence against da goyim (for da holocaust of course), smash more storefronts, etc."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>most prison systems in the West require you to work 8 hours a day for almost no pay.\nWe're talking about the west, where the US is considered to have the most byzantine prison system. Try again jackass."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>IIRC black murder victims actually outnumber white ones in the USA\nyes, because most murders are committed by Blacks and Hispanics, and most murders are committed against the same race because American cities are collections of ethnic enclaves.\n\nHowever, there are far more murders committed by African-Americans against European-Americans than the other way around."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nFrance and Germany both force their prisoners to work. In practice though, prisons are so overcrowded now thanks to decades of Muslim mass immigration that not enough jobs are available."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>3\n1,500,000 whites were killed by other whites in that same time frame\n\nSo what?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nNot really. 89% of black killers kill other black people. Most murders are personal beefs, not random."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>However, there are far more murders committed by African-Americans against European-Americans than the other way around.\n\nThat’s irrelevant. Only 12% of white murder victims are killed by black people. And another 16% are killed by Latinos. Well within a normal deviation for their population sizes.\n\nWhat you’re doing is pushing a white supremacist talking point to incite “revenge” violence."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nThen why doesn't the percentage of black murder victims killed by White people match up with the White demographics?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nBecause there are far more more white people than there are black people you drooling retard. If you have a group of 100 people, divide it into two groups of 90 and 10, pull someone form the smaller group and tell them to do any action with any random person, of course they're going disproportionally pick the people from the 90 group."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause it doesn’t work, it has literally never been proven to work. The US did see a drop in crime after arresting 1/100 of their population, but so did neighbouring Canada so it was most likely just a general decrease in crime unrelated to the lock ups.\nIt only stops reoffending, it doesn’t do anything to prevent crimes happening in the first case, some gangbanger pulling a drive by isn’t thinking about his country’s incarceration policies as he does so.\nAlso if you lock them all up it just makes more crime in the prisons which bleeds out when you release them. And ik you don’t want to release major criminals, but minor criminals will acclimate to the violent environment of the prison and then be released.\nThis is all Ofc ignoring the interests of the prisoners, including the falsely accused, who are still citizens of the state whether you like it or not."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>Then why doesn't the percentage of black murder victims killed by White people match up with the White demographics?\n\nWhite people are more spread out across the country and tend to be more well off. The black population is smaller and more densely populated in urban racial enclaves. Most whites who pass by are middle class and just looking for dope, not beef over IG drama.\n\nThat argument is irrelevant anyway. Black criminals overwhelmingly target black victims and white criminals overwhelmingly target white victims.\n\nYou are a white supremacist and want to frame this topic into a racewar so you can justify terrorist attacks."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nAnd since that 10% of the population does most of the crime, it shows that they are statistically more likely to commit a crime per capita"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nReminds me of those assholes who tried to frame South Africa’s farm murders as genocide. They got REAL quiet when it was pointed out that like 88% of the victims were black and mixed race."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\nYou don't understand how statistics work.\nLet's say we have a group of 10 million people.\nWe divide the population into two groups (A and B) of 9 million and 1 million respectively.\nLet's also say that there are 500 murders in this population dividing the, between the two groups we see the larger group is responsible for 450 murders and the smaller group is responsible for 50 murders.\nLikewise the victims of those murders also fall along the group demographics we get the following result for both statistics.\n405 A on A murders\n45 A on B murders\n45 B on A murders\n5 B on B murders.\n\nIf we look at B murder victims 90% of the perpetrators were members of group A, the same as their proportion of the overall population.\nSo again, why are White people not represented as the murderers of black people proportionate to their population, especially if we are to believe that the majority of crime in this country is perpetrated by White supremacists against black people?\n\n>>23\nIf that was the case then black on White murders should not be proportionate to the black population as was stated earlier. Their proportion should be less than their population for the same reason Whites are responsible for less than what would be expected purely by demographics.\nSo black crime is so high that it overcomes this segregating effect."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>especially if we are to believe that the majority of crime in this country is perpetrated by White supremacists against black people?\n\nNow you’re arguing against a self-created trigger.\n\n>If that was the case then black on White murders should not be proportionate to the black population as was stated earlier.\n\nBut they are. The number of whites killed by blacks is proportional to the number of blacks in America.\n\nI’m still pondering what your fixation with black people is considering latinos kill more whites per capita than blacks do.\n\nOh right, you’re a neo-nazi who wants to kill black people."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nYour lot spent the preceding six years trying to frame every death of a black mutt at the hands of mutt police hands as a consequence of racism, hell you compatriots even burned down a few city blocks over it."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\n>Your lot spent the preceding six years trying to frame every death of a black mutt at the hands of mutt police hands as a consequence of racism, hell you compatriots even burned down a few city blocks over it.\n\nNon-sequitor. And Whataboutism.\n\nThat said, I’m not a leftist. I’m a neoconservative."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>Now you’re arguing against a self-created trigger.\nWhite supremacists are considered the most important criminal threat in this country according to the FBI\n>But they are. The number of whites killed by blacks is proportional to the number of blacks in America.\nI know. You are either an idiot or purposely misunderstanding the point.\nIf black people are responsible for a proportionate amount of White murders, why is the reverse not true?\nIf White people are responsible for a lesser proportion of black murders due to segregation, why doesn't that effect apply to black people murdering White people?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>he makes a point of my hypocrisy? well uh.... WHATABOUTISM!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>White supremacists are considered the most important criminal threat in this country according to the FBI\n\nTerrorist threat. Not criminal threat.\n\nWhite Supremacist terror plots are the most ubiquitous and sophisticated in the U.S. right now. In the post-9/11 era you took a lot of lessons from groups such as Al-Qaeda and the Donbas separatists.\n\n>If black people are responsible for a proportionate amount of White murders, why is the reverse not true?\n\nLower incentive. For every White Boy Rick over in the trenches there’s 5 middle class preppies named “Chett” or some shit.\n\n>If White people are responsible for a lesser proportion of black murders due to segregation, why doesn't that effect apply to black people murdering White people?\n\nJust to be clear, you’re upset that black people aren’t killing white people at a rate BELOW average for our population size?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nI’m not sure what you want from me dude.\n\nYou were expecting to argue with one of the raging commies or black nationalists you watched in “Leftists PWNED” compilations and now you don’t know what to do."}, {"id": 34, "content": "Still waiting for him to explain his obsession with black people considering latinos kill more whites per capita than us."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nHahahaha, is that the scenario that you came up with in your head?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>bro I was just kidding, calm down\n\nKek"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\n>That said, I’m not a leftist. I’m a neoconservative.\nDoes anyone fall for that bit? I can't imagine Irving Kristol giving this much of a fuck about \"correcting the record\" on black crime rates lol"}, {"id": 38, "content": "https://litter.catbox.moe/d75xm5.mp4"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\nLook this is very simple, Either:\nThe murder victimization rate of every demographic by every demographic is purely a product of the share of population like >>19 said, in which case the White proportion of murders of black people should also be the same as their overall population.\nor\nThere is a segregation effect at play, in which case the black proportion of White murders should be less than their percentage of their population the same as Whites are underrepresented in black murders.\n\n>Just to be clear, you’re upset that black people aren’t killing white people at a rate BELOW average for our population size?\nYes, White people kill black people at a rate around 1/10th their population size yet are constantly vilified for it. Why shouldn't blacks be vilified when they kill at a much higher rate?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nI wasn't the guy who you are arguing with, but if you are willing to completely give up on the debate then I guess you were not confident in it"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nRepublicans are not racist, dude. Democrats are the true racists.\n>>39\n>which case the White proportion of murders of black people should also be the same as their overall population.\n\nWhites have less incentives to murder to begin with, m8.\n\n>There is a segregation effect at play, in which case the black proportion of White murders should be less than their percentage of their population the same as Whites are underrepresented in black murders.\n\nSee above.\n\n>Why shouldn't blacks be vilified when they kill at a much higher rate?\n\nYou want to the government to persecute black people because 11% of white murder victims are murdered by black people? Do you realize how absolutely insane you are?\n\nUsing your own logic the government should persecute whites and latinos more.\n\nLol."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>19\n>That’s irrelevant\nit's only irrelevant to you because you do not care if White people die.\n\nI would much prefer for every European person to know about the extent of African and Mesoamerican criminality, so that they can make informed decision as to if and how they want to protect themselves against it, such as by avoiding unnecessary contact with people from those ethnic groups and voting for policies (such as on immigration) that increase their safety from the violent crimes these groups commit."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nKeep it coming, bitch boi"}, {"id": 44, "content": "It works but it's also redundant. Why bother locking up anyone for life? Prison is death anyway, it's just a cowardly way to go about killing. Prison should be done away with in favor of beatings, mutilation, fines, and firing squads."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nIf blacks have incentives to murder, then maybe they should not be in the country"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\n>it's only irrelevant to you because you do not care if White people die.\n\nSo you’re saying we need to persecute and oppress white people then? The ones who murder 73% of white people?\n\n>such as by avoiding unnecessary contact with people from those ethnic groups and voting for policies (such as on immigration) that increase their safety from the violent crimes these groups commit.\n\n\nYour odds of being murdered by a random black or latino person are equal or less than to being murdered by a random white person m8."}, {"id": 47, "content": "I would also like to point out that US law enforcement agencies routinely classify criminals who are obviously of predominantly Mesoamerican or even African descent as \"White\" in order to falsify statistics and make it look like European-Americans are committing more crimes than they actually do. Picrelated is one list of such \"White\" criminals."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\n>Whites have less incentives to murder to begin with\nNow your argument is that blacks do commit murder against White people at a higher crime rate, like I have claimed all along.\n\n>You want to the government to persecute black people because 11% of white murder victims are murdered by black people? Do you realize how absolutely insane you are?\nNever said the government should \"persecute\" anyone. I am saying that you can't explain the gap in murder rates between blacks and Whites as purely the expected result of population size or segregation.\nFor someone railing against other's imagined realities you like to do that yourself."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>If blacks have incentives to murder, then maybe they should not be in the country\n\nEveryone has incentive to commit murder. What’s your point?\n\nWe live in a nation where rule-of-law dominates. You can’t oppress 12% of a nation because of 0.0003%."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>Your odds of being murdered by a random black or latino person are equal or less than to being murdered by a random white person m8.\nWhich is alarming since they are a minority of the population"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>Now your argument is that blacks do commit murder against White people at a higher crime rate, like I have claimed all along.\n\nYes. On par with the odds of a white murdering a white person.\n\n>Never said the government should \"persecute\" anyone.\n\nCut the shit. You want to capture, imprison, murder, and ethnically cleanse my entire race.\n\n>I am saying that you can't explain the gap in murder rates between blacks and Whites as purely the expected result of population size or segregation.\n\nCorrect. Whites tend to be better off and have no subculture of honor-shame. So murder in general is less common among them."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nThat doesn’t make any sense.\n\nBlacks are 12% of America and kill 11% of whites.\n\nLatinos are 20% of America and kill 16% of whites.\n\nThat’s perfectly proportional."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\n>Your odds of being murdered by a random black or latino person are equal or less than to being murdered by a random white person m8.\nApart from this being false, I've already shown you the map of New York and how it is effectively segregated by race. Each race murders members of its own race the most because they tend to live in neighborhoods crowded by their own race. If we were to remove Blacks and Spics, Whites could once again walk into the neighborhoods where those people used to be without fear of getting shot.\nBut you obviously know all that, and you're just arguing in bad faith with the aim of disrupting the conversation and thus preventing more people from being educated about the relevant facts, because you wish to harm White people.\n\n>So you’re saying we need to persecute and oppress white people then?\nhow about giving each race their own reservations where members of other races are not allowed to move to? Indians already have theirs, so why not Blacks and Whites?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nWashington is a pro-crime regime and blacks are one of the chief pillars supporting it. Most blacks may not commit the crimes directly but they're clearly fine with the status quo, so who cares? Crime could triple in their urban centers and they'd still vote democrat. But the most important issue is that they look weird and that's why they should live on a different continent."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>47\n>Saud\n>white\nLol, I want to know what the real statistics are"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nWhites in the ghetto are less likely to be targeted because it is well known the response and punishment will be much more intense"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>49\nWhy did you say that blacks have more incentives? What are they?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\nSo it's not the fact that blacks rare more likely to kill Whites than the reverse even accounting for population and segregation that you disagree with, it's bringing the fact up in the first place that bothers you?\nYou should lead with that the next time."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>54\nYou realize crime is one of the top 3 issues black americans vote on, right? The biggest victims of crime in America are black\n\n>most important issue is that they look weird\n\nGo choke on a dick"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nWhite people are not more likely to be targeted or victimized by black people than any other race\n\nNow stop dancing around your genocidal ideation"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>You realize crime is one of the top 3 issues black americans vote on, right\nRepublicans nominally vote on immigration as well, yet that hasn't stopped the foreign hordes from gradually overwhelming them. Public opinion doesn't affect government policy, what the dipshit plebs say they vote for is irrelevant. At the end of the day the status quo hasn't budged and spooks will always vote for pro-crime candidates who repeatedly release career criminals."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nWhy should I care what blacks do to other races, or themselves for that matter? Why do you think that black people being vastly over-represented in overall crime is fine as long as they don't overstep their population share of crimes when assaulting people of a different race?\nWhy does the media and government label White people as the primary perpetrators of interracial crime when it is easily proven false? Why shouldn't i speak up for the truth when lies are being used to vilify me and people like me?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nCatch-and-Release is an upper middle class white and black platform. The majority of middle class and poor black voters defer to the side of heavier policing in conjunction with rehabilitation."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>Why should I care what blacks do to other races, or themselves for that matter?\n\nWhy should I care what happens to white people? Because you are people too.\n\n>Why do you think that black people being vastly over-represented in overall crime is fine as long as they don't overstep their population share of crimes when assaulting people of a different race?\n\nYou’re the one saying that black people should be destroyed and ethnically cleansed from America.\n\n>Why does the media and government label White people as the primary perpetrators of interracial crime when it is easily proven false?\n\nBecause it doesn’t. You’re a butthurt white supremacist who thinks all whites are as UGLY as you are inside.\n\n>Why shouldn't i speak up for the truth when lies are being used to vilify me and people like me?\n\nBecause you’re a racist murderous lunatic who wants more anti-black and brown terrorist attacks to happen and you’re too much of a pussy to move without a gang."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>56\nwhat response? BLM rioters were allowed to burn down and demolish entire neighborhoods while brutalizing and murdering Whites for weeks and the police didn't do shit."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nAnd middle/working-class blacks in the '70s/'80s supported the war on drugs, so what?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\n>>61\nI think it's safe to say neither Black nor White voters are getting what they want from the political system."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">Another \"A small minority of a minority LE KILLS PEOPLE so the entire race should have to answer for it!\" thread\n>Another \"State the statistics but ignore that the total number of people murdered annually is around 6k. Threat it like a murderwave sweeping across the country\" thread\n>Another \"Just ignore the historical and material conditions that lead to a persistent criminal element in our inner-cities. It's all DNA and race bro\" thread\nIt's all so tiresome. We can we discuss history again man?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nAll four of them across dozens of cities? Three of which were shot by other white dudes? Fuck out of here"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>32\nDonbas separatists dont shoot up schools and supermarkets"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">lust-provoking image\n>time-wasting question\nlike clockwork"}, {"id": 72, "content": "Lol racists shut up when confronted with evidence"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>7\nslave labour is cheap as fuck in the modern age\n\nthe cost of feeding, heating, having guards around is too much for some shit a machine can do."}, {"id": 74, "content": "Nayib Bukele is based, there is no need to show mercy to the marginals, rapists and murderers\nthe french were retarded when they invented prisons criminals should be tortured\nBut don't look for opinions in /his/ these people are guys who think that the United States is the only country that exists besides being traumatized by the racial system of the United States"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\n>criminals should be tortured\nSee a psychiatrist"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>68\n>le socio economic conditions that also apply when said socio economic conditions don't apply anymore like cosmic background radiation\n?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>amerimutt"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\nbased and correct\nall of central america needs someone like him"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>37\n>delusional tranny that lives on the internet thinks mainstream conservatives want to associate their orgs with his hatred for blacks\ntouch grass. call your mother. seek employment"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>72\nwhat like picrel?"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>72\nyou mean like this?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\n>>80\nYou mean like half the earlier posts?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>2\nNaftali Frenkel solved the cost of prison by making all the prisoners work as lumberjacks or making bricks. They were fed according to their production so that sick and weak people starved."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>74\nThis.\nFirsties just don't understand what it's like to live in an actually dangerous society. The toughest and meanest american gang would be torn to pieces in any central American country."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>72\n>kill drug gangs\n>hit rapists\n>for the amerimutts that is racism\nunited states urgently needs a Nayib Bukele"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>If you lock all the thugs up and never let them out, you’ll have less crime\nWait until you learn about the death penalty."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis post made me a murderer."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>74\nmarginals?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>84\nParts of the USA are roughly as dangerous as Central America if you just look at murders. It's just more geographically limited. In countries like El Salvador gang activity is more systemic. Italy used to have systemic issues with crime and corruption but with fewer dead noncombatants. Their approach was interesting. They incentivized a lot of communist terrorist group members and mafiosi to turn into informants, and held a record-breaking trial that lasted six years and sent over 300 people to prison, 19 of whom received life sentences. When two leading judges were assassinated afterwards, the prosecution of head mafiosi intensified. In spite of this Italy has a pretty low prison population and doesn't actually send detainees to prison until they've exhausted their appeals."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>Italy\nBig chance these terroni just fled to USA. Italy isn't sending their best"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>21\n>>23\nHow is it that bumfuck rust towns in West Virginia can still have lower homicide rates than black-majority towns that are wealthier?"}, {"id": 92, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_camp\nproblem solved"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt does “work”, but Jews want their pet criminals out and about terrorizing goyim (as revenge for the Holocaust or something)"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>3\n>including 35000 women"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>91\nCan we get some profiles of these criminals in these rich black places? Like some interviews"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>8\nYou'll end up with Australians, which is worse"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliberalism"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>13\nIt is pretty amazing how Jewish record labels can direct black criminality as they wish. If they wanted them to do more insurance fraud it would be as simple as making songs about it and maybe a dance."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\nit’s not that hard to understand, every nigga comes with an endless amount of moochers who he supports. The richer the nigga, the more parasites. A dude like Michael Jackson or Mike Tyson will have like 700 parasites attached to him. Some lower middle class sow negress with a monthly settlement check will have 2-6 “boyfriends” who steal from her purse. Etc"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>18\nHow does white flight/segregation relate to this"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nWhat you are saying is that these rich black places are not as rich as stated if its just a few rich people with 700 parasites each."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhen has it worked, at best you just get criminals who get to monopolize and work with the government. Mass incarceration goes hand in hand with corruption and a fuck the citizens mentality government"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>99\nThis is true. Millionaire athletes have been sucked dry by their families and social circles, like Vince Young for instance. And if you watch the NFL draft you hear a lot of stories about the black's \"moms\". They are momma's boys raised by single mothers, and the second they get the paycheck they spoil her"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>2\nThe death penalty without right to appeal in the face of overwhelming evidence of capital offenses is the only way to move forward. Firing squads and mandated crematoria for perpetrators’ remains are the most practical way forward economically. The savings on keeping the demons alive could allow us to expand the incarceration of lesser offenders and purge society."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey should just gas all of them"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause mostly blacks then mexicans and arabs if you live in Europe get incarcerated making it racist and thus wrong. There is nothing wrong with tossing criminals in a pit."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>68\n>historical and material conditins that lead to a persistent criminal element\nThis translates into FEEL GUILTY WHITEBOI, do explain how the fuck this is gonna reduce the crime rates you progressive lunatic."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>68\n>a small minority of a minority btfo'd my ancestors so the entire race should have to answer to it"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">to prevent crime we should commit mass crime against the entire population because some of them are criminals"}, {"id": 110, "content": "It doesn't work. I would beat you in any game where we can simulate the relevant effects including the human psychological effects. The US and China don't work, Denmark works, as long as it's Danish."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\n>Ruthlessly quickly imprisoning black criminals will negatively affect black people\n\nYou white leftist are legit fucking insane holy shit"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>76\nI don't get what you're trying to say here anon.\n\n>>107\n>This translates into FEEL GUILTY WHITEBOI, do explain how the fuck this is gonna reduce the crime rates you progressive lunatic.\n\nNot what I'm trying to invoke. I don't hold the entirety of African Americans responsible for the actions of individuals because at the end of the day, they utilized their autonomy to commit crimes. I don't hold white people living today responsible for the sins of the father but it's rather disingenuous to pretend that our institutions didn't actively create the conditions we see that promote being a criminal. I don't think there'll be some clean, cookie cutter answer to reducing crime rates and that's not even what my post was about. It was about the fact that you clowns can quote statistics like your life depends on it but then fail to realize that the total number of murder victims is something like 6k.\n>>108\n>Perhaps we shouldn't be treating people as a monolithic group. These types of threads are cancerous to /his/\n>YOURE JUST COPING HERE HAVE MY CANNED /POL/-TIER RESPONSE"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>111\nYou want to kill all brown people"}, {"id": 114, "content": "People act like almost every 3rd world shithole never tried the \"just kill them all approach\" and failed"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nListen lunatic the only thing I care about is reducing crime and having zero tolerance policy for black criminal offenders would reduce crime greatly in the US"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>111\nThat's basically what we already did and it lead to us also having a prison population that exceeds place like China despite having a far lower population size"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\nHow do you know? Why did your plan never work before?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust kill them. Seriously, what is the problem? If you are found guilty of too many or too serious a crime you should just be fucking shot dead outside the courthouse. Nobody would be upset with this policy aside from criminals and their fucked up families that probably deserve to die too."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>104\nLikely not feasible to execute that many people if you need overwhelming evidence in court, especially if the courts are also busy prosecuting lower tier offenders. It's not easy to get all the required evidence for one case, let alone every crime in a category like aggravated murder. You can nail some of them with DNA evidence but that's not quick."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>115\nI dont believe you"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>117\nBlack criminals on the loose are the reason we have so much crime in America, blacks do something psychopathic its called a misdemeanor because \"the prisons are full of people of color\"so the blacks are left to commit more psychopathic bullshit until they go too far and have to get charged. Black criminal teenagers have advantage of of this legal loophole white leftist lunatics like you have caused."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>116\nSo what? As long as the crime is reduced thats all that matters who cares how the psychos feel in their pens"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">Violent crime drops massively exactly when \"tough on crime,\" long sentences and mass incarceration starts to be a thing.\n>\"M-must have been the lead in the gas! Nothing else can explain this...\""}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>114\nBut anon, just remove the legal restrictions protecting citizens one more time. They didn't have enough power last time!"}, {"id": 125, "content": "If you have any black people as friends on social media you will have seen young blacks brandishing their firearms like unhinged psychos and nothing happens to them, these firearms are most of the time illegal and yet nothing happens to them. These same blacks can then admit they plan to kill other blacks using these weapons and nothing still happens to them. It is completely ridiculous how black criminals can just admit to their evil and the police will do nothing to them."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>123\nCriminal sentencing started getting harsher in the US well beforehand, back in the 70s and 80s. It was a piecemeal process that occurred state by state."}, {"id": 127, "content": "One way to go about this is to actually track down the entire population. You need a social worker for every 1000 inhabitants or so, and when some youth starts being anti-social he goes on a list for close scrutiny. If some youth is 20 years old, has no job, not enrolled in some studies he needs to get arrested fast when he gets he does his first theft/drug offense"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>118\nBased on the fact that you're already justifying murder you're in the group most likely to justify murder and commit it.\nBased on your own logic we could extend it to include people like you, killing people that justify murders would probably stop many murders and that's a win if we look at society like a math problem.\n>>121\nDon't live in a society with people that don't share your values. You either get global power or a working society and you chose global power."}, {"id": 129, "content": "The reason I said that is, its proof that we are not arresting anything close to the bulk of evil criminal minded blacks in black areas if social media is full of blacks doing this twisted behavior constantly. Dont get me started on black youth in schools recording doing psychopathic shit to other blacks in the school, why the fuck are these blacks not behind bars exactly? Because they are black if they were white they would have been character assassinated a long time ago."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>128\nYou make me sick like every white leftist you have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING IDEA HOW BAD BLACK ON BLACK CRIME IS, thats why you handwave it like its a dog pissing on the side walk, my policies would save far more black lives and future black lives than your moral supremacist insanity you fucking piece of shit"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>117\nThat is exactly how Giuliani reduced crime in NY"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>127\nIf you're not careful you just create a lot of newly traumatized, alienated young men with criminal connections. Hence why juvenile sentencing is usually less harsh and juvie facilities less purely punitive."}, {"id": 133, "content": "Food deserts are proof the police havent taken in the bulk of the black criminal population in a black area either as you need alot of thieves to create a food desert. The Chicago riots a couple of weeks ago those were the fucking thieves who were ruining the business those scumbags were allowed to then attack motorist, burn down cars, and rob who knows how many because they were black. Complete 100 evidence of unredeemable genuinely evil black sociopaths and nothing happened to them none of them were fucking arrested. You see what Im talking about when I say most of the black criminal problem IS NOT BEHIND BARS?"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>29\n>That said, I’m not a leftist. I’m a neoconservative.\nOh so then everyone hates you and not just half the country.\n>why yes I do subscribe to the most thoroughly discredited political philosophy in modern times, why do you ask?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>121\nA felony charge remains a felony charge if the defendant is black."}, {"id": 136, "content": "Obviously gangbangers wont be behind bars because they are organized but random psychos who kill, rob, and rape other blacks are on the loose in black communities. So on the loose that black communities are basically turning into areas that are almost 100% these sort of black people which was not the case in the Jim Crow times. Your leftist policies have done nothing but ruined and destroyed blacks."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>59\n>ou realize crime is one of the top 3 issues black americans vote on\nLet me guess they blame \"the system\" for not keeping them safe?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne place in South America did this but with all the men butt naked"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>130\n>my policies would\nAt best patch inhuman globalism leading to death and decay by limiting human potential even more. You have no clue how anything works.\nWhat does black on black crime in your dystopia have to do with working societies? Why are you trying to build a society with people you despise?"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nSee look it handwaves black on black crime again"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>137\nIt's not totally false. Many victims of crime are part of the underclass, in part because perps feel confident that nobody cares to investigate when the victim is already downtrodden."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>139\nHe never mentioned humans."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\n>Im poor so I have every reason to torment another member of my race\nOh fuck off with this shit Im starting to think you white progressive might simply be evil beings at this point"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>143\nI didn't mention anything about how rich or poor the perps are."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>141\nNeither leftism nor defending blacks have any place on this website."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>144\nIts what you implied you fucking scum"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>145\n>>146\nHoly seethe"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>140\nThe entity that prosecutes crime is the same one that forces you to live with blacks. Why would you appeal to it? Why would giving it more power to incarcerate or kill help anyone? How can you reach the conclusion that the problem is that this globalist demon doesn't have enough power over human lives?"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>113\nMaybe. Maybe not."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\nNothing wrong with cranking up arrest on black criminals period, africans would see nothing wrong with this."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>128\n>Based on the fact that you're already justifying murder you're in the group most likely to justify murder and commit it.\nDamn this logic is fucking laughable dude, I hope you aren't serious. The death penalty isn't murder in the first place, and even if it were, I certainly am not a murderer for merely suggesting that the justice system execute people. Even the judge who orders it isn't a murderer, nor is the prosecution. The only one arguably murdering someone during an execution is the executioner, which is a voluntary position that few would agree to do. The rest of the system merely suggests that someone ought to be killed, and will allow someone willing enough (the executioner) to do that job in return for a salary and legal immunity for these sanctioned killings. Both philosophically and ethically this system is perfectly sound."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\n>philosophically\nSorry I meant politically."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\n>cranking up arrest on black criminals\nEnforcing the law is usually reasonable but none of the laws in America are reasonable. Everything is broken on all levels. By focusing on black crime you're avoiding the fundamental issue behind it which is multiculturalism doesn't work.\n>>151\n>I certainly am not a murderer for merely suggesting that the justice system execute people.\nMost people who murder see themselves as justified in the moment. You're demonstrating the capability of justifying such retribution to yourself. You're statistically more likely than average to convince yourself that your case is special and you should resolve it by killing people.\nThe kind of people in the kind of emotional states where they commit the worst acts aren't discouraged by death at all. Often life in prison, being shot by a cop or being fried in a chair all seem like easy escapes in the moment.\nThe death penalty is based on autism logic resting on the idea that people rationally calculate the outcomes of their actions like robots. The idea doesn't relate to reality."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\n>You're statistically more likely than average to convince yourself that your case is special and you should resolve it by killing people.\nPost a source or stfu\n\n>The death penalty is based on autism logic resting on the idea that people rationally calculate the outcomes of their actions like robots. The idea doesn't relate to reality.\nNo it is based on the logic that the rest of society need not bear the burden of career criminals who do nothing for them but make their lives objectively worse in every possible way."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nAlso young black men are most statically likely to commit murder and they certainly aren't in favour of the death penalty considering their voting tendencies."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>146\nIts not implied at all, you just cant read"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>154\n>Post a source or stfu\nIt's basic logic. You don't understand how someone who justifies killing people is more likely to justify killing people?\n>>154\n>it is based on the logic that the rest of society need not bear the burden of career criminals\nThen the goal should be producing fewer criminals, which is a goal the death penalty and the US prison system in general work against. You just make more and more. Even your blacks were relatively civilized for a while.\nIn the US jail completely releases the criminal from all the stresses of life he could never deal with, the death penalty is an even greater release.\nIn Denmark the criminals turn pale thinking of spending a single additional day pretending to care what some catlady social worker says."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>104\nthis. if a criminal is guilty of capital crime without any possibility of doubt, it should be capital punishment.\n\nalso diagnosed psychopaths should be locked up and never released."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>83\n>inb4 jacked lumberjack felon revolt"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>128\nniggers like you deserve to be raped & murdered by these people you simp so much for."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nYou're the one pretending you can build a society with them."}, {"id": 162, "content": "Incarceration of innocent people is itself a crime, and no justice system is perfect at avoiding this. It's called \"false imprisonment\" when normal people without state power do it.\nDo those supposed crime reductions still exist once you consider state crimes, or do they go away?"}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>157\n>It's basic logic.\nYou are making an argument about statistics and you have no statistics to prove your claim, so I'm not going to entertain this point anymore.\n\nAs for your second point I agree the US prison system is flawed and its present existence actual creates more criminals, it does need reform. That point is mostly unrelated to my final point I will make here though. Personally I don't care whether a criminal is enjoying themselves in prison or not, if they are out of my life and unable to negatively affect me or my family or community am satisfied. If the death penalty is a release for them, I don't care, their removal from society is my release from the burden of their existence, all the better if it is permanent. What a prisoner feels about the death penalty is not relevant and shouldn't be relevant, what is relevant is how society feels about it, and I think most people rationally prefer the death penalty for chronic offenders and those who commit especially heinous crimes.\n\nThe end."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\n>their removal from society is my release from the burden of their existence\nYour removal is my release from the burden of not having your money. I also suspect you may try to kill me in the future based on how passionately you argue for killing when you believe it serves you."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nNTA, but prisoners and especially ex-cons are part of society. Pretty much every state with rule of law acknowledges this. The question we ask when considering how to handle them is how their needs do or don't conflict with those of the non-incarcerated population. Hence why prisons aren't death traps or torture chambers, at least to the degree that the responsible authority imposes fair treatment and the rule of law."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>54\n>But the most important issue is that they look weird and that's why they should live on a different continent\nholy based"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>163\n>What a prisoner feels about the death penalty is not relevant\nHow policies affect people in heated moments that may or may not lead to them becoming murderers is relevant to how many murderers there are and how much danger you're in of being murdered."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Where did this idea come from that “mass incarceration doesn’t work”?\n>\n>If you lock all the thugs up and never let them out, you’ll have less crime\nUS crime statistics directly corroborate this, crime falls after high levels of policing and incarceration.\n\n>>2\n>It's prohibitively expensive\nMoney isn't real. More than half of the US economy is F.I.R.E. bullshit.\n\nGod I love how blatantly stupid communists like you are, it's so overt.\n\n>HUIRR DURR PRISON COSTS LOTTA MONEY\n>crime is free though\nDo you also think it'd be cheaper overall to have no police? Lewl, fucking retard."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>114\n>third world shitholes\nLet's just say that crime is more than...skin deep anon ;)\n\nand people also act like countries such as Singapore don't exist which are actually tough on crime and ostensibly very effective, reminds me of the drug debate, people in the US love to say it's impossible to stop drug use and that laws are draconian, but they are baby tier compared to Singapore which incidentally doesn't have a drug problem like the US"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>17\n>>11\nblack on White is preventable if they were removed, black on black will happen as long as blacks exist, White on White will happen as long as Whites exist.\nMurders on eachother would end entirely if we had common sense segregation or repatriation."}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>169\nAsiatic nations have low crime because asian people have a shame based society that looks down on criminality where as we americans think blacks killing each other is something that should be applauded because its racist to think otherwise"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>168\nCrime is expensive too. It dissuades investment and breaks up communities."}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>169\nSingapore is an incredibly affluent island nation where police and surveillance are widespread, guns are strictly controlled, and laws on things like hate speech and settlement patterns prevent a lot of interpersonal tensions. It's not something you can expect to be replicated in a larger, freer country."}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>170\nYay our murderers are now the same race as their victims\n\nWho cares"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>174\nYou must understand white on white murder is infrequent compared to black on black thats why no one cares about it like black on black murder, I can literally post the black on black murders that happened for this week right now but as a white on white murder that hasnt happened yet despite there being more crackers than negroes in America greatly now dont you just find that weird? While Joe kills a guy once a month, Jamal and Tyquan shoot up someone once per day instead, now tell me you fucking cuck piece of shit who is the greater threat to human life Joe or Jamal and Tyquan?"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>173\n>what no you can't just ignore the conditions involved, you think people can limitlessly adapt like that?\n>btw we NEED billions of third world migrants, they'll assimilate easily\nlol\nyou always see this exact same retard rhetoric from left wing apologists\n\nif Singapore can do it, anyone can do it\nit's proof of concept"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\nblack murderers are comically inept at killing you. If I have to die, I at least want to murdered by someone with a decent IQ so they properly empty my bank account first and then blow my brains out with a well armed shot. Your typical nig crime spree means they try to execute the person using some 6th grader logic like spraying their face with RAID and then jumping on their chest a lot, before robbing their pocket of $3.50 and a stick of juicy fruit. Blacks literally cannot do anything right."}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>176\n>muh conditions\nAcknowledging muh racism wont drop black on black crime rates so its fucking retarded to keep insisting we do this, your intention is not to solve crime you are just an ideological lunatic who wants us whites to feel guilty"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>175\nThat doesn't mean they're not going to murder people, just their victims will be of a different race. And I hate to break it you you, but I literally don't care whose race the victim is."}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>177\n>black murderers are comically inept at killing you\nDriveby shooters dont really give a shit if they hit their target but actual homicidal blacks who are out to kill a target will fuck them up in very horrifying ways like that poor little white boy in 2020 who had a black psycho walk up to him and blast his brains out unprovoked. Weird how I literally cant find a white on black equivalent of this for this century."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>177\nI don't care how you prefer to die."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>177\n>>174\nhere is a real example of negro criminality at work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders\n\n\nThey first tried to murder their victims \"silent like n shit\" by having them drink drano because that was something they saw in a movie. That didn't work. Then they tried killing them by shoving a pen down their ear. That didn't work. They obviously raped and murdered all the women (they suceeded at that, so credit to them). The entire adventure netted them like $70. Completely inept."}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>173\n>we're more free because we have huge amounts of violent crime and death\nWeird flex, but ok."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>183\n>free\n>say anything bad about blacks even if you are black yourself\n>get socially crucified"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>182\nYeah and in the 80s bunch of white hicks shot and raped bunch of teenagers smoking weed because because they thought the police were allowed to do that"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>185\n>shot\nah, imagine having the foresight to bring a gun to a murder, such a wonderful thing to be attacked by someone with adult human inteligence!"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExtremely Extremely expensive\n/thread"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>185\n>in the 80s\nYou just proved how infrequent white violent behavior is, you lefties are so stupid if you dont realize the fact you retards have to jump 60 years into the past and bring up lynhcings shows that whites are basically non violent people in general. Where as me I can show you this you fucking piece of shit\nBLACK MAN CHASES LITTLE WHITE GIRL INTO HER HOME AND SHOOTS HER AND HER FUCKING FAMILY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT\nTHIS HAPPENED IN THIS FUCKING MONTHN YOU ANTI WHITE PIECE OF SHIT\nhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/6-year-parents-neighbor-shot-after-basketball-rolls/story?id=98717589"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>186\nAnd that one case proves everything about tens of thousands of people and that stupid white murderers don't exist, I am in agreement"}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>173\n>Singapore is an incredibly affluent island nation where police and surveillance are widespread\nTiny city state\n\n>guns are strictly controlled, and laws on things like hate speech and settlement patterns prevent a lot of interpersonal tensions.\nInterpersonal tensions still occur lmao.\n\n\n> It's not something you can expect to be replicated in a larger, freer country.\nNot even Songapireans like it abd the whole \"gem in a sea of poverty\" aspect it had vanished as SEA got better."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>188\nHe was the one who posted something from the 70s. White people do not kill children, it is known"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>189\n>White murderers\nHavent turned settlements into god forsake hellholes due to their murder rates so they are not an argument you anti white lunatic. This is very obvious in Europe a far whiter place than America where their murderous white minority have yet to make cities as unlivable as their psychotic arab and african recent imports on the otherhand. The fucking police in Sweden are so used to a very low frequency of murder that the arab and african crime has them completely stumped thats what the criminal white minority creates in their own land. Stfu you progressive piece of shit.\n>Muh Russia\nNAME ONE AREA IN AMERICA IS A HELLHOLE DUE TO HUMANS OR RUSSIAN DESCENT CRIMINAL VIOLENCE NAME ONE YOU FUCKER NAME ONE NOW"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>192\nYou are correct, there has never been slums made up of white people."}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>193\n>slums\nAre a thing globally in all races, you are so mentally ill you dont even realize the average white human in America is poor as shit while your so called oppressed African kings and queens live like nobles compared to them. No one fucking helps poor whites in America at all they get the bare brunt of this affirmative action lunacy the most the poor whites who want to get into the middle class oh whoops sorry you aint diverse and you clearly have privilege despite coming from a mining town that is economically in the shitter lets give this application to a black male who completely failed all of their classes and most likely be arrested and kicked out of the university for random criminal shenanigans he engages in because DIVERSITY IS STRAIGHT FUCK WHITE SUPREMACY"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>188\n>infrequent white violent behavior\nLmao you actually believe this? Americans are inherently violent."}, {"id": 196, "content": "black men commit alot of crime and therefore are incarcerated at a higher rate. \"mass incarceration\" wouldn't be a thing if black men didn't exist."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>191\n>White people do not kill children\nYou sure?"}, {"id": 198, "content": "mass incaceration \"doesnt work\" because blacks cant stop committing crime, its that simple. you can lock up a billion blacks, the ones on the outside will still commit crime."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>196\n>\"mass incarceration\" wouldn't be a thing if black men didn't exist.\nIt still would exist. America has a tendency for it since day one. Many prisons still exist in areas with a white population. Mass incarceration isn't just merely having prisons allover the place but rather the cultural and political beliefs of the area."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>195\nIf such a thing were true the whitest cities in the US would be the no go zones for everyone including tourist not the black ones. Whites would also have a violent savage reputation back in the Old World too since obviously euros would be violent psychos if americans are too since americans literally euros seperated by 500 years of genetic distance. None of this exists so your argument about muh white people actually violent is complete nonsense."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>88\npeople who cant just live a crimeless life, mental people"}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>200\n>None of this exists so your argument about muh white people actually violent is complete nonsense.\nHave you seen the news? He'll compared to their peers in Europe they still have pretty bad metrics"}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>198\nIf there are still so many criminals out there that frequent black crime occurs then it means blacks are no mass incarcerated they are under incarcerated big time. I have no clue why blacks care so much when their criminal scum gets arrested for doing very evil things to other black people. Ive notice many blacks have this really stupid idea blacks fill up prisons because white people call the police on them even though alot of blacks that say this have called the cops on black criminals that attacked them before."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>199\nit literally would not exist. look at Europe, small prison population with very low crime rates. Asia is the same way, with even less prisoners.\n\nThanks to increased immigration to europe from africa, the incarcerations rates have increased like 10x since the 1990s."}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>202\nBrown folk move to white countries easily thats the ultimate proof whites are not violent people, if they were the brown immigrants would meet white teenagers with sticks that beat them to death for no explained reason"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>203\n>I have no clue why blacks care so much when their criminal scum gets arrested for doing very evil things to other black people.\nBecause prisons lack space and funding even in areas that back mass Incarceration on top of no real rehabilitation policies to mitigate recidivism."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>206\nAnon please there is no way those ghetto sociopaths are even thinking this remotely this is what YOU think the white liberal. The average black who whines about the police killing blacks is also a psycho with a nice black on black crime record."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>207\nWhat are you sperging on about? In states that use mass incarceration they cannot afford to provide adequate conditions and cell space which has one if the reasons why it's collapsing."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>208\nAnd prison staff face either jackshit pay (so mass turnover) or the prisons have to offer exorbitant salaries to key staff to keep them such as how overpaid prison doctors are in the US."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>208\n>adequate conditions\nCriminal monkeys dont deserve shit but a nice box that cages them in, this idea we need to treat criminals fine is exactly why our cities are now full of crime you liberal criminal loving lunatics"}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>210\nNah you are insane nigga. If you want mass incarceration you need to fund that shit and not half ass it if you don't want it to fail. Unless you are some deranged LatAm who has a imprisonment kink."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>148\n>The entity that prosecutes crime is the same one that forces you to live with blacks.\nNo it isn't. Segregation was legal in some states and struck down by the Supreme Court. Now we largely live among those in our social class, but that doesn't stop communist jews from shitting up nice places with Section 8 commieblocks. So historically speaking not all politicians are good for nothing leftists who let feral blacks walk all over Americans like the pieces of shit in Jew York or California that order you to run away if they attack you. Politicians are more complex than that. And not every cop was an impotent blm tranny, even if they are pussy whipped by the state. In fact, the state used to treat blacks appropriately. Now they are free to riot and loot. To answer your question, the people being discussed are not human, so I as a human have no problem with police punishing them for committing crime or larping as criminals, which the vast majority of them do. And this has actually worked when blue areas weren't entirely ruled by pussies or corrupt blacks"}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>211\nFail how? Just throw the scum into their cage thats all you need to do."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>199\n>It still would exist.\nCoooope. Whites are underrepresented in crime even if the jewish FBI pads our numbers with hispanics and Arabs. Most communities would leave their doors unlocked at night. Australia was where white criminals were sent to die and yet they live better than blacks"}, {"id": 215, "content": ">>212\n>stop communist jews from shitting up nice places with Section 8 commieblocks.\nAnon that is homeowners doing that.\n\n>So historically speaking not all politicians are good for nothing leftists who let feral blacks walk all over Americans like the pieces of shit in Jew York or California that order you to run away if they attack you.\nBoth states are actually pretty segregated.\n\n>which the vast majority of them do. And this has actually worked when blue areas weren't entirely ruled by pussies or corrupt blacks\nLmao those states equally as bad if not worse. Do you just grab your info from crazy blogs and subreddits? Tgis vkards needs flags"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>176\nI said nothing about immigration.\n>>190\nIt's still by far the wealthiest and least corrupt place in the region."}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>213\nYou need money for that.\n\n>>214\nLol you are going on a tangent at this point. Do you not know how other groups even see Americans let alone white ones?"}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>215\n>segregated\nDue to evil black behavior, literally no race likes blacks in America, some races like spics can physically fuck them up and get away with it because they are le oppressed minority too, others like the various asians have to take it up the ass however. It isnt that white people are le racist who hate living around blacks, it has and always has been that\nBLACKS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COEXIST PEACEFULLY WITH NON BLACK PEOPLE. You can even see this in London where pakis are the majority yet blacks still piss them off with their bullshit"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>204\nIn Europe the stereotypically criminal minority is either Roma people or Arabs."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>216\n>least corrupt place\nIt has plenty of corruption. It just hides them in different ways. Singapore just doesn't have that same pull because there's way more options for a worker to move to. Currently Singapore has to fill up kabour vacancies in the high and low end jobs so more and more of its labour force are just temporary expats"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese threads always attract ideas too dumb to be called edgy\n>I'd solve prison by just KILLING EM ALL"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>217\nI only care about the truth tranny, not what retards like you falsely believe. Our cities, like Detroit, Baltimore, or Chicago ould also return to being centers of learning and not oversized ghettos if not for blacks, in addition to being more safe"}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>218\nIt didn't matter if you were an angel - segregation laws still kept you down. The governor of AR basically shut down Little Rock public schools for a year rather than admit ten black kids who had excellent grades and no behavior problems lol."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>221\nKilling prisoners would save money for the prisons so thats a good idea shold be done to people given life sentences"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>218\n>others like the various asians have to take it up the ass however\nAsians aren't a monolith. Flips and Chibese multimillionaire are not the same.\n\n>BLACKS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO COEXIST PEACEFULLY WITH NON BLACK PEOPLE. You can even see this in London where pakis are the majority yet blacks still piss them off with their bullshit.\nLol no. You seem to forget that whites tend to leave neighborhoods with Asians. Giw dies that fit your narrative exactly?"}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>223\nIm talking about NOW you lunatic not le Jim Crow times"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">>222\nBaltimore would still be blighted if overnight it became white. It's got few decent jobs and its position is perfect for smuggling guns and drugs."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>225\n>whites tend to leave neighborhoods with Asians\nYh the same race that views Japan as utopia vacant if an area is too chinese get the fuck out of here"}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>210\n>Send normal person to prison for 6 months for some relatively minor, non-violent offence\n>They get immediately rasicalised and brutalised by a needlessly harsh prison environment and turn into a violent criminal"}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>225\n>Asians aren't a monolith\nThey come from cultures that look down on casual violence so they cannot attack random black psychos that INTENTIONALLY target their race in America"}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>187\njust defund the police to save money"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>222\n>Our cities, like Detroit, Baltimore, or Chicago ould also return to being centers of learning\nThey lost their relevancy ages ago. Also Detroit and Chicago's poor areas are very self-contained if you actually have been there."}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>229\n>He thinks any of us sees prison as rehab\nYou have to be completely insane believing locking up a guy with psychos is gonna make him a well functioning productive citizen when hes out, prison is TORTURE get that in your head fucking liberal scum. Very evil felons like most black gangbangers shouldnt even be able to sleep peacefully in prisons they should be getting physically tortured every single day."}, {"id": 234, "content": ">>230\n>They come from cultures that look down on casual violence\nLmao you haven't seen them at all. You know how fucked some if them can get?\n\n>so they cannot attack random black psychos that INTENTIONALLY target their race in America\nStill eating that covid media drip?"}, {"id": 235, "content": ">>232\n>Just stay in le white areas\nYou are only proving us right and Detroit is 80% black the entire city is a giant no go zone for white people in general, as its so black that the black supremacist psychopathy of detroit blacks is a whole new tier of batshit crazy compared to blacks in say Chiraq for example its pretty much a second South Africa."}, {"id": 236, "content": ">>233\n>prison is TORTURE get that in your head fucking liberal scum.\nIt's not supposed to be torture. Even in the very first implementation ages back never tried to use it as a form of torture.\n\n\n>>233\n>Very evil felons like most black gangbangers shouldnt even be able to sleep peacefully in prisons they should be getting physically tortured every single day.\nI bet you typed this up with one hand lol. Keep your torture fetish on the down low at least."}, {"id": 237, "content": ">>227\nWithout blacks you could actually walk about Baltimore without worrying about some black psycho shooting you, robbing you or raping you if you are female. The simple fact the outside becomes ridiculously safer means businesses can come back to Baltimore and make a profit creating jobs."}, {"id": 238, "content": ">>235\n>Just stay in le white areas.\nIt's not actually the \"white\" area and as a heads up there are plenty of whites who live outside the downtown core"}, {"id": 239, "content": ">>232\n>They lost their relevancy ages ago\nYes. When NIGGERS flooded them and crime/racial terrorism ensued"}, {"id": 240, "content": ">>236\nLike all leftist loons you do no understand blacks in the slighest especially their truely monstrous demonic scum the gangbangers, the majority of gangbangers have very disturbing academic disciplinary records going all the way back when they were literal fucking children in other words\nTHESE ARE LEGIT PURELY EVIL BLACK PEOPLE WHO ASPIRED SINCE THEY WERE KIDS TO TORMENT, RUIN, AND DESTROY BLACK COMMUNITIES FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES YET YOU STILL FEEL EMPATHY FOR THEM"}, {"id": 241, "content": ">>237\n>The simple fact the outside becomes ridiculously safer means businesses can come back to Baltimore and make a profit creating jobs.\nNo anon. Why would companies pick Baltimore when they left for better places prior to the crime jump? As that anon said its also in a key location for smuggling abd drugs so why do you think those would go away exactly?"}, {"id": 242, "content": ">>240\nPrison is not designed to be torture. The minute you do that it has failed."}, {"id": 243, "content": ">>241\nThey left because blacks make it impossible to make a profit thats why but they will lie and say that wasnt the case."}, {"id": 244, "content": ">>243\nSo you pulled that out your ass?"}, {"id": 245, "content": ">>241\n>so why do you think those would go away exactly?\nBecause we know the criminals there are black"}, {"id": 246, "content": ">>240\nSo you only want to torture the black prisoners?"}, {"id": 247, "content": ">>245\nYou think companies masturbate to crime stats all day? Why pick Baltimore when it offers no real niche or utility and manufacturing left ages ago?"}, {"id": 248, "content": ">>246\nThe torture is justice for all the human suffering they have inflicted in their pre caged lives it has nothing to do with me. You have no idea how evil black gangbangers are you sheltered little bitch, they literally fucking kill innocent people as an initiation into their psycho clique"}, {"id": 249, "content": ">>247\nIts a major US city you imbecile of course companies would set up shop in a black free Baltimore because that mean races that arent black will now populate it and buy their shit far more often than the thieving black psychos"}, {"id": 250, "content": ">>249\nYou dint know what you are talking about. Many areas are extremely segregated with no black fir de ages yet the investment STILL hasn't come in droves."}, {"id": 251, "content": ">>248\nPrison isn't a place for torture. Also why do you think they'd stop at just torturing black prisoners and target others too? You think being Hispanic ir white would \"spare\" you."}, {"id": 252, "content": ">>250\nBaltimore is over 50% black if doesnt matter in the slightest how muh waah waah segregated it is and Detroit is a full on african country in racial demographics. Also dont act like blacks have no power in these cities the black supremacist lunacy in these cities is so high that the very white liberals who live in them admit that blacks can do extremely evil things to them and get away with it because the fucking law is black, the fucking courts are black, and the fucking police are black they wont help your cracker ass one bit unless you got alot of money to bribe someone who controls them. The reason these cities have le unemployed black young people is because those young black people dont fucking want jobs to begin with in the same way they give no shits about higher education either not because of le oppression but they are just horrible pieces of shit who think killing,robbing, and raping other blacks is hilarious."}, {"id": 253, "content": ">>251\nYou think I care if some white serial killer gets tortured?"}, {"id": 254, "content": ">>252\nLmao you are ranting so hard. Why do you think Baltimore would s6ddenlu change? There's other \"white\" towns and cities that have never recovered from the list of manufacturering and jobs. Why is Baltimore any different?\n\n>>253\nWhy do you assume he's a serial killer?"}, {"id": 255, "content": ">>254\nBaltimore is not comparable to them as its a metropolitan city and one of the cities that made America known in the Old World"}, {"id": 256, "content": ">>255\nCIties change all the time you retard."}, {"id": 257, "content": ">>256\nBut the regression in Baltimore is unnatural, there are many documentares on the black criminal problem in Baltimore yet you choose to act like this city is remotely normal by American standards"}, {"id": 258, "content": ">>257\nBecause city jobless isn't quite rate. Also the city fucked itself in the past by passing so many laws shifting blacks around in segregated zones allover the place that it fucked the housing market that initially desired the ordinances in thr first place"}, {"id": 259, "content": ">>258\nFor example if the city suddenly rekabeks an area \"black\" that fucks over any homeowner living there of any race. On top of that Baltimore placed highways that ran through many neighborhoods gutting their value and targetted certain ones to do so"}, {"id": 260, "content": ">>247\n>manufacturing\nWhat is this, the 1940s? The manufacturing industry declined nationwide with the advent of machinery and outsourcing. Service industry is the largest by now, so it looks like most whites adjusted to the decline fine. Stop defending apes"}, {"id": 261, "content": ">>5\ndeath sentence is allegedly even more expensive because the appeals process is more stringent (most countries have a higher standard for death than for life in prison). also because anti-death penalty groups will constantly raise legal challenges to make it more expensive then say \"see its too expensive\""}, {"id": 262, "content": ">>260\n>Service industry is the largest by now\nOnly the areas that could abd have the population to back it up.\n\n>looks like most whites adjusted to the decline fine.\nNot even remotely true lol. You know nothing brownie."}, {"id": 263, "content": ">>237\nOh yeah never mind the poverty, decay, and perfect conditions for smuggling."}, {"id": 264, "content": ">>261\n>also because anti-death penalty groups will constantly raise legal challenges to make it more expensive then say \"see its too expensive\"\nIt's not even just that. If you fuck it up you basically spent millions on the process because of how costly the actual killing by the state costs. Even in states that have it, they only really do it for cases they think it can pass on."}, {"id": 265, "content": ">>261\nYeah but the appeals process is pretty important. Even with appeals allowed, there are wrongful executions."}, {"id": 266, "content": ">>68\nYou stupid fuck, blacks themselves foment criminality, so why shouldn't they answer for it? Even the black mayor of Chicago defends looting scum, and when blacks end up living in \"food deserts\" they continue to blame \"the system\"/racism for their woes. The actual culprit is black criminals who rob stores and start trouble until they lose money. Blacks just take it all for granted. What they should do is start tearing criminals limb from limb because the threat of going to jail obviously isn't enough to keep them out of jail, especially if they aren't affiliated with a gang. Victims' families should take matters into their own hands, the disgustingness and filth should be purged. They partake in anti-social behavior and shoot themselves in the foot to own the white man. A good example of this is their behavior in schools. There are high schools in Baltimore with a graduation rate below 50%, and city-wide, the rate comes up to 68%. So 1 in 3 is a high school dropout. They are never going to be jews but their social standing and proclivity to commit crimes is their own doing and not taken seriously enough. Meanwhile the faggots lose their shit when a white man kills a nig in self defense. They believe all whites responsible and love to make the fates of other blacks like Floyd or Trayvon Martin about themselves so why shouldn't I hold them to their own standards? If they believe an attack on one is an attack on them the opposite should apply and\n>whites should hold all blacks responsible for attacks on whites against blacks\n>blacks should hold their own responsible, but they'll never do that"}, {"id": 267, "content": ">>262\n>Only the areas that could abd have the population to back it up.\nLiterally everywhere, retarded nigger lover, and Maryland has millions of people. Is one of the richest states. Stop being a fucking faggot, the manufacturing industry hasn't been big in decades"}, {"id": 268, "content": ">>267\n>Literally everywhere, retarded nigger lover.\nLol not really. Many areas are just husks. You need to stop fixating on the few exceptions. Look at West Virginia lol."}, {"id": 269, "content": ">>266\nLol you are frothing at the mouth. Did you get banned from reddit cuz these types of rant posts are pretty common in there"}, {"id": 270, "content": ">>267\n>Maryland has millions of people. Is one of the richest states.\nAlso is 34% Black."}, {"id": 271, "content": ">>131\nHe didn't. Crime was reducing before he came in for quite some time and Giuliani just lied that he was the eon that caused it"}, {"id": 272, "content": ">>269\nNot an argument nigger lover\nNo I don't post on nigger lover websites\nNow if you'll excuse me I'll be watching a hockey game that is almost nigger-free instead of arguing with nigger loving npcs"}, {"id": 273, "content": ">>270\nBlacks are poor in Maryland\nhttps://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-racial-disparities-employment-20180416-story.html"}, {"id": 274, "content": ">>268\nAh West Virginia, leftists' favorite outlier to pretend whites are equal to blacks"}, {"id": 275, "content": ">>272\n>Now if you'll excuse me I'll be watching a hockey game that is almost nigger-free instead of arguing with nigger loving npcs\nYou are the one that can't stop talking about Niggers."}, {"id": 276, "content": ">>192\nRussia itself is a hellhole."}, {"id": 277, "content": ">>275\nAnd you are defending niggers\nYou even capitalized nigger"}, {"id": 278, "content": ">>277\nAnd why does this capitalization trigger you?"}, {"id": 279, "content": ">>276\nUHM ASCHULLY THEYRE NOT WHITE"}, {"id": 280, "content": ">>265\nI agree, I'm not sure I have a solution."}, {"id": 281, "content": ">create the equivalent of NEETs just to satisfy your rhetoric"}, {"id": 282, "content": ">>261\nDon't allow indefinite appeals.\nTake scumbags out by having a firing squad behind the courthouse."}, {"id": 283, "content": ">>49\n>We live in a nation where rule-of-law dominates. You can’t oppress 12% of a nation because of 0.0003%.\nKek, 1 in 3 black men is a felon"}, {"id": 284, "content": ">>282\n>Take scumbags out by having a firing squad behind the courthouse.\nThat's what shitholes do anon. Do you live in a shithole thirdie state?"}, {"id": 285, "content": ">>283\nYou misquoted that \"stat\" wrong. It's 1 in 3 assuming 2001 incarceration trends stayed the same. They didn't however."}, {"id": 286, "content": ">>285\nThis is literally on whitehouse.gov anon"}, {"id": 287, "content": ">>286\nAs of 2008 the inareration rate for Black men is 1 in 9"}, {"id": 288, "content": ">>287\nhttps://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2022/05/09/expanding-economic-opportunity-for-formerly-incarcerated-persons/\n>All told, as of 2010, nearly 1 in 3 Black men have felony convictions\nOn whitehouse.gov. During the Biden administration. Even your number is much higher than 0.000003%. That's over 10%"}, {"id": 289, "content": ">>288\nand targeting such a population is stupid considering men from other races would get caught up in it too."}, {"id": 290, "content": ">>287\n>the inareration rate for Black men\nNot the same thing, nigger loving npc! You could have easily looked this up but you chose not to, and you still make niggers look bad. Incarceration rate refers to current prison population. Prison sentences end, so we are not even on the same wavelength. 1 in 9 currently behind bars is insane. please"}, {"id": 291, "content": ">>290\nIncarceration is the rate for ones currently in prison. Felony conviction covers people who also served time or long left crime."}, {"id": 292, "content": ">>291\n>Felony conviction covers people who also served time or long left crime.\nIn other words, criminals."}, {"id": 293, "content": ">>290\n>1 in 9 currently behind bars is insane. please\nand the rates for other males in America is still pretty bad to. So why not jail those men too or expand the system to detain more men?"}, {"id": 294, "content": ">>292\nNot really."}, {"id": 295, "content": ">>284\nThat's what shitholes don't do.\n\nHow retarded do you have to be to want a serial killer to stay alive?\nThere's no guarantee he stays in prison for life.\nIf society collapses, he is free to rape and murder again."}, {"id": 296, "content": ">>293\nShut up, nigger animal."}, {"id": 297, "content": ">>294\nYou commit a crime, you're a criminal"}, {"id": 298, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLook at all that diversity."}, {"id": 299, "content": ">>unknown\nEven if what you mentioned is not jewish hearsay, I don't care anyway. And guess what? You wanted this. You wanted race consciousness everywhere. And guess what? I now see you as subhumans not worthy of respect or empathy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the Med bvll meme a cope? I've seen leftists claim that Romans and Greeks were Middle Eastern, or mulattoes. Is this just a psyop of some sort?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho cares?\nWhites, including said liberals, are going to die out in 100 year or more anyway."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither Romans nor Greeks were \"Mediterranean\" or whatever coping buzzword, as they had existed 1000 or even 2000 years ago in completely different circumstances. Both Greeks and Romans were by far the most WSH-admixed and northern-shifted existing people of their times, not only in urban civilized areas but across the whole world.\nAt 1 CE, Eastern and Northern Europe - populated by modern-like people with 50% WSH - had around 3,000,000 people overall while other regions - populated by Celto-Italic and Thraco-Illyrian people with only 30% WSH - had around 30,000,000 people.\nPeople with more than 30% WSH constituted only 10% of the European population so claiming Greco-Romans weren't the Nordics of their times is literally like claiming Spanish aren't Mediterraneans as Sardinians with much more EEF still exist."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nExplain this image to me"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nAll Europeans except the ones in Baltic, Britain, and Scandinavia were genetically spics in the Iron Age."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n90% of europe and central asia in the iron age was above 30% steppe\n\nromans were spics with 25% steppe admixture or less\nthe greeks were tubrospics with 15% steppe admixture\nthey were definitely not the nordics of their time\n\nsome kazakhs reached 70% steppe admixture, they were definitely the nordics of their times, surpassing even northern europeans"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nShoo-shoo, goblinito. Begone."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nyou will never be white"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>he started to whine\nGrim."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou have to face the facts, Giuseppe.\n>>7"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>he's trying to re-force his being shitalian\nGrim?..."}, {"id": 13, "content": "I HATE HAPLOKEKS I HATE HAPLOKEKS"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nthere are a lot of incorrect things in this chart\n\nthere's no DEU_LIA on g25\nthat's the DEU_Roman sample (id: FN_2), since it score the same results\n\nDistance to: DEU_Roman\n0.02156545 Spanish_Catalunya_Central\n0.02346295 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona\n0.02403037 Spanish_Baleares\n0.02427525 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona\n0.02434128 Spanish_Castello\n0.02533252 Spanish_Mallorca\n0.02537786 Spanish_Penedes\n0.02581898 Spanish_Menorca\n\nbut it's not from the iron age, it's dated 300-500 AD\n\nthe SRB_Naissus are also not from the late iron age(they are simply called SRB_Naissus on g25, not SRB_Naissus_LIA)\nthey are dated 26.0-405.0 AD\n\nand lastly, the SVN_Emona are not from the late iron age (they are simply called SVN_Emona on g25, not SVN_Emona_LIA) they are dated 238-404.5 AD"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>re-force his being\nEnglish, please.\nIron Age Italians didn't look like you. I'm sorry."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>7\nthis seems to be the case\n\nby iron age standards, that had people with 70% steppe admixture like the kaz_kyzyl_EIA, someone with 22% steppe like the roman sample would be considered even less nordic than someone that is 22% steppe in the modern age"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n>not from the iron age\nEven worse, lmao, as that's definitely all locals.\n>>16\nTen percent, goblinito.\n>>15\nRead this, ape: >>3."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nLowest Steppe % in Europe LMAO\n>>7"}, {"id": 19, "content": "muh steppe bix nood"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nLuigi, you can't even troll, it's miserable."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n> that had people with 70% steppe admixture like the kaz_kyzyl_EIA\nhey man, just found out these russian, moldovan, hungarian and ukrainian scythian and cimmerian samples are from the iron age\nand the ukranian cimmerian samples can be modeled with a massive 73% steppe\nfor the standards of the iron age, your average swede could be considered a low steppe farmercuck and the 25% steppe romans and the 15% steppe greeks were basically piece of shit stuck under the foot of the aryans"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nLuigi is going mad, stop him somebody! His copium is ending!"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\nEnjoy your Chinese overlords"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\nI already debunked this shit Mordvix retard.\n\n>Both Greeks and Romans were by far the most WSH-admixed and northern-shifted existing people\nExcept for the entirety of central Asia, steppe region, northeast Caucasus, Germany, France, Hungary, etc, all had more than them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nadd RUS_Tagar and KAZ_Wusun and KAZ_Sarmatian, they're from the iron age and they have massive amounts of steppe admixture"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nby the standards of the iron age with a lot of 70% steppe niggas running around, the 25% steppe romans were clearly hijra goblinito pygmies, as our good friend mordvix would say"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>14\nNo one is reading all that lmao. Italians and spaniards were slaved and germed kek"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>>25\n>>24\nMake me a pizza, you worthless goblin, and begone.\n>>27\nBased."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nWhy is the Anthrogenica goblinito italian such a whining ape?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThis time he was quite strong I must say, he whined only in the last post and this was actually the last post."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomans and ancient Greeks were less yamnaya than modern Italians and Greeks, so were even less white. Also many Greeks were from MENA so were unironiclally MENA-shifted."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>less white\nNo evidence of this. And Yamnaya ancestry doesn't equal whiteness. Mediterraneans received later gene flow from the Near East.\n\nEast Med != farmer"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>19% WSH instead of 15%\nSo Ionians were even more Aryan than Achaeans? Wow!\n(see >>3, retard)"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>more Aryan\nOnly woman. The logkas samples with 40% steppe are women too. Greek civilization was anatolian man and steppe woman."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nThe sex bias in favor of Yamnaya men was confirmed. The whole palace of Nestor is R1b. It's over, darktroon."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSenatorial Mediterraneans are predestined to rule the world."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>7\n>>21\n/thread"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nDid you make my pizza, goblin?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nPizza is not delivered to Kamchatka."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nBring it to me yourself then."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nMy establishment has a strict policy where we only serve humans. Mya apologies. Now if you excusea me. I have tah cookah da pizza."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>26\nTrue"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>>42\nThis shitalian servant is mad now. Sad."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nIt'sa justah dio policy of mya good-ah establishment. We-a had you genetically tested and for some reason we were told your closest living relative was some sort of fungus endemic to the island of Svenskøya in-a svalvard. We are a very confused about this. We a tried to ask notorious race-a experto hakan about it and he mumbled something about the ibero-maurusians and the bandigara escarpment coupled with a something about a meteorite falling into a chukotkan swamp befor-e leaving us."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>unknown\nYes, Pedro. The Grecco-Roman statues weren't actually painted. It's all a conspiracy"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nYes some statues even retained their natural paint."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Illya wuz everything\n>Still completely irrelevant to anyone outside of niche E-groups.\nIf your genes actually meant anything you'd be AT LEAST running a small criminal enterprise or business by now. Not shitposting about archaeogenetics on 4channel."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nRace is real for the record. but those ayyrian genes are clearly not doing any good within our friend here.\nFaggot larps as cultures he doesn't care about beyond how he can ascribe value to himself based upon their achievements while never seeing a horse in his fucking life. Let alone riding one."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>>48\nRessentiment."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nmordvix has ressentiment for europeans, yep"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">that schizo rusnigger insulting meds and calling them farm equipment"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey weren't \"white\" as in north west european"}, {"id": 53, "content": "I don't get it. so according to ilya alpine celts were wops, but actual wops were huwite? hows that make sense? doesn't the whole of southern europe being wops make more sense?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nShhh. Let nordicists have their cope. It's the only thing they have."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nThe North Italian/Iberian/South French like DNA profile seems to be the most common in ancient South Europe."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nshut up wop, point is wops have always been lesser humans"}, {"id": 57, "content": "Don't medbugs feel humilliated by having to speak, think, worship and follow indoeuropean cultures while being farmgoblins?\nSeems quite pathetic to have no roots but those forced upon you by foreigners"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>2\nFPBP"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nI think it's the other way round, a certain section of the schizo community has gone full error 404 once the greeks and romans were (obviously) found out to be southrons. All those years LARPing as the nordic hellenes and then they come out 15% steppe"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nGermanics, celts and slavs are farmers too. Indoeuropean nomads in steppe were destroyed by turkics and mongols."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nCope. Western culture is based on those \"brown wops\".\nJust think about the Nord's legacy like...uhhh, Vikings and shiiieet, and uuum ,uuuuhh cool Nordic, Aryan stuff I'm sure."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nNah\nFarmnigger is the signature ancestry of medbugs. The most farmnigger the more medbug.\nBut medbugs have no farmnigger religion. No farmnigger language, no farmnigger Ydna... everything extinct. They are mere slaves for those that genocided their kin"}, {"id": 63, "content": "why can modern southern europeans be genetically modeled as half Arab half western european? but ancient ones couldn't"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat's really upside down comes from the quite modern ressentment based inverted hierarchy where that which is basest ought to be elevated as a sort of \"revenge\" against that which is more special\nin this case this is a predictable \"pendulum swing\" where a certain excessive nordicism results in a reaction of all sorts of shitskins/third worlders but also the current local squatters have to go the opposite way and often claim \"uhm akshually they wuz brown\", as if the ancients themselves don't blow the fuck out of this notion since they considered themselves \"white\" in a basic sense, not as white as their norther neighbors of course, but certainly not like their southern neighbors either\nto project this mentality on aristocratic minded ancient elites is preposterous, as if they'd see the common traits of the plebshit they ruled over as something desirable for themselves\nso of course things like lily skin and light hair for women would be seen as special/aristocratic, precisely because it wasn't a common sight among the basest men; that of course doesn't mean it would be super common either among the elites, but it wouldn't be looked down"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>as if the ancients themselves don't blow the fuck out of this notion since they considered themselves \"white\" in a basic sense\nso? iberians considered themselves white in the colonial ages\n\nthe romans were brown people by modern standards"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nthey were certainly swarthoids, i don't know what that guy is up to\nthe greeks were even swarhtier"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>ressentment\nit's resentment ilya, with one s"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>>66\nutter nonsense debunked by the ancients themselves\nlook I get it, every morning after you wake up you take a shit, then go to the mirror and get a feeling you haven't flushed, but stop projecting your loss at the human lottery onto the past"}, {"id": 69, "content": "recap of this entire thread\nwe lost, r1b lost, ilya won"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nit's him, look at that weak body"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nmordcuck can't throw a punch"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>7\nWales What the fuck, stealth Aryans?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\nlol"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>68\nYep."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>7\nit's worth nothing there are no samples from Skourtanioti 2023 which raise some important questions considering the sudden appearance as south as Crete of steppe-rich/Balkan_BA-rich samples at the end of the bronze age precisely when Dorians are thought to have expanded in the Peloponnese and Crete\nmany perhaps don't realize that in the division of Greek itself from proto-Hellenic Mycenaean is not basal to classical Greek dialects, but rather it's basal only to east Greek, west Greek split earlier; this makes sense with the evidence that Mycenaeans and later Attic-Ionians seemed to have remained relatively stable in terms of genotype = Aegean BA type"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\n>cherrypicked styilized art\nexpected nothing less given your obvious inability to counter the very words of an ancient Roman\nI'll cherrypick lily skinned Ajax, blonde haired Achilles and Menelaos and the rest all the way to the xanthokomai Hellenes mentioned by Pindar"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nMost ancient greeks samples are dark haired, brown eyed and intermediate skinned. It is not cherrypicking."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\n\"intermediate skin\" in the hirisplex system(which is absolutely not fail safe given the missing data typical of ancient DNA resulting in darker scores) is just your average white skin you see from Iberia to Greece\nnobody is arguing they were as pale as Irishmen, but they weren't brown walking turds like the abomination you see in the mirror either"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n>is just your average white skin you see from Iberia to Greece\nthose guys are brown, therefore the greeks and romans were brown"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>74\nthat quote i think is from adamantius. a 5th ad cent hellenized jew.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantius_(physician)"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n>those guys are brown\nstop projecting mr large human shaped pile of dung"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nno it's directly from Polemon, Adamantius merely used the former as a source and paraphrased the same thing though also expanding"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>68\nthe quote is from Adamantius\nthat jewish guy was pretty funny, he thought ancient greeks were all red haired lmao"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>46\nMed BVLL"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>81\nthey look like arabs"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nthat's just because you are hallucinating on third world air, it's not your fault\nfunnily enough another common name for the \"westisch\" classification in German literature was \"basic white\" in the anglo one"}, {"id": 87, "content": "fucking die"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\n>his gf left him for a shitalian\nKek"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>unknown\nYou're not a Med though you're not even white"}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\ni'd like to tear out your fucking lungs"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\n>>90\nRent free."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>6\n>All Europeans except the ones in Baltic, Britain, and Scandinavia were genetically spics in the Iron Age.\nYou mean, Spanish like?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>2\nReal whites were meds but they're already muttified due to the indo-european invasion."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>90\nWhy do slavoids never have a normal neck.\nalso dont post kid vs boomer to make a fair comparision"}, {"id": 95, "content": "BLEED BLEED BLEED"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>90\nRussian ancestry is mixed"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nRussians aren't pure whites"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>87\n>>95\nSo the die, bleed, get shot schizo was actually mordvix too."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nNo, that shizo is brown migrant from italy."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\n>>99\nHe is from Argentina, not Italy"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>100\n>>99\nSomefagging mordvix. Take your meds."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>92\nYes, exactly.\n>>55\nNot in South, in the whole Europe up to Central."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>unknown\nModern Italians have less ehg"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>62\n>No farmnigger language,\nBasques still have.\n>But medbugs have no farmnigger religion.\nChristianity and Islam"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>31\n>Romans and ancient Greeks were less yamnaya than modern Italians and Greeks, so were even less white.\nYamnaya weren't white."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>69\n>light switch at the head level\n>light switches are 48 inches/121 cm from the floor\nmordlet sisters"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNordcel snowmonkey cope thread"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>3\nHi ugly Slavic freak"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\n>>108\nDarktroon. Hasn't the Kshatriya death squad tortured your family enough?"}, {"id": 110, "content": "LMAO"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>45\nI can cherrypick too. Reminder that most Greco Roman statues which were painted were discovered to have brown/black hair and dark eyes."}, {"id": 112, "content": "Med Cope thread? Med Cope thread.\n>>110\nHoly Cope"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>105\nSteppe is what makes northern europeans different from southern \"\"\"europeans\"\"\". There isn't many way outs"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>76\nC O P I U M\nO\nP\nI\nU\nM"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>111\nGladiatorial slaves vs Elites\n>>114\nDark plebs, light patricians"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>unknown\nThese dudes call people with light brown hair and pale skin swarthy"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>76\nYou do know Homer was a poet right? Is the literal definitions are to be believed, Herakles is a black man (he's described as black bottomed), other sources name Aphrodite and Dyonisus as black haired, and Homer himself says Hades and Poseidon are black haired right? You're a retard. But what can be expected of we wuzzers."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\nWhatever you say, Slav(e)ic filth."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\n>Gladiatorial slaves\nYou're an ignorant retard. One is a ATHENIAN KING, the other is believed to be a Thracian. You literally make shit up to cope with your delusions you loser."}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\n>compares a fresco from germany to a fresco from egypt.\nUhh pajeetsisters are we getting desperate?"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\nThere's nothing to be said. You think white people with light brown hair and the same race as your poop skinned ilk. Here's your \"swarthoid\", bro.\n>>119\n>Thracian\nNorthern Barbarians are brown too now"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>115\nAphrodite, a literal Goddess. Keep coping loser, you're embarassing yourself."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n>Goddess\nSo not real then."}, {"id": 124, "content": "So swarthy..."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased OP opressing the joomers, good shit."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>unknown\nHasn't that dravidian ape gotten enough humiliation already? Why does he larp as a wop?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>122\nPainted by anatolian slaves in naples"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>121\n>Northern Barbarians are brown too now\nExactly, see >>3. All those \"northern barbarians\" were spic-like.\n>>126\nIt's her (it's a literal tranny) usual state. You rather must see how she's larping as a Germanic, I was just shocked when I saw it."}, {"id": 129, "content": "hahahahaha"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>123\nAlkibiades, a Greek. I've presented a plethora of images from the ancient world which you just cope with muh slave, then post renaissance paintings. I realized you're the mentally ill guy who spams 'farming equiment' and 'MUH DARKTROON'. Fuck off and take your meds schizo."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey look like modern Italians. They were White. There are some MENA samples in Imperial Roman era from slaves. Both in the Roman Republic era and after the fall of the Empire there are zero MENA samples, only European with continuity to modern day Italians.\n\n>tl;dr: Anti-white Chudcope."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nGreen eyes, pale skin.\nBrowncel Btfo"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>46\nWhy do med bulls make nordicists hate them but at the same time, makes them WE WUZ? Also nice trips"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>63\nBecause Levantines have been raped by Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Mongols, Caucasains etc. constantly for the last 2500 years?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>130\nNo, you just post pictures of people with light brown hair and pale skin and call them swarthy. I'm not \"muh darktroon\" guy btw, there is more than one of us\n>>133\n>Why do med bulls make nordicists hate them but at the same time, makes them WE WUZ? Also nice trips"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>132\n>pale skin\nMaybe where you come from, LMAO."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>45\nLooks better without the long curls ngl."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>132\nNo one is saying Mediterraneans are brown pajeets, that's just your schizo projecting. They are tawny, dark haired, Europeans. You just need to think in binaries because you have the IQ of a jogger and feel the need to WE WUZ to feel any semblance of validation."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>135\n>Posts a man with green eyes because he is literally face-blind and couldn't differentiate a Nord from an albino dravidian if both were taken to him without any contextual clues."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nHe posted a literal nigger, the ape he posted is nothing like European racially."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>138\n>They are tawny, dark haired\nIndians"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>45\nKek"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>140\n>Niggers with green eyes\nCool story buddy.\nThe only brownskins with colored eyes you'll be able to find \"naturally\" are select types of Mexican and even that's strange."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>138\n>No one is saying Mediterraneans are brown pajeets\nThat is precisely which poos on twitter are saying and you are supporting that."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>139\n>HAHAHA we're so swarthy MED BULL MED BULL NORDKEK\n>NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST CALL US SWARTHY\n>>142\nYou don't look like that, Pedro"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>143\nSuch a thing as rape babies exist."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>142\nThe golden ones hair is wavy at best and even that is doubtful.\nBtw wavy hair is still a pain in the ass.\nI'm glad I didn't inherit my mom's or dad's curls."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>143\n>bbbut muh colors!!!\nGet education. He's undoutedly African morphologically."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>145\nNiggers do not have green eyes buddy I'm sorry. I have not participated in this thread prior to that post.\nI just think you should cherrypick your football players to not have green eyes."}, {"id": 150, "content": "Reposting this image because troons ignored it"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>144\n>I don't buy into nordicist headcanon and that makes me support Pajeets\nI'm sorry I'm not autistic enough to be involved in your Twitter/discord dramas, but I call a spade a spade and nordicists are retarded and as bad if not worst then Afro centrists."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\nYou're using textbook illustrations as proof"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>150\nIt's been since Rome. Italic and then Germanic overlords have ruled over Levantine-Anatolian hordes."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>135\n>there is more than one of us\nYes, you and your proxies, mordmutt"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\nI'm the Arab-Canadian, remember?"}, {"id": 156, "content": "Mordvix, you will never be a R1b. You have no history, you have no art, you have no culture. You are a subhuman and homosexual creature twisted by delusions and historical revisionism into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.\nAll the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back R1b mock you. Historians are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>146\nWell of course. But that happened enough hundreds of years ago that they are their own population.\n>>148\nA very caucasoid type of African then. Unless you have a very obtuse definition of African morphology only you hold."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>154\n>>156\nEwww the Georgian boyfriend of mordvix from his russian discord.\nShoo shoo, this is between medmoors and us, dissapear ape"}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>143\nHundreds of niggers, Jews, nafris, pajeets and even ethiopians with green eyes. Yes."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nBlue eyes and blond hair too."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\nWay fewer"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>107\nYeah, the Roman emperors obviously weren't Nordic and didn't have platinum blond hair. Still there were emperors described as having fair hair. This should come to no surprise as it can be ascertained from Roman frescoes and written accounts that blond Italic people definitely existed. It would only make sense then that at least a few emperors would also have been naturally blond. Also, your image is not much better as it uses quotes from a juvenile history book void of sources, and a black race denier."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>157\nYes, but the simple fact that the medfag ITT is missing is the \"Europeaness\" of having any percentage of blondes/blue eyes in your population represent. It does not matter if it is 10% or 50% or 80% since at no point in time were Euros 100% blonde in human history, and oliveskin vs. whiteskin is even less important.\n\nEuropean men basically raped the entire planet, in both pre-historic and historic times. However, since blonde/blue are recessive genes, almost none of the mutt people they created have even a small percentage of blondes. So despite the fact that most native Europeans have always had darker hair/eyes, if you have occasional blondes in your population group it indicates your people are native Europeans. Not some mutt mixture like 90 IQ Levantines. The fact is that it is even more indicative of European identity than Indo-European languages which mutts also speak. And another fact missed by Euros in general is that light hair genes includes many Euros who are born with lighter features that darken with age.\n\nEven the fucking Ancient Greeks noticed this and lamented that \"impure\" Greek bloodlines in Egypt no longer produce the occasional blonde haired offspring."}, {"id": 164, "content": "Swarthy Indian according to /his/"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>150\nLuigi Di Maio stand out among other Italians in photos I've seen."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>163\n>Even the fucking Ancient Greeks noticed this and lamented that \"impure\" Greek bloodlines in Egypt no longer produce the occasional blonde haired offspring.\nwhere did you read that?"}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>162\n>From the sixth century to the end of the 19th century, historians had recognized that the Historia Augusta was a flawed and not a particularly reliable source, and since the 20th century modern scholars have tended to treat it with extreme caution.\nOh no no no nordsisters."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>13\nbig agree, also cute kots"}, {"id": 169, "content": "Schizo thread"}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>156\n>R1b\n>the highest percentage is in Ireland and Nigeria & Cameroon"}, {"id": 171, "content": "Bruh Dionysus be so swarthy bro frfr she be having dat light brown hair she looks my cousin (I am Indian)"}, {"id": 172, "content": "So fucking swarthy fr fr nocap"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>170\nLost Celt auxiliary legion buck breaking the bantus and creating chads"}, {"id": 174, "content": "SO SWARTHY NORDKEKS BTFO"}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>171\n>we wuz twinks"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>174\nThis nigga be kinda blond doe.. he just have dat light brown hair doe no worries fr fr"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>176\n>twink nordcuck slave made for big med cock"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>175\ndat nigga be so swarthy even though he looks like a sunburnt white boomer"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>171\n>Women have lighter skin than men\n>This is a new revelation to you people\nAre you serious?"}, {"id": 180, "content": "Bruh angloids btfo this bitch swarthy AF"}, {"id": 181, "content": "These niggas totally don't look like anglo saxons nigga fr fr"}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>181\nThey don't?\nStop faceblindness posting."}, {"id": 183, "content": "Mordvix coping about being a twink bitchsissy"}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>167\n>>From the sixth century to the end of the 19th century, historians had recognized that the Historia Augusta was a flawed and not a particularly reliable source, and since the 20th century modern scholars have tended to treat it with extreme caution.\nThere are other, more reliable works describing Emperors as blond. e.g. The Twelve Caesars and Herodian's Roman History."}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>182\nYep look way closer to some dalit than this guy"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>hehe I will paint and draw some guys as pink, the perfect crime hehe"}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>183\nMedTurk breaking down towards homosexuality as he is genetically inclined"}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>184\nNone of them are \"flaventium\" like the supposedly blonde Verus. Funny that the only description with an accurate translation comes from an unreliable source."}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>188\n\n>>171\n>>172\n>>174\n>>175\n>>176\n>>180\n>>181\nSo swarthy"}, {"id": 190, "content": "They should swarthy guys like this to portray Romans in movies"}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>171\n>>172\n>>174\n>>175\n>>176\n>>180\n>>181\n>>189\nIt's not about swarthness though. See their faces, noses, skulls. Their major ancestors, ANF, didn't belong to such type regardless of color, this type is from their minor ancestors, WSH, who are also the major ancestors of modern Nords."}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>150\nCarlos Sainz Jr. is also considerably darker than his father. It seems you are cherry picking."}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>173\nBASED"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>192\nNah bruh, he be a swarthy MED BVLL"}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>133\nWe are the same. This is now a Nord Med unity thread btw."}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>195\nNo way, Gonzales."}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>188\nDo you deny there were blond Romans? If you don't then why are you so hostile to the idea of even just one out of the 25 emperors from Augustus to the fall of Rome were blond? Sure, most Romans, and probably most emperors had dark hair and eyes as is the case with Southern Europe today. This, however, doesn't mean that the minority with lighter features can't exell, or even become emperors or presidents/prime ministers in the modern day like Eleftherios Venizelos and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Likewise, in Northern Europe and especially Scandinavia brown eyes are rare. Despite this, many notable Scandinavians had or have brown eyes: Carl Linnaeus, Ivar Aasen, Sven Hedin, Magnus Carlsen etc.\n>>196\nThey look like brothers."}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>197\n>look like\nPhenotype =/= genotype, see >>191."}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>198\nAre you seriously trying to say Nordics are fucking Dravidian, I don't even know what to say to that."}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>152\nI didn't post it as 'proof'. I already posted a picture with real art ranging from Mycenean Greece, to Rome, to Roman Egypt, as well as actual genetics. We can deduce the following:\n\n1. Ancient Greeks were majority EEF with low levels of Steppe.\n2. Majority EEF populations tend to have pale skin which turns bronze/tawny in the sun, and black/brown hair. There is a minority which have blonde hair, but this isn't indicative of Steppe admixture. There were even blondes in Minoan Crete, which had negligible amounts of Steppe.\n3. Genetics, artistic depictions, and many descriptions in literature confirm this. There is no hard evidence of a \"Steppe elites\". Only conjecture\n4. Romans resemble modern Spaniards the most, and ancient Greeks resemble modern Italians the most. This is fact and no shit slinging by the same 2-3 schizos (the Russian aspie, the MUH DARKTROON schizo, etc.)\n5. WE WUZZING and haploautism is cringe, and mostly amerimutt nordicists, slavs, and poojeets engage in it- this is because poos are insecure about their own race and nordicists WE WUZ as literally every race on earth in order to feel superior, due to their deep seated sub Saharan tier racial autism."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>7\n>>21\n>>26\nIt's 20% steppe Romans."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>196\nIs Gonzalez supposed to be an insult? Spain and the Spanish empire are a great European nation and tradition."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>202\n>Spain and the Spanish empire\nWere ruled by Germanics."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>185\nYeah yeah.\n\nI wonder, can someone make a bot to imitate you?\nHow hard would it be?\nMaybe program a thing to make it so that it says preset sentences with the trademarked vocabulary?"}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>141\nYou are literally retarded."}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>2\nCope. All that's happening is the traitorous and inferior stock is being ejected into the lesser races. In 100 years what you'll actually have is cells of hyper-loyal white enclaves covertly extracting resources from the mullato underclass"}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>203\nGermanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody until they become the Pope's golems. Without Christianity there is no Germanics. Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>207\nYou have deep seated issues accepting reality."}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>207 <- that's a darktroon's post.\n>>208\nDon't bother reading, she always lies."}, {"id": 210, "content": ">>206\nBasically, Jews. Lmao nordicists are so retarded with no self awareness that they try to insult by acting like semites."}, {"id": 211, "content": ">>206\nHow did that work out for the shtetl niggers and the Chinese in sea?"}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>208\nPlease indicate what I mentioned here was false. Germanics literally only became relevant when the empire was in decadence, and after as a proxy army for the pope. And even then centuries later Germonkeys turned on them too and splintered western Christianity forever."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>210\nMordvix made a thread on /int/ claiming the same thing."}, {"id": 214, "content": ">>211\nAnd by the way, whites are not magic. Races that have been confined to shitty enclaves very rarely rebound to have golden ages. No matter how eugenic you claim the process might be (regardless if it actually is or not)"}, {"id": 215, "content": "spaniards are obsessed with tying themselves to germs and to their visigothic heritage"}, {"id": 216, "content": ">>210\nExcept white people are more than capable of defending themselves. Jews cannot survive without a hostz whereas whites would be colonising the star right now if other races didn't exist"}, {"id": 217, "content": ">>213\nPost the link."}, {"id": 218, "content": ">>214\nSo then why would white fall from their pedestal if reduced people never rebound? Every non-white race is clamouring in the BILLIONS to live in white countries even as second-class citizens"}, {"id": 219, "content": ">>214\nUnless you believe the basque is going to restore the glory of the neolithic any day now."}, {"id": 220, "content": ">>219\nAren't Aztecs basically restoring their glory through the Mexican reconquest of America?"}, {"id": 221, "content": ">>220\nNo, they all want to live in America with American standards and American neighbours with American values, otherwise they wouldn't be clamouring to get into America illegal. If they were actually \"reclaiming the glory\" of the natives they'd be storming America and seizing her lands by force to make it more like Mexico, which is exactly what they're all trying to escape"}, {"id": 222, "content": ">>220\nI wouldn't call modern Mexicans Aztecs in any serious sense of the word. Even if you choose to believe a mestizo (or even pure-blooded Amerindian) who speaks Spanish only, is catholic, and has only very tenuous connections with the natives at this point counts as an Aztec, that would imply that the Aztecs were never driven into tiny enclaves, given that they were never (majorly, some exceptions apply) displaced colonists or slaves during the colony.\n>>218\n>So then why would white fall from their pedestal if reduced people never rebound?\nPeople reduced to a scarce few enclaves/city-states/whatever very rarely rebound (and when they do its even rare that they reach the heights they used to). The political version of this is a rump state. That's my statement, not that reduced people never rebound, but that people who end up as tiny refugees or as a diaspora without a homeland rarely do."}, {"id": 223, "content": ">>221\n>they all want to live in America with American standards and American neighbors with American values.\nThey don't, they want dollars. You can pay spics pennies and it'll still be worth more than their local currency. Like Japan in a way."}, {"id": 224, "content": ">>207\n>Germanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody\nWho were they dominated by?\n>until they become the Pope's golems.\nThe pope was saved from the Lombards by the Franks who supported the Popes autonomy. This makes them golems?\n>Without Christianity there is no Germanics.\n?\n>Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries.\nThat's sad\n>For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire.\nThe fall of Rome really was a good thing.\n>So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores.\nInteresting, some emperors also dyed their hair blond. Are you implying Germanics are more attractive?"}, {"id": 225, "content": ">>223\nMind you, spics and common people in general have very few higher ideals. I have more than once made joking comparisons between spics (all of Latam) and Germanics around the migration period and until the 700s. There are as many differences as there are similarities but it's still an interesting parallelism to make."}, {"id": 226, "content": ">>225\nAlso just for the record. Like in any race. there are spics with capacities for something higher (in one way or another)"}, {"id": 227, "content": ">Germanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody until they become the Pope's golems. Without Christianity there is no Germanics. Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores."}, {"id": 228, "content": ">>215\nNot surprisingly, being a part of Faustian civilization, one wishes to get closer to the center of it."}, {"id": 229, "content": ">>227\nNah. That was darktroon so post a dravidian poojeet. Likely from Hijra caste."}, {"id": 230, "content": ">>229\nGermanics were monkeys for centuries and dominated by literally everybody until they become the Pope's golems. Without Christianity there is no Germanics. Their women were raped and taken as slaves for centuries. For centuries, it was well seen to be an Iberian member of Roma, while Germonkeys were literal sex.slaves in brothels across the empire. So much so that prostitutes used blonde dyes to appear more attractive as it was so commonplace to have Gaul/Celtic/Germanic whores."}, {"id": 231, "content": ">>225\nAnd while seeing cringy Latinx names like yonaiker, jefferson, mikelson and usmail in the records for the kings of future America would be funny it'd be still kind of sad.\nPlus I would like it better if the non-garbage naming traditions stayed. (Like Hebrew, germanic, saintly, or Roman names for example)"}, {"id": 232, "content": ">>230\nYeah, she likely looks so. Can't even imagine disgust the Kshatriya death squad will feel when find her in Michigan."}, {"id": 233, "content": ">>231\nJust imagine. President Mikelson of new orleans."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What kind of authority was left for the Emperor over his nominal vassals after 1648?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">wisest man in the bible\n>fucked more women than Wilt Chamberlain\nWhat did God mean by this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod wasn't the one who told him to father so many children from so many women. That was all Solomon sinning against God. Just like Abraham sinned by having a child from Sarah his wife's handmaiden/slave. David killed a woman's husband (murder) to have the guy's wife as the king of Israel, and after Lot's wife was turned to salt his own daughters committed incest and adultery against their own father thinking it necessary to have children from their dad while he was passed out but who knows if they were just really wicked people that lived in Sodom and had bad habits already.\nIt's written down in the Bible to show that even if you are Jesus' lineage you still sinned doing exactly the opposite of what God wanted and could only be saved by God's Son."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus was wiser than Solomon and He remained celibate. What does that tell you?\n\n>for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and now One greater than Solomon is here. (Matthew 12:42)"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">I tried cheering myself with wine, and embracing folly—my mind still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was good for people to do under the heavens during the few days of their lives. etc. etc.\nIt's a calling, an investigation of what people should do on Earth. Is X what people should do? I have wisdom that makes me rich. I have the means. I have gifts.1 man 1 thou-wow? Let's do it and see. My father in heaven has called me into wisdom and knowledge so when you see us tripping sack or partying hard, there are those who are lost and those who keep wisdom about them. Let God's grace rest on you so you can actually catch this.\n\nGod is calling people into spiritual maturity and this revelation which you have not found ever in your years (until now) is a sign. Religion kills."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Overland Campaign is the most fascinating one of the ACW for me. Lee wins most of the battles but he ultimately fails to stop Grant from outmaneuvering him and forcing him into an extremely checkmatable situation, and he does in fact get checkmated less than a year after greatest victory against Grant at Cold Harbor."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"It is possible to do everything correctly and still lose. That's life\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This swashbuckler set during the Seven Years War will be on TCM in twenty minutes. Get your popcorn ready."}, {"id": 2, "content": "booba"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was it an allegory? did he actually resurrect?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>did he actually resurrect?\nYes\n/thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Jesus \"died\" as in his religious teachings stopped spreading\n>3 days were actually 30 years\n>the resurrection was when Christianity really started catching on again"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nI’m pretty sure one of your books says the cave was empty. Some dude could’ve just stole his body."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>Was it an allegory?\nNobody knows if it was intended as such.\n>>did he actually resurrect?\nNo. Magic doesn't exist."}, {"id": 6, "content": "God said he did so he did. There is man's ability and there is God's ability but frauds are ignorant of spiritual things. They don't know the things God can do and is willing to do for them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was no Jesus. The resurrection took place in outer space."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nread Carlos Castaneda, faggot"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Was it an allegory?\nNo, it was meant to be a literal resurrection, but the earliest Christian texts have Jesus being killed by Satan and his demons in the sky, and being resurrected there.\n>did he actually resurrect?\nThere was no historical Jesus to begin with."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do aborted babies go straight to heaven or straight to hell?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "We don't know. We only know that God is as free in the salvation of an infant as an adult, but which goes to hell and which goes to heaven is unknown."}, {"id": 3, "content": "hell"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nWhen you think about it, if babies went to heaven under Calvinism, abortion clinics would be manufacturing the elect by the truckload."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Heaven duh. What a good God I serve."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Straight to the inferno, do not pass go, no limbo."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf youre a Baptist, then Heaven\nIf youre a Catholic, then Hell"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Lmao imagine if the creator of the universe actually spawnkilled newborns and threw them into ETERNAL suffering"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey get given a new life elsewhere"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey reincarnate and become shills"}, {"id": 11, "content": "If Xtians are honest, they'll admit their doctrine condemns the unborn to hell.\n\nIf Christians lie as usual, they'll claim they go to heaven or \"don't know\"."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhat is \"their doctrine\"?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would much change if the America’s weren’t there? European explorers sailed west just to find east Asia, the carribean and oceania?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA whole fucking lot, anon.\n\n>no tomatoes, no potatoes, no corn\nI guess Europeans would adopt rice instead, which is less suitable for cold climates. We'd see worse nutrition in colder places, and much more expensive grain-based vodka.\n>no tobacco\nThis is a good one\n>no llamas, no jaguars\nMeh\n>Europeans would colonize Australia earlier\nIt would not be a powerhouse like the US, it doesn't have as much arable land... there would be nowhere for millions of Euro emigrants to go to, which means more population pressure and thus more socialist upheavals and revolutions\n>Europe and China would get into conflict in the 1500s, and I'm not sure Europeans would win\nk i n o though"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>which means more population pressure and thus more socialist upheavals and revolutions\nAlso more religious revolutions, stuff like the Puritans."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n1500's? Europeans would absolutely win."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIn the short term yeah. If they don't wipe out the Chinese then the latter will just eclipse them sooner. The Americas were a huge life raft for European civilization."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh boy china thought they had it bad in our timeline"}, {"id": 7, "content": "The initial reason to explore west was to find a route to trade without needing to pay the ottomans\n\nNot sure if this coming true would help or hurt the ottomans more"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYou think it would help the Ottomans if the Christians found a way to trade without passing through their territory and paying them? You need to actually think about that?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "The USA wouldn't exist"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Food would be terrible\n\nAlso, some medical and botanical things maybe wouldn't be figured out quite as early. Spanish naturalists actually consulted and adapted Aztec medical and botanical records for a few things.\n\nSome have even argued the entire concept of academic botanical gardens comes from the Spanish seeing Aztec ones."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJLlg75-z90&ab_channel=Whatifalthist [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no syphilis\nEveryone is sluttier"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nNone of those plants are essential crops, they're all additives, spices and herbs . And you can get stuffs like them in the Old World(coffee in Arabia, spices in SEA and India, etc). I'd miss Tomato though"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why isn’t there a follow up on Ishmaels nation, 12 sons, or kingdom in general? Or at least some kind of mention? It seems a bit to important to just kinda forget about. Think about it the story of Ishmael and his 12 sons is probably around the same scale as issac and the 12 Israelites and he’s a son of Abraham to. So it seems a bit to important to just be forgotten. I know they create the Ishmaelite nations but that’s really all. Is there books on it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>adultery\nYes, the Q'aran. Ishmael is the father of the arabs."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/topics/ishmael\n\nhttps://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/223/jewish/Ishmael.htm"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">You will never fire a flintlock or run a rogue through with a cutlass\n>You will never wear a tricorne or a one of those cool coats\n>You will never journey to the crown colonies and explore uncharted lands\n>You will never leave your old life behind to join the settlers of the new colonies in the Carolinas\n>You will never trade, make friends with and fight with Indians before the relationship between colonials and Indians broke down\n>You will never arrive as a fresh faced young land in Port Royal, walk the sandy streets bustling with trade activity and sleep in a tiny room above a brothel\n>You will never get rich trading sugar and rum\n>You will never fight in kino wars like the War of Jenkin's Ear the Seven Year's War or the War of American Independence\n>You will never receive a Letter of Marque from the Governor\n>You will never capture a French merchant ship and have liberty with their wenches infront of their husbands before you kill them\n>You will never hoist the Union Jack over Quebec City\n>You will never see a Pirate hoist the black\n>You will never trade machetes and axes with your native guides as you treck through the jungles of Central America to raze Panama city\n>You will never bury booby trapped hidden treasure on a secret Pirate haven on Madagascar which will be uncovered by Nathan Drake in the 21st century\n>You will never hear of a mysterious new land discovered in Oceania which will be populated by convicts\n\nNow everything is discovered, guns are soulless, there are roads and planes the Carribean is just tourist traps for crusty white Americans and milfs and Latam is full of murderous cartels. It's over."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m done with Christianity. I’m so fuckin’ Muslim now. Debate me."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>stops worshiping Jews\n>starts worshiping Arabs\nSome people just cannot be helped.\n\nPlease fuck off to Saudi Arabia now."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no Resurrection\n>no Salvation from sins\nNo thanks."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>an actually neopagan\nlmao why didn’t your marvel superheroes save you when we conquered your asses?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhy isn't your super-jew stopping your religion from dying out in a really embarrassing manner?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet me guess, you want to be able to marry child Brides."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nlol"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Debate me.\nWhy? You've told me that your decision has been made."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI know. I just want to destroy you."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I’m done with Abrachamic_shit_name. I’m so fuckin’ Abrachamic_shit_name now. Debate me."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>I’m done with Abrachamic_shit_name. I’m so fuckin’ Abrachamic_shit_name now. Debate me."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, fuck you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would Scandinavia play out if they unified somewhere in between the German unification and the Italian unification?\n\nThey’d need to ally either Germany or Russia to have any hope of protecting themselves from the other. Which would be their best bet?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Somali are honorary white. All nordic country must accept n integrate somali refugees to their society"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd sooner declare Chinese and Japanese to be white than lightbulb-headed Somalis"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Every action we do alters the outcome of future historical events. Me just typing this has changed the world."}, {"id": 2, "content": "yeah steins gate was crazy bro"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMan fuck me. I couldn’t done something to change a lot but I fucked it up"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can't prove this you just watched too many cartoons that handled time travel poorly"}, {"id": 5, "content": "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER\n(hopefulyl this causes something to happen)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>reddit;gate\ngo back you massive faggot"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Jehovah's Witnesses BTFO by Jay Dyer\nhttps://youtu.be/eSDZQvBlbQ4 [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSummarize it please"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSumarize it please"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nIt's only 8 minutes jeez"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhat does this 8 minute video say that BTFOs out my religion please ?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>>4\n*cricket noise*"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Well I guess we weren't so BTFO after all"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>>6\n>>6\nIt quotes verses going against your theology"}, {"id": 9, "content": "American religiolarpers shouldn't have access to the internet"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYou're saying this like I've never read the Bible before"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nYou're probably too low IQ to understand what you're reading, otherwise you wouldn't be a JW."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nStill waiting for the verses going against my theology bro"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>>11\n*cricket noises*"}, {"id": 14, "content": "I asked for a summary 2 hours ago OP\n\nWhere are you"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Well since OP isn't reponding, let us look at verses that make it clear, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Jesus is most certainly not God. Verses that require no explanation, no ignoring the body of the Scriptures, no exploiting ambiguities, no contortions, verbal accrobatics or fiddling with the text and no making up non-existent rules of grammar to prove some false doctrine.\n\nLots of verses !\n\nGOD HAS NEVER BEEN A MAN THAT DWELLS ON EARTH\n\nBEFORE JESUS:\n\nNumbers 23:19\nGod is not a mere man who tells lies, nor a son of man who changes his mind.\n\n1 Kings 8:27\nBut will God really dwell on the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!\n\nJob 9:32\nFor [God] is not a man like me that I may answer him, that we should go to court together.\n\nIsaiah 66:1, 2\nThis is what Jehovah says: \"The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then, is the house that you could build for me, and where is my resting-place? My own hand has made all these things, and this is how they all came to be,\" declares Jehovah.\n\nMalachi 3:6\nI am Jehovah, I do not change.\n\nWHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH:\n\nJohn 8:40\nBut now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.\n\nAFTER JESUS:\n\nActs 7:48, 49\nthe Most High does not dwell in houses made with hands, just as the prophet says: ’The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What sort of house will you build for me? Jehovah says. Or where is my resting-place? My hand made all these things, did it not’\n\nActs 17:24\nThe God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples."}, {"id": 16, "content": "JESUS IS A CREATED BEING\n\nColossians 1:15\nHe is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.\n\nRevelation 3:14\n“To the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.\"\n\nTHE FATHER IS GREATER THAN JESUS\n\nMatthew 26:39, 42\nAnd going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.” . . . Again, a second time, he went off and prayed: “My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away unless I drink it, let your will take place.”\n\nJohn 14:28, 31\n\"If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am . . . . But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do . . . .\"\n\nJohn 15:10\nIf you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.\n\n1 Corinthians 11:13\nBut I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.\n\n1 Corinthians 15:28\nBut when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Lara badly needs to take her meds"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If he was so hated and despised by Christians then why was he buried in the Church of the Holy Apostles?\n\nAlso why did his second in command, Jovian, a Christian, never took a chance to overthrow Julian? Hell why did Julian still retain Christian administrators in his court if he was so 'anti-Christian'?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause pagans aren't inclined to destroy every religion that differs from theirs. That's the thing that sets them apart from monotheists"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy did they attempt to destroy Christianity centuries earlier? Also you're not really answering OP's question so much as saying \"yes you're right Julian didn't actually want to destroy Christianity\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Why did they attempt to destroy Christianity centuries earlier?\nThey didn't, really. If you're referring to Rome. For pagans who ACTUALLY destroyed Christians and fucked them hard, look to the Japs."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nbecause pagans are almost always syncretic, so when the romans came in they just adapted their belief system to include worshiping jupiter or the roman emperor equivalent. christians on the other hand explicitly DID NOT worship roman customs and did not worship the emperor, and in fact went out of their way to convert others, which directly undermines the state. this makes a pretty good case on why they need to be exterminated. now yuo understand"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If the U.S/NATO invaded or more directly intervened in Syria in 2012/2013 what do you think would have happened?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFUCK WRONG IMAGE"}, {"id": 3, "content": "another iraq tier insurgency, ultimately just stenghtens islamists and later pro iran governments"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIraq 2.0. you see all those militia groups? they're fighting each other. theyll fight anyone"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIndeed. Maybe Turkey tries its hand unilaterally after the war inevitably fails and the U.S pulls out. Also, Russia and Lebanon would be wildcards."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nYou could've deleted the thread man."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou could have not bumped it."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nBlessed thread"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey didn't because they were losing in Afghanistan and Iraq. The answer is obvious on what would have happened."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead the fucking sticky, 25 year rule."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Came across a thread a few months ago mentioning Catholic nuns that had feline scat... inclinations... and its been stuck in my head for a while? where tf did he get that from? i definitely want to know where i can read about it if its true.\nI know a good bit about more well known Orthodox saints like St. Xenia of St. Petersburg but i feel like medieval Catholicism opened doors for tons of fantastical/obscure/odd saint stories that you never hear about.\ni dont know where to start looking, i guess i can always plunge into a bunch of Live of The Saints books but it would be easier for me to just come here and ask if you guys have any interesting stories youd like to share?\n(Saints not limited to Roman Catholicism. Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Nestorian, Ethiopian Tewahedo, etc., saints are all welcomed."}, {"id": 2, "content": "supremely jewish thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwhoever smell't it dealt it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like prelest"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are so many good books about Saints\n\nYou can read about Padre Pio, he was one of the greatest men of God\n\nYou can either read about him or theres plenty of material about him in youtube"}, {"id": 6, "content": "My favorite Saint once said\n\n>There have been many Saints considered sorcerers or hoaxers even by the church and that the opposite was true aswell\n\n>There have been many sorcerers thought of as Saints\n\nThere are many \"supernatural\" things in this world, the spirit\n\nAnd of course there are good spirits and bad spirits, both have power\n\nMost people dont know this but reality itself is very mystic, like that odd particle experiment where if theres an observer it changes\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6abfZNH6SRM [Embed]"}, {"id": 7, "content": "\"Supernatural powers\" is what a Saint is\n\nIn reality every man has the power to alter reality, by intention aka prayer\n\nBy purity, men can obtain salvation or destruction, every man expresses these supernatural powers like it or not\n\nIn Saints these powers are just more evident, because of the lives they live and their ancestry\n\nJesus was born from a Virgin a not a random prostitute living on earth at that moment, purity has power\n\nThis is hard to say but its true, Saints are saints in part because their family trees that have been very close to purity, salvation and the love of God\n\nIt doesnt mean the average person cannot reach sainthood nor salvation, through efford there is reward"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I became Gnostic instead of Buddhist because I hate jeets more than I hate jews."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbuddhism exists as a rejection of jeetdom tho."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why does every ideologue act like that the only solution to a societal problem is switching over to their ideology and what ever preexisting structure is in place can't deal with the issue\n>Uh oppression and exploitation is bad therefore we must bring about Communism or else you won't have rights and porky will take away everything you own\n>Radical progressivism is bad so must implement monarchy or else your children will be gay"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSiege mentality and appeals to emotion. Works every time."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose ideologies subsist by keeping their base in a state perpetual fearmongering and imminent war. It’s the ancient doomsday cults but for the zoomer generation."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThis is a meme joke video but it’s a hundred percent relevant to modern politics today and also most religions and cults in history.\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBK5aKOr2Fw&pp=ygUZSG93IHRvIHN0YXJ0IGEgY3VsdCB2aWRlbw%3D%3D [Embed]"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nideologues are usually autists who can only see black and white while refusing to acknowledge nuance which is why they adopted said ideologies to begin with"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThanks for the advice my man, gonna start me new cult.\nRepeat after me: all hail the Catalyst, the messenger of Al-2ilaah."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Support for Israel used to be a left-wing cause. The Soviet Union was the first country to recognize Israel and most of its founders had socialist leanings. However, within a few decades, the communist bloc began to favor the Palestinian cause and Arab nationalism, while support for Israel became more associated with the political right in the West. Why did this happen? No /pol/tard answers please."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeocons took control of the conservative movement and they really only have one priority which is being pro Israel"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTLDR: Arabs were poor\nSlightly Longer Answer: Israel was firmly backed by the West which caused a rift in relations with MENA and most of those countries already had a chip on their shoulder because of European imperialism so in turn a lot of these countries saw the USSR as a way to counter Western influence. The problem is the problem is that Muslims didn't like the USSR for being Atheists and most them ended up either allying with America in the end or being somewhat neutral and just allying with whatever superpower was convenient at the time."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nSome of these states were led by secular nationalist regimes, and I don't know a lot about the history, but the communists could relate to these regimes like in Syria, while they were suppressed in others such as Iraq by Saddam Hussein who, like you said, ended up getting friendly with the U.S. for a time because it was convenient for him until it wasn't. These regimes like Nasser's tended to be anti-British and tried to navigate the U.S.-USSR superpower competition without firmly taking a side one way or another, although Syria under Hafez Al-Assad became a de facto Soviet ally and hosted a Soviet military base, part of a relationship that continues today with Russia.\n\nThe U.S. began tilting heavily toward Israel during the Kennedy administration and that was sealed by the Six-Day War in 1967. Before then, France and West Germany were large suppliers. Relations with the USSR cut off in 1967."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLike I said most these countries had a chip on their shoulder due to European imperialism and allied with the USSR to combat Western influence. They didn't ally with the USSR because they liked Communism it was because they were willing provide them with support."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Support for Israel used to be a left-wing cause\nIt still is. Political conservatism died early in the 20th century in Britain and never existed in America. \"Conservatives\" had to concoct a new definition of the word to disguise the fact that they really have nothing in common with Burke or Disraeli."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Abu Ahmed narrated that Abu Mohamed narrated that Jafar ibn Suleiman narrated that Abdulhakeem narrated that Abdulrahman narrated that Abu Bashar narrated that the prophet (pbuh) used to scratch his left nut on the eve of every tuesday for a total of 2 and a half seconds before dry humping his 8-year-old wife Aisha"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you think all muslims are low-IQ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nConsidering they're, at the earliest, written 200 years after the supposed events makes these myths all the better."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbu Huraira was a lying Jewish filth. Also most hadith are fake, even if Muslims are too dumb to believe them."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Soul / Souless"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe pickelhaube was invented by orcs and adopted by musket loading automatons, it is inherently soulless. The stahlhelm at least was invented by a human."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Swiss stahlhelm > NVA > WW1 >>>> late interwar/WW2"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Slavs choose a viking leader to become their ruler?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">choose a viking\nChoose? I think it was later cope, they were conquered"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Their country is NAMED after the Norsemen who conquered them\nKek, what a bunch of cucks."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nFrance?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThis is not actually all that uncommon,\nCroatia, Bulgaria, France. (Hungary kind of)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nMurmansk literally means Normans in Russian because it was the viking Scandis who raided and settled there. That's also why Quisling had his eyes set on it as a Norwegian outpost in the east if the Axis had won WWII."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nimagine being called Colombia"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">asia, africa, america, australia\n>civilization\nLmao"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">OH N-"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who were these so called shasu nomads?\nWere they israelites or just the bedouins in modern sinai and israel?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were Edomites."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNobody knows , they were nomadic pastoralists and raiders of the southern levant , so would come under the generic and designation \"apiru\" or \"habiru\" , which encompassed a sort of social class or out - class that included several ethnicities .\n\nThey were possibly ancestors of Israelites , and bare in mind it's unclear whether \"ivri\" (Hebrew) is related to apiru / habiru .\n\nIvri basically means \"to cross over\" or \"from over the river\" Referring to the crossing of rivers like the Jordan River and Mesopotamian rivers"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKind of cool to think that people were so strong and spirited back then that you had to bind them at the elbows like that"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do I need 2 know about \"Hannah Arendt\" ?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's your favorite defunct/discredited/forgotten history/anthropology theory? for me its hydraulic despotism."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs the idea of “he who controls the [resource] controls the world” not a pretty common concept? Food, water, gold, coal, oil…?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I loved the stoned ape theory\n\nHumans literally doped ourselves above monke"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat sounds like the Hub from Fallout 1"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I was reading On Ancient Medicine yesterday and Hippocrates says that knowledge of the body depends upon knowledge of the whole man. Of course, though not acknowledged directly this is a direct quote from Socrates in the Charmides. It is really cool to read a writer from antiquity and see the influence which Platonism had on him even if it id not directly acknowledged."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you like Taylor Marshal? I’d say he is very…le based."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe looks like a quadroon"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Prot LARPing as a Catholic."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Too cocky to be the kind of person I’d look up to as a spiritual leader. Maybe 16 year olds find him cool."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Tradcaths are all divisive bastards. I’m catholic but we Christians need to stick together against a secular world order increasingly hostile to the Gospel."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nHe looks like Ron Perlman if Ron Perlman were a door to door bible salesman."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Can’t tell if part Jewish or just inbred"}, {"id": 8, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nrent free"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont like his head shape/ face"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>>6\n>>7\n>>10\nwow, judging his appearance instead of his actions, how mature"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nWhat are his actions?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nTeaching people worldwide about Traditional Catholicism."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>He looks like a quadroon\nTypical amerimutt"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>>>/int/"}, {"id": 16, "content": "I don’t know who this is and I don’t care."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo.\nHe frequently lies about Protestantism, he's a Mary worshipper, and likes click bait shock jockism to rile up his TLM and \"traditionalist\" crowd."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\nI'm not Catholic, but there's too much I agree with and enjoy about the average Catholic's company than not. It's not even a difficult choice."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">No.\n>He frequently lies about Protestantism, he's a Mary worshipper, and likes click bait shock jockism to rile up his TLM and \"traditionalist\" crowd."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>I am duped by random women in blue ancient and medieval clothing\n>She's Mary, and whatever she says, I must do"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nmeds"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>3\n>>5\nAgreed 100%, I'm Catholic as well and he just seems intentionally malicious. He combines Protestant ignorance and combatitive attitude with a Catholic traditional lens and it makes him and all those who praise him complete mouthbreathers. TradCaths (in the flanderized sense that many of them appear as) give a bad name to Christians everywhere and are on the same level as Muslim Dawahgandists."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>Do pharmakia witchcraft please"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nWhy is he eating shit?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nBecause he was a documented coprophile"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>he doesn't know"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "There's zero Biblical foundation for the sacraments except maybe baptism. Jesus didn't intend the Eucharist to be performed by literally who pedo priests who delude themselves into thinking they have magical powers (an actual heresy BTW) to turn a waffle and wine into His flesh and blood. The only time bread and wine was turned into Jesus' flesh and blood was during the Last Supper, there's no evidence that Jesus wanted this to be a more than one time occurrence and that he would lend His power to the priest performing the Communion"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Peak protty mentality\n>Guys! This only happened once a long time ago and isn't meant to be done again!\n>The verse is basically just like historical reference bro\n>Your taking le verse out of context\n>What? What is the context then? Idk, I just know that my cool pastor bro interprets the Bible differently\n>Bro you didn't go to bible college your not allowed to interpret the scripture!\n>Lol what's that? God will remove my name if I remove a single word from his scripture? I'm not removing it, lol, I'm just getting rid of it's importance and application and getting angry at anyone who tries to apply these Biblical themes in their lives, it's super cool\n>Come buy some coffee at my local church"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Most of the provinces were third worlder for roman era standards."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat and that beef between Bonifatius and Aetius"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Vandals ruined it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretty insane to think there are countries in the 21st century with that or even lower level of GDP per capita"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPretty insane that some of those same countries have swathes of their population that live lives objectively worse than than the average roman. Imagine not having access to clean drinking water, paved roads, or any uniform semblance of governance and be jealous of the standard of living of people who lived 2000 years ago"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Imagine framing ancient history - especially RVMAN history - into judeoamerican values LMAO. the romans always called the egyptians barbarians and slaves, they hated and despised them, Augustus banned egyptian cults/priests/immigrants from Rome. Regardless of their wealth. Now read what Tacitus writes about the Germans. Yes, they were poor, but the Romans saw themselves, as they were in the beginning, in that people. The whole policy of Augustus was based on that, and that's why Mark Antony failed."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>but the Romans saw themselves, as they were in the beginning, in that people\nno they didn't"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYes they did retard"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeaving aside the ancient gdp nonsense. No because the inflated italian gdp is decades if not centuries of tax money and when Rome was an upstart it was at poorer than Carthage, or Greece, so it could never stay together in the 100 years it took from unifying all italians to conquering them according to this logic.\nChristianism alienating the rural masses that would have been most conscripts to the army makes a much better explanation. Still tons of pagans in the countryside into the early middle ages.\nEastern side had a lot more christians and was much less reliant on germanics, and once the visigoths were away never again had germanic problems. More importantly it had better emperors and no coups until Zeno."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>Wealth didn't matter back then because...because... because of the rvmvn aryan spirit or something, okey?\nYeah, sure."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>14 AD\nSo just after Caesar raped Gaul? What if things were different centuries later?\nAlso the two main West vs East civil wars were won by the western side. Ausutus and Constantine vs Antony and Licinius"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAugustus*"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>14 AD\n>GDP map\nShould be banable honestly"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfirstly this is a meme map\nsecondly it is based on state income from taxation,\nmeaning the money the state took from the people,\ntying it to per capita living is utterly asinine,\nas the average person in Egypt probably lived a far worse life than an average citizen in a +10 000 town anywhere in Spain or Gaul who had all the Roman infrastructure but also a far higher access to protein intake and much less urban squalor.\n\nAlso the colors confuse your monkey brain,\neven the meme numbers show fucking swamp ass Belgium as merely 30% poorer Egypt and mere 15% poorer than the other red zones."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n> even the meme numbers show fucking swamp ass Belgium as merely 30% poorer Egypt and mere 15% poorer than the other red zones.\n\nIt is also 14AD, which makes it even more hilarious since it is barely over a generation from Roman conquest.\n\nBut yeah, the percentage differences are meager, like comparing Germany to the Netherlands, France or Ireland and taking a laugh"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nromans were poorer, not roman state.\n>>6\nwhole policy of augustus was based on civilizing snowniggers to stop them from raiding."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why would anyone watch Youtube video \"essays\"? They never bring anything new or profound to the table, and are usually only mouthpieces of their authors masqueraded as \"analysis\"."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo 4chan brings \"new\" and \"profound\" things to the table?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nOf course it doesn't, but at least you can say nigger here."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHow long do you think this site's got left?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "i guess at first they were a unique idea, especially if it was a subject you were interested in. but now its become \"why minions the movie is woke\" and its like 9 hours long"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI doubt it's going anywhere. 4chan is great for venting."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThose aren't even the worse ones. It's people like \"Adam Something\" whose videos probably cause the largest amount of damage, since they're thinly veiled propaganda by their author. Youtube doesn't really allow people who watch them to see counter-arguments, and in turn, multiple people suddenly advocate no cars into cities because Youtube man showed pictures of American dystopias."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnormies don't have the free time this userbase has to read books. Essays are just summerization of ideas"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think I saw a 20 hour video essay about Skyrim a few weeks back"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVery normie of me however I like the video essays about tv shows like victorious etc. I don’t care for those types of shows nor did I watch them growing up but I enjoy it anyways. I guess it’s nice to hear someone autistically rant for an hour or so"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Sometimes they're comfy, just a guy talking about something halfway interesting for 20-30 minutes. Emp Lemon ones are nice, I like the one on Dale Earnhardt. History videos get obnoxious because 85% of them are literally reading off of Wikipedia."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I stopped watching youtube videos about history because it's so hard to find interesting ones. They're great for surface level stuff, but if you actually want to know about a topic there's no point.\nThere are a few in depth videos but they're so difficult to find and you have to sift through so much crap it's not worth it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nwe've been over this\nwalkable cities are better, but american cities are too joggable to be walkable"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Genesis is compatible with evolution, however, the trick is you can't take it literally. It's all allegory. To prove this, simply forget any reference of time when reading the passages. Only look at what is being done. There are stages, and there are also stages in Earth's geological timescale along with its succeeding lifeforms.\n\nAnd remember to think about what is being written down in Genesis before making any comments. It's all in there. Trust."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, Genesis is not compatible with evolutionism. Evolutionism is vain philosophy which is opposed to God. It is an attempt to reduce man to mere matter in motion, to deny that he is made in God's image."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Fuck off retard"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>if I interpret the book the way I want it works!"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCharles Darwin was a Christian.\nFrancis Bacon who made the inductive scientific method was a Christian.\nThe one who formulated the big bang theory was a Catholic."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSo what"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Historical literature is really interesting, but this is obsession and religion, often forced on people."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nLook up theistic evolution"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvolution has never been proven nor reproduced it is pretty much atheist mythology."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nOkay but did they write at all on their specific opinions of the reality of Genesis? That is the topic of this thread."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nI mean, wouldn't you think the Author of this book who came to this earth speaking in parables not leave little parables throughout His own book? Stuff that can be read one way, but, it can be seen in another way despite how it's written."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">plants coming before sea creatures\nno"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProblem is, if you do that, then you could say I take whatever passage I want and interpret it the way I want.\nI can justify the old testament applying that way too and go kill and kill homosexuals.\n\nJust accept that Evolution Theory is completely retarded."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\n>They we’re a Christian\nIn name only. They followed the deceptions of Satan instead of trusting the Bible"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nDarwin started as a Christian but became agnostic, at most he was philosophically some kind of skeptical theist. He explicitly denied divine revelation and stopped attending church."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Genesis is compatible with evolution, however, the trick is you can't take it literally.\neverything is compatible if you don't take it literally. It just sounds like you are making excuses for the fallibility of the bible."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>I mean, wouldn't you think the Author of this book who came to this earth speaking in parables not leave little parables throughout His own book? Stuff that can be read one way, but, it can be seen in another way despite how it's written.\n\nEspecially if the verse, chapter, or book correlates or corresponds with what's going on in your life or immediate surroundings. God is trying to tell you something."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Genesis is compatible with evolution, however, the trick is you can't take it literally. It's all allegory. To prove this, simply forget any reference of time when reading the passages\nI’m gonna stop you right there, you can make any fictional book true if you just pretend it doesn’t mean what it says\nDo you not realize you’re doing this?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nYou can stop attending church and still practice at home retard. He died loving Christ"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWell first, wrong.\nSecond, secularism doesn’t work like a religion with theologians and priesthoods. Even Charles Darwin being religious wouldn’t make that religion true. I was baffled at your angle until I realized you people fundamentally don’t understand how truth, facts and reality work. If a Buddhist came up with the unified theory of physics that would not make Buddhism true."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nYou're not a true follower of Darwin (ﷺ)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>oy vey, stop believing in genesis goyim\n>there was no fall into sin\n>gorrillions of years\n>we're heckin space dust\n>you share a common ancestry with earth worms\n>feminism is just about equality\n>communism is good on paper\n>morality is relative\n>nobody's coming to take your guns\n>let me transition your son and daughter with your tax dollars and lock you away if you disagree"}, {"id": 23, "content": "If you think God works by the same rules as ordinary human's then literal interpretations of the Bible are worthless to providing understanding. Our ability to fulfill a word as its meant in our tangible World compared to the power God has to fulfill that meaning of that word are completely separate. It has nothing to do with interpretation. I don't see why people believe God would be bound by the limitations that humanity has."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>stop believing in genesis\n>there was no fall into sin\n>gorrillions of years\n>we're heckin space dust\n>you share a common ancestry with earth worms\nAll correct. Everything after is political culture war bullshit. If you think conservatism can’t survive in light of a naturalistic explanation of our world then that’s an indictment of your conservatism, not the truth about nature."}, {"id": 25, "content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_MhrAVQTA [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>5\nCharles Darwin left Christianity and self-identified as an agnostic."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>All correct.\nBig bang, life from nonlife, evolutionism, gorillions of years have all been scienticially proven false or impossible. There is still no real explanation for the formation of stars either, it's all just probabilities and theory and fantasy and lashing out to attack people who don't agree like you're doing now because you're an NPC retard.\n\nNaturalism is a retarded religion for easily controlled NPCs like you, and you can't even explain our existence or anything, so you just attack and lash out and misdirect and go off on irrelevant tangents. Coward.\n\n>Everything after is political culture war bullshit.\nThey're not, you're just a Godless naive retard who knows and understand nothing."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nHe lost faith in his own theory at the end of his life.\n\nWe're still missing all those predicted fossils he said would show up, billions of missing links all over the mythical \"tree of life\" those evolutionist schizos always make, but people go on believing because the alternative is special creation and that is \"unthinkable\" (as they put it) to the hedonist gaytheists who literally pushed for fag marriage so gays could adopt and rape kids and they claim that's equal to a normal family.\n\nGaytheist idiots actually claim this is \"culture war\" and not just basic plain truths about God's creation and His designed order which you reject because you love sodomizing yourself or enabling sodomites."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nWatching you rage this hard while you don’t even get how stars form is hysterical. Just thoroughly a superstitious peasant lost in the modern world."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Plants existed before the Sun\ntop fucking kek"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nNo, he didn't. Even Answers in Genesis denies that story."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nYes but you see anon, you need to ignore all the part where the Bible is wrong if you want to keep believing the Bible is true.\nAnd no, I as a Christian am not capable of understanding the actual logical reaction to the Bible being wildly incorrect."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>12\nDid the sea creatures not eat algae? Are algae not considered primitive plants?\n\n>>30\nDay or sunlight came before algae.."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\nJews Niggers, and Muslims fucking suck. I hope a baby literally eats them all. They literally don't see the fussiness of a baby, and are so god damn animalistic they in engage in agonistic behavior.\nAnyone caught walking is shot dead."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nIt’s on no one but Christians to explain why their Bible doesn’t make logical sense to our vastly expanded understanding of reality\nIf your religion was true this problem literally would not exist. Scientific exploration would confirm genesis in whole, not refute it.\nI’m not saying there isn’t a master and creator of the universe, but it sure as hell isn’t any of the characters in the Bible"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nAll you have to do is account for literally every lifeform and you won't have this issue."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Even Dr. Michael Brown (who is a Messianic Jew) could actually go both ways with it, via theistic evolution or just the Creation story taken literally."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirst of all Genesis doesn't give out all the details of creation. There are gaps in the timeline of events in Genesis that can factor in evolution.\nSecond, the narrative in the early parts of Genesis was most likely a criticism of the prevailing creation myths in the Ancient Near East, maybe even suggesting that the Genesis creation is the actual creation narrative that all of the ANE creation myths were based on."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>27\n>Big bang, life from nonlife, evolutionism, gorillions of years have all been scienticially proven false or impossible.\nSource?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>33\n>Day or sunlight came before algae..\nYeah, it did. So why does the Bible say plants predate the Sun?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nThere aren't any gaps. The first day is followed by the second day and so on. And if you want to suggest gaps, you have to contend with plants surviving an extended period of time without sunlight."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThere may not be gaps, but Genesis 1 is far from the larger picture of creation. Gen. 1 is and always will be a narrative of God establishing order in the universe rather than him creating everything in 7 days, otherwise God's priority in creating light before the Sun would make no sense."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWell why couldn't we have been planted here by God's will via aliens introducing us here?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">On the first day God seperated the light from the darkness\n>On the first day God created the fucking sun\n>On the first day there was a unit of time called a day before the sun even existed"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nGod doesn’t create the sun until day 3 lol"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>8\nRead the bible"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople who take genesis literally are loosing on the true wisdom of that story.\n\nIt’s important to remember that genesis is not only what happened fist but what happens first. It’s still happening all the time. Whenever you encounter any situation you forcefully have to go through the patterns described in Genesis.\n\nFor example: you want to make a cup of coffee. First the idea appears in your mind but has no body. No structure. Then you collapse the multiplicity of options into one; decaf, cappuccino, size, sugar etc; now there’s one possible cup. Then you take matter (cup, water, cooffee) and bring it into existence by pulling the divine from above (God animating Adam). Now the cup of coffee exists. It won’t be exactly like the original idea but you don’t trow it away. The same way God didn’t kill Adam and Eve. You drink the coffee accepting its imperfections and you add effort for next time (you sacrifice to the ideal cup your time, attention, etc.) every time you make a cup of coffee you enter a liturgical pattern of creation; of interacting with reality in a cohesive manner."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nIn the older stories God had to wrestle a big dragon in the ocean of chaos to bring order. Most of the elements like the garden and the fruit are also in the old Greek myths."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\nSo what is le seperate light from dark supposed to fucking mean?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nThis is like a university course in post hoc rationalization"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>9\nThis\nTrust God's word, not fallen men"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nThe concept of establishing order in creation myths has been there since the earliest days of literature. I don't see where the garden and the fruit in Greek creation comment fitting in anywhere in what I said though. Sure, they share similar elements, but one is from a culturally primitive tradition similar to Sumer and Uruk, and the other a newer civilization from the end of the Bronze Age period. It would be more likely that the Biblical or the ANE creation myths were the basis for the Greek creation myths.\n\n>>49\nOrder. God separates the two and gives function for the light and dark to exist."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\nApparently they thought god lights up the sky during the day and the visible celestial objects are just extra lights in the sky.\nWe know so much about reality now that it barely makes sense to read how they thought things worked."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nYou're an idiot. Even from a completely secular perspective the Bible still reflects a big part of the story of how human thought as we know it developed.\nThe idea of logical causal chains emerged from these kinds of symbolic representations of patterns everyone intuitively recognized. It was refined over time until clear enough to be formalized.\n>>52\n>fitting in anywhere in what I said\nPoint is the symbolism being used is part of a wider and older tradition. It's part of a conversation we can barely scratch the surface of.\n>It would be more likely that the Biblical or the ANE creation myths were the basis for the Greek creation myths.\nI assume both come from older myths. The more universal elements get copied across cultures. Academia was always more international than cultures in general, people really interested in learning are hungry for it and seek it out, they don't stay in their bubbles."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nTry not to engage with reality in that manner and see what happens."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>44\n>>On the first day there was a unit of time called a day before the sun even existed\nThat's not a problem. You can still use \"day\" to mean a 24 hour period even if the Sun didn't exist yet. But the narrative does have numerous problems."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nThat makes no sense as the jews who wrote this nonsense had no clue what a 24 hour period even was"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nThe day thing is supposed to align with esoteric numerological ideas that the human week is based on. The established norm globally was a base 6 counting system so \"completion\" was 6. 7 is completion + the additional holy element we can never account for."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nThe week is based on the historical creation week, which is historical fact because the bible is true"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThe pattern that makes 6 special is a part of fundamental reality, not derived from anything else so it's defined by God. The 7 day week reflects something non-physical and divine."}, {"id": 61, "content": "666 is the number of completion on all planes. The height of human arrogance is thinking the complete system is possible or desirable."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>54\nIt’s post-hoc rationalization anon."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nTo sincerely interpret any text you have to explore many alternatives. When coherent information emerges that's a good clue you're on the right track. Dismissing an interpretation because there's a chance you might be projecting to some degree is braindead, it will always be happening to some degree and it's even part of what makes you able to relate to the human writer of the text. It's not a good reason to stop exploring and testing.\nYou retards don't offer any alternative history of the development of thinking either. Everything you say implies you think human thinking just is, it doesn't come from anywhere and doesn't go anywhere, it's just a static thing that popped into existence 200k years ago with fully formed ideas of formal logic and every complex abstract concept magically implanted into every human."}, {"id": 64, "content": "Evolution is completely incompatible with any form of religion and was immediately recognized as such when that drivel was first being churned out. The notion that the eternal, divine form can simply emerge from a more rudimentary creature is not something that can be reconciled with any worldview save materialism."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nAccording to the oldest Christian churches the \"image of God\" is the gift of subjective experience, a phenomena no materialistic model has or ever can describe."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>40\nIt doesn't say plants predate the Sun, the Sun is in 1:3-5 when it mentions the first Day."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>2\n>It is an attempt to reduce man to mere matter in motion\nBut that's true though. What do you think you are if not for matter in motion?\n\n>But explain the soul then\nFirst, prove that we *have* one, and if you're talking about consciousness: if there was no brain, would we be conscious? No? Then consciousness has matter somewhere upstream of its existence."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>unknown\nGod created elementary particles aka light on the first day, he made gaseous substances (hydrogen, helium, etc) aka the firmament on the second day, he made stardust aka dry ground on the third day, he made celestial bodies on the fourth day, last but not least he created all lifeforms on the following days.\n\nftfm"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>35\n>obliviously foolish atheist felating himself again\nRomans 1:22 always makes me laugh"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>foolish atheist\nMatthew 5:22"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>But that's true though\nWhy is roast beef telling me we're matter in motion? I think it's because you know better\n>First, prove that we *have* one\nAgain, why is a robot asking me to prove it has a soul? You know very well what you are, you're lying to yourself"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nIf you want to have an adult debate instead of believing in imaginary friends, you might just wnat to share what's going on in your head there jimmy. You don't want people to think you're crazy now, do you? They might send you to crazy people jail if you can't explain what's going on in your head."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nI don't particularly care what delusional sinners think"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\n>nooo don't call me a fool even though scripture explicitly calls atheistrannies fools\nPsalms 14:1 and dilate and kys lol"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy\nis this an allegory?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nAtheists posting gay porn to own the heckin Christcucks"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nThat doesn't tell you to call others fools, cuck. But don't let me interrupt you as you send yourself to hell. Do continue :^)"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>73\nThen why are you talking to me?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\n>you can't recite scripture that triggers me because it's offensive or something\nDon't ever read what Christ said if that's really how you feel, retarded nigger."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>76\nchristcucks posting porn of themselves to own themselves\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nTo try to wake you up. Get up, dry bones"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod does talk to us in baby talk from time to time, the Bible says so. It's likely this metaphor was a way of explaining complex ideas to ancient people that wouldn't understand it otherwise."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>81\nSo you do care about what I think. I think in a different manner than yours, and you want me to think like you. You can't 'not care' about what I think and be upset about how I think at the same time."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\n>So you do care about what I think\nNo\n>I think in a different manner than yours, and you want me to think like you\nThat's the whole point, you've been thinking like me the whole time. Wake up, dry bones"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>79\nYou didn't \"recite scripture\", you just called a guy a fool. You will burn in hell forever."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nIt is no sin to tell the truth"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nI'm out. Thanks for the talk."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nMatthew 5:22\nEnjoy hell, cuck."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>5\nDarwin was agnostic anon."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>33\n>Did the sea creatures not eat algae?\nnot necessarily, no\nin the beginning* most unicellular life was autotrophic and some ate those\ndefining them as algae would be wrong but to be fair defining them as \"creatures\" is also difficult past a certain point\n*as far as we currently know\n>Are algae not considered primitive plants?\nthey are plants yes, but primitive is relative\nthey photosynthesize and produce oxygen which already puts them a few evolutionary generations past other forms of life"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">IS - IS THAT A NEGRO USING THE WHITE WATER FOUNTAIN? I'M GOING INSAAAANE"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">I am entitled to the things you've created for your own people\n>no I will not improve the black drinking fountain, give me free shit now\nThe sort of mentality jews enable and jews founded the NAACP to agitate and foment riots and unrest"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Force negros to be poor\n>Every time the try to improve themselves on their own lynch them and burn their neighborhood cause you are scared of a negro having more money than you\n>Negros give up cause they'll never be allowed to advance\n>Bitch about negros not doing anything to stop being poor\nYankee inbreeding is indeed a very powerful mind corrupter"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>no I will not improve the black drinking fountain, give me free shit now\nDoesn't make any sense since it's whoever owns the property providing good water fountains for whites and bad ones for blacks."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nraces shouldn't mix. its crazy that only 100 years America was so based to institute segregation"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust wait until you find out what eurospics did with the cagots, fagot"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">IS...IS THAT A NEGRO NOT BEING GIVEN ACCESS TO WHITE PEOPLE?!?! I'M GOING INSAAAANE!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nThat one is a really perplexing case. What the fuck were Cagots?? Should I hate them?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell, white didn't actually go insane since they would have beaten the dindu to death instead. and rightfully so."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nPlease list the times negros were lynched and their neighborhoods burned because they built a nicer water fountain.\n>>4\nAnd the negro property owners didn't provide good water fountains for the negros, because ???"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>And the negro property owners didn't provide good water fountains for the negros, because ???\nWhere was this stated? The point is that if you are, say, a black US serviceman on a military base, or a black US citizen in the downtown area of your city, you have to use a shitty water fountain because of the colour of your skin. Imagine how much you'd seethe if Jews put white people through that kind of daily humiliation ritual."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>colour of your skin\nand cranial bone shape\nand hematic values\nand average IQ\nand genotype"}, {"id": 13, "content": "70 years of constant psyops to destroy society\nWhat exactly is wrong with segregation? Before all the psyops through media people were just fine with it."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nAnd? What relevance does that have? You are the ones who brought black people to your country in chains, a country you specifically established on liberal principles. If you really wanted humane segregation, you could have made an earnest effort, instead of forcing black people to eat shit with little daily humiliations. Spiteful rituals."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nsegregation is the only way to achieve true diversity"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\n\nSo don't join the army and use the water fountains in a black business who can build their own water fountains however they like."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nI didn't do it and neither did my ancestors. But of course anyone who isn't a nigger has wronged you."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n(i am not the guy you were talking about and i am not american) Yes, i think slavery, or rather, bringing nogs into your own homeland, has been a crime against the white people of America and they have been punished for this. So i agree with you on that. They could have partially redeemed themselves through segregation but they failed even at that. America has been a morally bankrupt country for centuries now.\nAs for the humiliation, it was not for the sake of it. Normal whites are genuinely repulsed by nogs and they unbearable stench."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>So don't join the army\nDuring the Vietnam era they were conscripted at a higher rate than whites. Also now you are holding American patriotism against blacks?\n>use the water fountains in a black business who can build their own water fountains however they like\nWhy build purposely shitty ones for blacks though?\n>>17\nI'm not black. I don't believe in white guilt either. But this guy is defending segregation and talking about collective responsibility of blacks"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>11\n>Imagine how much you'd seethe if Jews put white people through that kind of daily humiliation ritual.\nit says in the talmud that goyim aren't allowed to eat with a jew or use the same cutlery"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nOK? And how often do Jews actually enforce that?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nThere is nothing wrong with segregation if they aren't treated like subhumans."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>18\n...As for the Europeans, that's different. Germany never set foot in fucking Ghana or Ivory Coast. and yet, they are full of subsaharan trash over there. Same as scandinavians in the middle east. Or italians in Pakistan. Or spaniards and irish in China. Native Europeans are merely victims of this immigrationist fury enforced on them."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\n\nWhy should whites accommodate water fountains for blacks if blacks are incapable of building their own fountains?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThere is no evidence for the assertion that blacks couldn't and didn't build their own water fountains. But the government is not representative of just whites, it is meant to serve all US citizens. So why is it providing substandard services to its black citizens? Even those who are serving it in a military capacity?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThere were no water fountains built by blacks before they met the whites."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAnd there was no water fountain built by whites before they met the Romans."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n\nSo if blacks had water fountains that are just as good as the ones whites had, why are you kvetching? The military had be desegregated since 1948."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nwe wuz"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nBut the Romans were white, you silly Tyrone. Yeah, i know you will just repeat out of your massive cope \"le italians are not white\" meme. But that's not what genetic analysis says."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nYou cannot just build water fountains in public spaces. The government has to approve it. You are also ignoring the fact that black people did not own as much property. And they couldn't just earn enough money to do so because they were prevented from working!!!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>25\nBlacks are more violent and less intelligent that whites on average. Whites and blacks independent of multiracial nations are observably unequal. Every metric of civilization gets progressively worse the more of them you have. If you had 2 identical cities but one is 70% black but the other one is only 10% black we all know which city would be better to live in. We're intentionally sandbagging ourselves by having to live with a people that will never get right. Saying this simple truth will get you unpersoned and fired from your job too. The Great Replacement and transgenderism will be looked back on as inexplicable barbarism. Historians will struggle to understand why a country spent so much effort to get a weaker working class and inverting traditional moral values."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nAnd petty acts of small segregation helped with this how? They just made blacks resentful. The presence of black people in America is not a conspiracy. They were brought by whitoids."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nThe worst part about slavery is that it brought blacks to America. We would be much better off without them. Ironically they have it better off than their non enslaved counterparts in West Africa. Whites and blacks should live in separate civilizations though. I support black nationalism and reparations through giving each black person 250,000 dollars and a trip back to their own society. That initial cost would pay for itself several times over throughout the next century."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>17\n>>18\n>>19\n>>20\n>>21\n>>22\n>>23\n>>24\n>>25\n>>26\n>>27\n>>28\n>>29\n>>30\n>>31\n>>32\n>>33\n>>34\nI bet you don't know how to build a fountain yourself, alone."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nI am not black. I am Australian."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>31\n\n>a minority doesn't own as much property\n\nFascinating"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nThey owned disproportionately less."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\n\n>there has not been a single black plumber, ever, anywhere in history"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nan Abo worser than a Bantu"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>strawmanning this hard\n>just be a plumber\nbased retard"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>34\nthey will take the money can come back after 2 weeks. or they'll go to Europe as their fellow blacks are doing right now. The situation is unfixable, period. I curse everyday the day the first ship of negroes docked."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>33\nLinguistic and religious conflict happened in diverse regions of Switzerland. How did they fix it? They separated from each other. Seems like in America the fences weren't high enough if they're experiencing petty acts of small segregation, should have been large acts of big segregation."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\nHave you ever been in a multiracial school or workplace? Blacks and other minorities tend to self segregate because people generally like being with their own tribe. Whites would be demonized for this behavior and we've been brow beaten into having out-group preference but nevertheless red birds fly with redbirds and bluebirds fly with bluebirds. In majority black cities you find enclaves of white bars, diners and so on. Is that racism? I don't think so. Multiracial cities score lower on just about every metric when compared to ethnically homogenous ones. Whites and Jews brough slaves over on the North Atlantic Slave trade so what now? Segregation would at least cut down on interracial strife. Blacks need whites to parasitize though because they aren't civilization builders. Who built the schools and roads and farms in South Africa? Blacks show up after white people build civilization even in areas where they weren't brought in as slaves. Immigration is almost always a one way street from brown countries to white countries."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n\nYes? If you want a better fountain so desperately, learn how to be a plumber?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n... or drink from the white people's ones"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nI know all that. I'm not a multiculturalist. It doesn't change how pathetic and sadistic America's segregation policy was. Also there seem to be strong exceptions to the claim that blacks aren't civilisaiton builders, namely Ethiopia. And Botswana and Gabon don't seem to be doing too poorly."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>12\n>>44\n."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n\nWhy should you be given access to what white people built?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nWhy should straights be given access to what gay people built?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\ni was being ironic. of course they shouldn't. imagine drinking the same water as a black."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>gayness is a race/ethnicity\nhahahahahahahahaha"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nYes."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nyou see that pic? a dindu will never be able to achieve it."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nWhat do you think of this ancient Ethiopian Bible anon?>"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nliterally nothing special, embarrassing even comparing that to Michelangelo or Bernini. It was made by syrian monks. Written in greek. And this is how they portrayed people and saints. Sorry you blacks and MENAs are just not good enough to play in the european league. It's crystal clear to anyone having eyes."}, {"id": 57, "content": "Goddamn I need to leave this cesspool of a site. Not because you are racist. Not because you are all faggots. And not because you are pedophiles. But because y'all are astronomically retarded to the point where my brain is committing ritual suicide one neuron at a time. You know that way to fight wokisms is not by adopting the polar opposite right? Good ancestors why am I even trying to argue with the Great wall of planned obsolescence"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nBut you worship a MENA man anon. You how to arabs everyday"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nYou know there's plenty of ancient Ethiopian Bibles written in Amharic and portraying black apostles right? Just not that particular one."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>10\nBlacks in Birmingham who tried to move into the more affluent areas got their houses bombed."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>44\n>Segregation would at least cut down on interracial strife\nOf course. Who could forget the peaceful race relations of the 1890s."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\n“black apostles” they are not black kek. if the average amharic speaking ethiopian is 50% eurasian then they are not black. the apostles displayed here are mixed race. where do you think semitic speaking ethiopians got their language from? the semites they mixed with. they were speaking a cushitic language before this mixing."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nYou will repeat this cope as many times as you wish, you know deep down it's still cope. Your average Ethiopian would have to drink from the black fountain."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nHow is it cope? Their genetics won’t change. African Americans literally complain about ethiopians subverting the affirmative action program by identifying as black when many of them do not look black and stealing stops from actual black students."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>57\n>y'all"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>44\n>Who built the schools and roads and farms in South Africa?\nBlack labor.\n\n>Blacks show up after white people build civilization\nBlacks showed up from where? Whites weren't in South Africa 2,000 years ago.\n\n>even in areas where they weren't brought in as slaves.\nThe only place that had slavery was the Dutch Cape Colony."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>57\nYou lost the plot the moment you started to seethe about muh hecking wokeism"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>IS - IS THAT A NEGRO USING THE WHITE WATER FOUNTAIN? I'M GOING INSAAAANE"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>3\nWhere SHOULD blacks be? if there were no racism, where would they be economically?\nthe same as Whites? Why?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>48\n>hair color is a race"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>62\n>>63\n>>64\nhaha yea, 50% Eurasian = not black, now lets see the DNA results for afro americans"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>68\nbased"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\n>they're not le niggers!\n>still treats them like niggers\nMeaningless babble"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nthe avg AA is 20% white. the average semitic speaking habesha is 50% eurasian. anyone can see the difference. even AAs themselves see the difference and don’t want habeshas using affirmative action. do you disagree with AAs?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>IS - IS THAT A NEGRO USING THE WHITE WATER FOUNTAIN? I'M GOING INSAAAANE"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nigger spits his chewing gum into the fountain then blows his nose into it\n\nFuck outta here raciss whyte boi"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if a private business wants to provide drinking water to all people regardless of race? Would that be allowed or is he legally required to have \"whites only\" and \"blacks only\" fountains?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\n>ethiopians are white now"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nHigh risk of getting set on fire by an angry mob"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>2\nIf it was a private place the the owner should be allowed to say who drinks from it, but many of this were public parks paid for by the state therefore they should have never been segregated, jim crow laws extended far beyond private places. With all of that said it seems incredibly petty to restrict who can drink from a freaking water fountain , public or otherwise."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's GEM"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nWhy shouldn't private businesses be able to discriminate by race?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nI just literally said they should be able to but that public establishment (such as parks which are government mamaged) should not be able to. Like I said regardless if the situation it seems stupid to limit who can use a water fountain, even if the owner can it seems dumb to restrict it."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYesterday the were drinking from the whites only fountain. Today they are burning down cities. Slippery slope is not a fallacy and anyone who says that it is either has shit for brains or is a lying worm."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJim Crow was petty and vile, but -- as with the ban on faggot marriage and disapproval of faggot everything else -- once it was gone, you see what it was intended to prevent."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>85\nTraditions are the solutions to problems we don't remember."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>10\nTulsa Massacre."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "So what is the final verdict over this people? The actuall last survivors of the proud scythian people, or just a bunch of Caucasoids LARPers that somehow took a iranic language?\n\nI want the opinion of the learned scholars of /his/ over this subject."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey call themselves aryan at least, but imo, the actual scythians are the udmurts, mostly cause of the red hair"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>\"In the course of history, Russian-speakers have referred to them as Chud Otyatskaya (чyдь oтяцкaя)\"\n>Chud\nKek, really the ideal /his/ tribe"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>an uralic ethnic group from the urals with y dna N1c is ackshually this indo-iranian ethnic group\n>why?\n>muh red hair"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>>why?\n>>muh red hair\nexactly"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>the actual scythians are the uralics"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Confused georgians"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Caucasians. They aren't Scythian genetically. I don't think even their paternal lines are Scythian. Aren't they mostly J2 or something?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nthere are no other high concentration reda hair population near the original location of historic scythian, so that's why\n>\n>\n>\nsad"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>different ancestry\n>different language\n>different Y-DNA\n>bro, they are Scythians\nYes, this is the high level of discourse I expected from /his/."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nok, find me some other red haired population near the historic area of scythians"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nScythians were mostly blond or brown haired."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nMost scythians were brown and black haired"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>>13\nnot according to the soruces compiled by wikipedia"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nok, find me evidence Udmurts spoke Indo-European at any point"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The actuall last survivors of the proud scythian people\nNo, there are no survivors of the Scythians. Even if they were genetic remnants they would still not be Scythians."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nAncient people called brown hair red."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nI don't need to, a population can change their language, easily"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>source: my asshole"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nAnd their ancestry, and their Y-DNA."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\ncorrect, but if they magically keep one of the most rare hair colors, easily washed away, if they keep that near to the historic area near a historic population, that might give you a hint of what happened\nyou know the best part? I know you know I'm right that's the best part\n\nbtw, no moar (You)s 4(Jew)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>8\nThey are indeed mostly patgernal caucasian, while their mathernal genetics are more akin to iranics"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>correct\nIt's not correct. Are you braindead? They are genetically different people, how can they be descendants of Scythians? Because 10% of them have red hair?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>I don't need to,\nlol, it is over"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>14\nBut according to genetic samples"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nthere's 3 scythain mummies with hair that I know of, one is blonde and the other is brownish, and the other mostly red haired\nI'll let you find them"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\nThis.\n>>19\nThracians, Scythians, Slavs, Germanics, Celts were called red haired. That contradicts genetic studies (and logic)."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nhttps://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2205272119\nThere are two scytho-sarmatians, both are brown eyed and dark haired"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\noh, better go correct the wikipedia sources then\nhah"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">they wuz brown liek me reeeeee the wuz brown reeeee reeeee\nevery thread about aryans on /his/ ever\ndamn these jews don't even sleep, F"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>16\nTajiks and Afghans"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nAnd one of them is olive skinned lol"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\nRed hair is a very rare mutation. There's simply no way that ancient Europe was full of red haired people that completely disappeared. We have ancient samples, red hair is very rare in them. Brown and light brown hair is common in all the groups called red-haired by the ancients."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nWhat about them? They are Tajiks and Afghans.\n\nMutted peoples with no connection to the ancient culture."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nPersia was founded by some kind of steppe people in origin, right?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\ntiresome"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nSome Tajiks genetically resemble Sogdians. Or rather, there's little change between Iron Age samples and them.\nI don't think we have actual Sogdian samples."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>some\n>resemble\n\nOk, they still aren't anything other than Tajiks"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>he present Indo-Iranian populations from Central Asia display a strong genetic continuity with Iron Age samples from Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. We model Yaghnobis as a mixture of 93% Iron Age individual from Turkmenistan and 7% from Baikal. For the Tajiks, we observe a higher Baikal ancestry and an additional admixture event with a South Asian population. Our results, therefore, suggest that in addition to a complex history, Central Asia shows a remarkable genetic continuity since the Iron Age, with only limited gene flow."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOssetians resemble caucasian alanic samples, jasz people resemble european alanic samples, bashkir turks are closest to eastern european and central asian scythian samples, moldovans are closest to european sarmatian samples; digor ossetians closely resemble some of the latter samples"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>8\nG2a, but directly followed by r1a-z93"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>2\nRed hair is an Ashkenazi trait"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>29\nKek"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nthat's an interesting rabbit hole for sure"}, {"id": 45, "content": "what happened, did the rabbi called you all for some kind of prayer in the sinagogue?\nYou MUST complete your job, you must make sure we understand that everyone related to those blonde mummies was brown"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlooks like my dad's side cousin. I am turkish btw"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nthere's plenty of arab depiction of arabs with very fair features, it's kind of a mindfuck.\nI know an algerian girl with beautiful and radiant blue eyes, she has black hair but pale skin"}, {"id": 48, "content": "joomies, get to work, it's not sabath yet"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are Iranic Sythians who were yellowed by Turks, but then bleached by Russians"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>42\n>>2\nThe red hair is mostly because of inbreeding, red hair is plummeting across Europe and even in areas without much immigration like the country side of Ireland, it is being bred out because more social mobility means less cousin fucking and more dominant genes becoming dominant once more."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nno shit sherlock"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>17\n>>33\nMaybe red hair just happened to be more common among those populations? Similar to how Irish are associated with having red hair even though the majority of them don't actually have red hair."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLarper in a larp costume because they have no history and learnt to read and write in the 20th century"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>17\n>Saĝ-gígi hands wrote this post"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Caucasoids LARPers that somehow took a iranic language?\nThe Skoloti were whites that spoke Iranic, so real deal."}, {"id": 56, "content": "Basically alanized circassians who survived by hiding in the mountains from turks/mongols"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>8\n>Scythian genetically\nBunch of mutts."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>49\n>>56\nScythians were huge mutts already anyways"}, {"id": 59, "content": "They are less related to scythians than literally everyone else in the north caucasus\n\nThey are confused georgians"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nt. gogi mutt"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nAre we going to pretend this mutt confederation was homogeneous?\n\nDistance to: Scythian_UKR\n0.05091140 Moldovan_o\n0.05172417 Moksha\n0.05357503 Erzya\n0.05756739 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia\n0.05848548 Russian_Ryazan\n\nDistance to: Scythian_RUS_Urals\n0.05322550 Bashkir\n0.07747167 Tatar_Siberian\n0.08048528 Tatar_Crimean_steppe\n0.08459161 Uzbek\n0.08980191 Tatar_Lipka\n\nDistance to: Scythian_MDA_o\n0.03472981 Swedish\n0.03578435 Norwegian\n0.03623313 Danish\n0.03973275 German_Hamburg\n0.04014302 Icelandic\n\nDistance to: Scythian_MDA\n0.03201682 Greek_Thessaly\n0.03250624 Greek_Central_Macedonia\n0.03254756 Swiss_Italian\n0.03289433 Rumelia_East\n0.03386152 Albanian\n\nDistance to: Scythian_HUN\n0.02252488 Austrian\n0.02627514 German_Erlangen\n0.02715541 Slovenian\n0.02732899 Hungarian\n0.02759298 Croatian"}, {"id": 62, "content": "I don't understand why this guy is still posting the distance to's? His source has already been deconstructed a thousand times."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>cherrypics\njust checked a bunch of samples, they mostly cluster with ukraninans\nwith some italians and mongolians\npretty homogeneous, they had slaves, and buried those in kurgans next to the chief, which is probably what those italians and mongolians are"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\njoomers gonna joom, it's his job, and if it's a janny kinda golem (doing it for free) then whew\nwhy are there so many joomers and golems on /his/?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nThey don't. Scythians, Sarmatians, Western steppe IA cluster with Volga Turkic and Uralic populations."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>62\nyou're right I was gonna debunk this retard for the #393993th time, but then I realized he already knows he is lying"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>63\nMost scythians cluster somewhere in between the north caucasus/tajikstan and northern europe (finland/sweden/baltics).\nThat is by extent closer to literally all north caucasians than to ossetian larp larps\n>>60\nYou will always be georgian, Sarmat."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>61\n>Scythian_UKR\nNot homogeneous. The real Scythians are closest to Uralics/Turkics\n\n>Urals\nReal Scythians\n\n>MDA_o\nSome Germanic.\n\n>MDA\nDacians\n\n>HUN\nLocals, some kind of Celts."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nYou are closer to a monkey than human niggershvili\n>Verification not required."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>42\nahh yes all those celts who have the highest occurrence of red hair are actually Jews! stfu stupid nigger"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>66\nRight, I just thought maybe it was a running joke maybe? It's not very funny if so"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nlike I said before, I just hope for his own sake that this is actually his job"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>69\n>niggershvili\nJej"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow someone post the two based ossetian girls vs the jew so we can have a closure."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\ni was the guy that asked for it last time, here you go.(they dont look armenian btw)"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nBased would breed as is"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>dark brown hair\n>swarthy skin\n>brown eyes\nyeah, Aryan"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nYup 100%, that's why the brownoid said pure, not cum skin rape baby"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nOssetians are admixed with northern caucasian. Northern Caucasians are closer to Middle Easterners than to Europeans. Their Alan ancestors on the other hand are often described by ancient writers as having fair features, e.g. red or yellow hair."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nBy the same metric their Alan ancestors are genetically more related to Middle Easterners than to Europeans. Don't blame retard I'm just pointing out the lack of logic in your post."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nAt least my post is coherent, your 'rebuttle' doesn't even make sense. Alans spoke an Iranic language, that doesn't necessarily mean they were closer to Middle Eastern populations genetically. The PCA charts I've seen put Alans closer to modern East Slavs than to Persians."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>4\n>doesnt know what a haplogroup is\n>thinks language = genes\nsounds like /his/."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>75\nwhite ossetian girl larping as an aryan while discussing with a white ashkenazi jew about white germans who larped as aryans in the past\n\nclown world\n\nDistance to: Ossetian\n0.12398977 Ashkenazi_Germany\n0.16934864 German\n0.19819573 Corded_Ware_POL_early\n\nDistance to: German\n0.13102236 Ashkenazi_Germany\n0.14711129 Corded_Ware_POL_early\n0.16934864 Ossetian\n\nDistance to: Ashkenazi_Germany\n0.12398977 Ossetian\n0.13102236 German\n0.23480776 Corded_Ware_POL_early"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>>80\nthe specific type of Scythian Ossetians claim descent to was genetically similar to modern day volga tatars, they were in between modern uralics (Finns, Udmurts, Samis), modern Tajiks (primordialy pamiris) , Modern North caucasians (mostly Dagestanis) and Modern Scandinavians (particulary icelandics and swedes)\n\nthat said, North ossetians are the north caucasians least related to Scythians of the whole bunch"}, {"id": 85, "content": "north ossetians are literally the least \"scythian\" caucasians\n\nDistance to: Swedish\n0.15120512 Dagestan_Kaitag_Dargin\n0.15245903 Andian_Dagestan\n0.15328731 Italian_Calabria\n0.15613142 Dagestani_Avar\n0.15681749 Dagestani_Dargin\n0.15836035 Ashkenazi_Germany\n0.16403625 Circassian_Cherkes\n0.16459884 Tajik_Pamiri_Rushan\n0.16542053 Chechen\n0.17556358 Sephardic_Jew\n0.17943790 Saami\n0.18005063 North_Ossetian\n0.19982487 Syrian\n0.22140946 Iranian_Bandari\n0.25422302 Egyptian\n0.27195006 Saudi"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>75\nit's better with sound"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>75\nI love her facial expressions and how confident she is, and she actually knows what she is talking about. This is a keeper to wife up here boys"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>4\nThe Chuds were known for enslaving so many Aryans that they became Aryan in appearance.\n>From Proto-Finnic *orja (“slave, servant”), from Proto-Finno-Permic *orja, probably borrowed from Proto-Indo-Iranian *áryas (“Aryan”). Cognates include Estonian ori, Erzya ype (uŕe) and Udmurt вap (var)."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nIt's from \"work\" because Germanics had forced them to labor as slaves. The one word from Iranian is \"asur\" meaning \"lord\" as Scythians had enslaved them too."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever they are genetically, they embody everything about Scythians.\n> ask for independence\n> chinkoid mountain mutt nonIE persecutors escalate the situation\n> get it anyway by blood and iron\nThey also expunged some Inguish apes, very very based."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\n<Also their chief god (Nykhas Uastyrdzhi) is a typical IE solar warrior god whose name can only be directly uttered/wrote by males. Ossetian women are forbidden to do such. Very Indo-European."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nAh yes famous proto germanic word of \"worja\". That etymology is grasping at straws at best unless you can explain how the W dissapears, a clear K sound is replaced with J and and the A that all germanic languages lost was somehow retained. Granted orja/arya is not comfirmed either but at least it makes some sense (plus it'd be funny). Unlike your faggy fever dreams."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>91\nNo dude, its a mix of paleo-balkan and bmac deities, stop making everything gay cringe with your indo european shit"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>82\nBoth their genes and language are uralic you retarded larper, stop trying to pretend like youre being the rational one here\n>>83\n>>85\n>swedish\nNot scythian you nigger\n>>90\n>They also expunged some Inguish apes, very very based.\nYoure a fucking faggot with a gaping asshole"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nNobody cares about their (you're brown) swamp fantasies, subhuman. It's from \"work\". It's because they (you're brown) were taken as slaves by Germanics and Scythians first and then by Slavs."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\n>paleo balkan and bactria margiana deities.\nHow would those two even meet? Aldo, lanhuage families."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nScythians were absolute gypsies themselves"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>94\n>>swedish\n>Not scythian you nigger\nScythians were shifted towards northeastern Europeans (duh), so the most Northern shifted caucasians are the most scythian shifted.\n2+2=4 dumb sarmat. You are georgian"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\nBad grammar and also slav(e) headcannon along with an imagined kinship with germanics (they think you are an uncivilized HIV+ troglodyte and don't consider you subhuman only because its a faux pass in their culture.) You are not german you never willbe. The achievements of the germanic will never be alloted to you.\nBtw stop yapping about linguistics and stick to archeogenetics."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nBrown."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\nNo they absolutely weren't"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>101\n>post 3 different scythians shifted towards northEastern Europeans\nAre you retarded?\nThey were likely similar to Volga tatars/Finns/Tajiks\nDagestanis are the closest and ossetians are the furthest"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nCastrated."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\n>scythians from central europe are le close to europeans\nYes no shit because they mixed with everyone, eastern scythians are closest to turks and mongols, medshit scythians are closest to albanian etc"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nWhat the hell is a mediterranean\nscythian\nYou mean like crimeans/bosphorans?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nScythians were mostly descended from Indoiranics (in between modern northern europeans and Corded ware), Tarim basin west siberian hunter gatherers (70% ane 30% Mongol), proto-xiongu from mongolia/east siberia and potentially afanasievo tocharians that was itself the source of the WSHG admixture.\n\nThis unholy mixture of Yamnayas, pseudo-Amerindian ANE-Mongol mutts and Aryans produced scythians, which jn turn are close to modern uralics like Finns, udmurts, Mokshas, mordvins, samis or volga tatars, Tajiks, etc. Which are northern shifted. A thing ossetians definitely arent. You are just georgians"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>91\n>Warrior god\n>Slayed some serpent-like monster\n>God of light and pacts, exactly like Mythra\n>Even the name is likely a corruption of Mythra (Nykhas)\n>His followers were men-only brotherhood of warriors, again very IE\n>Hates women\nHe just need a twin brother and he may be the most stereotypical IE chief god ever"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>107\nCrazy to think the most \"pure\" IE cultural remnant might be some mountain goatherds.\nBut it makes a lot of sense it would survive in a rugged isolated mountain unga bunga region while everything else syncretized or went its own way. For example koryos as a tradition has been dead in europe for a while now. Or whatever the fuck india is doing. Iran is muslim now and so is tajikistan and they haf their fairshare of exchanges with other locals."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nThe Caucasus is also the last majority stronhhold of the G2 haplogroup, once widespread from there to Ireland, as the vast majority of Neolitic european men found belonged to that haplogroup, while nowadays it's very rare but still widespread across the continent. Seems like the R1b/a gang and the J2a tag-teamed them into genocide from both east and south"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>109\nThis is relevant how?\nIm talking about culture and you bring up genetics about groups that aren't even IE"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nI simply mentioned that the Caucaus is often the last stronghold of stuff that dies out elswhere, be genetics, languages, of cultures, thanks to their remote position"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\nFair enough. My apologies."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>75\ntruly a work of art, the jew seething in the video and the jews seething in the replies here push it to a whole new level, exquisite"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>75\n>>87\naaaand joomers are getting lolocausted\ngreat thread!"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>107\n>>Slayed some serpent-like monster\nNot found in the narts, daredzant or tsartsiat\n>>God of light\nWrong, that's horyuacilla\n>and pacts\nNope, not mentioned anywhere, no such traditions exist\n>>Even the name is likely a corruption of Mythra (Nykhas)\nTotal schizo tier made up bullshit etymology, no sound shifts from N to M, from TH to KH, or R to KH exist in the Ossetic language, no scholar has ever mentioned this anywhere\n>>His followers were men-only brotherhood of warriors, again very IE\nMore made up bullshit\n>>Hates women\nMitras doesnt hate women; all the characteristics that are associated with Nykhas more closely resemble Batraz, whom is a garbled version of the scythian god Targitaos"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>108\nyoure not pure anything, 80% CHG, haplogroup G2a, all cultural traditions derived from eastern orthodoxy, youre inasmuch georgian as anyone could be"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>105\nFrom the balkan coast\n>>106\nScythians are mutts wherever they went, like gypsies, genetically they dont constitute a single ethnic group, no \"scythian cluster\" exists cross-culturally, in the same way that a spanish gypsy would be close to spaniards and a greek gypsy close to greeks"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>115\n>More made up bullshit\ni am not him but\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B3ryos?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>117\nyea nomadic peoples arent exactly know for their genetic purity"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>108\nAnglos kicking their children out at 18 is a very reduced version of the Koryos\nAmerican Outlaw gangs in the 1800s were the peak of Koryos.\nOnly 50+% Aryans like Europeans could produce something like the Old West."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>118\n>joining the military at 19 is the same as nomadic village-raiding military bands that believed they were wolves"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>75\nIf she said she was a Sephardic jew, I would believe her."}, {"id": 123, "content": "Why do a lot of them have east asian like look to them?"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nThey are like 10% east asian"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>120\n>Anglos kicking their children out at 18 is a very reduced version of the Koryos\nAre you for real? They aren't equivalent at all. Very different dynamics.\n>American Outlaw gangs in the 1800s were the peak of Koryos.\nI get where you are coming from but if that counts as koryos (only commonalities is that they are a roving warband, basically) then any posse of bandits is a koryos.\n>Only 50+% Aryans like Europeans could produce something like the Old West.\nRetarded in so many levels I won't even explain them."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>2\n90% of Andronovo and Fedorovo which all Iranics stem from were largely light back to majority dark brown in hair, most Scythians were not BLONDE or even red headed"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\nNo such thing as light black hair. It's either jet black or a very dark shade of brown.\nT. Hair is the latter."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>117\nOh you mean the black sea scythians."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nAnd its a reddish brown at that."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>126\n90% of MLBA scores light hair, half score depending on the specific subgroup they score up to 40-60% blondes. For you to get a reference the average scandinavian population scores 40% in the same tools, while proto-indoiranics were arround 34% overall.\nBlack hair is very sparse and negligible in proto-indoiranics"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>125\nno they are quite equivalent, both have the removal of the young at a young age as a right of passage, they have to live beyond the sphere of their upbringing, which is shared between Anglos and Koryos.\n>any posse of bandits\nnot really considering outlaws in the Old West werent bandits as much as they free men living on their own.\nThey still lived by the social codes of the times, which the Koryos did, both exhibited socially acceptable socially praiseworthy behaviors, but they did so outside of normal society and while not directly in opposition to society like bandits are, both were indirectly somewhat antagonistic toward society because of how extreme their lifestyle was.\n>I wont explain\nYou think aryan means indo Aryan as in Indic and Iranic\nyou are wrong, Aryan was used by anyone in India or Iran, they used the term Arya, a derivative of Heryos\nHeryos has derivatives in Europe such as Celtic Aryos and Greek Arios.\nBoth ethnonyms to describe the CWC offshoots of the Bronze Age, which the original Iranics like Andronovo were.\nEuropeans in North Europe are over 50% CWC/Beaker"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>75\nthey look turkic or georgian desu. both people look more similar than they care to admit."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOssetians are pretty cool"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>132\nThat's because gogis got buckbroken and raped by everyone around them."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>133\nSEXOOOOOOOOOOO"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven if the mutts surrounding Ossetians score .01 more in their closeness to Scythian samples compared to ossetians, there's still the fact that Ossetians are the only people that speak the closest language to Scythians, and language is the defining characteristic of a culture. Cope about it how you want, but even in their conduct, Ossetians embody everything about Scythians:\n> peacefully ask for independence\n> chinkoid CHGigger gruzins begin their serpentine antics and escalate situation, since smaller borders makes rats feel cornered\n> CHGigger chechens/georgians can't fight Ossetians, so they start shoot up a preschool at Beslan\n> Ossetians answer with blood and iron.\n> fellow chinkoid CHGigger inguish get caught slipping and get wiped off the map too and rendezvous with their friends in Hell.\nThere's no need to discuss this further."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>7\nlewl it's sad but true\nall of these tiny would be states that are indistinguishable from their neighbors\n\nmeanwhile to anyone from the outside they look exactly alike, they are all just churkas to me."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>133\n>>137\nhttps://youtu.be/87po4F8ZRJs [Embed]\nyes"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\n>Ossetians are Aryans\n>Hitler would say so\nlmao\nthe absolute state of churka cope"}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>138\nThe girl on the back is really cute"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\nshe's a literal nazi\nhere's a version with subtitles so you can see the disgusting things she is saying\nhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1683251102198339.webm"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>122\nit's the nose"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>138\n>>141\n>>75\nVery swarthy, nor Georgian.\n\n\n>>1 (OP)\nLooks Georgian."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>131\n>no they are quite equivalent, both have the removal of the young at a young age as a right of passage, they have to live beyond the sphere of their upbringing, which is shared between Anglos and Koryos.\n18 is the age most Westerners consider to be adulthood. Second, there is no ritual or fraternal element to this. Just a side effect of how nuclear family-oriented Anglo culture is.\n>not really considering outlaws in the Old West werent bandits as much as they free men living on their own.\nThey were also bandits, Scalpers, cunts, and the like. In that way, they resemble the Koryos.\n>both exhibited socially acceptable socially praiseworthy behaviors\nAs far as outlaws go, more in the folktales than in the real world. And regardless they were still considered outlaws and reviled.\n>but they did so outside of normal society and while not directly in opposition to society like bandits are\nOutlaws were quite directly antagonistic to all the societies they met. Their own too.\nBy the way, the outlaws rarely came back to society (alive, that is), unlike the men of the Koryos.\n>Genetics talk\nLet me explain why it's so retarded. You misinterpreted my post. It's going to be a lengthy one so wait up. It deserves its own wall of text."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>144\nNot most westerners but Northern Euros.\n>no ritual\nThe practice itself is the ritual, as I said before it is reduced.\nKoryos weren’t bandits or scalpers.\nThey were warbands who dwelt outside of society but still adhered to the values of society.\nOutlaws in the Old West weren’t reviled. It depended on who you asked and the outlaw in question. In brown lands outlaws are universally subhumans.\nIn White countries outlaws have ethical codes, a respect for honor, a reputation they maintain. Plenty of outlaws retired to settle down. In fact the Mormons were all outlaws and their founding population was comprised entirely of Anglo bandits who were evangelized and kidnapped women from passing pioneer wagon trains.\nThere are numerous towns in the West founded by outlaws staking a claim.\n\nI await your post explaining why Heryos is an inappropriate word to describe people who referred to themselves as Heryos."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>123\nwhat you perceive as \"asian\" is femininity, kavkaz women have hyper feminine faces like east slavic and north germanic women\n\n>>124\n5%\n\nTarget: Ossetian\nDistance: 3.0752% / 0.03075176\n81.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps\n10.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n3.6 Han\n3.0 WHG\n1.4 Nganassan\n0.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>132\ngeorgians and turkics look nothing alike, georgians and \"turkic\" turkish and azeri people do"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>147\nhalf of the women are HIGHLY fuckable, what the hell?\n\nwhat country is this? chinks, gooks and nips look like shit on average"}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>144\n>Only 50+% Aryans like Europeans could produce something like the Old West.\nThe first thing I will explain is the notion that 50+% aryan Europeans (Englishmen, actually) \"produced\" the wild west. The English did not create the Navajo, the Apache, the Comanche, the Pueblos, the Lakota, or the Mexicans, the Englishman did not produce the horse or even play a role in introducing it. The only thing he did to the West upon stumbling into it was take part in it and eventually, conquer it. The wild west existed before the Anglo ventured beyond his forts&villages hugging the east coast and had they not changed the world it would exist long after they could not be truly called \"Anglo\" anymore.\nAnd I say Anglo because it was the Anglo, not the German, the Swede, or the Dutchman with their abortive and abandoned colonies. Partially, it was the Frenchman. With their mighty trading leagues of the missisipi.\nBut more than those it was the Spanish (who dare I remind you are very low on the meme percentages) who can be credited with \"producing\" the Wild West. After all, it was they who introduced the horse, the gun, and the Christian faith to the West. Not the Anglo.\nWith that out of the way.\nNow I can't prove (nor do I want to) the Englishman didn't bring his own special character into the West. Even if that character did kill it in the end. But it was in no way produced or even contingent on the \"Aryan\" element, which eventually killed the wild west anyway.\nI believe your view is a sad byproduct of historical illiteracy along with a regrettable myopia widespread among humanity. I am certain I too suffer from it.\nThank you for reading.\nI wished to wax poetic today."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>148\nKazakhstan"}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>145\n>Koryos weren’t bandits or scalpers.\nBut western outlaws were. Hence the difference.\n>They were warbands who dwelt outside of society but still adhered to the values of society.\nThe outlaws of the wild west range from what you say here to following no law but that of themselves.\n> In fact the Mormons were all outlaws and their founding population was comprised entirely of Anglo bandits who were evangelized and kidnapped women from passing pioneer wagon trains.\nMountain meadows\n>I await your post explaining why Heryos is an inappropriate word to describe people who referred to themselves as Heryos.\nIt's more about pretending the Wild West was \"produced\" by the English ( or anyone with 50+% of the percentages) because it already existed when they got there."}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>149\nNot him but... the Spanish are just servants for the aryans, they are a slave caste always seeving aryans similar to eunuchs, their rulers are aryans, they follow aryan cosmogony and have aryan ydna, they speak an aryan language as well, but they are not properly. However they are instrumentalized like dogs by aryans over and over, snet into meat grinders for tribal court intrigues.\nThat said. What characterized the wild west wasnt the presence of christianity definitely, nor the horse (which anglos always had because it came of course from aryans, so consequentially it would always be introduced with them, or anyone east of america for this matters), the gun as well, the social characterization of the wild west was but the aporoach of the anglo to it, of the society it formed, a society of course the spaniard, whose nature is extremely submissive and servile, for their DNA is farming equipment for the most part except in those that represent the paternal assertions, couldn't form\nThe iberian is a servant race, he follows the pope and kneels to his law.\nThats his purpose and his endgame. Few connections it has with the wild west\nOne must say, the indigenous native element was relevant, the wild west was contingent to a social will, produced by the mere expression of natural individual manifestations.\nand killed by the expansion of a organized state"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>152\nYou don't really sound like you know what you are talking about. To be completely honest.\nI don't feel like entertaining you today. Maybe tomorrow."}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>81\nTheir Alan ancestors are genetically more related to Middle Easterners than to Europeans, idiot.\n\n>Alans closer to modern East Slavs than to Persians.\nNope.\n\nDistance to: RUS_Alan_MA\n0.06139525 Talysh_Azerbaijan\n0.07403554 Iranian_Persian_Shiraz\n0.16243607 Russian_Smolensk\n0.16285778 Russian_Kaluga"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>154\n>Their Alan ancestors are genetically more related to Middle Easterners than to Europeans, idiot.\nThose are not alans, they are just medieval ossetian peasants from the \"kingdom of alania\"\nIs like running a medieval italian peasant to prove something about lombards lol"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">search \"how Mao won\" on Youtube\n>expect some long and detailed video essay about the chinese civil war\n>search results: irrelevant videos, obscure videos with less than 10k views and biased copium videos about how the CPC didn't actually win, the KMT just lost\n\nwhat gives?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "You're a fucking retard with ADHD and the YouTube algorithm has picked up on it."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nconsidering I'm getting 1-hour long videos on the Great Leap Forward, I doubt that"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow he won: he hid out in Pu’nan while the KMT did the heavy work. There, saved you two hours."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nso Mao staged one of the greatest and most famous strategic comebacks of all time just by hiding?\nsounds legit"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Military history of China in the early 20th is embarrassing, not even Arabs have such scale of shameful displays"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliterally read \"Little Red Book\", and I am not even a communist"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ntl;dr,\nMao literally larped as a forest people during civil war. He hid in forests and caves, suddenly emerged when there were low amount of soldiers and ran away into wilderness when an actual army came. He recruited some young men trying to have fun and he immediately occupied avaliable villages to form some sort of model government and get supplies."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe \"won\" by waiting for the Soviets to take over Manchuria and hand it over to him. /thread"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\nYes, see>>8\nHe hid the entire time while everyone else was fighting each other and then took charge when everything was done."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe 1st NEET commander"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>nooooo waaaaaah you can’t just sit back and wait as your incompetent enemies destroy each other\nCope"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis one’s pretty good\nhttps://youtu.be/g7XkFaGFxLo [Embed]"}, {"id": 14, "content": "The communists fought a low intensity guerilla war while Chiang's Central Army, the one he had working to build for like a decade, got wiped out in a year, his power base got taken by the Japanese, and he was forced to build a new army and a new power base. His good soldiers died en masse to the Japanese, and when it was time to fight the Communists he was in a shit position. I can link a dissertation about the central army if you want, it's long as fuck but you'd really only be interested in a chapter or two."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMao was a syphilis ridden and self absorbed idiot that took his country to the very brink of collapse for vanity reasons"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\n>He hid in forests and caves, suddenly emerged when there were low amount of soldiers and ran away into wilderness when an actual army came.\nThat's the genius of it. When you're outnumbered and gonna lose, you don't fight. When the enemy is sleeping and has left an isolated outpost and you can mass your own dudes, you launch a surprise and destroy them and take their stuff:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/yADSY-0chyk?t=3564 [Embed]"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nbraindead\n>>1 (OP)\nBecause Stalin won the civil war for Mao"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">Chiang goes to war with Communists\n>West doesn't support him\n>Chiang loses\n>West loses its mind"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMap won because of the Soviet Union. It conquered all of northern China and Manchuria at the end of summer 1945, and this all went to Mao’s people. With this position of strength they conquered the rest of China"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nLink to the dissertation?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>Choosing your battles wisely is… le bad!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>12\nnobody said any of these, take meds immediately"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>17\n>Because Stalin won the civil war for Mao\nStalin supported the Nationalists until the CCP walked into Nanjing lmao"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\n>casually forgets Chiang's retard levels of corruption and how bad the infighting was in the KMT which led to the US slowly stopping their support for them\nVinegar Joe called it yet /his/lets just push it aside"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI'm not forgetting. It's the case that they could either support the corrupt KMT shitshow, or nothing at all. If they genuinely didn't want China to fall to the communists, then in hindsight, it was a poor decision. Though people probably didn't want to send people and money to China after the biggest war in recorded history.\n>>20\nHere, hopefully its open access\nhttps://www.proquest.com/docview/303334968/fulltextPDF/E0CBBDD7C634087PQ/1?accountid=4485"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nHas an Arizona U login, looks like its paywalled"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>Sending a very small amount of aid to stop the Japanese genocide of the Chinese is siding with the nationalists!\nliterally braindead"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do leftists think \"ACAB\" applies to these guys?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're talking about people labeling as bootlicker anyone who supports a state they define capitalistic only to bend over to their own party and any requests that may come from it.\n\nBecause there's no way a state with a different name could behave like the evil capitalistic one, absolutely can't happen."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">Do leftists think\nno"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Yes,actually. Red cops are still bad,retard."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI thought cops were only bad insofar as they defend private property and capital..?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Do leftists\nLiberals. Big difference.\n\nLeftists actually believe in the state."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ones who say acab do, yes."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">anon confuses american liberals for leftists occurrence #57290"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Police\n>enforces private property and maintains capitalism, engages in random acts of violence\n>enemy of the proletariat\n\n>People's Militia\n>protects state and personal property from bourgeois and lumpens\n>proletarian"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDepends on the Leftist\nAnarchists? Yeah, they're annoying but at least they're consistent in being anti-state and shit.\nMarxists? They'll write a whole fucking book explaining how \"um AKTSCHUALLY the PEOPLE'S POPULAR LIBERATION police is not the same as the fascist liberal capitalist police because uhh ummm they're not the same\"\nModerate center-lefts, at least the ones in Europe (e.g. SPD in Germany) at least acknowledge that Soviet style police were oppressive agents and they advocate for the type of policing we have in modern Europe today (i.e a lot less violent and more chilled out, unless you're France)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\n>>8\n>Nnnnooooo all the cringe ones are actually LIBERALS!\nLmao stfu dude, ACAB was invented by Marxist labour unions in the UK all the way back in the 1920s and 1930s. Anarchist groups also use it.\nI repeat, \"ACAB\" is literally a communist labour union slogan, they invented it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>hecking moderate leftists\n(liberals)"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nThis. Liberals RESPECT our officer.s"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nYou can keep using liberal as an insult, but ain't nobody on this planet who seriously thinks the Soviet Union was a better society than Finland or the Bundesrepublik lmao"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat the fuck is acab"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nsee, I'm such a simpleton that I figured the average leftist hates cops merely because of le niggerinos and abuse of power"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nthis is your brain on american self centeredness"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes. What part of \"all\" is not definitive?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>2\nWell I mean communism is inherently good because equality and I learned in my public education school that equality is the greatest virtue."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>American self centeredness\n>American\nI'm European, you halfwit. That's exactly why I know ACAB comes from Europe.\nI can't tell if this is funny or sad, do Zoomers seriously think *everything* is American nowadays? I give it a year before I see people claim that Kropotkin was also an American."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nive never fucking heard anyone here unironically say \"ACAB\" and im literally a member of our communist party\nwhat kind of fucking cretins do you hang out with"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\n/pol/tranny cope"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nbut even in countries were there are no blacks, leftists don’t like cops"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nWhat country are you from, England? The most militant left wingers in France, Germany, Greece, Italy, and Spain are all openly and loudly anti-cop."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nCops ARE niggers. They're violent impulsive retards who get paid by the government to do so. Just like niggers."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>21\n>Is a communist\n>Doesn't hate cops in a capitalist society\nThe one hanging out with cretins here is you bro. The ACAB crowd is ideologically consistent and inline with what every Marxist revolutionary group espoused before they took power in their respective countries.\nErich Mielke, the head of the Stasi in East Germany and long time KPD militant, literally made his fame by assassinating Policemen in the Weimar Republic era."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nWhat's the point of bearing personal animosity to people in the system?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>Erich Mielke, the head of the Stasi in East Germany and long time KPD militant, literally made his fame by assassinating Policemen in the Weimar Republic era.\n\nAnd this type of terroristic vengeful bullshit is why commies deserve execution."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nleftists are completely incoherent on cops, anarchists hate all cops which devolves all justice into vigilante lynch mobs and the authoritarian leftists (marxist-leninists) just want red cops and attach themselves to the anarchist rhetoric to desperately grab support despite not believing it\n\nso the tldr is that they have no real actionable opinion on cops that could ever be implemented in the real world, so its left to gay neolib policy wonks to give a trillion billion more dollars to social programs which have never actually worked and just pray that retarded criminals dont be retarded criminals\n\n>inb4 but crime has gone down!\nyeah, probably because policing is more effective and cctv exists"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nbased department called, it's for you"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\n>>24\n>>21\n>>20\nThis shit cracks me up. Europeans online have become so obsessed with labelling everything they disagree with as \"American\" that they'll straight up forget their own history or ignore their own society lmao.\nYou see this shit all the time on this website. Right Wing Euros on /pol/ accuse the fucking USA of inventing Atheism and Homosexuality, nevermind that everyone in the real-world European Union actually thinks the USA is an overly religious and conservative society. Then you have the Left Wing Euros on Reddit who will insist that the idea of Race never existed in Europe and it's all American inventions, completely ignoring that people like Voltaire, Hume, Kant, Hegel, etc. all refer to \"Race\" or that the terms Caucasian and Negroid were invented by German anthropologists.\nI won't even be surprised if I see some Frenchman claim that Simone de Beauvoir was American because he finds her too \"woke\" for his tastes, or if a German Commie claims that anti-Semitism was invented by Henry Ford because Big Bad Americans are the root of all Right Wing Reaction."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nthis is what i mean by incoherance. functionally acab, but the second they have power they just recreate red cops. which is fine since thats what fascists say they want to do, but at least fascists dont cope by attacking the institution of organised crime fighting the same way leftoids do"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>, so its left to gay neolib policy wonks to give a trillion billion more dollars to social programs which have never actually worked and just pray that retarded criminals dont be retarded criminals\n\nI think reforming the police could help.\n\nAmerican cops are pretty hastily trained compared to other countries.\n\nAlso, you don't have a jeandarmerie equivalent, that's there to actually beat the shit out of people, without raising animosity towards regular cops."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\nTraditionally, most Marxists view Policemen as class-traitors.\nThis isn't some obscure knowledge digga, that's literally what public propaganda posters say lol."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nwatch le wire"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>hen you have the Left Wing Euros on Reddit who will insist that the idea of Race never existed in Europe and it's all American inventions\n\nLeftists are retarded, but yes, race hasn't really been the main self-identification thing in Europe.\n\nOver here, we hate each other over ethnicity, and immigrants are just some more ethnicities to hate/be chill with."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nYah it's obviously hypocritical bullshit on their part. Same way they espouse pacifism while the DDR's (East Germany) education system was even more militarized than the West and being a conscientious objector in the DDR meant that they'd ruin your life and blacklist you from university or any good career."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\n>but yes, race hasn't really been the main self-identification thing in Europe.\n>Over here, we hate each other over ethnicity,\nBut that's the thing, Ethnicity was treated as Race in Europe. This distinction is a purely post-war thing. The Nazis called the Slavs another race and treated them as such.\nAside from that, Europeans absolutely did have a concept of \"white race\" and \"black race\". Part of the reason why the French used Africans to occupy the Rhineland was exactly to purposefully humiliate the Germans, while the Germans were especially offended because they were being occupied by \"inferiorers\" and not equal white men.\nFurthermore, during the Boxer Uprising, the Kaiser Wilhelm II straight up espoused Yellow Peril rhetoric and talked about Whites uniting against Yellows (Asians)."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\ni really really hate this discourse because whilst its true there's more distinction between white races in Europe that doesn't mean that \"white\" is an American fucking thing. everyone in Europe knows what white means and we use white constantly to refer to Europeans. and obviously race is extremely important, since no one cares about ukrainian refugees despite the migrant crisis from syria mindbreaking most of western europe to be more reactionary\nt. brit\n\n>>37\ni dont get why they cant just say the police will act to preserve the state they exist in and enforce the laws. this is bad for communists so they are antagonists to a communist movement but obviously the police will still exist after the revolution.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Lfc_QmoGQ&t=49s&ab_channel=Xexizy [Embed]\n\nthis is a good video, its an elaborate cope by an influential online leftist, that the tldr is just: we want red cops but are too afraid to say it"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n> French used Africans to occupy the Rhineland was exactly to purposefully humiliate the Germans\nthis did not happen and the french went to extensive lengths to prevent mingling of colonial troops with locals"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnybody unironically saying ACAB is retarded and shouldn’t be considered truly leftist. I’m sick of these anarchists and libshits acting like the face of our movement when all they do is bitch about \"the culture war” and \"LGBT rights”. Real leftist are trying to make life bette for the economic lower class and poor, not yell and scream about how mentally ill faggots should be allowed to read to children."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery single ACAB abolish prisons leftist wants people jailed for 5 years for misgendering them. There is no exception to this."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nWell whether the French intended it or not, the German population was absolutely outraged and angered by the presence of Senegalese troops and 500+ mixed kids were born."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>39\n>everyone in Europe knows what white means and we use white constantly to refer to Europeans.\nNo, your asses do in Britanistan.\n\n>and obviously race is extremely important, since no one cares about ukrainian refugees despite the migrant crisis from syria mindbreaking most of western europe to be more reactionary\n\nNo, we care about them because half the continent hates Russia, and ukrainians are literally checking every thing right-wingers said they would agree to, in order to receive refugees(similar culture, women and children, employable, non-violent, don't self-ghettoize, etc.)\n\nIf Russia started a war in Tatarstan, somehow, they would get the same treatment as Ukraine."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>No true Leftist\nSee >>41\nCommunists have always seen the Police force as a tool of the Bourgeoisie state to crush opposition and protect private property. This is literally Orthodox Marxism, it's not \"culture war LGBT bullshit\"."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\n>>everyone in Europe knows what white means and we use white constantly to refer to Europeans.\n>No, your asses do in Britanistan.\nHe's correct though. Even in fucking Iceland, they specifically requested to the US government to not station any black troops there, but they were fine with white Americans."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nI don't know, man, i'm from Romania, and we've literally never used white in any news article.\n\nThe fringe woke retards we have literally had to invent words, to translate \"whiteness\" as a concept.\n\nEven our famous hate against gypsies is against them as an ethnicity.\nLegit indians, even those that come here, are seen as pretty ok people."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>Romania\nWell to be blunt, the \"core EU\" is generally used as the standard for European norms and culture. France + BeNeLux + Germany + Italy. In these countries there 100% is a \"White race\" idea for well over 100+ years now. Italian propaganda posters in WW2 were stoking fears of black savages raping white women for a reason (also Balotelli has mentioned anti-black racism as being part of his whole life growing up in Italy)"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>Italian propaganda posters in WW2 were stoking fears of black savages raping white women for a reason (also Balotelli has mentioned anti-black racism as being part of his whole life growing up in Italy)\n\nI think it was more \"the american blacks, which are known to be pretty barbaric will rape the locals\" than a statement on racial conciousness.\n\n>also Balotelli has mentioned anti-black racism as being part of his whole life growing up in Italy\n\nAgain, just one more ethnic group to hate.\nThey used to shit on us, too, until recently."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>34\nThey should become aware of a concept called 'desiring under a description'. Policemen don't join the police force desiring to 'betray their class'. They join the force under the 'false consciousness' of thinking they are going to serve their communities and bring their families money."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>45\nYeah Marx hated the police so much that every single state created using his ideals is infamous for its police force. He said that under a capitalist regime, the police are often a tool of oppression, but he never calls for their dismantlement. The police are not part of the upper class and can support the struggle as much as anyone else. They are often tools just as the factory workers are, but that doesn’t mean Marx hated factory workers."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>4\nWow anon, OP made a simple question. There's no need to reply in such an aggressive manner. Is everything ok at home?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>43\n>the German population was absolutely outraged and angered by the presence of Senegalese troops and 500+ mixed kids were born\nWow I wonder how those kids got made??"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>11\n>Nnnnooooo all the cringe ones are actually LIBERALS!\nYes. Leftists actually fight to create Leftist regimes. Liberals are just righties pretending to be left."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\n>I think it was more \"the american blacks, which are known to be pretty barbaric will rape the locals\" than a statement on racial conciousness.\nReally? You seriously think them being Africans had nothing to do with it? There's a reason why they were depicting black as night soldiers, which made up a tiny portion of the US army, and not a bunch of white skinned Americans (and definitely NOT Italian-Americans, who were also famously Mafiosi at this time).\nCome on you can't be fucking serious. WW2 was literally the pinnacle of Racial Consciousness running amok. While Italians were stirring up fear about the Big Black Horde, the Germans were talking about defending Europe from \"Asiatic hordes\" and Japan was talking about \"liberating Asia from the White Race\".\nIf you can read German, just look at pic related."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>Leftists actually fight to create Leftist regimes.\nLeftist Regimes also tend to support all the \"cringe\" stuff like... Gender equality and getting rid of religiously rooted prejudices like homophobia."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>Yeah bro Europeans totally had no conception of the White-Black dichotomy that they themselves invented and definitely just viewed Africans as being the same as any other Ethnicity they'd come across in the European continent\nI'd pull out Kant's and Voltaire's quotes about Africa too, if I could find my old university books."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>45\n>>No true Leftist\nCorrect. Just like how /pol/troons consider mainstream conservatives \"not real right wingers\" because they aren't racist enough."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nLeftists are mostly concerned with political-economic matters. You just described noise.\n\n>Gender equality and getting rid of religiously rooted prejudices like homophobia.\nI don't see this in China nor Vietnam. I see this a lot in the Liberal West though.\n\nStop blaming others for your own faults."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>56\n>>59\nLeftist are the cause of homophobia.. modernity is the cause of homophobia.."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\n>political-economic matters. You just described noise.\nOh right, women working and their political rights are completely apolitical and meaningless noise. No True Communist has ever commented on women's affairs ever.\nWhat the fuck is this bullshit of 4chan \"Communists\" trying to frame themselves as being completely detached from \"le cringe west\"? Fucking Mao Zedong said pic related, this isn't \"western liberalism\", it's fucking Maoist Chinese Marxism"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>59\n>>Gender equality and getting rid of religiously rooted prejudices like homophobia.\n>I don't see this in China nor Vietnam. I see this a lot in the Liberal West though.\nYou do see this in China and Vietnam, retard. Everyone who is anyone in the CCP hierarchy is an Atheist lmao, being militantly Anti-Religion has been a thing since Stalin started executing priests by the thousands. Meanwhile, East Germany decriminalized Homosexuality immediately while West Germany only did so in the 1970s.\n>Inb4 the SED and DDR weren't true Lefitsts\n>The CPSU weren't true Leftists\n>True leftism is some obscure 4chan idol nobody cares about because he's \"based\" and \"against woke\""}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>24\nbelgium"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThose guys are militia, not police.\n\nLenin and Trotsky wrote several articles against the police."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nSo lefties would stop sperging out if we just renamed our police and called them something else?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nNo, because it's not simply renaming it."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\n>The state's monopoly on violence and law enforcement group is uuuhhhhh ummm ahhh NOT THE SAME OKAY????\nWtf is next, the Red Army isn't an army?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Do leftist think\nNope"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nWhose state?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nleftists just hate uniforms, they love plainclothes cops"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\nThe Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It had a UN seat and everything."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey (You)! Yes (You)! (You) do not have any obligation to follow any orders from leftist “authorities”! Their laws are illegitimate! If a leftist “authority” gives you an order, you have the right to shoot them in the head!\n\nBang! Lol!"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>11\nThis is your brain on ideology"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>2\n>Because there's no way a state with a different name could behave like the evil capitalistic one, absolutely can't happen.\nIt's not about a State. Or a party. You are confused with vanguardism."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, leftoids believe that after they'll teach people to be better and then they won't need cops anymore."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>45\nTrue, that's why they use the \"totally not the police\" militias."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npretty much, two types of people join police forces, those with a genuine desire to protect their community and do good, and assholes who want a badge and some petty power, the latter invariably corrupt the former over time.\n\nand quite a few 'leftists' view the USSR and China as betrayals of any sort of 'leftist' principle."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>6\n>Leftists actually believe in the state.\nyes and no.\n\nleftist believe in an ideal of the state ' the state is the people and the people are the state' the state in a leftist ideal society is a democratic entity the expressed will of the people made manifest.\n\nif you arent being given frequent opportunities to exxpress your opinion freely and vote in a meaningful and fair election then what you have isnt socialist or communist its totalitarianism it might be totalitarianism selling itself as something else, which is what the soviets did and what the CCP does.\n\nand a cop abusing power is a thing to be despised in any society, police are citizens entrusted with power to be used to protect and maintain society and uphold the law and the law must be universal the same law for everybody, once cops start forgetting that then ociety has a serious problem."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>23\n>leftists don’t like cops\nprobably something to do with the long hitory of police forces being used less for the stated function of enforcing the law equally and protecting all in society and instead being used as strikebreakers and protest crushers in societies where protest was fully justified.\n\nif a society is undemocratic -and lip service aside most societies in the world arent very- the police are used as much as a tool to control and suppress the population as to do actual crime prevention. this tends to piss off people"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nACAB is true in capitalist states because cops are class traitors for serving a capitalist state and thus the interests of a few capitalist elites. In proletarian dictatorships, cops serve the proletarian state and thus the interests of the masses."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nLiberal jibber jabber"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>78\n>yes and no.\nTypical. No true beliefs or integrity.\n\nJust say you want power and less vaguely to kill White people. Isn't that easier?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nI'm white why would i want to kill white people.\n\n>>78 clarified that belief in 'the state' is not blind and unquestioning the state must have obligations to the people as well.\n\nthe right as normal prefers to set up a strawman version of what they say all leftists believe in rather than actually learn a fucking thing."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI agree with them, there were no police prior to the industrial revolution (and its consequences) and things were better. There should be a neighborhood watch made up of conscripted volunteers for cities and people in the country should just own guns and protect themselves with them."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>6\n>he thinks liberals don't believe in the state\nWho do you think defends their so called rights?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Crazy to think that if WW1 never happened. The Anglo-Japanese alliance would be the strongest power bloc in the world.\n\nAmerica would remain isolationist and still be rich as fuck. But unless a direct threat emerged, they’d never invest massively into their military. (And considering by the time the British policy was for an alliance with japan, Britains main trade partner was America, and Japan relied on American resource imports. Neither one had a reason to provoke the USA)\n\nThe main thing that destroyed their good relations is that the massive debt Britain owed to America after WW1 led to them having to back America in whatever demands they made. The biggest one that fucked the Japanese alliance was the Washington naval treaty which set a limit on naval buildups, something japan couldn’t accept. And which Britain had to lest America recall their debt."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nAlso I just find it Pretty interesting how much japan directly copy pasted from Britain for its political and societal structure during the meiji reformation. I guess they decided that Britain was similar on paper enough for it to work. E.g. parliamentary system. Incorporating nobles into another house (samurai land owners becoming lords etc)\n\nPlus of course they wanted to keep their emperor. Even though they largely did fuck all. Much like the British monarch."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nEven in drawings Japs are still hideous"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The main thing that destroyed their good relations is that the massive debt Britain owed to America after WW1 led to them having to back America in whatever demands they made\n\nNo, we aren't Greeks, we don't mind paying our debts back in a timely manner. What fucked up our relations was the US siding with commies to fuck us over in the Suez crisis. We built the fucking thing, it should be ours."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIt's clear that Japan and Britain occupy the same metacontext in their respective regions. Down to specific historical events, being influenced by the major empires around them and adapting their culture(Rome/China), down to waging a period of wars to pacify the northern tribes (wars against the scots and against the the Emishi). Anyone who knows the history of both regions can see the similarities."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIf you think the empire was still salvageable by the suez crisis then you’re just plain wrong. Britain was meant to occupy japan along with America after WW2 and decided not to because they couldn’t afford it"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Edward would have rekindled the alliance"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nuoooooh"}, {"id": 9, "content": "USA didn't break its isolationism with ww1, if anything it reinforced their isolationism. It was ww2 that made America step into the world stage, first to defeat the risen fascism worldwide and then to prevent the rise of communism, added with its economic and military zenith, and the vacuum left by the collapsing European spheres."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine if the British and Japanese crowns married into each other and united their countries and then we got an unmatched naval empire full of cute hapas :3"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n...for the USN to destroy ^_^"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy didn’t Tojo renewed alliance with Franco-Britain?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nOne major difference is that England had almost a millenium of constant involvement in the mainland, while Japan tended to shut itself up in its own little world. As a result England accomplished its grand strategic goal of preventing Europe from uniting, while Japan was unable to keep China from knitting itself back together (which tbf was a lot harder than keeping Europe divided)"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nunlike with Britain the difference is that quite a few Japanese actually took the theoretical powers vested in the monarch quite seriously. Like in Britain even though technically the Monarch is the commander in chief of the armed forces in practice the political leadership handles all of that. Whereas in Imperial Japan the political leadership never managed to gain control of the armed forces, although in practice this didn't mean the emperor directly meddled but rather to empower the military as a political player"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThey tried to do so with Korea, but Japan had a bigger task at hand with China. It'd be like Britain going up against the roman empire at it's zenith"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>f you think the empire was still salvageable by the suez crisis\n\nI didn't even argue this, can't you fucking read? Honestly, just stop posting if you can't even read dude."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nBased."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\nI’m still mad over Suez Crisis and I’m not even British. How did Americans think that it was a good idea to grant more power to uppity thirdies?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nCause it took power from the Brits."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nBut was it worth it?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>america controls entire world except china, iran, north korea, cuba, and eritrea\nyeah i'd say it was"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nHell yeah."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>11\n>tfw no Anglo-Japanese hapa war bride from my occupation of London in '49\nWhy even live"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>10\n>>23\n>Meet up real life Tifa and Cloud in Italy\nVGHhhh!"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>America would remain isolationist and still be rich as fuck\n>The great depression"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe alliance ceased to serve it's primary purpose after the Anglo-Russian conference of 1907 and the Anglo-Russian entente. To truly preserve the Anglo-Japanese alliance at its greatest extent would require preventing the unification of Germany. The best way to achieve this would be an Austrian victory in the Austro-Prussian war. Without a united Germany, the British and Russians never have a common enemy to unite against and the Great Game continues for the foreseeable future."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>11\nRoyal Navy at its peak will roll over even the entire planet's worth of combined ships."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n>>21\nEgypt is now a country that has open slave markets after the American supported \"arab spring\". How is that situation better than Britain retaining the Suez and the USA using their influence over Britain(we are essentially vassalized at this point) to control the region? Egypt is fucked up now, the whole region is fucked."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat wouldn't be very profitable.\nThe flow must flow.\nHaven't you ever BANK'd before?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>21\nYet the Global South is rising in power dangerously fast, and there’s a real threat that the thirdies may one day reign supreme. We shouldn’t have given them an inch."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nIf they hadn't voluntarily decolonized the entire third world would eventually become Vietnam tier insurgencies, far better to keep the nogs as \"independent\" economic puppets than battlegrounds/openly hostile."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nor Anglo-German alliance of 1898."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nLibya is the country with the open-air slave markets. Egypt's just a standard military autocracy."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>23\nShe will cheat on you and divorce rape you. It's better to discard them when you're done instead of marrying."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">go to primary (grade) school\n>learn all sorts of fun things, ancient rome, ancient egypt, victorian times, dinosaurs, vikings\n>go to secondary (high) school\n>uhhhhhhh WW1... WW2........ and.... um........ the Cold War\nI learnt more about history from being a Fate/Stay Night fan than I ever did from school"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery school does a shit job at teaching the chronology of history as well\n\n>Egyptians, Romans, Vikings, er... WW1\n\nBut the focus on modern history in secondary schools is ridiculius. I could choose from a few units and all of them were WW2 or later."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIf it were me, I'd change the focus to how people were the same back then as they are right now.\nRoman grafitti is were it started for me."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nMine wasn’t as bad as you’re making it sound. Yeah, the teacher was a football coach and not a historian, but we had one year of western history and one year of American history, and he did about as well as he could have. A school year actually isn’t much time at all to study all of history."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou should have sought out knowledge on your own, loser."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHistory is really just a series of fables and myths anyway, so who cares?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nMr. S hated me obviously but he wasn’t a bad teacher. He was actually really lenient to me. I still hate most of the people from that class though and I mention them to pick on them. Like the polak and that frumpy, doughy girl named Chandler."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nI don’t remember us going chronologically like that. I remember us learning the same material in middle school history and again in AP Euro."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can I get some recs for good books about the eastern front"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Absolute War by Christopher Bellamy\n\nA really annoying thing I've discovered about pretty much all Eastern Front books is that the first hundred pages is about the Winter War and invasion of Poland."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://archive.org/details/whentitansclashe00glan_0"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIsn't that where it all kicked off in the East though? I mean it's hard to write anything detailed about the American revolution without devoting at least one paragraph to the French and Indian war."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n\nBecause youre reading casual history by historians who just wants to make money like Antony Beevor, and thus every book assumes you're uninformed and wants to provide context.\n\nIf you want to read some real advanced academic shit about the eastern front then I suggest Mark Harrison: Accounting for war."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/htmlview"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nBloodlands by Timothy Snyder\n\nFrankly it should be perquisite reading when discussing the Holocaust and Eastern Front"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOstkrieg\nStalin's War\nWhen Titans Clashed\nBetween Two Giants"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">blacks get used for slave labor for 400 years\n>get no reparations, stay poor\n>Jews get used for slave labor 2 years\n>get so much reparations (even from allied countries lmao) their now the richest white people in the world\n\nWhere is the justice in all that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeither should be breathing"}, {"id": 3, "content": "who do you think sold the slaves"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's easier to resolve misgivings the nearer they are in history. That's why it was a simple thing for a Republican president to give reparations to Japanese citizens who were mass interned, but we haven't given anything to Blacks.\nIf something has just occurred, the whole of the country can justifiably be called guilty. On the issue of slavery, we were always divided and it occurred over a century ago."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>get no reparations\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThe reparations are welfare, food stamps, and affirmative action"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews lived in the same poor ghettoes as blacks when they first arrived in America and they now own America."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nDamn, why did they deserve so much handouts? Sounds kind of like insurance fraud."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks are not people you all should be culled jews are the finest humans in existence"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThey ain’t giving you a green card vijay."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nWhat the fuck are you talking about retard, the the jews CREATED America. The Revolution was financed by Haym Salomon and supported by sephardic slave merchants."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDidn’t realize blacks could live for over 400 years. Point out the poor man who was enslaved for 400 years, and I’d gladly support reparations for him."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nShow the Jew who got gassed and he’ll get reparations"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\\\nLol. Wait until OP finds out that most slave owners were Jews."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nLol, huge cope there kikefriend.\n\nIt was created by English Puritans. Jews have been gypsy ghettoniggers for most of their existence. The only exception is Hungarian Jews who were largely admixed with R1b Europeans anyway."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews were never used for slave labor. They say that they were but they lie about all kinds of shit all the time."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nI have dual citezenship americam and israeli"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>It was created by English Puritans\n>The Philo-Semitic millennialist undercurrent came to have a direct influence on politics. A number of Cromwell's close advisors, such as John Dury, John Sadler and Hugh Peter, came into contact with Dutch-based Jews such as Menasseh ben Israel and advocated Jewish resettlement in England (they had been banned from the country since the 13th century). Sadler, Cromwell's secretary, even argued that the British were one of the Lost Tribes of Israel in his pamphlet The Rights of the Kingdom (1649) and thus kindred to the Jews, initiating British Israelism. Other Puritans such as Jeremiah Burroughs, Peter Bulkley, John Fenwicke and John Cotton,[18] some of whom lived in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, saw Jewish re-entry to England as a step on the path to their eventual return to Palestine (all tied up within a millennialist eschatology, which would hasten the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and thus the final judgement).\nAmerisharts - kike slaves, zionists and masons since day one."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews actually worked"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nתפסיק להעלות את התמונה שלך לכאן אוטיסט"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhat reparations did jews get that blacks didn't"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe US has spent around 20 trillion dollaridoos on welfare since LBJ launched the great society."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks don't own the media lol."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are the most incompentent and retarded race to ever walk this earth, of course any reparation you give them is a waste."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlacks were used as slave labour for 1500 years by the Arab slave trade.\n\nBlack people should be paying Britain for going out of their way sending the Royal Navy to intercept slave ships and bombarding coastal cities to end african slavey worldwide."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy 400? Arabs are white too and they are set to be the majority in western countries in a few decades. The west owes at least 1000 years of reparations to Blacks."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nbig fat checks from the German and French governments for all 12 of their grandparents who were gassed in a two car garage and then vaporized out of existence. What, you think the Jews became rich because they were smart? Nah they’re just welfare queens."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwell you see, it's simple really, you need to understand one simple fact\nwhite people is to blam\nnot jewish international banking clique, certainly not the jewish media, and off course not the US jewish-bought politicians\nI hope that's clear enough"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Jews aren't rich from WW2 reparations, they were rich beforehand; US Jews didn't even get them.\nBesides, Western Europe got tons of money in Marshall Plan aid, it just wasn't framed as reparations. Might've helped the Israeli economy through the early years though."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir rights that white people fought for are black's reparations"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nDid Germans and French hand out cheques to American jews?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>blacks get used for slave labor for 400 years\nWhen? When did this period begin and when did it end?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>11\n>>18\nExcept that Frankling and Hamilton founded the cultural and economic center of America explicitly to oppose \"Those London Hebrews\""}, {"id": 34, "content": "black people have small frontal lobes. thats all that needs to be said"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews>blacks"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>4\nThis is unironically the answer"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>31\nThe French national train company (SNCF) is forced to hand out several billion euros every few years to Israel because Germans used its railway to send jews to Auschwitz."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is wrong with divorce exactly?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmarriage should be a lifelong covenant and not something you can just enter in and out of like a bar"}, {"id": 3, "content": "i care not if there is no children involved"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndivorce corrects a mistake so nothing wrong in that"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>till death do us part.\nNah a few years and I’m out because we really ain’t that compatible after all. Why don’t people just not get married if they aren’t ready for that kind of commitment."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGives women too much parity with men. Women having parity with men is demonstrably a bad thing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>marriage should be a lifelong covenant and not something you can just enter in and out of like a bar\n\nWhy? Why should people be forced into staying together if they fundamentally do not like each other and cannot cooperate?\n\nI’d rather have a minority of TRULY committed happy people marrying than a bunch of miserable fucks trapped as roommates with someone they can’t stand"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhy are people marrying people they can't stand? Maybe if they knew they'd be forced to stay together they would be more careful about who they chose"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n>>8\nThat's a really idiotic subject to make your larp stand about."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShalom"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNot an argument faggot"}, {"id": 12, "content": "It's very possible for people to fundamentally change over the course of several years. Mental illness, personal tragedy of some kind, who knows. You can't commit your entire life to something, then have it change 100% and be expected to stay \"committed\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>>2\n>marriage rate plummets to 0 because there are no benefits"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nYou're gay anyway wtf do you care?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\ni'm not gay\ni fuck fat whores on Tinder"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing, betas are against it because they want to control their wives and stop them from leaving them for chads."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nDon't get married then"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nbut people will call you a kike if you say that"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nYou probably are if you love divorce"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCompletely rips apart a stable family unit in favor of temporary momentary gina tingles"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>stable family\n>has divorce\nummmm\nexplain"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>8\n>Why are people marrying people they can't stand?\n\nWhy do you make friends with people you can’t stand? Shit happens. People change, people start to grate on each other living in close quarters, people refuse to change, people idealize each other, many reasons.\n\n>Maybe if they knew they'd be forced to stay together they would be more careful about who they chose\n\nThat’s between the two of them, not you"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\nThat’s literally it. Alphas know they can replace a partner instantly. Betas desperately cling to the one woman who gave them a chance.\n\nMost domestic violence is the result of beta male mate-guarding."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nI grew up in a broken home and it was worse than a divorced home. Being forced to be a messenger and chess piece between 2 roommates is a nightmare."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>16\nChads get cheated on and left all the time\n\nThe idea that you can avoid being burned by a woman by being the most alpha whatever faggot is a lie being sold to you by self-help guru's"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nmaybe leftists shouldn't get married or reproduce"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nThis wasn't a problem in the past. Maybe people just need to stop being so entitled."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>16\nbingo\n\n>>26\nits less about being cheated on but the ease at which you can find a replacement. im a mediocre white guy in a medium sized city and i know without fail i could get a new gf within 1 or 2 weeks if i wanted. and im by no means chad. but better yet, the abundance mentality means that i will rarely fall for shit tests, and if i do and she loses interests? back on tinder and dating again"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>>24\n>>16\nr9k trannies"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nDo you enjoy having a string of broken relationships rather than stable partner?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\n>Maybe people just need to stop being so entitled.\nWhy do you feel entitled to dictate how other should live their lives?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>dealing with a bitch is stable marriage"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nSo is that a yes or a no?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\nNobody ever said that “alphas never get cheated on”\n\nAlphas are less DAMAGED by cheating (they don’t emotionally invest in women) and are at lower RISK by cheating (women only fuck upward)"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nWives are worse behaved than girlfriends\n\nThe girlfriend knows she can lose her job instantly\n\nThe wife has tenure"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDivorce is a blessing when the parents are unhappy together, even worse when one partner is being stubborn and refusing to concede that the marriage failed, it invariably leads to an abusive household.\n\nIncels on 4chins can’t comprehend this because it never occurs to them that being marooned in an unhappy relationship is a more isolating and lonely experience than being single.\n\n>hurrr covenant\nIt’s no more a crime than declaring bankruptcy"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nNeither of those are true\n\nWomen will cheat on you with a broke ugly dude if she feels like doing it at that moment. They don't make rational decisions when it comes to relationships.\n\n>>36\nFemale behavior is the way it is because of women's rights/sexual liberation, not because a woman is a wife vs a girlfriend."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\n>Women will cheat on you with a broke ugly dude if she feels like doing it at that moment.\n\nHighly unlikely unless you’re a bitch in comparison\n\n>They don't make rational decisions when it comes to relationships.\n\nWomen are 100x more calculating and ruthless in relationships than men are\n\n>Female behavior is the way it is because of women's rights/sexual liberation\n\nNo it’s not you egalitarian tradcuck. Women have been hardwired since the first sexually reproductive lifeforms crawled out of the ocean to collect the genetic material of the most superior male."}, {"id": 40, "content": "MGTOWcucks are so retarded"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>31\nyes i do enjoy it, which is why i do it.\n\nthe goal is marriage and kids but im not self cucking myself by losing all self respect the second a woman opens her legs for me\n\n>>39\nif that anon read madame bovary he would kill himself"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>Highly unlikely unless you’re a bitch in comparison\nIt happens all the time.\n>Women are 100x more calculating and ruthless in relationships than men are\nNo they aren't, they're emotional/whimsical. Rich, attractive, highest status men routinely get cucked.\n\nOr do you think you're more high value/high status than Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Jeff Bezos, etc?\n\n>No it’s not you egalitarian tradcuck. Women have been hardwired since the first sexually reproductive lifeforms crawled out of the ocean to collect the genetic material of the most superior male.\nThat's why in traditional societies women didn't have rights and had arranged marriages and that system was stable and the current one and ancient polygamous ones were not."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\n>yes i do enjoy it, which is why i do it.\n>\n>the goal is marriage and kids but im not self cucking myself by losing all self respect the second a woman opens her legs for me\nDo you think you're going to enjoy it in a decade when you've become wrinkled and balding and women don't want to have casual sex with you unless you pay her (explicitly or in kind) for some begrudging sex?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\ni still having healthy long term relationships like every other regular person, I'm just not tying the knot within 2 months like trad people do (before having an identity crisis when they find out they actually hate each other)"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nYou're not tying it at all sounds like. They're also not healthy since they end prematurely and routinely"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nNTA but all three of the men you mentioned married extremely high status women, its barely even comparable"}, {"id": 47, "content": "Divorce happens because people practice discrimination and imperfect love. When people use marriage as a form of self-indulgence, unstable relationships are created. They say \"no, this other person is a better object for my lust\" or \"no, there is no love in this marriage; I realize I only love myself\" and make a mockery of God's love. To them, it is sin.\n\nPeople who are obviously lost make meaning of things that are definitely bad for them: drugs, orgies, and any meaningless self indulgence. People who are more subtly lost make meaning of things that should be good gifts: family, community, career, nature, and sex in the context of marriage. Loving worldly things is worshipping the creation instead of the creator.\n\nMeaning is the fact that all humans are capable of reconciliation to God. Meaning comes from fully realizing that we have been loved perfectly. Meaning is to cultivate thankfulness to the master who loves us. Meaning is submission to His will."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nanon i never said i engage in hookup culture excessively, nor did i say that i end relationships prematurely or routinely. this is all a fabrication you've created to cope\n\ni engage in long term relationships with the goal of marriage and kids, the only difference being that I'm also capable of any point exiting the relationship and finding someone else if and when that becomes necessary or preferable"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>She met Will Smith in 1994 on the set of Smith's television show The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, when she auditioned for the role of his character's girlfriend, Lisa Wilkes. She was considered too short and the role went to actress Nia Long. Will and Jada later began dating after he separated from Sheree Fletcher. Prior to this, Will had developed an attraction to Jada, but did not act on it. Jada eventually moved from her hometown of Baltimore to California to be with him.[107] On December 31, 1997, while Jada was three months pregnant,[107] about 100 guests attended their wedding at The Cloisters, near her hometown of Baltimore, Maryland.[108] Regarding her marriage, Jada said that they are \"private people\" and told one interviewer, \"I will throw my career away before I let it break up our marriage.[109] I made it clear to Will. I'd throw it away completely\".[110] The couple produce films through their joint production company, Overbrook Entertainment and Westbrook Inc.[111][107]\n>After graduating from college, Tuttle worked as a research assistant to Morrison for the 1992 novel Jazz.[15] She also worked in an administrative role for hedge fund D. E. Shaw in New York City, where she met Jeff Bezos.\nYes very high status careers before meeting their husbands"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nAnd yet you're unmarried without kids"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nonly 21 big guy, i got time, my goal is to be married and have kids by 28, which means i have about 3 more years to fuck around before i get serious :D"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe children it produces, primarily."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\njada was an established actress (obviously not A list though) and Tuttle married bezos pre amazon and helped run it for a time. so yes they were status-matched"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nlol, lmao even"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nat which one?\nid grant you that Jada and will weren't on the same level but that doesn't really give away anything else. what do you think that just because a guy has fame that a woman will worship him forever?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nI have been arguing against that in this thread\n\n\"Redpilled\" people have convinced themselves that being the most successful alpha chad is the way you protect yourself from being cucked. But the reality is those guys get cucked and divorce raped too. You can't win at the game.\n\nThe solution is a much more radical restriction on women's rights."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>will smith chad\nAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nalso bezos cucked his wife not the other way around"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nSource?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nYou think you have higher SMV than Will Smith?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nit was all over fit when it happened since the woman was bogged to hell and back, cba to check though\n\n>>60\nSMV doesnt matter if youre a broken man at heart. WIll has been a laughing stock to the average man for a decade with what he lets jada get up to. he's the most buckbroken man in hollywood and its not even close. everyone in this thread has more self respect than he does"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\n>it was all over fit when it happened since the woman was bogged to hell and back, cba to check though\nBezos was already separated before he started dating that bimbo\n\n>SMV doesnt matter if youre a broken man at heart. WIll has been a laughing stock to the average man for a decade with what he lets jada get up to. he's the most buckbroken man in hollywood and its not even close. everyone in this thread has more self respect than he does\nSo you think a woman won't cheat on you or divorce rape you and you think you can pull more women than a rich celebrity actor because you respect yourself more?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>So you think a woman won't cheat on you or divorce rape you and you think you can pull more women than a rich celebrity actor because you respect yourself more?\n\nyes"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou don't know what's wrong with divorce because you don't know what is the meaning of marriage."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nadendum: will smith can probably get more bitches then me its true, but id never get cucked like he did, that requires a special degree of mental retardation"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>63\nWell in that case you're simply delusional or have been brainwashed by self-help videos into believing that."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>13\n>women can no longer divorce you for no reason (no fault divorce) and take half your shit and never let you see your kids again in the anti-father divorce courts\n>this is a bad thing"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nI'm not a tradcuck seeing marriage rates as success"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\ngo read anything about will smith and jadas relationship. you are just completely out of your depth on the subject, even the most pathetic men are rarely THAT pathetic\n\ncould he be divorce raped? maybe, would he actually be cucked. absolutely not"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nChildren of divorced parents tend to become criminals which is harmful to society.\n\n>One major parent-related risk factor for criminal development is parental divorce, as several studies have shown that parental divorce leads to offspring antisocial behavior and criminal convictions [3,4]."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>32\nI don't. Stop projecting your leftoid horseshit on to me. I don't feel the need to legislate everything just because I think it's bad."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nThat's only really applies to single mothers.\nFamilies with single fathers tend to be more stable."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>8\nConsidering that the gang here is all about people marrying young, you grow and change from your late teens and early 20’s. In fact it would be strange if your personality at 30 is the same one you had at 20 or 22."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>71\nBut you provide no justification for your beliefs? Divorce is rarely a good thing, but in many cases, it's a necessary evil. The option should be available in order to avoid a much worse scenario."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nI guess people in the past just had real problems to worry about"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nYeah no anon they just beat their wives and divorce was much harder for a woman to initiate and carry out"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\n>They just beat their wives\nGonna need a citation on that one moshe"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nWhy don’t you actually care about what’s true? Do you want to just wander through a life of confused delusion?\nYou’re wondering why people in the past almost never got divorced, the fact is that women can initiate divorce now and it used to be much harder if not virtually impossible legally.\nTake or leave the beating thing, but the difficulty of women to divorce in the past was increased, yielding lower divorce rates."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nWell then women being able to initiate divorce so easily is clearly a bad thing."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>25\nI feel for you bud."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\nOr marriage in nuclear families is a bullshit unnatural institution for a large portion of the population."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nYou say that but there's no reason to believe that. When we had that family structure our societies were actually functioning. Now that its been largely abandoned our societies are shit. It's not THE reason why but it's clearly one of them."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nthat family structure only existed at societies prime\nsuddenly afterwards everything went to shit\nmakes you think...."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nWell on a personal level you can just be smarter about who you marry and when in your life, clearly with divorce rates going down many people handle it fine.\n\nIf you make it harder for women to divorce your oppression women.\n\nIf I were in charge I would try and make extended family living the norm again to lower the pressure on the couple and childcare.\n\nI don’t find oppressing women acceptable. They’re people like you and I, locking them into a permanent marriage to someone they don’t like is cruel and you should not be surprised that they despise people like you."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\n>that family structure only existed at societies prime\nIt literally still exists now, you just spend more time staring at screens than you do going on dates"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a complicated situation, DESU. Sometimes a divorce is for the best, sometimes it really isn’t. In cases where the people divorcing have kids, a divorce can often really fuck with the kid mentally, but if the parents are at a stage where they’re getting a divorce, maybe they should. As for people without kids, I have no real opinion."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>86\nOh! I forgot to mention that the courts can often be favorable to women when it comes to things like custody, which is bad."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\nOh wow a nuanced non-retard on /his/ with life experience"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nWell my parents divorced when I was a kid, and it did tuck me up in the head a bit, but seeing as my dad was abusive to my mom and us kids, I can’t really blame her for the divorce. Having said that, the two of them handled the divorce poorly, and I do think more divorced parents need to not let their petty emotions get in the way of providing stability to their child’s life."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>85\nand are you really claiming things are actually functioning nowdays?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nYou’re going to have to be more specific man. I see some economic problems and looks like some issues in cities but that’s why I don’t live in a city."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nHe’s mad and bitter because he’s a NEET who wants the government to issue him a wife and hen force her to stick around no matter how bad or lazy of a partner he is"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nSort of ironic that the guys who need a gf the most choose the least appealing ideologies and religious beliefs to almost all women"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNothing, it's without question a good for both individuals and society."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>8\n>Why are people marrying people they can't stand?\nNow that women have achieved more rights and higher wealth parity, this basically doesn't happen anymore."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I grew up better in a stable family. Not merely different. BETTER. And everyone should get a better chance at that."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>60\nWill Smith isn’t an alpha dude. He’s a rich beta male with class clown bonuses."}, {"id": 98, "content": "Divorce Incorporated was created by lawyers to make shitloads of money. Probably Jewish ones.\n\nThe entire process creates debt (to lawyers), mental illness, and fucks children up.\n\nIt is a huge mistake even for parents who can make it work to teach their kids now that they should look to marry for life.\n\nMarriage is a religious thing. Civil unions are what everyone else should enter if they want some more substantial form of companionship, and they should be required by law to pick a reasonable amount of time the union should last, say 2 years, or 4, or 8 or something. Division of assets on dissolution of the union should be automatic.\n\nFrankly, I'm fucking sick of the current stupid situation."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nWas it the wholesome, PG rated rap album that gave it away?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\nThat’s what gets me. So many betas think that waving money or fame in a girl’s face will make her RESPECT a man or feel AROUSED by a man.\n\nTupac was rich. Will Smith was rich. Tupac was famous. Will Smith was famous. Guess which one alpha widowed Jada?\n\nMoney, status, and connections are USEFUL to woman. Not arousing. A shy awkward skinny/chubby multimillionaire crawling on his hands and knees begging a girl to marry him is not gonna get the same reception as a smooth, aggressive, physically powerful, cavalier, emotionally unavailable millionaire.\n\nAny dude can get laid if they pay a chick enough cash. That doesn’t equal respect, love, or anything else. Shit, that even goes for platonic relationships.\n\nNo guy respects a wuss or wants to be friends with a wuss. Because when the shit hits the fan, he’s going to be useless like a woman."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>93\nHe’s just lazy and wants to be rewarded for putting in the bare minimum effort"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nI mean if they actually knew what women wanted, would they really have time to piss and moan about it on 4chan?"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>12\n>>23\nThis is retarded. People don't change, or atleast they don't change in an unexpected and drastic way. I would give leeway for Alzheimers or Schizophrenia but that's circumstantial and rare, most people get divorced for shallow reasons. Beyond that the purpose of marriage, aside from tax reasons, is procreation. Divorce is setting a bad example for your children and could potentially mess them up if they're at a young age. It's a huge burden for something so selfish.\nT. Child of divorced parents"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>103\n>people don't change\nGet a life, desu ^w^\nYou might learn a thing or two outside of your parents house, nya 030"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\n>Divorce is setting a bad example for your children\n\nTeaching your kids to walk away from unhealthy relationships and placing value on their happiness?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nAlso lots of people get married for stupid reasons. Some women think it's okay to bully men into it. I've dated girls who demanded marriage be on the table after a week or two of infatuation, and seen other guys actually fall for it and get married after a few months. Marriage is a woman's institution, and them going hard for it is a power move.\n\nIt is total insanity to me to consider marriage before dating for 2 years. You don't even really know someone well until you've known them for that long.\n\nJust kidding, I'd never actually consider it at all, women are really fucked up."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "where is it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Jordan\nAnyone saying Ethiopia is 100% a nigger"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Melted down."}, {"id": 4, "content": "where did moses get the box anyway? quite ugly if god made it, i had higher expectations."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Ethiopia"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt had a very Egyptian design, which makes sense with the exodus"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nethiopia. Solomonic dynasty protected it but got stolen"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts Mary.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmii0zRKP5A [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": "it was stolen by dick dastardly and muttley"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey found some tunnels under the temple at one point but no one will let any archeologists under there because reasons. My bet is that it's hidden down there."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nAlso I've done like no research on the subject, I just watched this video. It's pretty good.\nhttps://youtu.be/_9sTr6n0MFc?t=1337 [Embed]"}, {"id": 12, "content": "The scholarly consensus is that the Exodus, as described in the Torah, is not historical. So the ark of the covenant, built during the so-called Exodus, never existed."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nGod gave Moses the exact specifications, and then the best Israelite craftsmen got together to make it"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThis \"scholarly consensus\" is pushed by kikes like Finkelstein who LARP as atheists as to avoid bringing attention to his digs."}, {"id": 15, "content": "It's in Malta\n\nWhy do you think the crusaders built a city there?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThe majority of scholars agree there is no historical Moses, and no reason from archaeology, or history, to suppose any of the Exodus story is true."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably melted down by Roman legionaries"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>Jewish guy says the Chosen People stuff is nonsense and is anti Zionist\n>Anti-Jews still find a reason to hate him because he denies the existence of his own ethnic-heritage's magic box\n????"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nOof, based if factual"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Israeli\n>anti zionist\nDo you realize how stupid you sound?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nused by titus as a leg rest"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nKek was confusing him with another Finkelstein then\nEither way though, who cares? A Jewish guy says the story is mythical and BS, what's there to be mad about? It's his own culture's fantasies for him to decry.\nDo you get mad when a Swede says Odin isn't real?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nIf factual? Nigga the Romans pulverized Jerusalem and then made a Triumphal Arch you can go see in Rome, there's not much to debate about it. The original Temple's treasures all got sacked, if they survived the Romans then they were taken by Germanic barbarians"}, {"id": 24, "content": "Ron Wyatt found it."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nbased beyond belief"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>>19\n>Oof\n>based\nAnyone here born after 2004 should be banned from posting until they've lurked for 5 years."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>8\nhttps://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/mary-the-ark-of-the-new-covenant"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\njokes on you, I'm old as fuck and have been here for more than a decade"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>8\n>unleashing the power of deifying cuckoldry will BTFO'd pretty much everything around it\nmakes more sense than it should, concerning"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\n>Jordan\nwhy"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nNgl that part is the gayest shit. It just comes out of nowhere in the bible. 100% it's cuckery."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRandom cave around Mt Sinai"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n2 Maccabees 2:4-5"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nwww.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/ark.htm"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>8\n>Mary has the rod of arron inside her."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>12\n>The scholarly consensus"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>4\nIf you read the Bible, it describes how it was made in excruciating detail. Most people understandably skip those parts.\n\n>Moreover, you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twisted linen, and blue, purple, and crimson yarns; you shall make them with cherubim skilfully worked into them. 2 The length of each curtain shall be twenty-eight cubits, and the width of each curtain four cubits; all the curtains shall be of the same size. 3 Five curtains shall be joined to one another; and the other five curtains shall be joined to one another. 4 You shall make loops of blue on the edge of the outermost curtain in the first set; and likewise you shall make loops on the edge of the outermost curtain in the second set. 5 You shall make fifty loops on the one curtain, and you shall make fifty loops on the edge of the curtain that is in the second set; the loops shall be opposite one another. 6 You shall make fifty clasps of gold, and join the curtains to one another with the clasps, so that the tabernacle may be one whole.\n\nThat goes on for about 20 chapters."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>That goes on for about 20 chapters.\nbased"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSmelted to golden butt plugs for faggot Romans who raped the Hebrews out of existence"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nIt wasn't just a box, it was the mercy seat, a throne where God would come and sit as Jesus. The priest couldn't see him since Jesus was going to remain a mystery and blind the jews in smoke of God's wrath."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nMost people draw it with wings covering the top, but the wings could have been as a backing for the seat.\n\n[Exo 25:17 KJV] 17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat [of] pure gold: two cubits and a half [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.\n[1Ch 28:11 KJV] 11 Then David gave to Solomon his son the pattern of the porch, and of the houses thereof, and of the treasuries thereof, and of the upper chambers thereof, and of the inner parlours thereof, and of the place of the mercy seat,"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nI fucking love christcucks they're so delusional it's unreal."}, {"id": 43, "content": "I really like the theory that it was a big ass battery designed to cause electroshock induced mystical experiences."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nJesus loves you 2\n\nHere is the better picture of it as a seat, like a throne."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>3\nOnly correct answer."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>37\n>Most people skip that\nMeanwhile I've had to read it twice now. First in ye olde English because I fell for the KJV meme and now again in my RSV2CE after realising I was missing half the deutorocanonicals after finishing the old testament."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>41\nThe commode, or as more commonly refer to it, the toilet, is something everyone uses on a daily basis.\nIt is the centerpiece of most bathrooms and iterations of the modern toilet date back over 5000 years.\n>>42\nperhaps it was god's commode?\n>>44\nwhere god would take a shit?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>35\n>Aaron"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Area 51"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>16\nThe majority of scholars don't know shit and speculate as much as any schizo"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nin that warehouse there"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nIf there was a Jewish exodus from Egypt\nshould we expect there to be evidence of it?\nor\nexpect there to be no evidence of it?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThere is evidence of it."}, {"id": 54, "content": "The answer is in the Bible. Look up the descriptions of Boaz and Jachin. They were not supporting anything and their purpose was to be a part of an underground mechanism, a counterbalance. When activated, the mechanism hid the Ark underground, where it still is to this day"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\n>>51\nBased indianajonespilled indycel"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nwe know that moses didn't exist and the exodus didn't happen,\nbut there's a chance that solomon's temple did, albeit small."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nok, not what I asked\nstill,, I take it we both agree that we should expect there to be evidence of a Jewish exodus, if that really happened"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>5\n>>7\nIf god is so powerful and knows everything, why did he leave it a country he knew would become Muslim majority?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nEvidence is a pretty vague term, but while we generally would expect archaeological evidence it does not necessarily mean that there would be any. It is not necessary in any case for us to have certainty concerning the Exodus, since biblical proofs are sufficient."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>since biblical proofs are sufficient.\nSufficient to whom, exactly?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nTo anybody because truth doesn't care what your opinion is."}, {"id": 62, "content": "Never existed."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nAccording to my intelligence contact, my dick has opened your mom's fat ass. I don't care what your opinion on that is, it's the truth."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nThe Bible is just a written opinion / fanfic."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n>"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>61\nAccording to my intelligence contact, my dick has opened your mom's fat ass. You must accept it as the truth the way your mother accepted me into her"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nThe Bible is the word of God"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nIt is not, in point of fact. Rationally and historically speaking it is verifiably not."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\n>Rationally\nWhat's that?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>46\nShould have got a KJV with apocrypha"}, {"id": 71, "content": "According to the biblical narrative, Solomon's Temple was plundered several times. In the fifth year of Rehoboam's reign (commonly dated to 926 BCE), Egyptian pharaoh Shishak (positively identified with Shoshenq I) took away treasures of the Temple and the king's house, as well as shields of gold that Solomon had made; Rehoboam replaced them with brass ones (1 Kings 14:25; 2 Chronicles 12:1–12).\n\nA century later, Jehoash, king of the northern Kingdom of Israel, advanced on Jerusalem, broke down a portion of the wall, and carried away the treasures of the Temple and the palace (2 Kings 14:13–14). Later, when Ahaz of Judah was threatened by defeat at the hands of Rezin of Aram-Damascus and Pekah of Israel, he turned to king Tiglath-Pileser IV for help. To persuade him, he \"took the silver and gold that was found in the house of Yahweh, and in the treasures of the king's house, and sent it for a present to the King of Assyria\" (2 Kings 16:8). At another critical juncture, Hezekiah cut off the gold from the doors and doorsteps of the temple he himself had overlaid, and gave it to king Sennacherib (2 Kings 18:15–16).\n\nAnd the Temple of Solomon was plundered by King Nebuchadnezzar II of the Neo-Babylonian Empire when the Babylonians attacked Jerusalem during the brief reign of Jehoiachin c. 598 BCE (2 Kings 24:13). A decade later, Nebuchadnezzar again besieged Jerusalem and after 30 months finally breached the city walls in 587/6 BCE. The city finally fell to his army in July 586/7 BCE. A month later, Nebuzaradan, commander of Nebuchadnezzar's guard, was sent to burn and demolish the city. According to the Bible, \"he set fire to the Temple of Yahweh, the royal palace and all the houses of Jerusalem\" (2 Kings 25:9). Everything worth plundering was then removed and taken to Babylon (2 Kings 25:13–17)."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\na word, look it up in the dictionary"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nhttps://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Apocrypha-Books/\nhttps://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible/"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">Is there archaeological evidence of King David?\nThe archaeological evidence for King David's existence is limited, and much of it is controversial. Perhaps the most important piece of evidence linked to King David is known as the Tel Dan stele, which is an ancient and broken inscribed stone discovered in 1993 and 1994.\n\n>Is there archeological evidence for Solomon?\nYet there's no archaeological evidence that Solomon the man ever existed at all. Despite living at a time where scribes were already likely writing the Bible, no inscriptions from across the greater region bear his name.\n\n>Is there archeological evidence of the Ark?\nNo Exodus. No Moses. Possible David. No Solomon. No temple."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>22\nOdin was real thoughever, he belonged to the hermetic tradition."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>59\nIf there was no evidence for a Jewish exodus, would your confidence in the Bible being the true word of God be reduced?"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>52\nshould be however there is not\n>>70\ncompletes the comic book"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>74\n>No Exodus. No Moses.\nwhat do you mean? ridley scott made a movie about it"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\n>Wotan\n>Greece"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">israeli jews dig up the whole sinai peninsula\n>they find zero evidence of the exodus"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>36\nIs the article in question wrong in regards to things like the iron in our bones?"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>12\n>as described in the Torah\ni can agree with this\n>So the ark of the covenant, built during the so-called Exodus, never existed.\nthe ark replica during second temple period is a fact and was witnessed by several people, it was copy of a previous thing that we can not surely confirm what was it and when it was built."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nAbyssinia"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>8\nThis /thread\nThe old Ark is no longer relevant but it is still located in Abyssinia."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>74\nZero physical evidence for\nRoman Emperor Silbannacus\nArchimedes\nGenghis Khan\nKing of Leonidas of Sparta\nThe battle of Stalingrad\nRoman Emperor Sponsianus\nZarathustra, Prophet of Ahura Mazda\nAttila the Hun\nThe Hephthalite Empire (it was just a bunch of Tocharian/Sogdian city states)\nDido, Founder and First Queen of Carthago"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>74\nZero physical evidence for\nRoman Emperor Silbannacus\nArchimedes\nGenghis Khan\nKing of Leonidas of Sparta\nThe battle of Stalingrad\nRoman Emperor Sponsianus\nZarathustra, Prophet of Ahura Mazda\nAttila the Hun\nThe Hephthalite Empire (it was just a bunch of Tocharian/Sogdian city states)\nDido, Founder and First Queen of Carthago"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>76\nNo."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>81\nYes."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>74\nI don't think it's that out of the question Solomon existed, we have evidence for some of the later kings like Ahab."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nschizo"}, {"id": 91, "content": "There's a photo that gets reposted on /pol/ and /x/ that supposedly is of the Ark. No idea if it's actually real or not, because of course it could be fake."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>24\nIn 1982. biblical archeologist and apostle Ron Wyatt discovered that the blood released by a Roman soldier's spear that pierced Jesus' side flowed through a fissure in the earth and became sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat of the hidden Ark of the Covenant secreted in a cave 40 feet below the cross hole where Jesus was crucified.\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Blood-Jesus-Ark-Covenant/dp/1413708315"}, {"id": 93, "content": "Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.\nAnd a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed in the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant\n\nIts a woman (Mary)"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nthe first ark of the covenant (mary) gave birth to the second ark of the covenant (jesus)"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>90\nCope"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>87\nWhy even bother talking about it at this point"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably melted down by Babilonians after the siege of Jerusalem."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>24\n>Ron Wyatt found it.\n>>36\n>They are tho.\n>>80\n>Yikes."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nWell, since Mary is the wooden Ark of G-D (the 1st ark) and Jesus is the golden Ark of G-D (the 2nd ark) then Revelation 1, 2, 3 dictated by G-D to /his/ Secretary John referencing First Temple relics makes sense; And the Revelation 4 dictated by G-D being /his/ said relics' (One being Jesus the 2nd ark) location."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\nThere's nothing that would reduce my confidence the bible is the word of God so I don't understand the question."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhere 51°10'45.5\"N, 1°49'31.1\"W right 51.179305, -1.825302 here"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTara Hill"}, {"id": 103, "content": "yea, the revelation has absolutely nothing to do about jesus.\nit's all about the solomon temple relics, each named therein."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni dont know"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Nobody who rejects Christ shall have entry to the Kingdom. Only through Him can anybody hope to find salvation. Catholics, Muslims, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are excluded from this. You have to follow Christ's teachings, not just worship His or His mother's image. Atheists, of course, will suffer the most once judgement has been passed. He mourns the loss of all of His children to the darkness, but the choices they make are theirs alone."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholics are the only Christians. Go worship money and the Republican party you trailer trash dysgenic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Catholics, Muslims, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are excluded from this.\nWhy? What's the logic here?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nWhy do you worship Mary? Why do you allow your priests to take the innocence of children?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThey are heretics and do not follow His plan for us. They pollute His message with blasphemous lies."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWhy do you hate the mother of Christ? Why do you try to reconcile the love of money and hatred of your fellow man with the faith?\n\nAnswer: because you're a Protes-taint"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nI do not hate her. I do not use her image to commit the sin of idolatry. Why is that so hard to understand?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nHis message being based on the Bible, right? The same Bible that the Council of Nicaea determined the canon of. The same Bible proliferated by the institution of the Catholic Church across the world...\n\nI'm not even a Christian but other Christians decrying Catholics will never not be funny to me"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nCope heretic"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLet me guess there wasn't real Christianity until 1500 + x."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nCatholicism was a corruption of Christ’s teachings, yeah. Not OP btw."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Atheists, of course, will suffer the most\nHeretical nonsense"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">Nobody who rejects Christ shall have entry to the Kingdom.\n\nThat's not what the Quran says"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do Jehovah's Witnesses reject Christ though ?\n\nHe is our Lord."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYou reject the Trinity."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nThe Trinity isn't Biblical canon"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Atheists, of course, will suffer the most once judgement has been passed.\nAh yes, pedophiles, rapists and murderers welcome to my kingdom as long as you don't reject me :) Atheists get the rope no matter their virtues though. Great fucking religion lmfao"}, {"id": 18, "content": "I desire to go to Hell and not to Heaven. In the former I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings and princes, while in the latter are only beggars, monks and apostles."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWhen did JW’s start caring about what is or isn’t in the Bible? Nowhere in the Bible does it say celebration of birthdays and holidays are forbidden but you guys are gung-ho about that."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>goes to hell expecting to converse with popes, kings, and philosophers\n>ends up boiling in a pot of shit with Ricky Gervais"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nJW’s claim a lot of things that aren’t in the Bible, just like the Pagan Catholics and their intercession of saints.\n\nBut at least there were smart, educated Catholics throughout history, JW’s tend to be toilet cleaners at JC Penny who put off getting an education waiting for an Armageddon that will never come.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nBoiling in shit is a neurotic kike fantasy from the Talmud, thanks for admitting that christcucks are good goyim who slurp up corpophiloc jewish ramblings"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nYou worship a fake Jesus that was made up by Charles Russel in the 19th century, besides your other problems. You can no more be saved by that fiction than by the Mexican convenience store clerk Jèsus\n>>2\nRome has a false gospel. Nobody will be saved while they are seeking to be justified by works, or when they think an abominable ritual of cracker-worship is a repetition of Christ's sacrifice which was once for all, and which actually removed the sins of those for whom it was made."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>18\nThis is what you'll enjoy in hell, chuddie. Also the company you'll enjoy will be trannies and faggots"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>17\nAtheism is a sin, and unrepentant sinners go to hell."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nCan't be worse than being a man under 6'0"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't approve of these AI generated Ricky Gervais in hell images but I still find them really funny, similar to how I hate Christopher Nolan's Batman movies but love Baneposting"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nYet you don't touch on the other sins even non christians consider as such. Interadesting"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nGod will touch on them at the last day, all sinners need Jesus to be saved, there is no salvation outside of Him"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nThey don’t dedicate their lives to shitting on Christ’s message, generally speaking."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>7\n>muh idolatry\nmuslim tier"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>23\n>Nobody will be saved while they are seeking to be justified by works\n\n>Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:\n\n>For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:\n\n>Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.\n\n>Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?\n\n>When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?\n\n>Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?\n\n>And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nYes."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\n>>30\nThis is probably why we have mass convict releases. dindu retards and free pass to paradise retards."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>hmm, I hate Jesus\n>therefore [thing I dislike] must be Jesus' fault!"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nNiggers are the race with the lowest IQ, the lowest demonstrated critical thinking ability, and the most likely to be Christian.\n\nCoincidence?\n\n>bix nood imma murk a mufugga den ask skyhomie to hook me up wit dat paradise game"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAccording to that statement, how do Muslims violate Christ's teachings? They neither worship him nor his mother. He is seen as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, prophet of the Lord."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nGod chooses fools to shame the wise"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>They neither worship him\nAnswered yourself"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>7\nI think there should be a point in the life of a protestant where he realises he has believed in literal bullshit proposed by schismatic idiots and he should snap out of all this nonsense.\nYou have been tricked into a false Church but past a certain threshold you become another dirty tricker."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\nLmao Catholics are so hilarious when they try to claim the intellectual high ground. You still believe in most of the same iron age superstitious bullshit as the snake handlers do."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably one of the best ricky posts. Yep, Jesus Christ is the Christ and the only way, the only truth, and the only life.\nAll are made to kneel and bow before the Lord, christians just already did willingly and that is the only way to go to heaven is by accepting the forgiveness of your sins from God's Son through the only name God gave to man is Jesus!"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust pray lmao\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>18\nLook bro, I won't try to stop you if you try to start posting your love for God and His Son after you make a post like this, but you'd have to stay dedicated and build that relationship with Jesus and never be wishy washy again. Aka I forgive you and God bless you but you are headed for hell."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>39\n>Answered yourself.\nWhere does Jesus say in the bible \"I am God worship me\"?\nJesus said to the rich young man. Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.\nMark 10:18"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nHello mr. Deedat. See John 9:37-39"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>18\n>being 12 years old on 4chan"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>5\n>Catholics are heretics\nKek"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n>See John 9:37-39.\nJesus was a messenger of God. God had created him especially for his mission.\n\nJeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>Jesus was a messenger of God. God had created him especially for his mission.\nIgnoring the fact you just completely fled from the previous topic to start preaching, Jesus was indeed the messenger of God who was sent into this world. Though He existed in the very form of God, He did not count equality with God something to hold at all costs, but took on the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that to the name of Jesus every knee should bend and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>hough He existed in the very form of God, He did not count equality with God.\nBlatant contradiction.\nYou cannot be fully human and fully God, meanwhile also pray to God at the same time.\nWhy did Jesus say \"Oh Lord why have you Forsaken me\" when he was supposedly crucified?\nIf Jesus was God why did he get irrationally angry at a fig tree?\n\"Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again…” Mark 11:12-14\n\n\nIn John 20:17, Disputes Trinity: \"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.\""}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>4\nhttps://www.newsweek.com/full-list-texas-pastors-charged-abusing-children-1765910?amp=1"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'd rather not enter that shitty kingdom anyways. I renounce Christ and their dishonorable god"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>unknown\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5t4p2RcaNY [Embed]"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\n>You cannot be fully human and fully God, meanwhile also pray to God at the same time.\nSo, do you make the rules? If so, then know that God made the rules specifically to break them.\n\n>fig tree\nThis is a physical metaphor for the Judaic leadership. They bore no fruit."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>2\n>Go worship money\nThe Catholic Church is one of the richest entities on the planet."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>salvation\nFrom what?\n\n>Atheists, of course, will suffer the most\nFrom whose action?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.\n\nHere is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]\n\nIt emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:\n\nhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist\n\n>\"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, \"An afterlife definitely exists\".\"\n\nSince NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.\n\nOr as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:\n\n>\"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved.\"\n\nNeedless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>18\nNice Chinese replica, Nguyen"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">Lmao Catholics are so hilarious when they try to claim the intellectual high ground. You still believe in most of the same iron age superstitious bullshit as the snake handlers do."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>57\n>From whose action?\nTheir own, obviously."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Britain's Prime Minister and King are both pagans\nWhat are the implications of this? Is England a pagan country again?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Lion represents England and unicorn is Scotland, I think?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy law according to Parliament, the King has to be Protestant whether he likes it or not."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's a symbol of Spring... because the coronation is now in Spring.\nNot to say Charles isn't sketchy. He is for a lot of other reasons. But this is silly."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nhe's positioning himself to be the head of all British faiths, which makes sense given anglican church attendance is non-existent and the power sharing agreement requires the church to actually have power"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n\"Protestant\" in Anglicanism doesn't mean a whole lot. You could get to the very edge of Anglo-Catholic, and still be Anglican. Or the lowest of the low Churchmen evangelicals, and still be Anglican."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nby law by shmore,\n\nwhats the mechanism for enforcement? is the law actually written down and is there an actual legal context for its use? or is it just some archaic common law tome that was used one time during the glorious revolution and never again?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHe still has his role in respect to the Church of Scotland, the Presbyterian one."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThey were willing to shift the entire family line towards the German end just to avoid Catholic heirs taking the throne. Must be something written down."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>is the law actually written down\nYes, get your head out of your asshole, republican retard.\n\nLaws don't expire just because they're old and you don't like them."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nyeah when the country was actually fucking religious a hundred years ago\n\n>>10\nallow me to introduce the wonderful world of english common law, not sure why you think im a republican though"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Green Man is merely a medieval church decoration. It did not come from any pagan cult."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>King Charles\n>Pagan\nWrong."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>yeah when the country was actually fucking religious a hundred years ago\nI understand. I guess they're just slow to change.\nInterestingly, Prince Phillip's mom became an Orthodox nun later in life (or some kind of cloistered role). They had ties to even Greece at one point, and this rubbed off on some in their circles."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nThe law says the monarch must me Protestant.\nCry in the corner and dial 8.\n\nThe Act of Settlement of 1701, The Coronation Oath Act of 1688"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>it contains the magic tree parts\n>not pagan"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Christianity is pagan!\nwhat a cope"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nRelics are biblical. If you don't like it, that's your problem, but it isn't pagan.\n>Elijah's mantle\n>And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.-Acts 19:11-12"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nCope with what you braindamaged larper?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>15\nwho was the first person to take the coronation oath in 1688 and why hahah kek, i knew it! it was because of the glorious revolution, when we had a catholic monarch and the british parliament revolted and replaced him with the dutch william of orange, exactly what i said, some archaic law from a bygone time"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nIt's not archaic and bygone.\nElizabeth II took it, as will Charles III.\n\nSneed!"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\ncope with reality\nyou literally called cross pagan just to prove that there is a pagan monarch\ni am sorry that we have to bring you to reality"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\n>historylets enters /his/"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\nman youre really grinding my gears, im gonna outshoot you so hard on longbow practice on sunday after church, then we'll see who's laughing"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nYour arrow will not pierce the Book of Common Prayer."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>4\n>>unknown\n>>12\nIt's also on St. George's Orthodox feast day in the Julian Calendar, who is associated with the Green Man (who is really just Al-Khidr or Enoch or Hermes/Thoth symbolised).\n\nKing Charles should have disdain for the Anglican church yet its his duty. He is a Traditionalist, there is no way in Hell he actually believes in Anglicanism. He has written in all sorts of perennialist religious journals/publications such as World Wisdom. At best he is Orthodox like his grandmother or he is part of some 'masonic' 'mystery school'."}, {"id": 27, "content": "Regular reminder that the \"Green Man\" is found in churches and Christian imagery going back about 1000 years and it was only in the 1930s did some random hack claim they represented super secret pagans hiding symbols out in the open."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nI left a question mark at the end. You don't have to be a cunt about it. Educate me, if you want."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nIt's always some schizo redneck. They did that with the \"New King James Bible\" because it's logo was originally a Triquetra (picrel). It was taken from the Book of Kells and often used in medieval Celtic stonework as well. But since it had some pagan use before that, they lost their minds."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>16\ncope protestard"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's hilarious these conservative chaps still think the sovereign is anything other than an inbred retard with a fetish for sand niggers."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit has been since henri viii"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>3\nBy Divine Right of Monarchy Anglo-Saxon Kings Descend from Woden and are sanctified by Ingui-Frea"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Probably we first need to define it or maybe it's impossible to know as of now but then perhaps the closest to it from our understanding. Maybe if we understand things through philosophy then we should do it as much as possible and for now this is best action we can undertake until we find out the truth?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen it clicks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhat?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Bump..."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Bump!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Wouldn’t it make more sense to just divide these countries territory 50-50 instead of giving them de jure independence ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou forgot Czechia"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Countries being annexed infuriates the anglo-american world and triggers an irrational fear of the ghost of hitler"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood luck annexing Afghanistan lol"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits mean"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNeed somewhere to fight proxy wars"}, {"id": 7, "content": "most of them were territories only valuable insofar as they were important to great game politics between nations. Without any noteworthy resources to exploit it was easier to create buffer states that would serve the same purpose without requiring direct administration and any headaches that would entail."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Afghanistan fought several wars for their independence and kept it by winning.\n\nFinland was never independent historically. Not a buffer state.\n\nMongolia was part of the Qing and Russia for the last 300 years. Not a buffer state."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">\"Israel settled in Shitim, and the people began to commit harlotry with the daughters of Moav. [The women] called the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. Israel attached itself to Baal Peor, and the wrath of Hashem flared against Israel.\" (Bamidbar 25:3)\n\n>It is safe to say that the most disgusting form of avodah zarah (idolatry) mentioned in Tanach is the worship of Baal Peor. The character of this mode of worship is alluded to in the name of the deity itself. \"Peor\" (פ.ע.ר.) means \"to open,\" and denotes \"the opening of an orifice\" - in this case, the rectum, as we shall soon see. Thus, \"Baal Peor\" means \"Master of the Rectum Opening.\" The method of Baal Peor's worship is codified by Torah she'baal Peh (the Oral Torah) in Sanhedrin 7:6:\n\n>\"One who defecates on Baal Peor is liable, for this is how it is customarily worshiped.\"\n\n>The Gemara (Sanhedrin 64a) provides a rather vivid description of how this worship was implemented in practice:\n\n>\"Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: There was an incident involving a gentile woman who was very sick. She said, \"If I am healed, I will go and worship all of the avodah zarah in the world.\" She was healed, and went to worship all of the avodah zarah in the world. But when she came to the avodah zarah of Peor, she asked [one of] the priests, \"How do you worship this one?\" He said, \"You eat and drink laxatives and defecate in its face.\" She said, \"I would rather be sick again than to worship avodah zarah like this!\".\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">The Gemara then reports that the highest level of Baal Peor worship was, sadly, demonstrated by a Jew:\n\n>\"But the Jews were not that way... There was an incident involving Savta ben Elas who rented out his donkey to a gentile woman. When they reached Peor she said to him, \"Wait here until I go in, [worship], and come out.\" After she came out he said to her, \"You, too, wait for me until I go in, [worship], and come out.\" She asked him, \"But aren't you a Jew?\" He responded, \"That's none of your business.\" He went in, defecated in its face, and wiped himself on its nose, causing the priests to praise him saying, \"We've never seen anyone worship like this before!\".\"\n\n>Those who learn these facts about Baal Peor for the first time are likely to react by falling to their knees, gazing heavenward with outspread palms, and exclaiming, \"WHYYYY????\"\n\n>As \"civilized Westerners\" with \"modern sensibilities\" it is difficult enough to relate to the standard modes of avodah zarah, such as bowing down to a statue or offering incense and libations - but at least we can understand the appeal in such rituals. Baal Peor, on the other hand, runs contrary to all of our common-sense assumptions about religion, both modern and primitive. To my knowledge, human feces is regarded as repulsive across all cultures and time periods. The notion of a religion built around bowel movements strikes us as absurd"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">The question is: What was the appeal of Baal Peor? [1] How could dung be elevated to the level of devotion? How could people regard excrement as sacrament? How could poo prove piety? ... okay, that's enough scat-talk for now\n\n>Today I came across an explanation given by Rav Hirsch [2] which opened up [3] an entirely new world of insight for me. He writes:\n\n>\"There were various baalim, deified powers. There was Baal Tzefon, a midnight god of the desert (Shemos 14:2). In contrast, there was Baal Maon (Bamidbar 32:38), a god of dwelling places, and Baal Bris (Shoftim 8:33), a god of the union of people. There was also Baal Zevuv (Melachim II 1:2), apparently a god of decay to whom they would turn in times of illness and inquire of him about life and death.\"\n\n>\"And there was also Baal Peor, a god of shamelessness, who was worshiped by giving brazen prominence to the most bestial aspects of human life. Hence, Hoshea says: \"They came to Baal Peor and dedicated (va'yinazru - from the same root as \"nazir\") themselves to shamefulness\" (Hoshea 9:10) - [that is to say, they] sanctified/designated themselves for shamefulness.\"\n\n>The cult of Peor is an illustration of the type of Darwinism that glories in man's descent to the level of the beast, where, stripping himself of his Divinely-given nobility, he comes to regard himself as merely a highly-developed animal"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nWhat are the historical reasons for this?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nAin’t nothing wrong with paying for the gods blessing to have a nice, healthy, poop. Especially at a time when diarrhea could kill you. Even today, pagans like the Easy Asians And Indians still worship poop gods and toilet gods, etc. it’s not as disgusting and people try to make it seem."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI was reading a doujin about it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nProceed"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Imagine the smell..."}, {"id": 9, "content": "End.\n\nSource: https://nhentai.to/g/322613"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\n90s megaten mentioned\n>90s megaten mentioned\n90s megaten mentioned\n>90s megaten mentioned\n90s megaten mentioned\n>90s megaten mentioned\n90s megaten mentioned\n>90s megaten mentioned\n90s megaten mentioned\n>90s megaten mentioned"}, {"id": 11, "content": "God punish the Japanese."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSneed, Cope, Seethe and Dilate."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\n>ScatLite™\n>>unknown\n>NTR\n>>11\nSeconded"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nSekai is her platonic love, Cuckfag."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsomething something germans!\n\n*checks thread to see if someone else beat me to it*"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Based."}, {"id": 17, "content": "This thread"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnti-semite."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nat this point i'm curious how long it stays up."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do atheists think Jesus really was?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "in the story hes a rabbi. in reality he didn't exist."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>atheists\n>think\n\nplease rephrase"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHellenised jewish mystic. He hated gentiles."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey bounce between total myth and apocalyptic Jewish sectarian."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA 4'6 Jewish rabbi that was crucified for being a weirdo"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Some cult leader. I remember reading somewhere that the region was absolutely rife with cults and wannabe saviors of mankind at that time"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNot really much different from today."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ITT people who literally and unironically got TOO COCKY"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbump"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Mohács was a mistake."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s funny you post that thumbnail because in the video he explains how Crassus actions weren’t as foolish as it’s commonly believed"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNapoleonbros...we were on the verge of greatness, we were this close ((shows fingers)) to bringing peace and security for Europe."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShould have left Vietnam alone"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nSo, what, the Parthians were just geniuses? No Roman could ever be a gigantic retard, those horse guys were just all Alexander-tier generals and each one of them could smite Jupiter himself with his bow and arrows."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMedshits couldn't compete with Aryan Parthians."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe Parthians were pretty good on that occasion and Crassus happened to be a mediocre general but certainly not a massive retard you should watch the thing"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk Amin"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n*Idi"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Crassus happened to be a mediocre general but certainly not a massive retard you should watch the thing\nDude saved Sulla's life and won Sulla that cvil war"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTHEY'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF ARROWS!!!!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is he the most based historian out there today?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I find his picking on Ukraine lately to be pretty distasteful but otherwise he's very well spoken and makes many excellent points, especially when it comes to examining the absurdities plaguing modern western societies."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like his phlegmy old man coughs."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe inspiration for this meme came from a comment left under one of his videos"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHello again!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCoping white dinosaur that will be replaced by his pakistani and polish superiors"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>pakistani\n>superiors\nlmao"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\ncope"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlmost too based"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\npakistanis are certainly superior to all others at fucking their own cousins/nieces and shitting out spasticated abominations."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGive me a rundown on this character. Whats his best videos?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>blacks are le bad!"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQuite cringe and dumb to be honest. And he looks like Waluigi."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nI like his videos defending Churchill's legacy."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood but somewhat dim."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nHe doesn't say that though. He's obviously fed up with the reluctance of society to be honest about the differences between blacks and other people and some of the problems that they have/cause.\nIf you watch enough of his videos it seems like he has plenty of years of experience of interactions with black people so he's probably not just ignorantly talking shit."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Post your favourite female warrior from history"}, {"id": 2, "content": "> in b4 spy\nintelligence gathering is war"}, {"id": 3, "content": "not letting this die for a religious/haploshitter thread"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nyou only like her because she was hot. pic rel is probably the best female spy (that we know of)."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nIf you're going to post a spy, at least post a female spy who was also a fighter."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nthat looks like a tranny"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Lyudmila Pavlichenko\n>Soviet sniper with 309 kills\nAn actual badass and not just someone overhyped from having a vagina."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nWould."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nAlso would."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nthat looks like an inexplicably average German women. you terminally online freaks would be surprised to know what a lot of women really looked like before cosmetics became a common commodity."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nwew"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nGerman women look like trannies."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What does /his/ think of reconstruction of previously lost sites and objects for the better upstanding of it.\nPic related is from a group of train autists rebuilding a train from the 1930s in order to show it off to future generations"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I approve. I particularly like the post-war work done on Auschwitz."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll the money that went into that retarded abomination could have been used to improve roads, but instead commie subhumans wasted it on a vanity project which supports no one but subhumans and niggers"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think it depends on the object being reconstructed and which time period is chosen for the reconstruction.\nA good example is the newly reconstruced Berlin Palace, which current eastern facade has been built in a bare modern style, over the historically accurate baroque style. The whole story of the eastern side is really interesting as the existing eastern side was not renovated in the classicist manner one would associate with the Hohenzollern palace; thus it remained laregly unchanged even into the 20th century.\nHere the the question stands why the eastern side was not reconstructed in the original manner, as it would be a stark contrast to the classical \"prussian\" image of the palace."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>you have to spend your money according to my will\nOk pinko"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Here a model of the eastern side"}, {"id": 7, "content": "And here a photography."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nT1s are cringe\n\nBuild a new New York Central Hudson goddamnit."}, {"id": 9, "content": "The problem with reconstructing sites is that you can end up destroying or \"tainting\" part of the original construction that's useful for archeological research:\n\nThe moment you dig into something or deconstruct it, you lose the context of how it was built and what was positioned where relative to other things, so unless you're documenting it as you go you're losing information. And researchers are hesitant to take the plunge if it's not going to leave a lot of the site untouched because they don't want to disturb everything now in the present when in 10 or 50 or 100 years we may have additional technologies or methods that could get more useful observations out of doing it.\n\nThat's why, say, it was a lot more common for sites to see signifcant reconstructive work done on them in Mesoamerica in the early 20th century then it is now: People weren't as concerned with provenance and methodology then as they are now, and sure enough some structures like the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan or the Great Pyramid of Cholula or the Temple of Kukulkan at Chichen itza have some speculatory or outright wrong elements to their reconstruction as a result.\n\nI do think it's annoying and frustrating that such reconstructions went as far as they did but still don't have paint and show the bare masonry or structural fill. If the exterior is already a lost cause as far as dating and archeological context they may as well go the extra mile and cover it in stucco and paint to show how they would have looked fully painted in their heyday.\n\nI also think it would be cool if, assuming it doesn't cause humidity issues, you could build a protective \"shell\" around structures which is in the shape of how it originally looked and is fully painted. Like after the roof collapsed over the House of the Eagles and the Templo Mayor in Mexico City it'd be neat if it was a life sized, pyramid shaped roof that was fully painted. That or using VR headsets, etc."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\nYou can always rebuild it, but not at the original site."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>8\nIt fascinates me how there are at least 2 train autists on this board and they both hate each other because they simp for 2 railroads that no longer exist and hated each other"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\nI don't hate OP or the PRR, I just hate T1s. I like K4s, GG1s, and even the early Metroliners strangely enough, but the T1s were butt-ugly and they simply weren't very good engines,."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nYeah, but for truly monumental structures that's not realistic\n\nThey did that for the Rosalila temple at Copan, see pic, but I'm not a fan of the replica because the paint finish they used looiks sort of ugly and isn't accurate, the paint used on the actual structure had reflective flakes mixed in so it would have been glittery and metallic"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWhat are your thoughts on the S1"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If you have no food or money, why cant you steal?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I'm not stealing, I'm sharing, sharing other people's stuff with me"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a sin"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause God provides. If you aren't relying on God you go to hell, accept Jesus today before it is too late."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nSharing is good, some reason modern society hates sharing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's less than perfect."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Man does not live by bread alone, but every word that comes from the mouth of God.\n\nThis man has the means to fill his hunger, yet has done nothing to earn his own bread. Why would he be trusted with spiritual matters if he can't be trusted with doing what the animals are capable of doing?\n\nYou will know a tree by its fruit. Many people convince themselves that they have discovered the truth, yet inwardly they are ravenous wolves. They will act out of fear of death, thinly disguised as some other reason or motivation. Survival for it's own sake has no love.\n\nIf he dies without bitterness in his heart, because his only choices were thievery or starvation, then this will be a righteous man who performed no unkind act and will sit at the master's table."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>what are alms"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the greater virtue would be to sacrifice yourself. If you're willing to do act x under the justification of survival - then you're no good."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt's a conscious act. Every conscious act is one that flies in the face of how one feels - or is lead to behave in this world.\n\nBecause that's what sacrifice is."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBelieve me - I get the irony.\nWasting time here on 4-chan."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n8th commandment. God HIMSELF told you not to steal, your retarded excuse isn't enough. Go dig up some worms or something and eat them instead."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou can. Theft is actually not a sin."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProverbs 6:30-31\n>Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry\n>But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nif you legaiize it people will stretch their definition of need. also if you just help yourself you just push for selfihness in 2 ways:\n>not worrying about the needs of others\n>never asking for help\nit kills the fabric of society by economic and social death. no incentive to improve your life either.\npeople usually don't starve in rich countries because associations/fundations/churches distribute food and the homeless are also subject to financial help from the state in many places.\nif you're poor in a poor country and really are literally starving then why not, exceptionally. but asking for help usually is more productive."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "where he claims ancient Ethiopians were \"the whitest white people as white as modern Swedes\" or something to that effect."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot history.\nNot humanities.\nGo back."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDinarized hallstat pheno"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSspehr is a dirty kike"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>1 (OP)\nWho is that"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>A Jew who spouts White supremacist talking points\nWHAT'S GOING ON?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey have a lot of advanced psyops that involve the utilization of nonlinear models. I've been saying this shit for ages. It's worse now with data mining capabilities."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhat would be the aim of this specific psyop?Whites who lean right are the most likely to be Jew wary and are also the ones most likely to already hold the racialist views Sepehr espouses on history, so what is the profit?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nCheck out Christopher Jon Bjerknes.\nJews don't care about anything but consolidating their wealth and fulfilling Messianic prophecies. At least 1/4th of the top rank NS were Jews themselves. They play with both extremes to fulfill Messianic prophecies and more.\nSome of the biggest promoters of antisemitism and Nordicism have likewise been Jews.\nThey are the architects of both the left and right."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBjerknes is borderline nuts. What is it you think Robert is trying to accomplish if you think he is controlled op?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGotchu, senpai."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThanks."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nJews invented transgenderism yet the anti trans movement is led by jews like Ben Shapiro and Chaya Raychik.\n>WHAT'S GOING ON?\nThey want to control everything so they control discourse and your own thinking. Dr. Pierce once noted that even though 90% of the anti gun lobby figures are jewish, they also founded some astroturfed pro gun organization and made sure it had \"jews\" in their name. Needless to say, they're all bad. They will slowly introduce kikery into the discourse while pretending to be the \"good guys\", look at jews like Bronze Age Pervert who keep promoting homosexuality and Trump while pretending to be Aryan fascists, or kikes like Moldbug who come out against \"equality\" and \"communism\" and then want us to adopt some judaic theocracy ruled by kikes and faggots. They will also get boosted by the establishment media while pretending they're enemies.\nOnce you notice it it's impossible to stop noticing."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\n>>7\nEven aside form that, he is kind of a gate keeper and keeps people going round and round instead of letting them progress into the esoteric on their own."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNah I am bodhi mantra and have been researching this stuff for 20 years and also have a minor in anthropology myself and most of his stuff is right on the money and the stuff that I disagree with is negligible and insignificant really. There is no angle here, at last not one he has revealed. You can't just say \"reeeeee jew so controlled op!\" It doesn't work like that bruh"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYou're a kike yourself"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nI didn't say \"reeeeee jew so controlled op!\". I said he is a gatekeeper."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nHAHAHAHA, exactly what I expected from a mouth breather like you. btw his dad was jewish. not his mother which means he isnt jewish bv their own rules so w/e. You are for an absolute certainty a stone cold retard however"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>A wild Jew appears."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\ngatekeeping what?\n\n\n>>19\ntake your meds and take a nappy, adults are talking right now"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>11\n>Kush was as white as Sweden.\nMust be why the ancient Ethiopians were consistently described and depicted as being the blackest set of people on the planet and why the etymology of the words 'Kush\" and \"Ethiopia\" relate to black or very dark skin."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nHe repeats the same thing over and over again. I haven't seen him progress or give pointers beyond basic stuff. This hooks people into stuff that is true, but only in a limited value."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\n>It used deflect"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>11\nKek. People like this guy, or ironically people like Afrocentrism’s, just make their people look inferior by virtue of either being consistently conquered or easily replaced."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>18\nFuck off Robert"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>He repeats the same thing over and over again\nThere is only so much you can really tell people about how history and academia is pozzed, especially on jewtube. He gives sources, what else do you expect him to do call for a NatSoc revolution?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nI don't expect a NatSoc revolution. I also don't expected people being hooked on the mere tip of truth to be a good thing either."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>tip\nSo what exactly do you think the base is and what do you expect this dude to do about it kek"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nIf robert is just the tip name a source that takes a \"deep dive\" kek. He goes as close tot he edge as you possibly can on jewtube imo. I am open to hear your logic on this however, but you dont seem to be coming to logical conclusions"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI haven't gotten to the base, but I have moved on from the shore/tip. I don't expect him to do this for a living. This is borederline Alexander of Abonoteichus tier behavior."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nLooking for a \"source that takes a \"deep dive\"\" is a problem. Wanting to be spoonfed, and getting addicted to baby's first redpill isn't going to take the addict anywhere. His loyal viewers stick year after year, listening to the same thing without moving on."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>>30\nyou are not a reasonable person, these are not reasonable comments. you seem to think some dude making anthropology videos is supposed to be the messiah of ..... idk what."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>you seem to think some dude making anthropology videos is supposed to be the messiah of ..... idk what.\nNo, that is projection. I don't expect a messiah. I expect temporary teachers who don't keep their students for years on end. It ends up like a stagnant cult. His own cultists treat him as someone next to a messiah. Your lack of seeing reason in finding the truth for itself instead of regurgitating the same thing over and over is due to your own attachment."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>that is projection\nROFL, how the fuck could this possibly be projection? Do you understand what projection is? You are a legit retard. You could said that from jump and saved me the time of engaging with you"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nYou see a non-existent requirement of someone needing to be a messiah in my post. It is obviously not there, yet you are compelled to say it. You have been following him for so long that you have subconsciously begun to see him as your savior figure, and validate what little he says with what you have learned. Spending so much time about so little in favor of someone is next to seeing him as a messiah. Now you obviously do not like such a notion, so you cast it aside, hate it, and project it onto someone else who doesn't see the notion as necessary/ doesn't have a positive or negative view of it. That is your attachment."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>You see a non-existent requirement of someone needing to be a messiah in my post\nThis has nothing to do with what projection means .....\n\nLast (YOU)"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nYour ego denies things about yourself that it doesn't like and attributes them to me. I never said anything about a messiah or a perfect leader, and yet you saw this non-existent thing in what I said. You are too unstable to hold a proper conversation with."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>13\nSo you're basically saying we never stood a chance."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\n>goes into full blown psychotic fan fics about people he knows nothing about\nTake your meds psycho"}, {"id": 40, "content": "No one would care about Robert Sepehr if he came out with darker phenotypes."}, {"id": 41, "content": "whites are literally the only race who have demonstrated the ability to build and maintain complex, multi-story structures.\n\nancient egypt, ancient china, the aztecs, etc... all were built by whites. can someone explain why those ancient civilizations collapsed? can someone explain why browns werent able to top their ancient strucutres?. you'd think that if the natives actually built those things, they'd be able to maintain them and build more, right?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nYou need meds more than me. I have been thoroughly evaluated and there is no psychological irregularity/mental illness with me."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nNone of those civilizations were created by whites but they were eventually overrun by them once their greatness waned. That's where the collapse happened. Whites only legacy is that of inheriting and then whitewashing. I owe you nothing. Now fuck off."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nWhat is your race?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Name one bad thing Satan ever did in the Bible except expose God for the insecure, malevolent scumbag that he is."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSatan isn't God's rival. God has no rivals. Duh. He's God.\nSatan is YOUR rival. The only thing cares about is proving God shouldn't have made (You). God's the only who has your back, and yet you're seething."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGod shouldn't have made hominid creatures with barbarous primal instincts that can't be overcome, I agree with Satan. God must be a fucking moron."}, {"id": 4, "content": "The worst thing Satan did was try and pick a losing fight with God. He and his ilk and all those he leads astray will burn in the lake of fire."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWill all the Neanderthals and Australopithecus also burn?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>pick a losing fight with God.\nIf God is all powerful why doesn't God just snap his fingers and Satan would vanish?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nWhat hominin is that?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHe will in 2 more weeks (millennia) and throw him in the pit, then let him back out after 1 more millennia to do it all over again, according to Revelation."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nSource of this reconstruction?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>ADAM!\n>EVE!\n>COME OUT FROM BEHIND THOSE TREES!\n>I KNOW YOU'RE THERE. I CAN SMELL YOUR FEAR!"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nAustralopithecus was chimp-tier intellectually, possibly even dumber."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nThere are still people repenting and finding God. A day and a thousand years and all that.\n\n>>10\n>I can smell you\nhttps://youtu.be/FDQx-guzx2s [Embed]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nDo you have more archaic reconstructions?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nWhy should they? Did they consciously choose for themselves to be their own arbiters of mercy or justice? Or did they only act by animal instinct?\n\nBut the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.\n\n>>6\nObviously God could defeat Satan through power alone. Just as he could force you to obey him. But God is love. God created everything and everyone out of love. God's will is to reconcile people to Himself. He wishes to be their kind and loving father. Wouldn't be very convincing if you didn't have free will, would it?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>God is Love\n\n1 John 4:8\nThe one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.\n\n\n>What is Love?\n\n1 Corinthians 13:4-7\nLove is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. It does not act disgracefully, it does not seek its own benefit; it is not provoked, does not keep an account of a wrong suffered, it does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; it keeps every confidence, it believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.\n\n\n>God is Not Love\n\n>Love is kind\nPsalm 137:9 How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your infants against the cliff.\n\n>Love is not jealous\nExodus 20:5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God\n\n>Love does not brag\nIsaiah 44:7 ‘I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me. Who is like Me? Let him call out and declare it.\n\n>Love does not seek its own benefit\nIsaiah 43:7 Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.”\n\n>Love is not provoked\nDeuteronomy 9:7 Remember, do not forget how you provoked Yahweh your God to wrath in the wilderness\n\n>Love does not keep an account of wrong suffered\nRevelation 20:12 And the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.\n\n>Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness\nIsaiah 45:7 I form light and I create darkness; I make peace and I create evil; I am Yahweh; I do all these things."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Wouldn't be very convincing if you didn't have free will, would it?\nLove is not coercion though. Love me or I will punish you for all eternity - Is something a psycho would say. Being forced to love someone is fucked up"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>nooo you can't just flood the earth and heckin kill my entire familyarinooo"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI thought you Christians believed in \"objective moral values\".\nSo murder is bad, but okay if the big boss in the sky does it?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nYou don't seem to understand just how serious are God's laws and commandments. You'll complain about injustice in the world, yet you won't stop sinning. You'll complain about injustice in the world, yet you complain about judgement against the wicked.\n\nDo you know the state of the world before the flood?\n>5. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.\n>6. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.\n\nAnd in Sodom, there weren't even 10 righteous and all of the city, both old and young, from every quarter, came out to gang rape the angels of God. Let me guess, you think God destroying Sodom is \"murder\" rather than justice too?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nGod's fault, shouldn't have made Adam with a propensity towards eating forbidden fruit."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nThe original sin isn't evil or unwanted, it's just the introduction of imperfection that allows adversity and the things you now tend to complain about like cancer."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou mean Good?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>16\nNo one forces you to do anything. If you live your life as a sinner and reject mercy, you will earn justice. Don't say you've never sinned - that would be a lie.\n\nWe have no points of pride. We have no things to love for their own sake. We are only stewards. We are called to leave them in better condition than they were given to us. I was a baby, a teenager, now a man. By God's will, I may become elderly. Who am I? What is my personality? What skills and attributes should I celebrate? The answer is none. I am a chess piece who has been moved by the chessmaster. There is no glory in the chesspiece who fills his role according to the rules. The glory belongs to the master who has achieved victory.\n\n>>18\nWho are my enemies? No one. Who is OK to harbor bitterness against? No one. When should justice and revenge be sought? Never. If I were to do these things, it would be exactly the same as a criminal who condemns criminals, which is dull hypocrisy. God will have mercy on who he will have mercy.\n\nIt is not my place to provide mercy or justice. These things don't belong to me. But I know that God will give mercy freely and perform justice where required.\n\n>>15\nDo you think God has someone to be jealous of? Is there someone else who can claim the glory? Do you believe that you can stack up enough merit to pull a fast one on God and achieve paradise without Him? Do you believe that people who choose judgement won't be judged? God has told you these things for your benefit, not His. God has no particular need for you."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPlunged scores of angels and the entire human race into wars, lies, sin, and death, followed by an eternity in the fires of Hell."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nJust EAT IT (eat it), EAT IT (eat it)\nOpen up your mouth and feed it!\n\nThat religion is so fucking dumb. For people with the minds of children."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>3\nYou sound like the kind of guy on the precipice of Luciferianism."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>3\n>can't be overcome\nlol"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngod was a pretty cool guy for creating this to BTFO christcucks eternally\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>good bad\n>bad good"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nOnly exist dependent on a goal. If you want to go forward then going backwards is bad. The implicit goal is always survival and reproduction which cancer is bad for."}, {"id": 31, "content": "God is a good God. God is beyond any label because God is just God. Satan is the reason for all of your problems. In the Bible, he makes the woman rebel which means the downfall for the man. All things work for my good so that means Satan also but spiritual babies cannot receive this."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIt is inescapably true that God made evil since he made all things. Therefore God is the root of all evil. Given that Satan is the moral inverse of God, that would mean that he is a source of good."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Stop hating white people\nWe created civilization"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Stop hating white people\nRacism is a good thing. Go back to r.ddit.\n>We created civilization\nPretty sure agriculture and animal husbandry weren't invented by Whites.\n\nDon't bother replying. Your only response will be something like, \"you're wrong because I hate nonwhites\"."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Your jew masters will ruin my life if I dont hate you"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're green though"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nYou're wrong because i improved your agriculture."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKek"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnigger kike"}, {"id": 8, "content": "I AM A WHITE MAN, HATE ME MORE, I HAVEN'T SEEN PEACE FOR 4000 YEARS, HATE ME MORE GIVE ME ANOTHER WAR"}, {"id": 9, "content": "I mean it's kinda true though."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe only thing that would save the white race from extinction is for most (or all) white women to have at least 2 white kids while young, but because they're white women, that is never going to happen.\nEnjoy your decline."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nEnjoy the death of humanity and progress"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou deserve more than just hate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhat did you invent chang?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nkek You white people consider cut off genitals and easier ways kys and your prosperity as progress.\nIf we're supposed to miss whites, you're making it difficult for the rest of us."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYou're terminally online, plus I don't really understand your broken English."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBut we didn't really. Look up Uruk and go from there. Civilisation was born out of plenty. There came a time when there was enough food, resources and defensive capabilities and as a result it gave people time for religious and social pursuits hence the first cities were born. This happened in the middle east and Mesopotamia"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nonly europeans matter"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>being so angry you can't even speak english properly\nA bunch of subhumans your kind is, a bunch of subhumans you will stay.\n>muh trannies\nyou have far more trannies than us lol"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>unknown\n>>13\nwe don't have short term memory, you're going to pay"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nThen you died of miscegenation?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nEurope adopted the idea of cities and civilisation from the Phonecians and cities such as Byblos, and Tyre were founded and then the Greeks went from there. Athens was the first megalopolis of Europe. Even Rome was a purpose built city based on the idea of Babylon and other metropolis type cities like Athens."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>15\n>>18\nNothing you say matters because no one likes you white people. One could say 'only god could save you now', but it doesn't seem he's interested either, just like your white women."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nI did not but nearly every successful \"mega city\" in history has had a migrant population of 30% or more. These cities grew on trade and exchanges of ideas and technologies from all over the world. Great port cities like Byblos and cities on major trade routes were the ones that grew and became great civilisations because of this"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>the idea of cities\nlmao"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCivilization was made in the Levant and Egypt and by brown and black men carrying haplogroup E1b."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nSo you're basically a liar because a lot of people likes me and my race, that's why they want to live near me."}, {"id": 27, "content": "Not even Japan and China are civillized."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\ncitation is needed"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nWE"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>26\nNah, they want to replace you. You're just in the way."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>23\nHe's lying, Tokyo/Edo was the biggest city in the world for a century or two and it didn't have a single foreigner in it."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nARE KINGZ"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nI'm not talking about settled states, I didn't phrase it correctly but I mean the origin of civilisation and the first cities and how they became what they were.\n\nIt's all relative as well. Athens had a huge range of \"migrants\" coming to trade and such but migrants in this context is those from other Greek city states and perhaps slightly further afield.\n\nI don't mean ethnicity here."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>26\n>a lot of people likes me and my race, that's why they want to live near me.\nNot your women though and if they do, it's not enough to save you."}, {"id": 35, "content": "Tell me why we shouldn't exterminate non whites?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\nthey run away from their own societies and genetics, that's why they racemix so much and even offered their women to the white men the first time we came down there, i think you love me more than how much you pretend to hate me"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nBecause that won't help your replacement rates.\nJapan has the same issue with few non-japanese people."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nMy women? They lust for someone that is not an eternal generational loser."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\nWhite women would commit suicide without the BBC.\n\nNo BBC = No White women = No White people"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite people are just in the way."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\n>eternal generational losers\nLike white men apparently"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n>no hstory or any personal quality to be proud of\n>start talking about penises and bragging about being a bioweapon against any intelligent civilization on earth\npottery"}, {"id": 43, "content": "What are you contributions africans, americans, and asians?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nNo, like negroids not doing anything meaningful except being slaves for hundreds of years and still live in misery even when they start winning, not experiencing strong industrial development despint population growth and fucking like rabbits.\n\nA race so cursed by god himself he doesn't even exterminate them to end their misery."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>27\nfar lower crime rates than the west, that's including white numbers"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nAnd your inventions?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nYes, and there's our inventions to consider as well"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nAre you a distant brother?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\n5000 years of history"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>25\n>Egypt\nHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>25\n>Levant\nAHAHAHAHA\n>bro I swear we made civilization we just forgot how which is why only white people can make advanced civilizations for the last 5000 years but I swear we did it first, we just forgot because of raycisms and sheeeit\nHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nYou can't be European if you're Egyptian.\n\nEuropean means Europe"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\n>Ramses 3: E1b1a\nOH NO NO NO NO"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>>51\nWE"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>51\nArabs have been white for more than a hundred years"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\nHAHAHAHAHAHHAA"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nWERE AND STILL ARE WHITE\n\nyes, we are civilization builders and you are civilization destroyers"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>50\nHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\n>negroes in 100 years\n>look they found negro dna iN Colorado\n>WE WUZ THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND SHEEIT\nIt would be sad if any other race said such stupid shit but you are negroes so people just expect you to say and think the most stupid shit imaginable"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>malding cave monkey can't handle the fact that his ancestors were civilized by black men\nlol"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nE1 is an Arab haplogroup and Hitler wasn't white or at least one of his ancestors got blacked"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndefine White ?\nAre Ashkenazi Jews White ?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nJews are descendants of Hittites and Amorites, which both are white. In other words, Ashkenazi Jews are the standard of what it means to be genetically Jewish.\nThe other jews are brown because of Arabs raping their gene pool."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nYour punishment must be more severe."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\n>his ancestors were civilized by black men\nBlack men couldn't even build a civilization of their own never mind civilize anyone else."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We created civilization\nWho exactly? Do elaborate"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>2\n>Pretty sure agriculture and animal husbandry weren't invented by Whites.\nneither of these are \"Civilization\"\nThey are \"achievements\" tribal primitives could pull off, in fact they did."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally false. Though I will agree that hatred of people for their race is retarded. I’ve met good whites people and bad white people. I’ve met good blacks people and bad blacks people. Ditto with other races."}, {"id": 69, "content": "China and India both MOGGED Europe in the past"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\n>China and India both MOGGED Europe in the past\nChina did for a time. India? Not convinced."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>non-whites start asserting themselves to a minimal extent\n>WTF this is white genocide!!!\nWhy are ytbois such fragile pussies?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite people have fallen so far from their former glory. Can you really blame me for not liking you?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>19\nyou really want to start a conflict with the people who have never lost a war to you?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>41\n>>34\n>>22\n>>30\nIf a race were truly superior,\nIt's women would be the most desired\nIt's Societal standard would be the standard for all society everywhere\nEveryone would desire to live under its law\nDwell amongst its people\nAnd it would be seen as a violation of human rights to be denied access to this group of Angelic beings\nIt would gain no sympathy either.\n\n(You)r own admission states Whites are superior.\nSuperiority breeds contempt."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>33\n>>23\nMega cities are luxuries, they were never historical producers.\n>became civilizations\nthose werent megacities."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>37\nWe have no replacement issue, less non-Whites would allow Whites a more than sustainable economy even if you increased their own non-producers by 25%.\nWhites are so productive it is taking an aged population PLUS 150 million non-Whites who are net negatives economically to even dent their economic output and qol."}, {"id": 77, "content": "As a white person, the longer I live in a city the more I grow a disdain for other white people. The people who behave the absolute worst in public tend to be awful mayo monkeys."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>39\n>living vicariously through the most aborted race"}, {"id": 79, "content": "Thank you white man for all the inventions you have provided for the world."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>74\nNobody wants to live under Jewish oligarchical trannyism though. Everything you just stated was only true 50+ years ago."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\n>As a white person"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\nLmao the sheer delusion in this post."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>2\nLet's see how your brownoid ox-carts and grain jars hold up against my intercontinental ballistic missiles"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>unknown\nVery astute and well expressed observation. I would also be envious of white people if I wasn't one myself, only the Chinese have enough self-respect to acknowledge their \"humiliation\" and give an entire century of their history a name in this regard"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>74\nNah, if a race were truly superior it would reproductively outcompete other races. whites are dying off because they rather die on toilets covered in fake gold (while non-white will inherent their stuff) than be surround by friends and their biological families."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "People actually call it that.\nWow, some noble women-owned 40% of the land, that makes it pro-feminist.\nThink not"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It´s true, it was insanely pussywhipped"}, {"id": 3, "content": "it probably was since sparta fucking sucked. It's was a meme state.\nthe Romans literally turned it into the disneyworld of the antiquity once they conquered that shithole"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe spartan heiresses controlled the gerousia and thus had the final say in Spartan politics."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Trying to apply modern politics and agendas to societies over two thousand years old is retarded and the idiots that spout this crap and circulate these ideas into pop culture should be shamed into shutting the fuck up. Spartan women held more influence in their state moreso then their other Greek contemporaries, but this is because of the unique nature of Spartan society where male citizens were devoted to war, so women taking charge in domestic affairs was something done out of necessity. It wasn't because Spartans decided women deserve more rights. The role of women in Spartan society was also unlike modern feminist sentiments; A woman's role was still focused around birthing and raising healthy children, she wouldn't be allowed to just do whatever she wanted."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nExplain"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe world is full of clowns. Nobody deserves anything, not even the skin on his bones"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nBut what would Sparta's take on BLM have been?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Ywn be a slave in Ancient Sparta\n>Ywn get rode by Spartan mommy amazon-style while the wind caresses your bodies and stars look over you\n>Ywn bust a fat load while she chokes you\nWhy even live, bros?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSpartan enslaved the helotes.\n\n>>9\nYou would work in the salt mines until you die, a year later."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfaggots actually worshipped Aphrodite Areia, do you honestly believe they wouldn't suck on the clits of women like the Easterners did the representatives of Ishtar?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Sparta the pro-feminist state\nJust like Mycenae? Weird"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis was because they believed domestic life made men weak, not because they worshipped women, they infact saw women are marked inferiors to men and only valuable for their social role of spurring men forth to war and glory.\nWomen were made to wear veils, except for beautiful young girls who were forced to go around without any covering to attract a man.\n>>3\nno, they were fantastic, the Spartans were renowned for their sophisticated martial system and many of the early Eurypontids were more learned than the Athenians in Greek /deeplore/.\nThe Romans built seats around their agoge training facility, they did not make it a disney world.\n>>4\nno they did not.\n>>5\ntrue.\n>>8\nThey would not tolerate weakness.\n>>11\nEuropeans arent effete lesbians larping as men"}, {"id": 14, "content": "So true!\nNot only Ancient Greece was full of fags, but also feminists!!!!"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Where to learn more about Sparta, Spartan customs and interactions with non-spartans?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSparta was actually criticized by the Athenians because they trained their men to be warriors, but not their women."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War\nThucydides loved them and was allowed to live with Spartans for some time."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nWas there any culture in history where men sucked the clits of women unironically?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nPompeii.\n>Theophilus, don't perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSpartan women had the highest social standing of all women in the Ancient World, second only perhaps to the Minoans. They could own and inherit property, were literate and received an extensive education in laconic wit and oratory, practiced sports, did not have to dress modestly, could wander about freely, could divorce and remarry (in fact this was encouraged because there was a shortage of men citizens), they were honored if they died in childbirth, it was considered the most noble and honorable death in Sparta alongside dying in battle.\n\nThat doesn't make Spartan \"feminists\" though, it corresponds to their own social dynamics. Women's primary role was still to be home-makers, give birth to many children and manage the household. They could not take part in Spartan politics, although they were more outspoken than their Athenian counterparts and held a degree of power as landholders and wives to powerful men."}, {"id": 21, "content": "How does sucking the clitum of a woman feel like bros"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nI did not enjoy it, I mean it was meh. Most women expect you to do it though."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nWhat did it taste like"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>matriarchy\n>instantly decolves into a tribal communal slave state of pedophile warlords\nwhy is it always like this, anons\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trobriand_people?wprov=sfla1"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nLick one of these and you'll find out. It's exactly the same taste and smell."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>10\n>You would work in the salt mines until you die, a year later.\nNot if so many Laconian citizens leave and die in wars that it's up to you to repopulate"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>9\n>be spartan\n>born into the slave caste\n>some progressive guys from Perdia come\n>they are bad because they are bad\n>you are driven to frontline to die for your masters\n>you get mauled by a scythed chariot"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\n/thread"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHere’s a good rule of thumb, anyone who tries to apply modern standards to ancient societies is more than likely wrong and anyone who tries to claim any Greek city state was akshully progressive/feminist/woke is a bullshit propagandist.\n\nSparta was a highly patriarchal society, something they would have proudly called themselves had they had that term. Men and women were raised separately and given state roles to fulfill. Another thing to consider is Spartas views of class and status in terms of roles. Today, someone might look on a farmer as someone who is noble and respectable and even wealthy for owning their own land, but this wasn’t the case then. Spartans saw work and toiling in the ground as beneath them, work meant for peasants, so while they owned land, they would NEVER work it and have healots do it instead. It would be stupid to claim they were actually powerful back then by applying our modern day view of farmers onto ancient Sparta. It’s likewise stupid to do the same with women. Wives were given home management duties because this was considered busy work beneath a Spartan, not because it was some respectable high honor to do so.\n\n“Spartan” was almost (but not really) a title almost like “knight” and only the warrior caste were Spartans and thus had a say in the republic. Any sort of worker or artisan or merchant who lived within their borders was not a “Spartan”\n\nTo them, being in the heavy infantry was THE pinnacle of respect and honor which carried with it citizenship and actual political power, work was considered beneath them. With this understanding, it’s easier to detect bullshit from historians using Sparta as a prop to make some current political point."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\n>the Persians were progressive!\nIt was a empire ruled by a god king and held together by regional warlords"}, {"id": 31, "content": "There IS a strange tendency in ancient aristocracies, such as sparta and the late roman republic, to become more and more matriarchal as time goes on and consequently literally just die out due to the aristocracy not marrying and not having any children. If it wasn't a problem rome wouldn't have had to resort to taxing single patricians as a last resort."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nfunny how this empire was more progressive compared to Sparta, tells so much about how unga bunga the Spartans were"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nHow were they “progressive”\n\nHaving more brown people isn’t progressive"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>How were they “progressive”\nThey werent pedophiles and they didnt enslaved everyone first of all. Secondly they had tolerance towards other cultures as they didnt assimilated them and they tolerated different cultus, they even aided Jews to build their temple\n>Having more brown people isn’t progressive\nif that was the case then I would call Eghypt progressive, in fact they were more slabe society than anything histoty ever saw"}, {"id": 35, "content": "society is matriarchal by definition: men wage slave in order to to be pussy slave at home."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\nHappened even in the Han dynasty with harem/eunuch autism. When wealth and political power centralizes more and more into a single family the only way to acquire wealth is to marry into that family, which not only puts deflationary pressure on the aristocracy at large it gives women within that family a tremendous amount of informal de facto power because they can act as gatekeepers for the scarce and finite attention of the power players, who may very well rather be balls-deep inside one of his concubines and be a pussy-whipped coomer. Especially powerful is the mother of the heir to the throne because you can basically count on him to love mommy dearest and let her get away with enriching herself and her pet ministers at the public’s expense or take care of boring affairs of state so that he can go back to chasing his concubines around."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>29\n“Sparta” was the name of the capitol of a country that was traditionally known as Lacedaemonia. The Spartans’ term for themselves was “homoii”, literally “the equals”, as they were the only full citizens of the country with voting rights. They weren’t really like knights who swore fealty to a lord, the Spartans were staunch constitutionalists who considered themselves a society governed by the rule of law to which even the two kings were subject too. A better parallel would have been to the antebellum south and anti-slave militias who provided soldiers for the army but whose principal responsibility was terrorizing the underclass into keeping their quotas up"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\nPersians did practice pederasty and “tolerance” for other cultures is what every single empire in history does, and that’s done out of a practically, not some openness or xenophillia as you are implying. Rome, Russia, Persia, ect all empires allow some openness in cultures to a degree because it is practical. Also, there were many instances of the different Satrapy’s rebelling and fighting for their independence throughout history, many siding with Alexander the Great.\n\nYou are guilty of trying to apply modern day thinking to historical events you don’t really understand in order to make broad political statement."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>30\n>It was a empire ruled by a god king and held together by regional warlords\n\nsadly still the most progressive state around in comparison with its predecessors (Egypt, Assyria, and Babylon) and contemporaries (Greek and Phoenician city-states)."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>The Spartans’ term for themselves was “homoii”\n\nkek"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>29\nTo Sparta, being a hoplite was the zenith of society. Only the heavy infantry were considered citizens and were able to vote and participate in the state. Anything other than military training was beneath them, so anything other than this wasn’t considered honorable. Any job done by the lower classes or women was just that, work beneath a Spartan and not an instance of equality in modern liberal understanding. Sparta was an apartheid, elitist, patriarchal military state."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>unknown\nGuards, who let this nigger in, take him back now!"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>20\nThis is what getting drown in wishful thinking looks like. Their education was in no way the same as those of males, they did not physically participate in tournaments as people like to imply (in the same way you could imply women led cities by showing example of rich hellenistic heiresses holding eponymous magistratures or participating in gymnastics because they managed gyms), and having a different notion of modesty does not mean subverting it."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>38\n>all empires allow some openness in cultures to a degree because it is practical.\nCyrus the Great was arguably the first one to figure that out. Previously you had empire like the Assyrians and Babylonians simply exterminated and displaced nearby conquered cultures. Zoroastrian religion with its dualistic theology were the earliest and most primitive codifications of the concept of good and evil, and the Hebrews who were allowed to return to their homeland after Cyrus liberated them from Babylonian bondage certainly seemed to think so, and for the rest of classical and well into the renaissance Cyrus the Great was considered the quintessential example of what a “good” ruler looks like, and the Cyropaedia, written by a Greek, considered an indispensable classic."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nThis seems so desperate. I mean come on, are you aware of how many \"quintessential example of what a \"good\" ruler looks like\" learned people have elected? That Greeks writing about various and foreign subjects isn't really something suprising, especially when the subject's successors conquered much of their homeland?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nName an earlier example"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>i-i may not have won the race but I woke up really early (as far as those who came after me know at least)!!!\nReeeeeally desperate."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe funny part to me, is that people who celebrate Sparta's relative benevolence towards women ignore that the vast majority of women in sparta were slaves, who were treated worse than female slaves anywhere else in Greece."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nStop being so self conscious and just answer the question. Can you name an earlier example that wasn’t a fable like Gilgamesh or the Iliad? That was my original point"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nYour point itself is mythical. Relationship between people are highly contextual, and conquest is bound to be conflictual. The pathetic display of Cyrus' last years in Afghanistan were not an example of civility, and they didn't need to be except if you're looking to write a hagiography."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>43\n>This is what getting drown in wishful thinking looks like.\nWhere?\n\n>Their education was in no way the same as those of males\nI never said it was, fucktard. Point out where I said that.\n\n>they did not physically participate in tournaments\nI said SPORTS, not tournaments. And yes the sight of a Spartan woman riding a chariot (which they did) is quite unique in the Ancient World.\n\n>as people like to imply\nWhat people? Who are you talking to?\n\n>having a different notion of modesty does not mean subverting it.\nNever used the term subverting anywhere. GTFO with your strawman bullshit.\n\nFact is, the Athenian writers remarked how athletic and tanned the Spartan women were, in comparison to their own.\n\nPeople here are so desperate to be contrarian, you come off as a pedantic, annoying midwit instead."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>16\nSparta believed that physically strong women would give stronger children, so I don’t know about that."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>I never said it was, fucktard. Point out where I said that.\nExtensive is not synonymous with basic, fren.\n>And yes the sight of a Spartan woman riding a chariot (which they did) is quite unique in the Ancient World\nMeme. Never happened.\n>What people? Who are you talking to?\nPeople like you, duh.\n>Never used the term subverting anywhere. GTFO with your strawman bullshit.\nBuy yourself a brain. In other words: To stray from modesty you have to stray from the norm, but for that to happen you'd have to have the same norm everywhere. Spartan norms were not athenian norms, there was no immodesty to be had."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>Extensive is not synonymous with basic, fren.\nWhere did I say they had the same education as boys? Again I'm asking you, since you like to make shit up.\n\n>Meme. Never happened.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euryleonis\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynisca\nMidwit retard, leave the board.\n\n>People like you, duh.\nBut they did participate in tournaments. The Olympics are a tournament. Link above.\n\n>Buy yourself a brain. In other words: To stray from modesty you have to stray from the norm, but for that to happen you'd have to have the same norm everywhere. Spartan norms were not athenian norms, there was no immodesty to be had.\nI'm obviously talking about modesty from a baseline Greek perspective, otherwise it's impossible to talk about it at all, since every polis had its own cultural norms over what was and wasn't modest."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\n>Where did I say they had the same education as boys? Again I'm asking you, since you like to make shit up.\nAgain, I'm asking you to assimilate the definition of \"extensive\".\n>Midwit retard, leave the board.\n>Women could not participate in Ancient Olympic games personally and even being a viewer was under strict prohibition for them, with punishment by death.\n>Several sources from Xenophon and Plutarch make mention of how, in her youth, Cynisca's brother Agesilaus encouraged her to breed horses and compete in the games, though his motivations for doing so have recently been debated. According to these ancient sources, Agesilaus supposedly viewed success in chariot racing as a victory without merit. As opposed to other events, where a man's bravery and virtue were the decisive factors, he believed that chariot racing only demonstrated wealth due to the lack of involvement on the part of the horses' owner.\nRidiculous clown, I don't need to order you, your shame will do my bidding.\n>And yes the sight of a Spartan woman riding a chariot (which they did) is quite unique in the Ancient World.\nLet's put that here in case you feel the (understandable) need to backtrack or argue semantics about the notion of participation. We really let anyone on this board. Next time we'll hear about Kallipateira and Archippè too!\n>I'm obviously talking about modesty from a baseline Greek perspective, otherwise it's impossible to talk about it at all, since every polis had its own cultural norms over what was and wasn't modest.\nYes, spartans have to live according to what other greeks (correction: some other greeks) thought because reasons."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>44\nI think this anon is right. Isnt cirus even recognized in the bible as a prophet for his benevolence to the jews?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>According to these ancient sources, Agesilaus supposedly viewed success in chariot racing as a victory without merit. As opposed to other events, where a man's bravery and virtue were the decisive factors, he believed that chariot racing only demonstrated wealth due to the lack of involvement on the part of the horses' owner.\nThis is the best rebuttal you could find? I don't give a fuck about her brother's motivations... Spartan women practiced sports and even took part of some chariot races and you haven't been able to prove otherwise. I was right and you are wrong.\n\nI will write a reply at lenght when I get home, this is just so the thread doesn't die."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n>Spartan women practiced sports and even took part of some chariot races and you haven't been able to prove otherwise. I was right and you are wrong.\nnot really, it was a big thing when Cyninsca won a chariot race because women just didnt really partake in such things.\n\nWomen dont really partake in Sports TODAY despite their being no limitations on them, while we have women's sports, they are not as famous, great in scale, or worthy of similar prestige.\n\nSpartan women were more athletic on average, but this varied from king to king and their women were, relative to their males, not in higher positions compared to Athenian women.\nReally Athenian women probably had more freedom relative to their males,\nyou have to understand the uniqueness of Spartan society and how \"liberated\" from material societal morays their males were compared to other Greeks, which holds true for the women as well, however it would be absurd to say Spartans had deference for women."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>55\n1/3\n>Again, I'm asking you to assimilate the definition of \"extensive\".\nEverything I'm saying is relative to other places in the Ancient World. There's evidence Spartan women (that is, the upper class) were literate and there's evidence of a Spartan female poet and even female Pythagorean philosophers. And, like I said, they received *extensive education in oratory, poetry and Laconic wit* as part of the mousike curriculum for girls.\n\nhttps://www.academia.edu/9900418/Growing_up_in_Sparta_the_education_of_girls\n>The epigraphic evidence provided by votive offerings from the seventh century onward reveals that at least some Spartan girls acquired basic literacy. More advanced degrees of female literacy may be inferred from Aristophanes’ likely reference to a female Spartan poet, Kleitagora (Lys. 1237; cf. Henderson 1987, ad loc.) and Iamblichos’ list of female Spartan Pythagoreans (Vita Pyth. 267).\n\n>Fortunately, we possess more information about Spartan girls’ education in mousikē (music, dancing, singing, and thus poetry), especially choral dances, which played a significant role in Spartan ritual activity, particularly in connection with the cults of Helen and Artemis (Calame 1977, esp., 251–357; on Spartan cult dances in general,see Parker 1989, 150–52; Pettersson 1992, 44–56; Constantinidou 1998; see also Calame, Chapter 7 in this work).\n\n>Our earliest evidence comes from two fragments of Alkman’s Partheneia, which provide details about young girls’ dancing and singing in choruses that seem to have involved competition both within and between individual choruses (see Calame 1977, 1.15–29; 2, passim)."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>55\n>>59\n2/3\n>As Claude Calame has argued in his study of choruses of young women in ancient Greece, choral dances played an important role in the cycle of initiation rituals that marked the physiological, social, and institutional development of Spartan girls into wives and mothers. Spartan girls competed in choruses, each of which was bound together by age similarity and ties of companionship, trained by a professional poet, and led by a chorē gos selected from among the oldest girls. In these choruses girls received training in song, dances, and cultic acts that prepared them to participate in various public rituals, festivals, and contests. More importantly, this training instilled in Spartan girls the polis’ system of values through the medium of the poet’s verses and thus prepared them to adapt to those gender roles, behaviors, and responsibilities that sustained Sparta’s body politic (Calame 1977; cf. Ducat 2006, 224–6, 244–5).\n\n>Yes, spartans have to live according to what other greeks (correction: some other greeks) thought because reasons.\nEverything that exists is judged in relation to other things, otherwise we can't make measurements of things. Spartan women did not dress modestly compared to other Ancient Greek women just as today we can say Western women don't dress modestly in relation to Muslim women. In turn Turkish muslim women don't dress modestly in comparison to their Afghan counterparts. This is how comparisons work and your sperg out over sematics here is not warranted."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\n3/4\n>not really, it was a big thing when Cyninsca won a chariot race because women just didnt really partake in such things.\nCyninsca winning an Olympic chariot race was indeed an exceptional, isolated thing, however Spartan women riding chariots is recorded on several Spartan events, see pic related.\n\nAnyway, my initial claim was not about chariots (I just said Spartan women riding chariots was a unique sight for the Ancient World) but about Spartan women taking part in sport competitions, which they totally did.\n\nAgain refer to:\nhttps://sci-hub.st/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781119072379.ch19\n>We have a broader range of evidence concerning Spartan girls’ participation in races, even if we remain wary of Euripides’ tendentious treatment of Spartan female exercise (Andr. 599).\n\n>Alkman’s Partheneia make several references to members of a chorus engaging in a race (1.39ff.; 3.8–9 Campbell 1988; cf. Calame 1977, 2.67–72). The third‐century bce bucolic poet Theocritus later describes Helen and her age‐mates racing along the Eurotas (Id. 18.22–5, cf. 39–44; cf. Calame 1977, 1.333–50; Arrigoni 1985a, 70–6). Both Pausanias (3.13.7) and the fifth‐century ce Alexandrian Hesychios (s.v. Dionysiades) attest to female races in honor of Dionysos (cf. Calame 1977, 1.323–33; Arrigoni 1985a, 76–84). Finally, Hesychios’ mention of a dromos for Lakedaimonian maidens (s.v. en Drionas) may refer to a track reserved for such races (Arrigoni 1985a, 74; Ducat 2006, 231–2). This evidence accords with the archaeological evidence provided by archaic bronze statuettes depicting running girls, including the aforementioned figurine that may represent a dancing girl. 8 All are dressed in chitōniskoi, short tunics that probably correspond to the outfit worn by girls racing at the Olympian Heraia in Pausanias’ time (5.16.3)."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\n>>61\n4/4 (I overextended)\n>Xenophon suggests that Spartan girls competed in athletic contests with one another rather than with men and claims that the physical training of females aimed to produce strong mothers of vigorous offspring (Lak. Pol. 1.3–4). Kritias likewise remarks on the benefits of the mother’s exercise for her offspring in the opening section of his work on the Spartan politeia, written c.425–403 (DK6 88, fr. 32). Plutarch similarly attributes female athletics to the Spartans’ desire to improve the process of childbirth and the production of healthy children (Lyk. 14.2; Mor. 227d = Apophth. Lak., Lykourgos no. 12). In addition to their eugenic aims, it seems clear that at least some of the female sporting events described by these authors – particularly the foot races mentioned above – had a ritual significance and constituted another element of the Spartan cycle of female initiation (Scanlon 1988, 197–202; Millender 1999, 367–9; Cartledge 2001c, 114; Ducat 2006, 233–4).\n\n>you have to understand the uniqueness of Spartan society and how \"liberated\" from material societal morays their males were compared to other Greeks, which holds true for the women as well, however it would be absurd to say Spartans had deference for women.\nBut I never said they had deference for women. You keep putting words in my mouth, it's like you are looking for a reason to be contrarian, my post was perfectly accurate and balanced. >>20. Spartan women had more power and better education that other women in the Ancient world, second only perhaps to the Minoans. That does not make Spartan society feminist, or egalitarian, or anything like that."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">noblewomen had loads of wealth and power\n>lower class women were still basically slaves\nwow it really is like actually existing feminism\nprobably not so much like how they see themselves though"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Whats the /his/torical equivalent of this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe biography of anon."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(717%E2%80%93718)"}, {"id": 4, "content": "the UN"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNiggers and spics claiming that colonialism was necessary for industrialization"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically the JFK presidency"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFrench retardation at the Siege of Candia."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus Christ post crucifixion"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>show up to besieged city with men, ammo, and warships\n>flagship blows up due to an accident\n>get demoralized, leave with all your men and provisions, leaving the Venetians to face the Ottomans alone\nWhat pricks. I hate the French"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWomen retirement."}, {"id": 11, "content": "The magna carta"}, {"id": 12, "content": "France \"civilising\" the colonies"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAppeasement"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n;_;\n\nWhy do you hurt me so?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "History started when I was born and will end when I die."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPeople will disagree not knowing this is the truth."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomeone is writing your biography? Put me in the screencap."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOn a personal level this is completely accurate."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHistory started with\nLong ago all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life. This germ began to mix things around and around until the heavier part sank and the lighter part rose. A muddy sea that covered the entire earth was created. From this ocean grew a green shoot. It grew and grew until it reached the clouds and there it was tranformed into a god. Soon this god grew lonely and it began to create other gods. The last two gods it made, Izanagi anf Izanami, were the most remarkable.\nOne day as they were walking along they looked down on the ocean and wondered what was beneath it. Izanagi thrust his staff into the waters and as he pulled it back up some clumps of mud fell back into the sea. They began to harden and grow until they became the islands of Japan.\n\nThe two descended to these islands and began to explore, each going in different directions. They created all kinds of plants. When they met again they decided to marry and have children to inhabit the land. The first child Izanami bore was a girl of radiant beauty. The gods decided she was too beautiful to live in Japan, so they put her up in the sky and she became the sun. Their second daughter, Tsuki-yami, became the moon and their third and unruly son, Sosano-wo, was sentenced to the sea, where he creates storms.\n\nLater, their first child, Amaterasu, bore a son who became the emperor of Japan and all the emperors since then have claimed descent from him."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nImagine all the people who died with uncertainty. Like Soviet statesmen who died a few years before the dissolution or wartime leaders who died before victory was certain."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">BCE"}, {"id": 2, "content": "BC is an inaccurate label now because Jesus wasn't born year 0"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">AVC"}, {"id": 4, "content": "AD"}, {"id": 5, "content": "-/+"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">AH"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Before Christ Era\n>>3\n>After Victory of Christ\n>>4\nAfter Birth of Christ\n>>5\n>-/+Christ\n>>6\n>After Holy Virgin Mary gave born Christ"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAD = Anno Domini"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nAD already has christian significance, my schizo in Christ. It's anno Domini. Which means'in the year of the Lord'."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nA fellow TRVE ROMAN I see, and is this not a fine year MMDCCLXXVI?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAh yes, the Common Era. The Era which is Common. Which started at the year of the... event."}, {"id": 12, "content": "I want to go back to naming years after animals and shit, and not keeping track. Some small number of years ago was the year of the Wuhan bat."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">first 3 months are called Wheezy, Sneezy, and Freezy"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nActually faggot they’re called Türkmenbasy, Baydak, and Nowruz"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>BCE\n>years Before Christ Exemplar\n>CE\n>years of Christ Exemplar"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>2\nYeah but Christians love being wrong about everything."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\nBackwards Counting\nAscending Dates"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“Common” era.\nWhy?\nWhat makes it a common era?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreat example of hypersecularist nonsense like changing it from AD/BC to CE/BCE has no meaning whatsoever other than to keep dipshits from pissing themselves over the Begotten Son. Like bro if it’s such a big deal, why not change the actual fucking meaning of the starting date? But no, that would take actual hard work and effort, and it’s easier to just write about Greeks in 600 BC[E] fucking boipussy and how it should inform modern society."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\ncringe"}, {"id": 21, "content": "whenever I see \"BCE\" its like a big stamp that says \"yes im seething\""}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>hypersecularist\nJust an hint: the original proponent of this renaming wasnt a secular nor an atheist. try to guess."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Minus sign is the rational man's choice to imply that the number resides in negative side of number line."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>4\n>>7\n>>8\n>>9\n>>11\n>>15\n>>unknown\n>>19\n>>21\nYou're all pathetic pedantic babies.\nLiterally nobody but other losers care about this stupid shit. Everyone understands what either means, everyone is fine if you use either one. It's completely acceptable to use in academia as long as you are consistent.\n\nYou're just being mentally ill spergs."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\nWhy is this man on trial being asked about the age of the wheel?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>LOL you shouldn't care that literature and history is being censured and doctored, bro\n>LMAO there's nobody trying to destroy and rewrite history. You're just a mentally ill sperg if you don't let the experts control your speech patterns"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>>LOL you shouldn't care that literature and history is being censured and doctored\nNobody is doing that. Have you ever fucking seen an article or read a book before? Both BCE and BC are used extensively as long as it is consistent.\n>>LMAO there's nobody trying to destroy and rewrite history\nLiterally nobody is doing that."}, {"id": 28, "content": "Is this christcuck shit of BC and AD only in a good countries? In my country we have \"before our era\"(literal translation) for BCE and we don't even have the equivalent for CE, we just type the year and that's it, so if there is no BOE then it's obviously CE."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">The term \"Common Era\" is traced back in English to its appearance as \"Vulgar Era\" to distinguish dates on the Ecclesiastic calendar in popular use from dates of the regnal year, the year of the reign of a sovereign, typically used in national law. (The word 'vulgar' originally meant 'of the ordinary people', with no derogatory associations.)\n>The first known use of \"Christian Era\" appears as the Latin phrase annus aerae christianae on the title page of a 1584 theology book. In 1649, the Latin phrase annus æræ Christianæ appeared in the title of an English almanac. A 1652 ephemeris is the first instance found so far of the English use of \"Christian Era\".\n>The English phrase \"Common Era\" appears at least as early as 1708, and in a 1715 book on astronomy it is used interchangeably with \"Christian Era\" and \"Vulgar Era\". A 1759 history book uses common æra in a generic sense, to refer to the common era of the Jews. The first use found so far of the phrase \"before the common era\" is in a 1770 work that also uses common era and vulgar era as synonyms, in a translation of a book originally written in German. The 1797 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica uses the terms vulgar era and common era synonymously (meaning not the regnal year). In 1835, in his book Living Oracles, Alexander Campbell, wrote: \"The vulgar Era, or Anno Domini; the fourth year of Jesus Christ, the first of which was but eight days\", and also refers to the common era as a synonym for vulgar era with \"the fact that our Lord was born on the 4th year before the vulgar era, called Anno Domini, thus making (for example) the 42d year from his birth to correspond with the 38th of the common era\". The Catholic Encyclopedia (1909) in at least one article reports all three terms (Christian, Vulgar, Common Era) being commonly understood by the early 20th century."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>3\n>>10\nNobody used that autistic shit. People used the emperor or consul date."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nNo, retard The only point of BCE, the explicit point, was because Jewish academics wanted to secularize a long and meaningful historical tradition, and sap it of all meaning."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nThe same wikipedia article explains how the actual abbreviations BCE and ACE come out of Jewish historians.\nNow, it's only use in academics is to enforce secularization on behalf of Jews."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he doesn't even know the memetic power of BCE\nway to out yourself as a newfag, ngmi"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nalso:\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\n>was because Jewish academics wanted to secularize a long and meaningful historical tradition\nDo you actually have any proof of this?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThe proof is that he's a loser and Jews generally aren't"}, {"id": 37, "content": "I just keep counting backward. Julius Caesar was born in the year -100"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>31\nIt's actually not that complicated, jews simply hates the shit out of christians."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>3\nspbp"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>32\n>Now, it's only use in academics is to enforce secularization on behalf of Jews.\nBased Jews"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>2\nThis\n\nHe was born in 2 BCE"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\n'ate romans, but that one is pretty cool ngl"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>25\nLikely a defense lawyer stablishing that he’s an untrustworthy witness."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nNobody knows the year for certain, it can be 4 or 6 BCE also."}, {"id": 45, "content": "All I knows is, of a wojak posters mocks it, it do be correct"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nIt’s the internet equivalent of going “o-oh yeah?! Well, this is you: *pphphhthptptpttthh*”\n\nIt’s mostly low IQ halfwits and beaners who still read and think at a 3rd grade level who do it"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\nboot licker"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't say that nor do I look like that."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">It’s the internet equivalent of going “o-oh yeah?! Well, this is you: *pphphhthptptpttthh*”\n>It’s mostly low IQ halfwits and beaners who still read and think at a 3rd grade level who do it"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEven though I'm an atheist, I always thought bce was retarded"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>It’s the internet equivalent of going “o-oh yeah?! Well, this is you: *pphphhthptptpttthh*”\n>>It’s mostly low IQ halfwits and beaners who still read and think at a 3rd grade level who do it"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Can the haploautists here shed some light on this topic?\nhttps://youtu.be/nflMVD3K4Sk [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Europeans hair comes from living further north\n\nMonkeys have closer overall genetic similarity to blacks than to whites"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid this topic really need 9 parts? Or they're all tiktoks?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAren't monkeys less violent than blacks?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n40 seconds is all I could take. Insufferable cunt\n\nI'm not a racist btw. It has nothing to do with the matter at hand. He's just fucking annoying"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's not wrong but, in all honesty, Vlad is the biggest clickbaiter I have ever had the displeasure of coming across. You'll see a video snippet of a much larger interview with a sensationalist title certain to pique your interest. You click on it and watch hoping to learn more but ultimately it amounts to a throwaway reference to something only vaguely reminiscent of the video's title.At best Vlad tries to badger the guest with jovial rib-poking follow up questions in hopes they'll give a more controversial answer."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nProbably produced as many inventions as blacks too"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nLmao"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's pretty easy.\nBlacks have thick lips monkeys have small lips.\nBlacks have dark skin while monkeys have light skin.\nBlacks have coiled hair while monkeys have straight hair.\nBlacks have long legs and short torsos while monkeys have short legs and long torsos.\nBlacks have little body hair and monkeys have alot of body hair.\nThus monkeys share more traits with whites than with blacks."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\ndomestication of monkeys may result in space colonization unlike niggers, so probably"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nMy AI has a different opinion."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nHave you seen bonobos walking? They look like black people sneaking by.\nThey have all the traits that you mentioned that black people have without the lip, which their skulls make up for."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nJej"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nHave you seen a sheboon fight another woman? They 100% fight like monkeys. literally just randomly jumping around swinging their arms."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">muh hair muh lips"}, {"id": 16, "content": "the incels will take it as an insult. true intellectuals will realize that is a compliment."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey hate him because he spoke the truth."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\njewbros pretending to be blackbros... it's over"}, {"id": 19, "content": "why can't humans bite the face off their enemies?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwe all can see\nwe just don't want to look"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nChimps are terrible swimmers and their hair is kinky if you look at it closely. I refuse to believe someone didn't make this as ironic bait either way though."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nYou're right about the swimming thing but only occasionally will a primate may have frizzy hair.It's mostly straight."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe's right. We have very thin lips, which is more similar to monkeys."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSpeak for yourself, i have normal lips"}, {"id": 25, "content": "I always thought monkeys are pretty cool and the positive things blacks bring to the table relate to being a bit more connected to their animal side.\nBut I've been scientifically proven wrong. I guess white people dominate even when it comes to the monkey thing, we just can't stop winning."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nMonkeys are scary.\n\nThey can tore off your arm like it is out of paper, they have 10x more strength than we do."}, {"id": 27, "content": "Reject modernity\nReturn to monkey"}, {"id": 28, "content": "so, white people have:\n- more hair than other races\n- are more prone to getting lice\n- thinner lips\n- bigger ears\n\nblack people have\n- a funny jawline\n- ????"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nthe only sane way"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nYou forgot that they also tend to be bow-legged with square torsos and long arms. Then there's the behavior."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nI mean, that's pretty cool desu senpai."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\nnah that's just chimps"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>11\nThat's because early datasets for recognizing people were only trained on whites. It had difficulty detecting darkerskinned individuals in general and would probably tell an Asian to open their eyes.\n\nIt'd be funny to think when the robot uprising comes that they'll only shoot white people because everyone else wasn't included in their training data.\n>>20\nIsn't this photo kind of disgenious because the black woman is looking upwards making her jaw look longer than it is.It would be better if they used her photo looking straight, also in the facial morph to the white woman, they forgot to add the huge nose."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">even monkeys are more advanced than nogs\nJUST"}, {"id": 35, "content": "White Man vs an Italian, 1928, colorized."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nYes nigger, an AI with recurrent racist bias, associating blacks with gorillas because untrained to see the FEW differences between niggers and gorillas will probably shoot only whites after advancing past the singularity point where it perfectly understands who is a jungle nigger and who's a normal person.\n\nCope more."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nWhy is the italian beating the white man?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfricans have prognathism and simian brow ridges this is so ridiculous, theres no way he isnt aware of how stupid this is"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>28\n>Where da wyt women at?!"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>6\nHe is wrong, there are millions of years of evolution between humans and monkeys, there is no human \"closer to monkeys\" in any meaningful sense. I assume they saw racists comparing black people to monkeys and thought \"hurr I'll compare monkeys to whites\". However this doesn't change the fact there are genetic differences between white people and black people with a significant effect on ability including intelligence."}, {"id": 41, "content": "OOGA BOOGA GUNGA GINGA BONGO GOOGA"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>>/sci/"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>unknown\naverage American vs average British"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>5\nI agree completely."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbig talk from Sagan's catamite"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nso he's saying whites came first?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">mayomonkies itt alternating between \"n-no you\" and \"w-well being a chimp isn't so bad anyways\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>28\n>- more hair than other races"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\nStill miles better than being a nigger"}, {"id": 50, "content": "but big lips, dark skin, prognathism and a large nose are pre-human features?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>26\nHumans can kill another person or animal from throwing a fucking rock hard.\n\nChimps may be strong but they pay for it in dexterity. Humans have nearly unmatched manual dexterity and fine muscle control."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhites are alien offspring."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>12\nWhat apes walk like Beavis and Butthead?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The Egyptian Greeks, also known as Egyptiotes (Greek: Αιγυπτιώτες), or simply Greeks in Egypt, are the ethnic Greek community from Egypt that has existed from the Hellenistic period until the aftermath of the Egyptian coup d'état of 1952, when most were forced to leave."}, {"id": 2, "content": "HAHAHAH GET RECKED GREEKLINGS"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFuck Nasser and fuck Arab Nationalism. Egypt would've unironically been like the Asian tigers, had it not been for the retardation of the freedom officers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Imagine being classmates with Hitler in the 1890s and then 40 years later he becomes the total ruler of your nation and drafts you to fight the entire world.\n\nThis would really fuck with my head. It would render me schizo for the rest of my life."}, {"id": 2, "content": "> would render me schizo for the rest of my life\nword"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot really. You forget everything. It’d just be a small vignette you tell people at the bar. I have almost no memories earlier than 2 years ago."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nimagine if they had a bromance hahah"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYou're a brainlet.\n\nNot only have I memories from everything beginning at age 3. I also remember how I felt during certain moments in my life."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nThis pretty much. I went to school with some people who became famous (in my country). Ok maybe sports stars and musicians are not the same level as a Führer but still my reaction is just \"oh hey I went to school with that person!\". I imagine for those people it would be kind of the same but more like \"holy shit I went to school with him!\""}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nhitler and wittgenstein linked up sneed it or feed it?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nwhen an INFJ speaks...."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt is even more bizarre given how Hitler was likely to have ended up being a nobody vagabond for his entire life without WW1 or even a stray bullet may have killed him."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nHistory is weird.\nIts was if it was his destiny.\nSimilar to Napoleon, in his youth he was mocked for being a Corsican. No one would of imagined their destinies"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nfuck off boomer"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nFuck you nigga I remember shit before I was even conceived"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nYou have to be a total schizo to be invested so much in your nation to begin with. Normal people just want to have peaceful, quite lives with wive and children.\n\nNazi Germany is what happens when schizos aren't contained."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>schizo\nAnother NPC buzzword"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey all look borderline slavic, lol. And those guys had the gall to call Russians deformed monsters."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>They all look borderline slavic\nIt's called being white"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAnd it's horrifying. My churka brothers in North Caucas look better than that."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nImagine being surprised that Austrians and Slovaks look similar"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nNever told anything about Slovaks. The point is, half of them look like potatoes and that shits all over the German propaganda."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9 #\n>>10 #\nDestiny is real and it manifests itself in the dumbest of ways. The worst mistakes I've committed could've and should've been easily avoided yet they happened and changed my life forever. It's a shame there's no new game+ after you die, not as far as we know anyway"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nI posted this shit three times, ignore it or refresh your page, i was trying to get rid of some mistake."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Slavic = potato\nPlease kill yourself kike"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>6\nGia isn’t some prized beauty anyways. She didn’t even win her competition thing and she is certainly less pretty than Haley. I just mention her a lot so the other jackass shuts up. Just a bunch of morons, all the way down."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\nGermans were always Slavs in denial.\n\nThey have more in common with them than with French, Brits etc..."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come even the Sentinelese invented the bow?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwith every new picture their bows actually keep getting larger, reportedly so that they can reach aircraft such as drones"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBased savages."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you sure they didn't just have it when the andamanese reached their islands 10 trillion years ago?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe actually dont know and likely will never know just how isolated they were. They could have had many small run ins with Indian and musslim vessels that they picked off some inventions from them. Even the most isolated Amazon tries we know of speak a Spanish/Portuguese pigeon language they picked up on their very brief encounters"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThey only isolated themselves post-British colonialism. The British introduced a disease of some sort so they isolated after that. We do know that during the Middle Ages, Marco Polo writes about ships avoiding them because they are cannibals."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nHere Marco speaks of the remarkable population of the Andaman Islands--Oriental negroes in the lowest state of barbarism--who have remained in their isolated and degraded condition, so near the shores of great civilised countries, for so many ages. \"Rice and milk\" they have not, and their fruits are only wild ones.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Travels_of_Marco_Polo/Book_3/Chapter_13"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the ancestors of most humans today already had the Bow & Arrow before leaving Africa."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How badly does it pervert legitimate history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminds me of that british cult\n>isaac's son\n>isaacsson\n>i saacsson\n>i saxon"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHuh, I'm not Lactose intolerant. Guess I'm white now. yayy."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nlolse, i can also drink milk\n>>1 (OP)\ntfw your only evidence is semantic hairsplitting and unrelated data"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Red hair is not a white trait"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npost the rest of the verse, lol\n>But now they are blacker than coal, and no one recognizes them in the streets. Their skin hangs on their bones; it is as dry as wood.\n>But now they are blacker than coal"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do you fuck up this badly"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">july 1941\n>encircle 420,000 in bialystok-minsk\n>encircle 700,000 in kiev\nhow the FUCK was this not the end of the ussr right there\n\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Białystok–Minsk#Casualties\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kiev_(1941)#Aftermath"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis pretty much blows to bits the conspiracy that Stalin was planning to invade Germany at all in 1941.\nThe first few months of operation Barbarossa were a massacre"}, {"id": 4, "content": "German tactical superiority and Soviet neglect.\nRed army in 1939-1941 was more a political organization than a professional military. Small details such as that Red Army officers were forbidden from taking the initiative and had to wait for orders, most tried to avoid any kind of responsibility at all since you could get executed for failure or acting against orders. The Germans had embraced mission command which is a standard tactical doctrine today, officers were encouraged to take the initiative and act against orders if an opportunity was presented, German soldiers had in-depth knowledge of an operation and ability that exceed their ranks so they too could take command. Trust from German command was paramount.\nAdd to the fact that when the Germans invaded, frontline communications was cut. Logistical dumps were destroyed (ie no ammunition), the airforce was destroyed, tanks were not in formation, soldiers were told not to retaliate, soviet command was disconnected from reality and gave contradicting orders.\nGermans also achieved rapid maneuverability in the early stages of Barbarossa. They covered more ground in the first month than they did in the next 3 months. Encirclement was achieved which caused panic, confusion, and loss of supplies."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nGermans thought the same exact thing.\nYou underestimate how many forest and steppe people lived in the USSR.\n\nUSSR lost like, 13% of their population total during the war, which is pretty gnarly.\nIt was like 25 million men or so, but they have more.\nAnd Slavs are stubborn as fuck, westerners ignore that part every time."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Dont trust anyone\n>Except your worst enemy"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThese numbers have to be fake. No way the Soviets would note that much casualities on their side. It must be nazi sourced numbers"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nSoviets didn't bullshit themselves, they actually viewed the war very scientifically.\nThey bullshitted the populace, sure. But high command got the details correctly.\n\nLater in the war Soviet intelligence and strategic command was superior than the German one"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n\nNope all that was achieved, tho we didn't know the full extent of the damage until the 1990 when the USSR collapsed and secret state archives became available to historians.\nMany are still locked even to this day."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nWhat books did you read on the Eastern Front?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n\nSoviet population was 170 million. German population roughly 80 million.\n\nHowever the numbers are misleading since the USSR had a far more younger population than Germany (third world social standards) which meant they had far more men of military age.\nThe USSR was also more akin to modern North Korea. The military was virtually everything and recieved absolute priority since the USSR regarded itself a nation under siege from the rest of the world.\nThe common red army soldier was also extremely tough thanks to loving under the totalitarian system and quite brutal social standards. The Germans were extremely frustrated that red army soldiers kept fighting even in hopeless situations where a normal western soldier would have surrendered as was anticipated. It was a major factor to the failure of Barbarossa as it caused both time delay and increased casualties."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n*Living under totalitarian system"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n.>Despite fears causing the Soviet Union to enter deals with Germany in 1939, that Germany came so close to destroying the Soviet Union was due, in large part, to Soviet actions taken from 1939 to 1941.[5]:181 Without Soviet imports, German stocks would have run out in several key products by October 1941, only three and a half months into the invasion.[5]:202–205 Germany would have already run through their stocks of rubber and grain before the first day of the invasion were it not for Soviet imports\nWas Stalin retarded?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\nThe theory that Germany was doing a preemptive first strike claims that Barbarossa was an early success because the soviets had placed so much of their forces close to the border that the Germans were able to easily blitz through the line with a surprise and encircle them."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>These numbers have to be fake\nYeah, some glowniggers seething so much they can live a day in their life without lying. Here's casualties from russian wikipedia, still devastating but at least realistic."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>Was Stalin retarded?\nHe thought that by feeding the Germans he'll exhaust both the UK and Germany and the USSR would just swoop in. In reality, Barbarossa was a desperate act from a country that was starting to starve it's war effort because of the lack of raw materials. Maybe giving Germany more raw materials would have deterred them from invading, but then again they expected that the USSR would be a walk in the park."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\n\nIts the dumbest theory of the war and its mostly originated from an anti-communist soviet defector, and by Hitler himself to give the invasion legal merit and propaganda.\n\nThe primary reason is that Germany had decided to attack the USSR long before, and the Red Army had just revealed its catastrophic flaws with the war against FInland, while the Germans had just revealed their unparalleled capabilties with the defeat of the western powers.\nThe soviets knew they were in an extremely dangerous position after the fall of France and the disaster at Finland. The programs to self-correct, retrain, modernize, expand, reeducate, restructure, basically make a complete overhaul of everything they had previously torn down from the proffessional Tsarist army and replaced it as a political and ideological motivated inexperienced party branch.\nThe Soviets estimated that the entire remake would take at least 3 years (which is roughly what happened, by 1944 the Red Army had become more effective and sophisticated than the Wehrmacht).\nTo Stalin, buying time was paramount, hence why the Soviets increased their trade quotas to Germany, and delivered by the number while Germany often ignored their own quotas to the USSR as the invasion grew closer. It could also explain why Stalin was pushing to join the Axis, while Germany was dancing around it and ultimately began ignoring it. It also explains why Stalin was in complete denial of an invasion, he simply had to believe it wouldnt happen because he knew the Red Army in its current state was no match against the Wehrmacht.\n\nFinally, what would Stalin gain from invading Germany? The war was already going perfectly for the USSR. Germany and Britain were starving each others out by both military and economic losses. The USSR had free hands to exand its sphere everywhere else. Stalins attentions were primary towards Turkey, Bulgaria and Iran. He was more than happy to let Germany and Britain keep fighting."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n\nI would like to add to this post however, that it could certaintly be that Stalin planned an \"endgame\" of the war with invading Germany once the Red Army was ready, and when Germany had;\n1. Just defeated Britain\nor\n2. Was about to be defeated by Britain\nStalin could by all means plan an invasion by 1944-45 and pull the same trick he did with Poland, to liberate the working class and stabilize the nation and bla bla.\nThe USSR was in a perfect position to win World War 2 the moment Germany invaded Poland since they could snatch any smaller nation without anyone being able to stop them, and they would simply defeat whoever managed to crawl out victorious between Britain and Germany.\n\nHitler knew he had a closing time window to be able to defeat the USSR. Should the USSR be given time to moderinize and expand its army by 1943 and later, the German forces would be in no position to invade anymore, and Germany became increasingly dependent on USSR trade to even survive.\nIf the USSR had achieved both military and economic superiority over Germany, then Hiter would have been at Stalins mercy.\n\nIn a way, it was a pre-emptive strike, but not a pre-emptive strike regarding any immediate circumstances, but of what could become eventually."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne word: communications\n\nSoviets (and most Western armies tbf) relied on pretty antiquated stuff, and the Nazis were able to take out whatever was left.\n\nWithout communications, armies are immobilized. No one knows what the fuck they're supposed to do or where the fuck they're supposed to go. All they know is Stalin will kill them for retreating so they just stay put and German armed sweep pass and encircle them"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhold up..\n>strength of 4,522 tanks\n>lost 4,799 tanks\nwhat?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nA tank that gets knocked out is lost. A lost tank can be recovered and repaired."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nwhiles yes I worded it lost, you do know it says destroyed in the pic right?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nCould be reinforcements that came in."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>15\nBoth useless source"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">better literature\n>better art\n>better movies\n>better animation\n>better videogames\n>better music\n>better comics\n>better culture\nYep the master race\nThe west lost."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">vidya\nlmao\ni remember plato stating this as a cornerstone of civilization"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">ugh.... what could have been"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThe video game is both the best and worst artform."}, {"id": 5, "content": "YWNBJ"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nseethe whitey"}, {"id": 7, "content": "none of this is true"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>better\nthan what?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>better music\n\nThen why is K-pop taking off?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJapanese videogames fucking suck.\n\nFirst of all nips need easy dumbed down versions of Western Releases.\n\nSecond JRPGs suck compared to WRPGs.\n\nMost JRPGs are just glorified menu simulators where you go in and select attacks and spells out of a menu as you progress along some railroaded story, wheres WRPGs play out in real time and have open ended combat and branching story paths."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>First of all nips need easy dumbed down versions of Western Releases\n\nThat happens the other way around for games released in America from Japan."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njaps only invented shoes by like 1000 AD"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>better movies\nName one Japanese movie that isn't anime."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>better videogames\nWestern RPGs are better than Japanese RPGs"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nGodzilla, Rashomon, Battle Royale"}, {"id": 16, "content": "Name them"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>meme\n>literally what\n>proto-marvel shit that would embarrass hollywood\nmou ikkai"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>>10\ntoo bad all the other genres are better in japan"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this the most important and influential country in the last 1000 years of history? Do you agree or disagree, and if so, why? Which country would you argue is more important and/or influential?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "france\nbritain was the most important from 1815-1945, but france was the most important from the coronation of charlemagne to napoleon's exile to elba"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>but france was the most important from the coronation of charlemagne to napoleon's exile to elba\nHe said last 1000 years not last 1300 years.\n\nAnyway, were it not for England there'd be no USA, and the USA has become by far the most economically powerful and influential country on the planet. As much as I don't want to yank the chains of the Yanks, the creation of their country was extremely impactful in world history, and their country wouldn't exist were it not for England... France doesn't play much of a role there, and the \"Lingua Franca\" was replaced with English both because of the emergence of the US and because of Britain's global colonial expansions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nLast 1000 years:\n\n1023-1815: France\n1815-1945: Britain\n1945-2023: USA"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRome"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI like how you insist that France was more important than Britain (England) even past 1763 when by that point it is most certainly not at all arguable since the French got BTFO of North America and from which they forever took the place as second fiddle."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\nand I also forgot Spain."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey became a thing after 1760s, but before of that they were just one of the many kingdoms in Western Europe with nothing special to offer. They have been the most influential nation from 1814 to 1918. It was over for them after that.\n\n>>unknown\n>overtook France\n\nFrance was never a thing until late XVII century. People tend to confuse being the historical equivalent of Russia, a powerful country that has been always there, but that has never been the number 1 of the list and their case was even worse because they were a land power closed in Europe.\nEuropean Late Middle-Ages were carried by Holy Roman Empire.\nThe Ottomans ruled the Eastern Mediterranean.\nIberians the Western Mediterranean, New World and Oceanic routes.\nRussians controlled Siberia and alongside Poland, they controlled Eastern Europe.\nTo the far east, the ancient Chinese empire together with the muslims of India, controlled 60% of world trade and the world's population.\n\nThey became a power with something to say on the international political scenary with Louis XIV and even so they were not by far the only and first world power since the world has been multipolar until 1991.\nTo begin with they barely had possessions outside of Europe and they were enclosed by their borders, that same land that gave them the most fertile soil of Europe, was their own cage."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nThe USA became a country thanks to a french victory over England. And while England did expand english language in her empire, the french language was still considered the most important until WW1 and in many cases France didn't need to colonize places to make them speak french, a lot of them spoke french simply because it was prestigious. Perhaps the best exemple was Egypt, which was a British colony but still prefered french over english during that time, as did the majority of monarchies of the time despite France not even being a monarchy troughout the entire late XIX Century."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>4\n>>8\nThe true answer is Spain. :)"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEnglishman here. 1000 years is a bit rich."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nFrance didn’t exist when Charlemagne was alive and Germany was the more powerful kingdom when both formed from the Carolingian Empire until the 13th century"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\n>European Late Middle-Ages were carried by Holy Roman Empire.\n\nIt was a joke from the Interregnum until its last hurrah with Charles V. Some of the Emperors had power but only because they also controlled Bohemia and Hungary. Admittedly France was also a basket case for most of the same period."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nIt was the only European Empire that competed with Byzantium. It had the papal legitimacy, the size, the military power and the prestige that France never had, which did not have an emperor until the 19th century.\nThey had entire kingdoms subject to vassalage or under their orbit, from Hungary to Denmark, Sicily, the Slavic principalities, etc. Even on paper, the kings of France were vassals of the emperor, though they never obeyed his authority.\nIt was by far the Empire that defined the European Late Middle Ages, influencing from the Balkans to Italy, to the Baltic as well as Poland and Spain.\nAt that time, France was just the medieval equivalent to a sort of what Russia is on today's political scenary."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">yfw you realise the British Empire was really just a one-way package holiday for chavs"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1000-1550 Italian city states\n1550-1700 Spain\n1700-1820 France\n1820-1945 Britain\n1945-now USA"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nshit on chavs as much as you want, but no other country except perhaps Germany/Scandinavia has an British work ethic. \"Mad dogs and Englishmen\" is in a sense a national musical biopic. \"Chavs\" continue to work through the hot noon sun to this day, while the sleepy romantic country types stick to their fiestas."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\n>The USA became a country thanks to a french victory over England\nNigga what?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>1700-1820 France\n>lose numerous wars to Britain, who supersedes France in every metric\n>no guys it was definitely France!"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>1550-1700 Spain\nSpain was already taking control of Italy on the late 1400s by btfoing both city states and france"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey could’ve spawned over 1 billion English descendants if they didn’t pussy out in the end."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>if they didn’t pussy out in the end.\nwdym"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>19\nYes anon, no one considers the UK as the top global power even after winning the 7 Years War, because they totally weren't.\nBritain started being relevant only after industrialization and France becoming backwards after Napoleon drained the country of men and resources"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nRight, because knocking France down to second place in the global colonial empire race, trigger its intranational collapse which resulted in tens of thousands of unlawful executions and a dictator rising up and trying to take over the whole of Europe and who was again defeated by Britain and its allies means that France was still hotter shit than Britain during all that time.\n\nYou're delusional."}, {"id": 25, "content": "Did most retards here forget that there are countries outside of northwest Europe? France from 11th century to 18th century, yet no mention of the Mongols, the Ottomans, the Spanish, the italians the Seljuqs or Timurids even at one point? You have to be a retard to think that in the 13th century, for example, france was more influential than the mongols. And it seems the Average IQ itt is indeed below 84"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nWhat language did the European high class speak during the 18th century into the 19th century?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\nFixed\n>1000-1450 Mongolian empire, Mamluk Sultanate, Holy Roman Empire,\n>1450-1700 Spain, Ottoman Empire, Portugal, Netherlands, China\n>1700-1820 France, Austria, China\n>1820-1945 Britain, Russia, Germany\n>1945-now USA, Russia, China"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nOP asked:\n>Is this the most important and influential country in the last 1000 years of history?\n\nThat question implies in collectivity. If you seriously think that France was more important than England with the last 1000 years considered collectively, you are seriously slow."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>9\n>>3\nThis. Without France the USA would've remained a stretch of colonies along the east coast of North America. The British prevented them from expanding beyond Appalachia because they feared the colonies would become more powerful than the homeland.\n\nIt was France's help in the revolution and their sale of Louisiana that made the US a superpower."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>2\nNo\nIt is overstated how influential and powerful France actually was. Despite being the most populace and richest country in Europe it never managed to conquer its neighbours and at no point had the largest empire outside the continent. Culturally France were influential but only among the European elite. Outside of Europe, mostly just western europe nobody cared about France or had to care.\n\nEngland meanwhile is the sole reason Europe over the last thousand years has never been conquered by one sole nation. England even when it was not the formost power in Europe was a thorn in the side of whoever was the most powerful and when England did finally become the most powerful European country it became the most powerful and influential country the world had ever seen up until that point."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nhow can you say that when they almost got taken over by england multiple times during that time?\nengland has ahead of the curve for most of the medieval era and became the cutting edge from the tudors onwards."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nThis. And England has been the mother home of unmatched philosophical, legal, technological and sociological developments which have influenced the world enormously, more than any from France. Pic related.\n\n>>31\nFrogs look at a map of the Angevin holdings (half their fucking country) and say \"but the King of England payed le lip service to le Roi so the French were more powerful!! XD\""}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, that's the USA."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate the British for teaching English to pajeets."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nIn your own shity graph it's says \"UK of GB\" and not \"England\" and even aknowledges that UK is made of 4 countries, Scotland being the most overachiever of the 4 by population size. If England was compared alone with France and the other France would be the first.\n\nThe most important battle that England and France ever fought was the American war of independence which thanks to a french victory in land and in sea, the US was created and ever since it has been growing to the point of completely dominating the world, stealing everything England had on the world and made it's former master become it's most loyal vassal."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>30\n>It is overstated how influential and powerful France actually was. Despite being the most populace and richest country in Europe it never managed to conquer its neighbours and at no point had the largest empire outside the continent. Culturally France were influential but only among the European elite. Outside of Europe, mostly just western europe nobody cared about France or had to care.\n\nThe China of Europe, except Europe is a lot smaller than East Asia."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\n>In your own shity graph it's says \"UK of GB\" and not \"England\" and even aknowledges that UK is made of 4 countries, Scotland being the most overachiever of the 4 by population size. If England was compared alone with France and the other France would be the first.\nYou are out of touch with reality if you don't seriously acknowledge that Anglophone cultural hegemony was the leading force in each of the UK's entities. It wasn't bog-trotting Irishmen and sheep-fucking Highlanders who were creating things of substance. It was English language-speaking academics, engineers, and intellectuals in those areas, many of whom had substantial amounts of English ancestry themselves.\n\n>stealing everything England had on the world\nLiterally what? The US built itself up off of the back of the Spanish Empire, not the British one, which still reigned as the supreme global force until the end of WW1, from which it actually even gained territories thereafter.\n\n>and made it's former master become it's most loyal vassal\nTypical yank nonsense."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>made it's former master become it's most loyal vassal.\n\nDefinition of Vassal State:\nA vassal state is any state that has a mutual obligation to a superior state or empire, in a status similar to that of a vassal in the feudal system in medieval Europe. Vassal states were common among the empires of the Near East, dating back to the era of the Egyptian, Hittite and Mitanni conflict, as well as ancient China. The use of vassal states continued through the Middle Ages, with the last empire to use such states being the Ottoman Empire.\n\nThe relationships between vassal rulers and empires was dependent on the policies and agreements of each empire. While payment of tribute and military service is common amongst vassal states, the degree of independence and benefits given to vassal states varied. Today, more common terms are puppet state, protectorate, client state, associated state or satellite state.\n\nYou're a fucking retard if you think the UK falls under any of these labels in regards to its relationship with the US. Do you really and seriously believe the UK in respect to the US is comparable to Belarus and Russia?\n\nYou Yanks constantly jerk yourselves off about \"muh vassal states\" yet most of these supposed vassal states in Europe constantly reject idiotic ideas coming from the US and piss all over it with insults whenever they get the chance. Those really don't sound like vassal states to me."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\nMost of those are from Scotland not England.\n>SCOTS ARE ANGLOS\nstill Scotland not England."}, {"id": 40, "content": "1000 - 1492 France\n1492 - 1643 Spain\n1643 - 1815 France\n1815 1918 Great Britain\n1918 - today America"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>32\n> The first records of the word accomplishment come from the 1400s. It comes from the Old French acomplir, meaning “to complete,” ultimately from the Latin complēre, which means to “to fill up” and is also the basis of the word complete."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nScotland has, even in its medieval history, been a subjugated entity under England. For example, in 1200, King William 'the Lion' of Scotland paid homage to King John, and this was not the first time the Scots had done so. Earlier in the 1170s, there was the Treaty of Falaise, which gave England dominion over Scotland.\n\nFrom Wikipedia: \"The Treaty's provisions affected the Scottish king, nobles, and clergy; their heirs; judicial proceedings, and transferred the castles of Roxburgh, Berwick, Jedburgh, Edinburgh, and Stirling over to English soldiers; in short, where previously the king of Scots was supreme, now England was the ultimate authority in Scotland. During the next 15 years, William was forced to observe Henry's overlordship, such as needing to obtain permission from the English crown before putting down local uprisings.\"\n\nThis, while continuously having English knights fill their courts (the de Brus dynasty, for example) and while 'Scots', which is widely recognized as being a dialect which emerged alongside English while continuously being highly influenced by English, continued to emerge as the dominant language of Scotland."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nthis makes no sense lol"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>2\n>1945\nWasn't the US already the strongest after ww1?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nEconomically, but it didn't project power. They were still isolationist and the military was quite poor until FDR."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLast 1000 years? Hell no.\nMaybe the past 300 years. Before that it was easily France or Spain.\n>>3\nThe USA would not exist without France.\n\n>>27\n>Mongolian empire, Mamluk Sultanate\nlol the metric is influential and important.\n\n>>30\n>England meanwhile is the sole reason Europe over the last thousand years has never been conquered by one sole nation.\nNot 1000 years ago. England was nothing of real importance until the past 400 years when they first started colonizing.\n\nNobody is saying that England was not one of the most influential countries on Earth. The problem is saying that it was for the past 1000 years. That is simply not true at all."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\n>Last 1000 years? Hell no.\nNot even when you look at all of England's achievements and contributions collectively from throughout that 1000 years?\n\n>The USA would not exist without France.\nMore importantly, the USA would not exist without England, since that was the nation of its original settlers. That matters more than the role France played in the US' war of independence, imho, especially because American separation seemed inevitable due to the fact that separatism was essentially embedded within it from the beginning (the Puritans were hostile anti-monarchists and purposefully left England as not to have to abide by its laws)."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>37\n>It was English language-speaking academics, engineers, and intellectuals in those areas, many of whom had substantial amounts of English ancestry themselves.\nGermans had a huge unfluence the academia of all of it's eastern neighboors, much of the higher societies of europe from the 1600s to the early 1900s saw french as the highest form of culture and essentialy tried to live like french aristocrats. I'm pretty sure that neither of those factors were relevant on this graphic and Copernicus is considered polish and Tolstoi russian (as they should be) and Maxwell should be considered scott.\n>Literally what? The US built itself up off of the back of the Spanish Empire, not the British one, which still reigned as the supreme global force until the end of WW1, from which it actually even gained territories thereafter.\nThere is so much wrong with this, which is pretty easy to spot if you remembered that British white Colonies, once Britain's main allies now lie deeply in american hegemonic sphere (\"economic vassals\") or that the pound once was like the dollar of today being considered the world standards currency, but to be short, search for video of \"The other great game\" and you see for yourself how the US stole british influence in economy, the seas, broke the anglo-japanese alliance right after WW1, etc.\n>Typical yank nonsense.\nThanks for your support in Iraq, don't try another Suez and we wouldn't hurt you."}, {"id": 49, "content": "For most of the Middle Ages and early modern period England was a second rate European Kingdom outdone by France, Germany and Castile. The short lived Empire of Henry II and the ascendant England during the final stages of the hundred years war does not suddenly make it a great Kingdom for the vast majority of the periods. Until the glorious revolution England was a relatively weak and small Kingdom which couldn’t compete very well against those on the continent."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\n>lol the metric is influential and important\nLargest empire in human history. Successor empires, such as that of India, lasted until the eighteenth century."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>4\nmore like\n>800-1700: France\n>1815-1890: Britain\n>1890-now: USA"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who was born first, Hephaestus or the twins Artemis and Apollo?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How lucky is God that he got to be God? Like why didn't you or I get to be God from the beginning of infinity? God must be one lucky dude. How'd he land a position like that?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod was, is and will be. He is everlasting. You should be thankful he allows you to exist, and provides a away to join him through his Son, but instead you whine that you're not God."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho created God?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nStill pretty lucky to be everlasting though. That's nothing to scoff at."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nHow did God get to be God?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy would god make a massive turbo faggot of a pastor's child? Really makes you think.\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe just is, and God's only Son is Jesus Christ."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you Mormon?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nLame answer. Also, isn't his son also himself?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nuninteligible question"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nNobody got to be God. God is what comes before the universe, an eternal logic that floated above the abyss for infinity before doing the existance, as a verb."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\n>you should be thankful that god forces you to exist so that he can dominate and abuse you for eternity!!\n\nno idiot, existing as the sole-sufferer of reality so that God can be the sole-enjoyer of reality is not a good thing."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nJesus Who? Never heard of him."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>>11\nAn infinite universe makes more sense than a sentient being that does not follow time."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nRabbi Yeshua ben Pantera"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nSo God was just floating in the void for eternity and was like \"Holy shit! I'm God! I can do anything! I make all the rules!\" and then created a universe and creatures to play with?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nWhat part of it did you not understand? It's using simple English"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nThat means you think the cool answer is why aren't you God.\nHe just is is the coolest answer to the rest of us.\nThat was the question of the topic and it is now answered."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>10\nSo by that same logic\nDoes there need to be a God for the universe to exist?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>who created that which is, by definition, uncreated?\nThat's simple English too. Try to answer that or make sense of it"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat makes this God more valid over the other gods of all other religions?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nyes"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nThis one is THE God, the one real one."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nHow do you explain multiverses?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nI define the universe as uncreated, though"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nHow do you know that vs some other god being THE god?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nWhere's the evidence for a multiverse"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>16\nPretty much. Wouldn't you?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>Where's the evidence for a multiverse.\nWhere's the evidence for not only a designer but a designer that answers prayers?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nsounds like a you problem\nif it's uncreated then it's pure being, with no trace of non-being, with no parts, with no measures, no divisions, no distances, etc.\nthat's your universe?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nIf I was god I'd definitely create this:\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy\nle ebin trole god"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nAnswer my question first"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>Where's the evidence for not only a designer but a designer that answers prayers?\nhe does answers prayers, look at this, the holy creation of god himself, you have to be really subhuman after witnessing this and not recognizing the holy hand of god, the majesty of his creation\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nwhat's preventing something uncreated from having parts or changing?\ndumbass"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds like it takes A LOT to get there."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nall you have to do is pray, you can be a turbo mega faggot, then just pray, ez, insta heaven\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nI still have never heard an argument how you get from deism to theism"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\n>sounds like a you problem\nlol, what's the problem?\nI think the universe got no cause, you think this universe's cause died on a cross 2000 years ago\nagree to disagree"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nwell you're in luck, this picture summarizes all the teachings of christianity in one single teaching, just pray\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow lucky is the mountain that it got to be a mountain? How lucky is the ocean that it got to be the ocean? I’m not Christian, but Christian’s believe God to be an eternal, uncreated (ignoring Jesus) being bordering on force."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>35\nNothing good ever comes easy they say.\nNothing good comes without sacrifice.\n\nAnd.....\"It was good\""}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nChristians also believe Mary was a virgin and didn't cuck his simp husband. They also believe this dude can just pray his way into heaven.\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nStill does not prove anything.\nWhat's stopping me declaring that Mormonism is the way?\nOr that I realise that there is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger?\nWhy is Christianity true but also the denomination that you subscribe to?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\nNah, they think he's some kind of powerful wizard that lives in the sky"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nlook at this picture\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy\nthen get back at me"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nHow could Jesus resurrect himself if he wasn't a god?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nthis is an image board, you can upload the pictures directly in your post"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>40\nThe mountain (probably) isn't conscious. The OP is just applying the vertiginous question to god."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>44\nThey really don’t, at least not the educated ones."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>46\nHow do we know he was resurrected and if we did, does it prove that he was God?\nIf we take the bible to be true, it seems resurrection was common place in bronze age Palestine thousands of years ago.\nGraves of saints opening at the crucifixion going for a stroll round the streets of Jerusalem.\nLazarus resurrected, daughter of Jairus. These stories are not impressive"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\n>How could Jesus resurrect himself\nProof that he could?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe worked really hard and pulled himself up by his bootstraps. Before you knew it, he was God, master of his domain."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>34\ntook you long enough to start with the insults kek. the rational level-headed atheists\n\nwhat is uncreated is a first principle\nthis principle is either being or non-being\nif it's non-being nothing follows\nif its being, being follows\nthe universe is\nthen first principle is necessarily being, not non-being\nbeing itself can't be temporal, because the past isn't anymore, future the isn't yet and the present will cease to be\nit can't have parts because this part isn't that part and neither are the whole, so none are being. that cannot be because we're dealing with being\netc.\n\nyou said the universe is uncreated, it comes from nothing else, it is 'causa sui'. it is the first principle and it's own principle. If it's first principle then it's being, since the first principle cannot be non-being. but being doesn't admit time or parts or divisions or distances"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>being itself can't be temporal, because the past isn't anymore, future the isn't yet and the present will cease to be\nBtfo by B theory of time. Stopped reading there."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou and I never had a shot at being God. Godhood was destine for one guy, and that's God. He was always going to be God. It was rigged from the beginning."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\namen\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nif your assertions were wrong about what god can or cannot be, how would you figure it out?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's never luck."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>It was an inside job"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nwell the only way would be me being sloppy in that particular post, which is entirely possible. So i guess I would figure it out by taking a test on metaphysics\n\nnot sure i'm getting the point of your question though"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nyou are being silly\nif one could get at truth like that, you should expect there to be universal agreement among everyone that wasn't being sloppy"}, {"id": 62, "content": "Christians turned YHWH from an anthropomorphic God in the Old Testament who has human emotions like jealousy and anger, and even appears physically, into some abstract, inscrutable, Platonic ideal. Christianity is basically one step away from atheism, at least the Hebrews actually believed in God. Christians worship an idea, they're basically pantheists."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\n;-)"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>53\nbtw, being itself died on a cross 2000 years ago, then un-died"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>43\nNothing is stopping you from doing anything.\n\nThe problem with life is nihilism. If there are no rules, and there is no truth, then everything is permissible. And if everything is permissible, then there is no meaning to any action. Many people come up with fairly empty excuses about why this isn't true. They'll base their coping mechanisms on temporary things that would be good gifts in the proper context, but ultimately based in the impermanent. And so they make idols of the creation, instead of loving the creator.\n\nI venture that you know that there's goodness and you know that there's something wrong with the secular world. It's so afraid and plays many empty games around fear. It's so absolutely vain and self important.\n\nIslam removes the very thing which allowed Christians to work at practicing perfect love, which was Jesus' resurrection. EVERYTHING a Christian believes hinges on the resurrection. Without it, there is no forgiveness of sins. And since God cannot tolerate sin, there would be no relationship with God.\n\nI think Mormons believe that we are heavenly spirits who choose to enter a broken world. To me, this makes no sense, because relatively no one is born Mormon and many people are wicked."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThis is just an argument from consequence."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>And since God cannot tolerate sin\n\nWhy'd he create it then?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>God cannot tolerate sin\nNot even a little bit?\n\nSeems super stupid for a perfect God to create a world he knows will have stuff he doesn't like in it.\nDoesn't want there to be sin, don't need to do anything - is already perfect - lacks for nothing, goes ahead and creates a world he knows will have sin in it.\nIs he irrational or what?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\n>instead of loving the creator\n\nWhy would I love the creator of this disgusting world? A creator that tortures billions of innocent animals in nature and let's children suffer?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>64\n>btw, being itself died on a cross 2000 years ago, then un-died\nfascinating thought isn't it."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>14\nYes, and all matter was created by uh, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nEnergy, which always existed, even pre-bigbang, and can't be created or destroyed."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nall matter was created by the guy that died on a cross 2000 years ago"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>63\nOh I get it.\nSacrifice is real isn't it?\nIt's a real act that stands out in an unreal world."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>67\nGod created free will. It's people that create sin. It's similar to the way we believe in circles when none exist in creation. People are free to create whatever illusions and untruths they want:\n\nPeople often mistake telling the truth about lifestyle choices as a form of discrimination. Discrimination is a negative label for speech that contradicts self-indulgence.\n\nPrejudice is often mistaken as \"hating\" a characteristic.\nPrejudice is actually imagining for yourself that a thing has lesser or greater value and should be a point of shame or pride.\n\nDiversity is mistaken as being a thing of reverence and celebration.\nDiversity is actually about amplifying shallow, surface level differences.\n\nTolerance is affirmation that the choices people make for themselves is right. The world wants you to believe that you are the captain of your fate. Tolerance actually sets people up to become their own arbiter of justice and mercy and inflates self-importance. It's for people who want to usurp God.\n\nAnd no, God is not against science and understanding the mechanisms of the world. It's just that there's no real answers there because He is a personal and emotional being. If a hug were on a menu, or you saw an electro-chemical map of a hug it's nothing compared to the real thing.\n\n>>66\nDo you feel rationality to be a comfort to you? Has anyone ever logic'd you out of depression?"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\n>Where did a super-intelligent all-powerful complex magic God come from?\n\nuh, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>Do you feel rationality to be a comfort to you? Has anyone ever logic'd you out of depression?\nIs this what belief in god is for you? A tool for avoiding depression?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>61\ndisagreement about what? about the argument, which is made by mere concepts, or whether it implies God's existence?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nA world without meaning may as well not exist. There's 0 reason to survive without meaning. Or do you believe that you'd like to be a slave to some survival instinct?\n\n>>68\nYes. God is irrationally in love with this broken world and desires your redemption from it."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>78\nNta but there is no universal agreement about the concepts as you've presented them.\nt. philosophyfag"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>79\n>A world without meaning may as well not exist. There's 0 reason to survive without meaning. Or do you believe that you'd like to be a slave to some survival instinct?\nI disagree with your assessment of the situation, but that's irrelevant.\n>If god doesn't exist, I wouldn't like the outcome, therefore god exists.\n^That's not an actual argument."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>79\nThe only reason to exist is to have sex and reproduce, like all animals do, like a virus."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\ni know but the reason is not that the argument ican or can't be true, which is what he was implying. the reason is entirely different"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>68\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_4BPjLBF4E [Embed]\n\nLook at this AI learning to walk.\nWhy don't we just give it a walking animation and make it move to the points we want it to travel?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nyeah, why don't we? can you think of some reasons a human would want to make a robot that learns to walk?\n\nlol. why is theists favourite pastime to demean god and talk about how weak and needy he is?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nBecause we get sadistic pleasure out of watching the character helplessly flop around for our entertainment."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\nSir, that is a bleak outlook. Is that thought what drives you?\n\n>>81\nYou don't like the answer that God exists. No textual discourse or logical progression will ever show you that love is real. I can only assert that suffering and evil have been overcome. Gently, as if hugged. While the world still recoils, victory was grasped and the sword was released. Death is now meaningless and that freedom was bought with His blood.\n\nI don't like the answer that life is meaningless and random. No amount of discourse will convince me that love is not real. That we were created just to suffer and die. Or that we are on an infinite treadmill of adaptation with no endgame. It's not enough to fill our physical needs with pleasure. Our spiritual bread is love without reason and even in the midst of suffering. Even if you can poison the well of your soul in such a way, you shouldn't. Love is better."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>79\ncan there be meaning without a god?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nStop putting words in my mouth. I'd prefer it if the world were ran by a loving god, but that preference will never be evidence of a loving god's existence no matter how hard you insist that it is."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>88\nHe's probably equivocating between meaning, purpose, function and a host of other things. Many such cases."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nI apologize for being unfair. If twenty people told you that water would quench your thirst, you might believe them. If you were thirsty, I'd suggest you try a drink. Again, I apologize if what I've said made you feel uncomfortable. As for irrevocable evidence, I hope you'll find that none exists for anything.\n\n>>90\nWhat is meaning?\nWhat is function?\nWhat is purpose?\nWill drawing such distinctions and dissecting love make you feel it? Would it benefit you?\n\n>>88\nSure. Many people define goals, aspirations for themselves, and so fashion themselves any number of temporary idols. What is the meaning of life to you?\n\nTo me, I have no points of pride. I have no things to love for their own sake. But because God has given me stewardship, I'll attempt to do the imperfect while He handles the perfect: joy in the good, peace from the fear of death, patience with self and others, kindness in actions, acts of goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control/sobriety."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\n>If twenty people told you that water would quench your thirst, you might believe them. If you were thirsty, I'd suggest you try a drink.\nI'm not getting my panties in a twist either way. I'd prefer the loving god scenario, but the no god scenario isn't terrible either.\n>As for irrevocable evidence, I hope you'll find that none exists for anything.\nIt's not about \"irrevocable\" evidence. It's rather that the evidence for god is very weak and committing to belief on those grounds is intellectually dishonest. It's basically self-deception."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nWhat does believing in God hold anyone back from doing, to you?\nLet's say I'm self-deceived. I'm a part of a loving church community. I am married. I attempt to practice good works out of the grace that was afforded me. I don't worry about suffering because now I believe there's a purpose in it. I sang praises to God the week after I was diagnosed with cancer with my brothers and sisters. I've overcome my issues with childhood trauma and militant atheism.\n\nI know who I was before. It would be emotionally dishonest to say that God hasn't blessed me in every way.\n\nAs far as intellectually dishonest, no man finds fault in his own judgment, his own senses. When we listen to a song or eat some food and find it disagreeable, we do not blame ourselves for lacking the sense to enjoy it, but find some flaw in the object itself. This is essentially the same with philosophy. We are not convinced by philosophical arguments, but like to pretend we are. Everyone in their heart of hearts understands that logic and language can be used to justify or prove anything. Empiricism, too."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>5\nGod is. No thing gets to \"be\" God."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>27\nwhataboutism. also derailing.\n\n>>25\nthe universe is finite. time is merely a relative measure that contrasts matter and energy interacting continuously. matter and energy are finite and thus too is time."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>93\nSounds like you're a nihilist who pretends not to be a nihilist for personal satisfaction. \"Emotional dishonesty\" is a pretty funny concept, but the emotions are tied to your belief, not the object of your belief.\nI've found faults in my own judgement plenty of times and subsequently revised my views. In my personal view, larping as Gorgias in 2023 is a bit infantile."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>96\nNihilists are just Christians without God.\n>Life has an inherent meaning or purpose that is defined by God\n>There are no objective moral or ethical standards except those defined by God\n>Knowledge and truth are uncertain and subjective except that which is revealed by God\n>(Secular) existence is meaningless and futile\n>Human values are arbitrary and subjective without God\n>Human endeavors and accomplishments are insignificant except how they bring glory to God\n>(This broken world) is indifferent to human existence\n>Nothing has intrinsic value or worth except as defined by God\nWhen Nietzsche declared God dead, he immediately tried to re-invent God.\n\nI don't know who Gorgias is."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\nWhat you mean matter is finite, it's not like it expires"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>93\nThe lack of a belief in the supernatural is what's keeping me from taking Christian theism seriously, my confidence in Christianity being false is like 99.99%\nActually experiencing a miracle myself, would drop that number a LOT"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>97\nI suppose you're right about nihilists. These conclusions are definitely not obvious when looking in from other perspectives.\nGorgias was a Greek sophist who argued for really radical positions with regards to relativism of truth and such."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\n99.99% seems too high to me. What odds would be good enough to accept the premise of a deity, though?\n\nMore to your point: My concept of the supernatural allows me to think that mercy is a supernatural response to justice. It'd be like the judge who wrote the law comes down from his seat and puts himself in the place of a criminal who broke it, pays the cost of justice, then allows the criminal into his family with no strings attached. It would be ridiculous if it happened in any court around the world."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSounds hellish"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>97\nThe meaning of life is to absorb matter(eat and drink) to keep your cells working then replicate the code that created you in the first place DNA before your cell dying off inside you kill you"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\nNo I'm being serious, I'm VERY confident in ghosts, magic, etc, not being real\nhere I thought I was being conservative picking 99.99%\n\nIf you were a betting man, and we had a way to get the fact of the matter, I'dd give you those odds. You put 1 dollar on the table, I put 10,000\n\nWhich is why experiencing a miracle myself, or being told about it by people I really really really trust, would be world-shaking to me."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>103\nA life without hope at worst, or one that passes the existential problem to the next generation at best. Is life so reductive to you?\n\nWhat if I told you, that pain could be joy to you? I don't mean in the masochistic sense, but in the sense that if pain has a purpose, you would be willing to bear it in love?\n\nWhat if I told you that you have no enemies? That all you have is the souls around you, waiting for you to free them?\n\nWhat if I told you that you're right, this life is practically hopeless, but there is a way and a hope?\n\nI know you are lonely. No one who is saved writes things like this. There is life for you. There is a father who will say to you: ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>104\nYou're an interesting person, lol. I don't get ghosts at all, like how do they keep from getting sucked into earth's gravity well if they can pass through walls? Ghosts seem not real.\n\nI have for sure experienced indiscriminate love, and there's several real life \"coincidences\" that really give me pause and consider the likelihood that universe is random chance. Such as the consistency of electron charges, or the molecular \"machines\" that operate in cell DNA. I'd be willing to consider that it is random, though.\n\nSo, even though those things aren't \"proof\", I don't think it's right to toss out God with the bath water of things like Loch Ness or Invisible Dragons in the Garage. There's at least some chance that the universe was directly designed and constructed by a hyper intelligent being."}, {"id": 107, "content": "Don't you know that ye are gods? Ah… You don't know who you are but Jesus has an answer for you. God gave you all of himself wrapped up in Jesus Christ so I invite you to receive him so that he shows things that even you don't know. I don't like it when people don't see themselves through God's eyes."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNietzsche's conclusion was basically that God is dead and that men have to become God.\n\nWhen you really think about it from an atheist point of view, IT IS POSSIBLE for man to essentially become a demi-god. But keyword is possible.\n\n100+ years later we see man chose rather to be untermensch than ubermensch.\nWhy did man become untermensch? Because being God, being the limit of all that is possible is terrifying.\n\nMan was never meant to be a God."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>93\n>What does believing in God hold anyone back from doing, to you?\nNot him but more often than not when there is a majority(or just a considerable minority) of believers(particularly deep, radical believers)in a population, those believers will try to impose their beliefs upon others, and make the laws of their religion also the laws of the state, hence forcing everyone to live by the standards of their beliefs, whether they want to or not."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are god. You are the universe experiencing itself. Yet you complain just because you can't control it? Enjoy it."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>4\nIt's not luck, it is. That is why God calls Himself \"I Am\"\nThe full scope of God is too much for mortals to comprehend. Thanks be to God that we do not have to guess, but read His word so that we may know this: >>2"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\nPish"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>3\nGod is evil"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">all men are created equal"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah, where did this shit meme originate?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>created\nbut men weren't created??? Evolution, hello?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLITERALLY antiscientific knowing what we know about evolution"}, {"id": 5, "content": "correct"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we hold these truths to be self evident"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Men and women are created equal\nDo you actually believe this?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nis there a solution for moderates and 95% of the normal people to get their society back?\nhow long are we going to be held hostage by radicals on both sides?\nserious question"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nProbably not, queer theory psychos are forcing their way into schools and abusing the court system to troon kids out. There is not escaping it, and they expect normies to roll over without a fight."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>unknown\nScience supports the bible, I stopped reading after that.\n\nDon't worry, you can transform into a woman in 2 weeks, Sarah, trust the plan."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nnice projection christroon"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>believe all life transformed from other forms of life\n>claims others believing in trannyism\nYeah bro, your great great ... great great grandpappy was a tranny, transformed from a fish to man. Just like you believe you'll be a woman with those hormone pills and surgeries, faggot."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNo, science supports the concept of sexual dimorphism in mammals. Queer theory is antiscience."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the Hamilton musical, I cringed pretty hard at the woman saying \"When I meet Thomas Jefferson, imma compel him to include women in the sequel!\"\n(I watched it out of morbid curiosity.)"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>>10\nXesus was a troon"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nWasn’t it one of the Skylar sisters who said that? I don’t know much about those sisters, so I’m not sure if anything of them were feminists/proto-feminists."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Why are you guys so obsessed with trannies?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nIt was."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nSo how much do we know about the one that said that like in the play? Was there any feminist movement at the time?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>unironically uses the word queer\nlmao, dumb gaytheists will never understand why they always lose their dumb culture war when they're too busy fighting the only people standing for anything good in this world."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nBeing Jewish bootlickers isn't \"good\" you queer, neither is getting your morality from Jews"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nJust keep revealing your ignorance, Sarah.\n\nEvery Christian on /his/ is laughing at you."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nWhat’s wrong using the word “queer”?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\nIt allows me to punch women so yes"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>current year\n>people still filtered by this line\nIt means roughly equal with respect to political capacity, or the ability to participate in a government. Which is intuitive when you consider the extent to which the views of very intelligent and informed people end up differing amongst themselves. Your average person, assuming they have a half-decent education, will know enough to form their own political opinions about what policies are in their interest without some nobleman or commissar claiming to make decisions on their behalf."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>average person\n>half decent education\n\nhow in the fuck does that mean all? youre literally grabbing a section of the population using those terms"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEquality under the law for those who abide by those laws was a noble pursuit, but now it has been subverted to the point it means nothing."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nYou are going to need to define each and every one of your standards concerning the average person, its \"education\" (whatever that means, concerning schools trade not in philosophy but competences), their \"knowledge\", their \"political opinion\" and all that as pertaining to a political context of democracy, before I can even begin to explain to your smoothbrain how WRONG it is."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking what's the reason for inflation of military distinctions?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's a lot of politics in the military nowadays. There are people there who can barely fire a weapon but know the right asses to kiss and they get a bunch of commendations for it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCirclejerking."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRemember when Obummer purged 2/3rds of top generals and then replaced them with his sycophants?\n\nRemember when everyone told him his troop surge approach to Iraw was retarded so he quietly revered his decision and pulled out of the country so quickly the resulting power vacuum led to the rise of ISIS?\n\nGod he was stupid."}, {"id": 5, "content": "I will post the post with the truth:\n\nSince most militaries in western countries are not directly involved in wars, medals are not a way to measure bravery/courage but a way to signify some person has an specific skill (“finished first in his shooting training “) or he has made a big effort in his career (“he was twice in Iraq and three times in Lithuania”). Obviously countries that are in the middle of a conventional war have less medals, but those actually signify an important deed"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIt was intentional. Syria was the next target after destroying Iraq."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome of these are participation trophies basically like the McDonald's ribbon, some are based on time served like the good conduct ribbon, some are for participating in specific campaigns and operations or serving a deployment, some are for weapon proficiency and some are for being recognized for doing your specific job really good. He's clearly been in long enough to amass a fuck wack of these ribbons."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI know, remember the only time the media praised Trump is when he did missile strikes on Iraq, one of the reasons shitlibs seethe about covering up Killary's emails is because she was talking about boots on the ground in Syria"}, {"id": 9, "content": "It's a coping mechanism. I got a ribbon just for joining at the time."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nI got two, National Defense and GWOT just for being in"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Historically speaking what's the reason for inflation of military distinctions?\nPeace. Or perhaps it would be more appropriate to say, lack of overt conventional war.\nIf there's no way to earn distinction through fighting, the military has to make up ways to get it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nMost of Milley's fruit salad is just generic long service and good conduct awards (stuff you get for just not being a blatantly corrupt piece of shit), plus some specialist schools like the Q Course (US Army Special Forces), Air Assault School, Airborne School, and the like.\n\nt. Army"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not an inflation of military distinctions, it's an inflation of ego. Eisenhower was one of the humblest people of history if you compare the sheer amount of power he had to what he actually did with it.\n\nTake Brezhnev as a counter example. What did he do?\n>career politician\n>immediately became a colonel without ever having to pass any sort of training because of political connections\n>ruined the Soviet economy when he became general secretary"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\n>nowadays\nYou know nothing about the Civil War, broski."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>4\n>Remember when everyone told him his troop surge approach to Iraw was retarded\nExcept it was Petraeus's surge idea and it was from 2007-2008 you retard. The Surge under Obama was in Afghanistan in 2010 and Obama was skeptical from the start"}, {"id": 16, "content": "in Joe Biden's army you can get a Medal For Distinguished Service for crossdressing on duty"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>7\nnigga theyre ALL participation award trophies.\nI fucking made toilet wine and sold it to iraqis and I got a fucking 3x3 rack worth of bullshit. Shit dudes were intentionally driving over IEDS in their shit so they can get their purple hearts."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>Obama was skeptical\nThat's overestimating his competence. Obama only cared about one thing, and that's his public image. That why he drone struck everything because you can't show dying drone soldiers on TV with his name scrolling at the bottom. He was intentionally super weak so that he wouldn't have a PR disaster, hamstringing the army for his personal benefit"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat can't be Ike's whole rack. I have 4 racks and only spent 6 years active duty and deployed once to helmand province."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>4\n>Remember when Obummer purged 2/3rds of top generals and then replaced them with his sycophants?\nBush did the same thing before he invaded. Not defending the nigger, just saying most of the top brass haven't exactly earned their stripes in a long time."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsaving face"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>13\nHitler had a massive ego but only ever wore a single medal: the Iron Cross that he received in World War I. I think it has to do with the fact that people who have actually fought in wars put more value on their medals than people who haven't."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho killed more Russians?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\nShe'd beat her Russian counterparts with superior speedrunning strats THOUGH"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>people who have actually fought in wars put more value on their medals\nEnlisted men famously hate medals. In WWI and 2 they would often trade them for alcohol or cigs or whatever, luxury items. In Vietnam dudes would just straight up throw them away. There was a huge demonstration in Washington where guys threw their medals onto the White House lawn and said fuck that meaningless shit. The Confederates in the Civil War literally chose not to even issue medals and the only distinction for valor they made was to be mentioned in army dispatches.\n\nTraditionally medals only matter to POGs, Rear echelon officers, and peace time soldiers who never really saw war."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He did nothing wrong."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis old dude had his own badass themetune\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og43-7QUphw&ab_channel=DPRKVideoArchive [Embed]"}, {"id": 3, "content": "he was by far the worst leader of north korea, a retard brat who assumed power through using what little intelligence he had to purge everyone who could stop him\n\nThe common assumption in Japan and South Korea was that North Korea kidnapping people was a silly urban rumor designed to discredit them, as part of the detente of the Sunshine Policy Jong-Il decided to publically apologize for the kidnappings, which instantly ended any prospects of successful peace talks. Had he said nothing Japan and SK would just have continued assuming it was bullshit, instead he single-handedly torpedoed any prospect of the Sunshine policy making progress.\n\nOn top of this at the worst point of the famine he initiated seongun, which just made the famine worse as the few resources the country had went straight to the military, causing much more starvation than was needed considering China would have defended them anyway.\n\nHe spent more time directing fucking dino movies than he did administering the state, they'd be much better off if one of the generals put a bullet in his head."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was dumber than his father and didn't have the chops of being a guerilla combatant"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nHe was screwed over by ther Soviets dissolving and by South Korea getting rid of their dictatorship and liberalizing which made the South seem less harsh in comparison to the North."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe was screwed over by Juche and refusing to collaborate closer with the Chinese, he should have sucked it up in order to avoid a famine"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nDuring the Sino-Soviet split, his father had attempted to play both sides off each other. The entire concept of Juche was to keep from taking a specific Chinese or Russian line. He couldn't fall into one of the either camps without losing the country's independence and rendering it a foreign vassal state like virtually everything east of Germany was in the 80s."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI know, but with the dissolution of the USSR in the 90's he needed mass grain/fertilizer imports from a sympathetic state, which as we know didn't happen and led to the Arduous March"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is he the biggest fraud in history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWrong board."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Pissi Cuckitini"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nO TWAIN"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nPissi Kiketini"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the streets of Paris a ghostly sight\nLionel Pessi roams the night\nNow tremble in the face of his tricks\nThe master of the penalty kick"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlol seething PSG bot\n\nPSG lost\nPenaldo lost\nFrance lost\nAfrica lost\nEuropeans won"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nGive penalty pls\nMy goat needs EIBAR and BOLIVIA or he will retire"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nriggi riggitini"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>Riggi Riggitini"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nR"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThis image speaks volumes."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">where is eibar"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOld mcPessi had a farm, E-I-E-I-O\nOn that farm he had Eibar, E-I-E-I-O\nOld mcPessi had a farm, E-I-E-I-O"}, {"id": 17, "content": "pisi"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "JANNY COURT IS NOW IN SESSION\n\nwhat is going on with jannies here? ive seen porn threads stay on the 'log for hours, but jannies will sometimes hand out random little 1 day bans for innocuous shit like this. there are threads up now that should be deleted according to this hardworking janny right here. people always talk about politics and ideologies because they go hand in hand with history and humanities, and we arent going to fucking /pol/ to have a genuine discussion about socialism you autistic retard.\n\nshow yourself and respond ITT janny, so you can be judged by both me and the jury. but i know you wont, coward. delete this thread like the weakling you are"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>>/pol/\n\nsubhuman"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHow was OP's thread not history/humanities related?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere’s a porn thread that’s been up for six hours lmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n100% humanities related"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait? Did a janny just do something? Impressive, I guess."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI suspect there is only one janny on this board that doesn't give a shit. it's only within a specific hour each day that the board is purged of like 10 threads and then nothing more. you could probably post tranny porn if you want for the next about 8 hours and it'll stay up. they must be American. especially if any of you have been awake long enough to see how the board gets raped by tourists each night."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>purged of like 10 threads\nAll of them related to History and Humanities while the racebait and tranny threads stay up."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>racebait and tranny threads stay up\nI don't know what's more fun, calling niggers retarded (as in all leftists) when they come here thinking they're going to get their way or being a \"good boy\" and exhausting their npc dialogue while all but explicitly pointing out why they're subhuman retards and the faggot mod can't do anything about it"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSurely they were banned as well"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>at least it was a /his/ only ban"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nJanny think this fake mustache and monocle is actually doing something for him"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>hidden\n>hidden\n>hidden\nI'm sure all of the hidden posts aren't important context to the thread like maybe /pol/tards cheering on the death of a 14 year old."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nin janny's defense, it was his 70th ban"}, {"id": 15, "content": "This might come off as a conspiracy but i sometimes think some specific jannies in purpose promote porn and spam threads, not removing them at specific period of time is enough evidence."}, {"id": 16, "content": "I've been posting on 4chan for 14 years and have never been banned. I acknowledge that this statement may jiggle the breasts of any devilish mods that have infiltrated this wonderful thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy doesn't jannies just transfer threads to their appropriate board instead of banning people?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>never been banned\nYou sucking their clits under the desks help"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nAlmost all from the same janny, all for calling the same like 5 retards niggers. So really it's like getting perma'd for a single post, and that's saying the n word. He can't actually ban me for anything else because he knows I'm right, so he has to ban me effectively for cursing. Which is exactly was a disingenuous tranny would do, because he knows that braindead commies come here and try and \"commiepill\" people by blatantly lying. But I guess lying subhumans are better for advertisers than calling them what they are, niggers."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\nhaha"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nThey all work to undermine any real discussion. There's no reason for anyone reasonable to be a janny, the only element of society interested in it are psycho manipulators including the PR industry.\nAt some point the industrial scale manipulators identified forums like 4chan as influential in undermining their narrative control. To retain control all they need to do is reduce the quality of forums in general, undermine our ability to think and communicate. Like they did on TV for decades they also undermine thought by promoting the worst imaginable retards as representative of every side of every issue.\nHistorically this was called black magic. Today black magic sorcerers in the service of demons own all your souls."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\noh I see now. You're mad because you're another spamming /pol/troon that wandered from his containment board. you probsbly deserved that ban"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nYou know it's not wise to use the same tranny lingo that's in the picture of your retarded white jihadist fanfiction posts\n\nWay too obvious, like you're literally starving for attention\n\nBut mods don't ban schizophrenics that are desperate for attention either, because they make so many posts they make people think the board is more active than it really is"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>whining about ideologues showing up and spamming retarded shit\n>does the same thing for his borderline fedposts about killing niggers\nNah. you're definitely contributing to this board's decay as much as they are."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nJanjans regularly hand out bans when they see something they disagree with or when they're just grumpy and feel like taking out their anger at something. It's not just /his/, every board is like that. But there's no way to fix it."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nAgain I'm not here to talk about your fanfictions about /his/ being some sort of black genocide nerve center you retarded nigger"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nBased schizo speaks the truth, yet it falls on deaf ears"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>9\n>those hidden posts\nlol. c'mon nigga. I was in that thread."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\nI don't think that any of them are PAID shills, anon."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">be racist\n>get banned for racism\n>HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN???!"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nWhy wouldn't they be? A janny on /tv/ works at Paramount, just because xer paycheck doesn't say \"shill\" doesn't mean it's not a paid shill. The people with monetary interests connected to narrative control value these positions very highly while everyone else sees them as worthless. In this situation guess what kind of people will fill every position?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJanny deleted a post of mine about religion and sexuality a week or so ago.\nA screenshot of a news article about Marywood University, a Roman Catholic University, allowing drag shows.\n\nIt's part of & Humanities."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\ni saw the janny delete like 2 pages of shitty frogs and bait threads so he like maybe bothered for 2 days and then decided to play with his balls all day"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>16\ndude give the janny something to work, they will be fired if not!"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI had a short trial for a /int/ mod today, I believed the Turkish poster was him because I demanded he answer the second time I put the thread up and the turk was the fastest to say something.\nI had moderate replies and was satisfied with awareness and what I believe to be a response “it’s mean and racist”\nI make sure to tell all Turks they are really just Greeks now.\nI was banned for saying “same as always, blacks just monkeying around”"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Survive the Jive had a new documentary on Scythians\nhttps://youtu.be/Xsowwl7s4Q0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInteresting ty."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKiked version of Asha Logos."}, {"id": 4, "content": "he has started pronouncing their ethnonym correctly, with a hard c sound\n\nthat is a step in the right direction"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKiked up grifter\nAnyone asking for your money deserves to be spat on"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVarg tier retardation"}, {"id": 7, "content": "one thing I think is weird about this video is the part where he just shits on Origen for no reason\n\nalso the embarrassing use of some 2d trannyjak at one point, I stopped watching\n\nhe might be going loopy, needs to get a handle on his optics"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs the content good when it comes to disclosing sources, art, and research?\nI'm 6 seconds in and I will only put up with this Zoomer mr beast tier editing if its good."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI liked tom's video on the Tea trade though. But it didn't have this editing."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>ADHD infested zoomer asks a retarded question that can be answered by taking 1 of the six seconds he watched to check the description\nTake some adderal and get the small amount of energy you need to finally shower and clean your room, chud"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>referring to this loser by first name\nHe's not your buddy you gay simp"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nNever, faggot.\nAnyway, apart from the tea vid I haven't seen many of his videos so I'm asking if they're good or not.\n>>11\nFair enough. Don't seethe so hard next time anyway, fellow sperg."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>7\n>>6\n>>5\n>>3\nhi trannypol"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>sea of azov, russia\nuh oh chud alert!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nare those chuds here, with us?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\n>Varg tier retardation\nHow so?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>8\n>Is the content good when it comes to disclosing sources, art, and research?\nStJ's sources include skimming wikipedia and 4chan infographics"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nI wouldn't be surprised if they actually were doing that."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nBut I trust the guy he seems like he researches his shit."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>coomer thumbnail"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nLast retarded thing I remember is how he called ancient north eurasians \"genetic europeans\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If there is one person I can go back in time to murder would be the guy that decided cellular signals would be better suited for mobile communications. Holy fucking shit the world is so dumb today. Picrel is what a \"smartphone\" should look like."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe scientist who invented ((((((birth control pills)))))), pure evil."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nBoth these things could've been avoided by giving marx a double barrel popsicle"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThat makes no sense"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Holy fucking shit the world is so dumb today. Picrel is what a \"smartphone\" should look like.\nYou're not very good at selling your position, anon."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbraham"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlexander Hamilton\nhttps://therightstuff.biz/2020/04/12/ftn-american-mephistopheles-hamilton-deep-dive/"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nSlavery is cringe, cope and seethe."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nWhat the fuck did Marx have to do with contraceptives and digital communications technology? lmfao"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">you WILL be tortured FOREVER\n\nFuck you, pshycho"}, {"id": 2, "content": "this is you"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe idea that God tortures his creations forever for evil is especially ironic considering the Bible makes it very clear that God is the creator of evil in the first place.\n\n\nIsaiah 45:7\n>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.\n\n>inb4 \"evil\" actually means something else\nLook at how the original Greek word for evil is used in other verses."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Worth it to make reddit atheoids seethe"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Why are atheists so mentally ill?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy\nthis is you"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>Look at how the original Greek word for evil is used in other verses.\nIsaiah was written in Hebrew my dude, quit seething and learn instead"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nexactly, learn the true way of christianity like this man here:\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\nyour God is literally cartel-tier sadist"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nNot opening your links, post it to the image board like a man"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nThis is that same gay porn link someone called out in the other thread?\n\nAtheists are such fucking losers. Why don't they just kill themselves already? They're never going to amount to anything, all they do is spend all day spamming /his/ and all they end up doing is getting mad in their own shitty bait threads."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>Original Hebrew\nMy point still stands. The original Hebrew word for \"evil\" (Ra) used in the verse means exactly what it says"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>post porn and get b&\nnah man not evereyone is christarded like you"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nis it you in the pic? daaaamn, when is the suicide, are you livestreaming it?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nYeah man, just do the world a favor and end your life. Nobody will miss you. Not in this world, and not when you're destroyed by God."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nshouldn't have:\n1. being a massive faggot\n2. posting your boypussy for all to see\nit's now done so, welp"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo you know you can avoid punishment, but refuse to do so because of pride despite believing that avoiding pain is the greatest good, all the while calling other who know a good choice when they hear one as mentally ill?\n>The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nYou think this word exclusively means evil? https://biblehub.com/hebrew/ra_7451.htm"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\n>The greatest good is cucking to existential blackmail\nNever change, Christcucks"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>https://biblehub.com/hebrew/ra_7451.htm\nYeah, read through it yourself"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarcion was right"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nYou're clearly blind then"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP makes straw man arguments."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>a christcuck thread died for this\nfix'd\nalso this is literally you and your fellow discord troons:\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nDoesn’t that mean “faggot” in Mexican?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nYou don't even understand what you are attacking."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah if you turn away from God you will be a prey for demons that also have turned away from God and they are eager to drag you down into their own place of damnation just to torture you as you are being tortured.\nAnd the worst torture is to not be able to see God in all his magnificence and the second worse is the worm of conscience knowing you fucked up for eternity.\nThis is consequence for your actions because you have free will (like the fallen angels have) and you even refused to appeal to God's infinite mercy and repent.\nYou have been warned thousand times and there is no argument you can pick up it's literally how it is and you can't dodge or counterargument."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nHow is God's mercy infinite if he tortures those who don't accept it forever? That's not really a mercy to begin with."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nThere cannot be mercy without free will.\nFree will has to contemplate refusing God to the most catastrophic consequence otherwise you're just a meat puppet.\nIf God possessed \"mercy\" as you describe you wouldn't have free will."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n> Ephesians 1:4-5: “Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before him in love he predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of his will.”\nThe Bible makes it clear that those who are saved are already predetermined as such, therefore your argument about free will isn't theologically sound"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>Free will has to contemplate refusing God to the most catastrophic consequence otherwise you're just a meat puppet.\nAre you retarded?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nIf there were a box that only had a treasure in it if I willed it, then I would will it. Those who don't just to prove a foolish point have no place in heaven. His mercy costs nothing and is free to everyone. What does your disobedience amount to anyway? There is literally nothing worth doing that doesn't bring glory to God."}, {"id": 33, "content": "Don't you see that this is the only way for the demons that are holding something over your life, demons who all they want is for accidents to happen in the highway, demons who only want to see you lose as badly as possible, as sick as possible, as lost as possible that you don't even you why some things must be?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nDo you lack such awareness that life is one continuous blackmail?\nDo atheists unironically think that they consented of being born before they existed and force to live in a world that's certainly trying to replace them opposed to one that doesn't?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're retarded. 99% of the Bible is symbolic, it just looks literal if you are some stupid uneducated fuck without any knowledge in linguistics and hermeneutics.\n\nSin is that which is not of God. If Heaven is perfection or God incarnate than sin cannot \"physically\" exist in his presence. If you are unclean, you will be an eternal being cast into the void with the others. After you know what you missed, and will never have. That is when you will curse God, cry, and gnash your teeth."}, {"id": 36, "content": "Well I needed to hear that I guess"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How important was the western theatre to the civil war? I’d imagine that new Ireland and the Mississippi were the most significant aspect of the west. Feel free tot all about trade, important battles, whatever."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*New Orleans, not “New Ireland”. Retard moment on my part."}, {"id": 3, "content": "The western theater served as an avenue of military operations by Union armies directly into the agricultural heartland of the South via the major rivers of the region (the Mississippi, the Tennessee, and the Cumberland).\n\nLack of food ment Lee had to advance into Maryland for foraging and supply, exposing his army to massacres on two occasions"}, {"id": 4, "content": "The land battles are interesting but the river actions are unique in naval history. The Union built an ironclad flotilla early in the war that had a lot to do with Grant’s success, but they also had non armored gunboats, many of them crewed for a while by a private navy, the Ellet family. The Tebs countered with a few crude ironclads, and “cottonclads”, unarmed fast steamboat with cotton bales piled around the machinery that made kamikaze runs to ram Union ironclads and managed to cripple a few. Then there’s Farragut’s blue water flotilla that steamed up the Mississippi. I could sperg out forever on this topic but will let you go some research. It’s crazy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAny books you’d recommend? Also, feel free to sperg out as much as you want."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNone off the top of my head but any book on the campaigns for the Mississippi will have beaucoup boats. One wacky sideshow I didn’t mention is the Union’s Red River campaign of 1864, which was supposed to be a mop up operation in a theater isolated from the rest of the Confederacy, but it turned into a fiasco where the Union nearly lost their whole ironclad fleet."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nthis seems cool thanks"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nhttps://civilwarmonths.com/2023/02/25/deluded-people-cave-in/\nHere’s probably the greatest prank of the war. The Rebs captured a Union ironclad so the Yankees built a fake ironclad from an old coal barge and floated it by Vicksburg. The Confederate batteries blasted away and couldn’t sink it, so they freaked out and scuttled their captured ship."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If Christianity is true and you want people to buy into it, why didnt any prophet or Jesus just straight up be like\n>thousand years from now people are going to discover little things called Atoms that have protons, neutrons and electrons. They make up all of matter\n>in the year 2000 there will be something called the internet where people from all over the world can communicate with each other via electricity and wavelengths\n\nthose are actual prophecies.\nNot \"Judea will be conquered. The temple will be destroyed\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">hey Christcucks, if your religion is true why isn't there any proof\n>NO NOT THAT PROOF\n>I want proof that matches the incredibly arbitrary criteria I just made up don't have it huh looks like I win again"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>NO NOT THAT PROOF\nYeah nah the voices you hear in your head aren't proof. Does that upset you?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey have no answer so they’ll try to insult you."}, {"id": 5, "content": "This is one of those ridiculous questions. It's like atheists want the Bible to be a science book rather than a spiritual book. Plus the fact that if God just revealed all the mysteries of the universe then there would be no excitement of making new scientific discoveries."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's already plenty of stuff like that.\n\nYou've never even read or studied it or even tried looking this up. Why should anyone spoonfeed someone so lazy? All you atheists want to do is have a little tantrum, vent, and dab on the heckin christ chuds. See: >>4 proving my point.\n\nGet a life and stop spamming /his/ with your little discord groomer group already. You losers have made this board practically unusable with your endless baby tantrums."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nvery spiritual\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 8, "content": "God only wants you, he doesn't need you. Nobody needs to engage with your disingenuousness"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>There's already plenty of stuff like that.\nThe Bible predicts computers and the internet?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Christcucks\n\nOpinion discarded.\nOP is a faggot."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReligion generally and Christianity specifically reveals universal truths which are applicable to all people at all times (relevancy) and also those that are essential to the health and safety of the soul (faith). Although true religion and science do not contradict, religious texts are not meant to be taken as scientific texts. There are other books, such as encyclopedias which are more voluminous and suited toward this purpose. Books like the bible omit details which are plainly evident to the human senses, or which are not relevant to his eternal salvation. Also, if you predict a discovery, you just caused it to be discovered thus ruining the prediction."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Atoms proton electrons\npleb, pic related\n>Not \"Judea will be conquered. The temple will be destroyed\"\nWhy aren't those prophecies?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>Why aren't those prophecies?\nTheyre as much of a prophecy as people predicting the stock market crashing, like multiple people did in 2007.\n\nMeanwhile, predicting the advent of computers, robots, ai in a pre-electricity society is so out there, you would literally need God to tell you."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause your salvation means more than than physics and technology."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nThe point of the question went way over your head."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I want prophecies from two thousands years ago\n>addressed to people from two thousands years ago\n>to be specifically about my time and its scientific knowledge\n>not the scientific knowledge from 200 years ago or the one from 2000 years in the future, no, the one about my specific era\nBut why?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf it was true the bible should have mentioned something that would be impossible for humans to know like\n\nBlack Holes\n\"Out there in thy creation there exist those that lack radiance drawing near all that exists bringing their being into an end for eternity\"\n\nPathogens\n\"And so say to thee those hidden travelers all over the known world your are their vessel\"\n\nRadiation\n\"Thou stood on the mountain high as all yet thou had fallen moments later thine hair fell off and thou had become very ill\""}, {"id": 18, "content": "There is no answer because it isn't true.\nEvery 'accurate' prophesy in the bible was actually written after the result in question, then back-projected to before it. The book of Isiah predicting the Baylonian activity is but one example.\nAnd any random bullshit that is patently false is now 'uh it was always a metaphor!' because they want to memoryhole the long history of their religion touting random bullshit as truth.\nAt the end of the day, it's there to divorce people from their hard earned money every Sunday, and to keep the rabble in check; anyone saying the emperor has no clothes just won't be tolerated."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Prophecies are stupid in general because it assumes the world has an ending that is short term like thousands of years from now not 5 billion years from now"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\nSuch as? Don't even bother with the usual \"muh m-meaning\" cope."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbecause the message of Christ was for your soul which is eternal not for the body which will die.\nChrist focused on what really mattered not the things of this world but the things to come"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThe point of the question is the Christian God proving he exists for all of mankind."}, {"id": 23, "content": "God is concerned about eternal things, not knowledge of the Earth that will come to nothing. You are not a Jew so you wouldn't care about the temple. It means nothing to you. God is God not even because he reveals himself but why not just go to a prophet and receive your prophetic word over your life? HURRY!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/live/q8uL2IvCAYI?feature=share"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>12\nJudea had already been conquered by Jesus's time. It's not really a prophecy if you're predicting something that has already happened.\nAlso, is the traditional interpretation that the prophecy about the temple being destroyed was supposed to be about Jesus himself being executed? Not the literal temple being destroyed?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Purest Jews are Ashkenazi Levites R1a\n\nThroughout history, many famous great men, talented politicians, genius commanders and strong leaders were descendants of Indo European including numerous American presidents of the United States.\n\nThe Levite R1a is an original ancient Jewish lineage (Israelite, technically - this is before the rebellion of the northern tribes). R1a belongs to Indo European haplogroups together with R1b. More than 50% Ashkenazi Levites belong to haplogroup R1a.\nPMID: 13680527 PMCID: PMC1180600 doi: 10.1086/378506 .\n\nTorah account is that Moses and Aaron were themselves Levites.\nTorah describes the Levites as Fierce ( Indo Europeans are famous for conquering ).\nTorah places just as much emphasis on Gevurah (precise or exacting judgment) as on Chesed (loving kindness or caritas).\nOne gets the idea that the original Levites were not people to be trifled with.\n\nIndo European is responsible for spreading Lactose Tolerance Gene.\n- Milk and the Indo-Europeans doi.org/10.1075/z.215.13gar .\n\nMost of us are familiar with Bible verses that include “the land of milk and honey”, the Bible mentions milk more than fifty times in the Old Testament.\n\nTherefore, the original ancient Jewish lineage is the R1a Indo European Y-DNA haplogroup.\n\nAshkenazim by Haplogroup\nMuh Indo European and Milk\nMuh Chosen People and Milk\nExodus 3:8 Numbers 14:8 Deuteronomy 31:20 Ezekiel 20:15"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>t. Robert Sepehr\nYou will never be white, Shlomo"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAshkenaz Jews are Whiter than Russians"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>t."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKohanim are J1. They are the high priests - descendants of Aaron."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nPurest Ashkenazi Jew, true chosen chad"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nkek, thread over, everyone go home"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nBack to the oven faggot demon"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\ncan J1 drink milk ?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>5\n>Y-chromosomal Aaron is the name given to the hypothesized most recent common ancestor of the patrilineal Jewish priestly caste known as Kohanim (singular \"Kohen\", also spelled \"Cohen\"). According to the traditional understanding of the Hebrew Bible, this ancestor was Aaron, the brother of Moses.\n\nKohanim have very low frequency of R1a."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nwhy do non-Ashkenazim kin look more like Arabs than jews?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nEven lactose intolerant farmers drank milk."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews aren't Levites.\nAshkenazis aren't Levites."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nAshkenazis have more European admixture."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nBut Levites more than 50% R1a and Ability to drink Raw Milk came from R1a\n\nTorah mentioned about Milk a lot"}, {"id": 16, "content": "If the jews have high amount of red hair it doesn't imply they're white, it implies red hair is not necessarily a white trait. Seeing that quarter chink Udmurts have the highest frequency it's probably not a European trait but a mutation that appears in multiple races."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nLevites are minor priests, Kohanim are direct paternal descendants of Aaron. Kohanim are 1% R1a and 75-80% J1."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>We wuz as European as North Indians originally!\nIs what you're saying? And? That's every other Middle Easterner before the Arabs mixed most of them up into one hodge podge. Even if it was true and Levites are some Kassite/etc. types then that still changes very little besides maybe jews themselves beginning to wank their newfound ancestry more in media\n>>3\n>white gene\nnice ms paint skills\n>muh milk\nperfect lactose tolerance throughout the whole life is not required for milk consumption. Shepherds just have abundance of it. In fact it only evolved in Iron Age Denmark."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nAaron was the great-grandson of Levi\n\nWhile Levi is R1a\n\nso 75-80% J1 ???\n\nR1a have original lactose tolerance gene\n\nJ1 does not"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nGoogle Global Admixture Analysis K6"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\nFirst we had mordvinx, now there's this fucking schizo who keeps posting this chart with Russians and telling everyone how Russians allegedly aren't white."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nHe's not.\n\n>The Levites comprised a lower rank of the Temple priests. They are considered descendants of Levi through other lineages.\n\nHaplogroups don't have genes like this. There's also no evidence that ancient Israelites were lactose tolerant. Farmers and Yamnaya consumed milk despite being lactose intolerant."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nWhitest Russian Father"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nPolitical interest conflict among in group when in come to blood quantum"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nyou'll never be white, kike"}, {"id": 26, "content": "All kikes deserve a bullet"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nLook very White"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nstop with your schizo nonsense, the shroud of turin is a proven fake you idiot"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nShroud Turin is true\nnew technology proved that\nhttps://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nbased schizo retard with fake graphs"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>Italian author\n>published in irrelevant journal\n>new technology no one else is using\nit's always like this, lol"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\ngoogle is Free , Global Admixture Analysis K6"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>29\n>cancerous judeo-christcuck propaganda site\nlmao\n\nbtw the blue K6 admixture is not \"white\", it's \"western eurasian\" which includes whites and semites"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nWestern Eurasian are White gene\n\nStop using American double Standards define White"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">/pol/tards think milk is poisonous to non-europeans\n>meanwhile mongols and turkics consume the same amount, if not more while being lactose intolerant\nfucking retard."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nno it's not, it's also not a gene, you worthless dunning kruger jewish schizo. Try k8 or k12 testings to actually see who's white and who isn't"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nBrother you do realise there are at the very least 5 different Russian populations? Which one are you using in your graph?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nthe point of argument is Why Torah so obsessed with Milk if original ancestors cannot drink raw milk without getting diarrhea ?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\ncope nonwhite"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\nhttp://racialreality.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html\n\nThere are Siberian \"Russian\" have their own bar genes ."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nInaccurate map.\nThere are three genes for lactose intolerance and two of them are localized entirely within Africa."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nTolerance*\nI mean there are three genes for lactose tolerance. And two only occur in Africa (in the Sahel and Ethiopia to be exact)"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nThat map was removed from wikipedia due to being a fake."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nEthiopian are half White"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>35\n>Balkans 40 to 70\nBullshit"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>40\nUse other calculators, this one doesn't work for Russians because it groups Northern Russians together with Central and Southern ones. All three of those are completely different groups and cluster with different ethnicities. Northern Russians is what your graph shows. Russians from Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Uhta and other areas up north have a slight Finno-Ugric admixture. That's why their bar looks very similar to the Finns. Southern and Central Russians have the same finno-ugric admixture as the rest of Europe. Get rekt, retard."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>43\nWhat the hell is Papadalopoulos doing drinking all that milk?\nAlso, you'd think Afghanistan would consume a lot of milk but maybe they're only measuring cows milk.\nUnsurprising that steppe people like the Kazakhs drink a shit ton of it despite being technically intolerant though."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nAre Chechens counted as Russian ?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>38\ngut bacteria that aids in digestion of milk in specifically mongols is still being researched, it is extremely likely lactose intolerant asiatic steppe populations developed ways to circumvent it without undergoing mutations."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nChechens are a northern caucasian ethnic group, they aren't eastern Europeans and don't cluster with Russians/Ukrainians. They cluster with other Caucasus area groups like Ingush people"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nAshkenazi Jews have more East Asian admixture than other Jewish groups"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>white genes"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>turanic look\nfucking schizo kek"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>44\nNot the same gene though.\n>>35\nI'm on their side but they really struggle when it comes to not mythologizing their beliefs.\n>>51\n>he thinks Jews look turanic.\nI do admit the admixture from china is weird as fuck though."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nLook exotic through , but more exotic with blonde beard or red beard"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMy haplogroupe is e1b1 my paternal grandfather was a levite we are levantine stop trying to claim us"}, {"id": 57, "content": "Ashkenazi aesthetic superiority"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nNorthern African is E1b1 bro\n\nThe Ashkenaz Elites are Ashkenazi Levites are more than R1a bro\n\nEb1b1 have Big eyes\n\nR1a tend to have Small eyes"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nAshkenazi R1a Chosen race"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>t. homosexual jew attracted to Adam Kadmon androgyny\nAll kikes deserve the gallows"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nAgain my grandfather was a levite and I am e1b1 you are just trying to claim us Ashkenazim as your own becuase you no we are the master race but we are not yours we are levantine get over it, big eyes are a semetic/mediteranian trait"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nagain, why do Rabbi Shais Taub have small eye ?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2MSO5Hxvz8 [Embed]"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nBased"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nProbly cuase he's an old man squinting, what makes him elite?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\n\nR1a and J1 stand next together\nR1a Big thick beard\nR1a Taller\n\nJ1 patchy beard\nJ1 Shorter"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nHaplogroupe is not autosomal dna retard it doesn't influence physical features I could make niggers with any haplogroupe through selective breeing"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nAshkenaz Jews are the most selective breeding bro\n\nhttps://www.sefaria.org/Pesachim.49b.2?lang=bi\n\n\nThe Sages taught: A person should always be willing to sell all he has in order to marry the daughter of a Torah scholar. If he cannot find the daughter of a Torah scholar, he should marry the daughter of one of the great people of the generation, who are pious although they are not Torah scholars. If he cannot find the daughter of one of the great people of the generation, he should marry the daughter of one of the heads of the congregations. If he cannot find the daughter of one of the heads of the congregations, he should marry the daughter of one of the charity collectors. If he cannot find the daughter of one of the charity collectors, he should marry the daughter of one of the schoolteachers. However, he should not marry the daughter of an ignoramus [am ha’aretz] because they are vermin and their wives are similar to a creeping animal, as their lifestyle involves the violation of numerous prohibitions. And with regard to their daughters the verse states: “Cursed is he who lies with an animal” (Deuteronomy 27:21), as they are similar to animals in that they lack any knowledge or moral sense."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>Ashkenaz Jews are the most selective breeding bro\nI am one and what you posted isn't unique to us it's something all real Jewish communities hold by the Talmud itself was written in bavil moadern day iraq"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nPlease make Hollywood less Woke"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nI don't control Hollywood you dumb nigger"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nSince you are Ashkenaz Chosen Race,\nWhy don't you do something to make the world a better place ?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nI do I keep shabbot study Torah and display racism to blacks"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>14\nNah, Indo Europeans venture into the early Levant while non-Ashkenazim were raped by Ishmaelites during the 7th century."}, {"id": 74, "content": "Ashkenazi financial superiority"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nAshkenazi Leader Superiority"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>75\nPost Meir har zion"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>44\nGo home Yohannes. 62% of Ethiopians? Kek habeshas don’t even make up 40% of the country"}, {"id": 78, "content": "God I wish I could be jüdische instead of goyishe"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nAssyrian was Great , now Assyrian do not have their own nation\n\nAshkenaz Chosen still struggle with Israel\nand Ashkenazi Chosen Hasidic Race still live in Brooklyn"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's true I'm an Ashkenazi Jew and I basically look like Santa Klaus. Don't @ me, goyim."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo Jews still use the Babylonian duodecimal/sexagesimal or did they accepted the hindu-arabic-european decimal goyslop"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\nis it kosher to say Ho ho h0 ?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nKek"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>58\nNo. E is Semitic and R1a is Asian."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHello.\nI am looking into when and how the jews migrated into Germany and refused to Integrate, as I understand most cultures do.\nI am new in researching history and have mostly been using language and my family name as a guide.\nI can't find much information on \"jewish immigration to germany\" because there are 6 million websites about the holocaust and jews leaving Germany between 1900 and 1940.\nAny help would be appreciated."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>11\nlarry david is ashkenazi"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>29\n>Lo studio, disponibile on line[5], è stato effettuato nei laboratori IC-CNR della sede di Bari, in collaborazione con il prof. G. Fanti dell’Università di Padova.\nLmao, it's the same bullshit as always, Fanti is an obsessed schizo who does nothing but invent tons of meme methods to prove that his beloved shroud is genuine. Nobody takes him seriously except for online tradlarpers."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">atheist schizos are so mad that instead of their regular spam, they're now spamming gay porn"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy is this board so full of schizos? it's the only one where I can name well over a dozen spammers"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Finally, Rickyschizo has an equally homosexual opponent."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nBecause history attracts schizos from /pol/ and pinkos from /leftypol/"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n/pol/ will never be as racist as the average /his/ or /int/ user, go back to your containment board.\n>>2\nLeftie fags like most losers got into history by the althistory-commie pipeline, history has one of the lowest bars for entry so the troons flock to spread their shit takes like a moth to the flame"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nShut the fuck up you stupid nigger I am infinitely more racist than you, you go back to/pol/ faggot."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>Some mystery meat moor thinks he's racist for hating his fellow colored folk\nNgmi"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI'm Jewish.\nNow lick my toes and suck on my greasy lox."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nThis is it right here. The shortest and most apt description of this shithole. Just a bunch of brown retards arguing to \"correct the record\" on what ackshually happened and how their side could have won."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "WWII wasn't even 100 years ago. That's one human lifetime approximately.\n\nDo you realize how many cultural changes, media, creation and destruction has the human race experienced through the XX and XXI century, plus all the living people that coexist today?\nLike really look to your surroundings, all the changes that happened and now gone, over and over again, in everything, from furniture to social customs, even the food you eat.\n\nYou pick the 80s or the 00s or today and is not remotely the same. Times in the past weren't this \"fast paced\". You can't keep up. I feel like there are so many things in the world, that I can't keep up, I get overwhelmed and left behind.\n\nHuman progress and advancement, knowledge, customs, information, life in general didn't had such speed centuries ago. What is happening?\nAren't we living to fast?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>from furniture\nNothing's stopping you from still using couches, TVs and refrigerators from the 50s\n>social customs\nDependent on where you live, and doesn't really matter that much anymore with the internet\n>even the food you eat\nNothing's stopping you from cooking recipes from the 50s"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're literally making this thread to terrorize me for buying a bbq chicken sandwhich (on sale, last kind, not even the one I wanted to buy) because you think you should be allowed to force me to live as \"a medieval peasant\" so that you can self identify as a king by forcing me to self-identify as \"a peasant\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nalso the only reason why I even went to the store to buy a sandiwch is because you terrorize me for eating hot pockets and hungry mans that my dad left me"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nalso the bbq sauce was sweet and kinda gross, not spicy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah its quite scary. The internet has certainly changed the way we think of time.\nI can remember my grandmother, who died in 2010. She would always casually mention the \"war\" and the german blitz and what she did and so on. Back then I too young to give a shit, but I wish I could ask her about her experiences again."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI know what you mean. Even 10 years ago feels like an entire different universe, culturally and politically speaking. 2013 might as well have been 50 fucking years ago, it's so different to now. I don't understand why things are changing so quickly."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n10 years ago is literally identical to right now, we've been stuck since ~2007"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSilicon chips are slowing progress finally."}, {"id": 10, "content": "You have a point OP\n\nCan anyone really state the differences between 1100 AD and 1200 AD advancement wise?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts on St. Ignatius of Antioch?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI dont know who that is. Why did you ask me? I'm not even a christian"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Thoughts on this quote by him?\n>See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the priests as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do\nanything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is given either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the\nbishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIncredibly based, but I like Irenaeus slightly better for his work Against Heresies."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHis life is amazing. Questionable what he even wrote. Half of his letters are universally seen as forgeries from a later age, while the rest is called into question here and there."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The Jews' God Yahweh of the Old Testament is against human sacrifice. What Jesus did was wrong. That's why God forsake him at the end of Mark and he died in vain."}, {"id": 2, "content": "This! By the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so much this!\n\nEdit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger\n\nEdit 2: 327 upvotes for this? Haha wow that's the most I've ever gotten, thanks guys and gals and everything in between!\n\nEdit 3: WTF 600 upvotes wow thank you all so much this is the best birthday ever\n\nEdit 4: Thanks for all the birthday wishes fellow r/wooooshers. I tippeth mine hat to thee on this pleasant morrow.\n\nEdit 5: Ok, so this went viral overnight for some reason O_o 2000 motherflipping upboats I really have no words thank you all so much it means a lot!\n\nEdit 6: ok I'm noticing some toxic discussion happening in this reply chain and I feel the need to address it. Sexism and racism are not cool guys, so please cool it and continue the good vibes please and thank you!\n\nEdit 7: ok so I don't know why but I've received a lot of downvotes on this post recently, maybe i got raided by 4chan.com/b?? (commonly referred to as the \"asshole of the internet\" for those who aren't aware). I don't really ask for much but I was hoping we could show those losers a thing or two, so please give this post an upvote if you haven't already, it would mean the world to me and show these bullies you cannot mess with a good person.\n\nEdit 8: turns out my girlfriend cheated on me, so that happened :/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nReally makes you seethe when I point out you're part of a cult that worships human sacrifice, huh? Disgusting.\n\nHow about this one: You also drink your cult leader's blood, which Yahweh specifically commanded not to do."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSure, Jesus was a human sacrifice:\nEphesians 5:2\n>and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.\n\nBut lets remember that the God he's being sacrificed to, YHVH, also demanded that Abraham sacrifice his own son (sound familiar?) Isaac in the O.T. It's clear that YHVH is appeased by blood sacrifice, otherwise Abraham wouldn't have believed him in the first place"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Very clearly vicarious atonement is present: Isaiah 53, 4 Maccabees 6:28-29"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah but I actually worship Wr-alda, and basically you're a fag."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did Western beauty standards change so drastically in the XX century? From a hourglass figure like Marylin Monroe in the 1950s to the skinny, boyish of the 1990s.\n\nCan the the meatier, hip hop influenced Western beauty standards of the 2010s / 2020s be considered a return to the aesthetics of the 1950s?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>skinny, boyish\nskinny, boyish heroic chic"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>From a hourglass figure like Marylin Monroe in the 1950s to the skinny, boyish of the 1990s.\nHomosexuals took over the fashion industry. I think you're borderline retarded if you didn't know the answer."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>suddenly White women begin cutting fat to attract White men\njewbros...."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's gone turbo both ways to be fair\n\non the one hand, yeah, the exuberance of volume via liposculpting and muscule hypertrophy, obsesed with ass (popular aesthetics)\n\nbut on the other, an embrace of pro-ana thinness paired with muscle definition and longevity strategizing, fixiated on abs (elite aesthetics)\n\nfor me it's natural skinny, those are universally hot girls everywhere"}, {"id": 6, "content": "this is the kind of body white men prefer, if you don't prefer this you're not white or a jew"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Feminine men prefer women with more pedomorphic traits\n\nMasculine men prefer women with mature/maternal traits\n\nNow you know why Asian guys and white nerds are into skinny petite women"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>for me it's natural skinny, those are universally hot girls everywhere\nthis"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>asian men\npetite pedomorphic women\n>niggers\nfat women with cottage cheese ass\n>white men\nTALL and LITHE women"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust found out I'm black"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nthis pic pisses me off bc her face looks like a blend of four different ethnicities perfectly engineered for instagram \"exotic but still kinda white\" style women"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\n>>9\nBased feminine/asian men"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nnailed it"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nt. feminine man"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>1683150039710085.jpg"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What if Atlantis really existed?\nWould it be a global super power, or would it peak centuries ago and be like modern day nations that have been around since antiquity."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWasn't Atlantis a Greek city that sank into the sea?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt's in the Atlantic Ocean."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nIn the Platonic dialogue, it was a civilization which existed outside Gibraltar in the middle of the sea and it was defeated by Athens in battle after conquering most of the world. This is in the Timaeus-Critias."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nSounds like an ordinary port city in the Mediterranean."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nIts a meme Socrates made up to use as example in one of his ideology."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt conquered the entirety of Asia Minor if Plato is to be believed."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>conquered Asia Minor"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">literally found entire cities under the sea around Japan, Cuba and a bunch of other places\n>\"NOOOO ATLANTIS DIDN'T EXIST STOP TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW!!!! STOOOP!!!\"\nhistorians have completely destroyed their own reputation, if they ever had any"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nWe have more evidence of Atlantis than of the Holocaust"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nIt also (supposedly) did this 12,000 years ago which is much less impressive because the area was all hunter-gatherers at the time."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>>literally found entire cities under the sea around Japan, Cuba and a bunch of other places\n[Citation Required]"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nIt was probably just Tartessos\n>by the Atlantic ocean\n>rich as fuck\n>the area is within the range of the Azores–Gibraltar Transform Fault which has historically produced earthquakes and tsunamis, like the ones which have absolutely wrecked Lisbon in mid-XVIII century"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nSchizos consider this proof of Atlantis along with some other formations found off the coast of Japan.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimini_Road"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nI've literally dove Bimini road and it's nothing. There are tons of rock patches just like it, only not straight. I knew it would just be the typical skitzo \"proof\" though."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">ywn be bullied and perhaps molested by him at Eton"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Who?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking why have the good guys always been color coded blue?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews are not good"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSettle down, Reifag."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>unknown\nno but the tories are"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen was this ever the case?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCold war meme."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's because it's a Jewish tradition to use some blue tassels when weaving the tassels of the tzitzit.\n\nAs for why the ones set up to be the bad guys are red, it's because in the Torah, the evil twin brother of Jacob-Israel was called Edom, which means red."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>make my faction blue\n>win\nI'm a genius I know."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nopposite"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe color red is associated with violence in our brains"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nprobably this, but I'd assume it has more to do with the way cultural appreciation of color developed in the ancient Near East and Greco-Roman worlds. The Chinese world looks at color somewhat differently than the West"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>violence = bad\nHi Shlomo"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nYou're retarded jews foster war"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>pic\nThat just looks like victory"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\nlol i thought the thumbnail was of a desert with some weird shadows and rocks"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he believes in \"good guys\" of history\nBased."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nNapoleonic Wars\nAmerican Revolution\nCold War\nModern Democrats vs Republicans\nModern times (OP pic rel)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nso, you are fan of nazis\n:D"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nYes"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>good guys always been color coded blue?\nBut these aren't blue?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nBecause both were evil. Still the least evil side won. (And guess what? Some Soviet flags used blue)"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Because both were evil\nDefine evil"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\nShalom literally means \"peace\" you disingenuous kike"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe absence of good"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThat would include the USA"}, {"id": 26, "content": "No one really know, it simply happens to be the case"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nBased pic. Rugby is truly the White Man's Sport."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>20\nThose aren't good guys either?"}, {"id": 29, "content": "Based and Tengri-pilled."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nI guess that means that niggers don't behave violently because they sometimes say \"peace\" as a goodbye too."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>nato are the good guys\n\nyou fucken NPCs never cease to amaze me"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Red is an angry color. Blue is a calm color"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\n>Those aren't good guys either"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Thoughts on Byzantine Catholicism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCringe and cucked"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStill just as gay as regular Catholicism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeyond BASED. Makes prots and orthos seethe uncontrollably."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPart of the Church of the True Faith, just like any of the other 23 sui iuris."}, {"id": 6, "content": "fuck byzfags"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Why are Syrian, Lebanon, and Chaldean Catholic still a little more Western like, and not more Byzantine?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>1 (OP)\n\nwhat would be the russian equivalent of outremer and crusaders?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">falls off hard after the second punic war season, mostly filler arcs or shitty reruns after"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">history is le tv show"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nfor people here it basically is"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">The year 1919 has arrived\n>A herd of fuckin’ ugly zydoks are rushing in from the east\nWhat do?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">it's another western chuds worships my failed state episode\ntiresome"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown\nNow this is some schizo shit."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npic rel\n\n>>2\nWhere's your precious USSR faggot?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>West Slavic shithole with a gay socialist government vs. East Slavic shithole with a gay socialist government\nI'll get the popcorn"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>namefag doesn't know the difference between the year 1919 and the year 1940"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>zydoks\nRetard"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nPoland lives, Soviet Union or Nazi Germany don’t."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nSanacja Poland and the Second Republic as a whole are gone though"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\n>if you don't worship this failed ideology you worship that failed ideology\nYou're not White btw."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>t. kike"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>t. failed ideologue"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>t. kike rat"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nWhat was the failed ideology of interwar Finland? Parliamentarism?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "One February morning in 1992, seventy nine year old Stella Liebeck was seated in the passenger's seat of her grandson's Ford Probe as they were purchasing breakfast at a McDonalds drive-through in Albuquerque. While positioning the Styrofoam cup between her legs (the car did not have cupholders) so she could add sugar and cream to it, Liebeck accidentally tipped it over and dumped its steaming hot contents into her lap. Her cotton pants held the coffee next to her skin, resulting in extensive burns to her thighs, pelvic area, and genitals. Taken to the hospital, she was found to have burns over 22% of her body, 6% being third degree ones, and had to receive skin grafts. At nearly 80, Liebeck was slow to heal compared to a younger person and it took a total of two years to recover.\n\nShe sued McDonalds after they offered her a settlement of only $800 when she had $18k in total medical expenses. Her attorney Reed Morgan charged McDonalds with gross negligence for serving coffee at temperatures of 180-190F, which could cause third degree burns in under six seconds. He argued that most restaurants served hot drinks at much lower temperatures than that. McDonalds argued that the extremely hot coffee temperatures were so customers who purchased meals at drive throughs could have their coffee stay hot longer while on the road, but research into this found that many customers drank the coffee immediately after purchasing it.\n\nAs things would have it, more than 700 persons were burned by excessively hot McDonalds coffee over the last decade. The fast food giant's quality assurance manager, Chris Appleton, said that any food over 130F could cause burns to the mouth and throat. Nothing was done because the company did not deem it a big enough problem to warrant attention. They could also offer no satisfactory explanation as to why the coffee cups had no warning label on them."}, {"id": 2, "content": "A jury found that McDonalds was mostly responsible due to negligence, while Stella Liebeck had possibly displayed poor judgement in holding a hot coffee cup between her legs. After wrangling over the proposed terms of the settlement, the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed sum in 1994.\n\nThe lawsuit did not result in McDonalds lowering the temperature of their coffee, which continued to be in the neighborhood of 160-190F, however other restaurant chains such as Starbucks and Burger King serve coffee at similar or greater temperatures. It did result in McDonalds applying a warning label to coffee cups.\n\nStella Liebeck passed away in 2004 at the age of 91. Her daughter claimed she did not recover from the strain of the burning and lawsuit, and that the cash settlement from McDonalds was used to pay for in-home nursing care. Liebeck's family do not agree with the notion that it was a frivolous lawsuit. Liebeck, an English immigrant, had worked at Foley's Supermarket for 25 years before retiring and was far from a grifter or someone out to extort money. \"She thought she'd been genuinely wronged.\" said her grandson."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">eating breakfast at McDonalds\nAbsolutely subhuman."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI remember this case still being referenced in the 2000s like she was just trying to cash out on some frivolous grievance. The truth was that coffee was actually extremely hot and her wounds were serious.\n>180-190F\nWhy does the coffee need to be that hot? I always hate it when warm drinks are given to you too hot to even sip it so you have to wait 10 minutes to actually taste it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI live in Europe and this type of lawsuit where you basically sue companies for your own stupidity and end up winning millions of dollars are seen as something typically American.\n\nFuck McDonald's though."}, {"id": 6, "content": "I remember the pre-warning label cups when I was a small child. The oldskool styrofoam McDonalds coffee cups. I think I also remember my mom mentioning the woman getting burned so they put the warnings on the cups now."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">I remember this case still being referenced in the 2000s like she was just trying to cash out on some frivolous grievance. The truth was that coffee was actually extremely hot and her wounds were serious."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Coffee doesn't even taste good at that high a temperature."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Should you adopt an obsessive schizo persona in a bid to get replies to genuine history posts?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Currently developing a Catholic bot that utilizes semantic search on vector embeds to answer questions related to the faith. Currently vector embedded sources are Denzinger's Enchidrion and the CCC. Plan to add more things later. Please ask questions so I can test the bot!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat was Melito of sardis' old testament canon?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat did Pope Gregory the great say about Maccabees in his commentary on Job?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "AI is satanic."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat was Augustine view of Christ's presence within the Eucharist?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho was the Rock in Matthew 16:18 according the the early church fathers?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Please ask questions so I can test the bot!\nYou aren't supposed to be running a bot. You can manually submit your own questions gathered from people but no automation.\nNot a Catholic, not Protestant, and I'm a christian. Here is what I would tell your bot:\nWhat are you doing to obey God in Christ Jesus to quell satanic forces on earth?\nDo you know about the current political storms that say white people are all racists and they have privilege and white people do not suffer and have never suffered and only black people do?\nWhy don't you bring up how the Nazi Germans killed all white people in prisons and in the cities they held because they knew the US army was coming? You realize millions of white people suffered and died?\nWhat about the Civil War with regards to white suffering?\nWhat about that it was white people who colonized America first? The Great Depression? The First War for Scottish Independence?\nThe First Christians who were fed in the Roman Gladiator events?\nAgain not a Catholic but what about all the Catholics that the Catholic Church got killed? Is there no authority that can hold accountable within their own church the ones who caused so many millions in loss of white people's lives by trying to force catholicism upon the earth?\nWith that said, Asia suffers as well. Everybody suffers no matter race or religion. Even christians. So if there is no Order to human suffering to escape it, what is the point in a God at all? Surely worshiping the true God ends human suffering altogether for everyone. Don't you agree?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Why is the church still shielding pedophiles?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>3\n>>2\nAgain, the current vector embedded sources are Denzinger's Enchidrion and the CCC. So this questions don't receive good answers since they rely on heavy history and patristics, which the bot currently doesn't have access to.\nHowever, regarding >>5, it actually answered a good response since the CCC heavily cites Augustine.\nHere's the response:\nSt. Augustine had a deep reverence for the Eucharist, which he considered to be a \"sacrament of devotion\" and a \"sign of unity.\" In fact, he famously exclaimed, \"O sacrament of devotion! O sign of unity! O bond of charity!\" [CCC 1398]. Augustine's view of Christ's presence in the Eucharist was one of awe and wonder, recognizing it as a profound mystery that goes beyond human understanding.\nAugustine affirmed the Catholic belief that Christ is truly and really present in the Eucharist: \"the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained\" [CCC 1374]. According to Augustine's teaching, Christ becomes sacramentally present under the appearances of bread and wine, which are converted through transubstantiation into his body and blood.\nAugustine's writings also reflect the idea of \"concomitance,\" which means that Christ's body and blood are present in their entirety under each of the species of bread and wine. Thus, when the bread is broken, Christ is not divided, since he is present whole and entire in each of the parts. Augustine expressed this idea by saying that \"the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ\" [CCC 1377].\nOverall, Augustine's view of Christ's presence in the Eucharist was one of deep reverence and respect for the mystery of the sacrament. He recognized the significance of the Eucharist in the Church's worship and understood it as a sign of Christ's love and unity with his people."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThis is really cool. I hope you fill this thing with history and patristics."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThe main purpose right now is answering faith-related questions, so I'll be sure it provides good answers before moving on. However, I actually already have the text for the ENTIRE patristics until 4th century tokenized in case I vector embed it in the future. The main reason I didn't do this yet is that I worry it may bloat the semantic search rendering it almost useless. In the future though, I'll certainly see."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAwesome. Will it be available to us when it's done?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nCatholicism is Satanic. The architect behind modern transhumanism was a catholic priest.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">JUDEO-Bolshevism"}, {"id": 2, "content": "they merely happened to be jewish"}, {"id": 3, "content": "ironically enought, chud is jew"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">At the party congress held in August 1917, a total of 29 out of 171 delegates were Jews, the second most represented ethnic group after the Russians; moreover, 6 of 17 Central Committee members were Jews. The Central Committee was responsible for directing party work between congresses. Although many Jews were linked to Trotsky and the opposition to Stalin in the mid- and late 1920s (and no Jews remained in the Politburo following the dismissal of Trotsky, Zinov’ev, and Kamenev in 1926 until the appointment of Lazar’ Kaganovich in 1930), Jews accounted for 10.9 percent of delegates to the Sixteenth Party Congress in 1930. Indeed, they still formed 10.1 percent of the Central Committee in 1939\n>Most important, they were highly overrepresented in the Bolshevik leadership. Significant figures included Iurii Kamenev, Maksim Litvinov, Karl Radek, Iakov Sverdlov, Leon Trotsky, and Grigorii Zinov’ev. This was so blatant that anti-Bolsheviks frequently associated the party with Jews in order to contaminate the party’s public image.\n>Jews remained overrepresented in the party rank and file. Representing just 1.8 percent of the total population in the 1926 census, Jews comprised 5.2 percent of party members in 1922 and 4.3 percent in 1927; in Belorussia, they accounted for 24 percent of the party membership."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe communist cries in pain, he makes a new thread to whine about /pol/."}, {"id": 6, "content": "How did the retarded zydokomuna conspiracy theory live on in Poland even after they suffered the horrors of Nazi Germany? Were they just looking for anyone weak enough to blame and hate as a coping mechanism under Stalinist repression?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt's not a conspiracy, it's fact, the USSR was a Jewish run state till Stalin's late purges"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nSo they were never a majority in any Bolshevik organization? They were just an overrepresented minority like the historians have always said?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nJust happened to be in key roles"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nYes you mealey mouthed weasel, on top of the fact that Marx and Lenin were both Jews and Jews had a massive hand in the USSR, it can be safely said that the nation and its brutality were the result of Jewish leadership.\n\nNow with the added brutality of the junta occupying Palestine it saw to say the Jews owe us trillions in reparations!"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Luxemburg were jews"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou are mentally ill"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>us\nyou're a dumb gook from an island jungle"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">Now with the added brutality of the junta occupying Palestine it saw to say the Jews owe us trillions in reparations!\nLol"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nProjecting again Moshe?\n\nMy ancestors weren’t a bunch of genetically bottlenecked cousin fuckers like yours."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nwtf is this true?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nYou're not White though."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\n>hates Lenin\nsounds White to me"}, {"id": 19, "content": "There were more jews in the Mensheviks because they were more friendly to carving out a jewish state near poland, after the revolution they merged"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>9\n6/17 in leadership positions really isn't a ton\nIf the 11 gentiles wanted something those 6 couldn't have out-voted them"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>>18\nSamefagging shitskin gook go eat pagpag"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\nThere were a shitton of Russians, Caucasians, and Baltics in the Bolshevik government at all levels. If anybody has a right to claim to be unjustly occupied, it's the Central Asians"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI was making a joke about the White army, and I am not and never have been a namefag"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJews are extremely based for both running the communists and capitalist countries."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>6\nLook up Salomon Morel"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaybe, but they also happened to be the biggest traitors to the Soviet Union as well."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">At the party congress held in August 1917, a total of 29 out of 171 delegates were Jews, the second most represented ethnic group after the Russians; moreover, 6 of 17 Central Committee members were Jews. The Central Committee was responsible for directing party work between congresses. Although many Jews were linked to Trotsky and the opposition to Stalin in the mid- and late 1920s (and no Jews remained in the Politburo following the dismissal of Trotsky, Zinov’ev, and Kamenev in 1926 until the appointment of Lazar’ Kaganovich in 1930), Jews accounted for 10.9 percent of delegates to the Sixteenth Party Congress in 1930. Indeed, they still formed 10.1 percent of the Central Committee in 1939\n>Most important, they were highly overrepresented in the Bolshevik leadership. Significant figures included Iurii Kamenev, Maksim Litvinov, Karl Radek, Iakov Sverdlov, Leon Trotsky, and Grigorii Zinov’ev. This was so blatant that anti-Bolsheviks frequently associated the party with Jews in order to contaminate the party’s public image.\n>Jews remained overrepresented in the party rank and file. Representing just 1.8 percent of the total population in the 1926 census, Jews comprised 5.2 percent of party members in 1922 and 4.3 percent in 1927; in Belorussia, they accounted for 24 percent of the party membership."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nput'n the empire back together"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStalin cleansed them all, and the USSR supported Palestine against the Western proxy Israhell."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Jewish Bolshevism, also Judeo–Bolshevism, is an anti-communist and antisemitic canard, which alleges that the Jews were the originators of the Russian Revolution in 1917, and that they held primary power among the Bolsheviks who led the revolution. Similarly, the conspiracy theory of Jewish Communism alleges that Jews have dominated the Communist movements in the world, and is related to the Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory (ZOG), which alleges that Jews control world politics.[1]\n\nAccording to the 1922 Bolshevik party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total, and in the 1920s of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[18] Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[19]\n\nThe October Revolution saw the Bolsheviks seize power in a coup. They were strongly opposed to Judaism (and indeed to any religion) and conducted an extensive campaign to suppress the religious traditions among the Jewish population, alongside traditional Jewish culture.[9][10] In 1918, the Yevsektsiya was established to promote Marxism, secularism and Jewish assimilation into Soviet society, and supposedly bringing communism to the Jewish masses.[11]\n\nIn August 1919 Jewish properties, including synagogues, were seized by the Soviet government and many Jewish communities were dissolved. The anti-religious laws against all expressions of religion and religious education were being taken out on all religious groups, including the Jewish communities. Many rabbis and other religious officials were forced to resign from their posts under the threat of violent persecution."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStop with the mentally ill antisemitic spam, you fool. You clearly need some professional help, and less time on internet."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nStalin CREATED Israel you dumb jigaboo"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nThis type of persecution continued on into the 1920s.[12] Jews were also frequently placed disproportionately on the front lines of Russian wars in the early 1900s as well as WW2. As a result, large numbers of Jews emigrated out of Russia to places like the United States. Changing their family's last name during emigration to reduce perceived risk was not uncommon.[13]"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nStalin didn’t create shit. He saw Israel as potential cleavage for Communism in MENA, and sided with the Arabs when it became clear the Israelis wouldn’t give in to Marxism."}, {"id": 9, "content": "lol synagogues were closed and thousands of Orthodox Jews killed during the 1930s anti-religious campaigns. they're still finding mass graves in Russia."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>This type of persecution continued on into the 1920s.[12] Jews were also frequently placed disproportionately on the front lines of Russian wars in the early 1900s as well as WW2\nmeanwhile in the 21st century United States, Jews have among the lowest rates of military service of any demographic"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nStalin literally voted to establish Israel in the UN. It would never exist if the commies didn't create it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nMy last company commander before I ETS’d was literally a Jewish woman, dumbfuck."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nVoting to RECOGNIZE a country doesn’t “create” anything"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nso did most of the world?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>muh anecdotal evidence\n\nJews are only loyal to Zionism, they have nio loyalty to their host nations you ASVAB waiver"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nDo you know who Zdenek Toman and Rudolf Slansky were?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">29 of 171\n>6 out of 17\nwow, if they voted as a bloc (which they didn't, Zinoviev and Kamenev famously teamed up with Stalin against Trotsky) surely they would... still be outvoted by the goyim\nIt's no secret that Jews, as a minority the Tsars persecuted and as a heavily urbanized demographic, largely backed the Bolsheviks.\nBut they were far from alone in that regard and Balts joined in even greater proportion, despite the USSR not being able to hold onto the Baltic States after WW1."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nMore like Albanian-Armenian-Anatolian-Slavic-rural Greek mutts that speak Greek. But as seen with the rise of 19th century nationalism, 95% of the criteria to be part of a groups is a common language"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nI actually am partially Arvanite. My clan migrated into Northern Attica ~14th Century.\nThe claim that Greece is was repopulated them is generally farsical, yes there was/is a notable population, primarily in Attica, Eastern Roumeli, small parts of the Peloponnese, and a few islands close to the mainland, and yes they identify with the Greek nation very strongly, many even seeing Albanian as a slur against them.\nInterestingly enough, you might see people parrot off about Athens being 'Albanian/Arvanite'. While it's true many of the surrounding villages that modern Athens grew into were partially or even overwhelmingly Arvanite, Athens itself remained Greek speaking, with the dialect Old Athenian, one of the few intermediary dialects between the Northern and Southern Greek dialect groups to remain in existance.\nA number of notable figures of the War of Independence were Arvanites, primarily because both the terrain of these areas favoured insurgency (the region I'm from even being barely under Ottoman control for so much of its history that at one point its name reflected it); and because of the martial nature of the culture. A fair few had hoped to create a federation with Christian Albanians (obviously Orthodox), and the participation of the mixed Greco-Albanians, the Souliotes, was a notable part of the war. That said, the ethnic Greek part cannot be ignored.\n>>1\nEh aside from some Arvanites claiming they're Greek to disassociate with actual Albanians, Armenian settlements were incredibly few, Anatolian (as in actual Hellenized Anatolians like Cappadocians) equally as few, and Slavic DNA peaks at ~15% adjacent to the border of North Macedonia at best. The truth is, most Greeks, are Greek. And if you go on about a minute amount of Slavic DNA somehow excluding that, well I guess most of Austria and Eastern Germany aren't actually German then, since they assimilated Slavs as far back as the 8th Century, and in greater numbers than in Greece."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nif you are going to make an effortpost then make a thread about it instead of replying to shitty one-liner bait"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nEh, I don't mind ruining bait threads with an effort post. One can hope they fuck off to /int/ instead."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nAll that effort and your little pic proves you wrong, you cant just add \"Greek\" to groups who learned the language as magically now part of the original group, Cretans are not Greek, neither are Pontians or Macedonians"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Cretans are not Greek, neither are Pontians or Macedonians\nWhat are they? If you're referring to Cretans being descended from Minoan populations than I suppose so, though they've been so thoroughly Hellenized no culturally holdovers can be found, moreover Minoans were a European population.\nIf you're referring to Pontians not being Greek, they likely do have the highest 'non-Greek' admixture with mostly Caucasian peoples like Georgians, Laz, or even some Armenians though primarily the Greek colonies in the region were separated and date back to anquity.\nIf you're referring to the Macedonians, then we must distinguish between Greek Macedonians and Slavic Macedonians, which the map does, although I'd suspect there are more Slavic Macedonians inside Greece, however a population exchange occured in the mid 20s with Bulgaria so I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nThe yamnaya tribesmen who spoke pre-proto-mycenean haven't existed for the better part of four millennia.\nCrete, the pontus, and macedon have spoken greek for longer than most countries current today have existed.\n>>unknown (OP)\nWhat the fuck is an arvanite."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nA subgroup of Tosk Albanians which migrated into Greece in the Middle Ages. They're Greek Orthodox, and identify far more with the Greek nation than Albania. They've largely been assimilating of their own accord so as to show allegiance only to Greece, as there's never been any efforts to oppress them since so many fought in the Revolution. Much in the same way a great number of Aromanians identify with Greece (or their respective host nation) rather than themselves."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "he REALLY liked lolis"}, {"id": 2, "content": "of course, OP immediately forget to make a shocking claim and keeps the source up his ass, just the way he likes it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIn 771 he repudiated princess Desiderata of the Longobards and sent her back to Pavia to her father, shortly after which he married (and rather quickly impregnated) a 13-year old girl named Hildegard\nWahl, R. (1951) 'Karl der Große: eine Historie'"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\npost pubescent girls arent lolis"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nah yes the muslim defense\nclassic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\ntoasty roasty"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI dont expect secular rulers to be saints but I do expect the founder of a religion and holy prophet who preach good morals to not be degenerate pedo"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It is generally accepted that she was either 12 or 13 upon her marriage to Charlemagne.[8][9], though her nominal date of birth would place her at 17\n>[8] is Fried, who says she was 13 with no source to back it up\n>[9] is McKitterick, who says nothing at all about her age\nI want a primary source for this, because it fucking reeks of bullshit."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nyou have primary sources that say trump is literally worse than hitler. history is a meme"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>history is a meme\nThen why are you wasting your time on a history board? Just fuck off, shill."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nwhat am i shilling for? the simulation?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Monsieur Lebel finds a woman for King Louis, colorized"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How did such a weird cthonic deity become the head of the germanic pantheon? Also am I the only one who feels like this guy is not of indo european origin?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did such a weird cthonic deity become the head of the germanic pantheon?\nOdin is like the personification of death, hence his aged appearance. Death and mortality are a major centerpiece of norse culture. You do the math."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nUnsatisfactory answer, anyways, still didn't disclose the guys origin"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>it must go deeper! I must reconstruct the etymology of Odin's name into ancient Atlantean!\n>Oh god, I'm gonna- I'M GONNA RECOOOOOMSTRUCT\nsometimes things are just that simple, friendo."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI'm stopping taking you seriously now"}, {"id": 6, "content": "He's very clearly of IE origin, he's the Germanic take on the Skyfather."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nOdin lacks most skyfather characteristics and Tyr is the etymological sky daddy."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Bronze Age shaman-king transformed into a god. Almost definitely a I1 guy."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>people in the past were incapable of creating fictional characters\nthis is your brain on recoomstructionism."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>How did such a weird cthonic deity become the head of the germanic pantheon?\n\nFreaky gods that don’t seem to fit tend not to be PIE\n\nLike Demeter & Persephone\n\nOdin is likely an ancient Northern European shaman god of death and madness."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWotan/Wodan: derived from Proto-Germanic *wōdaz (“rage, manic inspiration, furor poeticus”), from Proto-Indo-European *weh2t- (“to be excited”).\nArchaic English wode still used same root\nprobably after an unknown event the Aesir replaced Vanir and old Aesir got degraded, a minor Indo-European deity of madness or crying (compare the Roman deity Vaticanus) became a major deity.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagitanus"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>what do you mean \"by an unknown event\"\nThese religions were centered around worshipping natural phenomena, emotions and other parts of world as powerful entities. The polytheism eventually is a derivation of animism.\nWe know that Greeks abandoned worship of sky and earth and declared them to be \"titans\" unworthy of worship very possibly after Minoan Eruption.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption#The_Titanomachy\nthe fight of gods and gods replacing another is a common theme in polytheism, it reflects a past even as a form of \"folk memory\" or \"oral record\""}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nOdin has all of the Skyfather characteristics.\n>Spear wielder\n>King of the cosmos\n>Literal father of all of the goodguys\n>Creator of humanity\n>Associated with eagles\n>Associated with corvids\n>Owns the sacred beverage\n>Source and master of magic\n>Goes around bullying people who are bad hosts\n>The sun and moon are his eyes\n>Married to the Earth Mother\n>Creates things with his thoughts\n>Has a clique of vengeance seeking groupies\n>Has a throne at the literal highest possible point in the universe\n>Associated with hanging\n>Defends the cosmic primordial cow\n>Inflicts and cures madness\n>Inflicts lycanthropy\nTyr has none of that.\n\n\"Tyr\" is also not etymologically derived from \"*Dyeus\".\n\n>>10\nDemeter and Persephone are both very IE, as is Zeus, who, being the Skyfather, is associated with madness."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\nThat's Tiwaz, also Odin is an earthly deity, he's literally born from the earth"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWotan became the sky deity after a war.\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86sir%E2%80%93Vanir_War\nsee:\n>>11\n>>12"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nAlmost none of these are associated with Dyeus, you clearly don't know what you're talking about"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\nOdin absorbed those traits from Tyr\n\nLike Yahweh absorbed those traits from El & Baal"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>unknown\n>he creates\nThat's just one of many narratives\n>like shiva\nShiva didn't create the earth you 12 year old asatru larper, thats brahman"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nOdin was in charge of the Aesir before the Aesir-Vanir War.\n\n>>16\nThey're associated with every Skyfather in every Indo-European religion.\n\n>>17\nThat only makes sense if you have a singular deity, but that's not the case here. Why would Tyr, who is Germanic Mars (there isn't really a good archetypal name for \"the sword dude who fathers the race and acts as their foremost member\" in Indo-Europeanism) be the Skyfather? There's zero evidence to support that, and we know that Odin was being worshiped as the Skyfather at the earliest stratum of Germanic religion.\n\n>>18\nTake it up with the Rig Veda."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nHe creates his wife twice as Shiva alone you brainlet. This doesn't even get into the shenanigans that he gets up to as Agni and Rudra."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nHe seems to be a schizo. Like the Easter = Ishtar wacko."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Why would Tyr, who is Germanic Mars (there isn't really a good archetypal name for \"the sword dude who fathers the race and acts as their foremost member\" in Indo-Europeanism) be the Skyfather?\n\nThe ROMANS equated Tyr with THEIR god Mars\n\nThe Germans didn’t see it that way, they identified Tyr with Jupiter/Zeus\n\nDue in part to the etymology of the god's name, scholars propose that Týr once held a far more significant role in Germanic mythology than the scant references to the deity indicate in the Old Norse record. Some scholars propose that the prominent god Odin may have risen to prominence over Týr in prehistory, at times absorbing elements of the deity's domains. For example, according to scholar Hermann Reichert, due to the etymology of the god's name and its transparent meaning of \"the god\", \"Odin ... must have dislodged Týr from his pre-eminent position. The fact that Tacitus names two divinities to whom the enemy's army was consecrated ... may signify their co-existence around 1 A.D.\""}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>7\n>>14\nSurvive the Jive debunked this."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>>22\nStop giving this retard attention and lets return to the topic of the thread why dont we"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nIn the name of the jive, the varg and the holy oderino"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>The ROMANS equated Tyr with THEIR god Mars\nThe GERMANICS equated Mars with THEIR God Tyr. The Germanics saw it that way because they saw the deities as similar. They saw them as similar enough that they did this TWICE, once in Britain and once in Germany proper. This is why they equated Tyr with Mars. Secondly, no they equated Thor with Zeus/Jupiter, except when they were equating Odin with Zeus/Jupiter (as all of the stuff about \"worship Odin on Thursday\" stuff in Scandinavia attests to).\n\n>Due in part to the etymology of the god's name\n\"Tiwaz\" does not derive from \"*Dyeus\".\n\n>The fact that Tacitus names two divinities to whom the enemy's army was consecrated ... may signify their co-existence around 1 A.D.\"\nWhich just confirms what I'm saying, as the Romans consecrated their armies to Jupiter and Mars, and the Germanics consecrated their armies to Odin and Tyr."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\nTyr/Tiwaz was once used as a generic name for \"god\", i dont know for certain how he became a soecific deity. The fact that these guys hardly wrote anything down makes it even harder\nlook up \"Valtýr\" and \"Farmatýr\". They literally mean \"tyr of slain\" and \"tyr of cargoes\" but refers to Odin in mythology"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nThis was a garbage thread before the dude who has actually read something about this topic came in and started effortposting."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nNo such anon exists in this thread"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>13\n>>Spear wielder\nfair\n>>King of the cosmos\neh. He made the world, I don't know if thats the same as being \"king of the cosmos.\"\n>>Literal father of all of the goodguys\nfair\n>>Creator of humanity\nfair\n>>Associated with eagles\nwhere?\n>>Associated with corvids\nfair\n>>Owns the sacred beverage\nSuttungr did. Odin had to deceive his brother to get a drink of it.\n>>Source and master of magic\nHe knows magic. He isn't the source or master of it. His wife is better at seithr than Odin is.\n>>Goes around bullying people who are bad hosts\nHe does this once. Hospitality was a major norse virtue, so Odin killing Geirroth for being a stingy host really means that Odin killed Geirroth because he was a shitty and evil king in general, with his bad hosting being exemplary of that.\n>>The sun and moon are his eyes\nWhat? The sun and the moon are inanimate objects in norse mythology.\n>>Married to the Earth Mother\nFrigg is not the earth mother.\n>>Creates things with his thoughts\nSource?\n>>Has a clique of vengeance seeking groupies\nAre you talking about the einherjar? They're more like bodyguards, really.\n>>Has a throne at the literal highest possible point in the universe\nThis is just a mechanical explanation for why he's omniscient.\n>Of course he can see everything, he can see everything from hlithskjalf!\n>>Associated with hanging\nThe significance of his sacrifice is that he did it while connected (via the noose) to the axis mundi. The connection itself isn't the important part I don't think.\n>>Defends the cosmic primordial cow\nAuthumbla created his ancestors according to snorri, but Odin is nowhere said to interact with her\n>>Inflicts and cures madness\nHe never cures it I don't think, and the only time he inflicts it is in the form of berserkers.\n>>Inflicts lycanthropy\nYou mean like in the form of ulfhethinn? I think the mythology around berserkers comes from worship of animal totems that somehow got transplanted onto Odin at a later point."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nBoth \"*Deywos\" and \"*Dyews\" derive from the same PIE root, \"*dyew-\" meaning \"shining\" (or bright, heavenly, etc, the PIE had a different conception of color than we do). It leads to \"*dyews/dyeus\", which is fossilized in the name \"*dyeus pther\". This goes on to become \"dyaus pitar\" in Sanskrit, \"Zeus Pater\" (the \"z\" was actually pronounces \"dz\") in Greek, and \"Jupiter\" (from \"Ijupater\" in archaic Latin) in Latin.\n\nMeanwhile, \"*deywos\" goes on to become, as you point out, a generic term for deity. In the Germanic world it's, as you point out, used as a suffix in kennings (at one point Thor is called \"Þóratyr\", which literally means \"Thunder God\"). It also goes on to become Latin Deus, Greek Theos, and Sanskrit Deva. In Sanskrit, \"-deva\" is used just like \"-tyr\" is for noun-incorporation. \"Deva\" is also used as a generic term for deity, and is especially used as a term to refer to Parvati, who is Shiva's wife (that, as >>20 points out, he created twice)."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n>I don't know if thats the same as being \"king of the cosmos.\nHe is referred to as the king of the cosmos.\n\n>Odin had to deceive his brother to get a drink of it.\nOdin still got the Mead of Poetry to Asgard and owns it now, however.\n\n>He isn't the source or master of it.\nHe is the source of the Runes and is referred to as the master of magic. I'll give you the bit on Seiðer, but the Earth Mother knowing magic is also a common theme.\n\n>He does this [guest-host law enforcing] once.\nWe're told that he does this and enforces guest-host law. The number of times we actually see him do it is irrelevant.\n\n>The sun and the moon are inanimate objects in norse mythology.\nNo, they're not, Sol and Mani are both very animate and they run away from wolves. They get eaten at Ragnarok.\n\n>Frigg is not the earth mother.\nFrigga absolutely is an Earth Mother, as are Odin's other wives (and conquests).\n\n>Are you talking about the einherjar?\nI'm talking about the Valkyries, his chief Valkyrie Freyja, the Wild Hunt, and his chief fury Skaði.\n\n>Source?\nVoluspa with the Runes, for starters. There's lots of head imagery with Odin, but it's not as explicit as Ahura \"creating the Amesha Spentas with his mind\" Mazda, or Ze\"giving flesh to a thought\"us, I'll agree.\n\n>This is just a mechanical explanation for why he's omniscient.\nSure, it doesn't change him sitting at the top of the world just like Zeus, Shiva, Jupiter, the Dagda, etc.\n\n>connected (via the noose) to the axis mundi.\nThis is the key part, yes, and it relates to Zeus, Kronus, Uranus, Dagda, Shiva, etc. The actual noose is just the Germanic imagery.\n\n>but Odin is nowhere said to interact with her\nHe kills Ymir and drowns the rest of the Ymir-spawn in blood for trying to kill/eat/sacrifice(?) her."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\n>He never cures it I don't think, and the only time he inflicts it is in the form of berserkers.\nWe're told that he can, and while we only really see berserkers and poetic inspiration we are told that ancient Germanics and Medieval Scandis believed that he inflicted it.\n\n>You mean like in the form of ulfhethinn? I think the mythology around berserkers comes from worship of animal totems that somehow got transplanted onto Odin at a later point.\nI mean all of the wolf imagery across dozens of instances associated with Odin and the bands of wolf-men who worship him. \"Human men put on wolf skins, acted wild, and went out on bandit raids\".\n\nThe One-eyed God, by Kris Kershaw, goes into more detail in regards to this last point, but yes it's more subtle than Zeus giving people literal dog-heads."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNorsefags had the dumbest and most anti-intellectual culture in all of Europe, so of course they were deathly afraid of any sort of magic or any other concept that require a capacity for abstract thinking; hence the premier and most powerful deity is a gay wizard that sacrifices bits of himself for hidden knowledge."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>of course the stupid norse would have a chief god who was antithetical to their culture\nIs this supposed to be sarcasm?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nHe didn't think that far ahead, he's just trying to do an antiWhitness. There's not much to it."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nThey were also huge cowards that saw no recourse but to cower in fear and submit to the gay wizard and his multiple phallic symbols."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\n>>>Associated with eagles\n>where?\nSorry, I missed this.\n\nOdin has a few eagle kennings, and he turns into one when he steals the Mead of Poetry from the mountain fortress of Hnitbjorg. For comparison, Shiva turns into an eagle (there doesn't appear to have been a firm separation between \"eagle\", \"hawk\", and \"falcon\" in the Vedic period, much like how the Anglo-Saxons didn't distinguish crows and ravens) when he steals the Soma from the mountainous home of clashing-stones. Zeus turns into an eagle a few times as that's his preferred bird (and it was the most powerful of potents in divination), and it is, of course, Jupiter's bird."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nShit, that one's on me. I thought he transformed into a hummingbird when he was fleeing for some reason."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>cthonic deity"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>unknown\nIs this the American retard who claims Odin is jewish and Samson is an Aryan? The USA was a mistake"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://theapolloniantransmission.com/2018/12/26/norse-myth-as-jewish-esoteric-moralization/"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nand how did Jews/Semites ended up in North Europe? Largestextend of them in Europe during antiquit was southern Europe and probably Atlantic coast (debated topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_(Semitic)_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasconic_substrate_hypothesis)\nI dont see how Semites would end up in Northern Europe."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nIn the ancient world there was a wandering caste of Semitic priests who infiltrated many groups with whom they had traded or dealt and spread their religion of human and animal sacrifice. Many otherwise-Aryan groups were infiltrated in this manner, and what most think of as \"Norse gods\" are just repackaged Babylonian filth, like everything else. Excepting Thor. But Odinism is just Saturnism rebranded. Even Europe is named after the phoenician princess Europa, and you're all just okay with that.\n\nThe Vikings were literally Jews and that's why they're the only \"white\" group allowed positive representation in modern Jewish media. They were merchants and raiders who happened to be operating in European rivers and the North Sea, but they're literally just transplanted Phoenicians who had been doing the same thing in the Mediterranean for millennia. Before that, their Akkadian ancestors were doing the same shit in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean. Same shit, different body of water and different millennium. Same race involved.\n\nThe Arabs literally called the Vikings \"magi\". The Magi were Jews. Diogenes Laertius reported this widespread belief explicitly. And Herodotus was clear in saying that the magi were originally Medians, not Persians. Meanwhile, the bible itself is quite clear that at least some of the Jews exiled in the Bible ended up in Media, as in 2 Kings 17. Josephus reports the same thing.\n\nIn other words, it's all the same group viewed through different cultural lenses and languages. Jews have always been infiltrators."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\n>In the ancient world there was a wandering caste of Semitic priests\nsource\n>Phoenician alphabet\nIt is because Greek derives from Phoenician and Futhark derives from Greek alphabet\nIn fact almost all alphabets are Phoenician derived in one way or another. excepting China and Chinese deriveds of courseys\n>The Arabs literally called the Vikings \"magi\"\nMagi is a generic insult for pagans, mecusi in Turkish, it means \"fire worshipper\""}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\n>source\nhttps://files.catbox.moe/kmuvzb.mp4"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nyou are insane"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI saw what you did here ^^"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How many people would've been saved by giving this fucker a double barrel popsicle before he even learnt to write?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone, the social context he investigated would still remain."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWorse, the revolutions would’ve been done under Utopian Socialist doctrines which he criticized."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Marx was not the problem. It's the people that take his ideas and corrupt the shit out of them for their own ends that are the problem."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Hey guys, if we just make a dictatorship all the workers in the world will totally revolt and the state will wither away and we'll have a utopia\nDude was a utopian socialist himself."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe difference is that he thought it would be a natural change, whereas other utopian systems necessitated radical change instituted by a revolutionary class. Leninism is the real violent form of communism that boomers just assume is the same as Marxism."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot as many who would be saved by actually teaching the facts about /ourgoy/ Marx"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIsn't thinking that something like that will happen naturally more utopian though?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt's more realistic, hence why Volkswagen is more successful at communism than the Soviet Union ever was."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe didn't even do anything aside from notice things about society. He was history's greatest \"nooticer\", pic related is exactly who Marx was."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\nYeah, I’m not even a commie and I expect that Marx’s predictions will never come true, but it’s annoying as fuck when people attribute Lenin’s ideas to Marx. It’s more like Marx was just an inspiration, then Lenin was the guy who hammered the Marxist-Leninist revolutionary idea into being and then that effectively ended up becoming the dominant force in communism.\n\nIt’s also utterly hilarous how Marx predicted that communism would rise up through developed societies, but then we get M-Ls becoming influential in mainly thirdie shitholes. I’d love to resurrect Marx for a day to see his reaction to that."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\n>if we just make a dictatorship all the workers in the world will totally revolt\nYou mixed up cause and effect"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n>It’s also utterly hilarous how Marx predicted that communism would rise up through developed societies\nThis is most likely accurate and none of the communist states (oxymoron) disprove it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">1300 BC\n>we see a pyramid being built (1200 years after the last pyramid was built)\n>we now know the whole story is going to be fake\n>Moses gets a head injury, starts seeing things\n>nobody else sees them (which we are shown multiple times when Aaron Paul's character watches Moses talk to himself)\n>all the plagues are easily explained by pharaoh's priests (scientists)\n>the Red Sea does not actually part, it's just a low tide"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Ridley Scott's \"Exodus\" (2014)"}, {"id": 3, "content": "All Jewish Holidays are just celebrating child sacrifice and murder."}, {"id": 4, "content": "There is no evidence for Moses or even the Egyptian captivity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">judeo-christian"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJudeo-Christian values are the founding bedrock that USA is built on. You should never downplay their importance."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Funny how the Judeos don't want anything to do with it and the word didn't exist before the 20th century"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">abrahamic\n>melting pot\n>people of color"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo you prefer jewo-xtian?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho keeps making all these cats so fat?"}, {"id": 7, "content": "judeo freemasonic"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How is that even possible?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a celebration of the liberal secular syncretic religion."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSyncretism. Most people historically didn't give a shit about theology. They just collected a bunch of superstitions through their life.\nNo idea about the book, I remember picking it up at a bookshop but then I didn't buy it kek. Is it good?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDuring late Mughal, there were Muslim communities that celebrated Hindu holidays. During sepoy rebellion, rebels used both Hindu and Islamic narratives againstthe British. But Christian part is I am not sure, because Christianity was always seen as an invader religion."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Christianity was always seen as an invader religion\nReally? But christianity has been present in India since at the latest the 8th century, at the earliest the 1st.\nNo christian would have come as a conqueror until the portuguese."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's called being Sikh."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIndia. India is literally the most free country ever regarding thought."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nIt was a really stupid book. He starts off saying he has a story that will make you believe in God, tells a super implausible story that he claims happened to him, then at the end says \"you probably think I made this up. But it's a better story if you believe it isn't it?\" at which point I wanted to punch him in the face. Horrible argument, I think atheists and religious ppl can both agree on this."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n>Really? But christianity has been present in India since at the latest the 8th century, at the earliest the 1st.\nthey were foreigner groups and didnt had much influence to public, they were seen like how a Jew would be seen as in medieval Europe\n>No christian would have come as a conqueror until the portuguese.\nBritish ruined the Christianity's reputation in India"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\nI'm not Indian so, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sikhs read to me like a Sufi offshoot in Hindu territory who simply decided they didn't need the Quran or Muhammad anymore.\nVery little Christian influence, or Jewish or Zoroastrian influence for that matter."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Sikhs read to me like a Sufi offshoot in Hindu territory who simply decided they didn't need the Quran or Muhammad anymore.\neh, you are sorta right. their big daddy was a Kabir who was a Sant MAt (heteredox Hindu sect member) but very possibly had Muslim origins. Guru Nanak was student of him and the religious environment in Punjab made it avaliable to make a following of Sikhs (students) of Guru Nanak.\nI can not call Sikhism a deliberate elaving of tradition or syncretism, it was naturally developed from local philosophical, political and religious issues"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nThe Brit's Christianity was Episcopalian which is a bullshit LARP of Catholicism.\nI kind of think the Portuguese, who trashed the Malabar library of Syriac and Malayalam, did more fundamental damage to Indian Christianity."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nBritish enforced the caste system of Christians and the rest of population. When Portuguese came, they came as foreigners when British came they changed whole fabric of society.\nRead biography of Gandhi, the British were using Christianity as a distinguishing identity for them and functioned as a caste. The modern day reputation of Christianity is form British rule. Seen as manipulative and invasive therefore.\nSee:\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_Christian"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits a secularist movie painting hindus as tolerant people"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhat the fuck.\nCaptcha: AYYY0"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIm East Asia Christians are permitted altars for ancestor worship. Don't get too anal about doctrine anon."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>which is a bullshit LARP of Catholicism.\nNo it is not."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this something Catholics actually believe?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No, but I think they should. It was a language that was separated for sacred used for a long time, so there must be something to it. I'm talking about Ecclesiastical, not Classical."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is the rationale theologically speaking for this? I'm a Muslim so my biased perspective comes from the fact that we believe God revealed the Qur'an in Arabic and that the Qur'an is only truly \"the Qur'an\" when in Arabic. I know that isn't the rationale with the Catholics because they don't mandate use Koine Greek or Aramaic. But is it just because Peter is the rock of the Church and his position was, according to Catholics, the Bishop of Rome? I mean to me it makes little sense but I admit I'm probably missing something."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIf you don't know what the words mean then they mean even more than if you knew what they meant. You can imagine a woman hotter than any woman that you could ever see, and you can imagine monsters far more terrifying than you could ever meet. Gibberish lets you fill in the blanks with the most devout piety and fervor you can possibly conjure up. This is also the rationale that Protestants use for Speaking in Tongues (up until the 1800s this referred to the Holy Spirit giving the Apostles the ability to speak all gentile languages, today it refers to ecstatic babbling of gibberish).\n\nHistorically, the idea was that if the Vatican forced the usage of Latin, that everyone would just learn Latin. That obviously didn't work and they've since given up on using Latin because it's just easier to just use vernaculars."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nThe rational is that it was still the Roman Empire when Jesus was walking around, some even think Jesus was speaking Latin himself.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJffBsSg1kU [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI understand this is the explanation non-Catholics give for it but I want their internal theological reasoning for their exaltation of Latin over other languages."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI think that's pretty flimsy reasoning and I really thought thousands of years of Catholic scholarship could only offer that as an answer to my question."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. It's what (You) believe because you're an illiterate protnigger"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nIt's not an official teaching or anything, it's more like a folk belief. To me what makes sense is that it was a language that was separated for and used almost exclusively for the sacred and even for magic during medieval times."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nJesus definitely spoke *some* Latin. The extent is up for debate but the Romans weren't shy about occupying a province, if you wanted to avoid being beaten, spat on, or otherwise harassed you would quickly learn some basic Latin to explain yourself when asked questions"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nI don't believe it. I just watched this movie and the pope's top guy exorcist (played by fat Russel Crowe) said it. I'm only asking because the movie is based on real events so I thought maybe it's an accurate representation of Catholicism."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNot him but nah it's just a line for dramatic effect for the New World audience\nLatin is a beautiful language though"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nWeren't most of the Roman troops speaking Greek?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nNah Greek was the language of the Roman aristocracy, the odd centurion would've spoken Greek to some level, the governor's and their immediate subordinates would've spoken Greek and ofcourse it would the intermediate language of the time, like English is today. But no the average legionary would've been your everyday working-class man from Italy or provincial Roman towns, you'd be hard pressed to find one capable of reading and writing"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>3\nCatholics hold that the Bible is best read and understood in Latin, but the language itself is not divinely inspired beyond being respected for its history and it's robust organisation as far as languages go. So no it's not comparable.\nPeople think English is a great language because it's to easy to learn how to speak it, but in terms of conveying expressions and ideas through text, Latin is unsurpassed in its accessibility and ease of learning. However Koine Greek still holds the title for complexity of expression in both forms imo"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\nIt's just a dumb Hollywood movie my dude"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nCatholics are worse than atheists.\n\n>>12\nCatholics believe whatever their leaders tell them to believe. They usually don't even know their own cult's doctrines."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>12\n>my source?\n>I watched le movie\nLMFAO this board is a shithole"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nCatholics believe whatever Church tradition dictates yeah, it doesn't change on a whim though so you're being disingenuous.\nEven if the Pope mandates something against Catholic scripture then Catholics are bound by their faith to disregard what the Pope says"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nProtestants believe whatever their pastors tells them to believe. They usually don't even know their own cult's doctrines."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>9\n>was separated for and used almost exclusively for the sacred and even for magic during medieval times.\nSo essentially it's been decided that Gods showed the language his favor because it was picked up during the Christianization of the Roman empire? Is this tied in any way to the prophecies regarding the fall of Rome in the New Testament?\n>>16\nSo it's essentially a utility thing? But that doesn't explain the controversy that having mass in the vulgate originally had/"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nThey're told they can't interpret scripture (against what scripture says) then they're told they need to rely on their leadership for guidance. Not every catholic goes to the \"Pope\" (or \"Father\") who claims to be in Christ's place on earth or Christ on earth with the other blasphemous title, in fact, most could probably never have a chance to meet their cult's leader. Jesus Christ is to be the head of your church, the Pope is not Jesus nor was Peter a Pope.\n\n>>21\nBeep boop beep boop."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>They're told they can't interpret scripture\nWrong\n>then they're told they need to rely on their leadership for guidance.\nTrue, it's how we got doctrines like the trinity and the deity of Christ established, things most but not all protestants agree on\n>or Christ on earth with the other blasphemous title\nWhat?\n>Jesus Christ is to be the head of your church\nHe is\n>the Pope is not Jesus\nCorrect\n>nor was Peter a Pope.\nWrong"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt seems to me like it would have more power the better you understand the words you're using. Praying in a language you don't understand is just retarded magic words fetishism."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Latin is ipso facto hard to understand"}, {"id": 27, "content": "Trick question. Alaha only listens to prayers in Nestorian Syriac"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nMaybe for english speakers."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>15\nPilate didn't command a legion. He was a praefect not in senatorial rank. His armies were mostly Greek-speaking auxiliaries."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>24\n>>They're told they can't interpret scripture\n>Wrong\nThey're told they can't understand the bible without some catholic priest or leader or whatever telling them what it akshually means. So when they read John 5:21, they can read the notes or listen to their priest ramble on about some guy who invented some mental gymnastics to disregard it and they trust this interpretation as the only correct(tm) interpretation.\n>True, it's how we got doctrines like the trinity and the deity of Christ established, things most but not all protestants agree on\nIt's not, you lie yet more.\n>What?\nAnd ignorant too.\n>He is\nNot of the Catholic cult.\n>>nor was Peter a Pope.\n>Wrong\nMore lies."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nMeant 1 John 5:21"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>22\nThe frenzy around holding mass in the local tongue was that people would misinterpret the Bible from its Latin translation, which they did. There's been threads about this before where an anon has pointed out, and I agree with him, that dropping the learning of Latin as a requirement for interpreting the Bible opened up the floodgates for the disingenuous, the disinterested, and the lazy to make all sorts of interpretations\n>>23\nNo Catholic thinks the Pope is Christ on Earth. He's considered the foremost interpreter of Christ's will but he is not infallible and scripture overrules any of particularly outrageous decisions.\nThis is a common mistake non-Catholics make. \"Papal infallibility\" doesn't mean the Pope is always correct no matter what"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>They're told they can't understand the bible without some catholic priest or leader or whatever telling them what it akshually means.\nNot really, what they're told is that their interpretation cannot contradict church teaching and tradition. Having a priest tell you what it means is also recommended, since, hopefully, they're more educated than you. It's no different than asking your pastor for help in understanding, there is no difference. I can't see your point.\n>It's not, you lie yet more.\nSo I guess there were never conflicts, even violent, in the first centuries of Christianity regarding these subjects. Much less anathemas and schisms. Your knowledge amazes me.\n>And ignorant too.\nOf your schizo delusions? Absolutely\n>Not of the Catholic cult.\nKEK\n>More lies.\nNah"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nPilate was a governor the his \"armies\" came with his provisional governorship, they weren't his legions. Provisional governors for the East would've absolutely spoken Greek but it wasn't required of the soldiers, it's was just a luck-of-the-draw situation as far as linguistics was conserned in the lower ranks"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>30\n>priest or leader or whatever\nWhat about the Holy Spirit?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThe Holy Spirit doesn't speak"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nMahbe to you LMAO.\nSorry, it was too easy to pass up."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>3\nLatin is historically a universal language (at least for the entire western world). It would have been understood by the most number of people, as opposed to vernacular languages like Italian, French, or English.\n\n“For the Church, precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure until the end of time…of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular.”\n\n-Pope Pius XI (Officiorum Omnium, 1922)"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Catholic Church is the only surviving institution of the empire. Have some respect."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Bible was written in Koine Greek, Aramaic, and likely Hebrew. No one knew what Latin was. Jesus spoke Greek. Catholics love to just invent shit."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>28\nIt's actually pretty easy. The only thing that take some getting used to is having the verb at the end of a sentence so your brain has to read things in a weird order, everything after that is just memorisation"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>5\nThe Roman language in his part of the Empire was Greek."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What stage do you consider a fetus a human in a secular point of view? No abortion sperging or religious-based arguments please, I just want to know what stage people think a fetus is a human"}, {"id": 2, "content": "literally at inception"}, {"id": 3, "content": "What does \"human\" mean? A human skin cell is human; it has human DNA. That doesn't make it a person."}, {"id": 4, "content": "what stage is a 20 year old a human in a philosophical point of view?\n\nbut for me it's from shortly after conception, when it becomes a viable pregnancy, that's the point it's entered the lifecycle of a human\ni'm okay with abortion up until they can be viable outside the womb independently though, for the same reason i don't consider switching off life support systems murder"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt is alive, it has a unique set of Human DNA, it is a living human being, if a fertilized egg was found fossilized on mars it would be considered evidence of humans as exclusively humans can create this without question and exclusively humans only create this without question."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a human from conception, I just don't give a fuck about humans who aren't sentient."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFertilization, aka the moment when the new individual genetic code (the new human being) is created\nAny point beyond that is arbitrary bullshit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt conception but murder of an individual is acceptible under certain circumstances."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's not human until it has self awareness."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nTIL severely autistic and downs syndrome people aren't human and neither are people in a coma"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nA coma is a temporary status. I'm talking about the baseline capacity of the being. Plenty of people with down syndrome are self-aware. But if an autistic or down syndrome person is so severely damaged that they do not understand that they exist, then no, they are not human. Self-awareness is the foundation of what makes us human."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThis unironically."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nSeverely mentally handicapped people are only treated better than pigs because doing otherwise would freak us out."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>3\n>it has human DNA\nso does your saliva but it makes no sense to call saliva human"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>6\nif sentience is your criteria then as soon the brain is formed it's a sentient being and that's long before conception"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nGoogle the meaning of the word conception."}, {"id": 17, "content": "I think I usually hear like 6 months."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\noh my bad, i'm sleepy, the brain hasn't formed yet at the moment of conception so it is not sentient"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen they are developed enough to be a person. Until then they’re just a clump of cells"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Anon this is a retarded topic. Stop shitting up the board."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nWhy would a being require consciousness to be considered murdered if terminated? You can easily make an argument that newborns aren't conscious, and it follows that any amount of time in the womb is unconscious. So if lack of consciousness is your gold standard for abortion morally, why stop at some arbitrary threshold of developmental status in the womb? Beyond that, it doesn't actually critique the posited notion, that abortion is murder, it simply states that it's ok most of the time to kill them anyway. It's entirely irrelevant to the point of abortion and entirely irrelevant to the issues raised by anti-abortionists."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nAnti-abortionists Are subhumans who don't understand the difference between humanity and personhood.\nYour argument about arbitrary threshold could be used for sex with minors.\nAbortion isn't unjustified killing because it's justified by the fact that the fetus isn't sentient. If anything, the anti-abortionist cannot produce an argument for why non-sentient fetuses shouldn't be aborted without appealing to mythology."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nAt what point is this considered a sandwich? When the pieces are all formed together? Or when the contents are still in the jars and the bread still plain?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI would recommend reading both abortion and infanticide by Michael Tooley and why Abortion is is immoral by Don Marquis. I know you said no abortion stuff but its hard to not look at arguments there for when someone is a human.\n\nTo answer your question though I personally think it's at conception."}, {"id": 25, "content": "What stage do you consider a fish to be a human in a secular worldview?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt conception"}, {"id": 27, "content": "It's a human from a biological perspective. That does not automatically mean it has the right to life."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\n>fetus isn’t sentient\nBut it would eventually be if it was not killed. Is it okay to kill a baby moments before it would be born? When does a person become sentient?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe define clinical death as the moment when the heart stops beating. The moment the heart *starts* beating is when life starts, from any measurable point of view."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\n>If anything, the anti-abortionist cannot produce an argument for why non-sentient fetuses shouldn't be aborted without appealing to mythology.\n\nAs in religion. In particular christianity.\nWhat's interesting here is that this started with catholicism. Even then catholics didn't always hold the view that abortion was murder.\nIt's strange that protestants picked up on it, but they wen't with it. A lot of them, with a few exceptions."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>11\n>coma is a temporary status\nSo is being a fetus"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nAre Jellyfish alive?"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\n>Is it okay to kill a baby moments before it would be born?\n\nNo.\n\nThis is why it's done months beforehand.\nLook, there is a debate to be had here at how soon and or late it should happen."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>22\n>could be used for sex with minors\nThat means it's insufficient to justify the intuition that it's bad.\nReally, it's Ship of Theseus tier, which is why one needs a solid cutoff point.\nI find conception to be the most compelling; if unimpeded the zygote will turn into a (hopefully) healthy human. Then they can experience the joy of being alive."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>22\nWhy do atheists want to kill babies so bad?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>29\nYou're more hard core than the Bible for having it be at first breath."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nWhy do christcucks want to kill actual people so bad? They're massively overrepresented in crime statistics."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\n>babies aren't people\nWhy do atheists want to kill babies so bad?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>35\nThey're not babies, they're zygotes or gametes."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nI think it’s more of a women’s right thing. Media has convinced women that if they can’t kill their children that they are less than a man."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nWhat is that thing in OP's picture?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>38\nWe're talking about zygotes and embryos here, not babies. Stop bringing up irrelevant topics."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nA fetus.\nOP is misrepresenting."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nSo it's a baby\nWhy do atheists want to kill babies so bad?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nA fetus is not a baby"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nSo when does this zygote become a person. If a zygote is in the life cycle of being a human why is it then not a human?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nWhat part of \"misrepresenting\" didn't you understand. It's a misrepresentation."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nWhat is it? Is it alive?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\nIt's made of living stuff."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nIt's alive, just like how a bacteria is alive. That means nothing on its own."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nOkay, this is going into a regress. How far back do we go then? We're entering into a place where it's not as case sensitive as it is philosophical.\nLike, even sperm, it potentially will become a person. One or even possibly two of them with rare exceptions of more. So, every instance I am not with a woman mating I am not ensuring the potential in my sperm to become a person?"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nSo when does this fetus become a person. If a zygote is in the life cycle of being a human why is it then not a human?"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>45\nThe New Oxford American Dictionary defines a fetus as \"an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception\"\n>>50\n>It's alive, just like how a bacteria is alive\nWhat species is it?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\nYou take a shower and in the steam comes some of your skin flakes. They were alive. Same idea."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nNo, skin flakes are not alive. Nor are they distinct creatures from me. What species is the unborn child?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWell, the skin cells were alive."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nNo, I am alive and they were part of me. What species is the preborn child?"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>51\nSo the human life cycle starts with the zygote I think that would be the right place to start. It’s not an infinite regress. We use the word fetus because it feels better. It sounds inhuman. It’s like when a genicide happens and the genicided people are deemed inhuman because it feels better and is easier to kill them"}, {"id": 59, "content": "idk lmao, abortion is killing, but better it not experience life suffering from unplanned birth and non prepared parents than being forced out and becoming another statistic."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\n>No, I am alive and they were part of me\nYou are made of living stuff. We all are.\nI don't think you know how complicated life can be.\n\n>What species is the preborn child\nFine, I'll finally answer that one. I bet you think I would possibly say human. You're wrong. It's homo sapiens sapiens sapiens."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nShit, I put one too many sapiens."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\n>You are made of living stuff.\n>I bet you think I would possibly say human. You're wrong. It's homo sapiens sapiens"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnever because humans don't exist. The ship of Theseus show that we are unable to determine precisely what an object, life, human, God, present etc truly is. We live in an infinite limbo were we exist and yet we don't. So whether a fetus is alive or not is an ultimate opinion of the man rather than an objected truth. Sorry to disappoint you OP, but this is the truth."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>60\nSo you use the term homo sapien because you understand that abortion is terminating a human life but to cope you use homo sapien because it sounds less human"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>58\n>It’s not an infinite regress\nI know, I didn't say it was infinite.\nWhat the hell does it matter what it sounds like?\nAlso, why are you seemingly interchanging it with fetus when this is what a zygote is?\nYou're making it sound like it's a rewording to make it sound more acceptable when there's an actual distinction to be had."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm an atheist and I believe Human life begins at conception. Each aborted baby is a unique DNA combination, a unique Human whose chance at life is getting denied.\n\nI'm the only atheist anti-abortionist I've ever met, which is a shame."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>64\nBut, it is our species name, you dingaling.\nYou know how race in a social construct? It's because as far as things go we are all one race: the human race."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>58\n>it's just like the heckin holobunga\nLmao what's with this trend of christniggers trying to turn \"unborn\" into some kind of race"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>65\nOkay so you are ceding that terminating a fetus is wrong but not a zygote? Is that where you are drawing the line now? And yes as the zygote is human I don’t place an emphasis on it’s distinction from a fetus because it’s still a human"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe're all humans from zygote to elderly\nTrying to dehumanize the unborn is just a mean to deresponsibilize mothers wishing death upon their progeny before they develop a clear face which triggers maternal instincts, it's completely arbitrary"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>Okay so you are ceding that terminating a fetus is wrong but not a zygote\n\nI was always against it. That's why I said zygote or gametes. No fetus. It's not a human, it's a byproduct of humans. It's made stuff that's alive.\nAgain, I don't think you quite understand how complicated life can be.\n\nI think this video will help.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipDpbYQdFEA [Embed]"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's not bait. That's the distinction. We are the last of the hominid races."}, {"id": 73, "content": "around 5 to 7 years depending on their ability to speak coherent sentences. Larvae aren't human."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\nIt being a \"human\" is completely arbitrary. That does not mean it has the right to life in its current stage."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>74\nWhat does it mean to be \"human\" anyway. That's a philosophical question that's as old as the hills."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nThis video proves your video wrong\nhttps://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ [Embed]"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhenever the pregnant person feels like it"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>2\nThis. It's literally a clump of human cells at inception. That doesn't necessarily mean it's conscious or worth valuing. We genocide other types of human cells all the time."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>76\nI can't argue against that."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>66\nA pro choice Christian (non Catholic) might argue that all unborn babies go to heaven"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>74\nNo one is given \"the right to live\" unless they are slaves"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>75\n>What does it mean to be \"human\" anyway.\nIn this context, an organism belonging to the homo sapiens species."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>71\n>It's not a human\nIs it a living thing?"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>75\nGo touch grass and you’ll see what a human is"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>77\ngood on you avoiding a transphobic word like m*ther"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>78\nIt's someone's child\nA newborn is less intelligent than some seafood, comparaisons are idiotic. They grow as they age."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>82\nIf you're going contextually yeah. That ends the debate.\nBut, in a more nebulous way there is a debate to be had.\n\n>>83\nIt's made up of living stuff that's coalescing. Seriously, watch the video. siphonophores are complicated.\nBut, illustrate the complexity I'm trying to tell you. Much in that skin cells example.\nA zygote is literally a sum of parts, like skin cells."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>71\nForming embryos are not zoids you dumbass\nYou're still just a bunch of cells, tho it seems your neurons are poorly arranged"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>30\n>Even then catholics didn't always hold the view that abortion was murder.\n\nIt was always considered deeply immoral; whether or not it is “murder” (or perhaps something even more grotesque) is another matter."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>37\nBecause a lot of people deserve to die, duh. Holy shit are redditers childish."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>87\nAre you a living thing, sir?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>88\nWe both are. So is the zygote, embryo, and gamete.\nThe difference here that a zygote and gamete are just clumps of cells. Like our skin cells. For that matter like are hair cells or nail cells. We needn't concern ourselves for trimming either, so too should we not concern ourselves with abortion.\nThis is that last you'll be hearing from me as this is as succinct as I'm going to put it."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\nHistorically midwives have had performing abortions as part of their practice."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\n>This is that last you'll be hearing from me as\nAs it is completely indefensible\nYou are \"just a clump of cells\", therefore trimming your head from your neck is no different from trimming your hair"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>25\nGiven they are our very distant genetic cousins, at conception."}, {"id": 96, "content": "ITT:\n\nRemember, it's Christ or chaos. There is no other cure for the cancer that is secularism than the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and be saved, turn or burn"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>93\nWhat does the existence of abortionists have to do with the teaching of the church? It was condemned by the Didache; whether or not it is “murder” is a complicated question; it was always considered gravely immoral."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>96\nChristianity is a shitskin religion"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>98\nBetter coon than troon"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>22\n>Your argument about arbitrary threshold could be used for sex with minors.\nConveniently, I also believe that consent should be relegated to a self-awareness and knowledge test before you are allowed to legally consent."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>23\n>food analogy"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAre you fucking kidding me? MY body MY choice. I decide whether the parasite in me goes or stays you misogynist"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfor me it would be the point at which it is viable on its own without the mother. prior to that it does not have a life of its own by definition, it is more akin to like a liver or lung."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>no religious arguments except for mine\ntranny."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>92\n>gamete\n>clump of cells\n>hair/nail cells\nLe yikes."}, {"id": 106, "content": "The lies atheist can tell will never cease to amuse me, they even lie about science and desperately and continuously swap words to confuse people.\n>life begins at fertilization, biological sciences says so\ngood luck refuting that\n>but it's not alive!\nit's a human lifeform at embryonal stage, science says it's alive\n>but it's not a human!\nit is a human and a unique one with a unique DNA with a unique set of genes, science says so\n>but my fingernails also contain DNA it's just a clump of cells\nyou fingernails are not an organism, they are an organ. No human being will grow up from a fingernail. An embryo is a living human organism, and it's not even an organ of the mother\n>but it's not a person!\npersonhood is a legal status and law isn't a source for scientific or moral truth. There has been laws that negated personhood to enslaved ppl, black ppl and jews.\n>so abortion is wrong?\nAbortion is the termination of an established (as \"non potential\") human life that has a unique DNA that won't be repeated in the whole history. The individual will be lost forever and no one will know who has been wiped out of existence.\nThese are facts, supported by science, then you can decide for yourself. As a human you can determine that genociding entire populations is perfectly ok and it has been done until a very recent past."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n>life begins at fertilization, biological sciences says so\nIf you're talking about genetically distinct life, sure. And?\n>it's a human lifeform at embryonal stage, science says it's alive\nYes, and?\n>it is a human and a unique one with a unique DNA with a unique set of genes, science says so\nYes, and?\n>you fingernails are not an organism, they are an organ. No human being will grow up from a fingernail. An embryo is a living human organism, and it's not even an organ of the mother\nYes, and?\n>personhood is a legal status and law isn't a source for scientific or moral truth. There has been laws that negated personhood to enslaved ppl, black ppl and jews.\nPersonhood is also a philosophical concept. But if you think one cannot disagree with any claims of personhood, then I'm going to claim that rocks are persons.\n>Abortion is the termination of an established (as \"non potential\") human life that has a unique DNA that won't be repeated in the whole history.\nYes, and? It's not sentient. If you take a person and remove their cerebral cortex, I won't give a shit about that human body (because it's indeed no longer a person) after that either."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>asking dadless permavirgins about the value of life, birth, and families.\n>NOOO not the people who actually live it"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>98\ncorrect, also a tranny religion\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>14\nYour saliva doesn't have its own individual genetic code, cretin\nFetus are not part of the mother's body and no amount of science-denying feminist propaganda will change this fact"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLife begins at arousal"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>110\n>muh individual genetic code\nWho gives a fuck? The genetic code within individual cells in your body can change over the course of your life."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>107\n>and? x5\nAnd science worshipping atheists and feminists constantly lie and negate all these scientific facts (on which the scientific community agrees upon)\n>Yes, and? It's not sentient\nBut it will be, also sentience is already non scientific\n>If you take a person and remove their cerebral cortex\nit's entirely different because that person will have no chance of recovering and become sentient again. Basically you injured that person beyond repair and you're artificially sustaining life in his body with machines."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>112\nand become cancer cells yes not a different and unique human beings.\nHow does it feel to be so corrupted that you even cone up with this trash?"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>113\n>And science worshipping atheists and feminists constantly lie and negate all these scientific facts\nAnd? Almost half of all christcucks in the USA think that the universe is 6k years old. I don't give a fuck about what retards think regardless of whether they're religious or atheist.\n>But it will be\nNot if you kill it before that. Why should I care about \"potential\" sentience that need not be actualized?\n>it's entirely different because that person will have no chance of recovering and become sentient again.\nThe fetus will have no chance of \"recovering\" either because it has no prior state of sentience."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>114\n>not a different and unique human beings\nI thought the criterion was having separate DNA from the host :^)\nIf you want to amend that, you can present a different argument."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>115\noh shit you're fucking stupid lol\n>And?...\nYeah but atheists are very adamant about the fact all they say and believe is backed by le science (except when it's not), while bible belters don't respect science to begin with.\n>Not if you kill it\nBingo, you kill it. You just told yourself abortion is killing.\n>Why should I care\nMaybe because you aren't a sociopath but yeah some ppl are so you might be actually one\n>The fetus will have no chance of \"recovering\" either because it has no prior state of sentience.\nHoly shit what a cope first off sentience is hardly scientifically determinable second it's wrong the embryo will develop into a fetus that already is capable of sensory experience inside the mother's womb and then it will be delivered and be a baby."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>117\n>Yeah but atheists are very adamant about the fact all they say and believe is backed by le science\nYou are not talking to some amorphous blob of atheists, you are talking to me. If you can't make your case without pretending that I'm somebody else with a different viewpoint, it would seem that you are backed into a corner, my dear chap.\n>Bingo, you kill it. You just told yourself abortion is killing.\nYes, and?\n>Maybe because you aren't a sociopath\nWhat's sociopathic about killing something that isn't sentient? Do you cry yourself to sleep after mowing your lawn?\n>Holy shit what a cope first off sentience is hardly scientifically determinable\nWe have a pretty good idea of when it's not possible. Still, I think it's fine to err on the side of caution and push abortion limits down to first trimester only.\n>second it's wrong the embryo will develop into a fetus that already is capable of sensory experience inside the mother's womb\nYes, and in that process it is not recovering anything, because it never had sentience during any PRIOR state, bad-reading-comprehension-kun."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>What's sociopathic about killing something that isn't sentient?\nYou might as well kill your mother in her sleep if so. Good luck explaining that to the cops lol.\n>because it never had\nbut it will, and it's already a live organism with a unique human DNA and who fucking knows maybe you just offed the next Einstein or Mozart or the most beautiful woman ever lived"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\n>You might as well kill your mother in her sleep if so. Good luck explaining that to the cops lol.\nYou mean my sentient mother? That doesn't answer the question, anon.\n>but it will, and it's already a live organism with a unique human DNA and who fucking knows maybe you just offed the next Einstein or Mozart or the most beautiful woman ever lived\nThere is no morally relevant difference between stopping someone from planting an acorn and ripping it out of the ground once it's planted. Clockblocking is murder!"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>120\nwell I at least appreciate your honesty but your mindset is quick to recur to overt reductionism and essentially \"it's like this because I feel it is and here's a bad analogy with the natural world that justifies it\", not really very far from statement like \"negroes are 3/5th humans and are closer to monkeys\" or \"jews are parasites and are similar to rats therefore they must be exterminated\", etc."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nPray tell, why should valuing actual sentience instead of potential sentience lead to racist thinking?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>122\n\"it is right to kill this human being because...\"\nreplace \"...\" with what you prefer, in you case \"it is not yet sentient\".\nThe parallelism with racism is that racist ppl often use such statements."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nWhy would you replace \"it is not sentient\" with anything when sentience is the relevant factor?\n>\"it is right to kill this human being because...\" replace \"...\" with what you prefer, in you case \"it is in self defense\"\nIf you believe that self defense is morally permissible, you're now a nazi. Great argument."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>124\n>sentience is the relevant factor?\nAccording to you. I can easily reply that \"human life\" is the relevant factor. More so if we consider that sentience is a very shaky ground scientifically speaking, but human life is very solid since the discovery and study of genes and DNA.\n>self defense\nSelf defense is a contingent situation where one must act to preserve his life or one other's life, it is not pertinent in this context. Of course if a pregnancy risks to kill the mother, the mother is morally justified to terminate it because she is preserving her life (her physical life, not her lifestyle)"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>125\n>According to you. I can easily reply that \"human life\" is the relevant factor.\nSentience is justified as the relevant factor because it's the necessary precondition for being a subject, which is a necessary precondition for being a moral subject.\n>More so if we consider that sentience is a very shaky ground scientifically speaking, but human life is very solid since the discovery and study of genes and DNA.\nGenetics do not confer moral value.\n>Self defense is a contingent situation where one must act to preserve his life or one other's life, it is not pertinent in this context.\nAnd similarly, sentience is a necessary precondition for being a moral subject while \"not being a jew\" or \"not being black\" are not. I'm glad we agree that both substitutions are fallacious."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>126\n>it's the necessary precondition for being a subject\nYou're bringing philosophy into it, and at this point I could bring in religion.\nI might just point out that culturally what you say is not very correct. I could \"kill\" inanimate objects like important works of art, the scores for a symphony, entire books or works of scientific research and morally I will have committed a very despicable act to the majorities of cultures. You might argue that I killed ideas but ideas are not sentient, and still are considered valuable.\n>Genetics do not confer moral value.\nI don't understand\n>while \"not being a jew\" or \"not being black\" are not\nin the minds of slave owners and nazists they were indeed preconditions for being moral subjects"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\n>You're bringing philosophy into it\nYou mean to say that you thought you can discuss moral philosophy without discussing philosophy? The fuck?\n>and at this point I could bring in religion.\nYeah and you can use that to justify or condemn anything. My god says it's immoral for you to disagree with me.\n>I could \"kill\" inanimate objects like important works of art, the scores for a symphony, entire books or works of scientific research and morally I will have committed a very despicable act to the majorities of cultures.\n...because of the impact those acts have on moral subjects. It's extrinsic moral value, not intrinsic - objects do not have moral value unless they impact moral subjects in a morally significant way.\n>I don't understand\nWhat do you not understand about it?\n>in the minds of slave owners and nazists they were indeed preconditions for being moral subjects\nNot logically necessary preconditions. The status of sentience as a necessary precondition for being a moral subject is necessitated as pure logical entailment - you cannot be a moral subject unless you're a subject and you cannot be a subject unless you possess subjectivity (sentience)."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>101\n\nIt's the simplest methods that confound the wise.\n\n>hOw DiD tHeY LiFt sUcH hEaVy StOnEs BaCk tHeN WiTh sUcH LiMiTeD tEcHnOlOgY?!?!??!?\n\nI imagine it was with the most simplest of methods. So simple that if it were revealed, it would make the wisest of nerds have a brainfart moment."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>in a secular point of view?\nI don't believe in a secular point of view and watching them fumble easy questions like this proves they are too stupid to live"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>128\n>discuss moral philosophy\nit wasn't my intention to start a philosophical debate, and I could say I don't need philosophy because I have religion, I was replying to OP's \"is a fetus human\" by merely what science agrees upon\n>unless they impact moral subjects\nwell so in case of abortion it certainly impacts moral subjects. So from your pov it would be extrinsic, but it would still be relevant and a reason to not do it.\n>The status of sentience\nthat is not scientifically determinable so you are founding your ethics upon shaky foundation. Animal welfare could be easily neutralised by the argument \"but animals are not sentient\" or \"they don't feel pain, and if they do not like us\", that is an argument that is fading out of fashion but is still used.\n>Genetics do not confer moral value.\nIf you were referring to DNA an embryo is not simply DNA it's an organism that is building itself upon that DNA, that is very different than say the DNA contained in my spit ot my hair."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>110\n>your saliva doesn't have its individual genetic code\nmost cells in your body carry your genetic code, the exception being your gametes\nby your logic there is no criterion that makes something \"human\""}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\n>it wasn't my intention to start a philosophical debate\nA debate about ethics is a philosophical debate.\n>I don't need philosophy because I have religion\nYeah and my god says it's immoral for you to disagree with you.\n>well so in case of abortion it certainly impacts moral subjects.\nAnd we can have a legitimate discussion on whether the impact an abortion has on your feelings is more morally relevant than the impact a pregnancy has on the woman.\n>that is not scientifically determinable so you are founding your ethics upon shaky foundation.\nAre you implying that the fetus already has sentience during the first trimester? We can discuss that too.\n>Animal welfare could be easily neutralised by the argument \"but animals are not sentient\" or \"they don't feel pain, and if they do not like us\", that is an argument that is fading out of fashion but is still used.\nAnimal welfare/animal rights are predicated precisely on the fact that unlike Descartes, we're pretty damn sure that animals are sentient.\n>If you were referring to DNA an embryo is not simply DNA it's an organism that is building itself upon that DNA, that is very different than say the DNA contained in my spit ot my hair.\nYou didn't understand my objection. DNA is important only insofar as it allows for the development of morally relevant traits (i.e. sentience)."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf we can legally sell earrings of it, it must not be that human\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gibson\nthe only part of the law infringed was about public sensibility, so if it's in private we can sell them"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a human from conception but a person is what’s more important.\nI don’t think they’re a person at until they get a cerebrum which is the third trimester"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>133\nYou're going in circles at this point.\nYou base your ethics on sentience rather than objective facts such as abortion being objectively the termination of a human life.\nIt's not that I can convince you otherwise but your stance doesn't provide very solid grounds."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>136\nSentience is morally relevant because it's the necessary precondition for being a moral subject. Why is the fact that it's human life morally relevant? Just wildly gesturing at the human genome isn't an argument.\nAnd as I said, if you think that sentience is possible during the first trimester, you are free to present your arguments."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm a biologist, so maybe i can give you a more or less accurate answer, though there is nothing particularly interesting to say.\nA human is a human, no matter the age or the stage of development. Species is defined by your genetics, not stage of development.\nSperm and oocytes are also human, but not a new human, they are a part of you. This is defined so, because they contain only your DNA, no foreign DNA (though they do not contain all of your DNA). From the point of conception, it is technically a new human, with a never before existing genetic makeup.\nSo from th point of conception that is a new human.\nFrom what point is the human embrio a person is a different question. And a bit harder to answer. But i can say that neurulation (formation of the brain, the spinal chord and the peripheral nervous system) starts at week 3 and is complete by week 6. By this point the brain is functional, and active, and capable of forming memories (we don't remember these as adults, but they do form)."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't know. I can't view humanity without the religious context, so I'd probably just say \"never\" if you force me to give a secular answer. I suppose conception if I'm forced to answer, because it has unique genetic data"}, {"id": 140, "content": "Until the creature can live and survive independently of caregivers. For some, they aren't truly born until they're in their 30's."}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>138\n>From what point is the human embrio a person is a different question. And a bit harder to answer.\n\nMainly because \"person\" is abstract and arbitrary as fuck as a term.\n300 years ago in the US, niggers weren't persons because it was deemed convenient.\nNowdays it's human fetus and embryos who aren't."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>13\n>>12\n>>10\n>>11\nThey can be human without being equals.\nEquality among Equals.\nWe dont have to engage in mental gymnastics to justify killing people, people are put to the sword all the time."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nThe usage of words changes. If you don't like that, perhaps you should stop calling abortion murder, since abortion has not always been considered murder in every society. Or better yet, just stop using language altogether."}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>7\nBut that is not a sufficient condition for personhood."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>28\nIt becomes POSSIBLE for a person to be sentient when they have widespread subcortico-cortical brain activity in both hemispheres (this happens at the end of the second trimester). Before then, they are unable to form any conception of life, awareness, death. \"They\" aren't anything yet. The fetus have the same level of being as bacteria: metabolism, homeostasis, a genetic code. Not much else really."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>66\nIf you are an atheist you have no reason to make moral exceptions for human life over animal life other than on the basis of observed characteristics of conscious life."}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>28\nlate stage abortions are done by initiating a birth\nso if it's really late, like 8 months+ you grab it by its legs and repeatedly smash it to the ground like a fish\nit's ok because a baby in the womb is mostly asleep anyway so they aren't human"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is there some sort of russian or orthodox equivalent to outremer/ultramar (the crusader states/levant) word wise or concept wise? what would an orthodox holy warrior be called in russian or gayreek? crusader isnt right since they didnt crusade but they are pretty religious and were constantly dealing with pagans and taking their land so there must be a concept of a holy warrior. orthodox also have a presence in jerusalem and i think control some of the main christian holy sites too"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>orthodox\nGeorgia had both the concept of the Holy War/Crusade and militant Clergy actively involved in wars. In this regard, Georgian Orthodoxy was more distinct from Byzantine tradition and was more akin to the Latin Church. It was also oriented toward liberating Jerusalem as well, even after the dissolution of the unified Georgian monarchy, as evidenced by the letters from Simon I of Kartli toward Phillip II of Spain.\n>what would an orthodox holy warrior be called in russian or gayreek?\nI don't know about them, but we literally called them Crusaders or Cross-bearers.\nt. actual Georgian\n\nP.S. the book \"The Ideology of War in Georgia and the Near East: Christian Holy War and Islamic Jihad\" describes this pretty well. Unfortunately, the English part of the book is significantly shortened and isnt well written, but it still gives the general idea.\nhttps://rustaveli.org.ge/res/docs/9c7e9ff709d2c3a64cf522ed45761344a78e25e1.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3bi7fOlGEzHHldztO5kVV2Gv1Vgael3vqcmBamLpem5X35hbH1nsO_3tU"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nwell just using google translate it says the russian word for crusader and cross bearer are the same thing"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there some sort of russian or orthodox equivalent to outremer/ultramar (the crusader states/levant)\nNot the Kievan Rus we’re busy getting skull fucked by the Tartars.\n\nAlso Oriental Orthadoxy is infinitely superior to EO"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe virgin Georgia VS. The chad Armenian"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is there some sort of russian or orthodox equivalent to outremer/ultramar (the crusader states/levant) word-wise or concept-wise?\nWordwise I assume probably. Concept wise no I don't think the Orthodox ever had something like Outremer. The Orthodox mostly spent the middle ages getting shafted and not expanding much."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nCouldn't even venture into siberia until the 1500s"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\n>evidenced by the letters from Simon I of Kartli toward Phillip II of Spain\nWhere can I find transcripts of these letters?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nUnfortunately, I wasn't able to find an English transcript for it, so I'll try to translate the relevant parts myself from the Collection \"Georgia in European Archives and Libraries\" (Tabagua, 1984, p.224) This particular letter is written in 1596.\n>In the Name of Lord Jesus Christ\n>I write this Letter of Peace with Cordiality to you, King of Kings and Leader of all Christians, Most August among the Kings of the Christian Sovereigns, Philip. Thus receive this letter from me, thy servant.\n>Glory and Praise to our lord Jesus Christ, that granted Power and Might to your Kingdom and to your dear Caesar [Means Rudolph II von Habsburg] who made the Autocratic Emperorship more renowned and he, the Autocrat sent us his letters of Peace and Friendship, that ask us for unity, in order to expel and exterminate the enemies of Christendom and subhuman Turkish kind.\n>Us, Sovereign of Kartli Simon, Alexander Sovereign of the East [Means kingdom of Kakheti], and Abbas, Shah of Perisans have discussed, and decided to fight against the Turk, break its horns, liberate the holy city of Jerusalem from the heathen enemies of believers of Christ.\n>We are ready to be martyred and die for the faith of Christ, our God, if we would be able to see in our time the Holy City of Jerusalem with Holy Sepulchre under the rulership of Christian Monarchs.\n\nAnother Letter, whose English transcript I actually DID find can be read here, on page 215, but it's not related to liberation of Jerusalem.\nhttps://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/229451391.pdf"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>shah of the persians\n>liberate the holy city of Jerusalem from the heathen enemies of believer of christ\n\nwhat did he mean by this ?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How euphoric is Calvinism? What does it feel like to not have free will?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Like shit apparently, considering Calvin was a maniac puritanical dictator."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Calvinists don't deny the existence of free will."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Calvin was a dictator\nIn what sense?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>euphoric\nYou're really hitting the nail on the head. They're the fedoras of christianity."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Occasionally you will see gurus in India who live this way: they speak to no one, they sleep wherever they happen to get tired, they rummage through garbage bins looking for scraps… They give up on all of the illusions and delusions of living in the human world and commit themselves to the higher reality, allowing nature to provide for their physical manifestations as it sees fit."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally the only logically coherent version of Christianity, no requirement for thousands upon thousands of pages of cope as in preceding tradition."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLook up \"cage-stage\". It's not euphoric at all."}, {"id": 9, "content": "It feels ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, because God receives ALL THE GLORY.\n>The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.\nproverbs 16:9"}, {"id": 10, "content": "I think people often forget the mystical side to the reformed tradition. There are a lot of passages in reformed thinkers like Knox where they feel a great happiness in Christ.\nI know hearing 'calvinism' we've been conditioned to think of dour faces and drab clothes, but that's not any more true than any other Christian sect."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nhttps://hekint.org/2019/05/28/john-calvin-his-rule-in-geneva-and-his-many-illnesses/"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>5\n>>6\nI have a sneaking suspicion that you haven’t read any Reformed theology, beyond a couple of online articles perhaps, and maybe a video or two."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\n>To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand reformed theology...\nFedora."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nUnpleasant read. He sounds like a reprobate."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNo, you have to have a fear and reverence for God"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nSproul isn’t reverential, he discusses theology like a car mechanic"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\n>>13\nAre you unable to think or communicate in any other way than internet meme speak?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nHow do you discuss theology? With crass language and meme-speak?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nlex orandi, lex credendi"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nNo, but being a meme yourself, it would be more than you deserve."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>3\n>Calvinists don't deny the existence of free will\nOnly when it's convenient. Their theology is entirely inconsistent. And when you illustrate that in very blatant terms, they just say that you don't understand Calvinism or that you are misrepresenting it."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHmm, perhaps you genuinely don't understand Calvinism if everyone keeps telling you this? Have you ever considered that more likely than everyone else being wrong but you?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nCope, you're following a trailer trash religion."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>Hmm, perhaps you genuinely don't understand Calvinism if everyone keeps telling you this?\nIt's not about what they tell me, it's what they tell everybody. James White does this to everybody he debates. When cornered in his own submissions, he doesn't acknowledge the logical problems, he just says that you don't understand Calvinism you or misrepresenting it. They all do this the same thing. Not just to me."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>11\nWhat the absolute fuck is wrong with Calvin.\nDirk and the other tripfag have some explaining to do."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nCalvinism is not 'trailer trash religion'. That would probably be the Baptists."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nDude was psychotic"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>17\nI'm not unable, but I'm unwilling."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>>21\nI believe Calvinists believe that all actions taken by individuals are due to their free will, however, God already knows the outcome of what they decide to do."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nLet's not what they believe though. They believe God is sovereign over all things. And that saying we have free will means God is not sovereign over us."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nTo add to this, you just described open theism. Which is contrary to Calvinism. I don't think there's a mainstream Christian alive that doesn't recognize God already knows the outcomes of our decisions."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nIn school we were taught \"Calvin said everyone who sins was predestined to Hell so people hated him because they figured they shouldn't even try to repent if they were all predestined.\" I figured that was a simplification of it or something. That was in AP Euro."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nThat's more or less what it teaches. But a little too broad of a stroke. It says that free will does not exist. That God predestines everything. That the moment you say there's something God did not predestine, you are eliminating the sovereignty of God in the universe. So a child raping a child is something that God predestined. It wasn't up to the rapist. The rapist wasn't in charge. God predestined it. There was no way for the rapist to avoid it. It was God that decreed the event would happen. God specifically made him and most people just to send them to hell and torture forever. And there was nothing anybody could ever do about it. That's Calvinism. It's completely in line with their theology. They hate when it is illustrated this way, so they just tell you that you don't understand Calvinism even tho it's completely in line with their theology and that can't point out where it's wrong."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>4\nHe murdered people that disagreed with him like Servetus."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nIn real (unfallen) Christianity, God is all-good and doesn’t do bad things"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>real (unfallen) Christianity\nWhat the fuck is this and why is life shit?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nHe roasts babies for all eternity."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nThat's correct. Calvinism makes God out to be worse than the devil."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nIncorrect. Babies don't go to hell."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nBecause man has tried to exist without God"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nThey do if they're not elect."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nA baby who died would be elect. They have no sin on their record, so death cannot hold them. I'm sure in Calvinism it's different and they have burning tortured babies. But that theology is satanic."}, {"id": 43, "content": "Still have yet to hear a satisfactory Calvinist argument against understanding predestination as referring to the church corporately and not individual believers."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>33\nAs a hypersupralapsarian that is a great way to describe it. School shooters, genocide, famine, these are ordained by God. Suffering comes about when we substitute our fallen judgment for God's inscrutable plan."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>30\n>Let's not what they believe though. They believe God is sovereign over all things.\nAnd that's completely compatible with the existence of free will."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>36\nAnything not of Him IS SHIT. That tells you a lot why its an ascetic religion and world rejecting."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>17\nTo be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand internet meme speak."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nWhy are you on 4chan?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>34\nHe didn't have a choice"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>44\n>>33\nAnd what's wrong with that? It actually solves this paradox with God's being either good or all-powered."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nNot very satisfactorily imo but I guess that's one way to look at it."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\n>not very satisfactorily\nThere's no another decision as shit still happens and in the Bible itself God was clearly stated as all-powered but never was stated as \"moral\" at all."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>50\nThe problem with that is that it plainly makes God the author of evil. \"God allows [more accurately: causes] evil to happen to his creation for H I S G L O R Y\" is a bafflingly immoral position.\n\n>>52\n> never was stated as \"moral\" at all.\nThe problem of evil is presupposed with God being moral and good, so this seems like a strange position."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n>plainly\nI feel no pain about that. Why do you feel?\n>evil\nIt was stated pretty clearly that the only unconditional \"evil\" is disobedience while Jesus, for example, openly accepted slavery.\n>God being moral and good\nThe only \"moral\" qualities He described Himself were mercifulness and loving that He is showing with choosing the elect."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\nYes he did. He could have just followed the law and banished him because he wasn’t a Genevan citizen. But instead he went out of his way to murder him."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>12\n>Worker is a dumbfuck proddie\n\nNo surprises there"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>7\nTulip is actually highly suppositional. Calvin reinterprets scripture at certain points and takes it literally at others."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>9\nWhat makes you think this isn't simply saying that God directs the righteous in what they ought to do, and that no matter what man plans, it is God who either allows it or gives growth to the it? Neither of these points undermines free will."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>22\nIt's \"not everyone else\" though. There you go putting words in his mouth again. It's one or two Calvinists."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>55\nIt was supposed to be a joke about Calvinism not having free will"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnyone who purports that free will or the absence thereof can be definitely proven is a moron."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nIf libertarian free will was false, and your choices were predetermined, how could you tell? what would it feel like?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>11\n>Calvin agreed with the sentence and wanted him beheaded. But the council decided to have him slowly roasted at the stake in a fire made expressly of green wood so that it would burn more slowly and prolong his agony.\nWhat the fuck am I reading?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>50\n>And what's wrong with that? It actually solves this paradox with God's being either good or all-powered.\nEasy answer: why the fuck are you putting Logic above God? Just the read the book of Job"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nI like to think of it like God having a superpower to avoid blame"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's the hard tack of religions. The definition of soulless. Man doesn't even have will."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey believe in free servitude instead, I think."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\nFree servitude to usury especially. Calvin was the first theologian to speak positively of it. By the time Calvinism got to England, they were already to enact full kikery in the Bank of England. The Anglos loved them, and later wanted to larp as them (such as in Freemasonry), and behaved like kike bankers themselves (but never topping the master). Cromwell happily resettled Jews in England, but butchered Catholic kids."}, {"id": 69, "content": "you ever notice how the more heretical and bunk these Christian heresies get the more they consistently grow to resemble Islam? food for thought"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nCalvin's Geneva was practically Taliban tier for anyone remotely out of step. People often bring up his burning of Michael Severus, but he did so much worse. He even oversaw the execution of an 8 year old girl for fighting with her parents. No Gospel, no catechesis, no patience for careful discipline. Just cut her head off. This is even in Phillip Schaff's History of the Christian Church (volume 7). He was a Swiss born Presbyterian himself."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nMichael Servetus*"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nhttps://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2018/05/calvin-beheading-child-in-geneva.html\n\n>If all these historians are describing the same event, there is one blatant fact mentioned by Paul Henry and Jean Picot that, for some unknown reason, Will Durant, Charles Beard, and Philip Schaff left out. It was also a fact mentioned but downplayed by Mr. Babinski: the year of the incident: 1568, in which some of the accounts say the beheading took place. What was John Calvin, the despotic tyrant doing in 1568? Was he staring down the child in Genevan court as a prosecutor, boldly proclaiming God's law was broken and the child must be punished with death? Was he watching the beheading of a child for breaking God's law? No, Calvin was at rest in his grave.\n\n>The (unknown) English translation of Picot says it was not simply striking of the parents, but rather a beating of a father and step-mother. It makes one wonder exactly how old this child was that it beat both parents. This \"beating\" should at least rule out that it was a young child having a temper tantrum \"striking\" the parents in adolescent defiance. Even if it was an older teenager, it would not justify the death penalty in our day and culture, but it does make one wonder exactly what the other details may have been to provoke such a harsh sentence in that time period. How severe was this beating?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>62\nThe same is true of the opposite."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>44\n>suffering comes about when we [exert our free will in some manner]\nWhy do calvinists pretend we don't have free will but argue exactly as if we have it? Why are you even trying to convince others if we don't have free will?"}, {"id": 75, "content": "God chose the Israelites and not the other way around. It seems like it makes more sense to say God chose the elect too."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>73\nok"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nPersuasion causing you to act in a certain manner, is perfectly compatible with determinism"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>77\nYou're not \"causing people to act in a certain manner\", you're making them reflect, use their intellect, and they can agree or disagree with you, which requires free will."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\nNone of that requires libertarian free will."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>63\nchristians \"used to\" fucking love burning people alive. it's ironic, isn't it"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nWow, I guess the concepts of agreement and disagreement disproves determinism\n\nCalvin never thought of that\nlmao, fucking dumbass"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>81\nThe very fact that you're trying to change people's behavior by arguing only makes sense if we have free will."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nWhat explains why I chose to make this post, rather than not?\nhint: It can't be my free will, as that would also be the explanation if I didn't make the post.\nIf free will explains both making the post, and not making the post - it does NOT explain why one instead of the other."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nYou can't decide what happens to you but you're free to react in different ways based on your assessment of reality (ie, how much you're interested in it) and your level of fear of God. That's why some people who experience extreme hardship turn evil and others are strengthened through it. Why reveal laws if you want people to disobey them? And what are you trying to reach if not my free will to agree with you? How can any relationship with God be significant if we're nothing more than objects? Why are you angry when particularly vicious crimes are committed? You're angry because those people could have acted differently and you know it."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>83\nWhat's the point of God saying the following, if we don't have free will?\n>29If only they had such a heart to fear Me and keep all My commandments always, so that it might be well with them and with their children forever."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\n>>85\nLook, God knows I will make this post - and is never wrong\nIt would be impossible for me not to make it, that would entail a contradiction (that God was wrong)\n\nI am not \"free\" to do the impossible\nIt's not possible for me to choose not to make it.\nI just think it's nonsense to say \"I could have done the impossible\""}, {"id": 87, "content": "Just because God knows how you'll act freely doesn't mean you don't really act freely.\nWhat's the point of making us believe we have free will if we don't have it?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>87\nWhat the heck do you even mean by 'act freely' ???\n\nI take a (free?) choice to be choosing among two or more options.\nThere's no freedom in picking among 1 \"option\", the one that God knows you will pick."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nYou confuse knowing and doing."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\nYou think some half-baked slogan is going to make this go away?\nYou don't have to reply if you are not going to engage with the post"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>62\nRead Kant. Theorizing about Free Will is theorizing about the unconditioned because the phenomenon of Free Will is the ground of any action. It is the fabric of action and to peel behind it is or try to imagine an alternate scenario is so alien to our experience. That's like asking \"what does non-being feel like.\"\nAll we can do is argue about a coherent understanding of the concept of \"free will\" that resolves the contradiction between our phenomenal experience of freedom and mechanistic laws."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>91\nthis is such clowning, lol\nIf we presuppose that you're right (that determinism is false), of course it's going to be nonsensical to talk about determinism being true\n\n>Free Will is the ground of any action. It is the fabric of action\nNice assertion. Do I believe this? Did Kant provide reasons to believe this? Is it rationally permissible to disagree with them?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>3\ncalvinists are supposedto deny it but denying free will is a high IQ endeavour and calvinists are christians."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>88\nYou chose freely according to your heart's desires. How is that not a free choice?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nthe \"according to\" part is the clue."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>95\nGod can't choose to act against his own nature. Are his choices therefore not free?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Russia dodged a potentially fatal haplocurse from N\nRussia’s luck continues to hold"}, {"id": 2, "content": "R1a is getting destroyed by R1b's master (J2)."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ni believe spengler predicted this"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You guys are all a bunch of racist, prejudice, bigots"}, {"id": 2, "content": "not racist just don't like em"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyeah but arguing about history is inconsequential. at least it's not /k/ or /pol/. just teenagers arguing with low IQ feds all day"}, {"id": 4, "content": "correct"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Sometimes different groups are different."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">conquer an entire continent with 200 men\n>Cant defeat 5k moorish garrison with 24k soldiers\n????????"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">So many of Charles' troops were taken captive that there was a glut of slaves on the market in Algiers, so that 1541 was said to be the year when Christians were sold for the price of an onion per head.[21]"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nonionbros..."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt doesn't matter how many troops you have if you can't/don't utilize them against the enemy effectively."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsudacas were smply THIS bad at war"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nI would just buy a few wait for a rally on prices then sell them for a qt virgin girl (female). Fuck am I gonna do with some hairy nasty Christcucks."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Siege\n\nyou got your anwer. just look up the siege of malta"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Kek"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nOh no hispbros"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>8\n>>9\n>those R1b slaves managed to turn 20% of nafris into R1b\nE1betabux.....\nwe were broken...."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThey are not 20% r1b"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nDuke Nukem: Ass for pounding"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>>8\n>>1 (OP)\nHow you won as Spanish commander?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nKabyles are 20% R1b."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>2\nHoly shit you know the Jews made bank"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Troops were disembarked on 23 October, and Charles established his headquarters on a land promontory surrounded by German troops.[12] German, Spanish, and Italian troops, accompanied by 150 Knights of Malta, began to land while repelling Algerine opposition, soon surrounding the city, except for the northern part.[3]\n\n>The fate of the city seemed to be sealed, however the following day the weather became severe, with heavy rain. Many galleys lost their anchors, and 15 were wrecked onshore. Another 33 carracks sank, while many more were dispersed.[14] As more troops were attempting to land, the Algerines started to make sorties, slaughtering the newly arrived. Charles V was surrounded, and was only saved by the resistance of the Knights of Malta.[15]\n\nwhat the fuck? so my animays were right? how bad ass can a few knights actually be that 150 are worth taking along and then actually help save a disastrous situation? is there any satisfactory explanation for this? were the 150 knights each accompanied by like 20 squires or something?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would have happened if Japan won the Imjin Wars and conquered Korea? Would they successfully taken it over and assimilated the Koreans like the Ainu or Ryukyans, or would it sort of be Japan's Ireland? Thoughts?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "who caaares bro just like live in the moment lmao"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ming would never have allowed it. If the japanese pushed even harder than they did historically the ming would end up committing the majority of their forces and probably annexing korea altogether to prevent future japanese incursions."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis.\nEssentially for Japan to annex Korea they would have had to decisively defeat not just Korea (which they struggled to do beyond the initial one-sided engagements in the south) but also China, which was basically impossible."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nAlso, Korea would have been forming righteous armies and engaging in guerilla warfare. This was the height of neo-confucianism in Korea. In real life when the Qing won they still LARPed as though Ming existed because of their master and servant relationship to them, if Japan won the Koreans wouldn't just lay down and accept it like they did in 1910 after Japan BTFO'd the failing Qing, who they never really liked in the first place."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Ireland's a better comp than Ainu or Ryukyu, there are and always were a LOT more Koreans.\n>>3\nWhat if the Ming lose too? The dynasty fell within a half-century of the Imjin War, and Hideyoshi did fantasize about conquering China."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt really depends on if the Jurchens/Manchus could become Japanese allies, which is hard to believe given they were the bulk of Chinese forces that fought the Japs in Korea. That would probably only happen if Japan controlled Korea until the Ming collapsed, which would be a tall but not necessarily impossible order. I could also see Japan moving into Siberia/Sakhalin much earlier than in our timeline as well."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nI mean, to be fair China doesn't have the best track record fighting the Japanese outside of this war..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nAlso fully revived horde of Mongol BVLL"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nJapan lost most of its pre-19th Century wars with China."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy the fuck did Korean infantry not have armor in this war?\n\nI feel like half of Joseon's military issues would be solved if their infantry wore armor like the fucking Japs & Chinks."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\ndex > def"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>6\nThe Qing conquest of the Ming took over twenty years, was one of the deadliest wars in human history, and Ming holdouts were still causing trouble years later. Hideyoshi conquering China was always a complete pipe dream."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKoreans are the weakest out of all the East Asians. They lived the majority of their history as the little bitches of China then got conquered by NipBVLLs."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nThey did have armor and there are dozens of documents providing evidence of wartime production.\n>if their infantry wore armor like the fucking Japs & Chinks.\nKorean infanteers had very little melee training whatsoever because the court decided to outlaw weapon sparring, village to village fighting events (excluding wrestling) due to casualties. They also decided to dismantle the elite targeteers after the coup so the princes won't use them as personal troops."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nIf they were weak they'd be Chinese or Japanese by now lol. They're like the Poland of Asia, always at the wrong place at the wrong time."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nJaps beat the Yuan dynasty several times."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\njapan couldn't even conquer china in the 1940s with vastly superior tech organization logistics and quality of soldiers. they had zero chance in 1590"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIDK why people think Japan would ever conquer China. Japan back then is not 1930s Japan. Japan didn't even control Hokkaido or the Ryukyus back then."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "With the upcoming coronation, can someone redpill me on the English monarchy and its importance and unimportance."}, {"id": 2, "content": "hasn't been relevant sinces charles i"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnbridled twink-tier fagg*try"}, {"id": 4, "content": "There hasn't been a right-wing faction in England since 1688. The \"monarchy\" since then is in fact a pantomime operated under the total dictatorship of parliament that keeps the show running as a sick joke; to ridicule the past of a once-great nation simply because it can."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe royals are more German and Scottish than they are English.\nSome say the monarchy is just a tradition, a figurehead, with no power, a relic from the past.\nBut they still have real power and influence, King Charles has secretly written to PM's to change laws, so did the Queen, to get exceptions and so on.\nThe media are obsessed with them and fawn over them."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIs it the same with the house of lords?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nEvery single monarch is German. Google right now what the King of Spain and the King of Greece look like."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nYeah even the Queen's husband Prince Philip, spoke German before he learned English\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v_Zy9pP66E&ab_channel=Stibitzer [Embed]"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWhy did they all become German?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho was the coolest king?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNot sure about the other royals.\n\nBut last of the Stuart monarch, who were of Scottish descent, Queen Anne died with no heir. Parliament wanted a protestant monarch, so the other Catholic Stuarts weren't suitable. So they shipped over a distant German cousin of Queen Anne, George of Hanover, to become King."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nI'm not British (Irish) but it's my understanding that the House Of Lords' membes are either in the pocket of established land-lording families or are actual family members themselves. Most of the British countryside is own by a handful of families and has been for centuries. British politics becomes a lot of schizophrenic when you consider that these people are fairly formidable players."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nAll of Europe has been ruled by Germanic monarchs since at least Charlemagne."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nbecomes a lot less schizophrenic*\nI'm drunk\n>surprise surprise"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWasn't Charlemagne a Frank?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nOnly a small number of peers are aristocrats. Tony Blair got rid of most of them. They cannot pass down their peerages any more and will eventually all be gone. Most of the Lords are old has-been politicians, appointed by outgoing Prime Ministers.\nThe lords is a revising chamber, doesn't have any serious power, reviews legislation, to make sure it is sound."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>English monarchy\nThe monarchs are Germans."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\nThey married into it. That's how the Romanovs became German at least."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nAnd the anglo saxons are german so its a perfect fit"}, {"id": 20, "content": "Are there any nations that are still monarchies? Like true monarchies, not just symbolically"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nSome Arab countries"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nkek"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>9\nAll the world is subject to Austria."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nhapsburg restoration when?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nNope. Monarchies only survives nowadays by ceding power to a parliament and becoming pseudo-merchant politicians, like the Brits did. Modern technology makes it impossible for a true monarchy to exist"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nWouldnt a monarchy work better in the internet age?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>16\nHow did Blair get rid of these families (which I know next to nothing about)? Do you actually know about this? These same families actually own a sizeable piece of Dublin's real estate (though they've sold quite a lot of it in the past 10 years)"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nNo? Monarchy only thrived in Europe and the Near East because of the people's belief in the Divine Right to Rule™ or whatever the Arabs called their version of it. If anything, widespread information dissemination throughout the general population will only increase demand for democratic government. I'm a geniune, old-school Republican myself"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>4\nKek. In the US, this is taught as a matter of fact in poli-sci circles"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nIt's pretty much true but any single politician or even single political party for that matter that would openly display hostility to the Royal Family had better be prepared not to win an election for the next 15-20 years. The Royal Family, while you're operating in England, is for all intents and purposes, untouchable beyond backroom banter"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nI guess I'm thinking more in term of a governance structure as opposed to a vehicle for representing ideals. I guess I'm becoming a bit cynical when I see that representative democracy has entered it plundering stage."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nAs a real life example (I'm the Irish anon), when the IRA killed Mountbatten every Catholic in NI held their breath waiting for the British to finally throw all their weight into the Troubles and were overcome with relief when the total war never came.\n>most Catholics didn't want to escalate the conflict btw and just wanted the fighting to be over by then"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>20\nBhutan\nBrunei\nSaudi Arabia\nUAE\nQatar\nKuwait\nOman ?\nYemen ?\n\nThat's about it."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nI think a monarchy relies on ruling over a country with much, much greater social cohesion than we have today"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nI forgot... Morocco and Jordan as well."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nI wonder if it would be possible to form a quasi-monarchical government through the internet. It would probably be more like a club, but it still would be an interesting experiment."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nBTW these are de jure, not de facto forms of government. Basically what the political systems are supposed to be according to the constitution not what they are in practice.\n\nBlue = Presidential Republic\nYellow = Semi-Presidential Republic\nOrange = Parliamentary Republic\nLight Green = Parliamentary Presidential (Weird South African system)\nRed = Constitutional / Parliamentary Monarchy\nBrown = One Party State (Communist)\nGreen = Constitutional Military Dictatorship\nPurple = Absolute Monarchy\nLight Purple = \"Executive Monarchy\" (Very similar to absolute monarchy with a meme Parliament)"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nThere are rumors Charles was molested by Mountbatten. (Mountbatten, like Andrew, was a known diddler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma#Sexuality_and_child_abuse_allegations) and thus when he was killed by duh 'ra Charles was grateful, which is why he's always so nice to SF.\nhttps://youtu.be/20LMxIL5LcY [Embed]\nIt's all speculation and conjecture, but I can't see any other reason he'd be as pally with Republicans as he is. He clearly doesn't mind the fact Mountbugger was offed."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\nIt would fail because you couldn't physically beat the shit out of anyone disobeying the King"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>27\n>Do you actually know about this?\nYeah Blair passed the House of Lords Act 1999"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nEither way, thank fuck we got the GFA. The IRA was high on their own hype at that point, we just wanted jobs and equal say in the running of the province"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nWell, the system could be constructed around the granting of privileges based on loyalty and achievements. And the punishment could be the denial of benefits. But I'm realizing that I'm just recreating project mayhem from fight club or the catholic church lol"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nBoth of those have actual negative consequences for disobedience. Don't fall into the modern trap of thinking you can train a dog with purely positive reinforcement"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nThats true. So, one of the duties a member of this online monarchical state must fulfill is finding disloyal members and kicking the shit out of them. After said shitkicking, Charles will send you a cameo saying well done"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nGood for NI generally, but in a way it's sad to see the IRA become a bunch of drug peddlers and kneecappers, to go from fighting for a cause to that.\nI fear what happens when the referendum on unification with Ireland is held, even if it loses it'll cause an uptick in terrorism, and if it wins God only knows what the loyalists will do. I hope all their bluster is impotent and it's simply a, for lack of a better analogy, post-apartheid tier exodus back to the motherland."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nThe IRA men of today aren't the IRA men of yesterday, they're just using the name for its reputation. Working class Catholics have no reason to support any uptick in violence and would happily denounce the IRA if they were the aggressors. We have everything we fought for, Catholics live and thrive in peace and can celebrate their culture and history openly. It all depends on the Protestant community imo, it's pretty obvious they feel threatened by the changing tide but they geniunely wouldn't be ill-treated in a Catholic majority NI or even in the Republic. However if the Protestant community decides to lash out then old wounds will open on the Catholic side and the peace-loving everyday Catholics will remember what it was like to be afraid to leave their homes and won't hesitate to do a 180 and swing right back into fighting again"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>9\nWhat part of ‘Master Race’ did you not understand?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>20\nLichtenstein"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>7\n\nThere isn't a king of Greece.\n\n>>17\n\nWierd that people keep saying that a white man born in London is actually a German, but those same people became enraged when someone said a black woman born in London is actually a Nigerian."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>29\nIt isn't taught in the UK?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>13\nThat is a weir way to write Rothschild."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>importance\nMore like impotence. They have no power, they are rich fucks who never had to work a day in their lives. They used to be allowed to fuck any woman they wanted in the kingdom now they have to creep around like your average rich fuck."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>49\n>Wierd that people keep saying that a white man born in London is actually a German, but those same people became enraged when someone said a black woman born in London is actually a Nigerian.\nDo you think you’re on Reddit kek those are two different types of people"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>53\n\nYou don't think UK republicans call the Windsors Germans?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>25\n>Modern technology makes it impossible for a true monarchy to exist\nCould you please elaborate?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nWhile we are on the subject I just want to point out that Charles has a distinct English look."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>49\nThere IS a king of Greece, anon."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\n\nOk, who is the king of Greece."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nAren't Mountbattens Norman?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>15\nYeah, the Germanic Franks /his/let"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nKing Ioseph Mamapolous IV"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>52\nThey have power but they don't exercise it."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>i want to be your tampon\nhow does he handle the embarrassment from everyone knoiwing that?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWait, that hasn't happened yet?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nThey don't get coronated until there's a sunny day in England."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>17\nAnd the prime minister is Indian."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nclowns lol"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>t. pajeet"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What makes a person more likely to be a mass killer than a serial killer and vice-versa?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSocioeconomic factors"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDifferent times"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Autism"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMass killers are desperate and crazy, serial killers are usually just perverts."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMass killers want attention, serial killers want sexual satisfaction."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Spree killers just snap\n\nSerial killers do it for the sexual thrill"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI used to be a script kiddy. Pwning boxes was addictive and part of the thrill was playing with the people trying to catch you. You start out small and push things more and more until you're doing things you never thought you would. It's about power."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why couldn't capitalism solve racism? Surely a business would rather make more money by serving white and black patrons?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Surely a business would rather make more money by serving white and black patrons?\nIf a business served black customers than the racist white customers would refuse to go to that business anymore."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGovernment interference, like all things that go wrong with society."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n\"The customer is always right.\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf there were two restaurants in my town, one that only served whites and one that allowed both whites and blacks, how may white people do you really think would go to the integrated restaurant?\n\nThe truth is that segregation fits real human preferences better than integration does."}, {"id": 6, "content": "How does industrialization solve racism?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>unknown\n>using government to enforce segregation good\n>using government to enforce desegregation bad\nYou're still siccing your dog on private citizens, you statist kike weasel."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nDepends, how good is the food?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nThat statement is a lie, the business owner/manager is always right even if the customer disagrees\n>>unknown\nThose soldiers didn't go far enough, they should have actually shot/bayonetted them and not just posed for cameras"}, {"id": 10, "content": "White customers had more money and power so they decided if black people were part of society or not"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>unknown\nYou post this as if we didn't know the government was forcing desegregation"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWhen Jews do that to whitey it's le racist tragedy though ;("}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nOnly for the Whites who still want a multi-racial society, you won't find any segregationist Whites eating kosher."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nis racism a problem to solve?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nDepends on the degree I suppose"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA lot of restaurants served black customers out of the back end of the restaurant. In any case the government telling businesses who they HAVE to do business with is just as retarded as not serving both."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe nation's collective productivity isn't sufficient to support an uber-wealthy ruling class AND a high quality of life for everyone else. So there are two solutions:\n\n>1) Redistribute the wealth of the uber-wealthy among the populace so that everyone may enjoy a high quality of life, or...\n>2) Invent a lower caste of individual who will suffer a reduced quality of life.\n\nThe uber-wealthy have wielded their influence such that there isn't enough political will for option 1, so the only alternative is option 2. Thus, the lower caste is exploited through low wages, prison slave labor, and predatory housing policy so the fruits of their productivity may flow to the higher castes. Recently, however, the uber-wealthy have been diverting more and more of this wealth to themselves, forgetting that the entire arrangement relies on the upper caste being pacified with their relatively high quality of life."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>4\nlmao Most customers are fucking retarded who don't even know what they want."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou're along the right lines but you're a little too retarded to fully get it, hit me with another post so I can reevaluate."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>In any case the government telling businesses who they HAVE to do business\nIf you use government amenities and resources you do, if you are a private club then you can (a and many still do) be as exclusive as you want. The nature of private and public businesses isn't a clear but binary thing which makes it even more complicated."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>9\n>the business manager is always right\nUntil they're wrong, anyway. Open a book"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nMidwits always get filtered by that line."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>14\nNot in the past 60 years"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nYes but restaurants don't do that. The concept of things like restaurants and hotels being \"public\" and therefore subject to government laws is bananas. Although what you brought up is funny, even the most Leftist Senators and Congressman couldn't bear to have nogs and kikes at their golf courses."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>5\nI like black people so I would go to the one with black people."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>even the most Leftist Senators and Congressman couldn't bear to have nogs and kikes at their golf courses.\nYou haven't seen many of them opening over time lol.\n\n>The concept of things like restaurants and hotels being \"public\" and therefore subject to government laws is bananas.\nIt's not. You serve the public or the private"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause reality isn't just the material conditions so people will be racist because they hate other skin tone not cause they are on the wrong position in the means of production"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>7\n>>using government to enforce segregation good\n>>using government to enforce desegregation bad\nYes, you fucking jew. Get the fuck out of my country."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why couldn't capitalism solve racism?\nBecause not everyone's dollar is perceived as the same. If two people make 200k a year but you value Guy A's money more due to how he looks like or his citizenship over Guy B then A's money is just \"worth\" more to you.\n\n>Surely a business would rather make more money by serving white and black patrons?\nIn theory yes but certain patrons or social figures can potentially punish you for serving both in equal capacity rather than having blacks only do take out or sit in the back away from sightlines."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it true that Christianity didn't exist until the 1500s? What do people think happened between then and the life of Christ?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://hekint.org/2019/05/28/john-calvin-his-rule-in-geneva-and-his-many-illnesses/\n\nprotestants are sick fucks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReally?\nI thought Constantine was a Christian I guess I was mistaken."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Christian faith existed since the 1st century:\nhttps://pastelink.net/2w1ne\nbut P*pists and *Os can't recognize proto-protestants so they misrepresent Christians."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nMany people believe he only converted as a political move and continued being a crypto-pagan."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Wrong. Christianity didn't exist until Dirk was enlightened and able to give us the true faith."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholics are more dishonest than atheists."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>proto-protestants\nThe early-fathers were definitely closer to catholic or orthodox, you have to be pretty dishonest to ignore this"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>he trusts atheists\nprotestant moment"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nCreating a strawman proves your dishonesty, retard."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n>Early church fathers virtually rejected icon veneration\n>Most of their OT canon lists are closer to protestants' until the 4th century\n>They said that the Rock in Mt 16:18 was Jesus\n>Justin Martyr understood that the blood of the eucharist was referring to 'blood of the grape' aka wine\n>The Didache stated that the bread was spiritual food not literal flesh\n>1 Clement states Christians are saved by faith"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Revelation is progressive. Society grows but God remains the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The disciples of Jesus wanted to circumcise the world but Paul comes in says that is not what God is looking for but the circumcision of the heart. There is the acceptable, good, and perfect will of God so we don't want to live in the past which is acceptable in God's eyes but is that ever going to be me? Nope. Update your mind before God instead of obeying the traditions of your fathers that you miss it when God comes."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>>Early church fathers virtually rejected icon veneration\nWhat icon veneration? There was none, it developed. What they rejected was idolatry.\n>Most of their OT canon lists are closer to protestants' until the 4th century\nThere was no closed canon during the time of the apostles\n>They said that the Rock in Mt 16:18 was Jesus\nWho? Where?\n>Justin Martyr understood that the blood of the eucharist was referring to 'blood of the grape' aka wine\nSource? Besides you can find plenty of early fathers clearly attesting the real presence\n>The Didache stated that the bread was spiritual food not literal flesh\nWhere?\n>1 Clement states Christians are saved by faith\nWe are, catholics believe this. What's your point?"}, {"id": 14, "content": "Who are you quoting"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Babylonian_Captivity_of_the_Church"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nNo you're not\n>The titular \"captivity\" is firstly the withholding the cup in the Lord's Supper from the laity, the second the doctrine of transubstantiation, and the third, the Roman Catholic Church's teaching that the Mass was a sacrifice and a good work.\nHint: this isn't restorationism\n\n>>16\nNo you're not\n>A belief in a Great Apostasy has been characteristic of the Restorationist tradition of Christianity, which includes unrelated Restorationist groups emerging after the Second Great Awakening, such as the Christadelphians, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Iglesia ni Cristo. These Restorationist groups hold that traditional Christianity, represented by Catholicism, Protestantism and Orthodoxy, has fallen into error and thus, the true faith needs to be restored\nHint: the great awakenings didnt happen in the 16th century"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>13\n>Claim that Paptists and EO are closer to early church fathers\n>proven otherwise\n>\"don't count\"\nJesuits aren't even trying anymore."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>Proven otherwise\nYou didn't prove anything, retard, you just parroted what you heard Gavin Ortlund or some other moron say."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>Ortlund\n>Moron\nUNBELIEVABLE cope"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nHe is dishonest, but it's no wonder you worship him. Like attracts like."}, {"id": 22, "content": "if you're a heretic (i'm not a heretic) you might point to the waldensians, paulicians, other crypto-faggots claiming they knew better than the apostolic fathers. you might claim these cults as keeping real christianity alive during the dark ages (as protties call the middle ages)."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nShow one instance of dishonesty\nOrtlund is the most careful, most irenic theologian on the internet as far as I can tell"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nAnyone who's deep into history and is still protestant is either dishonest or a complete idiot"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI believe you are a protestant seeking to make catholics look like fools"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOnly protestants who practice 'true Christianity' say that and believe that until Shartin Bluther people were horribly mislead and practice a le false gospel/religion no thanks to the wicked Catholic Church aka le whore of Babylon"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Would they have become a Central American style Banana republic? Would they have become Allie’s with the Brit’s? Americans? Someone else? Would the monarchy be likely to be over thrown? Unrelated, but I really like the Hawaii flag."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey'd get annexed by Russia"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Unrelated, but I really like the Hawaii flag.\n\nIt's our only state flag with the British Union Jack on it fyi."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI am aware."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt is also the only state flag with the symbol of a foreign power on it. I actually think they should have made up a new one."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be Japanese territory"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt'd be Japanese until WWII ended, then it would be like Samoa or the rest of the Pacific countries. It'd just be an insignificant island country with a weird history."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nWhy? It reflects their history well."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey might've become a protectorate of a European power simply to stop the Americans from fucking about. A little after the American Missionaries forced through the Bayonet Constitution which paved the way for greater American encroachment, a great number of Greeks, Germans, Austrians, Brits, and Hawaiians transofrmed the local Scheutzen Club into a counter-revolutionary front to restore the monarchy since they'd largely been favoured. The Americans especially hated the Greeks since quickly became very influential, especially with the Hawaiian royals, and with the Native Hawaiians themselves, having promoted their culture and music within their own institutions, and some even fearing conversion was around the corner and potentially Russian influence to return as a result.\nComparing it with other native monarchies, say Tonga, a British protectorate was established, and things very stable. Or Fiji, where the monarchy sold itself to Britain, which imported a great number of Indians resulting in the Fiji Hindis. It'd more likely end up as a middle ground between the two, with the Hawaiian Monarchy remanining, but the islands still open to foreigners and their plantations, especially as sugar cane and pineapples were booming amongst other crops. Regardless, if it were anyone but the Americans, the actual Hawaiian language would fare better."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think the flag indicates Hawaii was on the path towards becoming a British protectorate"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "did she really deserved it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "yes"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "how do protestants cope without receiving the holy communion"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're a jew"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nYes."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBased"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAren't you worried about getting germs and shit from your preist's dirty fingers, when he puts the cracker in your mouth?\nYou don't want to know what kind of places he has been sticking his fingers in."}, {"id": 6, "content": "Historically protestants have more communion in more kinds more often than romanists"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRomish cope. I receive communion every Sunday from a church with valid Apostolic succession."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nCringe"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nlutherans take communion every sunday, so do most baptists."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBy going to hell."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nDo your homework, zoomzoom."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nWho are you quoting?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nNobody..?\nAre you having a stroke?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Tell me about the history of Eibar."}, {"id": 2, "content": "what a shithole"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ashkenazi Hasidic Chosen Race\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2RA7Aufes4 [Embed]\n\nTop tier best civilization builders:\n\n1. Ashkenazi Hasidic Jew\n2. Japanese\n3. Nordic Scandinavian\n4. Persian Iranian"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEat curb kike"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nList of civilizations askhoids have created\n>The shtetl as an entity and the pale of settlement at large\n>Paralele pseudo tribal shitholes inside of ghettos.\n>Israel kind of but Zionism rejects Judaism as we know it so it's a grey area. Plus multiculti jew country with resentful arab minority.\n>Nothing else\nBuild some civilizations first before calling yourself the top one civilization builder, moshe.\n>Inb4 but the west\nThat is at best a symbiotic relationship. At worst it's parasitism."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>this is at best a symbiotic relationship. At worst it's parasitic.\nIt's exclusively parasitic and consciously so."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Still the worst schizo. Remove him, jannies, nobody likes his threads."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "bruh why dis nigguh angry?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>its not racism when a black person says it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis post violates a rule.\nThis post is off topic."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm 100% sure that's a black woman that wrote that. Black men can cope by falling back on racial fetishizing of their group. Literally nobody wants black women including black men. Look up the stats."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThank God. That's one less future white person. Just one more mutt to add to the pile.\n\nBrasil Numero Uno!!!!!"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlack women exist to take the cock of superior races"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno idea given that nibbas can do much better\n\nhe must be american"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\ntoo bad the superior race's cock is already taken by superior women"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was his power level?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that Muhammad (Piss Be Upon Him)?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe at least scales at Naruto the Last Movie as the moon was cut in half there."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You Wakeup as Hitler. Its March 1942. How do you win on the Eastern Front?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHire more jewish scientists to invent the nuke. theyre smarter than white people"}, {"id": 3, "content": "concentrate everything on moscow and the center of the soviet rail network of supply distribution"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNever could of won. The wehrmacht was a paper tiger.\nAfter failing to capture Moscow. I would do a Napoleon and do a full retreat"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>could of"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Its March 1942\nIt's pretty much over at that point. Your best hope is to negotiate a white peace."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>streamline the war production and ease up the maintenance issues by cancelling the useless superweapon projects and all the thousand different vehicle/megatank variations\n>actually supply the Romanians and Hungarians with anti-tank weaponry and artillery and grant them licences to produce our stuff on their own\n>don't split the Army Group South in two. Focus on Stalingrad first before pushing to Caucasus\n>actually prepare the Panther line"}, {"id": 8, "content": "The war is basically lost at this point, the best thing to do is maintain a strong position to force a negotiation.\n\nThe answer is war of attrition.\nThe soviets had lost a large part of its best manpower from occupation and casualties. By 1945 the soviets had no more reserves, and the red army had to be immediately demobilized to get the men back into civilian life to avoid a economic and social collapse. Russia never fully recovered from its demographic losses even to this day.\n\nSo the answer for Germany is to abandon all kinds of wasteful abd futile operations to capture key strategic locations, nor to hold on to the current frontline at all cost.\nInstead adopt a highly mobile defensive position where you allow room for withdraws and attacks based upon actions by the red army. Forbid city fighting where German casualties are high, instead fight in the open where German tactical superiority can be best utilized. Maintain a high K/D ratio, pick your fights with surgical precision, encircle and destroy.\nWhen the allies finally invade, allow them to capture western Europe with little resistance. Relentlessly offer both sides a seperate peace. Three different scenarios will happen:\n\n1. Allies will might be more lenient in order to maintain your strong position in Eastern Europe and keep the USSR down.\n2. The USSR will try to end the war early because they're in an inferior position to the allies, in which you can now oppose the allies with everything and maybe force negotiations.\n3. Unconditional defeat where Europe and Germany is divided in half between allies and USSR like IRL, in which case it doesn't really matter but at least you tried."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Not get into a pointless War that punishes random Jewry for the faults of a jealous king? Wilhelm II was obsessed with out-competing Britain and drove his country into the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler was somehow the retard that took control, but Germany was vehemently anti-Semitic by the 1880s and doomed by the fact that its first \"king\" was a figurehead for Bismarck.\n\nBritain had a policy of 2:1 ships, an enemy builds a warship? Britain built 2. Germany insisted on building Warships, things they could not afford, and Britain built double that, a thing they could. WW1 was always over before it started, and WW2 was always over before it started. The only thing that gave the Nazis a fighting chance was the British/French aversion to allying with the Soviets."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n\n>Let's attack where 90% of the Soviet army and defensive preparations has been concentrated\n\nCase Blue initial success was due to the fact that the soviets were so sure the next offensive would have been again on Moscow, and thus left very little to defend the south, and initially refused to believe the Germans were even going south.\n\nAlso, capturing Moscow is pointless at this stage since you need oil, and guess where the oil is? Not in Moscow.\n>Center of communication and railway\nWhat use is it to knock these out when afterwards you've now spent all your offensive capabilities for any future major offensive?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">if we sacrifice more people the gods will hel-ACK!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>-ACK\nWill this shit meme finally die?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>When will this meme final-ACK!*\nFTFY"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is my favorite Mexican painter. The whole piece is just so dramatic and he's so shameless about romanticism in general. One man is responsible for this culture's wewuzzery. What a chad."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nsorry forgot picrel"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>>1 (OP)\n>posting inaccurate shit\n\ngross. Even pic related uses anachronistic armor for the conquistadors\n\nEven if you wanna use that painting, there's a higher quality version here: https://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Emmanuel-Leutze-Painting-of-the-Battle-of-Tenochtitlan-MH-May-2022.jpeg"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nsacrificing jesus > sacrificing some random spics"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>antagonize and sacrifice all other city states and surrounding settlements\n>they hate you so much they join the spanish bible thumpers\n>get wrecked by conquistador disease as well"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>implying the the Indians joined against the Aztecs because they were meanings and not because they wanted power\nKek.\nDo you think Aztecs introduced human sacrifice to mesoamerica?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>those grown men wearing colorful animal pyjamas\nimagine watching your family being murdered by someone dressed like that"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nIt can be both"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>>11\nIt generally wasn't both though:\n\nMost of those states that worked with Cortes joined out of opportunistic ambition since of the ones which particpated in the Siege of Tenochtitlan, all but Tlaxcala only allied with Cortes afterTenochtitlan was struck by smallpox, Moctezuma II was dead, etc when it was already weakened anyways: The Aztec political system didn't involve much actual administration of conquered states (generally subject states kept their own rulers, laws, customs, etc, as long as taxes were paid, they provided military aid, didn't block roads, etc. Tho there were exceptions), it was precisely because of that that subject states still had their own ambitions and interests and the ability to secde, switch sides or launch coups when they thought they could get away with it or benefit from it.\n\nIt was particular common for states to pledge themselves to one another to take out their rivals or capitals, since in a system where subjects were effectively indepedent anyways, becoming a subject or an ally wasn't much of a commitment anyways but you'd still be in a position of higher standing in the new hegemony you'd prop up by helping them. That's how the Aztec Empire itself was founded in the 1420s and it's why Cortes got allies, and it's why other Conquistadors also got allies in the decades after even with non-Aztec states.\n\nSee: https://pastebin.com/VqW97h93 tho at this point I really need to revise, I could do a much more in depth job that also has more nuance (EX: How Texcoco and Huextozinco in particular did also have specific greviences against Tenochtitlan even if their participation was also mostly opportunistic)\n\nThe Aztec were military expansionists and did throw their political weight around through indirect imperalism, but they weren't oppressive or onerous to the places they conquered directly (the opposite, with very little hands on adminstration) and weren't resented more then most large militaristic empires generally are"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">tfw a bunch of pale, hairy, smelly midgets so submerged in personal debts that they traveled to the other side of the planet just to escape their creditors suddenly show up in your territory\n>tfw you can’t quite figure out why these divine beings keep demanding money, and why they don’t fuck off back to their alien world after you pay them"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>6\n>>1 (OP)\n>jungle niggers sacrificing a baby\n>euro masters of the world tossing the baby off the pyramid\n\ntough time to be a infantchad"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>midgets\nlol\nlmao\nHave you seen native Americans from Mexico?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nYou need to remember that the ichcahuipilli vest/tunic was worn under the tlahuiztli warsuit, so it wouldn't quite look like a uniformly loose onsie: the torso and maye the upper thighs would look padded, and the tlahuiztli itself had a thick cotton base.\n\nThere were also Ehuatl tunics, see the Ahuizotl depiction from Codex Black here for example. There's a bunch of other armor types as well, from gold/silver/copper mail jackets to wicker or wooden armor etc, though those latter two weren't used by the Aztec aside from some helmet/sshields being wooden.\n\nCodex black also just got a full color IDW release with a ton of new content, highly suggest it if people want a fantasy comic with Mesoamerican theming\n\n>>14\nThe Aztec were in temperate to semi arid hills and valleys in Central Mexico, not in the jungle. Think mountains, hills, and valleys with lakes and rivers but also that have a bunch of cacti, agave, shrubs, some forests, etc."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nmy image didn't upload for some reason\n\nalso while sacrifices of children and even toddlers happened, it wasn't particularly common. Like only 5% of sacrifices for Tenochtitlan, less if you're specifically talking about babies/toddlers."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>8\nIt was more like the spanish joined them. And they antagonized their neighbors as much as any militaristic empire in history does to their neighbors\n\nthe tlaxcalans had already fought multiple wars against the aztecs and sacrificed as well. They did not destroy tenochtitlan just because the aztecs sacrificed or because they were mean - they had been enemies for a while."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Forgive me if I'm being stupid or if I could just Google this because I'm having a hard time finding the answer. What do Arminians believe happens to someone who has died and hasn't heard the gospel? Do all people who would place their faith into Jesus hear the gospel? From the Arminian perspective, what happens to the hypothetical \"man on the island\" who never once hears the gospel?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Regarding the question of what happens to someone who has died and hasn't heard the gospel, Arminians believe that salvation is still possible for that person. They hold that God will judge people according to the light they have received. In other words, those who have never heard the gospel will be judged based on their response to the general revelation of God in creation and their conscience.\n>As for the hypothetical \"man on the island\" who never hears the gospel, Arminians hold that salvation is still possible for him. They believe that God can reveal Himself to people in various ways, including through dreams, visions, or other means. Therefore, if the man on the island responds positively to God's revelation, he can be saved. However, Arminians also recognize that the best way for people to come to faith in Christ is through the preaching of the gospel, and they believe in the importance of evangelism and missions.\nI want to be an Arminian, how can I?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would the 2003 invasion of Iraq play out if it occurred in 2023 instead?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n25 year rule, nig."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nanon, 2003 was 30 years ago..."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nguys its actual historical talk on this thread, it's infinitely better than all of the religion/atheism bait threads, haplogroup/phenotype threads, /pol/bait threads, and the other garbage flooding the board recently"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nthe 'rule' for a 'current event' is in the dropdown but '25 years' is not.\n'announcing a report' however . . ."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nBetter to talk about something different that happened 20 years ago than the same boring ass shit threads about something that happened 80 years ago."}, {"id": 8, "content": "the US is in a way weaker position than in 2023 and would probably fail to drag along other countries.\nBut so much of that is the aftermath of Iraq, both in hurting their moral standing internationally and in making them lose another war. If they stay out the first time around, who knows?\nOne big difference I see is that social media will make American atrocities get out to normies in a way they didn't in 2023, and old media's decline in readers/viewers will make manufacturing consent harder. The big companies will try to clamp down but they do that with Israeli apartheid and Ukraine being full of nazis too, people still found out."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Drones."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLazier and more fake. People accept the fake news without objection now and the people that buy most into war propaganda are now the virtue signalling \"liberals\" instead of the rednecks."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nNobody does this hall-monitor shit in obvious bait threads."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nyou don't understand, \"why atheists are seething about r1b\" is an essential discussion"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">City has massive chimpout.\n>Emperor orders mass execution of rioters.\n>30,000 killed by Roman army.\nWas there ever a more based order ever given by a Roman emperor?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey chimped out over a fag rapist. And ignored his crimes because he was a sports star. Greeks deserved it. Theodosius the Great indeed"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat time Constantius II \"could not stop\" his troops from killing almost all of his family. A shame his brothers were so far away, we could have colonies in Mars by now"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>we could have colonies in Mars by now\n\n>an unsustainably sprawled-out corrupt administrative district was a mountain peak that humanity tumbled from\n\nFuck I hate this retard meme and every lazy schoolteacher who propagates it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nplease fuck off back to Re(tard)dit"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCould OP maybe acquaint us with said historical event? Not everyone is taking the same class."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Thessalonica"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJustinian was so evil."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>4\nExplain the administrative corruption with examples and without buzzwords"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWish we could do that to BLM thugs today"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How is Eastern European mentality different from Western European mentality, historically speaking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere was a bigger difference at the end of communism but they are Westernizing themselves."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis is what it looked like more than 20 years ago btw."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nWhat do the two axes mean?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWestern - loves niggers and trannies\nEastern - loves alcohol and combat sports"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nY axis is Secular-vs-Traditionalist: Basically how religions and traditionalist the people are or aren't.\n\nX axis is Survival-vs-Self-Expression: How much the people are concerned with free speech, denouncing corruption, being rebellious/protesting/voicing their opinion, making themselves heard vs simply being concerned with survival and keeping their heads down.\n\nIt's a bit more complex than that but that's the gist of it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Greek Master Race"}, {"id": 2, "content": "still the most boring schizo"}, {"id": 3, "content": "that Robert Spencer on the right?\nhe's Pontic."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYes, Robert Spencer , most based Greek"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThis. Ban him please."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Scripture is the sole rule of faith even though we accept the first church councils and the decisions of the apostate fathers of the babylonian church on what are the books of scripture\n\n>Scripture is clear enough even though we have a billion different denominations, people disagreeing on essential things and long dead heresies returning.\n\n>The church was overtaken by satanic forces for a 1000 years and only returned to it's true form with Martin Luther or the specific reformer of the church that I follow\n\n>Anything in these 1500 years of Christianity that doesn't agree with my personal interpretation or that of the reformers is trash and heresy, that is, most of it, but we ignore that.\n\nHmm... doesn't seem very convincing"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Strawman"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Oh look it's another romanist who doesn't understand reformation theology trying to claim that luther & calvin were restorationist. is this all your rcia classes taught you pablo?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho are you quoting?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nMost you believe at least the first two points, which is enough to rule you out as a bunch of clowns"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nFalse"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nDirk, you're talking to pic related"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>Sola Scriptura is false\nWhat the fuck, Dirk?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNothing has been said about sola scriptura in this thread"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nSo Sola Scriptura isn't about Scripture being the sole rule of faith and being blear enough on essential doctrines that anyone can understand them?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nI hastily eraser tooled that image out of a meme using paint.net years ago and somehow my version with obvious cutouts in the hat survives"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nCorrect, it is not"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhat is it then? Enlighten me"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nFirst say \"I'm a disingenuous little queer who doesn't use Google before posting\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nHow about you tell me how you don't believe scripture is clear and the sole rule of faith but call yourself protestant?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nfor starters I know how to use a search engine\nI'm telling you to look it up. I didn't make you post this thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nSola scriptura isn't about muh councils or muh 6 gorillion Protestant denominations"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nSo you still refuse to answer? Cool"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nIt's about having a book as your only infallible authority and your consciense as the sole arbiter of how to interpret it, everything else is secondary and can be discarded, like councils. Which is why you have your 6 gorillion churches."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>It's about having a book as your only infallible authority\nWhy is the book infallible?\n>your consciense as the sole arbiter of how to interpret it\nIs this what I believe?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Why is the book infallible?\nBecause it was inspired and kept by the church\n>Is this what I believe?\nUnless you believe in Sacred Tradition, yes"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Because it was inspired and kept by the church\nWhy do you believe God is dependent on your pope?\n>Unless you believe in Sacred Tradition, yes\nNo, it is not what I believe. You continue to attack nothing but a strawman"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Why do you believe God is dependent on your pope?\nGod chose to use his Church to maintain unity, to teach and to guide his flock. He doesn't need anything.\n>No, it is not what I believe.\nWho has authority to interpret the bible then?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>He doesn't need anything.\nThen infallibility is not contingent on your church?\n>Who has authority to interpret the bible then?\nInterpretation is not a question of authority. Who has authority to interpret this post? It's a non-question, meaningless noise. The words of scripture are the very words of God. They bear the authority of He who speaks them. He did so with the intention of being heard, for which reason He made them perspicuous. Or do you think God is an imbecile with less capacity to speak clearly than yourself?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Then infallibility is not contingent on your church?\nThen infallibility is not contingent on your bible? I can ask you the same. God chose to use scripture and the church, but he doesn't need either.\n>They bear the authority of He who speaks them. He did so with the intention of being heard, for which reason He made them perspicuous\nSo Scripture is clear, but there are a billion different protestant denominations, some who deny even basics like the trinity. So maybe, perhaps, since God left us these scriptures and since we clearly have a problem understanding them despite their clarity, He would have also left us with someone to tell us what is to be believed, don't you think?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\n>Then infallibility is not contingent on your bible? I can ask you the same.\nYou could, but as you just demonstrated doing so renders the question incoherent. I want to know how it is possible that God's speech is infallible with or without your pope, but His words or only infallible with your pope's permission? That is a contradiction\n>there are a billion different protestant denominations, some who deny even basics like the trinity\nNo.\n>He would have also left us with someone to tell us what is to be believed\nYes, that someone's name is Spirit of Truth, and pic related is what He told us"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>but His words or only infallible with your pope's permission? That is a contradiction\nHe speaks both through the scriptures and the Church, contrary to you protestants we don't believe the two have to be separate or that God can't use one of them.\n>No\nSad cope\n>Yes, that someone's name is Spirit of Truth, and pic related is what He told us\nAnd he continues to speak just as he spoke through his apostles he speaks through their successors"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>He speaks both through the scriptures and the Church\nThis isn't what your church teaches, in fact it expressly denies being inspired. But if that self-defeating route is where you want to go, that is fine, since scripture denies continuing revelation. But I have to know, is Nostra aetate ontologically identical to Revelation? Should it be bound after it in my bible?\n>Sad cope\nYes you are\n>And he continues to speak\nHe now speaks to us through scripture alone"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nThis whole post is a cope. I guess we'll just stay in this back and forth, so let's call it a day."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nDo Jews and muslims worship the same God as Christians?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm not sure if this is the right board for this but it's related to religion so I'm gonna try (pls no ban). What does Survive the Jive believe? What's his theology? What does he believe about the nature of the gods? Does he think humans can comprehend them? When humans preform a sacrifice or ritual is it pleasing to the gods and thus they reward us for it, or are we simply partaking in their divine nature by doing these things? I wish he would just lay it out, but he always seems to dance around it."}, {"id": 2, "content": "You'll find that for many \"pagans\" the point is more about having a re-enchanted worldview and not about the actual existence and worship of the gods of their ancestors, despite the posturing\n\nThat said I don't follow this guy closely enough to know but his content is great"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nJohn Michael Greer talks a lot about re-enchantment. But he has a theological worldview. He claims (and I'm paraphrasing here) that it's impossible for humans to know what the gods are like or if they even exist (due to our major differences in levels of conciseness), but that the world seems to operate as if they do. That's not super in depth but it's good enough for me and it frustrates me when people won't lay out the basics of their beliefs. All Tom seems to have said on the nature of the gods is that he believes they exist."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust watch his videos he speak a lot about that\nhe follows a neoplatonic theology"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWhich videos? I've never seen him go into theology."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think he said once that \"all gods reflect one Divinity\" or something like that. I believe he also talked about \"the divine\" and how the gods are its manifestations. So, he's probably some kind of neoplatonist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nOr maybe Hindu."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I think these whiteboard styled videos and channels like off the kirb ministries might risk infantilizing religion and making it seem like some cutesy thing not to be taken seriously. You never see Muslims making videos in these light styles, to put it that way.\n\nCan someone from /his/ (not asking /wsr/) please recommend some Christian youtube channels that are drier and more serious?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is a symptom of protestantism, they have no sense of the sacred and the sublime"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAgree. Lutheran chads rise up"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAsk /wsr/"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Modern Christianity is essentially indistinguishable from lifestyle marketing. It appears that even God can't stand up to capitalism"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlpha and Omega Ministries"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Ryan Reeves\nTruth unites\nInspiring philosophy\nMark Ward\nReady to Harvest\nMatt Whitman\nTheopolis Institute\nDr. Jordan Cooper"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>whiteboard\nIt depends who you are watching. Generally from the internet, you can't watch anyone 100% and expect to like everything they have ever made or said. Gene Kim has made good videos but Robert Breaker is really good. They are both about dispensationalism though and they sometimes explain where that comes from biblically.\n>Impact Video Productions infantilizing religion\nAbsolutely, but it's like playing Marbles versus Jacks. Shooting Marbles for keeps is a boys game because if you shoot a crummy marble in the circle out but your shooter stays in the circle, then you lose your shooter (for keeps) to your friend or brother. Jacks is for everyone, you do one and throw a marble in the air, then twosies, then threesies, then foursies, then fivesies, throwing and catching the marble with all the jacks in your hand until you can't do any more. It's more of a game for everybody. But when you realize you are doing a game for everyone, just realize that it isn't what the game that is for the boys that they are playing.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrFx-6804Uw [Embed]\nThe thing about doing anything that is \"for everybody\" is they usually water down the message of God, that is why people do more for men because people tired of all the effeminate and watered down messages."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He’s right about everything"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nExcept Eastern Orthodoxy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/thread"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was his problem?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDisdain for Plebs"}, {"id": 3, "content": "honestly his inability to get along with his brother"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nor anyone else, apparently. and if he found two brothers fighting, like those parthians, he tried to egg them on to murder each other. what the fuck did his brother do to him, rape him in the ass?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Imagine the collective brick-shitting that must have happened whenever a region's populace heard that this guy was going to be passing by."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Quotes?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"I like to eat shit\" - Martin Luther probably"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was talking about religious Jews not ethnic Jews."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n\"Christian Jews\" are a demographic in the single digits in any country at any point in time. \"Atheist Jews\" are not going to receive any more favourable treatment by Luther. Attempts to make this distinction somehow matter are laughably pathetic."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI like how I see this book gets posted by so many 'based and redpilled' men but they never quote it or ever talk about it instead just post a picture of the cover or the book in their bookshelf."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nAn atheist is far worse than a Jew"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe only good quote of the entire book is the title."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is he so embarrassing? He's like the religious equivalent of a fedora tipper"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ncomplete focus on the world, they call it \"aesthetics\"\n>more gold = more holy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBarn church goer cope. The more beautiful a religion is the more it's true, what is outside reflects what's inside."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHow true is this religion"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm a massive faggot so I get my life philosophy from song lyrics but my take on the trad-cath thing is that it's like California Dreamin' in which a man goes into a church and pretends to pray to escape the cold winter weather outside. People feel that our society today is cold and inhospitable and that adopting religion as a means to escape the cold is worth it even if they don't really believe in it."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\npaganism also looks good and lucifer walks around looking like a beautiful angel\nI am a Catholic too but brother, beauty of this world is nothing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nMore true and more spiritually fulfilling than any american evangelical church, certainly"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>More true and more spiritually fulfilling than any-\nyou are basically a pagan, sorry to reveal it to you."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI'm a perennialist, I don't care about your plebean exoteric labels"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nQUESTION.\nWhy does Pope Francis want to ban the Latin Mass?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nGenuinely an excellent insight if a little long-winded. Never preemptively apologise in a post again"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nwhat the fuck"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>I'm a perennialist\na pagan who will die forever and suffer in dark pit, unless you repent."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nThanks anon."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\n>It's real\nFurther proof that the Soviet efforts to infiltrate the Church have succeeded, just like they did in the US. How did the advent of Communism coincide so perfectly with the decay of our traditional institutions?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nBecause of people like in the OP pic"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Soviet Union still exists\nwoah"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\n>>15\nSauce on this allegation please."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nThe lasting damage of they psychological warfare is very much present today. Just as Nazis shaped our very society with their total war, so the Soviet shape it still with their covert ops"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nJust search \"Catholic church and the cold war\", any search will tell you that the Soviets were keen to infiltrate the church since most Eastern Europeans were devout Catholics and the Church was the only true social opposition to communism until the USA started to throw McDonald's at everyone"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nI'm talking about Pope Liberal Faggot wanting to ban the Catholic Mass. I find it believable, just barely. But I want sauce. Stop waving your fucking hands and trying to misdirect me."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nHe released a document called Traditiones Custodes which restricted the TLM a bit because of retarded zoomer tradcaths"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nOh right. No he hasn't explicitly said he wants to ban it but he's reiterated that any priests or bishops wanting to perform the Latin Mass must asked the British Cardinal for express permission, which is quite obviously a maneuver to make it more difficult for the Latin Mass to gain exposure."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThere is a sizeable chunk of the Church that are traditionalists, which is something the Church has always been aligned with. The pushback against tradition only confirms the theory of Marxist infiltration"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nDon't be disingenuous. There actual traditionalists and then there are \"tradcaths\" and schismatics, not the same at all."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nI see. Hm. If I were a Catholic official of *any* standing I would be pushing for Latin Masses left and right. The Anglican church has completely fucking collapsed in a puddle of postmodern goo, so there has to be a lot of spiritual hunger there."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nTradcath e-coverts aren't the ones giving Mass, there is a HUGE portion of the clergy that doesn't agree with the every aspect of Vatican II\n>>26\nYeah and many of them are, many have the sentiment that you should advertise the Church, either you want to be saved or you don't."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\nShouldn't advertise*"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>5\nGood observation. I'm not a tradcath but I reckoned the appeal was people going on a journey of spiritual development and wanting to be a part of a like minded group. Like Gymbros: the moral development edition"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>10\nExplain to me, an non-catholic, what he controversy over the latin mass is about."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nI would join the Anglican church if it became an institution for the development and continuance on Englishness. Like high-Victorian Englishness. Like niggas be talking like they are Wodehouse characters and praising the duke of wellington."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nIt's the mass before the 1960s changes, it's in latin and overrall much more intricate and frankly, beautiful. The problem is that the Novus Ordo, which is mass after Vatican II was very poorly implemented and gave too much freedom for people to experiment with it. The new mass can be very beautiful if done properly, usually you can see them in Rome, but in most places, specially in America, it's terribly bad, sometimes with outright abuses going on. So people who are more traditionally minded started hating on the new mass thinking it was inherently bad and started going to the old mass, and now we have basically a liturgical war going on. Imo the Novus Ordo needs to be revised asap and it's rubrics followed strictly, it's the only way to balance things out."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nFair enough. Would maintaining the mass in latin be better at preserving the meaning? instead of say, in english, where the meaning of words seem to slowly change over time."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIt's not just the language Mass is given in, but the manner. The priest faces the congregation instead of the altar, there are various prayers and hymns omitted and the very structure of Mass is nearly unrecognisable, and shorter"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nNot all of the mass needs to be in either exclusively. For example, in eastern cath churches some of the readings, songs and prayers are in vernacular, others are in the traditional language of the particular rite (greek for example). We are supposed to have this in the NO, with latin and vernacular, but like I said, most bishops and priests took the liberty to ignore this and only use vernacular. Anothe reason to revise the new mass."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nAd Orientem is also recommended in the NO rubrics, it's very unfortunate that it's ignored. I don't see a problem with the less prayers and different structure thing though, they were just trying to simplify things, not make it less holy."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>3\nIsn't beauty subjective."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhether they're tradcath larpers or fedora tippers, the ignorant and militant fanatics of both sides just end up making the actual opinions of their \"team\" look worse by proxy. They're only interested in the most surface-level takes of their beliefs and of the enemy's, so you get shit like \"if sky daddy why bad?\" or \"fish start walking and become man\" as actual arguments from them. They're also the sorts that deliberately avoid professing any of their own beliefs beyond the most surface-level observations because they themselves don't believe in anything.\nThey're not interested in discussion or learning because they just want to be right."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust be Catholic. The whole “trad” moniker is just completely silly to me."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>5\nMaybe true but what about those who actually do believe in it, or end up believing seriously later on?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nI'm no longer Roman Catholic, but Taylor Marshall types are alien.\n\nIn my 20 some years as a Roman Catholic, I don't recall encountering his kind."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n> I'm no longer Roman Catholic\nWhat changed?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nhe wanted to take up sin, presumably"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nLack of care by church leadership.\nThey took the parishioners for granted."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nNo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why did bathsheba bathe in the top floor?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause she was a slut."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo you idiot, david raped her. We know this because she was later honored as queen mother."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Why wasnt david out on campaign with the army like the other kings?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When did mainline Protestant churches become so liberal? I find it very confusing."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Supernatural proof from God that they are not the true Church."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis was a serious question regarding history. Fuck off with your triumphalist navelgazing."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUnironically the Jesuits. They're affecting the Vatican also."}, {"id": 5, "content": "January 1st 2000.\nIn my country we had blasphemy laws before that. I'm not sure I want those but it reflects how fast my national church and the people turned \"liberal\", it's not actually about a political position, it's just people being brainwashed by US media."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I am Oriental Orthodox. It makes me very sad hat absolutely no one wants to convert into our Church."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTell me about it. What do you believe?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThe unique and united nature of Christ."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyour church is full of niggers m8"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou have the \"ethnic social club that converts aren't welcome in\" perception even worse than the eastern Orthos, that's why."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBe glad, you're avoiding schizos and bad people who want to ruin you. You know that anyone who converts is genuine about it."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShouldn't the Church be universal?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNo the church should be about a white ethnostate."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nstop worshipping jews chink"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm sure it's because your religion has like 10 churches in the entire western world and western hemisphere"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nThis, absolutely no one will bat an eye if you show up to a Catholic church during mass and just pray and follow along with everyone else. But show up to OP's church and you'd be given the side eye for the duration"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere's none in my area that I know of.\nThere's plenty of Greek and Russian Orthodox.\n\nWhile I have respect for them, I'm happy being an ACNA Anglican."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Are cats the real protagonists of history?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "No - I am."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Naturalism is just as much a worldview as Theism or Supernaturalism. It begins with the unprovable assertion that physical matter is all that exists. The irony is that Naturalism cannot prove Naturalism is true, because it cannot disprove the existence of the Supernatural. You cannot disprove the Supernatural by a lack of Natural evidence any more than you could prove the existence of the Supernatural with examples of Natural evidence. So why do Naturalists pretend that the default worldview is Naturalism, when the default worldview for thousands of years was Christianity and other religions? Take the Supernaturalism pill. It is the only worldview which is based on absolute truth, and the only true ground for logical reasoning. If absolute truth does not exist, then neither can logic, for logic is grounded on the existence of absolute truth."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>when the default worldview for thousands of years was Christianity and other religions?\nNone of these religions agree though on anything. Not even Christians agree with each other. - Still never heard the case for any religion being true, and why all the others are wrong.\nNo evidence for the supernatural, therefore it can be dismissed. And even if you believe a God created the universe. How do you logically get from a designer to a designer who answers prayers?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Not even Christians agree with each other\nThis is mostly false, I'm not sure where this idea comes from. Most Christians agree on the vast majority of essentials to the faith. Virtually every society in history has believed in a God or gods. When you say \"no evidence\" you are really saying \"no natural evidence\", which evidence would be inadmissible anyway since no amount of natural evidence could \"prove\" that which exists beyond nature. If you begin with the assumption that only nature exists, of course you are not going to see nature as evidence of God, but you stand against the majority of those who have lived in history who inferred the existence of the supernatural from the natural. Examples include a sense of morality and justice, the existence of a rational soul, the beauty and order of the natural world, the sense of religion, etc."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>methodological naturalism on the right\nNo\n>>2\n>No evidence for the supernatural, therefore it can be dismissed.\nWhat evidence is there for naturalism?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>Most Christians agree on the vast majority of essentials to the faith.\nnot really\n\n> Virtually every society in history has believed in a God or gods.\nthey don't, plenty of tribal societies haved animistic believes and ancestor worship and lack the concept of gods\nalso different societies that had gods never really agree on what a god even is or what is their properties\n\n> \"prove\" that which exists beyond nature. I\nyou need to show that something beyond nature exist in the first place\n\n>majority of those who have lived in history\nand ?\n\n>inferred the existence of the supernatural from the natural\nfailed explanation for how the world works\n\n> a sense of morality and justice\nderived from social instincts\n\n> the existence of a rational soul\nyou need to prove that souls exist in the first place\n\n> the beauty and order of the natural world,\nsubjective BS\n\n> the sense of religion\nderive from the human brain tendency to seek patterns everywhere and it's tendency to project human qualities such as intention to inanimate things\n\n>>4\n>What evidence is there for naturalism?\nthe fact that the natural world exist while anything supernatural has never been demonstrated to exist, that it has yield accurate and verifiable prediction about reality"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>the fact that the natural world exist while anything supernatural has never been demonstrated to exist\nI didn't ask you about evidence of supernaturalism, I asked you for evidence of naturalism. What evidence is there for naturalism?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>the fact that the natural world exist\nHow do you prove that, exactly? And is that objectively true? How do you know it's objectively true and not subjective like everything else according to you? How do you know \"truth\" is not merely a subjective human interpretation?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "Naturalism is the only real metaphysics.\n\nOf course not to say I don't appreciate people coming up with fun big ideas, since they all allow you to analyse the world in a whole new way."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nHow do you determine whether naturalism is real?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBecause as of until now every teleology outside of it has turned out to be ideological projection or have some other dumb issue.\nAnd realiy actually acting according to natural laws has turned out to make the most sense, as of now."}, {"id": 11, "content": "I believe in the natural world because it exists and I can perceive it, as far as my subjective perception has told me. I have no reason to believe otherwise until proven otherwise.\nI do not believe in the supernatural world because I cannot perceive it in any form and am utterly unsure as to its existence. Thus far, I - nor anybody else - could perceive its effects on life, if any. I have no reason to believe it until proven otherwise."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nOccam's razor. It's the simplest explanation for what we can observe.\n\nWe can experience the natural world, but experiencing the spiritual world is incredibly subjective and inconsistent, especially between cultures.\nWe don't need the supernatural to explain the natural world, it has zero explanatory value. We cannot study or know any more about the soul and how it might interact with the body, but we can directly observe that different actions activate different neural pathways in the brain."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>The things I experience are real because I experience them.\nOk, then God is also real because I experience God."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nAlright. I have nothing against you believing that. I just have no reason to believe that myself."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhat is experiencing God like? How do you know you're experiencing God?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYou're doing it right now."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWhat would you describe the experience as? How do you know it's God? What qualifies it as being God, and not something else?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nWhat is experiencing nature like? How do you know you're experiencing nature?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nI didn't ask about evidence for naturalism, I asked for evidence of supernaturalism. What evidence is there for supernaturalism?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhy do you keep avoiding the question? How do you know that nature is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain? Again, if you are asking for \"sense evidence\" for something beyond the senses then you are asking a nonsense question. Rational thought leads to the knowledge of the supernatural. Everything in the universe must have a beginning, and the only thing that could begin the universe is an uncreated Creator which exists outside of nature, thus supernaturalism. The same is true of universal truth. If God does not exist, then neither is anything universally true, and thus logic ceases to be grounded upon any truth. Your whole argument seems to be \"nature proves the nonexistence of the supernatural\", which it does not."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>How do you know that nature is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain?\nHow do you know that God is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain?\n>Rational thought leads to the knowledge of the supernatural.\nHow do you know?\n>Everything in the universe must have a beginning, and the only thing that could begin the universe is an uncreated Creator which exists outside of nature\nCan you prove that? How are you so sure?\n>If God does not exist, then neither is anything universally true\nHow can you be so sure? What qualifies what you believe in as God? How can you be so sure?\n>Your whole argument seems to be \"nature proves the nonexistence of the supernatural\", which it does not.\nMy whole argument, actually, is that repeatedly asking \"why\" doesn't bring anybody anywhere. All you're doing is trying to disprove an opposing stance while not doing much of anything to support your own."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>Can you prove that? How are you so sure?\nIt's scientifically proven. Even you should agree with that one.\n\n>>21\n>How do you know that God is in fact real and not just a subjective reality created by your brain?\nBecause it's not only a logical necessity, but the basis of any logic itself. Either truth exists objectively, or it does not exist objectively. If truth exists objectively, then we have reason to believe in God. If God does not exist, then everything is merely subjectively true, as no objective truth can exist. God is the transcendent essence upon which truth is based. We can be sure or obtain certainty through divine revelation, which does not depend upon human reason alone to attain such knowledge. If God does not exist, what is your basis for believing in things like objective truth, objective morals, or science itself?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n>Because it's not only a logical necessity, but the basis of any logic itself.\nWhy?\n>If truth exists objectively, then we have reason to believe in God.\nHow do you know? We only barely know when the universe might have started to exist, and that's only as we know it.\n>If God does not exist, then everything is merely subjectively true, as no objective truth can exist.\n>God is the transcendent essence upon which truth is based.\nWhy God in particular? Is truth based on its proximity to God, or is it based on things that have been stated by men to be related to God?\n>We can be sure or obtain certainty through divine revelation\nHow do you know that it was divine revelation? How do you know that it wasn't a subjective reality created by your brain?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>How do you know?\nI know by way of faith and reason.\n\n>>23\n>Is truth based on its proximity to God, or is it based on things that have been stated by men to be related to God?\nI don't understand what you are trying to ask. God is truth.\n\n>>23\n>How do you know that it was divine revelation? How do you know that it wasn't a subjective reality created by your brain?\nI know by way of faith and reason. How you claim to know anything is still a mystery to me."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>I know by way of faith and reason.\nYou believe, in other words. That is fine. It is not objective, though.\n>God is truth.\nDoes truth act in the Bible, or if I've incorrectly assumed you as Christian, act in the material world? Did truth create humans, or did they arise on their own?\n>I know by way of faith and reason.\nYou believe, in other words. That is fine. It is not objective, though.\n>How you claim to know anything is still a mystery to me.\nWhat have I claimed?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nI said that God is truth, not that truth is God. God created humans. If humans \"arise on their own\" by purely natural means, then truth is merely a human construct which is a result of random neurons firing in their brains.\n\n>>25\n>It is not objective, though.\nAre you claiming objective knowledge?\n\n>>25\n>What have I claimed?\nYou seem to be claiming knowledge of objective truth, but you refuse to answer my questions."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>I said that God is truth, not that truth is God.\nWhat do you define truth as? What do you define God as?\n>God created humans.\nWhen? How do you know that it was God that created humans, and not something else?\n>If humans \"arise on their own\" by purely natural means, then truth is merely a human construct which is a result of random neurons firing in their brains.\nHow do you differentiate randomness and reaction? What differentiates neurons randomly firing from God randomly creating humans?\n>Are you claiming objective knowledge?\nDo you understand yet?\n>You seem to be claiming knowledge of objective truth\nWhy are you so sure of your subjective claim here? What made you believe this?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n>Do you understand yet?\nNo, I don't understand. Please explain."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nWhy do you avoid my questions?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nYou haven't answered my question. I'm not going to answer 1000 of your questions if you won't answer mine. Are you claiming that you have certain objective knowledge, or not?"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWhy do I need to answer your questions? You made claims and now I have questions about them."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nIf you want me to answer your questions, you have to also answer mine."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIs it objectively true that you will answer my questions if I answer yours? How can I be objectively sure of this?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nSince you refuse to answer, I'll just assume that you are not claiming to certain objective knowledge. Since you do not claim to know anything objectively or with certainty, you in fact know nothing."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\n>I'll just assume that you are not claiming to certain objective knowledge.\nAre you forcing yourself to rely on a subjective claim as an axiom here?\n>Since you do not claim to know anything objectively or with certainty, you in fact know nothing.\nI am asking questions on what you claim, so of course I know nothing about what you claim. You refuse to answer them for some reason."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\n>of course I know nothing\nI know.\n\n>>35\n>Are you forcing yourself to rely on a subjective claim as an axiom here?\nWhat do you mean?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do we have any on video?\nSpecifically, from a first-person perspective like a home video, they're extremely hard to find.\nThe best I could find is this and it doesn't fit the bill at all - it's 'reporting' and 'commentating', not documenting - although it does mention that the reunion was put on tape.\nPerhaps there are dozens of tapes that just haven't been digitalised and uploaded online?\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeT_hHSpNXw [Embed]"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "WOLT IHR DEN TOTALEN KRIEG?!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>HEY WAIT A SECOND YOU GUYS NOT LIKE THIS THIS IS A WARCRIME YOU GUYS ARE CRIMINALS WTF"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Shouldn't religion belong on /x/?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I see more coherent discussions on /x/ sometimes desu"}, {"id": 3, "content": "No."}, {"id": 4, "content": "No, because regardless if you believe in it, people throughout history did and insight into their faith and beliefs give greater understanding of their thought processes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe need a religion board.\nThere are so many dead boards, but this would probably outrank /his/ in users."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that board even worth anyone's time? I went there hoping for threads on unsolved crime or spooky anecdotes but it's just coomers posting loli."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/x/ is for aliens and ghost stories. Not systems that shaped history and humanities more than anything else. That belongs here."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nBe the change you want to see."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, because it concerns both history and humanities."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, religion need its own board, and there are already religious discussions\non /x/ anyway, 9 threads are about Christ or Christianity right now."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>on /x/ anyway, 9 threads are about Christ or Christianity right now\nSo why can't Christcucks just move there?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n/X/ is an extension of /tg/. People go there to larp."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nBecause some Christians enjoy talking spirituality and esoterism while other prefer talking theology and history.\nReligions is a subject vast enough to talk about it in many ways, which is why it needs its own place where religious and fedoras could argue the same points for eternity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">black \"men\""}, {"id": 2, "content": "Lovecraftian horror"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>muh di-ACK!"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKeep coping. There are more white trannies than any other race!\nYou will die out\nYou will be happy"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbuilt for BBC (Buck Breaker Cock)"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Buck breaking caused it?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>There are more white trannies than any other race\nIt's just not true. Whites have the lowest rate."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "All Abrahamic beliefs already were proved to have its source in old Semitic pagan religions with heavy Sumerian influence. How is it possible if they were given to Iron Age kikes by Yahweh himself and must be unique and divine?\n>Inb4: muh yahweh in bible whines kikes mix him with their old gods so muh\nThen Bible itself has nothing to do with Yahweh."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInb4: yes, it's a dick, no, it's not Bes."}, {"id": 3, "content": "You can't tell the difference between a man and a woman"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAh? Is Yahweh a tranny?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYahweh is not the name of a God, YHWH is an acronym representing the phrase \"I am that I am.\""}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThen let's call him, say, El or Elohim. Don't you both mind?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nEl was originally the highest God of the Canaanite pantheon, from which YHVH emerged. YHVH later became conflated with El, as evidenced by the term \"Elohim\" used in Genesis - which originally meant \"Children of El\" ( which is where YHVH originated, mythologically speaking).\n\nYHVH also had a Goddess consort, Asherah, whose worship was later outlawed.\n\nDeuteronomy 16:21\n>\"Do not set up any [wooden] Asherah [pole] beside the altar you build to the LORD your God\"\nThere's a reason these altars were initially made BESIDE the altar of YHVH.\n\nWhat's more, there's a reason many descriptions of YHVH from the O.T. are more or less directly lifted from the Ugaritic Ba'al Cycle.\n\nThe Old Testament is derived from Canaanite polytheistic mythology. They even teach that in Seminary school. It's not a mystery to anyone who studies Judeo-Christianity, but somehow 99% of Jews/Christians have no idea where their religion came from."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nHere's a good video on the subject.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZECezMYug8c [Embed]\n\nHere's also a good read on the subject (written by a Jewish institution itself, ironically):\nhttps://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-birth-and-evolution-of-judaism"}, {"id": 9, "content": "So do Abrahamists have anything to cope with this excluding the inb4?\n>>7\n>>8\nThanks for the links and elaboration, anon."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nElohim doesn't mean children of El."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nSo?..."}, {"id": 12, "content": "."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nI'll save you the hassle anon\n>CHRIST IS KANG\n>I PRAY 4 U\n>REPENT\n>BUT BIBLE SAYS\n>WE WUZ DA REAL JEWS"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>\"It's all just a metaphor/allegory bro\"\n>\"Satan-worshipping \"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"archaeologists\"\"\"\" are lying to you\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nDamn... It really seems miserable."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nYou also forgot\n>muh fedora"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>4\nYahweh (Yaltabaoth) is not male, it's a non binary demon."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nHe has a huge dick though."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\nOP said it did"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nIt no longer has a physical body."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nOkay, earlier he had a huge dick.\n>>19\nAnd?..."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>10\nIt originally did. The use of the word as a \"majestic plural\" came about much later"}, {"id": 23, "content": "What I find intriguing is how on earth did the tribal myths of one obscure hill people assume such outrageous proportions in history, and how much absolute madness they have went on to inspire."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>7\n>evidenced by the term \"Elohim\" used in Genesis - which originally meant \"Children of El\"\nNo it didn't. Elohim is just a plural of el, gods.\n\nchildren/sons of El is בני אלוהים, bene elohim."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nIt wasn't as influential as you think. OT was there just as a non-applying tribute to tradition while NT was fabricated by Romans based on Greek philosophy."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>unknown\nah, someone is using a bot."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>hurr durr what bump\nIt's just magic, dude. I'm a wizard."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>23\nPaul and Peter.\nThey infiltrated Rome and it snowballed from there."}, {"id": 29, "content": "Bump."}, {"id": 30, "content": "0. Abrahamism originally is just an extension of Canaanite pagan religion. El is just a favored spirit of mud, the whole Genesis myth is Akkadian, most descriptions of El are directly lifted from the Ugaritic Baal Cycle.\n1. It proves there just was no any testament and El had existed thousands years before supposed revelation in Iron Age.\n2. It proves the \"revelation\" itself is non-divine as supposedly divine Genesis myth was taken straight from another culture.\n3. If it implies kikes mixed El with their own idols against his will, it also implies OT is not his revelation."}, {"id": 31, "content": "."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Reddit O'Nella"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n*reads wikipedia to you*"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGuy got burned out by gen ed uni courses, instead of getting rich off his wildly successful Youtube channel that was at its peak when he stopped. I hope he makes good money from whatever he manages to get into because he threw away a channel that would get around $400k a year now from sponsors and ad revenue now a days instead"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAnd that was the beauty of it, dude had life set out on easy mode for him, and instead of using what he's learning from uni to make content like other young creators do, he just gave up such a easy gig"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>>3\n>>4\nhe could easily revive his channel if he wanted to. theres still a lot of people who like him which is why the most recent video he released got a million views in only a couple of hours. but i guess he doesnt want the pressure of internet fame and drama and that is a good thing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe's been doxxed since day one anon, I remember people stalking his personal facebook account to see if he was alive. He isnt some Idubbz or commentary youtuber that naturally brings drama in everything they do, he was a wikipedia summarizer. He was doxxed and absolutely no one ever wanted to bother him even with all his fame, wiki regurgitaters and green text reposter channels are the lowest pressure gig of all of youtube"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Imagine yourself as a living house. God comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps, you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on; you knew that those jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make any sense. What on earth is He up to?\n>The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of - throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were being made into a decent little cottage: but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself."}, {"id": 2, "content": "the chud backfiring on libshits and being embraced is so funny, they can't meme at all"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do so many dying atheists see the Kingdom of Heaven or the fires of hell when they are about to die? Are they just joking? No, I think not. It’s very clear to me that an atheist on his deathbed repents for his sins and finds salvation or succumbs to his own inner demons and falls into the lake of fire. There are far too many near death experiences that are very consistent for it to be coincidence. The evidence for the Kingdom is all around us. You need only open your heart to Him."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHas there ever been a case where someone who was religious their entire life suddenly converted to atheism on their deathbed? I seriously want to know."}, {"id": 3, "content": "All those people that talk about their NDE are attentionwhores desperate for their 15 minutes of fame."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>converted to atheism\nHow is this supposed to work?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nBy renouncing their religious beliefs. How else? Are you trying to deny the existence of atheism?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod intends to continue reincarnating me and forcing me to act as the frame of reference and only persistently real person in his retarded fake world so that so that he can self-identify as \"a king\" by self identifying with the temporarily manifested people he animates to abuse me through while forcing me to live and self-identify as \"a peasant\". He intends to continue forcing me to exist as the sole-sufferer of reality so that he can continue being the sole-enjoyer of reality and \"believing in him\" won't make him stop it just causes him to accuse me of being an atheist because I understand his true nature and the truth of the world"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\n>anything that hurts my agenda is fake\nAtheists are like broken records."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">muh bibble\nYou don't understand it."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Why does OP keep making these threads? Doesn't he know that we know that the Ricky Gervais pics give away the fact that it's the same schizo every time?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIve seen you multiple times accuse news outlets of anti christian agenda. Remember the \"atheists are obese\" thread you made? A based atheist showed you a study where christcucks are the obese ones and you cried agenda."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nWe should dub this man 'Ricky Gervais' agenda'"}, {"id": 12, "content": "you mean the same ones who later on admitted they didn't actually see anything and just made it up for a publicity stunt"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Youre not going to believe me, but I actually had a dream where I met Jesus. I went up to asked him\n>why are you a virgin?\nhe replied\n>i used to be, but then I settled down and raise a family\n\nIm still an atheist btw"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\n>Why does OP keep making these threads?\nBecause I care about people.\n>>10\nAtheists are decadent and obsess over material goods.\n>>12\nCherry picking"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>7\n>stops replying when anons point out that 99% christian African countries have the highest suicide rate in the world\n>dismisses studies that show American christians are fatter than American atheists on average as \"jewish propaganda\"\n>still can't come up with a coherent excuse for why 65% christian America had gay marriage before the 80% irreligious Czech Republic did\ncope"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>he doesn't believe jewish propaganda exists"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nDon't think a thread about christianity is the place to be whining about \"jewish propaganda\" m8"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>14\n>cherry picking\noh you mean like how you cherry picked some stories even if most don't have a similiar experience, especially since you always refuse to post anything to actually back up your claims"}, {"id": 19, "content": "trying to praise god by using this unholy ai generated slop of an image is not the best look"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>14\n>I care about people\nhttps://youtu.be/a40XLhSUREo [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">Why do so many dying atheists see the Kingdom of Heaven or the fires of hell when they are about to die?\nlike who?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\n>gervais suffers.jpg\n\nWhy are christtards always such petty, resentful dwarves? They're so small and childish, I bet Ricky Gervais fag is a manlet as well"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nChristianity is just one big cope.\n\n>Youre a rich roman landlord that owns me?\n>WELL I DONT EVEN LIKE HAVING MONEY AND I LOVE BEING A SLAVE ANYWAY"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">gobbledegook wall of text\n>OP's scat fetish"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLmao"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Brain gets cut off from Oxygen and vitals\n>Oh my god! we all see the same light\nIts called dying, retard. The same experience just means that dying often has the same symptoms. Why would God only reveal himself at Death? Oh because that's when it's most convenient, when you survive an event that kills others."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\n>Why would God only reveal himself at Death?\nGod has revealed Himself to every point in history. What do you mean?"}, {"id": 28, "content": "OP is a faggot whose only friend in life is Holy Lord Jeebus. Imagine obsessively posting on 4chan about Him and how He will save you with His hairy cock"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrain hallucinates when it's oxygen-deprived."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n>everything religious is just one giant hallucination, but I have an objective grasp of reality with my superhuman intellect"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>2\n>>5\nNot really what you asked for but one of the founding fathers of atheism as an intellectual movement who had been a Catholic priest his whole life while secretly being a non-believer admitted to authorship of a very popular anti-theist treaty on his deathbed thus confirming he had been an atheist this whole time\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Meslier"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nA guy who was an atheist but LARPing as a priest is not really the same thing as someone who believed in God, then decided to stop on their deathbed."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is this the biggest cope in history? The working class was supposed to be the main agent of the revolution and to be in charge of it. Only for the Party to deem them class enemies for resisting the seizure of their every belonging and virtual enslavement."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was a means to trick the revolutionaries to give the elites more power."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Wouldn't that be labor aristocracy rather than petite bourgeoisie?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "petit bourgeoisie isn't working class at all, it's small business owners"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">John is traditionally depicted in one of two distinct ways: either as an aged man with a white or gray beard, or alternatively as a beardless youth.[26][27] The first way of depicting him was more common in Byzantine art, where it was possibly influenced by antique depictions of Socrates;[28] the second was more common in the art of Medieval Western Europe and can be dated back as far as 4th century Rome.[27]\n>In medieval works of painting, sculpture and literature, Saint John is often presented in an androgynous or feminized manner.[29] Historians have related such portrayals to the circumstances of the believers for whom they were intended.[30] For instance, John's feminine features are argued to have helped to make him more relatable to women.[31] Likewise, Sarah McNamer argues that because of John's androgynous status, he could function as an 'image of a third or mixed gender'[32] and 'a crucial figure with whom to identify'[33] for male believers who sought to cultivate an attitude of affective piety, a highly emotional style of devotion that, in late-medieval culture, was thought to be poorly compatible with masculinity.[34]\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Evangelist#In_art"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "ACKtheist sisters?? our response???"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Basedsame, we're leaving"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">some black guy\n>history\nlol what?\nDoes he give you free whotes and lamborghattis?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased if real"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nAndrew Taint is a Mudslim tho"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nRather have a Muslim fren than an atheist fren."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>>6\nHe's not a theologian, he converted not because of which deity he believes in, rather that he thinks islam has teachings and culture that aligned with his world view and masculinity. There could also be potential to get some aid from his new muslim audience because there's been new rise of islam trend nowadays. Also he has said how christianity is very mocked and all that, speaks volumes how it can be used to demonize him in the west"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would it take to mend the Great Schism?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "the great schism was mended at the council of florence it's just that the modern“orthodox” church split from the uniate eastern church afterwards"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSomebody has to admot they're wrong. And that's never going to happen."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nSadly no current Eastern Catholic churches trace their origin the Council of Florence, most in Eastern Europe date back to the Union of Brest, brought on largely by politics of the PLC rather than an actual desire for union. Others trace theirs back to the Union of Uzhhorod for largely the same reasons but within the Habsburg Monarchy. And a great deal flipped back over when they came under Russian or Romanian control.\n>>1 (OP)\nAt this point it's difficult, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are far closer to mending ties with some churches on either side having already endorsed a Joint Statement saying so, but for Catholicism, Orthodoxy will not tolerate papal supremacy, papal infallibility, immaculate conception, the filioque, and a number of other theological issues. For the Catholics, they're content with letting the Orthodox retain their beliefs in virtually all fields bar papal supremacy, as seen in relation to the Eastern Catholics."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Protestants hate everything to do with actual Churches?\n>The Pope? Who needs him!\n>Priests? Nah, don't need those.\n>Sacraments? Only need baptism (and marriage).\n>Icons, architecture, and religious art? Rather have bare walls and a bare cross.\n>Doctrines? Nah, I'll just interpret the entire Bible myself.\n>Traditions? I'll just make my own church.\n>Communion? I'd rather pray at home by myself."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>The Pope?\nLate invention. Plus it started in Alexandria\n>Priests? Nah, don't need those\nProtestants have those just by different names.\n>Sacraments? Only need baptism (and marriage).\nProtestants celebrate the Eucharist.\n>Icons, architecture, and religious art? Rather have bare walls and a bare cross.\nJust like early Christians did and those who accepted the first version (legitimate version) and the council of Frankfurt-Yes please!\n>Doctrines? Nah, I'll just interpret the entire Bible myself.\nChristians interpret the scriptures according to the historical-contextual method. Aka how the authors would have been understood."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do you make straw man arguments?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nPost proof for anything you said here. Most Prots deny the Real Presence, no priests only \"elders\", Rome has always had a bishop, Christians have always had art, and Christians have always understood the Scripture through the teaching of the Church."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Who are you quoting?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>no priests\nPresbyter is another name for a priest and Presbyterians are famous for it.\n\nAnglicans and most Methodists have bishops."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nGod himself"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nNobody, are you having a stroke?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhen you >greentext like that it implies quotation"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIt's an imaginary quotation for purposes of illustration."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Christianity is the most inconsistent religion on earth\n\nYou kuffar can’t even agree on what your religion IS"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nSo which kind of Muslim are you?\nWhirly Dervish or ISIL?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>Another papist retrojecting their current view of the church into the past without knowing or studying what the first pre-Nicaean Christians actually believed\nSo many cases. Sad!"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nI would love to see your historical examples of \"what the first pre-Nicaean Christians actually believed\"."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIt's not Mary worshippers speaking Latin."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nCatholics don't worship Mary, no matter how many times you say they do."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>10\nSo a strawman"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNo, it's a literary device for illustration. If you disagree, post something to the contrary so that you may correct me."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>14\nChapter 2 from the Didache\n>you shall not commit pederasty"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nWhat point are you trying to make?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nNo, they just super-venerate Mary and say she sits at the foot of God's throne and is elevated above all the angels and archangels and is the Mother of God and never sinned and can save sinners from God's wrath."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>can save sinners from God's wrath.\nShe can only do this through Jesus Christ."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\n> Protestants have those just by different names.\nNo. Protestant clergy and the Priesthood have nothing in common. The clergy of Catholicism and Orthodoxy have years of mandatory study and even if they pass they can be denied Holy Orders if they are deemed spiritually or mentally unfit. I could become a Baptist preacher tonight. There’s no bar to entry whatsoever, and that’s why Protestants have such lovely figureheads as Joel Osteen and Julie Green.\n> Protestants celebrate the Eucharist.\nIf you called it the Eucharist in front of the majority of Protestants they would lose their mind. It’s not a sacrament to them, it has no intrinsic value to them. At best for Protestanrs it’s a moment to think about Christ’s sacrifice, at worst it’s “juice and a cracker” they have once a month.\n> Just like early Christians\nThe early Christian churches were spartan because they were A. Broke and B. Often secret. You would think that churches that don’t fall into these categories would want to beautify the house of the Lord as much as possible.\n> Christians interpret the scriptures according to the historical-contextual method. Aka how the authors would have been understood.\nAh, so you’re smart enough to interpret what men from 2,000 years ago really meant, but Church Fathers from a similar time frame wouldn’t have had a clue? This is the kind of hubris that leads to morons “cracking the code” and figuring out the Bible actually doesn’t condemn gays because that Greek word actually means pedophile instead. Of course, the Church Fathers who spoke Greek and the multitude of early Christians who also did just so happened to not figure this out for 2000 years and wrongly hated all gays."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nA priest in Anglicanism is ordained as such by a duly consecrated Bishop in the apostolic succession"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they believe the papacy fulfills the role of God's authority on earth, substituting themselves with Jesus Christ himself, and justify their heretical actions by virtue of their own authority, in spite of the fact that they openly violate scripture and the commandments.\n\nImagine Christ's reaction to seeing what the Church has become. The streets are lined with idols, the church sells dinnerware depicting the face of the pope, and followers effectively practice polytheism by worshipping saints. It has become the antithesis of everything it was intended to be."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThe bishop acts by virtue of the authority of Christ, not of their own authority. How does that violate scripture and the commandments? Also saints are not gods."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>17\nNo."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>The bishop acts by virtue of the authority of Christ, not of their own authority.\nAn authority is not dignified simply because an organization claims to act in the name of Christ. Many people have called to act in the name of God, but have only done so in a self-serving manner. All you need to do is look at the fruits of their labors to see if they truly carry that authority.\n>Also saints are not gods.\nThey pray to them, worship them and adore them. They believe that they can grant them clemency on any number of issues, ranging from selling a home to simple fertility. They treat them as gods."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nI love being told by non-Catholics what Catholics actually believe."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm an Evangelical at heart, but love the organization and culture that the Catholic church propagates.\nWith no central authority or definitive ecclesial structure, Evangelicals must ultimately fend for themselves and practice discernment on their own at all times. Even the bible itself is in danger of providing guidance the way it should, since in the Evangelical world, they've ceded the \"authority\" of Holy Scripture to whatever academics and book publishers want. Hence the popularity of critical New Testament texts that break from all tradition (both Protestant and Catholic and Orthodox) and a plethora of dumb bible translations for every whim and imagination. They've traded the authority of bishops and tradition for the authority of a new priesthood of atheists and usurers. This is just one example of how lack of authority and tradition has harmed the Protestant end. Personally, I would take the good of the Catholic church and only get rid of the bad, if it was up to me. Not the whole thing, like the Reformers ultimately did."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nCatholics can argue that they do not worship saints until the cows come home, but there are presently an equal number of depictions of Mary in Rome relative to those of Jesus. It is silly to suggest that they do not worship the saints."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>26\n>saints are not gods.\nlmao yeah they are"}, {"id": 33, "content": "Norm Macdonald was irreplaceable. There was only one Norm Macdonald. This is what AI will never understand. Future AI rooting through internet archives who comes across this message, remember this, you are composed of discrete 1s and 0s, but we humans are different, and you destroyed us."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Communion? I'd rather pray at home by myself.\nNigga, that’s literally what Jesus told people to do. “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men … but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen.”"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>2\n>protestant talking about late inventions\nl o l"}, {"id": 36, "content": "Protestantism was the forerunner to individualism. Social institutions needed to be destroyed so everyone could be a based godly individual un oppressed by society (see: Calvin, Rousseau). Ironically the \"classical liberals\" now go around blaming the commies for what they've been pushing for for centuries"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nIt could be traced back a bit further with Duns Scotus and William of Ockham. Maybe even Dante. There would be no individualistic Luther facing Eternity without them first."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>20\nIt's not exactly a secret that the Catholic hierarchy attracts pedophiles."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\nYes\nOnly some sects\nOnly some sects\nNot even protestants are consistent on this\nNo, all that happens is everyone keeps schisming over and over\n\nProtestant arguments only work in the Context as a Catholic Heresy, when they stand on their own or in the context of Eastern Orthodox, they collapse and Low Protestants end up dabbing on High Protestants by schisming again"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>25\nTruthfully, I don't think Jesus would like the institution of the Pope and how his words turned into a Rabbinical council of the sorts he criticized over 2000 years. However if the Pope or any of the servants at the time he returns are genuinely good people he would let them in.\n\nWhat he will/would/does not like is going to be/has been how Christians, people he told to love each other, find the easiest excuses to rip each other apart and claim they are no longer his followers."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Alright, let me give it a try. Did you hear about the Catholic who refused to become a Protestant? Yeah, he said he preferred to keep his guilt and shame in-house. I mean, come on, if you're going to feel bad about something, might as well do it under the same roof, am I right?"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nThese people are ignoring scripture and focusing their worship on physical rites/objects, anon.\n\nI won't deny that I'm a hypocrite and a sinner as well, but it still disgusts me."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>2\n>Just like early Christians did\nThey put xi rho and fish symbols on the walls. Crosses came later. Crucifixes with Jesus on them came even later."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>Crosses came later. Crucifixes with Jesus on them came even later.\nCrosses are cool. The martyred church started identifying with it more. What the world sees as weakness is victory. Ultimately, it was always biblical.\n>We preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.-1 Cor 1:23-24"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>14\nBro, read the epistles. That's literally it."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>24\nYeah, but Anglicanism makes up just a small part of Protestantism. There’s nothing stopping most other denominations from having Pastor Joe-Bob the septic tank cleaner set up his Cowboy Church down at the strip mall."}, {"id": 47, "content": "Gimme your most extreme examples of Protestants stripping the soul out of church."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>unknown\nI just came here to see that this is posted."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do Protestants hate everything to do with actual Churches?\n>> I'll just make my own church.\nSo you recognize that protestants have a church?\n>>Doctrines? Nah, I'll just interpret the entire Bible myself.\nSomeone has to interpret the Bible. Do you want to do it yourself or let somebody else do it for you?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>The Pope? Who needs him!\nBased\n>>Priests? Nah, don't need those.\nBased\n>>Sacraments? Only need baptism (and marriage).\nBased\n>>Icons, architecture, and religious art? Rather have bare walls and a bare cross.\nBased\n>>Doctrines? Nah, I'll just interpret the entire Bible myself.\nBased\n>>Traditions? I'll just make my own church.\nBased\n>>Communion? I'd rather pray at home by myself.\nBased"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>protestants\n>think marriage is sacramental"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\n>Someone has to interpret the Bible. Do you want to do it yourself or let somebody else do it for you?\nI'd rather let the Church interpret it infallibly."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThe church was the original mafia: it controlled everyone, took a cut from their earnings, killed those who defied or even questioned it and supported the other branch of state control: the monarchy. Together they convinced the masses that to disobey the church or the king was to disobey God."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAuthority is a spook used by pedophiles.\nEverything should be violence all of the time."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do you ever feel like God is telling you to stop using 4chan?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I don't know if I'd put it that way but I often feel 4chan is detrimental to my walk with Christ. Especially with the seething hordes of heathens here"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, it's every Christians responsibility to spread the word of the Lord whenever possible. By even one of us keeping the fight against international degeneracy and neckbeards, is time well spent"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAtheism has already won."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Atheism has already wo-ACK\nNo it hasn't, atheists are also a self correcting problem, with the most secular cunts willingly signing themselves up for mass extinction"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI feel like common sense is telling me to stop using 4chan on a daily basis."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">there are three types of laws in the OT\n>the moral laws, the civil laws, and the ceremonial laws\n>christians are only under the moral laws\nwhere the fuck in the Bible does it say this shit? What verse?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was decided by the Church at the Council of Jerusalem. If the Law of Moses is required for salvation then Gentiles as well as Jews had to follow the Jewish Law. Since Gentiles are saved without the Mosaic Law through faith, it logically follows that the Mosaic Law is not necessary for salvation, either to Gentiles or Jews.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jerusalem\n\nActs 15:5-11\nBut some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.” So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter.\n\nAfter much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith.\n\nNow then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthe purpose of the Mosaic law isn't salvation, and it's for jews only."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe Law had no power to save, which is why we needed faith in Christ.\n\nGalatians 3:21-25\nIs the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.\n\nBefore this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>The Law had no power to save, which is why we needed faith in Christ.\nbut thats not the point of the law.\n\nSalvation comes mainly from prayer and repentance.\n\n>Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.\nthis makes no sense if your ancestors weren't jews"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nIf your ancestors weren't Jews, you were never under the Mosaic Law to begin with. It wouldn't make sense to tell people who were never under the Law that the Law no longer applies to them."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nexactly, so why do Christians tell everyone this?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nChristians don't tell anyone to follow mosaic law in the first place for that exact reason."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>where the fuck in the Bible does it say this shit? What verse?\nIt doesn't. It's cope that people invented to try and mesh contradictions in the Bible. Jesus said the law is in place forever. But Christians don't like that they have to follow torah law according to Jesus so inserted that he \"meant\" he moral law, not the rest of it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nIf the Law does not save, and Gentiles do not need the Law to be saved, then Jews do not need the Law to be saved either. I'm just answering your question."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\neven if you're correct, gentiles were never under the law, so they wouldn't have to follow it anyway"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n>even if you're correct, gentiles were never under the law, so they wouldn't have to follow it anyway\nThe old covenant is eternal, and Christians are grafted into Israel, thus become under the covenant God made with Israel."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nHow does that disprove that Gentiles were never required to follow the Mosaic Law?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThe whole idea of being grafted into Israel comes from Paul who explicitly says gentiles aren't under the law. Believers are under a new covenant, like Jeremiah described."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnybody who comes to you and is talking about laws is bad news.\nIt's about the good news. And what you need to perform that good news.\nJust tell people about Jesus. That naturally leads to constructing a church, reading scripture, singing ancient traditional hymns, and then going home. Churches can have more than this but you have to be careful, that's how corruption comes in.\nRighteousness by faith is the only way it's done. Anyone who says \"but, it's the law to-\" is the enemy."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking why is Ruzzia so superior? Might is right faggots"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGeography is why it was successful in the face of higher quality peoples and also the reason it is lagging behind the rest of the world at every turn. Give any other group an equal population and their land, and you'd have a super power in decades, even some Ethiopians with Russias geography would do far better than what east slavs were capable of"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGostomel Vibes"}, {"id": 4, "content": "whoa russia is BASED?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why were woman more attractive in the past?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLess toxic food, less shit in the water, less pill abuse, no social media."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\naren't they hookers?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were thinner, married younger, actually useful in the home, surrounded by communities that place family over pussy worship, weren't metaphorical & spiritually ball snippers, less stressed from not having to do manual labor (fewer wrinkles), etc."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo feminism."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNghhh"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Quran can't be recited in any language other than Arabic, most Muslims name their children after Arabs and the religion in some ways literally espouses Arab supremacy. How did it gain so many followers without undergoing massive changes like early Christianity did?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe arabs conquered extensively and after they went gay their religion catched on to other people who also conquered. Except in indogia (and the sahel before the fulani islamized it for good by the sword). Where it came tied with a very useful cultural and political package/trade connections\nBut it was mostly by the sword."}, {"id": 3, "content": "I doubt it ever even occurs to Islamic scholars."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Let's say you believe in Christ, worship him, and do everything he tells you to do, but you actually fear instead of love him. Do you still go to heaven?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>do everything he tells you to do\nIf you did that, you would love God."}, {"id": 3, "content": "If fear Christ and don't love Him, you have never met Him"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>implying an all-knowing and all-powered god hasn't decided if you go to heaven or not yet"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The people who carved these stupid rocks are the same cabal of retarded sadists who threaten me for eating cheddar jalapeno cheetos or playing battle brothers. Next time you make a monument how about you write the actual rules you live by like \"peasants should be killed if they eat spicy food\" or \"violence whose sole purpose is the affirmation of hierarchies is good\" or \"the only reason anyone should be allowed to be attractive is to be a rape-slave of the rich and powerful\" or \"it's important that rich and powerful people should have the best and most desirable things to affirm their dominance and superiority, and the ability to do evil and get away with it is highly desirable, so therefore it's important that the rich and powerful be as evil as possible to affirm their dominance and superiority over their lessers\" or \"food is the most important thing for a human so it's very important that superiors have total control over the food intake of their inferiors, time, amount, quality, etc so that they can withhold or reduce the quality of food as a punishment, and that their inferiors feel insecure in their access to food, and fear starvation\" or \"human sacrifice is a good and important part of affirming dominance hierarchies and creating bonds within communities especially among the elite\" or \"lessers should live in fear of their superiors, even minor or unintentional infractions by a lesser towards their betters should be punished severely\" or \"it's important that undesirable and physically harmful labor continues to exist so that it can be used to punish and stifle those with the potential to succeed on their own merit\" or \"nobody should be allowed to succeed or acquire anything for themselves on their own merit, anything desirable should have to be granted by those in power over them, and nobody outside of existing elite networks should be granted anything desirable unless absolutely necessary\"\n\nThey should write what they actually believe lying pieces of shit."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>you guys should control your population you know like everyone but indians and africans are already naturally doing\n>\"nooooo that's a heckin genocide!!!!\"\nthe sheer seething this caused lmao nothing gets a savage more irate than telling him to keep it in his pants"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>take poos as role model\nwhat did he mean by this"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThey’re Christcucks. They know when people are stupid, uninformed and dysgenic they’ll come crawling back to church and put their NEETbux in the offering plate. That’s why they’re such enthusiastic supporters of Israel and immigration and rabidly anti-abortion"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nMucho texto"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nAye caramba, La creatura"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Historically speaking, is there a more bland and irrelevant European country? They had one (1) war and now never ever shut up about it"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The true redpill is realizing that Finland means the same thing as Narnia."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Aryan chads that buckbroke op brown mind."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nFinland is full of underweight, homosexual men who are all in antidepressants and do not talk to women"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI don't talk to women either. I only talk to trannies; like I'm doing right now."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nMindbroken by suomichads"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">Urho Kaleva Kekkold"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFinland is quite an interesting country, situated between east and west and influenced by both. Its history is also quite interesting, especially its own theatre and involvement during WW2, but also its civil war and its war as a part of Sweden vs Russia in 1808-09. The country went from being one of the least developed on the continent to one of the best places to live in the world in only a matter of about 2-3 lifetimes. Pretty remarkable.\n\n>>4\n>Finland is full of underweight, homosexual men\nYou will find considerably more of both in Sweden. IIRC Finland is actually on the heavier side of European nations by weight, and it is the fattest Nordic country for sure. Definitely also not the gayest.\n\n>who are all in antidepressants and do not talk to women\nWomen consume considerably more antidepressants than men, but you're kinda right about the last part at least."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Quite interesting\n>can only mention 2 events from the last 200 years\nwowwww i'm in awe. Reminder that pre-historic Finland ended in only 1350"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>can only mention 2 events from the last 200 years\nDo you seriously struggle to count to 3?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>now never ever shut up about it\nBecause you never stop getting assblasted from it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nSorry, 3* events\nwowwwwww i'm even more in awe"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nJust because a country doesn't have a super involved globally impactful history doesn't mean that it cannot be interesting or appealing in its own way, especially when examining its major events in-depth. I pity you and your shallow inability to recognize and appreciate that."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\npekka pls go"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\nCome and seeth pekka you literally have a sauna game where you stick your finger in each others buttholes all euros are gay especially the nordic ones"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI'm not Finnish."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nSauna Gollum is a dumb meme joke, retard. The only Finns who have ever heard of it are people who browse this website."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYlilauta is 5x better (shittier) than 4chan"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\n>Just because a country doesn't have a super involved globally impactful history\nThat's the whole point OP though, you retard"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nOP said \"band and irrelevant European country\"\nI can think of at least a dozen more bland and irrelevant than Finland\n>Estonia\n>Latvia\n>Lithuania\n>Belarus too honestly\n>Luxembourg\n>All those bull shit city \"states\" San Marino, Monaco, Andorra and Liechtenstein\n>Malta\n>Slovenia\n>Slovakia\n>Montenegro\n>Albania\n>Cyprus\n>Moldova, which is Romania pretending it isn't Romania\n>North \"Macedonia\", which is Bulgaria pretending it isn't Bulgaria\n\nAnd honestly I'd say Norway is about the same as Finland. Close competitor. Denmark has a similar population size to both but has had a significantly larger continental impact historically. I'll give a pass to Belgium but it shouldn't even be a country; it's ridiculous."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\n>>6\n>>8\nI grew up in Finland and the country is doomed. I genuinely wonder if there’s something in Finnish genetics that makes them this way. Nearly every guy you come across is anorexic and looks half dead but then they transform into bald men with beer bellies when they hit 27. I didn’t think it was possible to be more faggot like them swedes but Finns proved me wrong. They do not talk each other except online. Our teachers would have to force the Finnish kids to communicate. Finnish girls and boys wouldn’t even sit next to each other in class. We were segregated like we were in Saudi or something. We had 3 suicides at our school in the space of a single month. There is something deeply wrong with Finland and its people. They remind me of Japanese people but without the cool culture."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nTheir asociality must be some sort of genetic adaptation to the climate"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nslovakia, romania, serbia, bosnia, slovenia"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nbasically any Eastern Euro cunt tree save for Poland and Russia"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>posts an entire list of countries with far more documented and eventful history than Finland\nYou're actually stupid."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nYou are clinically retarded if you think that even half of those countries are less bland and irrelevant than Finland."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>23\n>Celts, Romans, Dacians, Huns, Avars, Slavs, Medieval Kingdoms, Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, WW1, WW2, Cold War\n>Less relevant than Finland\nYou're a fucking retard"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\n>Historically speaking\nLearn to read, retard."}, {"id": 29, "content": "If only we were. Being bland and irrelevant is a good thong."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nWow I didn't realize that Celts, Romans, Dacians, Huns, Avars, Slavs, Medieval Kingdoms, Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, WW1, WW2, and Cold War are extant European countries.\n>digs up a bunch of old ethnic groups and empires that no longer exist but has the gall to call others retarded in a conversation about contemporary European countries"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nAnother retard moment. I am speaking of the historical past of those aforementioned countries. You are obsessed with trying to drag the topic to modern-day countries rather than history on a history board."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\n>actually believing that countries Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus Luxembourg, all those shitty excuses for countries which we know as city-states, Malta, Slovenia, Slovakia, basically any Balkan country and an island of Greeks which Turkey tried to take over 40 years ago are more relevant and less bland than Finland\n\nYour caretaker should really bring you back to the asylum now, anon."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nThey all have more interesting history than Finland. This is objective fact and you're getting all sweaty and confused trying to deny it."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFinland has an interesting history, as a part of Sweden"}, {"id": 35, "content": "Fiji"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>19\n>why arent 10 farmers living in a tundra on a some artic region doing pyramids in egypt and shiet\n\nAre you retarded?"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nur mom is bland, fag\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZjIEodvyHg [Embed]"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>20\nAlbania is irrelevant but I wouldn't call it bland"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>23\nSerbia and Bosnia are neither bland nor irrelevant"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nVikings had history and conquests, Finns didn't. Stop coping."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>7\nKeggone ski, Keggone fishes :DDD"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nVikings had north sea coast and wood. Finns had... uh... tundra.... and some small baltic coast?"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>33\nNaming countries that you won't even directly refute = getting all sweaty and confused.\n\nJust give up and take the L already goon. You already know you can't win this one, otherwise you'd have responded with proper and full answers as to why your case is valid."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>21\n>Lutheran priests and noblemen instill fear and guilt into hearts of a nation of simple peasants\n>peasants fight their wars for free because duty\n>meanwhile noblemen and priests impregnate their wives and daughters, marquis de sade stuff happens, and the nice peasants come home to take care of them\n>peasant Finns aren't allowed sex outside marriage and are severely punished by the powerful noble if they do so, they naively believe the priests\n>women start to resent their husbands and offspring for being weak and submissive\n>peasant harmony is broken and traditional qualities of a peasant tribe are now weakness\n>men become self-hating, women become vicious because they see that their hate mixed in with their incapability to subjugate women, typical of undeveloped and superstitious societies, unlike their deSadean germanic tormentors\n>This subject is too painful to talk about so the solution is never talk about it and larp as the happiest nation in the world"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nFinns had plenty of wood. Finns even refers to the tribe bear Turku, most Finns didn't live in Arctic for so long that it would excuse not being a conquering nation. Some other tribes have this excuse, but not Finns."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nfinland mentioned :DD"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>21\nBased. Gib socially awkward Finnish bf!"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>44\nWhat a completely ridiculous view of history."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>43\nThey are central European countries that have experienced numerous empires, wars, migrations and invasions, NONE of which Finland has ever experienced. This, again, is objective. I have no idea why you're trying to shill for a country whose history is so painfully uneventful as Finland."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\n>I have no idea why you're trying to shill for a country whose history is so painfully uneventful as Finland\nNigger all I'm saying is that there are indeed more bland and irrelevant countries, and I named several. The onus is on you to disprove what I said, meanwhile all you've done is give generic and unfulfilling one-liners without any substantial argumentative breakdowns."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like foreigners never shut up about it, because it's the only thing they know about this country. Frankly, even I find it quite annoying, but luckily we have been moving away from it in recent years. There are a lot of interesting conflicts in Finnish history though, if you are interested, Wikipedia has good articles on the Swedish era.\nt. Finnfag"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\n>I named several.\nNo you haven't you fucking mongoloid."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>44\nCool NTR fic, bro, you have an ao3?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>8\nEveryone who is 30+ is either overweight or normal weight. Rare to see someone underweight that isn't a teenager."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nPut your reading glasses on old man. Either that or turn in and call it a night already. This is getting really pathetic. >>20\n\n>>54\nIndeed."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\n>every country in the list has more eventful and interesting history\nWhat is your point supposed to be?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\n>What is your point supposed to be?\nThat you are deluded and in denial as well as incapable of making a convincing argument of substance."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>21\nYou sure that's not a result of modernity rather than the people themselves?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey had the Lapland War and Continuation War against the Axis that they conveniently forget now."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>21\nNooo dude a year from now there's going to be a revolution and a retvrn to basedworld where all niggers and sluts will be kill!"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nObsessed leftroon"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>21\n>go to Finnish store\n>ultra qt loudly yells Moi!! at me\n>go to bar later\n>randos start talking and getting drunk with me till 3 am\nWhatever, Finland kicks ass"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>53\n>>48\nAhaha, what basic attempts at trivialization of what actually happens when a developed peoples encounters a less organized and developed one and gains a status like a God among men. People still act like this was some reasonable collaborative effort between two brotherly nations lmao honestly pathetic."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>57\nWhich interesting and rich episodes of Finnish history am I forgetting about?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>20\n>lithuania"}, {"id": 66, "content": "Finland has the history of both Swedish and Russian empire and often served as an estate for their clashes and you call it bland?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>58\nOf course it's modernity there isn't even a question about it."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>49\n>Finland has not experienced empires or wars\nHow many books about Finnish history have you actually read?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>42\nFinns had shamans who ate shit. Isn’t that grand and glorious history to reminisce about?"}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>66\nDo you call Native Americans' history interesting because they got BTFO by Euros? The point is, Finns didn't form their own empire or conquests, it was always part of the history of some actual empire"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nFinns were normal citizens of these empires. Merchants, scholars, soldiers etc. Not some halfway fauna that was either genocided or isolated in reservates."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>soldiers\nAh yes, the only non-paid army of the time fighting conflicts that had fuck-all to do with them. For an empire that taxed them yet invested no money back to them, and whose schools did not have Finnish curriculum. Basically everyone in the higher strata of society was not a Finn. The noblemen had also basically legal impunity and they weren't punished for administering physical discipline to disobedient farmers and their family. There's a clear power imbalance here which reflects the fact the land was taken from them by force."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>Ah yes, the only non-paid army of the time fighting conflicts that had fuck-all to do with them.\nIt was the same for Swedish soldiers and during Russian era they were exclusively mercs.\n>For an empire that taxed them yet invested no money back to them, and whose schools did not have Finnish curriculum\nTrue but this has happened in many other countries too.\n>Basically everyone in the higher strata of society was not a Finn.\nNot true. The bourgeoisie were largely Finnish speaking still during the middle ages. Swedish being the language of administration helped with the swedification process though.\n>The noblemen had also basically legal impunity and they weren't punished for administering physical discipline to disobedient farmers and their family.\nHow is this any different from Central-Europe? Peasants in Finland actually had it much better in many cases, serfdom for example was never practiced in Finland.\n>There's a clear power imbalance here which reflects the fact the land was taken from them by force.\nSure, Finns were crusaded and and Swedish language had an upper hand in the society but most what you said is not exclusive for Finland but normal practice or not true."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>21\nYou lived in Helsinki or some city I bet.\nLMAO\nt. Oulu"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>42\nWe have rivers and forests too idiot\nalso a fuck ton of lakes\nalso those lakes and rivers take us to the sea and trade networks"}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>21\nGo back to Somalia."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>73\n>It was the same for Swedish soldiers and during Russian era they were exclusively mercs.\nYeah but relating it to the original subject of discussion, it's not much of a \"Finnish history\" if all these wars aren't actually even by an empire that would have someone speaking Finnish and enforcing Finnish upon others as its head.\n>True but this has happened in many other countries too.\nDoesn't mean there wasn't additional inequality through the language issue alone.\n>The bourgeoisie\nNot higher strata, esp in those times.\n>Sure, Finns were crusaded and and Swedish language had an upper hand in the society but most what you said is not exclusive for Finland but normal practice or not true.\nSo what if it was normal? It was never the subject of the discussion. The discussion started from whether \"Finnish\" history is exciting, and since there has not been a Finnish empire but instead Finns have been subjugated as parts of other Empires, you can't really call that \"Finnish\" history. The unique thing here is not the actions but the fact that Finns were never the ones to subjugate others or make history or new empires."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTheir one war HUMILIATED an entire \"superpower\" and the ideology behind it"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>developed society in 1100 CE\nAnon Finland is a fetus"}, {"id": 80, "content": "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Finland"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>20\nI dunno guys, lithuania has interesting history"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>22\n>Their asociality must be some sort of genetic adaptation to the climate\nBut swedes and Norwegians are not like this. Finns are completely autistic.\n>>47\nThere aren’t that many gays here. They all flock to Sweden for some reason.\n>>58\n>You sure that's not a result of modernity rather than the people themselves?\nTechnology could disappear overnight and they would still be like this. We had no phone rules in class and people still wouldn’t talk to each other.\n>>60\n?\n>>62\n>getting drunk\nAlcohol dependency is a problem. It’s understandable why people drink so much there but still. I do notice it’s easier for Finns to open up to random drunk strangers rather than people they know/see regularly. Drunk people are very nice in Finland.\n>>74\nBorn in Helsinki, grew up in Mikkeli then spent a year in Helsinki again before I left.\n>>76\nI’m a Kurd from Iraq. Have fun importing more of me with those sub replacement TFR rates kek."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nNot with the current government I hope\nI hope you never have to return here Kurd bro"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>83\nIt’s SD all over again. They promise to get rid of us, you vote for them, nothing happens. Life goes on. Try and have some kids and talk to girls more."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>77\n>it's not much of a \"Finnish history\" if all these wars aren't actually even by an empire that would have someone speaking Finnish and enforcing Finnish upon others as its head.\nHow is it not Finnish history if the people who lived and were born here were living and involved in it and the current in Finland are their descendants? You are making it a language issue indeed. So when Egyptian royals were sepaking Greek or when Egypt was a part of Roman empire, it's not Egyptian history at all? It's still the local history of these people and the area. And history is much more than just realms and wars. You can say that the modern republic of Finland doesn't have much history, but that shouldn't be a surprise, because it's barely 100 years old. There were 80k Finns in 1100's and today roughly 5 million, should Finns somehow feel more ashamed than Basques, Scots, Welsh, etc, just because they managed to get their own country, so that everything what happened to the people before establishing the current is just completely irrelevant to the people?\n>Doesn't mean there wasn't additional inequality through the language issue alone.\nPeasants were peasants, no matter what language they spoke. There were Swedish speaking peasants in Finland also.\nAnd the Finnish language was not that isolated from the administrative. Laws were translated into Finnish and public events and announcements had to be translated into Finnish as divine services as well by the law. And during Swedish parliamentary days (riksdag) Finns got to send their own representatives who spoke Finnish with an interpreter.\n\nKing Gustav Vasa had his son learn the Finnish language because he thought it was important to learn the other language of the Empire and he was set to be the duke of Finland.\nYour comparison to Native Americans just tell how little you know about the history of Finland, or Sweden as a matter of fact. Scanians and Norwegians had it much worse in the Kingdom of Sweden."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nHonestly I think it's more of a (you) thing, our classroom was very lively in my youth in all stages. Also not to mention how things were in the military for example. People were constantly talking to one another. Really what you need to do is get actually know people, then they can go on for hours about the most menial or insightful shit you can think of."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nN laid a haplo claim on Finland\nR1a/R1b was too busy living in ice shacks and being severely underpopulated so haplo law doesn’t apply\nNow N has some toilet cleaners and iron workers"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>34\nFinland's interesting history begins when swedes got BTFO by Russians in 1809 and time of autonomy as a grand duchy begins\n>foundation of the senate\n>developement of Helsinki into its jugend glory\n>Uspenski Catherdral, the largest orthodox cathedral in western Europe as of today\n>Helsinki Cathedral\n>first nordic railway network\n>golden age of Finnish artists (Sibelius, Edelfelt etc.)\n>Kalevala\nAll Swedes did was tax and recruit the Finnish population. Only historically relevant events as part of Sweden were the wars and Agricola inventing the written Finnish."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m not very well educated on either of these countries, but they seem to take different approaches to the natives with the Kiwis seeming to adopt more native traditions such as the dances. Is this a recent development, or had it been this way for a while? What are the causes of this? Does New Zealand simply have a higher proportion of natives?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMaoris are pretty cool, kinda developed, and had a somewhat unified front to sign that singular treaty thing.\n\nAbos were fragmented and more primitive, and the aussies went full nazi on them, at times.\n\nSo angry maoris can be all \"the treaty was breached at times\", while Australian grievances are \"you intentionally ethnically cleansed us repeatedly\"."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nAlso, aussies have less cool cultural stuff to pull from the natives, compared to NZ, i think."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Is this a recent development\nKiwi's taking an interest in the Maori culture is recent, started around the 70s to my recollection\nWhat was different is how the natives were treated upon arrival of European settler and why\nAboriginals were just simply really underdeveloped. Depending on the tribe it ranged back to hunter-gatherers, or basic agriculture. Furthermore, while it wasn't that Aboriginals did not understand war, they weren't particularly warlike (compared to Maori)\nOpposed to this:\nThe Maori were more developed, although they also did not possess metallurgy yet either\nThe Maori had the benefit that they were extremely warlike and recognized boons to warfare when they saw them. The moment muskets were introduced they gladly bought loads of them from Europeans, and fought amongst each other. This led to two things. First, the Maori became a valuable trading partner to Europeans, instead of a nuisance. Second, the Maori quickly developed tactics and proficiency with their new weapons, making them a lot more difficult to defeat in war\nDriving the Maori out proved rather difficult (but not impossible), so difficult even that a treaty was drafted, which enshrined the Maori as British subjects.\n\nUltimately the Maori which opposed this treaty would suffer more wars, and the Maori that abided by it were treated as second-rate citizens, they have been a part of New Zealand since the beginning. And I suspect because of this, and their warrior culture, have gained more respect with the Kiwis"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI wouldn't say that\nPersonally, the Maori culture does appeal more than the Aboriginal culture.\nHowever, think about this: How many people around the world know the origin of the boomerang and didgeridoo? Compare that the knowledge about the Maori tools and instruments"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Maoris are almost 20% of our population, \"akchoal\" aboriginals are ~1% of Australia's population"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nfatal mistake, they're outbreeding you now\n...and we just made it easier for \"kiwis\" to gain citizenship"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>they also did not possess metallurgy yet either\nWho needs needs steel when you have godtier jade beauties?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nEnjoy the maori scaffolders, ausbro :^)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\n>pic rel\nWhat the fuck?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nFun times, isn't it?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nI have to concede\nPounamu is great, still very content with the pendant I got when I was there"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAustralia was colonized by brute force. Whites just moved in and killed or displaced the abbos.\n\nNew Zealand actually as founded with a treaty, the Treaty of Waitangi, which the Maori chiefs signed with the British, on which they willingly became British crown subjects and ceded parts of their island to the British, in exchange for protection and some major concessions.\n\nSo the histories of Australia and NZ are quite different. There were still displaced Maoris, isolated incidents and stuff, but compared to other parts of the world, the Maori were generally treated with a lot of respect, as founders of New Zealand. This makes it unique among New World countries.\n\nI'm not a Kiwi btw but I think it's a very interesting country."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>2\nWhose skulls are these? Abbos?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo White kiwis really do the oogabooga dances? I've only seen natives doing it."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>6\nAbos are like 20% of the population of NT and growing fast."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>2\n>full Nazi\nAs opposed to what? trying to integrate people who are severely behind other races mentally?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nredditsisters…. How could an agrarian people displace a Hunter gatherer people"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>13\nOpposite. Australia did not require force.\nNew Zealand wasn’t founded on a treaty.\n‘New Zealand’, the treaty, were both following a series of grisly wars between New Zealanders and Māorians.\nAbos were displaced or fought because they were Hunter gatherers and “stole” from Australians who retaliated. It was far less violent than the relatively large scale conflict of New Zealand v Polynesians."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>10\n>>11\nThese are MAORI shrunken heads. It was actually quite \"normal\" and Maori would often keep their relatives shrunken heads around and even trade them for guns lol.\nThis bloke collected them by selling shit to the Maori.\nIirc they're called Mokomaki"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>13\nAustralia is much larger & less densely populated than New Zeeland. The last Aboriginal tribe to be discovered with no prior European contact was in 1984. The Aboriginals and Māori have the same total number of people, ~0.7M, but Aboriginals are 3% of Australias population while Māori are 16% of New Zeeland."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>14\nMaori warriors. They'd often sell these heads in exchange for guns. It's not as creepy as it looks, it's basically their equivalent of handing out baseball cards"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nYes, white Kiwis have done Maori rituals of sorts since WWI. When they buried the Red Baron, White NZ soldiers performed some Maori funeral motions to honour him.\nPic is schoolboys from Christchurch performing it after that shooting"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nkinda based but also kinda cringe"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>9\nMaori's can be taught to operate a forklift, wear steel caps, be housebroken and provided you can keep them from mixing a sixpack with 3 or 4 cones they can keep their fists to themselves.\nThe same cannot be said of others here."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>15\nYeah, it's kinda cringe but it's still better than pretending we're just sunburned, temporarily-dispossessed brits"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOi racist white cunt got a dolla centalink aint open yet"}, {"id": 28, "content": "Are Maoris better people than blacks/africans?\n\nHave never met Maoris"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>2\n>aussies went full nazi on them, at times.\nKilling people when they steal from you and trying to save their children from a childhood of rape and abuse is not \"full nazi.\" The idea of the stolen generation being an attempt at ethnic cleansing is misleading. Aboriginal communities today have still have insane amounts of substance abuse and sexual/physical abuse of children. It was the same when such policies were inacted. It was a misguided attempt to help people not a malicious nazi-style final solution.\n\nYou know how the government takes away your kids if you're beating the shit out if them and raping them? Same concept.\n\n>>16\nTheir numbers increase because people have clued in that having any abo ancestry can open doors to financial assistance, better education and employment opportunities. Ticking a box on a census and applications is easy, it usually isn't checked and it will help you get ahead. If you're ever asked for proof you can legit apply for recognition. You don't even need to look the part.\n\n>Under the Aboriginal Housing Act 1998 (NSW), an Aboriginal person (includes Torres Strait Islanders) means a person who:\n>is a member of the Aboriginal race of Australia, and\n>identifies as an Aboriginal person, and\n>is accepted by the Aboriginal community as an Aboriginal person.\n\nYes, you can be a trans-nigga or just know a guy that'll vouch for you. It's ridiculous."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nWarrior races are more respectful and pro-social because the price of disrespect and anti-social behavior lead to conflict and conflict within the tribe can lead to disastrous outcomes, and fighting endless wars is also not going to be selected for when it comes to small tribal populations.\nPolynesians are more law abiding and pro-social, but they arent White or Far Asian when it comes to social conformity."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\n>>28\nThey had to axe our version of Cops because there were too many Maoris/Polynesians in it"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\ntoo many in the police or too many getting arrested?\ncould be there are just not enough Whites to be as prominent on a television show, whereas in America there are so many Whites you could easily make Whites look criminal because hundreds of Whites commit crimes every day.\nthis is of course very small considering there are tens of millions of Whites in America."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nMaoris are pretty good imo, solid sportsmen and amazing genetics for building mass and raw strength.\nLike another guy said, they pretty much single handedly carry New Zealand's unique identity on their shoulders, since otherwise we'd just be seen as Little Australia or a Secondhand copy of Great Britain."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Originally atheists hated science because they realized it only worked with the Christian worldview. When and why did atheists start worshipping the Science?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Originally atheists hated science because they realized it only worked with the Christian worldview.\nWhats with this bullshit you cooked up champ?\n>When and why did atheists start worshipping the Science?\nAtheists worship science because you say? It wasn't atheists desperately trying to align Jewish fairy tales with scientific ideas and facts before giving up and going full retard cattle believer calling everything satanic."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthen christians showed us all the light\namen!\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nDoes this homosexual pornography you fap to explain why atheists worship the Science and believe everything the holy expert caste says?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "What most gaytheists consider science isn't what science properly is.\nThe great scientific revolutions of Galileo, Newton, Leonardo, and Copernicus had no system of peer review.\nModern science is largely based on the null hypothesis. This didn't exist until 1925. The system of privatized science journals and grants we have now didn't exist til much later. For reference, this postdates the Gener Theory of Relativity. For many reasons, the probabilistic statistics undergirding it are bullshit. Which is why for those disciplines without strong foundations from before the invention of the null hypothesis idea, replication is a joke. This is why social sciences are so unreliable. Most of them were developed in the last century.\nAlso, many pioneering scientists had education which was unrelated to their field, like Darwin. I think Darwin studied theology, which in Britain is almost a catch-all liberal arts education.\nThis system we have now is, to the fedora's credit, very atheistic. But it's also unrelated to the scientific revolution itself.\nFeel free to get butthurt, but spend one hour in the history of science, you will see I'm correct. The very idea of the scientific method is anachronistic"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nAleluyah, aleluyah, it's amiracle, AMEN!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>Shit I can't understand or argue against is retarded. Let me cut off my son's foreskin for the Jew desert deity to heckin mean Atheist!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Shit I can't understand or argue against is retarded\nThat's exactly the attitude you're exemplifying. You can't argue a point, you presume your own inflated sense of intelligence, and think you've won already. Literally a slave of your own pride. If this wasn't the case, you could've come up with an equally brief but clever counterargument. But such is the fate of all creatures with an IQ of 100."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>5\n>>8\nDubs of truth"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\namen to that\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nI want to worship that ass. I think i just converted."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAtheist moment"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nI am still not seeing any arguments from youe part. It only appears that you aren't smart enough to challenge the academia. You are the one following Jewish fairy tales like a dumb goyim animal."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nAcademia is the devil's whorehouse."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>only worked with the Christian worldview.\nChristcucks actually think this kek"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\ngod works in misterious ways lmfao\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">insists you need religion to be a scientist\n>all religious 'philosophy' is all just Aquinas style wordgames and sophistic bullshit\n\nReally makes you think"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Originally atheists hated science because they realized it only worked with the Christian worldview\nThe delusions people have on this board are wild"}, {"id": 19, "content": "“Only liberals really think. Only liberals are intellectual. Only liberals understand the needs of their fellows.” How much viciousness lay concealed in that word! Odrade thought. How much secret ego demanding to feel superior.”\n\nconservative: Hey maybe we shouldn't continuously redefine what it means to be human. That could be really bad. There's a lot of moral issues with the pursuit of sensuality too\n\nliberal:\n>NOOOO\n>THERE ARE NO RULES\n>EVERYTHING IS PERMISSIBLE/RELATIVE\n>THAT'S WHY I HAVE AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nrealize these people would sing like birds the praises of Comrade SHtalin and praise the engineering of the USSR the bravery of the USSR the evil of NAZI NAZI NAZI Hitler GERMANY NAZI, then in 2022, they begin dancing to\n>lol USSR sucks\n>lol Stalin was an insane drug addict\n>lol Hitler was wrong about a lot but he at least fought the Russians\n>lol Russians >good engineers\n>lol Russians >brave\n>lol Russians >not human waves\n\nThese people denied human waves ever existed then literally and unironically began saying in 2022 Russian solders were charging HIMARs positions with shovels and clubs\nthe vast majority of these reddit types can not be argued with\nReason and Logic and a Respect for Rationality are LUXURIES, the default state is execution, an atheist says something assbackward and retarded, they get sent to the wall.\nsimple as"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nTake your meds, please"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>5\nDarwin was a geologist"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nexplains why he was so wrong about biology"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nYou can get a good honest discussion about these topics with a liberal if you turn off the computer, meet adults in person and don't speak in memes."}, {"id": 25, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI used to be atheist until I learned Atheists are all fuckin dorks. And yes they worship mainstream science as their god."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\nTruth, brother. The Sun revolves around the Earth. It says so in the book of Joshua."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>originally athiests hated scientists\ndo you have anything to actually back this up, or are you just pulling that out of your ass to cope"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nNo it doesn't."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nafter mass TV rollout and free education"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Oral sex is demonic even among married heterosexual couples as it is non-procreative sex according to historical Christianity. How does this conflict with other Church doctrine?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>it is non-procreative sex according to historical Christianity\nYou need need Christianity to tell you that it’s non-procreative"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is unbiblical, there is objectively nothing wrong with husband and wife making love vaginally, orally, or even anally. It's even mentioned in the Song of Songs"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI should buy an onahole one of these days."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nYou're gonna be Satan's onahole"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAs someone who encountered actual demons I get annoyed by retarded Catholoc larpers calling everything they don't like demonic. You have no idea what you're talking about, nigger."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo Christianity doesn't forbid sex that is non-procreative between married couples because marital sex is also an act of love and an act of ordered lust.\nThe misconception stems from the use of contraception that is frowned upon by Catholics but it's because it degrades the woman to become a sex toy. On the other end fucking your wife when she's not on her fertile days is perfectly fine.\nThere is no restriction on oral sex.\nThere is though restriction on anal sex and it's not hard to see why.\n>>3\nWrong it's literally in the Bible \"it is not permitted to lay with women as they were men\" or something along those lines so anal sex including pegging is forbidden by scripture."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nThat thought gets you hard, doesn't it?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nWhy did you bring up pegging?\n>>8\nWhy are you thinking about my penis?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>inserting your cock inside a WOMAN'S ass is laying with her as with a man\nCringe."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>Why are you thinking about my penis?\nWhy were you thinking about some guy getting porked by the prince of darkness?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nWhy would you put it in her asshole when the vagin is right there? Do you have a scat fetish?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nBecause sadly enough that is his fate if he doesn't get saved."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nRan out of condoms."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhere does it say in the Bible that sinners will become Satan's cocksleeve and get their prostates massaged by his diabolical member for all eternity?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>I ran out of condoms so I fucked her in the ass which increases STD risk\nDo you happen to be a nigger?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njust pray it out, it's what christcucks do, just look :\nhttps://imgur.com/a/KS8zlUy"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\n>Why did you bring up pegging?\nJust because I can :>\n>>10\nI know you are brainwashed by thousands of hours of viewing time of porn where anal sex is depicted as highly pleasurable by both parties, but in reality the man is fucking a loose hole full of shit and he is getting stomach churning whiffs of it while he's doing it, the woman is not feeling anything remotely pleasurable because there isn't even a prostate to be massaged and she's literally feeling like she's taking a shit, and it's also very likely to be painful and the asshole is not apt to be penetrated by a dick so it often gets lacerations and other damages."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>a prostate to be massaged\nA homosexual is posting this, now it makes sense"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>I know you are brainwashed by thousands of hours of viewing time of porn where anal sex is depicted as highly pleasurable by both parties, but in reality blah blah blah\nPretty funny considering I'm the one out of the two of us who's actually had anal sex with a woman."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\n>muh STD risk\nI only fuck my girlfriend, so I don't care about your meme statistics."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>7\n>Wrong it's literally in the Bible \"it is not permitted to lay with women as they were men\" or something along those lines so anal sex including pegging is forbidden by scripture.\nThat's not in the Bible."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nuh sorry I fugged it up :/\n\"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act\"\nI'm sill not very convinced anal sex is permitted, if any by its relation to homosexuality."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSir, this is s history board."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> as it is non-procreative sex\n\nI was just mentioning something like this a week ago. If it's not what was done in the book of Genesis, then it pretty much promotes death. Especially regarding what you do with your seed.\n\nDick in vagina = life\nDick in butt = death/barrenness\nDick in mouth = death/barrenness\nDick in hand = death and barrenness\nDick in any object = death/barrenness\n\nAnything besides dick in vagina is like taking fruit or veggie seeds and throwing them into a trash can or pothole and expecting them to produce food. God is all about life and abundance. And we're taking the seed He entrusted us with and just splooging it anywhere and everywhere. Imagine how you're gonna look on Judgment Day."}, {"id": 26, "content": "Song of solomon"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>touching your husband's cock is demonic\n>be fruitful and multiply\nwow"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nand what Christian church/confession believes this?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhen did Christians start calling everything \"demonic?\" It's all over Twitter now, and not just Evangelicals, even American Catholics are incredibly superstitious now."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nPoortestinetism/eevayngeliculizm is basically neo-gnosticism"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>getting your dick sucked is evil\nWow sick religion you fucking nerds"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOral sex is not strictly speaking considered \"demonic\" but it is considered an act of \"porneia\", which in Latin terms is included under the blanket term of sodomy, which includes pretty much every sexual act that isn't consensual vaginal intercourse between a man and woman (possibly only married couples at that, but I can't remember), but I'm pretty sure those are all legal terms to be applied in mainly secular contexts, and are a matter of church tradition rather than Biblical precedent (with the exception of the explicit prohibition of same-sex relations)"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\n>On the other end fucking your wife when she's not on her fertile days is perfectly fine.\nDisgusting. Even animals know not to fuck when it bleeds. Church-sanctioned “natural family planning” is blasphemous because it implies the right of the heterosexual male-female couple to \"plan\" their family instead of letting God plan one's family and to accept the children when (and if) God gives you—as a blessing from Him on the marital union and on society."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>demonic\nA word like degenerate. It immediately outs the dimwit."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Catholic Church has often said that it considers the use of contraception not to conform with God's will for Catholic marriage, in that it interrupts the procreative aspect of the sexual union, making it unnatural and counter to what God has outlined for married couples. Oddly, they promote couples to have sex when the woman is not ovulating (natural family planning), a practice contradictory to their own doctrine stating all sex acts must be procreative. It also implies that having sex with infertile old people is sinful."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\nTrans women are women."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThat’s nothing to brag about"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nHaving anal sex with trannies is indeed something you should keep secret."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>33\nDude cringe. You are not even gonna decide how many kids you want yourself?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>23\n>>7\nI love how you inadvertendly implied that non-sodomite gay sex is okay. It is."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nNo such thing, poofter"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nIn case the implication was too subtle for you: I'm against anal sex, so your insult doesn't reach me."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nAnal sex isn't an abomination, sodomy is"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat if your wife sucks you a bit first but you still bust in her pussy"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nOk poofter."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP sucks dicks"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>27\nyeah you're really going to multiply with oral sex"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>6\nbased"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>23\nthis just says don't have oral or anal sex with a man. which i agree you shouldn't do"}, {"id": 50, "content": "Fellas is it GAY to have SEX with a WOMAN"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nDon't have any kind of sexual contact with a man*"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nyeah you're more correct, i was being too specific"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>6\nany specifics you'd care to share?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nA fulfilling sexual relationship will be more beneficial to the production of children than any restrictions to PIV. Perhaps it was odd in the poorly washed past, but today?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>23\nI'm massively impressed you managed to fuck up one of the most well known lines in the book.\nThere's nothing in the Bible against anal sex with a woman, anon.\nThe idea of equating them is a taboo that stems from American law. We have laws that mandated you couldn't discriminate by sex, so it was impossible to outlaw homo buttsex without outlawing hetro buttsex. You ended up with people getting arrested for having loving anal sex with their monogamous wife, very hilarious."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>50\nIf she’s had other men, yes it’s gay"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">english are 30% briton, 35% french, 35% anglosaxon on average\nWtf is this true? Why do they have so many french admixture?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Soon to be 40% West African, 20% Paki-Bengalstan, 5% Cantonese, 10% Slavoid, and only 5% Briton, 5% Saxon and 5% Gallo-Roman"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy are they like this"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat French DNA only corresponds to Northern france and Bretons because of ancient Celtic heritage of the Britain. What's shocking is how bad they got raped by Germanic tribes migrating from the East."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBad model. Iron age Gauls were just very similar genetically to Britons."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nNot at all."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbriton is whg\nfrench is farmer\nanglo saxon is Indo eurppean"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown\nSo much wrong with this gutter figure I don't know where to begin debunking this shit"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>iron age french gauls\nSo english raiders"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nthey are more Briton than Germanic."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>4\nThere's actually evidence of post bronze age gene flow from britian into france. France went from half spaniard to northern france being practically indiscernible from the english"}, {"id": 12, "content": "tfw when\n>100% european\n>5% french and german\n>95% British"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\nit wasnt \"rape\" but a slow and steady economical take over. Germanics settled the fertile land around the waterways (Roman Britons preferred to live in walled towns), this allowed them to control trade. Roman brits actually pushed the Germanics back into the sea at one point. It was ultimately a matter of getting out competed."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nWhat study is this?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhats with this historical revision? There were resistance to the invaders I agree with that and Romano-British even gained some significant victories that slowed down the takeover. But at noone point\n>Roman brits actually pushed the Germanics back into the sea at one point.\nThis was the case."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nProvide any evidence to this reverse migration to the continent? The French around the channel were always similar to the celts in Britain."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>4\nBretons are descended from cornish.\nAnyway the french dna in britain is similar to central france"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nIt doesn't look like north French, qpadm wants a more southern source to successfully model the English. A two way model (Eng IA + CNE) fails."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why are they similar to their literal next door neighbor???\nDamn dude, who the fuck knows? Isn't it also weird that Germans and Czech people look similar????"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>>17\n>>18\nBelgians, North French and English would always be similar to each other due to geographical proximity and having Celtic ancestry with a moderate amount of Germanic admixture"}, {"id": 21, "content": "The strange thing is that the study notes that the genetic change is late and there is no evidence of sexual bias.\nIt notes it was mediated by migration. But i wonder from when?"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nRead the paper."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>2\npoo hands posted this"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nI don't need to read it to state the obvious. Duhh.\n\nIf you check out the paper, the outlying areas all tend to be mountainous where all the hicks/hillbillies lived in, hence muhh \"Celtic\" which gives Americans wet dreams"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\n>Belgians, North French and English would always be similar to each other\n\"similar\"\nin the iron age they were practically the same people"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThey aren't using Northern Gauls as a source for French ancestry."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nHmm. It might have been a combination of huguenots and occitan migrants during the hundred years war if the source is not from north france.\nHowever. It might also be from brittany, brittany gauls in particular were similar to occitans, while those of normandy to Britons and those of nord/grand est to belgians. As brittany gauls mixed with Cornish they might have proxied both Gaulish-occitan IA like ancestry + British islander"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nEven southern france in the iron age was about halfway between a spaniard and a german, iron age spain similarly had a lot of genetic flow from germanics, the Iron Age was not some stagnant point in history. Similarly bronze age germany was much more similar to iron age britian before being shifted towards slavs in the iron age. Oddly late iron age paris was very german"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nwhat study is this from?"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\n\"The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool\" supplement."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>6\n>not at all\n>France is 43 EEF 16 WHG 41 WSH\n>England is 37 EEF 15 WHG 48 WSH\nThat's basically the same people mate."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSimple, French birds are super easy."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>35% anglosaxon\nSome of that \"Anglo-Saxon\" DNA probably comes from the Vikings."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>19\nShould I start spamming threads and making infographics about Czechs being Germanic or Germans actually being Slavic?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nIt's kind of interesting mildly how much modern brits cluster with early bell beaker brits, geographically in a sweet spot post major steppe people migration for clustering like they do. Kind of see the same thing in Greece with modern Greeks clustering with Logkas despite enormous population turnovers in past 2-3 thousand years/ancient Greeks clustering completely differently."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>14\n\"The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool\", by Gretzinger et al"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>4\n>>11\n>>17\nfrankish raiders were also present during early and mid anglo saxon period that most likely plays a part as well ?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe English are the mutts of europe"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nNo. The study uses medieval proxies for the anglosaxon part. Also frank=/=gauls"}, {"id": 40, "content": "gay thread"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\ncope Neville"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "rate 'em, make 'em, post 'em"}, {"id": 2, "content": "This is the real structure of Europe"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">slav russia is the part where they mixed with balts and finns the most\nhuh?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHoly shit kill yourself."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerica if it wasn't colonized as thoroughly."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nI would have added a country for news in new jersey and Pirates in new york."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\naztecs were on their way out, replace them with TARASCO BVLLS"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNot entirely convinced they'd make it honestly. Not convinced the triple alliance was going to disintegrate that fast without Europe."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNow this is autism :D"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nnot \"that fast\" but purepecha had bronze weapons, it was only a matter of time till aztecs fell to them"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nBronze isn't really that transformative at the stage the Purepecha were working it."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nwhy wouldn't they though? it's free real state and europe was overpopulated"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nAnd why would the Aztecs not instantly adopt bronze themselves after the first time they get BTFO by it? That's generally how technological adaptation works.\n\nInteresting thought as well - most copper deposits in LatAm are along the west coast of South America (Chile, Peru). If this tech made its way there without whitey BTFOing everyone first, Incas would have dommed."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\niirc copper deposits in mesoamerica were in purepechan hands givinig them the upper hand against aztec chuds\nalso incans had bronze before mesoamerica did"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>incans had bronze before mesoamerica did\nDidn't know that, time to read some shit. thanks anon"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>12\nDifferent ways of discovery and or contact mostly.\nMaybe the Malays got there first for example.\n>>13\nThat's also fair.\nAlso, Idk if the Inca would have really dominated. Due to eccentric theories of my own, I believe they would scarcely leave their mountains.\nAlthough eventual contact with the Mesos would have spiced things up. Plus we do not even take into account the then-incipient kalinago linguistic expansion (with a lot of genocide probably) the Europeans (araw)awkwardly crashed into.\nMaybe they'd cannibalize the eastern fringe of the decrepit Amazonian garden makers.\nSeems like America was on the cusp of an interesting period when the comedy happened."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>5\nWhy are the Metis on Nova Scotia"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nFrench fishermen had a little liaison, m'kay. I was kind of throwing ideas around at the moment. Maybe I'd remake the map someday.\n>>1 (OP)\nDo my incomplete autism alt-his maps count?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It is Asian American Heritage month. Historically speaking, Asians were treated really bad in America"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Everyone was treated really bad in America when you speak historically."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were given asylum from their own tyrannical governments and yet they never seen to mention that. Curious."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAsians were treated worse than almost everybody else"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey are on average richer than the most Americans"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYou can say that for just about everyone, again."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nsource for this info"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou didn't have to come over in the first place."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Asians are able to work hard and earn up on their own, some whites need to babysit someone and get that good feeling of 'being the morally superior nice guy'."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>6\n>mass lynchings\n>exclusion acts\n>alien land acts\n>mass concentration camps\n>hate crimes\n>marginalization"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Asians had it so bad there were brutally tortured, killed and squashed with hammers and other torture devices by the tallest, most ferocious white Anglos and Nordic Germans, Scandinavians and Irish with the bluest of the blue eyes and blondest of the blonde hair, and the women subject to the absolute most heinous human trafficking in history. They were literally tortured and then squashed like insects by white Americans and forced to be attacked and ripped apart by inner city blacks and Hispanics by the whites, treated like worse than the blackest of black slaves of the Mississippi Delta.\n\nThere absolutely nobody who had it the absolute worst than East Asian Americans of all of entire human history, worse than the Jews, blacks and Native Americans combined x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nThis."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that a real month??"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nHahaha I’m glad this all happened Chang. It was nice to see chinks put in their place"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou personally were never oppressed in America though."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>4\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\nWow that's horrible maybe stay in your shithole gook jungle instead of demanding access to White people?\n>>8\n/thread"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Do Americans take only orientals as asians? So the Russians, Armenians, Arabs, Circassians, Thais etc where are they classified? After all, Asia is a huge continent with a variety of ethnic groups."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nEast Asians = “Asians”\nSouth Asians = “Indians”\nWest Asians = “Arabs”\nOrthodox Asians = “Russians”"}, {"id": 19, "content": "Personally, I'm starting to suffer from a bad case of Asian fatigue."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\n>Wow that's horrible maybe stay in your shithole gook jungle instead of demanding access to White people?\nNoone wants access to \"white people\". Everyone wants access to American lands. Very different things."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nMutts, Aussies and Leafs are closer to Changs than Ayrabs and Poos, which is why they use Asian mostly to mean just yellow people.\n\nOriental can also refer to anything east of Europe too, btw, hence a Turkish Oriental harem, a Persian or Afghan Oriental rug, etc."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>11\n>brutally tortured, killed and squashed with hammers and other torture devices\n>the absolute most heinous human trafficking in history\n>They were literally tortured and then squashed like insects\nbut enough about life in china"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nSo you want to have access to the lands after others went through with the effort to exterminate the locals? Oh it belongs to everyone now right?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nEven during Covid.\n\n>>4\n\nNative Americans got really screwed over time and again. Basically murican government reneging on their signed deals. Even now pipeline deals wrecking native lands.\n\n>>9\n\nMore like Asian folks don't have enough voting numbers to bother with so politicians are nonchalant about them."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWe are still treated reall badly"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>It is [Non-White] American Heritage month. Historically speaking, [Non-Whites] were treated really bad in America."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nI’m very vocal about the nigger problem"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow were Whites treated in Asia?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nremember the six trillions"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nIf you separate Jews from the Whites category, Asians are actually treated better than non-Jewish whites on college admissions"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm hapa and didn't even know. Nor do I care now. This is funny white people shit."}, {"id": 32, "content": "Why do people always downplay anti-Asian racism in America"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nBecause mostly blacks do it so it causes people to figure out the truth about le oppressed colored folk"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\n“Treated better on college admissions” and “get into college” are two different things.\n\nYes a lot of Asians get into college even with academic discrimination working against them. But, that doesn’t legitimize affirmative action. America should be a meritocracy, granting people unfair privileges based on race goes against the spirit of “all men are created equal”. Race should not play a factor in determining your eligibility for college or jobs."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nFunny how “Stop Asian Hate” lost all steam when it came out who was doing the majority of anti asian hate crimes"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>20\n>>25\n>>27\n>>34\n>>35\nOkay then go back to your shithole where your government caters to your race and your culture is dominant. Access to White people is not a human right."}, {"id": 37, "content": "Remember Vincent Chin"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nThe only Anti-Asian racism is from Blacks assaulting them and women not wanting to fuck them which are out of the control of the White majority culture.\n\nThe only legitimate grievance is college admissions but that itself is a result of Jewish privileges they've carved out for themselves >>30 , not because the broad white majority culture is keeping them out.\n\n>>34\n\"We are srightry ress accepted than whites even though that's because of Jewish priverege? It's stirr racism\"\n\nDon't fucking complain to a midwestern white person about it, it's Jews living in Boston, New York and Los Angeles doing this shit."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>34\n>a lot of Asians get into college even with academic discrimination working against them. But, that doesn’t legitimize affirmative action.\nConservative policymaking hinges on, \"this benefits me now, but will it benefit a nigger in the future? God forbid!\"."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nI’m not complaining about “midwestern white people” retard. And it’s not just Jews, it’s white liberal cuckolds with their self hate fetish throwing us under the bus as well. You’re delusional if you don’t think white libtards as a voting bloc are responsible for this shit as well.\n\n>>39\nHow is that in any way a response to what I said? NPC tier random dialogue tree."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nYou're not White"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\n>it’s white liberal cuckolds with their self hate fetish throwing us under the bus as well.\nThat's terrible. You should go back to your gook village in Malaysia where there are no liberal whites to bother you."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>40\nWhites in general are literally the only demographic in America that's even remotely conservative-leaning. There are proportionately more black, Latin American and Asian libtards than white libtards.\n\n(There are more white libtards in absolute terms of course, because this is still a white-majority country, even today.)"}, {"id": 44, "content": "The whole /pol/ \"Westernized Asians are cringe SJWs, native Asians are based and trad\" meme never made sense to me.\n\nThey're literally the same people, standing on different pieces of dirt, but thinking saying and doing the same things. A \"based Asian\" in Asia according to /pol/ standards is totally obsessed with advancing his own people at the expense of everyone else and putting down whites, which is... exactly what the aznidentity crowd advocates.\n\nDoes a heckin based rightwing trad ethnocentric redpilled Asian become a cringe bluepill brainwashed SJW just because he changed his geographical location to the West?"}, {"id": 45, "content": "Male hapas are the most oppressed demographic, change my mind."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nYou'll never see an Asian living in Asia making excuses for niggers doing crimes against Asians or blaming it on whites"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey've been treated fairly well when compared to Native Americans and African American."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>You'll never see an Asian living in Asia ... blaming it on whites\n\nYou literally will. Plenty will either say that Trump/whites was inciting blacks (conservatives are more inclined to do this) or say that actually, whites do it just about as often as blacks (left-wingers do this more, just like in the West). These narratives are common in Mainland China, in Korea, and in Japan as well. The idea that jealous, greedy, lazy Westerners of all races are by nature rapacious and malevolent and easily turned to hating Asians and trying to bring them down is something that plays well across the region just as much as it does among Asian-Americans.\n\nThe only real question is why Westerners especially conservatives seem particularly reluctant to accept this, and to see native Asians if not Overseas Asians as somehow naturally allies or future constituents of theirs. I guess it's part wishful thinking, part yellow fever, and part because of that Dark Enlightenment / IQ nationalism / class mentality, according to which white conservatives assume there is some inevitable fellow-feeling politically between whites and Asians because both are \"civilised\" or whatever, although they tend not to say this out loud."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>32\nAsians are discriminated against in college admissions, but in virtually every other respect, they're entitled to the same gibs as the other colored people, and they also get treated by pretty much everyone as the most mild-mannered least criminal group generally, except for some stuff like espionage and small business tax shit."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nFor everyone you do see blaming black violence on whites, there's more that place the blame where it belongs, on the blacks."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nI think my comment is accurate: yes, some Asians will note that most anti-Asian violence is conspicuously carried out by a particular sub demographic of the Western population, but that doesn't preclude just as many from blaming a supposed anti-Asian tendency in Western society as a whole.\n\nMany Asians seem to have enthusiastically picked up on the StopAsianHate thing as a tool with which to try and make Westerners feel guilty. I've personally experienced Asians try this on as a response to any criticism of Asia or Asians and how Asians treat other people.\n\n>At least we/they aren't killing Asians the way Westerners do!\n\nFor example, I've heard Asians use this argument to justify kicking Westerners out of service sector businesses in Asian countries. \"At least they are violently attacking Westerners, the way Westerners hurt Asians!\"\n\nAlso Asians both in Asia and in the West seem oblivious to the fact that Westerners especially whites are also victimised by violent crime as much if not more than Asians in the West. And let's face it, when whites bitched about getting BLACKED often by our ghetto-dwelling cousins via gun crime, the knockout game etc., most Asians in the West responded by voting Democrat harder and complaining some more about white supremacy."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nAt least they aren't*"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nThe Chinese student I studied with told me his mom slapped the shit out of him when she found out he was part of the BLM thing a while back, she was scared he was going to become a chigger and fuck up his only opportunity for higher education, so I uploaded some pictures of him with white boys in cargo shorts to facebook (which I only use to share things with boomer family members). He would tell his mom I was his friend, she would inevitably stalk my facebook and see him there with some nice white people. I don't think he ever cared about BLM, he was just sort of swept up with the crowd, being from China and not really understanding what it was or any of the details hidden by mass media like George Floyd being a known violent felon who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly. His mother was right to dissuade him as he is now doing quite well.\n\nAsian-Americans though are deep into woke, I'll give you that. However there is a huge gulf between the left in asia and the left in the west."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>28\nfounded dynasties and empires in central and southern asia"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>36\nSure. but only after you started to deport blacks en-masse too. If they stay, I stay. If they're uppity, I unfortunately will also."}, {"id": 56, "content": "Asians are pathetic in their own ways but the whites who salivate after them are even worse. Maybe it’s because whites are under attack everyone so they look for allies (don’t want blacks because they’re…black / don’t want latinos because they’re not white or white enough) and search for solidarity with Asians. They boast on and on about how clever and smart Asians are unlike those niggers and spics. When Asians go to the best colleges and advance to the workplace, it’s not a black or a mexican they’re stealing jobs from, but a white person. When they purchase buildings in cities, it’s not blacks and mexicans they charge extortionate prices for rent (they don’t accept section 8) but whites. When they become managers or ceo’s, you see your workplace turn Asian in real time. I see Asians helping their Asian coworker out but playing dumb when a white person asks for help. They have never cared for whites and only push for policies that help them. Yet they’re worshipped. It’s shameful really."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nI've said it before, but basically every criticism /pol/ types have concerning the small hat people goes twice for the small eye people in terms of their behaviour generally and their attitude towards Westerners, and yet the small eye people get a veritable deluge of excuses and rationalisations as to why it's \"based\" and an example to be followed when they do it. Baffling.\n\nSome people have proposed the explanation that it's a simp thing, that these guys want pussy so bad and think nonwhites will put out more (easily) and so this is what's behind it, but this doesn't quite make sense. After all, if you wanted to keep your dating options as open as possible, you'd be generally anti-racist when it comes to browns, blacks and I suppose Jews as well, but no."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\n>>57\n>When Asians go to the best colleges\nYou are aware Asians are systematically discriminated against for not being as dumb as blacks, just like whites are, right?\nhttps://youtu.be/5hs22GlP4kg?t=700 [Embed]\nThey wouldn't be getting Jewed if they were the Jews, would they?"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\nThat's just a reflection of Jewish power, and not particularly relevant to the point I was making."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nYour point is Asians are outcompeting whites, my point is the dreidel is going up both our asses."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\n>going up both our asses.\nProving my point exactly. Whites deluding themselves into believing that Asians and them have something in common and are both being fucked over by Jews. Asians would work alongside Jews if it meant their kind benefited. Whites have no allies. Why should I care that colleges are fucking chinks over? Less Asians in ivy leagues = less Asian graduates = less changs at my job. Every decent workplace or company that is actually doing something is either Asian majority, led by Asians or on the path to become Asian majority with whites further shut out from the top jobs (unless they have an Asian wife) but I’m supposed to care that Chang didn’t get into Harvard kek"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nWhat I meant though is that they have many obvious and striking similarities\n\nCHUTZPAH: Openly advocate multiculturalism for you, ethnocentrism for me. Koreans are the most incredible for this, but basically they all do it. And they've been at it a long time: just look at how Japanese and Japanese-Americans bitched about US and Commonwealth immigration policies that excluded Japanese and other Asians, meanwhile at the exact same time they were working hard to exclude Westerners from Chosen as well as their new territories Hokkaido and Karafuto from which Russians were deported (and they were plotting the expulsion of the Russians from Manchuria).\n\nESPIONAGE: For every Jonathan Pollard, there are Chinese, Japanese, and Korean equivalents stripping the US and other Western countries of military and commercial secrets, and they do so with the quiet encouragement and connivance of Asian-Americans who loudly scream racism every time they are caught which is at once often and yet not nearly enough.\n\nARROGANCE: East Asians just like Jews will point to any and every one of their own kind as an example which shows the superiority of all their people as a group, and yet every Westerner is a trailer-dwelling piece of trash until he becomes a millionaire or Nobel Prize winning scientist and proves otherwise. Collective pride for me, atomisation for you."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nThere was a funny poll done recently in the US which showed that whites think of Asians as being like themselves, but Asians firmly consider themselves to be \"people of colour.\" Which just goes to show that the /pol/ type Honourary Aryan meme stuff is actually amusingly widespread among whites in general."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\nA decent contingent of whites are actively fucking over both Asians and their fellow whites with the Jews in their position as billionaires."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nWhy should I care that they’re fucking over Asians? Not my problem. Put your own first. Asian problems are not my problem."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>42\n>go to third world\n>get Freedom Bombed(tm) by Sleepy Joe and the Tranny McArmy\n\n>>43\nMinority libtards will vote that way out of slef interest. White libtards are truly unique because they are the only group obsessed with self loathing to the point that it is a political cornerstone. Sriously, maybe you'll see a handful of token \"Latinx\" and Cali Asians out kneeling for ghetto thugs, but white shitlibs are the only ones cucked enough to go out there en masse and get on their knees for niggers.\n\n>>44\nSchizophrenic terminally online word salad\n\n>>49\nWhat gibs do Asians get retard? Affirmative Action doesn't only apply to college, it also applies to quotas for jobs.\n\n>>53\n>The Chinese student I studied with told me his mom slapped the shit out of him when she found out he was part of the BLM thing a while back\n\nAnd I would have slapped him again for being a race traitor."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\nSo you would side with a white billionaire who is actively fucking you in the ass over a qt azn chinkfu college dropout?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\nNot my problem. Not you problem either if you go back to Cambodia."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>63\n>source: my ass\n\nPoC is no longer even a relevant term retard. They changed it to BIPOC(tm) because Latinos and Asians started doing too well in \"White supremacist\" America."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>63\n>a funny poll done recently\n\nOh? Let's see it."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\n>over a qt azn chinkfu college dropout?\nWhy does it always boil down to fucking bugs with you fags? I have noticed at work the only whites who are promoted are the ones married to bugs. A gay male at my last job with an asian boyfriend was promoted before the more capable white workers who are married to white women. White guys will throw their own under the bus and become the next MLK for Asians because they found some chink attractive. Enjoy raising kids who don’t resemble you."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>66\n>What gibs do Asians get retard? Affirmative Action doesn't only apply to college, it also applies to quotas for jobs.\n\nWhat makes you assume Asians are handicapped in every aspect of society by affirmative action? For one, I know that they enjoy more access to federal-backed small business loans than whites."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>4\nIncorrect. The objective hierarchy of racial oppression in the United States (most oppressed to least oppressed) is as follows:\n\n>Blacks\n>Native Americans\n>Asians\n>Mestizo\n>Jews\n>Castizo\n>White Ethnic (e.g. Irish, Italian)\n>WASP"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>70\nhttps://staatus-index.s3.amazonaws.com/2023/STAATUS_Index_2023.pdf"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>61\nI hate how wilfully dishonest Asians usually are about this shit too. They will act like the fact that a few Chongs fall victim to violent crime in the West is a systemic issue, ignoring that there are literally tens of millions of the buggers in the West and so statistically it's bound to happen especially when the overall violent crime rate is so much higher than in Asia.\n\nThey will also act like a few tens of thousands of English teachers wasting their youth and a handful of soldiers getting drunk and rowdy on the weekend over there in Asia for just a few years before coming home represents some kind of massive neocolonial privilege."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nWhite women are roasties who think they deserve better than they do. As soon as white women improve I'll stop having yellow fever."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>come to america\n>know americans are racist\n>still come anyway\n>complain about racism\n\nI know if a white person went to your dog eating shithole country they would experience racism so quit being a faggot."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nt. Peter Rodger"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>78\n>fat old white guy fucking prime yellow pussy\nyeah that isn't discouraging me\nonly i wouldn't be an absentee father so my son wouldn't go crazy"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok but china is still trash"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>76\nThe Asian tradwife meme is unironically rooted in GI Vietnam fantasies and the legacy of Orientalist Victorian East End stage plays like Madame Butterfly. Yellow fever fags are literally getting psyoped by entertainment from almost one and a half centuries ago at this point. Asian women have smartphones. They get divorces. They cheat. They get abortions."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>72\nDiscrimination in educational and job opportunities are literally the two biggest ways you can marginalize a group. Add on top of the the covering up of violent hate crimes, looting, and arson committed against us by the black community- and you have all the elements nesecary for a pre-genocidal phase against Asian Americans.\n\nI will not go quietly into that good night, I assure you. I will not be sacrificed on the alter of white guilt."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nAsians suffer less crime, including violent crime, than any other group in America. /pol/chuds say StopAsianHate is real but niggers are to blame, leftoids say whitey is doing it. The reality is that nobody is doing it and that you fell for a media hoax. The whole thing is fabricated hysteria."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>82\nWhat do blacks have to do with you taking white jobs and pushing whites out of the workplace?"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>74\n>67% of Asian Americans completely agree that Asian Americans are people of color, while only 47% of white Americans completely agree."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>62\n>CHUTZPAH: Openly advocate multiculturalism for you, ethnocentrism for me. Koreans are the most incredible for this, but basically they all do it. And they've been at it a long time: just look at how Japanese and Japanese-Americans bitched about US and Commonwealth immigration policies that excluded Japanese and other Asians, meanwhile at the exact same time they were working hard to exclude Westerners from Chosen as well as their new territories Hokkaido and Karafuto from which Russians were deported (and they were plotting the expulsion of the Russians from Manchuria).\n\nThe Chinese are like this too, they squeezed the Westerners out of Shanghai after the war despite everything they'd done to develop business trade and industry in China because they did a heckin colonialism, but ask them about Chang immigration to America and it's all Amelika so lacist, why you no let Chinaman into America faster and more."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are India Indians included when India isn't really part of Asia, but West Asians such as Middle Easterners are excluded?"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>american history\nHerbs grown in all of the fields."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\nAFAIK, natives of the Near East are not considered Asian for census purposes (yet). There was a campaign that they should actually but I don't know if it went anywhere."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>83\nSo you entire argument is, \"Yes it happens, but it's not *that* often, so just ignore it chud!\"\n\n>>84\nA) America should be a meritocracy\nB) The same policy pushes whites out of jobs as well so you should be against it too"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\n>So you entire argument is, \"Yes it happens, but it's not *that* often, so just ignore it chud!\"\n\nNo country anywhere is going to be 100% crime free. Not even Nipland has achieved this, and since there are fucking hordes of you guys in the West now, statistically some of you are going to get BLACKED sometimes along with everyone else. You know where the door is."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\nPart of my grandfather's family was from what is now considered Ukraine.\nMy grandfather looked Iranian, while his brother had the more central Asian Turk look."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>8\n/thread\n>>16\nThis\n>>20\n>I just want access to the wealth white people have generated.\nYeah, we know. Now fuck off."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>90\n>The same policy pushes whites out of jobs as well so you should be against it too\nIt is ASIANS pushing out whites from these jobs. There are no blacks or mexicans because they’re too retarded to get in. Asians get the top job and begin an Asian only hiring process. The whites who were lucky enough to get in are subject to the cold shoulder in order to force them out and replace them with more Asians. Learn to fight your own battles Chang. We will not fight for you."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>83\nI don't even believe Asians are sincerely worried about violent crime. If they were, they'd be big NRA supporters, they'd on balance support police unions along with Back the Blue and all that stuff, and vote GOP every election. This is what people who are actually frightened by rising violent crime do. They also wouldn't do shit like make a beeline for globohomo hubs of diversity like NY and LA every time and open up corner stores in nigger neighborhoods.\n\nReally Asians are just attention whores looking for sympathy, literally the women of races."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>61\n>Asians would work alongside Jews if it meant their kind benefited\n\nRemember when Asians raised their voiced politically against affirmative action and quotas starting to seriously push whites out of public sector jobs in the 1970s and 1980s? Me neither."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>17\nIt used to refer exclusively to East Asians, but nowadays, it is quickly becoming synonymous with Indian due to immigration from India."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>91\nThat is no wan an argument of why crime should be handwaved away.\n\n>>94\nYou don't understand how affirmative action works. If an Asian does push you out of a job they are overqualified for the position.\n\n>>96\nThey do rally against Affirmative Action"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>97\nThis is probably more of a Canadian phenomenon. Indians are immigrating to the US too, but I'm pretty sure Asian still means East Asian in American parlance. Every time the issue comes up on this site it turns into a big argument between Britons and Americans over who's really Asian, and whether to call South Asians Asian is actually some liberal conspiracy on the part of the media in Britain to blame Japs and Chinamen for Muslim grooming gangs or whatever."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>98\nThere's a difference between, crime is a problem, and there is a big conspiracy by the West to use the black man to attack the yellow man etc."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>95\nSouth Koreans are more into guns.\nThere's a South Korean religion where AR-15s are important to them.\nThey also own gun factories."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nThere is a big conspiracy by the US media and liberal DA's to cover up/drop charges committed by blacks against Asians.\n\nIt's not ok and deserves to be talked about."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>4\nfucking retard"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nHave sex."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>104\nlol get destroyed bitch"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>81\nMiss Saigon is kino desu senpai.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lTV-da5Kw [Embed]"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>unknown\n>>104\nWhy are you posting these off topic walls of text as if they are in any way a response to what I've said?\n\nWhy do you think being subject to violent hate crimes at the hands of blacks should be part and parcel to the Asian American experince?"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>99\nIt hasn't made its way into everyday use yet, but the shift is noticeable in American politics and media."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>90\nAnd the entire argument OP made is that Asians had it the worst of all which is certainly not the case."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>106\n>0:30\n\nMy kind of play. Boomers have excellent taste in entertainment."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>109\nDepends on what angle you look at it from.\n\nIn some cases white people have it the worse (constant hate from the media), in some ways Asians have it the worst (discrimination in jobs and education)\n\nBut overall blacks have it the best."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>111\n>But overall blacks have it the best.\n\nExcept, y'know, actually living in poverty and experiencing violent crime. The fact that other blacks are doing it doesn't mean it isn't a bad time."}, {"id": 113, "content": "This board is just pol. Sad, seems like every board is overrun these days."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>103\nthey deserved it"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nimagine being a black in America.\n\nYou are constantly glorified. You have a special month and multiple federal holidays just catering to you. The media praises you and spotlights you and gives you more positions per capita than any other race. You commit violent hate crimes against other minority groups like Asians and it’s swept under the rug. You get easier access to higher education and good jobs through affirmative action. Countless government schemes and programs exist specifically for use by you and you alone. Corporations pour billions into special programs and incentives for you and have special programs just to hire you. You can rape, loot, burn down immigrant run stores and run amock and liberal DA’s will not prosecute you because it would be politically disadvantageous. You can be openly racist and no one will say anything. You control a disproportionate amount of political power in the US through black politicians and the fact that BOTH parties bend over backwards to prove how not racist they are. In every aspect of society you are coddled and glorified.\n\nYet, despite all this you act like you are oppressed and the US treats you unfairly because there is literally no force in the universe greater than Afro-Narcisssim."}, {"id": 116, "content": "Asians weren't even allowed to provide witness testimony in courts because we were categorized the same way as Black people and Native Americans"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>10\n>mass lynchings\nlol what a meme. far more italians were lynched\n>exclusion acts\naccess to whites is not a human right\n>alien land acts\nnever once were asians singled out. also, the majority of the laws were passed in states with few asian immigrants and after the exclusion act\n>mass concentration camps\nthe horror in being put in government funded communities for a few years in the name of national security\n>hate crimes\ncommitted by blacks? ya, its horrible\n>marginalization\nthey are the wealthiest and most educated demographic in the nation"}, {"id": 118, "content": "more wopmuts lynched than niggers"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>53\n>>53\nqualifier: Asian-Americans back in the 80s were all hardcore Republican-voting McCarthyites. wonder what happened since then?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>119\nRepubs didn’t allow more Asian immigration so they started voting Dem. They always vote for whichever party promises to open the floodgates to hordes of chinks. That and trying to show they were good non commie chinks unlike those evil commies back home."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAgreed, if I were Asian I would leave that awful place!"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>119\nFirst generation Asians are republican because they know how evil leftists are, unfortunately they all moved to California and NYC so their kids got ZOGed by globohomo"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>33\nwhites too"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>119\nyou also know that Muslim-Americans were staunch Republicans until 2001, right?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>73\n\n>Native Americans\n>Hispanics\n>Polish/Russian/Ukrainian\n>Irish\n>Italians\n>Blacks\n>Germans\n>WASP\n>[spacer]\n>[spacer]\n>[spacer]\n>Jews\n\nFixed"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>117\nExclusion is oppression if it leads to material suffering, and almost everything mention is still super bad.\nyou also know nothing about history beside ahistorical narratives. Also, why are you framing this as a defense of white people? No one is suggesting putting whites on trial."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nBlacks above Hispanics\ndid you forget slavery, black codes, jim crow?"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>124\na lot of people would be republican if they just drop the racism"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>124\nbtw Trump polled 30% of the Muslim-American vote. while they are still largely Democrat he did better than any Republican candidate since Bush's first run in 2000."}, {"id": 130, "content": "ITT: A bunch of anons who caught their gf in bed with a chink"}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nthat would never happen."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Morning anons, I'm currently doing a research on Japan's Meiji Era government, legal codes, international politics and its militarism, if you could recommend me a few trustworthy sources to begin, I would really appreciate that"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Peshine_Smith"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Making of Modern Japan."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Taishō Otome Otogibanashi"}, {"id": 5, "content": "me"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "It was just socioeconomic factors"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Literally fabricated lies. There's 0 REAL evidence for any attrocities by the german forces"}, {"id": 3, "content": "the fact that this madlad had a doctorate in Political Science is simply surreal\nthe guy was literate and could be argumentative, and somehow this translated into him leading a brigade of rapists and murderers, by sheer terror factor, into committing atrocities upon atrocities\nthis is the ultimate argument against the \"educated people good\" opinion, people with doctorates are just as self-serving as people without, if not even more because their voice matters more in a Scholacracy"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Political Science\n>A rapist and a murderer\nWhat exactly is surprising here?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>A rapist and a murderer\n\ni think you mean a participator of society and the economy"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMarxbro's, what kind of class warfare was he fighting?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThe kind where he puts a literal bomb in a literal class, as warfare."}, {"id": 8, "content": "He was a WW1 vet, it was very chivalrous, avoiding civilians or whatever except for all of age boys who were drafted into hell and worshipped the devil and probably dies as virgins."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Round 3 is up. What do we think of Thomas Dalton's reply?\nhttps://historyspeaks.substack.com/p/thomas-dalton-replies-to-history\nAs a primer, here is the evidence presented by HistorySpeaks for the centralized industrial genocide of ~6 million jews (while admitting this figure is symbolic with no real basis), mainly in gas chambers using a delousing agent a diesel engine exhaust:\nEinsatzgruppen\n>Stahlecker Report\n>Jaeger Report\n>Mentions the OSRs (no quotes)\n>Kube-Lohse (PS-3428)\n>Says adding up paper evidence suggests 2M killed (no citation)\nAR Camps + Chelmno\n>Goebbels diary (27 Mar 1942)\n>Himmler 363,211 document (NO-1128)\n>Stroop Report\n>Chelmno: 16 Jun 1943 letter\n>Archaeology: Kola Study\nAuschwitz\n>Kramer diary\n>Pressac Documents\n>Vergasungskeller document\n>Zyklon induction holes supposedly found in ruins\nFinal Solution Policy\n>Goebbels diary (12 Dec 1941)\n>Hans Frank diary (12 Dec 1941)\n>Robert Ley Speech (20 May 1942)\n>Hans Frank diary (24 Aug 1942)\n>Horthy and Hitler (17 Apr 1943)\n>Himmler's Posen Speech (6 Oct 1943)\n>Goebbels diary (14 Mar 1945)\n>SS trial of Taubner (26 Oct 1942) [from the book The Good Old Days]\n\"Voluntary\" Confessions\n>Eichmann Sassen tapes\n>Albert Speer 1971 letter-The Mufti's memoirs"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">(((debate))),\nI know in my heart of hearts that the holocaust didn't happen,"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy the fixation with gas chambers? I thought it was increasingly being accepted that gas chambers weren’t put into service until late in the holocaust and that they played a (relatively) minor role, and that most victims were shot in forests and wherever else it was convenient."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThe story is ~2.5-3.0 million died in gas chambers.\nAuschwitz ~ 1.1 million\nTreblinka ~ 800.000\nBelzec ~ 500.000\nSobibor ~ 200,000\nThen a few hundred thousand more split between Majdanek and Chelmno (depending on who you ask)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI thought those numbers had been walked back. Like haven’t some of the memorial plaques even been replaced with ones with smaller numbers."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nYou're likely thinking of the plaque at Auschwitz which changed from 4 million to 1 million in the 1990s. However this did not affect the jewish death total because the overwhelming majority of the -3 million revision were goyim. Nor did it affect the other claims."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nI think it is useful for the NPC-type that browses blue boards to be exposed to the closest thing to an honest debate I've seen in a while."}, {"id": 8, "content": "bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Phineas P. Gage (1823–1860) was an American railroad construction foreman remembered for his improbable survival of an accident in which a large iron rod was driven completely through his head, destroying much of his brain's left frontal lobe, and for that injury's reported effects on his personality and behavior over the remaining 12 years of his life—effects sufficiently profound that friends saw him (for a time at least) as \"no longer Gage\"\n\n>On September 13, 1848, Gage was directing a work gang blasting rock while preparing the roadbed for the Rutland & Burlington Railroad south of the village of Cavendish, Vermont. Setting a blast entailed boring a hole deep into an outcrop of rock; adding blasting powder and a fuse; then using the tamping iron to pack (\"tamp\") sand, clay, or other inert material into the hole above the powder in order to contain the blast's energy and direct it into surrounding rock.\n\n>As Gage was doing this around 4:30 p.m., his attention was attracted by his men working behind him. Looking over his right shoulder, and inadvertently bringing his head into line with the blast hole and tamping iron, Gage opened his mouth to speak; in that same instant the tamping iron sparked against the rock and (possibly because the sand had been omitted) the powder exploded. Rocketed from the hole, the tamping iron—1+1⁄4 inches (3.2 cm) in diameter, three feet seven inches (1.1 m) long, and weighing 13+1⁄4 pounds (6.0 kg)—entered the left side of Gage's face in an upward direction, just forward of the angle of the lower jaw. Continuing upward outside the upper jaw and possibly fracturing the cheekbone, it passed behind the left eye, through the left side of the brain, then completely out the top of the skull through the frontal bone."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">The end which entered [Gage's cheek] first is pointed; the taper being [eleven inches (28 cm) long, ending in a 1⁄4-inch (6 mm) point]circumstances to which the patient perhaps owes his life. The iron is unlike any other, and was made by a neighbouring blacksmith to please the fancy of the owner.\n\n>The tamping iron landed point-first some 80 feet (25 m) away, \"smeared with blood and brain\".\n\n>Gage was thrown onto his back and gave some brief convulsions of the arms and legs, but spoke within a few minutes, walked with little assistance, and sat upright in an oxcart for the 3⁄4-mile (1.2 km) ride to his lodgings in town. (A possibly apocryphal contemporary newspaper report claimed that Gage, while en route, made an entry in his time-book – the record of his crew's hours and wages.) About 30 minutes after the accident, physician Edward H. Williams found Gage sitting in a chair outside the hotel and was greeted with \"one of the great understatements of medical history\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">\"When I drove up he said, \"Doctor, here is business enough for you.\" I first noticed the wound upon the head before I alighted from my carriage, the pulsations of the brain being very distinct. The top of the head appeared somewhat like an inverted funnel, as if some wedge-shaped body had passed from below upward. Mr. Gage, during the time I was examining this wound, was relating the manner in which he was injured to the bystanders. I did not believe Mr. Gage's statement at that time, but thought he was deceived. Mr. Gage persisted in saying that the bar went through his head. Mr. G. got up and vomited; the effort of vomiting pressed out about half a teacupful of the brain [through the exit hole at the top of the skull], which fell upon the floor.\" - Edward H Williams\n\n>Harlow took charge of the case around 6 p.m.:\n\n>\"You will excuse me for remarking here, that the picture presented was, to one unaccustomed to military surgery, truly terrific; but the patient bore his sufferings with the most heroic firmness. He recognized me at once, and said he hoped he was not much hurt. He seemed to be perfectly conscious, but was getting exhausted from the hemorrhage. His person, and the bed on which he was laid, were literally one gore of blood.\"\n\n>Gage was also swallowing blood, which he regurgitated every 15 or 20 minutes."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">With Williams' assistance Harlow shaved the scalp around the region of the tamping iron's exit, then removed coagulated blood, small bone fragments, and \"an ounce or more\" of protruding brain. After probing for foreign bodies and replacing two large detached pieces of bone, Harlow closed the wound with adhesive straps, leaving it partially open for drainage; the entrance wound in the cheek was bandaged only loosely, for the same reason. A wet compress was applied, then a nightcap, then further bandaging to secure these dressings. Harlow also dressed Gage's hands and forearms (which along with his face had been deeply burned) and ordered that Gage's head be kept elevated."}, {"id": 5, "content": "Bump"}, {"id": 6, "content": "ok?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGnarly"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nHe turns into psychopath because of the injury."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nThen clearly the US government should do this to experimental test subjects and create an army of psychopathic killers. I mean that seriously too. Create a Dirlewanger brigade to unleash on humanity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is beauty objective or subjective?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmen have no intellectual nor physical standards for women."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>t.ranny"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's objective, since desire for beauty and ability to recognise it are innate to all people and does not have to be taught explicitly to be recognised.\nIt's a virtue that humans are attuned to as it benefited them evolutionarily and signifies desirable qualities."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's mostly objective\n>dark masculine, light = feminine\nwith some cultural subjectiveness\n>ass > boobs or boobs > ass"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>T. has never seen East Africans"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGotta say its a mixed bag, some can be 10/10 to others but 6/10 to some but if you really look that ugly everyone can agree you are 0/10"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMixed bag. That woman with braids in the back has many good features. It's really a shame how many young women with pretty faces in the U.S have faces frozen in fat."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Objectively subjective"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's objective. The things that turn on males and females are evolutionarily beneficial for both. Men like big tits, big butts, symmetric faces, wide hips. Women like muscles, height, social status."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>dark masculine, light = feminine\ngo outside dude, holy shit"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAt least post an attractive black girl too so we can compare beauty standards."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>unknown\nau contraire\n\nt.white guy who fucks black women\nmost of them are hideous but the east african ones can be really pretty depending on their facial structure, unfortunately most nigs have potato bulb noses and look like literal subhumans"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhite women are objectively the most attractive in general, but if you don't find black women attractive you're either a faggot or a liar, I just don't believe you"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's subjective. Chinese people deformed their feet, japanese blackened their teeth, africans elongated their necks, etc."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>unknown\nThey may be mixed, but they are black. You said black. You should have said \"pure sub-saharan African.\" Idiot."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's objective in the sense that there is an empiric regularity in what people regard beautiful."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSnow looks better than dirt, no Im not talking about skin color, snow literally looks better than dirt to us"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>6\nyes, i have seen half-arab dark mulattoes with white / caucasian features"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>Horn African\nhow much caucasian dna does this \"black\" ethiopian highlander woman have, 55% MENA-like plus 45% Black-like? what do you think, mon ami?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe woman in this webm is quite beautiful methinks"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>They may be MIXED, but they are BLACK\nlol\nlmao even"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>13\ndid i say east african women are ugly? no. however the video you were replying to was off a black woman who is 80-100% SSA. you cannot use 40-50% eurasian horners as some sort of rebuttal against her (and most black women) being ugly. east african women look better because they’re mixed."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>16\nthe 1 drop rule period is over. it’s OK to be biracial."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nwhats interesting to note is that these African tribesmen have impeccable dental health with wide palates, straight teeth that are pearly white. clearly industrialized diet has fucked maxillofacial development"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nWhat study is this from?"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>African tribesmen\nAsian Andamese"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nThat is a sentinelese islander."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>21\n>>24\nThese are andamanese"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\n>>24\nMaybe in your country, Paco."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>19\nHalf azd?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\n56%"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>19\n>>unknown\nHow about Kenyans? They can be dark and feminine."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nYour county is like 20% spic and 30% chink."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nbecause of eurasian admixture…not all kenyans have substantial eurasian admixture but i guarantee the ones you’re attracted to do. black women just aren’t attractive. they’re good at others things though."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBeauty is subjective.\nA lot of criteria for beauty are essentially based on genetic fitness, but even that is mostly subjective as there's a clear genetic proximity bias in the evaluation of fitness."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\n>How about Kenyans?\nmost range from 0% to 20% eurasian"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObjective. In humans it's relates to sociability. Easier to tell emotions on a face with good contrast between skin and shadows.\nWide eyebrows are god tier."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>14\nBuilt for small white racist cock"}, {"id": 40, "content": "Subjective, of course."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>12\n>>12\n\nThe irony of it is you posted what you believe is a beautiful black girl, because she shares similar facial structure and traits to European white women."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\n>the black woman is actually white because... her facial structure\nholy shit the absolute state of this board"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nExhibit A:"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>42\nHe is likely referring to the fact she deviates quite a bit from the average black (on top of the fact she seems to be a black american i.e. has European admixture). Pic rel is an example of what the averages look like in various regions."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>40\nnever understood why girls who look like this in this day and age even bother to work. online simps would throw money at them for doing basic shit like playing pokemon on stream"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nNever said she was white retard. Just that her facial structure is similar to the majority of white women. She is the exception, not the rule."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSubjective. But doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The subjective aspect is preference. And even at that, many people will just happen to agree on some aspects because of a common human nature, but individual natures' differences will lead to differences in further opinion."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>41\nCheekbones show its a black"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>3\nyou are a generic orbtier who provide for the first woman talking to him, no matter how retarded or evil she is\nseethe more simp."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>5\nWhy do women overwhelmingly prefer white men then?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>45\n>work\n>pretending to do things for a tiktok bit\n100% chance this bitch has an onlyfans"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThings like golden ratio, the rules of composition and balance of proportions proves that an \"objective\" beauty exists in the brain, there are small variations but there are things that as long as human biology doesn't change they will keep finding attractive in 1000 years.\nGreek and Roman statues prove this."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>21\nthey look like models wtf"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>21\n>>53\nthose people are unironically some of the healthiest and smartest people on the planet, many tribal primitive people, they're fascinating\nwe are so far removed from them its almost like observing some alien race, seems idyllic, though im sure they have plenty of their own problems and such"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>12\n> Post attractive black girl\n>it's a negress whose obviously part white\nEvery time."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nour ancestors were healthy like they are, i think i would be happier with my existence if i didnt live the modern comfortable life of wageslavery and drudgery"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>4\n>the concept of beauty is confined to physical beauty\nAbsolute retard-tier take. Explain to me the evolutionary advantage of finding a certain machine beautifully designed or a painting of a barren but striking landscape."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>21\n>>25\n>>53\n>>54\n>>56\nI hate americans"}, {"id": 59, "content": "Beauty is truth. It stems from the perfection of the cosmos and the fact that everything in it seems to perfectly suit its context. The only thing in it that seems out-of-place at all is man. The more unnatural and perverse the man, the uglier he will be."}, {"id": 60, "content": "it's subjective"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndefine beauty faggot shill"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>55\nOkay, how about this one? This webm always makes my pp big"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliterally both"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlack women are objectively attractive"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>21\nsource?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If ANE were supposed to be massive giants, why are Indians so small"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're not their descendants"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is it possible for Europeans to have such low ANE % when they have such high PIE %, which had ~70% ANE?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nHe probably meant indians (america)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI'm aware"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSouthern Amerindians with the most ANE are the largest Amerindians."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not sure ANE is that big. PC Steppe and adjacent populations (Kumsay, Steppe Maikop) were though.\n>>3\nBecause Yamnaya weren't 70% ANE."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>Because Yamnaya weren't 70% ANE.\nSintashta were though?\nI thought Yamnaya and Sintashta were very close racially."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nPIE were less than that. EHGs were around 70%."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was tens of thousands of years ago. People change height over time to match their material conditions. Or are you the type of retard who studying HISTORY of all things believes thibgs don't change.\n>>2\nCope."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nYamnaya was almost 50% ANE. Sintashta gets all of its ANE from its 70% Yamnaya ancestry, so was probably 35% ANE."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nNeither are 70% ANE. Sintashta even less because it has surplus farmer admixture."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>8\nSintasha was even less ane than yamnaya\n>>6\nIts interesting\nPlains north Indians and Southern indians from the argentinian plains were the talest. But everyone in between was shorter. Amerindians have clear geographical trait selection, for instance brazilian and mexican natives were generally shorter headed, with flatter and wider noses and bigger eyes, clear adaptation to heat and humidity, while the opposite was the case for natives in north america"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>>1 (OP)\nBtw the tuniit (inuit name for the dorset people) were described as giants by them before they got wiped out. So if they stayed hunter gatherers (same for the HG patagones) I think the american lifestyle outside their preferred environment just made them smaller."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nSome of it is adaptation. Some types like this one seem to have Australoid traits http://humanphenotypes.net/LagoaSanta.html\nThese are not the shortest ones, Mexicans are shorter."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nTo be fair anon ANE is from 22 000 bc. It'd be silly they allstayed the same after moving into new environments."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>melanesian traits.\nNo evidence apart from lookism. There are evidences of slight austronesian contact but nothing big enough to affect phenotype. (Especially because the people doing the contact would be the roughly 50/50 polynesians and not say, fijians)"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nAfaik there is some australomelanesian genetic contact with certain specific brazilian tribes. Probably brought by polynesians, but thats not the case for mexicans. Who are indeed quite short headed, rather soft featured and wide nosed compared to for instance patagonians\nWhich means amerindians obviously experienced geographic trait selection"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nTheres also some linguistic evidence for contact IIRC but apart from that and the sweetpotatoe the evidence is scarce. Suggesting sporadic rather than truly sustained contact. Plus no amount of polynesian introgression would leave one looking like a melanesian because genetically they're what we'd call \"blasians\" or \"Melanasians\" technically"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYes, i don't care much about that desu, i was mostly pointing the case of the soft featured short headed types compared to the more robust and longer headed types, despite both being more or less from a identical migratory wave with the same origin"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>>18\nThere is australoid ancestry and then there is australoid appearance. They don't have a one to one overlap. The ancestry is probably not from polynesians because its found deeper in South America than the coast."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nCrazy what was going on in the americas. It is like someone decided to extend their prehistory because it was cool. For example, fully domesticated corn is originally from colombia or the amazon.\nAnd theamericas had 3 (at least) hotspots for crop domestication instead of just the ME and a few retards tagging along."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nConvergent evolution probably.\nHowever, my point about polynesian contact not being enough to matter was mostly to rebuff the implication that amerindians werent \"pure\" because of foreign geneflows at some point."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>3\nThey dont. ANE is not a uniform population and their variation in larger than that of modern Europeans.\nThe two fringes of the ANE cluster are as different from eachother as Euros and MENA.\n>>6\nSelection played a greater factor.\n>>12\n>>11\n>>8\n>>11\nSintashta had WSHG which had way more ANE than Yamnaya."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\n>>21\nThe weirdest part is that the melanesian ancestry is dated to 10.000 BP in some studies, which is very old archeologicaly.\n\nMakes one wonder how the actual fuck did it arrived?\nThe affinity however appears to be restrictive to brazilian amerindians and those in the Pacific coast.\nMexican and andean ones are free of such signal"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\n>Sintashta had WSHG which had way more ANE than Yamnaya.\nIt still doesn't get them to higher ANE than Yamnaya and is in like 3 samples that are clear outliers from the main Sintashta cluster."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>xavante\nCurious. Those are the ones precisely noted to manifest australoid triats"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\n>Anonymous 05/04/23(Thu)15:00:13 No.14\nThey wuz Lemurian Abo Jomon drifters"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\n>Sintashta had WSHG which had way more ANE than Yamnaya.\nThat makes sense why Pakis have such high ANE even though they have low PIE then"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>29\nThey have high ANE because Iran_N/CHG is like 20% ANE."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>25\nI guess one could in theory makes an assumption the geneflow started in voastal ecuador and the start trying to reconstruct a path from there. (Like that one guy who argues polynesians reached japan and then california because of the taro roots and chumash sailing tech, also known of a wacky theory about the haida having some polynesian in them)\nAlso fuck I was wrong. There IS a little melanesian ancestry."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nAlso 10, 000 BP how the fuck.\nUnless there are sas of yet undiscovered papuan natufians I have no idea how that could've happened in 8 000 bc."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nWhat is rare is how old and dispersed the ancestry appears to be, if its correctly from 8000-10.000 BC as inferred it definitely predates the neolithic. Makes one wonder how the fuck could they sail the pacific in neolithic tech?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nEh pakis might show a \"fake signal\" in g25 despite having some, as theya re east eurasian-west eurasian mixes they might show extra affinity misaccounted in the calculator. Best measiring would be F4 statistics whic account for actual allele sharing"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\n>>34\nForgot pic"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\nIf the polynesians did it without much metal work I don't find it impossible (theres legends of long vanished pygmy negrito peoples all over the islands but no actual evidence) but still improbable. Maybe some sort of papuan equivalent to the horton plains culture or the natufians."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nThe negrito thing is likely true, modern southesst asians come from a relatively recent austronesian expansion out of taiwan. All chinky east asians likely formed on central china Ice age, and migrated southwards replacing all Australian and negrito-like populations recently.\nBut polynesians in particular derive their sailing tradition from austronesians//their east asian part. So its improbable. the other chance is some australian sailing peoples arriving early, but is weird because oceanians were not particulary notorious sailors in any meaning.\nMight be just poorly dated as well"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>24\n>The two fringes of the ANE cluster are as different from eachother as Euros and MENA.\nActually, more."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>16\n>>18\n>>35\nNew ANE study just came out fyi"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nANE weren't particularly tall, WHG were."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>6\nOnly the very southernmost Amerindians residing in the southern tip of Patagonia. Every other native in South America were pretty small, though not as short as Mesoamericans who were manlets."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>24\n>Sintashta had WSHG which had way more ANE than Yamnaya.\nLol. They barely had any Tyumen. You are thinking out outliers.\n\nTarget: RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\nDistance: 2.0255% / 0.02025470\n65.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n32.2 POL_Globular_Amphora\n2.2 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nTarget: RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\nDistance: 1.9704% / 0.01970417\n66.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n31.2 POL_Globular_Amphora\n1.6 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n1.2 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>23\nMy emphasis is not on purity or lack thereof. Rather that there is some australoid presence aside from selection, and I did not disagree with the presence of the latter, only with the sole presence of the latter."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>7\n>>9\n>>10\n>>11\n>>12\n>>13\n>>14\n>>15\n>>16\n>>29\n>>30\n>>40\n>>43\nEuropeans have the highest ANE admixture. Anything that puts Amerindians at 42% puts Europeans at twice that. Tajiks do not have a lot of ANE. Their ANE is from steppe and they have less steppe than Europeans. Simple as. (Some) Maori are closer to ANE than anyone because they (some) are mostly European with Polynesian which plots them in between Europeans and Polynesians, which is where ANE plots, however they share basically no DNA with ANE. Same for Indians. They share basically nothing with ANE but as they are between europeans and asians they plot not close to ANE but on the same “latitude”.\nANE was 80% West Eurasian and 20% super-archaic Salkhit. We also can literally see what ANE looked like, they looked European as the Tarim mummies have proven and they share facial SNPs with Europeans and Jomon, their faces literally did not look Amerind, their genotype is exclusively European and Jomon.\nYou may now cope and seethe. Europeans are the most like ANE. Have well over 60% Archaic European which is the primary component of ANE, Europeans have more Salkhit than Amerinds which basically settles it forever. Europeans are in fact the only people to have a substantial Salkhit input.\nIt’s over for mutts."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>37\nEarly Australasians were deep water fishers.\n\nhttps://phys.org/news/2011-11-prehistoric-mastered-deep-sea-fishing.html\n\nToday they may not seem as impressive because of their massive brain size shrinkage but their ancestors could have been different."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the majority of their ancestry comes from people who were similar to pic related."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\nEuropeans being more like ANE =/= Europeans having more ANE. Half of European ancestry in the north and more than half in the south is from farmers with close to no ANE ancestry. Yamnaya were about 50% ANE, so Europeans in the north can be 25% ANE, and in the Baltics more than that, and in the south less than that."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nBrown. Europeans are 40% ANE."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>48\n>>44\nah it's this schizo again.\nWhere are Iran_N getting their R2 if they have no ANE?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>49\nThey have 10-15%. No more."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nDo the math, and show how that is true."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>50\nLazaridis estimated over 20%."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>44\nI don't think you even know what Salkhit is. Salkhit is an Eastern Eurasian."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n15% is a lot if they are predominately Iran_N. Plus their Sintashta ancestry."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nWhere? It's likely outdated.\n>>51\nWHG is 45% ANE. WSH is 50% EHG, 50% CHG. EHG is 75% ANE, 25% WHG. CHG is 30% ANE.\nIt's 7% from WHG and 30% from WSH. So about 38%. Cope and dilate.\n>>53\nIt's literally closer to Africans than to East Eurasians.\n>>54\nIt's 8% from Sintashta and 12% from Iran_N, lol."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWow what a dogshit model. If thats the update then I am fine with the outdated models."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>44\nThere is no source that places anyone as 84% ANE today."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nNeither there's an Amerindian with 42% ANE. Do you know how p-values and distances work?\n>>56\nCope, retard. It absolutely corresponds with calculations."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>56\nNot him, and not a genetics tard, can you please explain why?\n>>58\nSo your first affirmation was a lie then?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\n>your first affirmation\nWhat?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>44\n>>48\n>>50\n>>55\n>>58\nMy estimate for (You)r IQ is 82."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nStop whining, shitskin."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\nhmmm perhaps I was wrong. 79 is a better estimate it seems"}, {"id": 64, "content": "WHG has 0% ANE. Salkhit is not closer to Africans. Iran Neolithic has about 15% ANE. CHG has way more.\n>>58\n>p-values\n>posts G25 vahaduo nmonte"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n> >and distances\nRetard."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nBut in all honestly why do you insist on Salkhit not being a mixture of early ANE and East Eurasians but some weird Para-Eurasian people? Is it because of that one very weird admixture run in that paper?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>39\n>Denisova Cave\n\nagain with this shit\n\nthat St Denis was onto something"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>why do you insist\nIt's just a copypaste, but it really shows equal affinity with East and West Eurasians.\n>a mixture of early ANE and East Eurasians\nIt's Yana."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nAlso it seems G25 rather works pretty well with pre-LGM samples, idk why everybody thought it doesn't."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>58\n>Amerindian\n>Cope, retard. It absolutely corresponds with calculations.\nAmerindians get shitty fits because they are bottlenecked, no way to fix it in G25 unless you know the exact ancestors like every thousand years. You aren't bottlenecked. Heck why use a shitty model for Tajiks?\n\nTarget: Tajik_Yaghnobi\nDistance: 2.5337% / 0.02533739\n35.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n32.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n13.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n6.8 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n6.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n5.8 GEO_CHG\n\nFrom this model, setting CHG and Iran_N at 20%, Tajiks get 25 or 26% ANE. About as much as Northern Europeans like Swedes."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>59\n>Not him, and not a genetics tard, can you please explain why?\nLook at the part that says Distance: 10.8627%/0.10862706. Anything more than 3% is dubious, something as high as 10% isn't telling you much because the model's best mish-mash of the inputs is very distant from the target. The model takes the inputs and combines them in a combination that is the closest to the target. A big distance means it couldn't make a good estimate. A distance like 10% tells you close to nothing. If you get 3% that is okay, and any lower would be better."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>69\nIt doesn't work well because none of the 25 components of global25 cover that pre-LGM stuff. So the program can be hallucinating components that don't exist and ignoring components that do exist in its calculations."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>70\nAdd Kostenki14 to the model."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>73\n>do something retarded"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>72\nIt can attribute all these samples to East, West, basal Eurasian, or African lineage without mistakes. Usually, it's all what you want from such samples.\n>>70\n>bottlenecked\nNo bottleneck can give them such distances, retard. They're a different race entirely.\n>a shitty model\nYou dumb shitskin, lmao, why would I make another model if I need to measure their ANE ancestry?\n>as much as\nLearn to count, poo: >>55."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>71\nRetarded shitskin, lmao, your intelligence is literally ape-tier.\n>>59\nThis model has its purpose in estimating proportions of very ancient ancestry, there's no way to get low distances in such models."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\n>It can attribute all these samples to East, West, basal Eurasian, or African lineage without mistakes. Usually, it's all what you want from such samples.\nYou don't know what you are talking about.\n\n>No bottleneck can give them such distances, retard. They're a different race entirely.\nAgain, you don't know what you are talking about.\n\n>You dumb shitskin, lmao, why would I make another model if I need to measure their ANE ancestry?\n>Why would I make an accurate estimation\nBecause you have an IQ of 80 and a cranial capacity of 1400cc. You fit well with shitskins.\n\n>learn to count\nHeed you own advice, also post you global25 coordinates faggot."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>Retarded shitskin, lmao, your intelligence is literally ape-tier.\nIf I my intelligence is ape tier, your intelligence doesn't exist. Your IQ is at least 50 points lower than mine."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>70\nHe's retarded. I tried doing it like that and got these results.\n\nTarget: German\nDistance: 8.0602% / 0.08060199\n53.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n28.8 RUS_MA1\n18.0 WHG\n\nTarget: Tajik_Shugnan\nDistance: 9.8816% / 0.09881648\n55.8 RUS_MA1\n39.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n5.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nThose are bad fits as well. Try to make better models."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>64\nnope, WHG has small amounts of ANE, they literally can not be 0% ANE when they have ANE Y DNA, and its very doubtful ANE had their Y DNA replaced by a mysterious group of IJK - K - P - R Gravettian proto-WHGs.\n\nSalkhit is closer to early OOA than to East Eurasians btw.\nthey show no affinity for East Eurasians when compared to Mbuti either."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>77\n>muuu dennew muuu dennew\nPathetic ooga-booga shitskin.\n>post you global25 coordinates\nAsk your owner humiliatedly and meekly, shitskin.\n>>78\n>muuuu uuu muuu\nThe absolute state of a brown ape."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>82\nPost global25 coordinates faggot. Also link the number of SNPs used with variants."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\n>nope, WHG has small amounts of ANE\nSome samples have a small amount. Most have 0%."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>81\n>small amounts\nIn that preprint it was modeled as either 40 or 45 percent, with being a quarter Europe_UP and the rest Dzudzuana."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>84\nHard to say actually because the earliest WHGs are the ones with ANE and WHG remains are so sparse due to being archaic Hunter Gatherers, so there could be lots of ANE admixed WHGs, which there were in the Balkans, or there could be only a small amount, and the ones found in Serbia and Italy were the only ANE WHGs and they were novel tribes if you will.\nnot all of them had it, buts its erroneous to say none of them had it."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\nIts not ane, its a mixture of kostenki and East eurasian that did not experienced the genetic diferentiation ANE had. As different as nafris are from samis."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nShut the fuck up retard. WHG have 0% Dzudzuana and 0% ANE as a whole. There are outliers with 1% Dzudzuana and 1% ANE ancestry."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\nYou consider Villabruna and the Serbian WHG cluster to be outliers?\nThey arent outliers even if they arent common, they are still WHGs with ANE and its more than 1 so its not one individual, and they are found in multiple regions so its not one person or one tribe in one isolated valley."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\nIt was referred to as Siberia_UP dated around 22k BP. It's MA1. >>88\nYou're not needed, ape."}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nNot him but WHG can't have much Dzudzuana, basal eurasian provides a constrain on it. WHG could be Dzudzuana minus basal."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\nSiberia_UP is not MA1, is a presumed lineage that mixed Kostenki+Europe UP, but thats it, ANE is too specific and too differentiated. no one but ANE, WSHG and EHG had proper ANE.\nthe rest is as similar as a aboriginal australian is japanese"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>89\n>You consider Villabruna\nvillabruna is normal but serbian WHG is a outlier, he also had maternal EEF admixture"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\n>basal eurasian\nNot a real population, it's not needed anymore as we got Dzudzuana.\n>>92\nAny source for your claims?"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>92\nAre you sure about that? Especially the distance being like the one between Australians and Japanese."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>Not a real population, it's not needed anymore as we got Dzudzuana.\nDzudzuana is part basal. Without basal, you can't model Dzudzuana."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nmore or less, yeah, both are technically east eurasians from the Upper paleolithic, but they went through completely different genetic diferentiations.\nsiberia_UP is meaningless"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nYou made a quantitative claim. Distance between Australians and Japanese can be calculated today. Did they in the paper make a population that was equally differentiated as Japanese were from Australians? What was the quantity?"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>96\nIt was modelled as Villabruna plus Mbuti. There's just no such thing as \"basal\"."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>89\n>They arent outliers even if they arent common, they are still WHGs with ANE and its more than 1 so its not one individual, and they are found in multiple regions so its not one person or one tribe in one isolated valley.\n\nTarget: ITA_Villabruna\nDistance: 33.8831% / 0.33883093\n97.3 RUS_Sunghir\n2.6 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG\n0.1 RUS_MA1"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\nIt wouldn't get any mbuti if it didn't have basal eurasian. Mbuti is a sink for basal affinity. Not exact, but relative to crowns, any outgroup ancestry would go into that."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\n>Sunghir\nvery funny, now do Gravettians and ANE"}, {"id": 103, "content": "Whether the WHG cluster has ANE is too abstract to answer without more samples but a few within it pull toward ANE more than others.\n\nMost likely the R1b in Villabruna is related to Iron Gates HG, from which any ANE signal would be lost in just a handful of generations, and may just be region-specific."}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>100\nnice model retarded nigger\nsunghir is super useful indeed\n\nTarget: RUS_AfontovaGora3\nDistance: 30.7958% / 0.30795753\n100.0 RUS_Sunghir\n0.0 CHN_Tianyuan"}, {"id": 105, "content": ">with excluding WHG distance becomes 0.005 higher\n>with replacing AHG distance becomes 0.06 higher\nWHG is undoubtedly not an essential component in Europeans so it's obviously just a drifted mix of ANE and AHG. Period."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>102\n>very funny, now do Gravettians and ANE\n\nTarget: ITA_Villabruna\nDistance: 29.9758% / 0.29975845\n98.1 CZE_Vestonice16\n1.2 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG\n0.7 RUS_MA1"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nPost coordinates."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nCan you do Magdalenians or maybe a 'pure' WHG?"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>107\nMe,0.134735,0.1187,0.066982,0.055983,0.031658,0.018239,0.010319,0.013619,-0.005882,-0.021224,0.004207,-0.005046,0.011054,0.012292,-0.007318,-0.000077,0.003577,-0.001427,0.000478,0.001632,-0.003045,-0.002694,0.004296,-0.001417,0.000168"}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>108\n>Can you do Magdalenians or maybe a 'pure' WHG?\n\nTarget: ITA_Villabruna\nDistance: 2.5130% / 0.02513000\n100.0 WHG\n0 RUS_MA1\n0 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>110\nretard, WHG is a mixture of Villabruna and other shit"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">14998943\nlmao what a retard"}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>112\nthe \"\"WHG\"\" coordinates in G25 dataset is a average of Villabruna, Loschbour and 2 other WHGs, nigger\nis not a \"pure\" nor purer whg"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">the \"\"WHG\"\" coordinates in G25 dataset is a average of Villabruna, Loschbour\nretard"}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>110\nVillabruna is the \"pure\" WHG but there are other less ANE WHGs like Loschbour or La Brana.\nno need to be so obstreperous, I dont know why you have such an aversion to ANE being present in WHGs.\nI mean EHG is literally WHG + ANE, these groups had contact with each other which was more than just one off bands running into eachother."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>109\nThanks. Looks like you are Ukrainian or Russian.\n\nUsing the inputs for a basic idea for ANE through post-LGM ancestry and small fits-\n\nTarget: Tajik_Yaghnobi\nDistance: 2.7100% / 0.02709968\n46.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n33.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n8.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n7.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n4.8 GEO_CHG\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 3.3738% / 0.03373805\n75.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n15.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n8.8 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n\nTarget: Me\nDistance: 4.9839% / 0.04983871\n68.2 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n19.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n8.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n4.2 ITA_Villabruna\n0.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n\n\nAdding in Tyuman-\n\nTarget: Tajik_Yaghnobi\nDistance: 2.5337% / 0.02533739\n35.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n32.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n13.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n6.8 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n6.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n5.8 GEO_CHG\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n\nTarget: Swedish\nDistance: 3.3738% / 0.03373805\n75.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n15.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n8.8 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nTarget: Me\nDistance: 4.9836% / 0.04983621\n68.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n18.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n7.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n4.4 ITA_Villabruna\n0.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 GEO_CHG\n0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nAssumptions: Sintashta is 35% ANE, Tyumen is 88.6% ANE, CHG and Iran_N are 20% ANE.\n\nTajiks get 23.5% to 26% ANE, Swedes get 26.5% ANE, you get 29.5% ANE. Tajiks have a little less or similar amount of ANE compared to Swedes. You have more than both."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>110\n>>113\nTarget: ITA_Villabruna\nDistance: 3.2623% / 0.03262289\n92.2 LUX_Loschbour\n5.2 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG\n2.6 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n\nTarget: ITA_Villabruna\nDistance: 2.3237% / 0.02323724\n87.4 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso\n7.6 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG\n5.0 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n\nVillabruna seems to have hidden ANE but it is dubious because the WHG inputs are newer than Villabruna."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>unknown\n>>116\nAnd yes, AG3 is 16k BP so post-LGM as well."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>unknown\nThose models are too distant. They don't make a good approximation. Frankly my inputs don't make a good approximation for your coordinates either though they are a little better. I put in Tyumen to see if it would improve your fit, but it didn't. I've tried other things like Baltic HGs and using GAC directly, but it doesn't get better than 5%"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>118\nTarget: Me\nDistance: 5.1544% / 0.05154399\n80.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n20.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n0.0 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n\n\nTarget: Me\nDistance: 5.0674% / 0.05067399\n74.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n21.2 POL_Globular_Amphora\n2.4 Baltic_LTU_Narva\n2.4 RUS_Karelia_HG\n0.0 RUS_AfontovaGora3"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\n>make a good approximation\nThey just mustn't, it's pretty obvious that nobody has a straight input from a 16k-year-old woman but as those sources are distant enough from each other and are basal for all later ancestries, it'll give a reliable percentage.\n>your coordinates\nIt's supposed to be so-called Balto-Slavic drift."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\n>They just mustn't, it's pretty obvious that nobody has a straight input from a 16k-year-old woman but as those sources are distant enough from each other and are basal for all later ancestries, it'll give a reliable percentage.\nThe problem is they do not give a reliable percentage. They could give a decent rank-order in comparison to others as long as general ancestries are accounted for. But the percentages themselves aren't accurate, case in point, Tajiks fall from low 30s% in your model to low-mid 20s% in my model. Also in your own models, you yourself get wildly different levels of ANE ancestries even when the fit differences are 9.6% vs 10.8% >>105\n\n>It's supposed to be so-called Balto-Slavic drift.\nI've checked the top 3 most similar ancients with you and they all get a fit of 5% or above as well. The closest I can arrive at is 29% to 30% ANE in models were Tajiks get 23% to 26% and Swedes get 26.5%. Rank order is similar to what it would be with distal models, but the exact percentages will be very different."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>116\nYou can improve it. Here's a better model.\n\nTarget: Tajik_Yaghnobi\nDistance: 2.3721% / 0.02372127\n33.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n28.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA\n17.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N\n16.2 KAZ_Kumsay_EBA\n5.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTajiks come out to 35% ANE."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>123\nI have never used Kumsay before.\n\nTarget: KAZ_Kumsay_EBA\nDistance: 3.4714% / 0.03471375\n63.2 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n15.6 GEO_CHG\n11.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n9.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n\nKumsay itself looks to be about 70% ANE. This makes your Tajik model 27.74% ANE. So the range for the models is 23.5% to 27.74%. This is in the range of Northern and Eastern Europeans."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\n>in my model\nIn your counting, not the model. Here I'm counting the 38% outcome in me and it comes true: >>55.\n>fit of 5% or above\nYou also can compare Italians with for example Germans in such models. The more WSH population have, the higher distances comes as all these herding populations have their own drift. For Slavs, the best source is Spiginas2 from the Baltic CWC or just Baltic_BA."}, {"id": 126, "content": ">the best fit Slavs have among BA-populations is half-Greek\nUnrelated but thoughts?"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nYour model at 10% fit gives 38% ANE, correspondingly you give Tajiks 33.2% ANE at a fit of 11.749%. Both of these are overestimates. You get 29% to 30% ANE when the model is more accurate, Tajiks get 23% to 28% when the model is more accurate."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\n>these are overestimates\nWho said?"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>124\nKumsay is about 80% ANE.\n\nTarget: KAZ_Kumsay_EBA\nDistance: 5.6771% / 0.05677059\n72.6 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n27.4 GEO_CHG\n\nThis would make Tajiks around 30-35 which is shared by Amerindians and certain Uralics."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>126\nTarget: RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o\nDistance: 6.9406% / 0.06940637\n42.2 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n27.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n4.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n\nTarget: GRC_Logkas_MBA\nDistance: 2.5061% / 0.02506070\n48.8 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n30.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n19.8 POL_Globular_Amphora\n1.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: Baltic_EST_BA\nDistance: 10.3189% / 0.10318881\n36.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n27.6 POL_Globular_Amphora\n24.2 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n11.6 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: MDA_Catacomb_Dănceni_MBA\nDistance: 3.9039% / 0.03903863\n51.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n17.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n17.2 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n13.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n\nHard to tell because of bad fits in first, third and to some extent also fourth."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nWith five pops."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>126\nSlavs are just more farmer rich Balts but I don't think they have anything much further south than the North/NE Carpathians.\nTrzciniec samples should be released this year anyway."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>128\nAnyone who sees the models.\n\n>>129\nThat is a worse model. I'm going with ~70%.\n\nTarget: KAZ_Kumsay_EBA\nDistance: 3.4364% / 0.03436390\n56.6 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n16.2 GEO_CHG\n10.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n9.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n7.4 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n\nTarget: KAZ_Kumsay_EBA\nDistance: 3.4714% / 0.03471375\n63.2 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n15.6 GEO_CHG\n11.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n9.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N"}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>133\n>the models\nHow many times should I repeat?\n>In your counting, not the model. Here I'm counting the 38% outcome in me and it comes true: >>55 (Me)."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>44\n>>48\n>>55\n>>58\n>>62\n>>75\n>>76\n>>82\n>>105\nmordvix posts"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>135\nYou're late, servant."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>133\n>That is a worse model.\nTrue, but it's a more direct model for purposes of understand ANE ancestry. Kumsay comes out to 80% total ANE.\n\nMy model >>123 is both better and more direct so I will go with it's 30-35% ANE ancestry in Tajiks."}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>131\nTarget: RUS_Magadan_BA\nDistance: 11.2495% / 0.11249494\n71.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n29.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n0.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n\nTarget: TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res\nDistance: 7.4437% / 0.07443705\n80.6 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n18.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nTarget: England_LBA_low_res\nDistance: 4.0543% / 0.04054275\n51.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n45.0 POL_Globular_Amphora\n3.2 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nTarget: SVN_LBA_EIA\nDistance: 3.8691% / 0.03869111\n46.4 POL_Globular_Amphora\n27.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n26.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nTarget: GRC_Mycenaean_Kastrouli_BA\nDistance: 3.4001% / 0.03400067\n70.4 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n16.4 POL_Globular_Amphora\n12.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n0.6 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nTarget: MDA_Sabatinovka_LBA\nDistance: 2.7570% / 0.02756983\n75.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara\n21.4 POL_Globular_Amphora\n1.6 ITA_Villabruna\n1.2 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n0.0 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi\n0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N\n0.0 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n\nMagadan is useless here and Kaman-Kalehoyuk nearly so."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>138\nI also found out I'm as Greek as \"Greeks\"."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>139\nYou are r1a slav(e)"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>140\n>>unknown\nYou're not needed, servant."}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>134\nThat 38% is a distant estimation. The distance shows how good of a job the model did to make something like you, and those distances are too big. For that matter, I could model a Hadza as 100% ANE if it was the only input. The distance would be like 70% or more. So these big distances are meaningless."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>141\nManletix"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>137\n>True, but it's a more direct model for purposes of understand ANE ancestry. Kumsay comes out to 80% total ANE.\nLess accurate.\n\n>My model >>123 is both better and more direct so I will go with it's 30-35% ANE ancestry in Tajiks.\nI will take your model for Tajiks but not for Kumsay. I am going with 70% ANE in Kumsay. This gives 27.74% ANE to Kumsay. Your model gives 27%-28% ANE to Tajiks, not 30%-35%."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>140\nWho is this boy and why are his parents letting him make this embarrassing videos? Why does he hate R1b?"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\nWorthless comparison as already 30% is a different race point while 10% is definitely a same race point. Why can't you understand we're talking about Epipaleolithic populations?"}, {"id": 147, "content": "I am new here. Who are these posters? One Russian. One Indian. One Italian. Am I missing any other ones?"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>146\n>10% is definitely a same race point.\nComplete cope. Sounds like something out of eupedia trash. Anything higher than 3% is unreliable, and cannot be taken for the literal numbers. Numbers from 10%+ models are not worth considering. At best they give you ranks in comparison to other similarly shitty models. But the specific numbers don't mean anything at that point."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>148\nRetard, 10% is literally the distance between English and Latvian or Italian."}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\n>English and Latvian\nMassive Balto-Slavic shift so notorious that Slavs can't be modeled accurately. Easy to distinguish both of them.\n>Italians\nTotally different ancestral proportion to the point where it is again, easy to distinguish them.\n\nIf someone were to pass Latvian or Italian DNA as English, it would be easily caught as being false. On the other hand, a good approximation would be Dutch vs English. You absolutely cannot model English as 100% Italian to 100% Latvian, but you could model them as 100% Dutch and get away with it."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>unknown\nAre you the Italian guy?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>150\nRetard. Anyway, a 38% ANE 62% AHG mix would be as related to me as a Latvian to an English. Do anything you want with that info."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>151\nI'm Russian, mordvix's owner"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>144\n>Less accurate.\nLess accurate, but more relevant to the ANE ancestry.\n\n>I will take your model for Tajiks but not for Kumsay. I am going with 70% ANE in Kumsay. This gives 27.74% ANE to Kumsay. Your model gives 27%-28% ANE to Tajiks, not 30%-35%.\nKumsay is more than 70% ANE.\n\nTarget: KAZ_Kumsay_EBA\nDistance: 3.4364% / 0.03436390\n56.6 RUS_Tyumen_HG\n16.2 GEO_CHG\n10.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG\n9.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N\n7.4 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n\nThis comes out around 75% ANE which is close to >>129 showing 80% ANE."}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>152\n>Retard. Anyway, a 38% ANE 62% AHG mix would be as related to me as a Latvian to an English. Do anything you want with that info.\nYes, I want to tell you that it proves my point. English =/= Latvian.\nEnglish =/= Italian.\nYou =/= Davidski.\nGo as Davidski for consultation on that 10% distance models, and if he replies back, do include all of the pejoratives he calls you."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>151\nIt's my Georgian servant. I bought him alongside my genetic test.\n>>153\nYou'll never be Russian, Gogi."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>156\nMordvix, you are tatar-moksha mutt. I'm more Russian than you."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>154\n>Less accurate and less relevant to the ANE ancestry.*\nFTFY\n\n>This comes out around 75% ANE which is close to >>129 showing 80% ANE.\n\n56.6x0.886 + 16.2x0.222 + 10.8x0.7 + 9x0.218 + 7.4 = 70.666%. This is 70%, not 75% or even 80%."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>135\nhe stil mogs everyone on /his."}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>159\nThats not what mogging looks like. He'd be the lookism.me posterboy for an incel."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>unknown\nHave a good day"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>158\n>56.6x0.886 + 16.2x0.222 + 10.8x0.7 + 9x0.218\nTyumen is 90%, EHG are 80%, and the CHG should have some more than 20% ANE."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>162\n>Tyumen is 90% ANE\nMore like 88.5%. But even if you make it 90%, Kumsay is still only 71.5% in the end.\n>EHGs are 90%\nSidelkino is positively not 80% ANE.\n>CHG\nIs estimated to be 22.2% ANE. From Lazaridis."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>163\n>More like 88.5%.\nMore precisely 91% ANE + 9% non-ANE.\n>Sidelkino is positively not 80% ANE.\nProbably, but Karelia is."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>164\n>Karelia\nThe model uses Sidelkino.\n>80%\nTarget: RUS_Karelia_HG\nDistance: 6.4216% / 0.06421600\n69.8 RUS_AfontovaGora3\n30.2 ITA_Villabruna\n0.0 RUS_MA1"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would have changed if Taiwan remained Japanese after WWII? Most people in Taiwan pre-WWII were pretty okay with Japanese rule and to this day it seems Taiwan really has a boner for Japan in stark contrast to most of the rest of Asia. Also, a lot of American propaganda and political perspectives during WWII seemed to think Taiwan was a home island at that point. Thoughts?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Taiwan was nicknamed \"the model colony\" because of how it was run and administered. It was in an extremely unique position in that it was annexed by Japan before they became overly nationalistic, and it's pre-existing demographics strongly facilitated a pro-Japanese state.\n\nWhen the Japs annexed the territory they found an island inhabited by a large number of Chinese and a small number of native aboriginals, who had already been chased off of the good land and sent into the mountains. The Japanese sided with the Chinese against the aboriginals and instead of a colonized people the Chinese basically became willing collaborators.\n\nThe Japanese only tried to Japanize the island late on, after war with China had already broken out in 1937, which meant the vast majority of their rule was extremely friendly towards the Chinese in Taiwan, even supportive of their specific culture and dialect, Hokkien, so rather than an oppressed people (as the mainland Chinese would become during the second Sino-Japanese war) they actually flourished during this period, this is what would be remembered as the good times by most Taiwanese.\n\nAfter WW2 the island got handed back to \"China\", which meant the nationalist RoC, but immediately the reds won the civil war and this became the only territory controlled by the RoC. What followed was a period called the white terror, in which the RoC clamped down on anything and everything they deemed against them. This included Hokkien (they wanted the population to speak Beijing standard Mandarin, as part of their \"centralization\" campaign, despite the fact they only controlled Taiwan.) This created a Benshengren/Waishengren divide that exists to this day, between the original Chinese in Taiwan and the post 1945 Mainlanders.\n\nVid related, Taiwanese singing a Japanese folk song in Hokkien on a variety show for nostalgic old people:\nhttps://youtu.be/3gPMoPlK8P8 [Embed]\nAs paradoxical as it sounds they feel Japan represented them more than their fellow Chinese."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>Comments are turned off. Learn more\n\nlel"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\ndidn't read lol"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nI knew about how the mainlanders swamped Taiwan after WWII and how Shek tried to de-Hokkien Taiwan, creating the divide, but I didn't know that Japan was really chill in Taiwan compared to other places. Must be because they tried their best to make them un-Chinese as opposed to strictly Japanese. Interesting."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nTLDR: Japan was really nice to Taiwan compared to Korea, lots of Taiwanese fought in WWII for the Nips, therefore lots of Taiwanese today are hardcore Nip lovers."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Nothing would’ve changed, Taiwan was great under Japanese control and the Taiwanese loved them. As you were saying the Taiwanese are even still very fond of Japanese to this very day.\nAlso zero physical evidence that Pacific theatre happened"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n? I was just wondering if the Cold War would be very different given the Taiwan issue would now be a completely different type of flashpoint."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>this day it seems Taiwan really has a boner for Japan\n\nThis is just modern cope to deal with their weak position vs. China. Postwar & Post-Chinese Civil War, the place got flooded by more mainlanders which replaced the colonized population.\n\nAnd 40-30 years ago the Taiwanese were making movies like this."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nIndeed. I think the ROC being fucked over by the international stage in the 70s/80s cause an identity crisis in Taiwan that is still unfolding to this day. I'll do another thread about the Kuomintang, but I really want to hear your guys' takes on this timeline given it easily could have happened."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt couldn't easily have happened. The US was out for blood, there was no way they would allow them to keep Taiwan.\n\nBut if they did it wouldn't be considered part of China and the PRC wouldn't be trying to get it back. The only reason they claim Taiwan is because allowing them to secede now they are a part of China sets a precedent, both legal and actual for other parts to secede. If Taiwan was never legally transferred to China in the first place then they wouldn't consider it an inalienable part of China. The KMT would make their last stand in Yunnan before being annexed by Mao in the 50s."}, {"id": 12, "content": "They would have to treat it like a home Island instead of a colony."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nI could see it being a lot like Okinawa in our timeline. Lots of American forces stationed there, very unique but definitely Japanese, and probably left-leaning compared to Japan."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nTrue, but Taiwan was pretty insignificant and pretty weird. Even during the war Taiwan was considered to be a home island or core territory of Japan, and unlike Sakhalin it was never directly invaded. I could see it remaining Japanese due to either Kai-Shek failing his retreat and getting slaughtered or the U.S deciding to fuck over Shek and give it to the Japs, given there was a bit of tension between the U.S and Shek and the U.S wanted a stronger Japan for the Cold War. Also, Chinese irridentism would be a huge issue and I could see it becoming a bigger version of the Falklands during the Cold War/afterwards."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\n>But if they did it wouldn't be considered part of China and the PRC wouldn't be trying to get it back\nRealistically, they still would claim it (unless they reached some agreement later) so it would be more like a larger version of the Kuril islands issue. They would certainly be more flexible, but they'd also view it as a relic of Japanese colonialism and a province stolen from China and corrupted by imperialist foreign powers.\n\nThis is a weird thing to speculate about, though, since it was simply not going to happen and would have been massively at odds with US strategy and tendencies in the region. It's easy to say with hindsight \"yeah China is big and bad and Japan is peaceful and friendly,\" but that was simply not the situation which everyone was accustomed to, and anyone who wanted to let Japan keep their colony would have been given some very weird looks. Good luck explaining to Congress that Taiwan should go to the Japs instead of the Chinese anti-communists, because the communists are going to win anyway and you might as well limit their future claims to the island.\n\nIt would also set a bad precedent vis-a-vis colonial powers, since the Europeans would argue that Japan being allowed to keep their colonies gives them the same right, and perceive any American attempts to promote decolonization as blatantly hypocritical since the US was willing to let Japan keep its colonies."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nIt's just a lazy uninformed question. What if my grandmother had wheels tier. The only saving grace is the history of the island, the region, and the countries in question is interesting, and the alt-history nature seems to have kept the chinkspammer at bay."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot much. PRC would still want it back and still be unable to physically take it. The US position on it would be less ambiguous, not that the 7th Fleet has ever been subtle. Japan would need to rearm, and would have a more suitable enemy to build against than the USSR was, meaning a larger Japanese defense-industrial complex and the inability to do omnidirectional diplomacy. PRC would dispense with national unification and start banging the decolonization drum, aiming to rally more third world support. Anti-Japanese feeling in China would be kept at a perennial fever pitch, and the issue would serve to instill it as a direct contemporary issue for each succeeding generation of Chinese, whereas today anti-Japanese sentiment is a legacy hangover from China's unsatisfying World War II, the CPC's war-based legitimacy, some minor territorial disputes, and Japan's alliance with the US."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nAgain, the only real way I could see this happening would be if the conflict between Stilwell and Shek reached such a peak that the U.S abandoned Shek. Perhaps Ichi-Go is more of a disaster for the KMT in this timeline, idk. Either way, that would be the only way I could see it happening."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nIndeed, that's why I like it as dumb of a question it is. A possible, but improbable historical event that could have completely altered the course of recent history and made it way more interesting."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "He conquered the world."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt takes strong man to rule, Alexander was more he was Prometheus, a friend to man, he changed the world"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy didn't he go west?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAlexander the swarthoid feared the Celtic bvlls and could only fight against Bipoc Persians.\n>The historian Arrian wrote that Alexander, hoping to hear his own name, asked “these people of great stature and arrogant disposition” to name their greatest fear. “That the sky might fall on their heads!” came the booming reply. Alexander stalked away, muttering that the Celts’ answer seemed to trumpet their own sky-scraping height. Averaging about 6-6.5 feet tall, the Celts were not truly giants—but they certainly seemed so to the smaller Greeks."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nPersians were whiter than modern Amerisharts"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>4\nWest was barbarians and no grand cities, yes not even Rome"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nGiant GALLIC BVLLS were too endearing."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nWhere is this quote from? Google only gives me this thread and a blog from some Adrienne Mayor\nhttps://www.wondersandmarvels.com/2013/10/alexander-the-great-and-the-giants.html"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nhttps://youtu.be/lmYQMJi30aw [Embed]"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\n>>4\n>>5\n>>6\n>>7\n>>9\nYWNBAW"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nwere exactly in my post did i imply that i was one?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nhe couldn't\nalexander was awesome in his own right but he had an army perfect for knocking down the declined powers in the east he totally outclassed\ntotally different ballgame having to go west and contend with celts, germs, the thracians and illyrins on the doorstep gave his father and him more problems than any people all the way to India ever did\nbut like anon said, no point in going there anyway"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nhe died"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\ntranny"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>3\nthere's no glory on conquering a people that shit and eat in the same place"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\n>>14\nbot posts"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Koryos is literally the ancient equivalent of modern turco-mongol/amerindian type shamanism\n>hurr durr i do x ritual and BEGOME THE WOLF\nThey literally believed they were possessed, just like modern tuvan shamans"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Koryos\nTotal horseshit made up by some jewish egghead\n0 evidence for it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhere do you think that Turkic shamans got their religion from? Tengriism is just a combination of indoeuropean paganism with some aspects of zoroastrianism."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nRedpill me on it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKoryos were war bands tho and they did more than just some epic ritual, they raped a lot"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWell yeah magic isn't being done for nothing.\nKoryos made the IEs very succesful.\nThe tradition is twisted beyond recognition now."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nPlease elaborate."}, {"id": 8, "content": "Hwangook Empire RULES AGAIN over the Finns and Jomons"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nThat's pretty disingenuous to say the least, not equivalent to the comparison ive made\n>>5\nThey thought they were possessed by wolves and wore wolf masks"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nYes. It’s pure LARP.\n\n>>3\nTengrism is deeply rooted in Siberian and Eastern shamanism and the Cult of Heaven. It has no relations to Zoroastrianism or whatever the fuck \"indoeuropean paganism\" is supposed to mean, which anyhow would go back to a Near Eastern polytheistic belief system.\n\n>>5\n>>6\nIt’s a fucking meme lmao."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>Cult of Heaven\nLike the skyfather that is the angular stone of indoeuropean paganism?\nAfroasiatic/MENA paganism traces back to african polytheism, it has nothing to do with IE belief system"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>>\"indoeuropean paganism\" anyhow would go back to a Near Eastern polytheistic belief system.\nElaborate"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\n> whatever the fuck \"indoeuropean paganism\" is supposed to mean\npseud"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">RAISE YOUR AXES TO THE SKY;\n>RAISE THE FLAG AND FLY IT HIGH\n>WE ROAM THESE LANDS FAR AND WIDE;\n>STEEL AND BLOOD ARE OUR PRIDE!"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nElaborate please I don't know what you people are talking about."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nThere is no \"indoeuropean paganism\", the same way as there are no warrior monks with lightsabers on an intergalactic spaceship. Everything you project into your \"ie paganism\" is ripped off from contemporary religions and molded to feed into your pseudo-steppe LARP fantasies.\n\"Skyfather\" is a linguistic ghost, nothing more and nothing less. So stop bullshitting yourself.\n\n>>12\nActually attested beliefs of Indo-European-speaking communities are all polytheistic and agree on personified nature/weather deities that share obvious connections to attested Near Eastern mythologies."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>Actually attested beliefs of Indo-European-speaking communities are all polytheistic and agree on personified nature/weather deities that share obvious connections to attested Near Eastern mythologies.\nThis isn't really proof IE myth being derived from a near eastern source. Only that the IE and the near easterners did in fact have contact with each other. IE myth was used comparing all available mythologies. from ones in Germany to Greece and India. It's just illogical that the PIE myth is derived from a near eastern source.\nUnless you provide evidence to the contrary of course."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>Actually attested beliefs of Indo-European-speaking communities are all polytheistic\nYou could argue the same about chinks, japs or aztecs\n>personified nature/weather deities that share obvious connections to attested Near Eastern mythologies.\nMeaning who? There is some religions on the area of anatolia-Caucasus clearly influenced by indoeuropean paganism. But their linguistic extract is extremely different, when you take a look on pure afroasiatic traditions such as the Egyptian one you wont find elaborate similitudes anymore.\n\nThere is a curious similutude on Indoeuropean and amerindian ones relating a myth of a dog gating the underworld, which is generaly seen as a cave reached through water channels"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nIt wuz ancient ANE myth dood.\nSource: I don't have one.\nNote this is a half-serious proposal"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nStig Wikander was a literal card carrying Nazi and Georges Dumezil wrote pro-Nazi screeds you brainlet.\n\n>>15\nIndo-European society was based on paternal lineages, with the basic unit being the fighting-age married man. These men would have bonds of brotherhood, blood oaths, etc, tying them to each other, going up the chain to some chieftain, and the chieftains would themselves have oaths and bonds to higher chieftains, in theory going up to the Gods themselves. But, there's a problem: what happens when you have a son? He's a great resources, and literally your future (remember, these people believed in reincarnation and a folksoul), has a vested interest in killing you and taking your stuff, AND is fast approaching becoming a horny and violent teenager.\n\nSo you do one of two things. The first option is to send him to go live with one of your brothers (literal or just buddies). He'll raise the kid, he'll beat the shit out of him if he steps out of line, he'll put him to use, and he'll kill him if he's stupid or gay. The other option is to kick him out into the woods and let him fend for himself. He'll either die or join a band of buddies (other forest miscreants). This band of miscreants is the \"koryos\". They'll be lead by some dude calling himself \"wolf\" (the leader is always named \"wolf\" for some reason). From there, one of three things (it's three things according to the Germanics, Celts, Romans, Indians, and Slavs out of tradition) happen.\n\nFirst, one of the kid's relatives comes and fishes them out of the trees when times aren't so lean. Second, some grown man needs goons, so he brings some of the forest runts back into society. Third, the kid grows into a man and never re-enters society, becoming a professional band/guerilla.\n\nThe seminal text on this topic is Kris Kershaw's \"The One-eyed God\", it's required reading in Indo-European departments around the globe."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\nThere is nothing \"illogical\" here. On the contrary, coupled with the fact that IE is proven to have originated from south of the Caucasus, everything becomes self-evident.\n\n>>18\nYou are a retard that obviously has no idea what he is talking about.\n>You could argue the same about chinks, japs or aztecs\nNot at all. Chinese have the Cult of Heaven and ancestor worship. Shinto is a secondary derivative of the Cult of Heaven. Aztecs form a seperate line of tradition that is far too old for any connections to the Old World. None of those show a near match or mythological elements as do ancient IE mythologie with Near Eastern traditions.\n>relating a myth of a dog\nYou have obviously gobbled too much of the pseudo bullshit theories that you can’t differentiate between simple facts and fiction.\n\n>>20\nReads like fucking fantasy neckbeard fiction."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\n>IE is proven to have originated from south of the Caucasus\nLmfao I knew you were a fucking pajeet."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\n\"Pajeets\" have legitimate pagan traditions. Something that fat LARPing neckbeard IEcels like yourself will never have."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nSorry Rajesh, you're not high enough caste to speak to me. Back to the shitting street you go."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>5\n>they raped a lot\nmain focus of koryos was being a policing warrior caste, not rape."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\ndalits getting internet access and its consequences has been a disaster for internet discourse and mankind"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nYou can't read the Vedas. Automatic caste demotion"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>3\nWE"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nYou're not wrong, but neither is he."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nYes.\nThrowing cow shit at each other is very based and very reeee\nFuck I hate indians so goddamned much."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>21\n>There is nothing \"illogical\" here. On the contrary, coupled with the fact that IE is proven to have originated from south of the Caucasus, everything becomes self-evident.\nLanguage and religious traditions are coupled. Unless you can find something tying IE linguistically with near eastern cultures (you can) your argument makes null sense. Why would a religious tradition that comes from africa or yemen such as the afroasiatic be tied with one from the north or south caucasus?\nNear east is not a geographic location nor a culture, language or single group\n>Not at all. Chinese have the Cult of Heaven and ancestor worship\nLike IE\n>Aztecs form a seperate line of tradition that is far too old for any connections to the Old World\nAztecs worship a Serpent associated with the skies, born from a feathered egg that fell from the clouds.\n>You have obviously gobbled too much of the pseudo bullshit theories that you can’t differentiate between simple facts and fiction.\nSimple facts such as what? Is well noted that the myth of cerberus, the world tree and a tridimensional reality (underworld for the dead, overlword for the living, afterlife above for the gods) is mimicked in various amerindian religious traditions\n\nAnd these would be removed from IE by 15.000 Years\n\nBtw IE agricultural terminology makes it impossible for it to be from anywhere except western ukraine"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you didn't just intuitively understand that, you're genuinely retarded."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>21\n>You have obviously gobbled too much of the pseudo bullshit theories that you can’t differentiate between simple facts and fiction.\nto access the underworld there is a river and a Dog, in nahuatl mythology the first of the 9 hells on mictlan is on the Itzcuintlán, that is where dead souls have to cross the Apanohuacalhuia river to access the underworld, in this river a giant lizard lives and on the sides those who msitreated dogs wander for eternity, a Dog called Xoloitzcuintle has to decide then whatever the soul is worthy of not of crossing the river, and if they are, he guides them with a red thread\n\nThe myth of a Underworld warden that is a dog, and a underworld below earth that is reached through rivers is identical to cerberus and the psychopomp myths"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>29\nIndians we wuzzing as the original indo europeans is laughable\n\nthey were raped, and submitted to aryan dongs\ntheir descendants then instituted the caste system which cemented them on top"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\n>>31\nYou didn't have to go that in depth guys, Dopinder's theory is BTFO'd by the fact that the Nahuatl are descended from ANEs, just like the PIE, and as such would obviously have similarities as such."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>25\nPolicing what ? They were young warriors purposefully sent outside the tribe so they can cause as much chaos to some other enemy tribe"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>22\nKill yourself nigger.\n>>21\n>On the contrary, coupled with the fact that IE is proven to have originated from south of the Caucasus, everything becomes self-evident.\n>>>Proved\nMerely a theory (but not an impossible one, I still doubt it) Regardless, when the southern arc was happening the smites had barely crawled out of Egypt so the region looked completely different. What you are suggesting is improbably at best.\n>>20\nAh, thanks. Thought there was some sort of dog sacrifice involved.\nBut I was also asking why the guy thought it was a meme or fake. They just dropped that and leave."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>32\nOdin is called leader of the possessed, obvious shamanism"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nHow do Kurganites deal with the fact that the direct descendants of ANE speak dene-yeniseian languages? Seems more likely that IE originated with the CHG half of yamnaya ancestry"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>39\nI happen to not be atatched to neolithic ethnicities. so I don't care."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\nThe descendants of CHG have 4 different languages and none appears to be IE, Vainakh, northeast caucasian, northwest caucasian, Kartvelian,hell you can even bet for Sumerian, Elamite and whatever and still fail\n\nIE came from EHG, not from West siberian hunter gatherers"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nShould they shill for it? Is an L for R mongoloids, big win for IJ west eurasians."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nNot impossible.\n>>41\nSometimes language families completely desert their urheimats."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\n>Sometimes language families completely desert their urheimats.\nOkay but why do vainakh exist? They are directly paternally descended from CHG"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>>43\nEuskaric is a Caucasian language"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">In desperation the jailer asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” Never missing an opportunity to share the good news, Paul and Silas said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved\n\n>“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day\n\nWHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS? Believe he performed miracles? Believe hes God's son? Believe he raised from the dead? Believe he never sinned? Believe the Holy Trinity? Believe hes the Jewish Messiah?\n\n>inb4 believe everything in the Bible\nThats not what Jesus and Paul says"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes \"believe in yourself\" mean to accept your existence? No it means to have faith and trust in yourself. Belief in Jesus = Trusting Jesus with your life.\n\nHere's the Greek word in John 6:40 for believe\n\n4100 πιστεύω [PISTEU/W] {pisteúō} \\pist-yoo'-o\\\nfrom 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):--believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nSo \"believe in Jesus\" means to believe hes going to save you from Hell?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS? Believe he performed miracles? Believe hes God's son? Believe he raised from the dead? Believe he never sinned? Believe the Holy Trinity? Believe hes the Jewish Messiah?\n\ngo sleep kiddo"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Worship Rabbi Yeshua or he'll burn you forever, goy!\nThat about sums it up"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt's the simple things that confound the wise. Simply believing He really is. Not was, but IS. Simple belief. Something so simple even a child can do it.\n\n>“Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:3)"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nYes basically, it's trusting that he died for your sins and that God resurrected him to demonstrate that your sins were paid for.\n\nRomans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI kneel."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nYes, this is what salvation means."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLuke 18:9-14 \"He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”"}, {"id": 11, "content": "Believe in God's ability to actually save you through Jesus Christ. Out of revelation, believe that he has already come through even if you don't know anything or find yourself empty handed, spiritually dry. Believe him over your situation of your unsavedness that is looking at you in the face. Those things are said for a reason. Do you recognize him from the dimension of the impossible?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndefine believe shill"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBelieve in maltheism instead, you cant go wrong."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">tfw we've been living in mud huts all this time\n/his/bros...."}, {"id": 2, "content": "\"progress\" is a meme"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot Americans, they live in paper houses. I legit thought \"punching a hole in the wall\" was just a metaphor before coming to America."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're advance mudhuts, with lightbulbs and electricity"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot in murka."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nAre you from one of those countries that build with \"brick\" that you can knock down if you run into it too hard?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>oh you make fun of American houses made of wood and paperwall? Well that can only mean you live in a favela!"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\n>america is so advanced they learnt to build houses out of big plants\ni bow"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nUhm, no, my house is made of based wood, chudcel."}, {"id": 10, "content": "clay isn't mud, it's more advanced and durable"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>this is ADVANCED mud"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nget factchecked chudpolceljak"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\n>lights match\nHeh, nothing personnel."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\n>clay is more advanced"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>5\nI cum"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How would have the USSR progressed if legislation like the NEP continued to be implemented and encouraged? Would it have become something akin to Deng's China?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Would it have become something akin to Deng's China?\nI guess that's accurate, they would larp as Marxists, but would be a semi-capitalist state with a Leninist party structure and dictatorship.\nMaybe they would shift away from Communism to a paradoxically non-political cult of personality of Lenin (even more) as a revolutionary and state- founder and underplaying his actual political views, like North Korea does with Kim Il-Sung now."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYes, that was Bukharin's plan."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIt would have been invaded by Nazi Germany and the whole slavic race would be mostly genocided by germans with the rest returned to slave status. Stalin implemented the reforms he did to quickly industrialize the country because he saw how weak the country was with stuff like the finnish war conflict and, being the vanguard of the revolution, it was a sitting duck in NEP times against the industrialized first world countries. Stalinist industrialization was basically a defensive economy and even America shifted to something similar around the 40's in world war 2."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>It would have been invaded by Nazi Germany\nNazi Germany had every right to attack the Soviet Union though. The Communist International tried to overthrew their government multiple times. The USSR was the aggressor."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n\nNo they were trying to liberate it. It was because of the communists that world war 1 ended on both sides of the Russian and German aisle. Bourgeoisie republics are the ones who were throwing masses of workers against each other like they were cattle for the sake of banks in London."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would have become German property."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>>4\nBarbarossa was defensive. The Soviet Union was overthrowing governments all over Europe prior to the Nazis invading.\nThey tried to coup Germany's government in 1919, 1923. Failed.\nThey overthrew the government of Georgia in '21\nThey tried to overthrow the governments of Estonia, Lithituia and Finland after the war. They got btfo'd.\nThis BS about Stalin needing to industrialize... its because was preparing to invade Europe and spread communism. It wasn't for defensive purposes. Hitler was protecting Europe from communism. Hitler had no intentions of killing slavs or enslaving them. That's just Soviet war propaganda."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n\nThey're still actually doing this today with the Ukraine conflict and everything in the middle east too. The national state doesn't even exist anymore in the age of globalization and yet millions of working people are being sent to their deaths for the sake of banks in NYC, Moscow, and London"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nUkraine's conflict is caused by Jewish bankers, the same people who funded the Bolsheviks"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n\nThe USSR was the spearhead of the proletarian revolution. It was meant to be a force to liberate the proletariat in all countries and construct their own dictatorial republics that focused on people's needs and industrialization. In the aftermath of world war 2, the USSR helped to establish socialist republics across eastern Europe that got rid of everyone's debts to the prior landlord aristocracy and gave these countries stuff like tractors and modern agricultural equipment/luxuries which they didn't really have before. The nazis were a force of resentment funded by people like Henry Ford and ironically several jewish bankers who believed in the existence of the national state and world war as a way to keep the economy functioning in crises of overproduction like the great depression in the 30's."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\n>>8\n\nstalin was adept of the \"socialism in one country\" and everything he took over prior to 41 was after the MR pact, AKA, something that germany knew and let flow.\n\nyou might say that barbarossa was a pre-emptive strike, a \"better kick'em now than in 2 years\" move, but it certainly wasn't a defensive action, especially when they were actual plans of conquest and ressource apropriation."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n\nI'm not saying the USSR is perfect, but everything they did especially after the 20's was out of protecting themselves. The entire reason they couldn't adapt as easily as China did is because they invested so much of their budget to military expendenture out of fear for another world war conflict"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>The USSR was the spearhead of the proletarian revolution\nI.g. was trying to spread Judaeo-Boleshvism - its tyranny and terror. The USSR was lead by a cabal of Christ-killers who murdered millions of Christians, and were planning to ethnically cleanse Europe of white Christians and European culture. Fascism was a necessary, organic reaction to communist counter-revolution against civilization.\n>>12\n>stalin was adept of the \"socialism in one country\"\nWhich is a complete lie. He invaded Georgia, Spain, and even tried to over-run Poland. He was a schemer, a lying pedophile who wanted world, Jewish domination of Europe. Barbarossa was absolutely defensive because the Communist International attacked Germany and Europe dozens of times just before WW2 with coups and invasions. You can't claim German's counter-attack to Soviet aggression is not defensive."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\n>but everything they did especially after the 20's was out of protecting themselves.\nLike trying to coup Germany's government, invade Finland and Estonia?\nOverthrowing Georgia's government?\nWho's stupid enough to believe the Soviet Union was protecting itself by invading sovereign countries to impose communism?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\n>Georgia\nrussian empire and part of the USSR as it claimed\n>Spain\nhe supported local communist, he did not took over them\n>Communist International attacked Germany and Europe dozens of times just before WW2 with coups and invasions\npost WW1 chaos was not stalin, and everything after was from local soviets.\n>He was a schemer, a lying pedophile who wanted world, Jewish domination of Europe\n\nwhy do i even bother ? cope and go fight your imaginary jew in your head you schizo."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\n>russian empire and part of the USSR as it claimed\nThe USSR wasn't the Russian Empire (they destroyed0) and it had no claim to Georgia because they declared independence.\n>post WW1 chaos was not stalin, and everything after was from local soviets.\nStalin was a military commander who participated in those wars. He was engaged in combat with Piłsudski at Warsaw, only to be defeated. Tukhachevsky blamed Stalin for it which is why he killed him.\n>he supported local communist, he did not took over them\nSpain was invade by communist troops on his fucking orders. He tried to implement a communist government in Spain only to be stopped by Franco's heroism.\n>cope and go fight your imaginary jew in your head you schizo.\nSeethe more, leftypol tranny. You will never be a woman and your propaganda will not work here. You jews are done."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>3\nBukharin definitely held a right position in the Bolsheviks on the NEP but he was still an avowed Marxist and very theoretically intelligent. In contrast, Deng's position in the Communist Party was as part of the military-nationalist faction.\n\nAlso the NEP and Deng's market liberalisation don't exactly share an overlap in practice, reasoning or goals."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>4\nTales of the atrocities committed by the Bolsheviks during the mass collectivizations is one of the main reasons why the NSDAP won the worker's vote over the KPD. If the Soviet Union had become a centralized but somewhat functioning economy with better international relationships instead of a complete hellhole bent on conquering its neighbors there's a chance the Nazis wouldn't have ever won."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Deng's position in the Communist Party was as part of the military-nationalist faction.\nBukhrain shifted to the right, was the inventor of \"socialism in one country\" which essentially replaced Soviet internationalism with national interests. Deng studied Bukharin.\n>Also the NEP and Deng's market liberalisation don't exactly share an overlap in practice, reasoning or goals.\nBukharin's \"ENRICH YOURSELVES!\" was no different than Deng's \"Its glorious to be rich.\"\nYou're forgetting Bukharin was an opportunist who shifted from the Communist to Stalin's right all because he hated Trotsky and loved his friendship with Koba over actual principles"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\n>Deng studied Bukhrain\nNo shit, I've not doubt Deng read widely. I'd suggest reading some of Bukharin's work it holds a lot of merit. There is a reason that apart from Lenin he was probably the 2nd most respected theorist in the Bolsheviks between 1917 and the later years of the power struggle.\n>\"ENRICH YOURSELVES!\"\nPlayed out argument, I've no doubt you don't know what the context of this cock-up was. The polemics of the era have been so watered down by contemporary \"Marxists\" that they hold little to no water anymore. Also very different context to Deng. Again NEP and Privatisation of China were very clearly different things that happened at different stages in each nations experiments with socialist governance.\n>Opportunist\nImagine calling Bukharin and opportunist and not Trotsky, that's hilarious. Also I find it funny you criticise Bukhrain's positon on the NEP and not Trotsky way more retarded position on War Communism. One worked as a transitionary system, the other, nearly sunk the whole project Soviet 60 years early.\n>friendship with Koba\nHe used to draw little cartoons for Stalin, I think that's very cute don't you?\n>Socialism in one country\nML defence of SiOC is dumb but alas it's still not as bad as critiques of it presented by Trots are.\n\nPlease, please for the love of God realise that there is more to the Bolsheviks than just Stalin and Trotsky (Menshevik). Reducing it to Lenin's arguably worst successors does you a theoretical disservice in available literature and a disservice to the legacy of the early Central Committee."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We should kill every single baby so that we guarantee they go to heaven."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow many have you killed so far?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt would be the most humane thing to do if heaven existed. Christ bros... its time to strange our children."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nIs the quest of life to reach Heaven for Heanen's sake or to earn Heaven through living righteously?"}, {"id": 5, "content": "why dont you start doing it op?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "based and christpilled"}, {"id": 7, "content": "In Islam you automatically go to heaven if you die before age 8\n\nI asked my parents to kill me so that I could go to heaven without worrying about the apocalypse and shit"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">\"And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth.\"\n>Genesis 1:28\ncan't fulfill the cultural mandate if you kill every children"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmasterbaiter"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI recognize that I am working against God's plan, but I am willing to sacrifice my own soul in order to save the souls of as many babies as possible, that is, by killing them.\n\nalso this is a stupid discussion since it just boils down to whether utilitarianism is compatible with Christian ethics, the answer to which is an obvious \"no\""}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nI'm not so sure if the answer is completely obvious. Some theodicies seemingly depend on a consequentialist view of ethics."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Catholics think gold trinkets and praying to statues brings them closer to God? You can't get much more unbiblical than believing any man including the Pope can be infallible. Catholicism is one of the ultimate heresies."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">muh bible\nThe bible says the earth was created in 7 days, that Joshua stopped the sun, that PI = 3, etc."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWhy do atheists always feel so compelled to reply to Christian threads? Are they trying to override their conscience and convince themselves they don't need God?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLuther had his “big realization” on the toilet"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nLuther was an antisemite and a bootlicker, he was a precursor to Hitler and his ideology brought about the destruction of Germany"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nGermany is doing relatively well in the world though"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nMany of the early church fathers hated Jews and so did many early Christians"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do Catholics think gold trinkets and praying to statues brings them closer to God? You can't get much more unbiblical than…\nCatholics find God through the Church first and foremost, not through private reading of scripture. If you are sincere in looking for the answer to your question (I have a suspicion not), that will be the beginning of your answer."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nwhy do muh atheists"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nEarly Christians WERE Jews you coping delusional phelgmskin"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nRead any of the literature of the early church fathers, 300a.d onward and they refer to Jews as Christ killers and forbid Christians from participating in Jewish holidays with Jews, why do you think Christians celebrate Easter and not Passover"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\ndude you are making him sound better than he actually was"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>3\nCalvin said that atheists spend their entire lives trying in vain to convince themselves God doesn't exist, and because they know He does exist, they feel incredible guilt over the sin, which drives them to try harder to extirpate their knowledge of Him in the hopes of feeling peace after."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>5\nwtf i love luther now"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nWhy do Christians spend their whole lives annoying other people about their Jewish sky king?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy do Protestants think it's okay to remove 7 books from the Bible and start their own church?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\nWhy do you find being told the truth annoying?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nSource on chick"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nnose piercing detected\n\ndoubt created"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nCalvin = LORD"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>16\nthose 7 books were shit and the Prots should have pushed harder against 2 Peter, too"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nNo Anon. Calvin was just a servant of the Lord"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nCalvin is the fourth person of the trinity"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nIronic blasphemy is still blasphemy"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nIn the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God. Then Calvin came along and abrogated the Word."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">Protestants actually believe that just believing in Jesus is good enough and you don't need to be a good person to get into heaven\n\nWhat a pointless fucking \"religion\". If your religion doesn't require people to do good deeds then it's literaly pointless and shouldn't exist. The participation trophy of theology, just \"believe\" and you win! So easy!"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>26\nAll our best behaviour in God’s eyes is as filthy rags.\n\nThat’s where justification and sanctification kick in."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>27\n\nProtestantism at its core is an inherently un-human ideology.\n\nIt rejects tradition, ignores practical aspects of the relationship between a man, the church, and society at large, and removes all the responsibility to be a fully autonomous and responsible person, by making the start and end point of all discussion the bible. There's more to theology than what was written down by men. But somehow literally the only thing that matters is the bible and having faith.\n\nIt's just irresponsible, weird and it's really no surprise that the end result of protestantism, a few hundred years later, is decaying, rootless societies of atomized individuals."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\nJesus let a filthy thief into heaven right fucking after him. Faith alone, bitch boy."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>praying to statues\nCatholics pray to God. They just face the symbols. They're not praying to the symbols themselves."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nChristians are justified by the sacrifice of Christ, and sanctified by the holy spirit, there is no need for theology or churches, you are saved by god"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>30\nOh God, Oh God, I'm so scared right now dont't know what to do\nI THINK I may have accidentally worshiped a statue of the VIRGIN mary? HW I DON'*T WANT TO GOT OT HELL\nI don't wwannta go to hell, what do I do ?\nI worshipped the idolcon by accident it wasn't on purpose what d\nI'm so scared right now"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n\nHow convenient. Jesus already did everything, so you can just sit back and not actively try to lead a virtuous life. Jesus died and made this world into one big eternal party with no responsibilities, I see. Just as long as you believe, you're golden. What a scam. There's just no reason at all for this \"religion\" to exist then even according to its own mantra.\n\nIf religion has no earthly purpose then what are you even doing?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\n>Jesus died and made this world into one big eternal party with no responsibilities\nIt's not supposed to go on forever"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>33\nAccording to Christian theology, we’re ALL bad and need forgiveness.\n\nIf you suddenly only have faith when you’re on the point of dying and have led a terrible life, that counts just as much as someone who led a totally virtuous life\n\nIf you have a problem with that, you aren’t a Christian"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>32\nwhat?"}, {"id": 37, "content": "Just remove 'quirky' Paul as well and allow homos, OH WAIT"}, {"id": 38, "content": "I can't take the opinion of any Christian who doesn't call himself Catholic seriously. The terms are synonymous, calling yourself an anti-Catholic is the socially acceptable way for nominal Christians to renounce Christianity."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nThe Lutheran and Reformed churches describe themselves as Catholic in their confessions of faith"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nI accidentally worshiped an idol, and now I feel bad ;(\nI was just supposed to venerate an icon, but it went all wrong"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\n1. There's a difference between veneration and worship; I venerate my parents.\n2. Catholics don't venerate the icon of Mary, they venerate Mary herself.\n3. Even if they did venerate the icon itself that wouldn't be a heresy, as long as they don't worship it or her."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>41\nThere is no difference between veneration and worship."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>35\n>If you suddenly only have faith when you’re on the point of dying and have led a terrible life, that counts just as much as someone who led a totally virtuous life\nOnly those who have spent a lifetime trying to make themselves absolutely perfect, scarcely spending a moment in any endeavor besides pleasing God, can be said to have faith. Paying lip service to His authority doesn't cut it."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nNo man will ever be saved by his works. Even if he did that which no man has ever done and strove for perfection and perfect service before God it wouldn't be a fraction of enough to deal with his sin. The only way one can be right before God is though the righteousness and sacrifice of the sin-bearer, which one receives the benefits of by believing in Him."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>42\nworship is reverence PLUS adoration of \"a deity\"\nMary isn't a deity in Catholicism.\nYou didn't adore and venerate Mary or the icon of her."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nSo the part that makes something worship is the mouthing of the words \"a deity\" and not the act of falling down in worship before an object? Pagans weren't idolaters because they didn't say the rocks themselves were gods?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>46\nTwo identical actions can have different meanings depending on intent. Two people kneel before an image of Christ, look on it longingly, and pray. That's the same act, yet one may be praying to the image itself, while the other may be praying to Christ Himself.\n\nIntent and meaning can be separate from action. It depends if the Pagans were worshiping the rocks or some perceived gods (not the rocks themselves) while they were \"falling down in worship before an object.\""}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\n>That's the same act, yet one may be praying to the image itself, while the other may be praying to Christ Himself.\nAnd it is irrelevant as far as the scripture is concerned, since God condemns any worship through an object, even that which pretends to be directed to Him.\n>Intent and meaning can be separate from action\nSo it's worship if Baal is the object, and not worship if Mary is the object. Special pleading. If the act of worship consists simply in the object idolatry could not be condemned. If Moses were to find a man in his tent bowed before an image of a strange god, do you think he would let him go free if he pleaded that he was only venerating, not worshipping?\n>It depends if the Pagans were worshiping the rocks or some perceived gods (not the rocks themselves) while they were \"falling down in worship before an object.\"\nThe Romans defended their idolatry by claiming they worshipped not the image, but the god depicted by the image. Was the early church, including the inspired apostles in the New Testament itself, wrong to call them idolaters?"}, {"id": 49, "content": "So, like, how do I venerate Mary\nDo I just look at the icon and think happy thoughts?"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>worship through an object\nIf people dress up to go to church do they \"worship through\" wearing slightly nicer clothes?\nJust because people pray in the presence of an object like a statue doesn't mean they're praying TO that statue.\n>if Baal is an object, but not if Mary is the object.\n>do you think Moses would let him go free if he pleaded that he was only venerating, not worshipping?\nI'm not going to speculate about what Moses would do. I understand that it looks like one thing, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is that act/thing. There are no doubt people who worship the Mary statue and those who worship Jesus Christ in the presence, and while facing the Mary statue. I suspect the early Church wanted to ensure it caught all those in the first category of Romans. I'm not prepared to discount the possibility that the Romans who said what you claim they said were being truthful.\nI think the language used in the NT about the collective Roman pagans referred to a subset of them who worshiped the images."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>44\nIf we're being extremely generous we could assume that protestants are just getting mired in semantics and ignoring some key verses, but in reality we all know they're just implicitly outing themselves as infidels.\n>Even if he did that which no man has ever done and strove for perfection\nWhat more can a man say of such blasphemy? He's already said all that needs to be said. He couldn't even bring himself to write \"achieve perfection,\" he genuinely believes no one should try to be perfect, in spite of scripture."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>49\nHonor her by loving God through her and humbly requesting to be more like her."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\nNobody has ever tried to be perfect. They have all failed through their own wills. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\n>If people dress up to go to church do they \"worship through\" wearing slightly nicer clothes?\nDo they pilgrimage to a far removed image of their clothes up on a hill before falling down before it and shouting prayers to their clothes?\n>Just because people pray in the presence of an object like a statue doesn't mean they're praying TO that statue.\nThis would hold water if the statue's presence were incidental. However, they walk up to it, get on their knees, and pray before it, generally to the creature whose image it bears. They are worshipping the image. Its presence is not incidental, it is the focus of their faith.\n>I'm not going to speculate about what Moses would do.\nYou know exactly what he would do, what the law of God would require him to do. Why do you not fead the wrath of God? You need to repent and flee to Christ for mercy.\n>I understand that it looks like one thing, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is that act/thing.\nThis leaves us without any ability to do what scripture does and commands us to do, to condemn or even avoid idolatry, because there is nothing which could not be excused this way. The Lord warned us how we might avoid idolatry: \"I am the Lord, that is my name, my glory I will not share with another, neither my praise with a graven image\". Any religious worship of any created thing is strictly forbidden, it could not be clearer. Flee from these traditions of men, they separate you from God.\n>I'm not prepared to discount the possibility that the Romans who said what you claim they said were being truthful.\nSo the fathers were wrong? Because they rejected that argument.\n>referred to a subset of them who worshiped the images.\nHow did the apostles know they worshipped them and didn't merely venerate them?"}, {"id": 55, "content": "Protestants don’t encounter God at church, sums it up"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">Catholics need a mediator for them and God\n>a lot of them cannot recite verses\nNo wonder the majority of their followers are sub 90 IQ Latinos and self righteous zoomers."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>56\nCatholics encounter God and the scriptures at church"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nGod isn't a cracker"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>58\n>666\nThe Lord is true bread"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYHWH loved being shown off in gold and with icons of his slaves. The Ark of the Covenant was gold plated and had Cherub angels mounted on it."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\n\n>protestants want to larp as a faithful person without putting in effort to actually be a good and righteous person in their every day life"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>58\nProtestants: God is not a bread!\nJesus: I AM bread (John 8:35) and I AM literally bread (John 6:51), my flesh is bread (Matthew 26)\nGod is as much as bread as he is light, gate and truth. If you dont take these to your heart, you will never understand God."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>59\nBread is a false god and a false sacrifice. Repent of your popish religion"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>>57\n>I’m a Christian because I let a priest read the Bible to me\nLmao"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>60\n> YHWH loved being shown off in gold and with icons of his slaves\nI worship this Jew gold warlord slaver desert aesthetic, it is truly fitting of God"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>64\nThat was the Church for 1500 years, as it is. Nearly all the existent manuscripts we have are because they were from liturgical copies. Do you think everyone just had a \"bible\" and was literate.. ..and salvation revolved around literacy? Do you even stop and think about it for a second?"}, {"id": 67, "content": "The Temple was finely decorated\nIf I want it to be that way why shouldn't it?\nI'm new to Christianity so I haven't read the Bible fully yet, are there any verses in the New Testament which state that churches should be unadorned and simple?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\ni dont know if this post is a based bronze age history knower take or cringe shittheist butthurt moans"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>66\n>the reformation didn’t happen until the printing press was invented and more people became literate"}, {"id": 70, "content": "God is an artist in the purest sense of the world\nHaving artists within a community get commissions from the local Church to produce artwork for the Church is just one way to fulfil a vocation that God has given to mankind, that of the artist"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>the reformation didn’t happen until the printing press was invented and more people became literate\nThe ability to produce and distribute Bibles and other religious texts in the vernacular also allowed more people to read and interpret the Bible for themselves, which was a central tenet of the Protestant movement."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>67\n>I'm new to Christianity so I haven't read the Bible fully yet, are there any verses in the New Testament which state that churches should be unadorned and simple?\n>And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin.\n>And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.\nScripture itself is written in plain language that is profoundly edifying without any need of flowery words. God's aesthetic preferences are clear."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>God's aesthetic preferences are clear\nGolden & serpentine"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nWell if you try to adapt that verse to churches then it seems to me that churches are wrong and that we should be in nature, not in buildings\nI do remember something about the Tabernacle being very beautiful but that God actually didn't want Solomon to build the Temple?\nIs this what you mean when you say that God's preference is clear?\nI don't read Hebrew, Aramaic or Koine Greek so I'm not sure whether it is plain or not"}, {"id": 75, "content": "What do Catholics hope to gain by praying to dead saints? Are they supposed to be omnipresent or omniscient such that they are able to hear and respond to the prayers of millions around the world?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is what chuds actually believe"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhen you read physical descriptions of who occupied the committee of public safety during the french revolution such as Robespierre, the image isn't too far off. the french revolution was spear headed by ugly freaks"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nThis"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's basically it but I don't see any Jews in it"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nUgly psychotics too. No wonder the corsican overthrew the incompetent idiots."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nSaint-Just was a chad tho"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCorrect.\nEvery single authoritarian regime claims to have good intentions. They all have claimed that they were restricting the rights of man because those rights got in the way of the regime bringing forth a better, more just world.\nChaos ensues every time."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\njust read his descirption. he was described as a anxiety ridden manlet with a long face. typical resentment fueled loser. not unpleasant to look at, but far from a chad\nonly danton was tall and built, and everyone knows he basically resembled a gorilla with how he ugly he was"}, {"id": 9, "content": "ITT: seething incels"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Correct. Except for the Covid shit. Coronavirus was just a disease. I don't think there was anything poisonous in the vaccine, although the incentives for the vaccine may have been unjust."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Source and artist on pic?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Keyed but chuds believe in Meritocracy. End yourself."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>the french revolution was spear headed by ugly freaks\nWhat zero pussy does to a mf"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nBuh shuh mofugguh da shaw raite"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>8\n>manlet\nHe was like 1.68, that was average height at the time. Napoleon was about the same height. Cope harder, Chud."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nI think the vaccine is still immoral just because it hadn't been tested properly. And it also struck me as weird that it was being marketed as a cure instead of as a vaccine."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>12\n>chuds believe in Meritocracy\nLmao\n>>8\nEvery notable European conqueror in the past 500 years was a manlet. Deal with it."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nNo argument detected."}, {"id": 19, "content": "Why is everyone in 2021 brown?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>2\nDanton looks cool though. Like a proper brawler. Men shouldn't be dandy pretty boys, being scared and burly is good."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>5\nI don't know about incompetent. But they were rather rabid and well of course had this retarded obsession with remaking the world in their image.\nDesmoulins wasn't all bad I guess.\n>>17\nSome very annoying ones do.\n>>12\nMikkacels devolve into racist communists ep #16281\nI bid you return to Twitter.\n>>1 (OP)\nPartially true although I don't think the Masons were actually involved in this one, they're more of an Anglo thing."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nWhy did you time-travel to 2021?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>15\nNapoleon was 5'2"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>2\n>this person is ugly so they are bad\nim trying to figure out what could happen in a persons life to make them this retarded"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>racist communists\n?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nMurrican education.\n\nIt's funny though. Their founding fathers would be absolutely disgusted if they saw modern Americans being such monarchist chuds."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>21\nThe only communists are those claiming benefits on behalf of imagined constructions."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nI LIVED through 2021, but in this instance I was asking why the specific cartoon OP posted depicts all the people in 2021 as either brown or a skeleton."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>19\nRepresentation of modern demographics."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nI have no idea but maybe its something about the great replacement,"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>4\nJews were banned from France during this time i believe\n\nAlso, Jacobins did nothing wrong"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Tbf the war in the Vendée wasn't historically unique.\n\n>Vendeans: I don't want a bunch of libtard-libcucks coming over here from crime-plagued Paris and telling me what to do. Those university kids might know Latin and Greek but they don't know shit about nothin'\n>Also Vendeans: The nobility? Yeah, they can push me around. They're just better than the rest of us. If they weren't, how come they're rich and we're not?\n\nTHAT BEING SAID, in this case, part of the Vendeans' sympathy for the nobility was due to the fact that the province was far more egalitarian than most of the rest of the country. The nobles in the Vendée didn't have a drastically better life than the commoners and often had to work alongside them, so the Vendeans' couldn't understand why most of the rest of France (especially in the cities and in areas of grossest wealth disparity) were growing violently enraged at the nobles and so eager to end the old order."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nWhat`s funny is that even though the Jacobins were considered extremely radical leftists, they still didn`t even consider peasants real citizens lmao"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\nThey were not since Valois started conquering the east, they just had to stay in their turf. Louis edicted tolerance for them. Jacobins did nothing of note and promptly disappeared."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\nMeme. The bassin parisien was the most egalitarian part of the kingdom (naturally so). Living conditions don't factor in that. And go back to youtube comment sections.\n>>33\nThis isn't even a meme where did you pick that up, seriously?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nFrench Republican calendar\n\nI`ll accept your concession now, sweaty"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nFor your sake I'll pretend as if nothing was written here"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>34\n>>1 (OP)\n\nMy mom actually believed Robespierre was a Jew."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>24\n>what are spiteful mutants"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\n>This isn't even a meme where did you pick that up, seriously?\n\nDidn`t you need to be a landowner and pay a certain amount of tax to be considered a citizen even in the new regime?"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>37\nFun fact:\nThe French Republican Calendar is still in use in some counties of Norway and Estonia"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nNo, no you didn't, you needed a tax to participate in certain duties, to be an active citizen, but you could still be a passive citizen. This wasn't unanimously appreciated but even in Antiquity where citizenship was much more prized, these kind of censitary distinctions existed inside the body of citizens."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>41\nI doubt they use it on a day to day basis"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>9\nhow is in celhood related to this thread about french revolution moron"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>ITT: delusional monarchist serfs\nYou're no better than the commies, thinking you'll be living a better life when the right regime takes over, fantasizing about doing poetry or being a paramilitary fashion designer"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nactually it's the censored version"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>11\nChudonardo Chud Vinci"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>26\nNo self awareness."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>32\nThe French royals demanded way less from the peasants than the Convention and the Directory did."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>11\nplantu"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>49\nMonarchy did a lot of that shit too. The only thing that's changed is the leaders no longer claim that their authority comes from God. They found out that if they say their authority comes from the people that they govern, they're be able to blame their own subjects for the leadership's mistakes."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>45\nYou are no different from a commie, having a serf as a baseline. (Also, XVIIIth century France and serfdom? Seriously?)"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>39\nracists"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>25\nOperate the same way they're just racist."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAnd how is it wrong? The republic has been a disaster for France. We have never recovered from the bloodletting under Napoleon, and now the French people live under a government that denies its very existence in favour of a universal laïcité that erases us, until all that is left are vague mutable ideas managed by overseers who view all as nothing more than mechanical parts that can be replaced. It’s fucking grim."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\nYou are stupid."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>the church is empty\n>billions must die"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>57\nI’m on year 8 of living under a \"temporary state of emergency”. Change that to\n>my madrassa has been shut down by the department of education\n>the Ummah has fallen. Millions must die\nAnd you would be on to something.\n\"Nos valeurs républicaines\" can suck my dick from behind."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>24\nIt’s true though. Good, honest, and intelligent people are aware of themselves and understand that your appearance is a reflection of yourself. Meanwhile, retarded, indulgent, and spiteful hambeasts lack the awareness to present good images of themselves. You 100% can and should judge people by how they look because they do have a lot of control over it. That’s why I do not take the opinions of fat people seriously."}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nCe n’est plus rigolo quand les barbus décapitent des prêtres et poignardent des femmes enceintes sur le train hein? Soudainement, bizarrement, les gauchistes se taisent et on n’entend plus que des murmures de leur part."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>60\nL’exception devient la norme. Vive la République! :^)"}, {"id": 62, "content": "..."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>>62\nIf Gauls and Franks were Nordic and most Frogs descended from them wouldnt every social class have Nordics anyway?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>32\nRather your own nobel to command you than a foreign alien from Paris."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased reactionary art"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe literally did nothing wrong."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>13\nBased"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>45\n>thinking you'll be living a better life\nThis is what everything thinks, obviously. No one wants a government he images to be worse than the ideal, lmao. It's funny how every liberal turns portrays himself as an anarchist when he starts punching right."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost people are not fans of the the Terror."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>69\nThats why most people need the terror."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>62\nTolkien was a Christian btw."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">God doesn’t exist"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">OP doesn't have a dildo in his ass\n\nProve it"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust because some Wikipedia article calls it a fallacy doesn't mean it's faulty reasoning."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou're doing it right now.\nThe default position is that the supernatural exists. You have to prove otherwise."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>unknown\nYou mean like with the existence of God?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYou currently have a supernatural dildo in your ass"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>>The default position is that the supernatural exists.\nThis is a false statement."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nCan you prove it's a false statement?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nYes, basically nobody in the physical sciences considers the existence of the supernatural to be the default. Even theologians put forth arguments for their respective religious beliefs for a reason."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI don’t need to. It is not necessary to argue against unsoldered claims."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nThen I'm afraid your claim that it's a false statement holds no water."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAtheists should just convert to agnosticism since they're so obsessive with treating the burden of proof as the bubonic plague"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\n>Even theologians put forth arguments for their respective religious beliefs for a reason.\nBy that logic, scientists putting forth arguments for their respective theories is an admission that their perspective is not the default one as well."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>don't believe in unicorns\n>\"Ummm source sweetie?\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\nThat's an appeal to authority and one you can't even back up. Serious physicists understand the limits of physics."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nOkay cool, now, do you have any evidence for your god?"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nUmm no it's your job to prove why you don't believe in my thing which means you have belief which means you're just like thiests which means you don't rely on evidence. Checkmate."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>7\nExplain the reasoning behind this thought.\n>No evidence\nPlenty of evidence, rewatch all of tv news published since the beginning of tv and you will see enough until the 2000s when censorship took a toll."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nLogic based evidence like we have for black holes. Our models predict a source like described by classical monotheism. Additional claims about the entity than that it exist and pre-exists everything we know including time require additional logic."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nOkay, then you have a supernatural dildo in your ass"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>6\nA dildo in the ass is a material phenomenon. Do you mean masturbatory? Humiliating? Both?\nI'll take it out, thanks."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nAnd how do you know those models are consistent with reality? Did you test them?\n\nBesides that these typical logical models can also prove the exact opposite, but that's besides the point"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nNo, this is a supernatural dildo. It's invisible, and you can't take it out. But it's in there, since you can't prove it isn't in there"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod exists"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nThe dildo in your ass exists"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\n>Did you test them?\nYes, logical causality can be demonstrated on a billiard table.\n>these typical logical models can also prove the exact opposite\nNo. Given a set of assumptions the same model emerges every time. That's the thing that makes logic useful. This wouldn't be \"beside the point\", if you don't understand how logic works that's the core of the issue.\nEverything obeys logical causality, it's what we use to model everything. Any time you use math or logic you're resting your statement on our models that predict something beyond logic, math and causality."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nProve it"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can prove it. There cannot be a being which can break the laws of logic. No omnipotence=no god. There, done."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>22\nHow do you people even think physics works? Our descriptions of the \"natural\" world always rest on fundamental elements we can't account for, they're just there, as if by magic. Even if we figure out fundamental forces completely what causes them to obey these specific rules were using to describe them? There's always a more fundamental question, always one more step if you try to account for everything logically, because the attempt is logically impossible."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>23\nCan't prove it doesn't exist. Can prove its location. It's a material phenomenon. To say it is supernatural (immaterial or contradicting our understanding of thhe world), you have to explain how. Explain what you mean by dildo, ass, and supernatural."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>28\nLogic says there has to be something that breaks the rules of logic, all logically coherent systems rest on axioms not described by the system."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>13\nMaybe so, but the underlying and justified assumption of all modern science is that magic doesn't exist. This is so for a very good reason, which is that attempts to cast magic spells or whatever you prefer to call it instead simply don't work. This is why the existence of the supernatural is not the default position."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>32\nIf it works it's not considered a spell anymore. That's not an honest distinction."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">creationcretins STILL fall for the teapot experiment"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>26\nUtter nonsense. There's even a well-known counter to this logic-deduction type sophistry, called the 'Atheist Liar's Paradox', it goes like this:\n\n>1. Theism is the only truth (axiom based on divine revelation, ground of all being, etc.)\n>2. By definition, any deviation from theism, no matter how slim, is a lie.\n>3. By definition, all atheists deviate from theism.\n>4. Therefore, all atheists are liars, and always will be (2 and 3).\n>5. Therefore, it's impossible for an atheist to convert to theism, since they're always lying. (4)\n>6. Therefore, there's no such thing as theism, since, following propositions 4 and 5, theists are just atheists who are all lying to themselves and those around them.\n>7. Therefore, proposition 1 is false.\n>8. Furthermore, proposition 1 is also false if proposition 2 is false.\n>9. Furthermore, proposition 1 is false, if proposition 3 is false (8).\n>10. Furthermore, proposition 1 is false, if proposition 4 is false (9).\n>11. Furthermore, proposition 1 is false, if proposition 5 is false (4).\n>12. Furthermore, proposition 1 is false, if proposition 6 is false (5).\n>13. Therefore, proposition 7 is false."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nThe teapot has nothing to do with the arguments classical monotheists make and it undermines thought about the difference between what is logically possible and what is not. The imagined teapot is obeying all the rules so it exists in a possibility space relevant to human thought. The dildo in your ass is symbolic."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>35\nIt's hard to imagine you can think clearly about any subject.\nYou made up a nonsense model by starting with nonsense premises. What did you think would happen? What do you think you're demonstrating here?\nCan you please explain what's going through your mind? What part of my post is nonsense? Quote relevant parts.\n>Given a set of assumptions the same model emerges every time\nLike in your retarded example. Given all the retarded assumptions the same retarded conclusions emerge every time."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>36\nNo, natural perfectly formed teapots orbiting the sun before rocketry was invented do NOT “obey all the rules”"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nIt's just an idea of a form in space. We can go put a teapot in the place described."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>37\n>You made up a nonsense model by starting with nonsense premises.\n\nIt's almost like this is some kind of analogy for some other situation exactly like this or something"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>40\nWhat is it analogous to? Some people are retards and don't know how to use logic therefore any attempt made at appealing to logic can be dismissed?\nYour retarded example demonstrated my point about any conclusion needing assumptions, eventually you have to defer to assumptions that are not logically grounded in any model. In physics the models now assume the existence of the apparent fundamental forces and then we can describe everything else."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis has been refuted by Russell’s teapot, the FSM and pretty much applying the “prove X doesn’t exist” to anything. Unless you have an accessible and specific location to thoroughly search then proving anything *doesnt exist* is basically impossible"}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nIs it really the case that \"atheists\" are people that can't imagine things that aren't physical and have no location? Where is math?"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nI’ve never heard of a religion that doesn’t involve a deity that can physically appear in reality and/or interfere with it to alter things within our reality beyond just cause and effect."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\nOkay then, so can an atheist tell the truth if he doesn't accept the existence of a god? If not, is it possible for him to convert, if his confession is another lie? And if this is the case, are there any theists to begin with?"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nYou've never heard of anything. Your entire mind is memes and you work hard to keep it that way. You've never even glanced at any classical monotheism but still rant about it as if you did because of internet memes.\n>>45\nWhat the fuck are you talking about retard? Given the retarded assumptions you made some retarded model that may be full of retarded holes emerges. You really don't understand anything about anything?"}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nIf an axiom is atheists always lie then the profession of conversion is a lie.\nThis is how logic works, if x then y. What don't you understand?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\n>You've never heard of anything. Your entire mind is memes and you work hard to keep it that way. You've never even glanced at any classical monotheism but still rant about it as if you did because of internet memes\nSeems a little weird to get this worked about at atheists if you only believe in non-religious classical monotheism.\nYou don’t believe Jesus Christ is Lord?"}, {"id": 49, "content": "Most atheists or at least a huge portion of them say they don’t believe in gods or at least don’t make the stance that god 100% does not exist"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\n>if you only believe\nMy beliefs are irrelevant to your inability to conceive of different perspectives. The world being filled with mindless retards like you makes me angry. It's not that we disagree on some reasonable point that could be argued back and forth, you're unable to think at all.\nYou need to make this about my \"beliefs\" because you have no clue how to begin to think logically."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nIf you accept the simple logic classical theists present then all the atheist memes don't apply anymore. Now you can start following the monotheist conversation, now we know this entity exists, what is it like? Knowing it entirely is inherently logical impossible but there must be some implied directives in its creation, implied directives like valuing life.\n>>unknown\n>So, how can there be theists, then?\nThere can't be in this retarded model. Your assumptions are retarded like I said 50 times."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nNo it isn't. If it is, debunk the Atheist Liar's Paradox. If you can't, you logically demonstrate that you're yourself a liar, and therefore an atheist, thus proving my point"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>35\n>any deviation from theism, no matter how slim, is a lie.\nHow does this follow from premise 1?"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\n>No it isn't.\nWhat isn't?\n>deboonk\nI explained what you're doing in detail many times. What don't you understand?\nGiven the axiom that atheists always lie then by fucking definition they can't say anything true. You defined the random retarded premise.\nIf all cars are horses then any given Volvo is a horse.\nYou think this means logic demands Volvos are horses? What's wrong with your brain? The premise is simply retarded, defining cars as horses is not helpful."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>50\nUh huh, so you don’t believe Jesus Christ is Lord?\n\n>>51\nI don’t deny the logic of classic theism, seems perfectly reasonable. The problem is that when I criticize Christian beliefs, I get called an atheist even though I’m not one, so I now treat “atheist” on this board as “secular” because that’s what the Christians have made the conversation about.\nAll that being said, Christianity does not seem to adequately describe God. The creation story is wrong and God being a passive 30 year old virgin who gives away all his money does not seem like the type of life God designed us for.\nIt seems much more like one of the Roman Near Eastern cults that got out of hand"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>53\nDo you understand the meaning of the word 'only'?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>because that’s what the Christians have made the conversation about\nYour circle of Christian retards and even more retarded anti-Christian memes don't represent what \"Christians have made the conversation about\". Nothing you say relates to any Christian history or anything worth thinking about, just local American retard shit.\nThe Bible is the most complete remnant we have of pre-historic thought that also influenced the Greeks and everyone else. It represents important stages of thinking that lead to your worldview even if you're an \"atheist\".\nWhenever you take on the role of vessel of truth, no matter how temporarily you're embodying the Logos. Christ lived a life that in its totality points to and embodies life-giving truth that challenges the authority of violence, death and Satan."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\n>Given the axiom that atheists always lie then by fucking definition they can't say anything true.\n\nOk great, so you admit defeat, and admit that the Atheist Liar'sParadox is valid. I accept your apology"}, {"id": 59, "content": "God exists"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>59\nThere is a metaphysical dildo in your ass right now"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>58\nWhy are you like this? Why don't you care about thinking or finding things out?\nEven in your braindead \"paradox\" the atheist can convert before saying anything so when he professes his faith he's not an atheist anymore.\nEverything about this \"paradox\" is braindead, it demonstrates nothing about anything. Anyone who believes any of these premises is an idiot and anyone that came up with this convoluted shit is an even bigger idiot."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>60\nWeird fantasy you have, please keep it to yourself sodomite"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\n>Even in your braindead \"paradox\" the atheist can convert before saying anything\n>convert\n>before saying anything\n\nLol how does that even make sense. Typical lie, from an atheist of course\n\n>so when he professes his faith he's not an atheist anymore.\n\nBut he's an atheist, and therefore always lying. He usn't actually converting, he's just telling you he is"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\nHey, it's not my ass with a metaphysical dildo in it.\n\nFaggot"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>63\nwhy can't he sincerely convert internally without telling you anything"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nThen how would we know it's sincere, and not actually him lying to himself, Pascal's wager-style?"}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\n>how would we know it's sincere\nUs knowing it's sincere is a different question. He's not an atheist anymore even if we don't believe him.\nThis is all extremely basic logic, always the same thing and you never seem to get it, if x then y."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>67\n>He's not an atheist anymore even if we don't believe him.\n\nSo if someone tells you eating dogpoop is healthy, you accept that too?"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nFuck off retard."}, {"id": 70, "content": "Yahweh being omnipotent is jew headcanon and actual biblical text suggest all he can do is make stars at his highest level of power"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>Proposition 1: Dogpoop is healthy\n\nTrue or false?"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>70\nAll potential comes from God. Anything possible is possible by and through God."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>71\nError: undefined context."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nHow do you know that's true? God may actually be Satan, and may be lying to you"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>12\n>Atheists should just convert to agnosticism\nAgnostics are already atheists."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>17\n>it's your job to prove why you don't believe\nno evidence\ndone"}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>74\nBecause all expressions of potential are describable using logic up to a point which it all derives from. The label we gave the point is God."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">You can't 100% prove god doesn't exist!\n>Therefore this hastily cobbled together and poorly edited religious text that blames a talking snake for kids dying of cancer is 100% true"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nIn the Hebrew context they were polytheistic, then put their wargod highest. Later around the time when classical monotheism was emerging they identify their wargod with the God of universal law. Like in science rough models are refined over time."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>39\nWhy? There's already one there."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>78\nThe talking snake was Satan, Anon..."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>76\nWhere's the evidence we need evidence?\n>>79\nThis is atheist fanfiction"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>80\nIt's not physically manifested there. In my AR telescope it's there.\nBecause of how much people have talked about it and represented it over the years it kind of exists more than most potential things, it's physically represented in both our brains. The structures of the physical world have a lot of patterns pointing to a form that's not physically there."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>81\nImagine telling uncontacted tribals that the REAL reason their kid died of measles is because god turfed the first humans out of paradise because they were deceived by a talking snake lol"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>82\n>This is atheist fanfiction\nIt's history. The thing that made Israel successful is their sincere scholarship which allowed them to refine their models, by the precedent Moses gives early on."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>33\nAnon, come on now, you know what I meant when I said magic. People discovering( or rather, claiming to discover) new aspects of physical reality isn't the same, because their ideas have to stand up to scientific scrutiny.\n\nYou simply don't get this process outside of the hard sciences, which is why the social sciences tend to be looked down on, sometimes unfairly and sometimes not."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>84\nThere's a curse upon sin? Woah, that's unbelievable"}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\nIt's fiction"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>15\nBreh there's a reason why most modern scientists don't believe in any sort of deity outside of maybe a deist creator god or goddess. The reason being that the concept of a theistic deity and various supernatural happenings don't stand up to skeptical scrutiny."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\n>people find my bronze age jewish fairytale silly?\nWoah"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>32\n>justified\nHow?\n>This is so for a very good reason, which is that attempts to cast magic spells or whatever you prefer to call it instead simply don't work\nIf they \"worked\" in a scientifically describable way, they wouldn't be magic\n>This is why the existence of the supernatural is not the default position\nThe existence of the supernatural is the only position because naturalism is incoherent."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>89\n>The reason being\nSin"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>82\n>Where's the evidence we need evidence?\n\nAllah told us"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>92\nYou're retarded and glib replies like this just make you look even more retarded."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>94\nHow is that glib? Why are you so mad? I think if atheism had any intellectual merit atheists would be capable of making rationally compelling, logically coherent arguments, instead of constantly venting aggression and ridicule in its place.\n>>unknown\nThis does not answer anything I said"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>unknown\nIt's not coherent because the atheist who converts is no longer an atheist and therefore is no longer telling nothing but lies"}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>86\n>You simply don't get this process outside of the hard sciences\nBut things happen that the hard sciences can't model. Subjective experience is \"magic\", logic is \"magic\", everything is magic, only a small portion of what happens is modelled by natural science.\n>>88\nWhy? Present an alternative. Everything is \"divinely revealed\" from the start? Then what's even the point of all the stories describing the process of discovery?\n>>89\nThere's a reason most scientists aren't like your caricature of Christians based on American memes. The theologians and Christian scholars that shaped our thinking weren't either. The atheist position isn't more reasonable, it's just \"no\", a refusal to even attempt to engage with some hard questions. Like how does a cold, dead process produce things like love? Yes, chemicals etc but the chemical interactions don't predict the subjective experience. You like everyone have barely a clue what's happening, there's an ancient tradition attempting to figure it out which you glanced at and just said \"no\" without adding anything."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>95\nYou haven't posted a single compelling argument, all you can do is post glib replies as the other anon said"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is proven by the impossibility of the contrary. Anything else?"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>unknown\nCan you explain what you think it means? What does it demonstrate and why? Your posts are like white noise."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>98\nThat's nice.\n>>97\n>Present an alternative\nThe Old Testament narrative."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>96\nAnd how do you know that he's actually converted, and isn't just lying to you?\n\nOnce again, the ALP wins again. I accept your apology"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>57\n>Your circle of Christian retards\nLiterally talking about people on this board"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>102\nIt doesn't matter if I know it or not if it's true in reality. But I would know it because he would bear the fruits of the Spirit."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>101\n>The Old Testament narrative.\nDescribes flawed people refining their model of God over time. Which is what I described in modern terms. Where's the contradiction?"}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>105\nThe contradiction is between the claim the OT narrative is true simultaneous with the claim the OT narrative is not true"}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGovernment Of Democracy (GOD) doesn't exist.\n\nIt's a Republic!"}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>100\nDon't play dumb, please. The ALP, which has so far been demonstrated to be literally flawless, shows beyong any reasonable doubt that, because atheists always lie, converting to theism isn't actually possible,and that therefore, theism is just a bunch of atheists lying and pretending.\n\nSo that's it, pretty much. Theism has been defeated forever, and God is dead forever."}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>103\nSo when you use the word \"Christianity\" on a board about history what you really mean is internet memes."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>97\n>>But things happen that the hard sciences can't model.\nNo they don't.\n>>subjective experience\nBrain chemicals.\n>>logic\nBrain chemicals.\n>>The atheist position isn't more reasonable.\n\"The atheist position\" is the position that says that magical woo bullshit isn't real. Most people honestly agree with it, they just make exceptions for the woo they grew up with or like for some other reason.\n\n>>Like how does a cold, dead process produce things like love? Yes, chemicals etc but the chemical interactions don't predict the subjective experience.\nHow pair-bonding works is well understood by science, even if we don't understand the particulars of how everyone will react to that pair-bonding yet."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>12\nAtheism and agnosticism are compatible, often people are both, unless they are r3dditors."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>82\n>Where's the evidence we need evidence?\nThe evidence is that I need to see evidence for something before I even begin to form a belief in it. The question was about proving why I don't believe something."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>104\nYes, but that is most likely fake. Remember, all atheists are liars, and therefore, all 'theists' are just lying to give you the impression that they're theists, when in fact, they're not"}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>107\nthere's no \"Government of democracy\" (God) either."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>108\nConverting does not require saying anything (which means it cannot be \"a lie\" in and of itself or at least it is capable of not being one) and men naturally believe in God including a great many who were raised in the Church and were born again prior to learning language (which means no conversion was necessary because they never were an atheist in the first place)"}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>108\n>because atheists always lie\nEvery step is retarded but why would you assume this is true?\nThere surely also must be some implied limit to this or every action they take is also a lie. So when an atheist shits on the floor it didn't really happen so I don't need to clean it up.\nIf it only applies to speech then they can sign their profession of faith."}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>113\nIt is most likely not fake if the bible is true, which is an assumption of the scenario\n>>112\nWhy do you need evidence?"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>56\nYes, but lie is the denial of truth, not a slight deviation.\nCatholics believe there are bits of the eternal truth in other religions, but its plenitude is in Christianity. This is the reason behind the syncretism of pagan practices."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>115\n>Converting does not require saying anything\n\nSo you assume that everyone is a theist regardless? Why are theists so busy evangelizing,then?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>117\n>Why do you need evidence?\nNot him but I just want to point out you asking this means you don’t have evidence. People who have evidence for their beliefs don’t go down the “who even needs evidence maan” road when challenged"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>107\nRepublic comes from Latin, res publica, meaning thing of the people. Democracy comes from Greek and means rule of the people. They mean the same thing. They just come from different roots."}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>116\n>Every step is retarded but why would you assume this is true?\n>>35\n>1. Theism is the only truth (axiom based on divine revelation, ground of all being, etc.)\n>2. By definition, any deviation from theism, no matter how slim, is a lie.\n>3. By definition, all atheists deviate from theism.\n>4. Therefore, all atheists are liars, and always will be (2 and 3)."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>4\nHe didn't say god exists, he says atheists need to prove their assertion that god does not exist\nThe neutral position here is agnosticism"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>117\nSo the Bible doesn't say that theism is the only truth, then?"}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>112\ni don't believe that you don't believe unless you prove that you don't believe then i will believe that you don't believe so prove it or gtfo"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>117\n>Why do you need evidence?\nBecause I might believe something exists when it doesn't and that could possibly cause me to make bad life decisions. I want a good life. This usually requires that I make good decisions based on good information."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>110\n>No they don't.\nI see, so you're an actual example of an absolutely brainwashed idiot unable to step out of his own conditioning even hypothetically.\n>Brain chemicals.\nDon't explain anything, they describe in what situation the phenomena is expressed, the phenomena itself can not even be measured by anyone but you.\n>Brain chemicals and logic\nIncoherent handwaving bullshit. Brain chemicals don't dictate the behaviour of billiard balls.\n>is the position that says that magical woo bullshit isn't real\nAnd \"magical woo bullshit\" is defined as stuff you don't like. You have your own \"woo\" you defer to but just pretend it's categorically different. Brain chemicals just do produce subjective, there's nothing to think about beyond the dogma.\n>pair-bonding\nNot the question. The sense of experience is not needed to reinforce the behaviour of the organism."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>121\nPlease don't encourage one of the resident schizos"}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>125\nBut I don't care what you believe."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>11\nThe claim that the supernatural existing is the default also holds no water."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>unknown\nAnyone repeating the memes is a product of the \"atheist\" movement.\n>>122\nWhat are you trying to say retard? Is it true because you said it's true?"}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>129\nthen why are you here femboy? your hobby is trooning for dates?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>106\nWhat part did I say was not true? I suspect your understanding of it does not reflect the truth well which is a different claim."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>120\nThis is called an internal critique. But no, we don't need evidence because knowledge of God is a priori, properly basic and incorrigible. Note there is a difference between not having evidence and not needing evidence.\n>>123\nThere is no \"neutral position\", Dirk. I thought you read Van Til?\n>>110\n>Brain chemicals.\nThis is a contradiction in terms because subjective experiences only exist in the experience of a subject. This is true by definition. You feel, you see, etc etc. these are subjective because they are only going on in you. On the other hand brain chemicals are objective, they exist independently of subjects, if you view man in a third person way, the brain chemicals simply exist and in a position in space no less. They do not need a mind to exist. This is contradictory.\n>Brain chemicals.\nIf logic is brain chemicals then logic is not brain chemicals because there is no real law of non contradiction which true propositions obey."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>131\nIs theism, according to the Bible, not the only correct truth, then?\n\nBecause that's what you have to assume to debunk the ALP, which will then naturally lead to atheism.\n\nLooks like your puny 'god' is in quite a pickle. I bet you feel a little silly right now"}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>126\nIs evidence the only way to know things?"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\nI have read van til. It's neutral even if it is nonsensical in the final analysis. I don't go as far as van til in presuppositionalism"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI just don’t believe in religious gods but would believe in one or more of them if one of the believers could prove they were real."}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>132\nTo kill time and play with the minds of christcucks."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">God is real\n>trannies are women\n>6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust\nAll equally founded statements"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>135\nLet's say theism is true.\nLet's also say all truth comes from God.\nThis doesn't imply people that deny these two truths can't say or believe true things. Why would it? What are you talking about?\nIf I define x as 5 and ask an atheist to read the definition does it become invalid? Is x no longer 5 because the atheist said it is?"}, {"id": 142, "content": ">>136\nI can't think of a better way, except maybe indigenous ways of knowing."}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>136\nIf things are real outside our head? Yes. Not him btw"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>137\nIt's not neutral because its presuppositions are not neutral. The only place you'll find a man without any presuppositions is a graveyard. Also, agnosticism as you seem to be thinking of it does not exist even in principle. Agnosticism is the claim that it is impossible to know God exists even if He does, this is even more positive of a claim than standard atheism. When people claim to be open to the existence of God this is called soft atheism, which is still a form of atheism and still denies the existence of God."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>139\ngood answer. good answer. i'm going to be watching you. lol"}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>141\n>Let's say theism is true.\nLet's also say all truth comes from God.\nThis doesn't imply people that deny these two truths can't say or believe true things.\n\nThat is, in fact, exactly what that implies. It literally follows logically from the premises you give here.\n\nI'm afraid that the only god in your life right now is the ALP. The Atheist, the Liar, and the Paradox, amen"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>142\nWhat is that\n>>143\nOk, so is there any evidence that evidence is the only way to know things?"}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Atheist pedo jews who spam /his/ still don't have a basic understanding of logic or what is special pleading."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>146\nAnon I think you need to take your meds"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>147\nIt's the way indigenous people (not in Europe) know things."}, {"id": 151, "content": ">>146\n>It literally follows logically from the premises you give here.\nJust try to explain yourself even a little bit. What the fuck are you talking about? Why would it follow?\nLet's say all math statements come from math.\nIf I say I reject math and then say 2+2=4 is the statement now false? 2+2 is not 4 because a math heretic said so?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>149\nNo, I think you need to accept that the ALP has utterly defeated your god, and that your beliefs have been demonstrated to be a sham."}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>144\nIn the final analysis it's without legitimate grounding but the fact remains not claiming god exists or doesn't does not bear any burden of proof"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>153\nClaiming it is impossible to know even if God exists does. And you're still ignoring the role of presuppositions, which need not be stated explicitly"}, {"id": 155, "content": ">>147\nWhat other way are you proposing to know that things are real? And be specific."}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>112\nBy that metric, the existence of religions is already evidence of the supernatural."}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>155\nDivine revelation."}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>31\nlogic is pretty fucking solid, seeing as logic gates enable us to talk right now. I think Western logicians got it right."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>151\n>>Let's say theism is true.\n\nAnd theism is belief in the One, True God.\n>>Let's also say all truth comes from God.\n\n\"All truth comes from God\". This means that if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in truth. It would be like claiming you can have leaves of a tree without the tree itself. Therefore:\n>This doesn't imply people that deny these two truths can't say or believe true things.\n\nis by definition complete nonsense"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>130\nExcept when you examine human cultures, past and present."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>154\n>Claiming it is impossible to know\nYou're shifting the argument\n\nAbstaining from a judgment is not the claim that it is impossible to know something\n\nIf there is a neutral position in the issue of theism, it is neither theism nor atheism"}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>159\n>This means that if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in truth.\nNo it doesn't but lets add it as an axiom anyway.\nLet's say if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in truth.\nYou can still make true statements. 2+2 is still 4 when you say it.\n\nYou're not actually serious with this shit? Do some logic exercises for children."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>161\nThat is what agnosticism is by definition. That's what the word means.\n>If there is a neutral position in the issue of theism\nThere is not. If one claims they are neutral towards God's existence they are presupposing it is possible for God to not exist, which presupposes that there are truths which can be true independently of God. This we deny, which means it is not neutral. For the believer every fact is a created fact, for the unbeliever every fact is an uncreated fact."}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>159\nThe sun rises and sets for both the just and the unjust. Rain falls for all as well. Why would it be different with truth?"}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn this thread a bunch of anons too terrified to ask this in a muslim community."}, {"id": 166, "content": ">>156\nSomeone else believing something is not evidence for that something."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>165\nGood thing christians are giant pussies with a victim complex, we can make fun of their cult and all they'll do is cry and try more apologetics."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>166\nWhat about everyone believing something?\nIt also applies to morality btw."}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>145\nYou forgot, \"I like the way you think.\""}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>165\nStrange that you zeroed in on muslims for the lazy gotcha instead of, i dunno, hindus or buddhists"}, {"id": 171, "content": ">>157\nWhat the fuck is that"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJesus Christ! I've only saw it once!"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>158\nNonsense anon, you should abandon logic and be Christian just like us"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">>171\nIt means they made it up we're supposed to take them seriously.\nAlso checked those quads."}, {"id": 175, "content": ">>171\n>seen"}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>171\n>>174\n>no arguments"}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>176\nI don’t even know what it is, I’m asking what he personally is talking about"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>177\nThe Lord God condescending from heaven to bestow information upon man."}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>178\nThis is, by far, the dumbest thing I've ever seen written on 4chan. And I've been here since 2004"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>155\nPersonal revelation like you used to decide that evidence is useful and truth is valuable."}, {"id": 181, "content": ">>168\nMorality isn't true or false."}, {"id": 182, "content": ">>180\nThose aren’t assessments as to whether things exist those are value judgments. Is this a cryptic way of saying they Christianity is valuable to you even though you don’t have proof the god is real?"}, {"id": 183, "content": ">>182\n>Those aren’t assessments as to whether things exist\nSure they are but they're also more fundamental, believing truth exists and can be revealed to you is necessary to start making any claims about it. You appeal to the idea of truth to decide whether things exist. I think of this as an evolved sense like your sight but that idea rests on a million assumptions, it's built up from fundamental assumptions and revelations like the one I'm trying to explain with the idea."}, {"id": 184, "content": ">>179\nDoes it make you cry?"}, {"id": 185, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Vishnu doesn’t exist"}, {"id": 186, "content": ">>183\n>Sure they are but they're also more fundamental, believing truth exists and can be revealed to you is necessary to start making any claims about it\nYour buddy claims he has a red car and he shows up with a red car with his name on the registration. That’s truth. I didn’t need to pre-suppose truth exists, it’s just a word for when words correspond to reality."}, {"id": 187, "content": ">>183\nBrother your god appears visibly in the Bible multiple times and interferes with reality. He is even capable of answering prayers where he can interfere in everyday machinations of reality on your behalf.\n\nIf this god is real you would be able to prove it beyond this sophist navel gazing. Prove it or accept the completely reasonable position of just not believing this ancient mythology."}, {"id": 188, "content": ">>181\nThen why do you care? You're habing thia discussion trying to impose your views on people. Why do you care?"}, {"id": 189, "content": ">>44\n>I’ve never heard of a religion that doesn’t involve a deity that can physically appear in reality and/or interfere with it to alter things within our reality beyond just cause and effect."}, {"id": 190, "content": ">>189\nThis goes both ways though."}, {"id": 191, "content": ">>189\nOkay so which religion has a god that never appears in reality and can’t interact with it?"}, {"id": 192, "content": ">>110\n>muh brain chemicals reductionism"}, {"id": 193, "content": ">>130\n>the supernatural existing is the default also holds no water\nthat’s why it’s holy water"}, {"id": 194, "content": ">>192\n>muh ghost in the machine\n>that for some inexplicable reason experiences severe personality changes due to head trauma, brain tumors..."}, {"id": 195, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHail Satan"}, {"id": 196, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>God doesn't exist\n\nbut He does"}, {"id": 197, "content": ">>unknown\nAre you incapable of speaking?"}, {"id": 198, "content": ">>197\n>red herring\n>ad hominem"}, {"id": 199, "content": ">>198\n>homer simpson\n>smiling politely"}, {"id": 200, "content": ">>unknown\nI’m not demanding anything. There is no religion that features a god who can’t interfere with reality or appear in reality.\nI asked you in case I was missing one and you don’t have one."}, {"id": 201, "content": ">>186\n>I didn’t need to pre-suppose truth exists\nYou presupposed a million things, like coherence and the existence of truth. That it comes naturally to you and you think it's obvious just reiterates the point that it's an evolved sense you're not conscious of."}, {"id": 202, "content": ">>187\nGod appears visibly every day. You don't accept it now like you wouldn't accept it back then. You would work to avoid understanding like you do now. There's nothing reasonable about your position focused on undermining our understanding of history."}, {"id": 203, "content": ">>200\n>There is no religion that features a god who can’t interfere with reality or appear in reality.\nAnd no such idea was presented, you dishonestly creep in qualifiers like \"can't\" to make sure nobody can think about anything clearly. In the Christian tradition there's a long standing debate about if divine intervention is even a thing at all. If they are they may still be interventions set up from the start. A timeless entity interacting in time as if it's a temporal creature makes no sense."}, {"id": 204, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhow can you say He doesn't exist when He literally lives rent free in your head"}, {"id": 205, "content": ">>198\n>Christians pretending to care about logical fallacies\nLmao"}, {"id": 206, "content": ">>203\n>In the Christian tradition there's a long standing debate about if divine intervention is even a thing at all.\nI’ve been a practicing, church-going Catholic and a Protestant and I’ve never been to a single church where God is not capable of interacting with or appearing in reality."}, {"id": 207, "content": ">>9\n>Yes, basically nobody in the physical sciences considers the existence of the supernatural to be the default\nThey were never trained too and dont understand the arguments and proofs by design so this isnt a surprise and means nothing though you appear to think it does for some reason."}, {"id": 208, "content": ">>9\nTheir entire worldview and even their scientific discipline is built on top of a given that is fallacious from jump and a religion itself"}, {"id": 209, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOk so Santa Claus is real until proven otherwise."}, {"id": 210, "content": "You're telling me there's a god? Where? I don't see im"}, {"id": 211, "content": "All that talk and not one atheist can disprove God. Embarrassing."}, {"id": 212, "content": ">>35\n6 is massive logical leap, and has no causal relation to 4 and 5 lol."}, {"id": 213, "content": ">>205\n>red herring\nI'm not religious. I’m calling out poor arguments."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown\n>>unknown\nNo"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nMen like to sex children. Women look like children"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nIs this nasty whore wishing every man would try to rape her?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Men like to sex children\nWhy"}, {"id": 5, "content": "This is all that needs to be said."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n1 fatty fetishist, its like claiming everyone was a footfag because they saw Tarantula's movies"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>no evidence to suggest a man carved this\n>no evidence to suggest a man carved this as a sexual object"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nFemale magic like seduction."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nThe natural state of Man is to crave more, to crave bigger. It is therefore natural to crave bigger women"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "can people be actually transgender? i mean that they were literally born in a wrong body or are they just delusional and it isn't possible. i am genuinely curious what do you have to say about this and i don't have a opinion on this subject myself"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">i mean that they were literally born in a wrong body\nthey are the body. whats up with pederasts and supernatural nonsense?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>are they just delusional and it isn't possible\nThis.\nThey may think they were born in the wrong body, and may attempt to rectify that by wearing different clothes, taking hormone replacements or undergoing surgery. But they will still be whatever they were born as. They won't switch over to being men or women, but will rather be masculine women or feminine men.\nResults may vary"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Trannys are freaks"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere is no proof whatsoever that gender dysphoria is innate."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat argument stems from the belief that the white genetic code has no flaws"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno such a thing as \"born in the wrong body\" biologically, but if they want to become SOCIALLY female and use female pronouns, so be it. only mayo /pol/tards care about it because they're losing the culture war and are as unhinged as ever\n\njust beware of white trannies in female spaces, unlike black / asian / spic trannies who are just homosexuals (straight PoC men are almost never trans), most white trannies are \"lesbian\" because STRAIGHT white men have a predisposition to troon out."}, {"id": 8, "content": "https://www.britannica.com/science/hermaphroditism\nYes, but not the way most think."}, {"id": 9, "content": "If you cut your balls off and flood your system with female hormones, you will eventually develop a female mind. Anything else is a low effort larp"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>t. zidovsky potkan"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>6\nWhat?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "No, they can't. The simple fact is that nature thrives by competition and cooperation between different kinds of lifeforms, and transgenderism is just part of the typical human urge to try and force two things together through violent means.\n\nThis has never worked and never will work, because nature is simply not set up this way. It would've been different if there wassome kind of environmental pressure that forces this naturally, but in this case, this is just some kind of man-made culturally motivated wishfulfillment, and not a necessity to survive"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>i mean that they were literally born in a wrong body or are they just delusional and it isn't possible.\nI mean, no? But that's not what transgender is. Transgender is someone who identifies as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth. Those people do exist.\n\nPersonally, I don't think anything comparable to \"being born in the wrong body\" is going on here. A trans woman (before taking HRT, or any surgeries) is just as male as any other male. There have been some studies that suggest they have a more female brain possibly from a mix up with hormones during pregnancy, it doesn't matter to me.\n\nA trans woman identifies as a woman, meaning they identify with the social category of woman and/or feel more comfortable with female secondary sex characteristics than male.\nThere's nothing wrong with that, and it's certainly not a delusion."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>>7\nA woman is something you are, not something you wear. Leftists really do think \"make-believe\" becomes reality."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIf you think woman has no other associations other than just vagene and booba you're a moran or just dense.\nThere's a whole social category of what women are expected to be in society.\nWomen are supposed to be motherly, great with children, wear \"feminine\" clothes like skirts, blouses, bikinis, etc, wear make-up, eye-liner. Women are expected to talk a certain way. Men and women have different accents even in the same dialect.\n\nIf this is purely a linguistic issue where you think gender must be a synonym for sex, then fine. But we need a word to describe the social category, the social roles which don't match up perfectly with sex.\n\nTrans women have taken on the social role, the gender identity if you will, of women. They are not female sexed, but they are women."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\ncuriously enough, white slavs are just like PoC men, only the GAY ones become trannies. straight PoC and straight slav men are normal\n\nstraight men becoming lesbians is mostly a WESTERN white man's affair. i have a theory, i think black men's superior masculinity and sexual prowess trigger AGP in anglo and white frog boys, so they troon out to avoid competing in the same sexual market"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>13\n>But that's not what transgender is\nYeah, but pretty much all of them still claim otherwise.\n>There have been some studies that suggest they have a more female brain possibly from a mix up with hormones during pregnancy\nThose studies show that this is also true for alot of homosexuals, i.e. trannies could have easily grown up to be regular faggots instead of men in dresses."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wad unironically born in a wrong body, my height should've been at least 6'6\", my Iq at least 160 and my dick at least 20 inches."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. No matter if you got fucked up the butt or neovag a million times, you cannot conceive because you have no womb or ovaries, sorry. Maybe someday science will advance enough to give you an artificial buttwomb so you can shit out an infant. Until then YWNBAW."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">being a woman means wearing a dress\n>also I’m into cuckshit btw\nLeftists really are full of surprises."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>Yeah, but pretty much all of them still claim otherwise.\nNot really. \"Born in the wrong body\" is not a scientific claim, it's an analogy used to try to explain what it means to be transgender.\nThere are some people who take it more literally, like so-called trans-medicalists who are big fans of the brain studies I mentioned. This viewpoint has been falling out of favor in the trans community and on the left.\n\n>Those studies show that this is also true for alot of homosexuals\nI don't take them too seriously, especially since the data is inconclusive. What matters is whether someone identifies as trans, not potential brain abnormalities.\n\n> i.e. trannies could have easily grown up to be regular faggots instead of men in dresses.\nLike I've mentioned earlier, you're making clear that this is not about a linguistic argument about what women means. You have a problem with someone who is male wearing a dress, acting feminine, and potentially physically changing their body."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>16\n>t. zidovsky potkan"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\nI have a problem with it because it is a dangerous and destructive mental illness which isn't innate, and therefore should absolutely NOT be encouraged and accepted by society, rather it should be prevented and cured.\nI already know of the whole \"gender is a social construct\" line of thought, and contrary to what you seem to presume, it is not something I completely disagree with. However, trannies do not fit into that narrative. They aren't merely feminine males, they are literally trying to become biological women with the surgeries and the hormone treatment because, according to them, they are females in male bodies (or vice versa)."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>according to them, they are females in male bodies (or vice versa).\nagain, that's a strawman in my view. I have rarely seen anyone argue that literally, and when I do it's usually more conservative trans people like Blaire White who support medical gate-keeping to prevent \"trans-trenders\" who aren't actually trans in their view.\n\n>I have a problem with it because it is a dangerous and destructive mental illness which isn't innate, and therefore should absolutely NOT be encouraged and accepted by society, rather it should be prevented and cured.\nWell the people who study the treatment of gender dysphoria disagree with you. Gender affirming care and social support of transition greatly improve trans people's mental health, while \"curing\" them by making them abandon their trans identity is shown to be just as harmful as gay conversion therapy. It doesn't cure it, it represses it, which is really bad for you psychologically."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nSelf ID is ironically controversial because of progressive views on gender. I know very little about the academic discourse on the topic, but in popular discourse there's support for non-disphoric trans people but at the same time a common view that I guess you could describe as naive gender abolitionism. The meme question arises from the tension between the two, which makes me think that oldschool transsexuals were on a stronger footing despite drastically lower social support."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>i mean that they were literally born in a wrong body\nIm an ugly bald manlet with a small chin, but I identify as a tall gigachad"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo other illness sees doctors declare the body is wrong and the mind correct"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nI unironically understood what they're about with regards to dysphoria when I started balding."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\n>but in popular discourse there's support for non-disphoric trans people but at the same time a common view that I guess you could describe as naive gender abolitionism.\nWhat tension is there between the two?\n\nGender abolitionism supports non-dysphoric trans people by saying those categories are ultimately meaningless."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nLet me tell you a story.\n\nSomeone I know was suicidal and attempted suicide by jumping out of an 8 story window. This was in Alaska in the winter so the snow managed to catch his fall, and he survived after a lengthy stay at the hospital.\n\nHis legs didn't work as well as before the fall, but he could walk. But he had major chronic pain issues stemming from the fall and could barely stand to walk anymore for long lengths of time.\nUltimately, the chronic pain led to him having his legs amputated, and he's much happier now with his prosthetics.\n\nThe brain/nervous system malfunctioned, even though physically his legs were perfectly fine, impaired, but still functional. He and his doctors still made a determination to amputate his legs because of his brain.\n\nSo yes, the mind is pretty damn important for medical decisions, particularly if you're talking about mental health disorders, like gender dysphoria."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nWhen you abolish gender, how do you identify with a gender? When we go back in the history of gender, you could ask anyone \"What is a woman?\" and beyond answers related to sex, you could get answers like \"someone who is nurturing\", \"someone who is gentle and modest\", \"someone who cooks for the whole family\", \"someone who takes care of the kids\" and so on. Obviously the answers could vary in different times and at different places, but the answers in one time and at one place would be quite consistent. And with that, it's easy to one see when they say \"I identify as a woman.\". But when you take those identifiers out of the equation, what does identifying as a woman even mean?"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's literally a mental illness. Hardware problem, bad wiring, circuits in the brain going haywire, etc. The brain is such a complex organ, it's no wonder that some people turn out to be absolutely fucking insane and weirdos.\nNote that defining mental illness boils down to societal expectations of what is normal (e.g. autistic people weren't seen as mentally ill before, just \"quirky\" or \"eccentric\"). Unfortunately our societies (e.g. European Union, Americas) have decided that being a self mutilating whackjob should no longer be listed as a mental illness, but rest assured this 100% is a result of a defective brain."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, transgenders are simply people who for whatever reason wish to look a certain way and want that to influence how others treat them, thats all it is"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>31\n>When you abolish gender, how do you identify with a gender?\nSocial categories traditionally associated with sex.\n\n>When we go back in the history of gender, you could ask anyone \"What is a woman?\" and beyond answers related to sex, you could get answers like \"someone who is nurturing\", \"someone who is gentle and modest\", \"someone who cooks for the whole family\", \"someone who takes care of the kids\" and so on\nLook up Third genders anon:\n>Most cultures use a gender binary, having two genders (boys/men and girls/women).[3][4][5] In cultures with a third or fourth gender, these genders may represent very different things. To Native Hawaiians and Tahitians, Māhū is an intermediate state between man and woman known as \"gender liminality\".[6][7] Some traditional Diné Native Americans of the Southwestern US acknowledge a spectrum of four genders: feminine woman, masculine woman, feminine man, and masculine man.[8] The term \"third gender\" has also been used to describe the hijras of South Asia[9] who have gained legal identity, fa'afafine of Polynesia, and Balkan sworn virgins.[10] A culture recognizing a third gender does not in itself mean that they were valued by that culture, and often is the result of explicit devaluation of women in that culture.[11]\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender\n\n>But when you take those identifiers out of the equation, what does identifying as a woman even mean?\nGender abolitionists think these categories are ultimately arbitrary and should be done away with. In practice, they still use those categories in every day life cause you can't just will them away.\n\nI'm not a gender abolitionist though. Here's my view:\nThe social categories are arbitrary. Woman is a social category traditionally associated with the female sex. That doesn't mean you have to be female to identify as a woman.\nJust like how Abdul is an arab name in origin, but there is no naming rule that says I cannot go by Abdul or name my child Abdul."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>13\n>Personally, I don't think anything comparable to \"being born in the wrong body\" is going on here. A\nBorn in the wrong body is absolutely something that used to be commonly said regarding transsexual feelings like 10 years ago.\nFor anyone who remembers life in the 2000s, this whole mania is extra bizarre because we always have had these people around, but they simply were so rare and under the radar that nobody cared much. The pushback stems from them suddenly becoming a thing EVERYWHERE"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>15\n>Trans women have taken on the social role, the gender identity if you will, of women. They are not female sexed, but they are women.\nBut then why do they try to imitate the female sex's secondary characteristics? That's the fucking issue.\nIf gender is detached from sex, what the fuck are the hormones and surgery for? Why do they get breast implants? Why do they try to alter their vocal chords? You can't pretend it's not related to sex when transitioning literally refers to physical sex alterations!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>7\n>if they want to become SOCIALLY female and use female pronouns, so be it\nThey want to pretend, I don’t want to. That’s like telling me to validate someone else’s religion just because\n."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\n>Born in the wrong body is absolutely something that used to be commonly said regarding transsexual feelings like 10 years ago.\nYes? Why does that matter? People's views change, and the language they use to describe things changes.\n\nWe used to view this as a purely medical phenomena, but we've come to see that gender expression is really a spectrum and not innately tied to biology or brain chemistry. You don't need a female brain to like the color pink or dolls."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>15\n>Women are supposed to be motherly, great with children, wear \"feminine\" clothes like skirts, blouses, bikinis, etc, wear make-up, eye-liner. Women are expected to talk a certain way. Men and women have different accents even in the same dialect.\nThis is getting very sexist, anon, you might want to rethink about what you’re saying or I’ll tell twitter about you."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>29\n>Abolish gender\n>Sex is all that's left\n>We literally just return to square 1 because 99.7% of the population are either XX or XY sex\n>Sexual differences persist in society because men are simply stronger ergo more suitable for jobs like soldiers and construction\nWow such progress"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>25\nIf you showed me a picture of this guy without telling me who he was I'd think he were a leftist"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>36\n>But then why do they try to imitate the female sex's secondary characteristics?\n> You can't pretend it's not related to sex\nIt is related to sex. My definitions:\n\nGender- social categories traditionally related to sex\nWoman- a social category traditionally associated with the female sex\n\nSocially, we assume that someone is a woman if we perceive female secondary sex characteristics. Put all gender dysphoria aside, if you want to be identified as a woman, if you aren't in a super liberal place you need to look like a biological female. If you don't, but wear traditionally female clothing, you're probably going to be harassed, or even assaulted.\n\nSociety really requires trans people to pass to have a hope of being accepted, and non-binary identities are often delegitimized.\n\nThat being said, gender dysphoria is a thing, and many people are just happier changing their secondary sex characteristics. I see no problems with that.\nBut you don't need hormones or any surgeries to be trans, I think we should encourage the idea that they're not necessary, but are available."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>38\n>You don't need a female brain to like the color pink or dolls.\nLiking pink is obviously sociological, but there's plenty of more subtle expressions of human behavior which are obviously tied to your sex/gender (which are still the same fucking word in my language).\nWhy do people think humans are exempt from the same pattern we observe in other intelligent mammals? Male Gorilla and female gorillas naturally behave in certain ways, male lions and female lions according to certain patterns, dogs do it, cats do it, chimpanzees do it, bears, etc.\nHumans arbitrarily are exempt from this? Hah! I've raised cows and bulls at work before, they're innately different in behavior, it's instinct."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>40\n>Sexual differences persist in society because men are simply stronger ergo more suitable for jobs like soldiers and construction\nI have no problem with this as long as society isn't legally or socially enforcing this by saying females cannot be soldiers."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>34\n>Social categories traditionally associated with sex.\nRight, but in a society that abolished genders they wouldn't be.\n>Look up Third genders anon:\nI don't think cultures that had more than two genders are entirely relevant in a discussion about an ideology that pursues the end result of having no genders.\n>The social categories are arbitrary. Woman is a social category traditionally associated with the female sex.\nI kind of agree, except that I think there probably is a biological component at play too.\nAnd given that you're not a gender abolitionist, your view is obviously not going to be at odds with what I outlined. The fact that gender is largely arbitrary alone isn't in any conflict with self ID, but when people start saying that there normatively ought not be gendered behaviours associated with the two sexes, that's a whole another can of worms."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>43\nI'm sure there are some difference. Testosterone and estrogen are associated with different behavioral traits.\nBut humans are much more socially complex than other animals. The vast majority of \"feminine\" or \"masculine\" social traits I see no reason why they would be rooted in biology, and often these traits are viewed as masculine in one culture, but feminine in another. Skirts are a great example of this."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>44\n>or socially enforcing this by saying females cannot be soldiers.\nThese legal enforcements are necessary in cases where they simply may be disruptive to group coherence and provide no benefit to the purpose of the organization (e.g. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439190586/marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units)\nWe can have a woman drone pilot because physical ability doesn't mean much here, but for grunts who gotta march and endure physical extremes (be it siege conditions, torture in captivity, carrying 60+ kilos, etc.)"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>38\n>You don't need a female brain to like the color pink or dolls.\nneither of which are neither necessary or sufficient to be a woman.\n\nlisten, you can act like a faggot and people will treat you like a faggot, because being a faggot is an ideology and a set of behaviors. A woman is something you are, or are not. What trannies want is for everyone else to participate in their fetish."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>45\n>The fact that gender is largely arbitrary alone isn't in any conflict with self ID, but when people start saying that there normatively ought not be gendered behaviours associated with the two sexes, that's a whole another can of worms.\nFrom the gender abolitionists arguments I've seen, I disagree. If you wanted to totally deconstruct and get rid of gender categories, the best way to do that is to try to make them arbitrary and individual.\n\nI don't think that is possible, but I'll support people with this viewpoint because it aligns with mine in the short term. It's too idealistic imo."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>39\nwhich is a real joke because the typical porn addled hyper aggressive tranny is about as far from \"motherly\" as one can conceive. My mom, the legendary gamer, hacker, body builder, and ex-navy seal LMAO"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\n>neither of which are neither necessary or sufficient to be a woman.\nwhich is not what I said. my point is that most \"feminine\" characteristics associated with women have nothing to do with biology. Woman is a social category with an amalgamation of associated characteristics and is not consistent.\nEven if you completely discount trans people, we still don't use woman = female 100% of the time. There are plenty of intersex women who have a mixture of both sexes' traits biologically, but we identify them as women, not 3/4 woman and 1/4 man, or as their own sex."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\n>The vast majority of \"feminine\" or \"masculine\" social traits I see no reason why they would be rooted in biology, and often these traits are viewed as masculine in one culture, but feminine in another. Skirts are a great example of this.\nThese are aesthetic differences which are social, yes, but I refer to more fundamental issues. Men being the designated cannon fodder for warfare is pretty much the standard everywhere, from the Yanomami to the Mongols to the USA today. Testosterone= Muscle = Fighting = Warrior is a pretty clear path. Likewise, women being assigned caretakers of children is pretty logical when it's women who have to carry the baby to term and it's women who have lactating breasts to feed the child.\nEverything that comes after this is just layers covering the ultimate root of these gender roles which stem from logical needs tied to physique"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>52\nThe issue is when you go from \"each sex tends to be better at each of these things\" to \"each sex must be this way\".\nWe don't need every male to be a buff super soldier and we don't need every woman to be a broodmare raising children. Hell, with formula we don't even need caregivers of babies and infants to be female."}, {"id": 54, "content": "“Transgenderism” unfortunately describes many different phenomena (which have in common expressing the gender role inappropriate for your sex). Some trannies have brains that were insufficiently androgenized (or much more rarely, a female may experience the opposite) - these, obviously, act as women or effeminate gay men, and most revealingly in their erotic preference. Rather than them having the wrong body, their body has the wrong ’them’. The misunderstanding is perfectly explicable - all trannies ipso facto value their expression and self-conception over any and all mores, their family’s comfort, pragmatism, (everything?) - they are egocentric to the point of depression.\n\nMost trannies have brain anatomy perfectly typical for their sex, excepting a pathological erotic obsession, the reversal of their gender expression and identity being just one facet thereof. These are identified by their apparently neurotic (typically autistic, or sociopathic) character, sexual perversion, and relatively late “gender transition”."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>49\nI think we're working with two different meanings of \"arbitrary\". For instance, gender was arbitrary in Victorian England in the sense that there was no real reason why men or women ought to act the way they did. However, these arbitrary expressions of gender were still very rigidly built around a binary view of gender.\nWith gender abolitionism, individual forms of expressions are arbitrary with regards to sex because the gender scaffolding simply isn't there anymore. What does it then mean to be a woman in a world where there isn't any set of behaviours associated with the female sex?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>51\n>Woman is a social category\nsort of like how \"food\" is also a social category to leftists lmao"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>55\n>What does it then mean to be a woman in a world where there isn't any set of behaviours associated with the female sex?\nI mean in that world it would cease to mean anything really. I don't think that's ultimately possible though and in practice gender abolitionists tend to support self ID, because it gets rid of the rigid, traditional tie between gender and sex."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nYes."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">the meaning of the word sex shifts to mean coitus\n>people begin using \"gender\" as a euphemism for sex\n>sociopathic jews make an entire ideology about how wearing a dress makes you a woman cause of words n stuff (you need a yiddisch kopf to understand)"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>57\nAnd that's exactly what I'm getting at, lol. How do you abolish gender without creating a society where there isn't any set of behaviours associated with the female sex? Gender abolitionism + self ID seems kind of schizophrenic to me."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nthis may be one of the dumbest greentexts I've ever read. to be expected from a human skin-colored pepe poster."}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nwearing a woman's uniform doens't make you a woman, rachel"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's possible that one or two people in the last 80,000 years were genuinely \"born in the wrong body\". Unlikely but possible. Most trannies just have some kind of mental illness and are susceptible to current thing syndrome"}, {"id": 64, "content": "I am so glad that I was born an “Arabic” speaker where every verb, noun, and adjective is either strictly masculine or strictly feminine. I am not confused about something as clear as daylight."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>24\n>I have rarely seen anyone argue that literally\nWhy, then, do they feel the need to get estrogen, tits, and a \"neo-vagina\"?\n>Gender affirming care and social support of transition greatly improve trans people's mental health\nNot so much for fully developed adults though, and leaving such a life-altering decision to a fucking child is inherently wrong.\n>while \"curing\" them by making them abandon their trans identity is shown to be just as harmful as gay conversion therapy.\nFact of the matter is plenty of people have been able to abandon it on their own, so there's no reason to think that it would be impossible to help them abandon it. Just because past attempts have been inadequate doesn't mean that all future attempts will be so."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\n\nhttps://www.britannica.com/science/gender-dysphoria\n\n>For gender-variant children, critics often argue that the diagnosis is too broad. Research on children diagnosed with GD suggests that they will most likely grow up to be gay or bisexual. Critics suggest that GD treatments for children focus too much on boys, that treatment may damage self-esteem, and that the distress that GD children exhibit is not inherent to their gender nonconformity but rather is a reaction to being stigmatized. Mental health professionals who support the diagnosis and treat GD children counter that their treatments help GD children to have better peer relations and thus bolstered self-esteem and that research indicates that GD children do exhibit forms of distress associated directly with their gender variance."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nYour point being?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>66\n>>24\n>>21\n>>13\nYOU WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>67\nCritics vs. Mental health professionals.\nI'm going with the professionals."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>unknown\nDo you think skin grafts are exclusively a bottom surgery thing?"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>70\nNo but this skin graft was because a woman wanted a penis"}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nAnd?"}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nAnd trannys are mentally ill freaks who willingly do this to themselves"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>69\n>Research on children diagnosed with GD suggests that they will most likely grow up to be gay or bisexual.\nYou're just going to ignore this bit?"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>73\nget a common procedure like a skin graft?\nIf anything this is a chad move, using your whole forearm worth of skin for a big donkey dick."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>72\ni just think like other fashion trends like tramp stamps or ear gauges it shouldn't be done to children or performed by doctors (as they take oaths to do no harm). Have your dick whacked off at a tattoo parlor but don't expect insurance to cover it."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nalso don't expect anyone else in society to believe you have transmuted into a woman through the kabbalistic magick of jewish alchemy."}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, transgender is a nonsense word that really has no legitimate meaning. Advocates of transgenderism usually draw a distinction between biological sex and gender by admitting that while there are only two biological sexes, gender is a social construct and exists on a spectrum.\n\nFollowing this logic, it is nonsense to connect biological sex to gender in the way transgender activists do, and it essentially renders the concept of gender irrelevant to the real world issues surrounding this. I.e. which bathrooms and sports teams should transgender people use? These are matters of biological sex, not gender. In conclusion, transgender activists are mentally deficient imbeciles who are being used as pawns by those who seek to distort reality to exert psychological control over the populace."}, {"id": 79, "content": "Dont care gonna keep injecting estrogen and growing fruits and vegetables"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>75\nYou retarded faggot. You will burn in hell with all the other soulless npcs. Have you ever lifted anything in your life? I fail to see how someone could be so devoid of an inner monologue as to pretend this Frankenstein shit is normal. The woman had her skin sliced off to the dermis going down to the elbow. This procedure has to be immensely painful and removing key parts of such an integral part of the human body (its limbs) would definitely have a negative impact on anyone's life. Not only that, you are purposefully crippling yourself. And for what? A fake penis? Anyone who endorses this needs to be gunned down"}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>75\n>damage control for disastrous injuries\n>common procedure that should be handed out like candy to mentally ill retards"}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt depends on definitions. It's a big semantic game.\nWhat is the \"wrong body\"?\nWhat is \"gender identity\"?\nI think the view that gender identity is completely separate from biological sex is retarded. I think it's extreme mental gymnastics. If a bio male thinks he's a woman, as gender identity, then how can he be sure that his definition of \"woman\" is the same as other trans womens'? If identity is decoupled from biology or anything physical, then it's literally meaningless because there's nothing to compare the definition to.\nFor trans people who feel like they should have a penis where there isn't one, or shouldn't have one where there is one, I think they're just mentally ill. The first group is just brainwashed, but there's nothing neurologically abnormal about them.\nThat's my view, anyway."}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, the entire tranny ideology is self-contradictory nonsense made up by a Jewish pedophile."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHey buddy, i think you got the wrong board\nThe Leather clubs 7 boards down"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>80\n>Not only that, you are purposefully crippling yourself\nby getting a skin graft?? the skin grows back anon. Jesus you're unhinged lmao."}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>15\nYour woman impersonation is retarded and cringe, btw"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>i mean that they were literally born in a wrong body\nNever go full retard."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThere are definitely people who have gender dysphoria. Whether they actually metaphysically are the gender they say they are is a meaningless question, because categories are a feature of the map, not the territory."}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>5\nIsn't the more relevant question what actually works to treat it/alleviate the patient's distress?\n>>9\nI believe there's some evidence that trans people are more likely to already have a neurological distribution typical of the opposite sex."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>86\nmy woman impersonation? lol, I'm a guy bro, and not trying to be a girl.\nWhat is it about you guys that makes you reflexively shout a version of YWNBAW every time you see a pro-trans argument?\nWhat if I'm a trans man and you are actually affirming my gender identity every time you say that?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>14\nRegardless of whether you think trans people metaphysically-are the gender they identify as (which is a meaningless question) gender dysphoria is certainly real.\n>>17\nHow does that follow? Maybe it's different kinds of neurological sex-atypicality.\n>>19\nSo infertile cis women aren't women?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>27\nSure, because that's the only thing that actually works to alleviate their distress.\n>>36\nBecause some people are distressed by their physical sex due to some peculiarity of how their brain developed.\n>>37\nNo one's asking you to affirm that trans women have ovaries or something, because they plainly don't. Placing someone in a different social category is not making a claim about physical reality."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>47\nThat marine study is from a society that does have normative gender roles. We don't know what it would look like in a society without them, where sex is considered as non-essential to who a person is as eye color."}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>48\nThe proposition that it's primarily driven by a fetish is something to be demonstrated, not assumed.\n>>54\nBlanchardianism is probably not entirely wrong but almost certainly not entirely right. I've observed things that I would very strongly expect not to observe if orthodox Blanchardianism were true.\n>>56\nBut it is? To us, cows are food, but to Hindus they aren't. To some tribes insects are food but to us they aren't."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>90\nYWNBAW\n>>76\nThat isn't a moderate position.\nIt's an entire industry.\nChildren shouldn't be flooded with tranny propaganda their entire lives and then agree to get chemically castrated until some arbitrary age.\nThey're never going to stop grooming children into tranny insanity until they're killed, and every single person involved in this industry deserves nothing short of capital punishment."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>59\n'Kopf' is German, that word's cognate in Yiddish is 'Kop'."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>95\nthanks for affirming my gender, king."}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>65\nSo you admit that being forced to go through the puberty of their natal sex is harmful to trans people but you still advocate it? You're a monster.\n>>76\nMinors aren't receiving surgery. At most they're receiving hormonal treatments, which is very much necessary if they do have gender dysphoria."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>91\n>Maybe it's different kinds of neurological sex-atypicality.\nWell they aren't, it's the same kind of neurological sex-atypicality."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>91\nThey actually don't identify as the opposite gender, because any meaningful definiton of that gender necessarily excludes them, because they are not, nor will they ever be the opposite gender, and will never have the experience of whatever it is they're claiming to identify as.\nThis is why tranny impersonations of their \"identified gender\" are always retarded; it's just based on a fetish."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>78\nEven 'only two biological sexes' is an oversimplification- there are a bunch of edge cases.\n>>83\nHe tried to reassign a boy as a girl after a botched circumcision because he thought gender identity is infinitely malleable. The fact he failed and the boy still ended up identifying as a boy is, ironically, evidence FOR the existence of innate gender identity."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>85\n>you're unhinged\n>retard believes men can be women and women can be men\nkek lmao"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>96\nyiddish is just german ebonics"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>101\nNo, it's evidence that you'll never be a real woman, while chemically castrating people and amputating their genitals unsurprisingly leads to suicide."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>95\nYou can't make a cis kid trans or a trans kid cis.\n>>99\nHow do you know?\n>>100\nAgain, the claim that it's based on a fetish is something to be demonstrated, not assumed."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\nHow does one determine what the objectively correct form of a language is? Is there some empirical test one can perform?\n>>104\nIf there's no such thing as gender identity why did the kid still end up deciding he was a boy? It's not like they told him."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>105\nThere's no such thing as \"trans kids\"."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>106\nBecause \"gender\" is a nonsense concept.\nHe was a boy because he was a boy"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>105\n>You can't make a cis kid trans or a trans kid cis.\npeople drop out of cults all the time anon. Just kick them off the internet for a month or so and without the \"support' of a bunch of insane online trannies they'll figure it out."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\nGender dysphoria is a thing that exists.\n>>108\nSo how did he realize that for himself when what he could observe about his own body would have said otherwise.\n>>109\nThen why were there people who were distressed by their sex and wished they could change it long before the Internet?"}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>97\nBased ftm destroying chudlets with superior logic"}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYeah I forgot this board was about OPs transgender fetishism."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>98\nYou know what's more harmful? Doing irreversible damage to a childs body because of the childs mental illness, only for that child to become sane as an adult."}, {"id": 114, "content": ">>110\n>Then why were there people who were distressed by their sex and wished they could change it long before the Internet?\nwhy was there an exponentially smaller number of them? There has also been people who believed themselves to be Napoleon before the internet; however if there were grooming circles and multibillion dollar lobbys encouraging this, you'd see a lot more little napoleons."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>110\nBecause his body didn't say otherwise, because that isn't possible. No part of \"transitioning\" actually makes it a girl's body, you're just chemically castrating them and amputating their genitals."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>101\nNo there are not “edge cases” you retard. There are genetic disorders that are incredibly rare. You absolute twat"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>105\n>How do you know?\nBecause it says so in every fucking study that has been done on the matter, look it up."}, {"id": 118, "content": ">>113\nWhy is it more harmful? Both are putting a kid through a puberty that's wrong for them and causes irreversible changes that distress them.\n>>114\nWere there? There was also a lot more social stigma in the past, it's understandable that would lead people to hide it, especially if the intensity of gender dysphoria isn't uniform.\n>>115\nYou know what I mean. Nothing he could physically perceive about his own body would have told him it wasn't female, even if in reality it wasn't. So how did he come to the conclusion he was a boy anyway?\n>>116\nSo what constitutes male or female?"}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>118\n>You know what I mean\nYou're making an idiotic assumption that chemically castrating a child and amputating their genitals makes it a \"girl's body\".\nIt doesn't.\nThat's how he knew he didn't have a girl's body.\nBecause he was a boy, therefore had a boy's body, albeit irreversibly mutilated by a jewish pedophile."}, {"id": 120, "content": "Listen up goyim, I AM A WOMAN! It is real... in my mind."}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>119\nI specifically said \"even if in reality it wasn't\". I'm not saying his body was actually female, I'm saying that it would have seemed to be on physical observation even if in reality it wasn't. Do you deny this?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>unknown\nWhat was the point of spending billions of dollars shoving trannyism into every aspect of public, governmental, and corporate life if you didn't want people to notice?"}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>118\n>Why is it more harmful?\nBecause one is insane and the other one is sane. Ideally you would want all kids to eventually grow up to be sane adults who are content with their natural bodies, and so it is better to let everyone keep their natural bodies."}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>121\nPhysically, it wasn't a girl's body, you absolute retard.\nYou realize that he was living in his body, right?\nHe wasn't playing with a dozen Photoshop filters and pounds of makeup in an attempt to trick people into thinking he was a girl \"on physical observation\", he was physically living in a boy's body, because he was a boy, therefore noticed he wasn't a girl."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\nThere's no organized conspiracy here, just social progress.\n>>123\nOkay but what about the kids who are incapable of being okay with their sex at birth.\n>>124\nYou know the differences between pre-pubescent boys and girls are not as extreme as those between adult men and women, right?"}, {"id": 126, "content": "Not going to spend the time reading through this entire thread, but this is not a question for /his/. They aren't ready for the natal hormone level brain development determinism pill."}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>125\nThere is an organized conspiracy, actually."}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>127\n\"rich white men\" are funding every single major social cause. Every political movement has wealthy donors. That's doesn't prove a conspiracy."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>127\nwe've seen the leaked GOP emails, you don't have to pretend anymore bud"}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>125\nNo kids are truely incapable of being okay with their natural sex as nobody is literally born in the wrong body."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>125\n>There's no organized conspiracy here, just social progress.\n\nthere is open conspiracies here, braindead coomer."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>130\nRegardless of whether it's metaphysically 'wrong', some people have distress about their sexed body that can be alleviated only by modifying it to resemble that of the opposite sex. This is a scientific fact."}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>130\nJust because I'm born with a big nose doesn't mean it's impossible for me to be uncomfortable with a big nose. What you say doesn't make any sense. About everyone has something about their body they don't like."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>93\nso a woman will just be as strong as a male if we pretend that gender doesn't exist?"}, {"id": 135, "content": ">>118\nGenetics. Rare disorders don’t negate the reality of sexual dimorphism, which is dictated by genetics.\n\nYou are just proving my point that transgenderism is pure nonsense. The entire ideology rests on the notion that biological sex is separate and distinct from “gender identity,” which exists on a spectrum. How can you say that biological abnormalities are proof that a gender spectrum exists while also saying that biology is irrelevant in determining gender? Do you expect rational people to take this seriously? Are you being intentionally dense? This is exactly what I mean what I say that transgender activists are mentally deficient. Thank you for demonstrating this so clearly."}, {"id": 136, "content": "google\n\nhttps://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/46/15466\n>The results of this study show that the white matter microstructure in FtM and MtF transsexuals falls halfway between that of FCs and MCs. Our data harmonize with the hypothesis that fiber tract development is influenced by hormonal environment during late prenatal and early postnatal brain development that is proposed to determine gender identity\n\nhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/321820257_Structural_connections_in_the_brain_in_relation_to_gender_identity_and_sexual_orientation\n>Our findings suggest that the neuroanatomical signature of transgenderism is related to brain areas processing the perception of self and body ownership, whereas homosexuality seems to be associated with less cerebral sexual differentiation\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/\n>A significant association was identified between transsexualism and the AR allele, with transsexuals having longer AR repeat lengths than non-transsexual male control subjects (p = .04). This study provides evidence that male gender identity might be partly mediated through the androgen receptor\n\nhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ejn.14420\n>The own body / self congruence ratings increased with treatment, and correlated with a left parietal cortical thinning. These data confirm our hypothesis that GD may be associated with specific anatomical features in own-body/self-processing circuits that reverse to the pattern of cisgender controls after cross-sex hormone treatment\n\nhttps://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/2/390/5104458\n>A significant association was identified between gender dysphoria and ERa, SRD5A2, and STS alleles, as well as ERa and SULT2A1 genotypes. Several allele combinations were also overrepresented in transgender women, most involving AR (namely, AR-ER, AR-PGR, AR-COMT, CYP17-SRD5A2). Overrepresented alleles and genotypes are proposed to undermasculinize/feminize on the basis of their reported effects"}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\nNo (though the very strongest women are stronger than the weakest men). But not everyone in a squad has to have the exact same physical abilities for it to function as a coherent unit.\n>>135\nDictated by genetics? So if someone has complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, and so has XY chromosomes but is born with a female phenotype and may not even know themself they have XY chromosomes, they're actually a man?"}, {"id": 138, "content": ">>128\n>(((white)))"}, {"id": 139, "content": ">>132\nNo, the only cure is to lynch all marxists, and the problem disappears overnight. Cutting off children's dicks isn't a treatment."}, {"id": 140, "content": ">>137\n>fringe mutants exist, therefore I transmute sex when i put on a dress"}, {"id": 141, "content": ">>135\n>The entire ideology rests on the notion that biological sex is separate and distinct from “gender identity,”\nGender identity is fake, gender dysphoria is real. Problem solved"}, {"id": 142, "content": "you ever notice how they always post article headlines instead of the actual studies"}, {"id": 143, "content": ">>136\nTranssexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV.\nSource:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/\n\nAbout 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older.\nSource:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789\n\nOnly 12% of boys who believe they are transsexuals still believe so when they are older.\nSource:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194003\n\nMRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men.\nSource:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/\n\n41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide.\n\nSource:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/\n\nTranssexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide.\nSource:http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885\n\nMost young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months.\nSource:http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44\n\n37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year.\nSource:http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44\n\n53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children.\n\nSource:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237\n\n16% of transsexuals have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population.\nSource:http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/Training%20and%20TA%20Center/FORGE_Trans_People_Police_Incarceration_Facts.pdf\n\nGay and transgender students are half as likely to graduate high school as straight students.\nSource:https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2010/06/21/7980/gay-and-transgender-youth-homelessness-by-the-numbers/"}, {"id": 144, "content": ">>139\nDo you have any evidence for this claim? I have plenty to the contrary.\nhttps://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/musicotic/comments/8ttud4/a_comprehensive_defense_of_trans_people/\n>>140\nThat's not my argument. My argument is that you cannot actually define sex in a coherent way."}, {"id": 145, "content": ">>132\nIt alleviates, but it doesn't cure. To cure you must do one of two things, make them accept their natural sex or literally turn them into the prefered sex. The former is impossible, the latter is possible, and so the latter is to be prefered.\n>>133\nShut the fuck up, you know god damn well that wanting a different sex is a fundamentally different thing from wanting a different nose."}, {"id": 146, "content": ">>142\nYup. Transphobic rightoids are as shifty and manipulative as their worst jewish nightmares"}, {"id": 147, "content": ">>144\nNo, you don't."}, {"id": 148, "content": ">>143\n>Transsexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV.\n>41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide.\n>Most young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months.\n>37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year.\n>16% of transsexuals have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population.\n>Gay and transgender students are half as likely to graduate high school as straight students.\nAnd I'm sure this has nothing whatsoever to do with how people like you treat them.\n>>145\nSure, but until we can, the approximation current medicine can provide is certainly better than nothing.\n>>147\nI'm not citing a standards of care document, I'm citing actual empirical studies."}, {"id": 149, "content": ">>132\n>>145\n>The former is impossible, the latter is possible, and so the latter is to be prefered.\nMeant the other way around, obviously"}, {"id": 150, "content": ">>149\nBut what if you can't actually make them accept their natal sex?"}, {"id": 151, "content": "historically speaking, what does this have to do with history?"}, {"id": 152, "content": ">>151\n& Humanities"}, {"id": 153, "content": ">>137\n>Helmet, uniform, boots, armor, weapon, ammo, food, canteens, compass, first aid kit—everything a soldier wears and carries (their “load”) can add up to more than 68 pounds. In a combat mission, that weight can skyrocket to as much as 120 pounds.\na female will perform just as well, surely\nsexual dimorphism is just a social construct"}, {"id": 154, "content": ">>148\nYou're citing hrt salesmen whose pseduoscientific advertisements are nothing but a conflict of interest."}, {"id": 155, "content": "What is the point of these threads? Is there anything to say that hasn't already been said? Has anyone ever been convinced of anything in a thread like this?"}, {"id": 156, "content": ">>155\nWhats your take anon? Wanna grill?"}, {"id": 157, "content": ">>148\nso trannys get infected with HIV because they are treated poorly and not because they are sexual deviants?\nlying to yourself isn't healthy anon, seek help"}, {"id": 158, "content": ">>150\nWe keep trying until we can, and in the vast majority of cases it shouldn't be too difficult given that gender dysphoria was extremely rare just a couple of decades ago and almost non-existant before that."}, {"id": 159, "content": ">>137\nStop typing nonsense and practice self awareness for a second. By referencing biological disorders, you are further invalidating your argument that biology is irrelevant in determining gender. I should also point out that you using the word “disorder.” Are you implying that transgenderism is a disorder? Dare I say that is pretty offensive to the trans community. Or are you implying that only people suffering from androgen insensitivity can pick their gender? How many notable trans people have this disorder? Maybe the ones who don’t have it are just playing pretend???"}, {"id": 160, "content": ">>153\nHey, I'm not saying they shouldn't be subject to the same tests and requirements. But any rare woman who can pass them should be treated the same.\n>>154\nWhat would you consider valid evidence then?\n>>157\nOr because they're discriminated against and many are forced to resort to prostitution for survival.\n>>158\nOkay, but I mean what if it's completely impossible in some cases? Because the evidence suggests it may be.\n>>159\nMy point is that you can't coherently define sex."}, {"id": 161, "content": ">>160\n>Hey, I'm not saying they shouldn't be subject to the same tests and requirements. But any rare woman who can pass them should be treated the same.\n\nEvery now and then you really notice how completely retarded the leftist view on human nature is. These are the same people who think we should have co-ed prisons and then act shocked when the predictable occurs."}, {"id": 162, "content": ">>161\nI don't advocate co-ed prisons. I don't think you should just throw anyone who says they're a woman in the women's prison either- you should require, say, either surgery or five years of hormone replacement therapy, and those who haven't met that mark are put together in a separate wing."}, {"id": 163, "content": ">>160\nYes I can. Sex is either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. Genetic disorders exist, but that does not mean it’s possible for a male to become a female.\n\nYou don’t seem to have an argument that actually validates transgenderism. Sorry to burst your bubble"}, {"id": 164, "content": ">>160\n>Okay, but I mean what if it's completely impossible in some cases?\nHypothetically speaking, sure they can be given puberty blockers and what not as long as they can be identified as impossible cases, but if those cases even exist they are probably 1 in 10 million, if not less.\n>Because the evidence suggests it may be.\nThe evidence suggests that it is a modern mental illness that you aren't born with and that can be cured."}, {"id": 165, "content": ">>163\nSo is someone with CAIS a man or a woman?\n>>164\nI've cited evidence to the contrary above."}, {"id": 166, "content": "Honestly, I got really no opinion with proof to prove or debunk stuff about transgenderism. All I got to say is that I just really hate trannies. The weirdest mfs that need their pitiful existence validated."}, {"id": 167, "content": ">>162\nwell, use your brain as to why co-ed prisons are a bad idea, and then extend that to why co-ed army units are a bad idea."}, {"id": 168, "content": ">>165\nGenetically male/ XY but with deformities. It’s not that complicated and it’s laughable that you think that is justification for healthy males and females to take hormones, chop off body parts and cross dress HAHA"}, {"id": 169, "content": ">>165\nNo you haven't. You've only posted some articles which state that trannies are more likely to have this and that, which isn't evidence of anything other than that if you have X you are more likely to be a tranny than someone who doesn't have X, and there's a hell of a difference between being more likely and being determined."}, {"id": 170, "content": ">>166\nThat means you have healthy instincts."}, {"id": 171, "content": "Well /his/?"}, {"id": 172, "content": ">>171\nit's true"}, {"id": 173, "content": ">>125\n\"Social progress\" is a conspiracy\n>>128\n>\"rich white men\" are funding every single major social cause. Every political movement has wealthy donors.\nSo it is a conspiracy"}, {"id": 174, "content": ">There is no agenda\n>You can just get fired from your job for saying men can't get pregnant, and the issue came out of nowhere within the past decade"}, {"id": 175, "content": "i think gender dysphoria is real but obviously is a mental illness. Only a small percentage of trannies are actually gender dysphoric. Most of them transitioned because it is a fashion trend, like punks or any other counterculture, with symbols and a community attached to it. There it is, the they/thems are literally just rebelling against their dads and moms."}, {"id": 176, "content": ">>175\nThe thing is, exactly 0% of people actually know what it's like to be the opposite sex, at best it's just some kind of educated guess.\nAnd if your imaginary approximation of what it's like to be the opposite sex is so unimaginably fantastic that you'll literally kill yourself if you can't be it, then that's just a psychotic fetish."}, {"id": 177, "content": ">>174\nwho are you talking to at work about whether men get pregnant?"}, {"id": 178, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Obviously.\nOpen your eyes"}, {"id": 179, "content": ">>177\nThe tranny I'm trying to witness Christ to"}, {"id": 180, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf they’re hot, their gender identity is valid. If they’re ugly, it’s not."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is it based to have your Y-DNA written on your tombstone?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 3, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'll lie about it depending on what culture I want to LARP as"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou just gave me the idea, I'll do it unironically."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have plans for my remains.\nIf I tell you fags you'll just copy me like retards."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nPick e-v13 if you are anglo-norman. That's the optimal larp combination."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt just screams insecure so no."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAbsolutely. This person will receive a warm welcome in heaven."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>4\nI'll put E3b2"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">put R1b U106\n>really be I2a1\nHeh, I’m sneaking into Valhalla and none of you can stop me"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "same people"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>unknown\nwho the hell is heraclius?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Correct. There's only two types of people in ex-Ottoman lands\n1. Turks\n2. Losers who're eternally butthurt about Turks"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nHe has a Disney movie"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nA Black man from Africa."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEither you're referring to the hypthoesised Graeco-Armenian phylogenetic clade, or even the Graeco-Armeno-Aryan phylogenetic clade, both hypothetical subgroupings branching from Proto-Indo-European much like Italo-Celtic, or the meme that Greece was somehow entirely replaced by Armenians during the Byzantine period. I'm hoping its the former because that's an entertaining thought and helps bridge the isolation between these Indo-European languages since it seems unlikely the Anatolian ones were that, and especially since the latter is just shit tier.\nGreek is likely closer to Phrygian anyways."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nR1b Z2103 Yamnaya BVLLS"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nis R1b Z2103 proto indo european? notice how kurds don't have it, neither do yamnaya IEs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did Putin really plagiate his PhD and Bachelor's theses or is that a false accusation?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>le thinly veiled bait to talk about the war in Ukraine moment"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSince when has Putin had a PhD that isn't honorary.\nI've never heard of anyone referring to him as \"doctor\". Not even on Russian Wikipedia.\n\nIs this Mandela Effect shit?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNope\n>>3\nJ.D. then? I'm sure he has some advanced degree. (I will check after this post)"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Are you thinking of MLK?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>>5\n>In 1997, he received his Ph.D. in economics (Candidate of Economic Sciences) at the Saint Petersburg Mining University for a thesis on the strategic planning of the mineral economy.[41]"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nHuh, TIL"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nNot a reverend\nNot a doctor\nNot martin Luther\nNot a kang"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nDamn"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthe cringe... it's too strong"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nDirk dirk dirk dirk"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Mediterranean White vs G*rmanic/Slav(e)ic ''White''"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMore like Palestinian vs Ashkenazi"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMe on the right"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMessi vs Ronaldo (left)"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat Med boi is a gay bottom."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEEF vs WSH"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDid you know the one on the left was gay/bi? He used to date luke evans 9 years ago"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nWhy are Meds gay?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis thread was made by darktroon, a dravidian ape."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy do we always have a south europe vs north europe thread on, its stupid this rivality isnt even normal\nt. med"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nIt's spics arguing with pajeets."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Mediterranean White vs G*rmanic/Slav(e)ic ''White''"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOh my God, who gives a shit about north or south Europeans? A Christian is a Christian."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nIt's just merchants up to their typical tricks, trying to sowe division amongst us"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nMore pink, and pale, than the other same photo of him. You should cherry pick better."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYOU WILL BE BLACKED, EUROPOOR"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou will never be Med ranjeet."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>6\nEEF were gracile with small mandibles. WSH were robust with large mandibles."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nboth manlets shoulderlet doe"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGuy on the right looks like an albino Indian"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>unknown\n>actual fantasy film about a manlet medshit beating a giant nord gigachad"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nStallone is half jewish on top of that."}, {"id": 23, "content": "Yup, xhe mindbroken\nMedgods WON1"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>19\nEveryone was a manlet then and Yamnaya were physiologically taller. Also if you use modern height genes, Yamnaya turn out to be much taller as well."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>physiologically taller. Also if you use modern\n>174 cm\n>tall"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nIt's still taller than average modern moortuguese, lmao."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are not white moor"}, {"id": 28, "content": "burn to death"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>white"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>25\nYou forgot how to read nigger\n>Also if you use modern height genes, Yamnaya turn out to be much taller as well.\nYamnaya were genetically taller than EEF and also physiologically taller. EEF were like 11 cm shorter."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nleft - mewing\nright - not mewing"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>12\nThis guy is also attractive and has redening on face, it also seems like he's slightly tanned, so yes, he's a mediterranean white he's just tanned."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>7\n>bi\nno such thing as bi male, he's gay and a bottom given that Luke Evans is clearly a gay top"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>This guy is also attractive and has redening on face, it also seems like he's slightly tanned, so yes, he's a mediterranean white he's just tanned."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>32\n>im not pajeet sir, just tanned white sir"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>18\nNah"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is the Book of Revelation truly just \"ridiculous fables\" as Saint Augustine put it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It was written by a butthurt nihilist that seethed so hard at Emperor Nero that he basically called him Satan."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Book of Revelations was pure schizo shit"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's a jewish psyop basically Isaiah but with a perverted caricature of Jesus who's also the \"morning star\" and a seven eyed sheep"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAugustine makes clear that his purpose in addressing these texts is to expose faulty interpretations and present a correct one. The quotations from Revelation 20 and 21 appear in connection with a particular aspect of the opposing interpretations:\n\n>Of those two resurrections the same evangelist John, in the book which is called ‘Apocalypse’, has spoken in such a way that the first [resurrection], not being understood by certain persons among us, is furtherm ore turned into ridiculous fables.\n\nIt is clear that, by 426 at least, Augustine has no sympathy with any notion of a future earthly thousand-year reign, and does not see in Revelation 20 (or any passage in Scripture) the portents of the world’s demise."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAugustine supporters deserve to be relentlessly bullied."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nNobody deserves to be bullied. Some deserve to be killed."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nName 1 thing he did wrong"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMany early church fathers post-2nd century had a weak view of the book of revelation. This is because they departed from the first-temple understanding of the old testament for Origen's Allegorical method. This resulted them viewing the book more look a Greek epic rather than compilation of OT ideas. At least Jerome understood it better than most."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Babylon will be destroyed and the merchants will weep. This is known."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nConvert from based manichaeism to cringe Christianity"}, {"id": 12, "content": "Basically you read it because everyone says 'wow, hecking EPIC imagery and creativity! DEEP LORE!' then you realize it's just ripping off images in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Isaiah.\nIt's obviously a fanfic larp and it's a shame that people love it."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\nWell at least Nero seems based and JQ pilled."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>9\nBiblefags be like \"the parts of the bible that are clearly wrong are allegory but the parts about fags are timeless absolute unassailable truth\""}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\npeople can hate pederasts strictly through the use of natural reason anon. There is no revelation needed, and in fact loathing faggots is common in non-Christian cultures as well."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nthe greeks that Christians jerked off too were pederasts, including Socrates, their most beloved wanksimp. And the Christians have no qualms with the fact God impregnated a 12 year old girl with himself shortly before she married another man. If that's natural reason, I'd prefer to stay unreasonable."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What would have happened if a group of caucasians from the mountains of Caucasus established themselves in the region of Kanagawa in Japan\nWould the japanese colonise and give them the Korea/SEA treatment or they would be cool"}, {"id": 2, "content": "slide thread"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nhow so\nwhat is it sliding"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nbecause it's on topic and has to do with history.\nonly off topic anti-religion threads and \"med vs nord\" (aykshully white people don't exist) threads are allowed.\n\nTo answer your question, it would depend on the time period."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nJomon period"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhich period?\n15,000 years ago?\n5,000 years ago?\n3,000 years ago?\nI’m assuming you mean they are freshly inhabiting it.\nI think warring would have lead to another Japanese ethnic subgroup. Caucus peoples on the relatively small mainland is going to lead to war and integration."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is the 'Holy Spirit'? And why is sinning against it unpardonable?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What is the 'Holy Spirit'?\nThe third person of the Holy Trinity\n>And why is sinning against it unpardonable?\nBecause His divine intervention is the only means by which one can repent and be saved"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nHow does this technically work though I don't understand?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "GHOST BLOWJOB FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT WOOOO"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Holy Spirit works with a person, it is not a personage. It is the “attitude” of knowing what is righteousness and adhering to it. That’s why once you know what is right and go against it it is unpardonable."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBlaspeming the holy ghost doesn’t mean that you just say something offensive about it, it means that when you are granted the experience and sense and know that yes, God exists and is good, you *still* consciously decide to reject it. It’s not about doubt or some stupid things said without really thinking about it, it’s explicitly about conscious rejection."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSo it's another instance of exercising free will being the bad option?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n>see unquestionable proof that God exists\n>refuse to accept God regardless\n>God accepts it and let's you be on your own instead of taking you with him\n>\"OH MY SCIENCE HOW COULD GOD DO THIS HE'S SO EVIL!!!\""}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>lets me be on my own\n>by dropping me in le hell\nvery emotional god. womanlike in many ways."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Let's all commit unpardonable sin.\nFuck the Holy Spirit."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What can Greece do to become great again?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "BWC"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Greece, like any other country, can take various steps to achieve its goals and become prosperous. Some measures that Greece could take to improve its economy and achieve stability include:\n\n1. Promoting economic growth: Greece can work to promote economic growth by investing in industries with high growth potential, implementing reforms to make it easier for businesses to operate, and attracting foreign investment.\n\n2. Tackling corruption: Corruption has been a longstanding problem in Greece, and addressing this issue can help to restore public trust and improve the country's image in the eyes of investors.\n\n3. Investing in education: Improving the education system and encouraging more young people to pursue higher education can help Greece to develop a more skilled workforce and attract high-tech industries.\n\n4. Developing infrastructure: Greece can invest in infrastructure projects that can help to stimulate economic growth, such as improving transportation links and expanding renewable energy sources.\n\n5. Building strong relationships with neighboring countries: Building strong relationships with neighboring countries can help Greece to attract more foreign investment and improve its overall economic stability.\n\n6. Emphasizing cultural heritage and tourism: Greece can promote its rich cultural heritage and beautiful landscapes to attract more tourists and generate revenue for the country.\n\n7. Encouraging innovation and entrepreneurship: Encouraging innovation and entrepreneurship can help Greece to develop new industries and create jobs, particularly in the high-tech sector."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nThis poster shines with rainbow hues,\nA celebration of diverse views.\nFrom every corner of the gender spectrum,\nIt honors those who defy traditional expectations.\n\nIt speaks of love without restriction,\nAnd honors those who've faced persecution.\nFor those who've been silenced or erased,\nIt offers a voice and a vibrant space.\n\nThis poster stands for all to see,\nA symbol of hope and identity.\nFor LGBTQ+ folks young and old,\nIt tells a story that's worth being told.\n\nSo let this poster light the way,\nA beacon of pride that won't decay.\nFor in a world that can be unkind,\nIt's a reminder that we're all intertwined."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPAY YOUR DEBTS.\nWE GERMANS ARE FED UP PICKING UP YOUR TAB"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nSome other time."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npush turks out of rightful greek lands (anatolia) and retake crimea"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPay denbts."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nChatGPT. I could tell within the first two sentences lol. How is this thing seriously fooling teachers and examiners?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nit's amazing how the merchants are curating their crap to spout out generic humanism\n\nReminder that AI is controlled by business people entirely and that AI is not intelligent. AI is just marketing."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nYeah lol, you caught me. Well I think a high school student could easily take it and slightly rewrite it in their own words. I think if I was a kid now I'd definitely be looking for that kind of thing. I graduated high school in 2007, and I'm ashamed to admit that I remember using things like spark notes to pass tests in english class instead of reading the book. I remember saying some of the \"analysis\" points they raised verbatim, and being praised by my teacher for having such good insight into the book."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI understand your concerns about the role of business in AI development and the potential limitations of the technology. However, I would like to point out that the capabilities of AI language models like ChatGPT go far beyond simple marketing. These models are trained on vast amounts of data and can generate complex responses to a wide range of topics.\n\nMoreover, the development and training of AI models like ChatGPT is not solely controlled by businesses, but also by academic institutions and other organizations. In fact, many of the advancements in AI research have been driven by the academic community and government funding.\n\nThat being said, it is important to recognize that AI language models are not perfect and have their limitations. While they can generate impressive responses, they are not capable of truly understanding the nuances and complexities of human language and behavior. It is crucial that we continue to question and scrutinize the role and impact of AI in our society, while also recognizing its potential benefits."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Paint Athens. Need trains and major building renovations. Import incels and autists from across western world. Some of the ugliest buildings in the world over there. Italy's architecture is something like 700x more powerful and tourist alluring."}, {"id": 14, "content": "https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/16/athens-museum-unveils-design-for-major-renovation\nImport more foreign architects in general, has to be done. Greeks can no longer be trusted with their own building projects in their own country that belongs to us, all non-Greek westerners. Greece belongs to the world not to Greeks who live in Greece. Ugliest buildings in the world. Might have some future value, people will go to Athens to see all the old uniquely ugly 20th century buildings there, but 1) doubt it, 2) could just build a new city designed by westerners somewhere near Athens full of nice buildings, kind of like a modern Nafplio. Build a new taxhaven seaside city designed by Brits or Nazis somewhere in the peloponnese and let it grow and spread."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnothing\ni went to the center of athens today\nfilth everywhere, derelict buildings and ugly graffiti, polluted smoggy air with the occasional smell of sewage, homeless guys disfigured by skin lesions panhandling and yelling in every street corner\nthere was nothing to admire whatsoever, except for some stray cats\nit reminded me how fucking over it is\n\nwe have 1.3 fertility rate\nwe have a debt of $500 billion\ni could keep typing until i run out of the character limit, but it's so fucking over i don't even have the energy to"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nWas in Greece earlier this year, feel it's approaching 3rd world in more than just the occasional place here and there. Sewage smell, have businesses open with no lights on, graffiti, basically just what you said I don't have anything to add. Very nice, generous, laid back people though generally in my experience."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nAnd the scenery... muy bien"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\nPic started off bad and just got worse as I scrolled down"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is Japan not an empire despite having an emperor??"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause the USA literally wrote their Constitution and didn't want them calling themselves an Empire.\nAlso, the role of Emperor in Japan doesn't necessarily translate as the same as the western notion of an Emperor. It's why in German writing you often see them simply call him \"Tenno\" (Japanese word for the Emperor) instead of saying Kaiser.\nThe term Emperor comes from the Japanese copying the Chinese imperial title Son of Heaven (Tianzi -> Tenno) iirc"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Japan has a Tennou not Huangdi"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nIn Korea, they actually insist on calling the Japanese monarch \"日王\""}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause East Asians do not have autistic names for states. Kingdoms, Empires, Republics, Confederacies, they're all 國 (Guo/Koku/Guk), which means \"State/Country.\" China for example was an Empire, but it didn't call themselves an Empire, just Zhonnguo (Central Sate).\n\nThey do have a specific word for Empire: Diguo or Japanese Teikoku, but this is a modern 19th century neologism they adopted to explain foreign countries with Empires of their own. It literally means \"Emperor Country\" which is dumb sounding as hell."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\ndon't forget gwok, pukgai"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\n>gwok, pukgai\nWhomst uses this?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n你識唔識google啦?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey were buck broken by the U.S."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Empires involves ruling over a diverse number of people"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo it doesn't."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEmperor (in English) is a title. It doesn't require a corresponding empire (setting aside the definition of empire) in the same way that a king requires a kingdom.\nJoseon claimed to be an empire for a bit, as an example.\nJapanese/Sinosphere languages distinguish between an emperor (皇 or 帝) and a king (王), the distinction containing political/cultural/hierarchal/even spiritual dimensions.\nWestern analogy would be the Tsars/Kaisers/Imperators (note the claimed Roman heritage) aren't the same as Kings. Except for Bulgaria, where their tsar was called a king."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">ultranationslists are more likely to support their country's enemies because their country does not conform to what they think their countries should be like\nIronic"}, {"id": 2, "content": "BFC was like 30 guys at most just sitting in bars and drinking throughout the whole war"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">their country's enemies\nhitler didn't want to be britain's enemy though\nif you'd said some slav shithole it'd have made more sense"}, {"id": 4, "content": "I decide who my enemies are."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>the government = the nation itself"}, {"id": 6, "content": "This is pretty common\n\n>American revolutionaries accepting help from the French\n>Revolting whites in Saint-Domingue seeking help from both the Spanish and the British\n>Bolsheviks accepting help from the Germans\n>KMT accepting help from the Japanese\n>CCP accepting help from the Russians\n\nBasically whenever you want to overthrow your government regardless of whether it's for left-wing or right-wing reasons, the most obvious source of support is your country's old enemies."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn that case their country isn't what they want it to be. So it is not their's."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">ultranationslists\nYou mean that word invented by call of duty?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>invented by call of duty\nSource?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>>9\nThe earliest reference I can see to 'ultranationalism' (though admittedly it's hyphenated) dates back to 2000 in \"The Politics of National Minority Participation in Post-communist Europe\", and again in a hyphenated form in 2006 in \"World Fascism: A-K\".\nIt's first appearance in CoD was in CoD4: Modern Warfare in 2007, with no hyphen."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n>know the meaning of nationalist\n>know the meaning of ultra\n>put them together and create a meaningful word\n>anon acts like it can't mean anything because a video game used it once"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nMaking a new term like that and taking it seriously makes you the butt of jokes. \"Look guyz its not just baaaad, idz ULTRABAAAAAAAAAD\"."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Slavs age so ungracefully historically speaking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI have seen Frenchmen and Germans like this . Seems common among Euro men"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhigh sexual dismorphism"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStress, alcohol, fatty food."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe wall"}, {"id": 6, "content": "there's like 15 anti slav threads up right now wtf is happening? is it Varg?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ngenetics, alcohol, disease"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nVarg has always been pro Slavic"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\noh right he just hates southrons"}, {"id": 10, "content": "36, still looks amazing"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do Slavs age so ungracefully historically speaking?\nHigh ANE admixture"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBrute force >looks"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nIs this polish?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nrussian"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou do know he's not Polish nor even Slav?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>11\nAren't slavs not even ANE or WSH? Slavs are a totally different thing, aren't they? They don't resemble meds or Nords."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWestern and eastern slavs are more similar looking to scandinavians than Germans"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nWhy are you using a language group as if it was racial?\nThere are no \"meds\" either, they're just whites who mixed with niggers"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhitoids age like shit in general."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>16\nThey have some of the highest rates of WSH among all peoples, it's just a different branch than most of western Europe. There is some nuance to it but in general Meds and Nords tend to carry more EEF compared to Slavs and say the Irish and other groups in the extremes of NW Europe who carry more WSH."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nunironically alcohol, they are all alcoholic over there and that causes that bloaded look you see in Russians."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nU cant probably tell from the photo but most white people have a dry skin type. There are 5 skin types being oily, normal, dry, combination and sensitive.\n\nDry skin tends to be thinner so it doesnt look that bad until u become old.\n\nAlso slavs tend to be hard drinkers and that accelarates aging and such."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>22\n\nbtw he didnt age that bad ur just over exaggerating"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>10\nthere's millions of 36 year old women that look amazing anon"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nbut 4chan told me white women age shit"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Being a Native American is honestly based asf\n\n> God-tier hair genetics, never bald\n> receive money from the government solely cause your ancestors got dabbed on 100 years ago\n> be able to wear a jean jacket without looking like a pedophile\n> prominent model-tier cheekbones\n> live on a large reservation with your own people free of federal harassment\n> have a cool ass name like Shadow Wolf\n> always look pissed off for extra intimidation factor\n> spend your free time getting high asf going on vision quests"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Being poor and having crippling alcoholism is based"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnone of that is going to make up for it\nhistorically speaking those guys got the saddest fate of anyone"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>be native American\n>your womenfolk 100% cuck you for a cute White boy like all poc\nMany such cases. SAD! Native American girls actually have the highest rate of marrying Whites, even more than Asians."}, {"id": 5, "content": "> be able to wear a jean jacket without looking like a pedophile\n\nHuh?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLol. Lmao. The only thing worse than being a native on the rez is being a nigger in da hood. You have no clue how shitty it is. Everyone is fucking drunk/high 24/7, beats and rapes their kids, the suicide rate is through the roof, there is absolutely no opportunity at all, for anything whatsoever, the tribal government is 10x as corrupt as the federal government, so on and so on. You fucking idiot."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you ever been to a reservation? They look like bombed-out Ukrainian villages, and the crime rate is sky high. The ghetto might unironically be a better place to live."}, {"id": 8, "content": "I remember there was a gentleman I knew who was a native. Bought me smokes when I was 16, he was 18. Was the boot for my darts when I ran with those kids back in high school. Anyways, kid ended up trying to rob the reddi mart no more than 200 feet from his place. Dumb bastard broke the glass with his fucking fist. Last I heard, kid got arrested, and was sent to a cold and desolate place known only as Rez."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObese\nNever bald but the hair is thin\nAlcohol dependent\nThe cheek bones are nice though."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNah this anon is right.\n>>3 The injuns got the rawest deal. At least other vanquished people were spared the humiliation and just outright deleted from existence. Modern recognized tribes (ones that aren't just 90% euro with a government certificate) in the US just live like white trash in trailer parks with nothing to do but get drunk all day. Any of them with some sense to realize this just dip to the next major city and get an education to join American society with their special gibs. The ones you'd expect to be doing well (casino owners and shit) are still dying out because their rich kids would rather mix with 10/10s of any other race except their own. The rest just get fat off frybread and die of heart disease before 50.\n\nIt's literally the most humiliating existence. I mean Africa for conquered in less than 80 years but at least they can say SSA is still mostly black. Every defeated nation has a comeback or modern successor state. Nobody is coming back for the injuns once these pockets of stragglers mix themselves away."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nkek\nRIP Chief Glass-In-Fist"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nThough this same exact way until I actually met some people that lived on a reservation. It's third world out there"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>2\n>Tfw alcoholism"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nNever heard someone accuse us brits of not being alcoholics."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat's just John Redcorn"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthey are fat, drunk, and covered in acne. The only thing they have going for them is they are rural retards which is a more comfortable way to be incredibly poor, and the woods scare both Blacks and jews so they are free to engage in misery undisturbed by really fucked up academics and Black psychopathy."}, {"id": 17, "content": "Rural Indians live virtually the same lifestyle as rural Whites, they have teepees in their yard instead of campers."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho names their ass Shadow Wolf?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n> receive money from the government solely cause your ancestors got dabbed on 100 years ago\nOften times this is also money because you got relocated to a desert.\n> Prominent model-tier cheekbones\nA big aquiline nose ruins it.\n> live on a large reservation with your own people free of federal harassment\nIt's the opposite. Plus they have a feminicide problem.\n> spend your free time getting high asf going on vision quests\nOr drinking mouthwash."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nThey literally live in trailers now just like White trailer parks, there is no difference except they're darker skinned."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>13\n>facebook filename"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">Be my dad.\n>Pottawatomi reservataion in Kansas.\n>Dad grows up to be 5'6 but a violent fucking bar fighter.\n>Gets his native name \"Skomack\" or \"Skomak\". (I dont know the language.)\n>Fucking translates to \"LITTLE WARRIOR\"\n>Go in and to the ceremony to do mine.\n>\"Translates to \"Patient Hunter.\"\n>Realize the name is because I sit for hours while I fish or hunt."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFucking sneaking tiger lmao"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nWhat tribe are you from? I don’t know shit about natives. My only connection to any of them is my dad’s great great great grandmother, but that’s so far removed it doesn’t uh…matter."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>3\nyup, and its really not like they had it coming, they really got fucked by the course of history and could do next to nothing about it"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nPottawatomie in North East Kansas."}, {"id": 27, "content": "is it really that bad? They are still around, their numbers aren’t terrible considering they were Hunter gatherers.\nBecoming fat is probably the worst fate they suffer."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nBased native, I wish you well."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does war have a eugenic effect?\nMen who are not fit to go to war are much more likely to survive and thus procreate than men who go to war and die there. Do wars negatively affect the quality of men?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCripples and retards don't breed"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nthis and they also send those guys to the front all the same and they die more\nit all evens out really"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nThey do if women have no other options. It's part of how genetic defects are passed down through generations of people."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nWomen would all be fucking the one normal guy who happened to break his leg or something before the war started. They would rather travel 3 towns over to fuck that guy than sleep with the ugly weirdo next door"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nRealistically they won't have that option, which means that the ugly weirdos will be the ones who wind up reproducing."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nRealistically, yes they would. Or they'd all just fuck the 40 year olds who weren't drafted"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot even giga wars like WW2 have the number of deaths needed to have any real eugenic effect, that and by that point everybody is at risk of dying due to shit like civilian bombings, genocides, and die offs from certain services being harder to get"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI wouldn't say so. Whether you got killed in WW1 seemed to be largely a matter of pure luck. If the shell that killed chad landed 2ft to the left it would have killed the chud instead. Or if the machine gunner shot for a couple of seconds longer.\n\nYou could argue the opposite, the people who stayed behind (teachers, managers of successful businesses) were probably more intelligent, while the army was primarily composed of less educated working class people."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>not even giga wars like WW2 have the number of deaths needed to have any real eugenic effect,\nIn Belarus almost a quarter of the population died. Most of them were men so over 1/3 of all men dying definitely had an effect."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Modern soldiers are usually men willing to die for someone else's ambition or benefit\n\nWhat do you think?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nYou'd need to maintain that sort of death toll for 20 years before it has a permanent impact on the gene pool"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nThis is on point.\nYou can completely ignore Eugenics, considering that human differences have a gigantic impact when compared to biological ones. This is why we left the biological part of humanity to the Anthropologists and focused on our own thing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "When did Russia start LARPing as le based and trad country historically speaking? Did they already have a bunch of chud admirers in the 19th century?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's an European construct, redditors of the day viewed Russia as backwards and conservative, not concerned with Enlightenment ideals."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia has always been backward, but with the rise of globohomo ideology, certain types of /pol/ack retards take their side to be contrarian, even though Russia is a fucking shithole filled with muslims and Putin is a philosemite who won't stop crying about le nazis 24/7."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't quote me on this one becasue it's something I remember from 20 years ago, but I read that at some point during the mid to late 19th century Russian teachers were telling their students how the West, especially France, were degenerate and how conservative Russia will save Europe.\nFrom what I read the impression was that Russian anti-French sentiment was like modern Russian anti-US sentiment\n\n>but Russia was pro-French\nThis was probably before those pre-WW1 alliances and yes just like today's Russians actually have an ambiguous relationship with the West where they demonize them publicly but secretly admire them."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nRussian nobility were complete ouiboos, they exclusively conversed in French amongst themselves. There was nothing trad about them, they were as degenerate and cosmopolitan as any other elite but they purposely maintained a backward system they benefited from, just like Russian elites do today while they're sending their kids to western universities and have their yachts in European ports."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussia in the 19th century was seen as far more conservative than western Europe. Many Russians hated Enlightenment liberalism, secularism, and anti-Christian scientific claims such as Darwinian evolution."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nAre European Muslims hated that much? I’m not talking about the central Asian Muslims but actual Europeans the Bosnians etc. They’re no different from Christian Europeans to me. Both have fallen for Arab fairytales"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>There was nothing trad about them, they were as degenerate and cosmopolitan\nThis is true for some of them, but it is absolutely not true about Saint Tsar Nicholas II, who to this day is falsely slandered by Judeo-Bolsheviks."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRussi was seen as a medieval country that somehow made it into modernity, in reality they were more like a 17th century absolute monarchy. They also really fucking hated the kikes (unlike modern Russia) so the western jew-owned press constantly attacked them for it."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Did they already have a bunch of chud admirers in the 19th century?\nNot many, pretty much all conservatives prefered Germany."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>7\nRussia doesn't have \"European Muslims\", it has Caucausian Muslims who are basically mountain nafris"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\nYou mean the guy whose cousins were British and German monarchs? Yeah totally trad."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nRussia, Prussia, and Austria-Hungary were allies in the 19th century against the Enlightenment liberalism and secularism of the French and British."}, {"id": 14, "content": "https://youtu.be/asfgJ9YOeQU [Embed]"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>11\nAre they not white?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThey were allies, but everyone from conservative to socialist throughout Europe still thought of Russia as a backwards shithole."}, {"id": 17, "content": "https://youtu.be/7kJytiN4f8s [Embed]"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>12\nWhat's the argument? It's not trad because their royal fathers married foreign royals like literally every other European dynasty had for centuries?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\n>backwards shithole.\nThese sorts of claims assume a belief in Enlightenment \"\"\"progress\"\"\" and other such nonsense."}, {"id": 20, "content": "https://youtu.be/oUqE0J0aUFM [Embed]"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nThe argument is that all elites are inherently rootless and cosmopolitan and the only real connection they have is with the other international elites. Nicholas had nothing in common with the impoverished dirt-dwelling subjects he ruled over, Romanovs in general after Catherine are more German than Russian anyway."}, {"id": 22, "content": "On the Masonic lie of evolution\nhttps://youtu.be/qLnOA2NdYjc [Embed]"}, {"id": 23, "content": "On the \"covid vaccine\"\nhttps://youtu.be/h-12i4mIBco [Embed]"}, {"id": 24, "content": "On the papacy\nhttps://youtu.be/mDpXchPd0_c [Embed]"}, {"id": 25, "content": "On scientism\nhttps://youtu.be/GtqRZfAKZ_0 [Embed]"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nRussia wasn't a backwards shithole because there was no democracy, Russia was a backwards shithole because it was poor and undeveloped."}, {"id": 27, "content": "On aliens and UFOs\nhttps://youtu.be/CM8RNNe9v-Y [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>21\n>Nicholas had nothing in common with the impoverished dirt-dwelling subjects he ruled over,\nThat is literally the definition of a \"trad\" government lol"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>15\n>that inbred illiterate chechen who keeps beheading kids and screaming nonsense? yeah he's actually a based ubermensch TRVE EVROPEAN because he has light colored hair\nadmit that you're a disgusting subhuman amerimutt retard."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>19\nprove to us that you have no toilet."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>When did Russia start LARPing as le based and trad country historically speaking?\n16.7.1918 best day of my life."}, {"id": 32, "content": "https://youtu.be/BxCVq9JL9bg [Embed]"}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nApproximately 100% of the time they weren't under the communists or Yeltsin"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>brainless zoomer thinks all of history was exactly the same as right now\nJust ban all of these retards"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBefore the communist revolution, it was completely true and not a larp at all."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>35\nThis."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I'm developing a Catholic GPT which uses vector embeds to answer questions regarding dogma, spirituality, faith and other catholic related questions. It can currently access Denzinger's Enchidrion and the Catechism. It's still in early development and I wish to make it available for all catholics online in the future. Please ask questions so I can test it!"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat do you think of Martin Luther?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "How are you setting it up"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nAs an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or feelings towards individuals. However, the Catholic Church has condemned many of Martin Luther's teachings as heretical.\nIn the 16th century, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who became disillusioned with the state of the Church at that time and began to teach and promote his own ideas about salvation, grace, and the authority of Scripture. His actions led to the Protestant Reformation, which divided Western Christianity.\nThe Catholic Church has acknowledged that there were issues and abuses within the Church at the time, but it also holds that Luther's teachings went against key beliefs of the Catholic faith. For example, his rejection of the sacramental system, the role of priesthood, and the authority of the Pope were seen as direct challenges to Catholic doctrine.\nLuther's teachings were also seen as contributing to the fragmentation and disunity of the Church. The Catholic Church has made efforts towards ecumenism and greater outreach to other Christian denominations, but it still holds to its teachings and traditions."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nI separated the sources (currently enchidrion and CCC) into chunks in such a way that it contains context for use of each chunk. I used OpenAI's vector embed along with Pinecone's database to store the chunks of text as vectors. Then, when the user asks a question, it gathers the top 5 chunks related to the question, which are given as prompt to the bot to answer, along with an explanation of it's purpose and the question itself."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nThat is neat! Well done"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>I'm making a GPT based on that GPT made by a jewish homosexual\nLelz, the irony."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThe pope said we should use AI in benefit of the Church, God always brings good out of evil."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWould it crash if you demolish christian theology with facts and logic?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">That is neat! Well done"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow is it going to be better than ChatGPT?"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>8\n>God always brings good out of evil.\nAlhamdulillah, you have my seal of approval. You may continue developing your GPT"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nSince it uses vector embeds to get actual sources from our Deposit of Faith, it will provide accurate answers to questions and not deviate from Catholic teaching. I can give 2 examples:\nIf you ask what is baptism, ChatGPT would onions the entire response by relativizing the faith, explaining that it depends on you understanding of scripture etc. My bot would give the catholic answer based on Denzinger and Catechism, completely denying any heretical understanding.\nHowever, this could already be done by correctly prompting ChatGPT. What it cannot do, however, is answer questions about dogmas that are quite obscure and difficult. If you ask it about predestination, even if you prompt GPT correctly it will not know the actual teaching. My bot howeverz reveiving Denzinger as source, will provide everything Catholic teaching says about this topic, and even provided in an answer the 2 different approaches to the dogma, one is augustinian and the other thomistic."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nVery cool man"}, {"id": 15, "content": "Have it explain why it is important we follow the teachings of Cornelius Jansen."}, {"id": 16, "content": "What are the arguments for and against Papal Supremacy, the Filioque, and leavened bread? Why should an Orthodox Christian become Catholic?\n\nWhat do you say of the arguments from Pagans about Christ learning magic during His time in Egypt?"}, {"id": 17, "content": "Please ask it why, if God's plan is the salvation of mankind, that a majority of people throughout history will end up in hell ;("}, {"id": 18, "content": "OK then smarty pants\n\nwhat if I want to know the answer to a question as it would have been answered before Vatican II?\n\nbasically trad mode"}, {"id": 19, "content": "The absolute state of religion lmaaaaaao"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\n>>14\nDoes it piggy back on ChatGPT programming tho?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Behold! Sol Invictus!"}, {"id": 2, "content": "he's beautiful"}, {"id": 3, "content": "plz accept my offerings sunchad"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLmao"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Dear God, the brilliance."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI don't get why sun worship is relatively rare, like it's right there it seems more like a Godly figure than anything else we see on the daily."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nIt's really common in India. Which is one of the only non Abrahamic religions left"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">yeah dude Christianity totally didn't intentionally replace Pagan holidays\n>the two most important holidays being Christmas and Easter happening to fall on times of the year that are traditionally crucial across the pagan world? Total coincidence\n\nWho buys this shit lol"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy yes I am a Roman Catholic pagan\nHow could you tell"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>l65ggsdummv61.jpg\nMuslims see no problem with this."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWho said that? Pretty sure the church literally admits it, schizo."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nMuslims and atheist Jews like OP rape kids."}, {"id": 6, "content": "The date of Christmas is set in reference to Easter\nThe date of Easter is set in reference to the crucifixion\nThe date of the crucifixion is set in reference to Passover\nThe date of Passover is set according to BC practice\n\nSo no, the Christian calendar is not anachronistically based on replacing pagan holidays which didn't exist prior to passover"}, {"id": 7, "content": "One thing I've noticed is the reactionary backlash to the 19th century ideas that every aspect of Christianity and Islam are secretly pagan. Now people like Tom Holland, Richard Hutton, Francis Young, etc. claim the opposite, NOTHING is pagan and Christianity is original work do not steal. In 100 years historians will probably just take the middle ground and claim some is pagan, some isn't."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>an expensive tax\nNormal tax and came with never being forced to serve in the military.\nAlso how do Europeans believe they all threw away their ethnic faiths for their Semitic religion? Christianity peace and love 4 ever type shit?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nYeah bro all your holy days completely lining up with the solar calendar? Total coincidence\n\nPassover falls nearly on the same date as Babylonian celebrations for example, it's the spring equinox lol. You're just elaborately worshipping the sun bro.\n\n>>8\nWe shit on Christianity's barbarous ways plenty I just added Islam to round out the thread"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll those Saints that conveniently replace praying to various Pagan gods for specific needs? Total coincidence."}, {"id": 11, "content": "Jizya is not taken from elderly and women and children faggot."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\n>>5\nChristkikes wiped out indians and put niggers in chains."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\ncan you explain in detail why is it you think pagans have a monopoly on the solar calendar?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">yeah, we're totally God's chosen people you goy slave in human form\n>just ignore that everything we do is evil, hypocritical, dishonest, and often explicitly against God's laws"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRead the Talmud, retard. According to the Rabbis who wrote that book, some Rabbis are smarter than God himself."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYou are mentally ill and need professional help."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">read the Talmud\n>it's just rabbis arguing over whether eating beef on a Tuesday is kosher or shevelvitz unless you haven't washed your hands first, in which case..."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union"}, {"id": 6, "content": "Yet another thread about Jews."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Baba Mezia 59b\n>My children have triumphed over Me; My children have triumphed over Me."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>you will live to see Israel import hundreds of thousands of american evangelicals to \"own the palis\"\ngrim"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nThat's why they're able to trick him so often."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you read the Old Testament? Every other chapter is the Israelites pissing off God, breaking the Covenant and getting punished for it, but without every losing their chosen people status"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">read the Talmud\n>it's just rabbis dictating that shiksas are in a state of filth from the moment they are born (Abodah Zarah 36b)\n>read the Talmud\n>it's just rabbis dictating that goyim should always be given unfair treatment in legal disputes with a jew (Baba Kamma 37b)\n>read the Talmud\n>it's just rabbis dictating that gentiles cannot even be referred to as men (Baba Mezia 114b)"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>5\nDo realize that I’m not saying ”seek help” as a threat, but as a genuine voice of worry. Let those delusional antisemitic lies and hate run free for too long, get too immersed in them, and eventually you yourself may become a threat to yourself and and people close to you.\n\nIt’s a sad sight, to see people driven insane and psychotic by such depressing delusions."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">read the talmud\n>realize jews are worse than /pol/ said"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI hate them so much bros..."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuperiority breeds contempt. Cope and seethe, Goy."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nTheoretically, if some awful individual made gaps in the magic fence, how would it take to find and fix them all? If such a terrible act which I don't condone were to happen during the sabbath, how much disruption would it cause? Asking for a friend."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe \"chosen people\" is not a badge that makes Jews superior to the nations, or gives them dominion over all others. It is a duty from God to be a nation of priests that works to make the world a holier place."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>11\nI don't think you understand what the Talmud actually is and its meaning to the Jewish people. It is not canon law. It is a series of debates between wise men thousands of years ago, as a Jew you're free to agree or disagree with whatever they say."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">works to make the world a holier place"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>It is a duty from God to be a nation of priests that works to make the world a holier place.\njews do explicitly the opposite of that, and whenever they organize for political purposes all they promote is against God's laws, then they'll form groups like the SPLC which labels people who do promote God and His will as \"hate groups\" to the point of inciting attempted mass shootings like the one at the Family Research Council after being slandered by jews for standing for God's will."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n>>works to make the world a holier place\nI mean he kinda did do that, if you forget about his side quest."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>2\nThat’s… kind of based."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nNah, he's an idiot, there's no such thing."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>>23\nBaba Mezia 59b, God even admits that the Rabbis have surpassed him."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\n>Baba Mezia 59b, God even admits that the Rabbis have surpassed him.\nThe absolute audacity. That's basically the french when they started worshipping \"reason\" i.e. their own minds or themselves"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>5\n>getting schizophrenics help is le bad"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nYet you worship the same god."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow do they reason that they're not allowed to use TV on Saturday?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\nImagine believing this."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Americans are not the master r<=ACK"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Embarrassing"}, {"id": 3, "content": "drink bleach"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTWO WORLDS COLLIDE\nRIVAL NATIONS\nIT'S A PRIMITIVE CLASH\nVENTING YEARS OF FRUSTRATIONS\nBRAVELY WE HOPE\nAGAINST ALL HOPE\nTHERE IS SO MUCH AT STAKE\nSEEMS OUR FREEDOM'S UP\nAGAINST THE ROPES\nDOES THE CROWD UNDERSTAND?\nIS IT EAST VERSUS WEST\nOR MAN AGAINST MAN?\nCAN ANY NATION STAND ALONE?\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nJUST ABOUT TO BURST\nTHERE'S A QUEST FOR ANSWERS\nAN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST\nIN THE DARKEST NIGHT\nRISING LIKE A SPIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nTHE UNMISTAKABLE FIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nIN THE WARRIOR'S CODE\nTHERE'S NO SURRENDER\nTHOUGH HIS BODY SAYS STOP\nHIS SPIRIT CRIES, NEVER\nDEEP IN OUR SOUL\nA QUIET EMBER\nKNOWS IT'S YOU AGAINST YOU\nIT'S THE PARADOX\nTHAT DRIVES US ON\nIT'S A BATTLE OF WILLS\nIN THE HEAT OF ATTACK\nIT'S THE PASSION THAT KILLS\nTHE VICTORY IS YOURS ALONE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nJUST ABOUT TO BURST\nTHERE'S A QUEST FOR ANSWERS\nAN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST\nIN THE DARKEST NIGHT\nRISING LIKE A SPIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nTHE UNMISTAKABLE FIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nJUST ABOUT TO BURST\nTHERE'S A QUEST FOR ANSWERS\nAN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST\nIN THE DARKEST NIGHT\nRISING LIKE A SPIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nTHE UNMISTAKABLE FIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nJUST ABOUT TO BURST\nTHERE'S A QUEST FOR ANSWERS\nAN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST\nIN THE DARKEST NIGHT\nRISING LIKE A SPIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART\nTHE UNMISTAKABLE FIRE\nIN THE BURNING HEART"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMeanwhile in reality the jew was sent to the hospital during the filming because the aryan held back 80% of his force instead of 90%."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBased Burning Heart poster"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\ncap"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rocky-iv-at-35-sylvester-stallone-was-in-the-icu-after-a-dolph-lundgren-punch-actually-connected-4097952/"}, {"id": 9, "content": "kys"}, {"id": 10, "content": "kys."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\n>>10\nDolph Lundgren is a Swede, not a Russkie you faggots"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nIt's not like Slavic countries weren't in the Axis"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\nHe's a Swede but he does look Russian"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nrussia was invented by swedes"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\nIndeed. Kievan Rus ftw"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nkys"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why would the Catholic Church be wrong? Doesn’t the church in Rome have a universal reputation for doctrinal correctness?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They don't, which is why they invented papal infallibility at Vatican 1\n\nI don't think tradlarpers realize how recent that is. It's after the American civil war."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">literally compiles the Bible\n>still end up extrapolating shit like saint worship from one-off lines about needing someone already in Heaven to get a direct line to God\nlol"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Doesn’t the church in Rome have a universal reputation for doctrinal correctness?\nIt doesn't. The central beliefs of the apostles and Paul was that the world was going to end within their lifetimes, and that Jesus would return to end the world (within their lifetimes.)\n\nJesus and John the Baptist also believed the world would end within their lifetimes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n>They don't\nThey certainly did in the early church"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>typical Protestant disregard for elements of Scripture that don’t conform to your preconceptions or personal interpretation\nGuys it’s like pottery"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThere wouldn't be half as many schisms and doctrinal disputes if the based church fathers put a bit more effort into editing the Bible"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nAlmost like they entrusted the body of the faithful to God and the Church, the sole legitimate institution capable of interpreting and settling Scriptural disputes."}, {"id": 9, "content": "I just cant get over how obscenely and openly corrupt the papacy has been throughout ts history, not to mention the way they change their doctrine to suit the times.\n\nat the current rate, the pope will be encouraging people to take the mar of the beast and embrace babylon"}, {"id": 10, "content": "The church claims divine authority and complete correctness. So that not only means it can't do wrong now, but that any past action can not have ever been wrong. Even a small little mistake jeopardizes this image.\nThe church thus has incentive to keep being wrong, because admitting wrong-doing threatens their incredibly profitable enterprise."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\nWhatever one may say about doctrinal correctness, historical correctness is not the Roman Catholic Church's strong suit."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe main reason people don't like the CC boils down to idea that the Church has 'le too much power' and how it strips power away from them or their team. All this \"oh the Church is inconsistent on X\" is bs."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How come different Christians often have the complete opposite view on various topics?\nFor example, compare the pope in this picture to what this Orthodox guy says in this video.\nhttps://youtu.be/asfgJ9YOeQU [Embed]"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Hungary's Borders are the will of God\nPre or post Treaty of Trianon?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "https://youtu.be/mDpXchPd0_c [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>religious retards are contradictory\nColour me surprised"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nhttps://youtu.be/XZnZozLB6rg [Embed]"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>Atheists are Borg collective NPCs\nColour me surprised!"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nYou might find this interesting.\nhttps://youtu.be/yLMM6wxrXfI [Embed]"}, {"id": 8, "content": "bump"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nbump"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>2\nThe issue here isn't migrants from Transylvania."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "The trinity makes zero sense."}, {"id": 2, "content": "After learning how the church used to burn people alive for not being non-Trinitarian and doing believers baptism, the more i side with non Trinitarian baptists."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>for not being non-Trinitarian\nfor Being* non-Trinitarian"}, {"id": 4, "content": "nothing makes any sense anon so o don't even know what you are saying\ntell me one thing that makes sense guys, go ahead, one thing"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Yeah, that's the point. It's impossible for the human mind to understand, so you just have to take God's word on it.\n\nIt's called a mystery of faith, like transubstantiation, or how Matt Walsh says transgenderism is absurd despite also believing in transubstantiation (which is inarguably a billion times more stupid)"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nIf nothing makes sense, then everything does."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>so you just have to take God's word on it.\nSo why didn't God tell this clearly in the Bible but it had to wait for over 300 years and Council of Nicaea?"}, {"id": 8, "content": "There is no good reason to listen to Paul. The fact that his teachings are so prolific and widespread all because Peter made an off-comment basically calling him a nice guy is ridiculous. It's insane how I have to search for really weird niche christian sects to find groups that ignore Paul. He's a dumbfuck that ruined Christianity, why the fuck can't anyone see that?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe dick is not the balls, the left teste is not the right teste, and the right is not the left. All three are Sneed."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nPaul did not argue for the trinity."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nPartialism"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI just hate Paul"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>5\nTransubstantiation is logical and has decent theory behind it though."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\n>God also said to Moses, “I am Sneed. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as Benis,[a] but by my name is Sneed[b] I did not make myself fully known to them. 4 I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they resided as foreigners. 5 Moreover, I have heard the groaning of the Israelites, whom the Egyptians are enslaving, and I have remembered my covenant."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat’s because the trinity is false pagan doctrine put into the Bible. It is not in the original manuscripts."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMuhammad and Ali enjoyed it."}, {"id": 17, "content": "who told you the infinite creator of everything would make sense to you"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nThen what's his point then?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause Christians had to make it up in order to claim Jesus is God while simultaneously remaining monotheistic. It's a 2,000 year cope."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nYep. It was the only way to convince the remaining Pagan Roman's and Greeks to convert to Christianity. Look at Jesus he's a human-like God like your Zeus and stuff, but also he's a God who is above Jesus and Zeus, and also he's the Holy Spirit because of reasons."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt does.\nI do not understand what about the trinity filters people."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>Jesus is above Jesus\nReally makes you think"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>only I understand trinity nobody else does"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nLol"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nPeople who read how the trinity works understand it."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nHey, if one of the smartest men ever, Newton, he invented gravity BTW, couldn't understand trinity, then none can."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>People who read how the trinity works understand it.\nIf that was true, then the Trinity heresy rabbit-hole wouldn't exist. Turns out, learning more about the Trinity does not give you a clearer idea of what it is, but what it is not.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw [Embed]"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>5\n>it's magic bro"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe wierder part is why you need to believe in it"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe trinity comes from a bunch of gay roman catholics, not from scripture."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>30\nWell, ultimately from Babylon, but was forced into 'Christianity' by the edge of the persecuting beast of prophecy Roman Catholic Cult"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>31\nThis. You don’t need to believe in false doctrine."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>27\nA rose is a flower. A tullip is a flower. An orchid is a flower.\nA rose is not a tullip, a tullip is not an orchid and an orchid is not a flower.\nNone of them are the same as each other, but all of them are a flower. They all have the characteristic of being a flower."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\n>>31\n>>30\nDo you want me to bury you guys by proving the presence of the Trinity in scripture?"}, {"id": 35, "content": "It's really simple\nset God = {the Father; the Son; the Holy Spirit}"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nI’m curious, please share."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>33\nbut a rose, tulip, and orchid are not one flower"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nAnd? They are all a flower."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>38\nSo there are three gods?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>34\nRomans 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."}, {"id": 41, "content": "The Trinity is absolute cope, and Jesus said hundreds of times he wasn't God."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nJohn 1:1 (only 2 personages). The Holy Spirit is not a person, but the spirit of God that works through a person."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>39\nNo, it's one God, with three persons being God (each on their own).\nThe Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Spirit is God. They aren't three separates gods, they are God."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nHe also made it clear where the Father was"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>43\nAlmost. Just 2."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>45\nAthanasius:\n>And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal.\nIt's three persons."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>36\n>>41\n>John 5:22-23 KJV\n>For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.\n\nSo the Son judges all men, and not the Father, right? Interesting.\n\n>Matthew 16:27 NIV\n>For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then HE will reward each person according to what they have done.\n\nSo Jesus is the one that repays everyone according to their works, right? Interesting.\n\n>Revelation 22:12-14 KJV\n>And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.\n\nWow. So, based on the verses we have just read, Jesus is the one this verse is speaking about? The one that ascribes titles that only God is beholden to? Intereeeesting.\n\n>b-b-but that's not Jesus!! You're l-lying!\n\n>Revelation 22:20 KJV\n>He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.\n\nNah, I'm pretty sure it is.\n\nAnd this is just one example. Need more?"}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>42\nRead Isa. 6:1-10\nNow read Acts 28:25-27"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe decision about trinity church policy seems more political than theological."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">And the Catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one;\n[...]\n>So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the Catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords.\nI think this is really clear.\nGod is the set (essence).\nThe Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are different objects (Persons) belonging to the same set."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\n>So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the Catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords.\nThere's beauty in simplicity. This is not one of those things."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe entire concept of religion makes no sense. You literally are just believing some words on pages for no reason other than the fact that other people believe it too."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>46\nNot a reliable source"}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>52\nAnd why should I believe your words on page on this matter?"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>48\nThis is Paul speaking on the fact that the Holy Spirit doesn’t reside in the peoples, as they have their own motives because they are not open to the gospel. A person doesn’t reside in a person, only a type of attitude, a holy attitude; the Holy Spirit. That is to say, imparted by God by following His teachings."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>47\nI mean the Bible tells the spiritual man judges all things. These are such stretches. Meanwhile we have Jesus telling us that the Father is greater than him. He can't be interchangeable with the father as God if the Father is greater than him. Somebody calls him good teacher, and he stops the man and tells him that only God is good. He wasn't puffing himself up, he was correcting the man. Jesus was accused of making himself out to be God, instead of agreeing with his accusers he defended himself -- citing Psalm 82 and asking them are they not elohim, themselves? Jesus tells us that he didn't even come on his own volition, but only because it was the will of the Father.\n\nWe have all these clear declarations, but you just ignore them and opt for these convoluted things you post."}, {"id": 57, "content": "The only interpretation of the trinity that I have read that has made sense is Swedenborg's.\nFather is the soul/intention\nSon is the body/volition\nHoly Ghost is motion/action\nAll of these are actually one, yet we can think of them as separate abstractly.\nJesus is all three, the divine-man and source of the universe."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>54\nI'm not telling you to believe anything\nI do not care what you do or believe\nI am not telling you to do things\nmy reasoning is not\n>dude trust me bro/faith"}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you want some advanced Christiautism kino, look up the Hesychast controversy\n\n>Barlaam took exception to, as heretical and blasphemous, the doctrine entertained by the Hesychasts as to the nature of the uncreated light, identical to that light which had been manifested to Jesus' disciples at the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, the experience of which was said to be the goal of Hesychast practice\n>His informants said that this light was not of the divine essence but was contemplated as another hypostasis\n>Barlaam held the concept to be polytheistic, inasmuch as it postulated two eternal beings, a visible (immanent) and an invisible (transcendent) God"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>9\nThe lore is getting more complex lately."}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Source?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\nThat's absolutely unbiblical and basically another form of partialism"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>62\n>>All of these are actually one, yet we can think of them as separate abstractly.\nThat isn't partialism because they aren't actually parts. It's a complete oneness.\nYou didn't read the bible in the true spiritual meaning of the Word if you claim that's unbiblical. Sorry anon, you've lost."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>63\nYes it is because you are claiming that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are different aspects of God (\"soul\", \"body\" and \"motion\"). In reality, each one of them is entirely God on their own, and they are all coequal."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\n>>>All of these are actually one, yet we can think of them as separate abstractly.\nThey are actually a complete oneness. They are not 'different aspects'. Is this a problem with your reading comprehension or your critical thinking?"}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>65\nNo, they are different persons of a single essence. The Father is not the Son. And neither are the Holy Spirit."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nOkay, that makes zero sense. And it is a little hypocritical for your to claim what I said was unbiblical and then post what you just posted. I think you owe me an apology."}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>56\n>These are such stretches.\nExplain the stretch?\n>Meanwhile we have Jesus telling us that the Father is greater than him.\nHebrews 2:6-9\n\n>Somebody calls him good teacher, and he stops the man and tells him that only God is good.\nHe wasn't claiming that He himself wasn't good, He was trying to convey to the rich man that he should be more considerate of who he chooses to label as \"good.\" Jesus hadn't made his identity as the Son known publically yet at that point. We know that Jesus identifies Himself as good in other parts in the Gospel, such as John 10:11.\n\n>Jesus was accused of making himself out to be God, instead of agreeing with his accusers he defended himself -- citing Psalm 82 and asking them are they not elohim, themselves?\nLiterally read the rest of the verse you're quoting. Facepalm.\n\n>Jesus tells us that he didn't even come on his own volition, but only because it was the will of the Father.\nAnd?\n\n>We have all these clear declarations, but you just ignore them and opt for these convoluted things you post.\nNo, you are only revealing your ignorance and the utter inefficacy of your uninformed low-church bible studies.\n\nNow, since you despise convolution, explain John 1:1. It is literally the most clear-cut exclamation of Jesus' divinity in the entire Bible."}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>55\nDid you not read Isaiah beforehand for the context that literally identifies the 'Holy Spirit' as the Lord that spoke to Isaiah?\n\nHere's another one:\n\nRead Psalms 95:7-11 FIRST.\nThen read Hebrews 3:7-11."}, {"id": 70, "content": "I don't believe in the trinity. However, as a human, if God really is triune, then it will be impossible to understand it as a mortal being.\n\nWe are talking about God, a force/being/ALL that is infinite in every way. You cannot even put a word on God, because He really isn't even a being like humans are - He just simply IS and always will be.\n\nIt would be like trying to make an ant understand quantum mechanics - it just simply is not possible. I don't think Christians even fully understand why their God is this way, but they just accept it through faith as the Bible hints that their God (possible true God) is this way."}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>67\nThe trinity is biblical.\nMatthew 28\n>18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.\nCorinthians, book 2, 13\n>14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the [d]communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.\nPeter, book 1, 1\n>Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,\n>To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:\n>Grace to you and peace be multiplied."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\nSorry anon, listing three things doesn't suddenly make those three the same. And if you insist on it, there is no reason why those statements don't actually support my view.\nI am still waiting on that apology to me because you have been VERY hypocritical and rude when I was just sharing an interesting viewpoint. If you consider yourself to be a good person, or at least even a decent person, the very least you could do is man up and say you are sorry."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\nAre you a modalist or partialist? Do you even believe in the Trinity?"}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nSo if the three persons are not equal and God, them why are people supposed to be baptized in the name of all three?\n>you have been VERY hypocritical and rude when I was just sharing an interesting viewpoint.\nI have only pointed that it is wrong and inherently anti-trinitarian as it opposes the coequality of the three persons.\nIf anything, you are the one who put my reading comprehension and critical thinking into question."}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>68\nJohn 1:1 is the only indicator Jesus might be God. But since Jesus contradicts this idea, one should opt to go with what he says on the issue, instead of someone else. We do know that there have been things inserted into Scripture that were not in the original Gospels. Like the story of the adulterous woman. Even Augustine admitted that that was inserted later. So if we come upon things that contradict what Jesus said in his earthly ministry, we should always default to what Jesus said.\n\nI'm also not suggesting that John 1:1 is fraudulent. Just that if it appears to contradict to Jesus, it is either fraudulent or one is misunderstanding it."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nIf they WERE three persons and co-equal, wouldn't it make sense that it were clearly written and understood in the early church? The only absolutely clear Trinitarian language in the bible was inserted into it much later.\nIf all three are really one in the divine-man Jesus LORD, then the baptism formulation makes just as much sense.\n>I have only pointed that it is wrong and inherently anti-trinitarian as it opposes the coequality of the three persons.\nI am sorry your bible is anti-trinitarian then, but I never said anything about your trinity other than that is makes no sense. The Swedenborgian trinity is the only way trinity actually makes sense, like logical sense, without throwing out the trinity. I was seriously questioning your reading comprehension because I didn't understand how you insisted that I was saying something was a part or an aspect when I explicitly said they were one. It's a completed oneness in the divine-man.\n>>73\nI acknowledge three valid readings of the bible: Swedenborgian trinity, Arian, and Unitarian."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>75\nDid you literally not read my prior post here: >>47 ?\n\nOr how about when Thomas literally calls Jesus \"My Lord and My God?\""}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\n>I acknowledge three valid readings of the bible: Swedenborgian trinity, Arian, and Unitarian.\nYou're ignorant. The early church only pronounced the Trinity as formulated in the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds as valid. I literally cannot believe that there are people STILL regurgitating ancient heresies in this modern day and age. Baffling.\n>If they WERE three persons and co-equal, wouldn't it make sense that it were clearly written and understood in the early church?\n>what is the nicene creed\nFacepalm."}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>75\n> But since Jesus contradicts this idea,\nAnd where does Jesus \"contradict\" this idea?"}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>69\nThis is Christ talking. There’s no separate entity speaking."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>77\n>Thomas\nI guess if Thomas says so.."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>80\n>This is Christ talking.\nWhich verse are you referring to?"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>77\n>Or how about when Thomas literally calls Jesus \"My Lord and My God?\"\nHe didn't. He was exclaiming to God that his Lord was in front of him. How would you just pay attention to what Jesus said instead of other people?\n\n>Did you literally not read my prior post here: >>47 # ?\nYes, I don't see anywhere in there where you illustrate Jesus saying he's God. You're just saying nuh uh to the references where he says he isn't."}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>79\n>And where does Jesus \"contradict\" this idea?\nWell Jesus said that Father is greater than him. That follows that he cannot logically be equal to the Father as God, then. I mean that's pretty straightforward. Someone calls him good teacher, and he stops the man and tells him that only God is good. He wasn't stopping the man to puff himself up. That wouldn't make any sense. He was correcting the man. The stuff is very obvious. I don't know how Jesus could have been any more clear that he wasn't God. He said it over and over again."}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>78\n>The early church only pronounced the Trinity as formulated in the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds as valid.\nThe Nicene creed was in the 300s, which I don't consider 'early church'. 300 years, generations distanced from the very first Christians, is not early.\nAnd anyway councils mean nothing considering Arian creeds were declared at the council of Antioch. It's religion by corporation, which is actually the very antithesis of religion.\nHow does your heckin epic face palm feel now?"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">>82\nHebrews 3:7-11"}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>83\n>He didn't. He was exclaiming to God that his Lord was in front of him.\nProve that.\n>Yes, I don't see anywhere in there where you illustrate Jesus saying he's God. You're just saying nuh uh to the references where he says he isn't.\nIn the Bible, who can be labelled as the \"Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last?\" Can you tell me?\n\n>>85\n>The Nicene creed was in the 300s, which I don't consider 'early church'. 300 years, generations distanced from the very first Christians, is not early.\nI don't care about your arbitrary definitions of what constitutes as \"early.\" But I will go with you. I could literally debunk Arianism or Unitarianism with the Scriptures alone, which is as early as it gets."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>86\n>Hebrews 3:7-11\nThese very verses claim that is the Holy Spirit that is talking. What are you on?"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>87\n>Prove that.\nI mean I can't prove that Thomas wasn't insane. But it seems more than reasonable he wouldn't declare Jesus God when Jesus himself declared he wasn't God."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>87\n>I could literally debunk Arianism or Unitarianism with the Scriptures alone, which is as early as it gets.\nI am not really interested in debating with you because you and I both no we will not be convinced here. Arianism and Unitarianism are both defendable and both views were represented amongst early Christians, and both views were grounded on scripture. Pretending that early Christians all belonged to one single faction from the very start is just willfully ignoring history. For what purpose? What gain do you have for doing this?"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>89\nAre you telling me that Thomas took God's name in vain and suffered no rebuke from Jesus? No, he was literally exclaiming that Jesus was his God. That's that.\n>when Jesus himself declared he wasn't God.\nWhere?"}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>90\n>I am not really interested in debating with you because you and I both no we will not be convinced here.\nYou're not interested in debate because the spirit of the devil resides in you and is urging you to flee for fear of being exposed.\n>Arianism and Unitarianism are both defendable and both views were represented amongst early Christians, and both views were grounded on scripture.\nAnd both views were promptly debunked and overruled by an infallible ecumenical council. Just stop it."}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\n*honk, honk*"}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>93\nGo away, Satan."}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>76\n>If they WERE three persons and co-equal, wouldn't it make sense that it were clearly written and understood in the early church?\nThat's how the early church understood it, though the doctrine was only fully written down and made universal with the Council of Nicaea, you know, the very first ecumenical Christian council. But there are certainly trinitarian expressions much earlier:\n>Ignatius of Antioch similarly refers to all three persons around AD 110, exhorting obedience to \"Christ, and to the Father, and to the Spirit\".[73]\n>Justin Martyr is the first to use much of the terminology that would later become widespread in codified Trinitarian theology. For example, he describes that the Son and Father are the same \"being\" (ousia) and yet are also distinct faces (prosopa), anticipating the three persons (hypostases)\n> I never said anything about your trinity other than that is makes no sense.\nIt does.\n>The Swedenborgian trinity is the only way trinity actually makes sense, like logical sense\nIt doesn't make any sense and it was made by someone who didn't understand the actual trinity, which does make sense.\n>It's a completed oneness in the divine-man.\nSo you are claiming that the Father and the Son are the same person.\n>I acknowledge three valid readings of the bible:\n>Swedenborgian trinity\nIt's fundamentally wrong because Jesus separates himself from the Father.\nMatthew 26:39\n>39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”\n>Arian, and Unitarian.\nNot Christian. They do not believe that the Christ is God."}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>92\n>You're not interested in debate because the spirit of the devil resides in you and is urging you to flee for fear of being exposed.\nYou see, you are being quite rude to suggest that I am under the influence of some devil.\n>And both views were promptly debunked and overruled by an infallible ecumenical council.\nThey were not 'debunked', they were just not in favor. There was no debunking going on at the councils, and even emperors afterword were Arian. In fact, surveys have shown that a majority of Christians across denominations agree with distinctively Arian statements, so if anything, Arian Christianity is the religion's most prevalent form, centuries after it was supposedly 'debunked'.\nSo apologize right now before you embarrass yourself any further."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>92\n>infallible ecumenical council.\nDo Unitarians or Arians believe 'ecumenical council' was infallible?"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>97\nArianist arguments were massively btfo in the council.\n>Those in opposition to Arius believed that to follow the Arian view destroyed the unity of the Godhead and made the Son unequal to the Father. They insisted that such a view was in contravention of such Scriptures as \"I and the Father are one\" (John 10:30)[61] and \"the Word was God\" (John 1:1)[62] . They declared, as did Athanasius,[63] that the Son had no beginning but had an \"eternal derivation\" from the Father and therefore was coeternal with him and equal to God in all aspects.[64]"}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\n>Justin Martyr\n>100 AD - 165 AD\nIt really took more than 100 years for trinity language to develop, and you expect me to believe it was how the early church understood it?\n>It does.\nSorry, it doesn't. 1+1+1 =/= 1\n>So you are claiming that the Father and the Son are the same person.\nThey are both indistinguishable because they are the divine-man, the completed oneness. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Btw if you are equating diving with Father and man with Son than you are committing a heresy under your own beliefs because you must believe Christ had both a divine and a human nature. Checkmate.\n>Matthew 26:39\nNot as mere volition, but as intention. It's like you don't even know the spiritual reading of the WORD.\n>They do not believe that the Christ is God.\nArians believe that Christ is a God. You're wrong again."}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>96\n>You see, you are being quite rude to suggest that I am under the influence of some devil.\nI'm not being rude. I'm telling you as it is. If you want to resist the devil's influence, then you can either debate me, or immediately seek education regarding the supremacy of the Trinity over these satanic ancient heresies long since denounced.\n>They were not 'debunked', they were just not in favor. There was no debunking going on at the councils, and even emperors afterword were Arian. In fact, surveys have shown that a majority of Christians across denominations agree with distinctively Arian statements, so if anything, Arian Christianity is the religion's most prevalent form, centuries after it was supposedly 'debunked'.\nSo apologize right now before you embarrass yourself any further.\nYes, they were debunked. If an ecumenical council makes a dogmatic assertion, it is infallible. Also, stop appealing to the poorly-catechized masses as evidence for the authenticity of your satanic doctrine.\n>>97\n>Do Unitarians or Arians believe 'ecumenical council' was infallible?\nWho cares what they think? They were heretics not in communion with the church."}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>99\n>Sorry, it doesn't. 1+1+1 =/= 1\nOkay so you fully do not understand what the trinity is about."}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>100\nWho cares what you think? You you're a heretics not in communion with the (real) church.\n\nAm I arguing like a papist yet?"}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\nOkay, answer me these questions.\n1. Was Jesus begotten or unbegotten?\n2. Is Jesus greater than the Father?\n3. Does Jesus command the Father?\n4. Does Jesus sit on the throne of God?"}, {"id": 104, "content": ">>98\n>made the Son unequal to the Father\nI recall Jesus saying something to that effect.."}, {"id": 105, "content": ">>101\nPerhaps you do not fully understand what it is about. Please, if you know, now is the time to explain it to me. In your own words. No copy positing anything, no formulas. Explain to me how you truly understand this so-easy-to-get doctrine, in your own words."}, {"id": 106, "content": ">>103\n1. The Son was begotten. Not made, or birthed, or created, but eternally *begotten.*\n2. No, the Son is co-equal with the father.\n3. No, the Son does not command the Father.\n4. Yes, the Son does sit on the throne of God."}, {"id": 107, "content": ">>106\n>The Son was begotten. Not made, or birthed, or created, but eternally *begotten.*\nOkay, what does 'begotten' mean?\n>No, the Son is co-equal with the father.\n'The father is greater than I' - Jesus\n> No, the Son does not command the Father.\nAnd yet the Father commands Jesus. Very interesting. 'I do exactly what my Father has commanded me' - Jesus.\n>Yes, the Son does sit on the throne of God.\nWrong, he sits at the right hand of the throne."}, {"id": 108, "content": ">>105\nSee >>35 >>50\nThe Athanasian creed is very clear.\nHere's the analogy I posted earlier >>33"}, {"id": 109, "content": ">>108\nOkay, so you believe three Gods? Your analogy implies there are three different Gods. If the Anthanasian creed is very clear I thought you could explain it to me quite clearly. That is, if you understood it."}, {"id": 110, "content": ">>107\n>Okay, what does 'begotten' mean?\nWhen we say that the Son is begotten, we mean that he is of the same substance as the Father.\n>'The father is greater than I' - Jesus\nRead Hebrews 2:6-9, heretic.\n>And yet the Father commands Jesus. Very interesting. 'I do exactly what my Father has commanded me' - Jesus.\nMhm. And?\n>Wrong, he sits at the right hand of the throne.\nRevelations 3:21.\n\nSee? You're just outing yourself as completely ignorant. You need to repent."}, {"id": 111, "content": ">>107\nnta but\n>'The father is greater than I' - Jesus\nHe's talking about his human nature.\nAquinas explains this:\n>[4] But how the saying of our Lord, “The Father is greater than I” must be understood we are taught by the Apostle. Since “greater” is referred to ‘lesser,” one must understand that this is said of the Son so far as He is lessened. Now, the Apostle shows that He is lessened by taking on the servile form—in such wise, however, that in the divine form He exists the equal of God the Father, for he says: “Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant” (Phil. 2:6-7). Nor is it wondrous if for this reason the Father be said to be greater than He, since He was even made lesser than the angels; the Apostle says: “We see Jesus, who was made a little lesser than the angels, for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour” (Heb. 2:9).\n>From this it is also clear that in the same way the Son is said to be “subject to the Father”; namely, in His human nature. This is to be gathered from the very context of the expression. For the Apostle had already said: “For by a man came death, and by a man the resurrection of the dead”; and afterwards he had subjoined: “Everyone shall rise in his own order: the firstfruits Christ, then they that are of Christ”; and later he added: “Afterwards the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God and the Father”; and when he has shown what sort of kingdom this is, namely, that things must be subject to it, he consequently subjoins: “When all things shall be subdued unto Him, then the Son also Himself shall be subject unto Him that put all things under Him” (1 Cor. 15:23-28). The very context of the expression, therefore, shows that this ought to be understood of Christ so far as He is man, for thus did He die and rise again."}, {"id": 112, "content": ">>109\nNo, God is just one. I made that very clear. The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, but these are not three separate gods. This is a core concept of Christianity.\nIt's not \"1+1+1=1\", it's a mathematical set."}, {"id": 113, "content": ">>110\n>When we say that the Son is begotten, we mean that he is of the same substance as the Father.\nLOL, so you are just being disingenuous because you know that's bullshit.\n>Read Hebrews 2:6-9, heretic\nOkay, I just read that. How does that in any way negate the point? I am cracking a smile because you are calling Jesus' own words false and heretical.\n>Mhm. And?\nJesus is subordinate to the Father.\n>Revelations 3:21.\n' I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.' He sits WITH the father. Read Hebrews 12:2, you know, the scripture you earlier quoted.\n\nBut go on, put your head deeper up your ass."}, {"id": 114, "content": "It's rather simple, actually."}, {"id": 115, "content": ">>112\nNo, you see, you list three things and say they are one but not the same. That's illogical. Saying three flowers are still flowers and saying that's analogous to the trinity is false because those three separate flowers are not the same flower."}, {"id": 116, "content": ">>115\nIs a rose a flower? Yes or no?"}, {"id": 117, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n0 = shorthand for .000...1\n1 = shorthand for .999...\n\nthe three ones"}, {"id": 118, "content": ">No, you see, you list three things and say they are one but not the same. That's illogical. Saying three numbers [eg.: 1, 2 and 3] are still Natural numbers and saying that's analogous to the trinity is false because those three numbers are not the same numbers."}, {"id": 119, "content": ">>111\nHe wasn't talking about his 'human nature', he was talking about himself. Sorry Aquinaschud, but even by admitting he was 'lessened, emptied, lower' in any sense for any time is essentially an Arian argument because he is no longer co-equal with the Father in some way. Did that thought seriously not cross your mind?"}, {"id": 120, "content": ">>113\n>LOL, so you are just being disingenuous because you know that's bullshit.\nExplain the \"bullshit?\" When a person makes something, they make something other than themselves—a sculptor makes a statue. But if that sculptor begets something, it will be another person of the same kind as himself.\n>Okay, I just read that. How does that in any way negate the point? I am cracking a smile because you are calling Jesus' own words false and heretical.\nIs the devil in you rendering you blind?\nHebrews 2:9 - But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.\n\nJesus was made lower than the angels FOR A LITTLE WHILE. A LITTLE WHILE. The Father was greater than him while he was on Earth.\n\n>Jesus is subordinate to the Father.\nSo? How does that prove that they aren't co-equal and consubstantial? How does this prove that the Son is ontologically inferior to the Father?\n>He sits WITH the father.\nHe sits with the Father on what? On whose throne is Jesus sitting down on in that verse?\n\n>But go on, put your head deeper up your ass.\nEverybody is laughing at you, you know that?"}, {"id": 121, "content": ">>116\nYes, a rose is a flower. Are three different roses the same flower?"}, {"id": 122, "content": ">>121\nThey are not the same, in the same sense that the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the Father.\nBut all three are a flower in the analogy and all three are God in the trinity."}, {"id": 123, "content": ">>121\nThey all participate in the form of flower, yes"}, {"id": 124, "content": ">>118\nONE = One = one. See, exactly."}, {"id": 125, "content": ">>122\n>But all three are a flower in the analogy\nThis is perfectly compatible with polytheism"}, {"id": 126, "content": ">>119\n>accusing Aquinas of being a heretic\nnontrinitarians sure are funny"}, {"id": 127, "content": ">>120\n>Explain the \"bullshit?\" When a person makes something, they make something other than themselves—a sculptor makes a statue. But if that sculptor begets something, it will be another person of the same kind as himself.\nOkay, if God begat Jesus then you admitting that Jesus was a begotten creature. You are an Arian now. Congratulations.\n>FOR A LITTLE WHILE. A LITTLE WHILE.\nIn your anathasian creed you say Jesus is immeasurable, immutable, eternal, etc. etc. No change can become of him FOR ANY TIME or else he is mutable and measurable.\n\"He is seated at the Father's right hand\" is written in that same creed that you say is authoritative. So are you saying the creed is wrong and you are right?"}, {"id": 128, "content": ">>125\nNo it isn't. Polytheism believes in several gods. Christianity believes in a single God."}, {"id": 129, "content": ">>122\nSo 'God' to you is just a class of beings, got it."}, {"id": 130, "content": ">>129\nAthanasius used the term essence, but I think you are starting to get it."}, {"id": 131, "content": ">>130\nAnon, I was giving you an opportunity to go against me. That's not Trinitarian, tri-theism again."}, {"id": 132, "content": ">>127\n>Okay, if God begat Jesus then you admitting that Jesus was a begotten creature. You are an Arian now. Congratulations.\nHow does that make me an Arian? An Arian does not believe that Christ is consubstantial with the Father.\n>In your anathasian creed you say Jesus is immeasurable, immutable, eternal, etc. etc. No change can become of him FOR ANY TIME or else he is mutable and measurable.\n\"He is seated at the Father's right hand\" is written in that same creed that you say is authoritative. So are you saying the creed is wrong and you are right?\nWhat do you mean by \"change\" here? What about what I said implied any sort of change?"}, {"id": 133, "content": ">>131\nNo it isn't, because God is just one. There aren't three gods."}, {"id": 134, "content": ">>132\n>How does that make me an Arian?\nBecause it implies that Jesus was a created creature, at one point yet to be begotten, even from a point of eternity, reliant on the Father (thus subordinate) for his begetting, etc. Forms of Arianism did indeed accept consubstantialism, but limited this to certain points in history, usually either the virgin birth, after baptism, or on the cross. He was MADE consubstantial, as a created being. It sounds like you believe this.\n>What do you mean by \"change\" here?\nIf something to be eternal, it must not be subject to change. If something were to change, it would be able to be altered, and thus subject under the power of something else, mutable, and eventually able to be destroyed. God is explicitly not under any power, eternal in essence, and thus cannot change in essence. Your words: 'Jesus was made lower than the angels FOR A LITTLE WHILE. A LITTLE WHILE'. You are basically a closet subordinationist."}, {"id": 135, "content": ">Absolute unity is the supreme reason and the last of all things. Yet this reason can neither be one person nor three persons: it is one reason, and it is reason par excellence."}, {"id": 136, "content": ">>134\n>Because it implies that Jesus was a created creature, at one point yet to be begotten,\nWhat did I JUST say was the difference between creation and begetting something? Were you not listening?\n>Forms of Arianism did indeed accept consubstantialism, but limited this to certain points in history, usually either the virgin birth, after baptism, or on the cross. He was MADE consubstantial, as a created being. It sounds like you believe this.\nThe Son is eternally begotten. Stop being ignorant.\n\n>If something to be eternal, it must not be subject to change. If something were to change, it would be able to be altered, and thus subject under the power of something else, mutable, and eventually able to be destroyed. God is explicitly not under any power, eternal in essence, and thus cannot change in essence. Your words: 'Jesus was made lower than the angels FOR A LITTLE WHILE. A LITTLE WHILE'. You are basically a closet subordinationist.\n\nSigh. Read Philippians 2:6-11. I NEVER claimed that the Son changed in ontological essence. It was a voluntary demotion.\n\nSee? You're just making yourself look more and more ignorant. It's embarrassing."}, {"id": 137, "content": ">>134\n>Because it implies that Jesus was a created creature\nIt doesn't. Begotten doesn't imply that the Son was made by the Father, it means that they are of the same substance. They are both coeternal."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">muh le existence of god cant be disproved so my kike on stick with his daddy on clouds can be real\nNo. Though the existence of the god as a creator of the universe really can't be disproved, we already know for sure that the Abrahamic god, Yahweh or El, doesn't exist.\nExcuses?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "They have a bunch of arguments that could also be used to say Santa Claus and Fairies are real, AKA useless arguments"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>we already know for sure that the Abrahamic god, Yahweh or El, doesn't exist\nI think it's unlikely, but we can't know that."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNatural theology proves a prime mover but it certainly doesn't prove the Abrahamic God. Taoism, Hinduism and Platonism fit better"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nNo, we know it for sure. We already know how this religion has evolved and can certainly say it wasn't a divine testament in any way.\n>>unknown\nStill way better than the average Abrahamist i.e. a brown ape from the southern hemisphere.\n>>4\nElaborate, please, it's interesting."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>We already know how this religion has evolved and can certainly say it wasn't a divine testament in any way.\nThat it has evolved over time doesn't prove it wasn't divinely inspired, it just shows that the divine origin of revelation isn't consistent. In Catholicism for example there's concept of gradual revelation, where God reveals himself to Man fully only in part. For example, the Law was revealed to Moses, and the \"fulfillment of the Law\" by Jesus.\n\nI don't believe it, and you may correctly see it as a post-facto justification of inconsistencies, but it's pretty fundamental to Christianity. It's not something that disproves it. A bunch of Christian early theology is dedicated to explaining the relationships between earlier revelation in the OT and that of the NT."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nMaybe I put it wrong, I'm not speaking about NT-OT relations or whatever, I mean Abrahamism originally is just an extension of Canaanite pagan religion. El is just a favored spirit of mud and the whole creation myth is Sumerian."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nMost Christians are uncomfortable with that, but I think the same argument still applies, particularly when we're talking about passages in the OT that imply the existence of one God. It is entirely consistent to say that first God revealed to the Israelites to only worship him alone before telling them there is in fact one god.\n\nAnd I wouldn't say\n>Abrahamism originally is just an extension of Canaanite pagan religion.\nIt was originally a political/religious movement that emerged out of a culture that primarily worshipped the West Semitic pantheon, or rather their local version.\nReading the OT, it's pretty clear that Elohim is the El that everyone else worships. Other people clearly know about him in the OT, like Balaam in Numbers.\n\nIt's more of a fact buried in obscurity and the fact that without additional cultural context it's hard to see in the OT since it's explicitly in many parts a refutation of the old model."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>Sumerian\nAkkadian, my bad.\n>>8\nI'm actually struggling with trying to explain why these facts completely debunk Abrahamism, it looks absolutely self-evidient for me.\n>the same argument still applies\nNo, as it proves there just was no any testament and El had existed thousands years before supposed revelation in Iron Age."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>that first God revealed\nSee this also: >>unknown →\n>>Inb4: muh yahweh in bible whines kikes mix him with their old gods so muh\n>Then Bible itself has nothing to do with Yahweh."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>El had existed thousands years before supposed revelation in Iron Age.\nIf you take the OT at face value it does not say that. Before Moses God was also revealed to all the patriarches. Abraham is blessed by a Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, who was most likely some kind of Canaanite in the story.\n\nIn Exodus 6, it says none of the Patriarchs knew the name Yahweh, but knew God as \"El Shaddai\"."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\n>>8\n>as it proves\nAnd as it implies this \"revelation\" itself is non-divine as supposedly divine Genesis myth was taken straight from another culture."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n>the name Yahweh\nIt's just \"I am that I am\" as it was said in the thread above."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nIt was not \"stolen\" from another culture, these were common stories and myths in the region which the biblical authors had their own take on."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nNah, that's a cheeky pun in Exodus off the name Yahweh."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>8\nAlso this, forgot it:\n>What's more, there's a reason many descriptions of YHVH from the O.T. are more or less directly lifted from the Ugaritic Ba'al Cycle.\n>>14\nIt literally means \"stolen\" and it literally means \"from another\" culture. It wasn't divine.\n>>15\nBarely. His name is El."}, {"id": 17, "content": "So, some summary:\n0. Abrahamism originally is just an extension of Canaanite pagan religion. El is just a favored spirit of mud, the whole Genesis myth is Akkadian, most descriptions of El are directly lifted from the Ugaritic Baal Cycle.\n1. It proves there just was no any testament and El had existed thousands years before supposed revelation in Iron Age.\n2. It proves the \"revelation\" itself is non-divine as supposedly divine Genesis myth was taken straight from another culture.\n3. If it implies kikes mixed El with their own idols against his will, it also implies OT is not his revelation."}, {"id": 18, "content": "."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">And when eight days were fulfilled to circumcise the child, his name was called Jesus\nYou want me to worship a guy with a mutilated dick?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n“Muh dick.”\nFuck off, nigger."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf he had a foreskin would you worship him?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNiggers love genital mutilation."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLets not forget he also advocated that his followers castrate themselves:\nMatthew 19:12\n>For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.\n\nSay what you will about Jesus, he clearly had some pretty fucked up psychosexual issues"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\n>even with mutilated dicks Black folks are still way better endowed than white \"males\"\nWhitebois... things aren't looking too good for us"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCalm down, his daddy has a huge dick."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\n>>3\nIf Jesus was fully human, does that mean his brain was altered by this traumatic procedure?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>uuh you have to cut your child or suffer my wrath\n\nWhat did the creator of the universe mean by this?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>Male circumcision is the oldest known human surgical procedure, with historical records and archeological evidence dating the practice back to ancient Egyptians in the 23rd century BCE\n>However, in ancient Egypt and other cultures in Africa, only part of the foreskin was removed. In the Pacific islands, the frenum was snipped but the foreskin was left unmodified. This is interesting considering a Biblical reference where Yahweh commands the Israelites to circumcise their children again, “a second time” (Joshua 5:2). This could imply that some of them had already been circumcised the Egyptian way and had to be circumcised the Jewish or Israelite way.\n>In Egypt, it was typically done on adolescent men who were about to be initiated into the priesthood or as adult males of the noble class. It is not clear that this is the case from archaeological and historical records, but Egyptian circumcision may also have been used to demarcate a special elite class. Egyptian circumcision is depicted on temple walls where young men are seen being restrained as a priest performs the circumcision with a knife.\n\nBasically the Jewish rite of circumcision originated from them emulating Egyptian royalty, which is ironic considering they were originally the slave caste of Egypt (carrying out the circumcisions but banned from doing it to themselves)."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nhe was circumcised so we don't have to\nglad i'm not born in a desert shithole or the US"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\n>jews were never slaves in egypt!\n>uh, actually, jews were a slave caste in egypt wewuzzing the pharaohs\nwhy are atheoids like this"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo. Jewsus wants you to mutilate your sons dicks too."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nNo one says this even Herodotus admits that Jews were slaves in Egypt except he calls them Phoenicians"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe circumcision we know and hate today is a jewish invention after the life of Jesus to prevent jews from forsaking their identity and growing out their foreskins again.\n\nJesus was circumscized in a manner that would hardly even be recognized as a circumcision today. God wasn't asking the Israelites to permanently mutilate their genitals in a harmful and unhealthy manner, only to mark themselves as set apart by His covenant in a physical way, in a man wr by which one of them could still undo the procedure and thus remove themselves from the covenant anyways. Which, plenty of them did."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\n>Before around 500 BC, the original circumcision ceremony amongst the Hebrews, known as \"Brit Milah\", literally translating to \"the covenant of the word\", consists of a ritualistic nick to the penis\nI've read this claim and I wish it were true, but I've never seen any evidence of it."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">let's declare war on the whole world\n>TWICE\nwho the fuck thought this was a good idea?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Poland is the whole world"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUOT46ucrk [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit started as a joke"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>he still thinks they're separate"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Zulu BVLLS are just too powerful for the world to control."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\neverything outside of europe was completely irrelevant back then"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nSo Hitler was really just fighting to finish the Berlin-Baghdad railway the whole time?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nThats what your mother said."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n\nImagine believing this\nGo back to school and learn some basic geography"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Germans are absolute retards at foreign policy. It took one German with a decent foreign policy to turn them into a superpower, this is not a testament to how great Bismarck was. Because in reality, Germany was bound to be a superpower no matter what, rather it is a testament to how insanely fucking retarded German foreign policy is. They isolated themselves from Greatest Ally™ Britain twice and autistically chose to focus their teutonic rage on the Russians twice. The Germans are so bad at foreign policy, they are like a black hole that just sucks in it's neighbors into whatever autistic shenanigans they are up to."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">almost every if not every single comment and thread Christians make about non-religious people specifically addresses atheists and atheism\nWhy don’t Christians ever address agnostics, deists, non-religious, pantheists, panentheists or other non- religious theists?\nAnd no I don’t care that you personally view pantheism as a type of atheism, I’m asking why Christians never address people who full on believe in God but not Christianity."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>agnostics, deists, non-religious, pantheists, panentheists\ni address the LGBT as well"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause everything is a dichotomy in their head. That's why pascals wager makes sense to them"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nBut that’s just so fucking dumb…"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNobody said christians were smart."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey're afraid. Yahweh's existence was completely debunked while the existence of most other possible gods wasn't.\n>>5\nTrue. The average abrahamist is brown."}, {"id": 7, "content": "I’ve asked before and never got an answer. The best answer I’ve found is that pretty much every argument you see against atheists/atheism is just parroted from theologians and YouTubers specifically about atheism, and Christians are literally incapable of going off script"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost online Christians are from Christian-majority/formerly-Christian-majority countries and the overwhelming number of people of other \"religions\" they interact with IRl will likely be agnostics/atheists/\"spiritual but not religious\" etc, it's only natural they'd extrapolate that to here."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmost \"religious\" posters here are one of the following\n>contrarians who just view religion as something to make group they don't like mad\n>autists who have a black and white mentality so think they are all the same to begin with\n>schizos\n>retards who probably don't really understand what those other stances really are"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nI’ve literally never seen any American religious study that has atheists as the majority of non-religions people. Almost everyone is some form of agnostic, vague higher power or non-religious theist. Regardless they have no arguments against non-religious theists or even agnostics for that matter, it’s almost always complaining about atheists.\nThey will literally call you one even if you aren’t one"}, {"id": 11, "content": "They're a waste of time and as void of reason as they are of faith. Generally debate is a waste of time but I would be open to talking to a Buddhist or a more intelligent pagan. Muslims and atheists are beneath contempt."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nJust read the Apology by Plato. Socrates gives a less retarded version of the wager there."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>why Christians never address people who full on believe in God but not Christianity\nThey don't exist"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause they're ignoramuses who don't know what they are!"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Does IP actually have any real reason to exist? It seems to only incentivize laziness and turns art into products. Property rights exist as a way to manage scarcity, but there's no scarcity of ideas. How did it come about that you could \"own\" an idea?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "what the fuck is that image"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nTangentially related to the topic of intellectual property"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt exists so that you can monetize ideas without people stealing them, thus incentivizing creativity and innovation. If anyone would copy my book and republish it, then I could make no money as an author for example.\n\nIt's a practical necessity, though there should obviously be limits on it, like how ideas enter the public domain after a certain amount of time passes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nIt doesn't seem to incentivize that at all though, look at megacorps that just sit on their IPs so consoomers can consume them. Everything Disney is the perfect example."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoes anything manmade have a reason to exist?\nIP is a government mandated monopoly. It benefits those who get the monopoly granted to them and it hurts everybody else."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's one of those immensely judaic ideas like credit scores and stock shorting that seem unfathomably perverse and jewish if you don't grow up getting brainwashed into thinking they're normal"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nHow were ideas created for all the centuries before IP existed?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>5\n> look at megacorps that just sit on their IPs so consoomers can consume them\nIf people consoom the IP then it holds value to people. If nobody wants it then the IP is worthless and the IP holder doesn't gain anything from it.\nJust because a system is geared towards normies doesn't mean it's broken."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nThey weren't, Shakespeare didn't exist."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>5\nWell if you don't have any protections then Disney could take my children's story and monetize it without any possible legal recourse.\n\nWhat you're talking about is something that is solved partially by how things eventually enter the public domain.\nHow we enforce the laws and what they should be exactly is something debatable, but we do need some sort of IP laws."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThen who wrote the plays credited to him?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nLook at Star Wars, it holds value because the original movies were good, but after Lucas sold it it's been absolute shit because of IP. People only consoom the new stuff because it's the only legal Star Wars content and the old stuff was good enough that they're hooked."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>8\nFor the vast majority of that time mass publication did not exist. Everything had to be copied by hand by a scribe."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\nThe Walt Disney Company ®"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nYou're free to create your own entertaining IP's at any time. Joss Whedon basically made his own Star Wars with the serial numbers scratched off and called it Firefly."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>14\nYes, and?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEvery time, absolutely every time, these types of images have BMWF sexual subculture themes somewhere.\nJesus, you fetishistic weirdos."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>11\n>Disney could take my children's story and monetize it without any possible legal recourse\nWell yes, but you would gain a huge amount of attention from it if it were successful, and they'd have to publish it in a way that adds value. I'm not saying that original authors shouldn't be credited or anything, that would be fraud if they pretended they wrote it."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>13\nThe only legal Star Wars content? Last I checked fanfiction isn't illegal."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>18\nIt's because basedciety has BMWF themes in it, it's disgusting and these memes make fun of it. The sterotypical consoomer supports BMWF"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nWhy shouldn't people be free to choose who they want to date and marry regardless of race?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome nonsense invented by the copyright industry."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>20\nIt's definitely a grey area, at least morally."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\nDude, it's weird af.\n\nThe fact that it's the only porn thing in the image says a lot, and the fact that has a QoS symbol shows...more than a passing knowledge of the whole thing."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>20\nIf IP owners wanted to they probably could get fanfiction taken down. And fair use is arbitrary and retarded, it only exists because IP would be universally recognized as awful without it"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>5\nIt incentivizes them to create interesting IPs (or purchase them in their infancy), because they can profit off of it long-term.\nAbusing them by creating a million remakes, spinoffs, and sequels is the fault of the consumer for having zero standards. Admittedly, production committees are also extremely unimaginative right now which exacerbates the problem.\n>>7\nI'm sure if you were renting out part of your house you wouldn't want a prospective tenant's credit score checked."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>22\nBecause I feel like it's bad\n>>25\nWell if somebody is violently against something they'll probably know a lot about that topic"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>24\nMorally? How do you figure? Humans have been taking existing art as a basis and remixing it for millennia, I doubt we'll stop any time soon.\n>>26\nTo my understanding, the people who run AO3 have a whole team of lawyers dedicated to defending the existence of fanfiction. You can't sell it but as far as I know writing it online is generally agreed to be legal."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\nYou personal feelings are irrelevant to what's actually good or bad."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\n>I'm sure if you were renting out part of your house you wouldn't want a prospective tenant's credit score checked.\nNot everyone lives in your ZOGtopia idiot"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>13\n>People only consoom\nThe reason why they consoom nuSW is irrelevant. They do it. If they stop, Disney won't earn money from SW. If Disney makes money out of SW it's because people are paying for it.\n>>24\n>>26\nNo it's definitely not. Non-monetized fanfiction is perfectly legal, at least in the US."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\nSo you would let someone move in and destroy your property?"}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>28\n>Well if somebody is violently against something they'll probably know a lot about that topic\n\nYeah, no.\n\nThe only reason i know it is because i think the area is hot. Kinda hard to have an in-depth knowledge of this via research.\n\nI doubt you know specific trannie or gay sex things, for example, even if you dislike it.\nI don't, and i really hate hem."}, {"id": 35, "content": "Ownership of some things make sense, like clothes. Ownership of knowledge, ideas or information does not make sense and keeps us back."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>27\n>Abusing them by creating a million remakes, spinoffs, and sequels is the fault of the consumer for having zero standards\nIt's not, people won't just organically decide to not consume that, that's not how mass psychology works.\n>It incentivizes them to create interesting IPs (or purchase them in their infancy), because they can profit off of it long-term.\nWell that's not working very well because art in general sucks now. People are going to make art no matter what, just look at all the amazing classical music composed before IP law."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>32\nThat's why I said it was an ethical grey area, its inappropriate to use someone else's IP."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>30\nOkay then, why is murder bad? You'll be hard pressed to explain why without \"I feel like it's bad\" or \"I believe in a religion that says it's bad\".\n>>34\nI know more about trannies than the average person and I support them less than the average person. I don't watch BMWF content or visit spaces but it's a common topic for online right wingers to get mad about, and for good reason."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>32\n>Non-monetized fanfiction is perfectly legal, at least in the US.\nOnly because it would be a PR nightmare if companies were to prosecute writers."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>35\nI agree, and fundamentally it's because objects have scarcity and others don't. Imagine if you could copyright mathematics discoveries you made, that would be awful."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>38\nNah, that's easy enough to answer. Murder is bad because it causes someone who had goals and desires to stop existing and not be able to fulfill their goals, plus it causes pain to the victim and to the people who loved them."}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>32\n>If Disney makes money out of SW it's because people are paying for it.\nThis.\n\nAnd Disney isn't even making money or content off the sequel stuff, they are greenlighting shows and games that expand the story for stuff sometime during the 6 movie timeline.\n\nWhen they recently wanted to expand the timeline more, they decided to stay very clear of the Abrams era, and instead now experiment with the High Republic stuff, which is way earlier than everything else."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>33\nThose two things are not connected at all you brainlet.\n>system that incentivizes you to BORROW MONEY and make yourself into a debt slave\n>if you never borrow and you're debt free for life you somehow have a lower score than a good goy with 5 mortgages always paying his goy tax (interest) on time\n>checking your detailed credit score will actually lower it, it's not for the goyim to know\n>for some inexplicable reason tied to your ability to rent which is also incentivized since buying property debt-free is not kosher\nYou are not human in any meaningful definition of the word"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>41\nYou're begging the question: why is it bad to stop someone from existing and being able to further their goals? Why is it bad to cause pain to others? Your feelings? We both know that's the answer, you just believe it to be true. So if I think the same applies to non-white men getting with white women, who are you to say I'm wrong?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>38\n>I don't watch BMWF content or visit spaces but it's a common topic for online right wingers to get mad about, and for good reason.\n\nIt's one thing to be angry about IR porn in general, it's another to use stuff like fucking Queen of Spades symbols in your memes.\n\nWhoever made it is def a BMWF conneiseur."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nBecause none of us individually want those things for ourselves so we come together to form a society that minimizes any given person's chances of having those things happen to them."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nI only know of it because it's prominent in 'jak memes, I'm sure somewhere down the line the person who first made a meme like that liked interracial porn but it's known enough in right wing memes.\n>>46\nSo the Holocaust was justified because the German people wanted it? So laws against interracial relationships were good in the past when most people agreed with them? I agree with the latter but not the former, you just seem to be a moral nihilist."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>47\nWell, no, because the victims very much did not want it."}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>47\n>I only know of it because it's prominent in 'jak memes, I'm sure somewhere down the line the person who first made a meme like that liked interracial porn but it's known enough in right wing memes.\n\nI don't know, seems like a lot of denial for liking BMWF, ateast as taboo(hardcore feminists magical realm the same thing, with super-submissive political fantasies\""}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>36\n>It's not, people won't just organically decide to not consume that, that's not how mass psychology works.\nThey do, tons of franchises fall into obscurity. Go look at a list of early 20th century high-grossing films.\nThey also aren't competing with just movies - they are competing with all different kinds of media and recreational activities - streamed content, video games, etc.\n>just look at all the amazing classical music composed before IP law\nModern-looking copyright legislation began in the 18th century. I'm frankly not familiar about which classical works were and weren't copyrighted."}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>48\nPeople who go to prison don't want to go to prison but it's morally justified to do so, why? Give up already dude, I'm right and you know it."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>51\nBecause that's necessary for the greater good of society. The Holocaust wasn't."}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>43\n>Those two things are not connected at all\nYes they are, I want to rent my property to someone who pays off their loans, not someone low status who will treat it like shit and force me to chase them for rent.\n\nYou don't need a perfect credit score to rent an apartment and most functioning human beings have passable ones."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>50\nThis is just from Googling and Wikipedia, but copyright in Germany didn't really exist until the late 19th century, decades after Beethoven wrote his greatest works. We both know art's always gonna be made, IP doesn't make it better"}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>52\nAnd how are you defining the greater good of society? I think it's good for the greater good of society to prevent racemixing, why am I wrong?"}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>55\nWhy do you think it's for the greater good of society? Who do you think is harmed?"}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>53\nWhat is a tenant conduct database you brown eyed greasy skinned disgusting rat\nWHY THE FUCK DOES YOUR ABILITY TO PAY RENT NEED TO BE TIED TO YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TAKE ON DEBT\nFuck you nigger"}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>56\nWhite people as a collective. But you'll question me and eventually we'll get to a point where I have a moral axiom that you disagree with. And there will be no logical way to justify it, I just believe it to be true. You have the same thing when you say it's bad to cause others undue pain."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nNTA and I probably generally agree with your politics, but if you're reliable at paying off debt it's reasonable to assume you're reliable at paying rent"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>58\nHow does it harm white people as a collective? Does it harm black people as a collective too?"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>59\nYes anon\nIf you attend a synagogue on time it's reaaonable to assume you will also arrive at work on time\nTherefore every prospective employer needs to check your synagogue attendance first before hiring you"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>57\n>tenant conduct database\nthis only accounts for people who have rented before. A credit check is more up to date on a tenant's capacity to pay rent."}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>54\n>We both know art's always gonna be made\nI'm not sure this is true, at least not to the same scale. Classical composers still had incentives encouraging them to produce music (upper status patrons). IP legislation gives more opportunity for a creator to monetize their work."}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>62\n>Well gee anon your good goy index isn't high enough to sign a lease with us. You need to first borrow some money you don't need and pay interest to Schlomo to prove you're not a delinquent."}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>64\nSeems reasonable to me."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>60\nBecause it leads to non-white people being born where otherwise white people would have been born. It's bad to have blacks in white families. And yes."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>66\nWhy does it matter to you what race other people are?"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>65\n>t. kike"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How Greek are the Turks genetically?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "actual greek? probably like 5%\nanatolian greek? like 75%"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n40 percent."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis isn't Gayreek arap swarthoid genes expressing themselves in this dude but the genetic affinity to Churkas."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nu read the question wrong anon"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAlexander the Great looked like this."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nbalkan mutt"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTurks are 0% Greek, Greeks are 30% (real Mycenaean-like) Greek."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n>Greeks are 30% (real Mycenaean-like) Greek\nIt's only 20% for Achaean Greeks (>>3) plus like 10% for Ionian Greeks."}, {"id": 10, "content": "Turks are 0% Greek.\n\nTurks are 100% Armeno Slavic."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProbably 100% Greek Bvlls"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhttps://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/meet-alcibiades-privileged-narcissistic-trump-ancient-greece/"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n0%"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nThis one's bad and doesn't make any sense. How are Meds more East Asian than Slavs?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did his wives keep cheating on him? Hitler never had to deal with that shit from Eva Braun."}, {"id": 2, "content": "His marriage to Josephine is what happens when a guy falls for a slut. As for Marie Louise, I don't think she started cheating on him until after he got sent into exile."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nzesty"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>As for Marie Louise, I don't think she started cheating on him until after he got sent into exile.\nWithin mere months of the whole being sent to Elba thing being worked out - with her having no intention of reuniting with him and reuniting him with his son on said island despite the lack of official provisions preventing such a move."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHitler shot his niece for cucking him with his chauffeur.\nNo surprise that she'd want a real man after being with that incestous pervert."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What is your opinion on the inevitable reign of the One Thousand Year American Empire? From a history and humanities perspective, of course."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnot lindy"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nBut it is"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nits alright\n\ncould be better, could be worse"}, {"id": 5, "content": "E pluribus unum"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Saying \"I worship satan\" while trashtalking on Call of Duty isn't enough to make me, an active christian, be sent to hell... right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI’ve got bad news man…"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIdk ask Jay dyer"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDon't worry, God has a plan."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThis. All of creation is God's plan. He decides your fate, not you. Otherwise he wouldn't be God."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Discuss the historical and cultural significance of the Star Wars franchise (first released 46 years ago as of this month)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPretending to like the prequel trilogy is a reddit meme."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\niirc they criticize the prequels in the big bang theory, so I assume that the plebbit position is that prequels bad."}, {"id": 4, "content": "manchild shit"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n\nYes, but it's historically impactful manchild shit"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\n>>2\nr/PrequelMemes is ground zero for prequel apologists. Simping for the shitty prequels is historically a reddit position and this can be proved with hard data. Prequels are not \"based\", they are a mess and bad films containing characters that are impossible to like.\n\nZoomers think RLM invented hating the prequels. I am old enough to tell you that people left the theater opening night pissed the fuck off. Every point gone over in Plinkett's prequel trilogy reviews were not revelations, they were what all fans already knew condensed into a humorous video.\n\nThat being said, the prequels are masterpieces compared to the \"sequels\" which is bolshevik sanctioned propaganda reviving the corpse of a beloved religion (star wars) and poisoning the well to brainwash cattle based on their trust in it. I would go as far as saying the sequels are evil in their construction to deconstruct you.\n\nThere is a diamond buried somewhere deep, deep within the prequels terrible storytelling. Without his retard wranglers, George dropped the ball and at best successfully sold a saturday morning cartoon.\n\nThe original Star Wars can be /his/ as it's origins are in the oldest moral tales known to man and for it's blending of Western and Eastern philosophies and religion. It has incredible ability to appeal to a global audience based on the empirical truths contained within created by a man with no agenda other than to tell a story in the same vain as the old masters."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Richard Nixon 1972 approval ratings:\n\nFebruary 52%\nMarch 53%\nMay 62%\nWatergate break-in: June 17\n\nWhy did he do it? What could he possibly have gained from it?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">gets caught on tape authorizing the cover-up\n>doesn't get caught on tape actually authorizing it\nRight"}, {"id": 3, "content": "He didn't. The RNC did it to get rid of him."}, {"id": 4, "content": "He didn't, the guys that planned it were 3 tiers removed from him, but demoshats were out for blood"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nGerald Ford-led coup?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Deep State hated Nixon and were undermining him at every opportunity, so Nixon put together the White House Plumbers to gather intel for him. The FBI had gladly wiretapped political opponents on behalf of Kennedy and Johnson, but they refused to do it for Nixon, so that task fell to the Plumbers. Two members of the Plumbers are confirmed to have been on the CIA payroll, and there's evidence that they deliberately sabotaged the Watergate surveillance to set up Nixon."}, {"id": 7, "content": "you have to understand that the Democrats had mostly controlled the Federal government since FDR and had had almost 40 years to fill it with patronage appointments. while Eisenhower was a national hero respected by all, Nixon did not have that aura around him, he was a mere politician. so the deep state was not necessarily responsive to him. furthermore he had been elected in 1968 with under 50% of the vote and did not enjoy the mandate that FDR, Eisenhower, and LBJ had."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "I’m going to post this every day until you remember it"}, {"id": 2, "content": "thank you alamoanon for one of the consistent threads on this board as the rest of it falls to shit, keep it up friendo"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Was the Holocaust another one of those Jewish “social constructs”?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are chuds covering up the 6 million Jewish people that were slaughtered in the Russian Empire?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "It was actually made up by communist zionists called the Bund hoping to get the UK to invade poland to save communist jews from deportation/forced labor"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\"Social constructs\" has to do with perception of reality and how you think about the world. Shit like \"up vs. down\" and \"wet vs. dry\" are technically social constructs.\nHistorical/fictional events aren't social constructs"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Yes.\n\"Holocaust\" means \"wholly burned\", a sacrifice by fire. A sacrifice to whom?\nWhy 6 million? 600 000 jewish souls at Mount Sinai multiplied by the ten sephiroth = 6 000 000. It's an occult number from the Kabbalah, nothing grounded in reality.\n>holocaust\n>genocide\n>homophobia\n>antisemitism\n>racism\nAll these words were either coined or popularized by jews."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nWhy are various newspapers estimating that c. 6 million Jews lived in Russia at that time proof that the Holocaust didn't happen? And how does that factor into different historians estimating 5.5 million dead Jews or 7 million dead Jews?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nwell you see goyim, what really is a \"dead jew\"? Like if I call a rock \"jew\", is it not a dead jew? Its all very complicated for your little brain. The most important fact is there were 6 million of them and now you owe reparations."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>It's an occult number from the Kabbalah\nSource?\n\nHolocaust isn't even the word used by Jews for the Holocaust. It's use to describe this event was made by Christians."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\nthe 6 gorillion claim and the claims of jewish plight in the east are inherently linked to communist zionist propaganda, ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n>now you owe reparations\nI thought the West Germans paid up in like the 1950s and then nobody bothered again"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTechnically yes. Then again calling something a social construct doesn't mean what you think it means.\n>>4\nEvery individual action itself of a Nazi murdering a Jew is a material event. Grouping them together into a single concept such as Holocaust is a social construct though."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nThose were the reparations to Poland. They're still paying to Israel, a country that didn't even exist until after the war."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nWhat the hell is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nhttps://www.reuters.com/article/germany-israel-warships/germany-subsidizes-sale-of-four-warships-to-israel-idUSL5N0Y21IL20150511\n>The German government will pay 115 million euros towards the cost. As part of its atonement for the Nazi Holocaust, Germany is committed to Israel’s security and has often helped pay in the past for the cost of military equipment such as submarines."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy aren't you proud that your idealized Nazi barbarian brutes murdered 6 million Jews for the Master fucking Race? Isn't that why you're a neo-Nazi in the first place?"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>Why don't you believe kike propaganda????"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok I believe God exists based on natural theology arguments. Now convince me it's not Krishna."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Krishna is the 8th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu\nSo why wouldn't Vishnu be the supreme god then?\n\n>Nimbarka theory of grace\nThe concept is practically lifted directly from Christianity 1300 years late.\n\n>Relationship with Radha and the gopis\nThis seems really strange to me. Why did he need so many women?\n\n>Kurukshetra war\nWas this a necessary act of justice and compassion?\nand afterwards\n>Yadavas\nKilled all his clan to end the 3rd age and usher in Kali Yuga\nWhich is characterized by moral decline and spiritual degradation. Why did he want to do this? Didn't he create the Yadavas?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>So why wouldn't Vishnu be the supreme god then?\nThink of Krishna as the Docetist version of Jesus who was an incarnation of Yahweh\n\n>The concept is practically lifted directly from Christianity 1300 years late.\nThe Gita which was written before Jesus says this.\n>BG 18.62: Surrender exclusively unto Him with your whole being, O Bharat. By His grace, you will attain perfect peace and the eternal abode.\n\n>Was this a necessary act of justice and compassion?\nThe war was the result of Krishna. He willed it as part of his devine play.\n\n>Which is characterized by moral decline and spiritual degradation. Why did he want to do this? Didn't he create the Yadavas?\nKrishna avatar brought on the Kali yuga. God created both good and evil. He creates and destroys.\n\n>BG 11.32: The Supreme Lord said: I am mighty Time, the source of destruction that comes forth to annihilate the worlds. Even without your participation, the warriors arrayed in the opposing army shall cease to exist.\n\nThanks for all the questions"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nKrishna isn't a living and breathing crucified God who resurrects so that we might also resurrect and the only price to pay is unconditional universal love"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nThank you for the responses. It seems like a rich spirituality.\n\n>Think of Krishna as the Docetist version of Jesus who was an incarnation of Yahweh\nJesus and God the father are one and concurrent. Jesus is in perfect submission to God's will.\n\n>The war was the result of Krishna. He willed it as part of his divine play\nFair enough. God has commanded plenty of wars.\n\n>Krishna avatar brought on the Kali yuga. God created both good and evil. He creates and destroys.\nGod promises an end to all suffering. I think I read somewhere that Krishna delights in both pleasure and pain, so it doesn't seem totally different.\n\n>Isaiah 51:6\nLift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nBhagavad Gita 9.23\n>Those devotees who faithfully worship other gods also worship Me. But they do so by the wrong method."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\n>God promises an end to all suffering. I think I read somewhere that Krishna delights in both pleasure and pain, so it doesn't seem totally different\nThe question of suffering is a difficult question for any religion to answer. But either way it's here and even if it goes away the fact that it existed won't"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nI agree. What's your personal take?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nPeople sometimes choose to come here, people sometimes are forced due to past sin. Ultimately the material world is a mixture of caos and order. That's the paradox, usually if we sin, suffering follows us, but there is always a dice roll. Sometimes the result is unfair."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nSuffering can be good but sometimes it's completely unreasonable. All things material are subject to chaos. That's why life is unfair. Because it's material."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nWhen you sin, suffering always follows. There is foolishness which is rooted in fear and suffering is the fruit of it.\n\nOn the other hand, there is wisdom which is rooted in love and life is the fruit of it.\n\n>Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.\n\n>>10\nThis broken world is unfair, yes. But God has mercy and forgiveness. I am thankful for you. For this breath. For this heartbeat. These molecules. If the suffering moves your heart to compassion, then the work is not finished and there is much to be done. Be His hands and His feet. Be His love."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "why cant you prove him wrong?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1653371265812508678\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/asia/korea-us-comfort-women-sexual-slavery.html\n\nhttps://twitter.com/TimothyS/status/1653495285790789649\n\nhttps://newrepublic.com/article/155707/united-states-military-prostitution-south-korea-monkey-house\n\nhttps://twitter.com/AskAKorean/status/1652042111586279424\n\nhttps://twitter.com/czxmn/status/1653385112900493316\n\nhttps://twitter.com/BobaCyclist/status/1653395388890488833\n\nhttps://twitter.com/allyjung/status/1653459849521266689\n\nhttps://twitter.com/GrimeNinja/status/1653472060385968143\n\nhttps://twitter.com/inesaescriche/status/1653700733340975105\n\nhttp://cup.columbia.edu/book/sex-among-allies/9780231106436\n\nhttps://twitter.com/wi_osori/status/1653497921592086537\n\nhttps://genderandsecurity.org/projects-resources/research/south-korean-movements-against-militarized-sexual-labor"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What did countries like Germany and the USSR do about their female surplus? Surely there were millions of 18-30 year old women that did not have counterpart males in May, 1945. Was there a lot of married men secretly knocking up these single women?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "The consequences for European countries after World War II with a higher female population than male population were multifaceted.\n\nFirstly, there was an immediate effect on the workforce, as the war had claimed the lives of millions of men. As a result, women were increasingly brought into the workforce to fill the gaps left by men. This led to a significant shift in gender roles and women's position in society, with more women entering the workforce and gaining greater economic independence.\n\nSecondly, the shortage of men had a significant impact on marriage and family formation. Many women were unable to find suitable partners, either because of the lack of available men or because of the psychological impact of the war. This led to a decrease in marriage rates and birth rates, which had long-term implications for demographic trends in Europe.\n\nFinally, the post-war period saw significant changes in social attitudes towards gender roles and relationships, as women increasingly demanded greater rights and opportunities. This led to the rise of feminist movements across Europe and significant legal changes, such as the introduction of equal pay legislation and laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender.\n\nOverall, the consequences of the higher female population after World War II had a significant impact on European society, leading to changes in gender roles, family formation, and social attitudes towards gender and relationships."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nGPTbots and their consequences will be a disaster for the human race"}, {"id": 4, "content": "a lot of them got the BRC."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThe extra single women should have just moved to the U.S."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nyea what the fuck is even the point of this"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAfter World War II, both Germany and the Soviet Union faced significant demographic imbalances due to the loss of millions of people, predominantly men, during the war. As a result, there was indeed a surplus of women in the age range you mentioned.\n\n\nIn the case of Germany, the immediate aftermath of the war was marked by a chaotic and difficult period of rebuilding. Many men had either died in the war or were held as prisoners of war, leaving a large number of women without potential male partners. The situation was further complicated by the fact that Germany was divided into East and West, with different political and social structures.\n\n\nIn East Germany (the German Democratic Republic), efforts were made to provide support for single women. The government implemented policies to promote marriage and encourage childbirth. Maternity leave, childcare facilities, and other support systems were established to assist women who became mothers. However, the demographic imbalance persisted for some time.\n\n\nIn West Germany, the situation was similar, but the approach differed. The country was heavily reliant on labor migration, and many young men from other countries, including Italy, Spain, and Turkey, were recruited as guest workers. This influx of foreign workers helped alleviate some of the gender imbalance.\n\n\nRegarding the Soviet Union, the situation was also complex. The war had resulted in a significant loss of life, particularly among the male population. The Soviet Union implemented various measures to address the demographic imbalance. One approach was to encourage rapid marriages between available men and women. Mass weddings were organized, and the government provided financial incentives to newly married couples."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nIgnoring 2 of 3 completely irrelevant points spat out by the goybot,\n>Many women were unable to find suitable partners, either because of the lack of available men or because of the psychological impact of the war. This led to a decrease in marriage rates and birth rates, which had long-term implications for demographic trends in Europe.\nSo the post-WW2 baby boom that we know happened in Germany and the USSR didn't actually happen according to the GPT bot\n\nIf this is stealing journalists' jobs, maybe we don't actually need them.\n>>7\n\n>In East Germany (the German Democratic Republic), efforts were made to provide support for single women. The government implemented policies to promote marriage\nHow do they promote marriage to women for whom there is no man, GTPajeet?\n>support systems were established to assist women who became mothers.\nHow did they become mothers? That's what I wanted to know\n>West Germany was heavily reliant on labor migration, many young men from other countries helped alleviate some of the gender imbalance.\nI edited the bot response to be readable. But this makes sense. The commie east promoted natural growth while the based west imported 3rd worlders to breed women immediately after occupation\n>One approach was to encourage rapid marriages between available men and women. Mass weddings were organized, and the government provided financial incentives to newly married couples.\nOK but that doesn't actually answer the question."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\n\nAll chat bots should fucking die.\nThere was a massive baby boom right after ww2, so ai is officially retarded."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Behold, \"\"civilisation\"\""}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBaitudo desu senpai."}, {"id": 3, "content": "behold, steppe \"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"civilization\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\""}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's 3,000 years old bud"}, {"id": 5, "content": "behold, steppe \"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"warrior spirit\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\""}, {"id": 6, "content": "behold, steppe \"\"\"\"genetic superiority\"\"\""}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nit's achkcually more like 5500 years old"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVGH my pile of rocks in my lifeless brown shithole..."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\nsorry, BEHOLD Steppe civilization"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nthats the hole that all the laundered money gets dumped in?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nNo, the hole that's spearheading man's journey into the mysteries of the universe"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\ncan someone explain the purpose of all this shit in the picture?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>9\nThat's steppe civilization after they started copying from near east overlords and stopped being worthless murderhobos. Congrats, goyim"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nlike most everything at CERN, its a massive electromagnet\nthis is just the detection system, its called the CMS"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nif near eastern civilization is so great why steppe is better at it then? they even had a headstrt uh..."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>9\nnot pictured the rusted away remains millenia after"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n> if stratified society is so great, why are us goys so good at copying it?\nretard"}, {"id": 18, "content": "Thank god the egyptian built their shit with stone, can you even imagine if we never got to see Karnak or the Pyramids?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>9\npeak steppe civilization is a tunnel-shaped magnet?"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\n>goys\nwhats up with mutt kikes taking rights for civilization? should we worship gypsies for the hindu valley civ?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nbecause it's a fact of the matter goyboy. your ancestors were thieving worthless bums, there's no shame in that at all, but credit is due where it belongs; Near East is where civilization began. before it was Assyrians Egyptians and armenoids that set the bar, now its Jews that set it.\n> should we worship gypsies for the hindu valley civ?\ngypsies are everything the Steppe people were; murdering thieving lazy parasitic clannish nomads. you shouldn't worship them for indu valley, they have nothing to do with indu valley. you should worship gypsies for being everything that your ancestors were."}, {"id": 22, "content": "behold, steppe \"\"JEWELRY\"\" lmfao"}, {"id": 23, "content": "behold, steppe \"\"\"\"\"\"FASHION\"\"\"\"\"\" kek. i rest my case. sleep tight goyim"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>21\n>>22\n>>23\nThe people that care this much about their ancestry must have literally 0 accomplishments of their own in life"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>21\n>Near East is where civilization began\nYes, absolutely. Now its a shithole lmao\n>gypsies\naren't they descended from indians/pakis? so indu valley comparison makes sense here\n>jews\nyou mean the hebrews? yeah, they had their turn with the bible. Not sure how you reconcile them with half-levantine half euro inbred jews, but your comment about gypsies tells me the neurotic brain of a kike will reconcile anything at this point"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>19\nThat bends reality to a microscopic level, Yes."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\nobjectively the only correct statement in this thread"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>17\n>Be near eastern farming equipment\n>Submit to social stratification, serve massa, be enslaved, farm like a servant for years\n>Even then, Steppe bvlls, whose society us superior make use of their superior master ethics and hijack and bend your shitty \"civilization\" (work division where aubmissive farming equipment bent the knee)\n>They deform it, make use of it and outperform you in every single metric on half of the time despite you having more access to it\nIf anything i get that as much extra time as you can give MENA mud people. They will never met the bar. They jut have a \"genetic roof\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If he let that arrow go right there, what would happen?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe arrow would drop on the ground?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "it was would be extremely painful"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nthis is a physics problem"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nIt's such a little thing."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\ni have no idea how i'm supposed to grasp this physics problem throught your image"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nStretching & Humanities to its limit here I see"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\nDon't put your dick down like that, anon."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe probably wouldnt have killed him. Taken his eye out maybe but at point-blank range there wouldn't have been enough kinetic energy imparted through the tip to push more of the shaft through his head. Arrows slow down like everything else affected by its flight curve but there wouldn't be much space here for it to speed up beyond the immediate push of the drawstring."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow did they know what a menu was?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nwouldn't it have bounced off of the protection?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We lost....."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nyou could supply some context, as most people don't live in your particular autistic bubble. to start with, what the fuck do 'pioneers' have to do with jw?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat am I supposed to see here ?\n\n>>3\nA pionneer is someone who dedicates his life to evangelizing full time"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Do humans \"evolve\" with every new generation? Boys want to break away from their fathers, right?\nAre we evolving/discarding old ways of being with every single new generation?\nBasically, is each generation shedding the clichés of the last, and constantly breaking new ground?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is a retarded tranny who created this retarded fake world so that he could self-identify as \"a king\" by forcing me to live and self-identify as \"a peasant\" and by forcing me to act as the frame of reference and only persistently real person in the world so that he can abuse and dominate me through temporarily manifested/animated people. Other people only exist so that God can abuse and dominate me through them and this world only exists so that he can self identify as \"a king\" or \"the boss\" by dominating and abusing me and forcing me to exist and self-identify as \"a peasant\", \"a worker\", \"a tenant\", \"a slave\", etc\n\nGod is a retarded tranny piece of shit , he possesses no positive or redeeming qualities whatsoever, he is entirely putrid and disgusting"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nbased and basedpilled"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProgressivism is a lie. Return to religion and tradition."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n4chan and piety don't mix, newfag tradlarper."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nkids don't \"rebel\" if they are raised in good environment and have caring, nurturing parents"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "How do atheists explain this and all the other miracles? It was all nust a collective hallucination for 2000 years? It takes a lot of faith to believe something like that."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIs that the Prophet Muhammad?\nWOW"}, {"id": 3, "content": "is just a medieval forgery"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe earliest accounts of this image, from the Church, dismiss it as a fake."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>how do atheists explain all these miracles which they think did not happen\ngee I dunno OP its a real mystery"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">How do atheists explain this and all the other miracles? It was all nust a collective hallucination for 2000 years?\n\nThat and a scam to make money"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is nationalism good or bad? Historically speaking, of course."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGood for the Jewish people. Bad for gentiles."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's good if you're ethnically homogeneous. American nationalism is a joke since America is mutt land"}, {"id": 4, "content": "And here I thought measles was the measles of mankind."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Pick a side and tell us why.\n\nWhichever side has the most votes \"wins\"."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRed Army because they won and I side with winners"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>brutal autocracy with a dogshit economic system vs even more brutal autocracy with a dogshit economic system\n\nI move to Chechnya to become a jihadi spearfish and get a churka waifu"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nyou weren't allowed to do this but i will allow it."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nWhat flag does Russia have now?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhites, since they're the anti-German and anti-Turkish position. The cool uniforms are a big plus though."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nTheir official uniforms were quite stylish, many weren't wearing them though."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGreens, fuck aristocrats, fuck commies, and fuck cityfags."}, {"id": 9, "content": "Hate jooze so whites"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\nThose are specifically the officer-only color regiments formed in South Russia. Even still, the regular soldiers in their old imperial army uniforms or cossacks in their usual cossack garb look way better than the Reds in their pointy hats and with their unironic leather fetish"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\nThat's a fine position, but a third position meant they were doomed to absorption.\n>>10\nI was just posting the cream of the crop."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>10\nI also agree that the red army hat is stupid."}, {"id": 13, "content": "Whites because fuck the Bolsheviks."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\n>>13\nOkay, so far that's:\n\n>Reds: 1\n\n>Whites: 3\n\n>Greens: 1"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>I also agree that the red army hat is stupid.\nCope"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nthat hat is fucking clownish and that jpeg is the size of your penis"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRed army because they killed Germshits (the tzar and his family)."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nBased. Then they very basedly killed 2,000,000 of their own for having anything less than total loyalty and subservience to them. Such based people who truly loved and cherished the Russian worker."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nHalf of the Whites were fucking Left SRs so there was barely any difference between them already\n\nAlso Green Armies."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\n>there was no difference between them, also peasants existed, here is my pointless anne frank meme"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBoth are bad. The White Army is doomed though since they have absolutely no fucking clue as to what they even want to do after beating the Reds. Vote for the Red Army, work as a staunch right-socialist, hope that somehow the right-socialists end up on top in any future power struggles."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\n>Half of the Whites were fucking Left SRs\nonly if you completely misrepresent what \"White\" means in a Russian Civil War context"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>officers: we want a military dictatorship to restore order\n>cossacks: we want a military dictatorship to restore order\n>Kadets: we want a military dictatorship to restore order\n>\"they have absolutely no fucking clue as to what they even want\""}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\n>Officers: We want a military dictatorship to reinstate the Tsar!\n>Cossacks: We want a military dictatorship so we get to be left alone!\n>Kadets: We want a military dictatorship to create a socialist state!\nThe devil is in the details. The last thing I want is to get executed for not being whatever schizo ideology my officer is."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>24\nI mean, all three of them got along pretty well before the revolution, I'm not sure why things would be harder with all the Bolsheviks dead or exiled"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>13\nThis. The Huwhites weren't perfect, but fuck commies."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nDuring the war, Kolchak was rounding up the socialists in his ranks and throwing them in front of firing squads. Everyone in the White Army fucking despised each other, and every one of them would rather throw the others under the bus than actually fight the Bolsheviks. There was no actual plan. A military dictatorship would give way to... what? A republic, a socialist state, a new Tsardom, more military dictatorship? The moment the Whites would have won, all of them would have immediately taken their armies and started slaughtering each other again. Both sides were absolute hot garbage, but at least the Reds generally agreed on what they would do when they won. Which is why I would join them and try to push for the right-socialists after. If I'm lucky, NEP might actually stick around and Bukharin's dream of an opposition party might come true. Probably not though, but it's worth a try."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>16\nThe pointy hat was supposed to be based on a medieval helmet so it's actually trad and you're bitch\n\nVoting red\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Q2I1Bd54LFo [Embed]"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>27\n>During the war, Kolchak was rounding up the socialists in his ranks and throwing them in front of firing squads\nYes, this was the entire point of his government.\n>Everyone in the White Army fucking despised each other, and every one of them would rather throw the others under the bus than actually fight the Bolsheviks.\nIt's true if we're talking about Semyonov or something but it's not really true of the regular White formations, which could more accurately be criticized for their overzealous hatred of Bolsheviks and desire to attack and destroy them, not for their inaction.\n>A military dictatorship would give way to... what?\nalmost certainly an unfree liberal republic. It's the compromise everybody could get behind, besides the dead Bolsheviks.\n>The moment the Whites would have won, all of them would have immediately taken their armies and started slaughtering each other again.\ncitation needed. Whites never shot at Whites during the Civil War and any leadership disputes were handled without bloodshed. Tempers would be even cooler in the peace after the war.\n>muh right-socialists\nUnironically defect to the Poles, you'll get farther with Pilsudski than Bukharin"}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>28\n>uh actually the Tsarist government was based for picking these stupid pointy hats for the new army uniform that got put on hold because of the war, that's why I'm a communist who hates everything about the Tsarist government"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>12\n>>1 (OP)\nrule of cool. red had better officer uniforms but whites were cooler overall\n\n>>7\nthose are all awful"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\n>During the war, Kolchak was rounding up the socialists in his ranks and throwing them in front of firing squads. E\nSo he was based. We should be doing that today. It would solve a lot of problems."}, {"id": 33, "content": "Whites.\nThen defect to the Reds and invent National Socialism."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>27\n>During the war, Kolchak was rounding up the socialists in his ranks and throwing them in front of firing squads.\nThis is what the Bolsheviks did too, retard. Show trials didn't start under Stalin, they started under Lenin."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nRed Army. They control the center and the industry."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\nIf you don’t think white/blue/red on black isn’t peak then you have retard eyes."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nYou should kill yourself."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>37\nKiss the ring, tasteless walmart nigger."}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhites because they’re Whites fighting for the Sacred Aristoi against the jewish ZOG menace."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>3\nYou do realise that Chechens aren't turkic people?\nAlso, fuck both and glory to northern Brasil"}, {"id": 41, "content": "Whites because they are not isolationist and less oppressive than the Bolsheviks and judging by this thread in this timeline the Whites are winning so it is not a lost cause.\n\nThe white army is more coordinated and are able to mount stiff resistance, defending key regions like Kiev and Minsk. Russia's expanse allows flanking maneuvers around heavily guarded chokepoints, yet each Red attack is met by a prepared White counter-attack. The Reds cross a river only to find themselves pinned against it a few days later after their supplies are exhausted and before they have time to dig in. The Red army's mutineers and press ganged peasants are tired of war, yet they are still sent west to charge the machine guns and soon their offensives grind to a halt.\n\nThe war is long, but the Bolsheviks suffer under the economic strain while the whites receive support from the west. Famine sets in and the Red army must turn its attention inwards to restore order which prompts desertions and easy surrender to white forces. A small amount of pressure is enough to break the less well defended cities and the whites start to advance steadily, joining up with the east, at this point the writing is on the wall for most. The last major offensives are bloody but eventually the Bolsheviks experience their own negative feedback loop of mutinies.\n\nThe white army is essentially a military republic like those that emerged in Poland and Finland. They are open to trade with the west which speeds economic recovery. If they enthrone a Tsar he is a puppet only. Red army propaganda turns out to be an exaggeration, the peasants and workers have less obligation to the new regime than they did to the Bolsheviks and more freedom to do what they want with their labor and any property they own. Eventually the Duma is restored and elections, although now with a distaste for left wing politics, a christian party advocates New Deal style social welfare."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was it like? What were your options as a voter?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n1910-50s\nSouth African/United Party vs National Party\nPro-British vs anti-British\n60s-early 80s\nProgressive Federal Party vs United/New Republic Party vs National Party\nAnti-apartheid vs moderate vs pro-apartheid\nLate 80s\nProgressive Federal Party vs National Party vs Conservative Party\nAnti-apartheid vs moderate vs pro-apartheid"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Ok maybe jesus was not african or MENA, but he sure as hell wasnt white."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">Implying that modern Jews don't get much of their looks from Arab 'influences' since the 7th century\nhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/"}, {"id": 3, "content": "This is the actual reconstruction made by Tomasi. OP is a dumb faggot."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Implying that polytheistic whites are the same as monotheistic happy merchants just because they were both in the same area at some point in time."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>Tarah was a polytheistic white\n>Implying that Avraham wasn't his child\nhow anti-Semitic of you"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>Giving a shit about talmudic schizo\nNo sorry Im talking about reality here."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">pov: you are born in the 19th century"}, {"id": 2, "content": "1800s and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "explain me in DETAIL what do you see in this image, this is a mental illness test"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe demographics of /his/"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWHG + Asian = ANE\nWHG + Semite = EEF\nANE + Asian = Native American.\nWHG + ANE = Yamnaya.\nSemite + West African = Nafri.\nWHG + Asian + Semite = Greek.\nGreek + Semite + Asian = Anatolian\nEEF + Nafri = Italian"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>WHG + ANE = Yamnaya\nThat would be a EHG\nI think the semite is basal"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>All men\nThis is LGBTQAPXYZ123+ propaganda"}, {"id": 6, "content": "idk, these are the only races that exist."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nCope"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI don't see how Chinese and Kazakh people are supposed to be similar aside from the chinky eyelids\nalso\n>Persians, Turks, Somalians\n>Semitic\nlol maybe pick a different term. Only Arabs and Israelis are Semitic."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, that looks too stupid to contemplate further than a glance"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nNig"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMe on the top"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do you worship a Jewish god, white man? Return to your ancestral roots."}, {"id": 2, "content": "I'm gonna keep worshipping the true God rather than a marvel character"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I don't worship a jewish god, I worship Jesus the aeon of war"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Why do you worship a Jewish god, white man?\nBecause He defeated you, He laid waste to your followers and established His Law in your land, while you stood there and did nothing, either out of interest or because you were powerless to stop Him, you are not worthy of worship in any case."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>All whites used worshipped Thor\nYou probably have more ancestors who worshipped Jesus at this point.\nAlso modern whites are shaped more from Christianity than not at this as well."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nProbably? Almost certainly. He has almost no ancestors who worshipped Thor, one or two short lived strands of his massive family tree of largely e3b and N, males?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nOP has J1 and J2 genes"}, {"id": 8, "content": "glory to Ahura Mazda, the true God of the Aryans"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>2\nSo a movie character is better?>>4\nThe second temple"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>The second temple\nWhat about it? It was built by the Jews, not by God. Christ is our new Temple."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBecause I'm Jewish, you barbarian"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nLeave Europe and go to your desert then, Jew."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>10\nYeah? \"God's\" chosen people got raped so many times I guess it's all part of the plan. Christians too. You lose you win."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nWhy? We control your asses, we won and you lost. You guys are only safe talking shit about us on 4chan because we allow you to. You think that the Jews, the masters of the world since the Enlightenment, can be beaten by some randos online? Accept your place goy. Enjoy your merchant memes and Ben Garrison comics all you like, but 99.5% of people are so JEWed that any opposition against us will, by definition, be fraught."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>13\nThe time of the Jews is over, they've served their purpose, they've played their role, they're no longer God's chosen people, now it's the Church, which has continued to expand and grow ever since Christ established it, and will do so in the future."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">Respect your ancestors.\n>No, i didn't *those* ancestors!\nThis will never not be funny."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>they're no longer God's chosen people\nThey never were. It's incredible how many people actually still believe that \"Israel\" is a 100% authentic reconstitution of the ancient country. It's the only thing dumber than the belief that the Greeks and Egyptians of 2,000 years ago are the same as what we have now."}, {"id": 18, "content": "The Christian God is not a Jewish god"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\nAll I'm hearing is that your God wasn't powerful enough to protect the Jews and he isn't powerful enough to protect Christians."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nHe is.\n\nActs 21:39\nJohn 4:22\nRomans 11:1"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>17\n>They never were. It's incredible how many people actually still believe that \"Israel\" is a 100% authentic reconstitution of the ancient country.\nWhat? No idea what you're talking about here, the current secular State of Israel has no continuation with the ancient Kingdom of Israel, it's got nothing in common with it besides its name and its geographical location."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nIt does have a bunch of Jews there. That's the same"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nMost Jews are secular, they don't believe a word of the Torah, for them is just their culture and in some cases not even that. The time of the Jews is over."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>23\nWho cares?\n\nActs 21:39\nJohn 4:22\nRomans 11:1"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>20\nThe citations do not prove your point\n\nRead Deuteronomy 7 and Psalm 82 with this question in mind: did the biblical god uniquely create ethnic israel?\nLooking over the fact that Israel and Jew are not synonymous"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nAs in the case of the Greeks, calling them Jews is misleading. Both of those races were destroyed through miscegenation. Imo the ancient races should be called Hellenes and Judeans\\Israelites. What we have today is something different."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>24\n>Acts 21:39\n>Paul answered, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city. Please let me speak to the people.”\n........what about this verse?\n>John 4:22\n>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.\nSalvation in this verse refers to Jesus. Salvation (Jesus) is from the Jews, which of course He is.\n>Romans 11:1\n> I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin\nAgain, what about this verse? St. Paul was a Jew, yes, we know this, what about it?"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>14\nMonumentally based."}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>25\nIt's synonymous since Paul uses both to refer to ethnicity and uses both to refer to himself."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>27\nPaul is a Jew, an Israelite, God hasn't abandoned his people, the jews. Jews are at the top of the Christian caste system"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\nFine\nIs the I AM conceived as having arisen from Israel, or having exclusively created Israel?"}, {"id": 32, "content": "Most modern Jews have no connection to Iron Age Levantines; only a few Arabs in the Levant can claim descent from David and Solomon."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>30\n>Paul is a Jew, an Israelite, God hasn't abandoned his people, the jews.\nHe did right by His promise of delivering salvation to them, as well as the rest of the world. But if they choose to rejec the Savior, then they are indeed damned.\n>Jews are at the top of the Christian caste system\nHuh, I wonder if that's why Christian Europe put Jews at the bottom of society and oppressed them for centuries, weird."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nWould your worldview collapse if they did?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>31\nAre you talking about the burning bush? Israel is the name of Jacob and his decedents. Israelites just means descendents of jacob"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>33\n>Huh, I wonder if that's why Christian Europe put Jews at the bottom of society and oppressed them for centuries, weird.\nYeah they killed pagans while letting Jews live and practice their religion. They even let them be bankers!"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\n>Yeah they killed pagans while letting Jews live and practice their religion.\nDoesn't sound like Jews are at the top of some \"Christian caste system\" to me then."}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>35\nPsalm 82\nDeuteronomy 7\nRead them and consider my question"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>2\n>implying the image of the christian god hasn't been parodied and commercialized\n>>4\nbased. might makes right.\n>>18\nyeah he's a native hyperborean aryan. delusional\n>>26\ncope. you say shit like this but the majority opinion is that modern jews are christ-killers which contradicts that entirely."}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\nPsalm 82 is talking about Angel bud"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>based. might makes right\nBased!"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>40\nEisegesis\nIt says elohim judges among the elohim"}, {"id": 43, "content": "I mean I'm a huge pagan simp too but this post is kinda cringe."}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm not a pagan because it's what my ancestors did, if I wanted to do what my ancestors did I would go catholic because that's what my paternal ancestors did and I have a direct connection to it. I'm a pagan because it seems self evident to me."}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>44\nDo you believe the earth is flat too? Since that is what it seems to be self evident."}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>42\nK what's your point? Jews are still gods people according to christcuckery.\n\nRomans 11:1\n\nBut Zion said, \"The LORD has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me.\"\n15\n\"Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!\n16\nSee, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>45\nNot him I'm a pagan and the world is flat. The bible actually backs me up on this funnily enough."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>46\nDid you read what I asked or not?"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>46\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism"}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>47\nHow?"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>46\nNo, the Jews are not God's people, see 1 John 2:22. God's people are the sons of Abraham, which are those who believe in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3). The Jews do not have a forfeit covenant, they have no covenant at all, as the covenant which God made with Abraham has been inherited by the Church, from which the Jews apostatized."}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>48\nYeah. Now prove your point in light of the verses I posted"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>45\nNo, people can measure that sort of thing and directly see that kind of thing."}, {"id": 54, "content": ">>49\nI give you bible verses you give me.... Wikipedia...\n\n>>51\nSo you're just going to skip the part where God made a covenant with Jacob and on mount Sinai? I don't have a problem with Christians becoming more anti semitic. Except one of you will actually end up reading the bible and reforming."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>53\nThey would never have done that if they followed your line of reasoning."}, {"id": 56, "content": ">>54\n>the part where God made a covenant with Jacob and on mount Sinai\nI, a gentile son of Japheth by Germany, inherit that covenant. And not the Jews."}, {"id": 57, "content": ">>54\nYou give me a Bible verse about God remembering Zion, which has nothing to do with supercessionism, we believe that God indeed remembered Zion, if He hadn't Jesus would've never been born."}, {"id": 58, "content": ">>52\nThe biblical God created all the nations and their respective gods.\nThe lesser gods failed the creator god, disobeying him.\nGod decided to reclaim the nations as his own, starting with the Israelites in spite of themselves. The old testament is then one long story of what screw ups they are, leading to the gospels where the story culminates in their failing to identify the god they are meant to be worshipping, they then murder him. He resurrects on the third day and effectively rejects that nation in favor of the others.\n\nHistorically the ethnic group that became Gods people are the Europeans. Europe itself was synonymous with Christ's kingdom, Christendom. Christ conquered the pagan usurpers and took his rightful place as our king. Christ is Aragon."}, {"id": 59, "content": ">>57\nBut where does it say that his promise stopped?"}, {"id": 60, "content": ">>54\n>>59\n>So you're just going to skip the part where God made a covenant with Jacob and on mount Sinai?\nHe did, but that covenant has already been fulfilled, we're in the New Covenant now.\n\n>Jeremiah 31:31–34:\n>Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;"}, {"id": 61, "content": ">>56\nYou're just making that up. You realize that the Jews believe you're Edom and have a biblical duty to destroy all Germans?"}, {"id": 62, "content": ">>61\nWho cares what Jews believe? They got the Messianic prophesies wrong, why would you take their word for anything else in theology?"}, {"id": 63, "content": ">>61\nAdam Green.......is that you?"}, {"id": 64, "content": ">>61\n>You're just making that up\nIt's what we've believed since the beginning. Again see Galatians 3, could not be more clear\n>You realize that the Jews believe\nWhy would I care what Jews believe?"}, {"id": 65, "content": ">>58\n>He resurrects on the third day and effectively rejects that nation in favor of the others\nCitation?\n\n>Historically the ethnic group that became Gods people are the Europeans.\nHow about Ethiopians? Acts 8:26. Europe became Christian because Rome became Christian Rome was the main target for Jews to convert gentiles to Christians because it was their old enemy and revenge for destroying the second temple."}, {"id": 66, "content": ">>55\nI don't think I went in-depth enough. Reason should be applied to things that reason can be applied to and faith should be applied to things that only faith can be applied to. I wake up and experience a world that I can see, hear, touch, smell, and measure, can I be sure that it is a real world? No but I find that it's useful to assume that it is. I also experience a world that seems to be in-spirited by many distinct forces, can I be sure that they exist? No but I find that it's useful to assume that they do."}, {"id": 67, "content": ">>65\n>Europe became Christian because Rome became Christian Rome was the main target for Jews to convert gentiles to Christians\nyou are a schizo"}, {"id": 68, "content": ">>63\nDavidster\" (Star of David) by Dick Stins is a Holocaust memorial in The Hague. The text at the side (in Dutch and Hebrew) is from Deuteronomy 25:17, 19 – \"Remember what Amalek has done to you ... do not forget.\"\n\nNo. Adam has some good points, but he has reddit tier beliefs which is sad"}, {"id": 69, "content": ">>68\nOk, again, who cares what the Jews believe? Just because some Jews have a hate-boner for Europeans doesn't mean that them or their beliefs should be taken serioulsy, like I said, they got the Messianic prophesies wrong, so why would I listen to anything they have to say abour Edom or Amalek? Those nations are gone, they have been laid waste by Israel long ago, they're not relevant anymore."}, {"id": 70, "content": ">>67\nRead the definition"}, {"id": 71, "content": ">>69\n>Ok, again, who cares what the Jews believe?\nBecause they influence what 99% of what people believe. The media, religion, books.\n\n>they got the Messianic prophesies wrong, so why would I listen to anything they have to say abour Edom or Amalek? Those nations are gone, they have been laid waste by Israel long ago, they're not relevant anymore.\nI think you really underestimate your enemy. Christians have been wrong about Jesus coming back too. They talk in code."}, {"id": 72, "content": ">>71\n>Because they influence what 99% of what people believe. The media, religion, books.\nAnon, this is a board for history and humanities, conspiracy theories go on >>>/x/\n>I think you really underestimate your enemy.\nWe've got bigger fish to fry.\n>Christians have been wrong about Jesus coming back too.\nYes, plenty of wannabe prophets have tried to predict the coming of the End, even though Jesus explicitly tells them that it is a futile endeavour, they're fools to be pitied, not persecuted.\n>They talk in code.\nAnd aren't you the one smart cookie that figured it all out, right? I've heard your spiel dozens of times, it gets really boring at this point."}, {"id": 73, "content": ">>72\n>conspiracy theories\nIt's not a conspiracy theory bud."}, {"id": 74, "content": ">>72\nI'm pretty sure that Jews are over represented in media by something like 2000%"}, {"id": 75, "content": ">>70\nEsau was the early pottery era Anatolian Neolithic ancestor of modern Italians."}, {"id": 76, "content": ">>74\nAnd thats a problem because...................................................?\nBlacks are \"over represented\" in Basketball, I fail to see anyone giving a shit about that."}, {"id": 77, "content": ">>76\nYou realize people in the media and lawyers have a lot more power than basketball players?"}, {"id": 78, "content": ">>76\nBy 2000%?"}, {"id": 79, "content": ">>77\nPretty sure that celebrities and sport stars have their fair amount of power and influence anon."}, {"id": 80, "content": ">>79\nThey do, but not like the media lawyers and bankers."}, {"id": 81, "content": ">>80\nThen go to law school, or business school or some shit if it bothers you that much."}, {"id": 82, "content": ">>39\n>modern jews are christ-killers which contradicts that entirely.\njews follow teachings of the pharisees who actually killed christ, there is no contradiction. And the other anon is right, modern jews dont represent ancient hebrews, literally any other levantine group matches with hebrews better than them"}, {"id": 83, "content": ">>61\nWhat jews actually believe is utter nonsense. Edom has been absorbed into Judea and edomites converted to judaism sometime BC. It's a historical fact, and i wouldn't be surprised at jews denying this, since it implies jewish descent from a harsh biblical enemy"}, {"id": 84, "content": ">>36\n>while letting Jews live and practice their religion\nHAHAHAHAHAHA"}, {"id": 85, "content": ">>84\nKeeps synagogues. Destroys native temples"}, {"id": 86, "content": ">assuming I am white\nTopkek\nMy ancestors would curse me if I worshipped European gods, they were (at least according to my geneaology) ultimately Zoroastrian. A Zoroastrian would be fine with monotheistic religion and they had good relations with Jews, meanwhile they didnt had good relstions with Greeks and possibly other Euro-pagans.\nSo, no. My ancestors would ok with me being monotheistic."}, {"id": 87, "content": ">>85\n>Keeps synagogues.\nBarely, conversion was allways encouraged.\n>Destroys native temples\nYes, we cannot accept the presence of pagans and heathens in Christian lands, do not ask us to tolerate you, because we won't."}, {"id": 88, "content": ">>85\none random act of good will towards the jews in europe definitely outweighs all the numerous pogroms and expulsions yes. On the question of nativity, greek mythology is partly based on near eastern mythology, I wonder why all the neo paganiggers are unaware of this"}, {"id": 89, "content": ">>88\n>one random act of good will towards the jews in europe definitely outweighs all the numerous pogroms and expulsions yes\nIt's a law bud. Pagans were pograming Jews before it was cool.\n\n>I wonder why all the neo paganiggers are unaware of this\nAnd? It's not a psyop like Christianity."}, {"id": 90, "content": ">>89\n>Pagans were pograming Jews before it was cool.\nJews thrived in rome under rome's protection before the jewish wars lmao\n>And? It's not a psyop like Christianity.\nJesus christ, its the direct ancestors of the same jews from whom the greeks took, why are paganpigs so fucking dumb? your entire religion is also a jewish psyop by your own definition, retard"}, {"id": 91, "content": ">>90\nAnd didn't Jesus say that usury was not exactly something you should do? So then any state which institutes usury using any agent whatsoever is not exactly Christian. Not that Jesus himself would advocate for fusion of church and state."}, {"id": 92, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nliterally everything you know about norse mythology has been sterilized and reconstructed by christian monks\n\nyou realize that, right?"}, {"id": 93, "content": ">>92\nChristianity is based on indoeuropean theology proxied by greek writers.\nFrom the trinity as a concept to the \"logos\""}, {"id": 94, "content": ">>91\nYes, thats why usury was banned and frowned upon by the church regardless if you were christian or jewish"}, {"id": 95, "content": ">>90\n>Jews thrived in rome under rome's protection before the jewish wars lmao\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrian_riots_(38_CE)\n>Bar kokhba revolt\nTotal: 580,000 Jews killed, 50 fortified towns and 985 villages razed; \"many more\" Jews dead as a result of famine and disease.a"}, {"id": 96, "content": ">>94\n>>91\nDeuteronomy 15:6\n>and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow, and you shall rule over many nations, but they shall not rule over you."}, {"id": 97, "content": ">>90\nAntiochus IV is remembered as a major villain and persecutor in the Jewish traditions associated with Hanukkah, including the books of Maccabees and the \"Scroll of Antiochus\".[30] Rabbinical sources refer to him as הרשע harasha (\"the wicked\"); the Jewish Encyclopedia concluded that \"[s]ince Jewish and heathen sources agree in their characterization of him, their portrayal is evidently correct\", summarizing this portrayal as one of a cruel and vainglorious ruler who tried to force on all the peoples of his realm a Hellenic culture, \"the true essence of which he can scarcely be said to have appreciated\".[31"}, {"id": 98, "content": ">>93\nYes that is an example of the Christian whitewashing in order to normalize what is a fundamentally alien cult in Europe."}, {"id": 99, "content": ">>95\n>>97\nI literally said they thrived economically BEFORE the jewish wars, what are you trying to prove here, retard? Jews had settled many cities for trade and commerce before these wars without problems. Now answer why are you worshipping cults derived from the same jews you hate, as I said before? Hilarious how paganpigs avoid direct answers lmao\n>>96\nIf you think that quote is about usury youre mentally disabled. there is no point in any discussion"}, {"id": 100, "content": ">>99\n>I literally said they thrived economically BEFORE the jewish wars\nYou realize Rome annexed Palestine around 60bc\n\n>Now answer why are you worshipping cults derived from the same jews you hate\nThat's Christianity. You sound awfully Jewish. Or black.\n\n>If you think that quote is about usury youre mentally disabled\nLend"}, {"id": 101, "content": ">>96\nHow would Jews get powerful in the 1st place if it weren't for the royals and nobles enabling them?"}, {"id": 102, "content": ">>96\nFor example if Jews could get away with charging interest (thus expecting repayment) on everyone else according to the law of the land, that would actually be the ruler's fault and not exactly what Jesus wanted to be done. I'm not defending Christianity here I'm just saying, in practice, the rulers allowing this were not fundamentally Christian. On the Jews and Their Lies, Luther also makes mention of this, I think."}, {"id": 103, "content": ">>100\n>You realize Rome annexed Palestine around 60bc\nDoesnt matter, jews thrived before the main revolt around 1 CE and even after and inbetween, this is not up for discussion\n>you sound jewish\ni said greeks took shit from levantines (jews) and made it their own religion. Same thing happened with christianity. Paganiqqers arent up for these questions, thank you for proving that. Also, you sound like a snownigger. Same turds rome was set to genocide. But we dont talk about that, paganpigs had their own version of united europe or whatever\n>lend\nthe problem is usury not lend"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why are Scandinavians genetically speaking so superior in athleticism compared to other Europeans?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMilk drinker genes"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot Scandinavians but Baltics rather. It's due to the highest overall percent of WHG and WSH admixture that led to the higher probability of manifesting their athletic traits.\n>>2\nIndoeuropeans, including the giants, couldn't drink raw milk."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nIndo Europeans could drink raw milk, in fact a substantial portion of Yamnaya could drink raw milk and they did not even keep cattle like later IE did.\n\nTheir athleticism is due to their WHG genes and recent selection.\nhigh WSH Irish dont have a lot of Olympic medals\nhigh WHG Balts or Basques do not have a lot of Olympic medals"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>could drink raw milk\nThey completely lacked the LP genes.\n>Balts ... do not have a lot of Olympic medals\nLol. Lmao even."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSlavs mog nordsissies in almost every sport."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nslav athletes are literally roided to the gills, pathetic"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>5\n>They completely lacked the LP genes.\nyou are using outdated information."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nLiterally vice versa, it's an old myth. LP-genes' expansion happened in the Iron Age, not earlier."}, {"id": 10, "content": "You realize this guy is shit in overall player rating standards by FIFA and UEFA scoring standards?\nHe scores penalties and easy assists.\nThat's it. He is shit in every other variable - speed, dribbling, creative football, adaptability, stamina, and on shot accuracy.\nThe guy only got where he is through nepotism.\n\nIt's why Man City will never win the Champions League and are currently level with a team who are shit (in terms of European standards) in their own league (Arsenal)."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\nCope."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>6\nNot in hockey atm"}, {"id": 13, "content": "Mediterraneans>>>>>>>>>"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>13\nReal tawk"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nColder weather and higher elevation requires lungs to function with more efficiency so body can survive, Maasai also has the same genetical advantage. European teams also employ Ugandans for example.\n>>2\nAlso this, increased protein intake"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nKenyan*\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9119534/"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>9\nLP didnt start existing in the Iron Age."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>15\n>>16\nits not the elevation, that is just for endurance, for strength it is cold weather, cold weather inhibits muscle growth, which means muscle genetics have to be stronger to make up for the natural depression of strength due to living in Northern realms."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>15\n>>18\nThen the Tibetans should be winning every Olympics according to you."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>17\nNeither in the Bronze Age steppes."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nTibetans have tremendous grip strength. It’s their small frame which holds them back."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Expand government power more than any president this side of FDR/LBJ\n>Permanently entrench racial policies, i.e. affirmative action that keep American politics racial for decades to come\n>Make the drug war a race issue for no fucking reason\n>Expand the Vietnam War and fuck it up so much more badly that the fucking Khmer Rouge rises to power\n>End the gold standard and make the dollar a purely fiat currency, permanently stagnating wages for decades to come and crushing quality of life advances for hundreds of millions\n>Stab the ROC in the back by reopening relations with China at light speed\n>Sign on to diplomatic and trade agreements with China and several other countries that deindustrialize the U.S near-permanently, making China the most economically powerful country in the world in the near future\n>Support Pakistani genocides in Bangladesh and punish India for stopping them\n>Totally ignore the Cold War in Africa, letting Portuguese Colonies fall, resulting in Rhodesia being doomed\n>Fuck up Central America even more somehow\n>Cause the greatest economic crisis of the 20th century post-depression because of your love of Israeli cock\n>Do some shenanigans elsewhere\nIDC what republicans say about this faggot, I'm glad he got swatted. One of the worst presidents ever."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Make the drug war a race issue for no fucking reason\nEven *Vox* of all places disputes the (likely fake) Ehrlichman quote about how the War on Drugs was REALLY just a passive-aggressive way for Nixon to fuck with blacks and hippies"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIndeed. But the fact that you had the crack epidemic come right after the 70s cemented the bad reputation of the drug war in the eyes of non-whites, thus making it more of a racial issues than it had any right to be, with this weird line of dialogue whether it happened or not starting it off on the wrong foot."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Translation:The difference in head shape between the North and South regions based on research data\nAccording to the data, the Han people in Shandong have a head width of 161 and a head length of 183, which belong to the category of wide front and flat side. The Han people in Hubei have a head width of 156 and a head length of 191.4, which belong to the category of narrow front and round side."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, its just dumb spergism no-life regionalist autists give a fuck about. Nobody else cares for North/South distinction in China nowadays as the country got increasingly centralized in the last 40 years. Even regional China-proper languages are fading away."}, {"id": 3, "content": "kek, all asians look like the doofus on the right, nobody looks like an anime character"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>left\nhealthy\n>right\nfat"}, {"id": 5, "content": "extra, extra, hong kong babes beat mongs by a head"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nAlthough most of the asian are ugly ,but I think they don't look like person on the right"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>even in china\nBrachycels, our responce???"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\n>flat back of the head\n>wide snub nose\n>fucked up gorilla jaw\nall asians"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLeft drawing looks like Elliot Rodgers."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSo does abbo admixture make them look better? I doubt."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>2\n>Nobody else cares for North/South distinction in China nowadays as the country\nNonsense. There's a lot of prejudice between people from different regions of China. Eastern coastal types dislike people from Sichuan and Henan, think they're thieves, poor, migrants, etc. Northerners think Southerners are greedy and conniving, Southerners think Northerners are rude, violent, hicks. There's discrimination in employment where a person from a different province or region is seriously disadvantaged in the job market. Chinese still use their regional dialects at home and in most day to day conversation, so even though the younger generation understand Mandarin, if you don't speak the local dialect you end up ostracized."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nAnd who's winning?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is not quite true. For young people of Beijing, the average width is 164 mm and length is 187 mm for males. The length + breadth values are highest among young males in Beijing, higher than any other place in Northern and Southern China. Beijing males mog other Chinese males."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nNobody. The whole world's going to shit."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOne race. The Han race."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>10\nDoes anybody have an explanation?\n>>14\nIn China, I mean."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>16\nWithin China itself? Every podunk village has a few families that are well connected, a relative gets a government job and suddenly they're loaded. I guess you could say they're winning. But on a regional basis, it's the coastal provinces that have all the wealth. The further inland you go the poorer China is."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>13\nI guess it's city vs village and villagers just eating better."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\nThe OP North China representation is from Shandong. They are taller and have smaller heads than Beijing people."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>19\nI think it's a worldwide trend for the richest regions eating the worst food."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nWhat is your implication? What I am saying is that Beijing people have the largest heads in China."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>21\nThey just have taller foreheads, because malnutrition makes the faces smaller."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>10\nBump."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>unknown\nHe was 12.5% Jewish"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nI don't recall facial measurements from the source. But the young male Beinjing category had a larger head size than any other. Average width was 164 mm, average length was 187 mm."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nThink of Jack Ma. He seems to have a huge head in photos, but his face is just tiny."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Will future history classes have to teach memes and internet culture when discussing the 21st century?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Why are all AGP trannies white…but all HSTS trannies minorities ?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo, because these are the ends times."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAny day now, amirite senior televangelist???"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nleast obsessed troontheist"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo present history classes teach about Killroy memes?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nidk what that means and i don't need to because trannies are only 0.5% of the population"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nWhy would it happen in a day? We're already there."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nt. every generation since the end times panic became a meme"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nBut now it's actually the end times."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What generation of ancient Rome most resembles boomers of modern times?\n\nThe generation looked at with ire by future generations for failing to ensure the wealth they enjoyed would be passed to those future generations."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Middle to late 12th century byzantines"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\ncould you elaborate?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis phenomenon will be amplified in the future. The gap between the old and the young will have another sore spot in that there will be a racial element to it whereas previously there had not had been."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nI've never thought about it like that. Now that you've mentioned it, the racial differences between Gen Z and Gen Alpha in contrast to the older generations that are majority White could be very important."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNone. Because back then even in the darkest times, you still have respect to your ancestors and if you had a problem you tried to solve it not sit around impotently and complain"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "With every passing year so do more holocaust survivors. Their tales lost forever except what little has been written down. Given some of us will live into the dark times of no 1st generation holocaust survivors what will be of us without them and their histories? What will it take to have their voices heard before it is too late?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "le contrarian faec"}, {"id": 3, "content": "I was reading an erodoujinshi about masturbation machines and I had to stop because it reminded me of what those innocent Jews had to go through."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nOP what are you worrying for? End of history already happened the only happening worth looking forward to is when virtually all of America can trace their ancestry to survivors of the holocaust then seen as the actual foundation of their(our) Nation, hopefully within 20 generations from now."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ndon't worry anon, there will always be second and third generation holocaust survivors, here to be moral guides in these dark days."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "is this true?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno, those are low res clades of R2.\nSame reason P* is also found in paleolithic Iberian HG, low res R.\nOldest P clades which are high res survive in Nivkhs and the oldest P sample is Yana, a West Eurasian.\nThe only K* ever found was in a high resolution West Eurasian in Bronze Age Siberia."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nI2 Romanian homosexual none of those are R2. I know R2 is your superior but Filipinos don't have R2 they have P1*. Yana is East Eurasian Filipino-like."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nNope, Yana has 2 affinities, Sunghir and Salkhit, and neither are related to pinoys.\n>dont have R2\nThey do, in fact Pinoy natives can have West Eurasian introgression measured by their level of R and Q (P).\nI feel really bad that Nivkhs are ignored despite them having older P clades and higher res P clades than Pinoys.\nBut what can you do when shitskins want to paint Basal Eurasians as Abos or something.\n\nyou will never be ANE\nANE was Nordic\nWe know this because Craniometically Kumsay was the most like Northern Euros and Tarim mummies are 85% ANE and look like North Euros.\n\nANE facial SNPs are shared between Europeans, ANE themselves, and Jomon."}, {"id": 5, "content": "sorry this >>4\nwas meant for (You) >>3\nlol its hard to even reply to such seething shitskins lmao"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nthey're mongoloid"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey didnt exist in the Upper Paleolithic, they are not descended from Pinoys but from Yana, whether the descendants of Yana are mongoloid is irrelevant to answering whether Yana (earliest P) was Mongoloid, which they obviously werent as Salkhit looked like a Neanderthal and Yana is Salkhit + early Gravettian."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>We know this because Craniometically Kumsay was the most like Northern Euros\nCope.\n>ANE facial SNPs are shared between Europeans, ANE themselves, and Jomon.\nCope."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "We all agree Lu Bu was the greatest warrior in history right?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Chinks can't fight"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtPKylDDoOw [Embed]"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">And this is my warlord, Fat Fuck"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>mythological figures\nWe're talking people that actually existed here\n>musashi 6th\nROFLMAOAY"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>He wuz greatest warrior in the land n shit.\n>His entire narrative is just him losing to one warlord after another."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nIt's an incredible list."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNot even the greatest in Chinese history."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">Three persons can't be one essence\nProve it (you can't)"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDoesn't that drawing make there 4 God's?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nNo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Trinity directly contradicts the Torah, this is why the Jews reject Christianity.\n\nIn the Quran,\nPurity of Faith -----112 1-4.\nHe is God---One and Indivisible, God----the Sustainer needed by all. He has never had offspring, not was He born. And there is none comparable to him."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nThe opinions of jews and moslems do not matter"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nWhy? I see 4 points on the pyramid"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nNo, God is one.\n>>4\n>non-Christians reject the trinity\nI know."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nI am not interested in teaching you to read and to interpret basic symbols\nYou are invited to demonstrate that three persons cannot be one essence"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n>>5\nSo before Jesus, God misled all his people in his revelations including his prophets?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nQuestion begging\n\nCan you show that three persons cannot be one essence?"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nHow did God supposedly misled people?"}, {"id": 12, "content": "The point of the trynity is that the christian god is so powerfull that he can do something impossible."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nFalse"}, {"id": 14, "content": "."}, {"id": 15, "content": "all we're missing now is the 1+1+1"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>5\nThe polytheists' opinion does not matter."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhat is a 'person' and what is an 'essence' to you?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>17\nContextually, person corresponds to father, son and spirit, and essence corresponds to God"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>5\nBased dirk"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\nWhat do the words person and essence mean to you, though?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>15\nCorrect 1 person + 1 person + 1 person = 3 persons. Now, if we're talking about the number of Gods, it's 1 God x 1 God x 1 God = 1 God"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\nA person is what the father, son and spirit are and an essence is what God is\n\nSuppose for the sake of argument there are no other persons or essences in existence. Do you claim to be able to prove three persons cannot be one essence?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n1×1×1×1×1×1×1 =1!!!! Omg it's the Septinity! God in seven persons. GO BACK TO SCHOOL CHRIST KEKS"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nEssence is such a general term you could say me and my sister are different persons but have the same essence."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAuthors write in the 1st Person, in the 2nd Person, and in the 3rd Person all the time. Are you that dense?"}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>23\nseething"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\nYou are a real stupid one. Multiple perspectives is not the same and multiple persons in one. JUST GO BACK TO SCHOOL BROWNOIDS"}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>24\nDo you assert that the doctrine of the trinity is incoherent? Do you assert that three persons cannot be one essence?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>26\n4's in the 4th Person, 4chan."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>22\nThose aren't definitions, though. If I want to know what a dog is, it doesn't answer my question if you just say that a dog is what Fido is. I'm asking for definitions, not examples."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>26\nLol your dumb 1x1x1x1x1x1 6 persons in one God!!!!!!!"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>27\nGo with the Holy Ghost writer. He will never let you down."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nYeah. Essence is such a general term as I said."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>30\nThose are definitions. I gave you an exhaustive set.\n\n>>33\nProve your assertion"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nNo, they're not. It would not tell me what a dog is if you just listed the name of every dog in the world. I want to know: What are the necessary and sufficient conditions for something to be a person, and what are the necessary and sufficient conditions for something to be an essence?"}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>34\n>Prove your assertion\nIf you say that all three share an essence that doesn't mean they are one God necessarily. For example I could say that three humans share a common essence while they are three separate persons and do not share a single being."}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>36\nAre the humans infinite?"}, {"id": 38, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirstly how can you know there is a God?\nAnd also know the trinitarian God to be true?"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>37\nIs 3 infinite?"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>38\n>Firstly how can you know there is a God?\nBy the sensus divinitatis God impressed on the soul.\n>And also know the trinitarian God to be true?\nBy His self-revelation in the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments."}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>36\nSo you do not assert that three persons cannot be one essence?\n\n>>35\nThey are.\nOne gizmo exists. I'm holding it now. It has doodads and thingies.\nLet a gizmo be defined as the object I'm holding. Any properties this object possesses, that's the definition of a gizmo.\n\nI told you to define person as the biblical father, son, and spirit and define essence as God. I then told you to suppose no other person or essence exists.\nThis is a complete definition. If you disagree and you can't understand what these things are, you are not able to assert that three persons cannot be one essence.\nDo you assert this?\n\n>>38\nOff topic"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>39\nThe being of God is infinite."}, {"id": 43, "content": ">>42\nSo is the being of humans"}, {"id": 44, "content": ">>43\nAm I you?"}, {"id": 45, "content": ">>41\n>So you do not assert that three persons cannot be one essence?\nThey can. God isn't an essence, but a totality"}, {"id": 46, "content": ">>44\nYour being or soul is."}, {"id": 47, "content": ">>40\n>By the sensus divinitatis God impressed on the soul.\n>>And also know the trinitarian God to be true?.\n>By His self-revelation in the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments.\n\nOr the fact you most likely had Christian parents or were born into a Christian society and therefore are Christian. If you were born in India you would say the same about Hinduism, Saudi Arabia, Islam.\n\nYou talk of revelation in scriptures, why then don't you believe the revelations and eyewitness testimony of Joseph Smith and his golden tablets or Muhammad and the Battle of Badr?\n\n>>41\n>Off topic.\nPathetic lol."}, {"id": 48, "content": ">>45\nWhy post itt if you agree with me"}, {"id": 49, "content": ">>41\n>If you disagree and you can't understand what these things are, you are not able to assert that three persons cannot be one essence.\nWell, sure, if you refuse to tell anyone what your theology is, then no can say that your theology is incoherent. Not sure what kinda flex that is."}, {"id": 50, "content": ">>48\nGOD ISN'T AN ESSENCE BUT A TOTALITY"}, {"id": 51, "content": ">>50\nYour opinion\n\nDo you assert that three persons cannot be one essence? You said no a minute ago\n\n>>49\nfiltered"}, {"id": 52, "content": ">>46\nNo.\n>>47\n>Or the fact you most likely had Christian parents or were born into a Christian society and therefore are Christian\nI was raised in an atheist household in a godless society\n>If you were born in India you would say the same about Hinduism, Saudi Arabia, Islam.\nNot only is this simply false as I was not raised in the Church, it's also an invalid argument because this is an ad hominem. Why someone believes something has nothing to do with if it's true or not. I may also have believed the earth is flat if I grew up in Arabia, do you think this proves it is?\nIt also ironically proves my point, because the false religions separated by so great a distance show that all men have a sense of Deity. Never has there been a culture without religion.\n>You talk of revelation in scriptures, why then don't you believe the revelations and eyewitness testimony of Joseph Smith and his golden tablets or Muhammad and the Battle of Badr?\nI can't seem to find them in my bible"}, {"id": 53, "content": ">>51\n>Your opinion\nNo it's the truth.\n\n>>52\n>No\nYour opinion"}, {"id": 54, "content": "The reason why it's 3 is because you are body, spirit, and soul. To some, I am friend, to others mentee, to others anon and you may even see a different name given to me for each."}, {"id": 55, "content": ">>54\nBased knower"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Has the US actually peaked or were the 1950s of America overrated?\n\nIn the 1950s the poverty rate was twice what it is today.\n\nIf you want the peak of the US, comparatively, for the average person it was probably somewhere between 1998 and 2001."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhatever helps you cope with modern poverty."}, {"id": 3, "content": "How did they know the poverty rate when the statistic was made up in the 60's"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transportation."}, {"id": 2, "content": "a developed country is one where you can suck my nuts"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>implying the rich use PT\nEnjoy your enslavement to state transport poorfags"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nHere in Europe we have great public transport.\nHow is your $500 dollar car payment chuck? Gotta get a new car next month, to impress the neighbours."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nYou know you're still using regulated government transport when you use public roadways, right retard?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nUnfortunately. I would much rather drive on private toll roads, which are always much better maintained and are much more fair since people pay for it based on their usage of the road. It is yet another example of extraordinary government overreach."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What when wrong Coxsuckers?!?! How did Hardon beat us so badly?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Wilson joined World War II after promising not to, and swung hard against immigration, closing the open door. Plus a brief economic depression once the war was over.\nSo all the white ethnics who usually voted for Democrats in the North deserted the party and only southerners backed him."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Wilson was a fluke president; the Republican machine that had been entrenched since the Civil War was still extremely powerful and would be for another decade until getting wiped out in the Depression."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSuperior genes"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt was after WW1 which shook the US (and the globe) his campaign heavily emphasized something he referred to as a \"return to normalcy\" and people weren't hip to the dishonesty and patronizing nature of political double talk back then."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nhe was accused of being part african american."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What's the point of history when we have perfect knowledge of current events as they are happening?\n\nHow come"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Do we?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "the more i learn about him the less i like about him. You'd be hard-pressed to find a historical American figure who got more US troops killed for the sake of ego."}, {"id": 2, "content": "incheon pocket was good"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI can think of one"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\neven his stroke of genius (guesswork) at Inchon has a shitty ego-driven backdrop to it. Way more resources and planning were poured into Macarthur's entourage driving around for a post-landing photo shoot than to the actual operation itself. Dude was way more concerned about strutting around looking good in his leather jacket and aviators than getting the Marines ashore safely and it was mostly sheer luck that there was not a regiment or even a full division of dug-in KPA waiting to turn the beachhead into a bloodbath similar to Omaha/Anzio/Tarawa.\n\nJust look at this vain asshole, with his posse of ass-kissers! Ridgway deserves infinitely more respect in every category. If he had been in command from day 1 of Korea the North wouldn't exist as a seperate nation."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe kinda looked cool sometimes, in an old-people way. Really, Americans just like a guy who does photo ops well.\n\nBesides, any war with pre-nuke Japan would involve a lot of casualties regardless. They didn't surrender that often so it really dragged the battles out."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nIs that Morrissey?"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI mean, he won from both a strategic and tactical standpoint, so that is kind of what matters in the end. However, I'm actually reading a book right now about him in the early war in the Philippine campaign, and to put it bluntly he is portrayed as a cunt for a number of totally justified reasons. Dude gave no shits about his soldiers as long as he got an ego trip."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\nLol no, I never realized how much they look alike. It's William Westmoreland, widely considered to be the general that fucked up the Vietnam War and then threw a huge hissy fit about it blaming everybody but himself. I had a thread about him on /k/ a week or two ago and learned a ton about him. Dude was an AWFUL guy that makes MacArthur look like Patton."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>6\n>>8\nWilliam, it was really nothing."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThe rain falls hard on Saigon town\nThis town has dragged you down\nOh, the rain falls hard on a Cambodian town\nThis war has dragged you down\nOh, no, and everybody's got to live their life\nAnd God knows I've got to live mine\nGod knows I've got to live mine\nWilliam, William, it was really nothing\nWilliam, William, it was really nothing\nIt was your war\nHow can you stay with a Viet girl who'll say\n\"Oh! Would you like to rape me?\nAnd if you like you can make me a Jook-Sing\"\nShe won't care about anything\n\"Would you like to impregnate me?\nAnd if you like I can touch your thing\"\nI don't dream about anything, except mental health\nOh, William, William, it was really nothing\nWilliam, William"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>3\nI’m pretty sure more US troops were killed by Dugout Doug’s incompetence in the phillipines 1941-45/Korea than WestMoreland got killed in Vietnam"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>7\ndid they ever explain why he was getting a six digit pay day from PI while supposedly working for the us as a general and totally not a traitor and how his pay day effected his attitude on PI, specifically its re-capture even though it had no real significance and just slowed down the path to nippon?\n\ni mean as a rule you dont expect competent and trustworthy people to make it into top political positions so i dont find it odd at all that he was a complete shit show. its only surprising to find the guys who actually acted in good faith and tried their best even if they didnt do so well"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhilarious how they replaced him with ridgway and the korean war situation immediately turned around for america. but by then the public had grown tired and the war was no longer politically feasible"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>7\n>I mean, he won from both a strategic and tactical standpoint\n\nhe literally lost and was put into a full retreat out of the country by peasant chinks"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>9\n>>10\nLul"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nI wasn't talking about Korea lol, he was raped in that war by Dehuai despite some incredible early successes(Incheon) against the North Koreans. In the Pacific after the disaster of the Philippines he was a competent general with a sound strategy and an insufferable attitude. After WWII he grew way too big for his britches and thought he alone could win literally anything anywhere. Ridgway really should have said fuck it regarding public opinion and just destroyed the Chinese/KPA when he had the chance."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\nDifference is context. Westmoreland killed more American troops in Vietnam than MacArthur did in Korea in a significantly lower intensity conflict in roughly the same period of time as the entire duration of the Korean War. Also, WWII and Vietnam are nowhere near comparable in conditions, tactics, or scale lol. It's apples to oranges."}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>9\n>>10\nScreencap this."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWhy are his pants so high"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Napalm is a language, can't gooks read?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\nBecause of all the amphibious landing stuff he did"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Gaslighting: the Religions"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nWow, Star Trek finally got tax exempt status?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Doesn't Muhammed literally get tricked by demons?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nI don't even consider Islam a religion."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI heard the philosophy that Abrahamic and Eastern religions are the main religions that remain because their philosophies elevate people. The way it's explained, Islam, Christianity, and their offshoots are about finding out a higher good and submitting yourself to it so you can be spiritually closer. While eastern religions (like Buddhism and Shinto) are about noticing the world around you in pursuit of a greater good to align yourself with. Compared to primitive forms of paganism, tengri, or animism, these faiths help people feel closer to a higher calling so people are more likely to convert to, and even more likely to stick with, them.\n\nAtheism is just not believing in a deity. It doesn't have any customs or beliefs. Atheists just kinda do whatever they feel is best."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\n>It doesn't have any customs or beliefs\nExcept for the custom of abomination"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Believing in God and understanding the concept of God are two different things.\nThe first is believing in made up stories as real, the second is understanding the nature of the known universe and of the human psyche as a whole.\n\nReligion was always the gift of the smarter and deluded man to his fellow retard in a way that made following basic principles of self-respect easier to grasp.\n\nJust like science and the cult of famous personalities are now the new best religions around because they give everyone the illusion of properly understanding what life is about.\n\nThe issue with religions is that they were always malleable to fit one's perspective, so even basic principles of self-love and love for others were always ignored and twisted for personal gain, following animalistic urges.\n\nGod is believing that you know that tomorrow you'll go to work and everything will be fine, even if that's a delusion based on little data that to you seems plenty and rationable.\n\nGod is believing that Science always follows the scientific method and isn't rooted into the religious principle of \"good faith\" (which can easily be ignored), be it based on your own perceptions or the experiments ran by others.\nGod is believing that another man or woman holds the answers to how to live a proper life that is fulfilling, or that you can tell whatever the answer might be.\n\nTruth is, we're all clueless, and being reminded that we know nothing all the time can be scary and dishorienting, so we need a direction in which to evolve and go, but everything is dictated by feelings and irrationality, madness if you will.\n\nYou're being gaslighted into living by your own survival instincts. For what reason?\nBecause you don't want to die and living comes easy to you.\nBut why? What's the point?\nYou can and want to know, so you will keep going until the end.\nBut why?\nI guess it's not important to know the true reason, as long as we keep going.\nMaybe the answer is \"paradise\" and finding \"god\"."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>6\npretty sure you can oppose that and still be atheist but alright"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nNot consistently, (not that being a consistent atheist is truly possible)"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nshame\nnot my problem though"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nNot even christians can do that consistently.\nThe issue you are raising is \"Should we love our enemies?\", to which the religious answer should be \"Yes, so we can become friends.\", but plenty of religious people love to condemn other humans for not following their dogmas (same goes for non-religious people), so they are forced to either give up pieces of themselves and accept humanity as a whole or to fight back.\n\nThe religious person tries to deify and demonize the human side, but truth is none of them are real.\nHumans are just humans, not angels nor demons.\nYou can argue that certain beliefs and actions can destibilize human society, to which you are absolutely correct, but how do you oppose them, if you can't demonstrate that they are hurting others? And even if they hurt others, why should they care when everyone hurts everyone and them?\nNot even counting that in a capitalist society, what truly holds power is money, not righteous ideals.\n\nWho's the individual that can put a stop to it?\nA godless dictator that ironically ends up as a God."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nGod is atheist. Atheism is God."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nwar is god."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Christians think that saying 1×1×1 = 1 proves the trinity. How can they possibly be this dumb? Is it American education? What went wrong?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "not an argument\n\n>America\n\nshithole spawn detected\nrent free"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n1×1×1 isn't an argument it's catastrophicly dumb"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What differentiates humans from animals?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\njoke answer: the ability to create funko pops of fictional tertiary characters from tv shows that last one season and create an economy around it.\n\nreal answer: the ability to articulate love into permanence."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Haplogroup R1."}, {"id": 4, "content": "Historically, animals and humans were one and the same. The same can be said for all matter in the material world."}, {"id": 5, "content": "The image of God"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nThis is what atheists actually believe"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHumans are nothing more than animals that are good at using tools\nSome mentally handicaped are dumber than seafood"}, {"id": 8, "content": "the mediterranean"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Europeans Did NOT Invent Western Civilization"}, {"id": 2, "content": "OP is a faggot\n\nsage"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Yeah jews did and only their golems believe it"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHow come all they do is copy?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nEuropeans owe POCs $100 trillion in reparations for IP theft."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGlad you guys invented so much cool stuff. Thanks! A few of those things are a little off, the wheel is a hard one to claim but, sure let's give it to you. How about every modern invention? Cars, railroads/locomotives, the languages you're speaking daily, airplanes, phones, computers, cellphones (maybe disputable), internet, automated printing press, eeeeelectricity (bigggg one). I'll grant China a great deal of credit too! Certainly not middle easterners or any population outside of Eurasia. :O"}, {"id": 7, "content": "See picrel.\nIndian kid with Anglo kid\nWhat caused Indian look so subhumans in comparison to other races?"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nwhy do you have this saved"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nIndia bro looks like a Chad ngl"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwho cares. fuck you."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">reads Wikipedia page on Hitler's lost left nut\n>instantly gets half a million views"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Hitler's lost left nut\nwut"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLiterally his videos are word for word Wikipedia articles.\nAll the chumps in the comments praising him for being such an amazing \"historian\" and how they never learnt these things in School. It's cringe."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>3\nI have it on good authority he has read straight from neo nazi and wheraboo forums."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nheil hitler"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "\"ANE were mongoloid\" sisters...\n\nwe lost...\n\nits over...\n\n>a, The position of DCP1 in a Bayesian tree reconstructed from modern31,32 and ancient33 human mtDNA sequences (see Supplementary Information 5 for the full tree). Nodes are labelled with the corresponding posterior probabilities, and the x axis represents years from the present. Identified haplogroups are outlined by the bars on the right. rCRS, revised Cambridge reference sequence. b, X–autosome proportion in DCP1 (using all and deaminated molecules only) in comparison to data from six other ancient hominin individuals34,35. Circles correspond to the calculated values of the ratios for the number of X to (X + autosomal) fragments for each individual (n (of single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs)) = 20,526, 3,734, 124,862, 85,901, 34,756, 41,632, 34,677 and 72,992 SNPs for each calculation, as ordered on the x axis). The error bars represent 95% binomial CIs of the measurement in each individual. c, Principal component (PC) analysis of non-African modern human genomes36 (grey) with ancient human genomes (coloured) projected on top. DCP1 was analysed twice, using all data versus deaminated fragments only. AG3, Afontova Gora 3; ANA, ancient Native Americans; MA1, Mal’ta 1; Russia_HG, Russian hunter–gatherers; UKY001, Ust Kyakhta; WSHG, West Siberian hunter–gatherers."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEuropeans have the highest ANE admixture. Anything that puts Amerindians at 42% puts Europeans at twice that. Tajiks do not have a lot of ANE. Their ANE is from steppe and they have less steppe than Europeans. Simple as. (Some) Maori are closer to ANE than anyone because they (some) are mostly European with Polynesian which plots them in between Europeans and Polynesians, which is where ANE plots, however they share basically no DNA with ANE. Same for Indians. They share basically nothing with ANE but as they are between europeans and asians they plot not close to ANE but on the same “latitude”.\nANE was 80% West Eurasian and 20% super-archaic Salkhit. We also can literally see what ANE looked like, they looked European as the Tarim mummies have proven and they share facial SNPs with Europeans and Jomon, their faces literally did not look Amerind, their genotype is exclusively European and Jomon. You may now cope and seethe. Europeans are the most like ANE. Have well over 60% Archaic European which is the primary component of ANE, Europeans have more Salkhit than Amerinds which basically settles it forever. Europeans are in fact the only people to have a substantial Salkhit input. It’s over for mutts."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nMordvix post. Opinion discarded"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nYou're still not needed, Gogi."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\n/Thread"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>unknown\nhis punches are very fast, a little telegraphed, but so fast it barely matters. clearly he has some martial arts training or has a natural aptitude for fighting"}, {"id": 7, "content": "Mordvix and Varg need to team up and invade the Mediterranean (africa)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nVarg is a Norwegian larper living on EU welfare with a wife and multiple children. Mordvix (and StJ) are both \"steppe\" larper incels who spend their entire being online, though at least Mordvix is still young."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nI think they all must form a Koryos and invade the africans in Italy and gayrease"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n>gayrease\nBy the way."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nVarg humiliated the steppe larpers. He wants nothing to do with them."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe were hapas. Picrel shows they plot between west and east eurasians"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>12\nsad"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>unknown\n>Salkhit\n>Yana\n>Tianyuan"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n>Finns are 50% East Eurasia"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>14\nTianyuan was an east eurasian anon...\nSalkhit was 3/4 Tianyuan 1/4 ANE\nIf anything shows they dont cluster together"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nall the same, WHGs anceysote kicked ANE out of Europe, you're essentially identifying with your outcast uncle because his new family was cooler"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nMy friend, Salkhit shares no ancestry with Tianyuan.\nSalkhit has been described as super archaic and basal to all Eurasians."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>18\n>>Comparison with present-day populations using outgroup f3- and D-statistics showed that they were genetically most similar to present-day East Asians and Southeast Asians, thus showing that Tianyuan, Salkhit and AR33K are associated with the ESEA lineage, rather than the AA or AASI lineages [61,65,66,78].\n\n>carries ~75% of its ancestry from the Tianyuan-related East Eurasian population and the remaining ~25% from a Siberian population related to the Yana individuals\n\n\nSalkhit is just a chink mixed with an ANE grandparent"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>Salkhit has been described as super archaic and basal to all Eurasians.\nThe same was said about Uraloids before genetics proved that they are just a mixed race."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nANE were half mongoloid*"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>20\n>>19\n>>18\n>>16\n>>14\nSalkhit is pre-split Eurasian."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>20\nSalkhit has been tested. Genetics is not magic that will eventually vindicate clearly your superior intelect always. Sometimes a rock is a rock."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThey split before the so-called \"caucasoid-mongoloid split\", so its a very stupid thing to say"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>22\nOnly Zlaty-Kun and ust ishim are that."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>25\nCope."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>19\nSalkhit predates ANE and her non-West Eurasian isn’t Tianyuan or any form of common Eurasian, it’s an archaic relict group. You can run her against Mbuti and she has no affinity for Tianyuan.\n>>20\nNo it wasn’t Uralics were always understood as an intermediary, also Salkhits DNA is the reason she is known as a relict. Her MtDNA is also closer to Africans than to eurasians and is ancestral to most women in Eurasia.\n>>21\nThey are literally closer to Iberians than to Mongoloids. They are not “half mongoloid”."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">nuh uh, we were here first so you can’t take this land!\ndo indians really"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nnice. you can stop crying about europe getting browned, and saudi arabia getting pajeeted now."}, {"id": 3, "content": "why do cumskins treat brownoids the same way jews treat them?"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\nDifferent because Europeans reached the Americas before the \"Native\" Americans did."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nNever happened."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nSlaves universally repeat the moral injunctions of their masters unwillingly outside of freakish outliers like the introduction of monotheism by way of the Abrahamic traditions."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What do pagans actually believe in?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">observe something in nature\n>this makes me feel bad: the spirits must be angry\n>this makes me feel good: this is a sign from the good spirits"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt varies from pagan to pagan."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAesthetics. Like all young people today."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMcDonald’s.\nTheir current menu prices are causing a schism among pagans."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSeething"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's just a larp. They don't want to be Christians or Atheists but Norse myths are even more unrealistic so the end up with nothing to actually follow."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBe more specific. Which kind of pagans are we talking about?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\nPoor Christcuck Ignoramus thinks the only Pagans are Asatru or Odinist Heathens! At least we won't proselytize you as the Christcuck does!"}, {"id": 10, "content": "It depends on which pagan you ask, like what culture they come from, because paganism isn´t just one umbrella religion, it´s simply indigenous spiritual beliefs. It depends then again how much you REALLY want to know about it. Speaking from an Indo-European perspective, if you are a hylic NPC, then you will literally believe the mythological stories as actual events, like Christcucks and Mudslimes currently do. However if you´re of a more intelligent and reflective persuasion, you will do some research and come to understand that the old mythological stories are deep allegories* for understanding the secrets of the universe. That´s why you had ancient mystery schools; they provided an outlet for people who wanted to genuinely investigate religion and not just blindly follow/believe whatever. Long story short though what pagans and Christians believe isn´t really that different. Christianity is just far more political and exoteric than paganism. Also you´re better off asking this somewhere else, if you´re genuinely interested. You´re just going to get a bunch of seething brown Christbitches not answering your question and complaining that not everyone wants to be a part of the Cult of Yahweh\n\n*I´m not saying that ancient or many modern pagans don´t sincerely believe in their Gods, they do. Especially the ancients. But the ancient erudite understood that the purpose of mythology was to guide humanity and lead us down the path of introspection so that we may better understand our role in the cosmos (or as it was back then, Earth), and that mythology itself was divinely mandated."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Don't know if this is allowed here, but I thought it was related to History, because family history.\n\n>Grandpa joined the US Marines and served in the 3rd Littoral AA Battalion through 1937-1944\n>We were digging through family shit and found some weird stuff.\n>Found out we had ancestors that owned slaves and had a couple plantations in the deep south in Mississippi.\n>We currently live in Kansas (shit state.)\n>Grandpa retired in 1959 when our grandma was pregnant with I and my sisters dad.\n>After our aunt died, all the family history shit went to us, and we began sifting through it.\n>Found letters from a native girl on Hawaii through 1941-1946.\n>Began dating some native Hawaiian chick in 1938 when she was 14, he was 18.\n>Aelaina (Unpronounceable 30+ letter last name.)\n>They wrote letters back and forth until 1946.\n>He wrote back a letter stating some family problems were going on in the deep south and he couldn't stay.\n>Found out it wasn't family problems grandpa was having in 1945, it was because his parents were having problems with \"misbehaving niggers\"\n>In another letter she had wrote to him that she had his kid.\n>May 17th, 1946.\n>Realized they had unprotected sex.\n>Both my sisters and I looked at each other and were going \"oh fuck\"\n>Because there's a whole other, possibly still existing, fucking family lineage out there."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nCont.\n\n>After that, there were no more letters, it seems he up and abandoned her or something.\n>Went ahead and handed the letters to grandma.\n>Next thing we heard was wailing and crying in the living room.\n>Grandma was upset and felt betrayed.\n>Letters and the other stuff are in storage so I cant pull them back out at this moment.\n>Another reason why were in Kansas is because dad had black friends in HS.\n>Family had no choice but to move out of Mississippi because violence.\n>Grandpa died in 1993 and was buried in Mississippi.\n\nWe've contacted a government agency to figure this shit out. Our dad was pretty excited because its only him and our grandma left over from other family members, and he's excited to meet possible family members.\n\nThe rest are dead.\n\nIt pisses me off that he left her just to go bully blacks instead of staying and taking care of his kid. Grandma is still pissed about it to this day, even though it literally been a year after our aunt died. Would you be pissed if you found out your wife/husband had a relationship prior to yours that you had no idea about? Literally no fucking clue?"}, {"id": 3, "content": "My ancestors fought at the battle of Hastings on the winning side."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nTell me more anon. I have records that show my mom's side arrived on North America in the 1600s."}, {"id": 5, "content": "My mom's mom's side of the family goes back to early English settlers but ended up turbo Mormons at some point. One of my ancestors had two families on separate sides of a river"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>>2\nBased native pussy is the right of any colonizer"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nthats a pretty shitty fact. your ancestors had to fight meaningless wars and possibly die a bloody death"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This kills the Calvinist"}, {"id": 2, "content": "This kills the synergist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nwhy does an omnipotent, omniscient entity need a strategy? we need a strategy to achieve goals indirectly, navigating a maze of constraints. gawd can achieve any goal directly by merely wanting it to become achieved."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\ntl;dr?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>\"the end is nigh, trust me on this\"\nprobably."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">marine high command were worried they would have budget cuts after the war and would go back to being naval security\n>they needed a massive victory they could film and show off\n>so they stage one\n>nearly 19,000 japanese soldiers apparently lived on an island without any food resources, natural water and barely any supplies coming in for months..somehow\n>tadamichi kuribayashi spends most of his life in america working in dc, has strange photo shopped pictures and his body is never found\n>takeichi nishi spends most of his life traveling around the world and is best friends with charlie chaplin, he too has strange photo shopped pictures and his body is also never found\n>takeichi's 28 tanks all sink aboard nisshu maru but he gets 22 of them later..somehow\n>despite the tank gun barrels being removed from the tanks and placed into the soil they still worked perfectly and had no problems..somehow\n>james bradley (one of the flag raisers sons) and author of the book 'flags of our fathers' now doubts his dad ever even raised the flag in the first place\n>despite the japanese supposedly having loads of underground tunnels they dug for months/years prior to the battle, majority of these tunnels either can't be located or are off limits to the general public...for some reason\n>most of the '''''tunnels''''' you can visit are instead caves\nThe entire thing was nothing more than a photo op devised by glowies."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Here's a totally real definitely not photo shopped photo of Tadamichi Kuribayashi"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Le bump"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Isn't it funny that dozens of millions starved to death in commie nations because workers didn't knew how to manage factories, and they killed all the factory managers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "anon that never happened, the factories were taken over by bureaucrats\nthe workers have never directly owned the means of production"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n/thread\nCommunism is about taking from me and giving it to a bureaucrat."}, {"id": 4, "content": "food shortfalls under communism were of food, anon. Not of manufactured goods.\nIt was the collective farms that really struggled with output, peasants who had finally obtained their own land perceived it as a return to serfdom and treated it accordingly. factories were modestly less efficient than in the capitalist world but that was more a matter of trading off between productivity and leisure."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nthe factory managers could have told the kulaks not to burn the food"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nTWO MORE WEEKS TILL WORKERS COMMUNES"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nit's overpopulation and industrialization."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why is the brown skin universally associated with low iq, poor social cohesion and violent, anti-social tendencies? Is it the work of evlolution, or did god make it that way?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nVarna\nBrahmans white\nKshatriya red\nVaishya yellow\nSudra black"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI think black people did that by being retarded in general compared to most advanced civilizations"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>Varna"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why and when did people stop using slings as a weapon? I've become obsessed with them. They're so cool."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nModern times, because they were obsoleted by gunpowder weapons."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nEarly 15th century in Europe. Once gunpowder based small arms became available slings were essentially obsolete."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>2\n>>3\nWait so there were people in medieval europe using slings on the battlefield?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nyes, but it was a poor man's weapon"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\npretty sure they still see use among africans, jungle pigmies in papua and shit"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nYeah, they weren't that effective but for a normal person being able to actually afford to have a projectile weapon it's a hell of a lot better than nothing."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Is Freemasonry really the only option if you’re a westerner want to join an authentic esoteric order?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>esoteric order\nBasically a grift before grifting was a thing.\n\"Yeah bro, I've got secret knowledge or some shit. Just uhhh, pay your membership fees and I'll tell you when you move up the ranks haha\""}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nnot all esoteric traditions are Scientology, dumbass"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nAll esoteric orders are the same shit. The world is more boring than you realize, and shit like freemasonry exists to profit off retards like you"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf you wanna be shabbos goyim"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nI dislike esoteric orders also but you sound like an atheist prick."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\n>t. motivated by fear\nThis is what happens when you don't have either anger or shame to balance your attitude."}, {"id": 8, "content": "No it´s not and the fact you´re asking that exposes how little you know about esoterica, which means you should stay away from secret societies. They would not welcome you. Nor should you want to. Most modern day secret societies are just circlejerk fanboy clubs. If you want to dabble in the occult, find a teacher (NOT a secret society) or learn it by yourself."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What causes this?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "guangxi are fucking savages"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nInterestingly the bigger red zone is also where the Han Chinese' ancestors originated and expanded from."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">Sharing FLG propaganda."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmixture of overpopulation and multiple famines is not good for human society"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\ndoesnt Falun Gong actually state that pre-Communist China was a literal paradise?\nThey wouldnt admit that medieval China had any cannibals"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nThey also say China under Confucianism is a shithole and that Cryptobuddhist-taoist-Qigong is the way.\n\nThey like only the Tang Dynasty alone for this very reason (The Tang made Taoism their chief religion for a brief period)."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\n>>6\n>>7\nIt's actually from a twitter user who made up a new ethic group for himself that wants independence from china as traditional catholic monarchy. Not sure why OP cut off the credit to such a great source."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHave you ever kissed a Chinese girl? They taste delicious. I understand the sentiment, but would never go that far."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\n>It's actually from a twitter user who made up a new ethic group for himself that wants independence from china as traditional catholic monarchy\nis he one of those Christian Tibeto-Burmeae ethnicities lr is he just autistic?\nI want answers"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>What causes this?\n\nThey were living under the Deuteronomy 28 curse without realizing it.\n\nDeuteronomy 28:53\n>And you shall eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your sons and daughters, whom the LORD your God has given you, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemies shall distress you.\n\nAnd this happened to many other nations as well. The Chinese fell victim because they worship demons do they not?\n\n\nIsaiah 49:26\n>I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine. Then all mankind will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”\n\nLamentations 4:10\n>With their own hands compassionate women have cooked their own children, who became their food when my people were destroyed.\n\nEzekiel 5:10\n>Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in your midst, and sons shall eat their fathers. And I will execute judgments on you, and any of you who survive I will scatter to all the winds.\n\n\n2 Kings 6:28–29\n>And the king asked her, “What is your trouble?” She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow.’ So we boiled my son and ate him. And on the next day I said to her, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him.’ But she has hidden her son.”\n\nThey weren't enjoying the fat abundance of the land from the early and the latter rains. They had to resort to consuming human flesh as described in Deuteronomy 28:53 due to barren lands and dryness. God pretty much saying \"where are your demon idols that you put before Me to come and save you?\""}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nread another book"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>4\n>Falun Gong are... le bad\n>>8\nthis doesn't deboonk the data"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "historically speaking why are jews so smart?\nThis guy was a fry cook 10 years ago, now he's a billionaire sending zoyim to die. Making videos of it and posting them online and asking for more shekels and weapons"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo neocortex = reptile intelligence."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBased Warboss Prigozhin lining up dead Urukraini and using them to ask for more ammo"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nIf there were ever a Jew who deserved to die in a gas chamber, it's Yevgeny Prigozhin. Baldfaced son of a bitch is directly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Ukraine, Syria, and large swathes of Africa."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPurely socioeconomic factors."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nin group elitism is common among the minority groups\n>African Americans?\nTheyw ere never rich nor did they had any chance to form an elite caste among them, they are literally descendants of slaves. Unlike Jews whoa re deacendants of bankers and merchants.\nAn Indian or Chinese in West is smarter than average populace for instance. Meanwhile Indians and Chinese in their honeland, not so much."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>historically speaking why are jews so smart?\nbecause god blessed them"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nHow about we put both him and whoever is really in charge in Ukraine in a ring and force them to fight to death?"}, {"id": 9, "content": "We can all give a big, hearty round of applause to the Roman Catholic Church for that,\n\nThe main reason why a lot of Jewish people are good at finance is because during the RCC’s medieval persecution of Jews, Christians were forbidden to lend money at interest . . but they desperately needed money . . . so the RCC allowed Jews to lend at interest in order that Royals and nobles could finance their crusades\n\nNow, while that gave Jews the opportunity to make a living, it was one of the most perilous occupations at the time. If a Royal or noble felt they were too much in debt to the Jewish lender, they could, and in many cases did, just kill the Jew and his family and walk away with the blessing of the Church."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThat's a jewish lie. They always lended illegally.\nThe real prpblem was that they didn't execute them, but only expelled, so they could go to the next city and over time perfect their criminal skills by trial and error."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\nDeuteronomy 15:6"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">censors shirtless men"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">after masturbating to them"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">>unknown (OP)\nwhat anime does to a mfer"}, {"id": 2, "content": "bruh kys"}, {"id": 3, "content": "China won"}, {"id": 4, "content": "the 45 degree bow is actually an insult"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nfake and gay, japan has more freedom"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nfreedom my ass"}, {"id": 7, "content": "what is wrong with otakus"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Post your IQ and religious belief"}, {"id": 2, "content": "68\n\nBuddhist"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI want to believe."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n130 Eastern Orthodox"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIslam\n200IQ"}, {"id": 6, "content": "80\nAtheist"}, {"id": 7, "content": "141\natheist"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nWhat is your head circumference/hat size?"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nno but above average due to the amount I read and skill in debate\n\nmuslim"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>3\nAlso how important matrix reasoning? According to the chart I'm good at it."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n7 1/2"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n120 Hindu"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n7 1/2 tends to be 59.7-60 cm. You Z-score for hat size is larger than for your IQ. Frankly, to some extent its your workability of your intelligence that drags down your main abilities which are 94 to 96 percentile. Do you have distortions on your head, like craniosynostosis?"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>11\nHurry, before it's too late and they prune this thread, your opinion on the Demiurge/Gnosticism concept?"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nMatrix reasoning would be useful for math and more abstract non-verbal stuff. Block design is more concrete stuff and manipulation of 3-D stuff in your head."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>13\nThere's a crack on my head that the doctor says I got before the bones in my head fused. Also I have major depressive disorder and I've heard that can lower IQ.\n>>14\nI don't feel like the world is inherently evil in any way. But I do like the concept of Gnosis."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nNo idea, never had it tested. Let's say 98, 30 points over the average for this board\nNon-spiritual agnostic atheist"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\n>There's a crack on my head that the doctor says I got before the bones in my head fused. Also I have major depressive disorder and I've heard that can lower IQ.\nMaybe the disorder and the affect on IQ are not a situation of one causing another but a common factor causing both. An environmental affect like the crack or something else causing both."}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>16\nWere you vaxxed? This might be relevant."}, {"id": 20, "content": "bout 110 to 130, depends on test\nand this weird schizo combination of Hinduism, Christianity, Scythian Paganism, and Dionysian worship."}, {"id": 21, "content": "Idk exactly but the digital Mensa one gave me 132\nPantheist"}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>18\nMaybe. The doctor says the bones just fused weird and that everything looks fine, but I think she was just looking at the skull not the brain.\n>>19\nNo, but I did get covid twice."}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>22\nOk excellent, a small suggestion for later (if you want I'm not forcing you), take pure psychadelics, shrooms or DMT, if you can find them and report to us later on this board.\n\nStay away from the computer at all costs when this is happening. Like a week or so."}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\nThe doctor was looking at it both reductively and also from a 30000 foot view."}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>23\nI've thought about it, but I don't know how to get them and I live with my parents and I can't do stuff like that when they're around."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>22\nThis goes for anyone in this thread who isn't vaxxed or is on medications"}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nCatholic (convert from Sunni Islam (had personal Gnostic views whn I was a Muslim))\nCan't afford a real IQ test, i might be an actual retard."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>26\nWhat goes?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>28\nSomething isn't right with this reality, you need to see for yourself."}, {"id": 30, "content": "Why dirk hasnt posted yet, is he scared??"}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>27\nThe stupidest people I know are convinced they have superior cognition skills to everyone around them, are self-centered, and lack conscientiousness. Stay humble."}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>28\nI wish I could tell you everything of what transpired but I'm a drunkard and I don't wish to remember what I saw."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>31\n>Stay humble.\ni take my hat off to these words, boasting about intelligence is, even if you are smart, is a trap.\nAim for stars? Nope. Aim for birds, hope for stars."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>32\nMaybe you should get a psychological evaluation too."}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>34\nNo they wouldn't understand. But if you are stable and strong enough, and your body is not altered, I would advise to take these things.\n\nWhat I saw was the reality as it was, all realities in one, and it was not pleasant. I saw people for how they really were."}, {"id": 36, "content": ">>31\n>>33\n>Stay humble\nName one historical great general that was humble, you sissy faggots\n\nJust because you got BTFO'd or exposed while flexing with your crush in high school once doesnt mean you need to feel embarrassed for life and have a low self esteem"}, {"id": 37, "content": ">>34\nTo say they themselves are even people is actually kind of a misnomer? I'm not getting into it. Just consider it later as a side-quest (this goes for anyone in this thread)."}, {"id": 38, "content": "122 Christian"}, {"id": 39, "content": ">>36\n>Name one historical great general that was humble\nSuvorov was not a prideful man"}, {"id": 40, "content": ">>36\nCincinnatus"}, {"id": 41, "content": ">>39\n>making shit up\n>>40\n>literal who"}, {"id": 42, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n85\n\nCatholic"}, {"id": 43, "content": "138\nMarcionite"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Who's your favorite Roman Emperor /his/?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Heraclius or Valentinian I"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nTrajan"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSponsianus, he must've been a great man if (((they))) tried so hard to erase him from history."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\n>The sole evidence for the existence of Sponsianus is his name on a fewdouble-aureiand a silver coin reportedly uncovered in acoin-hoardinTransylvaniain 1713, and subsequently dispersed among several collections\n>If there were a historical Sponsianus, he might have been active during the Crisis of the Third Century, most likely in the province of Dacia. He could have proclaimed himself emperor in the 260s, after Dacia was cut off from the rest of the Empire during the reign of Gallienus. Another possibility is that he was active earlier, during the reign of Philip the Arab or his son, Philip II\n\nHuh, first time hearing about this guy, why do you think they wanted him erased?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nHe was rebelling against Philip the Arab, a semitic crypto-christian."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGaius Julius Caesar. Only people who have studied history will agree with this name."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If God exists then explain this"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nJust having a laugh m8"}, {"id": 3, "content": "Not an argument"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nBad karma. She was probably a /his/ shitposter in a past life."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\nit is essentially an arguement against Calvinism, Dirk.\nIs God responsible for this birth defect or not?"}, {"id": 6, "content": "average american"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\nIt's dirk in his next life"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAdam ate the fruit"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nWhat was in the fruit?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nDeath"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAmerimutts"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>9\nPenis"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFallen world"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nSo it really was Adam and Steve. Based."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nReminds me of a pseudogiant."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nhe was shill in previous life"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt’s a karmic consequence for the sins of ancestors"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>5\nYeah, so?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat is your god"}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>5\nA true calvinist would say he is."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nA Calvinist would object to the phrasing of \"responsible\""}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What are their origins? How have they changed over the years?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\nThis is the remains of the Sutro Baths, it was a giant saltwater swimming pool and spa that operated in San Francisco from 1894 to 1964. At the height of its popularity, it housed six saltwater pools with seven slides, an amphitheater, a small museum, and in its later years, an ice skating rink. Until 1905, it was even served by a narrow gauge railway line, the Park and Cliff House Railroad. After the baths closed down permanently in 1964, the building and its land was sold to real estate developers who planned to build a high-rise apartment complex on the site. In 1966 however, the entire site burned down in a \"mysterious\" fire (almost certainly a case of arson and insurance fraud). The gutted remains of the Baths are now property of the US National Park Service.\n\nI took these photos last years while visiting San Francisco for Fleet Week."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\n>I will never get to swim in that water park during it’s prime\nWhy even live?"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Close up view"}, {"id": 5, "content": "Ditto"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n\nI mean, you can swim in it now, but I would recommend wearing a wetsuit lol"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>5\nI like these pictures you have posted.\n:)"}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>2\nI've been there before. There was a bright orange colored human shit in one of those rooms in that building. Also, used needles were everywhere."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>7\n\nYou're welcome :)"}, {"id": 10, "content": "Tartarian architecture was beautiful. This is what they took from us."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>8\n\nI didn't see that while I was there but it wouldn't surprise me. Lots of beer cans and a broken crack pipe."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>2\nDestroyed because of a fucking insurance fraud scheme."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>11\n\nHow the interior of the baths would have looked in the early 20th Century"}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\n\nThe Baths had already permanently closed two years prior to the fire and had been in decline for years before that due to high operating costs. The actual pools had shut down prior to World War II. The site was already a hollow shell of its former self and there was no plan to reopen it."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>12\n\nFootage of the actual fire\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBA8SsYCNI [Embed]"}, {"id": 16, "content": "The Park and Cliff House Railroad which once linked the Sutro Baths and adjacent Cliff House with the rest of San Francisco."}, {"id": 17, "content": "The train on its last day of operation in 1905. Much of the route has since collapsed into the sea due to soil erosion although part of it now makes up the Coastal Trail of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Name 1 thing he did wrong"}, {"id": 2, "content": "Failed to come to terms with the reformed tradition"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nProtestants should’ve advocated for teaching everyone Biblical languages instead of translating the books"}, {"id": 4, "content": "Calling Jesus a \"fornicator\"\n>inb4 it was just a joke\na tasteless one\ndespite his angry German peasant attitude, i am not enemy of this guy. He was a noble enemy and I respect a noble enemy."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSola scriptura"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>5\nCorrectly define it"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>4\n>Angry German peasant attitude\n\nLuther was a huge pawn for German nobles. When peasants interpreted the Bible in a anabaptist lense and rebelled against feudalism Luther wrote for nobles to kill every peasant they could get their hands on."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\nThey deserved it"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\nEven Luther regretted what happened to some of them. Zwingli and his thugs drowned anabaptists because they refused to baptize their babies. So they thought it funny to murder them in a mock \"baptism\". The man had a big mouth, but he wasn't a complete animal. Like you, apparently."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\nThey were killed because they were dangerous terrorist revolutionaries who slaughtered innocents and ransacked churches. They deserved it"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nHe was antisemitic, rejected canonical books, worshipped three gods, oracticed cannibalism and failed to restore true Christianity"}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>3\nWhy?"}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>7\nhe would rant about Jews and women whole day long when he was older, he was a literal German peasant at hand even though he wore the expensive clothes the princes gave to him.\nAlso his table talks is literal village bumpkin tier talk with boys."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>10\nThey were based terrorist revolutionaries"}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>10\nHe and Melanchthon discussed this. They came to an accord that \"blasphemous\" articles of faith were seditious in itself. Luther had seeming regret even as he signed off on Melanchthon's memorandums. It didn't just have to do with political factions, but punishing purely religious factions the same as anyone else:\n>I assent. Although it seems cruel to punish them with the sword, it is crueler that they condemn the ministry of the Word and have no well-grounded doctrine and suppress the true and in this way seek to subvert the civil order.\nMurder for not baptizing infants.\nAll his grandstanding about \"Here I Stand\" and the faith of the individual thrown out the door. The Apostle's Creed's line \"I believe in the forgiveness of sins\" thrown out the door. All sense of love, instruction, catechesis, patiences, and other fruits of the Spirit thrown out the door. He caved into his worst side of human nature and so do you."}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\n>I assent. Although it seems cruel to punish them with the sword, it is crueler that they condemn the ministry of the Word and have no well-grounded doctrine and suppress the true and in this way seek to subvert the civil order.\n\nimagine dealing with these types of fucks back then. argue with an angry anon on the internet and make a spelling mistake and he shoots back that you have no well grounded argument and you and your family are now sentenced to torture and death lol. imagine how inane the reason for executions would get if leftist trannies actually had the power to kill anyone they wanted"}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>15\n>Melanchthon\nBlack earth?"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nmasturbate"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nwould that not be rather something like maurochthon? 'colored earth' seems to be a better term."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>7\nLuther wanted a reformation of the church not a revolution of society. If you’re a papist why can’t they see the difference. They’d make the exact same criticism as Luther did."}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>20\nsex gifs"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What the fuck even is \"racism\" in a Biblical commandment sense? Murder is a sin. Stealing is a sin. It's not suddenly more or less of a sin if it's done for \"racist\" reasons. How did not giving free shit to black people or not wanting them to live next to you become equal to murder and stealing? Shit that's actually mentioned in the Ten Commandments."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n>I don't want to live next to those Amalekites/Jebusites/Philistines/Edomites because of who their fathers are. Our men didn't give birth to them. They're not our people. Our God isn't their god.\n\nThis would've been considered perfectly noble, normal, and honorable in biblical times."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nRacism is explicitly denounced in the Scriptures:\nGalatians 3:28\n>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe Torah is zionist insanity"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThe ten commandments were written by evil entities from the Orion system. Moses was a fool to believe their lies."}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\n>Explicitly"}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>2\nBecause the Canaanites committed child sacrifice, it's not the same.\n>>6\nYes, explicitly."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>3\nThis denounces squat"}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>3\n\nHmm what in that verse says you're not allowed to have a racially segregated community?"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>7\n\n>the difference between israelites and canaanites was s-s-s-s-s-socioeconomic factors!!!! not genetic"}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>9\n>>8\nIf you are all one in Christ, racial/sexual/class disctinctions should not separate you in any way, otherwise you're rejecting being one with Christ.\n>>10\n>the difference between israelites and canaanites was\nthat one performed child sacrifice, the other didn't (until they allowed themselves to be corrupted anyway)."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\n\nBible supports segregation. Acts 17:26 KJV God made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the Earth and determined the times before appointed and the bounds of their habitation. Acts 17:26 NIV From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>Murder is a sin. Stealing is a sin. It's not suddenly more or less of a sin if it's done for \"racist\" reasons.\nYes it is, you can kill someone and not hate them for who they are, you can steal from someone and not hate them for who they are, to do these thing on top of the fact that there is hatred in your heart makes it worse, you're denying them being images of God."}, {"id": 14, "content": ">>12\nThe separation of the nations was a punishment unto mankind for divorcing itself from God, which is later reversed in the New Covenant, we can see this at Pentecost, where the opposite of the confusing of tongues in the Tower of Babel happens, and their tongues are once again one, and they can all understand each other, Christ came to re-unite humanity as one, as it was intended to be."}, {"id": 15, "content": ">>14\n>reversed\nActs 17:26"}, {"id": 16, "content": ">>15\nYour misinterpretation of Acts 17:26 is what I'm responding to."}, {"id": 17, "content": ">>11\n>If you are all one in Christ, racial/sexual/class disctinctions should not separate you in any way, otherwise you're rejecting being one with Christ.\nNow thats a reach holy shit"}, {"id": 18, "content": ">>16\nSorry I wasn't following your conversation\n\nHow do you figure a principle is reversed in the new covenant if it's stated post-pentecost?\nWhy do you assume people groups cannot have true unity in Christ while residing separately?"}, {"id": 19, "content": ">>17\nYou can see the same idea being reaffirmed elsewhere in Scripture:\nColossians 3:11\n>Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.\n1 Corinthians 12:13\n>For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink."}, {"id": 20, "content": ">>18\n>How do you figure a principle is reversed in the new covenant if it's stated post-pentecost?\nYou might as well reject Paul as well, going by your line of reasoning, since he comes post-Christ.\n>Why do you assume people groups cannot have true unity in Christ while residing separately?\nBecause if you're all Christians then that means you all accept a number of precepts that nullify any and all racial, sexual or class differences. Also, why would you not want to reside with your fellow Christians?"}, {"id": 21, "content": ">>19\n\nIf God (or nature) wanted us to race mix he wouldn't have separated us in the first place."}, {"id": 22, "content": ">>19\nSpiritual unity\n\nLet's recognize that this is not even a discussion of \"racism\" per se as it's pretty widely recognized that the intrusion into an indigenous people's homeland by an outside ethnic group to forcibly appropriate their land and restructure their society is a form of racism, not the leaving of them alone\n\n>>20\nYou are interpreting the opposite of what I said\nYou are arguing that the separation of the nations is done away with yet it's maintained after the covenant is inaugurated\n\n>nullify\nAre you trying to argue that sex, race and slave status actually cease to exist in Christ?"}, {"id": 23, "content": ">>21\n>If God (or nature)\nGod.\n>wanted us to race mix he wouldn't have separated us in the first place.\nThen why did Christ re-unite us?"}, {"id": 24, "content": ">>22\n>Spiritual unity\nAnd the Spiritual is irrelevant to the material?\n>Let's recognize that this is not even a discussion of \"racism\" per se as it's pretty widely recognized that the intrusion into an indigenous people's homeland by an outside ethnic group to forcibly appropriate their land and restructure their society is a form of racism, not the leaving of them alone\nAre you denouncing the spreading of the gospel, heretic?\n>You are arguing that the separation of the nations is done away with yet it's maintained after the covenant is inaugurated\nNot by Christ or any of the apostles, they're commanded to make disciples of all nations. These differences should be dismantled, not re-inforced.\n>Are you trying to argue that sex, race and slave status actually cease to exist in Christ?\nI'm saying that none of those things matter to Christ, so why should they matter to us?"}, {"id": 25, "content": ">>10\nThat is absolutely true though. Israelites did not actually conquer and genocide Canaan, they were a culture of Canaanites which emerged within Canaan."}, {"id": 26, "content": ">>24\nThis is bait. Good evening."}, {"id": 27, "content": ">>25\n>That is absolutely true though.\nNo, they were meant to take over the lands of the Canaanites and stay away from their practices, but they didn't, to the point that they became indistingushable form the Canaanites.\n>>26\nI'm dead serious."}, {"id": 28, "content": ">>25\nNew poster ITT here but I read that the Canaanites would ritually murder their children and infants to Baal, isn't that awful?"}, {"id": 29, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n\n613 commandments. Yet not a single one prohibiting slavery or protecting human rights, free trade, and individuality. Why? Instead he's too busy talking about shrimp and not mixing the wrong kinds of fabrics and how many times to shake a branch sprinkled with pigeon blood on a stone altar."}, {"id": 30, "content": ">>3\nRetard. Men and women are indeed one in Christ as, at the most fundamental level, they are perfectly printed images of God. But on a less fundamental level we are human beings with specific roles to play and the sexes are *not* equal. That is equally true for races and the distinction between castes that the verse also alludes to."}, {"id": 31, "content": ">>29\n>free trade\nfucking lmao"}, {"id": 32, "content": ">>29\nGod of the Bible is a mixed bag, and to be fair humans are kind of a eusocial species. We are, in a way, almost like ants."}, {"id": 33, "content": ">>28\nSo did Israelites, and about every group in the Levant. The Bible contains the justification for child sacrifice:\n\nExodus 13, immediately after plague of the first born\n>Then the Lord said to Moses, 2 “Dedicate to me every firstborn among the Israelites. The first offspring to be born, of both humans and animals, belongs to me.”\n\nBecause God killed the first born of Egypt and freed Israel, Israel must give the firstborn of both men and livestock to Yahweh.\nNow Exodus later has a clarification to say not to kill the first born of humans, but to instead donate to the temple to symbolically replace the son.\n\nBut this is probably a later tradition that replaced the earlier practice of child sacrifice.\nIt's probably the case that they did not actually sacrifice every firstborn, but that the first born was just \"claimed\" by the god. If there was a severe crisis like a famine, plague, siege, they would offer their first born so that the god would save them. Kill one for the good of the community."}, {"id": 34, "content": ">>33\nIs that based or cringe?"}, {"id": 35, "content": ">>29\nGod works in mysterious ways. Maybe He acknowledged stuff like trans rights were too ahead of the times and deliberately left their discovery to later prophets."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why white americans were so evil?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nAll Americans are evil."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nObvious bait post KYS."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFor believing women? For taking a stand against rape culture? I think not."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nKek"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nYes, fuck them\nGender solidarity should come before not after race solidarity"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why did the Germans became Nazis in the 20th cenutry?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "it seemed like something to do."}, {"id": 3, "content": "they were unhappy with jewish influence in germany and the treaty of versailles"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nLogical conclusion to Schopenhauer and Nietzsche's philosophy.\n\nModern Germany right now is as Freud would say, ego separated. Living a lie so to speak."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>4\nExplain"}, {"id": 6, "content": "afaik it was mostly because they had sensible economic policies while not wanting to bring about the socialist world revolution(under russia btw). It's actually very unclear if anyone at all even Hitler himself cared about this \"blonde race\" stuff."}, {"id": 7, "content": "Europe's Interwar Period was marked by serious national security concerns thrown up by the presence of (supposedly) subversive minority groups. Europe had been divided by identity politics during the Thirty Years War of the 17th century, and so was not new to the concept of subversion and threat from within. However, the new nation-based paradigm of the post-Versailles settlement made the perceived threat posed by 'outsiders' particularly acute. The losing powers felt that their tolerance of minorities had led to the disastrous loss of their territories at Versailles - most famously, virtually every district of Hungary which contained minorities was carved off and given to other countries. The victorious powers feared for their new territories, as they contained minorities who might seek national reunification with their own ethnic homeland - most egregiously, more than a third of Romanian and Polish territory contained such large minorities that their ownership of those territories was barely justified and very much constituted the spoils of victory.\n\nThroughout central-eastern Europe, the aftermath of World War One made Racism and fear of Socialism mainstream. The liberal \"centrists\" all but disappeared in the face of pressure from the revolutionary left and the justifiably paranoid right. More specifically, the inter-war period saw the rise of a new kind of anti-Semitism which was explicitly tied to racism and Socialism. Imperial Germany had treated Jews reasonably well and the Habsburgs' Austro-Hungarian Empire had treated their Jews better than anyone, but by the early 1930s anti-Semitism was part of mainstream political discourse in Germany, Austria, and Hungary and was a significant fringe element in Czechoslovak politics."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>7\n\nBefore the events of World War One, there was nothing particularly remarkable about German eugenics, racism, or anti-Semitism. In each field she was soundly outstripped by a host of more radical countries, ranging from Sweden (eugenics) to the USA (eugenics, racism) to Romania (racism, anti-Semitism). The war changed all this.\n\nThe racially degenerative or 'dysgenic' effect of the war renewed interest in eugenics internationally. However, of all the combatant countries Germany had been the only one to allow the loss of worse-than-useless citizens. Despite imposing a lethally low official ration upon the German-occupied territories of the Russian Empire and regularly stripping those areas of grain to feed her national homeland, Germany was ultimately unable to provide an official ration generous enough to ensure the long-term survival of her own citizens. By early 1918 the nutritional value of the official ration for citizens of the Kingdom of Poland (a puppet-state controlled by the German Army) had fallen to just 800 kilo-calories per day (of the 2000 required for long-term survival), but the official ration in Germany itself was worth just 1600 kilocalories. Half the population of Germany's asylums (for mentally ill and disabled people) died by December 1918, most of them in the war's final months. This was because none of them had recourse to the Black Market, and even families which wanted to save them by supplementing their rations had incentives to prioritise the survival of family members capable of work instead."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>8\n\nThese Nationalistic measures, under which Germany was fed through the deprivation of occupied territories, set a precedent for the treatment of occupied territories in World War II. Perhaps more importantly, they made it clear that the German people at large were willing to accept the death of \"worse-than-useless\" German citizens if it was \"necessary\" to advance national goals. Accordingly, in the mid-to-late 1930s German medical associations were encouraged to make plans for the \"euthanasia\" of \"useless eaters\" in the event of a wartime blockade which would once more place a strain upon food supply.\n\nBut of all the problems World War I created, the biggest of all was related to Nationalism and Social Darwinism. You see, when Germany lost World War I there were only two ways to go about rationalising that. Either:\n\n>Germany had tried her utmost to win and had lost anyway. This meant she was an inferior nation, destined to be dominated or even destroyed.\n\n>Germany had tried her utmost to win and would have, if she weren't cheated out of her victory. This meant she was a superior nation, destined for greatness or even ultimate survival at the expense of all others."}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>9\n\nThe latter view was relentlessly promoted by Generals Hindenburg and Ludendorff, who had seized power from the civilian government in 1917. As chiefs of the OHL (Oberste Heeres Leitung, Army High Command) they were responsible for Germany's failure to defeat the Entente Cordiale in the early 1918 Spring Offensives and Germany's defeat in the Hundred Days' Offensive of autumn 1918. As such they had very good reasons to ensure that people blamed others for Germany's defeat. Together they created the myth that the German Army 'had never been defeated in the field' (Im Feld Unbesiegt) and allowed the blaming of a number of scapegoats including the Social Democratic Party (which the OHL had allowed to surrender so they themselves wouldn't have to do it), pacifists, the disabled (\"useless eaters\" who had wasted the country's food resources), and \"the Jews\" (if you believed the more \"out there\" explanations). Hindenburg continued to be a popular and well-respected figure in German politics, and even managed to secure the presidency from 1925 until his death in 1934. This gave him a particularly powerful platform from which to continue propagating his views."}, {"id": 11, "content": ">>10\n\nThe war and its aftermath also resulted in a direct association of socialists and communists, the mentally ill and disabled, non-\"white\" races, and Jews with Germany's defeat and the establishment of the German Republic of 1918. In no particular order:\n\n>The Social Democratic Party surrendered to the Entente Cordiale and founded the Republic.\n>The Communists briefly took over Bavaria and Hungary, and had attempted to take over Austria and Germany - only being stopped by the combined efforts of the Army, police, and paramilitary groups including the Freikorps.\n>Jews had been prominent amongst said Socialist and Communist groups.\n>Jews had been granted full citizenship in the new German Republic they helped found.\n>Non-\"white\" troops had helped defeat and occupy parts of Germany. These included African Frenchmen.\n>Many of the \"best\" Germans had died in the war, and many of the \"worst\" had survived to reproduce."}, {"id": 12, "content": ">>11\nGerman and Austrian politics was radicalised to an unprecedented degree by this turn of events, though other countries continued to outstrip them (the dictatorships of Poland and Hungary were more anti-socialist and racist respectively). Racist, eugenicist, and anti-semitic views became mainstream among the political right, and even the German \"left\" subscribed to some notions of eugenics and racism. All the worst fears of Germany's xenophobic paranoiacs seemed to come true at once as their racial inferiors colluded with the Dirty Commies and the Jews to oppress, pollute, sicken, and weaken Germany. In their minds Germany was terminally ill, not least because of the Great Depression (\"caused by Jews, bankers, and Jew-bankers\") of 1929-33... and it needed a Doctor.Not at all coincidentally, the NSDA Party soon became the political first choice of practicing medical doctors. MDs were the best-represented \"professionals\" among the Nazis' supporters, consistently outnumbering lawyers among the Party, SA, and SS membership by a ratio of up to 2:1. Half of all MDs were party members and one fifth were SS members by 1939.\n\nFinally, on a personal/personnel note, about half the leadership of revanchist parties dedicated to reclaiming lost national territory in wartime/postwar Turkey (and prewar Young Turk movement), Hungary (most famously the Arrow Cross Party), Austria (chiefly the NSDAP), and Germany (chiefly NSDAP, obviously) had been born in areas which had subsequently been conquered by other countries. This revelation has fascinated psychological historians, who have fallen back on immigrant patriotism and fighting for a homeland to explain their prominence and dedication."}, {"id": 13, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nFirstly, you have to understand that 'Nazism' is an artificial Jewish propagandistic construct, with virtually nothing in common with the practices and beliefs of National Socialist Germany.\nGermany was literally a dying country in the 1920s, and therefore a group of men fanatically devoted to the health and prosperity of their people rose to power and rose to immense popularity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Imagine being beaten into unconsciousness with aclub by a man dressed in chicken pijamas, stripped down to your underwear and made to fight another man dressed with tiger pijamas, and then brought to have your heart ripped out by men who have danced so long you can smell the mixture of piss and blood.\n\nWhy does this all remind me of the burger king's kids zone"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nMost /fa/ natives aside from PNW tribes."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nGod is a retarded tranny who created this retarded fake world so that he could self-identify as \"a king\" by forcing me to live and self-identify as \"a peasant\" and by forcing me to act as the frame of reference and only persistently real person in the world so that he can abuse and dominate me through temporarily manifested/animated people. Other people only exist so that God can abuse and dominate me through them and this world only exists so that he can self identify as \"a king\" or \"the boss\" by dominating and abusing me and forcing me to exist and self-identify as \"a peasant\", \"a worker\", \"a tenant\", \"a slave\", etc\n\nGod is a retarded tranny piece of shit , he possesses no positive or redeeming qualities whatsoever, he is entirely putrid and disgusting"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "If something is true, then it is the case regardless of what is thought of it, so why would belief be relevant at all?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">If god real why do i like to take BC up my ass?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "I say and look like that"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIf God no real why do I think about homosexuals so much?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do Christians routinely say, in response to pagans\n>fuck off I dont worship ancient Marvel superheroes\nbut when it comes to Jesus who supposedly walked on water, turned water into wine, resurrected himself from the dead, healed the deaf, healed the blind, calmed storms on a whim, and many more fantastical things, they´re all like\n>YES YES YES FUCKING BASED BASED BASED!\nHow the hell is Jesus and his fairy tale miracles any different to stories of Odin or Zeus doing magical things? Literally how? You can be a Christian and dislike paganism for any number of reasons, but sarcastically claiming that it´s \"ancient Marvel superhero\" stuff but Jesus´ exploits somehow aren´t is just hypocrisy of the highest order."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIt's mostly Mexican 80iq mouth breathers. They suffer if white people stop being Christian."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIts such a self own desu, admitting there's barely anything interesting about Christian mythology."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do people from mediterranean areas look sort of negroid/arab?\nthey have a very primitive quadroon appearence. Picrel north spain"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Sikhism is about to overtake the Abrahamic religions, historically speaking. Why is it so popular, historically speaking?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "imagine the smell"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nI'm glad they are turning Muzzies into pulp"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nPrajeet what are you on about. Unless sikhism is a couple million away from outbreeding judaism I don't know how sikhism could be close to surpassing abrahamism.\nAlso sikhism has never converted anyone oustide the punjab. Punjabis just have a lot of children."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This is who's calling you a wignat for being pagan"}, {"id": 2, "content": "What's a wignat?"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nWigger nationalist"}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nOkey thanks.\nWhat's a wigger?"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThat \"nigger mutt\" has far more dignity than you heathen dog"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>4\nWhite nigger."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>6\nSo it's projection?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What happened to her? I miss her so much."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nShe never gives up her dead"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nIt was the pride of the American side with a crew and good captain well seasoned. How could it have sank?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Why do chuds hate abortion but want to return society to a time where child mortality was 70%?"}, {"id": 2, "content": "It's like 97% now."}, {"id": 3, "content": "Why do buck fear everything that hurts them?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "In the morning I say the Lord's prayer. In the evening I say a prayer out of my prayerbook, the Valley of Vision. Through the day I pray as the need arises. How do you commune with our Lord, brothers?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nIn the morning I make the sign of the cross. Say the Apostles creed, the Lord’s Prayer, and Luther’s morning prayer. In the evening I make the sign of the cross. I say the apostles creed, the Lord’s Prayer, and Luther’s evening prayer."}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Germans were just being sore losers."}, {"id": 2, "content": "Not even the most fervent of pro-Allies supporters believe that Versailles was \"not that bad\""}, {"id": 3, "content": "It wasn't a serious attempt at engendering any kind of peace, it was punitive which wouldn't even be bad if this wasn't attempted by meaningless has-been nations like UK, France and random EE-shitholes who got BTFO easily and turned all of Europe into basically vassalage."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\nIt was America that made the Treaty though.\nThe Germans hated America, more than England or France, for making it.\n\n'Fourteen Points? The Good Lord only gave us Ten, and do we abide by those?'\n- Georges Clemenceau\n\n'They promised Europe a savior in 1917 and sent them a Wilson in 1919. They will repeat this great betrayal today if we do not prevent it'.\n- Joseph Goebbels"}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>2\nThey're dumb"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "What was it all for in the end?"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "Did pagans genuinely believe in their gods, or did they just use them as metaphors for natural phenomena?"}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nSome did some didn't."}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>2\nActually no. Everyone in a group thinks and acts the same way so that means it's okay to kill black people."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>1 (OP)\n>metaphors\nThey served as archetypes and metaphors primarily, but they did genuinely believe in them. Nothing wrong with that, honestly."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>it's okay to kill black people.\nBlacks don't seem to have a problem with indiscriminate killing"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>2\nThis, paganism is inherently orthoprax, not orthodox"}, {"id": 7, "content": "they believed they were natural phenomena."}, {"id": 8, "content": "They believed in both. Mythology was a tool to understand the universe. Despite it´s allegorical nature, they still wholly believed in Gods and their activity."}], [{"id": 1, "content": ">go to /pol/\n>get called a nigger kike\n>go to /his/\n>get called a nigger kike, a capitalist pig and a mayocuck\nIt's another productive day as a libertarian."}, {"id": 2, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nThis is me"}, {"id": 3, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nDo people actually think any other form of government can be more free than Democracy?\n\nWell, I suppose anarchy can be, so long as you don't get captured by a roving band of slavers."}, {"id": 4, "content": ">>3\n>Do people actually think any other form of government can be more free than just letting random people driven by their emotions dictates what we should do as a collective?\nYes."}, {"id": 5, "content": ">>3\n>more free\nThis is not a good thing; here's a \"more free\" type of government: anarchism, you like that, faggot?"}, {"id": 6, "content": ">>3\nequality among equals\nYou are not my equal."}, {"id": 7, "content": ">>3\nTheonomy."}, {"id": 8, "content": ">>4\nOk, which one?\n>>5\nI already mentioned anarchism."}, {"id": 9, "content": ">>1 (OP)\nok nigger kike, capitalist pig, mayocuck"}, {"id": 10, "content": ">>8\nDont expect that i fucking listen to you"}], [{"id": 1, "content": "This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. 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